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| 00:00.12 | gwern | Kamping_Kaiser: well, soemtimes systems can change completely in 5 years, sometimes only trivial things change. I haven't been using debian so I dunno |
| 00:00.43 | jhutchins_lt | gwern: Most of it is documented online these days. The wiki's pretty good. |
| 00:00.47 | Raccoon1400 | nevyn:yes, I added those. Maybe I did something wrong |
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| 00:01.23 | Raccoon1400 | the line I added was: deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/squeeze-updates contrib |
| 00:02.27 | dvs | Raccoon1400: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:04.06 | Raccoon1400 | dvs: I just added that one, and reloaded the list, and I still cant find the nvidia driver |
| 00:04.13 | Lynx` | I had to remove volatile.debian .org, for squeeze, is that a good idea? |
| 00:04.19 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:04.19 | Raccoon1400 | nvidia-kernel-common |
| 00:04.22 | dvs | yes |
| 00:04.41 | verma | how do I get rid of xfce4, I have done apt-get remov xfce4 ; apt-get autoremove but when I still do startx, xfce starts, I have also pointed x-window-manager to a different window manager using update-alternatives --config x-window-manager .. but still xfce starts |
| 00:05.36 | Arrowmaster | Raccoon1400: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 00:07.31 | Raccoon1400 | Arrowmaster: thanks, I had the -updates part in there when I wasn't supposed to |
| 00:07.38 | Lynx` | Will Ubuntu's gameconqueror work with Squeeze's scanmem? |
| 00:07.42 | Raccoon1400 | I'm used to archlinux, everything is different now |
| 00:07.55 | Lynx` | it wouldn't work with lenny's version of scanmem was too early |
| 00:07.58 | Arrowmaster | verma: try removing xfwm4 |
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| 00:09.10 | gwern | so re http://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs - it doesn't cover whether the Debian 6 installer will let me make a btrfs /home partition. am I supposed to be able to infer whether I can or not? |
| 00:09.34 | verma | Arrowmaster: still :( |
| 00:09.39 | verma | Arrowmaster: let me restart |
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| 00:14.41 | gwern | as far as I can tell, I should be able to partition my drive as normal, stick /boot on its own partition as ext4 or something, and format /home as btrfs; the contortions liek http://www.howtoforge.com/boot-on-btrfs-with-debian seem to be about *booting* from btrfs, which I don't really care about |
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| 00:15.07 | gwern | on the other hand, nobody seems to mention encrypted partitions + btrfs, hm... |
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| 00:16.27 | verma | how do I search which package a particular file belongs to? |
| 00:16.31 | Arrowmaster | verma: if that still doesnt remove it all try aptitude remove "~n^xfce4" |
| 00:16.36 | Arrowmaster | verma: dlocate |
| 00:16.59 | gwern | hm, thought we used dpkg -S or something |
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| 00:17.39 | Arrowmaster | either works |
| 00:18.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | or apt-file, if its not installed yet |
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| 00:18.38 | gwern | hm, aron xu http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612317 says btrfs / works as long as /boot is an older fs like ext3. that's good |
| 00:18.56 | verma | Arrowmaster: yeah, that removed some of the packages, trying again |
| 00:19.22 | verma | Arrowmaster: woohoo, that worked :) .. thanks a lot |
| 00:19.44 | Arrowmaster | thats my one gripe with the installer, everything is marked as manually installed so removing a metapackage doesnt have much effect |
| 00:20.38 | dvs | Arrowmaster: Most people would disagree when they remove, say, an unnecessary video driver. |
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| 00:28.16 | musictoto | hi! if i understand correctly, using debian 6, without the 'nonfree' repos, means you're using a completely free software distro? |
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| 00:28.38 | dvs | musictoto: with nonfree and contrib |
| 00:28.55 | dvs | without |
| 00:29.14 | musictoto | dvs: what's in contrib? |
| 00:29.36 | dvs | !tell musictoto about contrib |
| 00:29.42 | musictoto | dvs: nevermind google helped me |
| 00:29.48 | musictoto | dvs: thanks |
| 00:29.52 | dvs | np |
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| 00:31.04 | musictoto | dvs: so if i read dpkg's info on contrib, i understand that the programs in contrib are all free software too, but their dependencies might not be free |
| 00:31.25 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 00:31.54 | Arrowmaster | for example, one that confuses people is flashplayer-nonfree which is in contrib because everything in the package is completely free |
| 00:32.12 | Arrowmaster | but it downloads the nonfree adobe flash player when installed |
| 00:32.30 | musictoto | dvs: if i leave out 'non-free' from the sources.list i'll have no troubles then, will i? apt will notify me that the program can't be installed because the dependencies can't be found |
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| 00:33.07 | dvs | musictoto: main packages don't depend on anything in contrib or non-free |
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| 00:33.34 | musictoto | dvs: yeah i know but i mean packages from contrib with non-free dependencies |
| 00:33.52 | Arrowmaster | some might not be installable |
| 00:34.07 | dvs | Arrowmaster: I think that's what he means |
| 00:34.11 | musictoto | Arrowmaster: but only if they're in contrib then |
| 00:34.18 | musictoto | the dependencies |
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| 00:34.29 | musictoto | ? |
| 00:36.04 | dvs | musictoto: packages in contrib may download non-free content even if non-free is not configured. |
| 00:36.28 | musictoto | dvs: oh! that sucks |
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| 00:37.44 | musictoto | dvs: Arrowmaster: and ok, thanks that answers my question completely |
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| 00:53.15 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:55.12 | rhenani | Hi =) |
| 00:55.55 | TrueDD | hi rhenani |
| 00:56.00 | TrueDD | and good night |
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| 01:02.25 | swerve | powerfailure here 2day - now comp won't start |
| 01:02.35 | swerve | bios keeps getting reset to defaults, no floppy, won't start, etc. |
| 01:02.58 | swerve | could it be a bad bios battery? |
| 01:03.05 | dvs | swerve: Sounds like your BIOS battery is dead. |
| 01:03.19 | swerve | dvs: that's what i thought too, thanks |
| 01:03.31 | dvs | np |
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| 01:16.55 | zermet | Complete survey for $10 cash... fuck DollarInbox http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/7FYJH3F |
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| 01:29.32 | Serpher | I'm trying to set a static IP for my Debian box with no GUI. How would I go about doing this? |
| 01:30.48 | DammitJim | Serpher, look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:30.51 | Arrowmaster | Serpher: man interfaces |
| 01:31.18 | Serpher | Thanks |
| 01:31.21 | cirwin | I have just run into this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626220 <-- my network card is not supported by the installer |
| 01:31.37 | cirwin | what's the best way around this? |
| 01:31.51 | cirwin | the guy there says he installed over wireless, but I'm not sure how to do that |
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| 01:36.26 | sdnalanis | hi all i have debian squeeze and an atheros ar5b91 wificard and during setup it detects the card but when i go to switch networks its not showing any networks |
| 01:37.09 | pretend0 | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 01:37.44 | sdnalanis | ok thanks\ |
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| 01:41.30 | dym | and idea on how i can debug a non-working nfs mount? it simply just wont mount and i cant find anything on logs |
| 01:41.32 | oldtopman | Question: Does debian support GPT? |
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| 01:43.16 | oldtopman | Hmm? |
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| 01:44.24 | oldtopman | oookay |
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| 01:45.37 | Serpher | I installed apache2, php5, and libapache2-mod-php5, and I can view normal .html pages, however when I try to view a .php page, it just lists the page as a file FTP style. |
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| 01:46.24 | oldtopman | I do believe it is causing my mysterious kernel panics. |
| 01:47.12 | chrissbx | I'm looking for a solution that allows me to limit traffic from/to each ip of some subnet to a predefined amount. |
| 01:47.29 | oldtopman | How do you install grub2 from the install cd? |
| 01:47.30 | chrissbx | I'm not sure how to do this with iptables. I guess I'll need some daemon? |
| 01:48.22 | dvs | Serpher: is php5 files in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ? |
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| 01:49.40 | Serpher | dvs: I have "php5.conf@" and "php5.load@". Is this correct? |
| 01:49.50 | dym | chrissbx: what exactly? |
| 01:49.54 | dvs | yes |
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| 01:50.25 | DammitJim | I don't want to over simplify things, but I have a squeeze install in a VM |
| 01:50.45 | DammitJim | is it as easy as changing my repos to wheezy if I want to upgrade from squeeze and then run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 01:51.09 | chrissbx | dym: I'll offer my 3G connection on my laptop to wifi clients; I want to limit the amount each wifi client can use to say 20 MB. There will be like ~20 wifi clients, I think I want to distinguish them by the ip that dnsmasq is giving them. |
| 01:51.20 | oldtopman | DammitJim: I do believe so. |
| 01:51.37 | DammitJim | I"m doing it... worse case scenario, I restart from my last snapshot |
| 01:51.52 | dym | chrissbx: read up about shorewall and packet marking / accounting |
| 01:52.06 | Serpher | dvs: Any idea what the problem might be? This is a fresh install. |
| 01:52.07 | dym | DammitJim: |
| 01:52.14 | dym | first update/upgrade |
| 01:52.16 | dym | then dist-upgrade |
| 01:52.27 | DammitJim | ah, crap |
| 01:52.29 | dym | but yes, thats the usualy way |
| 01:52.36 | dym | s/usualy/usual/ |
| 01:52.38 | DammitJim | I did a direct apt-get dist-upgrade after apt-get update |
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| 01:53.35 | DammitJim | thank you |
| 01:53.46 | dym | yw |
| 01:53.51 | DammitJim | I changed only some of the repos, though |
| 01:54.00 | dym | why is that? |
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| 01:55.17 | dvs | Serpher: nope |
| 01:55.27 | DammitJim | I didn't update the squeeze-updates, previously known as 'volatile' |
| 01:55.41 | dym | you cannot have a mixed sources.list |
| 01:55.58 | dym | you'll b0rk your system |
| 01:56.15 | oldtopman | How do you install grub2 from the install cd? |
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| 01:57.08 | dym | oldtopman: add the cd as source and use aptitude? |
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| 01:58.15 | oldtopman | dym: During installation |
| 01:58.21 | oldtopman | dym: I have gpt |
| 01:58.27 | oldtopman | and grub hates gpt |
| 01:58.44 | dym | gpt? |
| 01:58.52 | dym | unfermilliar |
| 01:59.03 | oldtopman | nvm |
| 01:59.18 | oldtopman | gpt is a partitioning table, much like mbr, but improved |
| 01:59.48 | DammitJim | dym I disabled those |
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| 02:00.57 | DammitJim | does one normally reboot after a dist-upgrade? |
| 02:01.48 | rhenani | DammitJim: It's not necesesary |
| 02:02.06 | DammitJim | oh cool! |
| 02:02.12 | DammitJim | it'll switch to the new kernel? |
| 02:03.36 | dvs | DammitJim: you upgraded without using the new kernel?!? |
| 02:04.02 | DammitJim | all I did was update my sources.list to use wheezy vs squeeze |
| 02:04.11 | DammitJim | then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 02:04.33 | DammitJim | am I in trouble? |
| 02:04.33 | dvs | oh, squeeze to wheezy, that's ok |
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| 02:05.30 | daemon | how the heck do they name the debian releases |
| 02:05.47 | DammitJim | daemon, Toy Story :) |
| 02:05.52 | lnxr0x | charaters from Toy Story |
| 02:05.57 | DammitJim | I do wonder how they come up with the order, though |
| 02:06.07 | DammitJim | I mean... like Woody should have been the best release ever! |
| 02:06.09 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 02:06.16 | daemon | DammitJim, (0_o) it explains so much ... |
| 02:06.25 | lnxr0x | lol.. prob put names in a hat |
| 02:06.34 | DammitJim | yup |
| 02:07.20 | daemon | By the way ... I use debian on rackspace and a couple of other servers; but I do use multiple OSs.. may I ask a question which is more Linux centric than debian centric? without getting flamed -_- |
| 02:07.47 | DammitJim | Rackspace? |
| 02:07.55 | DammitJim | isn't that in like Florida? |
| 02:07.59 | lnxr0x | ask away |
| 02:08.01 | daemon | no idea |
| 02:08.07 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 02:08.15 | DammitJim | are you Matt? Matt Daemon? |
| 02:08.17 | daemon | Why do all linux distributions use weird ass names |
| 02:08.28 | daemon | and all the BSD's use names like: FreeBSD desktop1.daemonrage.net 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0: |
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| 02:08.45 | daemon | I do not understand the weird naming schema |
| 02:08.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemon: you mean whacky names like rhel-5.4.iso? |
| 02:09.05 | daemon | Kamping_Kaiser, thats a file name |
| 02:09.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | daemon: isn't that what you're talking about? |
| 02:09.29 | daemon | no I was speaking more of the release names |
| 02:09.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | or di d i misunderstand the issue? |
| 02:09.30 | DammitJim | that's 'cause we all are crazy |
| 02:09.35 | lnxr0x | or do you mean like "Debian" ?? |
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| 02:09.39 | DammitJim | why are my server names after fast cars? |
| 02:09.39 | daemon | 'woody' 'wheezy' 'sid' 'lenny' |
| 02:09.46 | DammitJim | :D |
| 02:09.58 | DammitJim | and why are all my radios named after ice cream flavours? |
| 02:10.15 | daemon | DammitJim, seriously? :P |
| 02:10.21 | DammitJim | :D |
| 02:10.41 | daemon | I just wondered .. |
| 02:10.59 | daemon | instead of 'woody' 'wheezy' 'sid' 'lenny' |
| 02:11.02 | daemon | why not |
| 02:11.07 | daemon | 1.x 2.x 3.x 4.x |
| 02:12.07 | daemon | and its not just debian |
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| 02:12.17 | daemon | pretty much every linux distro has some weird naming schema |
| 02:12.22 | lnxr0x | i know alot of naming schemes start as internal names and then just stick with the release.. easier to say "hey have you checked the wifi bug in Lenny yet ?.. rather than 3.7.2.. |
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| 02:12.53 | tensorpudding | debian uses numbers too |
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| 02:12.59 | daemon | lnxr0x, see this is what I do not get, in my eyes its more precise to give an exact version |
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| 02:13.29 | daemon | tensorpudding, if that is so then what are the names about? |
| 02:13.35 | tensorpudding | the names are traditional |
| 02:13.42 | daemon | ah ha |
| 02:13.44 | daemon | tensorpudding, from what |
| 02:13.49 | tensorpudding | the movie toy story |
| 02:13.51 | DammitJim | daemon, if I'm not mistaken, debian Squeeze is 6.01 |
| 02:13.54 | daemon | hitys head on desk |
| 02:14.07 | daemon | tensorpudding, is there any reason /every/ linux distro does the same thing |
| 02:14.16 | daemon | is there some sort of tradition based from the linux kernel |
| 02:14.16 | tensorpudding | not every distro names their releases |
| 02:14.17 | DammitJim | and lenny was 5.0 |
| 02:14.27 | tensorpudding | and some of those that do, have names which aren't widely known |
| 02:14.29 | DammitJim | etch was 4.0 |
| 02:14.45 | daemon | I see |
| 02:14.51 | cirwin | is there a way I can get a debian installer with a custom kernel? My network cards are not supported :( |
| 02:14.52 | tensorpudding | fedora has numbers and release names, but i don't think they usually refer to releases by name |
| 02:14.53 | DammitJim | so, if you ask in this channel what you need to do to Debian 6.01, they should know you are talking about squeeze |
| 02:14.59 | DammitJim | but squeeze sounds way cooler than 6.01 |
| 02:15.17 | daemon | cirwin, I assume you could compile a kernel install it in a dir with all the installer supports files; mkisofs |
| 02:15.18 | daemon | and rebuild it |
| 02:15.21 | DammitJim | cirwin, did you check http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/? |
| 02:15.24 | daemon | replace the one that should be there |
| 02:15.51 | cirwin | DammitJim: it's pretty new, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626220 was filed after I ordered it |
| 02:15.51 | tensorpudding | that site is really out-of-date |
| 02:16.00 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 02:16.01 | DammitJim | sorry |
| 02:16.07 | DammitJim | that's what is in the debian website |
| 02:16.20 | DammitJim | how about if you run sid? |
| 02:16.27 | DammitJim | I don't know how to do the custom kernel, sorry |
| 02:16.39 | cirwin | I tried with testing, but no-go |
| 02:16.47 | daemon | tensorpudding, DammitJim thank you for the insight ;) |
| 02:16.57 | daemon | heads back to customizing exim land |
| 02:17.42 | DammitJim | sid is unstable, not testing :D |
| 02:17.52 | cirwin | DammitJim: I know :p |
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| 02:18.52 | DammitJim | sorry to be redundant |
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| 02:19.44 | DammitJim | wait a minute... now I'm confused |
| 02:20.00 | DammitJim | why is wheezy the same as sid right now? |
| 02:20.13 | daemon | DammitJim, try sitting with 3 TFT's each displaying a different perl script |
| 02:20.22 | daemon | and the one that is blinking is showing an error |
| 02:20.24 | daemon | now that is confused |
| 02:20.27 | daemon | especially at: |
| 02:20.28 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 02:20.31 | daemon | Tue May 17 03:20:21 BST 2011 |
| 02:20.39 | cirwin | tries ubuntu 11 instead â not happy |
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| 02:20.59 | DammitJim | cirwin, there are distros for each need |
| 02:21.08 | daemon | cirwin, the only thing ubuntu will bring you is pain |
| 02:21.20 | daemon | if you need to do actual work that is |
| 02:21.34 | cirwin | daemon: unfortunately I can't install debian until 6.0.2 (assuming that the bug I linked to above is fixed by then) |
| 02:21.49 | daemon | cirwin, well .. you say that your nic is not supported? |
| 02:21.52 | cirwin | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624794 |
| 02:21.54 | daemon | why not download the cd install? |
| 02:22.01 | cirwin | I don't have any cds :p |
| 02:22.01 | daemon | reads |
| 02:22.17 | daemon | cirwin, well .. head down the shops |
| 02:22.17 | cirwin | once I've installed it though, surely the network will still be broken? |
| 02:22.23 | daemon | you could buy ten for the price of a can of beer |
| 02:22.27 | cirwin | true :) |
| 02:22.54 | soapie | that beer sounds pretty tempting though |
| 02:22.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | DammitJim: ftr, its 6.0.1, not 6.01 |
| 02:22.57 | dudz_ | yeah put your alcoholism on hold till the debian servers online. |
| 02:22.58 | daemon | cirwin, ( DammitJim I cannot confirm what I am about to say tell me if I am wrong ) You should be able to install the source for your release from cd |
| 02:23.06 | daemon | and then recompile your kernel with no net access |
| 02:23.07 | DammitJim | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks for the correction |
| 02:23.15 | daemon | to provide the drivers you need |
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| 02:23.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | cirwin: what is your card? |
| 02:23.34 | DammitJim | Kamping_Kaiser, do you know if sid is wheezy right now? |
| 02:23.55 | cirwin | Kamping_Kaiser: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Ethernet |
| 02:23.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | DammitJim: no its not |
| 02:24.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | cirwin: probably requires proprietary firmware, grab the isos with the firmare included |
| 02:24.27 | cirwin | support for it was added in 2.6.38 |
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| 02:24.45 | DammitJim | weird that http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/ takes you to the same link for sid or wheezy |
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| 02:25.26 | cirwin | Kamping_Kaiser: can I get an ISO with a kernel >= 2.6.38? |
| 02:25.42 | cirwin | or make one? |
| 02:25.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | cirwin: and if you really ant to rebuild the cds, you can do it by building acustom kernel ausing debian-installer and generate a netinstall image |
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| 02:25.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | *and using |
| 02:26.08 | cirwin | hmm |
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| 02:26.36 | cirwin | how do I find out which proprietry firmware is needed? |
| 02:26.45 | soapie | just install it all |
| 02:26.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | that i don't know sorry |
| 02:27.03 | cirwin | ok |
| 02:27.04 | cirwin | thanks |
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| 02:27.16 | DammitJim | man, it did not start using the new kernel after I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy |
| 02:27.26 | DammitJim | I keep thinking squeezy to wheezy LOL |
| 02:29.04 | DammitJim | ok, I better do some reading |
| 02:29.05 | DammitJim | good night |
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| 03:07.03 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: You around? |
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| 03:07.54 | Seth_Hikaru | I need help setting up qingy, I can't get it. |
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| 03:14.34 | Zxcvb | does squeeze have support for the linksys ae1000 usb wifi adapter? |
| 03:15.32 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals ae1000 |
| 03:15.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ae1000' by value (1): ae1000. |
| 03:15.40 | streuner_ | dpkg, ae1000 |
| 03:15.40 | dpkg | The Linksys AE1000 "High-Performance Wireless-N USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device produced by Cisco. Device version 1 (USB ID 13b1:002f) contains a Ralink RT3572 chipset. For device support on Debian systems, ask me about <rt2800usb> (Linux >= 2.6.35 recommended) and <new_id>. |
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| 03:19.13 | streuner_ | Zxcvb: hardware support is in Linux a kernel thingie :-) |
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| 03:20.08 | Zxcvb | of course, but 2.6.32 doesn't support it |
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| 03:21.26 | ghoti | I'm being told that I can reduce impact of Ethernet switch failure by running LACP on a server but connecting the far end to two separate Cisco switches that share a VLAN trunk with the server on it. Does this make any sense? I though LACP needed both Ethernet interfaces to be local. http://pastebin.com/y3XC2ruD sort-of diagrams it. |
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| 03:23.21 | Zxcvb | also, is it better to use the debian clone or aptitude clone method? |
| 03:24.19 | streuner_ | Zxcvb: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-backports§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-2.6.38 |
| 03:26.43 | streuner_ | wth should be a "aptitude clone or/and a debian clone"? :-) |
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| 03:28.05 | Zxcvb | aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list or "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile" |
| 03:28.40 | Zxcvb | I would assume using the aptitude method is better |
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| 03:35.40 | Angstrom1 | I recently upgraded to squeeze... now my Xserver won't start |
| 03:36.23 | anima- | Angstrom1, thats pretty generic, you need to be way more specific |
| 03:36.26 | Angstrom1 | it says "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 03:36.48 | Angstrom1 | Do I have to do the same commands I used to install it to start with? |
| 03:37.08 | anima- | Angstrom1, read that line again |
| 03:37.13 | wols_ | Angstrom1: you should have installed the nvidia drivers the debian way |
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| 03:37.33 | Angstrom1 | Using dpkg? |
| 03:37.45 | anima- | Angstrom1, go download the newest drivers from nvidia and install them |
| 03:38.08 | Angstrom1 | I'll try that, thanks |
| 03:38.20 | anima- | wols_, i find the debian package is always way behind |
| 03:38.33 | wols_ | anima-: that is _exactly_ how he got in this mess and unsupported |
| 03:38.49 | wols_ | anima-: you need to learn a lot about software versioning and nvidia drivers as well |
| 03:40.08 | anima- | wols_, i know installing anything outside the debian repos is unsupported however some times the stuff in the repos is far too old to support newer hardware |
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| 03:41.06 | wols_ | considering he had lenny on that machine before, it's very unlikely it's not supported in debian |
| 03:41.29 | wols_ | and even then, there is still no reason to go to the nvidia installer: you can always easily backport and get all the debian benefits |
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| 03:44.06 | rypervenche | They're all precompiled in the repos, it's easy peasy. |
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| 03:45.15 | anima- | wols_, im just used to doing things the unsupported way, if a distro doesnt offer what i want ill build from source |
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| 03:49.21 | celthunder | i agree with anima- ...debian repo's are way behind on a lot of packages |
| 03:50.05 | celthunder | and some of them are to the point where it doesn't make sense especially when you have to version match for the program to work in the first place (unison?) |
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| 03:51.55 | Zxcvb | ok, I upgraded to 2.6.38 using the lenny backports but now 3d acceleration isn't working anymore |
| 03:52.04 | ghoti | Is there anything that manages groups of packages like RHN's "channels"? For example, if I know that "my" web servers require apache+php+python+mod_whatever, is there a standard tool that lets me define that group of packages as something, then install them en-masse rather than having to do them individually? |
| 03:53.00 | rypervenche | I have a computer with Debian 6.0.1 on it that I use as a server. However, I sometimes need a GUI for burning CDs and some other things. However now that I have the GUI installed on it, I have to actually log in graphically in order for my wireless to work. Is there anyway I can have it start automatically when I turn on the PC like before? |
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| 03:53.43 | celthunder | rypervenche: what network manager is your gui starting? you should always be able to cnnect from the command line |
| 03:53.50 | anima- | rypervenche, yea set it up in /etc/network/interfaces and install wpa supplicant |
| 03:54.02 | Zxcvb | brb |
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| 03:54.29 | Angstrom1 | So |
| 03:54.31 | Angstrom1 | Question |
| 03:54.39 | Angstrom1 | About X |
| 03:54.47 | Angstrom1 | if it says NVIDIA kernel module not found, what do I do? |
| 03:54.58 | anima- | Angstrom1, i already told you |
| 03:55.16 | Lancelot | also, it helps to not use the enter button as punctuation |
| 03:55.18 | Angstrom1 | is there a way to load and install the newest nvidia kernel module |
| 03:55.30 | Arrowmaster | !nvidia dkms |
| 03:55.30 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 03:55.32 | anima- | Angstrom1, again i already told you how |
| 03:55.40 | rypervenche | celthunder: I'm using the network manager I suppose now that I've got a GUI |
| 03:55.52 | Arrowmaster | rypervenche: remove network manager |
| 03:56.07 | Angstrom1 | !nvidia dkms |
| 03:56.08 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 03:56.12 | rypervenche | Arrowmaster: then use wicd again? |
| 03:56.18 | celthunder | rypervenche: take that out of startup so it doesn't hijack your network card and add your network settings to /etc/network/interfaces like usual |
| 03:56.20 | Angstrom1 | how do I set log file on for irssi |
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| 03:56.36 | Angstrom1 | I can't copy or paste as I'm in the Linux version of DOS prompt |
| 03:56.43 | Angstrom1 | X isn't running |
| 03:56.59 | celthunder | Angstrom1: /set and search for log |
