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| 00:04.45 | phantomcircuit | so i see that the default project root for gitweb is /var/cache/git |
| 00:04.47 | phantomcircuit | ... wtf? |
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| 00:06.32 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think its been brought up multiple times that it shouldnt be in /var/cache |
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| 00:07.40 | unforgiven512 | phantomcircuit: Yeah it's a pain in the ass |
| 00:08.00 | unforgiven512 | phantomcircuit: do: cp /etc/gitweb.conf /home/gituser1/gitweb.conf |
| 00:08.07 | unforgiven512 | and edit that conf |
| 00:08.25 | unforgiven512 | and one sec |
| 00:08.26 | Arrowmaster | why would you move it to /home |
| 00:08.41 | unforgiven512 | Arrowmaster: At least in my situation, I have two instances of gitweb running |
| 00:08.49 | unforgiven512 | Arrowmaster: I guess he could leave it in place :) |
| 00:09.05 | unforgiven512 | And in that case, he'd just need to tweak /etc/gitweb.conf and his apache vhost file :) |
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| 00:09.59 | unforgiven512 | Anyhow, any idea how I can fix my sound card? |
| 00:10.02 | unforgiven512 | Intel HD Audio |
| 00:10.09 | unforgiven512 | 1002:4383 |
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| 00:11.31 | owner | Hey anyone know what is going on here and how to fix it? http://pastebin.com/H3VH0U3J |
| 00:11.46 | owner | I see melt is installed but not mlt |
| 00:12.40 | Arrowmaster | so install it? |
| 00:12.51 | phantomcircuit | unforgiven512, i was trying to figure out the proper place for one that's accessed by redmine and looked there |
| 00:12.56 | phantomcircuit | left me even more confused |
| 00:13.02 | phantomcircuit | i just used /var/git/ |
| 00:13.05 | owner | Arrowmaster mlt isn't in the repos |
| 00:13.09 | phantomcircuit | which seems to be basically right |
| 00:13.16 | riot | hmhm, my freshly installed exim4 (configured for TLS) won't allow local users to relay :( |
| 00:13.23 | Arrowmaster | owner: then the question is offtopic |
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| 00:13.39 | owner | Arrowmaster OpenShot Video Editor was working just fine |
| 00:13.49 | phantomcircuit | riot, use postfix :| |
| 00:13.56 | riot | phantomcircuit: no, not an option :/ |
| 00:14.02 | phantomcircuit | please? |
| 00:14.09 | owner | But no Blender plugin so I thought I needed the newest version Arrowmaster so I went to the website and got their PPA like they said to. |
| 00:14.20 | phantomcircuit | riot, #exim is probably a better bet btw |
| 00:14.24 | owner | Arrowmaster but after I installed it from their site nothing worked. |
| 00:14.30 | riot | phantomcircuit: they're sleeping, apparently |
| 00:14.36 | owner | owner Arrowmaster I don't know how to remove the ppa |
| 00:14.40 | Arrowmaster | owner: so go ask them whats wrong, this is offtopic for #debian since you are using ppa's |
| 00:14.56 | owner | Arrowmaster it said it was for debian |
| 00:14.58 | stew | , versions python-mlt3 |
| 00:14.59 | judd | Package python-mlt3 on i386 -- wheezy: 0.7.2-1; sid: 0.7.2-2; squeeze-multimedia: 1:0.6.2-0.0; sid-multimedia: 1:0.7.2-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.7.2-0.0 |
| 00:15.03 | Arrowmaster | !offtopic |
| 00:15.04 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 00:15.30 | Arrowmaster | you arent using software provided by debian hence offtopic |
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| 00:16.26 | stew | owner: what does "lsb_release -c" return? |
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| 00:17.06 | owner | stew Codename:squeeze |
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| 00:18.07 | owner | Hmmm no one in debian-offtopic will answer me. |
| 00:18.17 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:18.25 | stew | owner: you can get mlt from the debian-multimedia repository (which is unofficial) "/msg dpkg dmm" or you can backport it from the debian repositories "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 00:18.45 | mdik | hi. how can i read out my processor-information via the commandline? |
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| 00:18.47 | owner | stew where / what is this repository? |
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| 00:19.03 | unforgiven512 | mdik: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:19.04 | unforgiven512 | ' |
| 00:19.20 | stew | owner: in france. stuff that isn't in debian, often because of intellectual property problems: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 00:19.40 | owner | stew great! I'm trying to find the site with the repo. |
| 00:19.51 | stew | owner: dpkg will tell you |
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| 00:20.04 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: +tell owner -about dmm |
| 00:20.04 | dpkg | told owner about dmm. |
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| 00:20.45 | mdik | thank you |
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| 00:21.06 | unforgiven512 | Anytime |
| 00:21.13 | mdik | how can it be that it appears to be a dual-core when the model is a single core (atom n270)? |
| 00:21.23 | unforgiven512 | Hyper-threading |
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| 00:21.46 | stew | mdik: does the flags contain "ht"? |
| 00:21.51 | unforgiven512 | It makes one *physical* CPU core appear as two *logical* CPU cores, allowing two threads to execute concurrently one one CPU core. |
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| 00:22.08 | stew | fsvo concurrently :) |
| 00:22.27 | mdik | stew: yes |
| 00:22.37 | unforgiven512 | Though, if either thread is >~49% usage, it can actually bog down the CPU =/ |
| 00:22.47 | unforgiven512 | It really just depends on usage patterns whether it is useful or not. |
| 00:22.47 | stew | mdik: that's hyperthreading |
| 00:22.54 | mdik | stew: so it is virtual? |
| 00:22.59 | stew | yes |
| 00:23.01 | unforgiven512 | Yeah |
| 00:23.06 | unforgiven512 | D= |
| 00:23.21 | mdik | unforgiven512: sorry, missed your lines..- |
| 00:23.28 | unforgiven512 | has a 6-core AMD Phenom II 1090T @ 3.2 GHz |
| 00:23.33 | unforgiven512 | mdik: It's okay. No worries. |
| 00:23.53 | unforgiven512 | mdik: For the average user, and average use-case, hyper-threading is great. |
| 00:24.00 | owner | Ok I installed the repos but now it wants the keys. Where are they? |
| 00:24.06 | unforgiven512 | mdik: There are certain loads that HT is not very efficient with. |
| 00:24.19 | stew | owner: there should be instructions on the homepage |
| 00:24.32 | unforgiven512 | (ie: multiple, work-heavy, single-threaded loads) |
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| 00:24.44 | owner | stew should being the operative word. |
| 00:24.51 | mdik | unforgiven512: i have a netbook and i never needed more |
| 00:24.55 | unforgiven512 | :) |
| 00:25.01 | owner | debian-multimedia.org |
| 00:25.06 | unforgiven512 | As long as it meets your needs, that's all that matters :D |
| 00:25.12 | stew | owner: yes, they are there |
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| 00:25.25 | owner | stew ok. Sorry don't see them I'll look harder |
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| 00:25.29 | unforgiven512 | I enjoy my 6-core + 8GB RAM PC |
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| 00:25.41 | freegh | hello guys i'm looking for a tool to find out howmany data traffic i have eatch month |
| 00:25.58 | stew | owner: though it should be telling you it is 1F41B907 and should be on any common keyserver |
| 00:26.01 | freegh | i wanne know the total number of mb/gb has been send and recieved |
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| 00:26.03 | unforgiven512 | Then again, I enjoy compiling Android ROMs from source, which took almost 2 hours on my old dual-core machine, and take about 18 mins on here :) |
| 00:26.12 | owner | Ah you have to install it debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 00:26.25 | unforgiven512 | freegh: Are you using GNOME or just a bare system? |
| 00:26.32 | freegh | bare |
| 00:26.33 | freegh | cli |
| 00:26.35 | unforgiven512 | hmm |
| 00:26.39 | unforgiven512 | rrdtool? |
| 00:26.42 | unforgiven512 | perhaps? |
| 00:26.51 | mdik | unforgiven512: say again, how many processors do you have? have it been five? |
| 00:26.59 | freegh | i have rrdtool installed |
| 00:27.04 | unforgiven512 | mdik: 6-core CPU |
| 00:27.05 | freegh | but to use it u need some rrd script code. |
| 00:27.19 | unforgiven512 | freegh: I don't really know much about it, I just know *of* it |
| 00:27.32 | unforgiven512 | freegh: My webhost keeps bandwidth logs for me |
| 00:27.33 | unforgiven512 | =/ |
| 00:27.41 | unforgiven512 | (Well, VPS host) |
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| 00:27.48 | freegh | yeah i understand |
| 00:28.03 | mdik | unforgiven512: SIX? i cant believe it. SIX! i almost thought five, but it was SIX!!! (; |
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| 00:30.15 | unforgiven512 | mdik: It's quite...powerful :) |
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| 00:30.48 | unforgiven512 | I used to use Ubuntu 11.04 on this box, but, point blank, it sucks (in my opinion) |
| 00:30.58 | MrFrood | but does it run CP/M..? |
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| 00:31.09 | unforgiven512 | Huh? |
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| 00:33.51 | MrFrood | !tell unforgiven512 about cpm |
| 00:33.53 | MrFrood | :P |
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| 00:35.55 | newl | cpm ? the os? |
| 00:36.10 | joe6 | i have lots of these : nautilus[2045]: segfault at 5 ip b6aed854 sp bfb18cc8 error 6 in libc-2.13.so[b6a5a000+153000] |
| 00:36.18 | joe6 | and I am on the latest libc, I think |
| 00:37.22 | joe6 | newl, I just put the card in and I got the same ext4_fs errors: http://sprunge.us/XCSI . could the panic notifier message have a clue? |
| 00:37.39 | unforgiven512 | lol |
| 00:39.46 | newl | joe6: do you even have ext4 fs? |
| 00:40.19 | joe6 | yes, the md1 array is on ext4 fs |
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| 00:40.28 | joe6 | newl, should I post the full messages file? |
| 00:40.32 | joe6 | newl, will that help |
| 00:40.54 | newl | sure more eyes on this ;) only thing i can think of is irq conflict? |
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| 00:41.38 | joe6 | newl, here you go: http://sprunge.us/RUJY |
| 00:42.10 | joe6 | interesting thing is when I add the agp card in, I have to change my monitor to that cards' port to see anything |
| 00:42.26 | MrFrood | anyone else notice that the cpm factoid is wrong? |
| 00:43.06 | joe6 | I am guessing that when it is time for it to switch the monitor resolution/rate, it just panics as it does not know how to do it with the agp card. (lack of drivers, etc?) |
| 00:43.20 | newl | joe6: turn off nautilus |
| 00:43.25 | balleyne | unforgiven512: I've set the hostname, but when I ping the server from my laptop, my laptop says the response is from the old hostname... any idea what could be causing that? |
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| 00:44.22 | unforgiven512 | balleyne: What is the new and the old hostnames? (if you don't mind sharing) |
| 00:44.57 | joe6 | newl, how do I do that? I do not have nautilus turned on anywhere. I do not know where it is starting from? |
| 00:45.10 | joe6 | newl, checked the startup applications and I did not see anything there. |
| 00:45.28 | newl | joe6: for now just find it and rename it with a .1 at the end |
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| 00:45.58 | joe6 | you mean the nautilus executable? simple, brilliant idea.. |
| 00:46.15 | unforgiven512 | balleyne: If you prefer to PM it, go for it |
| 00:46.24 | newl | and before you restart the computer - rm /var/log/messages |
| 00:46.32 | joe6 | newl, did that. |
| 00:46.59 | newl | okay give me another sorunge |
| 00:47.24 | joe6 | newl, ok, will have to reboot then. will catch you in a few mins, then.. |
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| 00:48.00 | joe6 | newl, btw, quick question, is there any place inthe config where I can tell linux that I have 2 vga cards, but use the onboard one and not the agp card? |
| 00:48.04 | balleyne | unforgiven512: oh, maybe that was the value set when I initially purchased the server... could be the value returned on reverse lookup of the IP address |
| 00:48.10 | phantomcircuit | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Gj7j3C62 |
| 00:48.23 | phantomcircuit | it looks like passenger isn't being loaded properly |
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| 00:48.34 | joe6 | doing that, I figure I do not have to worry about changing the monitor connection when I put the card in. |
| 00:49.05 | joe6 | I believe that it probably has something to do with the monitor being connected to that card, which is root of the issue. |
| 00:49.10 | joe6 | newl, does that make sense? |
| 00:49.25 | joe6 | i checked the bios settings and it is at vga/svga |
| 00:49.57 | newl | joe6: maybe some xorg option but i don't know - good question for #xorg |
| 00:50.05 | joe6 | newl, ok, thanks |
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| 00:51.06 | _ARMA_ | installing Debian with Windows.. is it something wrong with it? for Debian, is it good, bad or neither good nor bad? |
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| 00:52.16 | _ARMA_ | I mean to have the both system at the same computer. |
| 00:52.16 | volk | What advantage might a person have who compiles his or her own kernel, as opposed to using an installation CD/DVD? |
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| 00:52.42 | krisfremen | volk: depends on what you're trying to do |
| 00:52.55 | volk | My system sometimes does not boot with some errors and I was wondering by compiling, I might remove those errors? |
| 00:53.06 | somiaj | _ARMA_: biggest issue with dual (or multi) booting many operating systems on the same computer is having to reboot betwen them. But if they each have their own partition/hd they can live side by side just fine. |
| 00:53.07 | krisfremen | unless you need special stuff that doesn't come with the vanilla kernel, you're better off with the vanilla kernel |
| 00:53.15 | MrFrood | !tell _ARMA_ about multiboot |
| 00:53.23 | krisfremen | might not be the kernel that is the problem volk |
| 00:53.40 | volk | by vanilla kernel, you mean the one that comes with Debian? |
| 00:53.45 | krisfremen | yeah |
| 00:54.00 | volk | krisfremen: thanks, I guess I'll have to look into the errors. |
| 00:54.29 | juso | So I have a Q: is anyone using linux/debain as their only OS ? I really don't see this possibly with the gadgets/games/etc |
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| 00:54.47 | volk | is there a chance it might work better with my hardware, or the system might work faster if I compile? |
| 00:54.53 | _ARMA_ | ok then. |
| 00:54.55 | MrFrood | juso: yes |
| 00:55.00 | krisfremen | juso: yes |
| 00:55.09 | volk | juso: yes |
| 00:55.28 | somiaj | juso: debian has been my only os for 10 years, and works fine with any of the gatets/games I have wanted to play. |
| 00:55.43 | juso | hmmm |
| 00:56.29 | MrFrood | (to be totally honest I also have a 286 running FreeDOS) |
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| 00:57.41 | newl | MrFrood: call and raise you a 386 running 4dis |
| 00:57.44 | newl | 4dos |
| 00:58.04 | MrFrood | newl: kewl |
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| 00:58.45 | Qation | Hey can anyone help me with LVM? I want to take some about 10 GB away from my /home partition and add it onto my / partition |
| 00:58.47 | newl | 286 was the original pc? |
| 00:59.07 | newl | 8088 sorry |
| 00:59.12 | Qation | Is it possible to do that with lvextend? |
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| 00:59.43 | while | excuse me , i have a alienware m15x with a Intel Core i7 Q720 1.6 ghz and a Ati Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series graphic card . What type of debian should i install ? |
| 00:59.53 | juso | It doesn't work with 1. my cannon software 2. my fax/printer/scanner (fully) 3. my video games 4. iphone 5. specific software that only runs on mac/windows |
| 01:00.00 | MrFrood | !tell newl about xt |
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| 01:00.38 | krisfremen | juso: iphone bah! if you like iphones that much, go with macs, all fax printer scanners i've had worked fine for me |
| 01:00.47 | krisfremen | and i have two canon dslrs, they work just fine |
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| 01:01.10 | krisfremen | most video games play under wine with no problems |
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| 01:01.24 | nsadmin | newl, yeah, probably 8086 or 8088 |
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| 01:01.51 | juso | its what I have ALREADY and linux isnt working with it, thats my issue. Im not going to google is something at bestbuy that I want to see if it works on linux |
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| 01:02.02 | nsadmin | wants to play the original thief over wine |
| 01:02.08 | juso | I use linux on my netbook though - so i was wondering what you other guys did also |
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| 01:02.53 | nsadmin | juso, it's too bad that you didn't find these things out before you bought new hardware |
| 01:03.08 | CarlFK | juso: it took me about a year to stop using windows, because of the stuff I had that I din't want to let go of. seemes reasonable to me. |
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| 01:03.55 | juso | nsadmin, that doesn't make any sense, cause im fine with a mac and using it. - im asking what linux/debain users do in my case |
| 01:04.03 | CarlFK | juso: at some point I just went cold turkey and stooped worrying about it. no more being angry at MS; life got better. |
| 01:04.08 | babilen | while: squeeze i386/amd64 are possible |
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| 01:05.08 | nsadmin | if you're now asking the question "can the hardware I already have be used with linux", the general answer is some will and some won't... |
| 01:05.17 | CarlFK | juso: and now I can honestly tell friends "sorry, I have no idea how to fix your borked windows box" |
| 01:05.27 | MrFrood | solution is to only get hardware that is atleast 10 years old |
| 01:05.37 | nsadmin | juso, debian users generally find out everything they can before buying hardware |
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| 01:06.47 | nsadmin | you being in between a rock and a hard place, you'd do the same thing: find out everything you can about your hardware and what drivers are available to support it |
| 01:06.48 | Abddu | nsadmin: THat's doesn't actually sound advertisement-like for Debian. :) |
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| 01:07.11 | nsadmin | Abddu, you don't know me very well :) |
| 01:07.18 | nsadmin | do you? :) |
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| 01:07.22 | juso | Im on linux now and I use it 80% of the time, but without a mac/window available - i couldn't do certain stuff i WANT to do |
| 01:07.36 | nsadmin | I do NOT advertize debian. ever. |
| 01:07.42 | soapie | juso: what is it you're trying to do |
| 01:08.00 | Abddu | I don't know you at all. Neither I do know Debian. :) I've just installed it for my first time today, solving non-existent problems right now( sixth reinstall :D). |
| 01:08.06 | juso | soapie: software i have wont use on linux nor will some of my hardware |
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| 01:08.12 | CarlFK | how do I tell dbootstrap to use my squid proxy ? |
| 01:08.16 | soapie | juso: like? |
| 01:08.24 | juso | soapie, ... i already listed lol |
| 01:08.25 | soapie | obviously itunes is not going to be kosher on debian |
| 01:08.29 | nsadmin | what I do is make absolutely sure the person is making their own choice |
| 01:08.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | CarlFK: set one of the proxy environment variables, or iir it has a commandline option for it |
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| 01:09.00 | nsadmin | and I also try to make sure their choice is as informed as possible |
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| 01:09.50 | nsadmin | in this case, the person is asking about debian and/or running it now |
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| 01:10.37 | nsadmin | so it's not even relevent right now whether they would or wouldn't, because they're not asking for imformation leading to a choice that I know of |
| 01:10.41 | Abddu | nsadmin: Copy that. Wise strategy. :) |
| 01:10.49 | juso | nsadmin, your talking to me? confused. |
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| 01:11.14 | nsadmin | juso, not right now... referencing your case occasionally tho |
| 01:11.20 | juso | I've ran linux since slackware was the most popular |
| 01:11.24 | juso | so thats not my case... |
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| 01:12.05 | nsadmin | juso: you mean when I said... |
| 01:12.12 | nsadmin | in this case, the person is asking about debian and/or running it now |
| 01:12.16 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 01:12.43 | juso | I don't even know what you are talking about, lol - nevermind i guess |
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| 01:13.15 | nsadmin | so you;re not (a) asking about debian or (b) running it now? |
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| 01:13.25 | juso | both. |
| 01:13.31 | juso | i AM |
| 01:13.42 | juso | a) and b) |
| 01:13.44 | soapie | I think maybe if you have software that you *need* to run but it won't run on debian, then you should just dual boot or get a cheap machine to run it on, etc |
| 01:13.46 | Abddu | juso: I think nsadmin was generally answering my remark about advertising Debian. :) |
| 01:13.47 | nsadmin | oh ok, so a and b |
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| 01:14.23 | juso | Abddu, ohh okay. |
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| 01:14.30 | juso | Didn't catch that one. |
| 01:14.33 | nsadmin | soapie, that's a reasonable good choice |
| 01:14.51 | soapie | I don't really see the issue here.. tbh |
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| 01:15.16 | nsadmin | juso, and more specifically, you're asking about whether debian supports particular hardware you have? |
| 01:15.24 | juso | Well at what point do you just use a whole different OS in the case of certain software not running on linux, is my main question. |
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| 01:15.48 | soapie | everything I need runs fine on linux, but needs vary |
| 01:16.03 | juso | nsadmin, im not asking any technically questions, just a question of what people do in certain circumstances. |
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| 01:16.31 | soapie | if i have something I specifically need windows to run I have an old cranky gateway I run it on |
| 01:16.38 | MrFrood | juso: at no point, Debian linux has spftware to meet my requirments and my hardware |
| 01:16.59 | _ARMA_ | g'night |
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| 01:17.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | i use a diferent os when i play with the Wii or my phon e;) |
| 01:17.23 | juso | Ok will I use an iphone and I like gaming, I always shoot video/photos with my canon and the remote software doesnt run on linux. |
| 01:17.31 | juso | so just throwing my case out there.. |
| 01:17.34 | nsadmin | juso, usually a systems analyst would determine what the client wants to do and chooses software that directly supports that and (where appropriate) works well together. -after- making that choice, the os is chosen followed last by the hardware. |
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| 01:18.34 | nsadmin | juso, the canon doesn't act like a hd when you plug in the usb cable? |
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| 01:19.02 | juso | nsadmin, yes it doesn't but the remote software control the camera to take pics/video from computer. |
| 01:19.25 | nsadmin | oic |
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| 01:19.43 | juso | so this is just randoms in my case where linux isnt the best so im asking if you guys some into cases like this and maybe use 2 OS's |
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| 01:19.56 | juso | come into* |
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| 01:20.30 | nevyn | juso: so everything in my house now runs debian or ubuntu (and the ubuntu was a mistake and being removed) |
| 01:20.39 | nsadmin | juso, maybe if you have a fast/powerful enough desktop where the cpu has virtualization, you could run multiple oses at the same time |
| 01:20.55 | juso | nevyn, you are saying, thats what I said? |
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| 01:21.29 | Abddu | Well, yes, I use 2 OSs, Windows for Adobe thingies and games and linux for the rest. Recently though I tend to use a virtual Windows for that, so my linux is always on. |
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| 01:21.36 | nevyn | juso: sometimes there is software I kinda want to run for a specific task (like odin for my phone) I borrow a windows machine or do it on the work system |
| 01:21.36 | juso | oh sorry, i misread the debain being removeed part lol |
| 01:22.35 | juso | nevyn, yeah I agree - i had similar issue where i just used someone elses machine but then the issues got bigger and bigger, lol |
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| 01:23.34 | MrFrood | One of the main reasons I use Debain and not commercial operating systems is philisophical so using virtualization to run a commecial O/S would be unaceptable to me |
| 01:23.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/commercial/proprietary? |
| 01:24.21 | MrFrood | Kamping_Kaiser: every here knows my spelling is crap :P |
| 01:24.37 | MrFrood | as is my typing |
| 01:24.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | MrFrood: hehe :) |
| 01:24.50 | nsadmin | aptitude install typist |
| 01:24.59 | nsadmin | that will go away REALLY fast |
| 01:25.35 | MrFrood | nsadmin: more not use a keyboard that dates from the 1980's and supports XT's |
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| 01:26.13 | nsadmin | \those are nice heavy never-break-in-your-lifetime keyboards tho |
| 01:26.22 | MrFrood | :D |
| 01:26.53 | lastnode | can someone direct me to a guide on installing deb on androids? (samsung galaxy s specifically) i dont want to dual boot or boot from anroid, i want to replace android |
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| 01:27.13 | bw123 | my hardware won't work on linux because I'm too lazy to figure it out |
| 01:27.14 | nsadmin | you probably don't want to do that |
| 01:27.19 | juso | at work, i've had linux since 1999 - but at home I gotta mix it up with gaming and iphone, got a htpc also - i might switch over to linux |
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| 01:27.28 | MrFrood | lastnode: try #debian-arm on oftc |
| 01:27.31 | lastnode | thanks |
| 01:27.33 | dvs | bw123: #ubuntu ;--) |
| 01:28.16 | bw123 | dvs: never tried it, I used knoppix awhile though |
| 01:28.24 | juso | bw123, was that an attempt at a joke? |
| 01:28.34 | nsadmin | lastnode, make sure you back up the internal storage of the android |
| 01:28.37 | juso | or serious. |
| 01:28.43 | lastnode | nsadmin: ok |
| 01:29.00 | lastnode | just pissed at this location tracking crap |
| 01:29.02 | lastnode | from google |
| 01:29.03 | nsadmin | maybe debian can't make phone calls |
| 01:29.11 | lastnode | yeah that would be a problem |
| 01:29.11 | lastnode | haha |
| 01:29.16 | lastnode | just doing my research |
| 01:29.17 | bw123 | juso: nah a joke is like where do cows like to go for fun? the mooseum |
| 01:29.28 | lastnode | im waiting for the day someone makes a mass market open spec phone |
| 01:29.40 | nsadmin | according to Jay Leno on the Tonite Show, it would have that in common with iPhone |
| 01:29.42 | lastnode | in short, waiting for hell to freeze over |
| 01:30.14 | nsadmin | lastnode, android os is pretty open |
| 01:30.46 | juso | bw123: or a joke would also be, saying someone is to lazy to figure out why hardware doesn't work correctly in one OS, but works perfectly fine in another OS - id go with the other OS if it happens frequently thats for sure. |
| 01:30.47 | nsadmin | you can get everything you need to write apps for free (other than hardware) |
| 01:30.53 | lastnode | it is, but why should i install patches to block google's location tracking crap |
| 01:31.00 | nevyn | lastnode: you want to replace android with debian? |
| 01:31.03 | lastnode | if i can just install a distro that i trust |
| 01:31.04 | lastnode | yes |
| 01:31.10 | lastnode | because id trust DDs any day |
| 01:31.21 | lastnode | over google programmers who put in shit like taht and later go |
| 01:31.22 | lastnode | oopseies! |
| 01:31.22 | nevyn | lastnode: right. I get what you're saying in terms of trust. |
| 01:31.24 | nevyn | but. |
| 01:31.26 | lastnode | yeah we were tracking you |
| 01:31.30 | lastnode | lol sry |
| 01:31.54 | MrFrood | forces everyone to use CP/M for the next week :-P |
| 01:31.57 | nevyn | so I moved my SGS to CM7 which is built from source and has a community process around it. |
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| 01:32.31 | nevyn | lastnode: debian doesn't support the hardware in the phone (stock linux doesn't support the hardware in the phone) |
| 01:32.35 | nsadmin | and accidentally gave the tracking info to Homeland Security |
| 01:32.37 | lastnode | :( |
| 01:32.39 | nsadmin | OOPS! |
| 01:32.43 | juso | whats a good terminal with split screen ability, nowadays? |
| 01:32.53 | lastnode | that's what im gathering, nevyn |
| 01:33.00 | nsadmin | any terminal |
| 01:33.02 | MrFrood | juso: try dvtm |
| 01:33.08 | nsadmin | you can install splitvt |
| 01:33.16 | nevyn | lastnode: but CM7 nightlys are awesome if you're prepared to be a little bleeding edge ;) |
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| 01:33.45 | lastnode | nevyn: same problem though |
| 01:33.49 | nsadmin | but you don't really need splitvt since you can fire up multiple shell windows |
| 01:33.55 | lastnode | i trust debian bc of who they are, the DSFG etc. |
| 01:33.55 | nevyn | lastnode: less so. |
| 01:33.59 | lastnode | i dont know CM at all |
| 01:34.17 | lastnode | i geuss community > google though |
| 01:34.34 | nevyn | the cm guys are a little more pragmatic and it is real open source developement |
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| 01:35.00 | nevyn | so the current situation with phones is that kernel binary blobs are just a fact of life. |
| 01:35.05 | lastnode | trust google to make us begin using adjectives before open source |
| 01:35.06 | lastnode | lol |
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| 01:35.09 | nevyn | it's crap. but that's life. |
| 01:35.43 | nevyn | lastnode: apple started it with webkit |
| 01:35.59 | nevyn | and a bunch of android hardware dev's are doing bodgy stuff. |
| 01:36.01 | lastnode | but but but OSX Is made on OPEN SOURCE techology |
| 01:36.38 | lastnode | ok im gonna try cynogen |
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| 01:37.04 | nevyn | lastnode: /join #cmsgs if you want to chat about it. |
| 01:37.08 | CarlFK | what's the kernel append to drop into single user ? |
| 01:37.16 | Rienzilla | 1 |
| 01:37.19 | nevyn | lastnode: oh there IS no stable release for SGS I9000 yet. |
| 01:37.28 | Rienzilla | CarlFK: 1 |
| 01:37.42 | lastnode | stable = boring |
| 01:37.43 | CarlFK | Rienzilla: so like this: root=/dev/sda1 ro 1 |
| 01:37.50 | Rienzilla | I think so, yes |
| 01:38.13 | CarlFK | thought it was init=1, but that gave me "can' |
| 01:38.23 | CarlFK | thought it was init=1, but that gave me "can't find 1" so lets try just 1... |
| 01:38.41 | CarlFK | Rienzilla: yep, 1 it is. thanks |
| 01:38.47 | Rienzilla | init= defines what program to use as init |
| 01:39.08 | Rienzilla | (so one could for example use init=/bin/sh to drop to a shell immediately after the kernel has booted) |
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| 01:39.29 | Rienzilla | np |
| 01:41.03 | nsadmin | lastnode, but stable is what you get debian for, primarily |
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| 01:48.22 | owner | Is the login thing a GDM theme? |
| 01:48.44 | nevyn | login thing? |
| 01:48.55 | nevyn | lastnode: speak for yourself |
| 01:48.57 | owner | owner ya when you log in to debian in the GUI |
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| 01:49.05 | nevyn | nsadmin: speak for yourself even |
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| 01:49.19 | nevyn | owner: it might be a gdm theme |
| 01:49.30 | nevyn | owner: it could also be xdm or kdm |
| 01:49.37 | nevyn | depends what you installed. |
| 01:49.44 | owner | I installed defaults |
| 01:50.29 | nevyn | then I think it's gdm but I don't know I've never done anything other than a minimal install |
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| 01:51.26 | owner | Ok it's using GDM3 now I just have to figure out where the theme is. |
| 01:52.31 | ion_ | anyone knows any text editor with support for COBOL. |
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| 01:52.55 | MrFrood | TECO ? :P |
| 01:53.48 | jhutchins_lt | owner: Yep. |
| 01:54.02 | jhutchins_lt | ion_: vi |
| 01:54.07 | jhutchins_lt | ion_: vim actually. |
| 01:54.20 | jhutchins_lt | ion_: I'm sure emacs has something. |
| 01:54.49 | jhutchins_lt | ion_: Might one ask why? Do you have a time portal to 1977? |
| 01:54.53 | nevyn | ion_: vim, emacs, |
| 01:55.06 | MrFrood | thinks COBOL is the language of the future |
| 01:55.13 | nevyn | agrees |
| 01:55.23 | newl | ion_: check out /usr/local/share/vim/syntax/cobol.vim |
| 01:55.25 | nevyn | there's nothing else as auditable. |
| 01:55.33 | jhutchins_lt | will stick with his RPG patch panels. |
| 01:55.46 | newl | the future is y2k ;) big bucks |
| 01:55.48 | gnarface | nevyn: *cough* COMMODORE BASIC *cough* |
| 01:56.06 | nevyn | gnarface: peek 0x34 is really auditable. |
| 01:56.12 | WormFood | my mom got a job in 1999 because of her COBOL programming skills, and the big Y2K scare....so COBOL is still used in legacy apps |
| 01:56.27 | gnarface | nevyn: well there's no mistaking what it does |
| 01:56.41 | nevyn | and pick basic is alive and well in many enterprises terrifyingly |
| 01:56.58 | nevyn | programming languages never die they're just emulated on newer computers. |
| 01:57.05 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Hundreds of jobs here in Kansas City maintaining legacy code. Unfortunately, thousands of COBOL programmers left over from y2k. |
| 01:57.13 | gnarface | nevyn: so what if "what it does" is make you have to know the hardware like the back of your hand. this is about auditable software, not auditable hardware, right? |
| 01:57.20 | MrFrood | forces everyone to use ansi baic for the next week |
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| 01:57.24 | newl | lunar lander is still written in qbasic |
| 01:57.30 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: The insurance companies and other financial institutions use legacy code. |
| 01:57.49 | WormFood | yeah, there are lots of that legacy code still hanging around |
| 01:58.04 | jhutchins_lt | newl: Lunar Lander is like five lines of APL. (I think we got it down to three but we cheated.) |
| 01:58.15 | WormFood | and the Y2K thing was interesting...what would have happened if people didn't make a big deal out of it? |
