| 00:00.44 | Arrick | dondelelcaro, if I want to create a user who can login via ftp, but not login as a regular user, or over ssh, what would the syntax be? |
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| 00:01.15 | Arrick | I want the user to be jailed in /var/www to be specific when it logs into vsftpd |
| 00:01.53 | cheako | I think it would be cool to understand better the process of maintenance tasks like making a point release. |
| 00:02.14 | cheako | Are there logs of such events, like the build logs for packages? |
| 00:03.44 | dondelelcaro | cheako: yes, see the Changelog |
| 00:04.30 | dondelelcaro | though that just indicates that something was done, not necessarily why it was done |
| 00:04.39 | rutski | dondelelcaro: wait.. what exactly is a point release? |
| 00:04.50 | dondelelcaro | rutski: 6.0.1 is a point release of 6.0 |
| 00:04.55 | rutski | I think I was mistakenly thinking it was a 5.0 -> 6.0 type of thing |
| 00:04.57 | rutski | ahh |
| 00:05.03 | rutski | will 6.1 ever happen? |
| 00:05.11 | dondelelcaro | maybe, but probably not |
| 00:05.27 | cheako | eject -i 0 /dev/sr0; eject -i 1 /dev/sr0; eject -i 0 /dev/sr0; eject /dev/sr0; # My kernel is seriously this messed up. |
| 00:05.36 | dondelelcaro | it's up to the release managers what they name things |
| 00:06.33 | rutski | ah |
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| 00:11.00 | Al3xG0 | how do I filter the ips that are sending syn packets? |
| 00:11.20 | dvs | Al3xG0: iptables |
| 00:11.46 | dvs | http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 00:12.02 | Al3xG0 | I just want to see the IPs who are sending |
| 00:12.16 | Al3xG0 | I do not want to know the filter ips |
| 00:12.48 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:12.58 | ranix | tcpdump |
| 00:13.00 | dvs | <Al3xG0> how do I filter the ips that are sending syn packets? |
| 00:13.34 | rutski | what does the "squeeze1" mean in something like 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze1 |
| 00:13.41 | rutski | whereas sometimes you see squeeze2 isntead |
| 00:13.51 | dvs | rutski: security updates |
| 00:13.59 | rutski | is it a 6.0.1 vs 6.0.2 thing? (because I'm setting squeeze2 in places, but I don't think 6.0.1 is out yet) |
| 00:14.04 | rutski | ahh, gotcha |
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| 00:14.55 | Al3xG0 | ranix and also the syn tcpdump filters? |
| 00:15.59 | ranix | you don't appear to know enough about networking to ask the questions you need to ask to get the information you're looking for |
| 00:16.31 | ranix | maybe you can be more specific as to what exactly you're trying to do? |
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| 00:28.32 | MONEYTALKS | Hello. I don't know if anyone can help me on this, but I'll try anyway. I got oidentd installed on my debian, and now all my eggdrops got the same ident@. How can I change that? |
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| 00:30.28 | HanClinto | Ugh -- I fear I'm breaking my server. |
| 00:30.31 | rutski | so, I finally got this down as my sources.list: |
| 00:30.31 | rutski | http://codepad.org/MAU3orel |
| 00:30.37 | HanClinto | I have an Etch install that I'm trying to upgrade to Squeeze |
| 00:30.44 | rutski | any objections or ideas? |
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| 00:31.07 | HanClinto | I updated my sources.list, added the new gpg keys, and things are acting broken when I do apt-get update / upgrade. |
| 00:31.19 | dondelelcaro | HanClinto: upgrade to lenny, then upgrade to squeeze |
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| 00:31.30 | HanClinto | aaaah, good idea |
| 00:31.31 | HanClinto | Thanks |
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| 00:32.41 | dvs | rutski: why line 2? |
| 00:32.50 | HanClinto | dondelelcaro: Just to confirm, the way that I do that is to change my sources.list to point to lenny, and then do apt-get update / upgrade? Or do I have to do dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:33.55 | rutski | dvs: same reason as line 3? |
| 00:34.20 | dvs | rutski: I'd comment it out. |
| 00:34.25 | rutski | dvs: why? |
| 00:35.23 | dondelelcaro | HanClinto: you start with that, but you read the release notes for the complete set of instructions |
| 00:35.27 | dvs | rutski: those are packages that are destined for Debian 6.0 but not officially in |
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| 00:36.35 | rutski | ahh, hmm; http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.html |
| 00:36.37 | rutski | interesting, yeah |
| 00:37.16 | rutski | well if they're destined to get installed in a point release anyway, then what's the harm of getting them early? |
| 00:37.36 | rutski | aren't they vetted in proposed-updates first? so they should be safe |
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| 00:37.52 | dvs | rutski: they may not make it to the final release because something came up in testing. |
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| 00:38.06 | rutski | interesting |
| 00:38.23 | rutski | so they get two rounds of testing, one in proposed-updates and then another in squeeze-updates? |
| 00:38.36 | rutski | also, I should mention that the squeeze installer gave me squeeze-updates in my sources.list by default |
| 00:39.19 | rutski | wait... so what if my system gets a package via squeeze-updates, but then that package is found to have a bug? |
| 00:39.31 | rutski | and the update is abandoned altogether |
| 00:39.43 | VidTheKid | hi, i'm trying to install a java runtime environment. i've tried installing the package openjdk6-jre, but it indirectly depends on a couple of packages that seem to be missing from the mirror i chose when installing debian. i've tried installing the package sun-java6-jre, but apt-get tells me that one doesn't seem to exist at all |
| 00:39.52 | rutski | does it get uninstalled from my system ever? |
| 00:39.53 | dvs | rutski: yes, that's what I'm saying. |
| 00:40.10 | rutski | dvs: but you could say the same for a security fix |
| 00:40.15 | dvs | rutski: no, it doesn't get uninstalled |
| 00:40.28 | rutski | dvs: a security fix might be found to be wrong, and might have to be revoked, and we'd have the same situation; no? |
| 00:40.43 | rutski | or I guess they'd just patch it, not remove it |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | VidTheKid: which version of Debian? did you aptitude update first? |
| 00:40.50 | dondelelcaro | rutski: if the fix was wrong, we release a new version which updates it |
| 00:40.55 | rutski | gah, so then why did the squeeze installer put squeeze-updates in there by default? :-p |
| 00:41.03 | rutski | dondelelcaro: indeed, yeah; that just clicked |
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| 00:42.09 | VidTheKid | i think it's the first stable release of squeeze, downloaded a few months ago. and i haven't updated aptitude, as that task didn't occur to me |
| 00:42.29 | dondelelcaro | dvs: that's not what squeeze-updates is for |
| 00:43.02 | dondelelcaro | dvs: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html |
| 00:43.45 | dvs | oh! |
| 00:49.12 | rutski | I'm leaving in squeeze-updates then :) |
| 00:50.30 | dvs | rutski: so what problem do you have |
| 00:50.52 | rutski | no problem, just trying to learn my way around what the system puts into sources.list by default |
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| 00:51.10 | rutski | I have various machines with different sources.list configs, and I don't know how they all go to be that way, and to be so different |
| 00:51.27 | rutski | so I'm just getting my head wrapped around things to unify them; like a spring-cleaning sort of thing |
| 00:51.33 | rutski | no real point, but you do it when you're bored :-p |
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| 00:53.55 | Ratty | Is there a way to grab a package from the squeeze repo and nothing else? Keeping that one package unstable but the rest stable |
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| 00:54.25 | daemonkeeper | Squeeze is stable, you're aware? |
| 00:54.25 | dvs | Ratty: try backports first |
| 00:54.36 | daemonkeeper | No, dvs. |
| 00:54.44 | daemonkeeper | Ah |
| 00:54.46 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 00:54.50 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:54.52 | Ratty | Pardon I meant sid |
| 00:54.53 | daemonkeeper | Sorry, its late :) |
| 00:55.11 | abrotman | !tell Ratty about ssb |
| 00:55.17 | Ratty | I would like to grab the roundcube 0.5.2 version compared to the sid |
| 00:55.25 | dvs | Ratty: You asking for one packages from unstable and leave the rest in stable, right? |
| 00:55.28 | daemonkeeper | So yes, the right answer is a) look about a backpot, b) do a backport yourself c) try apt-pinning. In this order |
| 00:55.39 | Ratty | okay |
| 00:56.06 | daemonkeeper | abrotman told you about b) right before |
| 00:56.15 | Ratty | Okay thanks |
| 00:57.03 | VidTheKid | it seems i now have a working jre; thanks |
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| 01:13.23 | BCMM | if i apt-get remove foo, what happens to packages that depend on foo? |
| 01:13.54 | stew | BCMM: they also get removed |
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| 01:14.03 | stew | BCMM: you can use -s for "simulate" to see what would happen |
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| 01:16.05 | BCMM | stew: thanks |
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| 01:32.19 | wooster | i was wondering if it would be possible to drop in a different libc on debian other than gnu libc? |
| 01:32.31 | wooster | i'd like to create a debian distro that has no GNU software |
| 01:32.36 | wooster | to shut RMS up |
| 01:35.14 | dondelelcaro | wooster: not easily, and it's not really a goal that most anyone in Debian is going to share |
| 01:35.46 | wooster | that's okay |
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| 01:43.09 | Arrowmaster | wooster: debian doesnt use glibc |
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| 01:44.00 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: it's still gnu? |
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| 01:45.31 | Arrowmaster | its still licensed under the gpl, but i dont think its considered an official gnu project like glibc is? |
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| 01:46.08 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:47.41 | Arrowmaster | well if it was an official gnu project it would be hosted on gnu.org wouldnt it |
| 01:48.26 | Arrowmaster | which is what im guessing is what wooster ment, it would be rather impossible to remove all gpl licensed code from the distro |
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| 01:49.27 | wooster | why is that? |
| 01:49.48 | wooster | the main stuff that is GNU is emacs, gdb, gcc and glibc |
| 01:49.58 | wooster | there are easy replacements for emacs, gdb and gcc |
| 01:50.01 | wooster | i don't care about GPL |
| 01:50.11 | wooster | i just want a distro with linux but not GNU/ |
| 01:50.19 | Arrowmaster | there are some other things that will be harder |
| 01:51.17 | akerl | wooster: It's called GNU/linux for a reason... |
| 01:52.13 | Arrowmaster | actually i think it would be impossible to make a debian based distro without anything from http://www.gnu.org/software/software.html |
| 01:52.41 | wooster | i think there are non-gnu replcaements for a lot of that |
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| 01:55.30 | Raptors | can you use -march=native/-mtune=native with make? |
| 01:55.33 | Raptors | if so how |
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| 02:02.28 | chrissbx | I've written the stable Debian live image (~600MB) to my 8G flash stick using cat .. >/dev/sdb which seems the right thing (it appears as a partition table with an MSDOS partition); but booting on my HP NC2400 makes it say: |
| 02:02.44 | chrissbx | "Non-system disk or disk error" and at first |
| 02:03.03 | chrissbx | "Missing operating system". |
| 02:03.05 | chrissbx | So..? |
| 02:03.07 | somiaj | cdimages don't boot the same as usb images -- look for a usbstcik image. |
| 02:03.22 | abrotman | somiaj: uhm, the squeeze images are hybrid images |
| 02:03.24 | chrissbx | It's supposed to be a USB image |
| 02:03.44 | chrissbx | hm. At least I thought so. |
| 02:03.45 | somiaj | abrotman: ahh my mistake. |
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| 02:07.08 | chrissbx | file says: debian-live-6.0.1-i386-rescue.img: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xe, starthead 0, startsector 1, 1236991 sectors, code offset 0x31 |
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| 02:09.04 | chrissbx | I've never had USB booting work on first try. What a b0rken technology. |
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| 02:09.50 | bvk | hi, is there a cmdline tool to set a JPG as desktop background? |
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| 02:10.21 | dvs | chrissbx: I've never had problems with the new hybrid iso images. |
| 02:10.25 | Arrick | whats a good helpdesk ticket system for running on debian with apache2? |
| 02:10.27 | bvk | Other than, xsetroot, hsetroot and gsetroot |
| 02:10.41 | abrotman | Arrick: do you care about the db backend ? |
| 02:10.54 | Arrick | abrotman, not really, as long as it remains free |
| 02:11.15 | abrotman | Arrick: we looked at request-tracker and otrs |
| 02:11.17 | chrissbx | bvk: display -window root file |
| 02:11.26 | Arrick | you have a link abrotman ? |
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| 02:11.40 | abrotman | Arrick: apt-cache search request-tracker ? |
| 02:11.45 | chrissbx | bvk: note that if you're running gnome, it runs that file manager by default that puts a layer above the X backgroud |
| 02:11.46 | Arrick | ahh ok |
| 02:11.53 | chrissbx | bvk: so you won't see the above |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | i think the package is request-tracker3.6 now |
| 02:12.33 | stew | 3.8 |
| 02:12.46 | chrissbx | bvk: nautilus, that is; I've dpkg-divert'ed it so that I run gnome w/o nautilus |
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| 02:13.50 | chrissbx | bvk: but I'm sure there's a gnome tool to set the bg in nautilus, too (maybe gconf cmdline tools) |
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| 02:14.51 | chrissbx | dvs: well, that's nice that it works for you, it doesn't for me.. and I got no idea why except that it must be my laptop. |
| 02:15.17 | dvs | That's what I'm beginning to think. |
| 02:15.37 | chrissbx | so I'm gonna burn a plain old cdrom I guess, luckily that laptop has got a drive |
| 02:16.18 | chrissbx | BTW when I said that USB booting never worked for me out of the box, I didn't imply that was always on this laptop. |
| 02:16.28 | chrissbx | In fact this was the *first* time I tried booting this laptop from usb. |
| 02:16.48 | chrissbx | All the other about 8 cases were on other laptops, desktops, netbooks. |
| 02:17.45 | chrissbx | Although admittedly this was before squeeze, with various ways to turn cd images to usb format. |
| 02:18.21 | chrissbx | But I think it is save to say that I'm right when I exclaim USB booting technology to just be broken. |
| 02:18.27 | chrissbx | safe |
| 02:20.14 | Arrick | abrotman, do i need to install mysql or anything before that is installed? |
| 02:20.41 | abrotman | Arrick: are you using the Debian packages? |
| 02:20.46 | Arrick | yeah |
| 02:21.01 | abrotman | shuld pull in what it needs i would think |
| 02:21.04 | Arrick | ok |
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| 02:21.52 | abrotman | Arrick: if you want a specific backend, specify it when you install it .. it has numerous |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | (for request-tracker3.80 |
| 02:22.03 | Arrick | you mean like apache? |
| 02:23.22 | abrotman | no .. like sqlite, postgresql, mysql |
| 02:23.45 | Arrick | ok |
| 02:24.03 | Arrick | im using the default, easiest for now...w ant to work with it so Ic an demo it next week |
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| 02:28.09 | Arrick | ok... now to get it to work.... is there a port it works with? |
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| 02:29.33 | abrotman | i'm sure it has docs .. /usr/share/doc/request-tracker3.8/ ? |
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| 02:30.03 | gentgeen__ | I seem to be having issue with using (or understanding) the stickybits. I want everything created under a directory "test" to have same owner and group as directory "test" |
| 02:30.22 | gentgeen__ | I seem to have the "group" part right, but the owner part is not working for me |
| 02:30.36 | csow | I have a problem with vsftpd when I login it does not give me a prompt after I type the password I dont get the command prompt back it just sit there |
| 02:30.45 | gentgeen__ | drwsrwsr-x 2 www-data allebach 4096 Jun 1 22:25 test |
| 02:30.55 | dvs | gentgeen__: I think the sticky bit will be the persion who creates the file. |
| 02:34.37 | Arrick | abrotman, yeah, there isnt a doc called config, its all about porting and NEWS... now I need to figure out why my apache is blowing up because it wont start now. |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | Arrick: if you 'a2dissite' that rt site, does it work again ? |
| 02:35.23 | Arrick | I dont even know what site was added at this point, lol |
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| 02:36.21 | Arrick | it says the site doesnt exist. |
| 02:36.29 | abrotman | Arrick: ls /etc/apache2/sites-available/ ? |
| 02:36.47 | Arrick | default and default-ssl |
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| 02:38.15 | abrotman | Arrick: is there a symlink somewhere? |
| 02:38.21 | Arrick | how do I check? |
| 02:38.59 | abrotman | ls /var/www/ ? |
| 02:39.07 | Arrick | ls /var/www |
| 02:39.09 | Arrick | grr |
| 02:39.10 | Arrick | sorry |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | not here! |
| 02:39.18 | abrotman | !ls |
| 02:39.19 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 02:39.33 | Arrick | not one in there. |
| 02:40.17 | abrotman | nothing at all ? |
| 02:40.24 | Arrick | nope only my resume site. |
| 02:40.37 | Arrick | no links to anything that i didnt physically put there. |
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| 02:42.26 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/request-tracker3.8/README.Debian ? |
| 02:43.11 | Arrick | yea, how do I unzip it? |
| 02:43.13 | Arrick | its a gz |
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| 02:46.03 | Arrick | reading it now. |
| 02:50.23 | abrotman | Arrick: zless foo.gz |
| 02:50.36 | Arrick | got it |
| 02:50.40 | Arrick | googlefoo to the rescue |
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| 02:58.21 | sacredchao | I just upgraded my packages in sid and Pidgin now refuses to connect to my XMPP servers with error message: |
| 02:58.23 | sacredchao | Server does not use any supported authentication method |
| 02:59.00 | manchot | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.02 | sacredchao | It's likely either an issue with SSL libraries or pidgin package itself |
| 02:59.16 | manchot | which command to tell the kernel virutualization? |
| 02:59.34 | sacredchao | manchot: What does 'uname -ra' say? |
| 03:00.00 | manchot | 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 22:14:55 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:00.45 | sacredchao | Nothing identifiable as virtualised.... sorry not sure |
| 03:01.02 | sacredchao | I know Xen but not openvz |
| 03:01.14 | manchot | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.21 | sacredchao | ach so |
| 03:01.24 | manchot | so this is Xen? (from another vps) |
| 03:01.24 | sacredchao | there you are. |
| 03:01.36 | manchot | sacredchao, thank you |
| 03:01.47 | sacredchao | Ah, well, if xen is in the kernel image title then yes it is xen |
| 03:03.02 | sacredchao | The other one might be openvz, I don't know... could be Xen too, seeing as generic 2.6.32 kernels work as domUs |
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| 03:03.40 | sacredchao | (as long as distros enable domU operation at compile time) |
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| 03:06.34 | chrissbx | Well wow. I've now tried a ubuntu live cd image put to another usb flash drive with unetbootin and that boots on the nc2400 just fine. |
| 03:07.17 | chrissbx | But the debian live image, neither when written to the drive directly (/dev/sdd) nor when written using netbootin just like I did with ubuntu, |
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| 03:07.40 | chrissbx | will make the laptop exclaim "missing operating system" |
| 03:07.52 | chrissbx | So it's in fact not a problem with the laptop but with Debian? |
| 03:08.13 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: is this lenny (5.0) or squeeze (6.0)? if you want to prepare bootable usb just by writing the normal iso to the disk, you can only do that with squeeze or newer |
| 03:08.44 | chrissbx | debian-live-6.0.1-i386-rescue.img |
| 03:09.01 | chrissbx | hm |
| 03:09.18 | chrissbx | written from a system running squeeze, too |
| 03:09.37 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: that should probably work. how did you write it to the disk? also, you can try the iso-hybrid image |
| 03:09.38 | chrissbx | but now that you mention, unetbootin is broken in squeeze, I ran into this earlier, |
| 03:09.43 | chrissbx | slaps head |
| 03:09.44 | Hydroxide | the "hybrid" means it also works on us |
| 03:09.46 | Hydroxide | *usb |
| 03:09.51 | Hydroxide | people probably test that one more nowadays |
| 03:10.28 | chrissbx | At first I did just cat ...img >/dev/sdd |
| 03:10.33 | Hydroxide | that should work |
| 03:10.38 | chrissbx | didnt. |
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| 03:10.43 | Hydroxide | try it with the iso-hybrid version |
| 03:10.51 | Hydroxide | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.1-i386-rescue.iso |
| 03:11.00 | chrissbx | k |
| 03:11.43 | Hydroxide | as I said, I can believe that the usb-hdd live image might potentially be broken, in which case it's a bug in that. (note that it's built differently from the installer, and bugs would be different too. and you can also easily customize your own live image using the tools) |
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| 03:21.08 | csow | vsftpd does not change to a dir after a login it seems to hang after typing the password |
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| 03:24.02 | chrissbx | csow: active ftp and firewalling issue? |
| 03:24.12 | chrissbx | note that FTP is pretty much obsolete |
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| 03:24.34 | csow | I dont have a firewall |
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| 03:25.44 | chrissbx | I'd strace the daemon process to see, or check whether the daemon has a debug mode, or in any case check /var/log/daemon.log or wherever it writes to |
| 03:26.01 | chrissbx | (I've used proftpd in the past, not vsftpd) |
| 03:26.18 | jonez | greetings. I did some searching and I was not able to find anything about this.. I am using debian squeeze and I need to set up an 2nd ethernet, statically configured. I did a hand-edit of /etc/network/interfaces but that did not work (says unknown interface eth1=eth1) |
| 03:26.39 | jonez | I'm sure it's something simple I've missed. |
| 03:26.56 | chrissbx | what's the name of the interface? look at ifconfig -a |
| 03:27.23 | jonez | chrissbx, ifconfig -a lists eth1, but it's not "up" |
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| 03:28.05 | jonez | I can do an 'ifconfig eth1 up' but it does not have an ip address. |
| 03:28.17 | chrissbx | your interfaces file should have the line "iface eth1 inet static" then the lines for address etc. |
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| 03:29.05 | jonez | chrissbx, I have that, but when I run 'ifup eth1' I get "Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1." |
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| 03:29.54 | chrissbx | hm. Does your file contain a mapping directive? |
| 03:30.00 | jonez | no |
| 03:30.00 | chrissbx | (Forgot what it's called.. checking) |
| 03:30.07 | jonez | do I need one? |
| 03:30.21 | chrissbx | no, but it would have explained the error |
| 03:30.46 | chrissbx | can you post your file? (to some paste service or so) |
| 03:30.56 | jonez | is there someplace other than /etc/network/interfaces where I need to tell the system about eth1? |
| 03:31.01 | jonez | ya, I can do that. hold on. |
| 03:31.07 | chrissbx | not really. |
| 03:31.35 | chrissbx | if you're happy that it's called eth1 and this is stable across reboots, then no |
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| 03:34.24 | jonez | chrissbx, I got it sorted.. I messed up my scp comment. |
| 03:34.28 | jonez | s/comment/command/ |
| 03:34.36 | chrissbx | aha |
| 03:35.02 | jonez | chrissbx, ty for the help |
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| 03:35.55 | chrissbx | np |
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| 03:39.11 | chrissbx | Hydroxide: wow, that image works out of the box. So it's a bug with the other, right, should I report it? |
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| 03:42.13 | chrissbx | Hm, I was hoping these rescue live images would have stuff to rescue things? |
| 03:42.20 | chrissbx | Like, fdisk or cfdisk at least.. |
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| 03:42.52 | chrissbx | ah, not in PATH of the user. |
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| 03:44.06 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: yes, you can probably report a bug against live-build or email debian-live@lists.debian.org |
| 03:44.16 | chrissbx | ok |
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| 03:44.49 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: the manual for debian-live is here: http://live.debian.net/manual/ |
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| 03:46.00 | chrissbx | thanks! |
| 03:46.06 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: and according to http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/bugs.html you should probably use live-boot as the package to report against since it's a boot-time issue, or email the mailing lis and they'll help you. |
| 03:46.19 | Hydroxide | np |
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| 03:47.28 | wols_ | csow: while you don't have a firewall, you most probably have a NAT router. and whoever uses your ftp has a NAT router at his end too |
| 03:48.09 | wols_ | chrissbx: there are USB-HDD and there are USB-CDROM boot methods. and often the BIOS doesn'ttell you which it uses. |
| 03:49.25 | chrissbx | wols_: hm, I did check the bios when it didn't boot, and I choose between PXE and RPL, whatever that means, and with/without usb legacy support, |
| 03:49.27 | chrissbx | nothing worked. |
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| 03:50.07 | wols_ | PXE and RPL has nothing to do with USB. those are ways to boot over the network |
| 03:50.13 | chrissbx | But I don't know whether that covers switching between USB-HDD and USB-CDROM (which I don't know nothing about either) |
| 03:50.20 | wols_ | and usb legacy support is for support of usb keyboards |
| 03:50.30 | chrissbx | aha |
| 03:50.36 | csow | wols yes I have a router but how the problem could be the router vsftpd asks for username and password after I type the password it does not proceed to log me in |
| 03:51.21 | Arrick | anyone here using the request-tracker3.8? I am stuck on http://www.arrick.org/rt right now... |
| 03:51.43 | wols_ | csow: cause data in ftp sessions is transferred in a totally moronic way. login is not data but control. /msg dpkg ftpmustdie |
| 03:51.45 | chrissbx | csow: I suggest you read the FTP wikipedia page, that should explain it |
| 03:52.20 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: passive ftp works around some of ftp's weirdness. so do firewalls/routers with ftp connection tracking. it is a pretty crappy protocol. |
| 03:52.26 | Hydroxide | err |
| 03:52.28 | Hydroxide | that was for csow |
| 03:52.30 | Hydroxide | not you :) |
| 03:52.55 | wols_ | his problem is that he'S using passive ftp, but that the router doesn't do tracking :) |
| 03:53.11 | Hydroxide | aah |
| 03:53.14 | Hydroxide | crappy indeed |
| 03:53.20 | Hydroxide | wasn't studying that closely |
| 03:53.41 | wols_ | csow: do you absolutely need ftp and can't use sftp and http? |
| 03:54.23 | wols_ | Arrick: the helpful error message tells you what to do,no? |
| 03:55.29 | csow | no I can use those other protocols it is just I have used ftp for so long and it has worked in the past without much work |
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| 03:56.34 | csow | plus my isp does not block ftp but they do for http |
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| 04:01.18 | chrissbx | What's charon, and why does it have UDP *:bootpc open just like dhclient (both at the same time, how is that even possible?) |
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| 04:03.06 | chrissbx | hm seems part of ipsec. |
| 04:03.22 | chrissbx | For my taste the live image has got a bit too many services running really. |
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| 04:04.25 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: that's just one of many possible images. the prebuilt image is just an example, you can build your own with live-build (see that manual for how) |
| 04:05.20 | chrissbx | good, yeah I know (have never done it though). |
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| 04:07.09 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: I have once or twice, it works nicely. also if you are looking for a sysadmin toolkit livecd, oriented toward things like rescue and forensics, you can consider grml (http://grml.org/) but use their support channels/methods, not #debian :) they are based on debian and have some Debian developer(s) in their core team. |
| 04:07.19 | Hydroxide | (though again they're not strictly debian) |
| 04:07.39 | chrissbx | I've actually used grml for like 5 years, |
| 04:07.43 | Hydroxide | cool |
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| 04:07.49 | chrissbx | but have figured I should try Debian live now:) |
| 04:07.56 | Hydroxide | debian live is quite nice, indeed |
| 04:08.11 | Hydroxide | I often use it for things like seeing if debian will run nicely on someone's computer before installing |
| 04:08.34 | Hydroxide | which these days is usually "yes, unless it has really new hardware chipsets, though sometimes firmware is needed" |
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| 04:09.30 | wols_ | how does debian live deal with firmware? special cds as well? |
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| 04:09.59 | Hydroxide | wols_: I'm not sure how the prebuilt images do. I forget if it includes them or not. as I impled to chrissbx, you can certainly include the firmware in live images you build. |
| 04:10.13 | Hydroxide | or any other .debs or scripts |
| 04:10.15 | Hydroxide | or anything |
| 04:10.39 | Hydroxide | i.e. it's designed customizably |
| 04:10.53 | ectospasm | is that even a word? (-; |
| 04:11.13 | ectospasm | aspell doesn't agree |
| 04:11.15 | Hydroxide | ectospasm: customizably? yes. is ectospasm? :) |
| 04:11.45 | ectospasm | NaOH is powerful stuff |
| 04:11.48 | ectospasm | OT |
| 04:11.53 | Hydroxide | :) |
| 04:13.06 | wols_ | my pretzls aren't powerful, just tasty |
| 04:13.28 | JasonWoof | when I hit "u" in aptitude, and I get the hash mismatch thing, aptitude forgets about all uninstalled packages |
| 04:14.25 | JasonWoof | I'm concerned about the client side issue (not the fact that there is a hash mismatch, but the way it's handled) |
| 04:14.46 | JasonWoof | aptitude (or is it apt?) should not delete the old list of available packages when it fails to download a new version |
| 04:15.21 | chrissbx | I'm still always using apt instead of aptitude, and have never seen what you're talking about, so it must be an aptitude thing. |
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| 04:16.01 | JasonWoof | if I quit aptitude, and run "apt-get update" every 10 minutes until it finally succeeds, then when I open up aptitude again, it's as normal |
| 04:16.02 | chrissbx | Well. Except if that's just because I never had a hash mismatch error. |
| 04:16.27 | chrissbx | What's the error exactly? |
| 04:16.36 | chrissbx | Maybe you've got faulty hardware, sounds a bit like it. |
| 04:16.44 | JasonWoof | but if I do the update in aptitude a second time after the failure, it then forgets which packages are new. So later when the update actually succeeds, aptitude tells me there are ~30,000 new packages |
| 04:17.14 | JasonWoof | W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch |
| 04:17.30 | JasonWoof | and also: |
| 04:17.33 | JasonWoof | W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 04:18.00 | chrissbx | hm, I sometimes had these or maybe other errors when, I think, mirror servers are only partially updated or so |
| 04:18.01 | ectospasm | chrissbx: apt-get is a frontend to apt, just like aptitude. AFAIK you don't use apt directly |
| 04:18.17 | chrissbx | ectospasm: ok, I use apt-get and apt-cache |
| 04:18.34 | JasonWoof | chrissbx: yeah, I've read that this is due to mirrors being partially updated. |
| 04:18.43 | ectospasm | chrissbx: yes, and I use aptitude. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. |
| 04:19.01 | chrissbx | JasonWoof: so, apt-get / apt-cache have never been confused because of this for me. |
| 04:19.17 | chrissbx | Sounds like an aptitude bug. |
| 04:19.18 | JasonWoof | not being able to "apt-get update" for 30 minutes isn't a big deal. But having apt/aptitude/apt-get delete my repository for this time is really frustrating |
| 04:20.10 | chrissbx | ectospasm: actually I'm using a couple trivial wrappers around apt-{get,cache}, so that I have less to type and nicer auto completion. |
| 04:20.24 | chrissbx | i.e. aptinstall for apt-get install, aptsearch for apt-cache search. |
| 04:20.52 | ectospasm | I do stuff like that with aliases |
| 04:21.16 | chrissbx | I did in the past, moved to scripts to save memory in the shells. |
| 04:21.29 | ectospasm | I just prefer aptitude because it handles broken package installs better |
| 04:21.41 | chrissbx | (Also, for consistency with calls from other programs.) |
| 04:21.43 | ectospasm | chrissbx: memory is not at a premium for me. |
| 04:22.15 | chrissbx | Yeah the latter point is actually more important. |
| 04:23.28 | ectospasm | I mainly use an alias for "aptitude update && aptitude {safe,full}-upgrade" |
| 04:23.59 | chrissbx | (But the memory thing is the reason I'm not using the Debian-provided bash init files; they take up more than a MB, multiply * 100 shells or so, then it matters) |
| 04:24.35 | ectospasm | you have 100 shells open? |
| 04:24.49 | chrissbx | Not always, but often. |
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| 04:25.12 | ectospasm | I've got 13 here, and I thought that was excessive. |
| 04:25.17 | chrissbx | I'm doing almost everything in the shell. I'm not a gui guy. |
| 04:25.58 | chrissbx | And I keep many of them open for specific tasks. I've got 10 workspaces for different purposes, |
| 04:26.00 | ectospasm | I do most stuff in the shell too, but browsers are nearly useless without a GUI |
| 04:26.08 | chrissbx | and on each a couple shells. |
| 04:26.20 | chrissbx | (and "couple" can grow to many sometimes) |
| 04:26.25 | ectospasm | chrissbx: I do the workspace thing, plus screen |
| 04:26.50 | chrissbx | I prefer individual windows, M-tab works consistently for me then. |
| 04:26.58 | ectospasm | chrissbx: what WM do you use? |
| 04:27.20 | chrissbx | (I'm using urxvt instead of gnome-terminal, too, to save memory per window and since I want individual windows anyway) |
| 04:27.31 | JasonWoof | aptitude has a bazillion bug reports open |
| 04:27.58 | chrissbx | (and since I much prefer a separate process for each terminal, for proper environment inheritance, and crash independence) |
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| 04:28.07 | chrissbx | ectospasm: VM? |
| 04:28.20 | JasonWoof | how is rxvt these days? |
| 04:28.22 | chrissbx | Debian on the bare metal, if that's what you mean. |
| 04:28.38 | ectospasm | chrissbx: Window manager, GNOME/KDE, GNUstep, WindowMaker, AfterStep, Awesome, Xmonad... |
| 04:28.39 | chrissbx | I like it, it does everything I need just fine. Never gets in the way. |
| 04:28.41 | JasonWoof | I dumped it for gnome-terminal because I got really frustrated about them becoming unusable if I accidentally output binary data |
| 04:29.24 | chrissbx | JasonWoof: hm? Never have that problem I think; you do know about the "reset" command, right? |
| 04:29.26 | ectospasm | chrissbx: is urxvt easy to set up like gnome-terminal? I don't want to have to learn yet another configuration file syntax. |
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| 04:30.04 | JasonWoof | chrissbx: yeah, reset didn't always work. this was rxvt though, not urxvt |
| 04:30.11 | chrissbx | ectospasm: I'm using gnome nowadays, except I've disabled nautilus and changed default terminal to urxvt. |
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| 04:30.48 | chrissbx | JasonWoof: ah, I've never used rxvt without u, I need unicode :) |
| 04:30.52 | ectospasm | chrissbx: I have fallen in love with XMonad. I went from GNOME to Awesome (briefly), and XMonad is a dream. |
| 04:30.58 | chrissbx | (well, if that's the only difference) |
| 04:31.14 | chrissbx | yeah I'll try xmonad when I find time, some time. |
| 04:31.26 | ectospasm | chrissbx: you'd find a tiling window manager suits your usage nicely |
| 04:31.54 | kfogel | I just installed squeeze amd64 onto a laptop. I've edited /etc/apt/sources.list to use the string "testing" instead, and done an 'aptitude update', but now when I do 'aptitude dist-upgrade', I get a huge dependency mess in which it proposes to remove many important things (like gnome!). I keep turning down resolution proposals, but I never get to one that looks okay. Anyone know a good solution to this kind of situation? |
| 04:32.04 | ectospasm | Awesome seemed a bit buggy to me, kinda straddling both the floating world and the tiling world. |
| 04:32.31 | stew | kfogel: try with a safe-upgrade first |
| 04:32.35 | kingsley | Is there any reason to not consider replacing eth0 on a Linux computer with a bridge (br0)? |
| 04:32.49 | ectospasm | kingsley: depends on why you need the bridge. |
| 04:33.09 | kfogel | stew: wow, never heard of that, thanks! |
| 04:33.31 | kfogel | stew: it *might* be relevant that before I did the dist-upgrade, I did 'aptitude install subversion' b/c I needed to check some stuff out. |
| 04:34.20 | kingsley | ectospasm: OK, my understanding is that a bridge would allow a virtual computer to talk to its host. |
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| 04:35.12 | kfogel | stew: wow, it looks like its cycling through dependency resolution possibilities, trying to find one that is "safe" (meaning, I guess, does not remove anything). Interesting. |
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| 04:35.21 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 04:35.28 | chrissbx | kingsley: depends on which kind of virtual computer; linux-vserver doesn't need a bridge for that |
| 04:35.39 | kingsley | ectospasm: However, if anyone is aware of any risks caused by replacing eth0 with br0 (a bridge), please let me know. |
| 04:35.41 | ectospasm | kingsley: oh, you mean for a VM? I use a bridged adapter so my VMs get an IP address on my usual LAN, instead of a sandbox within the host computer. |
| 04:35.44 | man_in_ltop | anyone here use cups over a wireless lan? |
| 04:36.12 | man_in_ltop | my shared printer is not appearing on this laptop |
| 04:36.12 | wols_ | man_in_ltop: ask the real question |
