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| 00:03.07 | Edge226 | abddu if pulse audio is an issue why not just remove it? |
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| 00:04.21 | nevyn | Abddu: sounds like a bug in either udev or pulse. |
| 00:04.35 | dvs | bets in pulse |
| 00:05.07 | nevyn | Abddu: or you've failed to configure your system for pulse correctly. |
| 00:05.28 | nevyn | Abddu: did you create a asound.conf ? |
| 00:06.38 | Abddu | Edge226: Well, I suppose it's needed for something if it was included in base install. I for sure didn't install it myself. :) |
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| 00:07.02 | EagleScreen | hello |
| 00:07.20 | Edge226 | Abddu gnome 3? |
| 00:07.25 | EagleScreen | I would like to switch from "intel" xorg driver to "fbdev" |
| 00:07.30 | Abddu | Edge226: KDE 4.4.5, kdm |
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| 00:07.51 | Abddu | nevyn: No, I didn't create it. I located: asound.conf_jack and asound.conf_oss |
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| 00:09.39 | Wyzard | EagleScreen: You'll get worse graphics performance that way |
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| 00:09.52 | EagleScreen | for it, i have created this file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-device.conf, is it ok? |
| 00:10.04 | EagleScreen | Wyzard: I dude it, I want do the test |
| 00:10.24 | Wyzard | hmm, I didn't know there was such a thing as xorg.conf.d |
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| 00:11.21 | EagleScreen | is it/etc/X11/Xorg.conf.d/ ?? |
| 00:11.29 | nevyn | Abddu: you need to fix your pulse config. see the following howto: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 00:11.32 | EagleScreen | watch the X |
| 00:11.40 | MrFrood | !tell Wyzard about xorg.conf.d |
| 00:11.44 | MrFrood | :P |
| 00:11.55 | Wyzard | Good to know |
| 00:12.12 | EagleScreen | !tell EagleScreen about xorg.conf.d |
| 00:12.25 | Wyzard | EagleScreen: lowercase is correct... your path looks OK |
| 00:12.36 | MrFrood | !tell EagleScreen about selftell |
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| 00:13.15 | EagleScreen | ok |
| 00:13.46 | Abddu | nevyn: Thanks, will give it a try. I wonder what could screw my config - I didn't fiddle with it. :) |
| 00:13.50 | Wyzard | Hhe didn't say anything about the *contents* of the file, though |
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| 00:14.53 | nevyn | Abddu: adding pulse without fixing the config will make a mess. |
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| 00:17.53 | Abddu | nevyn: /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc? |
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| 00:23.00 | nevyn | Abddu: so that's personal preference I picked /etc/asound.conf |
| 00:23.32 | nevyn | but there are some valid reasons to choose ~/.asoundrc (in particular if the pulseaudio daemon is running as you and there are other users on the system) |
| 00:23.53 | EagleScreen | with fbdev, the mouse pointer disappears sometimes |
| 00:24.12 | nevyn | so basically if everyone using the machine uses gnome use /etc/asound.conf if you share it with some crufty twm or ion user maybe ~/.asoundrc |
| 00:24.15 | EagleScreen | and with intel i have some rendering issues on KDE |
| 00:24.37 | MrFrood | nevyn: /etc/asound.conf is system wide but if you change you will need to pay attention during updates to make sure it is not overwritain |
| 00:24.55 | nevyn | MrFrood: it's explicitly NOT managed by dpkg |
| 00:25.11 | Abddu | nevyn: I'm the sole user, but I'll pick ~/.asoundrc. Thanks. Rebooting soon. :D |
| 00:25.32 | nevyn | which is annoying because otherwise installing pulse would configure sound to use it correctly |
| 00:25.33 | MrFrood | ok |
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| 00:25.56 | pzkfw | hello all, I run a small website (lamp) out of the home, I just wanted to know if there was software or a website (or even a list of things to check) that could tell me if I've left any horrible vulnerabilities open or set it up incorrectly, any replies would be appreciated. |
| 00:27.06 | nevyn | pzkfw: there are always horrible vulnerabilities |
| 00:27.15 | nevyn | we just don't know about them yet. |
| 00:28.17 | pzkfw | haha, I know. I mean past vulnerabilities or anything like that |
| 00:28.39 | nevyn | pzkfw: are you using stable? |
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| 00:29.51 | pzkfw | yes, debian 6.0 squeeze. |
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| 00:32.29 | manchot | speed-wise, is VPN connection faster than ssh -D for tunneling traffic? |
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| 00:33.15 | nevyn | pzkfw: have you configured security updates? |
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| 00:33.52 | nevyn | manchot: possibly. test it in your configuration and find out? |
| 00:34.04 | pzkfw | nevyn: yeah, I enabled both proposed and security updates in software sources. |
| 00:34.42 | manchot | nevyn, hearsay goes that vpn is faster than ssh. I didn't feel it. |
| 00:35.28 | nevyn | manchot: so vpn can be (depending on crypto algorityhm etc) less cpu intensive than ssh -D |
| 00:35.53 | nevyn | commonly hits problems with ssh maxing out cpu's on old systems |
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| 00:37.09 | Abddu | nevyn: adding ~/.asoundrc made no impact at all. |
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| 00:37.47 | nevyn | Abddu: run pactl stat for me and tell me what the default sink is. |
| 00:38.36 | Abddu | nevyn: Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo |
| 00:39.02 | nevyn | ok. and does aplay /usr/share/sound/*.wav give output? |
| 00:39.50 | Abddu | No such dir. DOes it have to be wav? |
| 00:40.06 | nevyn | yeah |
| 00:40.08 | nevyn | umm.. |
| 00:40.26 | Abddu | Found some wavs. |
| 00:40.44 | saivnoba | Abddu: /usr/share/sounds/alsa/ |
| 00:40.59 | Abddu | Yes, nice pings and such. :D |
| 00:41.05 | Abddu | Aplay works, I mean. |
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| 00:41.28 | Abddu | That's AFTER i killed PA though, I'd need t reboot to see how it behaves right after boot |
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| 00:46.06 | Abddu | nevyn: After reboot Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo, aplay 'plays' but no sound is being produced. |
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| 00:47.16 | MrFrood | Abddu: try 'alsactl init' as root |
| 00:48.35 | Abddu | Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC883" "HDA:10ec0883,1043829f,00100002" "0x1043" "0x829f" / Hardware is initialized using a guess method |
| 00:49.13 | dvs | ,pciid 1043:829f |
| 00:49.16 | judd | [1043:829f] is 'Unknown device' from 'ASUSTeK Computer Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1043:829f |
| 00:49.46 | pzkfw | abddu: are you using pulseaudio |
| 00:49.48 | nevyn | HD_Audio |
| 00:50.09 | nevyn | Abddu: does that change if you run pactl exit then run it again? |
| 00:50.19 | Abddu | nevyn: MrFrood: Also this window appeared _again_ after I went to System Manager > Sounds: http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1382/ostatnizrzutekranu.png |
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| 00:51.20 | nevyn | hrm |
| 00:51.31 | Abddu | nevyn: No, same |
| 00:51.36 | nevyn | so running pulseaudio from init is generally a bad idea and not reccomended. |
| 00:51.47 | nevyn | did the ownership of the pulseaudio process change. |
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| 00:52.14 | pzkfw | I had a million problems with sound on a laptop of mine and I removed pulseaudio through apt and it solved everything |
| 00:52.19 | Abddu | nevyn: But when I remove the init script no music player works at all |
| 00:52.39 | nevyn | Abddu: so pulse should run as part of your desktop startup not from init. |
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| 00:54.03 | Abddu | nevyn: I'll try removing it then, though I dn't feel comfortable about it at all. :D |
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| 00:54.33 | tomas_ | I got a bit of a problem with my laptop, on tty1 I had graphical links working but it crashed and it looks like messed up video driver as tty1 now just displays crap and it's all locked. I can ssh into the laptop. How can I fix this without restarting? |
| 00:54.50 | nevyn | Abddu: don't remove the init script but it shouldn't be enabled by default |
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| 00:57.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have a trivial repository on my hard drive of an offline machine. I cant get software-center to install anything from it. I get the message (Requires installation of untrusted packages - The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources.) Do I need to do something with/to my trivial repository to allow this to work? Do I need to digitally sign it or something? Not sure what that means but heave seen i |
| 00:58.45 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: aptitude install debian-keyring |
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| 01:00.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: I still get the same message. (This is an offline machine, in case you missed that part) |
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| 01:01.28 | nevyn | how did you make the repository? |
| 01:02.01 | Abddu | nevyn: I didn't mean removing the script, but purging pulseaudio. Got a question: do yuo have any idea what KDE wants here? http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1382/ostatnizrzutekranu.png And why? |
| 01:02.50 | nevyn | Abddu: which version of kde are you using? |
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| 01:03.20 | Abddu | nevyn: squeezy default 4.4.5 |
| 01:03.23 | nevyn | Abddu: phonon has detected the removal of a bunch of audio output devices this is ok. |
| 01:03.44 | nevyn | hrm |
| 01:03.56 | Abddu | nevyn: But no hardware was _ever_ removed from this rig, but graphic card, quite a few system installs ago. :D |
| 01:04.37 | nevyn | Abddu: from the perspective of phonon unavailible hardware is removed hardware. |
| 01:04.45 | nevyn | Abddu: I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 01:04.56 | Charlyuy | Hello everyone, I need a little help. Any bacula or postgres experienced user over here? |
| 01:05.24 | Abddu | nevyn: Might have found the reason of the bug, the graphics card had higher priority as SOUND device than the actuall sound card, which I noticed in system Manager GUI right now. |
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| 01:05.36 | nevyn | :) |
| 01:05.43 | nevyn | Abddu: graphics card are sound cards. |
| 01:05.47 | cwheeler | how can I see a packages dependancies? |
| 01:05.54 | nevyn | hdmi for the lose. |
| 01:06.25 | Abddu | nevyn: Yes, I saw that - even though music players produced no sound after boot, YouTube movies still had sound. :) |
| 01:06.38 | babilen | Charlyuy: Try #bacula and #postgres |
| 01:07.14 | Abddu | nevyn: reboot -n, brb |
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| 01:07.59 | Charlyuy | babilen I already on these channels but no response |
| 01:08.08 | babilen | cwheeler: various ways, "apt-cache depends PKG" lists them, "apt-cache show PKG" and "aptitude show PKG" give more information |
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| 01:09.11 | sonnie | hi there, i met a CIFS error when mounting a windows shared folder on remote server. 'dmesg' shows this: cifs: Unknown symbol kstrtoull. current kernel version: 2.6.38-2-amd64 |
| 01:09.22 | babilen | Charlyuy: Well, I am sure that you find people with lots of bacula and postgres experience over there. You might want to ask your real question if that wasn't it, which would increase your chances to get an answer :-D |
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| 01:12.26 | Charlyuy | I already have experience with bacula, but with myql instead of postgres. |
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| 01:12.56 | Charlyuy | Actually the problem is the authentication with postgres |
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| 01:14.17 | Charlyuy | I have installed on te same server the bacula-director and the postgres database |
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| 01:17.56 | cwheeler | thanks babilen |
| 01:18.14 | babilen | cwheeler: np :) |
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| 01:21.19 | cwheeler | is there a way to show what other packages depend on a package, not the packages it depends on? |
| 01:21.25 | Abddu | nevyn: Solved! It was KDE that messed it up by assigning higher priority to graphics card as sound device. Apparently my graphics card didn't stand up to the task. :D |
| 01:22.51 | babilen | cwheeler: "apt-cache rdepends PKG" -- "man apt-cache" ;) |
| 01:23.41 | cwheeler | thanks again |
| 01:25.16 | Abddu | nevyn: Oh, and I actually had to remove the .asoundrc for the issue to go away. |
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| 01:25.30 | nevyn | hrm |
| 01:25.46 | nevyn | so are you sending audio via pulse or not? |
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| 01:27.14 | EagleScreen | hello |
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| 01:27.50 | EagleScreen | how do i access to a partition (or folder?) encripted with ecryptfs-utils ?? |
| 01:28.40 | babilen | s/folder/directory |
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| 01:28.59 | Abddu | nevyn: I think so, definitely, as I see pulseaudio on my processes list quite high. But how do I make _sure_ I use pulseaudio for music player indeed? |
| 01:28.59 | oldirty | sudo mount -t ecryptfs ~/Private ~/Private |
| 01:29.49 | EagleScreen | can you explain what the two private are? |
| 01:30.09 | abrotman | EagleScreen: man mount |
| 01:30.18 | EagleScreen | I can use mount |
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| 01:32.47 | Charlyuy | [(status)] babilen: I try to be polite. I did not think to ask the question directly was very polite. I'm new to irc, so do not know how to behave here. I apologize for that. |
| 01:34.25 | Abddu | Not solved at all. Now playing Youtube doesn't allow for listening to music. OMG... |
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| 01:40.55 | lkthomas | guys, if I expand partition on LVM, I could just run resize2fs and it will start to expand my ext3 partition right ? |
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| 01:43.31 | mick_laptop | oldirty: i think he is asking why they arfe the same |
| 01:43.41 | lkthomas | nevermind guys, it's all working fine now |
| 01:43.47 | mick_laptop | (target and destination) in your example |
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| 01:44.59 | rajkosto | how do i upgrade kernel on debian squeeze from .32 ? |
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| 01:46.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | rajkosto: to? |
| 01:46.59 | anima- | rajkosto, goto kernel.org, download kernel, untar, build, install |
| 01:46.59 | rajkosto | .38 or somehing |
| 01:47.10 | rajkosto | no packages ? |
| 01:47.26 | babilen | !tell rajkosto -about bdo kernel |
| 01:47.28 | babilen | !tell rajkosto -about bdo |
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| 01:47.47 | anhday | hi people, do you guys have problem sometime firefox crashes? |
| 01:48.03 | anhday | i just upgraded my debian and this happened |
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| 01:50.04 | bman | use iceweasel |
| 01:51.00 | anima- | iceweasel is just firefox with a different logo :p |
| 01:52.09 | anhday | oh wait, i'm using iceweasel |
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| 01:52.43 | rajkosto | so just install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 |
| 01:53.06 | anhday | bman, but iceweasel still running firefox correct? |
| 01:53.19 | anhday | i got something like firefox-bin:7072): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead |
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| 01:58.02 | bman | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=41476&sid=1b12e70d64ec01f6327ff9f495c8a7e4&start=30 |
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| 01:58.09 | bman | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=41476&sid=1b12e70d64ec01f6327ff9f495c8a7e4&start=30 |
| 01:58.24 | bman | lmgtfy wtf |
| 01:59.10 | anhday | (firefox-bin:8208): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead |
| 01:59.10 | anhday | Segmentation fault |
| 01:59.19 | anhday | right there , it just crashed me again |
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| 01:59.45 | bman | run it from the command line and see what else it says |
| 02:00.37 | Wyzard | bman: Those messages he mentioned are console messages -- he's running it from a command line already |
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| 02:00.53 | anhday | yes |
| 02:00.57 | babilen | rajkosto: yes |
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| 02:09.44 | bman | well lets see then |
| 02:10.04 | bman | run firefox -g |
| 02:12.02 | Schroeder | good lord, it sounds like Leopold Mozart's Jagdsinfonie outside |
| 02:13.09 | bman | nice |
| 02:14.35 | bman | 1 day you're here baby, then the next your gone |
| 02:14.53 | manchot | I want to change my built-in Intel 3945 wifi card into something more powerful |
| 02:15.01 | manchot | can anyone recommand one? |
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| 02:15.21 | abrotman | manchot: what's your current kernel ? |
| 02:15.30 | bman | is it in a thinkpad? |
| 02:15.31 | abrotman | and what do you mean by more powerful? IIRC that one is just b/g ? |
| 02:15.33 | manchot | abrotman, squeez |
| 02:15.39 | abrotman | manchot: 'squeez' is not a kernel :) |
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| 02:15.57 | bman | cat /proc/version |
| 02:16.15 | bman | uname -a |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | overload! |
| 02:16.40 | bman | beep! |
| 02:16.52 | babilen | manchot: Are you looking for hardware advice? |
| 02:17.00 | manchot | babilen, yes |
| 02:17.03 | abrotman | manchot: if it's a mini-pci card .. you can try to replace the card .. but you should give some requirements ... |
| 02:17.22 | manchot | abrotman, b/g/n? |
| 02:17.24 | abrotman | manchot: i use a 5100 with squeeze, works fine |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236] |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | 15:00.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller [1180:0832] (rev 04) |
| 02:17.39 | babilen | I use a 3945 with sid, works fine as well :) |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | sorry .. 5300 |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | and i'd assume it does b/g/n |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | uses it with 11g only to this point |
| 02:18.58 | manchot | abrotman, babilen I meant a mini-pic card with better singnal reception |
| 02:19.17 | abrotman | yeah, mine is mini-pci (thinkpad laptop) |
| 02:19.21 | manchot | by the way, is it different to replace it inside my laptop? |
| 02:19.37 | manchot | abrotman, broadcom is better? |
| 02:19.39 | abrotman | manchot: depends on your specific laptop model |
| 02:19.42 | bman | i asked to begin with if it was a thinkpad |
| 02:19.51 | bman | you cant switch the one in a thinkpad |
| 02:19.52 | abrotman | manchot: i would say no .. but i think broadcom should burn in hell |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | bman: uh .. i have |
| 02:20.01 | abrotman | it depends on the model |
| 02:20.10 | babilen | You can easily replace cards in thinkpads -- check the hardware maintanence manuals |
| 02:20.19 | bman | well it usually gives a error that unauthorized hardware is present for me |
| 02:20.34 | bman | there is a additional minipci port |
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| 02:20.44 | bman | gotta use it |
| 02:20.54 | bman | but mines a asshole i guess |
| 02:20.56 | jmarsden | bman: Debian is probably "unauthorized software", too |
| 02:21.01 | abrotman | bman: which do you have? |
| 02:21.11 | bman | t61p |
| 02:21.14 | bman | nah |
| 02:21.24 | bman | linux is supported on all thinkpads |
| 02:21.36 | abrotman | bman: supported by whom? |
| 02:21.44 | bman | just works |
| 02:21.49 | manchot | abrotman, bman which card has better singnal? |
| 02:21.57 | jmarsden | bman: If IBM is supporting Debian on Thinkpads, please provide link :) |
| 02:22.04 | bman | idk i couldnt find one that would work for me |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | bman: that's not vendor support |
| 02:22.14 | abrotman | manchot: between which two cardS? |
| 02:22.20 | bman | not vendor support no |
| 02:22.26 | abrotman | manchot: you stlil haven't given us your thinkpad model |
| 02:22.28 | bman | but the community supports them well |
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| 02:22.52 | manchot | abrotman, intel and * |
| 02:22.55 | bman | i have a t61p and a t41 |
| 02:23.07 | jmarsden | bman: In the same way as the community supports "unauthorized" wireless cards, no doubt :) |
| 02:23.13 | manchot | shamfully admits he uses a HP dv2000t |
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| 02:23.15 | abrotman | manchot: that's too vague .. try again |
| 02:23.24 | bman | 3unauthorized message was a bios message |
| 02:23.29 | bman | not something in writing |
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| 02:23.32 | manchot | abrotman, I heard that broadcom has better/stronger signal? |
| 02:23.33 | bman | da |
| 02:23.34 | abrotman | manchot: honestly .. there are a pile of variables we can't answer .. |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | manchot: as i said .. i *loathe* broadcom .. i wouldn't mess with them if i didn't have to .. damn things are a PITA |
| 02:24.14 | abrotman | i have one bcm4312, and that's one too many |
| 02:24.27 | bman | i tried a broadcomm which worked great but my n antennae didnt work with the G card |
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| 02:27.03 | smugglerinc | I seem to have caused a peculiar issue involving my sound. I removed pulseaudio to just go down to alsa. and now only my headphones seem to be detected. |
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| 02:29.18 | nevyn | smugglerinc: so re-install pulse and set it up properly |
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| 02:29.51 | smugglerinc | I was having issues with pulseaudio detecting my headphones. WHile it was set up properly. |
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| 02:31.34 | jhutchins_lt | smugglerinc: pulseaudio is a radically expermental project attempting to duplicate the work of two otheer projects and mostly failing badly. |
| 02:32.17 | smugglerinc | then what do I need to install to get esound working again? |
| 02:32.53 | nevyn | jhutchins_lt: what do you base this on? |
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| 02:34.07 | jhutchins_lt | Experience, surveys of mailing lists, reports on multiple distributions' IRC channels and mailing lists, anyone who has attempted to use it. |
| 02:35.04 | Miesco | Should I get openoffice or libreoffice? |
| 02:35.12 | abrotman | Miesco: you should get the one in your version of Debian |
| 02:35.12 | nevyn | jhutchins_lt: I use it without issue to successfully playback multiple audio streams at once as well as hotplug and remove soundcards on my laptop |
| 02:35.46 | jhutchins_lt | nevyn: Great for you. It breaks more systems than it helps. |
| 02:36.05 | jhutchins_lt | nevyn: You are an exception. |
| 02:36.58 | smugglerinc | So...What do I install? |
| 02:37.07 | nevyn | jhutchins_lt: the audio devices people have are increasing. (more people have things like usb headsets) static mapping with asoundrc is no longer appropriate to meet these requirements |
| 02:38.34 | Miesco | abrotman: What one is in wheezy? |
| 02:38.45 | jhutchins_lt | oss and alsa both have more functional models working toward the same end, Pulseaudio consistently breaks more systems than it fixes. |
| 02:38.51 | abrotman | Miesco: libreoffice |
| 02:39.10 | smugglerinc | Then tell my how I can fix my issue with alsa. |
| 02:39.26 | smugglerinc | Please |
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| 02:40.09 | jhutchins_lt | For those distros that install pulseaudio by default, 99% of the audio fixes are "purge pulseaudio"/ |
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| 02:41.44 | jhutchins_lt | nevyn: I'm glad it does nice things for you, but you are `1%, |
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| 02:41.58 | bman | pulseaudio is awesome |
| 02:42.08 | bman | for networked sound at least |
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| 02:44.28 | jhutchins_lt | bman: For the majority of users,it break sound. |
| 02:44.41 | smugglerinc | I purged pulseaudio. Now I only have sound coming out of my headphones. Can someone tell me how to fix this? |
| 02:44.49 | moses | how do you install files you download? |
| 02:44.53 | bman | prolly so |
| 02:45.26 | bman | its cool as poo tho |
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| 02:48.11 | neil_ | I have an old mac G4... its working comming up with "openBSD/macppc ..." "login: "... I dont know any user names or passwords.... how can I get Debian onto it? |
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| 02:53.59 | ujjain | Hi, :) How do I also remove the rest? rc lighttpd 1.4.28-2 A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint |
| 02:54.21 | dvs | ujjain: aptitude purge lighttpd |
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| 02:55.07 | ujjain | dvs: thanks |
| 02:55.11 | dvs | np |
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| 03:08.21 | Mok__ | howdy folks |
| 03:08.36 | Mok__ | what's the best way of restarting a process that's prone to crashing? |
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| 03:10.07 | Mok__ | I was thinking about writing a bash script to loop the command (it occupies the ... process?), but someone told me that was dumb |
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| 03:12.36 | jep200404 | There can be several good ways of restarting a process. The best way might depend on the situation. |
| 03:13.00 | Mok__ | it's a shell script that starts a program in java |
| 03:13.14 | Mok__ | bitcoin miner! |
| 03:13.45 | jep200404 | What crashes? The shell script that start the java stuff, or the java stuff itself? |
| 03:14.00 | jep200404 | s/start/starts/ |
| 03:14.17 | Mok__ | java crashes |
| 03:14.47 | Mok__ | takes me back to the prompt |
| 03:14.59 | Mok__ | that's why I thought I could just do a do while true loop |
| 03:15.07 | jep200404 | I don't see any problem with looping in the script, |
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| 03:16.02 | jep200404 | However, eventually you do want to leave. How will you break out of the loop? return codes? |
| 03:16.38 | Mok__ | I don't ever want it to stop |
| 03:16.49 | jep200404 | ever? |
| 03:16.54 | Mok__ | nope |
| 03:17.02 | Mok__ | it doesn't hurt anything for me to crash it |
| 03:17.10 | Mok__ | and I'm willing to put up with that |
| 03:17.29 | jep200404 | What if you need to do some maintainance with it stopped? |
| 03:17.38 | Mok__ | but, just for the sake of professional development, how would you do that with cron? |
| 03:17.49 | Mok__ | I'd probably hit ctrl-c a lot |
| 03:18.00 | jep200404 | how would I do what with cron? |
| 03:18.02 | Mok__ | and if I found it was annoying, I'd put a sleep in there for a few secs |
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| 03:18.13 | Mok__ | restart the process |
| 03:18.18 | jep200404 | A sleep in the loop would be prudent |
| 03:18.38 | Mok__ | the person who told me a loop approach was dumb said I should do that with cron |
| 03:19.09 | Mok__ | oh |
| 03:19.10 | Mok__ | duh |
| 03:19.11 | Mok__ | I know |
| 03:19.20 | Mok__ | "if not running, then start" and set it for every 5min |
| 03:19.27 | Miesco | Is ET:QW the most gpu exauhsting linux game to date? |
| 03:19.49 | jep200404 | That works also. (There is more than one correct solution.) |
| 03:19.55 | Miesco | I need something to justify my $300 grpahics card |
| 03:20.04 | Mok__ | Miesco: mine bitcoin |
| 03:20.15 | Mok__ | #bitcoin-mining |
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| 03:20.43 | jep200404 | Miesco: explore the screen savers. Some are piggy. |
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| 03:21.21 | Edge226 | Hello, I was wondering if Debian only supported DE's or whether it supports stand alone WM's as well. |
| 03:21.33 | Miesco | jep200404: I did, ALL of them. I even juiced up all the settings, my card doesn't sweat |
| 03:21.44 | dondelelcaro | Edge226: I'm just using awesome, so yes, it supports both. |
| 03:22.11 | Edge226 | where in aptitude would I find WM's alone? |
| 03:22.32 | dondelelcaro | Edge226: aptitude install nameofwm; depends on the wm you want |
| 03:23.01 | Edge226 | okay. so if I wanted to get lxde it woudl be aptitude install lxde? |
| 03:23.07 | jep200404 | Mok__: comparing loop in script versus cron: if script itself has a problem, what restarts the script? Cron is pretty robust. I don't hear about cron dying. |
| 03:23.13 | dondelelcaro | Edge226: yes |
| 03:23.19 | dondelelcaro | (though lxde is a DE, not a WM) |
| 03:24.38 | Edge226 | dondelelcaro yes I understand that. |
| 03:25.11 | Edge226 | so would running in a VM environment not allow me to see the package virtualbox? |
| 03:26.14 | Edge226 | or is that not included with debian and needs to be found elsewhere? |
| 03:26.56 | h2os | Edge226, virtualbox.org, you can add oracles repo if you want or download deb |
| 03:27.21 | h2os | Edge226, since it not technically free software |
| 03:27.41 | h2os | why its not included i presume |
| 03:27.50 | Edge226 | I see. hmmm. |
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| 03:28.45 | Edge226 | I dont know if that is very convenient for me, finding packages does not seem to be very simple in debian. |
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| 03:29.07 | ZykoticK9 | Edge226, FYI virtualbox-ose is included in main |
| 03:29.31 | christopher_ | ya, finding packages in debian has always been extremely simple for me |
| 03:29.32 | shirish | hi all, is http://lists.alioth.debian.org/ down ? |
| 03:29.37 | h2os | Edge226, have you looked at synaptic? |
| 03:29.56 | Edge226 | h2os is it installed by default? |
| 03:30.57 | h2os | Edge226, doesn't appear to be, apt-get install synaptic |
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| 03:31.43 | h2os | Edge226, but if you want cli tool aptitude is |
| 03:32.07 | Edge226 | yeah but aptitude only sees guest additions stuff when I search virtualbox. |
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| 03:34.01 | Edge226 | hmmm, I think I've made my choice. |
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| 03:34.57 | h2os | virtualbox-ose, but it is old |
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| 03:35.09 | h2os | I normally get debs from vbox's site |
| 03:35.14 | shirish | h2os: can you see if you are able to get to http://lists.alioth.debian.org/ via a web-browser ? |
| 03:35.32 | h2os | shirish, y? |
| 03:36.23 | shirish | h2os: : because I'm not able to get it, I get page down error. just want to confirm if the site/server/webpage is down or something at my end ? |
| 03:36.39 | taglass | shirish: no responsse |
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| 03:37.23 | shirish | taglass: thank you. This means the server is still down, yesterday they did some stuff and its still not up :( |
| 03:37.26 | shirish | oh well. |
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| 03:40.05 | shirish | taglass: h2os: http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2011/05/msg00000.html , was looking for an update on this . |
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| 03:44.05 | h2os | is there a better way to mirror apt repo then using apt-mirror, such as rsync? |
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| 03:45.23 | nsadmin | h2os, consider an apt proxy |
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| 03:46.17 | xk | hmm... anyone know much about IBM IMM? can't seem to boot virtual cdrom media without the system rebooting, killing the remote connection. (yeah yeah - off-topic but debian can't run on thin air, can't it? :) |
| 03:47.32 | h2os | nsadmin, thx for the response. I'll have to think about scenarios we have see if that be a good fit for us |
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| 03:51.09 | flamingspinach | is mozilla.debian.net down? |
