| 00:02.47 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:08.10 | oldtopman | Who was helping me in PM before? |
| 00:08.15 | oldtopman | I need you! |
| 00:08.17 | oldtopman | :P |
| 00:09.09 | gauge | is there anyway to easily soft a config file Alphabeticly? like to order my .Xdefaults for instance. |
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| 00:10.17 | simonlnu | `sort'? |
| 00:10.52 | oldtopman | Question. |
| 00:11.03 | oldtopman | I just installed all of the nvidia drivers |
| 00:11.21 | oldtopman | When I ran nvidia-xconfig, it zeroes out my xorg.conf |
| 00:11.25 | homie | congrats! |
| 00:11.25 | oldtopman | And X fails |
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| 00:11.40 | oldtopman | When I removed the conf and the backup it came back up |
| 00:11.45 | oldtopman | So... |
| 00:12.06 | oldtopman | Do I still get the "go fasta" of the driver even if nvidia-xconfig failed? |
| 00:12.49 | homie | that's not normal, i never changed my xorg.conf once i set it up.... |
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| 00:13.34 | homie | and i used several times the nvidia-non-free driver to update...... |
| 00:13.37 | pipeline | oldtopman: in all honesty all you need to do is run "Xorg -configure" |
| 00:13.52 | pipeline | oldtopman: once you have the config file generated by xorg, simply replace "Driver 'nv'" with "Driver "nvidia"" |
| 00:14.05 | pipeline | oldtopman: nvidia-xconfig will do other things but at heart that's the oly necessary change |
| 00:14.11 | homie | well, the dkms one's are or were working too up to the 3d stuff ..... |
| 00:14.22 | oldtopman | pipeline: Thanks. |
| 00:14.30 | homie | last time i had no accel that's all |
| 00:14.47 | homie | don't know but something is always messing the glx thing..... |
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| 00:16.00 | pipeline | oldtopman: also don't ever use the nvidia installer |
| 00:16.04 | pipeline | oldtopman: it's just a big pain in the ass |
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| 00:16.28 | homie | nvidia-installer ? |
| 00:16.33 | homie | the commercial one ? |
| 00:16.37 | pipeline | oldtopman: modern versions of nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx are kept up to date in "experimental." Use apt pinning to add experimental without having experimental overrun your system http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 00:16.45 | pipeline | homie: yes. The download from nvidia. Big pain in your ass. |
| 00:17.10 | homie | not that i know of, i use it all the time with wheezy now and it works.... |
| 00:17.32 | homie | i only have to get the drivers get clean cause some debian package makes diversions of the glx things.... |
| 00:17.35 | pipeline | homie: it replaces files arbitrarily on your system, many owned by the package system. So every time you update the system, you have to reinstall drivers. Nasty. |
| 00:17.49 | G-Farkas | Hi, I created a local repository for using in a fresh debian installation, I get the .deb from other debian installation and used dpkg-scanpackages. The problem is that I can't install packages from this repository. Even if I set it greater pin priority than the official repositories. Anyone can help me please? Thanks and excuse my english pls. |
| 00:17.50 | pipeline | homie: Using the official packages from "experimental" makes updates go smoothly |
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| 00:18.04 | pipeline | G-Farkas: regardless of pin priority, newer versions are preferred to older versions. |
| 00:18.05 | homie | i only have to clean /usr/lib/nvidia once, and those were debian scripts and libs afaik |
| 00:18.26 | homie | s/have/had/ |
| 00:18.28 | pipeline | homie: you can disagree with me, but you will still be wrong :D |
| 00:18.51 | homie | ok then why won't the debian packages get stripped for the 3d thing everytime ? |
| 00:19.01 | homie | s/won't/will/ |
| 00:19.02 | G-Farkas | pipeline, Should be the same versions. The other pc has the same branch (stable), and is completly actualized. |
| 00:19.21 | macrobat | if you have a package version pinned with priority over 1000, it doesn't get updated, right? |
| 00:20.24 | G-Farkas | macrobat, I tried priority 1100, but was the same. I have nothing to update by the way. Is just an updated net install |
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| 00:21.13 | dobby156 | hi what is the process of adding my free software to the debian repsitories? |
| 00:22.08 | G-Farkas | It is posible that the problem be because key signature problems? |
| 00:22.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell dobby156 about itp |
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| 00:24.15 | jmarsden | dobby156: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackaging |
| 00:24.31 | dobby156 | jmarsden: ok |
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| 00:25.50 | chelz | what's the point of setting a domain name in debian? say i have a domain for the local lan "hal9000.local", but don't set it in debian, what harm would there be? |
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| 00:30.29 | aguitel | how modify /etc/resolv.conf permanent |
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| 00:35.30 | Iridos | uninstall the dhcp client |
| 00:35.52 | r0fs3ck5 | aguitel: if you are using nmapplet, resolv.conf is automatically generated. |
| 00:36.44 | Iridos | same goes for dhclient |
| 00:37.14 | Iridos | but I think you can configure network-manager and there's a template file for dhclient that will be prepeded or so |
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| 00:39.43 | pikhq | So: I recently did an update&&upgrade on Debian wheezy (amd64), did a restart on X, and now I can't seem to get xfwm4 to come up along with the rest of xfce4 when startxfce4 runs. |
| 00:39.47 | pikhq | Any ideas? |
| 00:39.55 | rafanovas | My sound is stucking, when I am playing sound at the media player, I can't listen it in the browser, or in the IM client, and vice-versa. |
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| 00:40.40 | rafanovas | Aparently my sound controller options window has changed, but I didn't change anything or wanted to change |
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| 00:50.30 | rhenani | Hello Again :D |
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| 00:54.48 | oldtopman | pipeline: Xorg -configure failed |
| 00:55.19 | pipeline | oldtopman: it's not supposed to :D |
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| 00:55.45 | rhenani | Does some one know |
| 00:55.46 | oldtopman | And this makes you happy why again |
| 00:55.50 | rhenani | about |
| 00:55.51 | rhenani | wicd |
| 00:55.54 | rhenani | in debian |
| 00:56.04 | oldtopman | yes |
| 00:56.05 | pipeline | oldtopman: perhaps you don't have the open driver installed ( xserver-xorg-video-nouveau ) |
| 00:56.05 | oldtopman | ? |
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| 00:56.45 | oldtopman | pipeline: Installed |
| 00:57.12 | oldtopman | The Xorg -configure said I had more displays than detected or something, then failed. |
| 00:57.21 | pipeline | that's strange |
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| 00:57.40 | boudiccas | rhenani; please dont use the ENTER key for punctuation, and have more than one word in your sentences. that way people will take more notice of you |
| 00:58.17 | rhenani | boudiccas: Ok I will. Thank you (^_^)(") |
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| 00:58.56 | rhenani | boudiccas: do you know about the package wicd? |
| 00:59.27 | oldtopman | pipeline: What should I do now? |
| 00:59.37 | rhenani | boudiccas: It's Because I need help configuring a wireless network with a wpa2 password |
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| 01:00.06 | rhenani | boudiccas: I know the basics thing like iwlist scanning |
| 01:00.35 | rhenani | boudiccas: But to connect a network with wpa2 passw0rd i don't know, can you help me =) |
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| 01:00.51 | pipeline | oldtopman: pastebin the logs and ask your question again in a few minutes. I'm afraid I don't have a clue what your problem is without more information, and I don't have time to wait for the information. Volunteer support is a bitch :P |
| 01:00.56 | Raccoon1400 | is the ia64 image the one I want for 64bit intel i7? |
| 01:01.05 | pipeline | Raccoon1400: you want either amd64 or i386 |
| 01:01.15 | pipeline | Raccoon1400: i386 is usually the better choice, even on 64 bit systems |
| 01:01.26 | Raccoon1400 | ah, right, found it |
| 01:01.33 | Raccoon1400 | why do you recommend 32 bit? |
| 01:02.02 | pipeline | Raccoon1400: Compatibility issues abound, still, in 2011. Also: 32 bit is often faster, because instruction cache pressure is reduced. |
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| 01:02.20 | pipeline | Raccoon1400: for the best of both worlds, the i386 debian distribution includes amd64 kernels, so you can have a 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userspace |
| 01:02.29 | pipeline | Raccoon1400: i.e. no PAE |
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| 01:04.44 | oldtopman | pipeline: Where are the logs? |
| 01:04.54 | oldtopman | piopeline: I did it in single user mode. |
| 01:06.04 | oldtopman | ah well. |
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| 01:07.25 | oldtopman | (,-,) |
| 01:08.21 | rhenani | does someone know how to configure a wirelles connection with wpa2 password?? |
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| 01:09.12 | oldtopman | Where are the logs for single user mode stored? |
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| 01:09.59 | k-man | is there any way to get aspell to check a word on the command line? (ie aspell color) |
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| 01:16.25 | pjp | Is it normal that "testing" says 6.0.1? |
| 01:17.21 | oldtopman | pipeline http://pastebin.com/nvQqQpmc Appearently I have the wrong drivers. Which ones should I get? |
| 01:18.56 | pjp | oldtopman: Which one did you install? |
| 01:19.03 | oldtopman | ummmm |
| 01:19.07 | oldtopman | looks it up |
| 01:19.17 | pjp | the one off their website or packages? |
| 01:19.26 | oldtopman | The 195.36.31 NVIDIA driver. |
| 01:19.29 | oldtopman | From the packages |
| 01:19.39 | pjp | the one off their website always works well for me... |
| 01:19.49 | oldtopman | For me it complains I have X running |
| 01:20.06 | oldtopman | I run it in single-user mode and it whines about something else |
| 01:20.33 | pjp | I think I usually bypass it with the option |
| 01:20.39 | pjp | --no-x-check or something |
| 01:21.10 | oldtopman | :D |
| 01:21.13 | pjp | but I think theres two packages too |
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| 01:22.34 | pretend0 | can i open the folder iam in from terminal ? |
| 01:22.46 | pjp | nautilus . |
| 01:22.49 | pjp | type that |
| 01:23.01 | Alam_Squeeze | Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 01:23.19 | pretend0 | debian |
| 01:23.41 | pretend0 | broken |
| 01:23.42 | Alam_Squeeze | what release? |
| 01:23.47 | pretend0 | testing |
| 01:23.53 | pjp | broken? |
| 01:24.07 | pretend0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.07 | pretend0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.18 | Alam_Squeeze | install nvidia-kenel-legacy-96xx-dkms |
| 01:24.22 | Alam_Squeeze | let see... |
| 01:24.28 | pretend0 | me? |
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| 01:24.40 | pretend0 | Linux debian 2.6.38-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 8 13:51:57 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:25.01 | Alam_Squeeze | oh, wait, nvm, let me reread the log |
| 01:25.08 | pjp | pretend0: that error comes from what I told you? |
| 01:25.25 | chelz | might be a tty rather than a gnome-terminal type thing |
| 01:25.32 | chelz | i get that when i try to run vlc in a tty |
| 01:25.35 | pretend0 | yea |
| 01:25.38 | pretend0 | pjp |
| 01:25.58 | chelz | pretend0: you want a graphical cli file manager? |
| 01:26.22 | pretend0 | i have thunar |
| 01:26.28 | pretend0 | so i think ill figure it out thx |
| 01:26.40 | oldtopman | Alam_Squeeze: How did you know I got that error afterwards |
| 01:26.47 | pjp | just type the name of your favorite tool |
| 01:26.58 | oldtopman | vows to stop drinking and computering |
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| 01:27.40 | oldtopman | pretend0: Try mc |
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| 01:30.18 | cesurasean | Hi guys. I'm 99% sure my computer hs the correct network settings, I've compared to another box that works, yet the box refuses to do anything more than ping the router, and being able to ping itself. It cannot ping 8.8.8.8, or google.com.... |
| 01:30.24 | cesurasean | any clue what the issue could be? |
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| 01:31.38 | Alam_Squeeze | cesurasean: no gateway setting? pastebin the output of '/sbin/route -n' |
| 01:33.11 | cesurasean | Alam_Squeeze, i cant pastebin, but it says my gatework is 0.0.0.0 |
| 01:33.18 | cesurasean | how do I set a default route to 10.10.20.2? |
| 01:34.15 | Alam_Squeeze | 'route add default gw 10.10.20.2' ? |
| 01:34.31 | Alam_Squeeze | how did you setup the network config? |
| 01:34.34 | cesurasean | ok cool |
| 01:34.36 | cesurasean | got it to work |
| 01:34.37 | cesurasean | thanks man |
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| 01:35.30 | Alam_Squeeze | cesurasean: by network manager or /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 01:47.10 | cesurasean | Alam_Squeeze, i rebooted my box and still has no internet access. i did a /sbin/route -N, and it's showing 2 entries. 1 proper entry, and 1 that says 0.0.0.0 for gateway.... |
| 01:47.21 | cesurasean | how do I delete the bad gateway one? |
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| 01:53.05 | cesurasean | how do i edit default gateway or routes by hand? what file do i need to edit? |
| 01:53.06 | pretend0 | how do i tell if i have x11 |
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| 01:56.07 | cesurasean | Can someone please help me? |
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| 01:56.27 | cesurasean | my routing is showing 2 entries, 1 with 0.0.0.0. |
| 01:56.37 | cesurasean | i cann't access any sites, except ping my router, and such... |
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| 01:59.49 | cesurasean | Alam_Squeeze, i rebooted my box and still has no internet access. i did a /sbin/route -N, and it's showing 2 entries. 1 proper entry, and 1 that says 0.0.0.0 for gateway.... |
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| 02:01.14 | cesurasean | what file do i edit to edit routes in debian??!!!!! |
| 02:01.30 | cesurasean | besides /etc/resolv.conf, and /etc/network/interfaces?? |
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| 02:03.04 | gauge | Hey, I have *background: #262626 |
| 02:03.55 | gauge | in my Xdefaults. awesome but, some apps (nload,slurm) have their own colorsheme and need the background to be black. anyway i can do this? |
| 02:04.21 | gauge | have my terminal background be one color, untill an app requests that it not be. |
| 02:05.12 | cesurasean | How do I delete a fucking route in debian? Someone please help me out! |
| 02:05.24 | cesurasean | I can't get the syntax correct delete the bad route! |
| 02:05.35 | cesurasean | someone please help me! |
| 02:05.40 | ajikeshi_ | cesurasean, route del [your route] |
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| 02:07.41 | cesurasean | that doesn't seem to work |
| 02:07.47 | cesurasean | ajikeshi_, |
| 02:08.06 | ajikeshi_ | well its supposed to work |
| 02:08.09 | cesurasean | im getting no such process |
| 02:08.17 | ajikeshi_ | process O_o |
| 02:08.24 | cesurasean | what file can i edit to make changes it routes? |
| 02:08.33 | ajikeshi_ | edit O_o |
| 02:08.43 | cesurasean | edit what? |
| 02:08.52 | ajikeshi_ | well i think that would be something like /proc/net/route |
| 02:09.04 | ajikeshi_ | check out man route |
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| 02:10.57 | cesurasean | ajikeshi_, can you give me the exact code to remove a route? |
| 02:11.04 | ajikeshi_ | nope |
| 02:11.07 | cesurasean | ive tried everything that google has to offer, and can't seem to get the syntax correct |
| 02:11.09 | ajikeshi_ | since i dont kno your routes |
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| 02:11.26 | cesurasean | my route is for 10.10.10.2 and the one is 0.0.0.0 that i need to remove |
| 02:11.33 | cesurasean | for some reason it has a route for 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:11.37 | cesurasean | how would i go about removing that? |
| 02:12.11 | ajikeshi_ | paste your "route" output to a pastebin pls |
| 02:12.20 | ajikeshi_ | ah |
| 02:12.22 | ajikeshi_ | no |
| 02:12.22 | ajikeshi_ | need |
| 02:12.32 | ajikeshi_ | route to 0.0.0.0 is default |
| 02:12.57 | ajikeshi_ | or something thats "global" |
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| 02:13.22 | cesurasean | what? |
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| 02:13.35 | cesurasean | how do i pastebin a VM? |
| 02:14.07 | cesurasean | i cant really pastebin to you |
| 02:14.08 | ajikeshi_ | your choice |
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| 02:14.31 | cesurasean | I have 2 routes inside /sbin/route -N that one shows 0.0.0.0, and the other shows 10.10.20.2 ( which should be the route gateway ) |
| 02:14.58 | cesurasean | ok |
| 02:15.06 | cesurasean | it seems my routes are good comparing to another machine |
| 02:15.45 | cesurasean | how come i can't do more than ping my router? i can't ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 02:15.55 | ajikeshi_ | wrong subnet most likely |
| 02:15.58 | un214 | try tracert |
| 02:16.02 | ajikeshi_ | or you dont have a route to that one |
| 02:17.03 | cesurasean | im going to make a screen shot |
| 02:17.04 | cesurasean | hold on |
| 02:17.18 | ajikeshi_ | lol |
| 02:19.06 | rhenani | If I want to put a screenshot in website that everybody can see and help me with my problem, which one do you guys recommend me? |
| 02:19.19 | cesurasean | ajikeshi_, heres my pastebin. can ping my router, but not 8.8.8.8.... - http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1zyfwx4&s=7 it's the VM on the right |
| 02:19.39 | cesurasean | how do i remove my default route so i can fix the subnet mask? |
| 02:19.53 | cesurasean | actually, the mask looks fine |
| 02:19.58 | cesurasean | not sure why this isnt working! |
| 02:20.07 | ajikeshi_ | what nets do you have? |
| 02:20.19 | cesurasean | excuse me? what question was that? |
| 02:20.32 | rhenani | like paste.debian.net but for pictures someone can say any |
| 02:20.43 | ajikeshi_ | ya route looks fine |
| 02:20.52 | cesurasean | how come i can't access google then? |
| 02:21.04 | cesurasean | i added route, it worked, i rebooted and nothing works |
| 02:21.44 | ajikeshi_ | whats your routers ip? |
| 02:21.48 | ajikeshi_ | and can you ping it? |
| 02:21.59 | cesurasean | yes i can ping it just fine |
| 02:22.19 | nsadmin | cesurasean: are you familiar with very basic ip networking? |
| 02:22.39 | cesurasean | no |
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| 02:22.47 | cesurasean | and im using the same settings on another box, and it works |
| 02:22.56 | cesurasean | i saw it working on this box until i rebooted... |
| 02:23.12 | ajikeshi_ | does it have multiple interfaces? |
| 02:23.22 | nsadmin | did you try adding the route again after boot? |
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| 02:23.44 | cesurasean | when i try adding the route,r it says already exists now |
| 02:23.52 | cesurasean | no, not multiple interfaces, just 1 |
| 02:23.52 | ajikeshi_ | mhhh |
| 02:23.58 | ajikeshi_ | can you ping your router? |
| 02:24.04 | cesurasean | YES i can ping my router |
| 02:24.08 | cesurasean | 2nd time ive told you |
| 02:24.10 | ajikeshi_ | mhh |
| 02:24.11 | ajikeshi_ | sry |
| 02:24.15 | ajikeshi_ | didnt get that then |
| 02:24.27 | cesurasean | how do i fix this? |
| 02:24.30 | ajikeshi_ | can you ping any external IP? |
| 02:24.34 | cesurasean | no |
| 02:24.38 | nsadmin | pastebin output of route -n |
| 02:24.38 | cesurasean | i can't ping anything external |
| 02:24.42 | ajikeshi_ | did you try directly? |
| 02:24.52 | cesurasean | nsadmin, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1zyfwx4&s=7 |
| 02:24.54 | nsadmin | or |
| 02:24.57 | ajikeshi_ | maybe you forgot to set a nameserver in the resolv.conf |
| 02:24.59 | cesurasean | yes, i tried 8.8.8.8 and google.com |
| 02:25.07 | cesurasean | no, resolv.conf looks fine |
| 02:25.31 | ajikeshi_ | you didnt give both machines the same ip? |
| 02:25.36 | cesurasean | nope |
| 02:25.37 | ajikeshi_ | or same mac? |
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| 02:26.44 | cesurasean | nope |
| 02:26.56 | nsadmin | can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
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| 02:26.58 | cesurasean | like i said, when i first added the route, it worked |
| 02:27.00 | cesurasean | NO |
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| 02:27.04 | cesurasean | i cannot ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:27.11 | cesurasean | but my other VM on the same box works fine |
| 02:27.14 | nsadmin | then you ca n't reach that nameserver |
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| 02:27.18 | cesurasean | i can ing my router, nothing else |
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| 02:27.31 | cesurasean | reach what nameserver? |
| 02:27.36 | nsadmin | 8.8.8.8 |
| 02:27.48 | cesurasean | nsadmin, how do i fix my problem then? |
| 02:27.53 | nsadmin | a name server you could use temporarily |
| 02:28.12 | nsadmin | step 1, find what the problem is |
| 02:28.35 | cesurasean | how do i find what the problem is? |
| 02:28.40 | eusid | Hey #debian, I have heard that debian has one of the best support for developers. My primary concerns as of now are python, and web development. I installed ubuntu on virtualbox because python was not liking my windows installation. I also wish to become proficient enough at shell scripting and work my way to Linux Administrator level. I am also interested in c, c++ programming as well as other compiled languages. Other than python, web d |
| 02:28.40 | eusid | ev, my second interests are iphone and android app dev. Also it is important to me to be able to easily install software through a good package manager without having to compile everything something like gentoo is out of the question for me. |
| 02:28.44 | ajikeshi_ | start from the bottom |
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| 02:29.36 | nsadmin | eusid: ok |
| 02:29.50 | cesurasean | dude |
| 02:29.59 | cesurasean | how do i remove my route, and then readd it with the correct subnet? |
| 02:30.03 | nikito28 | yea |
| 02:30.12 | nsadmin | route del (spec) |
| 02:30.28 | nsadmin | what is the correct subnet? |
| 02:30.33 | eusid | nsadmin: so have i been led to the right place? debian distro? |
| 02:30.37 | tensorpudding | eusid: if you're used to ubuntu, it uses the same packaging system that debian does |
| 02:30.44 | nsadmin | and the correct netmask |
| 02:31.03 | tensorpudding | eusid: but what is your question? |
| 02:31.05 | cesurasean | nsadmin, can you help me fix my problems? |
| 02:31.26 | cesurasean | ive copied the same exact info a working machine is using, and changed the ip to 151 instead of 150, and it doesn't seem to work. |
| 02:31.29 | eusid | i['ll sum up my question better as follows..... |
| 02:31.32 | cesurasean | ive even tried to add a default gateway |
| 02:31.39 | nsadmin | only once you know what the problem is, and so far I don't think anyone does yet |
| 02:31.51 | cesurasean | how do i find what the problem is? |
| 02:32.00 | nsadmin | eusid, oh, there was a question? |
| 02:32.06 | ajikeshi_ | cesurasean, can you post the output of ifconfig for both hosts? |
| 02:32.13 | tensorpudding | eusid: if you're looking for advice on choosing a distro, you can guess what the people of this channel are going to recommend |
| 02:32.34 | nsadmin | no he can't; I don't recommend debian or any other dist. |
| 02:32.41 | ajikeshi_ | eusid, http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ |
| 02:32.42 | ajikeshi_ | xD |
| 02:32.50 | tensorpudding | nsadmin: what do you recommend? |
| 02:33.03 | un214 | it sounds like the router doesn't like to forward his packets |
| 02:33.08 | eusid | i want a nice light weight linux distro with plenty of developement support. I want away from this ubuntu 11 stuff because i hate the way its heading. in other words i dont necessarily want something as user friendly as ubuntu. however i dont want to be compiling everything i use either. |
| 02:33.09 | ajikeshi_ | ya |
| 02:33.19 | nsadmin | that HE choose his dist first, and COMMIT to that choice. |
| 02:33.28 | ajikeshi_ | un214, or that something else might be wrong if he duplicated his machine |
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| 02:33.37 | un214 | eusid: sounds like why I left ubuntu as well |
| 02:33.38 | ajikeshi_ | like identical mac address |
| 02:33.47 | ajikeshi_ | or the VM is "weird" :D |
| 02:33.56 | eusid | nsadmin: i chose first i chose ubuntu, now i'm in search of something thats not trying to be a mac. |
| 02:33.56 | jptouch | hi |
| 02:33.57 | nsadmin | having said that, I don't mind if he changes his mind tomorrow as long as he makes a choice here/now |
| 02:34.06 | un214 | or rotuer doesn't like two mach addresses for one ethernet port |
| 02:34.12 | cesurasean | guys, i can't access the internet. i can only ping my router. what do i need to look at because adding a default route gw ?? |
| 02:34.21 | cesurasean | i am having a hard time pastining anything... |
| 02:34.21 | tensorpudding | eusid: well, try something else |
| 02:34.24 | eusid | i want a distro that will help me become a better linux operator as well as help me along in my development by offering plenty of resources |
| 02:34.28 | nsadmin | eusid, I have no definition for "trying to be a mac" |
| 02:34.31 | nikito28 | jojo |
| 02:34.50 | boudiccas | cesurasean; if you cant access th einternet how are you managing to talk here? |
| 02:34.51 | eusid | nsadmin: look at natty/unity on ubuntu 11 and you will see what i mean |
| 02:35.08 | nsadmin | eusid, howbout this: install whichever dist with NO graphics whatsoever |
| 02:35.12 | un214 | esuid: they say if you take any particular distro you learn that distro but if you take slackware you learn unix |
| 02:35.22 | un214 | but if you take slackware you will be installing lots of stuff |
| 02:35.25 | cesurasean | boudiccas, im not on the same network |
| 02:35.27 | ajikeshi_ | un214, why not LFS |
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| 02:35.42 | ajikeshi_ | cesurasean, well basically check both ifconfig outputs |
| 02:35.43 | cesurasean | guys, when i ping 8.8.8.8 it says network unreachable..... does this mean anything to anyone? |
| 02:35.45 | un214 | ajikeshi_: I suppose you could |
| 02:35.56 | cesurasean | I have checked both ifconfig outputs, and they look the same! |
| 02:35.57 | tensorpudding | eusid: i recommend not choosing distros solely for the reason of learning linux, because you can learn the important stuff on any distro |
| 02:36.11 | nsadmin | cesurasean, you can't reach the IP from the place you're trying to ping from |
| 02:36.29 | un214 | my primary recommendation is debian if broadband is available, slackware is not |
| 02:36.33 | un214 | if not |
| 02:36.40 | tensorpudding | eusid: like i used gentoo for a while to "learn linux", but the main thing it taught me was how to be frustrated by dysfunction and long compile times |
| 02:36.42 | cesurasean | nsadmin, what? i don't understand your statement. |
| 02:36.46 | un214 | (slackware got a lot better picks on the default install) |
| 02:36.48 | eusid | un214: yeah as i said though, i want it to be friendly enough that i dont have to compile/install everything without a package manager. i dont want to waste all my time compiling etc. i want to learn linux at my own paste. so it needs to be user friendly enough to immediately develop in but not so user friendly that its spewing out 3d icons at me.\ |
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| 02:37.00 | cesurasean | CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME OUT? |
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| 02:37.14 | nsadmin | actually "network unreachable" means that the whole destination subnet is not reachable and maybe not even determinable from that host |
| 02:37.19 | un214 | personally I'd recommend debian for that case |
| 02:37.35 | cesurasean | nsadmin, so how do i fix my problem? |
| 02:37.44 | ajikeshi_ | cesurasean, check ifconfig from both hosts |
| 02:37.52 | eusid | debian it is then mostly what i have heard about debian is that it has a great development community |
| 02:38.01 | eusid | that is what i have read/ heard first hand multiple places |
| 02:38.35 | tensorpudding | eusid: debian isn't a big step from ubuntu, it definitely lacks a few things that ubuntu has but they feel a lot the same since they use the same package system/packages |
| 02:38.45 | cesurasean | ajikeshi_, i already have |
| 02:38.48 | cesurasean | they are identical |
| 02:38.57 | nsadmin | identical? |
| 02:38.58 | ajikeshi_ | O_o |
| 02:39.05 | ajikeshi_ | they mustnt be identical |
| 02:39.13 | eusid | tensorpudding: so i may be ahead to stay ubuntu because i was able to get that bullshit off of there the dashboard......on the login you can go ubuntu classic...\ |
| 02:39.17 | un214 | anyway I jumped from ubuntu when it went sour |
| 02:39.29 | eusid | but unbutu wants me to buy stuff now etc etc and i aint down with that i came linux for a reason |
| 02:39.33 | eusid | dev, free |
| 02:39.42 | tensorpudding | "buy stuff"? |
| 02:39.46 | eusid | yup |
| 02:39.48 | ajikeshi_ | tensorpudding, dropbox |
| 02:39.49 | tensorpudding | what is that? |
| 02:39.54 | eusid | i know |
| 02:39.54 | cesurasean | pinging 8.8.8.8 says network unreachable. any help with this guys? |
| 02:39.56 | eusid | what is that |
| 02:39.59 | eusid | i dont buy windows stuff |
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| 02:40.08 | tensorpudding | no, i mean what stuff are you referring to |
| 02:40.28 | eusid | in the software manageer it has purchase |
| 02:40.31 | tensorpudding | ubuntu one or the buyable apps in the software center? |
| 02:40.33 | eusid | in a section |
| 02:40.40 | eusid | buyable apps |
| 02:40.43 | tensorpudding | there's only like thirty apps there |
| 02:40.48 | tensorpudding | almost all games |
| 02:41.00 | tensorpudding | they're provided by companies |
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| 02:41.13 | cesurasean | hello? |
| 02:41.19 | cesurasean | can soneone please assist me? |
| 02:41.25 | eusid | okay okay well still that kind of goes against what linux is does it not |
| 02:41.28 | cesurasean | my server is down and doesnt need to be! |
| 02:41.30 | tensorpudding | not really |
| 02:41.30 | ajikeshi_ | we already asked you to provide us with ifconfig from both hosts |
| 02:41.51 | rhenani | Does some know if is possible to install counterstrike on debian? |
| 02:41.52 | tensorpudding | it does go against what debian stands for though |
| 02:41.54 | un214 | cesurasean: you've got something crazy probably with your router and nobody has been able to figure it out without the complete config |
| 02:42.15 | nsadmin | eusid: linux can be anything, make no mistake about that |
| 02:42.15 | ajikeshi_ | un214, ack.. either router... or vm |
| 02:42.28 | boudiccas | !volunteer |
| 02:42.28 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 02:42.35 | tensorpudding | but in any event, debian won't have the software center or pay software or the fancy theming |
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| 02:42.40 | tensorpudding | it will have all the free software though |
| 02:42.50 | ajikeshi_ | un214, i think its still possible that both nic for the hosts are using the same mac |
| 02:42.53 | tensorpudding | so essentially removing the stuff you said you don't like about ubuntu |
| 02:43.05 | nsadmin | or rather never adding it |
| 02:43.13 | tensorpudding | well yes |
| 02:43.19 | tensorpudding | but from his point of view, it's a loss |
| 02:43.32 | un214 | I lost it when ubuntu when they rolled out plymouth |
| 02:43.58 | un214 | they just don't care that they broke lots of stuff by absoltuely depending on fbcon |
| 02:44.12 | nsadmin | oic... or, from his pov it's "forward (click click) into the past" |
| 02:44.22 | eusid | are there more tools available for debian or ubuntu, well i guess the same since same package manager ? and if your willing to compile you can run anything correct. the problem is i'm not willing to compile unless i'm compiling my own app :) |
| 02:44.46 | tensorpudding | ubuntu gets its packages from debian, there's a rather sizeable overlap |
| 02:45.04 | un214 | I've had to compile a handful of things |
| 02:45.07 | eusid | so your saying debian has more? |
| 02:45.13 | un214 | It's always been follow the instructions |
| 02:45.21 | tensorpudding | well, they both provide their own packages that aren't shared |
| 02:45.25 | nsadmin | eusid: unless you're like 4 years old, you will not have time to evaluate everything packaged, much less everything installable |
| 02:45.43 | eusid | i'm 3 so i have even more time. |
| 02:45.46 | tensorpudding | they have enough packages that you will rarely find it lacking |
| 02:45.48 | unforgiven512 | What is the exact command that "adduser" runs? |
| 02:45.51 | un214 | !tell eusid about backports |
| 02:46.00 | DanDare | Hello there. Im using Lenny. When I try "apache2-ssl-certificate" (trying a tutorial http://www.debian-administration.org/article/349/Setting_up_an_SSL_server_with_Apache2 ) it doesnt find the script. Someone know what I must to install to have the script or any alternative I can use ? |
| 02:46.05 | unforgiven512 | I've noticed that adduser is not very script-friendly, and useradd is prefferred |
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| 02:46.18 | tensorpudding | the one thing to get used to with debian is that it has a very slow release cycle compared to ubuntu |
| 02:46.21 | nsadmin | eusid, the furthest toward a recommendation I would give, is debian might work out for you |
