| 00:01.17 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: it is. We call that raid6 |
| 00:01.19 | PhoenixSTF | ok guys |
| 00:01.23 | PhoenixSTF | thanks a lot |
| 00:01.26 | PhoenixSTF | i am off to bed |
| 00:01.30 | PhoenixSTF | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.32 | PhoenixSTF | cya m8s |
| 00:01.34 | Arrowmaster | jelly-home: i mean without any XOR parity |
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| 00:05.44 | lapsusbrutus | Missing mouse arrow on Lifebook C series: This fix worked: http://hacksomethingtonight.blogspot.com/2011/04/invisible-mouse-pointer-in-debian_19.html Anyone keen on fixing this bug (again) for future users? |
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| 00:11.02 | karlpinc | !tell lapsusbrutus about reportbug |
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| 00:11.24 | karlpinc | lapsusbrutus: If you report it then the report will go to the people who fix such things. |
| 00:11.32 | lapsusbrutus | doing it now |
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| 00:22.32 | Abddu | KaffeeJunky123: It just fixed itself. Plays like charm (did some upgrades though meanwhile). Rebooting -n. |
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| 00:29.08 | lapsusbrutus | the day before doomsday and Im up till late at night working.. sigh |
| 00:29.27 | lapsusbrutus | shouls have been dringing beer now |
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| 00:38.21 | Abddu | KaffeeJunky123: My music player only starts making sounds after I kill pulseaudio. :8 |
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| 00:38.41 | koud | hello :) |
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| 00:39.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abddu: it doesn't like pulseaudio then |
| 00:40.08 | _linuxftw | How would I check if a machine has a built in microphone? |
| 00:40.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abddu: can you set what soundserver it is using? |
| 00:40.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abddu: maybe you can force it to use pulse |
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| 00:40.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | but in theory alsa should work too |
| 00:40.33 | Abddu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.08 | Abddu | KaffeeJunky123: not in GUI, so if it's configurable at all, probably in config files, which I never edited before. |
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| 00:41.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | did you have any other software running that is using the soundserver? |
| 00:41.58 | Abddu | Not any app I would know off, possibly KDE tried to make its noises though. |
| 00:42.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh kde |
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| 00:43.23 | Loshki | m0n0: find /usr/include -type f | xargs egrep GMutex |
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| 00:46.59 | osmodivs_ | Hello, it seems that Debian terminal commands are diferent from Ubuntu, in Ubuntu lshw outputs ther info from my system, What is the equivalent in Debian? |
| 00:47.53 | lapsusbrutus | osmodivs_: lshw is great. especially the html option :) |
| 00:48.07 | lapsusbrutus | would be nice to have in debhelper |
| 00:48.09 | lapsusbrutus | debian |
| 00:48.51 | osmodivs_ | Actually, I am using Studio64, but it seems that that command does not exist in S64, I know it is based on Debian |
| 00:49.14 | woshty | lshw is not in squeeze? |
| 00:49.48 | lapsusbrutus | ahh yeah it was :) in the repos |
| 00:50.31 | woshty | lapsusbrutus: thought so .. :) |
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| 00:52.20 | Abddu | No GVim in Squeeze. Ouch... Unbelievable. |
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| 00:58.28 | supaplex | Abddu: xterm ftw :) |
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| 01:01.06 | Abddu | supaplex: oh no, no life without a gvim open. A must have. :) |
| 01:01.22 | lapsusbrutus | try vim:) awesome |
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| 01:02.09 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: I do use it for minor tasks, it's not suitable for working long hours though. Will reinstall if I fail to install gvim. :D |
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| 01:02.31 | Abddu | Any idea why gvim isn't in the repos? |
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| 01:02.55 | lapsusbrutus | hehe ok, no no idea |
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| 01:03.32 | ira_gershwin | that's peculiar, on ubuntu now, it's in their repos |
| 01:03.37 | supaplex | dear toshiba. your CHIPSETS SUCK |
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| 01:03.45 | supaplex | stabs the audio lockup again |
| 01:04.03 | ira_gershwin | maybe it's part of a package just called vim? |
| 01:04.09 | Abddu | Just checked my freshly installed system. Looks great, and performance is much better than in Ubuntu I just replaced. Got only 12 issues to solve to get a perfect working state, GVim's in 3rd in priority queue. :) |
| 01:04.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | Abddu: did the unity desktop drive you away from ubuntu? |
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| 01:05.09 | Cibort | a |
| 01:05.26 | mooglenorph | Hi. I just tried to install Squeeze on my new thinkpad (lenovo x220), and this issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626220 prevents me from connecting to the internet. |
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| 01:05.39 | ira_gershwin | man people hate unity |
| 01:05.41 | mooglenorph | Nor can I use the wifi, as I need some proprietary firmware for it, apparently. |
| 01:05.46 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: You probably already did this: sudo perl -pi -e 's/main$/main contrib non-free/' /etc/apt/sources.list ;apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (hmm I dont see why this would be nessesary for gvim though.. but it still nice line for new desktop installs.. ;)) |
| 01:06.23 | mooglenorph | What should I do? The bug says that the fix might be backported for squeeze 6.0.2, in which case I can just use nonfree to get the firmware for my wifi after a normal netinstall |
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| 01:06.33 | ira_gershwin | anyone notice wine doesn't work out of the box in squeeze? |
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| 01:06.52 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: No, hadn't migrate to 11.04, was already decided to migrate away from Ubuntu. :) Wouldn't use Unity anyway, I like configurable environments and I dislike Gnome/XFce for their certain features that Unity seems to copy. |
| 01:06.57 | lapsusbrutus | ira_gershwin: No manual entry for people hate unity :p |
| 01:07.18 | ira_gershwin | hah |
| 01:08.08 | ira_gershwin | unity aside, in 11.04 they made all of the upper-right gnome panel applets into one indivisible super-applet |
| 01:08.11 | mooglenorph | Is there a way to get the firmware and install it manually...? |
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| 01:08.40 | ira_gershwin | @mogglenorph: what card is it? |
| 01:08.43 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: you would probably absolutely love "awesome" |
| 01:09.21 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: It was mainly instability of critical apps that drove me away. OpenOffice slower than a turtle, impossible to cope flash and such. :) |
| 01:09.38 | mooglenorph | ira_gershwin: intel centrino advanced-n + wimax 6250, rev 5e, listed as supported here http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 01:09.38 | Abddu | us duckduckgoing "awesome desktop" |
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| 01:09.46 | Abddu | *is |
| 01:09.49 | ira_gershwin | hm |
| 01:10.03 | mooglenorph | ira_gershwin: but you need nonfree, and my *ethernet* isn't supported by the kernel shippign with squeeze |
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| 01:10.11 | mooglenorph | ira_gershwin: I never thought to check for that :-( |
| 01:10.43 | ira_gershwin | i wouldn't have checked for that either, that is very peculiar |
| 01:10.55 | ira_gershwin | wireless has traditionally always been a setup pain |
| 01:11.03 | mooglenorph | ira_gershwin: is 6.0.2 coming out anytime soon? |
| 01:11.05 | Abddu | Awesome - the winner in Name Your Application So That Absolutely Noone Is Able To Find It Using Web Search category. |
| 01:11.19 | ira_gershwin | but i've never had problems with any ethernet drivers |
| 01:11.20 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: :P |
| 01:11.52 | mooglenorph | ira_gershwin: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626220 this bug lists my ethernet chipset as one of those lacking support in the shipping kernel that might be backported... yeah, I was really surprised, I just assumed ethernet would work fine. |
| 01:12.00 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: thought it package was called awesome.. maybe its awesomewm? |
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| 01:12.37 | babilen | Abddu: Just google for "awesomewm" which will get you the window manager |
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| 01:13.00 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: The package is "awesome" |
| 01:13.08 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: its a little cumbersome to set up, but once you have done it, the configfile is reusable for future systems, its very very cool when you get it configured right |
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| 01:13.50 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: Will try it for fun after I cope with fixing my fresh install. Looks bit too ascetic though for everyday use. :) |
| 01:14.02 | ira_gershwin | @mooglenorph: sorry, not sure what i would do for a problem like that, kind of new to debian myself |
| 01:14.40 | ira_gershwin | you could recompile the kernel if you're into that kind of thing |
| 01:14.54 | mooglenorph | jesus no :-(, that's why I use debian stable. |
| 01:14.58 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: If I like it I'll file a user request for the app to be renamed Eewsome. :D |
| 01:15.30 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: nonono its awesome(:p) really!, I use it on every computer I need to use for more than a few hours. gnome and kde is ascetic. tiling is the future im sure, soo much nice to work with |
| 01:15.41 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: :p |
| 01:15.46 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: A lot of people use it daily (me included), but you might like to look into a broader variety of desktop environments and window managers. I would suggest to take a look at: LXDE, XFCE, fluxbox, openbox, wmii and awesomewm to get a good overview. |
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| 01:17.26 | lapsusbrutus | babilen: have tried all of those. not all for much time though, but still in my opinion there is no other wm than awesome.. xmonad I think I could learn to love though? |
| 01:17.49 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: I said "if I LIKE it". :) I think every good app needs a name taht makes it stick out from the crowd and be easily searchable. Plus everyone would like to see what this "eewsome' package is they never heard about before, wouldn't they? |
| 01:18.14 | lapsusbrutus | great name :) |
| 01:19.07 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: They wouldn't like it in Japan though, duckduckgo told me EEW stands for Early Earthquake Warning. |
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| 01:19.32 | mooglenorph | alright, I |
| 01:19.33 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: One thing that is nice about awesomewm is that a lot of freedesktop standards are supported. I like to develop in haskell, but I still prefer awesome over xmonad. |
| 01:19.59 | mooglenorph | 'm going to get the microcode for my wifi card and stick it onto a flash drive, drop it into /lib/firmware, and hope that lets me bring it up. |
| 01:20.30 | lapsusbrutus | babilen: cool, I dont know much haskell.. so Id defenitely better stay with awesome then :) |
| 01:20.35 | babilen | mooglenorph: You can also just download the debian package and install it with "dpkg -i the.deb" (not following the thread though) |
| 01:20.51 | mooglenorph | babilen: I can't, because my ethernet chipset isn |
| 01:21.00 | mooglenorph | t supported by the kernel shipping with squeeze. |
| 01:21.01 | ira_gershwin | i tried xmonad and thought it was gimmicky |
| 01:21.11 | mooglenorph | babilen: oh! download the dpkg directly... sorry, dmb. |
| 01:21.14 | babilen | mooglenorph: Install a newer kernel from backports then? |
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| 01:21.44 | babilen | mooglenorph: yeah, that is what I meant. (same for the linux-image+linux-base package from backports if you need a newer kernel) |
| 01:21.50 | mooglenorph | babilen: that's a *much* better idea, thanks. wow. |
| 01:21.56 | babilen | heh |
| 01:23.04 | mooglenorph | babilen: I did not know that backports has a newer kernel than stable, I thought it was limited to more userland stuff... I will look into that. It seemed like in the bug they were talking about updating the kernel that ships with stable. |
| 01:23.30 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 01:23.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 01:23.43 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: Your line: perl -pi -e 's/main$/main contrib non-free/' /etc/apt/sources.list seems to have no effect at all. And I don't quite understand it too. :) |
| 01:23.50 | babilen | mooglenorph: ^^^ See the 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 one? |
| 01:24.13 | babilen | !tell mooglenorph -about bdo kernel |
| 01:24.13 | mooglenorph | babilen: oh, cool. how do I check if it has the drivers I need...? |
| 01:24.40 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: it adds "contrib non-free" to each line ending on main in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:25.16 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: gives you some extra packages that can be useful for desktop computers |
| 01:25.20 | babilen | mooglenorph: Read the source code? It typically lists all the supported chipsets :) -- A HCL search like the one from kmuto might be more "user friendly" though |
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| 01:26.38 | babilen | mooglenorph: Do you have the system running right now? If so, you could execute "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and give me the PCIID (the alphanumerical identifier at the end of the line. looks like [abcd:2342]) |
| 01:26.45 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: ahh you are not on debian.. that could axplain it :) |
| 01:27.51 | lapsusbrutus | gn all gtg |
| 01:27.56 | mooglenorph | babilen: ethernet is [8086:1502], wifi is [8086:0089] |
| 01:28.04 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: I am on Debian, just installed it (left Ubuntu). Seems all my repos already had "contrib non-free" though, and also gvim didn't appear in the available packages list |
| 01:28.06 | babilen | mooglenorph: err, btw .. I did not meant the .32 kernel but the .38 one in squeeze-backports ;) |
| 01:28.19 | babilen | ,pciid 8086:1502 |
| 01:28.22 | judd | [8086:1502] is '82579LM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel', 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1502 |
| 01:28.29 | babilen | ,pciid 8086:0089 |
| 01:28.31 | judd | [8086:0089] is 'Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0089 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 01:28.51 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: Would you be willing to have a look on my /etc/apt/sources.list? Maybe I did something horribly wrong with it..? |
| 01:28.56 | mooglenorph | Oh, cool. |
| 01:29.35 | babilen | mooglenorph: I would guess that you can get the wifi adaptor running after you've installed the firmware. You should install a newer kernel though in order to get a new version of the e1000e module for your NIC |
| 01:29.50 | mooglenorph | I think what I'll do is stick iwlang.deb on a flash drive, and deal with only having wifi until backports gets drivers for my ethernet nic. |
| 01:30.23 | mooglenorph | I'm not that knowledgeable and I like keeping configurations for a long time, so I try to stay away from "testing." |
| 01:30.39 | mooglenorph | thanks, you've been wildly helpful |
| 01:30.39 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: I gotta go to bed now. 3.30, but im sure somebody can let them copy theirs if you deleted something :) |
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| 01:31.00 | lapsusbrutus | gn all :) |
| 01:31.16 | babilen | mooglenorph: Just install the .38 kernel from backports and firmware-linux-nonfree. The latter should enable you to use the wifi adaptor (after "modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn") and you can then easily install the new kernel. |
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| 01:31.45 | babilen | mooglenorph: backports are meant to be used with stable |
| 01:32.05 | babilen | mooglenorph: And kernels are typically easy to upgrade |
| 01:32.54 | babilen | mooglenorph: so, how is the t[5,4]20 you've bought? (shot in the dark) |
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| 01:34.00 | Abddu | Which is better for use in KDE: vim-gtk or vim-gnome? (don't see vim-qt). |
| 01:34.13 | craigevil | runs Debian sid on an ancient R40 |
| 01:34.43 | ira_gershwin | i'd guess gtk but it's just a guess |
| 01:34.57 | ira_gershwin | gnome implies it has additional gnome dependencies |
| 01:35.10 | ira_gershwin | you can see what the dependencies are |
| 01:35.14 | ira_gershwin | when you try installing either |
| 01:35.17 | ira_gershwin | to compare |
| 01:35.18 | babilen | Arrowmaster: I would say -gtk and there is (and probably newer will be) a QT GUI for vim |
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| 01:38.24 | Abddu | ira_gershwin: My question was hasty. Neither of those 2 seems to be actually a GUI. |
| 01:39.24 | Abddu | babilen: Why no qt GUI for vim 'ever'? I thought vim was a praised app. :) |
| 01:40.02 | Arrowmaster | i cant think of any apps that have both gtk and qt versions |
| 01:40.04 | babilen | Abddu: Ok "ever" might be a bit too strong, but I haven't read about *any* QT plans on vim-dev ... |
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| 01:40.21 | babilen | and I doubt it'll ever happen |
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| 01:40.59 | babilen | Abddu: And vim-gnome and vim-gtk ship a GUI (run "gvim") |
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| 01:42.46 | Abddu | Arrowmaster: mplayes has, for example |
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| 01:43.00 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 01:43.56 | Arrowmaster | there are other apps that use mplayer that use different toolkits, but there is no official gui developed in both toolkits at the same time |
| 01:44.08 | Arrowmaster | hell there is no official gui thats even really maintained anymore |
| 01:44.48 | Abddu | Arrowmaster: Oh, you meant official. You're probably right there then. :) |
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| 01:48.16 | Abddu | What do I install (as minimal as possible, without installing gnome) to just run GTK based apps in KDE? |
| 01:48.59 | Arrowmaster | just install vim-gtk then |
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| 01:50.05 | Abddu | It fails to start with GUI, probably due to lack of GTK support in my system. that's why I'm seeking for packages to install for GTK support. |
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| 01:50.57 | babilen | Abddu: You installed vim-gtk and run "gvim" and it doesn't start? Could you run it from the command line? Do you get any errors? |
| 01:52.18 | Arrowmaster | Abddu: installing vim-gtk should install all need packages |
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| 01:53.02 | Abddu | babilen: 'gvim' starts a regular vim, with error: No protocol specified / E233: cannot open displayNo protocol specified / Press ENTER or type command to continue. |
| 01:53.03 | Abddu | When installing vim-gtk no dependancies were reported/installed. |
| 01:54.17 | babilen | Abddu: Which WM/DE are you using? |
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| 01:54.37 | mooglenorph | babilen: I just got the wifi working by putting the firmware packages on a flash drive! thanks. the laptop I bought is actually an x220, the thinkpad ultralight |
| 01:54.38 | craigevil | you could try cream, all i have is vim-tiny, installing cream only pulls in tcl8.5 vim-athena vim-gui-common vim-runtime cream |
| 01:54.51 | Abddu | babilen: KDE, freshly installed from Squeezy |
| 01:55.05 | mooglenorph | babilen: it's actually my first thinkpad, and the keyboard and build quality are *fantastic* |
| 01:55.23 | Brekkjern | Hello! Trying to install Debian 6.0.1. I am stuck at the CD-ROM detection. I have a NEC ND-3550a DVD drive with ATA connection. The automatic scan could not find a driver. Any ideas? |
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| 01:56.06 | babilen | mooglenorph: Ah, I thought it is a thinkpad ... hence my shot in the dark (close miss). I guess you know about http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki or? |
| 01:57.00 | mooglenorph | babilen: no, I haven't seen this yet. it looks really useful |
| 01:57.11 | babilen | Abddu: Installing vim-gtk should have pulled in some dependencies ... but meh, I'm tired and hand the support back to the channel. Good luck! |
| 01:57.32 | babilen | mooglenorph: even better, have fun! (and enjoy the wonderful hardware) |
| 01:57.46 | Abddu | babilen: Thank you for trying. I appreciate. :) |
| 01:57.57 | mooglenorph | babilen: so, from backports, I want to install linux-base and linux-image, specifically? |
| 01:58.11 | babilen | !bdo kernel |
| 01:58.12 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 See also <bdo kernel lenny>. |
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| 01:58.43 | babilen | !bdo |
| 01:58.44 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
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| 01:58.56 | babilen | mooglenorph: Do that ^^^ have fun and a good night :) |
| 01:59.14 | mooglenorph | babilen: ah, ok. thanks! :-) (now that my thinkpad is operational, I'm sure I will) |
| 01:59.54 | fireangel | anyone knows how to fix /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version GLIBCXX_3.4.11 not found error? the file exists and updating libc via apt-get doesnt do a thing (say latest version already) |
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| 02:02.18 | ira_gershwin | @fireangel: sometimes programs are really picky about your libstdc++ version |
| 02:02.22 | ira_gershwin | you might have .7 or something |
| 02:02.29 | ira_gershwin | and a program explicitly wants .6 |
| 02:02.37 | fireangel | how do i find out the version i got |
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| 02:03.15 | ira_gershwin | well, if i'm reading it correctly, and it's a version error on libstdc++ like i usually get |
| 02:03.24 | ira_gershwin | then just go to /usr/lib |
| 02:03.38 | ira_gershwin | and see if you have a libstdc++ of .6 like it seems to want |
| 02:03.53 | Mardetanha | can some convert this RH rule to debian one -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state âstate NEW -m tcp -p tcp âdport 8080 -j ACCEPT ? |
| 02:03.55 | ira_gershwin | or is it glibc that it's complining about? |
| 02:04.16 | ira_gershwin | if you do aptitude search, you'll likely find quite a few libstdc++ versions |
| 02:04.32 | ira_gershwin | if that's your version problem, install .6 if you don't have it |
| 02:04.52 | ira_gershwin | if you run ls -l you can see which version libstdc++ points to |
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| 02:05.16 | fireangel | well i copy pasted the msg above and it says both libstdc++ then GLIBCXX not found so i dont know which it is |
| 02:06.19 | ira_gershwin | looks like you need a different version of glibc |
| 02:06.32 | ira_gershwin | if you run aptitude search or apt-get search |
| 02:06.34 | ira_gershwin | for glibc |
| 02:06.42 | ira_gershwin | apt-get search glibc |
| 02:06.51 | ira_gershwin | see if you can find the version it's complaining about |
| 02:07.01 | fireangel | it says invalid operation search |
| 02:07.07 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:07.12 | ira_gershwin | oh can apt-get not search, only aptitude? |
| 02:07.13 | fireangel | for apt-get search glibc |
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| 02:07.26 | ira_gershwin | ahaha, been using aptitude too long |
| 02:07.29 | ira_gershwin | sorry |
| 02:07.36 | fireangel | aptitude say glibc-2.7.1 |
| 02:08.16 | ira_gershwin | hmm, then i don't have a quick fix for you, sorry |
| 02:08.20 | Mardetanha | could someone please help me with iptables :( ? |
| 02:08.24 | ira_gershwin | thought i did in the beginning |
| 02:08.34 | fireangel | its fine, this one is complicated |
| 02:08.50 | fireangel | its a new version of a commercial program, previous version worked fine |
| 02:08.59 | fireangel | they might have compiled things with a new compiler |
| 02:09.01 | DasEi | ira_gershwin: apt-cache search/show |
| 02:09.23 | fireangel | ill try to figure out to update glibc to the version it wants |
| 02:09.32 | ira_gershwin | DasEi: thanks |
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| 02:09.44 | ira_gershwin | yeah you could always just get the lib manually |
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| 02:09.50 | ira_gershwin | and plop it in /usr/local or something |
| 02:09.53 | ira_gershwin | that's what i would rpobably do |
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| 02:10.09 | ira_gershwin | then temporarily change your symlink in /usr/lib to that version |
| 02:10.21 | ira_gershwin | if you only need it for an install/fast run |
| 02:10.37 | fireangel | its only to run that specific program yeah |
| 02:11.07 | ira_gershwin | the problem is that it's a pretty significant library, so if you leave it as the new version with an older system |
| 02:11.15 | ira_gershwin | you could get, uh, quirks |
| 02:11.26 | ira_gershwin | but i've had to do stuff like that before |
| 02:11.29 | ira_gershwin | with libstdc++ |
| 02:11.30 | fireangel | in /usr/lib i got libstdc++.so.6 linking to libstdc++.so.6.0.10 and tahts it |
| 02:11.46 | ira_gershwin | i thought it was whining about libc |
| 02:12.28 | fireangel | thats the message |
| 02:12.35 | km | i can do a netinstall cause it doesn't have supported/device inetl 82579lm gigabit. is there a generic driver i can use with this nic? |
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| 02:13.00 | km | s/can do/ can't do/ |
| 02:13.05 | fireangel | "usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version GLIBCXX_3.4.11 not found error? the file exists and updating libstd via apt-get doesnt do a thing (say latest version already)" |
| 02:13.27 | fireangel | so its libstdc++ |
| 02:13.40 | Brekkjern | Hello! Trying to install Debian 6.0.1. I am stuck at the CD-ROM detection. I have a NEC ND-3550a DVD drive with ATA connection. The automatic scan could not find a driver. I opened up AT4 during the scan and it spams messages of "FAT: UTF-8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!" I can't see how it is relevant to the not finding a driver? |
| 02:15.20 | ira_gershwin | fireangel: if you aptitude search libstdc++ you'll see several versions |
| 02:15.48 | ira_gershwin | if it were me i'd try version 5 |
| 02:15.51 | fireangel | yeah i see a ton of versions |
| 02:16.00 | ira_gershwin | or hang out in here until you find someone who knows ^_^ |
| 02:16.10 | fireangel | how do i switch from the version i got? never used aptitude before, only apt-get |
| 02:16.21 | ira_gershwin | aptitude and apt-get are pretty much the same |
| 02:16.22 | smugglerinc | aptitude remove |
| 02:16.28 | ira_gershwin | except aptitude gets rid of dependencies |
| 02:16.34 | ira_gershwin | if you installed things with aptitude |
| 02:16.35 | smugglerinc | But the command syntax is the same |
| 02:16.36 | fireangel | oh ok |
| 02:16.44 | fireangel | im sure not i can remove such an essential library though |
| 02:16.45 | fireangel | can i? |
| 02:16.49 | ira_gershwin | oh no no |
| 02:16.52 | ira_gershwin | you don't need to remove anything |
| 02:16.59 | ira_gershwin | it's just a matter of temporary symlink changes |
| 02:17.10 | ira_gershwin | note that the real libraries are all blah.1.3.45.2 |
| 02:17.12 | ira_gershwin | something detailed |
| 02:17.17 | fireangel | yeah |
| 02:17.19 | ira_gershwin | libstdc++.6 or something |
| 02:17.21 | ira_gershwin | is just a symlink |
| 02:17.23 | fireangel | i know |
| 02:17.24 | ira_gershwin | so if you get a different version |
| 02:17.28 | ira_gershwin | it'll show up in /usr/lib |
| 02:17.35 | fireangel | i got it linking to 6.0.10 right now |
| 02:17.41 | ira_gershwin | and then you can just ln -s dest source |
| 02:17.43 | ira_gershwin | ok |
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| 02:18.01 | ira_gershwin | so what i had to do for mine |
| 02:18.07 | ira_gershwin | was download c++5 |
| 02:18.25 | ira_gershwin | and make a symlink called libstdc++ that linked to it |
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| 02:18.32 | ira_gershwin | without any version specification |
| 02:18.38 | fireangel | yeah ill try that |
| 02:18.44 | ira_gershwin | but at that point it comes down to the specifics of what your program expects |
| 02:18.49 | ira_gershwin | the proprietary one you're trying to please |
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| 02:20.55 | smugglerinc | I wonder if i need to do that. |
| 02:21.02 | kaolbrec | If I do, I'm fucked. |
| 02:21.09 | ira_gershwin | that is a bummer as finch doesn't seem to work with ssl |
| 02:21.16 | kusanagi | the channel have a zero instead of an O |
| 02:21.34 | kaolbrec | I tried SASL with weechat + irssi and had a whale of a time. |
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| 02:21.49 | nvz | you are being trolled, drop it.. |
| 02:21.49 | kusanagi | arent there any cops at freenode to shutdown that channel? |
| 02:22.08 | w098 | [** | NOTICE | **] IN JUST UNDER 2 WEEKS, JUNE 1ST, FREENODE WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU CONNECT TO IT. UNLESS YOU ENABLE SASL YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO CONNECT TO FREENODE. PLEASE JOIN #FREENODE AND LEARN HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR CONNECTION, BEFORE YOU LOSE FREENODE FOREVER [** | NOTICE | **] w098 luminoso kusanagi hamnegga smugglerinc heroxbd kaolbrec jhutchins_lt buhman bp0 Mardetanha MIOW sameerthahir penrod fireangel Brekkjern Parsifal doleyb dtcrshr ymasory d |
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| 02:22.09 | u56765 | [** | NOTICE | **] IN JUST UNDER 2 WEEKS, JUNE 1ST, FREENODE WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU CONNECT TO IT. UNLESS YOU ENABLE SASL YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO CONNECT TO FREENODE. PLEASE JOIN #FREENODE AND LEARN HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR CONNECTION, BEFORE YOU LOSE FREENODE FOREVER [** | NOTICE | **] gnaruag_ wissem Theoden Apeiron` m4v soapie Cibort flypp nym_ arcsky cnu km zykes- martchukov alpha^ Amorphous p3rror ring1 Bartzy muffincat edog LoneTech Prot3us preller deka |
| 02:22.09 | u56765 | [** | NOTICE | **] IN JUST UNDER 2 WEEKS, JUNE 1ST, FREENODE WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU CONNECT TO IT. UNLESS YOU ENABLE SASL YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO CONNECT TO FREENODE. PLEASE JOIN #FREENODE AND LEARN HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR CONNECTION, BEFORE YOU LOSE FREENODE FOREVER [** | NOTICE | **] shingouz clint- Bry8Star DetroitLibertyPe alexim t3a fignew stew soultekkie phate408 Raptors IdleOne Guerin zcat[1] DasEi Legion n3o Fyrespray Failrar kbar NetRiot Ex-Opesa vu |
| 02:22.09 | u56765 | [** | NOTICE | **] IN JUST UNDER 2 WEEKS, JUNE 1ST, FREENODE WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU CONNECT TO IT. UNLESS YOU ENABLE SASL YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO CONNECT TO FREENODE. PLEASE JOIN #FREENODE AND LEARN HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR CONNECTION, BEFORE YOU LOSE FREENODE FOREVER [** | NOTICE | **] r3r3 martinvol muddo oldtopman geekosopher Howie69 micols grazymax Yanch0 ihateyou moses magnet_ chaisen ryan`c XLV NuclearMeltdown cafuego blue arvind_khadri StuckDK {41444d4 |
| 02:22.21 | smugglerinc | Oh hey |
| 02:22.21 | woshty | apparently not |
| 02:22.21 | clever | now its obviously spam:P |
| 02:22.22 | nvz | wonderful |
| 02:22.22 | kaolbrec | ... |
| 02:22.26 | smugglerinc | That was magical |
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| 02:22.41 | ira_gershwin | i am fool ~*~*~*~ |
| 02:22.42 | nvz | this is not the first time I've seen this.. seen it many times in the past |
| 02:22.53 | hamnegga | yeah, but only mentioned in #debian for some reason, hmmm |
| 02:23.09 | Brekkjern | Ill bite and ask what nigerian I have to pay... |
| 02:23.12 | nvz | #d is where the cool tards troll |
| 02:23.14 | nvz | heh |
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| 02:23.43 | kusanagi | aren't there a channel with network mods? |
| 02:23.51 | hamnegga | anyone let me know if they can find u56765's ip |
| 02:24.00 | nvz | !ops we are being trolled |
| 02:24.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nvz complains about: we are being trolled |
| 02:24.02 | hamnegga | pwnage |
| 02:24.21 | clever | hamnegga: the ip is plainly visible |
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| 02:24.34 | hamnegga | who didn't see it |
| 02:24.36 | sffreer | [** | NOTICE | **] IN JUST UNDER 2 WEEKS, JUNE 1ST, FREENODE WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU CONNECT TO IT. UNLESS YOU ENABLE SASL YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO CONNECT TO FREENODE. PLEASE JOIN #FREENODE AND LEARN HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR CONNECTION, BEFORE YOU LOSE FREENODE FOREVER [** | NOTICE | **] sffreer Fyrespray^ shahri_ luminoso kusanagi hamnegga smugglerinc heroxbd kaolbrec jhutchins_lt buhman bp0 Mardetanha MIOW sameerthahir penrod fireangel Brekkjern Parsifal doley |
