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| 00:15.16 | bencc1 | how can I output a public gpg key as ascii? something like http://dpaste.com/548109/ |
| 00:15.55 | stew | bencc1: gpg --export -a keyid |
| 00:15.57 | daemonkeeper | -a |
| 00:16.22 | bencc1 | thanks |
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| 00:24.10 | yashy | I'm trying to get postfix + SASL working. If I look at http://wiki.debian.org/PostfixAndSASL I can't follow step 0 and postfix-tls doesn't seem to exist as a package? |
| 00:24.24 | yashy | s/and/as/ |
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| 00:25.08 | yashy | May 29 17:17:21 vps postfix/smtpd[18177]: warning: SASL: Connect to private/auth failed: No such file or directory |
| 00:25.08 | yashy | May 29 17:17:21 vps postfix/smtpd[18177]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 00:25.24 | yashy | but a ps auwx | grep sasl shows it running |
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| 00:27.48 | stew | yashy: yeah, you shoud just need libsasl2-2 now |
| 00:28.19 | stew | yashy: is your postfix chrooted? |
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| 00:31.13 | yashy | stew: I have libsasl2-2 installed. I believe it is (default), how can I verify? |
| 00:31.59 | stew | yashy: actually i see now that postfix depends on it directly so you must have it installed |
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| 00:32.41 | yashy | in master.cf for postfix it has a - for chroot, which I believe is a yes by default |
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| 00:45.12 | Aenigma | does debian have some sort of experimental repository of sorts for firefox/iceweasel 4? |
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| 00:46.58 | yashy | Anyone have any other suggestions? |
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| 00:48.32 | doublehp | how do i do to give eth0 several v6 adresses ? |
| 00:48.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | Aenigma: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 00:50.44 | somiaj | Aenigma: there is an experimental repo, and appears that its there already, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel |
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| 00:51.51 | Aenigma | somiaj: well, I don't really want all the experimental stuff. So should I go with mozilla.debian.net if they just have the same stuff? |
| 00:52.44 | somiaj | Aenigma: experimential isn't a full distro, except for the iceweasle stuff its built on top of sid. If you want to use for stable you can backport or follow Kamping_Kaiser suggestion |
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| 00:55.32 | agrundner | Hey, guys. I have PHP working with phpmyadmin, however, it's not working with my virtualhosts. The guys at #php tell me the issue with apache2.conf. Sound right? No replies at #httpd. If yes, I've got it posted here: http://pastebin.com/ZxtgTR3k | Aside: just upgraded to squeeze, was working previously |
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| 00:56.47 | doublehp | is there a real good IPv6 tuto for debian ? |
| 00:57.07 | Aenigma | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, by the way. |
| 00:57.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | Aenigma: np |
| 00:57.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: ipv6 |
| 00:57.22 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 00:57.44 | doublehp | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 sux deeply |
| 00:58.03 | doublehp | http://madduck.net/docs/ipv6/ way better |
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| 00:58.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | then update it :) |
| 00:59.49 | ujjain | "She's pushy and he's whipped, but that's not the expression". What did Rajesh say? |
| 01:01.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ujjain: wrong channel? |
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| 01:25.15 | jonesst1 | gee quiet |
| 01:25.17 | jonesst1 | zzzzzz |
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| 01:27.18 | jonesst1 | ***yawn*** |
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| 01:31.24 | chelz | there are so many MTAs |
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| 01:31.40 | rgr | there are if you call them MTAs.. |
| 01:31.40 | jonesst1 | yep |
| 01:32.14 | rgr | exim4 and damn the rest |
| 01:32.34 | chelz | hah |
| 01:32.37 | jonesst1 | oh goodie a flame war on mtas |
| 01:32.43 | jonesst1 | sendmail :P~~~~~~ |
| 01:32.52 | chelz | i'm just putting a list together at this point and narrowing it down |
| 01:33.02 | rgr | exim4 is in debian, replaces the secrutiy mess that is sendmail and pretty much does the lot. |
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| 01:33.17 | chelz | exim4 might be overkill for what i want |
| 01:33.27 | jonesst1 | funny but ive built hundresd of sendmail boxes and had no problems |
| 01:33.27 | chelz | ideally i like using really tiny stuff that just does what i need, if i can get away with it |
| 01:33.35 | chelz | i want wildcard addresses and ideally not much bigger than ssmtp |
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| 01:34.31 | smugglerinc | ACPID runs power management? |
| 01:34.53 | rgr | jonesst1: sure you have. sure. hundreds. all that despite the copious documented issues and it being the reason for things like postfix. |
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| 01:35.25 | rgr | chelz: wildcard addresses? |
| 01:35.29 | jonesst1 | oh the docs are a bit hard but ive used it on so many systems I know it well enough |
| 01:35.55 | rgr | that doesnt make it secure. and things like exim4 provide compatible sendmail replacements. |
| 01:36.00 | chelz | rgr: say if someone sends mail to bar@myhost but there is no bar, i want it to go to one big mailbox |
| 01:36.22 | chelz | there are these 'virtual users' i guess in some MTAs |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | chelz: many MTAs have that ability |
| 01:36.30 | rgr | yes. |
| 01:36.42 | rgr | standard on many mtas |
| 01:36.56 | chelz | do they usually call it virtual users? |
| 01:36.57 | pav5088 | I'd like to install a package in a script, and for this package to ask even low priority questions... how would I achieve this? Also, it would be nice if debconf could ask these questions via basic text and not the blue/white debconf text interface (is that even possible?) |
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| 01:37.06 | rgr | no |
| 01:37.34 | rgr | virtual users tend to be users associated with emails with vhosts on apache in my experience but I could be wrong on how others term it. |
| 01:37.56 | abrotman | pav5088: you want to override the settings the user has set? |
| 01:38.18 | wols | pav5088: debconf. and yes, debconf has a readline interface you can configure to use |
| 01:38.24 | chelz | rgr: what would you call that accepting mail for nonexistent users? |
| 01:38.24 | pav5088 | abrotman, yes... but only for installation of a single package (this is in a script) |
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| 01:38.43 | rgr | chelz: a catchall personally |
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| 01:39.20 | rgr | but normally you want to configure a few common sense addesses and blackhole the rest IMO. |
| 01:39.44 | chelz | ah maybe |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | pav5088: that's probably be a policy violatoin or bug .. the user has used those settings for a reason |
| 01:40.01 | chelz | what're the best things for spam on one's own server these days? |
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| 01:40.15 | rgr | plugging in spamhaus into exim4 |
| 01:41.02 | rgr | google this for example : CHECK_RCPT_IP_DNSBLS = sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org : bl.spamcop.net : cbl.abuseat.org |
| 01:41.20 | chelz | ah alright |
| 01:41.25 | chelz | that's a good starting point thanks |
| 01:41.48 | rgr | dont get me wrong, exim4 docs are awfully hard to understand at times but its used, reliable and there. And most things are a google away. |
| 01:41.52 | chelz | any kind of filter software though? i heard stuff about bayesian spam filtering not too long ago |
| 01:42.06 | chelz | yeah one thing exim4 has going for it is it's default on some big distros |
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| 01:42.30 | pav5088 | abrotman, it's for the configuration of slapd... doing a dpkg-reconfigure is broken unfortunately since cn=config became the default way of configuring slapd... (slapd ends up with TWO sets of settings) |
| 01:42.35 | rgr | chelz: I only use those blacklists. they work well. |
| 01:42.56 | rgr | you can plugin spamassassin and the like but its more trouble than its worth imo |
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| 01:43.22 | smugglerinc | My ACPI seems to have an issue of telling the power manager the wrong battery level. So this results in me occasionally unplugging my laptop and then the power manager gets told my full battery is at a critical level. Where would I start in diagnosing this? |
| 01:43.23 | rgr | I sed to do all client side filtering in gnus but it became too convoluted and slow |
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| 01:43.42 | chelz | rgr: you still get some spam right? since spamassassin could pick up what spamhaus might miss i would think |
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| 01:43.47 | wols | chelz: crm114, dspam, bogofilter, spamassassin... |
| 01:43.49 | chelz | or something like spamassassin |
| 01:44.19 | rgr | there are oodles of possibilities. asking here is like asking how long is a piece of string. google and decide. I dont use filters other than blacklists personally. |
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| 01:44.39 | rgr | (and gmail for personal emails! great spam filtering) |
| 01:44.44 | Zelozelos | running deb 6 from virtural box inside of ubuntu 11.04, almost ready to uninstall ubuntu and keep debian. one thing though, cant seem to get compiz working, no effects are working...am i missing something ? |
| 01:44.53 | Zelozelos | even tried installing gnome..still no dice |
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| 01:45.09 | wols | abrotman: you need a longer timeout after auth to nickserv and before joining channels. or use sasl auth |
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| 01:45.29 | smugglerinc | I don't think that compiz would work inside of a VM very well. |
| 01:45.50 | wols | Zelozelos: you enabled 3D support and installed the 3D extensions driver? |
| 01:46.03 | rgr | think or know? If the host runs it it should worf |
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| 01:46.04 | rgr | work |
| 01:46.11 | abrotman | wols: i don't care with this client .. |
| 01:46.12 | Zelozelos | smugglerinc, so compiz will work with xfce or whatever its called, i do have the 3d turned on, |
| 01:46.20 | smugglerinc | Ah, alright. |
| 01:46.30 | Zelozelos | when i compiz --replace it seems to start but goes right back to the other |
| 01:46.34 | chelz | rgr: i'd really like to switch away from gmail where i can. but yeah the spam filtering keeps me there so far. |
| 01:47.23 | rgr | I swithced away from gmail for a while. I soon went back to it. No downtime to speak of, email everywhere, good spam filtering, good filter UI, imap, gigabytes of storage etc etc etc. |
| 01:47.29 | chelz | Zelozelos: can you do some test 3d stuff? |
| 01:47.37 | Zelozelos | does anyone in here have compiz working with the cube effect using debian 601? |
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| 01:47.56 | Zelozelos | chelz not sure what 3d stuff to try, blender is working |
| 01:47.56 | chelz | rgr: i can get all of those except for the filter ui and spam filtering on a server of my own setup nicely i think |
| 01:48.25 | Zelozelos | theres even almost no slow down ...almost rofl |
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| 01:48.41 | rgr | you can get the spam filtering easily on your own too. But its a slog. My mail server fell over a few times so I decided to move back tp gmail. |
| 01:48.50 | Zelozelos | im so sick of fixing ubuntu i think ill do without cube if i have 2 |
| 01:49.01 | smugglerinc | My ACPI seems to have an issue of telling the power manager the wrong battery level. So this results in me occasionally unplugging my laptop and then the power manager gets told my full battery is at a critical level. Where would I start in diagnosing this? |
| 01:49.03 | rgr | cube is for fanboyz anyway... ;) |
| 01:49.07 | ZykoticK9 | Zelozelos, i've always had to install compiz-gnome to get compiz working with my gnome-desktop-environment installs |
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| 01:49.36 | wols | smugglerinc: by checking acpi stats directly |
| 01:49.47 | Zelozelos | yup, i even installed gnome.. its prob because im running through virturalbox |
| 01:50.06 | rgr | that will only tell the the redings. It wont tell him why the levels are reported incorrectly. |
| 01:50.43 | wols | but it makes sure if the readings are wrong or not. acpi is not such a complicated thing (well it is, but better check the simple things first) |
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| 01:51.05 | wols | best to avoid hunting or even rewriting DSDTs if at all possible |
| 01:51.06 | Zelozelos | ok well im off to start backing up stuff..thanks i just want to check to see if anyone knew exactly what i was doing wrong.. |
| 01:51.17 | chelz | rgr: have you ever used roundcube? |
| 01:51.34 | rgr | roundcube? |
| 01:52.16 | smugglerinc | If i hover my mouse over the battery it would say 100% and when I unplug it the tooltip would say something along the lines of "Battery level 100%" |
| 01:52.17 | smugglerinc | "Battery level critical Shutting down!" |
| 01:52.58 | rgr | welcome to Linux buggy acpi implemenations. You're not alone. |
| 01:52.59 | chelz | rgr: it's a fancy email ui thing http://roundcube.net/ |
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| 01:53.09 | rgr | I use gnus in emacs ;) |
| 01:53.10 | chelz | sounds like a dead battery to me |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | it's not linux ... it's the hardware vendors |
| 01:53.16 | rgr | Zzzz |
| 01:53.39 | smugglerinc | The battery is not dead. I can use the battery alone for a two hour ish period before it is low. |
| 01:53.40 | rgr | chelz: good luck. I'm off. |
| 01:53.48 | chelz | rgr: i haven't used roundcube but i thought it might have a good filter ui |
| 01:53.58 | chelz | rgr: ah ok. thanks for the help. |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | smugglerinc: there are many systems with a broken acpi .. and you end up having weird things happen . have you tried booting without acpi ? |
| 01:54.24 | abrotman | chelz: AFAIK, roundcube is just a simple webmail client |
| 01:54.28 | rgr | do the filtering server side. e.g I use gmail to apply labels to mailing list candidtaes so I can read them in their own imap folder(label) |
| 01:54.32 | abrotman | FSVO simple |
| 01:54.35 | smugglerinc | Wouldn't that cause my computer to ignore the battery and make that not work? |
| 01:54.49 | abrotman | smugglerinc: easy to test, no ? |
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| 01:55.08 | wols | abrotman: there are ways to use Sieve in roundcube. if you have a decent imap server |
| 01:55.25 | abrotman | isn't that the server side? not the webmail client ? |
| 01:55.51 | wols | roundcube runs on a server too. but yes, sieve is part of the imapd. you run cyrus, you should know |
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| 01:56.33 | smugglerinc | abrotman: I do not think that would allow me to check if my issue persists I do not believe. The issue is when I switch from outlet to battery. |
| 01:56.54 | rgr | well it was you who said you can use Sievein roundcube. Sieve is outside of the roundcube remit since it operates on the imapd. |
| 01:57.06 | wols | smugglerinc: you don't need an acpid. run without it and check |
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| 01:57.27 | wols | running without acpi itself is not suggested since then you disable your notebook's powermanagement. not a good idea |
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| 01:58.49 | smugglerinc | wols: Apologies, I am a bit confused. Isn't acpi what tells the computer to switch to battery power? |
| 01:59.07 | abrotman | no |
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| 01:59.32 | smugglerinc | wols: Alright, The boot option with grub would be '-noacpi' correct? |
| 01:59.33 | wols | smugglerinc: you plugging off the power supply is what tells your computer to switch |
| 01:59.42 | abrotman | smugglerinc: acpi=off |
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| 01:59.53 | smugglerinc | wols: That would check if it was a hardware issue then. Alright |
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| 02:00.03 | smugglerinc | Back in a bit then. |
| 02:00.16 | wols | as I said, I wouldn't disable acpi altogether |
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| 02:00.42 | wols | not at first at least. first, exit X, disable any acpi daemon that runs and check |
| 02:00.44 | smugglerinc | Then I shall file that in the magic category and not worry about it. |
| 02:00.55 | Lacant | any scrotwm users on? |
| 02:01.05 | wols | !tell Lacant about ask |
| 02:01.22 | smugglerinc | wols: Acpi daemons have acpi in the name? |
| 02:01.38 | doublehp | smugglerinc: yes |
| 02:01.52 | doublehp | ps aux | grep -e acpi -e apm |
| 02:01.56 | smugglerinc | assuming I can just run a kill on them? |
| 02:02.13 | doublehp | there is only one |
| 02:02.31 | doublehp | smugglerinc: what for ? |
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| 02:02.36 | Lacant | has anybody managed to get a systray to work with scrotwm? |
| 02:03.03 | smugglerinc | doublehp: diagnosing power issues. |
| 02:03.26 | smugglerinc | The powermanager is getting passed bad info. |
| 02:03.41 | smugglerinc | ALright killing X |
| 02:03.48 | doublehp | smugglerinc: considering i am gonna eat, i ll not dig your matter deeper. |
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| 02:05.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im a bit puzzled here. I downloaded a few packages that are from other sources such as google chrome browser and adobe reader and this is the first time I have installed them and there launchers not show up in the menus. I checked the write permission for the menu settings in my home folder and everything seems fine with that. Not sure why its doing this. I just reinstalled my system fresh yesterday because I am running software raid 0 n |
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| 02:06.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | Any other simple reason that may not be shown? |
| 02:06.47 | wols | LinuxGuy2009: cause maybe those other packages are not built properly? bad quality control most likely |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: you should ask the people that created those packages |
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| 02:07.20 | abrotman | or learn how to make your own menu entries |
| 02:07.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | Its strange cause they are burned on a CD-R and have always worked fine on squeeze before. |
| 02:07.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | hmm |
| 02:07.49 | abrotman | is your 'xorg' package installed ? |
| 02:08.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | Guess Ill just make my own menu entries. Thats fine. |
| 02:08.57 | ZykoticK9 | LinuxGuy2009, did you try refreshing Gnome panel (assuming you are using Gnome) with something like "killall gnome-panel" or logout/backin to see if they appear? |
| 02:09.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | ZykoticK9: Yeah I opened System Monitor and killed the gnome panel and didnt change the menu like I expected. |
| 02:10.08 | smugglerinc | I am currently running without acpid at the moment. I see a notification that the battery is critically low and that it will shutdown soon. But if I hover over the graphical battery in the try it is reporting 1 hour 40 minutes and 90.3% battery. |
| 02:10.49 | smugglerinc | Would this confirm that acpid is the issue? |
| 02:12.36 | smugglerinc | wols? |
| 02:14.19 | wols | so your powermanager doesn't need acpid in the first place? me thinks your "power manager" is the problem, nothing else. why do you need it again? |
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| 02:16.37 | smugglerinc | Well I think. Oop I forgot to restart X. Would that contribute? Don't I need the power manager to tell the computer to hibernate on lid close and on battery power and that good kind of stuff? |
| 02:18.39 | wols | all that can be done without X, without any GUI powermanager crap |
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| 02:19.41 | diegoviola | hi |
| 02:19.56 | smugglerinc | Alright. Then I will restart acpid and kill the powermanager? |
| 02:20.00 | smugglerinc | then check? |
| 02:20.01 | diegoviola | wow, I've noticed there's a Linux kernel 3.0-rc1 out in kernel.org, does this means that future Linux releases will be versioned as 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, etc? |
| 02:20.15 | smugglerinc | Probably. |
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| 02:20.42 | diegoviola | interesting, thanks |
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| 02:21.05 | cookiemon5ter | what happened to 2.8 lol |
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| 02:21.48 | cookiemon5ter | maybe trying to make v3 for 20th year |
| 02:21.50 | dvs | That usually means there's an incompatible change in the kernel |
| 02:22.15 | cookiemon5ter | dvs: thought that was what the odd numbers were |
| 02:22.20 | cookiemon5ter | 2.7 2.9 etc |
| 02:22.32 | smugglerinc | wols: Should I restart acpid then kill the gnome power manager and try checking again? |
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| 02:24.39 | dvs | cookiemon5ter: No, odd numbers are testing kernels |
| 02:24.59 | mainstreet | What's the exact package name for the full Java setup? |
| 02:25.02 | cookiemon5ter | right |
| 02:25.31 | abrotman | mainstreet: apt-cache search java sdk ? |
| 02:25.53 | gino | mainstreet: sun java or openjava |
| 02:26.18 | smugglerinc | mainstreet: when I install java I usually use 'apt-cache search java sun jre' |
| 02:26.19 | mainstreet | sun java -- I'm having issues with openjava >< |
| 02:26.28 | mainstreet | alright, I'll try that |
| 02:26.37 | gino | maintstreet: it is.... |
| 02:26.55 | smugglerinc | sun-java6-jre |
| 02:27.23 | gino | damn |
| 02:27.26 | mainstreet | Nope. |
| 02:27.37 | mainstreet | referred to by another package :3 |
| 02:27.51 | gino | enabled non-free? |
| 02:27.55 | gino | I think its in that |
| 02:28.16 | mainstreet | blinks |
| 02:28.22 | mainstreet | I'm still fairly new at this... |
| 02:28.31 | smugglerinc | Yay! Wols fixed a issue on someone elses computer! |
| 02:28.35 | gino | pm me |
| 02:29.33 | smugglerinc | I think |
| 02:29.54 | cookiemon5ter | mainstreet: if you need it for your browser there's a plugin package |
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| 02:30.15 | cookiemon5ter | aptitude search ftw |
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| 02:30.25 | mainstreet | No, it's an irc bot issue. >> |
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| 02:32.34 | smugglerinc | How would I check my battery level via command line? |
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| 02:34.08 | nevyn | acpi |
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| 02:34.52 | smugglerinc | I probably should have figured. >_> |
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| 02:35.14 | wols | smugglerinc: acpi != acpid |
| 02:35.30 | wols | also, you can most certainly cat some /proc file of some kind to check |
| 02:35.57 | smugglerinc | wols: I figured that there is a difference. |
| 02:36.27 | smugglerinc | But for my reference, could you tell me what the difference is? |
| 02:37.04 | wols | acpi is a commandline tool, acpid is a daemon? |
| 02:37.31 | smugglerinc | Fair enough. |
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| 02:41.16 | smugglerinc | Thank you again wols. |
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| 02:43.01 | cwg | Hifolks - just want to check... if I want to install an app version that isn't in main, and isn't in backports, then I'm sure a generic Debian deb package is safe - but a .deb for Wheezy is still risky even though I don't have Wheezy repos enabled? |
| 02:43.22 | smugglerinc | Not really. |
| 02:43.37 | smugglerinc | But a wheezy package might not work due to dependencies. |
| 02:44.23 | somiaj | cwg: depends are usually the problem part, /msg dpkg ssbp (you can easily compile your own package) |
| 02:44.37 | somiaj | cwg: of course complicated pacakges this isn't so easy (such as say gnome) |
| 02:45.01 | cwg | ok... so adding wheezy repos = definitely risky, but it doesn't hurt to try a wheezy deb? |
| 02:45.10 | smugglerinc | and somethings don't need to be turned into a package to be usable. |
| 02:45.19 | smugglerinc | No, It does not hurt. |
| 02:45.23 | cwg | learning to make is on my list of things to do :) |
| 02:45.36 | cwg | excellent, thank you. |
| 02:45.56 | smugglerinc | yep |
| 02:46.18 | cwg | though I guess I won't know for sure if everything's working properly until I try all the functions... |
| 02:46.22 | somiaj | cwg: problem is most debs depend on libc6, and that is a very core package so high chanve the deb you want will depend on libc6 from wheezy (and not the one from squeeze) -- this and other core packages can cause problem |
| 02:46.42 | somiaj | cwg: you can check packages.debian.org/<pkg name> -- and check the depends, if you satisfy them your fine, but better to backport yourself |
| 02:47.10 | cwg | ah, ok... so definitely worth learning to make |
| 02:47.46 | wols | !wayttd cwg |
| 02:47.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cwg? |
| 02:47.49 | smugglerinc | make is a useful and its relatively simple. |
| 02:48.05 | somiaj | !tell cwg about ssb |
| 02:48.08 | cwg | somiaj, "backport yourself" - is that different from compiling? |
| 02:48.09 | somiaj | !tell cwg about ssbp |
| 02:48.14 | wols | if make works easily, then so does a backport. and the backport is a LOT better |