| 03:52.08 | nsadmin | heard someone ask that yesterday |
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| 04:00.46 | flamingspinach | nsadmin: did anyone answer them? :P |
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| 04:02.18 | nsadmin | not that I know of... |
| 04:03.21 | nsadmin | it may or may not be related to alioth, whose supposedly scheduled maintainance seems to be getting longer and longer |
| 04:03.52 | neil_ | I have an old mac G4... its working comming up with "openBSD/macppc ..." "login: "... I dont know any user names or passwords.... how can I get Debian onto it? |
| 04:05.11 | flamingspinach | neil_: if you don't mind reformatting, just boot from the installer CD |
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| 04:06.42 | nsadmin | reformatting will totally erase your hd... if you care about what's there, you're advised to back up your drive |
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| 04:07.51 | Jordan_U | neil_: When you boot the Debian install CD it won't need to propmpt you for your old OS's password before installing Debian. |
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| 04:09.15 | sagarchalise | Hi people I get destination host unreachable when i ping to my router/gateway(192.168.1.1) with my pc(192.168.1.2). Can anyone help? |
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| 04:12.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok whats the command to find Z sate processes... |
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| 04:12.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | i feel like a douche i should nknow this but i dont.. |
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| 04:18.24 | austinium | whats the installed size on disk for Squeeze with GNOME and Squeeze with LXDE? |
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| 04:19.16 | kamelot314 | austinium: Aprox 3-4gb |
| 04:19.42 | austinium | kamelot314: even with LXDE or XFCE? |
| 04:20.55 | kamelot314 | austinium : just with gnome... don't know with XFCE. add maybe 500mb for XFCE also |
| 04:21.12 | austinium | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/distro-that-needs-the-least-amount-of-space-882147 |
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| 04:22.18 | austinium | the guys has a 4GB to spare for Linux, i was wondering if Squeeze with just XFCE would fit |
| 04:22.21 | Corin | Ah. |
| 04:22.44 | kamelot314 | austinium : yes it fit |
| 04:22.45 | Corin | debhelper sets +l based on how many users are in the channel, correct? |
| 04:22.59 | neil_ | flamingspinach, Jordan_U , where do I get the install CD image? Is there a special one needed for the mac G4? |
| 04:23.27 | Corin | Ah. |
| 04:23.34 | Corin | debhelper is an eggdrop. I see. |
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| 04:25.26 | flamingspinach | neil_: if you want squeeze (stable), here's the ppc network install image: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-powerpc-netinst.iso |
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| 04:54.35 | Miesco | I did something stupid |
| 04:54.40 | Miesco | I did sudo blah.bin |
| 04:54.49 | Miesco | Now I can't find the process |
| 04:54.53 | Miesco | oh maybe its name is sudo |
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| 04:55.51 | Schroeder | Miesco: You should really be using Slackware. |
| 04:56.04 | Miesco | Schroeder: I used it in year 2000 |
| 04:56.16 | Miesco | My first distro |
| 04:57.17 | chrismcdowell | I have squeeze installed but am having some trouble with some packages not installing correctly. The distributor recommends using maverick. Is there a way to get the maverick installation still? |
| 04:57.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | maverick what? |
| 04:57.53 | homie | get the source compile, download the binary, try to run..... |
| 04:57.57 | tensorpudding | you oughtn't be using ubuntu packages on debian, that would be why they don't install properly |
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| 04:59.53 | chrismcdowell | the error I am getting is dpkg: error processing paparazzi-bin (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit starus 2 configured to not write apport reports |
| 05:01.42 | chrismcdowell | oh and the line before that is Error: the file server.cmo is not bytecode object file |
| 05:02.05 | tensorpudding | .cmo, that's ocaml isn't it |
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| 05:02.53 | Miesco | I did this: sudo ./ETQW-client-1.4-full.x86.run |
| 05:03.06 | Miesco | I realize now that it will not run it in X |
| 05:03.36 | tensorpudding | anyway, if it is for ubuntu, it's not supported, it's not going to install; you should find the source and compile it, or find the source package and try to port it |
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| 05:04.56 | neil_ | I have downloaded the net install CD... but it seems that the mac G4 isn't looking at the CD to see if it can boot from it... it just boots from the HDD... is there a bios? how do I activate it? |
| 05:04.59 | chrismcdowell | so the maverick release is not available I take it then? I'm not that linux savy and porting something sounds like a hassle |
| 05:05.19 | chrismcdowell | if you hold c on boot a mac should boot from cd |
| 05:05.58 | neil_ | chrismcdowell, thanks |
| 05:06.00 | tensorpudding | chrismcdowell: maverick is not debian |
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| 05:06.12 | tensorpudding | chrismcdowell: yes, porting is kind of a hassle |
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| 05:07.23 | chrismcdowell | np neil_ |
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| 05:08.07 | Lobs | what is the recomended way to upgrade from debian 5.0.1 to latest stable? |
| 05:08.47 | chrismcdowell | is maverick ubuntu? |
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| 05:10.14 | simonlnu | chrismcdowell: yes |
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| 05:11.42 | janis_ | hi guys! I am using xdmx between two different pcs. Can i change the libs i use for libGL for a session?? I am using new nvidia proprietary in one pc, and legacy proprietary in another, and I believe its the reason why it crashes immediately as soon as a GLX call is executed to the Xdmx |
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| 05:12.22 | Miesco | This installation doesn't support glibc-2.1 on Linux / unknown |
| 05:12.24 | Miesco | I get that |
| 05:12.29 | janis_ | do you believe it could fix the problem? |
| 05:12.31 | Miesco | When I try to run a .bin |
| 05:12.49 | Miesco | Its a different .bin, I found out I didn't download the other .bin yet |
| 05:14.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell Lobs about lenny -> squeeze |
| 05:15.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | blah |
| 05:15.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell Lobs about lenny->squeeze |
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| 05:15.18 | mcksds | Has anyone ever used textem.net ? |
| 05:15.50 | SushiDude | mcksds: no, what is it? |
| 05:15.58 | mcksds | Text from Computer |
| 05:16.32 | SushiDude | mcksds: SMS? |
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| 05:16.54 | mcksds | Dunno it's text from computer |
| 05:16.55 | SushiDude | mcksds: I would just use google voice |
| 05:16.56 | mcksds | to phones |
| 05:17.04 | mcksds | Does google voice send to phones ? |
| 05:17.11 | SushiDude | mcksds: ya |
| 05:17.27 | SushiDude | mcksds: SMS and Phone calls |
| 05:17.28 | mcksds | Thanks SushiDude |
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| 05:17.33 | Lobs | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
| 05:17.37 | SushiDude | =) |
| 05:17.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lobs: gl :) |
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| 05:23.37 | Lobs | Kamping_Kaiser: just curious, why isnt dist-upgrade used anymore? |
| 05:25.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lobs: i dont know. i find it odd that the factoid suggests upgrade instead, but i have no way of knowing why (ttbomk the release notes still say aptitude ) |
| 05:25.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I need help my logs are filling up with packet information.. |
| 05:25.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastebin.com/WVvfj8mj |
| 05:25.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i turn it off.. |
| 05:26.18 | neil_ | I have a Mac G4 here... trying to boot the net install CD... I have tried disconnecting the HDD ... and several CD drives ... with the HDD disconnected, I get a folder icon on the screen with a flashing '?' in it... but no boot!... what could be wrong? |
| 05:26.22 | Lobs | Kamping_Kaiser: that was going to be my next question, why isnt aptitude used, last i read the debian website it suggeseted it ;-) |
| 05:27.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | no idea :/ |
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| 05:29.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... |
| 05:29.18 | Lobs | neil_: reboot holding down the c key |
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| 05:29.57 | flamingspinach | whoa, wine is old in debian |
| 05:30.12 | neil_ | Lobs, yes |
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| 05:30.39 | ZitZ | hi |
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| 05:32.03 | ZitZ | i apologize if this isn't a good channel for this, but if you want to direct me toward a better one, i'd be happy, but i just setup my router as a wireless access point and i don't know how to connect to the router wirelessly that i set as an access point |
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| 05:34.10 | chrismcdowell | neil_: try option key |
| 05:34.12 | chrismcdowell | http://davespicks.com/writing/programming/mackeys.html#boot |
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| 05:34.36 | Kevin` | how can I prevent the debian installer from starting a framebuffer? |
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| 05:35.45 | chrismcdowell | neil_: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1310 |
| 05:36.04 | chrismcdowell | if it isn't showing up with the option key maybe the cd burn wasn't done right |
| 05:36.17 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to check if a particular file exists and is older than 3 minutes? |
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| 05:36.44 | Kevin` | find would do nicely but is probably overkill |
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| 05:37.12 | hid3 | Dah. Hate find |
| 05:37.26 | hid3 | Anyway, will try to use it and see if it fits my case |
| 05:38.01 | hid3 | Not sure how to specify time in find |
| 05:38.12 | hid3 | -mtime +1m says missing argument for mtime |
| 05:39.11 | hid3 | manpage says it can work only in n*24 hours so probably useless in my case :( |
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| 05:42.03 | jelly-home | hid3: -mmin |
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| 05:44.07 | hid3 | nice, thanks! |
| 05:44.18 | hid3 | It's just awesome |
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| 06:22.10 | phix | hey, how can I pin using squeeze packages as a higher priority than debian-multimedia? |
| 06:22.23 | phix | or do I Need to pin each package seperately? |
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| 06:33.12 | sonnie | hi there, i failed to mount CIFS fs, dmesg: cifs: Unknown symbol kstrtoull |
| 06:33.29 | sonnie | kernel version: 2.6.38-2-amd64 |
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| 06:34.46 | doublehp_ | any undelete tool for ext4 ? |
| 06:34.56 | Jordan_U | !undelete | doublehp_ |
| 06:34.56 | dpkg | Jordan_U: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 06:35.09 | Jordan_U | grr, wrong bot. |
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| 06:35.45 | Jordan_U | doublehp_: Not really. Is there any program which has the file in question still open? |
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| 06:37.08 | Jordan_U | doublehp_: Recovering deleted files on !ext3 filesystems can be virtually impossible, although methods that might work is some cases are described at at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and http://projects.izzysoft.de/trac/ext3undel . |
| 06:37.23 | Jordan_U | (stolen from #ubuntu's ubottu). |
| 06:37.51 | doublehp_ | any undelete tool for ext3 != ext4 |
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| 06:38.30 | Jordan_U | doublehp_: It's just as virtually impossible on ext4 as it is on ext3. |
| 06:38.54 | Jordan_U | doublehp_: What is your exact situation? |
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| 06:39.32 | sunson | What does the sysctl parameter 'fs.quota.syncs' signify? |
| 06:39.36 | doublehp_ | Jordan_U: i did rm at the wrong place, on a folder that was not BU yet |
| 06:40.00 | doublehp_ | and did not create any file yet on the FS |
| 06:40.19 | doublehp_ | and i need to recover only 10% files |
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| 06:40.53 | Jordan_U | doublehp_: Will any 10% do or is there a specific 10% you need? What type of file? |
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| 06:42.01 | doublehp_ | Jordan_U: specific 10%; and I can still accept some loss amongst it. |
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| 06:42.51 | iluminator101 | is anyone running 2.6.39? |
| 06:42.54 | ompaul | doublehp_: dd the existing disk to somewhere and you can work on it there |
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| 06:43.13 | ompaul | iluminator101: what is your real question |
| 06:43.41 | doublehp_ | ompaul: not possible. but disk is already remounted RO, and can stay RO for days if required |
| 06:43.45 | iluminator101 | well i wanna upgrade my kernel without having to upgrade to unstable? |
| 06:43.58 | ompaul | iluminator101: why? |
| 06:44.28 | iluminator101 | to test out the new kernel features |
| 06:44.33 | ompaul | doublehp_: backups my man backups they are useful; now you know |
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| 06:44.55 | Jordan_U | doublehp_: What type of files? |
| 06:45.05 | ompaul | iluminator101: then just do it but know this - not all systems will like it and if your udev is 169-1 you should not |
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| 06:45.43 | ompaul | iluminator101: and if you don't understand what I just said you most certainly should not. |
| 06:45.55 | doublehp_ | ompaul: I can not backup the 3T disk ... I am not rich enough to afford for enough disks to do my triple BU for 3T; that would mean 3+9T = 12T to buy ... |
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| 06:47.12 | ompaul | doublehp_: what happens when the disks go POP as some day they will, I find that shortsighted. Don't store what you can't afford to keep in backups, and most certainly don't rely on it being avaialble. |
| 06:47.37 | iluminator101 | ompaul, kudos well said i will pass from upgrading for now, but what does udev 169-1 mean |
| 06:48.15 | doublehp_ | ompaul: for 99%, i can accept lossing it; raid is doing the cheapest part of it. Vital data is backup 5 times, including offline disks, and off-building |
| 06:49.14 | doublehp_ | ompaul: but delete-recovery is my topic for today: just software, free, just a few hours. |
| 06:49.17 | ompaul | iluminator101: it is a version number - .39 kernel causes the udev 169-1 to feel very ill and it does not see 100% of your devices (i.e. dead box) |
| 06:49.59 | Lobs | doublehp_: maybe testdisk may help you? |
| 06:50.05 | doublehp_ | no |
| 06:50.12 | doublehp_ | only lost one folder on disk |
| 06:50.28 | doublehp_ | IIRC, testdisk is for lost partitions |
| 06:50.47 | Lobs | doublehp_: it can recover files that have been deleted aswell iirc |
| 06:51.03 | Lobs | doublehp_: however they must be recoverd to another drive. |
| 06:51.31 | Jordan_U | Lobs: doublehp_: Photorec, which is not testdisk but is part of the same project as testdisk, can recover deleted files. |
| 06:51.41 | Lobs | doublehp_: but maybe wont work for ext4 |
| 06:52.07 | Jordan_U | doublehp_: But only if they are of a supported filetype, hence why I have asked multiple times what type of files you're trying to recover. |
| 06:53.51 | doublehp_ | i know the types , and names, i hold a full list of missing files, and i can even have access to the header of files from an other source. |
| 06:54.01 | doublehp_ | let say, the first 64kB |
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| 06:56.07 | doublehp_ | testdisk alone does not work |
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| 06:57.36 | home-alone | Hi...is there anything like a "pirated copy" of Debian...??? |
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| 06:58.23 | Jordan_U | doublehp_: foremost appears to allow searching for custom headers (rather than just the set list that comes with foremost). |
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| 06:59.19 | Jordan_U | home-alone: No, Debian is Free Software. Why do you ask? |
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| 07:01.02 | jmarsden | home-alone: Well, in theory you could remove all the copyright info and all the licence info, and distribute the result ... that would "very sort of" be a pirated copy. I suppose ... but what would the point be??? |
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| 07:01.43 | home-alone | I am seeding Debian torrent and my IP sent me an e-mail saying i was seeding copyright meterial |
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| 07:02.22 | sep | home-alone, did it mention the debian torrint in the email ? or was it perhaps some other torrents running as well ? |
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| 07:02.30 | jmarsden | You are. Most or all software in Debian is copyrighted. It is just that the copyright and licence allows you to distribute it :) |
| 07:02.41 | home-alone | It actully mention Debian |
| 07:02.56 | sep | .... |
| 07:03.02 | sep | i have no words :) |
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| 07:03.31 | home-alone | well I am going to sue the IP over harraesing me |
| 07:03.36 | Jordan_U | home-alone: That's pretty funny actually. If they don't say you shouldn't (and maybe even if they do) you should publish it :) |
| 07:04.21 | sep | probably just a scare tactic of trying to get you to not use the bandwith you pay for |
| 07:04.38 | doublehp_ | Jordan_U: Lobs : photorec on rails, i think it will do it. Then i ll try sys-fs/extundelete. thanks |
| 07:04.43 | sep | only sane reason i can think of. |
| 07:04.52 | Jordan_U | home-alone: Sueing them is overkill IMHO. And if you actually want to bring about change in their policy then making them the laughing stock of the internet would be much more effective. |
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| 07:05.21 | Jordan_U | doublehp_: photorec on rails? |
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| 07:05.33 | sep | also if you sue, make sure you can get another isp in your area. since i doubt you want to stick with them,..... |
| 07:06.03 | doublehp_ | photorec will not do |
| 07:06.39 | doublehp_ | it will try to restaure all deleted data: 200G, while I only want to recover 8G, and have only 15G free |
| 07:06.54 | doublehp_ | it will not show me a tree of files to recover ... |
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| 07:07.58 | Jordan_U | doublehp_: You're not going to get a nice file tree, or even file names from ext3/4. See the links I gave you before for an explanation of why. |
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| 07:08.37 | jelly-home | home-alone: if it's the official torrent, everything in it is redistributable |
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| 07:22.51 | Gus81 | che hay alguien despierto? |
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| 07:23.09 | Gus81 | sorry |
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| 07:28.33 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 07:29.38 | gypsymauro | it's the second time that installing debian squeeze I've problems showing partitions both with fdisc and cfdisc, for example fdisc says: Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 07:29.49 | gypsymauro | but I used the parman of the installer, it's buggy? |
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| 07:32.01 | oldirty | gypsymauro: that's just a warning to the best of my recollection. |
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| 07:32.24 | oldirty | the downside being that a very small amount of space will be unusable |
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| 07:32.44 | Bushmills | gypsymauro: try fdisk -lc /dev/yourdevice |
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| 07:33.21 | Bushmills | or just fdisk -lc |
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| 07:35.45 | Jordan_U | gypsymauro: Not ending on a cylinder boundry is perfectly fine unless your hard drive is more than a decade old. |
| 07:35.55 | gypsymauro | http://pastebin.com/mwWxxxDH |
| 07:36.18 | Jordan_U | gypsymauro: And debian-installer does a very good job of getting optimal alignment of partitions. |
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| 07:42.11 | Bushmills | gypsymauro: see, warning is gone |
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| 07:53.07 | gypsymauro | Bushmills: what changed? |
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| 07:53.21 | gypsymauro | Bushmills: -lc fixes the warning? |
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| 07:53.53 | gypsymauro | btw cfdisk still has problems : FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
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| 07:54.04 | gypsymauro | even if fdisk works :( |
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| 07:59.57 | oldirty | cfdisk has been deprecated since I was in my teens, sir. |
| 08:00.36 | kzar | I need to check exactly what GNU Screen is pasting into the session, but it's binary so I can't just have it sent to a text editor. Which command could I run inside the screen that would wait for input and write it to a file? |
| 08:00.44 | gypsymauro | doh oldirty |
| 08:00.47 | gypsymauro | I liked it |
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| 08:01.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | oldirty: was that 12 months ago, or 12 years ago? some context would be handy ;) |
| 08:01.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | parted ftw, ftr |
| 08:01.40 | oldirty | kzar: like 'tee' or like 'expect' ? |
| 08:01.53 | oldirty | gypsymauro: what Kamping_Kaiser says. Use parted! |
| 08:02.02 | oldirty | EFI support :) |
| 08:02.05 | kzar | oldirty: schweet thanks I'll try 'um |
| 08:02.16 | oldirty | kzar: that was a question :p |
| 08:02.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | gpa (sp?) support too |
| 08:02.52 | kzar | oldirty: just trying tee now, seems exactly what I need but I've yet to test how it handles binary crap |
| 08:03.21 | oldirty | kzar: tee is handy for pipe work like 'grep blah /var/log/blahlog | tee pree-awk-output | awk "{print $whatever}" ' |
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| 08:04.11 | oldirty | we use script to create screen dumps of live SSH sessions here at work... far beyond my voodoo skills though |
| 08:04.17 | oldirty | also context = 26 |
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| 08:11.01 | kzar | oldirty: wow, pretty snazzy |
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| 08:13.33 | kzar | oldirty: No tee wasn't raw enough, it messed with things |
| 08:13.50 | kzar | oldirty: I'm looking for something exactly like that though yea |
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| 08:14.52 | Delf | I'm running NAT on debian. How do I specify ip# for a domain address? |
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| 08:15.18 | Delf | so that google.com resolves into 192.168.0.1 instead of it's real ip# |
| 08:16.05 | Delf | I don't want the clients on the lan to be able to resolve certain dns addresses. How do I achieve this? |
| 08:16.48 | webad_13 | Delf: iptables ?... better check with ##networking |
| 08:17.05 | kzar | oldirty: (The issue I'm trying to check is \n's being replace with \r's and tee is just flat out adding newlines etc heh!) |
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| 08:20.23 | Lobs | ok, so i followd info given from here re upgrading from lenny to squeeze, i now have 175 packages not upgraded , do i need to manually update those? |
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| 08:21.41 | neil_ | I just did a net install of debian.. I hit the wrong keys ... and didn't install the GUI... what package do I need to install to get it? |
| 08:22.12 | nkuttler | neil_: depends on the gui you want |
| 08:22.55 | xyzp | -tour of life- |
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| 08:23.21 | neil_ | nkuttler, hang on a minute, and I will see if there is a preference. |
| 08:24.41 | neil_ | nkuttler, lets go with gnome. |
| 08:25.00 | nkuttler | !tell neil_ about install gnome |
| 08:25.14 | nkuttler | !tell neil_ about install x |
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| 08:32.56 | Pupeno_ | Is there a main or recommended way to build server appliances with Debian? |
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| 08:41.59 | DEBUNTU73 | Hi! Where can i ask/report BUGS best concerning Linux ACLs in combination with Samba ??? Didnt found a Linux ACL "Project". Any suggestions? |
| 08:43.02 | nsadmin | DEBUNTU73, under what os |
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| 08:43.13 | deepy | DEBUNTU73: maybe Samba would be a starting point if nothing else works out |
| 08:43.31 | deepy | They're probaly not the correct people but they may be able to point you in the right direction |
| 08:44.09 | DEBUNTU73 | deepy: roger that. thanks |
| 08:44.21 | deepy | DEBUNTU73: does it happen on Debian btw? |
| 08:44.29 | DEBUNTU73 | yep lenny |
| 08:44.39 | Lobs | ok, so i followd info given from here re upgrading from lenny to squeeze, i now have 175 packages not upgraded , do i need to manually update those? |
| 08:45.04 | nsadmin | DEBUNTU73, and what is your uname -r |
| 08:45.11 | deepy | DEBUNTU73: then you might have some luck in checking irc.oftc.net / #debian, it's the official chanel but it's very quiet compared to this one |
| 08:45.42 | deepy | But I'd see what nsadmin has to say before venturing further ;-) |
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| 08:45.54 | DEBUNTU73 | nsadmin: 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 08:46.14 | nsadmin | hmm, how do you get the acl stuff? |
| 08:46.32 | DEBUNTU73 | nsadmin: huh? dont get the question |
| 08:46.54 | Mmike | What do I use for caching .debs? I have to install 4+ virtualboxes with debian machines, and I'd like to somehow download the needed packages just once. Do I use apt-proxy, or? |
| 08:47.08 | nsadmin | how do you get acls to work |
| 08:48.25 | DEBUNTU73 | nsadmin: having a data volume mounted with ext3 fs, enabling ACL support in /etc/fstab. since its compiled/enabled in the kernel, this is pretty much anything to get it up working. of course u need to insall the getfacl and setfacl tools too. |
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| 08:52.38 | nsadmin | DEBUNTU73, I'm trying to figure what to report the bug to. lenny is still oldstable, so it's iffy for reporting it to debian |
| 08:52.43 | ethanol | I keep encountering the following line in auth.log: |
| 08:52.48 | ethanol | pam_limits(cron:session): Unknown kernel rlimit 'Max realtime timeout' ignored |
| 08:53.13 | DEBUNTU73 | nsadmin: whats "iffy" ? :) |
| 08:53.21 | nsadmin | unsure |
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| 08:54.20 | nsadmin | literally, similar in sense to "if" (hence "iffy") |
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| 08:55.17 | nsadmin | I'm not sure debian maints would listen to something only found in lenny |
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| 09:03.17 | kzar | oldirty: `stty raw; cat > filename` did the trick |
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| 09:05.33 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 09:05.52 | Bartzy | php-fpm is not compiled in debian's PHP (5.3.3) package ? :\ |
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| 09:06.51 | ethanol | aptitude install php5-fpm ? |
| 09:06.52 | ethanol | :p |
| 09:06.57 | themill | ethanol: you should try that |
| 09:07.06 | ethanol | themill: why should I? |
| 09:07.10 | ethanol | I have it locally |
| 09:07.21 | themill | Bartzy: we covered this just over 2 weeks ago |
| 09:07.22 | ethanol | oh wait, I'm on ubuntu here, my bad |
| 09:07.50 | ethanol | Bartzy: php-fpm != php |
| 09:07.52 | ethanol | :< |
| 09:07.59 | Bartzy | themill: Really ? I must be on drugs then :| |
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| 09:08.05 | nsadmin | Bartzy: get the debianized source and look for the ./configure invocation which might be in debian/rules |
| 09:09.15 | ethanol | why not just aptitude install php5-fpm ? |
| 09:09.28 | ethanol | I just checked on my debian server, it is there.. |
| 09:09.41 | Bartzy | ethanol: Are you using dotdeb ? |
| 09:09.44 | ethanol | no |
| 09:09.58 | ethanol | oh, it's in the unstable repo |
| 09:10.27 | Bartzy | you're probably using sid |
| 09:10.30 | ethanol | nope |
| 09:10.32 | ethanol | squeeze |
| 09:11.17 | ethanol | with some packages from testing and unstable. so mixed system :x |
| 09:11.29 | ethanol | some even from source (munin 2.x) |
| 09:12.00 | nsadmin | mixed isn't really recommended |
| 09:12.09 | ethanol | yes, well, stable is slow. |
| 09:12.27 | Bartzy | themill: So I should backport the entire php package and the php5-fpm package from sid (I'm using squeeze) ? |
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| 09:16.53 | themill | the build system for fpm should be in the debian packging already, just disabled. |
| 09:17.04 | themill | dpkg: tell Bartzy about package recompile |
| 09:17.05 | oldirty | kzar: groovy, i'll have to add that one to the memory banks :) |
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| 09:17.16 | deepy | How can I get lines 5 to 15 from a file? |
| 09:17.23 | Bartzy | themill: How do you know that ? Where do you look ? |
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| 09:17.44 | severnaya | deepy open in gedit, copy and paste |
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| 09:17.58 | deepy | severnaya: it's 180,000 lines |
| 09:18.04 | deepy | and I don't have gedit |
| 09:18.11 | ethanol | deepy: vim then |
| 09:18.18 | deepy | or X |
| 09:18.19 | sickgut | nano ? |
| 09:18.21 | severnaya | deepy good thing the lines you need are at the very beginning :) |
| 09:18.21 | hugopeixoto | you could do something like head -n 15 | tail -n 10 |
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| 09:18.37 | deepy | Hmm, that could work, thanks! |
| 09:18.42 | deepy | severnaya: they're very much in the middle |
| 09:18.46 | Bartzy | deepy: Use sed |
| 09:19.11 | Bartzy | deepy: sed -n 2,4p file |
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| 09:19.20 | sickgut | nano is the best thing in linux since my new movie codec based on gifs and midis |
| 09:19.23 | Bartzy | replace 2 and 4 with your lines |
| 09:19.31 | bassliner | hi there, i have a freshly installed system (debian testing weekly build) that hangs at gdm3 login screen (can't type anything, nor use mouse) - ssh login from remote still works but i don't see something weird in logs. any help? |
| 09:19.48 | deepy | Bartzy: thanks! |
| 09:20.10 | ethanol | bassliner: most likely video driver issue, try booting without it |
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| 09:20.34 | Bartzy | themill: ? |
| 09:21.13 | severnaya | deepy how is line 5 to 15 in the middle of 180,000? |
| 09:21.47 | nsadmin | that's not in the middle... |
| 09:22.00 | deepy | severnaya: I just took them as an example |
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| 09:22.52 | deepy | unless the tools are primitive and have java's approach to memory, the solution should be the same even if it's 10 lines or 100,000 millions. no? |
| 09:23.25 | ethanol | no. |
| 09:24.09 | deepy | Is that a fact or simply your opinion? |
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| 09:26.11 | nsadmin | probably most variable solutions are as good as any other |
| 09:27.05 | nsadmin | are you saying that you want to replace lines 5-15 (or two other -small- constants) every time? |
