| 00:00.05 | buhman | lidenbrock: ok, see if "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo" pulls in the right kernel |
| 00:00.14 | buhman | lidenbrock: if that's the wrong name it'll just not select anything |
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| 00:01.02 | babilen | that would be "linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686" or "linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64" (depending on the architecture in use) |
| 00:01.05 | lidenbrock | i didn't find it |
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| 00:01.19 | babilen | lidenbrock: Which architecture do you use? |
| 00:01.21 | buhman | lidenbrock: yeah, do apt-cache search linux image and pastebin |
| 00:01.25 | buhman | lidenbrock: or that |
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| 00:03.38 | dvs | lidenbrock: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 00:04.02 | buhman | lidenbrock: yes, I like that one ^ |
| 00:04.17 | lidenbrock | done |
| 00:04.35 | dvs | reboot |
| 00:04.36 | buhman | lidenbrock: then you'll probably want to reboot |
| 00:04.44 | babilen | lidenbrock: Ok, once you remember the architecture: Make sure you run "aptitude -t squeeze-backports PKG" -- replace PKG with the package you want. The "-t squeeze-backports" tells aptitude to install packages not from the normal (i.e. squeeze) repositories bur from backports. |
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| 00:05.18 | lidenbrock | ok |
| 00:05.21 | buhman | babilen: can't you pin backports? |
| 00:05.34 | lidenbrock | brb |
| 00:05.38 | buhman | babilen: or would that even be an intelligent thing to do on squeeze? |
| 00:05.38 | lidenbrock | I goin' to reboot |
| 00:05.41 | babilen | buhman: sure, what do you have in mind with that? |
| 00:06.03 | buhman | babilen: well, that way if you just did an aptitude upgrade, the new kernel would be pulled in, right? |
| 00:06.53 | babilen | buhman: It is very much recommended to pin backports to a higher priority, say, 200 so you get updates. Yes (IIRC covered in the instructions on backports.debian.org) |
| 00:07.00 | streuner_ | buhman: i think there comes lots of depends then too, not sure. |
| 00:07.30 | babilen | buhman: I wouldn't pin it higher than the default release (i.e. squeeze) though. |
| 00:07.32 | buhman | babilen: the instructions say only to do that on lenny |
| 00:07.48 | buhman | babilen: I was thinking like pinning to 1001 or something like that |
| 00:08.06 | babilen | ah, right ... |
| 00:08.14 | babilen | buhman: No, don't do that. |
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| 00:08.16 | buhman | babilen: ok |
| 00:09.04 | streuner_ | babilen: pinning? ;-) |
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| 00:12.47 | lidenbrock | I'm back |
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| 00:13.16 | dvs | ahh! |
| 00:13.27 | dvs | runs |
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| 00:14.09 | buhman | lidenbrock: on .38? |
| 00:14.21 | buhman | lidenbrock: does your camera magically work now? |
| 00:15.08 | lidenbrock | uname -r, u mean? |
| 00:15.15 | streuner_ | it would be magic, of course, because wihtout any evidence or other facts |
| 00:15.23 | buhman | lidenbrock: that would work |
| 00:15.47 | lidenbrock | damn |
| 00:15.49 | lidenbrock | still 32 |
| 00:15.49 | streuner_ | (but, it was a good lesson to install a new kernel) |
| 00:15.50 | lidenbrock | --' |
| 00:15.57 | buhman | lidenbrock: umm update-grub |
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| 00:16.08 | buhman | lidenbrock: you should see .38 in there somewhere |
| 00:16.25 | lidenbrock | no |
| 00:16.26 | lidenbrock | :( |
| 00:16.32 | streuner_ | no? |
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| 00:16.52 | buhman | umm paste /etc/apt/sources.list (to paste.pocoo.org) |
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| 00:17.03 | streuner_ | lidenbrock: what does "dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2.6.38" say? |
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| 00:17.25 | lidenbrock | nothing |
| 00:17.42 | babilen | lidenbrock: Which architecture are you on and which of the both packages I mentioned earlier did you install? |
| 00:17.42 | lidenbrock | :p |
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| 00:17.59 | lidenbrock | 2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 |
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| 00:18.15 | babilen | ui, openvz |
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| 00:18.32 | streuner_ | DOH |
| 00:19.39 | lidenbrock | haheiuahueiae |
| 00:19.41 | lidenbrock | ui ? |
| 00:19.45 | streuner_ | so you are unable to install a new Kernel at all? |
| 00:19.45 | babilen | lidenbrock: Ok, don't install 2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64, but run "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64" |
| 00:20.13 | babilen | lidenbrock: Or is that the kernel you are currently on? Are you running in an openvz container? |
| 00:20.14 | dvs | I thought he installed linux-image-amd64 |
| 00:20.24 | babilen | dvs: That package is not in bdo AFAICT |
| 00:20.25 | lidenbrock | i typed uname -r |
| 00:20.37 | lidenbrock | so I appeared openvz |
| 00:20.39 | babilen | Ok, no openvz package in bdo |
| 00:20.53 | lidenbrock | may i type aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 00:20.55 | lidenbrock | ? |
| 00:20.55 | babilen | lidenbrock: What kind of box is this? |
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| 00:21.08 | Woet | lidenbrock: what is the output of: cat /proc/user_beancounters |
| 00:21.18 | Woet | www.pastebin.com please |
| 00:21.40 | babilen | lidenbrock: Are you using openvz? |
| 00:21.45 | lidenbrock | I am |
| 00:21.50 | buhman | lidenbrock: why? |
| 00:22.09 | babilen | ok, no openvz kernel in bdo and openvz is deprecated anyway. Why do you use it? |
| 00:22.29 | lidenbrock | because it is my first use of linux |
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| 00:22.39 | lidenbrock | which means |
| 00:22.42 | lidenbrock | I'm a noob at it |
| 00:22.52 | lidenbrock | now, please, |
| 00:22.55 | lidenbrock | help me change it |
| 00:23.03 | lidenbrock | may i type aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 00:23.03 | lidenbrock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.10 | buhman | yes |
| 00:23.19 | flamingspinach | what's up with DEHS? |
| 00:23.20 | babilen | lidenbrock: Is this a normal installation? You just decided to install the openvz kernel? |