| 02:48.36 | somiaj | cwg: what package are you trying to get a newer versino of? |
| 02:49.00 | smugglerinc | I've never actually tried making a package.. |
| 02:49.09 | cwg | wols, somiaj, trying to install the newer choqok, which is not in backports. |
| 02:49.09 | somiaj | cwg: its slighty different, instead of just compling and the installing the source, you compile and package the source into a package. You then install that package. |
| 02:49.42 | cwg | somiaj, which has the advantage that I canshare the package... anything else? |
| 02:50.07 | wols | ,versions choqok |
| 02:50.09 | judd | Package choqok on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.81-3; sid: 1.1-1; wheezy: 1.1-1 |
| 02:50.15 | somiaj | cwg: shouldn't be to diffcult to backport, you'll just to install the whole kde development libaries |
| 02:50.19 | wols | cwg: it has the advantage that you can remove the package or upgrade it |
| 02:50.39 | somiaj | cwg: it has the avantage that you can use the package manager to instal/remove it, pluss if you have anything that depends on that package, its in your package database |
| 02:50.53 | smugglerinc | Ah! |
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| 02:51.04 | somiaj | cwg: keeps y our isntall nicer.....I always prefer to compile a package as opposed to just source, I compile many packages on my system and I run sid. |
| 02:51.23 | cwg | nice - thanks somiaj |
| 02:51.36 | smugglerinc | I shall remember that next time I need a newer program. |
| 02:52.05 | cwg | I'm going to spend some time on that, take it step by step. |
| 02:52.25 | somiaj | cwg: that factoid I sent you is easy to follow |
| 02:52.32 | somiaj | !tell smugglerinc about ssbp |
| 02:52.41 | smugglerinc | Can you specify the install prefix for the package? |
| 02:52.51 | wols | smugglerinc: why would you? |
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| 02:52.57 | Bops | hi |
| 02:53.15 | nevyn | wols: to install a i386 libs package on amd64 ;) |
| 02:53.53 | smugglerinc | Or to make sure that a newer wine doesn't replace a older wine |
| 02:54.16 | wols | having two packages of the same name is not exactly supported |
| 02:54.38 | somiaj | smugglerinc: wine_1.3.21_amd64.deb -- made that today, though really dont' want to have more than one version of wine isntalled |
| 02:54.58 | somiaj | smugglerinc: though the wine development version doesn't come with a debian/ dir so you have to use dh_make to make it |
| 02:55.48 | cwg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.55 | smugglerinc | somiaj: You can run with multiple versions of wine if you use bottles I believe. |
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| 02:56.55 | jmarsden | It's when you start wanting crates to manage all the bottles that you run into issues? :) |
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| 02:57.37 | smugglerinc | Crates certainly make ones job easier :D |
| 02:57.52 | somiaj | smugglerinc: sure there was also a great program you could use to manage /usr/local/ installs -- but I haven't seen a reason to use multiple versions of wine -- never had somethign work in an olderversion and not the newer version. |
| 02:58.08 | muhoo | i'm on squeeze, installed squid, and the conf file says it is supposed to use /usr/lib/squid/dnsserver, but there's no such binary in the debian squid or squid-common packages |
| 02:58.55 | smugglerinc | somiaj: I suppose I haven't tried running the things with the older wines in the new wine. |
| 02:59.17 | jmarsden | muhoo: apt-file could help you locate the file and/or the package it comes from |
| 02:59.45 | Bops | I'm a novice trying to set up apache2 (with the goal of using apache2-svn to browse my programming files). I followed the instructions here: http://www.control-escape.com/web/configuring-apache2-debian.html. I installed apache2, made sure it's started (And restarted it a few times), but when I try "telnet locahost 10080" I get connection refused. If I type "netstat -a" I don't see it listening on port 10080. I just want to see the "Apa |
| 03:01.12 | wols | Bops: why do you need it to listen on port 10080? |
| 03:01.30 | Bops | wols: oh, I like to use custom ports for security reasons. |
| 03:02.03 | wols | that's not security.... but anyways, if you want a non-standard config you have to edit the config files obviously |
| 03:02.43 | Bops | I did. I edited ports.conf to make it listen on 10080, then edited \sites-enabed\000-default to make the potr 10080. |
| 03:02.54 | Bops | I can change it all back to 80 if you think this is a potential cause |
| 03:03.39 | wols | cd /etc/apache2 && grep -r 80 * |
| 03:04.04 | Bops | maybe it's not real security, but it certainly makes the logs less spammy when you're not using 22 for ssh. I made it a habit to use 10000+port number instead of port number :) |
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| 03:05.18 | Bops | ports.conf:NameVirtualHost *:10080 ; ports.conf:Listen 10080 ; sites-available/default:<VirtualHost *:10080> ; sites-enabled/000-default:<VirtualHost *:10080> |
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| 03:09.33 | jmarsden | Bops: for ssh on port 22, try using denyhosts rather than messing with ports. |
| 03:11.31 | jmarsden | Bops: for apache, try aptitude purge apache\* # and then reinstall apache2, and test that it listens on port 80 by default. Following random articles when you are a novice is almost always a bad idea. |
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| 03:12.52 | smugglerinc | Agreed |
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| 03:13.03 | Bops | allright |
| 03:13.06 | karter | hi all |
| 03:13.25 | smugglerinc | Hello |
| 03:14.03 | karter | I'm trying to build a simple debian package - i'm familiar with SPEC files in centos / rh - porting my app to debian - it complies nicely - need to package as a debian package |
| 03:14.43 | karter | the tutorials seem confusing - all i need to do is have the package install in /opt/dir1/dir2 and the /etc/init.d/file |
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| 03:15.48 | karter | any help / software that will make my life easier ? |
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| 03:18.24 | karter | ? |
| 03:18.40 | wols | karter: /msg dpkg nmg and #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 03:21.55 | metrix | The comedi library that comes with debian stable requires a kernel 2.6.32.18 or newer. What is the safest way for me to upgrade my server to a 2.6.32.18 kernel or newer kernel |
| 03:22.25 | metrix | note: this is not a mission critical server, it's just a box I do testing on.. If it crashes, i am not going to be terribly concerned |
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| 03:22.44 | blakkheim | metrix: debian backports perhaps |
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| 03:23.06 | Bops | JM: I used "apt-get purge apache2" since aptitude gave me a bad alloc error, and then manually deleted the /etc/apache2 dir. Now when I apt-get install apache, it doesn't recreate the apache2 dir, and I can't start apache as a result. How do I force apt-get to reinstall the configuration files? I tried googlin for it but the solutions aren't working. |
| 03:23.09 | chelz | metrix: just installing the library from the repos would pull in necessary stuff. it might've been built for debian for the older kernel |
| 03:24.25 | metrix | chelz: Installing the library from the repository? I'm not sure what you mean.. |
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| 03:25.36 | metrix | Are you saying install the libcomedi0 package? "libcomedi0 - Library for Comedi" I have that installed |
| 03:26.03 | chelz | metrix: is it not working? |
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| 03:27.13 | metrix | Chelz: no it's not. my cards i/o ports are not recognized. |
| 03:27.37 | metrix | after googling I came accross this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/comedi_list/browse_thread/thread/2b995f61f0b07a0e |
| 03:28.05 | metrix | the issue they are having is the same issue I am having |
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| 03:29.00 | chelz | metrix: maintaining's one own kernel isn't the most fun thing in the world. you might try that second solution of using CVS drivers first. |
| 03:29.10 | chelz | depending on how easy it is to maintain that comedi stuff |
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| 03:30.25 | metrix | I think blakkheim's idea of just installing the latest backport kernel package will be easy |
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| 03:31.01 | chelz | oh, didn't see that. yeah if there's a maintained kernel in backports that could work |
| 03:31.04 | somiaj | metrix: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/comedi-source -- I dno't see that requirment. Are you tring to install a module package compiled against different kernel headers |
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| 03:31.45 | somiaj | metrix: sorry I even checked the libary, and I don't see this dependency your taking about. Things from stable should only be dependent on stuff in stable. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libcomedi0 |
| 03:33.11 | metrix | I just installed a stock version of debian stable yesterday. I installed libcomedi-dev libcomedi0 and python-comedilib After installation I get the same error that the guy in this link does: http://groups.google.com/group/comedi_list/browse_thread/thread/2b995f61f0b07a0e |
| 03:33.14 | chelz | somiaj: metrix found a bug and the project says a fix for the bug is a newer kernel |
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| 03:33.54 | metrix | which brings up the point.. being a good debian citizen, what should I do? |
| 03:34.15 | somiaj | chelz: ahh ok. |
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| 03:34.37 | somiaj | metrix: there should be a bug report on it in bugs.debian.org |
| 03:34.38 | metrix | should I mail the comedi maintainer group about this? or is it something that I can help fix? |
| 03:34.40 | chelz | metrix: well make sure the kernel you get up going with is updated |
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| 03:35.15 | chelz | metrix: filing a bug in debian like somiaj said would be good longterm |
| 03:35.29 | somiaj | metrix: so first thing you want to do is search to see if the bug has been reported. Is this it? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570069 |
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| 03:36.40 | bencc | is there a local email address which is like /dev/null ? |
| 03:36.57 | somiaj | bencc: create one, make its mailbox /dev/null? |
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| 03:40.37 | metrix | somiaj: no that isn't it.. I am using a stock linux kernel |
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| 03:42.07 | metrix | I will install the backport kernel, and see if that fixes the issue.. If it does then I will file a bug report. |
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| 03:48.03 | syockit | in aptitude: view package description, able to see packages depending on it. But how do I filter it to only installed packages? |
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| 03:52.29 | iluminator101 | Granted permissions without asking for password how do i turn this feature off? |
| 03:52.57 | somiaj | iluminator101: what is grating permissions? Are you talking about sudo? |
| 03:53.27 | iluminator101 | like the terminal |
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| 03:53.42 | syockit | iluminator101: is this about the sudo timeout? |
| 03:53.57 | somiaj | iluminator101: you want it to ask for a password if you launch a terminal inside of your x-session? |
| 03:54.08 | iluminator101 | yea |
| 03:54.28 | iluminator101 | somiaj, yea |
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| 03:55.33 | somiaj | iluminator101: issue is you are already logged on if your in X and just creating a pesudo terminal. Do you just want a feature that 'locks' your dekstop after so long of being inactive? |
| 03:56.24 | iluminator101 | somiaj, thats the screensaver, it already does that, i want feature for the root terminal |
| 03:57.07 | somiaj | iluminator101: are you sure its a root terminal? You need to be more specific about how you are launching this terminal. |
| 03:57.53 | iluminator101 | somiaj, yea root terminal from gnome |
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| 03:59.17 | somiaj | iluminator101: The only way I can think of how a normal user can run a root terminal is via a password unless you ahve sudo setup to run things as root without a passwrod |
| 03:59.58 | somiaj | iluminator101: you can modify your suders with visudo as root to make it so it asks for a password like it should by default. |
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| 04:01.55 | Arrowmaster | i think polkit caches authorization when you enter the root password once so you can keep opening root terminals for a while after that |
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| 04:03.48 | somiaj | iluminator101: please don't msg me...are you running X as root? |
| 04:04.32 | iluminator101 | somiaj, no way |
| 04:04.55 | iluminator101 | thats suicidal |
| 04:05.31 | Arrowmaster | so you turn on the system, login to gnome and then you can run the Root Terminal menu item without entering any password? |
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| 04:06.31 | iluminator101 | Arrowmaster, no initially i have to enter a password |
| 04:06.58 | Arrowmaster | so the you just dont want it to cache the authorization |
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| 04:07.29 | iluminator101 | Arrowmaster, but then if i leave the pc for an hour it doesnt ask for a password i want it ask a password like every 10 minutes of inactivity |
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| 04:10.42 | somiaj | iluminator101: the launcher uses gksu/gnome-sudo which uses the same timer as sudo, so yes you are using sudo to launch the terminal -- I'm unsure why your timer is so high, but that is where I would start looking |
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| 04:11.34 | iluminator101 | somiaj, how would i look into fixing this? |
| 04:12.23 | jmarsden | iluminator101: man sudoers and edit the /etc/sudoers file with the visudo command |
| 04:13.53 | somiaj | iluminator101: look up the timestamp_timeout -- the default should be 15 min. |
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| 04:18.00 | Bops | OK, got Apache2's default install now |
| 04:18.33 | Bops | How do I test whether it works? |
| 04:18.58 | Bops | I still can't connect to localhost, even though there's that 000-default site in /apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 04:19.47 | Arrowmaster | iluminator101: there seems to be an already open bug about this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517525 |
| 04:20.46 | iluminator101 | Defaults env_reset , timestamp_timeout=10 this should do right???? |
| 04:20.53 | ZykoticK9 | Bops, so is it Debian or Ubuntu that you're using ;) |
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| 04:21.08 | Bops | Debian |
| 04:21.23 | Arrowmaster | gksu doesnt use sudo unless configured to do so, it uses polkit by default |
| 04:21.34 | Bops | but since it's command-line, after 30 minutes waiting here, I figured I could ask in ubuntu's channel :) |
| 04:21.38 | ZykoticK9 | Bops, then why on earth where you asking in #ubuntu - lol. Glad you got your config files back. |
| 04:22.14 | Bops | ZykoticK9: what made it work was to --reinstall apache2.2-common (not purge then install, that doesn't work. it had to be reinstall). Then after reinstall, I was able to purge it again. |
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| 04:22.43 | ZykoticK9 | Bops, nice! Glad you got it figured out. |
| 04:22.58 | iluminator101 | so i should just comment out Defaults env_reset and add Defaults env_reset , timestamp_timeout=10, or is there no need to comment out Defaults env_reset |
| 04:23.22 | Bops | ZykoticK9: but now I'm back to square 1, figuring out why the server isn't running, even though /etc/init.d/apache2 restart says it is. |
| 04:23.34 | Bops | I don't see it in "top" or in "netstat -a" |
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| 04:24.30 | ZykoticK9 | Bops, are you searching for httpd or apache? |
| 04:24.39 | Bops | both |
| 04:24.55 | Bops | I only have like 10 things in "top" :) |
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| 04:25.08 | ZykoticK9 | Bops, ok, just checkin' - i recall it's httpd, but could be wrong. "ps aux | grep httpd" maybe? |
| 04:25.44 | Bops | ps -aux has the same processes as "top". no httpd or apache. |
| 04:26.28 | Bops | "Starting web server: apache2." No you're not! |
| 04:27.04 | ZykoticK9 | Bops, just an FYI but it's "ps aux" not "ps -aux" if you use the - you get "Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html" at the very top. I always used -aux until someone pointed out my error. |
| 04:27.23 | iluminator101 | alright guys i gotta hit the sack keep me posted on this one when i come back tomorrow |
| 04:27.26 | iluminator101 | thanks guys |
| 04:28.18 | Bops | ah, it's a system thing...I looked at the logs (sorry it took me this long to think of it. I'm new to this). And in error.log, I have: [alert] (11)Resource temporarily unavailable: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread [alert] No active workers found... Apache is exiting! |
| 04:28.48 | Bops | I have something to google now :) |
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| 04:33.01 | Gump | #debian, I am having a peculiar issue with flashplugin_nonfree. every few days, it gets... corrupted or something. it starts performing extremely poorly. when i replace libflashplayer.so in my plugins folder, it returns to optimal performance for a short time. wtf could be causing this? |
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| 04:36.13 | Bops | yay, it finally works! |
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| 04:36.42 | Bops | it's the server I'm on, it was refusing the creation of new threads. Once I changed Apache2 to use the "prefork" (ie single threaded) version, it runs. |
| 04:36.54 | somiaj | Gump: sounds more like a caching issue than the plugin getting corroupted. |
| 04:37.19 | oldirty | my thoughts exactly |
| 04:38.36 | Gump | somiaj, i thought that might be it, but how can one change the cache settings of flash player? |
| 04:38.42 | Gump | from flash player settings? |
| 04:42.36 | Bops | where should I put a subversion repository? /opt? |
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| 04:44.08 | karter | hi |
| 04:44.17 | somiaj | Gump: might just need to recreate ~/.adobe/ |
| 04:44.32 | somiaj | Gump: the cache folder is in there |
| 04:44.37 | karter | when I run debuild - it always builds the package and installs it inside /usr/share |
| 04:45.00 | karter | how do I set it to another directory in debuild say /opt/foo ? |
| 04:45.06 | somiaj | Gump: seems there is a setting for a control pannel in gnome/kde under system |
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| 04:47.04 | karter | ? |
| 04:47.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | karter: set your makefile/configure paths correctly |
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| 04:48.02 | Gump | somiaj, how might one go about installing this control panel? |
| 04:48.08 | karter | ?? |
| 04:48.17 | Gump | oh, i see it. nvm. thanks |
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| 04:54.25 | s3a | Which debian package do I file a bug report with when hibernation from the GNOME GUI works but then when I attempt to resume the computer it hangs indefinitely with a blinking cursor and the fan spins super fast and the hard drive is not being used? |
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| 04:56.22 | s3a | Or more simply, which package is reponsable for the hibernate option in the GNOME UI? |
| 04:56.33 | somiaj | s3a: might want to figure out what is causing it to hang first, any logs you can check? -- could be many things crashign when comming out of hibernation, though sound/network drivers are usual culprites |
| 04:57.08 | s3a | somiaj, sudo hibernate hibernation resumes properly |
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| 04:57.18 | s3a | that should be relevant |
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| 04:58.15 | somiaj | s3a: ahh, figured it would be the same thing..go gnome. Anyways if you can parse the xml -- try to figure out the command/gnome command run. dpkg -S will of course tell you the package its from. |
| 04:58.51 | s3a | somiaj, i don't know how to "parse the xml" |
| 04:59.02 | s3a | or wait |
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| 04:59.07 | syockit | I'm reiterating question about aptitude: when viewing package description, how do you apply filter so that it lists only installed packages? |
| 04:59.09 | somiaj | s3a: yea only way I can think of how to look up the command in the gnome-menu |
| 04:59.11 | s3a | somiaj, basically jsut read some script and search for the package name? |
| 04:59.39 | s3a | somiaj, by the way this is on squeeze and it worked before |
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| 05:03.54 | s3a | somiaj, which xml do I parse? |
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| 05:05.13 | s3a | somiaj, gnome-power-manager? |
| 05:05.15 | cwg | hi again - how do I add/change mirrors for the debian repositories? |
| 05:05.33 | somiaj | s3a: that could be it. I'd ask someone else, I don't use gnome. |
| 05:07.28 | cwg | There's a secondary server just down the road - kambing.ui.ac.id - but not sure what to do with that. |
| 05:08.03 | somiaj | cwg: modify /etc/apt/sources.list -- apt-get update |
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| 05:10.39 | cwg | somiaj, thanks - should I only have one mirror in there? I.e. comment out the line "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib"? |
| 05:11.09 | somiaj | cwg: you can have multiple mirrors/reps and use pinning to help apt decide betwen them. But yea one main is usually enough |
| 05:12.23 | s3a | cwg, gedit /etc/apt/sources.list as root |
| 05:12.36 | cwg | s3a, got it, thanks |
| 05:12.56 | s3a | o sorry didn't read above |
| 05:12.58 | s3a | and no problem |
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| 05:13.10 | cwg | :) |
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| 05:13.38 | simonlnu | use nano or such. why use some gui (other than the fact you're running it as root...) to edit one file? |
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| 05:14.55 | cwg | somiaj, ok - and if my closest mirror is a secondary mirror (but covers my architecture) then I could just pin that, and it will automatically look to the next server if the secondary mirror doesn't have what it needs, in the right version? |
| 05:15.23 | cwg | simonlnu, is that preference, or is there a danger with using gedit? |
| 05:15.35 | cwg | for config files, I mean |
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| 05:15.55 | simonlnu | !run stuff as root |
| 05:15.55 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <root x><sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
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| 05:16.26 | simonlnu | safer to run a smaller binary - less code to puke on you. |
| 05:17.21 | s3a | somiaj, ok i filed the report, thanks, i'm going to sleep now |
| 05:18.12 | cwg | simonlnu, I'm afraid that "export..." explanation is beyond me... but I get the point about puking :) |
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| 05:20.59 | cwg | how do I use pinning for repo mirrors? |
| 05:21.29 | simonlnu | !pinning |
| 05:21.29 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 05:25.22 | chelz | anyone know of something as simple as ssmtp but for receiving mail? |
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| 05:29.31 | cwg | simonlnu, thanks. Re "which version of a package to install" - I see that in Synaptic, Settings > Preferences > Distribution has an option to "Always prefer the highest version" (selected in mine). Is that relevant to choosing between different versions on different mirrors? |
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| 05:36.24 | cwg | ok, working out pinning... (reading http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences ) - this is useful |
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| 05:42.10 | cwg | ok, still confused... looks to me like pinning is for stable vs testing vs unstable - can't see how to use it for servers... |
| 05:43.12 | cwg | I might just go with one near-ish primary server for now (i.e. about 5000 km away instead of 20,000 km away). |
| 05:43.29 | cwg | s/server/mirror |
| 05:43.41 | cwg | ...and try the secondary mirror once I'm more sure of what I'm doing. |
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| 05:59.02 | MeglaW | vi behöver verkligen en blashthrow/komma åt burkar bakom massa nat och firewalls setups, jag och xor diskutera igår.. sån mer som e på? |
| 05:59.10 | MeglaW | oops wrong channel |
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| 06:05.17 | kfogel | I installed Debian GNU/Linux (amd64) via netinst with a USB drive boot installer. During the install, I left the USB key plugged in; when the install process got to the "install GRUB" stage, I accepted its defaults, and then watched in disappointment as it installed grub to the MBR of the *USB drive* (/dev/sda1, apparently) instead of to the laptop's hard drive (which was /dev/sdc1 or something like that). I saw the USB key's LED light fl |
| 06:05.18 | kfogel | ash, so I knew grub had gone there. And later when I rebooted the laptop (without the USB key in it), it was, of course, unable to boot itself. |
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| 06:05.47 | kfogel | I can boot up with the USB key plugged in, but what do I do to install grub to the laptop hard drive's MBR? |
| 06:06.34 | kfogel | Right now I'm at the boot prompt, and can choose between standard boot vs recovery-mode boot (both linux-2.6.32-5-amd64). |
| 06:07.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | kfogel: boot into the os, unmount and remove the usb stick, then reinstall grub |
| 06:08.05 | kfogel | Kamping_Kaiser: as in, just 'apt-get update && apt-get install grub' ? |
| 06:08.20 | kfogel | Kamping_Kaiser: well, s/apt-get/aptitude/, but you get the idea |
