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| 00:14.31 | Abddu | I fail at googling: how do I check when a certain user was logged in remotely (ssh)? |
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| 00:15.45 | Abddu | daemon: Thanks. So easy, yet so freaking hard to google. :D |
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| 00:26.23 | smugglerinc | Do acpi action scripts require anything beyond just running a program? |
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| 00:46.32 | t3a | Hey, I'm trying to get xrandr to work but it keeps giving me the error message: xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1440x1440 (desired size 2880x900) After running the command: xrandr --output DFP3 --left-of DFP4 |
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| 00:48.27 | arturo393 | i do not undestand , i have this line in mi fstab /dev/sdb1/ /home/arturo/celular/memoria vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 , the mount -a and i cannot write in the memory |
| 00:48.49 | arturo393 | what am i doing wrong ?? |
| 00:49.00 | t3a | I tried adding a "Visual" section, but I don't see where in the xorg.conf file to put it. here is mine: http://pastebin.com/jdhDs5zC |
| 00:50.04 | arturo393 | any ideas ?? |
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| 00:50.35 | somiaj | arturo393: /dev/sdb1/ is not a directory, that trailing slash could cause errors |
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| 00:51.07 | arturo393 | somiaj: i does not , cause i can see the directory |
| 00:51.55 | somiaj | arturo393: well I have never seen /dev/sdb1 be any more than a device node, and not a directory |
| 00:52.54 | somiaj | arturo393: there could be other device settings that don't allow you to write to the device, check dmseg or the logs for info on the device. |
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| 01:18.39 | Abddu | Wow... these hackers never sleep. Started ssh server only today and I've been already bruteforced twice by Chinese IPs. :D |
| 01:18.55 | pipeline | Abddu: I run ssh on a non-standard port whenever possible |
| 01:19.09 | pipeline | Abddu: I have no illusions that it helps actual security, but it sure saves me time looking at garbage in the logs |
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| 01:19.57 | Abddu | pipeline: That's actually a good idea. Any particular port range I should avoid for that? |
| 01:19.59 | EagleRock | Abddu: you might want to look into denyhosts to stop that |
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| 01:20.23 | pipeline | Abddu: just use any port other than 22 |
| 01:20.27 | pipeline | Abddu: I usually use 2222 |
| 01:20.32 | pipeline | Abddu: because it is easy to remember |
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| 01:23.36 | Abddu | pipeline: Good idea, will be easy for users. |
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| 01:27.31 | pav5088 | Is there an apt-get install switch (eg. some kind of -o option) that will change the kinds of configuration questions asked? eg. low, critical, high etc.. priority |
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| 01:28.29 | pav5088 | I don't want to have to dpkg-reconfigure debconf every time... |
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| 01:33.40 | wols_ | pav5088: have you tried DEBIAN_PRIORITY? |
| 01:35.03 | pav5088 | wols_, I've tried setting the environment variable (eg. DEBIAN_PRIORITY="low") and then running an apt-get install... didn't seem to work. |
| 01:36.08 | pav5088 | actually... it was DEBCONF_PRIORITY |
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| 01:37.51 | dspace | After changing my ssh port from 22 to something else, I went from 3-4 random login attempts a week to zero in the last year. Sure, if someone is specifically targeting you, they can easily find the port, but in my experience, changing it blocks 100% of random login attempts |
| 01:37.58 | dspace | One less thing to worry about, anyway |
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| 01:39.51 | stew | 3-4 a week? where have you been hiding your ip address? in a 1918 block? |
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| 01:42.21 | nevyn | likes using 443 mostly because stupid corporate proxies allow CONNECT 443 |
| 01:42.46 | nevyn | and are too stupid to realise it's not ssl traffic. |
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| 02:05.50 | ksx4system | is it possible to use module assistant with custom (newer than stock one) kernel installed? |
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| 02:08.27 | Holborn | mail |
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| 02:11.38 | Abddu | Every singl bruteforce attack came a moment after I mentioned ssh on this channel. :D |
| 02:11.53 | Abddu | sends greeting to hackers from Italy and China. :D |
| 02:13.29 | EagleRock | Abddu: lol |
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| 02:16.33 | wols_ | ksx4system: yes, however, nowadays it's all mostly dkms |
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| 02:22.17 | tensorpudding | ssh bruteforcing, how silly |
| 02:22.58 | tensorpudding | does anyone get compromised that way |
| 02:24.55 | jonesst1 | yes they do |
| 02:25.03 | Abddu | Rather than trying to login as root they sniff for other usernames: test, test1, ..., transmission, fluffy and so on. :) |
| 02:25.08 | EagleRock | tensorpudding: probably people with passwords like "aaaaab" :-) |
| 02:25.21 | jonesst1 | password6 for june is popular |
| 02:25.29 | Lesterwood | hello guys |
| 02:25.35 | Lesterwood | installing debian for the first time next week |
| 02:25.38 | Lesterwood | any advice? |
| 02:25.42 | Lesterwood | things to watch out for |
| 02:25.42 | tensorpudding | yeah, i figure that the biggest losers are those with unconfigured unlocked service accounts |
| 02:26.04 | KBme | you'd be surprised |
| 02:26.15 | KBme | even serious people sometime forget a 'test' account |
| 02:26.25 | KBme | or a test machine with a 1234 root password |
| 02:26.27 | jonesst1 | lesterwood not really the lvm is fun to set, not |
| 02:26.27 | dspace | 1-2-3-4-5? That's amazing. I have the same combination on my luggage! |
| 02:26.50 | KBme | happens all the time |
| 02:26.52 | Lesterwood | lvm? |
| 02:27.00 | jonesst1 | logical volume manager |
| 02:27.05 | jonesst1 | disk layout |
| 02:27.13 | Lesterwood | you mean the partitioning? |
| 02:27.15 | EagleRock | makes a note to change the combination on his luggage |
| 02:27.20 | KBme | otherwise they usually just try 1234 and 123456 |
| 02:27.23 | jonesst1 | you can get a live cd of debian now... |
| 02:27.30 | jonesst1 | partitioning, yes |
| 02:27.30 | KBme | and they actually manage pretty well |
| 02:27.30 | dvs | Lesterwood: read the install guide? |
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| 02:27.54 | Lesterwood | dvs nonsense! iv'e installed arch and redhat before |
| 02:27.55 | dspace | I would definitely recommend testing with a live cd before installing |
| 02:28.03 | ksx4system | wols_: so... when 3.0 will reach stable status (no -rc after number) it'll be possible to compile, install and re-run module assistant (i need it because of Broadcom wi-fi card)? |
| 02:28.12 | Lesterwood | dspace, its just a computer if fuck around with, not concerned if something goes wrong |
| 02:28.20 | dspace | Install away, then :) |
| 02:28.35 | Lesterwood | will i have to do manual config file editing |
| 02:28.37 | KBme | i've had 4000 banned ips since beginning of april, so i'd say it's a pretty serious issue |
| 02:28.58 | jonesst1 | the install should ask u enough |
| 02:28.58 | dspace | They're all the same guy using proxies |
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| 02:29.09 | KBme | no, they are not |
| 02:29.16 | KBme | they're at least 10 different guys |
| 02:29.30 | KBme | i know 'cause i have fail2ban set to forward to my honeypot |
| 02:29.38 | KBme | so i can see them tooling around |
| 02:29.39 | jonesst1 | hehehe |
| 02:29.43 | dspace | aw, I want hacker groupies |
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| 02:30.09 | jonesst1 | oooh thats sounds nice...think my wife might object though |
| 02:30.11 | dspace | Are you using Kipoo? or whatever it's called |
| 02:30.17 | KBme | yep |
| 02:30.24 | KBme | kippo |
| 02:30.29 | KBme | lol kipoo |
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| 02:34.22 | dspace | There was a blog called You Hack, We Laugh that showed the results of that. It only had 3 posts when I saw it and hadn't been updated in forever, but the 3 it had were funny |
| 02:35.09 | KBme | yeah, they are pretty funny |
| 02:35.19 | KBme | i have loads of logs |
| 02:35.22 | dspace | here it is: http://iwatchedyourhack.org/ Last update, August 2010 |
| 02:36.06 | dspace | Looks like it has a bunch of new ones, though. I must have seen it over a year ago |
| 02:36.26 | KBme | thanks |
| 02:36.34 | dspace | Or maybe it had that many at the time. I don't remember :) |
| 02:36.53 | Abddu | EagleRock: Thanks for suggestion, installed denyhosts, nice app. #debian is proceless. (Now changing ssh port) |
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| 02:37.34 | dspace | When you watch it, you realize most of these hackers are script kiddies that can barely type and literally just copy/paste commands they found somewhere |
| 02:37.40 | KBme | yep |
| 02:37.43 | jonesst1 | yep |
| 02:37.49 | KBme | usually just wget a rootkit |
| 02:37.52 | KBme | and use that |
| 02:38.02 | KBme | they also test bandwidth |
| 02:39.13 | KBme | hahah this replay is hilarious |
| 02:39.16 | KBme | they changed useradd |
| 02:39.28 | KBme | http://iwatchedyourhack.org/node/8 |
| 02:40.27 | dspace | That guy doesn't even know about tab completion |
| 02:40.41 | dspace | That's like a day 1 command line lesson |
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| 02:41.35 | KBme | honeypots usually don't have tab completion |
| 02:42.13 | dspace | Then wouldn't that be your first clue? |
| 02:42.20 | KBme | heh tar xzfv udp.pl |
| 02:42.33 | dspace | Well, I guess if it's configured with dash or something |
| 02:42.44 | KBme | dspace, well, it can be just a very minimal system too |
| 02:42.45 | KBme | yeah |
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| 02:44.03 | dspace | 5 minutes with dash convinced me that the extra 4 MB it takes to run bash is well worth it, even on 128 MB box |
| 02:47.04 | KBme | yeah |
| 02:47.17 | KBme | but if you automate deployment and stuff |
| 02:47.23 | KBme | you don't really use the shell |
| 02:47.27 | KBme | so you don't really care |
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| 02:52.23 | KBme | thanks for the link |
| 02:52.38 | KBme | i wish they would share their software, i'd love to share some gems myselg |
| 02:52.42 | KBme | myself* |
| 02:53.29 | KBme | ã |
| 02:53.32 | KBme | good night |
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| 02:54.40 | dspace | nn |
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| 03:15.50 | mrdeb | is there a good power manager tray utility thats low resource |
| 03:16.33 | mrdeb | how do you completely remove older kernel after switching to testing? |
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| 03:20.22 | EagleRock | mrdeb: you can uninstall the package for it |
| 03:20.38 | wols_ | mrdeb: you uninstall them with the same program you used to install it |
| 03:21.07 | mrdeb | wols_: i upgraded to testing and it installed automatically |
| 03:21.21 | mrdeb | i hten removed linux-image 2.6.32 with aptitutde, as instructed online |
| 03:21.41 | mrdeb | but that didnt remove 200mb, only 100.mb. and now i can find the ther pieces |
| 03:22.01 | mrdeb | also, i installed synaptic, and when i removed it, i still have 70mb of space being used i dont konw where |
| 03:22.20 | wols_ | how do you know the kernel is exactly 200MB? |
| 03:22.27 | DammitJim | I just installed eclipse in my wheezy machine |
| 03:22.35 | wols_ | also: dpkg -l linux-image |
| 03:22.38 | wols_ | also: dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 03:22.40 | DammitJim | I untared the eclipse package to /opt/eclipse |
| 03:22.40 | mrdeb | wols_: i have removed them countless time in ubuntu |
| 03:22.55 | mrdeb | you first remove it from synaptic, then i do autoremove and in total it cleans up about 200mb |
| 03:23.00 | wols_ | mrdeb: sit back and think a bit before you say something like that again. please |
| 03:23.03 | mrdeb | in the testing debian, i was only able to do the first part |
| 03:23.08 | DammitJim | is that wrong? |
| 03:23.19 | mrdeb | huh |
| 03:23.19 | DammitJim | I mean, I changed the owner of the eclipse directory to my user |
| 03:23.36 | DammitJim | normally I've always just untared the eclipse package in the home directory |
| 03:23.42 | wols_ | DammitJim: that was wrong. your user normally has no reason to own anything in /opt |
| 03:23.59 | DammitJim | where should I place those types of applications? |
| 03:24.08 | wols_ | mrdeb: just cause a software has size x in some other distro says nothing about debian at all |
| 03:24.12 | mrdeb | i see a 2.6.32-34squee with that command, but cannot renmove it |
| 03:24.21 | wols_ | mrdeb: pastebin |
| 03:24.25 | mrdeb | what |
| 03:24.32 | wols_ | the output of dpkg |
| 03:24.51 | mrdeb | rc linux-image-2. 2.6.32-34squee Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs |
| 03:25.24 | dspace | Damianz: you can put them anywhere, but opt is good |
| 03:25.29 | wols_ | mrdeb: learn to interpret the "status" entries in dpkg -l output and what a pastebin is. good luck |
| 03:25.34 | DammitJim | I don't like having a bunch of directories under /home/myuser/ |
| 03:25.49 | mrdeb | .... |
| 03:25.50 | dspace | DammitJim even |
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| 03:26.16 | wols_ | mrdeb: do you know what "rc" means in the above output? |
| 03:26.25 | mrdeb | no |
| 03:26.35 | DammitJim | dspace, opt is rather odd 'cause it's owned by root |
| 03:26.36 | wols_ | exactly. that's why I told you to learn about it |
| 03:26.47 | mrdeb | the help about in dpkg is not clear |
| 03:26.53 | wols_ | DammitJim: hence why you shouldn't chown it to a user |
| 03:26.56 | dspace | DammitJim: So is /usr/bin :) |
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| 03:27.27 | DammitJim | wols_, then where is it recommended? |
| 03:27.55 | wols_ | mrdeb: it is very clear. even the output of dpkg -l itself is pretty clear and mostly self explanatory |
| 03:28.13 | wols_ | DammitJim: chown it to a user is only recommended in home directories. where else? |
| 03:28.49 | DammitJim | ok, so these types of applications that just come tar'd aren't cross-user compatible? |
| 03:28.54 | DammitJim | you have to download it per user? |
| 03:29.13 | simonlnu | if it's not installed system-wide, of course |
| 03:29.18 | wols_ | DammitJim: no. you don't read what I write but read what you want to read |
| 03:29.19 | dspace | bah, you can extract your tar file to /opt and chown it to yourself, no problem |
| 03:29.20 | mrdeb | well i dont understand |
| 03:29.29 | simonlnu | system-wide it's owned and installed by root |
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| 03:29.44 | wols_ | dspace: you can also chown /usr/bin to dspace.dspace... |
| 03:29.57 | DammitJim | wolfric, there is no reason to chown it if it's in my home directory |
| 03:30.14 | DammitJim | wols_ even |
| 03:30.17 | wols_ | DammitJim: neither is there a reason to do it in /opt, is there |
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| 03:30.42 | DammitJim | wols_ I'm asking where to put it and you've said that I should do it in my home directory |
| 03:30.43 | dspace | I've done it before. If you're the only user on your system, it doesn't matter |
| 03:30.54 | wols_ | mrdeb: for starters, "rc" means, "removed but config files still present" |
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| 03:31.05 | DammitJim | wols_, if another user needed this software, they'd have to copy it to theirs? is that how those packages work? |
| 03:31.06 | wols_ | DammitJim: I never said that |
| 03:31.10 | simonlnu | desktops/workstations and servers get different treatment |
| 03:31.17 | sweetpi | I'm having a problem getting a package to install, is just says "Unpacking libboost1.42-dev" and sits idle forever until I have to kill it. Where should I start to figure out what is going on? |
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| 03:31.31 | wols_ | sweetpi: ps aux |
| 03:31.37 | wols_ | sweetpi: possibly pstree |
| 03:31.47 | simonlnu | DammitJim: that's not how they work, that's what you'd have to do. difference. |
| 03:31.48 | DammitJim | wols_, sorry for not understanding you then... so where should I place it (not opt and not home) |
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| 03:32.14 | DammitJim | simonlnu, so, I'd have to copy the package to the other user, right? |
| 03:32.15 | simonlnu | eclipse? i put mine in /usr/local |
| 03:32.29 | wols_ | DammitJim: I never said anything ever about where to put it and have no real opinion about it either. choices are /opt /usr/local and /home. whatever you want |
| 03:32.29 | simonlnu | then everyone can have access |
| 03:32.36 | prince_jammys | DammitJim: what's wrong with /opt? |
| 03:32.43 | sweetpi | wols_: dpkg is defunct |
| 03:32.48 | wols_ | but chowning /opt packages to a special user is wrong |
| 03:32.54 | DammitJim | prince_jammys, nothing is wrong with /opt all I'm asking is where is the proper place to put it |
| 03:33.06 | wols_ | sweetpi: dpkg is irrelevant in that output. the children of it aren't |
| 03:33.19 | simonlnu | i haven't tried the debian packages since last year |
| 03:33.23 | DammitJim | the only weird thing I had to do in /opt is that I had to create the eclipse directory as root |
| 03:33.28 | DammitJim | and then chown it to my user |
| 03:33.35 | prince_jammys | why? |
| 03:33.44 | simonlnu | well duh |
| 03:33.46 | DammitJim | 'cause otherwise my user couldn't run it |
| 03:34.01 | simonlnu | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4.0K mar 27 17:19 /opt |
| 03:34.01 | prince_jammys | huh? |
| 03:34.08 | mrdeb | i noticed that when upgrading to testing, xfc4 power manager and thunar were broken with respen to suspend and auto mounting |
| 03:34.09 | DammitJim | hhhmmmmm |
| 03:34.11 | mrdeb | is this normal |
| 03:34.20 | DammitJim | maybe there was another problem and that's why it wasn't running? |
| 03:34.22 | wols_ | !tell mrdeb about testing |
| 03:34.24 | simonlnu | what? you probably don't have an /opt/bin or such in your PATH |
| 03:34.31 | DammitJim | brb |
| 03:34.38 | prince_jammys | chown wouldn't have helped there |
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| 03:34.44 | simonlnu | no kidding |
| 03:34.47 | prince_jammys | anyway, look into it. |
| 03:35.02 | prince_jammys | you should not have to own the prog's files. |
| 03:35.02 | wols_ | mrdeb: you really shouldn't run testing |
| 03:35.05 | simonlnu | DJ left.. |
| 03:35.19 | mrdeb | why not |
| 03:35.20 | simonlnu | newbies shouldn't run testing. seriously. |
| 03:35.25 | EagleRock | mrdeb: wols_ is probably right |
| 03:35.30 | mrdeb | its pretty good, it's not sid |
| 03:35.36 | mrdeb | oh |
| 03:35.37 | wols_ | prince_jammys: unless the program is buggy since e.g. it needs to write config files into /opt or wherever |
| 03:35.44 | prince_jammys | wols_: right. |
| 03:35.50 | simonlnu | learn the distro and how to use it properly first. it's like a car or bike. learn how to use it and maintain it. |
| 03:36.03 | prince_jammys | it may very well be. i thought it was also packaged for debian these days. |
| 03:36.08 | wols_ | mrdeb: cause you have shown you don't know basic things about debian. but these basic things are important when solving problems testing poses to a user |
| 03:36.09 | mrdeb | it's faster wtih the new kernel too |
| 03:36.34 | wols_ | mrdeb: that kernel you can get for stable as well via backports |
| 03:36.35 | simonlnu | some older recent kernels had a lot of i/o issues |
| 03:36.37 | sweetpi | wols_: "dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile libboost1.42-dev_1.42.0-4+b1_i386.deb" what exactly am I looking for? |
| 03:36.43 | EagleRock | mrdeb: testing isn't for newbies, basically |
| 03:36.59 | mrdeb | oh really |
| 03:37.08 | EagleRock | no offense intended |
| 03:37.14 | simonlnu | is thankful they fixed those issues |
| 03:37.23 | mrdeb | well i cant go back now |
| 03:38.00 | wols_ | simonlnu: I still have some problems with .38 from backports on laptop. not exactly a stable kernel that one :) |
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| 03:38.08 | sweetpi | this is the only package im having a problem with btw. everything else seems fine |
| 03:38.12 | simonlnu | 2.6.38.5-acahkos |
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| 03:38.26 | simonlnu | i know, but it has improved |
| 03:38.27 | dspace | You can get 2.6.38 for stable? |
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| 03:38.35 | mrdeb | i am on 38-2 |
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| 03:38.50 | wols_ | sweetpi: try to unpack it manually? maybe it's a broken archive? |
| 03:38.52 | simonlnu | isn't on stable |
| 03:38.56 | wols_ | sweetpi: redownload it? |
| 03:39.01 | simonlnu | isn't a newbie either |
| 03:39.03 | wols_ | simonlnu: my notebook still is :) |
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| 03:39.12 | mrdeb | simonlnu: how do you like it |
| 03:39.12 | wols_ | simonlnu: you sure? could've fooled me :P |
| 03:39.21 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 03:39.35 | simonlnu | mrdeb: it's sid. has its ups and downs. |
| 03:39.40 | prince_jammys | ha |
| 03:40.12 | simonlnu | i'd say something else, but i don't want to veer the convo off to that. |
| 03:40.14 | mrdeb | sid is the crazy version, after testing right |
| 03:40.20 | mrdeb | bleeding edge |
| 03:40.32 | sweetpi | wols_: ive tried that many times.. update though.. after letting it sit for about 10min I get "libboost1.42-dev depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.6)" |
| 03:40.36 | Dewi | mrdeb: there's also crazier experimental, but yes |
| 03:40.46 | mrdeb | ok |
| 03:40.50 | mrdeb | so testing is not so bad for me |
| 03:40.51 | wols_ | sweetpi: you run testing/unstable. you should know better |
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| 03:41.20 | EagleRock | !give beer to EagleRock |
| 03:41.20 | dpkg | gives beer to EagleRock |
| 03:41.21 | nixusr | gives beer a taxi |
| 03:41.21 | Seth_Hikaru | gives beer a fresh zuccini |
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| 03:41.26 | simonlnu | experimental isn't even a full version |
| 03:41.41 | yebyen | can someone help me with hwclock? |
| 03:41.43 | sweetpi | wols_: yeah, I didnt realize libstdc++ was in that state |
| 03:41.44 | EagleRock | needed a drink |
| 03:41.46 | simonlnu | great, more stupid bots |
| 03:41.48 | dspace | If I could get 2.6.35 for stable, I'd run it, because that's the minimum kernel to support all my hardware |
| 03:41.48 | wols_ | !tell yebyen about ask |
| 03:41.51 | mrdeb | does anyonw know how to redirec chromium cache |
| 03:41.52 | yagoo | yebyen, u using two Oses? |
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| 03:42.00 | yebyen | yagoo: yeah, exherbo and debian... |
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| 03:42.26 | yagoo | yebyen, exherbo, whats that?.. can u set exherbo to localtime/utc? then try setting debian to either UTC or localtime |
| 03:42.27 | simonlnu | dspace: /msg dpkg bdo |
| 03:42.37 | wols_ | dspace: which hardware is it you need .35 for? |
| 03:42.54 | dspace | wifi card |
| 03:42.57 | simonlnu | nixusr: owner |
| 03:43.00 | wols_ | dspace: which one? |
| 03:43.06 | simonlnu | Seth_Hikaru: owner |
| 03:43.10 | yagoo | !utc |
| 03:43.10 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). Set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs), then run "/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart" to apply. |
| 03:43.11 | Rusty1 | guesses atheros |
| 03:43.13 | simonlnu | ... |
| 03:43.22 | wols_ | dspace: there is always compat-wireless :) |
| 03:43.26 | yebyen | yagoo: ok, but exherbo doesn't have /etc/default... |
| 03:43.35 | dspace | Realtek RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller driver rtl819xSE |
| 03:43.44 | wols_ | yebyen: but it has a way to set utc or localtime. ask exherbo folks how |
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| 03:43.56 | yagoo | yebyen, dont need to set exherbo.. u can try one or the other under debian.. |
| 03:44.06 | simonlnu | they're not bots, they're people with stupid scripts |
| 03:44.11 | simonlnu | ... |
| 03:44.13 | yebyen | wols_: i asked them questions about the timezone and they told me i would be kicked out if i persisted in asking dumb questions... |
| 03:44.26 | yebyen | i just need to know how it works, i already figured out /etc/localtime, but one thing is still wrong... |
| 03:44.37 | yagoo | yebyen, this isnt about timezone.. it's UTC or not |
| 03:44.59 | yebyen | yagoo: the clock is in UTC, the timezone is set to America/New_York in both distros... |
| 03:45.02 | yagoo | yebyen, it has to do with the biosclock/systemclock setting |
| 03:45.04 | yebyen | but when i boot back and forth |
| 03:45.12 | yebyen | my clock in exherbo is ahead by 5 hours |
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| 03:45.16 | yagoo | yebyen, did u try UTC ? |
| 03:45.25 | yebyen | localtime should not be UTC |
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| 03:45.38 | nsadmin | unless you're located there |
| 03:45.42 | yebyen | right |
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| 03:46.00 | mrdeb | simonlnu: what is your preferred terminal emulator for x |
| 03:46.04 | yebyen | if i run hwclock -us from exherbo, everything is fine, until i reboot, then debian is 5 hours behind... |
| 03:46.05 | simonlnu | puts servers on utc. "jes' sayin'" |
| 03:46.07 | nsadmin | in Grinich Mean |
| 03:46.18 | simonlnu | greenwich* |
| 03:46.42 | nsadmin | oh, yeah, in either case rhymes with spinach |
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| 03:46.49 | simonlnu | :) |
| 03:47.45 | yagoo | yebyen, it sounds like debian is set to UTC and exherbo isn't. |
| 03:47.45 | nsadmin | in the summer, does Greenwich go to Nice Time? |
| 03:47.54 | yebyen | yagoo: that's right |
| 03:48.01 | yebyen | in rcS, UTC=YES |
| 03:48.08 | EagleRock | nsadmin: nice time? as in British Summer Time? |
| 03:48.14 | simonlnu | check your /etc/default/rcS |
| 03:48.17 | yagoo | yebyen, so have both linuxes to the same.. set debian to localtime |
| 03:48.18 | simonlnu | nm |
| 03:48.19 | yebyen | i'm trying to figure out how to duplicate that condition in exherbo, where there is no init.d |
| 03:48.34 | simonlnu | nsadmin: BST yes |
| 03:48.37 | yebyen | yagoo: i guess I could do that, i was hoping to have my hwclock in UTC though |
| 03:48.37 | yagoo | yebyen, #exherbo |
| 03:48.44 | mrdeb | where do you control startups |
| 03:48.53 | nsadmin | EagleRock, I figure you can either have Greenwich Mean Time or Greenwich Nice Time |
| 03:48.59 | yebyen | mrdeb: there was no /etc/localtime until i linked it in from /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| 03:49.10 | EagleRock | nsadmin: :-) |
| 03:49.12 | simonlnu | yebyen: you can set the system time to UTC, and set your TZ to something else. |
| 03:49.25 | yagoo | yebyen, it doesn't kill to update hte biosclock to localtime.. |
| 03:49.38 | yebyen | maybe that is the best way to go, yagoo... |
| 03:49.48 | simonlnu | only issue with that is that you have to set it for every user. |
| 03:49.56 | yagoo | yebyen, just do it already.. i've done this for years.. |
| 03:50.04 | yagoo | it's basically one command |
| 03:50.22 | simonlnu | mrdeb: uxterm or konsole |
| 03:50.46 | nsadmin | well the problem is file time stamps |
| 03:50.59 | yebyen | i think /lib/systemd/system/hwclock-load.service and /lib/systemd/system/hwclock-save.service are the place to make the changes... |
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| 03:51.11 | nsadmin | if you make that kind of change you'll cause a temporal glitch in your files |
| 03:51.13 | yagoo | calls Nick burns to say rtfm |
| 03:51.13 | simonlnu | no |
| 03:51.16 | nsadmin | 'timestamps |
| 03:51.20 | JamezQ11 | Hello, anyone know when gnome 3 moves into testing? |
| 03:51.30 | simonlnu | !tzdata |
| 03:51.32 | yebyen | yagoo: the systemd manual? |
| 03:51.39 | simonlnu | !tz-data |
| 03:51.42 | yagoo | yebyen, i don't care which way you want to do things.. if u want to set exherbo then->#exherbo |
| 03:51.47 | simonlnu | er? |
| 03:52.20 | simonlnu | sighs |
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| 03:52.39 | yebyen | i would really just like to know what debian is doing to make itself behave correctly |
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| 03:53.17 | nsadmin | the timestamp for files comes from the unix kernel time variables which are read from the bios clock and then possibly overwritten by ntp and/or others |
| 03:54.04 | nsadmin | yebyen: build something like debian... |
| 03:54.06 | nsadmin | and see! |
| 03:54.30 | yagoo | yebyen, edit the config and have UTC=no |
| 03:54.34 | yagoo | what's so hard about that |
| 03:54.55 | nsadmin | yagoo, that would change the unix time vars |
| 03:55.57 | yebyen | rebooting twice, i'll let you know if my change succeeded... |
| 03:56.10 | JamezQ11 | alright, anyone know how I would check that? |
| 03:56.15 | JamezQ11 | Is there a standard? |
| 03:56.28 | nsadmin | "that"? |
| 03:56.59 | JamezQ11 | that= when gnome 3 moves to testing |
| 03:57.35 | nsadmin | something moves to testing from sid if enough non-bug time has elapsed |
| 03:58.06 | JamezQ11 | how much time is that, is there any tracker I can look at/ |
| 03:58.26 | simonlnu | WIR |
| 03:58.32 | nsadmin | maybe it's on alioth |
| 03:58.48 | JamezQ11 | sorry, I don't know what those are |
| 03:59.04 | nsadmin | -maybe- alioth is working again |
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| 03:59.13 | simonlnu | when it's ready |
| 03:59.15 | tehrabbitt | hm i'm noticing a weird "chopping" sound when audio plays back via the internet |
| 03:59.17 | simonlnu | probably is |
| 03:59.18 | EagleRock | nsadmin: I was about to say, doesn't ailoth have issues right now? |
| 03:59.41 | tehrabbitt | whenever I try to use pandora, it has a very analog sound / choppy |
| 03:59.44 | tehrabbitt | kinda like an old modem |
| 03:59.53 | nsadmin | well the front page is answering |
| 04:00.05 | tehrabbitt | this is something new i'm noticing since the latest apt-get update running wheezy |
| 04:00.08 | mrdeb | simonlnu: did you happen to answer |
| 04:00.15 | yebyen | word, changing hwclock --systz and hwclock --systohc to add -u in both places made the exherbo clock right |
| 04:00.16 | JamezQ11 | I get the "when it's ready" answer, I was just politely asking is there is a standard for how much time without bugs. Otherwise, a no is accepted. |
| 04:00.50 | simonlnu | 23:50:22 < simonlnu> mrdeb: uxterm or konsole |
| 04:01.01 | simonlnu | 10 minutes ago |
| 04:01.32 | tehrabbitt | i'm just curious if anyone here knows how to fix this audio glitch / if there's a workaround or if it's even been heard of yet |
| 04:01.39 | tehrabbitt | no pun intended :-\ |
| 04:01.40 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 04:01.48 | JamezQ11 | lol |
| 04:02.26 | tehrabbitt | like, it sounds like that noise your cell phone makes when you place it near a speaker |
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| 04:02.38 | tehrabbitt | almsot like a compression problem |
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| 04:03.04 | tehrabbitt | definate artifacts as well in playback |
| 04:04.51 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: is this with flash by chance? |
| 04:05.01 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, Yes |
| 04:05.06 | tehrabbitt | doesn't happen on youtube videos though |
| 04:05.10 | yagoo | JamezQ11, a standard? |
| 04:05.12 | tehrabbitt | only pandora / embedded audio in other sites |
| 04:05.14 | ZitZ | yes, i know what the problem is |
| 04:05.19 | yagoo | JamezQ11, there are no true standards in OSS |
| 04:05.21 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, is there a fix? |
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| 04:05.51 | ZitZ | yes, there is a fix, it is a problem introduced by new version of glib where they changed memcpy in a way that breaks binary compatibility with the flash plugin |
| 04:06.04 | tehrabbitt | Ah |
| 04:06.24 | tehrabbitt | hence why it sounds like it's a compression issue |
| 04:06.28 | JamezQ11 | yagoo: Eh, I don't really want to argue. |
| 04:06.36 | JamezQ11 | Thanks for trying to help, everyone |
| 04:06.38 | ZitZ | i reported it as a bug to debian glib, which is what Linus Torvalds did as well, but my debian bug got reassigned to flash player plugin |
| 04:06.40 | mrdeb | is it necessary to have non-free in security/updates or only in the first apt source line |
| 04:06.45 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, litterly 320kbit audio sounds like it's 24Kbit lol |
| 04:06.53 | tehrabbitt | 0_o |
| 04:07.01 | yagoo | JamezQ11, so you know the answer to your question. Very rhetorical. |
| 04:07.13 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, so it's a problem with flash, or with glib? |
| 04:07.41 | ZitZ | yeah, i posted a workaround in my blog that was similar to a workaround linus torvalds did, that was a couple months ago, the workaround mentioned in the debian bug report is better |