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| 03:58.22 | rypervenche | celthunder: I've never used /etc/network/interfaces before. I either just did /etc/init.d/networking start and/or used wicd |
| 03:58.25 | anima- | Angstrom1, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` then use lynx and goto nvidia.com, download the newest linux package, chmod +x download ./download let it build |
| 03:59.03 | celthunder | rypervenche: /etc/init.d/networking start uses /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:00.00 | rypervenche | celthunder: Ah I see. I'll see if it starts up automatically. If it doesn't I just add wlan0 to the list? |
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| 04:02.40 | anima- | rypervenche, http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 04:03.02 | anima- | under the section "WPA-PSK and WPA2-PSK" |
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| 04:05.41 | rypervenche | anima-: Thank you. |
| 04:05.49 | anima- | rypervenche, it doesnt state it in the FAQ but you need to use "wpa_passphrase myssid pass" to generate the key for wpa-psk |
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| 04:06.37 | rypervenche | It's ok. I'm on a network using WEP, so that doesn't matter at the moment. |
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| 04:07.59 | anima- | rypervenche, ah then look at this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=42296 |
| 04:11.24 | rypervenche | What does Debian use automatically when there is no GUI installed? wicd? |
| 04:11.42 | Lancelot | does anyone here do network security stuff? |
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| 04:12.50 | wols_ | rypervenche: nothing. /etc/network/interfaces is the default |
| 04:12.51 | anima- | rypervenche, anything defined in /etc/network/interfaces will be configured at boot |
| 04:12.57 | streuner_ | rypervenche: interfaces? :-) |
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| 04:13.47 | anima- | Lancelot, what kind of network security ? |
| 04:13.55 | rypervenche | Ah ok. Do I need to add anything like wlan0 to the list then? |
| 04:14.20 | wols_ | yes, if there is nothing there for your wlan, you need to add a stanza for it there |
| 04:14.40 | Datz | Hi, my dns resolving takes a long time. I read an older article about debian trying ipv6 first. I think my install is trying ipv6 first, and when that fails it falls back to ipv4, could this be, and if so how can I change this? |
| 04:15.08 | anima- | rypervenche, auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp wireless-essid essid wireless-key key |
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| 04:15.23 | wols_ | Datz: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 04:15.24 | Lancelot | anima-: I have a question, I had a strange IP address connect to my network |
| 04:15.53 | Lancelot | so I guess it may be general |
| 04:15.57 | anima- | Lancelot, so ban it at the router |
| 04:16.09 | wols_ | Lancelot: so ask #linux or #networking or whatever |
| 04:16.10 | Lancelot | anima-: it's a little more strange than that |
| 04:16.24 | Lancelot | Wolfram Alpha gave me this result for it: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=25.64.62.24 |
| 04:16.29 | Datz | thanks wols_. I tried disabling it with a command before, and It didn't help. I also have no way of testing whether my presumption is correct |
| 04:17.40 | anima- | Lancelot, meh if you add it to the routers iptable drop list it wont be able to connect anymore |
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| 04:17.57 | streuner_ | rypervenche: there is doc about for your driver? |
| 04:18.08 | Lancelot | anima-: I wonder why the hell it connected in the first place |
| 04:18.35 | Lancelot | anima-: I'm more concerned with what it was doing, however my router is for a home network and it can't do any logging |
| 04:19.23 | Arrowmaster | how do you even know it was connected then? and how do you know you werent connecting to it? |
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| 04:19.51 | Lancelot | Arrowmaster: why would I connect to the MND? |
| 04:19.51 | Arrowmaster | p2p client |
| 04:20.11 | Lancelot | Arrowmaster: not running one, and it showed up as a connected host |
| 04:20.14 | Lancelot | not just a connected IP |
| 04:20.45 | wols_ | wonders what the difference between "connected host" and "connected IP" is... |
| 04:20.52 | anima- | Lancelot, 25.0.0.0/8 is all Defence Interoperable Network Services Authority |
| 04:21.20 | anima- | Lancelot, so if you have connected to any .mod.uk second level domains that would explain why it showed up |
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| 04:22.01 | rypervenche | Thanks everyone. |
| 04:22.19 | Lancelot | anima-: can you elaborate on that? |
| 04:22.44 | wols_ | anima-: can you do that in #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 04:22.47 | Angstrom1 | Guess what |
| 04:22.49 | Angstrom1 | I tried |
| 04:22.52 | Angstrom1 | !nvidia dfms |
| 04:22.56 | wols_ | !enter |
| 04:22.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 04:22.59 | Angstrom1 | !nvidia |
| 04:22.59 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:23.10 | Angstrom1 | I tried that nvidia dkms-96xx and it didn't work |
| 04:23.15 | Angstrom1 | !nvidia dkms-96xx |
| 04:23.15 | dpkg | For Squeeze users (GeForce 2/3/4 GPUs supported). Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 04:23.17 | anima- | Lancelot, DINSA controls all .mod.uk second level domains. also its not uncommon for government computers to be infected with malware and scan random computers |
| 04:23.30 | Lancelot | anima-: can I do a private chat with you so we don't flood up the channels? |
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| 04:23.50 | Arrowmaster | Angstrom1: what card do you have? |
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| 04:25.29 | Angstrom1 | I tried typing all of that and it still does nothing |
| 04:25.48 | anima- | Lancelot, im off to bed right now, but google for DINSA computers doing random scans. its fairly common. if i see you tomorrow ill explain in more detail |
| 04:26.04 | Angstrom1 | I typed that whole line and it started removing packages after I spend so long updating to squeeze |
| 04:26.10 | Lancelot | anima-: I'll try and come on |
| 04:26.13 | Lancelot | thanks |
| 04:26.15 | Angstrom1 | so I had to reboot to stop removing the packages |
| 04:26.32 | wols_ | I like your definition of "nothing" |
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| 04:26.57 | Angstrom1 | I'ts looking for the nv kernel module and also glx when it upgrades |
| 04:27.07 | wols_ | run: aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms and show us the output before your press "Y" |
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| 04:28.21 | Arrowmaster | you also never answered my question about what video card you have |
| 04:29.35 | Angstrom1 | It installed a bunch of h eaders |
| 04:29.40 | Angstrom1 | yes I did, I private messaged you |
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| 04:30.07 | Arrowmaster | you could have just said it in the channel |
| 04:30.13 | Arrowmaster | and that is a really really old card |
| 04:30.15 | Angstrom1 | right |
| 04:30.20 | wols_ | Angstrom1: since you are obviously unable to actually do what you are asked we can't help you. have fun solving your problems. good luck |
| 04:30.20 | Angstrom1 | it worked before... right now it doesn't work |
| 04:30.20 | Kobaz | Angstrom1: there's a setting some people use that ignores private messages |
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| 04:30.58 | Angstrom1 | Well it's sort of working now |
| 04:31.14 | Angstrom1 | maybe I'll reboot |
| 04:31.24 | Kobaz | rebooting doesn't generally fix things |
| 04:31.41 | Angstrom1 | It keeps loading it's slow |
| 04:31.51 | Angstrom1 | All disk-access-y |
| 04:32.01 | Kobaz | running out of ram? |
| 04:32.48 | Angstrom1 | I see the rotating thing inside the cursor, but that's about all |
| 04:32.50 | Angstrom1 | No, I don't t hink so |
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| 04:37.50 | Angstrom1 | It worked better after a reboot, but it still doesn't detect my non-USB mouse |
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| 04:38.09 | Angstrom1 | And I have it in my xorg.conf too |
| 04:38.31 | Arrowmaster | remove it |
| 04:39.26 | Arrowmaster | in squeeze, almost everything is autodetected instead of using xorg.conf |
| 04:39.30 | Angstrom1 | It's like it renamed everything from Keyboard to Keyboard0, Mouse to Mouse0 etc |
| 04:39.47 | Angstrom1 | So how do I autodetect a legacy mouse? |
| 04:39.56 | Kobaz | how legacy |
| 04:39.59 | Kobaz | serial mous? |
| 04:40.01 | Angstrom1 | yes |
| 04:40.02 | Kobaz | bus mouse? |
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| 04:40.11 | Angstrom1 | I know how to add it, but it seems like it's added and still not working |
| 04:40.15 | Kobaz | you'll probably need to specify serial |
| 04:40.22 | Angstrom1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:40.24 | Kobaz | may even need gpm, depending on the house |
| 04:41.22 | Kobaz | mouse |
| 04:42.07 | Angstrom1 | well |
| 04:42.14 | Angstrom1 | I'l using Shift+Numlock for now (Keypad) |
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| 04:44.21 | Angstrom1 | I think I found out how |
| 04:44.31 | Angstrom1 | What you use to install a serial mouse is apt-get install inputattach |
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| 04:45.20 | zermet | $10 dollar obey survey http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/7FYJH3F sh |
| 04:45.28 | Angstrom1 | Then just type inputattach --microsoft /dev/ttyS0 |
| 04:45.42 | boudiccas | zermotpush off |
| 04:46.00 | boudiccas | zermot push off, you're not welcome here |
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| 04:46.41 | Angstrom1 | Should I put that in my /etc/rc.local or should I figure out a way to have xorg.conf do it |
| 04:47.05 | Angstrom1 | whateva |
| 04:47.36 | boudiccas | !op |
| 04:47.41 | boudiccas | !ops |
| 04:47.41 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 04:47.57 | Angstrom1 | I solved my own problem |
| 04:48.07 | Angstrom1 | To install a serial mouse in squeeze: |
| 04:48.15 | Ikarus | Angstrom1: wow |
| 04:48.20 | Angstrom1 | Type: apt-get install inputattach |
| 04:48.30 | Angstrom1 | inputattach --microsoft /dev/ttyS0 |
| 04:48.31 | Ikarus | Angstrom1: I assume some form of accessible mouse because, wow |
| 04:48.35 | Angstrom1 | Then add that line to /etc/rc.local |
| 04:48.56 | Angstrom1 | adding it to xorg.conf won't work even with Protocol autoi |
| 04:48.57 | Angstrom1 | adding it to xorg.conf won't work even with Protocol auto |
| 04:49.03 | Angstrom1 | Goodbye |
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| 05:56.37 | Matadore | hello folks |
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| 05:57.19 | Matadore | I am trying to install apache2 without promps.. using "export "DEBIAN_FRONTEND= noninteractive ";apt-get --force-yes -q -y install apache2" but it still prompts me. anyway to bypass this? |
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| 05:57.52 | buhman | how could I make a pdf printer? |
| 05:59.38 | jmarsden | Matadore: You should be able to preseed the answers to any questions, and then do the install. Also the space between the = and then word noninteractive may be a problem, try: export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive ;apt-get --force-yes -q -y install apache2 |
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| 06:00.50 | Matadore | jmarsden: it asked me if i wanted to keep old apache config.. |
| 06:01.00 | Matadore | jmarsden: maybe i should remove.. then reinstall ? |
| 06:01.19 | jmarsden | Matadore: Sure, if you want, you can apt-get purge apache2 first. |
| 06:02.10 | Matadore | cool, ill reinstall vps and see if that works. thanks |
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| 06:04.02 | ZykoticK9 | buhman, have you tried the cups-pdf package? |
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| 06:14.05 | buhman | ZykoticK9: thanks |
| 06:15.03 | buhman | ZykoticK9: I've set that up now, but I didn't realize that the real problem was that I was trying to get some flash application to print for me, and that the adobe-flash doesn't seem to do the builtin "print to file" meta-printer |
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| 06:16.58 | nevyn | waves a fist at adobe-flash in a curmudgeonly manner |
| 06:17.43 | nevyn | This bit me recently http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624198 |
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| 06:20.04 | wols_ | nvz: flash is using Qt? |
| 06:20.23 | wols_ | and whatever this qjackctl is |
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| 06:24.27 | jmarsden | qjackctl is a Qt-based configuration tool for jack, which is an audio daemon... |
| 06:24.47 | StefandeVries | I'll second that. |
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| 07:00.50 | saulus | Hi. After reinstalling testing my xserver does not get input from my USB mouse and keyboard until I replug them. Any ideas what may cause this issue? |
| 07:01.24 | saulus | That means every morning I have to replug them and when I restart the xserver. |
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| 07:39.43 | Dr_Heckle | I could use some help removing Eclipse - Galileo from my Ubuntu 10.04 system. The result of apt-get -s remove eclipse* is here: http://pastebin.com/kXddqQcCa of which the most important line is probably: The following packages will be REMOVED: eclipse-platform eclipse-platform-data eclipse-rcp. Not sure if "remove eclipse*" is what I want... |
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| 07:43.38 | wols | Dr_Heckle: unknown paste id |
| 07:43.47 | Dr_Heckle | wth? |
| 07:44.05 | wols | and what's wrong with removing eclipse? that's what you asked for, no? |
| 07:44.09 | tvm | dr_heckle: why not just remove 'eclipse' ? |
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| 07:44.45 | Dr_Heckle | http://pastebin.com/kXddqQcC <<try w/out the bolds, prob wy |
| 07:44.47 | wols | eclipse galileo is simply a version of eclipse, like "squeeze" is a version of debian. and if you remove it, you remove it |
| 07:44.48 | Dr_Heckle | why... |
| 07:44.57 | Dr_Heckle | will -s eclipse |
| 07:44.58 | Dr_Heckle | i know |
| 07:45.04 | Dr_Heckle | that galileo is a version |
| 07:45.07 | Dr_Heckle | i want helios |
| 07:45.11 | Dr_Heckle | and it won't upgrade |
| 07:45.22 | tvm | apt-get remove eclipse |
| 07:45.25 | wols | !enter |
| 07:45.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 07:45.34 | tvm | apt-get install yournewversionofeclipse |
| 07:45.39 | wols | and next time: ask your real question |
| 07:45.47 | Dr_Heckle | right, as i though, eclipse isn't installed |
| 07:45.48 | Dr_Heckle | :) |
| 07:45.50 | wols | so what happens if you try to upgrade to helios |
| 07:45.52 | tvm | with proper sources.list it will do what you want. |
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| 07:46.34 | jelly-home | Dr_Heckle: you might want to get help with ubuntu in the correct channel, #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server |
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| 07:46.41 | wols | ,versions eclipse |
| 07:46.42 | judd | Package eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; wheezy: 3.5.2-9; sid: 3.5.2-10 |
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| 07:49.12 | sephii | I followed the "configure udev" part of the following guide : http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs udev doesn't create the link in /dev. Any hint ? |
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| 07:49.22 | Dr_Heckle | that is "Package eclipse is not installed, so not removed" |
| 07:49.23 | Dr_Heckle | wols: no updates found |
| 07:49.23 | Dr_Heckle | and yes, i did follow the instructions from eclipse, Ubuntu/Debian does not offer Helios on their repositories |
| 07:49.25 | Dr_Heckle | i guess what I'd like to know is, do you see anything being removed by "remove eclipse*" that looks like it's important to the system? ESPECIALLY: do you see any thing important to the system in the list of pkgs no longer needed (remove w/ autoremove) |
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| 08:08.56 | SmokeyD | hey everyone, is there a way to show all the packages that I have installed from a certain repository? |
| 08:09.07 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 08:09.08 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 08:09.08 | SmokeyD | I have two repositories with one having newer versions of the same software as the other. I installed the newer versions but downgraded again to the old versions. Now i want to see if there are any packages still installed from the new version. |
| 08:09.50 | SmokeyD | abrotman, ok, cool, I will check those scripts |
| 08:09.52 | SmokeyD | thanks |
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| 08:11.24 | SmokeyD | abrotman, that was a good tip. Thanks a lot |
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| 08:21.26 | dropnees | hello I am trying to get my webcam to work. I have the gspca module loaded, but when I plug the cam in, dmesg dosen't show it actually loading the drivers. There is no /dev/video* either |
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| 08:21.42 | dropnees | should I rebuild my kernel with it enabled |
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| 08:31.11 | wols | dropnees: what's the point if you have the module loaded before you plug in the webcam? |
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| 08:31.54 | themill | dropnees: I take it that you're sure that gspca is the right driver for it |
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| 08:34.32 | abrotman | shaggy2: iptables doesn't ? |
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| 08:35.01 | dropnees | themill: I looked it up and it says |
| 08:35.31 | dropnees | themill: I looked it up and it says it will be under gspca |
| 08:35.38 | shaggy2 | I wanted something with an easy gui or atleast a web based gui that made it a little less confusing, as I am not currently that good with linux networking |
| 08:35.53 | dropnees | wols: when I plug the webcam in nothing happens, no led light up and dmesg dosen't load the specific driver |
| 08:36.05 | abrotman | shaggy2: there are a few frontends .. i've been told shorewall is easy for beginners |
| 08:36.22 | dropnees | spca5xx/LE gspca v4l1/v4l2 |
| 08:36.48 | shaggy2 | thank you abrotman |
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| 08:38.05 | dropnees | Bus 002 Device 005: ID 046d:08a2 Logitech, Inc. Labtec Webcam Pro |
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| 08:40.38 | MeglaW | i cant get my webcam working... i have a logitech fusion.. lspci & stuff -> http://pastebin.com/H5L0msZp |
| 08:40.42 | wols | dropnees: tried loading the driver manually? |
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| 08:41.20 | dropnees | wols: I have modprobe gspca-main. My kernel (voyage linux based on deian) says that it is already built in |
| 08:41.33 | wols | !based on debian |
| 08:41.33 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 08:42.23 | dropnees | wols: its debian but my question is focoused, how would you do this on debian |
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| 08:44.46 | dropnees | i modporbe uvcvideo, gspca-main yet it cannont load it autmoatically. It worked in ubuntu |
| 08:44.57 | abrotman | dropnees: this channel does not support non-Debian distros .. please use the correct channel |
| 08:45.18 | abrotman | !voyage |
| 08:45.19 | dpkg | Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian> targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing list. http://linux.voyage.hk/ Not supported in #debian. |
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| 08:51.16 | superlinux | I'd love someone explain me the purpose of named pipes. |
| 08:51.20 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 08:52.25 | wols | does this sound like homework? |
| 08:53.02 | themill | superlinux: first hit on google is the wikipedia page which answer that question in the first paragraph. |
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| 08:53.14 | jelly-home | nowai |
| 08:55.47 | superlinux | themill, thanks |
| 08:55.58 | wols | damn. didn't know that named pipes are actual filesystem object that are persistent :0 |
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| 08:57.31 | romgo | Hello, I'm looking to use pam_filter with libpam_ldapd des anyone know if this is possible ? |
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| 08:59.48 | Guthur | when using the netinst cd does it usually hang for a while after selecting install from the initial menu? |
| 09:01.08 | abrotman | define "awhile" ? |
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| 09:01.42 | Guthur | well at least 5 mins now |
| 09:01.53 | gnarface | that's not normal |
| 09:01.57 | Guthur | I suspect things are not going well |
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| 09:02.24 | gnarface | Guthur: i was having a similar problem with squeeze on an old p3 system with integrated intel video onboard. |
| 09:02.26 | Guthur | does it try to connect to the internet at that point |
| 09:02.28 | superlinux | themill, that was a very nice explanation. |
| 09:02.34 | superlinux | thanks. |
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| 09:02.46 | Guthur | gnarface: any resolution |
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| 09:03.28 | gnarface | Guthur: you're talking about the install option from the very first menu after the cd rom finishes booting up right? and you're talking about squeeze, right? |
| 09:03.39 | adac | how to measure disk performace? what is a good tool? Since it seems I have a lot of cpu iowait I wanted to measure I/O response time of the HD |
| 09:04.20 | Guthur | gnarface: yep, and yep |
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| 09:04.56 | gnarface | adac: did you check out iotop? |
| 09:05.24 | gnarface | Guthur: whats the hardware? |
| 09:05.44 | Guthur | ah crumbs I think I see the issue |
| 09:06.03 | Guthur | I tried expert install, I think I selected the wrong CPU, doh |
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| 09:06.37 | Guthur | says, this kernel requires x86-64 detected i686 |
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| 09:07.02 | Arrowmaster | did you download an amd64 iso? |
| 09:07.16 | adac | gnarface, http://pastie.org/1915213 strange! |
| 09:07.32 | Guthur | Arrowmaster: yep |
| 09:07.45 | Arrowmaster | then you need to get an i386 one instead |
| 09:07.47 | gnarface | adac: aak! that's not good. what happened to your python install? |
| 09:08.03 | Guthur | I initial tried the i386 but could not mount it |
| 09:08.10 | Guthur | the image must have got corrupt |
| 09:08.16 | adac | gnarface, good question ;) |
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| 09:08.52 | adac | gnarface, oh bu i can run it on the physical machine for now |
| 09:08.55 | adac | that is fine too |
| 09:09.04 | adac | but what can i read out of it gnarface ? |
| 09:09.16 | sephii | (I'm asking again because I didn't get any answer): I followed the "configure udev" part of the following guide : http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs but udev doesn't create the link in /dev. Any hint ? |
| 09:09.28 | Guthur | if i try to mount the i386 (using VB) it says 'Could not get storage format' |
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| 09:09.43 | gnarface | Guthur: VB? |
| 09:09.48 | Guthur | virtual box |
| 09:09.49 | Arrowmaster | vbox |
| 09:09.54 | Guthur | ah yes |
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| 09:10.23 | Arrowmaster | do you have an md5sum or sha1sum prog handy? |
| 09:10.47 | Arrowmaster | if not just redownload it |
| 09:10.53 | gnarface | adac: it should be something like top, only intelling you the current percentage of cpu usage and memory usage by every process, it tells you the current io bandwidth of each proces |
| 09:10.55 | Guthur | this is windows, I have nothing, blind deaf and dumb |
| 09:11.27 | Guthur | I have a quick connection here at work, I'll try redownloading |
| 09:11.29 | gnarface | s/intelling/instead of telling |
| 09:11.40 | adac | gnarface, ok i see! thank you |
| 09:11.57 | latsami | Hi, I bought several years ago an Epson scanner, it worked fine on Ubuntu. Now I use debian squeeze, the scanner is detected by sane-find-scanner but says it is not supported by SANE. any clue? |
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| 09:12.31 | gnarface | adac: disk write, disk read, swap, % of total, etc. i'm not sure if that's what you wanted --- if you want benchmarking utiltities try bonnie++ |
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| 09:15.38 | adac | gnarface, I'm not rellay sure by myslef what i do need. Here: http://www.ee.pw.edu.pl/~pileckip/aix/iowait.htm it says the following: |
| 09:15.47 | adac | gnarface, So, how do you identify an I/O problem if you can't rely on %iowait? The best way is to measure I/O response times using filemon. As a rule of thumb, read/write time should average 15-20 ms on non-cached disk subsystems. On cached disk subsystems, reads should average 5-20 ms, and writes should average 2-3 ms. Higher response times indicate the storage subsystem is possibly overloaded. |
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| 09:20.32 | gnarface | adac: aix?! |
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| 09:21.25 | jelly | gnarface: disks are same everywhere |
| 09:22.02 | adac | gnarface, guess jelly is right. however filemon does not exist in debian :) |
| 09:22.08 | jelly | iostat -x 1 does |
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| 09:22.16 | Guthur | umm, must have been a bad download |
| 09:23.00 | Guthur | I think that is the first time that has ever happened, for me |
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| 09:23.57 | linux_inferno | can someone help me with my chroot jailed sftp setup? |
| 09:24.00 | adac | jelly, sysstat contains iostat. is sysstat a deamon? mean does it collect in background when i install it? |
| 09:25.39 | jelly | adac: there is one accounting daemon in the package but I don't remember the name |
| 09:26.10 | jelly | I prefer atop for historical data these days |
| 09:26.49 | adac | jelly: seems that /etc/init.d/sysstat has been installed |
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| 09:27.10 | adac | no clue what it does actually |
| 09:27.11 | adac | ;) |
| 09:27.12 | jelly | it can be disabled |
| 09:28.36 | adac | jelly, update-rc.d mydaemon ... |
| 09:30.04 | linux_inferno | I am trying to setup chrooted sftp users and everytime I try to connect, I get an error and if I "tail" /var/log/auth.log it shows May 17 00:25:02 sphynx sshd[5134]: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/public/upload" |
| 09:30.18 | linux_inferno | but the directory is 777 and owned by the user |
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| 09:33.55 | elfranne | i am playing around with LVM on a debian.... is there a meaning that the lvm, partition is extended nd not primary |
| 09:33.57 | elfranne | ? |
| 09:33.57 | Arrowmaster | linux_inferno: use 755 |
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| 09:34.40 | SparFux | How to reset a web page in iceweasel? |
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| 09:35.22 | Arrowmaster | linux_inferno: and the directory needs to be owned by root |
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| 09:37.38 | guardian | would you (as in you experienced debian sysadmins) recommend etckeeper? i'm just a coder using git and googled for something that would track my configuration changes and stumbled upon etckeeper |
| 09:37.40 | linux_inferno | Arrowmaster: ahhh crap your right, It needs to be set as root because thats what SSHD runs as right? |
| 09:37.59 | Arrowmaster | guardian: yeah etckeeper is good |
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| 09:38.35 | Arrowmaster | linux_inferno: yeah check sshd_config man page |
| 09:39.00 | gnarface | linux_inferno: i think you want it to NOT be 777 also. |
| 09:39.19 | guardian | Arrowmaster: any competitor to etckeeper worth looking at as well? |
| 09:39.27 | Arrowmaster | not that i know of |
| 09:39.48 | gnarface | guardian: i just use tar... but etckeeper will help you automate a bit more |
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| 09:40.09 | linux_inferno | gnarface: I changed it from 755 to 777 to see if i could get it to work. the problem was that it needed to be owned by root. For security sake it will be back to 755 though |
| 09:40.15 | linux_inferno | DERP! |
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| 09:40.58 | Keefe | i am having trouble with tcpdump. i'm almost 100% sure it has worked fine for me on this pc in the past, but now i get the error "tcpdump: can't create rx ring on packet socket: Cannot allocate memory" |
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| 09:41.16 | Keefe | i checked ram use with free. seems ok |
| 09:41.45 | guardian | thx for the answers guys |
| 09:41.49 | Keefe | what should i check next? |
| 09:42.06 | nsadmin | the next thing to check. |
| 09:42.12 | linux_inferno | lol |
| 09:42.29 | linux_inferno | check the next part |