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| 09:27.35 | deepy | the sed solution worked fine :-) |
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| 09:30.02 | Bartzy | themill: How do I upgrade a package I recompiled ? I have to go over the same process, I won't be notified by aptitude upgrade that I need to upgrade, right ? |
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| 09:30.48 | nsadmin | well it would eventually replace the package |
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| 09:31.00 | Bartzy | nsadmin? Because the version will be higher ? |
| 09:31.17 | nsadmin | right |
| 09:31.36 | nsadmin | why did you recompile? |
| 09:31.36 | Bartzy | nsadmin: So I would want to pin my recompiled package to ensure it won't, right ? But then I won't be "notified" that a new version is avaiable ? |
| 09:31.48 | Bartzy | nsadmin: I need php-fpm, which is not compiled by default. |
| 09:32.00 | nsadmin | I'm not sure how the whole pinning thing works |
| 09:32.15 | johndoevodka | how do i stop aptitude from complaining "The following packages have unmet dependencies: arduino: Depends: librxtx-java (>= 2.2pre2-3) but 2.2pre2-2 is installed." |
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| 09:34.43 | nsadmin | johndoevodka: install the required packages |
| 09:35.03 | johndoevodka | nsadmin: they are not available |
| 09:35.22 | johndoevodka | nsadmin: the package is installed from unstable, im on stable |
| 09:35.24 | nsadmin | therefore you're not running stgable |
| 09:35.41 | johndoevodka | nsadmin: because the version in stable is not working |
| 09:36.02 | nsadmin | err actually you're trying to mix, which would break your system |
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| 09:36.06 | johndoevodka | no |
| 09:36.18 | MrFrood | !ssb |
| 09:36.18 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 09:36.20 | johndoevodka | i just want a simple answer |
| 09:36.37 | johndoevodka | how do i make aptitude stop complaining about that package |
| 09:36.41 | johndoevodka | something like force hold? |
| 09:36.46 | nsadmin | simple answer DO NOT install sid packages on stable |
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| 09:37.17 | johndoevodka | and what if the stable package isnt working? |
| 09:37.19 | nsadmin | otherwise you create the start of a mixed system |
| 09:37.35 | severnaya | nsadmin how can i get my windshield wipers to stop squeaking? simple answer DO NOT drive a car |
| 09:37.59 | nsadmin | severnaya: don't turn them on when it's not raining |
| 09:38.03 | johndoevodka | severnaya: go troll someone else, im being real |
| 09:38.04 | MrFrood | johndoevodka: see the above message from dpkg |
| 09:38.13 | johndoevodka | MrFrood: thanks |
| 09:38.41 | nsadmin | you could cover your ears... oh, wait, that's illegal |
| 09:39.36 | Bartzy | anyone knows how to handle upgrades when I recompile a debian package ? |
| 09:39.44 | Miesco | man quake4 graphics suck |
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| 09:41.57 | nsadmin | johndoevodka, the other solution would be to try recompiling thepackage from sid sources |
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| 09:43.03 | MrFrood | points nsadmin at the previous message from dpkg |
| 09:43.10 | nsadmin | then the binaries would link against squeeze libs, and the dependencies would be adjusted to use squeeze stuff. |
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| 09:43.21 | oldirty | is anyone familiar with a tool that can tell me whether an image is mostly light or mostly dark? |
| 09:43.31 | nsadmin | MrFrood, well aware, thanks :) |
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| 09:43.57 | CloudySunshine | How do I force the squeeze installer to not go graphical? |
| 09:44.10 | MrFrood | oldirty: an eyeball..? |
| 09:44.14 | jargon- | is there a way to get apt to recognize wildcard,so i can remove pkgs en masse? |
| 09:44.34 | oldirty | i have a python wallpaper randomizer script, but i want to be able to tell it to match my existing theme :P |
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| 09:45.07 | nsadmin | and in total, the rebuilt package would not cause your system to break and your installed package database to break |
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| 09:46.10 | oldirty | i found something similar for PHP, but it seems like I might be trying to re-invent the wheel |
| 09:47.41 | oldirty | MrFrood: you are such a kidder :) |
| 09:48.02 | MrFrood | oldirty: :) |
| 09:48.45 | bassliner | ethanol: video driver issue? i mean i simply installed a system, not being able to log in to a freshly installed system seems like a slightly dramatic bug to me. |
| 09:48.59 | MrFrood | oldirty: can't give any specific help but I'd be looking through the imagemagik documentation if I was you |
| 09:49.34 | oldirty | MrFrood: that was my first thought, but an initial scan of google didn't make me think IM was the way to go |
| 09:49.40 | oldirty | i'll give it another ogle :) |
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| 09:52.48 | bassliner | oldirty: you could try to check what gtk theme is currently active, and parse the gtkrc for that theme. |
| 09:52.57 | bassliner | oldirty: that indeed should work. |
| 09:53.08 | bassliner | oldirty: also you should be able to create colour trends for a specific image |
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| 09:53.29 | bassliner | oldirty: thus being able to find the closest match in colours, to a specific set. |
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| 09:54.01 | bassliner | oldirty: seems like an interesting wallpaper changer hack indeed. :) |
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| 09:54.54 | oldirty | i'll toss it on paster when i get done if you're interested :) |
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| 09:55.34 | oldirty | just in case you run into another maniac with a similar question, this link is quite helpful : http://www.fantascienza.net/leonardo/ar/py_img_proc/index.html |
| 09:55.51 | bassliner | oldirty: i've made a wallpaper randomizer as well and i'd put in on a pastebin as well if you want |
| 09:56.18 | oldirty | what ya got? |
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| 09:57.09 | babilen | oldirty: Are you looking for python libraries or a general program .. One direction of search for you is "Image Classification" and you might find software like http://www.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~maree/pixit.html (no idea if this is good) |
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| 09:59.41 | em | How is it going folks? |
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| 10:00.52 | em | i would like to attain a level of expertise in some aspect of Linux. Is there some problem, or topic area that would be most useful/respected that I could concentrate on here? |
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| 10:01.42 | ksk | em: why not choose something youre interested in? |
| 10:01.53 | oldirty | babilen: that looks pretty cool, but I think the PIL parser is a bit more practical for my tiny little script :D |
| 10:03.15 | Bartzy | anyone knows how to handle upgrades when I recompile a debian package ? |
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| 10:05.46 | oldirty | Bartzy: handle them how? |
| 10:06.15 | oldirty | Bartzy: also, how bizarre of a recompile are we talking? |
| 10:06.26 | em | ksk: well im sort of at the stage of picking out something to be interested in. I thought it would be most cool to find something interesting that would also make me considered useful. |
| 10:07.12 | Bartzy | oldirty: I want to be notified when a new version of the package is out in squeeze (security updates etc), when I do aptitude upgrade... I don't want aptitude to install the new package, so I want my recompiled one pinned. |
| 10:07.37 | Bartzy | oldirty: I'm just enabling something in debian/rules. Adding php-fpm via -enable-fpm |
| 10:08.17 | oldirty | oh, can youjust pin it in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 10:08.34 | oldirty | I'm assuming no because you just said that basically, but gotta ask |
| 10:08.42 | MrFrood | Bartzy: just putting a hold on the package should do the trick |
| 10:09.21 | Bartzy | MrFrood: OK, and aptitude will notify me that there's a newer package but it won't install it due to the pinning ? |
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| 10:11.22 | MrFrood | use dpkg to hold it - if an update newer than the held package is made availabe after an upgrade with aptitude yo should see a message from aptitude saying that 1 package wa not upgraded |
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| 10:30.33 | Bartzy | MrFrood: Thanks. |
| 10:31.14 | MrFrood | np |
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| 10:34.30 | Bartzy | Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libc-client-dev |
| 10:34.33 | Bartzy | What that line means ? |
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| 10:36.13 | johndoevodka | ive solved my problem |
| 10:36.33 | johndoevodka | ive unpacked the .deb archive and i changed the required dependency |
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| 10:36.46 | johndoevodka | works like a charm |
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| 10:40.19 | MrFrood | Bartzy: means you need libc-client-dev (or a newer version of it) |
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| 10:40.33 | Bartzy | MrFrood: For what ? |
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| 10:41.24 | MrFrood | !tell Bartzy about build-dep |
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| 10:43.03 | Bartzy | MrFrood: So if I got that line while doing aptitude -R build-dep php, I need to take care of that ? Or it's just a warning ? |
| 10:43.40 | MrFrood | in most cases you would need to take care of it |
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| 10:46.03 | MrFrood | the only real way to know is try a compile and see if it crashes out :-/ |
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| 10:52.06 | Bartzy | themill: FPM is not in debian/rules at all in squeeze. Do I need to just use --enable-fpm in the common configure line in debian/rules ? |
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| 10:57.25 | clauwn | hey there, i'd like to pre-configure a package that my package depends on, but i can't seem to find a way to do it. namely it's postfix where i'd like to choose "No configuration" because i'll be writing my own config files but i don't want debconf to display the dialog for postfix at all. can anybody help me? |
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| 10:57.43 | Seppoz | hello, please how would i set an sdcard to automount on debian |
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| 10:58.57 | MrFrood | !tell Seppoz about automount |
| 10:59.04 | Seppoz | thanks |
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| 11:00.48 | dgram | hey is there a way to create a line you can drop right into authorized_keys from the id_rsa key on a host? All tutorials i find suggest just appending id_rsa.pub to authorized_keys, although that may work its not what i want. I tried simply making an access line with the id_rsa.pub checksum but this seems to be wrong somehow; key_from_blob: can't read key type -- key_read: key_from_blob MIGdMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GLADCBhwKBgQ(..) |
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| 11:01.19 | MrFrood | no idea - you can get more info on each one by asking dpkg e.g. /msg dpkg halevt |
| 11:01.25 | dgram | the only line in authorized_keys looks like this ssh-rsa MIGdMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GLADC[snippet]ketdRi08vkt3FP7mKZ1FWYTM2O/HWUUotjG3mwIBJQ== enterprise-root |
| 11:01.52 | thewanderer1 | dgram: yes, you put public keys in authorized_keys, not private ones |
| 11:02.14 | em | if i wanted to learn about linux some area or some topic to become an expert in, what might i focus on in order to be most appreciated in channels like this? |
| 11:02.51 | dgram | I put the checksum value from this command; openssl rsa -in /root/.ssh/id_rsa -pubout -out /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub |
| 11:03.10 | thewanderer1 | em: you're asking what causes the most problems? graphical drivers/settings, firmware, and printers not working, in that order :P |
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| 11:03.53 | thewanderer1 | dgram: you should put the full contents of id_rsa.pub in the file |
| 11:05.11 | dgram | thewanderer1: i tried that too, but that seems like a simplification to me.. im used to having several users in one file and this would make it hard to read |
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| 11:05.30 | kzar | What's the easiest way to send a binary file over serial to a device? I've tried picocom which connects ok but file sending is failing |
| 11:05.31 | dgram | it just didnt recognize the key when i tried this anyway |
| 11:05.33 | thewanderer1 | dgram: that's why you have the last field - yes, it's "comment" |
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| 11:06.01 | thewanderer1 | dgram: maybe the permissions were wrong |
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| 11:06.24 | em | thewanderer1: are those problems that a person could become an expert in such that they could fix problems for others in a channel like this? Or are those problems just intractable things that reflect limitations in Linux as it currently exists? |
| 11:07.14 | oldirty | dgram: you might be under-simplificating reading the authorized_keys file. try awk '{print $3}' |
| 11:07.15 | thewanderer1 | em: they can always be fixed, but take experience, and they are fields where dry theory and manuals seldom help |
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| 11:08.39 | thewanderer1 | any idea if it's possible to compile a driver, distributed as a module (with source), into the kernel? my kernel configuration has modules disabled. |
| 11:08.46 | em | thewanderer1: how does it work in practice then? I mean, what does help that is not dry theory or manuals look like in practice? |
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| 11:09.38 | dgram | things not working according to spec |
| 11:10.07 | thewanderer1 | em: first, having graphics cards and making them work... struggling with printers (running Debian Testing, man learns a lot) and trying out new hardware often |
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| 11:10.38 | dgram | well looks to me like the pubkey is rejected because its the wrong format, i just dont get why right now because this server has been server/client with pubkeys for a while |
| 11:11.23 | thewanderer1 | dgram: maybe you've generated a wrong key format indeed... check what type of key ssh-keygen outputs. |
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| 11:11.55 | antivirtel | hello! Is it possible, if I have more than one eth card in my machine, and I connect from eth0 via ssh to central-host, than connect via ssh to a host on eth1? |
| 11:12.37 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: you mean, central machine has eth0 and eth1, and you want to use it as a "proxy"? |
| 11:12.55 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 yeah, you're right |
| 11:13.37 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: yes, it's possible, although keep in mind that lag2 = lag1+lag0 (which can amount to an unproductive connection) |
| 11:14.31 | antivirtel | thewanderer1, it is only lan, with based wlan (more desctiption: I want to connect these two networks... home and office network... I want to administrate both) |
| 11:15.13 | Jarvis_ | is bridging them is out of the question ? |
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| 11:15.44 | thewanderer1 | home and office networks don't like to be bridged :P |
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| 11:16.31 | Jarvis | true |
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| 11:16.59 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 ... I dont really know can I do that :$ |
| 11:17.14 | Jarvis | anyways you can bind to a specific address on the command line |
| 11:17.26 | Jarvis | ssh -b <localaddr> <remoteaddr> |
| 11:17.36 | thewanderer1 | well, go ahead, I always do sth like Home ---ssh----> router ---ssh-----> some host in office LAN |
| 11:17.48 | Jarvis | assuming they both have seperate IP's |
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| 11:18.37 | dgram | thewanderer1: yeah that was the case, i had to get a new one through putty as i couldnt get my existing private key formatted into the 'right' public key... anywa it works now, so on to the real challenge of making this work on a windows server <: |
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| 11:21.56 | krogon | debian recognized wrong architecture name, how to correct it? |
| 11:21.56 | krogon | # uname -r |
| 11:21.57 | krogon | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 11:21.57 | krogon | # dpkg -i xxx.deb |
| 11:21.57 | krogon | dpkg: error processing xxx.deb (--install): |
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| 11:21.58 | dpkg | krogon: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 11:22.30 | thewanderer1 | hehe, dpkg is getting smart :) |
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| 11:23.49 | Bartzy | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status ... make[1]: *** [sapi/fpm/php-fpm] Error 1 ... make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/php5-5.3.3/apache2-build' ... make: *** [build-apache2-stamp] Error 2 ... dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 |
| 11:24.12 | Bartzy | Why did I get this error ? Trying to dpkg-buildpackage php5, with --enable-fpm in debian/rules. |
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| 11:25.14 | Chotaz^W | Farmville doesn't work on my Squeeze Debian amd64 and my mom is driving nuts, how can I fix it? |
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| 11:25.55 | petemc | sit your mother down and have a good long talk with her |
| 11:25.58 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy: too little information |
| 11:26.06 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: What do you need ? |
| 11:26.24 | BenNZ | hi , just having a problem , i did an update no when i when i try to logout , i no longer get the option to reboot, suspend,hibernate or shut down any ideas on how to fix it? |
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| 11:26.33 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy: the complete build output, I suppose... or anything like 100 lines back |
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| 11:27.07 | Chotaz^W | petemc, I'm actually trying to figure this out for her, so I dont ahve to hear her cry over it anymore. |
| 11:27.12 | Chotaz^W | could it be flash problems? |
| 11:27.19 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/117723/ |
| 11:27.30 | Bartzy | Chotaz^W: Probably.. |
| 11:27.49 | Chotaz^W | what happens is the page loads and the game area just stays white, I then noticed this and similar things happen to anything flash related. |
| 11:27.58 | Chotaz^W | youtube works good, but buggy with some skipping |
| 11:28.13 | johndoevodka | what version of flash are you using? |
| 11:28.21 | Chotaz^W | johndoevodka, how can I tell? |
| 11:28.36 | wols | Chotaz^W: dpkg -l |grep flash |
| 11:28.55 | wols | also for iceweasel: about:plugins |
| 11:29.04 | Chotaz^W | ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
| 11:29.32 | thewanderer1 | Chotaz^W: now the same, but with gnash, and later with swfdec instead of flash, ok? |
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| 11:29.44 | Iridos | hm, this example http://www.cssportal.com/css3-preview/demo/css-menu-ex1.html doesn't work with chromium in squeeze... is that a bug or is the chromium there just too old and doesn't support css3 fully |
| 11:29.45 | thewanderer1 | (free plugins often override non-free in Iceweasel as far as I can tell) |
| 11:29.56 | Chotaz^W | thewanderer1, gnash returned nothing |
| 11:30.10 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy: does "undefined reference" ring a bell? :P the source probably contains Debian patches and they might conflict with FPM, or you've included FPM but forgot about additional dependencies this causes. |
| 11:30.20 | Chotaz^W | thewanderer1, neither did swfdec |
| 11:30.35 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: How can I fix this ? I only know that I should add --enable-fpm to debian/rules configure line... |
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| 11:31.01 | thewanderer1 | Chotaz^W: so yeah, see about:plugins |
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| 11:31.05 | _KaszpiR_ | hey question: friend of mine got issue, server lost power during a storm, when server was back online it performed fsck, then later he made fsck in single user mode to fix errors |
| 11:31.05 | wols | Bartzy: you are missing some library it tries to link against |
| 11:31.25 | _KaszpiR_ | system shows that /var on separate partition is clean, yet system does not mount it on boot |
| 11:31.28 | joe6 | wwhat is the recommended/preferred gnome applet to monitor cpu temperature? |
| 11:31.30 | wols | Bartzy: how did you start it all? |
| 11:31.31 | Bartzy | wols: Why it doesn't say which one ? |
| 11:31.51 | wols | Bartzy: it cannot. it tells you the function names it needs to have, that's all it can know |
| 11:31.53 | Bartzy | wols: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us in the debianized source |
| 11:32.04 | Chotaz^W | Shockwave Flash |
| 11:32.05 | Chotaz^W | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.05 | Chotaz^W | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.05 | Chotaz^W | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.05 | Chotaz^W | MIME Type Description Suffixes |
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| 11:32.24 | Chotaz^W | im really sorry about that |
| 11:32.30 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy: are you missing apache dev packages? cause it looks like Apache2 API |
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| 11:32.52 | Chotaz^W | that's what I get in about:config when searching for 'flash' http://paste.debian.net/117725/ |
| 11:32.56 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: I don't want apache stuff at all.. I must compile it for php ? :\ I'm using nginx |
| 11:33.12 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: I did aptitude -R build-dep php5 .... |
| 11:34.15 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy: does it compile without FPM? |
| 11:34.29 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: Didn't check. Good check. I'll try. |
| 11:34.57 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: How do I clean the stuff dpkg-buildpackage did ? |
| 11:35.00 | Bartzy | just make clean ? |
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| 11:35.28 | wols | just run dpkg-buildpackage again |
| 11:35.35 | Bartzy | k |
| 11:36.50 | Bartzy | wols, thewanderer1: What apache has to do with a php package ? |
| 11:37.48 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy: PHP can be compiled as an Apache SAPI module, for which it needs the development packages containing the SAPI headers |
| 11:37.49 | Chotaz^W | thewanderer1, what should I do next? |
| 11:37.52 | Iridos | urgh... bash: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable ... what's my best option to find out what's wrong... I seem to have too many processes? (but cannot run ps or... anything) |
| 11:38.36 | wols | Bartzy: check the source package of this http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libapache2-mod-php5 notice something? a single source might compile to many different .deb files |
| 11:38.39 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: And debian's php package is compiling that Apache SAPI module in php5 default pacakge ? |
| 11:38.54 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy: I don't know, haven't compiled that |
| 11:39.10 | thewanderer1 | but it's likely as wols says |
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| 11:39.46 | wols | Bartzy: when you build your php package it will build many packages from the same source, basically ALL standard php5 packages which includes the apache2 mod |
| 11:39.48 | Bartzy | wols: So php5 source package includes libapache2-mod-php5 ? :\ |
| 11:40.04 | Iridos | huh, ok... console... don't seem to have too many... 173 processes limit is 350 |
| 11:40.14 | Bartzy | wols: OK, can I somehow ignore that apache package and not bild it ? |
| 11:40.16 | Bartzy | build* |
| 11:40.55 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy: since there is no "plumbing" in place yet for FPM in the PHP source package, I'd recommend that you compile it from the vanilla source by hand and make a package (checkinstall) |
| 11:41.45 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: :\ Should I backport sid's php5.3.6 (there's php5-fpm package in sid) |
| 11:42.49 | Bartzy | thewanderer1: Also, the vanilla source is just php (FPM is part of PHP as of 5.3). |
| 11:42.57 | wols | you probably get the same problem with the sid package, but it would be cleaner from a fpm standpoint to do the backport. |
| 11:43.05 | wols | or maybe check bpo |
| 11:43.11 | Bartzy | no backports... |
| 11:43.40 | Bartzy | wols: And there shouldn't be major problems when backporting a big package like php5 ? |
| 11:43.59 | Bartzy | But I would probably need to backport dozens of packages with it.. php5-mysql, php5-mcrypt, php5-gd etc etc... |
| 11:44.02 | Bartzy | It's not a good solution. |
| 11:44.20 | wols | php is not big. and there can always be problems. sid is a single blob of problems |
| 11:44.26 | Bartzy | I don't understand why --enable-fpm in debian/rules doesn't work ? |
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| 11:44.46 | Bartzy | :\ It seems like the compilation is going through without --enable-fpm |
| 11:45.02 | Bartzy | I just added it in debian/rules, maybe it needs to be added somewhere else ? |
| 11:45.05 | wols | Bartzy: have you tried without fpm and that compile worked? |
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| 11:47.24 | Bartzy | wols: It's compiling now, but seems like it passed the point where it last failed. |
| 11:47.26 | Bartzy | COMMON_CONFIG=--build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) \ |
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| 11:47.40 | Bartzy | I added the --enable-fpm in the COMMON_CONFIG (it's not all of it) |
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| 11:49.31 | Sose | should it work automatically if I just put a script in /etc/cron.hourly/ for example? |
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| 11:53.37 | Iridos | hm, could one of my other limits be the reason the machine cannot fork anymore? http://pastebin.com/PMhM9eW2 |
| 11:53.50 | Iridos | I thought everything was generous enough to not run into any problems |
| 11:54.04 | Iridos | indeed, I'm under 180 user processes and the limit is 350 |
| 11:54.54 | Iridos | vmstat prints 1 0 3864236 7892064 0 953784 0 0 0 0 932 1479 3 1 96 0 |
| 11:54.57 | Iridos | that seems ok, too |
| 11:55.10 | Iridos | (7892064 is "free") |
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| 12:05.25 | Iridos | mh increasing just data seg size led to immediate segfault of a test-instance of chromium in each case... increasing stacksize and max locked memory too made the process run |
| 12:05.26 | Iridos | hm |
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| 12:08.14 | BenNZ | hi , updated my system , now i cant shutdown, reboot, suspend,or hibernate, just logout, any ideas? |
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| 12:10.09 | Iridos | su to become root, then "shutdown -hf now"? |
| 12:10.33 | wols | BenNZ: what debian branch, how did you update, etc? |
| 12:10.55 | BenNZ | Iridos: i can shutdown in terminal , just not with the menu , |
| 12:11.16 | BenNZ | wols: sudo apt-get dist-grade , and im running squeeze |
| 12:11.16 | Iridos | there's about everything what's possible wrong with your question... |
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| 12:11.39 | Iridos | a) didn't even mention you mean from the login page (or the graphical user interface when logged in?) |
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| 12:11.49 | Iridos | b) didn't say from what to what your upgrade was |
| 12:12.00 | Iridos | c) didn't say what gui you're trying to shutdown from |
| 12:12.01 | BenNZ | Iridos: sorry yes i should of said |
| 12:12.30 | BenNZ | Iridos: trying to shutdown from the menu , im running xfce with slim instead of gdm |
| 12:12.31 | Iridos | I probably don't know anyway, because those gui things are tricky to find out... but... no chance at all if we have to guess :) |
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| 12:16.20 | Iridos | never used slim (or xfce)... update from where to where? |
| 12:16.21 | wols | not totally tricky. just start X from a terminal with startx and not a displaymanager |
| 12:16.32 | wols | BenNZ: what did you run before the dist-upgrade? |
| 12:16.38 | Iridos | did you check the bug tracking system? |
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| 12:17.46 | BenNZ | wols: ok ill try logging in that way |
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| 12:18.29 | BenNZ | Iridos: i found somethin about not being a member of powerdev , so i added myself to that , but still no joy |
| 12:18.52 | wols | BenNZ: for groups added to work, you need to logout and login again |
| 12:19.01 | wols | you can then check with the "id" command |
| 12:19.25 | BenNZ | wols: yeh i did that to no avail |
| 12:19.26 | Iridos | well, he needs to do that anyway if he tries to shutdown from some menu |
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| 12:19.52 | Iridos | I still wonder from what you upgraded to what |
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| 12:22.08 | BenNZ | Iridos: i had alot of updates , but things like xfce , grub got upgraded |
| 12:22.41 | wols | BenNZ: what debian did you run before the upgrade`? |
| 12:22.54 | BenNZ | wols: squeeze |
| 12:23.31 | wols | BenNZ: uname -r |
| 12:24.28 | BenNZ | wols: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:26.25 | BenNZ | wols: if i use startx from terminal i have the options to reboot , shutdown and restart, is it possible to get them working when i use slim , i tried installing gdm but they dont work with that either |
| 12:26.36 | Iridos | so that were just security/bugfix updates for squeeze? or were you going to testing? |
| 12:27.26 | BenNZ | Iridos: i was only going to do security/bugfixes , but looks like it has updated to wheezy |
| 12:28.03 | BenNZ | sorry only just saw that |
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| 12:30.35 | wols | duh! |
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| 12:31.55 | BenNZ | wols: anyway to fix it? |
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| 12:32.33 | wols | yes. reinstall squeeze. or wait until it gets fixed in testing, or get out a compiler and fix it yourself. those are approx the choices you have |
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| 12:33.00 | BenNZ | wols: ok is it a common issue with wheezy? |
| 12:33.03 | matias | Hello |
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| 12:33.22 | matias | do you know any Firefox repository for Debian in case I want to install it from there? |
| 12:33.42 | streuner_ | !iceweasel |
| 12:33.42 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 12:34.04 | wols | matias: mozilla.debian.net |
| 12:34.18 | wols | still down it seems |
| 12:34.23 | jackweb | Hello! I am not sure if my message was sent successfully so I am repeating myself - how to store changes in network-admin after reboot? |
| 12:34.35 | matias | I know streuner_, the problem is that Iceweasel is not yet 3.6 and I can't upgrade Firebug so I'm having problems u.u |
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| 12:35.09 | matias | 3.5.19 is the last release you can install from testing |
| 12:35.26 | jackweb | When I reboot - there are no DNS servers - I have to write it manually |
| 12:36.00 | webad_13 | jackweb: can you make the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces instead of using network admin |
| 12:36.30 | jackweb | webad_13: ok, I'll try |
| 12:39.23 | jackweb | webad_13: dns-nameserver line in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:40.28 | webad_13 | jackweb: "dns-nameservers" and then just list them, separate with space |