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| 02:24.58 | smugglerinc | ahem |
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| 02:25.06 | clever | the troll lacks any iq |
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| 02:25.10 | clever | once its believeable |
| 02:25.15 | clever | over and over, its obvious fake:P |
| 02:25.21 | clint- | heh |
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| 02:25.32 | kusanagi | you are clever |
| 02:25.35 | clint- | have so many networks I already connect to, other than IRC networks ;-) |
| 02:25.36 | nevyn | so are ops on this already? |
| 02:25.45 | nvz | it will be handled, and we've seen the EXACT same message many times before.. lets just move on.. |
| 02:26.02 | fireangel | btw, rapture is tomorrow, so who cares about june 1st |
| 02:26.07 | RainbowW | when you spam, god makes your penis smaller. just fyi. |
| 02:26.13 | clever | fireangel: good point |
| 02:26.16 | nevyn | fireangel: isn't the rapture today? |
| 02:26.24 | kusanagi | omg, are frenode changing the authentification again? i hope it does not cost much this time... |
| 02:26.24 | fireangel | depends on where you live! |
| 02:26.24 | ira_gershwin | rapture really sneaks up on you |
| 02:26.27 | mentor | Depends where you are |
| 02:26.29 | Brekkjern | 1 and a half hour away here :P |
| 02:26.31 | peterS | nevyn: see how the user is logging on from so many different IPs, yet is being killed on each one by a bot less than a second after it posts? |
| 02:26.32 | fireangel | have you ascended yet? |
| 02:26.35 | woshty | fireangel: wasnt it postponed |
| 02:26.41 | clint- | hehe |
| 02:26.42 | ira_gershwin | either my dentist appointment was today and rapture is tomorrow or vice versa |
| 02:26.43 | nevyn | peterS: ah |
| 02:26.44 | peterS | nevyn: not much more we can do that that bot is already doing for us, I'm thinking |
| 02:26.44 | clint- | spammers.. ^_^ |
| 02:26.47 | ira_gershwin | they both have the same color in my google calendar |
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| 02:26.53 | clint- | I just got back from a graduation.. deal |
| 02:26.54 | clint- | ;-) |
| 02:27.04 | hamnegga | ah, my /who isn't working for some reason |
| 02:27.09 | sameerthahir | cant these people be kicked out |
| 02:27.21 | sameerthahir | i mean the spammers |
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| 02:27.28 | smugglerinc | They are getting kicked |
| 02:27.29 | peterS | sameerthahir: they are being kicked out, watch more closely |
| 02:27.38 | sameerthahir | i see |
| 02:27.40 | hamnegga | someone tell me the ip, and I'll put em down |
| 02:27.44 | hamnegga | :) |
| 02:27.48 | gnaruag_ | :D |
| 02:27.52 | mentor | There's a magic bot that gets them |
| 02:27.56 | gnaruag_ | i can't see they being kicked |
| 02:27.57 | peterS | hamnegga: which IP of the many single-use IPs they are using do you want? |
| 02:28.00 | clever | hamnegga: its different each time |
| 02:28.06 | hamnegga | as many as you got |
| 02:28.13 | gnaruag_ | :-/ |
| 02:28.19 | hamnegga | yeah, probably a proxy neways |
| 02:28.37 | mentor | hamnegga: Their hosts should be clearly visible to you. However, don't do that. |
| 02:28.42 | smugglerinc | gnaruag_: Their being killed. |
| 02:28.44 | Brekkjern | I'll ask again tomorrow. Not much help here today. |
| 02:28.49 | clint- | well yuity is in mexico so.. probably rebels |
| 02:28.49 | ira_gershwin | seems like you'd just need a bot to run substring to auto-kick |
| 02:28.55 | clint- | <(") |
| 02:28.56 | ira_gershwin | but what do i know! |
| 02:29.22 | mentor | ira_gershwin: What do you think idoru is doing? |
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| 02:29.56 | ira_gershwin | oh yeah, how about that |
| 02:30.04 | smugglerinc | :D |
| 02:30.27 | nvz | doesnt see anything happening cause he has it all on ignore |
| 02:30.41 | mentor | I'll try to keep the competence to a minimum in future. |
| 02:30.46 | peterS | only way to do it better, really, would be a bot running on the servers themselves, that could do the same thing before a message actually gets posted at all |
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| 02:31.07 | mentor | peterS: Hmmm, it's an idea. |
| 02:31.11 | clever | peterS: ive heard of a few irc servers capable of that |
| 02:31.25 | clever | block the msg server side and auto-kick them |
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| 02:31.35 | peterS | mentor: yeah, I have no idea if freenode's servers support that kind of plugin functionality at all, of course |
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| 02:32.14 | mentor | IRC servers are a special type of insanity |
| 02:32.42 | smugglerinc | Oh? |
| 02:33.09 | kusanagi | how would you easily see the content of all the files of a random whatever.d directory on a cli? |
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| 02:33.31 | mentor | kusanagi: less? |
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| 02:40.56 | smugglerinc | I was banned? |
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| 02:41.25 | aafuentes | smugglerinc, you were a suspect of all this mess |
| 02:41.39 | smugglerinc | Oh my |
| 02:41.43 | aafuentes | but your name has been cleared now |
| 02:41.49 | ira_gershwin | (claps) |
| 02:41.54 | smugglerinc | Yay |
| 02:43.17 | ira_gershwin | so what percentage of debian users use sid? |
| 02:43.20 | ira_gershwin | (about) |
| 02:43.49 | stew | no way to know |
| 02:44.06 | mentor | smugglerinc: No registered users were banned for a short period |
| 02:44.11 | ira_gershwin | more accurately: what's your perception of the percentage of debian users who use sid? |
| 02:44.25 | smugglerinc | Ah that is a logical solution |
| 02:44.31 | mentor | sprinkles that sentence with punctuation |
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| 02:44.48 | mentor | smugglerinc: Or yes, registered users were banned for a short period |
| 02:44.58 | mentor | depending on which question you were asking |
| 02:45.49 | aafuentes | wow mentor i cant belive it worked :D |
| 02:45.58 | aafuentes | :n to move to next file ^^ |
| 02:46.14 | smugglerinc | Eh? |
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| 02:46.25 | mentor | aafuentes: Glad to help, Major |
| 02:48.42 | Abddu | Need help, just failed at googlling: I am on KDE and want to use GVim. Installed vim-gtk, but apt didn't find any dependencies, so GVim doesn't work (prints error and launchesnormal vim without GUI). What to do? What additional packages to install so that vim-gtk can be launched as a GUId app? |
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| 02:49.13 | peterS | Abddu: what error? |
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| 02:49.49 | nevyn | Abddu: that's a bug |
| 02:50.01 | buhman | is it possible to install the microsoft fonts? (I think it's called "msttf-core" or something to that effect in other distributions) |
| 02:50.26 | smugglerinc | I believe it is possible. Lemme consult the repo |
| 02:50.29 | nevyn | ttf-corefonts-installer |
| 02:50.42 | mentor | buhman: apt-cache search microsoft fonts |
| 02:51.11 | smugglerinc | ^that^ |
| 02:51.44 | Abddu | peterS: No protocol specified / E233: cannot open displayNo protocol specified |
| 02:52.09 | peterS | Abddu: cannot open display, huh? is the $DISPLAY variable defined? in a screen session, for example, it isn't |
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| 02:53.07 | Abddu | peterS: I don't understand your question. Googling "$DISPLAY variable" |
| 02:53.17 | peterS | Abddu: try this: echo $DISPLAY |
| 02:53.23 | peterS | it should say :0.0 or similar |
| 02:53.44 | Abddu | petemc: :0.0 |
| 02:53.58 | Abddu | peterS: :0.0 (sorry petemc) |
| 02:53.59 | smugglerinc | Interesting |
| 02:54.01 | nsadmin | "installed vim-gtk" how? |
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| 02:54.14 | Abddu | nsadmin: aptitude install vim-gtk |
| 02:54.28 | Abddu | Then removed, then used apt-get, same effect |
| 02:54.33 | mordocai | So, I have a weird issue that I was having trouble googling (google help might even be nice, if you guys don't know the answer :P). In icedove, I was moving multiple (20+ and at least 10k+ emails) from local folders to my personal IMAP server. In the middle of this, my Xorg server died and took icedove with it. Now, if I try to copy multiple folders, or even one at a time, it stops after the first foler and won't copy any more folders until I restar |
| 02:54.34 | mordocai | t icedove. Any ideas how to fix this? Obviously, I can just copy one folder, restart icedove, and copy the next but that will take a while.... |
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| 02:55.33 | nsadmin | hmm... could you pastebin your sources.list, the output of apt-cache policy vim-gtk and apt-cache policy |
| 02:55.58 | Abddu | nsadmin: me or mordocai? |
| 02:56.01 | smugglerinc | Mordecai: Have you tried moving the files via the command line? |
| 02:56.10 | nsadmin | Abddu you |
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| 02:56.15 | mentor | mordocai: Does it occur in other clients? |
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| 02:56.17 | Abddu | nsadmin: gimme a sec. |
| 02:57.01 | peterS | I don't get vim-gtk, the only reason I ever use a vi clone is if I think emacs is too heavyweight for the task at hand. vi with a GUI seems a bit pointless in that case. |
| 02:57.04 | mordocai | mentor: Well, I don't really have any other clients with local folders I can try to move... I could make up something real quick though. |
| 02:57.39 | mordocai | smugglerinc: No, idk how would I move mail messages from an icedove folder to my server via command line? |
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| 02:58.39 | mordocai | mentor: Have to grab my laptop from my car though, brb and i'll try another icedove instance. (Forgot to mention, no errors in terminal or error console. Know of a log file?) |
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| 03:01.50 | Abddu | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/GsmR2wGi , http://pastebin.com/kqegKLn5 |
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| 03:06.03 | dokma | hey guyz can someone verify for me the /var/lib/php5 is root:root |
| 03:06.14 | dokma | I can't see how apache2 can put anything in there... |
| 03:06.54 | DammitJim | dokma, what version? |
| 03:06.55 | stew | dokma: its chmod 1722 |
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| 03:07.30 | stew | dokma: (meaning anyone can put files in there, but nobody but root can see them or remove someone elses files) |
| 03:07.53 | dokma | ahhh that's the sticky bit right... |
| 03:08.03 | stew | actuall 1733 |
| 03:08.13 | dokma | but I'm still having issues with sessions in typo3 |
| 03:08.45 | dokma | I can clearly see in the code that a session is started I've even set a variable in that session that contains some random string just for the sake of finding it |
| 03:08.58 | dokma | and it does not endup in /var/lib/php5 |
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| 03:09.32 | dokma | as much as I understand this thing when anything is set in $_SESSION it should endup in /var/lib/php5 am I right? |
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| 03:09.59 | mordocai | mentor: Okay, so my laptop's icedove can copy as many local folders as it wants in one session. |
| 03:10.06 | mordocai | mentor: So definitely a local issue. |
| 03:10.42 | mentor | Well, it's probably an index file or something that's corrupted, and when it touches it it hangs |
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| 03:11.01 | dokma | mentor: any way to rebuild this? |
| 03:11.26 | mentor | mordocai: I'm not quite sure how to fix it beyond delete everything and start again. |
| 03:11.26 | dokma | ahhhh... you're talking to mordocai |
| 03:11.58 | mentor | mordocai: Maybe if you copy the local bits to a new instance and then upload them |
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| 03:12.31 | mordocai | mentor: Yeah, I was thinking something similar... backup my Imapmail and Mail folders then copy them back into a new profile. |
| 03:12.39 | ouyes | how often debian launch a stable release? |
| 03:12.47 | mordocai | mentor: I'm trying to make sure those are the only ones with mail in them though. |
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| 03:14.08 | mentor | Maybe try moving global-message-db.sqlite out of the way |
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| 03:14.21 | mentor | mordocai: It appears to just be those two folder here |
| 03:15.12 | mordocai | mentor: Well, i backed up the entire .icedove folder just in case, now doing that. We'll see how it goes. |
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| 03:16.06 | mentor | All the sqlite files are good candidates, as is the Cache folder |
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| 03:21.37 | mordocai | mentor: Awesome, that appears to work. Thanks for confirming that it appeared that the mail was in those two folders, that was what was primarily holding me back :) |
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| 03:22.34 | manchot | an anyone point me to a script to setup VPN under squeeze? |
| 03:23.24 | mordocai | next step: figure out if I can move all my message filters to work on the remote folders instead of the local :) |
| 03:24.20 | mordocai | Looks like with some manual text file editing, the answer is yes :) |
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| 03:30.52 | buhman | mentor: can't believe I didn't see that |
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| 03:31.15 | mentor | buhman: ? |
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| 03:33.12 | buhman | mentor: the msttfcorefonts |
| 03:33.18 | mentor | ah |
| 03:33.56 | buhman | mentor: probably adding a description to the virtual package might help... |
| 03:34.35 | mentor | virtual packages don't have descriptions. They're virtual |
| 03:34.44 | buhman | the ttf-mscorefonts-installer gets lost in the middle of all the other ttf-*'s |
| 03:34.58 | buhman | mentor: really? perhaps that should be fixed? |
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| 03:35.32 | mentor | no |
| 03:35.43 | buhman | mentor: why not? |
| 03:35.45 | mentor | The real packages have descriptions |
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| 03:36.24 | stew | buhman: where would the description go? there is no place to put it, since the package doesn't really exist anywhere |
| 03:36.24 | buhman | mentor: well, perhaps virtual packages might have a description of which real packages they install? or what they're for? |
| 03:36.50 | buhman | stew: well, I'm not not honestly sure how metapackages actually work... |
| 03:36.50 | mentor | er |
| 03:36.58 | mentor | virtual != meta |
| 03:37.03 | stew | buhman: metapackages are real packages, so they have descriptions |
| 03:37.08 | Gump | hey #debian, i installed the 3rd party drivers for my wireless card, and it is still not working. what can i do to troubleshoot and figure out why it's not working? from gnome, it just says "wireless networks" with a grayed out "disconnected" |
| 03:37.18 | stew | buhman: virtual packages exist only in that some other package named it as something they Provide |
| 03:37.23 | mentor | And as far as I can see ttf-mscorefonts-installer has a description |
| 03:37.25 | buhman | Gump: is that an acer netbook? |
| 03:37.40 | Gump | buhman, no it is a gateway |
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| 03:37.50 | wols | Gump: which wlan chipset? |
| 03:37.51 | Gump | gateway m-6850FX |
| 03:37.52 | buhman | Gump: do usb adapaters work? |
| 03:38.06 | stew | buhman: like iceweasel says "Provides: www-browser" but there isn't really a package named "www-browser" its just sometihng that things say they provide to mean that they are a web browser |
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| 03:38.33 | Gump | yes buhman usb adaptors work |
| 03:38.41 | buhman | Gump: oh, then you don't have my issue :) |
| 03:38.50 | Gump | wols, how can i determine the wlan chipset? when i first installed it, it told me the wlan chipset and i installed the drivers |
| 03:39.02 | Gump | buhman, i do have a problem. i can't connect to any wireless networks |
| 03:39.20 | wols | Gump: lspci |
| 03:40.00 | wols | stew: so what is installed if I do a "aptitude install www-browser" ? first in the list? |
| 03:40.14 | Gump | wols, "Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron]" |
| 03:40.26 | stew | wols: there is no list. |
| 03:40.37 | smugglerinc | Wols: Nothing is installed. |
| 03:40.46 | wols | stew: so I can't directly install it? just that icewease provides this virtual package? |
| 03:40.47 | stew | wols: iirc it will say "no package found by name www-browser, it is purely virtual" or someting |
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| 03:41.03 | wols | ie in case some other package needs a wwwb-browser |
| 03:41.13 | smugglerinc | SOmething like that. |
| 03:41.30 | wols | !tell Gump about iwlagn |
| 03:41.40 | stew | wols: in that case they must always say "iceweasel | www-browser" so that they give a definitive choice, but let you override it |
| 03:41.40 | wols | Gump: most probably you need to install the non-free firmware |
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| 03:47.34 | Gump | what is the difference between apt-get install and aptitude install? |
| 03:48.46 | Abddu | Gump: practically none |
| 03:48.49 | wols | Gump: at this point in time, mainly conflict resolution. aptitude is better there |
| 03:49.04 | stew | Gump: the end result should generally be the same. aptitude will try harder to search for a solution if satisfying dependencies isn't straightforward, and will provide multiple alternatives if possible |
| 03:49.23 | Abddu | Gump: aptitude is very similar to apt when used in command line. It has a nice curses gui though, try aptitude without any parameters, you'll see |
| 03:49.38 | stew | and aptitude will remove no longer needed, automatically install packages (whereas with apt-get you have to run 'autoremove' separately) |
| 03:50.20 | stew | ^install^installed |
| 03:50.37 | manchot | I setup a openvpn server and connected to it. but I can't load any sites -- DNS seems to be not working. |
| 03:50.42 | manchot | anyway to fix it? |
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| 03:54.07 | vzlahagen | manchot: check your kernel routing table.. i had a similar problem connectiong to a cisco vpn |
| 03:54.19 | mordocai | So, for some reason syncing 36,000+ images to my imap server takes awhile. Wonder why that could be. :) |
| 03:54.26 | mordocai | s/images/emails/ |
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| 03:57.28 | manchot | vzlahagen, how to check? |
| 03:57.39 | aafuentes | what is /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 03:57.56 | smugglerinc | Possibly a lock file? |
| 03:58.10 | vzlahagen | machot:"route -n" as root |
| 03:58.16 | nevyn | manchot: some vpn's require you use remote dns and remove default roues |
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| 03:59.19 | stew | aafuentes: the status of all the packages that have been installed on your machine |
| 03:59.49 | aafuentes | stew why does it appear with a priority of 100 when i do apt-cache policy package? |
| 03:59.54 | manchot | nevyn, I set up openvpn on my own server. |
| 04:00.01 | stew | aafuentes: because the package is installed |
| 04:00.19 | stew | aafuentes: see man apt_preferences |
| 04:00.28 | aafuentes | im irght at that man page |
| 04:00.47 | aafuentes | i did not find any reference to status file |
| 04:00.55 | stew | aafuentes: look for "priority 100" |
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| 04:01.28 | aafuentes | thanks stew :D |
| 04:04.50 | Abddu | nsadmin: Magic! GVim works. Since I sent you the sources.list pastebin I did nothing with it, took care of some other issues that included update/upgrade, and now gvim works smoothly. :) |
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| 04:20.16 | vieq | hello, is there are some web sites like rpmfind.net for debian? |
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| 04:20.53 | mordocai | vieq: I think packages.debian.org would be. |
| 04:21.13 | stew | vieq: ^^^ but its only going to be packages in debian. is there something you are looking for that isn't in debian? |
| 04:21.22 | vieq | mordocai: it was the first result on the search page, but not what I was looking for. |
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| 04:21.31 | vieq | stew: deadbeef! |
| 04:21.34 | wols | vieq: no. as mordocai said pdo, but taht only lists packages in normal debian |
| 04:22.16 | vieq | wols: which is already available via apt-cache search right? |
| 04:22.39 | vieq | stew: stew deadbeef.sourceforge.net, I was looking for that |
| 04:22.56 | vieq | cause the pkg they got debian ain't the latest one. |
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| 04:23.29 | stew | !dbugs 576975 |
| 04:23.33 | dpkg | #576975:W[wnpp] ITP: deadbeef -- Ultimate Music Player For GNU/Linux (); Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:33:11 UTC [] |
| 04:23.40 | vieq | dbugs? |
| 04:23.44 | vieq | which means? |
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| 04:24.19 | stew | vieq: its an "Intent To Package" bug filed against the "work needed and prospective packages" psudo package |
| 04:24.29 | stew | vieq: see http://bugs.debian.org/576975 |
| 04:24.55 | vieq | stew: mm, this means if I waited just a little more it would hit the repos? |
| 04:24.58 | vieq | checking. |
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| 04:25.49 | stew | vieq: yes. its waiting for sponsorship. that bug has a link to the source of the package |
| 04:26.40 | vieq | mm, it's kinda slow! they're talking about version 0.3.3 while 0.5.0 is already out. |
| 04:26.46 | vieq | aright man, thanks. |
| 04:27.15 | vieq | while I am here, would adding ppa repo's gonna get me nightmares? |
| 04:28.47 | stew | vieq: you should check the git repository, when the bug was initially filed many nonths ago they were talking about 0.33 |
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| 04:28.50 | stew | 0.3.3* |
| 04:29.08 | vieq | cool then, thanks. |
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| 04:29.45 | stew | there is no way someone could answer your question about PPAs. they are all different. they are typically for ubuntu, not debian |
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| 04:30.12 | stew | but aiui, there is nobody making sure the code isn't malicious or poorly packaged or legal or otherwise bad |
| 04:30.45 | wols | not that debian.org indemnifies me either in any way... |
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| 04:33.46 | vieq | :) |
| 04:33.50 | vieq | I got the message. |
| 04:34.26 | stew | wols: no, but at least packages are vetted when they first enter the archive, and there is a much wider audience looking after them in general |
| 04:36.08 | wols | speaking of legal: there was/is this debian based distro which is purely Free 100%, no exceptions. isn't debian now the same that it has removed all non-free firmware? or is there anything "non-free" left inside main? |
| 04:36.38 | stew | wols: i don't know of one |
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| 04:37.10 | stew | wols: there was gnewsense based off ubuntu, but they then explicitly put the non-free docs from GNU into their archive |
| 04:37.14 | stew | ^was^is |
| 04:37.32 | wols | heh |
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| 04:38.58 | taglass | Trisql or soemthing like that I think? |
| 04:39.15 | taglass | Also based off of ubuntu though |
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| 04:40.12 | stew | wols: looks like gnewsense hasn't yet updated their FAQ about it: http://www.gnewsense.org/FAQ |
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| 04:42.19 | taglass | stew: What needs to be updated on that FAQ? |
| 04:42.59 | stew | taglass: does debian include non-free kernel drivers? |
| 04:43.18 | stew | taglass: do you know of any ways in which debian is not fully free? |
| 04:43.43 | wols | well, it contains non-free stuff in its repositories. gnewsense faq said so |
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| 04:43.59 | wols | e.g. debian servers hold non-free software even when it's outside main |
| 04:44.02 | taglass | stew: The mere presence of the non-free repository goes against the definition of "free" that the FAQ is using. |
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| 04:44.17 | stew | taglass: which debian explicitly considers to be "not part of debian" |
| 04:44.21 | Datz | !noipv6 |
| 04:44.21 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 04:44.31 | taglass | stew: but FSF does |
| 04:44.39 | Datz | how do I do option two here |
| 04:44.44 | stew | the FSF doesn't believe all software should be free anyway |
| 04:44.45 | Datz | where is the file I need to edit? |
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| 04:48.53 | Abddu | aptitude search thunderbird gives no results. :8 How is it called? |
| 04:48.59 | stew | Abddu: icedove |
| 04:49.07 | Abddu | Geez... Thanks. :D |
| 04:49.40 | Abddu | I'm very lucky I'm not a firefox user. Though I would definitely try FireDove. :D |
| 04:50.03 | stew | Abddu: its iceweasel. its the same as firefox other than the name and the icons |
| 04:50.24 | supaplexoWEMzqpI | I can't believe it's not butter! I mean FF! ;) |
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| 04:50.37 | stew | (speaking of which, i wonder if the firefox in gnewsense has the non-free artwork) |
| 04:50.55 | taglass | I think it uses Icecat? |
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| 04:53.19 | Abddu | Why rename apps that whole the world know by their names without changing them in a very distinctive way? And without even giving repos a way to tell the user: you searched for firefox, but it's called iceweasel here. Do you want to install iceweasel? |
| 04:53.45 | taglass | Abddu: Legal requirements |
| 04:53.52 | stew | Abddu: becuase mozilla told us we are not allowed to use their trademarks |
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| 04:55.06 | stew | Abddu: (and searching for firefox should find you "iceweasel - Web browser based on Firefox") |
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| 04:56.16 | Abddu | Debian can't and Ubuntu can? Hard to believe, so I suppose Debianers insisted on somehow fiddling with FF/TB |
| 04:57.08 | stew | Abddu: yes, that is correct. debian can't and ubuntu can. we only insist on fiddling with it in two ways: remove the non-free parts, provide security support. Mozilla told us if we do either we may not use the firefox trademark |
| 04:57.16 | jdthoodUP | I can't reach alioth.d.o |
| 04:57.54 | wols | stew: wasn't the right of the users to modify and redistribute it a problem too? |
| 04:58.02 | stew | Abddu: if you want to read more: here is the bug filed in our bug tracking system by a Mozilla lawyer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 04:58.08 | stew | Abddu: or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 04:58.12 | Syman | yeah pretty much firefox without the branding |
| 04:58.13 | stew | wols: not afaik |
| 04:59.21 | stew | wols: well, i suppose anytime someone distributs a modified version, they might run into the same problems |
| 04:59.26 | stew | magically, nobody else does though |
| 04:59.51 | yardleydobon | I just updated testing and now Java is segfaulting. both openjdk and sun are segfaulting on java -version. |
| 05:00.05 | wols | stew: btw, what are the non-free bits? is there a list of them or are they only the artwork? |
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| 05:00.17 | stew | wols: afaik its just artwork |
| 05:00.49 | mordocai | yardleydobon: Cannot reproduce that on my debian testing that was updated an hour ago. |
| 05:01.23 | Abddu | stew: Thanks you, reading those links |
| 05:02.14 | yardleydobon | crap, i walked away while it was updating and came back to a kernel panic. update appears to have finished correctly though. |
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| 05:42.44 | ronghail | the shadow home is apparently down, was fine this morning: pkg-shadow.alioth.debian.org |
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| 05:43.48 | wols | ronghail: someone already said earlier that alioth was down |
| 05:43.53 | ronghail | ok |
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| 05:47.48 | thepro4ever | is there a way to save the state of all the terminals i have open? |
| 05:48.12 | thepro4ever | i hate logging on and opening up 7 terminals every day and navigating back to my paths and opening files in vim for my development |
| 05:48.24 | thepro4ever | it would be great if i could just boot up and those windows come back up |
| 05:48.31 | wols | thepro4ever: hibernate |
| 05:48.48 | thepro4ever | i've noticed hibernate fucks with my sound for some reason |
| 05:49.05 | thepro4ever | i couldn't listen to videos on the web last time i tried that and had to reboot |
| 05:49.10 | mordocai | thepro4ever: You could set up bash scripts that start the various terminals and run commands in them, then have those bash scripts start on startup with your desktop environment. |
| 05:49.11 | thepro4ever | but i'll give it another try |
| 05:49.38 | wols | should fix your sound drivers then I guess. or maybe the sound daemon |
| 05:50.00 | wols | thepro4ever: which debian do you run? and what desktop? |
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| 05:52.41 | simonlnu | you could that in screen even |
| 05:52.45 | simonlnu | thepro4ever: |
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| 06:13.06 | bw123 | anybody know what that little mount panel is called in damn small linux? |
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| 06:19.49 | access_d | bw123: this is #debian.. i don't think what you're asking pertains to the channel we're in.. |
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| 06:21.03 | bw123 | access_d: thanks for the help |
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| 06:23.15 | Abddu | Gosh... how do I check my video card model? |
| 06:25.03 | wols | Abddu: lspci |
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| 06:30.10 | Abddu | wols: Your boss bless you! |
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| 06:34.57 | Abddu | My last big task to accomplish in my fresh install: how to make sure my video drivers are good (best) for ATI Radeon 5750. Any tips welcome. |
| 06:36.49 | wols | Abddu: define "best" |
| 06:37.02 | bw123 | cat Xorg.0.log |grep (EE) |
| 06:37.04 | wols | if you want the fastest for 3D, you need the fglrx drivers. /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 06:37.29 | wols | if you want Free software, you need "radeon". for probably both, you need the non-free radeon firmware installed |
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| 06:37.45 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:37.56 | Abddu | wols: Best working. Top quality. Doesn't need to be free. |
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| 06:38.25 | wols | well.... sometimes fglrx has issues :) |
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| 06:38.51 | wols | so it's not so easy as that. I suggest you install fglrx and try it out. it's definitely the faster one |
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| 06:40.29 | Abddu | apt lists: fglrx-atieventsd -control -driver -glx -glx-ia32 -modules-dkms -source |
| 06:40.29 | Abddu | Is it enough to install the "-driver" thingy? |
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| 06:43.01 | streuner | dpkg fglrx |
| 06:43.09 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:44.17 | Abddu | Thank you. Installed. Rebooting. Hopefully be back soon with X still up. :) |
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| 06:57.24 | Abddu | fglrx installed, can't see any change in X behaviour. Suppose it needs some config. Googling. :) |
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| 06:58.06 | wols | Abddu: don't google |
| 06:58.27 | wols | debian.org has lots of nice info about it how to make it work if it doesn't |
| 06:59.37 | Abddu | Found the wiki page. Good tip, thank you. |
| 07:00.58 | Abddu | Seems like it has all the info I need. Excellent. Thank you for the help. And good night. :) |
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| 07:03.57 | Gump | #debian, i have a problem. my headphone jack is not working. i had this same problem with ubuntu. took me months to get it fixed... and i can't remember what i did to fix it. where can i start? |
| 07:04.04 | Gump | debian uses alsa right? |
| 07:04.57 | nevyn | Gump: everything uses alsa. |
| 07:05.50 | Gump | cool. well alsa gave me HELL under ubuntu. i tried recompiling it, and nothing. somehow managed to corrupt it so no audio worked at all. it was a pain. anyone have any suggestions? |
| 07:07.47 | wols | Gump: what notebook? |
| 07:08.10 | Gump | gateway m-6850FX |
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| 07:08.14 | wols | I'd check first google for other people with the same problem. your notebook is not a unique device and probably more people tried to run linux on it |
| 07:08.37 | wols | gateway is acer, right? |
| 07:08.43 | Gump | wols, my laptop is pretty rare. i started with google. everyone suggests "sudo modprobe -r snd-hda-intel |
| 07:08.43 | Gump | sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=dell-m42" |
| 07:08.48 | Gump | which did not work |
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| 07:10.07 | wols | Gump: options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=0 model=eapd in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf according to a ubuntu page |
| 07:10.11 | wols | ,versions alsa-utils |
| 07:10.11 | judd | Package alsa-utils on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.16-2; squeeze: 1.0.23-3; sid: 1.0.23-5+b1; wheezy: 1.0.23-5+b1 |
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| 07:10.34 | wols | Gump: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1170581 |
| 07:10.55 | wols | also, laptops are never really rare since they are all made by the same 3 ODM manufacturers in china. |
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| 07:11.14 | Gump | ....oh sh**. i swear, in all my months of googling this issue i never saw that page. thanks |
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| 07:14.18 | Gump | how can i disable snd-hda-intel temporarily? |
| 07:14.44 | wols | modprobe -r it |