| 09:43.35 | SparFux | icedtea6-plugin hangs my whole iceweasel! :-( |
| 09:43.40 | linux_inferno | hey Keefe your kernel's raw socket interface might not support PF_PACKET |
| 09:44.12 | Keefe | i'm almost certain i've used tcpdump on this kernel before... |
| 09:44.44 | Keefe | if this were windows, i'd reboot without much thought, and it'd probably fix it :) |
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| 09:44.54 | linux_inferno | http://seclists.org/tcpdump/2009/q4/20 |
| 09:44.58 | linux_inferno | Keefe: |
| 09:45.03 | latsami | Hi, I bought several years ago an Epson scanner, it worked fine on Ubuntu. Now I use debian squeeze, the scanner is detected by sane-find-scanner but says it is not supported by SANE. any clue? |
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| 09:45.53 | neocrust | Hi! I have a question for developers. When a Gnome3 come in Debian Testing? |
| 09:46.20 | nsadmin | Keefe, how much stuff do you have already running? (this is a longshot, maybe not worth pursuing) |
| 09:47.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: gnome 3 |
| 09:47.34 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Kamping_Kaiser |
| 09:47.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm |
| 09:47.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: gnome3 |
| 09:47.40 | dpkg | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 09:47.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | neocrust: ^^ |
| 09:48.04 | neocrust | Because I Hate Gnome3)) I love gnome2) |
| 09:49.44 | neocrust | dpkg, thanks.. In other words, when all packages will be up-to-date, Gnome3 come in Testing? |
| 09:49.44 | dpkg | neocrust: de rien |
| 09:49.54 | Keefe | nsadmin: hard to answer that. it's a headless box, with just a few things running (irssi, apache, proftpd, dnsmasq, and a couple other network related stuff). no X or window manager. 96mb ram, swap on |
| 09:50.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | neocrust: pretty much |
| 09:50.41 | neocrust | Kamping_Kaiser, =( Thanks |
| 09:50.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | neocrust: np :/ |
| 09:52.12 | nsadmin | hmm, 96 mb |
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| 09:53.51 | Keefe | nsadmin: oh wtf... i think swap is actually off, lol. i'll fix that first... |
| 09:54.14 | Guthur | anyone notice that if you retry setting up the package manager 4 times with the netinst it hangs |
| 09:54.17 | nsadmin | free should tell you |
| 09:55.23 | nsadmin | Guthur, so... this installer does squeeze I suppose |
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| 09:56.17 | Guthur | nsadmin: yeah it's squeeze |
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| 09:57.05 | Guthur | i'm having trouble setting up the proxy, which is how I noticed the issue |
| 09:58.41 | WormFood | how do I determine what repo a specific installed package comes from? |
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| 09:59.09 | nsadmin | maybe apt-cache policy <pkg> |
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| 09:59.47 | WormFood | that seems to do the trick, thanks nsadmin ;) |
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| 10:01.21 | Keefe | nsadmin: bingo. swap broke somehow. fixed that and now tcpdump runs fine. i should have looked more closely at free's output. i just assumed swap was still ok since it wasn't that long ago (few months) i turned it on |
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| 10:03.08 | Keefe | thanks for pointing me back at a memory issue. i got off on a tangent after googling and finding stuff unrelated to low-mem |
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| 10:06.17 | nsadmin | is this your gw? |
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| 10:16.32 | Keefe | nsadmin: yes |
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| 10:26.33 | deadbeef | guys i've a problem, debian is damn slow here http://bellard.org/jslinux/ |
| 10:26.40 | deadbeef | maybe it's time you guys optimize it a bit |
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| 10:30.11 | nsadmin | Keefe, then you might want to consider not running services (ftp, htto) |
| 10:30.30 | deadbeef | thanks |
| 10:31.04 | Keefe | for security reasons? |
| 10:31.07 | nsadmin | instead forward ports to a machine inside |
| 10:31.10 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 10:37.19 | tuxcrafter | hi all |
| 10:37.34 | tuxcrafter | i am trying to mkfs.ext4 a filesystem in a chroot |
| 10:37.36 | tuxcrafter | but |
| 10:37.37 | tuxcrafter | mkfs.ext4: Can't check if filesystem is mounted due to missing mtab file |
| 10:37.50 | tuxcrafter | and then the mkfs commands stops |
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| 10:41.12 | ov3rmind | hi :) |
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| 10:43.08 | bvs | tuxcrafter, cp /proc/mounts /etc/mtab |
| 10:44.22 | tuxcrafter | bvs: woot thx |
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| 10:45.18 | speakman | hi folks |
| 10:45.19 | tuxcrafter | bvs: now i am sure the right mkfs.ext4 version will be used |
| 10:46.05 | tuxcrafter | bvs: it works |
| 10:46.11 | speakman | I've "lost" one disk of two in a software mirror raid. According to smartctl there is nothing wrong with the disk, but how do I re-insert it into the array? or unmark the fault flag? |
| 10:46.24 | tuxcrafter | speakman: re-add |
| 10:46.52 | tuxcrafter | mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --re-add /dev/sdm1 |
| 10:46.57 | tuxcrafter | speakman: ^ example |
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| 10:48.56 | speakman | tuxcrafter: mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy |
| 10:49.07 | speakman | tuxcrafter: this is my status; http://pastebin.com/0zhxE4HF |
| 10:49.22 | tuxcrafter | speakman: then something did happen |
| 10:49.30 | tuxcrafter | if the device is busy |
| 10:49.36 | tuxcrafter | maybe the storage link crashed |
| 10:49.38 | speakman | how can I tell what? |
| 10:49.48 | tuxcrafter | syslog dmesg messages |
| 10:49.59 | tuxcrafter | remove the faulty device |
| 10:50.13 | speakman | dmesg is flooded by stupid netfilter messages :( |
| 10:50.14 | tuxcrafter | mdadm /dev/md2 --fail /dev/sdn1 --remove /dev/sdn1 |
| 10:50.18 | tuxcrafter | speakman: & example |
| 10:50.24 | tuxcrafter | speakman: ^ example |
| 10:50.43 | speakman | tuxcrafter: seems to work! |
| 10:50.48 | tuxcrafter | and then do a mdadm --manage /dev/md2 --add /dev/sdp1 |
| 10:50.55 | tuxcrafter | speakman: ^ example! |
| 10:51.01 | tuxcrafter | no read |
| 10:51.07 | speakman | read? |
| 10:51.08 | tuxcrafter | no re-add let is sync completely |
| 10:51.44 | tuxcrafter | you may need to remove the metadata first |
| 10:51.51 | speakman | it's recovering! :) |
| 10:51.59 | tuxcrafter | speakman: ack |
| 10:52.05 | speakman | finished in 153 min... hehe :) |
| 10:52.22 | speakman | Can I speed it up? It's not a very busy server :) |
| 10:52.32 | tuxcrafter | yes and no |
| 10:52.36 | tuxcrafter | short answer no |
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| 10:52.40 | speakman | lol ok |
| 10:52.58 | romgo | Hello |
| 10:53.38 | romgo | I'm trying to configure openldap server (slapd) on squeeze, But when I load my configuration openldap is not starting anymore. |
| 10:53.47 | speakman | tuxcrafter: thanks alot for your help! very appreciated! |
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| 10:53.50 | romgo | I guess I have something wrong in my configuration |
| 10:54.10 | romgo | slapcat is saying bad configuration file! |
| 10:54.56 | romgo | and I have the following line from debug : str2entry: invalid value for attributeType objectClass #1 (syntax 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.38) |
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| 11:06.40 | ov3rmind | hi dpkg :)!:) |
| 11:10.05 | unforgiven512 | Can I send mail from various domains using one installation of postfix? |
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| 11:10.53 | wols | yes. declare a maxil exchange for the domains |
| 11:11.45 | unforgiven512 | Hmm, never really had to manage my own email before |
| 11:12.03 | unforgiven512 | I've got 2 domains right now, site1.com and site2.com -- both use Google Apps for email |
| 11:12.29 | unforgiven512 | I just want to make sure php scripts on site1 send from "app@site1.com" and scripts on site2 send from "otherapp@site2.com" |
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| 11:16.09 | wols | if you use google for your mailer, the what is the problen? then google sends stuff for you not yourself anymore |
| 11:17.46 | themill | unforgiven512: you'd be setting that in the From header in the mail that you generate in php |
| 11:18.10 | speakman | unforgiven512: you could just use Google SMTP for sending mail, instead of hosting your own MTA. You will probably not succeed anyway since Google utilized SPF. |
| 11:18.17 | speakman | utilize even |
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| 11:21.51 | unforgiven512 | speakman: I can already send mail, but it's showing up as from my FQDN |
| 11:21.57 | unforgiven512 | rather than just "site.com" |
| 11:22.06 | unforgiven512 | ie: superbox.site.com |
| 11:22.42 | speakman | unforgiven512: you will probably not be able to send mail from any google app domain. |
| 11:22.51 | speakman | unforgiven512: unless they're badly configured |
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| 11:23.24 | themill | speakman: not at all. |
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| 11:24.54 | themill | unforgiven512: you need to look at the configuration of whatever php app this is (or the php code itself) and see where it generates the From address for the email. Change that. You may need to update your SPF records in DNS but that's an entirely different problem. |
| 11:25.35 | speakman | themill: you're right it's not impossible. But it should be taken into account. |
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| 11:25.58 | themill | speakman: if you've not configured SPF in your DNS yourself, you shouldn't have any trouble |
| 11:26.06 | speakman | The simple way must be using their respectively google app account imap settings? |
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| 11:26.16 | BrixSat | hello how do i upgrade my lenny to the latest stable version? |
| 11:26.37 | wols | !tell BrixSat about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:26.43 | speakman | themill: true, but Google recommends setting SPF when you set up your app account. Most folks probably have. |
| 11:26.51 | themill | speakman: yeah, you could teach your local MTA how to do SMTP-auth to the google SMTP servers |
| 11:26.54 | MrFrood | BrixSat: have you read the topic? |
| 11:26.55 | speakman | !tell me about lenny->squeese |
| 11:26.56 | speakman | !tell me about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:27.07 | wols | !tell speakman about msgthebot |
| 11:27.12 | speakman | :) |
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| 11:27.37 | BrixSat | wols: if i understood right i have to remove all backports and then change lenny to squeeze in the sources file? |
| 11:28.25 | sKeiths | I tried installing apache tomcat 5.5 but it tells me no jdk found. http://paste.debian.net/117179/ Has anyone come accross this before. is apptitude not supposed to install the dependicies of a program. any hints appreciated |
| 11:29.12 | sKeiths | errors on line 110 - 119 so you dont need to search for it. |
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| 11:33.05 | themill | sKeiths: which jdk do you want to use? sun or openjdk? |
| 11:33.42 | sKeiths | is either in the sources already or do i need to uncomment sources |
| 11:35.05 | unforgiven512 | speakman: How is it sending mail, then? |
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| 11:35.21 | sKeiths | open jdk installing. i'll let you know how it gets on. |
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| 11:35.34 | themill | sKeiths: "aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk" should work for you just fine without changing your sources.list. You may wish to run "update-java-alternatives" to see what jres are installaed and tell it to pick one so there's a consistent set |
| 11:36.04 | sKeiths | okay, i'll try that. |
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| 11:38.03 | sKeiths | java-6-openjdk 1061 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk & java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj . should i aptitude remove the 2nd one |
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| 11:40.21 | themill | sKeiths: you might find that there are other things that would complain; it only takes up disk space. |
| 11:40.41 | sKeiths | okay, i thought it might conflict. |
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| 11:41.12 | sKeiths | i removed tomcat5.5 and installed again, no errors this time. thanks very much themill |
| 11:41.51 | themill | dpkg, congratulate sKeiths |
| 11:41.51 | dpkg | Good show sKeiths, you did it! |
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| 11:53.34 | crs | Hi, I am getting a byte order not compatible errer from Storage.pm while running diskstats plugin for munin - is there a know fix for it? |
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| 11:56.24 | wols | crs: have you checked bts? |
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| 11:59.45 | superlinux | hi. is there a way to get the md5sum of a remote file without downloading it, knowing that the md5sum value was not given earlier? |
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| 12:00.33 | superlinux | hi. is there a way to get the md5sum of a remote file without downloading it, knowing that the md5sum value was not calculated and saved earlier in some other file? |
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| 12:01.30 | themill | wonders if #debian is still doing superlinux's homework |
| 12:02.18 | superlinux | themill, is that considered a homework thingy? I wonder too. I ask cos I simply donno. |
| 12:02.44 | superlinux | i'll google it. |
| 12:03.22 | themill | superlinux: it just sounded like a homework question :) if you can ssh to the remote machine, then use ssh machine md5sum â¦. (man ssh for details) |
| 12:03.49 | superlinux | themill, no I cannot |
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| 12:04.03 | superlinux | I can just download them |
| 12:04.57 | superlinux | i'll see if PHP can offer me that option. the server is not mine and I might be downloading similar files. |
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| 12:08.10 | superlinux | themill, it looks like , by all means, I /must/ download the target file. |
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| 12:08.51 | wols | superlinux: can you start programes remote on that server or do you have a way to upload and run (like php) programs on that server? |
| 12:08.52 | themill | superlinux: the md5sum can only be calculated from the entire file, so either you need to get something serverside to do it for you, or you need to download the entire file and do it clientside. |
| 12:09.00 | wols | if you do, you can md5sum it, if not you can't |
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| 12:10.50 | superlinux | just simply the server is not mine. any way I got the theme over here. "I must download the files" |
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| 12:12.08 | gnarface | superlinux: sorry just jumped into this conversation, but if its a webserver you have no ssh access to, you can often still execute remote commands through uploaded php scripts. its a bit ghetto but if you know php it should be easy to get your md5sum |
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| 12:13.00 | gnarface | php can execute shell commands and retrieve the stdout, so if md5sum is installed on the remote server you can accomplish this with just ftp access |
| 12:13.08 | superlinux | ture! |
| 12:13.30 | gnarface | (really ghetto though - if you seriously don't have ssh your client or whoever owns this machine really needs a better isp) |
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| 12:14.22 | superlinux | i must find a free online LAMP server cos I want to know which files that are not duplicates. i'll let it waste these bytes. |
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| 12:17.37 | gnarface | superlinux: i'm not sure wtf you're trying to accomplish, but my professional advice to you is that you should consider learning how to set up your own lamp server locally |
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| 12:18.43 | superlinux | gnarface, I know how, but the download quota over here in Lebanon is on 3GB for 256kbps |
| 12:18.57 | superlinux | is only that! |
| 12:19.03 | superlinux | anyway thanks. |
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| 12:24.56 | gnarface | ouch |
| 12:25.00 | gnarface | 3gb |
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| 12:26.03 | MrFrood | and I thought 9GB in Bahrain was poor... |
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| 12:27.05 | ari-tczew | is there a dedicated channel for debian development? |
| 12:27.13 | gnarface | and i thought paying 105$/month just to not be capped in the US was sucky |
| 12:27.50 | gnarface | ari-tczew: probably, not sure what it is though. |
| 12:27.53 | gnarface | !ops |
| 12:27.53 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 12:27.58 | gnarface | !dev |
| 12:28.11 | gnarface | !development |
| 12:28.14 | gnarface | !channels |
| 12:28.16 | gnarface | eh |
| 12:28.23 | MrFrood | ari-tczew: on oftc |
| 12:28.26 | gnarface | i dunno, sorry ari-tczew but it exists |
| 12:28.35 | ari-tczew | gnarface: I mean a channel similiar like #ubuntu-devel has got |
| 12:28.57 | MrFrood | ari-tczew: yes but it is on the oftc server |
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| 12:29.13 | gnarface | ari-tczew: go ask in #debian-next on oftc maybe someone will know there. that's not the right channel i don't think but there's a better chance that someone there will know |
| 12:29.23 | gnarface | this is just a support channel |
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| 12:29.38 | thegoodcushion | I'm trying to understand this page: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata Does this mean that after I install 6.0.0, I'll need to manually edit the sources file to enable debian to download security updates? |
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| 12:31.04 | gnarface | thegoodcushion: just pastebin your current sources file and i'll tell you what to change it to |
| 12:31.18 | thegoodcushion | gnarface: actually I haven't installed it yet |
| 12:31.25 | thegoodcushion | I'm trying to decide whether I want stable or unstable |
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| 12:32.15 | gnarface | thegoodcushion: i forget whether stable adds the security source by default or not. i know that there isn't one for unstable. in general though if you have to ask you should use stable and just rely on backports if you need newer drivers/etc |
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| 12:32.51 | themill | thegoodcushion: security.d.o is added by the installer to your sources.list if there is a network connection detected at install time. Otherwise, the entry is there but commented out. |
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| 12:33.39 | thegoodcushion | ok thanks themill |
| 12:33.39 | johndo | is there any diff tool in debian which can compare source trees and ignore subversion keywords? |
| 12:34.00 | thegoodcushion | johndo: wouldn't you want a subversion command for that? |
| 12:34.38 | johndo | thegoodcushion: i would prefer a graphical view where i can click through the tree ;) |
| 12:34.42 | thegoodcushion | Another question: I have an HP Deskjet 2000 that works perfectly with OS X and Windows 7. It doesn't work with Ubuntu 10.04 or 10.10. Is there any chance it'll work with debian stable or unstable? |
| 12:35.13 | themill | thegoodcushion: openprinting.org is normally the place to find out these things |
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| 12:37.40 | themill | thegoodcushion: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/hp/hp-2000c says that hplip supports it; hplip is in the debian repositories. |
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| 12:39.31 | thegoodcushion | themill: that's good to know |
| 12:40.13 | themill | thegoodcushion: you could always try out a live cd. /msg dpkg live |
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| 12:40.33 | thegoodcushion | yeah, that's a good idea |
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| 12:44.39 | thegoodcushion | Is the stable version the present recommendation? |
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| 12:44.49 | dvs | always |
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| 13:08.32 | philluminati | I've run into some difficulty installing catalyst for perl in debian |
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| 13:10.43 | rypervenche | I run Debian 6.0.1 with an Nvidia graphics card. Do the nouveau drivers support 3D? I would like to use a free driver is possible, but I'd still like something that works. |
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| 13:11.07 | wols | rypervenche: they don't support 3D in debian squeeze |
| 13:11.15 | wols | if they support 3D at all, depends on your chipset |
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| 13:22.38 | mwarning | hi, I have a problem |
| 13:22.44 | mwarning | nvm. :p |
| 13:22.54 | dvs | oooooooooook |
| 13:23.02 | wols | good problem. me approves |
| 13:23.33 | DjamOlsky | hi all |
| 13:23.58 | thegoodcushion | everyone, is there an official stable debian that will fit on a CD? |
| 13:24.06 | thegoodcushion | the one I found was 1.1 gig and I don't have any blank DVDs |
| 13:24.13 | nevyn | thegoodcushion: there's netinst |
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| 13:24.28 | wols | thegoodcushion: CD1 is 700MB and fits exactly on a CD... |
| 13:24.29 | nevyn | but you need networking at install time to install the remaining bits. |
| 13:24.34 | thegoodcushion | sure |
| 13:24.36 | thegoodcushion | link? |
| 13:24.49 | themill | thegoodcushion: there are several cd images that are CD-sized. (I doubt there are any official install images that are 1.1GB, actually) |
| 13:24.55 | vtts | http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 13:24.56 | wols | nevyn: no you don't. and you need always some media or network to install stuff that is not on your media |
| 13:25.33 | wols | thegoodcushion: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/ |
| 13:25.47 | thegoodcushion | is that a live CD? Can I run it without installing it? |
| 13:25.55 | wols | no those aren't live cds |
| 13:26.04 | thegoodcushion | I'm trying to see if my printer will work first |
| 13:26.06 | thegoodcushion | before committing |
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| 13:27.05 | themill | http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 13:27.19 | thegoodcushion | right, but they won't fit on a CD |
| 13:27.26 | wols | themill: and those are up to the 1.1G size thegoodcushion mentioned... |
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| 13:27.48 | themill | (they're not the installer) |
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| 13:27.54 | wols | themill: are these live CDs "official"? |
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| 13:28.29 | wols | thegoodcushion: tried the lxde one? 750MB. tho: the live cds most probably don't have your special printer drivers onboard. probably no live cd does |
| 13:28.40 | thegoodcushion | right |
| 13:28.44 | thegoodcushion | so I have to commit to it... |
| 13:28.56 | AntiVigilante | ok how do I change these in memory /var directories to on disk? |
| 13:29.05 | wols | have you considered trying it all in a VM like virtualbox? |
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| 13:29.23 | AntiVigilante | not every debian is a server or a reliable machine |
| 13:29.37 | wols | thegoodcushion: no need to actually commit, all that's lost is some time, and since VBox can use host USB devices, the printer should do fine |
| 13:29.38 | themill | AntiVigilante: context? |
| 13:29.47 | AntiVigilante | i can easily lose net access by installing the wrong update |
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| 13:30.02 | wols | starts smelling something |
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| 13:30.05 | webad_13 | I made a script where files are downloaded through ftp... however I made it in such a way that I need to wait until one file is downloaded to start downloading the new one. How could I make it to be done in parallel? http://pastebin.com/V0jnYb09 |
| 13:30.08 | AntiVigilante | if /var/cache is in memory then I don't have previuous versions |
| 13:30.11 | themill | thegoodcushion: you can install packages on the live cd |
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| 13:30.20 | thegoodcushion | AntiVigilante: that happened to Ubuntu one time. A kernel update knocked out internet access for many people and we couldn't update our machines |
| 13:30.21 | themill | AntiVigilante: debian doesn't put /var/cache in memory |
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| 13:30.36 | AntiVigilante | really what' |
| 13:30.45 | AntiVigilante | really what's this: |
| 13:30.58 | themill | AntiVigilante: and if you want stability, run stable. |
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| 13:31.13 | AntiVigilante | /dev/mapper/enneagram-var |
| 13:31.14 | AntiVigilante | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.16 | AntiVigilante | none 2031708 859000 1172708 43% /var/cache |
| 13:31.30 | AntiVigilante | the machine isn't stable |
| 13:31.54 | AntiVigilante | for what i do the latest stuff is necessary |
| 13:32.04 | themill | sure |
| 13:32.37 | AntiVigilante | so why is /var/cache in ram? |
| 13:32.47 | AntiVigilante | and /var/log it seems as well |
| 13:32.48 | themill | AntiVigilante: presumably because you configured it that way |
| 13:32.49 | wols | AntiVigilante: cause you or whoever installed your machine made it so |
| 13:33.13 | AntiVigilante | i didn't configure it - how do i unconfigure it |
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| 13:33.59 | AntiVigilante | wols the udev switchover did it I had to reverse it some how |
| 13:34.10 | smallchange | names |
| 13:34.26 | wols | what is a "udev switchover"? |
| 13:34.36 | rypervenche | I would like to get rid of all of the proprietary software on my computer, save for maybe my nvidia driver. I hear that converting lossy formats renders the output worse quality. Would I lose a lot of quality if I converted all of my mp3s to oggs? |
| 13:34.41 | wols | it's pretty easy to have something not in a RAMdisk: just don't mount it in RAM |
| 13:35.28 | AntiVigilante | wols i can;t find the setting it's being done elsewhere instead of /etc/fstab |
| 13:35.30 | wols | rypervenche: that's a subjective question. depends even on the type of music, the bitrate, your ears, etc. not really answerable |
| 13:35.31 | nkuttler | rypervenche: converting lossy to lossy doesn't make any sense |
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| 13:36.19 | wols | rypervenche: for decoding, mp3 is "free" anyways. only encoding is patent encumbered for free software like debian |
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| 13:36.36 | AntiVigilante | wols a lot of people actually don't differentiate those things easily |
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| 13:37.06 | AntiVigilante | it's also a development community hazard |
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| 13:37.49 | AntiVigilante | i would convert to flac first |
| 13:37.52 | Bartzy | How do I know the "name" of an archive (to put after "-t" option) in apt ? |
| 13:38.03 | rypervenche | Does Debian have a way to decode mp3s by default then? I put the Debian Multimedia repo on my system right away so I don't know. |
| 13:38.08 | wols | Bartzy: look in your sources.list |
| 13:38.20 | wols | rypervenche: yes |
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| 13:39.21 | Bartzy | wols: Look for what ? |
| 13:39.32 | wols | the names you are looking for? |
| 13:39.49 | wols | look at http://www.backports.org/Instructions/ to learn more |
| 13:39.53 | Bartzy | wols: deb http://php53.dotdeb.org squeeze all - That's the repo. What's the name ? |
| 13:40.14 | wols | obviously: squeeze |
| 13:40.25 | wols | !dotdeb |
| 13:40.25 | dpkg | [dotdeb] for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior.. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 13:40.59 | Bartzy | I didn't ask for support for dotdeb :) just asked what to put in the -t , cause squeeze won't cut it. I want to do aptitude show php5, and get the dotdeb version. |
| 13:41.01 | wols | especially when squeeze has php 5.3 anyways |
| 13:41.09 | Bartzy | or search only in the dotdeb , when using aptitude search |
| 13:41.15 | wols | ,versions php5 |
| 13:41.17 | rypervenche | AntiVigilante: Wouldn't the damage already be done? Converting first to flac then ogg, wouldn't it be the same as directly converting to ogg? |
| 13:41.17 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.6-11 |
| 13:41.25 | wols | so what is your dotdeb version in version numbers? |
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| 13:42.28 | Bartzy | wols: 5.3.6-6~dotdeb.0 |
