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| 04:19.40 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze (6.0.1) released; /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
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| 04:22.42 | Rusty1 | owen1: as i head off to zz i see http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x in hopes it helps |
| 04:23.02 | wols | owen1: for the last time. you MUST use kernel 2.6.38, get the firmware from the link dpkg gave you, the filename dpkg gave you and you're done |
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| 04:23.35 | wols | and no, I won't handhold you as you always want. you got a ton of handholding so far |
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| 04:24.44 | owen1 | wols: i already have this kernel, and i already have the rtlwifi_rtl8192cfw.bin, and already tried loading the mobule. |
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| 04:25.04 | owen1 | wols: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=64140 |
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| 04:25.31 | owen1 | don't get mad. i am newb with a new laptop that dosn't work and i spend days on this. |
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| 04:25.53 | owen1 | and i bought a thinkpad only because i believed it works with debian. |
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| 04:32.00 | owen1 | wols: i am in a new tmux session now and lost the old messages from dpkg, would u mind sending them again, so i'll make sure i use the correct firmware and the filename? |
| 04:32.43 | wols | !tell owen1 about msg the bot |
| 04:33.36 | anima- | sweet, 1.9MBPS download from megaupload |
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| 04:35.01 | anima- | owen1, why dont you just try google ;) |
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| 04:36.02 | owen1 | anima-: i am googling a lot, for every term i don't understand |
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| 04:36.21 | wols | anima-: cause he doesn't (or doesn't want) to understand it. basically he wants someone to log in to his machine and do everything for him |
| 04:36.50 | anima- | wols and the ubuntu says bringing linux to the average person is a good idea ;) |
| 04:36.57 | anima- | ubuntu crowd ^ |
| 04:37.18 | wols | then he should go to use ubuntu. wait, he did! he then came here constantly and asked us for help with it |
| 04:37.39 | anima- | wols, ... XD |
| 04:38.18 | anima- | on the bright side i finally cross compiled a stripped down mips kernel on my amd64 box |
| 04:38.57 | wols | gz. what for? |
| 04:39.07 | anima- | wols, DD-WRT router |
| 04:39.23 | wols | ick :P and aren't those arm based? |
| 04:40.08 | anima- | mines a wrt610n ( mips ) |
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| 04:41.14 | anima- | now i need to figure out the rest of the DD-WRT build structure, its like they intentionally sabotaged it so noone outside of the core dev-team could build it with out 3 weeks of patching and work arounds |
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| 04:43.56 | anima- | i think what ill have to end up doing is pulling all the 610n specific build scripts and source, hacking together new build scripts then try to get a valid firmware image |
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| 04:54.22 | rue_house | where did alsaconf go? |
| 04:55.34 | rue_house | I have a vt1708 chip via intel hda, and I cant get alsa to find it |
| 04:55.38 | rue_house | HeLp! |
| 04:56.26 | nsadmin | we just talked about that... see if modprobing the driver works |
| 04:56.35 | rue_house | the driver is in |
| 04:56.41 | nsadmin | first show the appropriate line of lspci -nn |
| 04:56.50 | rue_house | snd_hda_codec 39958 1 snd_hda_codec_via |
| 04:57.14 | rue_house | 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0be9] (rev a1) |
| 04:57.22 | nsadmin | see what alsa thinks are your cards |
| 04:57.40 | nsadmin | , pciid [10de:0be9] |
| 04:57.42 | judd | [10de:0be9] is 'GF106 High Definition Audio Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0be9 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 04:57.52 | rue_house | it only knows about the cmpci I have in a pci slot |
| 04:58.00 | rue_house | !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:58.11 | nsadmin | hmm, try that :) |
| 04:58.28 | rue_house | I thougth nouveau was a ata driver? |
| 04:58.45 | rue_house | nvidiafb !? |
| 04:58.45 | nsadmin | that is possible I guess |
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| 04:59.03 | nsadmin | yeah, weird shit :) |
| 04:59.16 | rue_house | no, their on crack |
| 04:59.30 | rue_house | the snd-hda-intel is the only one that applies.. |
| 04:59.33 | nsadmin | good possibility... but worth a try |
| 04:59.52 | nsadmin | why is it "out of tree"? |
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| 05:05.00 | rue_house | google says that alsa, vt1708 and problem go togethor well... |
| 05:05.09 | owen1 | !rtl8192ce |
| 05:05.09 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI-IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) available since Linux 2.6.38, enabled in Debian Linux kernel images at linux-2.6 2.6.38-2. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin) and currently not packaged (BTS #613536), ask me about <linux-firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 05:05.09 | owen1 | ! rtl8192ce |
| 05:05.09 | owen1 | !'rtl8192ce' |
| 05:06.11 | rue_house | are you suggesting it dosn't work cause it needs firmware? |
| 05:06.29 | owen1 | rue_house: igone my message.. |
| 05:06.46 | owen1 | dpkg say 'enabled in Debian Linux kernel images at linux-2.6 2.6.38-2'. when i type uname -a i see: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 . is it the same as suggested by dpkg? |
| 05:06.46 | dpkg | 'enabled in Debian Linux kernel images at linux-2.6 2.6.38-2'. when i type uname -a i see: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 . is it the same as suggested by dpkg |
| 05:07.45 | nsadmin | deepkd doo wut u say! |
| 05:08.48 | nsadmin | dpkg say 'reepeet after mee' |
| 05:08.48 | dpkg | 'reepeet after mee' |
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| 05:14.28 | phuzion | What do I do when all of my /dev/sd* nodes are missing? |
| 05:14.38 | man_in_ltop | panic? |
| 05:14.49 | phuzion | thats the point I'm at right now |
| 05:15.04 | phuzion | but i'm hoping there's a "run this command and they should come back" suggestion out there somewhere |
| 05:15.33 | man_in_ltop | do you know how they went missing? |
| 05:16.27 | phuzion | i tried to install xen earlier. Xen's installation failed somehow. I went to uninstall it. In doing so, I think I nuked a few critical packages, and now /dev/ is missing a lot of nodes |
| 05:17.30 | jeremym | makedev |
| 05:17.34 | jeremym | man makedev |
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| 05:18.29 | wols | phuzion: reinstall udev |
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| 05:19.46 | wols | phuzion: also check what your xen adventure removed in /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 05:21.20 | owen1 | i asked dpkg about rtl8192ce and he told me to get this firmware - rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin from this site: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x. when searching for the file on this site i see it under the wheezy instructions. i use squeeze. should i ignore that fact and follow those insturctions anyway? |
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| 05:30.24 | somiaj | owen1: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Squeeze -- there was squeeze instructions on that page |
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| 05:34.42 | phuzion | what's the easiest way to have aptitude or some other automated process just flat out replace the kernel? |
| 05:34.57 | phuzion | with the latest known good version from packages |
| 05:35.00 | wols | phuzion: dpkg -i <new kernel package> |
| 05:35.12 | phuzion | where does debian keep the kernel packages? |
| 05:35.21 | wols | for aptitude: aptitude install linux-image-2.6 |
| 05:35.45 | wols | apt keeps its downloaded packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:36.09 | phuzion | could I do aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6? |
| 05:36.13 | wols | no |
| 05:36.29 | wols | there is no "reinstall" commandline option in aptitude |
| 05:37.54 | phuzion | ok, so I do aptitude install linux-image-2.6 |
| 05:38.02 | phuzion | and it basically says nothing to do |
| 05:38.16 | wols | somiaj: no there aren't. this wiki page is for a gazillion different reltek chips and none written up there is his. he cannot solve his problem with squeeze only. but he's been told that. LOTS of times. and he has been pointed to the proper things to do equally often |
| 05:38.23 | phuzion | specifically: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 05:38.23 | anima- | gah why the hell would the dd-wrt dev-team include a known buggy / unbuildable openssl build |
| 05:38.29 | wols | phuzion: that's why you already have it installed. I told you to use dpkg |
| 05:39.01 | phuzion | wols: the version in the cache directory isn't the kernel I want. |
| 05:39.02 | owen1 | somiaj: true, but they don't mention rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin |
| 05:39.07 | phuzion | it's still the xen kernel in there. |
| 05:39.10 | wols | phuzion: then download the one you want |
| 05:39.26 | wols | or aptitude install <exactl kernel phuzion wants" |
| 05:39.44 | phuzion | where do I pull the deb file? |
| 05:40.06 | wols | phuzion: apt-cache search linux-image |less have fun choosing. or packages.debian.org |
| 05:41.42 | owen1 | somiaj: all the i see under squeeze is to install firmware-realtek wireless-tools. but nothing about the rtl8192cfw.bin file. |
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| 06:07.06 | owen1 | i think i mad some progress. i followed the instructions for wheezy since that's where they mentioned the file dpkg told me about. |
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| 06:08.28 | v_v | when will wheezy become stable |
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| 06:11.38 | Wyzard | v_v: Not for at least a year, maybe two |
| 06:11.53 | v_v | Wyzard: oh thankyou. |
| 06:11.56 | jmcantrell | i'm an ubuntu user looking to jump to debian. anything i should be aware of? is the install pretty easy? |
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| 06:12.36 | Wyzard | v_v: squeeze was released just a few months ago |
| 06:13.05 | v_v | Wyzard: yes. it's squeeze on my box |
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| 06:14.10 | v_v | lots of softwares get more and more often to update, so sometimes i want something new |
| 06:14.43 | v_v | jmcantrell: debian is much easier than ubuntu in my opinion |
| 06:15.51 | jmcantrell | v_v, good to know. squeeze didn't get gnome 3, right? is that expected at some point? |
| 06:16.05 | Jymmm | Those that live on the bleeding edge are sure to get cut |
| 06:16.29 | v_v | jmcantrell: gnome3 seems great. but im playing with awesome |
| 06:17.17 | v_v | jmcantrell: beautiful gui eats too much memory and cpu |
| 06:18.00 | Wyzard | jmcantrell: It'll presumably be in wheezy, but it's not in squeeze |
| 06:18.03 | owen1 | jmcantrell: i just jumped to debian from ubuntu. pretty much the same. some apps migth be a bit older if u use stable. |
| 06:19.56 | jmcantrell | what about installing proprietary drivers for nvidia. how is that done in debian? |
| 06:20.13 | Wyzard | !tell jmcantrell about nvidia |
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| 06:37.11 | owen1 | ! wicd |
| 06:37.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wicd is Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <bdo>. See also <netdev>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 06:37.26 | voltagex | is there any way to do boot logging with a machine that does not have a serial or parallel port? |
| 06:38.40 | wols | !bootlog |
| 06:38.41 | dpkg | bootlogd is probably disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 06:41.15 | voltagex | wols: this machine in particular doesn't make it to Login: ;) |
| 06:42.24 | voltagex | wols: network comes up, starts showing boot messages, then the screen goes blank and network stops responding |
| 06:43.12 | wols | maybe a usb device? since it comes up, the kernel should be able to deal with it |
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| 06:43.34 | voltagex | wols: it needs to be something I can pass as a kernel parameter |
| 06:43.41 | wols | and since it's not headless, boot to a shell only |
| 06:43.53 | Wyzard | voltagex: You can get USB serial ports, though I don't know whether they can be used as a serial console |
| 06:44.02 | wols | a serial usb device you can pass to the kernel. same for my shell suggestion |
| 06:44.11 | voltagex | wols: what do you mean boot to a shell only? |
| 06:44.21 | wols | Wyzard: probably not from grub onwards, but since he has a working kernel, it should be ok |
| 06:44.29 | wols | init=/bin/bash that |
| 06:44.36 | voltagex | oh |
| 06:44.37 | voltagex | right |
| 06:44.41 | voltagex | brb trying that |
| 06:45.06 | Wyzard | I have one, actually -- I should try it sometime |
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| 06:53.38 | voltagex | ok so init=/bin/bash works |
| 06:54.02 | voltagex | where to from there? |
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| 06:54.22 | wols | I told you about bootlog. to enable it and then later, check it |
| 06:54.31 | wols | also you can normall check runlevels, etc |
| 06:54.47 | wols | rather: change runlevels |
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| 06:57.05 | voltagex | wols: ok |
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| 07:05.53 | voltagex | wols: it must crash before bootlogging starts as boot.log is empty but the last lines in kern.log is fuse exit and kernel logging stopped |
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| 07:10.00 | aarjona | hello, I just installed arno-iptables-firewall on squeeze and I'm getting an error message that I haven't been able to find about on google yet |
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| 07:11.33 | aarjona | basically it complains about the ip_tables module not being installed, assumes compiled in (which it is) |
| 07:12.17 | wols | voltagex: bootlog is always empty/non existent unless you enable it |
| 07:12.20 | cahoot | error or just informative? |
| 07:12.21 | aarjona | looks for more iptables related modules and then fails a lot with /sbin/iptables: (1) iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
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| 07:13.06 | wols | aarjona: it's always a good idea to pastebin the exact output |
| 07:13.19 | wols | and always start from the first error |
| 07:15.23 | voltagex | wols: I did as you suggested and enabled it |
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| 07:16.42 | aarjona | wols: here it is http://paste.debian.net/116995/ |
| 07:16.59 | voltagex | wols: sorry, operator error - trying again |
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| 07:17.18 | dutchfish | aarjona, this might be due to restricted access to /sbin/iptables (only root) |
| 07:18.04 | dutchfish | aarjona, what user is that arno-iptables-firewall running? |
| 07:18.22 | wols | aarjona: warnings are not errors. as for the actual errors with missing chains and such: check the exact command which causes it |
| 07:18.32 | wols | dutchfish: he uses sudo |
| 07:19.21 | aarjona | meh apparently the hosting folks didn't include a few modules in the kernel |
| 07:19.40 | aarjona | found a post on their forums about it |
| 07:19.53 | aarjona | thanks for the help |
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| 07:35.16 | fcn | i had an error during dist-upgrade from squeeze to sid. output here: http://paste.debian.net/plain/116998 how can i continue upgrade? |
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| 07:37.29 | pozic | My scanner outputs for no reason at all only images of 300x400 pixels (smaller than the paper format which is in it). Unless my scanner broke in the past minute this is likely a software problem in xsane. Any ideas? |
| 07:37.33 | wols | fcn: manually install the missing dependencies |
| 07:37.53 | wols | pozic: what did you change since it worked last? |
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| 07:38.20 | pozic | wols: I started another xsane instance at the same time. |
| 07:38.41 | pozic | wols: that is the only 'dangerous' thing I can think of, but a good program should not have any issues with that. |
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| 07:39.14 | pozic | wols: is there no setting in xsane which tells the scanner 'only scan this area'? |
| 07:39.17 | wols | thinks he should own more pink ponies. cause ponies are good |
| 07:39.32 | pozic | wols: yes, ponies definitely rock. |
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| 07:41.43 | ompaul | pozic: depending on the version look for the kde scanner handling tool unless it has to be command line it is very useful |
| 07:42.35 | ompaul | pozic: when the company put in modern photocopiers a couple of years ago my interest in remembering went - now they have scan to pdf and that "suits me fine" |
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| 07:44.25 | pozic | It would be nice to have a way to mark a package as 'sucking' such that you never ever see it again in the Synaptic/aptitude list. |
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| 07:45.27 | ompaul | pozic: and if it got upgraded and fixed you might be happier ;-) |
| 07:45.53 | pozic | ompaul: nah, I think one release which crashes at boot is enough reason to forget about a program. |
| 07:46.08 | pozic | ompaul: it just means the developers do not value my time. |
| 07:46.29 | cahoot | oh dear |
| 07:47.04 | pozic | eikazo crashes, flegita crashes |
| 07:47.21 | pozic | Do I really have to try all of them before it works? |
| 07:47.33 | ompaul | pozic: I told you to try the kde on |
| 07:47.37 | cahoot | you speak of debian stable? |
| 07:47.39 | ompaul | s/on/one/ |
| 07:48.03 | pozic | cahoot: there is no reason to upload something into unstable if it doesn't work. |
| 07:48.15 | ompaul | !unstable |
| 07:48.15 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Only on-topic in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 07:48.23 | cahoot | does your answer imply you run unstable? |
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| 07:48.54 | ompaul | pozic: I run a mix of unstable and experimental as my main desktop - but I would never pass judgement on things like that |
| 07:49.10 | voltagex | Even wtih bootlogd enabled I get no output. Has anyone used netconsole logging? |
| 07:49.11 | pozic | cahoot: yes |
| 07:49.11 | ompaul | pozic: in the office all things for others are on stable |
| 07:49.21 | ompaul | and there is a reason for that |
| 07:49.37 | nsadmin | pozic, unstable is not intended for real work. |
| 07:49.40 | pozic | ompaul: do they do software development? |
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| 07:49.47 | wols | what part of the designation "unstable" is so hard to understand? |
| 07:49.53 | cahoot | pozic: as I understand it running unstable infers an obligation to report bugs - no? |
| 07:49.58 | wols | I can see why "sid" is ambigous, but "unstable"? |
| 07:50.31 | wols | cahoot: heck, it infers an obligation to FIX them. or at least never ever complain about when sid sets your cat on fire and insults your spouse |
| 07:50.31 | pozic | cahoot: I reported tons of bugs. |
| 07:50.34 | nsadmin | pozic: the developers themselves say the software is not considered ready for use, and you're using it |
| 07:51.14 | cahoot | pozic: I think you're pissing into the wind here |
| 07:51.37 | wols | voltagex: I'm guessing runlevel 2 is started up when your machine craps out? are you running a display manager? |
| 07:51.41 | pozic | I heard there were ways to use chroots to have unstable compilers and libraries in a development environment. I would use that if it was documented. |
| 07:51.51 | ompaul | pozic: you are getting zero channel empathy on that one |
| 07:52.08 | wols | ompaul: he's not even in the right channel for his problem |
| 07:52.39 | ompaul | wols: I was going to say, you don't say, but you did. ;-) |
| 07:52.42 | pozic | ompaul: if everything is unstable, how is it that some programs do manage to do the same task correctly? |
| 07:52.54 | pozic | It is really just bad developers touching code. |
| 07:53.09 | pozic | They should just stay away from their keyboards. |
| 07:53.12 | voltagex | wols: X is intalled, it's on manual startup at the moment, but here's the complication - it's an NFS setup - I can boot the system on another machine just fine, including X, but not on my main desktop |
| 07:53.15 | nsadmin | luck and particular skill, and knowing what they're doing |
| 07:53.16 | ompaul | pozic: get off your horse this is a channel for supporting stable |
| 07:53.22 | wols | pozic: you REALLY need to learn how programs work and what unstable is. but you're getting more and more OT. please go to #debian-next as dpkg told you. thank you |
| 07:53.53 | wols | voltagex: anything else that meddles with the graphics mode? framebuffer maybe? |
| 07:53.54 | nsadmin | when did #debian-next happen? |
| 07:54.11 | wols | nsadmin: part of the growing ubuntufication |
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| 07:54.12 | ompaul | nsadmin: about two weeks ago |
| 07:54.16 | voltagex | wols: it quite possibly is the switch to framebuffer console that kills it - is there a way to disable that? |
| 07:54.23 | wols | !nofb |
| 07:54.23 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 07:54.35 | voltagex | aha |
| 07:54.39 | RichiH | i need a minimal http & https proxy which i can run in user space -- suggestions? |
| 07:54.49 | nsadmin | wols: you must be joking... ubuntufy? |
| 07:55.00 | pozic | wols: dpkg told me nothing. |
| 07:55.12 | pozic | wols: but fine. |
| 07:55.20 | ompaul | pozic: so #debian-next on oftc |
| 07:55.30 | wols | nsadmin: #ubuntu-next has been there for ages, for this prupose:troubles with "next" version of ubuntu, aka ubuntu unstable of sorts |
| 07:55.39 | wols | !tell pozic about sid |
| 07:55.46 | wols | pozic: now it definitely did |
| 07:56.03 | ompaul | wols: no that is called #ubuntu+1 |
| 07:56.13 | nsadmin | yes, I'm aware of that part (that ubuntu/canonical chose to separate) |
| 07:56.18 | wols | RichiH: tinyproxy. it runs on fritzboxes for example (8MB/32MB) |
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| 07:56.55 | voltagex | NFS/TFTP boot is very cool though. |
| 07:57.18 | wols | voltagex: but apparently hard to get working :P |
| 07:57.25 | ompaul | RichiH: large objects being cached won't happen unless you do the squid which is only as big as you let it get - unless you are under real duress for space |
| 07:57.36 | Hyphenex | Howdy. I keep getting a local inet6 address allocated fe80::.. (the autoconf address as I understand it?) Basically, I've got a /64 and don't want that. Can I stop my debian boxes from automatically giving themselves one? |
| 07:57.51 | voltagex | wols: I can boot my laptop and VMs from it, and I |
| 07:57.57 | wols | Hyphenex: don't let them use dhcp? |
| 07:58.06 | nsadmin | wols, but when you say ubuntufy, you're not feeling the change? |
| 07:58.08 | Hyphenex | wols: ipv6 doesn't use dhcp |
| 07:58.15 | voltagex | wols: I've successfully run d-i from it too. |
| 07:58.22 | pozic | In the commercial world there is a manager at some point who says whether a certain feature is included or not. In Debian it seems that everything is shipped if it at least compiled once or someone cared to package it. Why don't you just say 'no' more to packages that people want to include? |
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| 07:58.25 | voltagex | Hyphenex: DHCPv6 |
| 07:58.45 | pozic | The kde program skanlite works great, btw. |
| 07:58.49 | Hyphenex | voltagex: I don't believe I'm running DHCPv6 |
| 07:58.53 | wols | everytime pozic talks, he shows more of his ignorance. and more offtopicness |
| 07:59.04 | voltagex | Hyphenex: then it will be link-local addresses AFAIK |
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| 07:59.14 | ompaul | pozic: read this http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
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| 07:59.30 | Hyphenex | yep, but the problem is that I don't want my routes to be on the local link. won't this break things? |
| 07:59.49 | Bushmills | pozic: you're aware of the differences between stable, testing, unstable and experimental? |
| 07:59.57 | pozic | wols: I have enough experience with Debian to know that the average software quality stinks. The top 10% is good, though. |
