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| 00:00.34 | dserban | babilen: you forgot to mention i3-wm :) |
| 00:01.39 | abdelkhalak | dserban is that some sort of window manager? |
| 00:03.21 | abdelkhalak | shall i remove gnome? |
| 00:03.34 | abdelkhalak | i'm short of disk space |
| 00:03.49 | gnarface | remove it |
| 00:03.57 | gnarface | careful though some stuff relies on it |
| 00:04.22 | gnarface | or rather i should say, might rely on it if you've already installed it with a generic selection of stuff |
| 00:04.35 | abdelkhalak | gnarface: currently i have gnome-core installed |
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| 00:08.06 | dserban | abdelkhalak: i3 is a window manager yes... |
| 00:08.16 | babilen | abdelkhalak: Just remove it and reconsider when it wants to remove packages you'd like to keep. "aptitude unmarkauto" them or just reinstall them when the need arises. |
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| 00:11.49 | abdelkhalak | babilen thanks, i guess i'll use lxde and fluxbox and remove gnome altogether |
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| 00:12.10 | abdelkhalak | dserban have u tried it? |
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| 00:15.42 | roger21 | hi, can i list the packages of a tasksel task ? |
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| 00:17.01 | roger21 | oh ok found it |
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| 00:18.54 | mohamed-ragab | i have error "apt-get install bind9" get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) , what is it means ? |
| 00:19.55 | tharkun | Usually that your ran into some space problem in one of your drives or something that prevented dpkg from finishing your installation. It could be lots of things |
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| 00:20.16 | mohamed-ragab | i get this error "Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 00:20.17 | mohamed-ragab | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.17 | mohamed-ragab | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
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| 00:22.41 | latenite | Hi folks, I can not install packages anymore because of some "mongodb-stable" package. http://www.poeritz.de/paste/109 how can I solve that issue? |
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| 00:24.51 | afuentes | whats the difference between using pam_mount and fstab to mount something? |
| 00:25.10 | cookiemon5ter | latenite, apt-get install -f ? |
| 00:25.18 | somiaj | latenite: that package doesn't apear to exist in debian, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mongodb-stable |
| 00:26.09 | somiaj | latenite: it tells you what fails, invoke-rc.d: initscript mongodb, action "start" failed., so its init script is not working right. You'll have to figure out why and check out the place you got that package. |
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| 00:26.53 | latenite | somiaj, I just removed it....wonder why I had that anyway. But where is that initscript ? I'd like to tae a look at that |
| 00:27.27 | somiaj | latenite: initscripts are usually put in /etc/init.d/ -- |
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| 00:29.14 | latenite | somiaj, nice found it..thanks :) |
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| 00:46.48 | mohamed-ragab | how can install bind-chroot |
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| 00:53.04 | rhenani | hello guys |
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| 00:54.56 | rhenani | does some know what's the difference apt-cache search and apt-cache show |
| 00:55.15 | rhenani | for example: apt-cache show chromium-browser, apt-cache search chromium browser |
| 00:56.35 | somiaj | rhenani: have you read the man page about those options or tried it? |
| 00:57.42 | rhenani | somiaj: >.>! |
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| 01:19.09 | Guest5306 | hi when i run sudo apt-get update , what does hit and ign mean? |
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| 01:21.25 | stew | Guest5306: Hit means "i got this file", Ign means "the file wasn't there, but I can do without it anyway" |
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| 01:22.09 | Guest5306 | stew: ok so is there a problem with my sources.list? |
| 01:22.52 | stew | Guest5306: neither of these is an indication of a problem |
| 01:24.23 | Guest5306 | stew: so its normal? |
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| 01:37.34 | kassah | nice =) |
| 01:37.40 | SgrA | >_> |
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| 01:39.48 | DammitJim | I can't believe these spammers |
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| 01:40.25 | kassah | the latest messages seem non-sensical... maybe their designed to get you to provide your login info? I donno... |
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| 01:41.23 | DammitJim | how does one disable the beep for when one backspaces all the way to the beginning of a sentence? |
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| 01:44.02 | kassah | DammitJim, might also mention that you're using X-Chat 2.8.8 =) |
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| 01:45.22 | DammitJim | yes? |
| 01:48.08 | DammitJim | do you guys know how to install flash player for 64bit? |
| 01:48.42 | Arrowmaster | !flashplayer-nonfree |
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| 01:48.50 | Arrowmaster | !adobe flash |
| 01:48.50 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
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| 01:55.04 | jonesst1 | dammitjim, yes download it and put it in the plugin directory |
| 01:55.27 | jonesst1 | I think its /usr/mozilla/plugins |
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| 01:57.36 | DammitJim | that's the file that ends with .so? |
| 01:57.41 | DammitJim | man, I just did an apt-get instead |
| 01:57.51 | DammitJim | but I don't know if it's 64bit |
| 01:58.06 | DammitJim | I'm using google |
| 01:58.11 | DammitJim | chrome |
| 01:58.21 | jonesst1 | its just a single file |
| 01:58.30 | jonesst1 | get it from adobe |
| 01:58.45 | jonesst1 | you just put it in the right palce and restart firefox |
| 02:00.33 | jonesst1 | this is redhat but im pretty sure its the same |
| 02:00.37 | jonesst1 | -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 10606256 Feb 11 16:38 libflashplayer.so |
| 02:00.37 | jonesst1 | -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 5264 Jun 26 2010 librhythmbox-itms-detection-plugin.so |
| 02:00.38 | jonesst1 | -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 99080 Jul 23 2010 libtotem-cone-plugin.so |
| 02:00.38 | jonesst1 | -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 106888 Jul 23 2010 libtotem-gmp-plugin.so |
| 02:00.38 | jonesst1 | -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 70904 Jul 23 2010 libtotem-mully-plugin.so |
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| 02:00.54 | jonesst1 | oops |
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| 02:01.09 | jonesst1 | forgot about that |
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| 02:09.19 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 02:14.27 | BenNZ | hi am am having trouble mounting my usb and sd cards they all mount as read only, anyway i can fix this? |
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| 02:15.14 | somiaj | BenNZ: what file system? |
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| 02:15.36 | somiaj | BenNZ: the default ntfs driver is readonly, you'll have to install ntfs-3g first. |
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| 02:16.41 | ner0x | Is it possible to install from a "testing" install dvd? |
| 02:16.45 | BenNZ | somiaj: doesnt matter which filesystem |
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| 02:19.11 | dvs | locopen: visudo |
| 02:19.48 | somiaj | BenNZ: does it export why its mounting readonly? |
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| 02:20.35 | latenite | Hi folks, can someone please help me getting a JSP "helloworld" to run on my webserver? So far I got tomcat + apache running. I can also access the tomcat wenbackendtool. But now I dont know what to do next... |
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| 02:25.51 | BenNZ | somiaj: sorry i can only mount it using the mount command and when it mount it only mounts read only, it doesnt tell me why |
| 02:27.02 | somiaj | BenNZ: check dmesg, make sure you send the right options to mount. |
| 02:31.16 | BenNZ | somiaj: sorry just had to mount them so how do i use dmesg? |
| 02:32.08 | karlpinc | !dmesg |
| 02:32.08 | dpkg | dmesg is used to examine or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 02:32.25 | karlpinc | BenNZ: You type it. |
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| 02:33.01 | Tiny | anyone in here ever installed a zimbra mail server.. ive got a weird error |
| 02:33.02 | BenNZ | so i would type dmesg |grep mount? or..? |
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| 02:33.26 | karlpinc | BenNZ: You'd look at the more recent lines at the bottom. |
| 02:33.35 | karlpinc | !tell Tiny about anyone |
| 02:33.57 | BenNZ | karlpinc: so what am i looking for exactly |
| 02:34.15 | karlpinc | BenNZ: If we knew that we'd tell you how to fix it. |
| 02:34.45 | BenNZ | karlpinc: do you want me to pastebin the output? |
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| 02:35.00 | karlpinc | BenNZ: Look for something related to mounting. Or if you feel entirely clueless use the pastebinit program/package to pastebin the output so we can look. |
| 02:35.01 | somiaj | BenNZ: errors/warnings/messgages saying why its being reported as to why your being mounted read only |
| 02:35.11 | Tiny | Im installing a zimbra mail server and getting the following error Starting apache...httpd: Syntax error on line 232 of /opt/zimbra/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /opt/zimbra/httpd/modules/libphp5.so into server: /opt/zimbra/httpd/modules/libphp5.so: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied |
| 02:35.11 | Tiny | failed. |
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| 02:35.19 | Tiny | any suggestions? |
| 02:38.12 | somiaj | Tiny: where are you intall this from, I dont' see it inside of debian, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=zimbra |
| 02:38.29 | somiaj | Tiny: it seems you need to either disable the php module in the config file, or fix why it isn't loading. |
| 02:38.48 | BenNZ | somiaj: ok i dont know what im looking at , how do i use pastebinit? |
| 02:39.20 | Tiny | thx somiaj ill see if it will load without the module |
| 02:39.31 | nsadmin | Tiny, /opt isn't a place where debian installs anything |
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| 02:40.02 | somiaj | BenNZ: maybe someone else will help. I still think its because of your ntfs driver and you have ntfs file systems. Look up pastebin in google. copy/paste output. |
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| 02:41.01 | somiaj | BenNZ: another possiblity is if your mounting to a set location with mount /mnt/usb -- you may have the readonly set up in your fstab and have to change that |
| 02:41.06 | BenNZ | somiaj: the devices arent all ntfs, some are ext3 |
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| 02:41.27 | BenNZ | somiaj: they also dont mount using fstab , unless i use sudo mount -a |
| 02:41.41 | Edwardd | Is anybody currently looking for a *VPS*/*Seedbox*? |
| 02:42.08 | nsadmin | you should find additional sources of information (people on #debian are not required to know how to build things; a channel or mailing list which does support zimbra and all the pieces that zimbra uses would be better support) |
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| 02:43.14 | nsadmin | Edwardd, you're asking this because you are looking for? |
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| 02:44.05 | Edwardd | nsadmin, I provide. |
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| 02:57.53 | Edwardd | .. |
| 02:58.01 | Edwardd | dvs.. |
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| 02:58.04 | Edwardd | DVS |
| 02:58.06 | Edwardd | USES |
| 02:58.07 | Edwardd | TEKSAVVY |
| 02:58.09 | Edwardd | SO DO I |
| 02:58.12 | Edwardd | WE ARE CANADIAN |
| 02:58.40 | phate408 | yay? |
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| 02:58.56 | taglass | I think the proper respoense is "eh?" |
| 02:59.01 | Edwardd | EH |
| 02:59.02 | Edwardd | :D |
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| 03:01.52 | nvz | the proper response is to roll your eyes silently |
| 03:02.12 | Kobaz | valdyn: so now all my md5sums match |
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| 03:03.42 | Kobaz | ooo |
| 03:05.06 | un214 | oh good |
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| 03:06.47 | needle_ | Hey. I need to know the last debian release that did not use udev. |
| 03:07.16 | Kobaz | don't like udev? |
| 03:07.25 | needle_ | It caused bugs on SPARC64. |
| 03:07.33 | Kobaz | maybe like debian 3 or something |
| 03:07.36 | Kobaz | you can disable udev though |
| 03:07.41 | needle_ | How? |
| 03:07.42 | Kobaz | just don't start it |
| 03:07.46 | needle_ | Hmm ok. |
| 03:07.48 | needle_ | Thanks. |
| 03:08.00 | Kobaz | take it out of /etc/rcS |
| 03:08.07 | needle_ | K |
| 03:08.15 | Kobaz | debian is just linux with a bunch of tools and applications |
| 03:08.27 | needle_ | I don't know linux that well. |
| 03:08.35 | needle_ | Now I know. Thanks. |
| 03:08.38 | Kobaz | nothing is required except the kernel and init |
| 03:08.47 | needle_ | I thought it was in the kernel.... |
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| 03:08.51 | needle_ | I mean strictly. |
| 03:08.56 | needle_ | I just didn't think I guess..... |
| 03:09.02 | un214 | I've done without init before |
| 03:09.07 | Kobaz | it gets help from the kernel but it's not bolted on |
| 03:09.25 | Kobaz | un214: well, i meant init in the general sense... something for the kernel to launch in userspace |
| 03:09.39 | un214 | ever do rw init=/bin/sh |
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| 03:09.49 | un214 | take all this unix and make it dos |
| 03:09.50 | needle_ | yes |
| 03:09.54 | needle_ | many times |
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| 03:10.42 | needle_ | Thanks. I may talk to you all later. Have it easy. |
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| 03:12.29 | Kobaz | holy shit |
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| 03:12.47 | Kobaz | flash ads with audio, like tv commercials that autoplay |
| 03:12.53 | Kobaz | gah that's annoying |
| 03:13.12 | Kobaz | i forgot my flashblock |
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| 03:17.04 | Vilemaxim | Can anyone tell me what this message in an error log means. kernel: [38457678.888477] pop3d[1150]: segfault at 0 ip 7f7a95cab7f3 sp 7fffffff6368 error 6 in libc-2.11.2.so[7f7a95c2c000+158000] |
| 03:17.38 | Kobaz | pop3d crashed |
| 03:17.56 | Vilemaxim | kobaz, not because of memery huh? |
| 03:18.42 | Vilemaxim | kobaz, nothing else is acting up on the server so I guess it's cyrus |
| 03:19.00 | Kobaz | segmentation fault is usually caused by a null pointer dereference |
| 03:19.08 | Kobaz | ie: problem with the code in the program |
| 03:19.37 | Vilemaxim | but it's stock debian stuff. Not likely huh? |
| 03:20.22 | Vilemaxim | kobaz, more likely something miss configure |
| 03:20.37 | Kobaz | Vilemaxim: no, more likly a bug in pop3d |
| 03:21.02 | Kobaz | as badly configured as you can make something, it should never crash |
| 03:21.18 | Kobaz | it should complain instead, and shut itself down if it needs to |
| 03:21.21 | Kobaz | but not crash |
| 03:21.21 | Vilemaxim | good point |
| 03:21.53 | Vilemaxim | Kobaz, I'll reinstall it |
| 03:21.58 | Kobaz | if you have bad ram, that can also cause crashes |
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| 03:22.14 | Kobaz | but if all your hardware is good, and you're not hitting some odd kernel bug (rare), then it's a bug in the application |
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| 03:26.07 | buhman | I installed the ssh server pattern while installing debian, but when I try to connect to the server, nothing seems to happen |
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| 03:26.20 | buhman | I don't get the server's terminal, it's just nothingness |
| 03:26.31 | gnarface | ssh -v |
| 03:26.56 | buhman | the first time I connected, I was asked to verify the server's authenticity, but nothing after that; is there something that I'm supposed to do after isntallation to get ssh working correctly? |
| 03:27.20 | gnarface | there are a lot of things that could have gone wrong |
| 03:27.37 | gnarface | did you try just being patient when faced with this "nothingness"? |
| 03:27.49 | buhman | gnarface: I tried :) |
| 03:27.55 | gnarface | its often just a delay due to improperly configured name resolution |
| 03:28.01 | buhman | gnarface: I was using ip's |
| 03:28.06 | buhman | and it's on my local network |
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| 03:28.31 | gnarface | buhman: that's where it usually happens |
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| 03:29.16 | Circuitsoft | Does the squeeze installer allow you to connect to a WPA network for installation? |
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| 03:31.03 | gnarface | buhman: make sure you have localhost and the machine's own ip address in the hosts file on that ssh server |
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| 03:43.22 | ZykoticK9 | Circuitsoft, no, WEP only from the install media |
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| 03:44.00 | Circuitsoft | Hmm. Can't imagine it would be too hard to swap out wireless-tools for wpa_supplicant. |
| 03:44.59 | Circuitsoft | Oh, well. The "Small" install CD has enough to install a base system. I can hopefully connect and update from there. |
| 03:45.16 | Circuitsoft | The computer in question is a laptop without ethernet, but I happen to have a wifi card. |
| 03:46.02 | Jarvis | Anyone know if theres a reason wpasupplicant isnt on the install media ? I would have thought it would be a standard package that a lot of users would want. |
| 03:46.10 | Dewi | Circuitsoft: tbh it's probably easier just to disable WPA on the access point for a few minutes |
| 03:46.15 | Dewi | :P |
| 03:46.27 | simonlnu | yep |
| 03:47.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jarvis: no one tried to get it merged before freeze |
| 03:47.37 | Circuitsoft | Except that it's built-in to the DSL modem and accessing non-idiot settings is kind of difficult. |
| 03:47.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jarvis: ttbomk its been added since |
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| 03:49.07 | Jarvis | ah ok |
| 03:49.21 | tengulre | how to running a command per second in /etc/crontab? |
| 03:49.42 | Jarvis | you don't |
| 03:49.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jarvis: ++ |
| 03:50.35 | tengulre | why? |
| 03:50.48 | taglass | cro only wakes up once per minute |
| 03:50.49 | stew | tengulre: you won't get anything more than once a minute from cron. |
| 03:50.51 | taglass | *cron |
| 03:51.08 | stew | tengulre: what do you actually need to do? perhaps there is a different way to solve whatever problem you are trying to solve |
| 03:52.06 | tengulre | stew, yes! |
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| 03:57.00 | Krunk | Hi. With Squeeze, if I do not choose to install network (choose 'not at this time), it still presents the network setup screen, then barfs if I choose Cancel. I have installed it anyway, and can load Debian, but shortly after I lost my root account, and it refuses toa ccept my postgresql credentials. Any way around this mess? |
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| 03:57.49 | Krunk | I'm on my fifth install (Expert non-grahical) |
| 03:58.15 | lynx` | Question: |
| 03:58.15 | lynx` | HAs anyone ever installed .NET Framework 3.5 or 4.0 using wine or winetricks? |
| 03:58.32 | Krunk | Great looking OS, but useless if I cannot use Apache+Postgresql+PHP for my sites |
| 03:58.36 | rypervenche | lynx`: 4.0 doesn't work. 3.5 MAY work, but it's hard to get working. |
| 03:58.55 | lynx` | I searched on the web and it said to use Winetricks, but when I type winetricks it only shows a list like firefox or Visual Studio for installing |
| 03:59.05 | rypervenche | How can I download the source code of a package via aptitude? |
| 03:59.08 | Jarvis | Krunk: are you logging into postgres via the postgres account on the shell ? |
| 03:59.09 | lynx` | I read instructions on how to get 3.5 working, but that's all I need |
| 03:59.20 | lynx` | the instructions don't work though |
| 03:59.33 | stew | rypervenche: you can't |
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| 04:00.21 | Krunk | Jarvis: I can login OK on the sheel - it accepts the login credentials, but http://localhost/welcome.php gives error that crentials not accepted. Have relaoded Apache, Postgresql, PHP numerous ties |
| 04:00.27 | rypervenche | stew: So packages that end in -source are special then? I can't do -t to have it take the source code version? What's the point of having deb-src in my sources.list then? |
| 04:00.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | rypervenche: for apt-get |
| 04:00.54 | Jarvis | apt-get source <package> |
| 04:01.14 | stew | rypervenche: you can install the source with apt-get, aptitude just hasn't had that added yet. -source pacakge are binary packages contianing source, not source pacakges |
| 04:01.22 | Krunk | Jarvis: funny thing, -- two installs ago, when I lost root, it worked OK. |
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| 04:01.53 | Krunk | Jarvis: this some messed puppy :( |
| 04:02.22 | Krunk | Seems to be related to the barf on network install |
| 04:02.24 | Jarvis | Krunk: i'd check to make sure the role your trying to access actually exists , and if it does just reset the password on it with ALTER ROLE (or ALTER USER) |
| 04:02.52 | Krunk | Jarvis: did that - OK. |
| 04:02.56 | Jarvis | hmm |
| 04:03.02 | Jarvis | the only other thing |
| 04:03.06 | Jarvis | Krunk: check /etc/hosts |
| 04:03.15 | Jarvis | make sure theres appropriate entries in there for your setup |
| 04:03.32 | Krunk | Jarvis: never had loosing root happen before. I'm using Mandriva right now, and it works OK |
| 04:03.35 | rypervenche | stew: So if I want to compile something from source, can I get it that way or should I go to teh site manually? |
| 04:04.02 | Krunk | Jarvis: localhost is in there, but no resolv.conf |
| 04:04.04 | stew | rypervenche: you can "apt-get build-dep packagename ; apt-get -b source packagename" to build somehting from source |
| 04:04.12 | stew | rypervenche: /msg dpkg source |
| 04:04.40 | rypervenche | Thank you. |
| 04:04.54 | Jarvis | Krunk: the host your php script uses to connect is it localhost or something else |
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| 04:05.32 | Krunk | Jarvis: host=localhost user=postgres |
| 04:05.53 | Jarvis | er |
| 04:06.02 | Jarvis | your php script uses the postgres user? |
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| 04:06.33 | Krunk | Jarvis: for my local dev box, yes; for production: no |
| 04:06.38 | Jarvis | ok |
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| 04:07.26 | Jarvis | the only thing i can think of is that the server uses the current logged in user for authentication first |
| 04:07.39 | Jarvis | try changing the host to 127.0. |
| 04:07.45 | Jarvis | *127.0.0.1 |
| 04:07.59 | Jarvis | instead of localhost , see if it helps any |
| 04:08.40 | Krunk | Jarvis: tried 127.0.0.1 - no go |
| 04:08.52 | Jarvis | hmm strange, and your sure the passwod is correct ? |
| 04:09.02 | Jarvis | *password (i can't type this evening) |
| 04:09.10 | Krunk | Jarvis: oh yes, I can connect cli |
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| 04:09.26 | Jarvis | cli won't use the password under a standad install |
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| 04:09.46 | Jarvis | not if your user = postgres , it logs in using the current logged in user |
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| 04:09.56 | Jarvis | unless you tell it to login as something else |
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| 04:10.08 | Jarvis | just simply typing psql will log you win |
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| 04:10.11 | Jarvis | *in |
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| 04:11.23 | Krunk | Jarvis: you mean in the $db php script, use 'psql' instead - that's very odd . . . |
| 04:11.30 | Jarvis | der no |
| 04:12.02 | Jarvis | on a command line , when running as the postgres user the standard install doesn't require you to login as it uses the current user id |
| 04:12.36 | Jarvis | it may very well be the password is incorrect for user = postgres, try resetting it |
| 04:12.50 | Krunk | Jarvis: is this something peculiar to Debain? Never had probs with Mandriva, FreeBSD, OpenSuse, and a host of others |
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| 04:13.16 | Krunk | Jarvis: have reset it, changed it numerous times |
| 04:13.21 | Jarvis | hmm |
| 04:13.37 | Jarvis | in that case i'm out of options :/ |
| 04:13.39 | stew | Krunk: hwat auth method are you using in pg_hba.conf for 127.1 ? ident? if so, the password won't matter |
| 04:13.53 | stew | Krunk: or are you actually using md5? |
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| 04:14.22 | Jarvis | ah , good point i forget auth methods on postgres work slightly different :/ |
| 04:14.58 | Krunk | stew: forgot about that, I assumed it was set properly since it has worked on two installs |
| 04:15.40 | Krunk | Sigh . . . it's been three days of barfed installs, and I'll have to relaod tomorrow. Have a diff frive in now |
| 04:16.05 | Krunk | reload . . drive |
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| 04:16.54 | Krunk | Just out of curiosity: why would the root password suddenly stop workin? |
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| 04:18.55 | stew | Krunk: are you still talking about postgres? if so by 'root' do you mean 'postgres'? |
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| 04:20.41 | Krunk | stwe: sorry, no. On the lcurrent install, root password suddenly stopped working. Nothing to do with postgres (at least I think not). Had to reset it |
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| 04:21.26 | stew | Krunk: then the only thing that would make the root password suddenly stop working is someone changing the root password |
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| 04:21.46 | stew | normally that would cause something to be logged in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 04:22.30 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: And how are you trying to become root? Are you using su, logging in at the console, ssh-ing in, or what? |
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| 04:23.14 | Krunk | stew: nope, hadn't connected to the Internet yet. Right after the messed install (after choosing not to have a network at this time), I could boot up, enter Debain desktop, but could not add software - root pwd not accepted |
| 04:23.55 | stew | then you had the wrong password |
| 04:23.56 | Krunk | karlpinc: all of the above. root pwd dead - had to manually reset it from Rescue |
| 04:24.09 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: If you never were able to use the root account then you probably mis-typed the root password in the install screen, the same way twice. |
| 04:24.38 | Krunk | karlpinc: possibly, but not likely |
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| 04:25.16 | Krunk | it's a long, stron one |
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| 04:25.31 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: There arn't a lot of other possibilities. |
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| 04:26.11 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: And you're using that password now after resetting it? |
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| 04:27.37 | vivanov | anyone using gnome3 -- is it stable enough for simple things like internet browsing + text editing? is it worth switching? |
| 04:27.38 | Krunk | karlpinc: never happened to me before, but hey, makes life interesting. I might try yet one more install if the pg_hba.conf does not fix up access to my site. Otherwise, I can't use Debian |
| 04:27.48 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: (Although using the same password doesn't really matter because the salt will be different....) |
| 04:28.05 | karlpinc_ | !tell Krunk about readme.debian |
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| 04:28.39 | Krunk | karlpinc: no, I've got my Mandriva drive in now; read the Readme, and install instructions |
| 04:28.47 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: I don't belive there's anything in there that would matter to you at the moment, but it never hurts to read the instructions. |
| 04:29.21 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: readme.debian has debian specific stuff. Like how to upgrade pg versions when upgrading debian releases. |
| 04:30.24 | Krunk | karlpinc: sure, I love reading. One of the main reasons for using Debain is liquidsoap - awesome stream generator program that is a monster to install on Mandriva |
| 04:30.41 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: You read your logs for clues? |
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| 04:31.16 | stew | Krunk: the default install of postgres will have you using ident for localhost, not md5, so you should only expect the postgres user to be able to use the postgres user |
| 04:31.18 | Krunk | karlpinc: error log is my best friend. Not too much useful info tehre for php/pgsql |
| 04:31.42 | stew | Krunk: and not wanting to have to change pg_hba.conf is a poor reasion to switch distros |
| 04:31.49 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: The database logs somewhere. It's what's doing the authentication. |
| 04:32.49 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: So, your inital connection to the db will be done from root with something like "su postgres -c 'psql -d template1'". |
| 04:33.13 | stew | it doesn't log authentication failures by default afaik |