| 00:23.20 | neuronic | why the bpo ? |
| 00:23.24 | neuronic | dont get it |
| 00:23.33 | flamingspinach | none of the reports contain any packages... |
| 00:23.41 | flamingspinach | ( http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/ ) |
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| 00:24.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | flamingspinach: try #alioth on oftc |
| 00:24.13 | flamingspinach | Kamping_Kaiser: ok |
| 00:24.13 | streuner_ | neuronic: he want a cam working and want try a newer kernel .38 without any evidence that .38 may work |
| 00:24.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | flamingspinach: esp the titanpad liknk in the subject |
| 00:24.18 | babilen | lidenbrock: what are we trying to solve anyway? |
| 00:24.29 | lidenbrock | the problem with my cam |
| 00:24.32 | babilen | streuner_: Ah! |
| 00:24.34 | buhman | streuner_: somebody said that there were fixes starting in .36 |
| 00:24.36 | neuronic | streuner_: i see |
| 00:24.57 | babilen | lidenbrock: Ok, why do you have a openvz kernel? did you install it? Did somebody else install this system for you? |
| 00:25.08 | lidenbrock | I installed it |
| 00:25.11 | lidenbrock | by mistake |
| 00:25.12 | lidenbrock | on my own |
| 00:25.18 | cheako | Back. |
| 00:25.34 | babilen | ok, no problem. Just install the kernel from backports and reboot. You can remove the openvz kernel package afterwards. |
| 00:25.41 | lidenbrock | k |
| 00:25.42 | lidenbrock | brb |
| 00:25.44 | lidenbrock | reboot |
| 00:26.06 | babilen | What is the camera? (usbid?) |
| 00:26.19 | streuner_ | nobody knows... |
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| 00:26.37 | simonlnu | he said something about gspca |
| 00:26.38 | NuclearMeltdown | How do I install gtk1? |
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| 00:26.48 | lindenle | What do i use for Architecture in a control file on an x86_64 system (as reported by uname -i)? |
| 00:27.00 | streuner_ | yes, gspca should support it, he said |
| 00:27.04 | simonlnu | amd64 |
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| 00:27.18 | babilen | NuclearMeltdown: Essentially: You don't |
| 00:27.43 | simonlnu | gtk1? update your app... |
| 00:28.32 | buhman | babilen: he said microsoft lifecam vx-1000 |
| 00:28.48 | simonlnu | wtfe that is |
| 00:29.02 | streuner_ | wtfe? |
| 00:29.04 | babilen | The usb id would be helpful (lsusb) so we can check the HCLs |
| 00:29.06 | buhman | babilen: and somebody said that there were lifecam fixes in .36 |
| 00:29.23 | babilen | Ok, I guess we'll see. |
| 00:29.32 | NuclearMeltdown | simonlnu, there are some programs which are written for GTK 1 ... |
| 00:29.38 | simonlnu | most of the gspca devices were fixed in .36 |
| 00:29.39 | NuclearMeltdown | You don't seriously mean that |
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| 00:29.48 | NuclearMeltdown | On Windows I can run things made for windows 3.1 |
| 00:29.56 | NuclearMeltdown | There is no update for the app |
| 00:30.00 | simonlnu | they seriously need updating. yes i mean that. |
| 00:30.08 | NuclearMeltdown | So do I have to build it from source to get gtk1? |
| 00:30.09 | buhman | NuclearMeltdown: no you can't |
| 00:30.10 | babilen | seconded |
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| 00:30.19 | simonlnu | you can't. exactly. |
| 00:30.41 | buhman | NuclearMeltdown: hadn't microsoft attempted to make at least windows vista as backward-incompatible as possible? |
| 00:30.43 | NuclearMeltdown | I didn't know about this when I decided to try out debian :/ |
| 00:30.48 | babilen | NuclearMeltdown: Which application is this? Why do you want to use something that hasn't been maintained for years? (obviously) -- Are there no alternatives? |
| 00:30.58 | NuclearMeltdown | Unreal tournament 2004 |
| 00:31.03 | NuclearMeltdown | the installer is gtk1 |
| 00:31.06 | buhman | NuclearMeltdown: I had thought that starting with kernel 5.2 that they removed the 16-bit subsystem (and therefore 3.1 support) |
| 00:31.20 | NuclearMeltdown | Well on XP you still can |
| 00:31.29 | buhman | NuclearMeltdown: that's not what I said :) |
| 00:31.39 | NuclearMeltdown | I've never used Vista |
| 00:31.58 | streuner_ | you are lucky then :-P |
| 00:32.03 | buhman | NuclearMeltdown: and most poorly written 3.1 applications won't work on xp either |
| 00:32.03 | babilen | I think discussing Windows is neither on-topic here, nor helpful in resolving the issue. |
| 00:32.07 | NuclearMeltdown | Is there a reason why gtk1 which is a very important library to some older software does not exist for Debian? |
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| 00:32.21 | buhman | NuclearMeltdown: xp has 3.1-specific workarounds builtin that were subsequently removed |
| 00:32.28 | NuclearMeltdown | 32 bit software from Windows 95 days still runs on all windows :) |
| 00:32.32 | buhman | NuclearMeltdown: especially for those 16 bit installers |
| 00:33.02 | NuclearMeltdown | I had no idea GTK1 didn't exist |
| 00:33.08 | NuclearMeltdown | I should have stuck with Gentoo or something |
| 00:33.16 | NuclearMeltdown | I'll go to ##linux to talk about distros :) |
| 00:33.18 | babilen | NuclearMeltdown: It is like 12 years old? |
| 00:34.06 | buhman | you know, iateadonut, just because you logged in I'm kinda feeling heading down to krispykreme right now... |
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| 00:34.44 | lidenbrock | now, it worked |
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| 00:35.09 | streuner_ | lidenbrock: in case of the cam, just say thanks to buhman :-) |
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| 00:35.19 | dvs | lidenbrock: now remove the other kernel. |
| 00:35.32 | lidenbrock | k |
| 00:35.35 | lidenbrock | hey |
| 00:35.44 | lidenbrock | my can is working on cheese |
| 00:35.46 | lidenbrock | but not on skype |
| 00:35.49 | lidenbrock | *cam |
| 00:35.52 | streuner_ | lol |
| 00:35.52 | lidenbrock | I mean cam |
| 00:35.57 | lidenbrock | LOL |
| 00:36.01 | dvs | LOL!!! |
| 00:36.03 | lidenbrock | butman: thanks for everything |
| 00:36.10 | lidenbrock | buhman: |
| 00:36.12 | lidenbrock | i mean |
| 00:36.13 | lidenbrock | lo |
| 00:36.14 | lidenbrock | *lol |
| 00:36.16 | babilen | !enter |
| 00:36.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:36.35 | lidenbrock | sry |
| 00:36.43 | streuner_ | babilen: it was just a joke :-) |