| 07:15.26 | Gump | i tried that. it returned "FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use." |
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| 07:16.14 | wols | some program uses it then |
| 07:17.10 | Gump | wols, so there is no way to end it while it is in use? D: |
| 07:17.25 | wols | you can use rmmod and force remove it |
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| 07:19.04 | Gump | rrmod: command not found. wat |
| 07:20.15 | wols | rrmod is not rmmod, is it? |
| 07:21.03 | Gump | haha yes that was it. still insists that it not be in use though |
| 07:22.08 | Gump | oh. worked with -f. thanks |
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| 07:24.23 | manchot | I setup a OpenVPN server for NAT, and I already echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, |
| 07:24.48 | wols | openvpn for nat? huh? |
| 07:24.56 | manchot | but I still can't access IPs or Urls other than 10.8.0.1 |
| 07:25.12 | manchot | wols, openvpn as an NAT |
| 07:25.34 | manchot | I want to tunnel all my internet traffice through openvpn server |
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| 07:37.55 | khaije|minder | is there a way to limit the ram a/o cpu a program can use, or to reserve some ram/cpu for critical processes? |
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| 07:38.25 | khaije|minder | I have a mini-vps and I'd like to prioritize sshd |
| 07:39.06 | wols | khaije|minder: cgroups. but beware of the shit they call documentation |
| 07:39.21 | khaije|minder | wols: isn't cgroups the new hotness? |
| 07:39.59 | wols | fairly hot. but apparently the docs for it aren't as hot :) |
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| 07:40.17 | khaije|minder | heh thanks :) |
| 07:40.54 | wols | khaije|minder: redhat has a fairly extensive book/whitepaper about it afaik |
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| 07:44.58 | khaije|minder | ah cool looks like systemd made it to debian, i wonder if i can use that for this... |
| 07:45.51 | wols | the question is more if you should :) |
| 07:46.17 | wols | tried cgroups myself, but in the end it was pointless: rationing doesn't work if there isn't enough CPU to go around in the first place for all you want to do :) |
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| 07:47.06 | khaije|minder | wols: i dig it, i'm actually ok with getting a couple teirs of performance |
| 07:47.45 | khaije|minder | basically just want to prioritize sshd so that emacs-type user apps don't make the machine inaccessible |
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| 07:50.50 | Dev0n | hey, how would I view deb compile options for applications ? |
| 07:51.37 | wols | Dev0n: debian/rules normally |
| 07:53.11 | nkuttler | Dev0n: which would be in the source package |
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| 07:54.50 | Dev0n | thx but thx |
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| 08:07.48 | thegoodcushion | On Ubuntu if you want to install the latest nvidia drivers (proprietary), you install the package nvidia-current. What's the debian equivalent? |
| 08:09.19 | nkuttler | !tell thegoodcushion about nvidia |
| 08:09.37 | thegoodcushion | right, there's no easy way |
| 08:09.43 | Bushmills | thegoodcushion: there's a page on the debian wiki, giving instruction how to |
| 08:09.56 | Bushmills | essentially, 2 commands |
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| 08:11.09 | nkuttler | oh my, docs to read. this isn't easy.. |
| 08:11.16 | wols | Bushmills: don't forget you have to manually edit a file *gasp* |
| 08:12.12 | Bushmills | wols: there are interactive graphical file customisation frontends available for such things |
| 08:12.41 | thegoodcushion | well if Ubuntu can do it in a package, why can't debian? |
| 08:13.01 | Bushmills | because debian likes to attract trolls asking such things |
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| 08:13.16 | wols | thegoodcushion: it is in a package. and debian wants to be a Free distro, unlike ubuntu |
| 08:13.21 | pacia | ciao a tutti |
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| 08:13.40 | thegoodcushion | okay well I can understand if you have to select non-free software sources |
| 08:13.48 | thegoodcushion | but it should still be a single package |
| 08:13.57 | wols | ubuntu is like a lawyer: it tries to bend the law as much as it can while not totally breaking it |
| 08:14.00 | RichiH | is anyone else using sid and experiencing problems with shutting down machines, recently? |
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| 08:14.34 | nkuttler | RichiH: no, but starting x with the new kernel locked my box this morning.. and i had no pppoe |
| 08:14.35 | RichiH | when i exit kde to shut down, i land on tty1. pressing the power button once, or logging in and running init 0, shuts down normally |
| 08:14.51 | wols | RichiH: no I don't. but it's also now the proper place to ask anymore. and "problems shutting down" is pretty vague to be usefully answered |
| 08:15.07 | wols | sounds like a kde problem to me (which I don't run) |
| 08:15.18 | RichiH | wols: "place"? |
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| 08:15.26 | dutchfish | nkuttler, its udev, either downgrade or remove contents of /run on udev/unstable (it hoses up X and networking) |
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| 08:15.29 | wols | !sid |
| 08:15.29 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian, but in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 08:15.42 | RichiH | huh |
| 08:15.56 | RichiH | ubuntu-y |
| 08:15.56 | wols | RichiH: don't ask me why they moved sid support there. they just did. heck, they removed all the "barbie" factoids as I just noticed. *sniff* |
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| 08:16.50 | nkuttler | dutchfish: i guess i'll have a look, ty. old kernel works though |
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| 08:17.39 | dutchfish | nkuttler, running at 2.6.39 with latest udev, with workaround i just explained, some machines i needed to downgrade udev, that can work as well. |
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| 08:18.27 | dutchfish | nkuttler, some intel/lan mess up in 2.6.39 stable still for bleeding edge hardware (fyi) |
| 08:18.39 | nkuttler | it wasn't on .39 |
| 08:18.49 | dutchfish | ah ok |
| 08:19.11 | dutchfish | nkuttler, same udev problems on 2.6.38 as well in sid |
| 08:19.35 | dutchfish | nkuttler, testing is hosed as well |
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| 08:19.58 | wols | dutchfish: stop scaring me! |
| 08:20.45 | dutchfish | wols, that was not my intention, i merely summed up my expiriences and how i solved it. (at least as far as my non-native language reaches) |
| 08:21.40 | dutchfish | wols, and sorry for being offtopic |
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| 08:22.36 | dutchfish | but yes, testing and sid are curently in flux |
| 08:23.47 | albech | im trying to create a ssh tunnel to a machine behind a NAT firewall. Port 10044 is forwarded to the internal machines port 22 so i can ssh directly to the internal machine. I wish to create a tunnel from the external machine port 10873 to the internal 873. |
| 08:24.33 | albech | so i can rsync on the localhost to port 10873 and connect to the internal machines port 873 where the rsync server is running. |
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| 08:38.35 | santi | Hello! Does somebody know in which unit the ratios are set in pureftpd? Unfortunately I can't join their channel, so I thougt of asking here. Is the radio given in kbit/s or mbit/s? Thanks for your help :) |
| 08:39.12 | ansgar | santi: I suppose it is documented? |
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| 08:40.05 | santi | ansgar: I was searching through the docs but I can't find it with my bad English |
| 08:40.17 | nadar | morning |
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| 08:43.14 | santi | ansgar: I mistaked ratio for the bandwidth throtteling. No wonder that I don't found what I looked for. Thanks for your advice!! |
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| 08:48.56 | Gump | goddamnit. i just tried to recompile alsa using a script i downloaded, and now aplay -l returns "no soundscards found..." can anyone point me in the right direction to reinstalling alsa from scratch? |
| 08:49.27 | wols | Gump: how did you install your broken alsa? |
| 08:49.44 | wols | and why did you do such a stupid thing (compiling it from scratch)? |
| 08:49.47 | v_v | albech: try this: ssh -L 10873:127.0.0.1:873 username@remoteip -p10044 |
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| 08:50.36 | Gump | wols, i ran this script http://www.stchman.com/alsa_update.html |
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| 08:50.59 | Gump | and i did it because my audio out jack is not working, and it is a known bug in alsa that has not been fixed. i'm trying to find a way to fix it |
| 08:51.30 | wols | Gump: I hope this showed you how stupid it is to follow random howtos for different and most certainly very old distros |
| 08:51.42 | wols | Gump: have you tried what I told you? |
| 08:52.00 | Gump | wols, what was it? the page you linked me? yes, that fix no longer works |
| 08:52.33 | streuner | Have you tried OSS4 yet? |
| 08:52.45 | v_v | albech: ssh -qfnNT -L 10873:127.0.0.1:873 username@remoteip -p10044 #this one maybe better |
| 08:53.34 | Gump | streuner, no. i tried it while i was running ubuntu and it was a major clusterf***... i somehow got it working with alsa but i can't for the life of me remember how |
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| 08:54.57 | streuner | Gump: cat /proc/version |
| 08:56.06 | Gump | "Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-31) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Mar 7 21:35:22 UTC 2011" |
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| 08:57.34 | Gump | so, how would one go about completely removing alsa and reinstalling it from scratch? |
| 08:58.37 | streuner | Gump: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` && apt-get install oss4-dkms oss4-gtk |
| 08:59.06 | wols | Gump: since alsa is partially a ton of kernel modules, you will have to reinstall your kernel and all alsa packages. and pray that your great alsa install hasn't changed any config files. have fun |
| 08:59.21 | Gump | christ |
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| 08:59.59 | Gump | streuner, after running those lines, what will i need to do to configure it? just reboot? |
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| 09:01.02 | streuner | Gump: usually it compiles (dkms) the modules for your kernel, but i guess that are the snd-modules still loaded... |
| 09:01.18 | Quibus | hi all |
| 09:01.24 | Quibus | This is weird: |
| 09:01.25 | streuner | Gump: so yes, its just easy to reboot |
| 09:01.26 | Quibus | http://pastebin.com/Xazq4GQi |
| 09:01.31 | Quibus | Why did it fail the first time? |
| 09:01.40 | Quibus | Directly after that I tried again and it succeeded |
| 09:01.58 | streuner | Gump: no need to configure anything |
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| 09:03.01 | Quibus | Can someone explain? |
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| 09:04.48 | Gump | streuner, so best case scenario, sound will work after i reboot? |
| 09:05.23 | streuner | Gump: yes, just start after reboot ossxmix then |
| 09:05.39 | Gump | alright, brb |
| 09:05.54 | Bushmills | Quibus: you have some updater running, maybe a panel app which shows number of updated packages, which was running an update the moment you tried to run aptitude |
| 09:06.35 | Quibus | Bushmills: I guess it was that updater panel app indeed. |
| 09:06.44 | Quibus | it can run as root? |
| 09:07.01 | Bushmills | it can't do much update if it doesn't |
| 09:07.13 | Quibus | who gave permission to it? |
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| 09:07.24 | Bushmills | you've been asked once, i suppose |
| 09:07.28 | Quibus | nope |
| 09:07.36 | Quibus | well, or I don't remember |
| 09:07.38 | Bushmills | well, it wasn't me |
| 09:07.48 | Quibus | That I was convinced of |
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| 09:08.57 | Gump | streuner, my god. you're a goddamn hero. not only is my audio working again, but so is the audio out port |
| 09:09.00 | Gump | weeps with joy |
| 09:09.41 | Bushmills | no recompile from source again, for a reference |
| 09:09.43 | Bushmills | now |
| 09:09.52 | Gump | lool |
| 09:11.17 | Quibus | Bushmills: anyway, the annoying part is of course that the message is confusing |
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| 09:11.55 | Bushmills | the message takes a guess. it's not a complete diagnosis |
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| 09:13.10 | Bushmills | reading program error messages should always be done with an mind, open to interpretation |
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| 09:14.17 | Bushmills | two step. not "what does the message say" but "what could create a condition causing the program to say that" |
| 09:15.15 | Bushmills | after all, you're the creative mind. the program is just part of the machine. |
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| 09:23.28 | Gump | i just installed OSS4, and audio is now working, except in flash player. anyone got an idea why? |
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| 09:25.54 | streuner | Gump: http://www.opensound.com/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Applications_for_OSSv4#Adobe_Flash |
| 09:26.08 | Gump | ty |
| 09:26.29 | bman | nuh uhhh |
| 09:26.53 | Gump | i'm baman. i'm piderman. |
| 09:27.15 | bman | nice |
| 09:27.17 | bman | im high |
| 09:27.29 | bman | piderman piderman |
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| 09:28.01 | bman | spiderpig is pretty awesome too |
| 09:28.43 | Gump | dude i wish i was high |
| 09:28.52 | Gump | i'm trying to get a job, so drug tests, etc |
| 09:29.04 | bman | you know linux? |
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| 09:30.01 | Gump | bman, what? yeah, more or less |
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| 09:34.03 | sacredchao | Has anyone here used iKVM? My TYAN motherboard supports it, but I have no idea how to connect to it with client software, or if I need an add-in card in the OPMA slot even though my iKVM gets a DHCP lease at POST... |
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| 09:36.43 | wols | sacredchao: tried to nmap that dhcp lease? |
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| 09:37.06 | sacredchao | Have not though |
| 09:37.10 | sacredchao | Good idea |
| 09:37.54 | sacredchao | I am trying to figure out if my hosting provider needs to sell me an additional ethernet cable plugged into my machine for it |
| 09:38.31 | sacredchao | logic dictates that if I can have multiple Debian VMs with different IPv4 addresses on the same 1 physical NIC, then I can also access iKVM on its own unique IP on the same cable |
| 09:38.48 | sacredchao | Nor sure if my hosting company is just trying to upsell me on a 'feature' I don't need |
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| 09:44.41 | v_v | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:52.59 | badzo | hi |
| 09:54.31 | badzo | i cant boot after, probably, yesterdays debian update |
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| 09:54.55 | badzo | i got fsck message that it died with exit status 8 |
| 09:54.56 | wols | badzo: testing or sid? |
| 09:54.59 | badzo | sid |
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| 09:55.03 | wols | !sid |
| 09:55.03 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian, but in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 09:55.15 | wols | badzo: probably udev btw |
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| 09:55.37 | badzo | ok, i'll move to debian-next |
| 09:55.42 | brainsoft | hi, ive been hacked. I have huge apache access_log and I want to know if there is a way to check the files to know what type of attack i received |
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| 09:55.54 | brainsoft | without reading during years |
| 09:56.04 | wols | brainsoft: definitely not automatically |
| 09:56.18 | Bushmills | why would "being hacked" cause a huge apache access log= |
| 09:56.19 | Bushmills | ? |
| 09:56.44 | brainsoft | i just have huge access log because site got many visitors |
| 09:56.47 | wols | he didn't say that. he might just have a busy website normally and now a defaced one |
| 09:56.50 | brainsoft | not because the hack |
| 09:57.11 | nsadmin | right, and why would causing a huge apache access log not represent lots and lots of sales? |
| 09:57.17 | Bushmills | what are the indicators for "being hacked"? |
| 09:57.34 | brainsoft | i found the hackers using my server |
| 09:57.44 | wols | Bushmills: a "Bushmills was here" across your website's frontpage? |
| 09:57.56 | badzo | btw how do i join #debian-next? it says i need to be invited |
| 09:58.07 | Bushmills | "using" as in.... ? |
| 09:58.30 | wols | badzo: oftc? |
| 09:58.32 | nsadmin | badzo: try registering your nick (#freenode has more info about that) |
| 09:58.43 | badzo | okay, thanks |
| 09:58.53 | bman | did you know that potpies are not toaster over friendly anymore |
| 09:59.10 | nsadmin | my guess is some are, some aren't |
| 09:59.12 | wols | nsadmin: the channel is not on freenode.... |
| 09:59.20 | brainsoft | so I have to check manually that huge log to find the vulnerability? |
| 09:59.38 | wols | badzo: you need to go to oftc.net for #debian-next |
| 09:59.53 | nsadmin | oh, so policy on a separate net affects this one? |
| 10:00.13 | wols | nsadmin: what part of in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. is hard to understand? |
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| 10:00.28 | Bushmills | brainsoft: any decent cracker/intruder won't leave the intrusion path in the logs |
| 10:00.41 | Bushmills | though i don't know about "hackers" |
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| 10:01.05 | nsadmin | what part of my question still standing is elluding you |
| 10:01.42 | wols | considering oftc is "official" now... |
| 10:01.51 | Bushmills | i take a shot at "buggy php script" or "weak ssh/telnet password" |
| 10:01.56 | nsadmin | so someone on oftc decides to make a channel... and what, all #debians in the universe points at it? |
| 10:02.22 | nsadmin | if only oftc is official, why is this channel not named ##debian? |
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| 10:02.35 | wols | no. only the ones run by debian devs |
| 10:02.38 | Bushmills | you don't use telnet, i expect? |
| 10:02.53 | nsadmin | I don't use telnetd :) |
| 10:03.03 | nsadmin | I do use telnet |
| 10:04.29 | nsadmin | telnet my.daemon.host serviceport |
| 10:04.38 | nsadmin | just to see if it works properly' |
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| 10:06.44 | jarek | Hi |
| 10:06.57 | jarek | how long Debian 6 is going to be officially supported? |
| 10:07.13 | nsadmin | a year or so after next is release |
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| 10:07.18 | wols | approximately 1 year after the successor comes out |
| 10:07.30 | jarek | I'm looking for a distro that would NOT update me to Gnome3 as long as possible |
| 10:07.40 | jarek | Debian 7 is planned for 2013, right? |
| 10:07.49 | nsadmin | then stay with something :) |
| 10:07.57 | nsadmin | not planned |
| 10:07.58 | jarek | so I could use Gnome 2 on it with all bugfixes till 2014? Awesome |
| 10:08.08 | nsadmin | it will come out when it's ready |
| 10:08.08 | wols | there is no plan. but usually the next release is coming out 18-24 months after the last |
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| 10:08.39 | nsadmin | sometimes longer if things come in that are difficult to integrate |
| 10:08.58 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.31 | Bushmills | keyboard dropped ... |
| 10:10.29 | nsadmin | some examples, something involving dpkg or other packaging thingy updated or added and work is needed following that by maint of every package |
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| 10:11.17 | jarek | did you have any problems in running latest version of Google Chrome or Node.js on Debian 5? |
| 10:11.24 | nsadmin | gcc is probably easier, because packages can automatically get built to test... but parts of compilers could sometimes turn out difficult |
| 10:11.51 | jarek | I'm a bit afraid that by using stable debian release I won't be able to compile my favourit software :/ |
| 10:11.57 | nsadmin | upgrade of a scripting language used by packaging (bash, sh, perl are here at least) |
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| 10:12.18 | nsadmin | then what you should do |
| 10:12.30 | nsadmin | is try compiling your favorite software |
| 10:14.23 | jarek | nsadmin: it will probably compile now because Debian 6 was released just few months ago, but will it compile next year? |
| 10:14.26 | Trewas | the direction of gnome in general seems disappointing, they talk about defining whole "Gnome OS" and are considering dependency on systemd |
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| 10:15.11 | nsadmin | jarek: so, if you have the same toolchain today and one year from now, the same software will definitely compile |
| 10:15.47 | jarek | nsadmin: but next revision of Google Chrome might require e.g. newer version of gcc than that provided in Debian 6 |
| 10:16.07 | nsadmin | so, build new gcc in your homedir |
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| 10:16.41 | nsadmin | alternatively, compile chrome with the old compiler and try to find and fix the problems |
| 10:16.53 | jarek | I used to be using Debian Stable around 2004-2006 and compiling latest software on it was a PITA |
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| 10:19.18 | nsadmin | gcc is -very- well supported, and even a very old gcc can usually compile a very new one... aside from that, the process of compiling the compiler involves taking the compiler you -just- built and build -another- compiler with it (which means that second compiler was built with (essentially) itself) |
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| 10:20.43 | jarek | is full disk encryption in Debian as easy as in Fedora? |
| 10:20.56 | jarek | I mean, could it be done via some kind of graphical wizard? |
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| 10:21.48 | nsadmin | in order to ahswer that, I'd need to ask the off-topic question "how easy is it in fedora? on a scale of 1 to 98473?" |
| 10:22.24 | jarek | http://www.linuxbsdos.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/lmdelvm1-600x450.png |
| 10:22.53 | jarek | nice... nevermind the question, looks like it's as easy as on Fedora |
| 10:23.11 | nsadmin | you talking about on initial install? |
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| 10:23.49 | nsadmin | ooooooo! |
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| 10:26.54 | nsadmin | jarek, btw the earlier comments on gcc actually apply to other dists. having said that, what debian offers is a compiler collection which is very well integrated with tools and libs, and following the initial production of that toolchain, all packages are built using that compiler |
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| 10:27.50 | nsadmin | so anything you build with that compiler are pretty much guaranteed to link against pretty much everything |
| 10:28.10 | nsadmin | certainly anything you compile would be well-compatible |
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| 10:37.09 | jarek | is debian 6 still using system v init scripts? |
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| 10:37.58 | nsadmin | that's changing, it's using some kind of dependency thing now which I think is similar to upstart |
| 10:38.07 | wols | yes. with dependency based bootup |
| 10:39.00 | jarek | how is it called? it's not upstart or systemd? |
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| 10:41.33 | themill | !insserv |
| 10:41.34 | dpkg | insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>. |
| 10:42.37 | nsadmin | so insserv comes from lsb? |
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| 10:43.27 | superlinux | hi all. I'd love to start learning kernel theory and its programming. i need someone put me on a learning schedule: which book I should start with, the what's the next book, and so on. |
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| 10:43.59 | nsadmin | you can put yourself on a schedule |
| 10:44.18 | Gump | hey #debian, i am trying to get sound working in flash player with OSSv4. i tried aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound, and it says no candidate-version found. i have non-free added to my sources.list. any idea why it's not showing up? |
| 10:44.28 | nsadmin | but it sounds like what you want is a course |
| 10:46.06 | superlinux | nsadmin, correct. |
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| 10:46.52 | nsadmin | there -is- a book |
| 10:46.55 | nsadmin | it's called |
| 10:47.00 | nsadmin | the kernel source |
| 10:47.10 | superlinux | i am just confused with what book I should start with. anyways you may skip unversity bachelors level. I do have a masters degree. |
| 10:47.40 | nsadmin | you can start by looking at the very core kernel services |
| 10:47.50 | bman | linux system administrators guide by prentice hall |
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| 10:48.14 | superlinux | bman nop! you are off my target. |
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| 10:48.19 | nsadmin | bman, that wouldn't give him any kernel stuff |
| 10:48.25 | bman | nah |
| 10:48.29 | bman | heh |
| 10:48.30 | jarek | Is it possible to easily change GDM themes in Debian 6? |
| 10:48.35 | nsadmin | at least guessing from the title |
| 10:48.37 | bman | im mentioned in it |
| 10:48.46 | bman | ;) |
| 10:49.03 | jarek | Fedora 15 and Ubuntu 11.04 ship with GDM version that has greately reduced functionality, is this also the case in Debian? |
| 10:49.11 | nsadmin | he wants to go deep and dive into the stinky dumpster of the kernel itself |
| 10:49.12 | superlinux | I am looking for theory and programming practices. consider it unversity stuff, not technicians stuff |
| 10:49.29 | bman | yeah i was bullshiting |
| 10:49.33 | bman | :) |
| 10:49.36 | nsadmin | hmm, when you look at it that way it's not that tasty :) |
| 10:49.46 | superlinux | I know! |
| 10:49.58 | Gump | i was reading about a course that had you building operating systems from scratch. sounded cool |
| 10:50.02 | Gump | forget what it was called though |
| 10:50.08 | themill | jarek: squeeze has both gdm2 and gdm3 |
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| 10:50.24 | nsadmin | well there's the tannenbaum text on minix |
| 10:50.30 | nkuttler | superlinux: there's kernelnewbies that's probably more focused on the kernel itself than debian |
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| 10:51.06 | nsadmin | nkuttler, it's not clear he wants to focus on debian-specific kernels |
| 10:51.13 | superlinux | i just want to be put on the right track - no confusion at all. |
| 10:51.26 | nsadmin | so for that matter there is lkml |
| 10:51.27 | nkuttler | superlinux: they even have a channel @ oftc |
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| 10:52.28 | superlinux | "Linux Kernel Development (3rd Edition) " do you recommend me start with this title? |
| 10:53.31 | nsadmin | if you want to learn fast and brutal, submit patches to the core of the kernel to Linus :) |
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| 10:54.15 | nsadmin | find out why Linus refused to allow a debugger into the kernel |
| 10:54.26 | zarlan | Gump, do you mean The Elements of Computing Systems: Building a Modern Computer from First Principles by Noam Nisan & Shimon Schocken |
| 10:54.41 | superlinux | nsadmin, it will be slower of course. |
| 10:54.57 | nsadmin | yes, but that's not why |
| 10:55.14 | Gump | zarlan, possibly? yeah i think that was it |
| 10:55.36 | Gump | that's the one where you have to build all the hardware first, right? |
| 10:55.44 | zarlan | yeah |
| 10:55.57 | zarlan | and they walk you through writing a coding language for the os |
| 10:56.09 | Gump | yes, thats the one i was thinking of |
| 10:56.22 | zarlan | I picked it up but I'm not there yet and I don't have the free time - it's pretty intimidating looking |
| 10:56.31 | zarlan | did you use it? or just hear of it? |
| 10:56.46 | Gump | hah yeah. if i had a LOT of free time. i just heard of it, someone recommended it or something |
| 10:57.25 | superlinux | nsadmin, is it this book you told me about : http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Kernel-Source-Code-Secrets/dp/1573980269/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1305975390&sr=1-1 ? |
| 10:57.40 | nsadmin | the reason is, he felt it is better when a kernel hack is working on a particularly difficult problem to think about the problem, both offline and while they're sitting and staring at code |
| 10:58.06 | jarek | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:58.15 | jarek | woah, 52 CDs?! |
| 10:58.20 | nsadmin | superlinux:-no-, I mean something like: |
| 11:00.25 | nsadmin | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.39.tar.gz |
| 11:01.02 | superlinux | ah ok. so you want me to directly read code. |
| 11:01.26 | nsadmin | jarek, yeah, maybe. most likely you don't need a cd image, everything is on the mirrors |
| 11:01.29 | Gump | is there a version of flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound for amd64 systems? i can only find i386 |
| 11:01.44 | superlinux | I my self never knew where is the first line of code in a kernel. |
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| 11:02.04 | Gump | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound only lists i386 D: |
| 11:02.24 | jarek | nsadmin: yeah, but isn't it a bit silly that someone splits the installer into 52 isos? |
| 11:02.40 | nsadmin | that;s not the installer |
| 11:03.00 | nsadmin | that's the packages of the distribution and possibly also the source |
| 11:03.33 | nsadmin | the installer is very small compared to one cd |
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| 11:05.01 | Trewas | sad thing is that probably someone has even burned all those 52 CDs or the 8 DVDs |
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| 11:05.09 | wols | Gump: download the source and compile it |
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| 11:05.36 | nkuttler | Trewas: some people don't have internets |
| 11:05.59 | nsadmin | interfishnets? |
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| 11:07.31 | Trewas | if someone has the internets to download 52 CDs then he doesn't need them, it would be almost faster to write the software than to juggle those CDs to install them |
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| 11:08.36 | nkuttler | Trewas: i see. you're assuming CDs are stationary. |
| 11:08.54 | nsadmin | they're not; they spin really fast |
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| 11:09.56 | nkuttler | so do you |
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| 11:13.55 | project2501b | hey guys, is alioth down? |
| 11:13.57 | nsadmin | Trewas/nkuttler, all this has been discussed so much... yes the cd images are there, but they represent a load on the cdimage mirrors and package mirrors are more fully distributed, on fatter connections usually so it's generally more efficient to install packages by apt... having said all that, there are people who don't have access all the time, or it's measured, or only when they're (eg) at the coffeeshop, etc etc |
| 11:14.07 | wols | project2501b: yes. for hours now |
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| 11:14.24 | project2501b | AAARGGHHH |
| 11:14.29 | project2501b | it's the rapture, isn't it? |
| 11:14.36 | project2501b | WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIEEEEEE |
| 11:14.53 | project2501b | eats more feta cheese. |
| 11:14.55 | nsadmin | new discussion is not worth the slightest hostility |
| 11:15.00 | wols | the rapture takes away computer systems to heaven? it all makes sense now! |
| 11:15.12 | panosru | Hello, I'm on OSX and I use debian under VMWare as a local web server for web development purpose, could anyone help me on how to setup an email server on debian so I could access it through Mail.app from OSX? Thanks a lot in advance |
| 11:15.46 | project2501b | panosru: 1) den lene "thanks in advance" |
| 11:15.57 | project2501b | prwta rwtane thn erwthsh kai meta perimenoun |
| 11:16.19 | project2501b | 2) which MTA wold you like to use? |
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| 11:16.23 | nsadmin | if you are craving drama, watch days of lives, or bad girls club or read past flamewars :) |
| 11:16.28 | project2501b | 3) please keep it in the channel? |
| 11:17.34 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 11:17.35 | panosru | well I'm not sure, I think Dovecote should be ok wouldn't it? |
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| 11:18.03 | project2501b | dovecot is a pop3/imap server. not an MTA. |
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| 11:18.28 | nsadmin | panosru, wouldn't you just point mail.app at the IP of the debian guest? |
| 11:18.38 | declick2 | hi, how to get debian testing isos ? for net install |
| 11:18.43 | project2501b | he needs to setup the MTA |
| 11:18.54 | project2501b | !download |
| 11:18.54 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions, and ask me about <offline squeeze install>. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 11:19.29 | project2501b | ok. who killed alioth? |
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| 11:19.47 | panosru | well to be honest I don't know exactly what is needed, all I know is that I probably need an imap/pop server on Debian virtual machine in order for getting mails to work (am I correct?) |
| 11:20.36 | nsadmin | declick2, lots of stories lately about testing installers failing for one reason or another... if you have trouble, install the base of stable, reboot into it, then upgrade |
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| 11:21.19 | declick2 | okay thx u |
| 11:22.12 | wols | panosru: yes. install qpopper and you should be good to go for a pop3 client |
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| 11:23.54 | mah454 | How can i config ssh server for access ssh without scp or sftp ? |