| 04:08.00 | ZitZ | you should read the bug report that linus torvalds was in, there is a good debate about where the bug actually is |
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| 04:08.15 | tehrabbitt | hm |
| 04:08.22 | JamezQ11 | yagoo: If I were to ask you when the next release of LM is comming out, you could say about a month after ubuntu, even though that's not a "true standard". I did *not* ask a rhetorical question. |
| 04:08.28 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, link to your blog / linus torvald's post? |
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| 04:09.11 | yagoo | JamezQ11, that's not even a question.. why not ask in #ubuntu? they give back feedback to debian |
| 04:09.26 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: lol, yeah hold on, I'll hook you up with it, I'm trying to find it again, the better workaround is actually a patched flashplugin |
| 04:09.38 | tehrabbitt | ah alrighty |
| 04:09.57 | yagoo | !wnpp |
| 04:09.57 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 04:10.07 | mrdeb | does it matter if you use ftp or http.us in apt.sources |
| 04:10.11 | mrdeb | ? |
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| 04:10.23 | dspace | Does Linus still use Fedora? |
| 04:10.32 | yebyen | it matters, if there is a firewall in your location preventing you from accessing ftp servers |
| 04:10.35 | yagoo | mrdeb, the manpage says u can have those entries |
| 04:10.47 | mrdeb | is ftp faster |
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| 04:11.09 | yebyen | no |
| 04:11.18 | mrdeb | then what's the point |
| 04:11.32 | yebyen | of having two protocols? |
| 04:11.45 | mrdeb | yes |
| 04:11.46 | yagoo | yebyen, dunno.. i think i like the sky blue |
| 04:11.48 | mrdeb | for courses |
| 04:11.56 | yagoo | doesn't like grey skies |
| 04:12.00 | yebyen | http is almost guaranteed not to be firewalled, ftp implements simple browsing without parsing html/xml |
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| 04:12.22 | yebyen | off the top of my head, why would a developer want to use one over the other |
| 04:12.37 | yebyen | yagoo: my clock is right now! |
| 04:12.45 | nevyn | dspace: I think so. |
| 04:12.59 | nevyn | dspace: I know most of the X developers use fedora. |
| 04:13.09 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: sorry for the delay, this page is in russian, but the patch works, http://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/5663681 |
| 04:13.11 | yagoo | yebyen, i just use UTC=yes for any multi-os |
| 04:13.19 | ZitZ | atleast it worked for me |
| 04:13.28 | mrdeb | can anyone recommend a simple applet icon that allows suspend or monitor settings |
| 04:13.36 | mrdeb | somethign other than xfce power nanager |
| 04:13.45 | yagoo | ZitZ, you speak russian? |
| 04:13.54 | tehrabbitt | alrighty |
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| 04:14.04 | haiku | hi |
| 04:14.16 | yebyen | yagoo: the point of exherbo is more figuring out how things work, debian is easy to configure, there are variables lying around for just about everything |
| 04:14.24 | ZitZ | lol, no but that was the patch recommended in the debian bug report, luckily i saw a wget line and that was enough to figure it out for me |
| 04:14.43 | ZitZ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620901, is the debian bug report if your interested |
| 04:14.50 | haiku | i need some help |
| 04:14.51 | yagoo | yebyen, it wasn't even necessary to do that.. u could of just do it from debian |
| 04:14.54 | yagoo | nways |
| 04:14.56 | tehrabbitt | hm, just applied the patch, hopefully it works now lol |
| 04:15.15 | yebyen | yagoo: how can you say, it wasn't even necessary to know how it works :) |
| 04:15.16 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: wow that was quick, interested to find out |
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| 04:15.25 | yebyen | what is the point of having source code |
| 04:15.33 | tehrabbitt | nope maybe i missed something X_X |
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| 04:15.43 | yagoo | yebyen, well there's no point in asking in here if you're fixing another distro |
| 04:15.45 | mrdeb | can you just run firefox 4 from a usb card |
| 04:15.48 | haiku | hola dios_mio |
| 04:15.53 | dios_mio | hi |
| 04:16.20 | yebyen | sure there is, exherbo devs will kick me out if i asked there :) |
| 04:16.27 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: did you apply the patch to a copy of the flash plugin then put the patched version of the flash plugin where the flash plugin belongs? |
| 04:17.47 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, hm I don't have a flash-plugin |
| 04:18.04 | ZitZ | i should post this new workaround somewhere on the internet in english, lol |
| 04:18.06 | tehrabbitt | yes somehow i deleted flash-plugin by accident lol |
| 04:18.15 | tehrabbitt | i'm gonna post it on my website once I get it working |
| 04:18.31 | nsadmin | there are flash plugins on really old cameras |
| 04:18.55 | yagoo | ZitZ, i don't know why you're creditting yourself as fixing it when you quote some thread on how to fix it |
| 04:18.57 | yagoo | lol |
| 04:18.58 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: if you installed it through apt then i think it is flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 04:19.36 | ZitZ | yagoo: lol, good point, but there were tons of fixes that didn't work, and i did "debianize" linus's fix |
| 04:19.58 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, i'm reinstalling it just to be sure |
| 04:20.05 | haiku | I need help...I installed debian on a wm8505 and I can only connect to the Internet as root. |
| 04:20.26 | haiku | any idea? |
| 04:20.28 | yagoo | ZitZ, you going to use reportbug? |
| 04:21.12 | ZitZ | yagoo: i already reported it, and i usually use reportbug like a good boy, even though i find reportbug to be awfully buggy, lol |
| 04:21.13 | mrdeb | haiku: areyou using network manager |
| 04:21.55 | haiku | mrdeb: no, i use dhclient only, and the parameters of /etc/network/interfaces that are automatic |
| 04:22.03 | haiku | sorry for my english |
| 04:22.06 | yagoo | ZitZ, i was hastily wondering if the debian wiki can have community response threads that would be great at the bottom of articles (sort of like on cpan and php doc sites) |
| 04:23.05 | stew | yagoo: why can't you just add comments directly to the page itself? |
| 04:23.09 | yagoo | haiku, type 'groups <username>' he should be member of plugdev |
| 04:23.19 | ZitZ | yagoo: i see what you're thinking, but the problem with that is those responses could become really outdated |
| 04:23.27 | prince_jammys | yagoo: sounds like you might as well just add to/correct the wiki. |
| 04:23.45 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, so just restart browser and cross fingers? |
| 04:24.03 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: lol yes |
| 04:24.12 | haiku | yagoo: I edit the file /etc/groups and the user is already in plugdev |
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| 04:24.44 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, Printed the pages out so that way I can at least perhaps write it up in a nice step by step |
| 04:24.48 | tehrabbitt | gah still choppy X_X |
| 04:24.50 | tehrabbitt | hm wait |
| 04:24.53 | tehrabbitt | i'm using chrome.... |
| 04:25.00 | tehrabbitt | chrome uses a different flash plugin i beleive |
| 04:25.02 | ZitZ | it used to be that gentoo had the best wiki on the net, now it seems that designation belongs to arch, debian's unfortunately has always been second rate |
| 04:25.22 | yagoo | stew, i never dwelved into using the debian wiki too much.. i just wonder if it'll be helpful to see community response threads at the bottom of articles |
| 04:25.34 | tehrabbitt | http://www.webupd8.org/2009/08/google-chrome-for-linux-adds-plug-ins.html |
| 04:25.35 | ZitZ | tehrabbit: they all use the same flash plugin, that's why install the plugin to $User/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 04:25.40 | yagoo | haiku, you don't have the 'groups' command ? |
| 04:25.45 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, http://www.webupd8.org/2009/08/google-chrome-for-linux-adds-plug-ins.html |
| 04:26.02 | dspace | Arch does have a nice wiki. I don't even use Arch but I read the wiki sometimes to learn |
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| 04:26.20 | nvictor | hey all |
| 04:26.25 | nvictor | i just installed apache2 |
| 04:26.30 | haiku | yes |
| 04:26.31 | nvictor | httpd -S not working |
| 04:26.32 | stew | yagoo: go ahead and add a response to the bottom of an article if you have one |
| 04:26.46 | nvictor | wols_: you there? |
| 04:26.55 | haiku | yagoo: yes, the user have the groups wwwdata, plugdev and netdev |
| 04:27.12 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: it's always the same flash plugin, are you sure the patched version is being used by chrome? |
| 04:28.20 | wols_ | is somewhere I guess |
| 04:28.36 | yagoo | haiku, www-data ? |
| 04:28.42 | nvictor | wols_: just installed apache2 |
| 04:28.44 | haiku | yagoo: yes, sorry |
| 04:28.49 | yagoo | haiku, a normal user isn't part of www-data |
| 04:28.51 | nvictor | wols_: looking to configure a virtual host |
| 04:28.55 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, the version of chrome I had had it's own version of the plugin in opt/google/chrome/plugins |
| 04:29.04 | tehrabbitt | so i deleted the .so from in there, and symlinked it to /lib64's |
| 04:29.11 | nvictor | wols_: both apache2 and httpd are not recognized as commands |
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| 04:29.30 | ZitZ | oh that makes sense, you must have installed chrome from source or in some non standard way |
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| 04:29.33 | wols_ | nvictor: /etc/init.d/apache2 start|restart|stop |
| 04:29.40 | haiku | yagoo: ok, so i added incorrectly |
| 04:29.43 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, and it works :-D |
| 04:29.57 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: perfect!! |
| 04:30.08 | haiku | yagoo: but the group plugdev is active on the user |
| 04:30.21 | tehrabbitt | Zit, so apparently, if you're running chrome, you need to be sure you simlink to the lib64 directory |
| 04:30.31 | nvictor | wols_: thanks :) |
| 04:30.33 | tehrabbitt | the .so file itself not the whole /plugins dir |
| 04:30.41 | tehrabbitt | nice clear audio :) |
| 04:30.48 | simonlnu | nvictor: so go read some docs. we won't do it for you. |
| 04:30.50 | yagoo | haiku, how are you setting up this network connection? with the interfaces or with NetworkManageR? |
| 04:31.01 | tehrabbitt | so I wonder what the fix actually is now.. any documentation behind it? |
| 04:31.03 | yagoo | (interfaces file i mean) |
| 04:31.16 | wols_ | tehrabbitt: considering there is no chrome in debian... |
| 04:31.18 | nvictor | simonlnu: thanks |
| 04:31.21 | ZitZ | i don't think debian is allowed to redistribute flash plugin so you have to keep this fix until a new version of flash comes, and yes, you have to symlink it if you have chrome compiled like you do in the /opt directory |
| 04:31.23 | haiku | yagoo: with dhclient eth0 |
| 04:31.31 | tehrabbitt | wols_, it's there... lol |
| 04:31.33 | mrdeb | there is chromium-browser in debian |
| 04:31.38 | ZitZ | if you used chromium, you would have been fine |
| 04:31.41 | wols_ | mrdeb: chrome != chromium |
| 04:31.43 | simonlnu | nvictor: best place is aptitude install apache2-doc and httpd.apache.org - they have good docs |
| 04:31.46 | haiku | yagoo: i don't have a network-manager |
| 04:31.55 | mrdeb | it is based on it |
| 04:31.55 | haiku | yagoo: but root conects |
| 04:32.05 | tehrabbitt | Google Chrome11.0.696.71 (Official Build 86024) |
| 04:32.05 | simonlnu | nvictor: just take one bit at a time, you'll get it sooner than you think |
| 04:32.12 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: as far as I know that patched changes all memcpy in the binary to memmoves |
| 04:32.30 | yagoo | haiku, ? |
| 04:32.34 | simonlnu | nvictor: the former is the latter, but locally present |
| 04:32.39 | tehrabbitt | so it was the fact "memcpy" got changed to "memmoves" in the latest glib? |
| 04:32.54 | yagoo | haiku, so lets say you do a coldboot, you type username/password.. does ping work as the first command? |
| 04:32.58 | simonlnu | chrome isn't in debian, but chromium is |
| 04:33.22 | simonlnu | prefers the latter, slightly less invasive ;p |
| 04:33.44 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: it was the fact that glib was copying backwards in some way with memcpy that made it more like a memmove, i don't remember exactly what, or i'm just not able to explain it |
| 04:33.45 | mrdeb | they are all invasive tho |
| 04:34.02 | tehrabbitt | simonlnu, then i guess it's chromium that i'm running lol... I downloaded the .deb from google.com |
| 04:34.17 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, Ah |
| 04:34.21 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638477 that thread should answer all those questions and it is quite interesting to hear linus slam down his fist |
| 04:34.45 | simonlnu | tehrabbitt: that'll be chrome - it's obvious which is which. chrome has the google branding with multi-coloured logo. |
| 04:34.46 | tehrabbitt | i remember seeing him talk about GNU one day at TCF like 2 years ago |
| 04:34.56 | tehrabbitt | simonlnu, it's chrome then |
| 04:35.03 | simonlnu | tehrabbitt: chromium can be had from several places |
| 04:35.21 | tehrabbitt | simonlnu, so I guess if you want to run chrome, it's an extra step to fix the bug lol |
| 04:35.25 | haiku | yagoo: yagoo ping says "socket: permission denied" |
| 04:35.26 | ZitZ | he clearly has chrome installed, if he had chromium it wouldn't be in /opt |
| 04:35.35 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 04:35.57 | simonlnu | didn't see the /opt get mentioned in that context |
| 04:36.53 | ZitZ | unless i guess if he decided to compile chromium |
| 04:37.01 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, LOL "and since I (obviously) always |
| 04:37.01 | tehrabbitt | compile my own kernels" |
| 04:37.13 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, i'm running chrome |
| 04:38.11 | ZitZ | yeah, i'm trying to cut back on my google products |
| 04:38.16 | Seth_Hikaru | simonlnu: What? |
| 04:38.36 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, I prefer chrome tbh since my bookmarks and everythign follow me / I like the interface lol |
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| 04:38.50 | tehrabbitt | over iceweasel anyway |
| 04:38.51 | Seth_Hikaru | simonlnu: <simonlnu> Seth_Hikaru: owner <<< What? |
| 04:39.05 | ZitZ | firefox has a sync feature too, so does opera i think |
| 04:39.17 | yagoo | stew, I remember trying once to create a wiki account.. never could.. after 5 minutes of waiting i guess the create button isn't working |
| 04:39.25 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, I'm going to post what I did to get it working on my site / wget links mirrored on my server in case that russian server goes down someday 0_o lol |
| 04:40.02 | simonlnu | Seth_Hikaru: one of your scripts responded to a !$factoid request, thought you were a bot |
| 04:40.08 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: i mirrored the files too, probably don't need to, as soon as a new flash plugin is released the problem should disappear |
| 04:40.14 | tehrabbitt | true |
| 04:40.29 | tehrabbitt | then again, i'm still waiting for the other audio bug to be fixed... and it's been months |
| 04:40.33 | tehrabbitt | (multiple streams etc) |
| 04:40.44 | tehrabbitt | and it auto-mutes after every audio stream ends |
| 04:40.47 | ZitZ | i don't know why Adobe refuses to keep pace with the 64 bit version of the plugin |
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| 04:41.07 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, Adobe has hated 64bit users of linux for ages.. since my sophmore year of college anyway |
| 04:41.16 | tehrabbitt | when they didnt' even have support for x64 at the time |
| 04:41.23 | stew | yagoo: hmm, I'll try to create a new account now |
| 04:41.32 | tehrabbitt | claiming it would be a "complete rewrite of code to get it to work" etc |
| 04:41.33 | Seth_Hikaru | simonlnu: Odd, I didn't know any of my scripts could respond, could you pm me what you did to get it to do that? |
| 04:41.34 | yagoo | !tell haiku about #debian-es |
| 04:41.42 | yagoo | I can't speak spanish haiku |
| 04:42.21 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: we're about the same age then, i remember having to use libflashsupport.so to get pulseaudio support, or nspluginwrapper to get 64 bit support, and if you wanted pulseaudio support with the 32 bit plugin on a 64 bit system, forget about it |
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| 04:43.00 | superlinux | hi. I'd love to know how to use ffmpeg + libx264 + x11grab to record my desktop directly into an mp4? |
| 04:43.21 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, haha yes that was a headache X_X... reminds me of the ndiswrapper days |
| 04:43.50 | ZitZ | superlinux: i think there is an example of that in the ffmpeg man page if i remember correctly, maybe not with libx264 though |
| 04:43.50 | wols_ | superlinux: xvidcap, istanbul, recordmydesktop? |
| 04:44.19 | superlinux | wols_, they give ogv |
| 04:44.39 | superlinux | mainly the best for me is recordmydesktop |
| 04:44.46 | superlinux | i always us it |
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| 04:44.49 | superlinux | i always use it |
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| 04:44.59 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: seriously it's been like 8 months since a new 64 bit plugin there have been like 3 releases of the 32 bit in that time, when it is almost just a recompiling |
| 04:44.59 | wols_ | superlinux: no suprisingly when h.264 is heavily patent encumbered |
| 04:45.03 | haiku | dpkg: can you help me or not? |
| 04:45.04 | dpkg | haiku: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:45.26 | yagoo | lol |
| 04:45.26 | nsadmin | dpkg: high five! |
| 04:45.27 | dpkg | low five |
| 04:45.33 | yagoo | haiku, dpkg is not a human. |
| 04:45.34 | wols_ | superlinux: but all of them can use x264, just not necessarily with the debian versions |
| 04:45.37 | haiku | very funny script-kiddies |
| 04:45.38 | yagoo | LOL |
| 04:46.24 | yagoo | seriously haiku.. I was helping you and you're not able to understand what the word 'first' means.. |
| 04:46.25 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, Adobe hates x64 ;) |
| 04:46.26 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 04:46.26 | superlinux | ok |
| 04:46.28 | wols_ | haiku: how do you connect to the net? and what is in your interfaces file? |
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| 04:47.16 | superlinux | ffmpeg -y -t 30 -f x11grab -qscale 2 -r 15 -s 1024x768 -i :0.0 -s 800x600 -vcodec libx264 -vpre medium -threads 0 x11grab.mp4 << a working one |
| 04:47.19 | ZitZ | i don't understand, i like gnash, but in my opinion linux shouldn't be trying to create software to work with flash, we should have created a standard to replace it a long time ago |
| 04:47.32 | haiku | wols_: I can only connect to the net as root, and my interfaces file is /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:47.49 | haiku | wols_: i am using other pc now |
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| 04:47.52 | superlinux | but still no sound |
| 04:48.05 | superlinux | anyway |
| 04:48.07 | wols_ | haiku: go to a spanish channel. I asked "what is IN your interfaces file". you don't know enough english to get help in this channel |
| 04:48.07 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 04:48.09 | yagoo | haiku, you can't rely on translation bots if you're using one like you were telling me. |
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| 04:48.26 | simonlnu | afk for a bit |
| 04:48.33 | yagoo | lol |
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| 04:48.42 | haiku | wols_: interfaces file are fine, conection works as root |
| 04:49.01 | wols_ | !tell haiku about es |
| 04:50.22 | haiku | yagoo: i'm writing as me now, only traduce with bots the words that i don't understand |
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| 04:51.46 | haiku | it's simple to understand, I can ONLY connect to the net with root account, NOT with a normal user |
| 04:51.52 | haiku | any help? |
| 04:52.52 | stew | yagoo: it was slow, but I was able to create an account |
| 04:53.22 | yagoo | stew, how long? |
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| 04:53.35 | stew | yagoo: a few minutes |
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| 04:54.15 | yagoo | stew, you kidding me :).. I waited at least 5 minutes.. not sitting on my hands the whole time but noticed there was no progress at all |
| 04:54.25 | haiku | please, some help, some patience, some cooperation? |
| 04:54.40 | mrdeb | haiku: wha is the matter |
| 04:54.52 | yagoo | not like i have an hourglass.. but it was at least 5 minutes.. |
| 04:54.55 | yagoo | :) |
| 04:55.19 | haiku | mrdeb: I installed debian on a wm8505 (chinesse netbook), and I only can access the net as root |
| 04:55.39 | mrdeb | haiku: did you add the user to group netdev |
| 04:55.48 | haiku | mrdeb: yes |
| 04:56.03 | haiku | mrdeb: and to the group plugdev |
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| 04:56.16 | yagoo | haiku, you speak chinese or espagnol? you were throwing spanish words to me |
| 04:56.29 | yagoo | nmind |
| 04:56.32 | wols_ | yagoo: argentinia |
| 04:56.32 | mrdeb | well, try installing wicd-curses |
| 04:56.55 | stew | yagoo: i don't know if it's intentionally teergrubing or what |
| 04:57.00 | haiku | mrdeb: works only as root too |
| 04:57.03 | yagoo | stew, ? |
| 04:57.06 | mrdeb | hmm |
| 04:57.29 | yagoo | stew, i got 'This user name already belongs to somebody else.' this time.. |
| 04:57.35 | yagoo | stew, guess i got a response this time |
| 04:57.56 | mrdeb | i had a problem recently where gnome network manager would not connect unless i launched the applet in root mode |
| 04:57.57 | stew | yagoo: perhaps because your previous registration actually worked? |
| 04:58.16 | yagoo | stew, what happens after click the create button? should i get an email? |
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| 04:58.39 | stew | yagoo: i don't think so |
| 04:58.45 | haiku | mrdeb: maybe the problem is simmilar |
| 04:59.03 | mrdeb | yes |
| 04:59.38 | haiku | mrdeb: how you find the solution? |
| 05:00.14 | mrdeb | i just reomve it and install wicd |
| 05:00.29 | mrdeb | but this is an odd problem s group permission did not seem to matter |
| 05:00.49 | mrdeb | also, the sudo group did not work, unlss user was added manually to fstab |
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| 05:01.06 | yagoo | mrdeb, this "normal user' which haiku speaks of.. is a member of 'www-data' group.. just to let u know something doesn't sound conventional |
| 05:01.11 | wols_ | nrti fstab? |
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| 05:01.29 | mrdeb | what group is htat |
| 05:01.38 | wols_ | yagoo: typical thing newbies to do make their user be able to edit files on the webserver |
| 05:01.54 | haiku | mrdeb: doesn't matter that group, I added to www-data as a test |
| 05:02.01 | yagoo | mrdeb, what wols_ said |
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| 05:02.15 | mrdeb | hm |
| 05:02.27 | haiku | I will quit if it's necessary |
| 05:02.32 | mrdeb | well calling ppl noobies wont fix their problem |
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| 05:03.00 | yagoo | mrdeb, i said it doesn't sound conventional. |
| 05:03.16 | haiku | mrdeb: how is that? |
| 05:03.21 | yagoo | tries to setup wiki password |
| 05:03.25 | haiku | mrdeb: interesting... |
| 05:04.17 | ZitZ | yagoo: can i ask what you are adding/changing in the wiki? |
| 05:04.18 | mrdeb | i dont know have an answer |
| 05:04.20 | wols_ | mrdeb: people who don't understand or intentionally misunderstand can't be helped over irc |
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| 05:05.00 | haiku | mrdeb: ok, thanx everywhere |
| 05:05.16 | mrdeb | ok |
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| 05:06.30 | haiku | wols_: free software is built on cooperation, not in arrogance or discrimination. |
| 05:07.03 | haiku | any help is welcome for me |
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| 05:07.29 | ZitZ | debian does however get a bad wrap for being full of "elitists" , i don't undersand why to be honest |
| 05:08.01 | wols_ | haiku: I asked you questions you STILL haven't answered. so much for your cooperation :) |
| 05:08.06 | mrdeb | lol |
| 05:08.53 | wols_ | haiku: and before people can cooperate they need to communicate and speak/write the same language. in case of you (spanish) and me (english, german), this is apparently non-trivial |
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| 05:09.57 | haiku | wols_: Thank you for your ten seconds of patience. And considering that I don't speak english so good... |
| 05:10.21 | yagoo | was trying to get an answer for haiku in pm for 5 minutes.. lead to nowhere |
| 05:10.30 | yagoo | 20 minutes ago |
| 05:10.35 | ZitZ | thinks haiku has an fine handle on the english language |
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| 05:10.45 | wols_ | ZitZ: that's my suspicion as well |
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| 05:11.01 | haiku | wols_: you can askme, and if i dont understand you question, maybe you should reformulate |
| 05:11.30 | haiku | if it is not so much trouble |
| 05:11.37 | yagoo | I even told this dude to check up way way back to compare NetworkManager and an Interfaces file setup. |
| 05:11.42 | wols_ | haiku: how do you connect to the net (wlan, wlan chip, encryption, gsm, etc?) and what is the content of your interfaces file? |
| 05:11.43 | yagoo | but nways.. that's history. |
| 05:12.21 | ZitZ | everyone knows you connect to the internet with magic |
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| 05:12.53 | mrdeb | well it is alien technology, like cell phones |
| 05:12.57 | iluminator101 | after upgrading to a patch just released few minutes ago...iceweasel keeps crashing when i try to browse |
| 05:13.15 | wols_ | iluminator101: and? |
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| 05:13.22 | ZitZ | get rid of the patch |
| 05:13.46 | mrdeb | wht's the point of rebranding firefox |
| 05:13.55 | mrdeb | when the executble still says firefox-bin |
| 05:13.56 | yagoo | stew, I was able to login with my initial setup even though i closed the browser window.. |
| 05:13.58 | wols_ | !tell mrdeb about why iceweasel |
| 05:14.03 | haiku | wols_: I connect to the net with ethernet interface (eth0) and there's nothing into the interfaces file |
| 05:14.05 | iluminator101 | wols why is this happening how can i fix this |
| 05:14.07 | wols_ | mrdeb: that's laws for you |
| 05:14.15 | mrdeb | seems pointless |
| 05:14.18 | stew | mrdeb: not getting sued |
| 05:14.20 | wols_ | haiku: there is at least one lie you just told |
| 05:14.24 | Dewi | mrdeb: it was a legal requirement |
| 05:14.37 | wols_ | iluminator101: you are apparently running testing or unstable. the fix is to run stable |
| 05:14.42 | ZitZ | supposedly it may be back to firefox by wheezy release |
| 05:14.53 | mrdeb | how come ubuntu can use it |
| 05:14.57 | mrdeb | and they revoked it from debian |
| 05:14.58 | Dewi | iluminator101: recommend using a good quality package instead of a patch |
| 05:15.00 | stew | mrdeb: ask firefox |
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| 05:15.06 | stew | mrdeb: errr, i mean ask mozilla |
| 05:15.07 | somiaj | mrdeb: debian takes the DFSG sersioually. |
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| 05:15.08 | haiku | wols_: wols_ there's only a comment on the file, that start with # |
| 05:15.09 | Dewi | mrdeb: I guess ubuntu agreed to their terms |
| 05:15.17 | wols_ | mrdeb: they sold out their users ability to make changes to firefox. basically, ubuntu is not free software anymore |
| 05:15.18 | mrdeb | what terms |
| 05:15.23 | Dewi | mrdeb: managing own security |
| 05:15.29 | mrdeb | ok |
| 05:15.40 | haiku | wols_: why should I lie? I want to resolve my problem |
| 05:15.41 | mrdeb | so canonical are sell outs |
| 05:15.44 | mrdeb | is that what you're saying |
| 05:16.12 | Dewi | mrdeb: ubuntu is full of closed-source stuff too, so yeah... |
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| 05:16.24 | mrdeb | yes |
| 05:16.33 | stew | somiaj: its not just that, mozilla's biggest objection was that debian was changing firefox before shipping it. at the time when they revoked our agreement to use their trademark, ubuntu was taking our changed version and changing a lot of other stuff as well |
| 05:16.34 | iluminator101 | wols_, Dewi i only run to few glitches every now and then with testing its pretty solid this problem i fixed it |
| 05:16.34 | Dewi | mrdeb: not that I actually care either way |
| 05:16.44 | haiku | wols_: I connect to eth0 with dhclient |
| 05:17.23 | Dewi | stew: sure, but ubuntu probably said "we'll show you the patches for approval" |
| 05:17.41 | wols_ | haiku: only root can run dhclient in a meaningful way. configure interfaces to connect via dhcp and your problem is solved |
| 05:17.42 | mrdeb | so mozilla wants control over the firefox code |
| 05:17.49 | stew | Dewi: its not like we were going to hide our patches |
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| 05:18.10 | stew | mrdeb: they want that if debian changes their code, we no longer call it firefox |
| 05:18.13 | wols_ | mrdeb: not exacty code. their trademark |
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| 05:18.27 | mrdeb | and maybe were insulted that debian wanted to patch it, saying that mozill couldnt properly patch it up for security itself |
| 05:18.30 | Dewi | stew: yeah, but moz wanted to see them *before* binary distribution even in the event of a security flaw. Debian felt that delay was unnacceptable |
| 05:18.32 | mrdeb | is that it |
| 05:18.53 | stew | mrdeb: ask mozilla |
| 05:18.54 | Dewi | mrdeb: well, since debian provides security support FF doesn't, it's not insulting |
| 05:18.55 | haiku | wols_: yes, I used dhclient as root, I will try to modify the interfaces file to see if the "normal user" works with internet |
| 05:19.02 | ZitZ | the way arch linux gets around the problem is by distributing firefox without the branding |
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| 05:19.19 | mrdeb | what |
| 05:19.26 | Dewi | mrdeb: moz just protects its trademarks by demanding build oversight |
| 05:19.26 | mrdeb | arch has it branded |
| 05:19.34 | stew | mrdeb: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
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| 05:19.45 | simonlnu | http://xrl.us/bhhrvy |
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| 05:20.12 | mrdeb | so wha about chromium |
| 05:20.18 | mrdeb | what if google said, you cant use it |
| 05:20.22 | wols_ | simonlnu: shitty script? |
| 05:20.31 | Dewi | mrdeb: chromium is already unbranded |
| 05:20.35 | mrdeb | are you gonna rename it to metallium |
| 05:20.41 | Dewi | mrdeb: that's why it's chromium not chrome, with a grey instead of coloured logo |
| 05:20.50 | wols_ | mrdeb: then the same thing will happen. debian doesn't do lawsuits and it very much tries to avoid getting sued too |
| 05:20.52 | mrdeb | lol |
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| 05:21.27 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, http://tehrabbitt.com/index.php?content=debian&type=audiobug |
| 05:21.29 | tehrabbitt | posted :-D |
| 05:21.30 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 05:21.33 | EagleRock | mrdeb: it's open source and contains no branding, google couldn' |
| 05:21.45 | EagleRock | mrdeb: couldn't disallow debian to use it if they wanted to |
| 05:22.14 | simonlnu | urlshortener for irssi |
| 05:22.28 | wols_ | EagleRock: chromium is trademarked by google. so you should restate your statement |
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| 05:22.39 | mrdeb | thought were was supposed to be peace and lvoe in the OS commuunity |
| 05:22.45 | wols_ | simonlnu: "spam" for short? |
| 05:23.06 | EagleRock | wols_: I was referring to the source code, not the name of the browser |
| 05:23.08 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: very cool, good work on the write up, you referenced all the good information |
| 05:23.27 | tehrabbitt | thanks :) |
| 05:23.47 | haiku | wols_: ups! on the boot message says "Configuring network interfaces... Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 05:23.50 | Dewi | EagleRock: that's the same as firefox then. We're not talking about code |
| 05:24.02 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, at least there's an english version now lol |
| 05:24.05 | haiku | wols_: what happens? eth0 exist! |
| 05:24.06 | nvictor | hey |
| 05:24.10 | nsadmin | mrdeb, you've been here before... peace and love?? :) |
| 05:24.14 | EagleRock | Dewi: oh, ok, I misunderstood |
| 05:24.21 | tehrabbitt | brb if i get disconnected... gonna try something |
| 05:24.33 | nvictor | i'm getting a Forbidden 403 error while trying to get images from my localhost |