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| 06:09.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: fixmbr |
| 06:09.48 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 06:10.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | kfogel: ^^ |
| 06:10.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | gl with it |
| 06:10.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk again |
| 06:10.15 | kfogel | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks! |
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| 06:15.18 | holycow | hmmm |
| 06:15.42 | holycow | does anyone know if it might be possible to enter 'blank' lines between commands being run in bash? |
| 06:16.23 | holycow | it would be nice to see a command sequence executed, something returned with a blank line or two separating it for paragraph style visualization |
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| 06:20.34 | kfogel | holycow: try echo "" |
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| 06:21.38 | holycow | *nod* i meant to change the default behavoiour in the terminal it self rather than my script |
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| 06:21.55 | holycow | err .. 'of the terminal' rather |
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| 06:23.15 | Arrick | hey all, can someone help me figure out why my apache2 server will not start on my debian squeeze server? |
| 06:23.24 | Arrick | (I'm a newb with debian) |
| 06:24.16 | Arrick | I followed the tutorial at http://library.linode.com/web-servers/apache/installation/debian-6-squeeze and the default works, but when I go to make new virtual hosts it wont start up the apache2 server again |
| 06:24.35 | sepdau | sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 06:24.36 | sepdau | sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 06:24.36 | sepdau | or |
| 06:24.36 | sepdau | sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
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| 06:25.49 | digger_1967 | Arrick, from a terminal try : sudo service apache2 restart |
| 06:25.51 | oldirty | Arrick, paste the output of 'tail /var/log/apache2/error.log' to paste.debian.net |
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| 06:27.17 | Arrick | I think I saw the answer when I ran that oldirty one sec |
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| 06:29.05 | oldirty | darn crazy logs... who needs 'em :P |
| 06:29.33 | digger_1967 | Actually I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good monitor for a machine with a lot of processors, I've tried gkrellm but I can't get it to display all of them |
| 06:30.01 | Arrick | lol, I had a type in the conf file |
| 06:30.03 | trumpets9000 | how many processors? |
| 06:30.11 | digger_1967 | 16 |
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| 06:30.34 | trumpets9000 | probably talking about cores and not sockets right? |
| 06:30.46 | digger_1967 | gkrellm sees them all, but there are too many for it to display on the screen |
| 06:30.51 | digger_1967 | Correct, 16 cores |
| 06:30.55 | digger_1967 | 8 Sockets |
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| 06:31.20 | trumpets9000 | that is quite a lot of sockets |
| 06:31.27 | oldirty | agreed. |
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| 06:32.25 | trumpets9000 | what processors are they? |
| 06:32.29 | Arrick | thanks |
| 06:32.32 | digger_1967 | It's an IBM 445 Xseries with 8 x 2.8 ghz processors - Xeon MP's |
| 06:32.43 | Arrick | hey, does apache support dwt master pages? |
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| 06:34.51 | oldirty | what exactly does a dwt master page do? |
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| 06:35.18 | holycow | if anyone is curious, the following adds a newline for your prompt: PS1="\n$PS1" ... make sure to prepend the \n$PS1 to whatever your current $PS1 value is |
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| 06:35.56 | digger_1967 | Any thoughts trumpets9000? If I can't find something I think I'm going to wind up having to go with conky |
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| 06:37.11 | Arrick | thanks for the help guys. |
| 06:37.14 | oldirty | Arrick, never mind, i found it. You might want to check out mod_mono for apache. |
| 06:37.25 | Arrick | ok, thanks. |
| 06:37.38 | oldirty | Arrick, I didn't see any mention of DWT support on a cursory glance, but that doesn't mean much. |
| 06:37.42 | Arrick | lol, I hadnt seen your question. |
| 06:38.16 | Arrick | yeah, I think its a windows iis server specific, but I can change my site to be able to do what I want, so thanks, I'll look into mod-mono though. |
| 06:38.22 | Arrick | have a good night. |
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| 06:38.43 | trumpets9000 | there must be a way to fit them all on the screen with gkrellm |
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| 06:39.14 | oldirty | get a bigger screen |
| 06:39.17 | oldirty | :D |
| 06:39.19 | trumpets9000 | lol |
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| 06:39.29 | trumpets9000 | QUADRUPLE MONITORS |
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| 06:40.04 | Gump | #debian, is there any benefit to using the 64bit flashplayer beta from adobes website over using an i386 version? |
| 06:40.31 | Gump | i'm getting some glitches with it and wondering if it's got any benefit worth tryng to get it working |
| 06:40.58 | sepdau | i using 1 cd to install debian it is ok ? |
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| 06:41.19 | sepdau | because i dont need all package |
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| 06:41.36 | ompaul | sepdau: not a problem |
| 06:41.42 | cwg | is "Reload" in Synaptic the same as "sudo apt-get update"? Or does it relate to Synaptic's own operation? |
| 06:42.00 | ompaul | sepdau: use netinstall cd it installs even less |
| 06:42.10 | sepdau | netinstall |
| 06:42.41 | sepdau | it mean i can be choose what i want to install |
| 06:43.14 | ompaul | cwg: yes (never ask a question with or in it ;) ) it is not sudo but aptitude update or apt-get update |
| 06:43.25 | ompaul | sepdau: that is the idea |
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| 06:43.37 | sepdau | thank :) |
| 06:43.58 | ompaul | sepdau: net install if a computer has a network connection and it will give you a lot of control over what you install |
| 06:43.59 | sepdau | but i worry about ati driver |
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| 06:44.23 | ompaul | sepdau: "worry" you do that much later after you install |
| 06:44.27 | ompaul | !ati |
| 06:44.27 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 06:44.36 | cwg | ompaul: thanks - and good point about questions with "or" :) |
| 06:44.44 | sepdau | thank |
| 06:44.51 | sepdau | but it is my problem |
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| 06:48.14 | cwg | I'm running apt-get update at the same time as downloading some packages in Synaptic (will restart when update finishes)... not aware of any conflicts so far... I'm being impatient because it's a slow connection here, and 10 hours left to make use of my monthly plan :). If I'm doing something unwise, please tell me :) |
| 06:49.07 | ompaul | cwg: you can only do it from one location so hold onto your impatience |
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| 06:49.53 | ompaul | cwg: apt-get or synaptic either or |
| 06:50.12 | ompaul | after the update one of them can do the installing of packages |
| 06:50.33 | ompaul | I personally have used the command line for years the gui has me missing things but that's my brain |
| 06:50.51 | cwg | ompaul - can only download from one mirror? I wondered about that. Some people have sources.list files with lots of servers... does it just skip to the next one if one server fails? |
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| 06:51.48 | simonlnu | no, not that: download can happen from several sources. you can run one instance at a time. what you're doing can cause problems. |
| 06:52.04 | ompaul | cwg: you can only use one downloading program at a time |
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| 06:52.16 | ompaul | cwg: all else is madness |
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| 06:52.58 | ompaul | cwg: also stick to debian core and ask before you chose packages from some guy with a domain called ihackyou.com or something |
| 06:53.09 | simonlnu | seriously |
| 06:53.16 | in2tactics | except it's never that subtle |
| 06:53.19 | cwg | ok - I'd guessed it might conflict, but it didn't give me the usual error (like if I try apt-get install while I've still got synaptic window open) |
| 06:53.24 | ompaul | cwg: and if you are told it is a bad idea seriously don't touch it |
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| 06:53.46 | ompaul | cwg: don't do it and if you break it you can keep all the pieces |
| 06:53.58 | ompaul | cwg: in fact if you break it reinstall and start again |
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| 06:55.27 | cwg | I'm trying apt-spy and netselect-apt (both work) to find fast servers, and they seem to get their server info from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 06:56.22 | ompaul | cwg: oh just let it work |
| 06:56.33 | ompaul | cwg: all your smarts will be done over by the internet itself |
| 06:56.33 | cwg | I would indeed be wary of random suggestions |
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| 06:57.41 | ompaul | cwg: it is well understood pick a platform near you, if it is not fast pick another one near you, mirrors are useful, and let it work, you spend an hour or two faffing about trying to make it faster and you'd be finished already |
| 06:57.53 | cwg | ompaul: given that I'm in a slow part of the web, and downloading from my default sources was ranging from about 230 B/s to 9 kB/s, just letting it work wasn't much fun. :) |
| 06:58.31 | cwg | that farting about wasn't hard... it's just the sources.list I'm not quite used to. |
| 06:58.33 | ompaul | cwg: then get someone to get you the disks - cheap as whatever delivered to your door |
| 06:58.55 | cwg | I think it's fixed now - even easier :) |
| 06:59.03 | ompaul | so let it run |
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| 06:59.09 | cwg | hitting the giddy speed of 14 kB/s |
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| 06:59.42 | ompaul | heads off to do a day of getting paid for running apt-get and playing with a network |
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| 07:36.59 | Athas | What's the current state of drivers for Nvidia graphics cards on GNU/Linux? The laptop I'm looking to buy has a 2GB NVIDIA Quadro 1000M. |
| 07:37.19 | Athas | They used to be well supported (in 2003), albeit with a nonfree driver, but I've been out of the loop. :-) |
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| 07:41.32 | deeLer | Athas: can't tell the exact version, but I can give you some advice to install the latest driver: use sgfxi |
| 07:41.47 | deeLer | great script for automated installation of nvidia driver |
| 07:41.49 | digger_1967 | Nvidia probably has the best support on linux, ATI not quite as much |
| 07:42.07 | Athas | digger_1967: oh good, that was the case back in the day as well. |
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| 07:42.28 | Athas | I've been using an Ati-equipped laptop for the past four years, and it has been... tolerable. |
| 07:42.54 | Athas | Do the Nvidia drivers support RandR? |
| 07:42.57 | digger_1967 | Well, ATI support isn't non-existent, but all in all Nvidia I think has much better support for linux |
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| 07:44.06 | chelz | Athas: could check the nvidia forums. they're good with that stuff |
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| 07:44.22 | chelz | but yeah nvidia proprietary driver is very nice. as long as stuff works heh |
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| 07:52.14 | nevyn | no it's not. |
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| 07:53.18 | nevyn | do not use crazy scripts for installing the nvidia proprietary drivers if you really must install them. |
| 07:53.22 | nevyn | !nvidia |
| 07:53.22 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 08:35.17 | Gump | #debian, is there a stable 64bit flashplayer for linux right now? the new beta from adobe is unstable, and gnash is unstable |
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| 08:41.14 | riz|work | Gump: this version is in stable 1:2.8.2 0 900 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/contrib i386 Packages |
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| 08:41.46 | Gump | i'm looking for a stable amd64 bit version |
| 08:41.54 | Gump | "square" isn't stable |
| 08:42.21 | riz|work | doh, im on 32 bit atm |
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| 08:42.37 | Gump | i'm thinking about ditching this 32bit browser |
| 08:42.42 | Gump | *64bit |
| 08:43.02 | Gump | do you know of any pros or cons to switching to a 32bit chrome? |
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| 08:43.34 | riz|work | none as far as i use it. Got 64x on home PC |
| 08:43.52 | riz|work | never notice any different from 32 |
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| 08:44.20 | Gump | so, correct me if i'm wrong, but chrome 32 bit should run fine on a debian 64bit system, right? |
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| 08:45.12 | nkuttler | Gump: flash works just fine for me fwiw |
| 08:45.18 | nkuttler | on amd64 |
| 08:45.29 | Gump | nkuttler, what are you using? square? gnash? |
| 08:45.40 | nkuttler | adobe's |
| 08:45.46 | Gump | is your browser 64bit? |
| 08:45.49 | nkuttler | sure |
| 08:45.56 | Gump | huh. |
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| 08:46.07 | Gump | odd. i've been having consistent problems with it |
| 08:46.18 | Gump | it is in beta though, so it could just be it doesn't like my hardware |
| 08:46.34 | babilen | no problems here as well -- what kind of problems are you seeing, what is your browser and flash version? |
| 08:46.53 | riz|work | Gump - ATI video card? |
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| 08:47.02 | Gump | browser is google-chrome-stable, 64bit version. riz|work...yes |
| 08:47.16 | Gump | holy s*** is it my graphics card |
| 08:47.20 | Gump | storms off cursing |
| 08:47.29 | riz|work | Gump: turn off hardware support for fullscreen video |
| 08:47.51 | Gump | riz|work, the problems manifest when it's not fullscreen as well |
| 08:47.55 | babilen | And make sure you have the latest flashplugin version installed (update-flashplugin --install --verbose) |
| 08:48.07 | Gump | basically, when a flash movie plays, the whole browser becomes unstable and runs at like 1 fps |
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| 08:48.39 | babilen | Gump: Reproducible with iceweasel/chromium too? Do you have the latest flash version installed? |
| 08:49.04 | Gump | babilen, i installed flashplugin-nonfree from the repository. seems there is only a i386 version there. so i downloaded the newest beta from the google website |
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| 08:49.22 | Gump | babilen, iceweasel doesn't work at all without gnash |
| 08:49.36 | babilen | Do you have the latest flash version installed? |
| 08:49.50 | riz|work | Gump: try using ATI drivers from ATI site + turn off hardware acceleration in flash options, hope you have fast CPU |
| 08:49.51 | Gump | yes. i downloaded the tar.gz manually and put it in my plugins folder |
| 08:50.01 | babilen | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:50.02 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 08:50.09 | babilen | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 08:50.11 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 08:50.48 | Gump | judd, so theoretically, if i was to enter "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" it would install the amd64 version automatically? |
| 08:50.49 | babilen | The package is available for amd64 too, but having that package says nothing about the flash version that is installed, so: Do you have the latest version installed? |
| 08:51.03 | Gump | 10.2. yes |
| 08:51.09 | babilen | Gump: Yes, sure. Where did you got your flashplugin from? |
| 08:51.27 | babilen | Flash - Version: 10.3.162 is the latest AFAICT |
| 08:51.31 | Gump | the adobe website. it's the only 64bit version they had, a beta called "square" |
| 08:51.48 | babilen | *shrug* no idea and definitely not supported by Debian |
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| 08:51.59 | Gump | ...ok. where should i get the latest version? |
| 08:52.09 | Gump | flashplugin-nonfree does not work |
| 08:52.13 | babilen | why? |
| 08:52.15 | nkuttler | Gump: yes it does |
| 08:52.20 | babilen | and ^^^ |
| 08:52.39 | Gump | it's currently installed on my system, and when i browse to a flash video in iceweasel, it says please install flash plugin |
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| 08:53.32 | babilen | Gump: So, remove your third-party install and run "update-flashplugin --install --verbose" and check "about:plugins" in iceweasel |
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| 08:55.04 | Gump | bash: update-flashplugin command not found |
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| 08:56.14 | babilen | ah, update-flashplugin-nonfree :-\ |
| 08:56.24 | babilen | (tab completion ftw) |
| 08:56.39 | babilen | gets coffee |
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| 08:58.33 | babilen | hmm, people.d.o seems down |
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| 09:00.46 | babilen | (just me apparently) |
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| 09:01.36 | Gump | well, that got flashplugin-nonfree working in iceweasel. still same performance problems. guess it must be graphics drivers |
| 09:02.30 | Quimoniz | hello, I am looking for a guide/manual/howto on programming server applications with C on debian, can someone give me an advice/url/RTFM reference? |
| 09:05.34 | bla | Quimoniz, don't search 'on debian', but more relaxed 'on/with linux' or 'with gnu tools' or something like that |
| 09:06.14 | bla | Quimoniz, There was old, but maybe not outdated manual about linux programming; including sockets. There was other 'programming linux games' which included sockets. |
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| 09:06.42 | bla | Quimoniz, all on a low-level C which is suitable for server applications. Still. Why not write it in Python? :) |
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| 09:06.54 | Quimoniz | ty, do you by chance remember the title of the first? |
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| 09:07.36 | Quimoniz | it's for a HTTP web service, I want to program according to rfc 2616, with some ajax junk, and I dont want to use bloated stuff |
| 09:07.37 | bla | It might have been this http://www.advancedlinuxprogramming.com/ |
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| 09:08.29 | bla | If you want to have a job done coding it with python + twisted (network framework) which already includes HTTP protocol would be a better option |
| 09:08.42 | bla | But do as you please. I've written http servers for fun some years ago. |
| 09:08.54 | bla | One in bash. So it's not bad idea for learning. |
| 09:09.03 | ajikeshi | nice |
| 09:09.18 | ajikeshi | ya its a good practice if you just use RFC for referenc |
| 09:09.19 | ajikeshi | e |
| 09:10.12 | Quimoniz | allright :D I could do it with gly PHP, or java, but I hate the coding style there, and it performs bad |
| 09:11.23 | Quimoniz | ty for the advice |
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| 09:17.56 | maddoc | Is there some good (and easy) way to log all commands entered by a user on a system? Pam_tty_audit looks interesting, but doesn't seem to be included in libpam-modules. |
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| 09:20.24 | bla | Check ssh modules/options. To have this work regardless of what user is doing I guess you'd need a transparent ssh 'man-in-the-middle' recording the session. Otherwise user might hack you computer, disable logging and remove logs. |
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| 09:20.31 | bla | But I'm oversensitive, don't pay attention. |
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| 09:24.55 | fossala | I have multiple debian PC's with shared /home thats located on my OpenBSD server. Is there a way to update the all at once? |
| 09:25.16 | bla | cluster ssh? |
| 09:25.32 | chelz | puppet or something similar could be setup |
| 09:26.32 | fossala | chelz: looks like it would do the job. Thanks. |
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| 09:30.21 | Abddu | I'm on squeeze AMD64, I got a problem with copying files to USB devices, which is ridiculously slow and gets slower with time, down to 40kbps (with devices capable of taking 2MBps). After a few days of googling nothing solved. Need help. Where to look for solution? |
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| 09:37.03 | boudiccas | my root crontab has a line of .. 0 6,12,18,21 * * * /home/boztu/cron/backup.sh. and backup.sh has only one line... /usr/bin/rsync -av /home/boztu/ /media/disk/`date +%Y%m%d`/>>/home/boztu/cron/backup.txt .. why doesnt it run please? |
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| 09:37.51 | kfx_daddy | dewwbian |
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| 09:39.18 | jelly | maddoc: if the user runs a script, should the commands forked & execed in the script be logged as well? |
| 09:39.33 | chelz | Abddu: what do you use to copy? |
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| 09:40.01 | Abddu | chelz: command line cp/mv, dolphin (KDE), mc F5, any method fails miserably. |
| 09:41.18 | chelz | Abddu: you've tried multiple usb devices? |
| 09:42.05 | tvm | boudiccas: is the script executable ? is there #! ? |
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| 09:42.23 | crystalblue666 | www.xxxlivecam.info |
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| 09:43.04 | boudiccas | tvm; yes the script is executable but there is no #! at the beginnign of the script |
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| 09:44.09 | chelz | mornin rgr |
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| 09:46.48 | maddoc | jelly: Yeah. Every process executed on the tty / by the shell. |
| 09:48.07 | Abddu | chelz: Yes. 2 pendrives and 1 mp4 player. Reformatted one of them from scratch, changing filesystem fromFAT32 to NTFS, with little improvement. |
| 09:48.15 | simonlnu | boudiccas: um yeh. well, you need a hashbang so the kernel knows to run it. |
| 09:48.21 | kfx_daddy | archlinux exists |
| 09:48.30 | kfx_daddy | so drop debian and switch today |
| 09:48.32 | kfx_daddy | :) |
| 09:48.38 | simonlnu | !ops kfx_daddy |
| 09:48.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonlnu complains about: kfx_daddy |
| 09:48.39 | kfx_daddy | I did 5 year ago |
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| 09:48.45 | kfx_daddy | :) |
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| 09:49.00 | kfx_daddy | I did hear ebay was all debian |
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| 09:49.26 | Abddu | chelz: The problem occured suddenly, only recently - up to 3 days ago all went smooth and fast, with any device. From a certain point this changed. I fail to see why, as I don't recall any changes to my system that would influence it (in fact I reverted most changes I made recently in effort to fix it, no joy). |
| 09:49.34 | jelly | maddoc: that means you really want to track clone() and execve() syscalls, and filter depending on whether their fd0/1 is a tty or not, I guess |
| 09:49.40 | chelz | Abddu: anything clear in the logs? |
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| 09:50.05 | egoleo | hello |
| 09:50.17 | jelly | maddoc: (I'm saying clone() because Linux fork() is really a specialized form of clone() these days afaict) |
| 09:50.18 | Abddu | No, devices mount smoothly upon plugging, no error messages (checked /var/log.messages). |
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| 09:50.25 | egoleo | which postgres version comes with debian 6 plse? |
| 09:50.26 | Abddu | chelz: above ^ |
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| 09:50.39 | kfx_daddy | probly 8.4 |
| 09:50.40 | kfx_daddy | lol |
| 09:50.47 | kfx_daddy | www.prevayler.org |
| 09:50.52 | kfx_daddy | drop sql dbs |
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| 09:51.03 | chelz | Abddu: when you're trying to copy stuff does anything come up in dmesg or syslog? |
| 09:51.05 | egoleo | oh ok cool |
| 09:52.28 | boudiccas | simonlnu; i've now put it in so we'll see if it runs at 1200 |
| 09:52.37 | Gump | #debian, i'm not finding anyone who has replicated my problem. flash player is updated to the lastest version, and it stutters uncontrollably, locking up the browser it plays in. it's reproducible in iceweasel and chrome. what could be causing this? |
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| 09:52.43 | Abddu | chelz: dmesg - didn't check those, do you mean: /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/syslog ? |
| 09:52.48 | maddoc | jelly: Yeah. You should be able to do that with auditd, right? |
| 09:53.01 | chelz | Abddu: yeah those work. the command dmesg | less also |
| 09:53.39 | jelly | maddoc: alas, I have no idea what that tool does |
| 09:53.43 | Abddu | chelz: checking now, tailing for any misty messages. Do you wish to have them pastbined, or only should I report anything unordinary? |
| 09:53.50 | maddoc | jelly: But the pam_tty_audit seems to be a easier way to set it up. But I guess creating my own package with it might be a hassle. |
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| 09:53.54 | maddoc | jelly: Ah, ok. |
| 09:54.01 | maddoc | jelly: What would you use, then? |
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| 09:54.25 | simonlnu | boudiccas: made it executable too ? |
| 09:55.03 | jelly | maddoc: er, not using anything similar, haven't done any research, sorry |
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| 09:55.24 | boudiccas | simonlnu; yes |
| 09:55.37 | simonlnu | ok |
| 09:55.57 | chelz | Abddu: yeah only unordinary stuff |
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| 09:56.17 | maddoc | jelly: I see. Well, thanks for the input anyway. :-) |
