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| 00:32.13 | rypervenche | Can anyone here do me a favor? Does anyone have a file or directory called "linux" in /usr/src/ ? |
| 00:33.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: anyone |
| 00:33.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 00:33.55 | rypervenche | I knew that was coming >< |
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| 00:34.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | rypervenche: the directory is provided by various soure packages |
| 00:35.10 | rypervenche | I deleted my /usr/src/linux not realizing that it was something I should have on my system. I was told by someone that it was a symlink. I was looking for confirmation. |
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| 00:36.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | rypervenche: its normally a symlnk to the current kernel source you have intalled (iirc) |
| 00:36.23 | boudiccas | !anyone |
| 00:36.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 00:36.41 | rypervenche | Ok, good. I'll just make make a new symlink then. Thank you Kamping_Kaiser. |
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| 00:38.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | rypervenche: np |
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| 00:42.56 | Craigwd_2000 | Is there a #debian-multimedia channel...? Is it on this server or irc.oftc.net...? |
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| 00:45.20 | themill | Craigwd_2000: what are you wanting to ask? |
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| 00:46.32 | Craigwd_2000 | Themill: I was wondering about the availability of Songbird 1.9.1 in the Debian Multimedia Repo... |
| 00:47.09 | themill | Craigwd_2000: there's no channel for the debian-multimedia.org repo; you can try emailing the maintainer directly. |
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| 00:48.04 | Craigwd_2000 | Themill: thanks. |
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| 00:49.45 | djura-san | how to enable 3d modules for nouveau on sid? |
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| 00:50.34 | djura-san | 2d module is faster than ever but i would like to play some basic 3d games on nouveau so im not sure how to that |
| 00:50.51 | Craigwd_2000 | My main concern is how well my 8 GB Second Generation iPod Touch would be supported by Amarok 2...: I'd like to put some eBooks on it for reading while on the train: my Dad, Grandma & I are going to visit Philidaphia, PA & I just don't trust my laptop for that given past experiences with Linux's ACPI support regarding my particular PC laptop in general... |
| 00:51.55 | Craigwd_2000 | Would Calibre work for that...? |
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| 00:52.25 | Craigwd_2000 | I'm assuming that Amarok 2 just handles the music & video files... |
| 00:53.16 | I_Died_Once | ok, i managed to screw up grub and i can not boot into my system... its a netbook with no DVD drive... when i boot over the network into the PXE i installed with and ran the rescue module, it wont install grub without wanting to reinstall all of debian --- HELP! |
| 00:53.28 | Craigwd_2000 | Or do I need another app for transferring the .m4a & mp4 files...? |
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| 00:55.29 | Qation | Hi, I'm trying to play minecraft but with the ati catalyst proprietary drivers, it gives me this error: http://pastie.org/1919328 This when run from a terminal: http://pastie.org/1919334 It worked before so maybe an update broke it |
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| 00:57.57 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:58.07 | Qation | Can anyone help me? |
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| 00:59.15 | wxg4net | HDA NVidia Chip: VIA VT1708S no sound help run alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e30beeeda341da5e679ca23ea1205ad475bdaefb |
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| 01:09.38 | Craigwd_2000 | I_Died_Once: I managed to find this excellent how-to about using the Gentoo based x86 SystemRescueCD for repairing PCs from a PXE Server: http://bit.ly/baRhE1. Here's a link to their SF.net Project Page where you can download the current version ISO Image: http://bit.ly/mOchKn.: I really hope this stuff helps you to recover your netbook...(: |
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| 01:21.02 | rafuch0 | hi hey i have this linea in my apt sources.listr file |
| 01:21.03 | rafuch0 | deb http://www.backports.org/debian squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 01:21.17 | rafuch0 | but is failing at the aptitude update |
| 01:21.27 | rafuch0 | the line change or something? |
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| 01:24.13 | I_Died_Once | thank you, Craigwd_2000 - I am working on that now |
| 01:24.18 | I_Died_Once | thanks again |
| 01:24.56 | bw123 | I_Died_Once: what did you do? |
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| 01:25.11 | I_Died_Once | ok... |
| 01:25.20 | xiamx | my system load is 7.6 while cpu usage is only about 5% avg, what could be wrong? |
| 01:25.21 | rafuch0 | http://pastebin.com/uvwsjkY9 |
| 01:25.26 | rafuch0 | check ... |
| 01:26.07 | I_Died_Once | its an Acer One and I followed some of the instructions to the T here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
| 01:26.38 | bw123 | why did you have to fool with grub |
| 01:27.08 | I_Died_Once | I did the part about getting the full screen resolution... Create the file "/etc/grub.d/01_915resolution":........ |
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| 01:27.43 | I_Died_Once | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#Screen_resolution:_11_inch_model |
| 01:28.48 | bw123 | yeah I see all that, so do you have a rescue cd |
| 01:28.53 | I_Died_Once | now, i get 'Welcome to GRUB' and the screen goes blank |
| 01:29.29 | I_Died_Once | when i boot the rescue module, it doesnt want to install grub without reinstall the OS altogether |
| 01:29.45 | bw123 | use a cd |
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| 01:29.55 | I_Died_Once | its a netbook, no drive |
| 01:30.27 | bw123 | borrow a usb cd |
| 01:31.09 | I_Died_Once | you anywhere near Savannah, GA? |
| 01:31.12 | I_Died_Once | anyone? |
| 01:31.20 | I_Died_Once | ...with a USB DVD? |
| 01:33.40 | Delahunt | I_Died_Once, can you afford one? also, have you googled for how to install from USB stick? |
| 01:33.51 | I_Died_Once | i'm doing that now |
| 01:34.08 | rafuch0 | ahh yes the line change |
| 01:34.11 | rafuch0 | got it |
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| 01:34.20 | I_Died_Once | i dont want to mess with the intricacies of a PXE |
| 01:35.23 | Delahunt | you might need to |
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| 01:37.53 | q_a_z_steve | Hey, I had problems getting one of the 6.0.0 DVD's down, are they still available via torrent? I cannot get the listing to work via cdimages.debian.org |
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| 01:41.11 | Craigwd_2000 | Q_a_z_steve: Have you tried jigdo-ing the ISO yet...? If you can find a nearby mirror with all of the files that's the fastest way I know of for getting Debian... Just type US after pasting in the .jigdo file to get a listing of all the Debian servers along with abbreviations of what state or Federal a |
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| 01:41.32 | Craigwd_2000 | Area* they're located in... |
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| 01:47.26 | q_a_z_steve | Craigwd_2000: What does this even mean? >> It features easy mirror selection and "upgrading" of older images to the latest release. |
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| 01:52.33 | Craigwd_2000 | Q_a_z_steve: The mirror selection is a text based menu: you type in your country code, hit enter, then use Copy & Paste to specify the mirror to grab the .debs from... Upgrading is mainly useful for going from one minor or major release to the next...: you paste in the old .ISO Image from your file browser, hit Enter & wait for it to finish scanning in the .debs...: then it grabs from the mirror you selected only the . |
| 01:52.33 | Craigwd_2000 | that are of newer versions: i.e. the ones that change periodically from release to release... |
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| 01:56.03 | Craigwd_2000 | It then reuses the unchanged .debs for when it attempts to rebuild the image as it downloads only the changed .debs...: after every 10 files or so it writes to a temporary ISO Image of sorts until all the files have been Downloaded & at the end it verifies the ISO Image's MD5SUM automatically on the fly... |
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| 01:56.44 | q_a_z_steve | I tried .jigdo way back when... torrent is still what I would like to do I think. |
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| 01:59.05 | q_a_z_steve | Craigwd_2000: What do you see when you load this link? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/project/build/6.0.0/i386 |
| 01:59.21 | Craigwd_2000 | Q_a_z_steve: What I don't like about .torrents is that most of the Distros I'm interested in or that I actually find useful usually have barely anyone online to seed the files & then BitTorrent is as slow as a snail... |
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| 02:00.53 | Seth_Hikaru | Bushmills: You around? |
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| 02:01.09 | q_a_z_steve | but jigdo is then dependent on how fast *servername wants to be serving up http then right? i.e. never more than 800KBPS imo |
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| 02:03.00 | arp- | Hola Software Libre ! |
| 02:03.44 | q_a_z_steve | I guess my main issue atm is where the crap did the listings even go...? Seems like that whole .../project/... fork is busted. |
| 02:04.38 | Craigwd_2000 | Q_a_z_steve: I just see the text cd dvd in FF 4.0/my fink ported TenFourFox for Big Endian/PowerPC Macs... That might also be due to the fact that I live in VT which has periodic DNS outages & FairPoint is our crappy, slow ISP & our router/internet connection has a weird tendency to freeeze periodically... Sometimes on my PC laptop Debian.org is completely un-reachable...; that's how un-reliable rural VT Broadband Int |
| 02:04.40 | Craigwd_2000 | Access is... |
| 02:05.25 | q_a_z_steve | I see that too though |
| 02:05.30 | q_a_z_steve | :( |
| 02:06.01 | q_a_z_steve | New question: Where are the changelists for 6 - > 6.0.1 and 1a ? |
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| 02:07.32 | Craigwd_2000 | Q_a_z_steve: That's why I always use servers that are FTP rather than HTTP when jigdo-ing...: gets the job done lightning fast: if you have a fat enough, big enough pipe/connection... |
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| 02:09.37 | q_a_z_steve | meh... bigger better faster, grass is always greener... What jigdo (GUI or otherwise) do you know is good for OSX? |
| 02:09.56 | Anon8226 | how can i have two installations of ice weasel?? one safe and one unsafe |
| 02:10.34 | Anon8226 | I'm not asking how to make it safe, only how to have two ice weasels |
| 02:11.26 | q_a_z_steve | Anon8226: expand cage |
| 02:11.46 | q_a_z_steve | or open freezer door |
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| 02:12.20 | Anon8226 | -.- |
| 02:12.33 | q_a_z_steve | d-_-b |
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| 02:16.39 | Craigwd_2000 | Q_a_z_steve: I've never been able to find a even remotely stable GUI for Jigdo on either OS-X or Linux...; they all constantly glitch up & freeze or in the case of the Linux GUI the window controls eventually corrupt themselves/self destruct...: not at all pretty to watch & occassionally it may take X11 down with itself too... If you must insist on using OS-X the easiest way to get Jigdo is to download & install MacPor |
| 02:16.39 | Craigwd_2000 | update MacPorts, & then run sudo port install jigdo...: the weird part is that jigdo-file is the main executable/Unix binary...; not some file named simply jigdo... |
| 02:17.31 | Galaxor | In apt-get update, what is the meaning of Get vs Hit vs Ign? I can find some forum posts about this, but they are somewhat contradictory. Is there no comprehensive guide to apt? I can only find practical manuals, where the word "Ign" only shows up in examples. |
| 02:18.03 | q_a_z_steve | Ignore, isn't it? |
| 02:18.12 | q_a_z_steve | or rather "ignored". |
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| 02:19.36 | q_a_z_steve | Galaxor:^^ |
| 02:19.42 | Galaxor | q_a_z_steve: What does it mean? In what situations does apt choose to ignore a repo? |
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| 02:21.17 | q_a_z_steve | if something else is sufficient or it can't find a reason to get it, or doesn't have the expected structure of main/packages unstable/packages source/packages to find the lists it needs. |
| 02:23.02 | Galaxor | What does it mean for something else to be sufficient? What reason does it need, beyond being listed in my sources.list, to get the data from the repo? |
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| 02:24.05 | q_a_z_steve | if it's not getting any new stuff since the last apt-get update it may ignore. Also if it doesn't respond in a timely manner. |
| 02:24.21 | q_a_z_steve | what's the real goal here? |
| 02:24.36 | q_a_z_steve | is one of your sources not working and you KNOW you need that one? |
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| 02:26.12 | Galaxor | q_a_z_steve: Indeed. It seems to download the Packages file, and stores it in /var/lib/apt/lists. But then it Ignores the repo and won't get the later versions of the package. |
| 02:26.28 | Galaxor | But more important to me than getting this repo to work is to gain a theoretical understanding of apt. |
| 02:26.42 | q_a_z_steve | are you sure this package doesn't have a hold on it? |
| 02:26.53 | q_a_z_steve | and the other dep are met? |
| 02:27.21 | Galaxor | q_a_z_steve: I looked in the package file and verified the deps by hand. Please tell me about this "hold". |
| 02:28.12 | Galaxor | The most commonly expressed opinion is indeed that Ign means that nothing's changed since the last update. An alternate theory proposes that this is what "Hit" means. This alternate theory does not advance a meaning for Ign. |
| 02:28.48 | q_a_z_steve | I don't know the dpkg flags or anything off the top of my head, but you can "hold" things back from updating if you are developing things which need just that version... |
| 02:29.08 | Galaxor | And, of course, lore seems to be the only information around about this issue (except for the source code; do I have to read that to find out the ultimate truth?) |
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| 02:29.19 | Galaxor | q_a_z_steve: Okay. I'll check out the dpkg manpage about holds. |
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| 02:31.40 | q_a_z_steve | I would actually just recommend apt-get install'ing aptitude and handling deps manually |
| 02:31.48 | handygandy | Hey. 'm using debian testing, when I try to install xchat I get the following error: |
| 02:31.48 | handygandy | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:31.48 | handygandy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.48 | Galaxor | Hm. dpkg --get-selections doesn't show anything on hold. |
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| 02:32.25 | handygandy | Oops. Sorry--guess I cut and paste a couple of newlines. |
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| 02:33.22 | q_a_z_steve | handygandy: you may want to ask in #debian-next, although I don't think I even heard a question in there... |
| 02:33.28 | \amethyst | handygandy: you'll probably have to rebuild it yourself or wait for it to be built against the new Perl |
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| 02:33.54 | \amethyst | that's fine |
| 02:33.57 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 02:36.06 | q_a_z_steve | Craigwd_2000: For which distros are you not getting the support your jockstrap requires? |
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| 02:39.18 | handygandy | q_a_z_steve: What's a jockstrap require? Also how do you get to debian-next? I'm getting invite-only messages. |
| 02:39.23 | Miesco | How would I set up my wireless card? |
| 02:39.44 | Miesco | Like I don't have internet on the computer so I need to set it up somehow |
| 02:40.02 | Miesco | I don't have wireless-tools I dont think |
| 02:40.11 | Miesco | Wait maybe the CD does |
| 02:40.18 | Miesco | yes! |
| 02:41.46 | handygandy | \amethyst: Do you know if the install location in the source packages are the same as the future compiled source? |
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| 02:42.14 | q_a_z_steve | mine requires there to be balls and a junk, size matters. Meanwhile the meat of the question still stands, which distros were you headed for that didn't do enough seeding? |
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| 02:42.39 | q_a_z_steve | Miesco: Win? |
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| 02:42.59 | Miesco | q_a_z_steve: What? |
| 02:43.07 | Miesco | oh yea I won |
| 02:43.24 | q_a_z_steve | your little monologue... Just checking. |
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| 02:44.07 | Craigwd_2000 | Q_a_z_steve: I don't need or want or have any use at all what-so-ever for a jockstrap...; I just can't wait until all distros ship with more modern Kernels with better Wi-Fi support...; I'd also like to see the KDE Edu devs fix Kstars4.../make it work again please... |
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| 02:45.17 | q_a_z_steve | s/jockstrap/bra ? |
| 02:45.42 | q_a_z_steve | KDE !=distro |
| 02:45.50 | Craigwd_2000 | No: I don't need any of that... |
| 02:46.07 | q_a_z_steve | born free. I can dig it |
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| 02:46.57 | Miesco | How do I get there to be a wlan interface? |
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| 02:48.24 | Craigwd_2000 | To anyone who this might be useful to...: I'm planning to go distro-hopping to Kubuntu 11.04 next: I saw online that they are the first to have a fully installable AMD64 Linux Kernel 2.6.39 Image available... :) |
| 02:49.04 | Miesco | How do you make a wireless interface available? |
| 02:49.06 | aguitel_ | 2.6.39 ? |
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| 02:50.52 | Craigwd_2000 | Aguitel: it's so new that even Distro-Watch doesn't know about it...: I read the ChangeLog & there's lots of ath9k fixes included between what I've read about it & Kernel v. 2.6.38.5... |
| 02:51.07 | Craigwd_2000 | Aguitel_* |
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| 02:53.51 | aguitel_ | ok |
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| 02:54.05 | q_a_z_steve | #debian-next is +i right now... might have to ping an Admin |
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| 02:55.02 | Torturedasachild | me 2 |
| 02:55.09 | Torturedasachild | <q_a_z_steve> I'm in #debian... and that's what I was thinking |
| 02:55.21 | Torturedasachild | ma niGGa |
| 02:55.39 | q_a_z_steve | umm right on |
| 02:55.48 | Craigwd_2000 | What's #debian-next...? I'm so confused at this point... |
| 02:56.05 | q_a_z_steve | see /topic |
| 02:56.06 | Torturedasachild | i wipe my ass with debian cds |
| 02:56.46 | Torturedasachild | hmm reminds me |
| 02:56.58 | Torturedasachild | some freak ask me other day if i ever used zorin |
| 02:57.03 | q_a_z_steve | yes, I think that might be what smells |
| 02:57.03 | Torturedasachild | lols :| |
| 02:57.25 | Torturedasachild | wtf zorin |
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| 02:57.45 | Torturedasachild | is just a backdoored OS they use to gather bots |
| 02:57.51 | Torturedasachild | mm yummy |
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| 02:58.58 | q_a_z_steve | gather bots? |
| 03:00.01 | Torturedasachild | yes |
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| 03:00.20 | Torturedasachild | just like ddwrt |
| 03:00.20 | Delahunt | i'm having difficulty finding out how to do this, but i have libdvdcss in a deb from the official website for it (per debian.org) and i tell apt-get install /tmp/libdvdcss* etc but it says it can't find it. copy it to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and it still won't install. anyone know how to manually install a local file (forced)? |
| 03:00.22 | Torturedasachild | same shyt |
| 03:00.52 | Miesco | How do I find out if an option is set in the kernel configuration? |
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| 03:01.12 | Craigwd_2000 | I managed to break the bleeding edge X.org 7.6.0: it's incompatible with the latest ATI 11.5 Catalyst drivers... Where or to whom do I report such breakage...? |
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| 03:01.39 | rypervenche | Delahunt: Either do sudo dpkg -i path/to/libdvdcss2 or get the repo debian-multimedia and get it from there. |
| 03:01.41 | Arrowmaster | Delahunt: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 03:02.06 | mordocai | I'm using exim4 + courier-imap on my debian stable server. I've noticed that when my desktop icedove client connects and filters my email into local servers, the mail disappears from all other imap clients' inbox. Anyone have any idea what part of the setup is causing this behavior? My desired result would be that the emails sort into the local folders on the desktop, then show up in the inbox of all other IMAP clients as well, so they can filter as |
| 03:02.07 | mordocai | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.19 | mordocai | filter my email into local folders* |
| 03:03.01 | Delahunt | gotcha rypervenche Arrowmaster thanks :) |
| 03:03.09 | Torturedasachild | http://i.imgur.com/FqDlP.png |
| 03:03.31 | Craigwd_2000 | In my defense I had no choice...: the default radeon driver kept crashing part of KDE 4.6 |
| 03:03.51 | Craigwd_2000 | 4.6.2 repeatedly... |
| 03:04.12 | anima-bed | Craigwd_2000, thats because kde 4.x sucks ;) |
| 03:04.48 | mordocai | Craigwd_2000: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting? |
| 03:05.31 | mordocai | Alternatively you could complain to the xorg folks and amd :P |
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| 03:06.04 | Arrowmaster | mainly to amd |
| 03:06.17 | Tabmow | Torturedasachild: let's try and keep the conversations on topic please. |
| 03:06.44 | q_a_z_steve | gracias |
| 03:07.38 | Craigwd_2000 | I also can't get the Squeeze amd64 xen kernel installed...; my SimplyMEPIS 11.0 install is less reliable than when it was at 11.0RC2...; which quite frankly makes no sense at all in the least bit... :( |
| 03:08.43 | mordocai | Arrowmaster: I would agree that it is AMD's fault, but I feel it is less likely that they fix it. |
| 03:09.12 | anima-bed | Craigwd_2000, it makes a lot of sense, kde 3.5 is more stable than 4.x, gnome 2 is more stable than gnome 3, win2k is more stable than win7, ktorrent 3 is more stable than ktorrent4 |
| 03:09.15 | Miesco | !package bzip2 |
| 03:09.20 | Miesco | Whats that program in |
| 03:09.31 | Torturedasachild | how bout fuck you |
| 03:09.44 | anima-bed | people are packing too much useless crap into newer packages ;) |
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| 03:11.21 | Craigwd_2000 | The worst part is Dolphin can't be installed & I'm missing some of my MEPIS settings apps... |
| 03:13.43 | Craigwd_2000 | I even tried sudo aptitude -t with both experimental & backports...: it won't even resolve conflicts properly anymore...; I was forced into using sudo apt-get install -f to get a sane response out of apt... |
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| 03:14.32 | anima-bed | Craigwd_2000, so fix it manually ;) |
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| 03:17.09 | Craigwd_2000 | All of this talk about utilizing the mepis IRC channel makes me sick too...: it's always way understaffed... |
| 03:18.30 | q_a_z_steve | Craigwd_2000: so the only two distros I'm seeing use jigdo would be fedora and debian, anybody else? (No one google was seeing advertised it...) |
| 03:19.39 | Craigwd_2000 | Some of the *buntu ISOs are available via Jigdo too...: mostly just the most commonly used ones... |
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| 03:24.09 | Miesco | The debian CD doesn't come with bzip2? |
| 03:26.40 | \amethyst | bzip2 is on CD 1 |
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| 03:29.59 | peterrooney | speaking of jigdo, is there a canonical tool to clean out only obsolete debs from the apt archive? |
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| 03:41.13 | DammitJim | what's autoclean? |
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| 03:42.27 | indigo_ | DammitJim: aptitude autoclean |
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| 03:46.10 | simonlnu | apt-get/aptitude command |
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| 03:49.18 | DammitJim | what does autoclean do? |
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| 03:49.59 | thegoodcushion | Hi everyone. I'm downloading a debian-live image. It is named as -img. Shouldn't it end in .iso? It's 1.1 gig |
| 03:50.26 | wols_ | and from where are you downloading it? |
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| 03:50.44 | \amethyst | thegoodcushion: that sounds like the USB version |
| 03:50.46 | Rusty1 | DammitJim: open a terminal, type:man aptitude and scroll down |
| 03:50.47 | thegoodcushion | torrent |
| 03:51.15 | thegoodcushion | Well I want a live DVD (not an installer version) for 64-bit x86, to burn onto a DVD. What do I need? |
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| 03:51.57 | {aaron} | hi guys, i'm trying to find the upstream home project/source for the binary 'hostname' |
| 03:52.05 | {aaron} | info leads here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/hostname.html |
| 03:52.22 | wols_ | thegoodcushion: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/ anything from there. and they're ALL isos. just cause your windows doesn't show file extensions is simply your misconfiguration |
| 03:52.29 | {aaron} | i can't tell where the scm repo is, or if there even is one... |
| 03:52.57 | \amethyst | wols_: the ones in the usb-hdd directory are .img files like thegoodcushion saw |
| 03:53.44 | thegoodcushion | wols_: so which one do I need to burn to a DVD? |
| 03:53.48 | wols_ | \amethyst: one'd have thought "hdd" was a clue instead of "cd or dvd |
| 03:53.59 | wols_ | thegoodcushion: the aptly named "dvd" directories? |
| 03:54.11 | wols_ | well, ISO in this case |
| 03:54.33 | thegoodcushion | so iso-hybrid? |
| 03:54.35 | wols_ | or if you want torrent: bt-hybrid |
| 03:55.14 | thegoodcushion | well seriously which one do I need? I want to download a .iso file and burn it to a DVD or CD |
| 03:55.16 | {aaron} | (i think i found it https://developer.berlios.de/projects/net-tools/) |
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| 03:56.59 | \amethyst | wols_: oh, I thought maybe by "torrent" he meant he searched for it on a filesharing site and took the first thing that came up |
| 03:57.09 | \amethyst | rather than a torrent from debian.org |
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| 03:57.25 | thegoodcushion | well I'm downloading debian-live-6.0.1-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 03:57.26 | mplabs | Hello |
| 03:57.29 | thegoodcushion | using torrent |
| 03:57.38 | mplabs | is there a way to kill a process in D state? |
| 03:57.40 | wols_ | {aaron}: if you look into /usr/share/doc/hostname/copyright you find earler maintainers. it started as a GNU project it seems and whas then changed by various people. since the last one to change was a debian member, there is no "upstream" anymore probably. tho GNU should still have a copy/project for it |
| 03:57.50 | thegoodcushion | will that allow me to install debian when I'm done playing? |
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| 03:58.10 | wols_ | thegoodcushion: anything from there allows you |
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| 03:58.30 | \amethyst | wols_: debian-live has an installer now (other than debootstrap)? |
| 03:59.30 | q_a_z_steve | what exactly are we considering "hybrid" I didn't go in the front door I guess, cause I didn't see the usage explained |
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| 04:00.08 | wols_ | \amethyst: no. thegoodcushion wants to try debian first, to see if he can get his printer to work before he wants to install it |
| 04:00.24 | wols_ | I wouldn't use debian live for that, but it's his choice |
| 04:00.35 | \amethyst | wols_: right, but the live CD won't allow him to install debian when he's done playing |
| 04:01.06 | wols_ | doesn't look like he's lacking bandwith *shrug* |
| 04:01.10 | \amethyst | q_a_z_steve: AFAIK that means it can be written to a USB stick, not just a CD, and used from there |
| 04:01.17 | q_a_z_steve | \amethyst: is that what a hybrid is, because you can install from it too? |
| 04:01.22 | q_a_z_steve | hmm |
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| 04:01.49 | q_a_z_steve | So it's not like *buntu or Knoppix where live CD has installer on... |
| 04:01.58 | q_a_z_steve | does that not exist for debian? |
| 04:02.00 | wols_ | q_a_z_steve: no. you can run it from a optical drive or a mass storage (usb flash, hdd, etc), so: hybrid |
| 04:02.13 | wols_ | basically it has a partition table and such _and_ a normal iso9660 fs in one |
| 04:02.53 | q_a_z_steve | I follow you, but what about live !include install media? |
| 04:03.16 | \amethyst | oh, apparently D-L does let you build CDs with the installer now, but they're not default |
| 04:03.29 | \amethyst | I hadn't looked at it in well over a year |
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| 04:04.27 | \amethyst | you can even do a "live" install that copies your current filesystem to the new install |
| 04:04.41 | \amethyst | hm, I need to look at live-builder docs again :) |
| 04:05.07 | \amethyst | looks like a lot's been added now that it's more official |
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| 04:06.32 | mplabs | I guess there's no way to kill a process in D state |
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| 04:34.10 | thegoodcushion | While running the debian live DVD, it says 'missing printer driver' for my HP deskjet 2000. Is this a problem only for the live DVD? |
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| 04:47.59 | moses | anyone have experience with dual monitor problems on ubuntu? |
| 04:48.43 | thegoodcushion | moses: no, but you can try #ubuntu |
| 04:48.48 | craigevil | sure people in #ubuntu |
| 04:49.09 | buntunub | ya i had tons of problems in Ubuntu that I never experience with Debian |
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| 04:59.50 | thegoodcushion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:59.59 | dstufft | does Squeeze's php-cgi have php-fpm support in it? |
| 05:00.01 | thegoodcushion | the debian live CD won't recognize my NIC or my wifi |
| 05:00.05 | thegoodcushion | so I can't use it |
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| 05:13.02 | Lancelot | no |
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| 05:13.10 | Lancelot | wifi is an issue |
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| 05:13.33 | Lancelot | thegoodcushion: you can use a wrapper that lets you use windows drivers for your wireless chipset |
| 05:13.46 | thegoodcushion | Well on Ubuntu, the wifi works and the NIC doesn't |
| 05:13.50 | Guest66997 | i want to create a ad-hoc ipv6 connection. could anybody please help me? |
| 05:14.28 | Lancelot | thegoodcushion: well it's all dependent on the hardware you have. Check to see if the manufacturer has linux drivers available |
| 05:14.40 | Lancelot | thegoodcushion: if not use the wrapper and windows drivers. I'll get the name for you |
| 05:14.49 | cahoot | or rather what kernelversion does |
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| 05:15.16 | Lancelot | thegoodcushion: this is the wrapper: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 05:15.27 | Lancelot | there's plenty of tutorials on how to set stuff up |
| 05:15.29 | thegoodcushion | I've often wondered why linux doesn't just create a wrapper that will allow all Windows drivers to work |
| 05:15.32 | Guest66997 | i need to create a ad-hoc ipv6 based network can anybody help me in creating one in debian, i am relatively new so please help me |
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| 05:16.13 | thegoodcushion | So that means my NIC, wifi and printer all don't work on debian. |
| 05:16.27 | Lancelot | not necessarily the printer |
| 05:16.32 | Lancelot | again there may be drivers out there |
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| 05:17.39 | Lancelot | you just need to dig around sometimes |
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| 05:23.04 | mrdeb | can someone help with the hissing from speaker when headphone is plugged in |
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| 05:24.13 | Truttster | Hello can I have help why wont my copy of debian boot? |
| 05:24.31 | Guest66997 | where can i find netwok manager gnome tutorial? |