| 13:42.31 | chegibari | hello |
| 13:43.10 | wols | Bartzy: and now carefully compare this to the squeeze version. apt-cache policy php5 and /msg dpkg pinning |
| 13:43.38 | themill | Bartzy: dealing with dotdeb packages just isn't worth it. It's usually easier to roll your own based on the debian packages if you really actually need to (you rarely actually do need to...). /msg dpkg ssb; /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 13:43.46 | chegibari | I just installed debian. I'd like to use unstable. Do I need to replace "squeeze" with "sid" everywhere in /et/apt/sources.list? Is that all? |
| 13:43.56 | Bartzy | wols: I just asked how to search packages that are available only in dotdeb repo, or some other repo I have in sources.list. |
| 13:44.24 | themill | dpkg: tell chegibari about squeeze->sid |
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| 13:44.57 | themill | Bartzy: have a look at the output of "apt-cache policy". But really... don't use dotdeb, for your own sanity. |
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| 13:46.23 | wols | Bartzy: and I told you |
| 13:47.57 | themill | Bartzy: dotdeb hasn't managed to configure their repo such that you can search for their packages like that. "aptitude search ~Vdotdeb" is as good as it gets. |
| 13:48.03 | rypervenche | In judd's versions, I see squeeze-multimedia. Is that through debian-multimedia.org ? |
| 13:48.12 | themill | yes |
| 13:48.28 | rypervenche | Is that supported by Debian? |
| 13:48.33 | themill | no |
| 13:48.56 | rypervenche | Ah ok, so if I want complete stable, I should get rid of the repository. |
| 13:48.57 | chegibari | actually I just wanted to use haskell on linux and they told me that it's best supported in debian unstable... |
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| 13:50.18 | wols | chegibari: can't you just backport haskell? |
| 13:50.24 | wols | ,versions haskell |
| 13:50.26 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'haskell' was found in i386. |
| 13:50.46 | chegibari | "backport haskell"? |
| 13:50.56 | wols | ,versions haskell |
| 13:50.57 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'haskell' was found in i386. |
| 13:50.58 | wols | doh! |
| 13:50.59 | dkr | Package ghc6 on i386 -- lenny: 6.8.2dfsg1-1.1; squeeze: 6.12.1-13; wheezy: 6.12.1-13; sid: 7.0.3-1 |
| 13:51.13 | wols | thanks, whoever did it |
| 13:51.29 | wols | !tell chegibari about simple sid backport |
| 13:51.30 | chegibari | I was using Ubuntu but the haskell packges in ubuntu are mostly broken |
| 13:51.54 | dkr | aptitude search haskell followed by aptitude show haskell-compiler to see that it came from ghc6 package. heh. (also just ghc in sid) |
| 13:51.55 | chegibari | so they tell me "most people use haskel on debian unstable happily" |
| 13:51.56 | themill | there's almost the same versions in squeeze and sid... that's hardly worth backporting. Also, haskell backporting doesn't look that easy with a pile of libghc6-* packages |
| 13:52.18 | wols | you take the source packages frm debian unstable, compile them and make a .deb frm them in debian stable and run those. all the rest of your software is debian stable, but the one where you need the newest version is from unstable with all its features |
| 13:53.09 | wols | themill: 6.12 and 7.0 looks a bit different, no? |
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| 13:53.48 | themill | wols: err. yeah. I mean "wheezy and squeeze". I'd be hesitant about backporting something from sid that's not migrating for some reason... |
| 13:53.50 | Tom01 | If I want to install an Intel cpu, do I have to remove something from the cooler or should the adhesive pads or wht that is, remain in place? |
| 13:54.14 | chegibari | I don't want to spend my life to re-compiling packages... If something goes terribly wrong I will just create another debian virtual machine |
| 13:54.14 | wols | Tom01: #hardware |
| 13:54.19 | Tom01 | wols: thanks |
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| 13:54.53 | dkr | chegibari: list of differences in the 7.0 upgrade: http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/7.0.1/html/users_guide/release-7-0-1.html |
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| 13:55.37 | chegibari | dkr: why are you linking that page in first place? |
| 13:56.28 | dkr | chegibari: because I was curious as to what the differences between the version in unstable vs stable were and thought you might be, too. |
| 13:56.31 | chegibari | dkr: that has nothing to do with debian unstable |
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| 13:56.42 | rypervenche | wols: I only see libmp3lame0 in the multimedia repo, how does normal Debian decode mp3s? |
| 13:56.53 | dkr | chegibari: I think you are confused |
| 13:56.54 | wols | rypervenche: ffmpeg? |
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| 13:57.35 | chegibari | dkr: I might be. I thought that setting fixing some lines in that file would allow the package manager to access the "unstable" repositories |
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| 13:57.50 | rypervenche | wols: Oh, I see. So the libmp3lame0 is just for encoding? |
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| 13:58.13 | chegibari | dkr: but apparently people is throwing me random documents to read |
| 13:58.24 | chegibari | that is confusing me |
| 13:58.25 | wols | rypervenche: it probably does both. |
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| 13:58.59 | themill | chegibari: what dpkg told you earlier. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy; /msg dpkg wheezy->sid; hope. |
| 13:59.00 | wols | !tmtowtdi |
| 13:59.00 | dpkg | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
| 13:59.19 | franzks | I don't know which debian version to choose |
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| 13:59.28 | franzks | The processor architecture I mean |
| 13:59.32 | wols | franzks: that's easy: debian stable :) |
| 13:59.39 | wols | franzks: what cpu do you have? |
| 13:59.52 | franzks | C2Duo |
| 13:59.55 | franzks | Wolfdale |
| 13:59.58 | wols | amd64 or i386 then |
| 14:00.14 | franzks | Which is more stable? |
| 14:00.16 | franzks | 64bit? |
| 14:00.20 | franzks | I use Win7 64-bit |
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| 14:00.32 | franzks | oh shit lol |
| 14:00.36 | franzks | sorry wols |
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| 14:00.45 | franzks | I am not planning to install these here |
| 14:00.51 | wols | they're the same. with 64bit you can have more problems with proprietary software like flash, java plugin and the like. otherwise they're the same |
| 14:00.56 | franzks | I will be installing on an i5 laptop |
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| 14:01.10 | franzks | so i386 it is then? |
| 14:01.14 | wols | same answer: amd64 or i386 for i5 |
| 14:01.19 | franzks | Ok thanks |
| 14:01.28 | franzks | I just spent 2 days ago installing freebsd on desktop |
| 14:01.34 | franzks | and will install debian on laptop |
| 14:01.37 | franzks | to try out everything |
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| 14:01.52 | rypervenche | i386 for stability I suppose |
| 14:01.58 | franzks | freebsd's learning curve is just so damn steep |
| 14:02.07 | wols | with 4GB RAM or more there is a slight preference for amd64, but with a amd64 kernel can be run on i386 userland or you can run a bigmem kernel |
| 14:02.17 | franzks | I think I had never googled so hard in my life before |
| 14:02.24 | wols | rypervenche: both are stable. if you run real debian |
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| 14:02.37 | franzks | Will the experience be the same? |
| 14:02.45 | franzks | Or is debian a bit more user friendly? |
| 14:03.15 | wols | probably a bit more userfriendly. there is no ports where you have to compile your software yourself. debian is a binary distro |
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| 14:03.28 | wols | !tell franzks about ig |
| 14:03.41 | franzks | Ok thanks |
| 14:04.01 | franzks | When I installed Ubuntu in my laptop before |
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| 14:04.05 | Seth_Hikaru | I need help setting up qingy, I tried it and I got it wrong. |
| 14:04.06 | elfranne | in my opinion there is more user, so more info about debian around on the net |
| 14:04.11 | franzks | I couldn't get the brightness to work |
| 14:04.20 | franzks | I hope I wouldn't face this with debian |
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| 14:04.33 | franzks | My eyes were bleeding, the brightness was 100% all the time |
| 14:04.37 | franzks | Couldn't find a fix |
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| 14:04.53 | Seth_Hikaru | franzks: That's my eyes when I go outside with glasses. |
| 14:04.56 | wols | notebooks are always tricky. ACPI is evil incarnate. but usually, linux is better with notebooks imho |
| 14:05.06 | wols | franzks: what notebook is it? |
| 14:05.11 | Seth_Hikaru | without* |
| 14:05.13 | franzks | Acer4740 |
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| 14:05.22 | franzks | I think it's an unusual model |
| 14:05.31 | franzks | That's why it isn't supported much |
| 14:05.37 | franzks | Or I think it's a regional one |
| 14:05.40 | franzks | only here in asia |
| 14:05.40 | BrixSat | how can i view the type of kernel installed? |
| 14:05.54 | rypervenche | franzks: You probably just need to add a line to your grub. |
| 14:05.55 | franzks | Well thanks for all these info |
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| 14:06.07 | rypervenche | franzks: For the Fn keys |
| 14:06.11 | franzks | I'll download it tonight and install tomorrow |
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| 14:06.27 | franzks | Yeah rypervenche, I was just too lazy back then |
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| 14:06.32 | franzks | But now I am more determined |
| 14:06.42 | rypervenche | ^^ I think I was the same before. |
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| 14:06.48 | franzks | if I was able to google my way through freebsd |
| 14:06.52 | franzks | I think I can handle debian |
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| 14:07.08 | chegibari | do I have to remove the lines with references to dvd-roms? |
| 14:07.08 | franzks | Because I think I beat windows already |
| 14:07.14 | franzks | so to the next level I suppose |
| 14:07.46 | chegibari | I run apt-get update && upget-distupdate as suggested by "dpkg" and it failed |
| 14:07.59 | wols | chegibari: and why did it fail? |
| 14:08.04 | chegibari | it made me change all dvd and THEN it failed |
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| 14:08.21 | themill | did it fail because you typed the wrong command? |
| 14:08.28 | wols | chegibari: we are not psychic. we don't know the error messages you get |
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| 14:08.39 | chegibari | wheez |
| 14:08.41 | chegibari | sorry |
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| 14:09.03 | chegibari | copy and paste doesn't work across the VMWare machine for some reason |
| 14:09.05 | wols | chegibari: show us your sources.list and the command you typed and its output that failed |
| 14:09.07 | chegibari | 1 min |
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| 14:09.23 | Seth_Hikaru | Can anyone help me to set up qingy properly? |
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| 14:09.30 | franzks | Ok guys, cheers |
| 14:09.33 | chegibari | I'll connect aain from the vm machine |
| 14:09.35 | Seth_Hikaru | I need to modify my inittab |
| 14:09.36 | chegibari | again |
| 14:10.37 | AntiVigilante | rypervenche flac gives you an opportunity to go from bigger flac to various bitrates without having to go from mp3 every time and lose quality |
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| 14:10.47 | AntiVigilante | you get a nice reference point |
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| 14:11.30 | wols | AntiVigilante: his source material is mp3 already and mp3 only, so your suggestion is bogus |
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| 14:11.48 | wols | Seth_Hikaru: debian has many excellent editors to help you with this task :) |
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| 14:12.27 | buhman | has that libc bug been fixed from last wednesday in wheezy and sid? |
| 14:13.07 | Seth_Hikaru | wols: No I need to set it up right, I logged out on my x and don't have remote desktop access anymore and I don't wish to disconnect my monitor to switch temporarily so I can log back in since I might need to switch users over terminal and heard qingy works great for this. |
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| 14:13.39 | wols | buhman: bts is an awesome source of information |
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| 14:15.13 | chegibari | there is not even an IRC client installable in debian? |
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| 14:15.23 | wols | Seth_Hikaru: I heard googling "smart questions" or "how to get help on irc" is a great way for people to learn how to ask for help on irc so other people can give meaningufl advice |
| 14:15.32 | wols | chegibari: irssi, x-chat and tons of others |
| 14:15.52 | Seth_Hikaru | wols: Yeah, good idea. Thanks. |
| 14:16.00 | chegibari | I searched for xchat on the package manager, nothing was found |
| 14:16.21 | wols | ,versions xchat |
| 14:16.22 | judd | Package xchat on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; squeeze: 2.8.8-3; sid: 2.8.8-3+b1; wheezy: 2.8.8-3+b1 |
| 14:16.35 | wols | chegibari: your sources.list is most probably misconfigured. |
| 14:16.51 | wols | !tell chegibari about squeeze sources.list |
| 14:17.07 | MrFrood | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xchat |
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| 14:17.56 | chegibari | wols: I restored the original source.list |
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| 14:18.14 | chegibari | wols: queried for "x-chat" instead of "xchat" and got nothing anyway |
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| 14:18.59 | wols | chegibari: that's nice but irrelevant. I told you (well dpkg did) what to put in sources.list. if that's there and you have network access, you get xchat. if it's not, you don't. your choice |
| 14:19.16 | buhman | chegibari: did you apt-get update ? |
| 14:19.34 | wols | also, the original sources.list contains that needed info, IF you set up networking and apt in the installer (it tells you if it fails too) |
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| 14:20.12 | DjamOlsky | hi all |
| 14:20.24 | DjamOlsky | i want to a netinstall from a wheezy build |
| 14:20.33 | DjamOlsky | the latest daily build are not working |
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| 14:20.56 | wols | DjamOlsky: poor you. that's why it's testing and not stable. it's not guaranteed to work, at all |
| 14:20.57 | DjamOlsky | does someone know a build working? |
| 14:20.59 | MrFrood | DjamOlsky: do a minimal squeeze and upgrade |
| 14:21.05 | wols | DjamOlsky: install stable and upgrade to testing |
| 14:21.08 | DjamOlsky | thanks for this aadvice |
| 14:21.17 | DjamOlsky | but I was used to do it like that |
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| 14:21.29 | DjamOlsky | I don't want to test all the build...! |
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| 14:21.40 | wols | DjamOlsky: then use your old ISOs which you are used to |
| 14:21.51 | DjamOlsky | I don't have them :s |
| 14:22.06 | AntiVigilante | DjamOlsky: you don't have to compile anything |
| 14:22.11 | AntiVigilante | here |
| 14:22.20 | DjamOlsky | Yes I know, I am talinkg about the daily builds |
| 14:22.21 | wols | a minimal debian install is 150MB. not the end of the world if you want to run testing anyways |
| 14:22.38 | franzks | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/bt-cd/ |
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| 14:22.46 | franzks | Wtf? |
| 14:22.59 | AntiVigilante | thing is with networking you often have to use testing or unstable |
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| 14:23.08 | franzks | It's a torrent |
| 14:23.10 | thegoodcushion | what's the GNOME version in debian stable? Can I get GNOME 3? |
| 14:23.13 | franzks | But why did they split it up? |
| 14:23.13 | wols | franzks: and? |
| 14:23.27 | DjamOlsky | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/20110517-3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:23.35 | DjamOlsky | this one is broken |
| 14:23.39 | DjamOlsky | the previous as well |
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| 14:23.42 | wols | franzks: cause not everyone wants to download gigabytes of unneeded data. do you really need all 200 editors debian ships with? |
| 14:23.52 | buhman | wols: maybe I'm just using the tracker wrong, but all I can find is irrelevant bugs that are a few dozen years old |
| 14:24.18 | franzks | So what do I need just for a minimal install? |
| 14:24.20 | wols | buhman: you apparently know what the bug/error is, so google or search for that |
| 14:24.22 | franzks | CD1? |
| 14:24.32 | wols | franzks: CD1 or the netinst |
| 14:24.33 | DjamOlsky | or netinst ! |
| 14:24.55 | franzks | Ok thanks! |
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| 14:26.12 | buhman | wols: ahh, found it: bug 626450 ; resolved :) |
| 14:26.36 | buhman | wols: who would have thought to search the bug tracker to figure out if a bug is resolved or not :P |
| 14:27.01 | wols | shocking, I agree |
| 14:27.12 | chegibari | gedit preferences are BLOCKED |
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| 14:27.43 | wols | chegibari: do you mean you can't edit your sources.list? |
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| 14:27.45 | chegibari | I didn't use linux in 5 years and it didn't make one step ahead in usability |
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| 14:28.12 | chegibari | I mean that I'm getting errors from a command and I'm not sure what's the offending line |
| 14:28.24 | wols | !tell chegibari about errors |
| 14:28.52 | wols | chegibari: you must have many psychis in your circle of friends and acquaintances |
| 14:28.57 | thegoodcushion | chegibari: I used Linux in 1998 and I think these days it is slightly more useable |
| 14:28.59 | wols | *psychics |
| 14:29.08 | chegibari | !tell wols about coping long error messages by hand because VMWare tools don't work with debian so no copy and paste |
| 14:29.10 | chegibari | 1 sec |
| 14:29.35 | chegibari | why do you think I'm trying to get xchat in the virtual machine? |
| 14:29.37 | wols | chegibari: have a nice day and good luck |
| 14:29.39 | chegibari | to paste errors here |
| 14:30.25 | chegibari | wols: I'm sorry if you got offended but I just explained why I'm not pasting errors here |
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| 14:31.58 | chegibari | Ubuntu is much more friendly but it shines in some areas and sucks in others (like less popular programming languages) |
| 14:32.16 | chegibari | I'm sorry for the rants |
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| 14:32.27 | thegoodcushion | So why is debian better? |
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| 14:33.52 | chegibari | it's supposed to have better support for those less popular languages |
| 14:33.56 | wols | !tell thegoodcushion about why debian |
| 14:34.03 | iEatChildren | does debian not support lite on dvd roms? |
| 14:34.19 | buhman | !tell buhman about why debian |
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| 14:34.35 | wols | iEatChildren: it does. especially if liteon produces pata or sata drives :) |
| 14:34.37 | karlpinc | !tell buhman about selftell |
| 14:34.48 | wols | supporting sata or pata hostadapters can be trickier |
| 14:34.53 | karlpinc | !tell thegoodcushion about overview |
| 14:35.02 | MrFrood | thegoodcushion: philosophy is why (imho) |
| 14:35.13 | chegibari | I removed all DVD-related lines and added those line from the bot messages |
| 14:35.15 | thegoodcushion | philosophy's not my thing |
| 14:35.17 | chegibari | something's working |
| 14:35.17 | iEatChildren | wols: should i use ubuntu instead or something? |
| 14:35.25 | thegoodcushion | what I want is to code in gcc using gedit and to have it work |
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| 14:35.30 | wols | iEatChildren: you should use whatever you want. your choice |
| 14:35.50 | iEatChildren | i wanted to use debian |
| 14:35.57 | wols | then do |
| 14:36.14 | iEatChildren | it loads the start of the install then tells me "no common cd-rom drive was detected" |
| 14:36.15 | wols | but maybe you should explain your actual problem if you want support frm us |
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| 14:36.44 | iEatChildren | any ideas how i can resolve this? |
| 14:36.45 | wols | how is the CD drive attached? what debian versions did you burn how onto cd? |
| 14:36.48 | karlpinc | iEatChildren: Did you follow the instructions in the install guide? |
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| 14:36.50 | darkwood | how to use debian backports? |
| 14:36.59 | iEatChildren | karlpinc: no...never used an isntall guide to load linux before |
| 14:37.04 | wols | darkwood: backports.org has a very helpful instruction page |
| 14:37.18 | karlpinc | iEatChildren: If you're having problems then it never hurts to read the instructions. |
| 14:37.20 | MrFrood | !tell darkwood about backports |
| 14:37.29 | karlpinc | darkwood: backports.debian.org |
| 14:37.33 | iEatChildren | wols: its a lite on dvd rom |
| 14:37.39 | darkwood | thx, but i dont understaind |
| 14:37.47 | darkwood | i put |
| 14:37.49 | darkwood | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 14:37.52 | wols | iEatChildren: that doesn't answer my question and you already said that |
| 14:38.18 | iEatChildren | i burned debian amd64 and debian i386 on to cd |
| 14:38.19 | darkwood | in list file? shound that be lenny-backports? |
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| 14:38.25 | iEatChildren | i have tried amd64 so far |
| 14:38.45 | karlpinc | darkwood: Do you have squeeze or lenny installed? |
| 14:38.51 | wols | darkwood: not it should not, if you run squeeze you need squeeze backports. if you really run lenny you should upgrade to squeeze instead |
| 14:38.52 | iEatChildren | using an IDE dvd-rom |
| 14:39.01 | darkwood | i have lenny installed |
| 14:39.19 | wols | darkwood: then I suggest you upgrade. better solution to get new software |
| 14:39.20 | chegibari | it's installing xchat!!! |
| 14:39.24 | chegibari | :) |
| 14:39.24 | darkwood | hmm, other than that? |
| 14:39.28 | darkwood | lenny is more stable |
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| 14:39.33 | karlpinc | darkwood: The first thing to do is follow the instructions in the release notes to upgrade to squeeze. |
| 14:39.35 | buhman | iEatChildren: why not just dd bs=1M if=debian[whatever].iso of=/dev/[mass-storage-device] ? |
| 14:39.40 | dvs | chegibari: what'd you do? |
| 14:39.40 | wols | darkwood: you can add lenny-backports to your sources.list instead |
| 14:39.52 | buhman | iEatChildren: it doesn't make sense to burn cds |
| 14:40.05 | wols | buhman: neither does your dd command :P |
| 14:40.07 | darkwood | hmm, what is purpose of using squeezy backports on squeeze version? |
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| 14:40.20 | buhman | wols: eh? |
| 14:40.23 | wols | darkwood: to get newer versions of software than squeeze ships with |
| 14:40.28 | joe6 | since yesterdays' aptitude upgrade on testing, I get this error with the clock applet: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet". |
| 14:40.30 | chegibari | dvs: I managed to find the offending line in sources.list then updated this and that and the synaptic found xchat |
| 14:40.37 | joe6 | any thoughts on how I can fix it? |
| 14:40.37 | karlpinc | darkwood: squeeze is the new stable. |
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| 14:41.06 | wols | buhman: put it another way, you dd command sucks and usually doesn't work (tm) |
| 14:41.17 | MrFrood | joe6: try asking in #debian-next on oftc |
| 14:41.22 | iEatChildren | wols: do you think i would have better luck trying a different cd-rom drive? |
| 14:41.30 | wols | iEatChildren: no |
| 14:41.30 | karlpinc | iEatChildren, buhman: Nothing wrong with burning to cd. It gives you a rescue cd just in case. |
| 14:41.35 | buhman | wols: how? it works every time for me? |
| 14:41.42 | buhman | wols: what are you supposed to do? |
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| 14:42.08 | wols | iEatChildren: let me guess you have a p35 or so mainboard with a c2d and you use the jmicron IDE controller for your CDROM? maybe asus mobo? |
| 14:42.23 | iEatChildren | its a foxconn A74ML-K |
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| 14:42.38 | karlpinc | iEatChildren: You might possibly need non-free firmware. (There are instructions for that in the install guide.) |
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| 14:42.52 | wols | buhman: read the install guide, it tells you how to install. hint: dd an iso to some arbitrary mass storage is not one of the options. it _can_ work if your BIOS is merciful, but usually it doesn't |
| 14:43.10 | wols | karlpinc: what sata or ide controller needs non-free firmware? |
| 14:43.45 | karlpinc | wols: Dunno. (I did have a drive once that just didn't work.) |
| 14:44.07 | buhman | wols: all I can find http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s04.html.en#id445437 |
| 14:44.29 | dvs | buhman: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 14:44.32 | buhman | wols: doesn't talk about actually getting the installation image on the installation media |
| 14:44.45 | buhman | dvs: wrong person |
| 14:44.54 | darkwood | so, to use backport for lenny simply i change |
| 14:44.55 | dvs | oops |
| 14:44.58 | wols | buhman: have you seen a cd burner where you can dd to burn a file yet? I haven't |
| 14:45.03 | darkwood | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main |
| 14:45.22 | iEatChildren | wols: any advice on how i move past this problem? |
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| 14:45.34 | buhman | wols: I'm not talking about cd burners? |
| 14:45.35 | wols | darkwood: yes. and you will get very old backports. not as old as lenny software tho. which kinda defeats the point, but your choice |
| 14:46.00 | darkwood | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/munin |
| 14:46.05 | wols | iEatChildren: normally AMD chipsets don't make any problems :( |
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| 14:46.31 | wols | iEatChildren: try to mount the CD to /cdrom in a second termina (ctrl+alt+f1) and retry |
| 14:46.33 | darkwood | si if i use deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main will get http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/munin |
| 14:46.38 | DotHack | is it possible that chsh doest work in squeeze with ldap? |
| 14:46.39 | wols | ,versins munin |
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| 14:46.50 | iEatChildren | wols: ill give that a shot |
| 14:47.47 | wols | ,versions munin |
| 14:47.48 | judd | Package munin on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.6-10~lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.4.5-3~bpo50+1; sid: 1.4.5-3; squeeze: 1.4.5-3; wheezy: 1.4.5-3 |
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| 14:48.46 | darkwood | nice, so if install munin without backport i will get 1.2.6-10~lenny2; and with backports 1.4.5-3~ |
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| 14:49.00 | wols | darkwood: yes |
| 14:49.09 | buhman | wols: the installation media are hybrid iso's, correct? I thought you could just do a bit-for-bit copy to usb media and it's supposed to just work |
| 14:49.21 | thegoodcushion | what's the GNOME version in debian stable? |
| 14:49.39 | buhman | thegoodcushion: 2.30 |
| 14:49.42 | wols | I doubt they are hybrid isos. never checked tho. and the way to make a usb installer contradicts your statement |
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| 14:50.09 | buhman | wols: I don't understand how this works for me consistently on all of my hardware then |
| 14:50.13 | themill | wols: from squeeze onwards, they are hybrid isos, but I can't say I've ever used one to know... |
| 14:50.29 | thegoodcushion | buhman: what if I want GNOME 3? |
| 14:50.32 | darkwood | thx wols |
| 14:50.40 | buhman | thegoodcushion: umm, you probably don't |
| 14:50.54 | thegoodcushion | why? Cos it's not ready for primetime? |
| 14:50.54 | buhman | thegoodcushion: have you actually tried it? (I didn't like it at all) |
| 14:51.03 | buhman | thegoodcushion: no, just a terrible idea overall |
| 14:51.16 | themill | !gome3 |
| 14:51.20 | themill | !gnome3 |
| 14:51.20 | iEatChildren | wols: using a different cd rom worked |
| 14:51.20 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
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| 14:51.29 | wols | thegoodcushion: gnome went further with the fine tradition of simplyfying the user experience |
| 14:51.50 | buhman | thegoodcushion: too far ^ |
| 14:51.58 | wols | iEatChildren: I have several cdroms, among them liteon. never had a problem. was this new cdrom connected to the same IDE port? |
| 14:52.13 | iEatChildren | yes |
| 14:52.17 | buhman | thegoodcushion: its so simple that I find it unusable |
