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| 00:03.57 | buhman | why is the expert installer so much better than the normal one? |
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| 00:04.40 | gnarface | buhman: because it gives you options experts care about, maybe? |
| 00:04.56 | magic_mage | debain!!! |
| 00:04.59 | magic_mage | oow wee |
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| 00:05.06 | magic_mage | does stallman use debian? |
| 00:05.12 | magic_mage | or the hurd? |
| 00:05.29 | AimHere | He probably uses a distro that doesn't distribute any nonfree software |
| 00:05.57 | buhman | magic_mage: I doubt he actually uses hurd other than for development |
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| 00:06.08 | AimHere | Either that or Windows 7 Home Edition |
| 00:06.11 | AimHere | His guilty secret |
| 00:06.48 | gnarface | magic_mage: well his website still uses debian... that's about all i can tell you for sure |
| 00:07.15 | gnarface | a fucking old ass version too |
| 00:07.16 | gnarface | lol etch |
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| 00:07.54 | gnarface | someone outta tell him to upgrade |
| 00:08.19 | gnarface | and to hire a UI expert... that site is an ugly mess |
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| 00:08.52 | magic_mage | lol |
| 00:08.59 | magic_mage | which site? |
| 00:09.20 | soapie | stallman.org perhaps? |
| 00:09.45 | soapie | Frankly, I think it's somewhat pleasant compared to the obnoxious web 2.0 java/flash shit EVERYwhere that I see everywhere else now |
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| 00:10.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | rms doesn't use hurd, he doesn't see a need to |
| 00:11.51 | magic_mage | hm |
| 00:12.12 | magic_mage | I hate flash and javascriptpopups |
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| 00:14.14 | buhman | soapie: agreed |
| 00:14.14 | buhman | magic_mage: I think we'd be talking about none other than gnu.org |
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| 00:20.36 | dspace | Stallman is a hippie if I've ever seen on :) http://stallman.org/favorite-photos.html |
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| 00:21.31 | soapie | he eats things from between his toes |
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| 00:25.03 | joe6 | my network connections are really slow and I am suspecting that it has something to do with my network card settings. Any suggestions on how I can stort troubleshooting such an issue? |
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| 00:26.55 | magic_mage | gross |
| 00:27.01 | magic_mage | freeeedooom |
| 00:27.09 | magic_mage | stallman should redo linux kernel is lisp |
| 00:27.14 | magic_mage | taht be aweome |
| 00:27.26 | magic_mage | make amd64 lisp machine |
| 00:27.29 | magic_mage | blam!! |
| 00:27.40 | cookiemon5ter | o.0 |
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| 00:28.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | joe6: try mii-tool |
| 00:28.51 | magic_mage | well there is always hope for a forth os with gui and web browser |
| 00:29.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | um, any bsd derivativ? |
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| 00:30.37 | joe6 | Kamping_Kaiser: ok, thanks. |
| 00:31.39 | simonlnu | . o O ( *sigh* cluebies ) |
| 00:31.56 | joe6 | Kamping_Kaiser: does this make sense or look normal? http://sprunge.us/BXNJ |
| 00:32.16 | joe6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | joe6: what sort of data speeds are you getting over it? |
| 00:33.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | using what tool(s)? |
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| 00:33.51 | joe6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.18 | joe6 | Kamping_Kaiser: with "aptitude install linux-source" it is around 50kBps |
| 00:34.23 | joe6 | is that normal? |
| 00:34.51 | joe6 | and with any flash videos on firefox, it takes forever.. |
| 00:34.53 | syockit | syockit: hahahah |
| 00:35.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | joe6: is that network card the modem, or plugged into one? |
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| 00:36.04 | joe6 | Kamping_Kaiser: that is the network card thru a router and then into a comcast modem. |
| 00:36.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | joe6: do you have any other machines you can do tests with? |
| 00:36.54 | joe6 | ok, will find one. |
| 00:36.56 | joe6 | thanks. |
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| 00:45.21 | allan8904 | hi, i have a debian squeeze install with the Nvidia proprietor y driver with adobe flash 10.3 and i'm trying to setup hardware acceleration for flash. I had added OverrideGPUValidation=true to the mms.cfg file but still no dice. any ideas? |
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| 00:56.39 | gnarface | allan8904: popular wisdom based on a statement by someone at adobe some time ago is that there is no hardware acceleration for flash, nor is none possible. if you have documentation to the contrary, please do link it. we would all love to know how to enable this if it was possible. |
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| 00:57.33 | gnarface | allan8904: sorry meant to say no hardware acceleration *in linux* for flash, nor is none possible. at the time i read that statement there was none for any other platform either, but they were working on adding it to the windows builds. |
| 00:57.48 | allan8904 | gnarface: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/systemreqs/#recommended |
| 00:57.50 | gnarface | allan8904: i never even heard if they were successful |
| 00:58.11 | allan8904 | gnarface: i've seen it done on ubuntu, jsut struggling to set it up on debian |
| 00:58.52 | gnarface | allan8904: well let me know how it works out for you. according to that page you linked "Flash Player 10.3 supports hardware-accelerated decoding of H.264 video on Windows and Mac computers with supported hardware and drivers, providing enhanced video performance. For the latest information on supported hardware and drivers, visit the following vendor sites:..." |
| 00:59.28 | gnarface | the part about "windows and mac" computers being listed explicitly in a table above windows, mac and linux system requirements makes support for linux sound ominously impossible |
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| 01:00.31 | Arrick | guys, its been a LONG time since I have used chmod, or changed permissions on a *nix box period.... can someone give me the syntax to make it where a user can read/write/execute a directory? |
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| 01:01.09 | magic_mage | chmod 700 yourscript.bash |
| 01:01.21 | magic_mage | 4 is eexcute 2 write er |
| 01:01.25 | gnarface | magic_mage: that's for a file |
| 01:01.31 | magic_mage | 4 is read 2 write 1 execute |
| 01:01.36 | webad13 | how can I convert csv to sc format in command line? |
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| 01:01.46 | magic_mage | awk |
| 01:01.56 | magic_mage | chmod -r forf dir |
| 01:02.01 | magic_mage | dir is a kind fo fiel oddly enuf |
| 01:02.03 | magic_mage | ;) |
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| 01:03.01 | allan8904 | gnarface: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/2008/05/flash_uses_the_gpu.html |
| 01:03.17 | allan8904 | gnarface: sorry took me a while to find the link |
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| 01:05.17 | DammitJim | silly question... how do you mount a data DVD-ROM? |
| 01:05.26 | DammitJim | I swear this was working before but now it isn't :( |
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| 01:05.56 | brianmwaters | DammitJim: a lot of different ways! do you have GNOME or something else |
| 01:06.03 | DammitJim | e17 |
| 01:06.15 | DammitJim | I'm looking for a command line solution if possible |
| 01:06.20 | robokop | DammitJim: as priviliged user mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/point |
| 01:06.35 | brianmwaters | what about good ole' mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom |
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| 01:06.45 | gnarface | DammitJim: make sure you have udf loaded, and there is a possibility you may have to explicitly specify some other module parameters if they're hiding directories/files (like some of the newer blizzard install disks do) |
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| 01:06.56 | DammitJim | I don't know why I thought this was done automatically :( |
| 01:07.11 | gnarface | DammitJim: on gnome and kde it might be |
| 01:07.20 | brianmwaters | it is done actomatically on systems that have an automounter service running |
| 01:07.37 | brianmwaters | and on those systems it's also done w/o root priveleges |
| 01:07.52 | DammitJim | yeah |
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| 01:07.56 | brianmwaters | there's probably some middle ground where you can do it manually wo/ root privileges too |
| 01:08.06 | DammitJim | that's ok... this will get me through it |
| 01:08.08 | DammitJim | thank yo |
| 01:08.08 | DammitJim | u |
| 01:08.11 | brianmwaters | np |
| 01:08.16 | gnarface | DammitJim: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20882 scroll down to "Mounting DVD problems" and run that command as root, with the udf module loaded. i know this is about starcraft 2 retail, but the same fix applies to *many* recent commercial data dvd roms |
| 01:08.20 | DammitJim | but still... I swear this was working automatically before |
| 01:08.44 | gnarface | DammitJim: you could theoretically add the right line to your fstab and it would basically be automagical |
| 01:09.14 | brianmwaters | gnarface: actually, what fstab options are needed to do that? |
| 01:09.21 | DammitJim | gnarface, does that get automatically mounted every time you put a cd in there? |
| 01:09.39 | gnarface | DammitJim: also, swap out uid=1000 with whatever user id you want to be able to read the disk with |
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| 01:10.30 | DammitJim | 1000 in my case ;) |
| 01:11.09 | gnarface | brianmwaters, DammitJim well as far as i know fstab will only be able to make it mount the cd on boot, but after that if you don't have HID or whatever it is these days (automount package in debian?) managing your optical drive eject/insert events you'll still have to manually mount, unmount, but you'll be able to do it just like mount [dvd drive] and it will happen without all the extra options |
| 01:11.23 | DammitJim | weird... my /etc/fstab says: /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 01:11.50 | gnarface | that looks like it could almost work |
| 01:11.58 | gnarface | unless they have hidden files on the cd |
| 01:12.03 | DammitJim | like I said... I swear this was working before :) |
| 01:12.21 | DammitJim | I do wonder what the difference is between /dev/cdrom and /dev/scd0 |
| 01:12.22 | gnarface | check for the symlink in /dev |
| 01:12.24 | brianmwaters | yeah, i knew that much already. that makes sense that it only acts at boot |
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| 01:13.19 | gnarface | brianmwaters: there IS some cruft you can install into pretty much any (even non-gnome, non-kde systems) that will monitor the eject button on 99% of optical drives and successfully fire the proper mount/unmount command, but i think for it to work on udf, hidden-file dvd roms you still need to tweak your fstab with the right defaults |
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| 01:13.40 | brianmwaters | probably |
| 01:13.44 | DammitJim | wow... and scd0 points to sr0 |
| 01:13.53 | brianmwaters | you can always use gnome components w/o gnome too |
| 01:13.59 | DammitJim | oh and cdrom points to sr0 as well |
| 01:14.12 | brianmwaters | yeah they've got a lot of aliases for cd |
| 01:14.12 | gnarface | DammitJim: no make sure sr0 is actually the drive you think it is :) |
| 01:14.23 | brianmwaters | *for cd's in /dev these days |
| 01:14.32 | DammitJim | it's working |
| 01:14.51 | DammitJim | I'm installing windows 7 in virtualbox... *sigh* |
| 01:15.00 | brianmwaters | lol |
| 01:15.03 | gnarface | eewww |
| 01:15.11 | DammitJim | yes, I finally gave in |
| 01:15.17 | brianmwaters | hey, i'll say |
| 01:15.23 | gnarface | still hasn't quite given up on using wine to run ie9 |
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| 01:15.34 | brianmwaters | i put XP on an extra machine last week to use some commercial programs |
| 01:15.40 | DammitJim | because of the development team doing everything on .nET |
| 01:15.42 | brianmwaters | and i was impressed with windows |
| 01:15.49 | brianmwaters | its pretty nice |
| 01:15.51 | DammitJim | LMAO @ brianmwaters |
| 01:15.54 | brianmwaters | haha |
| 01:16.24 | DammitJim | I just hope this win7 virtual machine has some power to compile stuff |
| 01:16.29 | brianmwaters | well you see, being on linux and mac all these years, i have come to think of windows as the bane of the earth. so when it turned out to be halfway decent, that was striking. thats all |
| 01:16.49 | brianmwaters | wine can run IE9?????!?!?!?! |
| 01:16.51 | DammitJim | brianmwaters, where are you? LOL |
| 01:16.56 | brianmwaters | Vermont, USA |
| 01:17.05 | DammitJim | I wish I could get wine to help me run MS Office |
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| 01:17.46 | DammitJim | cold up in Vermont? |
| 01:17.54 | brianmwaters | no it's not as hell today! |
| 01:18.16 | brianmwaters | i avoided changing my oil, i'm gonna do it like 6 in the morning tomorrow |
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| 01:19.33 | simonlnu | why would it be cold? |
| 01:19.50 | brianmwaters | it would be cold because it is vermont |
| 01:19.54 | DammitJim | I changed the oil in my 2 cars and I learned my lesson... gotta wait longer than 1 hour after driving the car |
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| 01:20.05 | DammitJim | yeah, Vermont is like the north pole |
| 01:20.08 | simonlnu | i'm north of *that* |
| 01:20.15 | simonlnu | hardly.. |
| 01:20.31 | brianmwaters | simonlnu parle vu francais? |
| 01:20.45 | simonlnu | non, pas du tout. toi? |
| 01:20.55 | rypervenche | Is there anyplace I can ask for a package to be built? xfce4-goodies is not available for Wheezy because just 1 package is missing 1 build. |
| 01:20.57 | rypervenche | Moi oui :) |
| 01:21.21 | brianmwaters | not that i do (speak french). nor claim to spell it properly |
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| 01:21.37 | simonlnu | assuming someone speaks french just because they're north of "vermont" is going to get you embarrassed one of these days ;) |
| 01:21.38 | stew | rypervenche: did you check the buildd logs to see why it failed? |
| 01:21.46 | stew | rypervenche: will it work if there was a give-back? |
| 01:22.05 | brianmwaters | i didn't assume! |
| 01:22.24 | brianmwaters | thats why i asked |
| 01:22.32 | simonlnu | j'parle pas francais, non pas du tout. c'est comme la premiere langue que j'ai appris etant un enfant.... ;p |
| 01:22.40 | brianmwaters | yak |
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| 01:22.50 | simonlnu | brianmwaters: just teasing ;) |
| 01:23.24 | brianmwaters | i dont know what you said, ha |
| 01:23.34 | webad13 | how do I display full contents of a cell in sc? - right now number is too large to be displayed in the standard cell... is there a way to expand the cell to fit the number? |
| 01:23.58 | simonlnu | rypervenche does |
| 01:24.07 | cookiemon5ter | where can i get man pages for glibc headers |
| 01:24.19 | stew | cookiemon5ter: manpages-dev |
| 01:24.26 | cookiemon5ter | stew: thanks |
| 01:25.10 | stew | rypervenche: wait, it looks like the last build of xfce4-goodies was all successful |
| 01:25.18 | cookiemon5ter | guess i already had it installed |
| 01:25.38 | cookiemon5ter | was trying man *.h guess i need to leave out the extension |
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| 01:25.58 | rypervenche | Je veux pas trop parler ici en francais: |
| 01:26.24 | rypervenche | stew: It is not available for wheezy |
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| 01:26.58 | rypervenche | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xfce4-goodies |
| 01:26.59 | simonlnu | rypervenche: ne pas etre impoli, bien sur |
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| 01:28.02 | rypervenche | It's 39 days old :( |
| 01:28.21 | stew | rypervenche: yeah, xfce4-netload-plugin holds it out. that's the one you think should be rebuilt? did you check the build logs? |
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| 01:29.02 | rypervenche | stew: That is the one that is stopping it from being released. |
| 01:29.53 | rypervenche | stew: It doesn't need to be rebuilt, it seems it was never built to begin with for kfreebsd |
| 01:29.59 | DiMi_ | anybody knows a way to make pressed installs do not stop to ask keyboard layout using "auto" kernel option? |
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| 01:30.31 | stew | rypervenche: xfce4-netload-plugin needs to be built on kfreebsd before it can move to wheezy. until xfce4-netload-plugin moves to wheezy, xfce4-goodies cannot |
| 01:30.39 | brianmwaters | but while we're on the subject of VM's, perhaps someone can enlighten me. this is a general thing that i've seen on both qemu/kvm and virtualbox with windows guests (have never ran linux as a guest). when doing certain operations, the whole system gets bogged town and the host looses responsiveness, and I can see that the host is totally i/o bound by the blinking hd light. i'm not sure if this is because the guest is doing i/o-intensive operations and t |
| 01:30.41 | brianmwaters | here is overhead associated with a having hard disk image on a filesystems, or if the host is simply running out of memory and thrashing swap. i'm leaning towards option 2 though; i've only got a gig of ram and run my virtual machines with 512 megs, and have noticed that the system does use some swap space during these periods. |
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| 01:31.24 | stew | rypervenche: you can see the build logs here: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=xfce4-netload-plugin |
| 01:31.27 | rypervenche | stew: I know, that's what I'm saying. Is there anyway to ask for someone to build it for kfreebsd? I for one don't know how to do that. |
| 01:31.40 | simonlnu | yeh, definitely #2. i won't run vbox for that reason, not enough ram |
| 01:31.47 | simonlnu | brianmwaters: ^^ |
| 01:32.07 | stew | rypervenche: yes, is the bug that caused the build to fail fixed? if not, its a waste to ask for a rebuild |
| 01:32.08 | simonlnu | brianmwaters: gets esp. bad with some recent but older kernel version |
| 01:32.14 | simonlnu | s |
| 01:32.21 | stew | "os.h:125:28: fatal error: net/ppp_defs.h: No such file or directory" looks to be the problem |
| 01:32.22 | brianmwaters | most recent attempt was on squeeze |
| 01:32.37 | stew | (which could be something indicating it will never build on kfreebsd, i dunno) |
| 01:32.40 | brianmwaters | so you agree it's probably thrashing the swapspace then |
| 01:32.49 | brianmwaters | and i just need more ram |
| 01:32.55 | simonlnu | probably an #ifdef or such would fix that |
| 01:33.06 | gnarface | brianmwaters: or faster harddrives :) |
| 01:33.11 | brianmwaters | ppppsh |
| 01:33.29 | simonlnu | brianmwaters: yup. that too, but more ram would be better for that |
| 01:34.07 | stew | rypervenche: it looks like the maintainer is tracking the problem in #621820 |
| 01:34.18 | brianmwaters | cool |
| 01:34.25 | simonlnu | !dbugs 621820 |
| 01:34.29 | dpkg | #621820:S[kfreebsd-kernel-headers] xfce4-netload-plugin: FTBFS on kfreebsd-*: os.h:125:28: error: net/ppp_defs.h: No such file or directory (); Sat, 09 Apr 2011 04:06:03 UTC [624411] |
| 01:34.36 | brianmwaters | its funny how i sort of realized the problem in the course of writing that long message |
| 01:35.32 | gnarface | brianmwaters: sometimes the correct answer is "all of the above" |
| 01:35.41 | brianmwaters | yes |
| 01:35.47 | simonlnu | yes, that's how i find solutions or remember stuff. ask the question, wait 5-10 minutes and do something else while i'm waiting, and don't think of the issue at all. |
| 01:36.09 | simonlnu | something percolates up eventually ;) |
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| 01:37.40 | brianmwaters | finally, the reason i came into this chat room: |
| 01:37.43 | brianmwaters | i have a package dependency graph that i've perfected and really like. i'd like to be able to transfer it to other systems during or after install, so that i don't have to do it by hand (takes forever). is there any way to do this? |
| 01:39.27 | brianmwaters | basically, i want to take my laptop, and have all the package management stuff be in the same state as on the desktop. |
| 01:39.54 | simonlnu | oh. dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections |
| 01:40.44 | brianmwaters | ok. i'm about to go read that part of the manpage. but will that deal with apt-level stuff, like setting wether a package was automatically or manually installed? |
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| 01:41.13 | stew | brianmwaters: see /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 01:41.25 | brianmwaters | thanks |
| 01:41.49 | brianmwaters | i imagine this is something that debian admins with multiple servers have to do all the time |
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| 01:42.55 | brianmwaters | wow stew that gives perfect directions! where is that writing from? it doesn't sound like a manpage |
| 01:43.26 | stew | dpkg: factinfo aptitude clone |
| 01:43.26 | dpkg | aptitude clone -- last modified at Sun Apr 26 19:14:35 2009 by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 630 times, last by brianmwaters, 1m 28s ago. |
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| 01:43.49 | stew | well its most recently edited by themill, who knows who originally wrote it |
| 01:44.07 | stew | i used to use tasksel for this type of thing, now i'm mostly using puppet |
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| 01:44.50 | gnarface | damn i've been just using tar and manually editing the relevant /etc files |
| 01:44.51 | gnarface | i suck |
| 01:44.55 | gnarface | dpkg rules |
| 01:44.55 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
| 01:45.17 | gnarface | makes a note to self not to take the name of the "rules" in vain |
| 01:45.57 | brianmwaters | stew: i assume there is more similar documentation written down somewhere accessible? |
| 01:46.40 | gnarface | brianmwaters: its possible that dpkg is the one and only source of this type of high-level advanced documentation |
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| 01:48.20 | nevyn | yay's at puppet |
| 01:48.39 | stew | brianmwaters: i would have guessed the debian-reference, but it looks like it is still relying on --get-selections: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html#_recording_and_copying_system_configuration |
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| 01:51.59 | gnarface | nominates the dpkg bot for the developer-of-the-year award |
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| 01:54.12 | escuela | how can i clone a hdd to other, "ddrescue" gives errors... |
| 01:55.13 | omes | escuela: How do i get my computer to work, the power button gives errors... |
| 01:55.16 | omes | what errors? |
| 01:55.24 | gnarface | escuela: if the other is larger than the original (or at least the same size) its really easy, just use dd |
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| 01:56.09 | stew | dd is unlikely to work when ddrescue fails |
| 01:56.13 | gnarface | escuela: i've never heard of ddrescue but with dd it is as easy as: dd if=[original harddrive device node] of=[backup target drive device node] |
| 01:56.16 | escuela | dd seems to hang |
| 01:56.18 | omes | escuela: why are you using dd btw? if you don't know what's wrong then you probably shouldn't be playing with that... |
| 01:56.57 | gnarface | escuela: its possible you're just being impatient. it can take SEVERAL HOURS for a nominally sized harddrive to be replicated this way |
| 01:56.59 | stew | gnarface: ddrescue is dd except it will skip errors in order to try to copy as much as possible from a problematic drive |
| 01:57.00 | escuela | very clever. you are a genius |
| 01:57.21 | brianmwaters | lol @developer of the year |
| 01:57.24 | brianmwaters | i have to go |
| 01:57.26 | escuela | well i got 20 drives |
| 01:57.30 | gnarface | oh my |
| 01:57.30 | brianmwaters | 4 random guests just showed up |
| 01:57.42 | brianmwaters | thanks for the input, i like this room |
| 01:57.47 | omes | escuela: why don't you just copy it over? why are you using dd? |
| 01:58.08 | escuela | who said "dd" i said "ddrescue" |
| 01:58.14 | gnarface | omes: one would presume because there is data on there that is impractical to copy via tar |
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| 01:58.43 | omes | escuela: if you know what dd and ddrescue is you will appreciate the similarites |
| 01:59.02 | omes | gnarface: why would you use tar to copy data? |
| 01:59.16 | gnarface | omes: because its the fastest way |
| 01:59.16 | omes | gnarface: like i said copy (cp) or rsync it |
| 01:59.18 | stew | gnarface: yeah, but he doesn't need anything as fancy as dd or ddrescue or tar, he just needs cp or cat... BUT if he gets errors, knowing what those are is probably what we should be focussing on |
| 01:59.25 | omes | gnarface: tar |
| 01:59.25 | escuela | ok but... wtf it hangs... is there an command to avoid errors? |
| 01:59.27 | omes | fuck |
| 01:59.33 | stew | tar is faster than cp? |
| 01:59.36 | omes | gnarface: tar'ing is almost always not the fastest way |
| 01:59.51 | stew | cp /dev/somewhere /dev/somewhereelse |
| 02:00.00 | omes | escuela: use fsck to check if the disks are damaged... |
| 02:00.18 | escuela | done... |
| 02:00.19 | stew | you are only going to get faster than that if you know enough to choose a better block size than cp does |
| 02:00.25 | omes | stew: he's a troll in «oppositeland» ignore him... |
| 02:00.28 | stew | escuela: what is the error you get |
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| 02:00.59 | shackletom | I have an issue with umask, i set my umask to 002 with the expectation that files I create will have rwxrwxr-- but instead i get rw-rw-r-- |
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| 02:01.21 | escuela | its a 80 Gb hdd, when gets to 77 Gb hangs, no message, just frozen by hours |
| 02:01.32 | omes | shackletom: man umask |
| 02:01.35 | gnarface | still suspects that escuela is merely being impatient and dd will eventually work, assuming its being called correctly |
| 02:02.07 | stew | i still don't think dd will work if ddrescue gets errors |
| 02:02.23 | stew | and I still want to know what those errors are |
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| 02:02.43 | gnarface | stew: didn't we establish that there were no errors, it just hangs silently for an undocumented amount of time? (perhaps only 10 seconds, as far as we know) |
| 02:02.55 | stew | gnarface: no, we didn't |
| 02:02.56 | escuela | ok ok my bad... to impatient.... BUT... is there a command for avoid errors i ddrescue or dd? |
| 02:03.03 | omes | gnarface: if it hangs then something is wrong obviously... |
| 02:03.25 | stew | < escuela> how can i clone a hdd to other, "ddrescue" gives errors... < escuela> dd seems to hang |
| 02:03.31 | stew | escuela: what errors? |
| 02:03.33 | omes | i'm gonna silently retire from this conversation... |
| 02:03.48 | omes | i would get a heart attack from working at customer support.... |
| 02:03.51 | gnarface | omes: what i'm hypothesizing here is that its not in fact hanging, its just a REAAALY slow copy over two IDE drives connected to the same bus |
| 02:03.51 | shackletom | read the umask manual , still dont know what to do |
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| 02:04.22 | gnarface | shackletom: umask just unsets defaults. x is not a default, so normal files will never be created with 'x', just directories |
| 02:04.29 | stew | shackletom: files are going to be created with 666-umask, directory will be 700-umask |
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| 02:04.48 | stew | err directories will be 777-umask rather |
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| 02:05.10 | gnarface | stew: its 755 actually, but thanks for playing |
| 02:05.11 | Arrick | stew was that aimed at me? I lost my connection to here. |
| 02:05.17 | escuela | man, i retire my questions, thanks every one for your time |
| 02:05.23 | stew | gnarface: no, its 777 |
| 02:05.38 | shackletom | how do I set files with the default of x? |
| 02:05.39 | Arrick | 777 is read/write/execute by all correct? |
| 02:05.41 | gnarface | stew: maybe on your windows 95 partition. |
| 02:06.39 | stew | gnarface: try it and see |
| 02:06.51 | gnarface | stew: you're right sorry its 777 directories by default. |
| 02:07.03 | omes | gnarface: orly?? |
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| 02:07.50 | gnarface | omes: well with a default umask of 0022 that will make them actually 755. but if you set your umask to 0000 they will be 777. but that's JUST for directories, files don't get the execute bit by default |
| 02:08.57 | gnarface | shackletom: you probably shouldn't set a global default to have all files executable. that would be very bad for security |
| 02:10.48 | omes | gnarface: you just contradicted yourself again |
| 02:10.54 | shackletom | I just want it for one directory |
| 02:11.06 | stew | shackletom: then use extended acls |
| 02:11.10 | omes | so I'll stick to my original statement of you being a troll. good night. |
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| 02:12.00 | gnarface | omes: i admitted i was wrong, just didn't have "omes:" at the beginning of the line. |