| 04:36.23 | man_in_ltop | wols_, i'm leading up to it :P |
| 04:36.37 | man_in_ltop | server is running debian unstable with cups 1.4.6 |
| 04:36.39 | wols_ | so you're wasting our time? nice job |
| 04:36.58 | wols_ | more time wasting! /msg dpkg sid |
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| 04:37.29 | wols_ | as a short test: telnet <cups host> 631 |
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| 04:37.56 | chrissbx | kingsley: it's at least an additional layer of complexity, and actually I think it's quite costly in terms of cpu at least if the bridge involves several real network interfaces |
| 04:38.12 | man_in_ltop | wols_, if i wanted your sort of attitude, i'd be using gentoo |
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| 04:38.32 | kingsley | chrissbx: I'd like to run an x86 Linux OS in a virtual machine on a Debian host. I've been using Qemu and kqemu. |
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| 04:38.57 | chrissbx | kingsley: I don't know about the overhead in this case, never used it for that. |
| 04:39.11 | man_in_ltop | i'm just upgrading to the latest cups packages now |
| 04:39.36 | chrissbx | I guess it's a bit like using LVM: if you've got a use for it or suspect you might need it soon, go for it, otherwise why bother with the extra layer |
| 04:40.13 | pishguy | hi all whats my script problem : http://paste.debian.net/118636/ |
| 04:41.02 | wols_ | !tell pishguy about errors |
| 04:41.38 | pishguy | wols_: update-alternatives: error: alternative path /lib/plymouth/themes//.plymouth doesn't exist. |
| 04:41.59 | wols_ | pishguy: isn't that kind of self explanatory? |
| 04:42.49 | kingsley | chrissbx: I wasn't aware that bridges with several real network interfaces can use a lot of CPU. |
| 04:42.52 | pishguy | wols_: i cant use number=$((RANDOM%11)) in shell script. that's my problem. |
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| 04:43.10 | wols_ | kingsley: stuff has to be copied from one physical interface to another |
| 04:43.10 | chrissbx | kingsley: I don't know how much, I just remember having read about that |
| 04:43.20 | chrissbx | kingsley: I've never had a high volume usage case |
| 04:43.47 | wols_ | pishguy: your problem seems to be a path doesn't exist. not a random number |
| 04:44.16 | pishguy | wols_: how to repair it ? |
| 04:44.20 | man_in_ltop | pishguy, that's probably because your /bin/sh is actually dash, not bash |
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| 04:44.27 | wols_ | you create the non existing path? |
| 04:44.28 | ectospasm | wols_: he's not calling the arithmetic expression correctly, hence the incorrect path |
| 04:44.36 | man_in_ltop | that too |
| 04:44.45 | pishguy | wols_: Oh!! how to correct script ? |
| 04:44.48 | man_in_ltop | does dash have $RANDOM anyway? |
| 04:45.20 | jmarsden | number=$(($RANDOM%11)) might be more sane? |
| 04:45.22 | man_in_ltop | no, it doesn't :) |
| 04:45.24 | kingsley | wols_: Perhaps then one could say that extra CPU is used when there's more than one physical interface, rather than necessarily with a bridge. |
| 04:45.28 | chrissbx | kingsley: I think the problem is that for bridging to work, all the interfaces have to be in promiscous mode, so that the kernel can forward ICMP packets etc., and that means it has to deal with many more packets than otherwise |
| 04:45.46 | ectospasm | pishguy: turn /bin/sh to /bin/bash |
| 04:46.21 | pishguy | ectospasm: ok. but bash commands dont work. |
| 04:46.21 | kingsley | chrissbx: Oh. |
| 04:46.47 | ectospasm | pishguy: what do you mean? |
| 04:46.47 | pishguy | ectospasm: sorry: sh commands can't running |
| 04:47.00 | ectospasm | pishguy: that still doesn't make any sense |
| 04:47.18 | pishguy | ectospasm: http://paste.debian.net/118636/ is my script |
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| 04:47.57 | pishguy | ectospasm: my only problem is i dont generate random number on script |
| 04:49.05 | pishguy | ectospasm: how to generate random number in this script? |
| 04:49.06 | ectospasm | pishguy: yes, the construct $((RANDOM%11)) is invalid for sh/dash. You need to set this, for bash: $(($RANDOM%11)) |
| 04:49.35 | jmarsden | I thought I suggested that earlier... :) |
| 04:50.20 | ectospasm | jmarsden: even $(($RANDOM%11)) won't work for /bin/sh (dash) scripts |
| 04:50.25 | pishguy | ectospasm: after setting in bash update-alternatives cant know that variable |
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| 04:50.51 | ectospasm | pishguy: that does not make any sense. |
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| 04:51.04 | ectospasm | pishguy: unless sudo doesn't use bash |
| 04:51.12 | jmarsden | pishguy: Try http://paste.debian.net/118637/ |
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| 04:52.18 | ectospasm | I'm always a little leery of calls to sudo in a script. You should just run the entire script as root |
| 04:52.50 | ectospasm | too many snafus going in and out of root shell with sudo |
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| 04:53.27 | chrissbx | ectospasm: hm, but doing as little as possible as root is a good (or better?) idea, too |
| 04:53.33 | wols_ | well, one needs to tell sudo to use the parents' environment and of course one needs to export the env variable |
| 04:54.46 | chrissbx | ectospasm: actually I'm always a little leery of scripts that run under sudo, especially if all their security bugs run as root as well :) |
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| 04:55.16 | pishguy | ectospasm: :) Thanks. how to running it in startup debian? /etc/init.d/rc.d |
| 04:55.34 | Gryllida | hi, can debian bugs be removed from bug tracker if they're invalid, or access closed for unidentified users? |
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| 04:56.42 | ectospasm | chrissbx: well, if the script needs to have root privileges, you're screwed either way (-; |
| 04:58.24 | chrissbx | Well it's like programming: |
| 04:58.37 | chrissbx | best is if you can reduce the functionality to a set of *small* functions, |
| 04:58.56 | chrissbx | and choose which ones need root, thus configure sudo for those. |
| 04:59.04 | chrissbx | Then build the rest on top of that. |
| 04:59.43 | chrissbx | It's better to configure sudo for 5 calls that each can be verified to be secure, instead of 1 call that you can't. |
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| 05:00.04 | pishguy | ectospasm: how to running it in startup debian? /etc/init.d/rc.d |
| 05:00.28 | ectospasm | chrissbx: yes, but that doesn't follow the path of least resistance. Not saying that it's more secure, just more convenient. |
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| 05:01.22 | pishguy | after installing SAINO MOBILE DIGITAL MDTV RECIVER in ubuntu with kaffeine i dont have any audio. why? |
| 05:01.36 | chrissbx | If you want to run the whole thing as root, I'd personally suggest using perl instead (I guess python etc. work too) |
| 05:01.43 | ectospasm | pishguy: add your script to /etc/init.d, and use update-rc.d to add it to /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 05:01.55 | chrissbx | I just had too many cases of bash not really behaving as I expected. |
| 05:01.59 | ectospasm | pishguy: this is a Debian channel. |
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| 05:02.23 | ectospasm | chrissbx: example? |
| 05:02.48 | chrissbx | Last example was a script I ran from a resume hook for OSS4 |
| 05:03.19 | chrissbx | it did a cd to the OSS4 /dev dir, then ran chown / chmod -R operation |
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| 05:03.29 | chrissbx | to give the devices the right user/group or so. |
| 05:03.45 | chrissbx | I ran it in an if clause in parens, |
| 05:03.50 | chrissbx | like if ( .... ); then |
| 05:04.03 | chrissbx | and within the parens, I "set -eu" to stop on error. |
| 05:04.27 | chrissbx | So I had "if ( cd /dev/oss4 ; chmod -R ....; chown -R ... ); then ..." |
| 05:04.33 | chrissbx | seems safe, right? |
| 05:04.43 | ectospasm | no |
| 05:04.49 | chrissbx | Then at one point I had a kernel that didn't have oss4. |
| 05:05.02 | ectospasm | I'd use short circuit logical and (&&) instead of ; |
| 05:05.05 | chrissbx | And that script wrecked everything under /root/ :) |
| 05:05.09 | pishguy | ectospasm: update-rc.d rnd.sh >>> usage: update-rc.d [-n] [-f] <basename> remove |
| 05:05.11 | chrissbx | Well now tell me why "no". |
| 05:05.31 | chrissbx | sorry, forgot the set -eu above actually |
| 05:05.42 | chrissbx | "if ( set -eu; cd /dev/oss4 ; chmod -R ....; chown -R ... ); then ..." |
| 05:05.58 | chrissbx | Even this doesn't stop if /dev/oss4 doesn't exist. |
| 05:06.19 | chrissbx | Because bash decides to just *ignore* the set -e setting when in an if clause. |
| 05:06.25 | ectospasm | you could test for existence, [ -d /dev/oss4 ] |
| 05:06.41 | chrissbx | Of course I could, but that's prone to a race condition you know? |
| 05:07.13 | chrissbx | What I wrote above seemed like totally clean and idiomatic and safe. Except it wasn't because bash ignores the setting in that context. |
| 05:07.38 | ectospasm | chrissbx: well, you could do it implicitly with the logical and like I suggested. if cd /dev/oss4 fails (silently in this case), you don't execute the rest of the subshell |
| 05:08.21 | chrissbx | ectospasm: yes && would work in this case (well, *would it?*, are you *sure*?....:) ) |
| 05:08.34 | pishguy | ectospasm: update-rc.d rnd.sh >>> usage: update-rc.d [-n] [-f] <basename> remove |
| 05:08.46 | ectospasm | pishguy: ask a QUESTION |
| 05:08.58 | chrissbx | ectospasm: but why would I need to if set -e is supposed to do the same effect? |
| 05:09.25 | ectospasm | chrissbx: I dunno, I don't use set -e, doesn't sound like it'd do the same thing. |
| 05:09.26 | chrissbx | ectospasm: set -e is cleaner since if I forget to use a &&, it's still safe to fail. Except if bash has a special case. |
| 05:09.36 | pishguy | ectospasm: i couldnot use update-rc.d for my_script.sh |
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| 05:09.53 | ectospasm | pishguy: so report the toplevel error, or at least the entire error |
| 05:10.04 | ectospasm | pishguy: in pastebin |
| 05:11.05 | jollybob | Hi all. What is the bash command for checking the file system of a partition? I have to check if I made my raid array ext3 or 4.. |
| 05:11.10 | pishguy | ectospasm: http://paste.debian.net/118638/ |
| 05:11.37 | chrissbx | jollybob: file -s /dev/XXX |
| 05:11.50 | jollybob | chrissbx, ty! |
| 05:12.24 | chrissbx | That's just "command line", not bash, tho :) |
| 05:13.13 | ectospasm | pishguy: update-rc.d yourscript defaults OR update-rc.d start NN runlvl... |
| 05:13.15 | jollybob | chrissbx, so you mean that command will work on all *nix shells? |
| 05:13.25 | ectospasm | !tell pishguy to RTFM |
| 05:14.02 | chrissbx | jollybob: it is completely independent from any shell, you could run it from C or Python or the Gnome command window etc. |
| 05:14.07 | ectospasm | !tell pishguy abot RTFM |
| 05:14.13 | ectospasm | !tell pishguy about RTFM |
| 05:14.29 | pishguy | ectospasm: ok . thanks. rc5.d is startup level ? |
| 05:14.48 | wols_ | !tell pishguy about runlevels |
| 05:15.01 | ectospasm | thanks wols_ I'm all thumbs tonight |
| 05:15.09 | jollybob | chrissbx, sweet! Thank you for that! Really appreciate the follow up info |
| 05:15.24 | chrissbx | jollybob: so the answer to "work on all *nix shells" is: it will work as long as you can call it :). i.e. it won't work on a Unix computer that doesn't have "file" installed |
| 05:15.54 | jollybob | exactly - I understand |
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| 05:16.23 | chrissbx | (But actually "file" is a very old command and probably very widespread.) |
| 05:16.30 | jollybob | ..didn't know that these calls can be made by programming languages though -- nice tip |
| 05:16.34 | ectospasm | chrissbx: does urxvt highlight URLs so they're clickable (meaning I don't have to highlight the link and paste it into my browser)? |
| 05:17.05 | chrissbx | ectospasm: nope. Double click then middle click to chromium works fine for me, tho :) |
| 05:18.05 | chrissbx | ectospasm: well, urxvt comes in two versions, "rxvt-unicode-lite" and "rxvt-unicode", |
| 05:18.12 | chrissbx | I'm using the lite version. |
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| 05:18.37 | chrissbx | So the full version may well have it, and that also has some scripting language bindings so you could even write it yourself I guess. |
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| 05:21.24 | chrissbx | For me the most important thing was really that I can start a new terminal from within a terminal and it is in its own process, and actually a child process (nothing of that IPC and server stuff of the newer "bloat terms"). |
| 05:24.07 | chrissbx | ectospasm: here's the .Xresources entries, and the "term" wrapper I'm using: http://paste.debian.net/118639/ |
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| 05:25.03 | wols_ | there is rxvt, urxvt, mrxvt, I wonder if there is murxvt... |
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| 05:25.17 | chrissbx | wols_: rxvt-unicode{,-lite} |
| 05:25.26 | chrissbx | ah "there", sry |
| 05:25.31 | chrissbx | I thought you asked "where". |
| 05:26.47 | wols_ | just joking. have you ever looked how many different rxvt packages there are? |
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| 05:28.43 | chrissbx | ectospasm: that script has a dependency on Chj::singlequote; I've posted a new version with the link to that file here: http://paste.debian.net/118640/ |
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| 05:29.08 | chrissbx | (at the bottom, line 67) |
| 05:29.14 | wols_ | now this one's funny: rxvt-unicode - RXVT-like terminal emulator |
| 05:29.55 | chrissbx | wols_: yes I've noticed the various versions when I was evaluating it a couple years ago. |
| 05:30.14 | jollybob | is ifconfig not used by debian? |
| 05:30.20 | wols_ | jollybob: it is. |
| 05:30.34 | jollybob | only for root? |
| 05:31.04 | wols_ | no. but only root has it in its path |
| 05:32.02 | chrissbx | (I decided that urxvt does all I need (or does it best) pretty quickly; so that doesn't mean the others are no good.) |
| 05:32.27 | jollybob | hmm, is it not in the /usr(/ocal)/bin? |
| 05:32.58 | chrissbx | jollybob: /sbin |
| 05:33.12 | jollybob | oh - |
| 05:33.37 | chrissbx | Actually I'm setting up my normal user accounts to have the sbin paths, too, for exact this reason. |
| 05:33.54 | chrissbx | exactly* |
| 05:35.09 | jollybob | what is the reason for having system binaries in a separate dir? |
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| 05:36.02 | chrissbx | I guess so that people who really don't need to bother about system admin stuff don't accidentally have those commands in their completion. |
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| 05:36.26 | jollybob | so it would be safe to add it in my path? |
| 05:36.34 | chrissbx | yes |
| 05:36.38 | jollybob | cheers! |
| 05:37.17 | chrissbx | Add them at the end of the path. |
| 05:37.49 | chrissbx | So that if for some reason a command with the same name, but for users, is being introduced, it has priority. |
| 05:37.52 | kingsley | Can an ethernet interface simultaneously be a gateway AND a bridge? |
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| 05:39.24 | jollybob | chrissbx, did that, but thanks for making me understand why I should have done it :) |
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| 05:41.22 | wols_ | kingsley: yes |
| 05:41.33 | wols_ | it's a normal interface like any other |
| 05:42.03 | kingsley | wols_: Thank you. |
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| 05:44.11 | man_in_ltop | ok, so now i have another fun problem |
| 05:44.32 | wols_ | !sid |
| 05:44.32 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; . Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 05:44.40 | man_in_ltop | i've used dosfslabel on an sd card, but thunar isn't picking up the label |
| 05:45.05 | man_in_ltop | if i mount it, it ends up being /media/\r |
| 05:45.06 | JohnWittle | Is there any easy way to keep my users from running certain programs? |
| 05:45.09 | man_in_ltop | lots of fun |
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| 05:45.20 | JohnWittle | For instance, I want a couple of my users to be able to run rtorrent, but not others. |
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| 05:46.52 | wols_ | JohnWittle: create a new group for rtorrent and add the users you want to run it. then change rtorrent binary's group to the group you created and disable the world executable flag |
| 05:46.58 | wols_ | !tell JohnWittle about permissions |
| 05:47.23 | JohnWittle | wols_: of course, i hadn't even thought about that. |
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| 05:48.40 | JohnWittle | wols_: thank you |
| 05:48.52 | man_in_ltop | ok, gparted has fixed it |
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| 05:51.04 | man_in_ltop | i see the problem now, i believe |
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| 06:01.21 | nvictor | wow! |
| 06:01.28 | nvictor | i just needed a screen ruler |
| 06:01.38 | nvictor | i did an apt-cache search and found kruler |
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| 06:02.04 | nvictor | now there is a bunch of stuff that comes with it for a total of 200mb and other things will be uninstalled |
| 06:02.08 | nvictor | please advise |
| 06:02.11 | wols_ | lets hope your dpi setting is correct |
| 06:02.23 | wols_ | !tell nvictor about bat |
| 06:02.27 | nvictor | wols_: it is |
| 06:02.32 | nvictor | wols_: i hope it is |
| 06:02.43 | nvictor | wols_: i think it has to deal with gnome vs. kde |
| 06:02.56 | vingian | hey guys |
| 06:03.27 | vingian | i installed chromium from the unstable repos and immediately ran into a problem |
| 06:03.32 | nvictor | hey vingian |
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| 06:04.15 | vingian | i.e. pages don't finish loading - it loads the page partially - the sort of freezes and then the kill page dialog appears and i have to kill it |
| 06:04.41 | vingian | I also installed the google-chrome browser from google but the same thing happens there too |
| 06:04.51 | vingian | anyone else here face something like this? |
| 06:05.53 | nvictor | well |
| 06:06.02 | nvictor | never download a beta software |
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| 06:06.16 | nvictor | i learned that the hard way with windows :) |
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| 06:07.51 | nvictor | vingian: does the problem occur with the default browser too? |
| 06:08.15 | vingian | nvictor: you mean firefox? |
| 06:08.21 | wols_ | vingian: are you running squeeze and installed chromium frm unstable? |
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| 06:09.32 | vingian | wols_: I am not sure. But I believe the answer is yes. I do recall changing my repos at one time |
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| 06:10.30 | man_in_ltop | ok |
| 06:10.37 | man_in_ltop | my problem looks like a bug in dosfslabel |
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| 06:10.45 | man_in_ltop | mkfs.vfat's -n option worked for me :) |
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| 06:10.58 | wols_ | vingian: congratulations. by mixing sid and squeeze you hosed your debian installation. good luck next time |
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| 06:11.17 | wols_ | ,versions chromium |
| 06:11.17 | judd | Package chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 11.0.696.71~r86024-1 |
| 06:11.40 | wols_ | vingian: with mixed installations like yours, ANY weird problems can happen. |
| 06:12.26 | vingian | wols_: thanks. So what have I won? ;) |
| 06:13.35 | nvictor | vingian: good advice me thinks |
| 06:13.46 | wols_ | vingian: a debian reinstall to fix your problem! |
| 06:13.54 | vingian | has just won a no expense paid reinstallation of his system! |
| 06:14.02 | nvictor | wols_: for real? |
| 06:14.13 | nvictor | wouldn't a simple uninstall of chrome |
| 06:14.24 | nvictor | then an update to apt-get repos fix that? |
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| 06:14.46 | glicth-mod | Can someone help me install fglrx on Debian I have a 5870, X crashes on start and I can only get into recovery mode |
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| 06:14.56 | wols_ | nvictor: no. chromium dragged in many dependencies like a new libc6. you can't easily uninstall those |
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| 06:15.19 | wols_ | !tell glicth-mod about fglrx |
| 06:15.19 | vingian | nvictor: not to mention a lot of other updates that I carelessly applied coz I liked the idea of the newer software |
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| 06:16.04 | vingian | wols_: I think you're right - but I was tempted to get the latest chrome browser |
| 06:16.21 | wols_ | !tell vingian about backports |
| 06:16.26 | nvictor | ah i remember being like that |
| 06:16.30 | passwordoff | There is no /boot/grub/menu.lst file, so how to configure my grub loading? |
| 06:16.31 | nvictor | now i never do beta |
| 06:17.05 | nvictor | unless it's gmail :) |
| 06:17.20 | JohnWittle | vingian: you should just compile it from source. |
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| 06:18.09 | vingian | well in my defense, I did encounter the same problem with google-crhome browser. Thats why I said to myself (against my better judgement) to just update the repos and hope for the best |
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| 06:18.41 | vingian | and its obvious - it didn't work :) |
| 06:18.54 | wols_ | passwordoff: there is a grub.cfg now. but in reality: /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub/rules.d |
| 06:18.58 | buhman | I was trying to log the user off on tty1, and now sshd seems to not be working |
| 06:19.14 | buhman | as root I did "pkill -KILL -u root" |
| 06:19.23 | buhman | now when I try to ssh I'm told connection refused |
| 06:19.26 | buhman | what happened? |
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| 06:20.17 | JohnWittle | good luck vingian |
| 06:20.19 | wols_ | buhman: you killed all processes belonging to root. among others, sshd is started as root |
| 06:20.26 | wols_ | buhman: I suggest you reboot |
| 06:20.41 | buhman | wols_: kinda hard since I don't have physical access to the server |
| 06:20.44 | buhman | wols_: shit... |
| 06:20.57 | gnarface | ha ha |
| 06:21.02 | buhman | I probably should have asked how to do this properly... |
| 06:21.20 | buhman | how do I do it properly, anyway? |
| 06:21.20 | vingian | JohnWittle: Don't need luck - need the install media now |
| 06:22.02 | wols_ | buhman: you find out what is the login shell for the user on tty1 and kill that |
| 06:22.10 | gnarface | buhman: if this server you don't have physical access to is hosted at a commercial ISP, the base minimum support feature of their on-site staff is to reboot boxes. in many cases this is all they are actually capable of. luckily for you this is all you need. i recommend calling them. confessing your actual mistake is optional |
| 06:22.35 | glicth-mod | modprobe -r radeon drm returns --> FATAL: Module drm is in use. |
| 06:23.06 | wols_ | glicth-mod: lsmod |grep drm |
| 06:23.16 | buhman | gnarface: well, actually I know the guy, and I don't want to seem like an idiot; I've already had to come in when I mucked the network configuration up... but I guess that's what I'll have to do |
| 06:23.22 | jelly-home | glicth-mod: remove them one by one, in separate commands |
| 06:23.25 | JohnWittle | buhman: sometimes in the admin panel on teh website of the managed hosting company there's just a one-click reboot |
| 06:23.31 | JohnWittle | oh and oh nvm |
| 06:23.51 | buhman | JohnWittle: na, I own the box, it's just I don't own the key that locks the door to the room that the server is in |
| 06:24.17 | JohnWittle | oh |
| 06:24.18 | jelly-home | glicth-mod: if your console has switched to kms-based framebuffer I think you may not be able to remove radeon at all |
| 06:24.25 | glicth-mod | 3 items returned, drm_kms_helper drm and i2c_core; How do I remove them? |
| 06:24.46 | wols_ | you rmmod them normally. and make sure no X is running |
| 06:24.50 | buhman | wols_: is there any way to make sshd start... not as root? |
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| 06:25.08 | glicth-mod | X is not running |
| 06:25.10 | buhman | wols_: I have a few daemonized processes (not even sure exactly what that implies), but they're still running |
| 06:25.15 | JohnWittle | buhman: if you're using an old version of opensshd there are a couple exploits to elevate yourself to root |
| 06:25.20 | buhman | wols_: like icecast, nginx, etc... are still on |
| 06:25.28 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell glicth-mod about fglrx |
| 06:25.58 | jelly-home | JohnWittle: his sshd is dead. Nonexisting. |
| 06:26.00 | buhman | JohnWittle: I think I'm pretty up to date... and I also think it's not even running at all according to wols |
| 06:26.21 | glicth-mod | won't let me remove them |
| 06:26.31 | wols_ | buhman: try sshd -p 2222 |
| 06:26.45 | wols_ | buhman: and then connect to that. but if you can start programs, you can become root, no? |
| 06:26.47 | gnarface | buhman: oh so this is like some machine you're hosting in some buddy's basement rack in their mom's house? that's too bad... but fyi there is a technical solution for this actually. there ARE remote management power strips available that you can use to power cycle boxes remotely, without on-site staff interaction. they're not expensive for the entry-level ones. i'd recommend checking into that if you're gonna make a habit of |
| 06:26.47 | gnarface | this |
| 06:27.00 | buhman | wols_: I'm not physically in the same room as the server |
| 06:27.09 | buhman | gnarface: yeah, pretty much |
| 06:27.26 | buhman | gnarface: (except it's actually more like an attic in a conference building) |
| 06:28.00 | gnarface | buhman: well you seem like a dedicated newbie. do check into power strips with remote reboot capability. i'm sure you can get a nice one that will make a world of difference for you |
| 06:28.06 | wols_ | buhman: that's not what I asked/said. you can start programs, you can become root |
| 06:28.25 | wols_ | at least if you have the root pw |
| 06:28.27 | buhman | wols_: I guess... but what are you getting at? |
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| 06:28.38 | buhman | wols_: how can I start a program without sshd? |
| 06:28.42 | wols_ | just su to root and /etc/init.d/ssh restart ? |
| 06:28.48 | buhman | wols_: how? |
| 06:28.56 | wols_ | buhman: well, if you can't start a program you cannot start ssh as user either |
| 06:29.01 | jelly-home | buhman: are you logged in to the machine or not? |
| 06:29.05 | gnarface | wols_: it might help to give him copy+pasteable commands |
| 06:29.06 | buhman | jelly-home: no |
| 06:29.07 | wols_ | but that's what you asked |
| 06:29.30 | jelly-home | buhman: you're fucked then, and there's not reason to ask <buhman> wols_: is there any way to make sshd start... not as root? |
| 06:29.35 | passwordoff | I have installed Windows after the Linux to non first partition. Then I have restore grub loader. But it doesn't found the windows loader. What do I do? |
| 06:29.52 | jelly-home | buhman: that line implied you were somehow still connected, just not as root |
| 06:30.39 | wols_ | passwordoff: you can edit it manually in |
| 06:30.53 | unicstar | passwordoff: which windows you have installed ? |
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| 06:31.03 | passwordoff | xp |
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| 06:32.17 | unicstar | passwordoff: I say you can use xp recovery console to recover windows, and then install grub loader in partition, not in mbr |
| 06:33.06 | passwordoff | But there is an easy way to use grub |
| 06:33.23 | passwordoff | but i don't know how it could be done |
| 06:33.42 | john_rambo | Pen drive auto mount fails ........http://pastebin.com/pGSmkSQ9 |
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| 06:33.59 | wols_ | passwordoff: update-grub output? |
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| 06:35.16 | gnarface | the newer versions of grub should be able to do this automatically |
| 06:35.33 | gnarface | when it fails you should be able to make a manual text config change to fix it |
| 06:35.48 | gnarface | using windows to fix your master boot record is never necessary (or advised) |
| 06:35.53 | nvictor | john_rambo: vm? |
| 06:36.14 | john_rambo | nvictor, vm? |
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| 06:36.29 | `z | passwordoff: try os-prober ? |
| 06:36.49 | john_rambo | nvictor, vm .....meaning ? |
| 06:38.29 | wols_ | !vm |
| 06:38.29 | dpkg | VM (View Mail) is a mail user agent for <Emacs>. Packaged for Debian, bundled with XEmacs. http://www.nongnu.org/viewmail/ |
| 06:38.37 | wols_ | hmm... bad dpkg |
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| 06:38.47 | wols_ | VM is usually a "Virtual Machine" |
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| 06:39.40 | nvictor | john_rambo: yes virtual machine, i'm leaving without my usb ports on my debian |
| 06:39.53 | nvictor | john_rambo: the vm maker didn't think that was important enough |
| 06:40.12 | john_rambo | wols_, nvictor No this is not a virtual installation |
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| 06:40.55 | passwordoff | solving was grub-setup /dev/sda grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 06:41.35 | john_rambo | nvictor, I used "dd" on this drive to install this very debian installation |
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| 06:42.37 | erry | can you find recent changes done to a system? |
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| 06:44.32 | jollybob | is there a reference for all the standard groups available in debian? |
| 06:44.55 | wols_ | not really. any package you install can create its own groups if necessary |
| 06:45.25 | jollybob | I am specifically looking for some e-mail group.. is there such a thing in default debian? |
| 06:45.51 | gnarface | jollybob: i believe you want the debian policy manual |
| 06:46.00 | wols_ | sure, there is "mail" |
| 06:46.17 | gnarface | jollybob: i'd be shocked if wols_ knew it existed, and i'd be shocked if the dpkg doesn't have a link hidden somewhere |
| 06:46.20 | gnarface | lets try now! |
| 06:46.29 | gnarface | dpkg: policy |
| 06:46.37 | dpkg | policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 06:46.37 | gnarface | there we go |
| 06:46.37 | gnarface | :) |
| 06:46.37 | gnarface | easy as that |
| 06:46.44 | gnarface | sometimes bots are smarter |
| 06:47.02 | jollybob | nice! |
| 06:47.13 | wols_ | gnarface: huh? |
| 06:47.26 | gnarface | users/groups/packages, directory usages... all in there... somewhere |
| 06:47.31 | gnarface | or linked to from there |
| 06:47.53 | gnarface | wols_: yea that was the spanish armada with a 42-ship broadside cannon blast |
| 06:48.06 | gnarface | wols_: "not really" wtf is that? |
| 06:48.33 | wols_ | do you have anything worthwile to say except misusing your enter key? |
| 06:49.00 | gnarface | i think i've already proved my point |
| 06:49.21 | gnarface | i've not yet even BEGUN to misuse my enter key |
| 06:49.24 | gnarface | MWHAHAHAHAHA |
| 06:49.34 | wols_ | it must be sunday already this week |
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| 06:50.30 | wols_ | erry: what kind of changes? |
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| 06:51.20 | jollybob | hmm.. didn't find anything of interest in the policy manual |
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| 06:51.51 | gnarface | jollybob: not even a list of the standard system groups and their purposes? |
| 06:51.56 | wols_ | jollybob: there is something interesting for you: what goup # range to use and what not |
| 06:52.03 | jollybob | anyways, do I have to be a part of the mail group to have mutt handle the mbox file? |
| 06:52.04 | wols_ | gnarface: of course not |
| 06:52.16 | jollybob | wols_, true |
| 06:52.27 | wols_ | jollybob: no. mbox files for your user are owned by your user by default |
| 06:52.27 | jollybob | but only gid and uid |
| 06:52.54 | wols_ | !wayttd jollybob |
| 06:52.54 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jollybob? |
| 06:53.06 | erry | wols_, anything like new software installed |
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| 06:53.45 | wols_ | erry: /var/log/dpkg.log* and /var/log/apt/* |
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| 06:54.11 | erry | What if it was compiled |
| 06:54.16 | jollybob | ah, yes - sorry for not being clear. I'd like to understand the local MTA system. |
| 06:54.27 | wols_ | erry: no way to check that |
| 06:54.43 | gnarface | jollybob: yea sorry that policy manual seems pretty vague on specific group usages, however this is more informative: http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/distro/debian/deb04-DebianPolicy/ |
| 06:54.44 | jollybob | I cat my mbox file and it show me old mail |
| 06:55.02 | gnarface | jollybob: i'd be surprised if this info is not somewhere in the policy manual ... just mis-filed |
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| 06:55.41 | jollybob | gnarface, thanks a lot, I've been trying to find this reference for some time |
| 06:56.37 | gnarface | jollybob: there ARE standardized purposes for the system groups (<1000 in debian) and i think they ARE in the policy manual SOMEWHERE... but i'm having trouble finding them in there at the moment |
| 06:56.59 | wols_ | gnarface: <100 only |
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| 06:59.23 | gnarface | wols_: no, <100 is for bog standard ones and >99, <1000 are for dynamically allocated system and user groups |
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| 07:00.06 | gnarface | wols_: so custom stuff should be above 1000, and only if something below that, already defined, is not more appropriate |
| 07:00.21 | gnarface | wols_: its important to follow the rules |
| 07:00.37 | gnarface | wols_: even if you don't yet understand why |
| 07:00.57 | wols_ | <1000 are for dynamically allocated system and user group´s vs. so custom stuff should be above 1000 |
| 07:01.00 | wols_ | nice contradiction there |
| 07:01.13 | wols_ | but I think I'm fed up with your trollish hostility. good day |
| 07:01.51 | gnarface | good day! |
| 07:01.59 | gnarface | >:{ |
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| 07:03.16 | streuner_ | looks for his pop corn... |
| 07:03.27 | Snakes | Is there a command to display just IP addresses assigned to the container with no other information? I'm planning to have them displayed to a web page. |
| 07:03.54 | gnarface | Snakes: "the container" ? |
| 07:04.06 | Snakes | Container/VPS |
| 07:04.26 | jollybob | is there a n00b manual for using exim4/understanding the usage of the mbox file? |
| 07:04.58 | Snakes | I can do hostname -i for the main IP address was hoping there would be a similar tool for listing them all. |
| 07:05.06 | gnarface | jollybob: i bought their book and read it. :( there is probably not a n00b manual. |
| 07:05.34 | wols_ | jollybob: what part of mbox files is unclear? |
| 07:06.00 | wols_ | by default, any mail sent to a user is added to his mbox file. nothing more nothing less |
| 07:06.09 | gnarface | Snakes: i'd probably do some heinous sed/grep/awk concoction on the output of ifconfig -a |
| 07:06.26 | wols_ | a mbox file is a very simply file format: all mails, in a single file, one after the other |
| 07:06.34 | Snakes | Okay thanks gnarface will look into this now, support much appreciated thank you. |
| 07:07.01 | jollybob | wols_, how to interact with it. I cat it and see that there's an old mail in there.. now what? do I remove the mbox file to delete the mail, or do I leave it and hope that debian will automagically clean it out? |
| 07:07.08 | gnarface | Snakes: if you run that command as a non-root user you'll need to run it as /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 07:07.33 | jollybob | Snakes, ..or add the /sbin dir to your path. |
| 07:07.46 | gnarface | jollybob: check into mail (the binary) |
| 07:08.18 | wols_ | jollybob: it will never be "cleaned out". why would debian delete your mail? you use your mail client to remove mails from it. but you can also delete the file if all mail in it isn't important. when a new mail comes, the file will be recreated with those new mails |
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| 07:08.53 | jollybob | wols_ OK thank you for clearing that out for me |
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| 07:09.06 | Snakes | cheers guys |
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| 07:09.46 | gnarface | jollybob: mutt is more popular (because it handles Maildir) but mail is really functional and easy once you understand the hotkeys |
| 07:10.24 | jollybob | gnarface, is it standard vi keyset? |
| 07:11.28 | gnarface | jollybob: sorry i'm a dirty emacs hippy. i think its very similar but not directly related |
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| 07:12.28 | gnarface | jollybob: i know you can hit the "t" key to have it print out the raw text of the oldest message |
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| 07:13.16 | gnarface | jollybob: and you can hit the "d" key to have it prompt you to input a range of numbers (or a single number) that identifies the message(s) you want to delete |
| 07:13.34 | jollybob | sure |
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| 07:13.52 | gnarface | jollybob: i'm sure it does many other things but i generally avoid using it |
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| 07:14.28 | jollybob | why are you recommending it if you avoid using it? |
| 07:15.28 | gnarface | jollybob: you wanted a way to read ~/.mbox files. that's the lowest-tech (read: least technical hurdles for maximum functionality, aka most resilience to desktop configuration difficulties) way to do it |
| 07:15.51 | gnarface | i still use it DAILY to read ~/.mbox fles |
| 07:15.51 | jollybob | OK, thanks for the input |
| 07:16.11 | gnarface | but almost all of said files are from my firewall system directly |
| 07:17.17 | gnarface | my mail to my various private and commercial domains.... that stuff gets delivered to Maildir directories and i read that stuff over courier-imap-ssl with icedove |
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| 07:17.58 | gnarface | that's an entirely different situation |
| 07:18.17 | gnarface | so your question begs the further question... where is this mail coming from? how much of it do you get per day? |
| 07:18.50 | gnarface | the answers to those questions have a relevant impact on the optimal usage pattern for you |
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| 07:22.40 | mikygee | hello |
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| 07:23.42 | mikygee | I would like to know how to install MIBs |
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| 07:27.02 | mikygee | wow |
| 07:27.03 | mikygee | super |
| 07:27.08 | mikygee | nobody's here |
| 07:30.07 | gnarface | mikygee: what is a MIB? |
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| 07:30.26 | mikygee | you know a MIB is used for snmp |
| 07:30.41 | mikygee | it gives definitions of snmp objects |
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| 07:31.13 | babilen | mikygee: I believe you still have to elaborate. |
| 07:31.35 | mikygee | babilen elaborate ? |
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| 07:32.16 | mikygee | babilen what do you mean by "elaborate" ? |
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| 07:33.25 | gnarface | mikygee: sorry you're already over my head. i have no idea what an MIB is in that context |