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| 01:58.27 | nevyn | WormFood: bad things |
| 01:58.33 | WormFood | I think so too nevyn |
| 01:59.01 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: I had a CS prof from the University of Kansas tell a group that our microwaves might kill us all! Seriously. I walked out. |
| 01:59.03 | nevyn | WormFood: particularly with pay and banking systems |
| 01:59.04 | WormFood | a lot of people I know (not computer people) say it was nothing, a hoax, not a real problem....and I tell them they're wrong, it had the potential to be a huge problem |
| 01:59.17 | ion_ | jhutchins_lt: well, different from many people think theres a huge market for cobol in nowdays..many big companies and banks use cobol..and I'm stundying this at the uni now. |
| 01:59.23 | nevyn | WormFood: but there was an ammount of hysteria |
| 01:59.31 | MrFrood | sends WormFood to http://www.twenex.org/ where WormFood can write COBOL and ANSI BASIC using TECO |
| 01:59.32 | newl | jhutchins_lt: apl is still the only computer that has the 'execute' capability |
| 01:59.47 | newl | /s/computer/computer language/ |
| 01:59.50 | nevyn | ion_: many banks are moving stuff to java with bignum |
| 02:00.15 | jhutchins_lt | ion_: Yeah, the banks, insurance companies, a lot of them that went to computers early coded everything in COBOL. It was a good tool for the job at the time, and they can't afford to go back and start from scratch in something more modern. |
| 02:00.20 | WormFood | MrFrood, I don't program in those languages. My mom knows COBOL. I quit programming in basic back in the 1980s |
| 02:00.41 | jhutchins_lt | The other big legacy is DEC VMS for databases. Planetary ones. |
| 02:00.57 | MrFrood | WormFood: never to late to start |
| 02:01.26 | WormFood | I think I'd rather shove splinters of bamboo under my fingernails, thanks anyways. |
| 02:01.44 | Qation | Can anyone tell me how to make a removeable device not read-only? |
| 02:01.51 | ion_ | nevyn: yeah I know they start to use java but believe me now many are doing it |
| 02:02.01 | MrFrood | WormFood: go on --- program like it's 1977 :p |
| 02:02.02 | jhutchins_lt | In any case, *AHEM*, we now return to the lovely silence of Debian support. (We can continue in #debian-offtopic). |
| 02:02.20 | Abddu | Installing testing-i386-netinst right now. It asked me to insert "Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20110519-22:58" CD. I can't even find it (not to emntion I didn't expect a netinst to ask for any additional CDs). Where can I find it? |
| 02:02.25 | WormFood | Qation, on your floppy disk, there is a little switch that you can flip to make the disk read/write, instead of read-only |
| 02:03.00 | Qation | WormFood: Its a external harddrive |
| 02:03.00 | ion_ | jhutchins_lt:the cost and the risk is to high for them ... |
| 02:03.02 | Qation | an* |
| 02:03.23 | MrFrood | thinks WormFood is refering to microdiscs not floppy disks :P |
| 02:03.29 | Qation | Its a fstab problem isn't it? |
| 02:03.32 | WormFood | mount -o remount,rw /mnt/whatever |
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| 02:03.49 | WormFood | it probably isn't a problem at all |
| 02:04.04 | WormFood | it is probably that things aren't configured the way you want them to be configured :P |
| 02:04.25 | Qation | Yeah, not a problem for the computer but for me I guess |
| 02:04.30 | jhutchins_lt | !ntfsrw |
| 02:04.30 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also Debian bug #508982). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 02:04.40 | Qation | for the /mnt/whatever should i put /dev/sdb1? |
| 02:04.52 | owner | finding the debian GDM theme is like finding a needle in a haystack |
| 02:04.52 | WormFood | well, a problem would suggest that is isn't working the way it is supposed to work, where I'm suggesting it is working right, just not configured the way you want. |
| 02:05.16 | jhutchins_lt | !user accessible ntfs |
| 02:05.16 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 02:05.18 | WormFood | owner, what is harder, is finding hay in a needlestack |
| 02:05.57 | owner | I think (don't know for sure) it's in /usr/share/splashy/themes/spacefun |
| 02:06.08 | Qation | WormFood: What is the last part of that line doing? the /mnt/ |
| 02:06.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont think thats it |
| 02:06.15 | Qation | I'm not sure what you mean by that |
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| 02:06.28 | owner | I found a theme in /usr/share/gdm but it's in a format that can't be extracted. |
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| 02:06.36 | Arrowmaster | owner: /usr/share/gdm/themes/debian-spacefun |
| 02:06.37 | WormFood | Qation, read the man page for mount....that would be some mount point for your filesystem...could also be /media/blah |
| 02:06.53 | Qation | Well I usually use /media |
| 02:07.02 | WormFood | actually, it can be anywhere, I've just given the most likely locations with /mnt and /mount |
| 02:07.05 | WormFood | er, I mean /media |
| 02:07.24 | Qation | yeah, i usually do just mount /dev/sdb1 /media |
| 02:07.41 | WormFood | probably not a good idea |
| 02:07.52 | owner | Arrowmaster hmmm that's funny I have no themes folder in that directory |
| 02:07.56 | WormFood | debian uses /mount/* as automount points |
| 02:08.06 | Qation | Oh |
| 02:08.06 | newl | Qation: what doeseth mount and/or df show |
| 02:08.10 | WormFood | to manually mount it, I suggest you do it in /mnt/ |
| 02:08.27 | owner | Arrowmaster I have a themes file that can't be extracted |
| 02:08.29 | newl | or /sd :) |
| 02:08.31 | Arrowmaster | owner: oh thats probably because im still using gdm and not gdm3 |
| 02:08.42 | un214 | /mnt is for local use |
| 02:08.49 | nsadmin | where does wine put C: if it's not given one? |
| 02:08.51 | Qation | newl: this is what mount returns http://pastie.org/1929700 |
| 02:08.58 | un214 | ~/.wine/drive_c |
| 02:09.06 | nsadmin | thanks |
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| 02:09.15 | Qation | Although the removable device is unmounted right now |
| 02:09.16 | Arrowmaster | owner: what about /usr/share/plymouth/themes/spacefun |
| 02:09.43 | owner | Arrowmaster that's not for the login and plymouth isn't even installed. |
| 02:09.46 | newl | /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) |
| 02:09.52 | WormFood | I always thought a pastie was the things the girls put over their nipples, so they can go topless without breaking the topless laws some places have |
| 02:09.55 | newl | is that what you want? |
| 02:09.57 | WormFood | clicks on the link |
| 02:10.14 | WormFood | darn! not what I was expecting |
| 02:10.22 | Qation | No sda1 is my HDD |
| 02:10.28 | owner | Arrowmaster the theme is there even though Plymouth is not installed |
| 02:10.42 | Qation | I'm trying to mount my external usb harddrive which is sdc1 as writable |
| 02:10.55 | WormFood | Qation, what filesystem is it formatted as? |
| 02:11.16 | Qation | I'm not exactly sure, is there a quick way to check? |
| 02:11.26 | WormFood | mount will tell you after it is mounted |
| 02:11.39 | Abddu | Installer wants "Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20110519-22:58" - where can I find this CD for download? |
| 02:11.51 | Qation | WormFood: it returns mount: can't find /mnt in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 02:11.54 | newl | you have sdb1? put something like this into /etc/fstab then mkdir /sd and then type mount /sd |
| 02:11.58 | newl | /dev/sdb1 /sd auto noauto,exec,sync,users,noatime 0 0 |
| 02:12.03 | Qation | after i did mount -o remount,rw /mnt |
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| 02:12.18 | owner | Maybe I should uninstall gdm3 and install gdm? |
| 02:12.49 | WormFood | Qation, read the man page, and get familiar with "mount" |
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| 02:13.12 | owner | WormFood is that the man page for husbands? |
| 02:13.24 | WormFood | for lovers |
| 02:14.48 | WormFood | Qation, you should not be blindly typing in commands without understanding them....read the man page to understand the syntax....what I gave you was an example, that needs to have the path replaced with your real mount point. |
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| 02:15.32 | WormFood | what if I told you to type in "rm -rf /", would you do it? I hope not....while I've not given you anything bad, I have seen people trash their system by blindly typing in stuff they had no clue about |
| 02:16.16 | Qation | WormFood: I'm not that much of a beginner |
| 02:16.33 | Qation | But I see what you mean |
| 02:17.11 | nsadmin | good thing to check man pages on commands if you're unsure of what they do |
| 02:17.38 | nsadmin | or how powerful they can be with certain options specified |
| 02:18.21 | nsadmin | rm without -r or -f would only remove the file you specified, for example |
| 02:18.42 | nsadmin | and would not go inside dirs |
| 02:19.11 | Qation | Really what I'm trying to do is just move a backup of my home directory to that harddrive so I can resize some of my partitions |
| 02:19.49 | Qation | with lvextend and lvreduce |
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| 02:20.22 | WormFood | then you really need a file system that will preserve permission and ownership |
| 02:20.38 | nsadmin | what form is the backup in? a tar.gz? |
| 02:20.47 | Qation | yes |
| 02:20.55 | phantomcircuit | hmm |
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| 02:21.05 | nsadmin | tar should preserve those things by default |
| 02:21.15 | Qation | What do you mean? |
| 02:21.25 | phantomcircuit | ok so afaict the mediawiki package only supports running a site wide instance, so i cant use the package to run a per virtual host mediawiki |
| 02:21.27 | phantomcircuit | that's unfortuante |
| 02:21.29 | nsadmin | you say your backup is a tar file? |
| 02:21.44 | Qation | Yes .tar.gz |
| 02:21.53 | Qation | of my home directory |
| 02:22.11 | nsadmin | ok, do you have a place big enough to move it to temporarily? |
| 02:22.33 | Qation | well right now its in my home directory because thats the only place it will fit |
| 02:22.38 | Qation | its 30 gigs I think |
| 02:22.41 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 02:23.04 | nsadmin | is your /home an lv? |
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| 02:23.21 | Qation | yeah all my partitions are |
| 02:23.31 | Qation | I need to make my root partition bigger |
| 02:23.36 | nsadmin | are they all on the same vg? |
| 02:23.42 | nsadmin | why so? |
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| 02:23.59 | Qation | I'm running low on space |
| 02:24.06 | ^jamie^ | hihi |
| 02:24.19 | Qation | and I think its preventing me from installing the newest ati catalyst drivers |
| 02:24.22 | nsadmin | how much space remains unused in the vg? |
| 02:24.46 | Qation | I think its all used |
| 02:24.56 | Qation | so I'm going to shrink the /home |
| 02:25.17 | nsadmin | how much free space in /home? |
| 02:25.21 | nsadmin | enough? |
| 02:25.25 | Qation | Yeah alot |
| 02:25.35 | Qation | I have a 640 gig hdd |
| 02:25.41 | Qation | and I think about 500 free |
| 02:25.58 | nsadmin | 500 g?? |
| 02:26.20 | Qation | well actaully 471 yes |
| 02:26.32 | nsadmin | ok, so it should be easy |
| 02:26.53 | Qation | It wouldn't erase any data right? |
| 02:27.09 | nsadmin | you do have a backup... |
| 02:27.12 | Qation | Yeah |
| 02:27.17 | Qation | the .tar.gz one |
| 02:27.22 | Qation | that I'm trying to get onto an external hdd |
| 02:27.35 | Qation | but I cant mount it as writable |
| 02:27.40 | nsadmin | oh... how's that going? |
| 02:27.54 | nsadmin | you're trying to mount it as root? |
| 02:28.00 | Qation | Yes |
| 02:28.13 | Qation | should I override options with mount? |
| 02:28.17 | newl | nsadmin: it would probably go better for him if he would follow advice |
| 02:28.31 | Qation | like could I do mount -o rw? |
| 02:28.40 | Qation | like could I do mount -o rw? /dev/sdc1 /mnt? |
| 02:28.43 | nsadmin | you could try |
| 02:28.57 | nsadmin | newl: what advice has he been given? |
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| 02:29.12 | newl | tons and tons |
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| 02:29.41 | Qation | That still hasn't worked. |
| 02:29.46 | Qation | Its mounted fine |
| 02:29.55 | Qation | but still as read-only |
| 02:30.15 | newl | then move the read only 'safety switch |
| 02:30.26 | nsadmin | try mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdc1 /mnt |
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| 02:30.58 | nsadmin | does the drive have some sort of rw/ro jumper? |
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| 02:31.21 | Qation | Um |
| 02:31.35 | Qation | It looks like theres something that should mean it |
| 02:31.38 | Qation | Its a lock symbol |
| 02:31.40 | Qation | but just a hole |
| 02:31.45 | Qation | not a switch |
| 02:32.00 | nsadmin | on the bare drive? never seen that |
| 02:32.16 | Qation | No its an external so it has a platic case |
| 02:32.35 | nsadmin | and this hole is on the case? |
| 02:32.40 | Qation | Should it be on the actual drive itself? |
| 02:32.52 | nsadmin | dunno, like I said, never seen that |
| 02:33.30 | ^jamie^ | I need info on debian power saving |
| 02:33.33 | nsadmin | but, I usually buy drives and enclosures separately |
| 02:34.02 | phantomcircuit | im guessing it's an error that i ahve postgresql 8.3 and 8.4 runnign at the same time... |
| 02:34.08 | nsadmin | ^jamie^, /msg dpkg sicco and /msg dpkg ask |
| 02:34.11 | Qation | nsadmin: The command you suggested returns "you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 02:34.26 | Qation | So I need a -t switch or something? |
| 02:34.32 | nsadmin | oh, maybe the external isn't formatted |
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| 02:34.51 | Qation | Its not really been in use with any linux system I dont think |
| 02:35.05 | nsadmin | describe how you've used this external |
| 02:35.40 | nsadmin | just randomDriveFromFloorOfDustyBasement? |
| 02:35.40 | Qation | Well its my Mom's so shes used it on her Mac I'm sure... |
| 02:35.52 | Qation | It may have been used on a windows machine |
| 02:36.02 | Qation | Its not very old |
| 02:36.07 | nsadmin | oh, could be formatted with mac |
| 02:36.25 | nsadmin | describe what your mom expects of this drive |
| 02:36.27 | Qation | Would reformatting it erase data? |
| 02:36.33 | nsadmin | (if you don't know, ask her) |
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| 02:36.49 | nsadmin | yes, will wipe it clean |
| 02:36.52 | Qation | well its just used as a back-up |
| 02:37.02 | Qation | for pictures documents |
| 02:37.08 | Qation | music |
| 02:37.13 | newl | phantomcircuit: does ps -efww show that |
| 02:37.23 | Qation | Damn that sucks |
| 02:37.32 | nsadmin | ok, so does your mom have those things confidently? |
| 02:37.39 | Qation | so if I want to use it, I need to format it? |
| 02:37.44 | nsadmin | does she have another backup as well? |
| 02:37.52 | phantomcircuit | newl, yes both are running concurrently |
| 02:37.55 | Qation | I don't think she would be okay with the drive being erased |
| 02:38.05 | newl | phantomcircuit: on different ports? |
| 02:38.10 | nsadmin | if you want to format it you should tell her |
| 02:38.21 | Qation | Do I need to? |
| 02:38.29 | Qation | to mount it as writeable? |
| 02:38.46 | newl | lol |
| 02:38.49 | nsadmin | or find out what filesystem it's already formatted as |
| 02:38.51 | phantomcircuit | newl, ah yes they are, neat |
| 02:38.54 | ^jamie^ | I'm running Debian on a HP thin client which originally shipped with a stripped-down HP distro. Running the HP distro, the unit runs cool and consumes 12watts. Running Debian, it gets hot and consumes 14watts. |
| 02:38.55 | ^jamie^ | ...I only need Debian as a samba, dircproxy and apache server (no X or anything) so, what can I configure or disable in Debian to reduce the power consumption and operating temperature of the HP thin client? |
| 02:39.00 | phantomcircuit | newl, why the fuck is that though? |
| 02:39.02 | phantomcircuit | er |
| 02:39.03 | phantomcircuit | i mean |
| 02:39.11 | phantomcircuit | newl, how can i tell what pulled in 8.3 |
| 02:39.20 | newl | automatic update? |
| 02:39.25 | Qation | Apple would probably use a proprietary file system though |
| 02:39.35 | dvs | Qation: fdisk -l |
| 02:39.41 | nsadmin | the though is that because of a theramin |
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| 02:40.09 | _ARMA_ | do you know a well document (with screenshots) about how to install debian next to win7? |
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| 02:40.15 | phantomcircuit | newl, what? 8.3 is the older version |
| 02:40.26 | nsadmin | of what, pg? |
| 02:40.56 | Qation | http://pastie.org/1929784 fdsik -l|grep sdc returns this |
| 02:41.39 | dvs | Why grep it with sdc? |
| 02:41.48 | Qation | thats the drive I want to use |
| 02:42.10 | dvs | Qation: fdisk -l /dev/sdc |
| 02:42.39 | Qation | Doesnt return anything |
| 02:42.47 | Qation | So is it not formatted? |
| 02:42.59 | dvs | Qation: it should return something |
| 02:43.03 | phantomcircuit | newl, that is awefully confusing :| |
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| 02:43.59 | Qation | wait |
| 02:44.15 | Qation | Okay |
| 02:44.39 | Qation | http://pastie.org/1929795 |
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| 02:44.48 | Qation | So its a HPFS/NTFS ? |
| 02:44.53 | Qation | filesystem |
| 02:45.13 | dvs | yup |
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| 02:45.58 | Qation | Would this work? 'mount -o remount,rw -t NTFS /dev/sdc1 /mnt' |
| 02:47.10 | Qation | Damn... |
| 02:47.12 | nsadmin | if its an ntfs partition... |
| 02:47.13 | somiaj | Qation: look at the ntfs-3g package if you want write support for ntfs. Its not default in the standard ntfs driver I belive. |
| 02:47.21 | nsadmin | but macs don't use ntfs |
| 02:47.22 | Qation | Oh |
| 02:47.47 | somiaj | yea if its not ntfs, and htfs instead don't worry about that package. |
| 02:47.48 | Qation | Does windows? |
| 02:47.57 | somiaj | ntfs is the default windows nt file system |
| 02:48.25 | Qation | then it must be from before my Mom got a mac. |
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| 02:49.39 | Qation | I think "mount -o rw -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt' worked |
| 02:49.49 | Qation | I'm copying the file |
| 02:49.54 | Qation | it will probably take a while though |
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| 02:50.21 | Hydrant_ | hey all.. I'm trying to figure out where to file a bug... I'm getting a strange backtrace from a kernel driver (mt) so I assume the kernel package ? |
| 02:50.25 | _ARMA_ | I want to install Debian without removing Windows. can you please show me a good document to do it? I need screenshots. |
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| 02:50.42 | newl | use mount to see if you actually mounted it and not just copying into /mnt |
| 02:51.04 | newl | _ARMA_: do you have gb of free space |
| 02:51.25 | newl | best to prep your windows system first - just a simple defrag would do it |
| 02:51.26 | Qation | mount has this line /dev/sdc1 on /mnt type fuseblk (rw,allow_other,blksize=4096) |
| 02:51.27 | _ARMA_ | newl: I have only windows installed on the entire hdd. |
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| 02:52.01 | somiaj | _ARMA_: you will have to look into repartitioning your system so you have a place on the hd to install debian |
| 02:52.25 | newl | somiaj: doesn't debian install do that automatically? |
| 02:52.33 | somiaj | _ARMA_: so the first thing is look for a partition resizing tool so you can rezie you current partition and then leave yourself some blank space for linux. |
| 02:52.34 | _ARMA_ | somiaj: after doing that, it will work with Debian's net installer? |
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| 02:53.22 | somiaj | newl: I didn't know debian installer now had partition resizing tools -- it can parition your drive but not sure about resizing and keeping the windows data intact. I would use a partition resizing tool before the install |
| 02:53.32 | Qation | Does anyone here use the ATI Proprietary drivers and not being able to play games that use OpenGL? |
| 02:53.36 | somiaj | _ARMA_: sure just be sure you tell the installer to use the blank space/partition you make for it. |
| 02:54.04 | _ARMA_ | ok then. let me look for it. |
| 02:54.06 | _ARMA_ | thanks. |
| 02:54.14 | newl | even mandriva has the resizing in the installer |
| 02:54.47 | dvs | I thought there was a repartitioner built into Windows 7 |
| 02:54.57 | somiaj | newl: I haven't used a debian installer in 8 years ago when I installed this system. I usually just use debootstrap myself. I just wouldn't trust linux fro resizing ntfs partitions. |
| 02:55.09 | somiaj | newl: it might have one now. |
| 02:55.20 | phantomcircuit | lol i cant stop 8.3 with the init.d script |
| 02:55.22 | phantomcircuit | what gives man |
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| 02:57.41 | newl | somiaj: lol there is ntfsresize now - |
| 02:58.50 | _ARMA_ | somiaj: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Create-and-format-a-hard-disk-partition << they say here how to resize the hdd, but I have only C:\ and windows installed on it. No D:\ or F:\ so, how can I resize the C:\ without removing the Windows 7? |
| 02:59.15 | newl | somiaj: but in this case - best for him to do it in windows |
| 02:59.35 | ectospasm | _ARMA_: you'll have to resize it in Computer Management/Disk Management |
| 02:59.42 | ectospasm | there's the option to shrink a volume |
| 02:59.52 | somiaj | _ARMA_: you want neither of those you don't want to 'create' or 'format' a partition, you want to 'resize' a partition. |
| 03:00.09 | epsilon | resizing is *always* a risk, all data on the whole dsc should be backupped. To resize, there's also gparted live CD |
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| 03:01.29 | epsilon | I recently shrinked XP/NTFS with gparted live and installed debian on free space, worked as expected and fine |
| 03:02.00 | somiaj | ahh didn't realize linux tools were to the point they could mess with partitions nicely....I'm still thinking ntfs-3g is new |
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| 03:03.36 | epsilon | na, the days "linux should mount NTFS in read-only" is over |
| 03:03.59 | epsilon | since -3g, NTFS is like any other FS in linux |
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| 03:04.28 | skamikaze | as it's fuse it's not like any other FS :P |
| 03:04.29 | somiaj | yea, but to me the ntfs-3g stabalized to recentally. But I guess to me recentally is within 1-2 debian releases. |
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| 03:07.40 | bw123 | boot up numlock on? |
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| 03:08.02 | somiaj | bw123: isn't that a bios option? |
| 03:08.18 | bw123 | yeh i don't know what is turning it off |
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| 03:08.55 | skamikaze | bw123: what desktop env? |
| 03:09.19 | bw123 | using fluxbox but it boots up to shell off too |
| 03:09.40 | _ARMA_ | ectospasm: I have 300GB hdd and windows now using approx 70GB of the hdd. but at the shrink option it says I can enter the amount of space to shrink in MB: 138003 |
| 03:10.25 | _ARMA_ | ectospasm: I was thinking to give 200GB to linux and 100GB to windows but I guess with this way I am going to have just 138GB for free space to install Debian? |
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| 03:10.58 | ectospasm | _ARMA_: it's probably because that 70GB is noncontiguous |
| 03:11.09 | ectospasm | _ARMA_: run a defrag on it and try again |
| 03:11.37 | somiaj | _ARMA_: linux should only need 20GB, so if you gave it 50-100 you'll be fine. Reall most of the space beyond 10-20GB (for installing tons of software) is just data and you can either make a third partition to hold that on or just mount your windows partition in your linux system. |
| 03:11.44 | ectospasm | _ARMA_: but, 138GB is plenty for Debian, depending on what you want to do with it |
| 03:12.14 | _ARMA_ | it's just I need Debian for my main system. |
| 03:12.27 | somiaj | _ARMA_: and I'm being generous with 20GB -- my current desktop install, the OS is only using 9GB, the rest is all just data. |
| 03:12.28 | _ARMA_ | windows for only Adobe products. |
| 03:12.47 | epsilon | fresh install with full desktop should only need like 5GB, additionally swap |
| 03:12.58 | wols_ | _ARMA_: but your linux programs aren't space hogs. Adobe projects and programs however are... |
| 03:13.01 | dvs | _ARMA_: It depends how much data you want to have |
| 03:13.22 | wols_ | also, data files like movies and other big size files you can easily store on the ntfs part of your diskn |
| 03:13.50 | _ARMA_ | ok but linux will have the big part. :) |
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| 03:14.11 | wols_ | it's not the disk size allocated that counts but the time spent in it :) |
| 03:14.31 | epsilon | then make it big - but remember adobe stuff often need cache space in windows partition if working with huge/many files |
| 03:14.46 | bw123 | !setleds |
| 03:15.28 | epsilon | optionally you could live 100GB free unpartitioned space on the disc, for later usage, once any partition is full |
| 03:15.44 | epsilon | then you can decide to use it for win or win&linux |
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| 03:16.12 | epsilon | eh, linux or win&linux |
| 03:16.14 | _ARMA_ | well, great ideas, but the problem is i don't know how to do them all together. |
| 03:16.34 | epsilon | never installed linux before? |
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| 03:17.37 | _ARMA_ | I tried 3-4 times, liked it very much. but I couldn't go far, stucked in the middle. i remember first day it took my 5-6 hours to install just a chat client. |
| 03:18.04 | _ARMA_ | before installations was on the entire system and easy. delete everything and install Debian. :) |
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| 03:19.41 | bw123 | _ARMA_ good idea |
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| 03:20.16 | Onryo | Looking a a brand now Sandy Bridge computer with an empty HD. Was just about to install Deb on it when it it hit me that 2.6.35 might not cut it for its GPU. Is this the case? |
| 03:20.17 | epsilon | for learning, I recommend to keep a separate HDD for linux only |
| 03:20.50 | dvs | Onryo: Sandy Bridge is probably too new for Debian |
| 03:21.07 | epsilon | Onryo: you will have 80x25 shell on HDTV |
| 03:21.38 | epsilon | I'd try with some live CD |
| 03:22.03 | CarlFK | how do I tell dbootstrap to use my squid proxy ? (I don't see an option like was suggested 2 hours ago) |
| 03:22.25 | nevyn | Onryo: it should still boot and install |
| 03:22.33 | nevyn | you just won't have access to the fancy gpufetures |
| 03:22.46 | nevyn | and you might need a newer kernel to make X go. |
| 03:23.56 | somiaj | what GPU? |
| 03:24.00 | Onryo | nevyn I was thinking the same. I mean I get from unstable linux-image-2.6.38-2-686 |
| 03:24.00 | Onryo | linux-headers-2.6.38-2-686 |
| 03:24.00 | Onryo | linux-headers-2.6.38-2-common |
| 03:24.00 | Onryo | linux-kbuild-2.6.38 |
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| 03:26.19 | Onryo | samiaj its the Graphics Unit. I like Intel because they help the linux community. Open code etc |
| 03:26.50 | skamikaze | Onryo: would use latest kernel with sandy bridge |
| 03:26.59 | skamikaze | (2.6.39 is out) |
| 03:27.01 | Onryo | skamikaze |
| 03:27.08 | Onryo | Yeah it sould |
| 03:27.10 | nevyn | skamikaze: but he can install with whatever. and then get a new kernel surely |
| 03:27.14 | Onryo | since 2.38 |
| 03:27.21 | skamikaze | Onryo: or even 2.6.38.6 |
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| 03:27.54 | Onryo | but I won't use a kernel from kernel.org. I hate not free code in my kernels. |
| 03:30.35 | somiaj | Onryo: ahh dont' nkow much about it. But I would assume it supports standards graphic protocls like vesa so you should be able to install a system and then upgrade the kernel/drivers to use the new GPUS |
| 03:30.49 | Onryo | Darn its not enough with just a kernel upgrade. I have to use libc6 for the 2.6.38.... looks like I am going to be using wheezy |
| 03:31.31 | Onryo | a libc6 is going to upgrade more or less everything if I am not mistaken. I hope I am. |
| 03:32.14 | skamikaze | or go for aptosid / archlinux |
| 03:32.15 | skamikaze | hides |
| 03:33.46 | Onryo | =P I kind of did think about that too. But Debian is my OS of choice for. I hate blobs and non-free code. I like solid systems etc. |
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| 03:34.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Onryo: arch has a hurd version, no blobs in that ;) |
| 03:35.22 | nevyn | Onryo: wheezy or sid |
| 03:35.34 | nevyn | has wheezy settled down these days? |
| 03:35.47 | nevyn | !wheezy |
| 03:35.47 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 03:36.37 | _ARMA_ | ok. |
| 03:37.07 | _ARMA_ | somiaj: after shrinking my hdd, there will be an unallocated space. |
| 03:37.22 | _ARMA_ | Debian's ne installer will see that while installing, right? |
| 03:37.27 | somiaj | _ARMA_: leave it as unallocated, you'll have to amek a swap partition and a main partitino from that |
| 03:37.37 | simonlnu | nevyn: somewhat yes. not so crazy now. |
| 03:37.39 | Onryo | Kamping_Kaiser yeah I guess Ill "take one for the team" and test out Wheezy. So Ill be ahead of the gang by 2 years...about the time it will take me to get things even half worked out =P |
| 03:37.45 | somiaj | _ARMA_: it will see the unallocated space, I belive you can just say parition/format unallocated space |
| 03:37.57 | _ARMA_ | ok then. |
| 03:38.02 | _ARMA_ | wish me luck. :) |
| 03:38.11 | simonlnu | it has the perl transition in place and done, e.g. |
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| 03:38.54 | Onryo | I know this sounds lame but is there a snapshot of wheezy out? |
| 03:39.25 | nevyn | there's probably a netinst wheezy disk? |
| 03:39.32 | nevyn | !sidusers |
| 03:39.33 | somiaj | Onryo: install a stable base system and upgrade |
| 03:40.44 | Onryo | somiaj yeah that is the "normal way" of doing it. But sure, way not. |
| 03:41.26 | nevyn | Onryo: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/daily-builds/ |
| 03:41.56 | nevyn | Onryo: oh and you almost certainly want amd64 rather than i386 |
| 03:42.10 | Onryo | nevyn THX |
| 03:43.20 | nevyn | Onryo: so there are also full weekly builds |
| 03:43.23 | nevyn | but I wouldn't bother |
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| 03:44.38 | Onryo | nevyn don't worry I will. You know Intel has all the source code needed to compile this for all the bling bling that GPU can give. |
| 03:44.48 | Onryo | and shares it |
| 03:45.27 | ectospasm | Purportedly so does ATi/AMD, but that doesn't mean the drivers are better |
| 03:45.42 | Onryo | lol so true. |
| 03:46.39 | nevyn | amd don't have keith on staff ;) |
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| 03:47.09 | Roasted | can you install zentyal on debian? |
| 03:47.23 | Onryo | Anyway thx for the info. It is 5:46 am here in Sweden. Been coding all night. Need to get a little sleep. Start work in 3 hours. |
| 03:48.14 | Onryo | Yeah I know my IP says I am in ... god knows where. Its the shell I use. gn...guys |
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| 03:54.05 | nsadmin | Roasted, why not? |
| 03:54.06 | zleslie | Hey, does anyone know what I would need to do to get 256 colors over ssh? |
| 03:54.15 | Roasted | nsadmin, I was just curious if you could. that's all. |
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| 03:54.37 | Roasted | nsadmin, on the site when I download it I get an ISO. I know it's included in ubuntu's software center so I was like, wait, how can I just get an rpm or deb of it? |
| 03:54.52 | nsadmin | zleslie, colors over ssh?? you'd need to have bandwidth in the sight range to do that |
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| 03:55.42 | nsadmin | Roasted, what is its license? |
| 03:55.46 | nsadmin | what does it do? |
| 03:55.49 | Roasted | nsadmin, open source |
| 03:55.52 | Roasted | nsadmin, ever hear of ebox? |
| 03:55.55 | phantomcircuit | ok i have postgresql-8.4 installed... but it wont start |
| 03:56.19 | nsadmin | phantomcircuit, you sure it isn't already started? |
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| 03:56.24 | nsadmin | why won't it start |
| 03:56.30 | Roasted | nsadmin, ebox = zentyal. new name. |
| 03:56.39 | phantomcircuit | nsadmin, yes and there is *no* error |
| 03:56.41 | nsadmin | what's ebox? |
| 03:56.57 | nsadmin | do you have other pgs installed |
| 03:57.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | Roasted: why the new name? |
| 03:57.13 | phantomcircuit | un postgresql-7.4 <none> (no description available) |
| 03:57.14 | phantomcircuit | un postgresql-8.0 <none> (no description available) |
| 03:57.14 | phantomcircuit | rc postgresql-8.3 8.3.14-0lenny1 object-relational SQL database, version 8.3 server |
| 03:57.14 | phantomcircuit | ii postgresql-8.4 8.4.7-0squeeze2 object-relational SQL database, version 8.4 server |
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| 03:57.18 | phantomcircuit | oops |
| 03:57.28 | phantomcircuit | rc postgresql-8.3 8.3.14-0lenny1 |
| 03:57.31 | phantomcircuit | what's the rc mean? |
| 03:57.49 | nsadmin | phantomcircuit, that only the config files remain |
| 03:58.08 | nsadmin | and in pg's case, also its database |
| 03:58.08 | phantomcircuit | ok so then i only have 8.4 installed |
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| 03:58.43 | nsadmin | su - ; su - postgres ; psql template1 |
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| 03:58.54 | nsadmin | ; == hit enter |
| 03:59.07 | phantomcircuit | nsadmin, postgresql isn't running so that doesn't work |
| 03:59.10 | phantomcircuit | (already tried it) |
| 03:59.43 | nsadmin | ok, as root /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4 stop |
| 03:59.52 | phantomcircuit | nsadmin, there is *no* output |
| 04:00.10 | phantomcircuit | it just runs then stops |
| 04:00.17 | phantomcircuit | no log for 8.4 in /var/log/postgresql either |
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| 04:00.38 | nsadmin | maybe /var/log/daemon.log |
| 04:00.57 | phantomcircuit | nope nothing in there for over an hour |
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| 04:01.57 | nsadmin | what's in /etc/default |
| 04:02.01 | phantomcircuit | nsadmin, the init.d script is broken |
| 04:02.13 | phantomcircuit | nothing in /var/log is changed except auth.log for sudo |
| 04:02.37 | nsadmin | what is it called? |
| 04:02.42 | phantomcircuit | postgresql |
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| 04:02.53 | phantomcircuit | nsadmin, there is no postgresql file iin /etc/default |
| 04:03.03 | phantomcircuit | acpid bootlogd devpts grub ifupdown nfs-common rcS rsyslog ssh useradd apache2 cron exim4 halt locale portmap rsync spamassassin tmpfs |
| 04:03.05 | nsadmin | that doesn't sound right. what other files starting with postgres are in that dir |
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| 04:03.13 | Edge226 | I am an archlinux user, I ordered a new box and I am wondering what would draw me away from archlinux about debian, what really makes it shine? |
| 04:03.25 | nsadmin | in /etc/init.d |
| 04:03.38 | phantomcircuit | nsadmin, just postgresql |
| 04:03.52 | dondelelcaro | phantomcircuit: the init script is broken in what way? |
| 04:03.56 | _ARMA_ | ectospasm: around? |
| 04:04.09 | nsadmin | what dist are you running? |