| 05:24.44 | Truttster | I've burned it to a USB Drive do I have to use something like unetbootin to do this or can I just extract the .iso plainly and copy it to the dvd drive? |
| 05:25.42 | mrdeb | Guest66997: apt-get install network-manager-gnome |
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| 05:26.04 | mrdeb | Truttster: use disk imager |
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| 05:26.20 | Truttster | thank you mrdeb |
| 05:26.22 | Truttster | bye bye |
| 05:27.30 | Guest66997 | mrdeb: i have installed it i need help to configure a ad-hoc network on it so i need a tutorial can u help? |
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| 05:28.18 | mrdeb | Guest66997: i have not configured that |
| 05:29.21 | Guest66997 | mdeb:is there a tutorial online to learn about that? |
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| 05:31.00 | mrdeb | try searching for it |
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| 05:32.54 | thegoodcushion | where can I manually download firmware-realtek.deb? |
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| 05:35.00 | thegoodcushion | craigevil: you bloody legend! My printer works now! |
| 05:35.54 | scampbell | has anyone here successfully preseeded an install on 2tb disk (ie. gpt rather than msdos part)? |
| 05:36.25 | homie | grüne wiesn OS ? |
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| 05:37.48 | craigevil | thegoodcushion, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.28_all.deb or just add non-free to your sources.list |
| 05:38.35 | thegoodcushion | craigevil: Package firmware-realtek is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:38.44 | thegoodcushion | Package firmware-realtek has no installation candidate |
| 05:39.13 | streuner__ | judd, versions firmware-realtek |
| 05:39.15 | judd | Package firmware-realtek on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; sid/non-free: 0.29; wheezy/non-free: 0.29 |
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| 05:44.05 | whomee | hi, when i try to sort a folder and included subfolders i try using "du -sh /home/* | sort -n -r" but for some reason a 16KB folder gets before a 13GB one? |
| 05:44.24 | thegoodcushion | craigevil: thanks for the advice to install hplip from non-free though. I didn't realise that the installed version wouldn't be enough |
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| 05:45.37 | whomee | sorry i found the problem :) |
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| 05:48.04 | mrdeb | can someone help with sound |
| 05:48.24 | homie | brmmmmhhhhhhh, brmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhh |
| 05:48.29 | homie | did it help ? |
| 05:48.43 | homie | lol |
| 05:48.59 | homie | mrdeb: what problem exactly do you have ? |
| 05:49.40 | homie | mrdeb: sound as, is the driver not working, did you forgot to plug something in ?....etc... |
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| 05:50.22 | mrdeb | homie: hissing in speaker when headphone is plugged in |
| 05:50.59 | homie | mrdeb: what level of sound volume did you set ? full ? |
| 05:51.18 | homie | mrdeb: and is other sound like music working ? |
| 05:51.37 | homie | i mean do you hear normal music thru your loudspeakers ? |
| 05:51.39 | mrdeb | yes |
| 05:51.42 | homie | ah ok |
| 05:51.52 | mrdeb | maybe kenrel bug |
| 05:51.52 | homie | what card do you have ? |
| 05:52.04 | homie | or is it on mobo ? |
| 05:53.23 | Bushmills | mrdeb: decrease PCM volume, increase master. decrease headphone volume. or vice versa. |
| 05:53.43 | homie | mute line-out or line-in etc.. |
| 05:53.58 | homie | leave only pcm and master |
| 05:54.07 | Bushmills | disable microphone |
| 05:55.03 | mrdeb | Bushmills: mic is muted. changes volume doesnt make any differnce in hissing |
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| 05:55.39 | homie | are you sure you use the right port for the speakers ? |
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| 05:55.53 | homie | when pluggin those in i mean |
| 05:56.27 | Bushmills | try other headset with different impedance |
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| 05:57.04 | mrdeb | yes |
| 05:57.05 | homie | or if you think it is not the headset or the speakers, try taking your card out |
| 05:57.13 | mrdeb | i ran into this one time beforef |
| 05:57.21 | mrdeb | i think ti was with ubuntu 9.04 |
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| 05:57.27 | mrdeb | never fixed it, without upgrade |
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| 06:04.24 | mrdeb | ? |
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| 06:14.06 | chegibari_ | Hello. I'm running debian 6 on a vmware machine under windows. Is there a way to install vmware tools? |
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| 06:17.13 | whomee | when i get an output by using "du -sh /home/* | sort -n -h" i want to only list the ones with 10GB or more, anyone have any idea how that could be done? |
| 06:17.14 | dawud | chegibari_: apt-cache search vmware tools |
| 06:18.22 | dawud | whomee: sort: options `-hn' are incompatible |
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| 06:18.54 | whomee | ops |
| 06:18.57 | whomee | -r -h i meant |
| 06:18.59 | peterrooney | whomee: | grep [1-9][0-9]G |
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| 06:19.51 | whomee | peterrooney: well thank you :) |
| 06:20.23 | whomee | peterrooney: but does that work on stuff over 100G? |
| 06:20.23 | mrdeb | hi |
| 06:20.24 | dawud | peterrooney, whomee : what if there are files >10GB? I'd go with '...'| egrep "[[:digit:]]{2,4}GB |
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| 06:23.03 | mrdeb | what gui do you use with squeeze |
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| 06:31.07 | scampbell | Could it be that it's simple impossible to preseed a raid on 2tb disk... I can't find a reference to anyone doing it. :( |
| 06:31.45 | scampbell | sorry, just frustrated ... wah |
| 06:31.47 | sda1986 | hi all, I have some crypt USB key, and a terminal server. I shoud use all this crypt key together but I cannot because the lib i use can see only the first usb key connected. Can I use multiple copy of the library connected with a single USB port? |
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| 06:43.05 | gardener2123 | How do I make sure that the time in my Linux guest is the same as in the Windows host? |
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| 06:44.02 | gardener2123 | I am using vmware. |
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| 06:44.51 | Arrowmaster | vmware should have an option or know automatically to report the time to the guest as UTC |
| 06:45.13 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: it does but it's not in the UI |
| 06:45.19 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: you have to edit the vmx file |
| 06:45.35 | Arrowmaster | does it not have a sane default? |
| 06:45.45 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: the default for vmware is local time like a PC |
| 06:45.53 | sep | think the vmware tools had option for that (have not used it since esx4, and only on and with linux) |
| 06:46.10 | Arrowmaster | vbox seems to know what to do correctly |
| 06:46.23 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1002222 |
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| 06:46.54 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: I think you'd set that option to 0 |
| 06:47.16 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: I've been using vbox lately so it's been a while since I did it |
| 06:47.29 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: but I always had to, it never just worked it out from the fact I was installing debian |
| 06:47.29 | Arrowmaster | i havent used vmware in years either |
| 06:47.57 | Dewi | unless debian installer has gotten smarter and compensates better |
| 06:48.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah vbox knows that linux systems use UTC has the hardware clock by default |
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| 06:48.56 | Arrowmaster | i think the installer knows you are installing in vbox now and can install its support tools, dont think its legal to do that with vmware |
| 06:49.20 | Dewi | yeah I noticed that, that could be it too |
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| 06:50.24 | Arrowmaster | if vmware really is that stupid then i doubt an automatic solution could be used to select the value for the setting of if the hardware clock is UTC or local, since if the host is linux it will be UTC but if the host is windows it would be local |
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| 06:51.32 | factor | What is the command to add a dns server to my active use list, I cant just add dns to my resolv.conf anymore. |
| 06:52.18 | Arrowmaster | there is no command, you edit resolv.conf |
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| 06:52.41 | factor | as i have but it is not using it |
| 06:52.57 | factor | and the file says do not edit |
| 06:52.59 | factor | nowdays |
| 06:53.15 | factor | or genrated by network manager |
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| 06:53.45 | factor | Do you have a dns server i can use? I wil try to add another one |
| 06:53.53 | Arrowmaster | 8.8.8.8 |
| 06:54.48 | factor | cool thanks I guess my DNS server was not a dns |
| 06:54.56 | factor | your number worked in the file |
| 06:54.59 | Bushmills | factor: adding another name server to resolv.conf does not mean that it will be used, if there's another one already |
| 06:55.15 | factor | its workign now thanks Arrowmaster |
| 06:55.21 | Bushmills | additonal server are only used when the first ones fail |
| 06:55.26 | factor | local COX dns went down |
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| 06:56.03 | dawud | Dewi, Arrowmaster: when using RHEL or CentOS guest with vmware, it's recommended to use divider=10, check http://www.arrfab.net/blog/?p=62 |
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| 06:57.15 | sat | need to use aodv protocol for my ad hoc network can it be done? |
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| 06:58.35 | sat | need to use aodv protocol for my ad hoc network can it be done? |
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| 06:59.41 | simonlnu | !repeat |
| 06:59.41 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 07:00.59 | simonlnu | !aodv |
| 07:01.09 | simonlnu | you could google for that too |
| 07:01.15 | Scall | How can I do High ASCII characters like this -> ☺ or this -> ▲ in │ _magez_ |
| 07:01.27 | Scall | a GNU/Linux system? |
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| 07:03.44 | simonlnu | !compose |
| 07:03.44 | dpkg | To enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command, or http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html |
| 07:03.53 | simonlnu | Scall: ^^ |
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| 07:04.23 | simonlnu | also setting up the keyboard-configuration package |
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| 07:05.46 | simonlnu | !compose sequences |
| 07:05.46 | dpkg | The complete list of combinations of compose sequences is in /usr/share/X11/locale/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (utf8 is default). See also http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html or ask me about <compose> |
| 07:07.20 | simonlnu | !compose sequences =~ s, (utf8 is default),, |
| 07:07.21 | dpkg | OK, simonlnu |
| 07:07.35 | simonlnu | not quite right, there |
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| 07:07.58 | simonlnu | tells whomever wrote that to ls that dir for s&g |
| 07:08.15 | simonlnu | !factinfo compose sequences |
| 07:08.16 | dpkg | compose sequences -- created by themill <n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Thu Jun 12 17:25:33 2008 (1069 days); it has been requested 29 times, last by simonlnu, 2m 30s ago. |
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| 07:09.17 | scanf | im afraid to upgrade to unstable on old p2/p3 hardware that is a couple years old |
| 07:09.20 | scanf | comments? |
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| 07:09.34 | Bushmills | right you are |
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| 07:09.57 | simonlnu | don't? :) |
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| 07:10.24 | Bushmills | unstable is not an upgrade |
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| 07:10.55 | simonlnu | !sid upgrade |
| 07:10.55 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 07:11.09 | gardener2123 | scanf: use Stable. If you want Unstable librarier, just build a chroot via the tools available. |
| 07:11.21 | gardener2123 | libraries* |
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| 07:13.22 | Bushmills | pheer the mighty destructive powa of the sid |
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| 07:17.01 | scanf | im saying its an old unstable install |
| 07:17.05 | scanf | from like 2 years ago |
| 07:17.08 | scanf | on old crappy hardware |
| 07:17.43 | Bushmills | today's stable has probably very similar versions of packages |
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| 07:18.47 | Bushmills | at least those which made it to stable at all |
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| 07:51.40 | ectospasm | oh, how cute. The Ubuntu server installer has a nice Ubuntu purple background rather than the familiar bright blue. |
| 07:53.02 | nsadmin | and... you have an idea which requires ice cream, mayo, concrete and packing peanuts? |
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| 07:54.49 | epsilon | .oO "ubuntu 11 - now in colors!" |
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| 07:56.14 | ectospasm | yeah, it looks like it's outside the standard 8bit color set I though ncurses was limited to... |
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| 07:59.05 | abrotman | ectospasm: wrong channel |
| 08:00.39 | ectospasm | abrotman: oops, I thought this was offtopic |
| 08:00.41 | ectospasm | My mistake! |
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| 08:10.04 | _Qman | Hello anyone free to give a bit of help on a dependencie issues? |
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| 08:12.15 | dawud | _Qman: can we have a pastebin ? |
| 08:12.21 | _Qman | sure thing |
| 08:13.29 | alcedine | Hi. My keyboard only types special characters. I think I used some kind of key sequence to inadverently trigger this, but I can't find how to turn it off. I have squeeze with gnome. |
| 08:13.32 | _Qman | http://pastebin.com/wH3UZNVx |
| 08:13.49 | alcedine | I'd appreciate any advice. |
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| 08:14.40 | gynter | Helloo, latest stable. Cant get Java Plugin working on Iceweasle |
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| 08:15.22 | alcedine | (I'm not discounting the possibility that the problem is in the physical keyboard. And I'm able to type just fine when I'm ssh'd in from another computer.) |
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| 08:15.46 | gynter | /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ have symlinks to java plugin |
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| 08:15.55 | bob31 | is the failing udev start on init on testing and sid documented somewhere? workaround? |
| 08:16.02 | bob31 | fresh install |
| 08:16.05 | dawud | _Qman: have you manually deleted /etc/init.d/proftpd ? |
| 08:16.13 | gynter | also sun-java6-plugin package is installed |
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| 08:16.30 | sep | 2 machines, 1 running debian squeeze the other a open-e NAS device. have configured ethernet aggeregation between 2 ports. with mode 0. seams to work fine. but when there is load across the link. the 2 links starts to loose link alternatly. one is dual onboard intel port and other is dual port intel server card running e1000e. If i remove one link the other is stable. How can i troubleshoot this link dropping? |
| 08:16.31 | _Qman | dawud: nope |
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| 08:17.41 | _Qman | dawud: which is why I am a bit confused |
| 08:17.50 | dawud | _Qman: try touch /etc/init.d/proftpd and rerun apt |
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| 08:18.44 | _Qman | dawud: oki seems to work, did not give me the error again, thanks |
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| 08:18.56 | dawud | _Qman: np |
| 08:18.57 | _Qman | dawud: not sure who deleted it thought |
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| 08:20.26 | gynter | all plugin symlinks will refer to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so |
| 08:21.03 | Multiply | What would be the best way to compress all files individually, in all subdirectories? Ie. I have a dir called /var/stuff/, which contains 1+ dirs, with files in them. There's never any subdirectories, only files. |
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| 08:22.55 | gynter | err wtf |
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| 08:23.06 | gynter | nevermind, I havent had Java enabled in iceweasel... |
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| 08:23.31 | cace | how can i enable composite for my intel gfx card under squeeze? (or rather, how can i make sure that its enabled) |
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| 08:24.03 | brammator | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ was there any cd images at all? |
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| 08:25.02 | jmarsden | brammator: I think the weekly builds are known broken at the moment... doesn't that page say that? |
| 08:25.42 | brammator | jmarsden, yeah, but I see this "problem" for, uhm, year or two already. |
| 08:26.08 | brammator | each time I try to find fresh i386 cd iso, it's unavailable. |
| 08:26.30 | nsadmin | brammator: get stable netinst, install only that (i.e., the base only), upgrade |
| 08:26.47 | nsadmin | "fresh" is squeeze. |
| 08:26.53 | brammator | nsadmin, I do just that, yeah. each time. |
| 08:27.03 | RichiH | as tmpfs can't be exported via NFS.. what can i do to export a ramdisk via NFS? |
| 08:27.12 | nsadmin | then you're looking in the wrong place |
| 08:27.13 | RichiH | an yes, i know what i am doing, the data does not matter |
| 08:27.46 | dawud | Multiply: you can try 'atool -a -e /var/stuff/dir/* -F tar.bz2', for example |
| 08:27.55 | nsadmin | brammator, squeeze netinst is not found in "weekly" |
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| 08:29.15 | brammator | nsadmin, I mean, I install stable netinst each time and the upgrade it to testing. |
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| 08:34.26 | Multiply | dawud, I can't seem to install atool |
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| 08:34.58 | brammator | also, anything I should know before installing deb on SSD? |
| 08:36.16 | Multiply | dawud, never mind. I should try to wake up. :) |
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| 08:39.44 | Multiply | dawud, another question, tho. It maintains the directory structure, in the file. /var/stuff/dir/, is there a way to make it not keep the structure, and simply compress the file, as is? |
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| 08:45.45 | DotHack | i´m using ldap for pam and nss. Is it possible to use useradd to add accounts to my ldap directory? |
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| 08:54.08 | sickgut | hello ppls |
| 08:54.11 | sickgut | i have a question |
| 08:54.12 | dawud | Multiply: the example I gave does exactly that |
| 08:54.13 | jelly-home | brammator: align your partitions well |
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| 08:56.30 | sickgut | im running debian squeeze with JWM and roxfiler and xorg as the desktop. I am wanting to have some icons come up on the desktop when removable media is inserted, so like if i attach a USB flash drive, a icon of a usb drive appears on the desktop and you can click it to mount/ open it etc, like puppy linux has. Is there a way to set this up with debian or is there a program that i can install... |
| 08:56.31 | sickgut | ...that will kind of do something like this? |
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| 08:58.21 | thegoodcushion | Neither my NIC nor my wifi card work by default with the debian live DVD (1.1 gig). That means I can't connect to the internet, even just to install debian on my machine. What do I do? |
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| 09:01.01 | Bushmills | sickgut: that's usually done by the file+desktop manager. roxfile in your case |
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| 09:03.27 | Bushmills | sickgut: the contents of /var/run/usbmount might be interesting for you of you let usbmount do the mounting |
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| 09:06.20 | Bushmills | (location of those links is specified in the usbmount config file - they could be created in your Desktop directory) |
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| 09:13.10 | sickgut | thankyou |
| 09:13.18 | sickgut | ill copy and paste that info and do research |
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| 09:26.57 | babilen | thegoodcushion: You don't need internet connection to install from the CD/DVD images. I am not quite sure if this holds true for the live DVDs, but I would be surprised if not. That being said: You NIC/WLAN adaptor probably either needs firmware or a newer kernel. If just firmware is needed you might want to use a netinstall image and provide firmware, or just use an image with firmware. -- /msg dpkg netinst -- /msg dpkg installer firmware -- ... |
| 09:27.03 | babilen | ... /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 09:27.32 | thegoodcushion | babilen: my live DVD won't install without a net connection |
| 09:27.34 | thegoodcushion | it refuses to |
| 09:27.51 | thegoodcushion | and by firmware, we mean software drivers for the OS, right? |
| 09:28.08 | whomee | if i have a text file with mail adresses, how can i use "mail" to send to all these? |
| 09:28.32 | babilen | thegoodcushion: In the latter case you can install a base system from most of the image (not businesscard) and upgrade to a newer kernel after the installation. For that to happen you would download the linux-image package (2.6.38) and linux-base packages from backports and install them manually. |
| 09:28.44 | Wicla | Hello. How do you pin an package in APT that's built from source to a dpkg-package? (apt-get source <package> etc.) |
| 09:28.55 | Wicla | a package* |
| 09:29.10 | thegoodcushion | babilen: that sounds more complicated than it needs to be |
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| 09:30.05 | ayambit | I want to install lib that is not in debian repo, so I need to build it from source. But, I want to build debian package from it. |
| 09:30.18 | ayambit | It there an easy way to do it or just make install and don't bother? |
| 09:30.19 | babilen | thegoodcushion: I can't help you without further details. I would need the output of: 'lspci -nn|grep -ie "net"' or if that is problematic just the PCIID for both cards. (The alphanumerical number in brackets [abcd:1234]) |
| 09:30.23 | ectospasm | Wicla: that's a good question, I'd like to know that too |
| 09:30.34 | thegoodcushion | babilen: and why is this firmware thing only 172 megs? |
| 09:31.05 | babilen | thegoodcushion: I have no experience with the installation from live CDs and can't really help you with that as I typically install from the installation images. Which firmware thing are you referring to? |
| 09:31.08 | thegoodcushion | babilen: [10ec:8168] [168c:0023] |
| 09:31.17 | babilen | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 09:31.19 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 09:31.20 | Wicla | ectospasm: Great to know I'm not the only one. APT keeps wanting to replace it with the original package in stable |
| 09:31.24 | babilen | ,pciid 168c:0023 |
| 09:31.26 | judd | [168c:0023] is 'AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0023 http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 09:32.05 | thegoodcushion | babilen: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ << the cd iso is only 172 megs. That can't be a full debian installation |
| 09:32.22 | ectospasm | Wicla: yeah, I noticed that too. I modified xscreensaver, but an "aptitude update && aptitude -y full-upgrade" put the original back |
| 09:32.26 | ectospasm | I *think* |
| 09:32.31 | ectospasm | I haven't tested it yet |
| 09:32.57 | Wicla | heh. True. Same situation here. But ircd-ratbox and ratbox-services customized |
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| 09:33.28 | sunson | 1. What is the impact of too many TIME_WAIT connections on the performace of a web server (with huge number of short-lived connections)? 2. What is the impact of increasing tcp_max_syn_backlog kernel setting? |
| 09:33.32 | ectospasm | Although it may be moot, since I somehow installed gdm instead of gdm3, and the problem I specifically edited out of xscreensaver may no longer apply |
| 09:33.50 | babilen | thegoodcushion: It is a netinstall and will download additional packages (if needed/selected) from the internet. You can certainly install a minimal system from those images. That being said: You need firmware for the realtek NIC (firmware-realtek), but the wifi adaptor should work out of the box AFAICT -- See http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k and http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 09:34.20 | thegoodcushion | babilen: the wifi works out of the box in Ubuntu but not debian. The NIC does not work for either |
| 09:34.34 | thegoodcushion | package firmware-realtek doesn't exist for Ubuntu and I don't know how to get it working in Ubuntu |
| 09:34.49 | thegoodcushion | and obviously I won't know if it works in debian until I commit to installing it |
| 09:35.00 | babilen | thegoodcushion: Ubuntu does not have these packages and I have absolutely no idea how Ubuntu deals with this. |
| 09:35.33 | thegoodcushion | well look I'm going to be downloading this stuff over the Internet whether I burn it onto a DVD or download it during a netinstall, so I don't see what difference it will make |
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| 09:35.39 | jelly-home | thegoodcushion: you can always copy the missing files from /lib/firmware on the OS that works to the OS that doesn't work, reload the driver (or reboot) and see if that's enough |
| 09:36.13 | Bushmills | putting packages on Hold status should be sufficient |
| 09:36.15 | thegoodcushion | jelly-home: that's what someone on #ubuntu suggested |
| 09:36.29 | thegoodcushion | Install debian, make the realtek work, then copy the firmware directory to Ubuntu |
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| 09:37.19 | babilen | thegoodcushion: I don't quite see how Ubuntu is related to all this. In Debian you need to install the firmware to get support. I have no idea why the wifi adaptor does not work as the atheros drivers are typically pretty pain free. |
| 09:37.44 | thegoodcushion | babilen: note that I'm only using the live CD so far |
| 09:38.01 | thegoodcushion | babilen: I won't know whether the wifi works until I have debian on my hard disk, and I can't do *that* until I have a net connection |
| 09:38.07 | thegoodcushion | catch-22 |
| 09:38.24 | Wicla | ectospasm: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2314519/preventing-aptitude-of-upgrading-compiled-apps might be a solution. Not using pinning though |
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| 09:38.59 | Bushmills | thegoodcushion: AR815* ? |
| 09:39.02 | babilen | thegoodcushion: No, as I pointed out earlier you can easily install Debian without a network connection. A minimal system from the netinstall images and one with more packages (such as the "standard" set of packages or even a desktop environment) from the CD1/DVD1 images. |
| 09:39.13 | babilen | Bushmills: AR5008 |
| 09:39.29 | thegoodcushion | babilen: what good is it installing debian if I have no Internet access? |
| 09:40.00 | thegoodcushion | Bushmills: yes, AR5008. Works perfectly in Windows and Ubuntu but not from the debian live-DVD |
| 09:40.29 | Bushmills | hm. a few of the recent atheros ethernet controllers needed a rather recent kernel, or updated modules, afaik. |
| 09:40.47 | ectospasm | Wicla: it may be immaterial to me, we'll have to see when I get home and restart xscreensaver |
| 09:41.06 | babilen | thegoodcushion: As I said: Your wifi NIC should work out-of-the-box and the ethernet NIC should work with firmware. You can supply this firmware during the installation (/msg dpkg installer firmware), use netinstall images with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware images) or install the system and install the firmware-realtek package manually after transferring it with, for example, a USB stick to the box. |
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| 09:42.08 | babilen | thegoodcushion: A good way to handle this would also trying to debug why your atheros card is not working. You might need a newer kernel, but I am not yet convinced of that. :) |
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| 09:43.27 | thegoodcushion | babilen: well it's only from the live DVD, which might not include everything that's necessary to make it work |
| 09:43.36 | thegoodcushion | I'm going with the firmware netinstall one |
| 09:44.06 | thegoodcushion | downloading now |
| 09:45.49 | Multiply | Is there a way to restore a database, after you did a "rm -R /"? :P |
| 09:45.53 | Multiply | Database = harddsik * |
| 09:46.02 | Multiply | harddisk, oh god. :P |
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| 09:47.18 | thegoodcushion | Multiply: yes, you copy the image from your backup hard disk |
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| 09:50.54 | Chotaz_ | Good morning(or w/e suits your timeline) everyone! :) |
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| 09:51.45 | Chotaz_ | how can I achieve this? I know the 2 commands I want the script to run, I dont know how to make the script or how to make it run on boot |
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| 10:12.14 | sep | i use php-syslog-ng (but mysql) ; it's been rebooted as logzilla. but that's not packaged. and not free either i think . |
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| 10:13.21 | cesurasean | hi guys. im trying to edit /etc/network/interfaces to change my ip, and it's saying "/etc/network interfaces" E506: Can't write to backup file (add ! to override) - How do i save this file properly? I can't seem to get it to save..... |
| 10:13.40 | sep | cesurasean, are your fs read only perhaps ? |
| 10:14.17 | sep | check /proc/mounts |
| 10:14.26 | Crypticfortune | cesurasean: or perhaps you aren't root? ;) |
| 10:14.53 | cesurasean | yeah i may not be root |
| 10:14.55 | cesurasean | let me recheck lol |
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| 10:18.51 | geckoclown | buenas |
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| 10:20.59 | pdev | hi |
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| 10:21.03 | pdev | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:21.43 | koolhead11|afk | hi all |
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| 10:22.12 | pdev | Any PAM gurus here? |
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| 10:23.06 | Crypticfortune | pdev: the quick and dirty way would be to use pam_exec to hook an external command and check =P |
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| 10:25.17 | Crypticfortune | pdev: exactly. doesn't have to be complicated. a simple perl script will suffice. man pam_exec will explain the interface... |
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| 10:26.12 | pdev | Crypticfortune> ok, so the pam_cracklib and all will not suffice? |
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| 10:28.42 | Crypticfortune | pdev: i don't think cracklib cares about a number at the start. man pam_cracklib has no such option anyway... I can't imagine why using a number at the beginning of a password would be bad though... |
| 10:28.59 | Crypticfortune | ... or do you literally mean the string "number"? |
| 10:29.12 | pdev | no..its the digits |
| 10:29.24 | pdev | its all one ofr client's requirement |
| 10:29.37 | DotHack | how can i pass the - sign as character and not as option |
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| 10:29.50 | timo | DotHack: -- - |
| 10:29.58 | DotHack | i need to fill in a secret on the command line but my secret start with -- |
| 10:30.00 | pdev | i know its doesn't give any added security |
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| 10:31.28 | fly80 | hello |
| 10:31.35 | cesurasean | hey guys,. how do i access "apxs2 -cia mod_evasive20.c". this comand does not seem to work. what do i need to install for apxs2 to work? |
| 10:31.59 | DotHack | timo: thnax have been irritating myself about this for about an hour or so |
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| 10:33.08 | timo | DotHack: no problem |
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| 10:34.40 | cesurasean | can someone tell me how to access apxs2???!!! |
