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| 00:00.13 | bw123 | hey i am about to try and nuke some ntfs partitions... all i have to do is mke2fs -t ext4 /dev/DEV right? |
| 00:00.33 | thepro4ever | but my phone does fucking 26 Mbps wtf |
| 00:00.40 | thepro4ever | my phone has a faster connection |
| 00:00.53 | Jonneh | So I have an alsa device that works as the default audio device. Did the config and everything. However VLC will not output to it and if I force it, it freaks out. I've double checked and I have the latest versions of both. Help? |
| 00:00.59 | bw123 | difference between megabits and megabytes |
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| 00:01.49 | thepro4ever | bw123: the phone says 23 Mbps, speak easy for my debian box says 6.05 Mbps |
| 00:01.55 | thepro4ever | bw123: looks like the same units to me |
| 00:02.19 | Jonneh | anyone know anything on this? |
| 00:02.39 | daemonkeeper | bw123: Yes. |
| 00:02.59 | daemonkeeper | bw123: If you care, you can change the partition type |
| 00:03.01 | bw123 | yes on the mke2fs? |
| 00:03.07 | thepro4ever | bw123: i'm going through time warner cable with earthlink for my connection, i don't understand why my phone is four times faster than my cable modem connection |
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| 00:03.09 | daemonkeeper | Yes (again) |
| 00:03.10 | phorce1 | \amethyst: the activity light flashes a couple of times (on the jetdirect) so it is seeing the telnet request |
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| 00:03.23 | Jonneh | Please? >;p |
| 00:03.30 | bw123 | yeah i want rid of ntfs is that the right way to do it? |
| 00:03.54 | daemonkeeper | Again: Yes. Just format it with whatever you want instead. |
| 00:04.10 | bw123 | ok thanks |
| 00:04.32 | daemonkeeper | If you really care, you can change the partition type, but Linux does not care (much). |
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| 00:04.43 | bw123 | on the /dev not the mountpoint |
| 00:04.56 | daemonkeeper | In the partition table. |
| 00:05.07 | daemonkeeper | After formatting |
| 00:05.18 | karsten | Well, solved my prolbem. |
| 00:05.23 | karsten | Killed X and restarted it. |
| 00:05.26 | karsten | Not optimal |
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| 00:05.55 | Jonneh | ALSA is making me quite angry. |
| 00:06.15 | streuner | use somthing else then |
| 00:06.28 | Jonneh | streuner, you got any suggestions on what |
| 00:06.29 | Jonneh | ? |
| 00:06.41 | Jonneh | I didn't seen any real alternatives |
| 00:06.50 | dobby156 | why what is wrong with alsa? |
| 00:07.12 | Jonneh | Well, I finally got it to default to these usb speakers, but VLC refuses to acknoledge it. |
| 00:07.13 | daemonkeeper | OSS has still one or two supporters left! |
| 00:07.19 | Jonneh | acknowledge* |
| 00:07.30 | dobby156 | what's in your .asound? |
| 00:07.39 | simonlnu | .asoundrc |
| 00:07.45 | dobby156 | ^ yes that sorry |
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| 00:08.39 | Jonneh | pcm.!default usbaudio\n pcm.usbaudio { type hw card 1 device 0 } |
| 00:08.49 | dobby156 | pastebin? |
| 00:08.50 | Jonneh | and ctl.!default usbaudio |
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| 00:09.09 | Jonneh | One sec |
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| 00:10.27 | Serpher | What php.ini do I edit in Debian? I can see /etc/php5/cli/php.ini, and /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini. I assume apache2? |
| 00:10.52 | cornair | for webpage the one in the apache2 dir |
| 00:11.17 | daemonkeeper | Serpher: Depends? |
| 00:11.25 | Jonneh | pastebin.com/Zt6fKuSn |
| 00:11.35 | daemonkeeper | Obviously Debian ships several for several use cases. |
| 00:12.11 | Jonneh | dobby156, ^ |
| 00:12.13 | daemonkeeper | the CLI is for the PHP CLI (surprise, isn't it?) whereas apache2 is for Apache2 and so on |
| 00:12.14 | dobby156 | Jonneh: ok do you want to just use one device |
| 00:12.19 | dobby156 | Jonneh: i saw |
| 00:12.23 | Jonneh | dobby156, Yes. |
| 00:12.34 | Jonneh | dobby156, the other devices don't work properly though. |
| 00:12.45 | Jonneh | dobby156, have some HDMI interfaces we need to ignore. |
| 00:12.48 | dobby156 | ok |
| 00:13.13 | dobby156 | what is the number next to the desired device in "/proc/asound/cards" |
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| 00:13.24 | dobby156 | "cat /proc/asound/cards" |
| 00:13.43 | Jonneh | 1 |
| 00:13.57 | dobby156 | Jonneh: ok try this: |
| 00:14.14 | dobby156 | first line of .asoundrc |
| 00:14.17 | dobby156 | defaults.ctl.card 1 |
| 00:14.29 | dobby156 | Jonneh: 2nd |
| 00:14.31 | dobby156 | defaults.pcm.card 1 |
| 00:14.41 | dobby156 | 3rd |
| 00:14.42 | dobby156 | defaults.timer.card 1 |
| 00:14.49 | dobby156 | no curly braces |
| 00:14.52 | dobby156 | nothing else |
| 00:15.05 | dobby156 | then restart alsa |
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| 00:15.18 | dobby156 | "invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart" |
| 00:15.35 | dobby156 | turn off soud playing software first |
| 00:15.44 | dobby156 | like vlc and browsers and the like |
| 00:16.06 | dobby156 | Jonneh: let me know if it works for you |
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| 00:18.47 | Jonneh | dobby156, Its no longer playing any sound. |
| 00:18.59 | dobby156 | wow, fail |
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| 00:19.10 | Jonneh | dobby156, at least before the other programs had sound. xD |
| 00:19.43 | smugglerinc | Yay for making situations worse! |
| 00:19.49 | dobby156 | +1 |
| 00:20.03 | dobby156 | well I can only tell you what work for me |
| 00:20.18 | dobby156 | ill try and find you the guide i followed you might find some wisdom in it |
| 00:20.42 | dobby156 | Jonneh: Yo borther check it! http://seehuhn.de/pages/alsa |
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| 00:22.27 | Jonneh | dobby156, yea, saw the before. Ended up using the Archlinux wiki on how to setup Alsa to get my current incantation. I'm not sure why its giving me so much trouble though. |
| 00:22.57 | dobby156 | Jonneh: well all I can say is that it worked for me |
| 00:23.27 | Jonneh | anything I might be missing? |
| 00:23.49 | dobby156 | Jonneh: you know you could force it to use yours if you disable onbaord sound sources in you bios if you have that option |
| 00:24.12 | dobby156 | if you could paste bin your /proc/asound/devices |
| 00:24.23 | dobby156 | and /proc/asound/cards |
| 00:24.31 | dobby156 | but no promises at this point |
| 00:25.42 | Abddu | Any idea why my conky stopped to see any fonts installed by me after last reboot? I ran fc-cache -f -v once more, no change. |
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| 00:27.31 | Jonneh | devices : pastebin.org/pf6TaFk1 cards: pastebin.org/tFKsix0A |
| 00:27.37 | Jonneh | dobby156, ^ |
| 00:27.41 | dobby156 | thanks |
| 00:27.51 | Jonneh | dobby156, no thank you. >;D |
| 00:29.23 | dobby156 | ok so you don't want to be using the burr brown? |
| 00:30.06 | dobby156 | Jonneh: you know burr brown are actaully quiet high quality Op-amps |
| 00:30.32 | dobby156 | oh wait I am reading it wrong |
| 00:30.44 | webad_13 | does anyone know a good list of internet radio -links-, I'd like to retrieve them and save to be used with mplayer |
| 00:30.58 | smugglerinc | di.fm |
| 00:31.09 | Jonneh | dobby156, was gonna say, that's the one we're using |
| 00:31.34 | smugglerinc | Its mostly electric but there are a couple non electronic channels. |
| 00:32.10 | dobby156 | Jonneh: is there an entry above this one in the cards file with the device you don't want to use? |
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| 00:33.49 | webad_13 | smugglerinc: ah but it is done in js mostly... using w3m here - ideally I would need a text file where there is a list of all the streams, but I guess that this is difficult to find |
| 00:33.59 | Jonneh | dobby156, hold horses, |
| 00:34.08 | Jonneh | dobby156, flash is working with your config. |
| 00:34.15 | dobby156 | ah ok |
| 00:34.16 | Jonneh | dobby156, but VLC is still being dumb... so |
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| 00:34.19 | dobby156 | so what isn't |
| 00:34.28 | dobby156 | right ok then it might be a vlc issue |
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| 00:34.38 | dobby156 | try banshee or something else |
| 00:34.46 | dobby156 | vices |
| 00:34.53 | Jonneh | vlc, mplayer, etc seem to not be working. |
| 00:34.53 | dobby156 | ^^ignor |
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| 00:35.05 | dobby156 | Jonneh: yeah not those two |
| 00:35.05 | smugglerinc | webad_13: I believe you would need to get the url links manually and form your own text file list. |
| 00:35.11 | dobby156 | Jonneh: something else |
| 00:35.26 | Jonneh | running out of something elses... |
| 00:35.26 | Jonneh | hmm |
| 00:36.39 | Jonneh | dobby156, ONLY flash is working right now. |
| 00:36.50 | webad_13 | smugglerinc: maybe I can somehow extract the one from rhytmbox |
| 00:36.54 | Jonneh | dobby156, even gnome-terminal isn't making sound effects. |
| 00:36.57 | webad_13 | ones |
| 00:37.00 | dobby156 | hmm ok |
| 00:37.28 | smugglerinc | webad_13:Extract what from rhythmbox? |
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| 00:37.44 | dobby156 | i know this sucks but try logging in and out and maybe restarting, i know that is very un debian, but hey |
| 00:37.46 | Jonneh | dobby156, is it possible flash kept the old settings? |
| 00:37.59 | webad_13 | smugglerinc: list of urls for internet radio |
| 00:38.03 | dobby156 | Jonneh: possible |
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| 00:38.26 | dobby156 | Jonneh: I am no expert i just fixed the same issue on my system with the exact same DAC |
| 00:38.37 | dobby156 | so I am surprised it isn't working |
| 00:38.41 | smugglerinc | webad_13:Oh! I think I understand what you mean now. |
| 00:39.07 | Jonneh | dobby156, did you have to reboot? |
| 00:39.37 | dobby156 | I can't remember but I remember it was a PITA to fix, and that guide is how I have mine now |
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| 00:42.09 | smugglerinc | webad_13:Urls such as 'http://u10.di.fm:80/di_liquiddnb' ? |
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| 00:43.50 | webad_13 | smugglerinc: exactly |
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| 00:45.11 | nts | im trying to compile a program, but i get a message that "jwasm" cannot be found. i have tried to google for a debian package, but with no results |
| 00:45.17 | smugglerinc | webad_13: In my experience such URLs are contained in playlist files. |
| 00:45.28 | nts | is there something else i should be looking for that fulfills the jwasm depency? |
| 00:45.39 | dobby156 | what is the program |
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| 00:45.48 | nts | ufasoft_bitcoin-miner-0.10 |
| 00:45.56 | dobby156 | have you aptitude search jwasm |
| 00:46.04 | smugglerinc | No results. |
| 00:46.15 | nts | yep |
| 00:46.20 | Jonneh | dobby156, great news! |
| 00:46.22 | smugglerinc | Intersting |
| 00:46.26 | dobby156 | Jonneh: yeah |
| 00:46.29 | dobby156 | ... |
| 00:46.34 | Jonneh | dobby156, your settings worked after a logout/login |
| 00:46.39 | dobby156 | :D |
| 00:46.39 | Jonneh | silly debian >;] |
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| 00:46.50 | zezikaro | how can i run aspx on debian? |
| 00:46.54 | zezikaro | is there a way without xsp |
| 00:46.58 | Jonneh | dobby156, You were awesomely helpful. Thanks a ton! |
| 00:46.58 | dobby156 | Jonneh: out of interest what sound card was that? |
| 00:47.05 | dobby156 | Jonneh: no problem |
| 00:47.05 | Black_Prince | nts http://www.japheth.de/JWasm.html |
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| 00:47.40 | nts | Black_Prince: thank you! |
| 00:47.53 | Jonneh | dobby156, its actually a set of usb speakers, my friends computer, the sound cards don't work for some reason, so he got them instead. Insignia USB speakers |
| 00:48.03 | dobby156 | ok |
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| 00:51.42 | Abddu | Pulseaudio refuses to produce sound after every boot, untill I kill it - then it start working properly. What would cause it, or what would be the solution? |
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| 00:53.48 | smugglerinc | Abddu: I know you could probably work around that via putting a kill and restart command in the autorun script. |
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| 00:57.04 | dobby156 | is it normal for apache 2 to start 6 processes for normal operation? |
| 00:57.42 | Jonneh | dobby156, 6 connections? lol I only recall 1 process usually. |
| 00:58.16 | dobby156 | :( |
| 00:58.49 | Abddu | smugglerinc: I already thought about that, I don't like the idea though - it doesn't hit the source of the problem. Pulseaudio should NOT behave like that. |
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| 01:02.35 | Black_Prince | has got pulseaudio to work without problems |
| 01:02.47 | \amethyst | dobby156: that's common if you have the 'prefork' MPM |
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| 01:05.10 | sylecn | which app is used to send files to phone using bluetooth? I have installed bluez, can pair up the phone and the computer, don't know what to do next |
| 01:05.33 | dobby156 | \amethyst: what is it for? heavy load or something |
| 01:05.36 | dobby156 | \amethyst: what is it for? heavy load or something? |
| 01:06.14 | \amethyst | dobby156: to reduce latency |
| 01:06.25 | \amethyst | dobby156: so that, if a request comes in, there's already a process to handle it |
| 01:06.32 | \amethyst | dobby156: instead of having to spawn a new one |
| 01:06.40 | dobby156 | ok, but for a low utilisation server it isn't necessary? |
| 01:06.47 | dobby156 | i hardly need 6 |
| 01:06.53 | dobby156 | 2 maybe |
| 01:07.04 | \amethyst | dobby156: look for StartServers in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 01:07.10 | dobby156 | Thanks |
| 01:07.14 | \amethyst | dobby156: there will be one for the master, plus the number you specify there |
| 01:08.25 | \amethyst | dobby156: there are multiple sections in apache2.conf with StartServers entries; look for the one associated with your mpm module, probably mpm_worker_module |
| 01:08.25 | smugglerinc | Black_Prince: Would you happen to know why my headphones do not function with pulseaudio on a 64 bit squeeze on a laptop then? |
| 01:08.36 | \amethyst | oop |
| 01:08.45 | \amethyst | mpm_prefork_module rather |
| 01:10.27 | Black_Prince | smugglerinc I use this .asoundrc with pulseaudio. |
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| 01:13.55 | Gump | hey #debian, i am about to install windows xp to a separate partition. i am planning to boot with an ubuntu livecd to fix grub2. does this sound like a reasonable method? |
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| 01:14.38 | smugglerinc | Gump: I believe that windows needs to be install into the first partition of the hard drive. |
| 01:14.47 | smugglerinc | installed** |
| 01:14.48 | acu2 | I had a laptop with nvidia - installed squeezed but I changed that hardisck to another laptop with other card than nvidia - how can I reconfigure xserver-xorg (obviously it does not work with dpks-reconfigure xserver-xorg -that is why I am here |
| 01:15.16 | sylecn | I found the answer to my question, use obexftp to transfer files via bluetooth. |
| 01:15.23 | smugglerinc | acu2: You could try manually editing the xorg file. |
| 01:15.26 | Gump | smugglerinc, i don't think that will be a problem. i installed debian to the end of the hd. the blank space is at the beginning |
| 01:16.01 | smugglerinc | Gump: Then there shouldn't be a problem. |
| 01:16.13 | acu2 | oh I remember |
| 01:16.19 | acu2 | I might need to erase xorg |
| 01:16.26 | smugglerinc | That might help |
| 01:16.30 | acu2 | where is located |
| 01:16.35 | smugglerinc | second |
| 01:16.51 | zezikaro | is there a way without xsp |
| 01:16.57 | zezikaro | to have asp on apache |
| 01:17.00 | smugglerinc | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:18.02 | acu2 | what do I do rm /etc//x11/xorg.conf xorgNvidia.conf ? |
| 01:19.26 | smugglerinc | acu2: Make sure you specify the full path to both xorg.conf and xorgNvidia.conf. A backup might also be a good idea. |
| 01:19.54 | acu2 | it worked |
| 01:20.16 | acu2 | now I have to tell to scan again for wifi - in the other was not recognized some broadcom |
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| 01:24.48 | _ARMA_ | i think font-smoothing on Debian doesn't work. |
| 01:25.09 | _ARMA_ | i tried this link: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/enable-smooth-fonts-on-ubuntu-linux/ and feel like nothing changed.. |
| 01:25.54 | smugglerinc | I feel that my fonts are smooth. |
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| 01:27.50 | Arrowmaster | i would suggest adjusting the appearance options before trying stuff like autohinting |
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| 01:32.56 | somiaj | _ARMA_: ubuntu != debian, it seems the file on debian from a quick google search you want is $HOME/.font.conf |
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| 01:37.04 | _ARMA_ | ibrahim@arma:~$ gedit $HOME/.fonts.conf |
| 01:37.05 | somiaj | _ARMA_: also seems you should check /etc/fonts -- there is a directory /etc/fonts/conf.avail for some default system font confgurations to install -- there ia an autohint.conf |
| 01:37.06 | _ARMA_ | Fontconfig error: "~/.fonts.conf", line 2: not well-formed (invalid token) |
| 01:37.13 | _ARMA_ | somiaj: because of this error? |
| 01:37.28 | somiaj | _ARMA_: yes you could have a bad confguration file too. |
| 01:37.55 | _ARMA_ | eh. |
| 01:37.59 | _ARMA_ | it's from here: http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/how-to-enable-font-smoothing-in-ubuntu-the-fast-way/ |
| 01:38.28 | somiaj | _ARMA_: debian != ubuntu, sure you can put similar config files in your home directory, but things may not work the same |
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| 01:38.46 | owen1 | tar -zcvf tmp/output.tar.gz input/ only works as root. with regular user i see 'tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors'. ls -l shows: drwxr-xr-x 2 user1 user1. any clues? |
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| 01:39.15 | _ARMA_ | ok somiaj, i see. but what else can we do it on Debian? |
| 01:39.40 | somiaj | _ARMA_: as I said you can probably do it with ln -fs /etc/fonts/conf.avail/10-autohint.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d/ |
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| 01:40.17 | joe7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.18 | somiaj | _ARMA_: did you read what I said about there being default configs in /etc/fonts that you can just link as I showed. One has the autohint option which is all that page is setting up for you |
| 01:40.30 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: System -> Preferences -> Appearance, Fonts tab, click "Details" and change hinting to "slight" or "medium" instead of "full" |
| 01:40.30 | joe7 | Any suggestions on what else I can do? |
| 01:40.40 | joe7 | I am not sure if it is hung or something. |
| 01:40.51 | _ARMA_ | Wyzard: it's already medium selected. |
| 01:41.02 | Arrowmaster | try slight then |
| 01:41.04 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: Turn it down more, then |
| 01:41.10 | Arrowmaster | slight works best with the default font |
| 01:41.16 | _ARMA_ | somiaj: autohint has the same values shown on the Net. I'll make a link as you said, ok. |
| 01:41.26 | _ARMA_ | ok Wyzard. |
| 01:41.38 | \amethyst | joe7: if ps shows it in state 'D' it's busy doing I/O and won't respond to signals |
| 01:41.50 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: That guide you pointed to is just for turning on autohinting instead of using the font's hinting information |
| 01:41.51 | \amethyst | joe7: you could check the output of 'dmesg' and see if you have any I/O errors |
| 01:42.03 | _ARMA_ | :D eh. |
| 01:42.06 | joe7 | \amethyst: It says DW |
| 01:42.12 | _ARMA_ | slight option looks as it should look. |
| 01:42.14 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: The autohinter doesn't do as good a job as the human-designed hints stored in the font, so the result is less hinting |
| 01:42.14 | _ARMA_ | ;P |
| 01:42.29 | somiaj | _ARMA_: you may have to restart X and/or your display manager in the process for the new config to take effect. But sounds like Wyzard knows what he is talking about |
| 01:42.32 | joe7 | \amethyst: will check dmesg |
| 01:42.37 | joe7 | \amethyst: thanks |
| 01:42.57 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: but if you want less hinting, just change the hinting setting; it's silly to do it by turning on something that *tries* to do hinting but fails to do it well |
| 01:43.13 | _ARMA_ | somiaj: thank you, yes i logged off and on when changed fonts.config but Wyzard's option is fine now. it's fixed. |
| 01:43.16 | _ARMA_ | thank you both. |
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| 01:44.01 | Wyzard | _ARMA_: The autohinter was a workaround for a patent that (I believe) is now expired, so I see no reason to ever use it |
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| 01:45.50 | Arrowmaster | just remember, almost all advice you find online that involves ubuntu is probably wrong in some way |
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| 01:46.27 | Wyzard | Almost all advice you find online for anything is probably wrong in some way :-) |
| 01:46.43 | pmo5 | on the go.. night all.. 3:46 am in here, bye |
| 01:46.55 | smugglerinc | Toodles |
| 01:47.03 | _ARMA_ | is there something like CCleaner on linux? CCleaner Freeware system optimisation and privacy tool that erases Internet history and other unused files, and cleans up orphaned registry entries for MS Windows. |
| 01:47.18 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:47.35 | Arrowmaster | theres no need |
| 01:47.40 | _ARMA_ | becaue I'm new and try a lot of things, and I forgot to delete if the file is no use, sometimes. |
| 01:48.36 | joe7 | \amethyst: The dmesg says: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at f7400000 IPz oops=0003 init_buffer_head+0xf/0x1d |
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| 01:48.44 | _ARMA_ | no need, then. |
| 01:48.51 | smugglerinc | _ARMA_: Such orphaned files are rarely a problem. |
| 01:49.02 | _ARMA_ | ok.. |
| 01:49.13 | Wyzard | hmm, I know I've been doing too much Haskell today when I read a line that begins with "\amethyst" as a lambda function definition |
| 01:49.17 | _ARMA_ | well, this Debian rocks! :) |
| 01:49.22 | _ARMA_ | very fast. |
| 01:50.05 | smugglerinc | _ARMA_: I personally will occasionally dig through my computer looking for folders of programs that I removed and delete them. But even then I only do it to pass time. |
| 01:51.10 | somiaj | _ARMA_: as long as your using dpkg/apt to add/remove stuff you shouldn't have that problem. Sure you home directory fills up with configs but that isn't a big deal. If you start installing stuf with 'make install' then you could ahve things need cleaning. So best to pratice good package managmenet. |
| 01:51.39 | Wyzard | but you generally don't need to compile things manually, especially as a beginner |
| 01:52.57 | _ARMA_ | i need time. :) to start, i like the environment. :) |
| 01:53.19 | smugglerinc | Are you using gnome? |
| 01:53.26 | _ARMA_ | yes. |
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| 02:01.34 | Abddu | Is it safe to install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd drivers if I have already installed the proprietary fglrx? |
| 02:02.02 | smugglerinc | If there is a problem the package manager should be able to fix it. |
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| 02:02.36 | DammitJim | what is the package I need to enable the scrolling on my touchpad for this laptop? |
| 02:02.43 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 02:03.04 | smugglerinc | Good night. |
| 02:03.11 | bis0n | Hi all |
| 02:03.17 | Abddu | smugglerinc: Apt want to remove 1 library: libopenall. I don't recall this one being downloaded when I was getting fglrx. |
| 02:04.14 | smugglerinc | DammitJim: Might be an option in the mouse preferences |
| 02:04.14 | smugglerinc | Abddu: Might not be a problem. |
| 02:04.44 | DammitJim | is that a window manager thing? |
| 02:05.17 | smugglerinc | Abddu: Interesting, I don't see that package in the repo. |
| 02:05.28 | smugglerinc | DammitJim: No. Are you in gnome? |
| 02:05.45 | smugglerinc | bis0n: Howdy |
| 02:05.48 | DammitJim | enlightenment e17 |
| 02:05.55 | bis0n | I have an little problem with an DNS (sorry for my english, I'm french... ) So, I have an server at home with debian, and apache2, an domain name, buy at 1&1, I making redirect this domain to my home IP, that's work but on adress bar of navigator I always have my IP adress and not domain name... I need an bind9 server?? I don't understand what is the problem |
| 02:06.10 | DanDare | For how long Lenny security updates will be maintained ? |
| 02:06.13 | Abddu | smugglerinc: It might have been downloaded from some additional repos: libopenal1 |
| 02:06.15 | smugglerinc | DammitJim: hrmm. Never used enlightenment. |
| 02:06.51 | Abddu | smugglerinc: NOW I see it's al1, not all. Stupid default konsole font. :D |
| 02:06.53 | smugglerinc | Abddu: Oh! Open al. Go ahead and proceed. If something breaks it shouldn't be too badly. |
| 02:07.16 | Abddu | smugglerinc: Copy. Thanks. :) |
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| 02:07.51 | Abddu | Another question: my lspci gives me 2 audio devices and one of them is clearly my... graphics card. Is that normal? |
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| 02:08.14 | DammitJim | was synaptics replaced with tpconfig? |
| 02:08.27 | DammitJim | I did apt-get install synaptics and that's what the system suggested? |
| 02:08.33 | acu | I have a laptop with raltek wifi card - I installed firmware-realtek now what ? |
| 02:08.55 | acu | how can I enalbe the wifi card |
| 02:09.20 | acu | modprobe ? |
| 02:09.22 | acu | what ? |
| 02:09.28 | smugglerinc | Abddu: That shouldn't be a problem. |
| 02:09.28 | smugglerinc | acu: Modprobe would be a good place to start |
| 02:09.32 | bis0n | acu, say return of command lspci |
| 02:09.43 | DammitJim | in Xorg, what is the option for scrolling on a mouse entry? |
| 02:10.12 | acu | lspci ---> 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless |
| 02:10.19 | Arrowmaster | Abddu: yes normal for gfx cards with hdmi |
| 02:10.34 | acu | now what ? |
| 02:11.28 | bis0n | acu: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=54167 |
| 02:11.33 | Abddu | smugglerinc: Arrowmaster: but isn't this the source of ym strange pulseaudio behaviour? (has to be killed upon every boot, works only after). |
| 02:12.03 | Arrowmaster | source of strange pulseaudio behavior is usually pulseaudio |
| 02:12.14 | bis0n | acu: depend of your kernel version too |
| 02:12.23 | Mr_Queue | I have an interesting problem with CPU frequency scaling.. I have a 2.2 GHz but even when I select 2.2, it will only use 1.20GHz, I know it's not hardware, I checked with Knoppix. Ideas on where to start by hand? |
| 02:12.25 | smugglerinc | Abddu: I don't see how it would be. Pulseaudio is good about detecting devices in my experience. |
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| 02:12.36 | bis0n | search RTL8191SEvB & debian on google, you will find |
| 02:13.17 | Abddu | smugglerinc: Thank you again. :) |
| 02:13.46 | acu | yes it seem that I have to do a linux headers before the wifi realtek works |
| 02:14.06 | bis0n | anyone pro of DNS sysem for help me :-| |
| 02:15.04 | Abddu | The last question for this session: In my previous system (Ubuntu) I could easily copy/paste with both buffers between all apps, including xterms, vim and such. Now I can't, which drives me mad. What do I have to install/configure so that the buffers are system wide? |
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| 02:15.34 | bis0n | acu try "modprobe r8192se_pci hwwep=0" |
| 02:16.04 | \amethyst | Abddu: what do you mean? how does it behave now? |
| 02:16.52 | Arrowmaster | sounds like yet another ubuntu specific patch |
| 02:16.58 | bis0n | acu if not, download here driver http://218.210.127.131/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true |
| 02:17.04 | Abddu | I select text in Opera, go to konsole/vim and cannot paste it with middle mouse button |
| 02:17.32 | acu | bis0n: I will try the download i did the modprobe it did not work |
| 02:17.37 | \amethyst | that's odd... I don't have konsole or opera so I can't test it here |
| 02:17.44 | Abddu | \amethyst: same with 2 open konsoles: select text in one of them, switch to other, no pasting with moouse wheel |
| 02:18.05 | \amethyst | maybe it's a KDE setting? |
| 02:18.19 | Abddu | Went through whole the damn system config, nothing about that. |
| 02:18.22 | smugglerinc | Abddu: Such an intersting problem. I believe that would be a KDE problem. I can past urls into console. |
| 02:18.30 | \amethyst | is KDE maybe taking middle-mouse to mean "paste clipboard" instead of "paste primary selection"? |
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| 02:18.40 | Arrowmaster | i had a problem with vim in terminals after i copied somebodys .vimrc because it enabled the mouse for 'everything' i solved it by changing .vimrc to have 'set mouse=r' |
| 02:18.42 | \amethyst | I have no problem doing that with chromium and gnome-terminal or xterm |
| 02:20.59 | Abddu | Arrowmaster: That fixed it for vim. :D I love you guys. Strange thing is it's the same vimrc I used on Ubuntu, didn't even open it after reinstall (this setting must have been ignored in Ubuntu). |
| 02:21.37 | Arrowmaster | yeah i could see ubuntu doing something like patching vim like that |
| 02:22.09 | smugglerinc | Ubuntu does silly things like that.. |
| 02:22.19 | bis0n | or kernel version of your ubuntu is not same of debian? |
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| 02:23.02 | Abddu | bis0n: It can't be same, Ubu was 32bitPAE, Deb is AMD64 |
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| 02:24.17 | Abddu | Only 4 issues left to solve and Debian will finally be my perfect system. :D |
| 02:24.30 | smugglerinc | yay 4! |
| 02:24.41 | Abddu | Started with 1 after install. :) |
| 02:24.46 | Abddu | With 14, damn it |
| 02:24.57 | smugglerinc | I only have 1 right now. Then Ill probably be happy. |
| 02:24.58 | bis0n | yes! me too, go to debian after ubuntu, unity kill me... |
| 02:25.34 | Abddu | Now... duckduckgo: debian skype. :) |
| 02:25.52 | smugglerinc | duck duck go? |
| 02:26.13 | bis0n | f**k a duck and try a fly? |
| 02:26.40 | bis0n | sorry... here 4:26am, so... |
| 02:26.42 | Abddu | smugglerinc: https://duckduckgo.com |
| 02:27.02 | Abddu | bis0n: same time zone. :) |
| 02:27.19 | bis0n | you're english? |
| 02:27.24 | Abddu | Polish. |
| 02:27.31 | bis0n | oh ok |
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| 02:30.10 | ronghail | any alioth update? |
| 02:30.26 | smugglerinc | Stupid pulseaudio. |
| 02:30.27 | smugglerinc | Alioth? |
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| 02:31.32 | bis0n | ok, for my problem, I have an rewrite url on an .htaccess and on all rewrited url I obtain http://myip/page and not http://domainname/page... anyone have an idea? |
| 02:31.58 | bis0n | smugglerinc, apt-get purge pulseaudio ! |
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| 02:32.31 | smugglerinc | bis0n: I can shoot in the dark and maybe help. Is the IP attached to the Domain name? |
| 02:32.32 | bis0n | return to alsa is the solution of all audio problem lol |
| 02:32.58 | bis0n | smugglerinc, yes |
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| 02:33.22 | bis0n | smugglerinc, domain name on 1&1 and attached to my home ip server |
| 02:33.36 | smugglerinc | bis0n: How long ago did you do that? I think it can take a while for the entry to spread through the DNS network. |
| 02:34.17 | Abddu | Is there any linux OS skype client apart from Skype? |
| 02:34.31 | bis0n | mmmh yes but if I talk http://mydomainname/page, that's work... |
| 02:34.53 | smugglerinc | There are VoIP clients. |
| 02:35.04 | bis0n | smugglerinc, just when rewriteurl of site is called I have not domainname but ipadress on adress bar... |
| 02:35.09 | smugglerinc | But not for the skype protocol. |
| 02:35.16 | ronghail | pkg-shadow.alioth.debian.org still down |
| 02:35.35 | ronghail | pretty sure other stuff is hosted there from what I see in the scroll here |
| 02:35.46 | stew | "Topic for #alioth: Alioth upgrade in progress, downtime expected" |
| 02:35.52 | smugglerinc | bis0n: and thats where i become lost. |
| 02:36.01 | ronghail | thanks |
| 02:36.05 | bis0n | yes me too... |
| 02:36.39 | bis0n | maybe on website configuration... I have an idea, I will try |
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| 02:38.02 | kish | hey, how does one manage their firewall in debian? |
| 02:38.15 | smugglerinc | iptables, commandline. |
| 02:38.20 | kish | Is it iptables only or is there a higher level interface |
| 02:38.28 | stew | kish: there are many |
| 02:38.48 | kish | oh, that sounds good |
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| 02:39.57 | bis0n | oh! I have found, I'm just stupid, my website is an magento CMS and on it database you have an "base url of links" and on it I have put IP adress, with domain name, that's working great |
| 02:39.59 | Griob | Does anyone here use pidentd? |
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| 02:41.08 | stew | kish: perhaps "apt-cache search iptables" |
| 02:41.19 | bis0n | Griob, server of protocol??? what's this? |
| 02:41.21 | kish | yeah, that's good advice ;) |
| 02:41.27 | kish | i can't live with ubuntu anymore ;( |
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| 02:41.55 | Griob | bis0n, the program. I cant find much good information about configuratio nline |
| 02:41.55 | kish | let's hope the new debian can be written to a usb stick simply by using dd |
| 02:42.07 | stew | kish: it can |
| 02:42.28 | stew | you can just cp foo.iso /dev/sdb or whatever |
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| 02:43.02 | kish | excellent |
| 02:44.20 | bis0n | Griob, sorry, that's an high level for me, identification of protocol Oo really interesting, but I never use it... |
| 02:44.32 | Abddu | Anyone using jdownloader app here? If so, do you suggest to use Ubuntu package OR the 'installer'? |
| 02:44.40 | Griob | ubuntu package |
| 02:45.02 | stew | uhh |
| 02:45.04 | Abddu | Even for 64bit system? |
| 02:45.30 | stew | if its a package for ubuntu, you are best recompiling it anyway |
| 02:46.01 | stew | (depending on how it is compiled, i guess) |
| 02:46.20 | stew | but in general, using ubuntu debs on debian is not a great idea |
| 02:46.20 | bis0n | jdownloader is on java I think, so you can use directly installer... |
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| 02:47.20 | Griob | I only say ubuntu package assuming hes on ubuntu and in the incorrect channel. Sorry. |
| 02:47.26 | Griob | But yeah, if its java nvm |
| 02:48.24 | bis0n | ye sI just verify that it is java program, use the downlaod page and run the official script : http://jdownloader.org/download/index |
| 02:48.29 | Abddu | No, I'm on Debian. :) So installer you say. Let's 'compile', whatever this means. :D |
| 02:48.38 | Griob | haha |
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| 02:49.56 | bis0n | the script no compile everything! that is java, so the script just download the jar file and run it |
| 02:51.00 | bis0n | the script is: JDINSTALLER=http://update0.jdownloader.org/jdupdate.jar && java -Xmx512m -jar jdupdate.jar and other function for update and make working with all java interpreterthat's all... |
| 02:53.22 | bis0n | mmmh geek idea on my mind, anyone try gnome-shell on an debian? |
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| 02:53.44 | bis0n | package is on testing? experimental? |
| 02:53.47 | Abddu | Most honestly I don't understand what you just said. The most programming thing I've seen is ConTeXt (TeX based). :) |
| 02:55.00 | stew | bis0n: http://packages.debian.org/gnome-shell |
| 02:55.28 | bis0n | ok, so java is not compiled programs, that's like perl, just need java on your system for use any java program... java program not compile anything, java run it that's all |
| 02:55.45 | \amethyst | not exactly |
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| 02:56.09 | stew | not at all, java is compiled |
| 02:56.10 | \amethyst | Java is compile to JVM bytecode (.class files, often found inside .jars), then those can be executed on any system with java |
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| 02:56.17 | stew | and jdownloader does not appear to be all java |
| 02:56.41 | \amethyst | the bytecode is "interpreted" (though usually it's compiled to native machine code on the fly) |
| 02:57.01 | stew | (on any system with a compatible interpreter to the compiler that compiled the bytecode) |
| 02:57.11 | bis0n | stew, ok... I'm not an java pro... but you ok with the thing abdu can run the script of jdownloader without any problem? |
| 02:57.21 | stew | if you compile stuff with a java 1.6 compiler, you can't run it on a java 1.5 interpreter, for example |
| 02:57.32 | bis0n | yes, for sure |
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| 02:57.53 | Abddu | Oh, I don't have java, installing right now. |
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| 02:58.19 | bis0n | stew, ok, I don't use good words, sorry, my english is poor, but I understand what you say, allright... |
| 02:59.07 | bis0n | Abddu, exactly, the package deb what you need is java and not jdownloader |
| 02:59.48 | bis0n | and jdownloader say version of java need >= 1.5 |
| 03:00.11 | stew | bis0n: am I ok with it? i don't really care. its not something I'd recomend without looking at it more closely. it looks like a mess of software, at first glance, I doubt it is free software... |