| 00:36.49 | babilen | lidenbrock: (especially to warn about the autokick part) |
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| 00:36.59 | lidenbrock | no problem. |
| 00:37.05 | buhman | lidenbrock: you're welcome |
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| 00:37.27 | streuner_ | !buhman++ |
| 00:37.38 | galaxy_999 | lidenbrock: does the vx-1000 have a built in microphone? |
| 00:37.46 | lidenbrock | yeah |
| 00:37.48 | streuner_ | (but dont let me say any comment about spoonfeeding) :-) |
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| 00:38.00 | galaxy_999 | lidenbrock: and it works now too? |
| 00:38.06 | lidenbrock | let me c |
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| 00:38.13 | iateadonut | i work at this office, and it seems just because of my email address, the boss lady buys donuts like at least once a week now. |
| 00:38.15 | buhman | lidenbrock: if you look in the skype configuration, you should be able to configure both the camera and the builtin mic |
| 00:38.15 | astrokatie | When I do an aptitude search using more than one search term, it seems to return all results that fit at least one of the terms. Is it possible to have it only return results that fit *all* of the search terms? |
| 00:38.25 | buhman | lidenbrock: skype is a terrible program anyway |
| 00:38.41 | streuner_ | and more evil too :-) |
| 00:38.48 | galaxy_999 | buhman: and its about to get worse now that microsoft owns it |
| 00:38.49 | iateadonut | (at least that's what i surmise from one of the others who tell me they didn't used to always get doughnuts, buhman ) |
| 00:38.53 | streuner_ | after MS bought it :-) |
| 00:39.01 | lidenbrock | weird |
| 00:39.09 | galaxy_999 | lidenbrock: what? |
| 00:39.09 | babilen | astrokatie: example? "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" will, for exmaple, only return installed packages whose names start with "linux-image" |
| 00:39.12 | lidenbrock | the microphone of the camera |
| 00:39.25 | lidenbrock | it works, but the camera cannot pickup my image at skype |
| 00:39.33 | lidenbrock | if i type lsusb |
| 00:39.42 | buhman | lidenbrock: skype is probably configured wrong |
| 00:39.58 | buhman | lidenbrock: usually you just need to select your hardware in the preferences |
| 00:40.05 | lidenbrock | my skype is not founding my camera at /dev/video0 |
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| 00:40.09 | astrokatie | I want to do a search for Java IDEs. When I type "aptitude search java ide" I get anything that contains either java or ide |
| 00:40.13 | simonlnu | finding |
| 00:40.20 | lidenbrock | yeah |
| 00:40.24 | lidenbrock | ty |
| 00:40.24 | astrokatie | instead of only results that contain both |
| 00:40.35 | streuner_ | lidenbrock: we dont support skype here, pleast respect that |
| 00:40.49 | lidenbrock | k |
| 00:40.49 | streuner_ | s/pleast/please/ |
| 00:40.59 | streuner_ | !skype |
| 00:41.00 | buhman | lidenbrock: you'd think programs like skype would let you use any arbitrary device for video input.... |
| 00:41.00 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 00:41.42 | buhman | lidenbrock: I would change protocols alltogether |
| 00:41.49 | lidenbrock | hmm |
| 00:41.49 | ManTheStan | yo yo yo! |
| 00:41.51 | lidenbrock | how? |
| 00:41.59 | tuxuser | anyboy advanced with kernel compiling with make-kpkg, my problem is: the normal make-kpkg process always includes the vmlinux stored at $BUILDDIR/vmlinux .. but I would like to store the kernel which is located at $BUILDDIR/arch/powerpc/zImage.xenon (which is obviously a custom image) in the deb package |
| 00:42.05 | tuxuser | unsure how to accomplish that |
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| 00:44.48 | ManTheStan | Hello, everyone. Do you like killing pets? |
| 00:44.48 | ManTheStan | No. Only creepy people like doing that. |
| 00:44.48 | ManTheStan | So you should help save pets worldwide and join the SLF, or Save Lloyd Foundation. |
| 00:44.48 | ManTheStan | Fighting off Lloyd starvation worldwide. |
| 00:44.48 | ManTheStan | Every click helps, folks. http://squiby.net/level/6644802 |
| 00:44.48 | *** kick/#debian [ManTheStan!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste) |
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| 00:45.15 | ManTheStan | Hello, everyone. Do you like killing pets? |
| 00:45.18 | ManTheStan | No. Only creepy people like doing that. |
| 00:45.22 | streuner_ | omg, someone should !ops ManTheStan... |
| 00:45.22 | ManTheStan | So you should help save pets worldwide and join the SLF, or Save Lloyd Foundation. |
| 00:45.29 | dvs | !ops spamming |
| 00:45.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dvs complains about: spamming |
| 00:45.31 | ManTheStan | Fighting off Lloyd starvation worldwide. |
| 00:45.36 | streuner_ | dvs: thanks |
| 00:45.40 | ManTheStan | Every click helps, folks. http://squiby.net/level/6644802 |
| 00:45.43 | *** mode/#debian [+o Hydroxide] by ChanServ |
| 00:45.44 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@184.53.118.47] by Hydroxide |
| 00:45.44 | *** kick/#debian [ManTheStan!jimmy@lopsa/board/debian.developer.jimmy] by Hydroxide (you should know better) |
| 00:45.44 | *** mode/#debian [-o Hydroxide] by Hydroxide |
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| 00:45.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Hydroxide: thanks |
| 00:45.57 | dvs | phew. thanks |
| 00:46.01 | Hydroxide | np |
| 00:46.10 | galaxy_999 | astrokatie: try 'apt-cache search' |
| 00:47.00 | babilen | astrokatie: Ah, you said something. Yes, either use "apt-cache search java ide" or "aptitude search ~djava~dide" |
| 00:47.22 | astrokatie | ah, thank you both very much :) |
| 00:47.22 | ectospasm | in urxvt I'm using the perl module "tabbed", specified in .Xdefaults. I have this: URxvt.keysym.Shift-Control-T: perl:tabbed:new_tab |
| 00:47.29 | ectospasm | oops |
| 00:47.35 | ectospasm | ...but it doesn't work |
| 00:47.55 | ectospasm | Similar keysyms seem to work OK, so I don't know why new tabs aren't being created. |
| 00:47.55 | babilen | astrokatie: Or 'aptitude search ~d"java ide"' if that is what you want |
| 00:48.39 | astrokatie | "aptitude search ~djava~dide" still returns all results which contain either of them |
| 00:48.45 | astrokatie | I only want results which contain *both* |
| 00:49.03 | babilen | astrokatie: The first aptitude command will match all packages that contain "java" and "ide" anywhere in the description, and the second onely those that contain exactly "java ide" |