| 04:33.33 | Krunk | stew: as I mentioned, it worked fine until this install. I'll look it up (db logs). Reason for Debian: liquidsoap, ardour, and a couple of other essentila programs. Lot easier to install than build from source (esp with dialup conn) |
| 04:34.50 | stew | Krunk: which auth method is configured curently? |
| 04:35.10 | Krunk | karlpinc: taht's what I have to do with Mandriva et al, but since it loaded it correctly twice (diff installs), I assumed Debian did it for me. |
| 04:35.19 | stew | like I said, I don't think you'll find anything useful in the logs |
| 04:35.33 | karlpinc_ | Krunk: it? |
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| 04:35.53 | Krunk | stwe: I'll have to check later - it's o my other SATA drive (not the one I'm currently using). |
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| 04:38.08 | stew | Krunk: ok. but pg_hba.conf is somehtihng you edited? or are you using the default from debian? |
| 04:38.27 | Krunk | stew: default |
| 04:38.38 | nvz | I just uninstalled metacity, and restarted gdm3 and somehow I am still using metacity in gnome.. even though its not on my system, in my process list, or anything like that |
| 04:38.43 | nvz | how the hell is this possible? heh |
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| 04:39.03 | stew | Krunk: then yes, this isn't working by design |
| 04:39.33 | karlpinc_ | is still not sure exactly what Krunk is typing/doing to try to connect. |
| 04:39.39 | stew | Krunk: its only going to allow the postgres user to use the postgres account name "postgres" |
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| 04:40.24 | stew | Krunk: if you want other users to use the postgres user names postgres by providing a password, you need to switch the auth method from ident to md5 |
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| 04:40.37 | Krunk | stew: hmmm . . should have thought of taht. Mosty often, I install Postgresql from source and buiild the latest version. Haven't done it in awhile though. Busy trying to get audio recordings done on my main box. |
| 04:40.47 | nvz | I just wanna use sawfish I dont understand what is happening here |
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| 04:41.25 | nvz | which metacity, returns nothing, metacity says command not found, dpkg says its uninstalled, ps says its not running, and yet here it is on my screen.. heh |
| 04:41.44 | nvz | tries restarting gdm3 again |
| 04:41.46 | karlpinc_ | nvz: Gnome is retarted, or assumes you are. (I long since gave up trying to put sawfish back into gnome.) I've no clue as to how it's still there when you un-install it. |
| 04:41.49 | Krunk | stew: have to check what is in pg_hba.conf. Don't need any other users for dev box - postgres is fine |
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| 04:42.22 | nvz | karlpinc_: it worked just removing metacity and installing sawfish on lenny.. not so much on this squeeze box.. heh |
| 04:42.32 | nvz | for some reason X is running on tty9.. hmm |
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| 04:43.30 | nvz | bah.. I restarted it again, its on tty8 now.. tty7 is not in use.. so idk wth is going on |
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| 04:43.40 | nvz | and I still seem to be using metacity even though its not on my system |
| 04:43.58 | stew | miracles |
| 04:44.21 | nvz | its just pissing me off cause I'm trying to get into my multitasking mode and this stupid f'n window manager can't even remove a frame/title bar or allow me to move windows past my panel |
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| 04:44.33 | nvz | not to mention has no real understanding of keybindings.. heh |
| 04:44.47 | Krunk | karlpinc, stew: thanks for the help. Needed some insights to get me back on track here. |
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| 04:45.12 | boudiccas | on a debian 6 box i have mail in /var/mail/mail whose owner is mail, and its properties are rw----. how can i make this readable for me please? |
| 04:45.20 | nvz | I have no idea how this is happening.. it makes no sense |
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| 04:45.40 | nvz | sends and init 6.. bah |
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| 04:46.25 | Onryo | I am trying out wheezy/sid in a VM. Using use main in my repo. Saw the my kernel was 2.6.39! Was wondering if this kernel too is free of all non free software. |
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| 04:46.27 | karlpinc_ | boudiccas: The easy way is to be root and just look at it. |
| 04:46.52 | stew | Onryo: as far as we know it is |
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| 04:48.00 | Onryo | stew its one heck of a job to clean a kernel! The kernels over at kernel.org are NOT free of blobs. Did Debian clean this one too? |
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| 04:48.32 | karlpinc_ | Onryo: That's what Debian does. |
| 04:48.56 | nvz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 26 00:11 /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/sawfish |
| 04:48.59 | Onryo | karlpinc jezzz then all I can say is PROPS to the Debian team!!! |
| 04:49.07 | nvz | yet even after a reboot, I am still in metacity |
| 04:49.29 | nvz | I seriously f'n hate squeeze you have no idea |
| 04:49.30 | karlpinc_ | nvz: Gnome knows best. |
| 04:49.44 | stew | Onryo: if there is anything known to be non-free, it should never make it to wheezy |
| 04:49.59 | Onryo | stew good to hear! |
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| 04:50.11 | nvz | karlpinc_: its not even possible.. do you understand? the package is gone, it doesnt even exist.. |
| 04:50.14 | karlpinc_ | stew: Judd says .39 is only in sid. |
| 04:50.16 | nvz | heh |
| 04:50.19 | stew | if it is know it should be a filed bug against the linux2.6 source package, but bugs.debian.org is currently seeming slow |
| 04:50.22 | nvz | pulls his hair out |
| 04:50.32 | karlpinc_ | nvz: I know. |
| 04:50.55 | Circuitsoft | Video question: Trying to use Squeeze on a machine with a SiliconMotion LynxEM. |
| 04:50.57 | nvz | I want to hurt someone right now for this shit.. |
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| 04:51.07 | boudiccas | karlpinc_; i am root but i still cant read the mail in /var/mail/mail, how do i do that please? |
| 04:51.09 | Circuitsoft | Without an xorg.conf, X says "Not enough video memory for this configuration" |
| 04:51.09 | karlpinc_ | nvz: (Gnome probably keeps it's own emergency copy of metacity just in case. ;-) |
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| 04:51.25 | nvz | haha. like windows file protection |
| 04:51.34 | karlpinc_ | boudiccas: less /var/mail/mail |
| 04:51.39 | nvz | it must name it something else and hide its process |
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| 04:51.47 | stew | Onryo: yeah, i don't see anything on http://bugs.debian.org/src:linux-2.6 |
| 04:51.52 | karlpinc_ | boudiccas: Or any other way you want to look at it. |
| 04:52.08 | nvz | starts killing processes to see which one kills "metacity |
| 04:52.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | odd that its going to a 'mail' user |
| 04:52.39 | Onryo | nvz I am a dev for linux. If you have some issues with squeeze (I did) give wheeze/sid a try. I have stress tested it and it is still stable as heck. Don't know what all this "buggy as heck" talk comes from. Ubuntu I find is even more buggy! |
| 04:52.49 | karlpinc_ | Circuitsoft: You'll have to reduce resolution to fit into your cards ram. (Or correct some configuration somewhere.) |
| 04:53.05 | nvz | Onryo: bah, I'm considering rolling back to lenny and staying there indefinately |
| 04:53.06 | simonlnu | wheezy |
| 04:53.15 | nvz | I'll use a chroot for anything I need.. heh |
| 04:53.15 | Circuitsoft | 4MB ram, 1024x768, 16 bit. |
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| 04:53.26 | Onryo | nvz my issues where I needed dependencies that were a lot newer then the ones in the repo. |
| 04:53.44 | stew | Onryo: note that debian doesn't use its "stable" or "unstable" tags to indicate how "crashy" they are, but instead how often they are changing |
| 04:53.50 | karlpinc_ | Circuitsoft: /var/log/X.log |
| 04:54.17 | stew | (Xorg.0.log ?) |
| 04:54.47 | karlpinc_ | oops |
| 04:54.52 | Circuitsoft | Do you want me to post it somewhere? Could bit a bit difficult. |
| 04:55.08 | karlpinc_ | !paste |
| 04:55.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 04:55.09 | Circuitsoft | Said computer only has wifi. |
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| 04:55.17 | Onryo | stew true. But it can never hurt to try things in a VM. I just don't add any tools or other crap to mess with my kernels. |
| 04:55.23 | Circuitsoft | No working browser, either. |
| 04:55.32 | karlpinc_ | !tell Circuitsoft about pastebinit |
| 04:57.41 | nvz | ok well is there some way I can figure out what window manager is running and where the F*** its hiding? |
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| 04:58.05 | nvz | goes to look in gconf land |
| 04:58.15 | simonlnu | won't tell you |
| 04:58.32 | nvz | simonlnu: no wm settings in gconf? |
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| 04:58.56 | simonlnu | there are, but they're useless now, unused. |
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| 05:00.14 | simonlnu | nvz: what sort of session are you running? |
| 05:00.18 | Circuitsoft | www.pastebin.com/9gHu9Bxs |
| 05:00.50 | nvz | simonlnu: /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager "gnome-wm" |
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| 05:01.01 | simonlnu | which is metacity |
| 05:01.02 | nvz | which gnome-wm: /usr/bin/gnome-wm |
| 05:01.09 | Onryo | Circuitsoft Your paste has triggered our automatic SPAM detection filter. Got this - This happens when links are detected in a paste. To confirm you are not a bot, please fill out the captcha below. |
| 05:01.10 | nvz | even though its not in my process list |
| 05:01.12 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:01.20 | nvz | its a f'n trojan! |
| 05:01.28 | simonlnu | kill/usr/bin/gnome-wm: POSIX shell script text executable |
| 05:01.30 | Circuitsoft | Onryo - I did that, and it is my Xorg.0.log |
| 05:01.38 | nvz | simonlnu: I am just using a standard gnome session with gdm3 |
| 05:01.42 | simonlnu | er, remove that kill =) |
| 05:01.51 | Circuitsoft | It probably didn't like the repeated "Not using default mode..." |
| 05:02.21 | nvz | simonlnu: ah, apparently mutter is my wm |
| 05:02.33 | nvz | whatever the hell that is |
| 05:02.37 | simonlnu | ah, gnome3? |
| 05:02.40 | Onryo | Circuitsoft pastebin can be a little anal when it comes to links etc. Not sure why your posted "freaked out" |
| 05:02.50 | Circuitsoft | nvz: I like mutter. It's pretty. |
| 05:02.56 | nvz | simonlnu: says 2.30 in squeeze |
| 05:03.05 | simonlnu | pretty doesn't always equal useful |
| 05:03.09 | simonlnu | ok |
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| 05:03.14 | nvz | pretty ... exactly, simonlnu |
| 05:03.16 | Circuitsoft | And seems quick on a low-end computer. |
| 05:03.30 | Circuitsoft | My favorite wm is still xfwm4, though. |
| 05:03.31 | nvz | heh, I am trying to work here.. I need my sawfish |
| 05:03.33 | Onryo | Woooo did I hear somebody say they got Gnome3 working on Debian. I was gong to give that a try today! |
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| 05:03.37 | simonlnu | #define LOW_END ;) |
| 05:03.43 | nvz | wasted an hour trying to get it to work |
| 05:03.54 | Circuitsoft | Single core Athlon Neo |
| 05:04.03 | Circuitsoft | Eeepc 1215 |
| 05:04.29 | simonlnu | ok |
| 05:04.58 | Onryo | nvz I just woke up and was going to spend the day trying to install Gnome 3. Has anybody got it to work? |
| 05:05.08 | nvz | simonlnu: according to /usr/bin/gnome-wm user is to set their prefered WM by setting the WINDOW_MANAGER env var, and the fact that alternatives says sawfish can just go f' itself |
| 05:05.30 | simonlnu | Onryo: it works, but it's too abstract for me |
| 05:05.30 | nvz | wants to kick a gnome maintainer in the nuts right now |
| 05:05.46 | Circuitsoft | Onryo: Any clues on the Xorg log? |
| 05:05.48 | simonlnu | nvz: sawfish --replace ? |
| 05:05.50 | stew | wants to +q nvz |
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| 05:06.51 | Onryo | simonlnu Yeah I heard they went all "gay" like Unity did with Gnome 3. |
| 05:07.19 | simonlnu | doesn't know what unity is... |
| 05:07.59 | stew | Onryo: i don't understand what you are trying to say, but if you are trying to use "gay" to be derrogatory, please don't |
| 05:08.11 | Onryo | simonlnu you really don't want to know. It is an embarrassment to GNU/Linux |
| 05:08.18 | nvz | so here is a question, where to I set an env variable that gdm3 would see it? |
| 05:08.37 | nvz | or should I just rm /usr/bin/gnome-wm and make it a link to sawfish and call it done? heh |
| 05:08.44 | simonlnu | nvz: do that ^^ and save your session |
| 05:08.54 | simonlnu | sawfish --replace |
| 05:09.01 | simonlnu | (if it accepts it) |
| 05:09.16 | kishy_ | guys sorry for the spam...probably should have closed irc before migrating router firmwares, heh. |
| 05:09.26 | Onryo | stew no gay means "happy" and blinky. Something your avg MS user might like. Sry if I offended. |
| 05:09.33 | nvz | I get the feeling thats not gonna work, but I'll try and see. |
| 05:09.53 | nvz | yeah, that tells me I can only run one wm |
| 05:10.20 | boudiccas | karlpinc_; thanks, i was able to read the /var/mail/mail with your help, and i've now configured logwatch to send me all its output, so we'll see how that goes on tonight |
| 05:10.32 | nvz | I got another question how can I simply remap my capslock to something else in X? |
| 05:10.46 | Onryo | nvz are you trying to run this in VMware with its tools. It wont work. Virtualbox is a much better bet. |
| 05:10.47 | simonlnu | damn, so you'll have to chain up pkill/killall mutter; sawfish & |
| 05:11.09 | nvz | Onryo: this has nothing to do with a VM, its running on a laptop |
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| 05:11.49 | nvz | I dont think saving the session will work even if I get sawfish running as long as I don't either a) do what /usr/bin/gnome-wm says to do, or get rid of it |
| 05:12.00 | Onryo | nvz on a GMA GPU? |
| 05:12.14 | stew | Onryo: so you are trying to say that unity is happy? doesn't make sense to me |
| 05:12.16 | nvz | cause I just modified my session and changed many things, and there is no mention of a wm setting in there |
| 05:12.37 | nvz | Onryo: never heard of a GMA GPU, this has Geforce 8200M graphics |
| 05:12.45 | simonlnu | no, it'll jjust save what apps should start |
| 05:13.00 | Onryo | stew look I am not homophobic if that is what you mean. The word gay can mean a zillion things. |
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| 05:13.08 | nvz | yes but gnome as already proven its evil, I don't know that it will respect that |
| 05:13.36 | gNewPower | Hi - are squeeze and sid the same and, if not, what is the difference? thanks |
| 05:13.49 | nvz | tries simonlnu's idea |
| 05:13.58 | nvz | gNewPower: squeeze is stable, sid is unstable |
| 05:14.14 | nvz | gNewPower: you want to use squeeze |
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| 05:14.28 | gNewPower | nvz, so squeeze is that came after lenny, right? |
| 05:14.50 | nvz | yes, and wheezy is the next release (currently testing) |
| 05:14.56 | gNewPower | thanks! |
| 05:15.08 | gNewPower | I was confused by some posts who said that squeeze=sid |
| 05:15.16 | stew | Onryo: you seem to be saying that you thing that gaying up gnome is a good thing, but you are greatly mistaken. i doubt many people would take that wording to mean a compliment. I think the majority of the people here would think that if you are using "gay" to describe something here it was menat in a derrogatory way, not to mean "happy". so please choose your words more carefully |
| 05:15.18 | gNewPower | thanks for claryfiing |
| 05:15.21 | gNewPower | bye |
| 05:15.22 | nvz | sid is always the unstable branch, that never changes |
| 05:15.29 | gNewPower | gotcha |
| 05:15.31 | gNewPower | thanks |
| 05:15.37 | gNewPower | Deb is the best! |
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| 05:16.42 | Onryo | gNePower squeeze is the current stable. Wheeze is under testing. Both can have sid repos added to them though. Sid will never become stable. The name comes from the movie Tor Story. |
| 05:17.20 | Onryo | gNewPower lol, Toy Story. |
| 05:17.39 | nvz | you guys type slow, he's gone |
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| 05:17.55 | stew | which is good. adding sid to a squeeze install is a bad idea |
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| 05:18.43 | nvz | simonlnu: yeah that worked reeeaaaall good .. heh. I hit save session, logged out, and back in.. and well the one terminal window I had with this ssh session, and the other I had killed mutter and started sawfish from are still here, but I'm still running mutter.. haha |
| 05:19.26 | nvz | next two options are to either rm /usr/bin/gnome-wm and make it a link to sawfish, or to figure out which file to put an env var into that GDM3 will see |
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| 05:20.23 | Onryo | stew No I am "old school" I want things to be KISS (keep it simple stupid). I wish Gnome would stick to is ideals. Canonical has put a lot of pressure on Gnome and it will be an option to 100% replace Ubuntu's 11.04 Unity manager. Sadly though it has a lot of GPU blinky rendering etc in it. |
| 05:21.10 | Onryo | stew this will happen with Ubuntu 11.10 coming out in .. was it October ? |
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| 05:21.18 | nvz | oh dear.. lets not have this discussion.. at least what I am talking about IS about debian |
| 05:21.35 | Onryo | nvz yeah agreed. |
| 05:22.05 | simonlnu | shrugs |
| 05:22.25 | simonlnu | nvz: dpkg-divert |
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| 05:23.20 | nvz | notes his dpkg is still broke from that night he made the dumb mistake of trying to install a ppa package.. heh.. I didn't realize what I clicked on before it was too late |
| 05:23.27 | Circuitsoft | So, nobody has any clues on my graphics issue? http://www.pastebin.com/9gHu9Bxs |
| 05:23.40 | Circuitsoft | (Just wanted to ask before I go to bed.) |
| 05:23.50 | stew | yeah, so clearly, he didn't mean gay as "happy"... whatever... |
| 05:24.19 | simonlnu | (WW) xf86OpenConsole: setpgid failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 05:24.35 | stew | EE) SMI(0): Not enough video memory for the configured screen size (1024x1024) and color depth. |
| 05:24.53 | simonlnu | eek |
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| 05:25.38 | nvz | yeah it looks like he has an old 4mb vesa card of some kind |
| 05:25.50 | nvz | i.e. not compatible with xorg.. |
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| 05:26.01 | nvz | cause it says all modes are out of range or out of memory |
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| 05:26.11 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 05:26.25 | nvz | makes me wonder what kinda system it is |
| 05:26.29 | stew | 4mb should be plenty for less colors |
| 05:26.47 | nvz | Circuitsoft: perhaps try lowering the bit depth? |
| 05:27.17 | nvz | or using a computer from the 20th or 21st century.. heh |
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| 05:29.15 | nvz | logs out after linking gnome-wm to sawfish hoping for victory.. |
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| 05:30.21 | nvz | aha! p0wned! heh |
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| 05:31.08 | Onryo | nvz your system is not finding any # |
| 05:31.08 | Onryo | Fatal server error: |
| 05:31.08 | Onryo | # |
| 05:31.08 | Onryo | no screens found. |
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| 05:31.21 | nvz | noooo... sawfish-ui is borked! |
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| 05:32.37 | Onryo | nvz look on line 324 on your pastebin |
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| 05:34.12 | nvz | Onryo: thats not my pastebin |
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| 05:34.48 | nvz | my issue as usual is with this damn squeeze.. ugh.. the mismatched librep and sawfish.. so sawfish is b0rked in squeeze |
| 05:35.11 | nvz | gonna check wheezy and consider upgrading rather than reinstalling lenny |
| 05:35.27 | nvz | might as well find these damn bugs in the next release so I dont have to find a new OS |
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| 05:35.33 | Onryo | nvz no not on mine. Actually is is rock solid. |
| 05:35.49 | nvz | you are telling me you can open sawfish UI in squeeze? |
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| 05:36.09 | nvz | and not experiencing #613396 |
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| 05:37.19 | Onryo | nvz not even sure that I am using. I just did a dist-upgrade. Right now I am in a BSD machine. |
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| 05:37.50 | Onryo | nvz did you upgrade your Lenny? Do you have things pinned? |
| 05:37.58 | Circuitsoft | Gateway Solo |
| 05:38.20 | Circuitsoft | SiliconMotion SM710 LynxEM |
| 05:38.21 | nvz | well the problem is, they pulled upstream sawfish-ui code that calls 'gtk-preview-new' which is not in librep9 0.90.2-1.1 which breaks sawfish ui |
| 05:38.35 | stew | nvz: file a bug |
| 05:38.38 | nvz | Onryo: lenny has nothing to do with this issue. this box was clean installed using debian 6.0 |
| 05:39.01 | nvz | stew: the bug is filed already, but I intended to confirm it yet again, #613396 |
| 05:39.32 | Onryo | nvz now I got to boot into Debian 6 and take a look. You got me wondering why its working so well =P |
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| 05:40.01 | Circuitsoft | This Xorg.0.log is without any xorg.conf. |
| 05:40.19 | nvz | Circuitsoft: doesn't use a config file by default anymore |
| 05:40.41 | Circuitsoft | I tried doing X -configure, copying the xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and adding DefaultDepth 16 to the Screens section. |
| 05:40.44 | nvz | Circuitsoft: standard practice now is to use a conf.d style configuration |
| 05:40.58 | Circuitsoft | I'm not sure how to set that up in xorg.conf.d |
| 05:41.09 | nvz | Circuitsoft: what IS your video card? |
| 05:41.14 | Circuitsoft | All the other computers I've used since the switch to xorg.conf.d have worked without touching any configs at all. |
| 05:41.25 | nvz | Circuitsoft: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 05:41.28 | Circuitsoft | "Silicon Motion, Inc. SM710 LynxEM" |
| 05:41.39 | nvz | o.O |
| 05:41.41 | Circuitsoft | 126f:0710 |
| 05:41.52 | Circuitsoft | It's a Pentium 3 laptop |
| 05:42.07 | Circuitsoft | Came with my brother's car for tuning the ECU because it has a serial port. |
| 05:42.11 | simonlnu | ancient history |
| 05:42.12 | Circuitsoft | I'm trying to get him setup with MegaTunix |
| 05:42.28 | Circuitsoft | PIII-450, 160MB ram |
| 05:42.38 | Circuitsoft | Planning to run Fluxbox |
| 05:43.18 | nvz | Circuitsoft: you are using the vesa driver, have you tried the siliconmotion driver? |
| 05:43.52 | dudz_ | does that have a green environmental sticker on it Circuitsoft ? |
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| 05:51.54 | Circuitsoft | nvz: That log clearly shows I am using the siliconmotion driver. |
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| 05:52.37 | Circuitsoft | siliconmotion driver just uses VESA interface for most operations. |
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| 05:52.49 | Circuitsoft | Just has a little extra acceleration. |
| 05:53.19 | Circuitsoft | Graphical setup worked, though. |
| 05:53.26 | Circuitsoft | Any way I can figure out how? |
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| 05:59.58 | Circuitsoft | Next step - Check logs to see what failed, and hope trying uvesafb didn't brick the computer. |
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| 06:00.28 | Onryo | Circuitsoft This might help Section "Device" : Identifier "Configured Video Device" : Driver "vesa" : EndSection |
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| 06:02.16 | Circuitsoft | Onryo - /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-display.cfg an okay place to put it? |
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| 06:02.59 | Onryo | Circuitsoft Been a while since I did this but it was under xorg.conf when I did it. |
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| 06:03.24 | Circuitsoft | Changed 10-display.cfg to 10-display.conf |
| 06:03.40 | Circuitsoft | Computer is frozen - exactly like when I tried to start uvesafb. |
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| 06:04.22 | Circuitsoft | Ctrl-Alt-F1 makes the screen turn off for a second, and come back on when I press any key, but doesn't show anything. |
| 06:04.24 | Onryo | Circuitsoft just press Ctrl+Alt+PrintScreen+b |
| 06:04.38 | Onryo | Circuitsoft that should reboot |
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| 06:05.02 | Circuitsoft | Alt-Fn-End-B on this computer... |
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| 06:05.25 | Circuitsoft | Fn-Home is PrtScr, Fn-End is SysRq |
| 06:06.03 | Onryo | Circuitsoft you learn something everyday. Thx for that tip :) |
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| 06:06.47 | Circuitsoft | I also, generally, do SysRq-S, SysRq-U, SysRq-B in that order. |
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| 06:07.34 | Circuitsoft | And it crashed again on boot, so setting Driver to vesa makes the computer crash rather than X failing on its own. |
| 06:07.47 | Onryo | Crap why do I love computers at home but hate them when I have to go to work and program. Its 8:07am. Got to go to the "pit" in an hours! |
| 06:08.03 | Onryo | an hour* |
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| 06:09.38 | needle_ | woooo |
| 06:10.01 | needle_ | debian.org load time w/ debian on this sparky for the edge router is 254ms |
| 06:10.57 | Circuitsoft | Got it working, but I have three concurrent mouse pointers. |
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| 06:12.19 | Onryo | Circuitsoft all right lets start from basics then. cp your Xorg file to a new name and remove everything except that the part for vesa |
| 06:12.26 | needle_ | Icky two bad repactcha in a row.... http://i54.tinypic.com/11justf.jpg there is sparky.... |
| 06:12.32 | needle_ | Sparky the edge router..... |
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| 06:14.34 | Onryo | Circuitsoft lol that will do it. Are you using vesa now? |
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| 06:19.35 | Circuitsoft | I'm not using vesa. Vesa always crashed it. I'm using the default driver, which is siliconmotion. |
| 06:19.59 | Circuitsoft | I had to add a Screen section named Configured Screen with DefaultDepth 16 |
| 06:21.06 | Circuitsoft | Now, I need to remove the working config and plan on guiding my brother through recreating this config tomorrow. |
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| 06:30.13 | Circuitsoft | goes to bed. |
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| 06:43.27 | NoOova | Hi all! must i ad rootfs in md raid1? |
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| 06:43.40 | NoOova | if i use raid1 and lvm |
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| 06:50.15 | cutout | Hi, so who wants to help me rebuild an unmaintained package :) |
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| 06:57.06 | kish | http://7bits.nl/blog/2011/05/12/on-cve-2010-3435 |
| 06:57.15 | kish | Ubuntu 10.04 and Debian 6 are still vulnerable to this issue. Debian has a report on file but has not acted on it yet. Ubuntu doesnât seem to know at all |
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| 07:01.17 | ompaul | kish: so it is an attack by a user who has access to the box - now at some point physical access to the box also hurts |
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| 07:01.48 | ompaul | kish: interesting but not what I would call the worst thing I've seen this week. ;-) |
| 07:02.02 | kish | ompaul, i've not read it to be honest |
| 07:02.10 | kish | thought you should know of it anyway |
| 07:02.34 | kish | im finally going to bed ;) |
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| 07:35.55 | surgeon | hi all |
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| 07:42.31 | epsilon | ohshizlgizen: man wine |
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| 07:46.28 | poncha | hi. i have a weird resolving problem.. here's what happens: (1) ping remoteboxname -> OK (2) lynx -source http://remoteboxname/.... -> Unable to locate remote host remoteboxname. (3) ping remoteboxname -> ping: unknown host remoteboxname .... then after some time (a couple of minutes) i can ping it again |
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| 07:46.45 | poncha | tried dig and nslookup - both return valid results |
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| 07:47.24 | poncha | (and they return valid results while ping cannot resolve) |
| 07:47.32 | poncha | nsswitch has "files dns" order |
| 07:48.12 | poncha | there is no entry for the remoteboxname in /etc/hosts and i checked all 3 dns servers that are configured in /etc/resolv.conf with nslookup and they resolve it well |
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| 07:48.41 | poncha | any ideas what causes this and how i can fix this (without adding record to /etc/hosts) ? |
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| 07:49.37 | somiaj | poncha: wireless internet on that box? Could be some internet hickup where your box couldnt' connect to the DNS, or does this happen every time yoiu run lynx -source. Does this happen with any other address? |
| 07:51.09 | digdilem__ | is there any way for apache2 to force hostnamelookups off? (So not overriden by htaccess) ? |
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| 07:55.14 | Kruptein | Hey does anyone know how I can get the Standards-Version? (packaging) |
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| 07:57.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kruptein: get it how? |
| 07:57.31 | wecing | Hello. I am using squeeze. After updating my kernel to 2.6.32-5-686, I rebooted. But when running gdm, it reports something wrong with /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority. Then I ran gnome, but found that something was wrong -- the gtk theme engine murrine which I had beed using was reported as not installed, and I could not run gnome-terminal with the keyboard short cut I set before. Any solution? |