| 03:00.50 | stew | i think they are almost definitely distributing software illegally |
| 03:00.52 | Abddu | stew: It is 'free' in the meaning you don't have to buy it. :) |
| 03:01.00 | stew | great |
| 03:01.13 | stew | like stuff is free when you run out instead of paying... |
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| 03:04.17 | stew | "yeah this stuff is free, because you can steal it" |
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| 03:05.09 | Abddu | stew: I don't know what you mean. The people that wrote it (Open Source as they say) distribute it for free. What's the problem? |
| 03:05.15 | bis0n | stew, I don't understand, you say it for the usage of program? |
| 03:05.43 | stew | Abddu: that they are taking software from other people that have very specific license terms, and they are ignoring those terms |
| 03:06.06 | stew | Abddu: like, the GPL says "you may redistribute this, but you must make the source available", but they aren't making the source available |
| 03:06.33 | bis0n | stew, jdownloader is an open source program |
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| 03:07.21 | stew | they distribute SOME of the source. they also distribute binaries without source where they are not legally allowed to (unelss they have secured other licensing arrangements from all the third parties, which I doubt) |
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| 03:07.49 | bis0n | ok... |
| 03:09.30 | _ARMA_ | have a nice day. later.. |
| 03:09.47 | bis0n | bof, on all way I don't use jdownloader, so... ^^ |
| 03:10.16 | Abddu | stew: From what I just read in their 'knowledge base' the source is available. |
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| 03:10.46 | stew | Abddu: yes. I'm looking at it |
| 03:10.47 | Abddu | stew: Not as easily available as the binaries though, that's for sure: http://www.jdownloader.org/knowledge/wiki/development/get-started |
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| 03:11.30 | bis0n | ^^ ok, we agree |
| 03:12.10 | stew | its when I started looking at their "source" that I realized they probably are violoating a lot of liceneses and are certainly not completely free software |
| 03:12.19 | SeanInSeattle | Hey all. I'm new to debian, and I'm hoping that someone can help me here. I want to add some ubuntu 11.04 main packages to my installation. I've added the entry to my sources.list file, but I'm getting a gpg error when I go to do an "apt-get update". How to generate a valid gpg key for the new entries? |
| 03:12.54 | Arrowmaster | dont mix debian and ubuntu packages |
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| 03:13.10 | bis0n | for gnome-shell I will wait an moment I think, when I see changelog I'm afraid |
| 03:13.18 | stew | SeanInSeattle: you really shouldn't be trying to mix ubuntu and debian. if you really need some package from ubuntu that isn't in debian, "backport" it: "/msg dpkg ssb" but where those instructions tell you to add sid deb-src lines, use ubuntu deb-src lines |
| 03:14.00 | bis0n | SeanInSeattle, not use ubuntu package on debian |
| 03:14.39 | Abddu | stew: Now that you told me that I don't feel as much friendly as before towards this marvellous app. BUT on the other hand, I, as the end user, am in no position to check every single app I use against it's origin and possible licensing issues. I don't even have means to confirm or deny your suspicions right now (unless I spent like a few days on researching it), so I'll just stick to using the app hoping that if there are any issues, they will |
| 03:14.39 | Abddu | get them solved. :) |
| 03:15.26 | bis0n | ahahah |
| 03:15.30 | stew | Abddu: yes, that's why we at debian check these licensing issues for you. if its in debian main, you don't have to worry |
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| 03:16.32 | bis0n | copy all, share source code, experience and knowledge |
| 03:17.01 | Hydroxide | Abddu: (despite what stew said, Debian doesn't provide a warranty/guarantee any more than any other vendor, but we do make our best effort to keep Debian main freely licensed according to our guidelines) |
| 03:17.47 | SeanInSeattle | bis0n, stew, How about someone gives me a good reason behind "don't mix ubuntu and debian pkgs..."? I hate it when people simply tell me I can't do what I believe is the right thing to do. |
| 03:17.59 | Hydroxide | (without simply taking upstream "open source" claims at face value) |
| 03:18.24 | stew | SeanInSeattle: because you'll end up running some kind of soup that neither ubuntu nor debian poeple will be willing to help you with. |
| 03:18.57 | streuner_ | SeanInSeattle: ever heard of Bobbitt? :-) |
| 03:19.11 | stew | SeanInSeattle: you could lose the ability to do smooth upgrades to newer debian releases/packages in the fugure |
| 03:19.25 | stew | ^fugure^future |
| 03:19.51 | stew | the bobbitt reference is really not working anymore, now that we are what? 4 releases beyond woody? :) |
| 03:20.03 | bis0n | SeanInSeattle, just not good idea, dependencies, compatibility... ubuntu (canonical) add patches on package, this patches is not always good for debian |
| 03:20.43 | somiaj | SeanInSeattle: its not usually the package that could be the problem, but if you pull in a ubuntu package it may depend on some core libaries for your system (which are higher version than what you have) and that is what the danger will be. You replace core things like glibc between the two distros and you system could have some problems. |
| 03:20.48 | bis0n | SeanInSeattle, this why ubuntu is not debian and debian is not ubuntu, ubuntu is jusst an distribution of an user friendly debian... |
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| 03:21.24 | streuner_ | <bobbitt> is a factoid who unterstand a user |
| 03:21.38 | somiaj | SeanInSeattle: This is even true for multiple versions of debian (don't mix stable with testing or unstable) -- the backport process will allow you to compile the few packages you may want against your current systems libariers. |
| 03:22.06 | streuner_ | stew: sometimes such pictures are more unstableable than any other facts |
| 03:22.14 | bis0n | SeanInSeattle was his explanation |
| 03:22.17 | bis0n | ^^ |
| 03:23.12 | stew | the jdownloader source even contains the non-free rar binaries. i think you actually even have to pay for those, so not even just "not free as in freedom" |
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| 03:24.10 | bis0n | stew, not true, you have an package rar-unfree on deposites... that's not an not free program, just not open source |
| 03:24.30 | bis0n | stew, rar unfree not gnu license |
| 03:24.47 | Hydroxide | bis0n: here you run into the problem that only applies in english. "free" has two meanings, "free as in freedom" and "free as in no charge" |
| 03:24.51 | stew | bis0n: you are wrong. you actually have to pay for it. reread the license |
| 03:25.12 | stew | Hydroxide: he has the right meaning. the nonfree rar actually costs money |
| 03:25.16 | Hydroxide | stew: ah... |
| 03:25.23 | streuner_ | stew: s/unstableable/understandable/ |
| 03:25.40 | Hydroxide | stew: he was claiming that we distribute rar-unfree [sic] in our "deposites [sic]" |
| 03:25.47 | stew | Hydroxide: we do |
| 03:26.26 | Hydroxide | oh, wow, yeah, shareware |
| 03:26.29 | Hydroxide | I forgot about that :) |
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| 03:26.53 | stew | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/r/rar/rar_3.8b3-1/rar.copyright |
| 03:27.03 | bis0n | Oo ok... sorry... I make mistake you right unrar program is not free... |
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| 03:27.30 | Hydroxide | yeah. so it is freely redistributable within certain conditions but not freely usable under either definition of free |
| 03:27.40 | bis0n | I was persuaded to have used it... |
| 03:28.30 | Hydroxide | it is funny how that format has persisted while there are many better formats in terms of both licensing and compression |
| 03:28.52 | ira_gershwin | the popularity of rar mystifies me |
| 03:28.54 | Hydroxide | though it's only persisted in certain communities |
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| 03:30.26 | bis0n | I thiink "winrar" program aid it |
| 03:30.57 | secretary_linux | hi all. to boot a debian installer from a usb drive, is it enough to mkfs.vfat, copy all the files from the iso, rename the isolinux files to syslinux, run syslinux on the device, and then boot it? or am I missing something? |
| 03:30.58 | Hydroxide | sure, though it's not as if there aren't lots of other compression/decompression programs for windows that support better formats and aren't shareware |
| 03:31.12 | bis0n | honnestly if I need use an zindoz I install an winrar... ^^ |
| 03:31.19 | Hydroxide | a bunch of it is just people passing around certain recommendations long after their time has passed |
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| 03:32.14 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: if you're talking about a debian 6.0 "squeeze" or newer iso and you don't want it to coexist on the usb drive with anything else, just dd the iso to the drive. it should be bootable |
| 03:32.16 | bis0n | secretary_linux, use unetbootin program, it is the simply way for make an usb bootable |
| 03:32.19 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: at least for the netinstalls |
| 03:32.36 | secretary_linux | Hydroxide: shoot, I was wondering if it would be that easy. great |
| 03:32.49 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: probably also for the full images too (I'm not sure). for debian 5.0 "lenny" and older there were other steps necessary, and/or use of a different image |
| 03:32.59 | secretary_linux | Hydroxide: anything special or just dd if=the_iso of=the_partition ? |
| 03:33.27 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: that's it, except of should point to the top-level usb stick itself (again this assumes you want to dedicate the whole stick to it) |
| 03:33.33 | bis0n | secretary_linux, I'm not sure an dd if of work for this... |
| 03:33.34 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: not to a partition |
| 03:33.36 | stew | secretary_linux: that's it. or just "cp the_iso the_partition", "cat the_iso > the_partition"whatever |
| 03:33.47 | stew | bis0n: dd, cp, cat, they all work for this |
| 03:33.56 | bis0n | ok! |
| 03:34.00 | Hydroxide | bis0n: you're not reading what I typed to him, are you? debian made it work starting with the 6.0 images :) |
| 03:34.06 | Hydroxide | via isohybrid |
| 03:34.07 | secretary_linux | cp works??? |
| 03:34.13 | bis0n | I always use unetbootin for that... I love this tool |
| 03:34.16 | secretary_linux | I don't even get how cp could work |
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| 03:34.28 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: it won't work via cp to a mounted partition. he was referring to cp to the device node for the usb stick |
| 03:34.33 | secretary_linux | wow |
| 03:34.35 | secretary_linux | I see |
| 03:34.42 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: that's a bit surprising to me took, but I think I was aware that cat would work |
| 03:34.48 | bis0n | Hydroxide, sorry, I need translate too, so not have time to read all... |
| 03:34.49 | Hydroxide | *a bit surprising to me too |
| 03:34.51 | Hydroxide | bis0n: ah, ok |
| 03:34.59 | stew | secretary_linux: unless you are pssing more options to dd like "seek" or "count", they both just do the same thing, which is "open both files, copy bits until you run out of room or runt out of bits" |
| 03:35.00 | Hydroxide | bis0n: no problem |
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| 03:35.12 | iluminator101 | "Volume Control" has quit unexpectedly ??? |
| 03:35.14 | secretary_linux | this is all really encouraging. I'm going to dd that sucker and see what happens. so you're saying I should delete the partition table or is that not necessary? |
| 03:35.24 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: it'll get wiped automatically. |
| 03:35.40 | secretary_linux | if I target the main drive instead of the partition node |
| 03:35.42 | cookiemon5ter | if you use dd to make usb install do you need to create a partition first |
| 03:35.45 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: just write to /dev/sdN (where N is whichever the right letter is for the usb stick), not /dev/sdN1 or any other partition |
| 03:35.48 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: right |
| 03:35.52 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: no. |
| 03:35.55 | stew | secretary_linux: everyong things that dd has some more magic in it, but it is just a cp with more controls to skip stuff at the end or at the beginning, or to use much less efficient block sizes |
| 03:36.12 | secretary_linux | ok, just curious, if I did want to leave it partitioned (I don't) would I need to install grub or a bootloader to the MBR then? |
| 03:36.13 | cookiemon5ter | Hydroxide: i had no partitions and it didn't work :/ |
| 03:36.23 | stew | cookiemon5ter: no, and if you create a partition first, then you need to do the additional steps of adding a bootloader that knows how to find the partition and chainload |
| 03:36.34 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: something along those lines |
| 03:36.42 | stew | secretary_linux: yes |
| 03:36.42 | cookiemon5ter | wonder what happened then |
| 03:36.44 | bis0n | secretary_linux, I think dd make an copy bit by bit... not an simple cp |
| 03:36.54 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: we'd need to know more about what you did to say what went wrong |
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| 03:37.12 | stew | bis0n: cp makes a copy bit by bit. cp and dd do the same thing |
| 03:37.13 | cookiemon5ter | dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/bar |
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| 03:37.18 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: for example, if it wasn't 6.0 "squeeze" or newer (e.g. a 5.0 "lenny" iso), something different is necessary |
| 03:37.27 | stew | (unless you pass other options to dd like seek or count) |
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| 03:37.40 | stew | except cp has a better chence than you do of picking a good block size |
| 03:37.55 | stew | (and if you don't pass a block size to dd, it will probablyi be slower than cp) |
| 03:38.17 | bis0n | stew, no! sorry but cp not work at bit level |
| 03:38.22 | Hydroxide | stew: the main reason I ever pass a block size to dd is to make the math easy for arguments like seek, skip, or count :) agreed that it can have a performance impact though |
| 03:38.33 | stew | bis0n: you are incorrect |
| 03:38.49 | cookiemon5ter | strange that this doesn't work |
| 03:38.54 | bis0n | stew, why linus make two different command?? ^^ |
| 03:38.58 | Hydroxide | wonders if both stew and bis0n mean bit or byte. (straight question, not sure) |
| 03:39.02 | Hydroxide | bis0n: linus didn't make either of them |
| 03:39.02 | stew | bis0n: linus didn't make either command |
| 03:39.06 | unforgiven512 | Hmm, I never set a root password at install, and prefer to use sudo for things. I've noticed that a lot of things rely on gksu, rather than gksudo. Is it safe to make a backup of gksu, delete it, and replace it with a symlink to gksudo? Or, is there a more-preferred solution to this issue? |
| 03:39.13 | secretary_linux | ^ lmao at double response about linus |
| 03:39.15 | bis0n | right... |
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| 03:39.48 | stew | bis0n: dd has more controls like seek, count, bs, but you don't need them in this case. all you need is "copy everything". |
| 03:39.50 | cookiemon5ter | why is debian the best distro ? |
| 03:40.06 | secretary_linux | well dd only took a few secs anyway because it's a 170MB image :) |
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| 03:40.30 | bis0n | http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=542806 |
| 03:40.31 | holycow | who says it is? |
| 03:40.38 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: "best" is very situation-dependent. please let's not get into such overgeneralizations here |
| 03:40.44 | secretary_linux | btw thanks all, this is booting straightaway! |
| 03:40.47 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: great! |
| 03:41.00 | cookiemon5ter | Hydroxide: currently all my systems are gentoo |
| 03:41.11 | bis0n | see it, "frits hoogland" can explain what I think in english, you will see cp and dd arre not same thing |
| 03:41.31 | cookiemon5ter | and it said that on debians site that it was the best =p |
| 03:42.28 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: well we can tell you why we like debian, or under what circumstances we'd recommend debian, or whether we think debian is right for a specific use case you describe. we're not out to insult other distros. use what you want. |
| 03:42.29 | holycow | uh what? |
| 03:42.35 | holycow | post a link, we can get that removed |
| 03:42.48 | holycow | no one on the team would beleive such a ridiculous notion |
| 03:42.57 | bis0n | cp work at "file level", dd at "bit level"... |
| 03:43.20 | stew | bis0n: in this case, you are just copying a single file |
| 03:43.28 | stew | bis0n: so both do the job accurately |
| 03:44.02 | glitch-mod | I am having trouble getting my X configuration working, can only boot into recovery mode, using ati proprietary drivers(Catalyst control 11.5), didn't build specific packages for squeeze just did a regular install my hardware setup is 5GPUs for HPC computing but still a little new to linux |
| 03:44.46 | cookiemon5ter | Hydroxide: why do you like it |
| 03:45.06 | bis0n | stew, for this specific task yes, i'm agree but for many thing you need use dd OR cp... |
| 03:45.15 | stew | bis0n: no, i don't agree |
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| 03:45.36 | stew | bis0n: unless you need the specific other options from dd, which is "skip stuff" |
| 03:45.46 | stew | if its "copy everything", either works |
| 03:45.50 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: easy to manage, lots of infrastructure, comprehensive policy that's rigorously adhered to, good quality assurance, good licensing review, great portability and bug tracking, wonderful upgradeability and security support, etc |
| 03:46.22 | cookiemon5ter | Hydroxide: how is package building |
| 03:46.38 | glitch-mod | aticonfig --list-adapters shows all my cards are working |
| 03:46.38 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: quite good, though very different than gentoo |
| 03:47.01 | cookiemon5ter | Hydroxide: where can i get more info on that ? |
| 03:47.01 | glitch-mod | anyone familiar with this? |
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| 03:47.51 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: http://www.debian.org/devel/ ... start with http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ and also refer as needed to the Debian Policy Manual linked on the main development page. |
| 03:48.11 | bis0n | stew, "copy everything" cp make that, and copy file permission, and more... dd just copy data of file... |
| 03:48.17 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: also #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net, NOT freenode) and debian-mentors@lists.debian.org can help with people who are new to packaging. |
| 03:48.53 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: detailed assistance with packaging is out of scope for #debian, but very much in-scope for those places. |
| 03:49.27 | Hydroxide | bis0n: cp actually doesn't copy file permission by default |
| 03:49.52 | cookiemon5ter | it is probably something i wont be looking into anytime soon but hopefully somewhere down the road |
| 03:50.00 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: sure, it'll be there when you want it |
| 03:50.16 | secretary_linux | is there any reason debian defaults to ext3 over ext4? |
| 03:50.58 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: probably that it adopts new things at a conservative pace once they're solid enough to make as defaults with few downsides |
| 03:51.00 | cookiemon5ter | secretary_linux: my guess is stability |
| 03:51.10 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: it should support it just fine if you choose to select it |
| 03:51.11 | kish | so, do i simply download debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso and dd that onto /dev/sdb1 (my usb stick) |
| 03:51.45 | Hydroxide | kish: I think that would work, though you can download the netinst iso instead if you're going to have it connected to the internet when you install stuff |
| 03:52.00 | kish | good idea |
| 03:52.34 | Hydroxide | kish: oh, correction: dd it onto /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1 (i.e. it goes to the whole usb stick instead of just a partition) |
| 03:52.42 | Hydroxide | kish: (without further setup) |
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| 03:53.07 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: the installer will let you select ext4 without having to jump through (m)any hoops |
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| 03:53.22 | secretary_linux | Hydroxide: oh yeah I saw that already, just wondered if I should maybe listen to the default advice or not |
| 03:53.39 | kish | thanks Hydroxide ;) |
| 03:53.41 | cookiemon5ter | 8 dvds holy crap |
| 03:53.43 | buhman | is it possible to make evolution make arbitrary text quoted? ("> quote") |
| 03:53.57 | bis0n | or make an tftp server and install it by pxe, that's good idea if you need install and reinstall it many times... ^^ |
| 03:53.58 | buhman | of course you can do it manually, but I want to do large blocks like that |
| 03:54.13 | buhman | with automatic wrapping, etc... |
| 03:54.27 | Hydroxide | secretary_linux: for a personal non-business/non-mission-critical machine for someone who is aware enough to ask the questions you've been asking, go with your preference. it's not any more dangerous with debian than with other distros |
| 03:55.12 | cookiemon5ter | so do i just need cd1 for basic install |
| 03:55.13 | secretary_linux | hehe, not sure I have deep enough understanding to have a preference yet - but it's just a conflict between linux recommending ext4 adoption and debian's default that's all :) |
| 03:55.26 | cookiemon5ter | maybe i should just read the installation docs |
| 03:55.30 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: or multible blu-ray discs if you want :) the stuff on the discs is arranged based on popularity IIRC, so earlier disks have more common stuff. and yes, you don't need more than cd1; if you'll be installing online you can even just use the netinstall iso |
| 03:55.48 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: which is only a few hundred megs. or if you want to even get the kernel and base system from the internet, there's a 20-30 meg businesscard iso |
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| 03:56.22 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: but I'd recommend the netinstall iso unless you'll mostly be installing things offline |
| 03:56.51 | cookiemon5ter | Hydroxide: i use neighbors wifi |
| 03:57.13 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: reading the installation docs is always a good idea. you may want to pay attention to the part about firmware required for things like wifi and how to make it available during the install |
| 03:57.50 | cookiemon5ter | Atheros should work right away ? |
| 03:57.52 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: that's an example of debian's balance of licensing clarity with pragmatism about what users need. i.e. the base kernel doesn't include non-free firmware blobs but we do provide a way for the installer and the system to use them |
| 03:58.26 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: depends on the atheros. you may want to have the firmware available. check the install manual: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 03:58.52 | cookiemon5ter | i don't think there's firmware |
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| 03:59.04 | Hydroxide | most atheros chips need something non-free. some exceptions exist |
| 03:59.09 | Hydroxide | you're welcome to try it :) |
| 03:59.13 | cookiemon5ter | i just select the driver in the kernel and compile and it is good |
| 03:59.21 | Hydroxide | the upstream kernel includes non-free firmware |
| 03:59.30 | Hydroxide | linus doesn't care about that, debian does. |
| 03:59.34 | Hydroxide | debian still provides it |
| 03:59.37 | Hydroxide | but in non-free |
| 03:59.37 | kish | would i perhaps want the kfreebsd kernel? |
| 04:00.04 | cookiemon5ter | so where do i get non-free kernel ? |
| 04:00.14 | Hydroxide | kish: probably not unless you know what you're doing. although stable, it's a "technology preview", and especially on the desktop it works less well. if you're doing things like a ZFS file server in a VM it should work fine for that |
| 04:00.32 | holycow | !kxm |
| 04:00.39 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: you don't need a non-free kernel. you just need the firmware available during the installer. please look at the installation manual. it tells you how to provide the firwmare |
| 04:00.54 | Arrowmaster | !firmware |
| 04:00.54 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 04:01.51 | Arrowmaster | i think the big package is named firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 04:02.25 | Hydroxide | Arrowmaster: that's a source package name, I think. the binaries are more fine-grained. anyway, the tarball mentioned on the wiki page and in the installation manual dumps out the relevant .debs |
| 04:02.34 | Hydroxide | Arrowmaster: and the installer will install just the ones your system needs |
| 04:02.37 | Hydroxide | it's very snazzy |
| 04:03.03 | kishy | eesh...all these highlights, none intended for me. i don't like your nick kish! lol. |
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| 04:03.14 | kish | hah! |
| 04:03.24 | Hydroxide | grins |
| 04:04.17 | kishy | goes to see if he can turn off highlighting for a given term per-channel... |
| 04:04.44 | Hydroxide | kishy: for irssi, I'm guessing the answer is yes but I don't know how :) |
| 04:04.53 | Wyzard | Hydroxide: No, it's a binary package too |
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| 04:05.11 | kishy | i'm a windows guy on the machines i 'use'...xchat-wdk...not the most flexible thing in the world |
| 04:05.22 | cookiemon5ter | well i don't think this needs firmware |
| 04:05.31 | cookiemon5ter | doesn't say it in the kernel config anyways |
| 04:05.50 | Hydroxide | Wyzard: ah, apparently it's the grab-bag package for the ones that are too small to need their own binary |
| 04:06.21 | Hydroxide | cookiemon5ter: you're welcome to try. just be sure you have a way of getting the firmware if you need it :) I'd recommend downloading the tarball in advance, but it's up to you |
| 04:06.29 | Hydroxide | (to somewhere other than your installed system |
| 04:06.30 | Hydroxide | ) |
| 04:06.40 | cookiemon5ter | Hydroxide: good idea |
| 04:08.51 | Hydroxide | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#ftn.id586496 might explain a way to add firmware to the usb stick image, but I have no idea if it only works for the mini.iso |
| 04:08.55 | Hydroxide | anyway |
| 04:09.05 | Hydroxide | I'm going to do other things now. good luck! |
| 04:09.06 | Hydroxide | & |
| 04:09.09 | cookiemon5ter | thanks |
| 04:09.11 | kish | bye Hydroxide! |
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| 04:11.54 | kish | perhaps the kfreebsd kernel is better suited for my weakly atom |
| 04:12.04 | kish | i'm turning a netbook into a server! |
| 04:12.40 | bis0n | kish, a little server ^^ |
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| 04:13.14 | kishy | kish: i turned a Wyse thin client into a little server |
| 04:13.22 | bis0n | kish, but that's an good idea, not need UPS (baterry make job) and power cono is good... |
| 04:14.17 | bis0n | just for fun, one time, one neoware client... with 256Mb of ram... not really good for make an server... ^^ |
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| 04:14.34 | kish | which kernel? |
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| 04:16.24 | kish | http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~kc5dm/projects/osperf.pdf |
| 04:16.52 | kish | virginia thinks freebsd is better |
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| 04:18.18 | kish | i guess i can always install both kernels ;) |
| 04:18.54 | kish | that paper is better than i expected |
| 04:19.02 | bis0n | kish, I make my server with debian... just run an expert install and install an minimalist system, what is your configuration of netbook? |
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| 04:20.24 | kish | bis0n, it has a lovely N270 single core Atom cpu with a 1024MB ram |
| 04:20.24 | bis0n | by configuration I want say hardware conf... sorry for my poor english |
| 04:20.43 | bis0n | ok, and you want make an web server? file server, mail or? |
| 04:21.24 | bis0n | that is good for an squeeze minimalist without any X system, no problem for make an good littl server |
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| 04:21.51 | kish | just a general server bis0n. |
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| 04:24.31 | bis0n | kish, ??? what you spell an general server? an server can make many many different thing... you want an server of X system? for that the atom is a little short lol |
| 04:24.41 | cookiemon5ter | is there a way to add a repo or something instead of using all these cds |
| 04:25.06 | kish | bis0n, it ran ubuntu 10.10 just fine |
| 04:25.10 | kish | with gnome ;p |
| 04:25.20 | bis0n | cookiemon5ter, by synaptic... |
| 04:25.37 | bis0n | yes for sure |
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| 04:26.26 | bis0n | for only one client... |
| 04:26.30 | bis0n | lol |
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| 04:26.44 | cookiemon5ter | so i need to get this setup with wifi and i should be fine |
| 04:27.03 | cookiemon5ter | think i will do it at a friends place with internet though just incase |
| 04:27.09 | bis0n | cookiemon5ter, I have see atheros? |
| 04:27.40 | cookiemon5ter | 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 04:28.00 | cookiemon5ter | i didn't quite understand your question |
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| 04:29.00 | bis0n | cookiemon5ter, you re in squeeze |
| 04:29.01 | bis0n | ? |
| 04:29.12 | cookiemon5ter | pardon ? |
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| 04:29.20 | cookiemon5ter | is that v6 ? |
| 04:29.53 | cookiemon5ter | i am not on debian yet if that is what you're asking |
| 04:30.02 | cookiemon5ter | i am downloading now via torrent |
| 04:30.07 | cookiemon5ter | currently on gentoo |
| 04:30.16 | bis0n | Oo |
| 04:30.48 | cookiemon5ter | what do you mean by in squeeze ? |
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| 04:31.04 | bis0n | squeeze is an release of debian |
| 04:31.29 | cookiemon5ter | figured |
| 04:31.45 | cookiemon5ter | thought i saw that on a mirror |
| 04:31.47 | bis0n | don't know gentoo but if based on debian you need ath9k module for make wifi working |
| 04:32.15 | cookiemon5ter | bis0n: something you need to get or just something to load ? |
| 04:32.20 | bis0n | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k |
| 04:32.46 | bis0n | depend of your kernel, maybe just need load it |
| 04:33.28 | cookiemon5ter | should be with the latest |
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| 04:35.30 | bis0n | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k all you need to know is on this page, just do it! |
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| 04:36.19 | glitch-mod | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.16 | jelly-home | glitch-mod: /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 04:37.22 | nsadmin | deb's husband was called Ain? |
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| 04:37.54 | v_v | lol |
| 04:37.57 | jelly-home | nsadmin never makes mistakes? |
| 04:38.30 | nsadmin | mistake? what's that? |
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| 04:44.29 | bis0n | glitch-mod, apt-get install fglrx* on an root terminal (without x session on use) I think... |
| 04:45.28 | bis0n | ati use on linux = rock n'roll LOL |
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| 04:54.28 | bis0n | bye! have a nice day, or night... ^^ |
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| 04:54.32 | nsadmin | bis0n, fglrx is in non-free, configuration could be necessary to get that |
| 04:57.25 | glitch-mod | bier, no dice it would not detect my latest card but someone told me the flgrx from sid backports would work, I have no idea how to do that through |
| 04:57.51 | glitch-mod | bis0n, no dice it would not detect my latest card but someone told me the flgrx from sid backports would work, I have no idea how to do that through |
| 04:58.43 | Abddu | In my system openvpn is initiated by default, but I personally never use it. Do any apps use it? Do I need it, when I know I'm not going to use it myself? |
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| 04:59.18 | glitch-mod | does anybody know how to generate the packages for Debain/squeeze when installing the non-free ati drivers |
| 04:59.37 | asarch | How do you set the CPU Frequency Scaling at boot time? dpkg-reconfigure cpufrequtils doesn't work |
| 05:00.06 | joe6 | i just added a geForce6200 (with 2 outputs) to my computer. Is it possible to have 3 monitors attached? 2 to the graphics card and another to the onboard-VGA port: http://sprunge.us/diJQ |
| 05:00.16 | wols_ | joe6: yes |
| 05:00.31 | wols_ | asarch: it should work by default |
| 05:00.41 | jmarsden | !tell glitch-mod about simple sid backport |
| 05:00.46 | smugglerinc | Abddu: You could try disabling it then rebooting to see if it broke anything. |
| 05:00.52 | wols_ | glitch-mod: there are fglrx packages already existing in non-free |
| 05:00.53 | joe6 | and, can I use them as 3 different screens for xmonad? |
| 05:00.59 | asarch | I want "powersave" by default |
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| 05:01.18 | asarch | It has "ondemand" by default |
| 05:01.53 | glitch-mod | thanks jmarsden |
| 05:02.02 | jmarsden | glitch-mod: You're welcome. |
| 05:02.22 | asarch | vi /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils, GOVERNOR="powersave"? |
| 05:02.33 | Abddu | smugglerinc: Will try it. I think this might be a left over from time long gone when I was using openvpn daily (how did it sneak to the new distro install though?). |
| 05:02.52 | wols_ | asarch: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling read about sysfstools |
| 05:03.08 | asarch | Thank you wols_ |
| 05:03.12 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 05:03.24 | joe6 | wols_: nvidia for the graphics card monitors and then xinerama on top? |
| 05:03.27 | smugglerinc | Abddu: It is not installed on my system so it bust have installed on something that you were using. |
| 05:04.08 | wols_ | joe6: not sure the nvidia proprietary stuff works with the free drivers for the other card. "twinview" is pretty incompatible to everything else |
| 05:04.30 | joe6 | wols_, so xinerama for everything? |
| 05:05.04 | Abddu | smugglerinc: That is pretty scary, as this means other trash could sneak in as well while I wasn't watching and my install isn't as 'clean' as I thought. :/ |
| 05:05.11 | wols_ | joe6: ONE channel. not ten. have a nice day |
| 05:05.17 | joe6 | wols_, xinerama for everything. |
| 05:05.25 | joe6 | wols_, thanks. sorry about that. |
| 05:05.35 | wols_ | Abddu: did you use tasksel? did you tell apt to not install recommended packages |
| 05:05.43 | wols_ | ? |
| 05:05.52 | joe6 | wols_, I normally do not get a response from one channel. It just happened that you and valan were willing to help out at the same time. |
| 05:05.58 | joe6 | wols_, sorry about that. |
| 05:06.03 | smugglerinc | Abddu: apt-get autoremove might be worth running. |
| 05:06.27 | glitch-mod | jmarsden, Is there a more verbose guide to adding a backport, I'm kinda new |
| 05:07.31 | jmarsden | glitch-mod: I'm not sure. To get a bit more, you can /msg dpkg WHATEVER where WHATEVER is one of the items in <> in the first msg I sent to you from dpkg. |
| 05:07.33 | glitch-mod | nevermind |
| 05:07.43 | glitch-mod | found it http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 05:07.46 | smugglerinc | Abddu: Also, trash sneaks in sometimes, it happens. Thankfully bigger hard drives are standard now. |
| 05:07.46 | Abddu | wols_: Yes, I used it during install, and only chose "basic system" or however this was called. |
| 05:07.54 | wols_ | glitch-mod: why do you need a backport? |
| 05:08.34 | wols_ | glitch-mod: backports.org has no fglrx drivers usually. |
| 05:08.36 | Abddu | smugglerinc: autoremove - 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 05:08.49 | glitch-mod | to get fglrx installed that can recognize a 6990 and 3x5870's |
| 05:09.41 | wols_ | glitch-mod: you need to do your own backport then, nothing on backports.org for you |
| 05:09.56 | glitch-mod | I tried installing from the .run binary but I didn't know how to generate the debian specific packages for squeeze |
| 05:10.31 | Abddu | If I remove virtualbox-ose init script from run level 2, will Virtual Box be ok upon launch, or will I have to [re]start the init script first? |
| 05:10.40 | glitch-mod | I'm almost scared to ask how I would roll my own backport |
| 05:10.43 | smugglerinc | Abddu: Then your box is probably relatively clean. A command that might be interesting to trell through is 'dpkg -l' if your concerned about other undesirable packages being installed. |
| 05:11.04 | smugglerinc | Abddu: You will need to run it before launching. |
| 05:11.18 | dvs | glitch-mod: I'd try installing the backported kernel first. |