| 02:46.46 | tensorpudding | stability is valued |
| 02:47.11 | un214 | backports and apt-get -b will usually get you out of trouble |
| 02:47.12 | nsadmin | true, from a server standpoint mostly |
| 02:47.50 | tensorpudding | you can run testing pretty safely though |
| 02:48.04 | un214 | just be careful in testing |
| 02:48.12 | un214 | you might have to back something out |
| 02:48.31 | un214 | (install sirc and lynx -- X is the most common thing broken) |
| 02:49.25 | eusid | well maybe someone who switched from ubuntu for the same reasons i did could give me a closer recommendation was it you un214 that said unity ran you off? |
| 02:49.37 | un214 | I left before unity |
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| 02:49.45 | un214 | plymouth + upstart + mountall drove me off |
| 02:50.04 | un214 | for want of a nicer and maybe faster boot process they violated too many core rules |
| 02:50.13 | tensorpudding | core rules? |
| 02:50.17 | nsadmin | upstart or somethign like it is coming |
| 02:50.19 | jptouch | hi all |
| 02:50.29 | tensorpudding | coming? to debian? |
| 02:50.37 | unforgiven512 | Is there any way I can use adduser in a script and ignore the "GECOS" stuff? |
| 02:50.39 | jptouch | bye |
| 02:50.44 | tensorpudding | i thought debian was pretty strongly not in favor of using upstart |
| 02:50.56 | un214 | so did I |
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| 02:51.02 | un214 | if upstart comes I branch it |
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| 02:51.59 | eusid | lol one question can i keep my free 2gb ubuntuone acct without using ubuntu :):) |
| 02:52.04 | un214 | tensorpudding: the core rule was violating depends invariant to the point where it was one dropped message from mounting a filesystem rw while fsck was still running on it |
| 02:52.32 | unforgiven512 | eusid: Why not use a free 2GB dropbox account? |
| 02:52.43 | eusid | ubuntuone is free |
| 02:52.45 | tensorpudding | dropbox isn't the same as ubuntu one |
| 02:52.57 | eusid | and yes its not the same as a dro box |
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| 02:52.59 | eusid | you can share |
| 02:53.00 | nsadmin | eusid: why not? the question would become, is it useful |
| 02:53.01 | unforgiven512 | eusid: I can actually make it 2.25GB if you use my referral link (DISCLAIMER: I get an extra 256MB for free as well) |
| 02:53.04 | eusid | if i wanted a drop box i'd use gmailfs |
| 02:53.16 | unforgiven512 | Dropbox and Ubuntu One are basically the same thing |
| 02:53.23 | tensorpudding | not really |
| 02:53.27 | unforgiven512 | Ubuntu One just has the couchdb stuff for contacts |
| 02:53.36 | eusid | umm nope |
| 02:53.38 | tensorpudding | ubuntu one does contacts syncing with android |
| 02:53.46 | eusid | you can also publish your files so they are accessible by all through http |
| 02:53.47 | unforgiven512 | So does gmail? |
| 02:54.03 | unforgiven512 | You can do that with dropbox too -- just put them in the public folder? |
| 02:54.06 | tensorpudding | but does gmail contacts work with evolution? |
| 02:54.08 | eusid | no theres an app you can get that makes gmail into a drop box a 7.5gib one at that |
| 02:54.11 | eusid | yes it does |
| 02:54.14 | unforgiven512 | tensorpudding: I have no issues with it. |
| 02:54.16 | eusid | evolution supports everything now |
| 02:54.35 | unforgiven512 | Evolution works with all google services short of contacts |
| 02:54.36 | tensorpudding | it also works with the music store |
| 02:54.48 | un214 | eusid: anyway I saw what unity was and when I did I decided I'm never going back |
| 02:54.53 | unforgiven512 | err |
| 02:54.54 | unforgiven512 | tasks |
| 02:54.58 | eusid | unforgiven512: no evolution works with google contacts as well..... |
| 02:55.07 | eusid | ohh excuse i'm sorry |
| 02:55.09 | unforgiven512 | And, at I/O earlier this week, Google announced Tasks API |
| 02:55.10 | un214 | you're kind of right I decided they were abandoing what is means to be unix |
| 02:55.12 | eusid | i'm thinking empathy |
| 02:55.17 | unforgiven512 | eusid: That was my mistake =p |
| 02:55.25 | unforgiven512 | I meant to say tasks not contacts |
| 02:55.30 | unforgiven512 | It works with contacts, mail, calendar |
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| 02:56.04 | unforgiven512 | eusid: What do you use in U1 that is not present in DB? |
| 02:56.26 | eusid | yeah theres just no many distro available its hard to pick one my first distro was redhat 5.1 came with the old old book "mastering linux" |
| 02:56.34 | tensorpudding | oh wait, the real difference |
| 02:56.38 | tensorpudding | ubuntu one is encrypted |
| 02:56.46 | unforgiven512 | So is Dropbox |
| 02:56.50 | tensorpudding | no it's not |
| 02:56.54 | unforgiven512 | 256 bit AES, I believe |
| 02:57.10 | unforgiven512 | Yep. |
| 02:57.21 | unforgiven512 | 256 bit AES: https://www.dropbox.com/help/27 |
| 02:57.26 | eusid | unforgiven512: i coudlnt tell you since i havent used drop box but i am familiar with such services and from my experience the files are generally only accessible to those with the login/pass of the acct |
| 02:57.57 | un214 | there's a pretty good chance that ubuntu one's tools can be installed on debian with the apt-get -b trick that I don't remenber the invocation to check dpkg for |
| 02:58.07 | un214 | it's related to single package from side |
| 02:58.07 | unforgiven512 | eusid: I've used both, and honestly, they are practically the same, short of the contacts and "music store" integration. |
| 02:58.12 | tensorpudding | oh, wait, it's not that they don't have encryption |
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| 02:58.19 | tensorpudding | but that they can decrypt your files |
| 02:58.34 | unforgiven512 | Then encrypt your critical files =p |
| 02:58.51 | unforgiven512 | I understand what you're saying, totally. |
| 02:59.04 | tensorpudding | it's not like the encryption is client-side |
| 02:59.12 | eusid | for purely a drop box though if you want to share a bunch of files with friends get the app gmailfs from majorgeeks.com or elsewhere and it adds a gmaildrive to a windows computer and you simply press send to gmail drive in windows and it auto uploads it as an email sent to yourself. however in order for others to get the files they must have the login/pass of the acct |
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| 02:59.20 | unforgiven512 | But, on the other hand, are all your GMail messages "secure"? No? That's why you use pgp =p |
| 02:59.27 | eusid | you have infinite gmail space as you can open infinite 7.5 gib accts |
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| 02:59.43 | un214 | don't do that eusid they might notice and close them all |
| 02:59.48 | unforgiven512 | eusid: I understand what you're saying. I think you're getting the name confused with the function. |
| 02:59.58 | tensorpudding | but anyway |
| 03:00.00 | cesurasean | weird |
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| 03:00.14 | cesurasean | for some reason i changed the ip, rebooted, and changed back, and now my system is working like it should |
| 03:00.23 | cesurasean | stupid Debian acting like microsoft! heh |
| 03:00.25 | unforgiven512 | Dropbox is a multi-PC sync program. It syncs your files across many PCs, as Ubuntu One does. You can selectively share files, a la Ubuntu One. |
| 03:00.38 | tensorpudding | this is irrelevant since dropbox can do most of what you want |
| 03:00.56 | tensorpudding | and it's free |
| 03:01.08 | tensorpudding | and supports windows |
| 03:01.11 | eusid | okay what about sharing files that one might deem "inappropriate" which one could i do that on? |
| 03:01.33 | tensorpudding | something that doesn't sync with a remote server |
| 03:01.46 | eusid | as you know i advocate free even if it means boarding their ship with my pirate m8s and taking it! |
| 03:02.07 | unforgiven512 | eusid: Well, you could do it with dropbox -- just don't send tell dropbox it's an "inappropriate" file |
| 03:02.08 | un214 | well for any online service I'd recommend encrypt all |
| 03:02.16 | tensorpudding | #debian does not codone piracy |
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| 03:02.20 | tensorpudding | condone* |
| 03:02.29 | eusid | dont care what debian condones |
| 03:02.43 | eusid | i dont condone you not condoning piracy |
| 03:02.51 | unforgiven512 | eusid: I share "borderline-legality" files with my dropbox |
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| 03:03.11 | nsadmin | eusid, don't get hostile... either calm yourself or go away |
| 03:03.17 | eusid | is it dropbox.com? |
| 03:03.21 | unforgiven512 | Not necessarily pirated, but, perhaps encumbered by patents or weird licensing. |
| 03:03.23 | tensorpudding | i meant #debian, the chatroom |
| 03:03.23 | unforgiven512 | Yeah. |
| 03:03.32 | eusid | i'm not hostile friend, i just got witty with him that was all. |
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| 03:03.52 | unforgiven512 | eusid: If you would like to use my referral link, we will both get an additional 256MB of storage, free of charge. |
| 03:03.58 | eusid | unforgiven512: hook me up with dropbox url i'll use your link |
| 03:04.02 | unforgiven512 | Alright |
| 03:04.15 | eusid | pm pls |
| 03:04.22 | unforgiven512 | And honestly, worst case scenario, it doesn't meet your needs, you close the account. You know? |
| 03:04.35 | eusid | gotcha anything free i'm down to try |
| 03:04.57 | eusid | i was just enjoying the ease of use of ubuntu1 to quickly share files with large amounts of people |
| 03:05.27 | eusid | eliminates the need for me to run an ftp etc |
| 03:05.34 | eusid | or upload it to my web server |
| 03:06.01 | nsadmin | eusid: it's really better off if you take the warez crap elsewhere |
| 03:06.16 | eusid | please dont call it crap. |
| 03:06.41 | eusid | because without the ability to use say adobe products at age 12, i couldnt be an adequate web designer at 16 |
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| 03:06.53 | nsadmin | don't discuss it here. take it somewhere else if it's not specifically debian support |
| 03:06.58 | rhenani | Can some one help me if there is a way to install in linux that you cante screenshots and it provides the option to edit them?? |
| 03:07.04 | eusid | and without the ability to use professional music softwares at age 16 i wouldnt be a professional music producer at age 25 |
| 03:07.27 | nsadmin | !ops warez fool eusid |
| 03:07.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: warez fool eusid |
| 03:07.31 | eusid | or ever, becuase we all know none of those products are affordable to anybody hardly |
| 03:08.03 | nsadmin | it's out of my hands now; convince one of the ops |
| 03:08.07 | tensorpudding | it's not like the products actually run in linux |
| 03:08.11 | eusid | fuck if i care |
| 03:08.19 | eusid | you remind me of a little tattle taling grade schooler rofl |
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| 03:08.39 | nsadmin | eusid: who follows you everywhere you go too? |
| 03:08.44 | Datz | Hi, my dns resolution through my router is broken, so dhclient.conf now prepends a google nameserver in resolv.conf which works. But for some reason, resolving takes a long time. Can anyone think of any reason for this, and how I might go about speeding things up? |
| 03:09.13 | eusid | pretty much if you dont like what i'm saying ignore me |
| 03:09.21 | eusid | nobody else seems to have a problem |
| 03:09.22 | nsadmin | not going to happen. |
| 03:09.25 | eusid | see |
| 03:09.30 | eusid | your stupidity shines |
| 03:09.42 | boudiccas | !volunteer |
| 03:09.42 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 03:10.05 | eusid | yes i get that part but he's done nothing for me |
| 03:10.10 | eusid | except cause me problems |
| 03:10.12 | eusid | and waste my time |
| 03:10.14 | nsadmin | fails to volunteer to help him steal software |
| 03:10.15 | eusid | and be an asshole |
| 03:10.43 | path | there was a way to make more readable if I do select * from pg_settings; in a horizontal form. |
| 03:10.49 | path | can't remember how to do it |
| 03:10.50 | path | :/ |
| 03:11.14 | nsadmin | you have no idea, and you've seen nothing... if you don't want to be treated as/by an asshole, your best bet at this point is find another irc net |
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| 03:14.02 | nsadmin | path: postgresql.org has docs |
| 03:14.05 | aussa | hi, while trying to execute a command I get an error saying it can't find a library or something, how do I specify where to look for it? |
| 03:14.15 | path | \x it was |
| 03:14.16 | path | :) |
| 03:14.24 | aussa | like this: freewrl: error while loading shared libraries: libFreeWRL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:14.39 | aussa | I found the file |
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| 03:15.10 | nsadmin | aussa, set path to your libs in the env var LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 03:17.59 | aussa | ok.... how do I do that? :S |
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| 03:19.47 | nsadmin | in posix shell language, LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/path/to/dir/containing/lib" |
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| 03:23.17 | asarch | Where can I learn more about Debian-style GRUB configuration? |
| 03:23.28 | asarch | It's so different from Gentoo's |
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| 03:25.20 | nsadmin | the debian grub config has a script that writes the config file |
| 03:25.31 | asarch | I need to setup the Xen dom0 |
| 03:25.45 | asarch | What is the name of that script? |
| 03:25.51 | asarch | dpkg-reconfigure grub? |
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| 03:26.14 | nsadmin | isn't it already set up? |
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| 03:26.41 | aussa | nsadmin: any example of how to do that? sry... |
| 03:26.47 | nsadmin | don't you get the hypervisor lines in the grub menu when you boot? |
| 03:26.47 | asarch | is afraid to "erase" the friend's Window partition |
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| 03:27.03 | nsadmin | umm :) |
| 03:27.32 | nsadmin | if you're not familiar with the software I recommend you back up the entire hd |
| 03:28.03 | nsadmin | nothing short of that will protect whoever owns the box |
| 03:28.54 | asarch | No, xm can't list them |
| 03:29.36 | asarch | WARNING! Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs! |
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| 03:38.08 | nsadmin | asarch, you're in a specific position here, you're working on another person's computer to get this thing working and potentially altering partitions (adding, resizing, deleting) are particular points of massive loss |
| 03:38.38 | nsadmin | you might want to get yourself out of the middle here |
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| 03:42.28 | wols_ | how can one fear erasing a partition with calling update-grub2? |
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| 03:46.25 | PerfM | So if I say, "TRALALALALALALALAL" are you gonna ask for me to get k-lined too? |
| 03:48.21 | Rusty1 | !sunday |
| 03:48.21 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:48.49 | rypervenche | lol |
| 03:48.50 | red2kic | !monday |
| 03:48.50 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see <tuesday> |
| 03:49.06 | wols_ | PerfM: what tekjess does is a long standing firewall exploit which has been punished with a kline forever. the zeroes at the end caused people to disconnect |
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| 03:49.44 | wols_ | PerfM: so maybe you should inform yourself before you come gawking and making stupid remarks. btw: do you have any debian related question? |
| 03:50.49 | PerfM | wols_: I dont know wtf debian is. So no. and I'm not gawking boyo. |
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| 03:52.26 | tensorpudding | why is sunday troll day? |
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| 03:53.06 | nsadmin | armchair backseat weekend quarterbacks |
| 03:53.08 | wols_ | cause it's only 3:54 UTC. still lots of sunday left in some parts |
| 03:53.52 | PerfM | tensorpudding: troll day is everday |
| 03:54.15 | nsadmin | all trolls day is Oct 31 isn't it? |
| 03:54.28 | tensorpudding | i see what you did there |
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| 03:55.07 | nsadmin | they're suggesting people come out on the weekends that don't usually show up during the week |
| 03:55.33 | PerfM | nsadmin: lol who's suggestining that? |
| 03:55.44 | PerfM | uhm, suggesting* |
| 03:56.04 | nsadmin | whoever created this "sunday" thing |
| 03:56.14 | nsadmin | !factinfo sunday |
| 03:56.14 | dpkg | sunday -- last modified at Sun Jul 20 23:52:08 2003 by bahamat!bahamat@cpe-024-165-169-104.midsouth.rr.com; it has been requested 571 times, last by Rusty1, 7m 53s ago. |
| 03:56.20 | nsadmin | probably that guy |
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| 03:56.44 | PerfM | Strange, I dont know of this "sunday" thing |
| 03:57.04 | simonlnu | long standing #debian phenomenon |
| 03:57.09 | nsadmin | it's not important |
| 03:58.44 | Datz | Hi, my dns resolution through my router is broken, so dhclient.conf now prepends a google nameserver in resolv.conf which works. But for some reason, resolving takes a long time. Can anyone think of any reason for this, and how I might go about speeding things up? |
| 04:00.08 | asarch | nsadmin: The partitions are already defined |
| 04:00.17 | asarch | I only want to enable the dom0 |
| 04:00.38 | PerfM | Sooo, what is debian? Something stupid, or legitly cool? |
| 04:00.52 | simonlnu | www.debian.org |
| 04:02.30 | nevyn | PerfM: if you're asking you will probably consider it stupid. |
| 04:02.52 | PerfM | nevyn: I was just gonna say, if it can't be cool if I dont know about it |
| 04:03.25 | PerfM | simonlnu: pointless, I dont read. |
| 04:03.43 | asarch | Take a loot at fdisk -l: http://pastebin.com/dTLJF4n4 |
| 04:04.13 | asarch | When I load the dom0, then I will use Windows in the first partitions |
| 04:04.18 | asarch | *partition |
| 04:06.02 | simonlnu | PerfM: right. sure. whatever. *yawn* |
| 04:06.16 | pzkfw | 0/10 |
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| 04:10.00 | acu | I made a bootable usb stick - however is only taking 140MB or so iso file - how can I make that partition bigger (the stick is 2 GB) |
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| 04:13.07 | mrdeb | i have a qs |
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| 04:16.38 | acu | mrdeb: welcome, it seem you are for the first time here - just ask your question |
| 04:17.25 | acu | no, I am not a bot :) |
| 04:17.45 | acu | !bot |
| 04:17.45 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 04:18.20 | nevyn | !abuse dpkg |
| 04:18.21 | dpkg | smacks dpkg across the face. "Take that, you bastard!" |
| 04:18.34 | acu | :) |
| 04:18.51 | acu | that is the beauty of bots - they are emotional inteligent :) |
| 04:20.01 | WTfack | If I rage hardcore and swear like a fucking shithawk, will someone report me in #freenode, and ask for me to be k-lined? |
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| 04:20.18 | lastnode | there you go |
| 04:22.11 | mrdeb | what is the advantage of debian over another linux |
| 04:22.31 | acu | mrdeb: debian is a distribution of linux |
| 04:22.35 | acu | based on linux |
| 04:22.39 | acu | gnu/linux |
| 04:24.01 | acu | it has easy packages to install - it is freedom oriented - is the father of a lot of distros - Ubuntu etc - it is stable and it runs on almost any conceivable hardware |
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| 04:24.24 | rich0 | I'm still trying to decide what to run on new hacktop |
| 04:24.39 | rich0 | what's debian's ARM support like? If I'm going to wind up building everything from source I'll just go *bsd |
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| 04:25.49 | acu | rich0: start from here http://www.debian.org/ |
| 04:25.51 | rgr | absolute disaster here on my machine - too late at night ... I just managed to delete my /etc/passwd file thinking I was in /etc/exim4 .. any steps to recover? I have same userids etc on other machines. Sob ... |
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| 04:26.41 | mrdeb | why did you do this |
| 04:26.53 | acu | how did you delete them - are you in gnome ? |
| 04:26.55 | simonlnu | /usr/share/base-passwd/passwd.master |
| 04:27.00 | simonlnu | good start ^^ |
| 04:27.15 | rich0 | acu: I can read, I was more asking for feedback from someone who's running/has run it. |
| 04:27.46 | mrdeb | run what |
| 04:28.00 | rich0 | debian's ARM port |
| 04:28.02 | Holborn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.07 | mrdeb | no |
| 04:28.15 | rgr | The usual comedians I see... |
| 04:28.43 | simonlnu | that too. hopefully it's been running for more than a day, so you'll have a full copy of passwd |
| 04:29.10 | simonlnu | comedians? i don't see anyone making jokes right now |
| 04:29.17 | nevyn | rgr: just copy it. but. you're probably sol. |
| 04:29.45 | nevyn | rgr: debian creates accounts at package install time for stuff |
| 04:29.57 | nevyn | rgr: next time install etckeeper |
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| 04:30.11 | simonlnu | pats etckeeper |
| 04:30.21 | acu | rich0: is very useful to be able to read - you have to have people concrete questions - and hope those you need are awake - but if you do a google arm and debian squeeze - I guess you can write too :) I personally did not install it on arm (yet) |
| 04:30.26 | rgr | I used to have that - this is a fairlney new install. If its the same users and gids can I use the same file from another machine running debian? |
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| 04:30.58 | simonlnu | only if the id numbers are the same, otherwise you have a bit of work to do |
| 04:31.00 | nevyn | rgr: the problem is that the uid of service accounts is AIUI dependant on package installation order |
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| 04:31.34 | rgr | thats what I thought. |
| 04:31.36 | rich0 | acu: I was concerned that the response would be "Debian's arm support isn't great" which is unlikely to be in the wiki ;) Debian's ppc64 support was mdae out to be reasonable which turned out not to be the case, in the end. |
| 04:31.37 | nevyn | so if you install ftpd then puppet (for example the uid's for those accounts are not fixed.) |
| 04:32.04 | rgr | but since I cant become root I dont see how I can recreate it anyway |
| 04:32.07 | mrdeb | what do ou have that uses arm |
| 04:32.27 | simonlnu | an arm cpu.. |
| 04:33.00 | nevyn | rgr: install sudo as well ;) |
| 04:33.13 | rgr | I have sudo installed. |
| 04:33.16 | rgr | obviously.. |
| 04:33.31 | nevyn | rgr: so what's the problem |
| 04:33.40 | rgr | I'm not sure if Im being mocked here or not ;) A silly mistake and I cant see how even if I have a copy I can copy it back. |
| 04:33.42 | mrdeb | on what |
| 04:33.45 | mrdeb | a phone or something |
| 04:34.01 | rgr | nevyn: ? I cant sudo since there is no passwd file.. |
| 04:34.12 | nevyn | rgr: so before your sudo credentials expire just make a passwd with a root entry |
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| 04:34.36 | rgr | I have no sudo credentials and can not sudo .. |
| 04:34.40 | nevyn | rgr: reboot with init=/bin/sh |
| 04:34.45 | nevyn | then make a passwd file |
| 04:35.22 | Dirus | is it possible to use the sid kernel on a squeeze system? I'm looking for a feature found in 2.6.38 |
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| 04:35.46 | rgr | nevyn: reboot with init=/bin/sh . is this some easy config tweek in grub or? |
| 04:36.23 | simonlnu | no need to edit grub, just add / change it in the grub menu |
| 04:36.56 | nevyn | rgr: but you probably need to re-install to make stuff actually work |
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| 04:37.10 | simonlnu | Dirus: only if the deps can be satisfied, um, satisfactorily |
| 04:37.10 | rgr | Now I guess that having an lvm means I am hosed. |
| 04:37.13 | nevyn | as you don't have a backup and you don't have the uid's for system programs. |
| 04:37.18 | nevyn | rgr: umm no. |
| 04:37.28 | simonlnu | not at all |
| 04:37.36 | nevyn | rgr: actually |
| 04:37.47 | rgr | I do have a backup (kind of) .. but I dont see how to copy it to /etc. Maybe I'm panicing a little ;) |
| 04:37.49 | nevyn | your initrd may have a copy of passwd baked into it. |
| 04:37.54 | rgr | oooo |
| 04:38.09 | rgr | which I wont be able to extract as I cant log in as root. |
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| 04:38.23 | Dirus | simonlnu: how can I tell this? download the deb and try to install it? |
| 04:38.34 | simonlnu | yeh, best to just be cool about it. (almost) nothing is unrecoverable |
| 04:38.36 | nevyn | boot a rescue CD and do it from there. |
| 04:38.49 | rgr | yeah true |
| 04:38.56 | simonlnu | Dirus: download it and dpkg -c it, or visit package.debian.org |
| 04:39.02 | simonlnu | packages* |
| 04:39.29 | rgr | there is no way to copy it into place without rebooting then? |
| 04:40.08 | rgr | mental note - never delete things beginning with "pass" before quadruple checking your path ... |
| 04:40.32 | simonlnu | indeed ;). always be sure of your cwd |
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| 04:42.15 | rgr | Holborn: thank you. I mistook your answer. That is the answer. Many many thanks. |
| 04:43.03 | rgr | simonlnu: so when I reboot its eas to do this init=/bin/sh thing and get my lvm visible? |
| 04:44.49 | Dirus | I did lowercase c instead of upper and it seemed to list the contents, but the --help doesn't explain what it does/did |
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| 04:45.19 | Dirus | or was that right? -C is for audit I can't find lowercase c |
| 04:46.00 | Dirus | oh I think -c is short for --contents |
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| 04:48.49 | Dirus | I did -I and looked at requirements, aren't met |
| 04:48.52 | Dirus | oh well |
| 04:49.02 | Dirus | probably best to wait anyway |
| 04:49.52 | dudz_ | all those options will be described in the manual pages |
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| 04:50.53 | Dirus | I was using --help, but figured it out anyway |
| 04:51.08 | dudz_ | sweet |
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| 04:52.02 | nsadmin | Dirus, you're getting all that from the man page? |
| 04:52.27 | Dirus | nsadmin: I didn't check the man pages, I just used dpkg --help |
| 04:52.52 | nsadmin | which is a good summary |
| 04:52.55 | Dirus | which led me to -I which shows minimum version requirements |
| 04:53.36 | Dirus | and then I checked to see what was available, and it didn't match (required base 3, has 2.X) |
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| 04:54.14 | Dirus | not sure what you meant by "all from the man page", but I hope that explains it |
| 04:54.21 | simonlnu | Dirus: -c is ok, was supposed to also display the control file contents (and i'm probably misremembering the flag) |
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| 04:55.16 | Dirus | who? |
| 04:56.16 | simonlnu | rgr |
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| 04:57.30 | kishy | hmm...follow up from earlier |
| 04:58.07 | kishy | i want to disable the specific automatic fsck check that happens as a result of the 'last check' being 'in the future' (as the system boots up with its RTC defaulted; cannot save date/time) |
| 04:58.19 | kishy | all i see are ways to disable it by the 'time since last check' |
| 04:58.29 | kishy | not a way to disable it based on that particular inconsistency |
| 04:59.30 | nvz | kishy: ext2/3? |
| 04:59.32 | kishy | if i manually set the 'time of last check' with tune2fs, it will work until the next check |
| 04:59.36 | kishy | ext3, nvz |
| 05:00.04 | kishy | granted, this box is not rebooted or powered off terribly often, but it bugs me that there doesnt appear to be a way to do this |
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| 05:00.12 | nvz | kishy: ok well as you pointed out tune2fs may only help if setting max mount count to 0 or -1 |
| 05:00.29 | nvz | kishy: but you can also change the dump/pass in fstab |
| 05:00.42 | mrdeb | what does fstab stand for |
| 05:00.50 | nvz | filesytem table |
| 05:00.50 | kishy | see, i do want it to still do its thing where after x number of boots, it will check |
| 05:01.02 | kishy | i just do not want it to do the checks based on date inconsistencies |
| 05:01.08 | nvz | haha |
| 05:01.14 | mrdeb | kind of misleading |
| 05:01.21 | nvz | I want to sit around and do nothing and still get paid |
| 05:01.27 | nvz | doesnt mean its gonna happen |
| 05:01.31 | kishy | this is true lol |
| 05:01.37 | nvz | fix the f'n time issue one way or another.. |
| 05:01.52 | kishy | there is no cmos battery...it's a wyse winterm lol |
| 05:02.03 | nvz | linux needs accurate time in more ways than one, either rewrite the whole OS or just solve the problem |
| 05:02.28 | nvz | doesnt stop you from acquiring accurate time across a network |
| 05:02.31 | kishy | use ntp to grab the time on each boot...so just the time until ntp has been run is the 'back in 2006' zone |
| 05:02.43 | kishy | unfortunately that fsck check runs first |
| 05:02.50 | nvz | kishy: then change that |
| 05:03.16 | nvz | you have control over the order scripts load |
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| 05:03.31 | kishy | oh? whereabouts, if i may ask? (linux in general is not my forte) |
| 05:04.05 | kishy | i figured it could be done with other stuff, but it seems like the fsck wants to go before ANYTHING else |
| 05:04.14 | nvz | kishy: basically speaking sysv init works like this, scripts are in /etc/init.d/ and links to them are placed in runlevels /etc/rc?.d/ where ? is the runlevel |
| 05:04.49 | nvz | kishy: they start with either S (Start) or K (kill) followed by a number that is their priority in the init of that runlevel |
| 05:05.51 | kishy | ok, so i have 7 (0-6) rc#.d directories |
| 05:05.52 | nvz | kishy: I believe the checks are performed by /etc/rcS.d/S30checkfs.sh |
| 05:06.06 | kishy | ah, and that one |
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| 05:06.08 | nvz | kishy: and rcS.d |
| 05:06.35 | kishy | i suppose it's just a coincidence that the model of this box is S30? lol |
| 05:06.41 | nvz | haha |
| 05:07.09 | nvz | maybe it was some sick joke to linux users from the makers of it |
| 05:07.19 | kishy | ok, so, with that - is rcS.d before rc0 |
| 05:07.22 | kishy | how does it play in |
| 05:07.36 | nvz | kishy: rc0.d is halt (runlevel 0) |
| 05:07.57 | kishy | (if i am to understand this, i need to pluck out where ntp starts, and plug it into place before fsck) |
| 05:08.17 | nvz | kishy: your system by default boots rcS.d (startup) then goes to rc2.d (debian default runlevel 2) as defined in /etc/inittab |
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| 05:08.58 | nvz | kishy: in one form or another.. moving ntp will be less destuctive than moving the check of filesystems |
| 05:09.15 | kishy | that's what i figured...least amount of disruption |
| 05:09.22 | kishy | so...how to figure out where ntp is then... |
| 05:09.33 | nvz | because certain things require that to have already happened as the filesystems boot read-only and that script if its the right one I'm thinking of, remounts them rw |
| 05:11.22 | nvz | kishy: ls /etc/rc?.d | grep ntp |
| 05:11.37 | nvz | will show you all links in all runlevels for ntp |
| 05:12.07 | rypervenche | I noticed that Debian is a completely free OS (when not using nonfree and contrib repos). How is it that I am able to listen to mp3s then? |
| 05:12.08 | nvz | actually now that I think about it so will grep ntp /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 05:12.36 | nvz | or no.. |
| 05:12.43 | nvz | had it right the first time |
| 05:12.45 | kishy | nvz: first one gave answers, second did not |
| 05:12.54 | kishy | um, but not sure what i'm seeing is useful |
| 05:13.28 | nvz | kishy: you can manually rename the links to change order.. but the tool to do that is update-rc.d |
| 05:13.58 | kishy | i'm not seeing a way to identify at which level(s) these results are |
| 05:14.11 | nvz | you could also ignorantly put a ntpdate command into the checkfs.sh script before it does fsck.. heh |
| 05:14.33 | kishy | hmm...now is that such a bad thing? :) |
| 05:14.47 | nvz | kishy: add an asterisk ls /etc/rc?.d/* | grep ntp |
| 05:14.55 | nvz | will then show the path of matches |
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| 05:15.08 | kishy | ah, it does |
| 05:15.18 | kishy | one result in every level, yay |
| 05:16.34 | nvz | yeah well only runlevels used in a default debian system are S, 1, 2, 0, 6 |
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| 05:16.47 | nvz | all levels 2-5 are the same configuration by default |
| 05:16.57 | nvz | normal system boot is S, 2 |
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| 05:17.16 | kishy | ah - a google result says something i must have missed in the man page |
| 05:17.26 | kishy | apparently if i dis...oh, no, that's not right |
| 05:17.30 | nvz | if its told to go single user or encounters an error that goes into a maint shell it only boots S, 1 or just S |
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| 05:18.05 | nvz | reads checkfs.sh to see if thats the script he's thinking of |
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| 05:18.34 | kishy | it might actually be as simple as a tune2fs thing |
| 05:18.59 | kishy | apparently if i disable the interval-based checking, it will still do the mount-count based checking |
| 05:19.11 | kishy | i figured they were the same thing |
| 05:19.50 | kishy | well...only one way to find out, i s'pose |
| 05:20.21 | nvz | yeah tune2fs is the simplest route, but if its not working, then you gotta fix the time issue |
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| 05:20.42 | yagoo | . |
| 05:21.17 | kishy | i do intend also to figure out if there's a place in the circuit (if they used off the shelf pc components, there is) to attach a battery |
| 05:21.23 | nvz | which you really should do anyhow.. because fsck will be very angry if the time is wrong when whichever init.d script remounts the drive rw and something starts writing the system with dates in the past |