| 10:34.47 | fly80 | i have a little problem: I tried to automatic start my wireless card at boot, ma it doesn't work. I edited the file /etc/rc.local and added three lines before exit 0 |
| 10:35.10 | fly80 | I wrote rmmod ssb \n rmmod wl \n modprobe wl |
| 10:35.28 | Iridos | !tell cesurasean -about apt-file |
| 10:35.49 | Achylles | fly80: Have you tried to use wicd or ceni? |
| 10:36.16 | Iridos | it's in apache2-prefork-dev and apache2-threaded-dev ... you'll have to decide what you need |
| 10:36.34 | Iridos | and a bit more paticence, little grasshopper |
| 10:36.39 | fly80 | Achylles, no, but if I type by root "modprobe wl" the card goes UP |
| 10:37.05 | Achylles | My wireless card gets ips automatically with anyone of them |
| 10:37.53 | fly80 | Achylles, my card wasn't automatically found by default drivers in debian |
| 10:38.15 | fly80 | I build a third party driver and compiled the kernel mod |
| 10:38.30 | Iridos | !tell fly80 about blacklist |
| 10:38.43 | fly80 | Iridos, I inserted ssb in the blacklist |
| 10:38.46 | Iridos | you probably want to do that instead of loading the modules then unloading them |
| 10:39.48 | Iridos | then it shouldn't be loaded... except if it's loaded from initrd ... which I wouldn't know why |
| 10:40.22 | fly80 | so what should I do to get it automatic? |
| 10:40.53 | Iridos | fly80, if you think things are loaded before the blacklist can take effect /msg dpkg blacklist initramfs |
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| 10:41.19 | Iridos | fly80, add the module to /etc/modules? |
| 10:41.29 | Iridos | and blacklist the other modules that might prevent loading |
| 10:41.35 | fly80 | umm ok.. |
| 10:41.39 | fly80 | i'll try it |
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| 10:42.43 | Iridos | too simple? |
| 10:43.28 | fly80 | i don't know, maybe it will work |
| 10:43.58 | fly80 | in the file /etc/modules those mods are started with modprobe? |
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| 10:44.34 | Iridos | "man modules"? I don't know more than the manpage |
| 10:44.50 | claw | how to set a proxy ? when i am using export the value is empty again after reboot ? so how to do this right ? |
| 10:45.08 | Iridos | well, I know more than ONE manpage, obviously, but probably not on the topic the manpage handles |
| 10:45.22 | fly80 | no more info there, I reboot now. thank you for now |
| 10:45.50 | Iridos | claw, set it again? set it in $HOME/.bashrc or the like if you want to have it set on login |
| 10:46.32 | claw | Iridos, how to set it for every user on systen ? |
| 10:46.35 | claw | *system |
| 10:46.57 | jaraws | Hi, I'm running Debian in a virtualbox vm. Most packages don't have 'install' buttons in the software center. only 'use this source'. sorry, kind of a newbie. oh, also- the button doesn't seem to do anything. thanks. |
| 10:46.59 | Iridos | !environment |
| 10:46.59 | dpkg | ENVIRONMENT(5) /etc/environment - file for login variables DESCRIPTION The contents of /etc/environment will be read by all standard Debian login methods. Lines are of the form variable=value (e.g. LANG=C). N.B.: this is *not* a shell script, so you cannot use lines like MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ here. Use of this file has been deprecated for locale information, use /etc/default/locale; ask me about <locales>. |
| 10:47.22 | xk | software center? |
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| 10:47.51 | claw | so write "export http_proxy=FOO" to that file ? |
| 10:48.04 | Iridos | no... read the factoid, it actually says |
| 10:49.40 | Iridos | hm, why does it say ENVIRONMENT(5) ... there's no man 5 environment ... least not on my system |
| 10:50.05 | Iridos | no, there's none |
| 10:52.09 | jaraws | yeah. |
| 10:52.28 | jaraws | xk: actually, i just realized i don't have internet acceess. |
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| 11:03.39 | Garda | hello |
| 11:03.43 | Garda | anyone german in here? |
| 11:03.58 | xk | !debian-de |
| 11:04.12 | Garda | oh yea, thanks |
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| 11:04.59 | clauwn | hey there, i need help with debconf, does anyone know what error code 141 is? |
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| 11:13.05 | bc_no | exit |
| 11:14.06 | deeLer | can someone explain the difference beween sudo -s and su root ? |
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| 11:16.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | one is a shell with user environment, one is a login |
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| 11:17.36 | deeLer | u mean sudo -s keep the environment variables the same as the regularer user from which the sudo was executed? |
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| 11:24.37 | karthick87 | Is it possible to create a launcher for rdesktop in desktop ? |
| 11:25.51 | Iridos | that were 20 seconds |
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| 11:27.51 | Iridos | !wdyti |
| 11:27.51 | dpkg | Why don't you try it? |
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| 11:28.49 | bw123 | !fstab |
| 11:28.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. See also <label>, <uuid>. |
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| 11:30.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | deeLer: yes |
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| 11:31.20 | Iridos | karthick87, if you have problems doing what you describe, describe the problems... if you don't have problems I don't see why you ask |
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| 11:32.39 | bw123 | !getmntent |
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| 11:34.23 | _Qman | does anyone know how much Core can a Debian Squeeze stock Kernel handle? |
| 11:34.37 | xk | core? |
| 11:34.45 | _Qman | ram if you prefer |
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| 11:38.37 | stew | _Qman: 256GB |
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| 11:39.06 | stew | _Qman: well, its 4gb/64gb/256gb depending on which kernel you are using |
| 11:39.30 | _Qman | stew: oki |
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| 11:40.16 | _Qman | stew: so I can see 1024gb of ram, but I have 2048gb physically installed any one? |
| 11:40.41 | xk | 1024 GB of ram? |
| 11:40.43 | xk | jesus |
| 11:40.43 | stew | _Qman: crazy. what kind of hardware is that?!? |
| 11:41.00 | ghisen | Where is /dev/hotplug located in debian 6? |
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| 11:41.14 | stew | ghisen: what is /dev/hotplug? |
| 11:41.17 | _Qman | stew: HP DL980 with 1Tb of 15krpm drives, 2Tb of ram, and 128 cores |
| 11:41.40 | xk | it has more ram than HD space? :) |
| 11:42.06 | _Qman | xk: yeah the 15k rpm disk are just used for Swap actually |
| 11:42.11 | bw123 | sudo find / -name hotplug |
| 11:42.33 | xk | 128 DIMM slots, for a system maximum of 2TB of memory (using 16GB DIMMs) |
| 11:42.37 | xk | maxed out, that's for sure |
| 11:42.47 | xk | Expandable 8 socket server configurable with up to 80 processor cores |
| 11:42.52 | xk | 128 cores? |
| 11:42.57 | DotHack | iis it possible the have usermod work against ldap? |
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| 11:43.20 | _Qman | xk: well 64 physycal cores with 8CPU with * core each |
| 11:43.26 | _Qman | 8cores* |
| 11:43.35 | _Qman | and with virtual 128 |
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| 11:44.05 | xk | max ram is 256GB (RHEL 5.x) |
| 11:44.27 | xk | hmmm... |
| 11:44.30 | _Qman | I can see 1Tb on squeeze, but I need to see all the ram if possible |
| 11:45.04 | bw123 | does the bios see all the ram or is it missing there too? |
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| 11:45.12 | _Qman | Bios sees it all |
| 11:45.32 | jelly | and you're using debian on it why? :-) |
| 11:45.47 | Iridos | can I get one, too? |
| 11:45.48 | _Qman | I am thinking I got high vs low memory messed up but I cannot find what I did wrong |
| 11:46.01 | bw123 | i bet that thing plays a mean game of chess |
| 11:46.01 | _Qman | cause I like Debian |
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| 11:46.11 | xk | show us "free" :) |
| 11:46.30 | jelly | _Qman: there is no high or low memory with an amd64 kernel (well there is but... let's pretend there isn't) |
| 11:46.32 | ghisen | stew, i need to copy a hot plug script, "Copy ti_usb_3410_5052 to /etc/hotplug/usb/ti_usb_3410_5052." I know i did this on an older debian |
| 11:46.56 | _Qman | not even that, I have some RHEL5 running and some centos too but I like debian and gentoo best |
| 11:47.04 | jelly | _Qman: you ARE using the 64bit architecture, right? |
| 11:47.18 | xk | does RHEL5 detect and use all 2TB of ram? |
| 11:47.24 | _Qman | jelly: rofl yeah I am |
| 11:47.58 | _Qman | do not know I have RHEL5 on a beowulf cluster and each machine does not have more than 48Gb of ram in there |
| 11:48.09 | stew | ghisen: hotplug was superseded by udev a few years ago |
| 11:48.20 | stew | !dbugs 428692 |
| 11:48.23 | digdilem_ | i think you should donate that dl980 to me |
| 11:48.24 | _Qman | jelly: I am using 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel |
| 11:48.24 | dpkg | DONE:#428692:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: hotplug -- RoM; superseded by udev (); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:15:01 UTC [] |
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| 11:48.31 | jelly | ,kconfig CONFIG_NR_CPUS --arch amd64 |
| 11:48.33 | judd | (kconfig <config string> [--release <release name>]) -- Outputs the kernel configs that match the given string, optionally restricted to an individual release. The pattern will have wildcards automatically added around it. |
| 11:48.34 | ghisen | stew, ok thanks |
| 11:48.34 | stew | ghisen: ^^ in 2007 |
| 11:48.46 | jelly | sigh |
| 11:49.15 | jelly | _Qman: I'd ask about the details in #debian-kernel (irc.debian.org = irc.oftc.net) |
| 11:49.34 | _Qman | jelly: sounds good |
| 11:49.37 | xk | _Qman: what kernel params did you use? |
| 11:49.38 | _Qman | thanks guys |
| 11:49.42 | themill | jelly: -686(-pae)? kernels only. Sorry. Patches welcome. |
| 11:49.45 | jelly | I'm clueless about numa |
| 11:50.28 | ghisen | I get an error like this when i plugin a GPRS modem, ti_usb_3410_5052: probe of 4-1:1.0 failed with error -5... Anyone know how to solve it? It was working fine yesterday but had a powerloss today and after reboot its not working |
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| 11:50.42 | Iridos | where does that 256G RAM limit come from anyway? |
| 11:50.54 | deeLer | is there an rsync option that allows you to resume partitialy transfered files ? |
| 11:51.42 | jelly | _Qman: I bet all sorts of people here would help if you provided access to such a system! <g> |
| 11:52.05 | Iridos | jelly, only after they finished drooling |
| 11:52.17 | xk | linux limit: 1024GB-8589934592GB |
| 11:52.17 | xk | hmmm |
| 11:52.19 | GorillaPatch | lol |
| 11:52.30 | sep | deeLer, read man rsync about --partial |
| 11:52.37 | Iridos | xk, where's that from |
| 11:52.48 | xk | http://widefox.pbworks.com/w/page/8042312/Memory |
| 11:52.53 | xk | could be wrong :) |
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| 11:55.16 | xk | can anyone recommend an advance nagios configuration book? |
| 11:55.42 | Iridos | hmm |
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| 11:55.54 | thegoodcushion | Hi guys. How long should it take the debian graphical installer to resize my 600 gig NTFS partition to 500 gigs? |
| 11:56.00 | xk | I dont want a book with 100+ pages on how to write plugins. |
| 11:56.23 | xk | configuration implementation / design is what I am after. |
| 11:56.23 | WormFood | thegoodcushion, there are far too many variables to even give you a semi-accurate estimate |
| 11:56.40 | thegoodcushion | Well if it's taken 10 minutes and the screen hasn't changed one bit, is that bad? |
| 11:56.41 | xk | last time I resized an NTFS partition, it chewed up the data. |
| 11:56.48 | thegoodcushion | oh don't say that xk |
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| 11:57.10 | Iridos | xk/_Qman http://www.novell.com/products/server/techspecs.html max. RAM (theoretical / certified)x86_6464 TiB/16 TiB ... must be some kernel config option? |
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| 11:57.15 | xk | actually, sorry. move and resize partition. |
| 11:57.17 | WormFood | well, you want a backup anyways....if you go around resizing partitions without a backup, that is just asking for trouble |
| 11:57.17 | xk | move + resize == evil. |
| 11:57.19 | xk | resize is OK. |
| 11:57.47 | Iridos | so novell tested a system with 64 TiB RAM |
| 11:57.51 | thegoodcushion | what I find extraordinary is that I can't access data in a partition without a password but I can delete the whole partition, move it, copy it, etc, without any password at all, just with physical access to the machine |
| 11:57.53 | bw123 | ntfs is pretty slow i would wait at least 12 minutes to panic |
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| 11:58.18 | WormFood | yeah, ntfs on Linux is painfully slow |
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| 11:59.01 | bw123 | especially if it's full of porn |
| 11:59.16 | Iridos | you must know best :) |
| 11:59.23 | WormFood | I'd NEVER trust my porn to ntfs |
| 11:59.24 | Yancho | guys anyone knows why after installing the gpvl drivers, my windows guest still shows Xen pci device #- under other devices and no drivers for it please? its a win2k8r2 gues |
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| 12:07.51 | bw123 | if sata is 3Gbits/8=375MB per sec moving 100 gigs that will take... 4.44 minutes? is that right? |
| 12:08.19 | WormFood | if it was that simple....but it isn't |
| 12:08.35 | bw123 | nah, or is it 44minutes |
| 12:08.58 | WormFood | you're talking theoretical maximums, which are rarely ever met |
| 12:09.01 | wols_ | even the raw speed isn't really 375. more like 300 max. IF the media can sustain that |
| 12:09.06 | bw123 | that's a lot of porn |
| 12:09.24 | wols_ | porn industry went bluray first |
| 12:09.35 | WormFood | 100 gig is a lot of porn? |
| 12:09.45 | bw123 | they invented silicone breasts too |
| 12:10.31 | bw123 | with serial numbers so you dont lose them |
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| 12:11.17 | Iridos | hehe... "IF the media can sustain that" <-- specially if it's porn? |
| 12:11.23 | WormFood | I remember when I was in high school in home economics class, the teacher was talking about different types of chickens, and some chickens have bigger breasts...and one of the girls asked how they got chickens with bigger breasts, and before the teacher could answer, I said "they inject them with silicone" |
| 12:11.35 | Seth_Hikaru | Can someone help me set up qingy please? |
| 12:11.39 | WormFood | what was funny, was 1/2 the class was clueless as to what I was talking about. |
| 12:11.40 | Seth_Hikaru | I've tried using it to no luck |
| 12:11.56 | Iridos | WormFood, the female half? |
| 12:11.56 | jelly | bw123: if your SATA device can saturate the 3Gbps channel, sure. Note that SATA bus isn't full-duplex. |
| 12:11.57 | bw123 | i cant even pronounce qinqy |
| 12:12.06 | Seth_Hikaru | qwing ee |
| 12:12.16 | Seth_Hikaru | Would be how you say it. |
| 12:12.36 | bw123 | did you try qinqy-setup |
| 12:12.41 | Seth_Hikaru | ... |
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| 12:12.55 | Seth_Hikaru | It's not valid. |
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| 12:13.06 | bw123 | qinqy-config |
| 12:13.27 | jelly | wols_: I got almost exactly 180MB/s from an SSD when it connected with sata 1 speed (1.5Gbps), there's not much overhead |
| 12:13.31 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: I asked you before, why can't you ask s specific question? what have you tried so far? where does it go wrong, with what error message, etc? |
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| 12:13.44 | bw123 | whatever you do don't type man qwingy |
| 12:13.48 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: I've seen you asking the same bloody questin now for 3 days, always the same? |
| 12:14.10 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: I've tried modifying my inittab and when I do qingy tty1 -t nothing shows up. |
| 12:14.18 | Seth_Hikaru | It's supposed to do a text login for x. |
| 12:14.18 | wols_ | maybe you should have learned by now that it won't get you any farther, this question? |
| 12:14.32 | bw123 | oh, that sounds cool |
| 12:14.40 | Seth_Hikaru | Indeed. |
| 12:14.52 | bw123 | maybe it's on tty0 |
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| 12:15.15 | Seth_Hikaru | It can't be on terminal 0. |
| 12:15.28 | thegoodcushion | God this is making me feel sick. Partitioning program is giving me no feedback, HDD light flashing, something's happening but nothing's happening |
| 12:15.34 | bw123 | okay try tty2 then |
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| 12:15.39 | jelly | thegoodcushion: using the installer? |
| 12:15.40 | Iridos | you should complain to them... package description as a main featature lists: - It works ;-) |
| 12:15.45 | thegoodcushion | jelly: yep |
| 12:15.54 | bw123 | you are going to lose all your kayden kross movies |
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| 12:15.58 | jelly | thegoodcushion: Alt-F3, see what processes are up |
| 12:16.13 | thegoodcushion | no I'm using the graphical installer |
| 12:16.28 | Seth_Hikaru | That does no good. |
| 12:16.29 | jelly | thegoodcushion: Ctrl-Alt-F3, then |
| 12:16.30 | Seth_Hikaru | Nothing. |
| 12:16.36 | Seth_Hikaru | ran through tty1-tty6. |
| 12:16.48 | bw123 | i thought you had to have ntfs-3g to support writes on ntfs |
| 12:16.49 | thegoodcushion | jelly: what's the command? |
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| 12:17.11 | jelly | thegoodcushion: uh... ps, and its options ;-) a ps -fe for a start |
| 12:17.33 | bw123 | pstree is fun too |
| 12:17.34 | jelly | thegoodcushion: I don't know whether there is a "top" in the d-i environment |
| 12:17.35 | Iridos | Seth_Hikaru, I bet you have been through /usr/share/doc/qingy/README.Debian already |
| 12:17.43 | sep | thegoodcushion, the few times i did that it worked- but took a very very long time. ofcourse i had backups tho, so i was not sitting and pining over it |
| 12:17.47 | thegoodcushion | top doesn't work |
| 12:18.00 | thegoodcushion | ps gives me a really long output. -f doesn't work, -e doesn't work |
| 12:18.12 | sep | it's busybox |
| 12:18.14 | jelly | the fun of busybox |
| 12:18.22 | jelly | thegoodcushion: ps aux ? |
| 12:18.29 | thegoodcushion | but one of them is /bin/sh /lib/partman/active_partition/80resize/do_op |
| 12:18.32 | Seth_Hikaru | Well. |
| 12:18.40 | Seth_Hikaru | Iridos: I think I fucked up modify inittab |
| 12:18.44 | thegoodcushion | jelly: invalid option |
| 12:18.46 | Seth_Hikaru | modiying |
| 12:18.48 | bw123 | don't interrupt it unless you are sure it;s hung |
| 12:18.51 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: then pastebin it |
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| 12:19.13 | thegoodcushion | bw123: No, I won't |
| 12:19.19 | thegoodcushion | Spectacles, testicles, wallet and watch |
| 12:19.45 | bw123 | might be some kid hacking your wireless for free porn |
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| 12:20.06 | thegoodcushion | Right now he can have the porn as long as my disk survives this |
| 12:20.33 | bw123 | is it a 600g drive or 600g partition on a larger drive |
| 12:20.39 | wols_ | thegoodcushion: a typical SMART run on a big disk takes 2-3 hours usually. THat's only a single read of every sectors. you are trying to resize a partially full partition. the fuller it is the more it takes cause it needs to shift around a lot of sectors. also, if you haven't done a backup beforehand as every single doc in existence about resizing says, then you have no expectation to have it work anyways |
| 12:20.59 | thegoodcushion | 600g partition |
| 12:21.07 | sep | how full was it ? |
| 12:21.09 | thegoodcushion | and all my data is backed up, it's just the sheer irritation of it failing |
| 12:21.12 | thegoodcushion | 270 gigs |
| 12:21.20 | bw123 | did you defrag it first |
| 12:21.21 | mrdeb | do you use network manager or wicd |
| 12:21.30 | thegoodcushion | bw123: yep |
| 12:21.38 | wols_ | !tell mrdeb about polls |
| 12:21.54 | bw123 | it'll take awhile i bet an hour or more |
| 12:22.11 | thegoodcushion | By the way I don't know who I was talking to earlier, but I was unable to install debian from either the live DVD (1.1 gig) or the installer DVD (1.1 gig) because neither my NIC nor Wifi hardware is recognized by those debian DVDs. I downloaded the firmware version of the install DVD and now my Wifi works. So that was a good suggestion, whoever it was, and you should tell the next guy |
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| 12:22.30 | wols_ | thegoodcushion: if it is backedp up the restore work is ugly but no problem. just let it run |
| 12:22.38 | Scall | How can I make ASCII extended characters (like this -> ♣) in Qt applications? In gtk+ applications I simply press "ctrl+alt+shift+U" and I type in the code. |
| 12:22.52 | wols_ | thegoodcushion: tzhere is no 1.1GB sized debian installed. it's 150MB, 700MB or 4GB |
| 12:23.07 | thegoodcushion | wols_: I have it burned onto a DVD right here |
| 12:23.14 | thegoodcushion | it's 1.1 gig |
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| 12:24.11 | wols_ | that's nice but there is no debian installer medium at that size. there as you've been told live cds of debian, but no installers |
| 12:24.17 | Seth_Hikaru | How can I get a file off a computer with shell access? |
| 12:24.23 | Izepstan | hei guys i have a debian running some virtual host now it won't list the server with xm list. |
| 12:24.27 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: ssh? |
| 12:24.30 | thegoodcushion | wols_: oh yes I meant the live CD, which can also install |
| 12:24.32 | Seth_Hikaru | Um. |
| 12:24.36 | Seth_Hikaru | Give me a sec. |
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| 12:24.43 | Izepstan | the config file from the server i wanna start is under /etc/xen/ |
| 12:24.56 | Izepstan | with wich command can i load the config and start the server |
| 12:24.57 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: the shell access i mean. if there is ssh, you can use scp, winscp, filezilla, etc |
| 12:25.05 | Izepstan | many thx 4 ur help |
| 12:25.13 | dest | Hi guys. I've written a library and I would like to share it. Once the code is mature enough, how should I proceed to hope to have it packaged ? Is there a code review by a maintainer ? |
| 12:25.16 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: I was going to say one of those programs but I couldn't think of names. |
| 12:25.28 | wols_ | !tell about nmg |
| 12:25.33 | wols_ | !tell dest about nmg |
| 12:26.03 | dest | wols_: thanks |
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| 12:27.59 | LightKnight | Hello -- after yesterday's upgrade of xserver-common in Debian Wheezy, my mouse and keyboard aren't detected anymore. Can anyone help? |
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| 12:29.55 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: Try this. http://pastebin.com/zPkGT2Z8 |
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| 12:31.22 | Bushmills | wols, debian live, gnome, is about 1.1 GiB |
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| 12:31.26 | Izepstan | can someone help me maybe i have a xen problem |
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| 12:32.11 | thegoodcushion | Bushmills: yes that's the one I was using. But even with 1.1 gigs on the disk, it won't recognize my NIC or Wifi |
| 12:32.30 | Bushmills | thegoodcushion: what nic or wifi controller? |
| 12:32.34 | wols_ | Bushmills: as I said: Live CD, not installer CD |
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| 12:33.03 | wols_ | Izepstan: I suggest #debian-xen on oftc |
| 12:33.11 | Bushmills | wols_: as one can install debian with a live cd, the borders are a bit fuzzy there |
| 12:33.31 | thegoodcushion | Bushmills: Realtek rtl8111 |
| 12:33.41 | wols_ | Bushmills: he's been told again and again over the last two days, what is what... |
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| 12:34.57 | bw123 | live cd installed fine for me without any active nic |
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| 12:35.36 | wols_ | bw123: any debian install media does with the exception of businesscard or bootfloppies |
| 12:35.45 | wols_ | but there is an error message by apt usually |
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| 12:37.16 | thegoodcushion | Well: Which linux distro is most likely to be compatible with my hardware? |
| 12:37.26 | bw123 | apt-get is always complaining |
| 12:38.28 | wols_ | bw123: not if it can get a internet connection |
| 12:38.56 | wols_ | thegoodcushion: all of them are, it's linux. the same software, duh! |
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| 12:39.53 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 12:40.08 | bw123 | apt-get made my ice cream go all melty in my freezer |
| 12:40.09 | thegoodcushion | wols_: This is what Linux needs to work on. My hardware works with Windows and OS X just by plugging it in. With Linux I have to install non-free software source, then hunt for obscure packages, etc |
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| 12:41.14 | bw123 | thegoodcushion: why do you need nonfree, what kind of obscure, like an old radio shack |
| 12:41.22 | thegoodcushion | no |
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| 12:41.44 | thegoodcushion | Realtek NIC won't work out of the box with Debian/Ubuntu, Atheros wifi works out of the box with Ubuntu, not with Debian |
| 12:42.10 | thegoodcushion | And HP Deskjet 2000 won't work with Ubuntu hplip, will work with the HP version |
| 12:42.16 | bw123 | oh...well compat-wireless has a bunch of realtek drivers I use them |
| 12:42.17 | Seth_Hikaru | Still waiting for a repsonse. |
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| 12:44.00 | Seth_Hikaru | I won't be going anywhere. |
| 12:44.15 | bw123 | hang on your response is coming |
| 12:44.19 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay. |
| 12:44.26 | wols_ | thegoodcushion: seen any "free" software sources for windows and osx drivers lately? you are talking nonsense here. and if you don't like it they way it is, buy any OS of your choosing. for the purchase price I'm sure they make it run on your specific hardware |
| 12:44.42 | Seth_Hikaru | I've tried rebooting after refixing my inittab to what it currently is and still nothing. |
| 12:45.01 | thegoodcushion | wols_: well "free" in the debian sense isn't a requirement for Windows or OS X |
| 12:45.13 | bw123 | waiting for a response from your inittab? |
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| 12:45.52 | wols_ | and why is qingy in /usr/sbin/? |
| 12:46.05 | wols_ | or rather the setting in inittab pointing there |
| 12:46.13 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: I'm not sure, that's what it says to do. |
| 12:46.19 | Seth_Hikaru | Where is it actually located? |
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| 12:47.06 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: maybe YOU should check that. not as if we had access to your disk, right? |
| 12:47.16 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm not sure where it would be. |
| 12:47.25 | Seth_Hikaru | Can I have a general area to look please? |
| 12:47.44 | wols_ | yes: your harddisk. and the tools you can use are find, ls and last but not least, man |
| 12:47.57 | bw123 | sudo find / -name qinky |
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| 12:48.39 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: have you ever checked your logs for any messages by init or qingy yet? |
| 12:48.51 | bw123 | sudo find / -name twinky |
| 12:49.03 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: ...no. |
| 12:49.14 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: then I suggest you do that soonish |
| 12:49.24 | wols_ | it's pretty much the first step in troubleshooting such a thing |
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| 12:49.31 | Seth_Hikaru | What directory would I find those? |
| 12:49.41 | bw123 | sudo find / -name *jellydonut |
| 12:50.01 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:50.28 | VLT_P4 | Hello |
| 12:50.42 | Seth_Hikaru | I'll take it I should look in syslog then. |
| 12:50.43 | bw123 | "/etc/refrigerator/bottom/shelf/red/jellydonut |
| 12:51.12 | VLT_P4 | I've added my hobbit user to group adm in /etc/groups, however when i do sudo -u hobbit tail /var/log/messages i still got permission denied. do i need to execute anything else additionally? |
| 12:52.08 | wols_ | VLT_P4: you need to log out and relogin |
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| 12:53.05 | VLT_P4 | wols_: i did logout and login again as root, still got the same error |
| 12:53.14 | LightKnight | Hello -- after yesterday's upgrade of xserver-common in Debian Wheezy, my mouse and keyboard aren't detected anymore. Can anyone help? |
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| 12:53.21 | VLT_P4 | when i ls /var/log/messages it shows the owner of root and the group of adm |
| 12:54.04 | wols_ | VLT_P4: log in as "hobbit"? |
| 12:54.34 | VLT_P4 | hobbit cannot log in (no shell) it only executes my tests |
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| 12:55.12 | sep | VLT_P4, try to run id and check it have the group adm after groups= |
| 12:55.16 | VLT_P4 | i mean this account is created only for bigbrother purposes, not login allowed, no nothing only running local and remote tests. all tests seems to work except accessing /var/log/messages |
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| 12:56.15 | VLT_P4 | uid=114(hobbit) gid=121(hobbit) grupy=121(hobbit) | [root@srvvltpllab:~]$ grep hob /etc/group | adm:x:4:logcheck,hobbit | hobbit:x:121: |
| 12:56.23 | VLT_P4 | seems it doesn't belong to adm |
| 12:56.41 | VLT_P4 | i simpy vimmed /etc/group |
| 12:56.48 | VLT_P4 | s/simpy/simply |
| 12:56.50 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay. |
| 12:56.52 | Seth_Hikaru | init: cannot execute "/usr/local/sbin/qingy" |
| 12:57.00 | Seth_Hikaru | That's what I've been seeing a bunch of. |
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| 12:57.10 | Seth_Hikaru | I haven't seen anything recently though. |
| 12:57.56 | \amethyst | have you logged out and back in? |
| 12:58.10 | \amethyst | oh, new sudo instance |
| 12:58.12 | VLT_P4 | i did, however i login as root, not as hobbit. hobbit cannot log in at all |
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| 12:58.22 | VLT_P4 | i all the time do: sudo -u hobbit commands |
| 12:58.25 | thegoodcushion | What's the default filesystem for stable? |
| 12:58.35 | sep | ext3 iirc |
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| 13:04.09 | allgood | hi folks |
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| 13:04.41 | allgood | i have upgrade a server from lenny and i noted that /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator have disappeared ... is that correct? |
| 13:04.55 | speakman | anyone know how to lighten the faulty/location LED right next to the SATA drive on hotpluggable drive bays? |
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| 13:06.01 | sep | speakman, usualy that's done thru the scsi or raid card configuration interface. |
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| 13:06.29 | sep | but i guess it might vary with vendor |
| 13:06.31 | Miesco | So wifi is about 7MB/s? |
| 13:06.40 | Seth_Hikaru | How long does it take for stuff to go into syslog? |
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| 13:07.16 | speakman | sep: i'm using linux software raid atm |
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| 13:09.01 | hid3 | Is it a good idea to upgrade from lenny straight to testing? |
| 13:09.04 | VLT_P4 | Seth_Hikaru: depends on the latency of your system :) |
| 13:09.16 | dvs | hid3: no |
| 13:09.24 | hid3 | I see, thanks |
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| 13:09.59 | Seth_Hikaru | VLT_P4: Can it be more then a minute? |
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| 13:10.04 | hid3 | I guess I'll leave lenny alone until it's supported and my system doesn't need a clean reinstall |
| 13:10.10 | Miesco | Whats a good wireless wifi adapter with linux drivers in the kernel? |
| 13:10.13 | Seth_Hikaru | It's been like at least 10 and I've seen nothing. |
| 13:10.20 | VLT_P4 | Seth_Hikaru: if your syslog is placed on Mars... :P |
| 13:10.25 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay. |
| 13:10.32 | Seth_Hikaru | I guess everything is running fine then? |
| 13:10.36 | allgood | just noted that udev rules gone to /lib/udev/rules.d |
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| 13:10.52 | VLT_P4 | for the syslog placed on localhost, it shouldn't take more than microseconds |
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| 13:11.00 | sep | speakman, but you still access the drives thru some kind of controller ? if you dont find any you can cat /dev/sda >/dev/null (constantly read a single disk) and see what disk light is most active |