| 05:24.39 | mrdeb | well you see the dancing sasquatches so free and happy in the field on the mozill site, so you would think... |
| 05:24.40 | stew | EagleRock: we aren't having any problem using the firefox source code |
| 05:24.42 | Dewi | we're talking about branding and trademarked names. Chromium does have both, like firefox, but unlike firefox the terms are explicitly laid out and quite generous for chromium as opposed to chrome which is google's |
| 05:24.45 | nvictor | i setup the alias this way |
| 05:24.48 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: lol, yeah really |
| 05:24.56 | wols_ | nvictor: permissions for the image file? |
| 05:25.10 | nvictor | wols_: probably |
| 05:25.35 | nvictor | wols_: not sure why it would be an issue since i was able to get the .html file |
| 05:25.44 | Dewi | has debian made it easier to unbrand debian yet? |
| 05:26.08 | Dewi | in mozilla's defence at least they make it easy |
| 05:26.10 | nvictor | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/398069/ |
| 05:26.23 | nvictor | wols_: that's how i setup the alias |
| 05:26.27 | mrdeb | what do you mean unbrand |
| 05:26.34 | nvictor | and i was able to navigate to the html file |
| 05:26.42 | tehrabbitt | yea, apparently my wired network doesn't work |
| 05:26.44 | haiku | wols_: it seems that eth0 don't start on boot |
| 05:26.44 | nvictor | now the browser can't load images |
| 05:27.02 | Dewi | mrdeb: well, debian name and logos are trademarked too |
| 05:27.03 | tehrabbitt | anyone still here? |
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| 05:27.24 | mrdeb | Dewi: that seems ok |
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| 05:27.37 | wols_ | nvictor: that's not what I asked about |
| 05:27.48 | tehrabbitt | back |
| 05:27.57 | haiku | wols_: any idea? You understand what i said? |
| 05:27.58 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, hm, can't seem to get wired networking working :-\ |
| 05:28.25 | wols_ | tehrabbitt: firmware missing? |
| 05:28.25 | nvictor | wols_: ah sorry |
| 05:28.36 | tehrabbitt | wols_, I installed the firmware |
| 05:28.39 | tehrabbitt | adapter shows up |
| 05:28.44 | tehrabbitt | I can ping my gw as well |
| 05:28.46 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: are you by any chance a member of debian user forums? i think i've seen your username there |
| 05:28.49 | tehrabbitt | but only if i manually configure |
| 05:28.58 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, I am, haven't been on in a while though |
| 05:29.28 | haiku | wols_: I modify interfaces file, but doesn't work |
| 05:29.45 | nvictor | wols_: -rw-r--r-- 1 user |
| 05:30.13 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: yeah, i'm Mrbigshot08 on the old forum and ZitZ on the new forum, i haven't been on much either lately, things slowed down there, and i've been using arch lately |
| 05:30.20 | wols_ | haiku: let's make a deal: sinec you don't answer my questions, I don't answer yours. sound fair to me |
| 05:30.34 | tehrabbitt | ah |
| 05:30.44 | yagoo | ha! |
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| 05:31.09 | yagoo | am reading the wiki stuff.. trying to find wiki entry policies |
| 05:31.12 | nvictor | wols_: user is my username |
| 05:31.43 | nvictor | i mean login |
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| 05:31.58 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: are you employed? I ask because your degree is similar to mine |
| 05:31.58 | nvictor | i should be able to access the file, right? |
| 05:32.06 | tehrabbitt | anyone have an idea on why KDE's network manager doesn't like autoconnecting to wifi networks / wired networks? |
| 05:32.44 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: because it's a bit aweful sadly. |
| 05:32.47 | mrdeb | how do you get rid of the not authorized error in pcmanfm |
| 05:32.48 | haiku | wols_: I asked your questions, but you don't help me |
| 05:32.51 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, Sadly no, I was employed for a while making 12/hr as a helpdesk tech, but I ended up getting laid off a few months ago... Now i'm looking yet again in the market where there's 5 applicants for every 1 job posting |
| 05:32.59 | tehrabbitt | nevyn, any alternatives? |
| 05:33.16 | tehrabbitt | nevyn, ermmm "better" alternatives? |
| 05:33.25 | nvictor | looking for a job too |
| 05:33.28 | nevyn | the gnome one works. |
| 05:33.42 | mrdeb | nvictor: what field |
| 05:34.02 | nvictor | IT |
| 05:34.11 | mrdeb | oh yeah. that field is over |
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| 05:34.23 | mrdeb | like .com boom |
| 05:34.32 | tehrabbitt | nevyn, but i'm using KDE... can I still use the gnome manager in KDE? heh |
| 05:34.35 | nvictor | mrdeb: you think so? |
| 05:34.35 | buhman | which bot had the versions? |
| 05:34.41 | tehrabbitt | nvictor, IT is dead... |
| 05:34.52 | mrdeb | yeah unless you get a high degree and business management |
| 05:34.53 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: lol, it seems more like 20 applicants per opening, i graduated a year ago, and have had one good interview that didn't lead to a job, (i'm business economics and actuarial science and i'm looking in the actuarial field mostly) |
| 05:34.54 | nvictor | wols_: you still there, i posted the permissions |
| 05:35.07 | tehrabbitt | nvictor, :-\ they only want to hire "Entry Level" with minimum 3-5 years experience... which isn't really entry-level |
| 05:35.10 | buhman | ,versions linux-image |
| 05:35.10 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 05:35.24 | buhman | :/ |
| 05:35.26 | mrdeb | you can get a job with a temp agency |
| 05:35.30 | nevyn | hrm I'm doing ok but need to get into management eventually. |
| 05:35.31 | mrdeb | do you know? |
| 05:35.50 | nvictor | mrdeb: i dont know any |
| 05:35.55 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, hm, that's actually suprising because i'd think youd find something with taht degree, especially economics... have you thought of beleive it or not, starting out as like a personal banker / teller at least and working your way up internally through a bank? |
| 05:35.56 | mrdeb | try online |
| 05:36.09 | nvictor | you mean dice? |
| 05:36.15 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, i've tried temp agencies :-\ |
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| 05:36.28 | q_a_z_steve | #freenode Can someone help #android deal with an abusive user: chachin |
| 05:36.28 | yagoo | stew, you administer pages on the wiki? am just wondering why there's no network section link from http://wiki.debian.org/Hardware |
| 05:36.32 | mrdeb | and what happened |
| 05:36.37 | tehrabbitt | Robert Half recruiting.... |
| 05:36.45 | tehrabbitt | nothing "yet" as they put it |
| 05:36.54 | nvictor | Robert Half |
| 05:36.57 | tehrabbitt | it's been 4 months |
| 05:37.01 | nvictor | hmm i should try that |
| 05:37.02 | tehrabbitt | i call every week or so |
| 05:37.13 | mrdeb | well maybe thereare too many people for job |
| 05:37.20 | tehrabbitt | and i get the same "yea, still nothing open sorry" |
| 05:37.22 | mrdeb | eventually they would run out |
| 05:37.33 | nvictor | wols_: you there? :) |
| 05:37.34 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, exactly, there are so many applicants for each job, it's horrible |
| 05:37.41 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: i haven't really considered that route, i really want to be in the actuarial field though, but it seems most people get into that field through recruiters, even if you passed exams like i have |
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| 05:38.01 | dspace | tehrabbitt: Are you paying for that service? |
| 05:38.04 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, from what i've been told, best way is to get into a company, work your way up internally |
| 05:38.08 | tehrabbitt | dspace, nope, no cost |
| 05:38.14 | nvictor | tehrabbitt: link? |
| 05:38.14 | yagoo | says nmind |
| 05:38.15 | yagoo | http://wiki.debian.org/Network |
| 05:38.21 | yagoo | found it.. duh me :p hehe |
| 05:38.22 | ZitZ | the problem is there is no reason to hire a college grad when you can hire a guy with experience who needs to get a job for his family for almost the same salary |
| 05:38.29 | tehrabbitt | http://www.rhi.com/ |
| 05:38.40 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: working your way up through an organisation. is the best way to be underpaid for most of your working life. |
| 05:38.43 | buhman | according to the changelog, there seems to be lots of changes specifically related to my hardware in kernel 3.0; is there any plan for this to come to debian in the near future? |
| 05:39.04 | tehrabbitt | nevyn, However, in today's economy, it's better than being unemployed with 80k in student loans looming overhead |
| 05:39.06 | dspace | Better to be underpaid than not paid |
| 05:39.14 | tehrabbitt | what dspace said |
| 05:39.14 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 05:39.17 | buhman | (oh, and the hardware is broken on previous versions) |
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| 05:39.27 | nevyn | dspace: getting a reasonable job is hard |
| 05:39.39 | nevyn | but getting a job when you have a job is somewhat less hard. |
| 05:39.40 | ZitZ | and it is also true that recessions tend to hurt kids in their early to mid twenties the most |
| 05:39.51 | dspace | Yeah, I'm 32 and in grad school, getting my phd, forestalling the inevitable :) |
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| 05:40.17 | somiaj | buhman: you could compile your own kernel if you wanted it sooner. |
| 05:40.55 | ZitZ | when you have a job it shows that someone wants you, it's like when you have a girlfriend, it shows that someone wants you, it gives you report |
| 05:41.05 | dspace | rapport? |
| 05:41.12 | ZitZ | yes |
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| 05:41.33 | dspace | Yeah, I |
| 05:41.42 | ZitZ | blame spell check |
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| 05:41.48 | buhman | somiaj: it's that easy? |
| 05:42.00 | dspace | Yeah, I've been unemployed for months and it sucks. Besides not having any money, I feel like I'm not going anywhere. I need to keep busy |
| 05:42.13 | buhman | somiaj: how would I get the images I need in /boot? |
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| 05:42.46 | tehrabbitt | what i've begun to realize is this... they don't want people with "too much" experience, because then you have to pay them more... but at the same time, they don't want to hire recent grads with little experience... example job posting I saw today: "Junior Linux Administrator: Entry Level, 3-5 Years min exp required. Also required: experience in PHP, Python, APACHE, RUBY, PERL, ORACLE, DNS, CCNP Certification, as well as |
| 05:42.46 | tehrabbitt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:42.49 | ZitZ | dspace: i know what you mean, i try to make up my own projects, like tonight i just uploaded the android app i started 5 months ago |
| 05:42.55 | nvictor | buhman: i did it once |
| 05:43.02 | nevyn | buhman: you almost certainly want to wait until 3.0 |
| 05:43.04 | nvictor | buhman: it was cool and easy with the right tools |
| 05:43.06 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, totally true that its like a girlfriend... if nobody else hires you... There must be something "wrong" with you |
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| 05:43.36 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, Wanted to get into android apps, but never knew where to start sadly :-\... i've got several great ideas, just never knew how to start |
| 05:43.39 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: exactly, and that job posting is like every other one i've seen posted on the internet |
| 05:43.45 | nevyn | that's aweful. |
| 05:43.56 | tehrabbitt | you need to be a master of all trades, yet be willing to make next to nothing |
| 05:44.15 | ZitZ | 3-5 or 5-8 seems to be the experience range everyone's looking for |
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| 05:44.50 | tehrabbitt | they might as well say "ideal canidates include linus torvalds" |
| 05:44.53 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 05:45.01 | tehrabbitt | they make it so specific it's not funny |
| 05:45.02 | ZitZ | lol, i would have never been able to get into android apps if it weren't for arch linux making eclipse and the sdk so easy to set up |
| 05:45.25 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, I have eclipse and the SDK set up, just not sure how to get the GUI for the apps looking "nice" heh |
| 05:45.38 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, I've made a few "hello android" apps and loaded them onto my droid |
| 05:45.42 | tehrabbitt | but that's about it |
| 05:45.42 | nevyn | ok so there's a bom job here: http://www.seek.com.au/Job/linux-systems-administrator/in/melbourne-cbd-inner-suburbs/19848491 that's like 75k |
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| 05:46.09 | tehrabbitt | Classification: |
| 05:46.10 | tehrabbitt | Government & Defence |
| 05:46.10 | tehrabbitt | Government - Federal |
| 05:46.12 | tehrabbitt | good luck :-\ |
| 05:46.21 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: i spent most of the development time on gui too, it's ridiculous, look into the PorterDuff library to change button colors |
| 05:46.30 | tehrabbitt | hm |
| 05:46.33 | Iraqi1 | I followed this http://wiki.debian.org/ar5523 to install driver Atheros AR5523 but in step coomand line : # m-a a-i ar5523 I got this error : http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7112/screenshotdi.png but LED of my USD WLAN Card is working fine like in windows ?How fix this error in image? and thanks... |
| 05:46.36 | mrdeb | wow i got pcmanfm to work properly by changing pollkit |
| 05:46.41 | dspace | When the economy is bad, there's a spike in grad school enrollment as people way for more jobs to open up and simultaneously get a higher degree, which can help in many industries |
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| 05:46.45 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, the layout is what always bugged me, because it's XML and i was never a bug XML fan |
| 05:47.02 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, Java is like a second language to english to me... but FUUUUUUUUU to XML |
| 05:47.03 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 05:47.13 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, so is PHP |
| 05:47.30 | tehrabbitt | I just never grasped the concept of how XML works |
| 05:47.32 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: oh yeah, not an xml fan either, and seperating the gui and the logic in that way is weird too, because it makes certain things next to impossible |
| 05:47.45 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, Exactly |
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| 05:48.19 | tehrabbitt | nevyn, also that job is in australia |
| 05:48.20 | ZitZ | and then there is the fact that you have to try and make your gui work on all sorts of devices that might not even exist yet |
| 05:48.23 | Mr_Queue | Anyone have an idea why my 2.2GHz dual cores will only hit 1.2GHz? Even setting it to 2.2GHz in CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor 2.30.0 doesn't change it.. |
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| 05:48.29 | tehrabbitt | nevyn, look for a job near NYC... :-\ |
| 05:48.32 | tehrabbitt | they dont' exist |
| 05:48.39 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: yeah and where am I do you think? |
| 05:48.40 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, Yea that part bugs me too |
| 05:48.46 | tehrabbitt | nevyn, true lol |
| 05:48.57 | tehrabbitt | nevyn, I'm just tryign to say there arent' jobs like that anywhere near NYC |
| 05:49.16 | nevyn | so todays search jobs that mention linux. that pay more than 100k: 460 (that's 108k to an american) |
| 05:49.26 | nvictor | fixed my issue :) |
| 05:49.32 | mrdeb | tehrabbitt: are there jobs in nyc |
| 05:49.42 | nvictor | tehrabbitt: joel is hiring |
| 05:49.43 | ZitZ | i'm in pennsylvania, i had an interview in new jersey, and i've applied in nyc, and anywhere south, i refuse to move anywhere farther north than i am now, lol |
| 05:49.49 | tehrabbitt | joel? |
| 05:49.55 | nvictor | Joel Spolsky |
| 05:49.56 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, nope not many |
| 05:50.02 | tehrabbitt | nvictor, who's that lol |
| 05:50.17 | tehrabbitt | this is the average post iv'e seen |
| 05:50.17 | tehrabbitt | http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/c/f/cf328c957ffb580a71f3f8da43e8be56@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=Linux&rating=99 |
| 05:50.20 | nvictor | well the guy behind StackOverflow |
| 05:50.23 | tehrabbitt | *8+ years of experience in RedHat Enterprise 3.x, 4.x, 5.x |
| 05:50.26 | tehrabbitt | *4+ years of experience in Sun Solaris 8, 9, 10 |
| 05:50.31 | tehrabbitt | *4+ years of VERITAS cluster/ Linux cluster hands on experience. |
| 05:50.38 | tehrabbitt | *Strong programming skills with Perl, awk, sed, Shell script (Bourne, C, Korn) |
| 05:50.38 | nvictor | omg! |
| 05:50.43 | tehrabbitt | *Solid understanding of TCP/IP and basic networking - ability to use and understand output of tcpdump/snoop |
| 05:50.47 | tehrabbitt | *Administration of Unix core services and applications such as NIS, NFS, automount, DNS, DHCP, Samba, SendMail, Apache, NTP, sudo, Jumpstart/Kickstart, LDAP, SSH |
| 05:50.52 | tehrabbitt | *Hands-on experience with virtualization technologies (Solaris Zones, Xen, VMWare, etc.) |
| 05:50.55 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: what percentage of jobs that you applied to would you say respond with more than just a confirmation e-mail |
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| 05:51.11 | nevyn | hrm this is OT btw guys |
| 05:51.11 | ZitZ | lol, so basically they're looking for Richard Stallman? |
| 05:51.23 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, out of the about 100 i've applied to? only one, asking for refrences and after sending it, didn't hear anything |
| 05:51.29 | tehrabbitt | Yes, they're lookign for stallman lol |
| 05:51.30 | tehrabbitt | *Good understanding of EMC SAN storage arrays and NetAPP Network Appliances |
| 05:51.41 | tehrabbitt | they dont only want you to know everything about linux, but SAN and EMC as well |
| 05:51.43 | nevyn | so I could do that. |
| 05:51.45 | tehrabbitt | as well as virtualization etc |
| 05:51.46 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 05:51.48 | EagleRock | ZitZ: worse: they're looking for Richard Stallman without all of the idealism |
| 05:52.06 | tehrabbitt | most likely willing to pay around 50K too |
| 05:52.09 | ZitZ | lol, i've had the same response rate, only i got an interview |
| 05:52.18 | tehrabbitt | mind you, that job is through a temp agency |
| 05:52.20 | nevyn | I wouldn't do that for 50k ;) |
| 05:52.21 | ZitZ | so RMS without idealism for 50k |
| 05:52.27 | dspace | * Must be able to build custom OS in Assembly |
| 05:52.31 | tehrabbitt | LOL |
| 05:52.32 | ZitZ | lol |
| 05:52.33 | EagleRock | tehrabbitt: one time I saw a company on craigslist request for a similar suite of experience for 45K |
| 05:52.33 | tehrabbitt | so true |
| 05:52.45 | tehrabbitt | EagleRock, I see that all the time on craigslist |
| 05:52.52 | dspace | * Starting salary, $7.50/h |
| 05:52.53 | nevyn | also remember that job ads are something of a wishlist |
| 05:52.53 | EagleRock | my friend and I responded from an anonymous email letting them know they were insulting people that know what they're doing |
| 05:52.58 | tehrabbitt | Candidate must have 5-7 years* experience with the following: |
| 05:52.58 | tehrabbitt | Full software development lifecycle in the Digital Media space |
| 05:52.58 | tehrabbitt | Experience with Content management system, preferably implemented one based on JCR e.g. Day CQ, Magnolia |
| 05:52.58 | tehrabbitt | Proficiency in JSP development and related technologies (EJB, JavaBeans and Java per se) |
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| 05:53.02 | EagleRock | the next day they reposted wil salary listed as 'open' |
| 05:53.10 | EagleRock | with* |
| 05:53.11 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 05:53.13 | tehrabbitt | Understanding, installation , administration and debugging of Web servers, e.g. Apache, Application servers e.g. Tomcat |
| 05:53.13 | tehrabbitt | Proficiency in XML and related technologies, including XSLT, XML dialects such as SOAP. |
| 05:53.19 | tehrabbitt | it's like WTF |
| 05:53.24 | nevyn | EagleRock: that's worse |
| 05:53.44 | EagleRock | nevyn: agreed, because some guy might actually apply for it with hope he is getting a decent salary for his worth |
| 05:53.45 | nevyn | EagleRock: at least if they post a number you can tell before you waste time applying. |
| 05:53.52 | tehrabbitt | look at this one... |
| 05:53.53 | tehrabbitt | http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/d/6/d66fd844ddd67c5ed0d5241a6544b32a@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=Linux&rating=99 |
| 05:54.00 | tehrabbitt | 6 month contract (temp) position |
| 05:54.12 | Iraqi1 | :D tehrabbitt I think you got kicked because talk much so every thing you want say write on paste.debian.net then paste link here :p |
| 05:54.15 | tehrabbitt | Work with storage, backup and database administrators on the management of SAN/NAS (EMC products), SYBASE, ORACLE and DB2 databases and LEGATO backup system. |
| 05:54.15 | tehrabbitt | Good understanding of Network Operating Systems and services like Linux, MS 2003/2000, DNS, SMTP, SMNP, LDAP and AD. |
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| 05:54.32 | tehrabbitt | Iraqi1, yea i accidently spanned multiple messages by accident |
| 05:54.38 | EagleRock | tehrabbitt: I love how they refer to every skill being needed on "Windows, LINUX, and UNIX systems" |
| 05:54.41 | tehrabbitt | didn't realize there were a bunch of <br>s in there |
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| 05:54.43 | deadbeef | guys, what's the best desktop search tool available on debian? i'd like to search on a quite large collection of pdf files |
| 05:54.48 | tehrabbitt | EagleRock, Exactly |
| 05:54.49 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: that looks reasonable. |
| 05:55.01 | dspace | That's the thing, aren't salaries for those jobs highly dependent on experience? |
| 05:55.03 | tehrabbitt | Experience Required |
| 05:55.04 | nevyn | deadbeef: so if you havn't indexed them. |
| 05:55.04 | tehrabbitt | Minimum tfhree years of progressively responsible and relevant professional experience in system administration. |
| 05:55.04 | tehrabbitt | Proven track record in implementing, troubleshooting and administrating Windows and Linux servers. |
| 05:55.04 | tehrabbitt | Working experience with the following services WSUS , NFS, CIFS, LDAP, DNS, AD, SAN and NAS. |
| 05:55.04 | tehrabbitt | Experience in both public and private sectors is desirable. |
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| 05:55.09 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 05:55.20 | ZitZ | lol, so they want you to run their whole system for six months single handedly |
| 05:55.23 | deadbeef | nevyn: the search tool could index them as well |
| 05:55.32 | ZitZ | yeah, i was about to worn you that you'd get kicked for that |
| 05:55.32 | tehrabbitt | mind you, the job is for 6 months |
| 05:55.34 | mrdeb | tehrabbitt: did you answer the question |
| 05:55.37 | tehrabbitt | and its titled "Linux Administrator" |
| 05:55.42 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, didnt' see the question sorry |
| 05:55.46 | nevyn | deadbeef: do you need to do searches on them all the time? or do you just need to do a search right now? |
| 05:55.50 | EagleRock | and my wife wonders why I don't dive into the job market while I hate my job |
| 05:55.55 | mrdeb | nm |
| 05:55.57 | deadbeef | nevyn: all the time |
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| 05:56.11 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, what was the question |
| 05:56.13 | mrdeb | EagleRock: everyone hates their jobs |
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| 05:56.33 | EagleRock | mrdeb: exactly, and looking for work is even more depressing, even in this economy |
| 05:56.42 | tehrabbitt | look at this one... |
| 05:56.43 | nevyn | deadbeef: hrm there's a couple of word based search engines. stringi comes to mind |
| 05:56.43 | tehrabbitt | http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/c/e/ce8ba7c88dd160ae7c90dcf0c9b5ed5b@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=Linux&rating=99 |
| 05:56.44 | mrdeb | yeah |
| 05:56.46 | nevyn | but there's others. |
| 05:56.47 | tehrabbitt | 60-80K |
| 05:56.48 | tehrabbitt | BUT |
| 05:56.52 | tehrabbitt | look at everything they want you to know |
| 05:57.04 | mrdeb | tehrabbitt: the question was bout nyc. but how about this on intsead: how do you turn off cache in chromium |
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| 05:57.12 | deadbeef | nevyn: on my laptop i use google desktop search which is amazing, but in the lab we got a few boxes which aren't x86 |
| 05:57.35 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, hm, not sure, never had a reason to turn cache off in chrome |
| 05:57.37 | fake51 | hi, i have a problem with the command 'less' - sometimes it works just fine and it responds directly to key presses ... other times it needs a return before working. Why would it do the latter? |
| 05:57.38 | deadbeef | so i was looking for something open |
| 05:58.04 | mrdeb | tehrabbitt: has to be done wih solid state didsk |
| 05:58.18 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, I know you can disable some of it under "privacy" under "under the hood" inside prefrences |
| 05:58.28 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: so that's what I'd call a mid -> senior role 80k is lowballing it but might be acceptable in a depressed market. |
| 05:58.38 | ZitZ | yeah, they want you to know everything, and you can't know all software packages, in the statistics field some companies you SQL others access, some use SAS very few R, which is what i know |
| 05:58.51 | wols_ | mrdeb: you don't turn off caches in modern browsers |
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| 05:59.08 | tehrabbitt | nevyn, but thing is, thats all there is for "entry level" people to apply for |
| 05:59.08 | mrdeb | wols_: have to with solid disk |
| 05:59.10 | ZitZ | you can't know every language / software suite fresh out of college |
| 05:59.26 | wols_ | mrdeb: no you don't. unless you browse gigabytes of data per day |
| 05:59.32 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, i'm looking for a solution hold on |
| 05:59.33 | mrdeb | it will kill the drie |
| 05:59.34 | mrdeb | drive |
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| 05:59.40 | ZitZ | some guy with 10 years of experience is out of work ready to take that job though |
| 05:59.49 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: it sucks. but IT entry positions are Service Desk |
| 05:59.52 | wols_ | mrdeb: you need to do your calculations again |
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| 06:00.12 | mrdeb | i read the articles. i know the guides say to turn it off |
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| 06:00.37 | wols_ | mrdeb: I ask you again, how many gigabytes per day are written to the browser cache? |
| 06:00.44 | tehrabbitt | nevyn, Yes, making about $8/hr here near NYC |
| 06:00.59 | wols_ | mrdeb: and how many gigabytes per day is the drive good for over the projected lifespan? |
| 06:01.17 | mrdeb | thedrive is small |
| 06:01.26 | mrdeb | and it will write 300mb |
| 06:01.29 | ZitZ | that's horrible |
| 06:01.35 | mrdeb | id rather cache it toram |
| 06:01.43 | EagleRock | $8/hr in NYC? ouch. |
| 06:01.49 | wols_ | mrdeb: don't distract |
| 06:01.56 | mrdeb | 8 a hour |
| 06:01.59 | wols_ | mrdeb: and what hinders you to cache in ram? |
| 06:01.59 | mrdeb | you cant live on that |
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| 06:02.15 | mrdeb | i dont know how to cache it in ram except maybe set it in fstab |
| 06:02.18 | EagleRock | wols_: sorry, that is better gearted towards offtopic |
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| 06:02.56 | wols_ | EagleRock: you mean talking about admin jobs is on topic? |
| 06:03.05 | ZitZ | lol, yeah we are off topic |
| 06:03.13 | EagleRock | wols_: I was referring to what I was talking about, and was apologizing for it |
| 06:03.20 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, I know theres a place in chrome to get to advanced settings |
| 06:03.36 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: :( |
| 06:03.37 | ZitZ | and that would be on topic |
| 06:03.39 | tehrabbitt | and no, it's impossible to live on 8/hr especially when student loans are about 1K / month |
| 06:03.48 | wols_ | mrdeb: any cache location is only a symlink away. and you can have lots of ramdsisks if you want |
| 06:04.45 | ZitZ | unfortunately, my opinion as an unemployed actuary/economist is that things aren't getting any better any time soon |
| 06:04.47 | tehrabbitt | i'm still looking for the option hold on, i found it a while back cuz i needed to modify some of the actual settings |
| 06:05.37 | EagleRock | ZitZ: agreed, but I do have to agree with wols_ that we should probably kick this convo over to #debian-offtopic |
| 06:05.37 | mrdeb | wols_: so i should do this in fstab? |
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| 06:06.01 | ZitZ | absolutely, lol |
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| 06:07.49 | tehrabbitt | http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/common/chrome_switches.cc |
| 06:07.52 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb, http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/common/chrome_switches.cc |
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| 06:08.24 | tehrabbitt | you might be able to set cache size to 0MB |
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| 06:08.50 | tehrabbitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.17 | wols_ | tehrabbitt: you need to compile it to set cache sizes? wow. is it 1980 again? |
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| 06:09.43 | tehrabbitt | wols_, No, i posted the source so you could see the variables that needed to be passed through when chrome starts |
| 06:09.46 | tehrabbitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.06 | tehrabbitt | if you set it like that on launch, it'll prevent it from caching |
| 06:10.08 | tehrabbitt | or at least it should |
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| 06:13.13 | tehrabbitt | welcome back ZitZ |
| 06:13.14 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 06:13.21 | tehrabbitt | mrdeb any luck? |
| 06:14.24 | ZitZ | thank you tehrabbit, i don't have a power manager installed so i don't know how much battery i have left, does anyone know a power manager that isn't part of a DE? |
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| 06:15.04 | somiaj | ZitZ: what wm do you use? xosview I think has one in there. conky or a system monintor should be just fine to |
| 06:15.20 | somiaj | ZitZ: you could also just cat the cooresponding file in /proc that gives the amount of power left. |
| 06:16.19 | sidh | Greetings |
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| 06:18.17 | sidh | I have a hosted server based on debian , is there a way to load an alternate "interfaces" (say /etc/network/interfaces-test) file , in order that if it fails, I could simply reboot the server from the web interface of the hoster , and at boot it would load the working default /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 06:19.37 | somiaj | sidh: one 'hack' that would work is put a script in /etc/rc.local to copy the working interfaces file in place |
| 06:19.59 | wols_ | somiaj: rc.local is run after the interfaces are borught up |
| 06:20.12 | ZitZ | i think i'll use the battery screenlet since i already have screenlets running, i use compiz as a standalone wm |
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| 06:22.14 | somiaj | sidh: as wols_ that is done after the interfaces are brought up. But it allows your boot to use the test one and then copy a good one there. Write a small init script and put it before the network is brought up if you prefer that. |
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| 06:23.30 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, W00t, fixed the layout of my website... it finally looks better now lol |
| 06:23.42 | sidh | somiaj: wols_ thank you very much , I go that way |
| 06:23.53 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, did you get a chance to look at my resume? if so, any suggestions on it? |
| 06:24.08 | wols_ | sidh: test it first before you do it |
| 06:24.27 | wols_ | a fallback/backup which hasn't been tested is none |
| 06:24.42 | sidh | sure |
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| 06:25.25 | ZitZ | i did look at your resume, but considering that i've spent a year unemployed i don't know if i'm the best person to be handing out advice, lol |