| 07:59.58 | voltagex | Hyphenex: routes to be on the local link? what do you mean? |
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| 08:00.11 | pozic | Bushmills: that has nothing to do with it. Plenty of software in Stable also stinks. |
| 08:00.16 | voltagex | pozic: which particular packages? |
| 08:00.17 | wols | pozic: as your talk in here proves, you don't know shit about debian |
| 08:00.18 | RichiH | wols: i will give it a spin, thanks |
| 08:00.24 | voltagex | pozic: and have you filed bug reports? |
| 08:00.27 | RichiH | ompaul: my needs are minimal |
| 08:00.33 | ompaul | RichiH: good :) |
| 08:00.35 | pozic | voltagex: more than you did. |
| 08:00.47 | Bushmills | pozic:it's up to the individual user to make up his mind what he considered unfit for his own use |
| 08:00.49 | wols | !sunday |
| 08:00.49 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 08:01.01 | voltagex | pozic: I'm sure, could you point me to one of your unresolved reports? |
| 08:01.04 | ompaul | wols: well spotted |
| 08:01.30 | Bushmills | pozic: it is your privilege to consider all software in stable unsuitable for your use. opinions of other people may differ, of course |
| 08:01.53 | voltagex | Bushmills: in that case, he can use oldstable ;) |
| 08:02.04 | voltagex | Stable-r than stable. |
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| 08:03.06 | nsadmin | is there a #debian-next here? or only one place |
| 08:03.07 | nsadmin | ? |
| 08:03.14 | ompaul | only in one place |
| 08:03.20 | Bushmills | voltagex: there's also the possibility to improve things, if what as been provided isn't considered good enough |
| 08:03.24 | pozic | voltagex: I just searched for some of my bugs and the top 5 via search engine basically have not been resolved. |
| 08:03.34 | pozic | voltagex: about 30% of my issues have been resolved. |
| 08:03.40 | ompaul | nsadmin: and no it ain't going to be on freenode any time soon |
| 08:03.49 | ompaul | aiui |
| 08:03.59 | nsadmin | then how would its existance apply on this net? |
| 08:04.15 | ompaul | pozic: ever think about using a shrink for the other ones? ;-) |
| 08:04.31 | pozic | ompaul: my immediate problem has already been resolved. |
| 08:04.37 | pozic | ompaul: pay attention ;) |
| 08:04.44 | wols | I'd have suggested a compiler, but maybe the shrink knows his C? |
| 08:04.48 | ompaul | I saw you getting the attention alright |
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| 08:05.35 | nsadmin | pozic: you didn't provide an actual bug reference, which is what was requested |
| 08:05.36 | Bushmills | (10:05:15) ompaul: please tell me to "stop feeding the trolls" |
| 08:05.45 | ompaul | thanks |
| 08:05.58 | pozic | nsadmin: there is no point in doing that. |
| 08:06.09 | cahoot | credibilty? |
| 08:06.10 | voltagex | yeah, google tells me pozic has been around for a while |
| 08:06.14 | nsadmin | then you are not backing up what you say with proof |
| 08:06.51 | pozic | Unless voltagex puts in ink he is going to fix an arbitrary bug I select, there is really no point at all. |
| 08:07.05 | voltagex | pozic: no what I'm going to do is analyse your report |
| 08:07.19 | voltagex | pozic: all google shows me right now is you complaining in IRC logs for years. |
| 08:07.26 | nsadmin | you're not even so much as divulging the topic of any bugs |
| 08:07.29 | RichiH | wols: according to the manpage, access control happens via source IP. while there is an option to allow Anonymous, there does not seem to be a way to specify username & password? |
| 08:07.38 | nsadmin | I don't think you filed anything |
| 08:08.10 | pozic | nsadmin: you can pay me $10000 per reported bug. OK? |
| 08:08.25 | voltagex | pozic: we're done here. |
| 08:08.32 | pozic | nsadmin: er make that euros. The dollar isn't worth anything. |
| 08:08.34 | nsadmin | you can still be considered unreliable... ok |
| 08:08.40 | wols | RichiH: sorry, never used it myself. just knows it's part of custom home router distros which means it must be small. which is what you asked for. can't you do something like a ssh tunnel for access control? |
| 08:08.49 | nsadmin | you're at least right about that |
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| 08:11.10 | pozic | Anyway, bad developer builds software, user uses software and reports bugs, user complains after nobody fixes the bugs, Debian community whines whether 'I reported any bugs', then I say I did and provide statistics (these issues are not CLOSED or WILLNOTFIX or whatever), then the Debian community labels me a troll, while statistically speaking I contributed more. What are you? On crack? |
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| 08:11.35 | nsadmin | pozic: 1, there might appear ameros... 2, they're all fiat, try precious metals |
| 08:12.06 | pozic | nsadmin: I will take my chances for a few days. |
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| 08:12.51 | nsadmin | this needs to stop now. either support your claim or stop discussing bugs |
| 08:13.17 | voltagex | nsadmin: I've just looked through far too many irc logs - many many complaints but no bugs. |
| 08:13.56 | nsadmin | voltagex, so you're saying there's no support for his claim among the irc conversation? |
| 08:14.08 | pozic | voltagex: 10000$, remember? |
| 08:14.17 | pozic | voltagex: really put up, or shut up. |
| 08:14.26 | ompaul | pozic: NO YOU |
| 08:14.45 | nsadmin | !ops pozic troll |
| 08:14.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: pozic troll |
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| 08:15.17 | nsadmin | (yes, I know some of you are already seeing this) |
| 08:15.31 | pozic | People don't like arguing with me, because I am right. |
| 08:15.47 | voltagex | nsadmin: in >=2 years of irc logs. Also I'm now interested in statistical analysis of #debian ;) |
| 08:15.48 | Bushmills | you could have fixed two bugs in unstable by now |
| 08:15.52 | ompaul | pozic: you have picked a straw man to sit upon, I award you the /ignore |
| 08:16.03 | voltagex | ompaul: I agree. |
| 08:16.06 | pozic | You could just end it by saying that Debian indeed is buggy as hell. |
| 08:16.07 | ompaul | exhales |
| 08:16.10 | streuner_ | wonders who should be awake according to nsadmin... |
| 08:16.17 | streuner_ | at this time... |
| 08:16.33 | wols | ..on a sunday |
| 08:16.35 | Bushmills | pozic: yes. unstable *is* buggy as hell. everybody except you knows that |
| 08:16.40 | voltagex | streuner_: it's quite a reasonable time - depending on timezone. |
| 08:16.43 | streuner_ | true too |
| 08:16.43 | nsadmin | streuner_, no idea |
| 08:16.55 | Bushmills | oh. actually, you know that too, you just said so |
| 08:16.56 | pozic | Bushmills: Stable still has the same issues. |
| 08:16.59 | Bushmills | so, we all agree. |
| 08:17.06 | voltagex | streuner_: how many years have you been in #debian ? |
| 08:17.11 | nsadmin | if you're in a reasonable timezone, it might be a reasonable time3 |
| 08:17.11 | streuner_ | nsadmin: only germans and for them just look what wols told us... (sunday...) |
| 08:17.20 | simonlnu | checks ignore log |
| 08:17.22 | ompaul | streuner_: ehh, no |
| 08:17.26 | voltagex | Bushmills: my blood pressure dropped after a strategic /ignore |
| 08:17.36 | streuner_ | voltagex: since '99 |
| 08:17.54 | ompaul | streuner_: there are places to the west of .de where at least one person is awake and on irc |
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| 08:18.12 | Bushmills | i can enjoy that. good to see some people have different opinions i'm glad about that i don't see the world from such a problematic angle as they seem to do. |
| 08:18.15 | ompaul | streuner_: and they use the euro ;-) |
| 08:18.17 | voltagex | streuner_: thought so, I've been bouncing around here since ~6 years ago. There's probably an ascerbic comment about me in one of the bots after I was an idiot many years ago |
| 08:18.22 | streuner_ | ompaul: its in US early morning.... |
| 08:18.26 | voltagex | streuner_: I'm not sure how you've put up with it for this long ;) |
| 08:18.35 | streuner_ | ompaul: well, look what wols told us :-) |
| 08:19.13 | voltagex | streuner_: are there logs of this channel back that far? |
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| 08:19.18 | wols | ompaul: mornings (UTC) have always been the best time to troll debian. I've seen crapflooders in mornings which went on of hours |
| 08:19.19 | zhxk | how can i run kvm from ssh connected debian? |
| 08:19.31 | streuner_ | ompaul: usually somebody who is involved in IT and lives in germany sleep on sundays long... |
| 08:19.38 | wols | s/of/for/ |
| 08:19.56 | ompaul | streuner_: I'm aware of some people from .de being here now and at at least one from .ie |
| 08:20.32 | voltagex | ompaul: if I have a hostmask, can you still see where I'm from? |
| 08:20.37 | zhxk | how can i run kvm from ssh connected linux? how can i run kvm from cli? |
| 08:20.41 | simonlnu | even in occupied mohawk territory |
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| 08:20.59 | ompaul | voltagex: no, but I'd guess .au :) |
| 08:21.10 | voltagex | ompaul: good guess |
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| 08:21.25 | simonlnu | idoru killed off someone accidentally |
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| 08:21.35 | nsadmin | happened to me once |
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| 08:22.03 | voltagex | ~voltagex@54.cust23.nsw.dsl.ozemail.com.au <-- now that was a long time ago. |
| 08:22.11 | ompaul | na |
| 08:22.23 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.19 | voltagex | ompaul: speaking of a long time ago, I wonder who I pissed off? http://ircbots.debian.net/search.php?q=voltagex&term=author |
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| 08:24.20 | ompaul | voltagex: that looks like the inverse of pissed off |
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| 08:24.58 | moele | any idea how to get eyefinity to work on Debian |
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| 08:25.22 | streuner_ | judd, versions eyefinity |
| 08:25.23 | simonlnu | you type eyefinity in a terminal |
| 08:25.24 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'eyefinity' was found in i386. |
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| 08:26.13 | moele | lol |
| 08:26.31 | moele | so im guessing it isnt curently supported |
| 08:26.44 | simonlnu | it's not in debian, so no |
| 08:26.51 | wols | moele: check amd.com or such if fglrx supports it |
| 08:27.03 | moele | it doesnt |
| 08:27.03 | wols | the free drivers certainly don't |
| 08:27.08 | moele | according to the website |
| 08:27.09 | wols | then you are SOL |
| 08:27.17 | moele | what about stretching displays |
| 08:27.24 | moele | so i can watch a movie that spans the two screens? |
| 08:27.25 | moele | as an alternative? |
| 08:28.29 | voltagex | wols: turns out, even with framebuffer disabled my problem machine still dies |
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| 08:32.20 | wols | voltagex: does it reach init or does it die in initramfs? |
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| 08:34.16 | moele | gah 1080p looks so damn nice |
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| 08:35.09 | voltagex | wols: reaches init as far as I can tell - it's loading things over NFS |
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| 08:35.28 | voltagex | wols: the good news is, netconsole.ko exists in that initramfs, so I'll try that in a while. |
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| 09:01.32 | RichiH | wols: i am tunneling through ssh atm |
| 09:01.44 | RichiH | but when the 24 hour disconnect hits me, i need to reconnect manually |
| 09:01.48 | RichiH | which i want to avoid |
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| 09:03.55 | wols | RichiH: http://paste.debian.net/117004/ and automatic key based login to remote host |
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| 09:09.19 | bsdnux | i have a single hardware raid1 disk with 2 partitions and need to access it's data without the original controller. is there a way to find out the partition offsets? |
| 09:09.48 | bsdnux | kpartx gives me llseek errors |
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| 09:11.04 | wols | bsdnux: did you use software raid or fake raid? |
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| 09:11.54 | bsdnux | hardware raid, which might be fake raid.. |
| 09:12.23 | MeglaW | bsdnux: find out more on how that chipset did its raid thing |
| 09:12.30 | MeglaW | what did it, mobo? pci card? |
| 09:12.58 | bsdnux | is there no way to scan the raw disk for a filesystem start or something like that? |
| 09:13.25 | bsdnux | hm, testdisk maybe... |
| 09:13.40 | joltcan | bsdnux: fdisk -l? |
| 09:13.53 | gnarface | dd will dump the raw disk ... |
| 09:14.05 | gnarface | gotta know what a filesystem looks like though for that to be of any use |
| 09:14.07 | wols | joltcan: the start of the partition and the start of the filesystem need not be the same |
| 09:14.32 | bsdnux | fdisk doesn't like the disk... doesn't show anything |
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| 09:14.40 | bsdnux | unable to read that is |
| 09:15.17 | joltcan | There is one, I just don't remember the name right now... |
| 09:15.43 | wols | bsdnux: dd however works? |
| 09:16.32 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 09:16.35 | rypervenche | How can I record what I hear on Debian? How can I find which hw it would be? |
| 09:16.39 | bsdnux | hm no... not even dd works, might be some other issue then. |
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| 09:17.20 | nvz | is there a way to fool a program into thinking I run a differnt kernel? I am trying to use dropbox and its installing the damn 64bit daemon cause it sees I have a 64bit kernel... but I have a 32bit userland! |
| 09:17.20 | Bartzy|work | I'm experiencing very high amounts of mDNS packets flooding my LAN (work) network, bringing it to it knees... Anyone knows where those packets can originate ? |
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| 09:17.48 | nvz | I'd rather not have to install and boot a 32bit kernel just to get the right file from dropbox |
| 09:17.49 | wols | bsdnux: the disk is probably fried |
| 09:18.07 | bsdnux | guess so... :/ |
| 09:18.28 | joltcan | bsdnux: have you had a look at http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Partition-Rescue.html |
| 09:18.59 | wols | Bartzy|work: https://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx just click on "Linux" at http://dropbox.com |
| 09:19.02 | joltcan | http://www.brzitwa.de/mb/gpart/#help |
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| 09:19.21 | bsdnux | gpart looks interesting |
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| 09:19.37 | wols | Bartzy|work: avahi? |
| 09:20.00 | wols | doh. nvz https://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx just click on "Linux" at http://dropbox.com |
| 09:20.36 | nvz | wols: uh.. you seriously think I'm that stupid? |
| 09:20.58 | wols | do you expect me to answer honestly? |
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| 09:21.01 | nvz | wols: I already downloaded and installed it.. the thing downloads a daemon when you first run it |
| 09:21.19 | nvz | wols: it does all that on its own, and gets the wrong daemon cause it thinks I'm on 64bit and I'm not |
| 09:21.42 | nvz | wols: only my kernel and my hardware is 64bit, my userland is not |
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| 09:22.27 | nvz | /home/nvz/.dropbox-dist/dropbox: ERROR: cannot open `/home/nvz/.dropbox-dist/dropbox' (No such file or directory) |
| 09:22.33 | nvz | blah |
| 09:22.49 | nvz | blahdropbox: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 09:23.09 | wols | nvz: it's a python scropt. just edit it |
| 09:23.13 | nvz | I forgot I am running irssi on a remote machine.. heh |
| 09:23.41 | nvz | figures out where it even is to edit it.. which which is which.. |
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| 09:24.30 | jelly-home | nvz: report a bug? boot a 32bit kernel? |
| 09:24.50 | nvz | jelly-home: I already thought of the booting a 32bit kernel.. but thats kinda a pita.. heh |
| 09:25.24 | jelly-home | could have already done it, installed and boot back |
| 09:25.43 | pozic | nvz: dropbox is low-quality software. I had to work around 3 bugs to make it semi-work. |
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| 09:26.03 | pozic | nvz: just tell to whoever put it on dropbox to use another solution. |
| 09:26.07 | jelly-home | nvz: also: /usr/bin/linux32 |
| 09:27.02 | MeglaW | i want to use my logitech fusion (usb webcam) as somekind of monitoring device, just dump pictures into a dir, maybee script so it records a movie when motion is deteced, so i can put a script or something to ftp upload those to a off-site box for safety. been googleing a bit but im not really shure how to do it.... |
| 09:27.24 | nvz | pozic: nobody put anything anywhere.. I was going to use it myself to transfer large files |
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| 09:27.53 | pozic | nvz: I tried to transfer over one GB and it didn't work. My connection is rock solid. |
| 09:28.05 | pozic | nvz: small files do work. |
| 09:28.19 | pozic | nvz: just pick a different poison. |
| 09:28.44 | nvz | pozic: I've used it before without problems but I did it over the web rather do it right from nautilus |
| 09:28.55 | nvz | jelly-home: thats pretty f'n slick right there.. I didn't know about that |
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| 09:29.08 | pozic | nvz: I tried both options with similar results. |
| 09:29.49 | nvz | pozic: yeah well I moved the county voter files over dropbox before without problems |
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| 09:30.12 | pozic | nvz: how large is the largest file in that? |
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| 09:31.17 | nvz | pozic: its about 300mb |
| 09:32.01 | pozic | nvz: it worked upto about 400mb, IIRC for me. Perhaps if you don't have a free account it always works. I just wanted to test their robustness and they failed. |
| 09:32.10 | nvz | and whoever wrote those files is a f'n moron, but thats besides the point |
| 09:32.22 | pozic | nvz: the world is full of those. |
| 09:32.54 | nvz | yeah well thats why people send em to me when they wanna actually do something with county data.. to translate em into a usable format |
| 09:33.18 | pozic | nvz: so you are a statistician/data miner? |
| 09:33.33 | nvz | if you gotta send a f'n pdf with the shit to explain how to use it, its too f'n complicated |
| 09:34.02 | jelly-home | pozic: or just good with awk |
| 09:34.47 | pozic | jelly-home: I was referring to the reason why they sent it to him. |
| 09:35.10 | pozic | If they only want him to put the data in a different format, they should talk to whoever produced the data instead. |
| 09:35.25 | pozic | I assume they are paying those persons, so they could control that. |
| 09:35.40 | pozic | No need to solve something using programming if you can solve it on one layer above. |
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| 09:36.29 | themill | wonders what any of this has to do with #debian |
| 09:37.34 | nvz | themill: absolutely nothing... they coulda just told me /usr/bin/linux32 to begin with and left it at that |
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| 10:04.44 | flamingspinach | how does one usually reconcile APT with stuff like ruby's gems, python's easy_install / PyPi, haskell's cabal, etc.? |
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| 10:08.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | flamingspinach: one doesn't, usually. depends what you want to do exactly though |
| 10:08.39 | flamingspinach | hm. |
| 10:08.56 | flamingspinach | well, ideally, use packages from those package managers :P |
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| 10:09.11 | flamingspinach | I hear cabal has some way to turn its packages into .deb files so dpkg can at least keep track of them |
| 10:09.16 | flamingspinach | dunno about the others I mentioned though |
| 10:09.23 | wols | flamingspinach: dh-make-perl, python-stdeb, etc |
| 10:09.35 | flamingspinach | oho |
| 10:09.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | flamingspinach: if you are willing to package (even crudely) there are helpers :) |
| 10:10.07 | mrdeb | is there a fix to the hang during shut or boot up with services not shutting down |
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| 10:16.07 | voltagex | so now I've tried bootlogd, and netconsole and neither of them are capturing messages from my crashing system |
| 10:16.33 | voltagex | are there any other options for boot logging on a system with no serial port? |
| 10:18.10 | mrdeb | serial port? |
| 10:18.36 | wols | voltagex: I still don't get why you need to log |
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| 10:19.14 | zgedneil | I think the word crashing may be key there :-) |
| 10:19.26 | wols | zgedneil: no it's not |
| 10:19.40 | zgedneil | so the logging is for fun then? |
| 10:20.26 | wols | zgedneil: you seem to be here rather shortly and don't know all that voltagex has done so far |
| 10:20.58 | zgedneil | I'll work on my omniscience, thanks |
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| 10:22.16 | wols | voltagex: when you boot to a shell, then switch to runlevel 1, what happens? what when you switch to runlevel 2? |
| 10:23.00 | wols | also, your NFS setup can log on the server, you know what files are run on the crashing machine, no? so you also know what the last ones are to run/load |
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| 10:25.01 | voltagex | wols: I get a complaint about /dev/initctl not being there |
| 10:25.16 | Makuew | Hello, looking for someone to do an easy job. For more information check http://pastebin.com/mnSYy3pm . Thanks. |
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| 10:25.28 | voltagex | wols: unless there's a different command other than init 2 |
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| 10:26.26 | voltagex | wols: I was looking to log, because that's what I understand. I'm open to other tricks. |
| 10:27.17 | wols | I asked some questions, I still wait for answers. gave some "other tricks" too |
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| 10:28.00 | BW^- | can i ask a question about SSD drive characteristics? it's a bit OT but don't know where to ask |
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| 10:28.30 | ompaul | if you have to ask you might look at wikipedia |
| 10:28.32 | wols | ##hardware seems to be a good place |
| 10:29.43 | voltagex | wols: how do I switch to other runlevels from bash? /dev/initctl doesn't seem to be there |
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| 10:30.00 | voltagex | wols: I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just having trouble understanding. |
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| 10:32.36 | ompaul | Makuew: nice one, ask people to do the impossible |
| 10:33.12 | ompaul | reduce something by 900G when only 813 are free - nice |
| 10:33.58 | ompaul | what is this a new phishing technique ... |
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| 10:34.30 | voltagex | ompaul: at least he didn't ask for a Facebook clone |
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| 10:35.30 | mrdeb | has anyone done the standard cd install |
| 10:35.45 | voltagex | Makuew: if you're serious, you're better off moving the files to another machine, then repartitioning as needed |
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| 10:38.33 | wols | mrdeb: ask your reqal question. this applies both for now and the future |
| 10:38.54 | voltagex | ompaul: ah, western union is mentioned. yeah, run away] |
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| 10:39.51 | wols | voltagex: the sender is never the fraudster, only the reciver possibly |
| 10:41.03 | voltagex | wols: data mule? ;) |
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| 10:42.14 | mrdeb | wols: reqal? do you mean real |
| 10:42.22 | dym | can aptitude be using some other sources than in sources.list? |
| 10:42.25 | voltagex | wols: I now have a shell that says root@(none) |
| 10:42.37 | fahad | how can I find out how the packaged version of nginx was built ? |
| 10:42.50 | voltagex | mrdeb: if you ask a specific question, we can help you |
| 10:42.54 | babilen | dym: No, but you can add additional repositories there. What are you trying to do? |
| 10:43.05 | dym | babilen: i get odd errors on apt-get update containing "backports.org" sources, even though i did not include any backport sources. |
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| 10:43.20 | wols | dym: check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 10:43.37 | wols | fahad: get the source package and look there |