| 14:52.23 | wols | ugly. what model number? |
| 14:52.45 | wols | problems with controllers have been legion, especially jmicron. never with the drives so far |
| 14:53.05 | thegoodcushion | buhman: well all I have is the screenshots, i haven't used it |
| 14:53.12 | darkwood | wols: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions so if am on lenny i should change "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" noone writes on web about that |
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| 14:53.49 | buhman | thegoodcushion: my suggestion would be to use the offical gnome3 livecd to see if you really like it before you more or less commit to it |
| 14:54.13 | themill | darkwood: if you are using lenny, you'd use lenny-backports; if you are using squeeze, you'd use squeeze-backports. (If you want lenny+lenny-backports, perhaps it's time to upgrade to squeeze anyway) |
| 14:54.18 | Black_Prince | Well gnome 3 isn't that bad, but for users that like to have their system fully under their control it is not recommended |
| 14:54.44 | Black_Prince | Sure it lacks some options and features, plus you have to own good graphics hardware to use it ... |
| 14:54.48 | darkwood | thx, i thoght if i use lenny to use squeeze-backports :D |
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| 14:55.48 | buhman | darkwood: that actually makes sense why you would think that |
| 14:55.50 | thegoodcushion | buhman: okay |
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| 14:55.58 | thegoodcushion | mind you, I have to commit to debian before I can use that |
| 14:56.03 | thegoodcushion | bloody live CD is 1.1 gig |
| 14:56.04 | wols | Black_Prince: "good" graphics hardware is actually a hindrance. it works fine with intel graphics but with nvidia/ati you might need proprietary drivers :) |
| 14:56.09 | thegoodcushion | live DVD I mean |
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| 14:56.41 | darkwood | becouse i dont find purpose of using squeeze-backports on squeezre |
| 14:56.47 | buhman | thegoodcushion: the fedora version is lighter-weight |
| 14:56.50 | Black_Prince | wols, I have Intel 865G graphics controler, and sometimes it hangs, just white screen, or some icons were white or such glitches. |
| 14:57.04 | themill | thegoodcushion: no, the gnome live image is 1.1GB. The other images are not that large. |
| 14:57.05 | thegoodcushion | buhman: yeah it is, but I'm not sure about a distro that comes from a commercial operation like that |
| 14:57.18 | buhman | thegoodcushion: suse is no different |
| 14:57.31 | thegoodcushion | It's like Fedora is the deliberately crippled version or something |
| 14:57.33 | dvs | darkwood: squeeze-backports are backports from sid |
| 14:57.44 | themill | dvs: /sid/wheezy/, but yes |
| 14:57.57 | dvs | ok |
| 14:57.58 | darkwood | ok, thx for helps |
| 14:58.44 | darkwood | one more question, if i install apt-get install munin, how can i list all new packets installed becouse munin like munin-graph ,.,, |
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| 14:59.11 | wols | darkwood: /var/log/dpkg.log is one way. and apt-get tells you before it starts to install what packages it installs |
| 14:59.50 | darkwood | becouse i dont know how what else i need to write to update munin |
| 14:59.54 | darkwood | except munin |
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| 15:08.35 | chegibari_ | wols, it's kind of working. thanks. I deleted eveything in sources.list and added only deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main |
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| 15:09.34 | chegibari_ | wols, well, it's doing something, at least |
| 15:09.37 | chegibari_ | :) |
| 15:09.45 | verma | so I can enable testing repo in my squeeze to get somewhat more recent packages? |
| 15:10.28 | wols | verma: no. mixing stable and testing is a very fast way to disaster |
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| 15:10.56 | verma | wols, hmm, alright .. what's the general strategy if I need a package more recent than the one packaged? |
| 15:11.50 | wols | verma: /msg dpkg backports /msg dpkg simple sid backport or just upgrading fully to testing if you know what you're doing and accept the risks |
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| 15:14.45 | verma | wols: nice, let me check those out :) .. thanks |
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| 15:19.48 | darkwood | wols: apt-get -t lenny-backports install "munin munin-node munin-plugins-extra" | E: Couldn't find package munin munin-node munin-plugins-extra |
| 15:20.01 | darkwood | why? i updated /etc/apt/sources list |
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| 15:21.14 | xelister | what is a good linux program for distributed (many users) address book? |
| 15:21.24 | themill | darkwood: get rid of the quotes |
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| 15:23.23 | darkwood | thx themill |
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| 15:25.44 | darkwood | if i use apt-get upgrade upgrades will be shown (this will exclude lenny-backports?) |
| 15:26.05 | darkwood | to upgrade backports i must use apt-get -t lenny-bacports upgrade? |
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| 15:26.31 | themill | darkwood: no, you need the pinning described on the backports instructions web page |
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| 15:28.37 | darkwood | ok, never mind i neither want to use that backports |
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| 15:30.41 | darkwood | so simply apt-get upgrade will use default lenny packs, even if "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main" in apt list |
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| 15:31.58 | Justice_form | hi |
| 15:32.01 | themill | darkwood: yes, unless you have the pinning as described on the backports instructions page |
| 15:33.04 | darkwood | ok, thx |
| 15:33.11 | darkwood | also when i use apt-get upgrade if newest pack is there i must apply with yes |
| 15:33.13 | darkwood | becouse i have |
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| 15:36.35 | wols | darkwood: however, lenny backports most certainyl won't get any updates anyways anymore. which is another reason to use squeeze |
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| 15:37.19 | acu | even now I do not know how to change from built audio out to an usb headphone in gnome - can anyone help |
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| 15:37.44 | Adita_Virgen | QUIERES VERME? HACE CALRO Y TENGO LA CAMARA CONECTADA |
| 15:37.48 | acu | so I listen in youtube something and I want to direct it to my usb headphone |
| 15:38.06 | buhman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:38.18 | wols | !es |
| 15:38.19 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 15:39.11 | MrFrood | acu: don't know about gnome but one can change the output device used by pressing f6 in alsamixer |
| 15:39.58 | buhman | wols: I think that's some kind of spam regarding the inappropriate usage of cameras |
| 15:40.14 | acu | MrFrood: thanks - I am installing it now - remebered I did that random eons ago |
| 15:40.24 | ketsa | Hi all, i installed debian squeeze on my samsung n145 netbook, everithing works wonderfully. except waking up from hibernation. the machine boots, resets then does a standard boot. any ideas to fix it ? |
| 15:40.36 | jhutchins_lt | Backports are not intended for a system-wide upgrade but to allow installation of a single backported program. |
| 15:41.00 | dokma | Hey guyz I don't have usbfs module loaded and can't figure out in which package to find it from packages.debian.org |
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| 15:41.14 | dokma | is it a package that needs to be installed or something else? |
| 15:41.55 | wols | dokma: where on your disk is this usbfs? |
| 15:42.09 | dokma | it's not on disks |
| 15:42.16 | wols | with module loaded, you mean a kernel module? if so it should be under /lib/modules/ somewhere |
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| 15:42.30 | dokma | it's supposed to be something that enables me use usb in virtualbox guests |
| 15:42.34 | wols | if it's not on your disks, how can it be loaded? |
| 15:42.47 | dokma | I'm looking for where to install it from |
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| 15:42.53 | dokma | can't find it on packages.debian.org |
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| 15:43.02 | dokma | and it sounds to me like something pretty standard |
| 15:43.02 | wols | dokma: those are virtual box extensions and proprietary software. not supported here. ask virtualbox folks |
| 15:43.09 | themill | buhman: thanks. |
| 15:43.22 | dokma | I don't think that's the case |
| 15:43.27 | acu | MrFrood: so how can I change the default ? |
| 15:43.35 | dokma | because it sounds to me like something kernel related |
| 15:43.41 | acu | I am just watching something on youtube |
| 15:43.42 | dokma | but I'll ask there as well |
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| 15:44.18 | wols | dokma: you are mistaken. prior to VBox 4, USB support was totally proprietary. since VBox 4 you get USB 1.1 Support in the GPL version. however that is not in debian stable |
| 15:44.22 | MrFrood | acu: F6 should allow you to cycle through the sound devices alsa knows about |
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| 15:44.35 | wols | !versions virtualbox-ose |
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| 15:44.39 | wols | ,versions virtualbox-ose |
| 15:44.40 | judd | Package virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.0.4-dfsg-2 |
| 15:45.07 | dokma | wols I installed vbox 4 from virtualbox site directly |
| 15:45.23 | dokma | and everything works except usb devices |
| 15:45.25 | wols | dokma: then even more reason not to ask here about it. ask who gave you the software |
| 15:45.35 | dokma | which I traced to fstab and usbfs not being mounted |
| 15:45.46 | MrFrood | acu: try the commoand 'alsactl init' as root if a device is not showing up |
| 15:45.53 | wols | dokma: you make no sense |
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| 15:45.55 | dokma | so I thought it might be linux related and not vbox issue |
| 15:46.21 | dokma | wols: so you're saying you never heard of usbfs ? |
| 15:46.23 | wols | if you need your VM to access USB devices directly, then you don't want the host to mess with it or it cannot work. either the host deals with the USB device or the guest, not both |
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| 15:47.07 | dokma | all I know is I've got nothing under /proc/bus/usb |
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| 15:47.22 | dokma | and it sounds like it's linux related and not properly configured |
| 15:47.32 | ketsa | another problem : debian installation went fine but grub did not add windows to the menu despite the fact it noticed it being installed during installation, how can i add windows to the menu easily. |
| 15:47.36 | jordanm | only the non-ose version supports USB, and yeah, only guest or host at a time |
| 15:47.53 | jordanm | ketsa: try update-grub |
| 15:47.54 | wols | dokma: usbfs is an OLD way to deal with USB devices. deprecated since some time and not used anymore. you are chasing ghosts |
| 15:48.10 | wols | jordanm: since 4.0 you get USB 1.1 support in the GPL version |
| 15:48.10 | ketsa | i'll try, thanks. |
| 15:48.17 | dokma | wols: ahhh I see... it might be obsolete info then |
| 15:48.19 | dokma | thanks |
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| 15:48.39 | jordanm | wols: good to know :) |
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| 15:49.26 | ketsa | good, update-grub found windows. thanks. |
| 15:49.30 | wwalker | I need a development environment in debian. in fedora I would do "yum groupinstall Development\ Libraries Development\ Tools" and that would install everything I needed instead of selecting the 200 packages individually. What's the debian equivalent? |
| 15:49.50 | wols | !tell wwalker about b-e |
| 15:50.41 | wols | wwalker: if you want to compile a certain package, apt-get build-dep <packagename> will install you all the needed dependencies for this package incl. development packages |
| 15:50.42 | ketsa | i am left with only 1 problem : hibernation is not working any pointers ? waking up resets and then a normal boot happens. |
| 15:50.48 | wwalker | I know about b-e, that's only 10 packages, I'm looking for something that encompasses more like 200 packages. |
| 15:51.05 | wwalker | I'm building things that are not packaged |
| 15:51.07 | themill | wwalker: you presumably wouldn't want all of the gtk development packages if you were working in qt, and you probably don't want either if you're developing web applications in python. Pick the ones you actually need and install them. |
| 15:51.12 | LoneTech | that sounds random. do you not have a target? or environment you want? |
| 15:51.22 | wols | wwalker: not even an earlier version of what you are building? |
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| 15:51.38 | jhutchins_lt | ketsa: Which kernel are you using? |
| 15:51.59 | wols | wwalker: tasksel also has a development target of sorts. dunno what it encompasses. |
| 15:52.15 | wwalker | just something that gets a generic environment, like zlib, bdb, sqlite, ... |
| 15:52.18 | wols | wwalker: but generally it just installs a lot of unneeded baggage. just like fedora with what you describe |
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| 15:52.36 | wwalker | I'll look at tasksel |
| 15:53.05 | ketsa | i am using : Linux Atomic 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 21:36:00 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:53.44 | wols | ketsa: your swapfile is big enough? you have looked at all kinds of logs and found nothing? |
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| 15:54.21 | ketsa | 2 gb swap for 1 gb memory. |
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| 15:55.25 | wols | just did a apt-cache search "\-dev"|wc -l I got 3728 as a result. I'd never want to install all of those... |
| 15:55.30 | jhutchins_lt | ketsa: You could see if the .38 kernel from backports does any better. |
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| 15:56.29 | ketsa | i'll try this and investigate logs. thanks guys. |
| 15:56.56 | buhman | jhutchins_lt: you can get .38 from backports? |
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| 15:58.25 | wols | buhman: yes |
| 15:58.31 | jhutchins_lt | buhman: Yes, squeeze backports |
| 15:59.12 | buhman | jhutchins_lt: I have that in my sources.list, but I don't seem to see the new kernel |
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| 15:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | buhman: Backports only install if you specify a package. |
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| 16:00.55 | buhman | jhutchins_lt: yes, and when I aptitude search, I don't see any linux-image-2.6.38.* |
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| 16:01.11 | jhutchins_lt | buhman: That way you don't mess up the whole system for a single backport. |
| 16:01.15 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 16:01.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 16:01.45 | buhman | jhutchins_lt: I believe you that it is in backports, but how do I make it work? |
| 16:02.02 | wols | by installing it like any other backports package? |
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| 16:02.29 | wols | apt-cache search linux-image |less |
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| 16:03.07 | buhman | wols: I see no .38 |
| 16:03.43 | DammitJim | buhman, where? |
| 16:03.55 | buhman | DammitJim: after searching apt-cache |
| 16:04.05 | DammitJim | oh |
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| 16:06.14 | wols | buhman: then your backports entry is faulty. works fine for me |
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| 16:07.11 | wols | try apt-cache search linux-image |grep 38 returns 3 packages for me on amd64. a kernel, debugging infos and header files |
| 16:07.30 | Frantic | guys, what's the easiest way in squeeze to place an alias somewhere so that it will be available everywhere: user, root, within screen, etc ? |
| 16:07.57 | buhman | wols: I must be blind, because that magically worked |
| 16:08.01 | Frantic | /etc/profile isn't sourced within screen |
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| 16:09.21 | wols | buhman: .38 is buggy anyways. and uses more power too probably. only use it if your hardware demands it |
| 16:09.29 | dokma | thanks to everyone who helped... it turned out that the new version just needs the user to be a memeber of vboxusers |
| 16:09.46 | dokma | everything is fine after the reboot |
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| 16:10.04 | buhman | wols: what is wheezy supposed to release with? |
| 16:10.04 | wols | Frantic: /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
| 16:10.45 | wols | buhman: no one knows yet. but probably not an existing kernel. wheezy freeze is around a year in the future |
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| 16:11.58 | ketsa | .38 has unresolvable dependencies here. |
| 16:12.33 | wols | yes, the kbuild thing. for some reason or other I managed to install it with apt tho, inclduing headers |
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| 16:13.58 | buhman | ketsa: the second proposed solution is valid for me |
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| 16:15.02 | Black_Prince | is getting mad |
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| 16:15.27 | Black_Prince | I sometimes want to destroy p.d.o, but then I realize it's just a software. |
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| 16:18.02 | wols | sometimes I want to erase debian since it's such a POS, but then I release there are no better alternatives :( |
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| 16:18.09 | wols | *realise |
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| 16:19.35 | buhman | wols: I couldn't agree more |
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| 16:21.42 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 16:27.08 | ujjain | how do i start proftpd at boot? |
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| 16:28.25 | wols | ujjain: apt-get install proftpd does that by default normally. dpkg-reconfigure the package |
| 16:28.29 | Black_Prince | ujjain, it is started by default, unless turned off by some(thing)one |
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| 16:28.51 | ujjain | Blac_Prince: It´s not started by default. Maybe when installed as inetd. |
| 16:29.20 | Black_Prince | Well, when I installed it as standalone server, it was started at boot. |
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| 16:29.53 | ujjain | I installed it like that, but it did not start at boot, I assure you. |
| 16:29.56 | wols | ujjain: which debian version are you on? |
| 16:30.01 | ujjain | 6, latest. |
| 16:30.18 | Black_Prince | ujjain, try running insserv /etc/init.d/proftpd |
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| 16:31.05 | wols | ujjain: you are mistaken. the FIRST thing debconf asks you if you want to run in standalone or from inetd |
| 16:31.13 | ujjain | wols: I know, I choose standalone. |
| 16:31.31 | ujjain | it did not auto-start ftp though as reboot. |
| 16:31.33 | ujjain | at* |
| 16:31.43 | wols | ujjain: and then it creates /etc/rc2.d/S19proftpd |
| 16:31.55 | wols | which means, it gets started at boot (when it enters runlevel 2) |
| 16:32.25 | ujjain | uhm, openssh servercrashed i think. |
| 16:32.31 | ujjain | I think it´s the insserv line. |
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| 16:36.41 | ujjain | SSH does not come online after reboot either since the insserv run |
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| 16:37.04 | Black_Prince | Your system is messed up then. |
| 16:37.12 | Black_Prince | Insserv is used to enable/disable initscripts |
| 16:37.29 | wols | ujjain: show us the output of "runlevel;ls -l /etc/rc2.d" please |
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| 16:38.09 | ujjain | runlevel N2 |
| 16:38.17 | wols | !paste |
| 16:38.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:38.29 | project2501a | why, oh why is ntp in 32-bit mode? |
| 16:38.32 | ujjain | I am sorry, I cannot paste wolfs. |
| 16:38.39 | project2501a | and how on earth can i change that? |
| 16:38.41 | wols | you are mistaken again |
| 16:38.54 | ujjain | I no longer have ssh access to have to manually type. the rc2.d folder is filled with symlinks, including a ssh symlink. |
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| 16:39.50 | Black_Prince | Wait, ujjain, have you installed fresh debian squeeze or updated from lenny? |
| 16:39.57 | ujjain | Fresh Debian install, 2 weeks old. |
| 16:40.02 | pyrophelia | I build a raid 6 with mdadm and I have already coppied data to the raid but it's not done syncing yet. If I cut power to the box before the sync finishes will I lose everything? |
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| 16:40.12 | ujjain | not sure why people frequently say ¨system messed up¨, it´s a very basic simple system that has hardly seen any changes at all. |
| 16:40.40 | Black_Prince | Well, my lets say 'server' hasn't had any issues for 6 months now |
| 16:40.41 | project2501a | pyrophelia: you might not lose everything. but you will most likely screw it up. |
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| 16:40.44 | wols | ujjain: from what you told us, it's a very mess up system |
| 16:40.51 | pyrophelia | hmmm |
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| 16:41.03 | pyrophelia | project2501a: can you define 'screw it up'? |
| 16:41.25 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: You will have to start the sync all over again. |
| 16:41.35 | pyrophelia | but what about the data that's on it? |
| 16:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: At the least. It could also corrupt the array to the point that it won't reassemble. |
| 16:41.59 | pyrophelia | hmm |
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| 16:42.05 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Whether your data is on the accessible portion is random. |
| 16:42.06 | Black_Prince | ujjain, can you type ' invoke-rc.d ssh start ' |
| 16:42.14 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Why not just let it finish? |
| 16:42.28 | pyrophelia | because I have admins of the company that want me to move the server to another state today |
| 16:42.33 | pyrophelia | and the resync still has another 600min |
| 16:42.35 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: again. you are mixing people. |
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| 16:42.51 | ujjain | Black_Prince: done, but it might be something else, ssh localhost works fine. |
| 16:42.52 | pyrophelia | project2501a: it's all good, I knew who he was talking to :) |
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| 16:42.58 | jhutchins_lt | pyrophelia: : Raid sync is the kind of thing where you start it then go home for the night or something. |
| 16:43.01 | ujjain | I also changed network IP last reboot, maybe it´s related. |
| 16:43.09 | Black_Prince | Sure it is |
| 16:43.11 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Good ol' tab completion. |
| 16:43.14 | project2501a | pyrophelia: if they are sysadmins, they will understand if you tell them "the array is still syncing" |
| 16:43.29 | Black_Prince | offers jhutchins_lt a cup of coffee |
| 16:43.30 | project2501a | pyrophelia: "unless you want to take the risk...." |
| 16:43.36 | pyrophelia | jhutchins_lt: yea but this is a 15 drive sync and it's been 3 days. they're getting anxious. |
| 16:43.50 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: don't make me make abrotman yell at you :D |
| 16:44.09 | project2501a | pyrophelia: tell them exactly that |
| 16:44.28 | project2501a | "it is syncing. unless you want to take the risc." |
| 16:44.35 | pyrophelia | project2501a: and no, far from sysadmins. sales people who think every computer problem can be fixed with a restart... |
| 16:44.36 | pyrophelia | >< |
| 16:44.55 | project2501a | "it will lose this years data" |
| 16:45.07 | project2501a | "will you take responsibility?" |
| 16:45.08 | pyrophelia | I tried that, they asked me about the tapes |
| 16:45.14 | project2501a | what tapes? |
| 16:45.15 | pyrophelia | I died a little on the inside |
| 16:45.21 | pyrophelia | they make me do tape backups |
| 16:45.24 | pyrophelia | it's a small company :/ |
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| 16:45.29 | project2501a | so send them the tapes |
| 16:45.35 | project2501a | send them the tape backup |
| 16:45.40 | gnarface | tapes are great... for me to poop on! |
| 16:45.42 | ujjain | the server does not respond to ssh, but I am succesfully able to type ssh localhost 22, other servers can ping the server. |
| 16:45.51 | macrobat | wow, tapes |
| 16:45.52 | pyrophelia | yea I'm not a big fan of them |
| 16:46.05 | project2501a | do you have tape backup? |
| 16:46.09 | pyrophelia | the CEO is a retired FBI guy so his knowledge of tech comes from the government. |
| 16:46.20 | pyrophelia | to say he's a little behind the times would be an understatement |
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| 16:46.28 | project2501a | so? this is irrelevant. do you have any tape backups? |
| 16:46.32 | project2501a | or any form of backups. |
| 16:46.35 | pyrophelia | yes of course |
| 16:46.40 | project2501a | so send it over |
| 16:46.45 | project2501a | keep a copy for yourself |
| 16:47.13 | Justice_form | ujjain, oh i have same problem. |
| 16:47.53 | ujjain | Justice_form: mine could be related to the changes I made to the linux switch :p |
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| 16:48.45 | rhenani | Hello |
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| 16:48.59 | Justice_form | hello rhenani |
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| 16:49.10 | rhenani | How can i copy a DVD or burn it n my computer |
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| 16:49.22 | rhenani | Y tried using brasero but i need to have another cd |
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| 16:49.45 | Black_Prince | you can save an image (clone) of dvd disc ... |
| 16:49.45 | ketsa | had a look in the logs, cant find anything. |
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| 16:50.13 | rhenani | Black_Prince: I tried but it doesn't let me |
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| 16:50.31 | Black_Prince | dd if=/dev/sr0 of=image.iso |
| 16:50.33 | rhenani | Black_Prince: is there any other software i can use to copy the DVD but in my computer? |
| 16:50.36 | wols | rhenani: you make an image to a big file and then burn this file to dvd |
| 16:51.01 | rhenani | wols: How? :/ |
| 16:51.05 | Black_Prince | where /dev/sr0 is device node of first cd drive |
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| 16:51.46 | gnarface | rhenani: or you could use dvdbackup |
| 16:52.18 | ujjain | all is fine now, proftpd did not start because of my mistake, ssh went down because of my networking mistake |
| 16:53.21 | Black_Prince | Well, it's easiest to blame default Debian configuration :evil: |
| 16:53.51 | ujjain | Black_Prince: :D |
| 16:54.29 | ujjain | networking restart is depreciated, what is the good way then? |
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| 16:54.53 | Black_Prince | Nah, it still does it's duty |
| 16:54.59 | Black_Prince | It just does not restart lo interface. |
| 16:55.40 | ujjain | it does not work for me, unless I do a hard reboot. |
| 16:55.45 | ujjain | or else only lo comes up. |
| 16:56.14 | gnarface | i think you want to do /etc/init.d/networking stop && /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 16:56.23 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.44 | wols | if you have installed networkmanager and shit like that, it might not |
| 16:56.53 | Black_Prince | I like network manager :P |
| 16:57.06 | gnarface | its never failed to anger me |
| 16:57.21 | Black_Prince | Well, depends on what connection type you have. |
| 16:57.28 | Black_Prince | On my wired connection it runs like hell |
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| 16:58.44 | ujjain | well, It´s alright, I will figure it out later. :) It´s a wired connection, but it´s no big deal, I will figure it out. |
| 16:58.58 | pozic | Why doesn't apt-get --reinstall install cups install /etc/init.d/cups ? |
| 16:59.16 | Black_Prince | pozic, you have to PURGE it, and then reinstall again |
| 16:59.29 | pozic | Black_Prince: I know. I am asking why it does it like it does. |
| 16:59.40 | pozic | Black_Prince: I think it is a broken user interface. |
| 17:00.05 | pozic | Black_Prince: the word 're' means 'again'. So, it should just provide as a post condition the same thing as after an install. |
| 17:00.14 | pozic | Black_Prince: except, as we observe, it doesn't. |
| 17:00.16 | gnarface | pozic: no, reinstall just reinstalls the static components of the package. stuff that's script generated and may be user-edited is purposefully NOT overwritten |
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| 17:00.30 | themill | pozic: no, config files that the user has removed should not magically reappear. That would be very bad. |
