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| 00:01.29 | bencc | themill: nullmailer will do it. thanks, learned many new things |
| 00:01.35 | spowers | i like nullmailer a lot! |
| 00:01.43 | bencc | Kamping_Kaiser: not sure. I might installed it before |
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| 00:18.48 | Soupermanito | hello, so i just installed debian xfce on a virtual box and im stuck at 800x600 |
| 00:18.55 | Soupermanito | how can i change the resolution? |
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| 00:20.08 | bencc | Soupermanito: did you install guest additions? |
| 00:20.48 | Soupermanito | shh dont say me to do obvious things i haven't already done, whats wrong whit you |
| 00:20.57 | Soupermanito | XD |
| 00:21.00 | bencc | :) |
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| 00:21.05 | Soupermanito | yeah i should probably do that |
| 00:21.17 | bencc | do you know how? |
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| 00:22.35 | Soupermanito | apparently dont, i need to sudo it, but im not part of the sudoers apparently |
| 00:22.53 | zapadlo | su - visudo |
| 00:23.03 | zapadlo | No wait, that won't work |
| 00:23.11 | zapadlo | su and then visudo |
| 00:23.27 | Soupermanito | oh i see |
| 00:24.31 | bencc | Soupermanito: I think it's better to install from the vbox iso (the top menu of the guest) and not the db packages |
| 00:25.33 | Soupermanito | thats what im doing |
| 00:25.46 | Soupermanito | i haven't even opened the db packages yet |
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| 00:26.16 | Soupermanito | doesnt seems to work tho |
| 00:26.18 | bencc | Soupermanito: usually I'm upgrading all packages first in case it installs a kernel too |
| 00:26.27 | Soupermanito | will try whit su and runing as root |
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| 00:27.33 | Soupermanito | not cool, i cant run the .run no matter what |
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| 00:29.33 | Soupermanito | ooooh /media/cdrom/ wont work, but /media/cdrom0/ will |
| 00:31.02 | Soupermanito | nope |
| 00:31.09 | Soupermanito | that wont work either |
| 00:31.16 | Soupermanito | this is rather dissapointing |
| 00:32.29 | bencc | you need to run as root |
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| 00:33.34 | teneightypea | What is the default action for Debian (or the kernel in general) when it receives unsolicited internet traffic on ports with nothing listening on them? |
| 00:33.44 | teneightypea | I assume it rejects it? |
| 00:33.48 | Soupermanito | if i su then all the files on /media/cdrom[0] are greyed out, not runable |
| 00:34.22 | teneightypea | Is it rejected silently or actively? |
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| 00:38.18 | stew | teneightypea: yes, by sending a RST |
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| 00:39.27 | Soupermanito | :( |
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| 00:39.50 | teneightypea | Cheers stew, is that iptables that sends the RST? |
| 00:40.37 | Makuew | can gparted make extended partitions with GPT label ? Because it shows out grey. and i need to make an extended partition of 6TB ? |
| 00:40.51 | stew | teneightypea: iptables will send the RST for -j REJECT, and ignore it completely for -j DROP |
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| 00:41.20 | teneightypea | I'm curious because I'm playing with iptables at the moment; was wondering if I could change the default to -j DROP |
| 00:42.26 | stew | in iptables you can, sure, either with a catch-all rule, or with -P |
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| 00:43.22 | teneightypea | Cool, thanks for the help :) |
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| 00:57.56 | Makuew | can gparted make extended partitions with GPT label ? Because it shows out grey. and i need to make an extended partition of 6TB ?¨' |
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| 01:00.33 | Soupermanito | gaahg this is getting really really anoying |
| 01:01.22 | Soupermanito | how do i add db packages? |
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| 01:03.06 | Soupermanito | ok you know what, nevermind, this is really not cool |
| 01:03.40 | Soupermanito | even if it takes more time i will figure out how to install the server on ubuntu |
| 01:03.46 | Soupermanito | thanks anyway |
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| 01:05.59 | stew | wonders what exactly "db packages" meant |
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| 01:06.41 | rue_mohr | would someone help me set up to re-release an old debian package? |
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| 01:08.15 | SgrA | test |
| 01:09.18 | stew | rue_mohr: if you have questions, just ask them |
| 01:09.28 | dijenerate | hi all |
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| 01:10.45 | dijenerate | I'm running lenny and I have plymouth installed which is working just fine however I still see the startup messages just before the plymouth splash screen and during the transition to X |
| 01:10.57 | dijenerate | additionally they are visible where VC 1 should be |
| 01:11.09 | dijenerate | any idea how to hide those and get back my VC1? |
| 01:11.23 | rue_mohr | stew, where have all the developers gone? |
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| 01:13.57 | MrFrood | rue_mohr: don't they have their own channel? |
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| 01:25.38 | nvictor | hi all |
| 01:25.46 | nvictor | what's that gnome keyring thing? |
| 01:26.04 | nvictor | and how do i disable or change things that has been stored in it? |
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| 01:28.50 | kfogel | Even using unetbootin, I can't seem to make a USB stick that my Dell XPS M1330 will boot from. I can get as far as the "SYSLINUX ... H. Peter Anvin" line (so I know it is trying to boot from the USB stick, instead of the hard drive, which has Ubuntu), but it never proceeds from there into a boot sequence; instead, it just hangs. In unetbootin, I've tried both Testing_netinstall and Testing_netinstall_x64. |
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| 01:31.05 | rhenani | hello guys |
| 01:31.09 | rhenani | i got problem using kenlive |
| 01:31.17 | __xD | hi |
| 01:31.19 | rhenani | when i press add clip |
| 01:31.22 | __xD | XD |
| 01:31.26 | __xD | :D |
| 01:31.43 | rhenani | then it opens the video but different |
| 01:32.10 | rhenani | like the video start from the end and end from the start |
| 01:32.15 | rhenani | when i open it with kdenlive |
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| 01:43.19 | nvz | kfogel: do you see the grub boot menu? |
| 01:43.57 | nvictor | ok fixed the keyring issue |
| 01:44.24 | nvictor | is there anything i can do about chrome not showing up in the internet submenu of the applications menu? |
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| 01:52.21 | rhenani | i got a proble m |
| 01:52.23 | rhenani | width kdenlive |
| 01:52.33 | rhenani | when i record my videos using recordmydesktop |
| 01:53.02 | rhenani | then i open them with kdenlive and the timeline it's so bad |
| 01:53.50 | kfogel | nvz: nope -- there's only one line, at the top of the screen, and it's the SYSLINUX line |
| 01:53.53 | kfogel | nvictor: no grub |
| 01:53.58 | kfogel | nvictor: sorry, wrong completion of nick |
| 01:54.00 | kfogel | nvz: no grub |
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| 02:01.59 | nvictor | kfogel: no problem |
| 02:02.16 | nvictor | kfogel: i would love to have an answer to my question too :) |
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| 02:03.08 | kfogel | nvictor: is chrome in any toolbar for you, or is it just invoked via cmdline right now? |
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| 02:04.34 | nvictor | kfogel: it does not appear anywhere |
| 02:04.42 | nvictor | kfogel: except when i click on a uri |
| 02:04.45 | kfogel | nvictor: I haven't done this, but I *think* if you right-click while over Applications menu, there is an Edit Menus option. Select that (then wait a moment for it to launch) and then you can add a New Item -- and you'll be able to type the path to chrome there. |
| 02:05.06 | nvictor | kfogel: i am trying that |
| 02:05.31 | kfogel | nvictor: oh, before you click New Item, first select Internet from the left-side panel. |
| 02:05.42 | kfogel | nvictor: the interface is confusing -- if you know that going in, you'll probably DTRT :-). |
| 02:06.17 | nvictor | kfogel: yes i figured out the interface, the only ick is that i don't know where chrome is |
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| 02:06.31 | carandraug | hi! I like the way one can have apache configuration files on /etc/apache2/conf.d. However, files there are global and seem to apply to all the sites I have. Is it possible to limit some of the files to the default-ssl site? |
| 02:06.35 | nvictor | which chrome returns nothing |
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| 02:08.10 | kfogel | nvictor: but when you click on a URL, it launches, right? |
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| 02:11.36 | nvictor | kfogel: yes it does |
| 02:11.50 | nvictor | kfogel: and even in prefered apps i see Google Chrome there |
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| 02:12.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | carandraug: put them in the default-ssl sites config file? |
| 02:13.15 | kfogel | nvictor: try "google-chrome" as the command ? |
| 02:13.27 | kfogel | nvictor: this is based on looking at http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/06/install-google-chrome-on-linux-and-why-you-should/ |
| 02:13.59 | nvz | kfogel: idk but it sounds like it misconfigures syslinux. sounds to me like you need to either go read the debian documentation on creating a USB installer and do it that way, or learn syslinux to fix what unetbootin does |
| 02:14.29 | nvictor | kfogel: worked :) |
| 02:14.54 | kfogel | nvz: <grin> Yeah. I started by doing it the deb documentation way, and then someone suggested unetbootin. I'll just keep poking at it. Thanks for looking, though -- appreciate it. |
| 02:15.01 | kfogel | nvictor: great! |
| 02:15.22 | nvictor | kfogel: where could it be? |
| 02:15.26 | carandraug | Kamping_Kaiser, yeah, I can do that, but the idea is to keep a separate file for each Directory on conf.d, like debian does when I install a package. And have those files actually being a link to /etc/site/apache.conf |
| 02:15.31 | kfogel | nvz: (I should say: I started doing it the standard USB installer way and that failed, and *then* someone suggested unetbootin) |
| 02:15.31 | nvictor | oh nvm which will tell me |
| 02:15.40 | kfogel | nvictor: regular "which" doesn't tell you? |
| 02:15.54 | taglass | You can just dd the iso to usb kfogel or some equivalent Windows programif you're doing from windows. |
| 02:15.55 | nvz | kfogel: idk I found USB to be too hit an miss.. I just use PXE these days |
| 02:16.06 | kfogel | nvz: PXE? what's that? |
| 02:16.17 | nvz | kfogel: install over the net |
| 02:16.32 | nvz | kfogel: I keep a PXE server on my netbook and just use that to "jump start" installs |
| 02:16.35 | kfogel | taglass: I'm doing from an existing Debian box. I tried dd'ing the ISO to the usb stick many times (different ISOs, etc), but never got something bootable. |
| 02:16.43 | kfogel | nvz: as in network boot? |
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| 02:17.37 | nvz | kfogel: yeah its fairly simple it uses DHCP and TFTP |
| 02:17.49 | taglass | kfogel: Might be a silly question, but are you dding to the raw device like sdc or to a partition like sdc1? |
| 02:17.51 | kfogel | nvz: may give that a try.... oh wait, I think it's working this time, whoa, whoa whoa! |
| 02:17.55 | kfogel | whooooooooooooooooooooooooot!!!!!! |
| 02:17.56 | kfogel | I'm in |
| 02:18.01 | nvz | kfogel: and once you get the hang of it you can setup firtually anything to boot off your PXE boot server |
| 02:18.02 | taglass | kfogel: grats |
| 02:18.06 | kfogel | nvz: well, dunno why this time was different, but it's working now |
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| 02:18.10 | kfogel | nvz: thanks for the PXE tips though. |
| 02:18.15 | kfogel | taglass: \o/ |
| 02:18.28 | nvz | kfogel: its hit and miss.. like I said, I've had the same issues with unetbootin.. sometimes it works, others it doesnt |
| 02:18.46 | nvz | kfogel: I used to think it was me not properly unmounting the drive.. but it seems its just random |
| 02:18.58 | nvz | got tired of the guess work and just learned to use PXE |
| 02:19.11 | nvz | and PXE has worked for me in many scenario's where USB wont |
| 02:19.23 | nvz | hell I've flashed BIOSes over PXE before |
| 02:20.10 | nvz | makes like a tree that tells bad jokes and leafs |
| 02:20.58 | carandraug | Kamping_Kaiser, I think I can create a separate directory, maybe /etc/apache2/conf-ssl.d, move the ssl specific files in there and use Include inside the default-ssl |
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| 02:21.41 | kfogel | nvz: *nod* When I have time to Learn A New Thing I will try PXE. |
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| 02:39.19 | NuclearMeltdown | I how I supress a kernel message that is showing up in ALL terminals? |
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| 02:51.05 | hojuruku | http://pastebin.com/Ngw71fzH debianizing my qmail source taken from gentoo (my custom ebuild) breaks things in a funny way. any ideas? anyone else build qmail on debian using the dpkg creator? |
| 02:51.27 | hojuruku | i mean build-qmail set of scripts to make dpkg's on custom source |
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| 02:57.35 | CarlFK | http://firecontrol.sourceforge.net/ is one .c build-depends: libraw1394-dev - what does it take to build a .deb? |
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| 03:00.25 | hojuruku | diff install.c ../../qmail-src-dist/qmail-1.03/install.c > install.c.patch - ah you debian guys patched qmail's installer binary BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE A SANDBOXING SYSTEM LIKE GENTOO. What a joke. |
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| 03:00.47 | rhenani | )] [1:freenode (change with ^X)] |
| 03:00.48 | rhenani | [(status)] |
| 03:00.57 | rhenani | Has anyone had an experience with importing ogg (ogv) files created with recordmydesktop into kdenlive all I get is a distorted grey mess when I do |
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| 03:01.57 | CarlFK | rhenani: i hear it has trouble with ogv, and vbr in partitcular. can you post one? |
| 03:02.50 | simonlnu | hojuruku: debian is a source-based distro either. |
| 03:02.54 | simonlnu | isn't* |
| 03:03.12 | rhenani | I'm trying to fix this problem, but the thing is that in my brother's computer it works fine |
| 03:03.17 | simonlnu | so i fail to see the point of your whining. |
| 03:03.25 | rhenani | he has same version as i do |
| 03:03.58 | simonlnu | rhenani: i've seen other people that had problems with the same combo. |
| 03:04.03 | CarlFK | simonlnu: people whine cuz it makes them feel good. at everyone else's expense. |
| 03:04.26 | rhenani | maybe because I have to install something else?? |
| 03:04.36 | simonlnu | no idea |
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| 03:04.56 | rhenani | =(! |
| 03:04.59 | CarlFK | rhenani: ffmpeg ilbs - always changing, so no way your brothers box is the same :) |
| 03:05.01 | simonlnu | CarlFK: to make packages, fyi: /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 03:05.38 | CarlFK | simonlnu: that gave me text... I want a .deb :) |
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| 03:06.07 | CarlFK | simonlnu: I have looked into packging stuff, and have never figured t out. |
| 03:06.32 | simonlnu | that's how you figure it out. read text. |
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| 03:07.23 | hojuruku | debian can build a whole system from source. You just do it wrong. I did it in 2004 ;) |
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| 03:08.48 | kfogel | .oO I did it in 2004 and it's still building... |
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| 03:09.42 | simonlnu | hojuruku: if you want gentoo, use gentoo. it doesn't give you the right to complain about debian not being like it. *because it isn't* |
| 03:10.29 | simonlnu | as for the rest of that, you can talk to my ignore log |
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| 03:14.40 | hojuruku | simolnu:announces the new debian policy. DONT REPORT BUGS! use other distributions. I thought linux gets better by people pointingout weaknesses here and there and people writing patches. |
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| 03:17.00 | hojuruku | diff install.c ../../qmail-src-dist/qmail-1.03/install.c > install.c.patch a one liner backporting debians replacement for a sandboxing system. fakeroot doesn't count as a sandbox. you have to hack the original source alot just to use dpkg... qmail compiles fine. Qmail doesn't compile for dpkg. No wonder half the howtos on the internet from the debian faithful have people installing directly and leaving qmail out of dependancies / dpkg. |
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| 03:21.06 | nvictor | hey |
| 03:21.21 | nvictor | debian thinks my password is too simple, can i force it on it? |
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| 03:22.18 | Arrowmaster | this a fresh install? |
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| 03:23.15 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think by default there were any restrictions on password complexity |
| 03:23.29 | nvictor | Arrowmaster: not a fresh install |
| 03:23.48 | nvictor | Arrowmaster: a vm, and it even came with a password simpler than mine (password) |
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| 03:24.04 | nvictor | mine contains numbers, how can it be simpler? |
| 03:24.30 | Arrowmaster | so somebody else already configured the system? they probably enabled one of the pam modules that forces complex passwords |
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| 03:26.37 | EM03 | is there any way to use a port system like on bsd on debian? |
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| 03:28.33 | tensorpudding | you could port such a system to work on debian but it would almost surely lead to conflicts |
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| 03:29.31 | EM03 | sure i understand |
| 03:29.55 | EM03 | also ....i need a package that is in testing but i am on stable |
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| 03:32.22 | simonlnu | it's enabled by default (password enforcing) |
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| 03:33.18 | simonlnu | !ssb |
| 03:33.18 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 03:33.21 | simonlnu | EM03: ^^^ |
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| 03:35.56 | hojuruku | dpkg-deb: building package `qmail' in `../qmail_1.03-47.10_amd64.deb'. It seems that all went ok (only after the sysadmin reformed debian guru had to patch the source for no other reason other than to make dpkg build scripts happy) |
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| 03:37.44 | GTRsdk | how do I create a .deb? |
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| 03:41.08 | taglass | GTRsdk: The first step is reading the fine documentation at www.debian.org. People didn't spend the time creating it just so they could excersise their fingers. |
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| 03:42.42 | taglass | Sorry if that sounds a little harsh, but broad questions like that make it look like you haven't evern tried to help yourself. |
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| 03:43.12 | GTRsdk | taglass, I want to build a .deb for debian and Ubuntu. Would a ppa work for both? |
| 03:43.50 | taglass | GTRsdk: I believe launchpad suppors debian PPAs yes. |
| 03:45.10 | wols_ | !nmg |
| 03:45.12 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 03:45.34 | GTRsdk | taglass, so if I am trying to test it by using Firefox, how do I get th e.mk to work? |
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| 03:46.53 | wols_ | !ops SailorReaIity [tau@bb219-74-223-194.singnet.com.sg is spamming people who talk for the first time in hours |
| 03:46.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols_ complains about: SailorReaIity [tau@bb219-74-223-194.singnet.com.sg is spamming people who talk for the first time in hours |
| 03:47.44 | mentor | ⦠|
| 03:47.54 | GTRsdk | is that person even here? |
| 03:48.02 | mentor | there he is |
| 03:48.28 | NuclearMeltdown | How do I make ssh start at boot? |
| 03:48.32 | mentor | They aren't, must be using a scout bot |
| 03:48.34 | wols_ | I was asleep for the last few hors and the above factoid was the first thing in hours I wrote on irc. immediately I get a PM |
| 03:48.49 | NuclearMeltdown | I'm new to debian. I would like to find some documentation to find that information but where is it |
| 03:48.51 | mentor | /clone |
| 03:48.58 | wols_ | NuclearMeltdown: it does by default |
| 03:49.06 | Arrowmaster | test |
| 03:49.12 | NuclearMeltdown | well then how do you adjust what starts? |
| 03:49.16 | NuclearMeltdown | in gentoo we have rc-update |
| 03:49.30 | simonlnu | !update-rc.d |
| 03:49.31 | dpkg | update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. For front-ends, ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <bum>. See also <insserv>. |
| 03:49.38 | GTRsdk | wols_, I got a message from that person too |
| 03:49.40 | NuclearMeltdown | thanks |
| 03:50.36 | NuclearMeltdown | Oh SailorRealIity is actually a bot that is believed to be controlled by "Tau" |
| 03:50.41 | NuclearMeltdown | I got the message too |
| 03:50.50 | NuclearMeltdown | Tau will pretent to help get the bot banned |
| 03:50.59 | GTRsdk | #calculus person, I think |
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| 04:11.40 | rhenani | Has anyone had an experience with importing ogg (ogv) files created with recordmydesktop into kdenlive all I get is a distorted grey mess when I do |
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| 04:14.05 | werdan7 | . |
| 04:14.26 | GTRsdk | werdan7, did you get a pm from SailorReaIlity? |
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| 04:15.03 | werdan7 | nope |
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| 04:17.08 | GTRsdk | *SailorReaIity |
| 04:18.04 | taglass | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:20.11 | rhenani | hello guys |
| 04:20.20 | arn | hey |
| 04:20.21 | rhenani | i had windows 7 and debian as operating system |
| 04:20.32 | rhenani | the thing is that i deleted the partitions where windows was |
| 04:20.38 | rue_mohr | you need to get rid of windows |
| 04:20.47 | rhenani | but some how it was linked with the boot and linux |
| 04:20.47 | rue_mohr | so whats your porblem? |
| 04:20.55 | rhenani | and know i can't boot my machine |
| 04:20.59 | rhenani | now |
| 04:21.00 | rue_mohr | at all? |
| 04:21.05 | rhenani | i can not boot the machine |
| 04:21.08 | rhenani | it gives this error: |
| 04:21.12 | GTRsdk | rhenani, did you have anything important that cannot be replaced? |
| 04:21.19 | rue_mohr | Rheault, |
| 04:21.33 | rue_mohr | to fix it, boot the disk, and go into recovery mode |
| 04:21.53 | rhenani | GTRsdk: In windows not |
| 04:21.56 | rue_mohr | it just needs to know what partition is your root fs |
| 04:22.04 | rhenani | GTRsdk: In Debian yed |
| 04:22.16 | rhenani | rue_mohr: ohh do you mean linux recovery mode?? |
| 04:22.25 | rue_mohr | from the install disk, yes |
| 04:22.31 | GTRsdk | rhenani, then can you boot off of the live disc (I think there is one)? |
| 04:22.53 | rue_mohr | the install disk has a recovery mode |
| 04:23.33 | rhenani | rue_mohr: yes it does do you want me to go there then?? |
| 04:23.40 | rue_mohr | sure |
| 04:24.00 | rhenani | GTRsdk: ?? |
| 04:24.28 | rue_mohr | o |
| 04:24.37 | rue_mohr | did you use a cd to install debian? |
| 04:24.51 | rhenani | rue_mohr: yes |
| 04:24.54 | rhenani | 6.0.1 |
| 04:24.55 | rhenani | squeze |
| 04:25.01 | rhenani | well it was an iso |
| 04:25.03 | rue_mohr | boot the cd |
| 04:25.16 | rue_mohr | one of the menu options is 'recovery mode' |
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| 04:25.21 | rue_mohr | or 'advanced' |
| 04:25.24 | rue_mohr | dont remember |
| 04:25.30 | owen1 | I can't hear sound from my TV when connecting my laptop via HDMI cable. thinkpad x120e, audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40), kernel: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 opening alsamixer and hitting F6, i see: HD-Audio Generic and HDA ATI SB. I tried switching to HD-Audio Generic and i see a square that say: s/pdif. still no audio. any tips? |
| 04:25.58 | rue_mohr | owen1, see if it works under knoppix, |
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| 04:26.07 | rue_mohr | if so, find out what drivers knoppix is using |
| 04:26.13 | rhenani | rue_mohr: ya ya that will fix the problem then?? |
| 04:26.38 | rue_mohr | rhenani, then you re-install grub or whatever |
| 04:26.48 | rue_mohr | then you can boot linux again |
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| 04:27.46 | GTRsdk | rhenani, sorry. I don't know much about Debian |
| 04:28.31 | owen1 | rue_mohr: thanks, i'll download knoppix |
| 04:28.46 | rhenani | GTRsdk: it's ok thanks any way |
| 04:29.10 | wisconsin | how does apt resolve disjunctions in depends? |
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| 04:31.14 | rue_mohr | it tells you that every package on your system needs to be removed |
| 04:31.27 | rue_mohr | thats what it does for me, anyhow |
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| 04:37.33 | wols_ | rue_mohr: tried fglrx? |
| 04:37.53 | rue_mohr | I dont have the problem |
| 04:38.07 | wols_ | oh right, owen1 does |
| 04:38.16 | rue_mohr | :) |
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| 04:38.30 | Mokstar | Howdy folks |
| 04:38.51 | wols_ | rhenani: which error? |
| 04:39.05 | somiaj | wisconsin: depends on which apt, apt-get and aptitude both use different intelligence to figure out dependency problems. But not sure on the details if it uses the first in the list or goes though and sees the effect of installing any in the list and picks what it seems is the best. |
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| 04:45.34 | uabn93 | is there a package similar to restricted-extras in debian? |
| 04:47.41 | wisconsin | somiaj, just checked, apt-get uses first in any disjunction it finds in depth first search through dependencies |
| 04:48.50 | wisconsin | somiaj, i have a package that depends on fontconfig-config (which depends on ttf-x, ttf-y, ttf-z) and also specifically depends on ttf-y |
| 04:49.27 | wisconsin | so that depends: ttf-y needs to come before the depends: fontconfig-config (actually libgtk2) |
| 04:50.32 | somiaj | uabn93: what does the package restricted-extras do? |
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| 04:52.26 | somiaj | wisconsin: you should check aptitude it might have a bit better intelligence. |
| 04:53.06 | nvictor | any python programmer around? |
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| 04:54.23 | rue_mohr | did you check #python? |
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| 04:55.19 | wols_ | uabn93: no. there is a non-free repository tho |
| 04:55.25 | uabn93 | somiaj: installs adobe flash, mp3 codecs (i think), and other stuff |
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| 04:56.46 | uabn93 | wols_: do you know it? |
| 04:56.47 | somiaj | uabn93: Yes we do have meta-packages, but I cannot think of a standard non-free one. Just install what you need from the non-free sources. |
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| 04:57.54 | wols_ | !tell uabn93 about non-free |
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| 04:59.26 | rue_mohr | ok, will someone please tell me how to compile xcalc the debian way? |
| 05:00.34 | somiaj | rue_mohr: what do you mean? do you want to modify the sources? /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 05:00.35 | rue_mohr | apt-get source xcalc; ... |
| 05:00.47 | wisconsin | somiaj, aptitude has the same behaviour for that |
| 05:01.05 | rue_mohr | aha |
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| 05:02.23 | wisconsin | somiaj, if you're wondering.. i'm burning a cd with all the packages i need to apt-get install the packages i want.. so it helps to know how apt-get figures the dependencies :-) |
| 05:03.28 | Arrowmaster | theres a tool for that |
| 05:03.37 | Arrowmaster | !apt-file |
| 05:03.37 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 05:03.41 | rue_mohr | wisconsin, oooh |
| 05:03.42 | Arrowmaster | er |
| 05:03.49 | Arrowmaster | !apt-offline |
| 05:04.00 | Arrowmaster | what? no factoid? |
| 05:05.17 | wols_ | !apt offline |
| 05:05.18 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>. |
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| 05:06.54 | wisconsin | Arrowmaster, i don't want all the packages i've ever installed, just a selection, with dependencies |
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| 05:07.27 | Arrowmaster | right, try those 3 tools mentioned |
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| 05:08.21 | rue_mohr | hmm is there a thing for taking package source and making a deb ? |
| 05:08.39 | wisconsin | rue_mohr, dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 05:08.39 | somiaj | rue_mohr: did you read the factoid /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 05:08.44 | rue_mohr | yes |
| 05:08.48 | rue_mohr | that got it compiled |
| 05:08.59 | somiaj | rue_mohr: it compiles it into a package. |
| 05:08.59 | rue_mohr | now I'm intersted in how a deb is made |
| 05:09.10 | rue_mohr | uh, it just compiled the app |
| 05:09.17 | rue_mohr | maybe I missed soemthing |
| 05:09.28 | wols_ | rue_mohr: how did you compile it? |
| 05:09.28 | somiaj | rue_mohr: if you followed the instructions you should have a deb sitting in the top most dir ../ from where you ran the program |
| 05:09.34 | wols_ | rue_mohr: with what command? |