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| 12:41.01 | dokma | hey guyz... is there a simple way to setup one account that could be used only for anonymous uploads to server? |
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| 12:41.12 | dokma | I would like this account not to be able to login |
| 12:41.36 | dokma | or browse anywhere outside it's home directory |
| 12:42.07 | mango | hi, I have a dell xps m1330 with debian squeeze installed on it...I could not get any the wifi card to work on it...any help please |
| 12:42.09 | mango | ? |
| 12:42.33 | RichiH | mango: did you look for firmware issues? |
| 12:42.40 | RichiH | lspci |
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| 12:42.49 | RichiH | then find out if you need to install firmware packages for that |
| 12:42.53 | mango | RachiH: the card is Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
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| 12:43.27 | jackweb | webad_13: thanks :) |
| 12:43.30 | babilen | !bcm4312 |
| 12:43.31 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> as of Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Lenny users, see <bcm4312 lenny>. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 is a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 12:43.51 | babilen | mango: Please give us the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
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| 12:45.43 | mango | babilen: 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
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| 12:47.41 | smhar | I have a squeeze computer just before it got stabilized which was not updated for a while. Now I got a new squeeze install dvd. how can I use it to update my computer to reduce my downloads? |
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| 12:47.55 | babilen | mango: Ok, please read what dpkg just said, install the firmware (if not done already) and run "modprobe -r b43 ; modprobe b43 ; dmesg | tail -12" and paste the output as well as the output of "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" |
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| 12:48.08 | babilen | mango: You might also want to read the wiki page referenced in there |
| 12:48.39 | mango | babilen: thanks a lot ...and thanks for everyone...I will keep you infromed |
| 12:48.59 | babilen | mango: Paste to http://paste.debian.net please :) |
| 12:49.11 | mango | sure...will do |
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| 12:51.49 | harpal | I couldnt find ntop in squeeze repository. where should I look at? |
| 12:52.28 | babilen | ,versions ntop |
| 12:52.28 | judd | Package ntop on i386 -- lenny: 3:3.3-11+b2; squeeze-backports: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3+b1; wheezy: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3+b1 |
| 12:52.38 | babilen | harpal: Get it from backports -- /msg dpkg bdo |
| 12:52.56 | harpal | babilen: is it fine to use backports? |
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| 12:53.03 | babilen | harpal: sure |
| 12:53.20 | babilen | !backports |
| 12:53.20 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 12:55.39 | RIMAL | ;-) |
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| 12:59.30 | RIMAL_ | i am sorry |
| 12:59.35 | kbar | l0l |
| 12:59.48 | RIMAL_ | some problem occuring in my empathy |
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| 13:02.05 | harpal | babilen: I am getting error about Public key not found |
| 13:02.32 | wols | harpal: then you need to read the instructions more carefully. and learn what an error is |
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| 13:03.19 | harpal | wols: GPG error, Where should I get backport gpg public key? |
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| 13:03.58 | wols | !error |
| 13:03.58 | dpkg | user error at console, abort, retry, fail? See also <don't work>, <errors>. |
| 13:04.03 | wols | grah |
| 13:04.07 | wols | harpal: what error exactly? |
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| 13:04.56 | smhar | how to add an install dvd into my squeeze sources so I can use it to update my system? |
| 13:05.39 | wols | smhar: man apt-cdrom |
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| 13:06.02 | harpal | wols: GPG Error: http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
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| 13:06.35 | smhar | thanks wols |
| 13:06.40 | wols | harpal: what debian are you running? |
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| 13:07.37 | harpal | wols: I am running lenny, and configured apt to squeeze and want ntop from squeeze-backports |
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| 13:08.26 | babilen | harpal: Ah, no you can't use squeeze-backports for lenny. I would strongly recommend to upgrade to Squeeze -- follow the release notes. |
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| 13:08.51 | wols | harpal: when you run lenny, you cannot install squeeze backports but only lenny backports |
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| 13:09.15 | harpal | I want to get packages and its dependencies |
| 13:09.17 | babilen | That being said, ntop is in lenny's repositories. Why don't you install it from there? |
| 13:09.27 | babilen | ,versions ntop |
| 13:09.27 | judd | Package ntop on i386 -- lenny: 3:3.3-11+b2; squeeze-backports: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3+b1; wheezy: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3+b1 |
| 13:09.58 | wols | harpal: short answer, whatever you want, as long as you run lenny, the squeeze-backports won't work for you |
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| 13:10.18 | harpal | wols: ok, |
| 13:10.52 | wols | as babilen suggested; upgrade to squeeze. better anyways |
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| 13:11.03 | Days` | Hello there, any snmp guru there ? :D |
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| 13:11.40 | webad_13 | is there a way to switch between screen session and real terminal? |
| 13:11.49 | webad_13 | while in screen |
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| 13:12.14 | Days` | webad_13: CTRL-A-D |
| 13:12.18 | wols | Days`: everytime someone poses a metaquestion, god kills a kitten |
| 13:12.20 | Days` | then reattach it ;) |
| 13:12.55 | Days` | well, it's seems the OID UCD-SNMP-MIB::memShared.0 (OID .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.4.13.0) no more longer exist since the version 5.4.3 of snmtpd |
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| 13:13.13 | Days` | can someone confirm that ? |
| 13:14.00 | Days` | this OID is for the Shared Memory |
| 13:14.10 | Days` | in lenny it was just working fine. |
| 13:14.17 | babilen | !enter |
| 13:14.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 13:15.52 | Days` | babilen: understood :) |
| 13:16.22 | webad_13 | Days`: detach and reatach destroys my layout (horzontal and vertical splits) |
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| 13:17.10 | babilen | Days`: Great, it is just much easier to read when what you are saying doesn't span multiple lines. Unfortunately I can't confirm the issue ... |
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| 13:17.37 | eekboom | There are 5 second delays for each http request when users from _some_ networks access my machine (apache 2.2 on squeeze). Any ideas? |
| 13:17.43 | MrFrood | webad_13: use dvtm for splits |
| 13:18.07 | Days` | babilen: it's okay, thanks for trying ;) |
| 13:18.29 | wols | Days`: no dedicated snmp channel anywhere? |
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| 13:20.44 | babilen | wols, Days`: "/msg alis list *snmp*" comes up with #opensnmp and #net-snmp for users |
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| 13:21.26 | webad_13 | MrFrood: Days` I just read that it can be done with nested screen session... but that is too much for my head now :) |
| 13:21.59 | abrotman | eekboom: do they have their windows firewall on? |
| 13:22.44 | harpal | ,versions havp |
| 13:22.45 | judd | Package havp on i386 -- lenny: 0.89-1; sid: 0.92a-2 |
| 13:22.50 | nkuttler | eekboom: what's slow, resolving host or fetching? |
| 13:23.23 | Days` | wols: well, since the problem is related somewhat to the debian upgrade, i was trying here. |
| 13:23.37 | rockenrola | hi, I'm trying to boot through PXE, but I get "no dhcp or proxydhcp offers were received". If I boot with a livecd I get an IP. Any ideias? |
| 13:23.44 | wols | Days`: bugreport maybe then? |
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| 13:25.32 | eekboom | nkuttler: That's part of the problem: I can only ask non-technical web app users by phone who are on tightly secured machines in an enterprise network (e.g. no command line). |
| 13:25.54 | eekboom | On all machines that I have access to myself, all is fast. |
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| 13:26.15 | abrotman | eekboom: windows clients? linux clients? |
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| 13:26.45 | eekboom | Windows XP SP3 (using IE 6 (unfortunately)) |
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| 13:27.51 | nkuttler | eekboom: tell the network admin to give you proper access for debugging |
| 13:28.24 | abrotman | eekboom: can you tell a difference in the apache log? |
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| 13:29.49 | eekboom | nkettler: I'll try (unfortunately that quite difficult in such a secured environemtn (aerospace) |
| 13:30.52 | eekboom | abrotman: I had a look at the logs and saw nothing out of the line, but frankly, I am an apache newbie and don't know how to configure apacha2 to show more detailed logs than by default |
| 13:31.05 | Bartzy | how do I uninstall all the packages that aptitude build-dep some-package installed ? |
| 13:31.46 | abrotman | Bartzy: by hand |
| 13:32.01 | eekboom | I thought maybe a 5 second delay might ring some bells (like a default IPv6 timeout somewhere or such) |
| 13:32.07 | Bartzy | abrotman: OK, so how can I list those packages ? |
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| 13:32.59 | abrotman | Bartzy: aptitude search '~n -dev' perhaps ? |
| 13:33.03 | abrotman | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
| 13:33.27 | john3 | Hello. Im trying to use sudo apt-get. When the terminal asks me for the password i try both, the session one and the other one. It says that im not a sudoer. |
| 13:33.31 | Bartzy | abrotman: I want only the packagse that build-dep installed.. |
| 13:33.44 | nkuttler | eekboom: if you like guesses, my first thought was a broken nameserver |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | Bartzy: look through your logs .. or maybe look at the build-deps |
| 13:34.11 | Bartzy | abrotman: That's what I'm asking. Where should I look for the build-deps ? :) |
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| 13:34.29 | abrotman | Bartzy: in the rules file perhaps |
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| 13:35.11 | Bartzy | ok, thanks. |
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| 13:36.11 | Bartzy | abrotman: logs = /var/log/aptitude ? |
| 13:36.44 | stew | build-deps are in debian/control |
| 13:36.58 | abrotman | Bartzy: that's one log, the dpkg.log should have similar items |
| 13:37.03 | abrotman | stew: thank you |
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| 13:38.11 | Polysics | hello |
| 13:38.15 | Polysics | still having permission issues |
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| 13:38.29 | Polysics | shouldn't umask 022 create files as 664? |
| 13:38.35 | Polysics | no, wait |
| 13:38.37 | Polysics | i suck |
| 13:38.48 | john3 | me too |
| 13:39.05 | john3 | me too () |
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| 13:39.45 | john3 | *me too, the permision issues |
| 13:40.30 | abrotman | Polysics: try again |
| 13:40.37 | dokma | I have a file named just v in the root of my file system.... It looks really suspicious to me |
| 13:40.56 | dokma | I figured out that the first part of it is the executable of chgrp |
| 13:41.11 | dokma | any way to tell how that got there? |
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| 13:41.19 | Polysics | abrotman, i need more sleep :-d |
| 13:41.36 | abrotman | so go get it |
| 13:42.37 | dokma | I'm finding all sorts of executables concatenated in this one file in the root folder |
| 13:42.42 | dokma | it smells kind of fishy to me |
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| 13:43.52 | dokma | Could this be a poorly hidden root kit? |
| 13:44.03 | duderion | hi guys, i'm looking for a pci wireless card (low profile) thats running fine in debian 6 |
| 13:44.14 | petemc | dokma: do you have other users with superuser access? |
| 13:44.29 | wols | duderion: g or n? |
| 13:44.36 | duderion | doesnt matter |
| 13:44.43 | duderion | g fits |
| 13:44.48 | dokma | not as much as I can tell from /etc/passwd |
| 13:44.50 | wols | atheros g cards (5xxx) |
| 13:44.56 | dokma | but how to trust it if it's been compromised |
| 13:45.07 | duderion | do you have an example wols? |
| 13:45.13 | duderion | any card you found |
| 13:45.14 | frostschutz | dokma: if it's been compromised, you can't trust anything and have to re install from scratch |
| 13:45.23 | dokma | exactly my point |
| 13:45.31 | dokma | so how to even tell in the first place |
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| 13:45.38 | frostschutz | dokma: but it's possible to get odd files by "accident", for example when not using pipes correctly and writing stuff into files that does not belong |
| 13:45.42 | dokma | the only thing I can see is this strange file in the root folder |
| 13:45.57 | dokma | yes that might have happened |
| 13:46.03 | wols | duderion: mine is from tp-link |
| 13:46.09 | dokma | it's just that this file contains a bunch of elementary executables |
| 13:46.09 | duderion | cool |
| 13:46.16 | duderion | do you know the model ? |
| 13:46.17 | duderion | :D |
| 13:46.17 | secretary_linux | dokma: what does it look like this weird file does? |
| 13:46.26 | dokma | so it looks to me like it could be where the untampered binaries would be stored |
| 13:46.38 | petemc | dokma: my question was, is there anyone else can use that machine as root? if there isnt, then you would have to be very suspicious of files appearing in the root folder |
| 13:46.44 | secretary_linux | dokma: why would a rootkit store untampered binaries? |
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| 13:46.56 | dokma | noone but me has root access |
| 13:47.07 | dokma | and there is only ssh as a legit entry |
| 13:47.09 | petemc | had... |
| 13:47.28 | dokma | other things that are accessible are apache2 exim and dovecot |
| 13:47.43 | secretary_linux | any odd ports open? |
| 13:47.43 | petemc | what version of exim? |
| 13:48.00 | dokma | secretary_linux: well it makes sense to be able to see the real state |
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| 13:48.16 | dokma | for that you need untampered binaries, that's just my hunch |
| 13:48.27 | dokma | latest one in squeeze |
| 13:48.31 | secretary_linux | dokma: tampered binaries should still be functional and why would they all be in one file? |
| 13:48.33 | dokma | I'm up to date |
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| 13:48.40 | wols | duderion: TL-WN551G PCI ID 168c:001a but that's useless info since all makers of wlan cards change them basically monthly |
| 13:48.53 | dokma | secretary_linux: I'm not that into rootkits this is just my assumption |
| 13:48.59 | secretary_linux | dokma: what are the exact contents of this file anyway? |
| 13:49.07 | duderion | wols ok.... |
| 13:49.09 | wols | duderion: http://www.arlt.com/Sonderangebote/50-Fruehjahrsputz/Einzelstueck-Netzwerkkarte-PCI-54Mbit-wireless-TP-Link-TL-WN551G-WLAN.html for a picture |
| 13:49.10 | secretary_linux | i.e. what utilities does it look like are in it? |
| 13:49.13 | dokma | a bunch of elementary utils concatenated |
| 13:49.19 | duderion | you rock :D |
| 13:49.28 | dokma | stuff like chgrp chown cp and similar |
| 13:49.56 | secretary_linux | dokma: you recognize these files? |
| 13:49.57 | dokma | it's actually a tar archive |
| 13:49.58 | duderion | damn, it seems like it is no low profile card ;/ |
| 13:50.04 | dokma | I'll unpack |
| 13:50.14 | wols | duderion: low profile how exactly? |
| 13:50.52 | duderion | low profile cards have a bracket included to install it in mini pc's |
| 13:51.06 | wols | ah |
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| 13:51.16 | wols | can't you get a bracket elsewhere? |
| 13:51.33 | duderion | i think its sepcific, but i dunno exactly |
| 13:51.36 | thewanderer1 | can't you use an USB dongle, too? :P |
| 13:51.57 | duderion | thats abother possibility... |
| 13:52.00 | duderion | another |
| 13:52.10 | wols | worse reception tho |
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| 13:52.30 | wols | my PCI card is already worse than the intel 5100 in the lappy |
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| 13:52.46 | dokma | hmmmm.... I'm starting to get a feeling that this is a failed backup |
| 13:52.56 | dokma | but I have no clue how it ended here |
| 13:53.00 | mattp_ | hey guys. is there any way to make firefox do the right thing with UTF8 languages? |
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| 13:53.15 | mattp_ | when i go to google.jp characters show up as square boxes. not their proper glyphs |
| 13:53.34 | wols | mattp_: install the needed fonts? |
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| 13:54.04 | mattp_ | wols: how do i know what fonts i need? |
| 13:54.26 | dokma | yeah.. it's just a failed backup |
| 13:54.26 | thewanderer1 | dokma: something like: cd /; tar cf v archive.tar /bin /usr ..... :P |
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| 13:54.41 | wols | mattp_: debian has *jp* fonts for X IIRC, installed those? |
| 13:54.41 | thewanderer1 | note the bogus space :P |
| 13:54.46 | dokma | something along those lines |
| 13:54.58 | dokma | it probably happened when I was switching to rsync backup |
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| 13:57.47 | babilen | mattp_: I recommend otf-ipafont-gothic otf-ipafont-mincho and xfonts-intl-asian (or a subset of xftonts-intl-asian) -- You might also try the ttf- fonts |
| 13:58.24 | babilen | mattp_: The arphic fonts are nice for Chinese and baekmuk for Korean |
| 13:58.38 | wols | seems babilen's search-fu with apt-cache is stronger than mine :) |
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| 13:59.13 | babilen | wols: Well, I am working with CJK languages (mostly Chinese though) and OTF fonts are just great |
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| 14:01.45 | tp43 | How do you issue remote commands. How do you issue command "mplayer -fs movie.avi" on my desktop from my laptop. I tried telnet, and I could visit the directories, but when I would try mplayer, I get error |
| 14:02.21 | akerl | tp43: People still use telnet? ssh is your friend :) |
| 14:02.59 | MrFrood | akerl: telnet still has its uses |
| 14:03.17 | secretary_linux | MrFrood: no, not really, and certainly not for something like this |
| 14:03.17 | akerl | MrFrood: fair enough. |
| 14:03.20 | MrFrood | but in this case you are right in that ssh is better |
| 14:03.38 | themill | tp43: knowing what the error was might help. I'm guessing that you want to run the movie viewer on the desktop's screen, so "DISPLAY=:0 mplayer ..." would be better. |
| 14:03.43 | Justin-Case | My router per example, in the web interface you can't control the firewall but you can through telnet, for some absurd reason |
| 14:03.57 | MrFrood | secretary_linux: yes really (but yeah - not in this case) |
| 14:04.10 | secretary_linux | I'm just saying that telnet being used is not the same as telnet being useful |
| 14:04.33 | Seb | kerberized telnet ftw :) |
| 14:04.36 | Justin-Case | Telnet can be useful for chatting in classes |
| 14:04.48 | secretary_linux | yes, telnet is used everyday all over the world, but it's also sniffed, intercepted and hijacked everyday too |
| 14:04.53 | MrFrood | telnet can be useful |
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| 14:05.18 | Justin-Case | I doubt the teacher sniffs the network for telnet chatters |
| 14:05.19 | tp43 | themill, thanks!!! |
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| 14:05.54 | secretary_linux | Justin-Case: maybe not, but what if all internet traffic is parsed for certain words? |
| 14:06.12 | Justin-Case | secretary_linux: That is possible |
| 14:06.21 | secretary_linux | you have no way to be sure when you don't use encryption |
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| 14:06.35 | MrFrood | secretary_linux: one example of useful in an anomymous buliten board (no passwords to sniff) |
| 14:06.35 | mick_laptop | can someone recommend a good desktop switcher (I'm using the default for gnome atm) |
| 14:06.38 | lapsusbrutus | what was the command again for extracting readable data from no ascii files.. strings? or something like that? |
| 14:06.46 | secretary_linux | MrFrood: why is that more useful though...? |
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| 14:06.52 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: yes, "strings" :) |
| 14:06.57 | secretary_linux | MrFrood: my point is that there's nothing telnet is used for that ssh can't do better |
| 14:07.02 | mick_laptop | lapsusbrutus: yes strings |
| 14:07.07 | rockenrola | hi, I'm trying to boot through PXE, but I get "no dhcp or proxydhcp offers were received". If I boot with a livecd I get an IP. Any ideias? |
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| 14:07.14 | MrFrood | I didn't say more, just udeful |
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| 14:07.32 | lapsusbrutus | You know what package, cause not on my system it seems |
| 14:07.36 | Justin-Case | secretary_linux: You just send the chatting with rot13 encryption over the network and problem solved, maybe even rot26 if you really wanna send it in a secure way :P |
| 14:07.49 | mick_laptop | secretary_linux: telnet can send passwords over in clear text and ssh can't do that better :P |
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| 14:07.54 | tp43 | secretary_linux, is it same and as easy as, apt-get install #telnetd on server, telnet ip from client. |
| 14:08.13 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: 'apt-file search -x "bin/strings$"' |
| 14:08.13 | MrFrood | secretary_linux: telnet is good for no password stuff |
| 14:08.18 | secretary_linux | tp43: yeah, it pretty much is, except s/telnet/ssh |
| 14:08.20 | tp43 | secretary_linux, howto? apt-get install sshd; ssh ip? |
| 14:08.29 | secretary_linux | tp43: yes |
| 14:08.51 | tp43 | secretary_linux, cool, I am gonna make the switch then, cause ssh has more stuff to use eh? |
| 14:09.13 | v_v | unbelievable |
| 14:09.14 | secretary_linux | tp43: yes, it has far more features as well as being secure |
| 14:09.31 | tp43 | secretary_linux, ssh filecopy is faster. I don't know, can you do get filename.avi with telnet I think |
| 14:09.47 | mick_laptop | secretary_linux: and it is good to use when you have an owned windows box - sshd on windows can be a pain (there were a few bugs that were a pain to deal w/ a few years ago) |
| 14:10.13 | Justin-Case | mick_laptop: Does windows have an ssh daemon? |
| 14:10.15 | wols | mick_laptop: still is. can't find any decent sshd for windows |
| 14:10.24 | wols | Justin-Case: there are ports |
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| 14:10.26 | mick_laptop | that is what i thought |
| 14:10.27 | secretary_linux | you could always run sshd in cygwin |
| 14:10.37 | themill | is fairly sure this is #debian |
| 14:10.46 | secretary_linux | :) |
| 14:10.53 | mick_laptop | there was something on sf.net a few years ago - but it didn't work on win2003+ for some reason |
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| 14:11.16 | secretary_linux | is surprised windows users in #debian don't know cygwin? |
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| 14:11.30 | Justin-Case | secretary_linux: Are there windows users here? |
| 14:11.32 | mick_laptop | we said "decent" |
| 14:11.33 | themill | secretary_linux: that would imply knowing the operating system that cygwin is designed for |
| 14:11.34 | wols | secretary_linux: that's not the point. the point is what themill just said |
| 14:11.39 | mick_laptop | i doubt |
| 14:11.51 | secretary_linux | wols: fair enough I'm out of this one :) |
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| 14:12.10 | lapsusbrutus | never used cygwin. the real thing is much better Im sure :P |
| 14:12.14 | v_v | do you really need sshd for windows ? what's rdesktop for ? |
| 14:12.19 | mick_laptop | anyways, why even discuss telnet vs ssh? |
| 14:12.51 | wols | v_v: ever forwarder ports with rdp? or done one of the million other things ssh is awesome for? |
| 14:13.16 | v_v | wols: h,, that's not windows |
| 14:13.30 | wols | v_v: huh? |
| 14:13.35 | Justin-Case | But can you not just make up your own encryption and send that over ssh, I mean if what you send isn't that much big of a deal but you still wanna keep it secret like chatting |
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| 14:13.48 | mick_laptop | v_v: scp is one reason |
| 14:13.49 | Justin-Case | s/ssh/telnet/ |
| 14:14.00 | mick_laptop | tunneling etc |
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| 14:14.09 | wols | Justin-Case: you can use a null cipher with ssh. ie no encryption. every ssh implementation can do this |
| 14:14.25 | secretary_linux | why on earth would you invent your own encryption just so you can use telnet... |
| 14:14.36 | v_v | wols: ssh is surely cool. but you know , that's in linux/unix world. windows is complicated. they get plenty of things when they want. they don't even have a good shell |
| 14:14.45 | Justin-Case | secretary_linux: I don't know how I would make a chatting client and server with ssh |
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| 14:14.55 | mick_laptop | hey, we got off topic -- anyone know of a good virtual desktop switcher? |
| 14:15.00 | alyosha | hi, is it normal for 1TB disk to take about 10 minutes to format before first instalation |
| 14:15.01 | v_v | lol |
| 14:15.05 | alyosha | and it's stuck at 33% |
| 14:15.17 | Justin-Case | v_v: What are you talkin' |
| 14:15.18 | jhutchins_lt | alyosha: Ten minutes would be pretty fast. |
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| 14:15.22 | wols | mick_laptop: what is this? do you need a program to switch desktops for you? |
| 14:15.24 | mick_laptop | Justin-Case: just use ytalk |
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| 14:15.41 | alyosha | jhutchins_lt so it will take more than 10min? |
| 14:15.42 | mick_laptop | wols: my virtual desktops don't have names |
| 14:15.42 | Justin-Case | v_v: cmd.exe is super effective, the most flexible command line evr jk |
| 14:15.51 | Wicla | What're the prefered way to setup repository with customized packages (with apt pinning possible)? I've manage to setup one that works, when it's the only source availabe, but when the "complete" repository is available only the release residing there is used. Tried using "apt-get install package/custom" with custom being the release but it says the package isn't available in that release. Any hints? |
| 14:15.51 | jhutchins_lt | alyosha: Probably. |
| 14:15.53 | wols | jhutchins_lt: depends if it verifies. writing the few superblocks and such is fast, matter of seconds |
| 14:16.03 | alyosha | aaa it just finished:D |
| 14:16.09 | v_v | Justin-Case: cmd.exe is not super for me |
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| 14:16.20 | Justin-Case | v_v: jk = just kidding :) |
| 14:16.25 | v_v | Justin-Case: ) |
| 14:16.32 | jhutchins_lt | Guys, please take the windows discussion somewhere else. |
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| 14:20.01 | rgr | lol |
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| 14:21.11 | Seb | Wicla: try using something other than "release"; maybe by server name/url for instance ? |
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| 14:21.41 | Seb | Wicla: also note that "apt-cache policy <package-name> is the quickest way to see the result of your new pinning settings (no need to apt-get update in between edits) |
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| 14:24.19 | Wicla | Seb: both are residing on the same host. Are it possible to include "/debian-custom" part in origin-line as well? Thanks, didn't know about apt-cache policy. Hopefully going to save some time :P |
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| 14:25.19 | harpal | ,versions syslog-ng |
| 14:25.20 | judd | Package syslog-ng on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.9-4.1; lenny-backports: 3.1.1-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.1.3-3; sid: 3.2.4-1; wheezy: 3.2.4-1 |
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| 14:26.38 | dokma | I'm trying to setup chroot jail using a script from www.fuschlberger.net - make_chroot_jail.sh |
| 14:26.58 | dokma | after running 'make_chroot_jail.sh anon' as root |
| 14:27.04 | dokma | I get this on su anon |
| 14:27.26 | dokma | Unable to cd to '/home/anon' |
| 14:27.32 | Lanz | Hi guys. I'm having a problem with PulseAudio on sid where ZSNES, some flash videos in Firefox, and audacity have static when playing audio. I'm running KDE 4.6 on kernel 2.6.38. Anyone have any insights? |
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| 14:28.16 | dokma | this folder does exist in /home/jail/ and has permissions: 700 anon:anon |
| 14:28.41 | babilen | Lanz: Please come to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is the channel for wheezy/sid users |
| 14:28.57 | Lanz | Says [473] Lanz #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invite |
| 14:29.11 | babilen | Lanz: On irc.oftc.net |
| 14:29.32 | Lanz | K |
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| 14:30.39 | mattp_ | babilen: wols: that seems to have done the job! thanks |
| 14:30.39 | Seb | Wicla: not sure from the top of my head; check the apt pinning doc, or specify localhost if you come in through http ? |
| 14:30.56 | babilen | mattp_: marvellous, enjoy! |
| 14:31.47 | alyosha | mmm i remembered now that i should instal 64bit debian |
| 14:32.01 | alyosha | so i must downloadat that amd64 file? |
| 14:32.06 | alyosha | cuz i have amd?:D |
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| 14:33.14 | wols | alyosha: all 64bit compatible x86 cpus use amd64, no matter if they are from amd, intel or via |
| 14:33.27 | ectospasm | alyosha: "amd64" refers to AMD's backwards-compatible 64bit architecture. Unless you've got a true IA64 system, use amd64 |
| 14:33.30 | wols | just like all of them use i386 for 32bit |
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| 14:34.28 | alyosha | aha |
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| 14:34.38 | alyosha | so i must use this? |
| 14:34.38 | alyosha | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 14:34.53 | dokma | can anyone tell me how can a permission to execute /bin/bash be denied when permissions are 755 on /bin/bash ??? |
| 14:35.10 | wols | dokma: a shared lib bash needs doesn't exist |
| 14:35.24 | dokma | aaaa... I see |
| 14:35.35 | cutout | Hi, am trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze (server edition) but it is not workin it gives "0 upgraded, 0 updated ...etc." |
| 14:35.36 | wols | alyosha: yes |
| 14:35.37 | dokma | I guess I need to find out all the deps |
| 14:35.43 | cutout | can anyone help me please? |
| 14:35.44 | alyosha | wols tnx |
| 14:35.57 | wols | cutout: pastebin your sources.list |
| 14:36.02 | stew | dokma: the partition is mounted noexec? |
| 14:36.14 | stew | dokma: if its a problem with the libs, strace would show you that |
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| 14:36.32 | dokma | this is chroot with a few files copied over using make_chroot_jail.sh. |
| 14:36.39 | dokma | but seems like it did not copy everything |
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| 14:37.03 | andantino | how do i install flash player in debian? |
| 14:37.07 | cutout | http://paste.ubuntu.com/611872/ |
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| 14:37.46 | v_v | cutout: you need squeeze if you want to upgrade |
| 14:37.49 | dokma | I'll need to copy strace to chroot then |
| 14:37.53 | dokma | thanks stew |
| 14:38.01 | stew | dokma: is the chroot on a partition mounted with exec? |