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| 10:44.28 | babilen | fahad: You are, in particular, interested in the debian/rules file in the source package. Get it (after adding a deb-src line to your sources.list) with "apt-get source nginx" |
| 10:44.45 | babilen | fahad: (or whatever the package is called) |
| 10:44.50 | BW^- | ah #hardware - great - thx! |
| 10:44.51 | dym | wols: thats was it. thanks. |
| 10:45.08 | mrdeb | ok. when the standard gnome install is finished, the gnome volume control is missing. why wasnt gnome-media isntalled by default? |
| 10:45.53 | wols | not part of the gnome tasksel package maybe? maybe not enough room on disk 1? |
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| 10:46.47 | mrdeb | you go to click the volume mixer bar from the sound icon, and it gives an error, bec the package wasnt installed. does anyone test these things |
| 10:47.15 | pipern | I don't use the debian bug tracker very often, so each time I get something wrong: If I write to $number@bugs.debian.org, I *can't* set tags at the same time, right? I need to write to control@ ? |
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| 10:47.36 | babilen | pipern: You can CC the mail to control |
| 10:47.53 | pipern | babilen: ok, thanks |
| 10:48.18 | pipern | babilen: I wonder, why doesn't it watch for tag (etc) commands in $number@bugs.debian.org? |
| 10:48.22 | babilen | pipern: Don't forget the "thanks" or "kthxbye" after the bug control commands |
| 10:48.34 | pipern | babilen: yeah I got that in already, thanks :-) |
| 10:50.19 | mrdeb | hmm |
| 10:51.50 | babilen | pipern: I actually think that might work :) |
| 10:52.10 | Benwa | hi, how to get rid oh these kind of scan ? : http://pastebin.com/bNw0wskz |
| 10:53.01 | wols | Benwa: you cannot except by shutting down your webserver |
| 10:53.28 | pipern | babilen: maybe I'll test it sometime then. Whenever I send mail in, I always then have to keep refreshing the bug in my browser over and over until I'm happy it really worked ;-) |
| 10:54.12 | babilen | pipern: You should receive an email from the BTS |
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| 10:55.08 | ketsa | i m looking for a gui for wifi that will show me available networks and their channel, so i can choose mine. any suggestion ? |
| 10:55.40 | voltagex | ketsa: you're looking for a free channel? |
| 10:55.44 | babilen | ketsa: wicd-gtk comes to mind |
| 10:55.50 | ketsa | yes |
| 10:56.01 | ketsa | i ll have a look, thanks. |
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| 10:56.41 | wols | ketsa: kismet. not exactly a gui tho. inssider looks good, but isn't packaged for debian |
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| 10:58.06 | mrdeb | is there a way to stop tghe hissing from the speakers when the phoens are plugged in? |
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| 10:58.28 | wols | mrdeb: of course. buy better hardware |
| 10:58.56 | ectospasm | that is always an option |
| 10:59.13 | ectospasm | of course, is the hiss because of the speakers, or the sound card connection? |
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| 11:00.00 | voltagex | wols: there are known issues with the way some of the realtek cards turn outputs off/on under alsa |
| 11:00.14 | voltagex | mrdeb: is it a netbook/laptop? |
| 11:00.45 | mrdeb | yes |
| 11:00.55 | mrdeb | it doesnt happen on ubuntu with the same kernel |
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| 11:01.01 | mrdeb | so its a setting somewhere |
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| 11:04.01 | mrdeb | well? |
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| 11:04.02 | voltagex | mrdeb: the only way I'd be able to tell you is by comparing the alsa settings on both, which I can't from here. |
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| 11:04.17 | voltagex | mrdeb: also, impatience won't get you far here. |
| 11:04.18 | dym | also mrdeb chill out. |
| 11:04.21 | dym | wait for answers. |
| 11:04.57 | mrdeb | well its not the alsa settings |
| 11:05.04 | voltagex | wols: that said, how do I change runlevel from this mode - init=/bin/bash gets me to a prompt, but I can't get much further |
| 11:05.08 | voltagex | mrdeb: how can you say that? |
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| 11:05.22 | mrdeb | i can say it, because it tested them |
| 11:05.57 | voltagex | mrdeb: you've compared the alsa configurations and versions from the ubuntu version you were running to debian stable? |
| 11:06.12 | mrdeb | it may be a kernel driver issue. not 100% sure though, but if it is, i cant fix it |
| 11:06.20 | mrdeb | yes |
| 11:06.36 | voltagex | mrdeb: have you still got the files? if so can you pastebin them> |
| 11:06.47 | voltagex | mrdeb: what makes you think it's a kernel issue? |
| 11:07.23 | wols | voltagex: I'm still waiting for my questions above |
| 11:07.30 | mrdeb | no, i dont have the files |
| 11:07.33 | mrdeb | i just wrote down the settings |
| 11:07.37 | voltagex | wols: which questions? |
| 11:07.45 | voltagex | mrdeb: from where? |
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| 11:08.05 | mrdeb | because i have had issues in the past with other kernels where the headphone jack would nto mute speakers, for example on 2.6.33 |
| 11:08.15 | mrdeb | and it was fixed with 35 |
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| 11:09.25 | mrdeb | anywya, i have to sleep now. goodbye |
| 11:09.47 | voltagex | wols: I can't switch runlevel because /dev/initctl doesn't exist |
| 11:09.56 | voltagex | wols: and I'm learning how to turn on nfs logging now |
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| 11:12.02 | cutout | Hi , I have a leeny server that gives me the following error on boot |
| 11:12.05 | cutout | Failed to read splash image ((hd0,3)/grub/default-splash.xpm.gz) |
| 11:12.07 | cutout | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.12 | cutout | how can I fix this? |
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| 11:13.14 | JPT | cutout: check whether /boot really is on sda4 |
| 11:13.27 | wols | cutout: menu.lst probably has a reference to the file and remove it |
| 11:13.37 | cutout | JPT: sorry but how can I do this? |
| 11:13.51 | dualboot | voltagex: You are in the bash due to using "-init=/bin/bash", you can there then try "exec /bin/init". That should start init and by doing so get the system started up properly. |
| 11:14.08 | JPT | check your fstab / mtab.. |
| 11:14.13 | nbnds | hi there, i would like to know why is debian so memory efficient? does it have special kernel optimizations which other distros omit |
| 11:14.32 | voltagex | dualboot: thanks, but somewhere after starting init my system crashes and the monitor turns off |
| 11:14.34 | wols | nbnds: no. simple answer: convenience costs memory |
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| 11:15.22 | wols | nbnds: there are distros that are far more memory efficient than debian |
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| 11:16.51 | nbnds | i load full gnome environment on 384 mb ram in virtual machine and it dont use up all the memory, while fedora with gnome would fill up 512 mb for sure |
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| 11:17.01 | mafi | hi |
| 11:17.16 | dualboot | voltagex: Then some of the scripts run at startup does something "interesting" (see /etc/rcX.d) or your /etc/inittab has something strange in it. At the shell you can also try to start script after script in /etc/rc2.d manually with parameter "start" to find out more. |
| 11:17.41 | voltagex | wols, dualboot: ok, exec /sbin/init 1 crashes my system |
| 11:17.44 | wols | dualboot: starting with init2.d is not so good |
| 11:17.47 | mafi | how can i restrict a user from browsing directories that does not belong to him? for example i add a user named "test" with home dir /home/wwwroot/mysite/test, how can i make him unable to read files in 'mysite' but only edit in the directory 'test' ? |
| 11:17.50 | voltagex | dualboot: good suggestion. |
| 11:17.54 | dualboot | voltagex: Use the scripts named "S..." one after another. |
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| 11:18.02 | dualboot | In numerical order. |
| 11:18.06 | wols | voltagex: so check the entries in /etc/rc1.d/ |
| 11:18.23 | voltagex | sure |
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| 11:19.34 | wols | voltagex: mea culpa. start with /etc/rcS.d/ |
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| 11:19.58 | nbnds | wols, can u name a distro which is more memory efficient than debian, i'd like to try it out |
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| 11:21.51 | cahoot | nbnds: why do you see a problem? |
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| 11:22.16 | cahoot | ..or rather - what problem do you think you see? |
| 11:22.21 | wols | puppy linux, damn small linux, vector linux, absolute linux, basic linux |
| 11:23.22 | PhoenixSTF | nbnds, debian is very good IMO, you cant get anything stable and updated like debian... but you have more dists, you have gentoo, fedora, suse, mandriva, archlinux, and smaller versions like puppy... |
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| 11:24.18 | PhoenixSTF | nbnds, but why do you want a more memory efecient dist? |
| 11:24.19 | jelly-home | nbnds: what is the issue you're trying to solve by switching distros, instead of configuring a chosen distro properly? |
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| 11:25.18 | PhoenixSTF | if you want something realy small try android, or emDebian |
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| 11:25.51 | voltagex | wols: ooh, it's something in rcS |
| 11:26.12 | nbnds | PhoenixSTF, no, Wols said, there are more memory efficient distros than debian. I wondered which are, because debian stock instalation has very low memory consumption event in gnome env. |
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| 11:27.27 | PhoenixSTF | nbnds, all other more memory efficient, are very small and arent for productive systems, they are more for recovery or for server systems |
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| 11:28.11 | PhoenixSTF | nbnds, gnome itself uses a bit of mem... take taht out and you have a command line server... |
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| 11:29.12 | voltagex | wols: I can't read this new concurrent script thing, is there a way to tell what rcS/rc is doing? |
| 11:29.23 | cutout | how can I know the ips of the machines connected to my network? |
| 11:29.43 | wols | cutout: arp, nmap, .. |
| 11:29.54 | voltagex | wols: if it helps, the last thing I think I see on my screen is one of my hard drives being detected |
| 11:30.00 | Aizya | I am happy to inform all of you that debian has now become the main operating system we use on all server in my village |
| 11:30.03 | wols | voltagex: start with the lowest number S??script and go up from there |
| 11:30.15 | Aizya | the vision is to spread it all over the island and to other islands in the area |
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| 11:30.19 | voltagex | wols: in which directory? |
| 11:30.26 | voltagex | Aizya: what country? :) |
| 11:30.35 | wols | Aizya: so steve ballmer is right and it's a cancer! |
| 11:30.42 | wols | voltagex: /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 11:30.43 | Aizya | french polynesia |
| 11:30.52 | Aizya | in society islands |
| 11:30.57 | Aizya | in south pacific |
| 11:30.59 | voltagex | very cool |
| 11:31.04 | Aizya | in island of Moorea |
| 11:31.24 | Aizya | its close to the famous island of Tahiti |
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| 11:33.14 | voltagex | wols: it's something that udev is doing |
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| 11:33.56 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.27 | voltagex | :( this whole experience setting up an nfs boot system has been black magic |
| 11:35.04 | cutout | how can I change the screen resolution from command line? |
| 11:35.14 | skamikaze | cutout: xrandr -s |
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| 11:35.21 | cutout | thanks |
| 11:35.50 | skamikaze | cutout: ' xrandr | head ' to see available resolutions |
| 11:36.02 | cutout | :) |
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| 11:40.05 | cutout | skamikaze: am connected through ssh, it gives me Can't open display |
| 11:40.36 | wols | cutout: is there X running on the system? |
| 11:40.44 | cutout | yes |
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| 11:40.48 | cutout | it should be |
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| 11:41.04 | wols | then set your DISPLAY manually (if you're the same username logged in via ssh as running X) |
| 11:41.08 | wols | and then try again |
| 11:41.29 | cutout | will the problem it gives out of range on the screen |
| 11:41.39 | wols | just as long as it's running |
| 11:41.48 | wols | export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 |
| 11:42.03 | cutout | and |
| 11:42.13 | wols | no "and" |
| 11:42.27 | cutout | I executed it through ssh |
| 11:42.52 | cutout | Can't open display localhost:0.0 |
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| 11:43.33 | wols | then check your X logs what display it uses? |
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| 11:46.40 | cutout | (II) VESA(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section |
| 11:46.42 | cutout | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.44 | cutout | (==) VESA(0): Depth 16, (--) framebuffer bpp 16 |
| 11:47.04 | cutout | is this what you asked me to check? |
| 11:48.29 | cutout | can u help me, I have no clue what to do |
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| 11:49.25 | voltagex | wols: hah, I got rsyslog logging, the last message from udev is about my XBox controller... :/ |
| 11:49.38 | voltagex | wols: and then the system dies |
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| 11:54.37 | pilleslife | I've got a soft-raid5 (mdadm). 2 out of my 6 drives degraded, but I think 5 devices are ok. Then I tried to assemble the raid and I got this messages (http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/soft-raid-5-degraded/). After that I tried to create a new array over the old, but it doesn't work. If I set the disk-size mdadm says that the drive ist smaller than de given size. (I hope you understood it. If not I will try to explain it again.) |
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| 11:56.31 | wols | pilleslife: #ubuntu |
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| 12:04.34 | pilleslife | wols: I know, but I got no answer there and I hope to geht one here, because it's important for me |
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| 12:05.41 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 12:05.41 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 12:07.13 | pilleslife | dpkg: I tried it on Ubuntu and on an Debian Live CD |
| 12:07.13 | dpkg | pilleslife: are you using Windows? |
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| 12:07.58 | pilleslife | yes, on one computer I'm using windows, but I#ve also got computers using debian and ubuntu |
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| 12:14.05 | ompaul | pilleslife: dpkg is the channel bot - seems to have passed the Turning test, #ubuntu is not #debian and visa versa |
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| 12:14.29 | fahad | babilen: thanks! |
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| 12:15.43 | cutout | my server starts OK, but when it is supposed to give me the GDM I get "out of range" msg on the screen |
| 12:15.52 | cutout | can anyone help me please? |
| 12:15.57 | ompaul | mutters backups backups backups backups |
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| 12:16.24 | ompaul | cutout: squeeze? |
| 12:16.31 | cutout | lenny |
| 12:16.52 | cutout | am able to access it through ssh |
| 12:17.07 | ompaul | cutout: is this a sudden situation or has it existed for a while |
| 12:17.14 | ompaul | i.e. what changes caused it |
| 12:17.26 | cutout | no changes, I just installed it |
| 12:17.33 | ompaul | you just installed lenny? |
| 12:17.40 | ompaul | !lenny |
| 12:17.40 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 12:17.41 | cutout | :) |
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| 12:18.09 | cutout | I installed using sysremaster it is an image from my server |
| 12:18.11 | ompaul | if I may be so bold, I suggest you download squeeze and get yourself onto the current stable |
| 12:18.25 | cutout | will I can not |
| 12:18.33 | cutout | I have to work with this oe |
| 12:18.36 | cutout | one* |
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| 12:18.40 | wols | or boot to console and upgrade to squeeze |
| 12:18.51 | wols | then start X -configure |
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| 12:19.10 | cutout | how can I upgrade? |
| 12:19.14 | ompaul | !upgrade |
| 12:19.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 12:19.31 | ompaul | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 12:19.39 | cutout | ah |
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| 12:19.44 | cutout | I'll try it |
| 12:19.46 | ompaul | !lenny -> squeeze |
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| 12:20.02 | ompaul | dpkg: hello |
| 12:20.02 | dpkg | salut |
| 12:20.19 | ompaul | !lenny squeeze |
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| 12:21.00 | babilen | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 12:21.00 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 12:21.03 | fcn | ompaul: try /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 12:21.08 | babilen | ompaul: ! and -> do not mix |
| 12:21.13 | ompaul | babilen: thanks |
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| 12:25.16 | babilen | cutout: Pay attention to the last sentence and read/follow the release notes. /msg dpkg release notes |
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| 12:26.32 | cutout | why can't I just fix this one |
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| 12:26.43 | cutout | I have so much installed and configured |
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| 12:27.17 | cutout | I can not risk missing every thing |
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| 12:28.07 | ompaul | cutout: configured but not working seems to be your current diagnosis |
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| 12:28.28 | cutout | no working |
| 12:28.37 | cutout | I only have this issue with the display |
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| 12:28.44 | cutout | it is a server |
| 12:29.04 | ompaul | init 3 it you get console why sweat the simple stuff |
| 12:29.15 | ompaul | woops that is incorrect |
| 12:29.26 | ompaul | turn off gdm |
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| 12:30.24 | cutout | how :P |
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| 12:31.27 | ompaul | I have to remember hang on a sec |
| 12:32.25 | ompaul | cutout: on lenny, install rcconf and have fun it is very intuitive |
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| 12:33.03 | ompaul | cutout: there are many ways to disable stuff but that one works and is easiest ime |
| 12:33.20 | cutout | OK thanks I'll try it |
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| 12:40.20 | guardian | anyone having an opinion about scponly vs rssh? i want to setup one of the two to replace ftp access; and eventually later provide a chroot environment with limited commands |
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| 12:47.14 | frostschutz | guardian: I use rrsync, works fine for me so far |
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| 12:51.32 | guardian | frostschutz: ok |
| 12:52.14 | guardian | didn't know about rrsync |
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| 13:01.24 | freegh | hello guys i have a 1u server this week i wanne go place it in a datacenter. and i'm going to run some websites on it. a company that assist me a little bit told me that i need to install a dns server on my 1u server. but i dont know anything about dns. can somebody advice me a little bit( i have used bind9 on debian for a while it works nice but i never had to configure anything on it. |
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| 13:02.54 | ompaul | freegh: get a "dummy domain name" point it at that box and build from there - build all sorts of things into files and enjoy |
| 13:03.14 | ompaul | freegh: howabout omgitworks.com or something ;-) |
| 13:04.03 | ompaul | freegh: and if you get omgitworkstoo.com |
| 13:04.22 | ompaul | you could do work on things like virtal domains and see how they look outside |
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| 13:05.28 | ompaul | freegh: that is the best advise I can give you on that - you need to read your docs and get on with it, it is all good fun. come back with a specific question to the channel I am about to do a 250km drive in the next few minutes back in a few hours |
| 13:06.08 | dym | freegh: There is no other advice but: Learn how to configure bind. |
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| 13:08.39 | daemonkeeper | dym, freegh: Or even a better advise: get rid of bind and use a better DNS server (e.g. PowerDNS) |
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| 13:10.45 | wols | why would anyone need to host its own DNS on some random server in a datacenter? in fact, that's a pretty stupid idea |
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| 13:11.46 | ompaul | wols: I do but then I'm a bit mad |
| 13:12.26 | ompaul | wols: it means i know some things for certain in this uncertain world |
| 13:12.57 | marsje | how can I install debian 6.0 using the installer to have a system that is in english, but uses dutch locale (dutch date/time format) and has the dutch timezone? |
| 13:13.55 | xingu | daemonkeeper: does powerdns support rfc2136 yet? |
| 13:14.28 | ompaul | marsje: install as uk (assuming that is version you want) and then do TZ sorting out later or if you want english and euro you could go ireland but set your dictionaries to en_uk etc |
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| 13:15.08 | marsje | ompaul: sounds like a work around :) |
| 13:15.37 | marsje | ompaul: was just wondering when I can tell it what language to use and tell it in which country I am, but then the list of locals is limited to the country or language |
| 13:16.22 | daemonkeeper | xingu: There are not much reasons to care about, since PowerDNS supports a lot of data base backends each having rock solid replication/synchronization backends, but yes it does. |
| 13:16.30 | ompaul | marsje: you are going to have to set the tz seperate if you want to get this done the easy way - I don't do hard ways |
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| 13:16.54 | marsje | ompaul: so I would do this post-installation? |
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| 13:17.50 | ompaul | marsje: no, install as English (pick your version from ireland england - then you would set the time zone for the box later |
| 13:18.07 | marsje | ompaul: ok, I will try that |
| 13:18.08 | ompaul | time zone is post-install if that is what you were asking |
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| 13:19.48 | aguitel | is there anyway to install iceweasel 4.0 ? |
| 13:20.58 | daemonkeeper | aguitel: mozilla.debian.net if you can't wait |
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| 13:24.33 | xingu | daemonkeeper: hmm, the intarwebs still seem to be full of people who've worked around it, and the docs page only mentions a way to squish warnings about failed updates |
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| 13:29.17 | dym | if ping echo request is icmp type 8, how come this shorewall rule wont allow it? http://pastebin.com/pjQrRacu |
| 13:29.21 | dym | Zones, etc are all correct. |
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| 13:30.13 | daemonkeeper | xingu: As said, afaict it is supported since 2. but this is no high priority since you better user MySQL replication (or PostgreSQL, or Oracle ...) to synchronize your domains. This is way better than AXFR/DDNS and so on. |
| 13:30.21 | dym | Got it. Thanks anyways. |
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| 13:32.15 | aguitel | daemonkeeper, is there anyway to try gnome3? |
| 13:32.49 | daemonkeeper | aguitel: Its in experimental I think. This does not mean you /should/ use those packages. |
| 13:33.09 | aguitel | ok |
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| 13:46.26 | nviror | Python or PHP for a city portal ? which language would you prefer in the long run? |
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| 13:50.50 | matias | Hello |
| 13:51.32 | matias | how can I list the process that are using a specific kernel module? I'm trying to remove one but it says it's being used so I can't remove it :| |