| 00:50.05 | astrokatie | "apt-cache search java ide" also seems to return everything that contains *either* of them |
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| 00:50.59 | astrokatie | in any case, I've decided to just get Eclipse. But in the future when I want to search through packages... there must be a way to search for *both* of two search terms and not *either* of them, is there not? |
| 00:51.00 | lidenbrock | buhman: how do I delete my .32 version? |
| 00:51.35 | dvs | lidenbrock: you want to delete the openvm version |
| 00:51.46 | lidenbrock | yes |
| 00:52.14 | dvs | lidenbrock: aptitude remove linux-image... (whatever the version is)\ |
| 00:52.21 | dvs | I'd keep the old .32 version |
| 00:52.28 | lidenbrock | y? |
| 00:52.30 | nevyn | astrokatie: I am lame and use apt-cache search foo |grep bar a lot |
| 00:52.36 | streuner_ | yes, a working kernel isnt wrong... |
| 00:52.39 | nevyn | astrokatie: but I'm sure there's a better way |
| 00:53.00 | buhman | lidenbrock: even I still have my old .38 version while I run 3.0-rc1; just in case I find something I don't like in 3.0 I can always go back |
| 00:53.08 | streuner_ | gone |
| 00:53.16 | babilen | astrokatie: As in: aptitude search '~djava~d" ide " -- ? |
| 00:53.27 | babilen | astrokatie: As in: aptitude search '~djava~d" ide "' -- ? |
| 00:54.34 | babilen | astrokatie: Both *are* matched, you just didn't consider, say, "inside" a valid match for "ide" (although it is a substring) |
| 00:54.47 | astrokatie | babilen, I think you're right |
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| 00:54.55 | astrokatie | though I've noticed another problem... |
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| 00:55.14 | astrokatie | wait |
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| 00:55.27 | astrokatie | ahh, kay |
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| 00:56.08 | dvs | uh oh |
| 00:56.33 | Hydroxide | dvs: he apologized and said he isn't going to misuse the channel. I'll give him the one chance to respect the rules. |
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| 00:57.06 | ManTheStan | Thank you for unbanning me, Hydroxide. And everyone else, I am sorry for being quite on the spontaneous side. I will not be like this again. I promise! |
| 00:57.08 | ManTheStan | By the way, can you talk about Debian derivatives like Ubuntu? |
| 00:57.23 | dvs | nope |
| 00:57.35 | Hydroxide | ManTheStan: no. they're too different to support here - each distro has different problems, including Debian and Ubuntu |
| 00:57.47 | Hydroxide | though #ubuntu is easily accessible on this network if you need help with that. |
| 00:57.49 | babilen | astrokatie: You might be interested in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/index.html (search pattern) or http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html (if no aptitude-doc is isntalled) |
| 00:58.32 | astrokatie | Thank you, babilen |
| 00:59.14 | ManTheStan | Different to support. But you say that this channel is about Debian. Ubuntu is a Debian derivative, so why should I not be able to get Ubuntu support here as well? This confuses me. |
| 00:59.52 | Hydroxide | ManTheStan: historically speaking, the US is a derivative of England. Why does being a US citizen not entitle me to live in England? same reason. |
| 00:59.56 | syockit | Can aptitude start with two views? |
| 01:00.03 | babilen | astrokatie: All that being said: You should also look into debtags and apt-cache search is good for fast incomplicated searches (it searches also the descriptions, aptitude "only" search packagenames by default) |
| 01:00.09 | Hydroxide | common origin, lots of differences. |
| 01:00.22 | astrokatie | okay |
| 01:00.33 | ManTheStan | Oh, I understand now. I will be heading over to #ubuntu. Thank you, Hydroxide. |
| 01:00.36 | Hydroxide | np. |
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| 01:01.07 | Hydroxide | I should remember that example for future inquiries. I"m glad I came up with it :) |
| 01:01.31 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 01:01.37 | dvs | never knew Debian is British. ;-) |
| 01:01.45 | Hydroxide | dvs: haha |
| 01:01.55 | dvs | hem hem |
| 01:02.05 | Hydroxide | dvs: technically speaking, we've had DebConf in the US but not yet England. (we have had one in Scotland though.) |
| 01:02.13 | Hydroxide | (so I guess that's Britain too.) |
| 01:02.15 | babilen | astrokatie: debtags search "devel::lang:java && devel::ide" (for example) |
| 01:02.28 | ManTheStan | That comment was not Debian-oriented. Why is he not banned and kicked? :( |
| 01:02.28 | syockit | oh, I didn't know about /usr/share/aptitude/aptitude-defaults. Time to make a ~/.aptitude/config! |
| 01:03.05 | dvs | ManTheStan: Because it didn't take several lines filling up everyone's chat screen. |
| 01:03.15 | Hydroxide | ManTheStan: we're actually still talking about Debian. DebConf is the annual Debian developer's conference. Also what dvs said. |
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| 01:03.34 | ManTheStan | I was referring to (08:02:22 PM) dvs: hem hem. |
| 01:03.55 | astrokatie | babilen: I like that one a lot. I just installed debtags, and I'll have to read up more on it |
| 01:04.01 | ManTheStan | And what if my lines about Lloyd were shortened to one line? |
| 01:04.09 | ManTheStan | it could be like this |
| 01:04.20 | ManTheStan | Save Lloyd! http://squiby.net/level/6644802 |
| 01:04.24 | ManTheStan | that's one line, is it not? |
| 01:04.32 | ManTheStan | Oh, I'm sorry. I'm doing it again. I'll stop. Sorry! |
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| 01:04.39 | babilen | astrokatie: Yeah, I thought that you are going to like it. Note that not all packages are completely tagged and help is (just like everywhere else) welcome. |
| 01:04.42 | streuner_ | haha |
| 01:04.43 | Hydroxide | not going to allow him back this time |
| 01:05.32 | astrokatie | thanks for letting me know |
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| 01:07.08 | streuner_ | Hydroxide: to say sorry is sometimes for some people very easy, too easy |
| 01:07.19 | dvs | hides |
| 01:08.52 | streuner_ | experiences that in his last stay in a hotel room, they opened the door twice (with sorry), but they didnt give a damn about the whole situation... |
| 01:09.12 | Hydroxide | streuner_: yup. his latest /msg had a bit of passive-aggressive stuff too. anyway I'm not going to unban him again. |