| 02:12.20 | stew | ... lets just move on |
| 02:12.29 | gnarface | acls are probably the right way to go |
| 02:12.40 | gnarface | but he probabaly only needs group writable for a shared group |
| 02:12.51 | gnarface | you can do that with just sgid right? |
| 02:13.03 | gnarface | if its just for one directory |
| 02:13.05 | gnarface | chmod g+s |
| 02:13.10 | stew | no, that just makes ownership inherited, not permissions |
| 02:13.12 | gnarface | then put all the users in a common group |
| 02:13.24 | gnarface | oh you'd still have to change all their umasks individually to 0002 |
| 02:13.26 | gnarface | yea |
| 02:13.29 | gnarface | that could be annoying |
| 02:13.40 | gnarface | but for only a couple users... wouldn't it be less annoying than acl's? |
| 02:13.46 | gnarface | don't you need filesystem support for acl? |
| 02:13.52 | gnarface | fuck don't you even need selinux? |
| 02:14.02 | gnarface | i'm not sure how that stuff all works.... its kinda bolted on to the side |
| 02:15.04 | stew | yes, you have to have filesystem support for acls, and you have to have your filesystem mounted with the acl option |
| 02:16.24 | gnarface | my point is just that you can do without acls and just use the sgid bit in most practical use cases if you just have all your developers in the same group and can trust them to set an appropriate umask |
| 02:16.57 | stew | which fails his criteria. "I just want it for one directory" |
| 02:17.11 | gnarface | you can do that |
| 02:17.15 | gnarface | sgid on the one directory |
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| 02:17.21 | gnarface | (and all its subdirectories, i assume) |
| 02:17.22 | stew | and umask? |
| 02:17.26 | Arrick | how does one change the default directory for an ftp user? |
| 02:17.31 | Arrick | using vsftpd |
| 02:17.31 | stew | and setting execute bit? |
| 02:17.59 | gnarface | stew: umask will fix the execute bit problem. yes, that is per user, not per directory |
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| 02:18.10 | gnarface | stew: but its likely to be inconsequential |
| 02:18.21 | stew | gnarface: no, it won't fix the execute bit problem |
| 02:18.39 | gnarface | oh the "normal files default to execute" |
| 02:18.46 | gnarface | yea it won't fix that but i tossed that out as insane |
| 02:19.02 | stew | oh, nevermind then |
| 02:19.12 | gnarface | my solution would allow users to independently add execute to appropriate files. |
| 02:19.54 | gnarface | using selinux and/or acl's to effectively chmod -R 777 everything isn't something i'd consider actually more secure than just chmod -R 777 everything |
| 02:20.38 | stew | well thank goodness nobody is trying to make things 777 anyway |
| 02:20.54 | stew | but perhaps you are talking about a different problem again |
| 02:21.30 | gnarface | well i'm speaking in hyperbole since he did say 774 |
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| 02:21.58 | gnarface | but this is a potentially HUGE security hole |
| 02:22.05 | gnarface | you don't want random jpeg files executable |
| 02:22.11 | gnarface | those things carry diseases |
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| 02:25.30 | gnarface | shackletom: tell us a bit about the reason why you want more relaxed permissions than the default. maybe then we can advise you on how to grant them with a minimum of insecurity |
| 02:26.37 | gnarface | shackletom: all my advice that is counter to stew's and omes's is based on an assumed purpose... theirs is just based on giving you enough rope to hang yourself with |
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| 02:33.13 | SJr | I have a tower that has stopped responding |
| 02:33.23 | SJr | the network activity light is flashing but tcpdump on the other end shows nothing |
| 02:33.33 | SJr | there was no monitor connected, and so I don't know how to wake it |
| 02:33.36 | SJr | if it is still alive with a keyboard |
| 02:33.39 | SJr | anyone have any ideas |
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| 02:34.45 | jonesst1 | connect a monitor |
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| 02:36.25 | SJr | yeah but normally even if it's alive it won't actually 'realize' |
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| 02:37.14 | somiaj | when deciding the swap size partition on a laptop should it be big enough to hold all the memory to hibernate the laptop? |
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| 02:45.26 | peterrooney_ | somiaj: I seem to recall that the hibernation image is a separate file from swap |
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| 02:46.09 | gnarface | peterrooney_: i recall the opposite, but i'm not sure either. |
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| 02:47.05 | somiaj | peterrooney_: alrighty, I have seen conflicting info in google and this is my first laptop |
| 02:47.17 | gnarface | peterrooney_, somiaj turns out you need swap, but you can use a swap-file instead of a swap partition: http://superuser.com/questions/21020/can-i-hibernate-linux-without-a-swap-partition |
| 02:47.30 | john_rambo | Hi, I wan ti install thunderbird but >>>> http://pastebin.com/8LxNGByu |
| 02:47.35 | john_rambo | to* |
| 02:47.52 | gnarface | john_rambo: on debian its called icedove |
| 02:48.10 | john_rambo | gnarface, Oh ...trying that |
| 02:48.25 | gnarface | john_rambo: just 'icedove' not 'mozilla-icedove' |
| 02:48.36 | somiaj | looks like there are two levels, Suspend, is a state3 level and everything stays in ram so a little power is still used to keep the ram in its state |
| 02:48.43 | dvs | john_rambo: You can use "aptitude search <package-name>" to find possible candidate packages |
| 02:48.51 | somiaj | and hibernate can go powerless because it puts the whole ram onto the swap partition.... |
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| 02:50.35 | john_rambo | gnarface, dvs Installing .....Thanks |
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| 02:55.37 | SJr | Computer stopped responding this morning about 10 am, there is no comment in /var/log/messages, syslog, or kern.log. The computer was on when I got here, network light flashing, but no USB |
| 02:56.50 | jonesst1 | so u have a ssh session? |
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| 03:08.28 | SJr | no jones I rebooted it |
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| 03:09.20 | ex-parrot | <rant>whose idea was is it to change backports.org to backports.debian.org without leaving the old address functional?</rant> I have so many machines I've forgotten to change over :/ |
| 03:10.09 | peterrooney_ | ex-parrot: You can blame me. I didn't do it, but you can blame me. |
| 03:10.10 | stew | ex-parrot: it was left functional for many the better part of a year |
| 03:10.27 | ex-parrot | stew: in that case I probably just missed the announcement. I rescind my rant. |
| 03:10.50 | ex-parrot | peterrooney_: how could you? 8^) |
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| 03:13.01 | stew | ex-parrot: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/msg00012.html here's the announcement, from september. lists.debian.org/debian-announce is a good list to subscribe to for this kind of thing, its only a dozen or so messages a year |
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| 03:13.33 | ex-parrot | yeah stew, just found it and subscribed. thanks :) |
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| 03:29.33 | syockit | I can attach to existing tmux instance, but can I have one tmux viewing different window? |
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| 03:34.03 | joulez | hi, how to install acroread? |
| 03:34.53 | stew | joulez: do you really need specifically acroread? or do you just need some pdf reader? |
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| 03:42.46 | joulez | stew: needs to be acroread (forms) |
| 03:42.56 | joulez | i get this error --> Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/non-free/a/adobereader-enu/acroread_9.4.1-0.1_amd64.deb Hash Sum mismatch |
| 03:45.01 | syockit | is arithmetic part of posix shell? |
| 03:46.08 | gnarface | joulez: from what i recall, the official acroread installer (which is not supported here) can be installed to a directory in your user's home directory with no bizarre external package dependencies. if you really really need acroread and xpdf isn't sufficient, just grab it from their site and install it to ~/acroread or ~/bin or ~/bin/acroread or something like that, is my advice |
| 03:46.49 | joulez | hmm ok |
| 03:46.57 | gnarface | syockit: not sure what you mean exactly, but the bash shell can do arithmetic just fine as long as you don't need decimal places |
| 03:48.31 | stew | syockit: $((arithmetic)) is part of posix |
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| 03:49.17 | stew | syockit: if you aren't sure about something like that, you should be able to test with posh |
| 03:49.25 | gnarface | stew: but echo $((5/2)); returns "2" so... "arithmetic" needs to be defined contextually in more fine terms |
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| 03:49.47 | stew | does it? |
| 03:50.16 | gnarface | stew: well in the current version of bash in debian sid and earlier, yes. i imagine in all versions of bash but i might be wrong about that |
| 03:50.30 | stew | i mean, of course it returns 2 |
| 03:50.37 | stew | and we aren't talking about bash, obviously |
| 03:50.48 | gnarface | stew: at least with bash all math is integer only inputs, and all outputs are rounded (truncated?) to integers |
| 03:50.48 | stew | gnarface: here is the definition if you are curious: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/xcu_chap02.html#tag_02_06_04 |
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| 03:51.29 | joulez | gnarface: i need the amd64 version which i can't find. |
| 03:51.31 | gnarface | stew: so "aritmatic" doesn't in fact contextually infer to decimal math? good to know |
| 03:51.37 | stew | what? |
| 03:51.41 | stew | see the url |
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| 03:52.44 | gnarface | stew: are you referring to the part that says "The shell may use a real-floating type instead of signed long as long..." ? |
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| 03:53.39 | hydromet | hi, is there anyone here who's familiar with debuild and making .deb files from source packages? |
| 03:53.49 | stew | hydromet: sure, just ask your real question |
| 03:53.50 | gnarface | joulez: how come? a proper amd64 debian install should not have problems running most 32-bit binaries as long as you have the various 32-bit compat libraries installed |
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| 03:55.02 | hydromet | stew: thanks -- I am trying to make a .deb binary file from the source package already put together by another maintainer, like this: |
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| 03:55.05 | hydromet | $ debuild -B -us -uc |
| 03:55.26 | hydromet | I have the debian directory and the .dsc file as well as the orig |
| 03:55.45 | hydromet | in the output I end up with this error: |
| 03:56.02 | hydromet | make[1]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 03:56.27 | stew | hydromet: are you running it in the source directory? or one directory above? it will be looking for ./debian/rules |
| 03:56.38 | hydromet | do I need to copy the Makefile from the original source into the parent directory? |
| 03:56.54 | hydromet | I'm running it from the parent directory |
| 03:57.12 | hydromet | (one level above /debian and above the original source directory), same level where the .dsc file lives |
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| 03:59.05 | stew | hydromet: you want to cd packagename-version before you run debuild |
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| 03:59.32 | stew | hydromet: its looking for ./debian/rules, not ./$packagedir/debian/rules |
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| 04:02.49 | hydromet | stew: thank you -- the source files I have are xl2tpd_1.2.8+dfsg-1.debian.tar.gz, xl2tpd_1.2.8+dfsg-1.dsc, and xl2tpd_1.2.8+dfsg.orig.tar.gz and I have all three of these files in a directory named ~/Desktop/xl2tpd ... should I rename this to ~/Desktop/xl2tpd_1.2.8+dfsg-1? |
| 04:04.17 | stew | hydromet: no, you'd do "cd ~/Desktop/xl2tpd ; dpkg-source -x xl2tpd_1.2.8+dfsg-1.dsc ; cd xl2tpd-1.2.8+dfsg ; debuild... |
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| 04:04.35 | shirleyt | yoyoyo |
| 04:05.14 | shirleyt | i'm having issues install a driver for a wireless adapter |
| 04:05.15 | stew | hydromet: dpkg-source -x reads the .dsc and unpacks the source package into a ./$packagename-version directory and applies the debian patches, you want to be in this newly created directory when you run debuild |
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| 04:06.33 | hydromet | stew: thank you for the extra set of instructions -- I was looking at the Debian New Maintainers' Guide chapter 6 < http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html > and I kind of thought I could simply do only a debuild without having to do anything else |
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| 04:08.17 | bencc | what's the difference between lzma and xz? is one of them more "standard"? |
| 04:08.52 | john_rambo | When I click on the dropbox icon on the systray google chrome opens...instead of thye file manager ....I am using LXDE |
| 04:09.10 | john_rambo | the* |
| 04:09.59 | stew | bencc: xz is intended to replace lzma |
| 04:10.59 | bencc | stew: is it safe to use? |
| 04:11.03 | stew | yes |
| 04:11.20 | bencc | stew: do I need tar with it for permissions and multiple files? |
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| 04:12.50 | stew | bencc: yes. it works like gzip or bzip2 in that it compresses single files only |
| 04:13.26 | bencc | stew: thanks |
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| 04:16.27 | BugDave | having an issue with "libc6-xen: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.7-18lenny6) but 2.7-18lenny7 is to be installed" |
| 04:16.35 | BugDave | and apt-get -f install isn't working :-/ |
| 04:16.44 | BugDave | any ideas? |
| 04:17.37 | stew | BugDave: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6-xen libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 04:18.19 | stew | BugDave: it looks like for some reason you are trying to install an older version of libc6-xen which isn't compatible with your more current version of libc6 |
| 04:18.20 | BugDave | http://pastebin.com/tDRR2JZe |
| 04:18.36 | BugDave | stew, yikes hth did that happen? |
| 04:18.47 | BugDave | i wonder if my webmin install somehow did that :-/ |
| 04:19.01 | stew | BugDave: what happens if you run "aptitude install libc6-xen" ? |
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| 04:20.19 | BugDave | stew: http://pastebin.com/qJj4aDzX |
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| 04:22.34 | stew | BugDave: so my guess is that you have local modifications to libc6-xen.conf so, you aren't getting the maintainers version of this conffile, and your local version is now buggy |
| 04:22.40 | stew | BugDave: (but we got past your first problem) |
| 04:23.03 | BugDave | ok |
| 04:23.11 | BugDave | thanks |
| 04:23.26 | BugDave | hrm...i did some further reading and it seems webmin doesn't support Lenny |
| 04:23.36 | stew | BugDave: to verify this, compare the md5sum from "dpkg -s libc6-xen | fgrep libc6-xen.conf" do "md5sum /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc6-xen.conf" |
| 04:23.45 | stew | ^do^to |
| 04:23.58 | stew | if they are different, consider reinstalling libc6-xen with confnew: /msg dpkg confnew |
| 04:24.16 | stew | (depending on if you know what is changed in libc6-xen.conf and why) |
| 04:24.41 | BugDave | hrm md5's match |
| 04:24.50 | stew | hmm |
| 04:25.03 | BugDave | want me to pastebin the output? |
| 04:25.25 | stew | if you are just going to show me two matching md5sums, dont bother :) |
| 04:25.50 | BugDave | heh |
| 04:26.10 | BugDave | stew: i'm really thinking it was when my friend installed webmin and tried updating the system through it |
| 04:26.26 | BugDave | cause after i did some investigating i think webmin only supports Sarge :-/ |
| 04:26.33 | stew | friends don't install webmin for friends |
| 04:26.41 | stew | "supports" |
| 04:26.50 | stew | webmin has a reputation for not understanding debian |
| 04:27.28 | BugDave | stew: i effing hate webmin |
| 04:27.38 | BugDave | but my friend is so used to cpanel |
| 04:27.57 | BugDave | and needs something for the interim until he gets a better understanding of ssh/sftp |
| 04:28.16 | BugDave | stew: how can i clean the system of webmin? |
| 04:28.23 | BugDave | maybe that would solve this issue? |
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| 04:31.00 | stew | BugDave: what does "grep hwcap /etc/ld.so.conf /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*" return? |
| 04:31.51 | BugDave | stew: http://pastebin.com/cWJ580Fi |
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| 04:33.00 | gnarface | webmin needs to die a quick and painless but dishonorable death |
| 04:33.31 | stew | BugDave: ah, so perhaps its the ld.so.conf md5sum we should be comparing from dpkg -s libc6 |
| 04:34.06 | stew | oh, hmm, ld.so.conf isn't a conffile |
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| 04:36.07 | stew | BugDave: i'd recommend backing up your ld.so.conf and replacing it with a single line "include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf" |
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| 04:36.33 | stew | BugDave: then try "dpkg --configure -a" and see if libc6 configures properly this time |
| 04:36.45 | BugDave | stew: where is ld.so.conf located? |
| 04:36.49 | stew | BugDave: in /etc |
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| 04:37.11 | stew | BugDave: i don't believe this is webmin related. I'd guess this is a bug from an older non-stable version of libc6-xen |
| 04:37.27 | BugDave | strange |
| 04:37.41 | BugDave | if that's true then this webhost i am using is garbage |
| 04:37.49 | BugDave | cause it's a fresh install |
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| 04:38.50 | stew | well a fresh install should be squeeze not lenny these days :) |
| 04:39.10 | stew | but if you look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst, you should be able to see that ld.so.conf on a fresh install should be nothing other than the line I'm talking about |
| 04:39.50 | stew | i'm guessing that libc6-xen was previously cheating and modifying ld.so.conf before ld.so.conf.d existed |
| 04:41.55 | BugDave | ah |
| 04:42.09 | BugDave | stew: i really appreciate the help |
| 04:42.30 | syockit | what would you recommend to use for downloading and reading mailing list archives? |
| 04:42.31 | BugDave | stew: bare with me please i'm still working on the file |
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| 04:43.38 | syockit | should I start with mutt? |
| 04:44.18 | BugDave | stew: i think that worked http://pastebin.com/2YJaC0bR |
| 04:44.33 | stew | BugDave: yes. looks good |
| 04:44.58 | BugDave | stew: now how to rid my system of the webmin and everything it installed? |
| 04:45.33 | BugDave | stew: i'm thinking i'll do this method instead of just adding the webmin sarge source http://library.linode.com/web-applications/control-panels/webmin/debian-5-lenny |
| 04:45.44 | stew | BugDave: no idea |
| 04:45.49 | BugDave | stew: damn |
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| 04:48.41 | BugDave | stew: so now to install mysql would i just do apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client ? |
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| 04:48.58 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 04:49.38 | Pascalcmoi | hi, I uninstall and purge bitlbee, now i reinstall it but no /etc/bitlbee directory |
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| 04:51.20 | stew | Pascalcmoi: purging should really work. you could also use: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 04:52.01 | Pascalcmoi | stew: thanks! |
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| 04:54.41 | Lancelot | What's a good filesystem to use for a drive for use on both windows and linux. I've heard that exFAT is sketchy in linux. How does btrfs work in windows, or should I just use NTFS? |
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| 04:55.11 | somiaj | with fues + ntfs-3g, you can get ntfs support in linux |
| 04:55.33 | somiaj | I have seen ext2 drivers for windows, not sure if I've seen 3/4 though |
| 04:55.58 | karlpinc_ | Lancelot: No telling. There's a ext3 driver for Windows. Things just work in Linux, you probably want to ask in #windows (or wherever that is). |
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| 04:57.13 | somiaj | Lancelot: vfat is just a terible file system for large disks. |
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| 04:57.20 | Lancelot | hmm |
| 04:57.46 | Lancelot | I'll ask them about btrfs in windows |
| 04:58.04 | somiaj | Lancelot: I'd suggest ntfs just because if you use multiple machines, it will be easier for ntfs support in linux than the other way around |
| 04:58.20 | Lancelot | I guess that makes sense |
| 04:58.32 | karlpinc_ | Lancelot: What are you trying to do? Why not just use samba or some such? |
| 04:58.42 | Lancelot | because it's an external hard drive |
| 04:58.52 | Lancelot | I use it for storing stuff |
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| 05:00.18 | BugDave | stew: thanks again for all the help. |
| 05:00.19 | Lancelot | it's not network attached |
| 05:00.22 | BugDave | hugs stew |
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| 05:01.12 | rypervenche | I don't use Windows anymore, I put ext4 on my externel HDD. For my USB drive I split it into two partitions, one with vfat one with ext4. |
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| 05:10.04 | cheako | http://pastebin.com/EwgMA5NK <--- Yay!!! Some what working, there is still a bit of ordering problem, but I feel it's in XML::Simple. |
| 05:10.17 | cheako | Good nigh, mail me for questions. |
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| 05:18.44 | hydromet | stew: thank you for your help earlier -- you sequence of how to use the tools with debuild worked *perfectly*! I really really appreciate your guidance (its once thing to read through manuals and documents but sometimes easy to get tripped up along the way). You are a guru! |
| 05:19.28 | stew | hydromet: :) happy to help |
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| 05:19.57 | hydromet | stew: have you worked on Debian systems for many years? |
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| 05:21.05 | stew | hydromet: sure. i've been using debian just about exlusively for about 10 years |
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| 05:22.11 | hydromet | stew: that's awesome! I'm coming over from more of a Unix side (Mac OS X - BSD) but am familiarizing myself with Linux via Ubuntu which of course uses Debian packaging |
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| 05:23.17 | erry | ever heard of debian changing directories on its own |
| 05:23.40 | hydromet | stew: what do you think about gentoo and how it compares to Debian or Ubuntu? The reason I ask is that a friend of mine suggest I also try it out since I can compile it on the bare metal of my hardware (a Mac Pro tower 8-core) |
| 05:24.48 | stew | hydromet: i know little about it. i have no idea why peopole would want to compile so much stuff, instead of compiling stuff once, and distrubuting the compiled versions instead |
| 05:27.09 | somiaj | gentoo is really nice if you like the USE flags and are very active at updating the software -- but to much hassle for me |
| 05:27.35 | stew | the USE flags make it so I can make my software do less stuff? |
| 05:27.52 | hydromet | stew: good point -- well, no reason to get into a discussion about gentoo (the thread here is Debian)! But its truly people like you (with your 10+ years) who make a great difference to the community and then what I've learned today can be shared with more people to make their lives better! |
| 05:28.21 | stew | or do I misunderstand what a USE flag is? is there some functionality my debian is missing that I would gain by adding a use flag? |
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| 05:29.00 | hydromet | somiaj thank you also for your input about gentoo -- my friend suggested it would be good to compile it on my Mac Pro because it would then be "optimized" for my hardware. |
| 05:29.37 | hydromet | 64-bit, quad core etc |
| 05:29.50 | stew | hydromet: sure. so when you click on a menu option, it will come up in 190 millisends instead of 195 millisends, and you can not spend that extra 5 milliseconds waiting impatiently |
| 05:30.29 | stew | hydromet: how much of the time, when you computer is slow, is it becuase there are not enough cpu cycles, instead of it actually waiting on disk io or network io |
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| 05:30.32 | stew | ? |
| 05:30.33 | hydromet | stew: what about running something numerically intensive like machine learning processes? |
| 05:30.51 | stew | hydromet: do you do that kind of thing? |
| 05:31.23 | stew | hydromet: if so, compile that one thing for your hardware |
| 05:31.23 | hydromet | stew: I am gradually getting into that kind of thing yes (but not quite yet) |
| 05:32.17 | stew | and when your firend says "your machine will be faster". say "show me the benchmarks" |
| 05:32.33 | hydromet | stew: indeed, he should show me the benchmarks |
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| 05:32.47 | hydromet | I don't have anything against gentoo but it does sound as if updating would be a hassle |
| 05:32.58 | erry | My box is possessed ;; |
| 05:33.09 | hydromet | erry: that sounds scary! |
| 05:33.17 | erry | I'm quite serious |
| 05:33.34 | hydromet | stew: have you ever depossessed a possessed box? |
| 05:33.37 | erry | it started changing directories on its own |
| 05:33.50 | macrobat | what is "it" here |
| 05:33.54 | stew | erry: what does that mean? can you show us a script? |
| 05:34.05 | erry | stew, it started changing directories on its own |
| 05:34.11 | erry | and a file changed its contents to dots |
| 05:34.17 | hydromet | macrobat thats a cool alias, how did you come up with "macrobat"? |
| 05:34.25 | stew | erry: can you show us in a pastebin? |
| 05:34.32 | erry | stew, show you what? |
| 05:34.57 | erry | i didn't see any commands type itself except 'next' and 'exit' but i stopped that and then the directories were changing but no 'cd' |
| 05:35.09 | macrobat | a flash of insight on puns, the lowest form of wit |
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| 05:35.28 | hydromet | macrobat - I thought you might like bats or Batman |
| 05:35.41 | hydromet | macrobat - isn't there a new Batman film being made now? |
| 05:35.41 | stew | erry: how do you know it is changing directories? |
| 05:35.57 | erry | stew, cause you now how it says Arceus:~ ? |
| 05:36.02 | erry | it kept changing between 2 things |
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| 05:36.13 | Fantik | SCREENSAVER 3D http://searchforhuman.com/index-08.html |
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| 05:36.33 | stew | erry: no, i don't know what Arceus is. can you show us? |
| 05:36.38 | erry | stew, my server |
| 05:36.47 | erry | Like computerName:/direc/tory/ |
| 05:36.52 | erry | when you're cd'd to a folder |
| 05:37.14 | macrobat | people can project whatever ideas they like on an disembodied irc nick |
| 05:37.43 | macrobat | erry: you have a strange prompt? |
| 05:38.00 | erry | it's liek Arceus:~# |
| 05:38.05 | erry | now but it kept switching earlier |
| 05:38.07 | erry | on its own |
| 05:38.12 | macrobat | what is the output of: echo $PS1 |
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| 05:38.22 | erry | \h:\w\$ |
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| 05:38.29 | erry | That's not me right? |
| 05:38.30 | erry | xD |
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| 05:39.05 | stew | erry: so you sit there, not typing anything. and the prompt starts changing? |
| 05:39.20 | erry | stew, yes! |
| 05:39.20 | stew | erry: but you cannot paste this somewhere for us to see? or what? |
| 05:39.27 | macrobat | \u is supposed to be the user |
| 05:39.32 | erry | stew, no i can't it was the prompt changing i couldn't copy it |
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| 05:40.13 | erry | I'm serious though |
| 05:40.19 | stew | erry: what shell is this? |
| 05:40.23 | erry | stew, bash? |
| 05:40.30 | stew | ok? |
| 05:40.31 | macrobat | echo $SHELL |
| 05:40.37 | erry | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.00 | erry | I'm on I think lenny or the one after lenny |
| 05:41.04 | stew | erry: this happens consistently? |
| 05:41.08 | erry | stew, no, just todya |
| 05:41.11 | erry | it stopped now but it was wtf |
| 05:41.30 | karlpinc_ | (Sounds like a jolly good screensaver to me.) |
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| 05:42.38 | erry | ;-; |
| 05:43.31 | macrobat | someone ssh:ed in? :D |
| 05:43.53 | erry | macrobat, not from what i can see in 'last' |
| 05:44.22 | erry | where can i see latest su/sudo's |
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| 05:48.54 | somiaj | erry: they are loged in /var/log/ -- forget whichone |
| 05:49.05 | erry | somiaj, /var/log/auth ? |
| 05:49.15 | erry | i looked there and i don't see anything weird |
| 05:50.24 | somiaj | well it says when people get authenticated by sudo -- didn't see the rest of your problem |
| 05:51.30 | erry | Doesnt seem like someone hacked i n |
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| 05:52.46 | dspace | Anyone know how I can find the largest packages installed on a system? |