| 04:04.15 | phantomcircuit | dondelelcaro, it doesn't do anything at all afaict |
| 04:04.15 | dondelelcaro | phantomcircuit: if it doesn't do anything, that's most likely because you haven't created a pgcluster |
| 04:04.47 | dondelelcaro | phantomcircuit: pg_lsclusters |
| 04:04.49 | phantomcircuit | AH |
| 04:04.53 | phantomcircuit | sigh |
| 04:04.59 | phantomcircuit | dondelelcaro, thank you :P |
| 04:06.01 | dondelelcaro | normally the first time you install postgresql, it creates a cluster, but if you've done odd things, it may not do so (or you may not have upgraded a previously created cluster) |
| 04:06.12 | nsadmin | isn't a cluster created when pg is installed? |
| 04:06.24 | nsadmin | oh. done odd things. |
| 04:06.45 | phantomcircuit | dondelelcaro, yeah it's because this was 8.3->8.4 |
| 04:07.04 | dondelelcaro | phantomcircuit: and you probably removed postgresql-server-8.3 before you had upgraded the cluster... |
| 04:07.27 | dondelelcaro | (or something else) |
| 04:07.43 | nsadmin | you should probably dump the 8.3 db to a text file and load it into your 8.4 |
| 04:07.52 | dondelelcaro | nah |
| 04:07.55 | nsadmin | you would need an 8.3 installed to do that |
| 04:07.57 | dondelelcaro | just install postgresql-8.3 |
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| 04:08.06 | dondelelcaro | then do pg_upgradecluster |
| 04:08.11 | phantomcircuit | dondelelcaro, yeah i got aggrevated and acted rashly |
| 04:08.17 | nsadmin | who wrote that? |
| 04:08.31 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: Martin Pitt |
| 04:08.38 | nsadmin | do you still have data? |
| 04:08.59 | dondelelcaro | I do |
| 04:09.09 | phantomcircuit | nsadmin, also i already dumped to a .sql file just to be super safe |
| 04:09.14 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, I'm running an 800G postgresql database) |
| 04:09.14 | phantomcircuit | before i acted rashly of course |
| 04:09.26 | nsadmin | with pg_dumpall? |
| 04:09.29 | phantomcircuit | Error: could not get cluster default encoding |
| 04:09.30 | phantomcircuit | wat |
| 04:09.32 | phantomcircuit | nsadmin, yes |
| 04:09.46 | nsadmin | ok, it's probably loadable |
| 04:10.03 | nsadmin | is your data in the 8.4? |
| 04:10.21 | phantomcircuit | nope |
| 04:10.27 | nsadmin | do you care about your data? :) |
| 04:10.34 | nsadmin | that is |
| 04:10.35 | phantomcircuit | kind of |
| 04:10.43 | nsadmin | do you want it in the 8.4? |
| 04:10.49 | phantomcircuit | yeah |
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| 04:11.03 | phantomcircuit | mostly jsut cause i dont want to redo passwords... |
| 04:11.20 | nsadmin | well you -could- try reloading it |
| 04:11.34 | nsadmin | so there's not much data? |
| 04:11.56 | phantomcircuit | no not much |
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| 04:12.57 | nsadmin | hmm. do your passwords work at this point? |
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| 04:13.07 | phantomcircuit | no |
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| 04:13.22 | phantomcircuit | the pg_upgradecluster didn't run because of that default encoding error |
| 04:13.38 | nsadmin | oh, what encoding were you using |
| 04:13.45 | nsadmin | on the 8.3 |
| 04:14.35 | phantomcircuit | sudo -u postgres psql -d postgres -p 5432 < pg_dumpall.sql |
| 04:14.41 | phantomcircuit | thar |
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| 04:15.39 | phantomcircuit | BWAHAHAHAH |
| 04:15.40 | phantomcircuit | fixed |
| 04:15.43 | phantomcircuit | ok then |
| 04:15.49 | phantomcircuit | nsadmin, learn somethign new erryday |
| 04:16.51 | nsadmin | hmm... so it -was- running |
| 04:16.58 | nsadmin | is, too |
| 04:17.12 | nsadmin | well good enuf :) |
| 04:17.16 | phantomcircuit | nsadmin, no it wasn't, after i did pg_createcluster i was able to start it |
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| 04:17.49 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 04:22.09 | nsadmin | well good enuf :) |
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| 04:27.52 | BenNZ | hi , im having troubles mounting an external hd on boot , i have added an entry to fstab , and it works when i use sudo mount -a , so im am unsure why it wont mount at boot any ideas? |
| 04:29.12 | nsadmin | BenNZ, some driver not loaded when trying? |
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| 04:30.12 | BenNZ | nsadmin: could be, but it hasnt needed a driver before , its an externel usb |
| 04:30.42 | nsadmin | had you tried to mount a usb drive at boot before? |
| 04:30.56 | nsadmin | if no, maybe it's some usb driver |
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| 04:32.24 | BenNZ | nsadmin: i have and its worked perfectly, if i dont run sudo mount -a , it appears in thunar , but get an error message about not having the right privagles , even running thunar as root |
| 04:33.12 | BenNZ | nsadmin: then if i run suso mount -a , it works perfectly and all users have access |
| 04:33.15 | nsadmin | what is the first parameter on the fstab line in question? |
| 04:33.51 | BenNZ | nsadmin:UUID=37ba0161-f91b-4a94-bcdb-c3deaee1ae1d /mnt/Elements ext4 defaults 0 0 , this is the whole line |
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| 04:34.33 | nsadmin | hmm, could be the uuid is not present at the time it tries to mount |
| 04:34.48 | nsadmin | except that doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 04:35.04 | BenNZ | nsadmin: should i use /dev/sdb1 instead? |
| 04:35.40 | nsadmin | well I'd say try it so you can see if that was the case. also check in man 5 fstab the meaning of the last two parameters |
| 04:36.04 | BenNZ | nsadmin: you mean the dump and pass values? |
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| 04:36.12 | nsadmin | right |
| 04:36.39 | BenNZ | nsadmin: doesnt 0 0 mean the fsck doesnt check it? |
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| 04:37.39 | unforgiven512 | How do I determine which parameters a module is loaded with? |
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| 04:38.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | try modinfo |
| 04:38.39 | unforgiven512 | Nope, just shows me the parameters available |
| 04:38.43 | unforgiven512 | Not which ones are currently in use |
| 04:38.53 | unforgiven512 | for some odd reason, I'm only getting sound out of my front headphone jack |
| 04:39.20 | dondelelcaro | unforgiven512: alsamixer will usually help you with that |
| 04:39.49 | dondelelcaro | unforgiven512: for the other, see /sys/module/*; |
| 04:40.17 | unforgiven512 | alsamixer isn't much help =/ |
| 04:40.26 | unforgiven512 | I think the issue is deeper -- worked fine on Ubuntu 11.04 |
| 04:40.35 | unforgiven512 | But, that's about all that worked on Ubuntu 11.04 |
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| 04:41.59 | unforgiven512 | I used to be able to select "Analog Out" or "Analog Headphones", and it'd route accordingly. Now, both route to the front jack. |
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| 04:44.58 | nevyn | unforgiven512: so you were selecting that in the pulse profile for the card? |
| 04:45.26 | nevyn | unforgiven512: debian and ubuntu do very different things with sound out of the box? |
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| 04:47.26 | unforgiven512 | nevyn: I've installed pulse |
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| 04:47.40 | unforgiven512 | nevyn: And that's how I got to where I currently am |
| 04:47.49 | unforgiven512 | OOB, it didn't work at all |
| 04:48.27 | nevyn | unforgiven512: did you configure an asoundrc to send alsa audio to pulse? |
| 04:48.39 | nevyn | do you have multiple profiles for your soundcard? |
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| 04:53.33 | unforgiven512 | nevyn: What do you mean? If I plug in my USB headset, and set the device, it works. If I plug in regular headphones into the front jack (using the onboard audio -- snd_hda_intel), it works. |
| 04:53.43 | unforgiven512 | How would I set it up correctly? |
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| 05:01.11 | nsadmin | why is there only one script in init.d to start/stop pg? |
| 05:01.23 | nsadmin | there used to be one per cluster |
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| 05:02.06 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: because you can have dozens of clusters |
| 05:02.34 | supaplex | clusters of them? *snark* |
| 05:02.36 | nsadmin | how would I go about controlling one? |
| 05:02.53 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: with pg_ctlcluster |
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| 05:26.43 | Roasted | so I removed /etc/samba cause, well, I suck... and I reinstalled samba but it won't bring /etc/samba back with the default smb.conf, etc. |
| 05:26.45 | Roasted | what can I do? |
| 05:26.56 | simonlnu | !confmiss |
| 05:26.56 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 05:27.12 | Roasted | hahahah, nice |
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| 05:29.07 | gentz | I want a user to be able to use wireshark, what permissions do i need to set? (i tried adding them to net group but it doesnt work oin debian) |
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| 05:45.33 | optraz | what does this file made of? ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, stripped |
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| 05:53.53 | supaplex | optraz: looks like a binary or shared library. |
| 05:53.58 | supaplex | dpkg: elf |
| 05:53.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, elf is information on ELF can be found at ftp://tsx.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/GCC/ELF.doc.tar.gz,text doc here: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/ELF.txt. |
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| 05:55.54 | Miesco | When will iceweasel 4 be out? |
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| 05:56.10 | Miesco | For squeeze |
| 05:56.29 | rabbitear | I heard you people beleive in your selves and know lots of things? |
| 05:56.46 | rabbitear | i just come over to how much things you do know |
| 05:57.03 | rabbitear | and make sure that I can stay here and am welcome |
| 05:57.07 | rabbitear | as always |
| 05:57.13 | nevyn | gentz: they need todo things that only root is permitted to do. so they need to effectivly run it as root |
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| 05:59.14 | LiENUS | why is busybox included with debian? |
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| 06:07.53 | nevyn | LiENUS: is it in base these days? |
| 06:07.59 | nevyn | probably for initrd |
| 06:08.04 | LiENUS | ah that makes sense |
| 06:08.16 | LiENUS | is there a way to see what packages depend on it? |
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| 06:08.22 | nevyn | sure. |
| 06:08.32 | nevyn | in aptitude select it and hit i a few times |
| 06:08.36 | nevyn | is how I'd do it. |
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| 06:08.53 | nevyn | but there's probably a better/more effective way |
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| 06:09.35 | LiENUS | now to find it in aptitude |
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| 06:10.12 | LiENUS | yep initramfs needs it |
| 06:10.50 | LiENUS | actually it says initramfs reccomends it |
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| 06:10.58 | LiENUS | now sure how to take that |
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| 06:12.50 | LiENUS | lol its fun to look through the package list |
| 06:12.56 | LiENUS | i remember when more was the default pagr |
| 06:12.58 | LiENUS | pager* |
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| 06:13.09 | LiENUS | even on distros that included lss they still defaulted to more |
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| 06:16.45 | nsadmin | !enter |
| 06:16.45 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 06:17.21 | LiENUS | youll be alright nsadmin |
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| 06:18.26 | nsadmin | at least you know the deal |
| 06:19.29 | LiENUS | i say again, you'll be alright |
| 06:19.51 | LiENUS | enter is valid punctuation, idjits on irc just cant lrn2english |
| 06:20.32 | DrManhattan | how up to date is debian testing |
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| 06:21.29 | nevyn | DrManhattan: 2 weeksish behind sid |
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| 06:21.43 | DrManhattan | thats not bad at all |
| 06:21.43 | nevyn | with error bars | | |
| 06:21.55 | nevyn | DrManhattan: so it's not quite that simple |
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| 06:22.15 | DrManhattan | bursts into tears |
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| 06:22.36 | nevyn | DrManhattan: things are automatically moved from sid (unstable) to wheezy (testing) when they've been in sid and had no rc bugs for 2 weeks |
| 06:22.54 | nevyn | I think only rc bugs prevent migraion. but might be any bugs. |
| 06:23.14 | DrManhattan | ok, for instance,. whats the kernel version in testing |
| 06:23.46 | unforgiven512 | Any udev professionals around? |
| 06:24.00 | nevyn | unforgiven512: there's such a thing? |
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| 06:24.03 | unforgiven512 | lol |
| 06:24.04 | nevyn | !ask |
| 06:24.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:24.22 | unforgiven512 | I can't get adb (android debug bridge) working on testing. |
| 06:24.30 | unforgiven512 | I've tried various udev configs. Still, fail. |
| 06:24.59 | nevyn | unforgiven512: beware udev rules == vs = they do quite different things (C rules apply) |
| 06:28.07 | nsadmin | unforgiven512: there's a udev rule involving usb drives |
| 06:28.07 | unforgiven512 | nevyn: I know |
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| 06:28.07 | unforgiven512 | nsadmin: USB Mass Storage mode works fine |
| 06:28.07 | nevyn | unforgiven512: so what's the rule you're trying to make work? |
| 06:28.07 | nsadmin | so you get ????????????? in the run dialog. right? |
| 06:28.07 | unforgiven512 | for android debug bridge |
| 06:28.07 | unforgiven512 | yeah if I do: adb devices |
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| 06:28.07 | nsadmin | unforgiven512: there's a udev rule involving usb drives |
| 06:28.07 | unforgiven512 | ????????????no permissions |
| 06:28.07 | unforgiven512 | explain? |
| 06:28.07 | nsadmin | I had to take that rule out |
| 06:28.07 | unforgiven512 | SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}== |
| 06:28.15 | nsadmin | then I could set /dev/ttyACM0 perms |
| 06:28.15 | unforgiven512 | "18d1", MODE="0666" |
| 06:28.51 | unforgiven512 | Hmm, can you point me in the right direction? And yeah, I know == is equal to, and = assigns |
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| 06:30.06 | nsadmin | I might have written it down somewhere, but if I didn't... let's see what I have |
| 06:32.33 | unforgiven512 | Also, udev doesn't seem to do any logging, so I can't debug it |
| 06:33.12 | nsadmin | in rules.d/51-android.rules I have |
| 06:33.16 | nsadmin | SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", SYSFS{idVendor}=="01004", MODE="0666" |
| 06:33.36 | nsadmin | that might be my specific phone |
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| 06:37.32 | syq | I want to make /run bigger , how to set it? |
| 06:38.14 | nevyn | nsadmin: 01004 seems wrong |
| 06:38.37 | epsilon | syq: is /run an own partition? |
| 06:38.42 | unforgiven512 | nsadmin: What version of debian are you using? |
| 06:39.17 | syq | epsilon: it's the new replace of /var/run , it's an tmpfs |
| 06:39.41 | syq | epsilon: I want to know where set it? there is no in fstab |
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| 06:40.22 | unforgiven512 | SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", SYSFS{idVendor}=="18d1", MODE="0666" |
| 06:40.25 | unforgiven512 | still fals. |
| 06:40.28 | unforgiven512 | fails. |
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| 06:43.30 | epsilon | syq: which version are you running? |
| 06:43.40 | syq | epsilon: experimental |
| 06:44.08 | nsadmin | unforgiven512, squeeze |
| 06:44.34 | nsadmin | cant find where that udev thing with usb drives is |
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| 06:45.10 | simonlnu | syq: /etc/default/tmpfs |
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| 06:45.42 | unforgiven512 | argh, I wish udev did some logging |
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| 06:51.57 | optraz | supaplex: ok, thanks |
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| 07:10.40 | unforgiven512 | Hmm, do you think 'rm -rf /run' is what is causing udev to be a piece of...excrement? |
| 07:10.54 | unforgiven512 | I had to delete that folder to get keyboard and mouse working at boot. |
| 07:13.06 | nsadmin | found it |
| 07:13.19 | nsadmin | (finally) |
| 07:14.23 | nevyn | unforgiven512: udev is going to notlike that. |
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| 07:15.13 | nsadmin | in /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules |
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| 07:16.16 | unforgiven512 | nevyn: Well, everything I found online suggested removing that directory... |
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| 07:16.37 | nsadmin | SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device", \ |
| 07:16.38 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.04 | nsadmin | find that line which should actually say MODE="0664" |
| 07:17.09 | nevyn | /run introduction is happening. |
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| 07:17.45 | nsadmin | introduction to which? |
| 07:18.18 | nsadmin | unforgiven512, found it? |
| 07:19.53 | nsadmin | the fix I came up with is probably the wrong way to do it; someone might be able to find the right way |
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| 07:20.01 | unforgiven512 | nsadmin: that's odd |
| 07:20.09 | unforgiven512 | I'll give it a shot, though. |
| 07:20.13 | nsadmin | did you find it? |
| 07:20.22 | unforgiven512 | if this fails, I may use udev from experimental |
| 07:20.28 | nsadmin | if you change it to 666 |
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| 07:21.19 | nsadmin | it should work BUT other usb things will be 666 when they were designed to be 664 |
| 07:21.37 | nsadmin | the comments I placed before that line: |
| 07:21.49 | unforgiven512 | nsadmin: Changing it to 666 defeats the purpose of udev... it should respect the ATTRS{idVendor}=="18d1", MODE="0666" for just Google Nexus devices |
| 07:22.27 | nsadmin | # LOCAL: old mode 0664, new for android phone development mode 0666 |
| 07:22.27 | nsadmin | # can this be tuned for just my phone? |
| 07:22.46 | nsadmin | yes, I agree |
| 07:23.16 | unforgiven512 | Well, I'll be damned. |
| 07:23.18 | unforgiven512 | It worked. |
| 07:23.35 | nsadmin | but as you say it's too open |
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| 07:25.21 | nsadmin | what's really needed is to restore the rule and add another that's mpre targeted |
| 07:25.26 | nsadmin | but I don 't know how to do it |
| 07:25.46 | unforgiven512 | I'm tinkering, one sec |
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| 07:27.07 | nsadmin | the way to get it going on lenny was really different... it took watching the udev log to see what was happening |
| 07:27.16 | nsadmin | for squeeze that is |
| 07:27.17 | unforgiven512 | where is the udev log?? |
| 07:27.20 | unforgiven512 | on wheezy |
| 07:27.26 | nsadmin | oh, dunno |
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| 07:27.30 | unforgiven512 | (on squeeze?) |
| 07:27.51 | nsadmin | it may be that I had to alter something to make the logging verbose temporarily |
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| 07:28.36 | unforgiven512 | Ok, got it |
| 07:28.56 | unforgiven512 | change it back to MODE="0664" in /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules |
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| 07:29.10 | unforgiven512 | and, do rm /etc/udev/rules.d/*android* |
| 07:29.24 | unforgiven512 | then, touch /etc/udev/rules.d/99-android.rules |
| 07:29.43 | xinming_ | I heard that aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)' lists all packages in backports repo, But when I try, I see no output, Anything I did wrong? |
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| 07:30.05 | unforgiven512 | echo "SUBSYSTEM==\"usb\", ENV{DEVTYPE}== |
| 07:30.07 | unforgiven512 | err |
| 07:30.11 | unforgiven512 | damn enter key |
| 07:30.16 | nsadmin | xinming_, you don't have any backports installed? |
| 07:31.04 | unforgiven512 | echo "SUBSYSTEM==\"usb\", ENV{DEVTYPE}==\"usb_device\", ATTRS{idVendor}==\"18d1\", MODE=\"0666\" > /etc/udev/rules.d/99-android.rules |
| 07:31.24 | unforgiven512 | replacing 18d1 with the idVendor value for your device (ie: HTC == 0bb4) |
| 07:31.46 | nsadmin | I think mine is 1004 |
| 07:31.50 | unforgiven512 | nsadmin: Your change made sense to me and why it works. |
| 07:32.05 | unforgiven512 | 51-android.rules is parsed *before* 91-permissions.rules |
| 07:32.24 | unforgiven512 | that line in 91-permissions.rules *overrides* the line in 51-android.rules |
| 07:32.50 | nsadmin | yeah, and it was too overbroad |
| 07:33.00 | unforgiven512 | so naming it "99-android.rules" (or anything >91) causes it to be parsed *after* 91-permissions.rules, effectively allowing it to apply the rule to just your phone |
| 07:33.06 | xinming | nsadmin: hmm, Yes, I don't, But I want to list all packages in backports so that I can see what pacages I can install. |
| 07:33.08 | nsadmin | err it was broad |
| 07:33.09 | unforgiven512 | (aka, devices with that USB vendor ID) |
| 07:33.29 | nsadmin | xinming, look at backports.org |
| 07:33.35 | unforgiven512 | USB device IDs are 4 hex digits |
| 07:33.42 | unforgiven512 | lsusb, look for your phone |
| 07:33.49 | unforgiven512 | and use that for {idVendor} |
| 07:34.47 | xinming | nsadmin: Isn't there a command that we can list packages for a repository rather than manually check them up? |
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| 07:39.06 | nsadmin | xinming: iceweasel http://backports.org |
| 07:39.10 | nsadmin | :) |
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| 07:45.53 | nsadmin | unforgiven512, what's the difference between /etc/udev/rules.d and /lib/udev/rules.d? |
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| 07:49.38 | sep | nsadmin, if i was to guess. ; the /lib/ ones are the udeb defaults, while the /etc one are user/system rules |
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| 07:51.45 | unforgiven512 | nsadmin: /lib/udev/rules.d/ are for the default rules |
| 07:51.59 | unforgiven512 | nsadmin: /etc/udev/rules.d/ is for your own, defined rules |
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| 07:52.35 | unforgiven512 | nsadmin: a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ with the same filename as one in /lib/udev/rules.d/ will over-ride the one in /lib/ |
| 07:55.05 | nsadmin | ah, ok, got it |
| 07:55.45 | nsadmin | I altered the one in /lib |
| 07:56.00 | nsadmin | and placed the android rule file in actually both places |
| 07:57.00 | nsadmin | and it turns out that I made several == vs = errors |
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| 07:57.16 | Arrowmaster | you normally wouldnt want to mess with the ones in lib manually |
| 07:57.28 | nsadmin | right, I understand that now |
| 07:59.03 | nsadmin | ok, I have it set up properly now (I think) |
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| 08:00.17 | nsadmin | what's /etc/init.d/udev-mtab? |
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| 08:02.28 | Arrowmaster | looks like it copys udev rules over to /etc and then adds /dev to /etc/mtab |
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| 08:09.37 | ausfall | Hi guys, I am running debian 5 (lenny) servers on rackspace, I am new to debian (as server platform), I have been managing ubuntu servers (I know ubuntu is debian based) so far. What software u guys are using to secure a front-end server where you'll have only nginx with memcache installed? I have secured ssh (iptables), I have rkhunter also but as I am new to debian I would love to hear your opinion, thank you very much. :) |
| 08:10.54 | unforgiven512 | Well, I'm off to bed. Night. |
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| 08:19.07 | sep | ausfall, i use fail2ban to stop bruteforce ssh attempts. Read your logs. Know your normal system, so you can detect an abnormal one. Keep updated. subscribe to debian-security-announce ; also http://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 08:19.55 | ausfall | sep: thank you |
| 08:20.36 | sep | fail2ban works for ssh by default. but you may have to configure it to deal with other tools you may have password authentication on |
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| 08:21.13 | sep | I would like to use a tripwire like tool. but i'v just never been able to tune them into useable |
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| 08:21.36 | sep | but i would recomend it. |
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| 08:22.34 | ausfall | thanks I will take a look at tripwire, installing fail2ban now |
| 08:22.38 | sep | i use munin for graphin since it's so incredibly easy |
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| 08:23.50 | webb | anyone able to assist me with a remote port forward (ssh tunnel) |
| 08:23.57 | sep | collect your logs somewhere out of reach in addition to locally. i use syslog-ng and a database + php-syslog-ng |
| 08:24.12 | sep | webb, everyone in here i would think |
| 08:24.51 | ausfall | I am using cacti, is munin better then cacti? |
| 08:25.01 | webb | cool, general question then, if I get a permission denied (publickey) is it the local computer or the host thats kranky? |
| 08:25.27 | sep | ausfall, cacti is for snmp. munin is a agent+collector thing. |
| 08:25.29 | sep | i use both |
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| 08:26.01 | sep | cacti for snmp equipment munin for linux servers. |
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| 08:27.14 | ausfall | great I just googled munin to read more, I will use it, thank you very much sep your help is very appreciated |
| 08:27.34 | sep | munin can get more info with less manual config from a linux box, then snmp+cacti can (you'd have to configure/work alot) ; munin can not graph generic snmp devices at all |
| 08:28.19 | SlayerXP | sep: untrue, there's an SNMP module for it. |
| 08:28.28 | sep | i also use sitesumamry to keep count of machines. and it's nagions config script to write my nagions config's |
| 08:28.45 | sep | SlayerXP, thank you, i didn't know |
| 08:28.59 | SlayerXP | sep: http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/Using_SNMP_plugins |
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| 08:30.45 | sep | tagged |
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| 08:31.38 | webb | ssh -p 22 serverip -R X:localhost:X |
| 08:32.13 | webb | I figured this would redirect all calls to serverip:X to myComputer:X |
| 08:32.24 | webb | or am I smistaken? |
| 08:32.42 | sep | should yes. assuming serverip's sshd config allow it |
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| 08:33.10 | webb | ah, and the line in there should be soemthing along the lines of TCPallowPortforward or something? |
| 08:33.25 | webb | ive got X11 enabled |
| 08:34.14 | webb | X11Forwarding yes that is |
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| 08:36.36 | sep | i dont remember i think it's GatewayPorts or something |
| 08:36.58 | webb | GatewayPorts clientspecified :D |
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| 08:40.16 | nsadmin | webb, you need xbase-clients on both sides |
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| 08:40.47 | webb | Im using debian on the server and putty on this windows computer |
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| 08:41.26 | nsadmin | hmm, probably you can't forward x unless you install an x server |
| 08:41.33 | webb | what Im trying to ackquire is using my servers static ip on my laptop |
| 08:41.35 | nsadmin | on the win box |
| 08:41.45 | webb | I see |
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| 08:42.17 | nsadmin | you want to use the same address on two machines? that will not work |
| 08:42.44 | webb | ehm |
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| 08:42.50 | webb | rephrasing |
| 08:43.26 | asrtaetar | Get paid for playing poker for real money for FREE $ 50 starting capital! |
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| 08:43.27 | asrtaetar | INSTRUCTIONS: |
| 08:43.27 | asrtaetar | 1. You sign up with the link: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/uZC6OY/about/ |
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| 08:43.34 | webb | Im hosting a webserver on my laptop for devpurposes, I have a static ip to my stationary computer (the server) |
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| 08:43.48 | Tekku | Good Morning! |
| 08:43.51 | DerHartmut | Hi @ All |
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| 08:44.14 | nsadmin | Tekku, morning. btw, you don't need /me |
| 08:44.17 | webb | now Id like to let my customer access my work in progress by going to mystatici:8080 which will redirect him to my laptop |
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| 08:44.57 | nsadmin | oh, so you want to forward a port into a machine inside your nat |
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| 08:45.48 | webb | the laptop can be anywhere |
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| 08:46.28 | nsadmin | you need a way to get it into your net then |
| 08:46.45 | nsadmin | maybe a vpn |
| 08:46.51 | webb | Ive already forwarded 8080 to my server so if I had the webserver on that computer it shows correctly |
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| 08:47.24 | webb | but Id like the 8080 request to be forwarded via my ssh tunnel to some port on my laptop instead |
| 08:47.51 | nsadmin | webb, what would you get from "publishing" from your laptop from anywhere? |
| 08:48.33 | webb | Id be able to share my work in progress without having to worry about port forwarding and firewalls |
| 08:49.00 | webb | I just give the customer my ip and he can check it out no matter where I am or what network Im using |
| 08:49.32 | webb | like so: ssh -p 22 serverip -R 80:localhost:8080 |
| 08:49.50 | webb | as long as Ive got that tunnel working I should be fine I guess |
| 08:50.13 | nsadmin | what is "work in progress"? what form does it take? |
| 08:50.22 | webb | but Im getting a permission denied (publickey) all the time, dunno if Im executing it on the wrong computer |
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| 08:51.18 | webb | its anything the web server on my laptop serves, for example a php page demonstrating a new functionality or somthing |
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| 08:54.22 | jedd | webb: unless you have some Top Secret stuff you're working on - why not just NAT http and use .htaccess/htpasswd. |
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| 08:54.54 | nsadmin | he might have to rearrange his app to use that |
| 08:55.12 | webb | Im interested in working with other services as well :) like hosting a game server on my laptop for instance |
| 08:55.16 | nsadmin | that's such a static solution it's almost useless |
| 08:55.45 | webb | which means I need to remote forward another port |
| 08:55.57 | webb | hence knowing how to is vital atm :p |
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| 08:56.26 | nsadmin | how would you go about replicating your work on the laptop onto an apache running on 8080 |
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| 08:57.01 | webb | I didnt quite get that question :/ |
| 08:57.16 | nsadmin | you probably don't want to do this ssh thing as it's too many moving parts and would not always be solid |
| 08:57.17 | DrManhattan | I installed testing, with gnome, and when gnome starts I have to unplug and replug my kbd and mouse - how do I fix this? |
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| 08:57.26 | nsadmin | you want to demo an app |
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| 08:57.40 | nsadmin | you want that demo to go well every time |
| 08:57.47 | nsadmin | which means... |
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| 08:58.18 | webb | yea, demo web apps might not e to optimal, and since Ive got a server already I could ust host it there |
| 08:58.21 | nsadmin | it needs to be running on a rock solid server with a rock solid connecton |
| 08:58.23 | nsadmin | and, |
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| 08:59.20 | nsadmin | you need to rehearse the demo for at least 2 reasons: 1, you know how the demo will go, and 2, you test the app to make sure each piece of what you show will work |
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| 09:00.04 | nsadmin | your laptop runs windows? |
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| 09:00.18 | webb | yep |
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| 09:00.36 | webb | 7 32 bit, I just installed some X server for windows |
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| 09:00.46 | nevyn | still need to verify projectors work |
| 09:00.53 | webb | just need to figure out how to connect to it as well |
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| 09:02.22 | nsadmin | what os does the web server run? |
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| 09:02.40 | webb | debian |
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| 09:03.06 | nsadmin | you might consider running the same thing on your laptop so that you develop on the same os the server runs |
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| 09:04.37 | webb | web app demos aside, what if I wanted to forwards port my.server.com:5656 to laptop:5656 and I get the message "Permission denied (publickey)" - any idea what I need to do to gain access? |
| 09:05.24 | nsadmin | linux/unix was designed from the beginning for coding/compiling/developing, to participate on a net or route its traffic, and to host servers |
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| 09:05.51 | ryx_ | hi, my xorg doesn't add any input devices, even though there are tons of /dev/input/event*. I tried reinstalling udev and xorg. Any further suggestions? |
| 09:06.36 | DrManhattan | I installed testing, with gnome, and when gnome starts I have to unplug and replug my kbd and mouse - how do I fix this? |
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| 09:08.08 | nsadmin | webb, maybe the file with one of the keys fails to grant read |
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| 09:08.39 | webb | probably, but sshing into the server works just fine |
| 09:08.50 | webb | its just running ssh user@work.example.org -R 10000:192.168.1.10:22 |
| 09:08.56 | webb | that is not really working |
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| 09:09.47 | DrManhattan | bursts into tears |
| 09:09.59 | DrManhattan | I can't find anything useful about this on gewgull |
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| 09:15.52 | DrManhattan | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg889979.html <--- this is the bug i'm dealing with |
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| 09:18.30 | jdhore | Where is sperl on Debian Sid? ...The perl-suid package has apparently been removed |
| 09:19.03 | ryx_ | strangeness, solution was udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change |
| 09:19.30 | project2501a | is there a way for postgres to emulate mysql? |