| 11:23.56 | panosru | wols: ok I run apt-get install qpopper do I need anything else? I mean any type of configuration or stuff like that? |
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| 11:24.22 | nsadmin | mah454, you mean ssh only? |
| 11:24.28 | wols | no. by default your mta stores mails in /var/spool/mail/ and by default qpopper reads it from there |
| 11:24.41 | wols | mah454: ask in ONE channel. not ten. I already answered you |
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| 11:25.29 | mah454 | nsadmin yes ... |
| 11:25.34 | mah454 | wols OK ! |
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| 11:27.04 | panosru | wols: and if I want to access the emails from a client how can I do that since I haven't configured any user for that ? |
| 11:29.36 | wols | panosru: system users normally can log in. and of course tehy can also receive mails |
| 11:30.55 | nsadmin | panosru, if you're running qpopper in the debian, and you're running a properly configured mta, then the debian you have in vmware or whichever is dealing directly with your mail. you should be able to use a pop3 client in your macos |
| 11:31.05 | nsadmin | if it's reachable that is |
| 11:31.51 | panosru | nsadmin: ok, and how I know if I'm running a properly configured mta or even if I have mta installed? :) |
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| 11:32.16 | nsadmin | debian wants an mta to be installed |
| 11:32.20 | wols | panosru: debian installs exim always. you have to go out of your way not to have an MTA |
| 11:32.37 | nsadmin | it may or may not be configured properly, so first make sure of that |
| 11:32.49 | panosru | ok I see, but I think I tried to install Dovecote in the past and it removed exim, should I re-install it ? |
| 11:32.51 | wols | should be for local use in a VM |
| 11:33.10 | wols | panosru: then it installed some other MTA. you can reinstall exim or use this one |
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| 11:34.15 | nsadmin | once you think you have a configuration that could work, test it using a simple mail client (mutt, mailx) in the debian; make sure you can send, make sure you can receive |
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| 11:34.59 | panosru | I will follow this article: http://blog.edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/exim4_courier/exim4.html what do you think? |
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| 11:36.03 | nsadmin | panosru, on your debian, aptitude install mutt, fire up a terminal and run mutt inside it, compose and send an email |
| 11:36.10 | nsadmin | see if it's received |
| 11:36.24 | nsadmin | then you're half done with thesting |
| 11:36.33 | nsadmin | testing |
| 11:37.09 | nsadmin | receiving mail could be more challenging |
| 11:37.12 | wols | panosru: considering you need only local mail for your development environment, it's utterly total overkill and mostly useless |
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| 11:39.45 | poisonbit | panosru, sorry, maybe i'm latte to the conversation, note that URL guide, seems from 2004 (for the email headers in examples), if you need a exim4 configuration not covered by "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" maybe you're better looking first into /usr/share/doc/exim* in your host, than an old guide |
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| 11:41.12 | poisonbit | and the basic "man -k exim", because config files and formats, use to be documented in debian (most times) |
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| 11:43.51 | panosru | nsadmin: I install mutt and send an email but how can I know if it send properly ? where should I look ? |
| 11:44.14 | nsadmin | do you have a gmail or yahoo mail acct? |
| 11:44.23 | nsadmin | send to that |
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| 11:44.49 | nsadmin | or find somkeone you know on irc who's willing to give you their addr |
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| 11:45.27 | nsadmin | meet a chick :) |
| 11:45.46 | krisfremen | send it to yourself |
| 11:45.47 | poisonbit | also /var/log/exim4/mainlog should have a "Completed" after some information lines |
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| 11:47.16 | panosru | anyways I can't make it work :P |
| 11:47.20 | panosru | f*ck it |
| 11:47.23 | panosru | :) |
| 11:47.31 | panosru | Thanks for the help guys ;) |
| 11:47.38 | nsadmin | "can't" doesn't exist,,, |
| 11:47.51 | nsadmin | it's either: I don't know how, or I choose to not |
| 11:47.52 | panosru | ok then I don't know how to make it work ;) |
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| 11:49.24 | panosru | what I want to do is this: I am on OSX, I am a web developer and I want to make sure my mail scripts works fine. I use Debian under VMWare as my local webserver so I need an email server inside debian but to be able to access it with my email client on OSX to test emails |
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| 11:54.05 | Gump | hey #debian, is there a solution for the mute flashplayer with OSS for amd64 systems? i can only find flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound for 32bit |
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| 11:54.36 | Gump | i looked for a source to compile it but could only find an old version |
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| 11:56.23 | wols | Gump: where did you find the old version? |
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| 11:57.23 | wols | Gump: there is the source for the package in non-free. it's in contrib. http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
| 11:58.45 | Gump | wols, didn't see that one. i'll try it real quick |
| 11:59.00 | wols | Gump: install/download it via apt-get! |
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| 11:59.37 | Gump | wols, it's only available for i386 systems. no amd64 |
| 12:00.29 | wols | Gump: it's SOURCE. SOURCE. SOURCE! |
| 12:00.52 | Quibus | see you |
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| 12:00.56 | Gump | wols, right. why i downloaded the tar.gz lol |
| 12:00.57 | wols | install it with apt-get so you can create a deb from it and get the debian specific patches |
| 12:01.07 | nsadmin | of COURSE... of COURSE... |
| 12:01.29 | wols | Gump: right. which is why you never get it unless someone prechews for you what to do. good luck |
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| 12:01.59 | Gump | wols, well... i tried making that tar.gz and it returned a page and a half of errors D: |
| 12:02.10 | Gump | surely its possibly to get sound in flashplayer with OSS and amd64 |
| 12:02.21 | wols | yes it is, but I doubt it is for you |
| 12:02.29 | Gump | lolz |
| 12:02.36 | wols | Gump: learn how to use apt-get. hint: apt-get source |
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| 12:05.21 | nsadmin | is Gump using sarge or before? why apt-get (other than source)? |
| 12:06.11 | wols | nsadmin: squeeze. he needs a flashsound thingamajjig which apparently only exists in i386 non-free. but there is source with .c files available for it so I suggested to try and build it on amd64 |
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| 12:06.29 | wols | which he, as he's wont to do, spectacularly bungles. as usual |
| 12:06.38 | Gump | :D |
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| 12:12.32 | nsadmin | wols, probably the first thing I built on a sunos was gcc, and I had to read that INSTALL file |
| 12:13.10 | wols | well, we are not on sunos here but debian. and in debian we have a very clear and documented way how to compile shit from repositories |
| 12:13.12 | nsadmin | before that, I was like, look at this directory.,.. what the heck is ".tar.Z" |
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| 12:13.20 | wols | and no, getting a tar.gz isn't one of them |
| 12:14.09 | wols | it still might not work properly perhaps since it's only for i386 available as a binary, but it doesn't hurt to try. could be a simple oversight, since it's contrib/nonfree after all and obsucre |
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| 12:14.28 | nsadmin | so you're saying this is an unusual case? |
| 12:15.08 | wols | as I said: worth a try. but still you gotta do it the debian way if you want to enhance your chances of it working |
| 12:15.34 | wols | unless you get it from upstream, in which case you can bother THEM if it doesn't work(tm) |
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| 12:16.11 | I_Died_Once | hey, i'm trying to enable 'tapping' on my debian installed AspireOne Acer netbook... to no avail |
| 12:17.06 | nadar | what happened to http://mozilla.debian.net/? |
| 12:17.26 | nsadmin | what's tapping? when I google I get links about how tapping could make your life better or something |
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| 12:17.46 | I_Died_Once | when lol, no... tapping, as in with a touchpad on a laptop |
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| 12:17.51 | Gump | wols, when i try to make that source, it returns this: http://pastebin.com/3TyAKVHh mine taking a look? |
| 12:17.52 | wols | nadar: alioth is wonky today |
| 12:18.04 | nsadmin | oh... what kind of touchpad? |
| 12:18.17 | I_Died_Once | when i try to start an x serve, i get a fatal "fbcon module not found" |
| 12:18.22 | nadar | wols, was yesterday, too :( |
| 12:18.28 | I_Died_Once | its an elan |
| 12:18.50 | nsadmin | I dunno what elan is... there's synaptics which has a driver somewhere |
| 12:19.55 | I_Died_Once | yeah, i've followed a couple little tutorial s to the "T" and i'm getting errors about the fbcon module |
| 12:19.57 | wols | elan is a notebook, atom based but a bit bigger |
| 12:20.14 | I_Died_Once | its an Acer AspireOne |
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| 12:20.25 | I_Died_Once | elan in the touchpad manufactorer |
| 12:20.38 | I_Died_Once | the tutorials say to use the synaptics drivers, which i have |
| 12:21.04 | I_Died_Once | i can run an x server with no problem with no xorg.conf file |
| 12:21.16 | I_Died_Once | but when i specify any, it gives me the fbcon error |
| 12:21.30 | wols | I_Died_Once: try to run X as root for once |
| 12:21.33 | nsadmin | oh... so maybe you have to adjust either the driver source and rebuild (I certainly hope not) or a config file |
| 12:21.42 | I_Died_Once | i'm reading on a bug report it might be a conflight with the intel graphics driver |
| 12:21.49 | I_Died_Once | wols, will do, hold tight |
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| 12:22.31 | I_Died_Once | no go |
| 12:23.04 | I_Died_Once | ok, i'm not on the mahcine and a cannot copy and paste from it.... |
| 12:23.06 | nsadmin | show the log |
| 12:23.11 | nsadmin | err pastebin it |
| 12:23.32 | nsadmin | wait wait, you're not at the machine? |
| 12:24.04 | nsadmin | it's not on your net? |
| 12:24.15 | I_Died_Once | i'm on my home computer, the machine is also here with me |
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| 12:24.28 | I_Died_Once | its not connected to the net |
| 12:24.40 | nsadmin | can you connect it? |
| 12:25.05 | I_Died_Once | yeah... |
| 12:25.16 | nsadmin | if so you could either transfer the log file or install pastebinit |
| 12:25.29 | nsadmin | and just let it slurp up the log |
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| 12:26.02 | I_Died_Once | first, when i 'startx' i get a blank screen until i CTRL ALT F1 out of it and i see the errors... then i CTRL + C to get use of console back |
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| 12:26.13 | I_Died_Once | give me a minute and i can share the logs |
| 12:26.41 | nsadmin | the logs are at /var/log/X* |
| 12:26.43 | dhbiker | hello ... does anyone have compiz 0.9 + repo ? |
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| 12:27.01 | I_Died_Once | yeah i gotta get there |
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| 12:27.45 | nsadmin | just fyi for when you're ready |
| 12:28.00 | superlinux | can someone explain me what do they mean by "Linux is a preemptive kernel" ? |
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| 12:28.20 | I_Died_Once | ok, i got a couple of x logs.... |
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| 12:29.04 | I_Died_Once | xorg.0.log...... xorg.0.log.old.... xorg.1.log..... xorg.1.log.old |
| 12:29.09 | I_Died_Once | which one you want? |
| 12:29.35 | wols | the newest. xorg.0.log |
| 12:29.58 | nsadmin | preemptive multitasking is where one of many processes is running, then something switches to another process without the first process saying "ok, you can switch now" |
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| 12:30.44 | I_Died_Once | ok, i gotta manually do the link.... |
| 12:30.46 | superlinux | ah! so this way the kernel is always the king and the sultan. |
| 12:30.52 | nsadmin | cooperative multitasking is where the only way to run many processes is by having each processor voluntarrily give up control |
| 12:31.08 | superlinux | he's the dictator over all tasks. |
| 12:31.10 | nsadmin | sultan of swing? |
| 12:31.17 | superlinux | heh :) |
| 12:31.44 | wols | nsadmin: you realls show your age :P |
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| 12:31.49 | nsadmin | wait, I made wrong word |
| 12:31.51 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/Zu2tZRuh |
| 12:31.58 | superlinux | nsadmin, no! sultan of Oman and Brunei |
| 12:32.01 | I_Died_Once | dire straights were awesome |
| 12:32.09 | nsadmin | yeah, I had to play that song recently... bad experience |
| 12:32.09 | I_Died_Once | he's got a day time job, he's doing alright! |
| 12:32.24 | wols | I_Died_Once: keyword is "were" :( |
| 12:32.40 | nsadmin | cooperative multitasking is where the only way to run many processes is by having each process (not processor) voluntarrily give up control |
| 12:32.46 | I_Died_Once | i would never have know you cats talk musi in here |
| 12:32.54 | I_Died_Once | **music |
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| 12:33.35 | nsadmin | actually I went to a jam session tonite |
| 12:33.42 | nsadmin | pretty fun |
| 12:33.52 | I_Died_Once | what ya play? |
| 12:33.57 | I_Died_Once | i play the radio |
| 12:34.00 | I_Died_Once | and amarok! |
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| 12:34.04 | nsadmin | bass |
| 12:34.16 | kehoea | hello |
| 12:34.23 | I_Died_Once | the world needs more bass players |
| 12:34.28 | kehoea | what's the status of Alioth? |
| 12:34.41 | nsadmin | it's probably still down |
| 12:34.43 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/Zu2tZRuh heres that link, nsadmin |
| 12:34.56 | nsadmin | you got it up? |
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| 12:35.21 | nsadmin | so that's the /var/log/X* file |
| 12:35.21 | superlinux | nsadmin, thanks. you know this definition non of my professors did explain it as perfectly as you have |
| 12:35.23 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 12:35.39 | kehoea | more to the point, is there an ETA for it being available again? |
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| 12:35.49 | I_Died_Once | no dice, i started x without the configto be able to get the logs |
| 12:35.50 | nsadmin | !wir |
| 12:35.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 12:36.30 | kehoea | OK, note to self, consider hosting things somewhere else |
| 12:36.32 | kehoea | thanks |
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| 12:36.46 | I_Died_Once | that was pissy |
| 12:38.09 | I_Died_Once | this looks culpable... "Query no syanptics: 6003C8" |
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| 12:41.03 | babilen | I_Died_Once: What is your problem? |
| 12:41.17 | nsadmin | ok, so is alioth a known issue and scheduled to fix, or they're in chaos, what? |
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| 12:42.22 | cire | I now have a secondary screen for two computers. I use it in pivot mode (90 degrees rotated). It is used as my primary screen for my secondary computer. But this computer is a server. So: is it possible to rotate the output also in console mode? |
| 12:42.31 | I_Died_Once | babilen... non-story - trying to enable tapping on my touchpad... |
| 12:42.36 | babilen | nsadmin: It is a scheduled maintainance sprint this weekend. Downtime is to be expected. |
| 12:42.54 | babilen | I_Died_Once: That is easy, do you know how to go about it? |
| 12:43.41 | I_Died_Once | i read a couple of tutorials, followed them to the T... when i start an x server with an xorg.conf file, i get "fatal: fbcon module not found" |
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| 12:43.52 | I_Died_Once | x starts fine with no conf..... |
| 12:43.56 | nsadmin | oh, ok... so the project admins have been notified about the schedule |
| 12:44.10 | I_Died_Once | but tapping doesnt work |
| 12:44.34 | I_Died_Once | its an "elan" touchpad - AspireOne Acer netbook |
| 12:44.42 | I_Died_Once | got debian stable on it |
| 12:44.43 | babilen | I_Died_Once: Hmm, the general approach these days is to use device specific files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) -- You could create a 25-synaptics.conf there with a suitable input section |
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| 12:45.16 | babilen | s/synaptics/elan if you please (doesn't really matter) |
| 12:45.28 | nsadmin | I have a synaptics touchpad with a debian stable on the machine, and it's working |
| 12:45.34 | I_Died_Once | yeah, another thing, there is no '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d' folder on the system |
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| 12:45.49 | babilen | I_Died_Once: Just create it (please read the dpkg factoid) |
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| 12:47.43 | I_Died_Once | yeah, things that install normally with no problems for everyone else always hiccup for me |
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| 12:48.58 | Galok | Just installed Debain 6.0.1a. I didn't see the prompt for root password during installation. Can that be created via 'rescue' or do I have to reinstall? |
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| 12:49.35 | manchot | openvpn can't start Note: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such file or directory (errno=2) |
| 12:49.44 | manchot | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.24 | babilen | I_Died_Once: So, if you create that /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf file with a suitable InputDevice section you have problems to start X (with an otherwise empty xorg.conf) ? |
| 12:50.35 | babilen | s/empty/nonexistant |
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| 12:51.21 | I_Died_Once | i'm gonna try that |
| 12:51.22 | babilen | s:s/empty/nonexistant:s/empty/nonexistent: |
| 12:51.44 | babilen | I_Died_Once: Please do :) |
| 12:51.57 | I_Died_Once | i had x generate a conf file elsewhere on the system, was editing that to find somethign that worked... |
| 12:52.00 | babilen | I_Died_Once: If you want we can take a look at that file as well :) |
| 12:52.28 | babilen | I_Died_Once: Let X configure everything and only tweak specific aspects by creating device specific configuration files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 12:55.20 | I_Died_Once | does the number matter? i see one from an arch linux wiki with 10 instead of 25 as you suggested |
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| 12:56.04 | I_Died_Once | as in '10-synaptics.conf' or 25-synaptics.conf |
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| 12:56.51 | nadar | could someone have a look if somewhere else then in incoming a newer version of mp3splt shows up? |
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| 12:57.04 | babilen | I_Died_Once: It does not really matter, they are sorted alphanumerically and evaluated in the order of that sort |
| 12:57.05 | nadar | it seems i don't know the right places |
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| 12:58.41 | babilen | nadar: Nothing in incoming, 2.2.5-1 everywhere else ... |
| 12:59.15 | I_Died_Once | ok, that did not seem to work initially, rebooting the system |
| 13:01.19 | nadar | babilen, thanks. so i'll ask the maintainer kindly |
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| 13:01.38 | [KrusheR] | hi |
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| 13:02.10 | [KrusheR] | is there a solution for apc problem "[apc-warning] Unable to allocate memory for pool."¿ |
| 13:02.22 | babilen | nadar: Why do you think that the maintainer uploaded a new version? |
| 13:03.17 | nadar | a four week old request for newer version, containing a hint to a bug in the existing one |
| 13:03.24 | babilen | nadar: If you look at http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mp3splt.html you can see that a new version is waiting on mentors.debian.org |
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| 13:04.03 | nadar | that is what i talked about: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=622876 |
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| 13:04.54 | Galok | apologies for dumb question earlier. User bad memory problem. |
| 13:05.02 | babilen | nadar: You can file a wishlist bug against mp3splt and ask the maintainer to sponsor the package soonish. |
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| 13:05.26 | nadar | hm |
| 13:05.33 | nadar | what does that sponsoring mean? |
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| 13:05.53 | I_Died_Once | ...ok, the tapping works on the login username screeen in X where you choose which desktop environment you wants and username and pass... |
| 13:06.00 | I_Died_Once | but not in gnome or kde |
| 13:06.23 | babilen | nadar: Somebody uploaded a new version of that package to mentors and is waiting for a Debian Developer to upload it officially ash (s)he can not do it on her/his own |
| 13:07.03 | nadar | babilen, thanks for that information |
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| 13:10.26 | babilen | I_Died_Once: That is really strange, it might be that gnome-settings-daemon (and whatever KDE uses) is overruling your configuration. Can you play with the options in gnome-control-center â Pointing DEvices |
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| 13:12.00 | kalyplato | hello. Is ti possible to have installed and using both iceweasel and firefox ? |
| 13:12.33 | nsadmin | sure, but debian doesn't distribute firefox by that name |
| 13:12.50 | kalyplato | yeah sure, i know that |
| 13:12.51 | wols | sure, but why you'd want to? or are different icons that much of a problem? |
| 13:13.10 | I_Died_Once | yeah, extract the firefox.bz (whatever its called) file manually to /usr/lib/firefox |
| 13:13.19 | wols | kalyplato: however, mixing different versions of firefox/iceweasel probably will blow up unless you use different profiles for each |
| 13:13.29 | I_Died_Once | then manually change that folders permissions to user owned and you'll be straight |
| 13:13.33 | kalyplato | i use iceweasel, but i just need firefox for testing and localizing purposes. |
| 13:13.37 | wols | I_Died_Once: mozilla.debian.net |
| 13:13.56 | I_Died_Once | thats how someone in here told me a long time ago |
| 13:14.00 | I_Died_Once | tried and true |
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| 13:14.12 | babilen | kalyplato: why would you want to do that? |
| 13:14.15 | I_Died_Once | you can even update firefox itself from inside the promgram like that |
| 13:14.31 | kalyplato | wols, different profiles may be better |
| 13:14.44 | kalyplato | babilen, what do you mean? |
| 13:14.56 | wols | kalyplato: he means for your usage there is no point |
| 13:15.17 | wols | kalyplato: firefox and iceweasel are the same. except for the pretty pictures and name of the program |
| 13:15.26 | babilen | kalyplato: Why would you want to install both iceweasel and firefox at the same time? |
| 13:15.31 | wols | a different icon won't change how a program works |
| 13:15.43 | babilen | wols: thanks ;) |
| 13:16.05 | wols | babilen: can't have you get RSI |
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| 13:16.12 | kalyplato | ok understood. then can i have iceweasel in two different languages ? |
| 13:16.36 | babilen | wols: hehe :) |
| 13:16.54 | wols | kalyplato: only if you use two different profiles. same with firefox. unless you switch everytime manually |
| 13:17.28 | babilen | kalyplato: You mean you want it to be differently localised? (Chinese + Swahili for example) |
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| 13:17.34 | wols | kalyplato: I mean default languages for the web content displayed. again, choosing a different language for the iceweasel UI makes no sense |
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| 13:18.12 | babilen | brb |
| 13:18.19 | kalyplato | not for the web content. |
| 13:18.24 | kalyplato | just the program |
| 13:18.33 | kalyplato | i would like to have an iceweasel in english |
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| 13:18.44 | kalyplato | and an iceweasel in my native language |
| 13:19.15 | cahoot | can't one have different user profiles? |
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| 13:20.03 | nsadmin | why not make two users, one set up for your native language |
| 13:21.23 | kalyplato | nsadmin, you mean two users in debian or two different iceweasel profiles ? |
| 13:21.34 | babilen | or change LC_???? settings on the fly ... could even have two aliases/scripts that start iceweasel that way |
| 13:21.45 | nsadmin | try the profiles too, but I meant users |
| 13:22.25 | kalyplato | ok thank you all guys a lot. |
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| 13:22.43 | babilen | kalyplato: Which other language do you want? |
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| 13:22.54 | kalyplato | babilen, greek |
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| 13:24.00 | Mortvert | Hello o/ |
| 13:24.23 | babilen | kalyplato: Ok, just run "LC_ALL=el_GR.utf-8 iceweasel" to start one in greek and "LC_ALL=en_GB.utf-8 iceweasel" to start one in English (UK) |
| 13:24.28 | Mortvert | Are there any known issues with debian on laptop asus k52f? |
| 13:24.47 | Mortvert | Google ain't helping me finding that out. |
| 13:24.51 | kalyplato | babilen, thnx i ll try it. |
| 13:25.07 | babilen | kalyplato: Make sure that you have iceweasel-l10n-el installed for the greek localisation |
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| 13:27.41 | babilen | kalyplato: You can naturally omit the locale you've set by default :) |
| 13:27.54 | kalyplato | http://mozilla.debian.net/ is down ? |
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| 13:29.55 | cahoot | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
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| 13:33.18 | gnugr | kalyplato: http://wiki.debian.org/Mozilla |
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| 13:37.44 | IronWard | has anyone upgraded udev to 169-1? some devices are missing in /dev/ and /lib/udev/devices/ is empty |
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| 13:41.09 | babilen | kalyplato: alioth (on which mozilla.debian.net is hosted) is down at the moment due to a maintainence sprint |
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| 13:41.27 | kalyplato | ok babilen thnx again |
| 13:42.14 | babilen | kalyplato: You got the Greek and English localisation working? |
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| 13:42.54 | chattr | IronWard: might be better to ask in #debina-next (read the /topic there first) |
| 13:43.07 | chattr | or #debian-next, even |
| 13:43.11 | kalyplato | babilen, i am working on it. i think it will be fine. :) |
| 13:43.15 | IronWard | chattr, already saw an answer. thank you!! |
| 13:43.19 | chattr | yw |
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| 13:45.55 | ZeroEnna | Hi @ all. I upgraded fromm lenny to squeeze a few days ago, and Now I learned that instead of getting PHP Error messages, I only get a blank page, and that's it. However in the php.ini, E_ALL is turned on. Can somebody help me? Is there another php.ini somewhere that I don't find? |
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| 13:46.52 | maxvagabond | Good afternoon. |
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| 13:48.15 | maxvagabond | I have a question. If my mouse is mounted on something like /dev/mouse (for example). Would I then be able to have a program pipe digital information into /dev/mouse to make my cursor move around the screen? |
| 13:48.59 | Rienzilla | euhm |
| 13:49.16 | maxvagabond | Kind of like a device driver I guess. |
| 13:49.28 | Rienzilla | sending information into /dev/mouse would not result in a cursor moving |
| 13:49.44 | wols | ZeroEnna: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini should be the one. find / -name php* |grep ini should give you all php*.ini files on the system |
| 13:49.44 | maxvagabond | I'd need to aim it somewhere else? |
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| 13:50.11 | Rienzilla | well, I guess /dev/mouse is a characterdevice, from which the application that moves the mouse reads data |
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| 13:50.13 | maxvagabond | find out where the output of /dev/mouse was going. point it there. |
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| 13:53.04 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 13:53.15 | Nebukadneza | is there a way to tell fsck for ext* (4, in this case) to ignore the journal? |
| 13:53.29 | wols | Nebukadneza: what would be the point? |
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| 13:54.03 | Nebukadneza | i have a damaged filesystem and i suspect a large portion of the errors coming from a broken journal |
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| 13:56.38 | nkuttler | Nebukadneza: well... you can use tune2fs to disable the journal... but i'd guess the fs has to be intact to do that |
| 13:57.04 | Nebukadneza | mh, i'd also prefer not to write to that disk (too large to make a backup so i'm trying only safe operations atm :(( ) |
| 13:57.36 | Nebukadneza | and why can sleuthkit tools not read a alternative superblock for ext? Oo ;/ |
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| 13:59.58 | nkuttler | fsck isn't exactly read-only either |
| 14:00.19 | Nebukadneza | you can tell it to... |
| 14:00.46 | Miesco | nvidia website says I need |
| 14:00.49 | Miesco | 270.41.19 |
| 14:01.00 | Miesco | I am running squeeze |
| 14:01.04 | nkuttler | Nebukadneza: then just boot a kernel that doesn't know ext3+ext4.. |
| 14:01.10 | Miesco | !versions nvidia-glx |
| 14:01.20 | Miesco | What backport do I need? |
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| 14:02.26 | Nebukadneza | nkuttler: uh, what for? |
| 14:02.38 | gnugr | !tell Miesco -about nvidia |
| 14:02.40 | wols | !tell Miesco about simple sid backport |
| 14:02.57 | wols | !tell Miesco about simple sid backport |
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| 14:05.17 | Wyzard | Miesco: That's (slightly) newer than what's in sid |
| 14:05.22 | Wyzard | Miesco: Why do you need that specific version? |
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| 14:06.36 | wols | Wyzard: gf 560ti |
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| 14:08.13 | Wyzard | Was it just released today or something, that it doesn't work with anything older than the very latest driver? |
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| 14:09.49 | wols | Wyzard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_500_Series and now check when squeeze was frozen |
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| 14:11.18 | Wyzard | It makes sense that it needs a newer driver than squeeze has |
| 14:11.47 | wols | yep, which is why he needs to do a backport :( |
| 14:11.53 | digdilem__ | has anyone got any ideas for making backup-manager work under sid? perl 5.12 removed perl-suid which it depends on and it's a broken package |
| 14:11.59 | digdilem__ | sorry, squeeze, not sid |
| 14:12.11 | Wyzard | but 270.41.19 is ahead of sid too -- sid has 270.41.06 |
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| 14:12.38 | Wyzard | so I'm questioning whether 270.41.19 is really the minimum required version |
| 14:12.52 | wols | Wyzard: nvidia simply always hands you the newest, most shiny driver. it's suggestions are for /dev/null |
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| 14:13.03 | Wyzard | That's what I figured |
| 14:13.08 | nkuttler | digdilem__: install the older perl again.. |
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| 14:13.31 | wols | of course there could be a few bug fixes or such in this newer nvidia driver, but not really a newer supported card or such |
| 14:13.32 | digdilem__ | nkuttler, alas, not so easy on this machine. it's got the world running on it |
| 14:13.51 | nkuttler | i see. an important machine running sid. |
| 14:13.56 | digdilem__ | squeeze |
| 14:13.57 | wols | digdilem__: downgrading perl is rarely if ever an option in debian |
| 14:14.11 | wols | nkuttler: ^^ |
| 14:14.22 | digdilem__ | i did try it, but many many things broke |
| 14:14.36 | nkuttler | wols: i'm aware of that. he asked for any idea |
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| 14:14.45 | rizzeh | where is apt preferences file in squeeze? I only see preferences.d empty dir |
| 14:15.00 | wols | rizzeh: that's it. just add your preferences |
| 14:15.09 | digdilem__ | i can move backup-manager to another server which is still at 5.10 and freeze it, but didn't really want to. |
| 14:15.29 | rizzeh | wols: where , in apt or preferences.d folder? |
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| 14:15.52 | wols | rizzeh: in the folder |
| 14:16.02 | rizzeh | oki, thank you |
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| 14:16.36 | Miesco | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.24/README/supportedchips.html |
| 14:16.39 | Miesco | Mines not there |
| 14:16.49 | Miesco | Wyzard: Sorry. Nvidia website says thats what I should get |
| 14:18.01 | Wyzard | Miesco: As wols said, nvidia's website doesn't actually tell you the minimum required version, it just tells you to get the latest version |
| 14:18.16 | Miesco | k |
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| 14:18.38 | Wyzard | Miesco: You'll want to get a newer driver version... if backports.org doesn't have one, I'd suggest you try the one from testing |