| 07:57.31 | Kruptein | Kamping_Kaiser: I need to give the Standards-Version but I don't know which version it is, so I wondered how I could get it |
| 07:58.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kruptein: targetting stable or unstable? 3.9.1 is in stable, unstable 3.9.2 |
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| 07:59.12 | Kruptein | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
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| 07:59.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | Kruptein: if you have debian-policy installed, /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.txt.gz has it as the 3rdline:) |
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| 07:59.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | wecing: what else did you chagne? |
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| 08:00.15 | wecing | Kamping_Kaiser: nothing. I just updated my system. |
| 08:00.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | wecing: was there a gdm or theme update? have you installed new themes or packages recently? |
| 08:01.14 | somiaj | digdilem__: sounds like a question for #apache or look up apache config options for httpd.comf. |
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| 08:02.05 | wecing | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not sure. All I can remember is dpkg updated the kernel and chromium. |
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| 08:04.51 | poncha | somiaj: not wireless. ethernet with static ip, and this does not happen with other addresses |
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| 08:05.19 | poncha | and my dns servers are on local net btw |
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| 08:06.31 | poncha | the remote boxname is a cname .. though i dont think this should be a problem |
| 08:06.35 | Bushmills | poncha: several name servers - master and slaves? short TTLs on your A records? |
| 08:06.39 | poncha | heres the remote name: ads.cpxadroit.com |
| 08:07.08 | poncha | the target isnt managed by me... |
| 08:07.20 | poncha | ttl 1800 |
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| 08:08.08 | Bushmills | hm. that's longer than "after some time (a couple of minutes)" |
| 08:08.11 | poncha | oh... dig shows some problem on that domain |
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| 08:09.42 | wecing | Kamping_Kaiser: Are you still there? I tried running metacity --replace, luckily, everything went back. |
| 08:09.47 | poncha | subdomain where this cname points is managed by two nses which apparently dont exist :S |
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| 08:12.29 | digdilem__ | somiaj, yes. thanks but have worked around it now |
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| 08:14.12 | djszapi | Hi! how can I remove a package with dpkg -P even if there are other packages depending on that ? |
| 08:14.32 | somiaj | ajikeshi_: use apt-get --purge remove, or aptitude |
| 08:14.37 | djszapi | ohh force |
| 08:14.50 | djszapi | dpkg -r --force cups -> this does not work either |
| 08:14.51 | dpkg | removes --force cups -> this does not work either along with a pound of flesh from djszapi's body, then staples djszapi back up with a staple gun. |
| 08:15.47 | somiaj | djszapi: usually a bad call to remove it like that as opposed to taking its dependendents as well. but man dpkg, you want to force all, --force-all or something to that effect |
| 08:16.04 | djszapi | --force-all, I figured out meanwhile, thanks |
| 08:16.08 | somiaj | djszapi: there are other options, that one just gets them all..again this is usually a bad idea. |
| 08:16.11 | djszapi | I know it is bad, but it is fine this time |
| 08:16.21 | djszapi | it is perfectly fine this time really |
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| 08:16.58 | djszapi | otherwise this option would not exist :) |
| 08:17.01 | djszapi | if it is ultimately wrong :p |
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| 08:17.50 | poncha | heh... added that box address into /etc/hosts .... on my dns :) and it works now |
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| 08:19.09 | somiaj | poncha: have a bad switch/router that is droping packets on the lan? |
| 08:19.49 | poncha | somiaj: no packets dropped between my server and nses... |
| 08:20.00 | poncha | that domain is weird (cpxadroit.com) |
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| 08:20.54 | poncha | "ads.cpxadroit.com" is cname to "ads.gh.cpxadroit.com", "gh.cpxadroit.com" is delegated to two NS servers, which are both inside gh.cpxadroit.com ... but those nses cannot resolve themselves |
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| 08:24.09 | simonlnu | doh |
| 08:24.21 | simonlnu | bad config... |
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| 08:25.09 | H2S04 | /jo/bu9 |
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| 08:31.22 | kelsoo | Does anyone know if maintainers can just remove software from Debian main to contrib or non-free because they think it's a good idea? Does Debian have a policy on such things. |
| 08:31.24 | kelsoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:32.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | kelsoo: if its not dfsg free they can |
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| 08:35.48 | eshat | Hi all, powertop does not report current power cunsumtion anymore (version 2), is there an alternative ? |
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| 08:40.49 | kelsoo | Kamping_Kaiser: Well it was dfsg until the maintainer decided it was a good idea to build the package with software that needs contrib. I'm thinking conky here |
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| 08:41.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | kelsoo: ah, ok. i don't know what happens there (other then 'cope' :/) |
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| 08:41.52 | flamingspinach | I'm having trouble installing halevt. Anyone have any ideas? Install log: http://pastebin.com/YwiWjUqr |
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| 08:42.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | flamingspinach: have you had it installed previously and removed it? |
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| 08:43.11 | flamingspinach | nope |
| 08:43.22 | kelsoo | I was more interested in who decides and if there is a Debian policy |
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| 08:44.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | flamingspinach: well, i certainly suggest filing a bug. |
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| 08:44.44 | flamingspinach | OK. |
| 08:44.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | flamingspinach: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ has the postinst script, perhaps have a look and see if you can spot the problem |
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| 08:45.25 | kelsoo | halevt is in testing but not stable if I remember correctly |
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| 08:46.48 | kelsoo | no it's in stable and sid not testing |
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| 08:51.17 | flamingspinach | yeah, the one it tried to install was pulled from squeeze/main according to `apt-cache policy halevt` |
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| 08:51.46 | Asem | hello , i want to force remove a package that still having a dependenices |
| 08:52.32 | eshat | Asem: why, should "apt-get remove package" not work ? |
| 08:53.04 | Asem | i dont want the dependencies to be uninstalled |
| 08:53.55 | eshat | Asem: aptitude unmarkauto "package" (where package should be kept) |
| 08:54.23 | nvz | Could anyone tell me how to use xmodmap to turn my capslock into a shift key on a perm basis? |
| 08:55.01 | nvz | idk if there is something off about this keyboard or what, but i keep hitting the capslock way too much.. heh |
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| 08:57.07 | sanderj_ | Do anyone know where I can read about debian lenny's security advisories for sshd? |
| 08:57.12 | flamingspinach | Kamping_Kaiser: should this be a report for halevt or for something else, like APT or something? |
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| 08:58.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | flamingspinach: on halevt |
| 08:58.42 | flamingspinach | I'm guessing "important" since I can't confirm it's broken for anyone else |
| 08:58.43 | cookiemon5ter | anyone know where i can add support for double tap for left click for a netbook |
| 08:59.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | nvz: this will make it a ctrl, i assume there is similar for shift 'setxkbmap -option "ctrl:nocaps"' |
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| 09:02.41 | simonlnu | sanderj_: security.debian.org |
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| 09:05.48 | flamingspinach | ... while trying to submit my bug report for halevt, reportbug crashed on me... |
| 09:05.51 | flamingspinach | not my day lol |
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| 09:07.27 | simonlnu | crashed? first time i've heard that. |
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| 09:23.29 | nvz | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm considering just prying it off the keyboard.. heh.. its just pissing me off I think thats what the real problem is here.. my old keyboard I pried it off.. heh |
| 09:23.38 | nvz | I'm just used to not having a capslock |
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| 09:27.05 | juore | hi, I have installed pulseaudio according to this link: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497. Everything is working fine except, when I have browser videos + vlc. At a time sound from only one device works. Is this a known problem, or is there any procedure to debug this? Distro: squeeze |
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| 09:29.41 | LTe | juore: in vlc in settings > audio -- you must choose pulse-audio |
| 09:30.03 | juore | it is set to pulseaudio only |
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| 09:31.03 | LTe | I have 'outpu module' to pulse, and device to 'default' |
| 09:31.55 | juore | LTe: same configuration? |
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| 09:32.25 | LTe | juore: maybe browser talk to audio-card direcly, not via pulse |
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| 09:32.43 | LTe | and block resource |
| 09:32.48 | juore | but the other software work |
| 09:32.56 | nvz | he's probably using flash in the browser |
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| 09:33.01 | nvz | PA doesnt work with flash |
| 09:33.19 | nvz | and lots of third party crap |
| 09:33.50 | LTe | flash with alsa works just fine |
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| 09:34.11 | nvz | right and alsa and PA are the same thing |
| 09:34.11 | LTe | maybe you should back to old good soluction :) |
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| 09:34.30 | juore | LTe: this actually seems true, because only miro player seems to work with browser vid on but nothing else |
| 09:35.16 | nvz | flash is evil is the moral to this story |
| 09:35.24 | LTe | :) |
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| 09:35.54 | juore | mine is 64 bit distro so the flash might be buggy |
| 09:36.11 | nvz | haha |
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| 09:36.48 | nvz | flash IS buggy. would be a correct statement |
| 09:37.18 | nvz | its an ignorant hack to add functionality to the web that was before its time.. |
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| 09:39.27 | nvz | and because web 2.0 took so long in the making it became a widely used proprietary architecture that is techincally obsolete but people wont just let go of |
| 09:40.13 | nvz | and to make matters worse people are still making crap like that.. move media player comcast uses is at the top of my shitlist |
| 09:41.00 | nvz | which is why I steal showtime on torrent sites even though I'm legally entitled to it.. :-/ |
| 09:41.49 | juore | but it doesn't looks exactly due to flash bcs it doesn't works with html5 videos too |
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| 09:42.44 | nvz | idk there is something on the PA website about setting up rc files that sets PA to default for all apps that try use alsa. |
| 09:43.04 | nvz | that solved many of my issues, but not all of them, flash and my metaverse viewers still failed to work |
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| 09:44.06 | nvz | I just stopped using PA and considered it to be a pipe dream.. cause it depends on people programming properly and conforming to standards and that just doesnt happen |
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| 09:44.42 | nvz | until this is done at a kernel level completely transparent to applications, it will never work |
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| 09:44.52 | juore | pulseaudio is an abstration over alsa right? it uses alsa and proves itself as a sound device? |
| 09:45.04 | juore | like lvm |
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| 09:45.39 | nvz | something like that, but it depends on apps being aware of it, and in ways it tries to overcome apps that arent using wrappers will inevitably fail |
| 09:46.01 | juore | k |
| 09:46.15 | Gump | hey #debian, flash player has suddenly started stuttering and becoming unresponsive. i didnt change anything, but from one minute to the next it suddenly became all but unusable. i've restarted multiple times, checked everything i can think of, and i can't figure out what started it. any ideas? |
| 09:46.20 | nvz | lvm is done in the kernel, apps have no idea its even there |
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| 09:47.37 | juore | k |
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| 09:48.11 | juore | so pulseaudio just act as an optional device but not *only* device |
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| 09:49.54 | nvz | in short pulseaudio is a userland application, there are ways as I mentioned for alsa to feed back into PA which resolves many issues, but without it being implemented in the kernel its never gonna work properly in all scenarios |
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| 09:51.34 | nvz | the idea I speak of, is where alsa itself basically uses the logical PA device as its output looping audio sent to alsa through PA and back to alsa |
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| 09:56.55 | orflon | hello, I'd like to install packages of size 400 mb, but my connection is too slow. Can I use apt-zip and get the list of packages that are needed, download them from another pc and install them offline? Or is there any other reliable way? Thanks. |
| 09:57.34 | wols | of course you can. |
| 09:57.46 | orflon | wols, using apt-zip? |
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| 09:57.57 | wols | yes. that is what apt-zip was made for |
| 09:58.39 | orflon | wols, the only option that seems suitable for that is "-a dselect" but I don't understand how should I call it. The manuals didn't help me with that. |
| 09:58.41 | wols | actually, if you copy all packages you need to /var/cache/apt/archives/ then apt should/will download nothing and use those packages. apt-zip just automaties it all |
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| 10:00.44 | orflon | wols, but how could I get the list of packages I need? Just copy the ones that apt-get gives me? |
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| 10:01.02 | orflon | Before pressing "yes" in order to continue with the downloading? |
| 10:01.16 | wols | apt-zip-list -p <packages you want> |
| 10:01.27 | orflon | ah |
| 10:01.32 | orflon | let me try that thanks |
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| 10:10.48 | crodjer | nvz: the asoundrc at http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup seems solved this for me (I am juore only) |
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| 10:15.43 | nvz | crodjer: that would be the one I spoke of.. |
| 10:15.57 | lapsusbrutus | Im trying to install nvidia drivers, and Im told to install "kernel-source" i tried to aptitude install linux-source-2.6.32, but still get error, unable to find the kernel source tree |
| 10:16.28 | nvz | lapsusbrutus: you only need kernel headers to build a driver, and thats only if the already compiled ones wont work |
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| 10:17.18 | wols | !tell lapsusbrutus about nvidia |
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| 10:17.24 | nvz | lapsusbrutus: the nvidia drivers need to be pointed at the location of your source/headers in order to build |
| 10:17.41 | wols | lapsusbrutus: what videocard and which debian branch? |
| 10:18.18 | lapsusbrutus | squeeze AMD64, geforce 8600 GT |
| 10:18.47 | wols | the non-free drivers which are already compiled will work fine. you won't need to compile anythingf |
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| 10:19.09 | lapsusbrutus | wols, you know a easy way to do it |
| 10:19.12 | lapsusbrutus | ? |
| 10:19.29 | MeglaW | i think i burned my cpu.. http://i.imgur.com/uFIeZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/tSB7o.jpg http://i.imgur.com/myFz3.jpg |
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| 10:19.39 | wols | dpkg just told you. in essence you just install the packages with apt-get like any other |
| 10:19.39 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, wols |
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| 10:20.49 | lapsusbrutus | so for 8600 dkms would be the one? |
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| 10:21.19 | wols | no |
| 10:21.24 | wols | I said no compiling |
| 10:21.30 | nvz | lapsusbrutus: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` nvidia-glx nvidia-settings |
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| 10:21.56 | wols | lapsusbrutus: enable non-free and contrib obviously |
| 10:22.09 | lapsusbrutus | wols, did that :) |
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| 10:22.48 | Woet | How do I make the debian installer read a kickstart file? |
| 10:23.18 | wols | !tell Woet about kickstart |
| 10:23.53 | Woet | the site it links me to, http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/, is offline. |
| 10:24.02 | Timo__ | hello |
| 10:24.22 | Timo__ | can anyone help me with logrotate? |
| 10:24.39 | Woet | Timo__: just ask your question. |
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| 10:25.26 | wols | Woet: but it also tells you which package to use which should give you a startingpoint, no? |
| 10:25.30 | lapsusbrutus | thanks wols nvz, going to try a restart :) |
| 10:25.35 | Timo__ | I have a log that needs to be rotated with copytruncate |
| 10:25.45 | Woet | wols: I'm not entirely sure how a package could help when this is about installing debian |
| 10:26.05 | Woet | wols: I have a kickstart, I have a PXE server - I just need to know the argument to pass to make debian read the ks on the append line |
| 10:26.07 | nvz | MeglaW: yeah.. looks that way.. also looks like you used two different thermal compounds and enitrely too much of both |
| 10:26.10 | wols | Woet: it's a udeb, which should be a big clue for you |
| 10:26.10 | Timo__ | but I just get a new file with the date ext with a size of 0 bytes and my log still exists |
| 10:26.56 | MeglaW | nvz: naa, i did not see the thermal pad. so the glue reacted. |
| 10:27.13 | nvz | glue? |
| 10:27.16 | Timo__ | the logrotate gives me an error: error setting owner ... operation not permitteed |
| 10:28.02 | MeglaW | old trick. pinhead of superglue at corners and paste at the rest. works great when you cant screw it fastned (and its not gonna be submitted to vibrations |
| 10:28.24 | nvz | haha |
| 10:28.46 | nvz | first of all you need only a small drop of thermal compound, and no.. glue is not a good idea |
| 10:29.29 | Woet | MeglaW: where's the photo? |
| 10:30.02 | MeglaW | and you are like 12 and have fiddled with like 10-100 machines. im 30 and have overclocked and hw modded stuff since c64. what noobs think is a "bad idea" usialy is a involved tech thay dont understand. :) |
| 10:30.07 | MeglaW | Woet: scroll up. :) |
| 10:30.13 | Woet | MeglaW: I only just joined. |
| 10:30.17 | MeglaW | ah |
| 10:30.17 | MeglaW | ;) |
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| 10:30.19 | MeglaW | http://i.imgur.com/uFIeZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/tSB7o.jpg http://i.imgur.com/myFz3.jpg |
| 10:30.22 | nvz | MeglaW: luckily for you, you can get a replacement cpu for under 20 bucks and probably under 10 |
| 10:30.28 | MeglaW | annyway, its pretty OT |
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| 10:31.00 | MeglaW | lets move it into #off-topic if u wanna discuss it more. :) |
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| 10:31.11 | Woet | wols: I'm sorry, but it's not a big clue to me. |
| 10:31.22 | wols | !udeb |
| 10:31.22 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not <policy> compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius, or http://wiki.debian.org/udeb |
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| 10:31.46 | MeglaW | nvz: ? a dualcore 1.8 for 20 bucks? were? |
| 10:32.27 | Woet | MeglaW: celeron E3400, 34 euro |
| 10:32.49 | Woet | wols: I'm sorry, but it's still not helping me find the parameter to pass a kickstart to the initrd.. |
| 10:32.51 | attractive | Hello all, i`m using Lubuntu 11.04 release on my OEM version of Mio Litepad N890 and have much of bugs. Can anybody help me with this? |
| 10:33.17 | SPF | attractive: this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 10:33.21 | jelly | attractive: sorry, this channel only covers Debian proper |
| 10:33.39 | attractive | sorry |
| 10:33.43 | MeglaW | Woet: this is a laptop... |
| 10:33.51 | jelly | attractive: there is however a #lubuntu channel |
| 10:34.07 | MeglaW | anyway, the cpu is not dead, i just have to clean it. |
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| 10:35.40 | innociv | How do I see that cron is running? /usr/sbin/cron in processes? |
| 10:36.11 | MeglaW | the lesson here is to remember to remove the thermal pad from your cooler... |
| 10:36.20 | petemc | innociv: grep -i cron /var/log/syslog |
| 10:36.26 | MeglaW | and get better lighting so you can see it lo |
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| 10:36.54 | wols | the url is the kickstart howto not the debian kickseed one. as for something discussing kickseed: http://us.generation-nt.com/merging-kickstart-support-ubuntu-help-169679921.html |
| 10:37.27 | mikunos | hi guys how have I to copy a directory structure without the overriding request for each file? |
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| 10:38.16 | wols | "overriding request for each file" ? |
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| 10:38.40 | nvz | MeglaW: http://www.pricewatch.com/search?q=SL9 believe it or not those aren't top o the line anymore.. |
| 10:38.54 | mikunos | wols the cp command asks me for each existent file if I want to override it |
| 10:39.36 | wols | mikunos: man cp. --force ? |
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| 10:40.03 | mikunos | wols already tested, I get always that question |
| 10:40.05 | wols | mc should also be able to overwrite all |
| 10:40.23 | MeglaW | nvz: whats your point, i can buy new stuff if my old breaks? "thx" |
| 10:40.46 | wols | MeglaW: what's YOUR point in here again? |
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| 10:41.48 | Woet | wols: still haven't found a single howto/tutorial on how to set up kickseed unfortunately |
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| 10:42.43 | innociv | petemc, thanks. Looks like I have a lot of errors. |
| 10:43.13 | wols | Woet: I doubt there is one :( seems very undocumented to me. maybe ask the author? |
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| 10:43.35 | Woet | wols: maybe I should just use preseed, but it's very different from kickstart |
| 10:43.48 | wols | well, FAI is the way to go for debian... |
| 10:43.55 | wols | and there are howtos :P |
| 10:44.07 | Woet | yes, but I don't want to build an entire system for each distribution |
| 10:44.19 | Woet | i've got centos/freebsd/fedora/vmware supported on this system |
| 10:44.23 | innociv | Cron doesn't seem to be working correctly for me. grep -i cron /var/log/syslog returns http://pastebin.com/z6Fg0Df6 |
| 10:44.44 | Woet | innociv: you do know that output shows your box is exploited, right? |
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| 10:45.11 | Woet | unless you put your applications in "/var/tmp/.xyx/f/.s/update", then it's totally legit. |
| 10:45.17 | buhman | I'm trying to set up a svn server and when I try to restart apache, I'm told that there |
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| 10:46.00 | buhman | there's no mpm module installed; when I checked aptitude for what mpm packages there were, it looks like there's multiple choices; what should I pick and do I actually need this mpm? |
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| 10:46.31 | MeglaW | wols: to remind you ppl to remove the thermal pad/have ampal lighting when modding your hw. :) |
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| 10:46.39 | innociv | Oh.. No I don't think I have anythign there. :| |
| 10:46.47 | innociv | My box doesn't seem to be doing anything bad though |
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| 10:47.08 | themill | .o(noexec tmp ftw) |
| 10:47.26 | Woet | you should check out /var/tmp/.xyx/f/.s/, you will probably find some fun ssh scanners in there |
| 10:47.36 | Woet | maybe even an irc ddos drone if you're lucky |
| 10:48.35 | themill | innociv: step 1) pull the network cable out of that machine; step 2) work out what it is and how it got there; step 3) reinstall from fresh media and restore backups, fixing the hole at the same time. |
| 10:48.35 | innociv | Intersting, no google results |
| 10:49.08 | innociv | Oh yeah, definitely not good things in there. |
| 10:49.24 | innociv | How do I do step 2? |
| 10:50.20 | dudz_ | you use that thing that you used to type with, when you formed that sentence above |
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| 10:51.20 | Woet | innociv: firstly, who are the files owned by? |
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| 10:52.45 | lusotux | i bet it's apache |
| 10:52.51 | innociv | looks like it got there by lighttpd upload |
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| 10:53.03 | lusotux | or that |
| 10:53.04 | innociv | owned by the same user |
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| 10:53.26 | innociv | Well I had an old version of lighttpd until today. Maybe that was it |
| 10:53.36 | lusotux | personally i whould mount /tmp with noexec and no suid |
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| 10:54.10 | innociv | it says it's an image but i doubt that. |
| 10:54.25 | innociv | lusotux, I'm not sure what that means |
| 10:54.54 | themill | lusotux: actually, since this was in /var/tmp there's slightly more work to be done than that |
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| 10:55.19 | lusotux | yes |
| 10:55.38 | lusotux | i know ... some script php or otherwise must be using /var/tmp as a tmp dir |
| 10:55.45 | lusotux | and is allowing file uploads |
| 10:55.53 | lusotux | it is a common "atack" |
| 10:56.21 | themill | quite |
| 10:57.32 | innociv | Yeah. My php allows image uploads. |
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| 11:03.39 | innociv | it just allows image file types, but this made itself look like one |
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| 11:08.18 | lusotux | innociv, imho you should change the temp dir on your php script to /tmp and mount it as i told you |
| 11:08.23 | lusotux | it is not a silver bullet |
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| 11:08.31 | lusotux | but ... it should do the trick |
| 11:08.44 | innociv | mount it? |
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| 11:09.18 | innociv | Can you explain what that means? Or something less ambigious to google. |
| 11:09.30 | lusotux | ok |
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| 11:09.51 | lusotux | i anyone does not share my opinion plese say something |
| 11:10.05 | lusotux | personally i whould put /tmp on a separate partition |
| 11:10.06 | innociv | This appears to be a ddos. |
| 11:10.11 | innociv | Ahh |
| 11:10.41 | lusotux | ant then in fstab something like /yourpartition /tmp noexec,nosuid |
| 11:11.00 | lusotux | ant then in fstab something like /yourpartition fstype /tmp noexec,nosuid |
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| 11:11.26 | lusotux | that whould prevent any malicious scripts uploaded to you server from being executed |
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| 11:13.38 | innociv | php.socket is in the /tmp/ dir. I wonder if that'll effect anything |
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| 11:15.43 | lusotux | dono |
| 11:16.21 | [lucas] | you speak Spanish or English? |
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| 11:16.32 | innociv | I guess I'll see. I'll be able to change it if it does |
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| 11:18.09 | lusotux | [lucas], me ? |
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| 11:19.09 | [lucas] | yes |
| 11:19.10 | [lucas] | si |
| 11:19.48 | lusotux | i speak english and portuguese |
| 11:20.11 | [lucas] | portugeus? |
| 11:20.25 | lusotux | yes |
| 11:20.27 | [lucas] | nao sei se voce esta me entendendo mais falo portugeus |
| 11:20.30 | lusotux | :) |
| 11:20.31 | lusotux | tou sim |
| 11:20.36 | lusotux | es brasileiro !!! |
| 11:20.44 | [lucas] | vc é onde? |
| 11:20.48 | [lucas] | sou sim |
| 11:20.49 | lusotux | porto portugal |
| 11:20.50 | themill | !br |
| 11:20.50 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:20.56 | lusotux | sorry |
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| 11:21.20 | ppq | hi there. i got some problems with grub-legacy on my lenovo ideapad s205 (uefi netbook). it's a dualboot setup, windows 7 and debian sid. using grub, i can't boot into windows. i wonder if this is the right place to look for help...? anyway, i described my problem here: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Ideapad-S205-GRUB-EFI-trouble/td-p/443559 |