| 06:26.11 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 06:26.46 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, I added a link to the "bsdiff" package from my writeup on the audiobug so if people want to download it direct from the debian packages site they can |
| 06:26.47 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 06:26.55 | tehrabbitt | (I try to be thorough) |
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| 06:27.51 | ZitZ | you resume is very similar to mine in layout and such, did you use scribus? |
| 06:28.17 | ZitZ | oh, i do know that you don't have to say you'll provide references on the bottom, it's assumed that you would :) |
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| 06:28.32 | ectospasm | I'm trying to install one package (vlc) from wheezy on squeeze, and I'm running into .h dependency hell. Would it be advisable to simply upgrade from squeeze->wheezy, so at least that package will be up to date? |
| 06:28.51 | ZitZ | or wait for a possible backport |
| 06:28.54 | ectospasm | I feel pretty confident that I could address any issues with the upgrade. |
| 06:29.32 | ectospasm | ZitZ: waiting for a backport sounds like it'd take a long time. |
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| 06:29.43 | ectospasm | ...I like to be more proactive |
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| 06:29.55 | ectospasm | ...rather than waiting with my hat in my hands. |
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| 06:30.01 | Iraqi1 | tehrabbitt: I followed this http://wiki.debian.org/ar5523 to install driver Atheros AR5523 but in step coomand line : # m-a a-i ar5523 I got this error : http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7112/screenshotdi.png but LED of my USD WLAN Card is working fine like in windows ?How fix this error in image? ;-) |
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| 06:30.38 | ZitZ | yeah or you could try to make your own backport, but if you feel like you're ready for an upgrade to wheezy then i say go for it |
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| 06:31.20 | ectospasm | ZitZ: I tried to make my own backport, and vlc has sooo many dependencies it's not worth the time. |
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| 06:31.49 | Iraqi1 | debhelper: give me op to kick you ;-) |
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| 06:33.01 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: your website is similar to mine too in layout, a little more polished, unfortunately all i think websites do is demonstrate that you have a lot of time on your hands because you don't have a job, lol |
| 06:33.33 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 06:33.50 | tehrabbitt | sad thing is, i made that site during my free time when I had my job before I got laid off :-\ |
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| 06:34.25 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, link to your site? |
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| 06:34.54 | ZitZ | http://pauljones.zxq.net/ |
| 06:35.11 | ectospasm | tehrabbitt: this is OT, take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 06:35.21 | tehrabbitt | sorry ecto |
| 06:35.59 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: there is a #debian-offtopic btw |
| 06:36.18 | ZitZ | ectospasm: you tried installing the vlc sid package on your stable install and it didn't work? |
| 06:36.33 | ectospasm | ZitZ: no |
| 06:37.09 | somiaj | ectospasm: have you checked multimedia.debian.org or backports.debian.org? |
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| 06:37.29 | ectospasm | I tried building the vlc (1.1.9) in testing as a source package, and it has too many dependencies on specific versions. |
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| 06:37.51 | ZitZ | ectospasm: see if you can get away with using the sid package |
| 06:37.56 | ectospasm | somiaj: the Debian multimedia package of vlc is known to be broken horribly, and backports doesn't have vlc listed. |
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| 06:38.29 | somiaj | ectospasm: well wheezy will run just fine, but its not going to be suggested unless you want to fix any bugs you run across while you wait for it to stablize |
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| 06:38.47 | somiaj | ZitZ: that is bad advise, don't want to install sid packages on stable. |
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| 06:39.52 | somiaj | ectospasm: usually not suggested if its only one piece of software you need upto date, but yes backporting that could take a bit cause of all of its multimedia dependencies |
| 06:39.52 | Iraqi1 | debhelper: I'm waiting .... |
| 06:39.55 | wols_ | ectospasm: what are the errors you get when trying to backport? |
| 06:39.56 | Iraqi1 | :D |
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| 06:40.15 | ZitZ | it's not the worst advice, i think i have a sid version of vlc on a stable box, it'll work in a pinch |
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| 06:41.31 | tehrabbitt | IIRC, chrome (not chromium) is still a sid version |
| 06:42.06 | tehrabbitt | i mean i guess if there's alot of dependencies for the package to run, i wouldn't mess with it |
| 06:42.14 | mrdeb | does anyone know when flash cache is stored, so i can tmpfs it |
| 06:42.19 | mrdeb | where |
| 06:42.20 | tehrabbitt | but if it's one or two, and they're not vital for anything else, running a sid package couldnt' hurt too bad |
| 06:42.21 | ZitZ | yeah of course, don't put sid glib on your stable |
| 06:42.44 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, unless your goal is to have an unbootable system :-p lol |
| 06:42.45 | mrdeb | im not. just using testing |
| 06:42.52 | wols_ | tehrabbitt: sid packages always drag in libc6. the end |
| 06:43.11 | somiaj | ZitZ: most sid packages depend on sid versions of core system. So to install a sid package you need to install the sid dependencies, and once you drag in libc6 your core system isn't even stable |
| 06:43.12 | tehrabbitt | wols_, :-\ how come i'm able to run chrome then.... unless maybe they changed that? hm |
| 06:43.12 | ZitZ | it gets more dangerous the older stable gets in relation to sid |
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| 06:43.22 | ompaul | ZitZ: it will work until glibc changes or some such |
| 06:43.25 | wols_ | tehrabbitt: cause chrome isn't debian software |
| 06:43.27 | tehrabbitt | wols_, then again i'm running testing |
| 06:43.27 | kingsley | Is there anything that'll go through every other package installed on a computer, re-download it, extract every binary or script from the re-downloaded package, and for each binary or script, compare it to the installed version to check for malicious code? |
| 06:43.29 | simonlnu | mrdeb: ~/.macromedia ~/.adobe usually |
| 06:43.29 | tehrabbitt | ah true |
| 06:43.45 | simonlnu | mrdeb: check in ~/.cache and ~/.local/share too |
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| 06:44.00 | wols_ | !tell kingsley about debsums |
| 06:44.22 | mrdeb | ok let me see |
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| 06:44.45 | mrdeb | thank you. it's in .macro |
| 06:44.51 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 06:45.17 | mah454 | I use 32bit system . now How can i make 64bit deb file with source code ? |
| 06:45.37 | kingsley | wols_: Thanks. debsums looks at least close. I'm wondering if can list all installed packages and download them. |
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| 06:46.11 | tehrabbitt | hm good question mah454 .... i know you can go from 64 to 32, just never thought about crosscompiling the other way |
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| 06:46.29 | wols_ | mah454: 64bit debian install in a chroot? |
| 06:46.39 | somiaj | kingsley: you could write a script, but if you are worried about mallicious code why don't you make a fresh install -- it could be hiding in a file not from a deb package. |
| 06:46.40 | Miesco | What packages do I need to program with opengl api? |
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| 06:47.06 | mah454 | wols_ no |
| 06:47.25 | somiaj | mah454: have you looked up cross compiling? |
| 06:47.31 | republican_devil | burp |
| 06:47.35 | republican_devil | scheme roks |
| 06:47.58 | kingsley | somiaj: I agree. |
| 06:48.11 | wols_ | Iraqi1: what gcc and what kernel version? |
| 06:48.22 | rgr | erm, my localhost/phpmyadmin is working but where is the apache config file enabling this? There is no symlink in /var/www and no host file in sites-enabled. |
| 06:49.07 | mah454 | I use 32bit system and install debian 32bit operating system on this ... |
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| 06:49.33 | mah454 | Now i need make 64bit package ... |
| 06:49.46 | republican_devil | lol |
| 06:49.53 | republican_devil | archlinux is best os ive seen |
| 06:49.58 | somiaj | mah454: that way may not be easily done as opposed to the other way around. |
| 06:49.59 | kingsley | somiaj: However, if my script did find malicious code, it might tell me how the hacker accessed the computer, so that could be avoided in the future. It might also tell me which backups to not restore from. |
| 06:50.01 | republican_devil | maybe i should give debian a try |
| 06:50.03 | republican_devil | again |
| 06:50.08 | republican_devil | I neve rliekd debian packager |
| 06:50.16 | republican_devil | is ther dep hell with it like deadrat? |
| 06:50.18 | ompaul | !ops republican_devil is trolling |
| 06:50.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ompaul complains about: republican_devil is trolling |
| 06:50.41 | tehrabbitt | kingsley, i doubt it'll help *much* but look into splunk for keeping tabs on files / indexing the data inside them.. good for keeping tabs on logs |
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| 06:51.13 | republican_devil | am not |
| 06:51.16 | tehrabbitt | kingsley, it's helped me when my webserver got hacked a while back and i had to find where the vulnerability was |
| 06:51.18 | republican_devil | am asking how debian is ncie |
| 06:52.01 | wols_ | republican_devil: then you maybe should review your normal mode of conduct considerably |
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| 06:52.07 | mah454 | somiaj this meaning ... I can not make 64bit package ? |
| 06:52.13 | republican_devil | wel lets compare |
| 06:52.14 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, do you know how I can get eclipse / android SDK set up in debian? |
| 06:52.20 | republican_devil | arch has rolling pgrade including kernel |
| 06:52.27 | ompaul | republican_devil: and no checksums |
| 06:52.30 | republican_devil | arch has pacamn deb has aptitude |
| 06:52.37 | republican_devil | oh no it does checksum |
| 06:52.39 | republican_devil | ;) |
| 06:52.46 | wols_ | !tell republican_devil about enter |
| 06:52.46 | republican_devil | arch has gcc4.5 |
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| 06:53.05 | somiaj | mah454: simple google search gave many answers -- look at the package gcc-4.x-multilib, and then pass gcc -m64 -fPIC flags |
| 06:53.05 | wols_ | republican_devil: do you have a debian related problem or question? this channel is not for rambling |
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| 06:53.10 | tehrabbitt | republican_devil, so what are you asking |
| 06:53.12 | DIFTOW | Hi |
| 06:53.36 | republican_devil | how hard is upgrading debian in production? |
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| 06:53.46 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: i only managed that in arch, the debian package is in limbo and outdated, i couldn't get it to connect to the eclipse software repository or the google repository to download the necessary plugins |
| 06:53.48 | republican_devil | and how often is updating softweare a problem leading to dependency hell? |
| 06:53.51 | wols_ | republican_devil: very very easy if you stay with stable |
| 06:54.11 | EagleRock | republican_devil: assuming you're using stable, it's pretty much 4-5 commands an upgrade |
| 06:54.11 | wols_ | republican_devil: it won't. many debian users have decade old installations |
| 06:54.15 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, so most likely i'd be better compiling from scratch? |
| 06:54.16 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 06:54.26 | somiaj | mah454: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=518979 is what I found. I know complining 32 bit binaries on 64 bit machines is fairly easy if you have the 32bit emulation in the kernel -- never tried the other way around, but appears you can do it. |
| 06:54.29 | republican_devil | how well does debian play with SAN nics? |
| 06:54.38 | tehrabbitt | republican_devil, very well actually |
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| 06:54.42 | republican_devil | does it have gcc 4.5? |
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| 06:55.09 | kingsley | tehrabbitt: Where did you get splunk from? |
| 06:55.14 | tehrabbitt | thinks republican_devil should install SID and check out the latest and greatest lol |
| 06:55.22 | somiaj | republican_devil: packages.debian.org -- gcc 4.6 in this sid instalation. |
| 06:55.32 | ZitZ | tehrabbitt: lol, you can try, when i tried that too it also wouldn't download from the eclipse repository |
| 06:55.33 | republican_devil | oow |
| 06:55.40 | republican_devil | well maybe give a try for fun tonght= |
| 06:55.43 | tehrabbitt | kingsley, http://www.splunk.com/product |
| 06:55.43 | republican_devil | what the hell right |
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| 06:55.54 | ZitZ | i think debian is still on eclipse galileo when the latest is helios 3.5 and 3.6 respectively |
| 06:56.03 | republican_devil | splunk,, along with oracle, suarcrm, jira, confluence, and wordpess are great evil |
| 06:56.06 | republican_devil | to be avoided |
| 06:56.14 | republican_devil | at all cost |
| 06:56.23 | tehrabbitt | uh whatever you say republican_devil |
| 06:56.24 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 06:56.28 | iluminator101 | is there like a timer app you guys recommend? |
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| 06:56.45 | nevyn | timer app like for time tracking? |
| 06:56.54 | tehrabbitt | kingsley, http://www.splunk.com/download?r=header |
| 06:56.58 | tehrabbitt | thats the download page |
| 06:57.10 | tehrabbitt | I like to point it to /var/logs for instance |
| 06:57.14 | kingsley | tehrabbitt: I'll check it out. |
| 06:57.27 | tehrabbitt | gives you a nice "google-like" search ability to search through all your logs / find patterns and trends |
| 06:57.38 | republican_devil | egrep! |
| 06:57.42 | republican_devil | tcl string match! |
| 06:57.56 | republican_devil | awk! |
| 06:58.12 | tehrabbitt | thinks republican_devil still uses linx to watch youtube videos... |
| 06:58.28 | ZitZ | that would be badass |
| 06:58.28 | EagleRock | also believes spinning cubes are involved |
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| 06:58.37 | tehrabbitt | haha |
| 06:58.38 | nikolaibo | www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info |
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| 06:58.43 | tehrabbitt | WTF |
| 06:59.11 | Iraqi1 | this is all one page |
| 06:59.35 | Iraqi1 | tehrabbitt: you didn't help me ? |
| 06:59.44 | tehrabbitt | Iraqi1, sorry I didn't see your question |
| 07:00.04 | tehrabbitt | Iraqi1, a spam bot flooded the screen |
| 07:00.11 | tehrabbitt | what was your question? |
| 07:00.21 | Iraqi1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.23 | republican_devil | I watch lots of shemale porn, but also support xen, firewalls, oracle rac, cherokee, apache, vmware, hitschi san, netapp, softraid, bonding, horizontal scaling, tomcat, php, jira, confluence, bash, tcl, scheme, forth |
| 07:00.24 | Iraqi1 | tehrabbitt: this |
| 07:00.28 | republican_devil | I know 8 os |
| 07:00.38 | republican_devil | netbsd is realy kinda cool |
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| 07:00.48 | ZitZ | how does one go about making a spam bot anyway? |
| 07:01.03 | tehrabbitt | hm |
| 07:01.17 | ompaul | republican_devil: your personal wish to converse would be met with friendly fire in #defocus a chat channel you poor lonely person you |
| 07:01.24 | tehrabbitt | ZitZ, basically make an IRC client, that connects to random channels and just floods |
| 07:01.30 | republican_devil | ompaul: ha ha comedy |
| 07:01.42 | republican_devil | anyone here run thier biz on debain? |
| 07:01.48 | republican_devil | make over 200k? |
| 07:01.53 | ZitZ | ah, good to know |
| 07:02.02 | EagleRock | republican_devil: considering I never heard of debain, I can't say yes |
| 07:02.08 | ompaul | republican_devil: yes |
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| 07:02.14 | tehrabbitt | republican_devil, yes |
| 07:02.19 | republican_devil | nice |
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| 07:02.37 | republican_devil | do you firewall with openbsd? or just use deb? |
| 07:02.43 | tehrabbitt | republican_devil, have you realized that this arguement can work for any OS not just debian? |
| 07:02.47 | republican_devil | do you route with deb? |
| 07:02.52 | ompaul | of course |
| 07:03.01 | republican_devil | liek openBGP? |
| 07:03.05 | republican_devil | not simple staics |
| 07:03.07 | ompaul | end to end ya muppet |
| 07:03.14 | republican_devil | whats muppet |
| 07:03.17 | ompaul | you |
| 07:03.24 | republican_devil | haaa |
| 07:03.25 | ompaul | holds up a mirror to republican_devil |
| 07:03.26 | EagleRock | ompaul: LOL |
| 07:03.31 | republican_devil | I thought some openBGP gui lol |
| 07:03.39 | ompaul | that you are looking at right now in the mirror |
| 07:03.45 | republican_devil | openbsd is pretty wild, throw away cisco stuff use openbsd |
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| 07:04.04 | republican_devil | ompaul: you dont sound like a 200k guy |
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| 07:04.33 | ompaul | republican_devil: it ain't an it company |
| 07:04.51 | ompaul | s/it/IT/ |
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| 07:05.04 | republican_devil | oh? |
| 07:05.17 | ompaul | wanders off to do work and not feed the troll |
| 07:05.28 | republican_devil | troll callers are so boring |
| 07:05.36 | republican_devil | usually poor roo |
| 07:05.38 | republican_devil | too |
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| 07:12.37 | sidh | when I try ' ip route add default via MY.SECOND.GW dev dummy0 table mhroute2' I get RTNETLINK answers: No such process, would you have any idea ? |
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| 07:15.46 | eap | sidh, check your routing table |
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| 07:16.34 | sidh | eap: with that command ? ip route show table mhroute2 |
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| 07:17.43 | mrc2 | hi! i got a strange problem with an usb drive |
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| 07:18.11 | eap | sidh, 'route -n' |
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| 07:18.19 | mrc2 | after i plugged it in i cannot see its partitions, i.e. i have only /dev/sdb |
| 07:18.43 | buhman | mrc2: are there any partitions on it? |
| 07:18.52 | mrc2 | but if list the partitions with fdisk, /dev/sdb1 is created |
| 07:19.11 | sidh | eap: in route -n the device dummy0 is not listed |
| 07:19.14 | mrc2 | buhman: yes and fdisk shows them |
| 07:19.43 | wols_ | mrc2: have the partitions a filesystem created on it? |
| 07:20.07 | mrc2 | wols_: yes |
| 07:20.17 | wols_ | and what happens when you try to mount it? |
| 07:20.29 | Jordan_U | mrc2: What is the ouptut of "sudo kpartx /dev/sdb"? |
| 07:20.52 | nsadmin | you say a partition is -created- |
| 07:20.53 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 07:21.12 | mrc2 | wols_: i can mount the partition only after i listed the partition with fdisk |
| 07:21.35 | cafejunkie | Does anyone happen to be running an Acer Aspire One with the pineview chipset (Intel GMA 3150) |
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| 07:22.09 | cafejunkie | or notice any thermal issues with intel integrated graphics? |
| 07:22.19 | mrc2 | nsadmin: no, the special file /dev/sdb1 |
| 07:22.23 | wols_ | !tell cafejunkie about ask |
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| 07:23.04 | nsadmin | and when you try mounting it? |
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| 07:23.48 | mrc2 | nsadmin: if the special file /dev/sdb1 does not exists i cannot mount it |
| 07:24.02 | mrc2 | nsadmin: so, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
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| 07:24.35 | nsadmin | so it gets created then? |
| 07:24.37 | mrc2 | automagically the system views the partition and then I can mount it |
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| 07:24.46 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 07:25.52 | mrc2 | Jordan_U: just a second... |
| 07:26.14 | iluminator101 | i was wondering is there like a text to audio program kind of like in the kindle? |
| 07:26.47 | mrc2 | Jordan_U: /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found |
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| 07:27.03 | nsadmin | , info festival |
| 07:27.05 | judd | Package festival (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: General multi-lingual speech synthesis system. Version: 1:2.0.95~beta-5.1; Size: 893.3k; Installed: 2584k; Homepage: http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/ |
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| 07:29.16 | mrc2 | Jordan_U: sdb1 : 0 31283858 /dev/sdb 52 |
| 07:30.26 | mrc2 | btw this is not really a problem, just one more step to mount the drive |
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| 07:31.30 | wols_ | checked dmesg when you plug the drive in? |
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| 07:37.44 | kavakava | I am trying to force shutdown my machine with a normal user using this method: http://linax.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/linux-force-reboot-and-shutdown/ --- I am trying to change ownership, but I get "Operation not permitted". Any way around this (maybe using sudo?)? |
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| 07:40.15 | wols_ | kavakava: change ownership of what? |
| 07:40.44 | kavakava | Of the files listed under "force shutdown" method. |
| 07:40.47 | wols_ | and why do you need to force shutdown like this with a normal user? what's wrong with the shutdown command? |
| 07:40.48 | antivigilante | i upgraded udev and X can't find the mouse or keyboard |
| 07:41.07 | wols_ | antivigilante: sid? /msg dpkg sid |
| 07:42.12 | kavakava | wols_: I am shutting down 20-30 machines at once, and there are often 2-3 machines which stops during the shutdown. |
| 07:42.22 | kavakava | Both with the shutdown and poweroff command. |
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| 07:44.04 | Gryllida | how do I use echo to change password without bash interaction? like echo "pass" | echo "pass" | passwd username, but so that it doesn't say 'authrntication error' |
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| 07:45.27 | kavakava | Try echo $password | passwd --stdin $username |
| 07:45.32 | wols_ | kavakava: I'd use a suid binary to do it |
| 07:46.43 | sedulous | my GDM + Gnome system is not setting SSH_AGENT_PID anymore. it worked until a recent update. i'm running debian sid. has anyone else experienced this? (ssh-agent is still started by gnome) |
| 07:47.01 | kavakava | wols_: Good idea. I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 07:47.52 | wols_ | !tell sedulous about sid |
| 07:48.43 | sedulous | wols_: #debian-next is not accessible |
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| 07:49.46 | wols_ | sedulous: read the factoid again. oftc |
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| 07:52.06 | sedulous | wols_: ah yeah, thanks |
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| 07:56.47 | buhman | if I'm building a new kernel, is there anything special I have to do after make install, mkinitrd, update-grub? |
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| 07:58.40 | dirtycookie | hello people, im searching for a decent howto site how i can make my own local apt-mirror |
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| 08:10.07 | wols_ | buhman: you are doing it wrong |
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| 08:10.38 | wols_ | !tell buhman about kernel-package |
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| 08:11.09 | jmarsden | dirtycookie: aptitude install apt-mirror # then man apt-mirror |
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| 08:12.58 | buhman | wols_: how? |
| 08:13.10 | iluminator101 | is there a security hardened version of debian? |
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| 08:13.48 | wols_ | buhman: dpkg just told you |
| 08:13.54 | babilen | iluminator101: No, but the "Securing Debian Manual" discusses a lot of security aspects and how to implement them on Debian |
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| 08:14.01 | buhman | wols_: I see, but it doesn't explain what kernel-package is |
| 08:14.14 | wols_ | buhman: and apt-cache show kernel-package is so hard? |
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| 08:14.42 | buhman | wols_: WOW that's cool |
| 08:15.28 | wols_ | very |
| 08:15.44 | buhman | wols_: if I'm just a few minutes away from finishing my current build, will make-kpkg need to do everything all over again? |
| 08:15.55 | buhman | will it make clean? |
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| 08:20.58 | wols_ | buhman: it won't |
| 08:22.30 | cheako | Hello, I'm trying to get sudo to not prompt for a password... |
| 08:22.35 | cheako | www-data root = (root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/6in4cfg.pl |
| 08:23.22 | fureddo | I'm using mantis on Lenny and would like to migrate my installation on a new Squeeze server. What's the best way to do that, considering that mantis's version is 1.1.6+dfsg-2lenny4 on Lenny and 1.1.8+dfsg-10 on Squeeze? |
| 08:23.33 | cheako | http://pastebin.com/vThsPuM8 |
| 08:23.40 | nkuttler | cheako: man 5 sudoers |
| 08:24.18 | ansgar | cheako: And you should use /usr/local/sbin, not /sbin. |
| 08:24.22 | cheako | nkuttler: Did that 1st. |
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| 08:24.31 | cheako | That's a good idea. |
| 08:24.35 | cheako | ansgar |
| 08:24.37 | fureddo | Is it possible to install Lenny's version of mantis on Squeeze, and then upgrade the application? |
| 08:25.19 | cheako | It seams that using: |
| 08:25.36 | cheako | www-data ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/6in4cfg.pl |
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| 08:25.46 | cheako | is working, but the above is not. |
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| 08:29.49 | ansgar | cheako: ALL does not only stand for a list of users in your line. So one "root" is probably wrong. |
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| 08:30.17 | cheako | The sudoers man page is supper confusing. |
| 08:30.30 | cheako | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/How_to_configure_Sudo_to_run_programs_as_a_different_user <--- this set me straight. |
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| 08:31.55 | cheako | Yay!! I got it working. |
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| 08:43.47 | michelem | hello folks |
| 08:44.11 | lapsusbrutus | Hello, anyone knows what packages needed to make local cups find shared cups printers automaticly? |
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| 08:44.39 | michelem | I want to display some big buttons on the desktop for quick-start of some commands. Any clue how to do that without building an ad-hoc application? |
| 08:44.55 | dokma | I've got some porn html uploaded to all my virtual hosts |
| 08:45.01 | AnggaDj98 | wow |
| 08:45.03 | dokma | seems like some script is flakey |
| 08:45.10 | michelem | it's a mobile phone, so I'd rather avoid running FireFox to display an HTML page |
| 08:45.23 | dokma | but I can't see a way to detect where the hole is |
| 08:45.38 | dokma | any good suggestions on where to start looking??? |
| 08:45.46 | AnggaDj98 | dokma: apache? |
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| 08:46.04 | dokma | AnggaDj98: hmmm... elaborate that |
| 08:46.12 | dokma | I don't see how apache could be guilty |
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| 08:47.17 | AnggaDj98 | here's a suggestion |
| 08:47.21 | AnggaDj98 | stop watching porn |
| 08:47.22 | AnggaDj98 | heh |
| 08:49.11 | dokma | AnggaDj98: this is on a dedicated server that does not have X installed |
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| 08:50.42 | AnggaDj98 | for porn |
| 08:50.46 | AnggaDj98 | heh |
| 08:51.09 | AnggaDj98 | how about installing apache, it doesn't have to be GUI |
| 08:51.31 | AnggaDj98 | and permit your user to be able to write and read /var/www |
| 08:51.39 | AnggaDj98 | place your htmls at /var/www |
| 08:51.48 | AnggaDj98 | set one html as index.htm |
| 08:51.49 | AnggaDj98 | l |
| 08:52.04 | dokma | AnggaDj98: what are you talking about? Did you turn your brain on? |
| 08:52.21 | dokma | I said that the server was breached and some shit uploaded porn to it |
| 08:52.27 | dokma | which part you don't understand? |
| 08:52.53 | dokma | I'm looking to find which hole was exploited so I can patch it |
| 08:53.04 | dokma | I'm not serving or watching porn |
| 08:53.19 | AnggaDj98 | I did but I didn't really understand the problem |
| 08:53.28 | AnggaDj98 | could you please calm down, I'm sorry okay? |
| 08:53.33 | AnggaDj98 | gosh |
| 08:53.58 | dokma | I'm calm, you just looked stupid answering something you didn't read properly |
| 08:54.53 | AnggaDj98 | :( |
| 08:55.16 | dokma | no offense |
| 08:55.49 | AnggaDj98 | k |
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| 08:56.26 | buhman | wols_: make-kpkg didn't seem to build an initrd for the kernel; should I be worried? |
| 08:56.33 | nkuttler | dokma: time to read your logs |
| 08:56.37 | buhman | wols_: or did I skip a step? |
| 08:56.41 | babilen | !tell buhman about initrd |
| 08:56.56 | babilen | !tell buhman about initramfs |
| 08:57.10 | dokma | nkuttler: I went through them but not being really certain what to look for it makes it a daunting task |
| 08:57.14 | dokma | any hints? |
| 08:57.16 | buhman | babilen: so I don't need one if I've built it myself? |
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| 08:58.35 | babilen | buhman: You don't necessarily need one, but if you look at the manpage of make-kpkg you see that you can pass the "--initrd" option in order to generate one. |
| 08:59.04 | buhman | babilen: oh: should I just try booting the new kernel? or rebuild with initrd first? |
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| 08:59.57 | buhman | it just seems odd (never having built a kernel myself before) that all the sudden I don't have an initrd |
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| 09:05.31 | buhman | yep, that didn't take long to fail |
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| 09:06.43 | Bartzy|work | re |
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| 09:10.40 | republican_devil | debain!! |
| 09:10.45 | republican_devil | almsot as good as archlinux! |
| 09:10.48 | republican_devil | but not quite lolz |
| 09:10.50 | republican_devil | lol |
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| 09:11.16 | republican_devil | ;) |
| 09:11.24 | republican_devil | debian and arch should cross polinate |
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| 09:22.33 | buhman | praise the LORD. kernel 3.0 fixes acer_wmi |
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| 09:22.58 | buhman | my wireless actually behaves properly: I bet I can suspend now too :P |
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| 09:24.37 | Benkinooby | is there a daemon i have to run to obtain an IPv6 address? if my router is connected to the internet during boot, it gets an IPv6 address. if it is not connected during boot and gets connected later, it will not obtain an IPv6 address. |
| 09:25.27 | ksk | how do you "get an ipv6 address"? |
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| 09:25.54 | ksk | you are talking about a linux router? maybe just do a dhcp request again? |
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| 09:39.43 | Benkinooby | ksk, ipv6 works different from ipv4. with ipv6 there is no need for a dhcp server to obtain an ipv6 address. the procedure is as follows: my router sends an broadcast, the router of the network i am connected to answers giving me the info for the prefix (=network address), my router then generates an ipv6 address with this prefix and checks if it is free. if it is free my router takes this ipv6 address and everything is fine. |
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| 09:40.18 | Benkinooby | ksk, my OS is LEAF Bering uClibc 4.0 wich seems to be a derivate of Debain. |
| 09:40.35 | Guthur | I have an environment issue and I'm looking for suggestions... |
| 09:40.37 | Guthur | When I run my python program in emacs all is fine, when I want to run from the terminal I have to run as sudo because it throws and error due to using SSL, but the problem with that is that my program then doesn't pick up a oracle TNS file |