| 14:38.03 | wols | !tell cutout about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:38.05 | v_v | cutout: replace the 'lenny' with 'squeeze' |
| 14:38.08 | dokma | yes |
| 14:38.09 | cutout | v_v: small words please :( |
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| 14:38.32 | v_v | !tell v_v about lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:38.34 | wols | cutout: remove the volatile lines |
| 14:38.46 | wols | !tell v_v about selftell |
| 14:38.55 | cutout | wols: remove them and replace leeny with squeez? |
| 14:39.05 | v_v | cutout: sorry, what's small words ? im not good at english :) |
| 14:39.13 | wols | cutout: you see the word "lenny" several times in your sources.list? this word needs to be changed to "squeeze" |
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| 14:39.26 | cutout | thanks |
| 14:39.26 | wols | cutout: lenny with squeeze, yes |
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| 14:39.42 | wols | cutout: for the rest, follow the factoid dpkg just messaged to you |
| 14:39.57 | cutout | thanks |
| 14:40.22 | cutout | conatining "volatile" |
| 14:40.26 | cutout | sorry |
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| 14:40.31 | cutout | by mistake |
| 14:40.32 | dokma | it's trying to log to /dev/log |
| 14:40.40 | dokma | but obviously this does not exist in chroot |
| 14:40.51 | v_v | wols: got it |
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| 14:42.05 | Wicla | Seb: Doesn't seem to match the package at all using origin (or any other method so far). Can't wrap my head around how you brand a package to a specific release. This is the Release file currently used: http://pastebin.com/k3nU493s |
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| 14:42.51 | Seb | Wicla: try by suite or codename ? |
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| 14:47.15 | Wicla | Seb: Neither works. I must be doing something terribly wrong :p |
| 14:47.24 | Seb | most likely |
| 14:47.32 | Seb | try pinning all packages, maybe the problem is on the package name |
| 14:47.40 | Seb | start wide, and narrow it down as you go |
| 14:48.09 | Wicla | Already using * :/ |
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| 14:52.09 | andantino | what package do i need for adobe flash player? |
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| 14:52.34 | dvs | andantino: gnash is the free one |
| 14:52.37 | abrotman | !tell andantino about adobe flash |
| 14:52.39 | superlinux | hi. where should I find the details and the body of the fork() function of C++ ? |
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| 14:53.35 | andantino | i already have gnash but i cant view certain pages...they require adobe flash |
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| 14:56.07 | v_v | superlinux: i guess nowhere if you mean the linux fork . fork() should be in C and asm. get a copy of kernel source and you can find it |
| 14:56.19 | v_v | andantino: try flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:56.23 | superlinux | v_v, ok |
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| 14:56.48 | andantino | doesnt work...says that the package may be obsolete or may be renamed |
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| 14:57.28 | andantino | could i get it as an add-on in iceweasel? |
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| 14:57.37 | themill | andantino: what version of debian is this? |
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| 14:58.24 | andantino | i believe it is the latest |
| 14:58.28 | andantino | i dont know the name |
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| 14:58.53 | themill | !show sources.list andantino |
| 14:58.53 | dpkg | andantino: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 15:00.05 | andantino | # |
| 15:00.06 | andantino | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1a _Squeeze_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1$ |
| 15:00.06 | andantino | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1a _Squeeze_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 $ |
| 15:00.06 | andantino | deb http://mirror.its.dal.ca/debian/ squeeze main |
| 15:00.06 | andantino | deb-src http://mirror.its.dal.ca/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 15:00.22 | Cube`` | hey guys |
| 15:00.25 | Cube`` | guys, how do i connect to previously used wireless networks using the command line only without having to type in passwords but using the ones that are saved anyways just like the GUI NetworkManager (the nm-applet) in particular uses? |
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| 15:01.12 | jhutchins_lt | Use the console interface for network manager. |
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| 15:01.37 | Cube`` | jhutchins_lt: cnetworkmanager? |
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| 15:02.31 | Cube`` | ye im using that right now, but i have to type everything from the beginning all the time, like "cnetworkmanager -C SSID --wpa-pass=PASSWORD" |
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| 15:08.38 | smhar | wols, I did a 'apt-cdrom -d /media/cdrom add' : that is where the dvd is mounted. and then aptitude upgrade but got this error: Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20110205-17:27' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press [Enter]. |
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| 15:10.04 | wols | smhar: what is the sources.list line? |
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| 15:10.56 | smhar | wols, this is what was added automatically: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20110205-17:27]/ squeeze contrib main |
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| 15:16.38 | Iridos | is there a way to see how much of ulimit // security.conf resources I'm using in my current session? |
| 15:16.48 | Iridos | err |
| 15:16.50 | Chotaz^W | http://apps.facebook.com/zombielane/SendGift?gid=Shotgun&recipient=100000390545298 |
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| 15:16.56 | Iridos | security/limits.conf |
| 15:17.05 | Iridos | well done that man |
| 15:17.12 | Iridos | or bot |
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| 15:20.02 | Starman83 | Hey guys |
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| 15:20.26 | Starman83 | Just a quick question: Is there a linux tool that will check for data corruption errors on hard disks (preferably without destroying data on them)? |
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| 15:20.59 | _joey | I have a directory of pdf files. I want to grep through for a keyword |
| 15:21.04 | Iridos | does that mean you want a quick answer, too, or a kind of regular answer that is somewhat useful? |
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| 15:21.22 | Iridos | _joey, there's pdfgrep... |
| 15:21.26 | cosmos2 | Hello |
| 15:21.27 | Starman83 | Useful would be really great |
| 15:21.28 | petemc | _joey: do the pdf files contain parsable text? |
| 15:21.37 | smhar | wols, which looks the same to me |
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| 15:22.09 | cosmos2 | mounting failed:debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 15:22.34 | Iridos | Starman83, "all depends" hdparm/sdparm can read the SMART record of the disk and each filesystem has its own tools to check consistency... |
| 15:22.41 | cosmos2 | on intel tiger and tiger ppc (downloading for burning cd) |
| 15:23.02 | Starman83 | My problem is probably chipset/SATA related |
| 15:23.11 | sdgefh | hi, i'm trying to use svn to develop a web application with a couple of friends, i have created the svn project but how can i make the trunk folder available to apache, say in /var/www so we can see the changes we make |
| 15:23.12 | sdgefh | thanks |
| 15:23.28 | mango | hello again, I have just got help from the guys here over my wifi card b43 on a laptop dell xps m1330...it has worked fine at the beguining but after an upgrade I can not get it to work...any help please |
| 15:23.29 | mango | ? |
| 15:23.39 | Starman83 | As several disks in that system produce data corruption if really big files are transfered, I am just searching for a method to test it quickly |
| 15:23.54 | Starman83 | So I can test with different chipset drivers |
| 15:24.02 | themill | ,info websvn |
| 15:24.04 | judd | Package websvn (vcs, optional) in squeeze/i386: interface for Subversion repositories written in PHP. Version: 2.3.1-1; Size: 250.8k; Installed: 1492k; Homepage: http://websvn.tigris.org/ |
| 15:24.06 | themill | sdgefh: ^^ |
| 15:24.08 | Iridos | Starman83, consider asking a question that is not so quick but describes the whole problem... /msg dpkg sicco and /msg dpkg ask |
| 15:24.10 | Iridos | :) |
| 15:24.35 | cosmos2 | Why i386 squeeze iso failed to mount? |
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| 15:24.44 | Iridos | Starman83, possibly using bonnie/bonnie++ ... |
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| 15:25.25 | Iridos | Starman83, (apt-cache show bonnie++ to see what it does) |
| 15:25.29 | Starman83 | thanks iridos, will check that out |
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| 15:25.42 | Starman83 | this might just be the solutoin |
| 15:25.48 | Iridos | it's not really there to check for corruption, but for performance |
| 15:25.48 | sickgut | mount -o loop isoname.iso /dirname <----- is this how you tried to mount the iso? |
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| 15:26.09 | Iridos | oh, gorn |
| 15:26.39 | sickgut | that message was in reply to cosmos2 |
| 15:26.48 | smhar | wols, the only difference is the mounting point. why would apt ask about the CD in /cdrom while it is mounted at /media/cdrom1 ? |
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| 15:27.29 | dokma | I'm just going through su.c trying to figure out why it fails executing bash |
| 15:27.30 | cosmos2 | sickgut: no, I dounload the iso on OSX to burn it with disk utility (like I always done before, succesfully) |
| 15:27.35 | dokma | but it ends up going into shell.c |
| 15:27.44 | dokma | which I cannot figure out from which package is that.... |
| 15:27.45 | cosmos2 | download |
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| 15:28.13 | dokma | anyone knows from where is the call: shell(shellstr, cp, environ); |
| 15:28.27 | dokma | where is the source of this function shell ??? |
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| 15:28.44 | sickgut | so cosmos2 why do you need to mount the iso? cant you just use your burning program in osx to burn the iso image to a cd or dvd? |
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| 15:29.13 | mango | I have a dell xps m1330 laptop...I installed debian squeeze on it...the wifi card worked well after installing firmware-b43-installer on it and modprobed b43...but after an upgrade it no longer works allthough the light is switched on for the wifi...any helps please |
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| 15:29.32 | sickgut | mango you upgraded the kernel? |
| 15:29.46 | cosmos2 | sickgut: I've tryied also to burn it directly but the cd fails to boot (bios set on cd first) |
| 15:29.50 | dokma | is there a way to search the content of source packages? |
| 15:30.23 | sickgut | if so then your driver/ firmware that you added in the previous kernel version will not work, you will have to do the same to the new kernel |
| 15:30.24 | mango | sickgut: all I did is apt-get upgrade |
| 15:30.56 | karlpinc | mango: Did you do an 'update' first? |
| 15:30.59 | sickgut | mango if thats the case then you still need to re add your firmware thing you did before but for new kernel |
| 15:31.14 | mango | sickgut:yep |
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| 15:32.04 | sickgut | coz your system is not using the old kernel you added the driver or firmware you see |
| 15:32.11 | mango | sickgut: I can see the wifi card when I do iwconfig & ifconfig |
| 15:32.20 | sickgut | its using new kernel so you need to re add it and do your mod probe things |
| 15:32.22 | sickgut | k |
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| 15:32.33 | cosmos2 | sickgut: ok, I've burnt the iso (without mounting it, because of the mount failure) on a macbook. Now I'm burning it on a iBook to debug. |
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| 15:32.57 | karlpinc | sickgut: All that _should_ be taken care of by apt when he did an upgrade. |
| 15:33.15 | mango | I have removed the firmware-b43-installe and re-installed it and removed b43 then modprobed it again....but no luck |
| 15:33.19 | cosmos2 | sickgut: the purpose is to install squeeze on a...ibm 380XD |
| 15:33.25 | mango | but still see the card though |
| 15:33.36 | cosmos2 | 233MHz, 64Mb Ram |
| 15:33.38 | karlpinc | mango: What's in your sources.list? Are there non-debian sources? |
| 15:33.53 | sickgut | cosmos2 why do you try to mount the iso first> |
| 15:33.54 | mango | karlpinc: yes |
| 15:33.58 | karlpinc | !tell mango about paste |
| 15:34.01 | sickgut | are you trying to copy the files from it? |
| 15:34.13 | sickgut | coz burning the iso without moiunting it would be better |
| 15:34.22 | karlpinc | mango: The non-debian stuff is breaking it then. |
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| 15:34.32 | cosmos2 | sickgut: on Osx? |
| 15:34.38 | mango | karlpinc: what should I do please? |
| 15:34.43 | mango | remove it? |
| 15:34.50 | mango | then reinstall it |
| 15:34.56 | mango | ? |
| 15:34.57 | sickgut | why do you try mounting the iso on osx before you burn it? |
| 15:35.14 | cosmos2 | sickgut: because it fails |
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| 15:35.26 | cosmos2 | on intel tiger and on ppc tiger |
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| 15:35.47 | karlpinc | mango: Why do you have non-debian stuff in your sources.list? |
| 15:36.05 | sickgut | i personally have tried one ISO and it didnt work then tried another and it did |
| 15:36.16 | mango | karlpinc: so to use skype! |
| 15:36.25 | sickgut | i dunno about it being corrupt i dunno |
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| 15:36.44 | mango | karlpinc: should I remove it? |
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| 15:36.56 | karlpinc | !tell mango about skype |
| 15:37.11 | cosmos2 | sickgut: where to download workable isos? I've download this one from Debian's official web site |
| 15:37.27 | Iridos | cosmos2, did you check the md5 sum of the iso to see if the download worked? |
| 15:37.31 | sickgut | do you have a md5 checksum with it? |
| 15:37.38 | cosmos2 | sickgut: no |
| 15:37.42 | sickgut | ok |
| 15:37.57 | sickgut | in all possibillity you cant rule out corrupt download at this point |
| 15:38.04 | mango | karlpinc: ok...I got it....I will remove and try again |
| 15:38.08 | karlpinc | mango: If it were me I'd remove it and do an "aptitude udpate". then use aptitude to remove "obsolete or ... packages". Then reboot. Then see if it works and then try re-installing skype. |
| 15:38.30 | sickgut | also older cdroms might not pick up on new cd-r media |
| 15:38.34 | mango | karlpinc: I will get back to you |
| 15:38.39 | mango | thanks |
| 15:38.45 | karlpinc | mango: It's hard to say. But it's more important to get the box to work. (I'll be gone.) Ask the channel. |
| 15:38.55 | karlpinc | mango: Just comment it out. |
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| 15:38.56 | sickgut | but if like you said the other isos you used did mount ok but this one didnt may very well = corrupt download |
| 15:38.59 | mango | karpinc: ok |
| 15:39.29 | Iridos | that's pretty crazy... can it really be that one can set limits with limits.conf or ulimit but not query how close one is to a certain limit? |
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| 15:39.42 | smhar | why would apt ask about the CD in /cdrom while it is mounted at /media/cdrom1 ? |
| 15:39.42 | cosmos2 | sickgut : from where to download a non corrupted squeeze iso then? |
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| 15:40.14 | sickgut | smhar is the /etc/apt/sources.list file make mention of the cdrom mountpoint? |
| 15:40.50 | Iridos | cosmos2, you got it from debian.org and that's fine... in the same directory you will find the md5sum... calculate the md5sum for your iso and compare to the one on the server |
| 15:40.51 | sickgut | cosmos2 hmmmm what country you in? |
| 15:41.12 | cosmos2 | sigkgut: france |
| 15:41.14 | smhar | !tell smhar about skype |
| 15:41.17 | smhar | sickgut, no |
| 15:41.54 | karlpinc | !tell smhar about selftell |
| 15:41.59 | karlpinc | smhar: FYI. |
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| 15:42.08 | dokma | is there a way to list functions from a library? |
| 15:42.16 | smhar | karlpinc, thanks |
| 15:42.38 | karlpinc | dokma: ldd |
| 15:42.54 | karlpinc | dokma: or ar, depending. (IIRC.) |
| 15:43.00 | dokma | karlpinc: do you know by any chance where is function shell() defined? |
| 15:43.12 | sickgut | smhar is there multiple mountpoints for the cdrom in /etc/fstab or/and /etc/mtab ? |
| 15:43.28 | mango | how do I use aptitude to remove obsolete or ...packages please? |
| 15:43.45 | sickgut | smhar if the issue is about getting it to work you can make a absolute link from /media/cdrom1 to /cdrom and it should work |
| 15:43.47 | karlpinc | dokma: You might try using strace to see just where your problem really is. It's not clear you're using the right approach. |
| 15:43.50 | dokma | karlpinc: ldd just list the library dependencies |
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| 15:43.59 | dokma | karlpinc: I used strace |
| 15:44.05 | dokma | then I compiled su with -g |
| 15:44.17 | dokma | now I'm debugging and can't find where this function shell is defined |
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| 15:44.46 | smhar | sickgut, yes, /media/cdrom and /media/cdrom1 but not /cdrom |
| 15:45.04 | tensorpudding | mango: what do you mean by "obsolete" |
| 15:45.08 | karlpinc | dokma: It should be defined in the headers that belong to the library, so if you've all the source installed you can grep there. (or use ctags/etags/etc.) |
| 15:45.26 | smhar | sickgut, where to put the absolute link? |
| 15:45.54 | unicstar | In debian 6, configuring a project, I got this error : checking for GNOMEVFS... configure: error: Package requirements (gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.6.0 ) were not met |
| 15:46.01 | unicstar | No package 'gnome-vfs-2.0' found |
| 15:46.20 | unicstar | apt-get install libgnomevfs2-0 didnt solve the problem |
| 15:46.21 | sdgefh | themill, do you know of any howto of how to set up all this? i'm really new to the concept |
| 15:46.22 | mango | tensorpudding: I have removed the nonfree word from my source list and did aptitude update... I was told to remove the any obsolete packages to get my wifi card going? |
| 15:46.26 | sickgut | smhar using your file manager drag your /media/cdrom1 icon to the / main filesystem dir and select make amsolute link |
| 15:46.30 | dokma | karlpinc: it's in prototypes.h |
| 15:46.33 | sickgut | then rename the link to cdrom |
| 15:46.34 | unicstar | which program I must install ? |
| 15:46.35 | tensorpudding | mango: told by what, exactly? |
| 15:46.48 | sickgut | this should effectively make /cdrom = /media/cdrom1 |
| 15:46.48 | dokma | do you have an idea how to locate the source package where I could get it's definition? |
| 15:46.50 | tensorpudding | mango: why did you remove nonfree? |
| 15:47.01 | joe6 | anyone tried uzbl? |
| 15:47.05 | tensorpudding | mango: if your wifi uses a nonfree driver that could cause problems |
| 15:47.06 | joe6 | any thoughts? |
| 15:47.07 | themill | sickgut: I'd hope that the package had a /usr/share/doc/$packagename/README.Debian to help with this. I've never touched that package myself. |
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| 15:47.53 | mango | tensorpudding: If it were me I'd remove it and do an "aptitude udpate". then use aptitude to remove "obsolete or ... packages". Then reboot. Then see if it works and then try re-installing skype |
| 15:48.02 | dokma | karlpinc: actually that is prototypes.h |
| 15:48.03 | sickgut | smhar you could also make a absolute link from /dev/cdrom to /cdrom too |
| 15:48.13 | mango | tensorpudding: I was told by karlpinc |
| 15:48.26 | sickgut | but just do either one not both |
| 15:48.42 | smhar | sickgut, do you mean a symlink: ln -s? |
| 15:48.48 | tensorpudding | mango: aptitude safe-upgrade might remove them |
| 15:48.49 | sickgut | yes |
| 15:49.08 | mango | tensorpudding: ok thanks. |
| 15:49.10 | sickgut | im used to using rox-filer and using right clicking on stuff to set it |
| 15:49.23 | sickgut | but ln in the a terminal will do |
| 15:49.36 | cosmos2 | sickgut: ok the good new is that the last burned cd of squeeze, booted on the IBM 380XD, and now the base system is installing... |
| 15:49.52 | cosmos2 | let's see if the wholw install will be ok |
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| 15:49.58 | cosmos2 | whole |
| 15:50.05 | mango | tensorpudding: I did it ...and no change of whatsoever...I will try rebooting now and see |
| 15:50.08 | sickgut | i bet it will |
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| 15:50.18 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.19 | tensorpudding | mango: what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
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| 15:50.59 | sickgut | cosmos2 so was it a bad download or you ended up burning a different iso? |
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| 15:52.17 | hugo___ | Hello! Im trying to replace getty with fgetty on Debian-60-squeeze-64-minimal. The reason is that i dont want so many tty's taking up memory. Does anyone know if i can edit the inittab as they say in http://beeznest.wordpress.com/2004/11/10/howto-use-fgetty-instead-of-getty-on-debian/ (date 2004) and probebly derived from http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/fgetty.htm |
| 15:52.39 | smhar | working. thank sickgut . although I should solve this in a better way... later |
| 15:52.42 | shirish | Hi all, does anybody know how to do booting via grub interactively/manually a kernel, what kernel option/parameter should I be passing in the grub 'edit line' |
| 15:53.04 | sickgut | np smhar |
| 15:53.15 | sickgut | its just a bandaid fix that |
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| 15:54.23 | jhutchins | hugo___: How much memory are your tty's using now? |
| 15:54.27 | drw | hello everybody |
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| 15:55.08 | drw | somebody to know How I can block ultrasurf with squid 2.6 with out block port 443 with iptables ? |
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| 15:55.31 | WiZ | shirish kernel vmlinuz root=/dev/sdX ro |
| 15:56.00 | hugo___ | jhutchins: VSZ 6*5928 and rss 6*148 (ie, not that much) |
| 15:56.22 | pixie79 | hi all, is there a way to make update debs, that require the original version be installed first, then the update only contain the files that have changed since that point? or a string of updates to each updated version only contains the changes, so effetivly you would install them all in order? |
| 15:56.41 | foetus | udeb? |
| 15:56.41 | shirish | WiZ: could you tell me of the line you quoted, what is normally there and what is to be changed ? |
| 15:56.50 | jhutchins | hugo___: I knock mine back to 2 consoles just to simplify the system, but I think further tweaking is pretty useless. |
| 15:57.06 | jhutchins | hugo___: If I need more I just use screen. |
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| 15:57.48 | cosmos2 | sickgut: the last downloaded iso was from debian.org, mounting the iso on OSX failed, but burning was ok, and now the installation looks to run properly |
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| 15:58.01 | hugo___ | jhutchins: thats what im trying to do, use only 2. However, i would not like to render the system unusable tweaking the inittab. Is it safe as instructed? |
| 15:58.11 | cosmos2 | I do not know why the error occured |
| 15:58.41 | unicstar | "apt-get install libgnomevfs2-0" and then "apt-get install libgnome-vfsmm-2.6-dev" solved the problem |
| 15:58.43 | sickgut | thats computers for you |
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| 15:58.55 | jhutchins | hugo___: How would you recover if it caused a problem? |
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| 15:59.09 | sickgut | they are evil and are out to get you and have a sould as black as coal |
| 15:59.14 | sickgut | soul |
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| 15:59.32 | shirish | Wiz: ? |
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| 16:00.14 | hugo___ | jhutchins: its just a vps and i have backups on web and database so i guess, a reinstallation. But this is something i would not choose to do on a weekday ;) |
| 16:00.44 | foetus | is packing kernels with tar7z.. |
| 16:00.57 | jhutchins | hugo___: What about if you make a copy of the existing inittab, then if it breaks you can just boot to something like a live CD or an installer in rescue mode and copy it back? |
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| 16:02.13 | twobitsprite | foetus: why? |
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| 16:02.41 | antivirtel | Jarvis, thewanderer1 - are you here? |
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| 16:02.52 | oldirty | what exactly would you need out of inittab? :O |
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| 16:03.12 | jhutchins | oldirty: He wants to play with the number of consoles. |
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| 16:03.45 | oldirty | oic |
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| 16:04.24 | hugo___ | jhutchins: well... Im not sure about that, though the suggestion seems fair. It seems easier letting it be. however, thats not why we are on *nix :) |
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| 16:05.38 | jhutchins | hugo___: You could just back up the whole system before you messed with it. A good idea to have a backup from a known working condition anyway, but overkill for just this. |
| 16:05.42 | foetus | twobitsprite: for smaller size and faster unpacking than tar.bz2, but nothing against bzip2. |
| 16:06.18 | hugo___ | jhutchins: thanks for your help |
| 16:07.03 | foetus | twobitsprite: have made an personal build of 7zr with '-Os' for faster execution and smaller codesize. |
| 16:07.27 | foetus | 404k. |
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| 16:10.55 | pozic | How can I disable connecting to a wireless connection when I already have a wired connection? |
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| 16:11.58 | wols | pozic: depends what you use to connect |
| 16:12.17 | pozic | wols: Networkmanager. |
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| 16:12.48 | dokma | how do I remove the S from here: drwx--S--- |
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| 16:13.16 | wols | dokma: tried 0600 ? |
| 16:13.16 | pozic | A sane default would be to configure just the wired connection and give an option to connect to the wireless version to when the user performs an action. |
| 16:13.21 | wols | 0700 rather |
| 16:13.23 | dokma | yup |
| 16:13.27 | dokma | but S stick in there |
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| 16:14.13 | dokma | hmm... perhaps it's because parent also has that s.... |
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| 16:15.18 | pozic | wols: so? |
| 16:15.45 | unicstar | what does this mean ? configure: error: libGL not installed or functional |
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| 16:16.00 | wols | pozic: so change it in there |
| 16:16.06 | themill | pozic: that's the default behaviour for n-m here |
| 16:16.20 | bn` | Is java3d (package libjava3d-java) in debian squeeze somehow broken? |
| 16:16.28 | wols | unicstar: it means you miss either your GL libraries or more probable, the -dev package for your GL libraries |
| 16:16.52 | unicstar | wols: which package I must apt-get install to revolve the issue ? |
| 16:17.05 | wols | unicstar: most probably the mesa -dev package |
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| 16:17.14 | unicstar | wols: thanks |
| 16:17.24 | pozic | themill: since which release? |
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| 16:17.37 | themill | pozic: squeeze |
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| 16:18.01 | wols | unicstar: libgl1-mesa-dev I'd say |
| 16:18.12 | pozic | themill: and you don't need to manually disable it by unchecking a box? |
| 16:18.29 | unicstar | wols: I am testing apt-get install libglu1-mesa-dev, wait to see what happens... |
| 16:18.56 | unicstar | wols: that solved this problem |
| 16:19.15 | themill | pozic: no, as you said, it's a sane default. |
| 16:19.20 | wols | unicstar: next time you get a configure problem, check your configure.log |
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| 16:19.49 | unicstar | wols: thanks to remember |
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| 16:21.11 | pozic | themill: thanks |
| 16:21.17 | mango | I am back guys |
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| 16:21.35 | mango | \still no luck with the network card |
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| 16:21.44 | bn` | How to get java3d running on Debian Squeeze? |
| 16:22.04 | mango | how would i know that the problem is to do with the driver or not |
| 16:22.07 | mango | ? |
| 16:22.37 | wols | mango: check your kernel log |
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| 16:24.19 | mango | I am back guys/ |
| 16:24.22 | mango | ? |
| 16:25.01 | harpal | ,versions jpgraph |
| 16:25.03 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'jpgraph' was found in i386. |
| 16:25.13 | mango | do you mean the syslog? |
| 16:25.31 | mango | wols: do you mean the syslog |
| 16:25.35 | wols | mango: I mean the kernel log. e.g. dmesg or kern.log |
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| 16:27.01 | mango | wols: http://paste.debian.net/117768/ |
| 16:28.20 | preller | how do i unset array[0] so that array[1] becomes array[0] after the deletion? |
| 16:28.23 | preller | in bash |
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| 16:28.51 | Iridos | he actually said check, not pastebin :) |
| 16:28.57 | wols | mango: check if you have a wlan device with ifconfig -a |
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| 16:29.46 | Iridos | well, [ 6.269434] eth1: Broadcom BCM4315 802.11 Hybrid Wireless Controller 5.60.48.36 |
| 16:29.58 | ketsa | hello, how can i change my default keyring password |
| 16:30.06 | ketsa | squeeze 5 |
| 16:30.42 | mango | wols: ifconfig -a output is http://paste.debian.net/117769/ |
| 16:31.12 | mango | wols: http://paste.debian.net/117770/ |
| 16:31.17 | wols | mango: do you have a bluetooth device? |
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| 16:31.26 | mango | wols; no I don't |
| 16:31.39 | wols | ah, eth1 it is for some strange reason |
| 16:31.45 | wols | mango: does your AP use wpa? |
| 16:31.55 | mango | wols: the last link was for iwconfig output |
| 16:32.20 | anima- | Iridos, for the 4315s you need to grab the latest copy of b43, then grab the broadcom binary blob firmware, extract it with b43 cutter and bobs your uncle |
| 16:32.25 | wols | I know. thanks you gave it. cleared up what is what |
| 16:32.26 | mango | wols: no wep |
| 16:32.28 | mango | I thinnk |
| 16:32.33 | mango | let me rechck |
| 16:33.08 | Iridos | anima-, tell that mango, it's from his dmesg (but looks to me like there's a module that recognizes the hardware and loads from that) |
| 16:33.26 | anima- | Iridos, ah sorry thought you were having the issue |
| 16:33.46 | anima- | Iridos, probably the ndis wrapper, it doesnt work worth crap to be honst |
| 16:33.50 | wols | mango: you could also install either wicd or network manager and configuer you wlan interface with that. from what I see everything is installed right but not configured |
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| 16:34.19 | wols | anima-: the broadcom showed it uses "FW13" so I guess he already did that? |
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| 16:34.36 | Iridos | anima-, no, was just trying to exctract the relevant line out of the 800 line dmesg he pastebined :) |
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| 16:34.54 | anima- | wols, 1 sec ill check my box with the broadcrap card |
| 16:35.13 | wols | yeah. never buy dell :P |