| 05:53.46 | macrobat | dspace: dpigs is part of the debian-goodies pkg |
| 05:53.54 | macrobat | debpigs |
| 05:54.45 | rypervenche | Why is it that when I click on a link in weechat and icedove, it opens iceweasel, but everywhere else it opens Chromium? (like I want) how can I get weechat and icedove to work properly? (Debian Wheezy with Xfce4) |
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| 05:55.00 | macrobat | rypervenche: what terminal? |
| 05:55.10 | rypervenche | macrobat: xfce4-terminal |
| 05:56.36 | erry | is there some exploit for debian |
| 05:57.42 | macrobat | i think the terminal does that. anyway, i confed urxvt in ~/.Xdefaults to open links in conkeror |
| 05:57.47 | gnarface | erry: maybe they guessed your password? |
| 05:58.41 | macrobat | maybe the manpage for the terminal mentions it if there isn't some weechat plugin that handles urls |
| 05:58.59 | rypervenche | Ok, I'll take a look. |
| 05:59.01 | erry | gnarface, as i said i didnt see anyone log in |
| 05:59.05 | erry | but me |
| 05:59.21 | erry | i disabled pass login now |
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| 06:01.56 | macrobat | hah, my xfce4-terminal opens links in chrome if i click them but in conkeror if i press enter |
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| 06:02.53 | erry | is it possible to like type into someone else's box if they're logged in |
| 06:02.55 | erry | like in their bash |
| 06:03.15 | macrobat | erry: do you have sshd running? |
| 06:03.20 | erry | yea |
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| 06:04.23 | macrobat | a key pair and a passphrase is more secure, i think |
| 06:04.33 | erry | i disabled passwords now |
| 06:05.17 | macrobat | does the auth log say anything? |
| 06:05.35 | erry | macrobat, nothing out of the ordinary there |
| 06:05.48 | erry | I literally saw text typing itself |
| 06:06.15 | erry | a file of mine changed itself to dots |
| 06:06.27 | erry | i'm starting to lose it |
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| 06:23.59 | debus1 | hi |
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| 06:44.12 | john_rambo | On my previous distro I use to use the following preload http://pastebin.com/6fy7GAEU |
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| 06:44.29 | john_rambo | to make my pc cam work |
| 06:44.42 | john_rambo | with skype & pidgin |
| 06:45.19 | john_rambo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:46.30 | gnarface | john_rambo: /usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so did you check that path to make sure that file is actually there? |
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| 06:47.00 | john_rambo | gnarface, Doing that now ..... |
| 06:47.50 | john_rambo | gnarface, Yes it is there |
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| 06:48.35 | gnarface | john_rambo: sorry no idea then |
| 06:48.45 | john_rambo | gnarface, Okay |
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| 06:49.16 | gnarface | john_rambo: fyi skype is not part of debian, so its not supported here, however its worth testing your camera with some other common apps that are, first |
| 06:49.31 | gnarface | john_rambo: i'd recommend ffmpeg and vlc amongst others |
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| 06:49.59 | john_rambo | gnarface, What about cheese? |
| 06:50.06 | gnarface | john_rambo: you might find that the solution for general purpose use of your camera on any app will fix your current issues with skype as well |
| 06:50.29 | gnarface | john_rambo: cheese? if you mean the food, i vote for extra sharp white vermont cheddar. if you mean the software... never heard of it. |
| 06:50.44 | brianmwaters | hi channel |
| 06:50.52 | brianmwaters | gnarface is still here!!!! |
| 06:50.56 | brianmwaters | ssweeet |
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| 06:51.04 | gnarface | i'm always here |
| 06:51.10 | john_rambo | gnarface, lol no that a app that lets you record from your cam ...both still & video |
| 06:51.11 | gnarface | just not always conscious |
| 06:52.14 | gnarface | john_rambo: i'd try a few. if some work and others don't that will tell you something important, and if they all fail that could still do so as well |
| 06:53.13 | gnarface | john_rambo: it was also my impression that v4l1 was deprecated in favor of v4l2... does the latest version of skype happen to work for you without any LD_PRELOAD at all? |
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| 06:53.53 | john_rambo | gnarface, No....I tried that ....I mean without the preload ..its not working |
| 06:54.45 | brianmwaters | little known |
| 06:54.50 | brianmwaters | arg |
| 06:54.54 | brianmwaters | *little known fact |
| 06:55.29 | brianmwaters | despite being in this room, i just switched out my debian squeeze box for ubuntu 11.04 |
| 06:56.05 | ompaul | !tell brianmwaters about ubuntu |
| 06:56.15 | brianmwaters | do tell |
| 06:56.26 | ompaul | see the message from the bo |
| 06:56.28 | ompaul | bot |
| 06:56.43 | brianmwaters | what message is that |
| 06:56.56 | ompaul | the one that says how this is not a place for ubuntu support |
| 06:57.20 | brianmwaters | not gonna use it for that |
| 06:57.30 | john_rambo | gnarface, Yes cheese is working .....but thats bad news in a way |
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| 06:58.05 | ompaul | brianmwaters: so we have 10 lines of worthless text in that case ;-) |
| 06:58.23 | ompaul | valuing text since 1993 |
| 06:58.23 | john_rambo | gnarface, Coz ....there is no free support for skype ....& as you said no support for skype is provided here |
| 06:58.59 | brianmwaters | ompaul: is this a no-bs room |
| 06:59.15 | brianmwaters | that's a good thing |
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| 07:01.17 | gnarface | john_rambo: you starting to see a pattern? i know you are, and i'm proud of you for that. i'm wondering if you'll be able to come to the correct conclusion about skype in this case. |
| 07:02.36 | john_rambo | gnarface, I can remove skype anytime ......but all those contacts |
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| 07:03.34 | brianmwaters | you realize the most important feature of any app used for contacting people.... is the people on the other end |
| 07:03.55 | brianmwaters | i have one friend who uses skype and i keep it running all the time |
| 07:04.22 | gnarface | yes yes, you can stop any time |
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| 07:04.34 | gnarface | you don't need it, it doesn't control you |
| 07:04.46 | gnarface | patronizes |
| 07:04.51 | john_rambo | brianmwaters, gnarface Is there a debian offtopic channel ? |
| 07:05.06 | gnarface | #debian-offtopic |
| 07:05.37 | gnarface | my advice to you is to tell your friends to try ekiga (though i havn't tried it either... i just use vlc over ssh tunnels) |
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| 07:06.19 | john_rambo | gnarface wht dont you use Gtalk? with pidgin ? |
| 07:07.03 | john_rambo | gnarface, I dont use it coz I cant get video to worl |
| 07:07.11 | john_rambo | work* |
| 07:07.47 | gnarface | i've used gtalk with pidgin |
| 07:07.51 | gnarface | just for text though |
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| 07:08.21 | gnarface | i've used gtalk's web plugin for voice... seems to work well. as far as i know you can use a google-provided plugin for video as well using gtalk |
| 07:08.36 | gnarface | that is another good option, but it does confine you to a web browser |
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| 07:09.18 | gnarface | its been a while since i checked into pidgin voice/video chat plugins though. if any don't still suck please let me know |
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| 07:10.57 | f00li5h | where are the ebian keys at now days? |
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| 07:16.13 | dudz_ | whats an ebian key f00li5h ? |
| 07:16.26 | f00li5h | the pgp keys packages are signed with |
| 07:17.09 | dudz_ | i don't think you need those unless the source your using is not known |
| 07:17.17 | daedaluz | totem & vlc work just fine with pulse, but smplayer is mute |
| 07:17.20 | dudz_ | in which case its probably a package you can apt-get from the source |
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| 07:20.58 | gnarface | daedaluz: the mplayer man page says you can pass -ao pulse but my advice to you is to ditch pulse and get alsa working right |
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| 07:27.08 | daedaluz | gnarface: well mplayer.conf is configured to use pulse by default |
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| 08:02.04 | nkuttler | do source packages containt a description of the patches somewhere? |
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| 08:05.07 | wilthril | hi all |
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| 08:13.06 | somiaj | nkuttler: the patches are all contained in a dir called patches/ and usually have desciprtive names |
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| 08:20.17 | webad_13 | when I try to undo with u in sc it tells me unknown command u....???? any ideas |
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| 08:24.33 | boudiccas | webad13; please repharse your question in english as i havent a clue as to what you're on about |
| 08:24.41 | boudiccas | *rephrase |
| 08:25.25 | wilthril | hi guys |
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| 08:26.33 | webad_13 | boudiccas: :)... in sc spreadsheet, when I try to undo with the command "u" it tells me that "no such command (u)" |
| 08:26.44 | webad_13 | and it should be the shortcut for undo |
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| 08:27.28 | boudiccas | webad13; try CTRL +z |
| 08:28.02 | webad_13 | boudiccas: that sends process to background...??? |
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| 08:29.09 | ben42 | how do i call ssh forcing the update of the key (knowing it has changed on the other side) |
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| 08:30.52 | MJBrune | is conky out of repos? |
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| 08:34.51 | MJBrune | anyone? |
| 08:34.59 | fbs | its in contrib |
| 08:35.03 | fbs | afaik |
| 08:35.20 | wilthril | i'm currently on ubuntu, and it's quite unstable, and i'd like to switch to debian: what are the very important things i should know before switching? |
| 08:35.55 | fbs | MJBrune: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/conky-all |
| 08:36.26 | MJBrune | fbs: contrib is that the non-free repo? |
| 08:37.15 | fbs | MJBrune: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html |
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| 08:38.01 | MJBrune | fbs: so how do i add the contrib repo? |
| 08:38.06 | MrFrood | !contrib |
| 08:38.06 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 08:38.14 | fbs | jup |
| 08:39.36 | MJBrune | fbs: doesn't work |
| 08:39.59 | mchou | I compled a .debfrom source (svn) using checkinstall. but now "apt-get upgrade" always complains now because it doesn't relaize that my compiled .deb is a higher version than the repo |
| 08:40.00 | MJBrune | fails to update with it |
| 08:40.16 | mchou | realize* |
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| 08:40.37 | MJBrune | nvm |
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| 08:40.42 | MJBrune | !non-free |
| 08:40.42 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~scontrib'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:40.42 | fbs | :P |
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| 08:40.56 | mchou | I tried messing with /etc/apt/preferences but that didn't help |
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| 08:41.14 | fbs | MJBrune: does it work now? |
| 08:41.46 | mchou | is there some way of telling apt to my version supercedes the version in repo and to make it stop complaining? |
| 08:41.48 | MrFrood | mchou: either use dpkg to hold your self made deb or pay attention to version numbering when using checkinstall |
| 08:42.29 | mchou | MrFrood: hmm? I used dpkg to install the self made deb |
| 08:42.46 | mchou | and the deb does have version numbering |
| 08:43.22 | MrFrood | mchou: dpkg can be used to hold packages (so they are not automatically updated) |
| 08:43.23 | mchou | aptitude says it's got hiher version than repo |
| 08:43.37 | mchou | higher* |
| 08:43.39 | MJBrune | fbs: yes |
| 08:43.45 | MJBrune | fbs: extra space i missed |
| 08:43.57 | MJBrune | irc had returned right before the space |
| 08:44.03 | fbs | :) |
| 08:44.14 | MrFrood | mchou: because you did not pay attention to version numbering when using checkinstall |
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| 08:44.44 | mchou | MrFrood: I'm not sure I understand what you mean |
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| 08:45.02 | mchou | MrFrood: when I used checkinstall there are version #s |
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| 08:45.34 | mchou | aptitude reports the version # on my self made deb |
| 08:45.40 | MJBrune | fbs: any idea where a good .conky config is |
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| 08:46.42 | mchou | MrFrood: what's the syntax for dpkg 'hold' like you suggest? |
| 08:46.48 | fbs | MJBrune: i wrote my own |
| 08:46.52 | fbs | it depends on your needs |
| 08:47.04 | MJBrune | i just want a basic one |
| 08:47.45 | fbs | https://gist.github.com/1001998 |
| 08:47.47 | fbs | is mine atm |
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| 08:48.48 | MrFrood | MJBrune: see 7.12 @ http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 08:49.05 | MrFrood | oops that was for mchou |
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| 08:51.33 | MrFrood | MJBrune: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16707 |
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| 08:51.52 | SyL | is there a way to override the "dpkg --configure -a"? |
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| 08:55.26 | mchou | MrFrood: http://pastebin.com/dDj5qvMb |
| 08:55.40 | mchou | MrFrood: what exactly would I hold? |
| 08:56.04 | mchou | libspeex1 or asterisk or both? |
| 08:56.12 | MrFrood | the package you don't want auto upgraded |
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| 08:56.57 | mchou | MrFrood: asterisk 1.8 > asterisk 1.6.... |
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| 08:57.15 | mchou | why is apt even complaining? |
| 08:57.43 | mchou | I mean libsppex is dependencey of asterisk 1.6. Not of my slf made deb |
| 08:57.48 | mchou | self* |
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| 08:58.01 | mchou | umm, asterisk 1.4 |
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| 08:58.29 | mchou | MrFrood: the whole thing puzzles me |
| 08:58.37 | MrFrood | mchou: it's complaining because the version number of the package created by checkinstall did not refelct that |
| 08:59.06 | mchou | MrFrood: check install made a deb with a version # |
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| 08:59.37 | mchou | MrFrood: so Idon't understand |
| 09:00.37 | mchou | MrFrood: http://pastebin.com/2aYksyX8 |
| 09:00.52 | MrFrood | mchou: what is the full filemane of the package you created? |
| 09:01.41 | mchou | MrFrood: asterisk_1.8.4-1_armel.deb |
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| 09:03.08 | MrFrood | and the one in the repros is "1:1.6.2.9-2" notice something ..? |
| 09:03.41 | mchou | I dunno what "1:" stands for |
| 09:04.22 | MrFrood | hence the pay attention to version numbering when creating the package with checkinstall |
| 09:04.33 | mchou | but 1.8 > 1.6 last I checked :) |
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| 09:05.39 | mchou | MrFrood: so what version number should I pass to checkinstall? |
| 09:05.55 | mchou | "1:1.8.4-1"? |
| 09:06.23 | MrFrood | but 1:1.6 is > than 1.8 as far as apt is concerned - when creating the package you should of altered the auto-detected version numbers |
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| 09:06.56 | iluminator101 | is bash not default in debian? |
| 09:07.04 | MrFrood | mchou: yeah - something along those lines |
| 09:07.17 | travkin | Hello. I'm interested in upgrading to Wheezy, because I need some of new software, but afraid of GNOME3. Is there any information about how soon it will hit Wheezy repositories? |
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| 09:07.48 | MrFrood | iluminator101: on a standard install bash is the default user shell and dash the default sh |
| 09:08.17 | MrFrood | !gnome3 |
| 09:08.17 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 09:08.22 | nkuttler | !tell travkin about hold |
| 09:08.37 | travkin | "wheezy will release with it" |
| 09:08.40 | travkin | ok, thx |
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| 09:09.22 | whitequark | just found this on my squeeze: mount -> http://pastie.org/2002491 wtf is that? |
| 09:09.30 | travkin | nkuttler, hold status will broke some dependencies definitely |
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| 09:10.16 | SammyTheSnake | whitequark: I don't have an answer for you, but "WTF?" seems appropriate :-S |
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| 09:10.45 | iluminator101 | MrFrood, so i write a simple script do i put #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/bash ??? |
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| 09:11.13 | SammyTheSnake | whitequark: according to the mount manual, "commit" is the commit interval for journaled filesystems, though I don't know how you've ended up with lots of "commit=" parameters... |
| 09:11.34 | SammyTheSnake | whitequark: perhaps something is "helpfully" changing the commit interval for you in a not-very-bright way? |
| 09:11.54 | MrFrood | iluminator101: depends how simple - if it uses bash specific stuff then #!/bin/bash otherwise sh is fine |
| 09:12.46 | iluminator101 | i think my wheezy use dash as default how do i find out which one is default |
| 09:12.53 | MrFrood | hates it when people use an sh bang syntax on a script with bash'isims |
| 09:12.53 | whitequark | SammyTheSnake: I wonder why it ever sets commit interval on _a bind mount_? |
| 09:13.12 | SammyTheSnake | whitequark: what's in your fstab for that filesystem? |
| 09:13.16 | SammyTheSnake | whitequark: / mount point |
| 09:13.31 | whitequark | iluminator101: sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash, it will let you choose the default shell |
| 09:13.41 | unicstar | ben42: what is your problem with ssh ? |
| 09:13.52 | nkuttler | travkin: um, that's the whole point.. |
| 09:13.54 | whitequark | SammyTheSnake: nothing strange. /dev/mapper/mannaz-root / ext3 noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 09:14.18 | SammyTheSnake | whitequark: *shrug* |
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| 09:14.56 | MrFrood | !tell iluminator101 about dash |
| 09:15.00 | iluminator101 | whitequark, how do i find out which one i am using write now without changing it |
| 09:15.01 | SammyTheSnake | whitequark: I would guess that "something" has been setting the commit interval and did so by blindly appending a new "commit=" parameter onto the end of the parameters already there, but I've no idea what |
| 09:15.16 | ben42 | unicstar, i just to connect to a server which has changed (and so the key) and i would like to force update or something (avoding removing the key from hnow_hosts) |
| 09:15.20 | whitequark | iluminator101: readlink `which sh` |
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| 09:15.24 | ben42 | by hand |
| 09:15.31 | ben42 | want |
| 09:15.45 | whitequark | SammyTheSnake: same here |
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| 09:17.07 | SammyTheSnake | whitequark: you should be able to just remount it with commit=0 (0 means "default" which is 5 seconds normally) |
| 09:17.30 | SammyTheSnake | whitequark: if that doesn't reset the mount options to something sane, then you might have a partial answer :-P |
| 09:17.58 | SammyTheSnake | is off, I didn't mean to join this room anyway :-D |
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| 09:21.02 | erry | can i find out previous commands issued |
| 09:21.25 | unicstar | ben42: have you used ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no ? |
| 09:22.04 | ben42 | unicstar, nop |
| 09:22.17 | unicstar | it may help ? |
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| 09:22.26 | Pemos | elo |
| 09:22.39 | ben42 | it may |
| 09:22.42 | Pemos | widac mnie? |
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| 09:29.38 | daedaluz_ | I'm wondering... why is WINE so old on Squeeze? 1.0.1? |
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| 09:30.08 | MrFrood | I think the maintainer is MIA |
| 09:30.39 | erry | can i find out previous commands issued |
| 09:30.40 | erry | in a shell |
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| 09:31.45 | daedaluz_ | well maintainer missing is strange, as debianhq provides debs for latest & greatest WINE |
| 09:31.50 | MrFrood | erry: check your shells history file |
| 09:32.01 | erry | .bash_history? |
| 09:32.21 | erry | that has old stuff :/ |
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| 09:51.30 | R|A|K | hi new to debian i need debian etch just because of network shaper |
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| 09:52.35 | digdilem_ | R|A|K, is that a question? |
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| 09:54.27 | R|A|K | lol i need etch but debian site is bit confused me |
| 09:54.46 | R|A|K | digdilem_: ofcourse yes lol |
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| 09:55.13 | MrFrood | !etch |
| 09:55.13 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 09:55.41 | ansgar | R|A|K: It's always a good idea to install unsuzpported software with known security issues. |
| 09:57.49 | R|A|K | Howto install MasterShaper on a 100% fresh installed "debian-40r1-i386-CD-1" With a complete howto install (Bridge setup) + (Install Ntop Network Monitor) + (MUNIN) made by jessdk |
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| 09:58.18 | R|A|K | ^ lol i found this on master shaper wiki |
| 09:58.35 | R|A|K | that's why i want etch |
| 09:58.37 | ansgar | R|A|K: "How to get my system taken over fast" |
| 09:59.04 | R|A|K | :) heheh now i know that what are you saying |
| 09:59.11 | R|A|K | ok |
| 09:59.18 | Naoy | You should try on a supported version of Debian first R|A|K |
| 09:59.31 | erry | x_X |
| 09:59.39 | R|A|K | :) |
| 10:00.17 | R|A|K | but i want to install master shaper on my box |
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| 10:00.43 | Naoy | R|A|K: that's why, try to adapt the How-To to a newer version of Debian |
| 10:00.47 | R|A|K | is any pacakge for it on debian repos ? |
| 10:01.20 | R|A|K | ok lemme download it |
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| 10:06.09 | R|A|K | i have linux as router i have to maintain the bandwidth of users is any softwares are available in repos for my job :) ? |
| 10:06.30 | pekkis1 | does anyone know about localisation, should the following line be localized somehow: Build=2.6.0.v20100225-063 |
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| 10:08.21 | ansgar | R|A|K: tc, or apt-cache search traffic shaping |
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| 10:11.24 | krisfremen | 0. |
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| 10:15.39 | daedaluz_ | !32bit |
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| 10:34.43 | yassine | hi folks |
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| 10:41.27 | unicstar | is there any reason I can not set any port from range 0..1023 to ircd-hybrid ? it only accepts ports above 1024 !? |
| 10:41.49 | nkuttler | unicstar: you're not root? |
| 10:42.05 | unicstar | I am root |
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| 10:42.37 | cusco | but the process is forking off from user root, right? |
| 10:42.49 | cusco | special ports are reserved to root user |
| 10:43.30 | nkuttler | unicstar: or there's already something listening on that port |
| 10:43.34 | cusco | Can't grab 0.0.0.0:1023 with bind : Permission denied |
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| 10:43.40 | unicstar | That can not be the problem , because I am root and a lot of applications can work in that range |
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| 10:43.43 | cusco | but will work as root |
| 10:43.54 | unicstar | no, nothing lisents on those those ports |
| 10:44.17 | unicstar | I mean, I tested 100, 200, 300, ... 900, 1023 and all failed, and 1024 succeeded |
| 10:44.17 | cusco | unicstar: and are you sure the process is running as root? |
| 10:44.48 | cusco | check in ps |
| 10:45.30 | unicstar | I can not say that the process is running as root, see; I am root, and I change the configuration /etc/ircd-hybrid/ircd.conf ; then I ran /etc/init.d/ircd-hybrid restart |
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| 10:46.25 | unicstar | after that I test whether ircd is listening on configured port or not, and I discover not. |
| 10:46.39 | daedaluz_ | how do I use build-deps on tar file on my computer? |
| 10:47.01 | ansgar | daedaluz_: Hmm? |
| 10:47.12 | daedaluz_ | I downloaded the latest wine sources, and need deps |
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| 10:47.18 | nkuttler | daedaluz_: you don't |
| 10:47.26 | daedaluz_ | hurr |
| 10:47.28 | nkuttler | daedaluz_: you can get whatever the debian deps are though |
| 10:47.40 | daedaluz_ | how? |
| 10:47.58 | nkuttler | apt-get build-dep wine ? |
| 10:48.26 | MrFrood | !tell daedaluz_ about build-dep |
| 10:48.29 | daedaluz_ | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 10:48.36 | nkuttler | daedaluz_: however, building from external source isn't recommended |
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| 10:49.37 | ctp | howdy. anyone here knows a fine remote monitoring provider? i'm going on to introduce munin within the next weeks but need some kind of simple monitoring now |
| 10:49.38 | daedaluz_ | I get that error. does it mean I have to put url to wine sources in sources.list? |
| 10:49.51 | nkuttler | daedaluz_: read what the bot told you |
| 10:49.57 | boudiccas | ctp; nagios |
| 10:50.12 | Craig` | hey guys, i've got ps2 homebrew and i'm connecting my ps2 to my machine, basically i'm only wanting to share ~/Games/PS{1,2} with the ps2, what's the best way to go about this? perhaps making an account for the ps2 and then only giving it permissions to read PS{1,2}? help would be appreciated. |
| 10:50.38 | ctp | boudiccas: i'm looking for a service provider not nagios/munin/etc. for local installation |
| 10:51.02 | daedaluz_ | nkuttler: I did and enlightened me as much as man page |
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| 10:51.35 | nkuttler | daedaluz_: you certainly shouldn't build from source |
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| 10:52.10 | daedaluz_ | I just don't understand what it wants me to do add source url to winehq sources in sourceforge? |
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| 10:52.34 | nkuttler | daedaluz_: no, debian source url. see also man sources.list |
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| 10:53.26 | boudiccas | daedaluz; do sudo apt-get install wine and you get all the dependecies as well |
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| 10:55.59 | MrFrood | not for a compile as he will need dev files |
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| 10:56.36 | roger21 | aren't anacron jobs logged ? i can't find them |
| 10:56.37 | MrFrood | daedaluz_: see the message from the bot about build-dep |
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| 10:57.27 | MrFrood | !tell daedaluz_ about ssb |
| 10:58.00 | daedaluz | nkuttler: couldn't I just add path/to/winesrc in /home to sources-list, as in man page? deb file:/home/jason/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 10:59.20 | rokr1 | I have prob with XEN 4.1 in debian squeeze |
| 10:59.29 | rokr1 | I used sid repository |
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| 10:59.45 | rokr1 | the system is less responsive |
| 11:00.05 | MrFrood | rokr1: #debian-next on the oftc server for sid support |
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| 11:00.52 | yassine | anyone used pbzip on an SMP machine? im wondering why its using always one cpu at the time and not all the available cpus parallelly i have started it using pbzip2 -d -p4 my.bz2 |
| 11:01.01 | MrFrood | !tell rokr1 about ssb |
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| 11:01.41 | rokr1 | is that a bot ? MrFrood ? |
| 11:01.51 | MrFrood | yeah |
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| 11:02.07 | rokr1 | bot ? |
| 11:02.21 | MrFrood | rokr1: you should have a message from dpkg |
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| 11:06.18 | Black_Prince | dpkg scared rokrl I think ... |
| 11:06.18 | dpkg | Black_Prince: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 11:06.40 | MrFrood | eek! |
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| 11:09.08 | MrFrood | Black_Prince: how can anyone be scared by the font of all wisdom..? |
| 11:09.53 | Black_Prince | Who knows |
| 11:10.31 | MrFrood | :-/ |
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| 11:42.47 | Lynx__ | i've downloaded the full cd with debian + gnome, i've accidently removed a lot of shit from gnome and it's "broken", is there a way to unistall it completely and install kde without download the kde iso? |
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| 11:43.04 | Lynx__ | i mean, from this machine with a fucked up gnome i want to remove completely gnome and install kde |
| 11:43.17 | stew | Lynx__: /msg dpkg remove gnome ; /msg dpkg install kde |
| 11:43.21 | Lynx__ | (and ofcourse, get rid of all remaining gnome programs) |
| 11:43.27 | Lynx__ | stew: ok |