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| 13:52.44 | wols | matias: depending on the device, you can't. so which device is it? |
| 13:53.03 | matias | it's a device I created so none else knows about this module |
| 13:53.15 | matias | I'm pretty sure none is using it |
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| 13:53.46 | wols | since you created it and wrote all the software for it _and_ you're sure nothing's using it, there is no problem at all. QED |
| 13:53.49 | wols | have a nice day |
| 13:54.15 | matias | yes, there's a problem. I can't remove the module! |
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| 13:54.39 | matias | ERROR: Module so20 is in use |
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| 13:55.37 | matias | maybe a zombie process is still using it or similar hehe |
| 13:56.22 | matias | I will force the rmmod anyway... |
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| 13:57.00 | matias | it doesn't work, I just tried with -f :/ |
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| 13:58.35 | Iridos | reboot... \o/ |
| 13:58.46 | matias | lol |
| 13:59.31 | Iridos | not |o| .... \o/! |
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| 14:01.17 | matias | well, time to reboot. see you all |
| 14:01.59 | xsbyme | whats the diffrence between kfreebsd and i386 |
| 14:02.00 | xsbyme | in debian |
| 14:02.26 | babilen | xsbyme: kfreebsd uses a BSD kernel and i386 a Linux one |
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| 14:03.16 | xsbyme | ic |
| 14:03.18 | xsbyme | eny pros and cons between that kernel |
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| 14:05.49 | xsbyme | ? |
| 14:07.17 | babilen | xsbyme: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why might give a few pointers. In general I would recommend a Linux kernel, but that depends entirely on your needs. |
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| 14:08.37 | xsbyme | thnx |
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| 14:20.17 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 14:28.07 | microcluster | hallo |
| 14:28.52 | microcluster | how is possible that i installed debian on core2duo and it recognize it like amd64? |
| 14:29.09 | cahoot | 64bit? |
| 14:29.22 | dvs | microcluster: what image did you install from? |
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| 14:32.03 | tonsofpcs | microcluster: what does the following command say? |
| 14:32.05 | tonsofpcs | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -m 1 "model name" |
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| 14:33.57 | daemonkeeper | microcluster: Perhaps because it /is/ an AMD64 machine? |
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| 14:34.39 | Onryo | I was just given 100% static deb of Blender trunk. In the folder are included ALL the dependencies and python3.2. The cool thing with this is that is does not mess with my system files at all. What is the best way of building such static packets/folders? pbuilder and friends? |
| 14:34.41 | daemonkeeper | Intel CPUs supporting EM64T are AMD64 compliant. |
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| 14:35.22 | microcluster | daemonkeeper, absolutly not it's a core2duo intel machine |
| 14:35.36 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell microcluster about why amd64 |
| 14:35.39 | daemonkeeper | So? |
| 14:35.43 | dvs | !tell microcluster about amd64 |
| 14:36.01 | daemonkeeper | AMD64 is an architecture, not a specific manufacturer as Intel licensed it from AMD |
| 14:36.32 | daemonkeeper | Intel x86 runs on AMD cpus as well (the other way around that is) |
| 14:37.26 | microcluster | why when debian start doesn't appeare i386 but amd64 on boot ? |
| 14:37.38 | wols | microcluster: AMD64 means the architecture, and that just is AMD64 for a core2duo. just like a 32bit x64 cpu is "i386", no matter if it's from intel or amd |
| 14:38.11 | wols | !amd |
| 14:38.11 | dpkg | Advanced Micro Devices is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of ATI/AMD graphics hardware, ask me about <ati>. See also <amd64>, <coolnquiet>, <k7>. |
| 14:38.15 | wols | doh |
| 14:38.17 | wols | !amd64 |
| 14:38.17 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are AMD64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 14:38.45 | daemonkeeper | wols: What about reading? dvs already told microcluster this through dpkg. |
| 14:39.37 | Onryo | try cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" and see if any of the names look weird |
| 14:40.35 | Onryo | Your not in a VM are you? That can make stuff look funky in proc |
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| 14:49.39 | BrixSat | hello, how do i install proftpd-mysql under debian lenny? |
| 14:51.05 | daemonkeeper | You want proftpd-mod-mysql |
| 14:51.38 | BrixSat | =) |
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| 14:52.51 | daemonkeeper | By the way: Any objections against upgrading to Squeeze? |
| 14:53.05 | dvs | ??? |
| 14:53.14 | BrixSat | daemonkeeper: it has nothing to install (maybe it already is) but when i try to install alternc (control panel) i get alternc: Depends: proftpd-mysql but it is not installable |
| 14:53.20 | dvs | oh, BrixSat |
| 14:53.31 | BrixSat | dvs? |
| 14:53.45 | dvs | nvm |
| 14:53.52 | BrixSat | nvm? |
| 14:54.17 | dvs | I didn't catch that daemonkeeper was talking directly to you. |
| 14:54.38 | BrixSat | :) |
| 14:54.54 | daemonkeeper | BrixSat: Then your package is broken. |
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| 14:56.17 | Bushmills | ,versions proftpd-mysql |
| 14:56.18 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'proftpd-mysql' was found in i386. |
| 14:56.21 | wols | !tell BrixSat about equivs |
| 14:56.48 | daemonkeeper | Bushmills: its called proftpd-mod-mysql as said and alternc is not an official package ... |
| 14:57.41 | Bushmills | just pointing out that there isn't such a question in debian |
| 14:57.48 | daemonkeeper | Indeed. |
| 14:57.50 | xsbyme | how disbale acpi during install ? |
| 14:57.50 | Bushmills | ehm ... package |
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| 14:58.51 | efaistos | hi ... any idea why the installation of postgresql-8.4 is not started automatically ? |
| 14:58.56 | BrixSat | wols: ok equals but ius there any tut to guide me? |
| 14:59.03 | sda | hi all! question, i need a normal text boot, so i can see where my ubuntu stops to boot! how can I? It boot 1of3time almost.... |
| 14:59.12 | daemonkeeper | Ask in #ubuntu? |
| 14:59.19 | tweek_ | question: i have 2 laptops, and i want to use the old one as a wireless router for the other one. now i've done this before, at that time the old laptop had had a gui, and i just created an 'ad-hoc' network, which worked. how can i do this without a gui on the old laptop? i can find no documentation on how to create a wpa encrypted ad-hoc network with wpa_supplicant, however, i find documentation on how to create a wireless access point with hostapd, dhcp se |
| 14:59.20 | sda | sorry |
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| 15:00.12 | xsbyme | how disbale acpi during install ? |
| 15:00.27 | Bushmills | tweek_: check out wpasupplicant and iwconfig |
| 15:01.02 | tweek_ | Bushmills: did, no mentioning of ad-hoc with wpasupplicant, unless i missed something |
| 15:01.15 | Bushmills | tweek_: iwconfig |
| 15:01.28 | anima- | tweek_, if you cant find any documentation on setting up ad-hoc wireless with wpa you havent looked hard enough |
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| 15:03.02 | Bushmills | tweek_: there's also a console version of wicd which may be helpful in the sense of easing setup |
| 15:05.02 | tweek_ | i tried http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc, which doesn't mention encryption at all, and i tried http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant, which doesn't mention ad-hoc, and neither does /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
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| 15:05.45 | anima- | tweek_, .... put the 2 together |
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| 15:07.06 | tweek_ | anima-: i tried, but i'm pretty sure i did it wrong, maybe will try some more later, but i thought i'd ask if i'm on the right track at all before i continue |
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| 15:09.03 | tweek_ | Bushmills: so ad-hoc with wpa encryption using wpa_supplicant is definitely possible? |
| 15:09.31 | pigiman | does anyone knows where can I find debian package for Zend Framework 1.11.6 (newest) ? Thanks |
| 15:10.16 | tweek_ | also, about my original question, would you recommend ad-hoc or that access point thing? |
| 15:10.37 | Bushmills | tweek_: not sure. it's definitely possible to set up ad-hoc with WEP |
| 15:10.44 | anima- | pigiman, try the testing/experimental repos |
| 15:10.59 | anima- | if not download zend and build from source |
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| 15:11.21 | tweek_ | Bushmills: that is not an option, according to the debian wiki and according to everyone, wep is just not secure |
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| 15:11.29 | Bushmills | tweek_: i don't know what your original question was |
| 15:11.30 | anima- | Bushmills, you can setup ad-hoc with WPA too |
| 15:11.36 | pigiman | anima-, where can I find ? I tried to google it but I found only 1.10.x package |
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| 15:12.16 | anima- | pigiman, google "add experimental testing repositories debian" |
| 15:12.25 | pigiman | thanks |
| 15:13.04 | xsbyme | how disbale acpi during install ? |
| 15:13.09 | tweek_ | Bushmills: my original question was what is the difference between an ad-hoc network and a wireless access point, and which do i use in my situation? |
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| 15:13.53 | tweek_ | for example, the wireless access point has a dhcp server, why is that not required with an ad-hoc network? |
| 15:13.54 | anima- | tweek_, google |
| 15:13.55 | wols | xsbyme: acpi=off as kernel parameter |
| 15:14.06 | anima- | morning wols |
| 15:14.19 | xsbyme | at boot from the install |
| 15:14.21 | xsbyme | doesnt work |
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| 15:14.30 | Bushmills | tweek_: look at doc of "mode" in iwconfig man page for a short rundown of differences |
| 15:14.33 | wols | xsbyme: what is your actual problem? |
| 15:14.58 | ira_gershwin | an ad-hoc network is between peers, the other has an explicit server for communication between computers |
| 15:15.02 | xsbyme | my hangs on install boot |
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| 15:15.34 | xsbyme | with both debian i386 and kfreebsd |
| 15:15.55 | tweek_ | anima-: hm, i suppose the access point would be the 'master' in iwconfig |
| 15:15.56 | xsbyme | i press e in grub |
| 15:16.26 | wols | xsbyme: do you have a problem with apic or acpi? |
| 15:17.07 | xsbyme | mom |
| 15:17.08 | xsbyme | checking |
| 15:18.01 | anima- | pigiman, the repos are usually a few versions behind because the deb team has to test new releases before they add them to the main deb repos, even the testing repos can be behind, if you want bleeding edge you will have to download the source and build it or download the source and make a deb package |
| 15:18.13 | xsbyme | at boot it says EHCI0 ithread there it hangs |
| 15:18.19 | BrixSat | wols: i cant even use equivs :p some errors grrrrrr |
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| 15:19.05 | BrixSat | wols: http://pastebin.com/YRGz5Bhi |
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| 15:22.39 | project2501b | has anybody dealt with a build system made in perl, in which you execute perl ./Build.PL to make a ./Build script? |
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| 15:22.44 | xsbyme | wols |
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| 15:22.55 | project2501b | let me go in #perl |
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| 15:35.31 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 15:37.26 | arcsky | when i ssh to my ubuntu machine it takes like ages after i typed the user, it takes time before i can type the password.. does anyone know if this a bug or something? |
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| 15:38.41 | Bushmills | arcsky: we're not generally informed of bugs in ubuntu here on #debian |
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| 15:39.44 | oldtopman | I have a question. |
| 15:39.52 | Bushmills | 42 |
| 15:40.00 | oldtopman | I installed 6.0.1 on my system (AMD X$ 640) |
| 15:40.03 | oldtopman | X4 |
| 15:40.12 | arcsky | Bushmills: so u mean it doesnt are an issue in debian squeeze ? |
| 15:40.17 | oldtopman | And when I grub-booted it, it KP's I think |
| 15:40.31 | oldtopman | SO I tried recovery mode. |
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| 15:40.47 | Bushmills | arcsky: no, i mean that we can't tell whether it is a bug or not. we don't know, as if would be a bug with ubuntu if it is a bug. |
| 15:41.10 | oldtopman | And there is some text that scrools for a while, then it dies againm |
| 15:41.17 | Bushmills | but there is the chance that it is not a bug, but normal operation |
| 15:41.25 | Bushmills | even that we don't know |
| 15:41.31 | oldtopman | Dies = monitor loses signal, HD light goes off, and such |
| 15:42.04 | oldtopman | Bushmills: You have the same issue? |
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| 15:42.38 | oldtopman | nvm, you were talking to arcsky. So, anyone have ideas? |
| 15:42.44 | Bushmills | no, i don't |
| 15:43.00 | oldtopman | :/ |
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| 15:44.11 | Bushmills | i mean, i don't have the same issue |
| 15:44.52 | Bushmills | i suggest to read that text, which scrolls for a while,. it may carry indications why your k p's |
| 15:45.12 | oldtopman | Bushmills: I did. Its all normal, then the screen goes black. |
| 15:45.18 | oldtopman | and then... |
| 15:45.20 | oldtopman | DOOOOM |
| 15:45.27 | oldtopman | :|P |
| 15:46.06 | Bushmills | oldtopman: what kernel is that? |
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| 15:46.25 | oldtopman | Bushmills: The normal one I suppose. |
| 15:46.34 | oldtopman | I downloaded the x64 one yesturday. |
| 15:46.44 | oldtopman | It passed SHA512 as well/ |
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| 15:47.25 | Bushmills | 64 bit kernel on 32 bit system? non-x86 kernel on x86? |
| 15:47.53 | oldtopman | Oh. |
| 15:47.54 | Bushmills | ah, no. "scrolls for a while" ... |
| 15:48.02 | oldtopman | I have a X64 system :P |
| 15:48.09 | oldtopman | AMD even. |
| 15:48.25 | Bushmills | nm, i just didn't put 1 and 1 together |
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| 15:48.33 | oldtopman | XD |
| 15:49.09 | oldtopman | Still no ideas I presume? Thanks anyway then! |
| 15:49.15 | oldtopman | 5.0.8 worked okay. |
| 15:49.21 | oldtopman | When will that b killed? |
| 15:49.24 | oldtopman | be* |
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| 15:50.04 | Bushmills | after christmas |
| 15:50.17 | oldtopman | D: |
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| 15:56.44 | Ogmios | anyone know anything about the update for libapr1 that was added this morning? |
| 15:56.51 | Ogmios | I can't find any info on it. |
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| 16:07.11 | dokma | where does hibernate store the image? |
| 16:07.21 | dokma | I assume it's the swap partition |
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| 16:11.26 | Iridos | yes, swap |
| 16:11.28 | rudi_s | dokma: AFAIK you can change it, but defaults to swap. |
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| 16:12.15 | dokma | rudi_s: the issue is that the swap is miniscule because it is swap for virtual appliance so it's probably not large enough to store the hibernate image |
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| 16:12.39 | dokma | is it true that the swap should be at least the size of available ram to be able to hibernate? |
| 16:12.44 | dokma | that's my uneducated guess |
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| 16:13.57 | nevyn | dokma: half ram should be ok. |
| 16:14.05 | Iridos | well, it's the obvious conclusion if it's saved into swap... general recommendation is to have swap 2-3X the size of the ram, so I've never seen a system with less swap than ram |
| 16:14.14 | themill | dokma: some hibernate implementations can compress the swap image |
| 16:14.28 | dokma | nevyn: that's what I do have but hibernate fails |
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| 16:14.45 | nevyn | dokma: does it fail writing pages? |
| 16:15.07 | dokma | nevyn: this is a bit tricky because I'm hibernating a virtual appliance in virtual box |
| 16:15.30 | dokma | so I don't really see what is going on because I cannot switch to console and try |
| 16:16.09 | tweek_ | dokma: just ouf of curiousity, why do you hibernate inside virtualbox? |
| 16:16.09 | dokma | I'm still trying to figure out how to even see what happens |
| 16:16.11 | latepre | i'm having issues install rsync on 'squeeze', any idea? http://pastie.org/1904610 |
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| 16:16.52 | dokma | tweek_: it's a virtual appliance setup for PHP debugging environment so I want to leave it with eclipse and firefox running mid debugging session |
| 16:17.02 | themill | latepre: rsync is not the problem here, the "vzquota" script from your VPS provider is the problem. |
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| 16:17.30 | latepre | themill: yes i have noticed, is there anything that can be done software wise from VPS though? |
| 16:17.34 | cutout | Hi, The gdm gives me "out of range" how can I change it's resolution? |
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| 16:18.02 | tweek_ | dokma: ok, i'm not sure but couldn't you just pause or save the machine state with virtualbox? |
| 16:18.20 | themill | latepre: you could try fixing the script yourself (/msg dpkg missing lsb tags), but you might do better to contact your VPS provider and get them to provide you with an updated version. |
| 16:18.27 | Iridos | dokma, /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.32/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt.gz (or http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt )? |
| 16:18.35 | dokma | tweek_: never ocurred to me that would be possible |
| 16:18.55 | dokma | I'll go check into it immediately |
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| 16:19.00 | themill | dokma: you can pause VMs in vbox |
| 16:19.10 | latepre | themill: hmm ok i'll look into it right now, thank you |
| 16:19.36 | tweek_ | dokma: or save the machine state, which saves the ram into a file, probably not unlike hibernate, but outside the machine |
| 16:19.43 | wols | cutout: I've told you hours ago to run X -configure |
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| 16:20.05 | wols | that creates an xorg.conf file you can then edit to limit frequencies |
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| 16:20.18 | dokma | I do have a take a snapshot option |
| 16:20.27 | dokma | that might be an elegant solution |
| 16:20.30 | cutout | Fatal server error: |
| 16:20.32 | cutout | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 16:20.34 | cutout | If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 16:20.36 | cutout | and start again. |
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| 16:21.49 | wols | cutout: isn't it nice how helpful error messages are? sometimes they even explicitly tell you what to do! awesome! |
| 16:22.11 | cutout | yes it does |
| 16:22.16 | cutout | :) |
| 16:22.17 | Iridos | is there a special reason why you're pasting that error here, though? |
| 16:22.22 | wols | then I wonder why you have to spam it in here |
| 16:22.47 | themill | dokma: "snapshot" is about being able to roll back to previous states of the VM, not just being able to pause/save-state/hibernate it and then wake it up again later. |
| 16:23.55 | cutout | wols: this one does not say how to do it |
| 16:23.59 | cutout | Fatal server error: |
| 16:24.01 | cutout | Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running |
| 16:24.04 | Ogmios | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.13 | cutout | already did |
| 16:24.19 | dokma | themill: I'm experimenting with it atm |
| 16:24.21 | wols | cutout: but first make sure the server isn't already running! |
| 16:24.40 | cutout | I have /tmp/.X11-lock |
| 16:24.44 | wols | simply deleting locks is a very stupid and dangerous idea |
| 16:25.10 | cutout | and?> |
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| 16:25.43 | cutout | how can I stop X11 |
| 16:25.46 | cutout | ? |
| 16:25.51 | wols | cutout: and now is the time for you to learn how ps, grep and kill work. have fun |
| 16:26.09 | cutout | thanks |
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| 16:26.43 | lapsusbrutus | cutout: invoke.rc-d gdm3 stop? |
| 16:26.51 | wols | tho, people told you hours ago how to not make X start on bootup. another thing you simply ignore cause no one told you exactly why keys to press |
| 16:27.07 | wols | s/why/which |
| 16:27.42 | lapsusbrutus | s:"/invoke.rc-d/invoke-rc.d/ :) |
| 16:27.42 | latepre | themill: what does it look like it's doing btw -> http://pastebin.com/D8zVxHb0 |
| 16:28.11 | marsfligth | Does exist a "BASH completion" that works like "word prediction" in Open Office keeping as well the "TAB completion" function active? Thanks |
| 16:28.15 | dokma | yes the snapshot feature works fanatastic... when the user restores it and starts the VM he is imediatelly presented with all the applications up and running in the middle of a debug session |
| 16:28.19 | dokma | just what I wanted |
| 16:28.28 | dokma | now just export it and publish |
| 16:29.12 | themill | latepre: it's doing some odd looking things to the list of mounted filesystems and then turning on quota support. |
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| 16:29.25 | dokma | themill, tweek_ thank you guys! |
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| 16:30.44 | lapsusbrutus | dokma: what do you use for virtualizing? |
| 16:30.47 | latepre | themill: hm right, but essentially useless for a VPS user? i've removed the script |
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| 16:31.37 | themill | latepre: well presumably not completely useless since it was stuck there for your "OpenVZ" kernel by your provider and is called "vzquota". |
| 16:33.12 | marsfligth | Does exist a "BASH completion" that works like "word prediction" in Open Office or "word suggestion function in Google" keeping as well the "TAB completion" function active? Thanks |
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| 16:33.33 | latepre | themill: bare with me, is it executed everytime i will install something that triggers insserv? |
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| 16:34.13 | latepre | themill: i mean, i'm not following why insserv was moaning about it in the first place |
| 16:34.42 | themill | latepre: it's executed on boot. The errors you got were from trying to work out how to correctly order the scripts at boot time which will happen every time you try to install something that might provide a service that should run at boot time (like rsync daemon). |
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| 16:35.36 | latepre | themill: i see, good info... i tried looking at /etc/rcS.d but didn't find a direct reference to it so it seemed weird? |
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| 16:37.23 | sickgut | question |
| 16:37.37 | sickgut | in the /dev/ dir what is the usual device name for a webcam? |
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| 16:38.16 | latepre | themill: anyhow, thanks a lot for the help <3 |
| 16:39.09 | zitter | sorry if my question seems too lame, but can I install debian on other devices than PC? I mean: could I install it on a LG video recorder, for example? ps. i'm looking for a very cheap download station solution where to install debian (maybe an ARM device? which one?) |
| 16:39.11 | wols | sickgut: /dev/video0 ? |
| 16:39.15 | Bushmills | sickgut: /dev/video0 |
| 16:39.21 | sickgut | sweet |
| 16:39.23 | sickgut | thanks |
| 16:39.27 | Bushmills | you first |
| 16:39.29 | Iridos | sickgut, or... /dev/v4l/by-name/* |
| 16:39.41 | sickgut | thanks |
| 16:39.57 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.09 | wols | zitter: NSLU2 for example. it's a NAS device and has a debian based linux if you want it. another one, running real debian, are the sheevaplug and it's derivatives like the seagate dockstar |
| 16:40.21 | zitter | epad is a table? no tablet sorry :) |
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| 16:40.31 | marsfligth | Does exist a "BASH completion" function that works like "word prediction" in Open Office or in Kate editor or in Google suggest function keeping as well the "TAB completion" function active? |