| 16:36.37 | webad_13 | why is w3m afected by extensions... for example if I change .html to .txt and open the file w3m reads it as a text file and not as html |
| 16:36.45 | webad_13 | I thought that it shouldn't matter in linux |
| 16:36.57 | anima- | wols, or gateway, alienware, etc |
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| 16:37.11 | MrFrood | webad_13: w3m started life out as a pager |
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| 16:37.34 | makoto | hey. im using an iptables but it doesnt have the --tee option. how do i get it? |
| 16:37.50 | lanteau | I just installed a Debian stable system. The goal is to use it for our lab computers. We are using ldap authentication and autofs for home directories. by default debian lets users in GNOME do things like install updates and other privledged things. How do I lock it down so users cannot do these things? |
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| 16:37.53 | webad_13 | MrFrood: ah... it is a bit frustrating that I need to pay attention to this :) |
| 16:38.32 | wols | lanteau: don't give them root |
| 16:39.07 | lanteau | wols: didn't plan on it. I'm logged into my gnome session now as a user. I can go click the update icon in the top right and it runs update-manager with root privledges |
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| 16:39.34 | SS3 | Hi |
| 16:39.37 | wols | damn ubuntuisms. uninstall it then |
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| 16:40.49 | lanteau | wols: thats an option, but it says it started with root permissions due to my systems authentication mechanism configuration. Id like to know where this is configured because unfortunately it doesn't include that in the message |
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| 16:40.59 | MrFrood | webad_13: you may also want to try elinks or links2 (if you are using the framebuffer try links2 with the -g option) |
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| 16:41.42 | unicstar | lanteau: create another clean user and log as that user to gnome, and again try to do that update thins and tell us whether you were able to do that again or not |
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| 16:42.39 | lanteau | unicstar: well they are all LDAP users, not local system users. I can try an other LDAP user than my own. |
| 16:43.10 | unicstar | ok |
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| 16:44.35 | _ARMA_ | how much of windows applications/softwares can we use on linux? |
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| 16:45.37 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: just came back... |
| 16:45.54 | wols | _ARMA_: http://appdb.winehq.org/ |
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| 16:46.42 | lanteau | unicstar: looks like it required the root password that way. So did it allow me before because I had a root terminal open or something? |
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| 16:47.14 | unicstar | lanteau: that was because your password for your old usr was cached somehow, |
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| 16:47.54 | unicstar | lanteau: using the "keyring" conecpt in linux authorization if I am not wrong |
| 16:47.59 | lanteau | unicstar: so I probably entered the root password for some other program that asked for it and it cached it |
| 16:48.07 | unicstar | yes |
| 16:48.17 | lanteau | do you know how I can configure how long until that expires? |
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| 16:48.43 | unicstar | lanteau: you can go and remove your keyring caches in gnome subfolders of your home path |
| 16:48.56 | mnuhmnuh | lanteau: 1st user acct created is assumed to be root's user (gets admin perms). Subsequent user accts created don't. |
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| 16:49.04 | lanteau | unicstar: which appears it happens on logout. |
| 16:49.11 | lanteau | mnuhmnuh: there are no local users |
| 16:49.41 | lanteau | I'm sure there is away to make it only cache the root password for a certain time period |
| 16:50.17 | wols | unicstar: not on debian. I always had to enter my user by hand in sudoers to make it work. and the first user is a user like any other |
| 16:50.17 | unicstar | lanteau: I think it is possible to configure the keyring, "wols" may help us here |
| 16:50.36 | wols | unicstar: no wols may not. don't really use gnome |
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| 16:51.07 | lanteau | Yeah to be clear so we are all on the same page. My user did NOT have special privledges. I think I entered the root password when configuring something else and it cached it. Trying to configure how long it caches that for |
| 16:51.09 | wols | hmm, that should have been directed at mnuhmnuh above |
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| 16:51.42 | wols | lanteau: google for the gnome keyring. most probably it's some obscure gconf setting |
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| 16:52.10 | lanteau | wols: wouldn't a gconf setting be user by user though? |
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| 16:52.18 | wols | lanteau: if the caching is done via a file in your ~ (which I can't really believe...) then simply make that file read only. no more caching |
| 16:52.29 | wols | lanteau: yes? |
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| 16:52.54 | wols | lanteau: it has a system default most probably and the user might also be able to override that |
| 16:53.01 | lanteau | hmmf thought so. I guess I wish I could make it a global setting |
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| 16:53.52 | wols | lanteau: why is this a problem? root doesn't need to enter the password in gnome, does he? |
| 16:53.54 | mnuhmnuh | wols: ya, I know debian doesn't, *buntu does. |
| 16:54.00 | unicstar | lanteau: go to your home directory then .gnome2/keyrings and see what is there |
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| 16:54.23 | wols | lanteau: uninstall the keyring package? |
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| 16:55.01 | lanteau | unicstar: login.keyring user.keystore |
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| 16:55.23 | unicstar | ok, if you remove them, then the problem will be solved until next time |
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| 16:55.38 | _ARMA_ | wols: just these? |
| 16:55.54 | _ARMA_ | i thouhgt there are almost all of them. |
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| 16:55.56 | unicstar | or as wols said, uninstall keyring but I dont know what will be the side effects |
| 16:56.11 | _ARMA_ | sone Adobe products maybe. |
| 16:56.18 | _ARMA_ | *some |
| 16:56.27 | lanteau | unicstar: they get removed on logout, thats not the issue. But instead of removing them manually or having to logout I would like my root privledges to expire after 5 min or so |
| 16:57.35 | wols | _ARMA_: adobe products are all DRM-infected |
| 16:57.52 | unicstar | lanteau: usually you have the options to "forget password immediately" or "remember until next reboot" or "remember forever", I dont know how to fix the time for , for example, 5 minutes |
| 16:57.58 | _ARMA_ | drm imfected? |
| 16:58.23 | lanteau | hmm alright. I guess it's not a huge issue if no one has the root password except myself :P |
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| 16:59.03 | mango | wols: no luck at all |
| 16:59.09 | pozic | _ARMA_: I think he means that there is an encryption key hidden somewhere in the code to make it hard for users to tamper with their own files. |
| 16:59.26 | mango | wols: iwconfig did not work nor wicd |
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| 16:59.58 | pozic | _ARMA_: so, where on Linux generally you can see everything in plain text, companies want to maintain a competetive edge by keeping file formats secret. |
| 17:00.07 | wols | mango: I didn't tell you to use iwconfig for anything. and you wanted to check for AP encryption |
| 17:00.26 | pozic | competitive* |
| 17:00.41 | mango | wols: maybe this will be of use...my wifi card worked ok before and ifconfig show the wifi card as wlano but after an upgrade it stopped and changed its name to eth1...could that mean anything? |
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| 17:00.46 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 17:00.49 | wols | pozic: no I mean adobe has some pretty intrusive copy protection built into their software. and as usual, that doesn't work under linux very well |
| 17:00.54 | mango | wols: oooh yes |
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| 17:01.10 | mango | I have changed my router to use no security at all..and still no luck |
| 17:01.13 | wols | mango: not really. depends on the rest of the config. e.g. /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:01.21 | pozic | wols: do you mean it actually detects whether it is running on Linux (and then decides to not work)? |
| 17:01.29 | wols | mango: how are you trying to connect to your router? what command? |
| 17:01.41 | _ARMA_ | well, I'm thinking to remove Windows completely, if i can arrange some programs such as, Photoshop, Flash, Dreamveawer and some other windows programs. |
| 17:02.14 | wols | pozic: no I mean it has DRM built in. Do I have to write everything ten times? DRM works with lots of bad tricks, and as a result it usually works only in very narrow circumstances |
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| 17:02.25 | pozic | _ARMA_: just use a virtual machine. |
| 17:02.27 | Ox1 | wine/virtualization/alternatives |
| 17:02.31 | hgt | is it easily possible to watch two photos side-by-side with gqview or mirage? |
| 17:02.33 | mango | wols: the output to /etc/network/interfaces is: http://paste.debian.net/117773/ |
| 17:02.48 | wols | pozic: won't really help. PS like/needs 3D acceleration nowadays |
| 17:02.48 | Justin-Case | _ARMA_: Who on earth uses Dreamveaver |
| 17:02.54 | mango | wols: I try to connect to the router with iwconfig or wicd |
| 17:03.00 | Justin-Case | And why use photoshop when we have gimp |
| 17:03.04 | mango | wols: or the network manager |
| 17:03.19 | wols | mango: you need to choose ONE. not all of them at once |
| 17:03.21 | pozic | wols: how do you know what kind of tricks Adobe does, unless you work there? |
| 17:03.35 | mango | wols: yes I did |
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| 17:03.44 | _ARMA_ | Justin-Case: please accept that some windows softwares are the bests on their areas, like MS Office. and I want them. |
| 17:03.46 | mango | wols: none of them worked |
| 17:04.00 | Justin-Case | pozic: It's not like they're trying to hide it dude, they want people to know it, they want their users to know that they have power over the users |
| 17:04.05 | wols | _ARMA_: then I suggest you use windows |
| 17:04.29 | Justin-Case | pozic: They also want the users to accept it |
| 17:04.31 | _ARMA_ | I do wols, I have both linux and debian, unfortunately. |
| 17:04.39 | mango | wols: before the wifi card detects all AP available , but nothing now |
| 17:04.43 | _ARMA_ | linux and windows * |
| 17:05.03 | wols | _ARMA_: then delete one of them. no more "unfortunately" |
| 17:05.10 | Ox1 | use whatever pleases you |
| 17:05.17 | unicstar | I think the problem of office ( in general view) in linux is because of java, I think java misleaded office programmers in linux |
| 17:05.26 | unicstar | like openoffice or libreoffice |
| 17:05.27 | pozic | Justin-Case: if I absolutely wanted to reverse-engineer it, I could. |
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| 17:05.35 | _ARMA_ | wols: I want to keep debian if you can find me a proper solution. :) |
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| 17:05.51 | jhutchins | _ARMA_: I haven't used Windows sine 2004. I write my HTML with vi, not some silly flash system. |
| 17:05.52 | hgt | is it easily possible to watch two photos side-by-side using gqview or mirage? |
| 17:06.05 | wols | _ARMA_: I don't give a fsck if you use debian or not. for a very good reason I wish you didn't |
| 17:06.10 | Justin-Case | pozic: Do you mean to say that you doubt they have drm implented? |
| 17:06.38 | pozic | Justin-Case: I am saying that using run-time debuggers it should be pretty trivial to reverse-engineer it. |
| 17:06.44 | mango | wols: any other suggestion please? |
| 17:06.51 | wols | pozic: I'd rather use google. http://www.google.com/search?q=adobe+alm |
| 17:06.56 | Justin-Case | pozic: So what? |
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| 17:07.06 | _ARMA_ | heh. |
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| 17:07.13 | wols | mango: not really. your change from wlan0 to eth0 is due to udev btw |
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| 17:07.25 | Ox1 | wols: how does "fsck" fit in your statement? |
| 17:07.34 | pozic | Justin-Case: and I am also saying that I am not aware of their DRM, but they are quite likely doing it. |
| 17:07.35 | buhman | what's wrong with mozilla.debian.org? |
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| 17:07.41 | Ox1 | pretty sure it's not fs check =d |
| 17:07.49 | wols | Ox1: go fsck yourself. am I clearer now? or do I have to REALLY spell it out for you? |
| 17:08.07 | wols | buhman: don't you mean debian.net? |
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| 17:08.16 | buhman | wols: yes |
| 17:08.22 | wols | buhman: it's on alioth IIRC |
| 17:09.03 | mango | wols: thanks... I will reinstall it from scratch again. |
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| 17:09.28 | Ox1 | wols: ok.. no need to be so rude |
| 17:09.31 | buhman | wols: alioth doesn't seem to be working either |
| 17:09.41 | Ox1 | jeez, low tempered |
| 17:09.48 | wols | buhman: exactly. supposedly scheduled downtime |
| 17:09.57 | wols | Ox1: you asked |
| 17:10.06 | Ox1 | asked for what |
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| 17:10.52 | Guest35263 | Ox1, wols: Drop it please (or have this chat in private) -- But I would bet that wols is not interested in further pursuing this conversation. |
| 17:10.53 | Ox1 | so now it's a crime to ask for a clarification of a used word in a sentence? |
| 17:10.53 | pozic | Justin-Case: so, they have some license manager.., which you can disable (since it is software). |
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| 17:12.14 | Justin-Case | pozic: What? |
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| 17:12.26 | wols | Justin-Case, pozic: anything debian related to ask? |
| 17:12.44 | pozic | wols: no, sorry. |
| 17:13.06 | wols | Guest35263: damn this is an ugly nick. what happened? |
| 17:13.16 | wols | more ugliness |
| 17:13.23 | wols | closes his eyes to make it go away |
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| 17:14.01 | Justin-Case | pozic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management |
| 17:14.01 | babilen | wols: ta! |
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| 17:14.13 | babilen | nickserv is overreacting sometimes |
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| 17:14.30 | Cube`` | now i see what #debian is all about |
| 17:14.36 | wols | strangely I never have a problem. and I get disconnected and reconnect a lot |
| 17:14.53 | wols | Cube``: scary, isn't it? |
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| 17:15.59 | pozic | Justin-Case: DRM is, by definition, pointless. |
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| 17:17.00 | pozic | #debian-offtopic for that topic. |
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| 17:18.01 | Justin-Case | pozic: I'm not sure what you mean by that. Anyway it is bad for the users freedom, and people implenting drm in their software thinks it stops people from doing stuff like sharing the software while it actually doesn't and the users that actually paid have problems because of it. |
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| 17:19.41 | pozic | Justin-Case: I meant type "/j #debian-offtopic" and press ENTER. |
| 17:19.54 | Justin-Case | pozic: I'm there |
| 17:20.06 | unicstar | installing libreoffice in debian6 is a nightmare, I dont know how they have decided to replace openoffice with that. |
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| 17:20.57 | Justin-Case | unicstar: Is libreoffice default in debian6? |
| 17:21.05 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 17:21.06 | buhman | Justin-Case: no |
| 17:21.07 | unicstar | Justin-Case: no |
| 17:21.10 | buhman | Justin-Case: in wheezy it is |
| 17:21.12 | Arrowmaster | its not even available for squeeze |
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| 17:21.54 | unicstar | I mean they are deciding to replce to libreoffice in future release of many linux flowers, including debian and fedora |
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| 17:21.56 | Justin-Case | unicstar: When wheezy becomes stable, it will not be hard to install it. |
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| 17:22.19 | buhman | Justin-Case: it isn't hard |
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| 17:22.34 | Justin-Case | unicstar: Because many developers for openoffice didn't feel it was community driven enough, or something like that. It is probably a good thing. |
| 17:23.25 | buhman | Justin-Case: the only problem is that when you uninstall openoffice, it breaks the gnome-office metapackage which then breaks the gnome metapackage. The dependency solver then suggests that you remove those two metapackages, and all the packages that they suggest |
| 17:23.28 | pozic | How does anyone decide whether or not it is community driven? That would only be possible if you go to conferences and know exactly what everyone's profession is and who gets paid by who. |
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| 17:24.20 | subsume | In a shell script, how would I move a file that starts with 'foo' to foo.latest.gz without knowing the rest of the filename? |
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| 17:24.59 | dondelelcaro | subsume: mv foo* foo.latest.gz; but that assumes that there's only one foo* |
| 17:25.17 | subsume | there is only one foo but the problem I had with that is that it said foo.latest.gz is not a directory |
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| 17:25.26 | dondelelcaro | subsume: that's because there isn't only one foo* |
| 17:25.28 | subsume | and sorry, I didn't maen mv i meant cp |
| 17:25.44 | subsume | okay, maybe I just had it wrong, thanks. |
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| 17:28.40 | subsume | hi |
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| 17:30.23 | karlpinc | pozic: One way to tell whether something is community driven is if the public code repo is the code repo the developers use and who the project takes patches from. |
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| 17:32.18 | poisonbit | that could be as company driven as any other schema |
| 17:32.37 | jhutchins | You can also tell if the project responds to community input. |
| 17:32.38 | poisonbit | the important thing is honesty and fairness on patches and features |
| 17:32.52 | jhutchins | Which I believe was the issue with OO. |
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| 17:33.50 | km | what diff between ubuntu and debian, which makes a better laptop/desktop? any suggestions? |
| 17:34.11 | jhutchins | !ubuntu |
| 17:34.11 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:35.17 | karlpinc | km: Debian has more software and focuses on being stable and free. Ubuntu comes with more stuff people want available by default, although the same stuff can be enabled in debian. |
| 17:35.20 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 17:35.20 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
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| 17:36.27 | karlpinc | km: Free as in speech. The stuff you must manually enable in debian is either not free or has legal issues surrounding it because of patents, usually. |
| 17:37.03 | karlpinc | km: As a result, debian fully supports everything in debian, because we have access to the source. |
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| 17:38.33 | km | ok, so can install everything as in ubuntu with debian but i need to manually configure it. |
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| 17:39.09 | karlpinc | km: I don't use ubuntu so can't swear to that but believe it to be the case. |
| 17:39.09 | jhutchins | km: It's not that simple, but mostly that's it. |
| 17:39.41 | Cube`` | on a side note |
| 17:39.54 | km | not that simple - what's fair having to spend too much how setup that up. |
| 17:40.13 | km | s/what's/that's what i/ |
| 17:40.14 | karlpinc | km: Ubuntu release more often so can have newer "big" stuff, like desktops (kde/gnome/whatever). Stuff that can't really be backprorted. |
| 17:40.15 | pozic | karlpinc: that is a good approach, but who cares to write code to traverse the development mailing list, to cross-reference it with the source code repository, to automatically find the linkedin profiles of whoever contributed, etc.? |
| 17:40.22 | jhutchins | km: It all depends on what you want, what hardware you have, etc. |
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| 17:41.02 | karlpinc | pozic: |
| 17:41.05 | jhutchins | km: On the other hand, Debian's software is better tested and patched to be stable. |
| 17:41.24 | karlpinc | pozic: Projects have certain reputations for a reason. It's not _that_ hard to find out what it is. |
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| 17:42.13 | karlpinc | km: And some people use the testing release of debian, and find it more stable than other distro's stable releases. That gets them newer stuff. We don't recommend that for newbies. |
| 17:42.15 | km | i just got a new dell e6420 corei7 and i planing of putting a good working laptop/desktop distro. so far debian netinstaller doesn't seem to supported driver so it. |
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| 17:43.01 | karlpinc | km: You checked the install guide to see that it does not need non-free firmware? |
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| 17:43.23 | karlpinc | me can't even write sentences any more. Time to rest. |
| 17:43.39 | km | i guess i have to decide between stability+secruity in debian and staying update with latest software in ubuntu |
| 17:43.40 | karlpinc | km: You can ask the channel here for installation help. |
| 17:43.57 | karlpinc | km: Not really. See the oveview link above and.... |
| 17:44.00 | karlpinc | !bdo |
| 17:44.00 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 17:44.06 | jhutchins | km: That's one of the differences, having to track down drivers and firmware for newer hardware. Do-able but requires work. |
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| 17:44.49 | Cube`` | what do debian people think about ubuntu actually? ill admit right away i am an ubuntu user, because that was the distro that got me from windows to linux, like many people, but im curious what you guys think about ubuntu users |
| 17:45.07 | pipeline | Cube``: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:45.13 | pipeline | Cube``: this is #debian |
| 17:45.17 | km | yes, but i would have to configure that might not be so easy to do |
| 17:45.17 | Arrowmaster | i think they patch too much stuff |
| 17:45.27 | pipeline | Cube``: ubuntu is intrinsically off-topic here |
| 17:45.31 | jhutchins | I remember when the "latest version of the software" was important. Back around RH4 or 5 (pre EL), Mandriva 9. |
| 17:45.45 | Cube`` | pipeline: so you are with all your honesty suggesting me to ask what *debian* users think about ubuntu in #ubuntu? |
| 17:45.57 | poisonbit | i think they care about what debian users think about them |
| 17:46.06 | karlpinc | Cube``: You could go to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:46.13 | km | i have been trying to find the nic driver for it but not luck yet. |
| 17:46.33 | jhutchins | km: What's the PCIID? |
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| 17:46.55 | jhutchins | km: If it works in Ubuntu, there's a linux driver available and it's just a matter of getting it. |
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| 17:47.21 | Cube`` | karlpinc: ok thats an idea |
| 17:47.32 | km | ok |
| 17:47.41 | karlpinc | km: You do realize that it's bad practice to get software from anywhere other than your Linux distro, because the distro ensures the sofware works together. Getting software from non-distro sources means you must make it work and keep it working, which is hard and why other OSs turn to muck and the drive must be wiped and re-installed every few years. |
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| 17:52.16 | bassliner | hello, on a freshly installed debian testing, i had the problem that i couldn't login via gdm3 (system seemed hung, but logging in remotely via ssh still worked). i asked a friend of mine who actually happens to be a debian maintainer and he told me to rm/mv /run since this is a directory and udev got problems here. any hint what exactly is going wrong? is this a reported bug? |
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| 17:54.05 | jhutchins_lt | bassliner: What's going on is that you're running the testing software instead of the stable, released version that actually gives you a working system. |
| 17:54.30 | jhutchins_lt | bassliner: The system you're using is intended to be broken so the problems can be found and fixed. |
| 17:54.55 | antivirtel | hi thewanderer1, do you remember my multiple network issue? |
| 17:55.34 | bassliner | jhutchins_lt: well usually this is a bug that *should* occur in unstable, but be fixed in testing, right? |
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| 17:55.54 | jhutchins_lt | bassliner: Not at this stage of testing, no. |
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| 17:56.11 | karlpinc | bassliner: Yes and no. Especially soon after a stable release lots of stuff gets into testing fast. |
| 17:56.12 | bassliner | jhutchins_lt: well fair enough, but is there any effort i should put into reporting this? should i make a blog post for this? |
| 17:56.24 | karlpinc | bassliner: Use reportbug. |
| 17:56.26 | karlpinc | !bts |
| 17:56.26 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 17:56.27 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: yeah |
| 17:56.31 | jhutchins_lt | bassliner: It's a known problem. |
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| 17:56.58 | jhutchins_lt | bassliner: As the fact that it's known to the maintainer should indicate. |
| 17:56.58 | karlpinc | bassliner: Any reason you're running testing instead of stable with backports? |
| 17:57.00 | bassliner | jhutchins_lt: that's what i was asking about. thanks a lot. would i have any further problems with udev when i rm /run ? |
| 17:57.20 | DammitJim | If I install debian on one laptop and then take the hard drive out and put it into another machine, will it automatically update with all the drivers? Can I even do this? |
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| 17:57.36 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 what method do you prefer to solve that problem? (administrate=use ssh between across networks) |
| 17:57.45 | bassliner | karlpinc: actually just that i've been running testing for more actual software, which worked for many years. i just got used to it. |
| 17:57.56 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Yes, you can do that. However you may have to rebuild the initramfs to get it to boot the first time. |
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| 17:58.22 | DammitJim | do you need network connectivity for Debian to get the proper drivers? |
| 17:58.29 | bassliner | karlpinc: and yes i know i should stick to stable when i want a stable system. :) |
| 17:58.31 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: first you have to tell me whether my guess was right i.e. if what you're attempting to do is home --ssh--> router --ssh--> host behind NAT |
| 17:58.33 | karlpinc | DammitJim: That tends to have stuff in it that is particuar to your box. |
| 17:58.41 | jhutchins_lt | bassliner: That's why you're testing it, to find out. |
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| 17:58.59 | karlpinc | DammitJim: But again, you're right. You may not have all the, say, video drivers installed. |
| 17:59.15 | karlpinc | DammitJim: But the stuff that's in there kernel is always there (as modules.) |
| 17:59.26 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 ok, I'll write, but it takes a little time :) please wait... |
| 17:59.44 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: you can draw a network diagram if it lets you explain things better |
| 17:59.48 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Actually, it depends on whether the drivers are in the kernel. It doesn't automatically update, but many drivers are in the kernel package. |
| 17:59.54 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: Inkscape or Dia is good for that :P |
| 17:59.57 | DammitJim | gosh, this is so frustrating!!! I want to move to Debian squeeze from this older OS, but I can't 'cause I keep having to use stuff that I have customized and it'll take me some time to set it up again if I reinstalled the OS |
| 17:59.59 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 nice, ok, just a minute :) |
| 18:00.10 | karlpinc | DammitJim: So, you move the drive. Boot off a debian live cd/the installer in rescue mode/etc. Chroot into your filesystem/make sure /boot is mounted and run update-initramfs -u (iirc, you'd better rtfm.) |
| 18:00.11 | bassliner | jhutchins_lt: well he is actually riding on a bike since weeks, a few thousands of kilometers, and doesn't have a computer with him, because he simply wanted to contextswitch his life a bit, so i didn't know if that's reported - especially since i didn't find anything googling for it, and also i didn't get some feedback when asking about this issue one day ago. :) |
| 18:00.26 | bassliner | jhutchins_lt: fair enough. do i have anything to fix when i remove /run? |
| 18:00.40 | DammitJim | thanks karlpinc ! |
| 18:00.52 | jhutchins_lt | bassliner: How will anyone know until you test it? That's what testing is for. |
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| 18:01.01 | karlpinc | DammitJim: I'd guess your problems would mostly be with non-free firmware and video drivers. The latter don't matter because you should get console anyway. |
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| 18:01.19 | DammitJim | yeah, I can install the video driver no problem |
| 18:01.24 | bassliner | jhutchins_lt: and that's just why i am testing it right :) |
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| 18:01.40 | jhutchins_lt | !sid udev |
| 18:01.40 | dpkg | udev 167-1 in sid is currently broken, because it tries to use /run created by base-files 6.2 which is not yet supported by the initscripts version in sid. Downgrade udev, libudev0, libgudev-1.0-0 to 166-1 and base-files to 6.1 and remove /run to fix it. Install <apt-listbugs> and see #620995, #620191, #621036 and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/04/msg00353.html for details. |
| 18:01.46 | karlpinc | bassliner: You can always add a me-too to an existing bug report to give it another data point. |
| 18:02.07 | karlpinc | bassliner: (But then again, if there's a factoid, never mind.) |
| 18:02.17 | bassliner | thank you! |
| 18:02.45 | karlpinc | msg dpkg guess the release date |
| 18:02.52 | DammitJim | I'm just afraid of hard drive access stuff. I have had problemw with Windows machines where the SATA drive uses ihcc vs ATA, etc |
| 18:03.12 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: I don't know to what extent the problem is ongoing or to what extent it (still) applies to wheezy. |
| 18:04.01 | jhutchins_lt | bassliner: There is #debian-next (it may be on oftc.net) which will have more knowledge about unreleased versions. |
| 18:04.02 | karlpinc | DammitJim: You should be using either disklabels or uuids and not have that problem. (If I'm thinking of problems you're thinking of.) |
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| 18:05.35 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: May we ask what other OS? |
| 18:05.43 | DammitJim | it's called Elive |
| 18:05.55 | DammitJim | it was great last year, but it's running Lenny |
| 18:06.21 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Oh, that's the same OS, just a different distribution. |
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| 18:06.27 | DammitJim | yes |