| 05:10.25 | uabn93 | wols_: when i run aptitude update, why does it tell me to insert the debian cd? |
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| 05:10.42 | wols_ | uabn93: you have a cdrom entry in your sources.list |
| 05:11.53 | rue_mohr | aptitude build-dep gcalctool; apt-get -b source gcalctool; cd gcalctool-5.30.2; ./confgure; ./make |
| 05:12.04 | rue_mohr | wait, I see something went different here |
| 05:12.16 | wols_ | rue_mohr: you did it wrong |
| 05:12.23 | rue_mohr | it got hte source and left me with it where you thought it should make me a package |
| 05:12.51 | rue_mohr | wait, this dodn't make sense |
| 05:12.59 | somiaj | rue_mohr: you didn't follow the instructions correct, you need to use apt-buildpackage or debian/rules |
| 05:13.11 | rue_mohr | the ssbp only gets you the source, it dosnt' build it |
| 05:13.38 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.47 | rue_mohr | ^^ where does it say apt-buildpackage |
| 05:14.06 | uabn93 | wols_, main contrib non-free was added but what do i need to do next |
| 05:14.28 | wols_ | uabn93: you need to install whatever you want frm those repositories |
| 05:14.34 | rue_mohr | haha I dont eeven have apt-buildpackage |
| 05:14.45 | somiaj | rue_mohr: correct, did that factoid eversay run ./configure; ./make? |
| 05:14.57 | rue_mohr | zippo:/files/programming/src# apt-file search apt-buildpackage |
| 05:14.57 | rue_mohr | zippo:/files/programming/src# |
| 05:15.08 | rue_mohr | well its obvious steps to compiling it |
| 05:15.09 | somiaj | rue_mohr: sorry apt-get -b <foo> is where the package is built |
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| 05:15.11 | wols_ | rue_mohr: man apt-get read it more carefully what -b and source do |
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| 05:17.29 | rue_mohr | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `distclean'.... hmm |
| 05:17.59 | wols_ | rue_mohr: after you ran "apt-get -b source <blah> it already compiled a package for you... |
| 05:18.48 | wols_ | and if you want to do it manually: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:19.01 | Fudge | hi, after adding sources to my list how do i import the key that launchpad [provides, in ubuntu i just use apt-add-repo |
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| 05:19.27 | wols_ | Fudge: what launchpad? |
| 05:19.29 | rue_mohr | hmm |
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| 05:19.36 | rue_mohr | tries a redo |
| 05:19.54 | wols_ | rue_mohr: have you actually looked for the .deb yet? and if not, why not? |
| 05:20.03 | rue_mohr | I screwed up |
| 05:20.29 | rue_mohr | I'm trying againn after a cleanup |
| 05:21.12 | Fudge | https://launchpad.net/~dusek/+archive/spd-daily |
| 05:21.41 | rue_mohr | *blink* did it just install it too? |
| 05:21.58 | wols_ | no it does not. you must run dpkg -i to install it. no other way |
| 05:22.15 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 05:22.26 | rue_mohr | good |
| 05:22.56 | rue_mohr | ok so if I modify something, and want to recompile... |
| 05:23.20 | rue_mohr | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:23.22 | rue_mohr | ? |
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| 05:24.33 | somiaj | sure, you can also run debian/rules binary script as well since the debian/ dir will be in your source |
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| 05:24.43 | somiaj | also jsut do apt-get source (-b is the build flag) |
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| 05:25.29 | rue_mohr | whats rules do? |
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| 05:26.09 | wisconsin | rue_mohr, rules makes the packages |
| 05:26.20 | somiaj | rue_mohr: its the script used to build debian packages. |
| 05:27.49 | rue_mohr | hmm didn't work when run from its deirectory |
| 05:28.02 | wisconsin | rue_mohr, what's the error? |
| 05:28.25 | rue_mohr | it chened when I called it a dir back, where should I run it from? |
| 05:28.36 | wisconsin | it chened? |
| 05:28.38 | somiaj | rue_mohr: may have to use fakeroot, as a user needs some root ability to create package (it requires changing permisisions of files) |
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| 05:29.23 | rue_mohr | http://www.pastebin.ca/2070750 |
| 05:29.39 | rue_mohr | codepad is broken eh? |
| 05:29.49 | wisconsin | somiaj, but fakeroot isn't really root. why is it still needed? |
| 05:30.29 | rue_mohr | oops, running it a dir back was bad |
| 05:30.30 | wols_ | rue_mohr: cd /files/programming/src/gcalctool-5.30.2/ && dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:30.43 | somiaj | wisconsin: a user cannot change permisions on files (even if they are hidden inside the package) -- that is what fakeroot is needed for. |
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| 05:31.01 | rue_mohr | ah sweet |
| 05:31.04 | rue_mohr | no |
| 05:31.22 | wols_ | !tell rue_mohr about errors |
| 05:31.39 | rue_mohr | chmod: cannot access `/files/programming/src/gcalctool-5.30.2/./configure': No such file or directory |
| 05:31.42 | wisconsin | somiaj, but fakeroot still doesn't change the permissions, because it's not really root. |
| 05:31.42 | rue_mohr | odd... |
| 05:32.06 | rue_mohr | huh, configure is gone... |
| 05:32.16 | wols_ | rue_mohr: remove your gcalctool-5.30.2 directory completely. rerun apt-get source gcalctool and try again |
| 05:32.38 | wols_ | rue_mohr: you probably totally botched up that source by now with your wild flailing around |
| 05:32.39 | rue_mohr | yea I think I blew it up |
| 05:32.44 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 05:32.47 | somiaj | wisconsin: from the manpage, "fakeroot runs a command in an environment wherein it appears to have root privileges for file manipulation. This is useful for allowing users to create archives (tar, ar, .deb etc.) with files in them with root permissions/ownership. Without fakeroot one would need to have root privileges to create the constituent files of the archives with the correct permissions and ownership." |
| 05:33.12 | wisconsin | somiaj, oic, it's to trick achivers :-) |
| 05:33.18 | cyberpal | Is there some method / instructions for installing debian 6 from within Ubuntu? |
| 05:33.29 | wols_ | !tell cyberpal about debootstrap |
| 05:33.38 | somiaj | wisconsin: or give users teh ability to build archives/packages without the nessissaty for real root access |
| 05:34.20 | rue_mohr | !tell wols_ about patience |
| 05:34.21 | rue_mohr | :) |
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| 05:35.11 | rue_mohr | for everything thing you ask me to do, I'v done 7, pasting the results of what didn't work takes me a min :) |
| 05:36.08 | rue_mohr | chmod: cannot access `/files/programming/src/gcalctool-5.30.2/./configure': No such file or directory |
| 05:36.12 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 05:36.18 | rue_mohr | that was fresh |
| 05:36.32 | rue_mohr | hmm |
| 05:37.35 | rue_mohr | hmm the first -b is deleting the confugure script |
| 05:37.57 | cyberpal | wols_: thanks - I've already downloaded the Debian 6 Live-Cd, I just don't want to reboot into it. |
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| 05:38.47 | wols_ | cyberpal: live cds aren't for installing. debian is not ubuntu. and debootstrap is not trivial to use to create a proper installation. read the install manual. /msg dpkg ig |
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| 05:39.34 | rue_mohr | :/ I have inflicted a simple source change and cant recompile the package with it |
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| 05:39.49 | rue_mohr | (I changed a string) |
| 05:40.09 | wols_ | !tell rue_mohr about errors |
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| 05:40.55 | rue_mohr | ok fair enough, lets start a little lower, to recompile after changing the source, I shoudl execute the command ____________ |
| 05:41.13 | wols_ | dpkg-buildpackage. do NOT use -b when running apt-get source |
| 05:41.25 | rue_mohr | ah! |
| 05:41.29 | rue_mohr | ok, 1 min |
| 05:41.52 | wols_ | and next time you run dpkg-buildpackage for the first time, paste ALL the output |
| 05:42.14 | rue_mohr | dont be frustrated, your doing great |
| 05:43.19 | arn | (test) |
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| 05:43.30 | rue_mohr | arn, pong |
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| 05:43.42 | arn | thanks :) |
| 05:44.28 | rue_mohr | wols_, :) dpkg made a deb, right? |
| 05:44.32 | rue_mohr | ... where is it... |
| 05:44.53 | wols_ | no, dpkg installs packages, it doesn't build them, dpkg-buildpackage does. and the .deb is in .. |
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| 05:45.04 | rue_mohr | ah! |
| 05:45.06 | rue_mohr | ok! |
| 05:45.22 | rue_mohr | lets try me change }:) |
| 05:46.46 | rue_mohr | SWEEEEEET |
| 05:46.58 | somiaj | so you were running dpkg NOT dpkg-buildpackage even though you were told numerous times that is the command to use? |
| 05:46.59 | rue_mohr | wols_, if you didn't already know, you rock. |
| 05:47.21 | rue_mohr | no I was, but you cant use apt-get -b source if you want ot recompile later |
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| 05:47.38 | somiaj | if you don't want to patch the source first |
| 05:47.43 | rue_mohr | if you want to modify and make a package, you lose the -b and use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:47.57 | rue_mohr | the two dont work togethor |
| 05:48.14 | rue_mohr | I think apt-get sorce applies patches no? |
| 05:48.21 | wols_ | yes |
| 05:48.29 | rue_mohr | ok... |
| 05:48.34 | rue_mohr | looks at somiaj |
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| 05:49.34 | rue_mohr | sun wrote the documentation for gcalctool? ???? |
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| 05:49.55 | rue_mohr | ok anyhow |
| 05:49.57 | rue_mohr | cool |
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| 05:51.07 | rue_mohr | so! |
| 05:51.21 | rue_mohr | that brings me to a more true blue debian question! |
| 05:52.14 | rue_mohr | if I want to modify a package and release it, as long as its under gnu, I'm prettymuch open to doing that provided I follow the creditation rules yes? |
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| 05:52.36 | wols_ | no. you're free to do that if you follow the license |
| 05:53.18 | rue_mohr | debian/copyright? |
| 05:53.29 | wols_ | GPL goes above "creditation": you must provide the source upon request for up to 3 years. basically, to be sure, just put source and binary both inside the same archive and let people download that |
| 05:54.02 | rue_mohr | huh, gcalctoool isn't fully gpl |
| 05:54.21 | rue_mohr | an gpl... |
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| 05:54.40 | rue_mohr | right I need to make source available ofcourse |
| 05:54.59 | wols_ | what part of it isn't GPL? I can't find any other license in its source files so far |
| 05:55.32 | rue_mohr | it sounded like its copygright sun micro at the start, then it says its all free gpl |
| 05:56.01 | rue_mohr | "foreverything not listed below..." |
| 05:56.02 | wols_ | yes and the kernel is copyright linus torvalds, it's still GPL |
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| 05:56.15 | wols_ | where does it talk about sun exactly? which file? |
| 05:56.55 | rue_mohr | qsoryr, I'm reading debian/copyright |
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| 06:00.59 | rue_mohr | if I wanted to debianize one of my own programs,... are there tools or a process doc? |
| 06:01.02 | rue_mohr | templates? |
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| 06:01.36 | rue_mohr | how does one submit a package to the repository? |
| 06:02.13 | rue_mohr | there is no hello_world package, amazing |
| 06:02.23 | superlinux | hi. I have made a shell script. i want to run in runlevel 2. how can I add it? |
| 06:02.30 | rue_mohr | such a popular program and its not in the debian repository |
| 06:02.37 | somiaj | rue_mohr: look up debian matainer in google. You have to go though an intensive qualitifaction and then only get the rights to your paticular package. |
| 06:02.48 | srart | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 06:02.49 | MrFrood | wols_: rue_mohr: gpl is a document licensing the use of copyright material - in order for it to be licensed someone has to own it |
| 06:02.59 | rue_mohr | superlinux, you put it in /etc/init.d and make a link in the rc2.d dir to it |
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| 06:03.31 | somiaj | superlinux: you can use /etc/rc.local as well, or put it in /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d to put it in the desired run levels |
| 06:03.57 | rue_mohr | my last comment was in regards to source origionally authored by me |
| 06:04.19 | superlinux | rue_mohr, i did. but it does not work although it had chmod +x. |
| 06:04.36 | somiaj | superlinux: use update-rc.d to put the desired link in /etc/rc2.d |
| 06:04.52 | rue_mohr | superlinux, whats the link name in rc2.d? |
| 06:05.03 | rue_mohr | S99kyoufile ? |
| 06:05.42 | superlinux | i the link name is S03link_xorg and the script is link_xorg |
| 06:06.21 | wols_ | !tell superlinux about rc.local |
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| 06:08.22 | spenca | hi i have an important message to everyone here at debian |
| 06:08.51 | spenca | Anonymous has a grave announcement to make to all users of the World Wide Web. The Internet you have come to take for granted has once again come under attack. Several interest groups have been successfully lobbying to consolidate internet censorship within the United States. They are rallying for the right to forcibly remove any websites they deem "inappropriate" and, ultimately, remove any content that disagrees with their profit m |
| 06:08.54 | superlinux | wols ok. just to inform: this script switches between xorg driver nvdia driver and the proprietary nvidia driver according to the kernel running. |
| 06:09.11 | wols_ | superlinux: I'd use rc.local |
| 06:09.52 | spenca | This new initiative is called the PROTECT IP Act: This bill would allow the US Government to force ISPs and search engines to censor websites they do not like under the guise of "copyright protection." Instead of reducing piracy, this bill endangers the free flow of information. Through domain seizures, ISP blockades, search engine censorship, and the restriction of funding to websites accused of infringement, this bill promises to t |
| 06:09.53 | wols_ | tho, it might be tricky: gdm/dm runs at the same time as rc.local I think. at least it did in lenny. dunno how it works with squeeze and insserv now. |
| 06:10.06 | wols_ | spenca: please stay on topic or go away |
| 06:10.19 | spenca | i'm going away i just had to drop that little tidbit of news |
| 06:10.27 | spenca | hey is debian opensourcce? |
| 06:10.29 | superlinux | wols_, ok. |
| 06:10.29 | wols_ | spam elsewhere kiddie |
| 06:10.38 | spenca | no seriously |
| 06:10.39 | wols_ | spenca: www.debian.org |
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| 06:10.49 | spenca | open source? |
| 06:10.53 | wols_ | yes |
| 06:11.02 | rue_mohr | wols_, 8-S wow, is there anyone you know online that can help walk me thru making one of my simple programs into a package? |
| 06:11.18 | wols_ | rue_mohr: no. /msg dpkg nmg |
| 06:12.21 | rue_mohr | thats what has me cross eyed right now |
| 06:12.49 | rue_mohr | this is about how to do big programs that have been developed by someone else and have patches |
| 06:12.54 | rue_mohr | my programs are 1 source file |
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| 06:15.43 | rue_mohr | The program should be well documented and its code needs to be understandable (i.e. not obfuscated). <--- uh, hmm, based on the code I'v seen for every package.... nobody is following that one |
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| 06:24.45 | Neosat | Hello |
| 06:24.49 | hashi | hi I was the person who had the libdvdcss problem with the hal not getting the auto instead of noauto in /etc/fstab with that done i watched a few episodes of one dvd but found that when totem ejected that dvd i could not mount any other dvd and in fact i cannot reload the original dvd |
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| 06:24.55 | hashi | hi Neosat |
| 06:25.10 | Neosat | I have install ssh on my debian distro 6.0 and when I try to connect I get: key_verify failed for server_host_key |
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| 06:25.45 | rue_mohr | Neosat, does it also say about a conflicting key in one of your record files? |
| 06:26.12 | Neosat | No: RSA_public_decrypt failed: error:0407006A:rsa routines:RSA_padding_check_PKCS1_type_1:block type is not 01 |
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| 06:27.26 | rue_mohr | oh, cant help there |
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| 06:28.40 | Neosat | does anyone had similar problem? |
| 06:28.54 | wols_ | Neosat: what client do you use to connect? |
| 06:29.01 | Neosat | PUTTY |
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| 06:29.15 | hashi | nevermind all I will surf around forums maybe |
| 06:29.17 | Neosat | but I have try also from other debian machines with ssh |
| 06:29.39 | Neosat | got the same |
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| 06:30.28 | wols_ | purge your ssh server, reinstall it and try again |
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| 06:30.40 | wols_ | after purging make sure /etc/ssh* is all deleted |
| 06:30.43 | Neosat | Did that but still the same |
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| 06:35.51 | rue_mohr | wonder how to become an official developer... |
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| 06:36.32 | somiaj | points rue_mohr to google |
| 06:36.42 | superlinux | hi, there is a command that can let me pipe the output of tty1 to X11. what is't? |
| 06:36.48 | rue_mohr | mh |
| 06:36.52 | rue_mohr | mhm |
| 06:37.07 | somiaj | superlinux: what do you mean by pipe the output to X11? |
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| 06:37.30 | rue_mohr | the curve is too steep right now, I dont even know how to make a manpage for my app |
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| 06:38.04 | ompaul | rue_mohr: somiaj meant type in this query, "how to become a debian developer" |
| 06:38.05 | superlinux | somiaj, like you are running something on tty1 and you want the output to be passed to X11 |
| 06:38.30 | rue_mohr | yea, I'm considering the feasability of trying |
| 06:38.39 | somiaj | superlinux: what output? |
| 06:38.51 | superlinux | somiaj, stdout |
| 06:38.59 | rue_mohr | i'm being intimmidated out of releasing my program as a debian package |
| 06:39.17 | somiaj | superlinux: so what does X11 do with this output? You can run an application in X from a console by setting the DISPLAY variable correctally |
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| 06:39.30 | somiaj | superlinux: DISPLAY=":0.0" app_to_run_in_X |
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| 06:39.55 | somiaj | superlinux: but I don't know what you expect X11 to do with the stdout of a program, it isn't really setup to take commands that way. |
| 06:40.05 | ompaul | rue_mohr: you seem to be proficiant at typing, you have found IRC, but at a guess I think you could find a web browser and use that as your guide. The fact you have code written, publish it under the gpl if anyone wants to use it then they might just might package it for you. |
| 06:40.10 | superlinux | oh yes! i think have to : cat /dev/tty1 on my shell |
| 06:41.06 | superlinux | somiaj, i want a screen shot of what is on my tty1 |
| 06:41.12 | superlinux | that's really what i want |
| 06:41.21 | somiaj | superlinux: what is it you are trying to do? (besides just pipe stuff from tty1 to x11) -- almost sounds like you are running x via startx and want to see the errors of what is printed on tty1 from X |
| 06:41.43 | superlinux | somiaj, this is one of the options |
| 06:42.02 | somiaj | superlinux: pipe the output of the program you want to a file, and then cat that file from your terminal in X. |
| 06:42.30 | ompaul | rue_mohr: and the internet has the info on how to make that into a package, so why be intimidated by following a recipe |
| 06:42.53 | rue_mohr | ompaul, just cause there are docs written on how to do everything dos't mean any of them are of use to someone who has never done anyhng and is trying to do something in particular |
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| 06:43.04 | superlinux | somiaj, I want the whole tty screen. not just currently running executable |
| 06:43.15 | somiaj | superlinux: for example I run startx with a wrapper with "exec /usr/bin/startx 2> /home/jaimos/.xsession-errors" -- that pipes all the output from startx (including errors) to the file .xsession-errors, I then just cat/tail that file if Iw ant the output |
| 06:43.43 | rue_mohr | ompaul, most of this document dosn't apply to what I want to start with, there is a point within it I'm not sure what does and dosn't apply to what I want to do |
| 06:43.53 | rue_mohr | I have one C file now |
| 06:44.02 | rue_mohr | I can make a makefile for it |
| 06:44.19 | rue_mohr | I dont know how to write a manpage for it, I could work on that |
| 06:44.19 | somiaj | superlinux: I can't think of anyway to get the memeory of what you see on tty1 -- maybe google might help. Another option is use screen on tty1 to run your apps, then just connect to that screen from a terminal. |
| 06:44.35 | rue_mohr | I'd have to jump thru hoop to become debain developer |
| 06:45.01 | rue_mohr | and I'd ahve to sort out what files in the filesystem for making a deb apply to me or not |
| 06:45.14 | rue_mohr | which is where I think I'd be totally lost |
| 06:45.22 | ompaul | !mentors |
| 06:45.23 | dpkg | [mentors] the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 06:45.24 | rue_mohr | from what I'v read so far |
| 06:45.43 | ompaul | well you will need those skills |
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| 06:45.51 | rue_mohr | I have a day job ya know |
| 06:45.55 | rue_mohr | I'm an electrcian |
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| 06:46.03 | rue_mohr | I build robots when I get home from work |
| 06:46.37 | rue_mohr | its not worth me spending 20+ hours to create a package for an app I wrote |
| 06:46.42 | rue_mohr | even if its a really good one |
| 06:47.02 | superlinux | somiaj, solution: fbgrab and fbcat |
| 06:47.09 | ompaul | rue_mohr: Congratulations, your just fitting the profile of a troll right now. |
| 06:47.17 | somiaj | superlinux: if you use a framebuffer, (: |
| 06:47.27 | rue_mohr | ah, sorry, i'll fix that |
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| 06:47.45 | ompaul | can't read docs cos won't read docs |
| 06:47.49 | ompaul | growls |
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| 07:19.42 | JyZyXEL | why does 'free' only show about 3300MB of available memory on a machine with 4096MB RAM? |
| 07:20.27 | f00li5h | maybe some of it is in use |
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| 07:20.51 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 07:20.53 | JyZyXEL | no it says it under Total |
| 07:20.56 | f00li5h | although i believe chunks appear as allocated when they have been given back... 'wired' i think |
| 07:21.23 | f00li5h | hmm, is it the 1000 vs 1024 bs again? |
| 07:21.53 | gypsymauro | I've just virtualized a server that had raid sw on vmware, a debian etch, if I boot with a live distro (ubuntu) I can see the content of the disks but I dunno how to repair initrd image to see the new LSI controller, can someone help me? |
| 07:22.01 | JyZyXEL | you mean binary prefix versus SI prefix, no |
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| 07:23.17 | JyZyXEL | on a machine with 2GiB of installed ram i see 2018MB Total memory |
| 07:23.33 | JyZyXEL | makes no sense that with 4GiB you'd only have about 3300MB |
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| 07:24.22 | srart | cd |
| 07:24.29 | JyZyXEL | where is the 700MB goin |
| 07:25.15 | f00li5h | ebay, perhaps |
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| 07:26.24 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: you can only address so much memory depending on the kernel (32 bit has limitations)...but there are HighMem options you can use in your kernel to be able to address the missing parts. |
| 07:26.39 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: check dmesg, and you should see how it says its not registering the highmem portion |
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| 07:27.41 | JyZyXEL | http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
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| 07:36.59 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: run a bigmem kernel. your cpu by default has only 32bit address space and PCI mapped memory takes up up to a GB or so (depending on videoram mainly). with a bigmem kernel, linux can use the currently "lost" memory via PAE |
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| 07:43.14 | JyZyXEL | wols_: oh i see, thank you |
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| 07:44.42 | kinky | JyZyXEL: it could be that the bigmem-kernel is called otherwise in other distributions, eg. *-pae (physical address extension) |
| 07:44.48 | sebi | hya |
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| 07:45.26 | JyZyXEL | im guessing that using a normal -amd64 kernel wouldn't have this problem |
| 07:45.45 | sebi | one question: why does the package "tzdata" have a "Replaces: libc0.1, libc0.3, libc6, libc6.1" line?! |
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| 07:46.13 | sebi | and don't tell me, nobody has removed it yet ^^ |
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| 07:47.44 | bw123 | can't find usb camera where to mount it? |
| 07:48.09 | simonlnu | sebi: looks like it needs updating. file a bug, or check the BTS. |
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| 07:48.23 | kinky | bw123: look up dmesg and mount it where you want :o |
| 07:48.29 | simonlnu | bw123: may want to flip mode on it. there's an app for that. |
| 07:48.31 | Bushmills | bw123: depending on what automounts it, /media may be a candidate. if something automounts it |
| 07:48.34 | wols_ | bw123: you don't mount a camera |
| 07:48.57 | bw123 | well i see it in dmesg it's device |
| 07:49.01 | Bushmills | some look like usb storage devices |
| 07:49.14 | Bushmills | mine does |
| 07:49.17 | sebi | i'm looking at the bugs right now... |
| 07:49.17 | wols_ | Bushmills: I only mount cameras on tripods |
| 07:49.19 | bw123 | yeah its in lsusb and dmesg |
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| 07:49.34 | wols_ | bw123: if it's a storage device mount it wherevery you want? |
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| 07:49.56 | bw123 | yeah but *from where to /media/canon |
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| 07:50.13 | wols_ | bw123: dmesg tells your something like /dev/sdb1 |
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| 07:50.25 | kinky | bw123: paste output of fdisk -l (thats a lowercase L) |
| 07:50.36 | bw123 | nothing in fdisk either |
| 07:50.44 | bw123 | dmesg says it's device 13 |
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| 07:51.22 | bw123 | Bus 001 Device 017: ID 04a9:314d Canon, Inc. |
| 07:51.30 | bw123 | every time i plug it in it goes up a number |
| 07:51.32 | Guest72550 | hi someone can help me installing Siemens Logo! software on debin Kernel Linux localhost 2.6.32-5-amd64 ? |
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| 07:52.50 | bw123 | tried fstab UUID=04a9:314d /media/canon usbfs |
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| 07:53.33 | kinky | bw123: that's just the BUS ID, has nothing to do with the UUIDs, lookup blkid if there's a new partition |
| 07:53.40 | Guest72550 | http://pastebin.com/XMRWg03T |
| 07:53.44 | Bushmills | bw123: it could be one of the /dev/sd*. the last one, presumably |
| 07:54.00 | somiaj | not every camera uses usb mass storage standards to give you access to the memeory card on it, some of them require special software/drivers. Maybe google will give you more info on your paticular model |
| 07:54.09 | bw123 | yeah i tried everything in /dev |
| 07:54.10 | wols_ | bw123: pastebin your dmesg output please |
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| 07:54.21 | Bushmills | bw123: what canon model is that? |
| 07:54.26 | wols_ | bw123: you are not supposed to try everything in /dev but look in dmesg |
| 07:54.34 | bw123 | canon a560 |
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| 07:54.50 | bw123 | yeah well i only tried sdx |
| 07:54.52 | Bushmills | mine is an a550, and is represented as mass storage |
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| 07:55.11 | bw123 | mass storage yeah but how you get onit |
| 07:55.20 | wols_ | bw123: pastebin your dmesg output |
| 07:55.32 | bw123 | wtf i don't have pastebin hold on |
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| 07:55.42 | bw123 | it's only one line for the cam anyway |
| 07:55.50 | Guest91323 | i have problems running the java virtual mashine comeone can look up my pasted bin please? |
| 07:55.51 | Bushmills | watch ls /dev/sd* , then plug in |
| 07:55.57 | Bushmills | or install usbmount |
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| 07:56.15 | wols_ | Guest91323: never ask to ask |
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| 07:56.44 | Guest91323 | what does that mean? |
| 07:57.03 | srart | It means put all of the relevant info in a question |
| 07:57.04 | bw123 | well thanks if ya think of anything beep me i'll go look online some more |
| 07:57.09 | ompaul | Guest91323: you changed your nick to e and the server changed again on you did it not? |
| 07:57.11 | srart | such as the patebin link |
| 07:57.31 | Bushmills | Guest91323: means, nobody will reply "yes" or "no" to "can someone look that up" |
| 07:57.33 | Guest91323 | no |
| 07:57.33 | ompaul | Guest91323: that is not clever when you are in the middle of asking for help - |
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| 07:57.53 | Guest91323 | ok sry |