| 09:19.42 | project2501a | like the emulation for sql server the postgres guys have |
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| 09:21.53 | DrManhattan | I installed testing, with gnome, and when gnome starts I have to unplug and replug my kbd and mouse - how do I fix this? |
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| 09:24.42 | petemc | DrManhattan: dont use testing, or at least know to check the bts - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621327 |
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| 09:27.26 | DrManhattan | petemc, thanks! |
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| 09:28.43 | DrManhattan | hmm, i have no xorg.conf that i know of |
| 09:28.57 | DrManhattan | never mind |
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| 09:35.50 | nsadmin | DrManhattan, you're running testing... the first thing you should do is check the BTS for similar problems, and if you doh't find any, you should try to fix the problem, create a patch and submit it with a bug report |
| 09:36.36 | nsadmin | you're here, maybe you thought coming here should be the first thing |
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| 09:38.00 | albech | hello ladies and gentlemen |
| 09:38.39 | albech | does rsync daemon support any kind of encryption or is the standard procedure to run it through a ssh tunnel? |
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| 09:39.23 | albech | or maybe even alternatives with encryption support to rsync? |
| 09:40.09 | ClaudiuT | hello |
| 09:40.21 | ClaudiuT | does squeeze fully supports Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet? |
| 09:40.23 | nsadmin | an ssh tunnel sounds like a good way to go |
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| 09:41.19 | ClaudiuT | It doesn't work nice on latest Ubuntu LTS, works well on 10.10, but I'm considering switching to Debian |
| 09:41.38 | Bushmills | albech: duplicity uses rsync libs, and can encrypt (plus be tunneled) |
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| 09:42.00 | Bushmills | for simple rsync, running over ssh is usually done |
| 09:42.33 | Bushmills | depends whether you want the transport, or the copy storage encrypted |
| 09:42.55 | sep | rsync uses ssh quite nicely. |
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| 09:45.00 | albech | Bushmills, only the transport is required encrypted, however having the data stored encrypted as well may not be a bad idea |
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| 09:46.24 | Bushmills | albech: for transport, ssh will do fine. doesn't even need to run rsync as daemon on target |
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| 09:48.26 | Bushmills | (11:46:23) Bushmills: albech: for transport, ssh will do fine. doesn't even need to run rsync as daemon on target |
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| 09:49.31 | albech | Bushmills, the reason i prefer running rsync as a daemon is so the client does not need shell access to the target, or have i misunderstood something? |
| 09:51.07 | Bushmills | how do clients authenticate against rsync without shell? |
| 09:51.19 | sep | rsync daemon user list |
| 09:51.23 | Bushmills | s/shell/login/ |
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| 09:52.39 | nsadmin | if it's not login I guess some other way of authentication would be used instead |
| 09:53.02 | albech | Bushmills, what sep said |
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| 09:53.21 | Bushmills | i think the rsync man page offers an option without logins for every user - using one login, and tunneling rsyncd to local machine |
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| 09:53.34 | albech | there is a authentication mechanism in rsync, but since it does not appear to be running over any kind of encrypten connection its not worth much |
| 09:53.43 | Bushmills | tunneling through ssh |
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| 09:57.10 | jelly | ClaudiuT: nx2 card should work well on any server distro. If they don't, file a bug report. |
| 09:57.15 | jelly | cards* |
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| 09:57.55 | ClaudiuT | thanks jelly |
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| 10:05.35 | Soothsayer | How do I allow my apache to access files for virtualhosts I've created under my /home/user/www directory ? |
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| 10:06.23 | Bushmills | Soothsayer: set permissions so that apache can access the files. also of directories above |
| 10:07.00 | Soothsayer | Bushmills, it's annoying to set permissions each time my user creates files in this directory? |
| 10:07.09 | Soothsayer | How can I make it that www-data can access everything within this directory ? |
| 10:07.19 | Bushmills | alternatively, put those dirs somewhere else, and symlink from user directories there |
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| 10:08.25 | Soothsayer | Bushmills, hmm.. what if I want to keep these directories within my home? This is what I was earlier advised while configuring this setup. |
| 10:08.36 | Bushmills | why is it annoying when files are created to be not world readable when the system has been setup to create them that way? some call that "secure" |
| 10:08.50 | Black_Prince | use <Directory > tag |
| 10:09.27 | Soothsayer | Bushmills, what if I just add www-data to my user group ? |
| 10:09.29 | Bushmills | well, if you must keep them there, permissions. |
| 10:09.36 | Soothsayer | hmm |
| 10:09.49 | nsadmin | Bushmills: not sure, but the author of umask must have seen something... |
| 10:10.09 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#directory |
| 10:10.16 | Soothsayer | Bushmills, ok, maybe I'm doing it wrong then. I've got an entire website in a directory here. How do I grant www-data permissions to it in one shot? |
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| 10:10.51 | Bushmills | man chown; man chmod |
| 10:10.55 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, what about <Directory> ? |
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| 10:11.10 | nsadmin | Soothsayer, if you add www-data then you would make sure group perms are correct for access |
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| 10:11.27 | Black_Prince | If I got this right, you cannot access your files in /home/... via apache |
| 10:12.03 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, ye, unless I manually edit the permission and make files/directories readable by other groups. |
| 10:12.26 | Bushmills | i'd suggest to reconsider the suggestion of an alternative web directory tree, and symlinks from user dirs |
| 10:12.33 | Black_Prince | So when you type http://someaddress which files reside in /home/... you get error 401? |
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| 10:13.28 | Soothsayer | (13)Permission denied: file permissions deny server access: /home/dayson/projects/www/webly/admintemplate/public/assets/stylesheets/panel/style.css |
| 10:14.19 | TimmyT | I want to upgrade debian stable to their latest updates in backports, but apt-get upgrade won't work. How can I do this? |
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| 10:16.27 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, as I told you, you need to allow apache to access /home/dayson/projects/www with <Directory> ... And files should be owned by /home/dayson owner and group - files should have permissions of 644 and folders 755, unless specified by a script to change directory permissions. |
| 10:17.44 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, I'm not understanding this part. How do I " allow apache to access /home/dayson/projects/www" ? |
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| 10:18.09 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, do you mind posting your *.conf file ? |
| 10:18.10 | Bushmills | by setting permissions such that apache can |
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| 10:18.40 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, one sec |
| 10:18.45 | Black_Prince | use !pastebin |
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| 10:19.20 | Soothsayer | ofcourse |
| 10:19.21 | Soothsayer | lol |
| 10:19.58 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, http://pastebin.com/tm0epjaQ |
| 10:20.11 | Soothsayer | that's a virtualhost I created. |
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| 10:25.41 | Black_Prince | I do not know if it matterrs, but I see examples that use capital beginning letter A in Allow from all |
| 10:25.46 | Black_Prince | Everything else looks good. |
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| 10:29.52 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, I just can't figure out how to give apache permissions to read/write to this directory and all files under it. |
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| 10:30.55 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, when you access that virtualhost, does your browser say anything? |
| 10:31.16 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, You don't have permission to access /admintemplate/public/assets/stylesheets/panel/style.css |
| 10:31.16 | Soothsayer | on this server. |
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| 10:32.08 | Black_Prince | Have you changed file/folder permissions? |
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| 10:33.25 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, the folders are accessible. I'm not sure how to do the same for all the files. |
| 10:34.40 | nsadmin | ls -ld / /admintemplate /admintemplate/public /admintemplate/public/assets /admintemplate/public/assets/stylesheets /admintemplate/public/assets/stylesheets/panel /admintemplate/public/assets/stylesheets/panel/style.css |
| 10:34.41 | Black_Prince | As I told before files should have mode 644 (-rw-r--r--) and folders 755 (drwxr-xr-x) and should be owned by user who owns DocumentRoot |
| 10:34.47 | nsadmin | pastebin that |
| 10:35.08 | Bushmills | Soothsayer: you're aware that also higher level directories must allow apache to enter them and read their contents? |
| 10:35.17 | Bushmills | i.e. /home |
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| 10:35.44 | Bushmills | and /home/user |
| 10:36.11 | nsadmin | and / |
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| 10:37.06 | Soothsayer | Bushmills, ye. |
| 10:37.10 | Soothsayer | ok I did a |
| 10:37.10 | Soothsayer | chown -R www-data:www-data |
| 10:37.21 | nsadmin | apache does extra checks and enforces certain things about owners and permissions |
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| 10:37.54 | Black_Prince | Don't do that. |
| 10:37.54 | nsadmin | you were very careful when you did that I hope :) |
| 10:38.01 | Black_Prince | It is not safe. |
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| 10:38.21 | nsadmin | it is if you know what you're doing and where |
| 10:38.47 | Soothsayer | hmm |
| 10:39.12 | Soothsayer | now why is that not safe? |
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| 10:39.41 | nsadmin | if you do the wrong thing it can make your whole system unusable |
| 10:40.13 | Soothsayer | I only changed it for that directory. (carefully) |
| 10:40.33 | Soothsayer | how about I just create a new group and add myself and www-data to it ? |
| 10:40.55 | nsadmin | well the -R is what makes it more powerful |
| 10:41.10 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, run these commands. find /path/to/www -type f -exec chmod 644 '{}' ';' ; find /path/to/www -type d -exec chmod 755 '{}' ';' ; chown -R youruser:yourgroup /path/to/www |
| 10:41.32 | nsadmin | it;s not just that dir it's all files in the dir and everything in all contained dirs |
| 10:41.35 | Black_Prince | Change /path/to/www with full path to docroot, and youruser and yourgroup to username/group who owns files and folders. |
| 10:42.03 | Soothsayer | ok im so confused with this approach. |
| 10:42.06 | Soothsayer | What would be a better layout? |
| 10:42.18 | Soothsayer | Should I just move back to storing all websites /var/www directory ? |
| 10:42.39 | nsadmin | what happened when you did that? |
| 10:42.51 | Riviera | Black_Prince: btw, chmod has +X to only make directories (and files that already are executable) executable, by this one would not need find. |
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| 10:43.36 | Soothsayer | problem is now my user doesn't have access to write to this directory |
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| 10:43.57 | Riviera | cool, so have the admin fix that for you :) |
| 10:44.25 | Black_Prince | What the? |
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| 10:54.54 | dirtycookie | hi peeps |
| 10:55.24 | cusco | hi peep |
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| 10:56.33 | Tekku | Lunch Time! |
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| 10:56.59 | jon8 | bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US): No such file or directory |
| 10:57.06 | jon8 | how can i fix this on debian 6 64-bit |
| 10:59.57 | sep | jon8, perhaps it's not enables run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 11:00.45 | jon8 | sep |
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| 11:00.52 | jon8 | selected |
| 11:00.55 | jon8 | ;( |
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| 11:01.07 | buhman | when X starts, for whatever reason I seem to be unable to use my keyboard and mouse |
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| 11:01.38 | buhman | how might I configure them |
| 11:01.57 | buhman | or, can I start networking in runlevel 1? |
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| 11:02.00 | jon8 | sep -- ?? |
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| 11:04.02 | sep | jon8, can also be a bun in whatever you are running |
| 11:04.05 | sep | gub |
| 11:04.07 | sep | bug ! |
| 11:04.12 | sep | <- bug in typing |
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| 11:05.20 | Bushmills | rat-in-a-bun? |
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| 11:05.51 | jon8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.51 | jon8 | bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) |
| 11:05.58 | jon8 | sep how can that be a bu? |
| 11:05.59 | jon8 | bug* |
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| 11:09.33 | abrotman | jon8: it's a warning |
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| 11:14.14 | boudiccas | something has eaten 1.4gbs of my / folder in the last two hours! any idea where i should look to sort out the problem please? |
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| 11:14.49 | boudiccas | i've been out shopping and just got back to find that its all used up! |
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| 11:15.21 | tvm | boudiccas: depends on your partitioning, i'd check the var and tmp (if they aren't separate) |
| 11:15.40 | boudiccas | tvm; thanks i'll have a look |
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| 11:22.27 | chegibari | what's the command to know what's the architecture of the machine I'm using? It's a virtual machine and I don't know if it's x86 or x64... |
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| 11:24.08 | Bushmills | chegibari: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 11:24.56 | Bushmills | alternatively, uname -a |
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| 11:25.33 | chegibari | Bushmills, thanks! |
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| 11:26.41 | buhman | I can't get X or gpm to work with my mouse on wheezy |
| 11:27.15 | buhman | it worked in squeeze, including when I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, but on a fresh wheezy installation, it seems to have broken |
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| 11:27.30 | abrotman | so use squeeze ? |
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| 11:30.35 | buhman | abrotman: I'd much rather like to fix this |
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| 11:31.30 | buhman | my sound card se |
| 11:32.03 | buhman | and I get this "INIT: Id "co" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" message about once every 5 minutes |
| 11:32.38 | buhman | my sound card seems to be broken too. Why would a dist upgrade to wheezy work, while a fresh installation is broken? |
| 11:34.11 | Bushmills | differences in custom configuration |
| 11:34.37 | dawud | I can't seem to be able to setup authentication for saned, someone experienced around? |
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| 11:39.08 | buhman | udev reports failure when I boot, apparently |
| 11:39.22 | buhman | how might I diagnose what the problem is? |
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| 11:41.18 | boudiccas | my tmp is now at 988kb, which i think is in root's folder, how do i gain access to it please? konqueror keeps failing to access it, and i can cd into it but cant see whats there |
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| 11:41.41 | buhman | ls -A? |
| 11:43.35 | buhman | my wireless card also isn't configured to start at boot. It is starting to look more and more like the wheezy installer is lazier than the squeeze installer |
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| 11:44.38 | _ARMA_ | I can add swap space after the installation? what's the difference? |
| 11:45.20 | buhman | _ARMA_: sure you can; it's primarily used when you run out of physical ram |
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| 11:45.37 | _ARMA_ | because I can't arrange the unallocated hdd for the swap while installin debian. there is no option there.. |
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| 11:45.56 | buhman | what unallocated space? |
| 11:46.13 | Bushmills | _ARMA_: you create a partition |
| 11:46.18 | buhman | parted should be flexible enough to do whatever you want |
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| 11:47.22 | _ARMA_ | buhman: i'm trying to install debian with windows on the same pc. i made some partitioning and make free space to install debian. ok. but when i'm installing debian there, it only sees the hdd as a root space, and asks me to give some space for the swap area. but there is no option there. |
| 11:47.38 | _ARMA_ | so i wonder, what if i make swap area after the installation. |
| 11:47.48 | _ARMA_ | what's the difference? something bad? |
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| 11:48.01 | buhman | _ARMA_: no, not really |
| 11:48.18 | buhman | _ARMA_: you should just be able to create a new partition; are you in the guided mode? |
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| 11:48.30 | Bushmills | _ARMA_: you use a create partition for swap space |
| 11:48.35 | Bushmills | created |
| 11:48.57 | _ARMA_ | buhman: yes, i'm in the guided mode, i can show the unallocated space for the root folder, but not for swap. |
| 11:49.05 | Bushmills | gives up |
| 11:49.25 | _ARMA_ | Bushmills: then i make a new partitoning on windows apart from the other partition? |
| 11:49.40 | _ARMA_ | no, don't give up. :) |
| 11:49.50 | v_v | lol |
| 11:49.52 | Bushmills | i have no idea how "new partition" and "swap space" relates to "windows" |
| 11:50.22 | v_v | maybe he has only one partition on the whole hdd |
| 11:50.42 | Bushmills | "...i made some partitioning and make free space to install debian." |
| 11:50.49 | _ARMA_ | Bushmills: if i make two new spaces, unallocated, formated, ready to use spaces. one is 150gb for example for the debian root, and one is 3 gb for the swap. |
| 11:51.06 | _ARMA_ | while installing debian, how can i show that 3gb space for swap area? |
| 11:51.29 | buhman | _ARMA_: imho, the "Manual" mode is more intuitive |
| 11:51.31 | Bushmills | you set the partition type: linux swap |
| 11:52.12 | _ARMA_ | linux file system is ext3, right? |
| 11:52.32 | Bushmills | it can be ext3. but that's file system, not partition type |
| 11:52.40 | _ARMA_ | ok/ |
| 11:52.44 | _ARMA_ | *ok. |
| 11:52.44 | v_v | sorry,_ARMA_ did't mentioned that |
| 11:52.57 | _ARMA_ | how much swap area do you think that I need for 3GB ram? |
| 11:52.58 | Bushmills | he did. just earlier |
| 11:53.22 | Bushmills | depends. good policy is "if you need too much swap, add RAM" |
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| 11:54.04 | Bushmills | it is not the amount of RAM which determines how much swap you need, but what you're doing with it. |
| 11:54.12 | v_v | _ARMA_: i have 3BG ram, and 1GB swap, the swap is never used |
| 11:54.17 | _ARMA_ | well, I'm just another normal user, some coding maybe, movies, music, etc. not too much. |
| 11:54.33 | Bushmills | between 1 and 4 GiB should be ok |
| 11:54.54 | _ARMA_ | i think, i'll give 1GB to it. |
| 11:54.56 | _ARMA_ | okay. |
| 11:54.59 | _ARMA_ | let me try again. |
| 11:55.04 | _ARMA_ | thank you.. :) |
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| 11:57.40 | stew | one might want more swap if you are going to hibernate |
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| 11:58.03 | Bushmills | oh. right. good point |
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| 11:59.23 | v_v | yes |
| 11:59.45 | v_v | i can't believe i never tried a hibernate |
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| 12:01.44 | woshty | is there a way to calculate how big a debian mirror will get? with more than one dist |
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| 12:02.38 | stew | woshty: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size dont forget you need "source" and "all" |
| 12:02.54 | stew | woshty: oh, you mean dist not arch? |
| 12:03.26 | stew | like you mean "stable + testing"? instead of just "stable" |
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| 12:05.20 | Bushmills | woshty: roughly number of DVDs * 4.7 GiB |
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| 12:05.46 | woshty | stew: yes, they should share some packages in pool .. i think |
| 12:06.07 | woshty | esp testing and unstable |
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| 12:07.38 | buhman | aha: all i needed to do was google around. turns out udev is known to be buggy in wheezy and sid: I deleted /run and all of the wierdness magically disappeared |
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| 12:07.49 | buhman | mouse working, keyboard, wlan, etc... |
| 12:08.12 | buhman | what does /run normally do? |
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| 12:08.33 | buhman | I hadn't even seen that directory before today |
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| 12:10.26 | dawud | buhman: /var/run restructured, basically |
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| 12:12.12 | boudiccas | using partition magic is it possible to shrink /home and add it to / please? |
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| 12:12.22 | Tekku | Back |
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| 12:15.08 | sm1 | Salutation |
| 12:15.10 | Wyzard | boudiccas: There probably aren't many people here who use Partition Magic |
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| 12:15.46 | boudiccas | Wyzard; ok, how can i do it from the command line then please? |
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| 12:15.51 | Black_Prince | boudiccas, It was enough to ask once. But to your question: It is possible. You need some sort of rescue disc or a live cd (recommended). First you need to move all contents of /home to root drive / then remove /home mountpoint from /etc/fstab. After that reboot and boot rescue/live cd and merge two partitions |
| 12:16.02 | sm1 | how can i pass the cdrom detection from the Live-CD installer. |
| 12:17.01 | sm1 | i've burned the iso to a usb , but it's unable to pass the cdrom section. |
| 12:17.15 | Wyzard | boudiccas: What Black_Prince said, and you should take a look at GNU Parted for merging the partitions (it's similar to Partition Magic, and I'm pretty sure it can do that) |
| 12:17.16 | boudiccas | Black_Prince; i dont want to merge the two partitions, i just want to chop off 28gig from /home and add it to / which is ona separate partition |
| 12:17.38 | Black_Prince | *sigh* |
| 12:17.45 | Wyzard | boudiccas: How are the partitions arranged? Is the /home partition immediately after the / one? |
| 12:18.02 | boudiccas | i beleive so, but i haven tchecked |
| 12:18.04 | robokop | and another reason to use LVM |
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| 12:18.20 | Black_Prince | I do think that deleting one partition and adding its space to another one is called partition merge.... Guess I'm wrong |
| 12:18.23 | buhman | boudiccas: no, the idea is that, like Black_Prince said, that you temporarily move /home to / and then delete the /home partition, resize / accordingly, make a new /home partition, and copy it all back |
| 12:19.23 | buhman | boudiccas: that's assuming /home comes after / |
| 12:20.05 | Wyzard | boudiccas: Assuming /home is after /, you'd shrink /home and then *move* /home so that the free space is between / and /home |
| 12:20.12 | Wyzard | boudiccas: then you'd expand / to use that extra space |
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| 12:20.40 | Wyzard | boudiccas: GNU Parted should be able to do all that, and I think there's a Parted liveCD you can use, but I haven't used it myself |
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| 12:21.09 | Traumatizer | Where is the .bash_profile file located in Debian current? Can't find it under home |
| 12:21.13 | Wyzard | buhman: no need to delete and recreate /home, just shrink the one that exists |
| 12:21.17 | buhman | Wyzard: you can shrink normal ext partitions? I thought it was just expand? |
| 12:21.31 | Black_Prince | Traumatizer, it's named .profile |
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| 12:22.00 | Traumatizer | Thanks, and another question if you don't mind |
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| 12:22.09 | Wyzard | buhman: resize2fs can do both, though shrinking can't be done while the partition is mounted |
| 12:22.13 | Black_Prince | !ask |
| 12:22.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:22.14 | Wyzard | buhman: Parted should be able to do both too |
| 12:22.21 | Traumatizer | If i put them in profile and i use SU, will the commands defined in .profile still work? |
| 12:22.36 | Traumatizer | Because after i use SU i'm logged in for user root. Not me anymore |
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| 12:22.58 | Wyzard | Traumatizer: .bash_profile and .profile are both recognized, but neither is required to exist... if you have a .bash_profile, it'll be in your home directory |
| 12:22.59 | buhman | Wyzard: speaking of shrinking/expanding, does parted need to make the ext4->3 conversion before resizing (which I believe you need to do with resize2fs) |
| 12:23.18 | buhman | Wyzard: or was it 4->2? |
| 12:23.31 | Traumatizer | k |
| 12:23.35 | Wyzard | buhman: I doubt it, unless you're using a very old version of parted |
| 12:23.42 | Black_Prince | Traumatizer, .profile is read by login shell, while bash is readed by non-login ones. |
| 12:23.54 | thewanderer1 | Traumatizer: 'su' changes $HOME. if you call just 'su username', it will execute .bashrc, but if you execute 'su - username' it should execute .profile AFAIK |
| 12:23.55 | Black_Prince | bash -> .bashrc |
| 12:23.56 | Wyzard | buhman: Current versions of resize2fs support ext3 and ext4 |
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| 12:24.08 | buhman | Wyzard: oh, ok |
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| 12:25.55 | Traumatizer | Ok thanks :D |
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| 12:28.16 | pufa | hi |
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| 12:28.32 | pufa | can somebody help me connect to my wireless network |
| 12:28.48 | pufa | when i have wpa2, wicd says bad password |
| 12:29.10 | pufa | when there isn`t encription, wicd says can`t obtain ip address |
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| 12:29.27 | pufa | wireless is broadcom bcm4312 |
| 12:29.34 | abrotman | did you install the firmware? |
| 12:29.47 | pufa | which is firmware?:) |
| 12:30.22 | Black_Prince | !b43 |
| 12:30.22 | pufa | i have b43-lpphy |
| 12:30.22 | dpkg | b43 is a driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:30.47 | pufa | i have b43-fwcutter too |
| 12:31.09 | pufa | wicd found my network, but can`t connect |
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| 12:31.20 | pufa | may be problem with wpa-supplicant?!?! |
| 12:31.28 | joe6 | i want to use the onboard vga even when I add an agp vga card. How do I configure that? |
| 12:31.36 | pufa | i have installed it, but no config.... |
| 12:31.56 | joe6 | is it possible? sorry abour that. |
| 12:32.03 | foetus | is testing new centerim.. |
| 12:32.19 | pufa | !b43-fwcutter |
| 12:32.20 | dpkg | b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 4 and 3 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers, for use by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers respectively. Packaged in <contrib>, see http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy for further details. Squeeze and wheezy users: the b43-fwcutter package does not download firmware, install the relevant installer package ("apt-cache search firmware-b43"). |
| 12:32.20 | foetus | result:) |
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| 12:35.47 | gugurang | What might be the reasons why i dont have tty? i'm using a nvidia geforce gt 540m, in acer aspire 4750g |
| 12:36.03 | joe6 | as soon as I put the agp card in, all the screen output goes to the card vga port and the linux kernel fails to startup with an ext4_fs error and drops to the initramfs prompt |
| 12:36.50 | joe6 | is there any way I can tell grub to use the onboard vga and ignore the agp card. |
| 12:37.13 | MrFrood | joe6: I know this is a bit radical but have you tried disabling kms..? |
| 12:37.32 | joe6 | MrFrood, will check up on that. Thanks |
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| 12:38.27 | Wyzard | joe6: I don't see how your video card is related to ext4 errors |
| 12:38.29 | joe6 | the agp card is an old ati 128 rage pro and I just want to use it for a second monitor, not as a primary monitor. |
| 12:38.32 | joe6 | I have checked the bios settings and I could not see anything there. |
| 12:38.42 | joe6 | Wyzard, yes, that is what I found weird. |
| 12:38.58 | joe6 | Wyzard,t complains about a 'deleted node referenced" |
| 12:39.05 | joe6 | s/t/it/ |
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| 12:39.23 | joe6 | and also says, no init found, try passing init= bootarg |
| 12:39.25 | buhman | joe6: the bios tends to control whether the pci or agp card is primary, in my experience |
| 12:39.50 | Wyzard | There's usually a BIOS setting for whether a video card should be preferred over the built-in video if both are present, but that just affects the BIOS text-mode stuff; xorg configuration is independent of that |
| 12:39.51 | joe6 | buhman, I have the bios set to vga/svga. let me double check it with the agp card. |
| 12:40.07 | joe6 | buhman, and, it actually make sense that the bios controls it. |
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| 12:40.12 | Wyzard | The ext4 error is probably unrelated, and you should investigate that separately |
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| 12:40.38 | MrFrood | joe6 is this day2 of your rearch for a solution? |
| 12:40.47 | joe6 | MrFrood, yes. |
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| 12:41.03 | buhman | Wyzard: I didn't think many (if not none at all) bios's supported using integrated and external vga bios's simultaneously, but I could easily be wrong |
| 12:42.45 | Wyzard | xorg doesn't depend on the system BIOS; it talks to the cards directly |
| 12:42.49 | MrFrood | Wyzard: I've had kms cause major kernel issues on older hardware |
| 12:43.23 | buhman | Wyzard: of course not, but I didn't think xorg decided which card was primary |
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| 12:44.11 | joe6 | MrFrood, this is my grub config file. http://sprunge.us/giZL if i disable kms, will it bother the ext4 modulesL |
| 12:44.16 | joe6 | s/L/? |
| 12:44.27 | Wyzard | xorg decides which picture to put on which monitor |
| 12:44.45 | Wyzard | joe6: I'm assuming that you're trying to eventually do dual-head in X |
| 12:44.53 | joe6 | Wyzard, yes |
| 12:45.26 | Wyzard | Your text-mode Linux console will only be on one monitor or the other, and that may derive from the BIOS's idea of a "primary" monitor, but xorg configuration is totally independent of that |
| 12:45.40 | joe6 | or, should I just buy a new vga card? Given that I do not do any gaming stuff and mostly using it for terminal or browser output, I was thinking that the ati may be good enough. |
| 12:45.45 | MrFrood | joe6: I just follow the instructions on a debian wiki page (I think I found the instructions for disabling kms on the nvidia debian-wiki page) |
| 12:46.42 | buhman | joe6: yeah, you might just temporarily edit the linux line of the grub configuration by adding on nomodeset |
| 12:46.47 | Wyzard | joe6: It might be better to get a single card with dual monitor outputs, even if it's a low-end one |
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| 12:47.31 | joe6 | MrFrood, just found this. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI it seems to have good info. thanks. |
| 12:47.31 | Wyzard | Desktop stuff tends to use OpenGL for compositing these days, and OpenGL across GPUs is more complicated than on a single GPU |
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| 12:48.02 | joe6 | oh, ok. |
| 12:49.23 | Wyzard | I know you can't do GL on both an nVidia GPU and a non-nVidia GPU at the same time, because they'd need to use different GL implementations and you can only have one or the other installed |
| 12:49.38 | Wyzard | dunno about mixing ATi with other GPUs; it might work if you use the free driver |
| 12:50.10 | buhman | joe6: right, expanding on that ^, you couldn |
| 12:50.16 | joe6 | oh, ok. I have a very simple gnome desktop and use xmonad on top of it. |
| 12:50.35 | buhman | couldn't use a fglrx-supported radeon and a non-fglrx-supported radeon simultanously |
| 12:50.36 | foetus | sometimes new 3d-cards are causing more problems using vga framebuffer than older ones..an old gfmx-400 could be much more fun than a gf6600..or newer |
| 12:51.09 | Wyzard | foetus: I'm using an nVidia 8800GT and didn't have to do anything special to get framebuffer working |
| 12:52.17 | foetus | Wyzard: ah, ok. dunno know your hardware:) an 8800GT is a nice one, yes. |
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| 12:53.23 | Wyzard | It's not exactly new, but it's newer than the 6600 you mentioned (and I've used a 6600 card without problems in the past) |
| 12:53.37 | buhman | joe6: I would imagine that using the free-radeon driver with some ati card it supports and mixing that with a 3dfx card, for example, would in all liklihood work |
| 12:54.12 | foetus | i'm using an old gfmx card on my old piii machine, the newer uses an gf8500GT. no problem. |
| 12:54.37 | joe6 | ok, I am logging out to try the nomodeset and check out the bios settings. will see you all in a few mins. |
| 12:54.46 | joe6 | thanks for your suggestions. |
| 12:55.07 | foetus | must free some resources.. |
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| 13:03.09 | pinoyoragon | My box dont show the ttys when i invoke ctrl+alt+F123456 i'm using a nvidia geforce gt 540m, in acer aspire 4750g |
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| 13:04.29 | Wyzard | I've had that problem before, sometime in the past few months, but not now |