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| 18:06.44 | jhutchins_lt | FreeBSD for example is a different OS. |
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| 18:07.00 | DammitJim | good point... poor choice of words on my part |
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| 18:07.15 | DammitJim | I need to learn how to make my own distribution :D |
| 18:07.22 | deepy | It's overrated, I've tried |
| 18:07.45 | DammitJim | deepy, what were your drives to make your own distro? |
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| 18:08.08 | bassliner | karlpinc, jhutchins_lt: thanks for your explanations. |
| 18:08.13 | deepy | DammitJim: egoism, I just wanted to make one of my own |
| 18:08.19 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 18:08.19 | km | i think i am going keep win7-64bit as the vm host just to run linux and other vm so i don't need to wory about getting new drivers to worry under linux. any thoughts/suggestions on that? |
| 18:08.43 | jhutchins_lt | bassliner: Do check with #debian-next if you're going to continue testing. |
| 18:08.43 | DammitJim | km, what hardware are you having issues with? |
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| 18:09.34 | km | so far it the nic, not sure what other hardware issue i might run into. |
| 18:09.43 | DammitJim | oh wow |
| 18:09.54 | DammitJim | the NIC is not supported on Squeeze? |
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| 18:11.17 | km | i thinking if i should use win7 or linux as the vm host |
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| 18:13.01 | DammitJim | I'm going with linux as the host and win7 as the guest (maybe even XP) |
| 18:13.36 | km | so far i got debian and ubuntu install and working/running fine using vm. |
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| 18:14.41 | km | that's what i was thinking as well, but... |
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| 18:17.14 | feanor_ | hi, how to Disabble the QoS of a wireless device? |
| 18:17.52 | km | i have been told win7 (never used it before) is pretty stable and performance quite well compare to linux on large filesystem size (according to some article) so it might be too bad keep as the host vm. |
| 18:18.20 | pozic | km: you mean not so bad? |
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| 18:18.29 | km | yes |
| 18:18.34 | pozic | km: I use it in that setup for development. |
| 18:18.42 | jhutchins_lt | km: Remember with Windows reviews there's always money involved. |
| 18:18.46 | pozic | km: it seems to work fairly well, except the graphics are broken. |
| 18:19.12 | pozic | km: that either is a vmware issue or a Linux issue. |
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| 18:19.25 | pipeline | Cube``: this is an inappropriate venue. I don't care where you ask anyone about what they think of ubuntu, just don't do it here. |
| 18:19.34 | km | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-vs-windows-7 |
| 18:19.43 | Big_Aziz | hi people |
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| 18:20.12 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: He took it to -offtopic long ago. |
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| 18:21.51 | thewanderer1 | km: the title sounds much like "Ubuntu vs. NTOSKRNL.EXE" you know, don't expect conclusive findings :P |
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| 18:24.51 | km | yes, that one of the test cases someone have done. |
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| 18:25.21 | jY | is there anyway to remove a the deb but not touch any of the files it has installed? |
| 18:26.06 | nkuttler | jY: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:26.39 | km | i haven't done any testing myself, so i just rely other people information i have came accross to make some decisions. |
| 18:28.06 | jY | nkuttler, we use to package our internal software as a deb.. but we are moving off it towards our own package manager we built.. so looking to remove the deb so i can't apt-get upgrade it.. but keep all the files in case we need to downgrade and keep config files |
| 18:28.47 | pozic | km: you could just try it, but imho, native is still better. |
| 18:29.17 | thewanderer1 | km: but yeah, using GNU/Linux inside a VM within another OS lets you get your job done in most cases - save laptops, where battery life is impacted |
| 18:29.30 | pozic | km: virtual machines are still pretty 'new', and thus buggy. |
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| 18:29.46 | thewanderer1 | right now, VirtualBox seems optimal for desktop virtualisation |
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| 18:30.03 | pozic | thewanderer1: no graphical glitches? |
| 18:30.13 | pozic | thewanderer1: ignoring 3d stuff. |
| 18:30.23 | thewanderer1 | you usually don't run Linux in a VM for graphics... :P |
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| 18:30.35 | thewanderer1 | but no, 2d desktop like GNOME is mostly fine |
| 18:30.45 | pozic | thewanderer1: no, but I am talking about basic Windows not being drawn correctly in some cases. |
| 18:31.19 | pozic | thewanderer1: the annoying thing about these systems is that it goes through 8 layers before a bug is visible and all the code is owned by different parties. |
| 18:31.22 | thewanderer1 | you mean Seamless Desktop mode? yes, there are some glitches with Ribbon interface for example, but nothing impairing usability |
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| 18:31.53 | pozic | thewanderer1: I mean when running a Linux guest within VMWare within a Windows host. |
| 18:31.53 | Aut0ExeC | anyone here recently take the linux+ exam? |
| 18:32.14 | thewanderer1 | Linux+ is a magazine, right? O.o |
| 18:32.30 | jelly-home | it sounds more like an exam |
| 18:32.37 | Aut0ExeC | thewanderer1: naw man |
| 18:32.39 | km | yep, those are somethings i have thought about. |
| 18:32.43 | thewanderer1 | when in doubt, you can run the desktop via FreeNX/RDP/VNC |
| 18:32.58 | thewanderer1 | I haven't had graphical problems in VirtualBox |
| 18:33.33 | pozic | thewanderer1: if that is the case, why does VMWare still exist? ;) |
| 18:33.50 | dougvann | hmm my root and only other user shell accts are getting access denied on my deb6 vps on linode. I rebooted for kicks and still cant log in... is there any other explanation but HaCkEd! :-( |
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| 18:34.48 | thewanderer1 | pozic: bit rot is slow on that one :P |
| 18:34.50 | meegee | Hi all. Looks like mozilla.debian.net has been down for a few days. Anyone know a mirror? |
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| 18:35.23 | thewanderer1 | dougvann: you've screwed up your SSH config? |
| 18:35.43 | robokop | meegee: http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2011/05/msg00000.html |
| 18:35.44 | thewanderer1 | no respectable cracker would change all passwords... |
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| 18:35.49 | dougvann | i havnt touched the ssh config all i ever do is shell into webroots and vim files and use git |
| 18:36.45 | meegee | thewanderer1: oh, thanks. Looks like it is taking longer than expected |
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| 18:38.15 | meegee | silly me, i meant robokop :) |
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| 18:41.22 | Zopieux | hi there |
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| 18:42.04 | Zopieux | i'm looking for a way of installing texlive (latex) packages without root privileges (ie. user-wide) |
| 18:42.18 | Zopieux | is it possible on debian? |
| 18:42.19 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 finally, it's done: http://imagerz.com/QEFCW0tvAwMFUggYFgVQ |
| 18:43.18 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: ok so you intend to do what with it? |
| 18:43.37 | babilen | Zopieux: http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/TeX-on-Debian/ch4.html (latex maintainer) |
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| 18:45.15 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 I want to connect from home(eth0) to office computers(eth1), and the logical thing is that, to use the central (green) machine, to do that :) |
| 18:45.30 | antivirtel | but how? |
| 18:45.30 | Zopieux | hm babilen, i read this before but I don't understand the basics |
| 18:46.01 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 I have an extra eth card, so I can easily set-it-up |
| 18:46.20 | somiaj | Zopieux: users can extract the packages into their home dir, but I cannot think of any way to 'install' as a non root user. |
| 18:46.34 | babilen | Zopieux: Well, I find 4.4 pretty good to understand ... but you can always just copy the sty files into the same directory as your source file. |
| 18:46.42 | Zopieux | hmmm |
| 18:46.46 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: ok, so this is 2 LANs with "private" IP addresses or what? |
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| 18:47.15 | Zopieux | i would prefer store them in a separate dir and then tell the tex compiler (i'm using texlive-xetex) where they are |
| 18:47.16 | Zopieux | is it possible? |
| 18:47.50 | Zopieux | somiaj, yeah sorry I don't think 'install' is the right word here |
| 18:47.56 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 how do you mean private addr? I have no public address to internet, to connect to them remote(it would be better, but I have no occasion to do that) |
| 18:48.08 | robokop | Zopieux: use ~/texmf and the same kind of hierarchy as in /usr/share/texmf |
| 18:48.40 | robokop | then run mktexlsr (will work as non root user to hash your personal texmf |
| 18:48.46 | Zopieux | ok, and do you have to modify a configuration file or a command option to take this into account? |
| 18:49.05 | Zopieux | hm ok |
| 18:49.05 | babilen | Zopieux: yes, please read 4.4. and put them in ~/texmf and run mktexlsr |
| 18:49.13 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: okay, so you have 1 IP network on eth0, and eth1 is not in place? |
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| 18:50.09 | antivirtel | yeah thewanderer1, it is about 250m far from home :) |
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| 18:51.07 | Zopieux | so, if I'm not mistaken, i put them under ~/texmf/tex/latex/packagename and the stuff explained in 4.4 |
| 18:51.17 | antivirtel | so thewanderer1 it is not too far, but I dont want to go in for some little mainterance :$ - also I like my home environment |
| 18:51.20 | robokop | Zopieux: yes |
| 18:51.30 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: wait, the workstations are connected to a router and on their own, separate IP network? |
| 18:51.33 | Zopieux | ok, i'll ping you if there is a problem, thanks |
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| 18:54.46 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 maybe, that government network is a quite complicated: I have a 24-port-switch; I configure some ports to same VPN, then they are in same LAN, but I can change these VPN status, and they could be with LAN with other computers... - maybe you dont understand :$ |
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| 18:55.53 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: I hope you mean VLAN, if your switch is doing VPN then I'm lost :P |
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| 18:56.53 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 :DDDD yeah, sorry, my mistake :$ - you are right |
| 18:57.28 | davedorm | hello all... trying to fix my 'sensible-browser' alternative. I was able to change 'x-www-browser' to my preference, but 'sensile-browser' still points to a different one. |
| 18:57.50 | davedorm | <-- not a noob, just baffled |
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| 18:58.41 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: so you can bridge eth0 with eth1 and put them in the same LAN on the server, then add the server to the same VLAN as the workstations |
| 18:58.48 | thewanderer1 | that way, you're in the same LAN as the workstations |
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| 18:59.09 | thewanderer1 | however, that brings in its own issues, like no office/home separation, so you can make your central server a router |
| 18:59.19 | feanor_ | how to disable the QoS of a wireless device in Linux? |
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| 18:59.47 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: then, as the router, it can manage the firewall rules, which is a bit harder on a bridge and not usually done |
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| 19:02.55 | antivirtel | fuu... thewanderer1 it is a quite difficult, can you give more details about how to bride eth0 with eth1? ...? - so the software side :) |
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| 19:03.45 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: you first need to know if you want to bridge or route it - bridging it will give your office computers access to the home computer, for example (same IP network) |
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| 19:04.44 | thewanderer1 | in any case, there are howtos available |
| 19:05.16 | thewanderer1 | and you can ask here about routing/bridging between two interfaces, I suppose... in the meantime, I'm off |
| 19:05.19 | antivirtel | ahh thewanderer1, and about firewall, If I want to use, I use `ifup eth1`, if not, I use `ifdown eth1` on the server, isn't it a good security method? :O |
| 19:05.41 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: there's the time window, it gives you non-deterministic security :P |
| 19:06.25 | Sebboh | Hello. I've got a fresh install of Wheezy here. I'd like to set up a local firewall that forbids *all* outgoing traffic. Then, I'd like to go through and allow specific outgoing traffic on an item-by-item basis.. How should I proceed? I suppose there is already a firewall installed, but it is configured to allow anything.. Where is that config stored? What is the firewall called? |
| 19:07.17 | Sebboh | By the way, I've used Debian for damn near a decade--it's just some weird coincidence that I don't know anything about local firewalls. :) |
| 19:07.35 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 ... the last note: when I'm at home, there is no one at work, so I dont need any security/firewall things... |
| 19:07.46 | babilen | Sebboh: Please ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is the correct channel for wheezy/sid users |
| 19:07.57 | Sebboh | ok, thanks babilen. |
| 19:08.06 | antivirtel | I will google and ask for it, thanks the help... any other comments thewanderer1 ? |
| 19:08.06 | babilen | Sebboh: Ah, but that question is not necessarily wheezy related :) |
| 19:08.23 | babilen | Sebboh: Just wanted to let you know that we now have an official wheezy/sid channel |
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| 19:09.46 | thewanderer1 | antivirtel: not really, no, you just route the packets between 2 IP networks and you're fine - you connect directly, without double SSH, no NAT, it's like IPv4 heaven :P |
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| 19:17.07 | Zopieux | does debian provide a package for installing latex packages but user-wide (not sys-wide)? |
| 19:17.24 | Zopieux | currently, I have to download the CTAN zip and run the makefile manually |
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| 19:18.04 | Sebboh | I can't connect to OFTC from work. Lame. Is the firewall used in Wheezy the same as in testing? What is it called? I am not sure that this question is even Debian specific... |
| 19:18.26 | muenchhausen | evening. Is someone here who can help me get debian with grub2 and xen to boot again after the grub2 upgrade? booting without xen would be a good first step already |
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| 19:22.42 | twobitsprite | Sebboh: wheezy is testing... |
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| 19:24.43 | shirish | Hi all, does anybody know how can I find info. about my mouse in the cmd line |
| 19:25.05 | antivirtel | thewanderer1 thanks, I really like people from Poland :D I'm from Hungary.. so the Hungarian and Polish friendship was always good :D |
| 19:25.16 | shirish | something similar to lsusb and lspci, is there something to find information about ps/2 mouses ? |
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| 19:25.28 | Sebboh | ok, I don't care about wheezy. What is the *** firewall called? Have you ever tried googling linux firewall? :/ |
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| 19:25.37 | abrotman | there isn't a firewall by default |
| 19:25.44 | abrotman | or not an enabled one |
| 19:26.06 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:26.06 | Sebboh | What is the not enabled firewall called, or where do the configuration files (or proc, or whatever) live? |
| 19:26.33 | Sebboh | Or what is the name of a tool that controls said firewall? :) |
| 19:26.41 | petemc | iptables |
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| 19:26.54 | Sebboh | Still? I thought that went away? |
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| 19:27.10 | petemc | you might be thinking of ipchains |
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| 19:27.41 | Sebboh | Hm. So I've been staring at the answer this whole time. .. d'oh. Ok, thanks. :) |
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| 19:28.50 | cwheeler | is there a way to uninstall a package and all of it's dependancies with one command? |
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| 19:29.39 | davedorm | hello all... trying to fix my 'sensible-browser' alternative. I was able to change 'x-www-browser' to my preference, but 'sensile-browser' still points to a different one. |
| 19:29.41 | davedorm | <-- not a noob, just baffled |
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| 19:31.25 | babilen | cwheeler: "aptitude remove/purge PACKAGE" |
| 19:31.40 | cwheeler | thanks babilen |
| 19:31.51 | pozic | davedorm: report a bug if it doesn't work. |
| 19:32.16 | cwheeler | I need to remove rails and ruby from a debian 5.0 machine on a linode because it's broken and reinstall it all with gems, there are a lot of dependancies |
| 19:32.25 | pozic | davedorm: if you don't understand the instructions, it is also a bug, if you have at least 3 years of Linux experience, imho. |
| 19:33.07 | antivirtel | cwheeler do you think, that you will have no trouble with the uninstalled dependancies? maybe other packages have the same dependancies... also I think babilen's method is not enough, because it removes only the <package-name>* packages, not all the dependancies :) |
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| 19:33.39 | cwheeler | right that's what it looked like I was about to look at the docs |
| 19:33.40 | babilen | antivirtel: It will remove all dependencies that are no longer needed (because other installed packages depend on them) |
| 19:34.01 | davedorm | lol pozic |
| 19:34.07 | cwheeler | so it's smart and won't remove anything something not being removed depends on? |
| 19:34.09 | davedorm | I have a bit more than 3. :) |
| 19:34.17 | Pihti | cwheeler if you use aptitude, it removes also unneeded dependencies |
| 19:34.24 | cwheeler | it would be nice if I didn't break a production machine |
| 19:34.29 | Pihti | and another, deborphan is your friend |
| 19:34.33 | davedorm | I have been using Linux since 1997, and Deban since Woody |
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| 19:35.03 | jhutchins_lt | davedorm: In that case, YOU get to WRITE the new instructions! |
| 19:35.09 | davedorm | haha... |
| 19:35.18 | antivirtel | babilen apt-get purge and aptitude purge is not the same? |
| 19:35.25 | davedorm | I am beginning to think it is not the alternatives part that is broken |
| 19:35.39 | davedorm | I manually viewed the simlinks they are right |
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| 19:35.48 | davedorm | the app calling it is not doing it right |
| 19:35.58 | davedorm | I am now beating on their doorstep |
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| 19:36.35 | babilen | antivirtel: No, the behaviour in respect to dependencies is different |
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| 19:37.39 | antivirtel | hmm, and babilen what is "usefuller" in every day use? |
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| 19:38.33 | yareckon | hi guys, I am trying to troubleshoot why mpd can bind to 127.0.0.1 and not the outside IP number, and I realized that I know almost nothing about how permission to bind to ports works in linux. Since the default port for mpd is 6600, most of what I am reading on the interwebs says there should be no problem (6600 > 1024). |
| 19:38.40 | yareckon | What am I missing :( |
| 19:38.49 | davedorm | thanks |
| 19:38.49 | babilen | antivirtel: I am happily using aptitude due to its superior interactive dependency resolution |
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| 19:40.18 | antivirtel | hmm.. babilen only that is the difference? |
| 19:41.45 | babilen | antivirtel: Searching for specific things is also much more powerful (http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html) |
| 19:42.29 | antivirtel | hmm thanks |
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| 19:45.27 | helsene_ | Heya, I'm trying to use security.debian.org as an apt source via ipv6, but there aren't any AAAA DNS records for that domain, and security.ipv6.debian.org is just a CNAME to security.debian.org. Is this a known problem? |
| 19:46.56 | ansgar | helsene_: Maybe not all security mirrors have IPv6? The EU view has AAAA records for security.debian.org, but I don't know about others. |
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| 19:50.58 | helsene_ | ansgar: Hmmm, ok. Have any protips on getting to/finding a security mirror via ipv6? I've got to set up some ipv6 only systems and updates are neat things to have :) |
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| 19:53.10 | ansgar | helsene_: How about caching proxy (apt-proxy) on a host with both IPv6 and IPv4 connection? It safes bandwidth as well. |
| 19:53.52 | ansgar | Or apt-cacher it seems to be called. |
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| 20:01.36 | helsene_ | ansgar: I guess I could do that. I wish the core issue could be fixed, though. That's something I should probably do anyways, so this is good motivation to do that. |
| 20:01.43 | helsene_ | thanks much for the help |
| 20:02.03 | CyL | Hi, I'm having a hard time connecting to a wireless router... while trying to connect to it, I set up the connection, but Network Manager just seems to be unable to connect. Strangely, other machines running Windows can connect to the same router. Any advice on this please? |
| 20:03.47 | cwheeler | what kind of wireless ap Cyl? |
| 20:04.26 | cwheeler | I had one that did weird stuff, support was useless, fix was simple, push it's hardware reset switch |
| 20:04.38 | cwheeler | now it works fine |
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| 20:05.29 | CyL | cwheeler: already tried that, no good... it is a dlink |
| 20:06.00 | cwheeler | that's the only idea i have |
| 20:06.15 | CyL | cwheeler: Thanks anyway for the advice |
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| 20:07.07 | cwheeler | yw |
| 20:07.26 | cwheeler | took me a long time to figure that out, I had to use a 100' cat 5 cable for awhile |
| 20:07.31 | Iridos | encryption? |
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| 20:11.30 | Iridos | CyL, what type of encryption does the router use? |
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| 20:12.08 | Iridos | you could switch it to using no encryption, see if you can connect and then work your way up |
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| 20:13.15 | CyL | Iridos: WPA/WPA2 PSK |
| 20:13.33 | CyL | Iridos: I'd better bot interfere with the router setup, it is not mine |
| 20:13.40 | CyL | *s/bot/not |
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| 20:14.22 | Iridos | you better check it, though... it might allow access only to certain mac addresses |
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| 20:15.41 | Iridos | !wpasupplicant |
| 20:15.41 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 20:15.57 | Iridos | CyL, did you go through the troubleshooting steps in that? |
| 20:16.06 | cahoot | figure out what module it uses (lspci -k | grep -i net; modprobe -r and modprobe the module; read the last 10-20 lines of dmesg for any complaints |
| 20:16.18 | CyL | Iridos: well, in fact I'd like just not to change it's currents setting, but I'm logged into its web config interface and can assure the router is not filtering macs |
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| 20:22.24 | rubin110 | Looking for a good tutorial on doing a Debian Squeeze/Win7 dual boot setup, where Windows 7 is already installed? |
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| 20:23.15 | tbsaunde | hey, will a default initrd support uncrypted lvm containing a encrypted volume for root? as in the volume is a luks partition? |
| 20:23.44 | daemonkeeper | Its not complicated enough to require a tutorial, rubin110. Install Windows, leave som space untouched, boot Debian installer. Done. |
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| 20:24.26 | jhutchins | rubin110: Nothing special about it, the installer will let you shrink the Windows partition and set up the bootloader. When you reboot into Debian, run update-grub (in a console, as root) and it will pick up Windows (and any other OS) and make it available as a boot menu option. |
| 20:24.48 | rubin110 | jhutchins: Should I use the graphical installer from Squeeze? |
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| 20:25.13 | rubin110 | Also I want to push to Sid, is installing Squeeze first the right thing to do? |
| 20:25.22 | jhutchins | rubin110: I've only run the squeeze installer once, I used the netinstall from a USB created by unetbootin (in linux). |
| 20:25.40 | jhutchins | rubin110: No, you don't want sid. Get to know squeeze and the package manager first. |
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| 20:25.53 | jhutchins | !sid |
| 20:25.53 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian, but in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 20:26.04 | rubin110 | jhutchins: I've got Sid on other machines, I know what it is and how horrible it can be, etc. :P |
| 20:26.22 | rubin110 | I just don't rmember if I installed from stable or testing or what. |
| 20:26.37 | jhutchins | rubin110: Yet you asking complete-newb questions about dual boot. Interesting. |
| 20:27.04 | rubin110 | jhutchins: I just got a new job and they want me to keep the Windows partition. |
| 20:27.11 | rubin110 | I haven't touched Windows in like 10 years? |
| 20:27.13 | jhutchins | rubin110: Most people run dual boot for quite a while before they commit to linux. |
| 20:27.36 | jhutchins | !tell rubin110 about ig |
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| 20:27.59 | jhutchins | rubin110: See message from dpkg for a detailed reference. |
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| 20:36.39 | iateadonut | i used dd to make an image of a partition, and ls -l gives a larger size for the .dd image than df gives for the parition size. is this correct? |
| 20:37.31 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 20:37.33 | frostschutz | iateadonut: blockdev --getsize64 /dev/device should give the same size as ls -l |
| 20:37.45 | Pihti | iateadonut: if the size is about same then it is correct |
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| 20:38.18 | Pihti | df does not take account the filesystem overhead |
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| 20:39.15 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 20:39.48 | Pihti | iateadonut: if you want to check that size with df, mount the dd image through a loop |
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| 20:40.02 | Pihti | then you should see same size if every file is same |
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| 20:48.01 | rhada | I trying to rename a file and its contents here is the command mv /etc/news/filter/cleanfeed filter_inn.pl what happens is that the file cleanfeed dissapers and the file filter-innd.pl stays the same |
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| 20:49.52 | jhutchins_lt | rhada: remove the target file first (rm). |
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| 20:51.02 | erix | Hi all |
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| 20:52.03 | rhada | jhutchins_It: you mean filter_innd.pl |
| 20:52.15 | jhutchins_lt | rhada: Right. |
| 20:52.43 | rhada | and then run the command again |
| 20:53.02 | jhutchins_lt | rhada: Well, you'd need to get the cleanfeed file back from somewhere. |
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| 20:53.35 | jhutchins_lt | Oh - no, what you did was you renamed /etc/news/cleanfeed to ./filter_inn.pl |
| 20:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | rhada: You moved it to a file named filter_inn.pl in your current directory. |
| 20:55.06 | jhutchins_lt | rhada: You have to specify the full path if you're renaming something in a directory other than the current one. so mv filter_inn.pl /etc/news/filter/ should do what you want and replace the target. |
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| 20:56.32 | rhada | ok i am trying to rename the file cleanfeed to filter_innd.pl - both cleanfeed and filter_innd.pl are in /etc/news/filter/ |
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| 20:57.25 | cookiemon5ter | how do you clean out unneeded packages |
| 20:58.14 | justin_ | define clean out |
| 20:58.20 | jhutchins_lt | rhada: Two options: |
| 20:58.45 | cookiemon5ter | justin_: remove unneeded deps that were required for a package that was once installed |
| 20:58.46 | jhutchins_lt | rhada: 1) cd /etc/news/filter && mv cleanfeed filter_inn.pl |
| 20:59.08 | stew | cookiemon5ter: apt-get autoremove , or just use aptitude which does this whenever you install/remove packages |
| 20:59.15 | jhutchins_lt | rhada: 2) mv /etc/news/filter/cleanfeed /etc/news/filter/filter_inn.pl |
| 20:59.32 | justin_ | mv /etc/news/filter/{cleanfeed,filter_inn.pl} |
| 20:59.54 | Pihti | is pissed off: why EVERY single unit has to have different power supply although voltages and amperes are same???? |
| 20:59.59 | cookiemon5ter | stew: thanks |
| 21:00.17 | rhada | justin: thanks |
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| 21:00.35 | rhada | jhutchins_It: thanks |
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| 21:01.09 | jhutchins_lt | Pihti: Great Connector Conspiracy (see Google). |
| 21:01.37 | jhutchins_lt | rhada: Not having SOME form of vi on a system wouldn't feel much like linux. |
| 21:02.10 | rhada | ok i use nano |
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| 21:13.18 | Simon14 | Can anyone tell me what happened to mozilla.debian.net? |
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| 21:13.28 | Sazpaimon | i haven't had to do this in a while, is debian-multimedia kaput? |
| 21:13.41 | Sazpaimon | if so, where have up-to-date media related packages gone? |
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| 21:15.22 | wols | Simon14: it's on alioth and alioth is down |
| 21:15.36 | Simon14 | wols: Ok thanks |
| 21:15.40 | wols | Sazpaimon: what makes you think so? |
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| 21:17.38 | Sazpaimon | wols, http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 21:17.49 | Sazpaimon | it's returning a blank page |
| 21:17.53 | karlpinc | Aside from wacking up a quick script, what's a good way to display a number in various bases, say base 10 to base 2 etc. |
| 21:18.04 | wols | Sazpaimon: and the repo updates? |
| 21:18.36 | Sazpaimon | I dont have the repo URL handy |
| 21:19.06 | Corey | In CentOS / other RedHat derived operating systems, I can "sudo bash" and still end up with my .bashrc applying to the root shell; in Debian sudo bash results in reading root's .bashrc; why? |
| 21:19.23 | karlpinc | Humm. Probably using bc and setting ibase and obase.... |
| 21:19.23 | Bushmills | karlpinc: bc ibase and obase |
| 21:19.28 | jhutchins_lt | I'm getting the regular dmm page here. |
| 21:19.33 | karlpinc | Bushmills: :) |
| 21:19.42 | jhutchins_lt | W/ squeeze iceweasel. |
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| 21:19.57 | Bushmills | karlpinc: or any forth interpreter |