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| 09:58.28 | Seth_Hikaru | I want to connect to my linux box, should I use nfs or samba? |
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| 09:59.04 | ajikeshi | Seth_Hikaru, connect with whatà |
| 09:59.18 | Seth_Hikaru | Oh, windows. |
| 09:59.21 | zappal | Seth_Hikaru: your os fpr connecting? |
| 09:59.47 | zappal | Seth_Hikaru: samba |
| 09:59.55 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay, thanks. |
| 09:59.57 | timo | samba would be far easier to setup on windows side |
| 10:00.11 | Seth_Hikaru | Can you run samba through the map network drive? |
| 10:00.20 | ajikeshi | and depends on what features you need |
| 10:00.40 | Seth_Hikaru | Just some storage off my windows box. |
| 10:00.41 | timo | Seth_Hikaru: yes, you can map samba shares as drives on windows |
| 10:00.52 | Seth_Hikaru | Okay. |
| 10:00.56 | Seth_Hikaru | All I have to ask. |
| 10:01.01 | Seth_Hikaru | Not going to be doing it for a while. |
| 10:01.09 | Seth_Hikaru | Thanks. |
| 10:01.23 | simonlnu | there's a #samba channel on this network too |
| 10:01.23 | ajikeshi | timo, you should be able to do that with nfs too |
| 10:01.51 | Abddu | chelz: nothing upon mounting in dmesg, syslog reports a lot, but only normal stuff. Copying goes normally with no messages now, speed drops down as time passes (which is the problem I'm trying to solve), down to 1MBps now. |
| 10:01.55 | ajikeshi | you can even customize windows to something resembling the unixoid file "order" |
| 10:02.07 | timo | ajikeshi: true. you just need to install the unix support package (or something like that) |
| 10:02.59 | ajikeshi | ya |
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| 10:04.25 | timo | I use samba, because my router can mount it |
| 10:04.35 | ajikeshi | odd reason |
| 10:04.36 | zappal | ajikeshi: perhaps Seth_Hikaru will use a pdc, netlogon ... then samba will be the right choice |
| 10:04.44 | ajikeshi | ya |
| 10:04.51 | ajikeshi | many point to take into accont |
| 10:04.52 | fossala | #grub |
| 10:04.55 | chelz | Abddu: well you could try copying from a livecd or resize your current partition, make a new partition, and install debian there then try copying to test if debian is the reason the stuff is slow |
| 10:04.57 | fossala | sorry |
| 10:05.15 | chelz | Abddu: if it is debian, i encourage you to track down the issue and file a bug |
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| 10:06.06 | Seth_Hikaru | timo: What is the model of your router? |
| 10:06.48 | timo | Seth_Hikaru: it's some basic Netgear router, with 3rd party (TomatoVPN) firmware |
| 10:07.01 | Seth_Hikaru | I see. |
| 10:07.12 | Seth_Hikaru | Running a WNR2000v3 myself. |
| 10:07.41 | Seth_Hikaru | It was built with OPen WRT kamikaze stock. |
| 10:07.54 | Seth_Hikaru | Not hackable yet but I want to make my own image and flash it. |
| 10:08.09 | Seth_Hikaru | Too scared to risk bricking it. |
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| 10:11.01 | timo | my router's internal flash drive is so small (2 MB), that I need to use Samba to store bandwidth data and other stuff |
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| 10:11.50 | ajikeshi | does it have an usb host controller? |
| 10:12.51 | ajikeshi | if yes... there are chances that theres an unused "usb-slot" and you can solder an sd-cardcontroller on it :D |
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| 10:13.54 | timo | ajikeshi: no, it doesn't |
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| 10:14.52 | timo | though I'm looking to buy a newer one with more memory, gigabit eth, wireless N and has to be TomatoVPN compatible |
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| 10:21.32 | Abddu | chelz: Actually a good idea. I didn't think of that. I suppose a virtual system wouldn't work? :D |
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| 10:23.33 | fossala | Can grub2 have / on nfs? |
| 10:26.01 | thewanderer1 | fossala: GRUB2 doesn't give a crap as long as it reads the kernel and initramfs locally |
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| 10:27.30 | fossala | thewanderer1:Thank you. |
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| 10:28.58 | thewanderer1 | (you should probably use PXE for NFS booting, then you can eliminate local storage altogether...) |
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| 10:33.50 | fossala | thewanderer1:Not all the motherboards support PXE |
| 10:34.02 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I know |
| 10:34.36 | babilen | A NIC that does shouldn't be that hard to find or be that expensive (depends on the needs if its worth it) |
| 10:34.45 | thewanderer1 | try coreboot - it might fill in the hole |
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| 10:35.47 | thewanderer1 | so there's this package I want to take over, but it's not listed anywhere in wnpp... what should I do to become a maintainer? it's still in lenny, and some remaints are in [ debports ] for exotic architectures |
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| 10:36.40 | thewanderer1 | phased out from Squeeze/Wheezy/Sid though - would like to reupload that to Sid |
| 10:36.53 | fossala | Acctully It looks like both types of boards I have support pxe. Will have to look into it |
| 10:37.29 | Multiply | What is the best way to sync two directories, using rsync? Basicly I just want all files and directories from folder1, to be copied into folder2, but not overwriting files that hasn't been changed. |
| 10:37.51 | xand | that is what rsync does |
| 10:38.08 | xand | e.g. rsync -a dir1/ dir2/ |
| 10:38.09 | babilen | thewanderer1: I would take it to #debian-mentors (OFTC) -- You probably need to do the packaging for faubackup and find a sponsor who is willing to upload it. Why was it removed? |
| 10:38.24 | Multiply | xand, shouldn't it show which files get moved then? |
| 10:38.30 | Multiply | There's no output whatsoever. |
| 10:38.38 | xand | Multiply: with -v it will |
| 10:39.36 | thewanderer1 | babilen: there weren't releases upstream and its upstream programmer was also the Debian package maintainer who resigned from looking after it |
| 10:39.57 | Multiply | Alright, thanks xand. I was doing it right then. Just forgot the -v. :) |
| 10:39.59 | babilen | thewanderer1: Is the upstream alive again or are you planning to take over its development too? |
| 10:40.26 | thewanderer1 | babilen: I'd gladly take over development, although I'm not yet clear on the "direction" and the bug page is empty :P |
| 10:41.54 | babilen | thewanderer1: Ok, discuss it in #d-mentors, not entirely sure what needs to be done but it likely has to go through NEW again and an upstream that is alive would be good. You might have to justify why it should be included again (i.e. what does it offer that other backup packages don't offer / why should Debian care?) |
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| 10:42.26 | Multiply | When I try to install something thru apt-get, (after apt-get update), it spams with alot lines, "insserver: ....", and in the end "error code (1)" - Can I check which package is doing that? "1 not fully installed or removed." |
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| 10:43.29 | babilen | Multiply: Show us, I guess that it is due to removed but not purged packages that leave init scripts around -- Run "aptitude search '~c'" to find those. If you don't mind removing their configuration files run "aptitude purge '~c'" |
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| 10:44.10 | babilen | But show us the complete output along with information on your Debian system and the policy for the packages in question -- /msg dpkg bat |
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| 10:44.11 | Multiply | babilen, nothing was returned from running that. |
| 10:44.17 | Multiply | Just a sec. |
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| 10:51.04 | bencc | can I run a command as a user that has his shell set to /bin/false in /etc/passwd? |
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| 10:53.44 | Multiply | babilen, I know htop is already installed: http://paste.debian.net/118376/ |
| 10:53.52 | Multiply | But here's what happens, nomatter what I do :P |
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| 10:54.25 | Multiply | It happened after install rsync, btw. |
| 10:54.30 | Multiply | Haven't seen it before that. |
| 10:54.35 | digdilem_ | oh my, not seen that before |
| 10:54.52 | babilen | Multiply: What is this obscheduler? Looks as if its init script is buggy -- /msg dpkg missing lsb tags |
| 10:55.26 | babilen | I guess removing this obmscheduler package will fix the immediate problem. |
| 10:55.35 | thewanderer1 | ,file obmscheduler |
| 10:55.39 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 10:55.45 | thewanderer1 | probably outside Debian |
| 10:55.57 | babilen | yeah, it is some Oracle something |
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| 10:57.02 | babilen | (with buggy packaging) -- I guess that Multiply has to either take it up with upstream (you *do* have a nice support contract don't you? (I know, they don't support Debian)) or fix the init script {him,her}self |
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| 10:57.18 | Multiply | It's a backup service. I guess adding the stuff to the init scripts deal with it. |
| 10:57.25 | Multiply | Didn't know it would cause any trouble :) |
| 10:58.12 | MarkG234 | Debian made a total dogs dinner of trying to upgrade my Dovecot V1.x config to V2.x |
| 10:58.18 | digdilem_ | bah. zoneminder won't install either now due to the perl 5.12 upgrade. this is the second package that's broken in squeeze that I wanted to run :/ |
| 10:58.20 | babilen | ah, google autocorrect got me (/me was shown results for dbms_scheduler ) |
| 10:58.41 | babilen | !tell digdilem_ -about sid |
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| 10:58.47 | thewanderer1 | MarkG234: and you do have backups, don't you? :P |
| 10:59.02 | babilen | digdilem_: You should not have any problem with perl 5.12 at all in Squeeze |
| 10:59.23 | MarkG234 | of course, but I am trying to manually update my config from the default now, rather than going backwards. |
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| 10:59.43 | digdilem_ | babilen, i apt-get upgraded using squeeze reps a couple of weeks ago which upgraded perl to 5.12, and that has broken these two things |
| 11:00.01 | digdilem_ | perl 5.12 drops support for perl-suid and libdevice-serialport-perl |
| 11:00.01 | Multiply | babilen, after fixing said init scripts, is there a way to 'reload' them? |
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| 11:00.21 | babilen | Multiply: You probably just want to run "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 11:00.57 | babilen | digdilem_: May I see the output of "apt-cache policy perl" please? |
| 11:01.15 | Multiply | babilen, thanks. It fixed all the problems. :) |
| 11:01.38 | babilen | Multiply: Wonderful, you did it! |
| 11:01.54 | digdilem_ | babilen, http://pastebin.com/BNW6S8hX |
| 11:02.20 | babilen | digdilem_: Please use a different pastebin, I am not in the mood for captchas (paste.debian.net) |
| 11:03.01 | digdilem_ | babilen, paste.debian.net |
| 11:03.05 | digdilem_ | http://paste.debian.net/118379/ |
| 11:03.33 | babilen | digdilem_: Well, no idea where you got perl 5.12 from but it is not from squeeze (and will never be) |
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| 11:03.50 | digdilem_ | hmm. |
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| 11:04.28 | digdilem_ | it was certainly in a mass of packages upgraded, I'm wondering now if I did change the sources.list ? |
| 11:04.30 | Abddu | Lazy question: what to aptitude install for an ssh server on my squeeze? |
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| 11:05.25 | zapadlo | Abddu openssh |
| 11:05.33 | riz|work | openssh-server |
| 11:05.45 | babilen | digdilem_: Did you add sid/wheezy sources and upgraded? What does "aptitude search ~o" give you? What about 'apt-show-versions | grep -e "\(/sid\|/wheezy\)"' ? |
| 11:05.48 | riz|work | openssh-client |
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| 11:07.00 | Abddu | zapadlo: riz|work: thank you. :) |
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| 11:07.29 | Abddu | Another question: How do I talk to another user ologged on a system I'm ssh'd right now, through console? |
| 11:07.48 | thewanderer1 | Abddu: write(1) |
| 11:07.54 | bla | Abddu, write / wall / mesg |
| 11:07.57 | digdilem_ | lol babilen, this system is not looking good: apt-show-versions : Depends: libapt-pkg-perl (>= 0.1.21) but it is not going to be installed |
| 11:08.01 | Abddu | thewanderer1: that's what I was looking for, THANKS! |
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| 11:08.45 | babilen | digdilem_: Ok, what about "apt-cache policy" and "aptitude search '~o'" ? |
| 11:08.59 | babilen | digdilem_: And your sources.list :) |
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| 11:10.11 | cyoz | hello guys, I currently have the problem that xchat doesn't remember certain settings after a reboot, does anybody know a fix? |
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| 11:10.25 | digdilem_ | babilen, aptitude search '~o |
| 11:10.30 | digdilem_ | http://paste.debian.net/118381/ |
| 11:10.38 | digdilem_ | sorry, having keyboard issues with cut and paste |
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| 11:11.45 | Abddu | ssh works! thank you guys. I've been struggling with my landowner to let me forward the 22 port for like ever. Now I just used a manufacturer login/password and configured it myself. Finally! :D |
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| 11:12.06 | babilen | digdilem_: Well, it very much looks as if you had wheezy/sid in your sources.list before and upgraded. What does "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" give you? |
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| 11:12.45 | digdilem_ | babilen, ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:13.11 | digdilem_ | it's not impossible I did screw up the sources.list at some point. |
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| 11:14.53 | babilen | digdilem_: Ok, that is not too bad. Not sure what the best way to deal with this problem is. I would just restore from backups and take it from there. If you don't have backups (/me scowls) you *might* be able to downgrade packages to squeeze if you pin squeeze to a priority >= 1001 and run a "aptitude full-upgrade" -- I would, however, start with a "aptitude update" now and install apt-show-versions and run the commands I gave you earlier again |
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| 11:16.38 | babilen | digdilem_: If that installation fails, paste the complete output of that aptitude run (including command) + "apt-cache policy apt-show-versions" |
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| 11:16.49 | Pupeno_ | I'm trying to get rssh with chroot to work and I'm getting this error: rssh_chroot_helper[16503]: chroot() failed, 2: Operation not permitted; any ideas what might be the issue? |
| 11:16.57 | digdilem_ | babilen, ok. Thanks for your help. I will postpone it for now as the server's in use today, i'll pick a quieter time |
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| 11:17.35 | babilen | digdilem_: Ok, note that anything != stable has no place on a server |
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| 11:18.18 | digdilem_ | r, noted |
| 11:18.23 | babilen | digdilem_: You also have some outdated packages (such as inux-image-2.6.22-3-k7) on your system -- You might want to clean up the server and make sure that it is pure Squeeze. |
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| 11:19.15 | babilen | digdilem_: Good luck! |
| 11:19.28 | digdilem_ | :) |
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| 11:20.08 | digdilem_ | tbh, most likely plan is to create a new server with a fresh install and then copy stuff over. there's a lot running on that box and I don't want it breaking |
| 11:20.34 | digdilem_ | i don't backup packages and binaries btw, only /etc /home and /var |
| 11:21.27 | babilen | !tell digdilem_ -about aptitude clone |
| 11:21.58 | digdilem_ | ah, a neater way than dpkg --get-selections / --set-selections? |
| 11:21.59 | babilen | digdilem_: You might want to tweak that list though as you have third-party/removed packages installed. |
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| 11:22.13 | tripolar | hi |
| 11:22.17 | babilen | digdilem_: Yes, it caters for the difference between automatically and manually installed packages |
| 11:22.20 | rypervenche | So if I get this straight, about every two years a snapshot of the packages in testing are worked on and made "stable"? then it's not touched for another two years? While testing and unstable are still updated. Am I correct in saying that? |
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| 11:22.47 | babilen | rypervenche: Not really, stable still gets security updates and fixes for grave bugs |
| 11:22.49 | Rienzilla | more or less |
| 11:22.59 | MarkG234 | Anyone use Dovecot? I have fixed most of my upgrade problems, but still have a SMTP problem. |
| 11:23.07 | babilen | rypervenche: But generally speaking: what Rienzilla said |
| 11:23.24 | tripolar | i installed dnsmasq but the init script is missing when i uninstall densmasq + dnasmasq-base i get |
| 11:23.27 | tripolar | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/dnsmasq not found. |
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| 11:23.34 | tripolar | but i need dnsmasq+the initscript |
| 11:23.38 | MarkG234 | http://pastebin.com/MWknQymU |
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| 11:23.42 | tripolar | how can i force dpkg to reinstall it |
| 11:23.51 | babilen | !tell tripolar -about confmiss |
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| 11:29.34 | gnugr | MarkG234:are incoming and outcoming messages marked as TLS/SSL to get the right port? |
| 11:29.45 | tripolar | babilen: i did UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=true aptitude reinstall dnsmasq , and aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall dnsmasq and with dnsmasq-base too but i still dont have a init.d/dnsmasq file ... |
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| 11:31.33 | fossala | I'm looking keeping my install on the server an booting into it with pxe. There will be 3 computers using it (all amd64). What partitions would not be able to be shared? |
| 11:31.45 | fossala | I guess /var for log files any others? |
| 11:32.16 | fossala | All three PC's need to be able to access it at the same time. |
| 11:33.53 | MarkG234 | gnugr: yes, I think the problem is with the auth default stuff that allows internal dovecot to postfix communications. |
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| 11:40.20 | gnugr | MarkG234: check this http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
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| 11:48.59 | DelTree | why does debian want to install half of gnome when installing synaptic ? :/ |
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| 11:50.04 | jelly | dpkg, tell DelTree about apt-recommends |
| 11:50.09 | jelly | dpkg, tell DelTree about why recommends |
| 11:50.18 | ma3x | hi how do i find . -name *gz* and unpack it in their own directory under the directory tree |
| 11:50.27 | ma3x | (in the same directory as where the file is) |
| 11:50.35 | ma3x | how can i combine this with xargs |
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| 11:53.28 | mrtnt | Write some sort of script or something.. |
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| 11:55.27 | kggle | hey, i want todo a mysqldump but my system partition always gets 100%, the tmp partition ist not used. any idea how to solve this to use the /tmp instead? thanks! |
| 11:56.33 | DelTree | wow... |
| 11:57.17 | DelTree | from 32.2 Mo / 131 Mo... I go to 3686ko / 9638 ko... just with aptitude -R... |
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| 11:57.40 | abrotman | kggle: #mysql might be a better place to ask .. i'm sure the mysqldump man page has an option for an output directory |
| 11:57.58 | kggle | abrotman, thanks |
| 11:58.14 | Abddu | Is proftpd the default/suggested ftp server app? |
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| 12:00.30 | stew | kggle: run it from another host? |
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| 12:00.41 | unicstar | kggle: mysqldump output is console, so it is enough to redirect the output to > /tmp/somefile.sql |
| 12:00.44 | phogg | kggle: are you saying that mysqldump will write data to your system partition during the course of a run, regardless of output location? |
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| 12:01.21 | kggle | thanks guys, was in the wrong tmp dir. wah. monday stoopidness :D |
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| 12:05.53 | nephx | Hello! Just bought a new laptop and am having minor problems with hardware... For example, I can't set the resolution to the maximum value, since it only has 1024x768... Any ideas where I could look for help? |
| 12:05.58 | nephx | Google didn't help much |
| 12:06.39 | digdilem_ | nephx, non-free graphics drivers? |
| 12:07.04 | digdilem_ | nvidia, intel or the other one all need proper drivers to get the good stuff |
| 12:07.09 | nephx | digdilem_, well, I don't know... This laptop has integrated intel graphics card |
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| 12:07.39 | nephx | xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed here |
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| 12:08.41 | rhineheart_m | hello.. wanna ask if there's an available package "`GLIBC_2.11" for debian? thanks |
| 12:09.09 | Bushmills | nephx: try xrandr --newmode ... |
| 12:09.23 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: on which version of Debian ? |
| 12:09.53 | Ticho | rhineheart_m: that's not a package, that's an ELF symbol, provided usually by a glibc package of particular version |
| 12:11.22 | rhineheart_m | 5 |
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| 12:11.40 | rhineheart_m | I see.. thanks Ticho |
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| 12:11.57 | rhineheart_m | so do you have a solution on how to get it to work on 5? |
| 12:12.21 | rhineheart_m | m working on running utorrent server for linux.. |
| 12:12.47 | rhineheart_m | but the problem is I got this error: ./utserver: /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by ./utserver) |
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| 12:13.28 | Ticho | rhineheart_m: that's because debian 5.0 (Lenny) only has glibc 2.7 |
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| 12:13.46 | Ticho | rhineheart_m: and i don't see a newer glibc in backports, so it won't be so easy, methinks |
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| 12:16.33 | rhineheart_m | the latest now is debian 6 right? |
| 12:16.59 | Ticho | yep |
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| 12:17.48 | rhineheart_m | does it have the newer glibc? |
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| 12:22.20 | unicstar | rhineheart_m: have you tried to compile it your self from source code ? |
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| 12:22.38 | rhineheart_m | not yet |
| 12:22.53 | rhineheart_m | my goal is.. to run utorrent as web gui |
| 12:22.53 | nephx | digdilem_, you by any chance know where could I get those drivers? |
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| 12:23.51 | digdilem_ | sorry nephx, no - but googling with your chipset + linux should point you in the right direction] |
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| 12:25.13 | nephx | digdilem_, chipset name will be the random namelike words that lspci gives me? |
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| 12:25.23 | digdilem_ | that's a start, sure |
| 12:25.32 | foobar86 | Hi. Is there any difference between using "aptitutde" or "apt-get" |
| 12:25.40 | foobar86 | If no, which is the standard on Debian? |
| 12:25.51 | Ticho | rhineheart_m: yes, debian 6 has glibc 2.11 in stable branch |
| 12:25.54 | riz|work | aptitute is recommended |
| 12:25.56 | Bushmills | higher resolution than 1024x768 hardly calls for a different driver |
| 12:26.16 | foobar86 | riz|work, aah. Then why does everyone (at least in Ubuntu) seem to use apt-get? |
| 12:26.43 | riz|work | foobar86: it doesn't matter much, but you should choose one and stick by it |
| 12:27.06 | rhineheart_m | wow.. thanks.. go to try// |
| 12:27.10 | Bushmills | foobar86: have you asked those in #ubuntu why they do? |
| 12:27.17 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 12:27.17 | dpkg | well, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude docs> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 12:27.20 | riz|work | foobar86: aptitute is front end for apt-get |
| 12:27.25 | foobar86 | I have moved over to Debian from Ubuntu and kinda seem to have mixed the two. Problems galore then? |
| 12:27.48 | nephx | Bushmills, xrandr was rude to me. He said that I may not change the resolution, since 1024x768 is the maximum for my device |
| 12:28.04 | foobar86 | Ok, will query dpkg. Thanks. |
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| 12:28.24 | Bushmills | nephx: what are the parameters which you used with --newmode? |
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| 12:28.26 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 12:28.46 | nephx | Bushmills, a line generated by the cvt |
| 12:29.04 | Gump | #debian. FFFFFFFFFF. both goddamn flashplugin-nonfree and gnash make my browser become unresponsive, with almost zero cpu usage. wtf. i can't seem to find anyone else duplicating this problem. do i have any other options for playing .swf files? |
| 12:29.22 | Bushmills | well, "a line" sounds good. nothing wrong with that |
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| 12:30.21 | nephx | Bushmills, xrandr --newmode "1368x768_60.00" 85.25 1368 1440 1576 1784 768 771 781 798 -hsync +vsync |
| 12:31.18 | Gump | murders flashplugin-nonfree and gnash. slowly and painfully |