| 05:11.55 | glitch-mod | dvs, why? |
| 05:12.16 | dvs | glitch-mod: It recognizes the newer AMD video cards. |
| 05:12.34 | wols_ | dvs: and what would that help? |
| 05:12.50 | Abddu | smugglerinc: Thank you. Is there a place describing all the default init scripts purpose, somewhere? |
| 05:12.50 | wols_ | dvs: no fglrx parts are in the kernel |
| 05:12.55 | glitch-mod | It already recognizes my cards and all gpus |
| 05:13.17 | dvs | wols_: Oh? He had to run the fglrx driver? |
| 05:13.31 | wols_ | dvs: read the logs |
| 05:13.32 | smugglerinc | Abddu: As in why all of the scripts are there? I don't think so. |
| 05:13.34 | glitch-mod | I can use aticonfig --list-adapters to show them |
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| 05:14.51 | dvs | wols_: I guess I'm missing the part before <glitch-mod> bier, no dice it would not detect my latest card |
| 05:15.28 | glitch-mod | dvs, that is what happened when I installed from the squeeze repo |
| 05:15.50 | dvs | glitch-mod: You haven't finished the install? |
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| 05:15.57 | Onryo | Hi I thought I would try out wheezy/sid on my VM to test it out. As of now I am using wheezy/testing. What should my repo look like for Wheezy/sid? |
| 05:16.14 | Abddu | smugglerinc: Maybe not "why", but at least a one-liner "what". Some names are cryptic. |
| 05:16.37 | wols_ | Onryo: don't mix branches. right now you run testing, period |
| 05:16.38 | glitch-mod | dvs, That was a previous attempt, I reinstalled the OS after that |
| 05:17.18 | wols_ | glitch-mod: /msg dpkg simple sid backport told you what to do. idling in here is nice but won't solve your problem |
| 05:17.43 | Onryo | My repo looks like this now: |
| 05:17.45 | smugglerinc | Abddu: Googling the name of the init script might tell you what you would like to know. |
| 05:17.51 | glitch-mod | wols_, alright |
| 05:17.56 | Onryo | deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 05:17.56 | Onryo | deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 05:17.59 | Onryo | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib |
| 05:18.00 | Onryo | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib |
| 05:18.04 | wols_ | !paste |
| 05:18.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 05:18.37 | dvs | glitch-mod: Well, the wheezy firmware-linux-nonfree package has * Radeon HD 6900-family MC microcode (radeon/CAYMAN_mc.bin) |
| 05:18.37 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.06 | glitch-mod | dvs, should I just install that instead? |
| 05:19.16 | wols_ | dvs: again, what does this help him? |
| 05:20.00 | dvs | glitch-mod: Ok, just listen to wols_ |
| 05:20.06 | dvs | sits back and relax |
| 05:20.17 | Abddu | smugglerinc: That's what I'm doing right now. :D I think I don't need exim4, as I won't configure a mail server. Apps like icedove or kmail won't need it? |
| 05:20.31 | wols_ | Abddu: you do need a mailserver |
| 05:20.37 | Onryo | Still wondering what the best way to install Wheezy/sid. I know the risks. My main computer is OpenBSD 4.8 so I am solid there. |
| 05:20.46 | glitch-mod | dvs, it does sound like I need that package.... |
| 05:20.47 | wols_ | Abddu: you don't necessarily need exim4, but a MTA is mandatory |
| 05:21.37 | dvs | glitch-mod: Yes, sid has a slightly newer version so either version should work. |
| 05:22.18 | glitch-mod | dvs, Is this the line I need to be putting in my sources --------> deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
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| 05:22.41 | Abddu | wols_: Didn't know that. Will look into it, surprised my system needs a mailserver, interesting. |
| 05:23.17 | wols_ | Abddu: lots of prgrams want to send mail to the user, e.g. cron. therefore something handling this mail is needed |
| 05:23.22 | dvs | glitch-mod: It's not in squeeze-backports. It's either wheezy or sid. |
| 05:23.24 | glitch-mod | even tho dpkg is telling me to only install the src line |
| 05:23.34 | glitch-mod | oops |
| 05:23.35 | glitch-mod | sorry |
| 05:23.56 | Onryo | wols_ you said "don't mix repos" can you follow though on what needs to be done? |
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| 05:24.26 | glitch-mod | dvs, better? deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports sid-backports main |
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| 05:24.53 | wols_ | Onryo: you use either use sid or wheezy, not both |
| 05:24.59 | dvs | glitch-mod: sid doesn't have backports. |
| 05:25.17 | glitch-mod | wait, wat? |
| 05:25.18 | Arrowmaster | you can mix testing and unstable, its mixing anything else that shouldnt be done |
| 05:25.35 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: what's the point when you want to run sid in the first place |
| 05:25.45 | smugglerinc | deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 05:26.01 | smugglerinc | Thats the line you want for sid |
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| 05:26.43 | Onryo | wols_ well I am a developer on Blender and use python 3.2 for one. 99% of my computer I have compiled the apps to make them more stable. |
| 05:26.44 | glitch-mod | really confused |
| 05:27.07 | wols_ | Onryo: I see your epeen from 5000 miles away. thank you |
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| 05:27.39 | Onryo | wols_ I am in Sweden but my shell account that I ssh though is in Poland |
| 05:27.52 | wols_ | btw: if you have compiled "99% of my computer", debian is not for you. it's a binary distro |
| 05:28.11 | smugglerinc | glitch-mod: Backports are taking newer programs to older distros. sid is not an older distro. |
| 05:28.34 | wols_ | sends a sarcasm detector to poland, sweden and any other place Onryo's higher conciousness might reside. I guess I will have a big postal bill this month |
| 05:28.47 | Onryo | wols_ right now I am trying to get Gnome to multiseat. I will not use Ubuntu thx to Unity. I hate blobs too. |
| 05:29.00 | dvs | glitch-mod: sid doesn't have (or needs) any backports. It were the newest packages get placed into. |
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| 05:29.54 | Onryo | wols_ OK then I will will not use my ssh account. One sec and Ill be in Sweden. |
| 05:29.54 | dvs | *where |
| 05:30.09 | glitch-mod | smugglerinc, so how do I install a package for sid onto squeeze? |
| 05:30.17 | wols_ | Onryo: don't bother. please. |
| 05:30.21 | smugglerinc | Backports |
| 05:30.26 | wols_ | checks the day of the week. yep,it's sunday |
| 05:30.45 | wols_ | glitch-mod: you follow the "simple sid backport" factoid |
| 05:31.01 | dvs | smugglerinc: what version of firmware-linux-nonfree is in backports? |
| 05:31.02 | wols_ | smugglerinc: what he wants isn't on backports.org |
| 05:31.14 | boudiccas | how do i install the .debs for libreoffice that i downloaded from the libreoffice site please? i've tried .....dpkg -i *.deb ....... but it didnt work |
| 05:31.25 | wols_ | !tell boudiccas about doesn't work |
| 05:31.28 | smugglerinc | wols_: ah gotcha |
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| 05:31.52 | wols_ | smugglerinc: but he's great a procrastinging what needs to be done to get his fglrx version |
| 05:31.52 | smugglerinc | dvs: I have no idea. |
| 05:32.01 | Onryo | wols_ is that better |
| 05:32.07 | boudiccas | id didn't work = it didn't install :) |
| 05:32.27 | wols_ | boudiccas: read the dpkg factoid again. this time actually try to understand what it says |
| 05:32.43 | wols_ | boudiccas: for example where it talks about "define" |
| 05:33.22 | wols_ | Onryo: haven't you your answer since a long time ago from smugglerinc? |
| 05:33.41 | Onryo | wols_ testing has nothing to do with sid. It is just unstable as heck. Don't see a reason why Wheezy cant be used with the sid repo |
| 05:34.08 | wols_ | Onryo: then be happy. and read /msg dpkg sid have a nice day |
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| 05:34.24 | boudiccas | how do i install the .debs for libreoffice that i downloaded from the libreoffice site please? i've tried .....dpkg -i *.deb ....... but it didnt install. this is with a fresh install of debian 6 and kde |
| 05:35.08 | glitch-mod | wols_, like so? http://pastebin.com/7CwDjYWy |
| 05:35.58 | wols_ | Your paste has triggered our automatic SPAM detection filter. This happens when links are detected in a paste. To confirm you are not a bot, please fill out the captcha below. |
| 05:36.19 | wols_ | and I won't enable friggin cookies for a pastebin. morons |
| 05:37.34 | Onryo | Weird I never need cookies for my pastebin account? |
| 05:38.33 | glitch-mod | Did that work/look OK? |
| 05:38.35 | wols_ | pastebin.com are apparently too dumb to do a captcha without needing cookies from the client. |
| 05:40.24 | glitch-mod | I went ahead and run apt-get update, works! |
| 05:40.33 | glitch-mod | lives life on the edge |
| 05:41.54 | Gump | hey, #debian. I'm still having problems with OSS and flash. i've tried downloading and recompiling flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound for amd64, and no luck. is anyone else on here currently using OSSv4? |
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| 05:42.36 | buhman | Onryo: pastebin.com is generally pretty crappy |
| 05:43.20 | buhman | Onryo: paste.debian.net is ok; paste.pocoo.org is good |
| 05:43.53 | Abddu | buhman: "pocoo" means "whatfor" in Polish. :P |
| 05:44.06 | JasonWoof | huh? why did aptitude just install the 39-pae kernel? I've been using bigmem for a while |
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| 05:44.57 | buhman | when trying to start the sound recorder, I'm told: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/393033/ |
| 05:44.58 | Onryo | buhman kind of weird since I always use noscript ABP etc and it works. Ill just paste where ever its is fast to paste. Just made a patch for bridging google's WebM into the trunk of FFmpeg. Faster then mailing it around =) |
| 05:45.37 | Onryo | buhman but thx for the tip! |
| 05:46.14 | buhman | Onryo: you're welcome |
| 05:47.49 | Gump | #debian, anyone got some experience with oss? |
| 05:49.01 | JasonWoof | so pae sounds like it does the same thing as bigmem, and now I see that the bigmem dummy package now depends on pae |
| 05:49.11 | buhman | Gump: meta-questions will get you nowhere |
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| 05:49.58 | Gump | buhman, seems almost no one uses OSS. i've been asking about the specific problem, and no one really knows. so i want to find someone who uses OSS and find out how they got around this issue |
| 05:50.08 | glitch-mod | now I just install this? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/fglrx-driver |
| 05:50.40 | Jordan_U | Gump: Why aren't you using ALSA? |
| 05:50.52 | buhman | glitch-mod: for? |
| 05:51.22 | Parsifal | Gump: Just ask your question, and if someone knows, they'll answer. For what it's worth, I used OSS on Debian GNU/Linux for a while before I made the switch to GNU/kFreeBSD. |
| 05:51.46 | buhman | glitch-mod: if you want fglrx, that would probably be the package that would pull in the rest of the relevant packages |
| 05:51.51 | glitch-mod | buhman, I get blank screens unless I boot into recovery mode |
| 05:52.05 | wols_ | buhman: not for his squeeze. he tries to do a sid backport |
| 05:52.15 | Arrowmaster | Onryo: ffmpeg should already have webm support |
| 05:52.29 | buhman | wols_: and fglrx doesn't work in sid? |
| 05:52.35 | wols_ | glitch-mod: the blank screen can be fixed with the firmware package discussed earlier. but that won't work for X11 |
| 05:52.39 | buhman | wols_: oh, misread |
| 05:52.58 | Arrowmaster | JasonWoof: same thing, just a new name |
| 05:53.00 | wols_ | buhman: he has a 500$ ati videocard and wants to use it in debian. a radeon 6990 |
| 05:53.08 | glitch-mod | wols_, how should I proceed? |
| 05:53.19 | buhman | wols_: I didn't think fglrx supported 6990 |
| 05:53.30 | buhman | wols_: unless that's changed in the last month or so |
| 05:53.42 | wols_ | glitch-mod: by actually following the simple sid backport factoid for a change. I think I told you this the fourth or fifth time by now. not that you ever listened before or will listen now |
| 05:54.19 | wols_ | < glitch-mod> to get fglrx installed that can recognize a 6990 and 3x5870's |
| 05:54.25 | JasonWoof | Arrowmaster: ahh, thanks. Good to hear my suspicion confirmed :) |
| 05:54.26 | wols_ | buhman: there you have it |
| 05:54.42 | Gump | parsifal, did you have a problem with audio in flashplayer while using OSS? |
| 05:54.45 | glitch-mod | sorry |
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| 05:55.40 | boudiccas | with a fresh install of debian 6 using KDE, i've been trying to install the debs for libreoffice without success. I've tried .... dpkg -i *.deb ... but it failed saying that ... error processing *.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory ........ can anyone help me please with the correct syntax for the installation? |
| 05:55.59 | wols_ | glitch-mod: the firmware package from wheezy as told you before you should be able to download from packages.debian.org and install with dpkg just fine. that should fix your blank screen thing when booting. but for X drivers you probably need the fglrx backport from you |
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| 05:56.11 | wols_ | *from sid you have to compile/package yourself |
| 05:56.29 | Parsifal | Gump: I don't use Flash Player, but try adding this to /etc/asound.conf if you haven't already: http://paste.debian.net/117590/ |
| 05:56.44 | Parsifal | Gump: If you want anything more than wild stabs in the dark, stop asking metaquestions and describe your actual problem. |
| 05:56.53 | wols_ | boudiccas: better but still no cigar. /msg dpkg bat (this applies to dpkg too) |
| 05:56.55 | glitch-mod | wols_, I see that why it tells me to add as a deb-src right? |
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| 05:57.07 | Parsifal | Gump: Oh, and you need libasound2-plugins installed for that asound.conf to work |
| 05:57.10 | Gump | parsifal, thanks. i've been doing that and no luck so far. but i'm gonna try what you suggested |
| 05:57.13 | kantor | hello, Is there a way to tell when was your Linux system installed ? (maybe a file which is created at installation time and is never modified after . . . so I can check the creation time) |
| 05:57.27 | wols_ | boudiccas: the important part is a full paste of what you typed and what your debian system spat back at you |
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| 05:57.49 | wols_ | Parsifal: he runs OSS4. does OSS4 use asound.conf? |
| 05:58.07 | joe6 | i am trying to add my video card info to the xorg.conf. But, there is no xorg.conf. I know that to add keyboard settings we add it to /etc/default/keyboard instead of to xorg.conf |
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| 05:58.15 | wols_ | karsten: check when /usr or /boot was created? |
| 05:58.21 | Parsifal | wols_: No, but libasound does. That asound.conf tells libasound to use OSS instead of ALSA drivers. |
| 05:58.23 | joe6 | is there such an /etc/default for video cards and monitors too? |
| 05:58.29 | wols_ | joe6: just create it then |
| 05:58.31 | kantor | hello, Is there a way to tell when was your Linux system installed ? (maybe a file which is created at installation time and is never modified after . . . so I can check the creation time) |
| 05:58.44 | joe6 | wols_, oh, ok. was not sure if it will be used. |
| 05:58.51 | joe6 | wols_, will do, thanks. |
| 05:58.57 | Onryo | Arrowmaster sry I was reading about sid. It does to some degree but the presets for VP8 are not in ffmpeg |
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| 05:59.28 | Gump | holy jesus Parsifal. that fixed the problem. so there is something to be said for stabbing in the dark after all :D thanks man |
| 05:59.31 | Arrowmaster | oh for encoding? |
| 05:59.50 | buhman | joe6: afaik the idea is that with kms you shouldn't need xorg.conf, but that isn't always the case |
| 06:00.29 | wols_ | buhman: lack of xorg.conf is around a lot longer than kms, and it didn't work then and doesn't work now :P |
| 06:01.18 | Onryo | Arrowmaster, if you like I can show you a pastebin of patch I wrote to hook them 2gether. Or just a big bash script that will pull the gits of ffmpeg webm x264 and patches them with comping. |
| 06:01.19 | boudiccas | wols_; http://pastebin.com/7H8jHunE for my dpkg query |
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| 06:01.58 | joe6 | buhman, I want to use xinerama with the graphics card that I have. But, I am not sure where I should be entering the settings if not in xorg.conf |
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| 06:02.02 | glitch-mod | wols_, As per the dpkg sid backport guide is this the command I should be entering? aptitude build-dep fglrx-driver |
| 06:02.09 | joe6 | is there a different place with kms? |
| 06:02.10 | wols_ | boudiccas: and what does "ls -l *.deb" say? |
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| 06:03.21 | boudiccas | wols_; ls -l *.deb ls: cannot access *.deb: No such file or directory |
| 06:03.21 | buhman | joe6: afaik, xrandr should be able to produce xinerama |
| 06:03.48 | glitch-mod | or is that the package in the squeeze repo, or should I skip that step? |
| 06:04.37 | wols_ | boudiccas: then maybe you should go into a directory where there are *.deb files and which are accessible for your current user? |
| 06:04.54 | Onryo | Arrowmaster her is the patch I am sending to Google tomorrow http://pastebin.com/XcwPVwjQ |
| 06:05.09 | buhman | joe6: come to think of it, I've gone from single<->cloned, single<->xinerama, and cloned<->xinerama before without modifying the xorg.conf |
| 06:05.12 | wols_ | buhman: he has more than one videocard, and wants to use more than one output from his nvidia one |
| 06:05.20 | buhman | wols_: eww... |
| 06:05.36 | Arrowmaster | Onryo: why to google? |
| 06:05.46 | buhman | joe6: yeah, you'll need to write your xorg.conf probably |
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| 06:06.29 | buhman | joe6: though I would still see if xrandr is flexible enough |
| 06:06.59 | buhman | joe6: you might not need to actually write out the whole xinerama bit, but simply enable both devices |
| 06:07.12 | Onryo | Arrowmaster they are the ones behind webm and work with the guys over at ffmpeg. |
| 06:07.25 | buhman | (never tried dual-video card before, so I have no idea how it behaves) |
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| 06:07.37 | joe6 | buhman, I am trying to get 3 monitors working on my system. 2 on a geForce6200 and one to the on-board vga |
| 06:07.41 | glitch-mod | Do I want to continue? http://pastebin.com/viKEvrLS |
| 06:07.56 | Arrowmaster | Onryo: if you want anything done with the patch send it to ffmpeg/libav directly |
| 06:07.58 | joe6 | i do not want to use nvidia twinview as I cannot use the onboard VGA with that. |
| 06:08.00 | Onryo | Arrowmaster youtube is going to start using webm. Means finally we wont have to use that damn Flash Player. Enough with just Firefox 4 |
| 06:08.08 | joe6 | hence, the option to use xinerama. |
| 06:08.31 | joe6 | buhman, will try out xrandr |
| 06:08.41 | Arrowmaster | Onryo: or send it to libvpx |
| 06:08.49 | Arrowmaster | but you wont get much response from google |
| 06:08.52 | Onryo | Arrowmaster they care more about x264 |
| 06:09.03 | buhman | joe6: the gnome "Monitor" application is basically an xrandr gui, albeit probably less flexible |
| 06:09.20 | Arrowmaster | Onryo: and one of the lead x264 devs wrote libvpx |
| 06:09.25 | Onryo | Arrowmaster, VP8 is libvpx |
| 06:09.27 | joe6 | buhman, does xrandr use kms? |
| 06:09.58 | joe6 | buhman, the gnome "Monitor" application seems pretty useless. |
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| 06:10.25 | buhman | joe6: does your bios support using your onboard card and the external card simultaneously? |
| 06:10.44 | Onryo | Arrowmaster, well more or less git://review.webmproject.org/libvpx and git://git.videolan.org/ffmpeg.git |
| 06:10.57 | buhman | last time I had an internal video card, it was on an old AGP pentium 3 board with the intel 440 |
| 06:11.05 | boudiccas | wols_; http://pastebin.com/FDNkKh8z ....... gives the command line showing that i'm trying to install as root and the correct pathway of the .deb files |
| 06:11.07 | Arrowmaster | Onryo: and dont forget libav |
| 06:11.54 | SorryUser | hey, I'm trying to run a service as another user, I tried adding a startup script at init.d that does su ... -c .... In Debian 5 it works great, in Debian 6 it asks for a password |
| 06:12.05 | wols_ | boudiccas: as the ls -l *.deb command proved: there is no accessible .deb file. if there is no file, dpkg cannot install anything. pretty evident, no? show me a deb file please |
| 06:12.12 | SorryUser | why is that and can you think of another way to do it? |
| 06:12.28 | joe6 | buhman, this is my lspci -vv output: http://sprunge.us/eRAX |
| 06:12.42 | joe6 | buhman, I see a display controller and a vga controller in there |
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| 06:13.00 | joe6 | buhman: hence, I am presuming the bios supports using both at the same time. |
| 06:13.12 | buhman | joe6: interesting |
| 06:13.52 | boudiccas | wols_; file:///home/boztu/programmes/LibO_3.3.2rc2_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS/libobasis3.3-base_3.3.2-19_i386.deb ....... is just one of the debs files there |
| 06:14.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok.. I am confused what the heck is udhcpd? is that some funky dhcpd server? I dont follow the same syntax as dhcpd... |
| 06:14.08 | glitch-mod | wols_, I should be apt-getting the source not the driver? apt-get -b source fglrx-source |
| 06:14.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | it.. |
| 06:14.29 | wols_ | boudiccas: you are in LibO_3.3.2rc2_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US and want to install files from LibO_3.3.2rc2_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS see the problem? you are in the wrong directory |
| 06:14.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | is it a replacement for dhcpd? I had my dhcpd server working fine now I upgrade to squeeze and I guess it installed this.. |
| 06:14.50 | Onryo | Arrowmaster this automagic script I wrote to install off of that stuff and update it too http://pastebin.com/NHXrsBxm |
| 06:15.08 | Parsifal | Eryn_1983_FL: aptitude show udhcpd; man udhcpd |
| 06:15.22 | Onryo | Arrowmaster made this for a GF who does is an ubuntu user |
| 06:15.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 06:16.44 | Onryo | Arrowmaster or you can just watch my video on youtube. I made it in webm HD. If you have mozilla 4 you can watch it without flash =) |
| 06:16.45 | Onryo | www.youtube.com/user/0nryo?blend=1&ob=5#p/u/0/L0IDV6r-bCI |
| 06:19.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i found the man file |
| 06:19.46 | Onryo | Arrowmaster so that is why I need bleeding edge stuff so I code programs |
| 06:19.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | man udhcpd.conf |
| 06:20.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | whatever I wll figure it out later right now aslong as peeps can get ips its cool.. |
| 06:20.03 | joe6 | buhman, do you think it will work |
| 06:20.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | I bet the neighbors got like 20 now.... |
| 06:20.19 | joe6 | buhman: should I check in #xorg about this? |
| 06:20.53 | wols_ | Eryn_1983_FL: you can still get the "normal" dhcpd if you want |
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| 06:20.57 | joe6 | i see these options available to setup xinerama: xorg.conf, kms, xrandr . which is the best and latest preferred option to do so? |
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| 06:22.06 | joe6 | let me check in #linux |
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| 06:25.38 | Bushmills | joe6, xinerama development seems to have been arrested since 2007. xrandr appears to be "it" now. kms is not focussing on X |
| 06:26.10 | joe6 | Bushmills: Doesn't xrandr assume the setup to be one big desktop? |
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| 06:26.27 | Bushmills | "xinerama" as the X extension, not as the goal of splitting views |
| 06:26.32 | joe6 | Bushmills: I am trying to use xmonad on all these 3 monitors as 3 different workspaces? |
| 06:26.46 | Bushmills | no,xrandr can also clone screens |
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| 06:27.25 | Bushmills | different workspaces is more a matter of how the window manager supports multiple screens |
| 06:27.38 | joe6 | Bushmills: oh, ok. |
| 06:27.42 | Bushmills | xmonad works supposedly nicely with multiple screens |
| 06:28.14 | joe6 | Bushmills: ok, let me search for some guide on how to use xrandr to setup multiple screens/monitors. |
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| 06:34.04 | glitch-mod | I can't build the debs, I really did try and follow what dpkg-bot told me: http://pastebin.com/HtaUH5B2 |
| 06:34.48 | glitch-mod | using: sudo dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 06:35.19 | glitch-mod | should I purge and try again? |
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| 06:38.28 | glitch-mod | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.00 | glitch-mod | aptitude works |
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| 06:46.47 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 06:47.25 | man_in_ltop | is it possible to use fluidsynth as an alsa sequencer, in the same way as with timidity |
| 06:47.26 | man_in_ltop | ? |
| 06:48.49 | joe6 | I have a windows computer and it allows me to use the onboard VGA port and the port of the graphics card. Is it dependent on the BIOS of that particular computer? |
| 06:49.12 | joe6 | or is this a linux-specific thing? |
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| 06:49.31 | joe6 | that the onboard VGA port is not available to use when there is a graphics card? |
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| 07:02.45 | glitch-mod | I Fail. http://pastebin.com/mkmudVdG |
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| 07:04.14 | Sebboh | Hello. I just installed wheezy on some Dell desktop, an optiplex 780, which only has USB, no ps/2 keyboard port, and I get no response from the keyboard and mouse after the Grub screen.. The mouse doesn't glow--looks like the USB ports are all off. |
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| 07:04.58 | Sebboh | I selected the "targeted" driver install mode during installation. |
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| 07:08.53 | student | hey i have a question i just install debian wheezy but now, every time i start up x, my system freezes i don't know why |
| 07:10.47 | Sebboh | student, you should check the dmesg output and Xorg logs.. You know how to find 'em? |
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| 07:10.59 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 07:11.14 | Gump | hello |
| 07:11.16 | anima- | hi |
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| 07:13.31 | ragnar76 | got a problem, i dont now when, yesterday, two days ago, i got a new kernel in wheezy and since then my printer has gone. i can see it in syslog ( plug/unplug ) but when i want to print something i get an error no device found. what could be wrong? |
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| 07:17.17 | simplechat | Hey guys, i'm trying to get dhcpcd to run once, get the dhcp lease then gtfo |
| 07:17.24 | simplechat | but it really doesn't seem to want to do so |
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| 07:17.34 | dutchfish | ragnar76, what debian version, udev version, kernel version? |
| 07:17.35 | simplechat | and it seems to be doing something strange in that right afterwords i can't seem to kill it |
| 07:18.43 | wols_ | well, dhcpd is a daemon after all. why can't you use /etc/network/interfaces normally? |
| 07:19.10 | ragnar76 | dutchfish:in short. wheezy, 2.6.38-2-686-bigmem and udev. well don't know how to find out |
| 07:19.13 | simplechat | I'm using dhcp on the network |
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| 07:19.19 | simplechat | we don't have any static ip assignments |
| 07:19.22 | wols_ | simplechat: that doesn't answer my question |
| 07:19.33 | simplechat | we don't have static ip assignments |
| 07:19.33 | dutchfish | ragnar76, `dpkg -l | grep udev` |
| 07:19.43 | simplechat | and we have a single system image for all machines |
| 07:19.49 | simplechat | so we can't store machine specific info, ie. ips |
| 07:19.53 | wols_ | simplechat: whc can't you use /etc/network/interfaces. interfaces uses by default dhcp. configured like this right out of the installer |
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| 07:20.14 | ragnar76 | dutchfish: 167-3 |
| 07:20.38 | dutchfish | ragnar76, do you have a /run dir and does it contains something? |
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| 07:21.13 | wols_ | dutchfish: what is /run normally used for? I understand /var/run, but simply /run? |
| 07:21.22 | Arrowmaster | simplechat: why not just use the default dhclient |
| 07:21.24 | simplechat | wols_, default dhcp doesn't support infiniband |
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| 07:21.37 | dutchfish | wols_, its part of the new udev |
| 07:21.41 | ragnar76 | dutchfish: no, i have not |
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| 07:23.49 | dutchfish | ragnar76, i believe udev is the culprit on this, but version 170-1 is being on its way: http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/udev.html |
| 07:24.05 | haarp | hello. going from oldtesting (squeeze) to the new testing, dist-upgrade wants to remove backuppc, the main reason for this servers existance. what to do? |
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| 07:24.43 | wols_ | ,versions backuppc |
| 07:24.44 | judd | Package backuppc on i386 -- lenny: 3.1.0-4lenny3; squeeze: 3.1.0-9; sid: 3.2.0-3 |
| 07:24.53 | dutchfish | ragnar76, the curent unstable version doe snot help either (to my own expirience); last option might be to downgrade udev if you cant wait to squeeze's version (164-3) |
| 07:25.07 | wols_ | haarp: apt-get install backuppc |
| 07:25.14 | ragnar76 | dutchfish: i can wait |
| 07:25.40 | haarp | says its already at the newest version, wols_ |
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| 07:25.46 | dutchfish | ragnar76, udev is in a constant flux atm, so just follow its progress and be a bit patient |
| 07:25.53 | ragnar76 | dutchfish: in case of emergency, i can print over network on another printer |
| 07:26.03 | dutchfish | ragnar76, ok |
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| 07:26.04 | wols_ | !tell haarp about bat |
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| 07:26.33 | alyosha | hi, i need some help with my lan card |
| 07:26.35 | alyosha | i put new one in pc |
| 07:26.39 | alyosha | and it's not recognised |
| 07:26.48 | alyosha | and i'm not sure what should i do? |
| 07:27.09 | ragnar76 | alyosha: have you installed the firmware packages? |
| 07:27.16 | alyosha | i don't have any |
| 07:27.38 | alyosha | i'm not realy sure witch card it is:/ |
| 07:27.40 | wols_ | alyosha: but you might need them. depending on the lan chip |
| 07:27.53 | wols_ | alyosha: lspciv -nn |
| 07:27.54 | alyosha | i tought it will recognised itself |
| 07:27.57 | wols_ | alyosha: lspci -nn |
| 07:28.51 | haarp | wols_: http://pastebin.com/qVrte3Ej |
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| 07:29.08 | alyosha | aha |
| 07:29.22 | alyosha | it's Realtek but i don't see any model here |
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| 07:29.42 | dutchfish | ragnar76, you could bookmark this one and follow what is going on http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/current/changelog |
| 07:29.44 | wols_ | haarp: the one that _errors_ the upgrade to squeeze... |
| 07:30.00 | wols_ | alyosha: there are numbers in brackets at the end. which ones? |
| 07:30.11 | haarp | its an upgrade FROM squeeze |
| 07:30.43 | wols_ | haarp: why? |
| 07:30.43 | ragnar76 | dutchfish: ok, done |
| 07:30.52 | alyosha | Realtek ..... Device [10ec:a139] (rev 10) |
| 07:30.57 | wols_ | !why is backuppc not in testing |
| 07:30.57 | dpkg | backuppc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=backuppc |
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| 07:31.06 | haarp | i like having newer toys |
| 07:31.10 | wols_ | !tell alyosha about firmware |
| 07:31.15 | haarp | i was running testing before |
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| 07:31.26 | haarp | shortly before testing became stable |
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| 07:32.23 | haarp | wols_: http://pastebin.com/V4Qf25cx |
| 07:32.54 | wols_ | haarp: well we know now why backkuppc balks at wheezy. dpkg just gave us the reason |
| 07:33.16 | haarp | i must be blind because i dont see it :( |
| 07:33.44 | haarp | incompatible with newer perl? |
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| 07:34.57 | Arrowmaster | youll need to wait for the current sid version to migrate to testing |
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| 07:35.41 | dutchfish | no, it depends on perl-suid which is not in the repos |
| 07:36.14 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: it won't. in sid it needs perl-suid too and perl-suid in sid is for perl 5.10. something is screwy there... |
| 07:36.30 | glitch-mod | How do I install this: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg/news/20110208T154805Z.html |
| 07:36.38 | Arrowmaster | ah the perl-suid in sid is only for two archs |
| 07:36.57 | wols_ | ,versions xorg |
| 07:36.58 | judd | Package xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; sid: 1:7.6+6; wheezy: 1:7.6+6 |
| 07:37.15 | haarp | eh, interesting |
| 07:37.21 | Arrowmaster | glitch-mod: you wait for a new stable release or you switch to testing |
| 07:37.36 | haarp | i guess ill be staying like this until the rpbolem is resolved and the packages work |
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| 07:38.02 | dutchfish | good choice |
| 07:38.11 | haarp | thanks |
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| 07:39.24 | alyosha | wolfric |
| 07:39.29 | alyosha | ehh no:) |
| 07:39.46 | alyosha | wols_ i'm looking at this but cant not find |
| 07:39.51 | alyosha | thoes drivers |
| 07:40.05 | wols_ | alyosha: there are no drivers to get but firmware |
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| 07:40.37 | alyosha | that yes:) i'm prety new in all this:) |
| 07:40.51 | wols_ | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek |
| 07:40.56 | alyosha | hmm i just fount this |
| 07:40.57 | alyosha | :) |
| 07:41.01 | alyosha | so i put this on |
| 07:41.01 | alyosha | usb |
| 07:41.04 | alyosha | and install? |
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| 07:41.57 | nz17 | Hello all. My DVDROM drive never has an alias to it in /dev, and the permissions are always 600. How to fix? |
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| 07:53.27 | aspect | hmm I've been here 5 minutes and no activity: is everyone working on getting alioth back up? |
| 07:53.56 | nevyn | hrm |
| 07:55.09 | nsadmin | who's everyone? |
| 07:55.39 | nsadmin | aspect, apparantly this was scheduled maintainance |
| 07:55.49 | aspect | ah, that's reassuring |
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| 07:56.37 | Sebboh | When I boot my new, freshly installed wheezy box, (installed from DI netboot 2011-04-29 I had laying around,) my USB ports seem to be powered off after grub. Which is a problem, because the system doesn't have any sort of keyboard connector other than USB. :) Using grub, I can boot into single user mode, but I don't have USB power there, either. Advice? |
| 07:57.00 | nsadmin | I don't know that for a fact because I (1) don't have anything on alioth and (2) have not heard from anyone who does to say they were notified (something which would support the idea of it being -scheduled-) |
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| 07:59.10 | MrFrood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:00.29 | dutchfish | nz17, where does your symlink dvd & dvdrw point too?; can you paste `udevadm test /block/[device name from symlnk]/` to pastebin? |
| 08:00.54 | aspect | nsadmin: I don't have anything to do with it other than occasionally pulling from repositories there, but when that failed I started worrying it may have been raptured |
| 08:01.45 | Sebboh | aspect :) |
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| 08:10.48 | joe7 | is anyone on debian testing using the nouveau driver with xinerama dual monitor setup? |
| 08:10.58 | joe7 | I have this error: Xorg fails to start with "(EE) [drm] failed to open device" |
| 08:11.12 | dutchfish | ... |
| 08:11.29 | joe7 | and the nouveau docs say that the modules are out of sync and may need to be rebuilt |
| 08:11.45 | wols_ | welcome to testing I guess? |
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| 08:12.00 | joe7 | I am just curious if it will help if I install the modules from unstable |
| 08:12.17 | joe7 | instead of building the modules from source |
| 08:12.26 | joe7 | as recommended by the faq |
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| 08:12.38 | Sebboh | ...Wouldn't I normally expect to see the word 'usb' or 'USB' in dmesg output on a system that has USB controllers? |
| 08:13.14 | joe7 | yes |
| 08:14.32 | haarp | also, ehci, uhci or ohci |
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| 08:21.15 | nevyn | Sebboh: lspci|grep -i hci should do it |
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| 08:21.48 | nevyn | you'll only see stuff in dmesg if something loaded the driver support for [EOU]HCI |
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| 08:23.46 | alyosha | hi i mounted usb flash drive and when i access it i get error |
| 08:24.00 | alyosha | Directory vread(block 30xxx) failed |
| 08:24.06 | alyosha | anyone have any idea? |