| 14:18.53 | Wyzard | and if that doesn't work, then the one from sid (though it looks like testing and sid currently have the same version anyway) |
| 14:19.41 | _ARMA_ | there is a Makefile.in and Makefile.am in the folder and make command doesn't work. |
| 14:19.51 | _ARMA_ | ./configure command worked well. |
| 14:20.06 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: ./configure should've produced a Makefile |
| 14:20.17 | _ARMA_ | this error when make command prompted: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
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| 14:21.02 | _ARMA_ | Wyzard: in the same folder? |
| 14:21.12 | Wyzard | yes |
| 14:21.16 | Miesco | Wyzard: How do I find out the minimum driver version I need? |
| 14:21.25 | _ARMA_ | there are only Makefile.in and Makefile.am there. |
| 14:21.33 | _ARMA_ | and both doesn't work with make command. |
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| 14:21.48 | roe | Anyone have any suggestions for simple yet good video editing software? I need to do things like: rotate and cut portions out |
| 14:22.09 | Wyzard | Miesco: You could look through the release notes for each version... other than that, I don't know |
| 14:22.26 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: Makefile.in is a template that ./configure uses to produce a Makefile |
| 14:22.32 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: or at least, that's how it's supposed to work |
| 14:22.51 | _ARMA_ | but why am I getting "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." error with make cmd.. |
| 14:23.03 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: because you have no Makefile |
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| 14:23.22 | _ARMA_ | but Makefile.in is there, which you say what make cmd needs. |
| 14:23.33 | Wyzard | No, make doesn't use Makefile.in |
| 14:23.40 | Wyzard | configure uses Makefile.in, and produces Makefile |
| 14:23.44 | Miesco | okay |
| 14:23.51 | _ARMA_ | heh. |
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| 14:24.45 | _ARMA_ | Wyzard: please look here: http://paste.debian.net/117544/ |
| 14:24.57 | _ARMA_ | this is after when ./configure |
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| 14:25.15 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: "configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables" |
| 14:25.26 | Wyzard | The configure script failed; that's why it didn't produce a Makefile |
| 14:25.34 | _ARMA_ | what should I do to fix it? |
| 14:25.46 | _ARMA_ | I'm trying to install Code::Blocks for C/C++ |
| 14:25.52 | Wyzard | That error usually means you don't have a C++ compiler installed |
| 14:25.56 | Wyzard | apt-get install build-essential |
| 14:26.01 | _ARMA_ | ok. |
| 14:26.03 | wols | _ARMA_: as stew told you before, install build-essential |
| 14:26.50 | Wyzard | btw, Code::Blocks is packaged in testing, though it's not in squeeze |
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| 14:28.47 | _ARMA_ | Wyzard: E: Invalid operation build-essential |
| 14:28.48 | Miesco | It says that this one supports gtx 570 and 580, does that imply 560? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-260.19.36-driver.html |
| 14:29.00 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: Did you forget the word "install"? |
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| 14:30.02 | _ARMA_ | Wyzard: I tried to install Eclipse Helios, but couldn't run it. so, I'm trying to install Code::Blocks now. |
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| 14:30.13 | _ARMA_ | Wyzard: now build-essential works. :) |
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| 14:30.27 | Miesco | |
| 14:30.28 | Miesco | 270.41.06 |
| 14:30.33 | Miesco | I need that one wyzard |
| 14:30.59 | Wyzard | Miesco: Probably, but to be sure, see if you can look up the actual GPU (e.g. G80, G90) since that's what the driver really supports |
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| 14:31.11 | Wyzard | Miesco: 270.41.06 is what's packaged in testing and unstable |
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| 14:31.42 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: What didn't work about Eclipse? |
| 14:32.05 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: It ought to work if you have sun-java6-jdk installed... I haven't tried it with other JVMs |
| 14:32.10 | _ARMA_ | I couldn't build the project, so couldn't run. |
| 14:32.21 | Wyzard | Why were you trying to compile Eclipse? |
| 14:32.29 | _ARMA_ | no, not for Java. |
| 14:32.43 | _ARMA_ | I've only downloaded Eclipse Helios, which is for C/C++ |
| 14:33.28 | stenno | good day, i have a strange problem with my debian unstable - if i boot and come to the login screen, it stays for a couple of seconds, then goes black. i can go into the single user mode, and it works ... but as soon as the login splash screen is displayed, it goes black(back lights), and none of the keyboard shortcuts like ctrl+alt+del or alt+F* works |
| 14:33.35 | Wyzard | Helios is just name for a certain version number, 3.6 I think |
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| 14:33.47 | Wyzard | Eclipse itself is written in Java, but it has plugins for other languages like C/C++ |
| 14:34.28 | Wyzard | eclipse.org has a download for C/C++ developers, which is just the Eclipse core bundled with the C/C++ development tools |
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| 14:34.34 | Wyzard | but you don't have to compile anything to use it |
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| 14:34.50 | wols | !tell stenno about sid |
| 14:35.28 | _ARMA_ | It works fine Wyzard, but when I create a project, it's not producing executable files, so cannot run. |
| 14:35.34 | _ARMA_ | build-essential is done. |
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| 14:35.46 | Wyzard | That's because you didn't have a compiler installed |
| 14:35.53 | wols | _ARMA_: why couldn't you backport C::B from testing? |
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| 14:36.07 | Wyzard | Eclipse CDT (the C/C++ development toolset) doesn't contain a C++ compiler, it uses the one already present on your system |
| 14:36.09 | stenno | wols, i see :) let me ask there |
| 14:36.15 | b44 | how to configure that pressing "down-cursor" doesn't have a timeout to take action ?? |
| 14:36.24 | stenno | maybe i should just switch back to stable |
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| 14:36.28 | _ARMA_ | wols how to do it if you can help? |
| 14:36.33 | _ARMA_ | I'm new.. |
| 14:36.52 | Wyzard | wols: He wouldn't need to use C::B at all if he'd just installed a compiler for Eclipse to use |
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| 14:38.00 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: You just installed a C++ compiler now via build-essential, which means you didn't have one before... Eclipse wasn't broken, it was failing to compile your code because you didn't have a compiler |
| 14:38.12 | raboof | i'm trying to communicate with my phone over bluetooth. it's not working because i don't have a passkey agent running. |
| 14:38.48 | raboof | i used to use 'passkey-agent' for this, but that doesn't appear to be available anymore. what's the alternative? |
| 14:38.55 | _ARMA_ | Wyzard: ok, I'll try again with Eclipse. |
| 14:39.04 | _ARMA_ | I didn't know that I don't have a compiler. :) |
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| 14:40.27 | _ARMA_ | :) |
| 14:40.33 | wols | raboof: can you install that passkey thing from lenny? tho I never needed such a thing for bluetooth (but I used lenny as well, with gnome) |
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| 14:40.35 | _ARMA_ | it seems pretty fine. |
| 14:40.40 | _ARMA_ | wols and Wyzard, thanks! |
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| 14:41.32 | wols | _ARMA_: Wyzard did the work, not me |
| 14:42.09 | Miesco | Wyzard: Okay so I need a sid backport? |
| 14:42.17 | raboof | ah, there's /usr/share/doc/bluez/examples/simple-agent |
| 14:42.27 | wols | Miesco: a testing backport. pretty much the same tho |
| 14:42.33 | wols | Miesco: dpkg already told you about it |
| 14:42.37 | Miesco | kk |
| 14:42.55 | Wyzard | Miesco: In general, I'd recommend a testing backport before a sid backport, but in this case it's the same version either way |
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| 14:44.49 | Miesco | okay |
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| 14:46.42 | Miesco | What is the deb-src repository? |
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| 14:48.42 | Wyzard | A deb-src line in your sources.list tells apt where to get source packages from |
| 14:49.04 | Miesco | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 14:49.09 | Wyzard | It's basically the same as a normal "deb" line, except it begins with "deb-src" instead |
| 14:49.10 | Miesco | I added that. Is that correct? |
| 14:49.14 | Wyzard | looks right |
| 14:49.53 | Miesco | Wyzard: If I do aptitude update, will packages from wheezy now be listed? |
| 14:50.13 | Wyzard | yes |
| 14:50.44 | Wyzard | It'd be a good idea to set up apt pinning to make apt prefer squeeze even when a newer version of a package is available |
| 14:51.03 | Wyzard | Otherwise, make sure you remove that line before you do any apt upgrades :-) |
| 14:51.43 | wols | Wyzard: it's a deb-src line. how would it interfere? |
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| 14:51.58 | Wyzard | oh, nevermind, it's not a problem if it's just a deb-src line |
| 14:52.00 | wols | unless you constantly compile squeeze packages |
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| 14:52.20 | Wyzard | (I always keep my deb and deb-src lines in pairs so I tend to forget that you can have one without the other :-) |
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| 14:54.49 | wols | b44: we don't support ubuntu here |
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| 14:55.11 | Miesco | What exactly is squeeze-backports? |
| 14:55.18 | Miesco | Packages from testing? |
| 14:55.29 | wols | Miesco: precompiled backports from testing, compiled for squeeze, yes |
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| 14:57.22 | Miesco | wols: So wouldn't nvidia-glx 270.41.06 be in squeeze-backports? |
| 14:57.42 | wols | Miesco: only if someone had already made that backport. and I doubt they did |
| 14:57.48 | Miesco | oh I see |
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| 14:58.03 | Miesco | m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
| 14:58.09 | Miesco | wols: That wont work for me, will it |
| 14:58.25 | wols | no. cause there is no deb to autoinstall |
| 14:58.48 | Miesco | k |
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| 14:59.46 | Wyzard | m-a auto-install isn't for installing packages from the repository, it's for building packages locally and installing those |
| 15:00.50 | Miesco | aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; |
| 15:01.22 | Miesco | packagename = nvidia-glx? |
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| 15:02.31 | Miesco | and the kernel modules I can get from squeeze |
| 15:03.20 | Wyzard | No, the newer nvidia-glx won't work with the squeeze version of the kernel module |
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| 15:03.24 | Wyzard | They have to be the same version |
| 15:03.42 | b44 | How to change "keyboard repeat delay" with terminal in debian ?? |
| 15:04.03 | Miesco | apt-get -b testing nvidia-glx |
| 15:04.17 | Miesco | Wyzard: I need testing nvidia-kernel-common also? |
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| 15:05.10 | Wyzard | That seems to just be config files and no actual code, so maybe not, but I'd do it anyway just to be safe |
| 15:05.22 | Wyzard | Maybe the format of one of the files has changed or something |
| 15:05.26 | Miesco | k |
| 15:05.45 | Miesco | E: Invalid operation testing |
| 15:05.54 | Miesco | when I do apt-get -b testing nvidia-glx |
| 15:06.03 | wols | I usually use apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 15:06.12 | wols | then dpkg-buildpackage that and I'm done |
| 15:06.54 | Miesco | Well thats easy |
| 15:07.11 | wols | well, done is not exactly right. then I have the .debs to install |
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| 15:11.12 | Miesco | wols: http://paste.debian.net/117548/ |
| 15:11.49 | wols | Miesco: you need to enter the direcotory the source was unpacked in... |
| 15:11.57 | wols | and that's not your ~ |
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| 15:16.54 | Miesco | wols: Usage: dpkg-buildpackage [<options> ...] |
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| 15:18.09 | wols | Miesco: yes I can run "dpkg-buildpackage" too |
| 15:18.21 | Miesco | wols: I'm confused |
| 15:18.31 | wols | Miesco: there is a nvidia directory there, made by the apt-get source call. enter it. THERE run dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 15:18.53 | Miesco | cd to it? |
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| 15:19.00 | Miesco | oh |
| 15:19.01 | Miesco | shit |
| 15:19.02 | Miesco | kk |
| 15:19.27 | Miesco | thanks |
| 15:19.53 | Miesco | wols: So this will give me kernel, X drivers, and libraries? |
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| 15:20.17 | wols | yes. you get the same files as in the normal debian squeeze repo, just with the version numbers you need |
| 15:21.19 | Miesco | wols: So just do, dpkg --instal *.deb? |
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| 15:22.56 | Miesco | wols: http://paste.debian.net/117549/ |
| 15:25.17 | wols | Miesco: why don't you find out where you might be able to get the missing packages from? |
| 15:25.26 | wols | ,versions nvidia-common |
| 15:25.27 | judd | Package nvidia-common on i386 -- sid/contrib: 20110426+1; wheezy/contrib: 20110426+1 |
| 15:25.31 | wols | ,versions nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 15:25.32 | judd | Package nvidia-installer-cleanup on i386 -- sid/contrib: 20110515+1 |
| 15:26.30 | Miesco | k |
| 15:26.34 | wols | Miesco: and miraculously the dependencies are very very small to non existent, which means you can easily direclty install them from testing or sid |
| 15:26.51 | wols | but by downloading form pdo and installing via dpkg. better not edit sources.list for them |
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| 15:29.57 | Brekkjern | Hello! I am having issues installing Debian from an ODD. When I get to the step where the installer searches for CD-ROM drives, it fails. I am a newbie at this, but I tried mounting the CD drive and I am unsure if I am doing it right. Can anyone help me? |
| 15:30.29 | wols | Brekkjern: ODD? |
| 15:30.36 | Brekkjern | Optical Disk Drive |
| 15:30.40 | wols | Brekkjern: are you trying to use the testing images? |
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| 15:30.51 | Brekkjern | No. Downloaded directly from the webpage |
| 15:31.00 | wols | what exactly did you download? |
| 15:31.16 | Brekkjern | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 15:31.50 | wols | that one should always work :( try to mount it at /cdrom |
| 15:32.09 | Brekkjern | So, mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /cdrom ? |
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| 15:33.15 | wols | yes. I think /cdrom is the proper mountpoint |
| 15:33.27 | wols | the idea being that when it's already mounted it doesn't try to. hopefully |
| 15:34.24 | Brekkjern | When I did that, I got "mounting /dev/cdrom on /cdrom failed: Invalid argument" |
| 15:35.07 | wols | not sure if it's /dev/cdrom. could be /dev/sr0 or such |
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| 15:35.43 | Brekkjern | I have tried some of them |
| 15:36.00 | wols | Brekkjern: what ide controller is this? jmicron or such? |
| 15:36.15 | Brekkjern | Unsure. I can restart and take a look? |
| 15:36.39 | wols | Brekkjern: a few days ago, someone said he had to switch his optical drive since debian wouldn't recognize it, a lite-on. didn't believe it myself but he said so. other drive worked. |
| 15:36.44 | wols | maybe it's that |
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| 15:37.20 | wols | Miesco: did installing work now? |
| 15:37.29 | Brekkjern | I have been thinking of that. |
| 15:37.44 | Brekkjern | However, the installer is running from the same drive :S |
| 15:38.16 | wols | Brekkjern: I know, but he had the same problem for some reason |
| 15:38.34 | wols | Brekkjern: check dmesg if any optical drive was recognized. it then also tells you the /dev node it uses |
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| 15:38.54 | Brekkjern | What should I be looking for? |
| 15:39.23 | wols | output for your optical drive. the kernel recognizes it and assigns it a /dev/ inode |
| 15:39.45 | wols | and dmesg tells you which or tells you by its absence when not |
| 15:40.51 | Brekkjern | "dcrom-detect: CD-ROM mount failed: device=/dev/sr0 fstype=iso9660" |
| 15:41.01 | Brekkjern | Seems to be it |
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| 15:44.00 | Brekkjern | I tried mounting it now. "mount -t auto /dev/sr0 /cdrom" and I get the same "Invalid argument" |
| 15:44.10 | Brekkjern | I probably need a new drive to do this from then... |
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| 15:45.02 | Brekkjern | ls -l |
| 15:45.05 | Brekkjern | Bah |
| 15:45.12 | Brekkjern | Forgot to move the keyboard over... |
| 15:45.22 | wols | Brekkjern: no usb stick handy? |
| 15:45.34 | Brekkjern | I have 2 |
| 15:45.42 | wols | alternatively: run a live cd (if it works...) and use debootstrap to install |
| 15:45.54 | wols | Brekkjern: most hardware nowadays can boot frm usb sticks |
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| 15:48.51 | Brekkjern | I don't really want a desktop with it so would this be apropriate? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/amd64/usb-hdd/debian-live-6.0.1-amd64-standard.img |
| 15:49.40 | wols | Brekkjern: what do you want then? this link is a live cd, yes |
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| 15:50.03 | Brekkjern | I am setting this up as a storage "server" |
| 15:50.05 | Nebukadneza | reheho |
| 15:50.30 | Nebukadneza | does anyone know whether||how i can specify the location of the superblock for the sleuthkit tools? |
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| 15:50.52 | wols | Brekkjern: debian doesn't make a distiction between them. it's all the same installer and such for debian. it only depends what you, the user, installs |
| 15:51.26 | Brekkjern | Thanks! I'll give it a shot :D |
| 15:52.15 | Nebukadneza | also, what does this fsck output tell you ... http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?328 ? it seems to list the files (directory/file count seems right), but the inodes used / blocks used (1.5%?!?) seem totally wrong |
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| 15:52.27 | Nebukadneza | if i'd actually fsck it, what do you think would most likely happen? |
| 15:53.22 | wols | Nebukadneza: always make a backup first |
| 15:53.27 | Nebukadneza | wols: i know |
| 15:53.45 | Nebukadneza | it's a bit hard with that size, but i'm currently trying to get the required space |
| 15:53.45 | wols | then you can do a fsck without worry |
| 15:54.23 | Wyzard | Nebukadneza: Only 11 inodes used? That seems unlikely to be correct. |
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| 15:54.52 | Nebukadneza | yeah ;/ but file cound seems okay |
| 15:54.57 | Nebukadneza | i dunno about the non-cont inodes ;/ |
| 15:55.00 | wols | especially with tens of thousands of files :) |
| 15:55.13 | Wyzard | Inodes *are* files |
| 15:55.30 | Wyzard | So are directories |
| 15:55.38 | Wyzard | You can't have fewer inodes used than the sum of existing files and directories |
| 15:55.56 | Nebukadneza | appearantly fsck thinks i can |
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| 15:56.58 | Wyzard | The only explanation I can think of for that is that you have thousands of hardlinks to the same handful of files and directories |
| 15:57.06 | Nebukadneza | mh |
| 15:57.20 | Nebukadneza | that was - at least before the data destroying event (whatever it was) - not the case |
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| 15:57.40 | Wyzard | I don't know whether fsck's count of "file" actually represents non-directory inodes, or directory entries that point to non-directory inodes |
| 15:57.49 | Wyzard | If the latter, the hardlinks explanation is plausible; if the former, I have no idea |
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| 15:58.30 | Eugeny | http://mapping.ax3.net/ |
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| 15:59.07 | Wyzard | That reminds me, is there a way to determine the locations of the backup superblocks on an existing filesystem? |
| 15:59.41 | Wyzard | The info must be stored somewhere, since the filesystem driver has to know where they are in case they need to be updated, but I don't know of anything that displays the list of them besides mkfs itself |
| 15:59.42 | karlpinc | Wyzard: Probably tune2fs -l. |
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| 15:59.54 | Nebukadneza | Wyzard: only more or less, what most people do is a mkfs -n |
| 15:59.56 | jargon- | how do i move subfolders in icedove? |
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| 16:00.17 | Wyzard | karlpinc: nope, though I should look through tune2fs' other options |
| 16:00.35 | lapsusbrutus | !skype |
| 16:00.35 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 16:01.11 | cosmos2 | Hello |
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| 16:01.15 | Wyzard | Nebukadneza: I've done that once but it seems risky: if defaults have changed or something, the algorithm might produce a different list of block numbers for the new filesystem than were actually used when creating the old one |
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| 16:01.24 | Nebukadneza | Wyzard: yeah |
| 16:01.33 | Nebukadneza | maybe testdisk or something could scan for the block? |
| 16:01.35 | cosmos2 | I,ve deleted gnome (all gnome files with Synaptic) and installed Fluxbox. |
| 16:01.56 | cosmos2 | Now I have a new problem: no more sound |
| 16:02.08 | cosmos2 | even with alsamixer levels |
| 16:02.14 | Wyzard | I wrote them down on paper last time I rebuilt my filesystem, but I'd like to know of a good way to do that without having to rebuild the filesystem |
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| 16:02.41 | cahoot | cosmos2: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one i e card0? |
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| 16:04.21 | cosmos2 | cahoot: yes |
| 16:04.37 | Wyzard | ah, dumpe2fs shows them |
| 16:04.50 | cahoot | cosmos2: run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 to make sure it's unmuted |
| 16:04.55 | cosmos2 | ok wait...I heard a sound right now |
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| 16:05.15 | cosmos2 | at least on xchat |
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| 16:05.36 | cahoot | cosmos2: speaker-test -t wav -c2 to test sound |
| 16:06.24 | cosmos2 | I get a: |
| 16:06.32 | lapsusbrutus | cosmos2: also check if someting is accidentally muted in alsamixer. m button to mute/unmute :) |
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| 16:07.20 | cosmos2 | ALSA lib pcm_dmx.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 16:07.40 | cosmos2 | Playback open error: -16, Device or ressource busy |
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| 16:08.06 | cahoot | cosmos2: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 16:09.44 | cosmos2 | cahoot: ok I see I had pd-extended running in the same time |
| 16:10.22 | cahoot | no idea what that is but seems not wellbehaving wrt alsa |
| 16:11.24 | cosmos2 | Weird: the sound (alsa-oss) works now on pd-extended and xchat, just after the "cat /proc/asound/cards" |
| 16:11.55 | cosmos2 | I try now to reboot to see if this configuration will work again |
| 16:12.06 | cosmos2 | I come back |
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| 16:14.01 | Janni | Hello. |
| 16:14.40 | lapsusbrutus | echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y ; aptitude install gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 ffmpeg sox twolame vorbis-tools lame faad #Would this line install everything I need to get DVDs working? |
| 16:15.08 | Janni | Is there a standby-mode that is completely software-based i.e. it does not rely on hardware support. |
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| 16:15.20 | Abddu | Seems like I have no virtual consoles 1-6. After I try to switch to one of them, my monitor displays "Switching to analog mode" message and the screen remains blank black. Puzzled. |
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| 16:15.35 | Janni | I'd like to go to sleep (my system that is) and wake-up with my hard-disk attached to another machine. |
| 16:15.40 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: inittab settings maybe? |
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| 16:16.02 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: Didn't fiddle with those, don't even know what they are. Searching 'inittab'. |
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| 16:16.42 | cosmos2 | ok the sound ( with oss ) works now |
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| 16:16.49 | cosmos2 | thanks a lot |
| 16:17.05 | Janni | Because it's one of the great things about linux I've come to appreciate. I can plug the installation on my external hard-disk to most computers but use my own system there. Only it means I have to boot every time. |
| 16:17.40 | cosmos2 | However I saw a warning during boot that ended someting like: aumix will not touch mixer ...warning |
| 16:17.45 | cosmos2 | what is it? |
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| 16:18.21 | Janni | So, I thought there must exist a tool that saves the current state of the system to disk and restores it after bootup. Some kind of pre-ACPI/APM standby mode... I guess I have explained my question clear enough :-) |
| 16:19.24 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: My inittab seems ok to me. In case you felt like looking at it I pastebinned it: http://pastebin.com/bTaTBdB3 |
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| 16:21.29 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: hm that looks perfectly ok too me too |
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| 16:24.43 | Abddu | Do I need openvpn initiated at boot If I'm not using any vpn connections manually? (I used to, not now though) |
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| 16:29.44 | Nebukadneza | mh |
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| 16:29.56 | Nebukadneza | how would i ideally dd a partition over network into another partition? |
| 16:30.06 | cosmos2 | ok guys, thanks a lot ;) |
| 16:30.07 | cosmos2 | bye |
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| 16:36.56 | un214 | Nebukadnesa: dd | sh or dd | nc |
| 16:37.10 | Nebukadneza | mh, that doesn't seem to perform ;/ |
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| 16:37.49 | Nebukadneza | with a fast (~40mb/s read) hdd, a good gigabit network and a slow~ish usb hdd (~18mb/s write) i only get ~7mb/s using netcat |
| 16:38.19 | pipeline | use a larger dd blocksize |
| 16:38.32 | pipeline | also dding a partition over the network is an idiot plan |
| 16:38.40 | pipeline | is there a reason you can't create a new partition and use tar over ssh ? |
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| 16:39.09 | Nebukadneza | pipeline: i'm making a backup of a broken filesystem |
| 16:39.53 | Nebukadneza | what benifit would tar'ing it have? |
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| 16:40.37 | pipeline | Nebukadneza: tar is just the easiest way to back up a mount-able filesystem. If it's not mountable, then idiot plans are all the options you're left with :) |
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| 16:41.13 | Nebukadneza | it isn't :) |
| 16:41.27 | Nebukadneza | and i don't think it's that bad for making a bacup, actually |
| 16:41.36 | Nebukadneza | also: ssh used gzip compression, one box was cpu bound |
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| 16:43.46 | Abddu | I modified runlevel 5 to skip kdm (the only session manager installed), but this gives me just a black screen with no prompt. |
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| 16:47.23 | pipeline | Abddu: The default runlevel is 3. Runlevels 3,4,5 are identical to one another out of the box. |
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| 16:47.54 | pipeline | Abddu: even if you did in fact disable kdm, you should always have a virtual tty available. If you don't, something is probably wrong with your framebuffer/vga/vesa console configuration. |
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| 16:50.37 | Abddu | pipeline: Maybe that's because I installed fglrx-driver, but still haven't configured it. I'm puzzled now, cause to configure it I have to leave X, which I can't do. |
| 16:51.00 | Abddu | Also I don't have xorg-conf file - should I install xorg and run xorg -configure? |
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| 16:51.54 | pipeline | Abddu: fglrx is a world of hurt, I can't/won't help you with that |
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| 16:52.05 | pipeline | Abddu: my suggestion would be to completely uninstall all fglrx bits/pieces |
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| 16:52.18 | pipeline | Abddu: if you require 3d acceleration, buy an intel chipset or nvidia card. 'nuff said. |
| 16:53.04 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: how did you install card? |
| 16:53.09 | pipeline | Abddu: nvidia drivers are also proprietary, but their proprietary drivers are better quality :\ |
| 16:54.23 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: If you ask about the drivers, I just ran aptitude install fglrx-driver |
| 16:54.39 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: did you aticonfig --initial ? |
| 16:54.53 | Abddu | pipeline: I can't afford a new video card, and in fact my previous card that failed miserably here was NVidia. :) |
| 16:55.03 | pipeline | Abddu: tough |
| 16:55.12 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: Not yet, as I fail to shut down X |
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| 16:55.45 | lapsusbrutus | ok didnt know it shuting down X was needed |
| 16:56.00 | Abddu | I just ran it in X... Seems it can be done. :D |
| 16:56.14 | lapsusbrutus | gl |
| 16:57.03 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus: xorg.conf WAS created and looks good. Thank you. :D |
| 16:57.14 | lapsusbrutus | im glad :) |
| 16:57.19 | Abddu | reboot -n |
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| 17:00.25 | lapsusbrutus | Abddu: good sign you managed to boot :p |
| 17:00.46 | Abddu | lapsusbrutus, pipeline: Fixed. The source of the issue was presence of fglrx-driver which was not configured. Thank you gentlemen. |
| 17:00.57 | dawud | hello, I'm trying to proxy an OID tree through host:161 to a jvm.snmp agent in the same host:1161. Issuing 'snmpwalk -v2c -c public host:1161 OID' works as expected and I can see the whole JAVA-MIB. I've added 'proxy -v2c -c public 127.0.0.1:1161 OID' to the snmpd.conf and restarted the daemon. I'd expect now that 'snmpwalk -v2c -c public host OID' to be proxied to the second agent. It's not working, any hints? |
| 17:01.07 | un214 | screw it |
| 17:01.19 | un214 | try using only vesa & vgaconsole |
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| 17:07.05 | \amethyst | I've got an i386 machine with an amd64 kernel, and would like uname to generally report 'i686' rather than 'x86_64'. What would be a reasonable way to do this early in the boot process? Right now I call gdm and getty under setarch, but I feel like it makes more sense to do it earlier so all the init.d scripts are affected. The initrd seems like a reasonable place to do that, but how would I hook the call to run-init ? |
| 17:08.20 | jhutchins_lt | Why do you want an x86_64 kernel to report i686? |
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| 17:10.40 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: among other things, having it set to 'x86_64' causes configure to build with a 64-bit --host |
| 17:11.02 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: and I'm not sure whether it could cause problems for other programs |
| 17:12.12 | \amethyst | I guess maybe I should just switch to the 686 PAE kernel |
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| 17:14.42 | project2501a | hey guys, how come dpkg --dry-run does not display dependencies |
| 17:14.44 | project2501a | ? |
| 17:14.56 | project2501a | mans dpkg |
| 17:14.59 | project2501a | DO YOU HEAR THAT UBUNTU |
| 17:15.03 | project2501a | I AM READING THE MANUAL! |
| 17:15.07 | path | ? |
| 17:15.26 | project2501a | i am exorcizing against ubuntu users. |
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| 17:17.13 | bw123 | you mean sudo exorcize |
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| 17:18.00 | project2501a | bw123: no need. all you need to do is tell an ubuntu user to read the manual. |
| 17:18.02 | project2501a | good enough. |
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| 17:18.52 | bw123 | project2501a: ubuntu has man pages? |
| 17:19.28 | project2501a | touche' |
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| 17:22.20 | SeanInSeattle | Hey all. I need some help setting up a bootable usb stick with debian stable on it. I'm reading through the howto at http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb, but I'm not sure how to locate my usb device location (e.g. /dev/sdc). I'm currently running ubuntu, and I don't want to screw up my machine. Any ideas? |
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| 17:22.48 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: try ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/usb* |
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| 17:23.18 | Abddu | bw123: Actually it does have them. :D |
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| 17:23.30 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: (while the device is plugged in, of course) |
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| 17:24.13 | sonias | Hi guys, howto change language for my debian install? I want spanish |
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| 17:24.42 | debiannn | hello |