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| 12:31.49 | gypsymauro | I'm trying to use pinning, I've added sid entries in my sources.list and I add a Pin-Priority: 100 to sid packages and a Pin-Priority: 700 to stable packages, but when I do an apt-get dist-upgrade it tries to install packages from sid, why? if i do apt-get -t squeeze dist-upgrade works correctly |
| 12:33.37 | Bushmills | you're sure it's 1368, not 1366? |
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| 12:38.10 | Bushmills | here are some timing parameters of intel graphics controller on a display with similar resolution, if that helps: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1306759075450169155d.png |
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| 12:39.53 | fossala | #ltsp |
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| 12:40.37 | e-anima | i have a server in my lan (100mbit) but if i load a page (cms drupal) its reaction is page load 3 seconds. that can not be on a lan. any ides why taht could be or how i could trace the problem? |
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| 12:43.45 | jelly | e-anima: what happens if you access that same page locally at the server? |
| 12:43.53 | gynter | Hey, is it possible to install testgng from usb mem-stick? |
| 12:44.07 | e-anima | jelly there is now browser installed |
| 12:44.14 | jelly | !installit |
| 12:44.14 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 12:44.26 | e-anima | i try that, gimme a sec to find a shell browser |
| 12:44.29 | gynter | I mean using debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 12:44.31 | jelly | e-anima: links2 or elinks |
| 12:45.05 | babilen | !tell gynter -about usb install |
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| 12:47.09 | unicstar | e-anima: what is ping time to the server? |
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| 12:47.50 | e-anima | maximum 1 ms |
| 12:48.00 | e-anima | jelly teste it, its faster with elinks |
| 12:48.06 | e-anima | 2-3 times faster |
| 12:48.16 | e-anima | "felt" |
| 12:48.21 | unicstar | e-anima: put a single page there ( index.html that says hello ) and see whether you have time problem again |
| 12:48.24 | thewanderer1 | hey, I've got an url like this: http://git.admingilde.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi/tali/faubackup.git - how to clone the source from git now? |
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| 12:48.59 | e-anima | unicstar, nope then its damn fast (i put a single php file there) |
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| 12:49.15 | e-anima | the cms uses mysql maybe thats the problem |
| 12:49.18 | Gump | hey #debian, does anyone know of any irc channels for adobe/flash specific support? |
| 12:49.26 | unicstar | e-anima: so the problem is not lan, you have an issue for that cms, may be database |
| 12:49.33 | abrotman | Gump: programming or using? |
| 12:49.42 | e-anima | Gump i only know some in in quakenet |
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| 12:49.48 | Gump | abrotman, using. i havent programmed in flash for a very long time |
| 12:49.49 | plm_ | Hi all |
| 12:49.55 | gynter | babilen: got the mem stick working, but installer can't load modules due the installer's and ISO kernel's different versions. |
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| 12:50.11 | e-anima | any way, how to check if it is the db? |
| 12:50.36 | babilen | gynter: Did you "cat netinst.iso > /dev/sd?" or how did you create the usb stick? |
| 12:50.37 | gynter | is there an installer for daily-builds ? |
| 12:50.40 | plm_ | people, I would like redirect a ftp connection to a internal server. What is wrong with this cmd line: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -s 200.x.x.x 9020 -j DNAT 192.168.0.53 21 |
| 12:50.47 | gynter | babilen: i used boot.img.tgz |
| 12:50.55 | thewanderer1 | e-anima: enable debugging in the software if possible... if not, you'll have to play with PHP code and write some microtime() pieces to measure performance :P |
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| 12:51.05 | unicstar | plm_: add "--to-destination" after DNAT |
| 12:51.12 | e-anima | ok thx |
| 12:51.37 | gynter | babilen: i'll try to cat the imago to the mem-stick, let's see what happens |
| 12:51.45 | e-anima | i think its the cms itself beeing uncached for development |
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| 12:52.09 | babilen | gynter: Take a look at the installation guide (linked from the <usb install> factoid) |
| 12:52.33 | Arrick | hey, whats the current ftp server of choice for debian/stable/squeeze 6? |
| 12:52.38 | unicstar | plm_: also --dport before 9020 |
| 12:52.40 | gynter | thanks |
| 12:52.43 | e-anima | thx guys |
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| 12:52.58 | babilen | gynter: If you plan to upgrade to wheezy/sid you should be aware of the #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net which is meant for wheezy/sid users. |
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| 12:57.08 | Nephro | Hello! I've just bought a new laptop with a Sandy Bridge chipset... Installed debian and encountered problems with graphics... Went googling, read a lot of bad things about Sandy bridge and linux and wanted to ask, what is debians status on this, when is it planned to start working, or any other hints you can give me on this |
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| 12:58.38 | jelly | Nephro: hm. You could try asking the xorg team in #debian-x on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 12:59.46 | babilen | Nephro: Optimus? |
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| 12:59.57 | Nephro | babilen, what? |
| 12:59.59 | e-anima | Executed 394 queries in 120.33 ms. Queries exceeding 5 ms are highlighted. Page execution time was 1743.39 ms. Memory used at: devel_boot()=2.31 MB, devel_shutdown()=41.93 MB, PHP peak=44.25 MB. |
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| 13:00.14 | babilen | Nephro: do you have an optimus card? (i.e. nvidia + integrated intel) |
| 13:00.21 | e-anima | damn slow. i would gess that a 4gb server with 1 user on it an 4 ghz should respond faste ^^ |
| 13:00.26 | Nephro | babilen, intel gma hd 3000 |
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| 13:01.35 | babilen | Nephro: Ah, ok. Haven't yet had the pleasure of playing with intel hd 3000 cards, it might be that you need a newer kernel/xserver-xorg-video-intel for those to work. Please ask in #debian-x on OFTC as they might know about it. #intel-gfx is probably also not a bad place to ask. |
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| 13:02.13 | unicstar | Nephro: they say that a flaw is discovered in sandy bridge and intel is stopping the line |
| 13:02.23 | babilen | Nephro: I would guess that you need to upgrade to newer versions (probably those in sid) |
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| 13:02.53 | babilen | unicstar: Do you have a link? I was thinking about acquiring new hardware and would be interested. |
| 13:03.06 | unicstar | just googled |
| 13:03.21 | babilen | unicstar: yeah, found some articles already. ta! |
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| 13:04.02 | Arrick | anyone know of a helpdesk type package for debian that is free? |
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| 13:04.37 | Nephro | unicstar> Nephro: they say that a flaw is discovered in sandy bridge and intel is stopping the line -- oh come on |
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| 13:05.28 | Nephro | so it's like I bought a peace of unusable junk? |
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| 13:06.25 | MacGyverNL | I would like to run a program at boot as a certain user, and I figure that adding it to cron @reboot would be sufficient. However, I'm not sure what the correct way to do this would be. |
| 13:06.41 | MacGyverNL | Edit /etc/crontab, or run crontab -e as the user. |
| 13:06.43 | babilen | Nephro: It seems as if only a subset of chipsets/platforms are affected. Look out for recalls from your vendor. |
| 13:07.01 | MacGyverNL | They're different cron solutions, afaict, so what is the "correct" debian-way? |
| 13:07.25 | Multiply | What's the best way to install the php5.2.17 mod for apache, while being on squeeze? |
| 13:07.44 | Multiply | Should I use the lenny package, or just compile from scratch? |
| 13:08.01 | Nephro | babilen, do you have the article that says confirms unicstar's words? |
| 13:08.20 | babilen | Multiply: You should update your software to work with 5.3.* |
| 13:09.10 | babilen | Nephro: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20030070-64.html (inter alia) |
| 13:09.57 | babilen | Multiply: While your developers are fixing this bug you might want to consider to run lenny within a VM |
| 13:10.00 | Multiply | babilen, I 100% agree, yet my boss don't. :P |
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| 13:10.19 | cwg | hello again - having clock setting problems. I use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" but it thinks UTC is now 9:09, i.e. 8 hrs fast. |
| 13:10.40 | cwg | had this problem before, forget how I fixed it :/ |
| 13:10.46 | babilen | Multiply: You have stupid bosses in that case. Even php.net states "This version is no longer supported by PHP.net" |
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| 13:11.54 | babilen | cwg: Might be related to your timezone/UTC settings. Is your hardware clock on UTC? Either set it to UTC and/or fiddle with the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 13:12.55 | cwg | babilen, how do I set it to UTC? (already toggled the UTC setting, didn't change it) |
| 13:13.12 | cwg | how do I set hardware clock on UTC, I mean |
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| 13:13.53 | babilen | cwg: Use "hwclock" (after setting the correct time with "date") -- read "man hwclock" |
| 13:14.19 | babilen | cwg: You are after the "-w" / "--systohc" option |
| 13:14.23 | Smirker_ | please do not throw rocks at me. i've had a debian server set up. there's no windowing/etc, just CLI. would i have any problems installing openoffice and java (so I can use a library which uses openoffice written in java to convert documents to PDF)? |
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| 13:14.50 | babilen | throws boulders at Smirker_ |
| 13:15.02 | babilen | Smirker_: No, just install what you want. |
| 13:15.06 | Smirker_ | that's much worse than rocks! |
| 13:15.32 | thewanderer1 | would you prefer being thrown at with Squeeze mascots? |
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| 13:16.00 | Smirker_ | i wouldn't know what to think. |
| 13:16.12 | Smirker_ | babilen: thanks |
| 13:16.49 | cwg | babilen, I played with hwclock -w - it's not able to read the Hardware Clock |
| 13:18.21 | cwg | gotta bail now, will try again later. Thanks for the tips, Babilen |
| 13:18.31 | babilen | cwg: You can also set it in your BIOS |
| 13:18.43 | babilen | cwg: Do you dual boot with Windows? |
| 13:18.44 | cwg | aha - sounds promising |
| 13:18.46 | cwg | no |
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| 13:19.11 | cwg | Windows has never been on this machine, glad to say. (cheaper too) |
| 13:19.49 | babilen | ok, no problem then .. |
| 13:20.19 | babilen | (AFAIK windows can't handle UTC system clocks and always messes up the time -- not idea if this is still true though) |
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| 13:25.41 | cwg | aha |
| 13:26.04 | cwg | been suggested to try ntpdate - will do so after dinner. Thanks again. |
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| 13:27.25 | unicstar | !tell cwg about ntpdate |
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| 13:28.24 | gadago | hi |
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| 13:28.59 | gadago | I am having some problems when shuting down my debian machine |
| 13:29.34 | gadago | for some reason when i shutdown or issue halt at the terminal instead of shutdown the machine reboots |
| 13:29.35 | babilen | cwg: erm, no ... I just wanted to suggest NTP (/msg dpkg ntp) |
| 13:29.38 | gadago | any ideas? |
| 13:30.02 | unicstar | gadago: please tell the exact command you do |
| 13:30.12 | gadago | halt |
| 13:30.14 | sKeiths | if you require a dual boot system (bebian and xp), what file system is suggested to use for a drive accessable between both OSes? |
| 13:30.19 | sKeiths | debian* |
| 13:30.20 | gadago | or shutdown -h now |
| 13:30.37 | gadago | i have checked the bios for acpi setting and I cant see anythign that's configurable |
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| 13:30.56 | cookiemon5ter | sKeiths: you can get support for extfs for windows |
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| 13:31.10 | gadago | it seems to spin down the disks like its about to power of, then just starts up again |
| 13:31.18 | cookiemon5ter | and ntfs support for linux |
| 13:31.23 | cookiemon5ter | ntfs3g i think |
| 13:31.23 | unicstar | gadago: Halt notes that the system is being brought down in the file /var/log/wtmp, and then either tells the kernel to halt, reboot or power-off the system |
| 13:31.26 | vtts | sKeiths, fat32 or ntfs (with ntfs3g) |
| 13:31.40 | gadago | okay |
| 13:31.50 | gadago | what should I check? |
| 13:32.28 | unicstar | gadago: try shutdown -hP now |
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| 13:32.50 | gadago | okay, ill be back in a moment |
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| 13:36.35 | r0fs3ck5 | cookiemon5ter: ntfs3g has some known bugs atm |
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| 13:36.54 | r0fs3ck5 | cookiemon5ter: slow write speeds for large files. |
| 13:37.00 | unicstar | which irc server you suggest for a debian server ? better to ask, which irc server this server is running ( Freenode I mean ) |
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| 13:37.59 | sKeiths | r0fs3ck5, does this included lastest stable? |
| 13:38.02 | cookiemon5ter | r0fs3ck5: there's a kernel driver for ntfs right ? |
| 13:38.23 | gadago | unicstar: sorry same result, started right back up again |
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| 13:38.29 | _jmz_ | this is kinda a long question so I made a forum post to explain it. but can anyone see where I'm going wrong with this wireless-wired bridge set up? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4369502#post4369502 |
| 13:38.56 | r0fs3ck5 | sKeiths: bug's still listed on the site and in the fora, so I assume so. |
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| 13:39.43 | babilen | freenode is running on ircd-seven and oftc is using oftc-hybrid |
| 13:39.48 | babilen | unicstar: ^^^ |
| 13:40.02 | r0fs3ck5 | cookiemon5ter: not sure what the latest kernel will have regarding ntfs, ask torvalds. |
| 13:40.08 | gadago | okay, found this - https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=769812 - sounds similar to my problem |
| 13:40.20 | r0fs3ck5 | just my 2 cents |
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| 13:42.02 | sKeiths | thanks for the heads up r0fs3ck5 |
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| 13:42.15 | r0fs3ck5 | sKeiths: np |
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| 13:44.37 | wols | cookiemon5ter: there is but you don't want to use it normally |
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| 13:45.03 | wols | !tell cookiemon5ter about ntfsrw |
| 13:45.12 | cookiemon5ter | i always used ntfs3g |
| 13:45.34 | gadago | anyone got any ideas on my shutdown issue? |
| 13:45.47 | gadago | When I use halt at the terminal it restart the machine instead |
| 13:45.53 | wols | gadago: what mobo? |
| 13:45.55 | gadago | I am running in a gnome session |
| 13:46.02 | gadago | hold up |
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| 13:46.44 | gadago | asrock 939Dual-SATA2 |
| 13:46.55 | gadago | I'm running debian squeze |
| 13:48.37 | gadago | http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=939Dual-SATA2 |
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| 13:50.17 | Abddu | Which ftp-server package(s) do you recommend for occasional use on a desktop machine, with few users, rare anonymous and with strong focus on security? |
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| 13:51.31 | gadago | vsftpd |
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| 13:51.54 | thewanderer1 | Abddu: why isn't just SFTP an option? |
| 13:53.17 | Abddu | thewanderer1: I don't say it's not. I never hosted fto though, and honestly I'm lost seeing how many options there are for an FTP server in repos. I just want it to be secure, lightweight if possible, user/admin friendly as a bonus. :D |
| 13:53.40 | gadago | ftp by itself isn't secure |
| 13:54.00 | wols | gadago: you have your BIOS most probably set up wrong. and the option in question wouldn't mention ACPI in any way. |
| 13:54.04 | Ticho | Abddu: if you mean that "strong security focus" seriously, the only option is "no ftp" |
| 13:54.20 | gadago | wols: thanks, what should I be looking for? |
| 13:54.27 | wols | Abddu: the question in the first place is: why ftp? |
| 13:54.56 | thewanderer1 | !tell Abddu about ftp must die |
| 13:54.58 | wols | gadago: anything to do with power, power up, down. Is this happening in debian only or other linuxes too? what about windows? |
| 13:54.59 | Abddu | Wow, had no idea that ftpp could endanger my system... even if setup properly? So am I stuck with making my users to use ssh/scp? |
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| 13:55.31 | gadago | no fine with windows, I have had ubuntu and fedora on here in the past and no issues with that either |
| 13:55.50 | wols | Abddu: the trouble with ftp is not only the security. it's just that the protocol itself is an utter snafu designed by batshit crazy morons. the whole way it deals with ports is just asinine |
| 13:56.03 | bencc | is there a command that does nothing so I can replace it with sendmail without getting error and without doing anything? |
| 13:56.06 | gadago | I will take another look in the bios but really, nothing under power settings seems very configurable |
| 13:56.20 | wols | Abddu: e.g. if you are behind a router, it's awful. all that said: you'd probably use vsftpd |
| 13:56.23 | bencc | is there a command that does nothing so I can replace it with sendmail without getting error and without doing anything? |
| 13:56.40 | wols | bencc: huh? |
| 13:56.41 | robokop | bencc: true |
| 13:56.55 | bencc | robokop: thanks. trying |
| 13:56.59 | wols | bencc: you always need an MDA/MTA |
| 13:58.29 | Abddu | wols: Thanks, will have a look on that. However now I'm scared to even try ftp, the more so that I'm behind a router indeed. D; |
| 13:59.33 | joe6 | i do not see a /dev/parport0. i see that the parport and parport_pc modules loaded ok. Is that expected? http://sprunge.us/BOhJ |
| 13:59.58 | joe6 | uname -a: http://sprunge.us/FMTU |
| 14:00.02 | thewanderer1 | Abddu: just tell people to use sftp and enter the 21st century :P |
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| 14:00.13 | joe6 | any suggestions, please? |
| 14:00.44 | unicstar | gadago: do you have a "rc.shutdown" script ? |
| 14:04.03 | boudiccas | i have a cron job that runs as user every fifteen minutes, and its just started spitting out an email message saying thats its completed, how do i turn it off please? |
| 14:04.14 | plm_ | people, I want to do a redir of server that has a public ip do a internal server where are running the ftp server on port 9021. I'm doing this in server with public ip: iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 9020 -d 192.168.0.53 -j ACCEPT; iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT -p tcp --dport 9021. But this is not working.. why? |
| 14:04.52 | plm_ | unicstar: I solve that but, see above.. |
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| 14:06.03 | unicstar | plm_: your problem is only forwarding now ? the previous problem has been solved ? |
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| 14:07.16 | plm_ | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 14:07.26 | plm_ | unicstar: previous about syntax.. but redir not works.. I have this rules too: iptables -t nat -F PREROUTING; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 14:07.38 | wols | plm_: FORWARD is not enough. a PREROUTING line is also needed usually |
| 14:07.42 | r0fs3ck5 | a ;itt;e more on that ntfs-3g issue for those who are interested: http://tuxera.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7780&sid=24882c5cf502ef443a0ddcfd347d43f7 |
| 14:08.04 | plm_ | wols: look above your message.. has the PREROUTING |
| 14:08.08 | wols | plm_: however, if your ftp client is behind a NAT and uses passive ftp, it will probably fail |
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| 14:08.23 | plm_ | wols: I try both, passive and active mode |
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| 14:11.37 | pav5088 | I want apt-get to ask low priority questions in a script... can I use some kind of "-o" string or something to achieve this. (I don't want to have to run dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:12.03 | mrtnt | I have a pair of special radio-devices which support SNMP, but the problem is, that if I snmpwalk those devices, I only see few generic values(sysContact, sysDescr, sysServices etc) and nothing else. Most likely I need MIB files so NMS could know what values can be asked from the radio devices? If yes, is there a possibility to get all the OID's device supports without MIB files as those devices have been out or production for years? |
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| 14:14.57 | boudiccas | i have a cron job that runs as user every fifteen minutes, and its just started spitting out an email message saying thats its completed, how do i turn the message off please? |
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| 14:18.05 | joe6 | btw, just needed the ppdev module |
| 14:18.08 | soooge | 18:08 -!- RobinJ [~Robin@unaffiliated/robinj] has joined #debian |
| 14:18.11 | soooge | 18:08 < plm_> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 14:18.49 | RobinJ | ? |
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| 14:19.40 | RobinJ | lol soooge that kinda takes away the use of the [~Robin@unaffiliated/robinj] part :p |
| 14:19.45 | gadago | wols: i have managed to fix the shutdown issue |
| 14:20.02 | RobinJ | why doesnt it just identify before joinging channels xD |
| 14:20.03 | gadago | i was the allow pci to wake device setting in the bios |
| 14:20.33 | gadago | annoying this is that it breaks my WOL functionality but oh well, have to live with it I guess |
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| 14:21.49 | wols | RobinJ: cause irc can't. services are bolted on to the protocol. either use SASL or use a delay. both of course needs a properly working, decent irc client |
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| 14:22.40 | RobinJ | well i only have this problem on this server :p |
| 14:22.54 | RobinJ | just like this is the only server where i always need 2 or 3 attampts before succeeding to connect |
| 14:23.17 | zapadlo | Hello, I have played around with fglrx drivers and want to revert to the use of open source drivers, how can I tell modprobe to load correct modules? |
| 14:23.58 | pav5088 | boudiccas, I can't really remember... but I think you redirect the output to null in your crontab eg. /path/to/script > /dev/null |
| 14:24.11 | boudiccas | pav5088; thanks |
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| 14:26.17 | wols | zapadlo: why not just uninstall fglrx? |
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| 14:26.46 | wols | RobinJ: just cause a race condition doesn't always happen, doesn't mean it's not there |
| 14:26.52 | zapadlo | wols I'll give that a go |
| 14:27.06 | sKeiths | how can i tell if i'm running 32bit or 64bit. Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 21 05:58:44 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:27.36 | cwg | babilen, thanks for the update on ntpdate (it did work but I'll switch to ntp) |
| 14:27.43 | wols | sKeiths: 32bit. but you can tell by "file /bin/ls" |
| 14:27.46 | RobinJ | race condition? |
| 14:27.51 | wols | RobinJ: yes |
| 14:28.00 | RobinJ | wich means? |
| 14:28.12 | sKeiths | ty wols |
| 14:28.22 | wols | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_condition |
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| 14:28.34 | babilen | cwg: Please do that :) |
| 14:28.39 | MarconM | which is the best debian for desktop |
| 14:28.55 | wols | !best |
| 14:28.55 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:29.18 | wols | MarconM: the #debian channel overwhelmingly favours women at play btw |
| 14:29.20 | RobinJ | lol, where's the bot called apt? :p |
| 14:29.35 | wols | RobinJ: over there |
| 14:30.05 | RobinJ | omg it actually exists xD |
| 14:30.19 | RobinJ | and it's actually a bot xD |
| 14:30.23 | RobinJ | >apt< CTCP VERSION |
| 14:30.24 | RobinJ | -apt- VERSION infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux |
| 14:30.44 | MarconM | wols: o;o |
| 14:31.10 | MarconM | for to use design programa |
| 14:31.12 | MarconM | program |
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| 14:31.52 | wols | MarconM: debian stable |
| 14:32.26 | MarconM | wols: ... debian lenny, debian test |
| 14:32.38 | wols | MarconM: just curious, what applications do you plan to use for "design program"? |
| 14:32.52 | wols | MarconM: debian squeeze |
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| 14:33.35 | MarconM | wols: gimp, inkscape, |
| 14:33.54 | MarconM | cad program, autocad, draftsigh |
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| 14:35.41 | boudiccas | i have a cron job that runs as user every fifteen minutes, and its just started spitting out an email message saying thats its completed, how do i turn the message off please? the cron job line is .... 00,15,30,45 * * * * /home/boztu/cron/uptime.sh>>/home/boztu/cron/uptime.txt> /dev/null |
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| 14:35.51 | sKeiths | I dont know how to run a .bundle file downloaded from VMware website. My guess is chmod the file to include executable bit (777) the sudo the file. it that correct? |
| 14:36.48 | wols | !vmware |
| 14:36.48 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware #vmware on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 14:36.56 | riot | how do i move /var to another partition on a luks-encrypted/lvm system? (Installed via debian installer defaults) |
| 14:37.32 | sKeiths | thanks for info wols |