| 07:33.31 | babilen | Yes. Provide more details, tell us what you are trying to do. I would also suggest to ask this in in a more snmp specific channel, "/msg alis list *snmp*" will list a couple of them. |
| 07:33.31 | jmarsden | MIBs are text file definitions of SNMP object subtrees, used by snmp clients to query devices for specific info about them... |
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| 07:33.35 | prince_jammys | explain in more detail what you want to accomplish. |
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| 07:34.23 | jmarsden | mikygee: The real question is, what snmp client software are you trying to "install a MIB" into? The standard net-snmp command line tools, or something else? |
| 07:35.04 | mikygee | jmarsden yes just for a basic usage with snmpwalk for instance |
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| 07:35.47 | mikygee | babilen I have MIBs "out of the box" for unix systems, but I would like to monitor Fortinet hardware or Cisco hardware |
| 07:36.29 | mikygee | babilen I downloaded and copied the MIB in some specific directory |
| 07:36.51 | mikygee | babilen for debian /usr/share/mibs/netsnmp/ |
| 07:37.29 | jmarsden | mikygee: Throw the MIB files into /usr/share/snmp/mibs or else play with the MIBDIRS variable. man snmpcmd describes the common options for all the snmp command line tools... |
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| 07:38.36 | mikygee | jmarsden yes I read that |
| 07:38.54 | jmarsden | mikygee: That default dir may depend on what version of the tools you are using and whether you installed from a package or compiled them yourself from a tarball? |
| 07:39.10 | mikygee | babilen but I have a lot errors when doing a snmpwalk |
| 07:39.20 | mikygee | jmarsden from a package |
| 07:39.54 | mikygee | jmarsden squeeze |
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| 07:40.40 | ogzy | !fixmbr |
| 07:40.40 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 07:40.41 | jmarsden | mikygee: So... you already answered your own question, I think... you already did "install the MIB" and now you have a problem using it, it seems. For help with that I'd try asking in #net-snmp |
| 07:41.10 | mikygee | jmarsden ok I'll do |
| 07:41.16 | mikygee | thank you everyone |
| 07:41.23 | jmarsden | You're welcome. |
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| 07:55.40 | ectospasm | can anyone here who uses urxvt tell me the proper magic to override the default color palette? I've used "urxvt -color4 '#3465A4'", set it in .Xdefaults, but nothing seems to work. I've asked in #rxvt-unicode, but I haven't gotten a response yet. |
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| 08:00.37 | Abddu | My /etc/init.d/ssh fails to start at boot and I in turn fail to pinpoint the problem. |
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| 08:01.17 | wols_ | Abddu: and the error messages/logs are? |
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| 08:01.46 | babilen | ectospasm: Quite easy, look at this example: http://paste.debian.net/118642/ (you can also make that urxvt.color) |
| 08:02.29 | Abddu | wols_: less /var/log/boot | grep ssh gives nothing: Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. |
| 08:02.37 | babilen | ectospasm: Run "xrdb -merge .Xresources" or "xrdb -load .Xresources" and start a new shell. |
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| 08:03.34 | Abddu | However there is also another problem with firestarter, which starts, then gets restarted by network-manager and fails, then fails again on S50 |
| 08:03.49 | wols_ | Abddu: /var/log/syslog or such would be a better place |
| 08:03.54 | Abddu | wols_: So maybe these are somehow connected. |
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| 08:04.47 | Abddu | wols_: less /var/log/syslog | grep ssh EMPTY |
| 08:05.10 | wols_ | start ssh manually |
| 08:05.26 | Abddu | wols_: no problem at all, works like charm, tried thrice now. |
| 08:05.54 | Abddu | wols_: Tested from outside that it works indeed, obviously |
| 08:05.58 | wols_ | and you also get the useless use of cat award (well, less in your case) |
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| 08:07.11 | Abddu | wols_: It's always good to be awarded. :P I'm more worried about the sshd, which used to boot fine. |
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| 08:07.25 | mah454 | I have a big problem with numpad keys ... |
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| 08:07.48 | UserD_ | hi, i am trying to boot live debian from usb stick with grub2, the load is made in menuentry with loopback loop /debian.iso |
| 08:07.48 | UserD_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.48 | UserD_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.11 | Black_Prince | UserD_ debian live ISO with USB? |
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| 08:08.25 | wols_ | mah454: < mah454_> when i add keyboard layout with numpad in ubuntu . my numpad disabled. <- and that means you shouldn't ask here |
| 08:08.31 | UserD_ | i copied the iso to usb, there the grub is installed |
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| 08:08.42 | wols_ | UserD_: hybrid ISO? |
| 08:08.46 | balleyne | I've got a new Debian server, and all of the system email is being sent as from <user>@deb.privatedns.com -- where deb.privatedns.com is the originall fqdn configured, not the current hostname --fqdn. Is there another setting besides hostname I should be looking at? This happens with mail sent from PHP, also from cron... |
| 08:09.06 | wols_ | balleyne: /etc/mailname |
| 08:09.12 | Black_Prince | UserD_ for some reason you can't boot debian live iso with grub, you have to use hybrid iso, and dd or cat it to usb drive |
| 08:09.15 | UserD_ | no, just debian squeeze |
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| 08:09.45 | balleyne | wols_: <3 thank you muchly |
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| 08:10.26 | wols_ | UserD_: there are hybrid-ISOs for debian live squeeze. use that one, without grub or such. simply dd it to your usb stick |
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| 08:11.39 | UserD_ | ok, thank you. i just wanted to have more live distributions on usb stick |
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| 08:12.33 | paolob | Hi guys! How can know whether debian's php5 is compiled with --enable-sockets? |
| 08:13.07 | UserD_ | and I wanted debian live to install grub2 on hdd, i got errors when installed grub2, at debian squeeze install, on a raid0 hdd |
| 08:13.11 | babilen | paolob: Look at debian/rules in the source package. (/msg dpkg package recompile) |
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| 08:13.33 | Black_Prince | UserD_, I unpacked live cd iso, copied it's /live folder to usb stick root, and adjusted boot options in grub as in syslinux on iso |
| 08:14.14 | paolob | babilen, thank you! |
| 08:14.18 | jmarsden | paolob: Or, perhaps, php5 -r 'phpinfo();' | grep -i sockets |
| 08:14.31 | paolob | jmarsden, that's better, thank you! |
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| 08:14.38 | jmarsden | You're welcome |
| 08:14.42 | babilen | paolob: But I would be surprised if not. Not that I know anything about PHP, but still :) |
| 08:14.59 | UserD_ | I'll try that way, thank you |
| 08:15.02 | Black_Prince | I think php sockets are enabled by default |
| 08:15.16 | paolob | thanks all! |
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| 08:20.09 | ectospasm | babilen: yep, got a response in #rxvt-unicode which led me to that. |
| 08:20.31 | fishsponge | hey people... i'm seeing a lot of this in syslog (latest debian, default bind install): Jun 2 06:50:05 mongoose named[31837]: DNS format error from 68.142.254.15#53 resolving rc.g01.yahoodns.net/AAAA for client 192.168.10.10#55007: invalid response |
| 08:20.41 | fishsponge | I know it's harmless, but can it be turned off? it's clogging up the logs big-time |
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| 08:22.03 | fishsponge | also, logcheck keeps bringing it all to my attention when it runs... Jun 2 00:07:05 mongoose named[31837]: DNS format error from 68.142.254.15#53 resolving rc.g01.yahoodns.net/AAAA for client 192.168.10.10#33697: invalid response |
| 08:22.28 | fishsponge | i've also googled it with not much joy... everyone seems to just say "it's default behaviour, ignore it", but that kinda sucks... |
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| 08:34.41 | simonlnu | fishsponge: set up a logging target in bind to redirect those to /dev/null or a rate-limited log |
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| 08:40.19 | flash_ | sorry, what was the bot trigger for help with persuading debian not to use ipv6 with apt-get? |
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| 08:42.35 | flash_ | no worries, sorted now |
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| 08:44.05 | fishsponge | simonlnu, thanks for that... i'll have to look into that when i have more time :-) |
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| 08:49.17 | ma3x | how do i check if debian's installation is 32 or 64 bit? |
| 08:49.44 | themill | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 08:49.44 | dpkg | ia64 |
| 08:50.38 | Kasreyn | linux 3.0! |
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| 08:51.15 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 08:55.34 | babak6 | can a pipe be created between two different computers? |
| 08:55.51 | petemc | with netcat or socat |
| 08:56.09 | babak6 | thanks |
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| 08:57.07 | rudi_s | petemc: And with netcat/socat over ssh if the network is not secure. |
| 08:57.21 | jrabbit | How much faster is it to expand an ext4 partition from the end out ratehr from the beging up? |
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| 09:32.56 | tdn | How can I temporarily force my CPU to go into max performance mode? Right now it goes into low power c-states. |
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| 09:33.49 | wols_ | run a process that uses 100% cpu |
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| 09:34.58 | tdn | wols_, I do. But somehow it is not enough. |
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| 09:35.38 | tdn | wols_, it uses the CPU fairly much, but appearently not enough to make it stay at 2.5 GHz. It goes to 800MHz now and then. |
| 09:35.45 | wols_ | tdn: more info needed |
| 09:35.48 | tdn | Even while the process is running (ffmpeg) |
| 09:35.58 | petrolman | pdfcreck should use more than 100% of your cpu! |
| 09:36.09 | tdn | Not sure what info to provide. |
| 09:36.44 | tdn | wols_, I am converting some videos using ffmpeg. It takes a long time. Especially if the CPU runs at 800MHz instead of 2.5GHz as it is capable of. |
| 09:36.52 | tdn | petrolman, pdfcreck? |
| 09:37.22 | tdn | You mean pdfcrack? Why would I run that? |
| 09:37.24 | wols_ | tdn: renice your ffmpeg |
| 09:37.34 | tdn | wols_, renice it to what? |
| 09:37.43 | wols_ | tdn: also, is ffmpeg multithreaded? |
| 09:37.48 | tdn | wols_, it is, yes. |
| 09:37.48 | petrolman | to force your cpu :-) |
| 09:37.51 | wols_ | renice it to a higher priority |
| 09:38.39 | tdn | wols_, does the nice value influence wheater the CPU changes c-states or not? |
| 09:39.18 | petrolman | nikolaibo, cam girls are disgusting! |
| 09:39.50 | tdn | I remember some time ago, when I was using KDE 3.5.something, I could set something in the power manager that made the CPU go into "performance" mode or something. This would make it not scale down CPU freq. I figured it might be possible to do this by setting something in /proc ? |
| 09:40.18 | wols_ | yes. see cpufreq-utils or such. search for cpufreq with apt |
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| 09:48.27 | tdn | wols_, I now have cpufreq-set from cpufreq-utils. But not sure how to use it to do this. I have read man page but it seems more complex than I thought. |
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| 09:49.34 | tdn | wols_, setting nice value does not have an effect on cpufreq. I tried setting it to -20, no differense. |
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| 09:50.50 | wols_ | tdn: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling |
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| 09:52.08 | niklaswe | hmm why have deiban split up all config-files for slapd ? |
| 09:52.20 | niklaswe | instead of using slapd.conf? |
| 09:53.18 | tdn | wols_, thanks. |
| 09:53.37 | niklaswe | http://pastebin.com/Q5nmB4Yp |
| 09:54.37 | wols_ | niklaswe: makes it easier for scripts to change configs usually |
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| 09:55.53 | niklaswe | wols_: if i want to use the "old" way.. with slapd.conf instead of this way? is it just remov this files and create my own slapd.conf? |
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| 09:56.08 | afuentes | im trying to compile ls from coreutils with debug symbols to be able to debug... but im not sure how to do it... can somebody help me out? |
| 09:56.56 | afuentes | niklaswe, is probable that you have the original slapd.conf pointing to the .d directory |
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| 09:57.35 | niklaswe | afuentes: okey, will try that |
| 09:57.38 | themill | niklaswe: this is not a change that debian made -- this is the change from slapd.conf to cn=config. Basically, you no longer have a config file for slapd but instead insert the configuration into the ldap tree itself. |
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| 09:59.37 | afuentes | yep niklaswe what themill is saying sounds right to me... I heard ldap changed and now the configuration is part of the ldap tree ^_^ |
| 10:00.02 | niklaswe | themill: hmm okey, so i can just but my .ldif i making in cn=config. directory ? |
| 10:01.42 | themill | niklaswe: possibly... I don't recall if they are re-read each time the server is started or not. I suspect that you would be better off inserting the ldif into the tree itself (that way the configuration takes effect immediately anyway). #openldap will know more. |
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| 10:02.03 | themill | niklaswe: remember that slapd.conf and .ldif are completely different syntaxes for added amusement. |
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| 10:13.36 | niklaswe | themill: yeah i know that slapd.conf and .ldif are completely different, i will check in openldap thanks for the help |
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| 10:19.28 | kzar | My cronjob seems to have been lost after I rebooted the box |
| 10:19.47 | kzar | I thought they would be persistent? |
| 10:20.28 | bolt | kzar: they should. how did you add your cronjob? |
| 10:20.47 | kzar | `crontab - e` as root I believe although it's been a long time |
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| 10:21.31 | bolt | kzar: any chance your drives were mounted read only or something? |
| 10:21.56 | themill | is cron actually running? |
| 10:22.16 | kzar | themill: Yes, bolt: I don't believe so |
| 10:22.54 | bolt | kzar: do the jobs show up when you do crontab -l? |
| 10:23.14 | kzar | bolt: No that's why I said it's gone, that and the fact it let me down by not doing it's job heh |
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| 10:24.00 | kzar | hmm a puzzler eh? |
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| 10:40.26 | beef-supreme | hello debian people |
| 10:40.41 | beef-supreme | does anyone use thunar here? |
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| 10:45.14 | wols_ | beef-supreme: many people. but none of them uses ubuntu |
| 10:45.42 | beef-supreme | wols_, i don't only use ubuntu |
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| 10:45.49 | beef-supreme | wols_, i'm a distro hopper |
| 10:45.57 | wols_ | then your question in either channel is OT |
| 10:46.17 | beef-supreme | wols_, if i find a working distribution that satisfies my needs i'll stay for a while :) |
| 10:47.07 | beef-supreme | i don't understand the "<wols_> then your question in either channel is OT" part |
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| 10:48.12 | babilen | beef-supreme: Do you have a Debian related question? Asking if anyone uses thunar is easy to answer and the answer would be "yes". :) |
| 10:48.43 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - does anybody know how to get monit to make sure a directory contains a file newer than X hours? I want to use it to monitor my backups |
| 10:49.57 | beef-supreme | Super_Cat_Frog, you could create a mark |
| 10:49.58 | beef-supreme | touch /tmp/mark |
| 10:50.10 | beef-supreme | then search for files newer than the mark |
| 10:50.23 | beef-supreme | find *insert location here* -newer /tmp/mark -not -type d > /tmp/list |
| 10:50.37 | Super_Cat_Frog | beef-supreme: im looking for a way to do it within monit, if possible |
| 10:50.57 | Super_Cat_Frog | beef-supreme: i was thinking i could symlink my newest backup to backup-current, and check the age of that with monit, but i'd like to know if there's a cleaner way before i do that |
| 10:51.12 | beef-supreme | don't know whta monit is |
| 10:51.43 | Super_Cat_Frog | ah right, its a server monitoring doodar- mmonit.com/monit/ |
| 10:52.00 | beef-supreme | well, never used it |
| 10:52.12 | beef-supreme | if everything else fails you might want to try my method :) |
| 10:52.31 | Super_Cat_Frog | ok well thanks for the suggestion |
| 10:52.31 | beef-supreme | it's not what you wanted but it's better than nothing |
| 10:52.51 | beef-supreme | babilen, okay here's my problem |
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| 10:53.05 | beef-supreme | i installed debian minimal, thunar, dbus, hal openbox and xorg |
| 10:53.19 | beef-supreme | but when i open thunar the unmounted media are not displayed within thunar |
| 10:54.06 | beef-supreme | and my question is "Did anyone get that working and if so can he assist me in doing it as well?" |
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| 10:55.01 | darkwood | hi, i have issues with chars when i type man, like for man userdel -> Files in the user´s how to fix that? |
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| 10:59.52 | MrFrood | darkwood: xterm or cons |
| 11:00.09 | MrFrood | oops .. or console? |
| 11:00.28 | darkwood | console |
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| 11:02.22 | darkwood | why this shit is happening? |
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| 11:02.39 | darkwood | here is /etc/default/locale > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 11:02.56 | MrFrood | what does |
| 11:02.58 | MrFrood | echo $LANG |
| 11:03.03 | MrFrood | give |
| 11:03.13 | darkwood | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 11:03.23 | darkwood | maybe becouse utf-8 ? |
| 11:03.44 | MrFrood | just man pages or elsewhere too? |
| 11:04.21 | darkwood | man pages that i know |
| 11:04.25 | Ash-Fox | wonders if c.UTF-8 would work. |
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| 11:04.54 | jelly | there is no such thing |
| 11:04.56 | MrFrood | darkwood: I was thinking it might be because of no utf-8 but it's obviously not the issue |
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| 11:05.38 | darkwood | debian only looks for locales in /etc/default/locales ? |
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| 11:05.48 | MrFrood | darkwood: do you know which pager you are using to display man pages? |
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| 11:06.14 | darkwood | MrFrood: no, how to check that? |
| 11:06.57 | darkwood | hmm |
| 11:07.15 | darkwood | when i change LANG=en_US.UTF-8 to LANG=en_GB is ok? why?! :D |
| 11:07.33 | MrFrood | try echo $PAGER |
| 11:07.43 | MrFrood | no idea |
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| 11:08.22 | MrFrood | darkwood: how do you change the Language..? |
| 11:08.27 | paolosca | hi, apt keeps cleaning old package files from the cache, how can I change this behavior? |
| 11:08.44 | babilen | darkwood: What does 'grep -ve "^#" /etc/locale.gen' give you? Does LANG=en_GB.utf-8 work too? |
| 11:08.53 | darkwood | i edited /etc/default/locales |
| 11:09.02 | darkwood | and change LANG=en_US.UTF-8 to LANG=en_GB |
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| 11:09.09 | darkwood | i didnt touch locale.gen |
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| 11:09.39 | darkwood | will add utf-8 to test |
| 11:09.54 | babilen | Ok, you might want to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" rather than editing /etc/default/locale -- But what is the output of that command and the answer to my question? |
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| 11:11.24 | darkwood | babilen: grep returns > en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 11:13.10 | darkwood | when i add .UTF-8 i get man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 11:13.11 | babilen | Ok, so that is apparently not the problem. |
| 11:13.28 | babilen | darkwood: Sure, you don't generate that locale |
| 11:13.29 | darkwood | and, why en_GB works? but en_US doesnt? |
| 11:13.42 | darkwood | both without utf-8 |
| 11:13.58 | babilen | darkwood: We want you to honour the nice colours in manpages? |
| 11:14.42 | MrFrood | darkwood: just face it your PC is an anglophile :P |
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| 11:16.01 | darkwood | :D |
| 11:16.11 | darkwood | maybe is problem with manpages :)) |
| 11:16.37 | darkwood | this locales only loks in /etc/default/locales and /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 11:16.45 | darkwood | i dont like GUI configs |
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| 11:17.22 | abrotman | darkwood: did you logout/login after generating new locales? |
| 11:17.22 | babilen | darkwood: Lets try a different pager, install "most" and run "update-alternatives --config pager" and select most ... see if that helps. |
| 11:17.53 | Internat | less more most? wtf? |
| 11:17.55 | Internat | lol |
| 11:17.55 | MrFrood | darkwood: have you tried setting the lang using 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' yet? |
| 11:18.18 | MrFrood | Internat: you forgot pg |
| 11:19.03 | babilen | darkwood: Also, do you have LESSCHARSET set? (i.e. What does 'echo $LESSCHARSET' give you (if anything) ?) |
| 11:20.15 | darkwood | babilen: gives me nothing |
| 11:20.36 | babilen | ok, question popped from stack, please continue popping :) |
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| 11:28.39 | xian | Hi. I am trying to get rid of the flashing wireless LED of my laptop whenever there is traffic. After a quick google search it seemed promising to create a file iwlcore.conf in /etc/modprobe.d with the line options iwlcore led_mode=1. However, upon modprobing iwlagn the kernel complained that led_mode was an unknown parameter. |
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| 11:28.50 | babilen | darkwood: Also: Which shell do you use? Could you paste the output of "env" and so on (which debian release are you using (i'm assuming squeeze)) -- Does most work/behave differently? What about abrotman's question? Could you generate en_GB and check again? ... ... ... |
| 11:28.54 | xian | So is there any way to turn that annoying blinking off? |
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| 11:29.05 | darkwood | am on lenny, bash |
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| 11:29.27 | darkwood | hmm, i dont understaing that fuckin locale, i edited in locale.gen en_US ISO-8859-1 and in locales i write LANG=en_US then relogin and mans tells me man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 11:29.37 | darkwood | or i must use dpkg-configure... ? |
| 11:29.41 | babilen | darkwood: Ah, make sure you don't paste personal information when pasting the "env" output |
| 11:29.57 | babilen | darkwood: yes, you should run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 11:30.02 | babilen | darkwood: What about most? |
| 11:30.35 | darkwood | ok, will try with that, will change charset |
| 11:31.58 | darkwood | âââ⤠Configuring locales ââââ |
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| 11:32.09 | darkwood | very nice charset :) |
| 11:32.33 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 11:32.35 | Bartzy|work | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:33987 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 11:32.42 | Bartzy|work | How can I know who opened this port ? :\ |
| 11:32.58 | Bartzy|work | lsof -i :33987 doesn't return anything. when I do telnet localhost 33987 it looks like the port is open. |
| 11:33.02 | thewanderer1 | darkwood: you're really sure you want ISO-8859-1? I mean we're in the 21st century, come on, everyone is on the UTF-8 bandwagon |
| 11:33.44 | darkwood | hmm |
| 11:34.13 | darkwood | i have installed only en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 11:34.21 | darkwood | but seems not working properly |
| 11:34.33 | thewanderer1 | yeah, so now you set LANG=en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/default/locale |
| 11:35.31 | darkwood | believe or not, when i change to iso now works fine?! why the fell? ) |
| 11:35.36 | darkwood | *hell |
| 11:35.41 | darkwood | i hate iso- charsets :/ |
| 11:35.51 | darkwood | user´s home |
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| 11:36.06 | darkwood | also, ─────┤ Configuring locales ├─── |
| 11:36.14 | darkwood | before was âââ⤠Configuring locales ââââ |
| 11:36.26 | darkwood | it seems, coders use iso? |
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| 11:38.07 | babilen | xian: May I see the exact file, the output of "modinfo iwlagn" and the error message you get when you run "modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn" ta! |
| 11:40.01 | Bartzy|work | Any idea about the port being opened ? |
| 11:40.25 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: run the lsof as root |
| 11:40.48 | babilen | Bartzy|work: Could you run these commands as root .... |
| 11:40.56 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: I am |
| 11:41.11 | Bartzy|work | babilen: I am running them as root |
| 11:41.22 | babilen | Bartzy|work: You should see the command instead of "-" |
| 11:41.33 | wols_ | Bartzy|work: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
| 11:41.40 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: then the process that owned that port was kill -9 |
| 11:41.59 | Bartzy|work | wols_: Debian. |
| 11:42.02 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: and that port should close soon anyway |
| 11:42.12 | babilen | indeed |
| 11:42.30 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: It doesn't close. It's like that for over 10 minutes |
| 11:42.43 | Bartzy|work | and when I do telnet localhost 33987 I get an answer |
| 11:42.45 | Bartzy|work | I can telnet to it |
| 11:42.48 | Bartzy|work | so something is there ? |
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| 11:43.54 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: yes |
| 11:44.08 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: :| rootkit ? |
| 11:44.47 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: no |
| 11:45.00 | darkwood | it seems, my problem is related with UTF-8, becouse when i change to ISO-8859-1 all charset is fine, any suggestions? |
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| 11:45.15 | babilen | Bartzy|work: Could you paste the complete typescript please ... |
| 11:45.23 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: So, any idea ? tcpdump doesn't show anything on that port |
| 11:45.26 | Bartzy|work | babilen: typescript= ? |
| 11:45.38 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: Im looking into this, i have a few such ports too |
| 11:45.58 | babilen | Bartzy|work: Commands + output .. I would just like to see it myself (i.e. netstat, lsof, ...) |
| 11:47.00 | Bartzy|work | babilen: Sure, sec. |
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| 11:47.27 | babilen | Bartzy|work: I believe you, but it sometimes help to actually see it ... |
| 11:47.27 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: this because the kernel owns that port |
| 11:48.03 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: and netstat cannot look into the kernel. There should be a way to look this up, but i dont know yet |
| 11:48.22 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: nfs or kftp or whatever service youre running can do this |
| 11:48.31 | Bartzy|work | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/118656/ |
| 11:48.43 | Bartzy|work | babilen: and lsof -i:33987 doesn't return anything, didn't see a point in pasting that |
| 11:49.01 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: I do have an NFS server.... |
| 11:49.10 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: sure |
| 11:49.10 | xian | babilen: Yes, I pasted all the requested information here: http://pastebin.com/0F58T7vU |
| 11:49.17 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: But that port behavior is also happening in my NFS clients. They're kernel too ? |
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| 11:49.39 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: I didnt think so, but I dont really know |
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| 11:49.53 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: easy to find out, stop nfs and see |
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| 11:49.55 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: Weird. How did you know it's not a rootkit when I asked ? |
| 11:50.00 | thewanderer1 | NFS clients use kernel threads |
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| 11:50.01 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: It's production I can't :D |
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| 11:50.14 | thewanderer1 | so you're not gonna see any process/PID on clients |
| 11:50.18 | Bartzy|work | So how can I look into the kernel and see which kernel thread is using that port ? |
| 11:50.41 | thewanderer1 | now that one is tricky :P |
| 11:50.43 | Bartzy|work | I do see 111 (portmap) and rpc.statd on a custom port |
| 11:50.44 | tknv | hello, How can I install build-essential on Sarge 2.4.27 kernel ? |
| 11:50.48 | Bartzy|work | but I guess there's more ? |
| 11:50.49 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: I didn't know, and I *still* dont know, but this would be silly for a rootkit to do |
| 11:50.58 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: when it cant just completely hide as easily |
| 11:51.00 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: OK. |
| 11:51.10 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: *can* even |
| 11:51.14 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy|work: instead of discovering, you could just reconfigure portmap & statd to listen on different ports |
| 11:51.16 | babilen | xian: Yeah, it looks as if your kernel does not support that options. You could try the .38 one in backports -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel -- Please also don't use rmmod but modprobe -r |
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| 11:52.14 | babilen | xian: I woult have "parm: led_mode:0=system default, 1=On(RF On)/Off(RF Off), 2=blinking (int)' in the modinfo output |
| 11:52.26 | Bartzy|work | thewanderer1: What do you mean ? BTW, theses are production servers. On my laptop (which has a NFS client and has a NFS share mounted) it doesn't happen (the port with no PID)... Anyone knows why it happens to my NFS client servers ? :| |
| 11:52.45 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: theres 2 distinct nfs servers |
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| 11:52.58 | Bartzy|work | nevermind. It wasn't mounted on my laptop. When I mount it, I get that weird port. |
| 11:53.07 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: one is completely in userspace, one is in kernel |
| 11:53.07 | babilen | !tell tknv about sarge sources.list |
| 11:53.35 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy|work: you can specify which port the server should use. not sure about client, but should be possible as well. |
| 11:53.40 | xian | babilen: Ah, I see. I'm not sure I want to update my kernel though. Maybe using duct tabe is an alternative solution. |
| 11:53.41 | babilen | tknv: But please use squeeze instead of sarge which is *not* supported at all and a menace to society (security wise) |
| 11:53.50 | xian | babilen: Thanks for your help. |
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| 11:54.02 | babilen | xian: Updating the kernel is painless. I would try it :) |
| 11:54.17 | babilen | xian: But do whatever you are most comfortable with. Have fun! |
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| 11:54.58 | xian | babilen: Okay, I'll look into it :) |
| 11:55.28 | valdyn | kind of stupid that the mapping of the ports to the process doesnt work still |
| 11:55.41 | babilen | xian: Read "/msg dpkg backports" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" to learn how. |
| 11:55.46 | valdyn | since knfsd shows a pid in top so theres some pid anyway |
| 11:55.50 | babilen | valdyn: yeah |
| 11:56.07 | slipshot | anyone got an nvidia ion2 video chipset? if so how in the world do you install the drivers? i have installed the nvidia driver more times than i can count but this one is strange. |
| 11:56.38 | slipshot | it is setup with both the nvidia card and an intel card built in |
| 11:56.40 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: Yeah I know, but the kernel-type NFS server should be much better |
| 11:58.14 | slipshot | it is an asus 1215n netbook |
| 11:58.41 | slipshot | http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptop/asus-eee-pc-1215n.aspx |
| 11:59.05 | slipshot | review^^^ |
| 11:59.10 | babilen | slipshot: As in optimus? Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please? |
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| 12:00.59 | babilen | slipshot: Yeah, optimus. You have to disable either the intel or the nvidia driver in the BIOS and hope that it'll work. For background information read: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Optimus |
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| 12:01.23 | slipshot_ | ok im on it now. here is the output |
| 12:01.45 | slipshot_ | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:a001] (rev 02) |
| 12:01.45 | slipshot_ | 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0a76] (rev a2) |
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| 12:02.25 | jordanm | one for hdmi only perhaps? |
| 12:02.26 | slipshot_ | there is nowhere in the bios to do anything to the video card |
| 12:03.10 | slipshot_ | to be honest its got me scratching my head. |
| 12:03.29 | babilen | slipshot: It might not work at all in that case. I looked into optimus a bit in the last days and it seems to be a PITA and nvidia has no plan to support it anytime soon. |
| 12:05.22 | slipshot_ | well crap! thats just my luck! one of the main reasons i got this netbook was for the nvidia card. i took it for granted that there would be a linux driver. |
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| 12:06.07 | xian | babilen: Just writing to inform you that upgrading to 2.6.38-bpo was really quite painless and the blinking -- expectedly -- is now stopped. Thanks again :) |
| 12:06.15 | babilen | slipshot: But don't take my word for it (there might be a way, look for example at: https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee) |
| 12:06.27 | babilen | slipshot: And ask in #intel-gfx and #nvidia |
| 12:06.41 | slipshot_ | that and it has a dual core hyper-threaded atom processor. |
| 12:07.06 | babilen | slipshot: Even if there is a linux driver for the card itself it does not mean that it'll work with optimus (which just copies nvidia rendered data into the intel cards memory to display it) |
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| 12:07.42 | slipshot_ | ok thanks babilen. will do and thanks for the help. |
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| 12:08.24 | babilen | slipshot: I've looked into it, because I am thinking about buying a T520, but learned that you can configure the graphics cards in the BIOS (i.e. intel only, nvidia only, optimus switchable (does not work with linux)) |
| 12:09.43 | nevyn | babilen: dave is working on it if you're willing to be out on the bleeding edge. |
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| 12:09.49 | babilen | slipshot: So, if you can't configure this in the BIOS (i.e. no hardware mux) you might really be out of luck, but I don't know what might have happened in the last days/weeks in that area. Good luck, but you might have to return this and get a different one. |
| 12:10.12 | babilen | nevyn: dave? |
| 12:10.32 | slipshot | i see. well there is no chance in #$%! of me running windows just for the video card. thanks again babilen |
| 12:10.35 | babilen | nevyn: As in: VirtualGL for optimus? |
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| 12:11.11 | babilen | xian: Great! You are welcome and may you enjoy your blinkenlights-reduced-laptop now :) |
| 12:11.56 | jollybob | does anyone know how to fix a broken mdadm.conf file? Or do I even need to? My raid1 partition is mounted and seems to be working fine, yet update-initramfs complains about mdadm.conf having no defined arrays.. |
| 12:11.57 | nevyn | babilen: as in dave airlie |
| 12:12.02 | nevyn | babilen: http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/2011/05/testers-needed-intelnvidia-bumblebee.html |
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| 12:12.15 | nevyn | http://airlied.livejournal.com/71434.html |
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| 12:13.21 | babilen | nevyn: yes, that is exactly what I stumbled over, but it does not *really* seem to be a good approach. (a viable one, but not a good one) -- nvidia seems to have just said: Xorg needs some major redesign in order to support this, so screw that" |
| 12:13.25 | slipshot | nevyn, that looks interesting. could be an answer |
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| 12:13.39 | babilen | slipshot: I linked that above! ;) |
| 12:14.33 | nevyn | babilen: so it depends what you're after. |
| 12:14.34 | slipshot | babilen, the page was slow to load and didnt get it up. i see now. thanks |
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| 12:14.58 | slipshot | ok thanks guys i got to go. |
| 12:15.01 | nevyn | babilen: the problem is that the compositor is not abstracted from the card in X |
| 12:15.09 | babilen | nevyn: yes, exactly |
| 12:15.23 | nevyn | in windows it is. |
| 12:15.38 | nevyn | so you can disconnect the display and then just expose every application |
| 12:15.41 | nevyn | and it all works |
| 12:15.47 | nevyn | X can't do this currently |
| 12:16.21 | babilen | tknv: Please stop /msg me -- If you have a question ask it in here. Thank you very much. |
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| 12:19.43 | sacredchao | I have a very bad bug preventing me from connecting with XMPP servers with Pidgin |
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| 12:20.10 | sacredchao | Server does not use any supported authentication method |
| 12:20.17 | sacredchao | ^ is the error message |
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| 12:20.36 | thewanderer1 | sacredchao: is your server using Kerberos/GSSAPI for authentication? |
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| 12:21.39 | sacredchao | thewanderer1: I am not sure |
| 12:22.32 | thewanderer1 | does it work with any server? |
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| 12:23.18 | thewanderer1 | try some free XMPP providers out there |
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| 12:23.56 | sacredchao | I am using a fre provider |