| 16:40.48 | wols | !tell marsfligth about repeat |
| 16:40.49 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.50 | Bushmills | zitter: wlan routers are popular hosts for linux, though more compact distributions are generally preferred for those |
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| 16:41.48 | wols | Bushmills: routers lack memory. dockstar is probably the cheapest option right now. 128MB RAM, 1GHz ARM cpu |
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| 16:41.57 | Iridos | wols, what I didn't immediately realize, though, was that "runs a debian derivative" often means that they incorporated proprietary drivers for their hardware, so switching it to debian would mean a lot of the hardware stops working |
| 16:42.04 | darkwood | i have "man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" errors in ubuntu and i change /etc/default/locale LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" and that works on ubuntu, i did that on debian i doesnt working, why?? |
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| 16:42.08 | Bushmills | wols: some feature usb ports, for mass storage extension |
| 16:42.11 | zitter | wols, nslu2 seems interesting, thanks :) Bushmills wlan router have memory? |
| 16:42.23 | wols | Bushmills: I said memory. not storage |
| 16:42.40 | wols | zitter: nslu2 isn't really interesting. too old, too slow, too small |
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| 16:42.43 | marsfligth | wols: I corrected my previous, it is not a repetition to be precise. |
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| 16:43.06 | schmack | which string is for disable/enable X on boot from dpkg ? |
| 16:43.07 | Bushmills | zitter: 32 or 64 MiB RAM are about you find |
| 16:43.09 | zitter | wols, ok :) but too small is ok |
| 16:43.12 | Bushmills | about most .. |
| 16:43.23 | schmack | gdm3 or ? |
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| 16:43.34 | wols | Bushmills: good luck. 64 is rare. and expensive |
| 16:43.44 | zitter | Bushmills, for example which wlan router do you suggest? |
| 16:43.52 | Bushmills | wndr 3700 have 64. my cheap tplink has 32 |
| 16:44.06 | wols | schmack: any ?dm you find. can be one of several. look at S99* in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 16:44.32 | wols | Bushmills: how much for your tp-link? |
| 16:44.32 | Bushmills | zitter: good cost/feature ratio are the tp-link wr1043nd |
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| 16:44.53 | Bushmills | wols: 40€, about 50$ then |
| 16:45.31 | wols | Bushmills: for this price, you already get a dockstar. with 4 times the RAM and enough flash to install debian. no WLAN tho |
| 16:45.33 | zitter | yeah, 40€ is good |
| 16:45.54 | schmack | wols: ok i understand you, but i can't remember now, which file in /etc that can i echo enable disable kdm or gdm |
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| 16:46.32 | tweek_ | could someone take a look at an analogue screenshot and tell me if there's any valuable information at all there before i type it off? http://ompldr.org/vOHBqNQ/IMG_2260.png |
| 16:46.36 | wols | schmack: do you think I have a crystal ball which tells me which of the half dozen displaymanager debian provides you have installed? I told you exactly where to look for what |
| 16:46.39 | zitter | schmack, to enable gdm /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 16:46.59 | Bushmills | wols: i see them for about 70$ |
| 16:47.06 | schmack | kiddie |
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| 16:47.28 | dvs | tweek_: You Intel wireless is toast? |
| 16:47.37 | wols | Bushmills: locally media market sells them cheaper |
| 16:47.40 | rindolf | Hi all. How can I get <<apt-get -y dist-upgrade>> to update in batches? |
| 16:47.45 | Bushmills | though €/$ exchange rate changed. tp-links are more than 50$ now too |
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| 16:47.51 | tweek_ | dvs: not even the one i tried to set up as router |
| 16:47.51 | schmack | zitter: oh yes thanks |
| 16:47.58 | tweek_ | dvs: wait, what do you mean, toast? |
| 16:48.10 | tweek_ | dvs: you mean hardware fault? |
| 16:48.11 | zitter | schmack, yw :) |
| 16:48.11 | dvs | tweek_: Not working properly |
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| 16:48.17 | tweek_ | dvs: well yes |
| 16:48.17 | darkwood | man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 16:48.35 | darkwood | how to dismiss that, i set LC_ALL in /etc/default/locales |
| 16:48.50 | tweek_ | dvs: is there something useful for a bug report in there? |
| 16:48.59 | wols | !tell darkwood about locales |
| 16:49.06 | tweek_ | btw i couldn't even alt-print-reisub |
| 16:49.13 | Iridos | tweek_, "relevant for what" ... kernel panics while/after restarting the wirelss? |
| 16:49.16 | wols | tweek_: only if you see the full call stack |
| 16:49.35 | dvs | tweek_: What wireless model? |
| 16:49.59 | Iridos | and yeah... half is missing |
| 16:50.22 | Iridos | tweek_, that's causing a full kernel panic? |
| 16:50.24 | darkwood | wols, i use dpk... and file locales doesnt changes? |
| 16:50.25 | tweek_ | dvs: intel 3945 |
| 16:50.31 | inedit | I'm trying to set up password in grub and I get an error when `update-grub`: /etc/grub.d/01_password: 2: password: not found .any idea? its driving me crazy |
| 16:50.32 | tweek_ | tried to connect to an ad-hoc network |
| 16:50.37 | tweek_ | usually it works fine |
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| 16:51.02 | tweek_ | in which log would i look for the full trace? |
| 16:51.04 | Iridos | tweek_, can you reproduce and do you also have a wired ethernet connection? |
| 16:51.12 | tweek_ | Iridos: yes, yes |
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| 16:51.25 | Iridos | tweek_, yes about the kernel panic, too, or does the system stay up? |
| 16:51.53 | tweek_ | no, yes wired, yes reproduce, no, system is unresponsive even to alt-print-reisub |
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| 16:51.54 | inedit | i know the sintax in the file it's OK. it's like he recognize the 'password root 1234' not as configuration but as a command |
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| 16:52.07 | Iridos | tweek_, if the system keeps running you find the output with "dmesg"... ah.. |
| 16:52.13 | Iridos | !tell tweek_ about netconsole |
| 16:52.37 | tweek_ | Iridos: ok, i checked dmesg after reboot |
| 16:52.38 | Zvpun | Hi, does truecrypt require root privileges to mount a container file? |
| 16:53.00 | wols | Zvpun: mounting always requires root |
| 16:53.12 | tweek_ | Iridos: hm, problem is, my second laptop is headless, literally |
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| 16:53.24 | zitter | Bushmills, i'm seeing that router you suggested has 4 eth ports. if I can install debian there, is it possible to configure it as firewall, right? |
| 16:53.40 | inedit | Zvpun, yes |
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| 16:53.53 | wols | zitter: he didn't say you can install debian there |
| 16:54.03 | Bushmills | zitter: i'm not sure about debian. i'm running openwrt on it. |
| 16:54.06 | Zvpun | wols: well I can sshfs (ssh fuse mount) without root privileges, so I think you are wrong |
| 16:54.14 | tweek_ | oh wait, i can increase the console size if i disconnect my second monitor |
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| 16:54.17 | Zvpun | inedit: then why does it use fuse? |
| 16:54.18 | tweek_ | brb |
| 16:54.27 | zitter | ah, ok. what's openwrt btw? :) |
| 16:54.31 | Iridos | tweek_, dmesg only is the current buffer... you don't usually get the messages from a kernel panic anywhere... (that's why you need something like netconsole) |
| 16:54.40 | Bushmills | zitter: /j #openwrt |
| 16:54.45 | inedit | Zvpun, pmount its a command that allows you to mount devices ( like usb stikcs ) in user mode |
| 16:54.46 | tweek_ | Iridos: ah ok thanks |
| 16:54.47 | zitter | yeah |
| 16:54.51 | Iridos | tweek_, doesn't matter much... then write the netconsole output to a file |
| 16:55.15 | inedit | because is running like a server with privileges |
| 16:55.24 | Bushmills | zitter: and yes, suited as firewall. iptables runs on it |
| 16:55.44 | wols | zitter: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 64112 2008-04-29 03:57 /bin/mount |
| 16:55.45 | Bushmills | is just a plain linux kernel. |
| 16:55.48 | Zvpun | inedit: no, my question is: can I mount a truecrypt container file without root privileges (like I can mount files with sshfs using fuse) |
| 16:55.49 | wols | oops. Zvpun: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 64112 2008-04-29 03:57 /bin/mount |
| 16:55.49 | inedit | Zvpun, I don't know if fuse works the same way. but you need root privileges for mounting devices |
| 16:55.51 | zitter | GNU/Linux power!!! |
| 16:56.30 | inedit | Zvpun, yeah. I understand the question. the answer is AFAIK: no |
| 16:56.59 | wols | inedit: fuse too, fuse can work however it wants but hanging in stuff into the filesystem requires root priviledges. if it's via suid root or real root calling mount is secondary |
| 16:57.02 | Zvpun | inedit, wols: that is really bad, since it means that I cant use my truecrypt container on machines at work/... |
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| 16:57.43 | wols | Zvpun: why don't you just try? |
| 16:57.49 | Zvpun | wols: but sshfs is -rwxr-xr-x where does sshfs get root privileges from? |
| 16:58.07 | Zvpun | wols: I tried and searched the web befor I came here, obviously. |
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| 16:59.20 | hotwings | i "upgraded" my packages (xorg was included) in debian testing... now when i try to sudo startx, i get xinit giving up, connection refused to X server. is there a logfile somewhere that says _why_ the connection was refused?? |
| 16:59.46 | wols | Zvpun: check permissions of fusermount |
| 16:59.52 | nevyn | hotwings: why are you running xinit with sudo? |
| 17:00.04 | nevyn | hotwings: and do you have xterm installed? |
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| 17:00.14 | wols | hotwings: Xorg.0.log, ~/.xsession-errors |
| 17:00.16 | Zvpun | wols: thank you, learned something. |
| 17:00.30 | hotwings | i dont use a gui.. this is a dedicated htpc, no desktop required btw |
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| 17:00.47 | wols | Zvpun: from what I just read, fuse allows mounting somehow if you are in the fuse usergroup |
| 17:00.55 | Qtronix | /var/log/X something i should thing |
| 17:01.00 | inedit | Zvpun: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TrueCrypt |
| 17:01.00 | wols | hotwings: why are you running X then? |
| 17:01.02 | Qtronix | think* |
| 17:01.09 | wols | hotwings: that is, an X server |
| 17:01.16 | inedit | Vzpun: read section "Mount volumes as a normal user" |
| 17:01.33 | hotwings | wols - vdr needs xine for video output. xine needs xorg. |
| 17:01.54 | inedit | Zvpun: you will need root access al least one time for configuring this |
| 17:02.03 | wols | hotwings: xine doesn't need an X server |
| 17:02.13 | wols | at least not on this machine |
| 17:02.41 | hotwings | if i could run xine in fullscreen mode and not have xorg installed at all, and still be able to use hdmi to my tv, then i would gladly throw xorg out |
| 17:03.20 | wols | so you do use a gui after all, just on your TV tho |
| 17:03.41 | hotwings | no.. the only gui of any kind i use is the OSD for vdr |
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| 17:05.04 | hotwings | theres also no keyboard, no mouse |
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| 17:06.00 | Bushmills | vdr doesn't list xine as dependency |
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| 17:06.22 | hotwings | because vdr doesnt depend on xine. the vdr-xine plugin does |
| 17:06.53 | abrakazam | hello. im having an issue with the grep command. i want to filter out some ip-addresses from a pretty huge logfile. but it will cut of the last part of the logfile |
| 17:06.58 | hotwings | no output plugin = no output... unless youre using a FF dvb card, which i stopped doing a long time ago |
| 17:07.38 | Bushmills | no other player usable? one which can output to frame buffer console? |
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| 17:08.04 | Bushmills | or aalib/caca :) |
| 17:08.35 | hotwings | i have no clue what a frame buffer is. or if its usable in my setup.. nvidia card w/vdpau is what i use for my video |
| 17:08.57 | hotwings | but, i have never heard of a aalib or caca output plugin for vdr |
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| 17:09.38 | dokma | abrakazam: sounds strange... never had an issue with grep not going all the way to the EOF... |
| 17:09.49 | mynameistux | Trying to install a new network card, I think I've got it configured, but when starting networking I can't get an IP from DHCP server. However, it's looking for the DHCP server at 225.225.225.225, but my DHCP server is my router at 192.168.1.1 , How do I make it look for DHCP in the right place? |
| 17:10.01 | abrakazam | dokma: first time for me too... :) |
| 17:10.15 | hotwings | this is getting pretty far away from my problem though... which is why the connection is being refused. theres no .xsession-errors and a 0 byte .Xauthority in root ~ |
| 17:10.27 | dokma | abrakazam: when saying filter out are you actually trying to remove ips?? |
| 17:10.35 | dvs | mynameistux: What does "ip link" say? |
| 17:10.53 | abrakazam | dokma: yes, i have some ips frequently connecting, which i dont want to see all the time |
| 17:11.15 | abrakazam | http://pastebin.com/7tKiEzXu |
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| 17:11.23 | dokma | abrakazam: you should then use apache to filter them out so they don't even enter the logs |
| 17:11.34 | mynameistux | uhm, I can't copy all that |
| 17:11.38 | abrakazam | dokma: yeah....but its a minecraft server :P |
| 17:11.43 | dvs | !tell mynameistux about paste |
| 17:11.44 | dokma | but in your situation I would sed -i 'd/ip/' log.txt |
| 17:11.46 | mynameistux | because I don't have networkig, I can't copy paste |
| 17:11.56 | dokma | what's minecraft? |
| 17:12.06 | abrakazam | dokma: some indie game |
| 17:12.17 | dvs | mynameistux: Ok, how many eth# entries are there? |
| 17:12.42 | mynameistux | eth1: <broadcast,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfio_fast stat UNKNOWN qlen 100 |
| 17:12.45 | dokma | abrakazam: well... try the sed trick anyway |
| 17:12.53 | mynameistux | *qlen 1000 |
| 17:12.54 | abrakazam | dokma: thanks for the tip, will try that and come back if it wont work :) |
| 17:13.22 | mynameistux | I have eth0 which is onboard and eth1 which is a PCI-e card, this is the one I want to use |
| 17:15.11 | dvs | mynameistux: Which one is configured in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 17:15.15 | mynameistux | installed the card using this http://forums.hardwaresecrets.com/installing-realtek-rtl8111/3906?s=54601af5ec9ee62636d482bf1fa42193& |
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| 17:15.43 | mynameistux | I have both cards configured |
| 17:15.54 | dvs | and they both use dhcp? |
| 17:15.55 | mynameistux | do I just remove the entry for eth0? |
| 17:15.57 | vanguard | how can I install pavucontrol by downloading all packages manually? I cannot get to the archive server |
| 17:15.57 | mynameistux | yeah |
| 17:16.11 | dvs | mynameistux: at least remove the "auto eth0" line |
| 17:16.30 | dvs | or comment out |
| 17:16.49 | mynameistux | dine |
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| 17:16.54 | mynameistux | sone |
| 17:16.57 | mynameistux | done |
| 17:17.02 | mynameistux | ugh, fail typing |
| 17:17.04 | mynameistux | same error |
| 17:17.20 | buntunub | hi guys.. i am trying to write a bash script to do simple updates.. does anyone have a reference to point me towards for doing this? |
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| 17:17.33 | dvs | mynameistux: then "ifdown eth0; ifdown eth1; ifup eth1" |
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| 17:17.50 | vanguard | how can I tunnel my apt connection so that I can get out of this wifi? |
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| 17:18.38 | I_Died_Once | ok, heres an odd problem... installing debian lenny to a netbook via a PXE boot ordeal... boots into the installer with no problems... then, during the installer, it tells me it cannot detect the ethernet card |
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| 17:18.47 | mynameistux | same error |
| 17:19.21 | dvs | mynameistux: What kind is the new PCI-e card? |
| 17:19.32 | zhojang | #flood |
| 17:19.32 | dvs | bets on ralink |
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| 17:21.04 | mynameistux | it's a realtek |
| 17:21.11 | mynameistux | I THINK I might have found the error |
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| 17:21.31 | mynameistux | in the way I installed the driver |
| 17:22.15 | wols | there is no way to install a driver since debian already comes with one. you need to install non-free firmware tho |
| 17:22.26 | dvs | !prize wols |
| 17:22.26 | dpkg | gives wols a medal. |
| 17:23.03 | dvs | mynameistux: more specifically, is the firmware-realtek package installed? |
| 17:23.35 | wols | dvs: what scares me more is that he installed a driver. probably some POS from realtek.com.tw |
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| 17:23.41 | wols | which fubars everything it touches |
| 17:23.50 | mynameistux | what is the command to see if it is? |
| 17:24.09 | wols | mynameistux: there are no magical commands |
| 17:24.33 | mynameistux | this is linux, everything is a magical command |
| 17:24.34 | nevyn | mynameistux: dpkg -l fimrware-realtek |
| 17:24.48 | nevyn | except with the package name spelt right. |
| 17:25.12 | mynameistux | no packages found |
| 17:25.19 | mynameistux | with it spelt correctly :P |
| 17:25.31 | lastnode | !xorg |
| 17:25.31 | dpkg | X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian <Etch>. The release packaged for Squeeze is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:25.36 | lastnode | oops sorry |
| 17:25.42 | mynameistux | can I apt-get it (if I have internet acess) |
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| 17:25.48 | wols | nevyn: if he followed the howto linked above, he installed malware frm ftp://202.65.194.211/cn/nic/r8168-8.008.00.tar.bz2 and compiled a module |
| 17:25.58 | wols | !tell mynameistux about firmware |
| 17:26.01 | nevyn | eww. |
| 17:26.15 | mynameistux | wait that was malware? |
| 17:26.17 | mynameistux | IT'S A TRAP |
| 17:26.22 | mynameistux | and I'm a fail enduser |
| 17:26.36 | wols | firmware-realtek is in non-free mynameistux. and for removing the shit you installed with this howto, you are on your own. no clue what it does and I don't care either |
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| 17:26.55 | lastnode | im running squeze inside virtualbox and the highest reso is 800x600 |
| 17:26.58 | lastnode | how/where can i chagne that? |
| 17:27.13 | mynameistux | this is what I get for blindly running bullshit guides on the internet |
| 17:27.20 | wols | lastnode: install the virtualbox extensions. to know what that is, ask virtualbox folks |
| 17:27.22 | thewanderer1 | hi, I'm trying to run a game based on ioquake3 (SDL) in an i386 chroot on an amd64 system. I have the nvidia-glx installed, and the host/chroot versions match, but instead of a nice GLX display, I get this error: http://paste.debian.net/117039/ |
| 17:27.29 | nevyn | mynameistux: "hardwaresecrets" is not authorative on how to fix debian |
| 17:27.34 | lastnode | thanks wols |
| 17:27.47 | mynameistux | I'll reinstall, and apt-get the nonfree package firmware-realtek |
| 17:27.49 | wols | mynameistux: it won't actively destroy your system, but as usual for vendor supplied drivers, the qualits is nonexistant |
| 17:28.10 | nevyn | mynameistux: vendor drivers on linux are generally aweful. |
| 17:28.19 | mynameistux | oh, it's not activly malicious |
| 17:28.33 | nevyn | mynameistux: well. depends on your opinion |
| 17:28.46 | mynameistux | really bad software is not malicious, it's just really bad |
| 17:28.47 | mynameistux | lol |
| 17:28.47 | wols | thewanderer1: is /proc and /dev present inside the crhoot? and if it uses mesa, why does it speak about framebuffer in that paste? |
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| 17:29.23 | nevyn | mynameistux: if it eats your data because it's crap or it eats your data because it's malicious at the end of the day it still ate your data |
| 17:29.25 | wols | mynameistux: there is no difference. bot malicious software and really really bad software when it's ring0 software destroys systems |
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| 17:29.40 | mynameistux | is there a command that outputs the running kernel modules so I can rmmod it? |
| 17:29.40 | UserReg_CL | hi.. need install quota and samba ... |
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| 17:29.48 | lastnode | any idea why virtualbox wont capture page up page down, wols? is that an extensiont oo? |
| 17:29.51 | nevyn | mynameistux: rmmoding it is not enough |
| 17:29.52 | lastnode | mynameistux: lsmod |
| 17:29.58 | wols | UserReg_CL: then do it! isn't user empowerment great? |
| 17:30.17 | anima- | lastnode, why dont you goto the virtualbox channel |
| 17:30.28 | lastnode | yeah, that would make sense |
| 17:30.30 | lastnode | thanks anima- |
| 17:30.32 | thewanderer1 | wols: /proc and /dev are both mounted (/dev is --bind). it uses NVIDIA GLX, I don't know how it relates to mesa. also, I believe it speaks about framebuffer since SDL tries to fall back to FB when GLX fails, and why it fails I don't know... |
| 17:30.35 | wols | lastnode: no. mouse capture is, but not keyboard stuff except a few "system ones". I guess your keymap or such inside the VM is set up incorrectly |
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| 17:30.51 | anima- | my computer is on fire and its running debian, can you help me put it out .... |
| 17:31.08 | djura-san | o/ |
| 17:31.09 | cahoot | do not open windows |
| 17:31.31 | wols | thewanderer1: it doesn't mention mesa at all. I doubt it's a fallback |
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| 17:32.00 | inedit | anima-, aptitude install firefighters |
| 17:32.00 | vanguard | how can I get a list of all dependencies for a package? |
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| 17:32.19 | wols | vanguard: apt-rdepends |
| 17:32.21 | inedit | vanguard aptitude search package |
| 17:32.24 | thewanderer1 | wols: well, it says "...loading libGL.so.1:", but after that, it's "No protocol specified"... strange, since I have copied .Xauthority to the chroot |
| 17:32.24 | anima- | lol inedit |
| 17:32.47 | vanguard | wols: I do not have apt-rdepends |
| 17:32.50 | wols | thewanderer1: DISPLAY is set, and the X server accepts connections? |
| 17:32.58 | wols | !installit |
| 17:32.58 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 17:33.09 | thewanderer1 | wols: oh hmm, that might be it... it works after `xhost +`... |
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| 17:33.52 | inedit | I'm trying to set up password in grub and I get an error when `update-grub`: /etc/grub.d/01_password: 2: password: not found. any idea? its driving me crazy |
| 17:33.54 | thewanderer1 | ok, now what should I do, besides copying over .Xauthority? I think it used to work with just this file copied over |
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| 17:35.25 | mynameistux | is firmware-realtek on the install CD? |
| 17:35.40 | thewanderer1 | wols: DISPLAY is set, but the X server apparently refuses connections, despite having copied .Xauthority |
| 17:35.46 | mynameistux | and if not, why not, seems like a pretty important package |
| 17:35.52 | mynameistux | imho |
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| 17:36.40 | wols | mynameistux: it's not cause it's not free software in any shape or form. hence "non-free" |
| 17:36.54 | lastnode | mynameistux: debian only ships free as in speech software |
| 17:36.54 | wols | so it can never be in debian and definitely never be on the first install CD |
| 17:36.59 | lastnode | what wols said |
| 17:37.03 | mynameistux | ohright, if it's non free then I understand |
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| 17:38.27 | mynameistux | it goes against the debian and FOSS philosophy |
| 17:39.26 | lastnode | yeah, against the social contract |
| 17:39.29 | lastnode | http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 17:39.51 | PhoenixSTF | heelo m8s, i got a bit a problem, i am trying to install debian 6 amd 64 on a sempron skt:AM2, but it ggives me that it cant find a suitable kernel to install..... |
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| 17:41.06 | cahoot | thewanderer1: this bug affecting you? http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/825784 |