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| 14:38.38 | superlinux | hi all. |
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| 14:40.33 | csow | hello |
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| 14:43.01 | zapadlo | Hello, I have OS radeon drivers installed and experiencing some terrible screen tearing, how can I enable vsyn or perhaps look into another solution? |
| 14:43.28 | zapadlo | Or should I take this to #ati? |
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| 14:44.03 | thewanderer1 | I have a Debian server and an ISO. is there a way that I can use this to boot the ISO, which contains a DOS system? I don't have an optical drive. |
| 14:44.12 | csow | do we not use berkeley db anymore I am trying to run dbX_load for vsftpd virtual users anyone knows what other program replaced it |
| 14:44.17 | thewanderer1 | also, virtual machine is not applicable - this is for hardware diagnostics |
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| 14:44.56 | Qation | Can I have some help getting my Realtek ethernet device working? It is a RTL8111/8168B. I only can use the command line right now |
| 14:45.19 | wols | thewanderer1: no you cannot boot the ISO this way. what do you need to do? |
| 14:45.27 | Abddu | Qation: what's the issue?? You seem to be connected |
| 14:45.41 | Qation | On another computer. |
| 14:45.42 | wols | !tell Qation about firmware |
| 14:45.55 | wols | Qation: install the non-free firmware for it and it will work |
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| 14:46.05 | Qation | I did do that |
| 14:46.09 | thewanderer1 | wols: I need to boot a DOS-based OS on my diskless, optical-less client |
| 14:46.21 | wols | csow: check if vsftpd is compiled against some libdb or not |
| 14:46.22 | Qation | I downloaded 'firmware-linux-nonfree' |
| 14:46.30 | Qation | and used dpkg to install it |
| 14:46.32 | wols | thewanderer1: and for what reason? |
| 14:46.43 | wols | Qation: ifconfig -a |
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| 14:46.57 | wols | Qation: and "dmesg |grep eth" |
| 14:46.57 | Qation | wols: It shows eth0 |
| 14:47.14 | Qation | I can bring it up but I'm not connected to my network |
| 14:47.16 | csow | ok |
| 14:47.19 | thewanderer1 | wols: need to return a harddrive for warranty, and Seagate insist that I run a program from their ISO that I need to boot on the hardware that will contain the RMA-to-be disk |
| 14:47.25 | wols | Qation: then maybe you need to learn to ask a proper question. /msg dpkg ask |
| 14:47.37 | wols | thewanderer1: USB stick |
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| 14:47.58 | thewanderer1 | wols: I very much doubt if they give a hybrid ISO, is there a hack I can use? |
| 14:48.11 | thewanderer1 | say, would UNetBootin work? |
| 14:48.27 | Qation | Sorry, the only thing that looks like an error is "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" |
| 14:48.31 | wols | thewanderer1: debian doesn't give a hybrid iso either but can be installed from usb. btw: this is debian related how again? |
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| 14:48.46 | Qation | And the rest is "r8160: eth0: link up/down" |
| 14:48.52 | wols | Qation: I never asked for errors. and read the factoid again |
| 14:49.13 | thewanderer1 | wols: in that I want to use the current infrastructure to boot an ISO without a CD... sorry if this is offtopic here, I can cease to ask |
| 14:49.14 | Qation | Those are the only thing dmesg returned |
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| 14:49.18 | wols | Qation: sorry. this factoid: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 14:49.29 | wols | Qation: I don't believe you |
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| 14:49.56 | wols | thewanderer1: google for "grub boot iso" or such. there are ways |
| 14:50.07 | csow | wols vsftpd is not compile with libdb at least ldd output does not show it |
| 14:50.27 | thewanderer1 | wols: thanks |
| 14:50.29 | wols | csow: I guess that answers your question? |
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| 14:51.14 | wols | csow: you can if you really insist recompile the package with libdb support, if vsftpd supports this |
| 14:51.33 | Qation | wols: I brought it down again and now it returns several failures. like "ACPI Error (psparse0537) Method parse/execution failed, AE_ALREADY_EXISTS" Sorry I can't copy and paste it |
| 14:52.00 | wols | Qation: didn't you read the first time. I never asked for errors |
| 14:52.30 | Qation | So copy it all down into pastie? |
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| 14:55.50 | csow | wols I will try troubleshooting login via sql |
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| 14:57.01 | cyoz | are questions about distros like crunchbang "permitted" in here? |
| 14:57.29 | jelly | cyoz: nopt, you should use their own channels for derivatives |
| 14:57.30 | wols | csow: debian only |
| 14:57.39 | cyoz | I see |
| 14:57.47 | wols | cyoz: ask ##linux |
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| 14:58.04 | jelly | !crunchbang |
| 14:58.04 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>. |
| 14:58.06 | cyoz | I will |
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| 14:58.12 | Qation | wols: http://pastie.org/1993412 This is the first part |
| 14:58.31 | Qation | Do you need the numbers before the text? |
| 14:59.11 | wols | Qation: I don't have any clue what this is supposed to mean |
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| 14:59.21 | Qation | Neither do I |
| 14:59.40 | Qation | It wasn't there the first time |
| 14:59.43 | wols | I rarely tell people to reboot, but in this case I would, to start from a clean slate. and then try again |
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| 15:00.04 | Qation | Ok Ill try |
| 15:00.17 | thewanderer1 | I wonder if this is some Atom board with a buggy DSDT... |
| 15:00.19 | wols | e.g. does a 100/1000 ethernet connection show in dmesg? what does dhclient say/do? etc |
| 15:00.59 | Qation | It just said the link was up/down |
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| 15:01.13 | Qation | I just rebooted I'll check again |
| 15:02.07 | Qation | The interface only shows with ifconfig -a |
| 15:02.19 | Qation | and I can only get it up with ifconfig -a eth0 up |
| 15:03.04 | Qation | Should dhclient have returned anything if I executed it? |
| 15:03.09 | wols | do not do it this way |
| 15:03.31 | wols | dhclient eth0 if there is a dhcp server in the LAN |
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| 15:04.42 | Qation | I have my router configured to assign my wireless interface a static ip, but not eth0 |
| 15:05.21 | Qation | don't do dhclient eth0? |
| 15:05.35 | wols | don't use ifconfig to get the interface up |
| 15:05.40 | Qation | Wait |
| 15:05.42 | Qation | I fixed it |
| 15:06.07 | Qation | I needed to add it to my interfaces file, I was using wicd before |
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| 15:13.33 | Qation | wols: Sorry I should have checked the file |
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| 15:13.46 | _twitch | Hey, I was looking at downloading debian, do I need to download all of the dvd files or? as 8 4gb iso's seem's a bit excessive.. |
| 15:14.12 | jhutchins_lt | _twitch: Just the first one, or the netinst image. |
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| 15:14.27 | jhutchins_lt | _twitch: netinst lets you only download the packages you actually use. |
| 15:14.30 | _twitch | jhutchins_lt: Cool, what are all the other one's for? |
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| 15:14.35 | _twitch | jhutchins_lt: okay. |
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| 15:14.43 | jhutchins_lt | 30,000 packages with internationalization. |
| 15:14.58 | _twitch | Ah |
| 15:15.02 | _twitch | right haha |
| 15:15.07 | jhutchins_lt | We don't currently have a good explanation of what each one is for. |
| 15:15.13 | _twitch | Will grab netinst then :P |
| 15:15.21 | _twitch | Oh okay, alright man, cheers |
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| 15:16.16 | jhutchins_lt | Welcome to Debian! |
| 15:17.28 | _twitch | thanks man! |
| 15:17.38 | _twitch | now im going to sleep and letting this ISO download c: |
| 15:17.40 | wols | twisted`: what network or WLAN card do you use? |
| 15:17.58 | wols | _twitch: ^^ |
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| 15:23.29 | vignesh | Hey |
| 15:23.33 | vignesh | I am using gs 9.0 and get the following error when merging pdfs. |
| 15:23.38 | vignesh | Can't find (or can't open) font file /usr/share/ghostscript/9.02/Resource/Font/ArialMT |
| 15:23.43 | vignesh | which results in some letters not being displayed on windows machines. It works on linux machines though |
| 15:23.58 | vignesh | On Linux, I can open with okular, but not with Adobe reader |
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| 15:25.43 | wols | vignesh: how is this a problem of debian? |
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| 15:26.21 | vignesh | wols, its not. I just need to know if someone else has the same problem. I use debian sqeeze btw |
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| 15:28.56 | _twitch | wols: sorry, um no idea what I'll install debian on yet, probably going to make a machine out of scrap parts |
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| 15:30.18 | wols | _twitch: for wlan you need CD1, not netinst (to have wpasupplicant), and you also might need non-free firmware for some network cards or wlan chips |
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| 15:30.39 | _twitch | wols: alright. cheers man. |
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| 15:38.19 | rayk_sland | just updated to squeeze a system that was using ldap with anonymous bind. the new slapd and that ldap based configuration disables that by default. Anyone know how to get it back? |
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| 15:42.29 | foetus | whats the plan for next release, next month? |
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| 15:44.19 | wols | foetus: typical debian release cycles are usually 18-24 months |
| 15:45.03 | gridbag | What does this mean? W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 15:45.13 | foetus | wols: yes. i mean 6.0.2.. |
| 15:45.15 | gridbag | im trying "apt-get update" on 5.0.4 |
| 15:48.21 | foetus | nothing planned. |
| 15:48.52 | wols | !tell gridbag about no public key |
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| 16:01.32 | webad_13 | how can I check my battery status from command line without acpi?... I tried to cat /proc/acpi/battery.... but bettery directory is not present. Yet gnome power manager is monitoring it without problems. any ideas? |
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| 16:02.46 | tvm | webad_13: acpitool |
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| 16:03.22 | tvm | i don't have that battery directory either |
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| 16:03.30 | tvm | yet 'acpitool' returns the battery status happily |
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| 16:04.10 | erix | Hi all, I am installing mail server with postfix and cyrus |
| 16:04.12 | wols | strace acpitool then |
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| 16:04.32 | erix | Now I would like to enable authentication |
| 16:04.35 | erix | to do that |
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| 16:04.44 | webad_13 | tvm: I don't have acpitool but power manager is getting the informaton form somewhere |
| 16:04.49 | mvooght | webad_13: My battery info is in a dir called BAT0. I don't remember the path (I'm not on my laptop), but a simple search with find will do it. My current charge is then in the file "charge_now" or something like that. |
| 16:04.50 | webad_13 | can I cat that info to my screen |
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| 16:04.57 | erix | I add the following commands to main.cf file |
| 16:05.07 | webad_13 | mvooght: I'll try to locate |
| 16:05.10 | erix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.11 | erix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.13 | wols | mvooght: thinkpad? |
| 16:05.22 | wols | !tell erix about enter |
| 16:05.23 | mvooght | wols: eeepc |
| 16:05.37 | webad_13 | mvooght: nope not able to locate it |
| 16:05.51 | tvm | found it in /sys/class/power_supply/ |
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| 16:05.54 | erix | yep |
| 16:05.58 | mvooght | tvm: That's it |
| 16:06.02 | erix | telnet localhost 25 |
| 16:06.10 | erix | but it didnt ask any password |
| 16:06.10 | wols | erix: stop it |
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| 16:06.16 | erix | ? |
| 16:06.34 | wols | excessive enter use, pasting in channel, etc |
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| 16:07.01 | erix | thats funny |
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| 16:08.09 | mvooght | webad_13: No luck with `find / -name "BAT0"` ? That is a zero, not an "Oh", if it helps. |
| 16:08.55 | tvm | mvooght: it is in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/uevent |
| 16:09.18 | tvm | at least on this Thinkpad |
| 16:10.00 | webad_13 | tvm: found it |
| 16:10.08 | mvooght | tvm: Right, but he said he couldn't find it, I thought he might have mixed up 0/O. |
| 16:10.09 | webad_13 | same here on amilo pro |
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| 16:10.35 | webad_13 | mvooght yes because it is BAT1 for me |
| 16:10.40 | tvm | apparently acpitool calculates the charge using POWER_SUPPLY_ENERGY_NOW=45460000 and POWER_SUPPLY_ENERGY_FULL=46800000 |
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| 16:10.53 | tvm | the percentage, that is. |
| 16:10.58 | mvooght | Ok cool, my bad I just assumed BAT0 was the standard. |
| 16:10.59 | webad_13 | yeah so a ratio of two will give me |
| 16:11.03 | webad_13 | the correct charge |
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| 16:11.10 | tvm | i'd say so. |
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| 16:11.59 | tvm | yup. |
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| 16:12.29 | tvm | just tried to divide it and the result is same. |
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| 16:12.57 | webad_13 | tvm yes for me too, great than you |
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| 16:13.20 | webad_13 | *thank you * |
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| 16:13.58 | tvm | you're welcome, needed to spend some extra minutes before leaving the office ;) |
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| 16:18.45 | Qation | I just installed the ATI Proprietary drivers and when I startx, at TTY1 it just repeats "No protocol specified" over and over and TTY7 is blank |
| 16:19.05 | Qation | I used aticonfig --initial to make the xorg.conf |
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| 16:19.37 | wols | Qation: did you install it via fglrx-driver ? |
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| 16:20.06 | Qation | I installed it by "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver" |
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| 16:20.11 | Qation | I'm following the wiki |
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| 16:20.14 | Qation | oh wait |
| 16:20.38 | wols | Qation: no need to create a special xorg.conf normally |
| 16:20.45 | Qation | I just stopped it says "xauth: error in locking authority file /home/rb/.Xauthority" |
| 16:20.52 | Qation | it* |
| 16:20.56 | Gump | #debian, please tell me there is an english major in here. OT, but i am in desperate need of an english major |
| 16:21.06 | Qation | Do I not have some kind of peermission? |
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| 16:21.31 | wols | Gump: #linguistics or such. this is debian support only |
| 16:21.40 | Gump | walks away sadly |
| 16:21.40 | AimHere | Gump, if you want a native speaker, there's plenty here |
| 16:21.44 | AimHere | There's also #english |
| 16:21.54 | AimHere | ##English, rather |
| 16:22.07 | Gump | lol thanks #debian |
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| 16:22.25 | Qation | wols: Are you sure? Should I try w/out an xorg.conf? |
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| 16:26.28 | Qation | It showed before No protocol specified, "using system config directory /usr/share/xorg.conf.d" How can I get it to use /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
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| 16:27.05 | dwaynewayne | anyone have any experience of Xorg grabbing output of devices in /dev/input/ ? |
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| 16:27.43 | Qation | And also that "fglrx: No matching device section for BUS ID" |
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| 16:27.58 | Qation | Thats repeated with alot of ID numbers |
| 16:28.35 | zapadlo | Hello, I managed to break X switching drivers. 'startx' loops with 'No protocol specified' |
| 16:29.00 | Qation | Thats what happened to me |
| 16:29.50 | zapadlo | fglrx: No matching device for section...? |
| 16:30.12 | Qation | Yeah |
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| 16:30.43 | Qation | and after giving up. "xinit: Resource temporarilly unavailabe (errno11) |
| 16:31.24 | zapadlo | Mine is different, do you have a .xinitrc file? |
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| 16:31.42 | Qation | I'm on a fresh install |
| 16:31.57 | Qation | so not in my home directory |
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| 16:33.33 | Bartzy|work | How do I force unmount on busy filesystem ? |
| 16:33.41 | babilen | Qation: Just try it without a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, but with: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf" and paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log so we can take a log along with the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" |
| 16:33.45 | Bartzy|work | I tried fuser -m /mnt/mount_point and killing the processes using it, but umount still says it's busy. |
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| 16:33.58 | babilen | Qation: Without a /etc/X11/xorg.conf that is |
| 16:34.06 | Qation | oh |
| 16:34.12 | ksk | Bartzy|work: did you ask "lsof" what is accessing your mount? |
| 16:34.15 | Qation | Use that command you posted? |
| 16:34.28 | Bartzy|work | ksk: I user fuser for that. |
| 16:34.32 | Bartzy|work | used* |
| 16:34.43 | ksk | ah mhmkay. nvm |
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| 16:35.03 | Bartzy|work | ksk: Should I use lsof ? |
| 16:35.07 | Woet | Why isn't this logrotate configuration deleting files after 1 day? http://pastebin.com/myTcdcm5 |
| 16:35.15 | babilen | Qation: Yes, (re)move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (somewhere else) and run the command I just posted which will create a device specific configuration file for your ATI card in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- /msg dpkg xorg.conf.d |
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| 16:35.41 | Qation | babilen: I just removed the file and it works :) |
| 16:36.08 | Qation | thanks |
| 16:36.13 | Qation | I used this drivere a while ago and it used to work with xorg.conf |
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| 16:37.28 | babilen | Qation: Wonderful -- Enjoy! |
| 16:37.38 | Qation | Thanks |
| 16:37.55 | babilen | no problem (that was the best outcome I could hope for) :) |
| 16:38.40 | Qation | Yeah they usually don't work out that easy |
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| 16:50.03 | zapadlo | babilen I tried to follow your instructions but to no avail |
| 16:50.27 | rypervenche | How can I change what DM I use in Debian? |
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| 16:51.24 | nkuttler | rypervenche: dpkg-reconfigure foodm |
| 16:51.52 | swerve | had some trouble after upgrading to sid yesterday |
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| 16:52.15 | swerve | rebuilt kernel, & everything seems to be fairly ok |
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| 16:52.28 | rypervenche | nkuttler: So I can have more than one DM on my system and running "dpkg-reconfigure" will make one default and disable the other? |
| 16:52.28 | swerve | some minor errors, locales, etc. |
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| 16:53.13 | swerve | but what is best policy now? seems unrealistic to just never upgrade again until sid becomes testing |
| 16:53.16 | zapadlo | Hah, nvm, fixed it. |
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| 16:54.25 | nkuttler | !tell swerve about sid |
| 16:54.30 | nkuttler | rypervenche: yeah |
| 16:54.37 | stew | swerve: sid never becomes testing |
| 16:54.47 | arturo | i have debian squeeze installed and i want to read and write in to usb devices. when i insert the usb device i can read it but i cannot write unless i am root user. |
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| 16:55.11 | swerve | i meant the sid packages become testing |
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| 16:55.44 | rypervenche | I've been trying out Arch for the past few days, and I have to say, I like pacman, (although their search format sucks), but I really miss Debian. I'm going to come back and try either Wheezy or Sid. |
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| 16:56.06 | wols | swerve: it's the only way however |
| 16:56.07 | arturo | i edited the fstab so i can write but i does not work. also changed the folder persmissions |
| 16:56.15 | Peanut | Hi, on Squeeze, /usr/share/locale is 491MB. What is the proper way to remove most of the locales that are in languages that I will never learn? |
| 16:57.01 | arturo | how can i mount usb devices with write permission for all users ? |
| 16:57.16 | swerve | wols: ok, thx |
| 16:57.23 | wols | arturo: depends how you want to mount them, ie which automounter if any |
| 16:57.31 | stew | arturo: rw is the default. what filesystem type are you mounting? |
| 16:57.53 | arturo | vfat |
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| 16:58.46 | stew | arturo: then you want to mount with umask=000 |
| 16:59.14 | arturo | but i want automatically |
| 16:59.29 | stew | arturo: is it being automounted already? |
| 16:59.35 | arturo | yes |
| 16:59.38 | stew | arturo: by what? |
| 16:59.47 | webad_13 | how can I change the colordepth in debian squeeze? |
| 16:59.57 | webad_13 | in X |
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| 17:00.30 | arturo | do not know, by the default program |
| 17:00.55 | arturo | not by fstab |
| 17:01.22 | nielsle | webgl doesn't work in chrome on my debian sid. Is this a driver issue, or does debian sid not have any webgl support yet? |
| 17:04.20 | jelly | nielsle: dunno, but are you aware that webgl at present brings security issues? http://www.contextis.com/resources/blog/webgl/ |
| 17:04.23 | wols | nielsle: shouldn't you ask google why it doesn't work? |
| 17:04.30 | arturo | how can i know |
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| 17:04.49 | arturo | how can i know how the usb is mounted ? |
| 17:04.58 | wols | arturo: prime suspect is probably gnome |
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| 17:06.03 | arturo | wols: how can i configure it ? |
| 17:06.23 | nielsle | wols: I just meant to ask whether or not is works. Not why it did not work, but thanks for the answer :-) |
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| 17:08.19 | wols | arturo: via gconftool-2 for example |
| 17:08.47 | arturo | i think is gvfs-mount |
| 17:09.18 | wols | arturo: gnome-volume-properties too |
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| 17:10.47 | arturo | i search for mount in gconf-edito |
| 17:10.57 | arturo | i only found applets |
| 17:11.14 | swerve | what headers can i remove from /usr/src? |
| 17:11.24 | wols | arturo: I suggest you search in /usr/share/docs and google. much more chance of success |
| 17:11.27 | swerve | i have a couple of different versions it looks like |
| 17:11.36 | wols | swerve: versions of what? |
| 17:11.44 | swerve | linux-headers |
| 17:11.59 | arturo | but |
| 17:12.08 | wols | you don't remove any from there. if at all you remove them via apt |
| 17:12.08 | arturo | what are the mount options ? |
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| 17:12.26 | wols | swerve: how many kernels do you have installed? |
| 17:12.28 | swerve | which do i need? |
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| 17:12.51 | swerve | i don't need them with numbers predating current kernel version, do i? |
| 17:13.11 | wols | swerve: dpkg -l linux-header |grep ^ii |
| 17:13.26 | wols | swerve: dpkg -l linux-header* |grep ^ii rather |
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| 17:14.04 | swerve | have some errors w/that command related to other pkgs looks like |
| 17:14.14 | swerve | dpkg-query: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 51466 package 'am-utils': |
| 17:14.24 | swerve | and a few others |
| 17:14.37 | wols | !tell swerve about available |
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| 17:15.01 | swerve | upgrade to sid did a lot of this i think |
| 17:15.07 | swerve | just trying to clean up |
| 17:15.17 | simonlnu | !sid upgrade |
| 17:15.17 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 17:16.02 | swerve | had to upgrade mythtv to multimedia unstable few times |
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| 17:16.27 | swerve | regardless, just want to clean up these msgs now |
| 17:16.43 | babilen | swerve: Please also note that wheezy/sid support happens in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net not here, but you want to follow the <available> factoid in this case. |
| 17:16.53 | MarkG234 | Is there a meta package that sets up Postfix, Dovecot and Spamassassin? I have been trying for ages with no joy. |
| 17:17.01 | rypervenche | !wheezy upgrade |
| 17:17.15 | wols | MarkG234: no |
| 17:17.27 | rypervenche | poop :( Should I go to #debian-next for information on upgrading to testing? |
| 17:17.30 | swerve | okay, thx- where is available factoid? |
| 17:17.42 | wols | rypervenche: more like: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 17:17.51 | wols | swerve: you got sent it minutes ago |
| 17:18.20 | swerve | oh - i see |