| 17:24.59 | SeanInSeattle | \amethyst, Yep, I had two entries: sdb and sdb1. |
| 17:25.09 | debiannn | how to sync music iphone 3g with debian squeeze? |
| 17:25.23 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: so sdb is the entire stick, and sdb1 is the first partition |
| 17:25.59 | SeanInSeattle | \amethyst, ok. How to partition it? is it "fdisk /dev/sdb" ? |
| 17:26.31 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: yes, or cfdisk or parted or gparted |
| 17:26.56 | SeanInSeattle | Does gparted have a graphical UI that I can use? |
| 17:26.56 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: though if it's already partitioned you might not need to |
| 17:27.11 | pipeline | SeanInSeattle: cfdisk is your best bet there |
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| 17:27.39 | SeanInSeattle | \amethyst, It is already partitioned to a single partition. I just need to del all the stuff from it. |
| 17:27.41 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: that's what the "g" is for; cfdisk has a text-based GUI |
| 17:27.49 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: so you don't need to repartition then |
| 17:27.54 | Without | Hi, what can causes high iowait ? |
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| 17:29.07 | project2501a | Without: bad disk blocks (lots of), slow disk subsystem, lots of blocking function calls to the io subsystem |
| 17:29.08 | SeanInSeattle | \amethyst, ok. Everything is clean. Should I run the lilo cmd to make the usb bootable? I have used that same usb to boot and install ubuntu in the past. |
| 17:29.44 | Without | project2501a: how can i determine bad disk blocks? possible it's due to longtime didn't reboot ? |
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| 17:30.05 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: you shouldn't need lilo -M if you've booted it before, unless you just wiped the whole device and not just the partition |
| 17:30.13 | project2501a | Without: could be |
| 17:30.41 | Without | project2501a: possible diff cpu have diff iowait? i do have x3430 and 3440 |
| 17:30.47 | SeanInSeattle | \amethyst, So, now I"ve got the iso for the business card size installation... but the instructions talk about DSL.... where to go from here? |
| 17:30.52 | project2501a | Without: in the same system? |
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| 17:31.03 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: do you want to make an installer or a live stick? |
| 17:31.06 | Without | project2501a: different system. |
| 17:31.17 | project2501a | Without: so, they have no relation. |
| 17:31.19 | SeanInSeattle | \amethyst, an installer. |
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| 17:31.55 | Without | project2501a: i mean, i do have 2 dedicated server, x3430 and x3440.. could CPU causes different iowait ? |
| 17:32.00 | project2501a | no. |
| 17:32.08 | project2501a | not significantly so. |
| 17:33.01 | Without | project2501a: i do have raid0, possible the hdd having issue ? |
| 17:33.15 | project2501a | could be. |
| 17:33.22 | project2501a | but we are talking about a hypothetical system |
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| 17:33.35 | project2501a | please take your system to the nearest sysadmin. |
| 17:33.45 | hyper_ch | how there, on what database will dpgk --get-selection work? |
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| 17:34.58 | Without | project2501a: I'll go for a reboot and see how it goes :) |
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| 17:35.29 | wols | hyper_ch: on the dpkg status file |
| 17:35.36 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: this is what you should be reading: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 17:35.46 | hyper_ch | wols: where is that one to be found? |
| 17:36.02 | sonias | anyone knows how to change gnome language to spanish from english? |
| 17:36.16 | wols | locate dpkg |grep stats |
| 17:36.18 | wols | locate dpkg |grep status |
| 17:36.19 | hyper_ch | problem is: I have a totally borked system at hand yet a backup of the data... so I'm just looking for a good way to reinstall the packages |
| 17:36.22 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: the simplest way, if your stick is big enough, is to just cat the .iso onto the USB stick |
| 17:36.40 | SeanInSeattle | \amethyst, Thanks. Yeah, so I cat the iso to the partition, or the device? |
| 17:36.50 | hyper_ch | wols: thx for the help - very appreciated |
| 17:36.58 | \amethyst | SeanInSeattle: the whole device... it includes the boot record and everything |
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| 17:38.06 | EmleyMoor | If I want Amazon Downloader, am I best off with it for "Debian 4"? |
| 17:38.21 | dawud | hello, I'm trying to proxy an OID tree through host:161 to a jvm.snmp agent in the same host:1161. Issuing 'snmpwalk -v2c -c public host:1161 OID' works as expected and I can see the whole JAVA-MIB. I've added 'proxy -v2c -c public host:1161 OID' to the snmpd.conf and restarted the daemon. I'd expect now that 'snmpwalk -v2c -c public host OID' to be proxied to the second agent. It's not working, any hints? |
| 17:39.06 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: I don't even see "Debian 4" as an option, and no |
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| 17:39.16 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: unless you're on an etch system |
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| 17:40.10 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: they have a Debian 5 version, which is still not the latest Debian version, but is closer |
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| 17:40.51 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: it looks like you can use the "Debian 5" version, *if* you install some boost packages from Lenny |
| 17:40.59 | EmleyMoor | \amethyst: I'm not being offered that. Ubuntu 9.10 is the only other remotely reasonable sounding optios |
| 17:41.02 | EmleyMoor | option |
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| 17:42.19 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: http://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/help/amd.html gives me a "Debian 5" option |
| 17:43.09 | sonias | trying to find a laguage-pack for gnome for gnome (want spanish) where and how? |
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| 17:43.56 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: according to a few blog entries, to install that in Squeeze, you will need the following packages from lenny: libboost-date-time1.34.1 libboost-filesystem1.34.1 libboost-iostreams1.34.1 libboost-regex1.34.1 libboost-signals1.34.1 libboost-thread1.34.1 |
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| 17:44.51 | EmleyMoor | Right - I'll grab them and give it a try |
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| 17:47.36 | \amethyst | sonias: the translations are part of the default GNOME install, but you likely need to configure your locales |
| 17:47.38 | EmleyMoor | This "grab" is more like a "fumble". |
| 17:47.39 | \amethyst | !locales |
| 17:47.39 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 17:47.42 | streuner | sonias: try "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
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| 17:48.13 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: one option is to temporarily add lenny to your sources.list, do an update, and install them with apt |
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| 17:48.29 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: another is to download them manually from packages.debian.org or from a mirror |
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| 17:48.56 | ivanhoe | hi there, I am attempting to install debian on a power mac g3, during installation of the bootloader (quik) I am told that the OpenFirmware variable 'boot-device' couldn't be set and I should configure OpenFirmware manually .... any hints on how I would do that? |
| 17:48.57 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: you're on i386 I assume? |
| 17:49.01 | EmleyMoor | amd64 |
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| 17:49.17 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: oh |
| 17:49.34 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: the Amazon mp3 downloader is 32-bit only |
| 17:50.03 | jordanm | sounds like this software is unmaintained |
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| 17:50.16 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: which can be run on a 64-bit system with the right libraries, but I don't know how one would get 32-bit boost libraries on a 64-bit system |
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| 17:50.45 | Griob | I understand that things like dwm/awesome wm can run standalone as desktop managers, but how can i get them to run inside KDE? |
| 17:50.46 | sonias | streuner, \amethyst: ok though that was for keyboard only, thanks for info. I guess I need to reboot or at least log in and out.. |
| 17:50.57 | EmleyMoor | I'm still having problems finding them in the first place |
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| 17:51.28 | sonias | streuner \amethyst: thanks guys |
| 17:52.02 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/boost/ |
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| 17:52.33 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: but again the _i386.debs there won't install on your system, and the _amd64 ones won't work with the downloader |
| 17:52.58 | EmleyMoor | This is a nightmare |
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| 17:54.47 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: you could use banshee instead |
| 17:55.01 | EmleyMoor | "banshee"? |
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| 17:55.26 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: it's a music player that includes, among other things, a plugin to shop at the Amazon MP3 Store |
| 17:55.40 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm.... |
| 17:55.46 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: even if you don't use it to play your music, I guess you could use it for downloads |
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| 17:56.15 | \amethyst | I haven't tried it, since I don't buy MP3s very often |
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| 17:56.49 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: ah, there's also this: http://code.google.com/p/clamz/ |
| 17:57.00 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: it's a command-line Amazon MP3 downloader :) |
| 17:57.10 | EmleyMoor | is looking into banshee now |
| 17:57.29 | EmleyMoor | Do these things do albums? There's a massive price difference |
| 17:57.35 | steampunkey | hello. i can't seem to boot my debian system anymore, it complains about an UUID. i have a squeeze netinstall CD, i tried reinstalling grub to /dev/sda, but that new grub remains, and the UUID message persists. It asks me for the root password each time, it doesnt seem to populate /dev with sda*, so i can't fsck em, and if i ^D the whole thing, it says it's booting gdm3, but nothing comes up. |
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| 17:58.59 | oldtopman | steampunkey: Have you changed any oh your hard drives or such? |
| 17:59.08 | steampunkey | oldtopman: i haven't |
| 17:59.12 | oldtopman | steampunkey: Also, have you ruled out HD failure? |
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| 17:59.38 | steampunkey | oldtopman: it's a relatively new drive, but i haven't ruled that out either. though, it did manage to read the partition in recovery mode |
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| 18:00.18 | steampunkey | (chose sda2 as root, started a shell, checked to see if my modified /etc/apt/sources.list was there, it was) |
| 18:00.40 | oldtopman | Well, this n00b is out of ideas. |
| 18:00.40 | EmleyMoor | is looking for anything to do with Amazon in Banshee |
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| 18:01.08 | oldtopman | steampunkey: I hate 6 anyway |
| 18:01.16 | oldtopman | They'll fix it soon I hope |
| 18:01.29 | steampunkey | oldtopman: it's not exactly 6, but shhh |
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| 18:01.40 | iksik | is it possible to mount UFS from livecd ? |
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| 18:03.55 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: yeah, albums seem to work fine |
| 18:04.03 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: things get downloaded and unpacked into ~/Music/ |
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| 18:04.27 | bw123 | steampinkey: booting into grub recovery mode? |
| 18:04.42 | roger21 | apt aptitude |
| 18:04.43 | apt | aptitude is probably a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 18:04.49 | EmleyMoor | If I'm really lucky, clamz might do it for me |
| 18:05.13 | roger21 | should i use aptitude or apt- ? |
| 18:05.34 | roger21 | for normal stuff installation |
| 18:05.36 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell roger21 about why aptitude |
| 18:05.43 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell roger21 about why not aptitude |
| 18:05.54 | linuxxx | hello |
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| 18:06.11 | steampunkey | bw123: lol. it's punkey. when i said recovery mode, i meant the netinstall CD's. what about grub recovery mode? |
| 18:06.15 | EmleyMoor | One problem I am still fighting my way around... I am using amazon.co.uk |
| 18:06.16 | linuxxx | how i install this package http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libiphone-utils in debian 6.0.1a? |
| 18:06.26 | roger21 | dpkg why aptitude |
| 18:06.26 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Read the release notes. |
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| 18:06.32 | linuxxx | i see it is in debianports |
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| 18:07.04 | roger21 | dpkg why not aptitude |
| 18:07.04 | dpkg | Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid; for lenny->squeeze use apt-get. |
| 18:07.20 | Arrowmaster | roger21: the bot should have private messaged both of those to you already |
| 18:07.55 | roger21 | Arrowmaster, yeah it ends up in a non resizable micro-popup (shity conf) |
| 18:07.57 | Arrowmaster | linuxxx: that package is only available on avr32 arch |
| 18:08.22 | Arrowmaster | roger21: ouch, you probably want to look into fixing that |
| 18:08.28 | bw123 | steampunkey: steampinkey sound sbetter, but check /etc/default/grub |
| 18:08.36 | EmleyMoor | clamz works - the "activation" for UK not too hard either |
| 18:08.45 | linuxxx | Arrowmaster: opss ok i didnt see it |
| 18:08.55 | steampunkey | bw123: check it for what? o.O |
| 18:08.58 | roger21 | Arrowmaster, i should just opened a query actually |
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| 18:09.42 | EmleyMoor | That's a £23 album for £9.49 |
| 18:10.13 | bw123 | steampunkey: for anything you have changed |
| 18:10.15 | linuxxx | i wish someday i will be able to sync iphone music with debian :S |
| 18:10.29 | steampunkey | bw123: my machine is in the other room, i'll have to boot the netinstall and get through all the... stuff... before it mounts the partition. can you tell me wh... |
| 18:10.35 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: yay |
| 18:10.55 | steampunkey | bw123: i haven't changed anything. do you suggest i check it anyway? :-/ |
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| 18:11.19 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: I don't know about clamz, but I believe banshee uses a GNOME affiliate code by default, so purchases help fund GNOME development |
| 18:11.41 | \amethyst | EmleyMoor: there was a bit of drama in Ubuntu about that recently |
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| 18:11.55 | EmleyMoor | (it is my birthday tomorrow and my partner promised to pay for an album of my choice. Unfortunately the local mall no longer has a music store.) |
| 18:11.58 | bw123 | steampunkey: yeah that's where i would start there is a grub_diable_linux_uuid in there |
| 18:12.07 | thinksteve | linuxxx: Why don't you use Itunes and Macosx instead? |
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| 18:12.25 | linuxxx | thinksteve: im now following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
| 18:12.34 | steampunkey | bw123: will do afthisk |
| 18:12.49 | linuxxx | thinksteve: i dont want to use windows and mac |
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| 18:12.55 | thinksteve | linuxxx: Have fun |
| 18:13.23 | gena2x | Hi, all. I'm on amd64/testing and wondering what is best way to install cross-compiling toolchain (arm-gnueabi). Seems apt-cross is missing. Is multiarch usable enough to install arm libs on amd64 arch? |
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| 18:13.59 | thinksteve | linuxxx: Well, going for an Iphone isn't a good choice in that case. |
| 18:14.06 | gena2x | Or i want to have something very unusual? :) |
| 18:14.39 | linuxxx | thinksteve: i recived from my brother for free if i refuse i will be an idiot |
| 18:16.06 | thinksteve | linuxxx: No, my brother would know, that I dislike vendors that want to limit my freedom of choice, so I wouldn't take it. |
| 18:16.57 | steampunkey | bw123: there's nothing named grub in /etc/default |
| 18:17.11 | steampunkey | just two other things |
| 18:17.13 | linuxxx | thinksteve: i think we have to try to do things in linux whether they are difficult or not instead of trying to use Windows or mac, this way you help linux improving |
| 18:18.01 | bw123 | steampunkey: you have /boot/grub? |
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| 18:19.01 | steampunkey | bw123: gimme sec |
| 18:19.05 | thinksteve | linuxxx: This can be done by boycotting vendors that are not interested to support Linux. |
| 18:19.36 | ignite | I installed VLC the other day and now every time I mount SSH or open Music directory using the Places->Bookmarks in GNOME, VLC automatically opens it. Does anyone know where I disable this? It's not in the preferred applications. |
| 18:19.39 | linuxxx | thinksteve: i try to do as much as i can but not always is possible |
| 18:19.59 | linuxxx | thinksteve: next mobile i will buy will be an android thats for sure |
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| 18:20.25 | jackweb | Hello! I'd like to create some bootable partition on my pendrive in order to install Debian; what partition type do I have to use? |
| 18:20.31 | EmleyMoor | is deannoyancing the song names before playing it |
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| 18:20.58 | thinksteve | linuxxx: Ok, that's not good either, but way better than iOs or Windows Mobile. |
| 18:21.27 | gena2x | jackweb, i guess this depends on bootloader you want to install to your flash |
| 18:21.48 | jackweb | gena2x: sorry, I said wrongly |
| 18:21.55 | jackweb | I would like to install installer of Debian |
| 18:21.59 | jackweb | on pendrive |
| 18:22.59 | steampunkey | bw123: wrong dir, there's an etc/default/grub, will try truing the thing you suggested |
| 18:23.09 | gnarface | jackweb: you don't have to do that anymore. just take the cd iso and copy it directly to the device with dd |
| 18:23.59 | jackweb | gnarface: so the thing I will have to do is create a new partition with no type and to use 'dd'? |
| 18:24.12 | \amethyst | jackweb: no partition |
| 18:24.17 | jackweb | ah, yes |
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| 18:24.21 | jackweb | you're right |
| 18:24.23 | \amethyst | jackweb: cat or dd it directly to the drive |
| 18:24.30 | gnarface | even cp will work actually |
| 18:24.49 | jackweb | but... |
| 18:24.53 | gnarface | cp [iso file] /dev/[usb drive node] |
| 18:25.00 | gnarface | no partition number |
| 18:25.19 | \amethyst | I would recommend against using 'dd' for this unless you at least set the 'bs=' parameter to something higher than the default 512 |
| 18:25.28 | jackweb | but I would like to make two partitions on my pendrive |
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| 18:25.39 | jackweb | the first - with data, the second - with installer |
| 18:25.40 | gnarface | \amethyst: how come cause it takes too long? |
| 18:25.48 | jackweb | is it possible to do? |
| 18:25.54 | \amethyst | gnarface: yeah, it can take much longer that way |
| 18:26.11 | jackweb | when I have no partition, how to tell dd where does it have to put the installer ISO? |
| 18:26.29 | \amethyst | jackweb: if you do want partitions, you can't use that method |
| 18:26.43 | \amethyst | jackweb: you will have to use the "the flexible way" method from the installation guide |
| 18:26.46 | gnarface | jackweb: but you should know you can just add your data to the install disk probably |
| 18:26.55 | jackweb | ok |
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| 18:27.10 | jackweb | so I'll remove all data from my pendrive temporary |
| 18:27.28 | gnarface | yes |
| 18:27.32 | Abddu | Wow, made compositing to work finally. Now another mission impossible to make compiz load as default. :) |
| 18:27.39 | gena2x | jackweb, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 18:28.01 | steampunkey | bw123: still the same, i'm afraid. it's like when i tell it to install grub /dev/sda it doesn't write anything |
| 18:28.09 | steampunkey | *reinstall |
| 18:28.15 | \amethyst | is the hybrid fs extensible? |
| 18:28.24 | jackweb | gena2x, all: thanks ;] |
| 18:29.03 | \amethyst | jackweb: actually, one thing you can do |
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| 18:29.37 | bw123 | steampunkey: maybe grub has the uuid of your hd mixed up, above my skill level but i would start with man grub |
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| 18:29.46 | \amethyst | jackweb: if you get the boot.img.gz and dd it to the disk, that will give you a disk with one 256-MB partition |
| 18:30.07 | \amethyst | jackweb: you copy the netinst or businesscard CD into there; and you can create a new partition using the free space |
| 18:30.17 | gena2x | jackweb, actually i _guess_ linux will ignore partition type |
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| 18:30.31 | jackweb | ok |
| 18:30.36 | steampunkey | bw123: well your method should've worked. i'm kinda hopeless if it won't really write anything. plus the live shelly thing won't give me man |
| 18:30.45 | gena2x | jackweb, so just "Linux" (83 in fdisk) should be ok |
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| 18:31.30 | jackweb | gena2x: and when I remove all my partitions from my pendrive and 'dd' ISO? |
| 18:31.40 | jackweb | I think it should be OK |
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| 18:31.55 | gena2x | jackweb, no |
| 18:31.55 | \amethyst | AFAIK if you dd the ISO there's no way to use the rest of the space |
| 18:32.06 | bw123 | steampunkey: oh you booted off a live cd, well yeah you can't update the hd that way unless you use chroot I think |
| 18:32.09 | \amethyst | you have to use the boot.img for that instead, so you actually have a partition table |
| 18:32.17 | jackweb | sorry, I meant leaving my data on another computer |
| 18:32.21 | gena2x | jackweb, you can dd _or_ create partitions |
| 18:32.26 | jackweb | ok |
| 18:33.30 | bw123 | steampunkey: i would try to boot grub recovery from the hd |
| 18:34.11 | jackweb | ok, suppose I am installing Debian netinst on my netbook with Wi-Fi; would it be possible to configure my network wireless while installing Debian in order to allow installer download the packages from internet? |
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| 18:34.30 | gena2x | jackweb, yes |
| 18:34.37 | gena2x | jackweb, but |
| 18:34.45 | steampunkey | bw123: hmmm. let me check if the grub file chg stuck. if it didn't i'm going to edit it differently, and come back |
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| 18:35.19 | gena2x | jackweb, you may need non-free firmware. |
| 18:36.08 | steampunkey | bw123: the change is there. even after the update from the recovery cd. i can see it equalling true. *shakes head* i have no idea... |
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| 18:36.34 | jackweb | gena2x: so I will have to find out about Wi-Fi? |
| 18:36.47 | jackweb | in order to download the correct firmware? |
| 18:37.12 | gena2x | jackweb, easiest way just to try installer |
| 18:37.32 | gena2x | jackweb, it will tell you if it need firmware |
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| 18:38.42 | jackweb | gena2x: or maybe should I download the full Debian installer (no netinst) and there won't be a problem with internet connection while installing OS? |
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| 18:39.47 | gena2x | jackweb, i think getting CD1 is best way unless you know that your networking hardware is supported |
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| 18:40.33 | \amethyst | CD1 doesn't have non-free firmware does it? |
| 18:40.43 | gena2x | if course not |
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| 18:40.54 | wols | jackweb: the only upside wrt connectivity with CD1 is that there is wpasupplicant on CD1. but that won't help you while installing at all |
| 18:41.29 | wols | jackweb: does your AP use wpa? |
| 18:41.32 | \amethyst | there are unofficial netinst CDs that already have the non-free firmware on them, if you think you will be likely to need that |
| 18:41.33 | gena2x | of course no non-free on CD1 |
| 18:41.39 | \amethyst | e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.1a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 18:41.42 | bw123 | steampunkey: after changing /etc/default/grub you have to update-grub but I would not change anything in that file |
| 18:41.46 | Arrowmaster | CD1 is actually missing a lot of stuff, if you can use the netinstaller its best to use DVD1 if you can |
| 18:41.58 | Arrowmaster | *cant use the netinstaller |
| 18:41.59 | gena2x | and i am not installer developer :) |
| 18:42.04 | wols | Arrowmaster: what is missing that you need? |
| 18:42.46 | Arrowmaster | ive heard complaints that its missing network manager, so for some people configuring wifi was more difficult than it should have been |
| 18:42.52 | jackweb | AP? wols I don't know - I would have to find out |
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| 18:44.11 | Arrowmaster | wols: also gnome was split up so that a minimal subset was able to fit on CD1 |
| 18:44.31 | bw123 | steampunkey: make sure #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true is commented out |
| 18:45.37 | gena2x | \amethyst, cool i didn't know such images exist |
| 18:46.32 | steampunkey | bw123: i did uncomment it. i also did update grub via that cd. i'll try manually if you think that might help |
| 18:46.54 | jackweb | my pendrive has 4 GB so I am not sure if it would be possible to install DVD1 :( |
| 18:46.59 | jackweb | s/has/is/ |
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| 18:47.33 | gena2x | jackweb, it's easy, just try to run installer. if it will not work, start thinking |
| 18:47.42 | bw123 | steampunkey: if you booted from the cd then i think your root is a ramdisk not the hd |
| 18:47.51 | jackweb | gena2x: ok |
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| 18:48.36 | gena2x | jackweb, just be careful if you have only single machine only dangerous step is bootloader installation |
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| 18:48.56 | gena2x | jackweb, and partitioning of course |
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| 18:49.54 | jackweb | ok |
| 18:49.56 | jackweb | thanks |
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| 18:51.04 | steampunkey | bw123: i told you i've checked on the actual disk later on, the changes were there |
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| 18:51.53 | project2501a | remember: friends tell friends to read the manual. |
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| 18:52.28 | bw123 | steampunkey: great that will be $39.50 please |
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| 18:54.38 | steampunkey | bw123: umm. it didn't fix my problem... |
| 18:54.40 | steampunkey | :-D |
| 18:55.21 | gena2x | anybody knows what had happen with apt-cross? any way to do install arm libs to emdebian environment ATM? |
| 18:55.24 | steampunkey | bw123: if you're out of idea, thanks anyway. the ones you had were good. i don't know why they failed. |
| 18:55.35 | steampunkey | *ideas |
| 18:56.28 | bw123 | steampunkey: you need to boot the grub recovery from the hd get rid of the cd, and check your grub installation, try man grub |
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| 18:57.11 | project2501a | nato kai to hellug |
| 18:58.30 | project2501a | guys, is there a tool that i give it a package for a given version of debian, say oldstable, stable or testing, and it finds out the dependencies and prints out if i have the minimum requirements and if not prints out the current version? |
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| 19:01.14 | jelly-home | project2501a: eh, just add the repos and try a dry-run installation? |
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| 19:01.17 | steampunkey | bw123: i'll try to think of something, i can't pull from online repos. thanks for your help |
| 19:01.26 | steampunkey | *don't have grub installed i guess |
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| 19:02.08 | project2501a | jelly-home: that is definately one way. but i think it would be much more pretty and "engineerish" to display to the sysadmin the upgrade path and let him make descisions |
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| 19:02.23 | bw123 | steampunkey: you didn't try, because it's info grub, not man |
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| 19:04.17 | Icornpad2 | Hi, i put debian-live usb image on a usb using dd, but it will not boot - comes up with a missing operating system when i boot, anyone know what i can try? |
| 19:04.28 | bw123 | steampunkey: check fstab too for the right uuid of root partition, good luck |
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| 19:04.44 | webad_13 | I would like to be able to mount without sudo ntfs partition on usb. But I haven't succeded so far (I have indicated user/users in fstab and specified where to be mounted)... I tried copying the settings from the mtab or /proc/mounts since nautilus mounts it automatically, but haven't succeded |
| 19:04.53 | gena2x | Icornpad2, make sure your bios is setup to boot from usb |
| 19:04.58 | war9407 | Does anyone here use ifhp+lprng? |
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| 19:05.42 | webad_13 | I don't know if this is making any sense to someone, but if it does any help is appreciated |
| 19:05.44 | jelly-home | project2501a: it would be cleaner if the sysadmin didn't mix releases, and made their own backports! |
| 19:05.49 | Norman_Bates | Icornpad2, make sure you use dd if=image.img of=/dev/sdx ( not /dev/sdx1 ) |
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| 19:06.37 | sonias | how to change keymap in gnome? :) |
| 19:06.51 | Sue | because i can't seem to figure out what to google for this question, for a default install which cds do i need to download if i were to install from the xfce cd1? |
| 19:07.00 | Icornpad2 | gena2x, it trys to, its a dell studio, and i hit shift f12 and select the usb device - and yes, i did use of=/dev/sdg |
| 19:07.02 | Norman_Bates | with gnome-keyboard-properties |
| 19:07.03 | webad_13 | soias, like the layout? |
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| 19:07.36 | Norman_Bates | Icornpad2, did you check the md5 ? maybe your downloaded file is broken ... never had such probs |
| 19:07.46 | cookiemon5ter | what is the difference between ubuntu and debian |
| 19:07.53 | Sue | or better, would i need anything other than cd1 for a default install period |
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| 19:08.16 | Icornpad2 | Norman_Bates, i will check, thanks |
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| 19:08.41 | Norman_Bates | sonias, ALT+F2 -> gnome-keyboard-properties -> here you go |
| 19:08.44 | dirkson | Hey all. My entire computer grinds to a halt whenever I try to install a new package. It slows down and pauses on 0% of "Reading package lists" every time. Anyone have any ideas on what's up? |
| 19:08.51 | bw123 | webas_13: i have the same issue ntfs-3g requires sudo unless you tweak it |
| 19:09.04 | gena2x | Icornpad2, this message means mostly that BIOS can't read MBR |
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| 19:09.20 | mns | anyone able to upload files to Google Docs from their Debain system ? I can do it from a WinXP VM I've got, but not from Debian/testing. I've tried with Chrome and Iceweasel. |
| 19:09.21 | webad_13 | bw123: did u manage to tweak it? |
| 19:10.01 | bw123 | webad_13: no the website says it is not recommended even though they tell you how to do it |
| 19:10.09 | webad_13 | bw123: nautilus seems to mount it with fuseblk |
| 19:10.15 | gena2x | Icornpad2, so even you wrote sdg1 or select wrong boot device or have wrong image |
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| 19:10.44 | bw123 | webad_13: i am new and i think i'm going to get rid of ntfs and make them all ext4 |
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| 19:11.11 | gena2x | Icornpad2, of some really old bios doesn't support booting this way (different way to boot from USB) |
| 19:11.22 | webad_13 | bw123: yeah but then u can't read it on the windows machine, not good when u want to share files |
| 19:11.48 | bw123 | webad_13: well i got debian so i could dump windows anyway |
| 19:11.51 | sonias | Norman_Bates: going to make keyboard shortcut or a script :) loadkeys looks like a option but not sure.. I get "cannot open file es" |
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| 19:12.09 | dalaha0 | hi |
| 19:12.19 | Icornpad2 | gena2x, i can boot ubuntu from usb when i use the 'startup disk creator' but it doesn't support debian images |
| 19:12.19 | dirkson | Hey all. My entire computer grinds to a halt whenever I try to install a new package. It slows down and pauses on 0% of "Reading package lists" every time, and top reports a load of 4-5. Anyone have any ideas on what's up? |
| 19:12.28 | Norman_Bates | sonias, going to change keymap or customize kebindings ? |
| 19:12.30 | Norman_Bates | +y |
| 19:12.58 | sonias | customize keybindings to automaticly switch keymap :) |