| 13:04.38 | Wyzard | It may have been related to a buggy nvidia-glx driver that was in sid for awhile |
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| 13:08.52 | oobe | my desktop seems to freeze or lag when im copying large amounts of files from one disk to another is there any reason that comes to mind as to what is causing this? |
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| 13:09.23 | oobe | im using SATA disks and 64bit testing |
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| 13:09.47 | joe6 | this is my messages file: http://sprunge.us/dMjL . I renamed nautilus to nautilus.1 to not be bothered with the segfault issues. but, I am concerned about this: May 21 04:48:29 backup kernel: [ 11.096581] registered panic notifier |
| 13:10.22 | joe6 | when I use an agp card, i get an ext4_fs error, and I am suspecting that this line might provide a clue to that error. |
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| 13:10.36 | joe6 | any suggestions on how I can get more details and fix such panic |
| 13:10.36 | oobe | joe6, wait your turn no one has answered my question yet |
| 13:10.42 | oobe | haha joking |
| 13:10.56 | Wyzard | oobe: That can be caused by a problem known as "writes starving reads", though there's been work done on the kernel's I/O scheduler to mitigate it |
| 13:11.19 | oobe | hmm im using XFS btw |
| 13:11.27 | stenno1 | good day i have a strange problem ... i bought a compaq cq56, booted it in windows 7, pressed the 'toggle wlan' key, then i installed debian unstable, and now the key wont work anymore and ifconfig does not show a wireless interface |
| 13:11.52 | oobe | ok Wyzard if this was the issue would i see message like this in dmesg |
| 13:12.00 | stew | stenno1: have you ever had the wireless working in linux |
| 13:12.07 | stenno1 | stew, no |
| 13:12.16 | stew | stenno1: which wireless card do you have? |
| 13:12.24 | stenno1 | stew, just a second |
| 13:12.37 | stew | stenno1: best for us is if you could tell us the 8 digit vendorid:deviceid from "lspci -nn" |
| 13:12.47 | Wyzard | joe6: I don't see the string "ext4_fs" in that log anywhere, and the only occurrences of "ext4-fs" are successful mounts |
| 13:12.56 | MrFrood | stenno1: Debian unstable questions on #debian-next over at oftc |
| 13:13.08 | stew | or here |
| 13:13.41 | Wyzard | oobe: It's not a filesystem problem, it's a problem at the block layer, loading and storing sectors on the hard drive |
| 13:13.50 | MrFrood | stew: unstable not offically supported here |
| 13:14.00 | stew | its not officially supported anywhere |
| 13:14.08 | stew | i'm willing to help him here |
| 13:14.19 | oobe | hmm ok |
| 13:14.25 | joe6 | Wyzard, yes, that is what I found too. It shows those messages on the screen and they do not seem to be logged anywhere. |
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| 13:14.29 | oobe | thanks but how do i check if i get that error |
| 13:14.34 | oobe | cause i dont see it in dmesg |
| 13:14.39 | MrFrood | stew: #debian-next was specifically set up to provide unstable support |
| 13:14.42 | joe6 | Wyzard, it goes to the initramfs prompt |
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| 13:14.52 | oobe | however dmesg is being flooded with router logs |
| 13:14.53 | Wyzard | oobe: Writes tend to be buffered: a program can issue a bunch of write requests and then continue doing other things while the data is written in the background |
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| 13:15.04 | shrimpwagon | Hey fellas, how much space should be partioned for boot??? ... 20 MB ? |
| 13:15.23 | Wyzard | oobe: but reads tend to be "dependent": a program asks for some data to be read, and it has to wait for that read to finish before it can continue, even if continuing just means asking for more data to be read |
| 13:15.34 | stenno1 | stew, thanks! here is the id [14e4:4727] |
| 13:15.37 | oobe | shrimpwagon, i just dont make a /boot partition |
| 13:15.42 | oobe | its just easier |
| 13:15.47 | stew | judd: pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 13:15.50 | shrimpwagon | I have to in order to install grub |
| 13:15.50 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 13:16.01 | Wyzard | shrimpwagon: My /boot has 31MB used right now... I make a 100MB partition, so I have some extra space in case I need to install multiple kernels |
| 13:16.01 | jedd | i use to avoid /boot until i started encrypting everything (apart from /boot of course). |
| 13:16.24 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: ty |
| 13:16.31 | frostschutz | shrimpwagon: I currently have 62M used on /boot, I'd go for 128M rather than 20, if you have enough storage space... |
| 13:16.32 | jedd | my /boot contents is now about 200mb .. i'd give it 1gb just to be safe. |
| 13:16.32 | stenno1 | stew, alright so i have to install/load the brcm80211 |
| 13:16.36 | stew | stenno1: see the wiki.debian.org entry there, you are going to need to install firmware from the non-free repository to get that to work |
| 13:16.48 | Wyzard | oobe: When there's a lot of writing going on, it takes longer for read requests to be fulfilled, so processes spend a lot of time blocked waiting for reads to finish |
| 13:17.24 | Wyzard | joe6: It can't write messages to your log file if it can't mount the filesystem that *contains* the log file |
| 13:17.27 | oobe | yea its not a huge issue i just noticed it i am currently copying a 40GB folder to another drive |
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| 13:17.40 | Polysics | hello |
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| 13:18.00 | Wyzard | oobe: I used to have big problems with that in the past, but switching from raid5 to raid10 helped (raid5 is slow at writing), and newer kernels helped |
| 13:18.04 | Polysics | how can i set a sort of "default" permission on created directories and files inside a specific directory? |
| 13:18.06 | oobe | then starting copying smaller video files too and that was too much i had to walk away and come back after the smaller files transfered my mouse and keyboard became responsive again |
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| 13:18.16 | shrimpwagon | What is the Bootable flag???? |
| 13:18.25 | Polysics | a script we have writes data to the directory and is supposed to be run by different users |
| 13:18.33 | oobe | unfortunatly i do not use raid |
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| 13:18.40 | Polysics | each user has to go and chmod stuff before it runs, not ideal |
| 13:18.43 | Polysics | any ideas please? |
| 13:18.45 | oobe | i just have different drives |
| 13:18.46 | Wyzard | shrimpwagon: something that GRUB doesn't care about, and that actually shouldn't be set on a Debian partition in most cases |
| 13:18.49 | stew | shrimpwagon: its something that tells the windows bootloader (which you probably don't use, you probably use grub) which partition to boot. if you use grub you can ignore it completely |
| 13:19.03 | jedd | polysics - depending on your requirement, the sticky bit might help |
| 13:19.04 | oobe | i use symlinks to make it all appear on one main drive mounted in /data |
| 13:19.11 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: stew: Cool, ty so much |
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| 13:19.39 | shrimpwagon | One more ?.... primary vs logical ??? What's the difference |
| 13:19.39 | stew | Polysics: have the directory chmod 2775, and group owned by a group containing all the users, make the script set umask 002 |
| 13:19.50 | Polysics | jedd, the requirements are: a script uses a directory as its cache and storage |
| 13:20.01 | shrimpwagon | I put /boot as primary (100MB) and / as logical (119GB) |
| 13:20.02 | joe6 | i would recommend raid1 |
| 13:20.09 | jedd | Polysics: and the script is run by lots of different users? |
| 13:20.10 | Polysics | stew, the umask 002 is the problem as it is a ruby program |
| 13:20.18 | Polysics | jedd, yes, not a lot, 4 currently |
| 13:20.27 | stew | Polysics: why is that a problem? |
| 13:20.29 | Polysics | it's a development machine for a web scraping service |
| 13:20.31 | jedd | if you can set the umask for all four users, your problem is solved. |
| 13:20.36 | Polysics | i sure can |
| 13:20.52 | Polysics | so i should set the umask for the 4 users? |
| 13:21.07 | Wyzard | shrimpwagon: The partition table has space for 4 entries, and those are called "primary" partitions |
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| 13:21.28 | stew | shrimpwagon: the MBR partition table only has room for 4 partitions. those are the primary partition. one of those can be an extended partition which contains logical paritions with its own partition table somewhere else |
| 13:21.34 | jedd | yup - especially if you can wrap that umask set up insidethe thing that calls your ruby app .. if you don't, it'll change each users' umask across the board. this may be undesirable. |
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| 13:21.44 | Wyzard | shrimpwagon: You can use one of your primary slots for an "extended" partition, which contains a sort of sub-partition table (it's actually a linked list, not a table) within it |
| 13:21.48 | stew | Polysics: no, just for this script |
| 13:21.53 | Wyzard | shrimpwagon: and those sub-partitions are often called "logical drives" |
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| 13:22.15 | Polysics | i can wrap the ruby script in a bash one, i suppose |
| 13:22.22 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: I put /boot as primary (100MB) and / as logical (119GB) ... would this be ok then? |
| 13:22.31 | Polysics | i just have to find out how to handle ARGV in bash, but that should be fine |
| 13:22.40 | stew | Polysics: the other way is to use extended acls and set default acls on the directory |
| 13:22.48 | stew | Polysics: $1 $2 $3... |
| 13:22.52 | Wyzard | shrimpwagon: I avoid using logical partitions unless I actually need more than four on a drive, but that should work |
| 13:22.55 | joe6 | shrimpwagon, why do you need a separate boot partition?. they seem to run out of space |
| 13:22.57 | stew | Polysics: $@ for all arguments |
| 13:23.05 | joe6 | and it is a pita to clean it up once in a while. |
| 13:23.13 | jedd | joe6: separate /boot is v.useul if you want to encrypt / |
| 13:23.20 | shrimpwagon | joe6: I can't seem to install grub |
| 13:23.25 | joe6 | jedd, yes that makes sense. |
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| 13:23.43 | Wyzard | shrimpwagon: Some BSDs don't recognize logical partitions (last time I checked), so you might have problems if you needed to mount your Debian installation from a BSD system for some reason, but that's unlikely |
| 13:23.49 | joe6 | shrimpwagon, why not 1GB? |
| 13:23.59 | jedd | joe6: but yes, if you don't crypt / .. i'd probably avoid using a /boot partition. OTOH i've seen a few updates lately that have been confused by the absence of a separate /boot partition on some of my legacy boxes. |
| 13:24.05 | joe6 | the MB fill up pretty easily.. atleast that is what I thought. |
| 13:24.32 | shrimpwagon | joe6: for /boot ??? I don't know, I just think 1 GB is a bit much for /boot |
| 13:24.37 | Wyzard | joe6: 1GB for what, /boot? |
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| 13:24.44 | Wyzard | 1GB /boot is ridiculous |
| 13:24.51 | jedd | on a 1TB drive, are you going to miss 1GB? |
| 13:24.57 | Wyzard | You're never going to have anywhere near a gigabyte of kernels installed |
| 13:25.05 | joe6 | when you have 119GB, 1GB is nothing. |
| 13:25.20 | joe6 | and you do not have to worry about space issues. |
| 13:25.21 | jedd | ATM df suggests I have 198MB in /boot, but du suggests 59MB. {shrug} flippin' ext2 confused fs. |
| 13:25.29 | Wyzard | That's no reason to knowingly waste space |
| 13:25.43 | shrimpwagon | I agree |
| 13:25.52 | jedd | here's what you can do - createa 500MB swapfile in /boot and enable it - if you ever need the extra space in boot, remove that swap file. easy. |
| 13:25.55 | Wyzard | 100MB is more than enough, 200MB is very generous |
| 13:26.02 | jedd | that way you can *feel* like you're not wasting space. |
| 13:26.09 | joe6 | jedd's idea is good. |
| 13:26.19 | joe6 | have a swap file in /boot. |
| 13:26.27 | jedd | making /boot bigger later on would be a bigger pita than the slight niggling feeling you may have that you've 'wasted' 800MB of disk. |
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| 13:26.48 | jedd | (given 800MB of disk is 0.05% of my primary drive in my desktop, I'm having trouble being worried about it) |
| 13:26.49 | joe6 | yes, that is the issue. it is a pita to increase it later. |
| 13:27.20 | jedd | because i crypt all fs's other than /boot .. and I also like to reduce the number of partitions I keep on a drive - I tend to only use swap files rather than swap partitions. |
| 13:27.21 | Wyzard | Make it 5GB then, 1GB might not be enough and you wouldn't want to have to increase it later |
| 13:27.35 | Wyzard | Heck, 10GB if you want to be safe |
| 13:27.41 | joe6 | and it is hard to foresee space increases thene.. |
| 13:27.44 | jedd | Wyzard: haha. 5gb is clearly silly. 1gb is not especially wasteful. |
| 13:27.47 | Wyzard | Linux kernels might be really bloated a few decades from now |
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| 13:27.58 | joe6 | Wyzard, or, get rid of the /boot partition unless you are crypt'ing. |
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| 13:28.05 | jedd | Wyzard: how many kernels do you have installed at any point in time? and initramfs dumps? |
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| 13:28.21 | shrimpwagon | The installer has Logical automatically selected like it wants me to do that |
| 13:28.29 | Wyzard | jedd: Never more than 100MB, which is my point |
| 13:28.39 | jedd | Wyzard: but you accept others may have more? |
| 13:28.54 | Wyzard | jedd: Typically one, maybe two if I've upgraded recently and haven't removed the old one yet |
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| 13:29.16 | jedd | right. i tend to have 8-10 on average - a few more if i'm resolving problems or been lazy with cleaning up old images. |
| 13:29.17 | Wyzard | In unusual cases, sure, but those people know what they're doing and don't need to ask how big /boot should be |
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| 13:29.29 | jedd | Wyzard: good point. :) |
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| 13:29.51 | jedd | Wyzard: otoh, people who *are* asking are being answered by people who do know what they're doing, and that's why 1GB seems a reasonable suggestion ;) |
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| 13:30.57 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: The installer has Logical automatically selected like it wants me to do that |
| 13:30.58 | Wyzard | and by other people who know what they're doing and who think that's a waste :-P |
| 13:31.04 | Wyzard | but we're not adding anything to the discussion at this point |
| 13:31.25 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: After I have selected /boot as primary |
| 13:31.43 | Wyzard | shrimpwagon: If the installer defaulted to 100MB, that should be fine as long as you don't let lots of kernels pile up in there |
| 13:31.57 | joe6 | ok, i think I am better off buying a dual port vga card to have multiple monitor setup. Any suggestions on the most compatible brand for linux? |
| 13:32.03 | joe6 | or, card for that matter. |
| 13:32.06 | nadar | recently i installed debian squeeze xfce at a new box. i have the problem that it won't mount SD-cards which contain a logical partition (sdf1). if the fs is written plain on the card (sdf) automount for users works. doing as root mount /device /mountpoint works, too |
| 13:32.11 | nadar | any suggestions? |
| 13:32.14 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: Got that, ty. But after I set /boot as primary it autmatically selects Logical for / |
| 13:32.25 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: like it wants me to do that |
| 13:32.33 | stew | shrimpwagon: i don't think you should worry about this too much |
| 13:32.47 | shrimpwagon | So just leave it as primary? |
| 13:33.04 | Wyzard | shrimpwagon: You should be able to choose primary for / too, but I don't have extensive experience with the Debian installer's partitioner |
| 13:33.44 | Wyzard | I always use the "manual partitioning" option and I don't recall ever running into issues with it putting things in extended partitions |
| 13:34.15 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: I only have primary/logical as options |
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| 13:34.33 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: when I do the first one for /boot, it highlights primary |
| 13:34.42 | Wyzard | An extended partition is a special kind of primary partition that contains logical partitions |
| 13:34.50 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: but then on the same disk, when I partition /, it highlights logical |
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| 13:35.00 | Wyzard | I guess it creates one automatically if you specify any logical partitions, so it doesn't show you the choice |
| 13:35.26 | Polysics | there is no way to specify "please create files in there as XYZ mask"? |
| 13:35.36 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: It shows the choice, it just highlights logical like it wants me to do that |
| 13:36.03 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: AFTER, I have already did a /boot partition as a primary |
| 13:36.11 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: ....like it knows.... |
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| 13:36.25 | Wyzard | Like it knows what? |
| 13:36.36 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: What I should do |
| 13:36.40 | stew | Polysics: yes, with extended acls |
| 13:37.16 | Wyzard | It's probably defaulting to logical as the most flexible option, since you can only have four primary partitions, but you can have any number of logical partitions |
| 13:37.30 | Wyzard | and it doesn't know how many partitions you'll want |
| 13:37.31 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: Ah... |
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| 13:37.54 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: Would logical be a good choice if I every wanted to divide / with more partitions???? |
| 13:38.03 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: Not that I care too much about doing that |
| 13:38.08 | ivan-kanis | i need to install Debian 5.0 on a server that has Advanced Format hard disks. Do I need to do anything special? |
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| 13:38.10 | Wyzard | There's a slight portability issue (BSD's lack of support for logical partitions) but it's unlikely to be a problem either way |
| 13:38.24 | Wyzard | Personally, I just make one big primary partition and use LVM within it |
| 13:38.47 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: Not ext3 ?? |
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| 13:39.23 | Wyzard | LVM is another layer of partitioning, basically |
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| 13:39.42 | Wyzard | Linux-specific, but more versatile: you can create, resize, etc. while the system is running |
| 13:39.50 | Wyzard | Then I put ext4 in the LVM volumes |
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| 13:41.20 | Wyzard | Anyway, I'd suggest choosing primary for your / partition unless you need more than 4 partitions on the drive, but it shouldn't be a problem if you choose logical |
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| 13:43.01 | shrimpwagon | Wyzard: Cool deal, that makes sense, ty |
| 13:43.16 | stew | i suggest you stop worrying about it and just move on :) |
| 13:43.40 | shrimpwagon | Cross your fingers for me....I have had some trouble installing grub on this thing |
| 13:44.00 | shrimpwagon | stew: Haha...ok, ty |
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| 13:45.13 | shrimpwagon | I just don't want to get into a Ferrari and not know how to use the stick shift |
| 13:45.24 | Wyzard | ivan-kanis: http://lwn.net/Articles/377895/ looks relevant |
| 13:45.47 | Wyzard | ivan-kanis: Does the drive emulate conventional sectors, or does it actually expose the 4k sector size? |
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| 13:46.21 | ivan-kanis | Wyzard: i have no idea, it came with a notice too look at http://www.dell.com/512e-drives |
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| 13:47.42 | Wyzard | ivan-kanis: "512e" is the key word there: the sectors are 4k internally, but the drive pretends each real 4k sector is eight 512-byte sectors when talking to the outside world |
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| 13:47.50 | Wyzard | ivan-kanis: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format |
| 13:48.07 | Wyzard | ivan-kanis: Make sure all your partitions are aligned on 4k boundaries, but other than that, you probably don't have to do anything special |
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| 13:54.46 | davis | hello |
| 13:55.04 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:56.21 | ivan-kanis | Wyzard: thanx |
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| 14:01.26 | shrimpwagon | Yay!!! It worked. Thanks Wyzard and stew |
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| 14:23.48 | qwd | Debian Squeeze AMD64 Gnome. My computer suddenly started acting strange. I can't alt-tab or choose another application, I have to close the second one I opened before I can use the first one. Right clicking gives me no menu, neither does the menu button on the keyboard. I rebooted and the problem persists. What's going on? I've had this exact same problem before http://pastebin.com/0S9FiRsM |
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| 14:29.42 | project2501a | qwd: reconfigure X |
| 14:30.03 | project2501a | your xorg.conf is probably fucked |
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| 14:31.28 | qwd | project2501a: everythign worked just fine earlier, and I haven't installed anything or done any changes at all. same thing last time. I usually let the people on irc who helped me know what the solution was, but this time I can't find anything, so I'm guessing I didn't find a solution and it just solved itself. |
| 14:32.26 | Abddu | I have upgraded my testing debian, and udev package got upgraded from version 166 to 167. After a reboot my eth0 interface is not configured, so I can't connect to the internet using ifup eth0. Thus I can't try to install an older udev version, and I'm stuck. What should I do? |
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| 14:33.15 | glitch-mod | anybody know if its possible to get 3x5870 1x6990 working under squeeze? |
| 14:33.15 | Abddu | Forgot to mention: udev 167 is broken, fails on boot. This is why eth0 is not configured. |
| 14:33.45 | babilen | Abddu: Upgrade udev to the version in sid (also note that there is the #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid users) |
| 14:33.50 | glitch-mod | I tried installing non-free from repo but it only detected the 3 5870's not the 6990 |
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| 14:34.25 | babilen | glitch-mod: What is a 5870 or a 6990? |
| 14:34.49 | Abddu | babilen: That may be a good idea, as udev is probably fixed there, BUT I don't know any way to connect my eth0 right now. :/ |
| 14:34.49 | glitch-mod | babilen, radeon graphics cards |
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| 14:35.04 | babilen | glitch-mod: ah, important detail ;) |
| 14:35.53 | babilen | Abddu: Copy the .deb to a removable medium and install it from there. What errors do you get from udev? |
| 14:36.29 | glitch-mod | I figured anyone who knew didn't need that detail ;P |
| 14:36.37 | babilen | Abddu: But lets move it over to #debian-next .. see you there |
| 14:36.42 | wols_ | glitch-mod: backport the fglrx from sid |
| 14:37.05 | glitch-mod | wols_, should I just install sid? |
| 14:37.18 | Abddu | Copy |
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| 14:39.55 | wols_ | glitch-mod: no |
| 14:40.24 | babilen | Abddu: One thing you might also want to try in the meanwhile is to check if you have a /run directory and if the errors are related to that. If that is indeed the case you could remove that directory for the time being. |
| 14:40.30 | glitch-mod | wols_, stick with squeeze then, let me know what is optimal for my hardware config |
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| 14:40.53 | wols_ | glitch-mod: I told you a backport of fglrx from sid |
| 14:41.11 | glitch-mod | wols_, thank you |
| 14:42.09 | glitch-mod | wols_, Sorry I'm a noob but how do I backport from sid, add a line to my sources? |
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| 14:44.05 | a1 | qwd: any messages in the xsession-errors ? |
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| 14:45.54 | qwd | a1: a bunch of these: (gnome-panel:2185): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed |
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| 14:46.29 | a1 | qwd: that's not relative with that. |
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| 14:46.46 | wols_ | glitch-mod: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 14:49.21 | a1 | qwd: sorry, i don't know if it's relative or not. here is someone who gets the same error. (no answer) 4 Mar 2007 ... I know this is a chicken-and-egg point, where Windows has the exact same situation. Too often I hear "I can't switch to Linux because it ... |
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| 14:49.42 | a1 | qwd: sorry, i don't know if it's relative or not. here is someone who gets the same error. (no answer) https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=118581 |
| 14:49.57 | a1 | qwd: sorry, a wrong paste from the clipboard |
| 14:50.51 | qwd | I'll reboot and see if I can open the link before everything stops working. Be right back. |
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| 14:51.57 | matias | I have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main non-free" in my source.list, did it change? I think it doesn't work anymore |
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| 14:53.34 | matias | while trying to install anything from there it says "0% [Connecting to cdn.debian.net]" and never ends |
| 14:54.06 | Frann | Hi guys |
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| 14:55.21 | Frann | I'm having a problem with dpkg -i.... it's the last time I compile something from source.... any ideas? |
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| 14:55.28 | matias | actually it's down, I guess it has changed to other place and I didn't notice |
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| 14:55.57 | stew | Frann: what problem? |
| 14:55.59 | dkr | Frann: that's a very vague question. you need to supply more details |
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| 14:56.12 | LoneTech | Frann: I'm really curious what you're going to be compiling from instead of source. |
| 14:57.01 | Frann | It's kind of a server problem... The error is something like Binary incompatibility.... could it be something about configuration? |
| 14:57.12 | Frann | or it's just... dpkg? |
| 14:57.27 | stew | Frann: show us |
| 14:57.44 | jelly | Frann: pastebin the complete command you're running and its complete output |
| 14:57.46 | Frann | I think it downloads binaries for the ARM platform... how could I fix it? |
| 14:57.48 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:57.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:58.02 | matias | I guess none of you use Squeeze :P |
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| 14:58.27 | Frann | aptitude install <appname> |
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| 14:59.05 | matias | !repository |
| 14:59.06 | dpkg | A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto . Ask me about <list repositories>. |
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| 14:59.31 | matias | !list repositories |
| 14:59.32 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 14:59.40 | babilen | matias: Please /msg the bot |
| 14:59.56 | Frann | thanks |
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| 15:00.14 | matias | I don't know how to ask him to tell me what should I have in my source.list |
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| 15:02.05 | stew | matias: cdn.debian.net an unofficial bunch of different servers, some might be failing at any given time, use something like ftp.xx.debian.org where xx is a country code (like us,uk,es,etc) instead |
| 15:02.16 | dkr | matias: you could use apt-spy |
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| 15:02.57 | matias | you mean cdn.debian.net has exactly the same as ftp.us.debian.org, for example? |
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| 15:04.05 | stew | matias: yes, it is intended that they both have the same exact contents |
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| 15:05.09 | matias | I think dpkg should be updated in that matter, it's suggesting to add "cdn..." when you ask him using "!make squeeze sources.list" and I believe it's not working since 3 weeks ago or even more |
| 15:05.22 | matias | thank you all |
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| 15:08.31 | matias | I have changed it, it's working, thank you |
| 15:09.37 | stew | matias: it works for most people |
| 15:09.43 | stew | matias: (cdn.d.n that is) |
| 15:09.55 | stew | matias: which ip address is it that fails for you? |
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| 15:10.03 | matias | ahmn, weird, let me check the IP |
| 15:10.24 | matias | 200.17.202.1 |
| 15:10.28 | matias | is it correct? |
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| 15:11.22 | matias | PING cdn.debian.net (200.17.202.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 15:11.23 | matias | 7 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 6048ms |
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| 15:11.41 | stew | matias: there are many ip addresses and i don't know a way to enumerate them. i use a different one for cdn.d.n which works |
| 15:12.02 | matias | I don't have idea how to change that anyway |
| 15:12.09 | stew | matias: you cant |
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| 15:12.43 | matias | well, I guess I just won't use it |
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| 15:14.16 | stew | !tell root___ about root |
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| 15:19.15 | Tekku | cya later |
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| 15:25.46 | pperez | good mornig to all |
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| 15:26.58 | homie | good morning to some and goodnight to some |
| 15:27.05 | homie | and evening to others |
| 15:27.09 | pperez | in which log i can see the log of repositiries |
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| 15:27.19 | ike | homie: and how about "good day"? |
| 15:27.20 | homie | /var/log/dpkg ? |
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| 15:27.33 | ike | Log of repositories? |
| 15:27.42 | pperez | yes |
| 15:27.48 | homie | he means maybe the sources.list or the dpkg.log |
| 15:28.04 | ike | or /var/log/apt/*.log ? |
| 15:28.13 | homie | well or those yes |
| 15:28.14 | ike | or /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 15:28.28 | gops | hello world |
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| 15:28.54 | pperez | ok thanks a lot for all |
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| 15:30.39 | joe6 | just tested it with a different video card, still the same issue (any video card gives me an ext4_fs error about a deleted node and falls back to the initramfs prompt) |
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| 15:31.57 | joe6 | in recovery mode, it gets into a kernel panic |
| 15:31.59 | glitch-mod | how to I export the path for diablo miner |
| 15:34.04 | homie | glitch-mod: what do you mean ? |
| 15:34.40 | homie | you export paths within bash with export PATH="$PATH:/blah/blah", if you want to append to it |
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| 15:35.02 | homie | if you want to prepend to it you export it like export PATH="/blah/blah:$PATH" |
| 15:35.28 | homie | which won't alter the already defined paths |
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| 15:37.06 | DammitJim | is there an easy way to find the top 100 biggest files in your hard drive? |
| 15:37.15 | glitch-mod | sorry, forgot to mention for java |
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| 15:37.35 | stew | DammitJim: du -xk / | sort -n | tail -100 |
| 15:37.40 | stew | DammitJim: replace / with whatever mountpoint |
| 15:37.48 | DammitJim | holy crap, stew, that was fast! |
| 15:37.58 | DammitJim | I have been using du, but I wasn't sure what switches to use |
| 15:37.59 | stew | it actually will be quite slow |
| 15:38.00 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 15:38.13 | DammitJim | probably, right? unless I go to a specific subdirectory, right? |
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| 15:40.06 | DammitJim | stew, that gave me the smallest one on top, I think |
| 15:40.08 | DammitJim | ? |
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| 15:40.38 | homie | glitch-mod: java will look for it's classpath loadpath ? |
| 15:41.38 | stew | DammitJim: it would order smallest to largest, you can use sort -rn for the opposite (then you'd want head not tail if you want to truncate the ouptut. I'd probably just pipe it to less) |
| 15:41.40 | DammitJim | stew, I don't understand what k does |
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| 15:41.50 | stew | DammitJim: display sizes in kilobytes |
| 15:41.52 | DammitJim | oh, gotcha, man! |
| 15:42.02 | DammitJim | oh, is that why you have xk together? |
| 15:42.11 | DammitJim | -x seemed to indicate some kind of file system ignore |
| 15:42.29 | project2501a | NEEDS MORE LART |
| 15:42.51 | stew | its the same as -x -k. -x means "don't cross partition boundaries". so if you run it on / it won't include sizes on /usr (if /usr is a separate partition) |
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| 15:43.57 | DammitJim | wow, this was actually pretty fast |
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| 15:44.16 | DammitJim | this seems to be giving me the largest directories, though |
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| 15:49.11 | jedd | DammitJim: -a will show all files. |
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| 15:49.29 | DammitJim | thanks jedd |
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| 15:49.47 | jedd | DammitJim: it will also show your largest directories ... however. you may want to 'man find' for a better awy of doing this (tho' i use du -a | sort -n .. for 99% of my use cases) |
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| 15:50.22 | jedd | DammitJim: i meant to say - directories will tend to be, by definition, larger than the largest files ... so you'll have to contend with their presence in your output. |
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| 15:50.58 | bencc | how can I get the max allowed file-descriptors for a specific process? |
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| 15:52.32 | _hramrach | Hello |
| 15:52.57 | _hramrach | any good guide on how to package a Python module |
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| 15:53.29 | _hramrach | or more precisely some application that uses a binary python module, and does not have any install script |