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| 05:22.09 | kishy | the system of course has an RTC, just no provision to keep it going, it seems |
| 05:22.43 | nvz | yeah well you need to have that RTC set as early as possible preferably before the filesystem is mounted rw |
| 05:23.05 | kishy | defaults to something in 2006 at each poweron |
| 05:23.19 | nvz | @.@ |
| 05:23.19 | kishy | so i end up with files dated 2011 etc...clock says 06 |
| 05:24.05 | kishy | now, if power is not interrupted, it keeps it going |
| 05:24.48 | kishy | but between crappy ebay power cords for its brick and migrating storage media and borrowing the RAM...lol... |
| 05:25.05 | nsadmin | you can run ntp |
| 05:25.34 | kishy | definitely, and i do - but the issue we've been discussing is that ntp comes after fsck |
| 05:25.40 | nvz | nsadmin: welcome to the party, you're unfashionably late |
| 05:25.42 | kishy | so fsck freaks out and runs a scan on every boot |
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| 05:26.07 | nsadmin | unfashionable omg! |
| 05:26.24 | nsadmin | s/able/able?/ |
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| 05:26.28 | nvz | nsadmin: I was giving bad advice that probably wasnt as bad as running linux on a system with no RTC battery |
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| 05:26.50 | kishy | nvz: har har :) |
| 05:26.53 | nvz | lesser of two evils |
| 05:26.56 | kishy | as a web server, no less |
| 05:26.59 | nvz | haha |
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| 05:27.08 | kishy | but it was either that or windows 98 |
| 05:27.14 | kishy | so...i think i made the right choice |
| 05:27.15 | nvz | :-O |
| 05:27.17 | nsadmin | oh, well... such a system shouldn't have files where he cares about timestapm |
| 05:27.30 | kishy | nsadmin: i dont care about the timestamps...fsck does |
| 05:27.41 | kishy | well, i like timestamps, they're nice... |
| 05:27.48 | kishy | i can live without them, though |
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| 05:28.11 | nsadmin | well you should consider getting a complete platform |
| 05:28.28 | LuisCarlos | Hi, I've just installed Debian for the very first time (I've used other distros before). I've got two questions: 1. Where is xorg.conf ? 2. How do I launch a software manager? In other distros, like Ubuntu, there is a software to do that, it just ask root pass before. |
| 05:28.30 | Guest46716 | well, got it back! |
| 05:28.36 | nvz | it was kinda ignorant to skimp out on a $3 clock battery |
| 05:29.03 | nvz | probably costs way less to a mass produced product manufacturer |
| 05:29.18 | kishy | nvz: yeah pennies per socket, pennies per battery, i'm sure... |
| 05:29.24 | Guest46716 | booted to sysrescue - hairy moment before I cleaned the dvd ... boot to root, vgchange -ay to enabled the lvm volumes, mount /dev/vg/root to t. and then copies the .bak file in /var/backups back to /etc |
| 05:29.40 | kishy | anyway i'll make a note to myself about your suggestions and if the tune2fs fix doesnt do it, i'll go that route |
| 05:29.43 | kishy | thanks nvz |
| 05:29.47 | nvz | kishy: even if they just soldered it onto the board.. heh |
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| 05:30.03 | nvz | didnt need a socket.. but the battery is kinda important |
| 05:30.04 | Guest46716 | only one thing appears broken - erc in emacs wont connect to the network. I guess thats another issue though. irssi and rxvt to the resuce for this irc session |
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| 05:30.54 | nvz | rxvt to the rescure, rxvt to the rescue.. |
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| 05:31.10 | nvz | swear I heard that song before |
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| 05:31.25 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:33.22 | nsadmin | kishy, to be brutally honest, you either all the way do not care about the file timestamps and should therefore not complain about any consequence, or else you completely do care, in which case you should do what's necessary to make sure your computer is complete, with rtc and battery |
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| 05:34.02 | kishy | nsadmin: which is something i plan to do, when someone can find me a schamatic for the motherboard :) |
| 05:34.03 | nsadmin | there are also multiple combinations available |
| 05:34.05 | kishy | chematic |
| 05:34.07 | kishy | SCHEMATIC |
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| 05:34.26 | kishy | why do caps help with that? idk. anyway, the board is not designed to have a battery |
| 05:34.47 | nsadmin | don't count out the possibility of replacing the mobo |
| 05:35.02 | kishy | istr there being something that looked suspiciously like a battery socket position on the board, but one leg had +5V |
| 05:35.11 | kishy | nsadmin: it's a winterm thin client... |
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| 05:37.46 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:38.04 | nvz | if its so concerned about its figure, that it won't eat a f'n clock battery |
| 05:38.17 | nvz | sounds like a psychological problem to me |
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| 05:39.03 | kishy | clearly...must get a specialist to check it out. him out? her out? |
| 05:40.06 | nvz | if its a her, I might be just that specialist... put one leg over my shoulder.. hmmm mmm mm mmmm mm mmmmm mmmmmm |
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| 05:41.11 | yagoo | high traffix across irc today.. got disc again |
| 05:41.28 | nvz | ah, I see, its the little man in the boat down here thats causing all your problems.. I can finger this one out if ya just gimme a few minutes.. |
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| 05:41.35 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:43.31 | nvz | irc generates about as much traffic as a smuggling operation that moves 1 armed gay asian midgets |
| 05:43.36 | khaleel5000 | hi on squeeze, i have hp dv5, nvidia 9600MGT using nvidia driverfs, I want to connect external monitor (hp lcd) via [dsub -the older blue coloured one ,not dvi not hdmi , the 3rd one, forgot its name) how do i do that ? |
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| 05:44.45 | yagoo | nvz, you live in the gat asiant midget village? |
| 05:44.50 | nvz | khaleel5000: you got my blessing, go right ahead |
| 05:44.59 | kishy | unrelated to anything relevant: filezilla got really slow for sftp in a recent release...frustrated the hell out of me...18KB/s over my LAN, yeah right. winscp pulls nearly a meg...not super fast, but faster by far |
| 05:45.20 | Guest20310 | woohoo, back up and running. Thank the Gods for debian's /var/backups |
| 05:45.24 | nvz | yagoo: no, but I got a friend from highschool she fancies midget asian hobos |
| 05:45.28 | Guest20310 | but still not nick free.. bah |
| 05:45.51 | khaleel5000 | nvz: i have connected it,no output, went to nvidia settings selected separate X, rebooted, nothing |
| 05:45.52 | yagoo | nvz, isnt r.stallman a midget? |
| 05:46.17 | nvz | yagoo: ok, this isn't funny anymore.. RMS is god |
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| 05:46.52 | nvz | well no wait.. thats chuck norris, but RMS is his only begotton son |
| 05:47.14 | yagoo | you read too much harry potter and bilbo baggins stuff |
| 05:47.18 | yagoo | mwahaha |
| 05:47.25 | nvz | thats so not funny |
| 05:47.42 | nvz | I'm calling chuck norris |
| 05:48.03 | lastnode | does #debian recommend gnash or swdec |
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| 05:48.12 | yagoo | i don't believe either |
| 05:48.32 | nvz | khaleel5000: well its plugged in, 1 of 3, is it also turned on, and you have some clue as to what you're doing? |
| 05:49.01 | mrdeb | do tyou think chuck norris knows you |
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| 05:49.12 | nvz | khaleel5000: I'd tinker with xrandr if it were me.. but since I have nvidia settings on here.. I will take a peek |
| 05:49.59 | rgr_ | . |
| 05:50.02 | nvz | mrdeb: thats a stupid question, he gave permission for me to be born.. or else I wouldnt be here |
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| 05:50.21 | khaleel5000 | nvz: update: problem resolved |
| 05:50.26 | mrdeb | ok |
| 05:50.37 | khaleel5000 | tinkered with nvidia settings, thanks. |
| 05:50.47 | mrdeb | i hear his fans call themselves chuckaholics |
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| 05:51.13 | nvz | chuck norris doesn't have fans, just people who know better |
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| 05:51.31 | nvz | we should take this to #debian-offtopic btw |
| 05:52.09 | yagoo | mrdeb, i think he wishes chuck norris was a midget just like him.. so he can play linux on the same level |
| 05:52.11 | nvz | or else you will be the next person to have "got roundhoused by chuck norris" as a quit message.. heh |
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| 05:53.01 | nvz | its rather quiet in here and the issues have been getting delt with, but still.. #debian-offtopic is where chuck would talk about himself |
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| 05:53.27 | mrdeb | he did roundhouse bruce lee |
| 05:54.34 | nvz | yeah.. he also showed up at my cousins house holding a total gym after he pirated a copy of p90x, telling him he made a mistake |
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| 05:56.16 | nvz | I was camping once and seen him rubbing two pieces of fire to make wood |
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| 05:57.23 | LuisCarlos | I've got no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Where do I edit monitor resolutions? (squeeze) |
| 05:57.47 | mrdeb | lxrandr |
| 05:57.50 | mrdeb | install that |
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| 05:58.10 | mrdeb | or nvidia-xconfig |
| 05:58.12 | nvz | LuisCarlos: unless you went back to the 80s to get a monitor, it should already know your resolution |
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| 05:58.41 | rgr | ah, all right as rain. lvm goodness. |
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| 05:59.04 | mrdeb | anyone know how to fix the hissing speaker issu |
| 05:59.13 | rgr | is your mic on? |
| 05:59.23 | mrdeb | its built in |
| 05:59.39 | mrdeb | when headphoens are plugged in, it hisses from the speakers |
| 05:59.39 | LuisCarlos | nvz: I'm running squeeze in a Virtual Machine (host OS: Mac OS) and I can not the the proper resolution |
| 05:59.41 | nvz | mrdeb: could also be a grounding problem, is it a laptop or otherwise internal speakers? |
| 05:59.45 | mrdeb | no |
| 05:59.53 | yagoo | mrdeb, sometimes sound modules have advanced options |
| 05:59.55 | rgr | Ive seen people fix it by altering the mic level. but alsa is a black art at the best of times. |
| 05:59.56 | mrdeb | its an issue specific to the kernel |
| 06:00.03 | mrdeb | it doesnt happen on other distor |
| 06:00.08 | yagoo | mrdeb, ^(prev messg) |
| 06:00.17 | nvz | mrdeb: doesnt mean its kernel specific |
| 06:00.17 | mrdeb | raising level? |
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| 06:00.45 | yagoo | ? |
| 06:00.49 | nvz | mrdeb: just means its probably not hardware |
| 06:00.56 | mrdeb | then what is it |
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| 06:01.19 | yagoo | mrdeb, i'll say it again.. look at your sound module advanced options |
| 06:01.21 | rgr | mrdeb: you played with alsa mixer and checked their are no extra mix channles configured that pump in anything from the mic into the speaker output? |
| 06:01.27 | nvz | LuisCarlos: are the virtual machine host and guest drivers properly installed? |
| 06:01.31 | mrdeb | where do i look at those |
| 06:01.51 | nvz | mrdeb: modinfo modulename |
| 06:02.05 | mrdeb | this is too complicated |
| 06:02.17 | mrdeb | >_< |
| 06:02.22 | rgr | which begs the Q how does he know the module name |
| 06:02.29 | yagoo | mrdeb, lsmod |xclip .. then paste that with middle mouse button to pastebin.ca |
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| 06:03.31 | LuisCarlos | nvz: I Insalled the Guest Additions (VirtualBox) and I've got even higher resolutions, but I can not get the exact resolution. My monitor is set to 1440x900. |
| 06:04.20 | nvz | LuisCarlos: are you trying to run it fullscreen then I assume |
| 06:04.45 | mrdeb | that dosnt do anything |
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| 06:05.56 | LuisCarlos | nvz: yes. I even got 1280x960, and 1440x1050 (in Debian config) but I've got no option to set it to 1440x900. That's why I thought in adding a resolution by editing a config file. |
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| 06:06.26 | mrdeb | hahah |
| 06:06.37 | nvz | LuisCarlos: did it occur to you to read the X log which probably says why 1440x900 isnt working? |
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| 06:07.09 | mrdeb | what about that other thing what wil replac xorg |
| 06:09.06 | nvz | chuck norris replace xorg with the exec rom from a mattel intellivision and put a nintento NES cartridge in the floppy drive and it now runs the xbox 360 dashboard and plays wii games on the playstation 3 network |
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| 06:10.03 | skamikaze | really sounds like wayland nvz :) |
| 06:10.19 | nvz | skamikaze: wayland? |
| 06:10.30 | skamikaze | http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ |
| 06:10.43 | LuisCarlos | nvz: nothing in the log file. |
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| 06:10.57 | skamikaze | (to answer mrdeb's question) |
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| 06:11.18 | nvz | hmm |
| 06:11.49 | nvz | LuisCarlos: when you say nothing in the log file I immediately reduce your issue to a pebcak |
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| 06:13.40 | rgr | so, for future reference, assuming all services/packages were installed in the same order and have the same uids/gids, can one copy a passwd and groups file from one debian install to another? |
| 06:13.43 | LuisCarlos | I've read the log file and It only mentions the resolutions it could test, it says nothing about any resolution tested that failed. |
| 06:14.00 | nvz | LuisCarlos: have you tried pressing host+g ? |
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| 06:15.08 | nvz | LuisCarlos: some googling on virtualbox fullscreen shows many people with that issue, not getting guests to do widescreen |
| 06:15.47 | nvz | LuisCarlos: says to press host+g, while your guest is debian, this isnt a debian issue if xlog is not complaining.. its a virtualbox issue |
| 06:15.54 | somiaj | rgr: the base system should be fairly standard. If you copy the /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow over at that time, when you install any service it will not create a user that is already there and just use it. |
| 06:16.04 | LuisCarlos | I can get full screen pressing command+F. However, it does not fill up the screen. I already googled it and that's how I could handle to have resolutions higher thatn 800x600. |
| 06:16.26 | nvz | LuisCarlos: I didn't say host+f, I said host+g |
| 06:16.40 | nvz | which apparently enables widescreen |
| 06:16.56 | nvz | which allows the guest to see widescreen resolutions |
| 06:16.59 | LuisCarlos | I even got higher resolutions than 1440x900, however not that one. Host+g does not do anything. |
| 06:17.12 | somiaj | rgr: but yes the file system preimisions and some others are hardcoded to the gid/uid so keeping those the same across the installs is important. |
| 06:17.12 | nvz | higher but not in the correct ratio |
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| 06:17.27 | rgr | well, thats the end of an eventful hour. Really thought Id lost my system there when I deleted passwd file accidentally. Thank god for sysrescue cd, google and debians automatic (and little documented) /var/backups. |
| 06:17.33 | LuisCarlos | Just to mention it, I can have that exactly 1440x900 in a XP virtual machine. |
| 06:17.44 | nvz | LuisCarlos: this is not an issue of resolution its an issue of aspect ratio |
| 06:17.54 | rgr | lol |
| 06:18.27 | nvz | LuisCarlos: you would serve yourself best to ask in a virtualbox support channel and anything debian related they bitch about, ask here |
| 06:18.28 | LuisCarlos | nvz: Yes it is. My bad (and my English) if I refer my problem as a resolution problem. |
| 06:19.13 | LuisCarlos | I'm very newbie to debian. For example, if I try to install vim (apt-get install vim) it does not find it. I need to find out how to add sources from command line. Time to read some wikis |
| 06:19.14 | rgr | out of curiosity how come aspect ratio and resolution are not related? |
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| 06:19.48 | LuisCarlos | Maybe to finish the discussion about resolutions and aspect ratios, is there any file to play with? |
| 06:19.56 | nvz | LuisCarlos: man 5 sources.list |
| 06:20.04 | rgr | vim is not in the base? Wow. |
| 06:20.33 | rgr | or just "man sources.list" |
| 06:21.03 | nvz | LuisCarlos: seriously just ask again in #vbox for the resolution problem.. you will likely get to the bottom of it faster |
| 06:21.13 | rgr | but if you are a newbie consider using synaptic. The man pages can be quite daunting. |
| 06:21.34 | nvz | I only dabble with vbox and I only use it to run windows on a debian host very seldomly |
| 06:22.09 | nvz | I have no experience at all running debian on macos with it.. the vbox people will know a whole lot more than mos people in here about that issue |
| 06:22.12 | LuisCarlos | I'm new to Debian. I used RedHat, Mandriva and Ubuntu. I'm moving to Debian because I need to install some serious stuff and I want to learn a stable distro. |
| 06:22.35 | LuisCarlos | I need to read some man pages :-) |
| 06:22.59 | nvz | LuisCarlos: sounds good, but if you are also new to the support community you will need to get used to us sending you elsewhere to seek info sometimes.. especially when you are not running it as the host os |
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| 06:23.48 | nvz | LuisCarlos: we're more than happy to help with debian issues, but vbox often complicates issues in debian and the vbox people often know a whole lot more about those issues than us native users |
| 06:24.48 | nvz | that resolution problem is a simple one most anyone in here can solve on a native debian system, on vbox though only a select few people will know what to do |
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| 06:26.34 | nvz | when the hardware is software and the software is running on other software, you're way on the edge of the scope of this channel.. heh |
| 06:27.00 | LuisCarlos | nvz: thanks for your help indeed. I'm running it in virtual machine to play with it before doing anything in my server. |
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| 06:27.28 | LuisCarlos | Thanks again! |
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| 06:27.49 | nvz | LuisCarlos: sounds good.. if it were me I'd just overlook the resolution issue for now and get to what you wanna learn about debian.. cause your rationale on trying debian sounds like sound judgement |
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| 06:29.40 | nvz | I normally use seamless mode myself.. when I do use virual box.. seems to overcome those sorts of issues |
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| 06:31.18 | nvz | I wonder how hard it would be or if its possible to debootstrap and run debian and X inside a chroot on OSX.. |
| 06:31.30 | nvz | I mean OSX is practically bsd.. |
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| 06:32.18 | nvz | then again I dont think there is a port for that |
| 06:33.08 | nvz | oh well.. OSX is foreign to me.. I dabbled with it once or twice.. its close enough to linux for me to grasp most things |
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| 07:32.13 | home-alone | Hi..what is the best VM for debian...??? |
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| 07:34.30 | gnarface | home-alone: probably depends on what you want to do exactly |
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| 07:35.32 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 07:37.30 | ragnar76 | i have here an apache2 webserver along with mysql for web development. mysql is running in 1 process and 10 threads ( thats what htop says ) and eats up 20% system load. how can i limit this? |
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| 07:38.12 | home-alone | I want to install windows 98 in VM |
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| 07:39.19 | gnarface | home-alone: i think then you should check out xen |
| 07:39.24 | jmarsden | home-alone: virtualbox is easy to set up, and will work for simple test use like that. |
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| 07:39.58 | home-alone | virtual box is not in debian repos i think... |
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| 07:40.12 | gnarface | home-alone: xen is |
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| 07:40.50 | gnarface | is virtual box even open source? |
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| 07:41.36 | jmarsden | gnarface: Yes, other than the extra addon stuff for USB and some other "commercial features", which you don't need to install if you don't want to. |
| 07:41.50 | khertan | home-alone: vbox is in debian repos |
| 07:42.02 | khertan | home-alone: at least the ose edition |
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| 07:42.34 | home-alone | Ok i will go for VB thank you |
| 07:42.35 | khertan | Source: virtualbox-ose (4.0.4-dfsg-1) in testing |
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| 07:44.06 | gnarface | does virtualbox have that hardware accel stuff that kvm and xen have? |
| 07:44.59 | jmarsden | gnarface: It can use VT-x etc on appropriately equipped CPUs, yes. |
| 07:45.29 | Kaede | It's got something separate for both Intel and AMD CPUs iirc |
| 07:45.42 | jmarsden | Although for a single Windows 98 VM, squeezing every last drop of performance out may not be a priority :) |
| 07:45.53 | Kaede | There's a limitation though, 32-bit guests don't run with 64-bit hosts with SMP, due to something in the VM extensions |
| 07:46.10 | Kaede | Well they run but they actually get slower |
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| 07:46.15 | gnarface | well the only thing i'd be using it for is to play video games, so performance is for me, a priority :-p |
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| 07:47.52 | Kaede | Windows 9x won't work well with video games, as the OS is too old to support accelerated guest additions |
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| 07:48.15 | Kaede | They'd have to be strictly 2D Solitaire-style stuff. |
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| 07:48.48 | gnarface | Kaede: really? so the 3d accelerated win98 games i still have would actually be faster in wine? that's what you're saying? |
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| 07:49.01 | Kaede | No, I mean you won't be getting any 3D acceleration |
| 07:49.07 | Kaede | You need Windows XP or higher for that |
| 07:49.16 | gnarface | is that just a virtualbox limitation? |
| 07:49.24 | home-alone | I am just installing it in VM for netologia |
| 07:49.24 | Kaede | Yes, the driver is not provided for older OSes |
| 07:49.46 | spm_Draget | On debian, which NFS version does the client side try by default when mounting? NFSv4 or NFSv3? |
| 07:49.47 | gnarface | Kaede: any idea if kvm or xen do any better in that regard? |
| 07:50.10 | Kaede | VirtualBox is the only real free emulator that supports Direct3D, and even then its experiemntal |
| 07:50.24 | Kaede | Beyond that you need VMware orsomething, which is not free |
| 07:50.31 | gnarface | aah |
| 07:50.34 | gnarface | parallels? |
| 07:50.38 | gnarface | also not free, i know |
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| 07:50.54 | Kaede | No idea. |
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| 07:51.26 | sephii | gnarface: What about wine ? Did you try it ? |
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| 07:51.49 | gnarface | did i try it |
| 07:51.51 | gnarface | hah |
| 07:52.03 | gnarface | running it now on one desktop while compiling a new version in the other |
| 07:52.23 | Kaede | Wine usualy requires specific versions for games. Trying to use one version for all doesn't really work well because regressions are introduced that break older software (and don't get fixed.) |
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| 07:52.52 | gnarface | yea i noticed. lots of regressions. since cedega went out of business, taking the closest thing to actual commercial quality DirectX support in linux we've had with them, |
| 07:53.01 | gnarface | i've been compiling a version of wine just about once a week sometimes more |
| 07:53.16 | gnarface | at one point in time there's been a version of wine that runs with just about everything |
| 07:53.32 | gnarface | the problem is if you're serious about keeping all these games running, you have to have like 20 versions of wine laying around |
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| 07:54.09 | Kaede | Yep. |
| 07:54.12 | gnarface | it tends to do (predictably) well with whatever is the latest most popular thing actually |
| 07:54.18 | gnarface | but older games do tend to get lost in the shuffle |
| 07:54.39 | khertan | this is why some create playonlinux |
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| 07:54.55 | gnarface | what is that? |
| 07:55.04 | gnarface | based on crossover or something? |
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| 07:55.43 | khertan | gnarface: it s a gui on top of multi wine version to run the right version of wine with the right game |
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| 07:55.54 | gnarface | aah |
| 07:55.58 | khertan | http://www.playonlinux.com/en |
| 07:55.59 | gnarface | yea cedega had a front-end like that |
| 07:56.07 | gnarface | might be worth doing |
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| 07:56.32 | khertan | but playonlinux is free |
| 07:56.45 | jelly-home | crossover is having a sale again |
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| 08:13.04 | thewanderer1 | guys, I get some weird info leaks in X.org with NVIDIA - the default wallpaper, used before GNOME initializes its own (needs to load user preferences for this), is a mash-up of recent textures, displayed windows etc. - so when I login, I see what other users were doing on the PC (this is without reboots). why would that be? |
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| 08:15.18 | thewanderer1 | it's like, I can often see parts of others' chat windows from the graphics card's buffer or whatever that is, after they have closed them... also, sprites from games, etc. |
| 08:15.21 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: the driver doesn't scrub the card's memory at start |
| 08:15.35 | thewanderer1 | well, I don't know if it starts at all |
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| 08:15.44 | thewanderer1 | I lust log out, log in on another user |
| 08:16.29 | thewanderer1 | however, I did try rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia; without success - the "rubbish" stays there |
| 08:16.31 | jelly-home | I mean Xorg driver. The one that's used when you start Xorg |
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| 08:17.21 | jelly-home | are you worried about security issues or just wondering why is the framebuffer full of junk for a second when X is started |
| 08:18.27 | jelly-home | grpahical log out and log in makes X restart (you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
| 08:18.31 | thewanderer1 | it's not of grave severity, but sometimes I don't like to expose my previous conversations to people hanging around |
| 08:18.42 | thewanderer1 | hm, ok... so X restart doesn't work here, apparently |
| 08:18.47 | jelly-home | it does. |
| 08:18.58 | thewanderer1 | as in: it fails to clean the memory |
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| 08:19.14 | jelly-home | that's a feature of the nvidia driver |
| 08:19.29 | thewanderer1 | failing to clean the memory? |
| 08:19.31 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 08:19.58 | jelly-home | I mean, it's visible for a second or so... who cares |
| 08:20.14 | thewanderer1 | feature by this comparison, I suppose: http://files.myopera.com/freejerk/files/bug-feature.jpg |
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| 08:21.14 | thewanderer1 | alright, any way to turn off this "feature"? |
| 08:21.50 | jelly-home | dunno, maybe there's something in the docs |
| 08:22.27 | jelly-home | I find it quaint and reminiscent of older era computers |
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| 08:22.47 | thewanderer1 | I'd gladly use nouveau if GLX worked with it |
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| 08:27.27 | thewanderer1 | oh well, when it's supposed to display the big ugly NVIDIA logo, it shows me the said buffer dump |
| 08:27.42 | thewanderer1 | a bug, I suppose... |
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| 09:03.53 | claw | hey there i am running a debian server and need to use a proxy.... so i've done that with export http_proxy but after reboot the var is empty again how to do that constantly ? |
| 09:04.47 | jfcaron | When I sudo apt-get update, I get an error E: Unable to change to /home/jfcaron - chdir (13: Permission denied). Any idea which permissions, groups, and ownership is required for apt-get update to work properly? |
| 09:05.11 | Iridos | users $HOME/.bashrc or globally in /etc/bash.bashrc or somesuch |
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| 09:06.19 | Iridos | "cd /" ? |
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| 09:07.09 | masterk3n | what's a good book that teachs abotu networks? |
| 09:07.39 | petemc | there are oreilly linux networking books |
| 09:07.49 | Iridos | jfcaron, none...you must have $HOME via sshfs or the like |
| 09:08.21 | jfcaron | Ok, let me check. |
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| 09:10.12 | Iridos | actually, nfs mapping root to nobody would also do it |
| 09:10.22 | Iridos | jfcaron, just cd out of it... cd /tmp or cd / |
| 09:10.32 | jfcaron | I'm not sure I understand. |
| 09:10.57 | Iridos | "cd / ; sudo apt-get update"? |
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| 09:11.06 | jfcaron | You mean just leave the home directory before updating? Oh man, it's working. |
| 09:11.17 | Iridos | apt-get doesn't NEED the current directory for anything |
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| 09:11.19 | jfcaron | Why would the pwd matter when doing update? |
| 09:11.24 | Iridos | it's just complaining that it doesn't exist |
| 09:11.38 | jfcaron | Weird. |
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| 09:12.11 | jfcaron | Thanks, this resolved the (non-)issue. =) |
| 09:12.12 | Iridos | dunno... you can get the source and check |
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| 09:12.54 | jfcaron | When I ssh to the machine, the motd tells me that there are some packages that need updating, but when I do apt-get upgrade, it does not upgrade anything. |
| 09:12.57 | zsolt_ | hi there |
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| 09:13.30 | jfcaron | So it's either the motd being wrong, or some apt preferences not set properly. |
| 09:13.40 | Iridos | "aptitude full-upgrade"? |
| 09:13.43 | zsolt_ | how is it possible to convert xml or ods files to formatted text? |
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| 09:13.57 | zsolt_ | google wont help |
| 09:14.02 | Iridos | read manpage first, though... "upgrade" alone is the equivalent of safe-upgrade |
| 09:14.23 | Iridos | !tell jfcaron -about why aptitude |
| 09:14.33 | Iridos | hm... that said, I prefer apt-get myself |
| 09:14.53 | jfcaron | Aye. |
| 09:15.33 | Iridos | zsolt_, expat? |
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| 09:16.32 | themill | zsolt_: generic xml→txt conversion will require you to write an xslt. ods→txt might be doable with unoconv. (unoconv tends to be a bit flakey) |
| 09:17.24 | jfcaron | Iridos: Well, I could sudo aptitude safe-upgrade, which is working now on a new kernel package, while apt-get upgrade did nothing. Do aptitude and apt-get keep concurrent logs of packages, or will apt-get not realize that aptitude did stuff? |
| 09:17.42 | zsolt_ | i would like to convert any kind of openoffice calc document to text |
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| 09:18.03 | zsolt_ | but to remain the cell formatting |
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| 09:18.25 | jfcaron | So a pretty printer for oocalc documents? |
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| 09:19.05 | Iridos | jfcaron, hm both/neither... dpkg itself has the list of installed packages apt is just there to resolve dependency issues and download and lets dpkg install the packages |
| 09:19.06 | themill | zsolt_: "cell formatting" in plain text? |
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| 09:19.36 | zsolt_ | not really.for example there are three cells |
| 09:20.01 | jfcaron | Iridos: Alright, so using apt-get and aptitude at the same time isn't as horrific an idea as it might seem? |
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| 09:20.37 | zsolt_ | surname forname e-mail |
| 09:20.53 | zsolt_ | john bull t@t.t |
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| 09:21.08 | zsolt_ | max text text@b.c |
| 09:21.30 | Iridos | jfcaron, no... it's mostly ok. Only caused problems when aptitude already had the autoremove feature and apt-get didnt (/msg dpkg autoremove if you are curious what that is) |
| 09:21.32 | zsolt_ | just to remain the line wrap |
| 09:21.33 | themill | zsolt_: try out unoconv |
| 09:21.40 | zsolt_ | thank you |
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| 09:22.53 | jfcaron | Ok, thanks Iridos. |
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| 09:25.37 | Iridos | themill, duh, you'd think OO can do export to a tab-delimited list, but it cannot... can do html, though |
| 09:26.17 | themill | Iridos: it can do tab delimited with no problems |
| 09:26.40 | Iridos | ? Just checked and didn't see any |
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| 09:27.26 | Iridos | can do CSV, which is comma-delimited iirc |