| 09:41.00 | Guthur | I know it sounds like a programming issue, but the only thing that is changing is from the environment perspective |
| 09:41.10 | S0laris | dear gents i need some help. I am looking to persuade further my education in information security, and i am not sure which university in Europe is perhaps a top in this field. Please any help would be appreciated. thank you (please do not consider this as spam. thanks again) |
| 09:43.08 | ompaul | Guthur: and the command line does not know where this tns file is - so perhaps stating that verbosely might help |
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| 09:47.51 | Glutsch | lo |
| 09:48.41 | mastroWork | where do I found docs for debian init script functions? (like log_daemon_msg) |
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| 09:50.22 | ompaul | mastroWork: maybe here http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 09:51.18 | Guthur | ompaul: sorry the phone rang just as posted that message |
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| 09:52.10 | Guthur | the program should be picking up the file via the env var, not sure of a way to actually specify the location explicitly in the software |
| 09:52.10 | babilen | mastroWork: /etc/init.d/README (+referenced documents) and /etc/init.d/skeleton are worth a look too. |
| 09:52.54 | mastroWork | ompaul, babilen thanks |
| 09:52.55 | ompaul | Guthur: perhaps consider setting a cwd (current working directory) |
| 09:53.19 | dokma | how do I setup apache so that each virtual host can only mess it's own files? |
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| 09:54.47 | ompaul | dokma: what question lacks a lot of information. who owns the virtual hosts how do they get created and so on |
| 09:55.11 | ompaul | dokma: perhaps tell us a lot more about your setup |
| 09:55.40 | dokma | it's default debian setup |
| 09:55.43 | somiaj | dokma: #apache might have better info on that. But what do you mean can only mess it's own files, you should be able to set up a DocumentRoot |
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| 09:56.17 | dokma | the thing is that one of the websites has been compromised and some porn has been uploaded to all sites on the machine |
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| 09:56.19 | ompaul | dokma: once again you fail to explain what you want to do, who and how they do it |
| 09:56.54 | ompaul | dokma: that is more like all the web sites have been compromised |
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| 09:57.09 | dokma | so I'm thinking if each virtual host was somehow confined so that apache could not edit anothers files I would increase security |
| 09:57.17 | dokma | yes now all have been compr |
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| 09:57.48 | ompaul | dokma: and are you running any additional tools with that - mysql php wordpress or something |
| 09:58.03 | dokma | full lamp machine |
| 09:58.10 | dokma | has an email server as well |
| 09:58.22 | somiaj | dokma: the application is run as a single user so if the webserver is comperimised it can put files anywhere it has write access to. |
| 09:58.24 | dokma | I have a bunch of TYPO3 sites on it and a few hand coded |
| 09:58.36 | dokma | I understand that |
| 09:58.39 | dokma | and I would like to change it |
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| 09:58.48 | dokma | does any other way of setting up apache exist? |
| 09:59.03 | dokma | so that it can write only it's own stuff under let's say /var/www/something |
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| 09:59.40 | somiaj | dokma: you can only have one process attached to a paticular port. You might be able to put each domain in its own chroot, but not sure how easy it would to do this for virtualhosts, again I'd ask in #apache |
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| 10:00.09 | dokma | yeah... I'll have to do that |
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| 10:00.30 | tehrabbitt | whats a good filesystem to use for an external drive? |
| 10:00.43 | tehrabbitt | i was thinking of using JFS but I noticed an unclean disconnect wiped out the superblock |
| 10:00.53 | ompaul | dokma: it would be better, however I point out to you before you approach #apache that you check that you have your lamp and typo3 up to date or all bets are off |
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| 10:01.07 | tehrabbitt | ext4 any better? or would I be better with something like reiser? |
| 10:01.11 | dokma | I keep debian on stable |
| 10:01.18 | dokma | it's up to dat |
| 10:01.20 | dokma | date |
| 10:01.30 | ompaul | dokma: and you keep typo3 up to date |
| 10:01.42 | dokma | not all sites |
| 10:01.48 | dokma | it's too much work |
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| 10:02.17 | ompaul | so you open the back door and expect the world to solve your problems, good luck with that |
| 10:02.41 | dokma | I don't expect anyone to solve my problems |
| 10:02.45 | dokma | don't put words in my mouth |
| 10:02.58 | dokma | all I want to do is keep my server safer |
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| 10:03.05 | dokma | as much as realistically possible |
| 10:03.13 | dokma | don't try to sound smart or condescending |
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| 10:03.32 | ompaul | http://typo3.org/teams/security/security-bulletins/ |
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| 10:03.56 | dokma | I read them and know them |
| 10:04.01 | dokma | I also patch many of them |
| 10:04.12 | dokma | it's not about that it's about the amount of available time |
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| 10:11.44 | thewanderer1 | dokma: you can get a MAC system for the server and run each vhost as a separate user (apache2-mpm-itk) |
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| 10:12.11 | dokma | MAC? |
| 10:12.15 | dokma | why MAC? |
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| 10:12.54 | dokma | I remember experimenting with itk a few years back |
| 10:13.02 | dokma | but it was still pretty unstable back then |
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| 10:25.38 | ectospasm | it seems that apt-pinning packages is only useful for the simplest of packages. It looks like it would be less painful to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy than to install vlc (and all its dependencies) from the wheezy tree |
| 10:27.13 | nkuttler | !tell ectospasm about backports |
| 10:27.13 | streuner | dpkg, bobbitt |
| 10:27.51 | streuner | dpkg, bobbitt |
| 10:27.52 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 10:29.12 | ectospasm | nkuttler: vlc isn't in backports, but thanks for pointing it out to me... again! |
| 10:29.52 | streuner | <backports> surely mention ssb ... |
| 10:29.54 | nkuttler | ectospasm: when a factoid contains <foo> you should ask the bot |
| 10:30.13 | nevyn | so that's not nearly as cool now woody is oldstable |
| 10:30.52 | ectospasm | nkuttler: why tell me stuff I already know? Stop insulting my intelligence. |
| 10:31.00 | nkuttler | haha |
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| 10:31.24 | nkuttler | ectospasm: why don't you do the stuff you already know about? |
| 10:31.34 | somiaj | ectospasm: going to get a similar response. If you don't want to backport it yourself then you should upgrade your whole install to testing or unstable. |
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| 10:32.02 | ectospasm | somiaj: yes, I'm saying backporting it myself is too much hassle, upgrading to testing seems less painful |
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| 10:32.36 | somiaj | ectospasm: then upgrade, but testing is slow on security updates, there may be unforseen bugs and the likes. The suggestion is only do this if you know what your doing. |
| 10:32.37 | mac- | I don't know why |
| 10:32.38 | mac- | :P |
| 10:33.04 | ectospasm | somiaj, nkuttler: backporting it myself would be an option if vlc didn't have so many ornery dependencies. |
| 10:33.11 | somiaj | mac-: its probably the ffmeg type dependencies that he wants a newer version of for the features he is looking for. |
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| 10:33.35 | streuner | judd, versions vlc |
| 10:33.38 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze5; sid: 1.1.9-1+b1; wheezy: 1.1.9-1+b1 |
| 10:33.38 | somiaj | ectospasm: yes you ahd this same discussion before. Nothing has changed, you have to pick one or the other and go though with it. |
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| 10:34.08 | Dewi | somiaj: squeeze version is quite new, are you sure what you need exists in the latest? |
| 10:34.15 | Dewi | oops |
| 10:34.21 | Dewi | ectospasm: squeeze version is quite new, are you sure what you need exists in the latest? |
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| 10:34.40 | ectospasm | Dewi: I would like to test with upstream latest stable before I file a bug |
| 10:35.09 | Dewi | ectospasm: I'd do that in a virtualbox VM |
| 10:35.10 | ectospasm | Dewi: 1.1.3..1.1.9 has at least a few codec modifications/additions |
| 10:35.19 | somiaj | ectospasm: what the version in squeeze 1.1.3-1squeeze5 is the latest stable and dosen't need to be backported. |
| 10:35.38 | ectospasm | somiaj: no, I mean upstream latest stable, which is 1.1.9 |
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| 10:36.39 | somiaj | ectospasm: well as said you have two options. backport it/compile it yourself against stable libs or upgrade your whole system -- if you just want to do a bug test, install an usntable chroot |
| 10:37.18 | somiaj | ectospasm: use debootstrap, and you could easily have a testing/unstable version of debian you can play with |
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| 10:41.18 | ectospasm | dammit, I keep forgetting this isn't a discussion channel. I wasn't seeking support above, but I'll take the suggestions into consideration. |
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| 10:48.11 | mikjaer | Does anybody know why snoopy has been taken out of the repository? |
| 10:48.54 | somiaj | mikjaer: that is usually described in the bug reports |
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| 10:51.33 | mikjaer | somiaj: then i don't know where to look cause i can't find any information about it, im at packages.debian.org/snoopy which redirects me to a search for the word snoopy which only tells me that it was in oldstable and currently are in unstable and neither tells me why the stable release was taken out |
| 10:51.34 | thewanderer1 | how to set a user's password in shadow if they are not in /etc/passwd? (external user db) |
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| 10:51.52 | somiaj | mikjaer: bugs.debian.org/snoopy |
| 10:52.08 | thewanderer1 | also, will authentication check passwd as well, or only shadow? |
| 10:52.49 | mikjaer | somisj: Nothing there either |
| 10:53.40 | somiaj | mikjaer: yea, that is where you can sometimes find why.....seems its just now called liphp-snoopy? |
| 10:53.58 | mikjaer | nope, thats not the same thing |
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| 10:55.13 | mikjaer | Snoopy is an execve logger who logs all "commands" executed on the system, to the syslogger |
| 10:55.26 | nevyn | neat. |
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| 10:55.56 | somiaj | mikjaer: you could try to download the deb from sid and see if there is anything in the changelog, though sicne its the same version as old-stable that may not have the info |
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| 10:58.53 | somiaj | mikjaer: the depds on the one in oldstable don't seem that bad you could probabaly just use that package for the time. I don't see any way to see why it was removed |
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| 11:01.22 | mikjaer | somisj: The last entry there are from 2000 ... perhaps theres no maintainer for that package |
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| 11:01.41 | aidan | How can I downgrade a package (I'm running squeeze php5.3 and I want lenny's php 5.2) |
| 11:01.42 | mikjaer | somish: if theres no maintainer the packages would automaticly not make it to the next version right? |
| 11:01.47 | somiaj | mikjaer: if you look at the changelog in the package, I have 1.3-15 dated 19 Oct 2008 |
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| 11:02.31 | mikjaer | simisj: oh i did'nt se the debian changelog |
| 11:02.33 | somiaj | aidan: you can manually install pacakges with dpkg -i -- though with php you may have to do taht with a group of packages -- also that is a bad idea for security reasons. |
| 11:02.38 | babilen | mikjaer: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/snoopy.html |
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| 11:04.47 | somiaj | mikjaer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=587515 thanks to babilen there is the bug report, I thought there should be one. |
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| 11:06.13 | mikjaer | somisj: looks promising ... i tried installing it manually and ended up with the same conclusion, i'll have a look at "auditd" |
| 11:07.10 | mikjaer | Thanks by the way :) |
| 11:07.36 | somiaj | mikjaer: yea I was kinda disapointed it was so hard to find that bug report, but I'm just an amature |
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| 11:09.03 | mikjaer | somiaj: It's actually pretty embarasing for me ... i have been using Debian for 8 years .. and i still can't navigate through the jungles of debian-information :) |
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| 11:34.10 | Abddu | How do I set a greeting message for every user that logged into console? |
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| 11:35.01 | Abddu | It's easier to google a sophisticated solution to a problem occuring to 1 user in a million than a simple answer for such a question. :D |
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| 11:37.56 | timo | Abddu: /etc/motd? |
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| 11:39.01 | timo | Abddu: actually, /etc/motd.tail is the correct file to edit |
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| 11:40.08 | tehrabbitt | hey, i'm having this exact problem, but i'm not sure how to fix it: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1472957 |
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| 11:41.13 | tehrabbitt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:42.10 | tehrabbitt | any ideas? |
| 11:42.16 | tehrabbitt | i'm running wheezy btw |
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| 11:43.55 | somiaj | tehrabbitt: check the topic for the server with #debian-next -- I would first check the bts (bugs.deian.org/pkg_name) and see if someone has seen this bug and found a fix |
| 11:44.42 | tehrabbitt | alright |
| 11:44.58 | somiaj | tehrabbitt: also is this happening in an upgrade? You might be able to manually chase down all the conflicting debs and install them with apt/dpkg |
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| 11:45.31 | tehrabbitt | somiaj, not an upgrade, trying to run the android AVR for the first time |
| 11:45.53 | somiaj | tehrabbitt: so you have this problem when trying to install a lib? |
| 11:45.58 | tehrabbitt | apparently it's because it's looking for 32 bit libs and it's x64 bit |
| 11:46.01 | tehrabbitt | correct |
| 11:46.06 | tehrabbitt | it's a 32 bit binary |
| 11:46.10 | tehrabbitt | looking for 32 bit libs |
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| 11:46.18 | tehrabbitt | system is x64 |
| 11:46.27 | tehrabbitt | apparently it *should* work |
| 11:46.34 | tehrabbitt | but something with versions dont' match |
| 11:46.40 | somiaj | tehrabbitt: correct, have you insatlled the 32 bit libs? |
| 11:46.46 | tehrabbitt | dont know how |
| 11:47.02 | somiaj | tehrabbitt: its called lib32stdc++6 |
| 11:47.56 | tehrabbitt | hm that seemed to work |
| 11:48.00 | tehrabbitt | now i just get this error SDL init failure, reason is: No available video device |
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| 11:48.57 | tehrabbitt | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=218663 |
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| 11:49.36 | somiaj | tehrabbitt: posting errors from fedora forms here is most likely bad form......not sure what video device the AVR is looking for, I'd see if there is a room here to talk about that |
| 11:50.23 | tehrabbitt | somiaj, sorry, to further clarify, I can't find anything debian related, the only hits that come up on google that have to do with the exact issue i'm having are on fedora pages, which don't help me much since the packages aren't the same |
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| 11:51.43 | ehbello | hi guys... is there somebody responsible of debian-mentors webpage? The password recovery process fails trying to mail the account details... |
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| 11:53.12 | somiaj | tehrabbitt: that forum seems fairly straight forward, says use 'strace ./emulate' to figure out which libs are missing, and then install the required 32 bit lib. If there isn't a lib32<foo> of the lib its missing you may have to extract the 32bit libs manually and put them in place. |
| 11:53.41 | Abddu | timo: Editing /etc/motd.tail didn't do the job, I think it's actually /etc/motd |
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| 11:55.28 | timo | Abddu: /etc/motd is a symlink to /var/run/motd and it's overwritten on every boot by stuff from /etc/motd.tail |
| 11:55.45 | timo | Abddu: by /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 11:55.51 | somiaj | Abddu: read 'man motd' -- it will tell you abt the debian convention |
| 11:56.45 | Abddu | timo: somiaj: I get it, thank you gents. |
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| 11:58.24 | timo | Abddu: if you want to make the change effective before next reboot, you can also append your message to /etc/motd. but motd.tail to make it stick across reboots |
| 11:58.28 | Night_Elf | Hello all. Can anyone clarify something about apt-offline for me? I'm using two systems, 'standalone' and 'connected'. I want to install stuff at 'standalone' by using the internet at 'connected'. Standalone is Debian 6.0 as a test virtual machine, 'connected' is Debian 5.0. |
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| 12:00.47 | Night_Elf | I am trying to install nmap at 'standalone', but it is not existent, as far as 'standalone' is concerned. |
| 12:01.36 | Abddu | timo: By any chance, is there a simple way to set a message only for remote users (ssh)? |
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| 12:02.13 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 12:03.01 | stew | Abddu: /etc/issue.net? |
| 12:03.40 | jazzanova | I made a site to donate to debian: http://www.online-tipjar.com |
| 12:04.51 | adb | !donate |
| 12:04.51 | dpkg | If you like Debian are able to donate hardware, services or money, please do so. See http://www.debian.org/donations and http://www.spi-inc.org/donations. |
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| 12:06.08 | Hydroxide | yes, please donate to Debian via one of the URLs which dpkg just gave, not via any external site. Those are directly run or trusted by the project itself. |
| 12:06.26 | daedaluz | hmm... he's avertising that site at #ubuntu as well |
| 12:06.46 | Hydroxide | it's probably spam, indeed. |
| 12:07.05 | Hydroxide | or if it's not spam, it's definitely less reliable than the URLs from dpkg |
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| 12:10.06 | Abddu | stew: Man says it's used for telnetd, and indeed it's not being displayed upon ssh login. |
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| 12:17.58 | Recku | hello :) |
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| 12:21.33 | kW_ | Hello! How can I make "apt-get" show which different package versions are available for a certain package name, such as "strace"? |
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| 12:23.01 | wols_ | kW_: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 12:24.11 | kW_ | wols_: it looks like apt-get (and apt-cache) seems to (partially) ignore my /etc/apt/preferences settings |
| 12:24.56 | dirtycookie | hello guys, i need some help with apt-mirror. i configured everything i need for it and want to start it and i always get this message |
| 12:24.57 | dirtycookie | apt-mirror is already running, exiting at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 187. |
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| 12:30.13 | dirtycookie | ah ok |
| 12:30.18 | dirtycookie | 4get that question |
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| 12:37.05 | Abddu | is desperately looking for: Debian fstab comprehensive guide for total dummies |
| 12:38.15 | wols_ | Abddu: fstab is the same for all linux versions. nothing debian specific there. maybe start with a book like running linux by matt welsh |
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| 12:42.25 | Abddu | wols_: I rgather meant an online resource, that would explain every single option for fstab in an undesrstandable fashion. I've been struggling with ridiculously slow perfomance of USB sticks, trying to pin point the source of it by mounting it in every possible combination |
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| 12:43.31 | wols_ | online-tipjar.com |
| 12:43.39 | wols_ | sorry. mispaste |
| 12:43.43 | Abddu | :D |
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| 12:51.52 | Night_Elf | Has anyone used apt-offline? Or any other method for installing software downloaded from the internet (official repos actually) to a machine that has been installed offline and is intended to be used offline? |
| 12:52.56 | wols_ | !tell Night_Elf about ask |
| 12:53.21 | Night_Elf | Hello all. Can anyone clarify something about apt-offline for me? I'm using two systems, 'standalone' and 'connected'. I want to install stuff at 'standalone' by using the internet at 'connected'. Standalone is Debian 6.0 as a test virtual machine, 'connected' is Debian 5.0. (reposted) |
| 12:53.54 | wols_ | !tell Night_Elf about smart questions |
| 12:53.57 | Night_Elf | I do follow the steps that apt-offline says, but it doesn't seem like the information is integrated in the 'standalone'. |
| 12:55.03 | thewanderer1 | if I do `crontab -e` as my user, it's enough, right? no restarting? |
| 12:55.20 | wols_ | Night_Elf: I dunno what you are doing with your debian, but you certainly don't read what dpkg told you |
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| 13:01.05 | salvatore | ciao |
| 13:01.13 | salvatore | !list |
| 13:01.13 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 13:01.22 | salvatore | ke gentilezza |
| 13:01.32 | wols_ | !it |
| 13:01.32 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:01.37 | salvatore | la zappa dattela sui piedi cafone |
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| 13:02.21 | gynter | Any clues why I cant shutdown, reboot, suspend, hibernate and mount/unmount devices on debian testing with Xfce? |
| 13:03.02 | wols_ | gynter: are you in group powerdev? |
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| 13:03.36 | gynter | Thats odd, there is no such group |
| 13:04.49 | abdelkhalak | how to run a shell script in a terminal; I'm using fluxbox on an old P2 Pc. I appreciate your help |
| 13:05.10 | wols_ | abdelkhalak: sh <script> |
| 13:05.20 | gynter | wols_: any clues why powerdev group hasn't been created? |
| 13:05.21 | somiaj | adb: run it from where? |
| 13:05.28 | somiaj | abdelkhalak: ^^ |
| 13:05.47 | wols_ | gynter: you should find that out yourself. it's testing after all. you get what you install |
| 13:05.50 | gynter | Everything is ok with latest stable and xfce |
| 13:05.58 | gynter | hmm, okay |
| 13:06.13 | dirtycookie | um guys i have a question about apt-mirror. i used the standard configuration that comes from the deb-packages. and i only want to mirror the i386-stable |
| 13:06.23 | dirtycookie | how can i make sure of it? |
| 13:06.30 | abdelkhalak | wols_ i see! thaks, but i want to use execute in pcmanfm |
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| 13:06.50 | wols_ | !tell abdelkhalak about permissions |
| 13:06.55 | Justin | dirtycookie: you'd be better off with something like approx |
| 13:07.16 | MeglaW | just downloaded debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso, burned and put into my g4... but nothing seems to happen... |
| 13:07.27 | dirtycookie | Justin: what do u mean? |
| 13:07.28 | DimmuR | I have problem with printing into debian with proftpd (default config file) server from brother printer. I run proftpd -nd6 and all i get is: http://wklej.to/PsB57 I can however connect to ftp via user i've put in settings and send files. I can also login from this user into ssh box. Is there any other way i can find out what's wrong? |
| 13:07.44 | dirtycookie | Justin: what is approx? |
| 13:07.47 | Justin | I have the most common packages from a few versions of ubuntu and debian cached and the approx cache dir is 5.8G |
| 13:07.48 | abdelkhalak | wols_ i cant do anything from the file properties menu |
| 13:08.30 | abdelkhalak | wols_ i mean there is no option to check for making it run in a terminal |
| 13:08.37 | dirtycookie | Justin: ah ok |
| 13:08.54 | wols_ | abdelkhalak: then maybe you need to change them differently? |
| 13:09.13 | wols_ | and file a wishlist bug against pcmanfm or something |
| 13:09.27 | dirtycookie | Justin: i understood, but i need a local mirror |
| 13:09.35 | abdelkhalak | wols_ yes, is there an opetion to make my script run from within a terminal when i click on it |
| 13:09.42 | somiaj | abdelkhalak: can you set the command to run all .sh scripts for isntance? |
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| 13:10.09 | dirtycookie | Justin: cause where ill be setting up the server infrastructure has weak dsl connection |
| 13:10.18 | somiaj | abdelkhalak: set the command for the file as "xterm -e <cmd> <arguments>" |
| 13:10.24 | wols_ | dirtycookie: haven't you read the package description for approx? |
| 13:10.29 | somiaj | abdelkhalak: or what ever term you want. |
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| 13:10.35 | abdelkhalak | somiaj: i want to run it in a terminal just bu clicking on it |
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| 13:11.41 | somiaj | abdelkhalak: I know that. I was saying you should be able to configure your file manager to run a paticular command on files -- the command you want to run is like I gave you, you run the terminal and send it an option to say what command to run in it |
| 13:11.49 | dirtycookie | wols_: getting to it |
| 13:11.51 | somiaj | abdelkhalak: if your file manager doesn't give you this ability, get a better one |
| 13:12.39 | abdelkhalak | somiaj i'm on a pc with very low resources, 256 ram hd 3GB and PII |
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| 13:13.00 | somiaj | abdelkhalak: that doesn't change anything I told you. |
| 13:13.25 | abdelkhalak | somiaj which do you suggest |
| 13:14.19 | somiaj | abdelkhalak: I don't use filemanagers, I'd use a terminal |
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| 13:15.40 | somiaj | abdelkhalak: my guess is you can configure it to launch the terminal and tell it to run the script int hat terminal. You may just ahve to put a .sh at the end of all shell scripts you want to do this too..though smarter filemanagers (Which you may have) can do this with mime types |
| 13:15.45 | MrFrood | points out to somiaj that TUI based file managers are available :P |
| 13:16.18 | somiaj | MrFrood: yea I tried mc, basic shell commands are enoughf or me though. :D |
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| 13:20.10 | gynter | Hmm, it seems that since testing doesn't ship with hal then powerdev group isn't created |
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| 13:23.27 | somiaj | gynter: install hal, its in testing might not just be default. |
| 13:24.11 | somiaj | gynter: you will have to install some tool or use sudo to get a normal user to be able shutdown/restart the machine, mgiht want to double check what xfce uses to do that. |
| 13:25.28 | gynter | yes, but theres no /usr/sbin/xfsm-shutdown-helper anymore |
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| 13:26.28 | gynter | the odd thing is, that http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/xfce4-session says it should be threre, but it isn't |
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| 13:27.04 | somiaj | gynter: might have been rmoved in the versions between stable and testing, I saw that too...check the changelog in /usr/share/doc/xfce4-session |
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| 13:28.34 | gynter | hmm, indeed, it's moved to /usr/lib/xfce4/session/xfsm-shutdown-helper |
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| 13:31.40 | gynter | Still not success using the sudo method. |
| 13:32.41 | somiaj | gynter: do you ahve sudo setup to not use a password for the paticular command(s) you need |
| 13:32.55 | somiaj | gynter: or use something like gtksu if you need it to prompt for a password |
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| 13:33.23 | gynter | %wheel ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/lib/xfce4/session/xfsm-shutdown-helper |
| 13:33.32 | gynter | And yes, i'm in wheel group |
| 13:34.13 | dirtycookie | wols_: thanks for the tip, but one last question about approx, does it also cache ubuntu packages on default? |
| 13:34.48 | somiaj | gynter: you've tested the the shutdown-helper works just fine if ran as root? |
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| 13:35.29 | gynter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:36.19 | somiaj | gynter: hmm, you may get better help in #xfce as they may know the details of that shutdown script |
| 13:36.30 | somiaj | gynter: or you could poke though it. |
| 13:37.06 | gynter | the bad thing is that I can't use stable, since it didn't recognize my network on installation (thinkpad X220i) |
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| 13:37.15 | gynter | otherwise I would use stable |
| 13:38.36 | somiaj | gynter: use stable then. Just install the base system and use a thumbdrive to get the required packages for your network card then start installing other stuff from the net |
| 13:38.55 | MrFrood | gynter: #debian-next on the oftc server is dedicated to testing/unstable support - this issue has been discussed before overe there |
| 13:38.57 | somiaj | gynter: just beucse it doesn't reconze it at install, you can probabaly get it to work |
| 13:39.22 | somiaj | MrFrood: sucks that chan is on another network...oh well I never left freenode after debian offically moved |
| 13:39.42 | wols_ | dirtycookie: I didn't you give that "tip". and the one who did says it can cache both yes. which is not surprising since debian and ubuntu use the same infrastructure |
| 13:40.04 | MrFrood | somiaj: oftc is *now* the offical debian :-/ |
| 13:40.08 | gynter | But is it a good idea to try downgrading from wheezy to squeeze? |
| 13:40.13 | wols_ | gynter: use a backports kernel and it will recognize it |
| 13:40.15 | somiaj | MrFrood: yea I rember when they switched |
| 13:40.21 | wols_ | gynter: you cannot downgrade |
| 13:40.35 | wols_ | !tell gynter about backports |
| 13:40.58 | dirtycookie | wols_: couldn't know that but maybe there would be some details |
| 13:41.11 | somiaj | gynter: no just reinstall, you just may have to use a thumbdrive to get the backported kernel/moduels you need for your entwork card. If all it is is a kernel issue that is easy to put a backport |
| 13:41.40 | gynter | I need to use memstick for everything since this model does not have cd/dvd rom |
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| 13:45.45 | wols_ | gynter: the firmware for you intel 6000 needs to be downloaded from testing too |
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| 13:56.04 | noo | hello I bough myself a sennheiser headset and now I have the problem that my computer freezes completely each time I plug the usb-headset into my computer, which makes debugging kind of hard. Does anybody know what to do? |
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| 14:02.24 | somiaj | noo: I belive /var/log/dmesg.0 was the dmesg log from the privious boot, maybe an error msg got looged |
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| 14:03.32 | somiaj | noo: though looks here to be fairly incomplete |
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| 14:04.35 | somiaj | noo: kern.log may also provide some insites |
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| 14:05.00 | noo | somiaj: Hey just heard that it is an internal bug of the alsamixer which is fixed in our next internal release .... |
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| 14:13.08 | mastroDani | is there a way to downgrade from wheezy to squeezy? |
| 14:13.21 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 14:13.21 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 14:25.49 | mastroDani | I get rake aborted no such file to load -- openssl, since I'm using rvm installing libopnssl-ruby do not fix |
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| 14:26.12 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 14:27.14 | johnfg | I'm running lenny mainly, but have squeeze installed too. Just wondered, after reading an article on distrowatch, about libreoffice for lenny. |