| 17:00.54 | pozic | themill: perhaps in some environments you are right. |
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| 17:01.06 | Black_Prince | Not in some, in most ... |
| 17:01.32 | pyrophelia | lol |
| 17:01.35 | Black_Prince | What if you delete only a binary by accident, run reinstall and it overrides all of your config files, which lets say are configured to serve 1k of users? |
| 17:01.57 | pyrophelia | I told them I could turn it off and I'll send them the tapes just incase they can't bring it online and they said make it go faster then |
| 17:02.08 | pyrophelia | smacks forehead |
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| 17:02.25 | gnarface | pyrophelia: just say "ok" then go get a coffee |
| 17:02.58 | Black_Prince | I found this one ... apt-get -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install |
| 17:03.11 | Black_Prince | They say that command would reinstall only missing configuration files. |
| 17:03.38 | pyrophelia | lol |
| 17:03.41 | pyrophelia | I hate this company |
| 17:03.49 | jelly-home | Black_Prince: "run reinstall" doesn't do "overrides all of your config files" |
| 17:04.33 | jelly-home | Black_Prince: if you didn't lose any config files, _don't use_ that command |
| 17:05.02 | Aziroshin | I have a 350 MHz Pentium II laptop here, currently running debian wheezy with fluxbox. |
| 17:05.05 | Black_Prince | Well, I usually find all my configs. |
| 17:05.11 | jelly-home | and all of that should probably go to pozic I guess |
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| 17:05.31 | Black_Prince | Well, I could use some advices too ... :P |
| 17:06.05 | Aziroshin | I am wondering about lightweight browser solutions. I have tried to get dillo up and running, but fltk2 barfs with an error that might just be some bug in their alpha release or an incompatibility with some library-stuff. |
| 17:06.25 | Aziroshin | What about swiftfox, for instance? Would have to be hand compiled too, though. Might just end up the same way. |
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| 17:06.47 | Black_Prince | Aziroshin, maybe chromium or epiphany would satisfy your needs. |
| 17:07.01 | Aziroshin | The device has 180 MB of RAM, though. |
| 17:07.30 | jhutchins_lt | lynx |
| 17:07.33 | Aziroshin | I guess It'll be work a try. |
| 17:07.42 | Black_Prince | hahha |
| 17:07.49 | Black_Prince | Well, he could try w3m too then |
| 17:07.59 | Aziroshin | Well, worth a try was to chromium and epiphany :p |
| 17:08.20 | Aziroshin | Also, when it comes to console stuff I have a habit of using links. :) |
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| 17:10.38 | jelly-home | Aziroshin: chromium or chrome with flash disabled and limited to a single or a very small number of tabs might be feasible, provided you restrict all the other processes |
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| 17:10.59 | jelly-home | Aziroshin: I |
| 17:11.14 | Aziroshin | It's currently installing. |
| 17:11.15 | jelly-home | Aziroshin: I'd put 320-512 RAM in that thing ;-) |
| 17:11.40 | jelly-home | Aziroshin: does it eat SDR or DDR SODIMM? |
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| 17:11.56 | Aziroshin | if I was able to get compatible RAM in the 1-3 dollar range without shipping costs (just go and take), I'd consider it. :o |
| 17:12.07 | jelly-home | not likely |
| 17:12.23 | jelly-home | price for old ram goes up after a while |
| 17:12.34 | Black_Prince | Hell yeah |
| 17:12.41 | Aziroshin | I don't know what it takes, actually. I'd look into that as it becomes actual. |
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| 17:13.06 | Black_Prince | DDR1, 1GB = 30, DDR2, 2GB = 20, DDR3, 2GB = 25 |
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| 17:13.41 | Aziroshin | Well, that's almost shelf price |
| 17:14.05 | wols | Black_Prince: you are mistaken. DDR3 is cheaper than DDR2 |
| 17:14.19 | Black_Prince | wols, yea, you're right |
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| 17:14.31 | Black_Prince | my mistake :P |
| 17:14.37 | Aziroshin | DDR3 prices got totally destroyed a little while ago. :x |
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| 17:15.07 | Black_Prince | Well, DDR3 is cheap, but (good) motherboard that support DDR3 are expensive. |
| 17:15.09 | ujjain | any way I can gain information about an IP? I want to know who is 192.168.1.120. |
| 17:15.17 | Black_Prince | is expensive* |
| 17:15.35 | Aziroshin | Not for AMD. |
| 17:15.50 | wols | since powertop shows me an awful lot of "timer" wakeups with the default debian kernel, I'm thinking of compiling my own for note notebook |
| 17:15.52 | jelly-home | ujjain: arp tool will tell you its MAC address |
| 17:15.56 | wols | which kernel version to choose? |
| 17:16.02 | rgr | I'm a little lost wading through exim4 docs. I want to ensure only the local lost can send from exim4. It must listen on all ports though for incoming. I dont want to authenticate from the localhost. Whats the story? Basically I want to be sure that it cant be used as an open relay but all the talk in the docs about AUTH etc have left me with a headache. |
| 17:16.12 | zorrolero | Aziroshin: try midori |
| 17:16.27 | Aziroshin | Right, I've googled over it and forgot. :x |
| 17:16.32 | Aziroshin | Thanks, zor, Ill look at that. |
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| 17:17.13 | jelly-home | rgr: why not send mail via /usr/sbin/sendmail instad of localhost:25 |
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| 17:17.43 | rgr | how does that address anything? The port is immaterial. |
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| 17:17.55 | rgr | sendmail is exim4 |
| 17:18.03 | ScreenSilently | hello, how can i see which services will run when booting? |
| 17:18.19 | Aziroshin | wow, I am stonished. Chromium seems to work smooth and silky, and it just jolted up RAM usage by 20 MB with google open. |
| 17:18.30 | wols | ScreenSilently: ls /etc/rcS.d/: ls /etc/rc2.d |
| 17:18.39 | rgr | jelly-home: you mean stop it listening to 25? |
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| 17:18.58 | ghenry | Hi, what can I use that's like http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/ishowu.html |
| 17:19.09 | rgr | what port does it listen on for incoming email? |
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| 17:19.17 | Arrowmaster | 25 |
| 17:19.20 | jelly-home | rgr: no. I mean you don't have to care about configuring localhost:25 different than outside:25 then |
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| 17:20.02 | jhutchins_lt | ghenry: Try hitting the PrtSc key. |
| 17:20.18 | rgr | my email client does use exim4's sendmail. Thats not the issue. The issue is knowing or being comfortable that other people cant use my smtp server. Does that make sense or am I missing something really obvious here? |
| 17:20.18 | wols | I'm sure exim4 has a directive like postfix' mynetworks, no? |
| 17:20.20 | ghenry | jhujhiti: Thanks dude. |
| 17:20.36 | ScreenSilently | wols: thanks. love ya! |
| 17:20.43 | rgr | wols: almost certainly it does. But the docs are dautning. |
| 17:20.45 | rgr | daunting. |
| 17:20.54 | wols | rgr: there is a reason I use postfix :P |
| 17:20.58 | rgr | It seems such an obvious thing. |
| 17:21.00 | project2501a | rgr: gross missunderstatement. |
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| 17:21.09 | project2501a | "daunting" |
| 17:21.15 | wols | rgr: by default exim is configured not to be an open relay |
| 17:21.15 | jelly-home | I don't remember how exim4 initial setup is done. With postfix you just choose "internet site" or "internet site with smarthost", answer a couple questions and be done |
| 17:21.27 | project2501a | only 4 books later and after reading the notes on the debian wiki, i can start using it now. |
| 17:21.30 | Arrowmaster | exim is the same |
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| 17:21.48 | rgr | yes, but that still doesnt seem to tell me that its not available as an open relay. maybe I am worrying too much about nothing. |
| 17:21.51 | jelly-home | rgr: what fails to work with your current setup? |
| 17:21.59 | ujjain | jelly-home, I dont really recognize the mac address :p |
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| 17:22.17 | rgr | I got ip banned a while ago by spamhaus as it said my mailserver was sending spam. |
| 17:22.30 | jelly-home | ujjain: ping it, go disconnecting one machine by one |
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| 17:22.40 | ujjain | jelly-home: they´re servers :p |
| 17:22.46 | rgr | I hope/suspect it was a windows user friend of mine using my wireless and his virus infected machine was responsible but I dont know. |
| 17:22.52 | ujjain | I will do a nmap scan. |
| 17:23.02 | jelly-home | ujjain: and you don't know what servers you have?? |
| 17:23.05 | rizzeh | ifupdown - is it just gnome front end, not required in headless setup? |
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| 17:23.18 | ujjain | jelly-home: I do, they´re only 10, but none should use .120 |
| 17:23.26 | ujjain | I will do port scan and see if I can find anything |
| 17:23.36 | jelly-home | ujjain: if they're windows, they might answer to nmblookup -A a.b.c.d |
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| 17:23.52 | jelly-home | give their windows (CIFS) name |
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| 17:24.33 | jelly-home | rizzeh: is your mail server also your NAT machine? |
| 17:24.37 | ujjain | jelly-home: what package is nmblookup? |
| 17:24.40 | jelly-home | rgr: is your mail server also your NAT machine? |
| 17:24.55 | jelly-home | ujjain: dunno, /msg judd bin/nmblookup |
| 17:24.59 | rgr | I dont know what a NAT machine is so I doubt it ;) |
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| 17:24.59 | jelly-home | sorry |
| 17:25.04 | rizzeh | jelly-home: no, its just a file server/torrent box |
| 17:25.08 | jelly-home | ujjain: /msg judd file bin/nmblookup |
| 17:25.27 | jelly-home | rizzeh: sorry, that was a nick miscompletion, not for you |
| 17:25.35 | rgr | project2501a: ;) +1 |
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| 17:25.58 | jelly-home | rgr: does your mail server have the same public IP as your wireless clients |
| 17:26.54 | rgr | yes, hence I said that my mates machine might have been responsible. I need to look up authentication for smtp requests on port 25 but my god its hard to help for exim4. The irc channel "helpers" rtfm you all the time. useless. |
| 17:26.56 | ujjain | jelly-home, still extremely puzzled :P http://www.codepad.eu/view/88019954 |
| 17:27.02 | ujjain | there was no such package said judd |
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| 17:27.18 | rgr | anyway bis später .. |
| 17:27.19 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/nmblookup |
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| 17:27.23 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 17:27.29 | jelly-home | blink |
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| 17:27.41 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/nmblookup.* |
| 17:27.44 | judd | bin/nmblookup.* in squeeze/i386: samba-common-bin: usr/bin/nmblookup.samba3; samba-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/nmblookup.samba3 |
| 17:27.57 | jelly-home | fuck alternatives |
| 17:28.33 | jelly-home | ujjain: so samba-common-bin I guess |
| 17:29.15 | Aziroshin | It even plays youtube 240p videos at a framerate of like 2 per second. |
| 17:29.20 | ujjain | jelly-home: thanks :) It seems linux though, since it´s webserver |
| 17:29.47 | jelly-home | ujjain: its http headers might be useful, then |
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| 17:30.20 | ujjain | jelly-home: brilliant! :d I think it´s vmware esx itselve btw, but will check |
| 17:30.30 | ujjain | I should have come up with that myself :p |
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| 17:31.03 | ujjain | Yep, it´s vmware thing |
| 17:31.35 | Aziroshin | (Well, it's rather 3 fps, not 2.) |
| 17:31.38 | Aziroshin | Well, thanks guys. |
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| 17:46.08 | r4co0n | i got a vodafone dsl easybox router, that manages dhcp. both my otherOSbox and my N900 have their hostname displayed after issued IP, how can I tell Debian to broadcast this too? |
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| 17:46.35 | abrotman | netbios perhaps? |
| 17:46.45 | karlpinc | r4co0n: I believe there's a hostname you can set in dhclient. |
| 17:47.08 | petemc | uncomment send-hostname in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 17:47.15 | wols | yes there is |
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| 17:47.24 | wols | points to petemc |
| 17:47.35 | phik | oh cool, i was wondering somthing similar to this a while ago |
| 17:47.42 | r4co0n | petemc: thats it thx, it uses /etc/hostname, no redundancy |
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| 17:49.17 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Recall that google ping delay problem yesterday? I've finally gotten around to running tcpdump and see to things I need to follow up on to see why mdns is causing delays. There's a multicast packet doing a PTR lookup (which is probably whats causing the reverse dns delays). But I also see an IPv6 PTR lookup that confuses me. |
| 17:49.22 | r4co0n | petemc: my squeeze doesnt have a dhclient.conf there, nor a sample |
| 17:49.50 | karlpinc | r4co0n: Then you're not using dhcp? |
| 17:49.56 | wols | !tell karlpinc about mdns |
| 17:50.07 | phik | try /etc/dhcp rarther than /etc/dhcp3 |
| 17:50.08 | wols | karlpinc: and you just fount out why people despise avahi |
| 17:50.11 | r4co0n | i am, didnt enter an IP anywhere |
| 17:50.18 | catsup | mdns eh |
| 17:50.35 | r4co0n | phik, there it is, could have looked myself, thx |
| 17:50.39 | karlpinc | wols: I usually turn it off, but now I'm trying to buy myself a clue. |
| 17:50.50 | catsup | i noticed the avahi scripts run the same code three times on every interface up, each with a 5 second timeout |
| 17:51.24 | catsup | in three different places |
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| 17:52.17 | catsup | three different scripts i mean, or maybe it was one script running twice and another one |
| 17:52.30 | r4co0n | so i say in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf "send host-name /etc/hostname" |
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| 17:52.53 | astory | I just installed, and the installer didn't give me an option to install the desktop packages. What's the name of the meta-package for gnome desktop installation? |
| 17:53.01 | karlpinc | wols: For some reason one of google's ips has no reverse dns, so pinging it causes delay in PTR resolution when mdns is on. So avahi is just "reaching out" and trying to do a reverse dns lookup, hence my delay? |
| 17:53.01 | catsup | this is unrelated to your problem except that it implies that that software may not be all that optimized to avoid timeouts |
| 17:53.02 | wols | !install gnome |
| 17:53.02 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 17:53.10 | r4co0n | is noob when it comes to scripting |
| 17:53.17 | astory | wols: thanks :D |
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| 17:53.41 | morsik | hi |
| 17:53.52 | karlpinc | r4co0n: No. I believe you give it the host name you wish to report. (Could be anything, but someone sane would use the same name as is in DNS or what 'hostname' reports.) |
| 17:53.53 | StefandeVries | hi morsik |
| 17:53.55 | wols | astory: "desktop environment" in the installer is the option to install gnome (or whatever is on that installer disk) |
| 17:53.56 | catsup | !install x |
| 17:53.56 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 17:53.59 | morsik | i'm trying to recompile nginx-1 from sid, but i'm stuck. i got: http://727.cpaste.eu/ |
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| 17:54.15 | morsik | i'm using this info: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rebuilding-ubuntu-debian-linux-binary-package/ |
| 17:54.18 | astory | wols: I think I grabbed the wrong iso, it never presented me with that option (on text only or on graphics) |
| 17:54.25 | r4co0n | karlpinc: and there we got redundancy. If i wanna change my hostname, I wanna do it once :/ |
| 17:54.29 | morsik | (recompiling using just dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b works) |
| 17:54.31 | astory | will installing gnome install x as well? |
| 17:54.39 | abrotman | morsik: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:55.05 | catsup | astory: no |
| 17:55.07 | r4co0n | is there a way to make dhcp report the 'actual' hostname in /etc/hostname? |
| 17:55.08 | Arrowmaster | r4co0n: go complain to ISC like the rest of us have |
| 17:55.12 | karlpinc | r4co0n: No matter what /etc/hosts is different from what's in DNS. |
| 17:55.25 | astory | catsup: that seems like it would be a natural dependency, but I'll go install that then too |
| 17:55.29 | wols | astory: if you install CD1, it will. it's part of the tasksel selection you get at the end |
| 17:55.36 | karlpinc | !tell r4co0n about readme.debian |
| 17:55.37 | catsup | astory: since it is possible to use gnome without x, it cannot be used as a dependency... |
| 17:55.48 | karlpinc | r4co0n: Perhaps there's some debian hack, like /etc/mailname. |
| 17:55.51 | catsup | astory: it is actually possible to run GNOME over the network on a remote display, with no X |
| 17:55.58 | Arrowmaster | karlpinc: there is not |
| 17:56.08 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: Good. :) |
| 17:56.13 | astory | catsup: ah, I didn't consider that. |
| 17:56.16 | catsup | actually that is true about X applications in general -- they don't require an X server -- so no X applications in debian depend on the X server |
| 17:56.44 | catsup | probably confuses a lot of people |
| 17:57.02 | astory | wols: the iso named itself debian-live-6.0.1-amd64-standard; I didn't get a task selection screen |
| 17:57.16 | catsup | but better than being forced to install an X server when you aren't using one |
| 17:57.35 | karlpinc | r4co0n: Look at it this way, there are a number of different databases that can be used to map IPs to hostnames. /etc/hosts and DNS are just two possiblities. /etc/nsswitch.conf supports many more. There are simply multiple technologies involved and multiple name spaces. Get over it. |
| 17:57.42 | wols | astory: that's no debian installer it's a live cd. why are people constantly use the live cd to install debian? |
| 17:57.55 | astory | I found the download page really confusing then |
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| 17:58.04 | astory | because it wasn't clear what to download, or even how to download it |
| 17:58.09 | astory | :/ |
| 17:58.24 | dios_mio | in debian we dont use sudo like in ubuntu? |
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| 17:58.31 | wols | dios_mio: not by default |
| 17:58.34 | Arrowmaster | dios_mio: you can |
| 17:58.40 | r4co0n | what provides dhcp capability in linux but dhcp? my n900, running maemo, reported the correct, changed hostname on changing /etc/hostname. and maemo is debian-like. but its got no dhcp installed, apparently |
| 17:58.50 | wols | astory: if you go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" you aren't shown any live cd anywhere, are you? |
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| 17:58.55 | karlpinc | dios_mio: Because it's optional. Partly because sudo makes things less secure because then only a user account need be cracked to get root. |
| 17:59.03 | dios_mio | right |
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| 17:59.09 | wols | r4co0n: dhclient |
| 17:59.10 | Arrowmaster | r4co0n: other distros apply custom patches to dhclient to provide what you want, debian does not |
| 17:59.27 | catsup | karlpinc: a user account ... that has sudo |
| 17:59.33 | catsup | (not any user account) |
| 17:59.53 | karlpinc | catsup: But that's why sudo is not enabled by default for user accounts in general. |
| 18:00.03 | catsup | dios_mio: just add the user to group sudo |
| 18:00.07 | astory | wols: hrm, that wasn't the page I found before. It's possible I grabbed the livecd because the other distros I use (I was also downloading a bunch for an installfest)'s livecds *are* their standard install CDs |
| 18:00.22 | catsup | and then log in as the user |
| 18:00.26 | karlpinc | r4co0n: You could hack something together, which, say, uses m4 to build a dhclient.conf file before starting dhclient. It's not worth it. |
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| 18:01.03 | wols | astory: so how did you find your download page? |
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| 18:01.14 | dios_mio | catsup: do we do that with the usermod command? |
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| 18:01.25 | r4co0n | karlpinc: u are right, when would i want to change a machines hostname, anyway. its called ruediger, cant get better :) |
| 18:01.33 | catsup | dios_mio: no, 'adduser user sudo' |
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| 18:01.47 | dios_mio | catsup: ok thx |
| 18:02.00 | astory | wols: I don't remember :/ |
| 18:02.04 | r4co0n | thx karlpinc and all the others who helped. |
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| 18:02.14 | rypervenche | I'm compiling a new kernel for Debian Squeeze. I found a guide that tells me to use "make clean" then "make KDEB_PKGVERSION=custom.1.0 deb-pkg" (after configuring it of course). However, others have told me to use make-kpkg. What is the difference between these two methods? |
| 18:02.45 | catsup | dios_mio: you get groups on login -- so if a user is already logged in they don't get sudo access until they log in again |
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| 18:03.17 | NiveusLuna | How would I go about making a boot floppy that makes the system boot off a dvd? my system is so old that the bios doesn't recognize any dvds as bootable. and yes, i'm already running the latest bios revision, there isn't a newer one. |
| 18:03.19 | karlpinc | rypervenche: One gives you a .deb when you're done so apt can keep track of what you have installed? (I'm not sure exactly what you're comparing, but that's my guess.) |
| 18:03.25 | wols | rypervenche: simply calling "make" won't create a .deb package |
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| 18:03.47 | rypervenche | wols: That's what this site says, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-building |
| 18:03.51 | karlpinc | NiveusLuna: I belive you use the syslinux boot loader for that. There may be other choices. |
| 18:05.14 | wols | rypervenche: debian patched the kernel makefile so it would create a .deb then. but generally, everyone uses make-kpkg normally. this way you can use debian sources, vanilla sources, whatever you like |
| 18:05.22 | wols | rypervenche: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 18:05.43 | ujjain | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.46 | wols | NiveusLuna: install guide should have entries about that /msg dpkg ig |
| 18:05.53 | NiveusLuna | wols: thanks. |
| 18:06.06 | rypervenche | wols: I want the latest version since I need an updated verion of ALSA for my headset to work on my EeePC |
| 18:06.18 | wols | rypervenche: then get the backports kernel |
| 18:06.30 | wols | !tell rypervenche about backports |
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| 18:07.03 | r4co0n | sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0|ifdown: interface eth0 not configured|Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. |
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| 18:07.10 | r4co0n | thats strange, aint it? |
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| 18:07.42 | wols | r4co0n: ifconfig -a |
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| 18:08.13 | r4co0n | that shows eth0, checked already |
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| 18:08.48 | r4co0n | i am also quite sure it worked some time ago, as i usually renew my connection like this |
| 18:08.52 | wols | r4co0n: and what is in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:08.53 | astory | are there full disk images for wheezy? I can only find netinstall and business card |
| 18:09.31 | wols | astory: do not install testing via install cd. instead, install a minimaö stable and upgrade. but you don't want to run testing anyways |
| 18:09.31 | dios_mio | my sound card appears in lspci, but i get no sound from mpg123.. I installed alsa, but there is no alsaconf binary to run |
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| 18:10.12 | karlpinc | !tell astory about overview |
| 18:10.13 | wols | !tell dios_mio about alsa checklist |
| 18:10.25 | wols | !tell dios_mio about alsa checklist |
| 18:10.37 | r4co0n | wols: refering to eth0, only allow-hotplug. I didnt change anything in there for eth0 |
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| 18:11.22 | r4co0n | wols: i added a line "auto eth0", as i think it looked like that some releases ago, but still no change. |
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| 18:12.55 | r4co0n | i think ill be happier when having network-manager purged. or does it help me in a way i dont understand yet? |
| 18:13.31 | wols | r4co0n: either allow-hotplug or auto. not both |
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| 18:14.32 | r4co0n | wols: i need an iface line too, dont I? |
| 18:14.59 | karlpinc | Ok, so I've traced the avahi requirement back to gnome-user-share, which I'm happy to uninstall. However, it is automatically installed via gnome-desktop-environment and gnome, which is what I installed to just get stuff on the box. So, is there an easy way to tell apt that I want to unmark auto everything that's installed because it's a immediate child of gnome and gnome-desktop-environment so I can uninstall these packages without having everything go |
| 18:15.04 | wols | yes, to tell it to use dhcp or static |
| 18:15.35 | wols | karlpinc: gnome is a meta package. uninstalling it doesn't mean anything |
| 18:15.37 | r4co0n | wols: then what does the line "auto eth0" say that isnt in the iface line? |
| 18:15.50 | karlpinc | wols: Well, uninstalling gnome-desktop-environment will. |
| 18:15.58 | wols | r4co0n: it says "bring up this interface on bootup" |
| 18:16.18 | r4co0n | wols: sure, sry, getting late :) thx |
| 18:16.33 | wols | karlpinc: cheat with equivs. it's dirty but what the heck. this auto-remove stuff doesn't look very thought out :) |
| 18:16.44 | karlpinc | wols: :) |
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| 18:17.31 | karlpinc | wols: I'll have to rtfm equivs. (Or maybe I'll just submit a wishlist to aptitude and forget about it for a few years.) |
| 18:18.19 | abrotman | you can unmarkauto some things too |
| 18:18.50 | karlpinc | abrotman: I want something that does this automatially for what's installed now. So I don't have to dirty my hands with the detail work. |
| 18:19.08 | abrotman | karlpinc: aptitude unmarkauto '~i' ? :) |
| 18:19.21 | karlpinc | wols: OTOH, perhaps equivs is the right answer. That way I can keep the parent package installed and get new goodies when stable is upgraded. |
| 18:19.21 | Arrowmaster | something like aptitude unmarkauto "?reverse-depends(^gnome$)" i think |
| 18:20.04 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: Right. with ~i That'll do just the immediate children and not the whole tree, right? |
| 18:20.18 | Arrowmaster | ~i is all installed packages |
| 18:20.18 | apt | You is all installed packages? |
| 18:20.22 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: (Or maybe ~i is redundant because well, it's not installed. |
| 18:20.23 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
| 18:20.31 | Arrowmaster | ~i |
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| 18:21.01 | Arrowmaster | oh good the bot didnt accept that |
| 18:21.31 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: So long as unmarkauto does not throw an error when given an uninstalled package. Anyway, that's all details. Thanks. |
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| 18:22.01 | JyZyXEL | where are user crontab's stored? |
| 18:22.16 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: /var/spool/cron/ |
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| 18:22.31 | karlpinc | !tell JyZyXEL about fhs |
| 18:22.33 | k000 | hi all |
| 18:22.55 | k000 | how i use port forwarding in debian? |
| 18:23.02 | JyZyXEL | did you know that spooling isn't actually verb but an acronym |
| 18:23.09 | JyZyXEL | it stands for Simultaneous Peripheral Operation OnLine |
| 18:23.58 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: No it doesn't. |
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| 18:24.52 | JyZyXEL | anyways thats what sg claimed |
| 18:24.54 | wols | JyZyXEL: "to spool" is a perfectly cromulent word. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spool |
| 18:25.09 | wols | JyZyXEL: singapore, the country, claims dictionary definitions? |
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| 18:25.17 | JyZyXEL | steve gibson |
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| 18:25.46 | wols | if he claims water is wet, better doublecheck again. twice |
| 18:26.00 | karlpinc | wols: Agreed. |