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| 01:10.09 | Hydroxide | and I just told #freenode in case he bugs other channels. now, back to Debian topics :) |
| 01:12.10 | chrissbx | Hu, I forgot in which package I can find the standard posix api manpages, and can't seem to find me, anyone feels like giving me a hand? |
| 01:12.17 | chrissbx | like man 2 write |
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| 01:12.58 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: manpages-dev |
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| 01:13.44 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: or if you want the official POSIX® manpages, those are in manpages-posix in the non-free archive. manpages-dev has the linux ones, understandably. |
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| 01:13.56 | dvs | Oh. That's so weird. I just pushed the KDE pointer into the top-left corner of the screen! Weird! |
| 01:14.08 | Hydroxide | chrissbx: or, manpages-posix-dev for the development-related POSIX® man pages. |
| 01:14.40 | chrissbx | Thanks Hydroxide! (I was trying manpages-posix, linux-manual, but missed manpages-dev) |
| 01:14.50 | Hydroxide | np. |
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| 01:15.53 | Edisto | is there a benefit to running debian over ubuntu or linuxmint? |
| 01:16.08 | streuner_ | Edisto: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 01:17.24 | Edisto | yeah was looking for more along the lines that since ubntu and mint are debian based systems... is there anything that debian can do that they can't? |
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| 01:17.59 | dvs | Edisto: What do you need your distro for? |
| 01:18.38 | Edisto | gonan be doing operating systems programming, python, django, opengl stuff of that nature |
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| 01:18.57 | streuner_ | well, most of devels just use Debian |
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| 01:19.19 | streuner_ | because Debian is just easy for them |
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| 01:22.06 | babilen | Edisto: All of them are probably perfectly fine. I think #debian agrees with me that Debian is a good choice. You might, however, have the urge to run something a little newer. Various possibilities (official backports, self created backports, local installations, running testing/sid, ...) exist all with they pros and cons. Give it a try, we can help you with problems. Ah, yes. You'll also get support in here instead of #ubuntu |
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| 01:24.14 | Edisto | i see... i see it comes pre packaged with alot more than ubuntu and mint. Since it is the original I can design anything on debian and it will run for buntu and mint right? |
| 01:24.33 | Edisto | i see = i saw |
| 01:24.45 | simonlnu | it'll run anywhere - depending |
| 01:25.55 | Edisto | gotcha thanks guys |
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| 01:27.18 | babilen | Edisto: That is very hard to generalise? Do you develop against specific library versions? Are they backwards compatible? Are newer version available in all of them? There is no single answer. I never regretted my choice of Debian as a development platform and would strongly recommend to try it as well as the alternatives. Make up your own mind and find what suits you best. |
| 01:27.20 | karlpinc_ | Edisto: (FWIW the folks over in #python recommened werkzug or pylons over django, and that made sense to me.) |
| 01:27.36 | babilen | karlpinc_: ugh, don't get me started |
| 01:28.10 | simonlnu | karlpinc_: that's almost the equivalent of choice of editor war |
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| 01:28.14 | karlpinc_ | Edisto: Debian is upstream, which makes it easy to push downstream. But then I've never done it.) |
| 01:28.45 | karlpinc_ | simonlnu: I have a django comment but will save it for #debian-offtopic if anyone cares. |
| 01:28.54 | babilen | Edisto: And yes, talk to #python about djando .. there are a bunch of web frameworks and django is big and cludgy (also the ORM is vastly inferior to sqlalchemy) -- But that is off-topic here. â #python |
| 01:29.02 | simonlnu | i'm there ;) |
| 01:29.18 | simonlnu | (both chans) |
| 01:30.19 | roothorick | I can't decide between Ubuntu Server and Debian for my headless doitall. Someone convince me. |
| 01:30.48 | simonlnu | debian. the original. |
| 01:31.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | is it my imagination, or have we seen that questiona lot today |
| 01:32.28 | roothorick | simonlnu: that's not very convincing ;) |
| 01:32.59 | streuner_ | roothorick: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 01:33.04 | streuner_ | maybe that helps :-) |
| 01:34.06 | karlpinc_ | roothorick: I don't use ubuntu so it's hard to say. The longer term support looks nice, but I feel a lot more comfortable with Debian's philosphy, the practical implications of which mean that I have no hidden vendor lock-in or migration gotcha's should I decide to switch off Debian someday. |
| 01:34.40 | roothorick | I dunno, there's a certain amount of lock-in to every OS I think |
| 01:34.46 | Bushmills | roothorick: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/rulesuck.png |
| 01:34.58 | roothorick | obviously most of the Linux distros are pretty interchangeable in that respect |
| 01:35.02 | babilen | roothorick: If you don't need Ubuntu's LTS support I would *definitely* go with Debian. And even if it is just that you can rely on the Debian community to help with your problems. (i.e. users, developers, admins on IRC, mailing lists, bug tracker, everywhere else) |
| 01:35.20 | roothorick | but, for instance, FreeBSD is right out for me due to my familiarity with iptables and iproute2/tc |
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| 01:35.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bushmills: heh |
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| 01:36.35 | babilen | roothorick: But asking this question in #debian will get you biased answers. What is important for you? Do you, for example, care about supported and working upgrade paths between releases? |
| 01:36.44 | roothorick | babilen: I'm using Ubuntu on my user-facing machines, so putting the server on Ubuntu too would make things 100% homogenous, i.e. I only have to learn one distro's quirks |