| 12:24.40 | thewanderer1 | so perhaps you chose a wrong port or told it to use TLS/SSL when it should not? (or the other way round) |
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| 12:25.25 | sacredchao | I changed no settings and I have tried logging in to multiple XMPP servers |
| 12:25.55 | sacredchao | different accounts on different servers... same error |
| 12:25.58 | sacredchao | but AIM works |
| 12:27.56 | thewanderer1 | ok well. what does "nslookup talk.google.com" return? |
| 12:28.16 | Bushmills | sacredchao: using "old style security"? port 5223 iirc, rather than port 5222? |
| 12:28.20 | thewanderer1 | (from the machine with the said Pidgin which is having problems) |
| 12:29.03 | sacredchao | Bushmills: Everything is set to 5222 as it has been |
| 12:29.10 | Bushmills | sounds good |
| 12:29.15 | sacredchao | This is a TLS error I take it? |
| 12:29.39 | thewanderer1 | sacredchao: can you tell me what "nslookup talk.google.com" returns on the client which has the issue? |
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| 12:30.33 | thewanderer1 | this is for checking for an 'L7' firewall |
| 12:30.51 | sacredchao | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/7PevyTYA |
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| 12:31.38 | thewanderer1 | ok well, this looks rather fine - at least nobody seems to be intercepting XMPP traffic |
| 12:31.50 | thewanderer1 | running a corporate firewall of some sort, though? |
| 12:32.13 | WormFood | how do I mark a particular package as being installed, even tho it wasn't installed with a deb (it was installed manually)...I'm not seeing anything in the aptitude man page, but I'm probably not looking hard enough... |
| 12:32.32 | sacredchao | no |
| 12:33.01 | sacredchao | I thought that might have been the case.... ISP for some reason poaching XMPP packets but it made no logical sense |
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| 12:33.12 | sacredchao | but it's definitely client-side issue |
| 12:33.26 | jordanm | WormFood: manually compiled software can not be used to satisfy depends. package it |
| 12:33.30 | sacredchao | And not within Pidgin, but Debian's library packages |
| 12:33.37 | thewanderer1 | sacredchao: does another client work? (try Psi) |
| 12:33.50 | thewanderer1 | it could use a different library, at least |
| 12:34.28 | babilen | WormFood: You can look into equivs -- but what are you doing exactly? |
| 12:34.51 | thewanderer1 | !tell WormFood about checkinstall |
| 12:35.41 | WormFood | I want to install the nvidia cuda libraries, but I've installed the nvidia drivers manually, which cuda depends on...yes, I'm aware I can make it into a dpkg |
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| 12:36.26 | babilen | ,versions nvidia-cuda-toolkit |
| 12:36.28 | judd | Package nvidia-cuda-toolkit on i386 -- sid/non-free: 3.2.16-2; wheezy/non-free: 3.2.16-2; experimental/non-free: 4.0.17-1 |
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| 12:36.35 | babilen | WormFood: That ^^ ? |
| 12:36.42 | WormFood | thewanderer1, that checkinstall sounds handy...I'll have to try it out for some other projects, but not suitable for this one I think ;) |
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| 12:37.26 | babilen | WormFood: (among a bunch of libcuda* libnvida* packages) |
| 12:37.49 | WormFood | hhhmmm....I have something not quite right |
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| 12:38.37 | Bushmills | sacredchao: unlikely - i'm using pidgin for XMPP |
| 12:38.39 | babilen | WormFood: Can't you backport the packages from sid? (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 12:38.43 | WormFood | it seems my repos are out of sync or something, because I don't see the cuda-toolkit |
| 12:38.58 | Bushmills | sacredchao: you're using sid? |
| 12:38.59 | babilen | WormFood: They are not in squeeze |
| 12:39.13 | WormFood | it is just a binary driver, that I prefer to install manually...now that I know it works right, I don't mind making a dpkg |
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| 12:39.45 | babilen | ,info libcuda1 --release sid |
| 12:39.47 | judd | Package libcuda1 (non-free/libs, optional) in sid/i386: NVIDIA CUDA runtime library. Version: 270.41.19-1; Size: 4311.5k; Installed: 10412k; Homepage: http://www.nvidia.com/CUDA |
| 12:40.15 | thewanderer1 | sacredchao: maybe you should check with some dummy server that your network packets are really not mangled... like, run wireshark on the local machine, setup netcat on a remote one, and compare the data that is sent and received at the other end |
| 12:40.23 | WormFood | anyways, my girlfriend just called me, so I gotta take off...I'll be back to revisit this later tonight or tomorrow...thanks for the URLs guys (I'll refer back to my logs, before asking more questions) ;P |
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| 12:47.20 | sacredchao | Bushmills: yes I am on sid |
| 12:47.45 | sacredchao | thewanderer1: but why would the same program be able to connect to other IM networks? |
| 12:47.55 | Bushmills | reliability of service may be a bit unreliable on sid |
| 12:48.30 | Bushmills | well, actually "service may be" |
| 12:48.39 | thewanderer1 | sacredchao: because a) some firewalls in the middle might capture XMPP or b) the XMPP library is broken in libpurple or w/e |
| 12:48.52 | thewanderer1 | yeah, sid would explain everything |
| 12:49.05 | thewanderer1 | I would be surprised if pidgin worked fine there :P |
| 12:49.08 | sacredchao | But Pidgin's packages were not updates |
| 12:49.12 | stew | istr someone else talking about a similar problem yesterday |
| 12:49.20 | sacredchao | the pidgin in sid and testing are the same |
| 12:49.32 | thewanderer1 | that doesn't make it any better :D |
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| 12:49.53 | sacredchao | it's an external library that pidgin is calling for TLS encryption that is breaking |
| 12:49.57 | sacredchao | is my hunch |
| 12:49.58 | jordanm | I have an issue with XMPP on pidgin where I have to manually uncheck and then check the XMPP account to get it to reconnect... yesterday I compiled a version manual to test and the same issue |
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| 12:50.43 | jordanm | I would assume the bug actually is in a lib, and not the pidgin binary itself |
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| 12:51.37 | ectospasm | does anyone know where the Perl plugins for urxvt live in the Debian filesystem (obviously, where they live by default) |
| 12:51.44 | sacredchao | I guess Pidgin's XMPP implementation is turning up all kinds of broken as of late |
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| 12:53.34 | bolt | ectospasm: dpkg -L <packagename> lists where the files for that package are stored |
| 12:54.29 | ectospasm | bolt: thanks, I'm partially delirious and forgot about that. |
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| 13:00.39 | sacredchao | Psi cannot connect to XMPP either |
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| 13:00.56 | sacredchao | I have already tried using a different INternet connection |
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| 13:02.16 | jollybob | Help! I installed catalyst and following the install manual, I added the unstable repo to sources.list. Now when I installed apache2 and PHP, I see that it is installing from the unstable repo. This makes me a bit worried. Do I need to be worried? |
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| 13:03.01 | babilen | jollybob: yes, you should. Please remove sid from your sources.list and don't install *any* packages from there, but backport selected ones as detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 13:04.01 | user12 | deb http://apt.k-inet.de/ lenny main |
| 13:04.08 | user12 | i have this line in my lenny server |
| 13:04.16 | user12 | what should i replace it with? |
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| 13:04.51 | stew | user12: one from here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 13:05.19 | user12 | can you write the complete line |
| 13:05.41 | stew | user12: what country are you in? |
| 13:05.50 | jollybob | babilen, should I uninstall apache2 and PHP, which were both installed with the unstable reppo? Also, what is 'sid'? |
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| 13:07.01 | rypervenche | jollybob: Why do you want the ones from unstable? |
| 13:07.18 | stew | jollybob: sid is the codename for unstable (they are the same thing) |
| 13:07.31 | jollybob | ok |
| 13:07.46 | babilen | jollybob: sid is unstable -- and yes, please remove them as you shouldn't have sid packages on a squeeze system. Also run 'apt-show-version | grep -e "/sid"' prior to that (install it if not yet installed) |
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| 13:13.57 | unixSnob | i had an abrupt shutdown once. Now whenever I bootup, gnome remembers windows that were up, and restores them... I don't want these windows restored. it's now permanent |
| 13:14.09 | unixSnob | any ideas? |
| 13:14.30 | rypervenche | unixSnob: Try deleting what is in ~/.cache/sessions/ when you're not logged in |
| 13:15.09 | babilen | unixSnob: or configure it somewhere in gnome-control-center → sessions |
| 13:15.19 | unixSnob | rypervenche: thanks for the suggestion, but I don't have a ~/.cache folder |
| 13:15.30 | unixSnob | babilen: ty.. i'll check it out |
| 13:16.21 | babilen | unixSnob: Ah, you want "gnome-control-center → Startup Applications → Options" |
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| 13:21.20 | unixSnob | babilen: I have a "sessions" option, but not a "startup applications". Startup Applications is actually a tab within "sessions" |
| 13:21.52 | unixSnob | babilen: and in there, I don't see gnome-terminal listed (gnome-terminal is one of the things that's comming up on login) |
| 13:21.55 | babilen | unixSnob: Ok -- My intuition wasn't that bad in then :) |
| 13:22.21 | unixSnob | maybe my problem isn't gnome |
| 13:22.31 | babilen | unixSnob: No, there is something like "Remember currently running programs" or "Remember programs when I lock out" (paraphrased -- I don't run Gnome) |
| 13:22.52 | unixSnob | babilen: yeah, i see that, and it's disabled |
| 13:23.38 | unixSnob | babilen: maybe I need to kill all windows, and then click the "save current session" button |
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| 13:23.55 | babilen | yes, that was more or less the idea |
| 13:24.27 | unixSnob | ok.. thanks for the help! |
| 13:24.33 | babilen | unixSnob: I would tell you where that is saved exactly, but I am not running Gnome and you can hunt down that information as fast as I can (presumably) |
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| 13:34.24 | kikokos | hi |
| 13:34.48 | rypervenche | Hey hey |
| 13:34.55 | becker_11 | Hi all. I have a problem. I created a new account on my Debian 6 laptop for my son to use but he can still use sudo which I didn't want plus he can see my files and open them which I definiately don't want. How can I fix this please? |
| 13:34.59 | kikokos | I've got stupid question, where can I get lenny 5.0 netinstall iso? I;m looking for 15 min :) |
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| 13:35.05 | becker_11 | Hi kikokos |
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| 13:35.35 | stew | kikokos: /msg dpkg lenny iso |
| 13:35.54 | Bushmills | becker_11: examine your /home/you permissions |
| 13:36.06 | Bushmills | (and change them if necessary) |
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| 13:36.11 | stew | becker_11: does "groups username" include sudo for that username? |
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| 13:37.02 | becker_11 | Bushmills permissions were set to 755 but I changed them to 750 |
| 13:37.06 | Bushmills | why did you add your son to the list of those permitted to use sudo if you don't like him to? |
| 13:37.12 | kikokos | stew, :D be blessed |
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| 13:37.39 | becker_11 | Bushmills: didn't add him to anything I simply used adduser and created an account |
| 13:37.51 | Bushmills | becker_11: what distribution? |
| 13:38.03 | becker_11 | stew: sorry I have no idea where to find that information on groups can I do it in the term |
| 13:38.04 | dkr | weird. shouldn't give sudo access by default |
| 13:38.15 | becker_11 | Bushmills: Crunchbang based on debian 6 |
| 13:38.15 | stew | becker_11: yes type "groups username" |
| 13:38.21 | Bushmills | becker_11: complain to them |
| 13:38.29 | dkr | doh, no wonder |
| 13:38.40 | stew | becker_11: ahh, wrong channel then, try #crunchbang |
| 13:38.41 | becker_11 | Bushmills: will do but would like to sort it out first |
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| 13:38.59 | dkr | !tell becker_11 about based on debian |
| 13:39.02 | becker_11 | stew thanks |
| 13:39.36 | becker_11 | stew that comes back as the users group and no other |
| 13:39.44 | dkr | it's a distro devoted to undoing sensible security measures of debian apparently? heh |
| 13:40.40 | Bushmills | well, seems like asking crunchbang questions here make one like like an idiot :) like making people wonder why they undid security themselves - not knowing that it appears to be distribution policy |
| 13:40.52 | becker_11 | okay final debian question then before I join #crunchbang does debian use su or sudo by default |
| 13:40.57 | Bushmills | look like .. |
| 13:41.14 | stew | becker_11: it installs su by default and sudo as an option |
| 13:41.27 | stew | Bushmills: can you please keep your comments constructive |
| 13:41.32 | becker_11 | stew: okay thanks |
| 13:41.37 | babilen | becker_11: Depends on what you choose during the installation, but generally speaking: su -- You can easily install sudo though. |
| 13:41.48 | becker_11 | babilen: thanks |
| 13:42.29 | Bushmills | stew: it rather is. reflecting on effects of asking questions about non-debian while everybody assumes debian is the used system. |
| 13:42.34 | dkr | the same way you can easily install openbox - which is apparently the real reason crunchbang exists - to use a different window manager by default |
| 13:42.59 | kikokos | bye |
| 13:43.00 | Bushmills | stew, musing because of "(15:37:06) Bushmills: why did you add your son to the list of those permitted to use sudo if you don't like him to?" |
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| 13:43.26 | Bushmills | stew: turns out it wasn't him. |
| 13:43.28 | stew | Bushmills: implying that he looks like an idiot isn't constructive, |
| 13:44.45 | MrFrood | Bushmills: no UTC ..? |
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| 13:46.30 | Bushmills | MrFrood: keen eyes you have |
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| 13:47.39 | MrFrood | all the better to see weird sh*t with :) |
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| 14:04.43 | jon8 | Running default debain 6, 64bit.. and i'm having a few problems with crontab.. crontab's i setup as 0 0 * * * /path/to/binary -- Do not seem to be running.. |
| 14:04.58 | jon8 | I grabbed chkconfig and did chkconfig --list | grep cron |
| 14:05.00 | jon8 | and this is what it returned.. |
| 14:05.04 | jon8 | cron 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off |
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| 14:05.14 | jon8 | i'm guessing, "off" is not good.. how do i turn them "on" |
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| 14:05.57 | wols_ | jon8: no need. cron is started when you enter runlevel 2 as shown above |
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| 14:06.09 | wols_ | and you always enter runlevel 2 when you boot your debian normally |
| 14:06.19 | jon8 | ok.. |
| 14:06.33 | jon8 | so how come some scripts aren't executing? they dont even show up in the cron.log |
| 14:06.35 | jon8 | ;-( |
| 14:06.35 | wols_ | jon8: just run "runlevel" to see in which one you are right now for example |
| 14:06.52 | jon8 | runlevel .. returns N 2 |
| 14:07.00 | Bushmills | jon8: /etc/crontab? missing cronjob owner. |
| 14:07.37 | jon8 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 724 Dec 19 00:36 /etc/crontab |
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| 14:08.14 | Bushmills | man 5 crontab |
| 14:08.31 | wols_ | jon8: he means inside the crontab file. there your entry would need an owner |
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| 14:09.05 | skamikaze | hi all |
| 14:09.09 | jon8 | wols_ http://pastebin.com/4tjy5dVa |
| 14:09.59 | wols_ | jon8: and? |
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| 14:10.49 | jon8 | i just put in '* * * * * wall test', read that it will spam 'test' to console every 2 minutes.. its not doing it :-/ |
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| 14:11.44 | skamikaze | i got a question on munin statistics for ntp as I am not a native english speaker - what's the difference between jitter and offset in ntp statistics? |
| 14:12.22 | wols_ | jon8: maybe you should read the manpage Bushmills told you about |
| 14:12.42 | skamikaze | i got a few php workers i am analysing atm and 1 e.g. shows big jitters and small offsets and 1 shows big offsets but zero jitter |
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| 14:13.36 | Bushmills | skamikaze: offset is server latency. jitter is by how much kept time changes |
| 14:13.50 | skamikaze | Bushmills: tyvm |
| 14:14.10 | jon8 | wols_ and Bushmills -- man 5 crontab has nothing to do with why crontab is not being executed in the first place. |
| 14:14.30 | Bushmills | jon8: if you say so |
| 14:14.37 | jon8 | 0 0 * * * /path/to/perlscript.pl is pretty self explainitory, the .pl has execution permissions as well |
| 14:14.57 | skamikaze | jon8: what's the problem with crontab? :) |
| 14:14.58 | jon8 | well, if you think so, all mighty person that you are, show me the line that states it in the man page, i've read it twice. |
| 14:15.19 | Bushmills | jon8: (16:07:00) Bushmills: jon8: /etc/crontab? missing cronjob owner. |
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| 14:17.01 | Bushmills | the proper format is of cours *not* described in man 5 crontab - as you say, that has nothing to do with why the cronjob won't run |
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| 14:17.39 | jon8 | Bushmills exactly, the problem is not described.. yet you tell me to read something that doesn't even talk about it.. |
| 14:17.40 | jon8 | which confuses me |
| 14:18.09 | Bushmills | crontab file format description has merely be added for decorative purposes |
| 14:18.28 | jon8 | skamikaze, my server is not executing user defined crontab entries |
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| 14:18.50 | jon8 | Bushmills i'm very sorry sir, that I cannot read between your lines. |
| 14:19.00 | jon8 | i must be retarded or something i guess |
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| 14:19.27 | skamikaze | Bushmills: if I may ask one more thing about munin ntp stats: if max offset was 1.07k, does that mean 1007 minutes offset? |
| 14:19.42 | skamikaze | jon8: $PATH and locales are fine? |
| 14:19.59 | stew | jon8: /etc/crontab is a "system cron file" which has a different syntax with an added user column |
| 14:20.05 | Bushmills | skamikaze: i think offset is expressed in ms. so 1 k ms are 1 sec :) |
| 14:20.11 | HideMe | Does anyone know what causes "Write failed: Broken pipe" to be written to console? |
| 14:20.21 | jon8 | stew i'm not talking about entries in /etc/crontab -- sigh. |
| 14:20.33 | stew | jon8: oh, sorry |
| 14:20.54 | Bushmills | "Running default debain 6, 64bit.. and i'm having a few problems with crontab.. crontab's i setup as 0 0 * * * /path/to/binary" - would be good to say so |
| 14:21.15 | jon8 | let me clearify, users who do, crontab -e, enter something to be ran at specific times using crontab.. aren't being executed. |
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| 14:21.51 | jon8 | they aren't even in the logs as being executed, and all scripts/binaries have the proper permissions to be executed |
| 14:21.58 | jon8 | thats the problem. not /etc/crontab |
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| 14:22.22 | jon8 | Bushmills, suggestions? |
| 14:22.44 | stew | jon8: "i just put in '* * * * * wall test', read that it will spam 'test' to console every 2 minutes" ; it probably doesn't find the file named "test" |
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| 14:23.09 | stew | jon8: perhaps you wanted echo test | wall |
| 14:23.47 | jon8 | stew -- changed, now we'll wait 2 minutes |
| 14:23.52 | jon8 | and see if it spams it out |
| 14:23.59 | Bushmills | jon8: replace your cronjob against something simple such as touch /tmp/foo. or /usr/bin/touch /tmp/foo |
| 14:24.04 | stew | jon8: * * * * * is every minute, not every 2, btw |
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| 14:24.49 | digilink | ok I'm officially going crazy trying to get this to work. How does one get an application to run at boot time as a specific user? I created a script and added it to /etc/init.d/ but it's not working and just found out the hard way that rc.local does not appear to work in Debian :( Hitting a brick wall with this.. anyone have any ideas? |
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| 14:25.29 | skamikaze | Bushmills: ty dude |
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| 14:25.47 | jon8 | stew & Bushmills, '* * * * * echo test | wall' worked.. so tell me why this doesn't.. '0 0 * * * /home/jon8/bin/reset >/dev/null 2>&1' |
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| 14:25.52 | stew | digilink: either method should work, but they would be run as root. an easy way to run something as another user during boot is to add a cronjob with "@reboot" instead of the first 5 columns |
| 14:26.09 | jon8 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 jon8 jon8 633192 May 28 01:31 reset |
| 14:26.10 | jon8 | ;( |
| 14:26.41 | stew | jon8: when are you expecting that to get run? |
| 14:26.42 | Bushmills | jon8: your executable, reset, seem to be the culprit |
| 14:26.53 | digilink | stew: thanks, I thought about that, I'll give it a shot |
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| 14:27.03 | jon8 | stew at midnight every night |
| 14:27.04 | Bushmills | as i have no idea what that is or what it does, i can't tell you what the problem with it is |
| 14:27.18 | dokma|2 | hey guyz.... I see strange characters in aptitude instead of ordinary frames around text |
| 14:27.18 | jon8 | Bushmills the binary works just fine when doing ./reset |
| 14:27.23 | dokma|2 | do I miss some packages |
| 14:27.28 | dkr | jon8: perhaps you should redirect to a log file instead of /dev/null :) |
| 14:27.34 | stew | jon8: what does "file /home/jon8/bin/reset" say it is? |
| 14:28.11 | jon8 | stew ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
| 14:28.17 | jon8 | dkr hmm?? |
| 14:28.38 | jon8 | dkr how? |
| 14:28.46 | dkr | jon8: because you are redirecting to /dev/null you aren't getting any error messages |
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| 14:28.55 | stew | jon8: replace /dev/null with a filename |
| 14:29.44 | stew | jon8: perhaps this binary is expecting somehting to be set in the environment that doesn't exist in the cron environment |
| 14:29.51 | Bushmills | executable may need a tty |
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| 14:30.16 | jon8 | >/dev/null 2>&1 .. change this to >/some/cool/logfile.log 2>&1 |
| 14:30.24 | jon8 | does that appened all errors, tho?? |
| 14:30.29 | jon8 | or just only one line? |
| 14:31.23 | dkr | all. assuming the reset program outputs something if an error occurs... |
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| 14:32.08 | jon8 | ok. |
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| 14:38.39 | messn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.20 | wols_ | not enabled by default, but I wouldn't know which package does such a thing either |
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| 14:39.25 | wols_ | messn: what cpu is it? |
| 14:39.34 | junix | hey i was wondering if i could get some help on this http://pastebin.com/acpQS38Z - I have 2 packages that won't install, do i need to do a apt-get -f install ??? |
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| 14:40.01 | messn | wols_: intel core duo 1.6 GHz |
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| 14:40.54 | wols_ | mah454: that one has throttling capability built into the CPU when it gets too hot |
| 14:40.54 | pipeline | messn: just to reassure you, your hardware will stop operating by its own devices before it actually damages itself |
| 14:40.59 | wols_ | no need for the OS to do anything |
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| 14:41.13 | wols_ | messn: ^^ |
| 14:41.23 | pipeline | messn: you can certainly configure software to do it ALSO, before the hardware's own means trigger, but the only thin that wins you is getting the sound of the fan to go away ;) |
| 14:41.35 | pipeline | this has been the case for a long time |
| 14:41.38 | wols_ | pipeline: which software? |
| 14:41.52 | pipeline | Intel Pentium IV and above have thermal chokes in'em |
| 14:42.07 | pipeline | wols_: you could wring out an acpid script I think |
| 14:42.21 | pipeline | wols_: no experience, never tried it :D |
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| 14:42.51 | wols_ | yes, cause shutting down fast enough to avoid damage (if there were no throttling, say athlonxp) is kinda hard |
| 14:43.56 | messn | pipeline: it's good to learn this. then no need to fear of a burning laptop. thank you |
| 14:44.30 | pipeline | wols_: istr athlon xp actually has a thermal cutoff, too, but it doesn't throttle |
| 14:44.38 | wols_ | pipeline: no it has not |
| 14:44.40 | pipeline | wols_: just WHOOPS internal thermistor is over 60C, STOP EVERYTHING |
| 14:45.08 | pipeline | wols_: thunderbird definitely lacked any thermal anything. istr palomino and above included a dumb cutoff of that kind. |
| 14:45.56 | wols_ | you remember wrong. no athlonxp has such a thing built in. thermal diode yes, cut off no. some motherboards had it but far from all |
| 14:46.06 | DammitJim | do you guys think that performance for a virtual machine could be improved if you had a separate hard drive for it? |
| 14:46.29 | wols_ | DammitJim: only if that separate drive is a SSD. not really |
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| 14:47.04 | DammitJim | 'cause a hard drive can read/write in multiple places at the same time, right? |
| 14:47.06 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: "separate"? not necessarily. "dedicated"? yeeees |
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| 14:47.13 | DammitJim | this virtual marchine business is starting to piss me off |
| 14:47.16 | wols_ | DammitJim: no it can't |
| 14:47.31 | DammitJim | I have a Debian host and a windows guest |
| 14:47.50 | DammitJim | I'm trying to improve performance on both |
| 14:47.50 | thewanderer1 | are you using an image file or an LVM or partition? |
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| 14:47.51 | DammitJim | I thought maybe by having a hard drive for Debian and one for Windows would help |
| 14:47.51 | vtts | DammitJim, if the current drive is actively used by other programs and your VM does a lot IO operations with it, then definitely yes |
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| 14:48.43 | wols_ | DammitJim: what are you exactly doing that is not fast enough for your taste? |
| 14:48.51 | wols_ | on both, host and guest |
| 14:49.05 | DammitJim | I'm compiling stuff on Debian (Netbeans and stuff) |
| 14:49.16 | DammitJim | and compiling stuff on the windows Guest through Visual Studio |
| 14:49.31 | DammitJim | I know I need more memory... so that's on my list |
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| 14:49.45 | DammitJim | but the hard drive seems to be accessed all the time |
| 14:50.02 | vtts | well if memory is a problem, you might be using swap which slows things down a lot |
| 14:50.06 | wols_ | DammitJim: compiling at the same time? and how much cache do you have on your host? |
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| 14:50.20 | jacksonz | it could be a lot of things making it slower |
| 14:50.21 | DammitJim | vtts, no swap is being used according to free |
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| 14:50.36 | DammitJim | yeah, that's why I'm trying to see what options I got |
| 14:50.37 | vtts | DammitJim, on VM also? |
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| 14:51.14 | DammitJim | vtts, you mean if the VM is using cache? I don't truly care about that one as much as my Debian host |
| 14:51.18 | jacksonz | you could go for a smaller distro |
| 14:52.10 | DammitJim | and the freakin' fan on this Precision laptop is blowing like a hurricane |
| 14:52.11 | vtts | DammitJim, if VM needs more memory it might be using swap on its own (not visible on host) |
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| 14:52.55 | dirtycookie | hi people, i'm trying to setup a mirror server but i get an error message |
| 14:52.55 | dirtycookie | http://pastebin.com/ivnJEtmz |
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| 14:53.20 | dirtycookie | can someone help |
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| 14:54.52 | Bushmills | dirtycookie: add i386 or amd64 |
| 14:54.56 | abrotman | dirtycookie: thought you were going to use approx? |
| 14:55.03 | Bushmills | (behind the binary-) |
| 14:55.47 | dirtycookie | abrotman: :) true but i want to gather some experience with the mirror first and then try on approx |
| 14:55.52 | jarray52 | I recently installed Debian on an entire hard disk with default options. /etc/fstab doesn't have the devices that should be mounted such as /dev/sda5. Do things work differently in Debian than other distros? |
| 14:56.31 | stew | jarray52: are there UUID= lines instead? |
| 14:56.36 | Bushmills | jarray52: debian can optionally use UUIDs to identify disk partitions |
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| 14:56.53 | jarray52 | stew: Yes. |
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| 14:57.03 | dirtycookie | Bushmills: this is my mirror.list |
| 14:57.04 | dirtycookie | http://pastebin.com/n7kAt5uf |
| 14:57.14 | jacksonz | how do you guys know all this? :d |
| 14:57.16 | abrotman | dirtycookie: honestly, approx is *extremely* easy to work with .. and it's a *far* better use of bandwidth than trying to do a mirror .. |
| 14:57.33 | dirtycookie | abortman: well i have a download of 5MB |
| 14:57.46 | abrotman | dirtycookie: you could have approx working in probably 10 minutes instead of the two days you've spent on the mirroring |
| 14:57.52 | thewanderer1 | hey, which netcat do I have to use with virt-manager, again? |
| 14:57.53 | wols_ | jacksonz: we cheat. abrotman printed a rolodex for each of us with every debian question asked and answered in here and mailed it to us |
| 14:58.03 | stew | jarray52: many distros are switching to this, since named like "sda" can change on you |
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| 14:58.39 | abrotman | the master set of questions looks like your local dry cleaner rack ... |
| 14:58.43 | jarray52 | Bushmills: Thanks. I'm seeing how this works. This gives me something to Google. |
| 14:58.56 | jacksonz | D: |
| 14:59.00 | Bushmills | dirtycookie: curl ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/unstable/main/ | grep binary |
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| 14:59.07 | stew | jarray52: you can "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" to resolve them back to device names |
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| 14:59.33 | Bushmills | or curl ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/ | grep binary, even |
| 14:59.44 | treebeen | jarray52: man blkid |
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| 14:59.48 | Night_Elf | Hello all. If anyone has used apt-offline, I will need some info. At the offline machine, I give: "apt-offline set signaturefile.sig --install-packages abuse" What I get in response is: Error: Unable to locate package abuse. FATAL: Something is wrong with the apt system. |
| 15:00.01 | treebeen | jarray52: or just run the command... |
| 15:00.01 | Night_Elf | Any ideas what is happening ? |
| 15:01.00 | deever | i'm trying to build icedove, but get the following error: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/399182/ |
| 15:01.02 | wols_ | Night_Elf: cause apt needs the package lists before it can install something. you normally use apt-get update to update them, but of course you need network access for that.... now you see why all offline apt tools are simply broken by design. no exceptions :( |
| 15:01.06 | deever | what's the issue here? |
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| 15:02.35 | thewanderer1 | hey, a libvirt client, virt-manager, requires that netcat-openbsd is installed on the managed host to work. whose Depends should netcat-openbsd be? |
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| 15:02.59 | wols_ | thewanderer1: check pdo |
| 15:03.16 | stew | thewanderer1: is this a trick question? |
| 15:03.33 | _michi_ | Hello there, I am planning to use `id -gn root` to portably guess which group root belongs to, but maybe some of you is aware of more pertinent autoconf statement? |
| 15:03.40 | thewanderer1 | wols_, stew: no, but there's a glitch here |
| 15:04.13 | _michi_ | this is useful on a system like debian, where this group is not `wheel` |
| 15:04.22 | stew | thewanderer1: libvirt-bin Recommends: netcat-openbsd |
| 15:04.25 | thewanderer1 | namely, libvirt-bin has netcat-openbsd in Recommends, which is totally acceptable, but virt-manager uses "nc" (NOT nc.openbsd), and if you have a few kinds of netcat on the target system, it fails |
| 15:04.36 | Night_Elf | wols_: I understand. I was as well wondering indeed on how would the offline machine would come to know there is an package named abuse at all. Ideally I would think that it can be done by just adding a, say, "syncronise" command in addition to "get" and set". |
| 15:04.36 | thewanderer1 | yeah but I had nc6 and netcat-traditional |
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| 15:05.02 | thewanderer1 | so is there a solution to this? |
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| 15:05.09 | wols_ | Night_Elf: I haven't found a offline apt solution which allows you to get the package files to the offline system yet |
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| 15:05.24 | thewanderer1 | I mean, it's simple for me to do "update-alternatives --set nc /bin/nc.openbsd", but not everyone might want to do that |
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| 15:05.56 | stew | thewanderer1: sounds like perhaps libvirt-bin should be changed to call nc.openbsd directly |
| 15:06.16 | thewanderer1 | stew: yeah, although I'm not sure it's the server part which does that |
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| 15:07.11 | Night_Elf | wols_: pity. To think that the request for such a feature is trivial to define: Get a cool program via removable media to install on your system, something maybe a friend has and you liked it. |
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| 15:08.12 | thewanderer1 | Night_Elf: then you use dpkg without apt |
| 15:08.50 | Night_Elf | thewanderer1: but the dependencies? If package abuse depends on A, which depends on B and which depends on C, how would I know that beforehand ? |
| 15:09.21 | thewanderer1 | Night_Elf: that's why all dependencies should be shipped on the medium |
| 15:10.07 | thewanderer1 | but, the more likely scenario nowadays is: a friend gives you a link to a repository... :P |
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| 15:10.16 | Night_Elf | thewanderer1: true that. But is there a way to do that? To find this out? I was trying apt-offline. |
| 15:10.17 | wols_ | thewanderer1: that doesn't answer his question how he should know |
| 15:10.22 | Bushmills | there are also debian dvds |
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| 15:10.34 | Night_Elf | thewanderer1: oh well.. But I don't have internet at home :) |
| 15:11.07 | thewanderer1 | wols_: yeah, true... a tool still has to be used to construct the set of packages to be transported |
| 15:11.33 | wols_ | thewanderer1: and as I said, all of them are not worth the bytes they take up on disk |
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| 15:12.02 | Night_Elf | apt-offline claims to do that, but to my understanding, it lacks a step where the offline machine comes to know the available set of packages there exist. |
| 15:12.26 | Night_Elf | There exist on the net that is. |
| 15:14.40 | thewanderer1 | um, I fail to see a connection between the "net" packages and the ones you ship on the media |
| 15:15.13 | wols_ | thewanderer1: yes, that's the problem |
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| 15:15.42 | Night_Elf | thewanderer1: oh. For example I only have CD1 for installation and that's what I use on the offline machine. But my friend has an online machine and uses the debian repositories to install stuff from there. |
| 15:16.15 | Night_Elf | thewanderer1: now, how can I get some software which my friend has, to my machine at home, which has never seen the internet and never will. |
| 15:17.25 | thewanderer1 | Night_Elf: I would go this way: make a clean chroot at the friend, apt-get -d install packagesyouwant; copy all debs from /var/cache/apt/archives to a CD/pendrive/whatever and carry them |
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| 15:17.55 | Mmike | chmod works only on files that I own, right? No matter if file is 664, and it's in the same grup as I am, if I'm not owner of the file I can't do chmod? |
| 15:18.00 | stew | sounds like apt-zip... |
| 15:18.40 | stew | Mmike: right |
| 15:18.58 | Night_Elf | thewanderer1: mmm, the chroot is quite a nice idea. I never thought of it. Interesting indeed. And the list of packages that the friend/online machine has is what my own/offline has. |
| 15:19.12 | Cybercomunitte | hai all give me free account shells pls |
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| 15:19.32 | Night_Elf | lol Cybercomunitte |
| 15:19.35 | thewanderer1 | Cybercomunitte: google it please |
| 15:19.46 | stew | Cybercomunitte: wrong channel. this channel is for debian support only. |
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| 15:21.13 | thewanderer1 | Night_Elf: it could be useful to keep the chroot around if you want to get more packages and avoid carrying duplicate dependencies |
| 15:21.37 | thewanderer1 | Night_Elf: besides, there is IP over Avian Carriers :) |
| 15:21.40 | apofis | LOL : http://shellmix.com/index.php/free-account |
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| 15:21.50 | apofis | Im wondering how they make money |
| 15:22.29 | Night_Elf | thewanderer1: hehe, I will soon breed herds and flocks of pigeons |
| 15:22.36 | wols_ | thewanderer1: the pigeons went on strike cause the damn flash drives are too heavy to carry. it's unfair competition by the african swallows they claim |
| 15:23.04 | thewanderer1 | wols_: no no, the original IPoAC used paper and OCR... :P |
| 15:23.15 | junix | hey i was wondering if i could get some help on this http://pastebin.com/acpQS38Z - I have 2 packages that won't install, do i need to do a apt-get -f install ??? |
| 15:23.18 | Night_Elf | wols_: thewanderer1: fear not my friends. Soon the locusts will be here. |
| 15:23.31 | wols_ | well tech moved on. they found out that flash drives exist |
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| 15:29.10 | ma3x | i dont get it, while in X keyboard stops working randomly. I got nothing in the logs. it just stops responding and if i want to type i should hold a button for 3 secs to have one letter displayed at a time |