| 11:44.20 | Lynx__ | whats the difference between purge and remove? |
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| 11:44.48 | stew | Lynx__: purge also removes systemwide config files, just removing leaves the config files in place |
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| 11:45.25 | logi | hi i've a problem with GRUB 0.97 ..GRUB gets loaded but it cannot load the OS |
| 11:45.31 | stew | (i'd guess your probablem probably lies in your user specific config files in $HOME) |
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| 11:45.42 | stew | logi: does it give an error? |
| 11:45.43 | Lynx__ | stew: thank you, if i purge gnome it'd get rid of EVERYTHING from gnome, right? |
| 11:46.23 | stew | Lynx__: it wouldn't get rid of your user settings in ~/.gnome2* |
| 11:46.39 | Lynx__ | np, but what about the applications? |
| 11:46.42 | ack | Hey, last ubuntu upgrade completely broke my system and xserver locks up the whole machine. Is there any way for me to revert last upgrade with apt-get? |
| 11:46.53 | Lynx__ | also, it's better to download kde and then remove gnome, or remove gnome and then install kde? |
| 11:46.57 | Lynx__ | first option i guess. |
| 11:47.01 | stew | ack: wrong channel, you want #ubuntu |
| 11:47.08 | stew | dpkg: remove gnome |
| 11:47.08 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 11:47.22 | stew | Lynx__: yes, that should get rid of everything gnome related |
| 11:47.27 | logi | stew, It says "Gave up waiting for root device ... /dev/sda3 does not exists /bin/sh: can`t access tty: job control turned off" |
| 11:47.46 | ack | stew: I know but they semed to panic-dump on my question ;) |
| 11:47.50 | stew | Lynx__: it doesn't matter which order you remove gnome / install kde |
| 11:48.02 | petrolman | ack, you should use aptitude safe-upgrade instead ;-) |
| 11:48.18 | stew | ack: ##linux or try a ubuntu web forum or ubuntu mailing list then |
| 11:48.30 | Lynx__ | i'm so sad |
| 11:48.51 | Lynx__ | why the f* it keep asking me for insert /media/cdrom if i've installed from the usb stick? |
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| 11:49.07 | Lynx__ | as an example, it's just asking me to do it right now when i tried to install kde with apt-get |
| 11:49.13 | stew | Lynx__: becuase you have it in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:49.17 | Lynx__ | oh |
| 11:49.32 | Lynx__ | nano editing should do the trick? |
| 11:49.40 | stew | logi: we'd recommend moving away from device names like /dev/sda3 to uuids for fstab and grub: /msg dpkg uuid |
| 11:49.49 | stew | Lynx__: yes, which version of debian are you running? |
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| 11:50.03 | Lynx__ | squeeze |
| 11:50.11 | stew | Lynx__: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
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| 11:50.16 | logi | stew, can GRUB 1 handle uuids? |
| 11:50.17 | Lynx__ | should i just commend the line #deb cdrom? |
| 11:50.22 | Lynx__ | comment* |
| 11:50.47 | stew | logi: yes |
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| 11:51.10 | stew | Lynx__: sure, but you need to make sure you have some other main repository |
| 11:51.16 | stew | and security.debian.org |
| 11:51.27 | ack | petrolman: assuming that's a bit late now :\ |
| 11:51.34 | ack | stew: ok, thanks |
| 11:51.39 | Lynx__ | stew: yep, i got it |
| 11:51.42 | Lynx__ | by default |
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| 11:52.47 | Lynx__ | another problem i'm facing on debian which i didnt get on other distros is not being a sudoer |
| 11:52.56 | Lynx__ | how i am supposed to add a user to the sudoer list |
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| 11:53.32 | logi | stew, can i check fstab via GRUB or do i have to boot a live image for that? |
| 11:53.35 | stew | Lynx__: you can edit the sudoers file with 'visudo'. however it should be setup by default so that you can just add a user to the sudo group |
| 11:53.52 | Lynx__ | right |
| 11:54.13 | Lynx__ | also, for some reason after installing my laserjet driver, my wireless network got disabled, what about it? |
| 11:54.16 | stew | logi: i'm not sure |
| 11:54.24 | Lynx__ | not sure if it's debian related, but happened on debian and not on xubuntu |
| 11:54.25 | Lynx__ | >.< |
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| 11:55.25 | SPow | Hi, is there a way to save the current tty session in a file for further parsing ? |
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| 11:57.09 | abrotman | SPow: script |
| 11:57.16 | dawud | SPow: or use screen |
| 11:57.31 | SPow | dawud: I have no X server |
| 11:57.34 | abrotman | SPow: but generally, you have to start that before you begin using your tool |
| 11:57.44 | dawud | SPow: screen doesn't need one |
| 11:57.54 | SPow | oh okay great :) |
| 11:57.58 | abrotman | SPow: read man pages |
| 11:58.06 | SPow | i'll be doing that ty |
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| 11:58.45 | trick | hello all |
| 11:59.06 | trick | i need help to install a wireless usb on debian squeeze |
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| 12:02.00 | dawud | trick: plug it iin while you 'tail -f /var/log/messages' to identify your usb and/or 'lsusb' it afterwards |
| 12:02.13 | abrotman | or ask him .. he might already know? |
| 12:02.25 | abrotman | trick: do you know which chipset that device has? or the model number? |
| 12:02.29 | dawud | abrotman: true... |
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| 12:06.44 | trick | dawud : lsusb |
| 12:06.44 | trick | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0cf3:1006 Atheros Communications, Inc TP-Link TL-WN422G v2 802.11g [Atheros AR9271] |
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| 12:09.58 | superlinux | hi. in wget, how can I tell it not to redownload an already downloaded file? |
| 12:10.05 | trick | dawud: , abrotman ?? |
| 12:10.25 | abrotman | !tell trick about TL-WN422G |
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| 12:11.31 | abrotman | trick: you will likely have to plugin and get the kernel from backports.debian.org |
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| 12:12.22 | trick | my kernel is 2.6.32 i need to update it? |
| 12:12.47 | ElDiabolo_ | Are there unofficial packages for an apache 2.3 ? |
| 12:12.57 | abrotman | trick: according to the <ar9271> factoid, yes .. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 12:13.41 | trick | abrotman: thanks, i'm trying it |
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| 12:17.21 | Lynx__ | i've ran apt-get install kde-full and the mirror got aids at 80%, i've canceled it with ctrl+c and i've added another mirror and i'm downloading it again, would it download another copy of the content ive previous downloaded or it'd just overwrite it? |
| 12:17.31 | Lynx__ | i dont want to have two copies of kde downloaded >_> |
| 12:17.53 | Ikarus | you won't |
| 12:18.07 | Ikarus | it will simply overwrite or continue |
| 12:18.30 | Lynx__ | thanks, it's overwritting cuz its still at 18% |
| 12:18.35 | Lynx__ | and before it was 80%+ |
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| 12:18.39 | Lynx__ | but k |
| 12:18.49 | abrotman | Lynx__: where in the world would you learn to say something like that? |
| 12:19.18 | Lynx__ | abrotman: africa |
| 12:19.27 | stew | wtf |
| 12:19.28 | abrotman | Lynx__: that's not in any way funny, don't do it again |
| 12:19.43 | Lynx__ | abrotman: do a whois on mah ip bro, i'm not kidding |
| 12:19.58 | abrotman | your ISP is from brasil, and it's still not funny |
| 12:20.03 | Lynx__ | there's internet in south africa fyi |
| 12:20.07 | Lynx__ | w.e |
| 12:20.09 | Lynx__ | ik |
| 12:20.20 | Lynx__ | it wasnt supposed to be funny, but w.e |
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| 12:24.25 | Lynx__ | herp derp, this mirror is so slow |
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| 12:27.42 | R|A|K | how can i compile from source ? |
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| 12:29.25 | SPow | abrotman: I tried the script utility but it's buffered (and i'm using this to circumvent another buffer problem hehe ...) |
| 12:29.32 | QaDeS | hiyas. is there something like bastille still around and current? i need to harden a debian 5 system |
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| 12:30.56 | abrotman | R|A|K: aptitude install build-essential is a good start .. what are you trying to compile ? |
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| 12:31.19 | abrotman | !tell QaDeS about securing debian |
| 12:31.39 | LoneShadow | Hi, I am not able to access my samba server across subnets using a windows client, works on local subnet. Can someone point me into how I can debug this issue? |
| 12:32.10 | abrotman | LoneShadow: i didn't think that smb was routable? |
| 12:32.25 | john_rambo | when I do "alltray icedove" from icedove appears in systray but when I create a shell script it launches but cant find it in systray >>>>>>>http://pastebin.com/ndGBkzUR |
| 12:32.30 | QaDeS | thanks, abrotman |
| 12:32.46 | john_rambo | from terminal** |
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| 12:36.55 | ketsa | I have some problems with hibernation on squeeze, the netbook automatically resets when trying to wake up from hibernation. any ideas ? |
| 12:37.56 | LoneShadow | abrotman: I have seen another server handling nfs mounts across subnets, not sure how its working |
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| 12:38.24 | LoneShadow | I looked into thier smb.conf, I dont see anything specific to handle it |
| 12:38.26 | jordanm | ketsa: hibernate problems are usually kernel bugs. try the backports kernel |
| 12:39.15 | ketsa | i'll try, thanks. |
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| 12:39.50 | Lynx__ | i've installed kde and now i am doing a purge on gnome, however during the kde installation i've seen it unpacking some gnome-bla shit, would getting rid of gnome after installing kde remove something from kde itself? |
| 12:39.54 | Lynx__ | :O |
| 12:41.24 | ketsa | backports kernel is labeled "bpo" what does it mean ? |
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| 12:41.32 | thewanderer1 | ketsa: it means 'backports" :D |
| 12:41.33 | ketsa | ah... backports ? |
| 12:41.36 | jordanm | backports.org |
| 12:41.40 | ketsa | hehe thanks |
| 12:42.03 | MrFrood | !tell ketsa about bpo |
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| 12:42.33 | R|A|K | abrotman: http://www.mastershaper.org/index.php/Download |
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| 12:43.25 | babilen | !tell R|A|K about wondershaper |
| 12:43.52 | babilen | R|A|K: Might be worth a look |
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| 12:44.09 | R|A|K | lemme check it wondershaper |
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| 12:44.44 | babilen | R|A|K: tcng / tc might also be worth a look, as well as reading the "lartc" factoid |
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| 12:46.48 | ketsa | unresolvable dependencies trying to install bpo kernel : http://pastebin.com/3ruZf1Fh how can i fix this ? |
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| 12:49.25 | fbs | is there a way to get the keymap back to default |
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| 12:49.40 | fbs | somehow my capslock setup broke. It was mapped to mod1 for a while |
| 12:49.54 | jordanm | ketsa: are you using aptitude? |
| 12:49.54 | fbs | but now its gone |
| 12:50.17 | fbs | the capslock still toggles upper/lower case, but its not in the `lock group` |
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| 12:51.19 | ketsa | jordanm: synaptic, shall I use aptitude ? |
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| 12:53.39 | jordanm | ketsa: yes, it should properly resolve the depends |
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| 12:57.36 | Lynx__ | zomfg, kde is wierd |
| 12:57.48 | dvs | weird too! |
| 12:57.53 | dvs | not |
| 12:57.55 | Lynx__ | wierd* |
| 12:57.56 | Lynx__ | w.e |
| 12:58.04 | Lynx__ | ive used xfce & gnome before |
| 12:58.06 | Lynx__ | its so different |
| 12:58.19 | Lynx__ | looks good, but the gui is a bit hum, eh.. |
| 12:58.29 | Lynx__ | confusing i'd say |
| 13:00.48 | ketsa | bpo kernel installed thanks all. rebooting to test. |
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| 13:05.15 | user_1313 | hello. |
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| 13:05.55 | travkin | Is it possible to get newer Audacious in Debian Squeeze? |
| 13:06.31 | abrotman | you can try to backport it yourself |
| 13:06.33 | john_rambo | is there a separate channel for lxde ? |
| 13:06.36 | abrotman | !tell travkin about ssb |
| 13:06.36 | user_1313 | i have downloaded debian-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-1.iso, tried install but it can't mount sda5 as root / point |
| 13:06.37 | jordanm | ,versions audacious |
| 13:06.37 | judd | Package audacious on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1-4; squeeze: 2.3-2; sid: 2.4.4-1; wheezy: 2.4.4-1 |
| 13:06.43 | dvs | ,versions audacious |
| 13:06.43 | judd | Package audacious on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1-4; squeeze: 2.3-2; sid: 2.4.4-1; wheezy: 2.4.4-1 |
| 13:06.48 | abrotman | john_rambo: perhaps on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:07.04 | user_1313 | i had same problems with ubuntu 10.10, but after using ubuntu alternate it was solved |
| 13:07.09 | travkin | abrotman, thanks, that's what I wanted exactly |
| 13:07.21 | user_1313 | maybe debian also has some alternate distro? |
| 13:07.39 | travkin | abrotman, also, how such installations will affect my setup if I some day will want to upgrade to testing, for example? |
| 13:07.55 | john_rambo | abrotman, No .....I mean like #debian-lxde ?? |
| 13:08.01 | abrotman | travkin: at that point, testing owuld likely have a newer version and overwrite your backport |
| 13:08.06 | abrotman | john_rambo: perhaps on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:08.16 | john_rambo | abrotman, Okay ,,,, |
| 13:08.18 | travkin | abrotman, thanks :) |
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| 13:12.14 | DammitJim | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.14 | DammitJim | <DammitJim> I'm just using: mount -t smbfs -o username=my.user //SKYLINE/Share /mnt/nas |
| 13:12.14 | DammitJim | <DammitJim> but for some reason only root can write to /mnt/nas |
| 13:12.14 | DammitJim | <DammitJim> I can't get regular users to create directories or copy stuff there |
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| 13:13.36 | DammitJim | sorry |
| 13:13.46 | DammitJim | first I use the wrong channel |
| 13:13.58 | DammitJim | then I paste carelessly |
| 13:13.58 | dvs | sends the police to Florida |
| 13:14.21 | DammitJim | so, I'm trying to get a regular user to be able to create a directory on a network mounted drive |
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| 13:14.37 | DammitJim | mount -t cifs -o username=my.user //SKYLINE/Share /mnt/nas |
| 13:14.43 | DammitJim | but I'm getting a permission denied |
| 13:14.57 | DammitJim | I tried chmod or chown /mnt/nas but it doesn't let me |
| 13:16.56 | petrolman | DammitJim, dont you need a password? ... -t cifs (rw,username=your_name,password=your_password,...) ? |
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| 13:17.27 | DammitJim | petrolman, it will prompt me for the password |
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| 13:18.17 | ZykoticK9 | DammitJim, see the rw in petrolman's post - perhaps that is an issue (sorry I don't personally use samba, so i'm no help) |
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| 13:18.49 | DammitJim | I tried using the rw, but since it's in ()'s it's complaining about the syntax |
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| 13:23.52 | petrolman | I use this syntax in /etc/fstab: //ip_address/dir /mnt/netdrive cifs rw,noauto,username=my_username,password=my_password,domain=my_domain,uid=user 0 0 |
| 13:24.02 | DammitJim | is there a reason why a username in debian can't be of the type my.user (have a dot) |
| 13:24.26 | DammitJim | petrolman, what is the uid? |
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| 13:24.45 | streuner_ | !uid |
| 13:24.45 | dpkg | from memory, uid is "User ID". The unique number assigned to a user. See "id(1)" for more information, or "echo ${UID}". |
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| 13:25.13 | DammitJim | petrolman, what user is this, though? |
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| 13:25.56 | DammitJim | thank you, I figured it out :) |
| 13:26.00 | DammitJim | you are the bomb petrolman |
| 13:26.16 | petrolman | :-) |
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| 13:30.02 | mnzl | i wondering it makes sense to use checkinstall, or maybe its better to compiling with --prefix=/opt and then simply remove unnecessary package by simply rm -rf? |
| 13:30.13 | mnzl | what are the pros and cons? |
| 13:30.16 | TheInfinity | hi everyone ... one question ... mercurial does not work here: hg -> abort: couldn't find mercurial libraries in [/usr/bin /usr/lib/python2.6 /usr/lib/python2.6/plat-linux2 /usr/lib/python2.6/lib-tk /usr/lib/python2.6/lib-old /usr/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6] |
| 13:30.24 | TheInfinity | whats the problem here? :) |
| 13:30.55 | MrFrood | !tell TheInfinity about pastebin |
| 13:31.23 | TheInfinity | MrFrood: its just one line, thats why i did not used a pastebin :) |
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| 13:31.58 | MrFrood | damn long line |
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| 13:39.29 | TheInfinity | MrFrood: if it makes somebody happy: http://nopaste.info/df45eea9de.html :) |
| 13:40.17 | MrFrood | :D - still can't help ya though, I have not a clue :-/ |
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| 13:47.09 | abrotman | travkin: you can ask the whole channel, generally faster that way |
| 13:47.36 | abrotman | travkin: did you do the aptitude build-dep ? |
| 13:47.47 | travkin | abrotman, fixed already, thx |
| 13:47.56 | abrotman | ah okay, enjoy |
| 13:47.59 | travkin | now audacious-plugins requires 90 packages from unstable |
| 13:48.01 | travkin | ... |
| 13:48.19 | travkin | by build-dep :P |
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| 14:01.59 | cali | hello, I got an issue with xorg, windows on gnome gets stuck and I cannot do anything but clicking inside this window, impossible to move, resize, drag or click somewhere else, and sometimes it unlocks usually because I can do a left click that displays a menu |
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| 14:08.27 | smellynoser | Hi - Is there an easy way of getting traffic to route out of the same interface it came in on? The only thing I've found so far is this: http://www.liquidcomm.net/siterun_data/news/tech_tips/linux_os/doc6952874871270450319.html |
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| 14:12.58 | Kruptein | hey, if I want my program to be in the applications menu, which section do I need to fill in in my control file? |
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| 14:16.37 | nikolaibo | www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info www.xxxlivecam.info |
| 14:17.46 | cyoz | finally I get linked to a live cam site |
| 14:18.04 | erry | xD |
| 14:18.23 | stew | Kruptein: you create a debian/packagename.menu file which causes debhelper to create the postinst/prerm snippets needed when dh_installmenu is called |
| 14:18.55 | stew | Kruptein: man 5 menufile ; see the menu sub-policy in /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/menu-policy* |
| 14:19.17 | Kruptein | oh god :f that explains a lot :D I was confusing control and .menu xD |
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| 14:20.04 | Kruptein | thanks |
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| 14:22.55 | Araneidae | Can anybody help me with exim4? `sudo mailq` is showing a long list of "frozen" mails that never should have been sent by my system... |
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| 14:25.28 | cali | why do I have to restart Xorg to make it works fine, otherwise the window manager because not responsible |
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| 14:31.35 | MrFrood | cali: if you are to have any hope of an answer you need to be more specific, which version of debian & xorg, which DE/WM what graphics card and which driver are you using for it etc. |
| 14:32.11 | MrFrood | !tell cali about ask |
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| 14:33.11 | emacsenlee | aaaha i just guess cali has a ATI card and new to linux |
| 14:33.19 | Araneidae | MrFrood, any thoughts for me? I'm worried that my system might not be as sound as I thought it was, given what mailq is telling me... |
| 14:33.26 | cali | MrFrood, in facts it affects all versions, I have been trying to change the versions and stuff but it is same |
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| 14:33.31 | cali | emacsenlee, not really new |
| 14:33.50 | cali | emacsenlee, I tried with the integrated card and with an nvidia and it does the same |
| 14:34.10 | emacsenlee | guess 780G or 690G |
| 14:34.21 | cali | basically the window manager freeze, not clickable anymore |
| 14:34.29 | MrFrood | cali: which nvidia drivers? |
| 14:34.38 | cali | I think it is the same problem as this guy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/630118 |
| 14:35.00 | cali | MrFrood, I am back with the intel drivers now as the Nvidia card did not fix the issue |
| 14:35.02 | MrFrood | Araneidae: mail serers not really my thing |
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| 14:35.44 | MrFrood | but exim is used for internal messages - if you have not been checking them I guess they could build up |
| 14:35.59 | cali | for unknown reason when I kill X, gdm restarts it and it works normally. |
| 14:36.17 | cali | the same issue happens with xfce4 |
| 14:36.25 | Araneidae | What's really worrying is all the messages in the mailq, except for one, are spam. That is worrying the hell out of me |
| 14:37.02 | MrFrood | !tell cali about intel-gfx |
| 14:37.03 | Araneidae | How can spam get into my outgoing mail queue, and is that what `mailq` is showing me? |
| 14:38.09 | MrFrood | Araneidae: no idea but you may want to try one of the rootkit sniffers |
| 14:38.30 | cali | MrFrood, yup, this is the package that I'm using. |
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| 14:39.36 | MrFrood | cali: did you see the bit about #intel-gfx on irc.freenode - they may be of more help |
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| 14:40.16 | MrFrood | or try again here later when some intel users may be around |
| 14:40.24 | cali | MrFrood, it is not because of intel, I have tried with an Nvidia cards and the same problem happens. |
| 14:40.26 | Araneidae | Woo: "You have 1 process hidden for ps command" |
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| 14:41.09 | MrFrood | cali: did you try the offical nvidia drivers? |
| 14:41.15 | cali | The only solution that I have found yet is to kill X |
| 14:41.20 | cali | MrFrood, ok I'll do it :) |
| 14:41.28 | MrFrood | cali: what cpu |
| 14:41.47 | tekzilla | i'm not sure if this happened after an update (running sid), but as soon as X comes up my laptops mouse and keyboard are dead |
| 14:41.49 | cali | MrFrood, model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz |
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| 14:42.27 | MrFrood | ok so you are not underpowered - take it you have enough memory |
| 14:42.34 | cali | when I kill X, gdm starts it back, and then it works fine :( |
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| 14:46.34 | MrFrood | cali: have you checked the logs? |
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| 14:48.56 | Araneidae | Oh shit: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59421 |
| 14:49.02 | matthiasgorgens | hi. i am using debootstrap to set up a lenny in a chroot from a 64-bit ubuntu. will my guest debian be 32-bit by default or 64-bit? |
| 14:49.06 | matthiasgorgens | (i want 32-bit.) |
| 14:49.17 | matthiasgorgens | I am following http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap. |
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| 14:51.25 | MrFrood | Araneidae: one word "firewall" |
| 14:51.50 | Araneidae | It's a mail server. That was the way it was compromised |
| 14:51.53 | dvs | matthiasgorgens: I guess it depends on what the arch paramter is set to |
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| 14:52.13 | dvs | in debootstrap |
| 14:52.36 | matthiasgorgens | dvs, basically i am just doing "debootstrap lenny ./lenny-chroot http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian" |
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| 14:53.18 | matthiasgorgens | i guess i'll start it again, and set the arch explicitely. |
| 14:53.25 | luke-jr | my Debian 6 seems to be having severe performance issues with Apache, even for static pages with CPU and IO basically idle⦠any ideas? |
| 14:53.30 | dvs | matthiasgorgens: If you look at the second example, they have an arch parameter |
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| 14:54.50 | R|A|K | r00t is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 14:55.04 | R|A|K | _0 |
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| 14:55.23 | Araneidae | Goddamn it! Was not looking for a reinstall any time soon. |
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| 14:55.32 | matthiasgorgens | yes, found it. |
| 14:55.33 | matthiasgorgens | thanks. |
| 14:55.41 | matthiasgorgens | dvs, thanks! |
| 14:55.46 | dvs | np |
| 14:55.53 | jordanm | luke-jr: you are saying that accessing a static html page via apache is slow? |
| 14:56.08 | Araneidae | Anybody else heard for the xfs3 rootkit, and know of its use and consequences? |
| 14:56.13 | luke-jr | jordanm: yes, often |
| 14:56.22 | luke-jr | jordanm: for example http://eligius.st/~artefact2/ |
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| 14:57.44 | salvin | i tried to burn a dvd dual layer with k3b i got this error at 54%: http://pastebin.com/nGT1PTf9 |
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| 14:58.17 | salvin | the device is capable |
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| 14:58.59 | salvin | may be a firmware bug? |
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| 15:00.24 | jordanm | luke-jr: yep, thats pretty bad |
| 15:00.45 | jordanm | luke-jr: everything from the DNS request to your domain to the initial server response is terrible |
| 15:01.02 | jordanm | luke-jr: your configurations are poor, or your getting ddosed |
| 15:01.11 | jordanm | you're |
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| 15:01.36 | luke-jr | jordanm: my configs are default |
| 15:01.42 | luke-jr | the system is basically idle |
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| 15:02.15 | luke-jr | bandwidth use is well under 100 KB/s |
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| 15:02.25 | tuxcrafter | how can i debug /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90consolekit in debian testing |
| 15:02.46 | tuxcrafter | it seems my /usr/bin/x-session-manager is not run by /usr/bin/ck-launch-session |
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| 15:03.24 | tuxcrafter | /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager |
| 15:03.24 | cali | MrFrood, yes I did, but it seems that there's nothing interesting there |
| 15:03.27 | tuxcrafter | hmm maybe it is |
| 15:04.00 | tuxcrafter | why is ck-list-sessions showing active = FALSE |
| 15:04.21 | tuxcrafter | both /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manage and /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager are running |
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| 15:05.27 | cali | MrFrood, ok I installed the officials drivers and it is same |
| 15:05.40 | olpe | Hey, I was installing the latest headers/kernel-image and I got a warning saying that the installation may not be complete becasue some files needed were nto considered free (and pointing to the r8169 module), but I pressed 'Enter' too quickly and lost the message. |
| 15:05.46 | olpe | is it saved somwhere on the logs? |
| 15:06.03 | MrFrood | cali: which de/wm are you using? |
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| 15:07.28 | cali | MrFrood, gnome/nautilus |
| 15:07.36 | cali | MrFrood, the same issue has happened with xfce4 |
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| 15:07.48 | cali | MrFrood, it seems to work fine with fluxbox though |
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| 15:08.31 | MrFrood | cali: try keeping an eye on cpu & mem usage incase you are overtaxing the system - can't see how with just gnome but it is allI can think of |
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| 15:09.01 | cali | MrFrood, no, I am running nothing so I don't think this is the reason |
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| 15:10.12 | MrFrood | cali: well.. works fume with a lightweight wm but conks out with heavy-weights like gnome & XFCE ... |
| 15:10.31 | MrFrood | *works fine |
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| 15:12.19 | MrFrood | cali: just keep an htop window open on another vt & see if anything spikes when it crashes |
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| 15:13.15 | hitaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.23 | cali | MrFrood, it does not crash at all |
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| 15:13.37 | sickgut | lol inkscape with all the dependencies was 106mb installed, i stripped out all the crap and squashfs'ed it now its 7mb lol |
| 15:13.38 | MrFrood | ok ... freezes |
| 15:13.45 | cali | MrFrood, ok :) |
| 15:13.52 | sickgut | 106mb down to 7mb i cant believe it |