| 01:36.46 | karlpinc_ | roothorick: Not at all. Go with something like, say, mint, and be prepaired for suprises when you find that there's no driver available when you switch to something else. |
| 01:37.39 | karlpinc_ | roothorick: Not all distros are lock-in free in other words. Novell's corporate philosophy was "mixed source". Sell you on the open stuff and lock you in with the add-ons. |
| 01:39.05 | rutski | Is it possible to get modprobe to look in /usr/local/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686 |
| 01:39.08 | karlpinc_ | roothorick: We can't convince you until we know what matters. And Debian may not be the right choice. |
| 01:39.14 | rutski | instead of just in the usual /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686 |
| 01:39.33 | rutski | I have custom .ko's installed into /usr/local/lib/modules, and I don't want to have to pollute the system's /lib/modules with them |
| 01:39.45 | karlpinc_ | rutski: You could probably put symlinks into /lib/modules... |
| 01:39.55 | rutski | yup, that would definitely work |
| 01:40.01 | babilen | roothorick: I would personally always choose Debian in particular for servers. But I can understand your argument. On the other hand, you'll have access to a lot of the package maintainers in the Debian community and their help when something goes "boink". |
| 01:40.02 | rutski | just hoping there is a search-path config for modprobe |
| 01:40.07 | rutski | can't imagine why there wouldn't be |
| 01:40.24 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Otherwise, I don't know and don't know enough to give good answers. You might look in the kernel docs. |
| 01:40.31 | roothorick | karlpinc_: yeah, that's kinda the problem. What I want is a reliable set-and-forget I can customize to add anything else I'd want to... and I feel like neither distro offers something over the other in that respect |
| 01:40.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | rutski: man page says -d |
| 01:40.51 | rutski | doh |
| 01:40.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | rutski: is that what you are ater? |
| 01:40.56 | rutski | how did I not see that, sorry |
| 01:41.08 | babilen | roothorick: Well, Debian stable is that -- remarkably stable (in the Debian sense -- /msg dpkg stable) |
| 01:41.19 | rutski | I kept doing a search for the word "directory" in the man page, which didn't come up since it's called just "dir" |
| 01:41.20 | rutski | thanks :) |
| 01:41.23 | karlpinc_ | !tell rutski about kernel parameters |
| 01:41.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | rutski: np :) |
| 01:42.12 | karlpinc_ | roothorick: Since you're new to debian..... |
| 01:42.16 | roothorick | babilen: hahah, in stark contrast to Gentoo which is what's on it now. Its current software setup is an artifact of a bygone life... |
| 01:42.19 | karlpinc_ | !tell roothorick about overview |
| 01:42.35 | rutski | karlpinc_: not seeing anything about kernel params there |
| 01:42.45 | ectospasm | one thing I've noticed: #rxvt-unicode is rather silent |
| 01:42.46 | rutski | I mean, not seeing anything about module search paths there in the kernel params |
| 01:42.59 | babilen | roothorick: And for me it would just feel wrong to put Ubuntu on a server, but that is probably also due to my lack of knowledge with this new kid on the block. I guess that both are not a bad decision, but I would recommend Debian. |
| 01:43.04 | babilen | roothorick: Heh :) |
| 01:43.08 | karlpinc_ | rutski: You need to install linux-doc (with probably a version number in there). |
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| 01:43.20 | rutski | ah, interesting |
| 01:43.42 | karlpinc_ | rutski: Oh. Well I'm just guessing about lookin there. modprobe is probably the "right way". |
| 01:43.55 | karlpinc_ | rutski: (Or it's config.) |
| 01:44.04 | rutski | well, not quite sure about that; the /etc/modules list for example won't have the -d option |
| 01:44.06 | roothorick | I did notice the stuck UbServ used about 120MB more RAM than stock Deb without the GUI option. But really, if I'm quibbling over 100MB, my server doesn't have enough RAM and I should rectify that, I think |
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| 01:44.42 | ectospasm | I have some minor problems with urxvt and a perl extension. I'm using some clipboard code here: http://pastebin.ca/2073934, and selection into the primary buffer works, but even though the event is registered when I hit my keysym, nothing happens and the clipboard buffer isn't populated correctly. |
| 01:44.52 | karlpinc_ | roothorick: Debian seems to want to leave all your choices open. I can't say about Ubuntu. |
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| 01:45.26 | karlpinc_ | roothorick: (FWIW I'd use something like shorewall or ferm rather than raw iptables. YMMV.) |
| 01:45.35 | babilen | roothorick: Seriously: RAM is *not* expensive and I wouldn't necessarily base such a decision on a 50$ investment. |
| 01:45.58 | ectospasm | I also have another issue where using the tabbed perl extension, which works, but the keysym I'm trying to map for opening a new tab isn't working. |
| 01:46.00 | roothorick | babilen: well, it's an old server that uses DDR1, which is currently rising in price... |
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| 01:46.18 | karlpinc_ | rutski: It's scarey to put stuff somewhere other than / though because it does need to be mounted..... |
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| 01:47.27 | karlpinc_ | roothorick: If you're going to be staging your own repos or some such it could be simpler to stick with a single distro, even though apt should still be apt. |
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| 01:48.09 | babilen | roothorick: Ok, just wanted to point it out. I am perfectly happy if you choose Debian, but I wouldn't do it because it uses a bit less RAM. Although that might point to a more general problem in Ubuntu, which I am sadly not too familiar with. It could for example mean, that a number of services are installed by default in Ubuntu that are not running in Debian. |
| 01:48.38 | babilen | karlpinc_: Debian can host repos for Ubuntu just fine, but that is a valid point. |
| 01:48.47 | karlpinc_ | roothorick: And I don't know how the security teams compare, or the availablity/quality of 3rd party support. (This channel rocks, usually.) |
| 01:49.49 | babilen | I would always pick the Debian community to stand behind my back if something goes wrong :) |