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| 14:27.44 | johnfg | I don't see it in any of our repos, but does it install ok from libreoffice? |
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| 14:28.06 | karlpinc_ | johnfg: The easiest thing to do is wait for it to get into backports. |
| 14:28.28 | wols_ | karlpinc_: lenny backports? |
| 14:28.38 | karlpinc_ | wols_: Yes. |
| 14:28.57 | karlpinc_ | !libreoffice |
| 14:28.57 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is currently packaged in <testing>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. |
| 14:29.05 | gnugr | johnfg: to get libreoffice you must add in sources.list testing debs |
| 14:29.05 | wols_ | you seem to be very optimistic |
| 14:29.26 | wols_ | gnugr: don't tell people such things please |
| 14:29.34 | karlpinc_ | wols_: It may take some time, but then again you're not getting much new unless some time passes. |
| 14:29.38 | RichiH | wonders why a base install of squeeze, without desktop, installs foomatic-db |
| 14:30.04 | wols_ | RichiH: a recommends maybe? I think recommends is evil |
| 14:30.31 | RichiH | recommends are perfectly fine. that aptitude installs them without asking, not so much |
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| 14:30.43 | karlpinc_ | RichiH: Did you install printer support? |
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| 14:30.51 | johnfg | karl, ok, i thought from what the article said that work on it for debian was close to being done. |
| 14:30.59 | RichiH | karlpinc_: no. laptop & base files |
| 14:31.01 | RichiH | that's it |
| 14:31.05 | johnfg | Thanks others for your comments too! |
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| 14:32.30 | wols_ | hasn't this guy been spamming days before? |
| 14:32.43 | karlpinc_ | RichiH: Well you can always "aptitude why foomatic-db" and chase it down. |
| 14:33.02 | twobitsprite | is there a way in gnome/compiz to make all windows from a certain program always visible on all workspaces? |
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| 14:33.14 | twobitsprite | I.e., all pidgin conversations |
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| 14:33.52 | mohamed-ragab | i want to know size of all file in my home |
| 14:33.56 | mohamed-ragab | how to |
| 14:34.07 | twobitsprite | mohamed-ragab: du -h $HOME |
| 14:34.08 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: Dunno. A lot of wms have a "sticky" option, but you usually need to do that once the window is open. |
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| 14:34.29 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: yeah, and that's what I do, but I was just hoping for a better solution |
| 14:34.39 | RichiH | karlpinc_: i am planning that for after the installation, yes |
| 14:34.53 | RichiH | _knew_ he should have used a netinstall image |
| 14:34.59 | twobitsprite | maybe I'll try in #gnome |
| 14:35.02 | karlpinc_ | mohamed-ragab: du -sh $HOME |
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| 14:35.11 | RichiH | (i am installing on a system with a whopping 20 GB disk) |
| 14:35.35 | karlpinc_ | RichiH: You should still have plenty of room. |
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| 14:36.17 | RichiH | karlpinc_: i know. still, it genereally annoys me when tons of crap get installed and in this case, i actually need to save space |
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| 14:36.48 | karlpinc_ | mohamed-ragab: (Or, possibly "ls -lh $HOME" depending on what your question really is.) |
| 14:37.45 | RichiH | karlpinc_: my SD cards are 32 GB each so i am somewhat unhappy as it is ;) |
| 14:37.50 | mohamed-ragab | it is view size all file and folder , but i want to view subfolder , |
| 14:38.23 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: du -sh $HOME |
| 14:38.33 | karlpinc_ | mohamed-ragab: Either "ls -lhR $HOME" or "du -sh $HOME/*". |
| 14:38.38 | gynter | mohamed-ragab: du -h --max-depth=1 |
| 14:38.54 | gynter | du -sh shows the summary |
| 14:39.17 | Justin | mohamed-ragab: du -acx ~ | sort -n is probably what you want |
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| 14:39.48 | Justin | or du -acxh ~ | sort -h on squeeze |
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| 14:41.37 | mohamed-ragab | thanks du -sh $HOME is very good |
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| 14:42.26 | gynter | I can use netinstall to install basesystem when I don't have network, right? |
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| 14:43.59 | dvs | gynter: right |
| 14:44.08 | karlpinc_ | gynter: Sounds right to me. (Although the netinstall also likes to get any security updates that have come out I think that's not a requirement.) |
| 14:44.10 | gynter | and after that install backported kernel which supports my network cand |
| 14:44.16 | gynter | card* |
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| 14:44.49 | somiaj | gynter: correct, you will just to copy the deb(s) over |
| 14:45.01 | Justin | gynter: you probably want the business card image.. the one that is 150M or so |
| 14:45.03 | wols_ | gynter: yes. but for wlan access you need the new backports kernel, intel 6000 firmware and wpasupplicant |
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| 14:45.12 | gynter | yes, i intend to keep my home directory untouched, but made backup just in case :) |
| 14:45.26 | wols_ | Justin: why would he want the businesscard image without network access at install |
| 14:45.39 | gynter | wols_: I downloaded linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64_2.6.38-3~bpo60+1_amd64 |
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| 14:45.58 | wols_ | gynter: that's only the kernel of course |
| 14:46.07 | gynter | yes |
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| 14:47.15 | gynter | base is linux-base_3.2~bpo60+1_all.deb |
| 14:47.42 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:51.26 | Justin | wols_: business card image has the base system on it |
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| 14:53.22 | stew | Justin: what do you mean by base system? |
| 14:53.51 | wols_ | Justin: "The "business card" image is smaller than the "netinst" image to fit on business-card sized cds. It does not contain the base system, but only the installer: even the base packages need to be downloaded from the net. " |
| 14:54.00 | Gump | #debian, I am still having problems with flashplugin-nonfree and gnash. both of them play at about 1 frame/30 seconds, and make the browser they are playing in unresponsive, all without any significant spike in cpu use. what's going on? |
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| 14:59.45 | Justin | wols_: oh, hmm. didn't it used to be the other way around? |
| 15:00.01 | stew | no |
| 15:00.07 | Justin | shrugs |
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| 15:01.17 | Justin | it's kind of named wrong then isn't it? :) |
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| 15:01.34 | Justin | the business card images are the true 'netinstall' images, while the netinstall images can install the base system without the network |
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| 15:16.47 | abrotman | Justin: but the netinst can't fit on a business-card sized CD can it? |
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| 15:18.17 | wols_ | hands abrotman a business-card sized BD |
| 15:18.21 | wols_ | sony needs the money! |
| 15:18.31 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:22.30 | somiaj | gone are the days where the netinstall would fit on a few floppies if you had the right network driver |
| 15:24.29 | khaije|minder | i'm using a passphrase to symmetrically encrypt a sensitive file that may be exposed to the internet... how strong should i make the password? |
| 15:25.24 | wols_ | khaije|minder: what encryption strength? |
| 15:25.49 | homie | khaije|minder: how often do you allow authentication ? |
| 15:26.04 | dutchfish | khaije|minder, depends on how long you want to be it protected, any encryption (if enough cpu cycle times) can be hacked, its just a mather of time only. |
| 15:26.13 | homie | khaije|minder: 3 times passwd is what banned, delayed connection ? |
| 15:26.29 | homie | s/passwd/false paswd/ |
| 15:27.19 | somiaj | homie: that shouldn't be an issue if he just exposes an encrypted file to the internet. If someone gets a hold of it they can crack it (given enough time) |
| 15:27.36 | dutchfish | somiaj, true |
| 15:27.40 | homie | yes |
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| 15:28.58 | khaije|minder | the passphrase can be arbitrarily long as far as i'm concerned, i'm just trying to get a sense of scale (in bit-strength terms) of the method in comparison to asymmetric, for exampp |
| 15:29.26 | khaije|minder | i'd like it to be forward secure |
| 15:29.51 | RichiH | other than kdm, gdm and xdm, there are no other desktop managers, correct? |
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| 15:30.07 | homie | there are many |
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| 15:30.08 | gynter | slim |
| 15:30.12 | dutchfish | khaije|minder, it is more a mather of cpu raw power then anyhting else to bring it on. So think in terms of CPU development and the likelyhood of someone exposing it to that raw power. |
| 15:30.18 | somiaj | RichiH: wdm is what I use to use |
| 15:30.24 | homie | afterstep, fvwm, .... |
| 15:30.28 | stew | RichiH: aptitude search '~Px-display-manager' |
| 15:30.30 | homie | windowmaker |
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| 15:30.44 | somiaj | homie: afterstep, fvwm are NOT display managers (which is what he ment) |
| 15:30.48 | homie | ah sorry |
| 15:30.52 | homie | i got it wrong |
| 15:30.55 | homie | yep |
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| 15:31.04 | wols_ | dutchfish: CPUs have stopped being a thread to encryption long ago |
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| 15:31.18 | homie | there is a wdm or so tho |
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| 15:31.33 | dutchfish | wols_, sure, but think instant-clouds |
| 15:31.58 | wols_ | even those use GPUs to do their work. much more parallelizable. also FPGAs |
| 15:32.09 | dutchfish | wols_, sure |
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| 15:33.56 | khaije|minder | dutchfish: in many case the passphrase i've selected will be longer than the contents it's encrypting. does the strength of the passphrase scale linearly with 'bit-strength' ? |
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| 15:34.49 | RichiH | stew: fancy |
| 15:34.59 | dutchfish | khaije|minder, more like log -e in favor of longer passprases, however that is only true for symetric encodings that are stong enough. |
| 15:35.00 | orudie | how can I make file executable? chmod -X file? |
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| 15:35.17 | wols_ | !tell orudie about permissions |
| 15:35.22 | somiaj | orudie: +x (to add the excutable flag) |
| 15:35.24 | RichiH | any suggestions as to which to use for a small, slow system? |
| 15:35.35 | RichiH | slim sounds reasonable, but i never heard of it |
| 15:35.44 | wols_ | slim, wdm |
| 15:35.57 | somiaj | RichiH: xdm is probabaly as basic as you can get, though I found wdm a bit nicer. Why not just use startx? |
| 15:35.57 | dutchfish | khaije|minder, i strongly advise to built a second line of defence, limiting access to the encrypted file. |
| 15:36.18 | homie | there is a slim ? |
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| 15:36.35 | homie | one i never heard of ok |
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| 15:36.51 | khaije|minder | dutchfish: and is, for example a symmetric password of bit strength ~2k ~= asymetric bit strength ~2k |
| 15:36.55 | dutchfish | khaije|minder, but all depends on how important that data is. If it is, then i wouldnt expose it to the net. |
| 15:37.43 | dutchfish | khaije|minder, there is much more to it, then that alone. |
| 15:38.17 | khaije|minder | dutchfish: re: lines of defense, yes absolutely. I'm just paranoid enough to not even really trust my own vigilance |
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| 15:38.31 | lolufail | hi! |
| 15:38.42 | dutchfish | khaije|minder, but i sugest delving into encryption methods and the 'human' factor in using them. |
| 15:38.44 | Onryo | I got two repos in my Wheeze. Both are main ONLY. Wheezy main and Wheezy main security updates. Works smooths as ice. Wondering why I see under debian_version wheezy/sid. Wheezy is testing NOT unstable (sid) |
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| 15:39.03 | unicstar | khaije|minder: passphrase alone has no meaning, it is important to know which algorithm is used and how that passphrase is used |
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| 15:39.23 | wols_ | khaije|minder: nonsensical question. AES, DES, elliptical curves, RSA are all differently secure at same amount of bits |
| 15:39.43 | khaije|minder | unicstar: wols_: definitely a good point |
| 15:39.59 | RichiH | wols_: are there any actual differences? |
| 15:40.05 | RichiH | that i should care about |
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| 15:40.14 | lolufail | after latest aptitude update/upgrade, my LVM doesn't enable its LVs automatically, I get dropped to initramfs. "lvm vgchange -ay; exit" fixes this :( any idea? I already recreated the initrd with update-initramfs |
| 15:40.20 | khaije|minder | this is for GPG which i think (i read somewhere) uses cast5 by default |
| 15:40.23 | wols_ | Onryo: cause it's impossible for debian to know what you run. are you running testing or are you running sid but haven't made an update in the last 4 weeks. unstable packages wander into testing constantly |
| 15:40.39 | lolufail | on squeeze |
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| 15:41.39 | wols_ | khaije|minder: currently, you want to AES256 with appropriate passphrase (btw, english has 2,3 bits per letter). with that, it's currently very very unlikely it gets broken unless the NSA _really_ wants that data |
| 15:41.41 | Onryo | wols_ you might have a point there. Ill do a dist-update. |
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| 15:41.55 | wols_ | Onryo: that won't change the wheezy/sid thing. it never does |
| 15:42.26 | Onryo | wols_ kk well at least I know that it is testing. Dont have to worry about the sid thing. |
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| 15:44.50 | khaije|minder | cool, thanks wols_, dutchfish, unicstar, I'll read up on these points and make the appropriate changes |
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| 15:47.09 | Onryo | I don't trust NIST further then I can spit. They work for the NSA and DARPA. If they say that Rijndael AES 256 is the "bomb" I am wondering why an agency that claims "we are the code makes and brakes of the USA" would tell ppl what algorithms can't be broken. |
| 15:48.56 | dutchfish | Onryo, please stick to facts. Proove, or it didnt happen. |
| 15:49.12 | Onryo | dutchfish sure Ill send you NISTs list |
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| 15:49.51 | wols_ | dutchfish: remember DES |
| 15:50.04 | dutchfish | wols_, yep |
| 15:50.43 | wols_ | well, for the aes proof, if it exists you'd have to wait a few decads as well then, just like with des |
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| 15:51.24 | dutchfish | as i told before, all security is strength versus time |
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| 15:52.04 | dutchfish | there is no such thing as absolute security. |
| 15:52.27 | dutchfish | (in terms of encryption) |
| 15:52.49 | Justin | dutchfish: one time pads |
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| 15:53.14 | wols_ | obviously, but the time part was way different when des was designed. the nsa knew a lot more about it than the general public |
| 15:53.24 | unicstar | dutchfish: ( strength versus time ) || ( intelligence and brain ) |
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| 15:53.48 | dutchfish | wols_, that prolly holds true even now as we speak. |
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| 15:54.31 | unicstar | sometimes if you go through the standard way it will took centories but if you choose another way you will bypass all the mathematics |
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| 15:55.21 | dutchfish | mumbles about paterns |
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| 15:55.56 | wols_ | munches on parsley |
| 15:56.31 | TimmyT | I make a ad-hoc network on my computer then connect another computer to the ad-hoc network of the first computer through its wireless card. How can I detect the MAC address of wireless card of second computer on first computer? |
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| 15:56.45 | brian_petersen | i am running debian squeeze on a mac mini powerpc, how can i enable/what should i download to enable suspend,sleep,hibernate, etc.' |
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| 15:58.35 | homie | acpi |
| 15:58.36 | homie | acpid |
| 15:58.41 | homie | acpi-support maybe ? |
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| 15:58.49 | homie | well and hibernate is somehting else |
| 15:59.19 | homie | it's called hibernate, the package |
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| 16:00.15 | Justin | brian_petersen: pmud or something? |
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| 16:01.45 | Black_Prince | pm-utils provides hibernate and suspend scripts |
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| 16:03.42 | DennisG | hello - for internetting over my vpn i'm using this on linux: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 172.16.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE. I dont want my traffic to go over eth0, but over eth0:0 (other ip due security) so i tried iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 172.16.0.0/24 -o eth0:0 -j MASQUERADE but that isnt working. Why? |
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| 16:04.45 | DennisG | -i eth0 works perfect and eth0:0 gives timeouts on the client when it try to surf on the internet |
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| 16:06.26 | ironicum | DennisG: just use eth0 and the ip address of eth0:1 |
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| 16:07.14 | DennisG | ironicum, how can i do that? |
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| 16:07.43 | ironicum | -d <ip of other if> |
| 16:07.48 | sickgut | what is the best program to use or command to let me know what the disk usage is? also what is the simplest way to add a script to the startup, this is for a vps that has no X system. I remember editing some rc.d or something |
| 16:07.54 | ironicum | instead of eth0:0 |
| 16:07.54 | DennisG | ah thank you |
| 16:08.01 | wols | sickgut: df? |
| 16:08.14 | wols | sickgut: and what kind of script? |
| 16:08.21 | DennisG | so that will be iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 172.16.0.0/24 -o eth0 -t xx.xxx.xx.xxx -j MASQUERADE (just check before i mess something up..)? |
| 16:08.37 | ironicum | -d |
| 16:08.44 | sickgut | it starts my game servers, openarena and assault cube, its one script that starts them both |
| 16:08.46 | DennisG | eer -d, my bad! :) |
| 16:08.57 | sickgut | the script works ok when i execute it but i want it automatic |
| 16:08.59 | ironicum | looks fine |
| 16:09.05 | sickgut | thanks for the tip on df wols |
| 16:09.08 | DennisG | sometimes my fingers type faster than my brains can think :) thank you! |
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| 16:12.03 | Black_Prince | sickgut, Either add lsb headers to your script and use insserv/update-rc.d or put it into /etc/rc.local |
| 16:12.05 | thewanderer1 | sickgut: openarena.ws should have a section on starting the server... in case they took it down, it was "screen -m -d -S openarena /usr/bin/command blah blah blah" |
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| 16:12.29 | DennisG | ironicum, i tried iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 172.16.0.0/24 -o eth0 -d 178.21.xxx.xxx -j MASQUERADE but it doenst work, while it works without -d <ip> |
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| 16:12.55 | sickgut | thewanderer1: i know how to start openarena im trying to make the start script execute automatically when the server is rebooted |
| 16:13.01 | thewanderer1 | yeah, so rc.local |
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| 16:13.22 | sickgut | the /etc/rc.local sounds familiar thanks black_prince |
| 16:14.28 | ironicum | DennisG: try if it works when omitting -o eth0 |
| 16:14.36 | DennisG | lets see |
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| 16:15.30 | DennisG | ironicum, no succes |
| 16:15.34 | Onryo | dutchfish If you are interested read about the Shor's algorithm "all mainstream public-key algorithms including RSA, Diffie-Hellman and elliptic curve cryptography" are down the toilet same ie SSL SSH etc. Grover's algorithm with trash AES or Twofish and collision resistant hash funchins ie SHA. |
| 16:16.37 | DennisG | ironicum, the destination in iptables -t nat -L shows the hostname (rdns?) of eth0 and not the hostname of eth0:0 |
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| 16:18.33 | ironicum | and with -n? |
| 16:19.44 | DennisG | -n <ip> you mean? omitting -o or do i have to put it back? |
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| 16:19.54 | ironicum | iptables -t nat -n -L |
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| 16:20.06 | ironicum | that should show the ip of the alias interface |
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| 16:20.19 | DennisG | ah ok |
| 16:20.37 | DennisG | hmm yes, it does show that so thats ok! :) |
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| 16:24.29 | DennisG | ironicum, do i need to configure eth0:0 anyhow to accept the connection? |
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| 16:25.54 | ironicum | yes |
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| 16:26.17 | DennisG | how can i do that? I've set ipv4 forwarding on in my sysctl, but honestly i have no idea what to do now.. |
| 16:26.45 | ironicum | is it running? |
| 16:26.49 | DennisG | yes |
| 16:26.57 | ironicum | then it is configured |
| 16:27.09 | DennisG | hmm okay, so that isnt the problem then i guess.. |
| 16:27.20 | ironicum | when ifconfig shows "UP" it should work |
| 16:27.23 | ironicum | if* |
| 16:28.15 | DennisG | yes, its up |
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| 16:28.28 | DennisG | it just seems liike the route doesnt work or so |
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| 16:30.04 | jhutchins_lt | DennisG: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 16:30.57 | DennisG | jhutchins_lt thanks |
| 16:31.18 | jhutchins_lt | DennisG: Hope it helps. |
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| 16:40.01 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:44.57 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 16:45.25 | Nebukadneza | not sure whether this is ontopic here, but i have a route i'd like to delete - it looks like this: 10.8.0.0 10.8.0.2 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 16:45.34 | Nebukadneza | i somehow cannot work the route del <whatever> parameters |
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| 16:52.59 | dutchfish | Nebukadneza, you can use either destination ip or default, like: route del [dest-ip] |
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| 16:54.45 | Nebukadneza | dutchfish: mh, route del -net 10.8.0.0 doesn't work ... |
| 16:54.52 | ironicum | according to route documentation "route del 10.8.8.0/24 gw 10.8.0.2 dev tun0" |
| 16:54.55 | Nebukadneza | which would be the destination, right? |
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| 16:55.13 | Nebukadneza | mh, "route: netmask 000000ff doesn't make sense with host route" ;/ |
| 16:55.31 | ironicum | ans "route del 10.8.8.0 gw 10.8.0.2 dev tun0" ? |
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| 16:55.49 | thewanderer1 | how about you use `ip` not `route` tool? they are different |
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| 16:56.21 | Nebukadneza | ironicum: no such process" |
| 16:56.29 | Nebukadneza | thewanderer1: mh, that's a idea i hadn't thought of yet |
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| 16:56.45 | pfak | Is there a way to set defaults for /etc/networking/interfaces - I'd like to set bridge_maxwait (MAXWAIT) for bridge to 0 by default so I dont need to specify it for every interface. Is this possible? |
| 16:57.15 | thewanderer1 | `ip route del 10.8.8.0/24 via 10.8.0.2 dev tun0` shold work |
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| 16:58.27 | Nebukadneza | ah |
| 16:58.30 | Nebukadneza | ip is useable :) |
| 16:58.33 | Nebukadneza | thanks alot thewanderer1! |
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| 16:59.54 | jean_baptiste | hello fellas |
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| 17:02.06 | jean_baptiste | sorry for asking this question in debian room..in my laptop headphone is not getting recognized, and the audio is played by the laptop internal speakers |
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| 17:03.21 | initself | I had a process running on my box which apparently maxed out 24 GB of RAM, causing the machine to lock up. |
| 17:03.32 | initself | I didn't even know locking up from maxing out RAM was possible. |
| 17:03.38 | initself | There were all kind of errors on the console. |
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| 17:03.44 | initself | Where are these errors saved? |
| 17:03.50 | wols | shouldn't cause the OOM killer will kill any such process |
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| 17:04.03 | wols | check your syslog and your kern.log |
| 17:04.11 | initself | it killed it in the end, but the machine was locked |
| 17:04.37 | stew | jean_baptiste: what does "uname -r" say? what does "lsb_release -c" say? |
| 17:05.12 | wols | initself: do you have 24GB RAM+swap? |
| 17:05.15 | Raptors | update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/bin/g++ for g++ not registered, not setting. |
| 17:05.25 | Raptors | Any ideas? |
| 17:05.30 | initself | wols: can you remind me how i check my configuration? |
| 17:05.33 | wols | !any idea |
| 17:05.33 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and 42 starving hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:05.35 | Raptors | I installed them idk... |
| 17:05.35 | wols | initself: free |
| 17:05.52 | jean_baptiste | stew 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop |
| 17:05.54 | initself | my swap appears to be 5 GB |
| 17:05.57 | stew | Raptors: gcc/g++ are not managed by the alternatives system. you should be able to tell a makefile which g++ to use by setting environment variables |
| 17:06.11 | Raptors | ugh |
| 17:06.14 | initself | wols: is that the problem? |
| 17:06.43 | initself | in syslog and kern.log, i'm not seeing anything that looks like the errors i saw |
| 17:06.50 | stew | jean_baptiste: where did that kernel come from? is this debian? |
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| 17:07.13 | wols | initself: as soon as a process actually is overcommiting the available memory+swap linux' OOM killer should immediately kill it. so something is strange. you sure it actually used 24GB? this is squeeze, right? |
| 17:07.27 | initself | this is probably etch |
| 17:07.38 | jean_baptiste | lsb_release -c says Celadon |
| 17:07.43 | wols | if the system crashed it probably didn't have time to write anything out to disk... |
| 17:07.47 | initself | I am a little slow with Debian, mate. |
| 17:07.59 | initself | wols: How would I give it time? Bigger swap? |
| 17:08.01 | jean_baptiste | stew..i am sorry its SUSE 11.4 |
| 17:08.15 | wols | initself: nothing debian related. OOM killer is a kernel thing |
| 17:08.26 | initself | This was a perl script. |
| 17:08.31 | wols | initself: first I'd make sure the software actually needs 24GB |
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| 17:08.45 | stew | jean_baptiste: you should be asking in #suse, not here |
| 17:08.52 | initself | wols: I saw a week ago that the script was using up 12GB. |
| 17:09.03 | initself | It would get to 12GB and just start running as slow as a mouse. |
| 17:09.10 | wols | what does that script do? |
| 17:09.10 | initself | So I doubled the RAM. |
| 17:09.21 | initself | It runs a pretty damn massive SQL query and processes it. |
| 17:09.21 | wols | well, at 12GB it probably hits swap and then it slows down |
| 17:09.39 | initself | At 12GB, it never took the box down. |
| 17:09.56 | initself | still can't find the log of what he saw on the console yesterday. |
| 17:09.57 | wols | I suggest you rewrite your software |
| 17:10.08 | wols | cause probably there is no log. I told you above |
| 17:10.15 | initself | there it is! |
| 17:10.23 | initself | I'll show it to you. |
| 17:10.29 | Justin | what do you expect the log to tell you? "Oh shit, there's no ram left"? |
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| 17:10.40 | initself | exactly! let me paste it. |
| 17:10.55 | Raptors | stew, thanks for the help I guess.... Is there a way to set the default to 4.5? |
| 17:11.00 | Justin | initself: if some program needs 24G of ram to run, the program is likely broken |
| 17:11.28 | stew | Raptors: export CXX=/usr/bin/g++-4.5 |
| 17:11.30 | wols | Justin: well, it's a perl script! :) |
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| 17:11.49 | Raptors | stew, should I put that in my bashrc? |
| 17:12.01 | Raptors | btw what's the command for GCC? |
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| 17:12.32 | Raptors | CC |
| 17:12.35 | stew | yes |
| 17:12.46 | stew | i'm not sure why you'd need this in .bashrc |
| 17:12.57 | Raptors | To set them all the time? |
| 17:13.03 | Raptors | To have them set* |
| 17:13.12 | Raptors | by default |
| 17:13.13 | initself | here's the log: http://pastebin.com/9RLqsArH |
| 17:13.27 | initself | look at line 240 |
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| 17:14.05 | initself | Looks like it ran of memory more than once, actually. |
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| 17:14.46 | Justin | initself: yes, that would be the 'oh shit, there's no ram left' |
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| 17:15.47 | joe6 | stow has been awesome. exactly what was needed. |
| 17:15.56 | initself | wols++ # pointing me in the right directly |
| 17:16.30 | joe6 | i benefitted a lot from using raid-1, stow and links2. Any other such killer suggestions for a normal user of debian? |
| 17:16.44 | joe6 | i got those suggestions from this irc. |
| 17:16.54 | joe6 | or the #linux. |
| 17:16.59 | joe6 | but, from these. |
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| 17:17.17 | Raptors | update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/bin/www-browser for www-browser not registered, not setting. | It seems to be happening for this as well :/ |
| 17:17.23 | Raptors | is this a bug or something? |
| 17:17.43 | Raptors | *goes to google for the name* |
| 17:18.00 | stew | Raptors: do you have a www-browser installed? which? |
| 17:18.11 | stew | (you might be looking for x-www-browser instead) |
| 17:18.22 | Raptors | Ya, That's what I'm looking for |
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| 17:18.44 | Raptors | stew, its still saying that |
| 17:18.51 | Raptors | update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/bin/x-www-browser for x-www-browser not registered, not setting. |
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| 17:19.27 | stew | Raptors: does "aptitude search '~i~Pwww-browser'" return anything? |
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| 17:20.17 | Raptors | yes I got 9 things |
| 17:20.28 | Raptors | err 8 |
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| 17:21.01 | stew | Raptors: does /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser exist |
| 17:21.17 | Raptors | /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser: ASCII text |
| 17:21.34 | stew | Raptors: what command is giving you that error? |
| 17:21.44 | stew | Raptors: the error about "not registered"? |
| 17:21.45 | Raptors | sudo update-alternatives --set www-browser /usr/bin/www-browser |
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| 17:21.50 | Raptors | err |
| 17:21.59 | Raptors | sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/x-www-browser |
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| 17:22.15 | stew | Raptors: uhh, what are you expecting that would do? |
| 17:22.58 | Raptors | O crap :| what I wanted was set-selection |
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| 17:23.26 | stew | Raptors: do you want "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" ? |
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| 17:23.46 | Raptors | puts on paperbag |
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| 17:24.06 | andrec | hello. Im having problems compiling a program |
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| 17:24.24 | andrec | it says it can't find the header file, but i specified it using -I through gcc |
| 17:24.34 | andrec | (i specified the dir) |
| 17:25.07 | stew | andrec: show us the comamnd you ran, and the error messages, use a pastebin |