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| 11:22.44 | Guest76819 | ppq: There is a channel for wheezy/sid users named #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:23.25 | innociv | Thank you for your help and advice, lusotux. |
| 11:23.35 | lusotux | :) |
| 11:23.41 | lusotux | here to help |
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| 11:23.43 | [lucas] | The bad news is that this channel is in English only :( |
| 11:24.14 | wols | after innociv's problem with /var/tmp I just thought "should check myeslf what's in there" and run a "ls /var/tmp". nothing happens. after almost five minutes I get a bit antsy since only the disk churms and nothing shows on screen.... |
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| 11:24.36 | innociv | D: |
| 11:24.57 | wols | so I take a livecd, boot it and go in there, thinking whatever's in there can't be good. better use a clean medium. with the live cd same thing happens but I wait. |
| 11:25.45 | wols | finally, list comes up. 280000 files from nfcapd going back to 2007, all 276 bytes each..... nfcapd is something I uninstalled last year or so but it didn't take its useless fils with it |
| 11:25.56 | wols | after rm, 500MB are free again |
| 11:26.59 | [lucas] | anyone have a good application for PCs that are slow? |
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| 11:27.28 | wols | !wayttd [lucas] |
| 11:27.29 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, [lucas]? |
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| 11:28.02 | nsadmin | [lucas], what application do you have for pcs that are fast? |
| 11:28.50 | [lucas] | increase the speed of my computer |
| 11:29.23 | nsadmin | translates to slow speak |
| 11:29.26 | nsadmin | why? |
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| 11:30.06 | [lucas] | light-weight and free |
| 11:30.43 | lusotux | what kind of app are you looking for ... office ... mail ... web ... or just sistem optimization ? |
| 11:31.13 | wols | [lucas]: what kind of PC do you have and what do you want to do with it? |
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| 11:31.53 | abrotman | [lucas]: and which OS do you run ? |
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| 11:35.25 | [lucas] | [lusotux]vc conhece algum bate papo legal? |
| 11:35.47 | lusotux | [lucas], no portuguese here ... plz |
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| 11:37.13 | roger21 | hi, what would be an easy way to ssh-connect to a behind-proxy-machine-i-have-physicaly-access-to, pre opening somethin or so ? |
| 11:37.16 | wols | !pt |
| 11:37.16 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 11:38.41 | babilen | !pt |
| 11:38.41 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 11:38.45 | babilen | [lucas]: ^^^^ |
| 11:39.05 | nsadmin | that were done already :) are you lagged? |
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| 11:39.46 | babilen | nsadmin: apparently so |
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| 11:46.57 | unicstar | !en |
| 11:46.57 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 11:47.46 | roger21 | !fr |
| 11:47.46 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 11:48.13 | roger21 | !zu |
| 11:48.18 | roger21 | !tv |
| 11:48.18 | dpkg | i guess tv is KILL YOUR TELEVISION! (by watching it until it burns out). See also <bttv>, <ivtv>, <dvb>. |
| 11:48.35 | roger21 | !dvb |
| 11:48.35 | dpkg | Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB) is a suite of standards for digital television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB). Drivers for a large number of DVB devices are included in the Linux 2.6 kernel, see http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ for more information. For USB DVB bridge firmware, ask me about <af9015>, <dib0700>. See also <dvb-apps>, <e506r>, <mantis>, <saa7134>, <saa716x>. #linuxtv on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:48.44 | roger21 | !ivtv |
| 11:48.44 | dpkg | The IVTV drivers provide support for Conexant CX23415/CX23416 based PCI hardware. Supported devices: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware . ivtv kernel driver and all related i2c drivers (inc. saa717x) are in mainline as of Linux 2.6.26, use of the ivtv-source package is not required on Lenny systems. Firmware is required, ask me about <ivtv firmware>. http://ivtvdriver.org/ See also <pvrusb2>. |
| 11:48.56 | Shadur | !tell roger21 about msg |
| 11:49.17 | roger21 | u_u |
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| 11:50.33 | unicstar | !libwrap |
| 11:50.58 | wols | !tell unicstar about msg the bot |
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| 11:51.13 | webad13 | how could I rearange every other entry in a row in a separate column? |
| 11:51.14 | unicstar | :-) |
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| 11:52.26 | esben | Can someone tell me what has happened to the mailscanner package? It appears to have disappeared from unstable? |
| 11:52.41 | wols | !tell esben about sid |
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| 11:53.51 | Shadur | #debian-next is invite-only apparently. |
| 11:54.14 | abrotman | Shadur: irc.oftc.net |
| 11:54.16 | esben | wols: Well, it is hard to report bugs on a package not in the system. Is it being deprecated, or is it just a glitch, or something else? |
| 11:54.23 | Shadur | Ahh. |
| 11:54.29 | abrotman | !tell esben about removals |
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| 11:54.45 | abrotman | esben: it had been orphaned |
| 11:54.56 | Shadur | Thanks. |
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| 11:55.39 | esben | abrotman: I thank thee. I did not know about that tool. |
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| 12:13.16 | ujjain | What is the hotswaping line for dhcp eth0 interface I posted here yesterday? ^^ |
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| 12:50.14 | DotHack | how do i change my IFS to tab IFS=\t doesnt seem to work |
| 12:51.48 | DotHack | on to prompt i mean then, maybe some escaping issue? |
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| 12:54.30 | Fanisk | hi all. crontab. time- 24.00 > * 00 * * * ? |
| 12:54.51 | Justin | Fanisk: what? |
| 12:54.53 | themill | DotHack: $'\t' |
| 12:55.22 | Out`Of`Control | its in sec or hours? |
| 12:55.46 | DotHack | themill: thnx!!! |
| 12:55.57 | Fanisk | hours |
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| 12:58.14 | unicstar | what do you mean Out of Control ? sec or hours ?? |
| 12:58.47 | unicstar | that crontab means everyday at time 00 ( once a 24 hour |
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| 12:59.14 | wathek | Hi all |
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| 13:00.05 | wathek | am I the only one who has problems with skype for 64 bits ? it crashs after 5 seconds after I run it |
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| 13:04.25 | wols | !skype |
| 13:04.25 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 13:04.57 | SPF | wathek: Microsoft bought Skype not too long ago, they are probably migrating servers |
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| 13:05.20 | wathek | SPF it's strange cause on my Android it works |
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| 13:06.25 | SPF | wathek: https://support.skype.com/en-gb/faq/FA10874/I-m-having-problems-with-Skype-today |
| 13:06.38 | wathek | thank you |
| 13:07.17 | rozie | wathek: it's told that removing of one file helps |
| 13:07.45 | wathek | yep |
| 13:08.10 | rozie | I wonder, what this file contains... |
| 13:08.20 | rozie | encryption keys? |
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| 13:09.26 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:09.45 | apofis | hi guys |
| 13:09.49 | apofis | quick question |
| 13:10.00 | apofis | where can I find iso image for Debian Lenny ? |
| 13:10.06 | apofis | 5.0.7 to be more exact |
| 13:10.06 | gypsymauro | I've deleted for mistake a folder on a debian machine, there is a way to know the list of installed packages that contains files in that folder? |
| 13:10.41 | wols | !tell apofis about lenny |
| 13:11.06 | themill | apofis: /msg dpkg install lenny |
| 13:11.26 | apofis | themill: got it thx |
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| 13:12.22 | rozie | gypsymauro: wajig whichpkg /full/path |
| 13:12.36 | rozie | (you can also use apt-file) |
| 13:13.28 | rozie | if packages contains files in this directory, it should be listed |
| 13:13.35 | apofis | themill:problem is I canno find the ISO image :/ |
| 13:13.48 | rozie | if they are created with postinstall - probably not |
| 13:14.04 | babilen | apofis: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.7/ huh? |
| 13:14.24 | themill | apofis: perhaps reading what dpkg said... |
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| 13:17.17 | ilyuhan | hello |
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| 13:17.40 | ilyuhan | how to install openssl-1.0 on Debian Squeeze? |
| 13:18.12 | apofis | ok I found 5.08 should be fine - I hope ;) thx |
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| 13:18.51 | babilen | apofis: I thought you wanted 5.07, but well have fun. May I ask why you want to install oldstable as opposed to stable? |
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| 13:19.11 | anonymus | hi guys. would anyone give me lenny's source list ? thank you in advance |
| 13:19.26 | themill | dpkg: tell anonymus about lenny sources.list |
| 13:19.29 | dkr | dpkg: tell ilyuhan about simple sid backport |
| 13:20.05 | themill | ilyuhan, dkr: I'd imagine there's nothing simple about such a backport |
| 13:20.41 | dkr | yeah, I was just thinking how to word a warning against doing it, heh |
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| 13:22.15 | anonymus | themill: i know how to. i need working source list for vm. i do not use debian besides this vm. any pastes? thank you! |
| 13:22.31 | unicstar | I ask dpkg "what is <..something...> and he answers me "but what is already something else" !!!!! |
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| 13:22.53 | anonymus | anybody bitte! |
| 13:23.09 | zxd__ | how to tell which ppp interface a pppd process is attached too |
| 13:23.14 | themill | anonymus: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 13:23.26 | TheAvatar | Some xen guest where each second takes about one real time minute to elapse - what can be wrong? using clocksource=jiffies like on other hosts |
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| 13:24.16 | TheAvatar | other guests on the same host doesnt have this problem |
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| 13:25.08 | dkr | TheAvatar: sounds like Inception |
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| 13:26.01 | anonymus | themill: i have read it about 3 years ago. already done. thank you |
| 13:26.13 | Justin | dkr: isn't Inception the other way around? |
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| 13:28.01 | TheAvatar | dkr, lol true, but not that cool as the movie tho :D |
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| 13:29.51 | dkr | Justin: no. confusing, isn't it? also consider that dicaprio went under the water at the end of Titanic and woke up on the beach at the start of Inception so maybe the whole movie was nested in a dream. o_O |
| 13:30.45 | project2501a | hm. can i add a new version of gcc alongside the old one? can i have two versions of libc, as well? |
| 13:30.48 | Justin | dkr: no, it is definitely the other way around |
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| 13:30.52 | dkr | project2501a: yes |
| 13:31.05 | project2501a | dkr: can i have a clue how, please? |
| 13:31.09 | project2501a | what should i read? |
| 13:31.29 | wols | project2501a: for gcc, just install it |
| 13:31.36 | dkr | project2501a: well you can just use the evrsion numbers, e.g. gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.4 |
| 13:31.48 | project2501a | because so far, everytime i try it, apt-get has pulled a new version of libc, which screws up my lsf installation. |
| 13:31.53 | wols | for libc6 it might be possible but not automatically working like multiple gccs do |
| 13:32.03 | wols | project2501a: lsf? |
| 13:32.28 | project2501a | platform lsf, a popular batch scheduler |
| 13:32.35 | romgo_ | Hello guys, I'm running openldap 2.4 and I'm trying to give access users to read its own information |
| 13:32.57 | romgo_ | I didn't find the proper acl yet |
| 13:34.01 | project2501a | so far, i have not been able to successfully install two versions of libc, using apt. |
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| 13:34.08 | project2501a | so far, i have not been able to successfully install two versions of libc, using apt-get |
| 13:34.47 | wols | as I said, can't do it automatically. and if you install 2 versions you still have to make sure some random program uses the specially designated one by compiling the program to use it |
| 13:35.11 | project2501a | *nod* |
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| 13:35.32 | themill | project2501a: you should be able to install two gcc-4.x packages without requiring a new libc6. If you're needing a new libc6 then you're mixing releases and that's going to end in tears. |
| 13:35.50 | DotHack | how can i cat a file with $vars in it and have the vars fields filed in? |
| 13:35.55 | project2501a | is this what is called "library versioning conflict"? |
| 13:36.37 | wols | project2501a: in a way. what is it you actually want to do? |
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| 13:37.03 | project2501a | installa gcc-4.6 alongside 4.3, by not upgrading from lenny. |
| 13:37.07 | project2501a | using apt-get |
| 13:37.21 | wols | I doubt lenny has 4.6 |
| 13:37.28 | project2501a | no, wheezy does |
| 13:37.52 | wols | and you tried to install wheezy packages? |
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| 13:38.31 | Justin | project2501a: you can only have one version of libc |
| 13:38.34 | wols | you need to backport 4.6 and most probably you will have to edit dependencies to make it work |
| 13:38.53 | wols | Justin: not true. you can have as many as you want. if you should have several is another question |
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| 13:39.10 | themill | project2501a: the problem is that you are mixing releases. |
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| 13:40.03 | wols | project2501a: for example wheezy packages most certainly have dependencies on wheezy libc. however those are mostly for show. only rarely they actually need the wheezy versions. but to make dpkg install it all, you need to edit dependencies before you compile and build your gcc-4.6 deb packages |
| 13:40.07 | abrotman | he's mixing wheezy and lenny? |
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| 13:40.27 | wols | he didn't say it yet, but the smart money says yes |
| 13:40.57 | abrotman | or he's trying |
| 13:43.32 | project2501a | abrotman: i got a bastardized lenny/wheezy thing going on. |
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| 13:44.01 | themill | project2501a: I'm sure all the people over in #debian-mashups would love to support you |
| 13:44.20 | project2501a | hehehe |
| 13:44.49 | project2501a | i am screwing up, i realize that. |
| 13:44.56 | project2501a | so, how do i backport 4.6 on my own? |
| 13:45.04 | project2501a | do i download the source package and recompile? |
| 13:45.36 | themill | project2501a: working in a chroot would be easier. Whether the compiled executable is runnable outside the chroot is another matter, however. |
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| 13:46.20 | project2501a | that is not going to fly very well in a production environment. |
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| 13:46.30 | wols | project2501a: as I said, you get the source, fiddle with the dependencies and compile that |
| 13:46.48 | wols | everything you do here is anatheme to production environment... |
| 13:47.04 | project2501a | the debian source package, you mean? unpack, fiddle, re-package? |
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| 13:47.24 | themill | mixing lenny and wheezy isn't going to fly very well in a production environment either |
| 13:47.34 | wols | just install (don't build), fiddle with depoendencies or it will probably want wheezy libc, the dpkg-buildpackage the mess and pray |
| 13:47.47 | project2501a | *nod* |
| 13:47.47 | wols | but do it on a real lenny. not your frankenlenny |
| 13:47.57 | project2501a | braaaaaaainnssssssss |
| 13:48.03 | project2501a | it's aliiiiiiveeee! |
| 13:48.11 | project2501a | themill: *shrug* it got the work done. |
| 13:48.20 | project2501a | 1.5 million cpu hours in a year |
| 13:49.10 | wols | project2501a: just remember !bobbitt and pray it's not yours that the bossman wants when (not if) it all goes pearshaped |
| 13:49.27 | themill | project2501a: you're not going to backport that very easily. http://paste.debian.net/118039/ I probably wouldn't bother trying. |
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| 13:49.57 | project2501a | themill: i know. i've fucked up the test vm twice so far. |
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| 13:50.13 | bencc | after editing /etc/network/interfaces, what service do I need to restart? |
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| 13:50.27 | project2501a | bencc: all depending on networking |
| 13:50.34 | themill | project2501a: err... you can't break a system by trying to backport something. At most you install some unneeded packages and use a lot of disk space |
| 13:50.40 | wols | themill: what is this udd-cache thing? |
| 13:50.53 | project2501a | themill: i upgraded libc |
| 13:50.55 | themill | wols: something that only exists in themill-land at present |
| 13:50.57 | bencc | project2501a: what do you mean? |
| 13:51.06 | themill | project2501a: backporting is designed to stop you from doing that |
| 13:51.08 | bencc | project2501a: it's installed in a vbox guest using bridge connection |
| 13:51.12 | wols | plots a themill-land invasion |
| 13:51.21 | project2501a | themill: and libstdc++ . brought ssh down. |
| 13:51.31 | bencc | project2501a: iface eth0 inet static |
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| 13:51.45 | themill | !pal project2501a |
| 13:51.47 | dpkg | points at project2501a and laughs hysterically |
| 13:51.47 | project2501a | not a pretty site. maybe i should just f***ing upgrade lsf and get this over with. |
| 13:51.51 | project2501a | :P |
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| 13:52.04 | project2501a | rtfms on udd-cache |
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| 13:52.40 | project2501a | themill: what is udd-cache? |
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| 13:53.37 | themill | wols, project2501a: I've abstracted judd's packaging functions into a python library and and have been developing some new things against that library. Once finished (they're not yet) they can be exposed through judd. |
| 13:53.54 | project2501a | googles what judd is |
| 13:54.01 | themill | !judd |
| 13:54.02 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname". See also <source judd> <judd-packages> <judd-hardware>. |
| 13:54.02 | wols | project2501a: the bot here |
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| 13:54.35 | project2501a | oh. ok :) |
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| 13:56.32 | project2501a | themill: can you code me a util that takes in the packges from each debian release and makes a pretty timeline pic out of it? optionally, it should find any other programs you got on your machine and would put a big exclamation mark next to versions of debian packages which screw up the already installed software stack on your machine. |
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| 13:56.58 | _Sam-- | hi, im running squeeze / AMD64 and Linux artserver 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux, and have a couple nfs servers. im having the same problem as is being listed as a bug here in comment #5. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/540637 |
| 13:57.14 | wols | themill: while you're at it, give me a pony too |
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| 13:57.40 | project2501a | dude, it's not fair making fun of my programming skills :P |
| 13:57.46 | themill | !nopony wols, project2501a |
| 13:57.46 | dpkg | wols, project2501a: http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
| 13:57.59 | m3asmi | /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server: command not found !!! |
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| 13:58.08 | project2501a | if i knew how to code a graph and how to represent solutions for the graph, i would code it myself. |
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| 13:59.07 | m3asmi | /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server: command not found !!! |
| 13:59.17 | project2501a | m3asmi: thanks for telling us |
| 13:59.32 | wols | m3asmi: but by now we know it, so you can stop telling it |
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| 14:00.11 | m3asmi | so what I 'am going to do ?§ |
| 14:00.19 | themill | what are you trying to do? |
| 14:00.28 | jelly | m3asmi: you're going to apt-cache search dhcp server and install the new one |
| 14:00.43 | project2501a | and you will like it! |
| 14:01.03 | m3asmi | jelly: I have the latest one version :p |
| 14:01.22 | jelly | m3asmi: dpkg -l libc6 dhcp3-server |tail -2 ? |
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| 14:02.50 | m3asmi | jelly:ii dhcp3-server 4.1.1-P1-15ubuntu9 ISC DHCP server (transitional package) |
| 14:02.50 | m3asmi | ii libc6 2.13-0ubuntu13 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 14:03.29 | babilen | m3asmi: I guess you want #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server |
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| 14:04.32 | Bushmills | babilen: add a few exclamation marks, he seems to need those: "...dhcp3-server: command not found !!!" |
| 14:04.53 | jelly | m3asmi: yeah. Unfortunately that's not Debian and we can't tell what Ubuntu has changed in their packaging |
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| 14:09.58 | Bushmills | project2501a: look at the dot program of the graphviz package |
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| 14:11.21 | Bushmills | used in debtree which has some aspects of what you want to do |
| 14:12.32 | project2501a | Bushmills: thanks man. i just want to provide the dumbkoffen management with a beautiful graph, interactive if possible, that shows that their choices are wrong (ie, keeping the os stable) |
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| 14:12.58 | project2501a | now if this can also be applied to redhat and show that for an academic institution choosing redhat is the wrong way to go, so be it. |
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| 14:13.33 | Bushmills | the graphs look like this example: http://deps.scarydevilmonastery.net/debtree.svg |
| 14:13.38 | dvs | not even Fedora? |
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| 14:17.18 | Bushmills | look for a package with conflicts of version of other packages, and pick the corresponding graph from http://deps.scarydevilmonastery.net to get an idea how that's represented |
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| 14:32.56 | _Sam-- | hi, im running squeeze / AMD64 -- Linux artserver 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux -- and have a couple nfs servers. im having the same problem as is being listed as a bug here in comment #5. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/540637 If anyone has any ideas , it'd be most appreciated |
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| 14:34.14 | _Sam-- | (and same exact problem as comment #6) |
| 14:34.23 | wols | _Sam--: if it's really the same what is described there, change the boot order for portmapper and nfs server |
| 14:35.02 | nikhatzi | hello people. i installed latest debian yesterday on my laptop which has an ipw2200 wifi card... the thing is that even though debian connects to the router, in reality it's not... (the network manager indicates that it's being connected) any idea? |
| 14:35.28 | wols | nikhatzi: have you installed the firmware the wlan card needs? |
| 14:35.30 | _Sam-- | thanks. i was just wondering if a newer kernel might fix it, or if there is a similar bug report for debian. |
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| 14:35.46 | nikhatzi | wols, yes. firmware-ipw2x00 from non-free repository |
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| 14:35.58 | wols | nikhatzi: then check your kernel log for additional messages |
| 14:36.17 | nikhatzi | wols, done that too. i get a message "No IPv6 router present" |
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| 14:37.09 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 14:37.10 | dvs | nikhatzi: Did you install the firmware-ipw2x00 package? |
| 14:37.21 | nikhatzi | dvs, just said that i did. yes :) |
| 14:37.32 | Justin | nikhatzi: you most likely don't have an ipv6 router, so that is not surprisinv |
| 14:37.40 | Nebukadneza | this is not directly a debian/linux related question, but, does anybody happen to know whether (and if so: how) it is possible to boot a windows 7 without that loader partition using grub or some other bootloader? |
| 14:37.42 | wols | !tell nikhatzi about noipv6 |
| 14:37.44 | dvs | Zzzzzzzzz |
| 14:37.47 | Raptors | Well grub is dead. Can someone please help me out. I'm try to move from a separate boot partition to a boot partition on my / partition |
| 14:37.59 | nikhatzi | what to do ipv6 router? i have configured the network manager or iv4 static ip |
| 14:38.07 | Justin | nikhatzi: ignore it |
| 14:38.09 | Raptors | I copied all the files to /boot and removed /boot from fstab (commented out) |
| 14:38.14 | wols | Nebukadneza: yes. and now go to a place which cares about windows problems |
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| 14:38.17 | Justin | nikhatzi: you configured a static ip? why? |
| 14:38.19 | nikhatzi | let me try what wols said |
| 14:38.29 | wols | nikhatzi: that's not it. read the factoid |
| 14:38.32 | nikhatzi | Justin, i have static ip configured for my lan |
| 14:38.46 | Raptors | I also grub-installed and grub-update(d) but when I restarted and changed my drive grub popped up and said file not found :/ |
| 14:39.00 | Nebukadneza | wols: was worth a try :) |
| 14:39.04 | wols | Raptors: you need to reinstall grub when you moved its files from its partition |
| 14:39.23 | karlpinc_ | Raptors: Grub1 or 2? Either way you probably need to re-install grub in the mbr. Installing it is what sets which partition it looks in for /boot stuff. |
| 14:39.28 | Raptors | grub2 |
| 14:39.34 | wols | !tell Raptors about fixgrub |
| 14:39.37 | Raptors | I did that |
| 14:39.43 | Raptors | I did grub-install |
| 14:40.06 | Raptors | grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/debian/ /dev/sdb (after mounting / to /mnt/debian) |
| 14:40.24 | Raptors | http://pastebin.com/ZRJui1Tt |
| 14:40.28 | Raptors | grub.cfg |
| 14:40.29 | wols | Raptors: no you didn't do it. read the factoid again. |
| 14:40.31 | Raptors | it seems to be fine |
| 14:40.44 | wols | Raptors: if you doN't chroot, you were doing it wrong |
| 14:40.48 | eekboom | Short question (hopefully): On Ubuntu motd shows these texts: "9 packages can be updated. 5 updates are security updates". How can I get these numbers on Debian? |
| 14:41.14 | Raptors | wols, you don't need to chroot |
| 14:41.17 | karlpinc_ | Raptors: Is your bios set to boot off the sdb drive? If not then you installed it in the wrong place. (I think.) |
| 14:41.25 | Raptors | yes |
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| 14:41.38 | Raptors | I changed it |
| 14:41.56 | dvs | eekboom: That already happens for me in KDE. |
| 14:42.02 | Sw33NY | hi all |
| 14:43.55 | Raptors | http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-restore-grub-2-after-reinstalling-windows-xpvistawin7 |
| 14:43.56 | eekboom | dvs: I am on a text based server here only. |
| 14:43.58 | Raptors | I followed that |
| 14:44.16 | Raptors | but I was actually in my debian system |
| 14:44.22 | Raptors | not in live cd |
| 14:44.31 | eekboom | Surely there must be a command to query the number missing (security) updates? |
| 14:45.13 | dvs | eekboom: aptitude update? I see a number at the end of the output in square brackets ([+5] for example) |
| 14:45.29 | wols | eekboom: check what ubuntu uses to create their motd then |
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| 14:46.37 | karlpinc_ | Raptors: If you didn't chroot and run update-grub then how do you know you've got the right stuff in your grub config? I'm not up on grub2 and what goes where but it could be that you can't just copy the config file and expect it to work. |
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| 14:47.11 | Raptors | karl, because I read it |
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| 14:47.20 | wols | karlpinc_: relax. he knows chroot isn't necessary. didn't you read? |
| 14:47.21 | Raptors | http://pastebin.com/ZRJui1Tt |
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| 14:48.01 | Raptors | All that seems right... idk why it's not booting. :| |
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| 14:49.40 | karlpinc_ | eekboom: aptitdue search '~U' shows packages needing updating. You can further qualify that I'm sure but you have to read the aptitude docs in their html glory. |
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| 14:51.41 | eekboom | karlpin: Thanks. That gives me a pointer. Currently studying the docs... |
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| 14:53.14 | cutout | hi, how can I know what is the link to my sh? |
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| 14:53.32 | cutout | am running a shell script and am getting an error on an array |
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| 14:54.08 | cutout | the error says "unexpected "("" |
| 14:54.35 | cutout | after reasearching it seams that my sh link does not point to /bin/bash |
| 14:54.41 | abrotman | cutout: readlink /bin/sh ? |
| 14:54.48 | babilen | cutout: Are you writing a bash script but use "#!/bin/sh" as shebang? If so, just use "#!/bin/bash" |