| 13:11.05 | allgood | but my system isn't generating the persitent-net.rules and I am not successfull on determining why |
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| 13:11.35 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: qingy appears to be functioning now, I'm just not getting a text login prompt. |
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| 13:11.53 | wols_ | Miesco: atheros based ones |
| 13:12.01 | SURFkees | Is there a doc where I can find what the -y option for apt-get exactly does? Like how it will handle situations like a new config file, etc |
| 13:12.03 | deeLer | kind of a problem here with rsync; I copied a huge load of data to an NTFS disk from a server, then copied it to a linux partition (ext4) , if I now run rsync striaght from original server -> linux partition, rsync begins at square one and copies ALL files ... although they are identical . perhaps it's the perms and dates it's missing... can i make rsync ignore all that? |
| 13:12.12 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: any special config qingy uses? a "theme file" or such? |
| 13:12.30 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm not sure. |
| 13:12.45 | Seth_Hikaru | I just install and never messed with it other then inittab |
| 13:12.51 | Seth_Hikaru | installed it* |
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| 13:13.17 | Seth_Hikaru | It appears to be running right, just not showing up. |
| 13:13.19 | wols_ | Miesco: the problem rarely is the driver but the needed firmware (intel, realtek, ralink all need one), atheros doesn't |
| 13:13.33 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: you see it in your process list? |
| 13:14.16 | Miesco | wols_: So I should get one with an atheros chipset? |
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| 13:14.59 | wols_ | Miesco: what did I just say? and I doing soliloquies? |
| 13:15.37 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: No, it doesn't look like it. |
| 13:15.58 | Seth_Hikaru | What would I use to check processes? I'm using top. |
| 13:16.05 | dvs | wols_: The AR9285 works intermittently with the 2.6.32 kernel |
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| 13:16.28 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: top or ps aux |grep qingy |
| 13:16.31 | VLT_P4 | Seth_Hikaru: try htop, eye candy :) |
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| 13:16.41 | wols_ | dvs: any better suggestion than atheros, then spit it out |
| 13:17.04 | wols_ | intel is fine too, but good luck getting one outside a mini pcie for notebooks |
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| 13:17.14 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: It's running. |
| 13:17.15 | wols_ | and there you have the BIOS limitations |
| 13:17.24 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: and getty? |
| 13:17.36 | Seth_Hikaru | That too. |
| 13:18.23 | dvs | wols_: I'm just saying that he'll need a newer kernel to make it work more reliably. |
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| 13:21.38 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay, so if qingy is running and getty is too, what's wrong? |
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| 13:23.15 | thegoodcushion | Okay guys. I'm running debian on an nvidia GTX 460 SE. It's booted into VGA mode. How do I install good drivers for my nvidia? I'm not unhappy about using non-free drivers |
| 13:23.24 | Seth_Hikaru | is seriously confused as to why this isn't working. |
| 13:23.31 | wols_ | !tell thegoodcushion about nvidia |
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| 13:24.39 | speakman | sep: thanks but it seems like neither status leds are active on my ProLiant :( |
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| 13:26.17 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: Any ideas? |
| 13:26.29 | cornair | hi, how can I use again bluetooth to send files to my mobiel? it worked for a couple of month ago, but it is not working anymore. |
| 13:26.55 | Seth_Hikaru | cornair: Are they still paired? |
| 13:26.58 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: never used qingy myself, but now that you made me aware of it, I'm actually tempted :) |
| 13:27.24 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: Can you recommend something similar to exactly the same as it? |
| 13:27.37 | Seth_Hikaru | I really can't be arsed to have a monitor hooked up. |
| 13:27.39 | cornair | paired? |
| 13:27.59 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: no |
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| 13:28.16 | Seth_Hikaru | cornair: Yeah, so it's authorized to send files and such. |
| 13:28.33 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: how would qingy work without monitor? it needs a FB from what I read |
| 13:28.43 | Seth_Hikaru | What about -t? |
| 13:28.50 | Seth_Hikaru | option* |
| 13:28.58 | wols_ | cornair: you need to enter the same PIN (user choosable) on both sides so they can talk to each other |
| 13:29.02 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: what about it? |
| 13:29.10 | Seth_Hikaru | It does text-mode login. |
| 13:29.25 | Seth_Hikaru | Unless. |
| 13:29.36 | wols_ | why would you want to use qingy when not using the graphical mode? makes no sense |
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| 13:29.37 | Seth_Hikaru | Can I hook up just a keyboard and try it that way? |
| 13:29.43 | wols_ | for text mode, getty works fine |
| 13:29.46 | cornair | keyboard is working as expcted (still paired), mouse also, but I can not see a hci0 device. restarting bleutooth says something about no switching between hid2hci.. |
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| 13:29.56 | wols_ | sure you can hook that up, but you can't see anything. and that's the point of qingy... |
| 13:30.02 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: I need to vnc into it but can't unless you know how to vnc into the gnome startup screen. |
| 13:30.21 | Seth_Hikaru | It's my computer used for rendering. |
| 13:30.26 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: Xvnc is a vnc xserver IIRC |
| 13:30.28 | cornair | I am using a little bit more of unstable, I have to say by the way |
| 13:30.38 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: Really? |
| 13:30.47 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: then I don't see the point of using qingy. qingy is basically software to make a prettier desktop |
| 13:30.51 | Seth_Hikaru | Have I been pissing around all this time for nothing. |
| 13:31.07 | wols_ | not nothing. you learnt something |
| 13:31.17 | Seth_Hikaru | Yes, I wasted my time. |
| 13:31.29 | Seth_Hikaru | But did learn what qingy actually does. |
| 13:31.30 | Miesco | I'm thinking this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127219 |
| 13:31.40 | clauwn | hey there, i'm back again, still having this problem with debconf |
| 13:31.50 | clauwn | can anybody tell me what error code 141 means? |
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| 13:32.50 | wols_ | cornair: I used gnome-bluetooth before. worked pretty well, vastly better than the shitty nokia software on windows |
| 13:33.18 | wols_ | clauwn: paste the full command and its output to a pastebin. context is everythign |
| 13:33.42 | cornair | wols_ that's what I used before switching to gnome3.0 |
| 13:34.01 | wols_ | cornair: how are you running gnome3 on debian? |
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| 13:34.53 | cornair | gnome-shell with expermiental packages, of course. not yet stable yet, but indeed very nice |
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| 13:35.11 | brocktice | I just installed sid with lvm-crypt and it has a little trouble on boot. |
| 13:35.13 | _Qman | jelly: so seems my issue is due to a outdate firmware on the machine |
| 13:35.29 | brocktice | I managed to mount it all manually and boot, but I can't figure out what needs to be fixed so it works correctly. |
| 13:35.41 | wols_ | !tell brocktice about sid |
| 13:35.48 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: What's the package name for xvnc? |
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| 13:35.59 | Seth_Hikaru | Is it linuxvnc? |
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| 13:36.02 | jelly | _Qman: oh yeah, Proliants often fix important issues with newer firmware. is it the latest generation machine? |
| 13:36.05 | brocktice | OK, I"ll go to -next |
| 13:36.10 | Miesco | wols_: What wireless adapter do you use on your desktop? |
| 13:36.29 | brocktice | wols_: actually, really quick, not 100% sure this is sid |
| 13:36.37 | brocktice | wols_: /etc/issue says 6.0? |
| 13:36.40 | _Qman | jelly: yes it is |
| 13:36.48 | clauwn | wols_: i create a package for internal use. i don't know whether i'm allowed to publish code... |
| 13:36.53 | clauwn | *created |
| 13:37.03 | jedd | brocktice: i recall there was Much Pain in setting up an encrypted root fs (and everything else) a few years ago when i went down that path .. lots of new initramfs construction with hard-to-guess changes to the hooks in same. |
| 13:37.04 | brocktice | so is that squeeze? |
| 13:37.08 | jelly | _Qman: get yourself the firmware update cd image, fire up iLO and flash away |
| 13:37.18 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: Nevermind, I found it. |
| 13:37.22 | jedd | brocktice: search on debian encrypted root dm-crypt initramfs - as a starter |
| 13:37.32 | brocktice | jedd: thanks, I found some stuff |
| 13:37.38 | _Qman | jelly: basically what I will do after I find out why I have some hardware failure in my dmidecode |
| 13:37.43 | joe6 | i had a new processor/motherboard and I moved my harddisks (with debian) to the new machine and just booted it up. It recognized the system hardware ok. I find that the screen does not have the resolution that it had, with the other cpu/board. Any thing I can do, for it to regenerate any kernel modules or such? |
| 13:37.50 | brocktice | my crypttab is empty, that's probably a bad sign |
| 13:37.52 | jedd | brocktice: what url? i don't have the one i used to hand at work, but can cast an opinion :) |
| 13:38.00 | brocktice | jedd: many |
| 13:38.07 | brocktice | I've been reseraching for a while before I came here :) |
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| 13:38.38 | joe6 | i tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but nothing is happening |
| 13:38.42 | jedd | brocktice: i have an unencrypted /boot of course, but i use a password to get /root mounted, and then in crypttab i have everything after that set up .. and i created an /etc/cryptkeys/ directory that contains the keys for the other partitions. |
| 13:38.54 | bw123 | joe6: stuck in 80x25? |
| 13:39.07 | clauwn | wols_: is there no website for debconf return values? |
| 13:39.12 | joe6 | bw123: a little better than 80x25 |
| 13:39.37 | joe6 | bw123: the screen is visible and usable, but the resolution seems to be off |
| 13:39.45 | wols_ | joe6: did the videochip change? |
| 13:39.47 | jedd | brocktice: i also avoided swap partitions (which i normally hate at the best of times anyway) and instead have a half dozen 500MB swap files in / |
| 13:40.00 | jelly | _Qman: since what dmidecode does is read a certain part of the bios firmware, I guess that might go away as well |
| 13:40.13 | wols_ | joe6: console resolution is usually set via kernel parameter in grub |
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| 13:40.15 | joe6 | wols_, i think it might have asthe motherboard is different and both had onboard video port |
| 13:40.34 | jelly | _Qman: some of their firmware changelogs look downright scary, esp. for raid controllers |
| 13:40.41 | joe6 | wols_: even the desktop resolution is off |
| 13:40.43 | jedd | brocktice: fwiw the new installer with lvm does seem to make this whole process a lot easier ... |
| 13:40.48 | bw123 | i think the size of the framebuffer in bios affects this, or you can fine tune it by editing /etc/default/grub and update-grub |
| 13:40.56 | wols_ | joe6: what is the new videochip? |
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| 13:41.42 | joe6 | wols_: from lspci -v, it says Brookdale-G/GE Chipset |
| 13:42.01 | wols_ | damn that's old |
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| 13:42.26 | joe6 | wols_: http://sprunge.us/PdeL |
| 13:43.09 | joe6 | wols_: with lspci -vv, http://sprunge.us/TbIj |
| 13:43.23 | bw123 | try GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="video=vesa vga=791" in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub, reboot |
| 13:43.38 | joe6 | bw123: ok, thanks a lot. |
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| 13:45.49 | AL13N_work | can i have some kind of variables in the interfaces file? |
| 13:46.02 | brocktice | jedd: I used the new installer with lvm :( |
| 13:46.09 | brocktice | that's what got borked |
| 13:46.10 | AL13N_work | like ENV variables or variables which i can source from a shell script? |
| 13:46.19 | jedd | brocktice: well, apparently it's much easier, but sadly i've never used that approach. |
| 13:46.42 | Chotaz_ | Hey everyone, I've jsut started using debing, how can I set 2 commands to run when the computer starts up and 1 another when the computer shutsdown? |
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| 13:47.17 | Pupeno_ | Can rsync use more than one core? |
| 13:47.47 | jedd | Chotaz_: do you want to run the commands when the machine starts, or when someone logs in? |
| 13:47.50 | Bushmills | Chotaz_: reading about runlevels would give you some ideas |
| 13:47.52 | AL13N_work | Pupeno_: rsync probably goes over ssh, so the openssl library backend need to use more than 1 core |
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| 13:48.06 | ZeroEnna | hi @ all |
| 13:48.14 | joe6 | btw, firefox runs very slow (I use links2, but have to use firefox once in a while), the system monitor tells me that the cpu is maxed out and the ram is at 20% usage. Anything I can do to find out why the cpu is being maxed out? the previous cpu was 3.00 ghz and firefox response was instant, and this cpu is 2.5Ghz. So, though the response should not be that great, it should be reasonable, I woud assume. |
| 13:48.21 | jedd | Chotaz_: cron can do the startup bit easily enough - @reboot is the bit to read up on. |
| 13:48.35 | Pupeno_ | AL13N_work: I don't care about SSL, I care about checksumming. I have an 8 core machine with 7 idle cores :\ |
| 13:48.52 | jedd | Pupeno_: divide your rsync task into 8 concurrent directories ;) |
| 13:48.59 | Chotaz_ | jedd when the computer starts, I've disabled gdm3 and am fully running from a shell |
| 13:49.06 | joe6 | bw123: i think the display is a little crisper now, Thanks a lot. |
| 13:49.17 | jedd | Chotaz_: see above then (wrt cron & @reboot). 'man 5 crontab' |
| 13:49.24 | Pupeno_ | jedd: it's only one directory, but good idea. |
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| 13:49.37 | Chotaz_ | jedd, Bushmills, ty. |
| 13:49.41 | jedd | Chotaz_: for shutdown - as Bushmills suggests - you should look at init.d scripts & runlevels. |
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| 13:50.04 | bw123 | joe6: that should be 1024x768_75 and check your bios for larger framebuffer if you have the ram |
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| 13:50.26 | themill | jedd, Chotaz_: note that cron's @reboot is run when cron is restarted too (e.g. as part of a libc6 upgrade) |
| 13:50.42 | Bushmills | Chotaz_: also check out /etc/rc.local - which is executed by one of those run level scripts |
| 13:50.45 | joe6 | bw123: i checked the bios and had the largest possible framebuffer. |
| 13:50.47 | jedd | themill: ah, of course. hadn't considered that risk. |
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| 13:50.52 | brocktice | jedd: aha, fwiw adding the correct entry in crypttab and updating the initramfs did the trick |
| 13:50.55 | ZeroEnna | I have a question: I Run Debian Lenny on a Dell R210, which is tricky enough. However, I Would like to upgrade to debian lenny because of the updates and so on. However, There is a problem with the BNX2-Firmware, that can be fixed by a patch of a kernel module. I copied the module into /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks, because I read that this fix will be applied to any kernel that will be installed as an upgrade. Now, if I make a dist-upgrade to debian squeeze, |
| 13:50.56 | brocktice | jedd: thanks for your help |
| 13:51.04 | jedd | brocktice: noice! |
| 13:51.06 | themill | jedd: it's not normally an issue... but sometimes. |
| 13:51.18 | brocktice | jedd: I don't know if it's something I did or a bug in the installer |
| 13:51.19 | brocktice | shrugs |
| 13:51.36 | bw123 | i use links2 a lot, mozilla is always slow |
| 13:51.42 | jedd | brocktice: depending how you do kernel upgrades (roll your own, make-kpkg, etc) means initramfs might break on the next big upgrade - i tend to keep a copy of the latest working kernel & initramfs to one side in /boot, and an entry in grub, just to be sure. |
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| 13:51.48 | joe6 | bw123: oh, ok. |
| 13:51.54 | jedd | brocktice: .. otherwise you end up using cpio to extract things from a (very small) shell. |
| 13:51.57 | Bushmills | ZeroEnna: you don't need to upgrade to lenny if you're already running lenny |
| 13:51.59 | brocktice | :( |
| 13:52.16 | joe6 | bw123: the cpu gets maxed out, the min i start firefox. probably go back to the old board, I guess. |
| 13:52.17 | brocktice | jedd: thanks for the tip |
| 13:52.23 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: Did I say Lenny? My failure, I was talking about upgrading to squeeze |
| 13:52.39 | Bushmills | "I have a question: I Run Debian Lenny on a Dell R210, which is tricky enough. However, I Would like to upgrade to debian lenny because ..." |
| 13:52.52 | bw123 | turn off java and use apt-get install xul-ext-noscript |
| 13:52.58 | ZeroEnna | sorry, it has to be "I would like to upgrade to squeeze" |
| 13:53.08 | Bushmills | !lenny>squeeze |
| 13:53.18 | Bushmills | hm |
| 13:53.42 | ZeroEnna | the key thing is the hook in /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks. Will it be applied? |
| 13:53.49 | ZeroEnna | That's the thing I would like to be sure of. |
| 13:54.00 | joe6 | bw123, ok, thanks. will try that. |
| 13:54.02 | dvs | !tell ZeroEnna -about lenny->squeeze |
| 13:54.18 | bw123 | joe6: stay cool |
| 13:54.34 | Bushmills | modules are usually specific to a kernel. with different kernel, you'll commonly need a new module |
| 13:55.24 | wols_ | Bushmills: or apply a lot of force :) |
| 13:55.56 | ZeroEnna | okay, I see squeeze comes with kernel 2.6.32, which is already installed as a backport. Will it be overwritten? Or will the upgrade recognize and re-use it? |
| 13:56.01 | mrdeb | Bushmills: why can you not copy it |
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| 13:56.27 | Bushmills | mrdeb: you can copy it. but that doesn't mean it can be successfully loaded |
| 13:56.39 | mrdeb | that is ridiculous |
| 13:56.42 | mrdeb | it should just work |
| 13:57.24 | mrdeb | you should be able to download the module, copy it into a system folder, and run a command to patch it against the current system and auto load it |
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| 13:57.58 | wols_ | ZeroEnna: will probably reuse it, but you should install the squeeze kernel if it's not installed. not as if it makes any work for you |
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| 13:58.18 | wols_ | mrdeb: and you should learn more about how a kernel works :) |
| 13:58.21 | ZeroEnna | it will not make any work, I just have to recompile the kernel for using the bnx2.debian module. |
| 13:58.36 | Chotaz_ | ok I managed to make a script to mount this particular device and change it's ownership on startup, problem is the exact same commands are ran on shutdown |
| 13:58.45 | wols_ | ZeroEnna: if you have the module installed via dpkg, it should do it all automatically |
| 13:58.47 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: Thanks for your help. |
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| 13:58.58 | ZeroEnna | wols_: Nope, it's done manually |
| 13:59.05 | wols_ | Chotaz_: where did you put your script? |
| 13:59.08 | Bushmills | bnx2 module comes precompiled with stock kernels |
| 13:59.08 | ZeroEnna | it's about this nasty bnx2 bug thing |
| 13:59.17 | ZeroEnna | not the one that is needed on this server |
| 13:59.26 | tuxcrafter | why does console-tools depend on acpi-support-base |
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| 13:59.50 | tuxcrafter | i only want acpid to be apple to shutdown and reboot when acpi command are recieved |
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| 14:00.19 | Chotaz_ | wols_ "init.d" and I did "update-rc.d script defaults" |
| 14:00.45 | ZeroEnna | the PCI ID of the current model BCM5716 is unknown, so this is why the kernel module is needed |
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| 14:00.53 | ZeroEnna | *unknown to the kernel |
| 14:01.15 | tuxcrafter | ZeroEnna: update-pciids |
| 14:01.23 | wols_ | Chotaz_: so what's in your script and in which rc directories is it with which name? |
| 14:01.26 | tuxcrafter | or update-usbids |
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| 14:01.53 | ZeroEnna | that's the whole thing? |
| 14:01.54 | wols_ | ZeroEnna: that's not true. kernel doesn't care about the mapping from pciid to any names |
| 14:02.21 | ZeroEnna | okay, so tuxcrafter posted a good command |
| 14:02.22 | wols_ | ZeroEnna: kernel modules have compiled in the PCIIDs they serve and that's all the kernel wants or needs to know |
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| 14:02.43 | wols_ | update-pciids is for lspci do display human readable info |
| 14:03.27 | ZeroEnna | so why did nothing happen although the right firmware was installed? The NICs were still not recognized, only after applying this kernel module |
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| 14:03.58 | Chotaz_ | wols_ i'lls pastebin it |
| 14:04.18 | Bushmills | ZeroEnna: does lsmod show the bnx2 module having been loaded? |
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| 14:04.57 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: it is stated like this: "bnx2 57257 0 |
| 14:05.12 | wols_ | ZeroEnna: maybe the default debian kernel modules don't support this particular pci id with their modules. so you have to compile your special one on your own and use that |
| 14:05.20 | Bushmills | does lspci -k show the NIC bound to the module? |
| 14:05.46 | tuxcrafter | ZeroEnna: modinfo <module> will show the ID supported by the driver |
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| 14:05.53 | karthick87 | We are running apt-catcher server in our office. So all the updates and installation will be done via this cache server. If i want to install any packages directly from ubuntu, how can i do it ? |
| 14:06.00 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: Yes, it does. |
| 14:06.02 | tuxcrafter | if there is no match your hardware is not yet supported by that driver |
| 14:06.14 | tuxcrafter | ZeroEnna: you may try a 2.6.38 kernel |
| 14:06.28 | Bushmills | ZeroEnna: how do you (try to) up the interface? |
| 14:06.30 | wols_ | karthick87: #ubuntu |
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| 14:06.41 | karthick87 | Oke |
| 14:06.43 | Chotaz_ | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f4a6898c/ |
| 14:06.47 | Seth_Hikaru | Why can't I login to root on gnome? |
| 14:07.00 | ZeroEnna | I know it is up, because I am on the server via PuTTY |
| 14:07.11 | Bushmills | Seth_Hikaru: probably because gnome is smart enough to protect you from doing so |
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| 14:07.19 | wols_ | Chotaz_: look at /etc/init.d/skeleton to see how a proper init script looks like |
| 14:07.23 | sickgut | oi oi oi ! |
| 14:07.27 | sickgut | i have a question |
| 14:07.33 | jelly | Seth_Hikaru: isn't that a deliberate design choice in Gnome |
| 14:07.35 | Seth_Hikaru | How do I politely tell gnome to fuck off then? |
| 14:07.42 | Chotaz_ | wols_: ty, till do |
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| 14:07.54 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: redirect all of gnome to /dev/null where it belongs? |
| 14:07.57 | sickgut | can i get apt-get program to remove all the -dev packages from my system? |
| 14:08.03 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: Touche. |
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| 14:08.15 | Seth_Hikaru | But seriously, I need access to root from gnome login. |
| 14:08.17 | jelly | Seth_Hikaru: it's easier to do it their way (log in as user), or use something else entirely |
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| 14:08.26 | sickgut | like libsdl1.2-dev <---- example |
| 14:08.30 | Bushmills | sickgut: apt-get clean |
| 14:08.31 | Chotaz_ | sickgut: ifnm, sudo apt-get purge *-dev |
| 14:08.41 | wols_ | Bushmills: that doesn't do what he wants :) |
| 14:08.44 | Bushmills | oh. -dev. not those in archive |
| 14:08.56 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: It's up, I'm on the server via SSH |
| 14:08.56 | Bushmills | wols_: i noticed. a bit late but i did |
| 14:08.56 | jelly | Seth_Hikaru: choose some other session type (is there a "Safe mode" or "recovery" or "basic X session") |
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| 14:09.31 | sickgut | chotaz what is ifnm? |
| 14:09.34 | Bushmills | ZeroEnna: so the interface is working. i thought you said you could't make it work |
| 14:09.36 | ZeroEnna | tuxcrafter: Is this kernel shipped with Squeeze? |
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| 14:09.41 | Chotaz_ | if im not mistaken |
| 14:09.44 | Seth_Hikaru | No. |
| 14:09.49 | sickgut | k thnks |
| 14:10.01 | Seth_Hikaru | I guess I don't really need root access. |
| 14:10.01 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: During setup, I had to use additional firmware and this kernel module to make it work |
| 14:10.07 | jelly | Seth_Hikaru: which sessions are available to choose from? |
| 14:10.07 | tuxcrafter | ZeroEnna: in the backports |
| 14:10.07 | themill | Chotaz_: that command won't do what you think it does |
| 14:10.09 | Seth_Hikaru | I just need to set up my sudoers. |
| 14:10.10 | Chotaz_ | anyways, why would you want to do that you know some other packages might depend on those -dev ones right? |
| 14:10.22 | Seth_Hikaru | jelly: No sessions. |
| 14:10.30 | Chotaz_ | themill: which command? |
| 14:10.44 | themill | Chotaz_: your apt-get one. apt uses regexes not globs. |
| 14:10.45 | Bushmills | ZeroEnna: sounds normal. broadcom devices usually need non-free firmware. and kernel modules are common for support of devices |
| 14:10.48 | jelly | Seth_Hikaru: there's no place to choose it at all? Or is the choice empty? |
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| 14:11.05 | Seth_Hikaru | There's no choice. |
| 14:11.25 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: So I put this module into /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks, because I read that it will be included in any kernel upgrades that might be installed afterwards |
| 14:11.25 | Seth_Hikaru | no place to choose* |
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| 14:11.50 | jelly | Seth_Hikaru: in any case, you're right. If you just want to configure sudoers, become root by issuing "su -" from a terminal |
| 14:11.58 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: And afterwrds I recompiled the kernel, so then it worked |
| 14:12.00 | Chotaz_ | wols_: I've been reading skeleton and I dont want it to start or stop, I jsut wasnt it to run 4/5 commands on startup and 2 other ones on shutdown :\ |
| 14:12.09 | Bushmills | why does your initram system need network support? isn't it enough when the second stage boot system has? |
| 14:12.13 | sickgut | chotaz im making a live linux distro and i wanna remove some dev packages i know got installed but i cant remember the name lol |
| 14:12.27 | sickgut | so i can reeduce the size of the image etc |
| 14:12.27 | wols_ | Chotaz_: and then you use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a point to start from. that way you can do what you want |
| 14:12.30 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: So the kernel module isn't needed at all? |
| 14:12.49 | wols_ | sickgut: dpkg --get-selections *-dev |
| 14:12.57 | sickgut | ill go through the status files and do a search for dev |
| 14:13.03 | sickgut | ok thanks |
| 14:13.11 | Pupeno_ | For NTP, should I use debian.pool.ntp.org or a geographical name, like de.pool.ntp.org? |
| 14:13.23 | sickgut | omg |
| 14:13.26 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.27 | Bushmills | ZeroEnna: your initrd system is more about access to storage from which to load the complete support |
| 14:13.29 | themill | sickgut: aptitude remove '~n-dev$' would do it. Or use a regex with apt-get. Check that it's actually going to do what you want. |
| 14:13.31 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.33 | ZeroEnna | Pupeno: If you are from Germany, use: ptbtime1.ptb.de |
| 14:14.00 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: Okay, I see. |
| 14:14.01 | sickgut | the wols solution brings up all the names of the devs from there i can unins tall thanks |
| 14:14.03 | wols_ | ZeroEnna: pool.ntp.org, no matter where you are |
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| 14:14.22 | ZeroEnna | wols_: Not my question ;) |
| 14:14.30 | Pupeno_ | ZeroEnna: why? I have servers in Germany and in UK. |
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| 14:14.52 | wols_ | ZeroEnna: right. it improves and answer you gave |
| 14:15.10 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: So A dist-upgrade may cause no problems at all as long as the firmware .deb package stays installed? |
| 14:15.50 | Bushmills | ZeroEnna: it may be that upgrade will download a new firmware package during installation for you |
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| 14:16.16 | Chotaz_ | wols_: I dont get it, whats a daemon? |
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| 14:16.44 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: As long as it is compatible and my network devices will work afterwards, it's okay for me. Do you know of any broadcom issues with squeeze? |
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| 14:16.48 | wols_ | Chotaz_: a program running in the background |
| 14:17.09 | ZeroEnna | Chotaz_: It's like what called in Windows "Service". |
| 14:17.13 | Chotaz_ | wols_: I dont want nothing running in the background, should I remove this? |
| 14:17.29 | Bushmills | ZeroEnna: should depend on the specific device. but nowadays, getting broadcom devices to work requires less effort than it once did |
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| 14:17.39 | Chotaz_ | ZeroEnna: wouldn't know, I've never used Windows |
| 14:18.05 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: The problem is what to do when it won't work. The Data Center is about 40 miles away. |
| 14:18.07 | wols_ | Chotaz_: just create two scripts. put one in /etc/rc2.d/ to run on bootup and the other in /etc/rc6.d/ to run on shutdown |
| 14:18.14 | Bushmills | especially the b43xx devices are almost effortless now |
| 14:18.36 | wols_ | Chotaz_: otherwise you need to learn how sysinit works and how to use linux, e.g. what a daemon is |
| 14:18.44 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: The Device "ID" is BCM5716 |
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| 14:19.07 | Bushmills | can't say anything about those - not within the realm of personal experience |
| 14:19.14 | dvs | ZeroEnna: Whats the PCI ID? |
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| 14:19.20 | ragnar76 | hi all |
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| 14:20.25 | sourcode | vpojkiydmujl6f |
| 14:20.41 | ragnar76 | is it possible to convert a running fs into a encrypted fs on the fly? |
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| 14:20.56 | ZeroEnna | dvs: 14e4:163b |
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| 14:21.30 | ZeroEnna | ragnar76: Yes, it is. I did it on windows, however, but it should be no problem on Debian as well. Try TrueCrypt |
| 14:21.47 | ZeroEnna | ragnar76: It think it is Open Source, but I'm not quite sure about that |
| 14:22.02 | dvs | ,pciid 14e4:163b |
| 14:22.03 | judd | [14e4:163b] is 'NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'bnx2' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:163b |
| 14:22.21 | dvs | Ok, so that's right |
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| 14:22.58 | ZeroEnna | dvs: It seems as it works with all kernels after 2.6.29 |
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| 14:23.30 | wols_ | ZeroEnna: but check if it needs non-free firmware |
| 14:24.01 | ZeroEnna | wols_: It does... is there a way to download it before the upgrade to somewhere on the local HDD to install it afterwards? |
| 14:24.49 | wols_ | yes, download it via packages.debian.org or check /msg dpkg firmware |
| 14:25.16 | ZeroEnna | wols_: And afterwards I install it with dpkg -i |