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| 17:26.36 | andrec | http://paste.debian.net/118522/ |
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| 17:27.18 | wols | andrec: you missed the "error messages" part |
| 17:27.24 | andrec | hehe i know lol |
| 17:27.24 | Justin | andrec: uhh, are you running windows? |
| 17:27.26 | andrec | sorry for that |
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| 17:27.37 | andrec | i only realized it after i did it |
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| 17:27.42 | andrec | my apologisez |
| 17:27.52 | andrec | im running cygwin :) |
| 17:27.59 | andrec | but its a linux app though |
| 17:28.03 | andrec | :))))) |
| 17:28.05 | andrec | hope you help |
| 17:28.06 | andrec | hehehe |
| 17:28.14 | wols | andrec: no we don't. we only support debian |
| 17:28.23 | andrec | ok ok ill go to a windows channel |
| 17:28.28 | andrec | sorry for the trouble |
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| 17:31.57 | dspace | Does anyone know whether the next Debian release will use Gnome 3 by default, or stick with Gnome 2? |
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| 17:33.27 | wols | dspace: no one does yet. gnome 3 is likely tho |
| 17:33.46 | jhutchins_lt | !gnome3 |
| 17:33.46 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
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| 17:34.18 | dspace | hmmm |
| 17:36.13 | tuxcrafter | hi all somebody using xfce 4.8 under debian testing here with the thunar file manager? |
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| 17:36.40 | MrFrood | dspace: debian ships with multiple de'ss and wms available so there will be plenty of choice for those that do not like gnome3 |
| 17:36.45 | tuxcrafter | my trash is gone and no there are also no drive icons when an usb massive storage device is attached |
| 17:36.51 | tuxcrafter | its kind of broken....??? |
| 17:37.05 | tuxcrafter | Thunar 1.2.1 (Xfce 4.8.0) |
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| 17:37.40 | dspace | MrFrood: I'm just wondering about the future of Gnome 2, whether it's just going to suffer from bitrot or if some distros will maintain / support it |
| 17:38.40 | tuxcrafter | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=thunar;dist=unstable cant see the bugs for the behavior i am having |
| 17:39.19 | MrFrood | dspace: I'm guessing that probally something akin to the Trinity project for kde3 might happen |
| 17:39.52 | MrFrood | but this is getting somewhat off-topic |
| 17:39.55 | dspace | yeah |
| 17:40.07 | tuxcrafter | sudo apt-get install thunar-volman maybe that will help |
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| 17:41.17 | abrotman | dspace: been told that gnome3 has a 'legacy' mode whatever that means |
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| 17:42.38 | Black_Prince | legacy mode for gnome 3 may be fallback mode ... Mutter+Gnome-Panel |
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| 17:46.33 | joe6 | when firefox/iceweasel opens certain websites, it does not show the page, but instaed a line of question-marks such as "���������������" |
| 17:46.56 | joe6 | it happens even when i try to reply to any hotmail email. |
| 17:47.11 | joe6 | has anyone noticed this? what could be causing this? |
| 17:47.35 | dkr | joe6: incorrect character encoding, firefox is usually pretty good about auto detecting it, though |
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| 17:48.13 | dkr | joe6: you could make sure auto-detect is enabled via View...character encoding... |
| 17:48.44 | dkr | or manually change it there |
| 17:48.50 | joe6 | dkr, i think you are spot on. should auto-detect be "Universal". it is "off" for me. |
| 17:49.23 | dkr | hotmail might use windows-1252 instead of utf-8 since it's microsoft. heh |
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| 17:49.39 | joe6 | thanks a lot, changing it manually, I can see the page. |
| 17:50.09 | joe6 | wish firefox could auto-detect it, but, atleast, it is working, so I am not that fussed. |
| 17:50.13 | joe6 | dkr, thanks. |
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| 17:52.21 | dkr | hrm, I think I'm confused about that autodetect option, actually. since my only options are to autodetect a small subset of languages. ah that's probably because some types of encodings can look like different ones |
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| 18:00.15 | fbs | is there a nice wiki page for writing udev rules ? |
| 18:00.18 | thewanderer1 | dkr: don't worry, Firefox's autodetection is the worst I've seen :P |
| 18:00.26 | fbs | i got |
| 18:00.27 | fbs | udev_rules_apply_to_event: LINK 'buspirate' /etc/udev/rules.d/90-buspirate.rules:1 |
| 18:00.30 | fbs | udev_rules_apply_to_event: GROUP 20 /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules:39 |
| 18:00.33 | Nebukadneza | reheyyas |
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| 18:00.50 | fbs | but i dont see why it would use the GROUP from permissions while group is also specified in buspirate |
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| 18:01.12 | netadmin | hello |
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| 18:01.38 | tuxcrafter | where does gvfs saves his trash? |
| 18:02.02 | tuxcrafter | i can use find to well find the files.... |
| 18:02.13 | tuxcrafter | but if somebody can tell me it saves some time |
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| 18:04.47 | Justin | tuxcrafter: if it is a remote filesystem it should be in a hidden directory off the root of the share |
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| 18:06.08 | tuxcrafter | Justin: well i thougt that was the case but no .trash anywhere |
| 18:06.46 | zleslie | Anyone know how to stop dhcp from overwriting my hostname? |
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| 18:09.30 | homie | get dhcdbd |
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| 18:09.48 | homie | dhcpc3 and resolvconf |
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| 18:10.30 | zleslie | looks like dhcpcd is installed |
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| 18:12.25 | ironicum | chattr +i /etc/hostname ? |
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| 18:12.48 | abrotman | that's a horrible method |
| 18:12.49 | anton___ | Which component is responsible for ipv6 router solicitation? when is it triggered? |
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| 18:12.55 | zleslie | it doesn't fix it anyway |
| 18:13.05 | abrotman | zleslie: you have a config file for your dhcp client .. tell it not to request the hostname? |
| 18:13.07 | zleslie | the /etc/hostname isn't being changed |
| 18:13.15 | ironicum | i see |
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| 18:13.36 | zleslie | um, since when does debian ignore the /etc/hostname in favor of the dhcp client |
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| 18:13.55 | zleslie | feels like a bad joke |
| 18:14.25 | joe6 | i keep getting this error whenever i open any x window, any thoughts, please? Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0". |
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| 18:14.56 | tmm2 | is there a way to check if specific package is installed. for example i want to see if 'curl (= 7.18.2-8lenny4)' is satisfied already |
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| 18:15.20 | zleslie | dpkg -l |
| 18:15.20 | dpkg | zleslie: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 18:15.20 | jordanm | tmm2: in a debian control file? |
| 18:15.56 | tmm2 | no in general. via a shell script, say |
| 18:16.27 | jordanm | you can use dpkg -l as mentioned, but if you are resolving depends, you should probably be using a package that does that for you |
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| 18:16.56 | stew | tmm2: aptitude search '~i~n^curl$~V7.18.2-8lenny4' |
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| 18:17.43 | jordanm | stew: looks like that will still return 0, even if it doesn't have a match |
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| 18:17.58 | stew | right |
| 18:18.03 | tmm2 | i can check for output |
| 18:18.13 | medianine | just a survey : what is ya prefered DE/WM ? |
| 18:18.16 | poisonbit | dpkg -l | while read state package version _; do [[ ( $package = curl ) && ( $version = 7.21.0-1 ) ]] && echo installed || exit 1; done |
| 18:18.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching | while read state package version _; do [[ ( $package = curl ) && ( $version = 7.21.0-1 ) ]] && echo installed || exit 1; done |
| 18:18.19 | jordanm | guess you can always do output=$(aptitude search '~i~n^curl$~V7.18.2-8lenny4'); if [[ -n $ouputput ]] |
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| 18:18.48 | tmm2 | dpkg -l will require me to match the version string manually, which i don't want to do for complex dependencies |
| 18:18.48 | dpkg | ii will require me to match the version string manually, which i don't want to do for complex dependencies 3.5-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:18.49 | medianine | (i don't search to troll, just to enlarge my "open" culture |
| 18:18.51 | medianine | ) |
| 18:19.12 | dkr | !tell medianine about popcon |
| 18:19.44 | medianine | popcon ? |
| 18:19.46 | dokma | anyone here had any problems with thumbs being an arrogant idiot quietting people for no reason? |
| 18:19.58 | tmm2 | the aptitude trick should work for now. thanks stew |
| 18:20.02 | dokma | thumbs being on of the ops on some channels? |
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| 18:20.17 | Justin | tmm2: dpkg -l curl|grep -q '^ii.*7.18.2-8lenny4' ? |
| 18:20.35 | joe6 | this is the output from the Xorg.0.log: http://sprunge.us/USGe |
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| 18:21.03 | joe6 | medianine: xmonad. |
| 18:21.14 | tmm2 | jusin: yea but what if the dependency is 'curl (>= 6.0)' |
| 18:21.40 | medianine | xmonad as powerful as openbox ? |
| 18:21.54 | joe6 | never tried openbox |
| 18:22.02 | Justin | tmm2: i'd say you should probably let the existing tools for managing dependencies manage dependencies |
| 18:22.02 | tmm2 | i'm trying to do something similar to dpkg-buildpackage does with Build-Depends. just check if a list of deps is satisfied and yell if not |
| 18:22.05 | medianine | a simple WM |
| 18:22.06 | joe6 | is it that good? |
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| 18:22.19 | medianine | to me, better than fluxbox |
| 18:22.23 | Justin | medianine: openbox is a toy compared to xmonad |
| 18:22.26 | medianine | in the "same style" |
| 18:22.49 | medianine | xmonad is in debian apt ? |
| 18:22.54 | joe6 | yes |
| 18:23.05 | medianine | and is it maintained ? |
| 18:23.14 | joe6 | takes a bit of getting used to, though. |
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| 18:23.35 | MrFrood | +1 openbox |
| 18:23.41 | joe6 | but, it is awesome, once you get the hang of it. |
| 18:23.56 | medianine | i'm viewing a xmonad video |
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| 18:24.18 | MrFrood | dwm is fun if tlies are your thing |
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| 18:25.26 | medianine | MrFrood, i research a lighweight DE/WM so i'll see that too |
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| 18:26.49 | syockit | Can I use the scrollbar of my terminal emulator to scroll man, or any other program that has scrolling built-in (e.g less, vim) |
| 18:27.57 | dkr | syockit: the easy answer is "no" :) |
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| 18:28.41 | dkr | theoretically you could do some kind of mapping to cause your scrollbar to emit the appropriate keystrokes but it would be quite difficult, :) |
| 18:28.51 | tmm2 | found a good solution: dpkg-checkbuilddeps -d 'curl (>= 8.0)' /dev/null |
| 18:30.24 | syockit | dkr: so programs that don't output to stdout will never have the output on the terminal's scrollback buffer? that means aptitude also cannot have it, right? |
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| 18:31.26 | DelTree | hi... |
| 18:31.47 | dkr | syockit: when using it in ncurses, mode. yes |
| 18:32.06 | DelTree | is iceweasel 4.0 only available in experimental ? (not even in sid ?) |
| 18:32.19 | craigevil | DelTree, correct |
| 18:32.23 | Bushmills | syockit: having the mouse wheel remapped to vim cursor movement, therefore scrolling, is much easier |
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| 18:32.48 | dkr | or remapping your pageup/down keys |
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| 18:33.04 | DelTree | craigevil: alright... I'm gonna tell a few people that there're too quick in using firefox 4, then... |
| 18:33.52 | craigevil | or you can use the mozilla.debian.net repo ,which can be used to get iw 4 even on Squeeze |
| 18:33.56 | Bushmills | terminator remaps the wheel, also for a number of other programs. like less |
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| 18:34.36 | armaan | cn anybody tell me ,,where cn i find the source code of remastersys |
| 18:34.37 | syockit | Bushmills: yes, but I also want the ability to jump to parts of the page. of course, vim can easily do this by using the percentage jump on keyboard, but for apps that don't have such commands, it's quite difficult to scroll directly to certain parts without overscrolling |
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| 18:35.14 | Bushmills | syockit: if an app doesn't have such a command, the scrollbar can do nothing to make the app jump where you place the bar |
| 18:36.26 | Justin | syockit: what apps are you talking about? |
| 18:36.31 | syockit | bummer |
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| 18:36.51 | syockit | Justin: like less, man. by the way, do they have vim-like jump using percentage? |
| 18:37.23 | craigevil | DelTree, iceweasel: Installed: 5.0~b2-1 :) |
| 18:37.26 | Justin | syockit: man uses less |
| 18:37.39 | jordanm | syockit: man uses your default PAGER, which is probably less. most commands like goto line and searching work just like vim |
| 18:37.40 | Justin | syockit: try pressing 'h' in less |
| 18:37.51 | stew | (man uses /usr/bin/pager which *might* be less) |
| 18:38.07 | Justin | stew: what else would it be? |
| 18:38.07 | Bushmills | less has the p command |
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| 18:38.27 | syockit | okay nice! thanks |
| 18:38.33 | wols | Justin: more or anything else |
| 18:38.40 | Justin | wols: why would it be more? |
| 18:38.50 | Bushmills | p20% for example |
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| 18:39.21 | syockit | eh I thought that'd be just 20p |
| 18:39.24 | Justin | Bushmills: it's 20p or 20% |
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| 18:39.30 | Bushmills | either |
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| 18:39.40 | DelTree | 5.0 ? |
| 18:39.41 | Justin | no, p20% is p, then 20% |
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| 18:40.02 | Justin | and p without a number goes to the beginning of the file |
| 18:40.20 | syockit | you're right |
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| 18:41.12 | craigevil | DelTree, my apt-cache policy iceweasel output > http://paste.debian.net/118529/ |
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| 18:42.01 | jordanm | iw 5.0? |
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| 18:43.13 | stew | Justin: it would be more or most or w3m or some other pager depending on /etc/alternatives/pager |
| 18:43.32 | stew | Justin: and note that less isn't installed by default on debian afaik |
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| 18:44.18 | syockit | stew: yup. I got it pulled in by some package I don't remember its name |
| 18:44.46 | syockit | oh, console-log |
| 18:44.57 | DelTree | damn... impossible to make 3.5 and 4.0 cohabitate ? |
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| 18:45.22 | wols | DelTree: it's the same package but different version number. there can be only one |
| 18:45.55 | Justin | stew: less is priority: standard |
| 18:46.13 | DelTree | :/ |
| 18:46.15 | Justin | stew: unless someone changed it(which would imply that they know what a pager is) 'pager' would be 'less' |
| 18:46.22 | craigevil | you can have both 3.5 and 4.0 see http://glandium.org/blog/?p=1032 |
| 18:46.32 | wols | Justin: there is no "less" after installation |
| 18:47.09 | jordanm | its "more" unless you install less |
| 18:47.14 | Justin | wols: oh, heh, I think I may have puppet install it for me on every machine |
| 18:47.14 | jordanm | it's |
| 18:47.25 | jordanm | Justin: it is also part of standard |
| 18:47.44 | Justin | jordanm: that's what I said.. wols said it wasn't |
| 18:48.14 | stew | its part of standard, not part of base, so many people may end up with a system not containing it |
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| 18:49.15 | stew | it looks like less gets alternatives priority 77 and most is 60 and more is 50 |
| 18:50.36 | wols | Justin: there is a "standard" task in tasksel. if you install it, less is there, if not, it isn't |
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| 18:53.18 | syockit | i never used tasksel, so that's why |
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| 18:53.44 | DimmuR | while installing debian on vbox machine i come to point of installing software - in this step installer freeze but on other console i get info about missing gpg keys and question if i want to continue (so i should write 'Yes' or cancel 'No') - but it's only logs where can i confirm it or make it go away during install? |
| 18:53.47 | Justin | syockit: tasksel is started at the last step in the installer |
| 18:53.55 | Justin | and standard is pre-selected |
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| 18:56.00 | syockit | Justin: i installed via debootstrap |
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| 18:57.45 | webad13 | what is the "proper" way of adding scripts to boot in debina - should I do it through rc.local or creating separate executable script (with symlinks) in init.d |
| 18:58.08 | webad13 | s/debiana/debian |
| 18:58.22 | syockit | webad13: if not your own system, maybe init.d |
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| 18:58.54 | stew | webad13: these are proper ways, there are others. what do the scripts do? |
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| 18:59.48 | syockit | e.g. if it's just some customization to your system, and not something to be packaged |
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| 19:01.28 | Kasreyn | what is the debian equivalent of /proc/sys/kernel/ptrace_scope ? http://packaging-farm.dachary.org/chroot/debian/i386/natty/etc/sysctl.d/10-ptrace.conf |
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| 19:02.22 | project2501b | ... man i just... it aint my day... /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. |
| 19:02.32 | project2501b | that's... that's really informative. |
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| 19:03.27 | project2501b | where do i start diagnosing that error, from, please? /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. |
| 19:04.12 | secretary_linux | project2501b: where are you getting this error? |
| 19:05.33 | webad13 | syockit: sorry my connection died - it is just customization - then rc.local? |
| 19:05.34 | project2501b | secretary_linux: while trying to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.35 |
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| 19:06.40 | webad13 | stew: well right now I am just asking for a simple one line customization... but I would like to know in general what is the approach |
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| 19:08.29 | roger21 | to have something done daily systeme wide (not user wide) i just put the script /etc/cron.daily or there is something else ? and when is it run axactly ? |
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| 19:10.42 | project2501b | roger21: i imagine once a day on or after midnight |
| 19:10.43 | Bushmills | roger21: determined in /etc/crontab |
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| 19:11.05 | dkr | Kasreyn: I think you'd have to add the same kernel patch that implemented that restriction ubuntu made. hrm, or maybe there is a way to accomplish the same restriction with selinux (just guessing) |
| 19:11.05 | Bushmills | webad13: depends a bit what it is you're executing |
| 19:11.42 | stew | roger21: see /etc/crontab for when it is run |
| 19:11.57 | roger21 | yep it is actually in it |
| 19:12.01 | Kasreyn | dkr: yeah i think so too. time to patch / recompile that kernel.. |
| 19:12.12 | dkr | Kasreyn: here is the patch, fyi http://lwn.net/Articles/393010/ |
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| 19:12.15 | Bushmills | some like to put stuff into @reboot action of crontab, or an up action of network interfaces, if its network related |
| 19:12.51 | webad13 | Bushmills: say for instance I would like to disable beep: setterm -blength 0.... just as an example... what should be the best place to put it. I thought of having a separate script for all the customization and then just call it from rc.local |
| 19:12.52 | roger21 | well actually it is in anacrontab and in crontab (lunch fron crontab if no anacron) |
| 19:13.08 | Kasreyn | dkr: on some forum they were discussing how this only happens to developers. and who gives a shit about those people :) |
| 19:13.24 | Bushmills | webad13: that's something i'd most likely put into rc.local |
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| 19:13.38 | Bushmills | or in resp user profile |
| 19:13.40 | dkr | Kasreyn: the ubuntu docs say that, only devs or servers with just admin access would want this. and indeed, i do quite often use strace -p to debug stuff |
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| 19:14.00 | stew | webad13: that is soemthing you want to add to a user login script. it affects the current terminal, not all terminals |
| 19:14.44 | Kasreyn | dkr: oh ok. then maybe things will change after all. you don't mess with administrators |
| 19:14.48 | roger21 | i wonder if the time for thoses tasks is changed or is set up once for all at install, it is oviously random number |
| 19:15.16 | roger21 | oops not really actually |
| 19:15.45 | roger21 | not rounded but not chaotic etither |
| 19:16.05 | webad13 | stew: so in bashrc? |
| 19:16.17 | roger21 | there is quite the same time betwen each group and all during the 6th hour |
| 19:16.30 | roger21 | (not the eleventh though) |
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| 19:17.13 | stew | webad13: yes |
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| 19:22.52 | Iridos | how does one tell if one needs linux-firmware-nonfree except by noticing that one has no internet and hence has trouble installing it |
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| 19:23.22 | pozic | How can I configure the browser Java uses to open urls? |
| 19:23.45 | pozic | I am using the Sun JRE. |
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| 19:25.53 | stew | Iridos: if you are installing a debian kernel, the postinst scripts warns you |
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| 19:26.17 | Iridos | ah, alright... thanks stew |
| 19:26.20 | dokma | I'm getting about 50MB/s when copying from one to another identical disk on sata. Is that normal performance? |
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| 19:27.15 | pozic | dokma: real-world peformance or a benchmark? |
| 19:27.15 | tuxcrafter | dokma: depends on disk |
| 19:27.20 | pozic | performance* |
| 19:27.40 | shirish | hi all, does anybody how can I get a directory listing of some site using wget, just directory listing, not downloading. |
| 19:27.45 | dokma | this is real world |
| 19:27.50 | dokma | I'm copying some backups to restore |
| 19:27.51 | Iridos | "normal" depends on your neighborhood :) |
| 19:28.11 | dokma | tuxcrafter: just wanted to know it's nothing abnormaly low |
| 19:28.14 | abrotman | shirish: not all servers allow that |
| 19:28.23 | _ohm | Trying to compile program from source, getting this error http://pastebin.com/eY6JUi3v. I've adjusted the time and time zone so they match my current position. Any ideas on how to solve it? |
| 19:28.37 | dokma | abrotman: do you know thumbs? |
| 19:28.44 | shirish | abrotman: right, but still if I do wanted to try, what would I have to do ? |
| 19:28.44 | abrotman | they're next to my fingers |
| 19:28.58 | pozic | dokma: I would not find it very odd, but I am sure other people have better hardware. |
| 19:29.11 | abrotman | shirish: i'm not sure .. but i was just pointing out it may not be possible |
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| 19:29.26 | dokma | pozic: just wanted to know it's average |
| 19:29.38 | dokma | I don't care about 3l1t3 performance |
| 19:29.42 | stew | _ohm: if your clock is correct, then the source files must be incorrectly dated in the future, you should fix those dates in that case |
| 19:30.06 | dokma | abrotman: you know thumbs maybee? |
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| 19:30.19 | tuxcrafter | dokma: no it can be normal performance |
| 19:30.31 | dokma | tuxcrafter: thanks |
| 19:31.08 | _ohm | stew, is the date in the source file? do I use "touch"? How do I do that exactly? |
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| 19:31.56 | Iridos | shirish, wget http://server.com/some/dir/ -O - #("download" to stdout) |
| 19:32.08 | Justin | _ohm: easiest fix would be to just re-extract the source tarball |
| 19:32.21 | pozic | I have an application which apparently uses an old openUrl mozilla option (but I don't know exactly what it does), is there some other newer browser compatible with that? Or do I have to reverse-engineer it? |
| 19:32.45 | _ohm | Justin, thank you, I'll give it a shot now |
| 19:32.46 | shirish | Iridos: what is the # for ? |
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| 19:33.01 | TheWarden | How do I find out a file's create date? |
| 19:33.05 | jhutchins_lt | _ohm: Are you familiar with the concept of man pages? |
| 19:33.08 | TheWarden | creation* |
| 19:33.14 | Iridos | shirish, comment sign to separate my comment on it from the command |
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| 19:33.35 | jhutchins_lt | TheWarden: Most filesystems don't track it due to it's inaccuracy. |
| 19:34.07 | TheWarden | jhutchins_lt: Oh really, I had no idea. Thanks. |
| 19:34.16 | _ohm | jhutchins_lt, yes... |
| 19:34.29 | jhutchins_lt | TheWarden: Inconsistency in how applications handle the file when they modify it make it meaningless. |
| 19:34.48 | jhutchins_lt | _ohm: touch has a very interesting man page. |
| 19:35.16 | TheWarden | jhutchins_lt: yeah I can understand that. |
| 19:35.39 | Justin | pozic: you didn't used to be able to run 'netscape http://foo', it would start another browser |
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| 19:36.02 | shirish | Iridos: thank you |
| 19:36.04 | shirish | out |
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| 19:36.26 | Justin | pozic: you had to run netscape -remote 'openUrl(... |
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| 19:40.19 | pozic | Justin: where can I configure which browser Java opens? |
| 19:40.41 | pozic | Justin: it appears that the tool which you are supposed to use for that, does not work. |
| 19:41.07 | Justin | pozic: what method does the program use for starting a browser? |
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| 19:42.30 | pozic | Justin: I don't know, but I think something extremely old and standard. |
| 19:42.57 | pozic | Justin: I think openURL. |
| 19:43.51 | project2501b | shit. it looks like my device.map is not correct. nowhere near correct! |
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| 19:44.09 | project2501b | if i delete it or archive it, can it be re-generated? |
| 19:44.33 | ZykoticK9 | pozic, i had an issue with Gwibber opening the wrong browser, I used galternatives to set gnome-www-browser and x-www-browser which corrected my problem - perhaps it could apply to your case as well? Good luck. |
| 19:44.40 | project2501b | WOOT! |
| 19:44.41 | project2501b | yes you can |
| 19:44.43 | project2501b | :D |
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| 19:45.12 | project2501b | mv'ed device.map to device.map.original and update-grub2 and it's all spifyyyyyyyyy |
| 19:45.17 | project2501b | I LOVE YOU DEBIAn |
| 19:45.26 | project2501b | I got 99 poblems |
| 19:45.31 | project2501b | but my OS aint one |
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| 19:45.40 | project2501b | if you got Ubuntu problems, i feel bad for you son |
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| 19:46.16 | pozic | ZykoticK9: how do I set those? |
| 19:46.31 | ZykoticK9 | pozic, using galternatives - it's in the default repo |
| 19:46.49 | stew | pozic: you would use "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" |
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| 19:48.35 | pozic | stew: those do not solve the issue. I kind of doubt they hardcoded it into the application. |
| 19:48.50 | MrFrood | !galternatives |
| 19:48.50 | dpkg | galternatives is a GUI to help the system administrator to choose what program should provide a given service, using the Debian <alternatives> system. |
| 19:49.06 | pozic | Will try that too, then. |
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| 19:50.52 | webad13 | does anyone know how to disable word wrap in w3m? |
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| 19:51.07 | stew | pozic: check the source |
| 19:51.36 | pozic | stew: I don't have the source, unfortunately, but I suppose I could decompile it. |
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| 19:52.19 | kdk995509383kkdd | how should i put a bash script with an 'unrar e' command, that after it has been run should ask me which file to extract |
| 19:52.50 | thewanderer1 | kdk995509383kkdd: hmm, #bash ? |
| 19:53.48 | stew | pozic: i don't believe there is a standard way to open a browser in java, so I believe they must have hard coded it |
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| 19:54.45 | kdk995509383kkdd | thewanderer1: what do u mean? |
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| 19:54.50 | thewanderer1 | kdk995509383kkdd: the channel name |
| 19:55.00 | sdthkaq | Why the heck isn't the Colbert Report running anymore? |
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| 19:55.48 | stew | sdthkaq: wrong channel, you want #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 19:56.20 | kdk995509383kkdd | ah ok |
| 19:56.39 | sdthkaq | stew: sorry, since Debian users and Colbert Report watchers are both decent people, I thought I was right here :) |
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| 19:57.24 | pozic | stew: I know that in Java 1.6 there is a standard way. Not that it helps, but just FYI. |
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| 20:05.12 | Abddu | Help, I honestly can't understand what /etc/init.d/portmap is for. Do I need it for a single machine behind a router, with sshd server and a samba share? |
| 20:06.25 | Arrowmaster | you can remove it but youll remove NFS stuff |
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| 20:07.32 | Abddu | Arrowmaster: My problem is MUCH too much abbreviations, as a rather newbie user. Again, I don't know what your answer means and what NFS is, so I have no clue what effect this can have on my computer. :) |
| 20:07.57 | Arrowmaster | !nfs |
| 20:07.57 | dpkg | Network File System (NFS) is a distributed file system protocol developed by Sun Microsystems. To set up and secure, read the Linux NFS-HOWTO at http://nfs.sf.net/nfs-howto/ . For notes on NFSv4 in Debian, see /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4. Mailing list: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-nfs . http://wiki.debian.org/NFS http://nfs.sf.net/ #linux-nfs on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:08.58 | Abddu | Honestly, I hit a wall when trying to understand what portmap is, it's just a neverneding series of abbreviations that are defined by another abbreviations, some looped. Even usually readable sourves like wikipedia.org are just bla bla. :/ |
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| 20:09.17 | abrotman | Abddu: you likely don't need it. It's generally for people using NFS or famd .. you're likely using neither |
| 20:09.24 | abrotman | !portmap |
| 20:09.25 | dpkg | for sun RPC based services (like <NFS> and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. But be careful, if you running NFS on a remote box, your box doesn't boot then... |
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| 20:12.26 | ix | what in the smack does "running NFS on a remote box" mean? |
| 20:13.42 | Abddu | abrotman: Would you be s kind to tell in simple man's words, when would I DO need it? Like: you need if you you want to... |
| 20:13.56 | ZykoticK9 | ix, i believe that would be referring to a system that has it's / or /home running on a remote NFS server - it is a poorly worded factoid |
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| 20:14.26 | Arrowmaster | Abddu: NFS is kinda like samba, but not |
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| 20:15.03 | Digdilem | that's almost zen |
| 20:15.25 | Abddu | Arrowmaster: Can I safely assume that as I never even heard of RPC/NFS/famd/NIS i can disable portmap? :D |