| 17:18.39 | rypervenche | wols: I'm very cautious.^^ I'm upgrading to wheezy in a VM first to see how it works, but I was just wondering if there were certain things that I should be doing as well. |
| 17:18.41 | swerve | yeah, like i said, pkg wasn't working in testing, had 2 install sid version |
| 17:19.04 | wols | rypervenche: of course. you shouldn't do it. there, wasn't that easy? |
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| 17:20.27 | rypervenche | wols: Well, I moved to Arch to try it out, but I miss Debian, so I'm coming back. However some of the packages are just too old for me, so I figured I'd go to either testing or unstable. I mean, testing is probably just as if not more secure than say Ubuntu, am I right? |
| 17:20.52 | wols | you are wrong |
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| 17:24.39 | treebeen | does anyone know how I can make varnish update websites upon refresh? (F5) |
| 17:25.04 | treebeen | sometimes I have to wait like 1 min until it's up to date with the changes I've made |
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| 17:25.15 | treebeen | and it just acts as a proxy |
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| 17:26.50 | CRB | depending on the browser Shift+Click on the refresh button may help. |
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| 17:31.25 | a931bw | how do i install new WINE in debian wheezy? |
| 17:31.28 | a931bw | 1.3.* |
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| 17:33.08 | simonlnu | google it, or ask #winehq |
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| 17:33.34 | rizzeh | a931bw: http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 17:33.44 | simonlnu | that's how i found it last night, via $search_engine |
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| 17:33.54 | simonlnu | that's the one |
| 17:33.58 | treebeen | CRB: whoa, it seems to be depending on the browser, firefox always refreshes immediately while chromium isn't |
| 17:34.43 | simonlnu | chromium is a bit aggressive on the local cache (the html5 storage) |
| 17:35.20 | simonlnu | though that might have been a bug :P |
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| 17:37.34 | nvictor | hey all |
| 17:37.50 | nvictor | i thought linux has a dictionary of english words right? |
| 17:38.07 | nvictor | i would like to use grep to grab words beginning with "in-" |
| 17:38.09 | treebeen | simonlnu: and I though varnish is cause this, well, somehow it's probably involved, because I can't remember chromium acting like that without it |
| 17:38.16 | treebeen | *causing |
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| 17:39.51 | nvictor | /etc/dictionary-commons/words <--- for reference :) |
| 17:40.18 | treebeen | nvictor: egrep ^in-.* <file> |
| 17:40.19 | streaming10 | someone see g0tmi1k??? |
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| 17:41.15 | treebeen | ah, no - |
| 17:41.28 | treebeen | thought that was part of the word :) |
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| 17:42.15 | streaming10 | lol |
| 17:42.38 | streaming10 | treebeen u understand about metasploit?¿ |
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| 17:44.46 | CRB | rizzeh thanks for the pointer :) |
| 17:44.50 | jelly | streaming10: what is your native language |
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| 17:46.01 | rizzeh | CRB: :) |
| 17:46.20 | streaming10 | spanish |
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| 17:46.51 | streaming10 | I only speak well english when im drunk |
| 17:46.53 | streaming10 | :) |
| 17:47.06 | treebeen | esta mierda no es democracia |
| 17:47.26 | streaming10 | jajajaja |
| 17:47.33 | streaming10 | kien habla español? |
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| 17:47.43 | streaming10 | k cracks |
| 17:47.48 | jelly | !es |
| 17:47.48 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 17:47.53 | femichel | que pasa |
| 17:47.56 | streaming10 | ostia |
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| 17:48.06 | streaming10 | thx dpkg |
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| 17:48.56 | treebeen | dpkg: si |
| 17:48.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, si is Slovenia. For Slovene speakers / Kanal za slovenske uporabnike -> #debian.si on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:49.20 | treebeen | dkpg: vamos |
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| 17:51.33 | treebeen | crap, wrong button |
| 17:52.22 | CRB | treebeen there's really an IRC client for Emacs? OMG. It really is an OS not an Editor ;) |
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| 17:53.29 | CRB | Is there a doc or tutorial on how to add screenshots/translations to an |
| 17:53.40 | treebeen | CRB: haha, yes, the one I use is called ERC, and there are others |
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| 17:53.53 | CRB | reprepro managed apt-repo? I have one, but i18n, screenshots and changelogs are missing in mine. |
| 17:54.03 | CRB | Now there Synaptic supports displaying that stuff. |
| 17:54.15 | arosen1 | Anyone know how to get the glibc-profiling package? |
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| 17:57.50 | vieq_ | hello, can I use wheezy repo to install a package while I am using squeeze? |
| 17:58.08 | vieq_ | or things might get missey |
| 17:58.31 | rizzeh | vieq_: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 17:58.41 | vieq_ | checking. |
| 17:59.47 | ujjain | does snmp need additional packages for giving bandwidth info on debian? |
| 17:59.50 | vieq_ | ok so in short I can do that by specifying the default or preferred repo to update . |
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| 18:01.04 | CRB | vieq_ you may also use "install specific version' Ctrl+E in Synaptic |
| 18:01.09 | rizzeh | vieq_: it's not remmended as its a sure way to break the system |
| 18:02.15 | simonlnu | damn... he's gonna break his squeeze |
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| 18:02.24 | dvs | yup |
| 18:02.34 | simonlnu | the eglibc versions conflict, for one |
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| 18:03.13 | a931bw | how do i install new WINE in debian wheezy? |
| 18:03.14 | a931bw | 1.3.* |
| 18:03.16 | simonlnu | rizzeh: so you gonna help him reinstall, or fix his system? |
| 18:03.19 | a931bw | wget -r -H -l1 -N -nd -np -A ".jpg" -erobots=off --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100214 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Firefox/3.5.8" --input-file=$directory/sites.txt |
| 18:03.26 | simonlnu | a931bw: we told you already |
| 18:03.28 | a931bw | http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
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| 18:03.30 | a931bw | doesn't help |
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| 18:03.37 | a931bw | it just doesn't install :( |
| 18:03.37 | jelly | a931bw: how does it not help? |
| 18:03.42 | simonlnu | yes it does. read. |
| 18:04.23 | jelly | a931bw: download all the packages, put them in a local repository, and install away |
| 18:04.30 | CRB | a931bw download the packages manually and install them via `dpkg -i stuff' |
| 18:04.49 | jelly | a931bw: that is, if you trust some random person's binary packages |
| 18:04.51 | a931bw | http://pastebin.com/kfm6krxJ |
| 18:05.03 | simonlnu | dude's a dd |
| 18:05.21 | jelly | a931bw: and? |
| 18:05.23 | jelly | simonlnu: hush |
| 18:05.30 | simonlnu | heh |
| 18:05.43 | a931bw | sorry bugged pastebinit |
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| 18:07.09 | a931bw | http://pastebin.com/MbHGUN2K |
| 18:08.02 | simonlnu | um, trying to install conflicting packages will do that. |
| 18:08.21 | CRB | You've installed packages from Ubuntu... that's generally a bad thing. |
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| 18:08.43 | CRB | Ubuntu and Debian don't package equally. Thus the problems. |
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| 18:10.40 | a931bw | Thanks, removing ubuntu's wine helped :) |
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| 18:11.17 | nkuttler | a931bw: get rid of the other ubuntu packages while you're at it |
| 18:11.51 | a931bw | some software doesn't provide debian packages |
| 18:11.53 | a931bw | only PPA's |
| 18:12.08 | jhutchins | a931bw: Generally that is software that will break your system. |
| 18:12.30 | jhutchins | a931bw: Using ppa's on Debian is a good way to generate the need for a clean install. |
| 18:12.59 | CRB | a931bw you may ask on the bugtracker for those packages to be created. |
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| 18:13.20 | CRB | Or someone who's got knowledge about packaging and a debian-complaiant repo |
| 18:13.42 | a931bw | ok thanks guys |
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| 18:13.48 | a931bw | ill try to get rid of ubuntu software |
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| 18:14.29 | jhutchins | a931bw: Don't be confused into thinking that the higher version numbers for Ubuntu packages mean that they're better than the Debian packages. |
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| 18:15.03 | CRB | Alternatively install from source in a seperated tree (eg: /opt/), that can be easily removed and won't conflict with Debian as much as Ubuntu packages. |
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| 18:15.07 | a931bw | i've updated wine, because i've had Seg fault while launching a game |
| 18:15.21 | a931bw | too bad it didin't help much |
| 18:15.50 | CRB | a931bw maybe try CrossOver Games? Dunno how much it costs, though |
| 18:15.54 | jhutchins | a931bw: It usually won't. Although wine does weekly builds, the significant ones will make it to Debian in due time. |
| 18:16.16 | jhutchins | a931bw: It's best to consult the crossover database and see if your software is supported and in which version. |
| 18:16.27 | treebeen | wine provides a debian repo, AFAIK |
| 18:16.28 | jhutchins | a931bw: (It's better to use Linux software.) |
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| 18:16.51 | jhutchins | treebeen: I thought they did too. |
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| 18:17.30 | a931bw | There's no linux equivalent for software i want to use |
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| 18:19.18 | treebeen | a931bw: http://www.lamaresh.net/ |
| 18:19.51 | streaming10 | #debian-es |
| 18:19.56 | a931bw | thanks :) |
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| 18:25.17 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:29.12 | CRB | TrueDD Hi |
| 18:29.44 | TrueDD | hi CRB |
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| 18:35.10 | Arrowmaster | treebeen: wine doesnt have a debian repo anymore, the one you linked is about as old as the version of wine-unstable in debian, they do link to the packages created to update the ones in debian but they arent in a repo only available for download individually |
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| 18:37.22 | rypervenche | Where can I find a good guide for installing Debian on a system that has LVM on LUKS? |
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| 18:44.16 | twobitsprite | rypervenche: you want to install in to an existing encrypted partition/lvm? |
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| 18:45.51 | rypervenche | twobitsprite: Yes, I have already set it up when I installed Arch onto it. I did LUKS first then LVM. |
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| 18:46.27 | JamezQ | It does not matter if I install debian stable, I can always upgrade to testing right? |
| 18:46.29 | twobitsprite | rypervenche: are you going to be overwriting the arch volumes? |
| 18:46.40 | twobitsprite | JamezQ: generally, yes |
| 18:46.42 | JamezQ | so I don't have to download the devel cd |
| 18:46.47 | JamezQ | or is it better to? |
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| 18:47.16 | rypervenche | twobitsprite: Yes, I like Arch, but I miss Debian. |
| 18:47.31 | wols | no. always install stable first. testing installers have the habit of not working properly |
| 18:47.39 | JamezQ | alright, thanks a lot guys |
| 18:47.58 | JamezQ | I want to try debian with gnome 3, so thats why |
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| 18:48.51 | twobitsprite | rypervenche: ok, so you aren't going to need to install in the *existing* encrypted partition... |
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| 18:50.18 | twobitsprite | rypervenche: just select encryption in the installer under "manual" partitioning |
| 18:50.34 | treebeen | Arrowmaster: allright, but if you need a newer wine for squeeze it might be still useful |
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| 18:50.40 | rypervenche | twobitsprite: What do you mean? I don't need to reinstall LUKS or LVM, but installing Debian on it I'm not so sure how to do it. Arch had their wiki to help me, but I'm not sure how to do it myself. |
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| 18:51.03 | rypervenche | twobitsprite: Won't that erase everything and put LVM and LUKS back on it? |
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| 18:51.23 | rypervenche | twobitsprite: I don't necessarily want to remove it and put it back on. Plus will it be putting LVM on LUKS or LUKS on LVM? |
| 18:51.27 | twobitsprite | rypervenche: you just said you were going to overwrite the existing stuff anyways |
| 18:52.26 | twobitsprite | it will put the LVM on the LUKS |
| 18:53.11 | rypervenche | Hmm ok, that would probably the easiest method then. |
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| 18:53.30 | Arrowmaster | treebeen: anything pre wine 1.2 is practically useless |
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| 18:56.17 | ujjain | is nfs hard to set-up? I am doing flowscan scans on server-1 and I want to process the rrds on server-2. |
| 18:56.28 | ujjain | is nfs a good solution? I prefer to keep it simple. |
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| 18:56.37 | ujjain | and safe, so my altenrative would be rsync |
| 18:56.57 | ompaul | ujjain: safe - use rsync |
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| 18:57.17 | ompaul | nfs is known as no fine security if the network has others on it |
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| 18:58.11 | ujjain | Ok, :) |
| 18:58.11 | thewanderer1 | NFS can be secured, but not many people can do it or even bother, hence the opinion |
| 18:58.22 | Qation | I don't think my computer is using the xorg.conf file. X only started up with it deleted and now when I'm trying to configure dualmonitors with fglrx-control; it saves the settings in xorg.conf and the settings aren't read. Anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 18:58.25 | ujjain | well, my servers are behind a NAT. |
| 18:58.26 | thewanderer1 | so if you're not up for Kerberos fun, do use rsync |
| 18:58.27 | ompaul | thewanderer1: +1 |
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| 18:58.39 | ujjain | I will keep it simple and stick to what I know :) |
| 18:58.48 | ujjain | Learning NFS is for next month :) |
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| 18:59.59 | somiaj | Qation: xorg.conf files aren't needed anymore but the settings are autodeticted. fglrx-control most likely isn't aware of this and is giving the config options you need if you don't like the defaults that xorg loads with. In that case you may need to make your own config file. |
| 19:00.06 | wols | ompaul: what's the alternative for a remote filesystem? not as if CIFS is any better... |
| 19:00.21 | Qation | somiaj: Where would I put the file? |
| 19:00.37 | Qation | It must be using some file though |
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| 19:00.49 | ompaul | wols: I like nfs and use it but I wouldn't sit down and get someone to secure it |
| 19:00.51 | somiaj | Qation: /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- if that file is blank or not tehre it autodetects settings, if that file is there is uses it. |
| 19:01.08 | ompaul | I have it only as read only shares populated by scp |
| 19:01.08 | somiaj | Qation: no xorg doens't require a config file these days, it detects teh settings on startup |
| 19:01.23 | Qation | It isn't blank |
| 19:01.25 | ompaul | and other strange things |
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| 19:01.32 | Qation | i think it was written by fglrx-control |
| 19:01.58 | Qation | Why wouldn't my computer use it then? |
| 19:02.09 | somiaj | Qation: but debian doens't supply an xorg.conf file, and if the one written by fglrx-control isn't working you have to look up how to add the missing config options |
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| 19:02.23 | Qation | oh |
| 19:02.34 | ompaul | ujjain: book mark or remember http://wiki.debian.org/SecuringNFS |
| 19:02.36 | somiaj | Qation: its probably not complete, I don't use fglrx-control nor know what it writes (its an unoffical config tool) |
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| 19:03.33 | ompaul | thewanderer1: perhaps that page might like some love and attention |
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| 19:05.03 | Qation | somiaj: Is this incomplete? http://pastie.org/1994511 |
| 19:05.29 | Qation | it seems like it positions them side by side |
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| 19:06.54 | somiaj | Qation: and how do you want them positioned? Your serverlayout only idenitifes a single screen, usually another screen is defined relative to the first, "Screen 1 "name" leftof "screen 0 name" |
| 19:07.07 | somiaj | Qation: but I'd look at google. |
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| 19:09.26 | ujjain | ompaul: bookmarked! |
| 19:09.29 | Qation | somiaj: So i can do "Screen 0 "0-DFP1" leftof "0-CRT2" ? |
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| 19:10.15 | somiaj | Qation: goto google, I don't want to look it up. |
| 19:10.39 | Qation | I'm looking at an example |
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| 19:16.05 | Zambezi | I recorded a clip with my cellphone. Unfortunately it's *.3gp and I have no sound. Output here: http://pastebin.ca/2072434 What is the missing packages? |
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| 19:17.13 | somiaj | Zambezi: check multimedia.debian.org, seems line 25 is what you should paste in google to hunt down that codec -- it could be non-free or just not in debian. |
| 19:17.21 | CRB | Zambezi seems some problem with libavcodec |
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| 19:18.46 | Zambezi | somiaj: There's nothing with libamr except some ruby xml/xhtml templates. |
| 19:19.06 | babilen | Zambezi: Does this happen with vlc too? |
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| 19:19.40 | somiaj | Zambezi: seems I get plenty of hits copying/pasting line 25 in to google, including some bug reports, read though thtem |
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| 19:22.32 | babilen | Zambezi: You are missing the AMR codecs (as per http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/codecs-status.html) -- It might be that the mplayer packages from dmm are compiled with this codec. |
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| 19:24.41 | babilen | Zambezi: See discussion of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370599 |
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| 19:26.30 | babilen | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 19:26.30 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.2-3; wheezy: 4:0.6.2-3; experimental: 4:0.7~beta2-2; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.6.2-0.1; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6.2-0.4 |
| 19:27.07 | babilen | Zambezi: It is fixed in 0.6 which you can get from squeeze-multimedia (i.e. dmm) |
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| 19:28.06 | Black_Prince | Are opencore-amr{nb,wb} able to play 3GPP ? |
| 19:28.35 | Zambezi | babilen: Thanks. I have to think about it. I like to stick to only Debian's repos if possible. |
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| 19:29.19 | Black_Prince | Yup, it is possible with Totem |
| 19:29.56 | babilen | Zambezi: The packages in dmm are maintained by a Debian Developer, but you could probably also try to backport the package from sid (/msg dpkg ssb) or use a different player. |
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| 19:30.27 | Zambezi | babilen: It's no sound in VLC either. |
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| 19:50.43 | jacksond | does the command setxkbmap work on other linux distros, debian, as well? |
| 19:51.28 | simonlnu | yes... |
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| 19:51.33 | daemonkeeper | setxkbmap is a plain old X11 program and therefore available almost everywhere |
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| 19:51.48 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 19:51.55 | jacksond | cool figured |
| 19:52.15 | jacksond | needed to change the layout but nobody would tell me that :( |
| 19:52.36 | daemonkeeper | That's not the preferred way to do |
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| 19:52.57 | jacksond | its basically the only way of doing it on this distro, crunchbang, atleast i think |
| 19:53.01 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: and fucking impossible to get available options for |
| 19:53.32 | jacksond | you can get options if you go into the file |
| 19:53.37 | jacksond | its fairly decent |
| 19:53.58 | jelly-home | strings `which setxkbmap` is NOT good documentation |
| 19:54.16 | daemonkeeper | For random X11 that's fairly well documented! |
| 19:54.21 | daemonkeeper | +a |
| 19:54.24 | daemonkeeper | +program |
| 19:54.38 | jacksond | hm well if you were to go into /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst |
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| 19:54.49 | jacksond | it describes most of them pretty well |
| 19:54.56 | jelly-home | jacksond: that's not documentation either |
| 19:54.57 | simonlnu | larts daemonkeeper with some troff macros |
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| 19:55.18 | jacksond | oh |
| 19:55.53 | jelly-home | jacksond: I'm thankful for KDE's kxkb, though. It's a nice interface that provides the full setxkbmap command line for what it's doing |
| 19:56.12 | simonlnu | yeh, that's pretty sweet |
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| 19:57.01 | simonlnu | 'cause when you -print it out, it's nothing like the cli options... |
| 19:57.13 | jacksond | i wanted something more temporary, like loadkeys. it says it couldnt get a file descriptor reffering to the console |
| 19:57.24 | simonlnu | (you can deduce it, but it's fricking esoteric) |
| 19:57.24 | jelly-home | still xmodmap allows for much finer tuning |
| 19:57.31 | jacksond | do i have to add something? |
| 19:57.41 | simonlnu | loadkeys won't work in x |
| 19:57.55 | jelly-home | jacksond: setxkbmap is temporary, applying only to the current session |
| 19:58.10 | jelly-home | jacksond: wait... X or console? |
| 19:58.11 | jacksond | oh well thats good aswell |
| 19:58.16 | jacksond | X |
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| 19:58.27 | simonlnu | 'as well' |
| 19:58.39 | jelly-home | simonlnu: that's |
| 19:58.46 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: yeah, I'll update it later this summer when I get some more experience with krb5+nfs |
| 19:58.48 | simonlnu | that too ;p |
| 19:58.49 | jelly-home | simonlnu: and a comma! |
| 19:59.00 | simonlnu | ;) |
| 19:59.04 | jacksond | thank you grammar nazi :/ |
| 19:59.29 | simonlnu | points at jelly-home |
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| 20:00.47 | wolfric | What would i use if i wanted to create a system tray icon with a drop down menu and feedback (similar to what the gnome network manager does) |
| 20:01.18 | thewanderer1 | wolfric: umm... GTK2? |
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| 20:03.16 | jelly-home | Qt! |
| 20:03.30 | jelly-home | equally unhelpful |
| 20:03.56 | thewanderer1 | well, there are bindings for Python, PHP and a few other scripting languages |
| 20:04.23 | daemonkeeper | Plasma::Applet? ;) |
| 20:05.36 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: is that... Perl? |
| 20:06.04 | daemonkeeper | No, indeed the system tray widget in KDE libs (KDE 4) |
| 20:06.21 | daemonkeeper | C++ therefore |
| 20:06.32 | jelly-home | I didn't know C++ had :: |
| 20:06.37 | daemonkeeper | In namespaces |
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| 20:07.17 | daemonkeeper | I have no clue about the Gnome/GTK counter part, wolfric was asking. |
| 20:08.08 | babilen | I'm sure #gtk (irc.gnome.org) knows more about this :) |
| 20:09.17 | thewanderer1 | when it came to graphical stuff... Debian is not implementing Wayland, is it? |
| 20:09.45 | Franklin | ??? |
| 20:10.05 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: At least not adapting. Maybe someone will package it at some point |
| 20:10.27 | thewanderer1 | good. I want my X forwarding to keep working :P |
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| 20:10.55 | simonlnu | wayland? |
| 20:11.13 | daemonkeeper | simonlnu: Ubuntu's latest crazy plan. A X11 replacement |
| 20:11.16 | ZykoticK9 | simonlnu, Ubuntu is replacing X with Wayland starting with 11.04... |
| 20:11.21 | simonlnu | ... |
| 20:11.42 | daemonkeeper | Well, to be honest X11 needs to replaced. |
| 20:11.44 | jelly-home | ZykoticK9: nope. |
| 20:11.58 | daemonkeeper | Indeed, no. You mean unity perhaps |
| 20:12.16 | Black_Prince | Ubuntu itself needs to be replaced. |
| 20:12.24 | jelly-home | unity is just their netbook interface + some compiz nicety |
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| 20:12.43 | daemonkeeper | It replaces however the default Gnome desktop in 11.04 afaict |
| 20:12.51 | ZykoticK9 | jelly-home, doesn't unity run onto of wayland? or was that pushed back until 11.10? |
| 20:12.52 | jelly-home | and it's still fucking X |
| 20:12.53 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: the only thing that needs to be fixed now is XACE, or lack thereof... writing a keylogger is like 2 lines of bash O.o |
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| 20:13.17 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: There is a lot of old legacy crap and dead code tracks no one cares anymore. |
| 20:13.47 | jelly-home | ZykoticK9: this isn't the right channel for that discussion. join #debian-offtopic if you want my opinion |