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| 07:58.29 | Bushmills | Guest91323: or you might get a reply like "anybody with internet connection can look that up" |
| 07:58.34 | ompaul | Guest91323: these are yours <Guest72550> hi someone can help me installing Siemens Logo! software on debin Kernel Linux localhost 2.6.32-5-amd64 ? <Guest72550> http://pastebin.com/XMRWg03T |
| 07:58.57 | Guest91323 | oh yes right |
| 07:59.16 | wols_ | Guest91323: you still haven't asked a real answerable question? can you finally start please? |
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| 07:59.41 | Bushmills | such as, decribing your problem |
| 07:59.48 | Bushmills | describing, even |
| 08:00.29 | somiaj | Guest91323: line 13 is the one to pay attention to. |
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| 08:01.24 | Guest91323 | everytime i want to install the Siemens Logo software (the installer is based on Java Virtual maschine) i've got an error message i've pasted in pastebin. can someone with internet connection look that up and give me an advice how i can solve this problem please? |
| 08:01.49 | wols_ | Guest91323: which java have you installed? |
| 08:02.30 | Guest91323 | java-common 040 |
| 08:02.36 | Guest91323 | 0.40 |
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| 08:02.57 | dutchfish | hi, i forgot the name of the package that warns on update or upgrade for pending bugs, any hint? |
| 08:03.35 | Guest91323 | or how can i look after if this isn't the right java? |
| 08:03.40 | Bushmills | apt-listbugs ? |
| 08:03.43 | somiaj | dutchfish: apt-listbugs? |
| 08:03.55 | kinky | Guest91323: dpkg -l|grep openj && dpkg -l|grep sun |
| 08:04.01 | dutchfish | somiaj, thats the one, thank you. |
| 08:04.35 | dutchfish | Bushmills, thank you to.. |
| 08:04.42 | gypsymauro | how can I remove mdadm from mkinitrd? |
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| 08:05.14 | Guest91323 | ok http://pastebin.com/EZtfQ26E |
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| 08:07.17 | Guest91323 | kinky: i've entered you command and pastebin above contains what was the output |
| 08:08.28 | kinky | Guest91323: try out the sun/oracle java instead of openjre http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun#Sun_Java_1.6 |
| 08:08.42 | Guest91323 | oh ok much thx |
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| 08:09.55 | crystalblue66 | www.xxxlivecam.info |
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| 08:11.09 | Guest91323 | am i in tb now :) |
| 08:11.32 | Guest91323 | tv |
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| 08:17.59 | Guest91323 | the error message is still present after installing sun Java-jre |
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| 08:18.42 | Furai` | Hello folks - I'm here again. What was the command to unpach tar.gz files? |
| 08:18.49 | Furai` | unpack |
| 08:19.03 | srart | tar xzf |
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| 08:20.18 | Guest91323 | :kinky the error message is still present can you help ge going ahead? |
| 08:20.31 | Guest91323 | me |
| 08:20.53 | Guest91323 | kinky: |
| 08:21.13 | somiaj | Guest91323: you are either missing libxext6 or there is some bug in the installer and you should seek for support there. |
| 08:21.43 | kinky | Guest91323: well, it's hard to guess just something with that bit of information, maybe you should just google about your problem |
| 08:22.20 | Guest91323 | the support from siemens hp is not working i've tried out, and libxext6 is installed |
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| 08:22.52 | Guest91323 | no debian users with siemens logo problems were found on google |
| 08:23.29 | kinky | Guest91323: include ubuntu in your search terms |
| 08:23.39 | jackweb | Hello! How to generate /lib/modules/2.6.39-2-686/ directory when I use _2.6.38_. (I tried to use depmod -a, but it generated for my previous kernel)? |
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| 08:24.03 | jackweb | I need it to install my new kernel |
| 08:25.20 | somiaj | jackweb: how you you install your kernel...should look up buildng a kernel the debian way |
| 08:25.51 | somiaj | jackweb: then the /lib/modules/version/ is put in a package you can install/uninstall with the rest of the kernel |
| 08:27.23 | Guest91323 | should i remove openjdk if i have intalled Sun java-jre too? |
| 08:28.03 | somiaj | Guest91323: they can live side by side, you might be able to set the default one with update-alternatives, but removing it if you don't need it isn't a bad idea either. |
| 08:28.52 | Guest91323 | ok thx |
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| 08:29.08 | kinky | don't they conflict with each other by default? would be sane, anyway |
| 08:29.09 | wols_ | !wayttd jackweb |
| 08:29.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jackweb? |
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| 08:29.17 | wols_ | kinky: no |
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| 08:29.53 | wols_ | kinky: but at the same time, just installing an additional jre doesn't mean it's used by default. so Guest91323 should make sure the right jre is used when running java. see "java --version" |
| 08:30.14 | jackweb | wols_: why I am trying to compile linux? |
| 08:30.36 | jackweb | because I hope when I use 2.6.39, my ath9k problems will disappear |
| 08:30.40 | kinky | wols_: that's true, java $HOME is very likely the old openjre one |
| 08:30.45 | wols_ | jackweb: and if you do, why you are botching it |
| 08:30.54 | wols_ | !tell jackweb about kernel-package |
| 08:30.55 | somiaj | jackweb: look up how to do it the debian way, and build it into a .deb to install. It requires just a slight change from a regular build |
| 08:31.37 | Bushmills | !make-kpkg |
| 08:31.38 | dpkg | from memory, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 08:31.38 | Chat6910 | /part |
| 08:31.52 | wols_ | jackweb: kernel-package is the way to go if you absolutely must run a custom kernel. tho, since 2.6.38 the ath9k should work ok. why is 2.6.38 not good eough? |
| 08:31.52 | KevinJ | is there anybody here? |
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| 08:32.29 | jackweb | wols_: my wireless connection is unstable |
| 08:32.37 | jackweb | when I ping |
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| 08:32.56 | jackweb | it starts with, for example, third package |
| 08:32.58 | jackweb | packet* |
| 08:33.13 | DotHack | KevinJ: !anybody |
| 08:33.14 | wols_ | jackweb: we got it the first time you mentioned ath9k |
| 08:33.58 | wols_ | jackweb: use make-kpkg to build your kernel and it will install flawlessly |
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| 09:08.36 | lord_rob | Hi ! I see a white (white not light grey) text before grub logo that appears so quickly that I can't read it ... Any idea what it is or how I could read it ? |
| 09:09.14 | somiaj | is it a bios flash screen or msg? |
| 09:09.45 | lord_rob | text message |
| 09:10.05 | lord_rob | I hadn't this with earlier versions of grub |
| 09:10.07 | wols_ | lord_rob: "loading grub" usually. if it's in the upper left corner |
| 09:10.18 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm going to cry. |
| 09:10.41 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: here, have a hankie |
| 09:11.12 | Seth_Hikaru | How can I login a graphical session via a terminal since I can't have a monitor connected to the computer and still need access to the desktop via vnc. |
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| 09:11.23 | Seth_Hikaru | terminal or shell* |
| 09:11.30 | lord_rob | wols_: yes I know but the text is like an error message because it's much longer than that and it's displayed AFTER loading grub |
| 09:11.52 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: startx ? |
| 09:12.03 | Seth_Hikaru | That fails. |
| 09:12.27 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: need more context. what are you trying to do exactly and why and what happens when you do? |
| 09:12.31 | Seth_Hikaru | I have a keyboard connected but typing in my username and then hitting enter and then my password and enter again does nothing. |
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| 09:12.39 | lord_rob | Seth_Hikaru: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:13.06 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: how do you know it doesn't? |
| 09:13.08 | lord_rob | maybe deprecated |
| 09:13.22 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: do you have network access on the box? is ssh installed? |
| 09:13.24 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: I can't vnc into it. |
| 09:13.34 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: Yes, I'm using terminal though. |
| 09:13.43 | wols_ | then check your logs. |
| 09:13.56 | Seth_Hikaru | Fatal error: No screens found. |
| 09:14.02 | Seth_Hikaru | That help? |
| 09:14.12 | wols_ | no. there is more than just that |
| 09:14.19 | Seth_Hikaru | **** |
| 09:14.22 | Seth_Hikaru | Hold on. |
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| 09:14.33 | Seth_Hikaru | ssh into this bitch. |
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| 09:15.27 | gremset | How can I find how much memory (RAM) freuency does my motherboard support from debian? |
| 09:15.59 | Seth_Hikaru | Where are logs at? I'm tired and tired and have been awake for close to 24 hours now. |
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| 09:16.18 | somiaj | gremset: best to figure out what mobo you have and look it up in google |
| 09:16.47 | Seth_Hikaru | I found them. |
| 09:17.19 | wols_ | gremset: to find the mobo: lshw |
| 09:18.13 | wols_ | gremset: usually the chipset of the mobo is enough to know however |
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| 09:18.56 | Seth_Hikaru | Syslog has nothing on it. |
| 09:19.16 | Seth_Hikaru | Just stuff from May 28th. |
| 09:19.18 | gremset | wols_: somiaj: thanks, got it, the motherboard support 800 MHz. Now I do not exactly remember if it is a Transcend or Kingston. How can I find that? |
| 09:19.28 | wols_ | logs are in Xorg.0.log for reasons why X doesn't start |
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| 09:20.32 | somiaj | gremset: manifacture isn't usually a big issue, but many mobos will post all supported ram on their website. |
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| 09:20.42 | wols_ | gremset: decode-dimms but that only works if the SPD eeproms are programmed properly. often they aren't. but it doesn't really matter what manufacturer it is |
| 09:20.56 | wols_ | somiaj: that listing is usually worthless |
| 09:21.01 | wols_ | useless too |
| 09:21.28 | becker_11 | Is there a file somewhere that records uptime? I just had my system reboot after a long period not being rebooted & I'd like to know just how long it was |
| 09:21.33 | somiaj | seems you can get the info from "sudo dmidecode" if you don't want to install lshw |
| 09:21.38 | somiaj | (for the mobo) |
| 09:21.38 | Seth_Hikaru | Try this. |
| 09:21.39 | Seth_Hikaru | http://pastebin.com/YgxtJjia |
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| 09:21.55 | [sr] | howdy |
| 09:22.08 | babilen | becker_11: "uptime > uptime.txt" ;) |
| 09:22.09 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm personally leaning towards the fact that it likes a monitor plugged in for some reason. |
| 09:22.20 | Seth_Hikaru | Maybe even a cable. |
| 09:22.21 | [sr] | i have some errors in apt/dpkg and on the web didnt found a solution.. |
| 09:22.22 | [sr] | parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line |
| 09:22.33 | [sr] | how can i fix this? |
| 09:22.33 | babilen | becker_11: Ah, you mean after the reboot, don't you? |
| 09:22.34 | gremset | somiaj: I got it from lshw itself |
| 09:22.36 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: what is in your xorg.conf or your xorg.conf.d directory? |
| 09:23.01 | becker_11 | babilen: exactley |
| 09:23.01 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: Would it help to let you know that the system works fine whenever I connect a monitor to it? |
| 09:23.22 | gremset | Actually I am planninng to get an additonal 2gb in additon to 2gb, which is currently 800 mhz chip. And want to utlise dual channel feature by installing another one of the same frequency. Does vendors matter? |
| 09:23.36 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: run X -configure and force a certain resolution then |
| 09:23.49 | wols_ | gremset: no |
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| 09:24.07 | wols_ | gremset: I currently run 2x1GB Ocz and 2x1GB Corsair for example |
| 09:24.11 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: Can you give me an example? |
| 09:24.19 | Seth_Hikaru | just for the res part. |
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| 09:24.27 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: run it |
| 09:24.46 | Seth_Hikaru | X -configure 800x600? |
| 09:24.54 | wols_ | what did I write above? |
| 09:24.57 | babilen | becker_11: Not aware of one, run something like the command above in a cron job if it is important for you. Or install uptimed which does what you are after. |
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| 09:25.29 | gremset | wols_: I see. Is there any noticeable difference in performance in dual channel mode setup. My use case, I need to run atleast two vms at a time in virtualbox? |
| 09:25.30 | babilen | becker_11: But uptime is irrelevant anyway and just yells "Outdated Kernel with security problems" ;) |
| 09:26.03 | wols_ | gremset: what cpu? |
| 09:26.21 | becker_11 | uptimed thanks .... Managed to get 28days out of my system & no the kernel wasn't outdated I continued doing updates && upgrades & the kernel wasn't updated in that time |
| 09:26.54 | wols_ | but usually not really. 5% or so max, depending on workload. you have your CPU cache for a reason |
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| 09:27.18 | gremset | wols_: a low end one, amd 9550 quad core |
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| 09:27.31 | gremset | I see |
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| 09:29.29 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: It spits out crap and doesn't ask for a resolution. |
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| 09:30.08 | Seth_Hikaru | Also it fails. |
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| 09:31.06 | Seth_Hikaru | I think it boils down to the fact that there's no screen connected. |
| 09:31.20 | Seth_Hikaru | Some graphics cards refuse to work without a screen. |
| 09:31.47 | Seth_Hikaru | I could short two pins for emulation but I don't remember where that post was on hackaday.com so I won't try that. |
| 09:32.01 | wols_ | one doesn't need a screen to run a X server. there is evern an X server which only runs as VNC server |
| 09:32.20 | Seth_Hikaru | I think I tried that. |
| 09:32.46 | Seth_Hikaru | Maybe it would help if I configured it with a monitor first. |
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| 09:33.30 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're wrong. |
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| 09:33.59 | Seth_Hikaru | I can punch startx in with a monitor connected and it works. |
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| 09:34.35 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: you are mistaken. you don't need a videocard even to run an X server. xvfb, above mentioned vnc x server, etc |
| 09:34.57 | Seth_Hikaru | Then why is it bitching? |
| 09:35.16 | wols_ | cause the intel driver for your ancient videochip is |
| 09:35.37 | Seth_Hikaru | How did you know it was an intel? |
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| 09:35.50 | wols_ | your Xorg.0.log paste |
| 09:35.55 | Seth_Hikaru | Derp. |
| 09:35.59 | wols_ | "(--) intel(0): Chipset: "845G"" |
| 09:36.03 | Seth_Hikaru | Yeah. |
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| 09:36.30 | Seth_Hikaru | I think I could ram a agp card into one of the pci slots and have it run that. |
| 09:36.37 | Seth_Hikaru | an* |
| 09:36.40 | wols_ | no you cannot |
| 09:36.52 | Seth_Hikaru | sorry |
| 09:36.54 | Seth_Hikaru | pci* |
| 09:36.56 | wols_ | well you can, then you get a short and you can procure a new mainboard |
| 09:37.11 | Seth_Hikaru | \o/ |
| 09:37.18 | Seth_Hikaru | High end linux box. |
| 09:37.19 | Seth_Hikaru | Yay. |
| 09:37.54 | wols_ | I said new mainboard, not new CPU, new RAM |
| 09:38.13 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm not looking for a stupid celeron board. |
| 09:38.22 | Seth_Hikaru | The heck with that. |
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| 09:38.34 | Seth_Hikaru | I'd rather light my pants on fire. |
| 09:38.47 | wols_ | I'd rather have a e2100 celeron than a P4... |
| 09:39.04 | Seth_Hikaru | I'd rather kill myself then run a celeron. |
| 09:39.23 | Seth_Hikaru | Or just take the P4. |
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| 09:40.22 | jackweb | wols_: I am using 2.6.39-686 now and the problem still exists |
| 09:40.52 | jackweb | when I ping some server - the order of ping packets is: 'icmp_req=1', icmp_req=3, icmp_req=8 etc... |
| 09:41.10 | jackweb | 57% packet loss :/ |
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| 09:42.06 | wols_ | jackweb: I heard people say ath9k was fixed with 2.6.38, but maybe they were wrong. or you simply have a shitty, crowded spectrum... |
| 09:42.26 | wols_ | jackweb: what other people are near you with their wlan routers? |
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| 09:43.11 | jackweb | wols_: I'd like to note that on Windows everything's OK |
| 09:43.13 | wols_ | jackweb: 2.4GHz is often crowsed even without WLAN: baby phones, microwaves, etc |
| 09:43.36 | wols_ | then I guess it's the driver. not much you can do about it |
| 09:43.59 | jackweb | aren't there any replacements of ath9k? |
| 09:44.12 | jackweb | substitute |
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| 09:44.44 | rical | Whats your take on writing startup scripts that is non daemonic (it will do something and terminate)? |
| 09:44.45 | wols_ | drivers? no. it's the only driver for atheros 9k chips |
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| 09:44.58 | wols_ | !tell rical about rc.local |
| 09:45.10 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I have an IBM Intellistation Z Pro, with an Adaptec sata 2810SA card, and two drives samsung 1TB, which I want to configure as raid1. It's vodoo so far. Sometimes installation doesn't complete, once it completed and worked for one hour and the system hang up and after the reboot there was no grub screen anymore. I wonder, is the adaptec 2810SA card supported properly? Any known issues? |
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| 09:45.45 | jackweb | wols_: so I will have to write my own driver ;) |
| 09:46.21 | wols_ | jackweb: good luck, but I'm sure all ath9k users cheer you on :P |
| 09:46.34 | jackweb | wols_: it was a joke of course ;) |
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| 09:47.10 | Seth_Hikaru | Seriously. |
| 09:47.19 | Seth_Hikaru | Firefox has been pulling this crap for years. |
| 09:47.32 | Seth_Hikaru | bookmarks disappearing should have been fixed a long time ago. |
| 09:48.30 | wols_ | yes. the funny thing is the same happens on windows too Seth_Hikaru :) |
| 09:48.43 | Seth_Hikaru | It does it on Firefox? |
| 09:48.47 | Seth_Hikaru | err... |
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| 09:48.48 | Seth_Hikaru | linux* |
| 09:48.56 | wolfpython | hey, I cannot connect to any network via wireless , the chipset is RTL8188CUS on Sid (kernel 2.6.39), with firmware-realtek installed . |
| 09:48.57 | wols_ | yes. my mum regularly has this problem on windows |
| 09:49.20 | Seth_Hikaru | I've lossed so many bookmarks. |
| 09:49.26 | Seth_Hikaru | They say you can get them back. |
| 09:49.40 | wols_ | Seth_Hikaru: maybe try something like xmarks |
| 09:49.48 | Seth_Hikaru | which is? |
| 09:50.18 | wols_ | an extension for firefox bookmark synchronization across several ffoxes. saves them online |
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| 09:50.41 | wols_ | !tell wolfpython about sid |
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| 09:52.23 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: I'm going to fucking stab this box and cry. |
| 09:52.40 | Seth_Hikaru | It's telling me it can't open X. |
| 09:52.42 | Seth_Hikaru | Period. |
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| 09:53.08 | Seth_Hikaru | Why doesn't it do this when I have a monitor hooked up to it? |
| 09:53.20 | Seth_Hikaru | x11vnc is telling me the same thing. |
| 09:53.57 | wols_ | cause when it has a monitor it can ask the monitor what it supports and then the intel driver behaves accordingly. without a monitor it can't |
| 09:54.11 | Seth_Hikaru | So do I have to tell it what to do then? |
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| 09:56.33 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm going to take that as a yes and strangle myself for being a dumbass. |
| 09:57.08 | Seth_Hikaru | I really need to get to bed soon. |
| 09:57.23 | Seth_Hikaru | I got an open house/graduation party to go to in the morning. |
| 09:57.26 | Seth_Hikaru | Well. |
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| 10:00.29 | Seth_Hikaru | Oh yeah, I need to get to bed. Starting to hallucinate now. |
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| 10:02.48 | rical | anyone? Is it incorrect to write non daemonic startup scripts (real startup script)? |
| 10:02.53 | vy | Hi! Has anybody ever get conkeror-spawn-process-helper working? |
| 10:03.00 | rical | I want to mount some truecrypt devices |
| 10:03.01 | Seth_Hikaru | wols_: I'm still having problems starting x properly. |
| 10:03.08 | Seth_Hikaru | I can't figure out how to do it., |
| 10:03.20 | vy | rical: Use /etc/rc.local for that. |
| 10:05.13 | rical | vy: yeh, I think thats probably an OK hack? |
| 10:06.12 | vy | rical: I dunno about truecrypt, but why not using fstab? |
| 10:06.49 | rical | I will look that up, not sure if its plausable |
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| 10:07.18 | vy | rical: See /etc/fstab file. |
| 10:07.24 | Out`Of`Control | !ati |
| 10:07.25 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 10:08.25 | rical | vy: I need to pass a keyfile along with a password |
| 10:08.44 | rical | omg, there is so mutch magic in init this days |
| 10:08.48 | wols_ | rical: you can do that with fstab, but if you use a keyfile, what's the point of truecrypt? |
| 10:09.07 | rical | wols_: the system disc is also encrypted |
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| 10:09.56 | rical | wols_: I only want one manual unlock |
| 10:11.16 | rical | wols_: how would I pass the keyfile and password from fstab then? |
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| 10:13.11 | raz | hmm |
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| 10:13.21 | raz | i've had good success with quickly backporting some packages |
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| 10:13.32 | Gorilla_No_Baka | hello everyone |
| 10:13.42 | raz | have the debian core guys considered adding this as a single-command thing to apt or similar? |
| 10:13.44 | Gorilla_No_Baka | just a quick question gents |
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| 10:15.45 | Gorilla_No_Baka | just a quick question gents about debian squeeze ..Afunny thing happens :On booting the debian shows whatever image was on the screen last time when i signed off ..Most of the time the image would be garbled but you can recognize it.. Any idea why debian would do that ?THis happens everytime i boot |
| 10:16.07 | raz | Gorilla_No_Baka: sounds like something with the graphics card driver |
| 10:16.47 | Gorilla_No_Baka | right... Cheers raz ... is there any workaround ? |
| 10:17.18 | raz | Gorilla_No_Baka: what exactly does it do? you type 'reboot' and during boot it shows a "shadow" of your last screen? |
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| 10:19.48 | Gorilla_No_Baka | raz: i type reboot or i log off/shutdown...(no problems here it works fast and smooth) on booting as you said it shows a shadow of my last screen .. whatever image i had on the screen in the moment i signed off /reboted/so on |
| 10:20.07 | somiaj | raz: you mean more of a single comand than 'apt-get -b source <source pkg>'? |
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| 10:20.40 | raz | Gorilla_No_Baka: probably related to framebuffer. you could turn that off, but i'm not sure if it's worth the hassle. |
| 10:20.54 | raz | would involve editing grub.conf and figuring out the latest way debian has raped it.. |
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| 10:21.24 | raz | somiaj: well, more like automating the entire process, including temp updating the sources.list and installing the resulting .debs in the right order |
| 10:21.30 | Gorilla_No_Baka | i have no problems or whatsoever in editing the grub.conf.. |
| 10:21.33 | Gorilla_No_Baka | :P |
| 10:21.39 | raz | somiaj: something like 'apt-get backport sid/foobar' |
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| 10:22.18 | somiaj | raz: I doubt there is any plane to build such a tool, sounds more like a ports clone. |
| 10:22.18 | Guest9525 | raz: no, that is not the way |
| 10:22.26 | raz | Gorilla_No_Baka: i don't know the details from the top of my head. you need to add something like 'framebuffer=off' to the kernel parameters (google should find you the exact line to do that) |
| 10:22.31 | themill | raz: please try to maintain some sense of perspective in your language. |
| 10:22.47 | Gorilla_No_Baka | roger that raz .. Cheers mate |
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| 10:22.52 | przem | test |
| 10:23.04 | raz | themill: 'mess' more adequate? |
| 10:23.07 | ompaul | przem: can we see you |
| 10:23.16 | przem | OK, thanks |
| 10:23.26 | somiaj | raz: by default debian aims at producing a stable distribution and staying within it...adding such a feature would hurt a lot of the stability from the offical debian. |
| 10:23.29 | raz | somiaj: yea, just an idea, after doing the procedure for the nth time ;) |
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| 10:24.09 | raz | somiaj: yup, it's appreciated. but there seems to always be the odd package that needs a newer version. |
| 10:24.21 | MeglaW | dammit, im installing a laptop from cd, and its been chewing for 2 days now cuz i dont have more then 64mb ram in it, i do have a 1GB stick to put in it, can i just reboot it and continnu install after i replace the memory stick? its currently at "installing base system" |
| 10:24.30 | ompaul | raz: you are looking for a change in the installer - what you want is a "risky_behaviour=yes" flag |
| 10:25.03 | ompaul | raz: have you looked at http://backports.debian.org |
| 10:25.08 | raz | ompaul: well, i wouldn't propose to make that the default or anything. just a support way for what everyone is doing anyways. |
| 10:25.35 | raz | ompaul: yes, unfortunately backports rarely has the packages i need (just today i needed a newer zsh, which is not on backports) |
| 10:25.37 | somiaj | ompaul: he just wants an automated way to grab a package and some of its depends and build them and install them. I.e. make dpkg more ports like. |
| 10:25.38 | ompaul | raz: you won't find me taking that kind of chance in the office |
| 10:25.51 | Gorilla_No_Baka | by the way gents... I tried to install openbox(big fan of it installed flawless no problems from here ) however when i have installed pcmanfm i was not able to see my windows partition the one i keep for my job ... funny enough with nautilus i can.. |
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| 10:27.10 | ompaul | points raz at lots of other places - not really the debian way of doing things ime - but you might try a wishlist of that behaviour but be warned i guess you will be told "NO" it is not the debian way, you can but ask, it might fit in with other ideas people have about a rolling debian which evolves more |
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| 10:27.30 | raz | ompaul: yea i expected that response, just thought i'd throw it out there |
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| 10:27.54 | raz | perhaps i'll write my own wrapper and see if that gets accepted as a pkg |
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| 10:36.25 | Guest91323 | hi i have installed Siemens Logo Software with super user right now i cant open the starter on my desktop of the normal user account. what can i do to start the starter? |
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| 10:37.18 | somiaj | Guest91323: this really isn't a support channell for non-offical software and even for the offical stuff in the debian repo's you can usually get better support from the software support in question. |
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| 10:45.34 | cutout | hi, i want to encrypt some folders on my server in order when I ship the server to a customer data center. what is the best way to do it? |
| 10:45.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | define best |
| 10:46.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | tar them and gpg encrypt them for example |
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| 10:46.27 | digdilem__ | partition with an encrypted file system? |
| 10:46.53 | cutout | easy and secure and at the same time my application (the folder I want to secure) will still working |
| 10:47.17 | cutout | yes I need file system encryption |
| 10:47.17 | wols_ | cutout: you mean you want drm? |
| 10:47.38 | cutout | wols_: I dont know what is drm |
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| 10:48.05 | wols_ | cutout: your customer needs to run an application which is in the encrypted folder? |
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| 10:49.28 | cutout | yes, but this is I can do remotly (mount the encrypted folder maybe) but what I don't want the customer to do is the be able to reboot the server and steel the app. (I wont give him access to the server) |
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| 10:50.02 | wols_ | cutout: you ship the PC which has the "encrypted" folder to your customer right? |