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| 15:31.05 | ma3x | any ideas how to stop this happening |
| 15:31.35 | jarray52 | Is there an apt command or other tool that allows me to determine what package contains a file? For example, how do I determine what package I need to install to get Python.h? |
| 15:32.03 | thewanderer1 | jarray52: apt-file, see packages.debian.org or ask judd (bot) |
| 15:32.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | ma3x: on squeeze? |
| 15:32.37 | ma3x | no, on lenny |
| 15:32.44 | ma3x | i still use lenny |
| 15:32.45 | deever | i'm trying to build icedove, but get the following error: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/399182/ |
| 15:32.48 | deever | what's the issue here? |
| 15:33.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | ma3x: does the whole x-server freeze? |
| 15:33.45 | thewanderer1 | deever: I think that's because some function that you enabled (perhaps implicitly) is not implemented for the arch you're building on |
| 15:34.01 | thewanderer1 | like Chromium and its Assembler snippets you know |
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| 15:35.21 | babilen | deever: Which platform are you building on and are you building the Debian package? (as in "/msg dpkg ssb") |
| 15:35.41 | deever | thewanderer1: i'm only compiling a new version, an older one i have installed from binary deb! ;) |
| 15:35.57 | deever | squeeze on amd64 |
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| 15:36.16 | deever | babilen: so nothing special |
| 15:36.19 | stew | deever: how are you building it? with somehting like debuild/dpkg-buildpacakge/etc? or with ./configure and make |
| 15:36.19 | babilen | deever: Ah, no you are not building from the Debian package. I would suggest to backport it manually from sid. |
| 15:36.34 | babilen | stew: Looks like ./configure ; make |
| 15:37.00 | deever | babilen, stew: yes, i'm using the deb src pkg |
| 15:37.20 | babilen | is blind :) |
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| 15:38.02 | deever | i'm taking the source package from the icedove's wheezy version and trying to build it under squeeze |
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| 15:42.52 | thewanderer1 | deever: yeah, but how? debian/rules ? |
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| 15:43.37 | jarray52 | thewanderer1: Thanks. Knowing of apt-file was helpful. |
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| 15:44.24 | superlinux | hi, in php I can't see the errors and warnings. and I dont know why>?!! if I remove a semicolon at the end of a statement the warning/error does not show up! |
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| 15:45.13 | superlinux | so guys: what should I do? |
| 15:45.30 | jarray52 | When I run apt-file search mpic++-vt , I don't see the binary. Is there a reason this binary is not available in Debian stable? |
| 15:45.33 | babilen | superlinux: Ask ##php? |
| 15:46.01 | superlinux | babilen, it didn't used to be in debian lenny |
| 15:46.05 | ma3x | KaffeeJunky123: no just the keyboard disappears, mouse and everyting else works normal. |
| 15:46.23 | ma3x | KaffeeJunky123: something wrong with the repeat rate suddenly, i have to hold one letter 3 seconds to display it on the screen |
| 15:46.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | ma3x: that sounds like an accessability function to me |
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| 15:47.14 | babilen | superlinux: Is this happening in a Debian packaged PHP application or your own code? If the latter is the case, then it might very well be the case that your code is not running properly with the PHP version in Squeeze. |
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| 15:47.28 | stew | superlinux: how are you running the php? via apache? cli? |
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| 15:47.50 | ma3x | KaffeeJunky123: what do you mean? i dont have any accessibility features installed |
| 15:47.52 | superlinux | babilen, i think i have to solve it myself |
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| 15:47.57 | babilen | superlinux: You have to provide more information for us to be able to help. What are your doing? When does the error occur? What is the code you are executing? ... |
| 15:48.20 | SparFux | Hi. I cannot mount ntfs filesystems anymore. Using ntfs-3g. |
| 15:48.24 | superlinux | babilen, it looks like the errors in PHP in debian are suppressed |
| 15:48.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | ma3x: go into system->settings->keyboard and select the accessability tab |
| 15:48.45 | deever | thewanderer1: these are the commands i'm running after fetching the 3 files of the src pkg: |
| 15:48.53 | deever | dpkg-source -x icedove_3.1.10-1.dsc; cd icedove-3.1.10; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 15:49.07 | ma3x | it's disabled KaffeeJunky123 |
| 15:49.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | ma3x: there's a slider to set how long you must press a key for it to be accepted |
| 15:49.13 | ma3x | trust me it's not accessibility thing |
| 15:49.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | well, it was just an idea |
| 15:49.31 | ma3x | when i hold a key the letter appears double |
| 15:49.37 | ma3x | that wouldn't help much disabled persons |
| 15:49.44 | stew | superlinux: error reporting in debian should be controllable from php.ini just like on any other distro |
| 15:50.00 | superlinux | stew right |
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| 15:50.34 | superlinux | stew, it works now. i had to reload apache2 |
| 15:50.41 | SparFux | I can't mount the ntfs partition, just nothing happens, some disk access and that's it. mount does not say anything and dmesg neither. |
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| 15:51.59 | deever | stew, thewanderer1, babilen: any ideas? |
| 15:52.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | ma3x: did you try a dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration yet? |
| 15:52.45 | stew | KaffeeJunky123: i don't think that existed on lenny |
| 15:53.00 | babilen | deever: Hang on, I'm just compiling the package to see if it works. It compiles just fine so far. build-deps are installed and all that? Does "apt-get -b source icedove" behave differently? How far into the build process does the error occur? |
| 15:53.00 | ma3x | hah, damn right |
| 15:53.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: possible |
| 15:53.10 | ma3x | it doesnt |
| 15:53.28 | Tuttle | Hello. I need to change the dependency of certain scripts /etc/rcS.d/S*. Namely start networking before cryptdisks-early because I want to read my key from the network. What is the most correct Debian way of doing that? |
| 15:53.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | since your problem occours only in Xorg I'd guess something in the configuration is messed up |
| 15:54.13 | thewanderer1 | Tuttle: hm, change the headers? |
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| 15:54.29 | stew | Tuttle: are you using dependency based boot? or not? |
| 15:54.46 | Tuttle | stew: I have Squeeze as it installed itself. |
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| 15:54.56 | deever | babilen: i should have taken apt-src, shouldn't i? ;) |
| 15:55.38 | deever | babilen: i manually downloaded the source package's 3 files and then some newer versions of the deps too... |
| 15:55.38 | SparFux | And I get fuse error 21 as $? in return. |
| 15:55.55 | babilen | deever: So, how fast do you run into this problem? (i.e. when does the build fail?) |
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| 15:57.53 | deever | babilen: wait...i'm restarting |
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| 16:02.20 | ma3x | ok thanks |
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| 16:03.19 | DammitJim | what is a good chm viewer? |
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| 16:05.46 | wols_ | DammitJim: I don't think there are too many of that. personally, I'd suggest wine and any windows one of your choosing :) |
| 16:06.23 | Ikarus | chm brrr |
| 16:06.30 | daemonkeeper | Well given the fact CHM is nothing but crippled HTML, its easy enough to convert them back to HTML or use a dedicated CHM viewer |
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| 16:06.56 | babilen | deever: still building fwiw :) (apt-get -b source icedove that is) |
| 16:07.10 | daemonkeeper | So no need to stress Windows. |
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| 16:07.45 | wols_ | daemonkeeper: from what I remember chm is heavily activex infested to make it work. hard to get a linux browser to understand that :( |
| 16:08.23 | daemonkeeper | Not directly, but last time I felt like reading a chm I could convert it painlessly to plain HTML |
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| 16:09.59 | Furai` | hmm |
| 16:10.16 | Furai` | How one would add backports repos? |
| 16:10.28 | Furai` | I did it once but forgot... |
| 16:10.30 | Spec | !backports |
| 16:10.32 | Spec | :( |
| 16:11.12 | dkr | Furai`: http://www.backports.org/Instructions/ |
| 16:11.25 | Furai` | ahh, thx |
| 16:11.56 | daemonkeeper | If I could remember apt's action character I'd suggest you to use apt instead, Spec |
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| 16:12.11 | localtoast | you should all host a debian conference in dallas |
| 16:12.14 | localtoast | debian does dallas |
| 16:12.33 | daemonkeeper | Well, you can organize Debconf 13 ;) |
| 16:12.40 | dkr | `backports |
| 16:12.49 | Spec | what happend to the dpkg bot? |
| 16:12.51 | babilen | %backports |
| 16:12.56 | daemonkeeper | % is dselect |
| 16:12.58 | daemonkeeper | gone as well |
| 16:13.02 | babilen | gah! |
| 16:13.10 | Spec | apt: backports |
| 16:13.10 | apt | somebody said backports was http://www.backports.org |
| 16:13.15 | Spec | lame :p |
| 16:13.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | Spec: nothing |
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| 16:13.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | Spec: atleast, it worked for me some seconds ago |
| 16:13.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh |
| 16:13.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's gone :< |
| 16:13.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | we're doomed |
| 16:14.01 | daemonkeeper | Well, there is till apt |
| 16:14.06 | daemonkeeper | ,backports |
| 16:14.12 | daemonkeeper | another guess? |
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| 16:14.54 | stew | Furai`: there are instructions a backports.debian.org |
| 16:15.39 | reber | hi. Can't read a dvd. Any clues ? [mp3 @ 0xb702c7f0] Could not find codec parameters (Audio: mp1, 0 channels, s16) libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/remi/.dvdnav/DVDVolume.map' libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fd0000. Regions: 2 |
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| 16:19.41 | Tuttle | Anybody aware of the cleanest way to add a dependency between the two /etc/rcS.d scripts upon boot (Debian Squeeze)? |
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| 16:21.11 | stew | Tuttle: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 16:21.14 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 16:22.42 | Tuttle | stew: is it the cleanest to directly modify the init.d scripts maintained by the system? i'm researching about /etc/insserv/overrides, but experiments are not successful |
| 16:23.12 | Voronica | Wow congrats to debian being the only stable platform other than solaris to run on sparc64. I mean gentoo does too although who wants to run an operating system that doesn't even come w/ a dhcp client. |
| 16:24.00 | daemonkeeper | I'm pretty sure Gentoo has |
| 16:24.13 | daemonkeeper | However that's certainly off-topic here |
| 16:24.37 | babilen | Voronica: You might want to tell #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net as well, as they are the people that work on it. I'm sure they appreciate a "Thank you" :) |
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| 16:25.31 | babilen | deever: build succeeded |
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| 16:27.18 | deever | babilen: thats my log: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3994380/building-icedove |
| 16:27.37 | stew | Tuttle: if you are using insserv, that is probably the cleanest way. |
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| 16:28.24 | Tuttle | stew: i don't know if i want to use insserv. i'm researching the best way. finding nearly no documentation |
| 16:28.36 | deever | babilen: thanks for your help, btw! ;) |
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| 16:29.13 | deever | babilen: sorry, i must leave, but 'll be back afterwards...;) |
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| 16:29.25 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 16:30.10 | babilen | deever: That is on amd64/squeeze and by following "/msg dpkg ssb" ? |
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| 16:31.38 | facelift | hello |
| 16:31.51 | facelift | anyone use yacc? |
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| 16:33.30 | noahfx | facelift: I only have used cup, it's yacc based |
| 16:33.32 | babilen | facelift: Plenty of people do, you find some in ##parsers. |
| 16:34.23 | facelift | dudes, who are using yacc or bison? |
| 16:34.26 | facelift | anyone? |
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| 16:35.00 | babilen | facelift: What would you ask this hypothetical person and what does this have to do with Debian? |
| 16:35.21 | facelift | nothing with debian |
| 16:35.37 | facelift | i want to ask about how to know |
| 16:35.42 | facelift | .... |
| 16:35.43 | facelift | um |
| 16:35.45 | facelift | look |
| 16:35.48 | facelift | like in bash |
| 16:35.54 | daemonkeeper | --> ##parsers |
| 16:36.03 | babilen | facelift: I would recommend to choose a different channel than #debian in that case. ##parsers for example. Thank you. |
| 16:36.19 | facelift | ok, i will try |
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| 16:40.09 | facelift | there are silence |
| 16:40.23 | facelift | everyone is sleeping |
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| 16:41.56 | facelift | I want to ask question about yacc/bison: How can I know that my input is wrong or it's incomplete? Just like in bash, when you type $ if, and press enter, than you can add some commands |
| 16:42.03 | facelift | to finish this command |
| 16:42.08 | babilen | facelift: It is still not on-topic here. You could also head over to, say, stackoverflow or search for better IRC channels yourself. |
| 16:42.25 | facelift | maybe someone know |
| 16:42.32 | facelift | here |
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| 16:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | !enter |
| 16:46.20 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:46.39 | simonlnu | facelift: you mean command completion? how about you google for it? |
| 16:47.31 | simonlnu | facelift: seems no one knows (or cares) here, and i sort of doubt you did that already. so try that first, while you're waiting for a reply in ##parsers. |
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| 16:48.04 | Shadur | stackexchange is good. |
| 16:48.42 | simonlnu | those two stack* sites have a lot of competent people on them |
| 16:48.52 | babilen | indeed |
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| 16:49.22 | Shadur | I really like the way the reputation system works there, too. |
| 16:49.59 | simonlnu | that's probably why, or the engineering/technical aspect of it anyway |
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| 16:50.22 | babilen | Ok, lets not take it even further off-topic than it already is. |
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| 16:50.51 | simonlnu | yeh, you read my mind =) |
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| 16:51.26 | simonlnu | -> #d-o |
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| 17:04.10 | junix | hey i was wondering if i could get some help on this http://pastebin.com/acpQS38Z - I have 2 packages that won't install, do i need to do a apt-get -f install ??? |
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| 17:05.38 | stew | junix: did you see this: Multiple entries named 'utmp' in /etc/gshadow. Please fix this with pwck or grpck |
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| 17:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | junix: Ater that aptitude -f install. |
| 17:06.13 | junix | stew, i tried that |
| 17:06.21 | stew | junix: you tried what, exactly? |
| 17:06.28 | junix | pwck and grpck |
| 17:06.42 | Lynx__ | I've got alsa installed but theres no sound, note that with redhat there's sound |
| 17:06.48 | Lynx__ | any idea? |
| 17:07.03 | daemonkeeper | junix: *how* did you use those? |
| 17:07.18 | junix | i ran the command |
| 17:07.37 | stew | junix: i believe that those should just help you identify errors, you might need to fix it by hand using vigr -s |
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| 17:07.58 | daemonkeeper | Although I'm curious how this happened after all |
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| 17:08.06 | junix | no idea |
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| 17:08.58 | stew | junix: for the prelude-lml, you'll have to figure out why the init script doesn't start. you can try stoping it first to see if 'start' only works if its not already started |
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| 17:09.21 | stew | junix: or you can try debugging it by running "bash -x /etc/init.d/prelude-lml start" to try to see where it fails |
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| 17:09.58 | stew | (and obligatory: "telnetd? yikes") |
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| 17:11.27 | wols_ | stew: that was what I thought when I saw that :) |
| 17:12.15 | frewsxcv | in arch, there's an array you fill out for daemons you want to load on startup. is there an equivalent in debian? |
| 17:14.03 | stew | frewsxcv: perhaps with file-rc, however I'd be reluctant ro recommend it, since most of the rest of debian is headed in a different direction towards insserv for now and perhaps systemd in the future. have a look at "man update-rc.d" for the recommended ways of enabling/disabling services |
| 17:14.33 | frewsxcv | man that's annoying, wish it was as simple as arch |
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| 17:16.58 | junix | stew, i did telnetd for a coworker here....only accessed from the inside |
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| 17:18.43 | Lynx__ | anyone know why there's no sound on my debian? i've got access to audio usergroup, all alsa things installed, etc. works fine with other distros! |
| 17:19.09 | babilen | frewsxcv: There are some frontends, such as sysv-rc-conf or rcconf |
| 17:19.49 | babilen | frewsxcv: Make sure you read the README.Debian of them though. |
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| 17:19.58 | jhutchins_lt | frewsxcv: Gnome & KDE have applets. |
| 17:20.03 | karlpinc_ | I canceled a print job and it's still shows up when I list the print queue (lprm followed by lpq). The printer is attached to a different box from the box where the queue lives and all the print processing is done (which is where I submitted, canceled, and am listing the queue.) |
| 17:20.13 | jhutchins_lt | frewsxcv: There's also chkconfig |
| 17:20.42 | karlpinc_ | frewsxcv: There's info in /usr/share/doc/insserv/. |
| 17:20.50 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc_: Try restarting the cups daemon. |
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| 17:21.32 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: Will do. But right now there's a bunch of stuff in thq queue and I want to wait until it empties. This will likely take a couple of hours. |
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| 17:22.04 | karlpinc_ | !tell frewsxcv about readme.debian |
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| 17:22.47 | frewsxcv | jhutchins_lt: this is for a server |
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| 17:24.31 | jhutchins_lt | frewsxcv: The start-up daemons are managed with symlinks in the /etc/rc#.d/ directories that link to scripts in /etc/init.d/ They're prioritized by numerical prefixes, and by S for start and K for kill. |
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| 17:25.01 | jhutchins_lt | frewsxcv: Utilities like rcconf or chkconfig check the scripts for dependencies and such and create those links for you. |
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| 17:26.09 | SIG_IGN | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.33 | babilen | SIG_IGN: Never do that in a channel -- And change your password *now* |
| 17:26.35 | karlpinc_ | So much for that secret |
| 17:28.01 | babilen | SIG_IGN: Better to do it automatically or by using SASL anyway -- follow up questions in #freenode. </offtopic> |
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| 17:28.38 | tech13 | odd, that is the same secret as my luggage. I'll have to change that. |
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| 17:29.46 | SIG_IGN | sorry |
| 17:29.53 | SIG_IGN | doing it now |
| 17:30.38 | babilen | SIG_IGN: No problem, if you need help "/join #freenode" and ask there. The opers will know what to do if you have problems. |
| 17:30.57 | granjero | hi, |
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| 17:31.24 | wols_ | seems I need to update my colinux if I want to update my debian |
| 17:31.48 | granjero | can u help me choose a debian distro for office use? |
| 17:32.05 | jordanm | !tell granjero about why debian |
| 17:32.06 | ansgar | granjero: There is only one distribution called Debian. |
| 17:32.16 | granjero | version? |
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| 17:32.25 | granjero | my english is a bit rusty |
| 17:32.25 | babilen | granjero: Use the stable version (i.e. Squeeze) |
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| 17:33.38 | Ryushin | Anyone here running unstable? If so, can you see if ntfs-3g can mount a ntfs volume. I think the whole fuse and ntfs-3g software is borked in unstable right now. |
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| 17:34.10 | stew | Ryushin: i assume you've checked the bts? |
| 17:34.12 | babilen | Ryushin: You might have more luck in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- Please also check the BTS |
| 17:34.18 | SIG_IGN | I maintain a debian server which runs a mail server, http,ftp and samba (intranet server) . But it is difficult to maintain the user list. It is possible to integrate them to openldap ? |
| 17:34.52 | SIG_IGN | ldap is running fine and authenticating users |
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| 17:35.06 | SIG_IGN | i need for mail and ftp |
| 17:35.53 | ax-ax | hey |
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| 17:36.07 | ax-ax | i bought this gparted addon for linux on my imac and i cant open it |
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| 17:36.12 | ax-ax | it says "neptunusfisk is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported" |
| 17:36.18 | ax-ax | anyone know where i should transfer the money for this? |
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| 17:36.35 | wols_ | ax-ax: huh? |
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| 17:37.04 | ksk | if its not a joke: your not allowed to use "sudo" ask your admin about it ;) |
| 17:37.38 | Ryushin | stew and babilen: Yea, I checked the BTS, nothing that I can find at this point. I'll keep digging though. |
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| 17:37.53 | eshat | Is there a image pastebin ? |
| 17:38.08 | rypervenche | eshat: imagebin.org |
| 17:38.09 | wols_ | eshat: imageshack and otehr pic hosting sites |
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| 17:38.20 | eshat | rypervenche: wols_ thanks |
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| 17:39.13 | babilen | Ryushin: I have unfortunately no NTFS filesystems around right now. But ask in #debian-next, maybe somebody can help you to debug this issue. |
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| 17:42.22 | Ryushin | babilen: Thanks, I will. I appreciate the feedback. |
| 17:42.47 | stew | Ryushin: are you getting some error? or what exactly happens? |
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| 17:43.31 | Ryushin | I can't even debug it. The debug option produces no output what so ever. |
| 17:44.10 | karlpinc_ | SIG_IGN: Sure. You use pam for ftp and read the docs for your mail server. (I imagine most support ldap, I know postfix does.) |
| 17:44.11 | flocky | Hello. Anyone know how to work with oidentd? I got it installed on my debian server and all my eggdrops connect with the same ident. I would like to change that. |
| 17:44.28 | Ryushin | This is one possible bug for it. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=628534 I haven't tried mounting my root file system in ro yet to see if it is the same bug. |
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| 17:44.47 | SIG_IGN | using postfix+dovecot |
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| 17:45.10 | SIG_IGN | any link to a good howto ? |
| 17:45.26 | karlpinc_ | Ok, so the trick to getting photos to print nicely on an inkjet is to use gimp to print, and when printing be sure to tell the print dialog about the type of paper and that you're printing a photo. |
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| 17:46.02 | karlpinc_ | SIG_IGN: Check via postfix.org. You may also read the readme.debian files. |
| 17:46.11 | karlpinc_ | SIG_IGN: For dovecot you'd use pam. That's easy. |
| 17:46.22 | karlpinc_ | !tell SIG_IGN about readme.debian. |
| 17:46.36 | Kream | Currently, security.debian.org is REALLY slow for me (from a datacentre in New Delhi, India). Is this currently a known issue? |
| 17:46.40 | Justin | Ryushin: changing the permissions on /etc/mtab should have the same effect |
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| 17:46.57 | Kream | I'm talking 1205B/s slow |
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| 17:47.03 | Justin | Kream: security.debian.org is more than one machine |
| 17:47.17 | hark__ | hi, do i need the mips or mipsel for this cpu: Ikanos Fusiv Core MIPS 24K V4.12 |
| 17:47.19 | karlpinc_ | SIG_IGN: I believe there's examples included in the postfix install. See /usr/local/share/postfix*/examples/ or some such place. |
| 17:47.29 | stew | /usr/local? |
| 17:47.53 | karlpinc_ | SIG_IGN: Oops. Not /usr/local/ /usr/share/.... |
| 17:48.00 | Kream | Justin: no doubt. it's steffani.debian.org for me |
| 17:48.07 | Kream | and it's really slow |
| 17:48.23 | karlpinc_ | SIG_IGN: Or maybe those are in a postfix-doc package, I forget. (aptitude search postfix) |
| 17:49.06 | SIG_IGN | thanks for the info . i wud go through them |
| 17:49.10 | SIG_IGN | :) |
| 17:49.20 | Kream | this is insane... 2 hours to download a kernel file from a machine on a 1gbit link in a datacentre. |
| 17:49.41 | jhutchins_lt | Kream: Perhaps a different server. |
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| 17:49.46 | Kream | is security.debian.org slow for anyone else? |
| 17:50.06 | Kream | and is it pointing to anything other than steffani.debian.org for them? |
| 17:50.13 | wols_ | Kream: next time don't download the extracted and compiled kernel tree but only the bz2 archive :P |
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| 17:50.33 | Kream | wols_: next time, don't assume I'm doing anything other than aptitude -v full-upgrade |
| 17:50.52 | karlpinc_ | Kream: You could clear your dns cache and hope to get another box. |
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| 17:51.28 | Kream | linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 is what its slow as molasses on. |
| 17:51.34 | Kream | which is why I said kernel |
| 17:52.10 | Kream | okay, trying to clear dns cache |
| 17:52.19 | jhutchins_lt | Kream: It's not particularly slow. .38 is supposed to be slower, but not in ways the average user would notice. What are you are comparing it to that you think is faster? |
| 17:52.38 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: He's talking about the time it takes to download. |
| 17:52.47 | stew | i doubt that the dns for these machines has changed recently enough to warrant clearing dns cache |
| 17:52.57 | stew | unless the caching dns server is broken |
| 17:53.24 | jhutchins_lt | stew: If it's using rrdns instead of geoip it might give him a different answer. |
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| 17:53.27 | stew | i had schein.debian.org be slow to respond on one machine, and not for another machine in the same location |
| 17:53.35 | stew | jhutchins_lt: its using neither |
| 17:53.47 | Kream | jhutchins_lt: currently, 44% done of linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 @ ~4000B/s |
| 17:53.47 | stew | or i don't know what you mean by rrdns |
| 17:54.16 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Round Robin or Random Reply. Different answer for each query. |
| 17:54.48 | stew | jhutchins_lt: his caching dns server should have all the A records cached. flushing the cache will just cause them all to be cached again |
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| 17:56.19 | Justin | Kream: does it help if you kill the download and restart it? |
| 17:56.26 | rutski | is unstable always called sid? and is testing always called wheezy? |
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| 17:56.47 | Kream | Justin: nope, tried that |
| 17:56.53 | nkuttler | !tell rutski about sid |
| 17:56.54 | stew | rutski: unstable is always called sid. testing is currently called wheezy. wheezy will become stable and somehting else will be created to be the new testing |
| 17:57.04 | rutski | ahh, noted; interesting |
| 17:57.06 | wols_ | rutski: sid is always unstable yes. testing gets a new name each time. one day wheezy will be stable and squeeze oldstable |
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| 17:57.17 | karlpinc_ | rutski: New to debian? |
| 17:57.18 | Kream | jhutchins_lt: i also switched from google's dns servers to opendns servers and i got schein.debian.org instead of steffani... same problem |
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| 17:57.34 | rutski | karlpinc_: nope, been using it for years; just wasn't every really sharp on upgrades |
| 17:57.43 | rutski | *ever |
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| 17:58.17 | jhutchins_lt | Kream: Any other moderately large downloads giving you problems? Could there be a misconfiguration on your network? |
| 17:58.19 | stew | Kream: i would guess your problem is more general, like "Servers in the US are slow for me" |
| 17:58.23 | karlpinc_ | Kream: Maybe there's congestion between you and elsewhere. |
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| 17:58.50 | Kream | jhutchins_lt: nope, I just downloaded a fedora iso from japan at near 10mbit/sec |
| 17:59.06 | McFadden | I have a local installed java in my home directory. It's appended to $PATH in .bashrc. Yet, "which java" returns /usr/bin/java, which is the system-wide java. It this because of /etc/alternatives/java pointing to that java? If so, how can I override it for just this user? |
| 17:59.15 | Kream | perhaps there is congestion indeed. |
| 17:59.18 | stew | Kream: so us is slow and japan is fast |
| 17:59.34 | Kream | stew: yup. i just wondered if it was an issue for anyone else *sigh* |
| 17:59.45 | stew | McFadden: prepend it to PATH instead of appending it |
| 17:59.58 | jhutchins_lt | Does japan have a debian security server? Or maybe France? Switzerland was always fast for me with Mandriva, but I haven't had congestion problems with Debian. |
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| 18:00.05 | stew | jhutchins_lt: no, they are all in the us |
| 18:00.06 | karlpinc_ | wonders if someone is borking the bgp routing tables again |
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| 18:00.13 | Kream | all at MIT? |
| 18:00.16 | McFadden | stew, Oh, it's taking the first, not the last? I always though it was the other way around:) |
| 18:00.24 | stew | not all at IT |
| 18:00.28 | stew | MIT* |
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| 18:01.14 | Kream | well can I have the IP for something that's outside MIT? perhaps someplace on the west coast |
| 18:01.27 | Kream | tips his turban |
| 18:01.42 | Justin | Kream: can you patebin a traceroute from you to security.debian.org? |
| 18:01.47 | Kream | sure |
| 18:01.53 | stew | Kream: there are none on the west coast. 128.101.240.212 is the farthest west |
| 18:01.57 | McFadden | stew, That did the trick; thanks! |
| 18:01.57 | Kream | gimme a second |
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| 18:02.54 | rutski | umm... wow; stable only gets upgraded once every 2 years!? |
| 18:03.00 | rutski | interesting |
| 18:03.03 | rutski | why so long? |
| 18:03.57 | jordanm | point releases come sooner than that. for new releases that is rather frequent in comparison to other stable distros, such as RHEL |
| 18:04.00 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Otherwise it wouldn't be stable? |
| 18:04.21 | karlpinc_ | rutski: You know about backports etc.? |
| 18:04.30 | rutski | hmm, yeah; I suppose if debian is aimed at servers then that makes some sense |
| 18:04.31 | rutski | backports? |
| 18:04.35 | rutski | nope, can't say I do |
| 18:04.37 | karlpinc_ | !tell rutski about overview |
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| 18:05.59 | Kream | thanks stew, getting 340kbytes/sec from that one |
| 18:05.59 | Kream | its already downloaded :) |
| 18:06.00 | Kream | i may now reproduce instead of dying in this datacentre |
| 18:06.00 | Kream | Thanks a bunch guys |
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| 18:06.18 | Kream | ugh latency |
| 18:06.23 | DammitJim | is there a way to check if a certain processor is supported by a debian version? |
| 18:06.29 | Hochiminh | guys i did a aptitude install synaptic |
| 18:06.31 | Hochiminh | right |
| 18:06.32 | stew | rutski: debian isn't necessarily aimed at servers |
| 18:06.36 | Justin | DammitJim: try booting the installer |
| 18:06.41 | Hochiminh | but synaptic does not appear in my menus anywhere |
| 18:06.45 | DammitJim | Justin, I'm laptop shopping |
| 18:06.48 | Hochiminh | if i type synaptic in the terminal |
| 18:06.49 | DammitJim | so, I can't do that |
| 18:06.50 | Hochiminh | it runs it fine |
| 18:06.53 | Hochiminh | why is this? |
| 18:06.55 | Justin | DammitJim: sh |
| 18:06.57 | Hochiminh | and how can i add it to the menus |
| 18:07.05 | DammitJim | sh ? |
| 18:07.05 | Justin | DammitJim: 'shopping' as in the internet, or 'shopping' as in, in a store? |
| 18:07.12 | DammitJim | internet |
| 18:07.12 | rutski | stew: I would say that the default practice of putting only the core stable repos in /etc/sources.list is aimed for servers |
| 18:07.14 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 18:07.14 | karlpinc_ | rutski: See also the <sns> factoid. (Type "/msg dpkg sns" in your irc client.) |
| 18:07.20 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: debian will run on pretty much any laptop you can buy today |
| 18:07.28 | Hochiminh | no one? |
| 18:07.34 | DammitJim | "pretty much" is what I'm trying to cover |
| 18:07.36 | stew | rutski: no, its not aimed at servers at all |
| 18:07.42 | Justin | Hochiminh: are you sure it is not in the menus? |
| 18:07.48 | rutski | karlpinc_: yeah, no; I disagree that SNS is a bad thing :-p |
| 18:07.48 | Justin | Hochiminh: did you look under administration? |
| 18:07.57 | stew | rutski: what other repos would it be adding? you mean repos other than debian repos? |
| 18:08.05 | rutski | dunno yet |
| 18:08.28 | rutski | I just mean, if I'm developing GTK apps lets say, then I want to be up to date on what the latest gnome desktop looks like |
| 18:08.42 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: if it's amd64 or emt64, definitely, also pretty much every arm laptop |
| 18:08.51 | rutski | and getting upgrades only every 2 years is detrimental there |
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| 18:09.33 | stew | rutski: if you were going to deploy a gnome desktop in a coprorate environment, you wouldn't want to put them on the latest, less tested gnome and upgrade them as frequently as gnome updates upstream |
| 18:10.11 | DammitJim | dondelelcaro, ok so all i3-i7 processors would be covered, right? |
| 18:10.19 | stew | rutski: and there are lots of poeple putting work into debian for lots of other areas of interest, like embedded, education, medical, scientific applications... |
| 18:10.20 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: yes |
| 18:10.21 | rutski | stew: I know, which is why I'm saying that the default /etc/sources.list seems to be aimed at servers and/or corporate environments |
| 18:10.26 | DammitJim | ok, cool |
| 18:10.33 | DammitJim | hhmmmm... what arm laptops are out there? |
| 18:10.43 | karlpinc_ | rutski: If you develop than you either install the upstream sources (using stow or whatever) or run testing or sid to test against. Depends on you. |
| 18:10.47 | rutski | it'd be nice if the default sources.list had at least commented out lines contained the repos that people with your so called "SNS" would want to have |
| 18:10.57 | stew | rutski: i don't know why it seems that way to you. its certainly not the case. what would you change in /etc/sources.list? |
| 18:10.58 | rutski | ah, hmm; testing, right |
| 18:11.12 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Most would just want what winds up in backports. |
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| 18:11.25 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: nufront is making one, and there are a few tablets |
| 18:11.41 | karlpinc_ | rutski: The installer these days asks about backports/squeeze-volatile and will put those in sources.list for you. |
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| 18:12.17 | rutski | stew: I suppose I'd put a commented line in the default sources.list that says something like "The below repositories contain software which is upgraded only once every two years. If you want to run the latest upstream software then use testing or sid, or install it via other means." |
| 18:12.46 | rutski | karlpinc_: squeeze-updates you mean; and yeah, that got put into my sources.list by default it seems (though the installer didn't ask me about it I don't think) |
| 18:12.56 | karlpinc_ | rutski: That's what people need to decide before they install. |
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| 18:13.02 | stew | rutski: testing and sid are really targeted at debian developers trying to prepare the next stable release, not for end-users. |
| 18:13.11 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Right, squeeze-updates I mean. |
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| 18:13.29 | stew | rutski: though there are discussions about creating another more frequently updated component for end users, its only in the discussion stage right now |
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| 18:13.47 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Some folks run something other than stable on their desktops. Depends on what they want. |
| 18:13.49 | stew | rutski: otherwise there is backports.debian.org |
| 18:13.54 | rutski | karlpinc_: most people don't know to do the research, and just install "stable" since the word "testing" has a light negative connotation |
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| 18:14.09 | rutski | yeah, still reading http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 18:14.14 | karlpinc_ | rutski: We'd argue that's what most folks need. A box that always works. |