| 09:27.36 | themill | Iridos: File→Save As→Filter: Text CSV→Field delimiter: {tab}. |
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| 09:28.21 | Iridos | oh, all right... you can change the delimiter |
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| 09:31.53 | jpalecek | hello, if I want a package to appear in squeeze-backports, whom should I ask? |
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| 09:34.25 | sep | jpalecek, the maintainer. also read http://backports.debian.org/Contribute/ |
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| 09:40.10 | jpalecek | sep: thanks |
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| 09:51.27 | romgo | Hi guys |
| 09:52.32 | romgo | Does anyone achieved to use pam_filter under squeeze for ldap auth ? |
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| 10:00.12 | never147 | hi, I'm trying to search for packages provided by security.debian.org by using: aptitude search '~Asecurity' |
| 10:00.19 | never147 | but this doesn't return anything |
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| 10:01.01 | never147 | my apt sources.list file has: |
| 10:01.02 | never147 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:01.09 | never147 | should that work? |
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| 10:06.32 | themill | never147: check the output of "apt-cache policy"; you'll see the values that you can search for (you'll also see that for lenny, there's no way of searching like that). You could look at the Packages file directly if you wanted. |
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| 10:12.33 | never147 | themill: thanks. So should I also be able to search by ~O origin? |
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| 10:13.10 | Iridos | never147, apt-show-versions |
| 10:14.07 | Iridos | oh, thought you meant packages actually installed on the system |
| 10:14.08 | Iridos | or do you |
| 10:14.35 | never147 | Iridos: I'm trying to get just security packages that are waiting for an upgrade |
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| 10:15.01 | never147 | Iridos: e.g.: aptitude install '?and(~U,~Asecurity) |
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| 10:15.07 | themill | never147: "aptitude search ~U" |
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| 10:15.20 | never147 | Iridos: except ~Asecurity returns nothing. |
| 10:15.50 | never147 | themill: I have local repos that push packages which I don't want to update |
| 10:15.51 | themill | never147: what's wrong with "aptitude safe-upgrade"? |
| 10:16.00 | never147 | themill: ^^ |
| 10:16.23 | Iridos | put those on hold? |
| 10:16.24 | themill | never147: ahh... sounds like it would be better to configure those local repos better. Perhaps pin them so they don't get automatically upgraded. |
| 10:17.03 | themill | never147: not all security updates go via security.d.o, some will be in point releases. You probably want to be accepting upgrades from the point releases too. |
| 10:18.34 | never147 | themill: ok. I don't really want to modify the availability of the other packages if I can help it. They do get updated in different cycles but want to just cherry pick packages are "safe" to update |
| 10:20.27 | themill | never147: you could pin your local repo so that you need to manually upgrade those packages each and every time, or you could use your repo origin to distinguish between debian and non-debian origins (note: not security vs non-security) |
| 10:20.32 | never147 | aptitude search '?and(~Odebian,~U)' |
| 10:20.40 | never147 | maybe I'll got for that |
| 10:21.08 | never147 | themill: heh I think that's pretty much what you said ;-) |
| 10:21.30 | themill | never147: careful testing is in order there. And make sure no-one ever accidentally just types "apt-get upgrade" or similar... |
| 10:21.39 | themill | would prefer a non-fragile solution using pinning |
| 10:22.22 | never147 | so should ~Asecurity work in squeeze? |
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| 10:23.50 | themill | hmm.... no. You can differentiate between squeeze and squeeze-updates (aka volatile) but not between squeeze and squeeze/updates (aka security.d.o). No-one ever thought you'd want to do so, I guess. |
| 10:24.10 | never147 | http://syslog.tv/2010/12/13/debianubuntu-upgrade-security-packages-only/ |
| 10:24.15 | never147 | I'm following that. |
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| 10:25.16 | themill | don't believe everything you read out there :) it depends on the specific configuration of the repository |
| 10:26.20 | Iridos | actually... can I file a bug against aptitude because the manpage doesn't contain those search expressions? |
| 10:26.44 | Iridos | you shouldn't orf to dig those out of share/doc |
| 10:27.28 | themill | Iridos: man pages that are 4000 screenfuls long are also not useful |
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| 10:27.52 | Iridos | more useful than not having the info where you expect it |
| 10:28.00 | Iridos | there's "/", ya know |
| 10:28.14 | themill | hands Iridos "man bash" |
| 10:28.24 | Iridos | $ man bash |wc -l |
| 10:28.25 | Iridos | 3802 |
| 10:28.40 | Iridos | themill, and I've been finding stuff in there... which proves the point |
| 10:28.55 | Iridos | even if you say you don't like that... |
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| 10:29.03 | Iridos | hands themill "man perl" |
| 10:29.38 | themill | Iridos: perhaps you should look at it... it's quite short because it's split into 172 different man pages |
| 10:29.46 | daemonkeeper | heh, man perl is about 300 lines long ;) |
| 10:29.49 | Iridos | I know :) |
| 10:29.54 | never147 | themill: "the specific configuration of the repository"? So if I configure sources.list in a certain way the search will match? |
| 10:29.59 | Iridos | and it's not 172... more like 30 or so :) |
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| 10:30.06 | never147 | themill: or do you mean upstream? |
| 10:30.12 | themill | never147: the configuration is server-side |
| 10:30.13 | Iridos | themill, and which do you prefer... man bash or man perl? |
| 10:30.17 | joanian | hello i have been using a source that used to name version starting with a character. IS there any config to bypass policy of versionnumbers not starting with digit? |
| 10:30.26 | never147 | themill: ok |
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| 10:30.58 | daemonkeeper | joanian: Epochs, time based versioning? |
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| 10:32.49 | Iridos | themill, anyway... man bash and man perl... both work for me... less /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README doesn't really in any comparable way |
| 10:32.50 | joanian | daemonkeeper: Epoch? what you mean? It's not. Just it starts with two characters followed by version number. |
| 10:33.28 | joanian | daemonkeeper: most probably I should contact with maintainer about new debian version string policy |
| 10:33.45 | daemonkeeper | joanian: Debian versioning allows to manually specify an epoch overruling everything after, e.g. 2:codename always orders higher than 1:anothercodename |
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| 10:35.17 | joanian | daemonkeeper: ok. So the source is not using in that way the version string. i.e. starts with bl-version |
| 10:35.26 | Sose | I wonder why exim4 is running on my system, isn't it an email server or something? I'm pretty sure I didn't select it during installation |
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| 10:35.37 | themill | dpkg: tell Sose about why an mta |
| 10:35.57 | Sose | thank you |
| 10:36.01 | daemonkeeper | joanian: Which is fair enough, since bl-1 is still lower than bl-2 (or whatever) |
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| 10:37.07 | daemonkeeper | joanian: By the way, you can test with dpkg --compare-versions |
| 10:37.26 | Iridos | heh, that's useful |
| 10:37.37 | themill | !compare versions |
| 10:37.37 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version, or <version epoch> <debian revision> |
| 10:37.56 | joanian | daemonkeeper: I explain, I updated from ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 and says this about this source now and the error shows that a new debian policy, so i asked here |
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| 10:38.35 | daemonkeeper | themill: Out of curiosity, is there a factoid keyword, you don't know? ;) |
| 10:39.01 | themill | joanian: of course ubuntu support is in #ubuntu... and support for out-of-repository packages is from the person that maintains that repo. |
| 10:39.24 | joanian | daemonkeeper: thanks anyway. I will test with dpkg option too. I'll downgrade distro. |
| 10:39.28 | themill | daemonkeeper: dpkg has 39k factoids. I don't know *all* of them. yet. |
| 10:39.36 | daemonkeeper | Yet. :) |
| 10:39.44 | joanian | themill: I know but i got no response :( |
| 10:39.51 | Iridos | !tell daemonkeeper -about factinfo compare versions |
| 10:40.01 | Iridos | hm, did that work |
| 10:40.01 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: joanian? |
| 10:40.04 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 10:40.20 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, no that was for you |
| 10:40.50 | Iridos | I don't think it did the way I meant it to... shouldn't have used -about then I'd know |
| 10:40.55 | joanian | themill: Yes I'll contact the mantainer. Just asking to a fast way to work for now. :) thank you two again. :) |
| 10:41.21 | Iridos | ah... did work |
| 10:41.22 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: Well you could use the web interface as welll? |
| 10:41.24 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, note creator |
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| 10:41.47 | daemonkeeper | Yes, I'm aware themill created one half of the factoids and improved the other ;) |
| 10:41.48 | joanian | Iridos daemonkeeper i know about this option already. |
| 10:41.48 | joanian | bye |
| 10:42.07 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: http://ircbots.debian.net/stats.php?q=recently-active-editors |
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| 10:42.45 | Iridos | *sigh* ... this is going nowhere... daemonkeeper, all I wanted to say was "he would know about factoids he himself created, now wouldn't he" |
| 10:43.04 | daemonkeeper | Fair enough (and OT) |
| 10:43.05 | daemonkeeper | :) |
| 10:43.40 | Iridos | I thought if I show you the factinfo extract, you'd notice |
| 10:43.59 | daemonkeeper | I did, but I couldn't know the creator before I asked ;) |
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| 11:20.53 | Iridos | iul... |
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| 11:21.05 | Iridos | hits [Tab] some more |
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| 11:23.31 | Iridos | spaces |
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| 11:23.50 | linuxer0203 | hey ~ |
| 11:23.57 | linuxer0203 | here anyone ? |
| 11:24.06 | Iridos | no, you're all alone |
| 11:24.07 | webad_13 | Iridos, no spaces - did rename 's/ //g' *.mp3 |
| 11:24.16 | C-boys | I have 2 identical sata 1TB disks in my desktop compyter. 1 is filled with data and one isn't and has never been formatted. I like to clone the contents of disk 1 to disk 2 |
| 11:24.19 | C-boys | any idea how I can do this? |
| 11:24.19 | C-boys | The disk is full disk encrypted |
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| 11:25.14 | linuxer0203 | cp ? |
| 11:25.29 | linuxer0203 | are your using chrome or firefox ? |
| 11:25.42 | Sevet | has anyone seen this crash before in nf_conntrack_sip: http://pastebin.com/bBhMZYR6, running debian lenny 2.6.26-2-amd64 with iptables v1.4.2 |
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| 11:26.31 | Iridos | webad_13, then ' in the name of a song etc. etc. etc. this is more for #bash, it's one of the FAQs, actually.. probably... "use more quotes"? Ah no, that's in the topic :) |
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| 11:27.14 | linuxer0203 | are your using pidgin ? |
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| 11:27.22 | linuxer0203 | pidgin ~ |
| 11:27.33 | webad_13 | Iridos, the thing is it starts to play but it is not looked at as playlist (I cannot move trough it), that is the actuall problem, not playing the songs |
| 11:28.04 | linuxer0203 | hey ~ |
| 11:28.17 | linuxer0203 | can you hear me ? |
| 11:29.01 | xyzp | http://hd.se/multimedia/dynamic/00347/99567_1395404_jpg_347523d.jpg |
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| 11:30.56 | Iridos | webad_13, hmm... but it goes from one song to the next? |
| 11:31.15 | frostschutz | webad_13: don't you need | xargs mplayer ... ? |
| 11:31.37 | Iridos | webad_13, huh, just trying that... indeed starts playing a song... I would have bet that that just gives an error with my filenames |
| 11:31.42 | frostschutz | never tried to read a playlist from stdin before :) |
| 11:31.43 | Iridos | "see me amazed" :) |
| 11:31.48 | webad_13 | Iridos, yes it does but funny thing is that mplayer does not accept any commands |
| 11:32.02 | Iridos | oh... |
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| 11:32.13 | Iridos | webad_13, well, how do you try to skip backwards and forwards? |
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| 11:32.41 | webad_13 | Iridos, <> |
| 11:32.56 | Iridos | webad_13, and if it's the keyboard... where exactly do you think mplayers stdin comes from? |
| 11:33.36 | Iridos | (hint: not from the keyboard) |
| 11:34.10 | webad_13 | Iridos, yeah I just realized that since I redirect the stdin of mplayer it cannot get my commands right? |
| 11:34.35 | Iridos | hands webad_13 a small rubber hippo as a prize |
| 11:35.01 | streuner_ | dpkg, +tell webad_13 +about multiple ask |
| 11:35.02 | dpkg | No, #debian, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 11:35.14 | streuner_ | dpkg, tell webad_13 about multiple ask |
| 11:35.33 | Iridos | oh, and of course it would work with spaces... but it'd fail on filenames with \n in it |
| 11:36.09 | Iridos | also "'" in filenames isn't a problem because the shell doesn't parse it... |
| 11:36.25 | Iridos | didn't think right when I first saw that |
| 11:36.36 | Iridos | s/right/straight/ |
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| 11:37.38 | kichawa | http://wklej.org/id/530298/ |
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| 11:38.58 | streuner_ | Why do you think you need to channels (#bash _and_ #debian) to answer your question? |
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| 11:39.21 | streuner_ | s/to/two/ |
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| 11:40.30 | Iridos | possibly because I first said that's more appropriate then answered anyway :) |
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| 11:41.00 | webad_13 | streuner_: if it was directed to me it is because the answer that I am getting might not be exactly what I would like to achieve |
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| 11:42.18 | C-boys | I have 2 identical sata 1TB disks in my desktop compyter. 1 is filled with data and one isn't and has never been formatted. I like to clone the contents of disk 1 to disk 2 |
| 11:42.31 | C-boys | any idea how I can do this? I prefer a boot cd that can do this |
| 11:42.34 | C-boys | The disk is full disk encrypted |
| 11:43.36 | petemc | C-boys: there are partimage cds like clonezilla, no idea how they'll get on with encryption tho |
| 11:44.19 | Mmike | How can I make one user run a script as some other user (not root?). Actually I need userB to be able to delete files that userA rsynced into his directory. Can't user setuid on scripts, and if I set userB dir setgid than only toplevel files/dirs created by userA are group-owned by userA, but any dirs/files created deeper into the tree are owned by user B, not the rest |
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| 11:47.34 | Iridos | Mmike, yes, that summarizes it |
| 11:47.50 | Mmike | Iridos, :) |
| 11:47.56 | Iridos | except for the "Can't user setuid on scripts" bit, that's not true as such |
| 11:48.04 | Mmike | Iridos, heh? |
| 11:48.05 | sep | Mmike, sudo is made to let userA run stuff as userB |
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| 11:48.23 | Mmike | hm |
| 11:48.24 | Iridos | oh, right... I never think of sudo because I never use it |
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| 11:48.30 | Mmike | Will look into that |
| 11:48.57 | Mmike | The only thing that came into mind was to wrap find/chmod after rsync so anyone can delete the files |
| 11:49.25 | Iridos | Mmike, you can set scripts suid... and even for systems where that'S prevented, perl has its own suidperl which is supposed to prevent the security risks associated with suid scripts |
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| 11:50.31 | Mmike | Iridos, so, I have bash script that just calls rsync with bunch-of-params... If that script is owned by userA, and has setuid bit set, when userB runs it all the files the script (rsync, that is) creates will be owned by userA? Tried that, and it was not the case. |
| 11:50.33 | Mmike | sec, phone |
| 11:50.42 | Iridos | (and works in some strange ways that are independent of wether the system itself honors the suid bit on the script or not) |
| 11:51.39 | superlinux | if someone wants to open a web hosting service using virtualization technologies like vmware and xen and vbox ..etc, there is something intriguing me: how can many guests on one host be separated or differentiated from each other? what's really going on on the Networking Layer (L3) of the OSI model? |
| 11:52.57 | digdilem_ | superlinux, IANAE ubt depends on how it's setup. vmware offers bridging, direct and nat. |
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| 11:53.34 | digdilem_ | the hosting software can fake ethernet adapters, so they just appear as a unique machine with a unique mac |
| 11:53.39 | superlinux | digdilem_, OH! mate! I forgot about bridging! |
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| 11:55.28 | superlinux | digdilem_, but more than that is: if you have so many domain names, what would let the host recon that this is guest X from guest Y, taken into consideration that I am using bridging? |
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| 11:57.04 | digdilem_ | because it's listening for packets for that mac, and then can assign them to the relevant virtual nic? |
| 11:57.15 | digdilem_ | note: most of this is guesswork on my half. |
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| 11:58.15 | ondrejk | hello, id like to stresstest my eshop, which stresstesting tool do you prefer for this? |
| 11:58.20 | ondrejk | err |
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| 11:58.49 | Iridos | Mmike, you're right, they're now disabled on scripts (and for good reason) ... as I said, you can still use e.g. perl... dunno if other languages provide a similar mechanism |
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| 12:00.16 | musictoto | hi! if i understand correctly, using debian 6, without the 'nonfree' repos, means you're using a completely free software distro? |
| 12:00.19 | Mmike | Iridos, thnx. I'll check sudo first, and then see about perl... it's actually just rsync that I'm interested with, the 'issue' is that rsync is called by apache (via php's exec() or something), and files endup as nobody.nogroup and then only root can delete them... |
| 12:00.27 | Iridos | Mmike, apt-cache show perl-suid |
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| 12:05.18 | Iormangund | heya, was wondering if anyone knew howto setup a prefered network list in nm-applet? |
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| 12:06.53 | cer_abg | hi there |
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| 12:09.55 | UukGoblin | hmm is there a simple way to find all files on a filesystem that do NOT belong to a package? |
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| 12:10.47 | pierre__ | hi |
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| 12:11.09 | LoneTech | UukGoblin: you may want to try the cruft package |
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| 12:12.19 | UukGoblin | LoneTech, thanks |
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| 12:13.24 | pierre__ | i've just installed squeeze and i can't figure out how to use a custom keyboard layout. I've done sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, selected the right layout, but when i start xorg (through startx, using awesome windows manager), i have the original keyboard layout... i have the right keyboard layout in my ttys thanks to console-setup. |
| 12:14.30 | cabrilo | pierre__, perhaps you must edit xorg.conf |
| 12:14.54 | pierre__ | well i don't have a xorg.conf with this new version of xorg |
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| 12:15.56 | LoneTech | I never got the hang of what they're doing to the configuration now. setxkbmap in my xsession tends to work, though. |
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| 12:16.31 | cabrilo | pierre__, aye, you can youse setxkbmap and run it whenever you start X, or you can create a new xorg.conf and define only the input device |
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| 12:21.05 | UukGoblin | LoneTech, that's perfect, thanks a lot :-) |
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| 12:26.51 | pierre__ | LoneTech & cabrilo : do you know which file is supported by setxkbcomp ? i've tried .kmap, .xkm, .xkb, none of them works... I used to set my layout through xkbcomp using a .xkb file |
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| 12:27.17 | LoneTech | sorry, I don't know |
| 12:27.33 | cabrilo | pierre__, I don't know, I only ever used setxkbmap alone |
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| 12:28.28 | pierre__ | cabrillo: how did you set up your layout please ? |
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| 12:29.12 | armetiz | Hi there, I have made a list of file using the find command |
| 12:29.36 | armetiz | In this list of file, I have "PATH_TO_FILE: comment" |
| 12:29.53 | armetiz | Now, I need to do a script on each file inside the list.. |
| 12:30.01 | armetiz | What is the best way ? Regexp ? |
| 12:30.14 | armetiz | PATh_TO_FILE is always the same lenght.. |
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| 12:30.17 | Riviera | armetiz: Show your find command. |
| 12:30.33 | armetiz | find -type f -exec file "{}" \; > file.txt |
| 12:30.54 | armetiz | I want to convert no UTF8 file to UTF8 |
| 12:31.07 | Riviera | Scary. |
| 12:31.18 | armetiz | files are inside a folder, but this folder contains UTF8 file and non UTF8 file, like ISO Latin, .. |
| 12:31.26 | armetiz | why ? |
| 12:31.40 | Riviera | armetiz: What about this: Put all the functionality you need to apply on a file into a script, |
| 12:31.52 | Riviera | armetiz: like the "file" command, the conversion command, etc. |
| 12:32.00 | Riviera | armetiz: And call this script then with find's -exec |
| 12:32.27 | armetiz | hum.. yes.. |
| 12:32.31 | armetiz | it could be a good idea |
| 12:32.48 | Riviera | armetiz: Alternatively, if you use bash: |
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| 12:33.57 | Riviera | armetiz: while IFS= read -r -d '' pathname; do file "$pathname" | grep -qF UTF-8 && continue; convert_the_file_to_utf_8 "$pathname"; done < <(find . -type f -print0) |
| 12:34.27 | Riviera | armetiz: If the files are as you say all in the same directory, without subdirectories, rather use a for-loop: for file in ./*; do ..; done |
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| 12:34.50 | armetiz | I have sudbirectory, one level subdirectory |
| 12:35.09 | Riviera | okay, then don't use the for loop :) |
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| 12:35.39 | armetiz | :p |
| 12:35.46 | armetiz | I'll try the batch right now |
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| 12:46.40 | armetiz | Hum.. I have file in "ISO-8859 text, with CRLF line terminators" and other with : "ISO-8859 English text, with CRLF line terminators" |
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| 12:47.12 | mastroDani | is there someone with a shell script to start / stop mongrel property on debian? |
| 12:47.13 | armetiz | IS-8859 English can be convert to UTF8 using ISO8859-1 as source, but I'm not able to covnert to UTF8 the ISO-8859 text .. |
| 12:47.37 | mastroDani | armetiz, iconv |
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| 12:48.05 | armetiz | mastroDani, I4m using iconv |
| 12:48.22 | armetiz | but, I don't know what source encoding to use.. |
| 12:48.35 | armetiz | ISO-5589-1 work only for ISO-8859 English text |
| 12:48.46 | armetiz | for ISO-8859 text it doesn't work :s |
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| 12:54.38 | pierre__ | when i try to run setxkbmap i my X error log ihave an "(EE) Error loading keymap /tmp/server-0.xkm" i can't find any similar problem over the internet.... anyone has a clue please ? |
| 12:55.10 | cace | hi guys, i am having some problem getting composite to work with my intel gfx card in squeeze, i understand that editing the xorg.conf is a thing of the past, how should i go about enabling it? |
| 12:55.28 | pierre__ | and setxkbmap output "Error loadind new keyboard description" putting -v 10 doesn't give more output |
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| 12:57.34 | themill | armetiz: "man iconv" will tell you to use "iconv --list" for the names of the encodings you can use. (Note, file(1) adds more information than just the encoding.) |
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| 12:58.35 | themill | armetiz: I've also seen plenty of cases where file(1) has got the encoding wrong... it will fail particularly spectacularly when you have (broken) files with mixed encodings. |
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| 13:01.01 | rgr | I have a very strange issue with the gui for lvm manager. Its telling me sda has a 900+gig unitialised partition sda2. Which is nuts since the entire install is on this drive. A known issue? At the same times its telling me sda5 is 900+ gig and is in use. |
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| 13:01.26 | rgr | (The drive is a sata 1T drive) |
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| 13:02.36 | CyL | Morning folks, I am trying to connect my Debian box on a network, but network manager shows wired networks (eth0) as being not manageble. My network card has fixed IP attached to it, but this network uses DHCP. I have tried fiddling around with /etc/network/interfaces without much success. Any advice? |
| 13:04.08 | cm_ | CyL: i think you need to comment thoses interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces to be able to manage them in network manager |
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| 13:04.47 | CyL | cm_: I'll give it a try thanks for the advice |
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| 13:05.25 | caravel | Hi all -- Yesterday I was asking about unlocking LUKS root partition over ssh. The following might not be ideal but is rather accessible to many, and works here. http://pastebin.com/4XQ5BWAz Any comment/correction anyone, is this a suitable howto ? |
| 13:05.32 | cm_ | CyL: you re welcome |
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| 13:06.20 | DasEi | cm_: yes, interfaces overides nm-manager, after commenting can do sudo dhclient |
| 13:06.47 | DasEi | cm_,sry CyL: yes, interfaces overides nm-manager, after commenting can do sudo dhclient |
| 13:07.09 | kombi | how do I *completely* re-install? In my case apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server does not install the default databases... |
| 13:07.29 | Rienzilla | kombi: first puruge |
| 13:07.38 | kombi | Rienzilla: did... |
| 13:07.42 | Rienzilla | apt-get remove blah; dpkg --purge blah; apt-get install blah |
| 13:08.09 | Rienzilla | you can also uninstall and then rm -rf /var/lib/mysql if you want your databases gone |
| 13:08.33 | kombi | Rienzilla: did, but they are not re-installed... |
| 13:08.47 | Rienzilla | what do you expect to be installed? |
| 13:08.57 | Rienzilla | I don't think mysql installs a default database... |
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| 13:09.15 | DasEi | caravel: works over ssh, too , just su to root before instead of sudo :http://www.ubuntugeek.com/rescue-an-encrypted-luks-lvm-volume.html |
| 13:09.25 | kombi | Rienzilla: database called mysql, holds system users etc |
| 13:10.34 | Rienzilla | that should be installed, yes |
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| 13:11.00 | kombi | Rienzilla: I actually did wipe /var/lib/mysql as well as /etc/mysql, those dirs don't come back auf after apt-get install |
| 13:11.15 | kombi | ..or --reinstall |
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| 13:12.00 | kombi | I must be in dpkg hell...;) |
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| 13:13.50 | caravel | DasEi: thanks for your reply. But I'm not sure to understand what you mean! :) The goal of this *is* to permit the unlock over ssh so the system can boot -- and *is* to be done as root (?) |
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| 13:14.21 | caravel | DasEi: oh sorry, I had missed your link |
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| 13:15.26 | DasEi | caravel: anyway, that won't help you then, I thought opening a luks partitoning on a already running boc with ssh |
| 13:15.31 | DasEi | box* |
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| 13:17.43 | caravel | DasEi: right -- my point here is that, when debian root partition is installed on a LUKS device (during standard installation), then by default (out of the box) there isn't any way to unlock it remotely at every boot. So I'm just trying to summarize one method that solves this. |
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| 13:19.10 | elfranne | i got a small problem when trying out LVM .... when i try to create a volume group using vgcreate i got : Command failed with status code 5 |
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| 13:19.37 | notze | hey guys my update monitor tells me that i should do an update on my debian but on of the scheduled packets i dont wanna upgrate. how can i exclude it? (Inst pure-ftpd-mysql [1.0.21-11.4] (1.0.21-11.4 Debian:5.0.8/oldstable)) |
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| 13:19.51 | DasEi | caravel: right, that's a pitty, you could mount them from a live-usb and then boot it from there, easier would be to crypt just data witch ecryptfs or truecrypt |
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| 13:21.25 | caravel | DasEi: no no, the method I exposed above really works :) One must simply re-generate initramfs whenever root password changes, rather sensible |
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| 13:22.25 | DasEi | caravel: the above posted link ? bookmarked, I'll crash a vm on that, soon :) |
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| 13:22.42 | caravel | DasEi: yes, the pastebin one |
| 13:22.44 | caravel | :) |
| 13:22.56 | DasEi | great work then |
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| 13:23.51 | caravel | DasEi: credits go to others ! I only "adapted" it to my own needs and squeeze from my poor expertise ^^ |
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| 13:25.31 | DasEi | caravel: early-ssh, that's the big new there for me, just by initramfs |
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| 13:27.07 | caravel | DasEi: it's "only" a little script that automates things a bit - this code is pretty clear. And by the way, I think I had to install dropbear manually |
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| 13:27.18 | caravel | (well, apt-get install dropbear) |
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| 13:28.23 | notze | ah wajig is nice ;DD |
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| 13:30.57 | caravel | DasEi: oh, and dpkg -i won't take the URL :) wget first is better practice anyway ! Here is an update http://pastebin.com/DYeEuabn |
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| 13:32.07 | DasEi | caravel: I'm there already, now getting source ,though not enough time for all today |
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| 13:41.34 | DasEi | caravel: again thanks for sharing that, lil' scary for paranoids, kernel hooks and then root-permited remoteshell, gg, almost evil maid, will try it soon |
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| 13:42.56 | DasEi | caravel: as this is running each startup, could have another port and a fail2ban added |
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| 13:43.42 | CuBeW0rK | hi all! I have some problems with updating! apt-listbugs tell me some errors, but I'm not sure about some package impartance it lists. eg. for libgfortran3. in case I'm not developing anything, only using libreoffice mainly, is it safe to upgrade? |
| 13:45.15 | CuBeW0rK | Bug#622783: libgfortran3: Conflicting version between libgfortran and the default gfortran compiler |
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| 13:55.50 | wols_ | CuBeW0rK: are you running sid? |
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| 13:56.43 | CuBeW0rK | wols, no, it's testing |
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| 14:00.33 | TuxBrother | hello |
| 14:00.52 | TuxBrother | someone have expierences with ubuntu shell scripts? |
| 14:01.02 | jelly | TuxBrother: try asking in #ubuntu |
| 14:01.08 | wols_ | TuxBrother: since this is #debian: no we don't |
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| 14:01.20 | TuxBrother | ubuntu is debian based |
| 14:01.23 | jelly | TuxBrother: or #bash for generic shell scripting help |
| 14:01.34 | wols_ | !tell TuxBrother about debian based |
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| 14:01.44 | jelly | TuxBrother: we can't afford to support ubuntu in here, sorry |
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| 14:02.11 | TuxBrother | there are people with Ubuntu knowledge there? |
| 14:02.30 | skamikaze | lalalala |
| 14:02.38 | skamikaze | !ubuntu |
| 14:02.38 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 14:04.53 | tuxcrafter | i want o increase my HISTSIZE but for all user |
| 14:05.04 | tuxcrafter | should i use /etc/environment ? |