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| 15:54.18 | babilen | _hramrach: I would suggest to ask in #debian-mentors or #debian-python on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:55.07 | _hramrach | thanks |
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| 15:59.16 | _hramrach | hmm, what is the script that packages something? It might actually work on the application |
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| 16:00.51 | babilen | _hramrach: dh-make ? |
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| 16:02.39 | webad_13 | how do I map keyboard shortcuts in tty |
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| 16:03.15 | babilen | webad_13: shortcuts for what? |
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| 16:04.00 | webad_13 | for example ctrl+[ would make: [] and place cursor in the middle of brackets |
| 16:04.14 | webad_13 | babilen: is it even possible |
| 16:04.36 | _hramrach | it's dh_make, thanks :) |
| 16:04.44 | babilen | _hramrach: yw |
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| 16:05.26 | babilen | webad_13: I don't see why it shouldn't be possible, but I can't tell you how to achieve that goal. What do you need it for? |
| 16:06.12 | webad_13 | faster coding when not using editor |
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| 16:06.57 | babilen | webad_13: why wouldn't you use an editor? |
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| 16:07.52 | webad_13 | babilen: because I am not in editor all the time and console is interactive... it is convenient for short codes |
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| 16:08.27 | _hramrach | yes, it works flawlessly :-) |
| 16:08.35 | babilen | _hramrach: great :) |
| 16:09.49 | webad_13 | babilen: do u have an idea where to look at for these shortcuts... it is readline mode |
| 16:10.06 | babilen | webad_13: Well, I guess most people just use an editor for anything that is even a little more complicated. I am not aware of a way to achieve what you are after, but that doesn't mean that is doesn't exist. Patching readline might be worth a look .. |
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| 16:10.40 | webad_13 | ah, I c |
| 16:10.44 | babilen | webad_13: n i d, sr f om a vwls! (i.e. please don't use "u") |
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| 16:18.32 | qwd | a1: Hi again, problem seems to have been solved (for now?) by unpluggig the mouse and plugging it back in again. |
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| 16:25.46 | swerve | what are these 'Unable to fetch' errors about in apt-get? |
| 16:26.15 | swerve | i ran apt-get update, update --fix-missing, apt-get clean, check, nothing works |
| 16:26.24 | homie | well, me pluggin my keyboard off and plugging it back in wouldn't solve the problem |
| 16:26.52 | swerve | Unable to fetch file, server said '/pool/main/f/ffmpeg-dmo/ffmpeg_0.6.2-0.3_i386.deb: No such file or directory |
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| 16:29.34 | stew | swerve: broken repository? that's not debian, right? |
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| 16:30.41 | _hramrach | old Packages file can cause that |
| 16:30.52 | a1 | qwd: interesting |
| 16:30.56 | _hramrach | or repo in the middle of an update |
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| 16:31.09 | stew | repo in the middle of an update shouldn't cause that |
| 16:31.23 | stew | (unless they are using their own broken script to mirror) |
| 16:31.56 | _hramrach | if managed properly. Many mirrors aren't |
| 16:32.05 | _hramrach | choose a different mirror I would say |
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| 16:32.40 | keith4 | aye. the official ftpsync script handles that case |
| 16:32.45 | qwd | a1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/41301 I think this is it |
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| 16:33.26 | _hramrach | it's just sad that to mirror 40 distributions you need 40 official scripts |
| 16:33.51 | keith4 | yikes. who's mirroring 40 distros? |
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| 16:35.09 | _hramrach | http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/WEB/index.html |
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| 16:35.39 | _hramrach | did not count them but ther eare many |
| 16:36.29 | _hramrach | and their Debian mirror used to be broken exactly in the way that would be avoided by using the official script |
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| 16:38.20 | dondelelcaro | _hramrach: you could mirror everything using --delay-updates or similar, and that would avoid most of the problems |
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| 16:38.45 | dondelelcaro | _hramrach: most of it is just people not thinking about what happens during the time that they're updating the mirror |
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| 16:39.32 | _hramrach | don't know aht they are doing now but it works for me quite reliably |
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| 16:39.58 | dondelelcaro | they probably started using --delay-updates --delete-after |
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| 16:40.18 | dondelelcaro | which would resolve all of the problems for all of the mirrors |
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| 16:44.02 | swerve | stew: i think it's the 'extracurricular' multimedia repo |
| 16:44.17 | swerve | trying to source a new one - anyone have 1 working? |
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| 16:47.36 | swerve | n/m got a canadian one |
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| 16:48.15 | msoos | Hi all |
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| 16:49.03 | msoos | Is this meant to be normal? the following command: gcc -static CMakeFiles/protocol.dir/protocol.c.o -o protocol libltcryptlib.a libaeslib.a ltmath/libltmathlib.a |
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| 16:49.05 | msoos | gives me: |
| 16:49.18 | msoos | collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault] |
| 16:49.18 | msoos | /usr/bin/ld: % |
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| 16:49.39 | msoos | I don't get it how ld could fail with segfault |
| 16:49.56 | weaseal | signal 11? |
| 16:49.59 | weaseal | could be cpu/memory failure |
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| 16:50.04 | msoos | I've had some trouble before with GCC (bug reported, fixed), but I am bumping into these all the time |
| 16:50.06 | msoos | yes, but why? |
| 16:50.12 | weaseal | shoddy hardware |
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| 16:50.15 | msoos | It's "ld", |
| 16:50.21 | msoos | no, not shoddy hardware :) |
| 16:50.31 | msoos | I am not *that* dumb |
| 16:50.41 | _hramrach | or a ld bug, those happen |
| 16:50.42 | msoos | I can reproduce this in virtual instance, too |
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| 16:50.45 | msoos | ld bug |
| 16:50.55 | msoos | yes, but hey, it's boring :( |
| 16:51.05 | _hramrach | but unless you have ecc memory you can't ber eally sure |
| 16:51.15 | msoos | I used to have, but those cost a lot |
| 16:51.17 | msoos | :S |
| 16:51.51 | msoos | anyway |
| 16:51.54 | _hramrach | if it's reliably reproducible it's more likely a bug |
| 16:51.56 | msoos | how do I compile this statically? |
| 16:52.13 | msoos | WIthout "-static" it works like a charm |
| 16:52.23 | _hramrach | rame errors would go away if you retry or kill the box if too severe |
| 16:52.24 | msoos | but then I have dependencies (which "ldd" shows) |
| 16:52.39 | msoos | so, any workaround you know? |
| 16:53.02 | _hramrach | oh, and try debsums to make sure your ld is OK too |
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| 16:53.41 | msoos | Look, I can reproduce this in a virutal image, with freshly installed debian, with simulated ARM processor |
| 16:53.41 | _hramrach | with buggy software you either fix it or try another version |
| 16:53.46 | msoos | so it is an LD bug it seems |
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| 16:53.58 | _hramrach | the same with hardware :p |
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| 16:54.11 | msoos | anyway, any workarounds you know? |
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| 16:55.02 | _hramrach | I have noidea because I don't know what you are building |
| 16:55.21 | _hramrach | but in general installing different version of build tools gives you different set of bugs |
| 16:55.50 | _hramrach | or building different version of the software, too |
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| 16:57.46 | _hramrach | STFW for the error with connection with the software you are building also often helps |
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| 17:24.24 | webad_13 | when I insert usb it is automounted in gnome - but in console this does not happend. is this nautilus thing or what? |
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| 17:25.06 | n3o | webad_13: thats autofs ! |
| 17:25.19 | Bushmills | usbmount mounts regardless of DE/file manager. nautilus doesn't |
| 17:25.20 | JordiGH | This is so weird. Ever so once in a while, in a way I haven't been able to predict, X goes into "I'm not gonna listen to you anymore" mode. Windows are still working, nothing is obviously frozen, but I can't switch windows nor move them and mouse events clicks don't register anything in xev and later, by itself, it goes back to normal. |
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| 17:25.28 | JordiGH | I have no idea what to debug. |
| 17:25.31 | JordiGH | I'm on squeeze. |
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| 17:26.05 | Bushmills | n3o: unlikely. autofs mounts on access, not on plugging in |
| 17:26.05 | doomster | another alternative to mount things via commandline is pmount, webad_13 |
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| 17:26.59 | somiaj | JordiGH: Sounds like some application is grabing the xevents -- usually the wm grabs the xevents and then does with them what you expect (change focus of a window, accpet a click or pass it to the program to deal with the event) |
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| 17:27.23 | JordiGH | somiaj: I'm using compiz, but even killing it and going to metacity is still doing the same. |
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| 17:27.38 | somiaj | JordiGH: but if the WM grabs an xevent and gets hung up -- not knowing what to do with it it can get in a state where it will keep grabing the xevents and not pass them onto any application. |
| 17:27.56 | JordiGH | Hm, middle-clicking seems to trigger it? |
| 17:28.09 | webad_13 | n3o: autofs? |
| 17:28.23 | somiaj | JordiGH: no clue now to debug which program is grabing the xevents -- it doesn't have to be the WM, but the WM is the usual culpriate |
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| 17:28.42 | n3o | webad_13: as Bushmills says its unlikely ! |
| 17:28.53 | JordiGH | Hmph, and now middle clicking with the touchpad (both buttons at once) doesn't register as a middle click, but as a simultaneous left and right click. |
| 17:28.54 | JordiGH | wtf X |
| 17:28.57 | JordiGH | srsly wtf |
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| 17:29.43 | somiaj | JordiGH: do you use a custom xorg.conf or have a blank one and let xorg figure out the defaults? |
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| 17:29.50 | webad_13 | Bushmills: so it is nautilus automounting, since I don't have anything set up in fstab |
| 17:29.57 | JordiGH | I certainly haven't messed around with xorg.conf |
| 17:30.03 | Bushmills | webad_13: it can do that, yes |
| 17:30.18 | JordiGH | I don't even have a xorg.conf, just checked. |
| 17:30.28 | somiaj | JordiGH: there is an option Emulate3Buttons which is needed to inturpit clicking both button 1 and 2 to act as a third button (instead of two seperate ones) |
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| 17:30.57 | daemonik1 | Is any one in here using conntrackd + keepalived for a highly available stateful firewall? |
| 17:31.21 | webad_13 | Bushmills: do u think usbmount is better than pmount? |
| 17:31.37 | JordiGH | somiaj: Well, it used to work before, and now it's randomly doing stupid shit. |
| 17:31.38 | Bushmills | webad_13: for automatically mounting when plugging in devices, yes |
| 17:31.45 | JordiGH | blames the non-free shit he's had to install on this work laptop. |
| 17:32.02 | JordiGH | Non-free Java, Skype, some stupid Juniper Networks thing to connect to the VPN. |
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| 17:32.52 | Bushmills | for manually mounting, pmount is yours |
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| 17:34.10 | somiaj | JordiGH: what is your push to talk button in skype? |
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| 17:34.22 | JordiGH | Skype isn't even running. |
| 17:34.49 | JordiGH | But... I do think I started to notice this faggotry when Skype got installed. |
| 17:34.56 | webad_13 | Bushmills: ty |
| 17:34.59 | JordiGH | I didn't know it had a push to talk button. |
| 17:35.05 | JordiGH | goes look. |
| 17:35.21 | somiaj | JordiGH: by default it doesn't, but its something that grabs xevents in the back ground if the push to talk button is set. |
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| 17:35.50 | JordiGH | Well, I can't click on the damn thing. |
| 17:35.51 | JordiGH | Ugh. |
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| 17:36.14 | JordiGH | restarts X. |
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| 17:37.19 | somiaj | JordiGH: but I don't know how to debug which application is grabing the x-events -- you could try a small wm/desktop env like fluxbox/fvwm to make sure its not something in gnome getting in the way. |
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| 17:37.45 | JordiGH | could skype be fucking things up even if it's not running? |
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| 17:37.51 | somiaj | JordiGH: no |
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| 17:37.55 | JordiGH | blames Skype for the economic recession. |
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| 17:39.12 | DammitJim | is there a check disk utility ? |
| 17:39.22 | JordiGH | fsck |
| 17:39.33 | Bushmills | there are check filesystem utilities |
| 17:39.34 | JordiGH | Pronounced "fisk". |
| 17:39.39 | JordiGH | But without the i. |
| 17:39.52 | JordiGH | Like psst, when you're calling someone. |
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| 17:40.47 | Bushmills | for checking disks, smartd could be a candidate |
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| 17:41.39 | JordiGH | somiaj: I wish I could at least figure out how to reliably make the thing happen. |
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| 17:45.16 | DammitJim | Bushmills, does it matter if it's mounted? Like I want to check the integrity of the disk that I'm usi |
| 17:45.18 | DammitJim | ng |
| 17:45.34 | _hramrach | JordiGH: the default for 3rd button has changed recently os it's expected it does no longer work |
| 17:45.35 | Bushmills | DammitJim: disk, or filesystem? |
| 17:45.47 | _hramrach | but losing tons of X events is odd |
| 17:45.48 | DammitJim | sorry, disk |
| 17:45.59 | DammitJim | like I just installed debian squeeze |
| 17:46.05 | DammitJim | and then I installed virtualbox-ose |
| 17:46.10 | DammitJim | and the thing keep bombing out |
| 17:46.22 | Bushmills | DammitJim: smartd runs during use of disk |
| 17:46.27 | DammitJim | I've had issues with this machine before... but the memory check was clear |
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| 17:46.46 | JordiGH | I wonder if it could be a hardware failure? I don't remember spilling tea on the touchpad, though. |
| 17:47.01 | JordiGH | And I don't think it's hardware, it works again if I restart X. |
| 17:47.04 | _hramrach | some time ago Firefox would get stuck in event grab if you dragged a bookmark |
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| 17:47.19 | Bushmills | DammitJim: you might also want to look at smartctl, and check the output periodically |
| 17:47.32 | _hramrach | event grab is used for pulldown menus, too. Pretty much anything does event grab |
| 17:47.45 | DammitJim | I found smartmontools and smart-notifier |
| 17:47.47 | karlpinc | DammitJim: The hardware diagnostics are: memtest86+, which should run overnight to get up to temperature/etc., badblocks (part of ext2 tools), which can run read diagnostics while the system is in use, and the smartmontools package (smartd/smartctl/etc/) |
| 17:47.48 | Bushmills | DammitJim: some monitor all S.M.A.R.T disk parameters periodically, in a graph |
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| 17:48.11 | _hramrach | JordiGH: it still might be because restrting X likely resets the touchpad |
| 17:48.27 | JordiGH | _hramrach: So it could still be hardware failure? |
| 17:48.39 | _hramrach | JordiGH: try to set up the screen grab break keys in xorg.conf |
| 17:48.42 | karlpinc | DammitJim: The smart tools ask the drive to do the diagnostics themselves. |
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| 17:49.09 | JordiGH | read xorg.conf(5) |
| 17:49.13 | _hramrach | JordiGH: you can always try to connect a mouse and try reproducing with that |
| 17:49.52 | JordiGH | Same behaviour with mouse. |
| 17:49.58 | JordiGH | So makes me think, probably not hardware failure? |
| 17:50.02 | _hramrach | AllowDeactivateGrabs |
| 17:50.20 | JordiGH | Doesn't Gnome have a touchpad config thing? |
| 17:50.27 | _hramrach | yes, probably something in X |
| 17:50.33 | JordiGH | I think the tapping of the touchpad was enabled, and I couldn't find where to disable it. |
| 17:50.45 | _hramrach | It should have |
| 17:50.49 | cire | Is there a way to see all parameters of a module? I don't mean the list of available params (as listed by modinfo) but their values atm. |
| 17:50.53 | JordiGH | There used to be some gui tool to config, which I'd prefer to messing around with xorg.conf |
| 17:50.55 | Bushmills | JordiGH: yes. pointing devices config |
| 17:50.57 | _hramrach | but maybe not installed by default |
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| 17:50.59 | JordiGH | Especially since this just started recently. |
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| 17:51.26 | JordiGH | Bushmills: Odd, there's no touchpad there. |
| 17:51.50 | Bushmills | independent of gnome, there's also tpconfig. |
| 17:51.54 | JordiGH | It seems to think my touchpad is a "PS/2 Generic mouse" |
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| 17:52.04 | Bushmills | additionally, you can set up touchpad in xorg.comf |
| 17:52.07 | Bushmills | conf |
| 17:52.12 | JordiGH | tries tpconfig |
| 17:52.36 | JordiGH | tpconfig says: "Could not open PS/2 Port [/dev/psaux]" |
| 17:52.36 | Bushmills | JordiGH: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1305913943538140203d.png |
| 17:52.37 | JordiGH | wtf |
| 17:53.08 | JordiGH | Okay, X thinks I don't have a touchpad or something. |
| 17:53.21 | JordiGH | Bushmills: Yeah, I see that in my current lovingly working vrms-approved laptop. |
| 17:53.40 | JordiGH | Non-free software did surreptitious machinations to my work lappy. |
| 17:53.48 | JordiGH | is sure of it. |
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| 17:54.31 | pontino | restart: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused |
| 17:54.35 | _hramrach | X thinking your touchpad is a mouse may be the root of the issue |
| 17:54.57 | Bushmills | googles that funny term "ubuntu" |
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| 17:55.50 | _hramrach | JordiGH: what does X log and kernel say about the touchpad? |
| 17:55.51 | JordiGH | Hm, so... |
| 17:56.14 | _hramrach | JordiGH: and it *can* be USB, too |
| 17:56.19 | JordiGH | _hramrach: Hm, nothing in dmesg.. |
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| 17:57.04 | _hramrach | there should be something, at least that you have a PS/2 port |
| 17:57.07 | JordiGH | Nothing in Xorg.0.log about synaptics nor touchpad nor pointing. |
| 17:57.21 | JordiGH | Ah, there we go. |
| 17:57.32 | _hramrach | but synaptics should be reported even in kernel log |
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| 17:57.49 | _hramrach | how an you use use a mouse if X does not find a pointer? |
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| 17:58.50 | JordiGH | Yeah, nothing in dmesg about synatpics anything. |
| 17:59.21 | JordiGH | Uh, but nothing either in the laptop where everything works wonderfully. |
| 17:59.36 | webad_13 | Bushmills: I installed pmount but it says permission denied if I don't run it with sudo... and if I run it with sudo then I don't have permission to read the mounted drive |
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| 17:59.57 | _hramrach | http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Synaptics_Touchpad |
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| 18:00.42 | Bushmills | webad_13: did you read the pmount man page? |
| 18:00.55 | JordiGH | _hramrach: http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:01.06 | webad_13 | Bushmills: a bit :) |
| 18:01.08 | martinvol | hi there |
| 18:01.19 | Bushmills | webad_13: then read it about permission restriction |
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| 18:01.54 | JordiGH | Huh, does it matter that X was built for a different Linux than the one I'm running? |
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| 18:02.07 | JordiGH | Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.37-trunk-amd64 x86_64 Debian |
| 18:02.08 | JordiGH | Current Operating System: Linux juliet 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 7 21:35:22 UTC 2011 x86_64 |
| 18:02.12 | JordiGH | wtf |
| 18:02.40 | martinvol | I'm, looking for a sysadmin mailinglist and I can't find it, is there any? |
| 18:02.43 | Bushmills | JordiGH: "built on..." or "built for..."? |
| 18:02.55 | _hramrach | should not be an issue |
| 18:03.01 | JordiGH | Bushmills: The lines above in Xorg.0.log |
| 18:03.09 | _hramrach | but 2.6.32 is old |
| 18:03.22 | Bushmills | JordiGH: that's "built on..." |
| 18:03.24 | JordiGH | _hramrach: It's not old, it's what's on squeeze, works wonderfully. |
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| 18:03.37 | Bushmills | "on" is uncritical. "for" may be critical |
| 18:04.35 | _hramrach | JordiGH: apparently it does not recognize your touchpad. Try to frob some BIOS settings, too |
| 18:04.43 | sketchysecurity | So, about that system bell: I've blacklisted the modules, removed it from inputrc, etc; and it's still beeping on shutdown - what am I missing? |
| 18:04.51 | JordiGH | _hramrach: Alright, let's see... |
| 18:04.56 | Bushmills | sketchysecurity: earplugs |
| 18:05.12 | _hramrach | and the synaptics page tells you how to tell that your kernel does recognize your touchapd |
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| 18:05.16 | JordiGH | halt -n |
| 18:05.17 | JordiGH | biostime |
| 18:05.22 | sketchysecurity | will earplugs capture system bell? |
| 18:05.29 | JordiGH | _hramrach: yeah, reading that page now. |
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| 18:05.54 | AlexMax | Where can I find net install images for oldstable? |
| 18:05.57 | _hramrach | sketchysecurity: perhaps it's playing though your soundcard? |
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| 18:06.35 | sketchysecurity | _hramrach: that would be my only guess |
| 18:06.37 | keith4 | AlexMax: any cd mirror, no? |
| 18:06.39 | Bushmills | they render the effect of system bell neglectible |
| 18:06.48 | _hramrach | oh, and inputrc does not affect sending bell on shutdown, you can test pressing Ctrl+g |
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| 18:07.33 | sketchysecurity | I never even heard the bell last time I had debian installed on this laptop |
| 18:07.51 | sketchysecurity | Got me some dirty looks in class today when I shut down |
| 18:08.18 | keith4 | AlexMax: hmm, maybe not |
| 18:08.27 | AlexMax | keith4: I tried looking on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 18:08.33 | _hramrach | maybe the sound drivers improved since then and plumbed the bell through the sound card |
| 18:08.50 | doomster | what kind of class is that where you get dirty looks that easily? =) |
| 18:08.58 | sketchysecurity | could be, but I have all volume settings on zero |
| 18:09.02 | _hramrach | you can see if htere is sysbeep or somesuch among your mixer controls |
| 18:09.06 | sketchysecurity | doomster: Business Law |
| 18:09.08 | JordiGH | _hramrach: Okay, found the BIOS thing for it. It says it leaves the touchpad enabled when an external PS/2 mouse is present. |
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| 18:09.25 | doomster | =( |
| 18:09.38 | _hramrach | JordiGH: you can try setting it to different values |
| 18:09.44 | Bushmills | sketchysecurity: these kind of dirty looks? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt1bgsvsWms |
| 18:10.06 | _hramrach | sketchysecurity: try plugging a jack into an earphone output if you have one |
| 18:10.31 | _hramrach | until you find out how to really disable the beep :p |
| 18:10.40 | sketchysecurity | that exact look |
| 18:10.54 | sketchysecurity | also, will do the earphone thing for now, good idea |
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| 18:12.00 | sketchysecurity | I've really always been tempted to pop open my laptop and remove the speakers |
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| 18:13.04 | webad_13 | Bushmills: I am having a bit of trouble with this, I did add myself to the plugdev group with adduser username plugdev but I still get permission denied |
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| 18:13.25 | Bushmills | webad_13: you logged out and in again? |
| 18:13.29 | webad_13 | nope |
| 18:13.32 | sketchysecurity | usermod, not adduser |
| 18:13.34 | JordiGH | Ah. |
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| 18:13.43 | JordiGH | Linux says I have an Alps touochpad. |
| 18:13.49 | webad_13 | sketchysecurity: adduser is also fine I think |
| 18:14.46 | sketchysecurity | webad_13: Might be, I never remember. If it doesn't work, `usermod -G plugdev webad_13` should |
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| 18:15.11 | Bushmills | using adduser that way is ok |
| 18:15.57 | webad_13 | Bushmills: to log out was necessary, but now it is taking forever to mount it... |
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| 18:16.24 | webad_13 | still mounting |
| 18:16.45 | webad_13 | I hope nothing is getting deleted cause I see the activity |
| 18:16.46 | webad_13 | :) |
| 18:16.52 | JordiGH | Blegh, the external usb mouse and touchpad works, but no clicking is allowed. |
| 18:17.12 | JordiGH | Oh, and now I can't switch windows. |
| 18:18.22 | JordiGH | Because xev thinks... something strange. |
| 18:18.24 | JordiGH | cries. |
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| 18:26.12 | webad_13 | Bushmills: sorry that I am bothring u all the time, but it is not able to mount it... does it matter that partition is NTFS? |
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| 18:26.43 | webad_13 | Bushmills: I keep waiting for ti to mount and I can see the light flashing but mounting does not happen |
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| 18:27.09 | webad_13 | /bin/mount terminated with status 32 |
| 18:27.38 | doomster | check kernel log (dmesg) and run mount in verbose mode perhaps? |
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| 18:28.08 | ddp89 | Excuse me, a package that was in lenny (unfs3, I needed it for providing NFS service from an OpenVZ VE) isn't anymore in squeeze. Where can I ask why it had been dropped, and if it is possible to see it againg in squeeze (or at least in squeeze)? |
| 18:28.13 | webad_13 | Bushmills: finally it mounted it but it really took around 5 min |
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| 18:28.18 | webad_13 | that doesn't seem right |
| 18:28.31 | stefan3 | Can anyone recommend any tools for doing a speed and link quality tests over a long period (1 month) between two debain machines? Also something that I could then chart with rrdtool? |
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| 18:29.15 | dondelelcaro | stefan3: why do you want to test the link for that long? |
| 18:29.44 | dondelelcaro | stefan3: but regardless, you can do pretty much anything to generate traffic between the machines, and then plot the results using munin or similar |
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| 18:30.03 | stefan3 | dondelelcaro, because the link quality is sporatic. changes over the time of the day and the time of the week |
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| 18:30.19 | dondelelcaro | stefan3: you mean the bandwidth on the link? or the packet loss? or what? |
| 18:30.25 | JordiGH | So who's going to debconf? |
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| 18:30.36 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: I can't |
| 18:30.45 | stefan3 | dondelelcaro, I dont actually really care about the speed but that is also sporatic, its more the link quality. |
| 18:30.53 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Pity, you were one of the people I would have liked to meet. |
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| 18:31.17 | stefan3 | dondelelcaro, I was hoping for some pre existing scripts I could use instead of setting up something from scratch |
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| 18:31.49 | dondelelcaro | stefan3: so the number of dropped packets? you'll see that on standard munin graphs |
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| 18:32.19 | Bushmills | stefan3: for graphing with rrdtool, munin is an option. plugins are simple to write, and many exist, including bandwidth monitoring |
| 18:32.44 | stefan3 | Thanks I will look into it. |
| 18:32.56 | Bushmills | latency measurement is one thing you want to do |
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| 18:33.10 | dondelelcaro | yeah... the multiping munin plugin will do that |
| 18:33.37 | stefan3 | I find that ping isnt reliable enoght to prove a bad connection |
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| 18:34.02 | Bushmills | generally, if connection is bad, latency rises |
| 18:34.33 | Bushmills | i'm using fping to measure. easier to parse |
| 18:34.33 | dondelelcaro | stefan3: you graph the latency, which is what gives you an idea of what is going on on the link |
| 18:34.44 | stefan3 | k, thanks |
| 18:34.45 | dondelelcaro | also uses mtr |
| 18:35.16 | Bushmills | dondelelcaro: as munin plugin? |
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| 18:35.33 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: no, just standalone |
| 18:35.51 | dondelelcaro | (that's for when I suspect that the link is dodgy to try to figure out where the problem is) |
| 18:36.09 | Bushmills | ah, ok. i was considering putting an mtr based plugin together for munin, but couldn't decide how to deal with changing hops |
| 18:36.14 | stefan3 | The problem is my ISP, I just need proof :) |
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| 18:37.15 | ner0x | Why is chromium only based on chrome version 6 when version 11 is out? |
| 18:37.37 | Dreaman | add repo |
| 18:37.37 | doomster | ask google? |
| 18:37.42 | Dreaman | and install 11 |
| 18:37.43 | Dreaman | ;) |
| 18:37.54 | ner0x | Oh, where? |
| 18:38.06 | Bushmills | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 18:38.06 | ner0x | Seems very old not to be in stable or at least testing. |
| 18:38.07 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; wheezy: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; sid: 11.0.696.68~r84545-2 |
| 18:38.09 | Dreaman | 11.0.696.68 (84545) Built on Debian unstable, running on Debian wheezy/sid |
| 18:38.23 | dondelelcaro | ner0x: 11 is in unstable |
| 18:38.56 | ner0x | So there haven't been ANY updates that were stable from 6-11? I find that hard to believe. :) |
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| 18:39.39 | stew | ner0x: 6 was the stable version at the time that the current debian stable was frozen |
| 18:39.58 | ner0x | I'm new to debian, how does the release cycle work? |
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| 18:41.43 | stew | ner0x: we set goals for a release when it is in the "testing" phase. when the goals are reached, we freeze debian testing so that the only new packages that get in are bugfixes. when there are no more known release critical bugs, it is released as stable and a new testing is created. once stable is released, it only gets updated for security patches |
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| 18:41.55 | dondelelcaro | ner0x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Distributions |
| 18:42.00 | _ronin | S4mu31__ |
| 18:42.27 | _ronin | S4mu31__ |
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| 18:47.26 | Bird|ghosted | how should I go about getting my Debian Testing box to tell the correct time? is it just a matter of running ntpdate? |
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| 18:47.44 | Dreaman | ner0x use Iceweasel 4.0.1 |
| 18:47.57 | Laberkopf | anyone from czech here? |
| 18:48.35 | stew | Bird|ghosted: install the ntpd package which starts a daemon that continuously keeps the clock in sync |
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| 18:49.07 | Bird|ghosted | stew, you mean openntpd? |
| 18:49.10 | ner0x | Dreaman: I detest iceweasel. |
| 18:49.11 | MrFrood | Laberkopf: try #debian-cz on oftc |
| 18:49.25 | Bird|ghosted | ner0x, chromium is available in the repos as well |
| 18:49.30 | Bird|ghosted | (that's what I run on this box, actually) |
| 18:49.44 | ner0x | Bird|ghosted: that's what I'm using. Very old in comparison though. |
| 18:50.06 | unforgiven512 | Hmm, is there any way to set the default terminal size for gnome-terminal? I tried setting it via the gconf keys, but it seems they're not respected... |
| 18:50.10 | ner0x | Squeeze, Wheezy, Then Sid? |
| 18:50.10 | Bird|ghosted | ner0x, yeah. that's kinda to be expected w/ Debian boxen. we don't exactly use bleeding edge software versions out in Debian-land |
| 18:50.16 | stew | Bird|ghosted: sure openntpd is the same |
| 18:50.35 | stew | Bird|ghosted: i said ntpd but I should have said just ntp |
| 18:50.39 | ner0x | Bird|ghosted: Which I'm 100% okay with. After the ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 incident I'll stick with older but stable. |
| 18:50.44 | Bird|ghosted | ner0x, yeah, I'm on testing (Wheezy atm) |
| 18:50.57 | cusco | ner0x: I run dev channel of chromium |
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| 18:51.02 | cusco | just download and run it |
| 18:51.22 | doomster | cusco, is it ported to PPC yet? |
| 18:51.31 | Bird|ghosted | it's a good balance between "breaks every time you turn around" and "too old to be any good" |
| 18:51.35 | cusco | doomster: I don't think so |
| 18:51.51 | doomster | darn, would really like to try it |
| 18:51.53 | ner0x | cusco: I'm just whining because I maintain a web app and checking on so many browsers is annoying. |
| 18:52.01 | ner0x | Nothing to do specificaly with debian or chromium. |
| 18:52.13 | cusco | ok |
| 18:52.17 | Bird|ghosted | hehe. :p yeah...write to the standard then insert hacks as needed |
| 18:53.40 | ner0x | I wish I only had to do the backend. |
| 18:53.43 | ner0x | Life would be grand. |
| 18:53.46 | Bird|ghosted | heh |
| 18:53.55 | Bird|ghosted | I still haven't quite wrapped my head around web app design |
| 18:54.04 | Bird|ghosted | I've dinked with HTML4/CSS before |
| 18:54.16 | Bird|ghosted | and I've dealt with templating engines (Mako in particular) before |