| 17:41.10 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: does X server listen to tcp? |
| 17:41.16 | mynameistux | how do I tell apt that I want it to access non-free sources? is it in /etc/apt/software.sources ? |
| 17:41.33 | lastnode | !sources |
| 17:41.33 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:41.34 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: no, it never did... |
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| 17:42.06 | wols | !tell mynameistux about non-free |
| 17:42.10 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: enable it. |
| 17:42.12 | thewanderer1 | also, I am using gdm version 2 I believe |
| 17:42.21 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: why? it's all done locally O.o |
| 17:42.29 | Bushmills | unless you tunnel ... ah.. |
| 17:42.53 | thewanderer1 | but... maybe it's really gdm's fault, I'll try with KDM |
| 17:42.56 | thewanderer1 | brb |
| 17:43.18 | hotwings | how do you create a new .Xauthority for root? when i delete the file and startx, it just makes a 0 byte file and xinit still fails due to cant connect |
| 17:44.10 | cahoot | use sux? |
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| 17:45.36 | thewanderer1 | oh. of course it was gdm's fault! thanks guys! |
| 17:45.37 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: what you mean by "copying .Xauthority" ... did you set environmental variable XAUTHORITY to path and file name? |
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| 17:45.58 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: I just did cp ~/.Xauthority /mnt/chroot/home/thewanderer/ |
| 17:46.30 | thewanderer1 | it works like a charm with kdm, though |
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| 17:50.28 | wols | !pera_ Hunter, Stephen - [Bob Lee Swagger - the 47t] - H Samurai (html).rar |
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| 17:55.35 | Nu^253r | hi |
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| 17:55.55 | Nu^253r | where is the grub menu list ? |
| 17:56.30 | hotwings | /boot/grub/grub.cfg if using grub2, otherwise /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:57.13 | Nu^253r | i am grub2 hotwings |
| 17:57.20 | Nu^253r | but there is no menu.lst |
| 17:57.54 | hotwings | grub2 doesnt use menu.lst, it uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 17:57.56 | Nu^253r | grub-install (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-14 |
| 17:57.57 | hotwings | which is a generated file |
| 17:58.01 | Nu^253r | this is grub 2 right? |
| 17:58.17 | hotwings | if you have grub-pc installed, youre using grub2 |
| 17:59.04 | Nu^253r | thanx hotwings |
| 17:59.19 | hotwings | youre welcome |
| 17:59.34 | hotwings | you know how to create a new .Xauthority for root by any chance? |
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| 18:02.57 | Nu^253r | hotwings `' doesnt startx do that? |
| 18:03.18 | cahoot | hotwings: why not use sux? |
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| 18:04.09 | hotwings | startx only makes an empty file. never heard of sux before |
| 18:05.12 | hotwings | i cant get startx to work at all after this package "upgrade" |
| 18:05.19 | cahoot | hotwings: you don't really want to run x as root? |
| 18:05.34 | marsfligth | Does exist a "BASH completion" function that works like "word prediction" in Open Office or in Kate editor or in Google suggest function keeping as well the "TAB completion" function active? |
| 18:05.50 | hotwings | i couldnt care less if x runs as root. its less hassle so i really dont want to start screwing around more then i have to |
| 18:06.09 | hotwings | this box is a dedicated htpc without a desktop.. i couldnt care less about "security" and all this crap to be honest.. |
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| 18:06.59 | Nu^253r | hotwings `' try fix-vesa |
| 18:07.04 | Nu^253r | maybe that works |
| 18:07.33 | hotwings | i think i made a valid .Xauthority now but god damn xinit still wont start |
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| 18:08.41 | Nu^253r | sorry hotwings my knowledge is inferior cant help, wait for the gurus to come |
| 18:08.49 | mynameistux | did a reinstall, activated non-free, installed the firmware-realtek package, STILL no dice |
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| 18:10.15 | lastnode | mynameistux: does lsmod show the kernel module? |
| 18:12.43 | mynameistux | which module? |
| 18:12.46 | mynameistux | what should it be called? |
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| 18:13.32 | mynameistux | I'm seeing r8169 used 0 |
| 18:13.52 | mynameistux | the controller is a 8168B though |
| 18:14.22 | mynameistux | does the used by 0 mean it's not being used? |
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| 18:14.39 | dvs | mynameistux: from lsmod? That means it's loaded. |
| 18:14.46 | mynameistux | ok, then yes it's loaded |
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| 18:15.40 | mynameistux | but it's the wrong number |
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| 18:16.12 | mynameistux | should be r8168B instead of r8169 |
| 18:16.33 | dvs | !r8169 |
| 18:16.33 | dpkg | r8169 is the Realtek RTL8169/8168/8101 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. A regression was found with this driver in the <6.0.1> point release (Debian bug #619173) and fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.32-32, see <proposed-updates>. See also <rtl8168d>. |
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| 18:24.22 | Raccoon1400 | I'm currently using arch, but I want to switch to something a bit more stable. Since the stable branch has a slow release cycle, I was looking at testing. How reliable is testing compared to arch? |
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| 18:25.35 | pretend0 | can i add to a partition or do i need to partition all over again ? |
| 18:25.49 | UserReg_CL | hi friend... one question... if add to fstab ',usrquota,grpquota' need reboot system? |
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| 18:27.28 | dvs | UserReg_CL: a remount at the very least |
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| 18:28.10 | Raccoon1400 | pretend0: with gparted you should be able to resize and move partitions without reformating |
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| 18:29.39 | pretend0 | thanks alot Raccoon1400 |
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| 18:33.37 | gnarface | pretend0: be careful. the process has risks |
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| 18:34.49 | UserReg_CL | dvs : mount -a work ? |
| 18:35.36 | dvs | UserReg_CL: if it isn't mounted already |
| 18:36.40 | mynameistux | ok, different question. What brand of ethernet controller can I buy that will have native support already inbuilt into the kernel >< |
| 18:37.15 | dvs | mynameistux: Intel |
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| 18:37.38 | UserReg_CL | dvs: this my old line fstab: UUID=34384b13-1b34-4c10-81b2-5be6028a2db8 /home ext4 defaults 0 2 |
| 18:37.48 | mynameistux | the only one of those I've been able to find was TWICE the price of a realtek one |
| 18:37.52 | mynameistux | :'( |
| 18:38.08 | UserReg_CL | and change default by defaults,usrquota,grpquota |
| 18:38.16 | UserReg_CL | (have raid 1) |
| 18:38.29 | dvs | UserReg_CL: i'd reboot |
| 18:39.29 | gnarface | mynameistux: if you don't need gigabit, those linksys 10/100 cards based on the tulip driver (ancient and quite stable in the kernel) are usually only like 20$ if you can still find them |
| 18:39.37 | pretend0 | if i make a swap space? i can unmount the partitions i need to increase? |
| 18:39.46 | UserReg_CL | dvs: ok... then reboot... thank... |
| 18:40.14 | gnarface | mynameistux: i bought a lot of those back in the day because they're stable even if you stick 5 of them in the same machine... not something you can always trust a fancier ethernet card to do with older crappier motherboards |
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| 18:40.26 | dvs | np |
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| 18:42.44 | mynameistux | need gigabit, but I'll pay the money for the intel card. It supports teaming, so if I one day need dual gigabit , I can get a new motherboard with more PCI-E slots, get another card, and team them |
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| 18:43.54 | marsfligth | Does exist a "BASH completion" function that works like Google suggest offering completion taking command lines from "bash history"? Thanks |
| 18:44.35 | mynameistux | marsfligth: if that exsists I want to know about it as well |
| 18:44.55 | PhoenixSTF | guys i am having some trouble to install debian squeeze amd64 on a box, it says that no suitable kernel was found, any advice??? |
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| 18:45.49 | jemadux | hi ...i installed debian testing and my keyboard not working in gui ... |
| 18:45.59 | DetroitLibertyPe | any idea why update manager always says it cannot download the description of changes? |
| 18:46.10 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: sounds like your mirror location is wrong? |
| 18:46.13 | jemadux | mow i am in tty and with irssi |
| 18:46.36 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, i am trying to install from a pen witouth connection to the internet |
| 18:46.42 | pretend0 | is there a linux program that can mount iso's? emulated drive? |
| 18:46.46 | jpalecek | marsfligth: aren't you satisfied with C-r or M-p? |
| 18:46.48 | marsfligth | mynameistux: I think that it exsist. If you use Kate editor or Open Office they already have this function |
| 18:46.55 | ompaul | marsfligth: ehh, tell me, CTRL-R on the bash command line is useful as is double tab when you have a partial program name or file name |
| 18:47.09 | gnarface | pretend0: that is a standard feature of mount if you have the loopback module loaded |
| 18:47.25 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, should i change my location even if only from usb? |
| 18:47.27 | jelly-home | pretend0: linux allows that by default. |
| 18:47.38 | pretend0 | cool thanks |
| 18:47.42 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: uh... not thats weird. are you sure its an amd64 computer? |
| 18:47.52 | jelly-home | pretend0: mount -o loop /path/to/foo.iso /some/mountpoint |
| 18:48.05 | PhoenixSTF | sempron sda3500iaa2cn |
| 18:48.29 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, the cpu supports 64 the mb is a asus m2a-vm |
| 18:48.53 | pretend0 | jelly-home: some/mountpoint = /media/cd?? |
| 18:48.56 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, trying to install a ubuntu server just to check if it goes with amd64 |
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| 18:49.09 | pretend0 | anything i want? |
| 18:49.11 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, but i am pretty sure it handles 64 |
| 18:49.27 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: yes, that chip should. the error message you're getting is unexpected to me. |
| 18:49.54 | jelly-home | pretend0: you can mount it anywhere you want |
| 18:49.58 | marsfligth | jpalecek: what are exactly C-r and M-p? |
| 18:50.26 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, bummer :) thanks anyway m8, i think ill try to change the local to US instead of PT, and maybe a CD instead of the usb |
| 18:50.28 | jelly-home | pretend0: but yeah, if you have a /media/cd directory already present it sounds reasonable |
| 18:50.53 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: if its booting i can't imagine what the problem could be but... |
| 18:51.12 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: you get through the whole configuration and then when it goes to install the kernel at the end it says "no suitable kernel found" ? |
| 18:51.16 | pretend0 | okay thanks and is there any programs to view system temps? |
| 18:51.38 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, its installing ubuntu, when its finish ill tell you if it boots... |
| 18:51.46 | dvs | pretend0: sensors |
| 18:51.57 | gnarface | pretend0: you want to check out sensors (or xsensors) from the lm-sensors package |
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| 18:52.25 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: oh, so "no suitable kernel found" was a message you were getting from squeeze at boot time, not during the install? |
| 18:52.29 | abstrakt | I can't get this /etc/init.d/foo script to start on boot |
| 18:52.34 | abstrakt | sudo service foo start |
| 18:52.42 | abstrakt | works just fine, as does stop, start and all the other commands I wrote for it |
| 18:52.43 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, no it was during the install at the end of it |
| 18:52.59 | abstrakt | sudo update-rc.d foo defaults seems to have worked properly |
| 18:53.03 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, something that it wasent found on apt sources or something |
| 18:53.06 | abstrakt | but, i still get no foo on boot |
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| 18:53.28 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, the ubuntu is just to check if it boots amd64... |
| 18:53.32 | abstrakt | how can I debug this? where would I go to find th log messages for the /etc/init.d startup scripts? |
| 18:53.44 | abstrakt | and is it easy or possible to isolate just the messages that came from my foo script |
| 18:53.52 | abstrakt | echo /var/log/syslog | grep foo |
| 18:53.53 | abstrakt | maybe? |
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| 18:54.36 | pretend0 | already had it haha |
| 18:54.43 | pretend0 | thx |
| 18:54.54 | dvs | np |
| 18:55.28 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: OH!. are you trying to install the businesscard or netboot iso to a computer without a network connection!? that would do that.... |
| 18:55.59 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, lol no m8 even worst its the full 700mg iso, complete cd |
| 18:56.41 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 18:56.47 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: so weird. and you got the md5 sum from it confirmed? |
| 18:57.03 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, how do i do that? |
| 18:57.03 | marsfligth | jpalecek: Please, can you tell me a bit more about what "C-r and M-p"? Thanks, to me it is very important |
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| 18:57.39 | pretend0 | one more question. is there a prog like conky or does it work |
| 18:58.30 | ompaul | pretend0: conky does what exactly? |
| 18:58.46 | pretend0 | displays system stats on the desktop |
| 18:59.04 | ompaul | ,versions conky |
| 18:59.06 | judd | Package conky on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.0-2; squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1; sid/contrib: 1.8.0-1.1; wheezy/contrib: 1.8.0-1.1 |
| 18:59.17 | pretend0 | i cant seem to find it |
| 18:59.18 | ompaul | I guess it's there ;-) |
| 18:59.24 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, it boots 64 |
| 18:59.31 | ompaul | you need the contrib repo |
| 18:59.38 | pretend0 | how |
| 18:59.40 | ompaul | dpkg: tell pretend0 about contrib |
| 18:59.41 | pretend0 | which |
| 18:59.54 | nsadmin | how pow cow sow? |
| 18:59.57 | pretend0 | im on testing |
| 19:00.02 | ompaul | pretend0: go read the message from dpkg |
| 19:00.05 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: you would run "md5sum debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso" and compare the output to the md5sum number provided wherever you downloaded the image |
| 19:00.34 | ompaul | pretend0: hang on, you don't know about repos and you want to run testing, you are asking for grief |
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| 19:00.54 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: if they did not match this would be a good indicator that the image was corrupted when you downloaded it, but that doesn't eliminate the possibility that the image is failing to read from your usb key due to some hardware defect. |
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| 19:01.09 | ompaul | pretend0: read the message I had dpkg send you |
| 19:01.11 | pretend0 | well people else wear suggested this i know about repos |
| 19:01.15 | pretend0 | i see it |
| 19:01.37 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: its still kinda weird sounding to me. i haven't used the full install disk but myself i'd boot it in expert mode and make sure it was actually trying to get the kernel off the local disk in the first place... for all i know it could try getting one from the net by default (i just don't know) |
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| 19:02.20 | pretend0 | i did it bcuz my gcard |
| 19:02.23 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, md5 checks, its ok |
| 19:02.25 | pretend0 | they told me squeeze was out dated |
| 19:02.47 | pretend0 | guess i shouldent listen to ppl<M |
| 19:02.51 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, well i tryied to do a unetbootin pen boot of the iso |
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| 19:03.24 | dvs | pretend0: What graphics card? |
| 19:03.32 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, have you got any other way to make a bootable pen for debian? |
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| 19:04.01 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: what does that mean, exactly unetbootin? the new debian 6 isos should be able to be copied to a usb key directly (like with dd) without additional mangling like in the old days |
| 19:04.12 | pretend0 | dvs: 5770 radeon hd |
| 19:04.30 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: literally it should be as simple now as dd if=[your iso] of=[your usb key device] |
| 19:04.39 | dvs | pretend0: A backported kernel would have worked. |
| 19:04.41 | pretend0 | ATI Technologies Inc Juniper [Radeon HD 5700 Series] |
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| 19:05.22 | dvs | the squeeze kernel would have worked with that. |
| 19:05.44 | pretend0 | could someone send me a sourcelist that is |
| 19:05.53 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, oh.. so you can do it like that? |
| 19:05.56 | pretend0 | it did |
| 19:06.08 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, ok let me try... |
| 19:06.17 | pretend0 | but the hardware acceleration wasnt working was really slow |
| 19:06.18 | dvs | !tell pretend0 -about backports |
| 19:06.18 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: yea. neat huh? if you followed some dated howto that only applied to making an older version of debian bootable before they made the cd isos into universal format, i could totally see how that could cause a bug like this |
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| 19:07.14 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, ok i should format the iso in vfat 32, install syslinux??? |
| 19:07.33 | dvs | pretend0: You need the firmware-linux-nonfree package as well |
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| 19:07.48 | rudypend | I installed debian, but now windows xp is not listed in grub |
| 19:07.55 | rudypend | how can I add xp to grub? |
| 19:07.58 | pretend0 | Do not include testing or unstable in "/etc/apt/sources.list". great |
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| 19:08.13 | pretend0 | update-grub ithink |
| 19:08.22 | pretend0 | dont listn to me |
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| 19:08.51 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, just get me the hints how to get get it on pen |
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| 19:09.31 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: no no no. you don't have to do anything special to the cd iso anymore to make it bootable on a usb pen. its fancy now. just do: dd if=debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb (or whatever your usb key is showing up as) |
| 19:09.34 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: get it? |
| 19:09.59 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, ??? that is kind of very simple |
| 19:10.05 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: no shit |
| 19:10.06 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, yah im gonna try |
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| 19:10.27 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: that will format it implicitly. anything else on that usb key will be gone. just fyi |
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| 19:10.46 | pretend0 | what should i do ? my sources.list is testing should i go back to squeeze? |
| 19:11.16 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, lol i got like 4 more other pens, this one is just for the crap i make :) |
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| 19:11.55 | gnarface | pretend0: its not safe to go backwards once you've already installed |
| 19:11.57 | dvs | pretend0: You have to reinstall if you want stable again. |
| 19:12.01 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, do you know if xen 4.0 can handle bsd on paraV? |
| 19:12.22 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: i do not know, unfortunately. |
| 19:13.20 | pretend0 | can i see add the contrib? |
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| 19:13.39 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, no worries, how about routing, firewall and trafic shapping? any software or dist you might recomend? |
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| 19:13.59 | gnarface | pretend0: yes, you can safely add contrib to an existing wheezy install, if that's what you meant to ask. pastebin your sources.list for me |
| 19:14.02 | dvs | pretend0: Yes, but it will be testing's contrib |
| 19:14.54 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: i very much like OpenBSD for firewalling using PF specifically for routing, firewalling and traffic shaping. mind you that is off topic for this channel. |
| 19:15.05 | pretend0 | http://tinypaste.com/73f98 |
| 19:15.12 | pretend0 | gnarface: http://tinypaste.com/73f98 |
| 19:15.36 | gnarface | uh |
| 19:15.44 | pretend0 | yea |
| 19:15.46 | gnarface | dvs: is there a security updates branch for testing? |
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| 19:16.14 | pretend0 | >< |
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| 19:16.50 | gnarface | pretend0: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free |
| 19:16.50 | gnarface | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free |
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| 19:17.09 | gnarface | add "contrib" in there between main and non-free. comment out the other lines |
| 19:17.17 | jelly-home | gnarface: there isn't |
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| 19:17.37 | gnarface | thanks jelly-home |
| 19:18.03 | en1gma | is there a easy program like live messenger or aim or gmail that can do group video chat for free? |
| 19:18.10 | pretend0 | in jsut the src? |
| 19:18.34 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, ok thanks m8, one more thing the normal install of debian 6, will it install gnome? if it does how do i get it bare install just shell and some services...? |
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| 19:19.48 | en1gma | anyone know? |
| 19:20.12 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: you can choose not to install the desktop environment |
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| 19:20.19 | pretend0 | gnarface: http://tinypaste.com/2b582 ? |
| 19:20.32 | gnarface | PhoenixSTF: i don't know what the default packages are for the "normal" install i always go into export mode and just install "base system" only then manually pick my window manager after install with apt-get |
| 19:21.15 | gnarface | pretend0: you have line 3 commented out and line 4 uncommented. lines 3 and 4 should both be uncommented, then it will be correct |
| 19:21.34 | dvs | gnarface: The repo exists but I don't think it's actively maintained |
| 19:21.39 | pretend0 | thank you gnar |
| 19:21.47 | PhoenixSTF | gnarface, thank m8 once again :) |
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| 19:21.55 | gnarface | np man. |
| 19:22.02 | gnarface | happy to be of service |
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| 19:22.55 | gnarface | and now i'm gonna go play video games |
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| 19:24.57 | ner0x | Is there a way to ensure I have 3d acceleration on with an nvidia card? |
| 19:25.03 | rapidx | Is it ok if I mount a device to /var/log? If so how much space should it be? |
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| 19:26.13 | gnarface | ner0x: glxinfo |grep direct -i |