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| 14:06.00 | tuxcrafter | or /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 14:06.45 | jelly | tuxcrafter: or /etc/profile???? |
| 14:07.02 | DammitJim | the history is always in .bash_history right? |
| 14:07.06 | DammitJim | it doesn't get cleared? |
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| 14:08.24 | tuxcrafter | DammitJim: depends on you configs |
| 14:08.44 | DammitJim | # append to the history file, don't overwrite it |
| 14:08.44 | DammitJim | shopt -s histappend |
| 14:08.49 | tuxcrafter | by default is is a fifo with 1000 linues |
| 14:09.00 | DammitJim | oh, really? |
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| 14:12.48 | tuxcrafter | jelly: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=NRYFF6dS |
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| 14:15.22 | cutout | Hi, I f I have to put my debian server on a customer place, how can I protect it from being booted as single user mode and other stuff? |
| 14:16.15 | tvm | cutout: encypted hdd ? |
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| 14:16.25 | cutout | tvm |
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| 14:16.39 | cutout | tvm: pls direct me to link or package :) |
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| 14:18.06 | Pymous | Hello ! |
| 14:18.07 | tvm | cutout: i had this in my bookmarks: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ |
| 14:18.24 | cutout | tvm: thanks alot man :) |
| 14:18.59 | cutout | tvm: have u ever tried it? |
| 14:19.21 | cutout | will it work with back tools such as remastersys? |
| 14:19.27 | tvm | yes, i've had systems with encrypted partitions in the past (not debian though) |
| 14:19.58 | wols_ | !luks |
| 14:19.58 | dpkg | Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://freeotfe.org/ and <ext2read>. |
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| 14:21.05 | cutout | thanks wols |
| 14:21.58 | deeLer | cutout: i use encfs for encrypting usb drives used for backup, these go off-site and risk of getting stolen is real |
| 14:22.20 | deeLer | works great and it's very transparent |
| 14:22.36 | cutout | thanks I'll check it too |
| 14:22.55 | Pymous | Sorry, i have a 'small' issue |
| 14:22.56 | Pymous | I tried to allow my server to handle exterior connexion, and now, i don't have any connexion at all, even locally, it's tell me "Access denied for user 'root'" every single time now |
| 14:23.07 | Bushmills | encfs here too. but /home only, not system directories |
| 14:23.27 | Bushmills | easy, reasonably fast. |
| 14:23.42 | deeLer | indeed |
| 14:23.56 | cutout | but does support system directories encryption? |
| 14:24.12 | deeLer | and it's filesystem based, it allows you to for example rsync on the crypted drive |
| 14:24.19 | Bushmills | i don't care about encrypting stuff which is available freely anyway |
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| 14:25.20 | deeLer | cutout, why don't you use a GRUB password, prevents from going so single mode |
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| 14:25.34 | cutout | Because I don't know about it :( |
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| 14:25.41 | cutout | I'll check it too |
| 14:25.45 | cutout | :) |
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| 14:25.57 | deeLer | i mean do you need encryption or just password protection ? |
| 14:26.10 | tvm | deeler: that doesn't prevents user to boot <device> and access the HDD with data |
| 14:26.39 | deeLer | if you combine it with a bios password, and make sure the boot order is always and only HDD .... |
| 14:26.40 | tvm | cutout: you need encryption, if you put your machine to customer with sensitive data |
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| 14:26.58 | Seb | deeLer: you can still take the HDD out |
| 14:26.59 | cutout | then encryption it is |
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| 14:27.02 | tvm | yeah, then some dood comes up, resets bios, sticks a flash disk inside and views your hdd |
| 14:27.09 | tvm | or take out the hdd. |
| 14:27.21 | Seb | luks is pretty sweet |
| 14:27.27 | deeLer | seb , indeed ... depends on your paranoialevel what to use |
| 14:27.32 | Seb | been using it for years |
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| 14:27.39 | cutout | but if the HDD is encrypted he will never be able to get the data? |
| 14:28.07 | Bushmills | "never" as in "taking 10000 years to crack it"? |
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| 14:28.53 | Bushmills | (using current technology) |
| 14:28.58 | tvm | nods |
| 14:29.30 | tvm | unless you *rock* at guessing ;] |
| 14:29.32 | cutout | but after encryption how will the server work |
| 14:29.35 | cutout | ? |
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| 14:30.04 | tvm | normally, you just need your password to decrypt everything. |
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| 14:30.12 | tvm | once inserted, data will be readable. |
| 14:30.12 | Bushmills | the directory containing encrypted files is mounted to a directory which then shows plaintext files |
| 14:30.48 | Iridos | that means you have to type the password on each reboot, of course |
| 14:30.49 | Bushmills | writing to plaintext directory cause encryption, and placing files to encrypted directory |
| 14:30.55 | Iridos | or the passfile |
| 14:31.08 | Iridos | *make available the passfile |
| 14:31.14 | cutout | ah, so if I have php application deployed on apache 2 and I encrypted that, when I start the server will it work? |
| 14:31.37 | Bushmills | if encrypted directory was mounted by then, yes |
| 14:31.45 | cutout | :) |
| 14:31.48 | cutout | thanks alot |
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| 14:34.04 | R1ck | heya. where can I find all the questions debian-installer asks for partman, so I can build a preseed file for it? somehow it doesnt "listen" to d-i partman/confirm boolean true |
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| 14:34.45 | laust | Hi everyone |
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| 14:36.32 | laust | I'm on debian testing, amd64, trying to get java plugin activated on firefox. I've tried the top results of search engines without success. Would anyone have hints for me? |
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| 14:37.31 | wols_ | !tell laust about install java |
| 14:37.54 | Seb | laust: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apb.html |
| 14:38.00 | Seb | hrm |
| 14:38.07 | Seb | R1ck: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apb.html |
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| 14:39.52 | R1ck | Seb: thanks, but already viewed that ofcourse ;) |
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| 14:40.31 | R1ck | but I notice it seems to be d-i partman-partitioning/confirm_write_new_label boolean true now, when first it was partman/confirm_write_new_label |
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| 14:41.07 | C-boys | I have 2 identical sata 1TB disks in my desktop compyter. 1 is filled with data and one isn't and has never been formatted. I like to clone the contents of disk 1 to disk 2 |
| 14:41.10 | C-boys | any idea how I can do this? I prefer a boot cd that can do this |
| 14:41.12 | C-boys | The disk is full disk encrypted |
| 14:41.26 | R1ck | C-boys: man dd |
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| 14:42.33 | karlpinc | laust: My advice is to come here, or to the reference manual, or to the debian wiki, for help first. Then go to the people who wrote the software for help (which in this case is probably not a very good option). And finally search the web for random advice. |
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| 14:42.51 | miggdrasil | hello. I have a post-install network problem on debian. I installed debian testing using netinst iso ( 64 bit ver. ). during the install, my wireless network worked fine but after the first reboot I simply cannot connect. iwconfig doesn't show wlan0. dhcpcd wlan0 outputs ERROR, wlan0: ioctl SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device |
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| 14:44.10 | karlpinc | miggdrasil: Did you use the stock netinstall or a contributed one with non-free firmware? (I've no idea and don't know wireless, but it seems like a good question to ask.) |
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| 14:44.20 | wols_ | miggdrasil: what wlan chip? |
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| 14:45.12 | miggdrasil | i used the stock netinstall. |
| 14:45.18 | miggdrasil | wols: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 14:45.21 | karlpinc | C-boys: Boot into single user mode before running dd. |
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| 14:45.32 | wols_ | miggdrasil: dmesg |grep ath |
| 14:45.38 | dvs | miggdrasil: which kernel? |
| 14:45.44 | karlpinc | miggdrasil: lspci -nn will report the pciid too, which is very useful. (FYI) |
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| 14:45.57 | wols_ | karlpinc: we already know the chip now |
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| 14:46.26 | karlpinc | wols_: Yah. It was a fyi. (And for all I know there's more than one Atheros chip and they need different drivers.) |
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| 14:47.03 | miggdrasil | do I have to put dmesg |grep ath on debian or I may try it on my current os? |
| 14:47.09 | karlpinc | C-boys: (Or use the install cd to do it.) |
| 14:47.12 | wols_ | karlpinc: there is only one ar9285... |
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| 14:47.45 | wols_ | miggdrasil: debian. your AR9285 is supported since linux 2.6.29 and therefore supported out of the box in current stable onwards |
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| 14:48.15 | karlpinc | C-boys: (There's also parted and gparted, but that's overkill.) |
| 14:48.20 | dvs | wols_: But the 2.6.37 kernel was the first kernel that works well with it. |
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| 14:48.29 | miggdrasil | wols_: if I install debian testing it works |
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| 14:48.37 | wols_ | miggdrasil: if your network uses WPA or WPA2 you need wpasupplicant installed. tho, the wlan interface should show in "ifconfig -a" just after booting the kernel, no further configuration necessary |
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| 14:48.41 | miggdrasil | no, sorry, debian stable |
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| 14:49.01 | dvs | miggdrasil: Get the backported kernel. |
| 14:49.25 | wols_ | !tell miggdrasil about backports |
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| 14:49.32 | miggdrasil | i cannoct connect to internet from debian |
| 14:49.40 | wols_ | dvs: which is another can of worms tho. that kernel doesn't work very well (for me) either :P |
| 14:49.56 | dvs | oh? |
| 14:50.01 | miggdrasil | i don't have an encrypted network |
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| 14:50.36 | karlpinc | So miggdrasil is running stable but his wireless does work with testing? |
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| 14:51.05 | miggdrasil | no, wireless works in stable, but in testing doesn't. |
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| 14:51.26 | karlpinc | miggdrasil: Ok. (Are you new to debian?) |
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| 14:51.29 | miggdrasil | i'm not currently on debian at all |
| 14:51.38 | miggdrasil | yes |
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| 14:51.40 | wols_ | dvs: I have a Thinkpad which has switchable graphics (intel/ati). WHen I booted the backports kernel first I got a black screen. Had to install the ati firmware. For the stable kernel it was fine. With X it's the same: black screen on 2.6.38, fine on 2.6.32 |
| 14:51.49 | karlpinc | !tell miggdrasil about overview |
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| 14:51.58 | karlpinc | miggdrasil: ^^ FYI. |
| 14:52.11 | miggdrasil | FYI? |
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| 14:52.22 | wols_ | !fyi |
| 14:52.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, fyi is For Your Information |
| 14:52.27 | dvs | wols_: That's weird. I have a Toshiba C650D and never encounted a black screen with either kernel. |
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| 14:52.52 | karlpinc | miggdrasil: In other words, it has nothing to do with what we're talking about but you may find the information helpful in other ways. |
| 14:53.10 | dvs | wols_: The wireless frequently dropped the connection with 2.6.32 but 2.6.38 is MUCH more reliable (but not perfect) |
| 14:53.22 | miggdrasil | ok, thanks |
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| 14:53.52 | wols_ | dvs: good thing I am poor and only own a ath5k card. works fine, no matter the kernel :P |
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| 14:54.01 | miggdrasil | i'll reboot, and post the result of ifconfig -a |
| 14:54.08 | miggdrasil | is that fine with you? |
| 14:54.09 | wols_ | miggdrasil: wait. a |
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| 14:54.32 | miggdrasil | ok |
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| 14:54.37 | wols_ | also get the output of your kernel log with "dmesg". It's a lot. "dmesg > dmesg.out" is preferred |
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| 14:54.57 | miggdrasil | ok |
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| 14:56.27 | Pymous | Hello ! |
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| 14:56.43 | Pymous | Excuse me guyz, i have a big issue with my mysql server |
| 14:57.00 | Pymous | I can't log in anymore, and even when i reinit the pass or the grant table |
| 14:57.09 | Pymous | I can't connect, i have this error: error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
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| 14:57.49 | Seb | Pymous: #mysql ? |
| 14:57.50 | karlpinc | I've some sort of resolver problem. "ping -n www.google.com" works fine. "ping www.google.com" seems to spend a lot of time resolving, each ping is delayed multiple seconds. "getent hosts www.google.com" works fine. I've a local dns server and "dig www.google.com @localhost" works fine. When /etc/nsswitch.conf has the line "hosts: files dns mdns4" there's the ping problem. When nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files dns" there's no problem. |
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| 14:59.06 | Pymous | Seb > They told me to come here... |
| 14:59.09 | Seb | karlpinc: remove mdns4 altogether ? Other than that tcpdump -i ethX port 53, and see what's taking so long ? |
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| 14:59.16 | Pymous | Since my error show up when i try to launch the server |
| 14:59.16 | Seb | Pymous: can you connect as root ? |
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| 14:59.22 | Pymous | Seb > Nop |
| 14:59.27 | Pymous | oh wait |
| 14:59.30 | Pymous | To my server ? |
| 14:59.33 | Pymous | yes, in SSH |
| 14:59.41 | Seb | Pymous: mysql -u root ? |
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| 15:00.03 | Pymous | Seb > Nop |
| 15:00.04 | Bushmills | karlpinc: what does dig -x <google's.ip.address> do? |
| 15:00.24 | Seb | Pymous: is mysql running ? |
| 15:00.24 | karlpinc | Seb: Sure, I can make the problem go away, but attacking the symptoms without knowing what's going on is distasteful. |
| 15:00.36 | admin1 | karlpinc:as suggested by seb tcpdump should should give u a fair idea |
| 15:00.39 | Seb | karlpinc: so go with the tcpdump investigation, then ? |
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| 15:01.31 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Comes back in 17ms with no answer. |
| 15:01.36 | karlpinc | Seb: That makes sense. |
| 15:01.45 | Pymous | Seb > Can I PM u ? It would be easier :) |
| 15:02.00 | Seb | Pymous: definitely not |
| 15:02.01 | Bushmills | no answer? hm. somehow reverse resolving doesn't seem to work |
| 15:02.08 | Pymous | Ok ! |
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| 15:02.28 | Seb | Pymous: so, is mysql running ? |
| 15:02.28 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Yeah. I get an soa and nothing else. |
| 15:02.44 | karlpinc | Pymous: We like to talk to the channel here so everybody can help/learn. |
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| 15:03.10 | Pymous | karlpinc > I understand |
| 15:03.16 | Pymous | Seb > Yes |
| 15:03.21 | miggdrasil | i'm back. dmseg - command not found |
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| 15:03.43 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.50 | Seb | miggdrasil: d m e s g |
| 15:03.53 | wols_ | dmesg, not dmseg. mesg as in message |
| 15:04.05 | miggdrasil | oh.. |
| 15:04.12 | Seb | Pymous: ok, so what error do you get when running mysql -u root ? |
| 15:04.25 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Yes. It's definatly waiting on reverse resolution. getent hosts takes a long time unless I remove the mdns from nsswitch.conf |
| 15:04.26 | Bushmills | karlpinc: try different address. for example, dig +short -x 78.46.19.202 |
| 15:04.38 | Pymous | Seb > This: http://pastebin.com/qtbnRXwX |
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| 15:04.51 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Works just fine. |
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| 15:05.05 | Bushmills | a real host name shown? |
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| 15:05.20 | Seb | Pymous: dude, "mysql -u root" |
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| 15:05.33 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Well, forward resolution works. |
| 15:06.12 | Bushmills | so when you ping that shown hostname, without -n, will it ping normally, or taking long for each ping too? |
| 15:07.07 | karlpinc | Bushmills: scarydevilmonastery.net seems to ping fine either way. |
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| 15:07.38 | Bushmills | try a few other hosts and ip addresses. |
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| 15:08.03 | Bushmills | if others do well, problem may be with google |
| 15:08.06 | miggdrasil | <wols how should i post the result? |
| 15:08.15 | rgr | Is using SW mirroring to a second sata drive considered a good back up stragegy in case of catostrophic disk failure? Someone mentioned using snapshots too but they seem more for backup up a running system than actually storing a back up. Or would I be better just rsyncing from one drive to another periodically? Any suggestions appreciated. |
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| 15:08.28 | rgr | (snapshots of an lvm) |
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| 15:09.35 | rgr | pymous : its mysql -uroot -p |
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| 15:10.07 | Seb | karlpinc: apt-get install zonecheck, and point it against your zone; you'll learn about blatant misconfigurations on your end |
| 15:10.09 | karlpinc | Bushmills: dig -x 74.125.225.20 @8.8.8.8 (which is what www.google.com resolves to) returns nothing in reverse dns. So perhaps there's a problem at google with reverse dns. But why is mdns messing with me? Shouldn't it fail fast also? |
| 15:10.09 | Pymous | rgr / Seb : i can go inside a prompt like that |
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| 15:10.14 | Pymous | I will try to handle from now, ty |
| 15:10.39 | miggdrasil | wols_: I did that output |
| 15:10.43 | Seb | rgr: (the space only matters for -p, not for any other options) |
| 15:10.49 | miggdrasil | how can I show it to you? |
| 15:11.11 | wols_ | !pastebinit |
| 15:11.11 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 15:11.13 | karlpinc | Seb: There seems to be something going on at google.... But why it's messing with me I don't know. |
| 15:11.13 | Seb | rgr: best is to have the backup drive some place else, so plugging it in, rsync'ing, plugging it out sounds mcuh better than mirroring |
| 15:11.28 | wols_ | miggdrasil: or use a site like pastie.org |
| 15:11.31 | karlpinc | wols_: But he does not have network on his debian box. How can he use pastebinit? |
| 15:11.44 | rgr | well yes, but thats not what I'm talking about. I want to use the built in drive and wonder if lvm mirroring is recommended over rsync. |
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| 15:11.56 | rgr | (I also do periodic backups to an external usb drive) |
| 15:12.00 | wols_ | karlpinc: $deity invented usb sticks for us mortals. §deity is awesome |
| 15:12.17 | Seb | rgr: since you already use lvm, I'd do mirroring |
| 15:12.19 | miggdrasil | wols_: http://pastebin.com/W5ZpmPff |
| 15:12.25 | rgr | Seb: you have experience of it? |
| 15:12.29 | karlpinc | rgr: It depends on what you're trying to do. Copies are (usually not) backups because you want more than one to have a good backup system. |
| 15:12.44 | Seb | rgr: in this scenario i don't see what rsync brings to the table |
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| 15:12.54 | Pymous | Seb > Ok, i have another error now... |
| 15:12.55 | Pymous | Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 15:12.56 | rgr | karlpinc: what do you mean? |
| 15:13.08 | Pymous | This is madness ! \o/ |
| 15:13.22 | Seb | Pymous: somehow you messed up your users, didn't you ? Just http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/recover-mysql-root-password.html |
| 15:13.28 | rgr | Pymous: you forgot your root password? It happens and is a pain the arse. |
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| 15:13.37 | rgr | its different to system root dont forget |
| 15:13.39 | karlpinc | rgr: A backup system should keep multiple versions/days of backup. Not just one copy. What if you bork your system, don't know it, and make a single copy "backup"? You have junk in both places. |
| 15:13.52 | Pymous | rgr > I didn't, i reinit my user with some help from #mysql |
| 15:14.12 | ManateeLazyCat | rgr: Hey, there, see you again. :) |
| 15:14.15 | wols_ | miggdrasil: there is no wlan chipset detected at all, check if lspci does |
| 15:14.16 | rgr | karlpinc: yes, I know that. But thats not what I'm asking. I could also use rsnapshot. But I asked about catastrophic disk failure so I could still use the system. But thanks anyway. |
| 15:14.23 | wols_ | miggdrasil: maybe the wlan chipset is disabled? |
| 15:14.26 | rgr | ManateeLazyCat: hi! |
| 15:14.31 | karlpinc | rgr: FWIW mdadm mirroring is often a better choice than lvm. |
| 15:14.37 | miggdrasil | lspci does |
| 15:14.49 | Pymous | Seb > I will do that |
| 15:14.58 | rgr | never heard odf mdadm mirroring . Will google it. Thanks for the info. |
| 15:14.58 | Jarvis | Seb: if i recall running dpkg-reconfigure allows you to reset the root user password if you've forgotten it. provided the debian-sys-maint account still exists |
| 15:15.00 | ManateeLazyCat | rgr: How are you recently? |
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| 15:15.26 | Jarvis | (mysql root password i mean) |
| 15:15.30 | Seb | Jarvis: it's fucked in this case |
| 15:15.38 | Jarvis | ah :( |
| 15:15.41 | rgr | ManateeLazyCat: not bad. Well, been better. Trashed my debian systemre recently after listening to someone here assure me that enlarging lvm volumes live is "just fine". Took some rebuilding ... |
| 15:16.16 | Seb | rgr: at least on ext3/ext4, it *is* fine |
| 15:16.16 | ManateeLazyCat | Haha. :) |
| 15:16.29 | rgr | Seb: wrong. It is not fine. It balked my lvm. |
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| 15:16.44 | rgr | It might normally be fine but it hosed something. |
| 15:16.50 | karlpinc | rgr: (Although there are two steps, resizeing the partition and resizing the filesystem.) |
| 15:16.51 | Seb | rgr: considered user error ? I've done that several times, without any trouble |
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| 15:17.06 | rgr | Seb: nope. i was really careful and, in fairness, had done it before. |
| 15:17.22 | rgr | maybe it was a glitch. ioctl errors while resizing. |
| 15:17.32 | Seb | rgr: huh |
| 15:17.49 | rgr | exactly. I dont pretend to understand it, defend it or anything. but it happened. |
| 15:17.54 | Seb | rgr: could one of the drives start going bad maybe ? |
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| 15:18.02 | Seb | s/could/is/ |
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| 15:18.19 | rgr | I dont think so, *but* hence asking about mirroring now ;) both fairly new units but who knows. |
| 15:18.24 | karlpinc | rgr: FYI smartmontools will report drive diagnostics. |
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| 15:18.39 | rgr | yeah have that on my "to do list" as soon as I get mirrored. |
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| 15:19.11 | ManateeLazyCat | rgr: Hehe, on my "to do list", i understand it. :) |
| 15:19.23 | rgr | The best which you guys missed was my deleting my etc/passwd file instead of etc/exim4/passwd this morning after a long night programming. Doh! Thank god for sysrescue and lvms and debians /var/backups ! saved my arse! |
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| 15:19.50 | ManateeLazyCat | lol |
| 15:20.01 | miggdrasil | wols_: here's lscpi output http://pastebin.com/mTikefA6 |
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| 15:20.09 | rgr | Luckily I had a laptop nearby to google up mounting the lvm! |
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| 15:20.25 | miggdrasil | as you can see lspci detects the wireless card |
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| 15:20.56 | lord_rob | Hi ! I have a microSD SDHC card with an USB adapter. Can I format to ext4 ? |
| 15:21.16 | lord_rob | It's read as fat32 by default |
| 15:22.20 | Seb | lord_rob: you really want something that doesn't journal for flash cards |
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| 15:23.04 | lord_rob | Seb: android uses ext4 |
| 15:23.18 | lord_rob | hence the question |
| 15:23.36 | thewanderer1 | Android uses VFAT for microSD cards :P |
| 15:23.58 | Seb | lord_rob: nor on something that's RW |
| 15:24.07 | petemc | thewanderer1: it doesnt have to |
| 15:24.08 | Seb | s/nor/not/ |
| 15:24.08 | Bushmills | lord_rob: nilfs or logfs look interesting for flash devices |
| 15:24.26 | karlpinc | rgr: aptitude show mdadm |
| 15:24.34 | Pymous | Ok so ! |
| 15:24.45 | Pymous | I reinit my mysql table (again) |
| 15:24.51 | thewanderer1 | anyway, I ran a home server off a CF card for a year on ext3, and the card is still fine |
| 15:24.52 | Pymous | and used your awesome link Seb |
| 15:25.00 | Pymous | And my website is up ! |
| 15:25.06 | Pymous | My root user is correct |
| 15:25.19 | Pymous | But i still have this error when i try to launch my mysql server, 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
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| 15:25.41 | Pymous | Even if it's launch the server and work, it's provide me to shuting it down properly |
| 15:25.46 | Pymous | (i have to kill it >< ) |
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| 15:26.39 | wols_ | Pymous: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-634943.html why don't you google? |
| 15:27.09 | Bushmills | he did. google by proxy/by delegation :) |
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| 15:27.19 | miggdrasil | wols_: have you seen my lscpi output? http://pastebin.com/mTikefA6 |
| 15:27.36 | Pymous | wols_ > Coz i wasn't asking for help this time, someone told me to not PM ppl because some others may be learning/helping in the chan |
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| 15:27.45 | Pymous | I was just "updating my status" if u prefer :) |
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| 15:28.16 | wols_ | yes. dunno why it doesn't pick up the atheros chip. I'd use kernel 2.6.32 anyways if I were you: 2.6.38 has a power regression and uses significantly more battery when idle |
| 15:28.55 | wols_ | your hardware isn't so new that it really needs a new kernel, so 2.6.32 should work fine. at least you should try if 2.6.32 works, so you know it's the kernel that botches it up and nothing else |
| 15:29.16 | miggdrasil | wols_: ok, so you advise me to stay fully with the stable? |
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| 15:29.59 | wols_ | miggdrasil: another thing you could try is "modprobe ath9k" to load the driver manually. |
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| 15:31.14 | wols_ | miggdrasil: since you are new to debian we advise you to stay with stable, yes. But what I meant is you can run the stable kernel 2.6.32 and still run testing |
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| 15:31.35 | wols_ | you don't need to run 2.6.38 to use testing at all |
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| 15:31.52 | miggdrasil | how do I do that? |
| 15:32.32 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 15:32.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 15:32.48 | wols_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=Linux-image&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all download the kernel you want and install it with dpkg -i that's the easiest way |
| 15:33.24 | wols_ | damn, wrong branchn. want stable kernels |
| 15:33.24 | miggdrasil | ok, thanks.. |
| 15:34.03 | wols_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=Linux-image&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all most probably linux-image-2.6-686 if you run i386 or the -amd64 kernel if you run 64bit debian |
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| 15:55.09 | alien1 | pastebinit |
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| 15:55.42 | tuxcrafter | i cant get my bridge with a bonding device working: http://pastebin.com/7Wy2AfeB |
| 15:55.48 | tuxcrafter | the bond is working |
| 15:55.52 | tuxcrafter | i added the br0 |
| 15:56.03 | tuxcrafter | and its not getting an ip |
| 15:56.34 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: Ubuntu uses PulseAudio by default, whereas, by default, Debian does not (AFAIK) - it is possible to do the thing you've mentioned in GNOME; you have to install pulseaudio and pavucontrol packages. |
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| 15:57.13 | SammyTheSnake | thewanderer1: I'll install it and see what happens, do I need to do any further configuration than just installing it? |
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| 15:57.51 | thewanderer1 | SammyTheSnake: it should start automatically when you log out and log back in to your user account on GNOME |
| 15:58.05 | thewanderer1 | pavucontrol you have to start manually |
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| 15:59.53 | Bartzy|work | can I make a curl POST request, then with the cookies I got from the response to do another request to the same site (different page) (something like login, then do some action) ? |
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| 16:02.44 | mengu | hi. i'm using nginx on a debian server and i have a problem. |
| 16:02.50 | mengu | i get an error "too many open files" |
| 16:03.04 | mengu | how can i increase that limit? |
| 16:03.19 | greedo | anyone know a bunch about drbd |
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| 16:04.05 | rgr | mengu: considering nginx claims is that its the most scaleable web server out there this is a surprise! |
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| 16:04.26 | rgr | you need to be more specific and chekc the logs and ask nginx support if I were you. |
| 16:04.38 | rgr | http://wiki.nginx.org/Community |
| 16:04.40 | brahman | mengu: sudo cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 16:04.53 | thewanderer1 | I'd type "nginx" "too many open files" to a Web search engine :P |
| 16:05.21 | greedo | when using drbd, would something like heartbeat swap ip addresses/hostnames in the case of a primary failure |
| 16:05.25 | rgr | and then discover you have an inode issue on debian ;) |
| 16:05.27 | brahman | mengu: is the limit the same as nginx reports? |
| 16:06.28 | rgr | there are oodles of solutions in google. |
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| 16:06.37 | bgy | How can I redirect to both stdin & a file? |
| 16:06.49 | rgr | tee i think |
| 16:07.09 | rgr | #bash would be more appropriate assuming you mean a bash command line. |
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| 16:07.38 | mengu | rgr: brahman: the nginx error is "2011/05/16 19:04:38 [error] 4493#0: *1430021 connect() to unix:///tmp/realtime_counter.sock failed (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) while connecting to upstream," |
| 16:07.54 | rgr | so nothing about too many files? |
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| 16:08.11 | mengu | and |
| 16:08.12 | mengu | cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 16:08.14 | mengu | 1645556 |
| 16:08.21 | rgr | but typing your problem into google shows you the solution on the first hit. |
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| 16:08.29 | rgr | (or possible solution) |
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| 16:08.48 | mengu | rgr: i've tried all those solutions |
| 16:08.51 | mengu | none did help me at all |
| 16:09.22 | rgr | I would really suggest nginx community over here to be honest. |
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| 16:10.16 | rgr | it must be some load on the server or? |
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| 16:12.11 | jelly | mengu: does nginx use PAM as a means to set up resource limits? |
| 16:13.15 | cusco | hi folks |
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| 16:14.03 | itch_ | Hello guys. Kinda noob question, but here it goes: from where can I change the default output from the onboard sound card to the USB one? I see that in alsamixer is already set as default, but the change does not apply . |
| 16:14.11 | cusco | how can I know if there is any prevision of packaging mysql work bench? |
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| 16:16.36 | jelly | itch_: one possible approach is to set index= kernel module options for both snd-usb-audio and your onboard card driver |
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| 16:18.29 | jelly | itch_: set index=0 for the first card, index=1 for the second one, etc |