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| 08:24.35 | Sebboh | nevyn, thanks. I'll have to check later. (Since USB doesn't work on this fresh install, the only way I can see logs is to boot off a live CD and inspect the filesystem..) Have a good night! |
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| 08:25.51 | nevyn | Seb: a fresh install of debian stable should definitly have working usb |
| 08:26.01 | nevyn | nevermind |
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| 08:26.56 | asarch | Which runlevel do I need to start only in console mode? |
| 08:27.22 | cahoot | !nodm |
| 08:27.22 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 08:27.49 | asarch | D'oh! |
| 08:29.45 | LoneTech | that said, the display manager doesn't start in runlevel 1. |
| 08:29.52 | LoneTech | (like most things) |
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| 08:30.40 | asarch | Thank you |
| 08:30.44 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 08:44.58 | asarch | This is my dmesg with this kernel "Linux phobos 2.6.32-5-xen-686 #1 SMP Wed Mar 9 01:27:54 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux": http://paste.debian.net/117602/ |
| 08:45.10 | asarch | It hangs up when X11 starts |
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| 08:45.55 | asarch | This is the xm dmesg output: http://paste.debian.net/117604/ |
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| 08:46.36 | asarch | These are my cpu flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc arch_perfmon bts aperfmperf pni monitor vmx est tm2 xtpr pdcm |
| 08:46.55 | asarch | What's wrong? |
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| 08:49.03 | asarch | This is the Xorg.0.log.old: http://paste.debian.net/117605/ |
| 08:49.04 | nevyn | asarch: define hangs. can you still access it over the network? |
| 08:49.31 | asarch | The laptop "dies" completely (if I press the Caps Lock, it doesn't work) |
| 08:49.43 | wols_ | asarch: you running a xen client and want X in there? |
| 08:49.57 | asarch | Isn't that the kernel for dom0? |
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| 08:50.46 | asarch | The Xen hypervisor |
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| 08:51.15 | asarch | "To make the Xen hypervisor (and not just a Xen-ready kernel!) boot by default, it should be the first entry, so do swap the order of kernel detection in GRUB: mv -i /etc/grub.d/10_linux /etc/grub.d/50_linux |
| 08:51.30 | asarch | From the Xen wiki at wiki.debian.org |
| 08:51.33 | wols_ | have you tried it without Xen, with a noemal kernel? |
| 08:51.49 | asarch | With a normal kernel it works fine |
| 08:52.14 | asarch | However, I can't: xm list: WARNING! Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs! Error: Unable to connect to xend: No such file or directory. Is xend running? |
| 08:52.30 | wols_ | duh! when you run a normal kernel, there is no Xen |
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| 08:52.51 | asarch | I know |
| 08:53.27 | wols_ | !xen |
| 08:53.27 | dpkg | Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 08:53.33 | wols_ | I'd ask the experts for xen |
| 08:53.48 | asarch | Thank you wols_ |
| 08:53.53 | asarch | I will :-) |
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| 08:58.06 | dutchfish | http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 08:58.27 | asarch | I did it |
| 08:58.33 | asarch | Even the "mv" operation |
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| 08:58.42 | Fonzie- | just installed and formatted a new disk on my system. I want to boot the new drive to /var, but another partition is allready booted there. How should i progress then? |
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| 09:00.05 | wols_ | Fonzie-: you remount the partition that contains /var read only, copy over all files under /var to your new disk and then mount this new disk at the mountpoint /var. you need to add it to fxtab to do that |
| 09:00.27 | Fonzie- | fxtab? :o |
| 09:00.42 | wols_ | *fstab |
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| 09:00.46 | Fonzie- | right |
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| 09:01.28 | Fonzie- | sooo... "cp -r /var/* /dev/sdb1" |
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| 09:01.47 | Fonzie- | then "umount /var" |
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| 09:01.59 | Fonzie- | and "mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /var" |
| 09:02.02 | wols_ | Fonzie-: cp -a |
| 09:02.02 | Fonzie- | ? |
| 09:02.19 | Fonzie- | k |
| 09:02.58 | Fonzie- | or hmm.. |
| 09:03.00 | simonlnu | cp -r /foo/* won't get all of it |
| 09:03.03 | Michalxo | hello all! I am desparate. I need some help to make work my RTL8192CE wireless usb module. I am on debian stable + some unstable things, when needed.. could anyone help? With manufacturer's drivers, wifi works but I get occasional kernel panics... once in a few hours. My bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620516 please help me someone :-( |
| 09:03.06 | wols_ | Fonzie-: after the cp, you need to rm the original /var btw |
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| 09:03.23 | Fonzie- | wols_: wouldnt that be critical for the system? |
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| 09:03.46 | wols_ | it might hickup, yes |
| 09:03.47 | Fonzie- | and copying to /dev/sdb1 wont work.. guess i need to mount it as something els first |
| 09:04.21 | wols_ | Fonzie-: and having it remounted ro first is important. alternatively, use a livecd. less disruption |
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| 09:04.44 | Fonzie- | doing it remotely |
| 09:04.49 | wols_ | e.g. when the mailserver receives a mail while you do your copying it might not be happy when it can't write to /var to store it |
| 09:05.10 | wols_ | if it's a server, it might be a good idea to stop the server processes |
| 09:05.41 | Norman_Bates | wols_, " WARNING! Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs! Error:...." << hypervisor is not running |
| 09:05.59 | Fonzie- | wols_: i see. but what do you mean by remounted ro first? |
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| 09:06.29 | wols_ | Fonzie-: I mean you should remount it read only so nothing can write to /var while you copy and create an inconsistent copy |
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| 09:07.25 | Fonzie- | wols_: well i cant do anything to excisting /var. "umount: /var: device is busy" |
| 09:08.14 | wols_ | I guess runlevel 1 it is then... |
| 09:08.28 | Fonzie- | .. |
| 09:08.33 | wols_ | unless you can make it not busy (e.g. by stopping servers) |
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| 09:09.17 | student | hey can someone help me with an error I'm having using debian kbsd |
| 09:09.30 | student | I'm having issue with grub-pc |
| 09:10.01 | Norman_Bates | Fonzie-, check umount -l ( lazy unmunt ) |
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| 09:10.08 | MrFrood | student: #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:10.30 | wols_ | student: but learn to ask questions first. like to avoid metaquestions |
| 09:10.51 | student | well this is the error |
| 09:10.53 | student | let me pasted it for youi |
| 09:10.55 | student | *you |
| 09:10.58 | wols_ | !enter |
| 09:10.59 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 09:12.00 | student | http://pastebin.ca/2066659 |
| 09:12.03 | student | there it is |
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| 09:14.02 | student | any help? |
| 09:14.21 | jackweb | I have a problem with wlan0 on Debian; it doesn't work - initially wlan0 could be found, now - not |
| 09:14.28 | wols_ | !tell student about enter |
| 09:15.09 | Norman_Bates | student, "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/ad6s5. Check your device.map." |
| 09:15.26 | jackweb | and when wlan0 could be found - it wasn't able to connect to my router :/ |
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| 09:15.54 | student | Norman_Bates, so? |
| 09:16.08 | wols_ | jackweb: check your logs, kernel log mainly |
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| 09:16.20 | jackweb | wols_: ok |
| 09:16.37 | jackweb | wols_: dmesg? |
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| 09:18.00 | jackweb | 'wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags, no such found' when I type ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 09:19.03 | cahoot | another wlan* present? |
| 09:19.08 | Norman_Bates | jackweb, is there a device named "wlan0" - check ifconfig -a |
| 09:19.25 | jackweb | there is only 'lo' and 'eth0' |
| 09:19.48 | jackweb | but previously wlan0 was present; I was able to run 'iwlist wlan0 scan', etc... |
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| 09:20.44 | cahoot | what wifidevice? pciid? |
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| 09:22.02 | cahoot | a sidethought - haven't turned any hardware switch for the device off by chance? |
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| 09:22.21 | Granjow | Good morning :) |
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| 09:23.04 | jackweb | cahoot: should I check it from lspci? |
| 09:23.31 | cahoot | lspci -nn| grep -i net (for pciid) |
| 09:23.40 | Granjow | I'm trying to create a debian package of ffmpeg. Now when doing this it complains that my package would overwrite libavutil.a (I have installed libavutil, libswscale, etc. and cannot remove them yet due to dependencies) |
| 09:24.28 | nevyn | Granjow: why are you doing that? |
| 09:24.39 | jackweb | cahoot: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) |
| 09:24.45 | nevyn | do you not trust marilat? |
| 09:25.10 | Granjow | nevyn: I did «make install» so far, which overwrites the package libraries (and if these are updated, they overwrite my compiled libraries.) |
| 09:25.16 | cahoot | jackweb, the pciid has the form xxxx:xxxx |
| 09:25.26 | jackweb | 168c:002b |
| 09:25.35 | nevyn | Granjow: ah you're not running a debian system |
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| 09:25.48 | cahoot | ,pciid 168c:002b |
| 09:25.50 | judd | [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 09:25.58 | Granjow | nevyn: I am, aptosid, debian-based |
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| 09:26.24 | nevyn | !debian-based |
| 09:26.24 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 09:26.30 | cahoot | jackweb, modprbe ath9k; dmesg|tail 20 |
| 09:26.36 | cahoot | modprobe |
| 09:26.39 | simonlnu | aptosid is not debian |
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| 09:27.26 | Michalxo | hello all! Could anyone help me to make work my RTL8192CE wireless usb module. With manufacturer's drivers, wifi works but I get occasional kernel panics... My bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620516 please help me someone :-( |
| 09:27.50 | Granjow | nevyn: This question is not related to «Debian standards» broken by other distros. |
| 09:27.54 | jackweb | cahoot: I can't see any error |
| 09:27.57 | nevyn | Granjow: but regardless it's not even aptosid if you installed ffmpeg by make install |
| 09:28.01 | jackweb | cahoot: moreover - ifconfig wlan0 up works fine |
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| 09:28.32 | nevyn | !ffmpeg |
| 09:28.32 | dpkg | FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. The Debian ffmpeg package contains a multimedia player (ffplay), server (ffserver) and encoder (ffmpeg). Use "ffmpeg -formats" to list supported transcoding formats for ffmpeg's -target option. http://ffmpeg.org/ #ffmpeg on irc.freenode.net. See also <dmm>. |
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| 09:28.56 | Granjow | nevyn: I need it for development. |
| 09:29.22 | nevyn | Granjow: so install ffmpeg-dev |
| 09:30.24 | Granjow | nevyn: Which, if existed, would only be the header files etc.? |
| 09:30.27 | Granjow | or not? |
| 09:31.49 | rgr | correct |
| 09:31.58 | jackweb | cahoot: thanks very much |
| 09:32.06 | jackweb | when I run ' |
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| 09:32.44 | jackweb | iwconfig wlan0 essid XXXX key s:XXXX, there is a problem with Set Encode (Error for wireless request) Invalid Argument |
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| 09:33.10 | jackweb | what's wrong? :/ |
| 09:33.22 | Granjow | Seems like the packages just require ffmpeg to be split into libavutil, libavcodec, etc. packages. |
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| 09:34.10 | themill | Granjow: it sounds like you need to start working with the packaging system rather than against it. |
| 09:34.19 | nevyn | Granjow: what's the problem with the packages in debian or the packages in debian-multimedia? |
| 09:34.30 | nevyn | or at least working from them as a base? |
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| 09:34.49 | Granjow | themill: I'm trying to figure out how :) |
| 09:35.07 | themill | Granjow: explaining what's wrong with the debian packages would be a good start |
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| 09:35.46 | Granjow | nevyn: They were not always up-to-date afair. We needed newer versions for mlt/kdenlive. |
| 09:36.09 | themill | so that kdenlive can only ever be run on systems with the latest ffmpeg? great. |
| 09:36.32 | themill | wishes multimedia developers would learn about stable APIs |
| 09:36.54 | themill | Granjow: /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 09:37.12 | nevyn | themill: the problem is multimedia has so many moving parts and the free software "patches only accepted against HEAD" works against that. |
| 09:37.28 | Infra|Red | wishes software developers didn't trend towards The Casade of ADD Teenagers modle |
| 09:38.07 | nevyn | Cascade of ADD teenages model? |
| 09:38.17 | themill | nevyn: there are plenty of projects that handle long-term support, release libraries with APIs that are stable for years etc. |
| 09:38.21 | Infra|Red | nevyn: jwz |
| 09:38.29 | nevyn | Infra|Red: ah. |
| 09:38.36 | Infra|Red | although i should stop commenting uinder this nick, it isn't mine o.o |
| 09:38.42 | Infra|Red | bbl with real nick :p |
| 09:39.13 | nevyn | Infra|Red: I assume you ment you were quoting jwz not that you ARE jwz ;) |
| 09:40.25 | jackweb | ok, it works; I had to deleted 's:' from key from iwconfig |
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| 09:41.39 | Infra|Red | nevyn: just so :) |
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| 09:43.29 | phix | so, are we dead yet? |
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| 09:44.31 | Rienzilla | oh yes, that's true |
| 09:44.38 | Rienzilla | today is apocalypse day isnt it? |
| 09:45.18 | Granjow | No, they postponed it, my new graphics card will arrive tomorrow, and I first need to test it. |
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| 10:02.41 | GrecKo | Hi, I want to use aptitude interactive mode, but when I do sudo aptitude , shortcut like - or + don't work, they work without the sudo |
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| 10:04.04 | gnarface | try quoting the command? |
| 10:04.21 | gnarface | or escaping the symbols? |
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| 10:05.35 | GrecKo | quoting the command as in: sudo "aptitude" ? |
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| 10:06.32 | nevyn | does quote prevent alias expansion? |
| 10:07.15 | Granjow | Wow. I now took the debian/ directory from ffmpeg's deb-src and compiled it, and the packages built fine :) *and* installed as well. |
| 10:07.27 | nevyn | right. |
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| 10:07.55 | MrFrood | Granjow: su -c "aptitude install foo" |
| 10:08.12 | MrFrood | oops that was for GrecKo |
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| 10:08.31 | Granjow | MrFrood: nm, I didn't know it either, thanks for the hint :) |
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| 10:10.58 | GrecKo | MrFrood: I want to use the curses interface, not the cli |
| 10:10.59 | MrFrood | Granjow: what happens if you start aptitude interactivly with su -c |
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| 10:11.18 | MrFrood | su -c aptitude |
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| 10:11.40 | GrecKo | still doens't work |
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| 10:12.08 | GrecKo | / works for searching, but not - or + |
| 10:12.35 | MrFrood | GrecKo: what happen when started as normal user and then switch to root in aptitude? |
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| 10:16.21 | GrecKo | MrFrood: it doesn't work anymore when I switch to root :/ |
| 10:16.46 | smhar | I am using a ssh socks proxy that I keep open in a terminal and use that port in firefox for browsing. the problem is that the connection just freezes after sometime and I have to close that terminal and open a new one. what could be the reason? |
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| 10:18.12 | MrFrood | GrecKo: I'm not sure what your issue is but on the rare occasions I use aptitude interactivly I do everything as a normal user only switching to root for the actual install/uninstall |
| 10:18.50 | MrFrood | smhar: network congestion? |
| 10:18.57 | Fonzie-- | is it possable to make so i can "su" between users and still be able to attach and detach screens? |
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| 10:20.01 | smhar | MrFrood, using a internet over gsm connection via the usb device |
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| 10:21.34 | MrFrood | smhar: what about at the server end where your socks proxy is running - is it possible that every now again it just gets overloaded? |
| 10:21.50 | jackweb | when ping prints 'Destination Host Unreachable', it may be caused by router whichs blocks connection? (I am not able to connect with router) |
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| 10:22.02 | jackweb | s/whichs/which/; |
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| 10:23.02 | smhar | MrFrood, not sure about that but I am ssh to it -using a different user- and uploading files and other people are browsing my pages at the same time with no visible problem |
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| 10:24.29 | MrFrood | not the server then - I use SDF and occasionally lag can be an issue when lot's of users make a heavy load :_/ |
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| 10:26.15 | GrecKo | MrFrood: oh, I didn't understand at first what you meant |
| 10:26.29 | GrecKo | so you chose what you want to install/remove |
| 10:26.41 | GrecKo | and then you switch to root ? |
| 10:26.47 | MrFrood | yes |
| 10:27.54 | MrFrood | mostly I just use the command line but when using the TUI that is exactly what I do |
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| 10:28.45 | GrecKo | alright |
| 10:29.00 | GrecKo | nothing is working now :/ |
| 10:29.24 | GrecKo | I thought it worked because it gave me a warning about me being not root |
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| 10:32.44 | GrecKo | say I want to remove installation-guide-kfreebsd-amd64, I just highlight it like that and it -, or Package/Remove in the menu ? |
| 10:33.02 | GrecKo | highlight it like that : http://gyazo.com/3401bd6388bdd6241aa39a7b25ba5725.png * |
| 10:33.20 | MrFrood | GrecKo: try su -c "aptitude reinstall aptitude" |
| 10:35.41 | MrFrood | GrecKo: are you using KBSD? |
| 10:35.48 | GrecKo | still the same deal :( |
| 10:36.20 | GrecKo | MrFrood: is that a distro ? |
| 10:37.16 | MrFrood | GrecKo: "say I want to remove installation-guide-kfreebsd-amd64" |
| 10:37.50 | MrFrood | hence me asking |
| 10:38.11 | GrecKo | I don't think I use it |
| 10:38.20 | GrecKo | but that was for the example |
| 10:38.24 | Dev0n | hey, is it not possible to use xclip without a gui ? |
| 10:38.29 | GrecKo | I'm on devian squeeze |
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| 10:38.35 | Dev0n | I'm getting a Error: Can't open display: (null) |
| 10:38.39 | GrecKo | debian* |
| 10:38.51 | MrFrood | GrecKo: try #devian :P |
| 10:38.57 | GrecKo | :P |
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| 10:41.29 | MrFrood | GrecKo: what does cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} say? |
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| 10:43.22 | MrFrood | also which version of aptitude (aptitude --version) |
| 10:43.27 | GrecKo | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 |
| 10:43.34 | GrecKo | or should I pass all the stuff ? |
| 10:43.46 | GrecKo | paste* |
| 10:43.52 | MrFrood | GrecKo: just the version number |
| 10:44.00 | sagarchalise | Hi everyone, I couldnot get my ethernet to connect to my router, any help ? |
| 10:44.26 | GrecKo | aptitude 0.6.3 |
| 10:44.43 | deepy | sagarchalise: does your router run Debian? |
| 10:45.16 | sagarchalise | deepy: no my pc runs debian |
| 10:45.53 | sagarchalise | deepy: I have set static ip for interface but whenever i ping my router it says destination host unreachable |
| 10:45.55 | MrFrood | so stable with the latest release of aptitude - I've absolutly no idea why it is not working properly - perhaps you should file a bug report |
| 10:46.07 | deepy | sagarchalise: route add default 192.168.0.1 |
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| 10:47.09 | GrecKo | MrFrood: yeah this server was installed yesterday |
| 10:47.19 | cahoot | unless it's 192.168.1.1? |
| 10:47.42 | sagarchalise | deepy: my route ip is 192.168.1.1 and desktop ip is 192.168.1.1 |
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| 10:48.18 | cahoot | no wonder it's confused then |
| 10:48.28 | sagarchalise | deepy: sorry router is 1 and desktop is 2 |
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| 10:49.04 | Dev0n | is there anything like xclip that works in debian without gui ? |
| 10:49.15 | Dev0n | I'm trying to copy all text inside a file to my clipboard |
| 10:49.22 | Dev0n | through putty |
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| 10:49.46 | MrFrood | Dev0n: you want to copy and paste in the cli? |
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| 10:50.10 | Dev0n | copy from the cli to my pc |
| 10:50.19 | GrecKo | MrFrood: :S |
| 10:50.31 | MrFrood | Dev0n: highlighting with the mouse normally just works |
| 10:50.39 | GrecKo | it just didn't work with the New Packages |
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| 10:51.00 | GrecKo | it's ok when i do it with something in Installed Packages |
| 10:51.04 | Dev0n | MrFrood, what if the files is a fee 100 lines long ? |
| 10:51.14 | Dev0n | few* |
| 10:51.22 | GrecKo | sorry for that :) |
| 10:51.23 | MrFrood | I use pacellite to keep the variouse cut buffers syncronised |
| 10:51.56 | Nirkus | hi! is there some designated way to bring up a bridge w/o any slave interfaces using /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:52.24 | MrFrood | Dev0n: if you are copy & pasteing just within the cli bot screen and (I think) dvtm have built-in cut buffers |
| 10:53.33 | Dev0n | MrFrood, there is no gui on this debian install |
| 10:53.59 | MrFrood | Dev0n: so use gnu screen and it's built in cut buffer |
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| 10:54.41 | Dev0n | so there isn't something simple like, cat > some.sonf | copytoclip :( ? |
| 10:56.25 | MrFrood | Dev0n: probably but the big question is which buffer to use - using screen and it's cut buffer will probably give you more flexibility in the long run |
| 10:57.01 | Dev0n | kk |
| 10:57.02 | Dev0n | thx |
| 10:57.14 | MrFrood | not to mention oodle of info on the webby thing about how to use it |
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| 11:28.23 | joe6 | need help with dual monitor setup: my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/NrYuwNGk , xinerama enabled: http://sprunge.us/DLSD |
| 11:28.39 | joe6 | I can see both monitors have their own different resolutions |
| 11:28.46 | joe6 | but, they mirror each other |
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| 11:29.02 | joe6 | I am trying to get them *not* to mirror each other |
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| 11:29.16 | joe6 | the gnome-panel and the taskbar appear on one monitor only. |
| 11:29.38 | joe6 | but the terminal window or any other app that I open is getting mirrored on both monitors |
| 11:30.22 | joe6 | my xrandr -q output http://sprunge.us/YdaH |
| 11:30.37 | joe6 | i believe it has something to do with the "screen 0" setting. |
| 11:30.41 | joe6 | any thoughts, please? |
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| 11:33.50 | jackweb | Hello! 'Destination Host Unreachable' while pinging to 192.168.0.1; I set up wlan0 [ifconfig wlan0 up], run restarted /etc/init.d/networking restart with configuration saved in /etc/network/interfaces and can't ping to 192.168.0.1 |
| 11:34.07 | jackweb | what could be wrong? |
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| 11:34.31 | cahoot | routing? |
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| 11:35.25 | jackweb | cahoot: so what to do? |
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| 11:38.10 | treebeen | jackweb: output of 'ip a' and 'ip route' ? |
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| 11:41.17 | jackweb | http://pastebin.com/Pe9L73NN -- output of ip route |
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| 11:43.39 | jackweb | http://pastebin.com/88jqWT3a -- output of ip a |
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| 11:44.58 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... brightside does it but where are the settings? |
| 11:45.35 | treebeen | jackweb: state DOWN ? |
| 11:45.59 | jackweb | treebeen: so what to do in order to make 'state UP'? |
| 11:46.27 | jackweb | `ifconfig wlan0 up` is done |
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| 11:47.10 | treebeen | jackweb: is it encrypted wlan? |
| 11:47.56 | EmleyMoor | is doing a purge-and-reinstall |
| 11:48.50 | jackweb | http://192.168.0.1/ says: Security: WPA-PSK / WPA2-PSK |
| 11:48.56 | wols_ | jackweb: what encryption does your wlan ap use? |
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| 11:49.28 | wols_ | jackweb: and wpasupplicant is installed? |
| 11:49.34 | treebeen | jackweb: does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' give something? |
| 11:49.40 | jackweb | treebeen: yes |
| 11:49.55 | jackweb | wols_: no |
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| 11:50.21 | wols_ | jackweb: it must be installed for debian to support wpa or wpa2 |
| 11:50.34 | jackweb | wols_: ok, I'll install it |
| 11:50.55 | treebeen | jackweb: so you entered the wpa-psk and wpa-ssid in interfaces? also what wols_ says |
| 11:51.04 | wolfpython | whey doesn't the PyQt4 and Pygame for python3 go into Debian? anyone knows? |
| 11:51.11 | wols_ | treebeen: if he hasn't even installed it, of course not |
| 11:51.22 | wols_ | !tell wolfpython about wir |
| 11:51.33 | treebeen | wols_: well, you never know... |
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| 11:52.14 | jackweb | treebeen: I entered ESSID and key |
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| 11:53.36 | treebeen | jackweb: how? |
| 11:54.43 | jackweb | wireless-essid ******; wireless-key ******** |
| 11:54.45 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... no sign of brightside's settings |
| 11:55.07 | jackweb | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:55.33 | jackweb | of course there is auto wlan0, iface wlan0 inet static etc... |
| 11:55.51 | jackweb | and address, netmask, gateway and broadcast |
| 11:56.28 | v_v | s |
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| 11:56.47 | v_v | oops |
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| 11:57.27 | bencc | what's the best practice when changing config files? saving the original with filename.bak? |
| 11:57.36 | Big_Brother | how do i change sessions in debian 6? |
| 11:57.47 | Big_Brother | i wanna go from gnome to e16. |
| 11:58.03 | jackweb | treebeen: wpasupplicant is already installed on my netbook |
| 11:58.11 | wols_ | Big_Brother: switch in your display manager. or update window-manager in alternatives |
| 11:58.15 | treebeen | jackweb: if it's wpa, you need to do: wpa-ssid and wpa-psk |
| 11:58.38 | Big_Brother | wols_: after i log in?> |
| 11:58.51 | wols_ | Big_Brother: while you log in |
| 11:58.59 | treebeen | jackweb: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 11:59.00 | Big_Brother | oh |
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| 11:59.29 | wols_ | Big_Brother: but not all display managers support that. hence you can use ~/.xinitrc or update window-manager in alternatives, etc |
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| 12:01.42 | jackweb | treebeen: wow, it works; thank you! :) |
| 12:02.11 | treebeen | bencc: not sure if there's a best practice, .bak is certainly not wrong - i often use 'mv this.that{,.bak} |
| 12:02.31 | treebeen | or cp... for a copy |
| 12:02.35 | bencc | treebeen: thanks. someone recommended http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/ |
| 12:03.05 | treebeen | jackweb: np |
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| 12:03.14 | wols_ | bencc: some use puppet, some use a source control repository, etc |
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| 12:04.07 | bencc | wols_: puppet saves versions of config files and let you see changes and roll back if needed? |
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| 12:08.38 | wols_ | bencc: puppet is a way to manage config files by centralising the configuration |
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| 12:08.46 | wols_ | ie. config files themselves don't matter anymore |
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| 12:12.03 | Rajko | can i run 2.6.38 kernel in squeeze ? |
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| 12:14.58 | oldirty | I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you may have a fundamental misunderstanding about the kernel's role, Rajko. |
| 12:15.18 | oldirty | hmm... I seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about the use of punctuation. |
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| 12:15.28 | Rajko | i mean sure i can compile a normal kernel.org one and run it |
| 12:15.36 | Rajko | but is there one in some debian package somewhere |
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| 12:15.46 | oldirty | You could build one :) |
| 12:15.53 | Big_Brother | ack |
| 12:16.00 | treebeen | ,versions kernel |
| 12:16.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
| 12:16.07 | Rajko | its linux-imag |
| 12:16.12 | Rajko | e |
| 12:16.22 | wols_ | !kernels |
| 12:16.22 | ignotus_ | does Debian have some cloud build system like openSUSE Build System? |
| 12:16.24 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110520, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.39-git5, mainline 2.6: 2.6.39 , stable 2.6: 2.6.39 , stable 2.6.38: 2.6.38.7 , stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.6 , stable 2.6.36: 2.6.36.4 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.9 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.9 , longterm 2.6.33: 2.6.33.13 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.40 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.28 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.59 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.57 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.11 |
| 12:16.26 | Big_Brother | iceweasel is stuck with its titlebar above what i can use and i can't move it. |
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| 12:16.43 | wols_ | ignotus_: debian has a build farm but it's not open to the public |
| 12:17.06 | Rajko | .39 is stable already ? |
| 12:17.08 | wols_ | Rajko: get a .38 kernel from backports.org /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:17.17 | wols_ | .39 is stable since friday or so |
| 12:17.39 | Big_Brother | rather, i should say that iceweasel isn't being detected by any of the window selection applets for some odd reason. |
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| 12:17.51 | treebeen | ,kernels |
| 12:17.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-1-686-pae (2.6.39-1); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 12:18.00 | oldirty | Big_Brother: are you using compiz? |
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| 12:18.27 | oldirty | Big_Brother: never mind, not important. What window manager are you using? :D |
| 12:18.27 | Big_Brother | oldirty: it's a netbook. no. :) |
| 12:18.40 | Big_Brother | oldirty: whatever gnome gives me. |
| 12:18.55 | ignotus_ | wols_: :( |
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| 12:19.15 | oldirty | Big_Brother: should be metacity, if I remember correctly. try 'killall metacity; metacity --replace &' |
| 12:19.37 | oldirty | could be entirely wrong, I'm an elitist XFCE nerd |
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| 12:21.55 | Big_Brother | oldirty: it looks like iceweasel isn't the only one showing up on the applets. terminal doesn't show up either and i can't alt-tab to it. |
| 12:23.04 | Big_Brother | i can't make a screenshot either... :( |
| 12:23.28 | oldirty | Big_Brother: my line of thinking is that your window manager is locked up for some reason, which would (theoretically) explain your applets being unresponsive as well. |
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| 12:23.43 | ompaul | Big_Brother: what DE are you using? |
| 12:23.50 | isidore | hi here :) |
| 12:23.51 | Big_Brother | DE? |
| 12:23.56 | ompaul | Desktop environment |
| 12:23.57 | oldirty | Big_Brother: Desktop Environment |
| 12:24.02 | Big_Brother | GNOME |
| 12:24.05 | oldirty | gnome, by the way :D |
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| 12:24.34 | ompaul | Big_Brother: just click on the key marked "Prnt Scrn" and you should be able to do screen shots. |
| 12:24.49 | oldirty | Big_Brother: you could try ctrl+alt+backspace if X11 zaps aren't disabled |
| 12:24.52 | Big_Brother | ompaul, nope. |
| 12:24.57 | oldirty | should restart X |
| 12:25.18 | isidore | i would like to reconfigure grub, i tryed with grub-install --no-floppy --recheck /dev/sdb but the entry for windows7 doesn't update |
| 12:25.19 | ompaul | Big_Brother: how did you get it into this state - that is a function that should work - if you have gimp installed it will do screen grabs |
| 12:25.28 | Big_Brother | sweet, backup console works. |
| 12:25.56 | Big_Brother | ompaul, i think it was when i was installing e16 and then removed it. |
| 12:26.32 | ompaul | Big_Brother: removed which? sorry not it is not obvious to me |
| 12:26.51 | isidore | i think there is a tool to search available os for grub entry but don't remember witch one :/ |
| 12:27.01 | Big_Brother | e16, i was testing e16 to see if would be better for this horrid little screen. |
| 12:27.26 | oldirty | isidore: os-prober? |
| 12:27.48 | jackweb | I have a problem with aptitude update - it shows me the following error: 'Encountered a section with no Package: header' [Debian wheezy], I looked for some information of that problem and I found that I will have to `rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf` but it didn't solve my problem |
| 12:28.03 | isidore | exactly oldirty :) |
| 12:28.06 | jackweb | what to do? |
| 12:28.14 | isidore | os-prober automaticaly update grub also ? |
| 12:28.21 | isidore | or i need to run it with argument |
| 12:28.22 | wols_ | !tell jackweb about bat |
| 12:28.48 | wols_ | isidore: update-grub |
| 12:29.02 | oldirty | isidore: os-prober is just the tool that update-grub uses to enumerate your OS's |
| 12:29.50 | isidore | cool |
| 12:30.36 | isidore | i used grub-install withotu success :) |
| 12:30.37 | isidore | thanks all |
| 12:30.47 | isidore | without*** |
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| 12:32.20 | ompaul | Big_Brother: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 12:35.09 | jackweb | wols_: http://pastebin.com/tz2UiwfP |
| 12:35.43 | wols_ | jackweb: I don't do pastebins which needs cookies and captchas |
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| 12:36.08 | jackweb | wols_: sorry |
| 12:36.58 | jackweb | http://jackweb.ovh.org/err |
| 12:37.00 | oldirty | have you tried a different mirror? |
| 12:37.25 | jackweb | oldirty: was it for me? (about that mirror) |
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| 12:40.03 | wols_ | what oldirty said |
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| 12:52.02 | phix | hi, I installed debian onto a USB flash drive, but when I boot from it it can't find the LVM root at all :( I Have two partitions, /boot and LVM which contains /, /var, /srv and SWAP |
| 12:52.21 | phix | If I use clonezilla and clone the image to a normal sata disc it boots fine |
| 12:52.40 | phix | cat /proc/modules is telling me it is loading the correct USB and usb-storage modules |
| 12:52.48 | phix | what can I do to get it to work? |
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| 12:58.02 | phix | any ideas? |
| 12:58.19 | jackweb | oldirty: I changed mirrors and it helped; thanks! |
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| 12:58.47 | qwertyuiop | ciao |
| 12:58.52 | qwertyuiop | !list |
| 12:58.52 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 12:59.10 | qwertyuiop | vaffanculo |
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| 13:12.21 | ChrisH | I need a tip on troubleshooting a X error on a HP Probook 6460b with Sandy Bridge and Debian testing installed. |
| 13:12.57 | ChrisH | Single user mode is fine, but upon starting X it hangs. strace into local FS fails as it crashes before the data gets synced. |
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| 13:13.48 | frel00n | hi all on stable after install i've got after installation a "kernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" any help please ? |
| 13:13.59 | joe6 | i recently took my hard disks with debian on them from an i386 to a i686 machine. the dpkg --print-architecture still says i386. How can I update it to i686? |