| 19:26.30 | jmarsden | rapidx: You can make /var/log a separate disk partition if you want. How big depends on how much logging yo turn on and how busy your system is :) |
| 19:26.32 | nsadmin | or grep -i direct |
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| 19:28.07 | gnarface | ner0x: its worth noting though that if you install nvidia's binary drivers from their official installer instead of debian's package its easy to mangle the opengl libraries when upgrading mesa or xorg, which can leave you with a still working acceleration setup that's mysteriously very slow |
| 19:28.31 | rapidx | jmarsden: Thanks :) Silly question, doesn't the mounting have to be before the logging starts? I mean. When I boot the computer, some logging is made right? will it start after the mounting takes place? |
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| 19:29.17 | babilen | ner0x: You actually have to look at the complete output of glxinfo. Check that you have "direct rendering: Yes" and that "OpenGL renderer string:" is not "Software rasterizer", just checking the value of "direct rendering" is *not* enough |
| 19:29.56 | gnarface | babilen: will that catch cases where its inappropriately using the wrong opengl libraries? |
| 19:29.57 | jmarsden | rapidx: I don't think there is a problem there; I have some machines set up with /var/log as a separate partition... |
| 19:30.11 | Serpher | I'm trying to pick the right torrent to install the ISO file I want. I'm currenlty looking at "http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/bt-cd/" but I'm confused. Do I want CD-1? |
| 19:30.27 | jmarsden | rapidx: But I've not investigated exactly when the mount is done compared to when syslogd is started, etc. |
| 19:30.50 | babilen | gnarface: No idea, I never was so stupid to bork them by directly installing the ATI/NVIDIA driver |
| 19:30.51 | gnarface | rapidx: the system is smart enough to store text output in memory until the disks are available. you do not have to have /var/log in your root partition |
| 19:31.18 | dvs | Serpher: YOu can use the netinst if you have a working, wired, internet connection |
| 19:31.50 | Serpher | dvs: Is that the reccommended installation method? |
| 19:31.55 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:32.05 | rapidx | jmarsden: Great! Thanks again |
| 19:32.06 | dvs | Serpher: yes |
| 19:32.20 | jmarsden | rapidx: You're welcome. |
| 19:32.22 | Serpher | dvs: Thanks for your help. Got it downloading |
| 19:32.27 | dvs | np |
| 19:32.54 | ner0x | gnarface: babilen: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/104718 |
| 19:33.18 | babilen | ner0x: You don't have hardware 3D acceleration |
| 19:33.24 | gnarface | ner0x: yep. opengl vendor string: mesa progject |
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| 19:33.46 | ner0x | Hrm. How do I enable it? (New to debian and was used to the "Proprietary Drivers" application) |
| 19:33.52 | babilen | "OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer" |
| 19:34.18 | gnarface | babilen: it just means that what i warned him of is exactly what happened. mesa libraries are loading instead of nvidia's proprietary hardware accelerated ones |
| 19:34.37 | ner0x | So, what do I do to install. Not new to linux, just debian. |
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| 19:34.39 | gnarface | ner0x: if you have contrib and non-free branches enabled, you should just be able to apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 19:34.51 | babilen | !nvidia dkms |
| 19:34.51 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 19:34.57 | babilen | ner0x: Do that ^^^ |
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| 19:35.08 | ner0x | Let me add the sources real fast. |
| 19:35.08 | gnarface | ner0x: (assuming its a relatively recent card that is... there are legacy drivers in other packages for the old cards) |
| 19:35.30 | ner0x | New enough, I'm sure. |
| 19:35.41 | babilen | ner0x: Note that this might not work anymore if you installed the nvidia driver from the NVIDIA website as their installation is extremely buggy |
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| 19:36.00 | ner0x | babilen: I didn't just because of that very problem. |
| 19:36.04 | gnarface | babilen: i have been using nvidia cards for years. it will be fine. stop muddying the waters |
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| 19:36.23 | gnarface | babilen: nvidia's installer is very NOT buggy these days. |
| 19:36.29 | ner0x | Regardless I tend to use the systems way of doing it to stay zen. :) |
| 19:37.25 | ner0x | Will I need nvidia-kernel-common? |
| 19:37.40 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 19:37.55 | Arrowmaster | but installing nvidia-kernel-dkms will pull in everything else needed |
| 19:37.56 | gnarface | nvidia-glx should get it for you |
| 19:38.15 | Arrowmaster | glx is not tied to the kernel packages anymore afaik |
| 19:38.30 | gnarface | hmm. as of when? it was in squeeze just a week or two ago |
| 19:38.54 | gnarface | nvidia-glx got everything i thought |
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| 19:39.31 | ner0x | nvidia-glx pulls kernel-common vdpau-driver and suggests kernel-dkms |
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| 19:40.01 | ner0x | What is DKMS and do I need it/ |
| 19:40.09 | Arrowmaster | oh i was thinking of libgl1-nvidia-glx |
| 19:40.21 | Arrowmaster | dkms makes the required kernel module |
| 19:40.31 | pretend0 | i dont have a swap space thats bad huh?? |
| 19:40.42 | ner0x | Arrowmaster: libgl1-nvidia-glx is also pulled by nvidia-glx |
| 19:41.01 | ompaul | pretend0: I have seen worse decisions, but if you have ssd then you should not have it |
| 19:41.14 | pretend0 | seg |
| 19:41.17 | pretend0 | neg |
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| 19:41.28 | jelly-home | ner0x: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:41.34 | ner0x | 6.0.3a |
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| 19:41.55 | ner0x | Last question: Do I need the dkms package considering it is only suggested. |
| 19:41.59 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:42.10 | jelly-home | ner0x: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 19:42.44 | Arrowmaster | just install nvidia-kernel-dkms and it installs everything else |
| 19:42.45 | oldtopman | Now that there are more people here, I repeat my question. |
| 19:43.03 | jelly-home | ner0x: you need a package that will either bring or build the kernel part of the driver. nvidia-kernel-dkms is the simplest way to do that |
| 19:43.16 | pretend0 | can i add a swapspace? |
| 19:43.33 | gnarface | um |
| 19:43.34 | pretend0 | linux swap |
| 19:43.34 | gnarface | wait |
| 19:43.35 | pretend0 | i see it |
| 19:43.38 | pretend0 | nvm |
| 19:43.53 | gnarface | you don't need dkms and it is not the simplest way to do that. ner0x install nvidia-glx |
| 19:43.56 | oldtopman | I have a quad core AMD Processor. I downloaded Debian 6.0.1(64) and when I run it from its own bootloader, it KPs. In recovery mode, some (all normal) text scrools, and then it KPs. Ideas? |
| 19:44.30 | gnarface | oldtopman: remove 'quiet' from the default grub kernel command line |
| 19:44.33 | jelly-home | gnarface: nvidia-kernel-dkms pulls in nvidia-glx among other bits. |
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| 19:44.49 | gnarface | jelly-home: like what other bits? |
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| 19:44.51 | ner0x | Be right back. |
| 19:45.06 | oldtopman | gnarface: Doesn't the recovery mode do this automatically? |
| 19:45.08 | jelly-home | gnarface: it's not necessary to install nvidia-glx explicitely. In addition, installing just nvidia-glx doesn't install everything that's needed. |
| 19:45.22 | gnarface | oldtopman: don't actually know. possibly not though? |
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| 19:45.52 | oldtopman | gnarface: Removing quiet makes the text scroll right? |
| 19:46.01 | gnarface | jelly-home: then why isn't dkms marked required, and why do i never need it? and do you use nvidia hardware even? |
| 19:46.03 | jelly-home | gnarface: I don't remember exactly, basically just followed "nvidia dkms" factoid and that's it |
| 19:47.12 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: you either need to use dkms, compile the module from source (using module-assistant), or install one of the prebuilt modules if it exists for your kernel |
| 19:47.16 | gnarface | oldtopman: it allows like early kernel hardware/processor core detection messages and such to output. i've observed it to the real cause of kernel panics on my hardware since squeeze before |
| 19:47.18 | jelly-home | gnarface: I guess you're using the binary build packages, nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 19:47.44 | gnarface | jelly-home: it was my assumption that nvidia-glx gets the binary build package for you |
| 19:47.48 | Arrowmaster | dkms is the simplest one because it shouldnt require any additional action in the future |
| 19:48.08 | jelly-home | gnarface: don't assume, try |
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| 19:48.15 | netSys | hi |
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| 19:48.28 | gnarface | jelly-home: you missed the part about how i said i've only been using nvidia video cards for several years didn't you? |
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| 19:48.50 | gnarface | jelly-home: multiple systems |
| 19:48.54 | jelly-home | gnarface: yes. And optimal installation methodology changes. |
| 19:49.00 | Arrowmaster | nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-($VERSION) which will be either the prebuilt module or dkms, if there is no prebuilt module then it will install dkms |
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| 19:49.22 | gnarface | so installing nvidia-glx is appropriate advice |
| 19:49.22 | jelly-home | installing -dkms makes it safe to switch kernels |
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| 19:49.43 | gnarface | ah |
| 19:49.43 | netSys | I have a problem with locales. I'm use dpkg-reconfigure locales to add new locale supports. And I mounted usb msdos (fat32) and the names shorted. for example: debian-testing-DVD1.iso shorted to debi~.iso Can help me please? |
| 19:49.48 | themill | gnarface: didn't you also say that you normally used the nvidia installer not the debian packages? |
| 19:50.06 | gnarface | themill: just on this one machine i need the recent versions on |
| 19:50.19 | gnarface | i've got several others |
| 19:50.21 | jelly-home | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 19:50.23 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 270.41.06-1; wheezy/non-free: 270.41.06-1 |
| 19:50.42 | netSys | I'm using debian testing, and my default locale is en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 19:51.01 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: actually no because if you dont have the proper headers metapackage installed then dkms will need to download the headers instead of having them installed when the kernel is upgraded, if you dont have a net connection at that time it could be a major issue |
| 19:51.15 | pretend0 | hey how can i unmount my partitons to extend them? with gparted |
| 19:51.30 | Arrowmaster | thats why the nvidia dkms factoid has more than just 'aptitude install nvidia-kernel-dkms' |
| 19:52.21 | Iridos | pretend0, umount /path/to/partition |
| 19:52.31 | Iridos | i.e. mount point |
| 19:52.56 | pretend0 | if i un mount / will it still work? |
| 19:52.58 | jelly-home | pretend0: you can't use gparted if _any_ partitions on that disk are in use |
| 19:53.21 | Iridos | pretend0, you cannot, usually as it's being used by programs |
| 19:53.28 | jelly-home | pretend0: if oyu only have a single HDD with linux, you'll have to use a livecd or liveusb image |
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| 19:53.58 | pretend0 | mk |
| 19:54.23 | jelly-home | gparted has a livecd of their own |
| 19:54.34 | pretend0 | o rly |
| 19:54.41 | pretend0 | iso? |
| 19:54.46 | jelly-home | no, I'm just shittin ya |
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| 19:55.04 | pretend0 | :P |
| 19:55.08 | jelly-home | YA RLY, why else would I say it |
| 19:55.26 | gnarface | so if i don't have the nvidia dkms installed and i install a new kernel i have to re-install nvidia-glx manually? it won't upgrade it for me? |
| 19:55.30 | Iridos | because you'Re an effin liar, why else |
| 19:55.38 | Iridos | hehe |
| 19:55.38 | jelly-home | true |
| 19:55.52 | Iridos | you can't say that! it induces paradox |
| 19:55.58 | jelly-home | and the poor sods jsut trust anyone in irc |
| 19:56.16 | Iridos | gnarface, obviously |
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| 19:56.33 | gnarface | doesn't remember noticing that happen before |
| 19:56.58 | jelly-home | gnarface: you'd have to build the kernel bits again. "nvidia-glx" package stays as-is |
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| 19:57.05 | Iridos | perhaps you got dkms working :) |
| 19:57.17 | jelly-home | dkms just makes it easy to build those bits automatically |
| 19:57.28 | gnarface | or perhaps when i installed nvidia-glx dkms went in without me noticing |
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| 19:57.40 | Iridos | only if it works, though |
| 19:58.18 | pretend0 | they have bamboo flash drives at staples |
| 19:58.21 | jelly-home | pretend0: by now you've found http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php on your own |
| 19:58.48 | pretend0 | yes |
| 19:58.58 | pretend0 | http://gparted.sourceforge.net/liveusb.php |
| 19:59.16 | dvs | the Debian live CD doesn't have it? |
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| 20:01.51 | colona | hi, I have a problem with postfix (2.8.2-1+b1) on armel wheezy since I updated my system this morning, I can't receive emails anymore, I get an error when I try to send an email and my syslog is full of error messages which repeat every minutes : http://pastebin.com/fm9V4xG4 , does anyone know what to do ? |
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| 20:02.20 | jelly-home | colona: uname -a ? |
| 20:02.31 | colona | Linux xaero 2.6.36.2 #1 PREEMPT Sat Dec 11 06:38:22 MST 2010 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
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| 20:02.45 | jelly-home | that's new enough |
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| 20:03.18 | jelly-home | you're going to have to find out why getrlimit fails |
| 20:03.48 | jelly-home | colona: does "ulimit -a" in an interactive shell work? |
| 20:04.06 | colona | yeah |
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| 20:05.30 | jelly-home | and the values make sense? |
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| 20:06.46 | colona | I think : http://pastebin.com/tiebXE89 |
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| 20:08.38 | jelly-home | yeah, they do |
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| 20:10.23 | jelly-home | colona: you wouldn't have a filesystem for /usr mounted with nosuid? |
| 20:11.36 | colona | no |
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| 20:13.15 | tab1ta | hello |
| 20:13.27 | dvs | ciao |
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| 20:14.14 | tab1ta | i have a session crash at the moment |
| 20:14.16 | jelly-home | colona: I've no idea why both postdrop(8) and local(8) fail that way. Is that a vanilla kernel? |
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| 20:14.38 | tab1ta | cause i probably have messed up with the fstab |
| 20:14.46 | tab1ta | and a new partition |
| 20:15.05 | tab1ta | mounting the home directory in the new partition gives me the problem |
| 20:15.17 | tab1ta | it doesn't load the home files in the new partition and |
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| 20:16.02 | simonlnu | laggy server, bot kicking |
| 20:16.04 | colona | jelly-home: no idea, it’s a sheevahplug, the kernel is from there : http://sheeva.with-linux.com/sheeva/ |
| 20:16.14 | dvs | o_O |
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| 20:16.42 | dvs | notes the caveat of using enter too much |
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| 20:16.53 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 20:17.47 | simonlnu | i said that 'cause of the sudden join/parts, i interpreted it as laggy server (i don't have any) |
| 20:18.48 | jelly-home | colona: nothing obvious comes to mind |
| 20:19.23 | colona | I’ll post in the ML then, thanks anyway |
| 20:19.47 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 20:19.48 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:19.53 | jelly-home | colona: or that channel |
| 20:20.22 | colona | ok, thanks |
| 20:21.46 | tab1ta | http://paste.debian.net/plain/117051 |
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| 20:24.55 | _Dave123_ | I have got a debian (sun vbox) virtual machine, which I exported from system 1 to system 2. I selected "bridged" ( as on the old machine) as network mode. however, when I execute ifconfig I still only get lo as iface |
| 20:24.59 | _Dave123_ | what can I do ? |
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| 20:28.13 | alex4nder | hey |
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| 20:28.27 | jelly-home | _Dave123_: which virtual eth. model is configured? |
| 20:29.00 | jelly-home | _Dave123_: look at dmesg|grep -i eth, for a start |
| 20:29.38 | dvs | tab1ta: UUID=54997e6e-66b2-47b6-b50b-6f337ae73603 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
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| 20:30.46 | _Dave123_ | jelly-home: ok |
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| 20:31.34 | _Dave123_ | jelly-home: e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
| 20:31.46 | _Dave123_ | jelly-home: udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
| 20:31.52 | _Dave123_ | jelly-home: that's what I get |
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| 20:32.48 | tab1ta | o |
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| 20:34.52 | grosboulet | Hello |
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| 20:35.38 | grosboulet | I have upgrade lenny to squeeze, and now the touchpad work find, but without cursors... Who can help me ? |
| 20:36.54 | alex4nder | anyone else running into a udev race condition on a fast machine with SSD? |
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| 20:49.45 | thepro4ever | how do i do a diff between two files on debian |
| 20:49.54 | dvs | heh |
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| 20:53.20 | grosboulet | diff -uN file1 file2 |
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| 20:57.30 | u19809 | Hi all, I need to reinstall my system and want to recover all changes in /etc. What would be a good approach to acchieve this ? |
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| 21:08.41 | nsadmin | u19809, so restore from your backup |
| 21:09.18 | jelly-home | _Dave123_: right, read /msg dpkg 70 |
| 21:09.37 | u19809 | wouldn't it be dangerous to blindly copy over /etc ? The reinstall is in on a different hardware box so devices might be different |
| 21:09.41 | nsadmin | thepro4ever, when you read man diff, what did you find out and what didn't you understand? |
| 21:10.53 | nsadmin | u19809: this "different hardware box" has data on its disks? |
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| 21:11.01 | u19809 | not on the root partition. the /home is a different disk partition that can be recovered |
| 21:11.16 | jelly-home | u19809: well, fix all device references afterwards. It's not hard to grep -R /dev /etc |
| 21:11.43 | jelly-home | u19809: take special care of fstab and boot loader configuration |
| 21:12.02 | u19809 | yes but you might also have modules/aliases, you also have keys for openvpn that might not be really portable ... no ? |
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| 21:12.34 | u19809 | Also the /etc contains init.d which might have different boot scripts that might better be upgraded |
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| 21:13.23 | u19809 | I read that rpm has a 'check' mode which lists files that got changed from install. That could generate a list of things I modified over the years but I do not know if dpkg has an equivalent |
| 21:13.47 | u19809 | This way I can install a clean system and only upgrade (by hand and with care) things I would like to recover |
| 21:14.48 | jelly-home | u19809: oh, you're not recovering the exact same versions of packages? |
| 21:15.36 | u19809 | I have had my system quite a few years and upgraded over time and wish now to create a clean install with changes. |
| 21:16.22 | rapidx | jmarsden: Do I just edit fstab and mount the drive on /var/log and reboot? Or do I have to somehow copy everything, or use single user mode? |
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| 21:17.00 | Bushmills | u19809: i |
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| 21:17.44 | Bushmills | sry .. let installation put new config files into /etc, then diff against your old ones, or import them one by one |
| 21:18.24 | nsadmin | if you're copying partitions for the purpose of installing and running, yes you will need single-user mode, and you can probably mount things if it turns out you don't need to copy |
| 21:18.27 | Bushmills | as it sounds you reinstall for cleaning up your old installation |
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| 21:21.38 | nsadmin | debian's flavor of single-user mode is not sufficient (and not actually "single user mode") as it runs daemons, which (1) cause logs to be written and (2) make the partitions busy so they can't be unmounted |
| 21:22.02 | u19809 | bushmills : correct ... yes that might be a good idea. install diff and copy over the things I want/need |
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| 21:26.02 | lapsusbrutus | guys, will nessus run well on a virtual machine you think? |
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| 21:51.25 | Logit | hi |
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| 21:52.38 | lighta | hi guys, I'm searching the package name for cli autocompletion, any idea ? |
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| 21:53.47 | Bushmills | bash-completion? |
| 21:54.07 | Logit | I updated xserver and I have a problem with xorg. The mouse and keyboard aren't detected. I searched in google and not found information. My xorg.conf has got Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off" (Before run this) But, now I don't understand this |
| 21:54.44 | jelly-home | judd: versions libperl5.14 |
| 21:54.44 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libperl5.14' was found in i386. |
| 21:54.44 | Logit | Only move mouse if plugin USB mouse |
| 21:55.29 | Bushmills | and no mouse plugged in results on no mouse movements? |
| 21:56.03 | Logit | no mouse movements, so only movement if i connect usb mouse. I have netbook and psmouse module is loaded |
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| 21:56.52 | Bushmills | ah. no touchpad?` |
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| 21:58.42 | Logit | not, When I installed debian testing on my netbook occurred the same problem. I did enter to chroot and install xserver-xorg-input-kdb and -mouse, too load psmouse and configure the xorg.conf for typing and move the mouse |
| 21:58.46 | kaustuv_ | Installing testing fails at the grub stage because, apparently, 'grub-install (hd0)' fails. I believe this is because hd0 (= /dev/sda) is my usb netinst stick, while my actual installation is on /dev/sdb. (How) can I convince the installer of this, or is it a bug? |
| 21:58.54 | Logit | yes* |
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| 21:59.26 | Bushmills | Logit: does executing tpconfig show anything? |
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| 22:04.00 | Logit | Could not open PS2/2 Port |
| 22:04.12 | Logit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:05.24 | simonlnu | having that device implies you .. have a device on a ps/2 port that's a mouse |
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| 22:06.36 | Wyzard | No, just that the system has a PS/2 port, not that a mouse is necessarily plugged into it |
| 22:07.12 | simonlnu | true |
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| 22:07.42 | Logit | as root yes says "I have a touchpad" > Found Synaptics Touchpad. Firmware: 8.96 (multiple-byte mode) |
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| 22:07.45 | owen1 | I have no audio on thinkpad x120e. device: SBx00 Azalia. alsamixer shows 1 square in the middle (S/PDIF). more helpful output: http://pastebin.com/tF14NHLX |
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| 22:08.18 | Logit | the mouse works with gpm in tty |
| 22:09.02 | Logit | and keyboard, but in xorg don't work keyboard and mouse |