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| 20:41.55 | wolfric | Just one of those things, but it'd be nice if debian had a keyboard shortcut for terminal out of the box... |
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| 20:42.14 | thewanderer1 | alt+f2 gnome-terminal :) |
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| 20:42.32 | thewanderer1 | (or ctrl+alt+f1 if you want this kind of) |
| 20:42.42 | jelly-home | alt-f2 start typing rxv press enter |
| 20:43.07 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: KDE's Alt-F2 is a bit nicer and guesses things for you |
| 20:43.33 | jelly-home | Unity's Win key guesses even more |
| 20:43.40 | thewanderer1 | I know... I use GNOME because evolution and pidgin work here, as opposed to KMail and Kopete which sometimes don't :P |
| 20:43.59 | thewanderer1 | waiting for next KDE release to the repos to fix things |
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| 20:44.16 | jelly-home | oh, I don't upgrade mine if things work |
| 20:44.45 | jelly-home | it's at 4.4-4.5 |
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| 20:45.48 | thewanderer1 | yeah, it's my borked settings but I don't like to remove .kde to fix things I didn't knowingly break :P |
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| 20:46.52 | jelly-home | !kernel |
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| 20:47.40 | wolfric | thewanderer1: that's not a keyboard shortcut |
| 20:48.20 | wolfric | thewanderer. That's like saying "clear" is a hotkey for clear when ctrl+l is really a hotkey |
| 20:48.43 | thewanderer1 | yeah well, you can set your own if you have a spare key :P |
| 20:49.11 | thewanderer1 | the reason is probably that global shortcuts might conflict with applications' settings |
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| 20:49.33 | wolfric | thewanderer1: that's nonsense, debian has plenty of global keyboard shortcuts |
| 20:49.44 | jelly-home | wolfric: s/debian/gnome/ |
| 20:50.09 | jelly-home | and a separate set of global shortcuts for KDE, xfce, etc |
| 20:50.10 | thewanderer1 | yeah, that's why claiming new ones is troublesome |
| 20:50.20 | wolfric | jelly-home: debian's customisations or non customisations. If it was a big deal debian would have removed it |
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| 20:50.53 | jelly-home | wolfric: Alt-F2 is a shortcut, let |
| 20:50.56 | jelly-home | s be clear |
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| 20:52.59 | wolfric | I have another unrelated question though if that's alright, i installed slapd (apt-get install slapd) but when i did dpkg-reconfigure slapd i got the menus i wanted (such as domain name, ou and database backend etc). Is there something set to make installs trigger full or minimum customisation? I assume since it asked me for an admin password that there's some sort of trigger for customisation? |
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| 20:56.18 | ricardo744 | hello |
| 20:58.10 | ricardo744 | dding a domain to the dns the server start to give some issues we tryed to restart the bind (vice...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused failed! Starting domain name service...: bind failed! ), try to restart again and apache2 doesnt work ( sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart httpd not running, trying to start (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address ...:443 no listening sockets available, shutting down Un |
| 20:58.34 | jmarsden | wolfric: I think you can use the -p and -f (priority and frontend) options to dpkg-reconfigure to affect which questions are asked and how they are handled... man 7 debconf for some info |
| 20:59.26 | nsadmin | dding dns domain? |
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| 20:59.48 | nsadmin | using dd on a domain? |
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| 21:00.48 | jelly-home | gives nsadmin an A letter |
| 21:00.50 | wolfric | jmarsden: I'm wondering is there a way to get them on apt-get install or what is triggering only half of the config options on install and not the others |
| 21:01.04 | ricardo744 | adding |
| 21:01.09 | ricardo744 | sorry |
| 21:01.12 | nsadmin | got a A! |
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| 21:02.12 | nsadmin | well if your machine is using a dns running on itself, things that need dns to start (some configurations of apache2 for example) |
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| 21:02.43 | nsadmin | then that dns needs to be working for things that need dns |
| 21:03.09 | jmarsden | wolfric: Same principle... see /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf or thereabouts for whether or not apt uses debconf during install... |
| 21:03.44 | nsadmin | (but, address already in use is a weird msg to see) |
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| 21:05.15 | nsadmin | still... either get your dns working first... or test by setting /etc/resolv.conf to a known working name server and try again |
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| 21:06.08 | nsadmin | if your dns is serving a domain that's not on the internet, then the latter test will fail, and you only have the former as an option |
| 21:06.41 | jonesst1 | i would check the named log for the error |
| 21:06.41 | nsadmin | likely, you have errors in your zone files |
| 21:07.14 | jonesst1 | hmm if its a zone thing usually the zone only wont load....but the log should say |
| 21:07.30 | nsadmin | notes in passing that "#" is not a bind zone file comment character... ";" is |
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| 21:07.43 | ricardo744 | my server is on server4you dedicated.ohh the zone file!! |
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| 21:08.18 | nsadmin | ok, and you're running a dns on it? |
| 21:08.26 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Um... |
| 21:08.36 | omes | I've got a really weird problem... |
| 21:08.48 | Bop | ,versions kernel |
| 21:08.48 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
| 21:08.56 | ricardo744 | bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused failed! |
| 21:09.10 | nsadmin | Bop, /msg judd kernels |
| 21:09.14 | omes | my mouse pointer is corrupted, that is it's there but part of it has been removed and placed at the end of it (the icon itself). but it works like normal |
| 21:09.14 | jonesst1 | apt-cache search linux |
| 21:09.20 | Bop | ok thanks |
| 21:09.26 | omes | this is on debian testing with radeon graphics |
| 21:10.00 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: ; is a terminator, not a comment sign. |
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| 21:10.08 | omes | anyone experienced this before? I'm thinking it might be the driver, and that's next on my list to check out |
| 21:10.27 | Bop | nsadmin, u know what package is , for using rmadison tool ? |
| 21:10.28 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt, oh... which is sometimes used as comment? |
| 21:10.29 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Ah, you mean the db files. |
| 21:10.40 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: It's a comment in db's. |
| 21:10.43 | nsadmin | yes |
| 21:10.53 | jhutchins_lt | My current conf file uses / for comments. |
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| 21:11.07 | nsadmin | wow :) bold move.... |
| 21:11.20 | jonesst1 | apt-cache search linux |grep linux |
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| 21:13.17 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Ok, thought so: # is valid in named.conf |
| 21:13.25 | nsadmin | yes |
| 21:13.32 | nsadmin | but not in zone files |
| 21:13.34 | ricardo744 | bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused failed! |
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| 21:14.00 | nsadmin | ricardo744, the actual problem is likely logged before that |
| 21:14.50 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Do you know where that's documented? |
| 21:15.09 | nsadmin | well DNS and BIND for one place |
| 21:15.38 | ricardo744 | ok reading.. |
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| 21:18.34 | asdqwew | hi all, i have virtualbox ose installed but recently i needed to install my usb printer in an xp guest and i found out ose does not have usb support, now .. can i install oracle virtualbox deb from their site without ruining my ose install ? |
| 21:19.04 | thewanderer1 | asdqwew: probably not |
| 21:19.30 | Franklin | remove ose use oracle |
| 21:19.31 | asdqwew | sucks |
| 21:19.53 | Franklin | or maybe use xen / kvm ? |
| 21:19.56 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: O'Reilly? |
| 21:20.00 | asdqwew | anyway can i install an usb printer in virtualbox ? |
| 21:20.26 | Franklin | also u can use usb2ethernet |
| 21:20.35 | thewanderer1 | Windows XP supports IPP as far as I know - you should be able to link up to a CUPS |
| 21:20.56 | asdqwew | tooo much trouble for a silly thing |
| 21:20.58 | asdqwew | :) |
| 21:21.19 | asdqwew | well thanks, bye |
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| 21:32.16 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt, yes! really! |
| 21:32.32 | nsadmin | j/k. yes, the o'ra book. |
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| 21:33.16 | jhutchins_lt | Pretty sure I've got that somewhere. |
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| 21:35.43 | jhutchins_lt | That or The Bind 9 Administrator's Guide referenced in the man pages and presumably on-line somewhere. |
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| 21:56.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Is it stable enough to use the "proposed-updates" branch with Debian Stable? |
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| 21:58.33 | _KaszpiR_ | shhhit |
| 21:58.54 | _KaszpiR_ | how to fix file permissions to default in /var/ |
| 21:59.12 | _KaszpiR_ | the directory was copied without preserving permissions |
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| 21:59.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | _KaszpiR_: /var has rwxr-xr-x |
| 21:59.44 | _KaszpiR_ | yeah i mean with all subdirectories |
| 22:00.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | chmod -R 755 /var will do |
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| 22:02.19 | mdik | 4.6 |
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| 22:03.46 | kingsley | How do you discriminate between a malicious root compromise, and a benign, possibly buggy, code? |
| 22:03.51 | warren | Hello, I am a developer on upstream spamassassin and I need a quick test from a Debian system, can someone help? |
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| 22:05.34 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/WvQu34dn machine get's pingable on the v4 IP, but not on the v6 public. the link local works, but the public assigned in /etc/network/interfaces. any clue ? |
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| 22:06.48 | warren | Is Debian still lacking multilib support, meaning parallel /usr/lib and /usr/lib64? |
| 22:06.58 | daemonkeeper | Work in progress |
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| 22:07.08 | daemonkeeper | (if you ought to mean multiarch) |
| 22:07.20 | warren | daemonkeeper, depends what is meant by multiarch |
| 22:07.45 | daemonkeeper | http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
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| 22:08.36 | warren | oh great, Debian chose to do it in a completely different way than other distros had been doing for years. |
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| 22:09.52 | warren | daemonkeeper, separate question, do some Debian users have /bin/rpm installed? |
| 22:10.00 | warren | daemonkeeper, for some (bad) reason or another? |
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| 22:10.20 | daemonkeeper | Only for bad reasons, but yes its available. |
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| 22:10.29 | Black_Prince | is debian user, but ... |
| 22:10.31 | Black_Prince | $ which rpm |
| 22:10.31 | Black_Prince | /usr/bin/rpm |
| 22:11.57 | warren | Black_Prince, nothing exists at /bin/rpm? |
| 22:12.12 | Black_Prince | No |
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| 22:12.12 | warren | Black_Prince, could you please rpm --showrc and pastebin the output for me? |
| 22:12.28 | Black_Prince | When I installed google earth, It was dependent on lsb-core, which pulls rpm binary |
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| 22:13.41 | Franklin | alien ? |
| 22:14.03 | Black_Prince | warren, http://pastebin.com/HzaUqeSy |
| 22:14.04 | daemonkeeper | That's different |
| 22:14.10 | daemonkeeper | alien converts packages |
| 22:14.11 | warren | Franklin, don't want an alien test, I want the rpm --showrc output |
| 22:14.12 | Black_Prince | Yes, alien is installed too with lsb-core package ... |
| 22:14.31 | Franklin | ahh kk |
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| 22:14.44 | warren | Black_Prince, is your system 32bit or 64bit? |
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| 22:15.07 | daemonkeeper | i386, its mentioned straight on top |
| 22:15.11 | Black_Prince | 32bit |
| 22:15.19 | warren | oh right |
| 22:15.24 | warren | ok thanks |
| 22:15.28 | Black_Prince | Idk if there is an 64bit pentium i |
| 22:15.31 | Black_Prince | pentium 4* |
| 22:15.33 | tehrabbitt | I'm trying to install my new laser printer with my debian laptop running the latest in wheezy, i've tried installing "CUPS" but it says it's already installed, yet I can't access it via localhost:631 |
| 22:15.36 | tehrabbitt | any ideas? |
| 22:15.46 | tehrabbitt | Black_Prince, : no such thing as a 64 bit P4 |
| 22:15.47 | warren | anyone have a 64bit debian system they can pastebin rpm --showrc output? |
| 22:15.57 | tehrabbitt | Pentium D there were *some* x64 bit |
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| 22:16.07 | tehrabbitt | warren, I do hold on |
| 22:16.09 | mdik | tehrabbitt: is cups running? ps aux|grep cups |
| 22:16.12 | warren | tehrabbitt, thx! |
| 22:16.19 | Black_Prince | Well, mine is Pentium 4, but mentions something like prescott ... |
| 22:16.34 | Black_Prince | SSE3 support or something |
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| 22:16.44 | daemonkeeper | SSE3 is not related to AMD64 |
| 22:16.52 | daemonkeeper | You want lm (long mode) |
| 22:17.28 | tehrabbitt | warren, http://pastebin.com/KErLrqhh |
| 22:17.30 | tehrabbitt | there ya go |
| 22:17.36 | tehrabbitt | mdik, lemme check |
| 22:18.08 | warren | tehrabbitt, interesting, it thinks _libdir is /usr/lib64 |
| 22:18.11 | warren | tehrabbitt, but that's wrong on Debian right? |
| 22:18.26 | tehrabbitt | not exactly sure |
| 22:18.30 | tehrabbitt | mdik, root 1835 0.0 0.0 75504 3248 ? Ss 17:34 0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -C /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 22:18.30 | warren | tehrabbitt, nothing exists at /bin/rpm correct? |
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| 22:18.39 | tehrabbitt | correct |
| 22:18.45 | tehrabbitt | /bin/rpm doesn't exist |
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| 22:18.48 | warren | tehrabbitt, does anything exist in /usr/lib64 ? |
| 22:19.01 | tehrabbitt | yes |
| 22:19.16 | warren | "find" and pastebin the contents of /usr/lib64 please |
| 22:19.22 | tehrabbitt | root@Tux:~# ls /usr/lib64/ |
| 22:19.22 | tehrabbitt | Display all 1904 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 22:19.31 | daemonkeeper | warren: /usr/lib64 is the common (though deprecated) library install path. These days its symlinked to /usr/lib |
| 22:19.44 | mdik | tehrabbitt: so i cant help you. one thing i'd do without knowing what to do with it is: nmap localhost to see if cups is listening on 631 |
| 22:19.47 | Black_Prince | Debian is multilib system ... It has /usr/lib64 and /usr/lib32 ... /usr/lib is symlink to /usr/lib64 |
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| 22:19.56 | warren | oh |
| 22:20.02 | Franklin | lib64 points to lib ?! lib64 -> lib/ |
| 22:20.06 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 22:20.19 | tehrabbitt | mdik, that's an idea |
| 22:20.37 | foetus | :) |
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| 22:20.58 | Franklin | warren, still need rpm --showrc? |
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| 22:21.13 | warren | Franklin, no, but thank you |
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| 22:21.25 | Franklin | kk |
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| 22:22.01 | tehrabbitt | i know if I try to "add printer" using kde, i get an error (most likely since i'm not root) |
| 22:22.48 | tehrabbitt | even stranger 631/tcp open ipp |
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| 22:26.10 | tehrabbitt | btw, the only "bug" i see as really annoying in wheezy right now is the audio giltch |
| 22:26.24 | tehrabbitt | that it stays "muted" until something creates a sound, but then there's no way to unmute . remute it |
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| 22:27.48 | tehrabbitt | anyone here have any ideas on how to get cups working? |
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| 22:28.28 | mdik | tehrabbitt: try different browser first |
| 22:29.14 | tehrabbitt | mdik, i've tried chrome, iceweasel, and kommander |
| 22:29.14 | Franklin | tehrabbitt, sudo netstat -pant | grep 631 |
| 22:29.41 | tehrabbitt | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 15418/cupsd |
| 22:29.41 | tehrabbitt | tcp6 0 0 ::1:631 :::* LISTEN 15418/cupsd |
| 22:29.45 | Franklin | chrome works |
| 22:29.56 | Franklin | http://127.0.0.1:631/ |
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| 22:30.20 | Franklin | opera and iceweasel too |
| 22:30.54 | tehrabbitt | god i'm an idiot -_- |
| 22:31.03 | tehrabbitt | forgot I had a proxy set :-\ |
| 22:31.06 | Franklin | lol |
| 22:31.12 | tehrabbitt | didn't add "localhost" to excluded sites |
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| 22:31.19 | Franklin | always exclude ... oha |
| 22:31.23 | tehrabbitt | Heh |
| 22:31.33 | tehrabbitt | now at least I can get to the web interface lol |
| 22:32.22 | tehrabbitt | Franklin, how hard is it to install a printer once i'm connected to the web interface? lol |
| 22:32.48 | Franklin | tehrabbitt, depends on printer ... my canon was just some clicks |
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| 22:35.26 | tehrabbitt | ITS ALIVE!! |
| 22:35.26 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 22:35.32 | Franklin | not so hard ? wasn´t it ? |
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| 22:37.07 | tehrabbitt | Franklin, not as hard as getting my dell 1710 working :-\ |
| 22:37.23 | tehrabbitt | lol i was tempted to install drivers for that one again but i'm not feeling patient |
| 22:37.32 | tehrabbitt | the HP works for now till i have time to waste lol |
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| 22:57.19 | infinity0 | how do i get the /dev/loop0p1* etc devices to show up? |
| 22:57.28 | infinity0 | sfdisk -u is showing them but /dev isn't |
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| 23:04.23 | Black_Prince | infinity0, /dev/loopx devices? |
| 23:04.36 | infinity0 | no, loopback partitions |
| 23:04.48 | Black_Prince | is loop module loaded? lsmod | grep loop |
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| 23:10.57 | infinity0 | i already have a loopback device for a file on disk representing a disk image |
| 23:11.52 | doublehp | infinity0: wait 10s |
| 23:11.57 | infinity0 | i've added a partition table to the image, and ran blockdev --rereadpt, but the partitions still don't show up |
| 23:11.58 | infinity0 | kk ty |
| 23:12.25 | infinity0 | oh you mean for the devices to appear? they still don't |
| 23:12.44 | doublehp | infinity0: you need to pass this to kernel options: << loop.max_part=63 max_part=63 >> |
| 23:12.55 | infinity0 | both of them? |
| 23:13.01 | doublehp | infinity0: the manual way is to use offsets. |
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| 23:13.58 | doublehp | infinity0: you can mount partitions with ... here is my fstab line to mount a filesystem that is nhidden in a partition; i have two FS in the same partition: /dev/sdc1 /mnt/doublehp ext4 loop,offset=10000000 0 2 |
| 23:13.59 | infinity0 | doublehp: i need to restart? or can i just modprobe it into the loop module |
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| 23:14.26 | doublehp | infinity0: or, the second way to access the same place on my disk: << losetup -o 10000000 /dev/loop5 /dev/sdc1 >> + << /dev/loop5 /mnt/doublehp ext4 defaults 0 2 >> |
| 23:14.36 | doublehp | infinity0: restart/modprobe => no clue |
| 23:14.41 | infinity0 | ok |
| 23:14.45 | infinity0 | thanks, i'll try that |
| 23:14.50 | doublehp | infinity0: i d say reboot. BUT ... |
| 23:15.24 | doublehp | infinity0: i insist on the fact that you do not need loop to auto create nodes: if you know the offset, you can access it without loopnpm |
| 23:15.42 | infinity0 | yeah but isn't that a hack? |
| 23:15.49 | infinity0 | and it's nicer to have actual device files? |
| 23:16.00 | doublehp | infinity0: no, it's the old manual way before the kernel module was written |
| 23:16.15 | doublehp | infinity0: and you probably also need to rebuild kernel ! |
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| 23:16.54 | doublehp | infinity0: 3 methods may look similar to you, but each one has specific advantages |
| 23:17.14 | infinity0 | doublehp: i would prefer something that can be added to a script |
| 23:17.21 | infinity0 | finding out offsets is a bit tedious |
| 23:17.30 | infinity0 | but then again adding stuff to the kernel line isn't scriptable |
| 23:17.34 | doublehp | infinity0: loop.max_part is only usefull when you loop a FILE; in my case, it can not work |
| 23:17.48 | infinity0 | right, that's what i'm doing |
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| 23:18.08 | doublehp | infinity0: trying to acce to partitions in raw disk images is scriptable: the offset has the length of the partition table |
| 23:18.32 | doublehp | infinity0: in many cases, loop.max_part may fail to discover the disk properly. |
| 23:18.59 | doublehp | but as long as it works for you ... i just answer your question :) - no reason to refuse :) or even discourage |
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| 23:19.15 | infinity0 | cool, i will try that, thanks a lot :) |
| 23:19.25 | infinity0 | also, do you know where i would be able to find documentation on that option? |
| 23:19.27 | doublehp | infinity0: offsets are well known; just math |
| 23:19.37 | doublehp | kernel arguments are kernel arguments. |
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| 23:19.51 | doublehp | why would you refuse to add kernel args ? |
| 23:20.21 | doublehp | you just add thjose two words, then there is magick, and it SHOULD discover all raw disk images for you |
| 23:20.29 | infinity0 | doublehp: i mean, you can't put that into a script, you have to manually add the args, then restart your computer |
| 23:20.38 | infinity0 | i had hoped it would be default |
| 23:20.41 | doublehp | you don't |
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| 23:20.54 | doublehp | you put those two words, reboot once, and enjoy |
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| 23:21.38 | doublehp | mounting loop file is done later, and is scriptable; but script have to check if the devnode for sub-partition have been discovered |
| 23:22.18 | doublehp | y may need CONFIG_BLOCK + CONFIG_BLOCK_COMPAT and maybe some other ones |
| 23:22.29 | doublehp | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP |
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| 23:23.15 | infinity0 | hmm, i'll have to see what's best for my case |
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| 23:23.37 | infinity0 | thanks for pointing me in the right direction, anyways :) |
| 23:23.37 | doublehp | but computing offsets is very easy |
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| 23:23.57 | infinity0 | how? |
| 23:24.06 | doublehp | know by heart :) |
| 23:24.12 | infinity0 | just the number "start=" and "size=" that sfdisk says? |
| 23:24.15 | infinity0 | lol |
| 23:24.20 | doublehp | the first partition in a disk is ALWAYS at the same place |
| 23:24.37 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: unless you start at sector 8 like me :) |
| 23:24.56 | doublehp | thewanderer1: go to hell :) why would you ? |
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| 23:26.03 | doublehp | 32256 is a common offset |
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| 23:26.51 | infinity0 | is offset in bytes? |
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| 23:27.23 | doublehp | said offset |
| 23:27.23 | infinity0 | also, slightly unrelated, is there a way, given a partition device, to work out the parent device? |
| 23:27.28 | thewanderer1 | doublehp: GRUB complained ;P |
| 23:27.35 | Black_Prince | With every new kernel release there seems to be more of those anoying "Invalid RAW Edid" kernel messages in kern.log for i915 module. |
| 23:28.11 | doublehp | infinity0: for physical, no; for raw images, yes you can extract the partition, to save room if you don't need other pârtitions of disk |
| 23:28.47 | infinity0 | right, ok |
| 23:28.55 | doublehp | Black_Prince: not kernel, Xorg. complain x team, and they will tell you to complain to monitor manifacturer |
| 23:29.12 | Black_Prince | On boot, after grub menu |
| 23:29.19 | doublehp | same |
| 23:29.24 | Black_Prince | I see 50 lines of those when is plymouth about to start |
| 23:29.32 | doublehp | the root problem is your monitor manif |
| 23:29.36 | Black_Prince | More like drm issue |
| 23:29.42 | doublehp | Edid is required to set up FB |
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| 23:29.54 | doublehp | no edid, no FB, or just use default and pray monitor is compatible |
| 23:30.11 | Black_Prince | It's fujitsu siemens ... |
| 23:30.12 | doublehp | DRM is known to break RFC ... |
| 23:30.23 | doublehp | don't buy DRM capable hardware |
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| 23:31.32 | Black_Prince | grep i915 /var/log/kern.log | wc -l |
| 23:31.32 | Black_Prince | 108 |
| 23:31.39 | Black_Prince | Only for last boot session |
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