| 18:14.17 | stew | rutski: that's by design.. if they don't know to do the research, they shouldn't be running anything but stable |
| 18:14.53 | rutski | karlpinc_: for business environments, yes; for home computers, no |
| 18:15.00 | flocky | Hello. Anyone know how to work with oidentd? I got it installed on my debian server and all my eggdrops connect with the same ident. I would like to change that. |
| 18:15.06 | dvs | And we dont count as "research" |
| 18:15.47 | _KaszpiR_ | hm |
| 18:16.00 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Depends. For home computers most people don't want breakage because they don't know what to do if it breaks. |
| 18:16.02 | rutski | If firefox comes out with support for HTML5 let's say, you're not going to want to wait 2 years to get that |
| 18:16.11 | karlpinc_ | rutski: That's what backports is for. |
| 18:16.24 | rutski | If VLC comes out with a navigator widget that's hugely better than the old one, you're not going to want to wait 2 years to get that |
| 18:16.25 | rutski | etc... |
| 18:16.27 | _KaszpiR_ | can i have multiple lines 'auto ethX' with various X values in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:16.37 | _KaszpiR_ | for example |
| 18:16.40 | _KaszpiR_ | auto eth0 |
| 18:16.42 | _KaszpiR_ | auto eht1 |
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| 18:16.45 | Justin | _KaszpiR_: why not? |
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| 18:17.21 | stew | rutski: then its should be wait for backports, backport yourself, wait for debian to have a rolling release aimed at end-users, or use something other than debian |
| 18:17.24 | karlpinc_ | rutski: The stuff that does not get into backports is the "big stuff" like new versions of desktops or other stuff with lots of dependencies. |
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| 18:18.19 | stew | because that stuff has lots of inter-dependencies and is hard to backport. and its the same reason that that stuff gets sometimes broken in testing sometimes for long perionds of time |
| 18:18.22 | _KaszpiR_ | Justin hmm looks like I can :) |
| 18:18.28 | stew | which is another reason why testing is for the casual user |
| 18:18.28 | karlpinc_ | rutski: (Well, and the stuff that no one bothers with because they don't care.) |
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| 18:21.02 | sedulous | where can I find a GTK-1 package? |
| 18:21.18 | sedulous | (x86 32-bit) |
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| 18:21.43 | Hochiminh | Justin: hold on let me check |
| 18:21.47 | jelly-home | sedulous: in sarge or woody, why? |
| 18:22.02 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell sedulous about archive.debian.org |
| 18:22.06 | Hochiminh | Justin: i feel stupid now |
| 18:22.06 | sedulous | thanks |
| 18:22.21 | sedulous | jelly-home: i want to install an old game, Unreal Tournament. the installer links to gtk1 |
| 18:22.47 | Hochiminh | guys how do you check core temps in debian |
| 18:22.57 | Hochiminh | i tried installing xmbon |
| 18:23.02 | Hochiminh | but i don't know how to use it |
| 18:23.10 | sedulous | Hochiminh: lm-sensors package |
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| 18:23.19 | Hochiminh | so go to synaptic and get it |
| 18:23.23 | Hochiminh | i see |
| 18:23.24 | Hochiminh | hold on |
| 18:23.25 | sedulous | yes |
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| 18:23.35 | sedulous | when you installed it, the binary is "sensors" (command line) |
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| 18:25.24 | Hochiminh | sedulous: i have it installed now |
| 18:25.26 | Hochiminh | what do i do |
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| 18:25.33 | Hochiminh | is there a application i launch |
| 18:25.36 | Hochiminh | or some file i cat |
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| 18:26.25 | stew | Hochiminh: run the command: "sensors" |
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| 18:29.17 | karlpinc_ | Hochiminh: I don't want to be picky, but I'm going to be picky. |
| 18:29.23 | karlpinc_ | !tell Hochiminh about enter |
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| 18:30.35 | xevz | Anyone had problems with slow e1000 card after upgrading to Squeeze? |
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| 18:34.07 | dokma|2 | hey guyz.... I cannot shutdown using sudo shutdown -h now |
| 18:34.24 | dokma|2 | when I strace I get something about must be setuid root |
| 18:34.50 | dokma|2 | I've chmod 4754 /sbin/shutdown |
| 18:35.02 | dokma|2 | and visudo added myself to group shutdown |
| 18:35.18 | dokma|2 | . /sbin/shutdown is group shutdown |
| 18:35.26 | rutski | Say I have possible sources.list files like this: http://codepad.org/klZAmcAF |
| 18:35.33 | rutski | where the order of the repos is just different |
| 18:35.48 | dokma|2 | but still when I sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now I get |
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| 18:35.59 | dokma|2 | nothing |
| 18:36.35 | rutski | will the order ever matter? because I'm reading in apt_preferences(5) that "Several instances of the same version of a package may be available when the sources.list(5) file contains references to more than one source. In this case apt-get downloads the instance listed earliest in the sources.list(5) file." |
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| 18:37.03 | Hochiminh | guys when i run terminal then type "sudo whatevercommand" it gives me a error saying that i am not in the sudoers file |
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| 18:37.13 | Hochiminh | isn't sudo supposed to raise your privelige |
| 18:37.24 | jordanm | rutski: that only applies when they are the exact same package. eg. same version |
| 18:37.32 | Hochiminh | and is it normal for a normal user to not be in teh sudoers file |
| 18:37.41 | jordanm | Hochiminh: if you configured sudo to allow that user to do so |
| 18:37.41 | dokma|2 | Hochiminh: you must be listed in sudoers in order to be able to do that |
| 18:37.50 | Hochiminh | moreover there is something called "root terminal" |
| 18:37.56 | rutski | jordanm: so postgresl 8 in stable and postgresql 9 in backports might have the same package version? |
| 18:37.56 | Hochiminh | how can i force password every time |
| 18:38.09 | Hochiminh | it is a security issue if it saves my password |
| 18:38.15 | jordanm | rutski: no, they would not |
| 18:38.32 | Hochiminh | how can i make "root terminal" request password every time |
| 18:38.34 | jelly-home | Hochiminh: use "su -" to get a root shell. |
| 18:38.36 | Justin | Hochiminh: it doesn't save your password |
| 18:38.44 | rutski | jordanm: so when might such a version conflict actually arise? are there any obvious examples? |
| 18:38.58 | karlpinc_ | Hochiminh: You want to use the "su" command, not sudo. |
| 18:39.09 | Hochiminh | Justin: it seems to, whenever i open it it provides a menu stating that i do not need to type my password |
| 18:39.12 | jordanm | rutski: when you are mixing testing and unstable or any non-stable repo with stable |
| 18:39.13 | Hochiminh | karlpinc_: i see i will try |
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| 18:40.22 | rutski | jordanm: but wouldn't package versions in any non-stable repo be higher by a version number or two than the equivalent package in stable? |
| 18:40.47 | rutski | I mean, if unstable is testing out a new minor-version-number-upgrade of, let's say, VLC; then won't the vlc package in unstable be higher? |
| 18:40.51 | rutski | and thus there would be no conflict |
| 18:41.04 | selbeimanti | is there a repository for cups ppd files? i'm trying to install a 2004 lexmark z601, and the model is not in the cups model list |
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| 18:41.53 | streuner_ | selbeimanti: check out linuxprinting.org |
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| 18:43.41 | jordanm | rutski: I misunderstood the question. stable repo X + local repo that contains packages from stable |
| 18:43.49 | selbeimanti | streuner_: thx |
| 18:43.57 | jordanm | rutski: or two different mirrors for the same repository |
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| 18:44.11 | karlpinc_ | selbeimanti: Perhaps in the foomatic-filters-ppds package? |
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| 18:44.41 | Spanktar | argh. Greetings #Debian! :) I'm knee deep in a half-upgraded squeeze install with the following error: |
| 18:44.49 | Spanktar | I'm sure you can guess...i't s about libc6 |
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| 18:45.13 | Spanktar | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of locales: |
| 18:45.14 | Spanktar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.14 | dpkg | spanktar: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 18:45.14 | Spanktar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:45.23 | Spanktar | any ideas? |
| 18:45.28 | karlpinc_ | Spanktar: You're upgrading from lenny and have not followed the release notes? |
| 18:46.07 | Spanktar | karlpinc_: i think you would be correct there. Why don't I go read those, then come back when I've wiped this egg off my face? ;) |
| 18:46.29 | Spanktar | (actually I believe it's etch) |
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| 18:47.03 | jelly-home | Spanktar: skipping releases is NOT supported, you'd need to go etch->lenny, lenny->squeeze |
| 18:47.10 | selbeimanti | karlpinc_: do you mean foomatic-db-compressed-ppds ? |
| 18:47.17 | lynx-- | Is there a way I can turn off the microphone to speaker in X? |
| 18:47.22 | Spanktar | jelly: noted |
| 18:47.25 | Spanktar | thanks |
| 18:47.38 | lynx-- | Every little noise is picked up by the microphone and then automatically played thro ugh X itself, I 'm not pressing any record buttons |
| 18:47.46 | Justin | lynx--: use any sound mixer app |
| 18:47.49 | Justin | lynx--: has nothing to do with X |
| 18:48.28 | ddan | is it possible to run an amd64 kernel on a 32 bit environment? |
| 18:48.47 | dvs | ddan: no |
| 18:48.53 | lynx-- | What should I use alsa mixer? |
| 18:48.55 | lynx-- | Is there a GUI mixer? |
| 18:48.55 | stew | ddan: yes, debian has amd64 kernels in the 386 repositories |
| 18:49.00 | dvs | ddan: oh wait, what is your CPU? |
| 18:49.15 | jelly-home | dvs: yes. |
| 18:49.18 | ddan | dvs, e5800 (it supports lm and amd64) |
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| 18:49.26 | jelly-home | I mean. |
| 18:49.34 | ddan | stew, i tried it, but it gives me a kernel panic |
| 18:49.56 | jelly-home | ddan: yes. I'm running an -amd64 kernel with this i386 testing at this very moment |
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| 18:50.26 | ddan | jelly-home, how'd you do that? just by installing the amd64 kernel from the repos? |
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| 18:51.22 | stew | lynx--: there are many: aptitude search '~Ginterface::x11~Gsound::mixer' |
| 18:51.37 | stew | that actually might be a little wide... |
| 18:51.40 | jelly-home | ddan: yes |
| 18:51.40 | dvs | ddan: ls /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) |
| 18:52.09 | lynx-- | I did, it came up with nothing |
| 18:52.11 | stew | lynx--: if you are using a DE such as gnome or kde, you should be able to add one to your toolbar |
| 18:52.24 | lynx-- | How do I do that, Stew? |
| 18:52.36 | ddan | dvs, i'm on a custom kernel, without initrd; btw i installed an amd64 from the repos, 2.6.32-5-amd64, which supports ia32 emulation (checked on its config) |
| 18:52.59 | stew | lynx--: which DE are you using? |
| 18:52.59 | lynx-- | ls /boot |
| 18:53.00 | karlpinc_ | lynx--: To use ~G with aptitude you need the debtags packages installed. |
| 18:53.02 | lynx-- | Gnome |
| 18:53.16 | Justin | lynx--: gnome comes with a mixer. did you look in the menus? |
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| 18:53.26 | lynx-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.29 | lynx-- | it wasn't there |
| 18:53.29 | stew | lynx--: it would be something like: left click on panel, add applet, select mixer |
| 18:53.37 | Justin | lynx--: did you look in all the menus? |
| 18:53.41 | stew | lynx--: err, right click |
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| 18:54.31 | lynx-- | aTunes Audacious |
| 18:54.32 | lynx-- | yes I did |
| 18:54.48 | lynx-- | I found something called JACK control which really wasn't a mixer |
| 18:55.00 | Justin | lynx--: did you try the menu item called 'Sound'? |
| 18:55.28 | stew | i think its safe to say that aTunes Audacious and JACK are in the Sound category |
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| 18:55.47 | Justin | stew: not the "Sound & Video" category |
| 18:55.52 | Justin | stew: the "Sound" control panel |
| 18:56.04 | stew | ok |
| 18:56.12 | Justin | the one that has a "Mute" checkbox next to the microphone |
| 18:56.23 | lynx-- | Sound says aTunes Audacious Audacity Audio CD Extractor Cheese webcam Cinelerra JACK Control Kmid movie playuer MPlayer media player MuseScoire Qsynth rythmbox sound recorder x-cd-roast that's all |
| 18:56.34 | Justin | lynx--: wrong menu |
| 18:56.39 | lynx-- | l, |
| 18:56.40 | lynx-- | ok |
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| 18:57.07 | Justin | I also have a feeling you are not using debian :-) |
| 18:57.23 | stew | control panel == gnome-control-center? |
| 18:57.29 | lynx-- | it's still doing that |
| 18:57.31 | stew | or did they actually add something called "control panel" |
| 18:57.41 | lynx-- | I put microphone in pl ayb ack all the way down to nothing |
| 18:57.48 | Justin | stew: yeah, that, or the 'System' menu |
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| 18:57.52 | lynx-- | and if I put my microphone in front of my speaker, it goes "weeeooeoeoeooeooooo" |
| 18:57.57 | trone | hi there. I erased apache2.conf. I tryed apt-get install --reinstall apache2.2-common and all seem go well, but after it, I dont' found /etc/apache2/apache2.conf . What I have to do if --reinstall doesnt work? |
| 18:58.12 | Justin | lynx--: recording tab |
| 18:58.21 | stew | trone: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:58.30 | lynx-- | What I want to do is if I put my microphone in front of the speaker, that it doesn't go weeeo from the sound bouncing back and forth |
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| 18:58.57 | lynx-- | ok, microphone isn't under recording, it just says Speaker Icon then the word "Front" |
| 18:59.05 | Justin | oh, it depends on your hardware |
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| 18:59.16 | Justin | just put all of them all the way down |
| 18:59.22 | rutski | I'm learning about how apt does upgrades based on priority. Let's say that I install package FOO from backports, but FOO is also in stable. Let's now also say that FOO get a few changes in both the stable and the backports repo. |
| 18:59.30 | trone | stew: ouch. :) thanks. :D |
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| 18:59.36 | Justin | your mic could be hooked up to 'line-in' as well depending on where you plugged it in |
| 18:59.40 | rutski | When I do an "apt-get upgrade" how will apt know to pull my change from the backports repo, which is what I want |
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| 18:59.47 | lynx-- | I plugged it into my sound card |
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| 19:00.00 | rutski | won't the default priority rules cause me to get the package update from stable, which is not what I want? |
| 19:00.29 | lynx-- | All I want to do is stop the microphone from automatically playing whatever sound comes to it |
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| 19:00.38 | Justin | lynx--: follow directions |
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| 19:01.01 | stew | rutski: check "apt-cache policy" and compare the priority numbers to those in "man apt_preferences" |
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| 19:01.41 | stew | rutski: depending on what version of debian you are running, the Release file from the backports repository can tell apt to set the priority such that backports pacakges will get upgraded automatically but not installed automatically |
| 19:01.41 | lynx-- | My microphone ISN'T hooked up to Line-In |
| 19:01.46 | lynx-- | In fact, I have no Line-In at all |
| 19:01.58 | lynx-- | And my line-in playback was at 0 by default |
| 19:02.08 | Justin | lynx--: put every single playback volume down to 0 |
| 19:02.16 | rutski | ah, right; there is indeed an "ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes" set for the backports Release file in squeeze |
| 19:02.18 | stew | lynx--: if you want to put the output of "amixer" into a pastebin, we could perhaps help you find the right control |
| 19:02.23 | Justin | lynx--: in fact, put every single slider you have down to 0 |
| 19:02.27 | rutski | interesting; but that's not the case in things older than squeeze? |
| 19:02.43 | stew | rutski: right, you previously had to pin that yourself |
| 19:02.47 | lynx-- | done |
| 19:02.48 | rutski | interesting |
| 19:02.55 | Justin | lynx--: did it stop? |
| 19:02.58 | lynx-- | yes |
| 19:03.16 | lynx-- | now when I increase "Master" in starts doing that "weeeeoooo" again with my microphone to the speaker |
| 19:03.40 | Justin | lynx--: it's called feedback. |
| 19:03.54 | stew | and these controls suck. I wish we had something like "DefaultPriority: 200" in Release instead... instead we have competing hacks |
| 19:03.54 | lynx-- | I found the problem |
| 19:03.58 | lynx-- | wait nevermind |
| 19:03.59 | Franklin | lynx--, just mute mic output |
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| 19:04.36 | Justin | muting mic output only works if the mic is actually hooked up to the 'mic' input |
| 19:04.47 | stew | s/out/in/ |
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| 19:05.21 | Justin | stew: no, I mean my desktop here has "Front Mic" as well as "Line-in" |
| 19:05.36 | Justin | stew: pretty sure the front jack is the one for mic, the port on the sound card itself is line-in |
| 19:05.38 | stew | oh, i see |
| 19:05.41 | lynx-- | okay |
| 19:06.11 | lynx-- | I can turn the volume down completely and still have the microphone work |
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| 19:06.29 | DammitJim | what do I need to install to get CUPS to work? |
| 19:06.33 | lynx-- | that way it won't go "weeeeo" and I can still record from the speaker |
| 19:06.45 | lynx-- | I guess there are some things even Linux can't do |
| 19:06.48 | DammitJim | 127.0.0.1:631 has the interface, but it seems there are other settinsg that need to be changed? |
| 19:06.49 | Justin | lynx--: record from the speaker? wtf are you talking about |
| 19:06.53 | lynx-- | Yes |
| 19:07.02 | lynx-- | Putting my microphone up to the speaker and pressing record to record what comes out |
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| 19:07.14 | Justin | of course you can do that, fix your mixer settings |
| 19:07.17 | lynx-- | if I try to do it it makes a high-pitched "weeeeeeooooo" sound |
| 19:07.22 | lynx-- | How do I fix my mixer settings? |
| 19:07.26 | Justin | lynx--: again, it's called FEEDBACK |
| 19:07.27 | lynx-- | Do I use Volume Control or alsa mixer |
| 19:07.33 | stew | lynx--: can you show us the output of "amixer" ? |
| 19:07.39 | Justin | you keep saying weeeeeee like a 4 year old ol |
| 19:07.53 | stew | lynx--: both mixers should be controlling the same thing |
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| 19:09.28 | lynx-- | http://pastebin.com/fDpvnxMf |
| 19:09.32 | lynx-- | That's my amixer output |
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| 19:11.09 | lynx-- | How do I fix my mixer settings? |
| 19:11.35 | lynx-- | I'm trying Alsamixer also and it doesn't look like microphone or lin-in are up, in fact they are down to 0 in it for F3 Playback |
| 19:11.52 | rutski | Ok, so; question: Let's say I have asterisk 1.6.2.9 installed, which is the default in squeeze. But the current version of asterisk put out by digium is 1.6.2.18 |
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| 19:12.07 | rutski | when, if ever, will "apt-get upgrade" install 1.6.2.18? |
| 19:12.07 | lynx-- | another question, how do I make VoIP calls in Linux? Using Asterisk? |
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| 19:12.23 | Shadur | ... That's kind of overkill. |
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| 19:13.06 | Shadur | Installing and configuring Asterisk to make VOIP calls is like building your own cellular tower network to make phone calls. |
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| 19:13.18 | jelly-home | rutski: next debian release |
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| 19:13.32 | Shadur | Software like ekiga can connect to VOIP networks that use the SIP protocol. |
| 19:14.00 | rutski | jelly-home: umm... what? There are bug fixes in 1.6.2.18 though. So I'm doomed to have the bugs in 1.6.2.9 for 2 years until wheeze comes out? |
| 19:14.07 | stew | rutski: perhaps someone will upload it to backports |
| 19:14.09 | rutski | *wheezy |
| 19:14.12 | stew | rutski: it depends on the nature of the bugs |
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| 19:14.27 | rutski | stew: so I have to go *out of my way* to use the backports repo and get the bug fixes? |
| 19:14.33 | jelly-home | rutski: yes, you have a _stable_ set of bugs in squeeze |
| 19:14.38 | stew | rutski: typically debian will only change stable for bugs which are security related or those which make the software unusable |
| 19:14.41 | stew | rutski: yes |
| 19:14.48 | rutski | jelly-home: oh, interesting way of looking at it, hmm... |
| 19:15.00 | rutski | oh, right; the bug fixes might make it into security |
| 19:15.21 | rutski | wait... where does squeeze-updates play into this? (formally lenny-volatile) |
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| 19:16.06 | stew | rutski: and it looks like squeeze has gotten multiple updates to asterisk already |
| 19:16.34 | stew | rutski: squeeze-updates would be fore things like clamav or spamassassin which need more frequent updates |
| 19:16.54 | stew | rutski: those are updates to keep the software working as intended, not necessarily to get new features or bugfixes |
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| 19:17.16 | rutski | stew: oh, hmm; so squeeze does get updates |
| 19:17.19 | stew | rutski: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/asterisk <- here are a list of the known things which could get fixed by an upload to stable |
| 19:17.31 | stew | rutski: yes, squeeze gets updates for security |
| 19:17.42 | rutski | so then what's the security repo for? |
| 19:17.43 | stew | (and occasionally things like tzdata) |
| 19:17.58 | Justin | rutski: security updates |
| 19:18.12 | rutski | Justin: but stew just said that security updates sometimes go into squeeze directly |
| 19:18.16 | trone | stew: there is also a way to know how restore the apache2 default symlink to mods enabled? :) |
| 19:18.25 | stew | rutski: the security repo is where security updates go. when we make a point release for stable, those updates get copied to the stable repositories as well |
| 19:18.41 | stew | trone: i don't know |
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| 19:19.02 | lynx-- | How do I get rid of feedback in Linux? |
| 19:19.06 | stew | rutski: that is not what I meant. i meant that they go into the seucrity repository for stable |
| 19:19.07 | rutski | stew: so really I don't need to have the security repo in my soruces.list? |
| 19:19.12 | lynx-- | How do I get rid of feedback in Linux! |
| 19:19.13 | stew | rutski: you should have it there |
| 19:19.16 | jhutchins_lt | lynx--: mute the mic |
| 19:19.25 | rutski | stew: but don't they make it into a point release eventually anyway? |
| 19:19.28 | stew | rutski: that's the only way you would get security updates between point releases |
| 19:19.29 | Shadur | lynx--: Don't place your speakers in frot of your mic. |
| 19:19.31 | lynx-- | So there is no other way to get rid of that automatic microphone sound play |
| 19:19.39 | stew | rutski: yes, eventually |
| 19:19.44 | lynx-- | Windows doesn't do that |
| 19:19.48 | rutski | stew: right, so it's useful; but not strictly necessary if you don't care about the lag |
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| 19:19.52 | lynx-- | Maybe I'll go use a better operating system |
| 19:19.57 | Justin | lynx--: grow up |
| 19:20.04 | jelly-home | lynx--: more specifically, mute the playback mixer control for the mic |
| 19:20.05 | jhutchins_lt | Pushing the updates to security gets them out faster and lets them get a little bit of testing before going into the main release. |
| 19:20.07 | rutski | of course I'm not suggesting I'd disable my security repo in sources.list, just... just trying to figure out how it works, and why it's there |
| 19:20.08 | lynx-- | What, it's not my fault Wi ndows 7 can do things but Debian can't |
| 19:20.12 | Shadur | lynx--: Troll elsewhere. |
| 19:20.23 | Justin | lynx--: but it is your fault that you are acting like a douchebag |
| 19:20.29 | DrMrHorse | oh no, lynx, whatever you do, dont stop using debian, ill die |
| 19:20.34 | stew | rutski: i suppose it is up to you, but most poeple consider timely security updates strictly necessary |
| 19:20.34 | lynx-- | who cares |
| 19:20.45 | rutski | stew: indeed, yeah; I would too |
| 19:20.45 | lynx-- | Debian and crappy noobuntu |
| 19:20.53 | stew | jhutchins_lt: why is it faster to push the updates to security? |
| 19:21.00 | stew | jhutchins_lt: instead of the main repo? |
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| 19:21.07 | rutski | stew: I just find it puzzling that things from the security repo would get ported into the point release |
| 19:21.20 | rutski | shouldn't we just tell people "use the damn security repo" :-p |
| 19:21.23 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I got the impression that that was one reason for the separate repo. |
| 19:21.25 | Justin | rutski: you are over thinking things |
| 19:21.30 | stew | jhutchins_lt: from where? |
| 19:21.44 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Probably discussion here. |
| 19:21.53 | Justin | rutski: there are more debian mirrors than security mirrors. point releases are used to re-build the installation cds |
| 19:21.57 | rutski | Justin: I'm trying to understand what all the debian repos are for, and how they work, and what's where, and why; it's complicated it seems, and requires a lot of thinking |
| 19:21.59 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Policies do change from release to release though, could be old info. |
| 19:22.00 | stew | rutski: we do tell people that. during the point releases we also release new cds and such |
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| 19:22.09 | Justin | rutski: have you never heard of something like 'windows XP SP3' ? |
| 19:22.26 | rutski | stew: ah, interesting |
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| 19:22.42 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Is that impression incorrect then? |
| 19:22.44 | stew | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 19:22.44 | joe6 | getting these mtp-probe errors on startup: http://sprunge.us/QTPd |
| 19:22.57 | joe6 | any suggestions on what I can do, to get rid of them? |
| 19:23.17 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Regular packages in stable do get updated between point releases though, not just in security. |
| 19:23.19 | stew | in fact having security separate is a lot of extra work, it would certainly be less work for us to just put the updates directly into stable |
| 19:23.32 | stew | jhutchins_lt: rarely, and not for new features |
| 19:23.59 | jhutchins_lt | new features -> backports |
| 19:24.37 | rutski | so what *non-security* and *non-new-feature* update might a package in stable get between point releases? |
| 19:25.05 | stew | new tzdata is all I can think of that recently happened |
| 19:25.16 | rutski | interesting |
| 19:25.21 | Justin | tzdata kind of falls into "critical bug fix" |
| 19:25.33 | Justin | since having a clock that is correct is somewhat important |
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| 19:25.40 | stew | yes |
| 19:25.44 | rutski | shouldn't that be in the security repo then, and not stable |
| 19:25.44 | rutski | ? |
| 19:25.55 | stew | rutski: why? |
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| 19:26.21 | rutski | wait... right; it's not quite a security thing |
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| 19:26.53 | rutski | I have to be honest, though feel free to stop me if it feels like trolling to you, the more I learn about how debian (and linux distros in general) manage software updates, the less I like it |
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| 19:27.14 | rutski | I like it when I open Skype, and it tells me that there's a new minor version from their upstream, and I click and install it |
| 19:27.15 | jordanm | rutski: "release critical" non-security bugs can be upgraded in a point release |
| 19:27.20 | Justin | rutski: it works. Most people don't give a shit |
| 19:27.28 | jhutchins_lt | Is logging to /var/log/apt/history.log disabled by default, or is mine broken? |
| 19:27.52 | Justin | rutski: you are seriously using skype as an example of well maintained software? Didn't they just silently install adware on windows boxes without users permission? |
| 19:28.16 | rutski | I mean, I trust the Skype people that when they go from 5.1.0.935 to 5.1.0.986 it'll be safe to install, and I don't feel like I need the debian community to vet that for me to be sure its safe |
| 19:28.16 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg.log is empty too. |
| 19:28.20 | thewanderer1 | hey, how do I get Rhythmbox to recognize .pls (playlist) files? now it's telling me "This looks like a text file" |
| 19:28.42 | stew | rutski: as I said before, debian is discussing making a usable rolling release which sounds more like what you want |
| 19:28.56 | rutski | stew: interesting |
| 19:29.21 | rutski | Justin: I didn't know that, and that's an interesting point |
| 19:29.44 | stew | jordanm: its not as if we try to fix all RC bugs in stable though |
| 19:30.00 | rutski | so basically (and I'm just starting to understand this), the case seems to be that the Debian community looks over *everything* in *every* software package before deciding to push out even minor revision number updates |
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| 19:30.12 | jhutchins_lt | rutski: You could always go with lfs and get the distro testing and packaging out of the way completely. |
| 19:30.20 | rutski | it's an interesting contrast with the "just trust upstream" approach on OS X and Windows |
| 19:30.21 | stew | jordanm: not even close, which is why often there are more known RC bugs in stable than in testing |
| 19:30.30 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: or slackware... :P |
| 19:30.35 | Justin | rutski: for *stable* |
| 19:30.59 | Justin | rutski: if you want a random collection of bleeding edge software that may or may not work, you can use unstable |
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| 19:31.16 | stew | ideally that is the case for unstable too, unfortunately, in practice, maintainers don't always look over everything they are uploading |
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| 19:32.25 | rutski | Justin: I would imagine that cases where it "may not work" would only be trivial and not too much of a game breaker |
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| 19:32.39 | thewanderer1 | "This appears to be a text file" - getting this in Rhythmbox on Squeeze. any hints? |
| 19:32.45 | stew | rutski: but yes. even when testing is frozen and closed to a release, when upstream releases a new version which has some bug fixes and other stuff, we might take the upgrade apart and just get some of the bug fixes applied to the older version we have |
| 19:32.48 | thewanderer1 | trying to play a .pls |
| 19:32.57 | jhutchins_lt | In other distros I've had packages in a supposedly stable release turn out to have never been installed and were un-installable, and packages that were built with incompatible components and wouldn't run as packaaged. |
| 19:32.57 | stew | rutski: otherwise we'd never get to a new stable release |
| 19:33.06 | rutski | I'd be curious to see an example of where an approach like "just upgrade to the newest minor-rev of apache when the apache people release it" would bring down a web server in some serious way |
| 19:33.18 | Justin | thewanderer1: does Rhythmbox have an import playlist option or something? |
| 19:33.22 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Maybe rythymbox doesn't do playlists. Amarok does. |
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| 19:33.48 | rutski | stew: why not just use what upstream gives you for minor-revs |
| 19:34.08 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: but it did on another computer, and now that I copied over $HOME, it didn't (same version) |
| 19:34.16 | stew | rutski: becuase that is more likely to introduce new bugs |
| 19:34.20 | rutski | like I said before as an example, I can't imagine a case where, let's say, updating to the latest minor-rev of apache directly from upstream would break things |
| 19:34.20 | thewanderer1 | Justin: no, this is an Internet radio |
| 19:34.22 | eshat | Is there another way of keep trac of IRC expect irssi+screen ? |
| 19:34.26 | stew | rutski: and how do you define what is and what isn't a minor revision |
| 19:34.31 | thewanderer1 | eshat: dircproxy |
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| 19:34.42 | rutski | stew: I would trust that the apache people have tested the new code in their minor-rev before releasting it |
| 19:34.44 | rutski | *releasing it |
| 19:34.46 | Justin | thewanderer1: oh, then just open the file with gedit or whatever and copy the url |
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| 19:35.06 | thewanderer1 | Justin: yeah but it used to work and now does not, somehow O.o |
| 19:35.10 | eshat | thewanderer1: dpkg has no clue :D but I'll ask google thanks |
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| 19:35.34 | jhutchins_lt | rutski: That's fine, but that's not how Debian works. I for one appreciate that I can trust stable not to be broken. |
| 19:35.36 | stew | rutski: so we are supposed to categorize different upstreams as to their trustworthiness? and apply different policies to different softwares? |
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| 19:35.45 | Justin | thewanderer1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/62430 seems relevant |
| 19:35.59 | rutski | stew: you don't, the apache people do; it should be the software developer who decides when to offer a new update to your system, though it should be your right to reject it; I don't see why we need a 3rd party like the debian community vetting everything to death first :-p |
| 19:36.13 | thewanderer1 | strange, I'm sure as hell I did run this with Rhythmbox |
| 19:36.24 | stew | rutski: then it really seems like debian isn't for you |
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| 19:36.50 | rutski | stew: I'm not complaining, just trying to flesh out the different philosophies in my mind. |
| 19:36.54 | rutski | I never really thought about any of this before |
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| 19:37.04 | rutski | it only *just* hit me how different things are on debian than on OS X |
| 19:37.08 | rutski | sorry :( |
| 19:37.11 | rutski | heh |
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| 19:37.46 | stew | rutski: so much effort in debian goes towards making a free, stable release, and to vetting packages. as one of the poeple that does this, I can tell you for sure that upstream cannot be trusted to deliver free stable software, even when they think they can |
| 19:38.01 | stew | for that matter, a large portion of the debian developers cannot be trusted |
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| 19:38.31 | rutski | stew: interesting point about upstream not being as trustable as I had assumed |
| 19:38.31 | stew | which is why we have teams in debian to manage the releases and to vet the freeness of the software |
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| 19:38.44 | thewanderer1 | something else must be missing... I'll try installing complete GNOME |
| 19:38.49 | rutski | also yeah, a few minutes ago I was indeed wondering if the debian community that vets things can be trusted either :-p |
| 19:38.50 | jelly-home | rutski: one other important thing distros do is integration, and making sure different software works well together and in different installed subsets |
| 19:39.00 | rutski | since it's so large, and there are bound to be at least a few less than awesome people |
| 19:39.08 | jelly-home | rutski: you have NO idea |
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| 19:39.15 | rutski | jelly-home: nice :-p |
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| 19:39.39 | friese | hi |
| 19:39.44 | jelly-home | rutski: still I haven't found a distro that fits my needs better <g> |
| 19:39.51 | rutski | jelly-home: :) |
| 19:40.04 | friese | im using wheezy here and it has kde 4.4.5 in the repos, any repo/tipps to install kde 4.6? |
| 19:40.54 | rutski | oh, and here's another issue that's been raised in my mind: On OS X you get binary packages from upstream that say something like "Works on OS X 1.5+", because the developer can rely on certain library features being present on OS X 1.5+ |
| 19:41.16 | rutski | and I'm sure a developer could release something like says, for example, "Works on Debian 5.0+" |
| 19:41.24 | rutski | but it'd be nasty to have to do that for *every* linux distro |
| 19:41.41 | stew | which is why the distros are important |
| 19:41.44 | rutski | and it'd also be nasty to have to wait until the Debian community, and the Fedora community, and all the other communities pull your software into their repos |
| 19:41.52 | rutski | so what's the solution exactly :-p |
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| 19:42.08 | rutski | stew: hmm? "important"? how so? |
| 19:42.10 | stew | the solution is that the distros create a release of software known to work well together |
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| 19:42.52 | rutski | stew: yeah, but I can't possibly expect the Debian community to go and find my little obscure and seldom used educational software, let's say, and pull it into their repos |
| 19:42.52 | jelly-home | rutski: well. A distro provides a stable OS. The few packages you REALLY care about, you can keep more up-to-date yourself (or use something like backports.debian.org or a third party repo) |
| 19:42.56 | rutski | there's just too much software out there |
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| 19:43.18 | jhutchins | rutski: 30,000 packages |
| 19:43.22 | DrMrHorse | not enough! |
| 19:43.24 | babilen | friese: I believe that 4.6 is in sid and you could pull it from there. Note that there is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid users. |
| 19:43.35 | jelly-home | jhutchins: not even half of CPAN is in there! |
| 19:43.53 | friese | ok |
| 19:44.16 | stew | rutski: at the same time, as a software developer, I cannot possible make sure that my software works with debian {stable,testing,unstable} ubuntu {x,y,z}, rhel 4,5,6, fedora 14,15,16, gentoo, suse, centos... |
| 19:44.23 | jhutchins | rutski: How would a developer know that his software wouldn't break something on all possible combinations of 30,000 Debian packages multiplied by all the possible hardware it can run on? |
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| 19:44.47 | jhutchins | rutski: That's what Community Based software is all about. |