| 01:50.44 | roothorick | I have the attitude that you should be able to solve 80% of your problems without outside help :) |
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| 01:51.41 | babilen | roothorick: Outside help is good! Use it! Embrace the knowledge of the community and turn it into your strongest skill. |
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| 01:54.31 | babilen | roothorick: You probably also should discuss this in #ubuntu-server -- And I would recommend to figure out your needs (which services do you need to run, how are you going to deploy the nodes, ...) and write it down. Send it also to the mailing lists and gather input on your specific situation. |
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| 01:57.05 | ZykoticK9 | I'm running into an issue on squeeze with legacy proprietary nvidia (96xx) installed using module-assistant, for a NVIDIA GPU GeForce4 440 Go. After updating xorg.conf to include driver nvidia and restarting Xorg - the screen goes all white. Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/8B9DP5uM |
| 01:59.09 | syockit | can aptitude start with two views? |
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| 02:01.21 | xispirito | i need a hel, my apt don't work, don't find any packages...the sources is ok.. |
| 02:01.36 | babilen | ZykoticK9: The EDID for your screen can't be read. I would use a minimal configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) to configure nvidia (in the way suggested in /msg dpkg nvidia dkms-96xx) and another one for your screen. You want to specify modes and Horiz/VertRefresh for your screen in there. Try just with the 20-nvidia.conf first and take it from there. readedid and all that might also come in handy. |
| 02:01.45 | babilen | syockit: What do you mean by that? |
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| 02:02.41 | babilen | xispirito: Please paste the output of "apt-cache policy" as well as your sources.list + the command/output that makes you believe that it can not find any packages to http://paste.debian.net, thanks! |
| 02:03.02 | xispirito | babilen: ok |
| 02:03.12 | ZykoticK9 | babilen, that gives me server avenues to research / attempt - thanks! |
| 02:03.52 | babilen | ZykoticK9: Look at, for example, line 130 ... |
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| 02:04.50 | babilen | ZykoticK9: Please also read "man 5 xorg.conf" about the "Monitor" section. (if actually needed) |
| 02:05.17 | xispirito | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/118726/ |
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| 02:07.07 | babilen | xispirito: Ok, you are missing the most important sources. (you just have security updates and volatile) add "deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" to your sources.list and run "aptitude update" |
| 02:07.20 | babilen | ex-volatile that is :) |
| 02:07.41 | Doctor_Tonic | why debian is build with i386 and not i686 or i486 or i586? |
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| 02:08.14 | xispirito | babilen: tryng =) |
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| 02:09.49 | Woet | Doctor_Tonic: because it's 2011? |
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| 02:10.57 | Doctor_Tonic | woet o_0 |
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| 02:12.01 | Woet | Except for the kernel and a few packages where such optimization would actually make a difference, Debian doesn't optimize for Pentiums, AMD Athlons, and the like. Should a user wish to so himself, he can recompile, but there isn't enough benefit to do this on a global basis. |
| 02:12.03 | babilen | Doctor_Tonic: It actually builds for i586 -- See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609690 + http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/05/msg00614.html |
| 02:12.28 | babilen | Doctor_Tonic: And Woet makes an important point as well. |
| 02:12.51 | Doctor_Tonic | thx babilen |
| 02:13.05 | Doctor_Tonic | I don;t get it (the point) |
| 02:13.32 | Woet | Doctor_Tonic: the point is that you can spend weeks building packages/kernels/testing/debugging on i686 |
| 02:13.38 | Woet | and then you gain an increase of 1 FPS |
| 02:14.00 | Woet | you would be better off spending that time optimizing other things that would have a higher impact. |
| 02:14.14 | roothorick | or working a job so you can buy new hardware :P |
| 02:14.27 | babilen | or that :) |
| 02:14.34 | Doctor_Tonic | roothorick: Cool ! :)) |
| 02:14.45 | babilen | xispirito: Better now? |
| 02:14.58 | Doctor_Tonic | thx 2 all |
| 02:15.07 | stew | for debian, i'd guess its not the time as much as the space and the bandwidth, its easy to find build machines for these architectures, but each one you add adds 50gb to the mirrors |
| 02:15.13 | babilen | Doctor_Tonic: Have a nice day/evening/night! |
| 02:16.02 | xispirito | babilen: my internet link sucks, trying to update |
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| 02:16.21 | babilen | xispirito: Sure, take you time :) |
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| 02:16.43 | kevke | Ppl I need serious help. my whole installation is gone |
| 02:16.55 | kevke | by gone I mean gone |
| 02:16.56 | babilen | !tell kevke -about bat |
| 02:17.05 | babilen | kevke: Please elaborate |
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| 02:17.42 | kevke | Debian Lenny I made a fsck -C0 -y /dev/md2 and all is gone |
| 02:18.00 | xispirito | babilen: sub-process /bin/bzip2 return one error code(2) |
| 02:18.00 | kevke | except some files |
| 02:18.35 | Woet | kevke: on a running system? |
| 02:18.50 | kevke | nope in a rescue shell |
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| 02:19.12 | babilen | xispirito: Please show us the complete output. I'm heading off now. Also see "/msg dpkg squeeze sources.list" + "/msg dpkg geo sources" -- Good luck! |
| 02:19.54 | xispirito | is in pt-br |
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| 02:20.12 | babilen | !tell xispirito -about localized errors |
| 02:20.14 | Woet | Have a nice day/evening/night babilen :) |
| 02:20.28 | babilen | Woet: Thanks (night, very much) |
| 02:20.33 | Woet | Fri Jun 3 04:20:33 CEST 2011 |
| 02:20.37 | Woet | around that time? |
| 02:20.42 | kevke | I know it is to late for this now, but is there anything I can do? |
| 02:20.56 | babilen | Woet: almost (BST) -- Good night all. |
| 02:20.56 | Woet | kevke: was it fixing a lot of stuff? |
| 02:21.07 | kevke | I suppose so |