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| 22:10.26 | matias | is there any mirror of http://cdn.debian.net/debian/? |
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| 22:11.11 | Logit | owen1: you try compiled a kernel? The same users have problems with new free kernel |
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| 22:11.38 | Bushmills | Logit: try to specify /dev/input/mice as pointer device in xorg.conf |
| 22:12.50 | Bushmills | or, for a test, try to run xorg without any config file at all. i.e. rename xorg.conf |
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| 22:13.29 | WL__ | do all scripts in /etc/init.d/ get loaded on boot? |
| 22:13.39 | WL__ | or is there a list somewhere of which ones to load and which ones not to load? |
| 22:13.41 | Bushmills | WL__: no |
| 22:13.55 | WL__ | Bushmills, no as in ? |
| 22:14.41 | Bushmills | WL__: read about sysv init |
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| 22:15.07 | WL__ | i just installed a program, it added a startup script |
| 22:15.11 | WL__ | but it does not seem to work |
| 22:15.19 | Bushmills | (00:14:41) Bushmills: WL__: read about sysv init |
| 22:15.22 | WL__ | i rebooted and it did not start |
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| 22:15.55 | WL__ | Bushmills, why you want me out of here? |
| 22:16.02 | Logit | Bushmills: the two options don't work |
| 22:16.15 | somiaj | WL__: it depends on your run level -- check the links in /etc/rc?.d/ -- you can modify which ones run and which ones don't with update-rc.d |
| 22:16.27 | owen1 | Logit: i didn't try compiling a kernel, but i forgot to mention that i installed 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 |
| 22:16.28 | Logit | only typing with gok and if I plugin an USB mouse... |
| 22:16.58 | pascal | . |
| 22:17.00 | somiaj | WL__: if you listen to Bushmills it will describe how the init process works in far more detial. |
| 22:17.12 | WL__ | somiaj, thanks, i just found some blogpost that talked of update-rc.d |
| 22:17.16 | Bushmills | WL__: i don't want you out of here. i don't want to type what has already been documented |
| 22:17.35 | WL__ | somiaj, yeah but it's jsut about solving this littel error, i don't have time adn the need to look into it in detail |
| 22:17.46 | nvz | haha.. I never seen this message before.. I did ssh a1, and it sait "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key." like it was under interrogation or something |
| 22:18.20 | anima- | WL__, everyone that comes in here needs help with a "little problem". take the time to learn about linux |
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| 22:18.52 | nvz | I'm not sure what happened. I created an rsa key like I always have, copied the public key into the authorized keys on a1.. and it didn't work |
| 22:19.17 | WL__ | anima-, this is not even a linux problem |
| 22:19.39 | Logit | try to compile it owen1, I spoken with partner. My parner exchange files SATA on the computer and bytes average is 25mb. The problem if free modules of the free debian's kernel. He compiled 2.6.38.6 and the data transfers up 125mb approximately with these kernel |
| 22:20.24 | Logit | sorry my bad english |
| 22:20.30 | anima- | WL__, ok then ill rephrase. learn how to research and problem solve |
| 22:20.34 | WL__ | anima-, it's liek saying you need to know how your car is built start to finish, just to drive it |
| 22:21.04 | anima- | WL__, if you dont want to learn you could always buy a mac and run OSX or install windows |
| 22:21.12 | WL__ | anima-, i did, and i didn't found anything |
| 22:21.21 | WL__ | so i figured let's ask those friendly people over at #debian |
| 22:22.01 | WL__ | but there's more talk about that i dared to ask such a simple question in here then anything else |
| 22:22.29 | nvz | lol.. |
| 22:22.34 | anima- | WL__, how long have you been googling/researching ? |
| 22:22.44 | WL__ | about ten minutes |
| 22:22.56 | nvz | an yeah I said "lol" cause I just realized we're being trolled |
| 22:23.07 | anima- | WL__, and this is why we are all giving you a hard time. 10 minutes does not show any effort |
| 22:23.21 | WL__ | lol this place is insane |
| 22:23.30 | nvz | WL__: I hear ya |
| 22:23.51 | amphi | !confuse WL__ |
| 22:23.51 | dpkg | No, where was their gouda today, WL__? Pants of the Republic of Mongolia with extra ham. |
| 22:23.52 | jelly-home | WL__: read this factoid: /msg dpkg init script |
| 22:24.02 | nvz | looks at the date/time and realizes its sunday |
| 22:24.15 | anima- | WL__, insane ? sorry but this is a channel to chat about debian, nowhere does it state people here are forced to provide FREE technical support |
| 22:24.18 | jelly-home | nvz: it's Monday here. |
| 22:24.19 | path | is it safe to do a dump while its doing an autovacuum ? (pgsql-stuff) |
| 22:24.39 | anima- | WL__, you could always install redhat and pay them for technical support ;) |
| 22:24.39 | nvz | jelly-home: what was the lottery number? heh |
| 22:24.42 | WL__ | anima-, somiaj was friendly enough to do just that :) |
| 22:25.02 | jelly-home | anima-: nowhere it says people are forced to ramble and not provide any useful information, either |
| 22:25.13 | nvz | jelly-home is from the furture! |
| 22:25.21 | nvz | wonders if doc is there |
| 22:25.30 | somiaj | path: you usually shouldn't dump a database unless you can freeze the tables long enough to do the dump. You should look at how to freeze/unfreeze the database between the dump. |
| 22:25.38 | amphi | WL__: does the script terminate without error if you run it yourself? |
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| 22:25.55 | nvz | or perhaps a younger mj fox |
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| 22:26.25 | WL__ | amphi, nah it works now |
| 22:26.28 | somiaj | path: in mysql you use the command "LOCK TABLES;" "UNLOCK TABLES;" |
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| 22:26.36 | anima- | jelly-home, sorry but if hes only been trying to figure out the problem on his own for 10 minutes then i dont feel any need to hold his hand and walk him through an extremely well documented procedure which can be found with 2 minutes of googling |
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| 22:26.54 | WL__ | amphi, update-rc.d bla defaults did the trick as far a i can see up till now |
| 22:27.11 | nvz | heh |
| 22:27.18 | amphi | oh, you were just lacking the runlevel symlinks? |
| 22:27.39 | jelly-home | amphi: but you feel a need to comment. |
| 22:27.45 | jelly-home | anima-: but you feel a need to comment. |
| 22:27.47 | nvz | amphi: you say that like he read the docs and knows how any of that works |
| 22:28.09 | somiaj | hmm speaking of update-rc.d -- is there a way to change the defaults for programs. I'm getting tired of having to remove the startup links for apache/mysql each time I upgrade sid -- to google. |
| 22:28.16 | nvz | he's been whining after being told to read them for 10 minutes |
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| 22:28.41 | nvz | its not rocket science.. its sysv init |
| 22:28.58 | jelly-home | somiaj: not remove all of them, leave at least one |
| 22:29.02 | amphi | nvz: oh, he's one of those poor illiterates? I hadn't realised |
| 22:29.03 | themill | somiaj: surprisingly, the man page covers exactly this situation |
| 22:29.03 | jelly-home | s/not/don't/ |
| 22:29.05 | WL__ | all i needed to know was what somiaj told me.... |
| 22:29.10 | nvz | you can get your PhD in sysv init in a hour tops |
| 22:29.13 | WL__ | and i knew it before, i just forgot it |
| 22:29.38 | Bushmills | comes from not understanding |
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| 22:29.50 | nvz | next time take off the tin foil hat so we can just read you mind |
| 22:29.54 | anima- | jelly-home, indeed i do, i'm rather tired of people coming in and asking extremely basic questions hoping to be spoon fed an answer they they don't have to use their head and actually learn something. besides it takes away from more technical discussions |
| 22:30.13 | WL__ | seriously wtf |
| 22:30.14 | anima- | they they = so they ^& |
| 22:30.22 | WL__ | is this normal/common in here? |
| 22:30.26 | jelly-home | WL__: yes |
| 22:30.40 | jelly-home | WL__: stick to the technical part, ignore the rest |
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| 22:31.08 | ajikeshi_ | lol.. those "flames" are really somthing ordinary in irc xD |
| 22:31.10 | WL__ | jelly-home, yeah good idea, thanks |
| 22:31.16 | rafuch0 | is tehre any other websites like TLDP? |
| 22:31.37 | kishy | hey guys...question about the automatic filesystem check if the 'last checked time is in the future'...can this be disabled? |
| 22:31.58 | kishy | the machine in question is not able to save the date/time at poweroff so it needs to start up and use ntp each time |
| 22:32.11 | rgr | rafuch0: depends what you mean by like. |
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| 22:32.31 | Logit | sad |
| 22:32.49 | ajikeshi_ | kishy, you can disable checking because of time completely |
| 22:33.17 | ajikeshi_ | at least for ext[2-4] |
| 22:33.18 | rgr | is there a working simple debian tweak that makes the system chekc the drives at shutdown and not start up. Sometimes it takes about 30 minutes for my machine to check the drives. |
| 22:33.25 | kishy | ajikeshi_: is there a web page somewhere? i tried googling but didnt see anything relevant i dont think |
| 22:33.32 | kishy | oh, so it's an actual filesystem feature |
| 22:33.33 | ajikeshi_ | kishy, man tune2fs |
| 22:34.24 | ajikeshi_ | rgr, you could "rig" it in for init 0 |
| 22:35.23 | kishy | ajikeshi_: thanks, will investigate |
| 22:35.30 | Wyzard | rgr: If you're using ext3, consider switching to ext4 -- fsck is much faster for ext4 |
| 22:35.38 | ajikeshi_ | kishy, tune2fs is often usefull :D |
| 22:35.47 | jelly-home | ajikeshi_: my ext3fs are tuned to -c0 -i0 and it doesn't take care of this particular problem (mount in future). Which tune2fs option are you thinking of? |
| 22:36.10 | ajikeshi_ | disabling check for time kompletely |
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| 22:36.48 | rgr | regardless of filesystem I would still prefer the check at shutdown rather than to find an problem at the start of a working day when I might need my machine pronto. |
| 22:37.09 | ajikeshi_ | jelly, -i0 should take care of that |
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| 22:42.46 | Serpher | I'm trying to install Debian on a machine that was running Fedora, however I can't delete the physical partition containing a logical volume because it contains the logical volume, but there's no option to delete the logical volume. |
| 22:43.27 | Iridos | rgr, it should only "check" after a crash and in case of a crash you cannot "check at shutdown". Hence: no |
| 22:43.52 | rgr | Iridos: nonsense. |
| 22:44.00 | Iridos | also, journaling filesystems don't "check" the drive, they just replay the journal which shouldn't take a lot of time... if it does, I would suppose something is wrong |
| 22:44.16 | rgr | YOu are totally and utterly incorrect. |
| 22:44.43 | rgr | checks in default installs are done on a reboot count basis as well as crash instances. |
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| 22:45.13 | Iridos | you can disable the reboot count stuff... and I've only seen it on ext* file systems |
| 22:45.16 | ajikeshi_ | fsck-flamewar? ;) |
| 22:45.20 | rgr | None of which changes the fact that the *scheduled* checks make more sense for many of us at shutdown and not start up for obvious reasons. |
| 22:45.24 | amphi | and if unchecked for a specified time interval |
| 22:45.27 | jelly-home | Serpher: in the installer, you could switch to the console (Alt-F2 or Alt-F3), and wipe partitions manually after doing lvremove, vgchange -an, and pvremove (to clean up metadata off the disk) |
| 22:45.43 | Iridos | rgr, and I thank you for staying polite |
| 22:45.58 | rgr | I was polite. |
| 22:45.58 | amphi | ajikeshi_: there seems to be an atmosphere of testiness this evening ;) |
| 22:46.02 | Iridos | rgr, none of which changes that checks have to happen after crashes and that cannot be done on shutdown |
| 22:46.04 | ompaul | ajikeshi_: no it is flamewar-fsck unless you are them should we unite in a common cause |
| 22:46.05 | ajikeshi_ | amphi, ay |
| 22:46.16 | Serpher | jelly-home: Thanks, thought only anaconda had that. Thanks. |
| 22:46.18 | Iridos | rgr, "utter nonsense" was polite? |
| 22:46.19 | rgr | Iridos: which has nothing to do with my question . |
| 22:46.28 | rgr | Yes, because it was. |
| 22:46.32 | Iridos | not |
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| 22:46.46 | Iridos | and it has to do with your question |
| 22:46.51 | Iridos | (obviously) |
| 22:46.59 | rgr | You claimed I cant move the check to shuitdown because it ONLY checks after a crash. This was wrong. Totally. |
| 22:47.03 | Iridos | perhaps you need to rephrase your question |
| 22:47.20 | ajikeshi_ | stop pickering because of this... |
| 22:47.23 | Iridos | totally not. |
| 22:47.24 | rgr | Perhaps you need to read the Q and not make silly sweeping statements which are incorrect. |
| 22:47.26 | Iridos | stop claiming bullshit |
| 22:47.41 | rgr | ok, thats better. |
| 22:47.56 | Iridos | right... I finally found the type of language you prefer |
| 22:47.58 | Iridos | :stop: |
| 22:48.16 | rgr | quote : [00:43]<Iridos> rgr, it should only "check" after a crash and in case of a |
| 22:48.16 | rgr | crash you cannot "check at shutdown". Hence: no |
| 22:48.30 | jelly-home | rgr: a possible approach: use LVM. Leave enough space for snapshots (say, 10%). Disable mount count based fsck. Instead, set up a job to create snapshots of each system, fsck the snapshot, and if successful, reset the fsck time on the filesystem. If it fails, set up a forced fsck on the next reboot. |
| 22:49.03 | Riviera | That's even mentioned in the manpage of fsck, IIRC. |
| 22:49.10 | jelly-home | it is |
| 22:49.13 | Riviera | Possibly it was tune2fs |
| 22:49.14 | petemc | that person ragequits almost every time |
| 22:49.22 | Riviera | I, for one, am too lazy to check, apologies :) |
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| 22:49.34 | jelly-home | I know I've read it _somewhere_ |
| 22:49.48 | simonlnu | nice word, ragequit |
| 22:50.01 | ompaul | petemc: being judgemental? ;-) |
| 22:50.05 | Riviera | rgr .. ragerunner |
| 22:50.07 | Iridos | petemc, only seconds before me... kind of :)... well I decided not to quit but wouldn't have continued either |
| 22:50.13 | petemc | ompaul: me?! never |
| 22:50.24 | simonlnu | haha Riviera |
| 22:50.32 | ompaul | .beer petemc |
| 22:50.41 | ompaul | !beer petemc |
| 22:50.42 | dpkg | pours a quart of Stone Arrogant Bastard for petemc |
| 22:50.45 | petemc | i have a guinness already |
| 22:50.49 | ompaul | hahaha |
| 22:51.07 | simonlnu | o/~ "have a drink on me" o/~ |
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| 22:51.28 | oldtopman | Well, this is odd. |
| 22:51.37 | ajikeshi_ | pours scotch over simonlnu |
| 22:51.45 | jelly-home | lights it up |
| 22:51.48 | oldtopman | It just got odder |
| 22:52.00 | oldtopman | backs up from those three |
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| 22:52.02 | ompaul | oldtopman: you going to share, or keep it to yourself? |
| 22:52.07 | oldtopman | yeah. |
| 22:52.16 | oldtopman | The package arduino doesn't exist |
| 22:52.23 | oldtopman | Can anyone confirm/deny? |
| 22:52.31 | oldtopman | It should be there. |
| 22:52.33 | ajikeshi_ | shows an episode of black odder on the tellie xD |
| 22:52.35 | jelly-home | ,versions arduino |
| 22:52.36 | jetscreamer | uses fire extinguisher on simon |
| 22:52.36 | judd | Package arduino on i386 -- squeeze: 0018+dfsg-6; sid: 0022+dfsg-3; wheezy: 0022+dfsg-3 |
| 22:52.43 | Serpher | jelly-home: I deleted the partitions using fdisk and even restarted the installation but the Volume Group and Logical Volume is still there. Any idea how I could wipe it? |
| 22:52.48 | jelly-home | oldtopman: denied for i386 |
| 22:52.54 | oldtopman | D: |
| 22:53.01 | oldtopman | NOOOOO! |
| 22:53.04 | Serpher | jelly-home: nvm it poofed |
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| 22:53.24 | oldtopman | Also, WTF is up with squeeze? |
| 22:53.24 | jelly-home | Serpher: did you lvremove and vgremove and pvremove before wiping'em? |
| 22:53.34 | oldtopman | It KP's on my main machine. |
| 22:53.37 | simonlnu | twitches a bit, then disappears in a puff of smoke |
| 22:53.40 | ompaul | oldtopman: that question is a little over broad |
| 22:53.55 | oldtopman | then it complains that deps for synaptic are missing! |
| 22:53.58 | oldtopman | :( |
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| 22:54.19 | jelly-home | I don't even know what KPing is |
| 22:54.30 | oldtopman | jelly-home: kernel panic |
| 22:54.37 | jelly-home | Oops |
| 22:55.10 | ompaul | oldtopman: still a little broad which KP and what conditions and have you anything strange about kernels or such like? |
| 22:55.31 | Iridos | well, not sure if there's a better way to check, but this returns nuffin: http://xfs.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=reboot+count&go=Go - and I'm damn sure xfs doesn't run xfs_repair, even if there is a system reboot count, which I think there is not... it might run xfs_check |
| 22:55.35 | oldtopman | ompaul: I know, just letting off a littl steam. |
| 22:55.39 | oldtopman | little* |
| 22:56.04 | oldtopman | Is squeeze still in beta? |
| 22:56.20 | themill | oldtopman: /topic |
| 22:56.25 | Iridos | I'm also damn sure reiserfs doesn't run fsck in any automated way... it'll only replay the journal |
| 22:56.49 | oldtopman | squeeze, y u no packages? |
| 22:56.51 | Iridos | (it wants you to be present and suffering when you have reiserfs.fsck destroy your data) |
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| 22:57.43 | ajikeshi_ | xD |
| 22:58.04 | ajikeshi_ | Iridos, s/destroy/kills/ |
| 22:58.22 | ajikeshi_ | ;) |
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| 22:58.46 | Iridos | ajikeshi_, anyway, only a few versions of it did that... it's not as if it was a HOBBY or something |
| 22:58.54 | Iridos | just a little fluke |
| 22:59.01 | ajikeshi_ | mhhh |
| 22:59.11 | ajikeshi_ | it was an inappropriate joke to reiser itself ;) |
| 22:59.20 | amphi | ISTR the term 'zombie reanimator' applied to reiserfsck |
| 22:59.29 | ajikeshi_ | s/it/him/ |
| 22:59.40 | oldtopman | why hasn't libapt been ported? |
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| 23:00.20 | jelly-home | oldtopman: what? |
| 23:00.49 | jelly-home | oldtopman: that question doesn't make much sense on its own |
| 23:01.05 | oldtopman | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/TeRUEkEU |
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| 23:01.35 | jelly-home | oldtopman: pastebin your sources.list |
| 23:01.58 | jelly-home | in fact, |
| 23:02.01 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 23:02.01 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 23:02.16 | oldtopman | ah |
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| 23:03.59 | oldtopman | http://pastebin.com/QYyyJm4F |
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| 23:05.35 | themill | oldtopman: you don't have a mirror for squeeze anywhere there |
| 23:05.44 | oldtopman | D: |
| 23:06.02 | oldtopman | What about deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 23:06.04 | oldtopman | ? |
| 23:06.12 | oldtopman | derp |
| 23:06.33 | jelly-home | derp indede |
| 23:06.33 | oldtopman | noticed his mistake |
| 23:06.37 | themill | re-reading that would be smart. also, /msg dpkg ftp.debian.org |
| 23:07.02 | oldtopman | /msg dpkg ftp.debian.org |
| 23:07.05 | oldtopman | Nothing. |
| 23:07.08 | jelly-home | oldtopman: there's a nice example file in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ |
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| 23:07.29 | themill | dpkg: tell oldtopman about ftp.debian.org |
| 23:07.37 | themill | takes away oldtopman's space bar |
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| 23:08.25 | oldtopman | themill: No space there. |
| 23:08.35 | oldtopman | Sorry about all that trouble. |
| 23:10.09 | oldtopman | All you have to do to beging with a "/" is to "/msg #<channel>" first |
| 23:10.32 | oldtopman | I typed /msg #debian /msg dpkg ftp.debian.org |
| 23:10.45 | simonlnu | er, no |
| 23:10.53 | jhutchins_lt | oldtopman: Actually, a double slash will do it too |
| 23:10.55 | simonlnu | /msg dpkg ftp.debian.org |
| 23:10.55 | jhutchins_lt | /like this |
| 23:11.13 | jhutchins_lt | //or this |
| 23:11.14 | simonlnu | oh, i see. |
| 23:11.26 | oldtopman | adds it to his list of tricks |
| 23:11.29 | simonlnu | you're doing - trying - to do /say / |
| 23:11.41 | simonlnu | irssi has a shortened form: / / |
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| 23:12.38 | oldtopman | // does nothing |
| 23:12.52 | oldtopman | It asks "/test" is not a valid command |
| 23:12.58 | simonlnu | various clients have differing ways of doing it |
| 23:13.09 | oldtopman | Anyway, I do have a question. |
| 23:13.19 | oldtopman | How do I install the nvidia driver/ |
| 23:13.20 | oldtopman | ?8 |
| 23:13.23 | oldtopman | ?* |
| 23:13.33 | simonlnu | !nvidia dkms |
| 23:13.33 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
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| 23:14.20 | oldtopman | makes no sense |
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| 23:14.56 | oldtopman | I am on squeeze aswell |
| 23:15.08 | oldtopman | So just run the command in between the quotes? |
| 23:15.09 | simonlnu | take it one character at a time then :P |
| 23:15.10 | Iridos | does, too |
| 23:15.26 | Iridos | didn'T for me either at start, though... I didn't know about |
| 23:15.28 | Iridos | !dkms |
| 23:15.28 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
| 23:16.11 | oldtopman | Oh, I see. |
| 23:16.18 | Iridos | funky, eh? |
| 23:16.24 | Iridos | (if and when it works) |
| 23:16.45 | oldtopman | I replace "My GPU" with GeForce4 MX 440? |
| 23:16.56 | simonlnu | that won't matter |
| 23:16.57 | oldtopman | (Its an old card) |
| 23:17.11 | daemonkeeper | You need the legacy driver though |
| 23:17.16 | daemonkeeper | Unsure which exactly. |
| 23:17.24 | oldtopman | XD |
| 23:17.34 | simonlnu | then you might be better asking the bot for the nvidia dkms-173xx or nvidia dkms-96xx factoids |
| 23:17.46 | oldtopman | is so lost |
| 23:17.49 | Serpher | I'm trying to install Debian but it's telling me that the filesystem wasn't cleanly unmounted and I should run e2fsck. If I just ignore it and keep going I run into errors. How do I run e2fsck in the installer's terminal, it just keeps telling me the filesystem is mounted. |
| 23:18.13 | oldtopman | Serpher: Run fsck from a liveCD |
| 23:18.30 | oldtopman | I use Puppy Linux for that because it is small and I lose al of my CDs/isos |
| 23:18.31 | freegh | hello guys i know that this is not the right channel to ask but i'm desperate i tryed everywhere i'm looking for a website where i can search/find a mainbord on hardware specs i'm looking for a mainbord with a 755 socket ddr2 memory and 16 or 32 gb of ram supported. i just dont know where to go. |
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| 23:19.35 | oldtopman | freegh: Amazon |
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| 23:21.24 | Iridos | Serpher, the installer tells you this?! |
| 23:21.25 | dvs | freegh: The "16 or 32 GB" requirement is a tall order for a 775 socket motherboard. |
| 23:21.48 | Serpher | Yeah, however I'm trying to install the base system for a 3rd time while not rebooting and it seems to be working now ._. |
| 23:22.00 | Iridos | Serpher, it should offer you to just make a fresh, pristine filesystem... |
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| 23:22.25 | freegh | dvs how u mean |
| 23:22.58 | Serpher | Iridos: I did =X |
| 23:23.57 | Serpher | "Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.11.2-10_i386.deb |
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| 23:24.05 | freegh | yeah i understand but what with servers.. there are many many servers that have ddr2 memory and a 775 socket and there are plenty of servers that can support that amound of memory am i asking such a specefic thing? |
| 23:24.43 | dvs | freegh: 16GB you'll probably find but 32GB? That'll be really hard to find. |
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| 23:25.35 | freegh | 16 gb is good but on amazon i cant filter on the aound of ram |
| 23:25.59 | rich0 | We're trying to bootstrap a friend's slack install with grub using the debian installer, but it won't run the task as it says we've not run the install system task. Is there a way to override? |
| 23:27.01 | jhutchins_lt | freegh: My main sources are http://pricewatch.com http://newegg.com http://tigerdirect.com |
| 23:27.37 | jhutchins_lt | freegh: You could also check http://microcenter.com |
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