| 19:44.54 | rutski | stew: I think you could, if you could distributed copies of your dependency libraries which you knew worked and had the features your software needs. |
| 19:45.04 | rutski | stew: that'd be a big space-waster, but it'd work |
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| 19:45.32 | stew | rutski: so what happens when i want one piece of software over there, which provides one set of libraries, and this other one over here with a conflicting set of the same libraries |
| 19:45.41 | jhutchins | rutski: There are development teams out there that are constantly releasing packages with major bugs in them. |
| 19:45.44 | jelly-home | rutski: some vendors do that, they provide own builds for many distros and do their own unit tests to verify things work |
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| 19:45.59 | rutski | jhutchins: it's this mess of possible combinations of 30,000 debian packages that I'm trying to figure out a way to get around :-p |
| 19:46.08 | jhutchins | rutski: You have to consider what resources are available at which levels of development. |
| 19:46.17 | jhutchins | rutski: Run OSX. |
| 19:46.19 | jelly-home | rutski: there's typically no need to have to get around it in advance |
| 19:46.41 | rutski | stew: "member:rutski: so what happens when i want one piece of software over there, which provides one set of libraries, and this other one over here with a conflicting set of the same libraries" <--- not sure what you mean |
| 19:47.22 | rutski | stew: but if you distribute your software with all of the necessary .so files bundled, or statically compiled in, then you can just say "Runs on Linux Kernel version X", and push it out to all linux distros, and it'll "just work" |
| 19:47.23 | rutski | no? |
| 19:47.50 | stew | the gobilinux approach |
| 19:47.57 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Sure, and then everything runs slow. Like on the unmetionable os. |
| 19:48.01 | jelly-home | rutski: eg. software A uses libfoo 1.2; software B uses libfoo 1.3, and you can't have two libfoos at the same time (and maybe libfoo is actually at 1.5 now) |
| 19:48.02 | rutski | oh, that's what it's called? :-p |
| 19:48.02 | stew | err gobolinux |
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| 19:48.33 | rutski | jelly-home: No, you can have two libfoos at the same time :-p |
| 19:48.38 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Because you use gobs more ram than necessary. |
| 19:49.04 | rutski | jelly-home: binaries usually point to a specific version number of a shared lib, and will load only if that version number (or one higher is present) |
| 19:49.05 | jelly-home | rutski: ok. Now you have two libfoos. A security issue for libfoo appears! Congrats, you have two times more work to fix it. |
| 19:49.15 | ompaul | rutski: and then your software gets called a hog (and rightly so) |
| 19:49.33 | rutski | jelly-home: and things in /usr/lib and such have version number suffixies, like libexpat.1.5.2.so, so libexpat.1.2.so could also exist |
| 19:49.47 | jelly-home | rutski: ah, SONAMEs. |
| 19:49.56 | jelly-home | read about those. <g> |
| 19:50.17 | babilen | rutski: I don't quite see your problem. I find it wonderful that I can just "aptitude install" a plethora of useful software and I can *still* install software locally that is not (yet) available in Debian. |
| 19:50.25 | rutski | jelly-home: karlpinc_: This approach seems to be working great for OS X though :-p |
| 19:50.37 | rutski | unless I'm misunderstanding something |
| 19:50.49 | ansgar | rutski: They probably don't fix security issues for embedded libraries. |
| 19:50.56 | jelly-home | rutski: except when it doesn't and upstream changes ABI without bumping SONAME |
| 19:51.16 | karlpinc_ | jelly-home: (those devils) |
| 19:51.19 | rutski | babilen: my problem is that I want to produce software that I know will run on any linux machine, and I don't want to have to wait months or years for every distro to vet it and pull it into their repos so that my users can get my work |
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| 19:51.42 | rutski | I like how on OS X can I write code against the feature set presents on 10.5, and then say that my code will work on any system running OS X 10.5+ |
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| 19:51.54 | stew | rutski: why can't you do this for debian stable? |
| 19:51.58 | rutski | and I'm confused about why we can't have a similar situation on Linux |
| 19:52.05 | ompaul | rutski: until 10.22 which you don't know |
| 19:52.06 | jelly-home | rutski: oh! Use Solaris, then <g> |
| 19:52.09 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Then all your users will get their software from you and they'll all have to do their own system's integration and security management. |
| 19:52.15 | rutski | stew: I can, but then I'd have to do it for Fedora stable, and SuSE stable, and RedHat stable, and etc... |
| 19:52.18 | deever | babilen: yes, i'm getting the same error by using apt-get -b source icedove (and the deb-src line in the sources.list). |
| 19:52.19 | rutski | and it's too much overhead |
| 19:52.26 | karlpinc_ | rutski: We know how good most people are at those tasks. |
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| 19:52.32 | ompaul | rutski: do one version, if it is interesting we can all port it |
| 19:52.33 | jelly-home | rutski: so let the distros care. |
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| 19:52.39 | Woet | When running debuild, I get: gpg: skipped "Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org>": secret key not available |
| 19:52.40 | babilen | deever: hmm and the build-deps are installed? |
| 19:52.43 | Woet | how would I fix it? |
| 19:52.49 | deever | babilen: yes |
| 19:52.53 | rutski | jelly-home: but that means that my users won't get my updated software for months, or even years |
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| 19:53.05 | babilen | deever: on squeeze isn't it (I build on sid) |
| 19:53.07 | ompaul | rutski: why would they need it |
| 19:53.17 | stew | rutski: in osx, you do all the work. in this model you are waiting for volunteers to do the work for you, but you get way more benefits. on osx you get to run on exactly one platform, on linux you get to run on dozens |
| 19:53.25 | rutski | ompaul: because it might have features they'd find useful |
| 19:53.31 | jelly-home | rutski: well then set up a build farm and a testing framework |
| 19:53.33 | stew | rutski: and you get volunteers translating your software into dozens of languages for you |
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| 19:53.39 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Unless there's a security problem, in which case the user's wont' know about the problem and won't fix things. |
| 19:53.46 | ompaul | rutski: welcome to the world where you compromise and can't have everything |
| 19:53.49 | deever | babilen: yes, on squeezy |
| 19:53.53 | rutski | jelly-home: it's GUI software, not quite so easy to test :-p |
| 19:54.08 | babilen | Woet: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a better place. But I guess that your KEYID env var points to a key that is not available. |
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| 19:54.24 | deever | s/squeezy/squeeze/ |
| 19:54.29 | jelly-home | rutski: I'm reading that as "I don't know how to implement automated GUI testing" |
| 19:54.33 | rutski | heh, "squeezy" :-p |
| 19:54.34 | stew | rutski: so part fo the difference is that unlike steve jobs, linus doesn't try to tell people what hardware you are allowed to run linux on, or what can be on the hardware with linux when you sell it |
| 19:54.41 | babilen | deever: I am not sure why you can't build it. sorry |
| 19:54.42 | karlpinc_ | rutski: If they _really_ care they'll get the source and keep up with things themselves. |
| 19:54.50 | rutski | jelly-home: you're reading it right, heh :( |
| 19:54.54 | DammitJim | is firefox the same as iceweasel? |
| 19:55.05 | karlpinc_ | does not know how to implement automated GUI testing. |
| 19:55.10 | ompaul | DammitJim: close as damnit jim |
| 19:55.11 | deever | babilen: i've also tried to install the wheezy deb on squeeze, but it requires a newer libgtk2 which i don't want to update...;) |
| 19:55.24 | rutski | karlpinc_: most people who care wouldn't be savvy enough to source-compile |
| 19:55.25 | karlpinc_ | !tell DammitJim about why iceweasel |
| 19:55.39 | ompaul | DammitJim: the name had to be changed Thank Mozilla for their trademark policy ;-) |
| 19:55.55 | rutski | karlpinc_: I'd want to provide usable binary packages, and give the user a pop-up to upgrade when I want to push out new features |
| 19:56.00 | rutski | like Skype does on OS X and Windows |
| 19:56.01 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 19:56.10 | rutski | like basically every piece of GUI software does on OS X and Windows |
| 19:56.29 | karlpinc_ | rutski: There's really nothing stopping you. If you want to take on all that work, go for it. |
| 19:56.33 | stew | rutski: go for it |
| 19:56.39 | Justin | rutski: every piece of GUI software on OS X and iwndows that includes its own updater is a piece of crap |
| 19:56.53 | deever | babilen: np |
| 19:56.58 | ompaul | rutski: so go and do that, and stop asking us when we believe that you should (A) distribute the source (B) let the distros decide what to build for themselves and (C) how best to package it and you do (D) which is you write and publish your own stuff |
| 19:57.00 | stew | rutski: its just a lot more work, since linux is much more diverse |
| 19:57.02 | jelly-home | rutski: my Opera on Debian says "oh there's a newer version of Opera available! Please upgrade it using the standard distro tools" |
| 19:57.04 | babilen | deever: Sure, installing the wheezy deb is not a good idea. You could ask on the pkg-mozilla-maintainers ML or in #debian-mozilla on irc.oftc.net about that problem. |
| 19:57.15 | stew | err, runs in much more diverse environments |
| 19:57.17 | rutski | Justin: That's be Skype, and Photoshop, and Colloquy, and basically EVERYTHING on those platforms :-p |
| 19:57.24 | jhutchins | How do I get a "Sun Java VM" on lenny? |
| 19:57.47 | Justin | rutski: skype, as I previously mentioned, just automatically installed software without the users permission? |
| 19:57.51 | jelly-home | ,version sun-java5-bin |
| 19:57.54 | jelly-home | ,versions sun-java5-bin |
| 19:57.55 | judd | Package sun-java5-bin on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1.5.0-22-0lenny1 |
| 19:57.56 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Why does MS Windows need to be wiped and re-installed every few years. I posit it's because the users get their own software from random places and do their own system integration. The Linux distro model is different and works better. How are you going to solve that problem? (Or perhaps you don't care.) |
| 19:58.01 | jelly-home | jhutchins: that? |
| 19:58.20 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Quite possibly. I'll bug dpkg some more. |
| 19:58.40 | rutski | Justin: that shouldn't stop *me* from pushing out my *non-malicious* new features to my users as fast as possible, and to all distros |
| 19:59.01 | jelly-home | karlpinc_: it doesn't work that much better really, just different |
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| 19:59.24 | Justin | rutski: nothing is stopping you from running a web server that hosts a debian repository |
| 19:59.36 | karlpinc_ | jelly-home: It seems to work better for debian anyway. Everybody just upgrades and the boxes keep going. |
| 19:59.41 | babilen | rutski: You can still do that and your users would install your software to /usr/local or /opt |
| 19:59.54 | rutski | Justin: yes, but the work required to run a repo for *every* distro would be prohibitive |
| 19:59.55 | jelly-home | karlpinc_: except for 2-3 people in here every day that reinstall |
| 20:00.17 | jelly-home | karlpinc_: and the cruft that accumulates inevitably |
| 20:00.24 | stew | rutski: so you need to figure out a way to stop a few thousand distros from existing, and try to get people to stop using linux on anything but i386 hardware |
| 20:00.26 | karlpinc_ | jelly-home: Sure, because they didn't read the upgrade instructions. |
| 20:00.30 | ompaul | rutski: the thing is this do one - if your kit is good enough then people will port to others |
| 20:00.36 | jhutchins | rutski: Which is why most projects leave it to the Distro teams to do testing and packaging. |
| 20:00.38 | ompaul | rutski: that is all you have to do |
| 20:00.43 | jelly-home | karlpinc_: that is NOT a plus |
| 20:00.55 | karlpinc_ | jelly-home: True. |
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| 20:01.31 | karlpinc_ | jelly-home: Still, we seem to have at least an order of magnitude less cruft accumulation, at least outside of /home. |
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| 20:02.12 | batchy | more importantly, we can detect cruft. |
| 20:02.13 | jelly-home | karlpinc_: and at least an order of magnitude more unfriendly OS |
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| 20:02.34 | Justin | unfriendly to who? |
| 20:02.39 | karlpinc_ | jelly-home: I think I've become constitutionally unable to make that sort of judgement. |
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| 20:03.14 | jelly-home | karlpinc_: I'm using Debian pretty much because I'm used to it. |
| 20:03.57 | lmde | hello ..cam someone point me to any good tutorial about compiling kernel from source.tar-bz2 ? |
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| 20:04.08 | lmde | can* |
| 20:04.15 | karlpinc_ | jelly-home: I use it because it drives me less nuts than the alternatives. |
| 20:04.18 | Justin | lmde: why? |
| 20:04.33 | jelly-home | using _anything_ else requires relearning to do uninteresting computer stuff instead of using the computer to DO something |
| 20:04.35 | lmde | i wanna compile kernel 2.6.39 on my machine |
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| 20:05.16 | lmde | i`m using 2.6.38-2 atm |
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| 20:05.39 | Justin | lmde: why? |
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| 20:06.03 | karlpinc_ | jelly-home: And it can't be _that_ unfriendly because my Mom uses it; and I spend much less time supporting her than I otherwise would. |
| 20:06.10 | lmde | cause it`s the latest stable kernel and i want my machine up to date |
| 20:06.24 | lmde | can u now stop askin` why and why over and over again ?:) |
| 20:06.40 | stew | lmde: google for the kernel howto |
| 20:06.47 | karlpinc_ | lmde: Because it gets you what benefit? (As opposed to the downsides of having to keep up with security fixes?) |
| 20:07.01 | karlpinc_ | !tell lmde about make-kpkg |
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| 20:07.16 | ansgar | lmde: In unrelated news, 2.6.39 should be available in unstable. |
| 20:07.34 | thewanderer1 | ,file /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw |
| 20:07.37 | judd | /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw in squeeze/i386: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw |
| 20:08.00 | Justin | lmde: is the kernel you have now not stable? |
| 20:08.03 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 20:08.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-1-686-pae (2.6.39-1); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 20:08.23 | jelly-home | Justin: it's not shiny or new |
| 20:08.35 | lmde | it`s stable Justin |
| 20:08.36 | stew | is it shit? |
| 20:08.48 | thewanderer1 | I'm booted over PXE/NFS. how do I switch myself to 1000Mb/s from 100Mb/s without disrupting the system? |
| 20:09.10 | thewanderer1 | the system does not want to upgrade my speed even though it knows that 1000Mbit/s is available on this link... |
| 20:09.58 | thewanderer1 | do I turn off autoneg? |
| 20:10.20 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: iptools might be able to do it. |
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| 20:10.34 | Justin | themill: pretty sure autonegotiaton is a requirement for gig |
| 20:10.35 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: telnet to the switch, set speed of port to 1000? |
| 20:10.45 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: no, the port is at 1000Mbit/s |
| 20:10.54 | thewanderer1 | it's just that after boot, my side is set to 100Mbit/s |
| 20:10.57 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: You should try to determine why it's not going to 1G, and your solution would probably depend on your chipset - and should be findable on google. |
| 20:11.10 | themill | fixes Justin's tab-completion |
| 20:11.14 | Justin | grr |
| 20:11.15 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: so it's set to autonegotiate, not forced to 1000 |
| 20:11.21 | Justin | thewanderer1: are your cables capable of gig? |
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| 20:11.32 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, Justin: yes |
| 20:11.40 | Justin | 2 random pieces of metal twisted together can get 100mbit going :) |
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| 20:12.02 | thewanderer1 | I didn't have the firmware installed, though, maybe that matters somehow |
| 20:12.09 | Justin | thewanderer1: what does dmesg say? |
| 20:12.10 | stew | maybe with 4 pieces |
| 20:12.12 | thewanderer1 | the funny part is that I can boot from PXE without any firmware |
| 20:12.14 | drags | ah, yeah |
| 20:12.27 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: You can boot from PXE at 100M. |
| 20:12.28 | drags | pxe is it's own firmware/rom |
| 20:12.29 | drags | it's preboot |
| 20:12.36 | Justin | stew: that too |
| 20:12.48 | thewanderer1 | [ 0.753147] eth0: unable to apply firmware patch |
| 20:12.59 | jhutchins | stew: I thought 100M took three pairs. |
| 20:13.10 | thewanderer1 | drags: so when I've booted, I should load the firmware for the proper chipset? |
| 20:13.21 | drags | in debian, yes |
| 20:13.23 | stew | jhutchins: it doesn't |
| 20:13.25 | Justin | thewanderer1: install firmware-linux ? |
| 20:13.31 | drags | i'm surprised you have a device if the firmware isn't installed |
| 20:13.45 | Justin | sometimes the firmware is only needed to enable advanced features |
| 20:13.47 | drags | might just be a free versus non-free firmware, and not surprised the free doesn't do 1G |
| 20:13.47 | thewanderer1 | drags: Linux booted from it, so it must know it |
| 20:13.54 | Justin | like jumbo frames or offloading |
| 20:13.57 | jhutchins | stew: I thought Cat4 was two pair and Cat5 was three, and 100M required 5. |
| 20:14.09 | thewanderer1 | ok, rebooting with the firmware, let's see! |
| 20:14.19 | stew | jhutchins: cat5 is anywhere from 1 pair to 100s of pairs |
| 20:14.41 | thewanderer1 | oh great |
| 20:14.47 | stew | jhutchins: 2 pairs for 100bt link. most cat5 cable is 4 pair and you can run 2 100bt connections on it |
| 20:14.52 | thewanderer1 | suddenly, all my Power Off and Reboot buttons disappeared from KDE |
| 20:15.00 | drags | 100bt? |
| 20:15.10 | ompaul | thewanderer1: did you d-u? |
| 20:15.39 | jhutchins | is off reading cable specs. |
| 20:15.45 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: just installed a crapload of GNOME stuff, I bet it has its own concept of privileges... |
| 20:15.55 | thewanderer1 | /sbin/reboot to the rescue! |
| 20:16.05 | stew | jhutchins: the 5 in cat5 is just how twisty it is and the gague wire |
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| 20:16.29 | ompaul | thewanderer1: log off and back on |
| 20:16.34 | ompaul | choose kde on the way in |
| 20:16.37 | drags | cat5 can do 1g.. and I'm assuming you mean cat5e which has taken over for cat5 years ago as the defacto |
| 20:16.49 | drags | still cat5(not e) can do 1g under favorable conditions |
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| 20:17.01 | Mr-R | thewanderer1: and choose kdm as manager instead of gdm |
| 20:17.39 | drags | also 100bt sounds like 100 "bits" which is 12 bytes.. with no timing factor (the p.s. part of Kbps) |
| 20:18.12 | jhutchins | stew: Ah, here we go: "While 100M LANs allowed a 2-pair (4 conductor) wiring version (100base-TX) gigabit LANs require 4-pairs (all 8 conductors) which is functionally similar to 100base-T4 wiring." |
| 20:18.26 | stew | drags: i mean 100base-tx, sorry |
| 20:18.39 | drags | ahh |
| 20:18.39 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: If you don't have all 4 pair, it will auto-negotiate to 100M. |
| 20:18.40 | drags | sorry |
| 20:18.51 | drags | i've never dealt in XbaseY :o |
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| 20:19.01 | drags | too young ;) |
| 20:19.31 | simonlnu | XXXXbT |
| 20:19.46 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins, but I have all 4 pairs |
| 20:20.06 | thewanderer1 | I've just installed the firmware, yet the system is still negotiating it to 100Mbit/s |
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| 20:20.25 | thewanderer1 | (booted from PXE) |
| 20:20.41 | simonlnu | mii-tool or ethtool ? |
| 20:20.46 | thewanderer1 | ethtool |
| 20:20.55 | thewanderer1 | dmesg confirms the speed |
| 20:21.13 | beware | 1000baseT Gbit, the most common kind, uses 4 pairs, and can work over cat5e |
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| 20:21.22 | beware | 1000baseTX is an obsolete standard that needs only 2 pairs, but needs cat6 |
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| 20:22.08 | boudiccas | what command do i have to run please to mount a cdrom0 that is not emntioned in fstab please? |
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| 20:22.19 | beware | man mount |
| 20:22.19 | thewanderer1 | so I don't know how to change my speed to gigabit now |
| 20:22.20 | boudiccas | i've tried sudo mount cdrom0 |
| 20:22.36 | jelly-home | boudiccas: pmount cdrom0 ought to work |
| 20:22.54 | boudiccas | jelly-home; thanks |
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| 20:23.35 | thewanderer1 | ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 # yields "Invalid argument" |
| 20:23.53 | thewanderer1 | do I need to take the interface down or something? |
| 20:23.55 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: Find out why it's not doing 1G, look up your chipset. |
| 20:24.48 | thewanderer1 | oh and by the way, after installing gnome-desktop-environment, Rhythmbox automagically plays .pls |
| 20:25.37 | boudiccas | jelly-home; when trying to run ...... pmount cdrom0 ...... i just get command not found! should i install it and if so, whats the package name please? |
| 20:25.50 | jelly-home | ,file bin/pmount |
| 20:25.54 | judd | bin/pmount in squeeze/i386: pmount: usr/bin/pmount |
| 20:26.02 | jelly-home | boudiccas: ^^ |
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| 20:26.27 | lynx-- | how do I stop the mixer/sound system from automatically playing what sounds go into the microphone to stop feedback |
| 20:26.31 | lynx-- | Windows can do it, why can't Debian |
| 20:26.54 | jelly-home | boudiccas: you could also use the standard mount /dev/cdrom0 /cdrom (or some other preexisting directory instead of /cdrom) syntax |
| 20:26.58 | thewanderer1 | lynx--: run alsamixer, find microphone in Output section, disable it, fixed |
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| 20:27.08 | lynx-- | but I want to record output from the speaker |
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| 20:27.20 | thewanderer1 | lynx--: that will not impact recording |
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| 20:27.55 | lynx-- | I did it and now it isn't recording anything |
| 20:28.10 | lynx-- | This is in the F3 Playback section of alsamixer |
| 20:28.11 | DammitJim | what lightweight browser do you guys recommend? |
| 20:28.25 | DammitJim | LOL... I basically just need a browser that will let me work with java |
| 20:28.36 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: so forget lightweight... |
| 20:29.19 | themill | !lightweight |
| 20:29.19 | dpkg | mjg59: To a first approximation, when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I don't understand the problems that the alternative solves". (http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html) |
| 20:29.21 | jhutchins | lynx--: http://linux.about.com/od/itl_guide/a/gdeitl82t02.htm |
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| 20:29.46 | jhutchins | lynx--: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7205 |
| 20:30.36 | thewanderer1 | wait what... Link partner advertised link modes: 100Mbit/s |
| 20:30.53 | jhutchins | lynx--: http://jordilin.wordpress.com/2006/07/28/howto-recording-audio-from-the-command-line/ |
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| 20:31.32 | stew | jhutchins: stop, you don't understand his problem |
| 20:31.53 | stew | jhutchins: you are just sending him on wild goose chases |
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| 20:32.46 | thewanderer1 | think I'll try with a different cable indeed |
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| 20:33.58 | mysticsilent | hi there, how can i enable 3d accaleration on squeeze stable? I have 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] |
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| 20:36.39 | thewanderer1 | haaaaaaaa! cable! |
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| 20:37.32 | thewanderer1 | um, Xpress 200 should be supported by the ati driver in X |
| 20:38.46 | thewanderer1 | mysticsilent: ok, how do you know you don't have 3d acceleration currently? |
| 20:39.22 | mysticsilent | thewanderer1, i'm new to this. how can i check? |
| 20:39.35 | thewanderer1 | mysticsilent: install mesa-utils and run glxgears |
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| 20:39.51 | babilen | mysticsilent: Make sure you have firmare-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed and run "glxinfo" to check if you have 3D acceleration |
| 20:40.19 | thewanderer1 | glxinfo might be better used when piped through grep, like this: `glxinfo | grep direct` |
| 20:40.40 | babilen | mysticsilent: You, naturally, have to restart X. If you need more information -- /msg dpkg radeon -- /msg dpkg radeon firmware |
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| 20:41.23 | babilen | thewanderer1: no, you could have "direct rendering: Yes" and a software rasterizer in use (OpenGL renderer string) |
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| 20:43.16 | thewanderer1 | regarding the virt-manager issue I asked about earlier... the #virt guys said that calling `netcat` is a feature of libvirt, so probably changing libvirt to call `netcat.openbsd` is not possible... any idea of where this should be 'fixed'? |
| 20:43.16 | fumanchu182 | Hello I am having problems with preinst and postinst scripts I am trying to create in a package I am maintaining. I have turned on -x in the pre and post install scripts, would there be a reason for a variable to have a double input for example CURRENTVERSION=`dpkg --status PACKAGE` when I run preinst at the terminal I get CURRENTVERSION=0.73.1 but when I run the command dpkg -i PACKAGE I get CURRENTVERSION='0.73.1 |
| 20:43.16 | fumanchu182 | 0.73.1' (should be a newline in there) |
| 20:43.32 | mysticsilent | thewanderer1, i installed all the packages. i can now see glxgears working |
| 20:43.47 | fumanchu182 | This is my first time making a debian package for an internal app so any help is appreciated. |
| 20:44.28 | stew | thewanderer1: wait, why wouldn't calling netcat.openbsd be possible? |
| 20:44.54 | thewanderer1 | stew: because if you do it in libvirt, you assume that *all* remote OSes call it the same. would you rely on Fedora to call it netcat.openbsd? or Gentoo? |
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| 20:45.27 | stew | thewanderer1: so wait, this is called on the guest? not on the host? |
| 20:45.38 | mysticsilent | thank you all. compositing is active now |
| 20:45.47 | thewanderer1 | stew: no no, it's called on the remote host when you connect to it with virt-manager |
| 20:46.37 | stew | thewanderer1: so this has nothing to do with the Recommends: in libvirt-bin |
| 20:47.41 | stew | thewanderer1: what is it that netcats other than netcat.openbsd cannot do? |
| 20:48.00 | thewanderer1 | stew: some -U option that the client, via libvirt, expects to be present |
| 20:48.05 | ansgar | fumanchu182: #debian-mentors on OFTC. And why do you call dpkg in the maintainer scripts at all? |
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| 20:48.44 | fumanchu182 | ansgar, is the current version of the package I am working with available as a variable internally to pre/postinst scripts, couldn't find any documentation in the maintainers manual |
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| 20:49.12 | stew | fumanchu182: you should be passed the current version on the command line during an upgrade |
| 20:49.22 | jhutchins | stew: Trying to give him some relevant background so he can avoid willfully ignorant statements like " Windows can do it, why can't Debian". Linux is used for professional sound recording. |
| 20:50.10 | stew | jhutchins: are you sure that linux can do what he wants to do? |
| 20:50.15 | stew | with his current drivers? |
| 20:50.44 | stew | jhutchins: and what does this have to do with professional sound recording at all? |
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| 20:51.03 | fumanchu182 | stew, these are the documents I am reading to learn, are these the defacto standards? http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 20:51.21 | ansgar | fumanchu182: current version is hard to define during an upgrade. But as stew said you want to take a look at the parameters to pass to the maintainer scripts. |
| 20:51.38 | stew | fumanchu182: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#s-mscriptsinstact ; and here: http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts |
| 20:51.45 | ansgar | fumanchu182: They are documented in the policy http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 20:51.48 | fumanchu182 | well preinst and postinst just get run or am I missing something? |
| 20:52.11 | stew | fumanchu182: when your postinst gets called during an upgrade, it will be "....postinst updgrade $oldversion" |
| 20:52.38 | fumanchu182 | ah okay lemme do some tinkering and output what variables get passed in, should have started there |
| 20:52.41 | stew | fumanchu182: so your maintainer scripts could just be saying CURRENTVERSION=$2 |
| 20:52.42 | mohamed-ragab | how to install mod_security |
| 20:52.49 | mohamed-ragab | on apache |
| 20:52.59 | fumanchu182 | stew, yeah that's what I was trying to accomplish thank you |
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| 20:54.45 | themill | mohamed-ragab: there's a libapache-mod-security package that contains documentation on this in /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-security. |
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| 20:56.50 | wolfric | is there anyway of enforcing additional authentication checks when modifying certain files or executing certain commands? so for example i would like to make all my users enter a password when modifying files such as .bashrc |
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| 20:58.40 | fumanchu182 | stew, awesomeness all around, when I was reading that doc I thought it was literally passing in old_version and new_version |
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| 21:02.56 | fumanchu182 | I see the caveat now. However postinst doesn't get passed the new version of the package in question as it uses the currently configured version or old_version. Fooey on that. |
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| 21:03.54 | stew | fumanchu182: i think it is assumed that you know what version you are |
| 21:04.20 | fumanchu182 | Yes but then that means I would have to change it statically in each of the pre and postinst scripts, was hoping for a variable or some sort to be available. |
| 21:04.35 | fumanchu182 | Worst case scenario, I just statically put it in. |
| 21:04.51 | fumanchu182 | I would just have to update control and postinst |
| 21:04.56 | fumanchu182 | not a biggie I think in the grand scheme of things |
| 21:05.14 | themill | It's usually pretty rare that postinst actually needs to know what the installed version is. |
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| 21:06.25 | fas3r | Hello |
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| 21:06.56 | fumanchu182 | themill, I agree, just that I update a symlink based on the new version but it's okay I am content with putting it in manually, I just commented in the script for future developers that it better match what is in control or you are screwed. |
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| 21:07.47 | fas3r | the modules ip_nat_ftp and ip_conntrack_ftp for iptables cant be used with an other port than 21 ? |
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| 21:08.19 | stew | fas3r: ask #netfilter |
| 21:08.36 | themill | fumanchu182: why aren't you shipping the symlink in the package itself? (i.e. make the symlink at build time) |
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| 21:08.59 | fumanchu182 | I never thought of it that way, I probably could. |
| 21:09.14 | fumanchu182 | just tuck it into the folder structure of the package. |
| 21:09.31 | themill | yes |
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| 21:09.51 | fumanchu182 | will the symlink just get over written on deployment? |
| 21:09.54 | fumanchu182 | if so that is an awesome idea |
| 21:09.57 | fumanchu182 | makes life easy |
| 21:10.39 | fas3r | because i have a FTP Server behind a gateway but i got a message which said i cant connect because the server return an address which is not routable :/ |
| 21:10.45 | themill | fumanchu182: dpkg treats a symlink (almost) just like any other file you want to ship in a package. It's unpacked with the rest of the files and is deleted on removal (or upgrade if appropriate). |
| 21:11.13 | fumanchu182 | ah dope, i am liking the debian packaging system more and more |
| 21:12.11 | themill | fumanchu182: my experience in packaging is that if I think something is a bit annoying or a feature is lacking, it's normally because I've not thought about the problem in the right way and am trying some ugly hack rather than doing it the Right Way™. |
| 21:12.58 | needle_ | is back... went to get some alcohol and cigs and thorazine and lorazapam and food and vitamins. |
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| 21:17.46 | fumanchu182 | themill, i think you have to use -f or force with ln -s if you create it programatically otherwise dpkg doesn't overwrite it |
| 21:19.51 | themill | fumanchu182: dpkg would not remove the existing link if it were not part of a previous package; you'd need to do that in preinst for packages older than $fixedversion. Thereafter, dpkg will remove it as part of the file upgrade process while unpacking the new version. |
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| 21:26.23 | fumanchu182 | themill, yeah i think what is going on is that I am creating the link manually and somehow I am including my debian directory build path in it. |
| 21:26.27 | fumanchu182 | I'll figure it out, reading man now. |
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| 21:27.14 | themill | fumanchu182: dh_link(1) may be useful too |
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| 21:29.48 | fumanchu182 | ah sweet i can just thrown them in package.links |
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| 21:30.43 | themill | fumanchu182: not if you want to include $version in one of the path names |
| 21:32.25 | Lns | Are there any comptuer (non-server) manufacturers that pre-install Debian? |
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| 21:33.33 | thewanderer1 | Lns: look at debian.org - there are links |
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| 21:33.46 | Lns | thewanderer1: thanks =) |
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| 21:39.50 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins: Yup, restaring cups got rid of the canceled entry. (I wonder what that's about?) |
| 21:40.07 | karlpinc_ | s/restaring/restarting/ |
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| 21:41.28 | lynx`` | How do I turn off automatic microphone playback of what sounds enter the microphone? I want to put my microphone up to my speakers without having it make a "wweeeeooooo" sound? I tried jackd, pavucontrol and they too didn't work |
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| 21:42.19 | ompaul | lynx``: alsamixer and highlight the mike press "M" and it will mute |
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| 21:42.50 | stew | lynx``: its important that you make it clear to people that you still want input from the microphone, its that you just don't want that input to go back out as output |
| 21:42.53 | lynx`` | ompaul: My question is: will it still record though |
| 21:43.03 | rutski | "When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is started, bash reads and executes commands from /etc/bash.bashrc" |
| 21:43.07 | lynx`` | I mean for capturing audio from the mic |
| 21:43.12 | rutski | but when would it actually ever be a useful thing to start bash as a non-interactive login shell? |
| 21:43.17 | rutski | I'm so confused about what that even means |
| 21:43.38 | stew | rutski: when you open a xterm in your windowing environment |
| 21:43.47 | ompaul | lynx``: ahh that would be a matter for the person who owns the speakers to turn them off I guess |
| 21:43.57 | rutski | stew: oh, I thought that would be a login shell |
| 21:44.02 | rutski | wait.. what exactly is a "login" shell |
| 21:44.17 | lynx`` | In alsamixer I muted mic with M and it STILL makes sound |
| 21:44.27 | rutski | oh, god; do they mean it to be "a shell started by /bin/login, and nothing else?" |
| 21:44.37 | stew | rutski: or an ssh login |
| 21:44.43 | lynx`` | I think it's stupid... windows doesn't do th is, if you shout into the mic even when recording, it doesn't playback while recording |
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| 21:44.52 | rutski | wah, why wouldn't an xterm fall into that category then |
| 21:45.05 | stew | rutski: you are already logged in |
| 21:45.08 | rutski | hmm, maybe it's the "you just typed in a password" effect |
| 21:45.10 | rutski | yeah, interesting |
| 21:45.16 | galaxy_999 | lynx``: this is a debian support channel. please continue to ask for support in #ubuntu |
| 21:45.45 | stew | rutski: you login, start screen, all the bash processes that are started when you create a new window in screen are not login shells but they are interractive |
| 21:45.46 | rutski | stew: though I can't imagine why it would be useful to have bash read different start-up files after a /bin/login than it does on a new xterm |
| 21:46.11 | rutski | indeed, yeah; I think this is making some sense actually |
| 21:46.27 | rutski | it's just that 99% of the time all I do is put 'source ~/.profile' into my ~/.bashrc |
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| 21:46.41 | rutski | and I can't imagine any time have anything more than that in .bashrc |
| 21:46.54 | stew | rutski: shells start other shells, so if you have "PATH=~/bin:$PATH" in a startup script. you don't want it to end up "PATH=~/bin;~/bin:~/bin:~/bin" because you are several subshells deep |
| 21:47.05 | ompaul | rutski: well now that is a long way from there are too many or was it two many distros earlier ;-) |
| 21:47.12 | rutski | stew: ahh, right; noted |
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| 21:47.16 | lynx`` | I think it's stupid... windows doesn't do th is, if you shout into the mic even when recording, it doesn't playback while recording |
| 21:47.19 | lynx`` | In alsamixer I muted mic with M and it STILL makes sound |