| 18:54.22 | Bird|ghosted | and I've done database shizzle before |
| 18:54.44 | Bird|ghosted | but I still can't get my head around a web framework yet :P |
| 18:54.55 | ner0x | That is my forte. |
| 18:55.10 | ner0x | Been doing it freelance for the past two years or so. |
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| 18:55.16 | Bird|ghosted | ah. |
| 18:55.37 | ner0x | I still hate web design. |
| 18:55.44 | ner0x | I enjoy web development. |
| 18:55.53 | Bird|ghosted | what language? (I'm a C++-turned-Python guy myself, and if you'd rather we take it to PM, feel free to) |
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| 19:00.28 | juso | ok so if I have a load of 5 and it goes to 10, thats a 100% increase, but if I have a 10 and got to 5 its not a 50% decrease? |
| 19:01.36 | Bird|ghosted | stew, do I need ntpdate or rdate as well? |
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| 19:01.45 | Bird|ghosted | or should I just stop ntpd and restart it with -s? |
| 19:02.02 | stew | Bird|ghosted: you shouldn't need anything else if you are running ntpd |
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| 19:02.23 | rhenani | Hello Guys I have a quick question |
| 19:02.38 | rhenani | I'm working in VMwareworkstation |
| 19:02.39 | Bird|ghosted | stew, because apparently ntpd didn't go in and adjust the clock when it started (!?) |
| 19:02.42 | rhenani | and i want to install debian |
| 19:02.47 | rhenani | 6.0.1 suqeze |
| 19:02.58 | rhenani | in my virtual machine |
| 19:03.13 | thewanderer1 | what's a really minimal HTTP server, like dhttpd, but with directory listings? has to be runnable without root nor inetd |
| 19:03.24 | rhenani | Bit it has 2 partitions 20gb each = 40 gb |
| 19:03.28 | rhenani | in one i have windows 7 |
| 19:03.35 | doomster | Bird|ghosted: it needs access to a timeserver, it then logs to syslog what it does and if it finds problems |
| 19:03.43 | rhenani | and in the one that is free i want to install debian squeze |
| 19:03.46 | rhenani | is that ok? |
| 19:03.51 | stew | Bird|ghosted: is ntpd currently running with the -g flag? |
| 19:03.58 | thewanderer1 | rhenani: sure, why not? |
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| 19:04.08 | stew | Bird|ghosted: /etc/default/ntp should specify that it gets the -g flag |
| 19:04.14 | Bird|ghosted | I have two ntpd procs, neither of them are passed -g |
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| 19:04.26 | Bird|ghosted | stew: no such file |
| 19:05.03 | stew | Bird|ghosted: ahh, if you removed that file then it won't get -g, which tells it to adjust the clock even if it is far off. you should create that file with a single line "NTPD_OPTS='-g'" |
| 19:05.04 | jeward | I've just PXE booted a server into rescue mode but there's no fsck? |
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| 19:05.52 | jeward | Is there any mode I can boot from the install image that will give me fsck? |
| 19:06.07 | rhenani | thewanderer1: then i when i boot the machine will i be able to choose what operating system run? |
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| 19:06.17 | rhenani | rhenani: same as physical machine?? |
| 19:06.31 | Bird|ghosted | stew, also my /var/log isn't world readable, which is quite annoying. what's the best way to fix that? |
| 19:06.38 | _hramrach | jeward: fsck is on the server filesystem |
| 19:06.46 | stew | Bird|ghosted: oh, hmm, this might be a difference between ntp and openntpd |
| 19:06.48 | pipeline | Bird|ghosted: /var/log contains sensitive data. Not a bug. |
| 19:06.51 | _hramrach | or you can use debian-live |
| 19:06.57 | stew | Bird|ghosted: add the user that should be allowed to read logs to the adm group |
| 19:07.03 | Bird|ghosted | ok. thx stew |
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| 19:07.26 | jeward | _hramach: So i have to mount the filesystem I want to fsck to fsck it? |
| 19:08.02 | jeward | _hramach: Should I copy off the fsck program and unmount the filesystem? |
| 19:08.09 | unforgiven512 | Hmm, it seems that seahorse-plugins *relies* on gnome-keyring, however, it's listed as *breaking* it. |
| 19:08.12 | thewanderer1 | rhenani: I don't know VMware, but presumably yes, if you install a bootloader. it needs VMware to emulate BIOS, but I guess it already does it. |
| 19:08.27 | _hramrach | jeward: you should use a differren media if you are concerned |
| 19:08.34 | Bird|ghosted | stew, once I create /etc/default/ntp, should I just restart ntpd? |
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| 19:08.44 | _hramrach | eg. debian-live which conatins a fsck |
| 19:08.49 | stew | Bird|ghosted: did you install ntp or openntpd? |
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| 19:08.55 | Bird|ghosted | stew, openntpd |
| 19:08.56 | rhenani | thewanderer1: Thanks |
| 19:08.58 | jeward | _hramach: The server is 1000 miles away and no one in the data center until Monday... |
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| 19:09.10 | _hramrach | you could mount the filesystem readonly but mounting readonly modifies the filesystem in Linux |
| 19:09.24 | ^R_Z_A^ | could someone give me a hand installing basket notepad ? |
| 19:09.40 | _hramrach | if you can pxe-boot the install media you can pxe-boot the d-l image |
| 19:09.40 | stew | Bird|ghosted: sorry, i'm not sure about that one. i erroneously thought that openntpd was a new name for the ntp package, but they seem to be diffferent implementations |
| 19:09.46 | jeward | _hramach: I have no /dev/sda devices? |
| 19:10.00 | _hramrach | ?? |
| 19:10.11 | jeward | _hramach: Oh I see, I'd need to install it on the PXE server? |
| 19:10.19 | ^R_Z_A^ | when i run installer script i get a error message couldnt find kde4-core |
| 19:10.28 | ^R_Z_A^ | ...//?? |
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| 19:10.33 | jeward | _hrmach: There are no /dev/sda devices in the resuce mode. |
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| 19:11.11 | _hramrach | then you are missing something, try to go through loading additional direvers befor going to the rescue shell |
| 19:11.40 | jeward | K, I stopped after the network didn't configure, redoing from there. |
| 19:12.06 | Bird|ghosted | May 20 14:17:44 kb1rd-mobroost ntpd[15319]: adjusting local clock by -515.415714s <-- I got that log message, but the clock didn't actually change !? |
| 19:12.12 | jeward | Maybe it skipped getting sda drivers. |
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| 19:12.18 | _hramrach | it may need the network to load the drivers |
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| 19:12.21 | Bird|ghosted | sorry |
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| 19:12.38 | jeward | _hramach: network configured |
| 19:13.15 | _hramrach | so try the other steps, there should be something like detect hardware |
| 19:13.25 | jeward | _hramach: detecting disks and other hardware... looking good. |
| 19:13.41 | jeward | Maybe it'll have fsck now. :-) |
| 19:13.51 | _hramrach | but beware that once you try to mount the disk it does get modified |
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| 19:13.58 | _hramrach | there is no real readonly mode in linux |
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| 19:14.21 | jeward | _hramach: Should I copy off the fsck binary and unmount the partition? |
| 19:14.36 | doomster | _hramrach: so how do you mount CDs? |
| 19:14.37 | Bird|ghosted | jeward, dynamic libraries :P |
| 19:14.42 | _hramrach | Still you should be able to fsck a readonly mounted filesystem |
| 19:14.44 | jeward | No disk drive was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed │ |
| 19:14.44 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.49 | jeward | Not good. :-( |
| 19:15.11 | _hramrach | doomster: it just fails on them if they contain something like ext3 but the kernel *does* try |
| 19:15.41 | jeward | _hramach: I'm afraid this machine is quite ill. |
| 19:15.53 | _hramrach | jeward: is there some step for loading additional drivers? |
| 19:16.16 | jeward | _hramach: It's offering to load a plethora of disk device drivers. |
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| 19:16.22 | jeward | It's a Dell 1950. |
| 19:16.28 | _hramrach | jeward: check that the adaptor to which hte drives are connected is detected - go to the rescue shell and run dmesg or something |
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| 19:17.38 | jeward | _hramach: checking |
| 19:18.34 | Bird|ghosted | May 20 14:17:44 kb1rd-mobroost ntpd[15319]: adjusting local clock by -515.415714s <-- I got that log message, but the clock didn't actually change !? (repost, not sure if anyone answered me during the brief period I was not in the channel) |
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| 19:19.21 | _hramrach | Bird|ghosted: that's like 5min, are you sure you would notice that adjustment? |
| 19:20.16 | Bird|ghosted | yeah. the next timestamp in my syslog just marches on my merry way, and my clock is still several minutes too fast! |
| 19:20.23 | Bird|ghosted | *on its merry way |
| 19:21.02 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:21.11 | Bird|ghosted | _hramrach, it's an 8min 30sec adjustment. so yeah...the clock on this box got a bit whonked |
| 19:21.23 | _hramrach | Bird|ghosted: try ntpdate then |
| 19:22.12 | _hramrach | ntpd is good at smaller adjustments but might fail at larger |
| 19:22.13 | stew | Bird|ghosted: it won't rewind the clock in one big jump, its going to slew it back to corred |
| 19:22.22 | stew | Bird|ghosted: you don't want to experience the same time twice |
| 19:22.35 | Bird|ghosted | stew, ah. |
| 19:22.38 | stew | Bird|ghosted: see if its getting closer |
| 19:22.58 | jeward | _hramach: I want to try to enable the live image to boot. The guy who set up the PXE server said he is not using an ISO. |
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| 19:23.16 | Bird|ghosted | hrm I'll try an initial adjustment with ntpdate |
| 19:23.20 | jeward | _hramach: Do I need an alternate image for debial live to boot from PXE? |
| 19:23.44 | _hramrach | jeward: you need the get the initrd and kernel from the live iso |
| 19:23.46 | helplinuxplease | hi how do i set my server up so that evertime a user creates a file/folder the permissions will be rw-rw-r--? right now everytime a user creates a file it is rw-r-r- |
| 19:24.08 | _hramrach | jeward: and place the iso anywhere on hte net where the server can reach it |
| 19:24.13 | jeward | _hramach: I'm looking for a setup procedure. |
| 19:24.25 | somiaj | helplinuxplease: look at the file mask, that is used for default primisions |
| 19:24.49 | _hramrach | jeward: there is a manual for debian-live |
| 19:24.56 | Bird|ghosted | helplinuxplease, yeah, umask is what you want |
| 19:24.56 | somiaj | helplinuxplease: look up umask |
| 19:25.25 | helplinuxplease | just found that, should i also edit /etc/profile/ |
| 19:25.27 | somiaj | helplinuxplease: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html seems to be somewhat useful. |
| 19:25.30 | helplinuxplease | ?* |
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| 19:26.19 | helplinuxplease | ok thanks |
| 19:26.23 | helplinuxplease | i appreciate the help |
| 19:26.33 | _hramrach | jeward: are you running squeeze or something else? |
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| 19:27.26 | jeward | _hramach: The downed server is lenny. |
| 19:27.45 | jeward | _hramach: Is this what I'm looking for? http://onebitbug.me/use-debian-live-to-create-customized-pxe-live-debian |
| 19:28.10 | Bird|ghosted | _hramrach: just tried stepping my clock with ntpdate |
| 19:28.24 | Bird|ghosted | ...and it still isn't going anywhere lol |
| 19:28.30 | Bird|ghosted | wait, there. |
| 19:28.34 | Bird|ghosted | now it's back in shape! |
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| 19:29.21 | _hramrach | jeward: unfortunately, you will have to download and extract some archive or is, the configs for booting debian live are not in plain on debian-cd |
| 19:29.57 | _hramrach | look at your nearby debian-cd mirror and download a live iso |
| 19:30.12 | jeward | _hrmach: downloading. |
| 19:30.18 | Bird|ghosted | last but not least, how do I get the dpkg machinery to stop spewing out this message? http://www.pastie.org/1933195 |
| 19:30.47 | Bird|ghosted | (it's an old custom kernel package I created while debugging WLAN drivers. I've already uninstalled the package, but the issue persists) |
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| 19:32.33 | jhutchins_lt | Bird|ghosted: I suppose you could just manually delete that line. |
| 19:32.50 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: Have you looked into ltsp? |
| 19:32.55 | jeward | _hramach: Is this what I need: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/net/ |
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| 19:34.44 | jeward | _hrmach: I'm downloading the live resuce tar.gz. |
| 19:35.12 | Aenigma | Hi, I have a laptop with a broken graphics card which I wish to install debian on. Is there any sort of way to automatically make the debian installer start an SSH server with little to no user interaction? Or do I just have to write down its options and blindly start the SSH server from the installer? |
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| 19:35.39 | Bird|ghosted | jhutchins_lt, done |
| 19:35.41 | _hramrach | jeward: it's not really relevant which of net/iso/whatever you get |
| 19:35.46 | jeward | jhutchins_lt: For what purpose? |
| 19:36.39 | _hramrach | jeward: you need the kernel and initrd and the filesystem image |
| 19:36.51 | jeward | _hramach: Maybe I can get some help from the guy who set up our PXE server once the download is complete. |
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| 19:37.31 | CyberGabber | Aenigma: What about temporary connect a external monitor to the laptop? |
| 19:37.50 | thewanderer1 | CyberGabber: they said 'broken graphics card' dude :P |
| 19:38.01 | Aenigma | CyberGabber: it's the graphics card, not the lcd. |
| 19:38.29 | CyberGabber | oeps... |
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| 19:38.46 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: LTSP is for PXE diskless workstations and/or thin clients. |
| 19:38.55 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: It's pretty well set up for you. |
| 19:38.58 | thewanderer1 | Aenigma: it is possible to start SSH... how, I don't know - what I would do would be boot a system via PXE and debootstrap it |
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| 19:39.20 | thewanderer1 | Aenigma: look in the installation manual or ask Uncle Google |
| 19:39.26 | jeward | jhutchins_lt: I'm trying to rescue a downed server. |
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| 19:40.08 | jeward | _hramach: Looks like the kernel and initrd are in the tarball. |
| 19:40.14 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: So trying to PXE boot a rescue mode? |
| 19:40.18 | jeward | I'll try and find my PXE guy now. |
| 19:40.41 | jeward | jhutchins_lt: I did that already, but it doesn't have drivers for the disk drives. |
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| 19:40.50 | jhutchins_lt | Aenigma: I think there's something about ssb or serial console install in the install guide - have you looked through it? |
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| 19:41.14 | _hramrach | jeward: you will need the lines from live.cfg |
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| 19:42.07 | _hramrach | jeward: you will replace everything from the netboot= onward with fetch=<url where filesystem.squashfs is placed> |
| 19:42.29 | _hramrach | alternatively, you can use the iso image in place of hte filesystem.squashfs |
| 19:42.34 | joe6 | i get these errors when I run fsck -n from the root filesystem, when I use a debian-live cd to fix those errors, the fsck does not see any errors: http://sprunge.us/IRIZ |
| 19:42.37 | Aenigma | thewanderer1: debootstrap it? I've never played with a terminal server and thus I'm not familar with the capabilities. You mean create an OS image with SSH in the init scripts as to make the system boot with sshd and then ssh into it from another machine? |
| 19:43.00 | joe6 | i checked the fsck version between the version on the system and the live-cd version and they both are dated 17-may-2010 |
| 19:43.00 | Aenigma | jhutchins_lt: unfortunately, the machine does not have a serial cable. |
| 19:43.08 | thewanderer1 | Aenigma: that's what I usually do, I'm too lazy to read installation manuals :P |
| 19:43.26 | joe6 | and the util-linux-ng is 2.17.2 for both and the fsck version is 1.41.12 |
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| 19:47.11 | _hramrach | hmm, looks like the fetch option still works |
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| 19:47.42 | Bushmills | jeward: dnsmasq comes in handy for boot server, as it bundles dhcp server, tftp server and name server |
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| 19:48.00 | _hramrach | requires enough memory to store the image and then some but should not be a problem on a server |
| 19:48.36 | Bushmills | quite suited to make a boot server from a wlan routers :) |
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| 19:50.04 | _hramrach | Aenigma: I suggest you take out the hardrive, install Debian on it, and then put it back |
| 19:50.46 | _hramrach | you can use serial console if the laptop has a serial port, no need to do anything blindly in that case |
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| 19:52.00 | _hramrach | you can also look into automated installs, preseeding and such bu I have never done any of that |
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| 19:53.16 | _hramrach | for one-time use taking out the drive would be most effective i guess |
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| 19:54.06 | doomster | night all! |
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| 19:55.02 | Aenigma | _hramrach: for automated installs, you essentially write a script which you link to by typing in the link, correct? |
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| 19:55.53 | Aenigma | _hramrach: the laptop does not have a serial port. I was reading up on modifying the boot image but it seems painful. |
| 19:55.58 | thewanderer1 | Aenigma: http://www.sgvulcan.com/installing-debian-using-only-ssh/ this might help |
| 19:56.36 | _hramrach | Aenigma: I don't know how you do the automated installs, never done them |
| 19:57.18 | thewanderer1 | Aenigma: this admittedly refers to an ISO, but preseeding over PXE shouldn't be much different |
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| 19:58.55 | major | hi, my computer cpu has gone to 100% Xorg usage. Can anybody help me figuring out what is going on with this strace trace? http://pastebin.com/6tHdgrDu |
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| 19:59.59 | hedele | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.41 | Aenigma | thewanderer1: I think I'd rather just modify the ISO as so. As such, that seems good enough. |
| 20:00.58 | thewanderer1 | Aenigma: sure, if you can boot from a CD, go for it |
| 20:00.58 | DammitJim | if I have an Intel T2400 (dual core) processor and 2GB of RAM, would this be considered a system that can run Debian 64 bit? |
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| 20:01.02 | hedele | any idea about how can I get it work? |
| 20:01.37 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: intel.com says NO |
| 20:02.04 | major | hedele, ive got that problem as well, I hope you figure it out... I think its because we use nvidia official drivers that mess with screen names |
| 20:02.43 | DammitJim | oh wow, so that means I can't run a 64bit guest vm |
| 20:02.50 | hedele | major: its an old ati card and I'm using open source xf86-video-ati drivers |
| 20:03.27 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: yeah well, time for an upgrade from the 32-bit world :P |
| 20:03.50 | Bushmills | hedele: have you tried running xorg without generated config file, and using xrandr to set up xinerama? |
| 20:04.04 | DammitJim | thewanderer1, that means I have to shell out money which I have, but can't justify |
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| 20:04.17 | thewanderer1 | can xrandr setup Xinerama? I thought they were 2 separate things |
| 20:04.23 | major | hedele, ops... no idea then ^^ but I notice when I run xrandr with nv driver it show both screen names properloy, but when I use propietary driver i get the same error than you, so i can play with xrandr |
| 20:04.24 | rhenani | Id install debian |
| 20:04.30 | rhenani | (6.0.1) squeze |
| 20:04.39 | rhenani | without graphical interfaces |
| 20:04.40 | major | cant* |
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| 20:04.49 | _hramrach | 32bit is dead, even ARM is getting 64bit ^_^ |
| 20:04.53 | rhenani | How can i then install it? |
| 20:05.01 | rhenani | the graphical interfaces |
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| 20:05.25 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: yeah well, only good for virtualisation and maths |
| 20:05.39 | MrFrood | is still waiting for 36bit Debian |
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| 20:05.53 | hedele | Bushmills: I was about to say the same thing as thewanderer1 :/ |
| 20:06.05 | Bushmills | i suppose you can't use xrandr when using multiple cards, rather than one card with multiple video outs |
| 20:06.53 | somiaj | rhenani: you can rerun 'tasksel' if you want to select a whole graphical task, though I'd suggest using apt-get or aptitude and install gnome, kde or just xorg + the wm of your choice. |
| 20:07.10 | hedele | Bushmills: I'm already using my second display with xrandr but I wanted to try out Xinerama |
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| 20:07.49 | somiaj | hedele: grab a default xorg.conf from somewhere and just modify it, or generate one with the same number of detected screens and then modify it by hand. |
| 20:07.49 | rhenani | somiaj: Ok |
| 20:08.27 | hedele | somiaj: how can I generate one? |
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| 20:10.35 | mcl0vin | howdy folks |
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| 20:10.49 | ZitZ | hi, i'm trying to make it so that I'm authorized to unmount my flash drives in nautilus, i'm told i should use console kit, and i have console kit running although i don't specify it in my xinitrc, but i still don't know what i'm supposed to do to make console kit unmount flash drives |
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| 20:10.58 | somiaj | hedele: well can you tell X -configure the right number of screens its detecting? If not just try to find a template/default one and work with that. Or write your own. |
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| 20:12.25 | hedele | somiaj: I can't find the argument for that. X -configure just prints out bunch of stuff ending with the error I mentioned without showing a menu and exits |
| 20:12.38 | hedele | somiaj: I'll write one then thangs |
| 20:12.41 | hedele | thanks * |
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| 20:13.14 | mcl0vin | i am trying to recover some my micro SD card that used to be inside my android phone . one day it stop working and the phone stop seeing it. so i plug it in my box and i did 'ddrescue -i 0 -s50M /dev/sdb sdimage logfile' although it said 0B rescued , i tired to mount the sdimage file 'mount -o loop image /mnt/sd ' i get you must specify the file system. |
| 20:13.23 | mcl0vin | any idea or help is highly appreciated |
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| 20:13.57 | thewanderer1 | mcl0vin: if you got 0 bytes, you're not going to be able to mount that |
| 20:14.04 | Bushmills | mcl0vin: see what disktype says about the card |
| 20:14.39 | mcl0vin | !disktype |
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| 20:15.37 | mcl0vin | Bushmills: how would i do that please |
| 20:15.52 | Bushmills | the bot wouldn't know about your card. you'd run the command locally, on your machine |
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| 20:18.54 | r4co0n | mcl0vin: To use disktype u have to have installed it beforehands, btw |
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| 20:19.42 | mcl0vin | Bushmills: 'Block device, size 2 TiB (2199023255552 bytes) disktype: Data read failed at position 0: input/output error |
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| 20:20.24 | wols | mcl0vin: this is an ex-SD card, it has met it's maker |
| 20:20.29 | Bushmills | sounds bad. can't read partition table |
| 20:20.46 | mcl0vin | am screwed i guess |
| 20:20.59 | wols | not you are, your SD card is |
| 20:21.10 | mcl0vin | wols: it doest show the maker |
| 20:21.28 | Bushmills | on the pure chance that other sectors are readable, maybe gpart can find your partitions |
| 20:21.28 | mcl0vin | wols: well there goes the only pic of me and my mom together , the only memory |
| 20:21.42 | wols | *sigh* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Parrot_sketch |
| 20:22.03 | wols | Bushmills: if that were the case, ddrescue would have done i |
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| 20:22.04 | wols | it |
| 20:22.15 | Bushmills | hm. true |
| 20:23.30 | Bushmills | 2 TiB is also a bit big for an SD card |
| 20:23.48 | mcl0vin | Bushmills: its not , its only 16GB |
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| 20:24.15 | r4co0n | I would recommend to keep a copy of the corrupted drive, dd it somewhere, maybe alien tech can recover it some day. Or you just try another tool another day. I would recommend doing the recovery tests on a copy of the sd-drive. |
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| 20:24.48 | mcl0vin | r4co0n: syntax plz |
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| 20:25.12 | wols | r4co0n: what copy. he already tried to make a copy with ddrescue. "0B rescued" |
| 20:25.16 | chiisana | Derp, help.... |
| 20:25.26 | chiisana | I am an idiot and accidentally deleted my /bin |
| 20:25.29 | wols | r4co0n: especially when dd will always stop at the first error |
| 20:25.30 | robokop | dd -if /dev/sd?? -of dump.img |
| 20:25.31 | chiisana | How can I restore it? |
| 20:25.53 | chiisana | This is a remote servr so I don't have DVD to put in |
| 20:25.54 | wols | chiisana: there are these things called "backups" |
| 20:26.16 | chiisana | Yeah, incidentally that's what I was setting up :/ |
| 20:26.34 | wols | !reinstall |
| 20:26.34 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 20:26.38 | chiisana | Found out I accidentally created a /bin in my user home directory when I didn't tneed it so I rm'd it |
| 20:26.43 | wols | tho you will need a dpkg for that obviously... |
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| 20:27.35 | Bushmills | why should your user be allowed to rm /bin? |
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| 20:28.20 | Bushmills | sure /bin and contents are actually gone? |
| 20:28.26 | chiisana | Setting up new-ish server and was on root |
| 20:28.30 | eshat | How useable is gnome3 on sid ? |
| 20:28.33 | chiisana | Yes :/ |
| 20:28.49 | r4co0n | wols: I weren't reading when the problem was first described, sry for the confusion. I remembered dd copy being recommended when doing faulty hd recovery. |
| 20:28.53 | mcl0vin | robokop: 'dd -if /dev/sdb -of /name.img is not correct |
| 20:29.02 | eshat | the dpkg bot is not up-to-date about gnome3 |
| 20:30.09 | r4co0n | dd if=/dev/sdX of=~/output.img is correct |
| 20:30.18 | Bushmills | chiisana: ah. you intended to create bin in location A, noticed you created it in location B instead, and went on to remove it from location C |
| 20:30.53 | wols | r4co0n: then your remembering is shit. with a faulty hdd it's hdd it'S the same: dd with stop at the first mini error. there is a reason why ddrescue was written |
| 20:31.45 | r4co0n | wols, i excuse my memory being shit and want to tell u, this conversation style is too. |
| 20:31.50 | mcl0vin | r4co0n: in/out put error |
| 20:31.55 | Bushmills | r4co0n: avocados |
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| 20:33.24 | mcl0vin | gpart gives fatal error |
| 20:33.38 | chiisana | @Bushmills yes and unfortunately location c is root :/ |
| 20:34.09 | chiisana | Would it be "safe" ish to copy and paste bin from another server (same distro ver both uptodate) |
| 20:34.22 | chiisana | Part of me says try it other part says arch might be different |
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| 20:35.10 | wols | not safe |
| 20:35.27 | r4co0n | chiisana, how bothersome would it be to begin the setup again? |
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| 20:35.49 | chiisana | Proabaly around $100 or so, since it is not physically accessible by me |
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| 20:36.35 | wols | chiisana: you can transfer files to the box? |
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| 20:36.49 | r4co0n | chiisana, i can click somewhere on my provider's backend to reinstall the server to how it was when I got it. |
| 20:36.50 | chiisana | I am still on ssh and have whet |
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| 20:37.05 | chiisana | Wget* |
| 20:37.20 | chiisana | This is unmanaged and comes with no control panel, unfortunately |
| 20:39.05 | wols | then copy over a /bin from a working debian installation |
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| 20:39.18 | wols | why do we have to state the obvious? |
| 20:39.33 | chiisana | That's what I was asking earlier |
| 20:39.38 | chiisana | And was told not safe |
| 20:39.41 | r4co0n | wols, he wanted to do exactly this, u told him it was 'not safe' |
| 20:40.02 | wols | chiisana: copying it from an archlinux install is not safe for obvious reasons |
| 20:40.23 | r4co0n | i think he meant another server arch-itecture |
| 20:40.39 | chiisana | Next is to figure out how id mkdir w/o /bin/mkdir , heh.... |
| 20:40.47 | chiisana | Yes r4co0n got it :) |
| 20:40.57 | wols | that is obviously not safe either. you need the same arch, or /bin and /lib won't match and it's a waste of time |
| 20:41.08 | bw123 | how ya share a folder? |
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| 20:41.22 | wols | chiisana: which exactly did you rm: /bin or /usr/bin? |
| 20:41.34 | Bushmills | chiisana: i generated a list of packages which put stuff into /bin: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/binstuff - reinstalling the packages of those which you have installed should do |
| 20:41.43 | wols | bw123: depends on many things. most times samba or nfs are used |
| 20:41.45 | chiisana | The bad one, /bin |
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| 20:42.50 | GlockX | Hello fellow Debian users! |
| 20:43.03 | bw123 | wols: need to make a nfs mountpoint? |
| 20:43.07 | chiisana | @Bushmills I'll give that a try, thanks |
| 20:43.58 | r4co0n | wonders if the /bin transplantation will be successful. |
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| 20:44.56 | Bushmills | if reinstalling fails or is undesireable, downloading the packages, and copying the /bin stuff through some point-and-shoot, for example, midnight commander, could also work |
| 20:44.58 | bw123 | ping works between machines just need to share ~/folder so the other machine can see it |
| 20:45.07 | chiisana | Dpkg cannot reinstall (E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100) |
| 20:45.08 | dpkg | chiisana: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 20:45.27 | chiisana | Going to try to do the /bin transplant thing... |
| 20:46.22 | r4co0n | bw123: http://wiki.debian.org/Network#File_sharing |
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| 20:46.49 | chiisana | It worked! Still, going to try to reinstall coreutils via aptitude and stuff to be safe.,. |
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| 20:47.24 | r4co0n | mutters: "It's alive!" |
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| 20:48.20 | chiisana | Yep :) |
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| 20:48.21 | bw123 | r4co0n: aha nfsserver ty |
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| 20:49.05 | chiisana | Thanks all! |
| 20:49.10 | chiisana | I think it is back and running |
| 20:49.25 | chiisana | Time to make a backup for /bin /lib and others now |
| 20:49.58 | Bushmills | backups are for weenies who are too lazy to reinstall and rewrite everything from scratch |
| 20:50.06 | chiisana | Lol |
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| 20:51.21 | r4co0n | bw123: Maybe this is a bit more straightforward: http://www.debianadmin.com/network-file-system-nfs-server-and-client-configuration-in-debian.html |
| 20:52.32 | bw123 | r4co0n: yep setting up /etc/exports now thanks again |
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| 21:03.02 | octocpp | what is the command to see what the cdrom or dvd is labled as again ? |
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| 21:06.44 | dvs | octocpp: blkid ? |
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| 21:10.22 | octocpp | dvs: Im looking for a way to tell what my dvdrom is called, like /dev/DVD or something |
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| 21:10.54 | dvs | octocpp: /dev/disk/by-label ? |
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| 21:13.10 | ZitZ | what is the preferred "debian" way of automatically mounting flash drives as a regular user, with just udisks? |
| 21:13.33 | ZitZ | without a DE I mean |
| 21:13.53 | ZitZ | with say awesome window manager |
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| 21:14.09 | homie | afaik, hal handled some.... |
| 21:14.13 | phogg | auto mounting isn't desktop specific, is it? Use an automounter. |
| 21:14.29 | ZitZ | yeah hal is deprecated, phogg, name one? |
| 21:14.38 | homie | don't know usbutils, pmount, usbmount etc... helped too sometimes |
| 21:14.39 | Arrowmaster | !automount |
| 21:14.39 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman> or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 21:14.48 | babilen | ZitZ: I recommend usbmount or pmount |
| 21:15.08 | woshty | is there a way to tell apt/itude in sources.list to preferably use a local private mirror but also have the usual regional mirror in case updates fail and packages on the regional mirror are newer? |
| 21:15.10 | ZitZ | with those wouldn't I need to still use the cammandline? |
| 21:15.27 | ZitZ | dpkg needs to be updated because halevt and ivman are ancient, hal is deprecated |
| 21:15.27 | dpkg | ZitZ: that's too long |
| 21:15.31 | Arrowmaster | woshty: put the local one before the regional one |
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| 21:15.53 | babilen | ZitZ: usbmount is what you are after in that case |
| 21:16.04 | woshty | Arrowmaster: isnt apt/itude just going to use both in parallel then? |
| 21:16.12 | homie | well, that's the problem, when you have two sticks plugged in |
| 21:16.24 | Arrowmaster | i dont know, it might i guess |
| 21:16.49 | homie | sometimes one gets mounted /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, /dev/sdd, depending on how many hd's you already have |
| 21:16.49 | ZitZ | well, sometimes I may plug in multiple devices |
| 21:16.58 | homie | and the order changes.... |
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| 21:17.22 | woshty | i really only what to use external repository if it contains newer packages .. otherwise safe bandwidth |
| 21:17.26 | ZitZ | exactly, so you need something that mounts based on the name of the device or uid or something |
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| 21:17.59 | babilen | ZitZ: What is wrong with usbmount? |
| 21:18.22 | ZitZ | babilen, i don't know, i'm in the process of trying it |