| 15:13.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | is the package gnome3-session available in debian unstable or only in experimental? |
| 15:14.20 | streuner_ | KaffeeJunky123: /msg dpkg gnome3 |
| 15:14.21 | MrFrood | !gnome3 |
| 15:14.22 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 15:14.22 | twobitsprite | ,versions gnome3-session |
| 15:14.23 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gnome3-session' was found in i386. |
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| 15:15.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | MrFrood: thanks a lot |
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| 15:19.31 | asarch | Can you see this? http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9518/woodyq.jpg |
| 15:19.53 | asarch | This happen when I try to mount an ISO image inside Debian Woody |
| 15:20.42 | olebrom | asarch: mount a image or the cdrom? |
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| 15:20.50 | olpe | Hey, I was installing the latest headers/kernel-image and I got a warning saying that the installation may not be complete becasue some files needed were nto considered free (and pointing to the r8169 module), but I pressed 'Enter' too quickly and lost the message. Is there a way to find that message in the logs? |
| 15:20.50 | asarch | An image |
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| 15:21.27 | olebrom | asarch: then You must use mount [image] [where to mount] -o loop |
| 15:21.28 | asarch | However, if I do qemu -hda woody.img -cdrom 01.iso, it can |
| 15:21.38 | ellisgeek | Can someone help me with setting up kerbos and ldap authentication on my server? |
| 15:21.50 | ellisgeek | I have been folowing this tutorial: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/570#kerberos |
| 15:21.51 | jhutchins_lt | asarch: Why are you working with woody? |
| 15:22.00 | jelly | what jhutchins_lt said. |
| 15:22.09 | ellisgeek | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.12 | asarch | Because in real life I never could have it :-( |
| 15:22.21 | jelly | :-D |
| 15:22.23 | jhutchins_lt | ellisgeek: Bad idea to have simultaneous queries on both freenode and oftc. |
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| 15:22.45 | asarch | I was cleaning my room yesterday and I found the CDs (1 to 7, update 1 and 2, and non-us) |
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| 15:23.14 | fanta01 | is there any reason to use aptitude over apt-* tools when I am comfortable with the command line? |
| 15:23.27 | jelly | dpkg, qotd270 is <jhutchins_lt> asarch: Why are you working with woody? <asarch> Because in real life I never could have it :-( |
| 15:23.28 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 15:23.48 | jhutchins_lt | asarch: One of the pitfalls of working with such an old release is that even people who were familiar with it are now more familiar with how things work in newer releases. |
| 15:24.00 | olebrom | fanta01: I think the aptitude has better brokenpackage solver. |
| 15:24.08 | MrFrood | fanta01: swings and roundabouts as the phrase goes |
| 15:24.18 | olpe | (I'm not sure if I've been spamminng this, since my net card is loonie tonight) Hey, I was installing the latest headers/kernel-image and I got a warning saying that the installation may not be complete becasue some files needed were nto considered free (and pointing to the r8169 module), but I pressed 'Enter' too quickly and lost the message. Is there a way to find that message in the logs? |
| 15:24.22 | ellisgeek | whell no ones helping me on the debian irc chan so i thought that freenode might be better |
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| 15:24.31 | jhutchins_lt | !tell fanta01 about why aptitude |
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| 15:25.44 | asarch | Yeah, it took me more than 20 retries to pass the partition/format partitions/mount partition phase |
| 15:25.56 | Kruptein | hey I don't have the need to do anything in debian/postint, can I just remove the file or should I insert some pass statements? |
| 15:25.59 | asarch | s/phase/step/ |
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| 15:30.19 | Lynx__ | trying to configure conky and i'm getting a lua5.1 error, any clue? squeeze. |
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| 15:36.32 | matthiasgorgens | !why aptituted |
| 15:36.42 | matthiasgorgens | !telle me about why aptitude |
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| 15:37.17 | theemstra | goodday |
| 15:38.00 | dkr | !tell matthiasgorgens about why aptitude |
| 15:38.06 | theemstra | I have got a problem with piping mail in postfix, it doesn't deliver it right, with a prepaired mail (cat fakemail.txt | pipe.php) does work, tried to check the config of postfix but it didn't fix it |
| 15:38.06 | MrFrood | !tell matthiasgorgens about self tell |
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| 15:38.16 | matthiasgorgens | mrfeed, `me' worked. |
| 15:38.36 | Kruptein | hey I don't see what I'm doing wrong :f this is my makefile http://dpaste.com/549265/ but nothing get's copied; there is a directory /usr/share/swapit but it's empty and the swapit.py file isn't copied to /usr/bin |
| 15:38.46 | MrFrood | matthiasgorgens: read the message ;) |
| 15:38.49 | dkr | theemstra: what is pipe.php? |
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| 15:38.57 | matthiasgorgens | !tell me about selftell |
| 15:39.11 | theemstra | dkr: it is the pipe mail file for piping the mail to the support ticket system |
| 15:39.13 | matthiasgorgens | ok. |
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| 15:39.20 | MrFrood | *sigh* |
| 15:39.29 | theemstra | dkr: have you got experience with piping mail? |
| 15:39.31 | matthiasgorgens | mrfrood, i didn't read it the first time. :o) |
| 15:39.40 | dkr | theemstra: what is the command that doesn't work? |
| 15:40.20 | theemstra | in master.cf of postfix: supportsystem unix - n n - - pipe flags=ORu user=www-data:www-data argv=/usr/bin/php /home/thom/www/xsbyte/httpdocs/support/pipe.php ${recipient} |
| 15:40.32 | theemstra | dkr: ^^ |
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| 15:40.47 | Kruptein | no packaging people in here? :f |
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| 15:41.31 | Kruptein | well debhelper is here at least :p |
| 15:41.44 | stew | Kruptein: this is debian/rules? or what? how are you calling make? |
| 15:41.56 | Kruptein | stew Makefile |
| 15:42.05 | Kruptein | and I do debuild |
| 15:42.13 | stew | Kruptein: can you show us debian/rules? |
| 15:42.20 | Kruptein | yes |
| 15:42.24 | Kruptein | I'm following this guide http://savetheions.com/2010/01/20/packaging-python-applicationsmodules-for-debian/ |
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| 15:42.37 | cheako | Hello. |
| 15:42.42 | cer_abg | hi there |
| 15:42.56 | Kruptein | stew: rules http://dpaste.com/549267/ |
| 15:43.17 | DammitJim | are solid state hard drives a lot faster than regular platter hard drives? |
| 15:43.29 | wols | DammitJim: yes |
| 15:43.30 | cer_abg | i just installed debian squeeze amd64 netinst into a machine, and then i reboot for booting from HD and i get "no bootable device -- inser boot disk and press any key" it is possible that during installation i needed to set a bot flag or so? |
| 15:43.32 | Kruptein | stew has it to do with the $(MAKE) row ? |
| 15:43.37 | DammitJim | like a gazillion times faster? |
| 15:43.51 | stew | Kruptein: can you show us the output of debuild? |
| 15:43.51 | cheako | DammitJim: Depends, USB drives probably not. |
| 15:43.54 | wols | DammitJim: more importantly, the have nonexistent seek times. about 5 times faster for the newest generation |
| 15:43.59 | Kruptein | stew yes wait some moment |
| 15:44.01 | DammitJim | I am buying laptops for developers |
| 15:44.05 | cer_abg | !install |
| 15:44.05 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions, and ask me about <offline squeeze install>. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 15:44.10 | MrFrood | wols: are they faster than bubble memmory? :P |
| 15:44.13 | DammitJim | and I'm trying to see if there is an advantage to SSD vs regular |
| 15:44.23 | cer_abg | !boot |
| 15:44.23 | cheako | I have a esata flash drive that I use for /usr and I believe it to be fast. |
| 15:44.24 | wols | MrFrood: depends on the size of the bubbles obviously |
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| 15:44.43 | MrFrood | wols: good point :-/ |
| 15:44.52 | wols | DammitJim: duh! of coures there is. the question is only: is the increased price worth it. 1,40Euro/GB for example |
| 15:45.10 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm.... I gotta check on that |
| 15:45.10 | Kruptein | stew: okay debuild 2>output didn't work :D how can I copy all output to a file in bash? |
| 15:45.26 | stew | Kruptein: &>output |
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| 15:46.34 | wols | DammitJim: C/C++ programmers? |
| 15:46.39 | Kruptein | stew that seems to be a lot of problems :f http://dpaste.com/549268/ |
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| 15:46.57 | cer_abg | i just installed debian squeeze amd64 netinst into a machine, and then i reboot for booting from HD and i get "no bootable device -- inser boot disk and press any key" it is possible that during installation i needed to set a bot flag or so? |
| 15:47.12 | cer_abg | !d-1 |
| 15:47.14 | cer_abg | !d-i |
| 15:47.27 | wols | !tell cer_abg about selftell |
| 15:47.36 | DammitJim | wols, C# :( |
| 15:47.49 | stew | Kruptein: i don't see problems. /home/darragh/development/swapind/deb/swapit-0.1.1/debian/swapit/usr/share/swappit is empty? |
| 15:48.00 | stew | Kruptein: does the resulting .deb not contain /usr/share/swappit? |
| 15:48.02 | wols | cer_abg: no need to set a bootflag. all you need to do is to install grub to the MBR. if you don't install to the MBR, then you need a bootflag,yes |
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| 15:48.21 | cheako | DammitJim: I've had disadvantages, but with every generation I'm told they are gone. I'm not sure of the last generation I've tested. I'd consider solid state media to be write seldom based on past experience with drives becoming degraded to read-only at best. |
| 15:48.44 | cer_abg | wols: nice the boot feature, didn't know. I installed into the MBR.. .twice. Sencond time via recover mode |
| 15:48.52 | DammitJim | thanks cheako |
| 15:48.59 | wols | DammitJim: with C, like a kernel compile, your limit is the disk. you see how at concurrency 2, the compiler waits for disk loads and writes. if this is the same for C#, then obviously a SSD makes sense. if not... |
| 15:49.03 | Kruptein | stew: the first paths exist, it's the deb that has empty dirs but I don't see why |
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| 15:49.39 | wols | cheako: which was the last one you tried? |
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| 15:49.50 | stew | Kruptein: oh, wait, you should fix this: W: swapit source: package-uses-deprecated-debhelper-compat-version 1 |
| 15:49.55 | stew | Kruptein: and the changelog problems |
| 15:50.23 | wols | cer_abg: what is the disk layout of your system? |
| 15:50.25 | cheako | wols: As explained I'm not certain. However it's not like I'm going to re-test based on any ones suggestion and blow out a drive. |
| 15:50.32 | Kruptein | stew the changelog problems I can fix, but what should I do to solve the first? |
| 15:51.02 | cer_abg | wols: excuse me? disk layout? i'm installing directly to the disk, nor LVM nor RAID if you were asking for tat |
| 15:51.08 | cheako | If I was a buisness though, I'd certainly purchase a few and put them on a bench to be sure. |
| 15:51.12 | cer_abg | that* |
| 15:51.22 | wols | cheako: actually the disadvantages are worse with every gen: the smaller the structures, the lower the amount of writes per cell before it goes bad |
| 15:51.43 | wols | cer_abg: what disks, how many, installed from what medium, etc |
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| 15:51.59 | wols | how partitioned |
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| 15:52.09 | Woet | Why don't the debian packages of Xen include support for Remus? |
| 15:52.24 | Woet | Xen 4.0 and 4.1 include Remus support, but the debian package of Xen 4.1 doesn't include it for some reason |
| 15:52.42 | stew | Kruptein: you want to do something like "echo 6 > debian/compat" |
| 15:52.48 | stew | i don't know if you want 5 or 6 |
| 15:52.53 | cer_abg | wols: single disk, 2 partition, 1º primary for "/" and other logical for swap /dev/sda is the device as seen by the installer |
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| 15:53.45 | jhutchins_lt | cer_abg: No need for logical partitions unless you need more than 4. |
| 15:53.55 | wols | cer_abg: rescue boot and reinstall grub via grub-install. it should tell you where it writes to, what kernels it recognizes etc |
| 15:54.10 | cer_abg | jhutchins_lt: debian installer did it automatically so.. |
| 15:54.17 | jhutchins_lt | Wierd. |
| 15:54.25 | eni23 | ello at all. i have a question. is there a way to send the output of my soundcard to my serler (lan) and play it there? |
| 15:54.29 | wols | !tell cer_abg about reinstall grub |
| 15:55.16 | wols | eni23: http://www.google.com/search?q=pulseaudio+network+sound |
| 15:55.20 | cer_abg | wols: let me see |
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| 15:57.17 | wols | cer_abg: when it is done installing, check that stuff is written to your MBR, read it with dd and display it with less or such |
| 15:57.36 | cer_abg | wols: ok ok thanks |
| 15:57.39 | eni23 | wols: thanks. is pulseaudio per default installed on squeeze? |
| 15:57.42 | wols | cer_abg: from what you said, grub isn't really properly written to disk or the error mesage would be different |
| 15:57.56 | wols | eni23: most sound daemons can do the same |
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| 15:58.24 | cer_abg | wols: no error message during installation or rescue mode. I can mount /dev/sda1 and see the new system files.. etc.. |
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| 15:58.43 | wols | cer_abg: that has no bearing on anything I said |
| 15:58.54 | Kruptein | stew fixed the two problems but still the deb is wrong :f http://dpaste.com/549273/ |
| 15:58.57 | wols | cer_abg: have you read the reinstall grub factoid? |
| 15:59.04 | Kruptein | stew ^ (new output of debuild) |
| 15:59.12 | eni23 | wols: how can i find out which one i have running |
| 15:59.20 | cer_abg | wols: no (not yet i mean) |
| 15:59.26 | wols | probably with "ps" |
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| 16:00.52 | stew | Kruptein: you didn't fix the dh compat problem, see linmes 96,97 |
| 16:01.05 | Kruptein | ah I see |
| 16:01.20 | stew | Kruptein: compat should just contain a single line, which should be a 5 or a 6 |
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| 16:01.32 | Kruptein | ah okay :p |
| 16:01.58 | eni23 | wols: ps did not really help. |
| 16:02.06 | stew | Kruptein: you should probably be fine with 6 |
| 16:02.10 | Kruptein | stew I did "echo 6> compat" instead of "echo 6 > compat" xD |
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| 16:02.22 | _darren_ | I am running sid and tried up grading my 686 kernel. Error message about my CPU not supporting PAE and recommending I install 486. I've done that, but now apt keep trying to reconfigure 686 kernel everytime I try to remove it (still in failed upgrade state). How do I remove linux-kernel-686? |
| 16:02.25 | cer_abg | wols: how do you know i'm from spain? :D |
| 16:02.27 | stew | Kruptein: you can read about it in "man 7 debhelper" |
| 16:02.46 | Kruptein | stew but I believe you p: |
| 16:02.53 | oconnore`` | hi, why would i be unable to execute a -rwxr-xr-x in my home directory? It says "bash: ./myfile: No such file or directory. |
| 16:03.13 | ansgar | oconnore``: Missing interpreter? |
| 16:03.14 | stew | oconnore``: what does "file ./myfile" say it is? |
| 16:03.21 | Kruptein | stew okay thanks that solved the problem! |
| 16:03.27 | oconnore`` | ansgar: it is an elf executable |
| 16:03.43 | stew | oconnore``: check "ldd ./myfile" |
| 16:03.51 | ansgar | oconnore``: That has an "interpreter" as well. Is it 32bit on a 64bit host or other way around? |
| 16:04.04 | oconnore`` | ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped |
| 16:04.07 | oconnore`` | it is a 64 bit host |
| 16:04.43 | oconnore`` | stew: not a dynamic executable |
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| 16:04.56 | stew | oconnore``: "dynamically linked (uses shared libs(" |
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| 16:05.13 | wols | cer_abg: I don't? what makes you think I know (or care)? |
| 16:05.33 | cer_abg | wols: you send me documentation in spanish... or was the bot? |
| 16:05.50 | wols | the bot, but dpkg only speaks english except /msg dpkg es |
| 16:06.09 | oconnore`` | stew: hmm, so why is ldd not showing any shared libraries? |
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| 16:06.47 | stew | oconnore``: i don't know. but if you strace it, you'll probably figure out what file it is failing to find |
| 16:06.47 | cer_abg | wols: problem solved I set the bootmark flag to the partition...and reinstall the grub to the mbr.. and now i see grub |
| 16:06.56 | ansgar | oconnore``: ldd starts the executable. Maybe it fails because you cannot start it ;) |
| 16:07.17 | wols | cer_abg: that is a double thing you did. most probably before you installed to /dev/sda1 but didn't set the bootflag |
| 16:07.20 | cer_abg | wols: this is weird because i did it at least two times before come here... |
| 16:07.39 | cer_abg | wols: anyway, thanks |
| 16:07.40 | cer_abg | bye bye! |
| 16:07.44 | wols | cer_abg: which would explain the error message |
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| 16:08.30 | Woet | Why don't the debian packages of Xen include support for Remus? |
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| 16:08.36 | ansgar | oconnore``: You could try strace. It should show which file it fails to open. |
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| 16:09.59 | ansgar | oconnore``: Or readelf -l which should include something like "[Requesting program interpreter: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2]" |
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| 16:24.14 | gynter | Which is more appropriate. "Debian Open Use Logo is copyrighted by Software in the Public Interest (http://www.debian.org)." or "Debian Open Use Logo is owned by Software in the Public Interest (http://www.debian.org)." ? |
| 16:24.52 | maligor | both seem equally confusing to anyone likely to read it |
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| 16:25.14 | gynter | Any other suggestions then? |
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| 16:26.10 | maligor | What's the use of the statement? |
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| 16:26.37 | maligor | that is... what kind of place is it used in |
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| 16:26.53 | gynter | Going to use Debian Open Use Logo (without "Debian") in the background pattern of a wallpaper. |
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| 16:28.02 | michi | Hi there, I am trying to generate the list of packages depending of a given package (pmake) in the Debian archive (rather than in the set of packages installed on my machine). Any lcue? |
| 16:28.06 | michi | s/lcue/clue |
| 16:28.58 | stew | michi: aptitude search '~Dpmake' |
| 16:29.12 | maligor | gynter, well, I'd just add 'Debian Logo Copyright @ 1999 Software in the Public Interest", but IANAL or a official representative |
| 16:29.25 | maligor | err.. (c) not @ |
| 16:29.29 | gynter | k |
| 16:29.32 | jelly | ©! |
| 16:29.36 | gynter | ye |
| 16:29.46 | dondelelcaro | gynter: just follow the open use license, and you're fine. |
| 16:29.58 | michi | stew: thanks for the tip! |
| 16:30.10 | michi | stew: unfortunately, there is none ⦠|
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| 16:30.35 | stew | michi: yes, i don't see any. i see packages conflicting with pmake, but not depending on pmake |
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| 16:31.07 | stew | and groff-base Breaks: pmake |
| 16:31.23 | michi | stew: I am trying to package a software using pmake to build |
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| 16:31.50 | stew | michi: there are several package which build-depend on pmake |
| 16:31.53 | michi | the build procedure works fine from the sehll but breaks when used from debian/rules build |
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| 16:32.05 | michi | how nice |
| 16:32.24 | stew | michi: grep-dctrl -F Build-Depends pmake -s Package /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources |
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| 16:34.43 | michi | stew: thank you for the tip, there is actually a hand of such packages ... I will take a closer look at them! |
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| 16:39.21 | garbagegod | so i want to switch my servers to debian from arch |
| 16:39.28 | femichel | hi, howto install gnome3 in wheezy ? |
| 16:39.43 | garbagegod | whats the most stable but relatively new debian release? |
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| 16:39.51 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 16:40.14 | edwin_quijada | How can I delete all entry done to my ldap using smbldap-populate? |
| 16:40.23 | simonlnu | garbagegod: it's called 'stable'. currently squeeze. |
| 16:40.36 | garbagegod | k thanks |
| 16:40.50 | simonlnu | rock steady solid |
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| 16:44.53 | femichel | hi, howto install gnome3 in wheezy ? |
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| 16:49.02 | wols | !gnome3 |
| 16:49.02 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 16:50.04 | garbagegod | is there a debian install guide that dosent suck? |
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| 16:50.15 | abrotman | the installation manual |
| 16:50.32 | garbagegod | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ this one? |
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| 16:52.34 | stew | dpkg: ig |
| 16:52.34 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 16:58.57 | sickgut | wow just checked out the "bb" program, a AA lib demo |
| 16:59.07 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.23 | sickgut | colored ascii art demos interest me |
| 16:59.50 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.03 | sickgut | 1.3mb or so |
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| 17:00.44 | sickgut | really interested if anyone knows of any such demo or open ended caca equiv that lets you look at source code |
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| 17:03.37 | ntosme2 | anyone having problems installing nfs-common, specifically with statd not starting? |
| 17:03.53 | ntosme2 | "rpc.statd[17569]: unable to register (statd, 1, udp)." |
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| 17:04.55 | ntosme2 | I'm trying to get nfs-kernel-server running |
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| 17:07.13 | chrissbx | Hi. What is involved in managing power to the monitor? After a fresh boot, my system would (first blank, my gnome-screensaver settings, then) shut down the monitor when idle, but after some uptime, it would only blank the screen not shut it down. |
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| 17:07.27 | chrissbx | This happens on both my desktop and my laptop. |
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| 17:08.31 | chrissbx | I suspect that it might be related to using smplayer or mplayer, but then I can verify that there is no instance of mplayer running and it still won't work anymore; |
| 17:08.57 | chrissbx | (also I think I checked some time ago and the power off actually still worked after using smplayer once?) |
| 17:09.12 | chrissbx | Does anyone experience something similar? |
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| 17:24.28 | ogzy | at the xen server i had lenny installation, i dist-upgraded it to lenny but seems i made something missing now when i reboot the systen i even dont get grub, how can i fix it? |
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| 17:25.08 | cheako | I'm here now, developing. |
| 17:25.18 | chrissbx | ogzy: you upgraded lenny to lenny? |
| 17:25.31 | ogzy | chrissbx: sorry to squeeze |
| 17:26.00 | chrissbx | you've installed a xen host or xen guest? |
| 17:26.13 | babilen | ogzy: How did you upgrade? Did you just install the kernel+udev and rebooted and grub is gone? What happens exactly? |
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| 17:28.36 | ogzy | chrissbx: babilen: we have xen citrix server, i had created a VM and installed lenny, then i followed the instrcutions here: http://www.mogilowski.net/lang/en-us/2011/02/07/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-on-citrix-xenserver/ |
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| 17:29.34 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 17:30.04 | ogzy | chrissbx: babilen: i tried to open with a live cd (Kubuntu, Ubuntu) they didn't opened the graphical interface, stucked, then i tried with knoppix it gave an error also, the debian net install cd opens the text based installation cd, i need to open it with a live cd somehow and fix |
| 17:30.30 | babilen | ogzy: You should have followed the release notes, as the kernel+udev needs to be upgraded seperately before you perform a dist-uprade, also aptitude is *not* recommended for *this* upgrade. |
| 17:30.52 | babilen | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 17:30.52 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 17:31.25 | babilen | ogzy: That ^^^ are the instructions in a nutshell, but squeeze's release notes contain a plethora of other helpful information. |
| 17:31.48 | babilen | ogzy: I actually wonder how you were able to complete the upgrade by following that "tutorial" |
| 17:31.57 | ogzy | babilen: ok but i am not able to open it with a live cd now, any experience with it? |
| 17:32.14 | babilen | ogzy: You can not boot a live/rescue CD? |
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| 17:33.03 | ogzy | babilen: i tried but knoppix, ubuntu, kubuntu, they are not being opened, debian netinstall cd works, but i am not sure about the mounting part |
| 17:33.15 | babilen | "being opened" == able to boot? |
| 17:33.36 | babilen | !fixmbr |
| 17:33.36 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 17:34.11 | babilen | ogzy: That is more or less the procedure to follow -- Can be done with any live cd -- /me suggests either GRML or Debian Live Rescue |
| 17:34.25 | ogzy | babilen: will it be enough on the xen server? |
| 17:34.27 | babilen | but you can probably chroot from the netinstall too as outlined above |
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| 17:34.52 | ogzy | babilen: i never heard Live Rescue, let me check them |
| 17:34.52 | babilen | ogzy: No idea, sorry |
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| 17:35.54 | babilen | I would actually recommend to reset the installation to your snapshot/backup and follow the release notes for the upgrade. I doubt that the upgrade was complete on your box. |
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| 17:36.54 | ogzy | babilen: i didn't get the back up :), if i can chroot maybe i can fix |
| 17:37.08 | ogzy | babilen: it is what you are talking: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.1-i386-rescue.iso ? |
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| 17:40.15 | babilen | ogzy: Yes, that was the one I was talking about, but I have no idea if that actually helps you with your Xen guest. You might want to ask in a Xen specific channel how to get a rescue system running. (##xen) |
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| 17:40.39 | ogzy | babilen: ok thank you |
| 17:40.45 | ogzy | #xen |
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| 17:40.58 | babilen | ogzy: Good luck and excuse my lack of Xen knowledge. |
| 17:41.12 | ogzy | babilen: you gace me enough information, thank you |
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| 17:43.28 | sickgut | i love my os reinstall button on my xen control panel |
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| 17:43.32 | sickgut | solusvm ftw |
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| 17:44.07 | boah | How can I enable Belgium language support for icedove? |
| 17:44.39 | boah | I installed the required package, but it seems to not be picking it up. |
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| 17:46.29 | boah | I did apt-get install icedove-l10n-be . Is there something else I have to do? I think Ubuntu has some generic language manager, which I don't currently see in my menus, but I suppose it is just another package. |
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| 17:47.27 | jordanm | boah: have you checked to see if it comes in the form of an addon? |
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| 17:47.54 | boah | jordanm: no, good suggestion. |
| 17:48.00 | babilen | boah: Are you running it in the correct locale? (e.g. LANGUAGE=de_DE.utf-8 /usr/bin/icedove) ? |
| 17:48.30 | babilen | boah: (replace de_DE.utf-8 with whatever locale is used in Belgium) |
| 17:48.33 | boah | babilen: LANGUAGE is unset, LANG is set. |
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| 17:49.10 | babilen | boah: So, does it work if you start it like that? |
| 17:49.58 | babilen | LC_MESSAGES is what you are after :) |
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| 17:50.24 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:51.19 | boah | babilen: neither of those work |
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| 17:51.31 | boah | babilen: |
| 17:51.37 | boah | babilen: |