| 21:47.22 | lynx`` | How do I turn off automatic microphone playback of what sounds enter the microphone? I want to put my microphone up to my speakers without having it make a "wweeeeooooo" sound |
| 21:47.31 | rutski | ompaul: :-p |
| 21:48.16 | ompaul | lynx``: you have asked we have seen I have said turn your speakers down you have told us yuou wanted more maybe we don't know or care about that setup enough to have run it and therefore you have not had an answer please wait about 20mins before you ask again |
| 21:48.18 | gnarface | lynx``: dude learn to use alsamixer. you're muting the wrong channel. |
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| 21:48.45 | themill | or possibly the drivers can't do it |
| 21:49.11 | gnarface | can't not echo the mic input to output? i'd find that very unlikely |
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| 21:49.30 | lynx`` | Ok, so if I don't mute microphone in F3 Playback, what DO I mute? |
| 21:49.49 | lynx`` | AC97? SigmaTel? |
| 21:50.03 | gnarface | lynx``: soundcards are all different. aux/mix channel? got one of those? |
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| 21:50.07 | themill | gnarface: mrs themill's laptop does that. Also refuses to mute the built-in speakers when plugging in a headphone. |
| 21:50.23 | gnarface | themill: ouch. sorry |
| 21:50.30 | lynx`` | yes gnarface |
| 21:50.36 | gnarface | lynx``: look for "analog mix" try muting that |
| 21:50.42 | lynx`` | for playb ack aux is muted |
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| 21:51.06 | gnarface | lynx``: post a screenshot of your alsamixer playback and record panels for us? |
| 21:51.13 | lynx`` | [Capture] Mix [Off, Off] |
| 21:51.14 | lynx`` | sre |
| 21:51.21 | lynx`` | Aux [Off, Off] for capture |
| 21:51.37 | lynx`` | Aux muted for F3:[Playback] |
| 21:51.43 | gnarface | themill: i had that problem with the soundcard in an old g4 mac laptop some time ago although the bug was fixed as quickly as it appeared |
| 21:52.13 | babilen | lynx``: "uname -a" gives you what? |
| 21:52.15 | themill | gnarface: yeah, I don't know if a newer kernel fixed that or not for her; I've not tried since. |
| 21:53.12 | enlightified | here I go again :) what do you guys do when working on projects that require different versions libraries and thus dependency trees? Install each library by hand? |
| 21:54.03 | gnarface | enlightified: chroot |
| 21:54.15 | enlightified | ah. |
| 21:54.16 | lynx`` | Linux iserver 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed May 18 07:08:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:54.23 | gnarface | enlightified: that's what its for |
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| 21:55.18 | enlightified | Okay I didn't know that it could be used that way. |
| 21:55.32 | lynx`` | alright |
| 21:55.50 | themill | enlightified: that and cluebat all upstreams involved for using non-stable APIs/ABIs for their libraries and for either chasing the latest version of the library or not updating to a newer version of the library as appropriate. |
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| 21:56.28 | lynx`` | This is what my playback settings look like:http://img204.imageshack.us/i/oldt.png/ |
| 21:56.34 | lynx`` | This is what my playback settings look like: http://img204.imageshack.us/i/oldt.png/ |
| 21:56.43 | enlightified | off I go ... |
| 21:56.49 | enlightified | I'll be back :) |
| 21:57.05 | enlightified | and thank you ... |
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| 21:58.33 | gnarface | lynx``: that looks pretty simple for a sb live card.... are you hiding some of the channels or something? also, can we see the recording settings too? |
| 21:58.46 | lynx`` | if I put the mic setting down in volume all the way, it turns the mic through speaker off, but also turns the mic recoording ability off |
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| 21:58.53 | lynx`` | I'm uploading the recording settings now |
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| 21:59.11 | lynx`` | Recording settings: http://img32.imageshack.us/i/old2i.png/ |
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| 21:59.27 | lynx`` | Playback settings: http://img204.imageshack.us/i/oldt.png/ |
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| 22:00.09 | babilen | lynx``: Weird, I only get that when mic boost is high |
| 22:00.51 | enlightified | themill: you meant gluebat? I was searching for cluebat everywhere :) |
| 22:01.23 | lynx`` | So what do I do then |
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| 22:01.36 | lynx`` | I had capture up all the way, but put it back down and it still does it |
| 22:01.42 | enlightified | glue bat? as in batch files that keep things together? |
| 22:01.59 | gnarface | lynx``: how come the console alsa mixer has those >>> arrows on the left and right sides suggesting there are obscured channels still? |
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| 22:02.28 | lynx`` | there are channels still ojn there |
| 22:02.30 | lynx`` | but... |
| 22:02.36 | lynx`` | I don't know if there is a gui alsa mixer |
| 22:02.59 | gnarface | lynx``: there is or at least was but its kinda irrelevant. show us ALL the channels |
| 22:03.27 | foetus | if you have much luck - gnome-alsamixer.. |
| 22:03.35 | enlightified | Okay I am going to use apt any words of warning? too late :) |
| 22:03.37 | gnarface | lynx``: there is alsamixergui |
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| 22:04.16 | lynx`` | I didn't know that |
| 22:04.28 | lynx`` | Recording settings: http://img32.imageshack.us/i/old2i.png/ |
| 22:04.30 | lynx`` | Playback settings: http://img204.imageshack.us/i/oldt.png/ |
| 22:04.48 | lynx`` | How do I turn off automatic microphone playback of what sounds enter the microphone? I want to put my microphone up to my speakers without having it make a "wweeeeooooo" sound |
| 22:05.16 | foetus | :) |
| 22:05.19 | gnarface | lynx``: are you having a problem making your terminal wider or something? its still obscuring some of the sliders |
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| 22:06.46 | gnarface | lynx``: fyi probably if you mute all mic channels in playback but turn the captured "line live" volume up in the record panel it will do what you want |
| 22:07.18 | gnarface | lynx``: failing that... check for a newer version of the drivers. but i'd really feel more comfortable if you showed us the whole panel. |
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| 22:09.33 | dym | slaps NeoBlaster |
| 22:09.35 | dym | (: |
| 22:09.42 | dym | Neo Blasteur! |
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| 22:12.38 | dadsasfgds | http://www.snowlinux.de/ Snowlinux |
| 22:13.06 | ShadesEdge | Hello, is it possible to install the 2.6.39 kernel on Squeeze? |
| 22:13.27 | ShadesEdge | I found a place to download it but... Would it make any incompatibility? |
| 22:13.54 | Tiffy | which "place" |
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| 22:14.18 | mm` | y |
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| 22:14.23 | flocky | ? java |
| 22:14.25 | ShadesEdge | kernel.org |
| 22:14.32 | nowis | it is ok to install whatever kernel if it works |
| 22:14.34 | flocky | !java |
| 22:14.35 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:14.48 | ZykoticK9 | ShadesEdge, have you checked backports, I think I saw someone mention a kernel update for squeeze the other day. don't know the specifics. |
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| 22:15.04 | nowis | dl the sid linux-image correspononding to your 'uname -r' and dpkg -i it |
| 22:15.10 | nowis | should be fine |
| 22:15.57 | ShadesEdge | nowis: I found the 2.6.39 and it says it's stable, so maybe it could replace the old oneI already have on Squeeze? |
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| 22:16.53 | nowis | just install it and reboot ; the worst that could happen is that you'll have to reboot again and choose your older kernel to boot debian |
| 22:17.04 | nowis | but even that is unlikely |
| 22:18.16 | nowis | @ShadesEdge: you have to dl the sid linux-image*.deb that is available through the debian.org/packages website |
| 22:18.47 | themill | or better, just use the backported kernel images that are known to work and have the correct dependencies available. |
| 22:20.02 | nowis | he wants 39, backports only have 38 i think... |
| 22:20.34 | nowis | but this is correct, you may also have to upgrade linux-firmware |
| 22:20.53 | themill | and 99.9% of the time people ask that, they really mean "something newer" not "absolute latest release". |
| 22:21.20 | themill | also linux-base needs upgrading. |
| 22:22.00 | ShadesEdge | On Sid it isn't even the 2.6.39 stable version... |
| 22:22.08 | nowis | you're right, but since it's kind of a dummy package you could simply remove it while keeping all its dependecies installed |
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| 22:22.26 | nowis | 2.6.39-1-686-pae |
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| 22:22.37 | nowis | so stable + debian patches |
| 22:22.49 | ShadesEdge | I have a 64-bit computer... |
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| 22:23.08 | ShadesEdge | So then it would be 2.6.39-1-amd6¸4 |
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| 22:23.45 | nowis | well i checked and you're f*@%#d indeed |
| 22:23.47 | ShadesEdge | Is the 2.6.39-1 more stable than the 2.6.39??? |
| 22:24.08 | daemonkeeper | The dash denotes a Debian verson |
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| 22:24.29 | nowis | i have pure intel hardware and no fancy periphericals,, debian kernel work for me out of the box since 2.4 |
| 22:24.43 | nowis | ie, i don't know |
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| 22:25.25 | themill | daemonkeeper: actually, it's a kernel ABI revision not package revision in this case -- it's part of the package name not the package version. /msg dpkg kernel abi |
| 22:26.22 | streuner_ | in theory all kernels ending with 36, 38 should be stable, but in reality its sometimes just luck... |
| 22:26.27 | ShadesEdge | Thanks |
| 22:26.45 | ShadesEdge | GNOME 3 isn't stable, isn't it& |
| 22:27.10 | nowis | using it right now, very few bugs and great looks |
| 22:27.22 | nowis | but is not debian-stable, of course not |
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| 22:29.23 | babilen | nowis, ShadesEdge: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 22:30.28 | ShadesEdge | I want to use the latest kernel because I know there is a problem with the old one... |
| 22:30.29 | ShadesEdge | :S |
| 22:30.30 | nowis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.39 | ShadesEdge | Nevermind, goodbye |
| 22:30.50 | foetus | bye |
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| 22:37.38 | lynx`` | How do I make it so that I don't have feedback from the microphone when I put it up to my speaker? I tried jackd also |
| 22:37.41 | lynx`` | http://img836.imageshack.us/i/alsao.png/ |
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| 22:37.54 | lynx`` | How do I make it so that I don't have feedback from the microphone when I put it up to my speaker? I want to make it so that it doesn't go "wwweeeeeooooooo". |
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| 22:38.03 | lynx`` | A screen capture of all my ALSA settings: http://img836.imageshack.us/i/alsao.png/ |
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| 22:39.09 | lynx`` | How do I make it so that I don't have feedback from the microphone when I put it up to my speaker? I want to make it so that it doesn't go "wwweeeeeooooooo". |
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| 22:39.30 | epsilon | lynx``: buy a 1024 channel audio mixer |
| 22:39.32 | ner0x | How can I upgrade from Debian 5.03 ? |
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| 22:39.36 | dondelelcaro | lynx``: mute the microphone or turn down the gain |
| 22:39.49 | dondelelcaro | lynx``: alternatively, spend money on a feedback eliminator |
| 22:40.03 | jhutchins_lt | lynx``: You really can't eliminate it if you're gonna put it up to the speaker with both on. |
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| 22:40.11 | lynx`` | If I turn down playback for microphone, it does the same thing for recording from microphone in gnome-volumen-control |
| 22:40.12 | gnarface | lynx``: all you should have to do is mute the mic on the playback panel. if that also stops you from being able to record, then you have failed to turn on something important on the recording panel. did you try turning up that one capture volume i suggested earlier? |
| 22:40.22 | lynx`` | Nah, I think I'll just buy Windows 7 |
| 22:40.30 | dondelelcaro | ok, best of luck with that. |
| 22:40.35 | lynx`` | Windows by default records without playing it back |
| 22:40.42 | lynx`` | Linux sucks |
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| 22:40.55 | epsilon | go for it. bye. |
| 22:40.56 | gnarface | lynx``: if you're not even gonna try out my advice, i'm going to stop trying to help you |
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| 22:41.19 | Woet | Why does one server with ISCSI automatically detect the SCSI disks and mount them (/dev/sdj for example), and another one doesn't? |
| 22:41.23 | Woet | with the exact same configuration |
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| 22:41.38 | mm` | hello. How do I open a port? |
| 22:42.01 | epsilon | mm`: using a daemon/service? |
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| 22:42.22 | epsilon | or you mean firewall/forwarding? |
| 22:42.24 | mm` | I am using a dedicated server from ovh with debian |
| 22:43.17 | mm` | I am not sure epsilon. I am following a manual that says: If the server reports connection errors to the master server, open port 50300 TCP in your server’s |
| 22:43.17 | mm` | firewall / router / iptables to allow master server communications for streaming new bans and |
| 22:43.17 | mm` | server user statistics. |
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| 22:43.54 | epsilon | wtf... |
| 22:44.07 | Woet | server #1 where it works: http://pastebin.com/AMRvpza3 - server #2 where it fails: http://pastebin.com/B43ci1kb |
| 22:44.23 | Woet | mm`: #debian can't help you find a work around a shitty hosting provider |
| 22:44.44 | mm` | ok Woet. |
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| 22:44.53 | Woet | ovh is known for doing very weird things with networking |
| 22:44.55 | nclpport | so |
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| 22:45.10 | Woet | blocking random ports, limiting udp traffic, telling you to stop using ssl, etc. |
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| 22:45.42 | nclpport | Type nc -l -p 8024 to open port 8 024 |
| 22:45.46 | epsilon | " stop using ss"? srly? |
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| 22:45.52 | nclpport | Type nc -l -p 8024 to open port 8 024 |
| 22:45.58 | nclpport | for example |
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| 22:46.32 | nclpport | That just opens a blank port |
| 22:46.44 | Woet | nclpport: it won't override the rules on ovh's routers |
| 22:46.54 | nclpport | http://www.gamersfirst.com/apb/ <-- It's All-Points Bulletin |
| 22:47.01 | nclpport | oh |
| 22:47.23 | nclpport | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:47.33 | nclpport | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.40 | nclpport | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.51 | nclpport | like HTTP proxies, or SOCKS proxies for example, only I wouldn't use SOCKS |
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| 22:48.18 | ectospasm | I hate socks |
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| 22:48.24 | ectospasm | Make my feet all sweaty |
| 22:48.25 | cheako | Hello, I'm nearing the last round of work on my XML interface to /etc/network/interfaces so it's becoming last call for any other ideas. |
| 22:49.17 | nclpport | My alsa settings: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/alsao.png/ |
| 22:49.28 | nclpport | How do I make it so that I don't have feedback when I record from my speaker |
| 22:49.40 | nclpport | How do I make it so that I don't have feedback when I record from my speaker with a microphone? I don't want it to have a "wweeeeooooo" sound |
| 22:49.48 | nclpport | http://www.gamersfirst.com/apb/ <-- It's All-Points Bulletin |
| 22:50.05 | gnarface | nclpport: what is your major malfunction. i can see from that screenshot you still haven't even tried what i told you to try |
| 22:50.16 | nclpport | You told me to mute mic or something |
| 22:50.27 | nclpport | I don't even kn ow what it is you said |
| 22:50.32 | gnarface | did you READ it? |
| 22:50.40 | gnarface | literacy is your friend |
| 22:50.48 | cheako | nclpport: You have to set the mixer settings four output, muting the channel for the line-in/microphone also mute the capture channel if your card has one. |
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| 22:50.50 | nclpport | Yes... you said something like change one thing then change another |
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| 22:51.04 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: Our troll is back with a new name, |
| 22:51.15 | gnarface | nclpport: Line Livedrive... the one with the red dots over it. turn it up |
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| 22:51.31 | nclpport | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.31 | gnarface | nclpport: and then turn your mic playback on the playback panel OFF (mute) |
| 22:51.35 | galaxy_999 | oh boy here we go |
| 22:51.39 | gnarface | oh god |
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| 22:51.52 | nclpport | there are two linedrives,four acutally |
| 22:52.07 | gnarface | can't tell if he's ignoring what i'm saying on purpose or really just that stupid |
| 22:52.15 | cheako | nclpport: Unfortunately this is sound card and driver specific. |
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| 22:52.25 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: He's trolling, been at it for several hours. |
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| 22:52.36 | nclpport | I'm not trolling! |
| 22:53.06 | nclpport | here we go |
| 22:53.16 | gnarface | nclpport: well then you're s.o.l. cause i can't figure out any more clear way to state the fix to your problem. by now everyone in this room knows how to work your soundcard but you |
| 22:53.29 | streuner_ | we told you already, if you using *bunt* just stay at #ubuntu |
| 22:53.37 | galaxy_999 | nclpport: trolling aside, you asked this question multiple times in #ubuntu initially also to no avail |
| 22:53.44 | nclpport | what are the red dots? What do they signify |
| 22:53.50 | cheako | nclpport: This is not part of your alsarc/conf. It has more to do with the current mixer(volume) settings. |
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| 22:54.18 | nclpport | capture is off |
| 22:54.24 | gnarface | nclpport: they signify that you've selected that channel/device for recording. typically you need two of them - a source and a channel |
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| 22:54.59 | gnarface | nclpport: and you HAVE two of them but you have to turn the volume up on the channel (line livedrive - which ever of them you have selected) |
| 22:55.01 | nclpport | I did what you said |
| 22:55.06 | Woet | Why does one server with ISCSI automatically detect the SCSI disks and mount them (/dev/sdj for example), and another one doesn't? |
| 22:55.10 | Woet | server #1 where it works: http://pastebin.com/AMRvpza3 - server #2 where it fails: http://pastebin.com/B43ci1kb |
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| 22:55.50 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: Different hardware? Different BIOS? |
| 22:55.54 | Woet | jhutchins_lt: same, same. |
| 22:56.04 | cheako | Woet: /etc/fstab? |
| 22:56.15 | nclpport | I turned down capture, turned up the livedrive with the red lights, turned off Microphone on playback... I'm hearing less sound, but it doesn't record with the microphone anymore |
| 22:56.27 | Woet | cheako: not there yet, because i'm not mounting them yet - they won't even show up on fdisk -l (on the second server) |
| 22:56.50 | stew | nclpport: since you want to record, don't turn down capture |
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| 22:57.52 | cheako | Woet: Mounting? Enumerating? I wonder what that step is called. It's conflicting with filesystem mount if you mount block devices.... Dosen't make any sense. |
| 22:58.14 | Woet | cheako: on server #1, the output to syslog is much longer and the devices show up in fdisk -l |
| 22:58.23 | Woet | cheako: on server #2, they don't show up on fdisk -l |
| 22:59.57 | cheako | Yes, IC. With no experience whatsoever. I'd say you need to reset the configuration back to factory settings and reconfigure the server htat is not working... At least that's what I'd do if it where Dell RAID controller. |
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| 23:00.07 | Woet | done that 2 times :) |
| 23:00.08 | lynx__ | aah |
| 23:00.11 | lynx__ | much better |
| 23:00.14 | Woet | dondelelcaro: go! |
| 23:00.22 | lynx__ | Anyway I tried what you said gnarface, turning off capture worked |
| 23:00.27 | lynx__ | but I couldn't record anything also |
| 23:00.45 | gnarface | lynx__: that's not what i said |
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| 23:01.04 | cheako | Woet: Check the steps you take to wipe the configuration. |
| 23:01.06 | gnarface | lynx__: and if what i DID say didn't work... ubuntu bug. |
| 23:01.08 | cheako | ...recheck |
| 23:01.19 | Woet | cheako: i've removed all open-iscsi configs, which wiped it all |
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| 23:01.36 | lynx__ | Here's what you said: Turn up Red lighted LineDrive, turn off/mute Microphone playback AND turn down capture |
| 23:01.52 | Woet | lynx__: down != off |
| 23:01.54 | gnarface | no |
| 23:01.56 | lynx__ | ok |
| 23:01.58 | gnarface | that's not what i said |
| 23:02.16 | gnarface | i said nothing about turning down capture |
| 23:02.22 | lynx__ | alright |
| 23:02.24 | lynx__ | I'll turn it back up |
| 23:02.29 | lynx__ | now it's doing the same thing again |
| 23:02.41 | gnarface | lynx__: we don't support ubuntu here |
| 23:02.48 | lynx__ | I'm not using ubuntu |
| 23:02.55 | cheako | lynx__: sounds like you are tuning the record settings and not the playback settings. |
| 23:03.03 | lynx__ | Debian |
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| 23:03.10 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:03.15 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:03.19 | Woet | dondelelcaro: why don't you set a wider ban? |
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| 23:03.30 | Woet | *!~lynx@user-38*.dialup.mindspring.com |
| 23:03.32 | Woet | or that |
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| 23:03.41 | gnarface | lol all of mindspring. we don't need em |
| 23:03.48 | galaxy_999 | it would probably be safe to ban dialup.mindspring |
| 23:03.51 | Woet | or all of dialup :) |
| 23:04.42 | cheako | At one ISP I've worked at DSL and dialup shared many common resources, including address space. |
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| 23:05.51 | cheako | ...besides with dialup about all you can do is IRC. |
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| 23:05.57 | galaxy_999 | Woet: i know lots of people still stuck on dialup. i have to ferry updates to them over sneakernet |
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| 23:06.04 | lynx`` | So |
| 23:06.13 | lynx`` | I tried even that and it doesn't work and I'm NOT using u buntu |
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| 23:06.28 | Woet | dondelelcaro: go! |
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| 23:07.01 | Woet | he's in the 38 range |
| 23:07.02 | Woet | ya |
| 23:07.25 | gnarface | no wonder he's trolling |
| 23:07.45 | gnarface | taking his dial-up rage out on us because he can't play world of warcraft |
| 23:08.01 | cheako | I've gtg. |
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| 23:13.39 | Woet | Why does one server with ISCSI automatically detect the SCSI disks and mount them (/dev/sdj for example), and another one doesn't? |
| 23:13.41 | Woet | server #1 where it works: http://pastebin.com/AMRvpza3 - server #2 where it fails: http://pastebin.com/B43ci1kb |
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| 23:14.35 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: Because there is some difference between the two servers which you have failed to discover so far. |
| 23:14.51 | Woet | jhutchins_lt: most likely. |
| 23:15.02 | Woet | i've gone through my bash_history back and forth, didn't find anything |
| 23:15.03 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: Did you install both systems? |
| 23:15.09 | dondelelcaro | Woet: do both machines detect the disks? |
| 23:15.11 | Woet | and the md5sums on the open iscsi configs match |
| 23:15.24 | Woet | dondelelcaro: server #1 detects, mounts, writes and reads the disks without an issue |
| 23:15.30 | Woet | server #2 doesn't even detect them |
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| 23:15.32 | jhutchins_lt | Some difference in udev perhaps? |
| 23:15.37 | gnarface | Woet: have you verified bios/firmware version matches (especially on the scsi cards) ? |
| 23:15.39 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: Are you sure the BIOS versions are identical? |
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| 23:15.47 | Woet | this is network ISCSI btw, using open-iscsi. |
| 23:15.55 | Woet | so no scsi cards. |
| 23:16.05 | Woet | jhutchins_lt: yes, if it would even matter for network-iscsi. |
| 23:16.48 | Woet | i can reach the SAN and scan the luns on both servers, but only server #1 actually numbers the drives (/dev/sdh, /dev/sdj, etc.) |
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| 23:18.32 | dondelelcaro | huh; I'm not really familiar enough with iSCSI to tell you anything of any use. |
| 23:18.35 | dondelelcaro | good luck |
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| 23:20.06 | lidenbrock | hi |
| 23:20.16 | lidenbrock | I need help on how to make my camera work |
| 23:20.26 | lidenbrock | I have a Microsoft Lifecam VX-1000 |
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| 23:21.22 | buhman | lidenbrock: is it that surprising that it doesn't work :P |
| 23:21.31 | lidenbrock | lol |
| 23:21.32 | lidenbrock | it's not |
| 23:21.42 | lidenbrock | but it thought it would work |
| 23:21.44 | lidenbrock | with gspca |
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| 23:24.30 | galaxy_999 | lidenbrock: 'uname -r' ? |
| 23:24.42 | chrissbx | I'm looking for a faster random binary data source than /dev/urandom, for creating dmcrypt images. |
| 23:24.57 | lidenbrock | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 23:25.23 | chrissbx | I know that probably there's a cost to proper random data generation that means urandom is "as fast as possible", but I'm willing to sacrifice a tiny little bit. |
| 23:25.28 | gnarface | chrissbx: i hear old TV tubes work great if you hook them to the serial port :-p |
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| 23:25.47 | chrissbx | I just don't want to wait a day just to fill a disk. |
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| 23:26.23 | gnarface | chrissbx: but seriously though. if urandom isn't fast enough you're probably going to have to resort to hardware random number devices |
| 23:26.45 | chrissbx | urandom is already using pseudo random number generation |
| 23:26.59 | gnarface | correct... but its software, and you only get one of them |
| 23:27.07 | chrissbx | I just need a program with a faster algorithm (and still mixes in some real random from urandom) |
| 23:27.43 | chrissbx | Do I have to write it myself? |
| 23:27.47 | Woet | chrissbx: http://serverfault.com/questions/6440/is-there-an-alternative-to-dev-urandom |
| 23:27.54 | simonlnu | real random is from /dev/random urandom is pseudo-random |
| 23:28.28 | Woet | "You should make a PRNG of your own design, and seed it with something from /dev/random or /dev/urandom" - sounds fun :) |
| 23:28.48 | chrissbx | simonlnu: yes. but I won't write a multithreaded program to avoid blocking just to avoid a layer of pseudorandom number generation on top that doesn't hurt the result |
| 23:28.55 | gnarface | chrissbx: i'd recommend you check into the Mersenne Twister algorithm. i know there are some implementations in various debian libraries (there is even a perl one) but i don't know if it will be urandom for raw throughput |
| 23:29.30 | gnarface | s/be/beat |
| 23:30.21 | galaxy_999 | lidenbrock: IIRC, i believe a fix for ms lifecams is available in the 2.6.36 release |
| 23:30.51 | buhman | lidenbrock: it might not be a bad idea to even grab the 3.0-rc1 kernel |
| 23:31.05 | lidenbrock | alright |
| 23:31.12 | lidenbrock | you're talking to a linux dummie |
| 23:31.19 | lidenbrock | can you guys tell me how to do it? |
| 23:31.22 | buhman | lidenbrock: 2.6.38 is in wheezy, so you might try that first |
| 23:31.31 | lidenbrock | ok |
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| 23:31.41 | lidenbrock | can I donwload it with the aptitude command? |
| 23:31.54 | buhman | lidenbrock: well after modifying your sources.list, yes |
| 23:32.05 | lidenbrock | humm |
| 23:32.10 | lidenbrock | alright |
| 23:32.13 | buhman | lidenbrock: have you added any custom repositories prior to now? |
| 23:32.18 | lidenbrock | nope |
| 23:32.24 | chrissbx | Thanks Woet, I guess I'll check shred |
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| 23:32.34 | lidenbrock | where do I find sources.list? |
| 23:32.41 | Woet | lidenbrock: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:33.10 | galaxy_999 | what deb release uses 2.6.32? squeeze? |
| 23:33.17 | buhman | galaxy_999: correct |
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| 23:33.46 | buhman | lidenbrock: if you'll just do "vim /etc/apt/sources.list" as root, then it will be trivial to upgrade |
| 23:33.53 | simonlnu | 3.0rc1 is, i highly doubt, backported |
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| 23:34.13 | galaxy_999 | buhman: he said linux dummie.. dont send him into vim |
| 23:34.13 | buhman | simonlnu: yes, but make-kpkg made it really easy and it's working flawlessly for me |
| 23:34.40 | buhman | simonlnu: there were some driver changes specific to my hardware and I'm pleased to say that my system is finally working 100% |
| 23:34.43 | streuner_ | for someone who asking about source.list? ;-) |
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| 23:35.16 | lidenbrock | lol |
| 23:35.18 | buhman | galaxy_999: is there some easier-to-use editor that I'm unaware of? |
| 23:35.24 | simonlnu | yes. but i wasspeaking of the debian one |
| 23:35.26 | streuner_ | there is a backport for. 38, IIRC |
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| 23:35.29 | galaxy_999 | lidenbrock: use 'nano' instead of vim. it is much friendlier for beginners |
| 23:35.31 | simonlnu | was sp* |
| 23:35.35 | gnarface | hah |
| 23:35.40 | simonlnu | lagging for some reason |
| 23:35.44 | buhman | streuner_: well, yes, we could either send him to wheezy or give him debian-backports |
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| 23:36.04 | buhman | galaxy_999: I've never used nano, so you'd have to be the one to instruct him |
| 23:36.08 | lidenbrock | alright |
| 23:36.08 | streuner_ | buhman: backports are easier, IMO |
| 23:36.15 | galaxy_999 | buhman: "easier-to-use" well, emacs naturally. :P |
| 23:36.15 | lidenbrock | galaxy_999, I've did it |
| 23:36.47 | galaxy_999 | in before the holy editor war |
| 23:36.51 | buhman | lidenbrock: what do you think you want to do? upgrade to wheezy or grab the .38 from debian-backports? |
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| 23:38.04 | lidenbrock | grad the .38 from debian-backports? |
| 23:38.18 | buhman | lidenbrock: have you opened sources.list in vim? |
| 23:38.20 | buhman | as root? |
| 23:38.33 | lidenbrock | I did it using the nano comand |
| 23:38.36 | lidenbrock | *command |
| 23:38.49 | galaxy_999 | if a newer kernel is available in backports i think that would be a solution |
| 23:39.03 | galaxy_999 | *a better solution |
| 23:39.05 | buhman | lidenbrock: well, you'd have to ask one of these nano-fanatics how to operate it |
| 23:39.16 | lidenbrock | ok |
| 23:39.20 | lidenbrock | let me do it with vim |
| 23:39.24 | gnarface | uh |
| 23:39.33 | gnarface | nano controls are printed on-screen |
| 23:39.42 | gnarface | you hardly need instruction |
| 23:39.46 | gnarface | you just need to know how to read |
| 23:39.54 | streuner_ | !bpo kernel |
| 23:39.54 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 See also <bdo kernel lenny>. |
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| 23:40.12 | buhman | lidenbrock: basically you just need to add 1 new line to the sources list |
| 23:40.16 | buhman | lidenbrock: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 23:41.32 | buhman | lidenbrock: once you save that, you'll then aptitude update |
| 23:41.46 | dvs | and install |
| 23:42.07 | buhman | lidenbrock: then I'm not sure, but "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo" should work |
| 23:42.26 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:42.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | you might need to specify its from backports (you would with apt) |
| 23:42.55 | buhman | Kamping_Kaiser: the backport's kernels are named differently |
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| 23:43.00 | buhman | Kamping_Kaiser: so that's not entirely neccessary |
| 23:43.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | buhman: oh? fair enough |
| 23:43.36 | lidenbrock | buhman |
| 23:43.40 | lidenbrock | how do I use vim? |
| 23:43.49 | lidenbrock | vim file? |
| 23:43.55 | buhman | lidenbrock: yes |
| 23:44.03 | lidenbrock | it says command not found |
| 23:44.04 | buhman | lidenbrock: "vim /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 23:44.04 | lidenbrock | =p |
| 23:44.10 | lidenbrock | with "? |
| 23:44.13 | buhman | lidenbrock: aptitude install vim |
| 23:44.17 | lidenbrock | ok |
| 23:44.36 | buhman | lidenbrock: I forgot only busybox vi is installed by default :P |
| 23:44.53 | buhman | lidenbrock: then that will work |
| 23:45.24 | buhman | lidenbrock: then you'll hit 'i' to go into insert mode, then paste that deb line from earlier. |
| 23:45.47 | buhman | lidenbrock: then hit escape and then ctrl-Z (capital Z) twice |
| 23:46.10 | buhman | lidenbrock: ";wq[enter]" is also equally valid, among others |
| 23:46.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | the default vi is built from the same source package as vim package |
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| 23:46.31 | buhman | Kamping_Kaiser: it wasn't configured the same way |
| 23:46.47 | buhman | Kamping_Kaiser: the default vi worked wierdly for me |
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| 23:47.30 | chrissbx | Hm, shouldn't creating a sparse file f, losetup, luksFormat dev, luksOpen fdev dev2, then filling dev2 with zeroes give the same safety as writing random data to f? |
| 23:47.38 | chrissbx | security |
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| 23:47.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | buhman: pretty sure it bahaves more like old school vi, rather then vim. its definitely less featureful then 'proper' vim |
| 23:48.05 | buhman | Kamping_Kaiser: indeed, yes it does |
| 23:48.05 | lidenbrock | how do i save something at vim? |
| 23:48.16 | buhman | lidenbrock: ctrl+Z-Z |
| 23:48.26 | joe6 | lidenbrock: :mksession |
| 23:48.36 | buhman | lidenbrock: well, just to save, :w works too :P |
| 23:48.38 | neuronic | lidenbrock: ":w!" |
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| 23:49.03 | lidenbrock | What do I do? |
| 23:49.07 | lidenbrock | I type that on the file? |
| 23:49.16 | buhman | lidenbrock: that deb line I pasted awhile back |
| 23:49.27 | lidenbrock | yeah, I typed the deb line |
| 23:49.29 | buhman | lidenbrock: it should be in roughly the same format as the rest of the contents of the file |
| 23:49.36 | lidenbrock | it is |
| 23:50.00 | lidenbrock | now |
| 23:50.01 | buhman | lidenbrock: so then paste it (ctrl-shift-v), esc, ctrl+Z-Z |
| 23:50.21 | buhman | lidenbrock: (you need to go in insert mode to paste) |
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| 23:50.30 | lidenbrock | ok |
| 23:50.33 | lidenbrock | done |
| 23:50.34 | lidenbrock | Now |
| 23:50.43 | lidenbrock | I press Esc |
| 23:50.44 | lidenbrock | than |
| 23:50.46 | lidenbrock | *then |
| 23:50.50 | lidenbrock | ctrl+Z-Z? |
| 23:50.52 | buhman | lidenbrock: yes |
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| 23:51.11 | buhman | lidenbrock: or :wq if you feel like being fancy |
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| 23:51.50 | lidenbrock | ok |
| 23:51.52 | lidenbrock | now |
| 23:51.57 | buhman | lidenbrock: out of vim now? |
| 23:52.00 | lidenbrock | yeah |
| 23:52.09 | buhman | lidenbrock: aptitude update |
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| 23:52.30 | buhman | linduxed: you should see some debian-backports lines in there as it refreshes the apt cache |
| 23:52.59 | buhman | lidenbrock: ^ |
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| 23:54.50 | buhman | lidenbrock: I'm sorry, I didn't mean ctrl-Z; now you're all messed up |
| 23:55.11 | buhman | lidenbrock: it's just two captial Z's (I've done it so many times now that I've forgotten what keys I'm actually pressing) |
| 23:55.12 | lidenbrock | yeah |
| 23:55.13 | lidenbrock | LOL |
| 23:55.15 | galaxy_999 | easier to use they said... |
| 23:55.21 | buhman | lidenbrock: do "fg" |
| 23:55.27 | buhman | lidenbrock: vim will come back up |
| 23:55.38 | buhman | lidenbrock: then esc, and two capital Z's |
| 23:55.50 | lidenbrock | fg? |
| 23:55.53 | buhman | lidenbrock: yes |
| 23:55.55 | lidenbrock | what's that? |
| 23:56.00 | buhman | lidenbrock: ForeGround |
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| 23:56.08 | buhman | lidenbrock: ctrl-z paused vim |
| 23:56.09 | webad13 | does anyone know of command line .xlsx to csv converter? or a website that does not use js or flash to do that |
| 23:56.17 | buhman | lidenbrock: so fg brings it back up |
| 23:56.25 | lidenbrock | ok |
| 23:56.29 | lidenbrock | so |
| 23:56.30 | lidenbrock | ? |
| 23:56.34 | buhman | lidenbrock: vim's back up, right? |
| 23:56.38 | lidenbrock | yes |
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| 23:56.53 | lidenbrock | I put the line you said |
| 23:56.54 | lidenbrock | now |
| 23:56.54 | buhman | lidenbrock: esc, two captial Z's (without the ctrl, sorry) |
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| 23:57.22 | buhman | lidenbrock: then if you cat /etc/apt/sources.list you should see your line in there |
| 23:57.37 | lidenbrock | XD |
| 23:57.39 | lidenbrock | now it's done |
| 23:57.49 | buhman | lidenbrock: I'm terribly sorry for the confusion there |
| 23:57.57 | lidenbrock | my friend |
| 23:57.58 | lidenbrock | relax |
| 23:58.05 | lidenbrock | you really helped |
| 23:58.08 | lidenbrock | I'm so noob |
| 23:58.12 | lidenbrock | LOL |
| 23:58.29 | lidenbrock | I still need to make my webcam work |
| 23:58.30 | babilen | ZZ? ":wq" ! |
| 23:58.32 | buhman | lidenbrock: aptitude update |
| 23:58.35 | buhman | babilen: same thing |
| 23:58.36 | lidenbrock | done |
| 23:58.52 | babilen | buhman: sure, but *much* easier to remember (write, quite) |
| 23:58.59 | neuronic | ! |
| 23:59.06 | babilen | quit that is :) |
| 23:59.16 | buhman | babilen: yes, but ZZ is more ergonomic, methinks |
| 23:59.20 | babilen | anyway |
| 23:59.25 | lidenbrock | buhman |
| 23:59.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | ZZ and ZQ ftw |
| 23:59.31 | lidenbrock | I did it |
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