| 21:18.28 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: automount =~ s/<halevt>, <ivman> or <usb mount>/<usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>/ |
| 21:18.28 | dpkg | OK, Arrowmaster |
| 21:18.34 | ZitZ | i thought udev was supposed to do all of this stuff |
| 21:19.04 | homie | yes but not with devname, only busname |
| 21:19.21 | homie | or a combination of both ? |
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| 21:19.57 | ZitZ | well when i use just udev rules, i can mount fine, but i'm not authorized to unmount, now i'm going to try deleting that udev rule and just use usbmount |
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| 21:20.50 | Arrowmaster | if you are using custom udev rules you are probably missing a mount option to let you unmount |
| 21:21.17 | homie | ZitZ: you can use /etc/init.d/mountkernfs |
| 21:21.45 | ZitZ | Arrowmaster: it usually says it isn't in fstab, which makes sense if i'm using udev, i guess there is an option which puts it in fstab or something, and gives me permission |
| 21:21.50 | homie | ZitZ: and change the -odevmode etc....for the usb bus |
| 21:22.26 | Arrowmaster | ZitZ: oh thats a different issue |
| 21:22.34 | homie | ZitZ: and /etc/init.d/mountkernfs is not usually enabled....in the init levels i mean |
| 21:22.44 | ZitZ | uggh, just tried usbmount and i got the same error i got with the custom udev rule, "device not in fstab and your are not root" |
| 21:23.39 | homie | it's bus permissions i said |
| 21:23.51 | Arrowmaster | what command are you typing exactly? |
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| 21:24.00 | ZitZ | using just a WM without a Login Manager is tough |
| 21:24.50 | ZitZ | how do i change bus permissions, i haven't come across that at all in my research? |
| 21:25.37 | ZitZ | no commands, the point is i want it automatic |
| 21:26.20 | ZitZ | and unmounting to be possible from nautilus gui |
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| 21:26.37 | Arrowmaster | i think you need to use the uhelper option but i dont know how it works |
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| 21:27.15 | homie | ZitZ: well i used the mountkernfs thingy......for that.... |
| 21:27.17 | karlpinc | ZitZ: I thought it was just supposed to work if you're in the plugdev group and running gnome. |
| 21:27.36 | _ARMA_ | i've installed debian without swap area. how can i add swap after installation on debian? |
| 21:27.46 | ZitZ | yeah, the point is not everyone wants to run gnome, and i am in the plugdev group |
| 21:28.00 | karlpinc | _ARMA_: Do you have any unpartioned space on your drives or did you use lvm? |
| 21:28.05 | homie | _ARMA_: mkswap /dev/blah, swapon /dev/blah |
| 21:28.11 | Ecco | Hi there |
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| 21:28.28 | Ecco | Quick question : is it possible to install debian from a booted Linux system ? |
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| 21:28.34 | homie | _ARMA_: and put an fstab line for it too |
| 21:28.42 | Ecco | (on an hard drive that isn't mounted) |
| 21:28.47 | _ARMA_ | is there a tutorial with it? |
| 21:28.51 | homie | _ARMA_: so that it gets mounted on next reboot |
| 21:28.56 | _ARMA_ | i'm not familiar with linux commands. |
| 21:29.06 | karlpinc | !tell Ecco about debootstrap |
| 21:29.09 | homie | _ARMA_: well, ldp |
| 21:29.16 | somiaj | _ARMA_: you'll need a partition space -- do you ahve any blank space left big enough for a swap partition -- if not you'll have to resize the debian partition first. |
| 21:29.34 | _ARMA_ | karlpinc: i don't have unpartioned space.. i have windows and linux together on the pc. |
| 21:29.44 | karlpinc | _ARMA_: You either make a new partition and use that for swap or you make a large file and use that. The former is preferred. |
| 21:29.46 | wols | _ARMA_: you can create a swap file if you want |
| 21:29.50 | homie | _ARMA_: linux documentation project, have some sources on it i'm sure |
| 21:29.58 | homie | s/sources/docs/ |
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| 21:30.13 | somiaj | _ARMA_: I did tell you yesterday you would need some of that space for your swap partition....if you don't want to make a seperate swap partition as wols said you can use just a swap file instead. |
| 21:30.24 | karlpinc | _ARMA_: Just read the man pages, unless you don't understand the concepts in which case you probably want wikipedia. |
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| 21:30.39 | dusf | can i download all the usb versions of debian live for usb, and if i do will i get a choice when i boot from usb? |
| 21:30.43 | dusf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
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| 21:30.57 | _ARMA_ | somiaj: which one is the secure one? i guess making a new large file for swap area is easier. |
| 21:31.17 | karlpinc | _ARMA_: You could shrink one of your partitions with, say, gparted or parted. (Isn't there something in rescue mode on the install cd?) and then use the space freed up to make a new partition for swap. |
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| 21:32.08 | _ARMA_ | ok then. a little to read.. |
| 21:32.13 | _ARMA_ | thanks. |
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| 21:32.24 | Ecco | Yeah |
| 21:32.32 | Ecco | Debootstrap is, well… weird |
| 21:32.43 | Ecco | how am I supposed to 'apt-get install debootstrap' from a non-debian system ??? |
| 21:33.31 | juso | what does hosts allow/dent actually block, i cant seem to find any docs on it, i guess my googling sucks |
| 21:33.34 | somiaj | Ecco: what non-debian system, I know some other distros ahve debootstrap...if not you can get the source code and compile it yourself for the system. |
| 21:33.35 | ZitZ | mountkernfs sounds like it is only mounting sys and proc, doesn't have anything to do with usb flash |
| 21:33.46 | juso | i know its ssh, but why ssh, is it wrapped around? |
| 21:33.50 | glitch-mod | how do I install the sid backports for squeeze? |
| 21:34.41 | Bushmills | Ecco: there is debootstrap in fedora |
| 21:34.52 | Arrowmaster | juso: hosts.allow and hosts.deny is for tcpwrappers |
| 21:34.55 | somiaj | juso: man hosts_access -- as per the comment in the /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny file |
| 21:35.03 | dondelelcaro | juso: see libwrap et al |
| 21:35.28 | Arrowmaster | ZitZ: yeah i dont know what the mountkernfs suggestion was about, made zero sense |
| 21:35.35 | juso | Arrowmaster, and ssh is a tcp connection, thats all thats needed? ot ssh need to be setup to go through tcpwrapper |
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| 21:36.03 | homie | ZitZ: ok i see they removed the /proc/bus/usbfs thing there, it was enabled in lenny |
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| 21:36.17 | homie | or something like that |
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| 21:36.34 | Arrowmaster | juso: you dont have to do anything but edit the hosts.allow and hosts.deny files |
| 21:36.47 | ZitZ | i'm trying to find more info on setting bus permissions for usb, but i don't think that is the problem here |
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| 21:37.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah i dont think it is |
| 21:37.05 | glitch-mod | Following this, http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ How do I specify backports from sid? |
| 21:37.07 | ZitZ | i think it's a gnome-policy-kit problem or something |
| 21:37.07 | no-name- | does anybody know how to change the screen resolution for the debian virtual terminal? |
| 21:37.17 | no-name- | I've tried a bunch of stuff on google but to no avail |
| 21:37.20 | juso | Arrowmaster, yes I know, im curious why it would do ssh and not http or something else that is tcp, is my overall Q: |
| 21:37.21 | ZitZ | and then there is console-kit i don't know what that does either |
| 21:37.24 | Arrowmaster | glitch-mod: backports-sloppy |
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| 21:38.12 | ZitZ | i'm not running gnome yet everything is dependent on policy kit, i've found some information aobut changing a policy kit rule but i can't find that file on my system |
| 21:38.15 | Arrowmaster | ZitZ: i think the problem with not being able to unmount as a user can be fixed by using a uhelper= option when you mount but im not sure how that works |
| 21:38.18 | glitch-mod | Arrowmaster, where do I append that? |
| 21:39.11 | homie | ZitZ: /etc/polkit-1/ |
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| 21:39.12 | ZitZ | from a quick google it looks like uhelper may be dependent on hal |
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| 21:43.05 | ZitZ | i'm not finding anything too interesting in /etc/polkit-1 |
| 21:44.54 | homie | pam-usb-utils ? |
| 21:44.56 | homie | or so |
| 21:45.10 | homie | wait, polkit uses pam too |
| 21:45.42 | ZitZ | well, i'm not totally against policy kit, it's just that id doesn't seem to work |
| 21:46.13 | ZitZ | uhelper looks like it could apply, but somehow it would have to be in the udev rule or something and i'm not finding anything along those lines |
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| 21:47.05 | homie | do you have libpam-usb package ? |
| 21:47.12 | homie | or pamusb-tools ? |
| 21:47.30 | ZitZ | let me check i searched pam-usb-utils an diddn't have it |
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| 21:47.51 | homie | module for auth with removable usb devices |
| 21:47.57 | ZitZ | i searched synaptic for "usb pam" and i'm not getting it |
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| 21:50.55 | ZitZ | there is libpam-mount i can't find anything to do with pam and usb |
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| 21:53.15 | ZitZ | wow, is it normal for a mount usb flash drive to belong to root:floppy ?? |
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| 21:54.16 | ZitZ | i'm in the floppy group too so it shouldn't matter |
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| 21:57.19 | dusf | can i download all the usb versions of debian live for usb, and if i do will i get a choice when i boot from usb? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 21:57.29 | dusf | s/can/should |
| 21:57.41 | Arrowmaster | no you can only use one at a time |
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| 21:59.40 | Bushmills | dusf: yes. you can. and you get the choice by picking the one or the other usb flash stick |
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| 22:01.05 | ZitZ | if i use this command, udisks --poll-for-media /dev/sr0, mounting and unmounting works perfectly in pcmanfm |
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| 22:01.32 | ZitZ | still no luck in nautilus though |
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| 22:02.48 | dusf | Bushmills: that's funny :) |
| 22:03.04 | ZitZ | i think it's a nautilus/gnome problem with permissions, but somehow it effects thunar too |
| 22:03.07 | _ARMA_ | empathy has no msn thing? bah. |
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| 22:05.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hi, I'm having some issues with the notation editor in rosegarden on squeeze, it is reacting very slow. |
| 22:05.21 | ZitZ | it's ashame, udisks seem well written, too bad it's incredibly undocumented |
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| 22:07.49 | zitter | is there a debian version for routers such as d-links? |
| 22:08.06 | wols | no |
| 22:08.21 | Bushmills | zitter: you'd rather look at something like openwrt for that |
| 22:08.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | is anyone in here using rosegarden on squeeze? |
| 22:08.38 | ZitZ | yeah, you should check their supported devices list and then select a router |
| 22:08.52 | zitter | ok, i'm looking that. |
| 22:09.07 | daemonkeeper | Emdebian could help for such things in future, but for things like dlink routers that's still too much. |
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| 22:11.12 | zitter | embedian looks nice, but there isn't a list of supported device in wiki page |
| 22:12.06 | daemonkeeper | embedian is still to heavy for consumer home routers |
| 22:12.20 | daemonkeeper | You really need a DD/Open WRT branch there |
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| 22:13.23 | zitter | yes, but I haven't hardware yet. I've seen a 20 bulk d-link today. if I have a list of embedian supported hardware I can, maybe, looks for a hardware where install that |
| 22:13.42 | Bushmills | zitter: looking at low cost? |
| 22:13.42 | babilen | zitter: dd-wrt and openwrt are what you are looking for (no idea about d-link though) |
| 22:14.02 | zitter | Bushmills, preferred :) |
| 22:14.05 | Arrowmaster | you will never get embedian only a consumer device |
| 22:14.09 | Arrowmaster | on |
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| 22:14.29 | Arrowmaster | i think it needs 32GB to install |
| 22:14.31 | Bushmills | tp-link wr1043nd is excellent price/features ratio, and fully compatible with openwrt |
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| 22:16.17 | zitter | Arrowmaster, anyway, 32gb or not 32gb, it's a fact that there isn't a list of supported hw on embedian website, or am I missing something? |
| 22:16.40 | Bushmills | or, for more than twice the price, the similar netgear wndr3700. cpu clocked higher, more RAM. |
| 22:16.49 | babilen | emdebian needs 32gb? |
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| 22:17.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah you are missing something, its not ment for consumer devices afaik so there is no need for a list of supported hardware |
| 22:17.25 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: 32MB? |
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| 22:17.34 | babilen | jelly-home: exactly |
| 22:19.28 | Arrowmaster | even 32MB is too large for any consumer devices |
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| 22:20.10 | _ARMA_ | which one should I install on Debian to use msn; jabber? pidgin? |
| 22:20.21 | jhutchins_lt | How would supported hardware come to be listed? |
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| 22:20.39 | _ARMA_ | with epiphany i can't connect to msn.. |
| 22:20.50 | Bushmills | pidgin has an msn plugin. jabber is own protocol, not msn compatible. but supported by pidgin too |
| 22:21.12 | _ARMA_ | so, I install pidgin.. ? |
| 22:21.19 | jhutchins_lt | _ARMA_: pidgin works ok. |
| 22:21.51 | Bushmills | actually, msn is not a pidgin plugin. but supported through libpurple |
| 22:21.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | the skype bridge is a bugged though |
| 22:22.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | *a bit |
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| 22:22.55 | krisfremen | recommends bitlbee |
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| 22:23.08 | krisfremen | skype works good there |
| 22:24.00 | no-name- | how do I get the old font back for debian 6.0 virtual terminal? |
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| 22:24.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | krisfremen: skype crashes for me every now and then, especially after gnome screen locks |
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| 22:26.13 | jhutchins_lt | no-name-: There are half a dozen different terminal programs avaiable, some of which take settings from the DE. |
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| 22:26.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | So |
| 22:27.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | Does anyone have some ideas about what could cause the notation editor in rosegarden to be extremly slow? |
| 22:27.05 | no-name- | I'm talking about the virtual terminal, not terminal emulators. |
| 22:27.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | Still on debian squeeze :) |
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| 22:29.29 | jhutchins_lt | no-name-: Ah, sometimes known as the console. |
| 22:30.11 | ZitZ | nautilus works if i dbus-launch nautilus |
| 22:30.38 | jhutchins_lt | no-name-: Well, you can disable kms on some systems, but I don't know what manages the framebuffer settings. |
| 22:32.12 | wols | jhutchins_lt: fbset? |
| 22:32.27 | wols | also, there are kernel parameters for it |
| 22:33.20 | babilen | no-name-: look into console-setup |
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| 22:34.59 | Bushmills | KaffeeJunky123: lack of CPU power |
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| 22:35.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | Bushmills: on an amd64 x2 5200+ ? |
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| 22:35.54 | Bushmills | "Does anyone have some ideas about what could cause the notation editor in rosegarden to be extremly slow?" - that's a valid answer |
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| 22:36.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | Bushmills: ofc |
| 22:37.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | Bushmills: I'm just asking if you'd think my cpu couldn't bear it |
| 22:37.43 | Bushmills | definitely on an 80486DX |
| 22:38.44 | Bushmills | make that an SX25 |
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| 22:39.04 | ZitZ | well, it looks like i've come up with some sort of solution for the usb mounting issues, using the udisks --poll-for-media /dev/sr0 (which for some reason i haven't had to re enter, and using dbus-launch nautilus, usb mounting works well, except it doesn't exactly automount in nautilus, you have to click on the device first, which is acceptable |
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| 22:50.49 | nader | hi where can I download Debian Reference in single html file? |
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| 22:51.33 | ZitZ | there's a debian reference? |
| 22:51.55 | nader | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
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| 22:52.40 | wols | nader: install debian-reference |
| 22:52.52 | wols | not a single file but it's all local |
| 22:53.26 | nader | wols, tnx |
| 22:53.31 | nader | sorry for that |
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| 23:12.56 | kzetts | Hi, I'm having issues getting sound to work in Alsa, could some one assist? |
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| 23:13.17 | atan | Anyone have any thoughts on bwm-ng vs mrtg? |
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| 23:17.20 | PhoenixSTF | hello ppl, i got a bit off a issue here, i set up a hardware raid1, but debian detects boath HDD |
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| 23:18.32 | PhoenixSTF | is this normal? |
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| 23:18.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | PhoenixSTF: bios raid? |
| 23:19.03 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, yes |
| 23:19.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | that's normal |
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| 23:19.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | because it isn't a real hardware raid |
| 23:19.30 | luminoso_ | what do you think what is better for backups? 7zip or zip? |
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| 23:20.06 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, what you mean it isnt real HW raid? |
| 23:20.19 | Arrowmaster | PhoenixSTF: its a fakeraid |
| 23:20.28 | Arrowmaster | there is no raid hardware |
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| 23:20.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | A real hardwareraid looks like one physical drive to linux |
| 23:20.46 | adb | !backups |
| 23:20.46 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups. However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data. See <things to backup>, <qotd126>, <flw40>. |
| 23:20.56 | Arrowmaster | they just provide you with a driver for windows that does the raid functions |
| 23:21.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | if you really want to use that in linux, there's dmraid |
| 23:21.16 | jelly-home | !qotd126 |
| 23:21.16 | dpkg | <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
| 23:21.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | but using linux software raids is considered to be better |
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| 23:21.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah dmraid isnt very good |
| 23:21.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | ofc unless you're in a dual boot enviornment with windows |
| 23:22.19 | lapsusbrutus | !ipw2200-bss |
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| 23:22.55 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, i was hopping a HW raid so i wouldnt put the software one ussing the CPU |
| 23:23.34 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, damm.... so i am better off with mdadm? |
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| 23:23.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | probably |
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| 23:24.03 | PhoenixSTF | Arrowmaster, thanks m8, hate windows..... |
| 23:24.27 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, so i got 4* 500gb HDD |
| 23:24.30 | Arrowmaster | PhoenixSTF: if you want a hardware raid you need to purchase a hardware card, nothing integrated on a motherboard is ever going to be a true hardware raid |
| 23:24.57 | PhoenixSTF | Arrowmaster, advice any good (cheap) card? |
| 23:25.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | Arrowmaster: I'm pretty sure that there are server boards with real raid controllers |
| 23:25.09 | Arrowmaster | no good cards are cheap |
| 23:25.34 | PhoenixSTF | what about LEAF controlers, or Silicon image? |
| 23:25.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | I think you can get one for as much as $70 |
| 23:25.42 | Arrowmaster | KaffeeJunky123: yeah server boards, not stuff usable by normal people |
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| 23:27.23 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, i can get a board with this chip Silicon Image Sil3114 |
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| 23:28.16 | Arrowmaster | thats another fakeraid i think |
| 23:28.34 | PhoenixSTF | -.- |
| 23:28.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | I don't know for sure, but it probably is |
| 23:28.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've a silicon image controller here too |
| 23:28.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's a fakeraid |
| 23:28.56 | Abddu | Just installed my first Debian ever, on my home machine. Works. :D No sound right now... we'll deal with that. Thank you to all who helped me to figure Debian out on this channel before. :) |
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| 23:29.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | same goes for my nvida raid controller |
| 23:29.13 | Arrowmaster | considering a google search for 'Sil3114 dmraid' turned up good results, im almost positive its a fakeraid |
| 23:29.38 | Arrowmaster | PhoenixSTF: basic rule is if you paid less than $200 for it then it is a fakeraid |
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| 23:29.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | Arrowmaster: that's a stupid rule ^^ |
| 23:30.01 | PhoenixSTF | Arrowmaster, oh boy..... lol |
| 23:30.02 | Arrowmaster | its accurate |
| 23:30.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | well |
| 23:30.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | what if someone's selling a fakeraid at that price? |
| 23:30.20 | Arrowmaster | my 8 port sata card was $500 |
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| 23:30.35 | jelly-home | KaffeeJunky123: do you have a hw raid card with battery backup for less than $200? |
| 23:30.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah im not saying everything over that price is not a fakeraid, but under that price is going to be a fakeraid |
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| 23:31.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly-home: nope, I'm just saying that judging if it's a true raid by the price is dangerous |
| 23:31.39 | joe6 | i moved my disks with debian on them to a new system. I want the system to re-probe my devices and update the module dependencies and stuff. Is there anything I can do? |
| 23:31.49 | joe6 | other than having to re-install debian |
| 23:31.51 | Abddu | My pulseaudio eats 98% of processor, omg. |
| 23:32.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | joe6: boot? |
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| 23:32.12 | PhoenixSTF | Arrowmaster, ok so if i dont want to spend 200$ on a raid controler |
| 23:32.16 | PhoenixSTF | mdadm? |
| 23:32.18 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:32.21 | Arrowmaster | just use mdadm |
| 23:32.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abddu: welcome to the wonderful world of linux audio |
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| 23:32.33 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, LOL |
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| 23:32.49 | lapsusbrutus | interesting I just installed a clead debian6 on a fujitsu siemensLifebook C-series. and no mouse arrow :p hmm maybe a restart will do |
| 23:32.54 | PhoenixSTF | dows it uses tom much CPU, mdadm? |
| 23:33.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | Arrowmaster: why am I always reading mdma instead of mdadm? |
| 23:33.10 | Abddu | I think every single linux I tried ever had sound issues, but one 32bit release of Ubuntu, who just played out of the box (one only though). |
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| 23:33.52 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, maybe cause it looks like DMA... ^^ |
| 23:33.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abddu: usually there's just some volume slider that you need to turn on |
| 23:33.58 | joe6 | KaffeeJunky123: I have booted it multiple times, but I am not sure if it is reading the modules belonging to the hardware. |
| 23:34.13 | resixian | joe6: is something broken? |
| 23:34.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abddu: but pulseaudio is a disease in my opinion |
| 23:34.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | joe6: does it work :D? |
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| 23:34.28 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, does mdadm uses to mutch cpu? |
| 23:34.30 | Arrowmaster | PhoenixSTF: mdadm cpu usage is minimal |
| 23:34.37 | joe6 | resixian: when I add in a pci or agp vga card, the kernel panics |
| 23:34.38 | ryan-c | uh |
| 23:34.52 | ryan-c | mdadm will use a fair chunk of cpu for raid5/6 |
| 23:34.53 | joe6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | PhoenixSTF: it doesn't use much , but I'm not using a raid setup, so I can't really tell you more then I read about |
| 23:34.56 | ryan-c | test it |
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| 23:34.59 | PhoenixSTF | Arrowmaster, its going to be on a sempron 3500+ with 8 HDD |
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| 23:35.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | joe6: what cards are you trying to add? |
| 23:35.30 | PhoenixSTF | my personal twisted idea of a NAS |
| 23:35.36 | ryan-c | generally though if you have spinning disks they'll be way slower than mdadm can go |
| 23:35.55 | joe6 | and this is my lspci -vv output: http://sprunge.us/UVTg |
| 23:35.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | joe6: and can you tell what module it was loading when the panic occured? |
| 23:36.09 | lapsusbrutus | Guys, anyone have an idea what I should try to get mouse arrow to show? Installed new system, arrow missing |
| 23:36.15 | joe6 | KaffeeJunky123: I cannot, the panic fills up the full screen and falls to the initramfs prompt |
| 23:36.24 | ryan-c | if you just need it to fill up a GigE pipe mdadm won't use an amount of CPU you need to care about |
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| 23:37.12 | joe6 | I am guessing it is the intel module (i915) as without the card, it is at that point that the display switches from console mode to graphical mode (resolution, etc.) |
| 23:37.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | lapsusbrutus: did you try to plug in a ps/2 mouse? |
| 23:37.36 | joe6 | KaffeeJunky123: I tried PCI geFX5200 and an AGP ATI rage pro 128 |
| 23:37.43 | resixian | joe6: maybe disable kms (if they are graphical cards you ar plugging in) |
| 23:37.46 | Arrowmaster | joe6: sounds like maybe a KMS related problem |
| 23:38.27 | joe6 | resixian: Arrowmaster: is this good enough to disable KMS? |
| 23:38.30 | joe6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.32 | resixian | joe6: maybe this: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Disabling_KMS |
| 23:38.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | joe6: there should be logs for your kernel panic |
| 23:39.20 | joe6 | KaffeeJunky123: unfortunately, nothing. It is not getting logged. That is the tricky part. |
| 23:39.29 | joe6 | I have no idea what scrolls on in the screen. |
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| 23:40.18 | PhoenixSTF | Arrowmaster, what do you advice with 4*500gb HDD, raid 10 or raid 5? its for personal data |
| 23:40.25 | joe6 | ok, let me try booting with the kernel mode off. |
| 23:40.30 | joe6 | see you in a little bit. |
| 23:40.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | PhoenixSTF: what are you trying to achive with your raid? |
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| 23:40.54 | Rienzilla | raid5 will give you more usable space |
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| 23:41.18 | Rienzilla | raid10 is a little faster, and a little better redundancy-wise |
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| 23:41.29 | Arrowmaster | well raid5 will give you more usable space but it will use more cpu power, raid10 will be more resilient to drive loss, sorta |
| 23:41.37 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, not to lose data over a fail in the HDD |
| 23:41.57 | Rienzilla | if performance is not an issue I would say raid6 |
| 23:41.59 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: also: raid6 or raid5 over 3 disks and one hot spare |
| 23:42.41 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, that a nice tough but 500gb hdd are bellow 40 euros |
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| 23:42.49 | Arrowmaster | mines a hardware raid but its a raid6 over 7 drives plus 1 hotspare |
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| 23:43.06 | lapsusbrutus | KaffeeJunky123: why would that work you think? mouse moves, but arrow is invisible |
| 23:43.19 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, you meant 4 harddrive raid 5 with one for paruty |
| 23:43.29 | lapsusbrutus | Im trying this now: http://hacksomethingtonight.blogspot.com/2011/04/invisible-mouse-pointer-in-debian_19.html |
| 23:43.36 | PhoenixSTF | aint raid 6 and 5 almost the same thing? |
| 23:43.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | lapsusbrutus: oh sorry, I was asuming that your cursor did not work at all |
| 23:43.44 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: no. I meant 3 drive raid 5 with one hot spare. |
| 23:43.49 | jelly-home | or raid6 |
| 23:43.59 | PhoenixSTF | what you mean by hot spare? |
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| 23:44.43 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: a disk spinning idle, waiting to immediately replace a failed raid member when it fails |
| 23:44.44 | lapsusbrutus | level6 is one extra disk for parity I think, so 2 disks can fail |
| 23:44.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | I don't know but it sounds like something tasty |
| 23:45.21 | PhoenixSTF | jelly-home, thats sick.. my like it ^^ |
| 23:45.23 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: if you don't know what a hot spare is, you'll want to learn more about raid |
| 23:45.53 | PhoenixSTF | i know tha basic of raid, i have set up some with mdadm |
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| 23:46.13 | PhoenixSTF | we are alwas learning :) |
| 23:46.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | don't set it up on mdam though |
| 23:46.46 | PhoenixSTF | why? |
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| 23:48.40 | Arrowmaster | im thinking for 4 drives, raid10 would be better than raid6 or raid5 with hotspare |
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| 23:49.20 | epsilon | PhoenixSTF: I'd use raid 5 |
| 23:49.22 | lapsusbrutus | on 4 disks I would have used raid5 |
| 23:49.33 | Arrowmaster | im not an expert on mdadm but with the 'far' layout, shouldnt it be possible to create a raid10 from 4 drives that will still work if any 2 drives fail |
| 23:49.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | PhoenixSTF: drugs and computer work don't go well together |
| 23:49.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | *mdma |
| 23:49.59 | epsilon | with raid 10 or 6 you only have half of the capacity (1TB), with 5 1,5TB |
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| 23:50.14 | epsilon | Arrowmaster: no |
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| 23:50.41 | PhoenixSTF | KaffeeJunky123, I'll remenber that ^^ |
| 23:50.42 | epsilon | if same "half" of raid0 fails, you loose everything |
| 23:51.04 | lapsusbrutus | raid5 is also fast as hello.. and you have backup ofcourse |
| 23:51.13 | Abddu | KaffeeJunky123: My youtube movies play like charmm with sound. :8 It's the music player that causes issues |
| 23:51.15 | lapsusbrutus | always backup :) |
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| 23:51.18 | Arrowmaster | epsilon: mdadm raid10 is different from normal raid10 |
| 23:51.27 | PhoenixSTF | Arrowmaster, raid 10 with mdadm yes it is very possible and you can see the sync and everything |
| 23:51.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abddu: rythmbox? |
| 23:52.34 | ARMA19X | Eclipse Helios user? |
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| 23:53.09 | PhoenixSTF | what about raid 4? |
| 23:53.20 | Abddu | KaffeeJunky123: Quod Libet |
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| 23:53.25 | epsilon | Arrowmaster: didn't know, which logic is using mdadm for 10? |
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| 23:53.48 | epsilon | PhoenixSTF: 4 is replaced by 5 |
| 23:54.20 | Arrowmaster | PhoenixSTF: raid4 is just raid5 but instead of spreading the parity across the drives its all on one, raid4 isnt used anymore if it even ever had any wide spread use |
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| 23:54.39 | Arrowmaster | epsilon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#Linux_MD_RAID_10 |
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| 23:55.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abddu: I don't know about that one, make sure it's using the right soundserver |
| 23:55.20 | Arrowmaster | epsilon: the 3rd ascii art box seems to show an example of a 4 disk raid10 where any 2 disks could fail, unlike a hardware raid10 |
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| 23:59.22 | epsilon | Arrowmaster: isn't that RAID1, just the data is sorted different on each disk? I see same data x4, one on each disk... makes in this case only capacity of 500GB |
| 23:59.47 | epsilon | and standard mdadm 10 looks like conventional raid 10 |
| 23:59.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was reading that wrong but i still think it should be possible |