| 17:51.42 | babilen | hmm? |
| 17:51.48 | boah | Keyboard issues |
| 17:52.22 | boah | babilen: I did not try combinations. |
| 17:52.47 | boah | I think it is something else. |
| 17:53.45 | babilen | boah: fwiw it works fine here LC_MESSAGES=de_DE.utf-8 -- Which package did you install, which command did you execute and which locale do you use? |
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| 17:55.16 | boah | babilen: |
| 17:55.41 | boah | babilen: if it works in German, it is fine too. Your command does not work. |
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| 17:56.21 | babilen | boah: You install "icedove-l10n-de" and execute "LC_MESSAGES=de_DE.utf-8 /usr/bin/icedove" and the UI is not localised? |
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| 17:57.14 | babilen | boah: Could you run "locale -a" and paste the output? |
| 17:57.19 | boah | babilen: that is odd. It does work for German. |
| 17:57.42 | Cerise | mh, how do you guys feel about using dotdeb for php5-fpm? |
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| 17:57.55 | wolldingwacht | bye |
| 17:57.56 | babilen | boah: Ah, screw that (locale -a) |
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| 17:58.04 | boah | babilen: do you know how these packages work in detail? |
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| 17:58.49 | boah | babilen: one would expect the language packages to be static data files. |
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| 17:59.31 | stew | !dotdeb |
| 17:59.32 | dpkg | it has been said that dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
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| 18:00.01 | stew | Cerise: dotdeb packages have historically been problematic |
| 18:00.10 | babilen | boah: If you run "grep -ve "^#" /etc/locale.gen" which locales are listed and is your locale among them? |
| 18:00.14 | stew | Cerise: i'd recommend waiting for a backport, or backporting yourself |
| 18:01.05 | babilen | boah: you might want to paste that to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 18:01.29 | boah | babilen: there are tons, but for example nl_BE.UTF-8 UTF-8 is there. |
| 18:01.53 | Cerise | okay |
| 18:02.32 | boah | babilen: I checked that French also works. |
| 18:02.50 | babilen | boah: Ok, let me try with nl_BE ... (I am on sid though) -- Which icedove-l10n package is that? |
| 18:03.35 | boah | babilen: you can try nl_NL.UTF-8 too, which has the -nl package. |
| 18:03.57 | babilen | boah: Which language do you want? |
| 18:04.32 | boah | babilen: NL |
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| 18:05.22 | boah | So, apt-get install icedove-l10n-nl |
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| 18:05.45 | boah | Shouldn't that l be an i? |
| 18:06.00 | boah | As in "Internationalization"? |
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| 18:06.11 | boah | Ah, no. It is Localisation |
| 18:06.35 | babilen | yeah, sure (I jsut wasn't sure if you wanted Dutch, French or German. Ok, works perfectly fine over here. (LC_MESSAGES=nl_NL.utf8 + LC_MESSAGES=nl_BE.utf8) |
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| 18:06.52 | babilen | I see a "Postvak" and all that :) |
| 18:07.11 | boah | babilen: I use a different nl_NL.utf8 . |
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| 18:07.21 | boah | babilen: that one is not listed here. |
| 18:07.29 | babilen | Please elaborate |
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| 18:08.02 | babilen | s/utf8/utf-8/ btw |
| 18:08.08 | MarkG234 | Anyone good at debugging TLS/SSL problems? I got two Android devices, one can connect to my dovecot IMAP server just fine, the other one complains about a SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO Unknown Protocol error when trying to setup the SMTP settings. |
| 18:08.09 | zaikxtox | hello. someone has the problem that qsampler segfaults on amd64 (debian 6.0) |
| 18:08.16 | boah | babilen: you asked me to execute some command. In the output of that command yours was not listed. |
| 18:08.45 | boah | babilen: nl_NL.UTF-8 UTF-8 on one line is listed |
| 18:08.45 | zaikxtox | searched around but seems that no one solved it |
| 18:09.05 | babilen | boah: Ok, but it works regardless. I can easily execute "LC_MESSAGES=nl_NL.utf-8 /usr/bin/icedove" and get a Dutch UI |
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| 18:09.58 | boah | babilen: it does not here. |
| 18:10.25 | babilen | boah: But it works for de_DE, fr_FR? |
| 18:10.29 | boah | babilen: yes |
| 18:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | MarkG234: All I know is that it's a major pain. The phones generally don't have (or don't show) the same options the server or a normal mail client does. |
| 18:10.44 | babilen | Strange :-\ |
| 18:10.50 | zaikxtox | MarkG234, quite a big problem... ssl is by design obscure. tried first that device using plain unecrypted traffic? so you know if it's a problem with imap or with ssl |
| 18:11.13 | jhutchins_lt | MarkG234: It may be that the phone uses a different protocol version. Check the logs on the server, increase logging level. |
| 18:11.15 | boah | babilen: how does <insert your command> | grep nl look like? |
| 18:11.17 | MarkG234 | my basic Android 2.2 phone connects just fine, but my Android 3.1 Honeycomb tablet does not... |
| 18:11.41 | babilen | boah: What are you referring to by "your command" ? |
| 18:11.41 | sunny | anyone know building packages with dpkg around by any chance? |
| 18:11.55 | ompaul | MarkG234: not being smart but is there a ##android or something? |
| 18:12.18 | boah | babilen: grep -ve "^#" /etc/locale.gen| grep nl |
| 18:12.19 | babilen | boah: If you mean the locale.gen grep, I don't have nl_NL (or nl_BE) |
| 18:12.38 | ompaul | MarkG234: I found that I had way more access on my phone when I hit the "menu" button while in the app |
| 18:12.39 | MarkG234 | yes, but they know Android, I think this is a mail problem on my debian setup. (it all went crap when Debian moved to Dovecot 2.x) |
| 18:12.46 | zaikxtox | MarkG234, try using a proxy. nginx does imap ssl/tls reverse proxy |
| 18:13.04 | boah | babilen: then what decides which language is going to be used? |
| 18:13.08 | babilen | boah: And nl_NL does also not work? So other languages work, just not Dutch? |
| 18:13.28 | ompaul | is it not nl on its own? |
| 18:13.36 | zaikxtox | MarkG234, that way you can see traffic between nginx and your imap on port 143 |
| 18:13.41 | babilen | boah: I specify it with LC_MESSAGES=nl_NL.utf-8 and it displays everything in Dutch |
| 18:14.46 | boah | ompaul: no |
| 18:15.07 | boah | babilen: no, yes |
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| 18:16.17 | babilen | boah: Most remarkable :-\ |
| 18:16.35 | boah | babilen: if I specify something which has no language files, I get a warning on the terminal. |
| 18:16.39 | boah | (as expected) |
| 18:16.41 | babilen | sure |
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| 18:17.56 | babilen | boah: The package installed fine? /usr/share/icedove/extensions*/langpack-nl* files are there, just no dutch? Could you reinstall the package? |
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| 18:18.47 | boah | babilen: those files exist. |
| 18:19.00 | boah | babilen: I installed the package 10 minutes ago. |
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| 18:19.42 | babilen | boah: And the language is listed as installed in "Tools â Add-Ons â Languages" ? |
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| 18:20.15 | boah | babilen: no, it is not, I was ahead of you. |
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| 18:21.27 | babilen | boah: Ok, at least that explains why Dutch is not working. The question is therefore: "Why doesn't icedove see the language files" |
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| 18:22.59 | boah | babilen: I think I will just get an xpi file from somewhere and install that. |
| 18:24.51 | babilen | boah: I've just been looking for that, but that surely is an idea. You could also try to backport 3.1 from sid and try that version (/msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 18:25.19 | boah | babilen: I am running sid. |
| 18:25.53 | babilen | boah: Ah! You should have mentioned that (btw, support for sid users is off-topic here and handled in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) |
| 18:26.21 | boah | babilen: oh, I am sorry about that. |
| 18:26.40 | stew | its off-topic here? |
| 18:27.40 | ompaul | boah: do this and then go over to the other channel on oftc apt-cache search nl | grep Dut | stew it has a home full of people running sid over in the other place ;-) |
| 18:27.41 | babilen | stew: wheezy/sid specific problem are explicitly on-topic in #debian-next and the idea was to have #d for stable |
| 18:28.52 | stew | since when are sid questions off-topic here? we've always expected people running sid to be more self-sufficient, but I didn't know that questions about sid were unwelcome here |
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| 18:29.39 | boah | If you only allow server bugs questions here, it is going to be a quiet place. |
| 18:29.56 | babilen | boah: stable is not only for servers |
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| 18:30.40 | boah | No, but lots of mostly self-supporting desktop users do use unstable. |
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| 18:31.13 | ompaul | and now when they don't want to be self supporting there is a place dedicated to them #debian-next on oftc ;-) |
| 18:31.23 | babilen | stew: Well, it was a bit borderline and the factoids for example stated that sid/testing is off-topic here. The idea of #debian-next is to have a channel in which testing/sid users are welcomed and their problems are explicitly on-topic. |
| 18:31.34 | boah | ompaul: sure, but nobody is going to type #debian-next. |
| 18:31.50 | stew | babilen: which factoids? |
| 18:31.52 | ompaul | boah: they have to go to oftc and it works |
| 18:32.00 | boah | It is not like there are too many people talking here. |
| 18:32.13 | ompaul | !sid |
| 18:32.13 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian, but in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 18:32.18 | michi | Hi there again |
| 18:32.29 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:32.40 | michi | I am porting a software to Debian |
| 18:32.51 | babilen | stew: The unstable,sid,testing users. ("You are expected to fix problems on your own" and things like that. I don't have them saved, and the new versions have been adapted to reflect the creation of #debian-next) -- don't you think it is a good idea? (btw, do we want to take this to #debian-offtopic?) |
| 18:32.52 | michi | and have a lot of trouble with the doucmentation for this procedure |
| 18:32.54 | sickgut | oh i see |
| 18:32.56 | sickgut | so |
| 18:33.08 | stew | dpkg: factinfo sid |
| 18:33.08 | dpkg | sid -- last modified at Fri May 6 21:58:21 2011 by babilen!~babilen@87-194-152-68.bethere.co.uk; it has been requested 1124 times, last by ompaul, 55s ago. |
| 18:33.09 | babilen | stew: s/users/factoids :) |
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| 18:33.32 | sickgut | sid is the permanent name of the everchanging unstable |
| 18:33.35 | ompaul | boah: did you ever think of the fun when you say "I have stable software" and the first thing someone says "omg I can't get _NL support" just as an example, kind of contradictory is it not ;-) |
| 18:33.49 | somiaj | michi: what do you mean by porting software -- besides the debian specific packaging (which you can look up all the details in the debian matainer guide) it shoudln't be much differetn than proting to any linux |
| 18:33.58 | sickgut | so is sid newer than wheezy? |
| 18:34.05 | simonlnu | _NL support? |
| 18:34.08 | stew | sickgut: what do you mean by newer? |
| 18:34.32 | michi | with both the maint-guide and debian-policy at hand, I was unable to find out where the `debian/rules' binary target is supposed to install the files. |
| 18:34.53 | boah | ompaul: the moment a downgrade function is available, I will downgrade. |
| 18:34.57 | ompaul | sickgut: kind of ;-) it is sometimes newer than testing, and sometimes stuff goes in there that never makes it to testing (can't think of a specific example atm) |
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| 18:35.11 | somiaj | sickgut: You should look up how packages propage though debian, that will help you understand a bit more. Most packages are first put into sid, and then based on bug reports work their way into testing -- eventally testing freezes and becomes the new stable, a new testing snapshot is made (sid is unlatered) |
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| 18:35.32 | somiaj | sickgut: big packages that could break sid -- require lots of work get put into experimental first, but those are the rare ones. |
| 18:35.33 | ompaul | boah: well then your best option is to sit on wheezy not sid and become testing slowly but surely |
| 18:35.36 | sickgut | i was under the impression that it went like this. etch lenny squeeze sid wheezy and all will be released in turn, like sid would become the new stable after squeeze is the oldstable and then wheezy becomes the new thing |
| 18:35.37 | stew | michi: if you are using debhelper, it will depend on the compat level, but all currently supported compat levels would be having you put files into debian/$packagename |
| 18:36.04 | ompaul | sickgut: for instance the changes that allowed kde 4.6.2 get into experimental for a while before it came into sid |
| 18:36.04 | sickgut | but thats obviously not right |
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| 18:36.28 | simonlnu | sickgut: remove sid from that list |
| 18:36.37 | sickgut | so like wheezy is more stable etc than sid |
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| 18:36.44 | michi | stew: I guess compat level is the 7 in debian/compat |
| 18:36.49 | somiaj | sickgut: well then you were mistaking, sid is and always will be unstable -- the first palce most packages go |
| 18:36.51 | simonlnu | it's testing right now. not stable. |
| 18:36.58 | sickgut | omg |
| 18:37.00 | stew | michi: then debian/$packagename |
| 18:37.00 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.09 | simonlnu | it'll become the next stable release |
| 18:37.14 | sickgut | know i kno w my screwups rofl |
| 18:37.23 | stew | sickgut: once wheezy is released as the new stable, something new will be created to be the new testing |
| 18:37.31 | simonlnu | yep |
| 18:37.36 | sickgut | i put sid in my sources.list when i wanted to upgrade etc instead of wheezy |
| 18:37.44 | sickgut | ok and sid will always be unstable |
| 18:37.51 | simonlnu | yep |
| 18:37.55 | sickgut | aaaaaaaaah |
| 18:38.01 | sickgut | plonk |
| 18:38.11 | sickgut | thats the sound of the cogs finally turning in my brain |
| 18:38.19 | simonlnu | *sickgut falls over, passed out* |
| 18:38.44 | simonlnu | mine make rusty noises |
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| 18:38.57 | ompaul | sickgut: it works, welcome to the next level of understanding |
| 18:39.07 | simonlnu | *enlightenment* |
| 18:39.09 | syockit | hey wait, this alt-o turning into ï isn't compose! isn't it Level3? |
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| 18:39.44 | Some_Person | Is it possible to somehow scan all ports to see if any are open to the internet? |
| 18:40.21 | sickgut | yeah |
| 18:40.22 | joltcan | Some_Person: nmap is your friend for things like that. But if you just want to see which ones are open you could just use "netstat -anp" as root on the local system |
| 18:40.39 | sickgut | you ask a guy you know to scan you and tell you |
| 18:40.42 | michi | stew: thanks, I give it a try ⦠|
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| 18:41.01 | stew | Some_Person: "netstat -lunt" will show you all the things that are listening. it won't tell you which might be firewalled off. nmap is a tool you can use on a remote system to scan yours |
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| 18:41.48 | Some_Person | stew: Well, I'm definitely at least behind nat, so nmap is useless. And I'm trying to figure out if any are *not* firewalled off |
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| 18:42.26 | stew | Some_Person: why is nmap useless? |
| 18:42.42 | Some_Person | stew: I have no way to connect to the machine in question |
| 18:43.08 | stew | Some_Person: if there is no way to connect to this machine, I'm not sure what it is you are trying to discover then |
| 18:43.23 | Some_Person | stew: I'm trying to discover if any ports are not firewalled off |
| 18:43.23 | stew | Some_Person: since it seemed like you were trying to discover ways you could connect to this machine |
| 18:43.24 | ompaul | Some_Person: so then you can't detect remotely what are your nat rules are you allowing people in directly if not nothing to fear but you best check with nmap outside |
| 18:44.03 | stew | Some_Person: "iptables-save" would tell you the local firewall rules |
| 18:44.23 | ompaul | Some_Person: and no I won't connect to your machine remotely with my nmap without written consent - someone on the internet said it was ok ... yeah thanks but no thanks :) |
| 18:44.39 | Some_Person | stew: But that only tells me what's going on locally, i.e., on the machine itself |
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| 18:44.48 | ompaul | stew: you assume there is a gateway with nat have we been told that I don't think so yet |
| 18:44.50 | Some_Person | ompaul: I wasn't going to ask you to |
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| 18:45.11 | stew | ompaul: "14:41 < Some_Person> stew: Well, I'm definitely at least behind nat" |
| 18:45.21 | Some_Person | ompaul: besides, you can't connect to it because I don't even know if it has an internet connection, let alone an IP |
| 18:45.24 | ompaul | stew: so then is gateway linux based |
| 18:45.40 | stew | i'm not sure what that meanas |
| 18:46.23 | ompaul | stew: I typed badly, basically we have not been told what the gateway is yet |
| 18:46.34 | stew | right |
| 18:46.42 | stew | but I no longer understand at all what we are trying to figure out |
| 18:46.43 | Some_Person | I don't know what it is |
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| 18:47.43 | ddraskovic | how to stop dhcp client ? It is trynig constantly to obtain address, and I want to give it a static one... |
| 18:47.51 | ompaul | Some_Person: you are not making sense is what we conclude you are saying "machine" ---- something ---- "nat box" --- is there internet --- this is as much info as you have given us - i.e. nothing |
| 18:48.31 | nkuttler | ddraskovic: don't use dhcp then |
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| 18:48.43 | Some_Person | That's about all I know. I have this kind of setup: machine ------ something/walled garden ------ internet? |
| 18:49.03 | stew | ddraskovic: if dhclient is running, "pkill dhclient" |
| 18:49.18 | hntest | hello i am trying to download shadow package, i tried the websvn and ftp : ftp://pkg-shadow.alioth.debian.org/pub/pkg-shadow |
| 18:49.19 | Some_Person | Port 110 used to be open to the internet here, but was recently closed. I want to try and find another one |
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| 18:49.27 | hntest | none does seem to work. |
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| 18:49.29 | stew | Some_Person: and you are trying to figure out what "something/walled garden" passes through to your box? |
| 18:49.32 | ompaul | Some_Person: not enough information to help there so hard luck |
| 18:50.11 | Some_Person | I don't really have any more information to give you |
| 18:50.22 | Some_Person | stew: I'm trying to find another open port |
| 18:50.26 | hntest | does anyone got it working ? |
| 18:50.26 | boah | babilen: it works now. |
| 18:50.26 | Some_Person | if there is one |
| 18:50.31 | stew | Some_Person: open where? |
| 18:50.35 | ompaul | Some_Person: solve a differental equation - I will give you no more information |
| 18:50.36 | Some_Person | stew: to the internet |
| 18:50.47 | ompaul | Some_Person: that is exactly your deman |
| 18:50.48 | stew | Some_Person: on which machine? |
| 18:50.49 | ompaul | d |
| 18:50.53 | boah | (got an XPI, modified the version, checked user directory was basically the solution) |
| 18:51.31 | ompaul | Some_Person: sorry you did say something else, maybe it is not a differental equation |
| 18:51.38 | ddraskovic | nkuttler, how to stop dhcp ? |
| 18:51.45 | Some_Person | ompaul: I'm taking calc next year |
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| 18:52.03 | boah | Some_Person: run nmap on your machine. |
| 18:52.07 | ddraskovic | If I do pkill dhclient how to start it again later whe I need it ? |
| 18:52.14 | boah | Some_Person: there are web services that do this. |
| 18:52.19 | ompaul | Some_Person: you are trying to evade a school firewall, so you can get expelled? |
| 18:52.28 | jordanm | ddraskovic: dhclient <interface> |
| 18:52.35 | boah | I think his question was simple to understand. |
| 18:52.37 | ompaul | boah: he wants to "touch the box he is in front of" |
| 18:52.51 | Some_Person | boah: But I do not know if it even has an external IP, so how would I nmap it |
| 18:53.01 | boah | ompaul: I missed that part. |
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| 18:53.30 | stew | Some_Person: you can go to something like "whatismyip.com" to see what external ip address you have |
| 18:53.51 | Some_Person | stew: port 80 isn't open to the internet |
| 18:53.52 | boah | I don't think anyone needs to be scared of Some_Person. |
| 18:54.13 | ddraskovic | jordanm, dhclient command is not found |
| 18:54.16 | ompaul | Some_Person: the school firewalled you and when you get expelled for evading the security or at least into the deep end of something you don't understand |
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| 18:54.20 | stew | Some_Person: aiui, once you know this, you want to know if any tcp ports for this ip address are passed through to your box, regardless of what services might already be listening on your machine, becuase you want to open a port on your machine? |
| 18:54.23 | jordanm | ddraskovic: as root |
| 18:54.23 | Some_Person | ompaul: It's not a school |
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| 18:54.30 | stew | ompaul: are you just making stuff up now? |
| 18:54.30 | jordanm | ddraskovic: otherwise, install it |
| 18:54.31 | ompaul | Some_Person: it is something |
| 18:54.35 | frewsxcv | anyone have any idea why when i boot grub i get: error: fd0 read error |
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| 18:54.51 | boah | Some_Person: you can just ask to whoever owns the machine. |
| 18:54.58 | ddraskovic | jordanm, OK, sudo works |
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| 18:55.13 | jordanm | frewsxcv: sounds like its trying to access you floppy device |
| 18:55.16 | ddraskovic | jordanm, that is to start it, right. And how to stop it ? |
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| 18:55.33 | ddraskovic | jordanm, only with pkill dhclient ? |
| 18:55.43 | frewsxcv | jordanm: i don't have a floppy disk |
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| 18:56.11 | morphz | hi, i'm trying to create some shutdown policies with polkit-auth, but the tool is no there on squeeze. Some changes on the stable version? |
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| 18:56.33 | jordanm | ddraskovic: -r or -x. see man dhclient |
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| 18:59.22 | anao2 | hello@all how can i change keymap one key for ue |
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| 19:00.59 | jordanm | anao2: xmodmap? |
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| 19:05.31 | ddraskovic | jordanm, -r and -x stops dhcp daemon, but it wakes again as soon as linux on the other side of the canble launces it's dhcp server. I want tlient not to wake (untill I tell it explicitly) |
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| 19:05.52 | thewanderer1 | hi. my NFS locking is broken. all clients hang on lock: fcntl(F_GETLOCK |
| 19:06.01 | thewanderer1 | ) and I don't know how to debug this |
| 19:06.42 | thewanderer1 | I could switch to NFS4 for some directories, but I can't netboot from NFS4 as far as I know, so that doesn't solve the problem |
| 19:07.03 | sven^ | hey.. When I set the setuid bit on /bin/touch I can "touch" /etc/passwd. But if I create a symlink to /etc/passwd in any folder with root:root and the sticky bit set and try to "touch" the symlink I get a permission denied. Why exactly is that? |
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| 19:10.07 | thewanderer1 | I'm at a loss now... I see this when I mount the NFS: svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97) |
| 19:10.17 | zaikxtox | thewanderer1, nasty. how many clients do you have netbooting? they do freeNX later? or really intensive NSF use all the time |
| 19:10.27 | jordanm | ddraskovic: don't set your interfaces file to allow-hotplug |
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| 19:10.42 | thewanderer1 | zaikxtox: they use NFS all the time, they are fat clients, just diskless |
| 19:10.54 | jordanm | thewanderer1: svc? solaris? |
| 19:11.00 | thewanderer1 | and nothing works without locks - both Iceweasel and Chromium are broken |
| 19:11.08 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: Debian server with Debian clients |
| 19:11.44 | jordanm | thewanderer1: when I had to use a workstation that had an NFS /home... I put my chrome file in /dev/shm and synced it back to /home before I logged out.... |
| 19:12.03 | zaikxtox | thewanderer1, tried restarting the server and the problem came back? |
| 19:12.08 | thewanderer1 | zaikxtox: yeah |
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| 19:12.38 | thewanderer1 | there are some lock managers running when I inspect `rpcinfo -p` on the server, though |
| 19:13.00 | thewanderer1 | also, it used to work before I migrated the server disks into a new mobo... |
| 19:13.11 | zaikxtox | ps ax |grep nlock |
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| 19:13.27 | zaikxtox | does it behaves well? or is in a D status or something nasty? |
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| 19:14.03 | thewanderer1 | zaikxtox: on the server, right? |
| 19:14.09 | zaikxtox | yep. sorry |
| 19:14.27 | thewanderer1 | there is no output |
| 19:14.33 | zaikxtox | damn |
| 19:14.35 | thewanderer1 | nothing like nlock, it seems |
| 19:14.50 | zaikxtox | no nlockmgr on the server? |
| 19:15.14 | zaikxtox | i'm not by any means a nfs expert. just use it for my freenx clients |
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| 19:15.32 | zaikxtox | and my girlfriend mac at home accessing my notebook |
| 19:15.36 | zaikxtox | let me check |
| 19:15.39 | thewanderer1 | yeah, no nlock* |
| 19:16.03 | thewanderer1 | I also find it strange that there is no mention of rpc.lockd anywhere on the system... was NFS locking silently dropped from Debian? O.o |
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| 19:16.15 | zaikxtox | forget it . me idiot. no problem with the grep |
| 19:16.17 | thewanderer1 | (the only trace in Squeeze is in some Japanese manual page) |
| 19:16.41 | thewanderer1 | so... what should be responsible for locking? |
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| 19:19.36 | zaikxtox | just a question |
| 19:19.38 | ompaul | thewanderer1: the kernel provides locking |
| 19:19.41 | zaikxtox | once 1 client fails on the lock |
| 19:19.47 | ompaul | thewanderer1: what does this do lsof -i :111 |
| 19:19.50 | zaikxtox | every client fails, right? |
| 19:20.01 | thewanderer1 | zaikxtox: every client fails on every lock |
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| 19:20.11 | thewanderer1 | this is not an inter-client conflict |
| 19:20.13 | zaikxtox | from the first to the last? |
| 19:20.17 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: where? |
| 19:20.28 | zaikxtox | server is debian 6? tried using a debian 6 client |
| 19:20.30 | zaikxtox | ? |
| 19:20.34 | thewanderer1 | yeah, all is Squeeze |
| 19:20.43 | ompaul | thewanderer1: on the server side |
| 19:21.04 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: 2 portmaps |
| 19:21.11 | thewanderer1 | UDP and TCP |
| 19:21.18 | jelly-home | blink |
| 19:21.31 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: not the same process?? |
| 19:21.39 | thewanderer1 | oh wait, it's the same PID |
| 19:21.49 | ompaul | ok that we can live with |
| 19:23.22 | ompaul | thewanderer1: what does rpcinfo -p do client and server side pastebin them please |
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| 19:23.58 | ompaul | thewanderer1: there are entries in /proc/fs/nfs/exports I presume |
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| 19:24.24 | ompaul | back in two ... drat |
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| 19:24.42 | thewanderer1 | http://paste.debian.net/118612 |
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| 19:25.35 | thewanderer1 | the entries look fine to me... haven't changed them since they worked |
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| 19:25.47 | thewanderer1 | dunno about the rpcinfo printouts |
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| 19:27.35 | ompaul | thewanderer1: all looks good |
| 19:28.13 | thewanderer1 | perhaps I'll try disabling the firewall, although the settings are intact since yesterday when it was fine |
| 19:28.23 | thewanderer1 | I'll get cut off (bouncer sits here) |
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| 19:29.33 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You can look at the ipmasq howto on tldp.org - I believe he has a script that will implement firewall rules and then revert them if you don't log in and confirm the change within a specified time. |