| 14:54.51 | abrotman | cutout: you probably have a bashism |
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| 14:55.34 | babilen | cutout: Or refrain from using bash specific things (aka bashisms) -- checkbashisms might come in handy to hunt them down |
| 14:55.41 | cutout | babilen: I think you are right |
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| 14:57.32 | eekboom | Ooookay, making progress. This gives me the number of packages that are out-of date: |
| 14:57.40 | eekboom | apt-get -suqq dist-upgrade | grep "^Inst " | wc -l |
| 14:57.52 | eekboom | Now how to count _security_ updates only? |
| 14:58.01 | themill | eekboom: how about "aptitude search ~U" |
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| 14:58.51 | eekboom | Hm, is it safe to run both aptitue and apt-get? (Read something about better not using both) |
| 14:58.59 | babilen | eekboom: Are you running squeeze (i.e. stable) ? |
| 14:59.03 | eekboom | yes |
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| 14:59.35 | babilen | eekboom: Yes, it is perfectly safe. In particular if you use aptitude for searching only, but installing/removing is just fine too |
| 15:00.28 | babilen | eekboom: All package upgrades are therefore either security related or fix critical bugs. "aptitude search '~U'" will list all applicable (i.e. upgradable) packages |
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| 15:02.20 | eekboom | Ok, so a single number is probably fine with me. |
| 15:02.59 | karlpinc_ | eekboom: But, again, if you want just security updates you can tell aptitude to restrict it's search to a particular repo -- or something like that. But you have to RTFM. |
| 15:03.30 | eekboom | This is a little strange: |
| 15:03.30 | eekboom | aptitude search ~U | wc -l => 73 |
| 15:03.30 | eekboom | apt-get -suqq dist-upgrade | grep "^Inst " | wc -l => 74 |
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| 15:05.27 | babilen | eekboom: I guess that the former contains packages that are not currently installed |
| 15:05.32 | narcarsiss | Your account only has ftp access to babel.its.utas.edu.au. i get that error when using putty anyone know how to help |
| 15:06.01 | babilen | narcarsiss: Looks as if you are only allowed to use FTP and not SSH |
| 15:06.03 | themill | narcarsiss: that sounds a lot like you need to talk to your ITS helpdesk |
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| 15:07.31 | narcarsiss | small problem i have an assigment due at 3 tomorrow and it's 107am now? the thing is win 7 died about an hour ago and i have to use the office pc (debian) to access the vpn. im connected and in windows putty works but in linux not so |
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| 15:11.06 | narcarsiss | Fatal: unable to initialise SFTP: could not connect psftp> connection died thats with sftp |
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| 15:11.43 | petemc | narcarsiss: are you trying to use a vpn or use sftp ? |
| 15:11.54 | chrissbx | Hello. Each time I need to create a bootable usb stick (3rd time now), it feels more painful. I've already instinctively tried to defer the matter, and in fact I'm now running into it as bad as ever: spent an hour and still don't know how, again. |
| 15:11.57 | narcarsiss | you have to connect uning the vpn |
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| 15:12.06 | narcarsiss | *using |
| 15:12.06 | chrissbx | (Somehow I also lost my notes from last time...) |
| 15:12.17 | petemc | where does sftp come into it? |
| 15:12.37 | narcarsiss | i tried it cause of putty giving me the ftp error |
| 15:12.54 | babilen | chrissbx: What do you want to use it for? |
| 15:13.00 | chrissbx | Pain 1: Ubuntu just won't tell. Pain 2: "startup disk creator" in ubuntu seems to actually be called usb-creator; |
| 15:13.05 | chrissbx | pain 3: it doesn't exist in Debian |
| 15:13.16 | chrissbx | pain 4: there are like a dozen technical ways |
| 15:13.29 | chrissbx | pain 5: isolinux or syslinux? |
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| 15:13.52 | chrissbx | pain 6: ubuntu cd comes with a dir called isolinux. Where's isolinux for Debian? |
| 15:14.13 | chrissbx | pain 7: man syslinux just confuses the hell out of me. |
| 15:14.16 | chrissbx | So fuck. |
| 15:14.27 | chrissbx | WTH can't this be easier. |
| 15:14.30 | abrotman | pain 8: some guy named chrissbx has poor IRC etiquette |
| 15:14.37 | abrotman | pain 9: I can't spell |
| 15:14.52 | themill | dpkg: tell chrissbx about ranting |
| 15:15.03 | abrotman | chrissbx: have you read the installation manual about how to install from a usb stick? it's pretty easy |
| 15:15.14 | themill | chrissbx: you might like to actually tell us what you're trying to do and ask a question. /msg dpkg ask |
| 15:15.14 | chrissbx | which installation manual? |
| 15:15.18 | abrotman | chrissbx: are oyu trying to install Debian or Ubuntu ? |
| 15:15.22 | chrissbx | Boot Ubuntu. |
| 15:15.29 | abrotman | then why are you asking us? |
| 15:15.35 | chrissbx | Because I'm running Debian. |
| 15:15.47 | chrissbx | I need to write a Ubunto iso from a Debian machine. |
| 15:15.47 | abrotman | if you want to boot Ubuntu, ask #ubuntu how to do it |
| 15:15.54 | abrotman | if you want to boot Ubuntu, ask #ubuntu how to do it |
| 15:15.56 | chrissbx | I'm on Debian, so? |
| 15:16.16 | themill | chrissbx: we have no idea how their installer wants to be written the a usb stick. Please ask them |
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| 15:16.47 | babilen | chrissbx: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:17.27 | abrotman | apparently .. /j #ubuntu, and he's failing |
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| 15:18.32 | chrissbx | abrotman: what? |
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| 15:19.42 | babilen | chrissbx: Please join the ubuntu channel (/join #ubuntu) and ask them how to create a bootable ubuntu installer usb drive |
| 15:20.00 | cutout | Hi, what does this warning mean? update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/ossim-server missing LSB information |
| 15:20.01 | chrissbx | I did, already got the answer. |
| 15:20.20 | cutout | btw thanks babilan for the hint on the shell script |
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| 15:20.41 | babilen | !tell cutout -about missing lsb tags |
| 15:20.50 | babilen | cutout: Also take a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 15:20.59 | cutout | OK |
| 15:21.03 | cutout | Thanks |
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| 15:25.30 | nvictor | hey |
| 15:25.35 | chrissbx | abrotman: why did you say "I can't spell"? |
| 15:25.38 | nvictor | the gnome terminal, is it bash? |
| 15:25.57 | tharkun | chrissbx: if you had your answer. There is no use in looking for trouble. |
| 15:26.19 | daemonkeeper | nvictor: This is an unrelated question. You perhaps mean the terminal emulator which executes the shell (i.e. bash) |
| 15:26.51 | abrotman | chrissbx: i thought i had misspelled etiquette |
| 15:26.53 | chrissbx | Hum, I'm not looking for trouble. I was put off a bit by his or her answer, but I'd like to know; |
| 15:27.12 | chrissbx | (after all I'm not an english native speaker) |
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| 15:28.04 | tharkun | chrissbx: neither i am but we could say that abrotman's personality has an abrassive facet which sometimes flourishes on irc |
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| 15:28.23 | nvictor | daemonkeeper: thanks, that's what i needed to know |
| 15:28.23 | tharkun | </offtopic> |
| 15:28.36 | nvictor | daemonkeeper: also, what is a keyring ? |
| 15:28.49 | daemonkeeper | A keyring is a ... keyring? |
| 15:29.01 | nvictor | daemonkeeper: well i don't know what that is |
| 15:29.23 | nvictor | daemonkeeper: some commands ask me for gnome keyring password |
| 15:29.42 | chrissbx | Well, so I admit that I've been ranting. And it might not have perceived as polite, and I've used the f word without that much good reason, so I apologize for that. Anyway, I had reason enough to be upset:), will have to find the right place to channel that energy now. |
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| 15:30.11 | daemonkeeper | nvictor: I don't use Gnome, perhaps this is the Gnome password store. |
| 15:30.23 | chrissbx | I guess I should start by finding out why the usb-creator package porting effort never finished; or, |
| 15:30.42 | nvictor | daemonkeeper: i see, thanks |
| 15:30.43 | chrissbx | if unetbootin is the solution, find out why it "can't be found". |
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| 15:31.12 | lolcat | Hello |
| 15:31.18 | KnightCrawler | hi all |
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| 15:31.46 | KnightCrawler | i would like to know how i can customize debian to develop a new OS ? |
| 15:31.46 | lolcat | How can I figure out what driver my debian is using for my wireless card? And what driver I need? In ubuntu it worked, so I assume there is some linux driver |
| 15:31.59 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: You mean a derivate |
| 15:32.17 | daemonkeeper | Which is most likely not a new "operating system" at all |
| 15:32.18 | KnightCrawler | daemonkeeper: yes |
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| 15:32.34 | wols | lolcat: what does lspci -nn say what pci id your wlan card has? |
| 15:32.38 | themill | dpkg: tell lolcat about which ethernet driver |
| 15:32.39 | tharkun | lolcat: lspci -nn should post you the pciid of your card and you can look that up to fetch the correct driver |
| 15:32.43 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: If you don't know how, you probably shouldn't do. |
| 15:32.52 | KnightCrawler | yes. i want to install things of my choice and change the complete look and feel of the OS i develop from debian |
| 15:32.58 | somiaj | lolcat: dmesg usually tells what driver picked up the card. |
| 15:32.59 | wols | lolcat: and usually it's not the driver you need but the firmware |
| 15:33.01 | abrotman | tharkun: or perhaps people ask in the wrong place intentionally? |
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| 15:33.05 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: Basic answer is, take Debian, replace all packages you do care about and put it together to a new image. |
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| 15:33.18 | thewanderer1 | KnightCrawler: maybe you just want a customised install CD with some added artwork and default settings? |
| 15:33.27 | daemonkeeper | Indeed |
| 15:33.28 | wols | abrotman: they'd never do something that unethical! |
| 15:33.34 | lolcat | 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02) |
| 15:33.39 | babilen | lolcat: You can actually use "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i network" to see the kernel module in use. Please also give us the PCIID (alphanum thingie in brackets at the end) |
| 15:33.43 | tharkun | abrotman: that is also a good discussion point. Since that was a corner case. Anyway nice to see you around :D |
| 15:33.50 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: Perhaps you may want to take a look into a preseeded installer. |
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| 15:34.03 | wols | !tell lolcat about ipw3945 |
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| 15:34.19 | babilen | lolcat: You need to install firmware-iwlwifi for those to work |
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| 15:34.25 | jaymeproni | nvictor, hi :d |
| 15:34.31 | lolcat | iwl3945 [8086:1021] |
| 15:34.32 | nvictor | :) |
| 15:34.33 | jaymeproni | apt-get update |
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| 15:34.37 | jaymeproni | apt-get upgrade |
| 15:34.40 | nvictor | jaymeproni: yes but i'm not root |
| 15:34.51 | lolcat | babilen: THanks |
| 15:34.53 | jaymeproni | put sudo infront of |
| 15:34.57 | nvictor | jaymeproni: i tried sudo and "the event will be reported" |
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| 15:35.05 | nvictor | incident even :) |
| 15:35.05 | jaymeproni | type su |
| 15:35.13 | wols | !wayttd nvictor |
| 15:35.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, nvictor? |
| 15:35.18 | jaymeproni | enter with root password now |
| 15:35.35 | lolcat | babilen: THat is all? |
| 15:35.45 | KnightCrawler | daemonkeeper: |
| 15:35.51 | jaymeproni | nvictor, wants to install python-django in his machine |
| 15:35.51 | nvictor | jaymeproni: ok it's working |
| 15:35.53 | babilen | lolcat: After you've installed that run "modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg | tail -10" and behold that it is now loading the firmware. You should see the interface in "ifconfig -a" and that it has wireless extensions in "iwconfig" |
| 15:35.58 | jaymeproni | ok |
| 15:36.12 | jaymeproni | nvictor, apt-get updade, apt-get upgrade |
| 15:36.13 | nvictor | wols: hey :) thanks for yesterday |
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| 15:36.24 | nvictor | jaymeproni: i can chain commands right? |
| 15:36.24 | jaymeproni | after that |
| 15:36.28 | KnightCrawler | daemonkeeper: so what i want to do is change the coplete thing in debian like all packages look and feel and othr stuff and then bind it in to a new iso so that ican install it in other computers. how to do that? |
| 15:36.38 | nvictor | jaymeproni: apt-get update & apt-get upgrade? |
| 15:36.58 | wols | nvictor: two && not one |
| 15:37.04 | jaymeproni | :D |
| 15:37.06 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: Learn about Preseeding http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 15:37.09 | nvictor | gotcha |
| 15:37.11 | wols | nvictor: then second command gets run when first was successful |
| 15:37.24 | jaymeproni | wols, got my frag :D |
| 15:37.36 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: Moreover you do /not/ want to change all packages |
| 15:37.38 | nvictor | jaymeproni: ok, now i get pip? |
| 15:37.49 | nvictor | jaymeproni: btw, it's python 2.6.6 |
| 15:37.50 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: he'd also need to add extra packages for the configs, no? |
| 15:37.58 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Possibly |
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| 15:38.25 | lolcat | babilen: Thank you, it works now |
| 15:38.41 | KnightCrawler | i want to remove some packages and install some new packages in it and then make it a new iso? can it be done with preseed? |
| 15:38.46 | lolcat | Thanks to the rest of you too, keep up the good work |
| 15:38.49 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: For building images http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller#Creating_CD |
| 15:38.52 | jaymeproni | nvictor, did you make apt-get update && upgrade? |
| 15:39.03 | nvictor | jaymeproni: still running (upgrade) |
| 15:39.08 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: Put there in (or remove) whatever you want. |
| 15:39.14 | jaymeproni | wait to finish |
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| 15:39.42 | KnightCrawler | daemonkeeper: will that do what all i want to do? |
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| 15:40.18 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: Of course you have to provide your own packages for things not being available in Debian. Those two components allow you to customize whatever is already in Debian. |
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| 15:40.56 | smooki | hi |
| 15:41.07 | jaymeproni | nvictor done? |
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| 15:41.21 | smooki | how can I get the lastest release of Ruby and RoR supported on Debian Secure please ? |
| 15:41.26 | KnightCrawler | daemonkeeper: okay so then if i install new packages will they be there in the new iso? |
| 15:41.32 | nvictor | jaymeproni: nope, unpacking linux image now |
| 15:42.05 | m3asmi | dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! !!! |
| 15:42.10 | stevieman | Is there a site that has a good review of the available email server packages for Debian? I need to make a recommendation on features, server load etc.... |
| 15:42.11 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: You can put together to an image whatever you like |
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| 15:42.40 | jaymeproni | nvictor, when done ... type: apt-cache search <possible package name> |grep main name(ex. django) |more for searching |
| 15:42.42 | themill | m3asmi: you still want to ask #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server, you still want to try asking real questions and you still need to use fewer exclamation marks. |
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| 15:42.58 | KnightCrawler | daemonkeeper: so the 2 things you just gave me are enough to develop something new out of debian. right? |
| 15:42.58 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: For an example see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 15:43.19 | jaymeproni | nvictor, and the type: apt-get install <real package name> <enter> for installing |
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| 15:43.43 | daemonkeeper | KnightCrawler: This is enough to branch Debian, for something /new/ you obviously have to provide your own repository and/or packages. |
| 15:43.56 | jaymeproni | nvictor, I need to go bye bye .. luch time now :D |
| 15:44.07 | nvictor | jaymeproni: oh wait a min |
| 15:44.08 | KnightCrawler | daemonkeeper: okay thankx a lot :) |
| 15:44.16 | nvictor | jaymeproni: after that, how do i get pip? |
| 15:44.31 | daemonkeeper | stevieman: I don't think so, since there are about 9187398137198 combinations and possible set-ups |
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| 15:45.15 | stevieman | daemonkeeper: yah that's the problem. I was hoping there was a site that had the top ten or something like that |
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| 15:45.36 | m3asmi | themill: they don't help me :( |
| 15:46.06 | themill | m3asmi: that's probably because you don't actually ask a question or indicate that you have even tried to investigate this problem. |
| 15:46.22 | daemonkeeper | stevieman: Its not about the daemons but the combinations which make mail server complicated. |
| 15:46.33 | wols | !tell m3asmi about they don't know |
| 15:46.48 | wols | m3asmi: unless you actually run debian, we cannot help you |
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| 15:47.13 | m3asmi | wols: ubuntu is a debian too |
| 15:47.21 | daemonkeeper | !based on debian |
| 15:47.21 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:47.35 | nvictor | ok jaymeproni is prolly gone |
| 15:47.44 | nvictor | how do i reset my root password? |
| 15:47.46 | stevieman | daemonkeeper: yep, but I'm looking for a daemon review, what features they offer etc, Postfix has webmail, and a ton of add-ons, exim has nothing |
| 15:47.48 | wols | m3asmi: no it's not. trust me we went over this with many people. you're just the latest ignorant who doesn't want to accept it. please go to #ubuntu |
| 15:47.59 | wols | nvictor: you can't. you set a new one |
| 15:47.59 | daemonkeeper | And no, Ubuntu is definitively /not/ Debian. |
| 15:47.59 | nvictor | and can i change my username? and password? |
| 15:48.07 | daemonkeeper | nvictor: usermod, passwd |
| 15:48.12 | nvictor | wols: how do i set a new one? |
| 15:48.22 | wols | nvictor: passwd |
| 15:48.26 | nvictor | ok thanks |
| 15:48.53 | daemonkeeper | stevieman: I don't know about such a site, en.wikipedia sometimes maintains comparison tables. |
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| 15:49.17 | stevieman | daemonkeeper: I'll check and see if they have anything |
| 15:49.24 | daemonkeeper | stevieman: In fact they do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_mail_servers |
| 15:49.24 | wols | stevieman: postfix has no webmail |
| 15:49.32 | daemonkeeper | wols: Wrong |
| 15:49.51 | nvictor | wols: what are the basic commands for "man" :) |
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| 15:49.55 | daemonkeeper | Postfix works with every IMAP compliant web frontend. |
| 15:50.07 | wols | daemonkeeper: so does exim |
| 15:50.12 | nvictor | wols: i just learned q is for exiting the man page |
| 15:50.28 | wols | nvictor: /<term> is for searching |
| 15:50.39 | nvictor | oh just like vim |
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| 15:50.41 | nvictor | awesome |
| 15:50.50 | wols | daemonkeeper: and just cause it works with something, doesn't mean it "has x" |
| 15:51.08 | smooki | how to know the pk versions for a debian secure (not installed here), is there any web site ? |
| 15:51.22 | wols | smooki: "pk versions" ? |
| 15:51.26 | nvictor | daemonkeeper: passwd without any option prompted me to enter a new password, does that go to root? |
| 15:51.43 | somiaj | smooki: you can use apt-cache search/apt-cache show to see what versions are available to install |
| 15:51.46 | themill | smooki: packages.debian.org ? |
| 15:51.48 | wols | nvictor: it changes the password for your current user |
| 15:51.50 | somiaj | smooki: you can also check out packages.debian.org |
| 15:51.55 | smooki | thanks :!!!!! |
| 15:51.56 | daemonkeeper | nvictor: password changes your own password unless denoted otherwise |
| 15:52.02 | nvictor | ok |
| 15:52.06 | nvictor | so i just changed root |
| 15:52.09 | daemonkeeper | *passwd |
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| 15:52.54 | nvictor | oh my, new password is too simple :) |
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| 15:53.32 | nvictor | k done |
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| 15:58.32 | superlinux | hi. I am on xfce (squeeze). keyboard layout panel item does not save the settings at all. what should be done regarding it? |
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| 15:59.09 | nvictor | usermod is only working for root |
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| 16:00.51 | superlinux | nvictor, were you addressing me? |
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| 16:01.16 | nvictor | no but can you help? |
| 16:01.23 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 16:01.25 | nvictor | superlinux: i am trying to change my username |
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| 16:01.42 | superlinux | then you have to setuid it but that will be system wide |
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| 16:02.10 | superlinux | chmod +s /path/to/usermod |
| 16:02.36 | themill | err.... no |
| 16:02.49 | superlinux | themill, i know it's wrong |
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| 16:03.12 | superlinux | but this will make it work |
| 16:03.32 | thewanderer1 | nvictor: only root is supposed to change user names (logins) |
| 16:03.34 | ansgar | For some value of "work". |
| 16:03.48 | nvictor | thewanderer1: yes i gathered that. but the command is not working |
| 16:04.06 | nvictor | thewanderer1: usermod -l -m old_login new_login right? |
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| 16:04.14 | nvictor | it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 16:04.28 | wols | nvictor: cause it doesn't and was actually harmful. simply ignore superlinux |
| 16:04.29 | themill | changing usernames isn't a great idea anyway |
| 16:04.46 | nvictor | themill: really? |
| 16:04.58 | superlinux | create a new one and move to it |
| 16:05.02 | nvictor | themill: my vm came with the same password for root and "user" |
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| 16:05.17 | nvictor | themill: better keep them? |
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| 16:05.24 | nvictor | themill: i changed the passwords though |
| 16:05.38 | wols | nvictor: first you are talking about usernames, now you are talking about passwords. different things |
| 16:05.47 | thewanderer1 | nvictor: if you're using /etc/passwd (which usermod operates on), it's enough to change the entries in /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow and /etc/group |
| 16:05.52 | nvictor | wols: we already did the password part |
| 16:06.06 | themill | thewanderer1: and every other config file on the machine that contains the old username |
| 16:06.15 | nvictor | themill: oh i see |
| 16:06.19 | nvictor | nevermind then |
| 16:06.25 | nvictor | i will keep using the old one |
| 16:06.44 | themill | nvictor: just create a new user with whatever username you want |
| 16:06.55 | thewanderer1 | themill: yeah well, people's usernames don't often appear in configs :P |
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| 16:07.01 | thewanderer1 | (as opposed to daemons' usernames) |
| 16:07.28 | thewanderer1 | I guess it would be enough to make a new user and lock out the old account for safety |
| 16:08.07 | themill | thewanderer1: you reckon? sudo rgrep $USER /etc|wc -l â 107. And then we can talk about config files in $HOME. |
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| 16:10.36 | nvictor | now how do i search for packages? |
| 16:10.40 | nvictor | i need pip |
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| 16:10.58 | brotherSand | howdy all |
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| 16:11.13 | themill | ,info python-pip |
| 16:11.14 | judd | Package python-pip (python, optional) in squeeze/i386: alternative Python package installer. Version: 0.7.2-1; Size: 66.2k; Installed: 324k; Homepage: http://pip.openplans.org/ |
| 16:11.18 | brotherSand | nvictor: are you searching from command line? |
| 16:11.20 | somiaj | nvictor: apt-cache search <string> or packages.debian.org (you can also use aptitude) |
| 16:11.23 | themill | nvictor: ^^ that one? |
| 16:11.36 | nvictor | thanks somiaj |
| 16:12.13 | themill | nvictor: for something as short as "pip" you need to add something to the search terms to narrow down the search |
| 16:13.16 | brotherSand | nvictor: if you know / suspect part of the package name you can do this: apt-cache search --names-only pip |
| 16:13.24 | nvictor | themill: yes, i did python-pip |
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| 16:13.48 | nvictor | brotherSand: ok |
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| 16:16.11 | brotherSand | how does one go about "registering" something for update-alternatives ? |
| 16:16.15 | narcarsiss | i have been developing code in bourne shell at uni but when i run it in debian terminal it throus errors. i have bash installed |
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| 16:16.42 | rhenani | Hello guys i want to know where the configurations of my keyboard because i installed the japanase the leguaje, i can read the japanse character but i want know if i can type?? |
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| 16:17.19 | cutout | Hi, am having this error on broser by apache server You don't have permission to access |
| 16:17.29 | cutout | I tried chown www-data:www-data www |
| 16:17.35 | themill | narcarsiss: you need to use "#!/bin/bash" not "#!/bin/sh" for your shebang line. /msg dpkg bashism |
| 16:17.36 | cutout | but it did not work |
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| 16:17.44 | babilen | nvictor: I would actually suggest another way ... Use virtualenv's (with virtualenvwrapper) for virtual python environments -- The newer versions use distribute and pip. Not sure what you are trying to do, but I found virtualenvs to be a great addition to my toolset. |
| 16:17.54 | stew | cutout: check the error log for a more specific error |
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| 16:18.01 | cutout | OK |
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| 16:18.31 | narcarsiss | themill works a charm bro thankyou. |
| 16:18.34 | koshie | cutout, Maybe you should use -R (for recursive), I'm not sure at all, I will read the man. |
| 16:18.53 | cutout | koshie: I already did |
| 16:19.03 | koshie | cutout, And it don't work too ? |
| 16:19.10 | koshie | So I don't know, sorry. |
| 16:19.15 | stew | brotherSand: with the --install command, you might look at postinst scripts of other packages which do this (in /var/lib/dpkg/info/) |
| 16:19.15 | cutout | no |
| 16:19.41 | stew | cutout: you really shouldn't have www-data owning files unnecessarily |
| 16:20.31 | brotherSand | rhenani, I type on the dvorak keyboard and always set it with "setxkbmap dvorak". I suspect the same can be done for jp. |
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| 16:20.54 | cutout | stew: Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /usr/share/ossim/www/ |
| 16:20.58 | cutout | this is the log |
| 16:21.11 | brotherSand | thanks sterna |
| 16:21.14 | brotherSand | thanks stew |
| 16:21.22 | brotherSand | (dang, tab completion ) |
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| 16:21.40 | stew | cutout: are you trying to get a list of files in /usr/share/ossim/www? or are you expecting some other file in that directory to be displayed? |
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| 16:22.03 | brotherSand | rhenani, check out this site: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Keyboard_layouts |
| 16:22.17 | cutout | stew: it should be displayed there is my php application |
| 16:22.25 | stew | cutout: what is "it"? |
| 16:22.44 | cutout | stew: ossim a network security app |
| 16:23.11 | stew | cutout: what language is that written in? |
| 16:23.22 | cutout | stew: php |
| 16:23.44 | stew | cutout: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed? |
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| 16:24.30 | thewanderer1 | suggests that someone hasn't added index.php to their index file list |
| 16:24.37 | cutout | stew yes |
| 16:24.55 | thewanderer1 | or not enabled the module at all |
| 16:24.57 | wols | cutout: is it enabled too? |
| 16:25.08 | rhenani | brotherSand: I can read the japanase character |
| 16:25.12 | cutout | wols: yes |
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| 16:25.32 | rhenani | brotherSand: but i don't know how to type in japanase how to change the lenguage of my keyboard |
| 16:25.58 | rhenani | brotherSand: I'll continue reading >.>! |
| 16:26.00 | thewanderer1 | cutout: does your URL with /index.php appended work? |
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| 16:26.29 | cutout | thewanderer1: no |
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| 16:26.37 | brotherSand | rhenani, In that case I suggest not flipping the keyboard, because it would be pretty tricky to get it back (well, it will only last for that particular X session) |
| 16:26.59 | stew | cutout: what happens with index.php? |
| 16:27.11 | stew | cutout: does /usr/share/ossim/www/index.php exist? |