| 19:13.27 | sonias | ctrl-alt-k for spanish and press again to get uk :) |
| 19:13.39 | sonias | but how.. hmm |
| 19:14.05 | xyzp | how can i check my coonnecti0on to usb-stick? |
| 19:14.08 | Norman_Bates | ye yes ... you need to make a little scipt and bind it with ... wait i have to look in my folders ^^ |
| 19:14.22 | themill | dirkson: what version of debian is this with? |
| 19:14.27 | sonias | xyzp: dmesg |tail maybe? |
| 19:14.28 | Icornpad2 | gena2x, what format should i start the usb drive at before copying, ext2, fat32? |
| 19:14.35 | gena2x | dirkson, install dctrl-tools and run sync-available |
| 19:14.57 | dirkson | themill: Testing. Wheezy? |
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| 19:15.04 | dirkson | gena2x: Alrighty, give me a bit. |
| 19:15.11 | Norman_Bates | sonias, check this 2 packages out -- xbindkeys-config xbindkeys |
| 19:15.24 | gena2x | dirkson, just idea, don't count on it too much :) |
| 19:15.36 | Norman_Bates | sonias, there you can bind scripts, commands, or even other keys ^^ |
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| 19:15.59 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:16.07 | WebDewg | I want to install one package from six. |
| 19:16.23 | WebDewg | sid* |
| 19:16.33 | WebDewg | Can I do this? |
| 19:16.41 | simonlnu | no you don't. you want a backport. |
| 19:16.52 | WebDewg | What? |
| 19:16.54 | simonlnu | !ssb |
| 19:16.54 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 19:17.09 | WebDewg | heh. |
| 19:17.27 | gena2x | Icornpad2, if you dd something to your /dev/sdX it's no matter which fs you have |
| 19:17.34 | Renierius | Hello, guys. Damn, I feel so dumb ATM. I'm trying to open up a game through it's .exe with Wine, but it keeps telling me that the file doesn't have the permissions and I can't figure out how to change these permissions. Can anyone perhaps help? |
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| 19:17.58 | Norman_Bates | sonias, still there ? |
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| 19:18.09 | dirkson | gena2x: Apparently just apt-get update-ing fixed the problem. Odd. |
| 19:18.17 | simonlnu | Renierius: winecfg and switch it to win xp ? |
| 19:18.36 | dirkson | themill: Why did you ban WebDawg? |
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| 19:18.56 | themill | didn't |
| 19:19.00 | gena2x | dirkson, once i were running out-of memory while doing "Reading package list" |
| 19:19.03 | sonias | Norman_Bates: Yeah :) thanks for tip |
| 19:19.11 | sonias | was reading a little |
| 19:19.21 | gena2x | dirkson, this may look like system freeze |
| 19:19.22 | webad_13 | bw123: could you please give me a link to this possible "tweak" of ntfs-3g |
| 19:19.26 | simonlnu | mode/#debian [-b WebDawg!*@*$##fix_your_connection] by themill note the -b, not +b |
| 19:19.28 | dirkson | themill: Why did you do -b, whatever nonintuitive thing -b is, to Webdawg? : ) |
| 19:19.37 | themill | dirkson: -b is to remove a ban. |
| 19:19.38 | Norman_Bates | sonias, in the script use : "setxkbmap es" to switch |
| 19:19.43 | simonlnu | +b is ban, -b is unban |
| 19:19.44 | dirkson | themill: Ahhh! Good to know! |
| 19:19.51 | dirkson | will learn this irc thing yet. |
| 19:19.54 | Norman_Bates | sonias, setxkbmap us to switch back |
| 19:20.17 | Renierius | simonlnu: I'm using Ubuntu and it's not even giving me permission to use the file itself. |
| 19:20.17 | sonias | Norman_Bates: Lovely!! Ill make a nice little script :) |
| 19:20.44 | simonlnu | Renierius: a) wrong channel b) check the permissions on the file |
| 19:21.35 | ompaul | dirkson: also bad form to ask why someone got banned you don't know the backstory, and most likely those involved don't want to bother repeating it |
| 19:21.43 | Renierius | simonlnu: How do I check these permissions? I'm quite new to Ubuntu. |
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| 19:22.00 | olo0101 | hi |
| 19:22.07 | simonlnu | Renierius: a) wrong channel, go to #ubuntu b) man ls |
| 19:22.08 | ompaul | 'lo |
| 19:22.12 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.22 | dirkson | ompaul: We disagree. If you're curious, I'll explain out of channel, since it's offtopic. |
| 19:22.36 | Renierius | simonlnu: Alright, thanks. |
| 19:22.36 | bw123 | webad_13: it's the link you get when you try to mount http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
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| 19:23.11 | olo0101 | boudiccas: try rm -rf :D |
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| 19:23.16 | themill | dirkson: the syntax of the ban itself probably tells you all you need to know in this case anyway. |
| 19:23.30 | boudiccas | olo0101; hah bloody hah! :) |
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| 19:23.41 | dirkson | themill: Yah, now that I understand it was an unban, not a ban, that makes a lot more sense. |
| 19:23.42 | themill | olo0101: unhelpful |
| 19:23.43 | Rienzilla | boudiccas: simplest way is rsync |
| 19:24.30 | Rienzilla | or tar: (cd /home; tar xvjf /my/usbdrive/backup.tar.bz2 .) |
| 19:25.00 | ompaul | that one is better - rsync can have fun if the disk is plugged into other machines or different usb ports |
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| 19:25.21 | jelly-home | boudiccas: rsnapshot is a simple and often good enough rsync wrapper |
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| 19:26.39 | boudiccas | jelly-home; i've used rsnapshot in the past but on two separate occasions it has eaten hard drive which i've been unable to recover from, so i no longer trust it |
| 19:26.42 | webad_13 | bw123: ah, ty |
| 19:28.03 | SeanInSeattle | Hello everyone. I'm super confused. I'm new to debian, and I'm installing onto a laptop with a usb stick. I'm in the graphical installer, and its not configuring networking properly. No matter how I configure my wifi access point, or using ethernet... it won't access the net. Can someomone point me in the right direction? |
| 19:28.49 | boudiccas | SeanInSeattle;=====>>> does that pointer help? :) |
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| 19:29.10 | SeanInSeattle | boudiccas: Um. Well. No, but ten points for trying. |
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| 19:30.03 | boudiccas | SeanInSeattle; thank you for being so generous, i thought you'd reply with some vitriol :) |
| 19:31.19 | Sue | SeanInSeattle: well, what model is it? |
| 19:31.36 | Sue | (the laptop) |
| 19:31.52 | SeanInSeattle | Sue: Its an asus u81a 14" laptop. |
| 19:32.20 | SeanInSeattle | * wait... nevermind. ethernet just worked.... |
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| 19:33.17 | Sue | haha, must have been an issue with your router not giving out an address in time for dhcpcd |
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| 19:33.47 | Sue | (or dhclient, or whatever dhcp client is on the cd) |
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| 19:44.13 | boudiccas | how can i install libreoffice please? is it in any of the repos? or do i install it from their website? in which case, how do i get apt-get to install it please? |
| 19:44.43 | dalaha0 | Is Xfce well integrated to Debian ? |
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| 19:45.18 | ompaul | boudiccas: are you running squeeze or testing? |
| 19:45.19 | Norman_Bates | boudiccas, use the debs from there homepage |
| 19:45.34 | ompaul | raises an eyebrow |
| 19:45.55 | ompaul | dalaha0: it is there, what does well integrated mean? |
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| 19:46.13 | xyzp | it was my usb-hub that was out of order |
| 19:46.25 | dalaha0 | ompaul : all packages from the xfce project :) |
| 19:46.31 | boudiccas | ompaul; squeeze |
| 19:46.35 | dalaha0 | all extras, plugins, applets, etc |
| 19:47.07 | simonlnu | yes |
| 19:47.15 | simonlnu | (or mostly all) |
| 19:47.25 | dalaha0 | okay |
| 19:47.28 | ompaul | dalaha0: apt-cache search xfce | wc Gives us 144 1136 8529 |
| 19:47.46 | Norman_Bates | boudiccas, as I know there is no repo atm - so just use the debs from libreoffice.org |
| 19:47.48 | dalaha0 | what means theses numbers ? |
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| 19:48.17 | dalaha0 | you run on testing ? |
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| 19:48.50 | boudiccas | Norman_Bates; how do i get apt-get to install it please? i've tried ......... apt-get install *.deb when being in the directory but it refuses to install them |
| 19:48.52 | dirkson | Is there any way to make my system keep time independent of the hardware clock? |
| 19:48.55 | dalaha0 | i wanna use net install with xfce desktop option and up to testing, no problem will happen ? |
| 19:49.03 | ompaul | boudiccas: no you have openoffice for the moment, you could do what Norman_Bates suggested but it wouldn't be the debian way, the way would be to consider backports but right now the delta between both versions does not make much sense to go chasing libreoffice ime |
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| 19:49.37 | Norman_Bates | boudiccas, use dpkg -i packages.de ( *.deb ) to install the downloaded packages |
| 19:49.47 | simonlnu | boudiccas: apt-get doesn't work that way |
| 19:49.53 | ompaul | boudiccas: dpkg -i foo.deb for the package however will that look at your internationalisation language requirements and will it look at other things you might like help for instance |
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| 19:50.04 | Sue | dalaha0: why not use the testing netinst cd? |
| 19:50.15 | Norman_Bates | and the winner is ompaul ^^ |
| 19:50.16 | ompaul | boudiccas: by which I mean it won't look at those useful things |
| 19:50.34 | dalaha0 | Sue, it didn't find in on the website :/ |
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| 19:50.47 | ompaul | boudiccas: ergo my advise is don't until you are more familar with Debian |
| 19:50.51 | dalaha0 | juste ISOs for stable versio, |
| 19:50.52 | simonlnu | wasn't aware there was some sort of odd 'contest' going on |
| 19:50.52 | dalaha0 | n |
| 19:50.59 | simonlnu | 'advice' |
| 19:51.16 | Sue | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/current/ |
| 19:51.35 | Sue | dalaha0: which arch? |
| 19:51.37 | ompaul | simonlnu: let me advise you of the rules - one - don't mention the game - two - see rule one - three - watch fight club (doh!) |
| 19:51.52 | dalaha0 | Sue, 64bit |
| 19:52.14 | dalaha0 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/current/amd64/bt-cd/ is it the good repo ? |
| 19:52.22 | simonlnu | "my advice" "i can advise you" |
| 19:52.39 | Sue | those are the torrents for the daily builds, yes |
| 19:52.49 | Sue | *and yes |
| 19:53.02 | dalaha0 | i prefer torrents, no have to check integrity after dl |
| 19:53.04 | ompaul | simonlnu: hu? |
| 19:53.13 | dalaha0 | thx Sue ! |
| 19:53.19 | Sue | dalaha0: no problem ^^ |
| 19:53.25 | Abddu | My compiz works with all window decorators available in my system, BUT not with Oxygen (Window decorator crashes on loading compiz and no decorations are displayed anymore; compiz still works though). Any tips? I'm helpless. |
| 19:53.33 | ompaul | simonlnu: off side if you want - I'm missing some context there :) |
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| 19:55.43 | dalaha0 | Testing contain xfce 4.8 ? |
| 19:55.50 | dalaha0 | just to be sure |
| 19:57.57 | wols | dalaha0: packages.debian.org knows |
| 19:57.57 | ompaul | ,versions xfc |
| 19:57.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xfc' was found in i386. |
| 19:58.01 | ompaul | ,versions xfce |
| 19:58.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 19:58.25 | ompaul | ,versions xfce4 |
| 19:58.27 | judd | Package xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.2 |
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| 20:01.24 | Sue | ,versions mplayer |
| 20:01.26 | judd | Package mplayer on i386 -- lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1-2; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1-2; sid-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20110505-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20110505-0.0 |
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| 20:01.55 | sonias | anyone knows about how to get greppable info in what keymap is in use.. want to make a scrip changing to another keymap each time its run |
| 20:01.59 | volk | I just had a seg fault in the kernel when I was shutting down, it displayed a lot of crap and I was wondering where I can could find this error in a log somewhere? |
| 20:02.14 | dalaha0 | thans, it's the 4.8 |
| 20:02.23 | dalaha0 | but not the lastest |
| 20:02.42 | dirkson | Is there any way to get apt to return a list of installed packaged, ordered from largest to smallest? |
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| 20:03.36 | sonias | setxkbmap -v gives some output on "symbols: pc-??-asdfasdfsadf_asdf_asdfasdf_asdf.." so guess I can use this |
| 20:04.09 | themill | dirkson: /msg dpkg sort by size |
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| 20:05.04 | dirkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.09 | dirkson | fails |
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| 20:06.01 | ompaul | use of spaces in front of /msg will fail |
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| 20:06.13 | dalaha0 | good night, i'm tired, see you |
| 20:06.27 | Qation | Does anyone know how I can install the ATI Proprietary drivers. I"m using the opensource ones right now and this is what happens when I try to install it http://pastie.org/1950070 |
| 20:07.06 | ompaul | !tell Qation about ati |
| 20:07.21 | ompaul | Qation: that nice bot just told ya how to |
| 20:07.59 | Qation | ompaul: Actually it just linked me to the wiki I've been looking at for 3 hours |
| 20:08.38 | Qation | I'll try #ati |
| 20:08.38 | wols | Qation: why do you install linux headers? |
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| 20:09.15 | wols | and why can't you answer aptitude? |
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| 20:10.44 | boudiccas | a fresh install with the automatic partition sizes chosen, / is 322.5 and is already full up. so much so that i cnat install libreoffice with it. how do i clean it out please and regain control of it. i currently have just 6.8mb free on / |
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| 20:11.20 | wols | boudiccas: 332MB? |
| 20:11.32 | boudiccas | wols; 322.5mbs! |
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| 20:11.39 | wols | how big is that disk? |
| 20:11.44 | boudiccas | 160gig |
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| 20:12.11 | wols | repartition with parted |
| 20:12.29 | Kobaz | boudiccas: if you don't want to reinstall... start moving stuff to /home and make symlinks |
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| 20:12.35 | Kobaz | but 332 is a little small for / |
| 20:12.50 | wols | maybe it was intended for /boot? |
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| 20:13.09 | Kobaz | i make my / like 10 gigs these days |
| 20:13.21 | xyzp | my usb-stick is connected, but i can not se it, where is it, etion ferstre can i see it, most i dl a application to send thru it? |
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| 20:14.01 | wols | xyzp: " etion ferstre can i see it, most i dl a application to send thru it?" try this part again. it comes to my NIC as line noise |
| 20:14.12 | Abddu | Qation: I used this and it worked: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 20:14.19 | wols | xyzp: if you connect your usb stick, kernel log (dmesg) should tell you where it is |
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| 20:15.25 | xyzp | wois, ok thank you |
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| 20:16.11 | xyzp | might a boot ;-p |
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| 20:17.15 | sonias | xyzp: @14:14 :P |
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| 20:20.40 | xyzp | sonias, that tip was not easy, kernel.log is not short |
| 20:21.00 | boudiccas | how can i remove a part-installed programme [libreoffice] using apt-get please, i've tried apt-get clean, apt-get autoremove but it still complains that its still got some of libreoffice there, and my / still is not cleaned out and remains at 6.8mbs |
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| 20:21.47 | SeanInSeattle | Hey all. I'm a total newbie to debian, and I've just gotten my first laptop install done. Now I'm botted to local debian installation, but I can't get the wireless to work. This works automatically in Ubuntu. What kind of magic do I need to perform in order to get it to work right? I'm running on an Asus u81a laptop. |
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| 20:22.45 | Norman_Bates | boudiccas, dpkg -r ( use dpkg --help for more info ) |
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| 20:23.56 | student | hey how can i put my windows 7 on the grub it ask me if i wanted it to install the grub as the boot master and i said yes but i don't see it |
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| 20:27.03 | daedaluz | Debian really should have a live-CD image available. I mean a out-of-box usable image that fits on a CD |
| 20:27.21 | Norman_Bates | daedaluz, ther is one |
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| 20:27.53 | boudiccas | daedaluz; the april 2011 issue of Linux Format carries a dvd of debian with a live version on it |
| 20:27.58 | daedaluz | there isn't, the current ones with desktop don't fit on CD |
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| 20:28.15 | Norman_Bates | daedaluz, also have a look -> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ |
| 20:28.16 | rhenani | Hello Guys |
| 20:28.21 | SeanInSeattle | Hey all. Can someone help me get my wireless networking to work? It seems that all the right pieces were installed... but its not seeing any wireless access points. |
| 20:28.23 | rhenani | I have a question |
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| 20:28.47 | rhenani | I open links in mi temrinal (I use debian 6.0.1 squeze 64 bits version 6.0.1) |
| 20:29.08 | rhenani | The things is that when i open a japanse web site links doesn't show them |
| 20:29.21 | rhenani | i don't know if is a problem of the terminal or links o the computer?? |
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| 20:30.00 | daedaluz | SeanInSeattle: have firmware? |
| 20:30.18 | SeanInSeattle | daedaluz: What do you mean? |
| 20:31.08 | SeanInSeattle | I guess the first question is how to detect the Asus u81a laptop's wireless hardware? |
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| 20:31.54 | daedaluz | SeanInSeattle: lspci, then google does you wifi need firmware |
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| 20:32.00 | daedaluz | !firmware |
| 20:32.00 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 20:32.45 | katspaugh | Hi! What's a proper way to run a daemon with minimum privileges (I need only to log and send HTTPS requests periodically). |
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| 20:34.53 | Dev0n | anyone here compiled mysql 5.5 on squeezy ? |
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| 20:36.47 | katspaugh | Is nobody a good person? Can I run a daemon that sends HTTPS requests as nobody? |
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| 20:40.00 | \amethyst | katspaugh: yes, but you should not create files as nobody |
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| 20:40.39 | \amethyst | katspaugh: since plenty of "unprivileged" daemons would be able to touch them |
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| 20:41.52 | smugglerinc | I installed pulseaudio but now I cannot use my headphones. But I know that the jack works. How should I approach fixing them? |
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| 20:46.47 | rhenani | Hello guys |
| 20:47.09 | rhenani | I have a big file tar.gz that i compress from a directory |
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| 20:47.19 | rhenani | I want to download that file in my dropbox acount |
| 20:47.44 | rhenani | But it's to heavy (373MB) It just can upload files less than 300 MB in size |
| 20:48.24 | rhenani | How can i split the file to divide it and each file put it like 20 MB each |
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| 20:48.39 | rhenani | so i can upload them one by one in dropbox >.>? |
| 20:48.46 | smugglerinc | hrmm |
| 20:48.52 | Riviera | Should not dropbox do that anyway? |
| 20:48.56 | smugglerinc | I think I did that once |
| 20:49.00 | Riviera | It usually processes files in chunks. |
| 20:49.02 | jair | nop |
| 20:49.09 | Riviera | Anyway, you can use the split command to split files. |
| 20:49.12 | Riviera | jair: no? |
| 20:49.12 | ignite | man split |
| 20:49.12 | rhenani | Riviera: No u.u! |
| 20:49.15 | jordanm | rhenani: split -b 20480 <file> |
| 20:49.20 | jair | right :) |
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| 20:49.29 | rhenani | jordanm: =O!!!! |
| 20:49.34 | Riviera | jair: damn! |
| 20:49.35 | Riviera | 8) |
| 20:49.40 | jair | jordanm: is that a command you can run for any type of file? |
| 20:49.52 | smugglerinc | appears to be |
| 20:49.54 | jordanm | split works for any type of file, yes |
| 20:49.55 | Riviera | yes |
| 20:50.43 | jair | so the file I have is 500MB and I want to split it in 20MB each :) --->split -b 20480 <file> |
| 20:51.22 | smugglerinc | Brilliant |
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| 20:52.41 | Riviera | Hmm. But but but. Google says I'm right and dropbox is actually uploading chunks. |
| 20:52.44 | Riviera | Did this change? |
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| 20:52.57 | Riviera | Well, nevermind it's #debian after all. I'll bother #dropbox .) |
| 20:53.07 | smugglerinc | Yay #dropbox! |
| 20:53.38 | smugglerinc | Anyone here work with pulseaudio? |
| 20:54.05 | ompaul | smugglerinc: are you going to say something about skype? (just a guess) |
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| 20:54.41 | Norman_Bates | pulseaudio? here |
| 20:54.42 | smugglerinc | Very very indirectly. |
| 20:54.55 | smugglerinc | I can't use my headphones. |
| 20:55.07 | gena2x | use alsa |
| 20:55.28 | Norman_Bates | gena2x, not realy helpful ! |
| 20:55.33 | smugglerinc | Can i straight up uninstall pulse to have the system auto correct? |
| 20:55.40 | gena2x | pulseaudio is only good for network audio distribution |
| 20:55.58 | Norman_Bates | gena2x, not really |
| 20:56.22 | gena2x | ok, ok i am dreaming :) |
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| 20:56.48 | Norman_Bates | smugglerinc, what´s wrong with your pulseaudio / headset ? |
| 20:56.49 | boudiccas | so tomorrow i do a reinstall with a manual partition such as ... / = 10g, usr = 10g, var = 5g, tmp = 500mb, tmpfs = 500mb, boot = 500ms, home = remainder ........ does that sound sensible??? |
| 20:57.20 | Norman_Bates | boudiccas, 10gb root ^^ waste of space |
| 20:58.01 | boudiccas | Norman_Bates; how much should it be then ? 5g? |
| 20:58.03 | gena2x | tmp too small / -> /var |
| 20:58.09 | smugglerinc | Norman_Bates: When I plug in my headphones they are ignored and sound continues to come out of the primary speakers. Having checked the preferences and configuration I see nothing that would be out of place. |
| 20:58.11 | gena2x | 1g |
| 20:58.21 | rhenani | jordanm: and the command tu put them back together? |
| 20:58.23 | Norman_Bates | boudiccas, how big is your hdd ? |
| 20:58.38 | jordanm | rhenani: "cat" |
| 20:58.40 | jair | jordanm: it works nicelly :) |
| 20:58.40 | boudiccas | Norman_Bates; 160g |
| 20:59.01 | Norman_Bates | boudiccas, just one moment i will give you a table as suggsestion |
| 20:59.11 | Norman_Bates | smugglerinc, front audio ? |
| 20:59.32 | smugglerinc | Norman_Bates: Da |
| 20:59.38 | babilen | Norman_Bates: Just use LVM and you can adjust the sizes later on |
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| 21:00.03 | jair | jordanm: will it be cat file >> file1 file2 file3? |
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| 21:01.41 | jair | rhenani: it will be cat file1 file2 file3 .... >> full-file |
| 21:02.07 | jair | rhenani: it will be cat file1 file2 file3 .... > full-file |
| 21:02.42 | Norman_Bates | babilen, of course lvm |
| 21:03.07 | babilen | Norman_Bates: In that case: Proceed and have fun :) |
| 21:03.10 | Norman_Bates | smugglerinc, da ? means rus for yes ? |
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| 21:03.48 | smugglerinc | Yes, apologies |
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| 21:04.31 | rileyd | oh lordy lordy the rapture is coming :P , hey guys. |
| 21:04.48 | smugglerinc | rileyd: I'm excitide |
| 21:04.50 | Norman_Bates | should work -- my gf uses pulseaudio @ debian squeeze amd64 with frontaudio |
| 21:05.11 | rileyd | anyone know of a webcam configuration utility? like noise cancellation etc |
| 21:05.24 | Norman_Bates | maybe it´s not connected well ? |
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| 21:05.33 | rileyd | its internal it just sucks |
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| 21:06.49 | rileyd | like i know cheese has hue and saturation and all that is there a global utility? |
| 21:07.13 | smugglerinc | Norman_Bates: If it should work then I am just even more confused. My setup seems to be the same as hers. |
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| 21:10.14 | bw123 | ok tell me one more time how to change a service from running at bootup, do i just delete the script in init.d and run update-rc.d? |
| 21:10.22 | Norman_Bates | I would check your internal setup first |
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| 21:11.00 | slooth | Hello. I have got bootable Linux cd (not debian or its' derivatives) and I want to install debian online, without burning another cd. Is this possible? If so, can someone point me to the right place? Thanks in advance. |
| 21:11.03 | smugglerinc | Where would I check that? asound.conf? |
| 21:11.26 | Norman_Bates | smugglerinc, means the front-audio-panel maybe is not connected correctly |
| 21:11.52 | smugglerinc | slooth: Usb disk is only option for that front |
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| 21:12.36 | smugglerinc | Norman_Bates: Oh! Thats an applet. I do not believe I am using an applet with such a name, |
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| 21:13.57 | Norman_Bates | smugglerinc, what applet ? |
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| 21:14.17 | smugglerinc | Norman_Bates: front-audio-panel. |
| 21:15.13 | Norman_Bates | no applet --- the jack at the front of your pc ^^ is called frontpanel |
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| 21:16.03 | smugglerinc | Norman_Bates: Ah, On a laptop. |
| 21:16.07 | bw123 | slooth: debian.org >getdebian >netinstaller |
| 21:16.16 | Norman_Bates | if you plug-in your headset in the mostly green jack the internal speaker-jack should be disabled whether pulsaudio or not |
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| 21:16.44 | smugglerinc | Norman_Bates: Which is why I find this problem troubling. |
| 21:16.45 | slooth | bw123, I don't have a cd to burn them to .. |
| 21:16.59 | webad_13 | when I mount ntfs with: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/sdb2 /mnt/sdb2 all of my mounted files are executable - how can I only restrict executability to the folders? |
| 21:17.11 | smugglerinc | slooth: I think burning to a usb device is a possiblity |
| 21:17.15 | bw123 | slooth: why not install from live cd |
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| 21:17.31 | slooth | bw123, I have no idea how. How should I? |
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| 21:17.54 | \amethyst | webad_13: use a separate fmask and dmask |
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| 21:18.27 | bw123 | slooth: put in debian live and reboot, i think you can probably download the live installer too, but I would run it from a separate partition for sure |
| 21:18.35 | katspaugh | \amethyst: Thanks! How to log the nobody's daemon then? |
| 21:18.56 | slooth | bw123, I don't have Debian LIVE cd.. I have another distro. Thank you, however. |
| 21:18.57 | bw123 | *i meant download the net installer |
| 21:19.00 | Norman_Bates | smugglerinc, sry ... I also use pulseaudio on my notebook and never had problems ... take a look at the pulseaudio tools |
| 21:19.12 | \amethyst | katspaugh: you can write to syslog. If it's a shell script, use 'logger'; if a C program, syslog() |
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| 21:19.25 | smugglerinc | bw123: I think he lacks a fresh disc to use for a new installer. |
| 21:19.28 | Jonneh | Hey Debiaqn guys! |
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| 21:19.31 | Jonneh | Debian even! |
| 21:19.36 | katspaugh | \amethyst: OK, thank you! |
| 21:19.40 | \amethyst | katspaugh: you can also write to /tmp if you really needed to and there's nothing sensitive in the logs |
| 21:19.46 | smugglerinc | Norman_Bates: Alright. Thanks for contemplating the problem with me. |
| 21:19.57 | Norman_Bates | smugglerinc, there are some options like simultaniously playback ... |
| 21:20.07 | Jonneh | Anyone know how to get usb speakers to work with ALSA on Squeeze? Having trouble getting sound to playback. |
| 21:20.10 | \amethyst | katspaugh: but anything running as 'nobody' would be able to delete or manipulate the logs |
| 21:20.20 | bw123 | well run the net installer from a usb |
| 21:20.29 | Norman_Bates | smugglerinc, nothing to thanks for ;) I couldn´t help you sry... |
| 21:20.40 | katspaugh | \amethyst: I see, an option anyway. |
| 21:21.12 | smugglerinc | Norman_Bates: Last question, are the tools in their own package? I dont see them in my menu. |
| 21:21.20 | Jonneh | ? |
| 21:21.55 | webad_13 | \amethyst: thank you |
| 21:22.17 | Jonneh | Anyone have a good ALSA resource for setting up USB audio devices? |
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| 21:22.40 | Norman_Bates | smugglerinc, checkout -- paman, pavucontrol, paprefs packages |
| 21:23.03 | smugglerinc | Norman_Bates: Thank you |
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| 21:25.58 | webad_13 | \amethyst: actually one more question :)... when I do: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o nls=utf8,fmask=0113,dmask=0002 /dev/sdb2 /mnt/sdb2... Why is also write permission given for the files? |
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| 21:26.46 | else- | anyone knows how i can read out the data from a barcode scanner? it emulates a keyboard |
| 21:26.58 | else- | i mean is there any special device or something |
| 21:27.13 | webad_13 | \amethyst: sorry why is there write permission for the directories |
| 21:27.49 | bw123 | ok you guys should have told me not to fool with update-rc.d |
| 21:28.12 | smugglerinc | bw123: What did your break? I use it frequently |
| 21:28.18 | ompaul | when you break a machine you sometimes get to pieces ;-) |
| 21:28.24 | Bushmills | bw123: don't stick you tongue into the power supply of your computer |
| 21:28.28 | ompaul | and keep them |
| 21:28.44 | ompaul | bw123: at a guess you might want to say what you did |
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| 21:29.28 | Norman_Bates | webad_13, add some -o ro to your line |
| 21:29.37 | bw123 | i didn't do anything except man update-rc.d |
| 21:29.41 | smugglerinc | Ah good! |
| 21:29.46 | \amethyst | webad_13: that shouldn't give world-write, only user- and group- |
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| 21:30.42 | Norman_Bates | webad_13, "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdx1 /mnt/ntfs_disk -o ro ... " << something like that |
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| 21:30.56 | dym | Hey, im backing up my entire hostinglandscape to one backup server. im thinking of how to failsafe this machine. maybe 1:1 mirroring to another server? any suggestions? |
| 21:31.04 | \amethyst | webad_13: (where user and group are presumably root, since you're running it under sudo and aren't specifying uid= or gid= |
| 21:31.07 | bw123 | i think i can use this to stop a script from running at boot >update-rc.d -f badprog remove |
| 21:31.07 | \amethyst | ) |
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| 21:32.03 | \amethyst | bw123: I'd use 'disable' instead |
| 21:32.19 | \amethyst | bw123: that way if it does get started, changing runlevels will still stop it |
| 21:32.33 | webad_13 | \amethyst: it is probably that I am not understanding how it works... I thought since dmask is read only that I could not write to folder. And user is myself not root... |
| 21:33.21 | bw123 | \amethyst you mean if i start it myself changing runlevel will stop it again with disable? hmm that's cool |
| 21:33.26 | \amethyst | webad_13: odd, you shouldn't be able to write unless you're in root's group |
| 21:33.36 | \amethyst | webad_13: what does ls -ld say about one of the directories? |
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| 21:34.27 | \amethyst | bw123: also, if you delete the links with -f remove, they will be recreated next time you upgrade the package |
| 21:34.27 | webad_13 | \amethyst: drwx------ |
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| 21:34.36 | \amethyst | webad_13: and the owner and group? |
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| 21:34.48 | webad_13 | myusername myusername |
| 21:34.55 | \amethyst | webad_13: oh, there you go |
| 21:34.59 | bw123 | looks like i have a lot of reading to do thanks for the help |
| 21:35.14 | webad_13 | ? |
| 21:35.31 | \amethyst | webad_13: it's owned by you for some reason, so you can write it |
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| 21:35.39 | dusf | do i have to do something to boot from the live image other than copy the *.img, *.log, *.packages, and *.list files to my fat32 formatted usb drive? |
| 21:35.58 | Norman_Bates | webad_13, why not mount it readonly ? with "-o ro" |
| 21:36.10 | \amethyst | webad_13: if you want to make it owned by root instead, it sounds like you'll need uid=0,gid=0 in your options; or to use 'ro' as Norman_Bates suggested |
| 21:36.40 | webad_13 | \amethyst: I created a mounting point folder and made myself the owner |
| 21:37.05 | Jonneh | Anyone able to assist with ALSA problems while using a pair of usb speakers? |
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| 21:37.20 | webad_13 | Norman_Bates: it is not actually what I am trying to do, I am just wondering why I had write priviledges when I specified in dmask that I wanted read only |