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| 19:29.52 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: If it's not there, it's in his Trinity project, which should be linked (or ask me). |
| 19:29.57 | Gump | #debian, what can i do to reduce latency on a server i am hosting? it is currently connected wirelessly, would making it a wired connection help significantly? |
| 19:29.57 | michi | I finally made it |
| 19:30.00 | michi | :) |
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| 19:30.29 | michi | the hard part was to realize that GNU Make or debhelper sets up a few environment variables that disturb PMAKE |
| 19:30.32 | jhutchins_lt | Gump: Probably, although if you don't know the reason for the latency it's harder to know if you can fix it. |
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| 19:31.09 | michi | so the correct debian/rules final says MAKETOOL=env -u MAKELEVEL -u MAKEFLAGS -u MFLAGS /usr/bin/pmake DESTDIR=${CURDIR}/debian/bsdmakepscripts _OWN_GRP=root |
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| 19:31.32 | michi | and overrides override_dh_auto_{build,clean,install} |
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| 19:32.27 | stew | michi: you might submit a patch to /usr/share/doc/pmake/README.Debian or somewhere with your findings |
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| 19:34.50 | thewanderer1 | nope guys, it's not the firewall |
| 19:35.30 | thewanderer1 | the symptoms are still the same - any fcntl(F_GETLK) hangs |
| 19:35.53 | ompaul | Gump: smokeping and iperf good tools |
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| 19:36.13 | Gump | thanks ompaul |
| 19:36.37 | michi | stew: I will. BTW I feel the maint-guide has a serious gap in assuming that the makefile of the project contains the targets `clean, install, build' (I think it basically assumes there you have GNU Make + AUTOTOOLS, otherwise you probably have a few declarations in your Makefile and an include statement at the the end) |
| 19:36.40 | ompaul | Gump: read about them - aiui wireless will give you latency more than copper but I have no stats |
| 19:36.56 | michi | so I may propose some amliorations for the maint guide as well |
| 19:37.08 | michi | thanks for your time and help! |
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| 19:37.58 | thewanderer1 | Ubuntu users disable IPv6 and the error message "svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97)" goes away, but I do use IPv6 |
| 19:38.16 | jordanm | michi: GNU make is the only version distributed by debian |
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| 19:39.26 | stew | jordanm: his point is that he has a package which uses pmake not gnu make |
| 19:40.43 | stew | michi: the maint-guide has lots and lots of gaps, and clearly makes some assumptions, its just picking somehting which is familiar to many in order to show you one way of packaging |
| 19:41.31 | stew | michi: there are lots of other ways of building upstream source, there are projects that use cmake, scons, python setup.py, perl Makefile.PL..., there are also lots of other ways to package stuff for debian besides using debhelper |
| 19:43.27 | salvin | who uses terminatorx on sid? |
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| 19:43.43 | streuner__ | nobody |
| 19:44.12 | dbb | hi - I'd like to test some sfwr builds with gcc 4.5+ .. I didnt see a package for that in Debian 6.. is there a straighforward way I can set up a VM with gcc 4.5+ ?? |
| 19:45.46 | thewanderer1 | I'll try using nfs-common and rpcbind instead of portmap from Wheezy |
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| 19:47.05 | michi | well, I undesrtand there is a lot of ways to build software, but porting a software installed by the (cd sourcedir; ./configure; make; make install) mantra should be an easy, robust and well documented procedure |
| 19:47.09 | streuner__ | salvin: just tell us what kind of problems you have... |
| 19:47.18 | michi | unfortunaley it is not |
| 19:47.33 | salvin | streuner__: segmentation fault :) |
| 19:47.40 | stew | salvin: checked the bts? |
| 19:47.46 | streuner__ | salvin: oh, crap |
| 19:47.46 | jordanm | ,versions gcc |
| 19:47.46 | salvin | yes, nothing |
| 19:47.48 | judd | Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.5.2-2; sid: 4:4.6.0-5 |
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| 19:48.01 | dbb | ah ok |
| 19:48.01 | stew | salvin: you should file a bug then |
| 19:48.12 | streuner__ | !segementtation fault |
| 19:48.19 | streuner__ | !segemettation fault |
| 19:48.19 | karlpinc_ | Why does www.debian.org come up with a logo/link to the university of british columbia? |
| 19:48.23 | jordanm | dbb: if they are packages you can use pbuilder. otherwise, you can make a chroot using debootstrap directly |
| 19:48.25 | dbb | (I'm not that great at searching for packages - thanks for the pointer) |
| 19:48.30 | salvin | stew: but doesn't work only for me? |
| 19:48.36 | karlpinc_ | (On an otherwise normal debian page.) |
| 19:48.39 | dvs | !segmentation fault |
| 19:48.40 | streuner__ | dpkg, segmentation fault |
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| 19:49.10 | streuner__ | salvin: thats prolly a hardware issue, RAM... |
| 19:49.17 | dvs | !segmentation faults |
| 19:49.17 | dpkg | segmentation faults are HORRIBLE |
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| 19:49.35 | salvin | streuner__: 4GB :) |
| 19:49.36 | streuner__ | hm, dpkg, doesnt make sense nowadays |
| 19:49.41 | streuner__ | salvin: nah |
| 19:49.53 | karlpinc_ | (Possibly at 206.12.19.7) |
| 19:50.05 | ompaul | karlpinc_: screen shot please |
| 19:50.16 | streuner__ | salvin: its rather an issue, is RAM faulty or not... |
| 19:50.29 | michi | I think I also ported software for debian in 2000 (I just forgot everything about this) and I have recently ported software to FreeBSD or MacPorts and I felt it was much easier (even for mildly weird installation procedures). |
| 19:50.41 | ompaul | karlpinc_: with a red arrow pointing to it (btw is it on the rhs beside ports/architectures? |
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| 19:51.28 | streuner__ | salvin: do you use stable? |
| 19:51.44 | salvin | <salvin> who uses terminatorx on sid? |
| 19:51.51 | streuner__ | ok |
| 19:51.53 | karlpinc_ | ompaul: Uh. Let me figure out how to screen shot (I'm using e16.) |
| 19:52.23 | salvin | i want know if it's a my issue or a package issue |
| 19:52.28 | karlpinc_ | ompaul: No, It's right underneath "Search" in the "first section". |
| 19:52.44 | salvin | who can try it? |
| 19:52.46 | stew | salvin: so file a bug? |
| 19:52.51 | ompaul | karlpinc_: this I got to see |
| 19:53.43 | ompaul | karlpinc_: if you have gimp installed it does screen shots |
| 19:54.15 | stew | karlpinc_: i see it as well |
| 19:54.41 | stew | ompaul: this image: http://www.debian.org/sponsor_img.jpg |
| 19:55.17 | salvin | stew: so everyone is lazy for try it and i must to file a bug? |
| 19:55.22 | salvin | fu...nny |
| 19:55.24 | salvin | :D |
| 19:55.25 | stew | ? |
| 19:55.30 | karlpinc_ | stew: Yes, but distorted by being squeezed horzontally and streched vertically. |
| 19:55.41 | ompaul | stew: that image is not in the same location where it was described ;-) but if it is that then the it is a mirror |
| 19:55.52 | stew | ompaul: it is for me |
| 19:55.58 | streuner__ | salvin: if you dont get any RAM issues, just follow the advice of stew |
| 19:56.15 | ompaul | ahh below the word search not the search box |
| 19:56.28 | ompaul | karlpinc_: that is a mirror that is all |
| 19:56.33 | salvin | is there a normal person here? |
| 19:56.41 | streuner__ | no |
| 19:56.43 | ompaul | salvin: it is irc |
| 19:56.47 | streuner__ | hehe |
| 19:56.54 | stew | salvin: I don't see what someone else trying it and you filing the bug have to do with anything? if i try it and get the problem, you should file the bug. if i don't, you should file the bug |
| 19:57.28 | streuner__ | salvin: there are no normal persons in IRC :-P |
| 19:57.36 | salvin | stew: apt-get install terminatorx && terminatorx |
| 19:57.41 | salvin | on sid? |
| 19:57.58 | ompaul | why run it as root |
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| 19:58.14 | stew | salvin: zsh: command not found: terminatorx |
| 19:58.14 | thewanderer1 | nothing is working, I can't get any locks |
| 19:58.26 | salvin | ompaul: ok, it was an example :) |
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| 19:58.45 | ompaul | thewanderer1: what is in your exports? |
| 19:58.57 | stew | salvin: zsh: segmentation fault terminatorX |
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| 19:59.42 | salvin | stew: ok |
| 19:59.48 | salvin | thanks |
| 19:59.54 | stew | salvin: are you reporting the bug? |
| 20:00.05 | salvin | yes |
| 20:00.34 | stew | thanks. :) if you want extra credit, you should generate a stack trace: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 20:00.42 | salvin | stew: not now, tonight |
| 20:00.55 | streuner__ | luser |
| 20:01.06 | stew | streuner__: ? |
| 20:01.47 | streuner__ | stew: isnt it true? first he asked, and then he didnt do something... |
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| 20:02.39 | stew | streuner__: what? no. and you should know better than to start calling people names in here |
| 20:03.57 | karlpinc_ | stew, ompaul : http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-W4dxb14u.png |
| 20:03.57 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: |
| 20:04.05 | thewanderer1 | crap, stupid numlock enter |
| 20:04.30 | karlpinc_ | ompaul: Mirros are allowed to frob the debian pages? |
| 20:04.39 | zaikxtox | thewanderer1, still locked |
| 20:04.42 | zaikxtox | ? |
| 20:04.58 | thewanderer1 | zaikxtox: more like without locks |
| 20:05.33 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: exports: http://paste.debian.net/118615/ |
| 20:05.58 | thewanderer1 | and I'm mounting /srv/homes/users |
| 20:06.05 | karlpinc_ | Anyway, I want to print a picture. Usually I'd just do it from gimp, but what happens if I send a jpg to the printer from the command line? (I'm afraid to use the last of my ink to try this.) |
| 20:06.46 | stew | karlpinc_: see #595022 ? |
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| 20:07.47 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc_: I would expect that nothing good would happen. Printers don't speak jpg. |
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| 20:08.07 | zaikxtox | looks quite nice |
| 20:08.07 | zaikxtox | to me |
| 20:08.19 | karlpinc_ | stew: Humm. I guess so. Ok. I guess. |
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| 20:09.25 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: Ok. I thought perhaps there was magic. After all, my printer does not speak postscript either but I can send it a postscript file. |
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| 20:10.13 | zaikxtox | thewanderer1, http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2011-03/msg03826.html |
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| 20:10.34 | zaikxtox | you are not that much alone it seems. but still can't give myself an idea |
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| 20:11.51 | salvin | stew: it get a SISSEGV for libstdc++6 |
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| 20:15.24 | streuner__ | salvin: do you know what you playing with? |
| 20:15.32 | streuner__ | salvin: its sid.... |
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| 20:16.08 | stew | streuner__: hasn't he told you this twice already? |
| 20:16.30 | salvin | streuner__: yes, and the sun is yellow |
| 20:17.12 | streuner__ | stew: why do you ask me? |
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| 20:17.34 | stew | streuner__: why do you ask him? |
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| 20:17.49 | stew | streuner__: (since you've already asked this, and gotten an answer) |
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| 20:21.10 | streuner__ | realzies his today, its no good day to start a good day today with stew... |
| 20:22.32 | Black_Prince | I've only realised that it will be a bad day when lesbian calls you in the morning thinking she's pregnant ... |
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| 20:22.43 | streuner__ | haha |
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| 20:23.28 | kabars_edge | Black_Prince: I've actually gotten that call before |
| 20:23.43 | zaikxtox | Black_Prince, never do a favor to a lesbian that wants to be pregnant |
| 20:24.00 | Black_Prince | And how was your day? |
| 20:24.23 | kabars_edge | interesting |
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| 20:25.07 | Black_Prince | Well, depends |
| 20:25.14 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 20:25.25 | streuner__ | lol |
| 20:25.47 | streuner__ | good luck themill in #debian-ot :-) |
| 20:25.50 | hydromet | hello, does anyone know what the -uc and -us options for debuild mean? unless I missed something, the debuild man page doesn't document them other than to list them in the Examples section of the man page |
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| 20:26.08 | Black_Prince | -uc unsigned changelog, -us unsigned source |
| 20:26.31 | stew | hydromet: they are passed through to dpkg-buildpackage, that manpage documents them |
| 20:26.32 | syockit | is iceweasel honoring my .fonts.conf? the monospace font it's using isn't the same as the one given in fc-match |
| 20:26.33 | themill | hydromet: they're dpkg-buildpackage options; debuild take options for the things it calls as well. |
| 20:26.49 | hydromet | thank you themill: |
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| 20:28.02 | syockit | not to mention the subpixel ordering seems strange |
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| 20:29.54 | syockit | I have bad feeling that xulrunner is not compiled with the right flags |
| 20:30.09 | streuner__ | heh |
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| 20:31.21 | streuner__ | syockit: i dont think that iceweasel run better... |
| 20:31.58 | bsund | heh debian is kinda sweet |
| 20:32.17 | dvs | finds it bitter ;-) |
| 20:32.24 | streuner__ | syockit: but just tell the maint if you have any recommends... |
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| 20:35.56 | syockit | I may have to check first if it's rather a problem with upstream |
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| 20:36.09 | streuner__ | sure |
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| 20:36.22 | streuner__ | upsteam solves it first... |
| 20:36.26 | syockit | I think fontconfig was a popular bug in firefox, maybe they haven't fixed it |
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| 20:36.46 | syockit | either something to do with pango or cairo |
| 20:36.52 | syockit | maybe cairo |
| 20:37.48 | Black_Prince | syockit, what iceweasel version are you using? |
| 20:37.49 | syockit | drats, the gsfonts didn't give enough coverage. too bad, urw gothic is very pretty |
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| 20:38.31 | syockit | syockit: um lemme chek. iceweasel 4.0.1-2, xulrunner 2.0.1-2 |
| 20:38.44 | Black_Prince | *shrug* |
| 20:39.10 | Black_Prince | libcairo 1.10.2 comes with applied patches for better font rendering |
| 20:39.24 | michi | I wrote a possible `/usr/share/doc/pmake/README.Debian' and I would like to submit it. Is it okay to just drop a mail to the maintainer of the package or am I supposed to file a bug? BTW the maintainer is the guy who wrote the last entry in the changelog.Debian file, that's right? |
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| 20:39.56 | syockit | Black_Prince: well, it's installed. so I wonder what else it couldn't tackle |
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| 20:40.14 | Black_Prince | But, even with such version, fonts in iceweasel with .fonts.conf are like bad as hell (for me) |
| 20:40.20 | stew | michi: the preferred way would be to file a wishlist bug with the patch as an attachment |
| 20:40.55 | stew | michi: the person that wrote the changelog isn't necessarily the mainatiner, (you can find the maintainer with "apt-cache show packagename" or checking http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename |
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| 20:44.00 | syockit | oh I should check out the license for URW fonts. Maybe I could add all the missing glyphs |
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| 20:46.02 | gnarface | Black_Prince: just out of curiosity, can you post a screenshot? |
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| 20:46.16 | Black_Prince | I don't have .fonts.conf now |
| 20:46.26 | gnarface | oh |
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| 20:47.09 | Black_Prince | I've forgot to backup it when I was reinstalling |
| 20:47.34 | zachtib | Hi, I hope this is an ok place for a packaging question: I have a python app that uses argparse, which is in Python 2.7, so I need either Python >= 2.7 or python-argparse as a dependency. Will this do what I want it to in debian/control? Depends: python, python (>= 2.7.0) | argparse, foo, bar |
| 20:47.58 | zachtib | or is there a better way to go about this? thanks |
| 20:48.05 | MarkG234 | Hi, does anyone know hoe to specifify which port to use for SASL TLS authentication for SMPT in Dovecot 2.x? |
| 20:48.24 | jonesst1 | makr smtp? |
| 20:48.28 | jonesst1 | mark smtp? |
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| 20:48.45 | MarkG234 | smtp, sorry. |
| 20:49.03 | jonesst1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.29 | jonesst1 | i just use 25 to sendmail |
| 20:49.31 | jelly-home | doesn't really know how Dovecot has to do anything with SMTP |
| 20:49.45 | Black_Prince | uses postfix for smtp |
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| 20:49.51 | jonesst1 | jelly-home me neither |
| 20:50.22 | jelly-home | except its MDA can be used with a smtp server |
| 20:50.23 | syockit | gnarface: I'd love to give you a screenshot, but I haven't installed the proper image editing tools on my system yet. maybe later |
| 20:50.28 | MarkG234 | I have been using 25, and it worked just fine before, |
| 20:50.37 | syockit | oh I have gimp! |
| 20:50.58 | MarkG234 | and my Android phone can send mail from it, but my Android Honeycomb tablet simply refuses to, coming up with cryptic SSL errors. |
| 20:51.07 | Black_Prince | Heh, I have gimp too, but I dk how to use it :( |
| 20:51.20 | wols | MarkG234: sasl is a in channel auth mechanism. it uses the same port the smtp connection uses. 24, 465, 587,etc |
| 20:52.17 | jonesst1 | have u updated the firmware? |
| 20:52.41 | jonesst1 | lots of "smart" phones have buggy firmware |
| 20:53.17 | dondelelcaro | MarkG234: what are the cryptic SSL errors? most likely it has to do with not having the right certificate or similar |
| 20:53.34 | wols | MarkG234: tried to go slowly and use plain, non-encrypted mail submission without auth first? then maybe add plain login sasl and then add TLS finally? |
| 20:54.53 | dbb | ok I am confused.. where do I look for wheezy/testing url to add to repos, if I am using osuosl as my main repo ? |
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| 20:55.40 | MarkG234 | The cryptic error I am getting is this: http://i54.tinypic.com/2v9vy50.png |
| 20:55.58 | MarkG234 | W.T.F! |
| 20:56.07 | wols | !tell dbb about testing sources.list |
| 20:56.35 | cheako | Hello, I'm still wondering about the format of /etc/networks/interfaces. There are some options like pre-up, down ect that can be repeated several times. However in my experiance the other options can occur only once. |
| 20:57.10 | twobitsprite | cheako: it doesn't say in 'man interfaces'? |
| 20:57.12 | Black_Prince | MarkG234, This looks like ssl support isn't installed |
| 20:57.20 | wols | cheako: you can run more than one script fore powering up an interface, but it's kinda silly to assign more than one IP to it |
| 20:57.50 | cheako | I'm attempting to identify the most accurate XML representation. |
| 20:57.51 | twobitsprite | wols: well... you can assign a second IP to, e.g., eth0:1 |
| 20:58.00 | wols | twobitsprite: that is not the same interface |
| 20:58.04 | MarkG234 | SSL is definately installed, the same system has a https server, and my other sevices can send mail using TLS. |
| 20:58.07 | twobitsprite | wols: right, not logically |
| 20:58.33 | Black_Prince | Then smtp isn't setup to use tls protocol |
| 20:58.45 | MarkG234 | I'm thinking of going back to dovecot 1.x where things worked :-) |
| 20:58.46 | cheako | twobitsprite: It dosen't say specifically that address for example can appear only once, but my experience is that only one is passed as an environment variable to the other scripts. |
| 20:58.55 | wols | MarkG234: tried a sniffer to check what goes on? |
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| 20:59.03 | themill | MarkG234: are you sure dovecot is even involved in this? |
| 20:59.09 | cheako | Thus setting it multiple times has no effect. |
| 20:59.10 | wols | MarkG234: SMTP has utterly nothing to do with dovecot |
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| 20:59.19 | wols | unless dovecot suddenly became an MTA |
| 20:59.23 | twobitsprite | cheako: right, as wols said, it doesn't make sense to provide more than one IP to an interface |
| 20:59.25 | MarkG234 | I am using SASL |
| 20:59.34 | cheako | twobitsprite: For up/down ect it specifically says these can be used more then once. |
| 20:59.43 | wols | MarkG234: that has nothing to do with dovecot either. just that both, dovecot and postfix can use sasl |
| 21:00.00 | cheako | wols: Correct. |
| 21:00.25 | MarkG234 | so what listens for connections?> |
| 21:00.28 | MarkG234 | Postfix? |
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| 21:00.48 | dbb | I added wheezy to my apt sources list.. how do I ask for wheezy: gcc 4:4.5.2-2 ? |
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| 21:01.03 | wols | for SMTP connection postfix, yes. for imap connections dovecot. if you want to read mail: dovecot. if you want to send mail: postfix |
| 21:01.04 | dvs | ,versions gcc |
| 21:01.06 | judd | Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.5.2-2; sid: 4:4.6.0-5 |
| 21:01.27 | dbb | .. I have to pin the request.. ? |
| 21:01.33 | dvs | dbb: aptitude install gcc-4.5 |
| 21:01.38 | dbb | thx |
| 21:01.41 | wols | dbb: you don't. if you mix squeeze and wheezy bad things happen and you will cry. you won't get any support here either,except "I told you so, now go away" |
| 21:02.01 | dvs | Oh? He's mixing? Bad idea |
| 21:02.04 | wols | ,versions gcc-4.5 |
| 21:02.04 | judd | Package gcc-4.5 on i386 -- sid: 4.5.3-1; wheezy: 4.5.3-1 |
| 21:02.24 | dbb | ok, how do i get a debian with gcc-4.5 |
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| 21:02.45 | wols | dbb: you probably need to run wheezy. but why do you need gcc-4.5? |
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| 21:03.43 | dbb | testing |
| 21:03.44 | syockit | what's the convention here for pasting screenshots? just use imageshack? |
| 21:03.50 | cheako | http://pastebin.com/KJrpFJg3 In my experience for each option name given there is(and can be) only one is exported to the environment. |
| 21:03.57 | wols | syockit: any website will do and give the link |
| 21:04.21 | cheako | This is how the scripts that make use of the address setting for example get that information. |
| 21:04.49 | twobitsprite | cheako: sounds like a reasonable interpretation to me |
| 21:04.57 | wols | dbb: use a chroot, a vm, etc? |
| 21:04.59 | cheako | There is a line some where that says: ifconfig $IFACE $IF_ADDRESS |
| 21:05.45 | cheako | Now I forgot why I was asking.... |
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| 21:07.00 | wols | wonders why cheako is looking into all this in the first place |
| 21:07.02 | dbb | wols- VM of course ;-) |
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| 21:07.20 | syockit | haven't used imageshack for a long time. Now I found out it's turned into a sucky ad-ridden site |
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| 21:07.41 | cheako | The issue I'm working with is indentation. I was storing each option away as an XML attribute, though if I'm interested in storing away indentation this might not be feasible. |
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| 21:08.15 | wols | !tell dbb about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 21:08.45 | wols | syockit: it always was sucky IIRC but I never ever saw ads. why do you? |
| 21:08.49 | syockit | gnarface: enjoy! http://s3.postimage.org/6e6caa5r1/iceweasel_Fontconfig.png . Black_Prince, is yours something like this? |
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| 21:12.01 | syockit | wols: maybe you're a registered user? |
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| 21:12.45 | everythingWorks | hi |
| 21:12.55 | dvs | If everything works, why are you here? |
| 21:13.15 | everythingWorks | I would like to load the latest stable debian version, Is this the correct site: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 21:13.31 | dvs | everythingWorks: Yup, that's the 32-bit version |
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| 21:14.12 | everythingWorks | Why do the cd images all have different sizes? |
| 21:14.24 | dvs | everythingWorks: You only need the first one. |
| 21:14.34 | dvs | if you have an internet connection |
| 21:14.49 | cheako | wols: I'm working hard to ensure the long term maintainability of the /etc/network/interfaces file format. |
| 21:14.53 | everythingWorks | Are the others older versions? |
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| 21:14.58 | michi | stew: I filed a bugreport, thank you for your nice support, it was very useful |
| 21:15.06 | dvs | everythingWorks: yes, in archive.debian.org |
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| 21:15.36 | everythingWorks | There were all last modified on the same date and time |
| 21:15.40 | everythingWorks | they* |
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| 21:15.58 | cheako | I have a wonderful script that converts these files to XML and I'm writing another now that would convert back. Currently working out all the issues that are making the input unequal to the output. |
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| 21:19.33 | dbb | aargh LibreOffice is being updated if I have a Graphical User interface.. *sigh* |
| 21:19.34 | cheako | Can indentation be done with anything other then space and tab? |
| 21:19.47 | hydromet | hello, when I use dpkg to manually install a binary package ".deb" on my Ubuntu system, even though that package has not previously been installed, I still get this in the output on the first line: |
| 21:20.03 | hydromet | Selecting previously deselected package pkgname. |
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| 21:20.13 | cheako | Is there a good representation for mores code? space==dot and tab==long. |
| 21:20.28 | cheako | err space=dot and tab=dash |
| 21:20.40 | cheako | short/long |
| 21:20.42 | hydromet | the install proceeds to install the correct version (from my binary .deb file) but why is there a "selecting previously deselected package" message? |
| 21:20.53 | dondelelcaro | cheako: there are all kinds of whitespace characters |
| 21:21.15 | ompaul | hydromet: dselect is a command ;-) |
| 21:21.24 | cheako | dondelelcaro: Sure, bot haw many of them can be used specifically for indentation? |
| 21:21.28 | cheako | but |
| 21:21.33 | dondelelcaro | cheako: any of them which have non-zero width |
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| 21:21.45 | cheako | ahhh. |
| 21:22.16 | ompaul | hydromet: dselect - Debian package management front-end |
| 21:22.17 | hydromet | ompaul that may be true, but the output on the command-line is written in English as if its a log message "Selecting previously deselected package" |
| 21:22.53 | cheako | I'm drawing a blank here, is the issue Unicode chars? Can the interfaces file have Unicode? |
| 21:23.06 | hydromet | ompaul: "dselect" is the same as "deselected"? I am not so sure |
| 21:23.08 | dondelelcaro | hydromet: because the package wasn't previously selected to be installed |
| 21:23.16 | dondelelcaro | hydromet: thus, it was deselected |
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| 21:23.48 | cheako | I'll just have to base64 it then? |
| 21:24.10 | dondelelcaro | cheako: what in the world are you trying to do? |
| 21:24.55 | hydromet | dondelelcaro that makes sense for the most part but what if I have a package which I'm installing that is not in the index of deselected packages? for example, if I have a package named "dogdoo.deb" and "dogdoo" isn't either selected or deselected because it doesn't exist in a repository like sid -- will the same message appear? |
| 21:25.00 | cheako | dondelelcaro: I'm %90 done. I am trying to find the best way to represent the /etc/network/interfaces file as XML. |
| 21:25.22 | dondelelcaro | hydromet: yes, the same message should appear |
| 21:25.45 | dondelelcaro | cheako: um... why? |
| 21:25.45 | hydromet | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 21:26.09 | cheako | dondelelcaro: Surly some one other then me will find this useful and it's long overdue. |
| 21:26.41 | dondelelcaro | cheako: if you want it to be XML, then you represent the meaning in the XML, not random trivialities such as indentation |
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| 21:28.09 | cheako | Hmm, that's interesting. I'm trying to store away selective parts of the formatting so that the file can be regenerated almost exactly as it was... and in most cases exactly as it was. |
| 21:29.21 | cheako | Unfortunately the indentation is part of the format now, having a tool that removes it would cause complaints. |
| 21:29.57 | dondelelcaro | cheako: sure, but if you're going to use XML, you use XML completely... otherwise there's little point |