| 14:25.29 | joe6 | bw123, turning off java gave an immediate boost. Thanks |
| 14:25.53 | mrdeb | wow ok. so java is bad |
| 14:25.58 | dvs | ZeroEnna: There's a backported kernel for lenny |
| 14:26.17 | ZeroEnna | dvs: I would like to upgrade to squeeze, but thanks anyway |
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| 14:26.52 | ZeroEnna | disabling java even gives a boost to a snail...damn thing v.v |
| 14:26.54 | dvs | ZeroEnna: You can get the new kernel first to make it work then do the upgrade |
| 14:27.15 | ZeroEnna | dvs: I use the kmuto kernel 2.26.32 |
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| 14:27.40 | ZeroEnna | sorry, it's 2.6, not 2.26 |
| 14:27.45 | mrdeb | will the new kernel make it into debian stable |
| 14:28.12 | Bushmills | 2.6.38 is in backports |
| 14:28.21 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 14:28.21 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 14:28.41 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: In backports for lenny, or for squeeze? |
| 14:29.10 | Bushmills | "lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1)" it says a line above |
| 14:29.35 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: yeah I saw it, thanks. So I do a normal upgrade to Squeeze, and THEN install the backported Kernel? |
| 14:30.00 | mrdeb | is itworth adding backports to sources.lst? |
| 14:30.02 | mrdeb | for hte kernel |
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| 14:30.29 | Bushmills | no, if you can live with the stable kernel, 2.6.32 |
| 14:30.39 | ZeroEnna | yes it's fine with me |
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| 14:31.10 | mrdeb | thanks Bushmills |
| 14:31.16 | Bushmills | i'm actually still running 2.6.32 on a testing system - because the 2.6.38 isn't very reliable on that machine |
| 14:32.07 | mrdeb | ok |
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| 14:32.20 | ZeroEnna | so okay, I download the newest firmware for squeeze, perform the upgrade, and if the new firmware isn't downloaded anyway, I install it afterwards manually |
| 14:32.38 | ZeroEnna | sounds great. Hopefully, my RAID controller will cause no problems with Squeeze...next big thing |
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| 14:33.05 | Bushmills | i heard of people having had problems with upgrades with respect to RAID |
| 14:33.24 | mrdeb | well i dont use raid |
| 14:33.29 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: What kind of raid controllers? LSI? |
| 14:33.30 | mrdeb | thats basically for server use |
| 14:33.36 | karlpinc | ZeroEnna: Software raid is generally preferred, unless you're an enterprise and can afford to have a compatiable controller around in case your controller dies. |
| 14:33.38 | ZeroEnna | mrdeb: I run a server! |
| 14:33.52 | Bushmills | ZeroEnna: softraid. |
| 14:34.08 | ZeroEnna | karlpinc: I am sorry, but it was shipped with the server :) |
| 14:34.26 | ZeroEnna | Bushmills: No I use hardware raid, so it seems to be no problem at all, right? |
| 14:34.35 | karlpinc | ZeroEnna: Since it's doing raid in software anyway, turn it's raid off and use the well tested/fast/etc. software raid that's built into Linux. |
| 14:35.21 | karlpinc | ZeroEnna: No. They just sold you a "raid controller" that needs proprietary software running in the OS to work. |
| 14:35.24 | mrdeb | yes |
| 14:35.43 | ZeroEnna | karlpinc: They sold a RAID controller with it's own BIOS only to be used in the OS? |
| 14:35.49 | ZeroEnna | That doesn't make sense in ANY way! |
| 14:36.06 | karlpinc | ZeroEnna: That's because you said something completely different from what I said. |
| 14:36.24 | karlpinc | ZeroEnna: Your "raid controller" needs a driver to work. That driver is doing the raid in software. |
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| 14:36.36 | sun_ | how do you install firefox 4 on debian? |
| 14:36.41 | ZeroEnna | karlpinc: Sorry, I was talking about raid monitoring with mptstatus |
| 14:36.43 | karlpinc | !tell sun_ about backports |
| 14:36.47 | ZeroEnna | I wonder if that will work afterwards |
| 14:37.13 | karlpinc | ZeroEnna: What's mptstatus? (You could use snmp....) |
| 14:37.36 | ZeroEnna | karlpinc: basically it's the same, however it is used by ISPConfig to monitor raid status |
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| 14:37.53 | ZeroEnna | so I rely on it rather then on the Remote Service Board ^^ |
| 14:38.08 | karlpinc | ZeroEnna: So they re-invented snmp? What's ISPConfig? |
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| 14:38.31 | jenev | what is the name of the library used to play mp3 files on linux? |
| 14:38.35 | ZeroEnna | it's about the same as sysCP or Konfixx, if you know what I mean |
| 14:38.56 | karlpinc | !tell jenev about dmm |
| 14:39.09 | karlpinc | jenev: You may also want to check out the <overview> factoid. |
| 14:39.09 | ZeroEnna | a web-based Management tool for web space, Mail accounts, and so on.... to put it in a nutshell: For multi-domain hosting |
| 14:39.19 | boudiccas | why cant i use konqueror as root please? when i try i get this message...............No protocol specified konqueror: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 14:39.33 | ajikeshi_ | !tell ajikeshi_ about dmm |
| 14:39.39 | Chotaz_ | wols_: I created both mountdrbd on rc2.d and unmountdrbd in rc6.d then I propmtly restarted the computer but it didn't run the script :\ |
| 14:39.48 | ajikeshi_ | aaah |
| 14:39.49 | ajikeshi_ | :D |
| 14:40.07 | karlpinc | ZeroEnna: If it uses IETF or other royalty free standards then it'll probably work. If it's proprietary it depends on whether someone has bothered to reverse-engineer it. |
| 14:40.35 | ZeroEnna | okay thanks a lot to all of you! |
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| 14:41.15 | karlpinc | !tell ZeroEnna about free whcp |
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| 14:41.42 | wols_ | Chotaz_: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/mountd* |
| 14:42.20 | wols_ | boudiccas: how did you start konq? |
| 14:42.48 | boudiccas | wols_; i'm trying to do it from the cli as root |
| 14:43.12 | wols_ | !tell boudiccas about xauth |
| 14:43.15 | Bushmills | ZeroEnna: check out dtc |
| 14:45.04 | Chotaz_ | wols_: hum, lemmet jsut hard reboot the machine (it hangs on shutdown when stopping some services, that's why I need the unmount script, to stop it from hanging) |
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| 14:46.43 | ragnar76 | what's that? Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Unable to open a connection to the session bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. |
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| 14:47.50 | Bushmills | Chotaz_: debian does umount -a during shutdown. if your device is listed in fstab, it should be unmounted |
| 14:47.56 | jedd | I'm trying to install a crufty cpan module for ssleay .. and it's complaining about a 'probably harmless' missing library for -lgcc ... i've got libgcc1 and gcc-multilib installed .. any clues what i'm missing? |
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| 14:49.26 | Bushmills | ,files probably_harmless |
| 14:49.49 | webad_13 | anyone using directvnc here? |
| 14:49.59 | webad_13 | for framebuffer |
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| 14:57.28 | rooisto47 | hi everybody |
| 14:57.34 | rooisto47 | can you help me set my "maxi power twl541p" wifi carde ? here is the output of the "lspci -k" |
| 14:57.43 | rooisto47 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 43) Subsystem: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless |
| 14:57.55 | Chotaz_ | wols_: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1319 May 18 15:36 /etc/rc2.d/mountdrbd |
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| 15:00.46 | wols_ | Chotaz_: look at how the other scripts in there look. it needs to use S??xxxxxx naming for starting and K??xxxxxx for stopping |
| 15:01.02 | wols_ | also, they're all symlinks |
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| 15:02.17 | Chotaz_ | wols_: what are the number? |
| 15:02.43 | Chotaz_ | numbers |
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| 15:03.44 | wols_ | depends when you want to start it. and since you don't want to use the example script to base yours on you might get problems anyways since normally dependency based sysvinit is used from now on |
| 15:04.29 | wols_ | the scripts are run starting from 1 to 99 |
| 15:05.13 | Chotaz_ | wols_: its not that I dont want to, I jsut dont understand anything of it. |
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| 15:05.51 | wols_ | then I suggest you start to learn. knowing what a daemon is in linux is very basic. you know what a windows service is, right? |
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| 15:06.31 | Chotaz_ | wols_: no, I've never used windows. |
| 15:06.54 | mrdeb | why does conky font change to bold temporarily when anothe window is dragged over it |
| 15:07.01 | mrdeb | in dedsktop mode |
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| 15:07.33 | Bushmills | Chotaz_: MS-DOS TSRs (terminate-and-stay-resident) mean anything to you? |
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| 15:08.14 | Chotaz_ | Bushmills: no sir, I'm just an home user trying to get my computer to fit my purposes :) |
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| 15:08.59 | Bushmills | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_%28computer_software%29 |
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| 15:11.31 | Chotaz_ | wols_: ok I changed files' names at rc2.d and rc6.d |
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| 15:11.52 | Chotaz_ | wols_: I'll try rebooting now |
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| 15:16.40 | Chotaz_ | wols_: didn't work, the script didnt run and the computer hung at stopping high availability services again |
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| 15:23.40 | wols_ | someone who never used windows and never used unix either but has to configure HA devices is simply a troll... |
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| 15:27.00 | Chotaz_ | I have no idea what an HA device is, but its ok, I'm a troll |
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| 15:29.14 | jelly | ha! |
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| 15:31.15 | xyzp | ha |
| 15:31.38 | tekzilla | when several machines network-boot from the same root-fs, do i have to provide each client with its own /var ? /var/run and lock are already tmpfs |
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| 15:32.10 | wols_ | Chotaz_: HA = high availability |
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| 15:32.40 | xyzp | jelly? |
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| 15:33.21 | tekzilla | maybe make the entire /var a ramdisk ? |
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| 15:34.03 | jelly | xyzp: huh? |
| 15:34.42 | infernix | 10951 unlink("/usr/bin/nm") = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted). I am root, there are no extended attributes on this file (lsattr shows nothing). |
| 15:34.46 | infernix | what could cause this? |
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| 15:35.08 | karlpinc | tekzilla: See the fhs. |
| 15:35.12 | karlpinc | !fhs |
| 15:35.12 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 15:35.23 | xyzp | jelly, no, ha :-p |
| 15:35.38 | Chotaz_ | wols_: i still dont know what an high availability device is, ill just try to find tutorials about mounting and unmounting on startup/shutdown |
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| 15:36.23 | tmbigrigg | just installed Squeeze on HP dv7 laptop. now keyboard and track pad do not work, external usb mouse/keyboard are fine. |
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| 15:37.07 | xyzp | wonder why |
| 15:37.10 | tekzilla | karlpinc: thanks, guess i should have read that a long time ago anyway |
| 15:37.12 | tmbigrigg | any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 15:37.43 | jedd | tmbigrigg: dpkg -l | grep xorg | grep input |
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| 15:37.47 | wols_ | tmbigrigg: not even outside X? no keyboard? |
| 15:37.49 | jedd | tmbigrigg: what have you got installed? |
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| 15:38.02 | wols_ | jedd: he just said: squeeze |
| 15:38.15 | jedd | wols_: see the line immediately above. |
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| 15:38.40 | eyeris | I screwed up the config for the solr-tomcat and solr-common packages. I'd like to get the default config back. However `aptitude remove --purge solr-tomcat solr-common && aptitude install -f solr-tomcat solr-common` did not reinstall the config files it did when I first installed the packages. `dpkg-query -S /etc/solr` does list solr-common as the package associated with that dir, but not any of the files that should be in that dir. |
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| 15:38.55 | wols_ | !tell eyeris about confmiss |
| 15:39.36 | eyeris | Thanks |
| 15:39.46 | tmbigrigg | jedd: ii xserver-xorg-input-all 1:7.5+8 the X.Org X server -- input driver metapackage |
| 15:39.46 | tmbigrigg | ii xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.3.2-6 X.Org X server -- evdev input driver |
| 15:39.46 | tmbigrigg | ii xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 1.2.2-2 Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server |
| 15:39.46 | tmbigrigg | ii xserver-xorg-input-wacom 0.10.5+20100416-1 X.Org X server -- Wacom input driver |
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| 15:40.11 | xyzp | ops |
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| 15:40.35 | oldtopman | xyzp: Whats up? |
| 15:42.01 | xyzp | oldtopman, im just looking around, you? |
| 15:42.32 | oldtopman | Wondering why debian keeps KPing. |
| 15:43.00 | karlpinc | eyeris: What you did wrong was "aptitude remove ...." instead of "aptitude purge ....". |
| 15:43.03 | oldtopman | It hates my setup :( |
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| 15:43.25 | xyzp | i want ecasound, but how? |
| 15:43.33 | Chotaz_ | wols_: got the startup working with crontab |
| 15:43.41 | Chotaz_ | wols_: not just the shutdown to go |
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| 15:44.12 | eyeris | karlpinc: Thanks. The older apt-get verbs are still ingrained in my fingertips |
| 15:44.24 | Chotaz_ | root |
| 15:44.25 | oldtopman | XD |
| 15:44.46 | karlpinc | eyeris: There should be an apt-get equalivent, I think. |
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| 15:45.36 | LightKnight | anyone expert in udev here? "/sbin/udevadm info --export-db | grep -i XKB" returns nothing, is it bad? |
| 15:45.49 | xyzp | <---newbie |
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| 15:46.29 | karlpinc | xyzp: Then perhaps you want alsa instead. (Dunno. I don't do sound.) |
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| 15:47.21 | xyzp | karlpinc, ok |
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| 15:51.24 | cahoot | karlpinc: ecasound is an application for manipulating audio - needs alsa |
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| 15:58.07 | Savis | any one know if http://www.skytale.net/blog/archives/26-Creating-a-write-only-directory-with-SAMBA-and-ZFS.html is posible with debian? |
| 15:58.48 | jhutchins_lt | Savis: Of course it is. |
| 15:59.20 | Savis | know a good place to start on making it happen? |
| 15:59.55 | Savis | i dont want zfs to be my system drive |
| 15:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | Savis: The method would be the same regardless of the distribution. |
| 16:00.02 | Savis | just the storage drive... |
| 16:00.16 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think zfs has anything to do with making a read-only samba share. |
| 16:00.16 | Savis | well zfs dont come with debian.... |
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| 16:00.24 | jhutchins_lt | Savis: Or write only. |
| 16:00.44 | Savis | umm to have the access permisions that i want yes you do need zfs unless you have some magical way of mimicing NTFS |
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| 16:00.56 | jhutchins_lt | !zfs |
| 16:00.56 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in squeeze. A <FUSE> implementation for Debian GNU/Linux systems is in zfs-fuse. For ZFS on Squeeze, see http://deb.li/i4JhI . http://zfs-fuse.net/ #zfs-fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:00.58 | Savis | i need Group A full access Group B Read / Write but no Delete. |
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| 16:04.41 | wols_ | !acl |
| 16:04.41 | dpkg | acl is probably Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 16:05.10 | skamikaze | !gjs |
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| 16:05.26 | skamikaze | (maybe too bleeding edge :> ) |
| 16:05.26 | wols_ | skamikaze: it helps when you know beforehand that the factoid exists :P |
| 16:05.38 | wols_ | which is why you check before typing |
| 16:05.40 | skamikaze | try and error dude :) |
| 16:05.55 | simonlnu | listkeys listvals |
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| 16:06.05 | tmbigrigg | jedd: keyboard and mouse only fail once X starts |
| 16:06.30 | phix | hi |
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| 16:07.27 | wols_ | tmbigrigg: then check your Xorg logs |
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| 16:07.40 | netSys | hi all |
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| 16:10.36 | mogglefrange | Hi. What's the easiest way to build a debian system for four to six monitors? |
| 16:11.31 | wols_ | put approx 3 videocards into a PC and create a big screen in X? |
| 16:11.41 | stew | hire someone? |
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| 16:12.15 | mogglefrange | I guess my question is: do xrandr and open source drivers now support this? |
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| 16:12.36 | mogglefrange | Because as I recall, xrand and oss drivers were limited to two heads about a year or two ago |
| 16:13.10 | mogglefrange | and weren't able to spread a desktop across multiple cards due to an abstraction issue in xrandr |
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| 16:16.02 | tmbigrigg | wols_ what should I be looking for in xorg.0.log to indicate why my laptop keyboard and trackpad fail once the GUI login screen opens? |
| 16:16.12 | wols_ | "EE" |
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| 16:17.41 | project2501a | !greek |
| 16:17.47 | project2501a | hates on dpkg |
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| 16:19.44 | tmbigrigg | wols_ (EE) Microsoft Microsoft Nano Transceiver v2.0: failed to initialize for relative axes. |
| 16:20.06 | wols_ | that more sounds like a rodent |
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| 16:21.31 | Rich___ | . |
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| 16:23.01 | tmbigrigg | maybe I should switch to Mint |
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| 16:23.30 | xelatr | a |
| 16:23.48 | boudiccas | when trying to rename a new drive [external USB drive imaginatively called "Expansion Drive"] it fails with this error message ..... http://pastebin.com/VG8LpYff |
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| 16:24.49 | boudiccas | how do i get it renamed please? |
| 16:24.59 | wols_ | boudiccas: man mv |
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| 16:25.32 | netSys | tmbigrigg, What debian version uses? |
| 16:25.33 | Savis | so zfs is gona be slow as garbage on debian then i take it? |
| 16:25.49 | tmbigrigg | netSys. Squeeze |
| 16:26.12 | infernix | what's the easiest way to find files on a filesystem that were modified on, say, January 14th 2011 (any time that day)? |
| 16:26.16 | netSys | Savis, ZFS has got licenses problems with linux. Because almost not ported good to linux or lost |
| 16:26.29 | netSys | if you want use ZFS, you can try Solaris or FreeBSD |
| 16:26.56 | wols_ | infernix: find |
| 16:27.17 | infernix | wols_: yeah, but that means manually calculating the amount of x*24 hours. that's doable but not easy. |
| 16:27.50 | Savis | i guess then i ask what do you sugest (other than runing a windows file server) for me to do ? |
| 16:27.56 | wols_ | infernix: ls -lR / | grep "date" ? |
| 16:28.06 | Savis | samba works great except for this 1 folder that i need the specific permisions for. |
| 16:28.11 | wols_ | Savis: have you read about ACLs? |
| 16:28.11 | tmbigrigg | i love Debian on my server but not too sure about it on my laptop |
| 16:28.28 | infernix | wols_: won't show the absolute file path, so kind of useless |
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| 16:29.07 | Savis | i have read about acls |
| 16:29.09 | netSys | tmbigrigg, What Debian version you want to install or already installed on your laptop? |
| 16:29.23 | Savis | but there is no way to allow group A full control group B read / write but no delete. |
| 16:29.25 | Savis | using acl |
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| 16:29.40 | Savis | i can just ad more than 1 group / user to the share folder. |
| 16:29.42 | jhutchins_lt | infernix: Will if you tell it to. |
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| 16:30.03 | Savis | thats typicly what acl is used for right? sense linux FS only suports 1 group 1 owner... |
| 16:30.15 | jhutchins_lt | Write without delete is a null concept. |
| 16:30.17 | Savis | you use acl to specify multiple groups / users. |
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| 16:30.25 | Savis | in a comuting world yes |
| 16:30.37 | Savis | but we live in a world where users have unrealistic expecations and they are posible |
| 16:30.40 | tmbigrigg | netSys i have installed Squeeze on an HP dv7. works great until X starts then I lose keyboard and mouse and have to resort to external usb keyboard/mouse |
| 16:30.58 | Savis | i know what im trying to do is posible but im not sure how |
| 16:31.20 | stew | Savis: you can have read/write but no delete by giving them rw on the file but not w on the containing directory |
| 16:31.21 | jhutchins_lt | Right, cause I can just copy /dev/null to a file and how have I not effectively deleted it? |
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| 16:31.49 | netSys | Check if your psmouse module is work |
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| 16:32.11 | netSys | and check if you have installed xserver-xorg-input-kbd and xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
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| 16:32.27 | Savis | hrmm not too sure i follow with that stew |
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| 16:32.59 | cahoot | Savis: chattr -a is useless too? |
| 16:33.12 | netSys | Select (mode recovery mode) or use debian CD/DVD to start chrooting mode |
| 16:33.32 | Savis | hrmm |
| 16:33.35 | Savis | chattr |
| 16:33.39 | Savis | let me look in to that |
| 16:33.44 | Savis | i will have to read about it |
| 16:34.02 | Savis | isnt that for changing attributes of files and folders? |
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| 16:36.32 | tmbigrigg | netSys latest xserver-xorg-inpup-kbd and mouse installed |
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| 16:38.37 | jaggz | I'm trying to update my etch apache2 from 2.2.9 to 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 .. but aptitude says they come from untrusted sources? |
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| 16:38.54 | jaggz | why untrusted sources? I don't get it.. I'm listing the normal debian repo in my sources |
| 16:39.01 | homie | i get unknown kernel rlimit maxrealtime timeout.... |
| 16:39.06 | homie | hmmmm in my logs |
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| 16:39.38 | homie | and my irc client does not reconnect anymore .... |
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| 16:40.50 | coagen | jaggz: try apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 16:42.04 | netSys | tmbigrigg, Try with start recovery mode or chrooting and create xorg.conf file with any word for example: o. This is, when you start Debian normally mode is not startup gdm and you can generate Xorg -configure and modify this. Next to move /root/xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and test |
| 16:43.16 | tmbigrigg | thanks |
| 16:43.22 | raenk | What is this error related to: php5-curl : Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.3-7) but 5.3.3-7+squeeze1 is to be installed It states before that it has unmet dependencies, but not which ones. I have googled but not using the right keywords maybe as I can't get a clue. I'm trying to install php5-curl as you can see |
| 16:43.44 | raenk | I don't think is related to the package but something broke in apt |
| 16:43.45 | themill | raenk: sounds like you're mixing squeeze and wheezy |
| 16:44.30 | raenk | themill: how can I straight it up ? I don't have squeezy reps anymore and upgrade and dist-upgrade have been performed |
| 16:45.26 | raenk | Actually I never had the reps mixed |
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| 16:46.23 | jaggz | coagen, I'm sure I've done that sometime.. it says "no ultimately trusted keys found" |
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| 16:47.29 | themill | raenk: can you pastebin the output of: aptitude versions '?widen(?name(php)?installed)' |
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| 16:47.36 | netSys | tmbigrigg, I had that problem when I installed "testing" in the netbook. I had to do fancy stuff for me to work the keyboard and mouse. But after upgrading xserver-xorg * went to break again. So I installed it and everything worked squeeze just that very same day the HDD died. |
| 16:48.20 | netSys | I hate capitalism! |
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| 16:48.42 | coagen | jaggz: and do you see the squeeze key in the output of this command "dpkg-reconfigure debian-archive-keyring" |
| 16:49.08 | jaggz | gpg: key B98321F9: "Squeeze Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org>" not changed |
| 16:49.10 | coagen | jaggz: or any keys in that output for that matter? |
| 16:49.43 | coagen | jaggz: and the etch key is there as well? |
| 16:50.00 | raenk | themill: http://pastebin.com/6bD3tsuB |
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| 16:50.11 | jaggz | no wait, I'm at 4.0 .. |
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| 16:50.54 | jaggz | yeah.. that's etch.. wanted to make sure. No etch key is in here |
| 16:51.28 | jaggz | oh wait, isn't etch unsupported officially now? |
| 16:51.41 | simonlnu | hasn't been for a while... |
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| 16:52.06 | coagen | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 16:52.12 | netSys | http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 16:52.25 | simonlnu | might want to upgrade to lenny then squeeze |
| 16:52.27 | jaggz | this is a colocated server.. I've been concerned about updating it from a distance |
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| 16:53.16 | netSys | Etch today is Jurassic Park jaggz |
| 16:53.19 | jhutchins_lt | !etch sources |
| 16:53.34 | jhutchins_lt | !etch sources.list |
| 16:53.34 | dpkg | i heard etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 16:53.46 | coagen | jaggz: any specific hardware that might require firmware in the box? if not i wouldn't worry as much |
| 16:54.21 | simonlnu | for the update to squeeze (and possibly lenny) he'll need a more recent kernel. |
| 16:54.28 | jaggz | it's a dell 2950 or 2590 .. or whatever |
| 16:54.29 | themill | raenk: the versions of php in wheezy are actually older than the versions in squeeze (because they have unfixed security vulnerabilities... you already know not to use testing on a server, don't you?) If you remove all the php5 packages and then install them it will sort itself out. Alternatively, use the "aptitude install package=version" syntax to convince aptitude to downgrade the packages. |
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| 16:54.56 | simonlnu | if he has the default etch kernel, then most definitely. |
| 16:55.22 | boudiccas | when trying to rename a removable USB drive, called 'Expansion Drive' under debian 6, i get this....... http://pastebin.com/e0DXCN0i .......how can i resolve it please |
| 16:55.50 | coagen | jaggz: what kernel version? "uname -a" |
| 16:56.02 | jaggz | 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 16:57.26 | netSys | boudiccas, http://www.linux-archive.org/ubuntu-user/331004-using-rename-cp-rename-file.html |
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| 16:57.37 | simonlnu | yeh, etch's |
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| 16:58.00 | coagen | jaggz: you have two choices, upgrade and risk potential issues or keep adding packages that they keyring cannot verify and hope that it doesnt break, right simonlnu? |
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| 16:59.22 | simonlnu | the keyring is not the issue. the issue is incompatibilities and library breakage due to a number of factors. |
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| 17:01.33 | simonlnu | so you have your choice, stay with etch, and have it break down, and have to reinstall eventually, or upgrade to lenny then squeeze. |
| 17:01.50 | simonlnu | you have max 2 reboots to do |
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| 17:02.11 | simonlnu | you'll want to see the release notes for each one |
| 17:03.03 | raenk | themill: It is a home server, so no biggie for security, but now I'm not sure about going backwards in php :/ Is there a way to keep squeezy php and leave the rest wheezy ? |
| 17:03.11 | Savis | ok let me see if i get this right |
| 17:03.22 | simonlnu | squeeze, wheezy |
| 17:03.33 | Savis | if i use the chattr +i on a folder than anything in that folder cant be deleted even by root with out removing the +i ? |
| 17:04.05 | simonlnu | 'then', 'without'. yes. |
| 17:04.20 | simonlnu | man chattr |
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| 17:06.09 | houms | can anyone help me install xchat, when I try it complains about libperl5.10 > being unmet dep. that is not installable, even though libperl5.12 is already installed. |
| 17:06.14 | houms | this is debian testing |
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| 17:06.16 | houms | ? |
| 17:06.52 | simonlnu | wait for xchat to be updated |
| 17:07.17 | Savis | the whole "man chattr" statement is really trollish imo had i not been reading it in the first place i wouldnt have asked the question to clarify |
| 17:07.39 | netSys | you can compile xchat houms with PERL_VERSION=5.12 on your make.conf |
| 17:07.51 | houms | so what do i do in the meantime? not fond of using pidgin for irc |
| 17:07.56 | simonlnu | thank you so much for calling me a troll. HAND *plonk* |
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| 17:08.26 | houms | plus i am not sure why the dep cannot be met if libperl5.12 is already installed? |
| 17:08.50 | MrFrood | houms: there is almost no end of clients |
| 17:08.54 | ansgar | houms: Pastebin the full error somewhere. |
| 17:08.55 | netSys | perl 5.10 is old version |
| 17:08.56 | simonlnu | houms: it should be in any time. all the dds know about the perl transition, so it won't take long. |
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| 17:09.02 | netSys | and you have perl 5.12 |
| 17:09.14 | simonlnu | ,versions irssi |
| 17:09.15 | judd | Package irssi on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.15-2; sid: 0.8.15-3+b1; wheezy: 0.8.15-3+b1 |
| 17:09.30 | houms | netsys it says libperl5.12 is already the newest version. |
| 17:09.33 | simonlnu | irssi is up to date ^_^ |
| 17:09.55 | jaggz | ponders |
| 17:09.55 | netSys | hence |
| 17:09.58 | simonlnu | netSys: *what* make.conf ? |
| 17:10.00 | MrFrood | .versions weechat |
| 17:10.07 | MrFrood | :( |
| 17:10.09 | netSys | simonlnu, /etc/make.conf |
| 17:10.11 | ansgar | xchat as well: xchat | 2.8.8-3+b1 | wheezy, Depends: [...] libperl5.12 (>= 5.12.3) |
| 17:10.16 | jaggz | I think I should wait a day until I can possibly make it to the data center and do the update |
| 17:10.20 | simonlnu | netSys: only on *bsd |
| 17:10.29 | netSys | not on gentoo too |
| 17:10.35 | MrFrood | ,versions weechat |
| 17:10.37 | judd | Package weechat on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.6-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.2.6-1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.3.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.3.2-1; sid: 0.3.3-3; squeeze-backports: 0.3.4-2~bpo60+1; sid: 0.3.4-2; wheezy: 0.3.4-2 |
| 17:10.40 | MrFrood | :) |
| 17:10.53 | Bushmills | ,versions libperl5.12 |
| 17:10.53 | judd | Package libperl5.12 on i386 -- sid: 5.12.3-6; wheezy: 5.12.3-6 |
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| 17:11.05 | simonlnu | this isn't #gentoo or #freebsd/#netbsd either |
| 17:11.09 | Bushmills | where did you get libperl5.12 from? |
| 17:11.24 | houms | I am running debian testing |
| 17:11.28 | houms | libperl is from repo |
| 17:11.29 | simonlnu | he's on testing |
| 17:11.38 | Bushmills | ,versions libnperl5.10 |
| 17:11.40 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libnperl5.10' was found in i386. |