| 16:27.15 | brotherSand | rhenani, Quite honestly I never understood how a thousand+ character language is reduced to a keyboard. |
| 16:27.54 | cutout | stew: this is it. it seams the the backup file I got for the app. did not include all of the app. am getting a new one and I'll try |
| 16:27.56 | cutout | thanks all |
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| 16:28.22 | thewanderer1 | brotherSand: who do you think invented the foldable rubber keyboards? only they first had to be the size of football pitches... :] |
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| 16:29.01 | brotherSand | Hahaha |
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| 16:30.02 | Sazpaimon | how would I print a usage line whereby either -a or -b are required, but not both |
| 16:30.20 | Sazpaimon | like, if -a is set, -b is optional and vice-versa |
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| 16:32.23 | thewanderer1 | Sazpaimon: so far, the current trend in GNU manuals is just list all options, but state in the manual page that "this option and -b are mutually exclusive" |
| 16:32.57 | thewanderer1 | you could also leave a short note in --help saying "(excludes -b)" if it's an important fact |
| 16:33.32 | Sazpaimon | thewanderer1, I mean in a short usage line |
| 16:33.37 | brotherSand | thewanderer1, speaking of foldable keyboards: https://jornostore.com/specifications/ |
| 16:33.43 | Sazpaimon | like how [-x] would be printed for an optional argument |
| 16:33.55 | Sazpaimon | and -y would be printed for a required one |
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| 16:34.41 | brotherSand | foldable bluetooth keyboard. With that, and an ssh client on a smart phone I might not really need a laptop anymore. |
| 16:34.50 | thewanderer1 | Sazpaimon: like this: command [-x] -y value |
| 16:35.07 | ironicum | {-a [-b]|-b [-a]} |
| 16:35.27 | Sazpaimon | ironicum, that works, thanks |
| 16:35.29 | thewanderer1 | Sazpaimon: you can also choose to split this in two if -a and -b are mutually exclusive, like: |
| 16:35.30 | thewanderer1 | command -a |
| 16:35.30 | thewanderer1 | command -b |
| 16:35.45 | thewanderer1 | sorry for the spam... that's how vzctl does it, for example |
| 16:36.06 | Sazpaimon | they aren't mutually exclusive |
| 16:36.10 | thewanderer1 | oh, ok |
| 16:36.19 | Sazpaimon | if -a is set -b does something else in regard to -a |
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| 16:36.35 | Sazpaimon | if -b is set without -a, it does something else |
| 16:37.12 | Sazpaimon | they're the same argument name because they do the same thing, but slightly different if one argument is set |
| 16:37.17 | themill | Sazpaimon: an awful lot of documentation just says [options] in the short form now and lets you pick your way through the full text |
| 16:38.12 | thewanderer1 | the best you can do in --help if you have -b which changes depending on -a is: -b do this without -a / do that with -a |
| 16:38.43 | Sazpaimon | i kinda like ironicum's shorthand |
| 16:38.56 | Sazpaimon | it at least makes sense to me |
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| 16:40.02 | thewanderer1 | heh, hope the users are just as understanding :) |
| 16:40.03 | webad13 | I have a "file" in my home folder that is listed by ls -l, but it does not have a name - I can see the size of the file: 122 and it belogns to myusername |
| 16:40.21 | webad13 | how do I delete such a file, and how does it get created |
| 16:40.32 | thewanderer1 | webad13: how does it "not have a name"? |
| 16:40.45 | webad13 | thewanderer1: simply there is no name to it |
| 16:40.49 | webad13 | there is a blank field |
| 16:40.55 | thewanderer1 | maybe it's spaces? :P |
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| 16:41.05 | webad13 | thewanderer1: hmmm |
| 16:41.21 | thewanderer1 | you can always pipe this through | xxd |
| 16:41.37 | thewanderer1 | or write your own little C program that finds strange names and prints their hex dumps |
| 16:41.49 | Justin | for x in *;do echo "[$x]";done |
| 16:42.14 | themill | was going to use find's printf |
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| 16:42.19 | thewanderer1 | oh yeah, that too, besides the fact that copying it might not work... but nice idea |
| 16:42.26 | Justin | for x in *;do echo $x|xxd;done |
| 16:42.45 | themill | Justin: some quotes on that $x would be good |
| 16:42.53 | Justin | not needed |
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| 16:43.39 | Justin | well, maybe in bash.. does bash still do the wrong thing for that? I've been using zsh for so long I forget all the shitty bash bugs |
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| 16:44.13 | webad13 | Justin: nice one... thewanderer1 u were spot on (space it was)... I made a mistake when going to a new line in bash, I did \ but aparently I also made space |
| 16:44.21 | webad13 | so it saved it to a space |
| 16:44.23 | themill | bash and dash would both just "echo | xxd" were x a space character, for example |
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| 16:46.16 | jmarsden | ls -q # shows ? for each funcky char in a filename. ls --quoting-style=escape should help you see what they really are. This is not shell-dependent. |
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| 16:46.33 | swilson06 | curious if anyone has tried to get debootstrap on osx? |
| 16:46.51 | swilson06 | iirc it has been ported to bsd, but i don't see it under fink |
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| 16:47.10 | jelly | swilson06: but what would you bootstrap |
| 16:47.40 | jelly | thinks debootstrap properly works on Debian only, sigh |
| 16:48.03 | jelly | had a spot of trouble making it work on RHEL5 |
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| 16:48.25 | jaymeproni | back |
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| 16:49.24 | jaymeproni | nvictor Did you get it? |
| 16:49.31 | swilson06 | hummm. i was thinking that i might have issues with mountpoints, but didn't think i'd have issues getting the utility.... sucks |
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| 16:50.07 | Justin | swilson06: it's trivial to run a linux vm on OS X |
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| 16:50.51 | superlinux | hi. every time a switch my usb KVM, I loose my keyboard layout settings abbnormally!! |
| 16:50.56 | webad13 | jmarsden: ls -q shows ? , I just created a file that has only space in its name and I didn't get ? whan I run ls -q... ls --quouting-stype=escape does work actually |
| 16:51.02 | swilson06 | yeah, i just wanted to create bootable thumb drives without needing to do vbox -> usb pass through -> debian.... |
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| 16:51.48 | superlinux | I switch to the other PC, then go back to this current one, and the layout settings are lost! I just donno why? |
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| 16:53.30 | nvictor | jaymeproni: yes |
| 16:53.43 | nvictor | how do i upgrade vim from 7.2 to 7.3? |
| 16:53.54 | Justin | superlinux: possibly it is getting a hotplug event of sorts from the input device, thinking you have connected a new keyboard |
| 16:54.20 | themill | dpkg: tell nvictor about stable |
| 16:54.22 | superlinux | Justin, so what!? that should be independent! |
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| 16:55.16 | Justin | superlinux: it's probably a bug, but I could see where it could be getting confused |
| 16:55.33 | superlinux | ok. fine, |
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| 16:55.51 | superlinux | so what's your recommended solution? |
| 16:57.09 | Justin | superlinux: hmm, I'd figure out the cli command for changing the x layout.. it's setxkbmap i think |
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| 16:57.47 | Justin | then you can at least force the right layout easily |
| 16:57.54 | superlinux | Justin, still the same issue and case even though i used setxkbmap |
| 16:58.18 | Justin | superlinux: yeah, but you could run something like 'watch -n 5 setxkbmap foo' :) |
| 16:58.22 | nvictor | does that mean that i can't use vim 7.3 because it wasn't introduced in debian packages? |
| 16:58.39 | Justin | I realize that's not a real fix, but it at least will make the problem go away :) |
| 16:58.45 | Justin | judd: versions vim |
| 16:58.46 | judd | Package vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2+b1; wheezy: 2:7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2+b1 |
| 16:59.10 | superlinux | Justin, that's new! |
| 16:59.13 | superlinux | i'll see |
| 16:59.22 | nvictor | judd: i'm using squeeze |
| 16:59.29 | nvictor | judd: can i still get it? |
| 16:59.39 | Justin | nvictor: judd is a bot |
| 16:59.43 | Justin | nvictor: you can check on backports.org |
| 16:59.49 | nvictor | oh ok |
| 16:59.51 | Justin | nvictor: what is so different between 7.2 and 7.3? |
| 17:00.00 | nvictor | set colorcolumn :) |
| 17:00.05 | jelly | Justin: it'd be listed by judd if it was on backports.debian.org |
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| 17:00.55 | jelly | nvictor: you can try backporting the sid package. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:01.03 | Justin | jelly: oh yeah? good to know |
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| 17:06.25 | nvictor | Justin: that sounds complicated, will vim7.3 be backported to squeeze soon? |
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| 17:07.32 | kidk | is there a special channel to discuss bugs ? I think I found one in PHP5.3. Dont know if its a php bug or something specific to debian |
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| 17:08.20 | stew | kidk: you can use the reportbug tool to file a bug in debian's bug tracking system |
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| 17:08.24 | nvictor | Justin: how do i add the source for vim7.3 to sources.list? |
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| 17:08.29 | nvictor | Justin: and which one? |
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| 17:09.14 | daemonkeeper | kidk: Its fair enough to expect the Debian maintainer to judge whether your problem is actually a bug (and/or specific to Debian) |
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| 17:09.38 | kidk | k, I'll try to make a small testscript first |
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| 17:10.33 | crodjer | How do i configure my pc beep? |
| 17:10.35 | crodjer | I have installed the package `beep` which installed the command `beep`, but I still can't change its properties with `xset` |
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| 17:11.16 | jhutchins_lt | crodjer: Why would xset change the properties of beep? What do you really want to do? |
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| 17:12.07 | crodjer | I am trying to get a beep with my irssi |
| 17:12.29 | crodjer | for notifications |
| 17:12.37 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. |
| 17:12.56 | jhutchins_lt | crodjer: Play around with the options for executing beep. |
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| 17:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | crodjer: man beep |
| 17:13.48 | jhutchins_lt | I don't know what the alert options are in irssi. I think there is an #irssi channel, and there are some good web howto pages. |
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| 17:14.30 | stew | why wouldn't xset change the properties of beep? |
| 17:14.31 | crodjer | it seems i had earlier done xset -b in my xsession rc |
| 17:14.51 | crodjer | i'll rs, then I think it should work |
| 17:15.06 | stew | crodjer: -b is bell off, right? |
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| 17:15.09 | crodjer | yeah |
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| 17:15.46 | crodjer | the bell sound is really annoying and irritates with everything using readlines |
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| 17:21.22 | nvictor | hey i'm getting an error when i start gvim |
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| 17:21.36 | nvictor | it seems that root does not have access to x display resources |
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| 17:22.39 | ironicum | try adding a symlink to /home/user/.Xauthority |
| 17:22.52 | ironicum | where user is the one who has access |
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| 17:24.26 | foetus | what is the recommended setting to prevent a package from install ? i've made a few packages by myself and would make secure, that they would not be up- or downgraded by apt.. |
| 17:24.28 | evilbulgarian | hi, what is an easy way to find out what is the bios boot drive from within a livecd? |
| 17:24.34 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 17:24.34 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 17:24.37 | valdyn | foetus: ^^ |
| 17:24.51 | foetus | valdyn: k.:) |
| 17:25.02 | valdyn | !hold |
| 17:25.02 | dpkg | it has been said that hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
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| 17:25.22 | valdyn | foetus: and ^^ |
| 17:25.44 | foetus | valdyn: thanks! |
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| 17:26.48 | foetus | ok. thanks, valdyn. |
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| 17:42.22 | kidk | I cant seem to get php5-dbg working. I keep saying "no debugging symbols found" |
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| 17:42.41 | kidk | how do I use it with dbg ? |
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| 17:43.07 | simonlnu | !dbg |
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| 17:43.15 | simonlnu | !listkeys dbg |
| 17:43.16 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dbg' by key returned no results. |
| 17:43.24 | simonlnu | !listvals dbg |
| 17:43.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dbg' by value returned no results. |
| 17:43.35 | simonlnu | poop |
| 17:43.45 | kidk | :D |
| 17:43.54 | kidk | I tried google |
| 17:44.12 | kidk | but there doesnt seem to be any sort of tutorial and I have no experience with it myself |
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| 17:54.54 | thewanderer1 | kidk: maybe you need to point it to the file which contains the debugging symbols, apart from the debugged binary itself |
| 17:55.00 | twanny796 | how can I state where anonymous can upload files in vsftpd? |
| 17:55.06 | twanny796 | vsftpd.conf |
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| 18:04.33 | sage000 | twanny796: The default dir is /pub, typically. Setting the 'anon_mkdir_write_enable' option to 'YES' allows creation of subdirectories under /pub. |
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| 18:06.09 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to have mailing lists only send you the threads your involved in? |
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| 18:06.49 | petemc | thats not a feature of mailman that im aware of |
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| 18:07.05 | thewanderer1 | it sure is possible... but it would require using a mailing list manager supporting that |
| 18:07.21 | petemc | which mailing list manager supports that feature? |
| 18:07.28 | thewanderer1 | no idea at all :P |
| 18:07.36 | petemc | but you're sure its possible |
| 18:07.43 | thewanderer1 | why wouldn't it be? |
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| 18:07.54 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to post to ML's without subscribing there? |
| 18:08.03 | petemc | depends on the list |
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| 18:08.20 | foetus | i did 'for i in package1 package2 package3..; do echo "$i" hold | dpkg --set-selections; done' -- seems to work. |
| 18:08.24 | thewanderer1 | I guess it's easier to hack the mail client to only show threads you've replied to |
| 18:08.51 | JyZyXEL | the whole You got mail.wav spam gets really old |
| 18:09.09 | thewanderer1 | but... I see a loop here |
| 18:09.12 | foetus | must see the log. |
| 18:09.32 | thewanderer1 | how are you supposed to get involved in any conversation if you're only seeing the ones you're already in? :P |
| 18:09.48 | fanta01 | would it be a bad idea to run debian stable on desktop? |
| 18:09.59 | JyZyXEL | you browse the archive? |
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| 18:10.18 | petemc | that sounds passive |
| 18:10.38 | JyZyXEL | i don't get how people can use this, its gonna fill your mailbox with junk so fast |
| 18:10.59 | petemc | im on dozens of mailing lists |
| 18:11.26 | JyZyXEL | like in the morning you wake up theres 100 mails none of which you care |
| 18:11.31 | petemc | emails arent big, and if you're on a mailing list that allows spam with wav attachments, its a stupidly configured list |
| 18:11.34 | JyZyXEL | because your just in the mailing list to ask your question |
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| 18:11.43 | petemc | you can use digest mode |
| 18:11.47 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: well, shorewall.net is pretty clean, so are LXC, OpenVZ and Debian announcements :P |
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| 18:12.12 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: maybe you should use a bulletin board instead, then? |
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| 18:12.34 | JyZyXEL | should i be using some special email account for ml's? |
| 18:12.45 | JyZyXEL | and a special viewer or something |
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| 18:13.09 | Sazpaimon | when building a package using dpkg-buildpackage, how do I specify the concurrency level, like make -j9 |
| 18:13.29 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: that depends on your needs. I use my mobile phone's client on a tiny screen and I'm fine... but for you, a fancy client which turns the ML into a phpBB-like structure would probably do. |
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| 18:14.11 | thewanderer1 | a few clients can group messages in threads, but you'd have to do some digging to find one that's specially suited for the task |
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| 18:14.29 | JyZyXEL | seems like a tree style view is pretty much what that would mean |
| 18:15.04 | ZitZ | hi, can someone point me to where the default config file is located for stalonetray |
| 18:15.14 | ZitZ | the one that comes with the debian package |
| 18:15.32 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: yeah well, KMail supports that, maybe Thunderbird (Icedove) as well, check it |
| 18:15.48 | JyZyXEL | but i don't get how anyone would want to get an email every time somebody posts to any of the lists |
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| 18:15.56 | sage000 | Sazpaimon: dpkg-buildpackage takes the same -jX option as make. It sets up the MAKEFLAGS env variable, I believe |
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| 18:16.00 | JyZyXEL | especially when you got notify sounds for email |
| 18:16.25 | petemc | JyZyXEL: most people filter mailing list mail |
| 18:16.26 | Sazpaimon | sage000, oh good, it wasn't very clear to me that it was make's equivalent |
| 18:16.39 | JyZyXEL | and then all those hundreds of mailing list mails will be mixed with your regular mail |
| 18:16.42 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: I believe you could turn that off... maybe some client supports per-account notifications, or per-directory |
| 18:17.21 | JyZyXEL | oh i see so you direct ML stuff to a different directory |
| 18:17.22 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: KMail has a neat mail sorter which divides mail into directories as it downloads them, based on your own criteria |
| 18:17.46 | thewanderer1 | I used to use it for ML, but then it broke and I can't be bothered to fix my KDE settings :P |
| 18:18.05 | JyZyXEL | i see, i've never used other than one inbox directory and thats it |
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| 18:18.35 | JyZyXEL | do email url's allow to specify directory? |
| 18:18.50 | petemc | whats an email url? |
| 18:19.03 | JyZyXEL | like user@domain.com |
| 18:19.26 | petemc | no |
| 18:20.01 | petemc | mailing lists have headers, you filter using tho |
| 18:20.09 | petemc | at least, thats what i do |
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| 18:20.32 | sage000 | *coughs*procmail*coughs* |
| 18:20.35 | petemc | of course, all emails have headers, mailing lists have unique headers, is what i should say |
| 18:20.51 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:22.19 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: well, sort of "yes". through the recipient delimiter |
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| 18:26.06 | foetus | have seen the logs, /var/lib/dpkg/status ok, packages are marked as 'hold'-- post-thanks to valdyn ;) |
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| 18:28.23 | JyZyXEL | looks like i might be able to use gmail's filters to put ML stuff in its own directory |
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| 18:28.47 | petemc | label.. |
| 18:30.24 | thewanderer1 | remember to subscribe to murder mailing lists as well to get rid of GMail ads (easter egg) :P |
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| 18:31.03 | vooze | Going to run debian on my server, which image should i choose? |
| 18:31.15 | vooze | (i want a 5-700mb cd) |
| 18:31.25 | bzed | vooze: stable netinst |
| 18:31.29 | bzed | (or micro) |
| 18:31.39 | bzed | maybe with non-free firmware |
| 18:31.47 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if the labels are a unique feature to gmail or if its more standardized thing |
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| 18:32.09 | petemc | labels are gmails way of doing a very common thing |
| 18:32.22 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: I bet they're just using procmail under the hood... :P |
| 18:32.35 | vooze | bzed: the problem is that i currently use 3G on my computer (from mobile) since the internet connection is slow on DSL |
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| 18:32.51 | vooze | bzed: so would be easyer to download a full CD, and install |
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| 18:33.35 | Eulenspiegel69 | how do I rename hundreds of files in a folder from "<filename>" to "<filename>.<extension>" ? |
| 18:34.01 | vooze | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-cd/ there is all this CD1-5x.. which is the "normal" one? |
| 18:34.19 | Eulenspiegel69 | vooze: installation disk is disk #1 |
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| 18:34.38 | thewanderer1 | Eulenspiegel69: you've already got your responses on OFTC, bother to read them first please |
| 18:34.41 | dvs | vooze: or netinst |
| 18:34.42 | ZykoticK9 | Eulenspiegel69, "for file in *; do mv $file $file.EXT; done" might work? |
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| 18:35.11 | Eulenspiegel69 | <thewanderer1>: there was no real help of OFTC, cannot install new software |
| 18:35.18 | Eulenspiegel69 | <ZykoticK9>: thanks |
| 18:36.14 | vooze | thanks all :) |
| 18:36.23 | thewanderer1 | ZykoticK9: without quotes, it'll be a disaster... just saying |
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| 18:36.46 | ZykoticK9 | Eulenspiegel69, see thewanderer1's comment above |
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| 18:37.29 | Eulenspiegel69 | shall I just type it interactively in bash? |
| 18:37.37 | Eulenspiegel69 | without quotes? |
| 18:38.05 | themill | Eulenspiegel69: as for "can't install new software", you'll have rename(1) already installed on a Debian machine. |
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| 18:38.05 | Isaick | Is there a way to show a list of files installed by a debian package? |
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| 18:38.28 | stew | Isaick: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 18:38.32 | ironicum | .. "$file" "$file.EXT" |
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| 18:38.49 | ZykoticK9 | Eulenspiegel69, for file in "*"; do mv $file $file.EXT; done ( thewanderer1 does this solve quote issue?) |
| 18:39.19 | Isaick | stew: Thanks |
| 18:39.32 | thewanderer1 | ZykoticK9: no, whatever ironicum said |
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| 18:40.39 | Eulenspiegel69 | for file in *; do mv "$file" "$file.EXT"; done # like this? |
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| 18:41.00 | nvictor | i need to setup postgresql |
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| 18:41.09 | nvictor | what package do i need to get? |
| 18:41.15 | twobitsprite | what user does pam stuff run as? I'm setting up pam_ldap with TLS and I need to know what user/group to set the private key to |
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| 18:41.40 | xuser | nvictor: postgresql |
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| 18:42.10 | nvictor | xuser: i did a apt-cache search postgresql and there's a lot of them |
| 18:42.13 | stew | Eulenspiegel69: rename 's/$/.ext/' * |
| 18:42.17 | twobitsprite | I imagine root, but I'm not sure if it's a jailed service or just a library which is used by things like sshd... |
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| 18:42.38 | thewanderer1 | twobitsprite: no, PAM is not a daemon - it's a library called by programs, and they usually don't setuid() before |
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| 18:42.49 | ironicum | Eulenspiegel69: for file in *; do mv "$file" "$file.EXT"; done |
| 18:43.32 | Eulenspiegel69 | so the 'file' after 'for' not double quoted? |
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| 18:43.47 | nvictor | xuser: nvm |
| 18:43.55 | ironicum | Eulenspiegel: yes |
| 18:44.46 | Eulenspiegel69 | <ironicum>, <thewanderer1>, <ZykoticK9>: thanks, renaming worked |
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| 18:46.58 | pyrophelia | what's the name of the package that will ban a ssh user if they enter the wrong password more than 5 times? |
| 18:47.31 | stew | pyrophelia: fail2ban is one |
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| 18:47.57 | stew | denyhosts is another |
| 18:47.59 | pyrophelia | ah that's what I was looking for, thanks |
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| 18:48.15 | pyrophelia | fail2ban was the one I use most. I just couldn't remember the name. building a new box and I couldn't remember the name |
| 18:48.16 | pyrophelia | thanks guys |
| 18:49.28 | buhman | I want to modify /boot/grub/grub.cfg (I want not-silent and I want to toss in something like vga=788) |
| 18:49.42 | buhman | but when I open it in vim it appears to be read-only |
| 18:49.49 | buhman | how am I supposed to do this operation? |
| 18:50.21 | dawud | buhman: edition occurs in /etc/grub.d |
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| 18:51.04 | thewanderer1 | buhman: first, you need to do that as root; second, you should edit /etc/default/grub instead. grub.cfg will be overwritten by dpkg (what a meanie, that! :P ) |
| 18:51.07 | dawud | buhman: run update-grub2 afterwards |
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| 18:51.51 | thewanderer1 | umm, touching /etc/grub.d sounds like a bad idea, but yes - need to run update-grub2 after editing /etc/default/grub |
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| 18:52.20 | buhman | thewanderer1: as root is was read-only |
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| 18:53.23 | twobitsprite | thewanderer1: so, setting the key readable by root (because sshd runs as root) should be sufficient, right? |
| 18:53.38 | thewanderer1 | buhman: maybe you've mounted /boot as read-only... remount it as rw |
| 18:54.10 | buhman | thewanderer1: sure |
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| 18:54.37 | thewanderer1 | twobitsprite: as far as I know, sshd has CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH while running as root, so you don't need to change anything - unless you told it to drop permissions |
| 18:55.00 | thewanderer1 | (that is: sshd can always read the key no matter what) |
| 18:55.38 | twobitsprite | thewanderer1: cool... but what about things like ldapsearch, etc, by users? wouldn't that need to read the ldap key? or should I ask in #openldap? |
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| 18:55.59 | msa | hey |
| 18:56.27 | thewanderer1 | twobitsprite: you mean LDAP in PAM, or NSS? they are two separate things |
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| 18:56.50 | foofoobar | Hi |
| 18:57.06 | msa | there is a backported version of kernel 2.6.38 to Debian Squeeze. But gnome-power-manager cannot show remaining battery time only percentage |
| 18:57.15 | msa | do you know, how I can solve this? |
| 18:57.32 | foofoobar | I have an apache which give me access to some images over the web. In a folder I have a few .jpg files. All have the same rights. Some of them are accessible via web, the other just return a 404 |
| 18:58.28 | thewanderer1 | foofoobar: refresh the browser / delete the cache? O.o |
| 18:58.42 | stew | foofoobar: if it were a rights problem it would be 403 instead of 404. 404 is "not found", make sure you have the filenames correct |
| 18:58.57 | foofoobar | thewanderer1, the access-log also tells me that it returned a 404 to my browser |
| 18:59.09 | thewanderer1 | foofoobar: so yeah, whatever stew said :P |
| 18:59.12 | mutante | foofoobar: no spaces in filenames, like when copied from windows box or something? |
| 18:59.23 | rypervenche | msa: I installed the bpo kernel too, and I had problems with certain things like virtualbox and computertemp, ndiswrapper too. |
| 18:59.24 | foofoobar | mutante, no, just a normal name like the others |
| 18:59.30 | thewanderer1 | spaces are fine, but you have to pay attention to LeTtEr CaSe |
| 18:59.32 | rypervenche | msa: I went back to stable :/ |
| 18:59.42 | foofoobar | stew, thewanderer1 I know. the case is all lower case. |
| 19:00.06 | stew | foofoobar: check the error log and make sure it is looking for the file you think it should be looking for |
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| 19:00.56 | msa | rypervenche: ok. It works with 2.6.34, but there has been some change from 2.6.35 |
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| 19:01.02 | mutante | how about trying to get it with wget or curl instead of the browser |
| 19:01.51 | nvictor | i am getting |