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| 16:19.35 | AndIrc_ | hi. any irc channel about networks? thanks |
| 16:19.42 | itch_ | jelly, from where exactly can I modify the index ? alsa.conf ? |
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| 16:20.34 | greedo | AndIrc_: what kind of networks? |
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| 16:20.40 | sh1shm1sh | Wyzard: Remember talking about udev and weird-nic-remembering from some two days ago? |
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| 16:21.02 | jelly | itch_: this is an options for the kernel module, so, a *.conf file in /etc/modprobe.d/. Eg. /etc/modprobe/local.conf |
| 16:21.24 | itch_ | jelly, I understand. Thank yout |
| 16:21.40 | Mmike | when upgrading mysql in debian lenny from 5.0.x to 5.1.x (one from lenny backports), can that be done via just apt-get install mysql-server, or? |
| 16:21.44 | Mmike | (backup before, ofc) |
| 16:22.13 | sh1shm1sh | Wyzard: [udev kept renaming my nics even after removing both 70-persistent.. and 75-persistent.. files] |
| 16:22.21 | rgr | Mmike: Why would you think not considering its a backport? |
| 16:22.29 | themill | Mmike: yes. You might find aptitude does a better job of handling some dependencies in that though (the old mysql* packages will need to be removed first) |
| 16:22.40 | jelly | an options? Eh. itch_: something like options snd-usb-audio index=0 in there, and options snd-hda-intel index=1 (this is just an example, figure out what module your onbard is really using) |
| 16:23.08 | themill | Mmike: you could also consider upgrading to squeeze where mysql 5.1 the default. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze. |
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| 16:23.19 | Mmike | upgrading to squeeze is not an option atm |
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| 16:23.40 | themill | .oO(but installing a new db server is) |
| 16:23.44 | Mmike | and I'd love if I could just do apt-get install mysql-server, and so that upgrade process will take care of everything. |
| 16:23.53 | AndIrc_ | greedo hi. network connection. pc to webserver for example. general network question |
| 16:23.57 | sh1shm1sh | Wyzard: well, it looks like a reference to original interface names is kept in initrd file. update-initramfs -u solved my problem. |
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| 16:26.05 | zeekill | I am trying to install mysql-server but I get this http://pastebin.com/xkBe8gdh |
| 16:26.11 | zeekill | what should I do? |
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| 16:26.32 | sh1shm1sh | Wyzard: just thought to let you know. might come in handy sometimes. :) |
| 16:27.02 | greedo | ~ask |
| 16:27.02 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 16:27.27 | greedo | AndIrc_^^ |
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| 16:28.31 | AndIrc_ | i need test remote webserver speed. some good program in debian? |
| 16:29.01 | Mmike | themill, well, yeps, client needs mysql-5.1 and installing squeeze is not an option now. I know I can dump all databases, remove mysql-server, install mysql-server from backports, and import databases and fix users. But I'd love if apt-get would take care of that :) That's why I'm checking |
| 16:29.26 | AndIrc_ | greedo some kind of script or whatever |
| 16:30.35 | AndIrc_ | greedo the ping is too high but i need more info |
| 16:30.58 | themill | Mmike: the maintainer scripts will sort out the db format, yes. It's unusual that you'd be prepared to muck about with a db in this way but not be prepared to upgrade to squeeze. (remember, you probably only have another 8 or 9 months worth of security support for lenny) |
| 16:31.02 | zeekill | o mysql is broken? |
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| 16:31.04 | zeekill | so* |
| 16:31.21 | jhutchins_lt | zeekill: No. |
| 16:31.41 | zeekill | Why won't it install on my clean debian |
| 16:31.48 | greedo | I use speedtest.net a lot |
| 16:32.17 | AndIrc_ | greedo is on debian repo? |
| 16:32.24 | Mmike | themill, I have 200+ servers running lenny, I can't upgrade just one box to squeeze atm. I'm preparing the upgrade, but that will take some time. |
| 16:32.31 | Mmike | And this guy needs mysql 5.1 |
| 16:32.32 | themill | Mmike: ack. |
| 16:32.44 | Mmike | so, there you go :) thnx for the info |
| 16:32.45 | themill | zeekill: in what way does it not install correctly? |
| 16:33.02 | jhutchins_lt | zeekill: Your pastebin has nothing to do with installing mysql. |
| 16:33.09 | zeekill | hm |
| 16:33.12 | greedo | AndIrc_: nope, it's a website |
| 16:33.14 | zeekill | why do I get it while installing |
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| 16:33.43 | jhutchins_lt | You don't. That's the output of an ls command. |
| 16:33.51 | themill | zeekill: get what? the output of an ls command? was that the pastebin you wanted to show us? |
| 16:33.55 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude install mysql-server |
| 16:34.10 | zeekill | hm |
| 16:34.14 | AndIrc_ | greedo ahh ok. anyway do you know some debian program? |
| 16:34.19 | zeekill | http://pastebin.com/BNdTcCNz |
| 16:34.19 | zeekill | this |
| 16:34.23 | themill | Mmike: no worries. At least you're in the "I'm preparing for the upgrade" category not the "I'm ignoring the problem" category. (we still see people with etch boxes in here saying "what do you mean I should upgrade") |
| 16:34.39 | zeekill | well it has some other stuff but yes |
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| 16:34.49 | zeekill | lots off insserv: Starting vzquota depends on single and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true! |
| 16:34.52 | zeekill | of* |
| 16:35.29 | themill | zeekill: you should contact your vps provider for an up to date version of that init script. If you feel like fixing it yourself, "/msg dpkg missing lsb tags" for details |
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| 16:35.50 | jhutchins_lt | zeekill: Nothing wrong with mysql, the problem is with some of your init scripts which aren't working. |
| 16:36.28 | zeekill | oh |
| 16:36.28 | Mmike | themill, nono, I take care of my servers :) But upgradin 200+ machines is not something you can do 'just like that'. Esp when we have tons of local maintenance packages that are dependant on lenny |
| 16:36.29 | zeekill | thanks alot |
| 16:36.44 | themill | Mmike: yep. Happy hunting! |
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| 16:38.06 | jhutchins_lt | zeekill: It's best to ask either on freenode or on oftc/debian.org, not both at the same time. |
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| 16:39.33 | themill | dpkg vzquota is an <init script> that sets up quotas and devices in <openvz> environments. If you are using an old version of that script from lenny (or earlier) with squeeze, you will get lots of errors like "insserv: Starting vzquota depends on single and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!" and installation of packages will fail. Contact your VPS provider for an up-to-date version of that script, or ask me about <missing lsb |
| 16:39.33 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 16:39.34 | themill | tags> if you want to have a go at fixing it yourself. |
| 16:39.42 | themill | ETOOLONG (will fix in a msg) |
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| 16:40.30 | AndIrc_ | greedo i mean s'peed test on remote webserver. |
| 16:40.52 | greedo | AndIrc_: http://tools.pingdom.com/ is also good, you need something to test loading the page |
| 16:42.04 | jhutchins_lt | AndIrc_: Look at apache.org, they have several load testing suites. |
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| 16:47.14 | AndIrc_ | greedo yes something to test loading page time and conection time |
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| 16:50.17 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 16:50.32 | gypsymauro | I want to get all files from a ftp site, what's the best way to achieve this? |
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| 16:53.46 | Iridos | wget -r ftp://somewhere.com/pub ? |
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| 16:55.28 | Iridos | there's about a gazillion ways how you can do that, also /msg dpkg best |
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| 16:56.41 | Bushmills | gypsymauro: you ask the admin for a backup of the whole machine. |
| 16:57.01 | Bushmills | otherwise you'll get only the files available through ftp |
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| 16:57.34 | Iridos | that reminds me a bit of the story how you measure the height of a building using a manometer, though :) |
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| 17:06.35 | tuxcrafter | http://pastebin.com/7Wy2AfeB somebody that has a woring bridge with bond0 devices |
| 17:06.45 | tuxcrafter | woring/working |
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| 17:09.46 | Y0d4_ | hey there anyone who is good in mdadm? |
| 17:09.53 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: kind of |
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| 17:10.29 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: just ask your mdadm question |
| 17:10.40 | Y0d4_ | my server was broken down and i got a new mainboard |
| 17:10.54 | Y0d4_ | now all hdd names (sda sdb ...) has changed |
| 17:10.59 | Y0d4_ | got 20 hdds in my server |
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| 17:11.13 | Y0d4_ | every 2 hdds are in raid 0 now i cant mount anything |
| 17:11.35 | tuxcrafter | then you configured you mdadm wrong :D |
| 17:11.47 | test123 | the data on the hdds is very important so Y0d4 need to recover the raid array |
| 17:12.08 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: standby |
| 17:12.13 | Y0d4_ | ok thanks |
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| 17:12.31 | test123 | i think he reinstalled the OS, so the system doesn't know anything about the old raids anymore |
| 17:12.52 | tuxcrafter | no dont reinstall anythging! |
| 17:12.56 | tuxcrafter | it will still work fine |
| 17:13.02 | Y0d4_ | no only changed the HDD |
| 17:13.08 | Y0d4_ | from 1 mainboard to another |
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| 17:13.39 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: first step is to get a live usb stick of cd and get root access on the system |
| 17:13.58 | Y0d4_ | the system is started so i am logged in as root |
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| 17:14.19 | tuxcrafter | the mdadm part is the easy part but you need a a lot of basic linux knowhow |
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| 17:14.47 | Y0d4_ | i am here for help ;) cause i don´t want to fuck up the system |
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| 17:15.23 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: if you are in a live system run: mdadm --assemble --scan |
| 17:15.33 | tuxcrafter | blkid /dev/sd[abc] |
| 17:15.34 | tuxcrafter | blkid /dev/sd[abc]1 |
| 17:15.39 | tuxcrafter | to see if all uid are there |
| 17:15.53 | Y0d4_ | mdadm --assemble --scan |
| 17:15.53 | Y0d4_ | mdadm: /dev/md/0 is already in use. |
| 17:15.53 | Y0d4_ | mdadm: failed to add /dev/sdp to /dev/md/1: Invalid argument |
| 17:15.53 | Y0d4_ | mdadm: failed to add /dev/sdo to /dev/md/1: Invalid argument |
| 17:15.53 | Y0d4_ | mdadm: /dev/md/1 assembled from 0 drives - not enough to start the array. |
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| 17:16.17 | Y0d4_ | hmm do you have skype? if i past her i got kicked |
| 17:16.33 | tuxcrafter | if you talk more about skype you will be too :D |
| 17:16.52 | Y0d4_ | ;) ok |
| 17:17.02 | Y0d4_ | mdadm --assemble --scan |
| 17:17.08 | Y0d4_ | mdadm: /dev/md/0 is already in use. |
| 17:17.09 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: http://pastebin.com/ and share the link with the blkid info |
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| 17:17.38 | Y0d4_ | http://pastebin.com/YYv7SbiA |
| 17:17.40 | tuxcrafter | you can use awk and sort if you want to see if you got all the right uuids |
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| 17:17.58 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: please share the blkid info |
| 17:18.04 | emaia | hello |
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| 17:18.30 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: are you in a live system? |
| 17:18.50 | Y0d4_ | no i am in my normaly sys |
| 17:19.07 | tuxcrafter | live as in live cd or live usb stick |
| 17:19.24 | emaia | i'm triyng to configure snmp to monitore load and disk space, but i get allways no info and "End of MIB". Anyone can help? Thks |
| 17:19.36 | Y0d4_ | no on my HDD os so the normally system is running |
| 17:19.39 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: or is your boot systems not using any mdadm of lvm |
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| 17:19.57 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: chare the blkid info! |
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| 17:20.07 | tuxcrafter | /chare/share |
| 17:20.58 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: i only have 8 minutes of time left |
| 17:21.09 | Y0d4_ | hmm i dont know blkid ... |
| 17:21.17 | Y0d4_ | :( |
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| 17:21.23 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: i showd the commands |
| 17:21.33 | tuxcrafter | ls -hal /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 17:21.38 | tuxcrafter | blkid /dev/sd[abc] |
| 17:21.38 | tuxcrafter | blkid /dev/sd[abc]1 |
| 17:21.50 | tuxcrafter | en use /dev/sd* |
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| 17:21.57 | tuxcrafter | or [a-z] |
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| 17:22.18 | Y0d4_ | http://pastebin.com/yDjSXW8U |
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| 17:22.51 | ma3x | hello is there any way to query my network card? it seems dead |
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| 17:23.03 | tuxcrafter | Y0d4_: where are the blkid commands |
| 17:23.11 | tuxcrafter | you are using debian right? |
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| 17:23.38 | Y0d4_ | no i am using arch blkid is only for debian? |
| 17:23.55 | tuxcrafter | sorry cant help you anyfurther |
| 17:24.00 | tuxcrafter | please use #arch |
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| 17:25.02 | tuxcrafter | needs to solve his bridge and bonding issues http://pastebin.com/7Wy2AfeB |
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| 17:25.11 | Y0d4_ | thanks |
| 17:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | !arch |
| 17:25.29 | dpkg | i guess arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Under lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 17:25.48 | jhutchins_lt | !arch linux |
| 17:25.48 | dpkg | Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. http://www.archlinux.org/ #archlinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:30.51 | arl4223 | Is there an option to download an oldstable cd? |
| 17:31.30 | DammitJim | man, why am I getting a: Debootstrap error: Failed getting release signature file file: ... Release.gpg when trying to install wheezy from current iso? |
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| 17:32.30 | disq | hi :) |
| 17:32.34 | themill | arl4223: /msg dpkg install lenny |
| 17:32.58 | arl4223 | I need a CD |
| 17:33.06 | disq | i've copied the files from my linux partition (6.0.1) to a usb stick. how do I reconfigure grub to make it boot from usb? my intent is to remove the hdd altogether |
| 17:33.55 | Iridos | urgh... I think the first of those two factoids needs a little cleanup... how about |
| 17:34.21 | wols_ | !tell disq about ig |
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| 17:34.38 | Iridos | arch is a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch. Also: /bin/arch, not in Debian since lenny, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
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| 17:35.01 | Iridos | ops and http://arch.fifthvision.net/ seems gone, too |
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| 17:37.51 | project2501a | is there a magic utility which takes a cpan module and makes a debian package out of it? |
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| 17:38.14 | petemc | dh-make-perl |
| 17:38.26 | project2501a | thank you! |
| 17:38.30 | petemc | np |
| 17:38.30 | project2501a | reads up |
| 17:38.52 | project2501a | i have to un-fuck the cpan thingie, because it wants to overwrite /usr/local/man |
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| 17:38.59 | project2501a | instead of FUCKING TESTING IF IT EXISTS |
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| 17:46.53 | DanDare | Hello. Im trying to issue 'httpd -M' whats the correct way to do it on Lenny ? |
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| 17:47.25 | nkuttler | can somebody recommend something for using those 'media' keys on my newfangled keyboard? no gnome or kde |
| 17:47.28 | petemc | DanDare: apache2 |
| 17:47.42 | DanDare | 'apache2 -M' return me error |
| 17:47.50 | DanDare | apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 17:47.58 | petemc | what is it supposed to do? |
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| 17:49.13 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:51.50 | petemc | DanDare: use apache2ctl |
| 17:52.02 | thewanderer1 | nkuttler: 0. check with xev if they work at all 1. assign them names using Xmodmap 2. xbindkeys |
| 17:52.06 | DanDare | yeah petemc, someone just told me that, thanks |
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| 17:52.20 | DanDare | 'apache2ctl -M' list all modules currently in use |
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| 17:52.39 | nkuttler | thewanderer1: xbindkeys, thanks |
| 17:53.22 | project2501a | I LOVE YOU DEBIAN |
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| 17:53.51 | nkuttler | holy moo. my audio player responds to the keys automagically! |
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| 17:54.48 | udevnewbie | Hello |
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| 17:55.58 | udevnewbie | I used action=change, unfortunately the action when I open the drive is delayed until I close it again. However, udevadm monitor shows the action immediately when I press the eject button. What's the reason fr this behaviour? |
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| 18:01.29 | Tux123 | hey guys check this out :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO5RX2jW67Q |
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| 18:16.42 | homekevin | Does anyone happen to know why ::ffff:127.0.0.1 would be a valid address to bind to in Ubuntu but not in Debian? |
| 18:17.13 | DammitJim | what the heck is wrong with today's build???? |
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| 18:17.21 | DammitJim | It keep failing @ getting the Release signature |
| 18:17.27 | DammitJim | unless I'm downloading the wrong iso |
| 18:17.37 | michlemken_ | xchat-gnome seems to be mess right now - are fools playing with the user interface ? |
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| 18:22.00 | jelly-home | michlemken_: you said "gnome", that makes playing with UI a feature enabled by default |
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| 18:33.59 | frewsxcv | what is the difference between squeeze and squeeze/updates |
| 18:34.18 | jelly-home | DammitJim: today's build of what? |
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| 18:34.47 | udevnewbie | I have written a udev rule to do something whenever I open or close the CD drive |
| 18:34.51 | udevnewbie | I used action=change, unfortunately the action when I open the drive is delayed until I close it again. However, udevadm monitor shows the action immediately when I press the eject button. What's the reason fr this behaviour? |
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| 18:35.07 | cityLights | hi all , I need help with start-stop-service |
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| 18:35.52 | iiiii | cityLights - elaborate |
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| 18:36.34 | cityLights | I wrote a program that runs and I want to leave it on as a service |
| 18:37.08 | iiiii | have you heard of update-rc.d |
| 18:37.19 | iiiii | that is the facility you want to use |
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| 18:38.43 | homekevin | cityLights: You should find a skeleton init script in /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 18:39.18 | magizian | I was wondering if I could have someone test my latest app.. it connects securely to the WinDoze Magizia HyperTurbo OS Zx86/64 Public Access Beta Server.. it's much faster and more secure than windows, mac, or linux and run their software, even remotely. |
| 18:39.18 | magizian | You can also connect to my Secure trilevel encrypted chat network or secure file transfer service. |
| 18:39.18 | magizian | http://magizian.hopto.org has more info and video/screenshots. It also does text file encryption. |
| 18:40.12 | cityLights | but when I run this start-stop-daemon --start --exec PROGRAM it doesnt exit |
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| 18:40.53 | nsadmin | cityLights, write a script that's like /etc/init.d/skeleton named for your service and which starts and stops it |
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| 18:41.05 | cityLights | doesnt the start-stop-deam suppose to run the program in the background? |
| 18:41.26 | cityLights | nsadmin: thanks |
| 18:41.27 | nsadmin | that's optional |
| 18:41.43 | nsadmin | man start-stop-daemon |
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| 18:42.41 | cityLights | this is my script: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1227491 |
| 18:42.44 | nsadmin | you should also read the README there, and read the skeleton |
| 18:42.59 | frewsxcv | what is the difference between squeeze and squeeze/updates |
| 18:43.09 | cityLights | is something wrong? |
| 18:43.14 | nsadmin | one has updatres |
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| 18:43.47 | nsadmin | "/updates" |
| 18:44.26 | nsadmin | maybe you want to provide more information :) |
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| 18:45.51 | Iridos | nsadmin, well done... spotted it in one :) |
| 18:46.22 | nsadmin | cityLights, you tell us... what behavior do you expect and what do you get instead? |
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| 18:46.54 | nsadmin | Iridos: what it did you spot? |
| 18:47.20 | Iridos | nsadmin, you... spotted... the difference between squeeze and squeeze/updates... immediately |
| 18:47.54 | blizzow2 | I keep getting these weird alerts saying I only have 1GB of filespace remaining on my root filesystem. df -h shows 24GB remaining on / . grrr. |
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| 18:48.13 | cahoot | df -i ? |
| 18:48.14 | somiaj | frewsxcv: squeeze is a frzoen stable as such the versions of packages are not changed with mainly bug fixes and secuirty fixes to the versions in squeeze. So squeeze + updates is just any of those security updates/bug updates that have been fixed in squeeze and they are repackaged as squeeze every so often so you can install with the bugfixed/securer version of stable |
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| 18:48.32 | Iridos | blizzow2, if it's ext[23..], 5% are reserved for root |
| 18:48.35 | nsadmin | well he's not providing enough context and probably not asking the question he really wants answered |
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| 18:49.44 | blizzow2 | Iridos: reiser. |
| 18:49.46 | DammitJim | guys, why do I keep getting this debootstrap error? |
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| 18:50.30 | nsadmin | DammitJim, which one? |
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| 18:51.59 | DammitJim | Failed getting release signature file, nsadmin |
| 18:52.38 | Iridos | blizzow2, perhaps it's just broken... did you fsck it? |
| 18:52.49 | nsadmin | seems like a misconfiguration? |
| 18:53.03 | wols | DammitJim: is there such a file at this place? |
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| 18:53.05 | DammitJim | I"m installing wheezy |
| 18:53.10 | DammitJim | from iso |
| 18:53.14 | DammitJim | in virtualbox |
| 18:53.32 | homekevin | DammitJim: A netinst? |
| 18:53.41 | homekevin | The repos might be out of sync. |
| 18:53.45 | wols | and why would you want to use debootrstrap to do that? rube goldberg much? |
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| 18:54.25 | DammitJim | yes, netinst |
| 18:54.30 | DammitJim | dammit... how do I get this install then? |
| 18:54.46 | wols | you let virtualbox mount the iso file, boot from it and you're done |
| 18:55.01 | nsadmin | if you write the netinst image onto a cd blank, can you boot it? |
| 18:55.08 | blizzow2 | Iridos: maybe it is. I guess I'll reboot some time soon and fsck. |
| 18:55.09 | homekevin | DammitJim: I've often had signature problems over the last few weeks. Nothing much to do but wait for it to be fixed, as far as I know. |
| 18:55.15 | DammitJim | wols, that's what I normally do... but today it's doing this |
| 18:55.21 | DammitJim | ugh |
| 18:55.38 | drs | I'm pretty new to debian but couldn't find answers to a few questions in the release notes.. |
| 18:55.38 | wols | DammitJim: you don't answer why you involve debootstrap |
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| 18:55.55 | DammitJim | wols, I'm using netinst |
| 18:56.01 | drs | 1. What version of the Linux Kernel comes with Debian 6.01? |
| 18:56.06 | DammitJim | I don't control the installation to tell it to use debootstrap |
| 18:56.10 | DammitJim | it just goes through that |
| 18:56.14 | wols | DammitJim: that is no proper answer. there is simply no reason to use netinst |
| 18:56.16 | DammitJim | 2.6.32-5, drs |
| 18:56.29 | DammitJim | wols, what? what is netinst there for? |
| 18:56.30 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 18:56.40 | drs | DammitJim, nothing using .37 ? |
| 18:56.56 | nsadmin | wols, no reason to use netinst? |
| 18:56.56 | wols | drs: there is a 2.6.38 backports kernel you can install |
| 18:56.58 | homekevin | drs: Don't use Stable if you want new stuff |
| 18:57.00 | DammitJim | wheezy does, drs |
| 18:57.09 | DammitJim | or I think it went up to 2.6.38, actually |
| 18:57.16 | wols | nsadmin: no reason to involve debootstrap if you boot frm a netinst iso. |
| 18:57.39 | wols | debootstrap is there when you can't boot from an install medium but have another linux nearby |
| 18:57.44 | DammitJim | holy crap... I'm so lost... what the heck are you guys talking about? All I'm doing is trying to install Debian from an iso |
| 18:57.52 | wols | but vbox is fine using a simple ISO file (like netinst) |
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| 18:58.20 | wols | DammitJim: you talk about deboostrap. and: I asked about the release file already. still no answer |
| 18:58.33 | homekevin | wols: But if you boot the iso, you go to the installer, which installs over the net. Right? Are we on the same page? |
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| 18:58.49 | DammitJim | wols, I'm doing it directly from the iso file |
| 18:59.02 | DammitJim | I guess you want me to uncompress the package and check if the file is there? |
| 18:59.07 | wols | homekevin: no it doesn't. netinst is a FULL debian, if a very sparse one. you _can_ install more over the net but it's not necessary |
| 18:59.28 | wols | DammitJim: why uncompress anything? it's a file on the cd/iso |
| 18:59.35 | homekevin | wols: OK. It sounds to me like DammitJim is installing more stuff from the net, though. |
| 18:59.56 | wols | DammitJim: how far do you get in your installation? |
| 19:00.00 | DammitJim | wols... all I got is debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:00.10 | DammitJim | this is right after I have partitioned my hard drive |
| 19:00.14 | homekevin | wols: Although, I'm still not sure if that explains using debootstrap. Is that part of the installer? I only use it to make chroots. |
| 19:00.43 | wols | DammitJim: check for the release.gpg file |
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| 19:00.56 | DammitJim | all I know is that netinst somehow uses debootstrap 'cause it's giving me that error |
| 19:01.08 | nsadmin | homekevin, under normal circumstances yes, if the net connection is working early in the install, everything (including most of the installer itself) is pulled from the net... but if the net is left unconfigured, the installer and the base are pulled from the cd |
| 19:01.11 | wols | homekevin: never seen debootstrap either in any installation via ISO |
| 19:01.30 | DammitJim | wols, let me learn something new... the file *.iso that I have... how do I file the gpg file inside of it? |
| 19:01.37 | wols | nsadmin: the installer is never pulled from the net, neither is the base packages |
| 19:02.05 | nsadmin | have you ever run the installer?! |
| 19:02.06 | wols | the only stuff pulled frm the internet is basically whatever you select in tasksel. the businesscard installs the base system via network yes. netinst doesn't |
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| 19:02.59 | DammitJim | wols, I'm pretty sure this thing was pulling stuff from the net right after the nic got configured to get an IP address via DHCP |
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| 19:03.12 | wols | nsadmin: it makes no sense whatsoever to install the base system via internet when you have a netinst. considering how debian.org wants to save traffic, they certainly won't. you already have all the files on cd, why pulling them over the net |
| 19:03.12 | DammitJim | anyways... what is the consensus.. is this iso broken or am I broken? |
| 19:03.16 | jelly-home | DammitJim: the safest method of installing testing is using and installing debian stable, base system, then upgrading |
| 19:03.19 | DammitJim | I've downloaded the different isos for today 3 times |
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| 19:03.32 | jelly-home | DammitJim: daily installer images may be broken |
| 19:03.35 | wols | DammitJim: probably broken iso where release.gpg is missing |
| 19:03.42 | DammitJim | that's all I'm asking |
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| 19:03.51 | homekevin | DammitJim: I can't be sure, but I think it's not the installer that's producing your problem. |
| 19:03.54 | DammitJim | should I file a bug? is there a place to check this stuff out? |
| 19:03.57 | jelly-home | DammitJim: should we ask why are you installing testing? |
| 19:04.16 | wols | jelly-home: maybe for testing it? *g* after all he installs it in a VM |
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| 19:04.46 | homekevin | I run testing. Seems a reasonably valid thing to do. |
| 19:04.52 | DammitJim | jelly-home, because I am testing some of the packages that are available only on testing (i.e. XBMC, etc) |
| 19:05.12 | moele | so would some like to explain to me the validity of rsync backups |
| 19:05.16 | moele | do they work well |
| 19:05.24 | moele | and provide decent redundancy? |
| 19:05.24 | DammitJim | jelly-home, I'm not trying to like give super feedback... jsut trying to use the later kernels |
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| 19:05.51 | wols | DammitJim: kernels you can try via backports. it's the same kernel as in testing. xbmc and such of course you need to use testing |
| 19:06.30 | cityLights | nsadim: back,sorry I expected to get back to the shell |
| 19:06.31 | jhutchins | moele: rsync is just a method of copying. Copying your files to a different medium is a backup. |
| 19:06.41 | DammitJim | wols, got a good tutorial on backports? I should read up on them |
| 19:06.50 | wols | moele: rsync is a fancy "cp" command. a backup program can use, kinda like apt uses dpkg |
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| 19:07.02 | wols | DammitJim: backport.org "instructions" link |
| 19:07.18 | jhutchins | moele: What you copy to where, how often, and what you do with the copies is what determines how "good" the backup is. |
| 19:07.42 | Bushmills | moele: redundancy of what? |
| 19:07.45 | wols | DammitJim: backports.org |
| 19:07.57 | Bushmills | your storage subsystem should provide that |
| 19:08.01 | DammitJim | so, am I left to just waiting for this release key to get fixed |
| 19:08.04 | DammitJim | or am I doing something wrong? |
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| 19:08.28 | wols | DammitJim: as jelly-home told you, get a stable netinst and upgrade the install to testing |
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| 19:08.39 | nsadmin | DammitJim, try installing stable (just base) and upgrade |
| 19:08.42 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Last I knew the keys were all fixed. Did they break again recently? |
| 19:08.55 | jelly-home | ,versions xbmc |
| 19:08.55 | DammitJim | jhutchins, I'm getting |
| 19:08.56 | judd | Package xbmc on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 10.0-0.5; sid-multimedia: 10.1-0.4; wheezy-multimedia: 10.1-0.4 |
| 19:09.06 | DammitJim | during the Install the base system piece: |
| 19:09.22 | DammitJim | Failed getting Release signature file file:///cdrom/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg. |
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| 19:09.46 | moele | jhutchins, maybe so but rsync is very sophisticated you are correct by calling it a gloried CP however it does much more, such as on the fly compression, and incremental / differential and full backup methods, and I believe incremental is done by default |
| 19:09.47 | freegh | hello guys my debian machine wend out of ram. but now it has ram memory free again. but it still continues using swap is there a way i can force the swap data to go to the ram memory? |
| 19:09.48 | DammitJim | judd, I have squeeze, but I want XBMC 10.1 that can be installed from the multimedia repo on wheezy |
| 19:09.52 | jhutchins | DammitJim: When are you expecting them to fix the key on your CD? |
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| 19:10.03 | jelly-home | DammitJim: judd is just a bot |
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| 19:10.16 | moele | jhutchins, im just wondering, I guess I'll google it |