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| 17:11.44 | netSys | simonlnu, ok, sorry, I don't know these! |
| 17:11.49 | Bushmills | ,versions libperl5.10 |
| 17:11.50 | judd | Package libperl5.10 on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; squeeze: 5.10.1-17 |
| 17:12.03 | raenk | themill: well, I just did a not recommended thing for sure, but I got php5-curl installed, let's see how it goes |
| 17:12.07 | raenk | themill: thanks ! |
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| 17:12.30 | houms | xchat seems to require libperl5.10.1 or greater and i seem to have a greater version, which is why i dont understand why it is complaining about dep. |
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| 17:12.54 | Bushmills | well, the joys of testing |
| 17:13.04 | simonlnu | check the deps carefully. it could be "= libperl5.10" |
| 17:13.22 | simonlnu | and not >= |
| 17:13.39 | webad_13 | is there a way (in CLI) to have with a list of files also programs associated to it - something like ls with also the colum with default program |
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| 17:14.00 | coagen | webad_13: lsof |
| 17:14.02 | simonlnu | webad_13: EPARSE |
| 17:14.08 | houms | shows this under showpkg |
| 17:14.08 | Gijs | Hello people, i got a question, how do i change my keyboard settings on my server, since if i type the: - now i get / |
| 17:14.09 | houms | libperl5.10 (2 5.10.1) |
| 17:14.11 | simonlnu | ooh |
| 17:14.42 | jaggz | webad_13?? |
| 17:14.48 | Bushmills | Gijs: through ssh? |
| 17:14.53 | ansgar | houms: wheezy has 2.8.8-3+b1 which depends on libperl5.12 |
| 17:14.53 | Gijs | Yes |
| 17:15.02 | jaggz | like, editor runs .txt? |
| 17:15.06 | Bushmills | Gijs: you're running ubuntu? |
| 17:15.12 | Gijs | No, Debian 5.0 |
| 17:15.36 | Gijs | I mean 6.0 |
| 17:15.47 | Bushmills | Gijs: what does grep SendEnv /etc/ssh/ssh_conf show? |
| 17:15.48 | houms | maybe i am confused here is what showpkg shows. |
| 17:15.50 | houms | http://paste.debian.net/117285/ |
| 17:16.05 | houms | looks like the right xchat version and libperl5.12 is installed so WTF? |
| 17:16.21 | ansgar | houms: *cough* That is not Debian... |
| 17:16.30 | webad_13 | jaggz: for example I have many different files but they all have .tmp . In gnome I can see icon for video files and I know it is a video, it doesn't matter that it has .tmp obviously |
| 17:16.30 | simonlnu | ,info xchat |
| 17:16.34 | judd | Package xchat (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. Version: 2.8.8-3; Size: 309.6k; Installed: 832k; Homepage: http://www.xchat.org/ |
| 17:16.48 | simonlnu | ,info xchat --release wheezy |
| 17:16.49 | webad_13 | jaggz: now I would like to be able to have sort of same reference in CLI |
| 17:16.49 | judd | Package xchat (net, optional) in wheezy/i386: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. Version: 2.8.8-3+b1; Size: 349.2k; Installed: 916k; Homepage: http://www.xchat.org/ |
| 17:16.54 | houms | oh snap |
| 17:17.06 | mete | how can I say to a debian, that it re-detect my HW? |
| 17:17.08 | netSys | simonlnu, But you can export variable specific "what's perl version you want use to compile?" |
| 17:17.25 | jaggz | gnome must look at the file.. like "type filename.tmp" |
| 17:17.34 | simonlnu | netSys: uh, no |
| 17:17.35 | jaggz | type examines the file |
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| 17:17.50 | simonlnu | netSys: this is *Debian* |
| 17:18.04 | jaggz | i don't know what eparse is |
| 17:18.04 | netSys | simonlnu, only ask you! |
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| 17:18.41 | peterS | mete: depends on the hardware. do you have a more specific question or problem? |
| 17:18.43 | Gijs | grep: /etc/ssh/ssh_conf: No such file or directory |
| 17:18.54 | peterS | (there is no simple 're-detect all hardware' function) |
| 17:18.55 | simonlnu | ssh_config, sshd_config |
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| 17:19.21 | Gijs | both dont exists |
| 17:19.28 | simonlnu | /etc/ssh |
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| 17:19.35 | netSys | Gijs, Are you superuser? |
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| 17:19.53 | mete | peterS: I've copied a VM from one host to another, and now the network adapter isn't anymore available under eth0... the linux should have all driver it needs, because it has workd |
| 17:19.56 | simonlnu | do you even have ssh installed? |
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| 17:20.14 | Gijs | Yes, i'm connecting to it via VirtualBox |
| 17:20.27 | peterS | mete: ahh. probably you just need to delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 17:20.43 | mete | the hole file peterS? |
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| 17:20.44 | peterS | mete: that file caches the network chip MAC addresses and "reserves" each "ethN" |
| 17:20.44 | stew | mete: is it eth1 (or some other name) instead |
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| 17:20.50 | simonlnu | l /etc/ssh > ssh_config sshd_config |
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| 17:20.56 | peterS | mete: yes, that file is auto-generated, you can just delete it if you want |
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| 17:21.03 | mete | stew: it isn't available under another name :( |
| 17:21.12 | mete | ok I try this, one moment peterS |
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| 17:21.24 | peterS | mete: if the new NIC is not detected at all, there could be other problems. but start with that. |
| 17:21.30 | peterS | and, you know, reboot to see what happens |
| 17:21.42 | mete | jep |
| 17:21.56 | mete | sys is rebooting |
| 17:22.08 | Gijs | Oke then how do i install ssh? i installed sshd |
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| 17:22.16 | Gijs | but i cant connect to it via ssh |
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| 17:22.27 | simonlnu | aptitude install ssh |
| 17:22.31 | mete | you're my man peterS :) |
| 17:22.37 | Gijs | i did |
| 17:22.38 | peterS | that worked, then? good! |
| 17:22.55 | Gijs | But i cant connect to the server |
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| 17:22.58 | mete | that was easy... and I search for 1-2 hours on the forums ;) yep, it worked peterS :) |
| 17:22.59 | netSys | Is ssh not installed default? :/ |
| 17:23.10 | DammitJim | I thought ssh was installed by default |
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| 17:23.24 | simonlnu | ,info ssh |
| 17:23.25 | judd | Package ssh (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: secure shell client and server (metapackage). Version: 1:5.5p1-6; Size: 1.2k; Installed: 40k; Homepage: http://www.openssh.org/ |
| 17:23.33 | netSys | O_o |
| 17:23.34 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: I think the client may be, but the server isn't. |
| 17:23.36 | simonlnu | extra, so no |
| 17:23.38 | peterS | ,info openssh-client |
| 17:23.41 | judd | Package openssh-client (net, standard) in squeeze/i386: secure shell (SSH) client, for secure access to remote machines. Version: 1:5.5p1-6; Size: 860.8k; Installed: 2092k; Homepage: http://www.openssh.org/ |
| 17:23.48 | simonlnu | client, yes |
| 17:23.48 | peterS | "standard". installed by default. |
| 17:23.54 | Bushmills | ssh: Priority: extra |
| 17:24.03 | Gijs | Well i still cant connect to it |
| 17:24.06 | peterS | 'ssh' is merely a metapackage to pull in both openssh-client and openssh-server |
| 17:24.08 | simonlnu | ,info openssh-server |
| 17:24.09 | judd | Package openssh-server (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote machines. Version: 1:5.5p1-6; Size: 291.3k; Installed: 768k; Homepage: http://www.openssh.org/ |
| 17:24.15 | simonlnu | optional |
| 17:24.50 | Furai` | Omnomnomnomnom. |
| 17:24.52 | tekzilla | lol how about a simple "no its not" |
| 17:24.58 | netSys | see you soon! |
| 17:24.58 | simonlnu | so by default you'd have an ssh_config, but not sshd_config unless you installed the server |
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| 17:25.13 | netSys | is away: afk |
| 17:25.14 | Gijs | well i need to install the server lol |
| 17:25.40 | Bushmills | no server, no joy |
| 17:26.02 | stew | netSys: please turn that off in here |
| 17:26.04 | Gijs | ahh got it now |
| 17:26.18 | Gijs | i got ssh_config |
| 17:26.20 | Gijs | what now? |
| 17:26.25 | DammitJim | jhutchins_lt, yeah, I was refering to ssh... sshd or openssh-server has to be installed manually or select SSH Server during the install |
| 17:26.45 | netSys | is back (gone 00:01:32) |
| 17:26.54 | stew | netSys: and that |
| 17:27.30 | CarlFK | http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/i386/ has lenny and squeeze - anyone know of something like this for sid? |
| 17:27.38 | peterS | netSys: in a channel of 1200 people, nobody cares very much if you're gone for 90 seconds. or 90 hours. so yeah, please turn off your auto-"/me is away" reporting. |
| 17:28.09 | stew | (and on a 1200 person channel, if everyone did that twice a day, we'd get those messages every 20 seconds) |
| 17:28.11 | Gijs | i can't connect with ssh to localhosty |
| 17:28.13 | Gijs | host* |
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| 17:28.38 | netSys | Is ssh not installed default? :/ |
| 17:28.52 | Gijs | it is now and sshd is running |
| 17:28.55 | netSys | quiet! go this is worse than the invention of al-Qaeda. It's ok np |
| 17:28.56 | DammitJim | lol @ netSys ... that's what I asked earlier |
| 17:28.59 | stew | netSys: it is not installed by default |
| 17:29.15 | DammitJim | netSys, I think they mean ssh server |
| 17:29.33 | Bushmills | CarlFK: you can debootstrap a sid to a sid, and convert it to a qcow image |
| 17:29.41 | Bushmills | just, "a sid" |
| 17:29.43 | while | anybody here has any experience in installing debian on a alienware m15x ? |
| 17:29.46 | peterS | the server is not installed by default. the idea is that you should _know_ whether you want a login server open to the wide internets, not just get one installed automatically |
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| 17:30.15 | DammitJim | while, what's so speacial about the m15x? newer hardware or something? |
| 17:30.49 | CarlFK | Bushmills: I kinda want one created by a trusted source and hosted - it is for someone to debug a crash on, so don't want to add the "carl's magic foo" unknown to the mix |
| 17:30.50 | twobitsprite | welp.. I think I totally broke my ldap packages |
| 17:31.25 | Bushmills | CarlFK: a debootstrapped installation comes from trusted sources |
| 17:31.33 | thewanderer1 | what's a _working_ video editor that lets me take a .VOB file, cut it, join the cuts and put back together as some usual video format? |
| 17:31.34 | twobitsprite | for some reason the slapd package doesn't actually clear it's config when you purge it... and if you try to manually kill the config directory and reinstall it complains about missing files........ |
| 17:31.46 | Bushmills | though it is rather minimal, without you adding more stuff |
| 17:31.58 | CarlFK | Bushmills: don't you need a di preseed file? |
| 17:32.25 | Bushmills | nope. it's a while ago that i bootstrapped a kvm image that way, but i started from debootstrap |
| 17:32.33 | Bushmills | process was rather straightforward |
| 17:32.48 | while | DammitJim, yes every linux distro makes my fans be very loud .I`ve notived in ubuntu that by installing the graphic driver from the restricted drivers (Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series) makes the fan go to normal . So no i ask ... how can i find out what is there needed to be installed on debian so that my fans would work as in ubuntu . I have searched numerous strings on google and din`t find some sort of support . thank you |
| 17:32.53 | peterS | if you really just need a sid image, I'd take a lenny or squeeze image, edit sources.list, and upgrade it |
| 17:33.28 | jaggz | I've heard windows is actually more cpu/power friendly than linux.. :( |
| 17:33.40 | DammitJim | while, I'd say, check if there is a Radeon driver you can use |
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| 17:34.06 | CarlFK | I have used debootstrap about 2 years ago. can you spoon feed me a script to do it? |
| 17:34.09 | jhutchins_lt | jaggz: Not inherently, but some motherboards give windows an advantage with proprietary power management software. |
| 17:34.15 | DammitJim | this is not the "right" way of doing it by any means, but if I were you, I would just install Debian to see how it behaves... it might get the right drivers right off the bat |
| 17:34.30 | Bushmills | CarlFK: man page show examples |
| 17:34.49 | DammitJim | jhutchins_lt, jaggz that's true.. my Dell Precision has problems with controlling the CPUs from Linux |
| 17:34.50 | jhutchins_lt | !tell while about radeon |
| 17:34.50 | thewanderer1 | jaggz: drivers use undocumented features on Windows, so in many cases you get better power savings... on the other hand, Debian boots 3x faster than Windows 7 on my laptop :P |
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| 17:34.59 | while | DammitJim, yes there is a radeon driver on their website but after i install it and reboot my screen fails to start at the startx .I think i need to modify the xorg file but have no skills in doing so . what do you think i need to do ? |
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| 17:35.28 | DammitJim | so, you already installed debian? what version? |
| 17:35.51 | jhutchins_lt | while: Please see the message from dpkg and /msg dpkg <factoid> for further information. |
| 17:35.54 | while | last version ... but i`m not actually on it right now |
| 17:36.11 | CarlFK | "Full process to create a complete Debian installation of sid " sweet. |
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| 17:36.49 | Bushmills | don't forget to install a kernel and grub, that's not part of debootstrap |
| 17:36.56 | DammitJim | while, what version is the last version? there are many different versions of Debian |
| 17:36.59 | jhutchins_lt | http://rhonda.deb.at/blog/2010/12/20#5-reasons-why-unstable-is-not-for-everyone |
| 17:37.11 | DammitJim | loves unstable |
| 17:37.21 | DammitJim | it helps me get all my anger out at it |
| 17:37.24 | peterS | Bushmills: it's details like those that make me think if you can start with a working image and then just upgrade it to sid, that's generally easier |
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| 17:38.01 | stew | and all the config files not yet mentioned that need to be set by hand... |
| 17:38.23 | Bushmills | whatever one feels more comfortable with. for a VM, i preferred to start with a bare system |
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| 17:39.18 | DammitJim | ugh, this is ridiculous... I hate the fact that I have to use a VM for XP so that I can work on PowerPoint slides |
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| 17:40.00 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: hm, you can use CrossOver Office (commercial) or just LibreOffice... |
| 17:40.29 | DammitJim | thewanderer1, is LibreOffice better than OO? |
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| 17:40.43 | DammitJim | thanks for the suggestion, btw |
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| 17:40.57 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: it at least loads a bit faster and looks better... :P |
| 17:40.58 | peterS | DammitJim: it _is_ OO, renamed to avoid Sun/Oracle control |
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| 17:41.21 | thewanderer1 | yeah, there were some code changes between last OO.o and LibreOffice in Wheezy, too |
| 17:41.48 | peterS | Sun/Oracle showed no signs of letting OO go anywhere or paying any attention to the community, so the community decided to take its marbles and go to LibreOffice |
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| 17:42.07 | DammitJim | holy crap! that's what Open Source is all about ;) |
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| 17:42.12 | DammitJim | It can't be stopped, dude! |
| 17:42.21 | DammitJim | so, libreoffice is in the wheezy repos? |
| 17:42.27 | peterS | they also seem to have happened upon the one and only possible name that was _more_ awkward than "OpenOffice.Org". |
| 17:42.42 | stew | is it? |
| 17:42.44 | DammitJim | sounds french... Libre LOL |
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| 17:43.25 | peterS | to me it sounds awkward even in French. (not a native speaker, though) |
| 17:44.56 | CarlFK | E: debootstrap can only run as root - I thought it just stuffed files into a dir? |
| 17:45.14 | MrFrood | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gratis_versus_libre |
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| 17:46.04 | DammitJim | yeah, I'm glad in other languages the word free has different words for no cost vs freedom |
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| 17:46.44 | peterS | yes, MrFrood, we know about that. we are in #debian, after all |
| 17:47.27 | simonlnu | libre rolls off the tongue like a square rock |
| 17:48.05 | DammitJim | at least it's not librrrrrrrrrrrrre |
| 17:48.07 | MrFrood | peterS: not enough as some seem to think that libre is not an english word :-| |
| 17:48.08 | DammitJim | I'm installing it now |
| 17:48.08 | ompaul | libre vs costless, I tried to file a bug against the English language, it was rejected |
| 17:48.10 | peterS | how do you pronounce LibreOffice in English, anyway? do you say Libre as the French word with like 1.5 syllables, then move on to Office as an English word? or what? |
| 17:48.23 | peterS | MrFrood: I don't think libre is an English word |
| 17:48.44 | MrFrood | peterS: point proven |
| 17:49.01 | ompaul | MrFrood: what that english is broken |
| 17:49.10 | ompaul | and why is this here not in -ot |
| 17:49.22 | peterS | MrFrood: proven by what? dictionary.com? it would agree with me. |
| 17:49.27 | MrFrood | "ibre (pronounced /??li??br??/) in English is adopted from the various Romance languages, ultimately descending from the Latin word l??bere" |
| 17:50.01 | ompaul | lee bra Office |
| 17:50.17 | MrFrood | it is a word that is part of the English language |
| 17:50.17 | simonlnu | DammitJim: it is 'libre' (well, i say it in french usually, combined with 'office', it sounds funny, a bit) |
| 17:50.35 | peterS | MrFrood: according to whom? pardon me but I don't consider you an expert |
| 17:50.35 | DammitJim | oh, I totally agree, simonlnu |
| 17:50.48 | DammitJim | dammit... I'm going to have to check the repos... the downloaded deb just crashed |
| 17:51.10 | DammitJim | MrFrood, please don't tell me your source iw wikipedia |
| 17:51.21 | MrFrood | peterS: check a dictionary - like many english words it was adopted from latin |
| 17:51.30 | peterS | I don't think 'libre' is an English word any more than 'distro' is an English word. we know what they both mean, but they are not English words. |
| 17:51.37 | peterS | I did in fact check a dictionary |
| 17:51.42 | DammitJim | libre is a word in Spanish, too.. but not the word "office" |
| 17:51.44 | peterS | neither 'libre' nor 'distro' is in it |
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| 17:53.57 | Savis | chattr +u could some one give me a bit more insight on this..... it says it makes it recoverable even if its been deleted but i dont understand how to recover it. |
| 17:54.52 | peterS | Savis: did you read the 'BUGS AND LIMITATIONS' section of 'man chattr'? |
| 17:55.00 | coagen | does debian have anything similar to "ubuntutweak"? |
| 17:55.33 | Savis | is that still for ext4? |
| 17:55.37 | Savis | because i dont use ext2 or 3 |
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| 17:56.22 | peterS | dunno, my local copy of 'man chattr' is from October 2008, which predates ext4 |
| 17:56.57 | Savis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:57.29 | Savis | E2fsprogs version 1.41.12 May 2010 CHATTR(1) |
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| 17:57.32 | Savis | incase you are wondering. |
| 17:58.11 | peterS | Savis: my point is that the text saying "not honored by ext2 and ext3" predates the existence of ext4. thus, I don't take that text to imply that the feature is in fact implemented by _any_ filesystem |
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| 17:58.43 | Savis | intresting |
| 17:58.48 | Savis | it could be quite usefull |
| 17:59.35 | Savis | people talk all day long about zerioing out a file vs deleteing it but the fact remains is for my specific file store we use a modeling software now a user would have to be bat shit retarded to zero a file vs acidently deleteing it |
| 17:59.46 | Savis | so preventing a user from deleteing files IS usefull in my situation. |
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| 18:01.10 | Savis | in a nut shell its a company vault there are cad files / pictures / 3d models of all of our products and it is used by almost every department. |
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| 18:01.50 | Savis | doubt that makes sense /shrug |
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| 18:05.35 | thewanderer1 | guys, what's a program similar to Kdenlive, which does not, unlike Kdenlive, segfault? |
| 18:06.11 | DammitJim | thewanderer1, I was going to start using Kdenlive... what version of debian are you running? |
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| 18:06.38 | thewanderer1 | Frankendebian... a bit of Squeeze, Kdenlive is from Wheezy |
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| 18:07.38 | thewanderer1 | well, maybe the Squeeze one works "better" |
| 18:07.50 | DammitJim | ooops |
| 18:07.57 | DammitJim | don't say that out loud, thewanderer1 |
| 18:08.16 | ajikeshi__ | thewanderer1, lol |
| 18:08.26 | thewanderer1 | why? I'm taking it out with me for Zombie Walk in June... |
| 18:08.41 | ajikeshi__ | lol |
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| 18:12.02 | thewanderer1 | yeah well, silly me, the Wheezy's kdenlive was just feeling explosive today... |
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| 18:13.24 | DammitJim | thewanderer1, is Kdenlive pretty nice? |
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| 18:13.41 | simonlnu | ...when it doesn't segfault |
| 18:14.06 | Savis | http://lwn.net/Articles/211193/ |
| 18:14.11 | simonlnu | "the program went away" |
| 18:14.11 | Savis | does this make any sense to any one? |
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| 18:14.36 | simonlnu | what is that supposed to mean, anyway? it took a walk? |
| 18:14.42 | simonlnu | </ot> |
| 18:14.58 | thewanderer1 | simonlnu: PC LOAD LETTER :P |
| 18:15.06 | dvs | heh |
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| 18:15.11 | dvs | not on fire? |
| 18:15.20 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: I don't know yet, just playing with it - now I can only say Avidemux is really nice and robust. The pretty nice thing about Kdenlive is, it seems pretty featureful :P |
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| 18:15.42 | simonlnu | lp0 is on fire! |
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| 18:16.19 | DammitJim | fire fire |
| 18:16.26 | simonlnu | that just means it's needy |
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| 18:17.55 | dvs | wonder how lazy operators had to be to create such an error message |
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| 18:17.59 | DammitJim | this is odd |
| 18:18.15 | DammitJim | anyone using vbox? |
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| 18:19.16 | simonlnu | that one i suspect 'sense of humour' lazy |
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| 18:20.55 | CarlFK | debootstrap done. how do I make a bootable vm? (prefer qemu) |
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| 18:39.19 | Savis | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2006-11/msg06661.html |
| 18:39.24 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:39.28 | Savis | does this make ANY sense to anyone? |
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| 18:42.13 | Savis | i am compleatly lost here but http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2006-11/msg06661.html is the answer to my 2 week long search... |
| 18:42.14 | jhutchins_lt | Savis: No, because as long as you can write to a file you can effectively delete it. |
| 18:42.23 | Savis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.28 | Savis | i wish you would stop thinking like that. |
| 18:42.34 | Savis | i UNDERSTAND that |
| 18:42.47 | Savis | but there has to be a way to make this work i have seen enviroments like this |
| 18:42.51 | Savis | and there is a valid need for it |
| 18:43.14 | stew | Savis: are you running ext4? |
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| 18:43.26 | Savis | we can sit here and have a pissing contest about zeroning files = delete but like i said in some enviroments you would need to be bat shit stupid to straight up zero out a file vs acidently deleteing it |
| 18:43.31 | Savis | yes i stew i am useing ext4 |
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| 18:44.08 | pipeline | zeroing files is absolutely not in any way the same as deleting a file |
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| 18:44.23 | pipeline | under UNIX filesystem semantics a deleted file isn't different from any other file |
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| 18:44.33 | pipeline | you can still read and write deleted files |
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| 18:44.36 | pipeline | I think you can even chmod them |
| 18:44.50 | stew | Savis: and so you want to know how to apply this patch? or what are you after? |
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| 18:44.53 | oldtopman | pipeline: Not sure if I did, but thanks for the driver help |
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| 18:45.03 | Savis | yes stew that would be a help |
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| 18:45.20 | Savis | or any inf o that will alow me to have group A full access and group B be just read and write with no delete. |
| 18:45.27 | Savis | basicly we have this |
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| 18:45.39 | Savis | a folder that consists of a company vault... there is a group that "Manages" this vault... |
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| 18:45.48 | Savis | they can add delete do what ever |
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| 18:45.55 | Savis | then there is the rest of the company that "Uses" the vault |
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| 18:46.00 | Savis | to store product information |
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| 18:46.11 | Savis | we want them to be able to Add / Edit / but NO delete |
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| 18:46.38 | Savis | i understand that useing NTFS in windows this is simple how ever id o not have the spare license to do this atm |
| 18:46.44 | stew | Savis: you would just feed it into "patch -p1" when you are at the root of the kernel source. you should probably run patch with "--dry-run" first to see if it applies cleanly first |
| 18:46.53 | michlemken | hello |
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| 18:47.19 | zinx | Savis: sorry, *nix only lets them add, edit their own files, and not delete anyone else's files |
| 18:47.49 | stew | zinx: he's talking about using chattr +u |
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| 18:48.15 | zinx | stew: oh. i have no idea what that is. it sounded more like the sticky bit to me (+t on a dir) |
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| 18:48.42 | Savis | ok so like +t on a dir would work |
| 18:48.43 | stew | Savis: do your users need to be able to create files? |
| 18:48.52 | Savis | yes they need to be able to create files. |
| 18:49.01 | Savis | they need to be able to do every thing but delete |
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| 18:49.24 | stew | perhaps +t with a default acl to force them to give away ownership? |
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| 18:49.41 | thewanderer1 | stew: ACL can't force ownership change AFAIK... |
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| 18:50.07 | Savis | as an example? |
| 18:50.10 | thewanderer1 | Savis: why don't you give every group their own directory so that they do not interfere? |
| 18:50.13 | tralalaptop | how do I tell w3m to open xml files instead of trying to save them? |
| 18:50.23 | Savis | because its not that kind of directory |
| 18:50.29 | Savis | it is a company wide directory for our products |
| 18:50.35 | Savis | example |
| 18:50.46 | Savis | Vault/ProductSubNumber/ProductNumber/ |
| 18:50.52 | Savis | vault is of corse the root |
| 18:51.08 | Savis | so a live example would be /Vault/10/1003/ |
| 18:51.24 | Savis | and inside the 1003 folder there would be 3dmodles of our products documents things like that. |
| 18:51.30 | zinx | Savis: having a directory with permissions 01777 (ugo+rwx,+t) has the following characteristics: 1) anyone can create a file that doesn't exist. 2) anyone with file-level permissions can edit files they have permission to edit (usually this defaults to only the user), 3) only the user who owns the file (or someone who's in the directory's owner/group) can delete it |
| 18:51.35 | Savis | it is used for the whole company. |
| 18:51.52 | stew | thewanderer1: yeah, you are right |
| 18:52.25 | stew | zinx: he doesn't want users to be able to remove files though |
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| 18:52.37 | Savis | correct |
| 18:52.44 | zinx | stew: well, then ACLs on the directory |
| 18:52.46 | zinx | but |
| 18:52.50 | zinx | if you let users edit the file but not delete them |
| 18:52.53 | zinx | that's fucking retarded :/ |
| 18:52.58 | thewanderer1 | even the owner should not be able to remove a file? O.o |
| 18:53.06 | zinx | (sorry for language, but it's accurate) |
| 18:53.20 | zinx | if you can edit the file, you can just make it 0 bytes. |
| 18:53.25 | Savis | well i understand the whole edit = delete menality trust me i do i understand that how ever..... |
| 18:53.27 | Savis | like i said... |
| 18:53.35 | zinx | which is, effectively, deleting it. *PLUS* editing files actually requires deleting them in many cases. |
| 18:53.37 | Savis | In our enviroment zeroing out a file is next to imposible. |
| 18:53.40 | Savis | how ever |
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| 18:53.48 | Savis | acidently hitting the DEL key isnt. |
| 18:53.48 | stew | zinx: please don't make him explain this for like a 5th time |
| 18:53.49 | smallchange | what if he set's the sticky bit and has a cron script change the owner regularly? |
| 18:53.51 | stew | zinx: just ignore him |
| 18:53.54 | zinx | (safe editing does - because to change the file, you create a new one, unlink the old one, then rename the new one) |
| 18:54.05 | simonlnu | fcntl, fsync, o_sync and other things |
| 18:54.09 | Savis | id be down with that smallchange |
| 18:54.15 | Savis | i think that could work |
| 18:54.53 | Savis | have it set to run every 10 minutes or w/e |
| 18:54.59 | simonlnu | that's an option in vim, or used to, how to save files |
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| 18:55.18 | Savis | but then again thats like 1 tb of data we are talking about in the vault lmao |
| 18:55.47 | thewanderer1 | Savis: so use inotify-based cron instead of chowning all the files |
| 18:55.52 | pzn | I have a notebook with a keyboard problem (always pressed). what should I put in "setkeycodes code xxxx" to disable the key? what should I put in xxxx? |
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| 18:56.27 | thewanderer1 | Savis: see incron... you could use fsnotify alternatively, provided that you can find/write userspace tools for it - saves lots of processing |
| 18:56.33 | simonlnu | exchange it for a non-defective unit |
| 18:56.47 | Savis | hrmm |
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| 18:57.34 | thewanderer1 | default ACL with that is a must, too - at least make the dirs inherit the sticky bit |
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| 18:57.38 | Savis | could i trouble you to look at a page |
| 18:57.38 | Savis | http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/04/17/a-shared-drop-box-using-samba/ |
| 18:57.43 | Savis | this is like 99% of what i need |
| 18:57.56 | Savis | the only thing i need to change to it is make it so an admin group can delete the files |
| 18:57.59 | Savis | not just a single user. |
| 18:58.53 | smallchange | use sudo |
| 18:59.04 | simonlnu | ... |
| 18:59.14 | Savis | there is no sudo in windows explorer.... |
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| 19:00.07 | smallchange | fire the people who use WE? |
| 19:00.22 | Savis | nice attempt at humor :) |
| 19:00.24 | thewanderer1 | Savis: this is almost the equivalent of the fsnotify solution :P |
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| 19:01.00 | Savis | let me do some reading about the fsnotify I might have some questions about that bbl |
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| 19:05.40 | smallchange | Savis if you give the admin group the password for the user that owns the files after the change they could mount with that username for delete purposes |