| 19:02.20 | nvictor | <user> us not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported. all the time |
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| 19:02.35 | mutante | nvictor: visudo |
| 19:03.10 | nvictor | mutante: no no, my point is not to change the intended behaviour |
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| 19:03.26 | nvictor | mutante: i wanted to know whether i'm doing anything wrong |
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| 19:03.38 | nvictor | mutante: as a user i can't install any package |
| 19:03.46 | ZykoticK9 | nvictor, if you add the user to the sudo group, sudo will work, and you won't get the error... |
| 19:03.59 | mutante | nvictor: either you want a user to be a sudoer, or you dont? |
| 19:04.14 | nvictor | mutante: i don't know |
| 19:04.16 | mutante | nvictor: of course it does not mean you have to use "ALL ALL"... |
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| 19:04.25 | mutante | you can just allow a few specific commands |
| 19:04.58 | nvictor | mutante: so you mean my user is being too limited? |
| 19:05.05 | mutante | nvictor: its your choice |
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| 19:05.10 | nvictor | mutante: and it shouldn't be the case? |
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| 19:05.16 | nvictor | mutante: well, not really :) |
| 19:05.19 | vooze | I'm currently install debian6 on my server, which netinstall cd.. During install i need to choose which packages i want.. How can i choose only SSH (non graphical) ?? |
| 19:05.25 | nvictor | mutante: it was all setup with the VM |
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| 19:05.31 | nvictor | mutante: what is usually done? |
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| 19:06.12 | vooze | wrong went wrong before.. let me try again: |
| 19:06.13 | mutante | nvictor: usually you have a root user but dont use it to do any work, and you have a regular user "nvictor" or something, who has sudo ALL, because you are the admin of your own box |
| 19:06.23 | vooze | I'm currently install debian6 on my server, which netinstall cd.. During install i need to choose which packages i want.. How can i choose only SSH (non graphical) ?? |
| 19:06.25 | nvictor | mutante: oh i see |
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| 19:06.29 | nvictor | mutante: ok thanks |
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| 19:06.56 | plastech | Is it normal for "sudo shutdown now" to simply exit into single user mode? No, right? |
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| 19:07.16 | mutante | plastech: compare to: shutdown -h now |
| 19:07.49 | mutante | nvictor: np |
| 19:07.50 | plastech | mutante, Ahhhh |
| 19:08.00 | karlpinc_ | vooze: You just don't choose to install anything but "standard" packages when the installer asks. |
| 19:08.20 | karlpinc_ | vooze: (If you don't pick "desktop" you don't get a gui.) |
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| 19:08.39 | vooze | karlpinc_: yeah, but what key do i need to "unmark" ? |
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| 19:09.07 | ZykoticK9 | vooze, "desktop environment" or something similar to that wording |
| 19:09.11 | karlpinc_ | vooze: I'd unmark everything but "standard". |
| 19:09.29 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc_, +1 |
| 19:09.41 | mutante | nvictor: there is also "sudo su -" |
| 19:09.43 | vooze | yeah i know, but what KEY do i need to press to unmark it ;) |
| 19:09.55 | vooze | when i press enter, i just continues to install |
| 19:09.59 | mutante | nvictor: if you want to be the real root for a while |
| 19:10.00 | karlpinc_ | vooze: Ah. You read the bottom of the screen. It's the space bar. |
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| 19:10.43 | vooze | karlpinc_: ah thanks.. i must be blind ;) |
| 19:11.04 | karlpinc_ | vooze: Common condition. ;-) |
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| 19:12.07 | karlpinc_ | mutante, nvictor : Or just "su" (which is the same as "su -" these days.) |
| 19:12.34 | mutante | but then he needs to type the actual root password and know it |
| 19:12.53 | mutante | in the other case he needs to type his own user password |
| 19:13.00 | karlpinc_ | mutante: True. But that's more secure than using sudo because then a cracker must also know the root password. |
| 19:13.45 | mutante | hmm..agreed |
| 19:14.08 | mutante | ubuntu pushed sudo usage :p |
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| 19:14.55 | cwillu_at_work | sorry, did somebody just say that su was more secure than sudo because you had to know the root password? |
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| 19:15.23 | superlinux | Justin, hi. I hope you're present. |
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| 19:16.04 | superlinux | Justin, your solution did not work. I have just tried it. |
| 19:16.50 | superlinux | Justin, your "watch" solution did not work. I have just tried it. |
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| 19:17.09 | Justin | superlinux: oh? |
| 19:17.12 | Justin | superlinux: why not? |
| 19:17.37 | superlinux | Justin, it just did not |
| 19:17.58 | Justin | superlinux: what did you run? |
| 19:18.00 | superlinux | as you said the udev and hotplug has an effect |
| 19:18.13 | Justin | cwillu_at_work: asuming that one enabled sudo for a user for ALL commands, su is more secure than sudo |
| 19:18.44 | superlinux | watch -pn 2 setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "us,ar" & |
| 19:19.02 | stew | at the point when an attacker has a user account, you've already lost. its safe to assume there is always some way for a malicious local user to escalate privileges |
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| 19:19.19 | superlinux | Justin, i was about to post this solution on the forum linuxac.org |
| 19:19.30 | bman | duuit |
| 19:20.06 | Justin | superlinux: watch doesn't like being ran in the background like that |
| 19:20.16 | superlinux | mm ok |
| 19:20.29 | superlinux | look ! i'll try it not bg |
| 19:20.36 | superlinux | i'll make it fg |
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| 19:21.15 | superlinux | makes watch forground and switches the KVM |
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| 19:22.20 | superlinux | Justin, is cron ok? |
| 19:22.26 | cwillu_at_work | stew, indeed. and from an mitigation standpoint, it can go either way depending on policies and what sort of access the attacker managed |
| 19:22.33 | Justin | superlinux: no |
| 19:22.39 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 19:22.45 | Justin | superlinux: though it might work if you add DISPLAY=:0 at the front |
| 19:22.57 | superlinux | Oh yes! |
| 19:23.17 | superlinux | look without "&" it was fine |
| 19:23.22 | superlinux | and is great |
| 19:23.35 | superlinux | but I need to save it |
| 19:23.43 | superlinux | but I need to save it forever now |
| 19:23.49 | Justin | you need a real fix heh |
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| 19:26.39 | karlpinc_ | mutante: Sudo is a "nice" way to force a log that identifies an actual account (hopefully a person) rather than a generic login. (And of course it can be used in other ways, but that's why Ubuntu does it.) Debian let's it's users make their own choices. |
| 19:26.56 | vooze | How do i check which internal-IP my server have gotten (192.168.1.XXX) ? |
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| 19:28.21 | vooze_ | Sorry for going offline, but let me ask again |
| 19:28.21 | karlpinc_ | vooze: ip addr |
| 19:28.27 | vooze_ | ah thanks |
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| 19:28.48 | karlpinc_ | vooze: (You might find "ifconfig" more portable.) |
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| 19:29.10 | vooze_ | just needed the IP, so ip addr was fine ;) but thanks alot |
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| 19:29.44 | superlinux | Justin, thanks mate. I forgot to thank you |
| 19:29.46 | superlinux | bye |
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| 19:32.16 | DelphiWorld | hey friends |
| 19:32.24 | DelphiWorld | i have a problem connecting to my sshd through sftp/scp |
| 19:32.33 | treitter | I'm running unstable with some experimental packages (including Gnome 3). Recently, the NetworkManager applet stopped showing any wireless networks (Wired and Wireless both just list "invalid"). It successfully connects to my home wireless network and wired connections are fine. iwlist shows all the wireless networks in the area, and I can manually connect to them with wpa_supplicant |
| 19:32.44 | DelphiWorld | uname -a: Linux Kamailio 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed May 18 07:08:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:32.48 | treitter | have there been any recent changes that could have caused this broken behavior? |
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| 19:33.07 | DelphiWorld | if i sftp to it, i got connected |
| 19:33.16 | DelphiWorld | but if i go up to "..", they get locked up the session |
| 19:33.20 | DelphiWorld | any help is welcome. |
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| 19:34.39 | vooze_ | Last question for today i think :D Can i though ifconfig/ip addr choose the IP i want to have?? (the internal ip) |
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| 19:35.01 | stew | treitter: have you checked the bts? |
| 19:35.09 | jon8 | anyone have any idea when cryptsetup package will allow for multithreading encryption using luks? |
| 19:35.15 | Justin | vooze_: not a good idea to do that |
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| 19:35.33 | DelphiWorld | sory. |
| 19:35.35 | Justin | jon8: doesn't the kernel do the encryption? |
| 19:35.38 | DelphiWorld | they was my crazy firewall |
| 19:35.49 | ajikeshi_ | could someone point me in the right direction for my problem.. i want to disable network access on a per application basis |
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| 19:36.20 | vooze_ | Justin: its because i use debian on my server though SSH, and i dont want the IP to switch |
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| 19:37.02 | Justin | vooze_: fix your dhcp configuration to assign the same IP everytime |
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| 19:37.34 | vooze_ | Justin: is that possible in /etc/networks ? |
| 19:37.46 | Justin | vooze_: it's possible on your dhcp server, not the client |
| 19:37.52 | stew | uh? |
| 19:37.56 | karlpinc_ | !interfaces |
| 19:37.56 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 19:38.04 | stew | vooze_: sure you can configure a static ip address in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:38.48 | treitter | stew: sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "bts" |
| 19:38.55 | stew | !btssmite treitter |
| 19:38.55 | dpkg | beats treitter around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if treitter is running testing or unstable |
| 19:39.05 | karlpinc_ | vooze_: It _can_ be a good idea to centralize ip assignment on your dhcp server. It depends. |
| 19:39.09 | treitter | dmesg was showing "wlan0: link not ready" or something along those lines. Nothing terribly informative |
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| 19:40.04 | karlpinc_ | vooze_: (And note that you can give your box any IP in the world. This does not mean it will work on your network.) |
| 19:40.18 | Justin | treitter: network-manager just tells wpa_supplicant what to do, so if wpa_supplicant works, but network-manager doesn't, it sounds like you broke network-manager, or perhaps installed a version of wpa_supplicant not compatible with the version of network-manager that you have |
| 19:40.19 | stew | treitter: you should be checking http://bugs.debian.org/network-manager |
| 19:40.46 | Arm | I'm using debian testing, want to downgrade to stable. Changed the Default-Release in apt.conf, set pinnin to stable to 1001, removed all repos from sources.list except those from stable, did apt-get update, and when I do apt-get upgrade, it just laughs in my face and tells me nothing will be done. WTF is going on here? |
| 19:41.00 | Arm | ever apt-get -t stable upgrade doesn't work |
| 19:41.05 | somiaj | Arm: there really is no way to downgrade |
| 19:41.05 | Arm | even* |
| 19:41.15 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 19:41.15 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 19:41.28 | Arm | somiaj: oooh, we'll see about that |
| 19:41.37 | stew | Arm: you'd want to check "apt-cache policy" to see what stable is really pinned at. but what you are doing is unsupported and expected to fail |
| 19:41.38 | Arm | writes a script |
| 19:41.50 | Arm | stew: I see |
| 19:41.56 | Arm | well, I'll get to it |
| 19:42.03 | somiaj | Arm: its a oneway process. You're best bet is to reinstall. -- But if you want to spend the time go for it. |
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| 19:43.49 | Arm | hmm |
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| 19:44.47 | Arm | apt-get install `dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | sed 's|$|/stable|' | tr '\n' ' '` |
| 19:44.53 | Arm | I guess this should do the job |
| 19:45.11 | DelphiWorld | could someone pastebin there apt repos list? |
| 19:45.13 | Arm | but before I do that, I should first check if stable has the versions I need of a few apps |
| 19:45.16 | stew | Arm: note that dpkg -l can list packages which aren't installed |
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| 19:45.45 | stew | and using apt-get instead of aptitude for this is probably a much tougher challange |
| 19:45.56 | Arm | maybe I should add grep '^ii' |
| 19:46.19 | stew | as long as you don't have packages on hold |
| 19:46.28 | Arm | nope, I don't |
| 19:46.35 | nkuttler | !tell DelphiWorld about sources.list |
| 19:46.56 | Arm | !tell arm about apt.conf |
| 19:46.57 | stew | (that first 'i' doesn't have to be 'i' for an installed pacakge) |
| 19:47.05 | stew | !tell Arm about selftell |
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| 19:47.12 | vooze_ | stew: is it possible to just set address in /etc/network/interfaces? or do i need network and netmask also? |
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| 19:47.51 | stew | vooze_: you need address, netmask, and probably gateway. you do not need network or broadcast |
| 19:48.20 | stew | (the only reason to specify network or broadcast is if you're doing something non-standard) |
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| 19:49.39 | vooze_ | stew: gateway is just the routers ip right? |
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| 19:50.08 | karlpinc_ | Arm: Check out the <bdo> and <overview> factoids. |
| 19:50.27 | treitter | stew: none of these bugs seem to quite match my issue. Is reportbug the only way to submit a new bug report? |
| 19:50.28 | stew | vooze_: yes |
| 19:50.37 | treitter | or is there some "report bug" link I'm completely missing? |
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| 19:51.00 | stew | treitter: you can only submit bugs via email. reportbug is the recommended tool for doing this |
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| 20:14.23 | mirco | Hi all, I'm trying to send mail with mutt in a script but have the following behavior: "mutt -s âthis is a testâ -a /mnt/edm/tst ab@c.de < mail-body" Kann Verzeichniseintrag für Datei ab@c.de nicht lesen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
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| 20:16.34 | DotHack | mirco: can you translate that to english? |
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| 20:16.54 | karlpinc_ | mirco: I always just use mail (or mailx). |
| 20:17.16 | stew | karlpinc_: with attachments? |
| 20:17.42 | karlpinc_ | stew: Ah no. Then I use metamail (IIRC.) I forget. |
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| 20:18.50 | ^DEMOSS^ | hello |
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| 20:20.04 | DotHack | mirco: i think mutt wants to read to mailbox of ab@c.de but cant find it |
| 20:20.16 | ^DEMOSS^ | anybody can help me ? i have a problem with starting my debian squeeze. I setup KVM on my system , them after last update - i have this problem "Starting NFS common utilites: statd" - failed 8( |
| 20:21.06 | mirco | DotHack, karlpinc " Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden" > File or Dir not found ... and yes I know about mailx but thought it can't handle attachments! |
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| 20:22.11 | DotHack | ^DEMOSS^: check this: http://www.nntpnews.info/threads/19504652-Bug-562737-failed-with-Starting-NFS-common-utilities-statd-failed! maybe something to go with ipv6 |
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| 20:25.24 | ^DEMOSS^ | DotHack: do not understand... what i must doing ? |
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| 20:25.40 | mirco | DotHack, there's another message telling: "ab@c.de can't attach file" |
| 20:26.22 | DotHack | mirco: can you access /mnt/edm/tst |
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| 20:36.32 | shales | I'm trying to setup a trivial debian repository that is signed. I |
| 20:36.35 | shales | whoops |
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| 20:37.22 | lun_hunter | hi |
| 20:37.43 | lun_hunter | once san space has been allocated, how do I find the space on my unix box? |
| 20:38.01 | lun_hunter | does it simply appear as a device in dev? |
| 20:38.05 | lun_hunter | if so which one? |
| 20:38.46 | shales | I'm creating the Packages file with dpkg-scanpackages, the Release file with apt-ftparchive, and then signing the Release file. I get an error when I "apt-get update" though saying "W: Conflicting distribution: ssh://user@example.com /var/repo/ Release (expected /var/repo but got squeeze)" |
| 20:39.26 | ^DEMOSS^ | DotHack: do not understand... what i must doing ? |
| 20:39.34 | ^DEMOSS^ | anybody can help me ? i have a problem with starting my debian squeeze. I setup KVM on my system , them after last update - i have this problem "Starting NFS common utilites: statd" - failed 8( |
| 20:40.08 | shales | From http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository I gather there are 2 types of Release files, so I'm not sure if I have the right one. Oh, and I should add I'm accessing this repo over ssh with an exact path as the distribution in my sources.list. Does this make any sense? |
| 20:41.16 | mirco | DotHack, shure the file exists |
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| 20:41.24 | DotHack | lun_hunter: THE ONE THAT HAS THE SAME SIZE AS YOUR Lun |
| 20:41.27 | DotHack | srry caps |
| 20:41.54 | DotHack | mirco: but can you read it? maybe you dont have permission or so to create a temp dir |
| 20:42.19 | mirco | I'm running those test's as root |
| 20:42.39 | DotHack | mirco: weird |
| 20:43.04 | DotHack | mirco: can you set your locale to C or so then you get an error message in english and google it :) |
| 20:43.07 | mirco | yeap |
| 20:43.30 | simonlnu | shales: there's Inrelease, Release, Release.gpg (#2, gpg signed), AFAIK |
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| 20:44.10 | shales | Inrelease you say? That's new to me |
| 20:44.29 | simonlnu | squeeze apt won't support that, i think |
| 20:44.58 | stew | squeeze does |
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| 20:45.14 | stew | simonlnu: InRelease is Release with an inline signature (instead of detached) |
| 20:45.29 | simonlnu | ok. thank you. |
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| 20:46.04 | simonlnu | and i typoed that... (thought i corrected it *shrug*) |
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| 20:48.42 | mirco | DotHack, "Can't stat ab@c.de: No such file or directory ab@c.de: unable to attach file." |
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| 20:49.22 | DotHack | mirco: ok can you give the exact command you are doing? |
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| 20:51.42 | shales | simonlnu: Sorry, internet connection hiccuped. Were you saying I should have an Inrelease file? or is the Release and Release.gpg sufficient? |
| 20:52.03 | mirco | DotHack, This order doesn't work: "mutt -a /mnt/edm-ro/x.csv -s "Betreff" ab@c.de < mail-body" This one does: "mutt -s "Betreff" ab@c.de -a /mnt/edm-ro/x.csv < mail-body" |
| 20:52.39 | lun_hunter | DotHack: thx bro |
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| 20:53.23 | DotHack | mirco: weeird |
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| 20:53.29 | eb3ha4el | I just burned short film I made into DVD, but why doesn't it start automatically as I insert the disk, like any other DVD being sold in shop? |
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| 20:53.44 | Qation | Can anyone help me with network manager? Network-manager-gnome shows up but with a disconnected plug and 'X' I can't connect to any network but I can see them |
| 20:53.54 | Riviera | DotHack: no, it's changed to allow multiple attachments, like by giving a pathname expansion pattern |
| 20:54.09 | Qation | dmesg|tail gives ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 20:54.12 | Qation | also for eth0 |
| 20:54.16 | Qation | but I'm using wlan0 |
| 20:54.36 | mirco | DotHack, shure! damn weird!!! Anyway thx for holding hands ... ;-) |
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| 20:55.11 | DotHack | mirco: see Riviera´s mention about multi attachments |
| 20:55.12 | Qation | This happened after I uninstall gdm3 btw |
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| 20:57.59 | mirco | Riviera: Thx for the hint! |
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| 20:59.10 | Qation | Does anyone here have any idea what I can do? I've been trying to find a solution for about 4 days now |
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| 21:06.21 | ham5 | !anyone |
| 21:06.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 21:07.25 | jelly-home | ham5: He _did_ describe the situation in lines above. Don't be an arse. |
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| 21:08.30 | amphi | Qation: does ifconfig -a show wlan0 ? |
| 21:08.49 | Qation | yes |
| 21:08.59 | Qation | also vboxnet0.. |
| 21:09.03 | Qation | I havn't seen that before |
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| 21:09.20 | Qation | it has lo,eth0,wlan0,vboxnet0 |
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| 21:09.50 | Qation | amphi: Its nothing wrong w/ the interface I'm pretty sure. It was working fine before |
| 21:10.05 | Qation | It may have been because I added sid & wheezy repos |
| 21:10.20 | amphi | Qation: oh, in that case, I would just suggest using wicd rather than network manager |
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| 21:11.04 | Qation | So there isn't really a way to fix it? |
| 21:11.05 | amphi | Qation: I see much wailing and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments by n-m users; on the other hand wicd seems to JustWork⢠|
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| 21:11.23 | Qation | I've used wicd when I was running arch |
| 21:11.31 | xyan | wicd is the same broken shit, at least here on sid |
| 21:11.43 | Qation | I suppose it worked fine, but I really prefer the gnome frontend to wicd |
| 21:11.55 | amphi | I've not used n0m myself; but people who used n-m to whom I suggested wicd have been pathetically grateful ;) |
| 21:12.01 | JulianSSS1 | hi there, i just changed from ubuntu to debian and i'm wondering why debian doesnt have pulseaudio in use by default. are there any issues with debian and pulse? I generally like the possibility of changing every applications volume seperatly. |
| 21:12.36 | dvs | JulianSSS1: Everyone I heard that's using pulseaudio has had problems.\ |
| 21:12.44 | Qation | I've tried changing NetworkManger.conf and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:13.14 | Qation | If I want network manager managing eth0 and wlan0, do I only put 'auto lo' in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:13.17 | dvs | Qation: If you are using NetworkManager, then the only thing that should be in /etc/network/interfaces is lo |
| 21:13.27 | Qation | dvs: thats what I have |
| 21:13.28 | amphi | Qation: it won't work with /etc/network/interfaces & ifup either / |
| 21:13.31 | amphi | ? |
| 21:13.40 | JulianSSS1 | dvs: ok - so i wont consider this step... is there another option changing each applications volume by itself? |
| 21:13.49 | Qation | dvs: just "lo" or "auto lo"? |
| 21:14.11 | dvs | Qation: "auto lo" and "iface lo net loopback" |
| 21:14.20 | Qation | Oh |
| 21:14.35 | dvs | ifcae log inet loopback <-- |
| 21:14.36 | ^DEMOSS^ | anybody can help me ? i have a problem with starting my debian squeeze. I setup KVM on my system , them after last update - i have this problem "Starting NFS common utilites: statd" - failed 8( |
| 21:14.41 | dvs | argh! |
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| 21:14.57 | Qation | Just iface right? |
| 21:15.04 | dvs | JulianSSS1: No, that I know of. |
| 21:15.14 | dvs | Qation: Yes, excuse my typing |
| 21:15.17 | JulianSSS1 | dvs: ok thanks so far! |
| 21:15.21 | Qation | Its fine thanks |
| 21:15.23 | dvs | JulianSSS1: np |
| 21:17.16 | cwillu_at_work | dvs, quick snipe: in general you're not going to hear from the people who don't have problems with pulseaudio :p |
| 21:17.39 | dvs | cwillu_at_work: Yet... :-> |
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| 21:17.48 | intx | how do i get an interface to automatically be a mtu of 1500? |
| 21:17.51 | cwillu_at_work | dvs, 2 years and counting :p |
| 21:17.53 | Qation | dvs: Did you mean put all three of those lines you typed there? or just two? |
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| 21:18.16 | xyan | intx: put mtu 1500 into the right device section in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:18.19 | dvs | Qation: Just two: "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" |
| 21:18.28 | dvs | spells it right! |
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| 21:18.33 | Qation | Okay |
| 21:18.37 | intx | xyan: it's dhcp, does that matter? i have that in there, but it keeps changing back to 576 (connected to a cable modem) |
| 21:18.43 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, with debian in general, if you want it, you specifically install it; it's not a big deal really |
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| 21:19.12 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: is it like sudo apt-get ...? |
| 21:19.17 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, exactly |
| 21:19.24 | Qation | Do I want '[ifupdown] \n managed=false' in my NetworkManager.conf if I want nm to manage eth0 and wlan0? |
| 21:19.24 | xyan | intx: hrm i dont know, maybe you can set your dhcp config to ignore mtu values |
| 21:19.28 | HandyGandy | I'm having some real problems. When I boot my partitions appear blank. If I boot of USB I have to fsck the partitions or they appear blank. But if I do fsck the normal contents are there. I'm using testing and the problem partitions are all jfs. |
| 21:19.31 | cwillu_at_work | you might need to configure it to your needs as well (basically the same way you would in ubuntu if necessary) |
| 21:19.41 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: and then its gonne be used automatically??? nice! :D |
| 21:19.48 | Qation | I tried changing that earlier but I don't remember what it was at first |
| 21:19.57 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, depending on how the package is configured, but yeah |
| 21:20.16 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, you might poke around to make sure you get a volume control applet that can make use of it, but yeah |
| 21:20.51 | cwillu_at_work | (for the most part, "ubuntu" is just different default packages; there's modifications and so forth, but in essence...) |
| 21:21.00 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: ahh thats gonna be no problem if pavumeter and pavucontrol exist... |
| 21:21.08 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, which they do |
| 21:21.28 | nvictor | software center sucks |
| 21:21.28 | nvictor | what else can i use to uninstall software on my system? |
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| 21:21.44 | cwillu_at_work | nvictor, synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, take your pick |
| 21:21.47 | karlpinc_ | nvictor: Are you using ubuntu? |
| 21:21.55 | cwillu_at_work | also, yeah :p |
| 21:22.09 | nvictor | karlpinc_: debian |
| 21:22.13 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: but still i have big problems getting my streamzap ir rc to work which - in ubuntu - required pluging the usbjack in :( |
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| 21:22.23 | nvictor | cwillu_at_work: oh, i thought they were for packages only |
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| 21:22.43 | karlpinc_ | nvictor: Software is packaged in packages. |
| 21:22.44 | JulianSSS1 | nvictor: software equals packages |
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| 21:23.08 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, so look at how ubuntu does it, and do the same thing :p |
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| 21:23.25 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, they probably have a udev rule doing some magic, and possibly some extra kernel modules built by default |
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| 21:24.16 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: no chance - i took all the configs - finally i got all the modules loaded but at a certain point there must be a problem - i cant tell where :( |
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| 21:24.19 | qation_ | It didn't work :( |
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| 21:24.25 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, keep looking :p |
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| 21:24.47 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: ahhh udev :) i need a new install of ubuntu ⦠|
| 21:25.03 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, livecd might suffice as well, if it works in the live install |
| 21:25.43 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: nice hint - i'll give that a try... could i even check this out with qemu? |
| 21:26.01 | cwillu_at_work | sure, although you may have a bit trickier time checking the hardware and such |
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| 21:26.42 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: ok - real booting :D |