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| 18:26.18 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: See foldoc.org. |
| 18:26.30 | cahoot | fooldoc? |
| 18:27.24 | karlpinc | cahoot: In a sense. He had to change the license so it could be subsumed by wikipedia. |
| 18:27.48 | kaluva | Hey there. I have one particular app that refuses to accept keyboard input in one particular input field. It used to work some time ago. What can I do to figure out what's going on on the lower levels? |
| 18:28.06 | karlpinc | kaluva: strace? gdb? |
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| 18:28.28 | arcsky | hello guys, i wonder when i set an IP on an interface with ifconfig eth1 1.1.1.1/24 up it got removed from the interface after some thime... |
| 18:28.31 | kaluva | karlpinc: That isn't going to show me the X11 protocol stuff, is it? |
| 18:28.48 | karlpinc | kaluva: tcpdump? |
| 18:28.58 | kaluva | karlpinc: Now you're being silly |
| 18:29.12 | wols | karlpinc: gdb shows you every singly CPU instruction |
| 18:29.24 | wols | erm, kaluva ^ |
| 18:29.40 | karlpinc | wols: yah. But you can set tracepoints etc too. |
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| 18:30.34 | kaluva | Hm, okay. I'll fire up gdb then |
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| 18:39.36 | k000 | dnat don't work :/ |
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| 18:40.42 | k000 | any ideas? |
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| 18:42.51 | jhutchins_lt | k000: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73 |
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| 18:43.21 | jhutchins_lt | k000: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 18:44.47 | rpgdude | is there anyway to change the output directory of tar? |
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| 18:45.19 | nerdcore | hello gang |
| 18:45.25 | rpgdude | for example, my tar file is rooted at "dir" |
| 18:45.37 | rpgdude | but i want to untar to "dir1" |
| 18:45.50 | r4co0n | apparently the line #send host-name "ru3d1g3r"; in my dhclient.conf made either the client not work anymore or the server not offering anymore, couldnt get a lease. |
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| 18:45.53 | rudi_s | rpgdude: Put the files in dir1 before creating the tar file? |
| 18:45.57 | llutz | rpgdude: man tar (-C) |
| 18:46.05 | jasonfx | Hi, running Chrome with Gnome, I get a gnome keyring prompt each time i start the browser. Anyone know how to completly kill the keyring manager? or stop chrome using it |
| 18:46.07 | r4co0n | without # of course |
| 18:46.08 | nerdcore | i am trying to install via debootstrap, and have hit a bit of a snag in section D.3.4.1 of the installation instructions: I have no MAKEDEV script after running debootstrap! :) |
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| 18:46.13 | maximi89 | hi guys, i have a Debian with ALSA and PA, but when i connect a headphone the speakers still transmit the sounds and not the headphones, what i need to check to get them working? some guide? |
| 18:46.14 | rpgdude | -C isnt quite right |
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| 18:46.37 | jhutchins_lt | rpgdude: No. |
| 18:46.48 | rpgdude | basically what i want is to rename the directory that tar outputs to |
| 18:46.48 | jhutchins_lt | rpgdude: You extract it to dir and move it to dir1. |
| 18:47.04 | rpgdude | yeah, is there a flag on tar for this? |
| 18:47.12 | jhutchins_lt | rpgdude: No. |
| 18:47.25 | nerdcore | Has anyone else run debootstrap and found themselves without MAKEDEV? |
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| 18:49.32 | nerdcore | i386/squeeze BTW |
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| 18:59.58 | CyL | Hi, I'm tring to resolv some names based on the entries on my /etc/hosts, but it looks like it's entries have no effect on the name resolution on this machine. I have edited /etc/host.conf accordingly to include the option for the /etc/hosts files to be searched, but it looks like it has no effect. Any advice please? |
| 19:01.06 | jelly-home | I have a mdadm raid1 array with a remote, write-mostly, usually absent member. How do I make mdadm-raid init script assemble and start it in degraded mode at boot? |
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| 19:03.33 | yoshio | CyL: are you running a caching dns, like pdnsd or maradns? ps -ef |grep dns (obviously bind wouldn't show up this way), maybe "sudo netstat -punta |grep LISTEN", see if port 53 shows up with the name of the process |
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| 19:04.39 | jelly-home | my mdadm.conf: http://pastebin.com/06d2fyLP |
| 19:05.03 | CyL | yoshio: The machine is not resolving names on it's own... I'd like that to happen for the entries on /etc/hosts |
| 19:05.11 | JyZyXEL | isn't it automatically assembled as read only degraded array? |
| 19:06.15 | rypervenche | Is it possible to install more than one deb package at a time using dpkg? |
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| 19:07.10 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: it wasn't. |
| 19:07.27 | adv_ | how can i see which font (which file on the disk) exports the "Sans" font? there isn't a Sans.ttf |
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| 19:08.40 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: probably solved; the issue was a missing DEVICE for /dev/vg/data, to make mdadm scan that LV that was its local, remaining working member |
| 19:08.47 | jelly-home | brb |
| 19:09.29 | JyZyXEL | yeah if it doesn't show up in /proc/partitions |
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| 19:15.31 | rypervenche | What exactly is a kernel header? |
| 19:16.18 | dimir | An interface for kernel development. |
| 19:16.21 | \amethyst | rypervenche: it is a file that can be used in C programs to provide a description of the kernel's API (data structures and callable functions) |
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| 19:17.26 | CyL | rypervenche: a file with a .h extension oint the /usr/src/linux-headers-??????? direcotry? |
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| 19:17.56 | \amethyst | rypervenche: they're particularly useful (necessary, in fact) for building third-party device drivers and other kernel modules |
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| 19:18.46 | \amethyst | rypervenche: And to do so, you need the headers for your exact kernel version and architecture, which is why there are so many linux-headers-* packages in Debian |
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| 19:21.06 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: ended up winging it by restarting mdadm-raid once again in rc.local. Apparently noone handles the possibility of md raid on top of lvm, just the other way around |
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| 19:21.33 | eshat | Suggested/Recommended packages: Is there a debian way to find out, which functionality is added by package X? As I know, there isn't. this is a feature that should be added |
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| 19:22.11 | liuchong | hi |
| 19:22.11 | eshat | Arch Linux has a simple echo-line in there packages which says: If you add X then you can do Y |
| 19:22.38 | Arrowmaster | eshat: the README.Debian in a package is a suggested place to list that i think |
| 19:22.52 | liuchong | my debian can hear music,but cannot record any sound |
| 19:22.57 | liuchong | why? |
| 19:23.11 | eshat | liuchong: I doubt, that debian can "hear" music |
| 19:23.36 | \amethyst | it sounds reasonable to add an optional rationale to the Suggests: lines, but of course that's a big dpkg apt etc migration |
| 19:23.46 | \amethyst | maybe X-Suggests-Rationales: |
| 19:23.49 | liuchong | eshat, sorry,i can speak just a little english |
| 19:23.50 | eshat | Arrowmaster: Really? I thought it maybe is helpful to have a apt-get/aptitude command |
| 19:24.03 | eshat | liuchong: no problem, I think we understood your problem |
| 19:24.11 | \amethyst | but, no, there's no machine-readable way to get that information |
| 19:24.20 | eshat | liuchong: try running alsamixer, pressing tab, and check if the microphone is muted |
| 19:25.01 | liuchong | eshat, I have done that, made every to the top |
| 19:25.28 | eshat | \amethyst: I don't think it is technically difficult, since it would be optional, it is just that a lot of policies should be updated |
| 19:25.41 | eshat | It would just be a line in the control file |
| 19:25.46 | Arrowmaster | i dont think they like the idea of adding too many entries to package control files |
| 19:25.57 | \amethyst | eshat: for it to be useful, enough maintainers would have to add the line of course :) |
| 19:26.04 | eshat | liuchong: also check if there is MM under the chanel, if so press Space |
| 19:26.05 | liuchong | eshat, but where can i find the "microphone" |
| 19:26.15 | eshat | liuchong: press TAB and go to inputs |
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| 19:26.52 | eshat | \amethyst: they just have to update that once (in general) and should know best which recommended feature adds which function |
| 19:26.53 | Arrowmaster | remember every control file is part of the repo data that gets downloaded when you do an update |
| 19:27.32 | \amethyst | eshat: sounds worth an email to debian-devel |
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| 19:28.16 | liuchong | eshat, It looks there no "MM" |
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| 19:28.20 | eshat | \amethyst: Arrowmaster: If the control file produces too much traffice (which I doubt), then it could be added to a file which is not downloaded, but available for installed packages |
| 19:28.25 | eshat | and then could be checked with dpkg |
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| 19:29.04 | eshat | \amethyst: I'll write an e-mail to debian-devel later, |
| 19:29.06 | yoshio | CyL: /etc/nsswitch.conf -- do you have a line like "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" ? you need the "files" thing for /etc/hosts to be used |
| 19:29.07 | \amethyst | eshat: yeah, it would probably need to go in available |
| 19:29.11 | Arrowmaster | like i said i thought README.Debian was a suggested place to have that info, and that is only available for installed packages |
| 19:29.13 | \amethyst | eshat: not just installed packages |
| 19:29.13 | liuchong | I have a "Smart 5.1" |
| 19:29.15 | Arrowmaster | but its not required |
| 19:29.21 | \amethyst | eshat: it's most useful for packages that aren't installed yet |
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| 19:30.52 | c0nsense | Hi! if i'm in a lan network with a firewall that block all source ports, just 80 works.. so, i CAN'T login in to my server on the cloud(interner), can i do something to connect there? or the firewall block me same!? any ideas? |
| 19:30.57 | liuchong | eshat, Headphone is gray |
| 19:31.03 | liuchong | eshat, why? |
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| 19:31.07 | eshat | Arrowmaster: amarok for example has no such info, but has like recommended packages, for adding ipod/iphone support |
| 19:31.46 | Vasistha | c0nsense: you are saying that all attempts to connect to ports <> 80 are blocked by the outgoing firewall? |
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| 19:32.47 | liuchong | eshat, Headphone is gray,and there is no MM or mute under |
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| 19:34.54 | c0nsense | Vasistha: when i'm in the lan i cant open any connect on ther other port! just 80 works, for example.. if i try ssh user@host -p 22 it's don't work, but in my house work! so i think that this LAN net that i'm connected have all source ports blocked, except 80! |
| 19:35.08 | \amethyst | then talk to your network admins |
| 19:35.18 | c0nsense | Vasistha: i wanna know if can i use some connect evasion to connect in my remote server out from the LAN! |
| 19:35.57 | \amethyst | you could run ssh on port 80 on some machine you control on the internet |
| 19:35.58 | c0nsense | Vasistha: i cant do nothing there, on the BLOCKED LAN! just open things tha use port 80. |
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| 19:36.18 | kurohyou | hi, can somebody help me with my samba config, i don't seem to get it working, everything is mounted, i've made a user for samba but when i write to the share it says i don't have permission , -http://pastebin.com/Qw1wBz1i |
| 19:36.21 | \amethyst | then ssh -p 80 to that machine, and ssh from there to the cloud server |
| 19:36.28 | Vasistha | c0nsense: my guess is that you are probably stuck; it is probably not possible. I have had this issue before on e.g. public wifi hotspots, where I can browse the web but can't open a POP or SMTP connection to check email |
| 19:36.44 | liuchong | eshat, hello? |
| 19:36.55 | \amethyst | there are other things you can do, like setting up a SOCKS proxy on port 80 somewhere, but for just ssh this is probably the simplest |
| 19:37.00 | eshat | liuchong: no iea, sorry |
| 19:37.08 | liuchong | es |
| 19:37.18 | liuchong | eshat, thanks |
| 19:37.22 | Vasistha | \amethyst: what a wonderful and creative solution, thanks. |
| 19:37.28 | \amethyst | however, your network admins might do packet inspection to look for ssh packets |
| 19:37.49 | karlpinc | Vasistha: I like connecting with openvpn to home, and from there to anywhere. YMMV. |
| 19:37.52 | \amethyst | in which case you'd have to use some https-based port forwarder, and I'm not aware of those |
| 19:38.10 | \amethyst | s/'m not aware of/ don't know anything about/ |
| 19:38.11 | karlpinc | Vasistha: UDP does not tend to be blocked. |
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| 19:40.17 | Vasistha | karlpinc: curious, what kind of home connection do you need to have in order to make an inbound openvpn connection possible? |
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| 19:41.31 | \amethyst | one where you can accept incoming traffic (you may need to open a port on your router) |
| 19:42.00 | \amethyst | and if you want to connect to it from this restricted network, one where you can accept incoming traffic on port 80 |
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| 19:42.11 | \amethyst | lots of ISPs block or at least monitor port 80 |
| 19:42.15 | \amethyst | (incoming) |
| 19:42.36 | \amethyst | so they can upsell you to a "business" contract |
| 19:42.58 | gnarface | i thought openvpn was a different port... not 80 |
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| 19:43.11 | \amethyst | you can run whatever you want on whatever port you want |
| 19:43.21 | gnarface | i meant standardly |
| 19:43.24 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 19:43.30 | gnarface | i don't think its 22 |
| 19:43.38 | gnarface | even though it also uses ssl like ssh does |
| 19:43.42 | wols | how can I tell apt-get which source file to get when both squeeze and sid deb-src lines are in sources.list? |
| 19:44.05 | gnarface | !tell wols about pinning |
| 19:44.06 | gnarface | ? |
| 19:44.16 | yoshio | wols: maybe "-t squeeze", just guessing |
| 19:44.32 | gnarface | yea that will work too |
| 19:44.33 | wols | yoshio: that's the first thing I tried... |
| 19:44.37 | wols | gnarface: for source? |
| 19:44.43 | gnarface | shrug |
| 19:44.47 | gnarface | why not? |
| 19:44.58 | gnarface | can't say i've tried it myself though but pinning worked for binaries |
| 19:45.16 | yoshio | wols - apt-get man page -- source pkg [ { =pkg_version_number | /target_release } |
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| 19:45.55 | \amethyst | though apt-get -t source seems to work here |
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| 19:46.22 | yoshio | apt-get source package/squeeze |
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| 19:48.14 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.36 | wols | amee2k: I tried -t squeeze first and still got .38 |
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| 19:49.05 | rypervenche | wols: Do /stable |
| 19:49.20 | gnarface | wols: you did run apt-get update after you amended your sources.list right? |
| 19:49.54 | wols | gnarface: obviously, or it wouldn't have squeeze sources |
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| 19:50.19 | wols | rypervenche: /stable gives .38 too |
| 19:50.44 | gnarface | oh sorry |
| 19:50.49 | gnarface | i wasn't paying attention |
| 19:50.58 | gnarface | i think that's actually the current kernel in squeeze... |
| 19:50.59 | gnarface | one sec |
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| 19:51.10 | rypervenche | oh you want the source? uhhh, /source maybe |
| 19:51.16 | Vasistha | any time estimate for a lenny -> squeeze upgrade, for a typical desktop user/ |
| 19:51.17 | wols | ,kernels |
| 19:51.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 19:51.32 | wols | Vasistha: mainly dependent on network speed imho |
| 19:51.48 | gnarface | nope i'm on crack |
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| 19:52.30 | kurohyou | hi, can somebody help me with my samba config, i don't seem to get it working, everything is mounted, i've made a user for samba but when i write to the share it says i don't have permission , -http://pastebin.com/Qw1wBz1i |
| 19:52.36 | Vasistha | wols: I was thinking that might be the case, so since I've got one machine on squeeze already, I can make a great majority of the files available over LAN. |
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| 19:55.16 | buhman | ,versions libsdl-mixer1.2 |
| 19:55.18 | judd | Package libsdl-mixer1.2 on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.8-4; sid: 1.2.8-6.3; squeeze: 1.2.8-6.3; wheezy: 1.2.8-6.3 |
| 19:55.26 | buhman | that's distressing |
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| 19:58.57 | wols | kurohyou: ls -ld /mnt/mdc |
| 19:59.04 | karlpinc | Vasistha: A great deal depends on how much you've changed config files/how much manual work you must integrate with new configs. Be sure to follow the squeeze release notes documentation when upgrading. |
| 19:59.39 | TiCPU | There is a bug in squeeze/stable python3 (python 3.1.3) which is fixed in rc1, how can I proceed to install 3.1.3-rc1 or 3.2* ? |
| 19:59.52 | kurohyou | wols: thnx, found it already, was exactly that |
| 20:00.01 | wols | !tell TiCPU about backports |
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| 20:00.15 | Vasistha | karlpinc: alright, sounds good. I'm thinking probably 3 hours is good for Dad's computer, whereas I probably need to put aside an entire day for my own. |
| 20:00.18 | libertad0 | it's posible, load a image externaly from a pdf? |
| 20:00.45 | wols | libertad0: probably, as an url |
| 20:00.47 | Vasistha | libertad0: pdftk can extract images from pdf's iirc |
| 20:01.25 | libertad0 | I wan to load a image in a pdf. |
| 20:01.28 | libertad0 | *IN |
| 20:01.39 | libertad0 | like html |
| 20:01.54 | libertad0 | <image src="myimage.jpg" /> |
| 20:02.02 | \amethyst | you want to make a PDF with one page, that contains an image? |
| 20:02.13 | \amethyst | or that has other things in addition to the image |
| 20:02.26 | Vasistha | libertad0: oh, you want to display a pdf inline in html. That is a question for #html |
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| 20:02.43 | \amethyst | I'm confused I think |
| 20:02.50 | libertad0 | I have 1000 pdf files, and I want to reduce the size of the pdf loads an external image |
| 20:02.52 | karlpinc | Vasistha: I think he wants the reverse, to display html inline in a pdf. |
| 20:03.05 | libertad0 | No |
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| 20:03.36 | Vasistha | karlpinc: every time he says something, I get a very different idea of what he wants. |
| 20:03.55 | wols | libertad0: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adobe.com%2Feducation%2Fresources%2Fhed%2Finstructional%2Fconnect%2Fcollaborative_teaching%2Fpdfs%2Fadd_links_buttons_PDF.pdf&rct=j&q=put%20url%20in%20pdf%20file&ei=WtTSTcXJEZDPsgba4rSmCQ&usg=AFQjCNFVygvIRmMGo5cNm-FijVUPrao4TA&sig2=tp4XdYRzyJNbC9UqEB-K6A&cad=rja |
| 20:04.01 | Vasistha | libertad0: I don't understand what you mean when you say "reduce the size of the pdf loads an external image" |
| 20:04.20 | \amethyst | oh |
| 20:04.35 | \amethyst | he wants a PDF that, instead of containing an image, pulls one from an external location |
| 20:04.47 | \amethyst | like the <img> tag in HTML |
| 20:05.01 | libertad0 | Vasistha: Size in Disk |
| 20:05.21 | Vasistha | libertad0: you have 1000 pdf files, and for each one, you want to reduce its disk size? |
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| 20:06.11 | libertad0 | Vasistha: Yes, Each pdf file has several different text images but I want to load these images externally |
| 20:06.14 | karlpinc | \amethyst: That sounds like a very un-PDF-like thing to do. |
| 20:06.14 | \amethyst | it's possible, but isn't part of the ISO PDF standards, so might be specific to Adobe's implementation |
| 20:06.25 | \amethyst | I don't know how to actually generate such a PDF |
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| 20:07.24 | Vasistha | libertad0: erm. you want to extract the images from each pdf, and replace each image with a reference to a copy of the image stored locally on disk? |
| 20:07.26 | \amethyst | it's called an "external stream" or "alternate image" |
| 20:07.46 | karlpinc | thought the whole point of a pdf was to be self-contained, and portable. |
| 20:07.48 | libertad0 | Vasistha: yes, voila! |
| 20:08.03 | robokop | external objects/streams aren't widely supported in different pdf-viewers |
| 20:08.10 | Vasistha | libertad0: see \amethyst's last three messages ^^^ |
| 20:08.17 | TiCPU | wols, does squeeze-backports contain package from wheeze or from squeeze (for lenny)? |
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| 20:08.51 | karlpinc | libertad0: You're probably better off doing OCR on the text images and converting everything to text. |
| 20:08.54 | streuner_ | TiCPU: omg, is that a question |
| 20:09.19 | Arrowmaster | TiCPU: squeeze-backports is packages from wheezy ment to be installed on squeeze |
| 20:09.27 | Vasistha | TiCPU: squeeze-backports has nothing for lenny. only lenny-backports has things for lenny. |
| 20:09.41 | TiCPU | okay. just making sure. |
| 20:10.11 | libertad0 | karlpinc: I'm not talking about text, I'm talking about photos. Imagine a manual in different languages, same pictures but different text. |
| 20:10.37 | \amethyst | each language in a different PDF file? |
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| 20:10.43 | libertad0 | The question is to load the images externally for the pdf do not occupy much space on your hard disk |
| 20:10.46 | dios_mio | !alsa |
| 20:10.46 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:10.52 | robokop | libertad0: how about on demand generating of the version you want? |
| 20:11.02 | libertad0 | yes |
| 20:11.04 | wols | TiCPU: packages for squeeze from wheezy and possibly sid |
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| 20:11.08 | \amethyst | I don't know if you can do that with local files; external streams usually use http, and there are security problems with letting PDFs access your filesystem |
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| 20:11.29 | robokop | wols: no packages from sid, that is sloppy backports |
| 20:11.52 | libertad0 | \amethyst: The same path '' |
| 20:11.52 | TiCPU | well, it seems python3.2 hasn't been backported :( |
| 20:11.52 | \amethyst | there could be security problems, too, with letting PDFs access your network, which is part of the reason not all viewers support it |
| 20:12.11 | ketsa | gdm3 sucks |
| 20:12.13 | \amethyst | libertad0: doesn't matter; if you put a PDF in your home directory you wouldn't want it reading your .bash_history :) |
| 20:12.15 | libertad0 | \amethyst: locally |
| 20:12.46 | streuner_ | ketsa: great, out of experiemental? |
| 20:13.09 | ketsa | squeeze |
| 20:13.32 | streuner_ | gdm3 is in stable? |
| 20:13.33 | \amethyst | libertad0: I suspect PDF doesn't support what you want to, but if you can figure out how to make a PDF with an external stream, you could try a file:// URI |
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| 20:13.52 | \amethyst | streuner_: yup |
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| 20:14.08 | \amethyst | (so is gdm) |
| 20:14.10 | robokop | well pdf has some ecma scripting features, thus why not run that js vm i read about and run debian in it to display the image :P |
| 20:14.18 | kn0x | anyone running a newer kernel on sarge or older? |
| 20:14.20 | ketsa | i cant understand the choice to reduce fonctionality. |
| 20:14.34 | jelly-home | kn0x: define "newer" |
| 20:14.45 | TiCPU | If I use 'dpkg -i' on wheezy's python3.2 (and its deps), I guess this is bad heh? |
| 20:15.03 | karlpinc | streuner_: Yes. Used by default. |
| 20:15.14 | jelly-home | TiCPU: it probably won't work |
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| 20:15.32 | TiCPU | python3.2-minimal and python3.2 I'll try |
| 20:15.46 | kn0x | jelly-home: >= 2.6.33 |
| 20:16.08 | Vasistha | !tell ketsa about ask |
| 20:16.15 | jelly-home | kn0x: then, "no" |
| 20:16.25 | kn0x | jelly-home: is that not possible? |
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| 20:16.46 | Vasistha | oops, sorry ketsa, that was meant for kn0x |
| 20:17.22 | kn0x | !tell kn0x about ask |
| 20:17.25 | jelly-home | kn0x: dunno, never needed to try |
| 20:17.44 | Vasistha | kn0x: fyi you can also simply /msg dpkg ask |
| 20:18.02 | kn0x | jelly-home: what kernel you running on sarge? |
| 20:18.20 | kn0x | Vasistha: this is my question, i just want to see if a newer kernel like that could run on sarge |
| 20:18.26 | nsadmin | are backports on all the mirrors now? |
| 20:18.42 | Vasistha | kn0x: my guess is that you'll have udev issues |
| 20:18.46 | jelly-home | kn0x: not running any sarges any more. But kernels from release+1 typically worked well |
| 20:18.52 | jelly-home | Vasistha: what "udev" |
| 20:19.05 | nsadmin | kn0x, I think backports has dropped sarge support awhile ago |
| 20:19.30 | jelly-home | kn0x: what are you really trying to achieve |
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| 20:19.40 | daemonkeeper | A "while" is sort of an euphemism |
| 20:19.55 | Vasistha | jelly-home: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev ... but methinks you probably know more about this than I do |
| 20:20.05 | nsadmin | a while is a whine without a sound |
| 20:20.11 | jelly-home | Vasistha: I mean there's no udev on sarge. |
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| 20:20.46 | jelly-home | therefore no issues |
| 20:21.03 | Vasistha | jelly-home: wouldn't e.g. kernel 2.6.33 require udev, though? |
| 20:21.07 | nsadmin | so a newer kernel wouldn't need udev? |
| 20:21.13 | jelly-home | no. |
| 20:21.27 | jelly-home | a kernel doesn't require udev, why would it? |
| 20:21.29 | TiCPU | well, I fixed it in python itself finally, luckily python has .py file for its libs :) |
| 20:21.46 | nsadmin | jelly-home: I was just about to ask that |
| 20:22.04 | gnarface | jelly-home: because it was grabbed as a requirement when we upgraded from pre-udev kernels? its easy to see how this assumption could be news to us |
| 20:22.24 | jelly-home | gnarface: no, that's just debian's silly packaging |
| 20:22.35 | nsadmin | however I can't find answer to either "why would it" or "why wouln't it" |
| 20:22.35 | guardian1 | should i rather add dirs in /etc/skel or do mkdir in adduser.local? also knowing that copying from /etc/skel doesn't keep permissions and ownership |
| 20:22.39 | robokop | kn0x: 2.4.36 new enough, running that version on my 386 |
| 20:22.50 | gnarface | i like to learn things :) |
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| 20:23.01 | libertad0 | well, thanks guys :( I go to google |
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| 20:23.50 | nsadmin | libertad0: keep track of your results with searching... they might turn out to be helpful next time you ask |
| 20:23.57 | jelly-home | gnarface: debian upgrades try hard to keep your system bootable; that doesn't mean it's absolutely necessary to do things their way, however |
| 20:24.03 | robokop | libertad0: i really think the js vm implementation and running debian is your best chance :P |
| 20:24.19 | Vasistha | libertad0: Well good luck anyway. I suppose you've already considered creating html documents instead of pdf |
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| 20:24.55 | nsadmin | it's possible to "print to pdf" |
| 20:25.04 | dios_mio | if you are using windowmaker as a wm, what is a better alternative for xterm? |
| 20:25.31 | robokop | dios_mio: uxterm, it adds utf8 support |
| 20:25.31 | nsadmin | dios_mio: anything that runs a shell and lets you type into it |
| 20:25.35 | jelly-home | dios_mio: rxvt-unicode-lite might be it |
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| 20:25.45 | dios_mio | thanks guyz |
| 20:25.58 | jelly-home | uxterm doesn't have transparency <g> |
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| 20:26.25 | nsadmin | !test |
| 20:26.26 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 20:26.34 | jelly-home | an, uxterm is basically a wrapper for xterm -u8 |
| 20:26.45 | robokop | i want my wm to handle transparancy, not my window itself, it just uses the system bg as its bg most of the time |
| 20:27.11 | robokop | jelly-home: yeah i know, but it is an improvement over xterm without parameters |