| 21:32.29 | cheako | Understood. Having random attributes that are meaningless to %90 of the readers should not be a problem, right? |
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| 21:33.08 | MarkG234 | OK, I decided to go back to old Dovecot (as the 2.x upgrade is when all my problems started). however I can't seem to downgrade it. Does this look correct for a Squeeze system: http://pastebin.com/M5cBb2Hx |
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| 21:33.52 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 21:37.54 | kabars_edge | MarkG234: Yes, that looks fine |
| 21:38.05 | kabars_edge | of course, I've never seen that repo before |
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| 21:38.22 | wols | !tell MarkG234 about partial downgrade |
| 21:38.39 | cheako | I rock, sooo much. |
| 21:38.50 | wols | MarkG234: also check out /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 21:40.02 | cheako | Where should I publish this? |
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| 21:55.28 | pekkis1 | any idea what this means (bitlbee) 00:47 <@root> msn - Warning: Cleaning up MSN (switchboard) connection with unsent messages to : |
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| 21:59.58 | cheako | pekkis1: no. |
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| 22:04.34 | hydromet | hello, after I install a Debian binary package ".deb" with dpkg as in "dpkg -i xyz.deb" does the installation process clone the .deb file somewhere (similar to how apt-get will clone it to /var/cache/apt/archives)? When it comes to uninstalling a Debian package, where does dpkg look on the system to read how to remove it (or purge it)? |
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| 22:07.53 | abdelkhalak | hydromet: "dpkg -i" doesnt copy the package in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 22:08.26 | abdelkhalak | hydromet apt-get and aptitude download packages to that directory |
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| 22:08.39 | hydromet | abdelkhalak: I agree and am aware of this. However, what I'm asking, does dpkg -i copy the package to anywhere else on the system? |
| 22:08.52 | hydromet | similar to /var/cache/archives? |
| 22:09.36 | olebrom | hydromet: no, the /var/cache/apt/archives are only a download folder, and You can clean it to save storage place. |
| 22:09.38 | abdelkhalak | hydromet: it rather extracts the deb and puts it in the appropriate location |
| 22:10.23 | hydromet | abdelkhalak: if dpkg -i doesn't install a copy of the .deb file somewhere on the system, then when it comes to uninstalling (such as dpkg --remove or dpkg --purge), how does dpkg know how to remove or purge if it doesn't have the ability to find the .deb file? |
| 22:10.51 | abdelkhalak | hydromet the deb package is an archive containing data about where to install the binary files that are also includsed with that deb package |
| 22:10.53 | webad13 | I'd like to use zenity to provide user with a blank space to copy the links to be downloaded - is it possible to do it with zenity or should I be looking into something that offers more? |
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| 22:11.48 | olebrom | hydromet: because of /var/lib/dpkg directory... ? |
| 22:12.43 | hydromet | abdelkhalak: indeed, that makes sense. Let's take an example: what if you curl a .deb file from your friend named "dogs_are_cute.deb" and you install it "dpkg -i dogs_are_cute.deb" then you later delete "dogs_are_cute.deb" from the system (such as your home directory). Then you later want to remove or purge dogs_are_cute.deb -- if you've deleted the .deb file from your home directory, what happens? |
| 22:13.09 | olebrom | hydromet: If You run apt-get clean or aptitude clean the /var/cache/apt will be cleaned. |
| 22:13.31 | olebrom | hydromet: The database of which files belongs to which package are in /var/lib/dpkg. |
| 22:13.59 | olebrom | hydromet: And if You install a local .deb-package it will update /var/lib/dpkg, so You can uninstall it later. |
| 22:14.02 | hydromet | oldebrom yes, I understand that too, but if you curl a .deb package from your friend and install it manually with dpkg -i then you won't have to worry about cleaning it from /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 22:15.28 | olebrom | hydromet: /var/cache/apt = download-cache area, cache as in temporary. /var/lib/dpkg=database of installed files |
| 22:16.00 | hydromet | olebrom - got it, thank you, that clarifies things immensely! |
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| 22:17.56 | abdelkhalak | when I type "startfluxbox" or "/usr/bin/fluxbox", I get the error "couldnt connect to x11 server; any hint plz? |
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| 22:20.25 | olebrom | abdelkhalak: I guess You are in terminal mode and have no X running? |
| 22:21.00 | abdelkhalak | olebrom: no i can log using xdm to lxde |
| 22:21.34 | olebrom | abdelkhalak: so You are in gdm and selects fluxbox as session? |
| 22:21.43 | abdelkhalak | olebrom:but when i stop xdm and try to start fulxbox i get this error |
| 22:21.45 | cheako | olebrom: xdm. |
| 22:22.10 | abdelkhalak | olebrom: xdm has no opetion to choose sessions |
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| 22:22.45 | abdelkhalak | olebrom: thanks for trying to helkp |
| 22:22.56 | cheako | abdelkhalak: That's what I was thinking... You could use a script that pops up a dialogue to chose though. |
| 22:23.14 | cheako | I've never done that, but I'm sure it's been done. |
| 22:23.51 | nyov | why not change it in .xinitrc ? |
| 22:23.52 | abdelkhalak | cheako: thanks |
| 22:24.01 | cheako | I've gtg. |
| 22:24.29 | cheako | using startx from the terminal is the ideal solution, to begin with. |
| 22:24.36 | cheako | err console. |
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| 22:24.47 | abdelkhalak | nyov: how? |
| 22:25.10 | abdelkhalak | cheako: startx logs me into lxde :( |
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| 22:25.18 | cheako | Once you find several settings that you like then you can use xdm from there. |
| 22:25.43 | cheako | startx <path to session or window manager> |
| 22:26.03 | olebrom | abdelkhalak: or You can create/update the .xinitrc file as nyov said. |
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| 22:26.07 | nyov | abdelkhalak: http://wiki.debian.org/xinitrc |
| 22:26.12 | cheako | You have to use full path or it is sent as an option to lxde. |
| 22:27.14 | abdelkhalak | noyov:thanks :) i have searched where xdm config file is and i found it's in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config |
| 22:27.34 | abdelkhalak | nyov: i'll try what i can do |
| 22:27.41 | initself | my box is showing 10 GB of memory being used with 'free' |
| 22:27.49 | initself | i can't track down what is using it. |
| 22:28.00 | luke-jr | initself: unused memory is useless |
| 22:28.09 | luke-jr | so Linux always uses it all |
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| 22:33.13 | initself | luke-jr: are you serious? |
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| 22:33.32 | cheako | abdelkhalak: Perhaps all you want is debian alternatives!!! |
| 22:33.56 | luke-jr | initself: yes |
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| 22:34.34 | initself | so i can't accurately use free to determine how much memory is available to my programs? |
| 22:35.00 | dondelelcaro | initself: pretty much, yes |
| 22:35.07 | initself | strange |
| 22:35.24 | olebrom | initself: when You use free there are several columns with info... |
| 22:35.25 | dondelelcaro | normally you'd look at the amount of free+buffer+cache |
| 22:35.32 | dondelelcaro | but even that's not accurate |
| 22:35.45 | initself | is it accurate AT ALL? |
| 22:35.47 | dondelelcaro | initself: it's accurate for what it says |
| 22:36.00 | initself | 9492 MB cached |
| 22:36.02 | dondelelcaro | initself: but it doesn't indicate how much memory your program can actually use |
| 22:36.05 | initself | to me that means 10GB in use |
| 22:36.19 | dondelelcaro | initself: look at the second line. |
| 22:36.28 | initself | nothing there |
| 22:36.33 | initself | -/+ buffers/cache: 316 25870 |
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| 22:36.43 | MrFrood | the cached mem is just speeding the system up |
| 22:36.46 | yassine | hi folks |
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| 22:36.55 | initself | interesting |
| 22:36.58 | dondelelcaro | so... you have 25M or 25G free or whatever is appropriate |
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| 22:37.04 | dondelelcaro | (s/free/trivially freeable/ |
| 22:37.06 | initself | ah! |
| 22:37.10 | initself | dondelelcaro++ |
| 22:37.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell initself -about free ram |
| 22:38.15 | initself | thanks |
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| 22:38.47 | rutski | I'm confused as to how it gets decided if a package goes into contrib or main |
| 22:38.55 | rutski | I get when packages go into non-free, but I don't get when they go into contrib |
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| 22:39.07 | dondelelcaro | rutski: if they depend on something which isn't in main, they go into contrib |
| 22:39.17 | dondelelcaro | (assuming they are DFSG free themselves) |
| 22:39.36 | rutski | dondelelcaro: I don't quite understand what is meant by that |
| 22:39.39 | dondelelcaro | rutski: see Debian Policy §2.2.2 |
| 22:39.49 | rutski | wouldn't help, until it has a solid example |
| 22:39.56 | dondelelcaro | rutski: uh... did you read it? |
| 22:40.00 | rutski | what might be an example of something that's a "dependency that's not in main" |
| 22:40.05 | dondelelcaro | rutski: it has examples... |
| 22:40.11 | rutski | googling for it now, yeah |
| 22:40.16 | MrFrood | !tell rutski about contrib |
| 22:40.42 | rutski | dondelelcaro: 2.2.2 isn't helping |
| 22:40.45 | dondelelcaro | rutski: if your package required a non-free rom to work, for example, or needed to be compiled with a special non-free compiler |
| 22:41.02 | rutski | oh, hmm |
| 22:41.10 | dondelelcaro | rutski: aptitude install debian-policy; zless /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.txt.gz; /2.2.2 |
| 22:41.12 | rutski | or perhaps runs on a non-free scriping language |
| 22:41.15 | rutski | interesting, yeah |
| 22:41.32 | rutski | ah, pycg is in contrib for example |
| 22:41.35 | rutski | ok, this makes sense now :) |
| 22:41.46 | rutski | wah, python2.4-doc is in contrib O.o |
| 22:42.36 | Guest48167 | has anyone had a problem with installing 32 bit google chrome |
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| 22:43.00 | mikygee | I would like help with snmp |
| 22:43.08 | mikygee | how to install MIBs |
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| 22:44.33 | lost_cause | has anyone had this problem before http://pastebin.com/zTik4mr4 |
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| 22:47.27 | rutski | whoa, the netselect-apt program is output a sources.list that uses "stable" as the section name instead of suqeeze |
| 22:47.30 | rutski | isn't that a bit weird |
| 22:47.47 | rutski | I mean, it might cause me to accidentally install debian 7.0 packages when 7.0 goes to stable, no? |
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| 22:49.14 | lost_cause | you could comment out the source that source if you knew which one it was |
| 22:49.24 | yassine | how can i make sure that the new partion i created in the new HDD have exactly the same size as an existing partition in an old device ? |
| 22:49.48 | thewanderer1 | hey, just wanted to tell you that my locking problem is fixed |
| 22:49.57 | thewanderer1 | I just rebooted the server... now I feel like on Windows :P |
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| 22:50.31 | nslutje | How do I update my ARM based device to Squeeze |
| 22:50.45 | lost_cause | has anyone else had this problem before http://pastebin.com/zTik4mr4 |
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| 22:52.51 | thewanderer1 | lost_cause: why are you installing non-free software when you could use a free equivalent from the Debian repo? |
| 22:53.39 | lost_cause | it is free |
| 22:53.46 | lost_cause | that is the .deb download from google |
| 22:54.29 | lost_cause | i downloaded it and was trying to install it and i ran into that problem |
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| 22:56.14 | MrFrood | lost_cause: "non-free" refers to a restrictive licens in this instance |
| 22:57.21 | thewanderer1 | lost_cause: apt-get install chromium-browser |
| 22:57.36 | thewanderer1 | and enjoy a browsing in freedom and peace of mind :P |
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| 23:06.40 | MrFrood | nslutje: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:07.12 | rutski | I'm confused about what squeeze-updates is, and why it's in my sources.list file |
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| 23:08.14 | dondelelcaro | rutski: you mean squeeze/updates ? |
| 23:08.22 | MrFrood | *sigh* |
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| 23:08.45 | MrFrood | !tell rutski about squeeze-updates |
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| 23:09.32 | rutski | dondelelcaro: nope, squeeze-updates |
| 23:09.59 | lost_cause | thewanderer1: thanks it worked |
| 23:10.11 | MrFrood | rutski: read the mesage from dpkg that has opened in another buffer |
| 23:10.21 | rutski | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main <----that's what's in my sources.list |
| 23:10.49 | rutski | MrFrood: I did |
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| 23:10.52 | rutski | I'm still very confused |
| 23:11.04 | rutski | why can't we just have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 23:11.04 | MrFrood | about..? |
| 23:11.07 | rutski | and put everything in there |
| 23:11.33 | rutski | I mean, why do we need 3 separate lines in sources.list: |
| 23:11.36 | rutski | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 23:11.39 | rutski | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 23:11.42 | rutski | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 23:11.55 | dondelelcaro | rutski: because each of those repositories have different rules for how things go into them |
| 23:11.56 | DelTree | for more confusion... there's also squeeze-proposed-updates |
| 23:12.05 | rutski | dondelelcaro: and what those rules are is what I'm confused about |
| 23:12.19 | rutski | also I'm confused about how the packages in each repo inter-relate to each other |
| 23:12.23 | dondelelcaro | rutski: the second is for security updates, the third is for Debian volatile |
| 23:12.31 | rutski | dondelelcaro: ok, so; the security updates one |
| 23:12.40 | rutski | how is it that a package in one repo can update a package in another? |
| 23:13.02 | rutski | does installing a package from the security repo just install the fixed binaries over top of the broken ones? |
| 23:13.11 | dondelelcaro | rutski: if a package has the same name and a later version, it replaces the previous one |
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| 23:13.50 | rutski | dondelelcaro: so then what's the point of the security repo? why not just do the "same name later version" method for giving out security updates |
| 23:13.52 | dondelelcaro | rutski: it's more complicated than that, but basically, yes. |
| 23:14.19 | dondelelcaro | rutski: because security updates change constantly, are embargoed often, and only are updated for security issues |
| 23:14.28 | thewanderer1 | rutski: that is what security repo does, but it doesn't change functionality, cause that would be unstable |
| 23:14.47 | dondelelcaro | rutski: the other repositories are updated for different reasons (bugs, new definitions, etc. in the case of volatile, etc.) |
| 23:14.51 | thewanderer1 | (imagine an admin installing a *security* update only to find that there is 1 insecure option which he doesn't know about and is ON by default!) |
| 23:16.20 | rutski | I'm still pretty lost, some example might help |
| 23:16.28 | rutski | so let's say firefox releases a new minor version |
| 23:16.35 | rutski | that would just go into the main stable repo, right? |
| 23:16.45 | MrFrood | no |
| 23:16.53 | dondelelcaro | rutski: it'd be iceweasel, but no; however, if they relesed a security update, it'd go in security updates |
| 23:17.10 | dondelelcaro | rutski: if there was a major bugfix, we'd backport the bugfix, and it'd go into stable when we release a new point release |
| 23:17.37 | rutski | what exactly is meant by "backport the bug fix"? |
| 23:17.40 | dondelelcaro | rutski: otherwise, if it was a virus definition file or something like spamassassin, where we expect the software to change and sometimes require entirely new versions, it'd go into volatile |
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| 23:18.02 | dondelelcaro | rutski: we take the precise change, and port the fix to work on the version that we release in stable |
| 23:18.21 | dondelelcaro | rutski: which may not be the version that upstream is currently using as their stable release |
| 23:19.01 | dondelelcaro | rutski: see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Debian#Development_procedures et al. |
| 23:19.35 | MrFrood | can't wait to see what happens when rutski finds out about the backports repository... |
| 23:19.51 | rutski | aren't backports just put into the main repo? |
| 23:19.59 | dondelelcaro | rutski: no. |
| 23:20.17 | MrFrood | !tell rutski about bpo |
| 23:20.18 | rutski | so the main repo basically never changes...? |
| 23:20.21 | dondelelcaro | rutski: but why are you concerned about all of this? it's all documented if you want to go into details |
| 23:20.25 | rutski | what does "apt-get upgrade" do then? |
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| 23:20.40 | dondelelcaro | rutski: it'll upgrade to new versions of packages which are available in the repositories you have |
| 23:20.55 | rutski | dondelelcaro: I'm concerned because various debian machines I have, around work and at home, have different sources.list files |
| 23:21.00 | rutski | and I don't know which is "most correct" |
| 23:21.15 | dondelelcaro | rutski: so long as you have squeeze and squeeze/updates, you're fine |
| 23:21.29 | dondelelcaro | everything else depends on what you're trying to do |
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| 23:21.32 | rutski | dondelelcaro: but based on what I've seen here, the main repo basically *doesn't* have new packages |
| 23:21.43 | rutski | oh, right, and this squeeze-updates; I still have no idea what that is |
| 23:21.51 | rutski | so I sort of get what security is for now |
| 23:21.53 | rutski | but not squeeze-updates |
| 23:21.55 | dondelelcaro | rutski: that's what used to be volatile |
| 23:22.07 | dondelelcaro | rutski: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html |
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| 23:22.17 | thewanderer1 | rutski: that should update programs that need to change to be useful, like anti-virus software |
| 23:22.37 | rutski | ah, interesting |
| 23:22.50 | rutski | but such programs are still stored in the main repo? |
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| 23:22.56 | dondelelcaro | rutski: yes |
| 23:22.56 | lost_cause | i found this site very helpfull for added repos and fixing sources.list http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/index.php |
| 23:22.59 | rutski | I'm still confused about how one .deb can be made to "update" another .deb |
| 23:23.12 | dondelelcaro | rutski: that's the whole point. new versions of packages replace older ones |
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| 23:23.31 | rutski | dondelelcaro: oh, wait; so the package that gets put into squeeze-updates has the same package name? |
| 23:23.46 | dondelelcaro | rutski: yes. |
| 23:23.46 | rutski | and, if you have squeeze-updates turned on, your machine will never pull the original one from stable? |
| 23:23.58 | dondelelcaro | rutski: only if there is a newer one in squeeze-updates, yes |
| 23:24.05 | dondelelcaro | (depending on your pinning rules and other settings) |
| 23:24.07 | rutski | interesting |
| 23:24.25 | MrFrood | rutski: foo-1,1,1,deb will be replaced by foo,1,1,2,deb |
| 23:24.51 | rutski | and I'm assuming that as squeeze-updates things change they just get replaced in situ in squeeze-updates, since there's no squeeze-updates-updates, or squeeze-updates-updates-updates |
| 23:24.59 | jhutchins_lt2 | rutski: It's controlled by the version number in the package name. The same name package will upgrade to the highest available version number in any availabale repo, all else being equal. |
| 23:25.09 | rutski | MrFrood: right, I'm just confused about why those can't go straight into stable |
| 23:25.22 | jhutchins_lt2 | rutski: When you add backports, it has a lower priority, so that things will never install from there unless you explicitly request them. |
| 23:25.27 | rutski | MrFrood: I mean, minor version number changes like 1.1.1 -> 1.1.2 are by definition usually just bug fixes, no? |
| 23:26.08 | jhutchins_lt2 | rutski: Packages in stable receive bug-fix and security updates, but don't get new versions just for new features. New features are sent to backports once they've at least reached testing. |
| 23:26.18 | rutski | yet I might not see a 1.1.1 -> 1.1.2 change until the next point release, via this method; and that feels silly |
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| 23:26.25 | rutski | ah, right |
| 23:26.42 | rutski | the whole backports things slipped my mind for a sec |
| 23:26.43 | MrFrood | because on a mission critical system one wants to be very careful about updates of software and hardware |
| 23:26.51 | rutski | yeah, makes sense |
| 23:27.07 | rutski | so you might not actually see your package go from 1.1.1 -> 1.1.2, but you might still see some of the bug fixes as a pack port |
| 23:27.09 | jhutchins_lt2 | rutski: Remember that a debian-patched package with a 1.1.2 version number is not the same as the upstream package with that version, and a lower number debian package may in fact have more bug fixes than a higher number upstream. |
| 23:27.12 | rutski | *back port |
| 23:27.27 | rutski | indeed |
| 23:27.39 | jhutchins_lt2 | rutski: The package version will allways be advanced somewhere. |
| 23:27.42 | MrFrood | that why nasastill has 1970's mini computers running 1970's ssoftware |
| 23:28.09 | rutski | MrFrood: heh, sounds fun |
| 23:28.16 | rutski | actually it really does :) |
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| 23:29.08 | MrFrood | rutski: the voyager missions |
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| 23:34.08 | iateadonut | i'm making an image magic object with a url like this: $M08 = new Imagick($logoURL); - but debian appends the root directory of the server to the url. |
| 23:35.09 | abrotman | in what language? |
| 23:35.19 | cheako | perl. |
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| 23:36.31 | rutski | I'd be curious to be able to browse http://security.debian.org/ in the same way that I can browse http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/ |
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| 23:37.25 | cheako | file indexes? |
| 23:37.29 | iateadonut | php |
| 23:38.22 | abrotman | see! |
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| 23:38.38 | cheako | yes. |
| 23:40.11 | abrotman | iateadonut: so what is the value, and what do you actually want? |
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| 23:40.43 | rutski | Ok, now this isn't making any sense; I'm looking at the following two files: |
| 23:40.50 | rutski | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 23:40.57 | rutski | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 23:41.05 | rutski | so one is from squeeze, and one is from squeeze-updates |
| 23:41.19 | rutski | I'm looking at the respective entries for "Package: clamav" in both files |
| 23:41.21 | abrotman | he's sharp! |
| 23:41.28 | rutski | but I'm noticing that they both point to the same deb |
| 23:41.31 | rutski | in pool |
| 23:41.35 | rutski | and have the same version numbers |
| 23:41.40 | abrotman | rutski: less enter key please |
| 23:41.45 | abrotman | judd: versions clamav |
| 23:41.46 | judd | Package clamav on i386 -- lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-volatile: 0.97+dfsg-2~lenny1; squeeze: 0.97+dfsg-2~squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 0.97+dfsg-2~squeeze1; sid: 0.97+dfsg-2; wheezy: 0.97+dfsg-2 |
| 23:42.14 | abrotman | did 6.0.2 happen ? |
| 23:42.36 | dvs | I didnt get an email |
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| 23:42.44 | abrotman | you first on the list? :) |
| 23:43.05 | dvs | No, an insider! ;-) |
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| 23:43.15 | rutski | I'm still confused about how the clamav in both squeeze and squeeze-updates can have the same version number :( |
| 23:43.37 | rutski | how does it know to install the squeez-updates one over the top of the squeeze one if it can't differentiate the two by version number? |
| 23:43.46 | sven^ | Does Debian have some advanced security features for /tmp? |
| 23:43.49 | cheako | rutski: ~lenny1 != ~squeeze1 |
| 23:44.09 | rutski | cheako: squeeze: 0.97+dfsg-2~squeeze1; |
| 23:44.12 | rutski | cheako: squeeze-updates: 0.97+dfsg-2~squeeze1; |
| 23:44.16 | abrotman | squeeze: 0.97+dfsg-2~squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 0.97+dfsg-2~squeeze1; |
| 23:44.19 | rutski | I don't see ~leenny1 anywhere |
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| 23:44.38 | cheako | sven^: I've configured that, where evey user get's a private folder. |
| 23:44.41 | cheako | lenny-volatile sorry. |
| 23:44.42 | iateadonut | i'm getting this error: unable to open image `/home/dan/public_html/clickaboutme.com/public/sigbox/http:/shoreline.eng.ohio-state.edu/research/exomars2009/exomars2009_files/NASA_Logo.gif' - it's prepending the document root to $logoURL |
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| 23:46.24 | abrotman | iateadonut: and on other PHP installations, it works? |
| 23:46.31 | sven^ | cheako: sorry, my question was stupidly unspecific. When I have a setuid-program writing a symlink in /tmp it can still only write to files belonging the user executing it althought it could actually write to other files, too. Debian seems to be the only distribution where that happens and I could not find out why, yet |
| 23:46.40 | iateadonut | yes, but on a local server. |
| 23:46.49 | iateadonut | and on a different distro. |
| 23:47.10 | iateadonut | but the imagick on debian is php5-imagick, while on the test server, it's php-imagick |
| 23:47.43 | iateadonut | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4373596 |
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| 23:48.20 | cheako | sven^: SHOULD happen that way on all systems, else there is little reason for setuid. |
| 23:48.41 | rutski | why is it that the default squeeze install has my eth0 in /etc/network/interface set to "auto-hotplug" instead of just "auto" like I'm used to? |
| 23:48.51 | rutski | I don't quite even know what hotplug is, I've gota say :( |
| 23:48.53 | cheako | The typical solution is to not mark any stupid program setuid. |
| 23:49.07 | cheako | though I'm sure apparmor could do something about that. |
| 23:49.36 | abrotman | rutski: man interfaces |
| 23:49.48 | cheako | I'm not saying it has to be that way, I'm saying it seams like it should be that way. |
| 23:49.53 | sven^ | cheako: no. If I do $ ln -s /etc/motd /tmp/foo; # chmod 4755 /bin/touch; $ touch /tmp/foo (FAILS) while it works if I create the link as root |
| 23:49.57 | rutski | abrotman: yeah, I know; it'll go up with --auto=hotplug as a command line arg to ifup |
| 23:49.59 | rutski | but when does that happen |
| 23:50.14 | rutski | and will something break if I change "auto-hotplug eth0" to just "auto eth0"? |
| 23:50.38 | sven^ | in my opionion this is not the expected behaviour, is it? The actual owner of the symlink should not matter concerning permissions of the target file, should it? |
| 23:51.23 | cheako | sven^: I didn't think symlinks had to have an owner, the owner and perms should always reflect the target. |
| 23:52.55 | sven^ | they do have owner/group but I think they are not important. So If I do ln -s /etc/motd /home/sven/foo && touch /home/sven/foo, it works with my setuid touch belonging to root (as expected). But if I do ln -s /etc/motd /tmp/foo && touch /tmp/foo it fails.. |
| 23:53.19 | sven^ | and afair this only happens in debian (tried gentoo, centos, redhat) |
| 23:53.31 | cheako | On my system trying to chown a symlink results in only effecting the target, though it's clear the owner of the symlink is keept separate. |
| 23:53.35 | sven^ | maybe it is some security feature... |
| 23:56.07 | sven^ | but then I want to know it's name ;) |
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| 23:56.46 | cheako | I'd look at apparmor, that's at least one place where path matters. |
| 23:56.56 | deever | i'm trying to build icedove, but get the following error: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/399182/ |
| 23:56.59 | deever | what's the issue here? |
| 23:57.04 | Arrick | hey all, whats wrong with this syntax? useradd -M -G www-data -d /var/www -s /sbin/nologin arrick_ftp -p passwordhere |
| 23:57.26 | Arrick | if I use that will the user not be allowed to login via ftp? |
| 23:57.33 | dondelelcaro | Arrick: use adduser, not useradd, and never specify a password on the commandline |
| 23:57.49 | rutski | still not getting why there's a clamav duplicate in squeeze-updates :-p |
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| 23:58.44 | Arrick | dondelelcaro, it doesnt like it when I use the adduser |
| 23:59.00 | Arrick | ahh, unknown option -M |
| 23:59.20 | dondelelcaro | rutski: it was uploaded to squeeze-updates, then updated to squeeze when we did a point release |