| 13:14.00 | frel00n | i checked grub-pc params...etc nothing |
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| 13:15.06 | Orphis | What would you recommend to install IPsec on a Debian server ? |
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| 13:15.10 | ChrisH | frel00n: sounds like grub settings are incorrect. |
| 13:15.17 | joe6 | ChrisH, try agp=off |
| 13:15.40 | ChrisH | joe6: I assume as grub/kernel option!? |
| 13:15.41 | joe6 | ChrisH, had the same issue, pita. on the command line, put agp=off |
| 13:15.52 | joe6 | yes, on the grub linux line |
| 13:16.13 | frel00n | ChrisH: i cehcked them and seems ok imho |
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| 13:16.25 | frel00n | ChrisH: maybe i didn't choose a bigmem kernel ? |
| 13:16.39 | frel00n | i've got a quite new config with 8GB of RAM |
| 13:16.39 | ChrisH | joe6: OK, rebooting once more now.... with agp=off |
| 13:16.46 | joe6 | good luck. |
| 13:16.59 | wols_ | frel00n: no that's not it. what harddisk controller do you use? |
| 13:17.26 | joe6 | nautilus has this error: http://sprunge.us/Nafc , should I be worried about the "Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0"" error message? |
| 13:17.38 | joe6 | could that be causing a broken nautilus |
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| 13:21.41 | frel00n | wols my PC http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00110771.html |
| 13:22.35 | oldirty | jackweb Sure thing, sorry I missed your reply I'm at work :D |
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| 13:22.52 | frel00n | wols_: Intel® P67(B3) Express Chipset it seems |
| 13:23.29 | wols_ | frel00n: what are you trying to install? squeeze? if so you will need a newer kernel |
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| 13:23.58 | ChrisH | agp=off did not change anything |
| 13:24.07 | cookiemon5ter | doesn't debian come with some sort of network management tool |
| 13:24.11 | frel00n | wols_: yes what the best option for me so ? install squeeze and go to testing/sid ? or boot on some other option ? |
| 13:24.16 | frel00n | please |
| 13:24.43 | wols_ | frel00n: if you can access the system (from the install cd or a live cd) get the 2.6.38 backports kernel /msg dpkg backports and use that |
| 13:24.49 | wols_ | it sghould have support for p67 |
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| 13:25.01 | frel00n | wols_: ok thanks a lot |
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| 13:25.25 | uuser123 | Invalid command 'ProxyRequests', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration ---fail why i should get this error on start/restart apache2 |
| 13:25.27 | wols_ | cookiemon5ter: it comes with several |
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| 13:26.22 | cookiemon5ter | i have gnome installed and i would expect network manager applet or something similiar |
| 13:26.25 | joe6 | any suggestions on how I can fix this: [ 263.352996] nautilus[3312]: segfault at 5 ip b69e6854 sp bff0e148 error 6 in libc-2.13.so[b6953000+153000] |
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| 13:27.39 | babilen | cookiemon5ter: network-manager-gnome is recommended by the gnome metapackage |
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| 13:29.39 | dawud | uuser123: mod_proxy not included? |
| 13:30.26 | uuser123 | i guess i have added that ,still can u pls tell me how do i make sure it is inclued |
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| 13:31.43 | dawud | uuser123: a2enmod proxy |
| 13:32.32 | dawud | uuser123: or list /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 13:32.40 | nslutje | Anyone knows somelot about CUPS user management |
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| 13:34.29 | wols_ | nslutje: ask your real question |
| 13:34.33 | uuser123 | yes its there |
| 13:34.40 | uuser123 | i mean it is installed |
| 13:34.58 | joe6 | cannot seem to find libc-2.13.so throught "apt-file search". Anyone knows which package might have it? |
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| 13:35.22 | dawud | uuser123: apache2ctl configtest |
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| 13:36.03 | karika200 | hi |
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| 13:36.19 | uuser123 | pls wait i think there is some typo i will brb |
| 13:36.31 | dawud | uuser123: it's not the same being installed (apt did that), enabled (a2enmod) and configured (by-hand) |
| 13:36.37 | nslutje | Cups webinterface keeps asking for credentials when i want to print a test page. I can install/remove printers, but I cannot print |
| 13:37.18 | dawud | nslutje: try root user/passwd and/or connect to https://localhost:631 |
| 13:37.34 | karika200 | I'm running pptpd for VPN. The VPN clients are in the same network (192.168.0.0) as the LAN clients, but I want to use 10.0.0.0 network for VPN |
| 13:37.48 | karika200 | when I set 10.0.0.0 IP range in PPTPD the clients can't route to my lan |
| 13:37.54 | karika200 | what's wrong? |
| 13:38.03 | karika200 | The proxyarp is enabled |
| 13:38.15 | karika200 | and I also tried it with bcrelay |
| 13:38.28 | nslutje | dawud root is disabeld, I enabled it and tried it, but still nothing |
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| 13:38.34 | uuser123 | now i am getting error with apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
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| 13:39.20 | uuser123 | i am trying to configure virtual host |
| 13:39.23 | nslutje | dawud: https does not work either |
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| 13:39.39 | uuser123 | reverse proxy |
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| 13:40.44 | LMDE | hello .. i know u r most prolly sick and tired of this issue but i need help |
| 13:40.46 | LMDE | hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj. |
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| 13:41.41 | dawud | nslutje: I guess you need to read cupsd.conf manpage and check your config |
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| 13:43.23 | uuser123 | dawud: i am trying to use port 8000 in virtual host |
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| 13:43.43 | cookiemon5ter | how do you make apt-get look somewhere else instead of /media/cdrom for cd1 |
| 13:44.12 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 13:44.51 | frel00n_ | wols_: maybe i can connect my hard drive to another controller ? i see my MoBo has a Marvell contoller ? |
| 13:45.01 | DammitJim | cookiemon5ter, try setting up something in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:45.02 | frel00n_ | and try to install it with better results... |
| 13:45.04 | frel00n_ | :( |
| 13:45.47 | dawud | uuser123: ok ... |
| 13:46.09 | joe6 | ChrisH: how did that go? |
| 13:46.45 | wols_ | frel00n_: you can. you will probably need to reinstall grub then and change the grub config as well. that means you will need to rescue boot again. if you go through this trouble it's easier to install the backport kernel. but it's your choice |
| 13:47.09 | ChrisH | joe6: gone into unstable and now I am logged on via KDE4 :) Hurra! |
| 13:47.36 | joe6 | ChrisH: cool. |
| 13:47.39 | wols_ | ,versions kde-standard |
| 13:47.40 | judd | Package kde-standard on i386 -- sid: 5:66; squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:66; experimental: 5:67 |
| 13:47.49 | LMDE | hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj. <--- any tips and tricks ? |
| 13:47.55 | wols_ | ChrisH: why would you need sid for kde4? |
| 13:47.56 | frel00n_ | wols_: ok thanks i'll go though backport kernel ;) |
| 13:48.48 | karika200 | I have problem with pptpd for vpn, can somebody help me with it? |
| 13:48.50 | karika200 | Here's the description: http://pastebin.com/UqQD7UVz |
| 13:49.09 | ChrisH | wols_: My Probook crashed with testing upon starting X... this KDE login just refers to X is working and even KDE seems to be stable upon X |
| 13:49.18 | cookiemon5ter | DammitJim: what would you put ? i tried replacing cdrom: with usb: but no luck |
| 13:50.24 | wols_ | ah, so you needed a different kernel and possibly X drivers |
| 13:51.54 | ChrisH | My Probook 6460b has pretty new HW like Sandy Bridge, i5-2520 CPU and it looked like testing was not current enough. |
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| 13:52.36 | uuser123 | dawud: i am using nginx for reverse proxy and apache2 when i stop nginx then i am able to start successfully apache ,i was told to use nginx for reverse proxy |
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| 13:53.38 | jackweb | huh... I installed GNOME on my netbook and no keyboard, nor touchpad works; how to run Debian without X? |
| 13:54.20 | karika200 | press alt+ctrl+f1 |
| 13:54.37 | jackweb | keyboard doesn't work :) |
| 13:54.51 | ChrisH | suspend-resume: seems to work, too. |
| 13:54.53 | karika200 | then it isn't X problem |
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| 13:55.15 | jackweb | karika200: without X Window System on, the keyboard worked fine |
| 13:55.39 | ChrisH | jackweb: disable all X or boot into single user mode, as I did the past 30 times :) in grub add the word single to the kernel line |
| 13:56.02 | jackweb | ok |
| 13:56.37 | ChrisH | single means single user mode... only one console will workd |
| 13:57.24 | wols_ | jackweb: did you install from the testing image? |
| 13:57.30 | jackweb | wols_: yes |
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| 13:58.00 | wols_ | jackweb: that's probably the problem. install stable and upgrade |
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| 13:58.25 | wols_ | or make your debian load the usb drivers manually |
| 13:58.42 | dawud | uuser123: are you binding both nginx and apache2 to the same ip:port(s)? |
| 13:58.51 | dawud | uuser123: because that is wrong |
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| 13:59.31 | uuser123 | ic then what i should do |
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| 13:59.52 | jackweb | I wouldn't like to install Debian once again :). Is there another way to solve the problem? |
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| 14:00.08 | nkuttler | uuser123: run apache on a different port and nginx on 80 |
| 14:00.12 | uuser123 | infact i am trying to use waf (web application firewall) |
| 14:00.16 | nkuttler | assuming nginx should be the frontend |
| 14:00.42 | jackweb | let me see... USB drivers manually - why? touchpad and keyboard aren't in USB |
| 14:01.09 | stenno | good day, i have a little problem with .bashrc ... in there, there is a line: alias gem='gem1.8'; now when i type 'gem' as a normal user, the program runs as expected, when i use 'sudo gem', it says 'command not found'. i am running debian squeeze. |
| 14:01.23 | stenno | it works fine when i do 'sudo gem1.8' |
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| 14:01.43 | jackweb | stenno: add alias in .bashrc in root's directory? |
| 14:01.57 | Coltragon | How can i make it so that the GUI won't start at boot? |
| 14:02.06 | nkuttler | !tell Coltragon about nodm |
| 14:02.31 | Coltragon | nodm k ill google that |
| 14:02.44 | nkuttler | Coltragon: the bot just sent you a msg |
| 14:02.46 | Coltragon | oh wait i got a message |
| 14:02.47 | Coltragon | hehe |
| 14:02.48 | Coltragon | :P |
| 14:03.11 | thewanderer1 | jackweb: I'm not sure the shell sources the destination's .bashrc... in fact, there should not be a shell involved... |
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| 14:03.49 | rickbol | !tell rickbol about nodm |
| 14:04.13 | stenno | jackweb, thanks! i will try that out, i didn't know you will get root when typing 'sudo', i thought you would stay the same user and only are privileged... |
| 14:04.24 | stenno | has some stuff to learn about linux :P |
| 14:04.34 | MrFrood | !tell rickbol about selftell |
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| 14:04.40 | rickbol | thx |
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| 14:04.50 | thewanderer1 | stenno: sudo performs seteuid() to root, but I believe the .bashrc solution will not work |
| 14:04.58 | stenno | hrm |
| 14:04.59 | thewanderer1 | as it calls execve(), not bash |
| 14:05.14 | thewanderer1 | just make a symlink |
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| 14:05.34 | stenno | ok, i'll try that instead, thanks! |
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| 14:07.17 | rickbol | blushing, sends apologies <DOH!> |
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| 14:08.18 | stenno | thewanderer1, creating a symlink has solved the problem, thanks again |
| 14:10.00 | royvegard | I need mediatomb to play content from USB-drive, but the mediatomb user does not have permission to read the mounted USB-drive. How can I set the permissions to be used for automounted removable USB-drives? |
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| 14:12.52 | thewanderer1 | royvegard: I once did a similar configuration, used an udev EXEC= script which mounted a given partition after plugging in with appropriate options. you have to turn off auto-mounting for this to work, too... |
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| 14:14.34 | wols_ | royvegard: it normally depends on your automounter, which one you use |
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| 14:15.06 | royvegard | wols_: I don't know. |
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| 14:15.49 | royvegard | wols_: Which could I be using? |
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| 14:24.47 | cosmos2 | Hello |
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| 14:25.20 | cosmos2 | Is there a terminal command to check the battery status in debian squeeze ppc? |
| 14:26.10 | cosmos2 | I assume there is no acpi for ppc |
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| 14:30.02 | gaelfx | does a vanilla debian install have a desktop manager, or is that something you have to do yourself? |
| 14:30.25 | robokop | gaelfx: depends on your choices in the installer |
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| 14:31.41 | gaelfx | robokop: ok, what choices for a DM would I have? |
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| 14:32.18 | babilen | gaelfx: Gnome, KDE, XFCE and LXDE |
| 14:32.47 | gaelfx | what version of Gnome is available in Squeeze? |
| 14:33.15 | robokop | ,versions gnome |
| 14:33.15 | babilen | gaelfx: 2.30/2.32 (mostly 2.30) |
| 14:33.16 | MrFrood | cosmos2: try #debianppc |
| 14:33.17 | judd | Package gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:2.30+10; wheezy: 1:2.30+10 |
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| 14:33.28 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.58 | wols_ | mintux: cd / && grep -r bash * |
| 14:34.07 | MrFrood | mintux: man locate |
| 14:34.10 | robokop | mintux: grep -rin bash . |
| 14:34.18 | babilen | mintux: grep -re "bash" /path/where/to/start/looking (that will recursively grep, leave out the -r if you don't want that and shell globbing for the list of files) |
| 14:34.23 | mintux | thanks |
| 14:34.27 | streuner_ | cosmos2: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/30722-apm-acpi-powerpc-laptop.html |
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| 14:34.41 | streuner_ | cosmos2: google helps ;-) |
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| 14:35.31 | brabo | hi, i'm using debian wheezy, and i just installed openoffice.org... but it doesnt install any of openoffice's components but libreoffice components instead.. why is this? |
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| 14:36.11 | MrFrood | slaps streuner_ - other search engines are available :P |
| 14:36.32 | babilen | brabo: Because Debian switched to libreoffice. Note that you want the #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net as a wheezy/sid user. |
| 14:36.33 | streuner_ | dpkg, libreoffice |
| 14:36.33 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is currently packaged in <testing>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. |
| 14:37.10 | brabo | aha |
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| 14:39.05 | brabo | is there a webpage with more info as to why they switched? |
| 14:39.50 | cahoot | oracle changed foot |
| 14:40.15 | babilen | brabo: It is essentially that upstream switched ... There are plenty of discussion about that. Just search for it. You might restrict your search to lists.debian.org in order to find discussions among the Debian Maintainers |
| 14:40.17 | cosmos2 | streuner: cat /dev/pmu shows me a "@V" |
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| 14:42.11 | brabo | thanks babilen |
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| 14:45.45 | dobby156 | hey I need to have a super light debian install, squeeze is far to heavy for my needs, will installing woody with 2.4kernal be a better choice? |
| 14:46.38 | cahoot | dobby156, just install what you need of squeeze |
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| 14:46.48 | ompaul | dobby156: if you don't want support go that route ;-) |
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| 14:47.09 | ompaul | dobby156: you don't have to install the desktop just do the base and get on with it |
| 14:47.20 | Michalxo | hello! please, from where does debian takes user's firmwares? |
| 14:47.20 | cosmos2 | apm: No APM support in kernel |
| 14:47.20 | v_v | dobby156: busybox is super light |
| 14:47.39 | Michalxo | is it from /usr/lib/firmware/ or /lib/formware/? |
| 14:48.04 | dobby156 | thanks guys, i have installed it without the GUI it still has like a crap ton of deamons running |
| 14:48.15 | dobby156 | and is grossly unressponsive |
| 14:48.22 | dobby156 | I need to use it as a ssh server |
| 14:48.27 | cahoot | so uninstall them? |
| 14:48.36 | dobby156 | but is VM'ed so isn't all that fast |
| 14:48.41 | ompaul | Michalxo: /lib/firmware |
| 14:48.41 | babilen | Michalxo: Neither, it is /lib/firmware/ -- but you typically just install the firmware package(s) and don't have to handle that manually |
| 14:48.51 | dobby156 | cahoot: I don't know which are safe to do so |
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| 14:49.06 | cahoot | the ones you call crap? |
| 14:49.09 | Michalxo | so it does not work/... thanks guys :-( |
| 14:49.36 | ompaul | dobby156: well give it access to the hardware your machine needs more power from what you say |
| 14:49.57 | babilen | Michalxo: Just curious, but what doesn't work? |
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| 14:50.18 | Michalxo | my wireless driver... http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_11b/g/n_Wireless_LAN_Mini-PCI_Express_Adapter_III |
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| 14:50.47 | dobby156 | ompaul: here is what I did, I installed DSL which I believe is a basterized version of debain woody, it has like 12 proccesses running, that is all I want |
| 14:50.47 | Michalxo | here http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Edge_13%22 -> distribution model 0217 :( too exotic for linux it seems |
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| 14:51.02 | ompaul | dobby156: and an insecure version of ssh |
| 14:51.11 | dobby156 | ompaul: yes hence why i arent using it |
| 14:51.12 | babilen | Michalxo: And you've installed firmware-realtek? |
| 14:51.27 | dobby156 | ompaul: that and the UI is to hard to effectively remove |
| 14:51.31 | Michalxo | babilen: official manufacturers drivers (compilled by me) works ok.. until they give me random kernel panic :( |
| 14:51.35 | ompaul | dobby156: when you installed squeeze did you turn off lots of services? |
| 14:51.42 | babilen | Michalxo: Ah, it is that wonderful piece of hardware for which you have to download the firmware from upstream. |
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| 14:52.04 | Michalxo | babilen: yes :-( |
| 14:52.09 | dobby156 | ompaul: yes i think so |
| 14:52.14 | babilen | !tell Michalxo about rtl8192ce |
| 14:52.19 | dobby156 | ompaul: or at least I don't specify any |
| 14:52.49 | dobby156 | unless it is only avaible in expert install |
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| 14:53.05 | babilen | Michalxo: I would try with a newer (i.e. .38) kernel from backports -- /msg dpkg bdo -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
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| 14:53.22 | ompaul | dobby156: the UI does not have to be installed you can be left with a terminal |
| 14:53.32 | ompaul | dobby156: I suggest you did the install wrong |
| 14:53.40 | dobby156 | ompaul: yes that is where I am at, just bash |
| 14:53.53 | dobby156 | ompaul: but it is still heavy there is a lot running |
| 14:53.54 | ompaul | dobby156: install sysv-rc-conf |
| 14:54.01 | Michalxo | babilen: 38-1 here |
| 14:54.17 | ompaul | dobby156: use it to turn off stuff AFTER you work out what that service is |
| 14:54.44 | dobby156 | ok |
| 14:55.21 | babilen | Michalxo: How did you install that kernel? |
| 14:55.35 | Michalxo | apt |
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| 14:56.00 | Michalxo | from experimental or unstable.. Idont remember, I have it for a long time now |
| 14:56.04 | alexb_1 | hi all, I've added "java_home=blabla export java_home" to /etc/profile, but it's not loaded after restart. why could it be? thanks. |
| 14:56.44 | babilen | Michalxo: Which version of Debian do you track? |
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| 14:57.30 | v_v | alexb_1: what's your $java_home now ? |
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| 14:57.38 | tigreton | hi |
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| 14:57.43 | jokoon | hello |
| 14:57.56 | cosmos2 | streuner: ok I get it: "cat /proc/pmu/battery_0" |
| 14:58.01 | cosmos2 | thanks ;) |
| 14:58.08 | jokoon | I want to make a bitmap font for debian or ubuntu, what is the format I should use ? |
| 14:58.37 | jokoon | I want to do a minimal font, not proportionnal |
| 14:58.45 | jokoon | like profont but not monospace |
| 14:59.03 | alexb_1 | v_v, that's the problem , it' not loaded after restart . if I do "source /etc/profile" I get it right |
| 15:00.28 | babilen | jokoon: I would personally prefer either a bitmap or OTF font. Fontforge is commonly used and you might want to use that program. |
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| 15:00.47 | tigreton | i have a server at 1and1 and i can access to the ssh with the System Access Emergency. When i'm there i can't ping anything, google, ips etc, it says the host is unrecheable. And I can't access ssh like always, connection timed out |
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| 15:02.50 | alexb_1 | tigreton, is it a new server you are trying to set up? |
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| 15:07.58 | gaelfx | I realize it's kind of late now, but thanks to the folks who answered my questions, assuming you're still here to hear it |
| 15:08.13 | Michalxo | babilen: my whole system has frozen :-( |
| 15:08.53 | Michalxo | after renaming and modprobing drivers... |
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| 15:11.46 | LiohAu | how can i update a specific package? or at least know if there is a new version ? |
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| 15:13.28 | pipeline | LiohAu: apt-cache show packagename to list available versions |
| 15:13.39 | pipeline | LiohAu: apt-get install packagename to upgrade a single package |
| 15:14.16 | thewanderer1 | pipeline, LiohAu: apt-cache policy packagename # should provide a more readable version check... |
| 15:14.18 | MrFrood | pipeline: install or reinstall ? |
| 15:14.25 | tigreton | alexb_1 sorry |
| 15:14.29 | tigreton | are you still here? |
| 15:14.45 | alexb_1 | tigreton, yeah |
| 15:14.59 | thewanderer1 | MrFrood: there is no reinstall I believe... --reinstall is a flag to install action, but it's not needed when upgrading |
| 15:15.00 | pipeline | MrFrood: just install |
| 15:15.15 | tigreton | yes, is new |
| 15:15.16 | pipeline | thewanderer1: huh that is hella beter output |
| 15:15.23 | tigreton | i was installing gnome |
| 15:15.24 | pipeline | thewanderer1: I'd just plodded along all this time not knowing |
| 15:15.45 | MrFrood | thewanderer1: I normally use aptitude |
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| 15:15.53 | LiohAu | isn't aptitude more recommended ? |
| 15:15.57 | LiohAu | or it changed again? |
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| 15:16.52 | tigreton | it's so strange alexb_1 i can't ping anything with the emergency access system... |
| 15:17.36 | thewanderer1 | LiohAu: use whatever works for you. it's a matter of being able to handle a tool, and attaining goals with it, avoiding its pitfalls (and both have their own ones). |
| 15:18.06 | LiohAu | usually i try one, and if the first one doesn't work i use the second ^^ |
| 15:18.32 | alexb_1 | tigreton, I guess you need to set network parameters right... Have you changed any of them? |
| 15:18.43 | tigreton | nono, i didn't change it |
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| 15:19.10 | LiohAu | and how do u remove a packet ? aptitude remove packagename ? |
| 15:19.26 | tigreton | they are like defult. and 2 hours ago i can access internet |
| 15:19.57 | thewanderer1 | LiohAu: yeah, or the same but apt-get instead of aptitude :P |
| 15:20.05 | LiohAu | ^^ |
| 15:20.08 | LiohAu | thx :p |
| 15:20.30 | thewanderer1 | see the manpage in any case |
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| 15:24.17 | jokoon | babilen I opened my .FON file, but fontforge doesn't propose ;e bitmap or OTF |
| 15:24.39 | alexb_1 | tigreton, If you got unmanaged server, than you should be able to set up the server yourself... What operating system you have right now on your server? |
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| 15:26.05 | stenno | hello, i just wanted to say thanks to the guys from wiki.debian.org , i followed http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse and successfully installed my wifi card! |
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| 15:26.55 | tigreton | i was setting up my erver, but i can't access via ssh xD. I have debian |
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| 15:27.00 | lxsameer | how can i change my default version of gcc ? |
| 15:27.16 | stenno | i meant http://wiki.debian.org/wl :P |
| 15:27.35 | stenno | tigreton, install sshd |
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| 15:28.28 | tigreton | i don't have ccess to internet... |
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| 15:28.50 | tigreton | i cant access via ssh. i can access via access emergency system and i don't have internet |
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| 15:28.54 | tigreton | that's resume hehe |
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| 15:29.40 | dvs | stenno: That is a very good wiki |
| 15:30.04 | stenno | dvs, indeed it was very helpful and also quite easy to understand even for a noob like me! |
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| 15:35.14 | tweek_ | http://paste.debian.net/plain/117634 make fails because rm cannot remove a directory. anyone know what my problem is here? the error message gets me nowhere |
| 15:35.37 | chrissbx | Hi. Within X applications started after "sux --untrusted - someuser", somehow the altgr key doesn't have an effect, i.e. altgr-3 will just emit 3 instead of the special character it should (using swiss keyboard layout). Any idea why? |
| 15:35.58 | wols_ | lxsameer: either via export CC=... or by changing the /usr/bin/gcc symlink |
| 15:36.21 | cahoot | does dpkg-reconfigure handla gcc? |
| 15:36.54 | cahoot | or is it an alternatives setting? |
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| 15:37.03 | wols_ | cahoot: it handles every package. don't know at all if it changes symlinks tho |
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| 15:37.11 | babilen | tweek_: Any particular reason why you compile that instead of just using the standard ipw2200 kernel module? |
| 15:37.13 | wols_ | and I checked alternatives. couldn't find anything relating to gcc |
| 15:37.20 | chrissbx | tweek_: well, rm can't remove directories without being given -r option; rmdir is for that. Why this happens in those makefiles, is another question. |
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| 15:37.26 | wols_ | cahoot: I was wrong. "cc" is there |
| 15:37.32 | cahoot | ok |
| 15:37.35 | wols_ | lxsameer: use update-alternatives for "cc" |
| 15:37.48 | wols_ | cahoot: was looking for "gcc" :( |
| 15:38.01 | cahoot | big fail ;) |
| 15:38.30 | tweek_ | babilen: it's the ap (access point) driver, which supposedly would allow the card to function in master mode. |
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| 15:39.05 | lxsameer | wols_: the thing i'm looking for i update-alternatives |
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| 15:41.25 | tweek_ | chrissbx: i just noticed, it rm'd everything else in the entire ipw2200-ap-0.3 directory too |
| 15:41.59 | tweek_ | bad makefile? |
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| 15:42.52 | chrissbx | Ask the author(s) of the software you're trying to compile. |
| 15:43.54 | Onryo | How do I add a user to the sudo "wheel" in debian. Most of the time on other *nix I made a group called wheel. Any user that is part of that group can then sudo. |
| 15:44.34 | chrissbx | Or, you could try to hack the makefile(s) yourself and add -r or append || true to the lines with rm, but probably you're only going to sidestep the actual issue then, tweek_. |
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| 15:44.48 | Onryo | ie %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 15:45.01 | tweek_ | chrissbx: on it |
| 15:45.07 | wols_ | !tell Onryo about wheel |
| 15:45.23 | Onryo | nothing wols_ |
| 15:45.42 | wols_ | you got a message from dpkg |
| 15:45.55 | Onryo | ahhh there is it. Thx |
| 15:47.18 | themill | Onryo: you'd use the "sudo" group instead |
| 15:47.29 | Onryo | wols_ not really any info that is helpful. Not going to do it the "hick" way and just add my name under the root thing. |
| 15:47.39 | Onryo | themill that is just what I was looking for |
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| 15:48.43 | Onryo | So in debian they call it something what is sounds like "group sudo" and not "group wheel" nice |
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| 15:50.11 | Onryo | Ahhh finally a linux distro that actually uses the www-data group right for a LAMP! Loving this! |
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| 15:51.59 | themill | Onryo: there is actually quite a difference between "wheel" and "sudo" groups and what they do, but yes, the spirit is the same. |
| 15:52.04 | tweek_ | chrissbx: weird, i did sed -i 's/rm -f/rm -ri/g' on the Makefile, but i get the same error |
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| 15:52.47 | chrissbx | tweek_: do you have a permission problem before that error? |
| 15:53.01 | chrissbx | did you unpack files as root but then compile as some user? |
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| 15:53.19 | chrissbx | tweek_: or are you out of disk space? |
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| 15:53.53 | tweek_ | chrissbx: no, i unpacked it as user, own everything, disk space is sufficient |
| 15:54.05 | Michalxo | babilen: could you send me that dpkg message again? |
| 15:54.13 | tweek_ | but i can't seem to locate the rm command in question |
| 15:54.17 | Michalxo | dpkg Michalxo firmware-realtek |
| 15:54.17 | dpkg | Michalxo: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:54.28 | Michalxo | dpkg Michalxo firmware-linux-realtek |
| 15:54.28 | dpkg | Michalxo: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 15:54.32 | babilen | !firmware-realtek |
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| 15:54.57 | Michalxo | !firmware-linux-realtek michalxo |
| 15:55.03 | Michalxo | babilen: could you please? :-) |
| 15:55.03 | babilen | Michalxo: hehe, no :) |
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| 15:55.10 | babilen | !tell Michalxo about firmware-realtek |
| 15:55.12 | Onryo | themill I still like it. Going to read up on what the differences are. Thx for the feed back |
| 15:55.14 | Michalxo | aaah, -linux- |
| 15:55.23 | babilen | gah, one second |
| 15:55.28 | dawud | I'm having trouble proxying an OID through snmpd.conf, querying directly works (snmpget -v2c -c public 164.0.0.5:1161 OID), queries through proxy fail. Proxy is defined: 'proxy -v2c -c public udp:164.0.0.5:1161 OID) in snmpd.conf. |
| 15:55.29 | Michalxo | :) |
| 15:55.34 | Michalxo | I am on wifi now |
| 15:56.01 | Michalxo | testing now on 38-2 kernel... 38-1 dies after 3 minutes... + network mnager kills it all, so wicd come in play now |
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| 15:56.06 | babilen | Michalxo: "/msg dpkg realtek firmware" should get you the factoid |
| 15:56.14 | chrissbx | tweek_: use "strace -o _outfile -f make" then go through _outfile from the end, when you see "unlink" with a result of EISDIR or so (don't remember the exact error), go further back to execve lines above, those tell you what was run; |
| 15:56.21 | babilen | Michalxo: so, you installed the kernel from backports? |
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| 15:56.25 | chrissbx | tweek_: also, in shell scripts you can add "set -x" |
| 15:56.45 | Michalxo | babilen: backports or experimental.. I don't know :) exp I guess :-) |
| 15:56.54 | babilen | Michalxo: I also meant to link you to http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x but you were gone |
| 15:57.11 | babilen | Michalxo: Which version of Debian to you track/use? |
| 15:57.15 | Michalxo | babilen: there was some other info about kernels 38-1 and 38-2 support about this wifi card |
| 15:57.21 | chrissbx | tweek_: which will output everything the shells do; this helps in cases where it's not make that's running rm, but some shell script (or embedded shell code in makefiles) |
| 15:57.32 | Michalxo | youp, I got kernel panic few times... I guess 7 times :-D |
| 15:58.03 | Michalxo | babilen: mostly stable + backports of some apps.. + when fiddling out with things I use exp and unstable too |
| 15:58.04 | babilen | !tell Michalxo -about rtl8192ce |
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| 15:58.18 | chrissbx | What x386 virtualization solution would you suggest to run on a x386 desktop host? |
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| 15:58.22 | pablo | ola |
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| 15:58.31 | Michalxo | babilen: that was it, thanks! :-) |
| 15:58.42 | babilen | Michalxo: Ugh, that doesn't really sound good. I hope that you backports packages (as described in "/msg dpkg ssb") as opposed to actually installing the wheezy/sid packages. |
| 15:58.45 | pablo | olaaaaaaa |
| 15:58.52 | dawud | pablo: hola |
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| 15:58.54 | pablo | ai argien |
| 15:59.13 | pablo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.14 | pablo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:59.21 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 15:59.26 | dawud | yep |
| 15:59.31 | dvs | all is welcome. ;-) |
| 15:59.34 | Michalxo | babilen: I'd try to query you |
| 15:59.42 | Miesco | When is iceweasel4 coming to squeeze? |
| 15:59.46 | babilen | Michalxo: About what? |
| 15:59.55 | dvs | Miesco: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 16:00.04 | Miesco | Man, flashplayer 10 is crashtastic |
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| 16:00.12 | pablo | lola |
| 16:00.27 | babilen | !es-social pablo |
| 16:00.27 | dpkg | pablo: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi. |
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| 16:01.12 | Michalxo | babilen: http://pastebin.ca/2066994 |
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| 16:01.27 | pablo | no |
| 16:01.28 | pablo | x |
| 16:01.31 | babilen | Michalxo: I block /querys from unregistered users (you use the web interface) but try to keep it in the channel anyway. No need for a private conversation as others in here can and will probably help too. |
| 16:01.31 | pablo | x |
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| 16:01.50 | dawud | ah come on, please someone kicks him out |
| 16:02.00 | babilen | dawud: silenced already |
| 16:02.11 | Michalxo | babilen: I know, I just wanted you to have a look on my sources.list + preferences |
| 16:02.12 | dawud | babilen: thank you very much |
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| 16:03.50 | Michalxo | babilen: + I am registred, don't remember how to register now :-) |
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| 16:04.10 | babilen | Michalxo: Outch, I don't like the look of that and I am not willing to support such a frankendebian. It would be interesting to know how many (and which) packages you installed from each version (apt-show-version|grep -e "/wheezy"), but I would probably recommend to just track wither wheezy or sid and don't mix versions like that. The best way would actually be to track stable/squeeze and *backport* packages yourself. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:04.23 | rozie | hello. |
| 16:04.55 | babilen | Michalxo: make that "apt-show-versions" :) |
| 16:05.14 | Michalxo | babilen: none :-) |
| 16:05.16 | rozie | there's new adobe flash. but this time they don't give .deb, there's only APT for Ubuntu |
| 16:05.36 | rozie | can you please check if you are able to get it from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ ? |
| 16:05.48 | themill | dpkg: tell rozie about adobe flash |
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| 16:05.57 | babilen | Michalxo: repeat that with "testing", "unstable", "sid", "experimental" ... |
| 16:06.06 | themill | rozie: the .deb packages provided by Adobe have never been suitable for Debian. |
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| 16:06.22 | rozie | I installed aptlinex and followed http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/08/how-to-install-apt-support-for.html |