| 10:50.09 | cutout | yes |
| 10:50.25 | wols_ | cannot be done. "physical access trumps everything" |
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| 10:50.42 | cutout | I don't want him to use single user mode and change password and then take the app. |
| 10:51.02 | cutout | how? |
| 10:51.02 | wols_ | you can encrypt it and everytime he boots/starts you need to enter the password remotely but given enough time he can get around that |
| 10:51.32 | cutout | wols_: fair enough, how? |
| 10:51.36 | wols_ | for example by a local priviledge escalation which gets him root |
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| 10:53.05 | cutout | wols_: but if the folder needs password to be mounted, root privilge can not help him, right? |
| 10:53.17 | cutout | he needs to know the password to mount the folder |
| 10:53.19 | wols_ | wrong |
| 10:53.24 | cutout | how? |
| 10:53.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | in all likelyhood he can exploit the app to give him what he wants too, but without other details we can't know that eitehr |
| 10:53.58 | wols_ | cutout: you use the wrong distro. debian is a Free software distro. usually its users don't like DRM |
| 10:54.15 | cutout | OK |
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| 11:08.31 | cutout | So I have another question, how can I make my own debian repo. so that I can maintain my packages and update them on the clients? |
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| 11:10.16 | twanny796 | I have a multi zip file -- file.z01, file.z02 file.z03 file.zip, how do I extract in debian?? |
| 11:10.42 | dawud | cutout: debmirror, apt-proxy, depends on your needs |
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| 11:11.05 | cutout | dawud: thanks I'll check them both |
| 11:11.16 | dawud | twanny796: just unzip one of them, the others will follow |
| 11:13.37 | twanny796 | dawud : nope |
| 11:13.52 | twanny796 | dawud : actually I'm on SLAX |
| 11:14.08 | dawud | twanny796: shouldn't be a problem |
| 11:14.21 | dawud | twanny796: unzip the *.zip then |
| 11:15.38 | twanny796 | dawud : unzip recognizes that it's a multi zip file, says 'need PK compat. v4.5 (can do v2.1) |
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| 11:17.03 | dawud | twanny796: you may need p7zip |
| 11:17.43 | cutout | dawud: those seem to be caching solutions for minimizing the downloads on the network, right? |
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| 11:18.38 | cutout | dawud: what I want to do is to have my own repo. so that I upload debs on it and other users can add the url to source.list and be able to install update my packages |
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| 11:18.56 | dawud | cutout: apt-proxy yes, debmirror allows you to download the qhole rep sources included if you need to |
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| 11:19.05 | dawud | s/qhole/whole |
| 11:19.41 | dawud | cutout: you need debmirror |
| 11:19.51 | cutout | dawud: OK thanks |
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| 11:22.37 | _denis_ | hi, during a migration from lenny to squeeze, i have some errors about sysv-rc (http://paste.debian.net/118197/), is that mean that i can't reboot ? |
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| 11:36.58 | infinet | help list |
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| 11:47.29 | ompaul | infinet: what do you want to know / ask - the full question with relevant debian details maybe someone can help |
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| 11:47.44 | abrotman | ompaul: generally, he's looking for warez when they do that |
| 11:48.02 | ompaul | abrotman: ahh |
| 11:48.17 | ompaul | infinet: I know where you can gigs of stuff - try http://www.debian.org |
| 11:48.22 | ompaul | abrotman: ack |
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| 11:48.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 11:49.46 | zapadlo | Could someone give a good link explaining init.d and rc.d stuff? |
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| 11:51.03 | ompaul | zapadlo: this is not what you asked for but might help, init.d is a start and stop location the various levels of rc.d are what to do on various runlevels |
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| 11:51.50 | zapadlo | ompaul I'm more interesting in runlevels, it seems a lot of them contain the same daemons |
| 11:52.02 | ompaul | zapadlo: and they should |
| 11:52.25 | zapadlo | So lets say I want to remove exim4 from starting up |
| 11:52.36 | zapadlo | I'm not quite sure where I'm supposed to be removing it frmo |
| 11:52.36 | ompaul | zapadlo: think about it, I want ProgramX to run all the time once the box is running |
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| 11:52.58 | ompaul | zapadlo: you don't you use programs to do so - one of them is sys-rc-conf |
| 11:53.22 | zapadlo | ompaul Is that the latest "to use" now? |
| 11:53.24 | ompaul | zapadlo: it is a place where angels fear to thread - you can do a lot of damage in there |
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| 11:53.54 | zapadlo | ompaul Hmm, I got used to hadling it manually in Arch |
| 11:54.59 | fuller | ompaul have a look at UPDATE-RC.D(8) |
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| 11:55.39 | ompaul | fuller: I'm happy see zapadlo |
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| 12:01.29 | roger21 | hello |
| 12:01.58 | roger21 | what would be the command to list wich package depends on the on a give to the command ? |
| 12:02.05 | roger21 | packages |
| 12:02.09 | roger21 | depend |
| 12:02.15 | roger21 | one i |
| 12:02.21 | acemi | aptitude why packagename |
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| 12:02.57 | roger21 | acemi, nice thanks |
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| 12:06.13 | zapadlo | On the topic of init.d : Is everything thats i init.d starting on boot |
| 12:06.14 | zapadlo | ? |
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| 12:06.42 | zapadlo | Ah nvm, realised its not |
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| 12:13.10 | antivirtel | hi, does the new debian squeeze stable support ext4? |
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| 12:13.27 | acemi | antivirtel: yes |
| 12:13.32 | antivirtel | nice, thanks |
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| 12:14.10 | d0x | Hi, i need to do snapshots from my beamer. Therefore i need a hdmi capture card. Does anyone know a card for this? |
| 12:14.23 | d0x | with linux support |
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| 12:19.30 | cutout | how can I add a password to boot grub loader? |
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| 12:21.17 | somiaj | cutout: check out /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:21.36 | cutout | somiaj: thanks |
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| 12:21.50 | acemi | cutout: grub2? |
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| 12:22.27 | cutout | yes on squeeze |
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| 12:23.23 | acemi | create a file as /etc/grub.d/01_password |
| 12:23.36 | acemi | http://paste.debian.net/118248/ |
| 12:23.45 | acemi | chmod 755 /etc/grub.d/01_password |
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| 12:23.50 | acemi | update-grub |
| 12:24.14 | acemi | you'll create the passwd with grub-mkpasswd-pbkdf2 |
| 12:24.51 | cutout | Ah thanks let me try it |
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| 12:32.18 | cutout | acemi: does it take long? |
| 12:32.36 | cutout | after reentering the password? |
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| 12:36.45 | cutout | acemi: I did it and after reboot it did not ask for password |
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| 12:50.22 | Guest91323 | can please someone give me an advice where in irc i can ask for jre problems? |
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| 12:52.16 | babilen | Guest91323: On Debian? If so, try here |
| 12:52.33 | Elwood_ | So I am getting update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/etc-setserial missing LSB information |
| 12:52.36 | tux0 | Guest91323 maybe check out the openjdk project they may know... |
| 12:52.38 | Elwood_ | when I try and update |
| 12:52.41 | Guest91323 | thx ok i will paste something moment... |
| 12:52.44 | Elwood_ | *upgrade |
| 12:52.57 | Elwood_ | what do I do? |
| 12:53.13 | Guest91323 | tux: openjdk does not work with jre is needed for Siemens Logo! software |
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| 12:53.37 | bzed | !sun-java |
| 12:53.44 | bzed | !ping |
| 12:53.44 | dpkg | Yes, bzed, you are online. |
| 12:53.52 | Elwood_ | anyone? |
| 12:54.31 | bzed | !tell Guest91323 about sunjava |
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| 12:56.31 | ironicum | Elwood_: the file may be corrupted |
| 12:56.41 | ironicum | i'd try reinstalling setserial |
| 12:57.21 | stew | Elwood_: what does "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/etc-setserial" return? it should tell you thename of the package providing this file. |
| 12:57.55 | Guest91323 | i cant even install siemens logo! with openjdk installed - this is the case installing of the logo software works now with sun-java without problems but if i delete the jre from siemens the programm does not recognize where the jre from the system is to use this instead |
| 12:57.59 | stew | Elwood_: its going to either be a package not from debian, or one which is old and probably obsolete, perhaps one that was removed but not purged and therefore leaving a very old conffile hanging around |
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| 12:58.24 | Elwood_ | setserial: /etc/init.d/etc-setserial |
| 12:58.27 | Guest91323 | i have to delete the siemens jre says google |
| 12:58.50 | stew | Elwood_: what does "apt-cache policy setserial" say for Installed: and Candidate:? |
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| 12:59.08 | Lekensteyn | hello |
| 12:59.27 | Lekensteyn | According to http://wiki.debian.org/Duplicity: "A bare minimum to reconstruct the installation could be /etc and /var/lib/dpkg" |
| 12:59.40 | Lekensteyn | isn't the output of dpkg --get-selections and /etc enough? |
| 12:59.42 | Elwood_ | reinstalling stopped the errors |
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| 13:00.37 | Guest91323 | http://pastebin.com/XmRyNRWK after deleting the jre from siemens this is happening |
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| 13:00.39 | stew | Lekensteyn: dpkg --get-selections doesn't tell you what packages are installed. it lists your desires for package states |
| 13:01.02 | Lekensteyn | stew: dpkg -l then? |
| 13:01.18 | Lekensteyn | (thank you for your response) |
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| 13:01.35 | stew | Lekensteyn: "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" would be our recommendation |
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| 13:02.57 | Lekensteyn | stew: Thanks, would backuping up the output of that and /etc be enough to restore a desktop system in an emergency case? |
| 13:03.00 | Guest91323 | on ubuntu there never were any problems i've deleted the jre siemens directory and everything worked fine... now with debian i have no idea to solve this problem... |
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| 13:03.06 | stew | Lekensteyn: and there are still other things you could miss, like /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride for example |
| 13:03.32 | stew | Lekensteyn: i would certainly recommend /home |
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| 13:04.20 | Lekensteyn | stew: /home is already included in another backup profile :) , do you have other backup recommendations (directories/files) other than /etc and /var/lib/dpkg ? |
| 13:04.29 | Guest91323 | please can someone look up the pastebin url to tell me his ideas for solving my really huge problem? |
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| 13:20.43 | dwaynewayne | anyone know why I can't get "raw" data from wacom tablet? in /dev/input |
| 13:20.59 | dwaynewayne | the tablet is working fine, but I can't get any data from it |
| 13:21.36 | dwaynewayne | it's in /dev/input/event20... but nothing is ever inputted |
| 13:21.51 | stew | Lekensteyn: if you use /usr/local or /opt or /srv for anything. /var/lib can possibly have stuff to be backed up |
| 13:22.19 | dawud | Guest91323: could you please LANG=C and pastebin again? |
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| 13:22.43 | stew | Guest91323: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: DE.siemens.ad.logo.app.plaf.LookAndFeelLoader <- this indicates a classpath problem |
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| 13:24.00 | mikkidog | Hello. Isthe Debian mirror down? |
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| 13:25.24 | daemonkeeper | "the" mirror, like "the only one"? |
| 13:25.55 | Lekensteyn | mikkidog: what one? http://archive.debian.org/ is up |
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| 13:26.57 | mikkidog | Thanks. I guess I'm having issues of my own. |
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| 13:27.52 | dutchfish | hi, how do i boot into memcheck86++ or the like using a netinstall image squeeze? |
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| 13:28.24 | stew | mikkidog: there are hundreds of mirrors, you should tell us which ip address you are having trouble with |
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| 13:29.50 | bencc | can I use "dpkg -i" to install a .deb package from a url? |
| 13:30.22 | stew | bencc: no, you'd have to wget it (or something) first |
| 13:30.34 | Guest91323 | stew: could you please define what i have to do ? |
| 13:30.56 | daemonkeeper | Moreover it is almost ever wrong to download a .deb and use dpkg. |
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| 13:31.06 | daemonkeeper | s/ever/always/ |
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| 13:31.30 | mrdeb | why is vlc 113 in stable, but 117 in testing? what happened to 4-6. do they just choose random verions to test |
| 13:31.34 | bencc | stew: can I pipe it to dpkg? |
| 13:31.54 | stew | Guest91323: when it invokes the jvm, its either setting the CLASSPATH env variable or using -cp to set the classpath. this classpath doesn't include a path (which coudl be a .jar) to something containing DE/siemens/ad/logo/app/plaf/LookAndFeelLoader.class |
| 13:32.02 | bencc | "stew: wget http://example.com/mypkg.deb | dpkg -i" ? |
| 13:32.04 | stew | bencc: not afaik |
| 13:32.11 | stew | bencc: certainly not like that, no |
| 13:32.49 | Guest91323 | http://pastebin.com/zhVgpUyz in english version |
| 13:33.07 | Guest91323 | dawud: |
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| 13:34.12 | stew | mrdeb: all of them were in debian at some point: http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vlc.html see the news section |
| 13:34.40 | stew | Guest91323: you are going to have to look at the LOGOComfort comfort script and see how it invokes java |
| 13:34.45 | Guest91323 | [angle=180]{â} |
| 13:35.29 | stew | Guest91323: oh, you are trying to use gcj? is there a reason you are using gcj instead of openjdk? |
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| 13:37.13 | Guest91323 | stew: http://pastebin.com/WcBNqY44 please take a look on it i don't understand what i have to change there |
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| 13:38.07 | Guest91323 | gcj? i think i have sun-jre installed? what does that mean? |
| 13:38.38 | alexa | Bonjour, quelqu'un a déja réussi à faire passer du 5.1 en HDMI avec un processeur Sandy Bridge? (sur un chipset H67)? |
| 13:38.57 | jelly-home | !fr |
| 13:38.57 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 13:39.00 | gartt | I've got a question- if Gentoo's compilation strengths are a small increase performance at the expense of a much lengthier installation due to optimization to processor-specific flags to GCC, is there any advantage to compiling anything from source on Debian performance-wise vs just binary installation? (sorry for the newbish question) |
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| 13:39.51 | stew | Guest91323: i'd recommend using update-java-alternatives to set sun or openjdk as your default jre |
| 13:40.13 | fuller | gartt the main advantage is having control over the build process, not the performance |
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| 13:40.22 | stew | Guest91323: right now you are using gcj instead (which would be the default if you have gcj and sun but not openjdk installed). gcj is problematic |
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| 13:41.00 | gartt | fuller: So if there are no processor opimization flags set for gcc, there's no difference between source compilation and binary strictly performance-wise? |
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| 13:42.45 | Guest91323 | stew: http://pastebin.com/QE2ni0yX i've tried to define sun jre as main jre ... |
| 13:42.57 | gartt | In other words, besides processor opimization flags, is there any other performance advantage to installing something from source? |
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| 13:43.26 | fuller | gartt afik there are 'optimization flags' set in the build process of the upstream binarys - they are just no as specific - and no, occasions to see any diference in performance are not likely in standard workloads |
| 13:44.07 | Guest91323 | can i also remove gcj-base? |
| 13:44.50 | gartt | fuller: Thanks, understood |
| 13:44.53 | mrdeb | thanks, stew for the answer |
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| 13:45.43 | Guest91323 | it woks let me kiss you stew :* |
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| 13:48.59 | SparFux | Hi all. In /etc/udev/rules.d/mouse-msc.rules I put a line "ACTION="add", KERNEL=="ttyS0", RUN+="/lib/udev/inputattach --daemon -msc %p" " But the inputattach daemon isn't started on udev restart. The udev line is from the inputattach package's readme file. What do I do wrong? |
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| 13:49.39 | SparFux | Ah! I do ACTION=... and not == |
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| 13:51.19 | SparFux | no, doesn't work, even with ACTION== |
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| 13:51.39 | cyoz | hello, I installed nautilus and plan to use it as my default manager but I can't figure out how to make it start with 2 panels; it always drops back to one after a restart |
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| 13:51.46 | cyoz | (also, I'm a noob) |
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| 13:54.16 | cutout | So does grub2 password protection require a password to boot your PC? Or is it just to keep people from editing your grub.cfg? |
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| 13:57.22 | zappal | cutout: the second is right, but take care because it's writen with an english keyboard |
| 13:57.52 | cutout | So is thier anywhy to do the first? |
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| 13:58.22 | SparFux | The udev rules isn't run. |
| 13:58.30 | xand | cutout: BIOS password |
| 13:58.38 | cutout | OK |
| 13:58.42 | cutout | thanks |
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| 13:58.52 | xand | not usually tha... er ok |
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| 13:59.34 | zappal | xand: cutout was a quicky :-) |
| 13:59.58 | xand | he cut out too fast |
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| 14:08.40 | handygandy | Is there a "debian developers forum"? |
| 14:09.03 | mrdeb | how do i give a user network manager privilages to delete and modify eth0? when you try to change it, it says delete failed, insufficient privilages |
| 14:10.13 | zappal | mrdeb: via sudo? |
| 14:10.14 | babilen | handygandy: A forum? I am not aware of one ... What are you looking for? Most discussions happen on the mailing lists or here on IRC. |
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| 14:10.33 | babilen | mrdeb: Is your user a member or the netdev group? |
| 14:10.34 | mrdeb | zappal: what group. i thought network manager already did this |
| 14:10.40 | mrdeb | babilen: yes |
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| 14:12.50 | handygandy | babilen: I just want to make a poll, What language should an application use for macro scripting. |
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| 14:16.25 | asarch | dh-make-perl --build --requiredeps --install --cpan OpenThought: "Can't locate object method "arch" via package "DhMakePerl::Command::make" at /usr/share/perl5/DhMakePerl/Command/make.pm line 307." |
| 14:16.27 | asarch | ? |
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| 14:17.35 | lucske | hey, what is best reference to compile kde 4.6.x for debian? |
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| 14:19.27 | dudz_ | just start punching at your keyboard lucske |
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| 14:21.19 | hotwings | anyone using upstart? |
| 14:22.35 | lucske | hey dudz_ : nice; downloading source from kde is easy, what about the rest? |
| 14:23.13 | dudz_ | just read the file that has instructions in it :) |
| 14:23.27 | lucske | which is ? |
| 14:23.34 | abrotman | shouldn't he ask #kde how to compile it? |
| 14:24.06 | dudz_ | usually when you download source its got a couple files in there that you can read that are labled with there purpose by the file name of the file that the text is written inside of :) |
| 14:24.41 | lucske | hmm, maybe it is that far for debian indeed. let me check this. thx |
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| 14:25.46 | dudz_ | nope, i mean if he's in a super urgent rush and has a deadline where he might be killed unless he has someone baby him, but other then that, should be simple enough to just read the instructions that come with it :) |
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| 14:28.02 | daemonkeeper | lucske: There is KDE 4.6 in experimental |
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| 14:28.49 | budo | my x keeps freezing |
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| 14:30.02 | budo | X repeatedly freezes, a hung GUP |
| 14:30.24 | budo | gpu |
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| 14:30.50 | Guest91323 | hi someone know what i have to do if evince have problems in dislaying pictures? for exaple an shematic layout is printed without wires and in very bad reolution all *.pdf |
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| 14:32.05 | Gump | hey #debian if i mount an .iso to a filesystem using "mount -o loop", will it just mount the file to the directory in /media, or will it put the files on the filesystem? |
| 14:32.33 | somiaj | Gump: it mounts it at what ever mountpoint you choose, mount -o /path/to/iso /mount/point |
| 14:33.10 | somiaj | Gump: -o loop (forgot the loop) |
| 14:34.11 | Gump | somiaj, right, so if i mount it at the directory of the filesystem in /media, will it place the files on the filesystem? |
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| 14:34.28 | Gump | *the directory of the mount point of the filesystem |
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| 14:35.03 | daemonkeeper | Whatever you choose, /media is the supposed location according to the FHS |
| 14:35.10 | somiaj | Gump: yea if you mount it atop of a file system it will just cover what ever is there. |
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| 14:35.24 | somiaj | Gump: which is usually a bad idea, but can be done. |
| 14:35.31 | pecenipicek | hello, hello folks, anyone know of a decent tool to verify iptables for correctness? i've been doing some modifications on the iptables file, but i'm sorta hesitant to apply it to my router, on the off chance i derped up the syntax on some things. |
| 14:35.59 | Gump | somiaj, my goal is to make the filesystem a bootable filesystem with the files from the iso. is that a sound method for accomplishing this? |
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| 14:36.50 | somiaj | Gump: a bootablefilesystem .. filesystems don't work that way. |
| 14:37.16 | somiaj | Gump: mounting and iso is like mounting any other device with a filesystem on it. |
| 14:37.23 | Gump | somiaj, as in a filesystem i can boot from from the bios screen |
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| 14:37.29 | daemonkeeper | pecenipicek: Unless your rules are syntactically correct, they won't apply. You perhaps mean semantic correctness and that's nearly impossible to validate for a parser. Why don't you put a "iptables -F" into cron/at to a have backup in case something goes wrong |
| 14:37.35 | Gump | i did this before, i just forgot how i did it |
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| 14:38.38 | pecenipicek | daemonkeeper, yeah, that sounds like the best solution. simple every-minute cronjob that runs unless i flip the executable permish on the script to re-apply the working iptables file. |
| 14:38.55 | pecenipicek | (or kill the cronjob anyhow) |
| 14:39.01 | Guest91323 | http://www.picpaste.com/Bildschirmfoto-2szTfMy9.png looks like that... anyone having an idea how to solve this evince dislpaying problem? |
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| 14:41.21 | nvictor | hey all |
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| 14:41.39 | nvictor | what tool do you use for zip archives on linux? |
| 14:41.50 | Guest91323 | tar |
| 14:41.57 | pecenipicek | at the very least. |
| 14:42.24 | nvictor | Guest91323: tar: This does not look like a tar archive |
| 14:42.25 | Guest91323 | tar -xzf <Yourfilehere> |
| 14:42.33 | nvictor | that's why i was asking |
| 14:42.36 | nvictor | oh |
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| 14:42.41 | somiaj | nvictor: tar just packages the files into a single file, you can then apply gzip or bzip2 to the archive. |
| 14:42.41 | nvictor | i used -xaf |
| 14:42.50 | nvictor | i see |
| 14:42.59 | nvictor | so gzip is the compression tool |
| 14:43.02 | somiaj | nvictor: there are unzip/zip utilities if you need to extract a zip archive. |
| 14:43.05 | nvictor | but that's weird |
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| 14:43.12 | nvictor | zip didn't work |
| 14:43.25 | nvictor | somiaj: isn't the option -a supposed to auto detect the compression? |
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| 14:43.41 | pecenipicek | daemonkeeper, the only part i'm iffy about is the following: -A INPUT -d 224.0.0.1/32 -i eth0 -j DROP |
| 14:43.41 | pecenipicek | -A INPUT -d 224.0.0.1/32 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT . Would it work like i think it would, IE, it'd drop broadcast packets from one interface, but allow broadcast packets from the other? |
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| 14:44.19 | nvictor | somiaj: gzip: stdin has more than one entry--rest ignored |
| 14:44.31 | somiaj | nvictor: the man page says it uses the suffix to determine the compression. |
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| 14:44.41 | nvictor | the suffix is .zip |
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| 14:44.50 | somiaj | nvictor: so it can tell the difference beteween .tar.bz2 as opposed to .tar.bz |
| 14:44.58 | llpj | on a mixed system with packages from testing/unstable, how can I identify which packages come from which branch? |
| 14:45.00 | somiaj | nvictor: then get an unzip utility |
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| 14:45.07 | nvictor | somiaj: oh ok |
| 14:45.10 | nvictor | somiaj: thanks |
| 14:45.20 | budo | X apps keep freezing for no reason |
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| 14:45.39 | llpj | budo: which X apps? |
| 14:45.47 | budo | any of them |
| 14:45.48 | daemonkeeper | pecenipicek: First, this is multicast, no broadcast. Besides your excerpt looks reasonable, of course the default action the chain matters. |
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| 14:45.53 | llpj | budo: not only gtk apps? |
| 14:46.08 | budo | I have LXDE |
| 14:46.25 | llpj | budo: does xterm freeze on you or just apps like firefox |
| 14:46.42 | pecenipicek | daemonkeeper, isnt 224.0.0.1 considered a broadcast address for stuff like uPnP and such shenanigans? |
| 14:46.50 | nvictor | somiaj: there wasn't a package for google appengine |
| 14:46.51 | budo | xterm in the desktop freezes too |
| 14:46.56 | nvictor | somiaj: where should i put it? |
| 14:47.08 | budo | any app in the desktop is prone to freeze up at any time |
| 14:47.09 | CyL | what is the preferred way of installing skype on debian? |
| 14:47.14 | somiaj | nvictor: I have both 'zip' and 'unzip' installed on my system. |
| 14:47.25 | nvictor | somiaj: well i have unzip, not zip :) |
| 14:47.28 | somiaj | nvictor: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=unzip |
| 14:47.29 | daemonkeeper | pecenipicek: Still that is multicast, not broadcast. |
| 14:47.49 | tux0 | budo have you watched output from `top' or similar? |
| 14:47.49 | nvictor | somiaj: so i put gae in /usr/local/lib ? |
| 14:47.49 | pecenipicek | ah, yes. broadcast is *.*.*.255 address, right? |
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| 14:47.53 | Guest91323 | please help me ! what goes wrong there? http://www.picpaste.com/Bildschirmfoto-1-YrKhreRv.png |
| 14:47.55 | llpj | budo well if it were gtk apps I'd suggest you try passing them the --sync option, because I've had this problem myself |
| 14:48.05 | somiaj | nvictor: or just keep it in $HOME. |
| 14:48.14 | pecenipicek | feels a bit silly... |
| 14:48.15 | nvictor | somiaj: ok |
| 14:48.18 | daemonkeeper | pecenipicek: Sort of. Depending on your netmask. For a /24 it is .255 right |
| 14:48.24 | budo | how do I pass them the sync option |
| 14:48.28 | Guest91323 | evince and epdfview really bad reolution why? |
| 14:49.09 | babilen | !tell CyL -about skype |
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| 14:49.47 | CyL | babilen: thanks for the advice |
| 14:49.53 | babilen | np |