| 20:15.27 | Arrowmaster | so if you have a system that needs networked filesystems mounted from another computer to work properly, removing portmap and nfs will cause problems |
| 20:15.32 | peterrooney | Abddu: NFS allows you to have your filesystem on a remote, networked box instead of on a hard drive - eg. /home/ can be the same on all machines on the network. |
| 20:15.38 | TheWarden | How can I get the id (primary key value) just after my data is saved? |
| 20:15.42 | stew | pozic: what is the standard way in 1.6? |
| 20:16.19 | Abddu | Arrowmaster: now I think I get it. Seems I won't need it for just a desktop machine + an sshd server. Thank you. :) |
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| 20:17.19 | stew | Abddu: famd would be used by nautilus to do stuff like notify you when the contents of a folder you have open are modified |
| 20:17.19 | pozic | stew: I don't know, but I saw a website with some code which claimed it was doing that and it looked sane in my 1 second look. |
| 20:17.22 | stew | Abddu: iirc |
| 20:17.55 | syockit | how do I check what shell I'm in right now? my tmux doesn't seem to load .bashrc |
| 20:18.14 | TheWarden | any I got it $this->Importexport->id or $this->ModelName->getInsertID() or $this->ModelName->getLastInsertID() |
| 20:18.18 | stew | syockit: echo $SHELL |
| 20:18.23 | ix | ZykoticK9: Yeah, that was what I assumed. Completely unrelated to the help snippet. :-P |
| 20:18.35 | MrFrood | thinks real nerds use gnu screen :P |
| 20:18.53 | syockit | stew: thanks. it says bash, so the problem must lie somewhere else |
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| 20:19.57 | Arrowmaster | $SHELL isnt always the running shell but the default shell defined in /etc/passwd |
| 20:21.39 | syockit | okay, I got it. It somehow defaults to using login shell |
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| 20:21.57 | syockit | and my .bash_profile doesnt . .bashrc |
| 20:22.07 | syockit | I thought /etc/profile handled that |
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| 20:22.51 | Arrowmaster | bash is all over the place on what files it uses |
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| 20:23.44 | astory | I'm looking for policy guidelines on calling notify-reboot-required in package postinst. I haven't found any docs on this after about an hour of searching; any idea where I might find some? |
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| 20:26.22 | Justin | astory: i'd imagine you should only call that if the system requires a reboot after installing/upgrading the package |
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| 20:27.39 | astory | Justin: yes, I'm working on something that's not packaging something; I want to know if packages *always* call that script, or if there are packages that touch /var/run/reboot-required directly, and if this is concordant with policy. |
| 20:27.46 | pozic | stew: my reverse-engineered 'netscape' script works :) |
| 20:28.13 | Justin | pozic: now you can party like it's 1999 |
| 20:29.28 | stew | astory: its not mentioned in policy anywhere |
| 20:29.43 | astory | stew: that's what I was afraid of, thanks |
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| 20:47.25 | Gump | hey #debian, i have a bit of a problem. i lost some files on an NTFS partition, that has been reformatted. i want to recover those files without restoring the entire partition, as it now overlaps my current ext3 partition. any suggestions on utilities that can recover individual files? |
| 20:47.51 | mrdeb | how do you show the output shown before starting x on the screen, once in x |
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| 20:49.18 | MrFrood | mrdeb: ctrl+alt+f1 then shift+page-up/down to scroll through |
| 20:49.31 | mrdeb | i dont want to kill hte server |
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| 20:49.47 | MrFrood | ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to X |
| 20:50.01 | mrdeb | will it clsoe all windows |
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| 20:50.37 | ZykoticK9 | MrFrood, would "dmesg" show the same output? mrdeb |
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| 20:50.51 | mrdeb | dmesg ok |
| 20:51.12 | mrdeb | oh that's what it's called. kernel ring buffer |
| 20:51.16 | mrdeb | hmm |
| 20:51.17 | MrFrood | f1 will take you to vt1 & f7 should (with a normal debian install) take you back to the vt X is running on |
| 20:51.42 | MrFrood | vt1 is used during the boot |
| 20:52.16 | MrFrood | X normally runns on the last vt |
| 20:52.58 | MrFrood | ZykoticK9: mostly |
| 20:53.03 | ZykoticK9 | MrFrood, not really the "last" as you can have multiple GUI ?VTs |
| 20:53.17 | mrdeb | thanks ZykoticK9 |
| 20:53.32 | ZykoticK9 | mrdeb, see MrFrood comment to me above. |
| 20:54.03 | MrFrood | ZykoticK9: yeah but X opens up a new vt so normally it/they are the last ones |
| 20:54.08 | mrdeb | huh |
| 20:54.27 | mrdeb | i just wanted to see about some server rpc service that bugs out and maybe remove it |
| 20:54.34 | mrdeb | rpcmd or something |
| 20:54.48 | mrdeb | also, shutting down all services fails now too. it lags |
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| 20:57.09 | mrdeb | so, when wheezy comes out, at what point should i change apt sources from testing to wheezy to freeze it, or should i just change it now to wheezy and remove the words testing |
| 20:57.56 | MrFrood | mrdeb: change it NOW |
| 20:58.04 | mrdeb | ok |
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| 20:58.15 | mrdeb | i guess that is a good way to do it. |
| 20:58.27 | mrdeb | so wheezy and wheezy/updatesA |
| 20:58.29 | mrdeb | ? |
| 20:58.39 | MrFrood | if left at testing you risk an acidental upgrade |
| 20:58.51 | mrdeb | what wuld happen if i changd it now to squeeze |
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| 20:58.58 | mrdeb | back to stable |
| 20:59.13 | adnc | hello, is there a non suhosin php version for debian squeeze? |
| 20:59.17 | MrFrood | you would end up with a messed up system |
| 20:59.50 | mrdeb | yes |
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| 20:59.52 | mrdeb | i knew it |
| 21:00.22 | mrdeb | so wheezy is hte same as doing testing now |
| 21:00.28 | mrdeb | ? |
| 21:01.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any apps that I can use to take a 10,000+ line text file and erase all lines that dont start with "filename:"? I really was hoping that something exists to make it easier than doing it by hand. |
| 21:01.35 | ryan-c | LinuxGuy2009: grep |
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| 21:02.08 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: sed -n -i.bak '/^filename:/p' |
| 21:02.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok. Thats a good idea. I'll have to read the manual and see how. Thanks. |
| 21:02.26 | pozic | LinuxGuy2009: is it bldada.jpg or 'filename'? |
| 21:02.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | actual text being looked for is "filename:" |
| 21:02.51 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: "sed -n -i.bak '/^filename:/p' filename" (the -i.bak means "edit the file in place, but create a .bak backup file of the original") |
| 21:02.56 | ryan-c | slightly more complicated if you need to check if the part before the colon is an actual filename |
| 21:03.04 | ryan-c | grep '^filename:' file |
| 21:03.15 | MrFrood | mrdeb: yes |
| 21:03.15 | pozic | grep -v filename: |
| 21:03.19 | mrdeb | what if the file is a pdf |
| 21:03.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok cool Ill try that seems simple enough. |
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| 21:03.48 | ryan-c | mrdeb: pdftotext.... |
| 21:04.04 | mrdeb | ool |
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| 21:04.39 | pozic | What does pdftotext do with sigma's? |
| 21:04.59 | pozic | E.g. those used for summations. |
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| 21:05.34 | rypervenche | Ahhh, it feels great to be back to Debian :) |
| 21:05.45 | ryan-c | pozic: I don't know. |
| 21:05.53 | Gump | #debian, is there a way to install an html5 extention to chrome or firefox? the only one i can find is the microsoft one, which requires windows media player |
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| 21:06.02 | ryan-c | i doubt it'll handle it well |
| 21:06.04 | Gump | *html5 flash extention |
| 21:06.04 | phogg | pozic: direct observation is the simplest way to answer this question. I believe anything unrecognized is simply omitted, but I have not tried sigma specifically. |
| 21:06.42 | phogg | Gump: what is the "html5 flash extension"? |
| 21:06.49 | pozic | phogg: yes, but I don't care about it that much, but it might be useful later. |
| 21:07.12 | Gump | phogg, an alternate way of playing flash videos. you might know it from the trial youtube is doing right now, that you can opt into |
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| 21:07.47 | pozic | Gump: you just get the latest version, and you pass a flag that you want all the crazy new stuff. |
| 21:08.04 | pozic | Gump: s/crazy/shiny |
| 21:08.17 | Gump | pozic, ...what? gnash and flashplugin-nonfree have both failed |
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| 21:08.29 | Gump | i would only be trying this if there were no other options |
| 21:08.30 | syockit | is there a manpage server that allows manpages to be viewed in browser? |
| 21:08.49 | phogg | Gump: After consulting google I suspect what you want is a native way to play h264 videos that are embedded in a <video> tag. |
| 21:09.03 | Gump | phogg, correct |
| 21:09.14 | pozic | Gump: I responded to your question. |
| 21:09.26 | phogg | Gump: what has this to do with flash, then? |
| 21:09.29 | pozic | Gump: your response does not match, in any way, what I said. |
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| 21:09.44 | Gump | gets really confused |
| 21:10.34 | Gump | pozic, what do you mean by "pass a flag that you want all the crazy new stuff." |
| 21:10.46 | MrFrood | syockit: what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:12.16 | pozic | Gump: you call chromium-browser --help/read the instructions and you find it. |
| 21:12.28 | pozic | Gump: I didn't bother to do so myself. |
| 21:12.32 | Gump | pozic, alright. thanks |
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| 21:13.52 | eft_ | what is best tool for backing up large tarballs from a debian vm to a windows file server? |
| 21:14.16 | syockit | MrFrood: just view manpages in browser. http://awesome.naquadah.org/doc/manpages/awesome.1.html don't you think it's rather pretty? |
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| 21:15.32 | MrFrood | syockit: nice |
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| 21:16.48 | syockit | maybe I have to write one |
| 21:17.09 | MrFrood | syockit: you could try playing with the value for $MANPAGER (I know w3m works quit well as a value but I never tried a gui browser) |
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| 21:18.06 | rypervenche | Gump: There is a program that does that for Firefox. It comes default in Trisquel. |
| 21:18.06 | debian_kid | Hi ... I just migrated from openSUSE ...cant install any package http://pastebin.com/P0XVzy7v |
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| 21:18.47 | jhutchins_lt | !sources |
| 21:18.47 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:18.55 | MrFrood | syockit: give the number of web-sites out there doing *nix man pages ther must be a perl or php module available somewhere |
| 21:18.57 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mplayer |
| 21:18.58 | judd | Package mplayer on i386 -- lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1-2; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1-2; sid-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20110505-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20110505-0.0 |
| 21:19.15 | zenwryly | hey, where is the "arch" for the system configured? I take it it's somewhere in dpkg's config, but I can't find it. |
| 21:20.18 | debian_kid | judd: jhutchins_lt Can I install install synaptic here ? I will try n learch apt gradually |
| 21:20.55 | debian_kid | judd: jhutchins_lt I have installed the lxde spin |
| 21:20.57 | MrFrood | does not start an aptitude/apt war ... |
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| 21:22.30 | jhutchins_lt | debian_kid: synaptic is usually installed by default if you install a GUI desktop. |
| 21:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | debian_kid: The problem is that you need to fix your sources.list and update it. |
| 21:23.01 | jhutchins_lt | You may also want to /msg dpkg dmm for some more advanced versions of things like mplayer. |
| 21:24.08 | debian_kid | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/TKxwqXG2 |
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| 21:26.21 | debian_kid | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/9uV03qLg |
| 21:26.22 | jhutchins_lt | debian_kid: aptitude is your friend. |
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| 21:28.12 | jhutchins_lt | debian_kid: See above where dpkg posted the deb source line for the main repository; add that line to sources.list. Add "contrib non-free" to the end of the line (without the quotes), then aptitude update && aptitude install mplayer |
| 21:28.36 | debian_kid | jhutchins_lt: Do I need to add more repos to install Smplayer ? I have already done apt-get update |
| 21:28.54 | jhutchins_lt | debian_kid: I would suggest also that you /msg dpkg dmm and add the debian-multimedia repo. |
| 21:28.56 | debian_kid | jhutchins_lt: Sorry didnt see that |
| 21:29.33 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude update updates the software catalog, so any time you add a source you should run it. You may want to comment out the CD. |
| 21:29.50 | wolfric | This is a bit on the edge so i'll try multiple channels with this, but i've setup 2 debian boxes. slapd on one and libpam-ldap on the other. I've setup a user on slapd with password 123. I'm trying to login on the debian client. I tailed the /var/log/auth and it shows error trying to bind as "cn=bobby jones,ou=people,dc=example,dc=com" which i then tried in phpldapadmin on the server with 123 and it logged in fine |
| 21:30.44 | wolfric | Any ideas/hints/notions of what could be wrong or how to diagnose it more. I'm about to install wireshark and see i'm able to see anything shows up but in the mean time.. any ideas on what to look at next? |
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| 21:31.18 | jhutchins_lt | debian_kid: aptitude also has a menu mode, run plain aptitude to get it. |
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| 21:36.35 | debian_kid | jhutchins_lt: I have added the multimedia repo BUT .......... |
| 21:38.12 | debian_kid | jhutchins_lt: Didn't get "See above where dpkg posted the deb source line for the main repository; add that line to sources.list. Add "contrib non-free" to the end of the line (without the quotes)" ..........Please explain that ....See above ? Where ? |
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| 21:43.36 | jhutchins_lt | sry. |
| 21:44.05 | jhutchins_lt | deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 21:44.17 | jhutchins_lt | debian_kid: Like that ^^^ |
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| 21:48.57 | project2501b | hmmm. i am running squeeze. i installed virtualbox and configured a new image. i would like to install windows on it. i configured it via the gui interface with ssh -X |
| 21:50.12 | debian_kid | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/SKNCtwgf |
| 21:51.00 | project2501b | hmmm. i am running squeeze. i installed virtualbox and configured a new image. i would like to install windows on it. i configured it via the gui interface with ssh -X. but when i press the start button, i do not see the new window being created.... |
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| 21:56.53 | thewanderer1 | project2501b: SDL might have problems passing through SSH's X forwarding... |
| 21:57.09 | thewanderer1 | I guess that's why I use KVM for that kind of remote stuff |
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| 21:58.16 | project2501b | *nod* |
| 21:58.19 | mycae | Hello, does anyone know what the current standard for performing a mapping of font name (eg "Dejavu Sans") to filename is? It used to be all in one big folder, but now there is a hierarchy... |
| 21:58.22 | debian_kid | jhutchins_lt: Sorry for the mix up ....This is new for me ......the installation process has started ....Thanks for your patience |
| 21:59.41 | Abddu | I just ran aptitude purge portmap nfs-common, but the init scripts are all still there. Will they be gone on reboot? That's worrying. |
| 21:59.54 | project2501b | thewanderer1: thanks man. good info. i justr tried with --rmode image . does not seem to work. i think i will create a windows vm on my mac and copy it over |
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| 22:01.01 | thewanderer1 | project2501b, yeah, that works too - later you can just enable RDP inside Windows |
| 22:01.25 | Abddu | mycae: Do you mean you want to find the ttf/otf files? |
| 22:01.41 | project2501b | thewanderer1: <3 |
| 22:01.54 | mycae | Ya. I have an opengl program that needs to load fonts. |
| 22:02.15 | mycae | it used to simply search through a standard list of dirs, but now they are not valid. |
| 22:02.26 | mycae | I could change my dirs again, but this seems to be not very robust. |
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| 22:03.50 | Abddu | mycae: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/ is the default |
| 22:03.56 | mycae | thats ok, but it wasn't before |
| 22:04.02 | Ahmuck | what is the latest "stable" version of debian? |
| 22:04.06 | mycae | it seems to "move" |
| 22:04.16 | mycae | before it was just /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ |
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| 22:05.02 | mycae | i only noticed this after my code broke after distribution :/ |
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| 22:06.09 | stew | Ahmuck: squeeze 6.0.1 |
| 22:06.14 | Abddu | mycae: I'm not a programmer, but isn't it a rather bad idea to point to fontfile names directly instead of using system-wide available fontfamily names? |
| 22:06.21 | mycae | no |
| 22:06.38 | mycae | opengl, and specifically ftgl requires direct vertex data. |
| 22:06.54 | mycae | this then is directly passed to the video card. |
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| 22:07.00 | mycae | no X11 font manager. |
| 22:08.03 | gturner | my apt-cacher-ng install and several hosts using it has been failing the last couple days. |
| 22:08.17 | gturner | trying to trace the problem, i discovered wget http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/Release hangs |
| 22:08.25 | gturner | yet wget http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/Release.gpg works |
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| 22:08.37 | stew | gturner: for which ip address(es)? |
| 22:08.46 | gturner | 2001:4f8:8:36::6 |
| 22:08.50 | gturner | ;-) |
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| 22:15.44 | gturner | stew: could stein.debian.org be the only ipv6 security.debian.org mirror and is under maintenance? |
| 22:15.46 | JordiGH | X doesn't seem to be picking up my touchpad. If I try to middle click by clicking both buttons, it registers as a left and right click. |
| 22:16.02 | JordiGH | It also seems to be really messing up with other X events. |
| 22:16.14 | JordiGH | How can I start debugging this? |
| 22:17.06 | thewanderer1 | gturner: the wget line you gave works for me |
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| 22:17.28 | thewanderer1 | gturner: Translacja security.debian.org... 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f, 2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb, 2001:8d8:580:400:6564:a62:0:2 |
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| 22:18.22 | gturner | thewanderer1: thanks! looks like you got a different AAAA record for security.debian.org |
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| 22:19.18 | thewanderer1 | gturner: using a cache, maybe? |
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| 22:20.03 | Daskreech | Is there a way to make a button to connect to a samba share? |
| 22:20.18 | phogg | Daskreech: a button where? |
| 22:20.26 | Daskreech | On the Panel |
| 22:20.34 | phogg | Daskreech: on what panel? GNOME? |
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| 22:20.43 | Daskreech | Fluxbox here |
| 22:20.43 | gturner | thewanderer1: don't think so, i tried a few "dig +trace security.debian.org AAAA" queries and geo1/2/3 nameservers always give me schein.debian.org |
| 22:20.45 | daemonkeeper | Put the mount command to a .desktop file. |
| 22:21.14 | DrumScum | why the mount command? |
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| 22:21.40 | DrumScum | he'll have to run that at root, eg. by putting gksudo in front of it |
| 22:21.49 | daemonkeeper | Sure |
| 22:22.00 | DrumScum | better use gvfs |
| 22:22.31 | phogg | DrumScum: or just put a users mountpoint in fstab |
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| 22:22.40 | Daskreech | I suppose i should ask before what are the options for interfacing with a docx ? |
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| 22:23.06 | yassine | hi all, |
| 22:23.08 | Daskreech | phogg: users mount makes sense. The only reason this machine woud be used is to check mail and connect to the samba share |
| 22:23.11 | phogg | Daskreech: open it in a Word Processor that understands the format, e.g. OpenOffice. What other kind of interfacing did you want? |
| 22:23.23 | syockit | what do you call this keyboard behaviour when pressing meta+1 gives you ±? tmux is doing it |
| 22:23.32 | DrumScum | I'd do something like 'nautilus smb://host/share' |
| 22:23.45 | phogg | DrumScum: but then you'd be using nautilus )-: |
| 22:23.48 | Daskreech | phogg: That would work. I'm considering changing the docx to .doc and not telling anyone |
| 22:23.48 | syockit | oops, apparently not just tmux |
| 22:23.50 | JordiGH | syockit: Meta? You mean AltGr or are you using a Sun keyboard? |
| 22:23.50 | mycae | syockit: compose key? |
| 22:24.09 | DrumScum | ah, okay, he just wants to connect to it... |
| 22:24.17 | yassine | anyone know why pbzip2 does only uses one core instead of the detected default (4) while decopressing a file? am i supposed to provide some concrete params that enables multiple core usage? |
| 22:24.18 | DrumScum | not open it in a file browser |
| 22:24.18 | syockit | JordiGH: just your regular alt. and my keyboard has only one alt |
| 22:24.21 | DrumScum | my bad |
| 22:24.26 | Daskreech | DrumScum: correct |
| 22:24.47 | syockit | mycae: right. I wonder what's setting my alt as compose. any clues where to look first? |
| 22:24.58 | mycae | its in the gnome keyboard preferences, if you run gnome |
| 22:25.06 | phogg | ... |
| 22:25.13 | syockit | mycae: awesome+tmux+bash |
| 22:25.25 | syockit | mycae: and no session manager |
| 22:25.25 | DrumScum | but a line in fstab would mount the share at boot time |
| 22:25.34 | gturner | thewanderer1: thanks for the IP address from your wget output. I plopped it in /etc/hosts and apt-cacher-ng no longer stalls. must be a mirror outage on schein.debian.org |
| 22:25.42 | mycae | NFI then |
| 22:25.44 | DrumScum | syockit: devine combination |
| 22:25.51 | DrumScum | I'm using that myself |
| 22:26.04 | phogg | mycae: GNOME's UI is just a way to control X, AFAIK it doesn't have its own keymap. |
| 22:26.05 | syockit | DrumScum: should I check xorg config? |
| 22:26.14 | DrumScum | well, no bash but tcsh instead |
| 22:26.22 | thewanderer1 | gturner: no problem... the question is, what evil forces drive the DNS servers :P |
| 22:26.39 | mycae | ya, but no idea how to do that to X without writing code. |
| 22:26.42 | syockit | DrumScum: is asking "what's special about tcsh?" offtopic here? |
| 22:26.46 | mycae | which I would call gnome :) |
| 22:26.54 | DrumScum | nah |
| 22:27.18 | DrumScum | but about that rogue alt key: are you by any chance using xterm? |
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| 22:27.36 | syockit | DrumScum: okay, what's so special about tcsh over bash? I'm guessing speed? btw, yes, I'm on xterm |
| 22:28.04 | DrumScum | haha, I recall some issues I had with the alt key and xterm |
| 22:28.06 | Daskreech | DrumScum: Long as I can get to it easily after tha |
| 22:28.19 | DrumScum | I'll look it up |
| 22:28.46 | syockit | ok so xterm huh. gonna check it out |
| 22:28.51 | DrumScum | I put some stuff in my ~/.Xresources to fix it |
| 22:29.21 | DrumScum | XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true |
| 22:29.33 | DrumScum | XTerm*eightBitInput: false |
| 22:29.48 | DrumScum | try putting those in your ~/.Xresources |
| 22:30.38 | DrumScum | and then reload the running database with xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
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| 22:35.34 | syockit | DrumScum: thanks! i also put "set meta-flag on" "set convert-meta off" "set output-meta on" in .inputrc but is that even needed? |
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| 22:35.47 | DrumScum | So it did work then? |
| 22:36.02 | DrumScum | Yes, leave that stuff in .inputrc |
| 22:36.07 | DrumScum | won't hurt ;-) |
| 22:37.46 | syockit | DrumScum: the .inputrc wasn't there originally, but a guide I found said to create it with those entries |
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| 22:38.33 | frackle | !ops |
| 22:38.33 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 22:39.35 | mycae | did alitoh.debian.org stop accepting SSH passwords? |
| 22:39.41 | mycae | *alioth |
| 22:39.44 | syockit | author of bash says slowness is its weakness but i've never felt it |
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| 22:41.56 | MrFrood | I don't know the anser but this Q keeps croping up since the downtime at alioth the other week |
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| 22:42.21 | MrFrood | I think they changed their keys or something |
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| 22:43.58 | mycae | very inconvenient. Their website is currently not working properly. |
| 22:44.47 | phogg | syockit: bash isn't slow on modern hardware. Nobody cares about shell script number crunching and performance stopped being an issue outside of embedded long ago. |
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| 22:45.37 | MrFrood | phogg: speak for yourself |
| 22:46.03 | phogg | MrFrood: always do. Do you know somewhere that bash's speed matters? |
| 22:46.25 | MrFrood | *shell speed ? |
| 22:46.29 | Spec | Or modern, non-embedded hardware where bash is slow? o.O |
| 22:46.49 | MrFrood | on multi user systems it can still be an issue |
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| 22:48.32 | phogg | MrFrood: I suppose, but never in my experience. At least you didn't mean that you cared about crunching numbers in sh, that would be scary. |
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| 22:50.44 | MrFrood | phogg: one example would be sdf.org, a provider of shell acounts - the server used by those with the "free" accounts can get terribly congested |
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| 22:51.49 | mycae | bash on boot.. lots of slow string testing. |
| 22:53.38 | MrFrood | the fastest usable shell I've come accross is osh but alas it is not yet in the debian repros |
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| 22:56.49 | cheako | Hello, I've made great strides in the area of Apache/sudo in regards to my project. I'm only now missing one component. |
| 22:56.51 | cheako | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/thrd5.html#02090 |
| 22:57.00 | cheako | now only? |
| 22:58.19 | thewanderer1 | cheako: if you need to interface interfaces, maybe it's a better idea to resign from that altogether and manage the network yourself |
| 22:58.25 | cheako | In short can [1]this be accomplished some how? 1. http://pastebin.com/JTXU7b6j |
| 22:59.06 | thewanderer1 | you can make your own handler using some shell scripting and iproute2 |
| 22:59.34 | cheako | thewanderer1: That's one option, I'll need to lookup how to effect the changes I'm needing. |
| 22:59.43 | thewanderer1 | for reference, m0n0wall has a peculiar network configuration system based on XML (AFAIK) that you might want to check out |
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| 23:01.29 | cheako | On another note, I found it surprising that the current config file format was so difficult to work with programmaticly. |
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| 23:02.30 | thewanderer1 | not really, you just need a custom stateful parser |
| 23:02.45 | thewanderer1 | I bet one is implemented in ifupdown, you could take that |
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| 23:09.52 | cheako | thewanderer1: Keep reading the thread, I wrote one in perl. As I said difficult to work with. What I havn't yet written was a generator. |
| 23:10.33 | thewanderer1 | a generator is almost always simpler than a parser |
| 23:10.51 | thewanderer1 | what project is that, anyway? |
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| 23:15.03 | m0hit | hi. I'm trying to use the debconf library for python for my config and postinst files. |
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| 23:15.20 | m0hit | the postinst seems to work, but the config does not work. |
| 23:15.40 | m0hit | there is no configuration that pops up. it works fine if I use bash. |
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| 23:25.43 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:29.38 | cheako | thewanderer1: The parser was still incomplete and I had problems correctly expressing the configuration as variables. |
| 23:30.16 | cheako | thewanderer1: The project is to update 6in4 tunnels when the remote end was assigned a new IP address. |
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| 23:34.13 | john_rambo | Hi .... I want to install a local deb package ,,,,,using dpkg doesnt download the dependencies automatically ..........I need to follow which method to achieve this ? |
| 23:34.20 | thewanderer1 | cheako: you should probably devise a template file to be processed by a preprocessor, like cpp (#include "mysettings.h") and only generate whatever you need from a template |
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| 23:36.48 | cheako | thewanderer1: That's one solution I considered. Though it lacks any ability to interrogate the existing configuration. Having one process that pulls information out and another the recreates a template is too much like the convert to XML and then convert back process that I believe after 2008 it's high time some one implemented this. |
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| 23:38.40 | smugglerinc | Would installing dependencies from the sid repos with apt pinning be the cleanest method of installing the dev version of wine? |
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| 23:41.15 | monokrome | Hey. Is there a way to do an automated install of Postfix through apt? It asks a bunch of questions that we can't answer because we're using automated deployment... |
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| 23:42.09 | smugglerinc | Might be able to use a seedfile? Or is that just on installs? |
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| 23:42.36 | monokrome | A seedfile? |
| 23:42.39 | drags | monokrome: if apt is running non-interactively it won't pop up the curses prompts. i have puppet installing postfix and then copying in all my config info and I skip the dpkg configure step |
| 23:42.59 | monokrome | drags: What command is for non-interactive installs? |
| 23:43.01 | smugglerinc | Puppet! |
| 23:43.07 | monokrome | I am using --assume-yes - but it's still coming through. |
| 23:43.17 | drags | well non-interactive just means i'm not running it at an active tty |
| 23:43.20 | monokrome | smugglerinc: This is w/ chef |
| 23:43.26 | drags | maybe try nohup apt-get install postfix & |
| 23:43.36 | smugglerinc | Chef? So many new words! |
| 23:43.42 | monokrome | Is there a command-line to have it assume non-interactive? |
| 23:43.44 | drags | monokrome: does chef fail to install the package? |
| 23:44.11 | monokrome | Postfix wants manual configuration, so it waits for input. |
| 23:44.24 | drags | yeah, look at the apt-get man page for -y // --assume-yes option |
| 23:44.45 | drags | that's.. odd |
| 23:44.47 | monokrome | That's already being used |
| 23:44.49 | drags | that it still comes through |
| 23:45.00 | monokrome | The question isn't a yes or no question |
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| 23:45.12 | monokrome | It's asking if it's for local mail, an internet site, etc. |
| 23:45.54 | drags | yeah I understand it's not a yes/no situation.. the assume-yes just means: |
| 23:45.54 | drags | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:46.18 | monokrome | I know what it does, but it wont do anything in this case. |
| 23:47.00 | drags | right, i'm just tryign to make the distinction between "yes" to questions apt-get poses and the screens your seeing, which are from dpkg configure scripts |
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