| 21:37.39 | \amethyst | webad_13: is your fs actually mounted? |
| 21:37.44 | webad_13 | Norman_Bates: just making sure that I understand it and that it works properly |
| 21:37.52 | webad_13 | \amethyst: yes it is |
| 21:37.53 | smugglerinc | dusf: yes, You need to write the files to the disk rahter then drag and drop them |
| 21:38.08 | \amethyst | webad_13: then the permissions/owner of the mount point shouldn't matter |
| 21:39.17 | smugglerinc | dusf: What OS are you currently in? |
| 21:39.17 | dusf | smugglerinc: please recommend a program i can do this with on xubuntu |
| 21:39.25 | webad_13 | \amethyst: I c.... then I don't really get why it is not: root root when I mount this... this should be default right? |
| 21:39.35 | boudiccas | does debian 6 allow you to do a customised partiition when doing an install? i.e. i choose the size of boot, /, usr/, opt/ var/, swap, and /home please? |
| 21:39.41 | dusf | smugglerinc: xubuntu, and i have unetbootin if that will do it |
| 21:39.48 | \amethyst | webad_13: it should be, since you are running 'mount' as root |
| 21:39.50 | dusf | used that earlier for somethign else but i think it does something with syslinux |
| 21:40.02 | webad_13 | boudiccas: of course |
| 21:40.09 | \amethyst | webad_13: ntfs-3g uses the uid and gid of the current process by default, which should be root in that case |
| 21:40.13 | smugglerinc | dusf: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb THis instructions might be of some assistance to you. I am afraid I cannot healp that Much due to not doing a usb boot before. |
| 21:40.31 | dusf | smugglerinc: ty friend |
| 21:40.48 | webad_13 | \amethyst: then it is definitelly wierd |
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| 21:41.09 | boudiccas | webad_13; theres no 'of course', i'm just checking in advance of trying |
| 21:41.34 | smugglerinc | boudiccas: Smart |
| 21:41.41 | \amethyst | dusf: you just need to write the .img file (or the .iso: the debian ones work on USB too) directly to the disk |
| 21:42.07 | \amethyst | dusf: something like sudo cat debian-live-squeeze-i386-gnome-desktop.img > /dev/sdc |
| 21:42.31 | \amethyst | dusf: where 'sdc' is the device for your USB stick (you can do ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/usb-* to be sure) |
| 21:42.47 | webad_13 | boudiccas: there is no reason why they would kick out such an important aspect of installation in 6.... it was directed towards 6 specifically. no offecne meant but it is really of course |
| 21:43.17 | dusf | \amethyst: you mean drive rather than disc right? |
| 21:43.34 | \amethyst | dusf: right |
| 21:43.38 | \amethyst | dusf: stick :) |
| 21:43.50 | \amethyst | dusf: (but the directory is still /dev/disk/by-id/ ) |
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| 21:44.12 | smugglerinc | \amethyst: Interesting solution. If I was going towards that approach I would have attempted using dd if=debian-live-squeeze-i386-gnome-desktop.img of=/dev/sdc |
| 21:44.27 | dusf | \amethyst: thanks, trying with netbootin right now but have what you said logged |
| 21:44.27 | \amethyst | smugglerinc: dd does the write in 512-byte chunks by default |
| 21:44.33 | \amethyst | smugglerinc: which can make it very slow |
| 21:44.48 | smugglerinc | \amethyst: Ah! Cat it is! |
| 21:44.49 | \amethyst | smugglerinc: you should at least use something like bs=64k |
| 21:44.53 | Jonneh | That was very unhelpful. |
| 21:45.05 | Jonneh | If I had found the solution on debian.org, I wouldn't be asking here. |
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| 21:45.32 | ignite | Does anyone know how to change what program "gnome-open "file:///..." opens with? It's set to VLC somehow. |
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| 21:47.50 | _ARMA_ | why i can't remove Ekiga Softphone via Software Center / Installed Software? |
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| 21:48.44 | smugglerinc | I think it is bundled closely to gnome. |
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| 21:49.24 | _ARMA_ | Empathy too? |
| 21:49.33 | _ARMA_ | and Epiphany web browser? |
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| 21:49.38 | _ARMA_ | but i never use them. |
| 21:50.36 | smugglerinc | I believe so. Might be able to get around that by installing a clean copy of gnome. |
| 21:50.39 | Bushmills | why did you install them, if you don't use them? |
| 21:50.43 | nslutje | Who knows alot about CUPS |
| 21:50.58 | Bushmills | nslutje: the authors |
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| 21:51.05 | nslutje | DOH |
| 21:51.11 | _ARMA_ | Bushmills: I didnt' install them of course, they all comes with the Debian installation. |
| 21:51.19 | _ARMA_ | ok, not a big deal. |
| 21:51.31 | nslutje | it's web interface keeps asking about Username and PW |
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| 21:51.41 | smugglerinc | _ARMA_: Its mildly annoying I agree. |
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| 21:51.44 | MrFrood | nslutje: try ##cups |
| 21:51.47 | Bushmills | _ARMA_: "come with debian installation" means, debian installed itself, without your doing? |
| 21:52.17 | Bushmills | funny. last time i installed, i had to select what i wanted to install |
| 21:52.31 | nslutje | yeah... the're like 20 sleeping people inthere |
| 21:52.35 | Bushmills | must be policy change. "dump everything on hard disk" |
| 21:53.54 | Bushmills | nslutje: add yourself to the lpadmin group |
| 21:54.12 | \amethyst | _ARMA_: those are part of gnome (gnome-desktop-environment for Ekiga and Empathy, gnome-core for epiphany). You can remove them if you uninstall gnome and install only the parts of it that you want |
| 21:54.16 | Bushmills | nslutje: reading cups doc suggests that too. |
| 21:54.49 | _ARMA_ | \amethyst: too much for me, i'm new to linux. ok they can stay there. silent. :) |
| 21:54.51 | _ARMA_ | ty. |
| 21:54.59 | nslutje | Bushmills: I did |
| 21:55.12 | smugglerinc | _ARMA_: You can remove them from the menu! :D |
| 21:55.13 | nslutje | Bushmills: worked once |
| 21:55.25 | _ARMA_ | smugglerinc: :D true. |
| 21:56.17 | nslutje | Bushmills: I found something about CUPS only accepting the ROOT, but it's disabled and I'd like to keep it that way |
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| 21:57.08 | rileyd | so say i wanted to install libgtk1.2 but its not available in the squeeze repo.... |
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| 21:57.47 | Bushmills | never had that or heard of that before, that after putting a user into lpadmin, only once he can login. was he removed from lpadmin group in your case after having logged in once? |
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| 21:58.21 | \amethyst | rileyd: you might be able to install the lenny package, depending on its dependencies |
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| 21:59.07 | \amethyst | rileyd: in this case you'd also need libgtk1.2-common and libglib1.2ldbl from lenny |
| 21:59.34 | \amethyst | rileyd: you can either download the .debs by hand, or add an entry for lenny to your sources.list and do aptitude install libgtk1.2/lenny |
| 21:59.59 | rileyd | hmmm well im not sure itll help much.. im a vlogger so im trying to find a way to get more functionality out of my webcam like i had in the windows utilities |
| 22:00.20 | rileyd | seems like the uvcvideo module is pretty neutered |
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| 22:00.31 | Bushmills | rileyd: like, effects? |
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| 22:01.00 | rileyd | well main thing im looking for is noise cancellation |
| 22:01.09 | rileyd | image is grainy on stock settings |
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| 22:01.53 | rileyd | also the webcams resolution is normally fully capable of 640x480 but it lags terribly on linux at that res |
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| 22:02.09 | rileyd | so im thinking the driver is just too generic |
| 22:02.13 | ode | hid3, does anyone know if the netinst cd will automatically align ssds correctly when installing? |
| 22:03.04 | rileyd | always the small details with linux *sigh* |
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| 22:03.20 | rileyd | ode: define "align" |
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| 22:04.03 | JohnTortugo | does anyone here already run debian on bochs? |
| 22:05.03 | ode | rileyd: http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?54379-Linux-Tips-tweaks-and-alignment&p=373226#post373226 |
| 22:05.07 | phorce1 | Can someone tell me why I get "no route to host" for 192.0.0.192 with this routing setup? --- http://paste.debian.net/117576 (or point me to the place to ask -- #netfilter??) |
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| 22:05.59 | ode | I can do it manually with fdisk, I just thought the installer may do it for me now that ssd's have been out for a while |
| 22:06.16 | rileyd | hmmm im not sure if the installer will do that |
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| 22:06.26 | rileyd | would probably be better to do it manually anyway |
| 22:06.29 | Miesco | Okay so how do I install a package from wheezy? |
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| 22:07.42 | JohnTortugo | I'm booting debian image (netinst) on bochs but it 'freezy' after the first interation. Does anyone have a guess on this? |
| 22:07.46 | bw123 | phorce1: i think 192. requires three matching so 192.0.0 isn't the same net as 192.168.2 |
| 22:07.53 | Miesco | ,version nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 22:08.10 | \amethyst | bw123: but he has a route for that host specifically |
| 22:08.13 | Miesco | nvidia-installer-cleanup | nvidia-common |
| 22:08.24 | \amethyst | phorce1: any firewall rules? iptable -n -L |
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| 22:08.31 | \amethyst | phorce1: iptables rather |
| 22:08.39 | Miesco | I need those, apt-get -b testing nvidia-installer-cleanup? |
| 22:08.44 | phorce1 | bw123: static routing should work regardless |
| 22:08.59 | bw123 | hmmm default gateway is on 192.168.2 i am having the same trouble with my home lan |
| 22:09.20 | phorce1 | \amethyst: no FW rules on this box |
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| 22:10.02 | bw123 | i tried 10.0.0 instead but still haven't straightened it out |
| 22:10.10 | Miesco | How do I install something from wheezy? |
| 22:10.16 | Miesco | I have the deb-src line |
| 22:10.17 | phorce1 | I'm trying to configure a stupid JetDirext EX Plus3 and it's killing me |
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| 22:10.20 | \amethyst | phorce1: what's the IP address of your eth1? |
| 22:10.36 | phorce1 | \amethyst: 192.168.2.1 |
| 22:10.53 | \amethyst | phorce1: hm, that might be the problem |
| 22:10.55 | bw123 | does lft 192.0.0.192 show anything? |
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| 22:11.09 | Miesco | I don't have X drivers so I can't google |
| 22:11.33 | Miesco | !backports |
| 22:11.33 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:11.33 | babilen | !tell Miesco -about ssb |
| 22:11.39 | rileyd | eh im bored imma upgrade to sid |
| 22:11.42 | rileyd | :D |
| 22:12.09 | Miesco | babilen: Didn't work |
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| 22:12.42 | Miesco | !simple sid backport |
| 22:12.42 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 22:12.51 | DelphiWorld | yo friends |
| 22:13.01 | DelphiWorld | how do i install all packages starting with "php"? |
| 22:13.02 | babilen | Miesco: I don't believe you! Please prove it by pasting the entire session to a pastebin and by explaining what you've done and what you are trying to achieve. Please also /msg the bot |
| 22:13.03 | phorce1 | customer on phone I'll be slow |
| 22:13.05 | DelphiWorld | for example php5-x |
| 22:13.14 | DelphiWorld | mean all starting with php5-... |
| 22:13.22 | \amethyst | DelphiWorld: aptitude install '~nphp5-.*' |
| 22:13.26 | \amethyst | err |
| 22:13.29 | \amethyst | DelphiWorld: aptitude install '~n^php5-.*' |
| 22:13.30 | Miesco | babilen: No the bot didn't message me the message you tried to make it send |
| 22:14.00 | bw123 | very carefully you might get the php5bootsectorwiper like that |
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| 22:14.07 | babilen | Miesco: Ah, not quite sure why that didn't work :) |
| 22:14.18 | DelphiWorld | yo babilen :) |
| 22:14.27 | babilen | o/ |
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| 22:14.51 | phorce1 | bw123: lft output ---> http://paste.debian.net/117578 |
| 22:14.53 | babilen | DelphiWorld: "aptitude install '~n^php'" |
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| 22:15.25 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Ah, \amethyst already answered that ... I thought you were trying to get my attention :) |
| 22:15.27 | DelphiWorld | babilen: ^^^ |
| 22:15.34 | phorce1 | \amethyst: the jetdirect is plugged into the 192.168.2.254 router |
| 22:15.40 | rileyd | go go gadget unstable! |
| 22:15.44 | DelphiWorld | babilen: that was just a ping from me :-) |
| 22:15.48 | babilen | sure |
| 22:15.50 | babilen | :) |
| 22:16.08 | \amethyst | phorce1: the jetdirect is configures for ip 192.0.0.192 and what netmask? |
| 22:16.18 | \amethyst | s/ures/ured/ |
| 22:16.34 | DelphiWorld | thank \amethyst too much |
| 22:16.40 | Miesco | What repository is this package in? nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 22:17.01 | phorce1 | \amethyst: document doesn't say what netmask. Hust that the default IP after a hard reset is 192.0.0.192 |
| 22:17.12 | somiaj | Miesco: if its installed on your system you can use dpkg -S filename, you can also use apt-file to search for files or use packages.debian.org |
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| 22:17.43 | DelphiWorld | babilen, debian... the port 80 of the internet :) |
| 22:17.45 | \amethyst | phorce1: wait, the computer and the printer are both plugged into a router, not a switch? |
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| 22:18.07 | \amethyst | phorce1: then the router is probably not allowing packets to go to 192.0.0.0 since that's outside of the network it's configured for |
| 22:18.14 | somiaj | Miesco: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 22:18.38 | bw123 | try routel too |
| 22:18.58 | phorce1 | \amethyst: duhhh |
| 22:19.01 | phorce1 | facepalm |
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| 22:19.37 | \amethyst | phorce1: but you can't just configure it for 192.0.0.0/8 because there are real IP addresses in that range |
| 22:19.49 | \amethyst | so hopefully your router can do two different IP blocks on the same wire |
| 22:20.18 | Miesco | somiaj: So its in sid? |
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| 22:20.42 | somiaj | Miesco: seems so, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:20.55 | phorce1 | \amethyst: or I can go dig out a laptop and plug it into a switch <sigh> |
| 22:20.58 | somiaj | Miesco: it will give easy instructions on grabing the source and compling it for stable |
| 22:21.11 | nslutje | Anyone here knows something about CUPS webinterface? |
| 22:21.22 | \amethyst | phorce1: or get a crossover cable |
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| 22:21.38 | phorce1 | farking HP. Why not use a 192.168.x.x address like everyone else |
| 22:22.05 | phorce1 | \amethyst: I'd have to build a crossover. I have laptops and switches in boxes. |
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| 22:22.39 | \amethyst | phorce1: then the two-cables-plus-a-switch crossover cable is reasonable :) |
| 22:22.48 | phorce1 | (I think my crimper is at the house anyway since I'm doing some rewiring there) |
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| 22:23.28 | phorce1 | on my one day off each week |
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| 22:24.37 | \amethyst | JohnTortugo: if [ "$GLUSTER_SERVE_IP" = "gluster1" ] |
| 22:24.39 | \amethyst | doh |
| 22:24.45 | \amethyst | JohnTortugo: sorry, wrong channel, wrong tab-complete |
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| 22:31.45 | Miesco | I did a aptitude build-dep packagename, but packagename says it depends on something not in squeeze... |
| 22:34.28 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: lynx is a console based browser that works fine with google. |
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| 22:34.42 | themill | Miesco: what are you trying to backport? |
| 22:35.05 | Jonneh | So I've got my usb speakers working with aplay as the default, but other programs don't seem to recognize them. What do I need to change? |
| 22:35.11 | jhutchins_lt | themill: nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 22:35.11 | somiaj | Miesco: then you'll have to backport the depends. I was hoping that the package you watned was mostly a simple script. |
| 22:35.23 | bw123 | easy way to find mountable devices in /dev? |
| 22:36.14 | Miesco | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/117579/ |
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| 22:37.18 | somiaj | Miesco: Are you trying to backport the whole nvidia driver? |
| 22:37.48 | themill | Miesco: please always show the command you gave as well as the entire output in the pastebin |
| 22:38.29 | Miesco | themill: dpkg --install *.deb 2>&1 | pastebinit |
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| 22:38.40 | Miesco | somiaj: Yea |
| 22:38.53 | Miesco | somiaj: My card is too new for squeeze's drivers |
| 22:39.07 | somiaj | Miesco: And what *deb are you trying to install.....what source packages are you making a backport of |
| 22:39.33 | themill | tries to reconcile this information with what jhutchins_lt said |
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| 22:39.41 | Jonneh | Audio card works with aplay once default device was set, but nothing for system. |
| 22:39.47 | Miesco | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/117580/ |
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| 22:40.26 | jhutchins_lt | themill: He complained of being unable to google because he didn't have X. |
| 22:40.27 | Miesco | somiaj: I did aptitude build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 22:40.35 | somiaj | Miesco: also you won't need to install every *deb from the source depending on your setup. Look like you need to make a backport of nvidia-graphics-drivers and nvidia-support |
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| 22:41.42 | Miesco | somiaj: Okay |
| 22:42.16 | Miesco | somiaj: Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: debhelper ( 8.1.0~). |
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| 22:43.51 | Miesco | This isn't going to work |
| 22:44.11 | somiaj | Miesco: check the version of debhelper, in squeeze its only 8.0.0 -- so yes there is a lot you have to do to backport those drivers. Have you looked for backports? |
| 22:44.37 | Miesco | I guess i'll have to wait till nvidia 270.41.06 comes to squeeze before I use X |
| 22:44.55 | Miesco | somiaj: I looked for the drivers in backports |
| 22:44.57 | somiaj | why do you need 270.41.06? What card do you have? |
| 22:45.10 | Miesco | somiaj: GTX 560 TI |
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| 22:45.36 | buntunub | you can always upgrade to sid and get the 270 driver |
| 22:45.56 | somiaj | You can just run the install from nvidia.com -- seems the packages you are missing (causing you trouble) are just debian package management dependencies. this means you won't be able to use dpkg/apt to install/uninstall but you can get the drivers. |
| 22:46.00 | Miesco | I'll just use the nvidia website's drivers for now |
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| 22:46.42 | somiaj | Miesco: another option, nvidia-common the package your missing in sid only requirees debconf >= 0.5 which you have |
| 22:47.05 | somiaj | Miesco: you could just install the sid version of that package with out hurting any of your stable libs. |
| 22:47.08 | Miesco | somiaj: nvidia.com is undergoing maintenance... |
| 22:47.53 | Miesco | somiaj: I also need nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 22:47.56 | somiaj | Miesco: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-common -- just download that deb, your debconf meets the version |
| 22:48.00 | somiaj | Miesco: no you need one or the other |
| 22:48.11 | Miesco | oh okay! |
| 22:48.25 | somiaj | Miesco: I'd just isntall the nvidia-install-cleanup (it provides nvidia-common) |
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| 22:52.32 | Miesco | I think its working! |
| 22:52.41 | Miesco | shit |
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| 22:54.55 | Miesco | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/117581 |
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| 22:55.37 | _ARMA_ | Inconsolata font doesn't seem good on Debian, any ideas? |
| 22:57.08 | Miesco | I need this? lib32vdpau1 |
| 22:57.30 | somiaj | Miesco: I don't have it installed, I think you installed more packages than you needed to. |
| 22:58.01 | somiaj | Miesco: I also don't use the nvidia-vdpau-driver |
| 22:58.12 | Miesco | somiaj: What is it? |
| 22:58.30 | somiaj | Miesco: apt-cache show nvidia-vpdau-driver |
| 22:58.30 | Miesco | somiaj: I just got these packages from buil-dep nvidia-graphics-driver |
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| 22:58.50 | somiaj | yes that source packages builds a lot of different packages that are not all used in your setup |
| 22:59.38 | Miesco | somiaj: N: Unable to locate package nvidia-vpdau-driver |
| 23:00.21 | Miesco | oh I spelled it wrong |
| 23:00.42 | somiaj | actually I had a typo...(a bit dyslixic here) |
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| 23:01.32 | morphic | yeah!!!!! |
| 23:01.46 | Miesco | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/117582 |
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| 23:03.20 | Miesco | somiaj: Do I also need that alternatives package? |
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| 23:05.14 | Miesco | There's nvidia-alternatives and nvidia-alternatives-ia32 |
| 23:05.28 | Miesco | What is ia32? |
| 23:05.51 | Miesco | cp *ia32* noneed/ |
| 23:05.57 | somiaj | Miesco: yes, you'll want both. You'll have to fix this error "update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1 doesn't exist." |
| 23:06.20 | Miesco | somiaj: The ia32 versions also? |
| 23:06.25 | somiaj | its the 32bit version of the driver so if you wanted to run a 32bit program against those drivers (wine and games is common use of this) |
| 23:06.37 | Miesco | okay |
| 23:07.21 | somiaj | Miesco: do you have the finle /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so ? |
| 23:07.53 | somiaj | Miesco: or any flie name like that with .1 or .1.2 appeneded at the end |
| 23:08.00 | Miesco | somiaj: I have libGL.so.1 libglx.so |
| 23:09.17 | Miesco | somiaj: Should I just do rm -rf /usr/lib/nvidia? |
| 23:09.18 | somiaj | Miesco: is libGL.so.1 a dead link? It points to libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2 here |
| 23:09.54 | somiaj | Miesco: either way figure out why that package isn't installing and fix it. |
| 23:09.58 | Miesco | somiaj: Yea they are both dead links |
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| 23:11.15 | Miesco | Okay lets see if this works |
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| 23:12.19 | Miesco | I'ma do apt-file search libGL.so.1 |
| 23:12.30 | Miesco | I will reinstall the package that makes that |
| 23:12.47 | somiaj | its made by the package that failed to install.... |
| 23:13.50 | qop | Hey ho. question: is there any difference between LAN software and NOS software? like according to the deffinition they ssound like the same to me. Amanda is a NOS I guess but what about bittorrent |
| 23:16.43 | Miesco | somiaj: I dont know what to do |
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| 23:17.35 | simonlnu | sit down and have a coffee, and let your brain think, giving it to your unconcscious (i.e. let ideas bubble up from your unconscious) |
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| 23:17.48 | simonlnu | key is to not think of it consciously |
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| 23:19.08 | somiaj | Miesco: Can you just dpkg -i the one package that didn't create the right diversions. dpkg -i libgl1-nvidia-alternatives<file>.dpkg |
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| 23:19.29 | Miesco | somiaj: no |
| 23:20.10 | ira_gershwin | anyone know if it's possible to display window dimensions during resize using compiz? |
| 23:20.15 | ira_gershwin | in the same way metacity does |
| 23:20.18 | Miesco | wait |
| 23:20.28 | simonlnu | .deb |
| 23:21.16 | Miesco | somiaj: I'm purging some packages |
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| 23:22.42 | Miesco | somiaj: :S |
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| 23:26.17 | Raptors | Does anyone have any experience running the 6670 on debian? |
| 23:26.21 | Raptors | with wine? |
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| 23:27.27 | PhoenixSTF | Raptors, the what? |
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| 23:28.00 | Raptors | ATI (AMD) 6670 graphics card |
| 23:28.06 | Miesco | somiaj: I think I might of got it |
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| 23:28.20 | Miesco | YES!! |
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| 23:28.28 | zezikaro | How do you uninstall a bunch of programs? |
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| 23:28.50 | Miesco | somiaj: I just had to reinstall 'libgl1-mesa-glx' Good thing I had another computer with X so I could google |
| 23:29.11 | simonlnu | aptitude install w3m link2 |
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| 23:29.16 | simonlnu | links2* |
| 23:29.59 | somiaj | zezikaro: what do you mean by bunch, aptitude uninstall and apt-get uninstall will take out any package in a list and anything that depends on it |
| 23:30.19 | dvs | Raptors: That card is far too new for Debian 6.0 |
| 23:30.20 | themill | s/uninstall/remove/ |
| 23:30.55 | PhoenixSTF | Raptors, well you only need the drivers installed, the rest with wine is completly appart it uses the grafic card but its isent something you have to say to wine |
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| 23:31.21 | zezikaro | somiaj: So if i have apt-get install mono mono-gmcs mono-gac mono-utils monodevelop monodoc-browser monodevelop-nunit monodevelop-versioncontrol originally |
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| 23:31.27 | zezikaro | I just do apt-get uninstall *everything before* |
| 23:32.13 | zezikaro | E: Invalid operation uninstall |
| 23:32.15 | simonlnu | --purge remove (to remove conf files too) not uninstall |
| 23:32.59 | Miesco | How do I tell if i'm using my graphics card? |
| 23:33.07 | somiaj | zezikaro: sorry its remove...my bad..): |
| 23:33.11 | pipeline | Miesco: glxinfo | grep irect, should say: direct rendering: yes |
| 23:33.40 | somiaj | zezikaro: it won't remove any dependencies you brought in. But there is an 'autoremove' to take out any libs you brought in that you no longer need |
| 23:33.46 | PhoenixSTF | Raptors, if you are trying to run any kind of games in wine, its not easy, it has a lot of API issues and D3dx but its problably better to talk in #winehq |
| 23:34.15 | Miesco | pipeline: It does. How do I know its not my i5's intel HD 3000 graphics processor? |
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| 23:34.44 | Miesco | In kinfocenter, it says 3D Accelerator unknown |
| 23:34.45 | zezikaro | Removing asp.net2-examples ... dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 23:34.46 | zezikaro | o.o |
| 23:34.55 | simonlnu | wtf |
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| 23:35.18 | simonlnu | uh, memory issues... not a lot of ram? |
| 23:35.24 | zezikaro | 128 ram |
| 23:35.26 | zezikaro | </3 |
| 23:35.40 | zezikaro | when i retry I get E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 23:35.40 | Miesco | I guess its working. My first graphics card the gtx 560 ti, it sucks :/ |
| 23:35.41 | zezikaro | lol |
| 23:35.56 | simonlnu | shouldn't matter. do you have swap? |
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| 23:36.04 | zezikaro | yea |
| 23:36.10 | simonlnu | actually, it might if you don't have swap. |
| 23:36.12 | zezikaro | Not sure how much |
| 23:36.15 | zezikaro | might be 256, but i doubt it |
| 23:36.16 | Miesco | I thought I would be able to play CS: source with all the video settings pimped up |
| 23:36.20 | simonlnu | swapon -g |
| 23:36.20 | zezikaro | when i view it i think i get 0 swap |
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| 23:36.29 | simonlnu | ^^ should tell you |
| 23:36.30 | Miesco | I can't, not even with a 1GIG ram video card |
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| 23:36.45 | simonlnu | might have to do: /sbin/swapon |
| 23:36.49 | Miesco | I can't even run xscreensaver screensavers with the gtx 560 ti |
| 23:36.57 | zezikaro | swapon -g swapon: invalid option -- 'g' |
| 23:37.01 | zezikaro | :( |
| 23:37.04 | Miesco | I can, but they are slow if I change the settings for them |
| 23:37.16 | simonlnu | er, -s, sorry |
| 23:37.30 | simonlnu | (i was thinking of nscd...) |
| 23:37.31 | zezikaro | swapon -s Filename Type Size Used Priority |
| 23:37.35 | zezikaro | doesn't say anything |
| 23:37.54 | pipeline | Miesco: well, unless you have a macbook, it should be pretty obvious which card it is based upon which thin gyou are plugged into |
| 23:37.58 | simonlnu | then you don't. might want to do swapon -a as root to see if you do have any |
| 23:38.07 | simonlnu | ...and load it up |
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| 23:38.51 | pipeline | Miesco: it's possible that you are using the nouveau drivers instead of the nvidia proprietary. I didn't realize they supprted such new cards. You probably want to install the nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx from "experimental." Google "apt pinning for beginners" for a tutorial on how to mix experimental and your normal distribution. |
| 23:39.16 | fanderal | Squeeze with Phenom II x4 945... using cpufreq set at OnDemand... does dynamic CPU scaling just skip clock cycles or actually scale the CPU frequency? |
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| 23:39.35 | simonlnu | actual scaling |
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| 23:39.49 | fanderal | ahhh thank you! |
| 23:39.53 | simonlnu | (i.e. slow down/speed up clock) |
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| 23:40.16 | fanderal | works fine, just wanted to know for sure |
| 23:40.41 | fanderal | it would account for a temp drop of 5C |
| 23:41.07 | fanderal | thanks again |
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| 23:42.05 | Miesco | pipeline: I have nvidia installed with debian, I did all that sid stuff |
| 23:42.19 | Miesco | I can play 3d games at max video settings |
| 23:42.26 | Miesco | but not screensavers at max video settings |
| 23:42.58 | Miesco | wow maybe I can |
| 23:44.23 | Miesco | Wow this card is good lol |
| 23:44.55 | Norman_Bates | who uses screensaver ? isn´t that crap waste of resources today -- what about DPMS & co. ? |
| 23:45.28 | phorce1 | \amethyst: I'm beginning to suspect the jetdirect is toast. Even directly connected through a switch I get timeouts and failures <sigh> |
| 23:45.37 | Norman_Bates | fade2black to lock screen and poweroff to save energy |
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| 23:46.21 | ircguy | hello, I just upgraded to squeeze and mysql won't start anymore |
| 23:46.33 | themill | dpkg: tell ircguy about squeeze mysql |
| 23:46.56 | Norman_Bates | tell me too |
| 23:47.11 | karsten | Norman_Bates: /msg dpkg squeeze mysql |
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| 23:47.31 | Norman_Bates | -.- |
| 23:47.35 | cornair | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.39 | ircguy | thanks...that's interesting |
| 23:48.08 | Norman_Bates | ty |
| 23:48.10 | karsten | New Lenovo T520i, resuming from suspend/hibernate, I can get my X session back, but keyboard/mouse input doesn't seem to get picked up by my window manager. |
| 23:48.48 | karsten | That and a few other graphics issues (video, full screen w/ Flash, even partial w/ mplayer/xine) locks up the display as well, can't re-launch X, unable to acces framebuffer. |
| 23:49.44 | daemonkeeper | karsten: My girlfriend has serius trackpoint issues as well on her 410<something>. There seems to be a more general issue with it. |
| 23:50.11 | daemonkeeper | *serious |
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| 23:52.16 | ircguy | love those easy fixes, thanks for the pointer guys |
| 23:52.43 | karsten | daemonkeeper: That's not an isssue, thankfully, though I've disabled the trackpad and only use the stick. |
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| 23:52.52 | karsten | Graphices card (lspci): 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
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| 23:53.41 | zezikaro | is xsp the only way to get asp on debian? |
| 23:54.55 | karsten | matching drivers (from /var/log/Xorg.0.log) are intel, vesa, and fbdev. How do I tell which is actually used? |
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| 23:56.05 | thepro4ever | how can i see what my download rate is on debian? |
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| 23:56.20 | thepro4ever | i use to know how to get to it on windows |
| 23:56.30 | daemonkeeper | "download rate"? |
| 23:56.31 | thepro4ever | i'm just not familiar enough with how to check on debian |
| 23:56.44 | thepro4ever | yeah what my bandwith is for downloads through my isp |
| 23:56.58 | thepro4ever | like 25 Mbs |
| 23:57.00 | daemonkeeper | Look into your browser windw? |
| 23:57.01 | thepro4ever | blah blah |
| 23:57.04 | daemonkeeper | *window |
| 23:57.07 | thepro4ever | how |
| 23:57.28 | thepro4ever | i have a iceweasel window open, wehre can i find it |
| 23:57.33 | karsten | thepro4ever: speakeasy has a speed test URL. |
| 23:58.13 | bw123 | yeah i think it's speedtest.net |
| 23:58.49 | daemonkeeper | Not that this would be related to Debian. |
| 23:59.11 | bw123 | well debian downloads are faster |
| 23:59.14 | karsten | thepro4ever: iftop will also report speed stats. |
| 23:59.19 | daemonkeeper | If you actually meant bandwidth monitoring: More serious measurement utilities - iftop, slurm, iptraf, ... |
| 23:59.40 | thepro4ever | omg this is terrible speakeasy says 6.05 Mb download |