| 20:27.51 | jelly-home | I prefer the terminal do it, so just the background is (partially) transparent and not the characters |
| 20:28.05 | eshat | Arrowmaster: \amethyst: Mail is out |
| 20:28.26 | robokop | jelly-home: is it real transparency or fake with those bg stuff? |
| 20:28.28 | gnarface | dios_mio: there are several packages of rxvt-unicode. if you're running X you want rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 20:28.36 | jelly-home | robokop: it has both. |
| 20:28.58 | jelly-home | gnarface: all of them are for X! |
| 20:28.58 | dios_mio | thanks gnarface |
| 20:29.10 | robokop | ke, nice, so better features then gnome-terminal and less resource heavy |
| 20:29.15 | jelly-home | it's a terminal emulator for X! |
| 20:29.25 | gnarface | jelly-home: yes they are but that one supports more background colors |
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| 20:29.42 | jelly-home | gnarface: that's only important if you care about more colors |
| 20:29.52 | gnarface | jelly-home: trust me, he cares |
| 20:30.16 | jelly-home | I like the ttf-less package because it's slightly faster |
| 20:30.26 | karlpinc | thinks that transparency in a terminal emulator is like transparency in a toliet bowl; it sounds like a good idea until you actually use it. |
| 20:31.04 | gnarface | karlpinc: its good if the colors are well chosen... hence the fancier rxvt-unicode package |
| 20:31.04 | jelly-home | karlpinc: sounds like someone who didn't actually use it |
| 20:31.24 | gnarface | well either that or someone who poops on his terminals... |
| 20:32.27 | karlpinc | How can you read text if the background is bleeding through? |
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| 20:33.06 | gnarface | karlpinc: you pick darker colors |
| 20:33.08 | robokop | i prefer my windows to be solid too, except for the occasional transparant overlay with a movie/series |
| 20:33.32 | karlpinc | gnarface: My X background is black, except where it's white. |
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| 20:33.58 | gnarface | karlpinc: were you raised by dr. evil or something? |
| 20:34.31 | jelly-home | likes things contrasty |
| 20:34.42 | gnarface | likes http://digitalblasphemy.com/ |
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| 20:35.28 | eshat | #debian-devel |
| 20:36.31 | robokop | my background used to be gray and rasterized |
| 20:37.04 | karlpinc | gnarface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hyperion_true.jpg |
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| 20:37.43 | gnarface | karlpinc: that's your background? |
| 20:38.58 | karlpinc | gnarface: Yup. |
| 20:40.01 | karlpinc | gnarface: That's where my Dad has his souper-secret lair! |
| 20:40.08 | gnarface | hahaha |
| 20:40.29 | gnarface | i'm pretty sure there's a fake rendering of it on digitalblasphemy that is much more exciting and colorful |
| 20:40.33 | gnarface | probably with rainbows |
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| 21:05.23 | Yancho | guys - anyone can help me pls? we have a problem where lspci -n -t shows 8086:10c9 as device id - wherease udev shows 8086:10e8 (correctly) - any idea how to force pci to update please? |
| 21:06.11 | dvs | Yancho: update-pciids as root |
| 21:06.12 | Bushmills | update-pciids |
| 21:06.19 | dvs | yeah right! ;-) |
| 21:06.28 | Yancho | cool trying it |
| 21:06.30 | Bushmills | though recently had the domain a problem |
| 21:06.58 | Bushmills | seeems to be ok again |
| 21:08.07 | Yancho | dvs, well its 26th april - but bizarely is that half of the nic (its a 4 port) shows the right drivers |
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| 21:09.47 | Bushmills | update of pci ids is only the translation of read numeric ids to company and model strings |
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| 21:10.21 | Yancho | any idea for our case than Bushmills ? |
| 21:10.22 | Bushmills | the read ids are as coming from the device pci registers |
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| 21:10.37 | Yancho | so basically to update the device pci registers what to do ? |
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| 21:11.03 | Bushmills | you can't. manu and model id are read-only |
| 21:11.51 | Yancho | so how come this card is showing 2 ports as 10c9 and 2 as 10e8 .. on the same card :O ? worst udev finds the 4 as 10e8 |
| 21:11.55 | Bushmills | some regs you can write, such as the base address registers, on the same page. but not a lot you can do for device ids |
| 21:12.22 | Yancho | we have another 2 identical cards in the machine where all ports are returned as 10e8 |
| 21:12.40 | Yancho | the ones coming back as 10c9 are not loaded and unusable |
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| 21:13.57 | Bushmills | defective? |
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| 21:16.59 | Yancho | udev identifies them as valid nics but ethtool doesn't |
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| 21:17.17 | nsadmin | Bushmills, "mis"labeled? |
| 21:18.04 | Yancho | http://www.intel.com/support/network/sb/cs-012904.htm this shows that the 10c9 is dual port - where we have only 4 ports and even worst is that the next 2 ports are coming as 10E8 on the same card |
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| 21:33.28 | arghh2d2 | I'm running Debian on PPC (mac mini) and whenever I start xmonad and/or awesome keybinds are nil, as in, mod+shift+enter doesn't open a xterm, mod+p doesn't run dmenu, etc... if i start firefox with them, via .xinitrc, i can type into the address bar, google etc... keybinds for dwm work fine.. (i compile dwm if that matters) but awesome and xmonad, no keys |
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| 21:34.16 | MrFrood | arghh2d2: #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:34.26 | gnarface | not that they'll have any clue there either |
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| 21:34.41 | MrFrood | true |
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| 21:34.51 | gnarface | ppc keybindings are often jacked up |
| 21:35.14 | gnarface | i've spent days trying to learn how to fix them only to find an update randomly fix them before i could even figure out how to explain what went wrong |
| 21:35.19 | gnarface | then a few weeks later just break again.... |
| 21:35.25 | gnarface | testing on debian ppc isn't so great |
| 21:35.35 | arghh2d2 | hmmm |
| 21:35.46 | arghh2d2 | think i'll just settle in with dwm thn |
| 21:35.49 | gnarface | my analysis is that most of the maintainers no longer actually use ppc hardware as their primary systems |
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| 21:39.37 | jelly-home | did they ever |
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| 21:40.25 | jelly-home | I think I only ever noticed a single package uploaded as *_powerpc.deb first |
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| 21:41.08 | gnarface | jelly-home: i can only speculate it was before my time |
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| 21:42.04 | gnarface | but its freaking annoying to update and randomly find out you can't M-x in emacs anymore because the alt key's mapping somehow mysteriously got misplaced |
| 21:42.08 | jelly-home | maybe around etch or lenny |
| 21:43.02 | tensorpudding | gnarface: how are you configuring it? |
| 21:43.05 | SparFux | Icedtea lags my firefox a lot. |
| 21:43.30 | gnarface | tensorpudding: old news, old complaint. it started working again as mysteriously as it stopped. |
| 21:43.54 | gnarface | best advice i could get at the time was "just plug a pc keyboard into it instead" |
| 21:44.05 | gnarface | which of course is a *great* solution for a laptop.... /sarcasm |
| 21:44.28 | tensorpudding | gnarface: heh, yeah... |
| 21:44.52 | tensorpudding | gnarface: even if it were a desktop, having to use a pc keyboard instead of a mac one is just not acceptable |
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| 21:45.48 | gnarface | tensorpudding: certainly not but at least it wouldn't have been a physically limiting factor to the machine's usefulness at that point |
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| 21:46.19 | gnarface | OS X had already stopped supporting the thing 3 versions prior by the time i finally put debian on it |
| 21:46.29 | gnarface | so there was no need for an apple key |
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| 21:50.14 | arghh2d2 | for the record, i'm using a pc usb kbd |
| 21:51.02 | arghh2d2 | and the dwm i compiled from source works perfectly so maybe that's why |
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| 21:54.18 | gnarface | arghh2d2: wish i could help, sorry. i'm at the mercy of sid updates on that thing these days. |
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| 22:01.45 | jaggz | how do I filter out ICMP timestamp requests? |
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| 22:01.52 | jaggz | or .. stop from responding to them.. |
| 22:01.59 | Miesco | Is debian 64 bit? |
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| 22:02.10 | Miesco | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:02.12 | dvs | can be |
| 22:02.14 | Miesco | Is that? |
| 22:02.19 | dvs | no |
| 22:02.36 | jelly-home | Miesco: it can be both. "i386" is 32bit "amd64" is 64bit. amd64 is correct even for Intel 64bit cpus. |
| 22:02.37 | ompaul | Miesco: you might want to go a couple of directories to the 64bit one |
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| 22:02.52 | Miesco | k |
| 22:02.59 | ompaul | it can me many other archs |
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| 22:03.31 | Miesco | Should I go 64 bit on a new gaming PC? |
| 22:03.50 | jelly-home | dunno, see if it works out for you |
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| 22:04.16 | ompaul | jaggz: you running windows you should reply if you want to be a good network occupant - to do that you might want to look at iptables blocking or dropping icmp but frankly why bother |
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| 22:06.02 | jaggz | what? |
| 22:06.22 | jaggz | network occupant? |
| 22:06.23 | ompaul | jaggz: you asked about blocking icmp there is no really good reason I can think of to block it iptables -I INPUT -p ICMP --icmp-type 8 -j REJECT |
| 22:06.26 | jaggz | oh.. I see. I gotcha |
| 22:06.49 | jaggz | it can allow vulnerabilities in security with time-based encryption techniques |
| 22:06.51 | ompaul | jaggz: it is nice for neighbours to know how near or far you are |
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| 22:08.30 | jaggz | it would be nice to randomly perturb the answer a tiny bit. .. purterb.. purturb.. |
| 22:08.40 | ompaul | jaggz: that seems like a reason not to use AES in that case |
| 22:08.59 | ompaul | jaggz: and a box that is doing that kind of thing should be behind the network firewall so again why block |
| 22:09.13 | ompaul | or at least speak loudly on the edge of your network |
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| 22:09.56 | jaggz | SSL servers have to have a public IP |
| 22:09.58 | ompaul | jaggz: bottom line all encryption has its failings but using a system that allows side channel attacks because of leaking timing information seems a tad crazy, |
| 22:10.29 | jelly-home | jaggz: you can easily have ssl servers in a private network |
| 22:10.32 | ompaul | jaggz: ahh grasshopper think again about how you can do that |
| 22:10.37 | jaggz | yeah.. it's not actually required to meet some security requirements.. but they bring up the issue as a potential weakness |
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| 22:11.02 | jaggz | ompaul, secure caching server between the two? |
| 22:11.13 | ompaul | jaggz: you are going for security though obsecurity which is ERROR EPIC AND FAIL all in one |
| 22:11.16 | jaggz | jelly, good point.. :) putting that aside however... |
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| 22:12.04 | ompaul | jaggz: no cos your idea has failure built in so you can play clever games in your mind when you are forgetting basic security priniciples so game over use the rule I gave up above |
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| 22:12.25 | dondelelcaro | lets not get hyperbolic here |
| 22:12.34 | jaggz | ompaul, not exactly. The base of a lot of encryption can begin to fail if someone knows the timing.. anyway, I don't utilize it directly myself but it's possible something else does.. that's why they bring it up |
| 22:12.48 | dvs | hates parabolas |
| 22:13.01 | ompaul | gives dvs a pure sphere |
| 22:13.04 | ompaul | dondelelcaro: ack |
| 22:13.05 | dondelelcaro | jaggz: timing for what? ICMP should not have the resolution to tell you about timing attacks. |
| 22:13.27 | gnarface | Miesco: i would say HELL YES at least if you don't have hardware with buggy 64-bit drivers |
| 22:13.35 | jaggz | no, let's get back to the point.. security test companies paid by CC processors point out the provision of ICMP timestamps might pose a risk, but they just note it and do not actually require it for compliance |
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| 22:14.56 | gnarface | can't wait for quantum-entangled network communications to obsolete software encryption entirely |
| 22:15.29 | DetroitLibertyPe | gnarface, what's the command to do that, I forgot |
| 22:15.36 | jaggz | tee? |
| 22:15.39 | gnarface | hahah |
| 22:16.00 | jaggz | shroedingerscat foo.txt |
| 22:16.01 | gnarface | no i think you use nc |
| 22:16.15 | DetroitLibertyPe | /tee test |
| 22:16.18 | DetroitLibertyPe | /nc test |
| 22:16.37 | MrFrood | wonders if quantum-entangled network communications will support finger... |
| 22:16.49 | gnarface | its been done in labs |
| 22:17.02 | DetroitLibertyPe | test |
| 22:17.06 | DetroitLibertyPe | got it! |
| 22:17.11 | gnarface | china even claimed earlier this year (late last year?) to have managed to send a communication to an offshore battleship using it |
| 22:17.24 | gnarface | whether that's true or not... its been done in labs, so one day, its coming |
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| 22:19.15 | mohamed-ragab | i can't find caching-nameserver |
| 22:19.29 | \amethyst | gnarface: it might make more sense to use that to send your encryption keys, then send your messages over a cheaper channel |
| 22:19.39 | dserban | netstat -lnp shows me that something is listening to a port, though no program is associated in the output. How can I find wth netstat is reporting? |
| 22:20.17 | dondelelcaro | dserban: are you running netstat as root? |
| 22:20.23 | gnarface | \amethyst: probably, but it depends on the situation. for a dedicated point-to-point connection imagine having no service bill for the rest of eternity... |
| 22:20.41 | \amethyst | gnarface: no service bill? |
| 22:20.44 | dserban | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 22:20.53 | gnarface | \amethyst: quantum entanglement doesn't use wires |
| 22:21.04 | gnarface | \amethyst: or isp's |
| 22:21.09 | \amethyst | gnarface: you have to get the entangled particles from here to there |
| 22:21.18 | \amethyst | one of them rather |
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| 22:21.45 | gnarface | \amethyst: yea but you only have to do it once. then you just use their motions to communicate ... forever (or till the atoms decay on their own... i think this happens sometimes after a few trillion years) |
| 22:22.16 | \amethyst | gnarface: once you measure a particle and collapse its wavefunction, haven't you lost entanglement? |
| 22:22.23 | MrFrood | thinks \amethyst should study some quantum physics :-| |
| 22:22.56 | gnarface | \amethyst: no i think you shake them back and forth to communicate 0 or 1 in two directions forever... you just need electricity |
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| 22:23.30 | gnarface | *literally* tunneling outside of the fabric of space-time |
| 22:23.38 | dondelelcaro | this is not #physics. |
| 22:23.41 | gnarface | the only thing more powerful than an an ssh tunnel |
| 22:23.44 | gnarface | sorry |
| 22:23.45 | gnarface | i'll stop |
| 22:23.55 | gnarface | i was just waxing romantic there about the future of networking |
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| 22:24.45 | gnarface | so... on to debian |
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| 22:25.05 | gnarface | is it safe to take my wheezy libperl5.10 pins out of my sid box yet? |
| 22:25.12 | gnarface | anyone running pidgin or rxvt-unicode? |
| 22:25.16 | gnarface | or xterm? |
| 22:25.44 | gnarface | seriously |
| 22:25.50 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: best to just ask your question. |
| 22:25.50 | \amethyst | gnarface: I recompiled pidgin |
| 22:25.59 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: that was my question |
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| 22:26.14 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: then the answer is yes. |
| 22:26.39 | \amethyst | gnarface: but pidgin and rxvt-unicode now depend on perl 5.12 |
| 22:26.59 | gnarface | \amethyst: so are you saying you didn't have to compile it? |
| 22:27.26 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: you're telling me that pidgin, xchat and rxvt-unicode are now compatible with libperl5.12 right? |
| 22:27.31 | \amethyst | gnarface: I did then but if I waited until now I wouldn't have had to |
| 22:27.43 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: nope. I'm telling you that I use xterm. |
| 22:27.53 | dondelelcaro | (and rxvt-unicode) |
| 22:28.01 | gnarface | i see |
| 22:28.12 | gnarface | so at least xterm and rxvt-unicode are working with libperl5.12 |
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| 22:28.31 | gnarface | \amethyst: you claim pidgin should now be too but you're using a version you compiled yourself? |
| 22:29.10 | \amethyst | gnarface: I'm not using that version anymore; now I'm using the one in sid |
| 22:29.17 | gnarface | ok |
| 22:29.18 | gnarface | noted |
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| 22:29.25 | gnarface | i'm afraid to push the button |
| 22:29.36 | abrotman | perl is a minor tool .. nothing else depends on it :) |
| 22:29.45 | \amethyst | gnarface: depends on your arch, but the 5.12 version is in i386 and amd64 |
| 22:29.52 | gnarface | noted |
| 22:30.19 | \amethyst | I ended up having some problem with aptitude installing perl-base and libperl5.12 out of order and screwing things up |
| 22:30.38 | blami | anyone knows how to disable certain postinstall hooks (like stupid update-grub) |
| 22:30.50 | blami | ? |
| 22:30.54 | \amethyst | but I didn't think to see if there was a bug report about that, or if it's been fixed |
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| 22:33.37 | abrotman | blami: what's wrong witht that>? |
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| 22:36.53 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 22:37.22 | ragnar76 | i need for an older application /dev/dsp or /dev/sound/dsp . how can i create one? |
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| 22:38.10 | abrotman | ragnar76: IIRC, you want to load the snd_pcm module |
| 22:38.20 | abrotman | or snd_pcm_oss |
| 22:38.25 | ragnar76 | abrotman: i'll give it a try |
| 22:38.45 | dserban | so, no way I can find out what's listening on a port? |
| 22:39.36 | gnarface | dserban: fuser -n or something like that. check the man page |
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| 22:40.35 | ragnar76 | abrotman: it not snd_pcm it's snd-pcm-oss :) that works |
| 22:40.59 | abrotman | dserban: fuser -n tcp <port num> |
| 22:41.16 | ragnar76 | abrotman: but now i have the sound over the speakers and not over my headset. time to figure out how to use this with alsa |
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| 22:41.50 | abrotman | ragnar76: to be honest, it might be easier to put the snd_pcm_oss in yur /etc/modules and reboot .. it may 'fix itself' |
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| 22:42.12 | dserban | abrotman: hmm, doesn't return anything. netstat returns something listening to a port, but no associated process. I'm confused |
| 22:42.18 | ragnar76 | abrotman: okay, lets see |
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| 22:42.52 | ragnar76 | brb |
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| 22:44.04 | abrotman | dserban: is it UDP ? |
| 22:45.38 | dserban | abrotman: nope |
| 22:46.17 | abrotman | dserban: fuser -n tcp <portnum> .. shows nothing? is it being run by inetd ? |
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| 22:46.36 | dserban | abrotman: nothing |
| 22:46.48 | dserban | hmm I'll check the inetd config |
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| 22:47.11 | ragnar76 | re |
| 22:47.29 | dserban | abrotman: inetd != installed |
| 22:47.31 | abrotman | dserban: what is the line from netstat ? |
| 22:47.41 | abrotman | dserban: /etc/inetd.conf |
| 22:47.48 | dserban | abrotman: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:39771 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 22:48.00 | abrotman | dserban: and you're trying to stop that? |
| 22:48.06 | dserban | no such file |
| 22:48.20 | dserban | abrotman: I'm trying to find out wth is listening on that port |
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| 22:48.33 | abrotman | dserban: is portmap installed and running? |
| 22:48.47 | ragnar76 | abrotman: 50% luck. the module is loaded and it seems to work but it is busy. could not be that hard to find out which program blocks it :) |
| 22:48.51 | dserban | abrotman: oh yep it is |
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| 22:49.22 | dserban | abrotman: is that a portmap port? |
| 22:49.30 | abrotman | !dmix |
| 22:49.30 | dpkg | dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem which allows an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix for more information. A sample asound.conf is at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
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| 22:50.49 | ragnar76 | i allready have a .asoundrc with a dmixer |
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| 22:52.21 | smacnay | just watched a woman let her dog relieve his bowels on the front lawn and then walk off without scooping!! |
| 22:52.41 | smacnay | needs a reverse electric fence for dog owners |
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| 22:53.46 | dserban | abrotman: would that be related to portmap? googling the port etc doesn't turn up much for me |
| 22:53.58 | ragnar76 | smacnay: electricity is expensive ;) |
| 22:54.06 | Kaede | Just use a normal fence... |
| 22:54.10 | Kaede | it's suprisingly effective at keeping... people out. |
| 22:54.35 | themill | smacnay: wrong channel? Perhaps you wanted #defocus. |
| 22:54.36 | gnarface | know what works better though? lazers |
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| 22:54.54 | smacnay | ragnar76, not too expensive for my purposes |
| 22:55.20 | abrotman | dserban: do you use nfs or fand ? |
| 22:55.20 | smacnay | themill, I need channel #b@tching |
| 22:55.21 | abrotman | famd |
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| 22:55.47 | ragnar76 | smacnay: ok, 1 or 2 computers less and you got it ;) |
| 22:56.03 | smacnay | true |
| 22:56.04 | ragnar76 | anyway, still no luck with alsa :( |
| 22:56.21 | dserban | i mount some shares from another server via nfs yes |
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| 22:57.49 | nprice | PANDA WATCH |
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| 23:07.06 | djura-san | o/ |
| 23:07.27 | Smerdyakov | After a recent dist-upgrade in testing, the sound card on my NVidia motherboard doesn't seem to be usable anymore. It sends a beep when Gnome starts, but I get "unable to open slave" when running speaker-test. Does anyone happen to know of a recent Debian change that would cause this? |
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| 23:10.38 | MrFrood | Smerdyakov: try running 'alsactl init' as root |
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| 23:10.56 | Smerdyakov | MrFrood, I already did that and rebooted. Didn't work. :( |
| 23:11.06 | bw123 | i get ioslave errors with kde too, even on older kernels |
| 23:11.54 | Smerdyakov | The sound card shows up in alsamixer but not the Gnome volume control, speaker-test, etc.. |
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| 23:12.30 | MrFrood | Smerdyakov: you have fired up a mixer (e.g. alsamixer) to check there is no muting going on and that both the master & pcm sliders are not bottomed out |
| 23:12.45 | Savis | Any one know much about NFS and using it as a Network File storage for Windows Enviroment insted of Samba? |
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| 23:13.37 | Savis | i currently have a road block with useing samba due to a special share permision that i need of Group A full access group B read write modify but no delete..... |
| 23:13.46 | Smerdyakov | Mr_Queue, all the main categories seem to be full volume. Could there be a problem there that would explain why the Gnome volume control program doesn't see the sound card? |
| 23:16.22 | ragnar76 | Smerdyakov: maybe you have to set the right soundcard |
| 23:16.32 | Smerdyakov | ragnar76, and how would I do that? |
| 23:16.37 | bw123 | alsamixer from cli got my card working |
| 23:17.15 | ragnar76 | Smerdyakov: alsamixer, f6, select soundcard |
| 23:17.28 | Smerdyakov | ragnar76, the right one was already selected. |
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| 23:18.18 | ragnar76 | Smerdyakov: was just a quick shot. maybe you have a hdmi card and your sound is piped through it |
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| 23:18.45 | Smerdyakov | Just to be clear, I've had this Debian installation for over 3 years. It was only a recent dist-upgrade that left sound broken. |
| 23:19.23 | Smerdyakov | I don't know what an hdmi card is. I have a basic Intel sound card aboard my NVidia motherboard. |
| 23:19.46 | ragnar76 | Smerdyakov: welcome into the club. i have some probs with authentifications |
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| 23:20.23 | ragnar76 | Smerdyakov: many graphiccards with a hdmi output as also an soundcard on it |
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| 23:21.15 | ragnar76 | s/as/has |
| 23:23.44 | bw123 | speaker-test -t wav |
| 23:24.29 | Smerdyakov | bw123, directed to me? The latest I'm getting there is "Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy". |
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| 23:26.08 | Savis | jesus why the hell is this so complicated |
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| 23:26.14 | Savis | i have spent 2 weeks on this god dman problem lmao |
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| 23:26.23 | Savis | is what im trying to do imposible? |
| 23:27.10 | bw123 | maybe dpkg-reconfigure alsa |
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| 23:28.43 | Smerdyakov | bw123, I don't think such a package exists. |
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| 23:29.56 | Smerdyakov | Woo! I got some static to come out of the speaker! |
| 23:30.10 | bw123 | if you dont have dpkg-reconfigure try dpkg --configure |
| 23:30.15 | dvs | Smerdyakov: with what command? |
| 23:30.20 | Smerdyakov | No, it's "alsa" that doesn't exist. |
| 23:30.32 | Smerdyakov | dvs, speaker-test |
| 23:30.41 | dvs | Smerdyakov: then sound works |
| 23:31.06 | dvs | Smerdyakov: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav |
| 23:31.08 | Smerdyakov | I had to kill a Pulse Audio daemon that was running as a user beside mine. |
| 23:31.16 | bw123 | apt-get install alsa-tools |
| 23:31.29 | Smerdyakov | dvs, yup, works perfectly. |
| 23:31.45 | Smerdyakov | And now my sound card appears in the Gnome volume thingy, too. |
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| 23:32.04 | Smerdyakov | Highly peculiar that I would have to kill a process to get this to work.... |
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| 23:33.59 | gnarface | Smerdyakov: pulse audio sucks. uninstall it and be happy |
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| 23:34.26 | dvs | destroy it1 |
| 23:35.02 | rypervenche | I just updated my kernel to 2.6.38.6 on Debian 6.0.1 stable. I am updating my Nvidia kernel, however when I try to install nvidia-glx, it comes with dependencies, linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 and nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486...which is not my architecture. Any ideas how to fix and/or why this is happening? |
| 23:35.29 | gnarface | ooh i just learned this the other day! |
| 23:35.30 | gnarface | dkms |
| 23:35.52 | dvs | for nvidia? |
| 23:35.55 | gnarface | rypervenche: what happens if you try to install nvidia-kernel-dkms instead of nvidia-glx |
| 23:36.01 | gnarface | ? |
| 23:36.08 | gnarface | or something |
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| 23:36.51 | gnarface | dpkg had an info node about it but i can't find it now |
| 23:36.51 | dpkg | gnarface: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:36.58 | gnarface | dpkg nvidia dkms? |
| 23:36.59 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
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| 23:37.08 | gnarface | wow it worked |
| 23:37.31 | gnarface | rypervenche: ^^^ |
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