| 21:20.13 | jhutchins_lt | Corey: Idiot protection. |
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| 21:20.40 | jhutchins_lt | Corey: Actually, that's the way sudo's supposed to work. |
| 21:20.55 | Bushmills | bc <<< "obase=16; ibase=2; 11010110" |
| 21:21.06 | jhutchins_lt | Corey: It worked that way in CentOS. |
| 21:21.07 | fenugreek | Corey: sure Red Hat doesn't just have the same default .bashrc for bother users |
| 21:21.18 | fenugreek | for both users* |
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| 21:24.10 | Corey | jhutchins_lt, fenugreek: Quite: I have a custom prompt that's not found in root's .bashrc, only in mine. |
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| 21:28.38 | erra-saar | hi all |
| 21:28.39 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Nice. I've not used <<< before. (Too bad it's a bashism.) |
| 21:29.05 | Bushmills | use echo "..." | bc on non-bash |
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| 21:29.49 | zezikaro | how can i get aspx on debian? |
| 21:30.02 | MrFrood | wonders what Bushmills recomend for use in a Thompsom shell... |
| 21:30.50 | karlpinc | zezikaro: Doesn't php have some sort of compatiblity mode? |
| 21:31.04 | Bushmills | echo ... >bc> ? |
| 21:31.15 | foetus | ? |
| 21:31.29 | foetus | ;) |
| 21:31.36 | zezikaro | karlpinc For aspx? o.O |
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| 21:31.41 | fenugreek | zezikaro: with mono |
| 21:31.56 | fenugreek | mod_mono for Apache, if you prefer |
| 21:32.03 | zezikaro | I've tried mod_mon |
| 21:32.03 | MrFrood | Bushmills if I could remember how to get the bot to give you a beer in here I would :) |
| 21:32.05 | zezikaro | mono* |
| 21:32.07 | zezikaro | some sources say I need xsp |
| 21:32.10 | zezikaro | some say i don't |
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| 21:32.27 | zezikaro | Do you know of any links I can look at perhaps? |
| 21:32.36 | fenugreek | zezikaro: it comes with a package you will need, I don't think you'll need to run xsp, though |
| 21:32.40 | zezikaro | I have mono installed currently (I believe), But I can't get it to work |
| 21:32.51 | zezikaro | I previously had xsp but it didn't seem to work, then I found out there was xsp2 |
| 21:32.54 | fenugreek | did you want to run it with Apache? |
| 21:32.57 | zezikaro | yea |
| 21:33.04 | fenugreek | then you want mod_mono, not xsp, AIUI |
| 21:33.04 | zezikaro | I have apache on debian |
| 21:33.12 | Bushmills | MrFrood: you can send me the money for a beer, and i buy me a beer for it? |
| 21:33.29 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 21:33.33 | zezikaro | hm |
| 21:33.38 | fenugreek | xsp will be a dep of mod_mono, though |
| 21:33.45 | zezikaro | I have mod_mono2 |
| 21:33.46 | MrFrood | cheques in the post :-| |
| 21:33.47 | fenugreek | it'll be present but you can ignore it |
| 21:33.57 | zezikaro | I did #apt-get install libapache2-mod-mono mono-apache-server2 |
| 21:34.13 | zezikaro | and it seems to have worked as it restarted apache fine, and typing #mono works fine |
| 21:34.16 | Bushmills | cheaper than bottles |
| 21:34.21 | zezikaro | But I can't get addType to work with aspx if that makes sense |
| 21:34.32 | zezikaro | http://www.alanfoster.me/test.aspx Will try to make you download it |
| 21:34.36 | zezikaro | rather than read it as php |
| 21:34.46 | zezikaro | i've tried AddType within sites-available |
| 21:35.10 | zezikaro | And thank you for helping |
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| 21:35.45 | fenugreek | zezikaro: well PHP doesn't factor into it |
| 21:35.47 | niklaswe | how can i fix my grub with the debian cd or pxeboot |
| 21:35.55 | fenugreek | niklaswe: depends on how it's broken |
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| 21:36.17 | niklaswe | fenugreek: i reinstall windows to gaming.. |
| 21:36.18 | zezikaro | fenugreek Apologies, rather than read it as being mono/aspx |
| 21:36.35 | zezikaro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:36.56 | niklaswe | fenugreek: i have start the "installer" and Executing a shell.. but i cant mount my discs.. |
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| 21:37.07 | niklaswe | i doesn't see them in /dev |
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| 21:37.19 | fenugreek | niklaswe: which Debian version? |
| 21:37.33 | niklaswe | debian stable (6.0) |
| 21:37.58 | karlpinc | While we're on the subject of shells, what's the right way to start bc with scale preset. (I can't think of a way to inject something into stdin when it's still connected to the tty.) |
| 21:38.16 | karlpinc | bc has no .rc file. |
| 21:38.25 | fenugreek | karlpinc: it saves, doesn't it? |
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| 21:39.32 | karlpinc | fenugreek: I don't think so. Not on squeeze anyway. (I suppose I could always use -l, but I'm sort of interested in the general case.) |
| 21:39.45 | zezikaro | fenugreek Any idea of how I can test if it's working properly/set it up to work with /test.aspx ? |
| 21:39.45 | karlpinc | fenugreek: In any case then you'd have to type something to load.... |
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| 21:40.52 | fenugreek | karlpinc: hrmmm, I always use -l for funcs.bc, so maybe that's why |
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| 21:41.31 | fenugreek | zezikaro: <%@ page language="vb" %><% response.write("foo") %> |
| 21:42.20 | niklaswe | fenugreek: any ide? |
| 21:42.38 | fenugreek | niklaswe: I forget which version of GRUB Debian 6 is using |
| 21:42.49 | niklaswe | fenugreek: grub2 |
| 21:43.24 | foetus | go to bed |
| 21:43.44 | niklaswe | when i trying to boot from livecd and chroot to it.. i got chroot: cannot run command: /bin/bash : Exec format error |
| 21:43.48 | zezikaro | fenugreek I have create the file that does that |
| 21:43.56 | zezikaro | But it won't work when i access the file |
| 21:44.29 | Bushmills | karlpinc: without pipe are redirection, from command line: gforth -e '$123 2 base ! u. bye' |
| 21:44.40 | fenugreek | niklaswe: you could use easybcd in Windows to load GRUB, and then it'd be easier to fix GRUB inside Debian |
| 21:44.42 | Bushmills | wihtout pipe *or* redirection ... |
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| 21:44.56 | fenugreek | zezikaro: how're you accessing it? |
| 21:45.16 | zezikaro | fenugreek browser |
| 21:45.18 | niklaswe | fenugreek: is it built in in windows? |
| 21:45.40 | zezikaro | I can't see a #mono run command either |
| 21:45.44 | zezikaro | in mono --hepl |
| 21:45.45 | zezikaro | help* |
| 21:46.12 | Corey | Is there an up to date document for how to create a debian repository? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto is marked as obsolete. |
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| 21:46.28 | Corey | [A]ddicted: A modular kernel? :-) |
| 21:46.29 | [A]ddicted | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.32 | macrobat | niklaswe: are you chrooting from 32bit into 64bit? |
| 21:46.41 | [A]ddicted | Corey, windows isn't ? |
| 21:46.41 | Corey | [A]ddicted: Any other homework questions we can answer for you? |
| 21:46.45 | fenugreek | zezikaro: where? |
| 21:46.50 | fenugreek | niklaswe: no it's a free 3rd party package |
| 21:47.05 | [A]ddicted | Corey, not a homework, i just need keywords to start with :) |
| 21:47.10 | fenugreek | niklaswe: tells Windows' bootloader where GRUB is, so you can boot it |
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| 21:47.48 | Bushmills | or: bashforth hex 123 2 base ! . bye ( interpreter is http://www.forthfreak.net/bashforth <- there ) |
| 21:48.14 | karlpinc | Bushmills: No. I want to invoke bc (or anything) interactivly and after it starts have *something* inject commands into stdin to setup my interactive session. In my case I want bc to see, say, "scale=10" and then drop me into interactive mode. But again, I'm curious if there's a generic shell way to do this. |
| 21:48.43 | zezikaro | fenugreek I noticed you a link to it |
| 21:48.50 | zezikaro | you can download it and see that it's valid .net |
| 21:48.59 | [A]ddicted | Corey, Windows isn't modular? |
| 21:49.05 | zezikaro | I can't see how to test it within the CLI |
| 21:49.11 | zezikaro | or through the browser |
| 21:49.20 | Bushmills | there's exists a "y" utility to merge two inputs, but i haven't seen that on linux yet. |
| 21:49.33 | fenugreek | zezikaro: this doesn't seem to be configured to use mod_mono |
| 21:49.46 | karlpinc | Bushmills: It's not like I really care. Just looking to level-up my geek-fu. |
| 21:50.02 | fenugreek | zezikaro: think you're still trying to us xasp |
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| 21:50.11 | zezikaro | fenugreek I used the command : #apt-get install libapache2-mod-mono mono-apache-server2 |
| 21:50.16 | fenugreek | xsp* |
| 21:50.29 | smallchange | \quit |
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| 21:51.12 | Bushmills | try (echo "scale=10"; cat)|bc |
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| 21:55.47 | fenugreek | zezikaro: dunno, you have -D MONO in your conf? |
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| 21:56.37 | zezikaro | fenugreek from http://mono-project.com/Mod_mono |
| 21:56.47 | zezikaro | Requirements You will need apache (http://httpd.apache.org) , the web server, installed. From Downloads you will need mono, xsp and mod_mono. |
| 21:56.59 | zezikaro | it says i need xsp? |
| 21:57.11 | fenugreek | yes, but as I already said... several times... xsp is a dep of mod_mono |
| 21:57.13 | fenugreek | you can ignore it |
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| 21:57.36 | zezikaro | when you say dep |
| 21:57.38 | zezikaro | what do you mean |
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| 21:59.24 | nyk2005 | I'm trying to upgrade my debian lenny, but I always get "FATAL: kernel too old" after "Setting up libgcc1 (1:4.4.5-8) ...". How can I upgrade the kernel or what solution would there be? |
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| 22:01.01 | rajkosto | hey, if i use multiple ips on one interface, do i have to have one as primary, without the : ? |
| 22:01.34 | rajkosto | or can i have eth0:0 eth0:1 eth0:2 |
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| 22:02.11 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm trying to sniff some data within my network with: msgsnarf and urlsnarf but after a few hours of running these programs in the terminal, both of the commands are killed automatically. here's how i ran the commands: "urlsnarf -i eth0 >> url" and "msgsnarf -i eth0 >> msg" (both sudo). how do i keep these commands running as-long-as the system is on? |
| 22:03.17 | fenugreek | zezikaro: it doesn't matter, you can ignore it, you can ignore it, you can ignore it |
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| 22:04.46 | wols | nyk2005: which kernel do you run? you could "dpkg -i newkernel" |
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| 22:05.47 | nyk2005 | wols: I'm running 2.6.9-022stab078.21-enterprise #1 SMP Fri Sep 8 22:46:58 MSD 2006 i686. |
| 22:06.29 | wols | nyk2005: that's not a debian kernel. is this a VPS or such? |
| 22:06.35 | nyk2005 | wols: but should I see what linux-image package is installed when searching "aptitude search linux-image". They are all "p" or "v". |
| 22:06.40 | fenugreek | zezikaro: xsp is a dep of mod_mono, mod_mono dep-ends on having it |
| 22:06.42 | nyk2005 | wols: virtuozo |
| 22:06.56 | zezikaro | oh |
| 22:06.58 | fenugreek | zezikaro: so apt will draw it in if you install mod_mono, you don't have to install it manually |
| 22:06.58 | zezikaro | hm |
| 22:07.00 | fenugreek | and you don't have to think about it |
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| 22:07.08 | zezikaro | Then I don't know what to do |
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| 22:07.10 | zezikaro | thanks for the hepl |
| 22:07.12 | zezikaro | help* |
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| 22:07.32 | nyk2005 | wols: it's virtualization on the kernel level, but surely it must be possible to upgrade... |
| 22:07.45 | wols | nyk2005: ask your VPS provider to run a recent disktro. this is a stone age RH kernel |
| 22:07.53 | wols | nyk2005: you cannot install your own kernel in a VPS |
| 22:08.00 | fenugreek | zezikaro: you need -D MONO in your apache conf |
| 22:08.06 | Qation | Can anyone help me with networkmanager? I uninstalled gdm3 and now I cannot connect to any networks. I can see them available but nothing happens if I try to connect to one? |
| 22:08.10 | fenugreek | zezikaro: and to undo whatever you did when you were trying to configure xsp |
| 22:08.24 | wols | nyk2005: no it's not possible. the newer udev and the likes can't work with a kernel that old (it's from 2006). Any new distro will fail on this kernel |
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| 22:08.47 | zezikaro | fenugreek I just did apt-get remove --purge *previous stuff* |
| 22:08.48 | zezikaro | that would be fine? |
| 22:09.02 | zezikaro | oh wtf |
| 22:09.08 | zezikaro | it's still there when i type #mono |
| 22:09.09 | zezikaro | o.o |
| 22:09.40 | nyk2005 | wols: thanks a lot for the info! I ask the admin to upgrade. Strange that he hasn't... maybe he left some vps on machines running old kernels, until they complain.. |
| 22:09.48 | Qation | I've tried tweeking the files in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
| 22:09.53 | Qation | tweaking* |
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| 22:11.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Which package should I install for a very minimal Xorg without the drivers like intel/ openchrome etc after a netinstall? |
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| 22:13.10 | wols | sh4d3sl4y3r_: there is none. is this megabyte per driver or so that problematic for you? if it is you will hate xfonts... |
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| 22:13.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wols: its just i need a very minimalistic system with LXDE which i use.. and i have an nvidia card. for which i use the proprietary driver |
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| 22:14.16 | fenugreek | zezikaro: you don't need to remove anything, just undo any config stuff for xsp you did, you want mod_mono |
| 22:14.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | however installing xorg metapackage installs other drivers which i dont need |
| 22:14.29 | zezikaro | i didn't change any config really |
| 22:14.31 | zezikaro | :< |
| 22:14.34 | zezikaro | *unsure what to do* |
| 22:14.35 | Michalxo | hello! could anyone try to help me about intel drivers? |
| 22:14.40 | fenugreek | zezikaro: yes you did |
| 22:14.54 | zezikaro | I didn't? i don't think |
| 22:14.58 | zezikaro | i really haven't lol |
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| 22:15.14 | fenugreek | did you install mod_mono? |
| 22:15.19 | MrFrood | Michalxo: drivers for what? |
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| 22:15.36 | zezikaro | fenugreek apt-get install libapache2-mod-mono mono-apache-server2 |
| 22:15.37 | zezikaro | i did that |
| 22:16.12 | Michalxo | MrFrood: intel hd graphics.. I have DRI/Mesa.. are there any other drivers? |
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| 22:16.27 | rue_shop2 | how do I remove epiphany without losing gnome? |
| 22:17.31 | MrFrood | !tell Michalxo about intel graphics |
| 22:17.33 | Bushmills | change auto flag of the gnome packages which you want to keep, and purge it. gnome - the meta package - will be removed too |
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| 22:17.40 | Arrowmaster | sh4d3sl4y3r_: that is going to be impossible because the xserver-xorg package depends on xserver-xorg-video-all or xserver-xorg-video-6 virtual package |
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| 22:18.21 | rue_shop2 | when did gnome become a metapackage? |
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| 22:18.29 | rue_shop2 | I thought it was the gui subsystem? |
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| 22:18.40 | wols | Arrowmaster: nothing's impossible. it's all software... but it's a lot of work for no/minimal gain |
| 22:18.47 | MrFrood | Michalxo: I use mostly nvidia so I can only offer the bots advice but maybe someone else can advise you... |
| 22:18.54 | wols | rue_shop2: since forever? |
| 22:19.12 | Michalxo | MrFrood: I've used it too.. until it crashed in older laptop :-( |
| 22:19.15 | rue_shop2 | so I should worry about apt-get telling me its getting rid of gnome? |
| 22:19.17 | Michalxo | burned... |
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| 22:19.57 | Arrowmaster | wols: right he could use equivs but theres not really a point |
| 22:20.06 | Michalxo | rue_shop2: apt-get remove epiphany; aptitude keep-all ? |
| 22:20.20 | rue_shop2 | oh dpkg -L gnome kinda says it all dosn't it? |
| 22:20.44 | moele | anyone good Video Editors for Linux, im looking for something simliar to Cyberlink Powerdirector |
| 22:20.54 | Bushmills | no. it doesn't say "when did it become..." |
| 22:21.32 | fenugreek | moele: kdenlive |
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| 22:21.44 | wols | Michalxo: sandy bridge? |
| 22:22.04 | moele | fenugreek, for gnome :) |
| 22:22.07 | Michalxo | underclocked i3 -> u5600 |
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| 22:22.25 | Michalxo | yes |
| 22:22.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | gnome is history.. lxde is the future :P |
| 22:22.38 | moele | heh |
| 22:22.58 | rue_shop2 | see, like |
| 22:23.14 | rue_shop2 | if I say to remove evolution, evolution evolution-exchange gnome-accessibility gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment |
| 22:23.23 | rue_shop2 | are in its remove list |
| 22:23.29 | rue_shop2 | its verry unnerving |
| 22:23.52 | rue_shop2 | I'm sure gnome-core dosn't depend on evolution |
| 22:24.04 | rue_shop2 | ? |
| 22:24.28 | Bushmills | it doesd |
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| 22:24.37 | moele | fenugreek, how about freej or avidemux |
| 22:24.38 | rue_shop2 | so why does apt want to get rid of it |
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| 22:24.59 | Bushmills | because it depends on it |
| 22:25.16 | rue_shop2 | your telling me gnome-core depends on evolution mail |
| 22:25.27 | Bushmills | apt-cache depends gnome-core |
| 22:25.38 | wols | Michalxo: you probably need to run wheezy or such. when squeeze was frozen, sandybridge wasn't out yet and hece no drivers for it |
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| 22:26.32 | Michalxo | well.. it says that direct rendering is on, and I get 340 fps in glxgears... |
| 22:26.38 | fenugreek | moele: probably less like what you want, but who knows |
| 22:26.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | Right now I have Squeeze installed with 2GB of ram on this machine and its only using 260MB ram roughly. Thats really great and all. But is there any settings, packages, etc, to allow it to use more ram to improve system speed etc? I mean, its there but not getting used. |
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| 22:27.21 | fenugreek | rue_shop2: which command? |
| 22:27.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | Also if I upgrade to 4GB ram can I actually utilize it all? |
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| 22:27.36 | sickgut | linuxguy2009 it doesnt work like that |
| 22:27.50 | sickgut | free ram is good, used ram is bad |
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| 22:28.05 | rue_shop2 | if I say apt-get remove evolution, it says its gonna remove evolution evolution-exchange gnome-accessibility gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment |
| 22:28.24 | wols | LinuxGuy2009: linux ALWAYS uses all the RAM. and yes with a bigmem kernel you can use all 4GB on 32bit debian |
| 22:28.32 | sickgut | and if your not going to use 4gb ram then upgrading to it wont do anything |
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| 22:28.38 | wols | rue_shop2: and? |
| 22:28.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok I just wondered. |
| 22:29.02 | rue_shop2 | I think I want to keep gnome-core dont I? |
| 22:29.06 | sickgut | i have a question |
| 22:29.23 | Bushmills | rue_shop2: that's just another meta package |
| 22:29.25 | wols | rue_shop2: no. it's a metapackage. it doesn't remove any actual software |
| 22:29.36 | rue_shop2 | I think without gnome, installed,its not sure why its got all the other packages, the autoclean list is craaaazy |
| 22:30.00 | babilen | sickgut: free ram is actually bad ram, as it could be put to use to cache data which has already been accessed earlier |
| 22:30.04 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm trying to sniff some data within my network with: msgsnarf and urlsnarf but after a few hours of running these programs in the terminal, both of the commands are killed automatically. here's how i ran the commands: "urlsnarf -i eth0 >> url" and "msgsnarf -i eth0 >> msg" (both sudo). how do i keep these commands running as-long-as the system is on? |
| 22:30.06 | MrFrood | rue_shop2: just mark them manually installed |
| 22:30.10 | rue_shop2 | ok, I'm not trying to drive here, but seriosly, it would be nice if there was a hint int eh name of the package that it was a metapackage |
| 22:30.11 | sickgut | i have a software package in .sfs format (ie, filesystem inside a file) i can mount it with: mount -o loop filename.sfs /dirname just fi ne but im wanting to know what i have to do to get /etc/fstab to mount it |
| 22:30.40 | Bushmills | rue_shop2: apt-cache show gnome-core |
| 22:30.41 | rue_shop2 | I think your trying to get me into managing my packages via gui.... |
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| 22:31.02 | rue_shop2 | I can see from dpkg -L its a metapackage |
| 22:31.45 | sickgut | a line in fstab with this: /filename.sfs /dirname ext4 ro 0 0 doesnt seem to work |
| 22:32.03 | rue_shop2 | and I wont do autoclean as I can see why its confused about why those packags are there |
| 22:32.23 | wols | sickgut: add the loop option as you did with your mount command |
| 22:32.34 | Bushmills | autoclean? |
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| 22:32.41 | sickgut | where in the fstab line do i add it? |
| 22:32.59 | rue_shop2 | Bushmills, apt-get autoclean |
| 22:33.24 | rue_shop2 | I'll keep to deborphan for package cleanups |
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| 22:33.34 | Bushmills | what has that to do with dependency management or auto vs manually installed packages? |
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| 22:33.47 | wols | sickgut: where the options go. http://www.google.com/search?q=fstab+loop+mount+a+file |
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| 22:35.22 | Bushmills | could it be you're confusing autoremove and autoclean? |
| 22:35.31 | rue_shop2 | :) I have a trike I have to figure out the ackermann steering for |
| 22:35.49 | rue_shop2 | yes autoremove, sorry |
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| 22:36.51 | neil_ | I have installed debian on an old mac G4 but the GUI isn't working! ... a display comes up with a mosaic of colours over the bottom of the screen and the boot halts. |
| 22:37.00 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 22:37.00 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:37.27 | jhujhiti | does anyone know how to get the mit kerberos library to give me detailed debugging information? |
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| 22:41.16 | wooster | just throw away your g4 |
| 22:41.18 | wooster | seriously |
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| 22:41.33 | abrotman | or use it .. |
| 22:41.45 | wooster | no throw it away |
| 22:41.48 | abrotman | neil_: the #debianppc on irc.oftc.net is bigger than the one here |
| 22:41.53 | abrotman | wooster: if you're not going to help, go away |
| 22:42.02 | gnarface | neil_: which G4? laptop? titanium? which series? |
| 22:42.15 | abrotman | neil_: i have a G4 mini, i have a similar issue on squeeze, worked with lenny |
| 22:42.23 | simonlnu | wooster: shut up |
| 22:43.12 | gnarface | neil_: most the time its just a question of getting the official (non-free) drivers for the video card and not letting xorg auto-detect what should be written in the xorg.conf manually. occasionally with the really early g4's though the integrated video cards need more... babysitting |
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| 22:43.52 | abrotman | gnarface: in a machine that old, the fglrx/nvidia likely won't support the device anymore |
| 22:44.20 | gnarface | abrotman: there are official nvidia drivers all the way back to the riva128 though |
| 22:44.30 | gnarface | abrotman: just gotta use the right legacy branch |
| 22:44.43 | abrotman | gnarface: 'legacy' i suppose .. i don't know if those are official anymore .. i don't buy nvidia hardware |
| 22:45.11 | neil_ | gnarface, I am not know much about the macs it is a desktop thou. |
| 22:45.22 | gnarface | abrotman: as for the really old ati hardware, open source drivers should work for those eras of cards... mostly. things get weird with tv out though |
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| 22:46.01 | Makuew | why does not this command work? tar -lcp --numeric-owner -f /path/tar.tar |
| 22:46.04 | neil_ | abrotman, I have connected to it.. I will see if anyone there can answer. |
| 22:46.19 | abrotman | gnarface: it doesn't .. though i'm passing the mini apple-dvi through a a converter to a VGA adapter into an HD tv .. not really suprrised it doesn't work |
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| 22:46.32 | gnarface | neil_: step 1, pastebin your xorg log file after a crash/failure and pastebin the output of lspci |
| 22:47.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | Makuew: good question. why doesn't it work? care to include an error message? |
| 22:47.42 | abrotman | gnarface: i have a bug filed somewhere .. i need ot file another .. a) Xorg -configure doesn't work b) the driver has a regression |
| 22:47.53 | gnarface | abrotman: i'd bet 1$ that all you're missing is a well-written xorg.conf file and a magic modeline. |
| 22:48.00 | neil_ | gnarface, ok... once it stops, I can't seem to be able to do anything to get a console <ctrl><alt><f1> doesn't do anything. |
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| 22:48.07 | abrotman | gnarface: if you'd like to debug it .. knock yourself out :) |
| 22:48.16 | gnarface | abrotman: mac mini g4 you said? |
| 22:48.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:48.27 | gnarface | abrotman: i'll need specs on your tv as well |
| 22:48.41 | abrotman | gnarface: uh .. Panasonic thingie? :) |
| 22:48.55 | gnarface | has dozens of crts and a projector... |
| 22:48.59 | wols | very scientific description abrotman |
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| 22:49.13 | gnarface | still can't write a modeline by hand but often has found them to be necessary |
| 22:50.08 | gnarface | abrotman: you're right it *should* work, it IS a bug... but sometimes the problem can be as much the display's fault as the video card's or it's drivers |
| 22:51.12 | sickgut | .. /live/image/java.sfs /java squashfs loop 0 0 |
| 22:51.13 | sickgut | yay i t works |
| 22:51.42 | sickgut | thanks wols |
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| 22:57.35 | karlpinc | abrotman: Hey, I want to pass a Mac Mini dvi through a converter to a vga adapter into a hdtv too! But I'm too lazy start the project. (Mine's got a dual 1.6G Intel in it.) |
| 22:57.55 | abrotman | karlpinc: but my video card is an old radeon .. |
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| 23:01.57 | dokma | ok... seems I have finally managed to chroot into my newly configured jail |
| 23:02.19 | dokma | I do have one problem though... it only works when I find /home/jail -exec chmod 777 {} \; |
| 23:02.42 | dokma | as soon as I change anything on /home/jail/home/anon it stops working |
| 23:02.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | schroot ftw |
| 23:03.21 | dokma | could it be because /home is drwxrwsr-x ??? is that little s in there a problem? |
| 23:03.28 | dokma | Kamping_Kaiser: talking to me? |
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| 23:04.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | dokma: potentially. i've got no idea what you are doing or what you hae done, so its hard to comment on the specifics of your problem |
| 23:05.11 | dokma | Kamping_Kaiser: I used make_chroot_jail.sh from www.fuschlberger.net |
| 23:05.25 | dokma | run it like this: make_chroot_jail.sh anon |
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| 23:05.45 | dokma | it creates /home/jail with all the needed stuff such as libs and binaries |
| 23:05.59 | dokma | and then it creates /home/jail/home/anon folder where the user should be jailed |
| 23:06.20 | dokma | but since it only works when I find /home/jail -exec chmod 777 {} \; |
| 23:06.26 | dokma | the user can get out of his home folder |
| 23:06.38 | dokma | so now I'll try and create a new jail outside of home |
| 23:06.52 | dokma | I'll go with /var/lib/jail this time and see how it goes |
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| 23:13.49 | rajkosto | hey, you know that ncurses dialog i get when i install some package when it asks about its config ? i cant seem to get that |
| 23:14.12 | rajkosto | is that a confguration setting or something |
| 23:14.12 | Bushmills | dokma: jailer won't do what you need? |
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| 23:15.31 | abrotman | rajkosto: for which package? |
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| 23:15.47 | rajkosto | courier, postfix, proftpd |
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| 23:16.04 | Bushmills | dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 23:16.38 | rajkosto | why didnt apt-get remove --purge courier* and then reinstall bring them back ? |
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| 23:17.41 | Bushmills | apt-get reinstall has no reason to reinstall what has been purged |
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| 23:19.53 | abrotman | rajkosto: the questions had already been answered |
| 23:20.15 | rajkosto | apt-get install |
| 23:20.26 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:21.04 | bencc | what is the difference between hostname and the long hostanme? |
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| 23:21.22 | bencc | I think hostname is in /etc/hostname |
| 23:21.31 | bencc | and the long hsotname? (fqdn) |
| 23:21.41 | abrotman | /etc/mailname |
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| 23:45.59 | dym | Hey - I'm looking for a way to manage multiple debian servers package management. Say there is a critical security update for debian i want to be able to perform the update with as little effort as possible on all available machines. any idea? |
| 23:46.24 | dym | without manually having to connect to each of them |
| 23:46.32 | dym | and also not fuilly automated. |
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| 23:49.31 | holymoo | hi guys |
| 23:50.18 | holymoo | whenever i set my console resolution to anything greater than 1024x768 via grub settings i cannot 'startx &' ... the box just crashes |
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| 23:50.52 | holymoo | i am assuming that i am probably missing some sort of terminal mode switch ... anyone have any tips for setting console to a rather high resolution and still being able to startx? |
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| 23:52.06 | FoxM | Hi. I am trying to use my soundcard's line-in input. What I am trying to do is using it as a bridge to my speakers, so I can listen what comes from the line-in, so when I send some sound through the line-in, I can listen to the same sound in the speakers. I have checked with kmix and alsamixer in various combinations but none seem to work, so how can I check that the line-in is working or not? |
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| 23:52.22 | vacho | FoxM, ask in #soundblaster channel |
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| 23:54.27 | FoxM | vacho: not sure of that, because I tried it in other os ;) and it works, so I think is some misconfiguration or driver support in linux. As I use debian squeezy, and is a fairly common motherboard (Intel 945) I don't know if asking there would be relevant... but I will try nontheless |
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