| 16:06.31 | babilen | Michalxo: But honestly: Make up your mind and track *a single version* ... mixing releases is *not* supported in any way and will just cause you and us headaches. |
| 16:06.45 | rozie | but still have "Invalid package name" |
| 16:06.45 | babilen | Michalxo: Your sources.list is also a big mess |
| 16:07.07 | Michalxo | babilen I'd love to shorten it... but I had many issues... |
| 16:07.16 | Michalxo | almost all now solved :-) |
| 16:07.20 | rozie | themill: why you say so? they worked very well for me (on many machines) |
| 16:07.33 | themill | Michalxo: adding more things to your sources.list is very rarely a way of solving problems |
| 16:07.44 | themill | rozie: you'd be about the only one we've ever seen for whom that is the case |
| 16:08.41 | Michalxo | babilen: testing around 30 |
| 16:08.53 | Michalxo | unstable none :-) |
| 16:08.56 | ompaul | Michalxo: and the next upgrade of $X package breaks all your working stuff - when your computer breaks in two you get to keep it all ;-) |
| 16:08.57 | babilen | Michalxo: You have these options: 1. Reinstall and track stable and only use backports (/msg dpkg bdo -- /msg dpkg ssb) (recommended) 2. Upgrade to wheezy and *try* to downgrade sid/exp packages by pinning wheezy to a priority >= 1001 (likely to break) or 3. Upgrade to sid (bumpy ride and hard to administer at times) |
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| 16:09.54 | tweek_ | chrissbx: ok, at first attempt my _outfile got deleted along, had to put it somehwere else, anyway, i can't find anything like EISDIR, also, there was a shell script 'config', which i just tried to run, which terminates with Syntax error: "(" unexpected, so in conclusion, WTF, Intel? |
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| 16:10.32 | babilen | Michalxo: Doing what you are doing now is definitely the worsest thing to do and can not be supported in *any* way in here. (could have been worse as you might have mixed ubuntu, aptosid and other third party packages in there too) |
| 16:10.41 | ompaul | Michalxo: sid has some nasty broken stuff right now - given your need for help ... I'd say stick in testing and let it catch up with itself and kill off the excess - whatever you have it is based on debian but it sure as blazes ain't debian ;-) |
| 16:11.09 | babilen | Michalxo: yeah, I am with ompaul there |
| 16:11.11 | Michalxo | babilen: I am cleaning it all up.. at least I think so :-) |
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| 16:11.36 | ompaul | Michalxo: show us the sources.list when you are done |
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| 16:11.55 | Michalxo | but I'll keep firefox from experimentals :) |
| 16:12.11 | ompaul | Michalxo: you still get rid of the repo |
| 16:12.13 | rozie | themill: I try to stay from flashplugin-nonfree as far as I can |
| 16:12.56 | rozie | it's (used to be) dirty hack, breaks versioning and so on |
| 16:12.56 | action09 | hi all, anyone has a recommendation to have a dualscreen in the easier and stable way ? :) i've nvidia card, i don't care using proprios drivers.. i just want a duascreen :) |
| 16:12.57 | babilen | Michalxo: You know about http://mozilla.debian.net don't you? (currently down) |
| 16:12.59 | Michalxo | ompaul: babilen I hope that testing is fine? |
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| 16:13.16 | ompaul | Michalxo: it ain't stable but it is better than your current mix |
| 16:13.20 | babilen | Michalxo: Everyhting pure is better than what you have now |
| 16:13.21 | chrissbx | tweek_: ah, rm runs stat so it doesn't actually run into the OS error as I was expecting. Well, as I said, contact upstream. |
| 16:13.28 | Michalxo | ompaul: squeeze backports on that page :-) |
| 16:13.39 | ompaul | Michalxo: stay away from backports if you are runnning testing |
| 16:13.45 | tweek_ | chrissbx: thanks |
| 16:14.33 | Michalxo | well.. these testing things are because of broken wifi drivers.. |
| 16:14.47 | dawud | somebody familiar with the use of 'proxy' functionality in snmpd.conf? |
| 16:14.54 | rozie | action09: I used to use xrandr, started at login |
| 16:14.59 | babilen | Michalxo: You know your options (the "wheezy" one does not necessarily need the pinning/downgrade as you can just wait for packages to migrate. You'll have problems with dependencies during that time when you install new packages though) |
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| 16:15.13 | rozie | ugly, but worked and was easy to set up |
| 16:15.19 | action09 | rozie hmm i was thinking of using it, but it needs some tweak on xorg.conf |
| 16:15.32 | rozie | does it? |
| 16:15.42 | babilen | Michalxo: There are plenty of things to get newer software in stable. I would still be quite interested in the list of packages by version .. |
| 16:15.55 | rozie | it worked OOTB on my radeon X1600 with free drivers |
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| 16:16.25 | ompaul | Michalxo: a way to think about what you have just done is this: while working in a car garage you decided that the paint work needed to be touched up so you replaced the gear box (transmission) while you were at it, you then altered the fuel pipes |
| 16:16.27 | rozie | action09: just give it a try |
| 16:16.43 | Michalxo | babilen: go ahead :-) instead of testing I have nothing... +3 packages from experimental, all from firefox :-) |
| 16:17.15 | action09 | rozie yes ok :) next time you see me i'll be on irssi because i broke my X ;) |
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| 16:18.00 | Michalxo | ompaul: :-D yeah, that sounds like me :-)) |
| 16:18.04 | rozie | action09: just ctrl-alt-F2 to text mode, (alt-F7 to return to X) |
| 16:18.07 | babilen | Michalxo: You checked that for all of the version you list in your sources.list (squeeze-backports, sid, testing, unstable, experimental) ? May I see the output please? |
| 16:18.21 | Michalxo | babilen: of course :-) |
| 16:18.22 | babilen | Michalxo: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 16:20.33 | osfd | Hi there, Do you think it is possible to start an install from a running linux |
| 16:20.44 | dvs | osfd: it's called bootstrapping |
| 16:20.44 | rozie | osfd: yes. |
| 16:20.52 | Miesco | How do I find out my cpu temperature? |
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| 16:21.02 | dvs | Miesco: sensors |
| 16:21.03 | rozie | Miesco: sensors, acpitools... |
| 16:21.06 | ner0x | So let me get this straight, there are three releases, stable, testing, and unstable. |
| 16:21.12 | rozie | osfd: man debootstrap |
| 16:21.12 | ner0x | In that order correct? |
| 16:21.24 | dvs | ner0x: in order of what |
| 16:21.28 | osfd | dvs: would you mind telling me a little bit more, please |
| 16:21.30 | ner0x | dvs: Stability. |
| 16:21.36 | dvs | ner0x: yes |
| 16:21.38 | ner0x | dvs: And general feezing and releasing. |
| 16:21.44 | rozie | ner0x: experimental goes after unstable |
| 16:21.45 | ompaul | ner0x: we could add in experimental |
| 16:21.46 | rozie | ;) |
| 16:22.11 | ner0x | Ah. So if I wanted to test out "testing" and go from 6.0.3a stable, how would I do so? |
| 16:22.20 | ner0x | And how "cutting edge" is it? |
| 16:22.38 | Michalxo | babilen: this is weird... I removed some of the sources from .list and I don't get any experimental, testing, wheezy outputs from provided command.. |
| 16:22.39 | ompaul | Miesco: it only works with a limited amount of hardware - but hey if it works it is nice |
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| 16:22.58 | babilen | Michalxo: That is no wonder if you removed them from your sources.list |
| 16:22.58 | dvs | osfd: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 16:23.24 | babilen | Michalxo: If you run "aptitude search ~o" you'll get a list of these packages that can't now be found in any repo |
| 16:23.43 | Michalxo | aha :-) |
| 16:23.47 | ompaul | ner0x: you need to define cutting edge - leaked gpled code it ain't it generally works rather well because it is not that but why would you want the bleeding edge give me a compulsive reason ;-) |
| 16:23.48 | rozie | OK, does anybody have APT links support installed in Iceweasel and can check one think (one link) for me? |
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| 16:24.24 | babilen | Michalxo: I would still prefer to know from which one the packages are, but I guess that a preliminary list based on these "obsolete" packages will do for now |
| 16:24.33 | ner0x | ompaul: I was actually heading in the opposite direction. I do not want cutting edge. |
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| 16:24.36 | babilen | s/one/repos |
| 16:24.46 | ompaul | ner0x: use stable and be happy |
| 16:24.53 | made_of_storm | Hello |
| 16:24.57 | babilen | made_of_storm: welcome |
| 16:25.00 | dvs | ner0x: and maybe backports once in a while |
| 16:25.02 | ner0x | ompaul: I have two boxes. The laptop was going to "testing" just to see a few things. |
| 16:25.14 | ner0x | My production box is staying stable. :) I'm not a fool. |
| 16:25.28 | osfd | dvs: thank you... if I carefully follow that, I might do an entire fresh install without, CD or DVD ? |
| 16:25.44 | ner0x | So, the question remains, how do I go from stable to testing? |
| 16:25.49 | made_of_storm | anyone knows where i can find linux-headers to 2.6.18.xs4.0.1.900.5799 kernel ? |
| 16:25.51 | ner0x | Without a reinstall? |
| 16:25.53 | dvs | osfd: Or a USB drive |
| 16:25.54 | tigreton | is this ok for my ssh server doing netstat -tul?: tcp 0 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN |
| 16:26.14 | ompaul | !testing |
| 16:26.14 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 16:26.16 | MrFrood | gives ner0x some woody install floppies |
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| 16:26.29 | \amethyst | tigreton: assuming you want it to be listening on all interfaces, yes |
| 16:26.52 | babilen | ner0x: In order to achieve that you would: 1. Remove stable specific suites from your sources list (backports, squeeze-proposed-updates, squeeze-updates, squeeze/updates, ...) 2. Replace "squeeze" with "wheezy" 3. "aptitude full-upgrade" -- Note that you might and will run into problems sooner or later and that you are expected to be able to fix them |
| 16:26.53 | ner0x | loves floppies. |
| 16:27.07 | tigreton | ok ty amethyst |
| 16:27.13 | osfd | dvs: point being, I can't boot from usb, cd, or even network so I'm kinda trap and that would be a relief ... |
| 16:27.25 | ner0x | babilen: That's fine. I'm not new to linux, just debian. |
| 16:27.25 | babilen | ner0x: Also note that #debian-next is the channel for wheezy/sid users and you are well advised to read the sid FAQ linked in that channel's topic |
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| 16:27.47 | tigreton | so how i know ssh is denieing my connections? |
| 16:27.50 | dvs | osfd: Then what can you boot from? |
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| 16:27.55 | \amethyst | tigreton: also, if it's running on IPv6 as well there shoul also be a line for ssh starting with 'tcp6' |
| 16:27.55 | ner0x | babilen: It would seem that channel is invite only. |
| 16:28.15 | MrFrood | ner0x: it's on oftc |
| 16:28.18 | osfd | dvs: HDD only and my install is about to die... |
| 16:28.24 | babilen | ner0x: You need to be fairly proficient with Debian's packaging system and other ways to handle things or at least eager to learn and spent time on this. Triaging and filing bugs should also sound interesting to you :) |
| 16:28.34 | babilen | ner0x: Ah, yes. That channel is on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:28.42 | tigreton | amethyst yes, it has one more line with tcp6 |
| 16:28.53 | ner0x | babilen: Bug reports are fine with me. |
| 16:28.57 | babilen | ner0x: (the official Debian IRC network -- irc.debian.org == irc.oftc.net) |
| 16:29.03 | tigreton | so how i know ssh is refusing my connections? |
| 16:29.09 | dvs | osfd: Then I guess it's debootstrap |
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| 16:29.36 | \amethyst | tigreton: you can use AddressFamily inet in /etc/ssh/sshd_config if you want to turn off IPv6, but there's probably no reason to do that |
| 16:29.47 | osfd | dvs: last stupid question... this is an entire install I'll be able to boot from... |
| 16:29.59 | tigreton | amethyst, no i don't have any reason to do that hahaha |
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| 16:30.11 | tigreton | or at least i think that |
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| 16:30.51 | dvs | osfd: Huh? What do you mean? Will this give you a bootable system? I sure hope so! |
| 16:31.08 | cokegen | Hi, I have an etch box that I can't upgrade right now, and I really need to upgrade the ca-certificates package bc I do some stuff with curl there |
| 16:31.25 | babilen | etch? |
| 16:31.30 | cokegen | yes, I know |
| 16:31.41 | osfd | dvs: thank you... I'll try that... as I'm running a mac, I hope it's gonne work... |
| 16:31.52 | cokegen | it's a very old box that is running a system I can't upgrade right now, I'm planning the migration |
| 16:31.59 | Michalxo | babilen: registered now :-) http://paste.debian.net/117641/ so what should I do now? comment out all except squeeze and testing? |
| 16:32.18 | cokegen | but in the middle, I need curl to work again ... I get some errors |
| 16:32.30 | babilen | cokegen: Ok, you might want to try to backport the ca-certificates from lenny/squeeze (/msg dpkg ssb) and you should upgrade that box to squeeze ASAP |
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| 16:32.44 | cokegen | sure ... I am |
| 16:33.04 | babilen | cokegen: I can't tell you if that is possible and how much work you are looking at (depends on the dependencies) |
| 16:33.23 | tigreton | \methyst how can i see if ssh server is refusing my connections? |
| 16:33.29 | ner0x | Where can I get docs on the debian packaging system? |
| 16:33.46 | Resilience | if i do if=/dev/whateverunit of=whateverfile I do a byte-copy of the unit including the mbr? |
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| 16:34.29 | rozie | Resilience: define whateverunit |
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| 16:35.03 | rozie | if its sda with mbr installed - yes. if it's sda1 - not |
| 16:35.34 | Resilience | rozie, a zip removable unit dd if=/dev/hdd |
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| 16:37.53 | made_of_storm | anyone knows where i can find linux-headers to 2.6.18.xs4.0.1.900.5799 kernel ? |
| 16:38.04 | babilen | Michalxo: Ok, I would do the following: 1. Use http://paste.debian.net/117642/ as your sources.list 2. Install the .38 kernel from backports (aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64) and reboot into that kernel. 3. Remove the linux-headers/linux-image-*-38 packages *not* from backports 4. Backports the wine packages manually (/msg dpkg ssb) no idea how hard that is though as I don't care about wine |
| 16:38.59 | babilen | Michalxo: You can use the packages from http://mozilla.debian.net though once the service there is up and running again |
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| 16:39.04 | themill | made_of_storm: that's not a debian kernel. Any idea where you got it from? |
| 16:39.36 | made_of_storm | this kernel is xen based :s |
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| 16:40.36 | Michalxo | babilen: ompaul thank you for your help guys! :-) hopefully I'll finally manage to get control over APT and not vise versa :-) thank you |
| 16:40.55 | babilen | Michalxo: good luck, come back/just ask if you have further questions |
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| 16:41.35 | Michalxo | babilen: I am not here for first time asking for help :-) |
| 16:42.05 | buntfalke | Where to find which types of packages are followed when checking dependencies? depends, suggests etc |
| 16:42.28 | buntfalke | I did not alter the setting, thus it aint in the config, but I'd like to query for it, not rely on manpages |
| 16:42.57 | Michalxo | babilen: last question for now.. what about apt/preferences? |
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| 16:43.00 | wols_ | themill: Xensource 4.0 etch template |
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| 16:43.11 | babilen | Michalxo: Even better. Just wanted to encourage you to ask further questions if something is unclear and to let you know that you (just like everybody else) are welcomed in here |
| 16:43.24 | babilen | Michalxo: Yeah, you can remove the pinning there |
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| 16:47.07 | chrissbx | I'm getting tired of all the home servers that break down on me. I've had an old laptop, broke, then an ITX board (no moving parts!), broke, now considering installing an old eee pc but I can probably be assured that it will break in a couple months, too. |
| 16:47.15 | Michalxo | babilen: and how to get newer software to debian? in backports, there's not much of packages... |
| 16:47.35 | chrissbx | What would you suggest to use instead, something reliable...? And silent. |
| 16:47.41 | babilen | Michalxo: Read "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 16:47.59 | Michalxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.02 | wols_ | chrissbx: maybe it's your work profile that kills them all? |
| 16:48.07 | latsni | hi, is there a way to record a voise, a noise or music direct from the soundcard while playing it with a mediaplayer under linux? i can remember that i could record a kind of stereo mix under windows long time ago, but is this also possible under debain linux? i can't find any help for it. i am only possible to record from mic and linein |
| 16:48.41 | chrissbx | wols_: hu? Just leaving them on all the time. Almost no load. |
| 16:48.41 | babilen | Michalxo: Or wait for the next stable release. You also know about the other options, but *please* don't mix releases. Also read: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#FAQ |
| 16:48.45 | babilen | !tell Michalxo -about ssb |
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| 16:49.05 | wols_ | chrissbx: and what is it that always breaks? |
| 16:49.41 | MrFrood | !tell latsni about jack |
| 16:49.47 | wols_ | chrissbx: and what is the intended usage for the system? |
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| 16:50.02 | chrissbx | wols_: on the laptop I first used usb flash sticks as root volume, that wore out 2 sticks till I went back to internal disk, but then the USB *port* broke (so no disk access anymore at all). On the ITX, I dunno, it just started freezing up. |
| 16:50.21 | chrissbx | wols_: as I said, home server |
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| 16:50.43 | chrissbx | i.e. router to the internet, a couple USB disks for my backups, local ethernet. |
| 16:50.50 | chrissbx | some web serving, voip. |
| 16:51.06 | MrFrood | latsni: audacity can record the line out but using JACK for audio will give you more flexability in terms of recording |
| 16:51.18 | wols_ | chrissbx: home server is a wide designation. that can range from mythbox which transcodes and records 24/7 to basically a router which uses 1% cpu to do pppoe :) |
| 16:51.27 | chrissbx | I prefer computers with a VGA port so that I can attach a monitor if something breaks in my setup, but I'll live with something else too; I'm after reliability now. |
| 16:51.35 | wols_ | chrissbx: and it depends on the amount of money you want to spend |
| 16:52.08 | chrissbx | Cheaper is better since then I can buy two so that when one breaks.... |
| 16:52.31 | action09 | for installing nvidia debian way i need to ahve the headers, but i use bpo kernel, so i decide to install the version headers: i've got: linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64: Depend linux-kbuild-2.6.38 which is a virtual pakg |
| 16:52.33 | chrissbx | 128 MB RAM should be enough, 256 MB is better. |
| 16:52.34 | wols_ | you can use for example a pogoplug (or seagate dockstar), a AMD Brazos based mobo, an ATOM based one, a Beagleboard, etc. tons of choices |
| 16:52.46 | chrissbx | cpu doesn't really matter |
| 16:52.51 | chrissbx | Yeah considering beagle board. |
| 16:53.10 | wols_ | chrissbx: look at seagate dockstar if you can still find it |
| 16:53.14 | action09 | and there's no linux-kbuild-2.6.38 :( |
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| 16:54.13 | tweek_ | chrissbx: thanks for your help before, i just found a mailing list, according to which the makefile is actually broken and intel abandoned the driver some time ago. |
| 16:54.33 | chrissbx | tweek_: aha, thanks for telling |
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| 16:55.50 | Q_x | hi all |
| 16:56.28 | Q_x | I have to confess, I have a problem |
| 16:56.36 | dvs | REALLY?!? |
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| 16:56.57 | wols_ | dvs: really. addiction to use the enter key needlessly. it will get its DSM IV entry any day now |
| 16:56.57 | Q_x | I used to install stuff without any problems, but this time it was different |
| 16:57.22 | ompaul | Q_x: we all failed at telepathy, which is why we are here ;-) (all in one line please) |
| 16:57.31 | dvs | puts away the Enter key in case the DEA is watching. |
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| 16:57.45 | Q_x | keyboard and pointing devices are not working under X after fresh install of testing netinstall |
| 16:58.02 | wols_ | oh yay, another one of those! |
| 16:58.09 | babilen | Q_x: wonderful, please proceed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and wait for pending help |
| 16:58.10 | Q_x | if I re-plug my mouse I can use screen keyboard, that's all |
| 16:58.33 | wols_ | babilen: is that channel for testing too? |
| 16:58.38 | ompaul | wols_: yes |
| 16:58.48 | babilen | wols_: testing + unstable (everyhting stable in here) |
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| 16:58.58 | ompaul | tried to /nick as babilen but was told it was in use |
| 16:59.12 | Q_x | uhh, ok |
| 16:59.17 | babilen | ompaul: sorry :) |
| 16:59.36 | Q_x | (and no luck in googling as well) |
| 16:59.36 | babilen | brb |
| 16:59.59 | babilen | Q_x: Please come to #debian-next which is the correct channel for testing/unstable users ... |
| 17:00.01 | ompaul | Q_x: he wasn't joking about #debian-next |
| 17:00.11 | Q_x | sure |
| 17:00.37 | babilen | ok, brb ... need coffee + cigarette (jarmusch and benigni style) |
| 17:00.54 | action09 | http://pastebin.com/znWmpKgT here's my problem how to get the headers files for my 2.6.38 backported kernel please ? i need them for nvidia drivers.. |
| 17:01.04 | MrFrood | thinks babilen is on to a good thang... |
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| 17:01.35 | Q_x | later |
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| 17:01.39 | wols_ | what is in kbuild packages? |
| 17:01.59 | dvs | action09: LANG=C aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 17:02.13 | action09 | dvgsvc same |
| 17:02.27 | wols_ | action09: rebuild the bpo kernel yourself? |
| 17:02.33 | action09 | no |
| 17:02.38 | wols_ | why not? |
| 17:02.53 | action09 | just installed the bpo kernel and tried to get the headers for nvidia drivers :) |
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| 17:03.28 | superlinux | hi, I have a record "www.superlinux.net" and I have a virtual host: ranix.superlinxux.net. how can I make www point to ranix? I don't own the server of ranix. |
| 17:03.41 | wols_ | action09: yes. and I suggest you build that bpo package yourself and you will be happy. BPO has bugs. always. E.g. I couldn't boot after installing the bpo kernel. I needed firmware for my radeon |
| 17:03.46 | superlinux | sorry! |
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| 17:03.54 | superlinux | there is a mistake |
| 17:03.54 | jhutchins_lt | action09: I think you can use the sid headers without causing problems. |
| 17:04.10 | superlinux | hi, I have a record "www.superlinux.net" and I have a virtual host: ranix.coolfreepage.com. how can I make www point to ranix? I don't own the server of ranix. |
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| 17:04.51 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: Does ranix have a unique IP? |
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| 17:05.24 | action09 | wols_ hmm you mean to build myself the bpo pkg.. |
| 17:05.42 | action09 | jhutchins_lt you mean do dist-upgrade to sid ? |
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| 17:05.52 | superlinux | jhutchins_lt, this is a free hosting site. it's similar to : domain.com/user/username |
| 17:05.56 | jhutchins_lt | action09: Not unless you want a broken system. |
| 17:06.18 | jhutchins_lt | action09: JUST the headers. |
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| 17:06.49 | linuxxx | hello |
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| 17:06.55 | wols_ | action09: jhutchins_lt means to only install the headers from sid. and I mean to build the bpo package yourself, yes |
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| 17:07.14 | action09 | jhutchins_lt ahh yes |
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| 17:07.49 | linuxxx | i want to purge a package and aptitude shows me other packages that will be removed how can i do to purge only the package i want? |
| 17:08.06 | action09 | wols_ never did that.. any clue to do it please/commands /0\ ? i downlaod the headers from sid and make the pkg ? |
| 17:08.09 | action09 | :) |
| 17:08.31 | tensorpudding | linuxxx: aptitude will only remove packages if their dependencies are no longer satisfied or if you tell it to purge them explicitly |
| 17:08.51 | stew | linuxxx: are they marked with {u} ? |
| 17:08.52 | jhutchins_lt | action09: I don't see what difference building the package will make, but wols_ usually knows better than I do. |
| 17:09.26 | linuxxx | tensorpudding: the problem is that i want to remove libimobiledevice1 package and aptitude want to remove gnome |
| 17:09.44 | MrFrood | linuxxx: the packages will be marked as auto installed - change tha to manually installed and aptitude most likly won't want to uninstall them |
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| 17:13.03 | ner0x | So what's up with iceweasel? Firefox not allowed? |
| 17:13.17 | babilen | !tell ner0x -about why iceweasel |
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| 17:14.26 | tonsofpcs | except that the 'why' includes 'not using trademarks' and the binary name is still firefox-bin.... |
| 17:14.52 | Michalxo | babilen: weren't here some news about merging firefox to debian again? |
| 17:15.25 | babilen | Michalxo: yes, there were. I don't follow that development closely though. |
| 17:15.28 | ner0x | Well that's sort of stupid. |
| 17:15.51 | ompaul | ner0x: no, the rules are the rules you can't do a security fix and still call it firefox |
| 17:15.57 | wols_ | ner0x: blame mozilla. their lawyers wanted it that way |
| 17:16.14 | ompaul | ner0x: so we have this way of not doing things - same code built |
| 17:16.18 | ompaul | different package name |
| 17:16.20 | ner0x | I mean, it's not that big of a deal. |
| 17:16.31 | ner0x | But it sure is interfering with selenium and coding. :-/ |
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| 17:16.46 | ompaul | ner0x: it is huge, it makes it not free |
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| 17:17.01 | ner0x | ompaul: I meant to me specifically. |
| 17:17.02 | ompaul | in terms of that kind of fixing and redistributing |
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| 17:17.06 | four-o-four | hi, I have an ARM9 board |
| 17:17.12 | four-o-four | and want to put a linux on it |
| 17:17.34 | four-o-four | to work with protocols like GPIO/ I2C/ PWM etc |
| 17:17.34 | nz17 | Hello. udev is not generating /dev/cdrom, /dev/dvd, etc. How to fix? |
| 17:17.36 | MrFrood | four-o-four: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:17.52 | four-o-four | MrFrood: tnx |
| 17:18.11 | alexb_1 | hi all, I've added "java_home=blabla export java_home" to /etc/profile, but java_home is not available after restart. why could it be? thanks. |
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| 17:30.54 | somiaj | nz17: those are links that you can set up in /etc/udev/links.conf |
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| 17:32.19 | nz17 | somiaj: Thanks, I'll check out that. |
| 17:33.41 | nz17 | somiaj: I checked that file and the top reads, "This file does not exist. Please do not ask the Debian maintainer about it. |
| 17:33.41 | nz17 | # If you need manually created devices, create them in /lib/udev/devices/ ." |
| 17:33.46 | nz17 | What now? |
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| 17:35.14 | somiaj | nz17: not sure but that is where I add links, I have a line that says L cdrom /dev/sr0 which makes my cdrom link |
| 17:35.53 | nz17 | Hmm, well this sound like a good starting point at least. |
| 17:36.02 | nz17 | Hmm, well this sounds like a good starting point at least. |
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| 17:44.32 | somiaj | nz17: it appears that debian prefers you generate these links with /etc/udeb/rules.d/<rules script> -- since these are config scripts you may not get them generated correctaly like my machine and will ahve to reinstall the default configs (there should be one to create the links you talk about) -- though you can just use links.conf to make a static link instead of having a rules script generate one for every cd/dvd device. |
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| 17:45.25 | somiaj | nz17: the rules file I have is 70-persistent-cd.rules |
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| 17:48.25 | zapadlo | Hello, could somebody please tell me the correct way to turn on 'emulate3buttons'? There are tonnes of ways on the net, none I tried so far actually work, I'm running Testing |
| 17:48.41 | anigma | I've just mounted a FreeBSD drive to /dev/sdb1 /mnt/. I can't figure out why /usr is empty? |
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| 17:49.46 | nz17 | somiaj: Yeah, I've been tangoing with that file for two days now, found now to generate it, but udev still won't create /dev/dvd or /dev/cdrom. |
| 17:50.14 | nz17 | The content is 'SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="/dev/hdc", SYMLINK+="cdrom", ENV{GENERATED}="1"' |
| 17:50.49 | nz17 | And my DVD-ROM drive is /dev/hdc. |
| 17:50.55 | babilen | zapadlo: synaptics thinkpad? |
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| 17:51.03 | babilen | zapadlo: trackpad that is :) |
| 17:51.14 | nz17 | zapadlo: You need to change the mouse section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to enable that. |
| 17:51.34 | zapadlo | Ah, I don't have xorg.conf and I'm having trouble generating it |
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| 17:51.56 | zapadlo | babilen No, trackball :) |
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| 17:52.13 | babilen | zapadlo: Ok, whatever your device is you should create a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and include a device specific section in there in which you specify the options you want. /msg dpkg xorg.conf.d -- /msg dpkg empty xorg.conf |
| 17:52.56 | zapadlo | Right, so ding it with udev rules is not the correct way to do it? |
| 17:52.59 | zapadlo | doing* |
| 17:53.09 | babilen | zapadlo: Read "man mousedrv" if this is about a mouse |
| 17:53.20 | babilen | zapadlo: No, xorg.conf.d is preferred |
| 17:53.43 | nz17 | zapadlo: You might try (as root) running "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg". |
| 17:53.49 | babilen | zapadlo: If you use a fancy desktop environment like gnome you can also configure it there. |
| 17:53.59 | nz17 | zapadlo: That will get your xorg.conf auto-generated again. |
| 17:54.11 | babilen | nz17: Xorg configures itself automagically, it is preferred to just tweak parts of the configuration |
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| 17:54.23 | nz17 | babilen: I'm old. :) |
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| 17:54.36 | zapadlo | No, don't have Gnome, well not using it anyway |
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| 17:54.52 | babilen | nz17: I am as well, but that doesn't mean that one should neglect changes in the way things are done :) |
| 17:55.23 | nz17 | babilen: I'm ig'nant. :P |
| 17:55.24 | babilen | zapadlo: Just wanted to mention it if that would have been the case. What do you use? |
| 17:55.33 | zapadlo | openbox |
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| 17:55.51 | babilen | zapadlo: ok, go with a configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ then |
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| 17:57.11 | zapadlo | babilen ok, and if /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ folder is absent, I'm to create one? |
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| 17:58.47 | jham | zapadlo: wouldn't hurt |
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| 17:58.54 | babilen | zapadlo: Yes, please read "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d" "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "man mousedrv" for details |
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| 17:59.00 | jham | zapadlo: nice nick |
| 17:59.41 | zapadlo | babilen Thank you |
| 17:59.47 | zapadlo | jham Thanks :) |
| 18:00.10 | kzar | I'm using GNU screen to conect to a device over serial, it's pretty much working fine except that carridge returns are being translated into newlines somewhere along the way. I've used the -icrnl switch but it's not helping. Any ideas if its readbuf or the tty that's causing it or how to fix it? Totally stuck now! |
| 18:00.43 | pipeline | kzar: it's probably some combination of termcap and the terminal application you are using. Try a smarter terminal application. |
| 18:01.02 | pipeline | kzar: e.g. try running picocom inside screen |
| 18:01.20 | pipeline | kzar: (picocom is a stripped down minicom that basically only does text terminal shit) |
| 18:01.42 | pipeline | kzar: in other words, trial and error is way easier than troubleshooting termcap voodoo |
| 18:01.57 | kzar | pipeline: Well the issue arrises when I'm using readbuf command to read a file in and then the paste command to paste it out so hopefully nothing is interfering with GNU screen |
| 18:02.30 | kzar | pipeline: I don't care what it does when I actually type in the window |
| 18:03.56 | kzar | pipeline: Yep it's a total bastard to figure out stuff like this, trial and erroring it for the last couple of weeks lol |
| 18:04.35 | rgr | empty xorg.conf doesnt work for too many people for it to be recommended imo |
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| 18:06.30 | babilen | rgr: You can always configure not working devices seperately |
| 18:07.30 | rgr | kzar: I feel your pain. I gave up trying to get emacs -t working properly in tmux and screen because of termcap issues. It almost melted my brain ... |
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| 18:08.17 | anigma | is it not possible to mount UFS as read-write? |
| 18:08.28 | kzar | rgr: heh shucks |
| 18:08.28 | jhutchins_lt | !ufs |
| 18:08.28 | dpkg | UFS is the Unix File System. Different implementations are used in various Unix and Unix-like operating systems. http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ufs.txt . See also <filesystems>. |
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| 18:09.25 | pipeline | anigma: not for any practical purpose, no |
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| 18:09.47 | dualboot | somiaj,nz17: I have a file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules which seems to be generated (no package seems to own it) - probably by /lib/udev/rules.d/75-cd-alias-generator.rules. I suppose if the file in /etc/udev/rules.d were not there it would get regenerated with proper content after a reboot. But if you try it, make a backup first. |
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| 18:10.09 | pipeline | anigma: truth be told, your best bet for mounting ufs is to try to virtualize an OS that can read the format. Solaris x86, Darwin for osx/nextstep, FreeBSD for any BSD filessytem. |
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| 18:10.33 | pipeline | anigma: UFS comes in too many flavors with too many pitfalls to have much luck writing dirctly wit the linux kernell driver |
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| 18:11.40 | zapadlo | babilen Once I created a .conf file, so I just need to restart X? |
| 18:11.47 | anigma | pipeline: ah |
| 18:11.56 | somiaj | nz17: I'd still just use links.conf file, it makes persistant links as opposed to teh rules that generate them. It may not be prefered but it works. |
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| 18:13.32 | babilen | zapadlo: yes |
| 18:13.44 | zapadlo | babilen Ok, brb then |
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| 18:15.24 | zapadlo | Ok, it had no effect |
| 18:15.58 | babilen | zapadlo: I'm off now, but it would probably help if you show us what you've done |
| 18:16.42 | zapadlo | babilen Ok, thank you for your help |
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| 18:17.14 | ZitZ | hi, i'm sorry for asking here, but does anyone know of a channel for ekiga or linphone? |
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| 18:17.50 | babilen | ZitZ: irc.gnome.org, 6667, #ekiga |
| 18:18.07 | ZitZ | oh, thanks babilen, i didn't think or looking off freenode |
| 18:18.35 | action09 | ok let's these nvidia/nv stuff ... now i want to have a dual screen... do i have to kill someone to have it ? :) |
| 18:19.05 | pipeline | action09: nv and nvidia both support xrandr correctly, so it's trivial. Plug in monitor. Read xrandr man page. |
| 18:19.17 | action09 | i mean, on the backported kernel i use it's not possible to download the headers. i need to reconstruct pkg.. i thought there were some wsimpler method to do thant :) |
| 18:19.23 | zapadlo | Ok, I created a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-mouse.conf with content of: http://pastebin.com/khyR2ABs |