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| 19:06.10 | stew | ew |
| 19:06.33 | Savis | thats a good iead actuley smallchange |
| 19:06.40 | Savis | err idea |
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| 19:06.41 | stew | its a horrible idea |
| 19:06.46 | Savis | not exactly |
| 19:06.50 | Savis | i could even script it in vb |
| 19:06.53 | ultrav1olet | what package in debian contains usleep utility? |
| 19:07.03 | Savis | have it mount a seprate drive for that purpose only |
| 19:07.06 | ultrav1olet | I need some utility to sleep for microseconds |
| 19:07.09 | Savis | useing a special user name and password |
| 19:07.18 | wols_ | ultrav1olet: that cannot work |
| 19:07.19 | Savis | im not all that conserned about security with the managemnet team. |
| 19:07.23 | Savis | infact |
| 19:07.32 | Savis | i could just map thier normal default share using that username and password |
| 19:07.46 | smallchange | personally, I tend to agree with stew, but it should work |
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| 19:08.02 | Savis | well yea but you guys have to understand my users are not totaly stupid ass |
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| 19:08.11 | Savis | i know we all deal with the idiots from time to time. |
| 19:08.24 | Savis | but just preventing the global company from acidently deleting files is usefull |
| 19:08.30 | Savis | i do run backups its not a matter of that lol |
| 19:08.42 | stew | i'm also used to managing machines that handle credit card data, where that would never be allowed :) |
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| 19:09.01 | Savis | correct i agree when you have secure sinsitive information like that |
| 19:09.05 | Savis | but this is not that way |
| 19:09.19 | Savis | its a global directory for our company that just stores product info |
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| 19:09.34 | nkuttler | stew: hrm, doesn't that make you an accomplice of the companies that do this? |
| 19:09.48 | stew | nkuttler: huh? that do what? |
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| 19:10.00 | dvs | thinks it's a revision control issue |
| 19:10.12 | nkuttler | stew: i thought you said you mange servers that deal with credit card data |
| 19:10.30 | stew | nkuttler: i do |
| 19:10.39 | stew | nkuttler: i guess i just didn't understand your question |
| 19:10.41 | nkuttler | and i heard the laws at least in the US are very strict, and it must be in-house |
| 19:11.01 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: that's not correct |
| 19:11.04 | Savis | well technicly i manage servers with CC data too but thats secured by sql and a server / client software that only allows access with the encrypted key so /shrug |
| 19:11.13 | nkuttler | never mind, i just see you're not from there anyway |
| 19:11.26 | stew | nkuttler: i am from there, and I'm not aware of any such laws |
| 19:11.41 | nkuttler | anyway :) |
| 19:11.46 | Savis | there are quite a few compliance laws in the US |
| 19:11.49 | stew | nkuttler: and this stuff is typically not dictated by the goverment, but by credit card companies |
| 19:12.01 | Savis | we audit every 3 months here. |
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| 19:12.31 | Savis | technicly its not law |
| 19:12.42 | Savis | it is put in action by the visa / mc amx companies. |
| 19:13.20 | tweek_ | http://paste.debian.net/plain/117296 what could be the problem here? |
| 19:13.38 | tweek_ | the error message gets me nowhere |
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| 19:14.49 | nkuttler | !tell tweek_ about ipw2200 |
| 19:14.50 | peterS | Savis: I love one of the companies used to certify that - securitymetrics - their scan thinks for example lenny's version of lighttpd is vulnerable to a pile of stuff just because of what version it reports in the http response |
| 19:15.04 | nkuttler | tweek_: it looks like you're trying to build the driver manually, which shouldn't be necessary |
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| 19:15.54 | tweek_ | nkuttler: i know. this is the ipw2200-ap version, which should allow the card to operate in master mode (ap = access point) |
| 19:16.14 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:16.42 | tekzilla | i have linked a new script to /etc/rcS.d but its not being executed, what can go wrong ? |
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| 19:17.03 | peterS | tekzilla: what name did you give it in /etc/rcS.d? it matters |
| 19:17.20 | tekzilla | peterS: S10mountclient.sh |
| 19:17.30 | tweek_ | nkuttler: that one i have to compile, right? |
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| 19:17.57 | nkuttler | tweek_: no idea. haven't used wireless stuff in years |
| 19:17.59 | peterS | tekzilla: and it has execute permission in the filesystem? (the real script, not the symlink) |
| 19:18.09 | tekzilla | yes |
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| 19:18.58 | Bauer | How do I reload the php.ini on linux, while working with PHP CLI in shell? (not via apache2) |
| 19:19.03 | tweek_ | so is the makefile wrong or what? somehow i can't believe that |
| 19:19.19 | peterS | Bauer: the php CLI shouldn't need to "reload" anything. it should just read php.ini on every execution |
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| 19:20.43 | tweek_ | tekzilla: shouldn't you use insserv to add the links in /etc/rc* ? |
| 19:20.52 | nsadmin | Bauer: doesn t the cli load the ini when it starts? |
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| 19:21.44 | nsadmin | if that's the case, then you exit the php cli and start it again |
| 19:22.18 | chegibari | what's the kernel of debian 6.0.1? 2.6? |
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| 19:22.55 | tweek_ | chegibari: 2.6.32-5 to be precise |
| 19:22.56 | nsadmin | chegibari, .32 with .38 in backports |
| 19:23.02 | chegibari | thanks! |
| 19:23.05 | tekzilla | tweek_: i propbably should, thanks for the hint |
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| 19:23.14 | chegibari | VMWare wants to know it |
| 19:23.24 | nsadmin | chegibari, /msg judd kernels |
| 19:23.48 | chegibari | I'll try to re-install it as "Other linux with 2.6.x kernel" since there is no "Debian 6" entry |
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| 19:24.40 | chegibari | nsadmin: you got plenty of bots in this channel :) |
| 19:24.52 | chegibari | never saw so many |
| 19:24.54 | nsadmin | !bot |
| 19:24.55 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:25.07 | tweek_ | are they all the same? |
| 19:25.10 | tweek_ | the bots i mean |
| 19:25.12 | nsadmin | no |
| 19:26.16 | nsadmin | we;re all bots on this bus |
| 19:26.43 | Bauer | nsadmin: I would guess it does, but not working for me on that machine... |
| 19:27.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps which number is the ntfs partition in cfdisk? |
| 19:27.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | 9? |
| 19:27.17 | nsadmin | baier, so it's not reloading when you exit and restart?? |
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| 19:27.28 | Bauer | nsadmin: I installed pecl install pdo , and it said to add extention pso.so to php.ini, I did it in cli's php.ini, but not working |
| 19:27.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | 7? |
| 19:28.08 | nsadmin | Eryn_1983_FL, mine is... |
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| 19:28.41 | tekzilla | tweek_: big thanks, insserv did it |
| 19:28.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 19:28.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | hpfs/ntfs? |
| 19:28.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | just makin sure |
| 19:29.01 | nsadmin | you mean 7 |
| 19:29.06 | nsadmin | that's what mine says |
| 19:29.28 | nsadmin | in fdisk you can print the list of known types |
| 19:29.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 19:31.24 | nsadmin | the only way I found to do that hs tell it you want to set the partition type, it will ask for the partition number and then the type you want |
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| 19:31.42 | nsadmin | in that prompt it offers to print the list |
| 19:31.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 19:33.09 | nsadmin | Bauer, so you exited the cli and/or ran another (possibly in a separate terminal) and the changes didn't take? |
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| 19:33.58 | Bauer | nsadmin: I simply run: php example.php each time, it should reload the php.ini |
| 19:34.25 | nsadmin | hmm. |
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| 19:37.35 | nsadmin | Bauer, I wonder where php thinks the .ini should go... conversely, can php take a parameter which specifies the one you want it to read |
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| 19:40.04 | q_a_z_steve_ | Is someone willing to answer a couple proxy questions? General setup and understanding-the-purpose stuff. |
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| 19:40.28 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 19:40.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:41.37 | nsadmin | q_a_z_steve_: take each question in and of itself, and just ask each one |
| 19:41.55 | Bauer | nsadmin: do you knowwhich parameter? I can try that |
| 19:42.12 | Bauer | nsadmin: but now upon any execution, it says: PHP Warning: Module 'PDO' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
| 19:42.49 | q_a_z_steve_ | I guess I can do that, but I didn't want my stupid questions to be mocked, and I'm looking for someone to walk me through quite a few "caveats" or objections to the process. |
| 19:42.52 | ompaul | q_a_z_steve_: people don't know if they know what you want to know until you say what you want to know |
| 19:43.12 | stew | Bauer: does it also exist in /etc/php5/conf.d/pdo.ini? |
| 19:43.13 | ompaul | q_a_z_steve_: and that is how IRC works |
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| 19:43.26 | stew | Bauer: (in addition to your adding it to /etc/php5/cli/php.ini) |
| 19:43.26 | ompaul | (Or not) |
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| 19:44.28 | q_a_z_steve_ | ompaul: Let's call the above a preface to the stupidity and mocking which is probably to follow... |
| 19:44.30 | nsadmin | Bauer, stew has more specifics than I, I would have helped in your process of discovering |
| 19:44.57 | ompaul | q_a_z_steve_: you don't know until you ask |
| 19:45.08 | ompaul | q_a_z_steve_: we all started somewhere |
| 19:45.09 | stew | Bauer: /etc/php5/conf.d/pdo.ini is actually provided by the php5-common package. is there some reason you were trying to get a version from pecl? |
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| 19:45.31 | Bauer | stew: yes it does, I get the Warning I pased on any php file, but if I try to use it (uncomment the include for pdo class file), I ALSO get fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message 'PDO error: can't connect to database. could not find driver' |
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| 19:45.58 | q_a_z_steve_ | My first question is mostly as to purpose - I want to block internet unless traffic is filtered for content. How is this accomplished? How easy is it to circumvent? |
| 19:46.00 | Bauer | stew only because I found that suggestion by googling... because pdo drive not working |
| 19:46.06 | stew | Bauer: what kind of database are you trying to connect to? sqlite? mysql? something else? |
| 19:46.14 | Bauer | stew: postgres |
| 19:46.21 | stew | Bauer: is php5-pgsql installed? |
| 19:46.26 | nsadmin | Bauer, are you also trying to connect to the db in the .ini? |
| 19:46.38 | Bauer | nsadmin: no |
| 19:46.38 | stew | is that possible/ |
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| 19:47.08 | nsadmin | oh wait, he is calling php with a file each time... the open must be there |
| 19:47.47 | nsadmin | stew, dunno |
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| 19:47.54 | Bauer | lo stew, I didnt have it installed... lol new error :) PHP Fatal error: PDO: driver pgsql requires PDO API version 20060511; this is PDO version 20060409 |
| 19:48.18 | thewanderer1 | how do I embed a movie in an Impress presentation? right now, it's loaded from the local FS. it's going to be played on Windows, where /home/thewanderer makes no sense :( |
| 19:48.19 | stew | Bauer: so now figure out how to undo the pecl install thing you did |
| 19:49.24 | do0ob | What burnin test can i use for the CPU? |
| 19:49.28 | do0ob | i need to test its stable |
| 19:49.29 | stew | judd: provides php5-cli |
| 19:49.30 | judd | Package php5-cli in squeeze/i386 provides: phpapi-20090626+lfs. |
| 19:49.31 | do0ob | ram has been tested already |
| 19:49.50 | do0ob | I unlocked the hidden cores of the Amd and i need to test them, prime 95 isn't in the repos |
| 19:50.12 | nsadmin | do0ob: you mean you did burnin on the ram? |
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| 19:50.30 | ompaul | q_a_z_steve_: that is not a good place to start from, you are asking three things there. 1) can you force all traffic though a proxy yes, 2) filtered for content, you can filter how good will you be that is a question depending on the answer 3) can you be circumvented - I can get around proxies in a few ways - would I be bothered ... maybe, just how much effort are you going to put in here that is the real question |
| 19:50.36 | dvs | do0ob: if the cores are hidden then they probably failed some tests. |
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| 19:50.39 | do0ob | nsadmin: no i did memtest on the ram |
| 19:50.40 | thewanderer1 | do0ob: compile the kernel. |
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| 19:50.51 | thewanderer1 | use -j5 or so. |
| 19:51.06 | nsadmin | do0ob: for how long? to do burnin? |
| 19:51.07 | do0ob | thewanderer1: but thats long and doesn't verify anything |
| 19:51.07 | ompaul | q_a_z_steve_: your use case for a censoring link is your own business, however know this that trust and a lack of trust get repaid |
| 19:51.16 | do0ob | nsadmin: 2 complete test cycles |
| 19:51.45 | do0ob | 2 passes without errors |
| 19:51.53 | mrdeb | i am pretty happy with this debian setup i am using |
| 19:51.59 | mrdeb | using 68mb |
| 19:52.08 | thewanderer1 | do0ob: it should take you about 30 minutes, during which you can monitor the temperature, and if the compilation fails / system crashes, you know something is wrong... :P |
| 19:52.24 | nsadmin | well to the degree that was burnin-ing the ram, you also did the cpu (at minimum, it made the cpu generate heat) |
| 19:52.29 | JyZyXEL | how do you fix GPG errors for non-debian repos? |
| 19:52.31 | do0ob | thewanderer1: not good enough, doesn't push the cpu heard enough |
| 19:52.56 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL, that's local to the repo |
| 19:53.01 | raz | oh man... |
| 19:53.11 | raz | wouldn't it be nice to have backports of *all* packages? |
| 19:53.18 | JyZyXEL | so how do you fix the errors? |
| 19:53.22 | raz | curses lenny |
| 19:53.25 | Bauer | I wishlol stew I removed it with pecl uninstall pdo, but now I get: PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613/pdo.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613/pdo.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:53.35 | Bushmills | cpuburn - a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU |
| 19:53.36 | stew | raz: what is the difference between backporting all packages from testing and just running testing? |
| 19:53.45 | nsadmin | raz, so upgrade to squeeze... |
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| 19:53.48 | stew | Bushmills: that doesn'tt do what he wants |
| 19:53.53 | do0ob | Bushmills: does it actually perform something and verify the results? |
| 19:53.55 | raz | stew: that i could, for example, cherrypick libmagickwand instead of jumping through three dozen hoops to get it |
| 19:53.59 | nsadmin | or not, I dunno what you want exactly |
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| 19:54.11 | stew | raz: no, you couldn't |
| 19:54.19 | raz | and no, i don't feel like doing an adhoc upgrade to squeeze on a prod server |
| 19:54.20 | mrdeb | if you install cpufrequtils to control frequency, do you need to check the powr control option in xfce4powermanagersettings or not or vice versa??? |
| 19:54.26 | raz | stew: sure i could, it works for most other backports no? |
| 19:54.38 | stew | raz: yeah, but if everything is backported... |
| 19:54.53 | Bauer | stew: how do I add the new pdo file now? |
| 19:54.53 | raz | stew: well, everything above libc |
| 19:55.11 | raz | or whatever half reasonable cutoff point |
| 19:55.15 | blinki | my copy of ntop seems to segfault a lot, when I start it again, it's got no data logged; any help? |
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| 19:55.25 | stew | Bauer: it should have already been there, it comes with php in debian |
| 19:55.51 | Bauer | stew: how to re-get it? perhaps pecl overwritten it |
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| 19:56.33 | stew | Bauer: it wouldn't have, since the directories are versioned, but you would run "aptitude reinstall php5-common" |
| 19:56.34 | nsadmin | Bauer, you might still have the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 19:56.53 | thewanderer1 | any hints how to embed a movie into Impress presentation? |
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| 20:00.03 | Bauer | thanks stew! that worked :) but i am still getting a warning: PHP Warning: Module 'PDO' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 20:00.30 | mrdeb | how do you replace alsa with oss to make the sound better |
| 20:00.34 | nsadmin | Bauer, maybe your .ini still has your changes |
| 20:00.38 | stew | Bauer: if you added it to php.ini, take it out |
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| 20:01.34 | ompaul | q_a_z_steve_: you seem to have abandoned your quest, have fun |
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| 20:03.55 | Bauer | thanks stew! so in debian, I dont really need to touch php.ini unlike in centos as I recall :) |
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| 20:04.04 | nsadmin | mrdeb, how do you know the sound would be better? |
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| 20:04.41 | q_a_z_steve_ | ompaul: sorry, just working on furthering knowledge in other channels as well. |
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| 20:05.36 | mrdeb | nsadmin: bec alsa is poor |
| 20:05.40 | mrdeb | i read its better |
| 20:05.59 | cahoot | don't trust anyone on the net |
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| 20:06.21 | ompaul | cahoot: particular when they have a nick called cahoot ;-) |
| 20:06.35 | cahoot | that too |
| 20:07.32 | do0ob | How long do i run CPUBurn For? |
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| 20:08.05 | stew | do0ob: cpuburn doesn't do what you want. it generates heat. its doing nothing in order to verify that your cpus are doing anything correctly |
| 20:08.12 | do0ob | I don't want heat |
| 20:08.16 | do0ob | i want it tested |
| 20:08.24 | do0ob | stew: so was prime95 the correct app for it? |
| 20:08.34 | stew | do0ob: i don't know |
| 20:08.58 | nsadmin | mrdeb, ahh, so you're thinking it might be better based on what you've read and you want to try it |
| 20:09.35 | nsadmin | ,versions oss4 |
| 20:09.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'oss4' was found in i386. |
| 20:09.51 | mrdeb | nsadmin: yes,because i have hissing on my laptop with debian 6 when the headphones are plugged in, which should not happen and i do not know how to fix it |
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| 20:11.48 | nsadmin | ,versions oss4-base |
| 20:11.49 | judd | Package oss4-base on i386 -- squeeze: 4.2-build2003-1; sid: 4.2-build2003-1.1; wheezy: 4.2-build2003-1.1 |
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| 20:12.18 | nsadmin | mrdeb, apt-cache search oss4 |
| 20:12.24 | nsadmin | see what's there |
| 20:12.57 | Darwish | What's the fastest way to get a shell so to chroot into an existing debian install ? |
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| 20:13.30 | mrdeb | nsadmin: couple things |
| 20:13.36 | nsadmin | run chroot /place/where/existing/deb/is/mounted |
| 20:13.53 | Darwish | i mean when booting from the empty void of space from nothing |
| 20:14.09 | mrdeb | what |
| 20:14.20 | Darwish | because the debian install cd goes to all the process of menu and installation |
| 20:14.24 | nsadmin | Darwish so you don't actually want to chroot |
| 20:14.35 | nsadmin | say more about what you do want |
| 20:14.37 | Darwish | yes I do, but the debian installer isn't a livecd you see |
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| 20:15.00 | Bushmills | use a live cd? |
| 20:15.12 | Darwish | gentoo :* |
| 20:15.23 | Darwish | What I would really want is to get this raid0+ext4 configuration up |
| 20:15.28 | mrdeb | does debian iso have a recovery mode |
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| 20:15.55 | nsadmin | mrdeb, at least the netinstalls do |
| 20:16.01 | raz | is there some standard debian-way to add the various env vars to the default environment so that /usr/local/* is considered in the build process? |
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| 20:16.04 | Darwish | mrdeb : a rescue mode, but still open boxes asking tons of question |
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| 20:16.40 | nsadmin | raz, the standard way is to add the things you want in each separate project |
| 20:16.41 | mrdeb | there should be a mode where you can easily reinstall grub ,common issue one, and also easily access hte existing intsallation files, with proper password. why has this not been implemented? |
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| 20:17.07 | raz | nsadmin: what a royal pain in the rear.. |
| 20:17.31 | raz | goes to collect all those LD_FOO paths manually |
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| 20:17.53 | nsadmin | raz, look at your projects... each one wants what it wants in order to build |
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| 20:18.17 | nsadmin | you can have a common file meant for a subset of your projects |
| 20:18.26 | raz | nsadmin: the point here is that if i install imagemagick to /usr/local, then i want that available globally, overriding whatever ancient version debian may have |
| 20:19.02 | Darwish | I don't find how create initramfs.img with dmraid support. any1? |
| 20:19.09 | nsadmin | raz: so as part of your build, imagemagick is run on one file to produce another? |
| 20:19.24 | raz | nsadmin: no, i have ruby gems depending on imagemagick |
| 20:19.47 | stew | raz: why woudn't you just backport it from squeeze? |
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| 20:20.00 | nsadmin | oh ok, and are you building ruby and rubygems as well as the gems themselves yourself? |
| 20:20.08 | raz | stew: i started the procedure that worked for me once but gave up after half an hour over obscure error messages |
| 20:20.11 | blinki | can anybody assist me in disabling eth0 from being logged in ntop? the init script demands that an interface be defined to start |
| 20:20.32 | stew | raz: what error messages? |
| 20:20.34 | raz | stew: if someone could make an idiot-proof wrapper script "backport foo from squeeze" then that would be helpful |
| 20:20.55 | stew | raz: "apt-get build-dep packagename ; apt-get -b source packagename" ? |
| 20:21.23 | raz | stew: with what combination of sources in the apt lists? |
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| 20:21.36 | stew | raz: deb for lenny, deb-src for squeeze |
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| 20:21.46 | raz | trying again |
| 20:21.59 | stew | raz: in this case, you'll probably have to backport on library first |
| 20:22.08 | nsadmin | stew, ruby doesn't have good grades in the debian package... when I was experimenting with ruby, I found that building ruby and rubygems myself always worked, and installing the packages always didn't (and it's been too long to remember exactly how) |
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| 20:22.21 | raz | ruby is in rvm here |
| 20:22.23 | raz | the debian ruby is a joke |
| 20:22.30 | stew | nsadmin: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:22.38 | nsadmin | were. |
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| 20:22.49 | stew | nsadmin: why are you telling me this? |
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| 20:24.52 | stew | raz: and do you really want to be doing this on lenny since squeeze is now the current release? |
| 20:25.18 | raz | i've done the squeeze upgrade on a couple hosts and it almost never went smooth |
| 20:25.22 | mrdeb | i would recommend you change to squeeze |
| 20:25.29 | mrdeb | clean install it |
| 20:25.31 | stew | raz: were you following the procedure in the release notes? |
| 20:25.35 | raz | and all of them still print stupid error messages on boot |
| 20:25.37 | raz | stew: yes |
| 20:25.47 | mrdeb | raz: do you ever htink of a clean install |
| 20:25.47 | raz | i'm not upgrading anymore lennies, i'll just let them die on their own |
| 20:25.48 | jhutchins_lt | When you've messed with system defaults to that extent upgrades just don't go smoothly. |
| 20:25.48 | stew | raz: what is an example of a stupid error message? |
| 20:25.58 | yagoo | stew: OOPS |
| 20:26.09 | stew | yagoo: ? |
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| 20:26.14 | raz | stew: i'd have to reboot my box here to see, stuff about networking and udev iirc |
| 20:26.36 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. |
| 20:26.40 | yagoo | thinks Nick Burns knows a stupid error message |
| 20:26.46 | yagoo | :p |
| 20:26.50 | jhutchins_lt | Linux is like a zombie. It wants BRAINS! |
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| 20:26.51 | nsadmin | because there seems to be a problem with ruby from debian and it's often too much of a hassle to determine what the problem in the packaging is, as opposed to just building it all myselr (my choice here involved whether I would spend the time debugging the packaging or getting ruby going and working) |
| 20:27.04 | ujjain | Hi, lately I keep getting these errors. |
| 20:27.06 | raz | jhutchins_lt: system defaults, eh right. my softraid1 boxes went unbootable after the grub2 "magic". |
| 20:27.07 | ujjain | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.13 | ujjain | while trying to install packages. |
| 20:27.14 | nsadmin | (to stew in answer to "why are you telloing me this") |
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| 20:28.51 | nsadmin | ujjain: why sendmail? |
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| 20:29.06 | stew | nsadmin: what problem are you having with ruby? |
| 20:29.07 | ujjain | nsadmin: I want a mta that does not require configuration |
| 20:29.28 | ujjain | simple safe, mta, I sent an e-mail, but nothing happened |
| 20:29.37 | stew | ujjain: show us the output of "apt-cache policy sendmail sendmail-bin" use a pastebin |
| 20:29.58 | ujjain | stew: I only just installed sendmail, so it might work now. |
| 20:29.59 | jhutchins_lt | An aptitude -f install might be in order. |
| 20:30.01 | nsadmin | stew: it's been several months... but mostly what I remember is rubygems can't get/install gems |
| 20:30.08 | Bushmills | "does not require configuration" and therefore sendmail ?? |
| 20:30.11 | stew | nsadmin: show me the acutal error message |
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| 20:30.40 | mrdeb | how do you delete messages from mail in debian |
| 20:30.52 | mrdeb | it gives an error about a nonzero value |
| 20:31.02 | nsadmin | I've since moreorless retired the machines/installations where I was playing with ruby |
| 20:31.27 | Bushmills | ujjain: sendmail is a configuration nightmare ... |
| 20:31.27 | stew | nsadmin: then how on earth are you hoping I might help you with ruby? |
| 20:31.48 | stew | nsadmin: or why on earth are you telling me random crap about problems you once had with ruby? |
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| 20:32.19 | ujjain | Bushmills: I always had it working by default. What would you recommend me? |
| 20:32.20 | mete | how can I testthat my kernel supports iptables NAT ans MASQ? |
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| 20:32.50 | stew | mete: grep MASQ /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 20:32.53 | Bushmills | ujjain: it may work because maintainers have done a good job preconfiguring it. |
| 20:32.59 | jimcooncat | hmm, been bugging me: aptitude vs. apt-get? what's the scoop? |
| 20:33.07 | jhutchins_lt | ujjain: Some people prefer postfix, or exim4 which is the debian default. You can configure exim with dpkc-configure. |
| 20:33.23 | ujjain | Bushmills: ah ok :) I am just looking to be able to send email via mutt. |
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| 20:33.29 | Bushmills | ujjain: if you have an external mail server you can forward to, look at something like nullmailer or ssmtp. |
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| 20:33.39 | mete | stew: grep: /boot/config-2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.1: No such file or directory |
| 20:33.45 | ujjain | Bushmills: would be possible, but would require authentication. |
| 20:33.47 | stew | jimcooncat: aptitude is slower and sometimes smarter, and has many more features. apt-get is faster to figure things out, but gives up easily when it can't figure things out quickly |
| 20:33.50 | ujjain | possible with ssmtp? |
| 20:33.55 | mete | there isn't any conif gile stew |
| 20:33.56 | Bushmills | otherwise, postfix or exim are less daunting with respect to configuration |
| 20:34.05 | jhutchins_lt | When it comes down to it, configuring ANY mail server is a complex task, and I don't really think any one of those three is actually easier than the others. |
| 20:34.05 | stew | mete: i don't know where redhat puts their config files |
| 20:34.13 | stew | mete: does /proc/config* exist? |
| 20:34.20 | nsadmin | right now the only interest I have is to make the ruby packages work or get soemone to look at it to see if the problems still exist and under which conditions they exist... tell ya what, not too busy now, I'll try it under squeeze and see if the problems still exist |
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| 20:34.28 | mete | I'm using debian lenny stew :) |
| 20:34.35 | mete | but it's a VM |
| 20:34.43 | stew | mete: you are running a redhat enterprise linux v5 kernel |
| 20:34.46 | jimcooncat | thanks stew. My fingers prefer aptitude and I can use the same command for search and show |
| 20:34.47 | ujjain | also, How can I search what packages with exim in the name are installed? |
| 20:34.52 | nsadmin | an interest I don't have right now is to play with or use ruby |
| 20:34.54 | ujjain | rpm -qa | grep exim ? |
| 20:35.00 | mete | proc config isn't available stew |
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| 20:35.18 | nsadmin | ujjain, why would rpm be involved? |
| 20:35.34 | InfectedSoul | so i got my asus n13 usb to work but do i need to keep the user logged in for the wifi to work? |
| 20:35.41 | ujjain | I am not sure. aptitude search exim lists too much. |
| 20:35.43 | jhutchins_lt | ujjain: dpkg -l | grep exim or dpkg -l "exim*" |
| 20:35.50 | ujjain | ah thanks |
| 20:35.50 | jimcooncat | ujjain: "aptitude search exim" will show you all with exim in the name and description, and label with an "i" for packages which are installed |
| 20:35.55 | stew | mete: i would expect that redhat has MASQ compiled as a module in their kernels. I'd not expect you to be able to load modules in whatever environment you are in |
| 20:36.03 | nsadmin | ujjain, you can try aptitude install exim4 |
| 20:36.16 | mete | k stew |
| 20:36.25 | nsadmin | or one of the null mailers |
| 20:36.47 | jhutchins_lt | Not recommended if he just installed sendmail. |
| 20:36.58 | ujjain | it also installed exim |
| 20:37.07 | ujjain | so I was thinking about both removing sendmail and exim |
| 20:37.11 | stew | mete: you can try "lsmod | grep ipt_MASQUERADE" but its not definitive. you can also see what "iptables -t nat -L" says |
| 20:37.13 | ujjain | and then install exim, just to have it a little clean |
| 20:37.19 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt, why? is the sendmail packaging not able to remove itself? |
| 20:37.36 | mete | stew: lsmod is showing nothing :P I've written to the hoster... :) |
| 20:37.46 | stew | ujjain: that would not result in anything different than just installing exim |
| 20:37.46 | ujjain | root@debian:/home/administrator# dpkg -l | grep send |
| 20:37.46 | ujjain | rc sendmail-base |
| 20:37.50 | ujjain | what does rc mean? |
| 20:37.50 | mrdeb | i cant remove exim |
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| 20:38.10 | stew | ujjain: that you requested it be removed. it is removed but only config files remain |
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| 20:38.20 | Bushmills | sendmail and exim4 are mutually exclusive. unlikely that you have both installed |
| 20:38.24 | ujjain | ah k, :) thanks for all the answers, it´s truely appreciated |
| 20:38.46 | ujjain | apt-get install sendmail sendmail-bin < this dependency resolved to exim. |