| 14:49.56 | tux0 | Guest91323 have you tried running them from a terminal such as gnome-terminal and seeing what they output when you open the pdf? |
| 14:49.57 | pecenipicek | daemonkeeper: if using a 192.168.*.* as the local net address range, aka class C if i remember my localnet basics, the netmask is always /24 (aka 255.255.255.0? ) |
| 14:49.59 | Ox1 | Guest91323: evince and epdfview are fine, you're document is the problem; it looks like bitmap |
| 14:50.10 | Ox1 | *your |
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| 14:50.26 | llpj | is flashplayer screwing up the desktop for anyone else (like appearing on desktops other than where the browser is in)? |
| 14:50.44 | Ox1 | request a vector version and you'll be able to scale up without loosing quality |
| 14:50.56 | daemonkeeper | pecenipicek: A class C network is 192.168.0.* in your example which is equal to a /24 prefix. In that case the netmask is 255.255.255.0 |
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| 14:51.12 | babilen | llpj: Did you check the BTS? Which version of Debian/flash? |
| 14:51.24 | daemonkeeper | pecenipicek: Note clasfull IP addressing has been obsolete since decades. |
| 14:51.27 | pecenipicek | the same applies if the net is 192.168.1.*, right? |
| 14:51.32 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 14:51.37 | pecenipicek | k. |
| 14:51.45 | llpj | babilen, flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.3, testing/unstable, haven't found anything on bts |
| 14:51.46 | budo | llpj: how do I pass the sync option? |
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| 14:51.51 | llpj | budo, firefox --sync |
| 14:52.17 | llpj | babilen, it started happening recently when i upgraded flash because of the most recent security hole |
| 14:52.18 | pecenipicek | i'm just going with what i read in the Linux Advanced Routing and Traffic Control HOWTO site. |
| 14:52.32 | budo | so start each app from terminal? |
| 14:52.34 | babilen | llpj: first: There is the #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid users and second: I don't see that behaviour, is it reproducible with different browsers? |
| 14:53.24 | llpj | babilen, i've only tried in firefox so far, and it only happens after going to fullscreen and back; given that it worked before, i'm quite confident it's flash (possibly combined with xorg/nv driver) |
| 14:53.42 | llpj | babilen, so this channel is for 'stable' only? |
| 14:54.02 | babilen | llpj: One thing about flash is that its memcpy usage is wrong, you might want to start your browser with "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libc/memcpy-preload.so /usr/bin/iceweasel" (or wahtever browser you use) and see if it still happens. |
| 14:54.09 | babilen | llpj: Yes, this channel is for stable |
| 14:54.09 | llpj | budo, well, yes, try that and see if it helps you at all |
| 14:55.40 | llpj | babilen, I don't have memcpy-preload.so anywhere on my system |
| 14:55.51 | budo | everything was working perfectly until all of sudden out of no where i had this problem |
| 14:56.07 | llpj | babilen, also can't find it on p.d.o |
| 14:56.32 | llpj | budo, it happened pretty much the same for me (in the course of some innocent upgrade) |
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| 14:57.39 | budo | ahhh maybe mine upgraded automatically |
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| 14:58.48 | babilen | llpj: Lets take it to #debian-next -- That file was shipped with libc6 2.13-3 -- And usage is documented in /usr/share/doc/libc6/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 14:59.48 | Guest91323 | if someone had a similar problem i think here is the answer â https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/poppler/+bug/150187 |
| 15:00.06 | Guest91323 | encince an dgeneral pdf viewing problem |
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| 15:01.49 | zapadlo | #debian-next Is invite only? |
| 15:02.16 | jelly-home | it's on irc.debian.org |
| 15:02.33 | zapadlo | jelly-home Thanks |
| 15:02.45 | jelly-home | (= irc.oftc.net) |
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| 15:05.57 | nvictor | hey, i can't access my usb ports |
| 15:06.11 | nvictor | vmplayer complained that parallel0 couldn't be accessed |
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| 15:06.50 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 15:06.50 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware #vmware on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 15:07.55 | nvictor | oh come on :) |
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| 15:10.56 | tux0 | nvictor try kvm |
| 15:11.03 | tux0 | or virtualbox :) |
| 15:11.10 | tux0 | or xen |
| 15:11.26 | wols_ | vbox in debian stable doesn't do USB access either |
| 15:11.56 | jelly-home | it doesn't do USB2, did they remove USB1.x support as well? |
| 15:12.27 | wols_ | no. they never allowed any usb access in the gpl version until 4.x |
| 15:12.39 | wols_ | 4.x in sid allows usb1.1 now |
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| 15:12.58 | jelly-home | I last used it in 2008 and vaguely remember usb working but slow with the virtualbox-ose |
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| 15:13.49 | wols_ | only with non-free extensions under a "PUEL" |
| 15:14.21 | jelly-home | I might be misremembering |
| 15:14.36 | budo | im just gonna run this puppy linux |
| 15:14.42 | budo | i cant get this thing to work |
| 15:16.24 | flamingspinach | why is zsnes in otherosfs/main and snes9x in games/non-free ? |
| 15:16.44 | flamingspinach | they pretty much serve the exact same purpose |
| 15:17.05 | flamingspinach | ... whoa, snes9x's package is ancient, that might have something to do with it |
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| 15:22.45 | daemonkeeper | That's apparently a reasonable question. |
| 15:23.28 | daemonkeeper | Oh |
| 15:23.29 | daemonkeeper | I see |
| 15:23.38 | frostschutz | strange, I'd expect zsnes package to be ancient, seeing how it's hard coded in assembler and no work is being done on it |
| 15:23.38 | daemonkeeper | snes9x is non-free software itself |
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| 15:27.36 | flamingspinach | frostschutz: yeah, odd, isn't it |
| 15:28.11 | flamingspinach | it's also a little surprising there's no package for bsnes :P |
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| 15:36.16 | ThePub | I would ike to install Debian on Bessy and put milking into a cron script. Can anyone tell me how? |
| 15:36.44 | wols_ | you got your name wrong. try again. |
| 15:36.44 | _jmz_ | this is kinda a long question so I made a forum post to explain it. but can anyone see where I'm going wrong with this wireless-wired bridge set up? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4369502#post4369502 |
| 15:37.33 | babilen | ThePub: Bessy? milking? What are you referring to? (assuming this is not a bad joke) |
| 15:38.01 | wols_ | babilen: better don't feed (bessie or the troll both) |
| 15:38.14 | babilen | ack |
| 15:38.32 | ThePub | people have no sense of humor in this channel anymore. :) |
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| 15:43.24 | npoektop | hi! afaik debian has arm oabi packages. I heard ubuntu has eabi. Is it right? |
| 15:43.58 | jelly-home | npoektop: Debian "armel" arch is EABI. |
| 15:44.00 | access_d | wow. ThePub: I got it. I guess noone else has milked a cow before. I'd want to make a script for that as well. :) |
| 15:44.19 | npoektop | jelly-home: oh, good. Thanks |
| 15:44.30 | babilen | access_d: The joke was not lost, but is still off-topic here |
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| 15:45.00 | jelly-home | !milk ThePub |
| 15:45.00 | dpkg | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, ThePub, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 15:45.42 | Zitter | is it possible to install a newer realease of Chromium on Squeeze? Version 6 is very outdated |
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| 15:46.48 | access_d | babilen: Looks like dpkg knows all about it. Not so off topic then, I guess. :) |
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| 15:48.20 | cookiemon5ter | what is chromiumj on now 11 or 12 ? |
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| 15:48.54 | babilen | Zitter: Not sure how easy it is to backports (due to dependencies) but you could try it: "/msg dpkg ssb" to learn how |
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| 15:54.27 | somiaj | Zitter: you should look for a backport at backports.debian.org first. |
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| 15:55.30 | Zitter | no chromium pkg on backports |
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| 15:56.25 | dym | What package includes the "mysql_real_escape_string" function? |
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| 15:56.51 | Krobar | Anyone using DVD-RAM on Deb? |
| 15:57.31 | macrobat | !anyone |
| 15:57.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:57.50 | Krobar | Guess it is a bit legacy :) |
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| 15:58.48 | Krobar | Hmmm, seems the DVD-RAM problem is actually automount |
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| 15:59.18 | Krobar | This works: mount -t vfat /dev/sr1 /mnt/dvd-ram |
| 16:02.05 | michalxo | hello! does anyone knows, what all folders are for gnome in homespace? I can't change theme (only borders dunno why on most of the themes) on other user account it works OK |
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| 16:02.07 | Zitter | ok, I've installed Chrome (v. 11) from Google website, it has a ready .deb too! |
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| 16:03.51 | Krobar | Does anyone know why Automount assumes a DVD-RAM disk is UDF? |
| 16:04.08 | Krobar | FAT32 and ext are also valid formats for these disks. |
| 16:04.09 | somiaj | because that is the default filesystem of a dvd? |
| 16:04.27 | homie | hmm, i don't have stereo for my speakers somehow, muting the left side i get no sound for the master, muting the right side nothing changes.... |
| 16:04.40 | Krobar | So it doesnt differentiate between DVD and DVD-RAM? |
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| 16:06.20 | somiaj | Krobar: I'm just guessing. |
| 16:06.30 | somiaj | Krobar: but auto determing the fs doens't always work. |
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| 16:16.58 | wdbl | what's the best place to add a directory to the PATH for all users including root? |
| 16:17.25 | toropisco | wdbl: /etc/profile |
| 16:18.30 | wdbl | I don't see any "return"s in there, so just add it to the end? |
| 16:18.41 | wdbl | do I have to add it above "export PATH"? |
| 16:18.53 | toropisco | wdbl: you add it to the PATH definition lines. |
| 16:19.24 | toropisco | wdbl: follow the syntax. Order is important, left has higher priority that right. |
| 16:19.39 | wdbl | oh, just modify the string that says PATH="/usr/local/...." |
| 16:19.46 | toropisco | wdbl: correct. |
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| 16:20.35 | wdbl | ok thank you very much |
| 16:20.48 | toropisco | wdbl: hint: You can use $HOME/path to add a local directory for each home dir |
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| 16:21.47 | wdbl | for the root user, it looks like "/bin" is last |
| 16:21.53 | wdbl | on the right |
| 16:22.09 | wdbl | why is that lower priority than /usr/local/sbin? |
| 16:22.24 | wdbl | which is first (on the left) |
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| 16:22.45 | wdbl | oh nvm |
| 16:22.46 | vatzec | Hello! I'm trying to use GNU Octave on Debian, but something's wrong with it -- I've installed it from the repos (by doing # apt-get install octave), and it's installed fine, and, while testing it, I've created a matrix (eg. by doing "A = [1;4]"), and it's worked fine, but doing A*A' (or det(A), or transpose(A)) results in an error. What could it be? |
| 16:22.52 | wdbl | it's not priority. it's overrides |
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| 16:23.10 | vatzec | Oh, excuse me. transpose(A) works. A*transpose(A) doesn't. |
| 16:23.11 | wdbl | so you can have a user-specific version of a command that overrides the system bin |
| 16:23.26 | wdbl | priority, override...same thing. ok thanks again |
| 16:24.07 | toropisco | wdbl: :-= |
| 16:24.10 | toropisco | wdbl: :-== |
| 16:24.25 | toropisco | wdbl: :-) phew! |
| 16:24.29 | vatzec | Here's the output I get: http://pastebin.com/agQZBjaG |
| 16:24.30 | wdbl | sorry |
| 16:25.29 | toropisco | wdbl: noo, don't be. You solved the riddle yourself (kudos on that). I'm apoligizing for my silly typos. :-) |
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| 16:29.36 | wdbl | ok the only problem is that adding it in /etc/profile didn't add it for root |
| 16:29.46 | wdbl | so nginx works, but sudo nginx doesn't |
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| 16:34.13 | vatzec | Ha, removing libatlas3gf-base did it (the Octave thing)! |
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| 16:37.58 | wdbl | ugg, /etc/profile is not for root. http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/prepostpath.htm |
| 16:38.15 | toropisco | wdbl: for processes that are started at boot time you need to restart the process with the init script or rebooting the machine. |
| 16:38.18 | Arrowmaster | if you want to change the $PATH for sudo you need to edit /etc/sudoers |
| 16:38.43 | toropisco | wdbl: or add it to the local PATH in the init script... |
| 16:39.32 | wdbl | I probably shouldn't run nginx as root anyway |
| 16:39.44 | wdbl | and just fix the permissions sow it can run as a normal user |
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| 16:41.08 | Arrowmaster | it has to run as root if you want it to run on port 80 |
| 16:41.23 | wdbl | really? why? |
| 16:41.35 | wdbl | ports lower than 1024 have to run as root? |
| 16:41.44 | wdbl | or whatever the low range is |
| 16:42.23 | wdbl | (sorry, i'm kind of a newb. i know programming languages, not system administration.) |
| 16:42.51 | Iridos | yes |
| 16:42.57 | Arrowmaster | yes ports lower than 1024 cant be bound to by non root |
| 16:43.04 | Iridos | ports below 1024 are privileged |
| 16:43.18 | Arrowmaster | most programs that need to will start as root then drop their privs to some other user |
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| 16:43.57 | wdbl | yeah because running a web server as root doesn't sound secure |
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| 16:57.26 | wdbl | well this is crazy. not sure why it has to be so complicated. I added PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/nginx/sbin; export PATH; to /root/.bash_profile and now it's in root's path, but it still doesn't work for sudo. adding that same line to /etc/sudoers gets me a syntax error. |
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| 16:58.02 | wdbl | next attempt will be to add it to a script in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
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| 17:00.09 | Arrowmaster | wdbl: i told you that for sudo you MUST edit /etc/sudoers |
| 17:00.22 | wdbl | i did. it got me syntax errors |
| 17:00.31 | Arrowmaster | read the man page |
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| 17:01.06 | wols_ | wdbl: man sudo. especially "-i" |
| 17:01.13 | wols_ | that should take care of environment |
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| 17:04.54 | manawy | hello |
| 17:05.19 | manawy | I need cython 0.14.1 on squeeze, how I can rebuild the package ? |
| 17:05.48 | wols_ | ,versions cython |
| 17:05.48 | judd | Package cython on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8-1; squeeze: 0.12.1-1.1; sid: 0.14.1-6; wheezy: 0.14.1-6 |
| 17:05.55 | wols_ | !tell manawy about ssb |
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| 17:07.10 | manawy | oh, we can use src repository from another version, great :) |
| 17:07.29 | manawy | thank you wols_ :) |
| 17:07.29 | wols_ | within limits. it doesn't always work |
| 17:07.48 | wols_ | if you encounter problems, just ask in here again |
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| 17:07.56 | wdbl | ok so I added PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/nginx/sbin; export PATH; to /etc/environment because man sudo said that is the "Initial environment for -i mode on Linux and AIX." but it still don't work |
| 17:09.11 | wdbl | sudo -i gets me errors (bash: id: command not found and bash: [: : integer expression expected) |
| 17:09.29 | Arrowmaster | because sudo scrubs the path to only include what its configured to |
| 17:09.32 | wdbl | and it still says command not found for sudo nginx and for sudo -i; nginx |
| 17:10.16 | wdbl | ok where is that configuration? |
| 17:11.11 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: if you use -i it runs a login shell which in turn should run .profile and such, thus setting PATH, no? |
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| 17:11.35 | Arrowmaster | wols_: yeah |
| 17:11.36 | wdbl | I just want to be able to do "sudo nginx" and have it work |
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| 17:11.51 | wdbl | that's how other stuff works |
| 17:11.57 | wdbl | how can I do that? |
| 17:12.45 | wdbl | I'd really like to learn the whole system, but at this point I just want to get that working |
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| 17:13.08 | lucske | hi, is it possible to have a splash screen during boot-up of the kernel? |
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| 17:15.13 | lucske | hi, is it possible to have a splash screen during boot-up of the kernel? |
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| 17:16.08 | lucske | I tried to force a splash screen using the command line in grub that did not make any difference |
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| 17:16.51 | lucske | lol, Debian is not Ubuntu, I know.. But still, maybe a splash screen would be nice, so I thougt I'd ask |
| 17:16.55 | wols_ | lucske: splashy |
| 17:17.02 | wols_ | you need to install and configure it |
| 17:17.10 | lucske | okay, thanks a lot! |
| 17:17.17 | lucske | I will dive into that |
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| 17:17.50 | wols_ | sorry. seems the power that be removed it from squeeze :( but it is in wheezy and sid. maybe backport |
| 17:18.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions splashy |
| 17:18.35 | judd | Package splashy on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.13-3+lenny1; sid: 0.3.13-5.1+b1; wheezy: 0.3.13-5.1+b1 |
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| 17:20.42 | ZykoticK9 | wols_, jhutchins_lt it seems strange, to me, that a package that is in lenny, and included in wheezy and sid, would skips squeeze... |
| 17:21.46 | wols_ | ZykoticK9: could have RC bugs |
| 17:21.50 | jhutchins_lt | ZykoticK9: Perhaps because it's not working yet. |
| 17:21.59 | jhutchins_lt | ZykoticK9: Failed when I tried it. |
| 17:22.25 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: if it doesn't work why is it in lenny then... |
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| 17:22.52 | ZykoticK9 | jhutchins_lt, it's not something i'm specifically interested in. The Lenny -> Wheezy jump just seems odd (to me) |
| 17:22.55 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Apparently it worked well enough for enough people to get by. Once it's released packages are rarely pulled. |
| 17:23.30 | wols_ | ZykoticK9: check aircrack-ng. lenny, sid |
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| 17:23.42 | wols_ | tho that could have other reasons as well. "hacker tool" |
| 17:24.09 | wols_ | tho kismet is available |
| 17:24.43 | jhutchins_lt | A lot of packages are like that. They work fine for some people (like the packager) or they wouldn't get packaged. Once they get out in the world, a wider range of systems are exposed. Debian has higher standards for how well stuff has to work for how many people. |
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| 17:25.02 | retaehc | splashy is a hacker tool? |
| 17:25.14 | wols_ | no. aircrack-ng is |
| 17:25.37 | retaehc | i was beginning to wonder about that, you know. |
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| 17:30.34 | giantbadger | hi all |
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| 17:35.20 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:37.16 | wols_ | can you compile a kernel on a ntfs disk? |
| 17:37.30 | wols_ | with kernel-package that is. or does it need permissions? |
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| 17:38.06 | simonlnu | unix fses |
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| 17:38.47 | wols_ | so perms are needed? |
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| 17:39.28 | AthomIk | hello |
| 17:39.34 | simonlnu | yes, chown and chmod happen a lot |
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| 17:40.09 | AthomIk | for secure debian i use fail2ban, exist new system for this ? |
| 17:40.43 | Schroeder | AthomIk: You should really be using Slackware. |
| 17:40.50 | daemonkeeper | simonlnu: I guess it should be possible to come over this problem, for example extract and compile the kernel in a loopback image. |
| 17:40.52 | simonlnu | ... |
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| 17:40.59 | simonlnu | Schroeder: don't troll |
| 17:41.08 | Schroeder | simonlnu: Who's trolling? |
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| 17:41.21 | simonlnu | Schroeder: don't troll |
| 17:41.29 | simonlnu | daemonkeeper: probably yes |
| 17:41.38 | AthomIk | Schroeder: why slackware ? |
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| 17:41.53 | Schroeder | simonlnu: Why are you repeating yourself? I don't see anyone trolling in here; perhaps you could tell me who it is. |
| 17:41.58 | wols_ | AthomIk: don't fall for it. why do you need something else than fail2ban? |
| 17:41.59 | daemonkeeper | AthomIk: Feel free to ignore Schroeder, alternatives include but are not limited to denyhosts |
| 17:42.02 | AthomIk | ok Schroeder is a troll :) |
| 17:42.11 | Schroeder | AthomIk: It's practically perfect in every eay. Simpler and easier to set up and maintain, for instance. |
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| 17:42.48 | AthomIk | Schroeder: ok sclack is good too, no problem for this |
| 17:44.02 | simonlnu | !ops Schroeder trolling |
| 17:44.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonlnu complains about: Schroeder trolling |
| 17:44.19 | Schroeder | simonlnu: Why are you accusing me of something I'm not doing? |
| 17:44.27 | Schroeder | I'm trying to help someone; why do you call that "trolling"? |
| 17:44.35 | Corey | Schroeder: This isn't an advocacy channel. |
| 17:44.41 | AthomIk | Schroeder: linux Vs linux is not a god war |
| 17:44.49 | simonlnu | no you're not helping. |
| 17:44.58 | bzed | Schroeder: and see, now we are helping you in leaving the channel. |
| 17:45.19 | daemonkeeper | (eventually) |
| 17:45.43 | AthomIk | well.... fail2ban is obsolete ? |
| 17:45.58 | wols_ | ,versions fail2ban |
| 17:45.58 | judd | Package fail2ban on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.3-2sid1; squeeze: 0.8.4-3; sid: 0.8.4+svn20110323-1; wheezy: 0.8.4+svn20110323-1 |
| 17:46.08 | jelly-home | AthomIk: it's still there |
| 17:46.09 | wols_ | doesn't look like it's obsolete to me |
| 17:46.22 | wols_ | in current development too |
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| 17:46.42 | daemonkeeper | afaict it has a dead upstream |
| 17:46.56 | wols_ | daemonkeeper: died after march? |
| 17:47.17 | AthomIk | ok, my question is : fail2ban is secure a this time ? |
| 17:47.33 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: Secure how? |
| 17:47.58 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: secure, because bad user can't break this ? |
| 17:48.24 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: Do you know how it works? |
| 17:48.34 | daemonkeeper | wols_: afaict the current Debian maintainer is more or less upstream. |
| 17:48.36 | simonlnu | AthomIk: security is layered |
| 17:48.41 | wols_ | AthomIk: no one knows if a software has zero day exploits. no one can guarantee the security of almost any software |
| 17:49.07 | AthomIk | ok thk |
| 17:49.13 | vatzec | It seems that the Debian 6.0.1a CD1 doesn't install network-manager-gnome by default. Is that correct? |
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| 17:49.43 | daemonkeeper | wols_: Or I'm confusing it with denyhosts. Either one is almost dead. |
| 17:49.45 | vatzec | Network configuration during installation didn't succeed, so I'm left without network connectivity on that computer now. What do you recommend? |
| 17:50.03 | wols_ | vatzec: how are you trying to connect to the internet exactly? |
| 17:50.05 | vatzec | (The drivers are supported, but there's no ifconfig nor wpa_supplicant nor nm-applet) |
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| 17:50.16 | wols_ | vatzec: wpasupplicant is on disk1 |
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| 17:50.25 | wols_ | vatzec: ifconfig is installed always by default |
| 17:50.38 | vatzec | Do I have to execute it as root? Because it tells me there's no such command |
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| 17:50.47 | wols_ | vatzec: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 17:50.58 | wols_ | vatzec: answer my question please |
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| 17:51.14 | vatzec | Works as root, doesn't as a normal user. :-) |
| 17:51.20 | vatzec | What do you mean? |
| 17:51.26 | vatzec | I mean, what do you mean by "how"? |
| 17:51.50 | wols_ | it works fine as normal user as well as ifconfig work. I mean what method, wlan or ethernet, what chip, what encryption if wlan, etc |
| 17:51.54 | vatzec | It's an ASCII WEP-encrypted Wifi |
| 17:52.03 | vatzec | ath9k |
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| 17:52.20 | simonlnu | probably denyhosts.. |
| 17:52.21 | vatzec | But executing `ifconfig` as a normal user doesn't do anything. It says "not found" |
| 17:52.40 | wols_ | with ath9k you probably want a backports kernel. more stable ath9k driver. WEP is supported out of the box, wpasupplicant is not necessary for WEP |
| 17:52.44 | SpeedyG | vatzec: for wlan you might need iwconfig ? |
| 17:52.53 | vatzec | SpeedyG: Yep. And hey! :-) |
| 17:52.54 | wols_ | dunno about nm-applet. /msg dpkg cd content to check if it's tehre |
| 17:53.19 | SpeedyG | vatzec: and ifconfig works as well, just use /sbin/ifconfig |
| 17:53.23 | vatzec | It'd be cool if it was on by default. |
| 17:53.31 | vatzec | SpeedyG: Yeah, but the alias "ifconfig" itself doesnt |
| 17:53.44 | SpeedyG | thats because its not in the user's path ;) |
| 17:53.46 | vatzec | Alright, I'll try connecting with iwconfig :-) |
| 17:53.52 | vatzec | Alright :-) |
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| 17:53.58 | wols_ | vatzec: normal users have no reason to have /sbin in their path |
| 17:54.05 | vatzec | Well, yeah. Good point. |
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| 17:54.29 | mrdeb | you know what's interesting |
| 17:54.33 | jelly-home | wols_: except if they want to find out their own ip address |
| 17:54.48 | mrdeb | hissing is present on same sound chip on only one of different computers |
| 17:54.53 | mrdeb | wonder why |
| 17:54.57 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: then they still have no reason to have the entire /sbin in their path ;) |
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| 17:55.30 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: that's exactly what I end up doing because of silly binary placements |
| 17:55.47 | wols_ | jelly-home: so you'd put ifconfig in /bin? |
| 17:55.57 | jelly-home | wols_: yes. |
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| 17:56.05 | wols_ | I think ubuntu has /sbin in normal user path IIRC |
| 17:56.07 | lucske | nice tip on installing splashy to get a nice boot-up process. Pitty it is not in squeeze. Any idea how to get it there? |
| 17:56.16 | wols_ | !tell lucske about ssb |
| 17:56.21 | Arrowmaster | doesnt fedora have ifconfig in /bin |
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| 17:56.34 | wols_ | lucske: or maybe install it from lenny, dunno if that works |
| 17:56.35 | jelly-home | wols_: I'd make it available by default, no matter where it actually happens to end up |
| 17:56.38 | Arrowmaster | not that i like fedora or anything |
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| 17:57.02 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: Fedora and RHEL have switched to using iproute tools a looong time ago |
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| 17:57.14 | Arrowmaster | right but it still has ifconfig |
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| 17:58.34 | lucske | hi Wols_ now I find Plymouth is listed for Squeeze. |
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| 17:59.03 | simonlnu | like bind still has nslookup, but it's not used much |
| 17:59.09 | jorge_ | hola a todos |
| 17:59.18 | wols_ | lucske: what is "Plymouth"? a .deb package? man apt-cache /msg dpkg apt-file http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:00.27 | lucske | wols_: yes it is; it is called plymouth without uppercase |
| 18:00.44 | wols_ | lucske: I told you how to search for packages |
| 18:00.46 | lucske | think it source is at freedesktop.org |
| 18:01.04 | lucske | it is available in squeeze repos |
| 18:01.05 | wols_ | ,versions plymouth |
| 18:01.06 | judd | Package plymouth on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.3-9.1; sid: 0.8.3-18+b1; wheezy: 0.8.3-18+b1 |
| 18:01.29 | simonlnu | ,info plymouth |
| 18:01.30 | judd | Package plymouth (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Graphical Boot Animation and Logger. Version: 0.8.3-9.1; Size: 211.6k; Installed: 752k; Homepage: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth |
| 18:01.31 | vatzec | Alright, I've iwconfig essided my card, then iwconfig keyed it, and then ifconfig upped it. I still can't ping my router (by IP). IS there anything I haven't done? |
| 18:01.50 | wols_ | vatzec: checked dmesg? |
| 18:02.02 | vatzec | It says associated |