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| 18:20.14 | action09 | pipeline yeah but i used debian for years and before there was a xorg.conf file.. now there's not.. i don't know what driver i'm using now.. i suppose vesa. is there a way to create manage xorg.conf file now ? |
| 18:20.16 | action09 | please |
| 18:20.47 | pipeline | action09: X -configure will generate xorg.conf |
| 18:20.54 | action09 | ahhh |
| 18:20.55 | action09 | thanks |
| 18:20.57 | pipeline | action09: it will probably use nv ootb |
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| 18:21.11 | pipeline | action09: most people don't put their multimonitor config in xorg.conf thuogh |
| 18:21.13 | project2501a | hey guys, has anybody used gnu parallel? |
| 18:21.19 | project2501a | stupid question |
| 18:21.23 | action09 | pipeline xrandr see only one screen.. |
| 18:21.26 | project2501a | does gnu parallel support scp? |
| 18:21.39 | pipeline | action09: I find it convenient to use shell scripts to manage my multimonitor config, e.g. "office.sh" for my monitors at work, "mirror.sh" for a projector |
| 18:21.48 | pipeline | action09: most people use preferences applets in their desktop environment to manage same |
| 18:21.49 | babilen | !tell action09 -about empty xorg.conf |
| 18:21.53 | project2501a | or how can i copy a file to multiple hosts, other than sshing into the host are reverse scping ? |
| 18:21.55 | babilen | !tell action09 -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 18:21.58 | pipeline | action09: if xrandr -q doesn't return more than one monitor plugged in, that's bad |
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| 18:22.19 | pipeline | action09: because istr nv supports xrandr (protocol) and nvidia, the proprietary driver, definitely does |
| 18:22.30 | Miesco | I have a sandy bridges i5, should sensors detect this? |
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| 18:23.35 | action09 | pipeline so there's no way ? |
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| 18:24.12 | Tordek | hi |
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| 18:24.27 | gauge | Hey. On the Arch Linux forums I see a lot of use of 'Archey3', a little cute python script that prints some nifty system info. Great for when your posting pictures of your set-up. Does debian have anything like that? |
| 18:24.49 | ZitZ | how bout lspci |
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| 18:24.52 | Tordek | I tried installing gpsim, but it's gui-less; apparently due to a lack of gtkextra... why was gtkextra removed? |
| 18:24.55 | pipeline | action09: you have some troubleshooting to do. Something is very broken if xrandr query returns wrong data. |
| 18:25.07 | pipeline | action09: I am asserting that your use case is expected to work. |
| 18:25.19 | babilen | gauge: Porting that script to Debian is probably not that hard |
| 18:25.23 | pipeline | action09: knowing that something is possible is the first step to having it working :) |
| 18:25.30 | pipeline | babilen, gauge : hell there's a good chance it works ootb |
| 18:25.37 | babilen | pipeline: yup :) |
| 18:25.49 | gauge | ZitZ: yeah. yeah i have. and i do love lspci (when it wants to show me my soundcard...) but google archey3 and you'll see it's rather cool. |
| 18:26.19 | Miesco | What package will give me i2c-detect? |
| 18:26.30 | gauge | pipeline: nah, somethings broken in the python (line 415) when i try to run it in debian or in OSX. |
| 18:26.52 | babilen | gauge: fix it :) |
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| 18:27.05 | action09 | pipeline i dunno i installed a fresh 64bits squeeze, and i face a huge problem (no boot) with my p8p67 MB, so i use the backported kernel 2.6.38 and now it's OK. but i can't install proprietary rivers without getting the headers, that aren't available without reconstruting the pkg... so i decide to do a simple dual screen with xrandr, but it output oney one screen.. |
| 18:27.07 | gauge | aye, it's that always the answer ;) |
| 18:27.14 | action09 | this must be #theendoftheworld :) |
| 18:27.36 | ZitZ | i know what you mean, Arch is very cool, definitely my second favorite distro, it rivals debian |
| 18:27.47 | pipeline | action09: use the 2.6.38 or 2.6.39 kernel from "experimental" and then use the nvidia-kernel-dkms package also from unstable |
| 18:27.55 | pipeline | action09: rather, also from experimental |
| 18:28.02 | gauge | I love the comunity of cli nerds. Wicked hardcore members they have. |
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| 18:28.10 | pipeline | action09: google "apt pinning for beginners" for a good explanation on how to mix experimental and squeeze semi-safely |
| 18:28.17 | action09 | pipeline fort the end of the world ? :) |
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| 18:28.45 | action09 | pipeline anyway good advice thanks. i plan maybe tyo upgrade to testing.. |
| 18:29.02 | pipeline | action09: in a nutshell, "apt-get -t experimental install nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-headers-2.6.39-1-686-pae linux-image-2.6.39-1-686-pae" (after you have pinning set up) |
| 18:29.10 | ZitZ | that's true, i like how their packages are not patched, just pure upstream, and they get newer software out faster, it seems like gnome3 has much fewer bugs on Arch than on Debian |
| 18:29.15 | pipeline | action09: or if you're on 64 bit, amd64 instead of 686-pae |
| 18:29.16 | babilen | gauge: What error do you get and can you paste the script? I'll take a look |
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| 18:29.24 | pipeline | ZitZ: #arch |
| 18:30.01 | ZitZ | hey now |
| 18:30.29 | gauge | pipeline: Thanks! also; I get the same 'invalid syntax error', on both debian and OSX. |
| 18:30.57 | pipeline | gauge: probably need a newer python |
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| 18:31.50 | babilen | gauge: Paste the script and the error you get when you try to run it please. My crystal ball is not working that great, but it might just be that you need a different python version (and that the shebang line does not make that explicit) |
| 18:31.50 | gauge | aww... |
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| 18:32.11 | action09 | pipeline thanks a lot for your help :) one last thing what would you recommend steps wit experimental above or upgrade to testing ? |
| 18:32.31 | action09 | pipeline i suppose experimetnal stuff above, because you proposed it :) |
| 18:32.33 | pipeline | action09: you want to pin experimental at a very low priority relative to whatever your core distribution is |
| 18:32.46 | \amethyst | gauge: which version of python3 do you have? |
| 18:32.51 | Miesco | Maybe I should go to wheezy |
| 18:33.00 | pipeline | action09: then, when you "-t experimenal," you are manually overriding the pin. You DO NOT WANT to accidentally upgrade to experimental, it is not intended to be used in that fashion. |
| 18:33.22 | nz17 | My /dev/hdc is "brw------- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2011-05-22 05:12 /dev/hdc", but I want it to have "read" for the group too. This gets reset on reboot. Suggestions? |
| 18:33.28 | babilen | pipeline: it is typically pinned to 1 anyway |
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| 18:33.45 | gauge | babilen: the script is @ github.com/bluepeppers/archey3/raw/master/archey3 |
| 18:33.54 | zapadlo | I think I'm getting close, I know the file is being read, but its not having any effect |
| 18:33.59 | \amethyst | gauge: that syntax works for me with both 3.1.3 and 3.2.1rc |
| 18:34.19 | gauge | my python ver is 2.6.6, and the error is @ line 415. |
| 18:34.28 | \amethyst | gauge: that's a python3 script |
| 18:34.29 | Miesco | When will 2.6.38 be in squeeze? |
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| 18:34.35 | zapadlo | How do I determine 'Device' path? I don't have /dev/mouse |
| 18:34.39 | \amethyst | gauge: python3 --version |
| 18:34.40 | gauge | 3.1.3?! my god where have a been? damn you Apple. |
| 18:34.40 | dvs | Miesco: in backports |
| 18:34.58 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 18:34.59 | \amethyst | gauge: 'python' is still python 2 |
| 18:34.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc7-686-pae (2.6.39~rc7-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-1-686-pae (2.6.39-1); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 18:35.18 | \amethyst | gauge: python 3 is not backwards-compatible, so usually has the executable name 'python3' |
| 18:35.50 | gauge | \amethyst: thanks for that tip, apt-getting it now :D |
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| 18:36.13 | somiaj | Miesco: stable is frozen, meaning the version you have in squeeze is static, the only modifications will be secuirty updates. You can of course compile your own kernel with make-kpkg or look for backports. |
| 18:36.34 | Miesco | somiaj: When does wheezy become stable? |
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| 18:36.41 | \amethyst | gauge: hm, it's still going to break |
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| 18:37.00 | somiaj | Miesco: when its ready -- release are usually a couple of years. |
| 18:37.11 | Miesco | Okay |
| 18:37.19 | Miesco | When did squeeze come out? |
| 18:37.27 | dvs | Miesco: Feb 5 |
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| 18:37.39 | Miesco | Okay so 2012? |
| 18:37.44 | dvs | 2013 |
| 18:37.47 | gauge | \amethyst: what makes you sugest that? |
| 18:37.51 | somiaj | Miesco: though somethign like a kernel, its not to diffcult to roll your own kernel or look for a backport. Other package systems can be far more intensitve to get into stable. |
| 18:38.02 | dvs | ... |
| 18:38.17 | \amethyst | gauge: I just tried it :) |
| 18:38.22 | gauge | Ha. |
| 18:39.02 | Miesco | somiaj: So just do the build-dep kernel-2.6.38, then compile, then install the .deb? |
| 18:39.16 | Miesco | wait its in backports |
| 18:39.40 | somiaj | Miesco: for a kernel I'd either find a backport or look for compiling a kernel the debian way |
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| 18:40.19 | BSDNix | runs over the Communist Jew Richard Stallman's legs crippling him : http://tinyurl.com/cmua2q |
| 18:40.32 | BSDNix | the turns around and runs over his skull crushing it |
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| 18:40.59 | BSDNix | microsoft, the *BSDs, MacOSX and Solaris etc.. will triumph over linux |
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| 18:41.06 | Miesco | somiaj: Its in backports, i'll just install that one |
| 18:41.12 | BSDNix | uname: illegal option -- |
| 18:41.12 | BSDNix | usage: uname [-aimnoprsv] |
| 18:41.13 | somiaj | Miesco: good call. |
| 18:41.20 | BSDNix | FreeBSD blackhole.hvc.rr.com 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #2: Fri Feb 25 19:13:16 EST 2011 kevin@blackhole.hvc.rr.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ELITE i386 |
| 18:41.29 | BSDNix | linux is for mentally retarded bitches |
| 18:41.32 | BSDNix | linux will fail ! |
| 18:41.35 | BSDNix | fuck you bitches ! |
| 18:41.46 | kishy | ...lmao, wtf? |
| 18:42.00 | pipeline | I love that he boned up uname arguments in his /exec ;) |
| 18:42.28 | dvs | pays Kevin a "visit" |
| 18:42.45 | kishy | oh no...you've found another of my highlights |
| 18:43.20 | tigreton | what means if i do a: tracert 87.106.63.154 and it doesn't resolve. It can't search more than the jump nº12 |
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| 18:44.17 | Bushmills | there is no tracert in debian |
| 18:44.21 | pipeline | traceroute |
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| 18:45.26 | Bushmills | there's tracert6, and tracertstats |
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| 18:45.51 | tigreton | i'm tracing from windows to my debian server |
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| 18:46.18 | kishy | that depends on what 'jump number 12' is... |
| 18:46.27 | petemc | hop |
| 18:46.35 | kishy | well, of course |
| 18:46.37 | tigreton | the 12 is * * * |
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| 18:46.39 | tigreton | xD |
| 18:46.50 | kishy | but i mean - what is it? is that with an isp, or is that your actual router on the other end |
| 18:47.04 | CarlFK | sid squeeze lenny are what? release names? |
| 18:47.18 | tigreton | im tracing from my home to a server from 1and1 |
| 18:47.24 | tigreton | because i can ping it |
| 18:47.30 | tigreton | and i don't know why |
| 18:48.15 | tigreton | i was installing gnome in my server and disconnected from ssh |
| 18:48.19 | kishy | you can ping the domain name, but you can't tracert it...ugh, it's summer vacation, no CCNA right now. |
| 18:48.22 | tigreton | and now i can't access no more |
| 18:48.47 | tigreton | ??? i can ping a ip and tracert a ip too, no? |
| 18:49.04 | somiaj | CarlFK: correct, squeeze = stable, wheezy = testing, sid = unstable. |
| 18:49.05 | kishy | yeah, you can - but you just said you can ping the address, but you arent able to tracert it |
| 18:49.24 | kishy | which makes no sense, since...well, in order to ping it, the ping has to bounce off all those hops to get there |
| 18:49.24 | CarlFK | somiaj: thanks |
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| 18:49.40 | somiaj | CarlFK: if you search around debian.org it will explain how packages migrate though the distributions and the policys on each. |
| 18:49.50 | tigreton | nono, i can't ping the ip |
| 18:50.04 | kishy | oh...well then |
| 18:50.07 | tigreton | and that's why i was tracering it |
| 18:50.14 | tigreton | and in the hop 12... |
| 18:50.23 | kishy | i would contact the hoster and ask them if somethings up on their end |
| 18:50.49 | tigreton | it's 1and1 |
| 18:50.56 | tigreton | it's better don't ask |
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| 18:51.23 | kishy | well...if it's not responding to pings...there is literally nothing you can do remotely |
| 18:51.27 | student | hey i have a question i just install debian kfreebsd, and now i try to see if grub detect my win partition but I'm getting no luck any help? |
| 18:51.33 | CarlFK | somiaj: on top of that part, just wondering what a good shell script var is :) I am actually going with DIST=sid |
| 18:51.37 | kishy | so go break into their server farm and yank the plug, and power it back on... |
| 18:51.44 | tigreton | kishy, i can access with the serial |
| 18:51.52 | tigreton | and i can't ping anything |
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| 18:51.58 | Bushmills | they might have an alternate boot, so called rescue system |
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| 18:52.12 | somiaj | CarlFK: why do you need to put the release name in an env-variable? |
| 18:52.30 | kishy | tigreton: the serial what - how do you have a serial console if the box is not local |
| 18:52.30 | MrFrood | somiaj: #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:52.31 | somiaj | CarlFK: have you checked /etc/debian_version |
| 18:52.36 | CarlFK | somiaj: so I don't have to type it twice :) BASE= http://$HOST/debian/dists/$DIST/main/installer-$ARCH/current/images/ne tboot/debian-installer/$ARCH/linux |
| 18:53.00 | MrFrood | oops that was for Student but he's gone now :-/ |
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| 18:53.31 | Miesco | Is Changing the 2500k multiplier to 45x safe? |
| 18:54.36 | somiaj | CarlFK: afiak sid doens't have an installer and unless you want to test the testing installer I would suggest if you want a non stable distribution to install a stable base system and dist-upgrade |
| 18:54.47 | tigreton | sorry kishy |
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| 18:55.09 | tigreton | yes, i have a serial console(emergency access system??) with a serial port |
| 18:55.49 | kishy | tigreton: ah - but, where is the server? is it where you are now? (like, do you have hosting, or just domain name with 1and1) |
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| 18:55.59 | tigreton | and when i' at the server cant *1ng |
| 18:56.30 | tigreton | n6n6 5s 5n a far0 |
| 18:56.38 | tigreton | 5 have the server at 1andd1 |
| 18:56.44 | kishy | turn off numlock? |
| 18:56.55 | tigreton | sh5t 3a*t6* |
| 18:56.57 | tigreton | xD |
| 18:57.01 | buntfalke | How to automatically install all -dbg, -dev and build-dep packages, for any "normal" package being installed/ |
| 18:57.18 | buntfalke | Ain't there a matching apt-setting for that? |
| 18:57.18 | tigreton | now |
| 18:57.19 | tigreton | sorry |
| 18:57.33 | CarlFK | somiaj: it exists: http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64// |
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| 18:58.40 | tigreton | kishy, the server is at 1and1 |
| 18:58.44 | tigreton | and i can access via serial |
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| 18:59.43 | tigreton | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.49 | CarlFK | somiaj: this seems to work: https://gitorious.org/vms/vms/blobs/master/mk_sid_qcow.sh |
| 18:59.50 | tigreton | always host unrecheable |
| 19:00.38 | kishy | tigreton: ah - well, i would use your serial console to figure out what's up with your: 1) interface(s) to the network and other network connectivity settings, 2) ssh/telnet daemon(s), 3) whatever services you host on that server |
| 19:01.15 | kishy | because it seems to me that you're having some sort of connectivity issue on -that- end... |
| 19:01.24 | kishy | either that or 1and1 has a router down or something |
| 19:01.39 | jackweb | Hello again! I installed Debian testing on my netbook and when I run X.org, the touchpad and the keyboard doesn't work; someone told me to install Debian stable and upgrade it to testing - is there another way to do it? or maybe some reinstall, configure, install? |
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| 19:01.52 | Jonneh | Any reason why ALSA sound would cut out? It seems to pick back up when I logout and log back in, but then cuts out after I've opened a file or two. |
| 19:02.00 | jackweb | someone → someone from this channel |
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| 19:02.27 | roe_ | Is there a command I can run that will report what mta is installed? |
| 19:02.29 | babilen | jackweb: Please ask that question in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- You probably just need to remove /run and reboot though. |
| 19:03.21 | somiaj | jackweb: check your xorg log and see why your keyboard/mouse isn't working. I recentaly had an upgrade in sid taht required I changed my xorg.conf file. If your using a blank xorg.conf try to figure out why x isn't finding yourkeyboard/touchpad |
| 19:04.09 | Jonneh | Anyone here willing to assist with my sound problem? |
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| 19:04.51 | kishy | Jonneh: i do not know your specific hardware, or how debian is playing with it, but i used to have the same sort of symptoms on my old desktop |
| 19:05.05 | kishy | was winxp, onboard ac'97 chip, nothing special |
| 19:05.31 | kishy | seems like crappy drivers cause the sound hardwares buffers etc to overflow and misbhave |
| 19:05.33 | RichiH | are there any tools to dump the routing information for IPSec on linux? |
| 19:05.58 | Jonneh | kishy, any good way to stop it? Do I just need different sound drivers or what? |
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| 19:06.36 | kishy | Jonneh: i would say try to find other drivers if at all possible...if it fixes it, or changes the symptom, you've probably found the cause |
| 19:07.02 | kishy | if no change, put back the originals and ask on a forum somewhere...what forum, i do not know |
| 19:07.38 | kishy | it is also possible your sound hardware is Fsck'd, so to speak...but that's harder to prove |
| 19:08.17 | Jonneh | Well, its a set of usb speakers. Works FINE in ubuntu, no problems. Using ALSA usb audio module in Debian. |
| 19:08.32 | Jonneh | kishy, any thoughts on what drivers I could try using? |
| 19:08.52 | kishy | Jonneh: you'd have to ask someone else for that, i'm afraid |
| 19:08.55 | kishy | but - idea, maybe |
| 19:09.06 | kishy | it works fine in ubuntu - on the same machine, or another? |
| 19:09.30 | Jonneh | Both. |
| 19:09.39 | Jonneh | Same machine and a netbook, |
| 19:09.55 | kishy | yup - no idea then. was going to say something about a misbehaviour relating to the usb host controller |
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| 19:10.05 | Jonneh | Yea >;/ |
| 19:11.12 | kishy | yeah, sorry, i'm out of ideas lol. which is probably good, since i'm going afk for late lunch...good luck |
| 19:11.41 | Jonneh | Haha, thanks kishy . Have a good lunch. >;] |
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| 19:13.35 | Jonneh | How would one go about identifying the drivers that ubuntu would be using for a device? |
| 19:13.47 | Jonneh | That I might port them over to Debian. |
| 19:14.49 | babilen | Jonneh: "lspci -k" or "lspci -knn" |
| 19:15.05 | Jonneh | babilen, Thank you, I'll try that out. >;] |
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| 19:18.35 | wols_ | Jonneh: it's all linux. ubuntu isn't writing drivers themselves |
| 19:18.40 | tigreton | kishy, u said: 1) interface(s) to the network and other network connectivity setting |
| 19:18.45 | tigreton | it's all like default |
| 19:18.50 | tigreton | and i get the ip from the dhcp |
| 19:19.00 | Jonneh | wols_, no but they sure as hell like to change methodology sometimes. |
| 19:19.05 | tigreton | so i don't know what error is |
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| 19:41.33 | _ARMA_ | sorry, but how to un-install a font on Debian? |
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| 19:42.24 | somiaj | _ARMA_: what is it your trying to do. you can remove a font package, but if its a core font you don't want to just remove the font. |
| 19:42.54 | _ARMA_ | somiaj: I think it's not a font package, Inconsolata.ttf |
| 19:43.04 | _ARMA_ | it's not looking good, not smooth. |
| 19:43.27 | somiaj | _ARMA_: so tell your program to use a different font. You shouldn't have to just remove it |
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| 19:43.47 | _ARMA_ | :) |
| 19:43.49 | somiaj | _ARMA_: where is this font located? |
| 19:43.54 | _ARMA_ | where is /fonts folder? |
| 19:44.29 | _ARMA_ | i don't know, i just opened it when i downloaded with Font Viewer and there was a Install Font link there. |
| 19:44.42 | somiaj | _ARMA_: I am not finding that font name in any debian pacakge. So I have no clue how you got it on your system. |
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| 19:45.19 | somiaj | _ARMA_: font viewer? where did you get this from? |
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| 19:45.23 | ronny | hi |
| 19:45.36 | _ARMA_ | i guess that was the name. |
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| 19:46.04 | _ARMA_ | somiaj: Debian can open .ttf files with something like that, Font Viewer. |
| 19:46.09 | _ARMA_ | am i wrong? bah. |
| 19:46.09 | ronny | since a update my intel hda soundcard started to have issues, creating weird sounds sometimes, and skype/pidgin getting really bad audio io |
| 19:46.26 | ronny | anyone got suggestions on figuring the cause? |
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| 19:47.53 | _ARMA_ | somiaj: where Debian locates installed fonts? |
| 19:48.04 | knopper1 | Is alioth.debian.org dead, or is it just me? |
| 19:48.28 | babilen | knopper1: Scheduled downtime -- http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2011/05/msg00000.html |
| 19:48.48 | Jonneh | how do I get lspci to list usb devices? |
| 19:49.09 | babilen | Jonneh: You would use "lsusb" :) |
| 19:49.28 | knopper1 | babilen: Thanks. |
| 19:49.43 | babilen | knopper1: No problem, Herr Knopper :) |
| 19:50.42 | Jonneh | babilen, thanks. Doesn't seem to be showing these usb speakers for some reason though. |
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| 19:54.31 | simonlnu | usb speakers? o_O |
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| 19:54.42 | Jonneh | yes |
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| 19:55.20 | simonlnu | thy'll stick anything on a usb, won't they. |
| 19:55.22 | dvs | simonlnu: Yes, they exist. USB speakers are like their own audio cards. |
| 19:55.30 | jelly-home | usb audio card with speakers attached |
| 19:55.37 | simonlnu | ah |
| 19:55.43 | Jonneh | I agree, I prefer my audio over eigth inch, and analog in the least, but my friends audio card is busted so usb. |
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| 19:55.56 | jelly-home | my monitor is an usb audio card (with just a microphone) |
| 19:56.04 | dvs | wonders how much volume a person can get out of a USB port |
| 19:56.05 | Jonneh | haha |
| 19:56.07 | nubcake | usb paper towels which suck fluids directly into the usb port... OH SNAP... |
| 19:56.08 | jelly-home | s/an/a/ |
| 19:56.14 | babilen | and you typically have to come up with an asoundrc or tinker with the module options for them to grab index 0 |
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| 19:56.46 | Jonneh | So these usb speakers are fine in ubuntu, but seem to be overflowing on debian and they need alsa to reboot after a while. How do I identify what ubuntu is using that debian isn't? |
| 19:56.51 | dvs | Jonneh: If his internal audio is busted, I'd buy a PCI audio card. |
| 19:56.56 | babilen | which is a hassle if you want to use usb headsets and pci cards at the same time |
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| 19:57.13 | Jonneh | dvs, I agree, but he's already got the usb speakers. We're not spending more money. |
| 19:57.16 | babilen | Jonneh: overflowing? |
| 19:57.46 | Jonneh | babilen, well, they just cut out after about 2 episode of anything. Once we open the third, goodbye audio. Fixes by restarting alsa. |
| 19:57.59 | Jonneh | Ubuntu doesn't have the problem, so I assumed it was a difference in driver or something. |
| 19:58.05 | Jonneh | How do I identify that? |
| 19:58.21 | babilen | brb |
| 19:58.22 | simonlnu | different kernel, possibly patched for it. |
| 19:58.38 | babilen | PA might also influence that behaviour |
| 19:58.48 | Jonneh | PA? |
| 19:58.48 | simonlnu | you'd have to compare .... yes |
| 19:58.55 | simonlnu | pulseaudio |
| 19:58.59 | Jonneh | ah yea |
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| 19:59.05 | Jonneh | we installed pulseaudio... |
| 19:59.12 | Jonneh | but haven't done anything to configure it. lol |
| 19:59.26 | simonlnu | it "auto-configures" |
| 19:59.27 | Jonneh | just set up the .asoundrc to point to the speakers. |
| 19:59.46 | simonlnu | pa and alsa don't play nice |
| 19:59.50 | Jonneh | Oh. |
| 19:59.53 | simonlnu | don't always play* |
| 19:59.56 | Jonneh | They do on ubuntu. lol |
| 20:00.06 | Jonneh | Anything we might have to play with? |
| 20:00.12 | simonlnu | again, patches. no idea. |
| 20:00.13 | _ARMA_ | i have a weird sound when shutting down the Debian. is it Debian's shutdown sound or ? |
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| 20:00.47 | simonlnu | debian doesn't use "shutdown sounds" |
| 20:01.02 | dvs | GNOME or KDE does |
| 20:01.06 | dvs | not debian |
| 20:01.12 | simonlnu | yep |
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| 20:01.32 | lapsusbrutus | Im going to buy a keyboard and I dont have any special preference for one type.. What would be the fastest keyboards to type on generally speaking.. Thinking of trying dvorak too.. but if i can find a great piece of hardware, what the keys say, isnt very important. Anyone have some good advice? |
| 20:01.33 | _ARMA_ | dvs: you have the same? DAAAT! sound when closing? :) |
| 20:01.37 | Miesco_ | What do I do again to get nvidia-graphics-drivers from wheezy |
| 20:01.48 | Miesco_ | I thought it was 'aptitude build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers' |
| 20:01.54 | wols_ | lapsusbrutus: ##hardware |
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| 20:02.02 | dvs | _ARMA_: no, in KDE I get the same start and end tones. |
| 20:02.11 | wols_ | !tell Miesco_ about ssb |
| 20:02.14 | _ARMA_ | heh, it's GNOME with me. |
| 20:02.16 | _ARMA_ | okie. |
| 20:02.27 | babilen | _ARMA_: You can configure that |
| 20:02.47 | _ARMA_ | go on please babilen. :) |
| 20:02.55 | Jonneh | simonlnu, any thoughts on what might be wrong? |
| 20:03.07 | babilen | _ARMA_: Look in the gnome-control-center ... If you can't find it let me know and I'll have a look "sound" or so |
| 20:03.29 | babilen | _ARMA_: Look for "system sounds" or something like that. I don't use Gnome and wanted to take a short break anyway :) |
| 20:04.37 | _ARMA_ | babilen: there is PC Beep sound on System/Prefrences/Sound but it's already 0% |
| 20:05.11 | babilen | Jonneh: There are various things to try. I would have a long look at "cat /proc/asound/cards" and probably come up with a /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc that looks a bit like http://paste.debian.net/117671/ ... |
| 20:05.26 | tigreton | well, must go, ty all |
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| 20:05.36 | babilen | _ARMA_: No, you can configure sound effects for certain events ... give me a few minutes and I'll try to hunt it down. |
| 20:05.48 | _ARMA_ | k. |
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| 20:06.23 | Jonneh | babilen, did that yesterday, and we've got a nice default.device type config that points it to the speakers. And they work. But after about an hour or two, they cut out until we reboot Alsa. |
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| 20:06.46 | babilen | Jonneh: Looking at the settings in "pavucontrol" is probably also a good idea as would be setting the default output device in Gnome and whatever applications you use |
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| 20:07.17 | Quibus | hi all |
| 20:07.31 | babilen | Jonneh: Not sure, intermittent errors are hard to debug, might be a different kernel version (and therefore different module version) -- Which kernel do you use on Debian and on Ubuntu? |
| 20:07.32 | Quibus | Something is eating a lot of CPU time, but top doesn't tell me what... |
| 20:07.54 | wols_ | Quibus: pressed "C" (notice the case)= |
| 20:07.56 | babilen | Quibus: How do you know that something is eating CPU time in that case? |
| 20:08.01 | Quibus | I see 2 CPU's with about 40% usage, but top doesn't show anything special |
| 20:08.18 | Quibus | the top 2 processes in top show only 1PU |
| 20:08.24 | Quibus | the top 2 processes in top show only 1 % CPU |
| 20:08.30 | Quibus | (yikes) |
| 20:08.31 | babilen | ok, brb |
| 20:08.56 | Quibus | But also shows that 70% of the 400% is used |
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| 20:09.14 | MrFrood | Quibus: ps -aux |
| 20:09.14 | Jonneh | ubuntu: 2.6.35.28-generic debian: 2.6.32-5-amd64 (the ubuntu desktop was the amd64 as well, but I don't know version since its reformatted to debian) |
| 20:09.19 | Jonneh | babilen, ^ |
| 20:09.20 | Quibus | CPUs are also a bit hot |
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| 20:09.40 | Quibus | MrFrood: yes, that lists all processes, but then what? |
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| 20:10.02 | MrFrood | Quibus: should also show cpu usage |
| 20:10.19 | Quibus | it does, but it's all very small numbers |
| 20:10.28 | Quibus | most are 0.0, highest is 0.6 |
| 20:10.44 | Quibus | (and that is X) |
| 20:11.06 | MrFrood | Quibus: what is showing 40% ? |
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| 20:11.19 | Quibus | top at the CPU usage stats |
| 20:11.35 | Quibus | also my load meter applet shows a continuous usage of that amount |
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| 20:13.42 | MrFrood | is top showing all users? |
| 20:13.58 | Quibus | yeah |
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| 20:14.06 | Quibus | as by default |
| 20:14.08 | babilen | what about htop? |
| 20:14.19 | Quibus | I'm now running chkrootkit |
| 20:14.19 | MrFrood | likes htop |
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| 20:15.22 | phogg | obviously someone made a typo while trying to spell thop |
| 20:15.33 | babilen | _ARMA_: found it? |
| 20:15.38 | Quibus | chkrootkit says: |
| 20:15.44 | Quibus | You have 1 process hidden for ps command |
| 20:15.44 | Quibus | chkproc: Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed |
| 20:15.44 | babilen | !paste |
| 20:15.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:15.55 | Quibus | is that bad? |
| 20:15.57 | babilen | ah, ok :) |
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| 20:16.57 | Quibus | so, htop shows not so much |
| 20:17.00 | Quibus | itself at the top |
| 20:17.02 | Quibus | then X |
| 20:17.05 | Quibus | then xchat |
| 20:17.34 | Quibus | basically, the same info as top |
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| 20:17.56 | Quibus | so, wth is eating that CPU time :( |
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| 20:18.51 | Quibus | I suspect the kernel |
| 20:18.57 | Quibus | with some USB device |
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| 20:19.33 | MrFrood | in htop press f2 and make sure it is set to show kernel threads |
| 20:21.18 | Quibus | did that |
| 20:21.21 | Quibus | still nothing |
| 20:21.40 | LiohAu | i would like to remove postgresql i tried aptitude/apt-get remove postgresql-9.0 and same thing for postgresql-8.4 but i still have lot of files |
| 20:21.59 | LiohAu | is there a way to clean more ? |
| 20:22.23 | Quibus | LiohAu: purge |
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| 20:24.08 | LiohAu | i still have a lot of files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and manpages |
| 20:24.22 | babilen | Quibus: What does "mpstat -P ALL" give you? What about "ps -eo pcpu,pid,user,args | sort -k 1 -r | head -10" ? |
| 20:24.25 | Quibus | LiohAu: did you use aptitude purge? |
| 20:24.29 | LiohAu | y |
| 20:25.13 | LiohAu | there are a lot of header files in /usr/include too, but maybe it's another package |
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| 20:25.49 | Quibus | babilen: not too much, I'll paste it in a pastebin |
| 20:25.55 | babilen | Quibus: ta! |
| 20:26.51 | Quibus | http://paste.debian.net/117675/ |
| 20:27.21 | Quibus | my loadmeter says 39% in use |
| 20:27.32 | Quibus | and CPUs are hot |
| 20:27.47 | LiohAu | Quibus: http://pastebin.com/2NqmeCtc why aren't theses files removed ? |
| 20:28.40 | roe_ | anyone know of a tool that will provide me with the whois DNS records in a slightly more scriptable format than 'whois'? |
| 20:28.43 | babilen | LiohAu: Your locate database probably doesn't reflect the actual status of the filesystem |
| 20:29.13 | Quibus | $ apt-file search postgresql-common/user_clusters |
| 20:29.13 | Quibus | postgresql-client-common: /etc/postgresql-common/user_clusters |
| 20:29.18 | Quibus | purge also that package for instance |
| 20:29.22 | LiohAu | babilen: i used updatedb |
| 20:29.26 | dawud | roe_: 'dig' maybe |
| 20:29.28 | Quibus | if already done, it's what babilen just said |
| 20:29.48 | roe_ | dig uses DNS to decipher authoritative DNS |
| 20:29.51 | roe_ | not whois records |
| 20:30.01 | Quibus | $ apt-file search usr/include/postgresql/nodes/nodes.h |
| 20:30.01 | Quibus | libpq-dev: /usr/include/postgresql/nodes/nodes.h |
| 20:30.03 | Quibus | another example |
| 20:30.17 | Quibus | babilen: so, what do you say? |
| 20:30.24 | Quibus | slash think |
| 20:30.25 | Quibus | about this |
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| 20:32.34 | babilen | Quibus: I don't see a process that monopolises the CPU or uses it a lot :) |
| 20:32.44 | Quibus | it's still happening |
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| 20:33.02 | Quibus | I do see stuff like this: May 22 22:27:52 sonata kernel: [46327.952020] usb 1-5: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 |
| 20:33.33 | Quibus | I have been copying from a bad CD-ROm |
| 20:33.49 | Quibus | my messages/kern.log is full of error messages on 'sr1' |
| 20:35.46 | Quibus | well, if no one has an idea, I'll just turn this off and hope it won't occur anymore :S |
| 20:35.55 | babilen | such as? sr1 is probably your cd/dvd drive (or one of them) |
| 20:35.59 | Quibus | yeah |
| 20:36.16 | _ARMA_ | babilen: sorry, maybe we look it later. |
| 20:36.19 | _ARMA_ | thank you.. |
| 20:36.23 | _ARMA_ | & good night. |
| 20:36.25 | Quibus | stuff like: May 22 21:09:11 sonata kernel: [41606.132092] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr1] Unhandled sense code |
| 20:36.30 | zapadlo | Ok, I made a post on the forums regarding the mouse issue with details: http://tinyurl.com/3e8fbr8 |
| 20:36.31 | babilen | _ARMA_: Ok, good night :) |
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| 20:37.49 | Quibus | ah! |
| 20:37.51 | Quibus | I got it |
| 20:38.04 | Quibus | manuel 11994 1 0 20:32 ? 00:00:22 evince-thumbnailer -s 128 file:/ |
| 20:38.08 | Quibus | I killed that process |
| 20:38.15 | LiohAu | Quibus: is there a way to list all the package which are currently installed ? |
| 20:38.23 | Quibus | But why it didn'tshow up... I don't know. |
| 20:38.31 | Quibus | LiohAu: dpkg -l |
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| 20:44.50 | Quibus | well, good night |
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| 20:45.50 | babilen | zapadlo: Could you try http://paste.debian.net/117681/ (you might want to change "auto" for the driver to "mouse" as well. What do you get when you run "xinput list" ? |
| 20:46.04 | babilen | ) |
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| 20:47.41 | zapadlo | babilen Don't have xinput :) |
| 20:48.17 | zapadlo | Getting it |
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| 20:49.39 | zapadlo | babilen http://paste.debian.net/117682/ |
| 20:50.01 | babilen | zapadlo: Ah, so it really is a trackball :) |
| 20:50.30 | babilen | zapadlo: Ok, what does 'xinput query-state "Logitech USB Trackball"' give you? |
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| 20:52.12 | zapadlo | babilen Yes, I was trying to come off cool :) http://paste.debian.net/117685/ |