| 20:39.05 | jhutchins_lt | ujjain: use the purge command to remove conf files. |
| 20:39.10 | mrdeb | Bushmills: should i remove sendmail? |
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| 20:39.12 | InfectedSoul | so i got my asus n13 usb to work but do i need to keep the user logged in for the wifi to work? |
| 20:39.16 | ujjain | I would like to be able to send mails still via command-line though. cat x | mail me@me.com |
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| 20:39.37 | nsadmin | InfectedSoul: hopefully not! |
| 20:39.49 | InfectedSoul | so its just my ssh server that didnt boot k thanks |
| 20:39.49 | InfectedSoul | brb |
| 20:39.59 | Bushmills | mrdeb: i can't tell you whether *you* should. i would do so myself, and replace it against - my personal preference - postfix |
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| 20:41.03 | ujjain | oh wait, exim was alreayd installed :p |
| 20:41.38 | mrdeb | Bushmills: does it fix the nonzero error |
| 20:41.40 | stew | ujjain: if all you need to do is get email off the box to some other mail server which can route the email for you, somehting like nullmailer or ssmtp is an easy alternative. if you also need to receive mail or don't have a smarthost, use any of exim,sendmail,postfix that you are most familiar/comfortable with |
| 20:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | ujjain: mailutils |
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| 20:43.02 | mrdeb | does anyone use midori |
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| 20:43.35 | Bushmills | mrdeb: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=midori |
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| 20:44.00 | ujjain | pkg-reconfigure is pretty cool. |
| 20:44.06 | ujjain | never seen something like that before. |
| 20:44.53 | Bushmills | did you live under a rock? |
| 20:44.58 | mrdeb | what does that mean, Bushmills |
| 20:44.58 | ujjain | I used CentOS :p |
| 20:45.08 | Bushmills | mrdeb: that means "yes" |
| 20:45.17 | mrdeb | so it can replace iceweasel |
| 20:45.20 | mrdeb | good |
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| 20:45.57 | Bushmills | http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=iceweasel |
| 20:46.31 | Darwish | do you a bash command like [!] but which not execute it, but recall in the current line |
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| 20:50.58 | Bushmills | cursor up? |
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| 20:51.26 | Bushmills | ctrl-p? |
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| 20:51.54 | ujjain | stew: ssmtp works nice, :) |
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| 20:53.38 | mrdeb | Bushmills: is midori a valid alternative to firefox |
| 20:54.08 | Bushmills | it is a web browser |
| 20:54.25 | Bushmills | wether it is an alternative, is up to you to decide |
| 20:54.29 | mrdeb | is it stable and work with https auth |
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| 20:54.42 | mrdeb | last time i used it, it crashed more and didnt work with wifi auth sites |
| 20:55.08 | Bushmills | mrdeb: i removed it a while ago, after not having used it for very long. but i forgot why i removed it. |
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| 20:56.08 | mrdeb | ok |
| 20:56.14 | mrdeb | well i need to know exactly its cons |
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| 20:56.41 | Bushmills | it didn't even make it on my browser compatibility table |
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| 20:57.17 | Bushmills | 16 other browsers did |
| 20:58.19 | mrdeb | ok, so cant trust it |
| 20:58.58 | Bushmills | better try it before you form an opinion |
| 20:59.22 | mrdeb | i am trying it |
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| 20:59.26 | Bushmills | purging it again is easy, if it doesn't live up to your requirements |
| 20:59.31 | mrdeb | it is impossible to tst all scenarios |
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| 21:02.14 | Bushmills | kazehakase worked well, i think |
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| 21:03.09 | foetus | recommends using 'rsync -avW --inplace --delete' by syncing removable media, average between speed and security.. |
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| 21:04.26 | Bushmills | no -S or -H? |
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| 21:05.33 | foetus | Bushmills: only for Backup. thats surely enough. |
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| 21:06.34 | Bushmills | by why would you write hardlinked files discretely? |
| 21:07.22 | chiisana | I've installed some software (cacti and mediawiki) via apt-get which adds conf.d entries in apache that presents itself as an alias. These alias works on all ghosts, and I don't like that. What is the best practice approach to restricting them, without causing problems to future updates via apt-get? |
| 21:07.52 | chiisana | *vhost not ghost, stupid auto correct.... |
| 21:08.20 | foetus | Bushmills: not for syncing the entire system, only removable media, like stick -->hd and similar. |
| 21:08.32 | foetus | it goes fast. |
| 21:08.49 | stew | chiisana: delete the conf.d files |
| 21:08.55 | Bushmills | beats me why writing hardlinked files twice instead of just once would be any faster |
| 21:09.10 | stew | chiisana: or edit them to your liking. dpkg won't overwrite those files if you've changed them (and removing them is considered changing them) |
| 21:10.03 | chiisana | For some reason I thought it was not good idea to edit/delete files came in via dpkg... Don't know why... So they're safe to be edited/deleted? |
| 21:10.15 | foetus | not with rsync, unfortunately..:) |
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| 21:11.09 | Bushmills | foetus: but that's the effect of your missing -H option |
| 21:11.32 | stew | chiisana: configuration files are safe to edit. your changes to configuration files should not ever be overwritten |
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| 21:12.27 | chiisana | Ok, thanks :) |
| 21:12.36 | Bushmills | chiisana: why do you need aliases anyway when you have VirtualHost for that site? |
| 21:12.54 | mrdeb | why did purging midori not remove all the same package it install even with autoremove |
| 21:12.58 | stew | Bushmills: he's trying to get rid of the aliases which were added by the package |
| 21:13.00 | mrdeb | my du went up |
| 21:13.14 | Bushmills | i c |
| 21:13.29 | foetus | Bushmills: i don't have hardlinks on my removable media, don't use it. in this case, -H is the right choice, sure.. |
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| 21:14.10 | Bushmills | foetus: if you don't have, -H won't hurt. if you have, it is hard to remember that you might benefit from -H |
| 21:14.13 | mrdeb | why does debian install dev/sdb1 to fstab by default, so that desktop cant mount removable disks without this being removed by user |
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| 21:15.02 | foetus | ? |
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| 21:15.39 | Bushmills | foetus: "oh, on this device may be hardlinks - therefore i ought not to forgot to use -H option with this device" |
| 21:15.45 | chiisana | @Bushmills softwares package automatically added aliases, which are global across all vhosts. I'd much rather them work only for specific vhost instead. |
| 21:15.46 | Bushmills | forget |
| 21:16.05 | foetus | Bushmills: :) |
| 21:16.17 | Bushmills | chiisana: right, stew pointed that out. i misunderstood |
| 21:16.25 | chiisana | :) |
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| 21:22.58 | catsup | Darwish: the bash feature you are looking for is called history expansion. you can read it about it by searching bash(1) for '^HISTORY EXPANSION' |
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| 21:24.25 | thewanderer1 | when a disk fails in RAID (mdraid), how do I know which disk to replace? should I print some stickers with serial numbers and stick them to the drive bays? :P |
| 21:24.30 | el_seano | I tried sending an html page to my printer with lpr and it spit it out as a text file. Based on what I've read, lpr should generally be good about translating the format. Is there something I missing to get it print out as something other than the raw data? |
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| 21:24.50 | Darwish | thanks catsup, i did shopt. Then shopt -s histverify |
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| 21:25.04 | thewanderer1 | el_seano: I don't think LPR has a HTML renderer. what would it use, Gecko? WebKit? |
| 21:25.30 | aPpYe | I just installed a fresh stable system. What package do I need to install to get the ifconfig command? |
| 21:25.42 | thewanderer1 | .file ifconfig |
| 21:25.43 | abrotman | !tell aPpYe about apt-file |
| 21:25.58 | thewanderer1 | grrrr, missed the comma :P |
| 21:26.05 | robokop | el_seano: i would recommend using a2ps for file conversion for printing, never did it with lpr |
| 21:26.22 | el_seano | sounds like a plan to me. |
| 21:26.24 | el_seano | thanks guys |
| 21:26.25 | abrotman | aPpYe: it's likely on your system, juist not in your $PATH .. try /sbin/ifconfig ? |
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| 21:27.23 | thewanderer1 | oh, on OpenSuSE it's in the default path - I did have that "issue", too... |
| 21:27.37 | aPpYe | abrotman: thanks! Actually I was not root. I guess i need to add myself to network group or something. moving right along... |
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| 21:29.47 | thewanderer1 | aPpYe: as a normal user, you usually don't have CAP_NET_ADMIN anyway - you *could* assign proper permissions/capability bits to /sbin/ifconfig and let 'netdev' or another group control the network settings, but it's probably not a good idea (you have NetworkManager et al. for that) |
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| 21:37.48 | pzn | how can I "rebuild" a directory in ext3 filesystem? the directory had 200k files and its allocation is big. now that I removed the files, the directory structure is big and to create a file is slow... how to make the directory structure small again? |
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| 21:39.41 | Coltragon | Hi |
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| 21:40.41 | peterrooney | pzn: rmdir foo; mkdir foo works for me |
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| 21:41.14 | yagoo | pzn, you should be careful about tinkering with filesystem attributes |
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| 21:41.38 | yagoo | pzn, i believe there's a defrag tool for ext2/3 |
| 21:41.45 | pzn | peterrooney, no way to "rebuild" it? with rmdir/mkdir works, but I'll have to restart a service that runs on that directory |
| 21:41.46 | catsup | um |
| 21:41.49 | abrotman | there is .. but gneerally not needed |
| 21:41.53 | yagoo | pzn, i dunno how that may help but may be worth a shot |
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| 21:42.06 | abrotman | pzn: sighup it? |
| 21:42.19 | yagoo | pzn, maybe it's not the fs at all.. |
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| 21:42.47 | pzn | yagoo, it is not the fs... it was a software bug that created too many files in the directory... :-) |
| 21:42.54 | yagoo | oh hahaha |
| 21:43.09 | yagoo | sounds like a looping error on file creation.. what a nightmare |
| 21:43.21 | thewanderer1 | if you remove it and create fast, will the daemon notice? :P |
| 21:43.22 | yagoo | good thing it didn't overwrite /dev :) |
| 21:43.33 | abrotman | thewanderer1: likely yes |
| 21:44.19 | pzn | sighup did the work... now the daemon has the new directory opened! |
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| 21:44.36 | yagoo | pzn, it's like having a monkey in the filing cabinet.. sounds like alot of foobar going around :) |
| 21:44.39 | beownd | using debian |
| 21:44.47 | thewanderer1 | if one of my disks fails in RAID, how do I know which one that was? any way to map a disk to a SATA port number? (or is "port numbers" meaningful to Linux at all?) |
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| 21:45.24 | yagoo | thewanderer1, well the system ought to still be operational.. i'm guessing it would be a critical message and show up in dmesg |
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| 21:45.54 | thewanderer1 | yagoo: yeah sure, but I can't know whether the tiny red connector on the mobo labelled as SATA0 is sda or sdb... |
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| 21:46.12 | abrotman | thewanderer1: \swraid or hwraid |
| 21:46.18 | thewanderer1 | mdraid |
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| 21:46.18 | yagoo | thewanderer1, look at the drive serial # attributes.. it's listed somewhere |
| 21:46.20 | pzn | imagine my nightmare... 402 gprs devices that report 2x/hour the status... the firewall admin made a mistake, I could receive the status, but the output package was being dropped. so the devices did not receive the ACK, and then within one hour I had 402 devices sendind me one package every 3 seconds... and for every "weird" package the package stays in the directory for "debugging/processing"... |
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| 21:46.55 | abrotman | thewanderer1: is'nt there a way to make the drive light flash? |
| 21:47.07 | pzn | I ended up with a filesystem with 0% inodes free, and a directory with > 200k files :-) |
| 21:47.13 | abrotman | whoops |
| 21:47.21 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: I don't know... not if it's dead, I suppose... |
| 21:47.23 | yagoo | guesses cat /dev/<drive> /dev/null will turn on a drive's light :) |
| 21:47.25 | yagoo | haha |
| 21:47.32 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: sata0 should be sda |
| 21:47.42 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You can always disconnect something and see what's left. |
| 21:47.45 | yagoo | cat /dev/<drive> > /dev/null (dont forget the arrow) |
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| 21:47.51 | yagoo | then u can use break.. |
| 21:47.56 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: sure, but my RAID5 is not going to like that :P |
| 21:47.57 | yagoo | ^brute force lazy way imho |
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| 21:48.19 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Can you get the SN in software? |
| 21:48.28 | yagoo | yeah he can... |
| 21:48.37 | thewanderer1 | well... I suppose I can, there are some symlinks in /dev/disk |
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| 21:49.15 | yagoo | not there.. but it's one of those hd tools or probe tools i forget which one.. i believed i've seen hd serial#'s dealing with udev |
| 21:49.17 | thewanderer1 | while the serial numbers might tell me something, I'd have to keep a serial number next to every bay and replace them |
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| 21:49.58 | jhutchins_lt | You can just look for the one with the smoke and metal filings coming out of it... |
| 21:50.26 | foetus | ;) |
| 21:50.35 | thewanderer1 | haha, thanks for the tip, but the last failed drive just had uncorrectable errors and then ceased to be detected in the BIOS at all :P |
| 21:50.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hello I have an LCD TV that I have hooked up to the second DVI connector on my PCIE video card. I have an onboard nvidia card with an actual HDMI output so I am hoping that if I enable it in the BIOS that I can set debian up to output the audio to the HDMI port. Is this currently possible? I have the Nvidia driver from nvidia website installed so that part is out of the way, and I have installed pulseaudio to try and make selecting ins a |
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| 21:51.18 | thewanderer1 | there's also this directory /dev/disk/by-path, but they look nothing like SATA port names |
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| 21:52.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | Or do I just need to stick with a headphone splitter and a 6ft 3.5mm stereo cable to send audio to the TV? |
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| 21:52.35 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: you got cutoff |
| 21:52.54 | abrotman | thewanderer1: are they like c0d0p1 ? |
| 21:53.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Should I copy/paste my message again? |
| 21:53.24 | abrotman | apparently that failed the first time .. be smarter .. |
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| 21:54.11 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: umm no, I'm pretty sure I'm on Linux... and this is more like pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-4:0:0:0 O.o |
| 21:54.31 | abrotman | thewanderer1: c0d0p1 can happen in linux too IIRC .. depends on the controller |
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| 21:55.10 | thewanderer1 | alright... I guess I'll just have some serial number stickers printed or otherwise store the mappings manually :P |
| 21:55.32 | thewanderer1 | thanks for the suggestions |
| 21:55.37 | abrotman | thewanderer1: did you try to google "mdraid identify drive"? |
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| 21:56.38 | thewanderer1 | now that I checked these exact keywords, I'm seeing the LED method... but my LEDs always flash with high frequencies :P |
| 21:56.46 | Ovizu | hi |
| 21:56.48 | thewanderer1 | (maybe KVM likes to eat disks) |
| 21:57.22 | abrotman | high disk activity eats disks ? |
| 21:57.26 | yagoo | thewanderer1, found an example somewhere.. eg: udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/hdc |
| 21:58.42 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: yeah, I can hear it chomping vigorously on the silver plates |
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| 21:59.17 | yagoo | thewanderer1, that can also happen if one of the ribbons is loose.. |
| 21:59.29 | yagoo | thewanderer1, check the comm cable |
| 21:59.32 | thewanderer1 | ,file udevinfo |
| 21:59.35 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 22:00.17 | yagoo | judd, udevinfo is on my debian 6 system |
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| 22:00.20 | thewanderer1 | nah, when I turn off KVM, it stops, but there's a reason I run it :P |
| 22:00.52 | abrotman | thewanderer1: tried at least setting noasync ? (is that the right option?) |
| 22:01.52 | abrotman | noatime |
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| 22:02.52 | abrotman | thewanderer1: generally, those types of apps will have info on how to stop beating the snot out of your disks |
| 22:03.03 | thewanderer1 | sure, running always with noatime... |
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| 22:03.25 | thewanderer1 | guess I'll stick to stickers :P |
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| 22:04.02 | jhutchins_lt | Moar RAM |
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| 22:08.51 | robokop | jhutchins_lt: order some kebab, good chance it is ram |
| 22:09.35 | jhutchins_lt | kabab's hard to find here in the American mid-West. |
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| 22:14.35 | kerrick | How do I use apt-get to list packages that were manually installed (but not automatically installed dependencies), so that if I wish to reinstall the set of packages on a new system, I can do so without breaking the functionality of apt-get autoremove? |
| 22:15.33 | themill | kerrick: you can use aptitude; /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 22:16.21 | kerrick | themill: thanks |
| 22:16.23 | abrotman | waves at themill |
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| 22:17.24 | \amethyst | kerrick: in the 'aptitude clone' line, ~M means "automatically-installed packages", and the ! negates that |
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| 22:19.28 | yagoo | farts to make themill work :) |
| 22:19.34 | yagoo | jk |
| 22:19.48 | yagoo | !selections |
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| 22:26.34 | boudiccas | Today I took delivery of a external USB drive for my backups. I think that its formatted NTFS by default. Will this eventually need defragging? Is it possible for me to format it ext3 without losing what is already backed up to it? |
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| 22:27.03 | abrotman | you would lose the data if you format it |
| 22:27.21 | nvz | hmm.. I had a highlight on this window but lastlog shows nothing |
| 22:27.43 | abrotman | boudiccas: what you can try to do is use something like gparted and resize the active partition, then move the data to a new ext3 partition, then expand the ext3 partition |
| 22:28.30 | abrotman | though, generally, you'd want to backup the data before using gparted |
| 22:28.37 | nvz | oh well.. whats something graphical preferably that will show me the activity on a joystick? |
| 22:29.35 | yagoo | wnpp |
| 22:29.36 | yagoo | !wnpp |
| 22:29.36 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 22:30.14 | yagoo | anyone heard of gdisk (GPT table style) << what do debianers use for GPT.. gparted/parted only? |
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| 22:33.04 | yagoo | http://sourceforge.net/projects/gptfdisk/ |
| 22:33.40 | yagoo | can i wnpp this? |
| 22:33.55 | abrotman | you can wnpp anything you want .. doesn't mean it will happen |
| 22:34.25 | nvz | hmm the only thing I am finding is the joystick package which I suppose will work but its not graphical |
| 22:34.33 | daemonkeeper | Also gnu-fdisk does support GPT already |
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| 22:35.01 | nvz | I swear there was a graphical tool with a pull down menu for connected joysticks |
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| 22:37.32 | yagoo | daemonkeeper, thanks man :) |
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| 22:42.14 | owner | Hey I noticed debian does not use Plymouth or usplash. What does it use? |
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| 22:43.06 | owner | does anyone know? |
| 22:43.35 | nvz | hmm the problem seems to be I dont know what I am doing all of a sudden ;) |
| 22:43.38 | indigo_ | owner: I thought Debian had no bootsplash |
| 22:43.47 | owner | indigo really? |
| 22:43.59 | nvz | I remember when I used this before I linked the /dev/input/input0 or such to /dev/input/js0 |
| 22:44.00 | owner | indigo that's kind of awesome |
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| 22:44.19 | indigo_ | :P |
| 22:44.24 | nvz | doesnt seem to be attaching to anything other than hiddev and hidraw now though |
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| 22:46.45 | themill | ,info plymouth |
| 22:46.48 | judd | Package plymouth (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Graphical Boot Animation and Logger. Version: 0.8.3-9.1; Size: 211.6k; Installed: 752k; Homepage: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth |
| 22:46.55 | themill | owner: ^^ you can install plymouth if you want. |
| 22:47.24 | owner | themill well I'm remastering debian and I want to keep it small |
| 22:47.38 | owner | themill I'm more worried about rebranding it than having a boot splash |
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| 22:48.05 | themill | what the world obviously needs is another debian derivative. |
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| 22:48.20 | nvz | haha |
| 22:48.28 | abrotman | like i need a hole in the head? |
| 22:48.54 | themill | dpkg, shoot abrotman |
| 22:48.54 | dpkg | blows abrotman away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
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| 22:50.07 | abrotman | omg badgers |
| 22:50.49 | RichiH | mushroom |
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| 22:51.04 | abrotman | snake |
| 22:51.12 | RichiH | only in kenya |
| 22:51.21 | abrotman | it feels so .. 2003? :) |
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| 22:53.05 | aPpYe | I am seeing a bunch of walkthroughs for setting a debian machine to static ip. none of them mention whether or not I should keep/modify/comment/delete the line that is currently there that says "allow-hotplug eth0" |
| 22:53.47 | aPpYe | oh I see. |
| 22:53.49 | aPpYe | man page |
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| 22:53.58 | aPpYe | this means that the interface will be automatically brought up at boot? |
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| 22:54.06 | abrotman | if it's connected, yes |
| 22:54.07 | boudiccas | how can i increase the font size in the messages that are displayed when i reboot please? they are so tiny that i cant read them |
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| 22:56.47 | jhutchins_lt | aPpYe: allow-hotplug should be used if the interface isn't always connected. If it is, auto should work. |
| 22:57.30 | aPpYe | jhutchins_lt: gotcha! |
| 22:58.06 | owner | Hey you know the ubuntu-restricted-extras metapackage is there anything like that for Debian? |
| 22:58.17 | owner | I did a google search but everything is out of date |
| 22:58.32 | aguitel_ | no |
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| 22:59.05 | thepro4ever | is there a dreamweaver for linux? |
| 22:59.17 | boudiccas | thepro4ever; lol! :)))))) |
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| 22:59.30 | thepro4ever | boudiccas: ?? |
| 23:00.16 | dondelelcaro | thepro4ever: there isn't an equivalent, no. |
| 23:00.17 | boudiccas | thepro4ever; bluefish is among the best but its not a clone of dreamweaver |
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| 23:01.05 | thepro4ever | fuck linux |
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| 23:02.41 | ignite | Nvu or Kompozer |
| 23:02.50 | nvz | likes bluefish |
| 23:03.09 | yagoo | I relogged in to a closer freenode..dam disc |
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| 23:05.13 | boudiccas | thepro4ever; why the angst? |
| 23:05.53 | thepro4ever | does bluefish let you build your web pages with drag and drop? |
| 23:05.57 | nvz | does anyone know what the hid compliant joystick module might be in debian kernel? |
| 23:06.20 | nvz | cause thats the only reason I can gather its not connecting to a standard input device node, is that the joystick support isnt loaded |
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| 23:08.14 | Archwyrm | How I can tell APT not to reconfigure a package ('C' status)? My kernel package can't install to grub because I am running on a VM but every time I take some other package action, the kernel package uselessly reconfigures. Rather annoying. |
| 23:08.21 | nvz | ah.. joydev.. |
| 23:09.27 | themill | Archwyrm: any reason to have the bootloader installed at all if it's not needed? |
| 23:10.13 | Archwyrm | themill: Well, presumably /boot/grub/menu.lst is still getting read. |
| 23:10.37 | Archwyrm | themill: I'm not terribly sure how it all fits together since this is AWS. |
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| 23:10.53 | nvz | Archwyrm: I think he was asking if you have a need for the bootloader, because he was likely going to suggest removing it |
| 23:11.02 | nvz | hence solving the problem |
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| 23:11.27 | nvz | the kernel doesnt complain about lilo, because its not installed.. so remove grub and it wont complain about that either |
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| 23:11.34 | Archwyrm | nvz: Yeah, I suppose only the file itself would be needed. I'll try that. |
| 23:11.50 | themill | Archwyrm: many VPSs don't need a bootloader because they don't run their own kernel anyway, but I don't know what the situation is with your provider. |
| 23:12.14 | themill | Archwyrm: what the output of "uname -r" |
| 23:12.47 | Archwyrm | themill: 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 23:13.18 | themill | ahh... well that's a debian kernel at least, so it might be that there's a debian bootloader involved somewhere |
| 23:13.18 | nvz | goes to play GTA-SA since he figured out the joydev driver wasnt loaded.. may have to still link to /dev/js0 but not sure.. |
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| 23:14.21 | Archwyrm | themill: Yeah, I am in the process of recompiling the kernel right now because the stock xen kernel supports only 32 GB of RAM and I need 64. |
| 23:14.50 | nvz | ah.. it works now.. just gotta figure out the correct keymappings.. hmm.. wish I still had the ps2 version of GTASA to reference |
| 23:16.46 | Archwyrm | themill: Well, removing grub fixed the kernel configuration, but we'll see if the image still boots. :) |
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| 23:18.05 | themill | heh |
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| 23:19.59 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 23:20.26 | Bartzy | How it is possible that an executable I run with ./exec 2>&1 > /dev/null , will still output stuff to screen ? |
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| 23:21.58 | peterrooney | Bartzy: the executeable may add additional file handles itself |
| 23:22.03 | boudiccas | how do i create a folder called 'rsnapshot' on an external disc called 'disk' where only root can change things. i cant access root, so i have to use sudo |
| 23:22.25 | Bartzy | peterrooney: OK, how do I disable it any access whatsoever to write to the console ? |
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| 23:23.27 | peterrooney | Bartzy: background it and disown it really really quickly? doing so may break things. what program? |
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| 23:23.42 | Bartzy | peterrooney: gmic |
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| 23:25.40 | owner | This 32 bit version of JULinux i'm basing off of Debian is going to rock!!! |
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| 23:26.17 | owner | It's going to have all the stable awesomeness of Debian and all the package support of Ubuntu. |
| 23:26.18 | I_Died_Once | owner - what will your distro have to offer that debian doesnt? |
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| 23:26.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | I_Died_Once: seems nothing :) |
| 23:26.36 | owner | I_Died_Once go to www.justuselinux.com and look at the interface. |
| 23:26.48 | owner | I_Died_Once that's just for starters. |
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| 23:28.28 | Arrowmaster | owner: looks like that site was created in frontpage |
| 23:28.44 | peterrooney | Bartzy: Huh. |
| 23:28.55 | Bartzy | peterrooney: ? :) |
| 23:29.00 | owner | Arrowmaster no Kompozer (same thing) |
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| 23:29.22 | Arrowmaster | you realize that was a serious insult |
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| 23:30.03 | owner | arrowmaster you realize that I don't care. I need someone who is Good with webpages to do it. |
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| 23:30.19 | peterrooney | Bartzy: Just saying, nothing obvious in man page or website about it having extra file handles to the controlling terminal. |
| 23:30.39 | Bartzy | peterrooney: Yeah, it's a pretty weird piece of software :) I'll try to strace it |
| 23:30.49 | Bartzy | peterrooney: Thanks for your help :) will report in later on :p |
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| 23:33.14 | boudiccas | how can i change the ownership of sdb1 from root to boztu, and have it apply to all folders and files please? |
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| 23:33.56 | streuner__ | its basically an udev thingie, but why do you want change a dev at all? |
| 23:34.13 | boudiccas | streuner__; me? |
| 23:34.18 | streuner__ | sure |
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| 23:35.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah changing ownership of a device node is probably not what you want |
| 23:35.22 | boudiccas | i backup to /media/disk/rsnapshot/ but am unable to read the backup and delete a failed backup to it. hence the need to change the permissions |
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| 23:35.52 | Arrowmaster | chown -R the directory |
| 23:36.06 | boudiccas | thank you |
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| 23:40.47 | boudiccas | cci've tried this ...... sudo chown -R /media/disk/ boztu: ....... but it fails, saying ........ chown: invalid user: `/media/disk/' |
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| 23:41.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: path last |
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| 23:42.59 | boudiccas | Kamping_Kaiser; thanks, its worked :) |
| 23:43.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: np :) |
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| 23:55.14 | BenNZ | hi , just having a problem with my software sources , i can't delete the repository for playonlinux , and it isnt in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:56.15 | Bushmills | look in /etc/apt/sources.d |
| 23:56.39 | BenNZ | Bushmills: thanks i found out the problem |
| 23:57.00 | Bushmills | sources.list.d i meant |
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| 23:57.49 | BenNZ | Bushmills: yeh i figured as much , and it was the problem, there was an entry there for it |
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