| 18:02.04 | vatzec | And authenticated |
| 18:02.15 | wols_ | vatzec: set route, dns, etc? |
| 18:02.26 | wols_ | vatzec: or gotten a dhcp leas? |
| 18:02.30 | wols_ | +e |
| 18:02.31 | vatzec | I didn't set DNSes. Doesn't iwconfig/ifconfig do that by defualt? |
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| 18:03.46 | simonlnu | no |
| 18:04.04 | vatzec | BTW, wols_, seems that wpa_supplicant is installed by default! Cool! |
| 18:04.15 | vatzec | It just isn't available under a normal user account, like ifconfig. |
| 18:04.26 | wols_ | vatzec: not by default. it gets installed depending on your tasksel selection at the end of installation |
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| 18:04.36 | vatzec | oh. |
| 18:04.43 | vatzec | I've selected standard tools, graphical env, and laptop. |
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| 18:07.43 | Dvorak_AJS | hi, is this the right place to ask a question about installing debian? |
| 18:08.00 | wols_ | of course |
| 18:08.38 | Dvorak_AJS | I'm making a usb boot disk using the guide (the x86 one) but I'm always getting a message when booting that the disk is "not a bootable disk" |
| 18:09.12 | Dvorak_AJS | I'm using the "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX" method to burn a boot.img.gz from the site |
| 18:09.17 | Dvorak_AJS | any ideas? |
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| 18:09.44 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: download the hybrid ISO and dd it to the usb stick |
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| 18:10.16 | Dvorak_AJS | where do I get the hybrid iso? |
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| 18:10.48 | thewanderer1 | Dvorak_AJS: errr... does it ever occur to you that you forget to decompress an image before writing it? |
| 18:10.53 | tekk | hi guys, i'm using apt-mirror to lower the amount of external bw I use in my network.... my mirror however is running apache on an alternative port (81) if i specify this different port in /etc/apt/sources.list of hosts, apt-get update fails with connect (111: Connection refused), however it is open... any ideas? |
| 18:11.06 | tekk | sorry i think i just realised myself the problem :s |
| 18:11.14 | Dvorak_AJS | thewanderer1: zcat decompresses if I'm not mistaken, no? |
| 18:11.20 | thewanderer1 | oh, zcat |
| 18:11.21 | Dvorak_AJS | (also does my quoting you work?) |
| 18:11.24 | tekk | sometimes wehn you echo something back to yourself you realise |
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| 18:12.26 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: sorry. seems only debian live cds are hybrid :( |
| 18:12.41 | thewanderer1 | wols_: I believe the Devian Live CDs now come with some kind of installer |
| 18:12.46 | aanandc | I get disconnected from wifi, and could not connect again. |
| 18:12.47 | thewanderer1 | haven't tested it, just read somewhere |
| 18:12.48 | cutout | Hi, I want to install sun jre on squeeze but am not able to. http://paste.ubuntu.com/614262/ |
| 18:13.05 | aanandc | killall wpa_supplicant fixes this |
| 18:13.51 | wols_ | cutout: that package is in non-free |
| 18:13.51 | aanandc | I am able to connect again. (squeeze) |
| 18:13.57 | Dvorak_AJS | I really don't understand since I'm literally following the guide I can't seem to find the problem at all... |
| 18:14.09 | aanandc | Does anyone know a better solution ? |
| 18:14.19 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: BIOS problem? when exactly is this error showing? |
| 18:14.30 | cutout | wols_: how to add it to the sourcelist? |
| 18:14.32 | wols_ | cause "Not a bootable disk" sounds more like the BIOS can't boot it |
| 18:14.40 | wols_ | !tell cutout about non-free |
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| 18:14.54 | ZykoticK9 | Dvorak_AJS, <very unsupported suggestion follows!> after struggling to get squeeze to boot from any official 6.0 media, I discovered Unetbootin. I selected Squeeze from a dropdown menu, and let it automatically download and create a working USB bootable netinstall media. |
| 18:14.57 | Dvorak_AJS | wols_, hmm weird because it doesn't boot on both pc's |
| 18:15.31 | Dvorak_AJS | ZykoticK9, you couldn't be any more right, that's what I eventually did last time but I just want it to work like this xD! |
| 18:15.54 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: relax. we had lots of reports of unetbootin not working properly either :P |
| 18:16.17 | npoektop | if i mount ext3 partition on sdhc flash card, what options can help to prolong life of sd? |
| 18:16.55 | Dvorak_AJS | okay I just tried again and it says: "this is not a bootable disk. please insert a bootable floppy and press any ket to try again..." |
| 18:17.05 | thewanderer1 | npoektop: if you're using this as a system partition or do temporary file / log file manipulation, use tmpfs for storing those and commit only on shutdown/reboot |
| 18:17.06 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: BIOS |
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| 18:17.20 | thewanderer1 | yeah, sounds like a buggy implementation... |
| 18:17.27 | nkuttler | meh. xvfb docs suck |
| 18:17.50 | vatzec | Hmm. I've connected to the wifi network, but pinging my router by IP still doesn't work. Any ideas? I've only done the ifconfig and iwconfig essid, key, and up commands. |
| 18:17.54 | wols_ | not so much buggy, but BIOS does "support" USB-CD, USB-HDD, USB-ZIP and $deity knows what else |
| 18:17.55 | Dvorak_AJS | what should I try to fix next then? Im going to try and boot it on this laptop once, wouldn't be normal for it to bug on 2 pc's right? |
| 18:18.12 | wols_ | vatzec: you've been told above what's missing. probably an IP for starters |
| 18:18.27 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: what is your BIOS setting? |
| 18:18.28 | vatzec | wols_: How do I set the route? |
| 18:18.48 | wols_ | vatzec: run "dhclient <interface name>" instead |
| 18:19.11 | npoektop | thewanderer1: no, it's not for tmp files. I'm running android, it knows only ext3 |
| 18:19.11 | cutout | thanks wols_ |
| 18:19.12 | wols_ | vatzec: and to set up a static IP I suggest "man interfaces" and /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ |
| 18:19.15 | Dvorak_AJS | wols_, What exactly do you want to know? (also do my letters appear in red, otherwise how do I quote you in color like you do?) |
| 18:19.38 | wols_ | npoektop: that's nice but unless android is suddenly debian, you are in the wrong channel me thinks |
| 18:19.58 | vatzec | wols_: Thanks! That worked! :-) I thought ifconfig does the dhcp stuff! |
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| 18:20.30 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: the highlighting is done by your irc client most likely since I directly address you with "Dvorak_AJS:". and my client highlights your nick in yellow for example (irssi) |
| 18:20.57 | Dvorak_AJS | k |
| 18:20.59 | wols_ | vatzec: I STRONGLY suggest you read the manpage and the doc files I suggested above |
| 18:21.10 | tharkun | Gentlemen is apt-cacher-ng capable inteded to be used also by aptitude or apt-get on that very same server? (Self reference for the cache) |
| 18:21.10 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: I want to know what you set in your BIOS |
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| 18:21.51 | Dvorak_AJS | wols_, I set booting to [removable Dev.] first, didn't change anything else, I did a firmware upgrade last time I think |
| 18:21.52 | vatzec | wols_: OK, thanks! |
| 18:22.25 | vatzec | Thanks a lot. :-) |
| 18:22.26 | wols_ | tharkun: apt-cacher-ng is just a specialized proxy, so of course all libapt programs on site should use it |
| 18:22.34 | Miesco | http://pastebin.com/fnvyY7yQ |
| 18:22.36 | Miesco | Whats all that about |
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| 18:23.09 | Miesco | [245793.477671] usb 4-2: device not accepting address 0, error -22 |
| 18:23.15 | tharkun | wols_: Thanks i didn't think of it as a speciallized proxy but you are right. |
| 18:23.21 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: I'd try and download the hybrid ISO live cd and try it. you can't lose :) e.g. http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 18:23.23 | Miesco | I keep getting this repeatidly |
| 18:23.49 | agrundner | what are some reasons why one would see: "The following packages have been kept back:" when doing upgrade? |
| 18:24.05 | thewanderer1 | Dvorak_AJS: hmm. you were putting this on a pendrive, right? what make and model? |
| 18:24.09 | wols_ | !kept back |
| 18:24.09 | dpkg | kept back is probably when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 18:24.33 | Dvorak_AJS | thewanderer1, corsair survivor 8g |
| 18:24.47 | Dvorak_AJS | wols_, will try that for now:) |
| 18:24.48 | agrundner | dpkg: good info, thanks. |
| 18:24.48 | dpkg | agrundner: no idea |
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| 18:25.04 | wols_ | dpkg: good bot |
| 18:25.05 | dpkg | thanks, wols_ |
| 18:25.53 | project2501a | does config.log save the ./configure command line? |
| 18:26.57 | wols_ | project2501a: not here |
| 18:27.05 | project2501a | i selected piccatsu |
| 18:27.09 | thewanderer1 | Dvorak_AJS: ok, I was only verifying that it's not one of those funky devices which present themselves as CD-ROMs and do other tricks to the BIOS |
| 18:27.36 | Dvorak_AJS | wols_, just to be certain, I'm on x86 not i386 so I used: http://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/iso-hybrid/, that's ok right? |
| 18:28.02 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: yes. i386 is 32bit x86. amd64 is 64bit x86 |
| 18:28.12 | agrundner | cool. doing: apt-get dist-upgrade has fixed my problem |
| 18:28.17 | Dvorak_AJS | nice thanks |
| 18:28.34 | wols_ | Dvorak_AJS: how much memory? |
| 18:29.16 | Dvorak_AJS | wols_, 3G ram if I understand the question properly |
| 18:29.48 | wols_ | i386 is fine then |
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| 18:30.23 | project2501a | what is a "host spec" |
| 18:30.31 | project2501a | ? |
| 18:30.37 | wols_ | project2501a: context? |
| 18:30.45 | project2501a | --with-hostspec add full host specs to the build dir name |
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| 18:31.05 | wols_ | project2501a: i486-gnu-pc or such probably |
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| 18:33.52 | Bobstro | I'm looking for help troubleshooting miserable network performance on a squeeze/testing install. I'm on 1 G network hardware. The same box had stellar performance before this install. Download speeds from the new box are ~100 kB/s. Same hardware before was well above 1 mB/s. Same results downloading with Samba, SCP and FTP. Any tips? |
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| 18:34.40 | wols_ | GBit ethernet and 1MB/s is not "stellar speeds" it's godawful |
| 18:35.14 | tonsofpcs | Bobstro: how is it interconnected? |
| 18:35.16 | Bobstro | well, "well above" as in "it was fast enough it never bothered me before". |
| 18:35.45 | Bobstro | Each box into same 8 port D-Link switch. Downloads from other boxes on same switch are fine. |
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| 18:36.32 | Dvorak_AJS | wols_, well thanks man, I'm going to try what you told me and I'll report back in later! |
| 18:36.37 | Bobstro | wols_: I never actually benchmarked it before, but I'm getting miserale speeds since this install (my first resturn to debian after a while). |
| 18:37.05 | somiaj | Bobstro: does the box have lots of memeory, can you say transfer a largefile into a tmpfs memory drive just fine (maybe dma is turned down and your just getting really low write speeds) |
| 18:37.05 | wols_ | Bobstro: what NIC? |
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| 18:37.08 | Bobstro | FWIW, i've disabled firewall (ufw) on all boxes. |
| 18:37.50 | Bobstro | wols_: Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP77 Ethernet (rev a2) per lspci |
| 18:38.05 | somiaj | Bobstro: though it is more likely a network issue, could be your network card isn't connencting at the full speed on that network. does dmesg tell you what speed the network card is connencting/running at/ |
| 18:38.07 | nkuttler | is beginning to blame the crappy vps for the Xvfb troubles.. |
| 18:38.13 | Bobstro | somiaj: i did recently upgrade it to 8G from 6G RAM. |
| 18:38.44 | somiaj | Bobstro: well I was just saying that is a test make sure its a network issue (and not some hd issue which is rare) |
| 18:38.52 | somiaj | Bobstro: more just brain farting. |
| 18:38.56 | Bobstro | somiaj: oh, no i appreciate it. |
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| 18:39.38 | Bobstro | ethtool says it's at 1000Mb/s, full duplex |
| 18:39.56 | Bobstro | I've swapped calbes to be sure, though again, same box was fast (enough) before. |
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| 18:41.19 | Bobstro | I am running virtualbox on the new setup, which I wasn't before. Old box had VMware Server on it. |
| 18:42.10 | Bobstro | Both client and server show 0 errors with ifconfig |
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| 18:45.05 | Bobstro | somiaj: hdparm -t is saying reads are between 60-127 MB/s, depending on drive. this is a generic sort of box, not a high horsepower server. |
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| 18:45.55 | project2501a | !ssl |
| 18:45.55 | dpkg | Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) is a protocol specified by Netscape that allows for "secure" passage of data. It uses public key encryption, including digital certificates and digital signatures, to pass data between a browser and a server, or more generally, all sorts of network clients and the respective servers. It is an open standard and most modern browsers support it. |
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| 18:46.21 | Dvorak_AJS | wols_, hey, guess who's back, I fixed it! |
| 18:46.42 | Dvorak_AJS | wols_, trick was to zcat to /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1 |
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| 18:47.33 | Dvorak_AJS | wols_, the manual states sdX wich was quiet unclear for me |
| 18:48.21 | Dvorak_AJS | god so many mistakes in once sentence :p |
| 18:48.31 | thewanderer1 | huh... I thought when you said sdX, X was one character :P |
| 18:48.47 | Dvorak_AJS | yeah that's probably what they meant, stupid me |
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| 18:53.10 | wols_ | thewanderer1: so did I... |
| 18:53.26 | thewanderer1 | maybe a patch to the manual would be useful |
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| 18:56.14 | dwaynewayne | I'm having a weird issue... I have a USB device connected... it works, but I do not get ANY output from /dev/input |
| 18:57.33 | wols_ | maybe it doesn't use /dev/input ? |
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| 18:59.11 | dwaynewayne | it does |
| 18:59.18 | dwaynewayne | it seems like X grabs the input device exclusively, results in no output |
| 18:59.45 | dwaynewayne | I am able to get output... but ONLY if a start a new tty session |
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| 19:00.04 | wols_ | how is the size of /tmp determined? when compiling a kernel I get <built-in>:0: fatal error: when writing output to /tmp/cc5S2Sng.s: No space left on device |
| 19:01.08 | somiaj | wols_: as a tmpfs....did you check /etc/default/tmpfs? |
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| 19:02.13 | wols_ | not yet. I guess SHM_SIZE is what I should change (or enter a value in the first place)? |
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| 19:02.35 | somiaj | wols_: looks like the default is 20% is set to max size, but you can set TMP_SIZE for /tmp directally and override the defaults. |
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| 19:03.09 | somiaj | SHM_SIZE is th size of /run/shm (or /dev/shm) |
| 19:03.57 | wols_ | I just unmounted /tmp and make it use the normal FS. after the compile I remount it |
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| 19:06.02 | somiaj | did you catch how much space in /tmp is needed to compile a kernel? |
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| 19:06.47 | wols_ | no. amount of RAM is 2GB. otherwise standard squeeze |
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| 19:07.53 | somiaj | I was just courious how much room you need in /tmp, probably enough to put everything required for initramfs there -- since I don't use that I am not sure on the size. |
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| 19:09.31 | wols_ | good think you remind me of it. need to remove initrd stuff. and it more looked like kallsyms or such. basically when make-kpkg wanted to create the kernel itself, shortly before it starts compiling modules |
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| 19:16.47 | antivirtel | hi, what is the difference between the four listed kernels during the setup?? (linux-image-2.6{-486,-686,.32-5-486,.32-5-686}) |
| 19:17.17 | dvs | antivirtel: -486 and -686 are virtual packages which will always install the latest version. |
| 19:17.23 | wols_ | antivirtel: are you running a 686 class cpu or later? |
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| 19:18.42 | antivirtel | wols_ I have AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ |
| 19:19.05 | antivirtel | dvs and the others? installs only that and that's all? |
| 19:19.09 | wols_ | then you use the -686 kernel. no matter which, both point to the same package |
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| 19:19.19 | dvs | antivirtel: yes |
| 19:19.33 | antivirtel | dvs and no updates on that? |
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| 19:19.38 | dvs | antivirtel: no |
| 19:19.43 | antivirtel | oh, ok |
| 19:19.49 | antivirtel | thanks dvs and wols_ |
| 19:19.52 | dvs | np |
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| 19:21.47 | dwaynewayne | Xorg is grabbing my input device and is blocking it... in an tty session it works fine |
| 19:22.00 | dwaynewayne | driving me crazy :/ |
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| 19:25.20 | tux0 | antivirtel those are 32bit kernels |
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| 19:26.03 | antivirtel | tux0 I know, but it is for virtualbox testing the partition encrypton... - otherwise I have pae kernel on the host comp :) |
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| 19:26.29 | antivirtel | which is Ubuntu 10.04 LTS now |
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| 19:27.54 | lapsusbrutus | many of you who keep boot partitions unmounted on servers? just wondering if its common, or even a good idea.. |
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| 19:38.05 | bennis | so i installed debian and told apt not to update while installing and now when i try to apt-get install anything it tries to take it from the CD... can i change that so it checks the repos? |
| 19:38.33 | blip2 | ok |
| 19:38.42 | somiaj | bennis: modify /etc/apt/sources.list -- add the correct sources |
| 19:38.42 | nkuttler | bennis: man sources.list, apt-get update |
| 19:38.49 | blip2 | yeh that >_> |
| 19:39.04 | blip2 | comment out (usually) the top two lines should do |
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| 19:40.02 | babilen | !tell bennis about squeeze sources.list |
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| 19:41.05 | babilen | bennis: And you probably want to remove the CDs from that list. Also ask dpkg about <geo sources.list> <squeeze-updates> <contrib> <non-free> and <bdo> |
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| 19:46.00 | Makuew | Ok, 100$ for someone who can 10 x 600G partitions on a 6tb drive, primary,logical,lvm i dont care. Long as it works. Payment by paypal. |
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| 19:47.29 | chicognu | Ok, Can some one help me to configure my system ? i have that simple program: http://ideone.com/V6jEy that uses ncurses, it execute perfect on Linux Virtual Terminal Like in Control + Alt + F3 ... But dont work in xterm, RoxTerm, Terminal, or in any other terminal emulator. What should I do ? |
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| 19:49.52 | babilen | chicognu: Try ##c -- you might want to think about all those functions that are hopefully defined elsewhere. |
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| 19:50.35 | liuyuan | Hi guys, may I have help with my debian server please? |
| 19:50.54 | liuyuan | I'm currently unsure whether if this is a problem on my side or the networks |
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| 19:51.01 | chicognu | babilen, it is not a C related problem ... It compiles and execute just fine in "real terminal" like control alt F3 ... but don't work in terminal emulator |
| 19:51.05 | bennis | liuyuan: just post your question and someone will answer i |
| 19:51.06 | bennis | t |
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| 19:51.29 | liuyuan | When I try to ssh or http into my server, I get timed out |
| 19:51.49 | liuyuan | when I try to ping google, I can get a resovle, but it just freezes |
| 19:51.54 | liuyuan | I'm currently using a static ip |
| 19:52.05 | liuyuan | everything worked for roughly 2 months, until this afternoon |
| 19:52.07 | babilen | chicognu: Well, it doesn't compile and I don't see a definition or, say, initscr anywhere ... |
| 19:52.19 | liuyuan | I was doing some intensive gnpme+ssh testing |
| 19:52.32 | liuyuan | How do I trouble shoot? |
| 19:52.34 | babilen | steals liuyuan's enter key |
| 19:52.40 | liuyuan | :P |
| 19:53.39 | chicognu | babilen, it compile and execute just fine .. believe me :P |
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| 19:54.23 | liuyuan | Does anybody know why I don't get a response from google, or anywhere? |
| 19:55.06 | babilen | chicognu: It does not (confirmed locally) |
| 19:55.22 | liuyuan | What's strange is that when I try to ssh to it in putty, it just hangs there |
| 19:56.00 | chicognu | babilen, do you have ncurses installed ? do you pass the parameter -lncurses to the compiler ? |
| 19:56.06 | liuyuan | (And then it says network timed out) |
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| 19:56.39 | babilen | chicognu: No, I've just compiled your paste and see the same compilation errors as those pasted by you. |
| 19:57.16 | agrundner | I've got a problem. I just did a server upgrade and mysql is not starting. |
| 19:57.30 | agrundner | Tried to restart mysql $ sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start ----- error: Found option without preceding group in config file: /etc/my.cnf at line: 2 |
| 19:57.38 | babilen | chicognu: But it compiles if I do that, yes. |
| 19:57.50 | chicognu | babilen, :) |
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| 19:59.21 | liuyuan | agrundner: go to line 2 at /etc/my.cnf |
| 19:59.21 | liuyuan | and see what it is |
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| 19:59.29 | ujjain | What is good p2p software for Debian? |
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| 19:59.57 | agrundner | liuyuan: it's -- max_connections = 250 |
| 20:01.24 | tensorpudding | ujjain: do you mean bittorrent or something like emule or dc++ |
| 20:01.27 | agrundner | liuyuan: it actually looks like my.cnf got overwritten as part of the phpmyadmin update (I'm guessing). The problem started in the upgrade process with phpmyadmin need to update the database for whatever. |
| 20:01.36 | ujjain | tensorpudding: emule would be closest. |
| 20:01.45 | ujjain | tensorpudding: but emule is probably the best e-mule like program? |
| 20:01.48 | tensorpudding | ujjain: there is amule |
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| 20:02.03 | liuyuan | agrundner: are you sure that it's located at /etc/my.cnd |
| 20:02.06 | liuyuan | agrundner: are you sure that it's located at /etc/my.cnf * |
| 20:02.09 | ujjain | is the emule network as dirty as limewire's? |
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| 20:02.27 | liuyuan | instead of /etc/mysql/my.cnf? |
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| 20:02.38 | tensorpudding | ujjain: dirty? |
| 20:02.54 | agrundner | liuyuan: my.cnd <- no such file |
| 20:03.17 | ujjain | tensorpudding: limewire 95% of all results are fake files, often 100k |
| 20:03.34 | tensorpudding | ujjain: i have no idea |
| 20:03.50 | agrundner | liuyuan: sucks because phpmyadmin made a backup of the database in /var/cache/dbconfig-common/backups <- nothing there after restart |
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| 20:04.40 | liuyuan | cnf* |
| 20:04.42 | liuyuan | it was a type |
| 20:04.47 | agrundner | I backed up my site and database beforehand, but not sure what to do to get mysql running |
| 20:05.07 | tensorpudding | ujjain: you should consider using bittorrent instead, which prevents that kind of thing |
| 20:05.14 | liuyuan | typo* |
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| 20:06.03 | ujjain | tensorpudding: Although is not good for searching individual music files. I just want some mp3's, not entire gb's of packages. |
| 20:06.04 | agrundner | liuyuan: not sure what you're asking... my.cnf exist and has settings within it. |
| 20:06.09 | liuyuan | agrundner: can you still get to mysql? |
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| 20:06.40 | liuyuan | at the command line, try: mysql -p |
| 20:06.42 | tensorpudding | ujjain: well, your choice |
| 20:06.59 | liuyuan | mysql updates shouldn't break their database, usually |
| 20:07.00 | ujjain | tensorpudding: :) |
| 20:07.26 | agrundner | liuyuan: error message: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 20:08.41 | wols_ | agrundner: according to the error message you pasted above, your my.cnf is faulty at line 2 |
| 20:08.55 | liuyuan | bbiab |
| 20:09.23 | wols_ | agrundner: however, debian doesn't use /etc/my.cnf at all. so what distro are you running? |
| 20:09.52 | agrundner | wols_: debian -- updated to debian squeeze |
| 20:10.16 | wols_ | agrundner: dpkg -l mysql-server |
| 20:11.31 | agrundner | wols_: I figure that's to reconfig mysql. it won't erase my database, right? |
| 20:11.49 | wols_ | you figure wrong. it simply shows what you have installed |
| 20:12.46 | agrundner | wols_: doesn't look good -- will past message to pastebin |
| 20:13.46 | agrundner | wols_: http://pastebin.com/SxL4cSiL |
| 20:14.08 | wols_ | well, no mysql-server installed at all... |
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| 20:14.31 | wols_ | agrundner: mysql --version |
| 20:14.35 | agrundner | wols_: wow, this upgrade didn't go well |
| 20:14.57 | agrundner | wols_: mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.51a, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 5.2 |
| 20:15.49 | wols_ | agrundner: lenny |
| 20:15.53 | agrundner | wols_: sucks, this is my main site |
| 20:16.05 | agrundner | wols_: I see that -- odd |
| 20:16.06 | wols_ | how did you upgrade? |
| 20:16.19 | ompaul | upgrade not d-u at a guess |
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| 20:16.34 | wols_ | I suggest you apt-get install mysql-server for a start |
| 20:16.42 | agrundner | trying to remember.... |
| 20:17.12 | agrundner | I did it the other day. I had packages held back this morning so I did: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:17.32 | agrundner | Guys, tell me the best way to proceed |
| 20:17.43 | ompaul | agrundner: run this and tell us the output:::: lsb_relase -a | grep Desc |
| 20:17.47 | ompaul | soops |
| 20:18.05 | ompaul | agrundner: lsb_release -a | grep Desc |
| 20:18.09 | agrundner | lsb_relase: command not found |
| 20:18.17 | ompaul | minor typo there |
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| 20:18.56 | ompaul | agrundner: you see the change in spelling ... the extra e |
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| 20:19.57 | agrundner | ompaul: Description:Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1 (squeeze) |
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| 20:20.58 | agrundner | ompaul, wols_ : seems mysql didn't upgrade properly |
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| 20:21.05 | treebeen | how about reinstalling mysql? |
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| 20:21.32 | ompaul | agrundner: lets see if the box is up to date, aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade << just to make sure you are up to date before you try "fixing things" |
| 20:21.38 | agrundner | treebeen: can do if won't wipe out my database (if it's still there) |
| 20:21.57 | agrundner | ompaul: will do |
| 20:22.16 | ompaul | agrundner: installing ain't going to delete a DB if you set it up right - it will live on elsewhere |
| 20:22.24 | ompaul | you should consider searching the disk for it |
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| 20:22.33 | ompaul | so you can copy it off |
| 20:22.45 | ompaul | points out that backups are needed for a reason |
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| 20:23.32 | agrundner | ompaul: states - http://pastebin.com/4J0h7tfQ |
| 20:23.39 | treebeen | points out that backups don't even need a reason |
| 20:24.49 | agrundner | I have a backup of the database. I was just hoping I can keep the one I've got on the server. |
| 20:25.09 | agrundner | ompaul: where can I find it on the disk? |
| 20:25.13 | cusco | using apt upgrade does not delete database data |
| 20:25.27 | cusco | apt remvoe doesn't also unless you specify the purge flag |
| 20:25.54 | ompaul | agrundner: was that box an etch server before? |
| 20:26.15 | agrundner | ompaul: yes |
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| 20:26.29 | ompaul | and you tried to jump straight to squeeze? |
| 20:26.52 | agrundner | Did you guys read the pastebin? It actually wants me to remove grub http://pastebin.com/4J0h7tfQ |
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| 20:27.13 | ompaul | agrundner: is this a jump from etch to squeeze |
| 20:27.18 | cusco | agrundner: it will probably install grub2 |
| 20:27.34 | agrundner | ompaul: yes | cusco: that makes sense |
| 20:27.48 | ompaul | agrundner: good luck with that |
| 20:27.56 | cusco | I never tried that jump |