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| 21:29.57 | nvictor | JulianSSS1: ok this is scary |
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| 21:30.10 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: one more question - about these udev-rules... I once worked on one - but I have no idea, where to look for the right rule or even where those rules are stored and stuff |
| 21:30.22 | JulianSSS1 | nvictor: what's scary? :D |
| 21:30.23 | nvictor | JulianSSS1: i have marked some gnome games and webcam apps that i won't be needing for removal and gnome itself was selected for removal... |
| 21:30.29 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, "locate" is your friend :) |
| 21:30.46 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, you're looking for folders called "rules.d", and files with suggestive names |
| 21:30.48 | JulianSSS1 | nvictor: gnome is a metapackage - don't worry bout it |
| 21:30.56 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: ok thanks |
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| 21:30.59 | nvictor | ok |
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| 21:31.16 | simonlnu | also could have some stuff auto-installed. watch for that. |
| 21:31.20 | cwillu_at_work | JulianSSS1, going home soon, and then to bed :p |
| 21:31.38 | simonlnu | "auto-install Recommends:" |
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| 21:32.25 | JulianSSS1 | nvictor: if you want all the "gnome-experience" with all the game and so on installed, you just apt-get install gnome. but this gnome-package just installs many packages once. if you remove one of them, the metapackage isnt installed anymore |
| 21:33.10 | JulianSSS1 | cwillu_at_work: ok i hope i'll get it working by miyself - thanks very much for support |
| 21:33.35 | stew | nvictor: see http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package |
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| 21:35.38 | nvictor | JulianSSS1: is there a program that goes through debian and remove all things that are not usually needed for programming? |
| 21:36.02 | JulianSSS1 | nvictor: err afaik: no |
| 21:36.08 | nvictor | k |
| 21:36.45 | JulianSSS1 | nvictor: you mean apps like: compilers, sdks? |
| 21:37.32 | stew | nvictor: perhaps "aptitude remove '~i~sdevel'" |
| 21:37.39 | stew | nvictor: perhaps also "aptitude remove '~i~slibdevel'" |
| 21:38.14 | stew | though markauto might be better than remove there |
| 21:38.15 | nvictor | JulianSSS1: yes |
| 21:38.31 | nvictor | stew: i would better use software center |
| 21:38.47 | stew | i don't know what that is |
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| 21:39.10 | babilen | nvictor: Why do you want leave only development related programs and how can you decide what they are? Is Xorg needed? (definitely not) An editor? (nice, but not essential) .... It is hard to draw the line :) |
| 21:39.11 | JulianSSS1 | nvictor: hmm do you wanna safe harddisk-space? or do you want to make it impossible to do programming? |
| 21:39.39 | nvictor | JulianSSS1: save space |
| 21:39.58 | stew | nvictor: oh, its some gnome package manager. I don't know if software center can filter packages by section or whatever, but I'm trying to steer you towards marking packages in the "devel" and "libdevel" sections as not needed |
| 21:40.00 | nvictor | JulianSSS1: i have vms for winxp, fedora, debian |
| 21:40.26 | stew | nvictor: debfoster is aother utility for helping find packages you might be able to remove |
| 21:40.27 | nvictor | so saving space is the goal |
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| 21:40.35 | nvictor | ok |
| 21:40.38 | somiaj | nvictor: usually easier to go the other way. Start with a base system install and then only install what you will use on top of that. |
| 21:40.59 | nvictor | somiaj: yes, that was my mistake :( |
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| 21:41.24 | nvictor | somiaj: the vm i used has pretty much everything configured and installed since i didn't know debian well |
| 21:41.27 | somiaj | nvictor: build a vm/chroot with deboot strap that is just that...create a list of packages needed, remove all but that is on that list. |
| 21:41.53 | somiaj | nvictor: you can copy over configuration files. |
| 21:42.00 | JulianSSS1 | ok - you know baobab? with this you can check in which directory how many megabytes are used. for me, many space is used by doc-directories |
| 21:42.12 | nvictor | well guess i will keep them for the time being i might break something |
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| 21:45.44 | simonlnu | tomaw: i modded your sql logger to support sqlite3 |
| 21:46.06 | tomaw | I don't think that's mine |
| 21:47.00 | simonlnu | it is according to the (C) |
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| 21:47.50 | simonlnu | tomaw: can i /msg you? |
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| 21:48.01 | tomaw | simonlnu: sure |
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| 21:51.12 | webad13 | how can I get url with curl but without the tags around text? (not using sed or awk) |
| 21:51.40 | simonlnu | pipe it though html2txt ? |
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| 21:51.55 | simonlnu | through* (my cat trying to 'help' me type again) |
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| 21:52.13 | xyzp | what most i type in the consol to get dist and version? |
| 21:52.21 | qation_ | Is it default that you have to be in netdev group to use networkmanager? |
| 21:52.22 | webad13 | simonlnu: :) is there an option in curl that does this instead? |
| 21:52.25 | simonlnu | !version |
| 21:52.25 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 21:52.25 | Pulse- | I am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg |
| 21:52.42 | simonlnu | webad13: man curl |
| 21:52.47 | simonlnu | no idea |
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| 21:53.17 | simonlnu | who's bot is Pulse- ? |
| 21:53.34 | simonlnu | Pulse-: owner |
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| 21:56.53 | lun_hunter | hey is there a gnu program to make fancy pie chart crap in html? |
| 21:57.04 | lun_hunter | my bosses are hypnotized by such so i want |
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| 21:57.12 | qation_ | Still I can't get networkmanager to work... |
| 21:57.19 | lun_hunter | dotn use wireless |
| 21:57.24 | lun_hunter | get cheap wireless router |
| 21:57.29 | lun_hunter | lnk it to main wireless hub |
| 21:57.37 | lun_hunter | then ethernet cabel to your linux desktop and severs |
| 21:57.39 | lun_hunter | BAM |
| 21:57.42 | lupine_85 | qation_, I almost exclusively use wicd |
| 21:58.01 | qation_ | I guess I should try wicd |
| 21:58.03 | lupine_85 | if it's a NM problem rather than a problem with the wireless card or drivers or rfkill, switching might help |
| 21:58.19 | qation_ | but it will be a pain in the ass to move my desktop downstairs for a connection |
| 21:58.20 | lupine_85 | if you don't know what the problem is yet, that might be jumping the gun |
| 21:58.43 | qation_ | lupine_85: not a driver problem |
| 21:58.48 | qation_ | Its been workign before |
| 21:59.01 | qation_ | But after I removed gdm3 it won't let me connect to anything |
| 21:59.07 | qation_ | I can see the networks |
| 21:59.30 | qation_ | but the icon for gnome network manager is like an disconnected plug with and "x" under it |
| 21:59.55 | qation_ | maybe I should use wpa supplicant? |
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| 22:00.35 | dvs | qation_: That's what I use. |
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| 22:00.53 | xyzp | <---- Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 |
| 22:01.00 | qation_ | I don't know bash code very well though. Is that all the config files are written in? |
| 22:01.04 | qation_ | thats all I see |
| 22:01.22 | dvs | qation_: No, I just made config files. |
| 22:01.31 | qation_ | in /etc/wpa_supplicant? |
| 22:01.52 | dvs | qation_: Yeah, and /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:02.37 | qation_ | dvs: Theres some sort of syntax right? I wish an example file was just installed with it |
| 22:02.46 | qation_ | I've used netcfg before but not wpa_supplicant |
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| 22:04.09 | qation_ | So I just make wpa_supplicant.conf? |
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| 22:04.18 | dvs | qation_: I just used the docs in /usr/share/docs/wpa_supplicant |
| 22:04.30 | qation_ | okay |
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| 22:05.23 | qation_ | dvs: Thanks I see an examples folder |
| 22:05.47 | qation_ | Although I'm not sure which to use |
| 22:06.11 | dvs | qation_: I'd read the README.Debian.gz file first. |
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| 22:06.33 | xyzp | thanks for the help eith the consol |
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| 22:06.43 | xyzp | with |
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| 22:08.13 | poincare101 | Hello everyone. I just went to a static ip, and its not working (I cannot connect to the internet), and, I would like to go back to DHCP, how would I do this? I figured out you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:08.21 | babilen | qation_: In particular /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz explains the various ways in which wpasupplicant can be configured. /me would just use wicd / wicd-curses though |
| 22:08.50 | qation_ | babilen: I just need a connection right now and I don't have wicd installed |
| 22:09.29 | babilen | qation_: Ok, then read the README.modes about managed mode |
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| 22:10.06 | webad_13 | any idea how to display only non matching words, not lines, with grep? |
| 22:10.18 | dvs | babilen: That's the same file. ;-) |
| 22:10.26 | babilen | poincare101: You are looking for "man 5 interfaces" and in particular a line like "iface IFACE inet dhcp" (iface eth0 inet dhcp -- for example) |
| 22:10.50 | babilen | dvs: What is the same file? |
| 22:11.07 | dvs | README.Debian.gz and README.modes.gz |
| 22:11.08 | ZykoticK9 | poincare101, assuming eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces set it back to "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and commend out your manual settings. Once you've restarted (or restarted networking), copy the file /etc/resolv.conf (with your DNS servers) to a save location, then you could try restoring static IP and see if the only problem was the DNS |
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| 22:11.24 | babilen | dvs: heh, I always read README.modes :) |
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| 22:12.53 | qation_ | is therea command to start wpa_supplicant? |
| 22:13.14 | qation_ | I put my network info in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:14.12 | babilen | qation_: If correctly configure it will be brought up automatically when you run "ifup IFACE" (e.g. ifup wlan0) |
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| 22:14.31 | dvs | unless you're using roaming |
| 22:14.57 | qation_ | Its returning a couple DHCPDISCOVER things |
| 22:15.00 | babilen | dvs: huh? What else need to be done for roaming, worked just the same ... |
| 22:15.12 | qation_ | and I think its listening on some mac address it looks like |
| 22:15.30 | dvs | babilen: It uses a daemon which is controlled by wpa_action |
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| 22:16.06 | qation_ | Do I just have to wait until it stops? |
| 22:17.11 | dvs | qation_: I'd reboot to see if it works that way. |
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| 22:17.15 | qation_ | maybe I should just manually set the dhcp settings.. |
| 22:17.25 | qation_ | oh wait it stopped |
| 22:17.59 | dvs | ...and? |
| 22:18.01 | qation_ | It returned "No DHCPOFFERS recieved. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping" |
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| 22:19.43 | qation_ | This is the interfaces file http://pastie.org/1978333 do I need anything else? |
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| 22:22.06 | qation_ | dvs: do you use the interfaces file or a .conf file? |
| 22:22.26 | dvs | qation_: I use a .conf file |
| 22:22.35 | wrs | I can't find xorg in my Debian Stable install (locate didn't turn it up). So, how can I set up a different screen resolution then? |
| 22:22.37 | dvs | because I use roaming mode |
| 22:23.11 | qation_ | What is the difference between roaming and managed? |
| 22:23.43 | dvs | qation_: Roaming will switch networks automatically when a network goes out of range. |
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| 22:24.02 | qation_ | Well I don't think I have a use for that |
| 22:24.15 | qation_ | but was the interfaces file I linked to okay? |
| 22:24.34 | dvs | qation_: Looks like it. I'd reboot and see what happens. |
| 22:24.39 | qation_ | okay |
| 22:24.41 | rypervenche | wrs: I never had a xorg.conf when I first installed Debian stable. I had to make one myself. |
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| 22:25.31 | wrs | rypervenche: I just wonder.. since xorg is running. Where does it get its defaults from, then? |
| 22:25.36 | qation_ | I've rebooted so many times, it gets annoying because fsck keeps stopping with a file system check failure |
| 22:26.07 | rypervenche | wrs: Try /usr/share/X11 |
| 22:26.17 | qation_ | oh wait |
| 22:26.39 | qation_ | good it got assigned the IP I gave my mac address I guess |
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| 22:27.20 | qation_ | I dont think im online though |
| 22:27.24 | qation_ | I can't ping any hosts |
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| 22:28.10 | dvs | qation_: Can you ping any IPs? |
| 22:28.10 | entombed | My synaptics trackpad is being detected as a PS/2 mouse by my kernel... 2.6.38, any ideas? |
| 22:28.13 | qation_ | and ifconfig doesnt show its address |
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| 22:29.16 | qation_ | dvs: It returns network is unreachable |
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| 22:30.00 | dvs | qation_: What does "ip link" say? |
| 22:30.09 | qation_ | It may be because network manager is running |
| 22:30.15 | qation_ | though its not managing wlan0 |
| 22:30.18 | dvs | qation_: That will do it |
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| 22:30.33 | qation_ | stop it? |
| 22:30.43 | dvs | I'd uninstall it |
| 22:30.48 | qation_ | oh |
| 22:30.51 | qation_ | okay |
| 22:31.25 | qation_ | I did /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 22:31.42 | dvs | brb |
| 22:31.48 | qation_ | Okay |
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| 22:32.53 | webad_13 | I don't understand why echo "<tr><td>BackOffice03</td></tr>"|sed 's/<.[a-z]\{1,\}>//g' produces BackOffice03. Shouldn't it be BackOffice03</td></tr> ?? |
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| 22:34.50 | qation_ | the interface didn't look on so I turned it on with ifconfig but it doesn't change anything |
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| 22:35.42 | ironicum | webad13: because you tell sed to substitude every occurence of tags with "g" |
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| 22:36.25 | Riviera | webad_13: the dot matches the / |
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| 22:36.33 | dvs | I'm back |
| 22:37.28 | dvs | qation_: I'd uninstall network manager because it's just going to start up again once you reboot. |
| 22:37.48 | qation_ | ip link returns "3: wlan0: BRADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP qlen 1000 link/ether 00:c0:ca:39:be:4a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff' |
| 22:38.18 | simonlnu | ironicum: what? |
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| 22:39.09 | ironicum | g substitutes globally |
| 22:39.26 | qation_ | alright ill uninstall nm |
| 22:39.37 | Riviera | ironicum: simonlnu wonders about the closing tags, not about the multiple substitutions |
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| 22:40.11 | simonlnu | no, it's what he said. and i misinterpreted what he said. |
| 22:40.12 | ironicum | i saw that when you answeed his question |
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| 22:40.23 | webad_13 | Riviera: ah yes, than you |
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| 22:41.37 | simonlnu | i misinterpreted it as "you replaced the LH with a g". which made no sense. |
| 22:42.40 | qation_ | dvs: I'm connected thanks |
| 22:42.47 | qation_ | Now I'll install wicd I guess |
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| 22:43.04 | dvs | qation_: Then you have to undo all the stuff in the interfaces file. |
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| 22:43.45 | cheako | Hello, is there a perl interface to ifup/down or would I just system them and pray? |
| 22:44.47 | simonlnu | nope |
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| 22:45.56 | jon8 | Whats the easiest way for me to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.38.7.. running debian 6, 64bit |
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| 22:46.21 | sickgut | some reason all my programs wanna play all sound out pc speaker |
| 22:47.34 | sickgut | everything was working fine with alsa etc but for some reason after i installed xmcd a small cdplayer app it didnt work so i apt-get removed it coz there was no sound from it, now i can get any sound at all, only out pc speaker |
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| 22:47.54 | sickgut | so i uninstalled and reinstalled alsa alsa-utils alsamixergui |
| 22:47.57 | sickgut | no help |
| 22:48.18 | sickgut | even assault cube plays sound through pcspeaker |
| 22:48.19 | simonlnu | jon8: /msg dpkg k-p |
| 22:48.44 | jon8 | ty |
| 22:48.48 | sickgut | what setting where can divert all my sound into pcspeaker? |
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| 22:51.05 | sickgut | [AO_ALSA] Unable to find simple control 'PCM',0. |
| 22:51.09 | sickgut | lol |
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| 22:51.35 | sickgut | just tried to play a cd in mplayer and this error i get and its beeping like 5 times a seccond |
| 22:52.47 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 22:53.03 | confrey | where can I find documentation about i915 modeule? |
| 22:53.08 | confrey | module? |
| 22:53.18 | simonlnu | source code ;p |
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| 22:53.39 | confrey | can I find it on web, without installing sources? |
| 22:53.41 | simonlnu | try the manual page for the xorg video driver |
| 22:53.56 | confrey | simonlnu, ok, thanks |
| 22:54.08 | simonlnu | probably the git tree for linux kernel, gitweb thingy |
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| 22:56.31 | webad13 | is there a way to format output so that table borders are displayed in terminal? |
| 22:57.08 | confrey | simonlnu, I can't find it in man pages, I don't know what man page I have to search |
| 22:57.57 | simonlnu | man i915 for instance. you have to have it installed for that to work - if it even exists. |
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| 22:59.51 | Xqtftqx | Hey, there seems to be a problem with cpp in the latest sid for arm... it seems to have the manifest files inside /usr/bin/cpp 0_0 |
| 23:00.07 | simonlnu | wtf |
| 23:00.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xqtftqx: o.0 |
| 23:00.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | that would be a serious bug |
| 23:02.17 | Xqtftqx | May be an error with my install (Not sure how this would happen) but take a look: http://pastebin.com/AsCDNLKG |
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| 23:04.26 | simonlnu | uh, i'd say file corruption |
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| 23:05.09 | simonlnu | looks like a status file's partial contents |
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| 23:06.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xqtftqx: /usr/bin/cpp should be a symplink to your c compiler, in sids case cpp-4.6 |
| 23:06.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xqtftqx: is it a symlink? |
| 23:06.43 | Xqtftqx | Yes. |
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| 23:07.34 | simonlnu | ls -l /usr/bin/cpp |
| 23:07.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Xqtftqx: then your cpp-4.6 is corrupted? fwiw, it appears to be valid in the deb |
| 23:07.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | tmp/cpp-4.6-armel $ file usr/bin/cpp-4.6 |
| 23:07.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | usr/bin/cpp-4.6: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, stripped |
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| 23:08.41 | Xqtftqx | interesting.. ill take a look again when i can get on the system |
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| 23:09.38 | sickgut | omfg |
| 23:09.56 | sickgut | in alsami xergui it says my sound cardware is pcspeaker |
| 23:10.09 | sickgut | my soundcard just dissapeared |
| 23:10.10 | simonlnu | !pcspkr |
| 23:10.10 | dpkg | The PC Speaker makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezoelectric speaker, attached to the motherboard). Blacklist "pcspkr" (PC Speaker beeper driver) to kill it, ask me about <blacklist>. snd-pcsp (PC Speaker sound card driver) is blacklisted by default since alsa-driver 1.0.17.dfsg-4. |
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| 23:11.42 | sickgut | <blacklist> |
| 23:12.14 | simonlnu | no, like this: |
| 23:12.22 | simonlnu | /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 23:17.09 | cusco | hi folks |
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| 23:21.04 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:21.43 | ascheel | Question about start scripts. Is there a fundamental difference between init scripts when labeled "S20blah" or "K40blah"? Does the letter matter? Second question, if I want to ensure a script runs very last, do I just need to make sure it is alphabetically and numerically last in line in its respective directory? |
| 23:22.51 | jetscreamer | s start k kill |
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| 23:22.53 | simonlnu | yes it matters. they're symlinks. S is start K is stop |
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| 23:23.03 | jetscreamer | and the #'s are the order |
| 23:23.10 | simonlnu | numerically |
| 23:23.15 | jetscreamer | so like 99 or so |
| 23:23.18 | themill | the numbers are automatically generated from the headers |
| 23:23.21 | jetscreamer | hey simon |
| 23:23.25 | simonlnu | hi |
| 23:23.33 | ascheel | So if no K script, then it doesn't get executed during shutdown, etc? |
| 23:23.50 | ascheel | update-rc.d you mean? Understood |
| 23:23.52 | simonlnu | it's a symlink. not an extra script. |
| 23:24.00 | simonlnu | see source |
| 23:24.02 | ascheel | simonlnu: I know, symlink to /etc/init.d/blah |
| 23:24.08 | jetscreamer | oh yeah duh |
| 23:24.19 | simonlnu | ok |
| 23:24.20 | jetscreamer | forgot that |
| 23:24.32 | ascheel | I just want to make sure I'm understanding, that's all. |
| 23:24.49 | simonlnu | np |
| 23:25.10 | simonlnu | and like themill said, the LSB headers will determine ordering |
| 23:25.36 | ascheel | yeah, didn't realize they were based on the LSB headers. I just 'assumed' (there's that word) that it would add it next in line. |
| 23:25.45 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 23:27.01 | ascheel | I've read that, but not noticing where the priority is specified (S20 vs S99, etc) |
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| 23:28.18 | simonlnu | 00 to 99, lowest first |
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| 23:28.52 | ascheel | simonlnu: No, I know that but if it's generated off of the LSB headers, I would think you'd be able to specify that order in the header itself. Does it need to be manually modified after the fact? |
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| 23:29.40 | themill | ascheel: the priority isn't specified, the things that need to be done before or after are specified. The numbers then just get filled in to make that order happen |
| 23:29.48 | simonlnu | yes and no. it's dependency based. you can't set it numerically. |
| 23:30.01 | ascheel | ok, that explains why I didn't notice it in the page. |
| 23:30.05 | simonlnu | what he said |
| 23:30.39 | simonlnu | like: $named $syslog $network etc. |
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| 23:31.17 | ascheel | I'm diving into it by creating a general purpose startup script which has no dependencies, but I want it to execute last, so I've specified $all as the only dependency |
| 23:31.31 | simonlnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.40 | ascheel | there will be no K scripts associated with it |
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| 23:31.47 | themill | !rc.local |
| 23:31.48 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
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| 23:33.20 | ascheel | gotcha. Going off of that last sentence, it looks like I should continue on my current patah |
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| 23:34.19 | themill | yeah... depends on what you're trying to achieve. If it's just "run something at boot time and don't worry about stopping it at the end", then I'd use rc.local |
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| 23:34.59 | themill | but words like "crude hack" don't put me off and I do most of my programming in perl with a needle and a magnet. |
| 23:35.07 | ascheel | lol |
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| 23:36.18 | ascheel | I appreciate the help. Confession, I'm an Ubuntu user... but most of the folks in #ubuntu are people that can't get their wireless adapters working. Technical issues fly over most of their heads. I'm trying to avoid being "one of those guys" |
| 23:36.22 | tmkt | Hey hey, just updated my apache to 2.2... |
| 23:36.30 | tmkt | and all my virtualhosts have gone down the tubes |
| 23:36.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | ascheel: congrats, you just managed to get help that doesn't nicely apply to your init system :) |
| 23:37.20 | ascheel | Kamping_Kaiser: on the contrary. They still use init.d for the ones that haven't been switched to upstart and it follows the debian startup info |
| 23:37.22 | confrey | hi everybody again |
| 23:37.32 | tmkt | Forbidden - You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 23:37.34 | tmkt | any ideas? |
| 23:37.35 | ascheel | it all applies still |
| 23:37.50 | tmkt | only virtualhost i have that is working in svn |
| 23:38.14 | confrey | I've a question : my noteb has a radeon hd5470, but the driver used is intel (i915), why? |
| 23:38.21 | themill | ascheel: I'd be surprised if the LSB header ordering applies in the same way. But I wouldn't know.... try #ubuntu-server if #ubuntu is too clueless. |
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| 23:38.36 | tmkt | any ideas? |
| 23:38.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | ascheel: actually, it doesnt. init scripts are simply executed as a group after upstart jobs are run |
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| 23:39.44 | themill | tmkt: finally updated from sarge to etch? |
| 23:39.47 | ascheel | Kamping_Kaiser: I apologize then. That's ok, my server will be going Debian as soon as I replace the hardware. |
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| 23:40.33 | tmkt | On etch yeah |
| 23:40.39 | tmkt | themill: you've seen this before? |
| 23:41.15 | themill | tmkt: yes. I solved this problem about 5 years ago. You realise that etch also no longer receives security support, don't you? |
| 23:41.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | tmkt: might be time to push your luck and upgrade to oldstable? :) |
| 23:42.06 | tmkt | Sounds like a plan..but right now..just need to get our bugzilla installation back up..along with svn |
| 23:42.18 | themill | tmkt: from memory, the error log tells you why this is -- the way virtual hosts were configured changed slightly. |
| 23:42.56 | tmkt | error log on bugzilla seems to mention svn dav stuff |
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| 23:45.17 | tmkt | quite the pain had about 7 vhosts on there |
| 23:45.24 | tmkt | reduced it down to 2 |
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| 23:47.00 | tmkt | everything just wants to go through svn |
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| 23:49.28 | tmkt | seems its some evil dav_svn.conf and dav_svn.load files |
| 23:50.04 | Makuew | I am making partitions with cfdisk, and when i come to partition 4-5 it says No free sectors available. |
| 23:50.08 | Makuew | what does that mean? |
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| 23:52.18 | wols | Makuew: did you create any extended partitions? |
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| 23:53.26 | buhman | I want to bridge (I think) my wlan1 and eth2 together on one of my machines |
| 23:53.42 | ascheel | Makuew: An HDD can only have 4 primary partitions (probably 0-3 in your case). Any more than 4 partitions and they have to be created as an extended partition |
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| 23:54.10 | buhman | I believe I've got the bridge setup in /etc/network/interfaces and each adapter communicates with the other end properly |
| 23:54.19 | buhman | it just doesn't look like the bridge it doing it's job |
| 23:54.34 | wols | buhman: enabled ip forwarding? |
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| 23:55.08 | Makuew | ascheel: Yes, i only made one primary and rest extended. |
| 23:55.12 | Makuew | but still same error |
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| 23:55.53 | buhman | wols: wols now I have: still doesn't seem to be working |
| 23:56.09 | wols | buhman: is there any reason to bridge? |
| 23:56.58 | buhman | wols: because too impatient to wait for my switches to arrive in the mail :P |
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| 23:57.26 | buhman | wols: so my workaround is a little odd |
| 23:58.01 | wols | all you need is ip forwarding and linux will act as a router, provided you have the proper routing set up |
| 23:58.22 | buhman | wols: I don't know if I do |
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| 23:58.38 | buhman | wols: the routing table doesn't have anything special on it (which I would assume is wrong) |