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| 19:10.20 | moele | jhutchins, and learn more |
| 19:10.20 | wols | moele: it's still only a copy command. a fancy one but nothing more than "cp". a backup is something else as you've been told |
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| 19:10.28 | DammitJim | sorry judd jhutchins LOL |
| 19:10.36 | Bushmills | freegh: if you really need to, swapoff ... swapon |
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| 19:10.40 | DammitJim | jhutchins, I have no CD... this is from an iso in vbox |
| 19:10.47 | jhutchins | moele: Not as such, you can use certain features of it to create incremental backups, but that's more like rdiff-backup |
| 19:10.51 | Bushmills | but swapped out stuff doesn't hurt |
| 19:10.51 | moele | wols, a backup is a copy, so on a rudimentary level it is one and the same |
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| 19:11.02 | moele | jhutchins, fair enuf :0 |
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| 19:11.28 | jhutchins | moele: It doesn't do backup levels like dump does. |
| 19:11.28 | homekevin | So, that Magizian guy who popped in a little while ago asking us to try his "WinDoze HyperMegaSuper OS that's more secure that Widows, Mac or Linux"? |
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| 19:11.55 | homekevin | Apparently he's been posting messages like that on forums all over the place. Here's one responder's take: http://reboot.pro/13485/page__p__118062#entry118062 |
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| 19:12.18 | cityLights | so how can I fork a program as a service? |
| 19:12.28 | cityLights | isnt that what start-stop-deamon ment to do? |
| 19:12.49 | Bushmills | moele: there are backup facilities, using rsync or the lib providing the algorithms or rsync. for example, duplicity. those can do incremental backups, what rsync alone can't |
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| 19:12.57 | nsadmin | homekevin, so you want us to read that? if so why? |
| 19:13.05 | jhutchins | cityLights: No, start-stop-daemon is meant to start and stop daemons. |
| 19:13.11 | jelly-home | homekevin: if you want to comment on users -> #debian-offtopic, keep this channel for discussion of Debian tech. issues |
| 19:13.30 | homekevin | nsadmin: Only if you want to. I just thought the guy sounded shady, and was curious. |
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| 19:13.38 | jhutchins | cityLights: see /etc/init.d/skeleton for possible methods. |
| 19:13.48 | jhutchins | cityLights: Not all programs support that kind of use. |
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| 19:15.17 | binbrain | I'm a bit confused, what puts the md5sum on the package info? |
| 19:15.30 | cityLights | guess I need to see how to write my deamon |
| 19:15.33 | nsadmin | what purpose would satisfying that curiousity serve? it's possible those links are to malware |
| 19:15.40 | binbrain | so aptitude -v show <pkg> should have the md5sum in it |
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| 19:18.33 | moele | Bushmills, I see, as I see it, rsync is great for a cheap, backup method, however within a corporate infrastructure I might want to research something with a little more flexibility, and control that provides additional layers of security and redundancy.. however can you have rsync do things like skip files which need not be backed up, or files that should be backed up, like HL and SLs? |
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| 19:18.35 | wols | binbrain: not really sure but I guess that's created when you create the repository |
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| 19:19.00 | Bushmills | moele: not everybody calls a copy a "backup" |
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| 19:19.12 | moele | Bushmills, that is also true |
| 19:19.20 | binbrain | wols: its weird, on a fresh install before any update I noticed that the m5sum's are missing on all packages |
| 19:19.41 | amigrave | I need the package linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 that was in testing a while ago but that has not installable candidate anymore. Where can I download it ? |
| 19:19.49 | Bushmills | moele: what you want are incremental backups. i.e. preserving previous versions. |
| 19:20.07 | Bushmills | and the mentioned duplicity, using rsync libs, can do that. |
| 19:20.11 | moele | Bushmills, in depends on cases |
| 19:20.18 | moele | Bushmills, id likely be switching from full to inc |
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| 19:20.23 | moele | Bush, doing weekly fulls and daily incs |
| 19:20.31 | moele | Bush, or even monthly fulls and daily incs |
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| 19:20.47 | moele | but id like to provide a layer of security by automatically backing up files after modification |
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| 19:21.01 | moele | which can be setup by VI alone |
| 19:21.09 | moele | but only for config files not executables and such |
| 19:21.14 | moele | or recompiled binaries |
| 19:21.27 | moele | anyways, I need to think more about what I hope to accomplish |
| 19:21.30 | moele | before actually implementing anything |
| 19:21.31 | Bushmills | security as in redundancy you probably want to delegate to storage subsystem |
| 19:21.46 | moele | Bushmills, I have a NAS we use for redundant backups |
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| 19:22.01 | moele | with rotating drives, on a raid mirror |
| 19:23.48 | Bushmills | ah, ok. several routes could be chosen: automatic snapshotting through file system, periodic copying of modifications, or event-driven copying of modificationds |
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| 19:25.08 | Bushmills | event driven through something hooking in linux's inotify facility, or something like lsyncd, or a log structured file system. |
| 19:25.10 | Raccoon1400 | debian testing installation freezes at the point where it detects network hardware. Help? |
| 19:25.21 | Raccoon1400 | I tried removing my wireless card but it made no difference |
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| 19:27.41 | dutchfish | Raccoon1400, can you boot to a console? |
| 19:27.41 | Bushmills | actually, lsyncd hooks into inotify |
| 19:28.05 | Raccoon1400 | dutchfish: lets try |
| 19:29.11 | Raccoon1400 | dutchfish: how? all I see is installation options |
| 19:29.20 | Raccoon1400 | nothing says boot to terminal |
| 19:29.39 | Raccoon1400 | got to a prompt |
| 19:29.41 | dutchfish | Raccoon1400, ah, you are trying to install it from an install cd atm? |
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| 19:29.44 | superlinux | hi all |
| 19:29.52 | Raccoon1400 | dutchfish: yes |
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| 19:30.16 | dutchfish | Raccoon1400, you better use stable install, install a base system, then dist-upgrade that to wheezy. |
| 19:30.28 | wols | Raccoon1400: use stable to install and upgrade the isntallation to testing if you really have to run testing |
| 19:30.30 | Raccoon1400 | how? |
| 19:30.44 | Raccoon1400 | nvm |
| 19:30.48 | wols | !tell Raccoon1400 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:30.55 | Raccoon1400 | rright, the stable edition |
| 19:30.57 | Raccoon1400 | I knew thta |
| 19:31.21 | nsadmin | so, do you have to run testing? |
| 19:31.21 | superlinux | I have a sony cyber-shot camera. I can list the folders but not the files. I get permissions denied. it's connected over USB. and I see it as a disk. so how can I make it READ/WRITE? |
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| 19:32.14 | nsadmin | superlinux, what are the permissions on the folders |
| 19:32.19 | wols | superlinux: can you copy the images when you are root? |
| 19:32.20 | Raccoon1400 | nsadmin: I'm currently using arch, and stable's release cycle is slow, so I thought id try testing |
| 19:32.50 | superlinux | wols, YES! I can copy as root. thanks for reminding me to say it. |
| 19:33.06 | superlinux | I have full access as root |
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| 19:33.27 | jimjim | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQTInp0tSmM |
| 19:33.34 | jimjim | sorry wrong channel |
| 19:33.38 | dutchfish | Raccoon1400, newer is not always better, testing is curently in a state of flux, and still has a miriad of bugs, you are basically on your own. |
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| 19:34.50 | dankobum | I have a problem with my bluetoothmouse Logitech V470. After some time the mouse buttoms do not work any more. Moving is still possible. I heard in another channel that I am not alone with this problem but could not find a bug report about that. Does anyone know more about this problem? |
| 19:35.06 | superlinux | wols, what should be done. I have to remind you that my mom uses the camera too. she is not that techie. |
| 19:35.07 | milesforrest | I have a debian box running a web server. the server stopped serving pages, so I ssh'ed in and saw all the processes sleeping. rebooted and now it works. is having all the service sleep a cause for concern? |
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| 19:35.39 | Raccoon1400 | guess I'll try stable then. My arch install is all messed up, internet is very slow and I have no idea why |
| 19:36.13 | wols | superlinux: you need to mount the FAT filesysten in the camera with appropriate permissions |
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| 19:36.34 | test123 | !paste |
| 19:36.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:37.05 | superlinux | wols, true ! I know that. but I donno udev, bro. so I need someone help me fix the udev rules cos I don't understand them |
| 19:37.24 | wols | milesforrest: "sleeping" means the process has nothing to do. if no one requests pages, the webserver isn't just using up CPU cycles to appear working... |
| 19:37.37 | test123 | hi, i have a problem assembling raid0 devices. some are working as expected after mainboard change, some are not working. |
| 19:37.39 | wols | superlinux: udev doesn't mount filesystems |
| 19:37.55 | test123 | here is a paste of mdstat and mdadm --assemble http://pastie.org/1912383 |
| 19:38.10 | milesforrest | wols: so nothing to be concerned about then? |
| 19:38.22 | superlinux | wols, so what sets the permissions when udev catches a device? |
| 19:38.49 | test123 | anyone can help me with my raid problem? |
| 19:39.05 | wols | superlinux: nothing. permissions are set when the fat volume is mounted by whatever you use ti mount it. |
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| 19:39.25 | wols | milesforrest: not the fact that they're sleeping. why they didn't serve any pages I can't say |
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| 19:39.44 | milesforrest | wols: great. thanks :) I'll keep digging. |
| 19:40.04 | wols | milesforrest: dig in your automounter first, that's whats causing it |
| 19:40.22 | wols | if you use an automounter, which from what you said so far, you probably do |
| 19:40.53 | test123 | so.... anyone can help me with my RAID problem? |
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| 19:44.04 | superlinux | wols, i am talking about removable devices, they popup with already set permissions. so I donno what sets it |
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| 19:44.53 | C-boys | I need to clone a hard disk with dd . I want to do it from the boot disk. I need to know for sure which is the hard disk I am copying FROM and which I am copying TO |
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| 19:45.00 | C-boys | I have never done this before, but it is very important |
| 19:45.09 | C-boys | how can I know for sure which HDD is 1 and which is 2 ? |
| 19:45.11 | jelly-home | test123: try asking in the mdadm channel -- #linux-raid |
| 19:45.29 | dvs | C-boys: fdisk -l will list all the hard drives in the system |
| 19:45.30 | wols | superlinux: no they don't. something has to mount them. that'S the automounter, e.g. gnome-volume-manager |
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| 19:45.51 | superlinux | ah ok! that's what I am looking for |
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| 19:46.16 | petemc | C-boys: why do you need to do it with dd? |
| 19:46.22 | wols | C-boys: mount the partition read only first. then you can look if it's the right one and afterwards dd its content |
| 19:46.26 | C-boys | petemc: Do you know of other betters ways? |
| 19:46.31 | skamikaze | C-boys: cp -a |
| 19:46.33 | petemc | partimage |
| 19:46.51 | C-boys | I have 2 identical sata 1TB disks in my desktop compyter. 1 is filled with data and one isn't and has never been formatted. I like to clone the contents of disk 1 to disk 2 |
| 19:46.57 | C-boys | petemc: can partimage do this? from bootcd? |
| 19:47.05 | petemc | yes |
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| 19:47.13 | C-boys | petemc: The disk is full disk encrypted |
| 19:47.24 | petemc | oh |
| 19:47.33 | dvs | that's a bit late to mention that. |
| 19:47.35 | test123 | jelly-home: thanks |
| 19:47.43 | C-boys | yea i'm sorry guys :( |
| 19:48.24 | wols | C-boys: it's not encrypted via drive firmware or such? it's a linux program like LUKS or such? |
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| 19:48.44 | C-boys | wols: truecrypt full disk encryption (the whole hdd) |
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| 19:49.05 | jelly-home | C-boys: so, software, and you probably can just dd the whole device over |
| 19:49.16 | C-boys | Probably yes |
| 19:49.25 | C-boys | But I need to be 10000000000% sure I am cloning the correct drive |
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| 19:49.31 | jelly-home | hah |
| 19:49.32 | C-boys | Not the empty to the full one |
| 19:49.36 | wols | C-boys: as I said: mount it read only |
| 19:49.45 | C-boys | wols: how can I do this?> |
| 19:49.52 | wols | with "mount" |
| 19:49.56 | juso | Using "terminal" sometimes my shell dies, and I cant seem to get my local prompt back, how do i do this in same tab? Anyone know? |
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| 19:50.12 | C-boys | wols: how do I know which one to mount? |
| 19:50.14 | wols | juso: dies how? |
| 19:50.21 | C-boys | wols: i mean, how can i find it? |
| 19:50.46 | C-boys | Well, I cannot mount this disk |
| 19:50.48 | skamikaze | C-boys: sudo blkid or by fdisk -l |
| 19:50.52 | C-boys | Because I need to unlock it |
| 19:51.00 | juso | wols: on a remote ssh session, i cant type or do anything, prob a timeout, i just wanna exit out to my local prompt, i dunno how |
| 19:51.04 | C-boys | Without truecrypt or course I cannot mount it |
| 19:51.08 | juso | in the same tab, not open another |
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| 19:51.46 | Bushmills | juso: network dis/reconnect? |
| 19:51.48 | wols | juso: check if your ssh client has a hotkey to exit it |
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| 19:52.24 | wols | C-boys: what's on your destinaiton hdd? if there is nothing at all, it's very easy to spot the encrypted one vs. the clean one |
| 19:52.29 | Bushmills | juso: run screen or tmux remotely, to re-enter your session |
| 19:52.37 | C-boys | wols: the destination one is brand new - so nothing |
| 19:52.50 | C-boys | wols: but the old one- is not visible |
| 19:52.57 | C-boys | because it is full disk encrypted |
| 19:53.03 | juso | so there is no way? i dont see an exit, besides close my terminal here |
| 19:53.08 | dvs | C-boys: fdisk -l should be able to tell |
| 19:53.08 | wols | C-boys: it is visible to the kernel. it has to be |
| 19:53.30 | C-boys | how long would this take on 1tb? like 3 hours? |
| 19:53.38 | C-boys | it are brand new sata disk, the system has 6gb ram and i7 |
| 19:53.39 | wols | juso: "killall ssh" |
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| 19:53.51 | cityLights | I looked at /etc/init.d/sekeleton as advice, but see no answer |
| 19:54.04 | wols | C-boys: it has nothing to do with how fast your PC is but only how fast your disk(s) can stream |
| 19:54.14 | juso | wols: yeah was thinking of any other way besides killing ssh lol |
| 19:54.52 | wols | cityLights: answer to what? |
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| 19:56.02 | cityLights | I was told to read the skeleton to make my deamon fork to backgournd |
| 19:56.23 | cityLights | s/backgournd/background/ |
| 19:56.42 | wols | cityLights: no you weren't |
| 19:57.06 | nsadmin | I told him to read that so he can see how to make such a script |
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| 19:57.33 | cityLights | right |
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| 19:57.58 | nsadmin | I also told him to read man start-stop-daemon, and the README in /etc/init.d |
| 19:58.28 | cityLights | ok, tie for that advice now |
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| 19:58.48 | nsadmin | cityLights, you can make your daemon put itself int the background too, tht's another option |
| 19:59.28 | cityLights | na, i am looking for the start-stop-deamon to fork it |
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| 20:00.51 | berserkr | asd |
| 20:00.55 | berserkr | ups |
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| 20:01.44 | nsadmin | cityLights, then check man start-stop-daemon |
| 20:01.51 | rhenani | How do I know what version of debian I have and How much space has my Hard Disk and How Much space is Used. Thanks |
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| 20:02.17 | nsadmin | ! versions |
| 20:02.29 | nsadmin | , versions |
| 20:02.30 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <squeeze>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
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| 20:02.47 | ZykoticK9 | rhenani, find version with "lsb_release -a" and disk space free/used with "df -h" |
| 20:03.06 | nsadmin | ! version |
| 20:03.06 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 20:03.43 | cityLights | --background !! |
| 20:04.03 | nsadmin | whaddyaknow... |
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| 20:04.15 | rhenani | ZykoticK9: Thanks |
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| 20:05.18 | arghh2d2 | I'm trying to install oss4 following this howto: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52919 but i can't find oss4-source, I've checked /etc/sources.list and apt-get update'd ... could this be because I'm running debian on PPC? |
| 20:05.36 | jelly-home | ,versions oss4-source --arch powerpc |
| 20:05.36 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'oss4-source' was found in powerpc. |
| 20:05.40 | jelly-home | ,versions oss4-source |
| 20:05.41 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'oss4-source' was found in i386. |
| 20:06.03 | jelly-home | ,versions oss4-dkms --arch powerpc |
| 20:06.03 | judd | Package oss4-dkms on powerpc -- squeeze: 4.2-build2003-1; sid: 4.2-build2003-1.1; wheezy: 4.2-build2003-1.1 |
| 20:06.07 | jelly-home | arghh2d2: that. |
| 20:06.24 | arghh2d2 | jelly-home: k, checkin it |
| 20:06.27 | jelly-home | howto outdated, urgh |
| 20:06.38 | jelly-home | no speak well |
| 20:07.00 | rhenani | ZykoticK9: and the information about the ram, because I have virtual machines, So i Would like to know how much memory does my phisical have?? |
| 20:07.07 | arghh2d2 | too bad it's not a wiki |
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| 20:07.26 | ZykoticK9 | rhenani, for RAM use "free" |
| 20:08.00 | arghh2d2 | yeah this howto isn't helping me at all |
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| 20:09.09 | arghh2d2 | module-assistant auto-install oss4 gives me oss4, what is oss4? |
| 20:09.31 | wols | arghh2d2: apt-cache show oss4? |
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| 20:10.32 | ZykoticK9 | arghh2d2, you may need to use "apt-cache show oss4-base" |
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| 20:10.38 | arghh2d2 | wols: i'm just trying to follow the howto |
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| 20:11.42 | wols | arghh2d2: the howto is clearly outdated. did you run the command? |
| 20:11.43 | arghh2d2 | ZykoticK9: it fails |
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| 20:12.03 | wols | arghh2d2: apt-cache search oss4 is a better one |
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| 20:12.19 | arghh2d2 | wols: finds nothing |
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| 20:12.29 | arghh2d2 | errrrr |
| 20:12.32 | arghh2d2 | hangon |
| 20:12.34 | wols | apt-cache search will find something |
| 20:12.35 | ZykoticK9 | arghh2d2, oh sorry PPC probably. If you don't know what OSS is, why are you installing it? |
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| 20:13.00 | arghh2d2 | oh boy |
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| 20:13.20 | wols | ZykoticK9: OSS4 runs on PPC |
| 20:13.32 | ZykoticK9 | wols, ahh thanks. |
| 20:13.35 | arghh2d2 | that wasn't me...... that was the result of "module-assistan auto-install oss4" |
| 20:13.46 | wols | the queastion is, if there are drivers for the soundchips his mac or whatever, exist |
| 20:13.56 | jelly-home | arghh2d2: forget m-a, just install the -dkms package |
| 20:14.07 | wols | arghh2d2: oss4 for S390 is funny as well |
| 20:14.28 | arghh2d2 | jelly-home: when i installed the dkms it gave the "failed to start cuz of no module" error |
| 20:14.46 | arghh2d2 | wols: s390? |
| 20:14.46 | jelly-home | arghh2d2: pastebin the actual output, please |
| 20:14.52 | arghh2d2 | jelly-home: k |
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| 20:15.08 | nsadmin | wols, yeah, where in the room do you have to be to hear the sound over the cooling and power? |
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| 20:15.20 | jelly-home | arghh2d2: also, verify you have linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed |
| 20:15.43 | wols | nsadmin: I'd simply like to know the parts number of a soundcard for a S390 :) |
| 20:16.16 | wols | jelly-home: shouldn't a dkms package install all the needed dependencies for compilation? e.g. b-e headers, kbuild, and all the rest? |
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| 20:16.39 | jelly-home | that's the theory |
| 20:17.54 | arghh2d2 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/2061788 |
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| 20:18.51 | jelly-home | and did you take look at the build log as the package suggests |
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| 20:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | iirc ppc's have standard pci buses. |
| 20:20.03 | nsadmin | some do |
| 20:20.23 | wols | old world macs vs. new world |
| 20:20.23 | arghh2d2 | jelly-home: it just gives me the date |
| 20:20.27 | jhutchins_lt | Well, obviously not the coal fired ones. |
| 20:20.38 | brisingr | hello, what is the main difference between a 'recursive' partition (iso-hybrid) and a normal one? fdisk seems funky with them on usb's |
| 20:20.40 | arghh2d2 | this is a new-world g3 mac mini |
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| 20:21.07 | nsadmin | never heard of a recursive partition |
| 20:21.26 | arghh2d2 | jelly-home: less /var/lib/dkms/oss4/4.2-build2003/build/make.log |
| 20:21.26 | arghh2d2 | DKMS make.log for oss4-4.2-build2003 for kernel 2.6.32-5-powerpc (ppc) |
| 20:21.27 | arghh2d2 | Mon May 16 16:00:36 EDT 2011 |
| 20:21.44 | brisingr | they're those which permit ripping to cd's as well as usb's |
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| 20:21.57 | brisingr | apparently google has (almost) nothing on them |
| 20:22.22 | jelly-home | arghh2d2: eh. I guess you'll have to file a bug or two |
| 20:22.38 | brisingr | apparently it's a known limitation |
| 20:22.44 | brisingr | I just want to understand the implementation |
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| 20:24.03 | brisingr | oh well |
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| 20:24.43 | brisingr | it's funny tho |
| 20:24.53 | brisingr | Using /dev/sdb |
| 20:25.03 | brisingr | command: d |
| 20:25.11 | brisingr | Partition number (1--1): 1 |
| 20:25.17 | brisingr | Error: partition doesn't exist |
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| 20:27.46 | gp2k | Hi everyone. What is the best way to rebuild the Debian linux kernel? I've found several conflicting guides/howtos online |
| 20:27.58 | gp2k | I just want to rebuild the stable kernel with a few changes to the .config file |
| 20:27.59 | Bushmills | !make-kpkg |
| 20:27.59 | dpkg | hmm... make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 20:28.32 | gp2k | i see, thanks |
| 20:28.33 | dvs | gp2k: Using what source code? |
| 20:28.53 | gp2k | dvs: ideally the same version of the linux source (with debian patches) that was shipped with the stable kernel |
| 20:29.11 | gp2k | basically, I just want to change some config parameters in the .config file, but keep it as close to stable otherwies |
| 20:29.15 | initself | i want use rsync in such a manner that between two machines, no matter who initiates the rsync, the machines stay in sync |
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| 20:29.43 | DammitJim | how do I verify that there isn't a problem with th Release.gpg in netinst? |
| 20:29.44 | juso | initself there other sync programs if you need both servers in sync |
| 20:29.46 | dvs | gp2k: Yeah, that's what I thought. make-kpkg is meant for source code directly from kernel.org |
| 20:30.01 | initself | juso: so rsync isn't meant for what I'm trying to do? |
| 20:30.10 | juso | for a live sync, not really. |
| 20:30.17 | gp2k | dvs: does debian have a lot of patches? |
| 20:30.18 | initself | what do you mean by live? |
| 20:30.25 | initself | this will be "every now and again sync" |
| 20:30.27 | dvs | gp2k: oh yes |
| 20:30.33 | initself | rsync -a |
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| 20:30.36 | juso | oh ok, every now and then.. just use --delete flag |
| 20:30.44 | initself | perfect, thanks |
| 20:30.51 | initself | i'm really scared to use that, tho |
| 20:30.54 | juso | look into the delete options |
| 20:30.57 | gp2k | dvs: i see. some other older distros I used had some package that would basically put the source code with patches in /usr/src |
| 20:31.04 | juso | run it with -n option, for dry run |
| 20:31.09 | initself | ok |
| 20:31.30 | dvs | gp2k: You probably want to build the linux-source package but I'm not sure what the exact command to do that is. |
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| 20:31.38 | juso | of if you dont care about extra files.. just rsync normally |
| 20:31.46 | initself | juso: can you explain the z option to me? |
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| 20:32.06 | gp2k | dvs: ok got it. thanks. Yeah, what I am trying to do is netboot debian stable. But it needs a few .config changes (e.g., including NFS support into the kernel) |
| 20:32.21 | gp2k | or, netboot with root over NFS from a read-only NFS server |
| 20:32.45 | juso | compressing? never used really - check it out see if its faster or not. |
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| 20:32.56 | initself | juso: the end result is the same, right? |
| 20:33.03 | dvs | gp2k: apt-get source linux-image-... will get the source but I'm not sure what to use to build it. |
| 20:33.10 | juso | yeah same end result. |
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| 20:33.37 | gp2k | OK thanks |
| 20:33.55 | initself | juso: do you also know if the -C option excludes .svn files? |
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| 20:34.00 | initself | -C, --cvs-exclude auto-ignore files in the same way CVS does |
| 20:34.15 | juso | never used -C i just use the --exclude |
| 20:34.33 | juso | try it |
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| 20:39.39 | cirwin | I have an intel 64bit computer, and I want to install debian via USB, is that possible? |
| 20:39.55 | dvs | cirwin: why yes it is! |
| 20:40.15 | riotstudios | bue |
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| 20:40.25 | cirwin | dvs: hmm, I could only find i386 or amd64 |
| 20:40.35 | dvs | cirwin: amd64 is the right version |
| 20:40.41 | dvs | !tell cirwin -about amd64 |
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| 20:41.02 | wam | Hi, I'm searching for some document about how providers should work with ipv6. I'm especially interested in hints on how to use the address space. They give me /64 for a single link. Does that mean something? Like: Ports are 16 bit, your local IP range is 64 bit large, change how you host things? I'm trying to figure out how I should approach IPv6 when delegating the address space to my virtual machines. |
| 20:41.23 | cirwin | dvs: ah, thanks! |
| 20:41.27 | dvs | np |
| 20:41.41 | wam | At least name based virtual hosting is a feature now, not a requirement for small ip space |
| 20:41.42 | cirwin | is there a reason to use the 32-bit debian on a 64-bit machine? |
| 20:42.06 | wam | cirwin: no. Except if you need converted 32 bit drivers from redhat or such ;) |
| 20:42.16 | cirwin | wam: kk, *fingers crossed* |
| 20:42.21 | gnarface | cirwin: only for better support. there are still less amd64 users out there so the distro has more bugs, generally |
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| 20:42.25 | dvs | cirwin: a few video programs work better on 32-bit systems but these are becoming very few |
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| 20:42.41 | frostschutz | wam: which host? |
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| 20:43.35 | wam | frostschutz: I have some servers in a data center |
| 20:43.44 | frostschutz | wam: hetzner? |
| 20:43.49 | wam | nah, my own ;) |
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| 20:44.01 | wam | althogh it's part of a larger one |
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| 20:44.12 | wam | so I get ipv6 configured on the lan ;) |
| 20:45.07 | wam | currently, I have a /56 ipv6 address range. |
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| 20:45.37 | wam | and I'm wondering how I should split it. It's just a test run right now. |
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| 20:46.52 | Lancelot | Does anyone know of a good FTP server for Debian. I'm running 6.0.1, and I can't settle on one from the repos |
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| 20:48.12 | flowbee | hi folks. having trouble installing the 'bc' package on debian 4.0. i am getting: E: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bc/bc_1.06-20_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.233.100 80] |
| 20:48.44 | dvs | flowbee: Debian 4.0 is probably archived |
| 20:49.04 | Lancelot | I would think so |
| 20:49.10 | flowbee | so packages arent supported anymore? |
| 20:49.16 | jhutchins_lt | Why do you want an FTP server? Are you building a honeypot? |
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| 20:49.30 | frostschutz | wam: depends on how many machines / vms you want to use with that one /56... if possible, you'd give each vm its own /64. but some hosts only give you a /64 to begin with so you have to use /80 for the vms |
| 20:49.40 | Lancelot | jhutchins: not sure what a honeypot is. I just need a machine to host files on my network |
| 20:49.50 | dvs | flowbee: You have to change your repo to archive.debian.org |
| 20:49.54 | jhutchins_lt | !tell flowbee about etch sources |
| 20:50.19 | flowbee | how long will packages be available for 4.0? |
| 20:50.28 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: If it's a LAN, use NFS or Samba. |
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| 20:50.37 | Lancelot | jhutchins_lt: why not use FTP? |
| 20:50.41 | dvs | !tell flowbee about etch sources.list |
| 20:50.49 | wam | frostschutz: I'd like to use /16 for the customers and /16 for their subnets in my current plan. That means, I have 88 bits reserved and so 40 bits per vm. Is that just dumb or does that sound right? |
| 20:50.51 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: A honepot is a system set up to be hacked to trap hackers. |
| 20:51.07 | Lancelot | ah, I really don't want that |
| 20:51.22 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: You don't want a public ftp server then. |
| 20:51.34 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: You can use scp for internet access. |
| 20:51.38 | Lancelot | I figured I could just block it from reaching the internet with my router |
| 20:51.46 | flowbee | how dangerous is it for me to continue running etch? |
| 20:51.47 | Lancelot | I don't want it on the net |
| 20:51.56 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: So it's a private server for the lan only? |
| 20:52.08 | Lancelot | yes |
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| 20:52.24 | dvs | flowbee: well, you already don't have support for it anymore. |
| 20:52.25 | flowbee | is there a way to upgrade via command line from etch => lenny? ? |
| 20:52.37 | flowbee | or do i need to go for a complete re-install |
| 20:52.39 | dvs | !tell flowbee about etch->lenny |
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| 20:53.02 | frostschutz | wam: it's not right, but if a /56 is all you have then what other options do you have... |
| 20:53.07 | flowbee | how much disk space will i need for the upgrade? |
| 20:53.09 | flowbee | i'm on a vps |
| 20:53.21 | dvs | that, I don't know |
| 20:53.35 | jhutchins_lt | I still find nfs or samba more convenient, but you can use any of the ftp server packages. I hear pro and sftpd are good. |
| 20:53.44 | flowbee | dvs, if i have 2 or 3GB free |
| 20:53.46 | flowbee | should that be enough? |
| 20:53.49 | jhutchins_lt | flowbee: Yes, you can do that. |
| 20:53.56 | jhutchins_lt | !etch->lenny |
| 20:53.58 | Lancelot | jhutchins_lt: I haven't really used samba before. Can I configure individual user access? |
| 20:54.05 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: Sure. |
| 20:54.11 | dvs | slaps dpkg |
| 20:54.13 | dym | Hey, im somewhat stuck in generating a jailed shell environment on my server. I have modified the ssh server to use libpam-chroot and installed a minimal system within the userspace using debootstrap. But everytime the unpriviledged user tries to login, following error appears in auth.log => fatal: "bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component "/"" |
| 20:54.20 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg etch->lenny? |