| 20:28.04 | jelly-home | agrundner: skipping releases isn't supported. You ought to first do etch->lenny, then lenny->squeeze |
| 20:28.06 | cusco | maybe you should go trough lenny first |
| 20:28.06 | agrundner | K, will still with the defaults [Y] |
| 20:28.17 | ompaul | agrundner: that is not a supported jump - the supported would have been as jelly-home said |
| 20:28.29 | jelly-home | jumps are _never_ supported |
| 20:28.43 | ompaul | agrundner: you can't just go skipping upgrade |
| 20:28.45 | ompaul | s |
| 20:29.08 | agrundner | everything updates OK -- nothing more to add |
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| 20:29.13 | cusco | it doesn't mean it won't work, but it means that it *probably* will complain about something... |
| 20:29.27 | cusco | and might originate new issues |
| 20:29.37 | ompaul | agrundner: I'd accept it and get ready to just in case do a fresh install and do a clean up |
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| 20:29.40 | wols_ | cusco: it usually means it won't work, one way or the other. which is why it's not supported |
| 20:29.54 | agrundner | It wasn't my intention to skip a version. I just did a upgrade -- Debian Stable (it's been a while) |
| 20:30.19 | ompaul | agrundner: well intentional or not etch -> squeeze != supported |
| 20:30.20 | cusco | wols_: he might figure how to sort it ... or not. Im not encouraging |
| 20:30.33 | agrundner | Sucks, this is my public dedicated server. |
| 20:30.47 | jelly-home | agrundner: oh, you stumbled on a bug in etch sources.list. Now replace every occurence of "stable" with "squeeze" in your /etc/apt/sources.list so it doesn't happen again in 3-4 years time |
| 20:30.51 | ompaul | agrundner: you accept the changes if they screw up you go and get ready to do the big install |
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| 20:31.38 | agrundner | jelly-home: will that help with some of the problems? ref: sources.list |
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| 20:32.04 | ompaul | agrundner:we don't do what you did |
| 20:32.12 | ompaul | agrundner: we don't support it |
| 20:32.15 | jelly-home | agrundner: no, it will keep the situation (accidental upgrade to current stable) from happening again |
| 20:32.21 | tp43 | how so you play files from laptop on desktop. file is local on latop |
| 20:32.30 | agrundner | ompaul: OK, so what to do now? Suggestions? |
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| 20:32.41 | agrundner | jelly-home: got it |
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| 20:33.23 | ompaul | agrundner: (A) do what jelly-home told you - squeeze should be written down all over that file (B) dist-upgrade (C) check your box to see if it works (D) if not fresh install (E) you did it yourself ;-) |
| 20:33.38 | tp43 | ex. to play a file local on desktop, you can telnet from laptop, and use Display=:0 |
| 20:33.57 | jelly-home | ompaul: whoa, I never told to dist-upgrade a thing |
| 20:34.07 | ompaul | jelly-home: I did |
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| 20:34.17 | ompaul | jelly-home: you are option A |
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| 20:34.39 | ompaul | which must be followed by B and C and D if needed etc |
| 20:34.42 | jelly-home | agrundner: pastebin your /var/log/dpkg.log, your sources.list, output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 20:35.21 | agrundner | jelly-home: OK (will be before the sources update req.) |
| 20:35.41 | ompaul | wanders off |
| 20:36.38 | jelly-home | suggesting a dist-upgrade (upgrading the whole system) and wandering off doesn't seem like the greatest advice |
| 20:37.17 | ompaul | jelly-home: na - the box is in a state of unknown - the box needs its upgrade completed |
| 20:37.20 | ompaul | this may or may not work |
| 20:37.25 | ompaul | if it works great |
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| 20:37.30 | ompaul | if not fresh install |
| 20:37.37 | ompaul | seems binary to me |
| 20:38.06 | agrundner | jelly-home: /var/log/dpkg.log - http://pastebin.com/CNcEmYMg |
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| 20:39.23 | agrundner | jelly-home: sources.list - http://pastebin.com/ZdMbB8nP |
| 20:39.27 | jelly-home | agrundner: are there any older, rotated dpkg.logs? |
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| 20:40.00 | agrundner | jelly-home: that's everything that came up -- used cat /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 20:40.12 | jelly-home | agrundner: ls -l /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 20:40.17 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.28 | wols_ | misfire |
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| 20:41.34 | agrundner | jelly-home: output via your command - http://pastebin.com/j8bpmJyW |
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| 20:42.27 | jelly-home | agrundner: paste also the contents of dpkg.log.1 and dpkg.log.2.gz |
| 20:42.53 | jelly-home | I just want to see what the system looked like before the current mess |
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| 20:43.07 | agrundner | jelly-home: apt-cache policy - http://pastebin.com/AwNzM8ew |
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| 20:45.49 | jelly-home | yeah, typical pre-lenny sources.list with "stable" in it |
| 20:45.50 | agrundner | jelly-home: dpkg.log.1 - http://pastebin.com/6i7ch5FY |
| 20:46.25 | ompaul | ,versions ibritish |
| 20:46.25 | judd | Package ibritish on i386 -- lenny: 3.1.20.0-4.4; squeeze: 3.1.20.0-7; sid: 3.3.02-4; wheezy: 3.3.02-4 |
| 20:46.49 | agrundner | jelly-home: not sure how to give you what you need from dpkg.log.2.gz |
| 20:47.03 | ompaul | zcat dpkg.log.2.gz |
| 20:47.11 | agrundner | ompaul: thanks! |
| 20:47.19 | jelly-home | agrundner: really? gzip -dc dpkg.log.2.gz outputs uncompressed gzip to stdout |
| 20:48.25 | agrundner | jelly-home: dpkg.log.2.gz - http://pastebin.com/GV4dcvL8 |
| 20:48.54 | agrundner | jelly-home: gzip to stdout <- beyond my knowledge of what that implies |
| 20:49.19 | ompaul | ,versions man-db |
| 20:49.19 | jelly-home | ok, so you did have a good chunk of lenny installed last year already and things apparently still worked |
| 20:49.21 | judd | Package man-db on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-5; squeeze: 2.5.7-8; sid: 2.6.0.2-1; wheezy: 2.6.0.2-1 |
| 20:49.43 | ompaul | etch version 2.5.2-4 |
| 20:49.49 | ompaul | was in there |
| 20:49.55 | jelly-home | agrundner: uname -a ? |
| 20:50.09 | ompaul | guesses squeeze |
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| 20:50.19 | agrundner | uname -a: Linux debSB1 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed May 18 23:13:22 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:50.54 | jelly-home | great. So you might as well do a dist-upgrade and fix breakages later |
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| 20:51.04 | dvs | what about udev? |
| 20:51.05 | agrundner | This is an episode of CSI Debian :) |
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| 20:51.12 | jelly-home | dvs: what about it? |
| 20:51.27 | jelly-home | dvs: it won't break, the new kernel is already in place |
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| 20:51.36 | gauge | Hey, I'm having a weird proplem. I ssh into my debian box, and I can run X apps, but I can't run a WM. I have a nmber of wierd errors. Like whenever I login, I get an xauth error. It says xauth key data not generated and it's using fake data. |
| 20:51.39 | dvs | jelly-home: Oh, I guess if he's running the new kernel, it's at the right version |
| 20:51.56 | bencc | can you recommend a package for a caching server for apt? |
| 20:51.59 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:52.22 | ompaul | dvs: else that or a break in the space time continum |
| 20:52.25 | agrundner | I'm going to update the sources.list -- all settings set to squeeze |
| 20:52.46 | dvs | agrundner: Yeah, change "stable" to "squeeze" |
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| 20:54.04 | jacksond | is there a command to switch keyboard models? |
| 20:54.34 | ujjain | What is a normal share on Linux? How should I share between 2 Linux servers? |
| 20:54.59 | wols_ | ujjain: share WHAT? |
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| 20:55.06 | jelly-home | agrundner: after that you can basically follow /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 20:55.16 | jrd0 | how can i disable ssh & sftp for a certain user |
| 20:55.33 | ompaul | ujjain: nfs if they are in the same room or scp or rsync depending on what you want to think about |
| 20:55.35 | somiaj | ujjain: nfs (network file share) is the linux/*nix way to share files, though you could use something like samba if you want windows boxes to also see the network. -- there are also other ways to mount remote file systems. |
| 20:55.43 | xand | jrd0: you can put a DenyGroups directive in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and put the user in that group |
| 20:55.57 | jrd0 | that will disallow sftp too xand ? |
| 20:55.58 | xand | jrd0: or in fact, just DenyUsers |
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| 20:56.04 | xand | yes, as that uses ssh |
| 20:56.10 | somiaj | ujjain: but there are many other ways to copy files, scp/ssh is on most linux boxes and a good way to copy files back and forth |
| 20:56.19 | xand | man sshd_config, see DenyUsers |
| 20:56.25 | jrd0 | xand: thanks i wasnt sure ive done it before to disable just ssh and alow sftp but i cant remember how |
| 20:56.37 | jacksond | is there a program/command to switch keyboard models? |
| 20:56.39 | agrundner | jelly-home: having trouble with the /msg command you gave: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 20:56.47 | xand | jrd0: you could change their shell I suppose |
| 20:56.55 | xand | not sure how that'd affect sftp |
| 20:56.58 | LoneTech | you may want to look at the rssh package if you want to allow sftp while disabling ssh for shell commands |
| 20:57.01 | somiaj | agrundner: tyope that into your irc client, /msg dpkg sends a message to the bot dpkg who returns a factoid |
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| 20:57.08 | jelly-home | agrundner: that's an IRC command, to be typed in your xchat |
| 20:57.17 | agrundner | jelly-home: IRC command, yup |
| 20:57.17 | jrd0 | i have to open my home server so i can tunnel at work, but the media centre user has a weak ass password so i didnt want to leave it like that |
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| 20:57.47 | jelly-home | agrundner: should open a separate tab with dpkg's response |
| 20:57.58 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell agrundner about lenny->squeeze |
| 20:58.31 | ujjain | ah ok, I thought network file share was done in Samba. |
| 20:58.33 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell agrundner about release notes |
| 20:58.36 | ujjain | I prefer native |
| 20:58.39 | agrundner | jelly-home: yes, i see it now thank you |
| 20:58.41 | jelly-home | ujjain: nfs? |
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| 20:59.38 | jacksond | could someone tell me how to switch keyboard models? |
| 20:59.52 | agrundner | Will give dpkg - recommendations a shot THANKS ALL! |
| 21:00.15 | gauge | I get an error when trying to launch Any WM, 'user not allowed to launch X'. I'm ssh'd into my debian box when this happens. |
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| 21:01.08 | jelly-home | gauge: how are you doing the "launch Any WM" part? |
| 21:01.31 | jrd0 | thanks xand i AllowUsers on my user and it blocks all else nicely :) |
| 21:01.35 | gauge | I've tried startx, xinit, and xmonad |
| 21:01.45 | jelly-home | gauge: also, why would you run a window manager on a remote machine? |
| 21:01.52 | simonlnu | and why would you want a wm to run via ssh? |
| 21:01.57 | simonlnu | doh |
| 21:02.25 | ompaul | gauge: ssh -X user(NOT ROOT)@box iceweasel |
| 21:02.31 | jelly-home | gauge: startx and xinit attempt to start a console X session on that machine. For obvious reasons that only works from console by default. |
| 21:02.33 | ompaul | that will work for a single app |
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| 21:03.05 | gauge | ompaul: I am using -X |
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| 21:03.28 | somiaj | gauge: the WM is ran on the local machine, not the remote one. |
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| 21:03.29 | fuller | somebody able to explain _why_ this consolekit thingi exists and infests the default install even thouh i dont use X at all? |
| 21:03.37 | ^DEMOSS | hello anybody |
| 21:03.43 | jelly-home | jacksond: hm, start by reading /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 21:04.00 | ^DEMOSS | are bug with NFS was be fixed ? |
| 21:04.01 | simonlnu | anybody left |
| 21:04.05 | gauge | somiaj: I'd like to have my good old xmonad setup w/ me on my laptop. |
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| 21:04.23 | jelly-home | fuller: default install? Is it present in the base system? |
| 21:04.30 | somiaj | gauge: so copy over your xmonad config file(s) and run xmonad on your laptop |
| 21:05.21 | gauge | somiaj: I think thats missing the point. IS there a technical reason why I can't open a new DISPLAY through an ssh connection? |
| 21:05.49 | jelly-home | gauge: where do you want it to open? |
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| 21:06.42 | gauge | My debian box is my headless server. I have a macbook (10.6), So I'm always ssh'd in and usually in tmux. but I'd like to forward Xmonad to my macbooks X11. |
| 21:06.45 | fuller | jelly-home sry, i see its pulled in over a long depends tree |
| 21:06.51 | ^DEMOSS | are bug with NFS was be fixed ? |
| 21:06.52 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell gauge about sshx |
| 21:07.43 | gauge | jelly-home: both macbook and server have xauth. but I do get some xauth errors when I use -X. |
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| 21:07.48 | ompaul | gauge: are you running debian on the macbook? |
| 21:07.52 | gauge | no. |
| 21:08.02 | jelly-home | gauge: inspect and fix those errors |
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| 21:08.24 | jelly-home | gauge: also inspect the rest of the settings (sshd_config on the server) |
| 21:08.28 | Black_Prince | Is there a metapackage for "Basic System" in Debian Installer (I did not select it there, I want to install it now) |
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| 21:08.46 | ompaul | gauge: so have you installed xmonad on your macbook? |
| 21:08.53 | gauge | I've tried. the error is that the X11 forwardsign is untrusted, even though in sshd_config X11trusted is on. |
| 21:09.27 | gauge | ompaul: even if I did, How could I intergrate that w/ being loged into my debain box(my headless server)? |
| 21:09.34 | ^DEMOSS | are bug with NFS was be fixed ? |
| 21:09.49 | jelly-home | Black_Prince: perhaps /msg dpkg tasksel |
| 21:09.58 | gauge | jelly-home: 'xauthdata not generated' useing fake data'. |
| 21:09.58 | ^DEMOSS | anybody ? say me please |
| 21:09.59 | dvs | Black_Prince: No, the Basic System is not selecting anything with tasksel |
| 21:10.01 | Black_Prince | I was asking about metapackage, not tasksel method |
| 21:10.05 | ompaul | gauge: you really like climbing cliffs instead of walking in the sand |
| 21:10.06 | ^DEMOSS | i wanna know that |
| 21:10.16 | unicstar | ^DEMOSS: your question is not clear |
| 21:10.22 | gauge | ompaul: your not the first to tell me this. |
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| 21:10.46 | ompaul | gauge: and I won't be the last - you install xmonad onto the macbook you copy files later when you work out what they are |
| 21:11.01 | ompaul | gauge: all other paths are the long way to wasting your time |
| 21:11.09 | gauge | but I'd liek to know, if I did have xmonad installed and setup on my macbook, could I connect to my debian box w/ my local xmonad configuration? that seems a bit bizzar. |
| 21:11.17 | jelly-home | gauge: I have no idea what X11trusted is at all. Which debian release are you using on the server? Is "X11Forwarding yes" present in sshd_config? |
| 21:11.57 | ^DEMOSS | unicstar when my debian squeeze is starting - he is stopping at step " Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! " then after 2-3 minutes he say me failed and start |
| 21:12.07 | gauge | jelly-home: the latest stable. and yeah, it is set, and I CAN run X11 apps! but not anything that needs a new DISPLAY. |
| 21:12.17 | somiaj | gauge: google search gave me, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Remote-X-Apps.html -- check section 8 |
| 21:12.21 | jelly-home | gauge: you don't NEED a new DISPLAY |
| 21:12.24 | ^DEMOSS | are this bug was be fixed ? |
| 21:12.54 | jelly-home | gauge: don't change it manually. Just start your apps. |
| 21:13.00 | gauge | jelly-home: From the few clues I read, I thought It might be having a problem if there was already an open X11 wm running. |
| 21:13.12 | jelly-home | gauge: so don't have a wm running. |
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| 21:13.16 | ketsa | Hi all, I finally found why my netbook hibernation was not working : i went from gdm3 to gdm and it fixed the problem. |
| 21:13.17 | agrundner | Ok, I'm back. The update/upgrade seemed to well. However, MySQL is still a problem --- ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 21:13.25 | ^DEMOSS | and next question - if i press "ctrl+alt+F1" - it's open me a console 1 - how i can resume to X ? |
| 21:13.27 | jelly-home | gauge: you can only have one wm. |
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| 21:13.38 | jelly-home | running at the same time |
| 21:13.54 | gauge | jelly-home: THis makes sense. But why is that? |
| 21:13.55 | agrundner | Going to search the web unless any anyone knows something... |
| 21:14.28 | Black_Prince | It seems that lsb-core somehow matches packages installed with tasksel 'Basic System' method |
| 21:14.32 | ketsa | ^DEMOSS: Alt-f8 usually |
| 21:14.35 | jelly-home | gauge: do you want to wms to fight for placing your windows, sizing them, etc? |
| 21:14.39 | jelly-home | two* wms? |
| 21:14.49 | ^DEMOSS | ketsa thanks - i try it now |
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| 21:15.13 | baldric | agrundner: try #mysql |
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| 21:15.35 | jelly-home | agrundner: read the logs (grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log, for a start), figure out why it fails to start and fix it. The configuration may need some changes. |
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| 21:15.52 | agrundner | baldric: same error message |
| 21:16.09 | gauge | jelly-home: I couldn't say. but The idea of having one monitor w/ Compiz and one w/ xmonad or Awesome running does sound kinda cool. I always figuered w/ the client/server nature of X11 that it'd be possible. |
| 21:16.11 | agrundner | jelly-home: will do |
| 21:16.12 | ompaul | gauge: this is what you want methinks - then you can see what files you might like to check on debian scp file user@mac:Testfile and then check and compare that the versions are similar before you do it http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_on_Apple_OSX |
| 21:16.13 | jelly-home | agrundner: also inspect for any old, leftover but still running mysqld processes and kill them |
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| 21:16.44 | baldric | agrundner: #mysql is an irc channel |
| 21:16.44 | dvs | agrundner: baldric meant try the mysql channel |
| 21:16.45 | gauge | ompaul: thanks for the links. |
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| 21:16.50 | ompaul | agrundner: have you rebooted ? |
| 21:16.59 | ompaul | agrundner: since this last upgrade? |
| 21:17.05 | jelly-home | ompaul: why would he (need to) reboot? |
| 21:17.07 | agrundner | dvs, baldric: :D ok, thanks |
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| 21:17.15 | ompaul | jelly-home: a d-u |
| 21:17.21 | jelly-home | ompaul: so what? |
| 21:17.27 | agrundner | ompaul: yes, i rebooted |
| 21:18.11 | ompaul | jelly-home: cos we don't know what was and wasn't running and maybe it would restart mysql sanely |
| 21:19.12 | jhutchins_lt | Is this perhaps a case where the password for mysql does not match the pasword in the start/stop script? |
| 21:19.19 | jelly-home | I'd stay away from rebooting if I messed with a boot loader and didn't have console access. YMMV. |
| 21:19.26 | jhutchins_lt | That caught me when I switched to Debian. |
| 21:19.43 | agrundner | Will join #mysql -- in case anyone is interested in the output for "grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log" - http://pastebin.com/8uAkG15q |
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| 21:19.57 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I don't reboot my remote server unless I know a live body is in the server room. |
| 21:20.18 | jhutchins_lt | agrundner: Is it possible that you changed users/passwords from the stock mysql? |
| 21:21.12 | agrundner | jhutchins: I think I did during the upgrade process. Actually... yeah, I did. |
| 21:21.21 | jelly-home | agrundner: did you check the processes, and verify existence and sanity of permissions for the /var/run/mysqld directory? |
| 21:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | agrundner: Ok, that's the problem then. |
| 21:21.57 | agrundner | jelly-home: I haven't | jhutchins_lt: what to do then? |
| 21:22.07 | jhutchins_lt | agrundner: iirc the start/stop script uses a special account, and if you overwrite the mysql database you need to get it back. Let me see if I can find it. |
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| 21:22.38 | jelly-home | agrundner: that's what I'd do if I saw those things in the logs. |
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| 21:22.51 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt might be refering to |
| 21:22.59 | jelly-home | !i forgot mysql root password |
| 21:23.00 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start See also http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html , <mysql initial password>. |
| 21:23.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | mok peeps which ntp should i be using to set my time on my server, casue it so does not work with ntpd |
| 21:23.46 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: physical or virtual hardware? |
| 21:23.48 | agrundner | jelly-home: so you're suggesting to reset back to the original password to fix things? |
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| 21:23.53 | jhutchins_lt | You need to have a debian-sys-maint account |
| 21:24.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | hang on I think i was wrong... |
| 21:24.34 | jhutchins_lt | agrundner: The root password can be changed, but if you overwrite the mysql database you might loose debian-sys-maint and it's password. |
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| 21:25.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | Password for erin@THRACE.lan: |
| 21:25.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | kinit: Clock skew too great while getting initial credentials |
| 21:25.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | the times are right on all the nodes even the AD, so any ideas why ? |
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| 21:25.59 | agrundner | jhutchins_lt: I want to do the right thing. I'm not sure I 100% understand. If I change the root password back to the original, something unintended might happen with debian-sys-maint |
| 21:26.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | to answer your question both, |
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| 21:26.23 | ttiicc | guys I have problem with seting up subversion in debain |
| 21:26.33 | ttiicc | dont know what the problem is |
| 21:26.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | ads is on virtual guest, and the squeeze samba server is hardware host for it, and I got a desktop which is hardware. |
| 21:26.57 | jelly-home | agrundner: nope. debian-sys-maint is a separate mysql account, that debian's init script use (don't really know what for) |
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| 21:27.02 | jhutchins_lt | agrundner: The password is in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf as per the README.Debian.gz file. |
| 21:27.12 | ^DEMOSS | Alt+f8 not working |
| 21:27.29 | jhutchins_lt | agrundner: No, debian-sys-maint is a seperate mysql user. |
| 21:27.30 | ^DEMOSS | and how about my problem on NFS +Portmap daemons ? |
| 21:27.45 | jelly-home | agrundner: but if that really is the issue, you can change it the same way you can change a forgotten mysql root@localhost password. |
| 21:28.07 | ^DEMOSS | when my debian squeeze is starting - he is stopping at step " Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! " then after 2-3 minutes he say me failed and start |
| 21:28.16 | ^DEMOSS | ketsa not working |
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| 21:29.17 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: does /etc/adjtime exist? Is ajdtimex package installed? |
| 21:29.18 | agrundner | jelly-home: I think I follow | jhutchins_lt: I'll keep that in mind. Off to reset password back to the original... |
| 21:29.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i got it |
| 21:29.36 | jhutchins_lt | agrundner: Again, root password doesn't matter. |
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| 21:30.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.22 | Qation | Can anyone help me with installing ATI Proprietary drivers? I've followed the instructions on the wiki but I can't install it because aptitude returns http://pastie.org/1986435 Is there anything I can do about it? |
| 21:30.24 | agrundner | jhutchins_lt: so change debian-sys-maint's password to... ? |
| 21:30.44 | unicstar | ^DEMOSS: they say it has been fixed : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562729 |
| 21:30.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | anyways i figured it out, I had it in the wrong time zone.. |
| 21:30.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | the windwos server |
| 21:30.59 | agrundner | jhutchins_lt. jelly-home: sorry, guys. thanks for sticking with me. |
| 21:31.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty for the help though |
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| 21:31.26 | jelly-home | agrundner: some random thing, and put the same thing in the debian.cnf file I guess |
| 21:32.07 | unicstar | ttiicc: what is your exact problem ? |
| 21:32.16 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: remove the file, stop ntpd (if it's running), wipe /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift, step the date manually with ntpdate 1.pool.ntp.org, start ntp |
| 21:32.21 | agrundner | jelly-home: right, I see that password. Change it to what... ? |
| 21:32.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 21:32.59 | jelly-home | agrundner: just make it the same in mysql for that user and in that file |
| 21:33.21 | agrundner | jelly-home, jhutchins_lt: I think you guys are trying to tell me to reset the password using the poper command. |
| 21:33.28 | agrundner | proper |
| 21:33.28 | ^DEMOSS | unicstar i must install it manual - or i can use apt-get (aptitude) ? |
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| 21:33.45 | ^DEMOSS | unicstar thank you for information |
| 21:34.03 | unicstar | your welcome |
| 21:34.25 | agrundner | jelly-home, jhutchins_lt: matching passwords: root and debian-sys-maint |
| 21:34.31 | unicstar | I think you can use apt-get |
| 21:34.35 | jelly-home | agrundner: no! |
| 21:34.56 | agrundner | jelly-home: OK :) I'm confused. |
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| 21:35.47 | agrundner | You said: <jelly-home> agrundner: just make it the same in mysql for that user and in that file ----- Which user? |
| 21:35.47 | jelly-home | agrundner: there's a separate debian-sys-maint user. Its password in the database needs to match debian.cnf |
| 21:36.24 | jelly-home | that's a separate issue from the mysql root user, which might or might not need fixing as well |
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| 21:36.36 | agrundner | jelly-home: so set debian-sys-maint's password to what I see in debian.cnf? |
| 21:36.41 | jelly-home | agrundner: yes |
| 21:36.49 | agrundner | jelly-home: Yay! |
| 21:37.45 | jelly-home | then tear down the manually started mysql --skip-grant-tables and try starting it the normal way |
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| 21:38.42 | jelly-home | erm. mysqld --skip... |
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| 21:39.48 | webad_13 | does anyone use w3m here? |
| 21:39.54 | dvs | !ask |
| 21:39.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:40.12 | simonlnu | no, no one uses it, even people that use it. |
| 21:40.24 | jelly-home | everyone uses elinks! |
| 21:40.32 | dvs | lynx! |
| 21:40.44 | jelly-home | no. |
| 21:40.50 | webad_13 | hahah, I argue that w3m is better :) |
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| 21:41.02 | webad_13 | looking for the option to disable colors |
| 21:41.08 | webad_13 | and I did try in settings |
| 21:41.09 | jelly-home | !start a text browser war |
| 21:41.14 | LoneTech | they each have their good points, and I tend to use links2. |
| 21:41.19 | ompaul | someone once argued that w3m was better, they got shot in the last great war |
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| 21:41.34 | dwep | well, just to be *that* guy |
| 21:41.36 | dwep | vim > emacs |
| 21:41.42 | webad_13 | apt-get install elinks .... gnome-core to be removed... :) |
| 21:41.42 | dvs | ompaul: whippersnapper! |
| 21:41.45 | ompaul | was was an emacs grenade |
| 21:41.51 | LoneTech | dwep: ever tried vigor? |
| 21:42.04 | ompaul | they covered him in latex and carried him away |
| 21:42.08 | dwep | LoneTech: why, there's vim? |
| 21:42.32 | jelly-home | !penixstrike |
| 21:42.32 | dpkg | Dozens of Penices shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 21:42.33 | LoneTech | read the description. |
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| 21:43.50 | dwep | lol |