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| 20:52.23 | zapadlo | wasn't* |
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| 20:55.41 | babilen | zapadlo: What about 'xinput list-props "Logitech USB Trackball"'? |
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| 20:55.54 | LiohAu | when i try to "apt-get install python-setuptools", it says that the package needs "python-pkg-resources" and then it stop saying broken package |
| 20:56.41 | babilen | LiohAu: Don't use setuptools, but distribute ... please read "/msg dpkg bat" and provide all requested information in a pastebin. thank you :) |
| 20:57.06 | zapadlo | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/117686/ |
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| 20:57.54 | babilen | zapadlo: Ok, does 'xinput --set-prop "Logitech USB Trackball" "Evdev Middle Button Emulation" 1' enable the desired behaviour? |
| 20:58.19 | LiohAu | babilen: i'm trying to follow this HowTo: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d1jWy2Qk2Ymvj3F7Sx0R_1F7YraO2gdk8JGv1GShnYM/edit?hl=en&authkey=CJrYxAw&pli=1# |
| 20:59.11 | zapadlo | babilen *heavy sigh* Yes, it does |
| 20:59.19 | zapadlo | babilen Thank you so much |
| 20:59.58 | zapadlo | How do I make this permanent? |
| 21:00.06 | babilen | zapadlo: Hang on ... We've only verified that it is working. Could you now try the file I pasted earlier and see if the property is set automatically. Please also read "man evdev" and "man 5 xorg.conf" the latter about "InputClass" |
| 21:00.35 | zapadlo | babilen Ok, br back after I read it |
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| 21:00.54 | babilen | zapadlo: You have to fix your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-mouse.conf to work ... I would suggest to go the InputClass + MatchIsPointer way as detailed in my paste. driver is probably "evdev" or "auto" |
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| 21:01.35 | zapadlo | babilen Probably 'auto' I tried 'evdev' |
| 21:01.40 | babilen | zapadlo: You might want to add additional match clasuses, such as MatchProduct though, so that you only configure it for the logitech trackball |
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| 21:02.18 | babilen | zapadlo: The major difference if "inputdevice" vs "inputclass" + "MatchIsPointer" please try what I've pasted and also change "auto" to "evdev" in there |
| 21:02.35 | babilen | s/if/is |
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| 21:02.48 | vatzec | Hey, guys. :-) Does Debian "recommend" non-free software? Such as IceWeasel recommending the installation of Flash or Sun Java when pages try want them? |
| 21:02.54 | zapadlo | Ok, will report in a minute |
| 21:03.10 | vatzec | And, if it does offer Java, does it offer OpenJDK, or rather the Sun build? |
| 21:03.11 | babilen | zapadlo: Sure, take your time. I'll be back in a minute :) |
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| 21:03.41 | vatzec | s/offer/recommend/ |
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| 21:04.30 | zapadlo | vatzec I just read a comment posted 'few seconds ago' on identi.ca :) |
| 21:04.41 | zapadlo | Talking about this |
| 21:04.45 | vatzec | Oh :-) |
| 21:05.04 | zapadlo | @tekk, & I'd say that !Debian supporting the use of contrib/non-free is at very !problematic but doesn't cross to !disturbing territory. |
| 21:05.40 | vatzec | zapadlo: I can't find it :( |
| 21:05.55 | zapadlo | Posted by bkuhn |
| 21:06.08 | zapadlo | Sorry, its probably OT to what you were asking about |
| 21:06.17 | zapadlo | gtg restart X, sorry |
| 21:06.31 | __cerberus | guys anyone know how to setup static (secondary) loopback on boot? /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:06.39 | __cerberus | ipv6 |
| 21:06.39 | vatzec | Hehe, OK :) |
| 21:06.49 | babilen | LiohAu: Ah, pray continue. I thought you package a Python module yourself. |
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| 21:07.22 | somiaj | __cerberus: yes you can put static interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces -- you need an auto line to have it brought up at boot via the init network scripts. |
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| 21:08.21 | __cerberus | somiaj: it doesnt work for the loopback, i have done it with eth0 (dual stack ipv4/ipv6) but cant on loopback |
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| 21:09.37 | zapadlo | vatzec Did you find it? |
| 21:09.46 | zapadlo | Seems to be actually quite on topic |
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| 21:11.35 | babilen | zapadlo: and? |
| 21:11.39 | ner0x | is there a place I can see a working sources.list of a testing machine? |
| 21:11.57 | babilen | ner0x: Paste yours and I'll edit it :) |
| 21:12.02 | babilen | (paste.debian.net) |
| 21:12.11 | ner0x | I'm on my desktop, it's for my laptop. :-/ |
| 21:12.32 | zapadlo | ner0x I can in a min |
| 21:12.59 | zapadlo | babilen It works :) but with X restart I have lost my 'homework', mine repasting? |
| 21:13.00 | babilen | ner0x: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 21:13.16 | babilen | zapadlo: You want me to do your homework? |
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| 21:13.40 | babilen | ner0x: Replace uk with whatever is applicable |
| 21:13.51 | zapadlo | ner0x http://paste.debian.net/117689/ |
| 21:14.14 | zapadlo | babilen No no, the links you gave me to read, I lost them with X restart |
| 21:14.21 | __cerberus | auto lo:0, iface lo:0 inet static, address 192.168.1.1, netmask 255.255.255.255 works |
| 21:14.21 | babilen | zapadlo: hang on |
| 21:14.32 | vatzec | zapadlo: Yeah, but it doesn't really answer my questions :( |
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| 21:14.51 | vatzec | But it seems, from a bit of googling, that Debian doesn't recommend non-free software and only includes it in the non-free and contrib repos |
| 21:14.54 | __cerberus | auto lo:0, iface lo:1, iface lo:1 inet6 static, address fc00:1::1, netmask 128 doesnt work |
| 21:14.55 | babilen | ner0x: Ok, use only the *official* repositories in zapadlo's link and wheezy/update is not used now |
| 21:14.56 | __cerberus | any idea? |
| 21:15.03 | __cerberus | sorry |
| 21:15.08 | __cerberus | auto lo:1, iface lo:1, iface lo:1 inet6 static, address fc00:1::1, netmask 128 doesnt work |
| 21:15.09 | somiaj | __cerberus: seems as if the loopback method defines the ipv4 loopback only, so you'll have have a full static ip definition for it. http://www.lugwash.org/linux-users/200702/0162.html seems to answer your question, but it doesn't give the interfaces syntax. |
| 21:15.45 | simonlnu | man interfaces |
| 21:16.01 | simonlnu | syntax, restracitions, options, etc. |
| 21:16.07 | __cerberus | somiajL: but manually works |
| 21:16.10 | simonlnu | restric* |
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| 21:16.33 | __cerberus | i have tryied man interfaces, doesnt help |
| 21:16.34 | zapadlo | babilen So 'update' repos don't actually don't do anythig anymore? |
| 21:16.48 | babilen | zapadlo: I mentioned "man 4 xorg.conf" about InputClass and "man evdev" before.... do you mean that? |
| 21:16.58 | babilen | zapadlo: Not right now |
| 21:17.14 | babilen | zapadlo: No harm in letting it in there though |
| 21:17.18 | zapadlo | babilen Yes, and Also Match something to apply the rules only to logitech |
| 21:18.39 | babilen | zapadlo: Yeah, MatchIsPointer, MatchProduct (and others) are all discussed in "man 5 xorg.conf" |
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| 21:19.17 | zapadlo | babilen Excellent, thank you |
| 21:19.27 | babilen | zapadlo: I would guess that you want 'MatchProduct "Logitech USB Trackball"' or something like that ... |
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| 21:19.45 | babilen | zapadlo: Great that we've got it working :) |
| 21:20.16 | babilen | zapadlo: It is probably a good idea to post the solution to the forum too, so that others who stumble over that website know what to do |
| 21:20.32 | zapadlo | babilen Yep, will do |
| 21:20.59 | zapadlo | babilen I usually try resolve everything with manuals etc, but I can't live without copy/paste |
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| 21:21.59 | babilen | zapadlo: hehe |
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| 21:23.57 | somiaj | __cerberus: I was able to set up a loopback interface just fine with a iface lo:2 inet static line followed by the options. Then ifup lo:2, ifdown lo:2 etc brought that loopback up and down. |
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| 21:26.50 | webad_13 | when I issue the following command: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o nls=utf8,fmask=0113,dmask=0002 /dev/sdb2 /mnt/sdb2 the sdb2 is mounted but permissions are: drwxrwxr-x root root ... I am not getting it, could someone explain |
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| 21:28.54 | __cerberus | somiaj: with inet ok, i need inet6 |
| 21:29.31 | __cerberus | somiaj: just realised that neither manualy works |
| 21:29.41 | zapadlo | webad_13 I found this quite useful: http://tinyurl.com/3fhp4e8 |
| 21:30.03 | __cerberus | somiaj: sorry for missinformation, but i am configuring a lab 10 hours now :) |
| 21:30.12 | somiaj | __cerberus: I just cannot test inet6 on this machie as I don't have it compiled in my kernel. |
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| 21:30.59 | __cerberus | as said above, loopback interfaces in debian dont support ipv6 |
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| 21:32.47 | Bushmills | webad_13: dmask is what the name says: a mask. each set bit is takes the corresponding privilege away. so with 0002, you took world write away. |
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| 21:33.29 | joe6 | i posted this to the #nouveau and #intel-gfx without much response |
| 21:33.34 | joe6 | i have nouveau drivers for my graphics card output geForce6200. I cannot see how I can use the onboard VGA too? My lspci output is: http://sprunge.us/SIhP |
| 21:33.44 | joe6 | i had to have the kernel parameter agp=off when starting up the kernel in the grub prompt. Without that option, I get a blank screen. |
| 21:33.53 | joe6 | any suggestions on how I can use the onboard vga? |
| 21:34.03 | joe6 | the unfortunate sideeffect of having that option is that I see this in my dmesg: [ 7.924816] [drm:i915_init] *ERROR* drm/i915 can't work without intel_agp module! |
| 21:34.17 | un214 | tried vesa yet? |
| 21:34.29 | joe6 | un214, how do I do that? |
| 21:34.45 | un214 | the way I got it to work was to remove all other xservers |
| 21:34.59 | un214 | there's got to be a better way but I don't know it |
| 21:35.20 | streuner_ | hands un214 a TM |
| 21:35.22 | joe6 | i do not have any other xservers running. |
| 21:35.28 | joe6 | what is a TM? |
| 21:35.38 | streuner_ | trademark? |
| 21:35.58 | joe6 | un214: how did you remove the xservers? |
| 21:36.08 | bman | BadThing (TM) |
| 21:36.36 | joe6 | un214: this is my ps -aef output : http://sprunge.us/XCfK |
| 21:36.40 | un214 | I removed all other packages matching xserver-xorg-* except xserver-xorg-vesa |
| 21:36.58 | joe6 | un214: oh, you meant the packages |
| 21:37.19 | joe6 | un214: how about the nouveau package as my graphics card is using it |
| 21:37.33 | joe6 | or, did you enable it after you got the onboard vga working ? |
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| 21:37.35 | un214 | that's the one that was breaking on my system |
| 21:38.23 | joe6 | so, what driver are you using for the graphics card? |
| 21:38.26 | un214 | vesa |
| 21:38.34 | un214 | vgaconsole |
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| 21:38.51 | joe6 | un214: that is interesting. |
| 21:39.02 | joe6 | can you please post your lspci -vv output? |
| 21:39.04 | un214 | someone please have a better idea for joe6 |
| 21:39.22 | un214 | joe6: I have a damaged nvidia card that corrupts system RAM |
| 21:39.27 | joe6 | un214, if it works, yours could be the best idea I have had so far in the last few days. |
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| 21:40.05 | un214 | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 21:40.39 | joe6 | un214: can you please paste the whole output, so I can see the driver being used. |
| 21:40.50 | joe6 | un214: and also your xorg.conf, if you do not mind. |
| 21:41.06 | joe6 | un214: please? you seem to be the only one who could get this setup to work. |
| 21:41.12 | un214 | I don't have an xorg.conf |
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| 21:41.29 | joe6 | un214, cool, everything is detected automatically? |
| 21:41.31 | un214 | you know vesa is a userspace driver right? |
| 21:41.41 | un214 | it's what X will use if it can't find any other |
| 21:41.55 | joe6 | un214, how about the /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 21:42.01 | un214 | but you need echo 'alias fbcon off' >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 21:42.20 | joe6 | un214, I have no idea about vesa. But, if it works, I am willing to learn about it. |
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| 21:43.41 | un214 | wow that file's bigger than my scrollback buffer |
| 21:43.41 | webad_13 | Bushmills: so dmask=0113 and fmask=0002 translates to 664 permisions? or I need to research this a bit more |
| 21:43.59 | webad_13 | zapadlo: thank you for the link it was usefull |
| 21:44.04 | joe6 | un214, how about pastebinit |
| 21:44.12 | un214 | I know |
| 21:44.18 | un214 | it's bigger than my shell buffer |
| 21:44.26 | zapadlo | webad_13 No probs, was reading it myself earlier today |
| 21:44.48 | Bushmills | webad_13: how could that give 664 if your permissions are 775? |
| 21:45.23 | joe6 | un214, oh, ok. |
| 21:45.34 | joe6 | un214, btw, can you move windows between those monitors? |
| 21:45.48 | un214 | the file is in excess of 2000 lines |
| 21:45.53 | un214 | I have 1 monitor |
| 21:46.18 | webad_13 | Bushmills: I understood that to calculate for directories you use 777 - desiredPermissions = 0113 so that comes to be 664 |
| 21:46.23 | joe6 | i thought you had > 1 monitor. one for the graphics card output and the other for the onboard vga |
| 21:46.29 | un214 | here's the int sequence http://pastebin.com/t4qGfuDQ |
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| 21:46.41 | un214 | nope |
| 21:46.52 | webad_13 | Bushmills: or there is a better (and correct) way of thinking about it |
| 21:47.00 | Bushmills | webad_13: the "d" in dmask represents "directory" |
| 21:47.31 | webad_13 | Bushmills: yes |
| 21:47.46 | Bushmills | "mount -t ntfs-3g -o nls=utf8,fmask=0113,dmask=0002 /dev/sdb2 /mnt/sdb2" |
| 21:48.07 | webad_13 | omg |
| 21:48.17 | webad_13 | Bushmills: sorry, I don't know my own code |
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| 22:07.20 | Wrynn | Hi, I've just freshly installed Debian testing and my network doesn't seem to be configured. It worked fine during installation (to fetch packages) but now I get 'network is unreachable' for most pings. |
| 22:07.47 | Wrynn | Figured it might be because I'm using a Broadcom NetXtreme network adapter, so I installed the non-free firmware. |
| 22:07.50 | Wrynn | Still no dice. |
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| 22:08.07 | Wrynn | Also made sure to modprobe tg3 and it seems to be loaded at boot, but I still can't get a connection. |
| 22:08.12 | Wrynn | What could be the problem? |
| 22:08.20 | babilen | Wrynn: Please ask in #debian-next which is the channel for wheezy/sid users. Might be due to udev problems with /run -- Please delete that and reboot. |
| 22:08.38 | babilen | Wrynn: Ah, that channel is on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net |
| 22:08.51 | Wrynn | Oh, alright. |
| 22:10.01 | b0o-yeah | I have debian installed on my esxi box and wanted to shrink the partition...is there an *easy* way to do that or should I just reinstall? |
| 22:10.17 | b0o-yeah | I mean it won't take that long to reinstall so if thats the better route I am okay with that |
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| 22:11.18 | b0o-yeah | well not really partition per say but the whole HDD that debian sees ;) |
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| 22:14.30 | SmartViking | Hello do you know about some documentation for making .deb packages? |
| 22:14.43 | daemonkeeper | SmartViking: Read the new maintainers guid |
| 22:14.45 | daemonkeeper | *guide |
| 22:15.03 | daemonkeeper | b0o-yeah: As long as you don't want to do it live, chances are |
| 22:15.19 | SmartViking | daemonkeeper: ty |
| 22:15.24 | b0o-yeah | nah I can shut it down |
| 22:16.16 | daemonkeeper | You may want to try parted then (usual disclaimer: make backups first, don't try it on a mounted file system) |
| 22:16.51 | b0o-yeah | oh like boot with a live cd and then run parted to shrink it down? |
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| 22:17.19 | ronny | hi |
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| 22:17.42 | daemonkeeper | From wherever you can access the disk image, the host system would work as well, but I guess you can't install parted on the ESXi host |
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| 22:18.04 | ronny | anyone got a suggestion for setting up propper sound support for multiple x11 users logged in at once? |
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| 22:18.18 | ronny | i have no idea what to google for |
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| 22:19.11 | b0o-yeah | daemonkeeper: alright thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 22:19.24 | nvz | google for how I create a 512x512px image with a 1px or so wide boarder color on the top and left edges |
| 22:19.35 | nvz | heh |
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| 22:22.56 | nvz | I need that to test 3d vectors.. :-P |
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| 22:31.05 | nvz | echo |
| 22:31.12 | nvz | marco? |
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| 22:31.50 | nvz | goes to stroke two lines with imagemagick like it was a hard thing to do |
| 22:33.52 | webad_13 | I would like to be able to copy paste in console without using the mouse (gpm)... is this possible... someting like visual selection in vim? |
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| 22:34.28 | MrFrood | webad_13: use gnu screen |
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| 22:34.30 | thewanderer1 | ronny: you can use a system-wide PulseAudio instance and connect to it |
| 22:34.33 | nvz | webad_13: aptitude install screen |
| 22:34.59 | webad_13 | ok, so everyone is saying screen - thank you |
| 22:35.30 | nvz | pulse audio is one of those things like the atom bomb.. could be useful for numerous applications, but is never a good f'n idea |
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| 22:36.11 | ronny | thewanderer1: know a howto, i messed up in finding one? |
| 22:37.07 | webad_13 | MrFrood: can I also use it to copy paste from w3m? |
| 22:37.21 | nvz | there are lots of how-to-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-with-pulseaudio documents out there.. heh |
| 22:37.39 | MrFrood | yes if you run w3m inside screen |
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| 22:38.22 | thewanderer1 | ronny: not really, look in the documentation that came with the package in /usr/share/doc |
| 22:38.31 | babilen | webad_13: tmux is worth a look too |
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| 22:40.02 | MrFrood | waits for someone to mention dvtm |
| 22:40.06 | valdyn | ronny: theres not alot to do: set pa to run systemwide in /etc/default/pulseaudio , set apps to use pa |
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| 22:40.22 | nvz | haha |
| 22:40.41 | nvz | you make it sound so innocent |
| 22:40.59 | nvz | as if apps all play nice with PA |
| 22:41.10 | valdyn | nvz: about all but skype and flash do |
| 22:41.20 | valdyn | nvz: about all in common usage that is |
| 22:41.25 | Edge226 | is there a virtual box package for debian? I am just installing it via virtual box and it will probably run horribly because of my hardware. That aside I plan on (possibly) using it as my main Operating system to do virtual machines and the core stuff. Run mac osx and a version of windows in the vboxes. |
| 22:41.33 | nvz | depends on what you define as common usage |
| 22:41.49 | valdyn | but im probably out of date there, skype might just support pa iirc |
| 22:41.55 | nvz | I use virtualbox, virtual world viewers, playstation emulators, crossover.. etc |
| 22:42.01 | thewanderer1 | Edge226: yes, there is. |
| 22:42.28 | valdyn | the wine pa patch is still not included? |
| 22:42.32 | nvz | there have been vast improvements in PA over the years but it still doesnt work the way it says it does |
| 22:42.40 | Edge226 | kk cool, I normally run archlinux however I have had certain issues and I think something that isnt as bleeding edge would suit my needs more. Debian is known for being very stable. |
| 22:42.52 | valdyn | nvz: id say "it" does, but your apps don't |
| 22:43.41 | nvz | thats one of those things that is a little of both |
| 22:44.03 | Edge226 | nvz what hardware are you running, how well do your VM's run. If there is slowdown is it noticable? |
| 22:44.06 | nvz | cause there are things in PA that are suppose to make everything translate to alsa or use a PA wrapper so it should work in any case |
| 22:44.08 | bassliner | hello, immediately after install my system hangs at the login screen, i can still access the box via ssh tho, but local on the system i can't even switch to a tty. any help? |
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| 22:44.47 | nvz | Edge226: I only use a single windows xp VM very seldomly to test things on windows |
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| 22:45.17 | nvz | and as long as you have a processor made in the last 10 years and enough ram to cover host and guest, its fine |
| 22:45.29 | webad_13 | babilen: does screen still requre a patch for vertical split... in tmux it is there by default right? |
| 22:45.35 | Edge226 | nvz I may run this box as a hackintosh if I like the mac software, but I think using a VM would suit my needs better. |
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| 22:46.05 | valdyn | webad_13: does not need a patch |
| 22:46.07 | Edge226 | nvz so with a i5 2500k and 6g ram I should be peachy. |
| 22:46.36 | nvz | Edge226: depends, is windows vista or 7 involved? haha |
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| 22:46.59 | nvz | those are like the minimum requirements for windows these days |
| 22:47.03 | Edge226 | nvz was planning on going the xp route cuz I do not like vista or 7. |
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| 22:48.44 | nvz | Edge226: idk I hate windows in general, and if I personally cant do it in linux or crossover I dont do it at all.. but since my machines all came with XP I move the OS into VB just to have it for those rare occasions. Recently I've been thinking of using it to document setting up a server I'm working with on windows |
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| 22:49.34 | Edge226 | nvz I just want it for games if I feel like playing PC games. |
| 22:49.48 | rypervenche | nvz: You da man! |
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| 22:51.05 | Edge226 | unfortunately there is not a lot of linux support for games out there, its better being able to run them native on something that has practically nothing installed and is not used as a main machine but something that just has its specific purpose. |
| 22:51.36 | Edge226 | dual boot is nice but then you lose uptime. |
| 22:52.08 | nvz | Edge226: well VB isn't that good for games... I use crossover, dosbox and such for that |
| 22:52.11 | babilen | webad_13: not sure and yes |
| 22:52.18 | daemonkeeper | Really, who cares about uptime? |
| 22:52.35 | Edge226 | nvz I've used play on linux successfully in the past but it really depends on the game with that software. |
| 22:52.47 | daemonkeeper | Go and safe some trees instead, when you don't use your computer, all other times you can reboot into Windows to play your games. |
| 22:52.50 | thewanderer1 | Edge226: want to impress your friends with uptime? hibernate, boot into Windows, reboot, get back and enjoy your 3-month uptime :P |
| 22:53.20 | webad_13 | valdyn: so how do I split two screens vertically ... C-a | ? |
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| 22:53.34 | nvz | thewanderer1: haha ;) |
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| 22:53.43 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Or add a random integer to a single kernel variable, simple as that. |
| 22:54.13 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: no, that's cheating, lol |
| 22:54.26 | Edge226 | thewanderer1, so is your way. |
| 22:54.32 | thewanderer1 | hence the lol :P |
| 22:54.37 | valdyn | webad_13: yes |
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| 22:55.02 | rypervenche | nvz: I use scummvm for dos games. Easier to use than dosbox |
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| 22:55.51 | thewanderer1 | but really, hardly anything can beat a bare-metal Windows for gaming on a PC. treat it like a dedicated gaming console or something if it makes you feel better... |
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| 22:56.44 | Edge226 | hmmm $22 for crossover, do you find it worth it, very good compatibility? |
| 22:56.45 | daemonkeeper | or get a video game console, it has vastly the same games anyway. |
| 22:56.54 | MrFrood | webad_13: inho screen does not handel split screens in a pretty way so when split screens are prefable I use dvtm running inside screen |
| 22:57.07 | daemonkeeper | Edge226: There is a large data base with supported games on their home page. |
| 22:57.15 | ZitZ | Well if you really want a dedicated gaming platform then get a console |
| 22:57.56 | thewanderer1 | that too (funny how PS3 has 256MB of RAM, and Windows games often eat up 4GB of memory) |
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| 22:58.02 | skamikaze | Edge226: wine appdb + playonlinux |
| 22:58.04 | webad_13 | MrFrood: in fact I am getting everything on the left side of my monitor... nothing is showed on the right side? is it that I am doing sth wrong |
| 22:58.06 | skamikaze | => all you need |
| 22:58.08 | martianlobster | is there some way I can find out how often the task scheduler in the kernel iterates? |
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| 22:58.35 | thewanderer1 | martianlobster: I would ask in #kernel if I were you |
| 22:58.39 | jhutchins_lt | martianlobster: cron/anacron usually have one minute resolution. |
| 22:58.44 | Edge226 | daemonkeeper I have a wii, I prefer a real controller. I have a PS3, they got hacked and I dont want to use the thing anymore. I wont get a 360 because I worked in a call center for them and its just garbage. where does that leave me? PC. PC games have more options and functionality anyways. |
| 22:58.45 | MrFrood | webad_13: did you split the screen? |
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| 22:58.53 | martianlobster | ok thanks guys |
| 22:59.05 | SparFux | Hi! When plugging in my usb mobile phone or a usb stick ,I get no more dmesg'es and there is no more /dev/sdc to mount. What can I do? I am on debian sid, 2.6.38-2-amd64 |
| 22:59.16 | jhutchins_lt | Gentlemen, could the non-debian gaming discussion perhaps move to #debian-offtopic or somewhere more appropriate? |
| 22:59.38 | Edge226 | SparFux ls /dev/sd* |
| 22:59.42 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: Debian is not a gaming platform?!? |
| 22:59.53 | webad_13 | MrFrood: I did screen w3m www.google.com, then in screen I did C-a |, and then C-a c to create a new one |
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| 23:00.05 | SparFux | Edge226: /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdb3 I think udev would create /dev/sdc* |
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| 23:00.10 | webad_13 | MrFrood: everything is on the left side and the right side is completely blank |
| 23:00.16 | ZitZ | SparFux, what DE are you running if at all |
| 23:00.28 | webad_13 | I am in tty if that makes any difference |
| 23:00.40 | jhutchins_lt | webad_13: Sounds like your horizontal sync is wrong. |
| 23:00.50 | SparFux | ZitZ: I am not running any desktop. But there is udisks installed. |
| 23:01.13 | Edge226 | Sparfux is this an android device? |
| 23:01.18 | Qation | Hey guys, I uninstalled gdm3 from my debian computer and now the network manager applet isn't showing up in my system tray at all. It shows it was loaded on the startup but i can't use it |
| 23:01.22 | jhutchins_lt | webad_13: Run xvidtune in an xterm. |
| 23:01.26 | ZitZ | Alright, what file manager? |
| 23:01.29 | SparFux | ZitZ: udisks-daemon is running. And I think it should be discovered as normal usb stick. |
| 23:01.35 | Qation | Was gdm3 loading network manager or something? |
| 23:01.35 | webad_13 | JulienBussi: not using x |
| 23:01.37 | MrFrood | webad_13: C-a n to switch before the C-a c |
| 23:01.42 | jhutchins_lt | webad_13: Oh, you're not in X? |
| 23:01.45 | SparFux | Edge226: no, it's a Samsung H1 and it should act as a normal usb storage device. |
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| 23:02.09 | SparFux | perhaps it's /dev/sr0 ! |
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| 23:02.41 | SparFux | no |
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| 23:02.49 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: when any USB device is plugged in, you should see something in dmesg - so no info in dmesg is, most probably, a sign of broken USB :P |
| 23:02.49 | MrFrood | webad_13: I prefer to use sreen for full screen "tabs" myself as I don't like the way it splits |
| 23:02.57 | webad_13 | JulienBussi: nope |
| 23:03.13 | SparFux | thewanderer1: oh man :-( |
| 23:03.18 | webad_13 | MrFrood: I have widescreen 1680x1050 so I'd lie to make use of it |
| 23:03.35 | ZitZ | Run this command, udisks --poll-for-media /dev/sr0 |
| 23:03.38 | webad_13 | MrFrood: still nothing |
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| 23:05.31 | jhutchins_lt | webad_13: Is your console only displaying 80 columns or something? |
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| 23:05.44 | ZitZ | sparfux, do other USB devices work |
| 23:05.48 | SparFux | thewanderer1: but the mobile says, it's connected as usb mass storage protocol device and says everything ok. |
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| 23:05.58 | SparFux | ZitZ: no storage devices, I have to admit. |
| 23:06.18 | thewanderer1 | SparFux: hmm, no storage devices work? O.o |
| 23:06.22 | Edge226 | SparFux my android phone does something similar but I have to actually click on the device to start the connection. |
| 23:06.29 | webad_13 | JulienBussi: no, it is not limited to 80 colums |
| 23:06.46 | webad_13 | JulienBussi: sorry |
| 23:06.49 | ZitZ | Sparfux, run the command I mentioned earlier and then try a flash drive |
| 23:06.49 | MrFrood | webad_13: I use dvtm to provide split screen function most of the time |
| 23:06.50 | jhutchins_lt | webad_13: Bad tab complete, just wondering what's going on. |
| 23:07.10 | MrFrood | webad_13: http://pastebin.com/01yBVVuv might help you a bit |
| 23:08.11 | webad_13 | MrFrood: will dvtm work in tty |
| 23:08.25 | SparFux | udisks --poll-for-media /dev/sr0 gives empty output |
| 23:08.36 | MrFrood | webad_13: yes, it will even work in screen |
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| 23:09.11 | SparFux | ZitZ: udisks --poll-for-media /dev/sr0 gives empty output, even for a flash drive. |
| 23:09.23 | SparFux | ah, but the flash drive is detected it seems. |
| 23:09.32 | ZitZ | Sparfux, as long as the command works it should be running a daemon that will mount your devices |
| 23:10.08 | ZitZ | Did it mount? |
| 23:10.58 | SparFux | Ah! I know. Sorry. I put in a fille /etc/udev/rules.d/11-media-by-label-auto-mount.rules which caused the trouble! Sorry! |
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| 23:11.42 | ZitZ | Yeah, I did that too, had to get rid of it as well |
| 23:11.57 | SparFux | ZitZ: that's a pity, I need it :-P |
| 23:12.27 | ZitZ | Udisks handles USB, not udev |
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| 23:13.17 | ZitZ | What do you need it for? Just get rid of the USB rules |
| 23:13.38 | SparFux | ZitZ: it's comfortable to have even luks partitions mounted automatically. |
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| 23:15.04 | SparFux | hm... but my mobile gets disconnected immediately. |
| 23:16.09 | ZitZ | The other thing I found is that it helps if you start your file manager with, dbus-launch nautilus, except pcmanfm which works fine with udisks |
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| 23:16.56 | webad_13 | MrFrood: it is C-a tab to switch :):):)... works now. btw what is an easy way to copy? I am going throught the man but it would save me some reading :):):) |
| 23:17.21 | SparFux | ZitZ: but I don't even get anything in dmesg. |
| 23:19.16 | ZitZ | I know, since hal was deprecated it seems as though no one really knows what is going on with USB, ii made it my mission yesterday to get it working and I finally did, and I never saw dmesg output either |
| 23:19.49 | SparFux | Wow. It worked without dmesg output? |
| 23:20.01 | ZitZ | I plan on doing a write up soon on what I did |
| 23:20.07 | Qation | Can anyone help me with networkmanager? I have 'managed=false' on NetworkManager.conf and only lo on my interfaces file |
| 23:20.12 | Qation | But still I can't connect to a network |
| 23:20.22 | SparFux | how do I restart the udisks-daemon? |
| 23:20.24 | Qation | I can see them available but it won't connect |
| 23:20.29 | MrFrood | webad_13: C-a tab C-a n (next) C-a p (previous) C-a number (straight to session=number) |
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| 23:21.07 | ZitZ | Another useful common for testing is udisks --mount |
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| 23:21.49 | SparFux | ZitZ: yes, but which device. |
| 23:22.13 | ZitZ | It just mounts everything |
| 23:22.32 | SparFux | well, for me it gives me usage output :-( |
| 23:22.47 | webad_13 | MrFrood: but C-a n is for within one split part, tab actually alternates the split parts |
| 23:23.03 | MrFrood | webad_13: there quite a few command for copy and paste best to look at the man page |
| 23:24.03 | MrFrood | webad_13: n & p work just fine with my full screen tabs |
| 23:24.33 | ZitZ | I never had to restarted udisks but maybe /etc/init.d/udisks restart |
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| 23:31.09 | MrFrood | webad_13: http://www.phacks.net/how-to-use-gnu-screen/ should help get you going |
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| 23:31.28 | krisfremen | ewww screen, tmux ftw! |
| 23:32.04 | MrFrood | krisfremen: we already had this conversation :P |
| 23:32.16 | krisfremen | :P |
| 23:34.21 | webad_13 | MrFrood: ty |
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| 23:42.02 | spicy_taco | If I were to remove Pulseaudio to leave just alsa would I have any predictable sound problems? |
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| 23:43.39 | webad_13 | spicy_taco: well I think pulseaudio makes it possible for different programs to use sound at the same time. So if u removed it then if u listened to youtube u would not be able to play a song at the same time |
| 23:43.51 | Wyzard | ALSA does that on its own |
| 23:43.59 | Wyzard | Debian doesn't even use pulseaudio by default |
| 23:44.28 | Wyzard | (Ubuntu does, and it's a frequent source of complaints) |
| 23:44.45 | spicy_taco | It uses esound by default. WOuld i have better luck figuriing out how to install esound again. |
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| 23:45.01 | webad_13 | Wyzard: I had problems with for example Ekiga that uses Alsa and not pulse... if something else has ocupied Alsa ekiga would not have sound |
| 23:46.03 | Wyzard | You don't need esound either |
| 23:46.40 | Wyzard | ALSA has a plugin called "dmix", that's enabled by default (I don't think I've ever had to do anything special to make it work), that enables playing sounds from multiple things at the same time |
| 23:47.15 | webad_13 | Wyzard: ah ok then |
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| 23:47.36 | Wyzard | If you have old programs that use OSS, those don't work with dmix, but that's uncommon these days |
| 23:47.58 | spicy_taco | So if I uninstall Pulseaudio I should make sure that dmix is installed and thats all that I should in theory need to worry about? |
| 23:48.38 | Wyzard | Why did you install pulseaudio in the first place? |
| 23:48.58 | spicy_taco | Application volume level mixing. |
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| 23:49.45 | Wyzard | so you'll lose that, but it shouldn't break anything else that wasn't broken before you installed pulse |
| 23:49.59 | spicy_taco | Alright. Thank you for your assistance. |
| 23:50.25 | Wyzard | I haven't used pulse much, though, so I don't know what the complaints are against it -- it uses ALSA so it should mix with other things that use ALSA directly, so what's the problem with it? |
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| 23:50.55 | spicy_taco | My headphones stopped working. |
| 23:51.15 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 23:51.29 | spicy_taco | I believe that my mic stopped working as well. I never tried to use it though. |
| 23:52.25 | spicy_taco | Thank you for the assistance. I shall fix my box once I'm back at it. |
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| 23:53.16 | Abddu | I've been struggling with pulseaudio for 2 days, no effect. Problem: after boot my music player 'plays' but produces no sound, untill the very moment I killall pulseaudio. From then till next reboot all is ok. Help! :) |
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| 23:56.37 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:56.45 | dvs | bye |
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