| 20:54.20 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 20:54.27 | wam | frostschutz: what I'm trying to understand is why /40 isn't enough for a single host. They don't need privacy extensions, so in what case will the /40 hit me or the customers? Routing should be done from the /56 router. So where's the bug? |
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| 20:55.00 | jhutchins_lt | flowbee: ^^ |
| 20:55.19 | flowbee | jhutchins, yeah i'm about to do that; just want to ensure i have enough disk space |
| 20:55.53 | jhutchins_lt | flowbee: Good luck! |
| 20:56.34 | wam | frostschutz: even /32 should be enough for a single host. They can do muchos ssl certs there ;) |
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| 20:56.53 | Lancelot | jhutchins_lt: okay then, thanks. I'll mess around with samba and see what I get |
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| 20:57.26 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: I recommend installing the docs package and using swat to set it up. It has context links to all of the settings. |
| 20:57.33 | frostschutz | wam: partly theory, partly autoconfig, anyhow http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-512#assignment_size 5.4.1 is why end users should be getting /64 and 5.4.2 is why they aren't getting it |
| 20:58.07 | Lancelot | jhutchins_lt: okay, I'll look for those |
| 20:59.15 | Lancelot | jhutchins_lt: the repos here say swat is unsupported |
| 20:59.16 | cirwin | so I tried cat debian.iso > /dev/disk/by-id/foo-part1, and when I insert it into my computer and try to boot off it, I get a flashing cursor and nothing else... |
| 20:59.29 | Lancelot | do you know of any active webuis? |
| 20:59.30 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 20:59.43 | Lancelot | SWAT is no longer actively maintained, and its default configuration is |
| 20:59.43 | Lancelot | not secure for use over an untrusted network. |
| 21:00.08 | project2501a | if dh-maker-perl can download a cpan module, would it no make sense to automate downloading all of cpan into a debian archive and building dpkgs daily? |
| 21:00.21 | project2501a | erh, packages, even. |
| 21:00.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions swat |
| 21:00.28 | judd | Package swat on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny13; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny14; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1; wheezy: 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1; experimental: 2:3.6.0~pre3-1 |
| 21:00.37 | dvs | cirwin: I thought you wanted a USB install? |
| 21:00.43 | cirwin | dvs: I did.. |
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| 21:01.02 | Lancelot | jhutchins_lt: the repo here has 2:3.5.6 |
| 21:01.04 | dvs | cirwin: That's not a USB device |
| 21:01.19 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: It's not maintained because it doesn't really need maintaining, and no, it's not secure, but ok for local net use. |
| 21:01.31 | cirwin | dvs: /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Verbatim_Store__n__Go_03c6554494524a-0:0-part1 |
| 21:01.34 | cirwin | is usb |
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| 21:01.43 | cirwin | I read somewhere that the CD images can be used as USB images too |
| 21:01.52 | cirwin | (though I read somehwere else that you need boot.img.gz) |
| 21:01.53 | dvs | cirwin: Whatever that like points to is what you want |
| 21:02.01 | cirwin | oh |
| 21:02.02 | Lancelot | jhutchins_lt: the network is attached to the internet, would it not be vulnerable? Is there a more secure method that you know of? |
| 21:02.03 | dvs | s/like/link |
| 21:02.08 | canthus13 | why is afpd installed on my server? I built this server from a minimal install, and definitely didn't install it myself. I did install nfs. |
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| 21:02.39 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: It should be firewalled, it's an odd port. |
| 21:02.48 | cirwin | dvs: /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 21:02.54 | dvs | cirwin: /dev/sdb |
| 21:02.55 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: The more secure method is to manually edit the configuration file. |
| 21:03.03 | Lancelot | to be honest I could just not have the webUI and set it up directly |
| 21:03.20 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: Which is quite do-able, just have the manual open in another window and search on the keyword. |
| 21:03.34 | Lancelot | k |
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| 21:05.07 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: I don't know how the "default package-managed configuration" works. |
| 21:05.18 | jhutchins_lt | Lancelot: it might be easier to use than swat. |
| 21:05.53 | Lancelot | I'm using a GTK UI called GADMIN |
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| 21:06.19 | wam | frostschutz: so you're recommending giving /64 to each single VM? Then I'd start with the first users and give them a /64 net until the /56 ends (after about 256 VMs) and then yell at my datacenter to get more addresses. Sounds reasonable, but is a more aggressive approach than I used with ipv4. |
| 21:07.21 | Lancelot | jhutchins_lt: So samba is tied into each user? I just want to share one directory |
| 21:07.59 | wam | frostschutz: what I'm still missing is a technical documentation why a /64 is required per host. Even with everything I can imagine, I'd never be able to use more than /24 on a single host (and even that requires a lot of imagination). |
| 21:09.07 | karlpinc | Lancelot: There's a "guest". Read the smb.conf. (or the samba faq at samba,org.) |
| 21:09.12 | Lancelot | k |
| 21:09.25 | frostschutz | wam: the problem is, if the datacenter itself has only a single subnet (because there is no procedure yet to ask for another one), if they have a lot of customers themselves they just won't give you any more and that's it :) |
| 21:09.52 | wam | frostschutz: they have at least one /48 right now. |
| 21:09.58 | wam | frostschutz: and that's the test run |
| 21:10.51 | Shadur | Argh. Okay, ever since this morning's update /dev/pts doesn't get properly mounted at boot time anymore. And the udev from initramfs bug is still in effect as well. |
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| 21:11.02 | frostschutz | wam: if there's a #ipv6 try asking there, I'm sure there are people with more experience around |
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| 21:11.30 | wam | frostschutz: alright, thanks a lot for your information. It really did help me. |
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| 21:12.20 | Raccoon1400 | how do I install the nvidia proprietary drivers? Or where can I find instructions? |
| 21:12.33 | Shadur | ... And neither is /dev/shm. |
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| 21:13.20 | foetus | sorry:) |
| 21:14.01 | nvz | are there w32codec packages for squeeze? |
| 21:14.12 | cirwin | wam: hmm, catting it to >/dev/sdb — when it boots, I just get taken back to the "choose which boot device you want" meny |
| 21:14.14 | cirwin | *menu |
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| 21:17.41 | eekboom | Err, I shut down apache2 (/etc/init.d/apache2 stop). |
| 21:17.49 | eekboom | Now every HTTP requests results in "Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE): The server closed the connection without sending any data.". |
| 21:17.58 | eekboom | Huh? Who sends an empty response? Why not Timeout or Connection Refused? |
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| 21:20.09 | ssaboum | hi everyone, i'm on Debian Squeeze trying to install Postgresql + Postgis, i figured how to add the backports and install postgresql 9.0 but now i'm not sure about postgis "for postgresql 9.0" there are two packages "postgis" and "postgresql-8.4-postgis" but both seems to be for postgresql 8.4, is there any debian package for Postgis 1.5.2 for Postgresql 9.0 ? |
| 21:20.25 | ssaboum | thank you for your time |
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| 21:22.04 | Corey | If I want to have apt require a proxy to talk to its repositories, how do I force that? I've added an /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00proxy file that contains merely the line: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://repository:3128"; but I'm told Extra junk after value as an error. |
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| 21:23.31 | LiENUS | eekboom, sounds like you have a transparent proxy running |
| 21:23.50 | karlpinc | ssaboum: I've wondered about this. What happens if you try to install postgresql-8.4-postgis? Are there hard requirerements or will it run on any pg >= 8.4? |
| 21:24.20 | ssaboum | karlpinc : (thx for helping :)) looks like Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3), libgeos-c1 (>= 3.2.0), libproj0, libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), postgis, postgresql-8.4 |
| 21:24.57 | karlpinc | ssaboum: Does 9.0 provide postgresql-8.4 perhaps? |
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| 21:25.19 | eekboom | LiENUS, hm, how can I check that (running on squeeze on a root server by hetzner)? |
| 21:25.51 | ssaboum | karlpinc: :-/ i think i'll try to see if it's installed (i guess i'll see quickly) i found that otherwise http://tech.xlab.si/2011/01/postgresql-9-0-postgis-and-friends-for-debian-squeeze/ but i'm not exactly "confident" |
| 21:25.57 | ssaboum | karlpinc: and this is for production lol |
| 21:26.12 | karlpinc | ssaboum: (You'd think there'd be a solution for this. There's a #debian-gis on oftc.net, want to take it there? |
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| 21:26.38 | ssaboum | karlpinc: ohh nice ! i didn't see ! sure ! |
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| 21:27.17 | karlpinc | ssaboum: It should be easy enough to get the source .deb and repackage with the right dependencies. It's not like an old postgis won't run on a new postgresql. |
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| 21:28.37 | ssaboum | karlpinc: yeah i'll ask the debian-gis chan |
| 21:28.44 | ssaboum | karlpinc: thank you |
| 21:28.51 | ssaboum | karlpinc: maybe i'll get back with the answer :) |
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| 21:31.39 | eekboom | Can somebody help with limits.conf? I have only remote, non-root access to the machine (and can do "su -" after login). |
| 21:31.40 | eekboom | How can I configure higher limits for root than for normal users? |
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| 21:33.30 | zorrolero | Corey: put the content of 00proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 21:34.25 | Raccoon1400 | I'm trying to get evolution working, but it doesnt seem to think its connected to the internet. The computer has internet, but network manager isn't being used |
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| 21:38.24 | jhutchins_lt | eekboom: man limits.conf |
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| 21:39.29 | eekboom | jhutchins_lt, rtfm is what I did. |
| 21:39.41 | eekboom | Probably I should state the problem better: |
| 21:39.50 | dym | Hey, im somewhat stuck in generating a jailed shell environment on my server. I have modified the ssh server to use libpam-chroot and installed a minimal system within the userspace using debootstrap. But everytime the unpriviledged user tries to login, following error appears in auth.log => fatal: "bad ownership or modes for chroot directory component "/"" |
| 21:40.29 | eekboom | If I "su" the limits are not re-evaluated. I read about enabled that, but still it seems it isn't possible to _up_ the limits. |
| 21:40.38 | jhutchins_lt | dym: The ownership or access modes for your chroot root are bad. |
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| 21:41.23 | dym | jhutchins_lt: figured as much. any idea in what way they'd need to be set? |
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| 21:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | dym: No, did you follow a guide to the "jailed shell"? |
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| 21:42.07 | Savis | would some one be so kind as to give me a breif run down on extended attributes for ACL? |
| 21:42.09 | dym | in various varieties :D |
| 21:42.15 | Savis | is there a list of flags and options out there? |
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| 21:43.32 | jhutchins_lt | Savis: "linux acl" brings up a bunch of good stuff on google. |
| 21:44.06 | cirwin | I'm trying to run the amd64 live cd installer |
| 21:44.13 | cirwin | it's asking for CD-ROM drivers.. |
| 21:44.20 | cirwin | but I'm running it on a USB stick |
| 21:44.23 | cirwin | so it shouldn't need them |
| 21:44.33 | jhutchins_lt | dym: I know there's been a big push to "linux containers" which are essentially a chroot for a given function. |
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| 21:44.48 | Savis | yea but none of them focus specificly on extended attributes and if there is a list of options out there for it. |
| 21:44.53 | jhutchins_lt | cirwin: How did you create the stick? |
| 21:45.00 | dym | jhutchins_lt: orly. can you link me up? |
| 21:45.16 | dym | jhutchins_lt: or would you have to seek yourself? |
| 21:45.17 | cirwin | jhutchins_lt: cat debian-live-6.0.1-amd64-standard.iso.1 > /dev/sdb |
| 21:45.18 | dym | then nvm |
| 21:45.22 | karlpinc | Savis: There's a link to an acl page on the debian wiki's permissions page. |
| 21:45.35 | jhutchins_lt | dym: Pretty much have to track it down myself, I haven't used much chroot stuff. |
| 21:45.45 | dym | jhutchins_lt: cheers. ill give it a whirl. |
| 21:46.18 | jhutchins_lt | cirwin: Hm, that should have worked. |
| 21:46.30 | dym | jhutchins_lt: eww - thats proper virtualization, right? |
| 21:46.38 | cirwin | jhutchins_lt: that's what I thought, too :p |
| 21:46.49 | jhutchins_lt | cirwin: No, not full virtualization, that actually runs an OS within an OS. |
| 21:46.59 | jhutchins_lt | cirwin: Did you check the install guide? |
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| 21:47.18 | cirwin | jhutchins_lt: yes, there were about 5 different pages though, so I got quite confused |
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| 21:47.38 | jhutchins_lt | cirwin: We used to use dd instead of cat, but I've heard that's the right way now. |
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| 21:47.53 | cirwin | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 says "cat" |
| 21:48.01 | dym | jhutchins_lt: cant adjust chunksize with cat :D |
| 21:48.05 | cirwin | the installer seems to work fine, but it is looking for a cd drive |
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| 21:48.27 | jhutchins_lt | cirwin: I used unetbootin for mine (the installer was wonky that week). |
| 21:48.36 | cirwin | unetbootin?? |
| 21:48.44 | cirwin | !tell cirwin about unetbootin |
| 21:48.53 | Datz | !noipv6 |
| 21:48.53 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 21:49.35 | Datz | now if I can only recall which file that is |
| 21:50.01 | eekboom | Would it be considered safe to allow ssh root login with public/private keys? Else I am still stuck on how to get higher limits when I "su". |
| 21:50.37 | Raccoon1400 | I just installed and the installer set up wireless. What program is managing it? |
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| 21:53.35 | Raccoon1400 | and how to I add the google search box to firefox? |
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| 21:54.30 | Raccoon1400 | wait, figured the search box out |
| 21:56.37 | asmogator | why the fuck my stuff is getting deleted from /tmp EACH time ? i WANT this stuff to be there when i reboot?????????? i just lost some important data and debian didnt told me it will DELETE it |
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| 21:57.01 | asmogator | i want whatever i put there to BE THERE !!! |
| 21:57.05 | asmogator | how ?~!?!?! |
| 21:57.12 | cirwin | asmogator: don't use /tmp/, easy |
| 21:57.17 | asmogator | no |
| 21:57.17 | Riviera | Ah, so you should store it in /permanent not in /temporary |
| 21:57.19 | asmogator | not easy |
| 21:57.33 | asmogator | i need /tmp to store the stuff NOT to delete it without my permission |
| 21:57.44 | cirwin | asmogator: everything in /tmp can be deleted whenever, that's what /tmp is for |
| 21:57.53 | asmogator | now 3 days of my job is for nothing |
| 21:57.56 | Riviera | then do so, but don't blame /tmp for being /tmp, blame yourself for not using /tmp as /tmp |
| 21:58.00 | asmogator | how i can tell this debian |
| 21:58.07 | asmogator | to keep instead of deleting stuff |
| 21:58.27 | asmogator | sorry it's just +t dir, just as any other dir but with +t flag |
| 21:58.33 | asmogator | i am owner of my pc not debian |
| 21:58.40 | asmogator | and i want my files to stay there |
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| 21:58.45 | asmogator | so how i tell debian to leave it alone |
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| 21:59.20 | Savis | man this samba share business is being such a bitch |
| 21:59.32 | asmogator | bitch is debain who deleted my /tmp ! |
| 21:59.50 | asmogator | somehow, the files that i dont care remained intact !!!!!! |
| 21:59.50 | Savis | lol |
| 21:59.51 | asmogator | jesus |
| 21:59.54 | asmogator | what the hell is it |
| 22:00.21 | eekboom | TeMPorary |
| 22:00.35 | asmogator | i switched from slackware to debian, i was using slack for +4 years |
| 22:00.36 | asmogator | so |
| 22:00.45 | Riviera | :D |
| 22:00.51 | themill | asmogator: man 5 rcS. |
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| 22:01.05 | asmogator | i know what im talking about |
| 22:01.05 | asmogator | if i want my OS to do stuff for me i would go for WIN7 |
| 22:01.05 | asmogator | no ? |
| 22:01.05 | asmogator | so |
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| 22:01.18 | themill | !beer debhelper |
| 22:01.18 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Green Flash IPA for debhelper |
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| 22:01.28 | asmogator | i dont paste |
| 22:01.30 | asmogator | jerkoff |
| 22:01.31 | themill | dpkg: tell asmogator about ranting |
| 22:01.32 | Riviera | so using slackware for 4 years makes curious people |
| 22:01.32 | asmogator | i just type fast |
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| 22:01.42 | Riviera | asmogator: look for TMPTIME and the manpage you were told to look at |
| 22:01.45 | themill | asmogator: how about you go and fix your problem and stop ranting. |
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| 22:06.30 | pashdown | has anyone here worked with preseed? |
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| 22:07.26 | dondelelcaro | pashdown: lots of people have. Best to ask your question. |
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| 22:08.06 | pashdown | i'm running a command with preseed/late_command and i'm wondering if there is a way to prompt for input in the late_command script. |
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| 22:15.52 | cirwin | grumble, netinst doesn't support wireless?! |
| 22:16.38 | asmogator | f |
| 22:16.45 | asmogator | fuck |
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| 22:17.07 | asmogator | everybody who wonder to use debian, consider the fact that it will delete /tmp |
| 22:17.10 | asmogator | each time |
| 22:17.21 | asmogator | like a damn bug |
| 22:17.26 | asmogator | indeed it is BUG |
| 22:17.41 | gnarface | hah |
| 22:17.55 | cirwin | asmogator: every linux distro I've ever used did that.. |
| 22:17.56 | gnarface | asmogator: no its a basic security featur |
| 22:18.13 | gnarface | its called tmp for a reason |
| 22:18.14 | asmogator | cirwin: did you used slackware ? |
| 22:18.16 | gnarface | as in temporary |
| 22:18.22 | gnarface | bsd does this as well |
| 22:18.23 | cirwin | asmogator: nah |
| 22:18.30 | asmogator | cirwin: you mean NO ? |
| 22:18.39 | themill | asmogator: you've been told how to solve this. |
| 22:18.45 | Savis | http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/04/17/a-shared-drop-box-using-samba/ |
| 22:18.48 | asmogator | themill: i ask cirwin |
| 22:18.50 | asmogator | not you |
| 22:18.54 | Savis | this is real close to what im trying to do lol |
| 22:18.55 | Bushmills | not debian does clean tmp. rm in bootmisc.sh does |
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| 22:19.03 | Savis | except i want 1 group to be able to delete files while the rest cant. |
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| 22:19.14 | themill | asmogator: please just go and fix your problem and stop ranting. |
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| 22:19.56 | Bushmills | and umountnfs.sh |
| 22:19.59 | Raccoon1400 | I accidentally enabled udev from the services config box, but I cant get back there to fix it. What config file controls services? |
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| 22:21.22 | abrotman | Raccoon1400: you generally want udev .. |
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| 22:21.44 | Raccoon1400 | abrotman: I think it is trying to start it somewhere else too |
| 22:21.54 | Raccoon1400 | its screwed everything up |
| 22:22.05 | abrotman | it? 'it' is vague there |
| 22:22.32 | Raccoon1400 | the change I made screwed everything up |
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| 22:22.47 | Raccoon1400 | I just need to find the config file that controls services and i'll be fine |
| 22:22.48 | jhutchins_lt | Raccoon1400: In what way? |
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| 22:23.20 | jhutchins_lt | Raccoon1400: By default services are started by links from /etc/rc2.d/ to files in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 22:23.42 | jhutchins_lt | Raccoon1400: There are various tools to manage these links. |
| 22:23.51 | jhutchins_lt | Raccoon1400: rcconf is one. |
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| 22:25.13 | Raccoon1400 | jhutchins_lt: where is rcconf? |
| 22:25.34 | Arrowmaster | its not installed by default |
| 22:26.24 | jhutchins_lt | Curiously dpkg doesn't know which package it's from. |
| 22:27.11 | jhutchins_lt | Raccoon1400: It's in the rcconf package. There's also chkconfig. |
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| 22:28.07 | Raccoon1400 | okay, I fixed it |
| 22:28.09 | jhutchins_lt | Raccoon1400: For now though you can just ls the /etc/rc2.d/ and see if you have multiple udev links. |
| 22:28.32 | Raccoon1400 | network manager isn't managing my network. What is? |
| 22:28.46 | Raccoon1400 | and how do I get network manager to do it? |
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| 22:29.07 | abrotman | network-manager has docs .. |
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| 22:47.03 | wathek | Hi all |
| 22:47.14 | wathek | did any one use the asus switcheroo module ? |
| 22:47.21 | wathek | I got an NVidia GT540M and I really want to use it under Linux the computer is an Asus N53SV the problem is that after compiling and installing that module I cannot find the folder vgaswitcheroo under the debug folder and when I reboot it says "i915-jprobe cannot load module operation not permitted" |
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| 22:59.25 | jdhore | What is the default filesystem in the squeeze installer? |
| 23:01.12 | Arrowmaster | i think its ext3, if its not then it would be ext4 |
| 23:01.28 | jdhore | I know it's one of the 2 |
| 23:01.45 | jdhore | My question was more : "Is the default ext3 or ext4?" |
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| 23:05.11 | ompaul | jdhore: install in a vm and work it out ;-) you seem to have the interest (hint I think you will find it is the lower of two numbers but test my theory) |
| 23:05.32 | jdhore | ompaul, i'm not that interested :P |
| 23:05.53 | ompaul | jdhore: just like I don't really want to answer that kind of question :P :P hehe |
| 23:06.07 | cirwin | are there reasons to use ext3 over ext4? |
| 23:06.29 | jdhore | cirwin, ext3 is prolly a bit less likely to suffer data loss in a power failure |
| 23:06.37 | ompaul | there are reasons for everything are the valid ... that is a whole other lesson and it costs more I have been using 4 for a year and a good bit now |
| 23:06.52 | jdhore | ompaul, heh, well your answer of probably ext3 works for me :) |
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| 23:07.13 | ompaul | I have powered off machines a lot and it ain't bitten me yet |
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| 23:07.34 | jdhore | nice |
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| 23:07.53 | jdhore | whelp, adios |
| 23:07.54 | ompaul | I'd like to think so, it is faster but then so are more modern kernels |
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| 23:08.27 | cirwin | is upgrading from spinny disks to ssds, maybe that will skew my impression of which is faster :) |
| 23:08.57 | MeglaW | i cant get my webcam working... i have a logitech fusion.. lspci & stuff -> http://pastebin.com/p6ZAav8z |
| 23:09.06 | MeglaW | pls help |
| 23:09.36 | norm_ | Q: I'm running a linux on my NAS device (funplug for DNS-323), every time I reboot my fstab get's cleared.... Anyone know why? |
| 23:10.33 | ompaul | cirwin: spell the words " most certainly it will " over and over until you are bored |
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| 23:11.07 | cirwin | imost certainly it well<ESC>yy1000000p :) |
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| 23:14.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | norm_: ##linux, but i'm guessing its only got a writable filesyste overlay |
| 23:14.23 | Bushmills | norm_: because /etc/fstab is a symlink to /tmp which is a RAM drive |
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| 23:15.25 | Guest56950 | Is there a reason why I can't |
| 23:15.39 | norm_ | Well the rest of my etc/files seem to be changable. Ie. exports |
| 23:15.51 | Bushmills | Guest56950: medical science can help you with that little problem |
| 23:15.55 | Guest56950 | Are there things I can change on my system to change my machine ID? |
| 23:16.12 | Guest56950 | At first, I tried changing the hostnames in /etc/hostname and /etc/resolv.conf and creating a whole new username. It got me unbanned from the game |
| 23:16.28 | Guest56950 | But then I tried it again and I was still banned |
| 23:16.36 | Guest56950 | What other system identifiers are there to get yourself unbanned |
| 23:16.42 | Guest56950 | from any game |
| 23:16.48 | Guest56950 | I can change my IP whenever I want |
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| 23:17.42 | dvs | Guest56950: I guess it depends on what the game is sending to the server. |
| 23:18.12 | Guest56950 | How can I find that out? Using a debugger? |
| 23:18.23 | Guest56950 | Everything is sent using encrypted zlib in the packets themselves |
| 23:18.25 | dvs | snort? |
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| 23:18.38 | Guest56950 | Is there a way to decrypt zlib packets on the fly? |
| 23:19.03 | Guest56950 | maybe not decrypt, but decode |
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| 23:20.10 | cheasee | did anybody try to use bonding on two atm interfaces? ive got two interfaces running with 10mbit+ but when bonding them together i get 17-18mbit/s at best |
| 23:20.33 | cheasee | what could i do to reach maximum bandwidth? some special optimizations? |
| 23:20.34 | Guest56950 | Is there a good debugger similar to SoftICE or Syser? I've looked up pICE (PrivateICE) but it seems to have been discontinued in 2003 |
| 23:20.41 | Guest56950 | Or a graphical front end for gdb? |
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| 23:29.07 | k-man | where is .forward documented? |
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| 23:40.03 | Lynx` | Does apt-get dist-upgrade do an automatic switch from lenny to squeeze? |
| 23:40.17 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:40.45 | Lynx` | I typed apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade and it said on a web site that this would upgrade it to squeeze |
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| 23:41.11 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: +tell Lynx` -about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:41.11 | dpkg | told Lynx` about lenny->squeeze. |
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| 23:43.36 | Lynx` | dpkg didn't tell me about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:43.36 | dpkg | Lynx`: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 23:43.50 | Lynx` | I even typed /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 23:43.51 | MeglaW | no takers for webcam? |
| 23:43.52 | Lynx` | And it didn't work |
| 23:44.03 | Arrowmaster | you should have gotten a private message |
| 23:44.03 | Lynx` | What does an sip:// address do in Linphone |
| 23:44.12 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 23:44.12 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 23:44.13 | Lynx` | I didn't get a private message, dpkg is a broken bot |
| 23:44.41 | Arrowmaster | it works for everybody else, i blame your client |
| 23:44.48 | dondelelcaro | Lynx`: uh... yes, you did. "[ 15520] >Lynx`< #debian wants you to know:" |
| 23:45.00 | Lynx` | ok I did all that already, I'm on the last stem |
| 23:45.02 | Lynx` | Weird |
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| 23:45.10 | Lynx` | I'm on the last step, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:45.47 | themill | Lynx`: that's not what you said a few minutes ago |
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| 23:46.06 | Lynx` | I never said that |
| 23:46.13 | Lynx` | I never said "uh... yes you did." |
| 23:46.30 | RichiH | 01:40:45 < Lynx`> I typed apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade and it said on a web site that this would upgrade it to squeeze |
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| 23:46.37 | RichiH | no mention of editing your sources.list |
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| 23:46.39 | Lynx` | right |
| 23:46.47 | Lynx` | I did edit my sources.list |
| 23:46.48 | themill | or installing a new kernel or udev |
| 23:46.55 | Lynx` | in /etc/apt... but I didn't reboot to a 2.6.32 kernel |
| 23:47.14 | Lynx` | Is there any way I can keep the already downloaded package files that I've gotten with apt-get dist-upgrade so far |
| 23:47.15 | Arrowmaster | follow every step exactly |
| 23:47.22 | dvs | or else it won't boot |
| 23:47.22 | Lynx` | so that it will only need to download the remaning 40% |
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| 23:47.31 | Lynx` | Well I don't have 2.6.32 kernel, how do I get that |
| 23:47.39 | RichiH | Lynx`: it does that automagically |
| 23:47.50 | RichiH | it tells you that, too |
| 23:48.42 | Lynx` | it says id linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 for modern PCs (meta-package) |
| 23:48.51 | Lynx` | idA linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 - Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII |
| 23:49.08 | Lynx` | so after it reboots, it automagically installs 2.6.32? |
| 23:49.17 | dvs | nope |
| 23:49.34 | themill | Lynx`: let's start at the beginning... reading the release notes and what dpkg said. |
| 23:51.03 | Lynx` | right |
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| 23:51.20 | Lynx` | it said apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev" |
| 23:51.33 | Lynx` | which I didn't do because that's what the web site said |
| 23:51.42 | dvs | what web site? |
| 23:51.52 | Lynx` | not sure, it was a phpBB forum |
| 23:52.03 | Arrowmaster | we are telling you to follow the directions from dpkg, not some random website |
| 23:52.28 | Lynx` | okay |
| 23:52.38 | Lynx` | Is there a way I can save my progress for apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 23:52.54 | Arrowmaster | it does that automatically |
| 23:52.56 | dvs | or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 23:52.59 | Lynx` | ok |
| 23:53.12 | Lynx` | so if I press Ctrl+C and do it again, it will resume? |
| 23:53.24 | Arrowmaster | it wont redownload any packages that it has already downloaded the same version of |
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| 23:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | You could be stuck with some packages that require other new packages that haven't been installed yet to work, leaving you with a broken system, but we can help you recover if that happens. |
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| 23:54.50 | Lynx` | maybe I'll just download the whole dist-upgrade, then start from the beginning |
| 23:55.27 | Raccoon1400 | what repo are the non-free nvidia drivers in? |
| 23:55.37 | nevyn | !nvidia install |
| 23:55.37 | jhutchins_lt | Lynx`: Why not just let it finish? |
| 23:55.44 | nevyn | !nvidia |
| 23:55.44 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:55.53 | Arrowmaster | !nvidia dkms |
| 23:55.53 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 23:55.58 | dvs | jhutchins: because he's not in the new kernel |
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| 23:56.22 | Arrowmaster | well he shouldnt be running dist-upgrade until he is on the new kernel |
| 23:56.44 | dvs | Arrowmaster: I think that's what he's doing right now, right? |
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| 23:56.54 | Raccoon1400 | nevyn: I already have that open. It says to install nvidia-kernel-common, but I can't find it |
| 23:57.06 | Arrowmaster | if he is then he will end up with a broken and unbootable system |
| 23:57.13 | dvs | yup |
| 23:57.26 | nevyn | Raccoon1400: do you have non-free and contrib enabled? |
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| 23:57.55 | dvs | Lynx`: if you're doing a dist-upgrade in the old kernel, you will end up with a broken system |
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| 23:58.50 | gwern | hiya. so I was thinking of switching back to debian. is there any book covering all the apt and other debian stuff? I remember reading _The Debian System_ by Krafft and finding it very helpful, but it seems to be 5 years out of date now. is there any recognized successor? |
| 23:59.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | gwern: you think apt has changed that much in 5 years? |
| 23:59.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | gwern: hi, btw :) |