| 21:44.02 | simonlnu | i see that's still there |
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| 21:52.48 | agrundner | jelly-home, jhutchins_lt: what if I can't set the password for debian-sys-maint via mysql in the terminal? I can't even use: mysql -p -u root |
| 21:53.30 | agrundner | jelly-home, jhutchins_lt: I keep getting the error when I try to login as root ----- ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 21:54.09 | ompaul | agrundner: ps auwx | grep mysql |
| 21:54.16 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell agrundner about ifmrp |
| 21:54.23 | ^DEMOSS | unicstar i read it, but i can understand, what i must do, to fix it is bug on my system 8( |
| 21:54.42 | agrundner | ompaul: root 2985 0.0 0.0 7544 844 pts/0 S+ 14:54 0:00 grep mysql |
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| 21:54.49 | jelly-home | agrundner: can mysqld be started that way? |
| 21:56.28 | agrundner | jelly-home: /etc/init.d/mysql stop -- output: error: Found option without preceding group in config file: /etc/my.cnf at line: 2 Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted |
| 21:56.39 | agrundner | jelly-home: /etc/init.d/mysql START -- output: error: Found option without preceding group in config file: /etc/my.cnf at line: 2 Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted |
| 21:56.54 | jelly-home | agrundner: sounds like you need to fix that file first, then |
| 21:57.15 | agrundner | jelly-home: man... that file has four lines -- will post to pastebin |
| 21:57.35 | jelly-home | I don't know much about mysql. |
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| 21:57.58 | jelly-home | fix what the error message says. |
| 21:58.21 | ^DEMOSS | help me please anybody 8( |
| 21:58.33 | ^DEMOSS | when my debian squeeze is starting - he is stopping at step " Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! " then after 2-3 minutes he say me failed and start |
| 21:58.46 | agrundner | jelly-home: /etc/my.cnf -- http://pastebin.com/t9rZ8kPA |
| 21:58.48 | jelly-home | agrundner: wait a minute... /etc/my.cnf shouldn't even be there; /etc/mysql/my.cnf is the proper place |
| 21:58.50 | dfgd | hi all, i have gnome 2.30.2 and i noticed that when moving icons on my desktop they lose their image until i drop them, instead they have some default file look, is this a bug or is it normal? i know it's not debian specific but maybe someone has gnome installed and can confirm or not this behaviour |
| 21:58.59 | jelly-home | agrundner: just move the file away |
| 21:59.19 | nkuttler | ^DEMOSS: well do you use nfs? |
| 21:59.27 | ^DEMOSS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:59.43 | agrundner | jelly-home: you mean... rename it and try to start mysql again to see if picks up the right my.cnf |
| 21:59.49 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 22:00.18 | ^DEMOSS | nkuttler i use KVM and some pkg working with network\virtual network and other |
| 22:00.27 | jelly-home | ^DEMOSS: make sure the fixed version or a newer one is installed? |
| 22:00.36 | ^DEMOSS | english is not my home language - sorry ) |
| 22:00.52 | jelly-home | which one is? |
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| 22:01.09 | jelly-home | ^DEMOSS: what is your native language |
| 22:01.15 | ^DEMOSS | jelly-home i du #apt-get update #apt-get upgrade - and do this for aptitude |
| 22:01.17 | agrundner | jelly-home: OMG it's starting! |
| 22:01.51 | agrundner | jelly-home: damn, let down: "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!" |
| 22:02.12 | jelly-home | agrundner: yeah, inspect the logs again. |
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| 22:03.44 | ^DEMOSS | jelly-home nfs-common 1:1.2.2.4 |
| 22:04.09 | ^DEMOSS | nfs-common 1:1.2.2-4 |
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| 22:04.25 | jelly-home | ^DEMOSS: and that's newer than 1:1.2.1-1.1 where that bug report says the issue's been fixed |
| 22:04.36 | ^DEMOSS | hmm |
| 22:04.49 | ^DEMOSS | my system not starting normaly |
| 22:05.25 | ^DEMOSS | so i can say, that it bug not fixed - or it is some new \ other bug |
| 22:05.50 | ^DEMOSS | agrundner try maria-db ? ) |
| 22:05.58 | nkuttler | ^DEMOSS: start by reading your error logs |
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| 22:06.27 | agrundner | jelly-home: talking about: sudo grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log |
| 22:06.39 | jelly-home | agrundner: without sudo, yes |
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| 22:07.20 | jhutchins_lt | agrundner: What you have to do is start the mysql daemon directly as root instead of using the init script. Then you can log in and change the password. |
| 22:07.25 | lapsusbrutus | I can easily switch between us and no keyboard using setxkbmap.. how to set dvorak no or dvorak en? |
| 22:07.35 | jhutchins_lt | agrundner: You can also start it the way the lost password factoid said. |
| 22:08.09 | jhutchins_lt | (Sorry, I'm in and out here.) |
| 22:08.23 | agrundner | jhutchins_lt: thanks for your help |
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| 22:09.01 | agrundner | jhutchins_lt: "What you have to do is start the mysql daemon directly as root instead of using the init script." How to do that? |
| 22:09.07 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: _if_ the password is the issue; we just figured out it wasn't the _only_ issue |
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| 22:09.18 | jelly-home | agrundner: dpkg told you how. |
| 22:10.20 | jelly-home | agrundner: in the ifmrp (i forgot mysql root password) factoid |
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| 22:11.49 | jelly-home | agrundner: however. You fixed one thing (moved away the old /etc/my.cnf), you should recollect all the debug/log information agian to see if anything's changed. |
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| 22:12.25 | agrundner | jelly-home: I can do etc/init.d/mysql stop but I can't do "mysqld --skip-grant-tables" or "mysql -u root" |
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| 22:12.39 | goose2 | What's the most up-to-date kernel? |
| 22:12.45 | jelly-home | agrundner: how does mysqld --skip-grant-tables fail? |
| 22:13.16 | agrundner | jelly-home: like this: -sh: mysqld: command not found |
| 22:13.17 | jelly-home | agrundner: mysqld is the service binary. At this point you're starting it manually. |
| 22:13.19 | s3a | Can someone please help me make my sound work? I'm trying to make my surround sound work as 6 channels (5.1) instead of 2.0 but when I do what I do, the sound stops completely and I can't hear anything at all. I can't even make it work on 2.0 again but I still want to make it work as 5.1. A long time ago, I had it working in another installation but things changed in the software since then. |
| 22:13.39 | jelly-home | agrundner: Be root, and make sure /usr/sbin and /sbin is in your PATH |
| 22:13.47 | nkuttler | goose2: why do you ask? |
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| 22:14.25 | agrundner | jelly-home: ok, that may be the problem. I'm doing: #mysqld --skip-grant-tables |
| 22:14.40 | goose2 | nkuttler: because I want to install it, and i know a new one came out like, last week |
| 22:14.49 | jelly-home | goose2: to see the versions of kernel packages for respective debian releases, /msg judd kernels |
| 22:14.56 | goose2 | thanks jelly-home |
| 22:15.09 | jelly-home | goose2: why do you want the latest kernel, what's missing in the current one? |
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| 22:15.19 | agrundner | jelly-home: my mistake -- stay tuned |
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| 22:15.31 | goose2 | already up to date |
| 22:15.33 | goose2 | thanks again jelly-home |
| 22:15.40 | jelly-home | goose2: Debian typically doesn't provide the latest upstream kernel versions in current releases. |
| 22:15.58 | ^DEMOSS | jelly-home i read it |
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| 22:16.27 | goose2 | jelly-home: is 2.6.32-5-amd64 not my most available kernel, then? Judd said squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686, so I assumed I was up to date |
| 22:16.45 | ^DEMOSS | can't find information about nfs and portmap daemon |
| 22:16.46 | jelly-home | goose2: check the package version. |
| 22:17.11 | goose2 | how? |
| 22:17.22 | jelly-home | goose2: the usual way? |
| 22:17.35 | ^DEMOSS | goose2 #aptitude show "pgk_name" |
| 22:17.36 | somiaj | goose2: the -amd64 or the -686 kernel the one avialable to you depends on the arch you installed. |
| 22:17.42 | ^DEMOSS | goose2 #aptitude show pgk_name |
| 22:17.47 | jelly-home | goose2: dpkg -l packagename is a way |
| 22:18.10 | jelly-home | goose2: so, dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 22:18.50 | agrundner | this is the output from # mysqld --skip-grant-tables -- http://pastebin.com/Ve4NZhgp | still can't mysql -u root without getting: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 22:19.12 | agrundner | whoops: see above jelly-home |
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| 22:19.16 | jelly-home | agrundner: well, if the service isn't running, naturally you won't be able to start the client |
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| 22:19.26 | goose2 | thanks fellas |
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| 22:20.14 | jelly-home | agrundner: read what mysqld told you. Fix your /etc/mysql/my.cnf. Try starting it again. Rinse, repeat. |
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| 22:21.12 | agrundner | jelly-home: it's not complaining about that file anymore |
| 22:21.34 | ^DEMOSS | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562757 jelly-home in err log i find something whoose see that |
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| 22:22.01 | jelly-home | agrundner: no, but it's complaining about "unknown option something", and guess where it's reading the server options from! |
| 22:22.18 | s3a | Can someone please help me make my sound work? I'm trying to make my surround sound work as 6 channels (5.1) instead of 2.0 but when I do what I do, the sound stops completely and I can't hear anything at all. I can't even make it work on 2.0 again but I still want to make it work as 5.1. A long time ago, I had it working in another installation but things changed in the software since then. |
| 22:23.22 | agrundner | jelly-home: didn't someone earlier suggest dpkg-reconfigure mysql (something or other?) |
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| 22:23.49 | simonlnu | mysql-server |
| 22:23.58 | simonlnu | (no, wasn't me) |
| 22:24.18 | agrundner | simonlnu: thanks. maybe that will help resolve this issues? |
| 22:25.15 | jelly-home | ^DEMOSS: well. Do you know how nfsd works on Linux? It has a numer of helper services, statd one of them. All of them need portmap to be running. Also, portmap needs interface "lo" to be configured and up (by default). Those are most common causes of nfsd failing I've seen. So check that lo is configured properly, and check portmap is running and restart it if needed. |
| 22:25.24 | simonlnu | doesn't know what the issue is.. |
| 22:25.32 | jelly-home | agrundner: it won't |
| 22:25.44 | jelly-home | agrundner: fix your configuration file! |
| 22:26.09 | ompaul | agrundner: you don't want to do that |
| 22:26.22 | simonlnu | might need rpcbind if you use ipv6 as portmap hasn't been fixed (yet) to support ipv6 |
| 22:26.37 | jelly-home | man, fuck 'v6 |
| 22:26.42 | ompaul | the dpkg-reconfigure unless you want to go away now and work on your own there is a #mysql now your box is working they might like you |
| 22:26.46 | jelly-home | and the horse it rode in on |
| 22:26.49 | Schroeder | agrundner: You should really be using Slackware. Then you'd have sane, secure, WORKING defaults out of the box. |
| 22:26.56 | agrundner | jelly-home: alright... one last thing to show you when I try to start mysql -- from the daemon logs http://pastebin.com/MCsaUyQV |
| 22:26.57 | jelly-home | Schroeder: stop doing that. |
| 22:27.02 | Schroeder | it's good advice |
| 22:27.05 | Schroeder | and it'd fix his problem |
| 22:27.10 | simonlnu | hehe. won't have a choice pretty soon. i agree, it's a PITA. |
| 22:27.11 | jelly-home | !ops Schroeder trolling again |
| 22:27.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: Schroeder trolling again |
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| 22:27.28 | ompaul | Schroeder: happy away time |
| 22:27.31 | Schroeder | why do you people keep saying I'm trolling when I'm giving much better advice than anyone else is? |
| 22:27.34 | Schroeder | the fact is |
| 22:27.36 | Schroeder | mysql in Slackware works out of the box |
| 22:27.37 | Schroeder | thus |
| 22:27.38 | simonlnu | someone ban him already |
| 22:27.39 | Schroeder | if he used Slackware |
| 22:27.42 | Schroeder | his problem would be fixed |
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| 22:27.47 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 22:27.49 | ompaul | Schroeder: this is #debian not slackware |
| 22:27.52 | simonlnu | thank you |
| 22:27.53 | themill | Schroeder: you're not helping; try to be more signal and less noise. |
| 22:27.56 | ompaul | so kindly go and help there thanks |
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| 22:28.37 | simonlnu | s/n was 0 s/1000 n ... |
| 22:28.43 | jelly-home | strawman arguments and distro bashing isn't a proper technical approach |
| 22:28.56 | simonlnu | now he's /msging me |
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| 22:29.35 | ompaul | simonlnu: he started with me |
| 22:30.20 | agrundner | Schroeder: it's my fault... I skipped a release update and jump to the current version |
| 22:30.50 | antivirtel | hi! Is there any method to encrypt a full HDD, and when I want to use it, I have to enter the unlock passwd? |
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| 22:32.14 | ompaul | agrundner: ehh he pms and trolls put on /ignore and have a better irc time ;-) |
| 22:32.52 | s3a | Can someone please help me make my sound work? I'm trying to make my surround sound work as 6 channels (5.1) instead of 2.0 but when I do what I do, the sound stops completely and I can't hear anything at all. I can't even make it work on 2.0 again but I still want to make it work as 5.1. A long time ago, I had it working in another installation but things changed in the software since then. |
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| 22:33.50 | babilen | !tell antivirtel -about dmcrypt |
| 22:33.53 | babilen | !tell antivirtel -about luks |
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| 22:34.27 | ompaul | agrundner: his advise would not get you closer - now you were to go looking at config files for jelly-home did you manage to? |
| 22:35.03 | jelly-home | agrundner: so it's failing to start. Verify there are no mysqld processes to be safe, start mysqld manually again and see what it complains about. If it's "unkown option" again, then by all means comment out that option in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 22:35.31 | babilen | antivirtel: /me recommends cryptsetup -c aes-xts-plain -s 512 |
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| 22:36.06 | agrundner | jelly-home, ompaul: I'm currently looking at /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 22:36.25 | antivirtel | ok, thanks your suggestion |
| 22:36.31 | antivirtel | ok, thanks your suggestion babilen |
| 22:36.45 | jelly-home | agrundner: this is the kind of stuff you can expect if you skip releases and not read the release notes -- you need some knowledge of services you're running and be able to update their configuration. |
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| 22:36.55 | agrundner | jelly-home, ompaul: it might be a port issue - might not play well with my iptables settings |
| 22:37.10 | agrundner | jelly-home: +1 |
| 22:37.16 | babilen | antivirtel: Sure, you need to load the sha512_generic module (add it to /etc/modules) for that to work. But luks is just nice |
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| 22:38.03 | jelly-home | agrundner: iptables are not relevant for a client connecting to the service' local socket (/var/... mysql.sock thing) |
| 22:38.27 | npoektop | i did "mount --bind /dev /mnt/chrooted-debian/dev" (and also proc and sys) for chrooted system that locates on another disk. Now how to umount it? |
| 22:38.42 | agrundner | jelly-home: damn, I'm at a loss. This is beyond my capabilities it seems. |
| 22:38.44 | daemonkeeper | umount? |
| 22:38.53 | jelly-home | npoektop: umount /mnt/chrooted-debian/dev (and others) |
| 22:38.54 | npoektop | i want to umount that disk |
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| 22:39.02 | daemonkeeper | Yes, just use umount |
| 22:39.13 | npoektop | jelly-home: it doesn't work |
| 22:39.28 | jelly-home | npoektop: how does it fail to work? |
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| 22:39.41 | daemonkeeper | Do you try to umount from within the chroot? |
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| 22:40.28 | antivirtel | otherwise, how can I run a script, when a specified user logs in to a tty? (only terminal, no graphical interface)... like what runs to check my mail... |
| 22:40.30 | npoektop | jelly-home: it says device or resource busy |
| 22:40.38 | jelly-home | npoektop: which command does? |
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| 22:40.54 | npoektop | daemonkeeper: no, not within chroot |
| 22:41.01 | agrundner | jelly-home, ompaul: now I'll have this on the back of my mind while I celebrate my birthday this evening. |
| 22:41.24 | npoektop | jelly-home: umount [path] |
| 22:41.40 | jelly-home | npoektop: which path are you trying to umount first? |
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| 22:42.06 | ompaul | agrundner: go read a lot about mysql and options on the google machine or something similar |
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| 22:42.20 | nvictor | do i have to logout each time i change .profile? |
| 22:42.31 | jelly-home | npoektop: you need to provide complete, correct commands and their complete output if you want quicker help |
| 22:42.55 | nvictor | can't i reload it? |
| 22:43.10 | somiaj | nvictor: source .profile |
| 22:43.23 | Chris___ | Just did a fresh netinstall of amd64, my CPU feels like it's getting really hot, any ideas why? |
| 22:43.25 | somiaj | nvictor: its just a shell script that gets read when the shell starts, so just reread it. |
| 22:43.28 | jelly-home | agrundner: the generic rule when something is failing is to read the logs, try to understand the fatal errors and fix those, and retry |
| 22:43.35 | nvictor | somiaj: oh ok |
| 22:43.36 | somiaj | nvictor: or run the commands you change manually (as opposed to running the whole thing) |
| 22:43.41 | ompaul | nvictor: as somiaj said - however it won't work for already open shells which all need to have .profile sources in |
| 22:43.51 | nvictor | somiaj: k |
| 22:44.09 | nvictor | somiaj: also any variable name already taken in a c g and p? |
| 22:44.10 | ompaul | .profiles sourced |
| 22:44.28 | nvictor | somiaj: i added those and then i am getting an error about dbus couldn't be started |
| 22:44.40 | jelly-home | agrundner: I don't know much about mysql in particular, apart from remembering the "ifmrp" factoid name; I'm just applying that rule and taking things in stride |
| 22:46.34 | jelly-home | agrundner: so at this point, you have an "[ERROR] mysqld: unknown option '--skip-bdb'" and "[ERROR] Aborting", figure out where those come from, and work around it the simplest way possible (comment it out) |
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| 22:47.33 | Lasers | I spoke with somebody here once. Where can I find out wifi about gnome-session? |
| 22:47.42 | jelly-home | agrundner: find "skip-bdb" in your config file and get rid of that line |
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| 22:53.08 | agrundner | jelly-home: I'll give it a shot |
| 22:54.25 | agrundner | jelly-home: same result. will keep looking. |
| 22:54.54 | jelly-home | agrundner: same result with mysqld --skip-grant-tables as well? |
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| 22:56.27 | agrundner | jelly-home: nothing changed there either. I'm calling a day for now |
| 22:56.28 | rayk_sland | upgraded to squeeze and it forced my ldap server to not accept anonymous bind. need it. how do I get it back? |
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| 22:56.41 | agrundner | jelly-home: a BIG THANKS to you, my friend! |
| 22:57.22 | jelly-home | cheers |
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| 22:59.13 | Lasers | !libreoffice |
| 22:59.14 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is currently packaged in <testing>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. |
| 22:59.52 | Lasers | So if I upgraded to testing, will I see it in the repo and can install that way? |
| 22:59.58 | Lasers | !info chromium-browser |
| 23:00.24 | jelly-home | Lasers: also read /msg dpkg debian ooo |
| 23:00.28 | dpkg | chromium-browser: (Chromium browser - transitional dummy package), section web, is optional. Version: 11.0.696.71~r86024-1 (sid), Packaged size: 167 kB, Installed size: 1668 kB |
| 23:00.37 | jelly-home | Lasers: /msg the bot, please |
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| 23:02.30 | signbit | how can I connect to a wifi network using nmcli? |
| 23:02.43 | signbit | I just set up a new machine, with X but I'm using openbox |
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| 23:03.15 | signbit | am I doomed to 'apt-get install network-manager-gnome' ? |
| 23:03.22 | jelly-home | wicd! |
| 23:03.25 | jelly-home | hides |
| 23:03.31 | signbit | jelly-home: I used wicd |
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| 23:03.44 | signbit | but it does not cope well with crappy wifi |
| 23:04.10 | signbit | and using both wired and wireless networks simultaneously is too advanced for them |
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| 23:04.28 | nardev | hello, how can i fin out which php.ini is being used via shell? it seems that phpinfo() function is disabled there :(? |
| 23:04.43 | jelly-home | might as well use wpa_supplicant directly |
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| 23:06.46 | jelly-home | nardev: if you're using php5-cli, it's going to be /etc/php5/cli/php.ini. If you're using php5-cgi, /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini. And so on. |
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| 23:08.02 | nardev | jelly-home, but it has some kinde of cpanel that acutally mixed php.inis so i need to find the one that is being used i have list of about 30 php.ini's when i do locate php.ini |
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| 23:10.51 | nardev | jelly-home, i find out |
| 23:10.54 | nardev | php --ini |
| 23:10.55 | nardev | ;) |
| 23:11.21 | yagoo | I cant seem to find an answer for this.. Can I delete a problematic entry in the available file ? (I believe a little while ago i got a power failure) |
| 23:11.31 | yagoo | (dpkg) |
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| 23:11.41 | yagoo | (/var/lib/dpkg/available) |
| 23:12.00 | antivirtel | how can I run a script, when a specified user logs in to a tty? (only terminal, no graphical interface)... like what runs to check my mail... |
| 23:12.52 | yagoo | antivirtel, that's not related to debian.. basically u can use cron with who commands |
| 23:13.25 | antivirtel | ok, thanks yagoo |
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| 23:14.36 | yagoo | (last command also can show who's currently logged on) |
| 23:14.42 | yagoo | (last <enter>) |
| 23:15.04 | yagoo | anyone can answer this problem i currently have? |
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| 23:15.33 | notpizzaplanet | so i have installed lenny and it doesnt boot |
| 23:15.44 | yagoo | "dpkg -C |
| 23:15.44 | yagoo | warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 59534 package 'virtualbox-3.1': |
| 23:15.44 | yagoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.44 | yagoo | " |
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| 23:16.03 | themill | dpkg: tell yagoo about paste |
| 23:16.09 | yagoo | that was 3 lines |
| 23:16.23 | themill | yagoo: 4, actually. /msg dpkg available |
| 23:16.31 | yagoo | i typed the fourth :) |
| 23:16.40 | themill | ... |
| 23:17.00 | yagoo | thanks |
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| 23:17.57 | yagoo | that's exactly what i was looking for! :) |
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| 23:20.48 | notpizzaplanet | how do i make lenny boot |
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| 23:36.21 | jelly-home | nardev: oh. cpanel doesn't sound like Debian |
| 23:36.45 | nardev | :( |
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| 23:38.17 | thepro4ever | anyone know a good free music streamer for debian that also allows you to save the song to disk? |
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| 23:41.50 | Technicality | does anyone know what a service called "http" is? |
| 23:42.54 | thepro4ever | anyone see an invalid enum in this code? i am getting a 1280 error http://codepad.org/rH1ZkaNZ |
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| 23:43.33 | bennis | how easy is it to fuck up a system from a non-root account without the root password? |
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| 23:44.02 | thepro4ever | sorry wrong channel |
| 23:45.06 | bennis | anyone? |
| 23:45.52 | jelly-home | bennis: there are all sorts of ways to provoke a denial of service. |
| 23:46.23 | jelly-home | if you have decent knowledge of how a unix OS works, it's fairly easy |
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| 23:48.02 | thepro4ever | i still get a 1280 after replacing gl_alpha with gl_rgba |
| 23:48.22 | jelly-home | thepro4ever: still wrong channel? |
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| 23:48.53 | bennis | jelly-home: and how much damage could you do to a system? force a reboot, sure, but system wide damage? |
| 23:49.10 | bennis | something that couldn't be fixed by a restoration of the user's home folder? |
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| 23:50.10 | jelly-home | it depends. Why do you ask? |
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| 23:51.23 | bennis | because if i set up a library computer running debian i don't want it to do anything more than damage their home folder |
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| 23:51.31 | bennis | which would be overwritten on login |
| 23:51.51 | hydra | bennis: if the disk is damaged the system will become unusable |
| 23:51.54 | hydra | that's obvious |
| 23:52.04 | hydra | if you want, setup a NETBOOT |
| 23:52.04 | jelly-home | image it first, at first sign of trouble just restore from image |
| 23:52.09 | bennis | not the disk itself :P |
| 23:52.17 | bennis | exactly what i was thinking |
| 23:52.18 | bennis | but |
| 23:52.27 | bennis | i was thinking of simplifying it |
| 23:52.29 | bennis | ie |
| 23:52.33 | hydra | also there's a boot & go setup |
| 23:52.35 | bennis | just overwrite the home folder on login |
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| 23:52.43 | hydra | using a PCI card, or something (not sure) |
| 23:52.45 | bennis | yeah but it'd be easier to do installations |
| 23:52.55 | holycow | hmmm... anyone remember the name of the toolkit that you can use to create a sort of graphical interface for pure cli apps? |
| 23:52.56 | bennis | already have the hardware and all |
| 23:52.57 | hydra | you can do netboot |
| 23:53.05 | hydra | and have the profiles via NFS |
| 23:53.14 | bennis | oh |
| 23:53.16 | jelly-home | bennis: if your local user can get a shell and use a local privilege escalation, it's game over. There's a new local root exploit maybe once a month. |
| 23:53.35 | bennis | so have a local installation and the logon on a remote server? |
| 23:53.35 | hydra | jelly-home: that's not true. |
| 23:53.44 | hydra | yes |
| 23:53.50 | hydra | you can have /home in another compuer |
| 23:53.51 | jelly-home | hydra: which part? |
| 23:53.51 | hydra | compuer |
| 23:53.54 | hydra | centralized |
| 23:53.58 | bennis | jelly-home: well as long as it's not worse than that then we're fine |
| 23:53.59 | hydra | jelly-home: local exploit per month |
| 23:54.05 | yagoo | holycow, there's dialog maybe xdialog, if i were u i'd check out gambas2 |
| 23:54.18 | jelly-home | hydra: check the last two months of DSAs. |
| 23:54.19 | bennis | good call on the /home on another computer |
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| 23:54.28 | hydra | jelly-home: 2 month is not every month |
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| 23:54.42 | hydra | (also, you can use grsecurity) |
| 23:54.43 | holycow | oh right right ... there is another one that is quite popular, the name is on the tip of my tongue but i can't bloody remember! |
| 23:54.50 | holycow | yagoo: thx for that bt |
| 23:55.08 | yagoo | np |
| 23:55.30 | jelly-home | hydra: I didn't tell you to check because there's exactly one. I told you because there's a couple. It's a rough estimate anyway. |
| 23:55.35 | bennis | do you need access to anything other than your home folder to run a desktop gui? |
| 23:55.42 | hydra | bennis: netboot and centralized homes |
| 23:55.57 | hydra | bennis: system libraries, but actually not |
| 23:56.21 | bennis | so you don't even need read access for anything but your home folder? |
| 23:56.26 | bennis | if all you want is firefox etc? |
| 23:56.30 | jelly-home | bennis: securing machines from users that have accounts and physical access is a rather complex issue. |
| 23:56.35 | hydra | bennis: you need READ access to /bin,etc. |
| 23:56.37 | hydra | but yes |
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| 23:57.00 | hydra | bennis: XEN may help |
| 23:57.13 | bennis | jelly-home: i'm just thinking if i can restore it pretty quickly then getting it hacked isn't a big issue |
| 23:57.39 | hydra | bennis: www.xen.org/ |
| 23:57.40 | jelly-home | bennis: what you get restored needs to be less hackable than the previous version though |
| 23:58.08 | bennis | right |