| 02:21.20 | nyov | kevke: what fs |
| 02:21.23 | kevke | ext3 |
| 02:21.35 | nyov | ouch |
| 02:22.12 | nyov | dont' mount it |
| 02:22.21 | kevke | It is mounted |
| 02:22.54 | kevke | And everything was on it, mails... Websites |
| 02:22.57 | dspace_ | Say what you want about the Social Network, I like that Zuckerberg uses KDE as it actually looked back in 2003. :) (watching it now, 1st time) |
| 02:23.00 | kevke | Everything |
| 02:24.09 | kevke | I#d better be jumping out of the windows now, seroiusly I think it is better to die now |
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| 02:24.47 | ronkrt | hello, what is the command for installing packages on debian? |
| 02:24.58 | kevke | apt-get |
| 02:25.00 | Woet | apt-get install <package> |
| 02:25.01 | ronkrt | YES@! |
| 02:25.03 | ronkrt | i love apt-get |
| 02:25.04 | ronkrt | ty |
| 02:25.11 | Woet | it loves you too |
| 02:25.13 | Woet | you're welcome |
| 02:25.20 | Franklin | dpkg -i <package> |
| 02:25.21 | dpkg | removes a kidney from franklin and replaces it with <package> |
| 02:25.24 | ronkrt | (been months since i used debian) |
| 02:25.36 | ronkrt | Does debian have to be custom compliled or does it have a pretty little install? |
| 02:25.50 | Woet | it has a 'pretty little install' :) |
| 02:25.58 | Woet | quite a few, actually |
| 02:26.08 | Woet | http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 02:26.10 | ronkrt | ty |
| 02:26.15 | ronkrt | getting ready to duel box for work ;) |
| 02:26.22 | nyov | kevke: TestDisk is what I recommend to you, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
| 02:26.37 | nyov | and unmount that thing asap |
| 02:28.33 | nyov | it's in the testdisk debian package btw. |
| 02:28.36 | kevke | I think I am just a little out of me, command please |
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| 02:29.11 | kevke | umoun /dev/mda? |
| 02:29.48 | ronkrt | how do i see what version os im using if i dont know? |
| 02:30.03 | nyov | kevke: umount /dev/ice - yes, if it's not your root partition |
| 02:30.56 | kevke | how do I know trhe mounted devices |
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| 02:31.03 | nyov | mount |
| 02:31.08 | kevke | I mean the name of the harddrive |
| 02:31.15 | dsockwell | mount or df |
| 02:32.54 | kevke | would a gracefull shutdown help? |
| 02:33.02 | kevke | I mean reboot in resque |
| 02:33.22 | dsockwell | what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:33.32 | kevke | umounting |
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| 02:33.57 | dsockwell | if you reboot into a rescue livecd you should have no trouble with filesystems being in use |
| 02:34.01 | kevke | md2 is / md1 is /boot |
| 02:34.01 | dsockwell | it's certainly an option |
| 02:34.13 | nyov | kevke: if it's your root partition, you should get a live cd with testdisk or other rescue tools on it |
| 02:34.16 | dsockwell | if you want to do offline work on md2 then yes you should use a livecd |
| 02:34.24 | dsockwell | i recommend systemrescuecd |
| 02:34.27 | dsockwell | it's quite good |
| 02:34.41 | kevke | Should II do it gracefully or the hard way? |
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| 02:34.58 | dsockwell | there's no reason not to do it gracefully |
| 02:35.06 | dsockwell | unless there is |
| 02:35.09 | nyov | dsockwell: you sure? |
| 02:35.19 | Franklin | i recommed to use dd to create an image fisrt |
| 02:35.35 | nyov | but from another machine |
| 02:35.51 | nyov | not while it's the live root partition |
| 02:35.56 | dsockwell | well, ok, n/m |
| 02:36.15 | dsockwell | probably better to do it hard |
| 02:36.21 | dsockwell | just in case umount goes badly |
| 02:36.32 | dsockwell | i trust you haven't written anything this session? |
| 02:36.35 | kevke | to late |
| 02:36.38 | dsockwell | ah well |
| 02:37.05 | kevke | Not at all |
| 02:37.25 | dsockwell | anyway boot systemrescuecd, dd_rescue the device to a known-good medium, then mount the image as loopback and begin recovery |
| 02:37.28 | kevke | dsockwell, nothing written, nothing opened |
| 02:37.50 | kevke | It is a webserver |
| 02:38.15 | dsockwell | hehe, anyone's website I know? |
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| 02:38.25 | kevke | I hope not |
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| 02:38.50 | kevke | but 'twas my copmanies website |
| 02:39.00 | nyov | well it's sad to learn the hard way, but a raid never substitutes for backups |
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| 02:39.49 | kevke | Seriously I can jump out of the window, or cut my balls for this |
| 02:40.02 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:40.08 | dsockwell | 'fsck' is usually pronounced 'fuck' where i come from |
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| 02:40.28 | kevke | well it fucked me pretty good |
| 02:40.31 | dsockwell | pardon my language :( |
| 02:40.41 | kevke | pardon me as well |
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| 02:41.05 | dsockwell | what led up to your running a check on the array? |
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| 02:42.00 | kevke | Mysteriously appearing 500s, didn't let me shutdown ungracefully |
| 02:42.12 | kevke | pardon *gracefully |
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| 02:42.18 | dsockwell | ah |
| 02:42.27 | kevke | Didn't come up afterwards |
| 02:42.37 | dsockwell | was there any output from fsck when you ran it? any indication of disk trouble? |
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| 02:45.16 | kevke | Well it fixed stuff, the only thing I know for sure was that it said, that 6.3% were incontegous. Well, and I think 6.3 is pretty everything I have left, but that's a wild guess, since I have not performed any task that would indicate what's gone and what's not. |
| 02:46.05 | dsockwell | non-contiguous is a performance problem |
| 02:46.10 | dsockwell | and 6.3 is pretty good |
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| 02:46.37 | DammitJim | do you guys know how I can get the java plug in to work in firefox on a debian amd64 install? |
| 02:46.42 | dsockwell | non-contiguous is a pretty non-urgent performance issue, nothing to do with integrity |
| 02:46.43 | rue_house | is there a command line tool to write network/interfaces for me? :) |
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| 02:48.05 | dvs | rue_house: use wicd or network-manager if you don't want to mess with your interfaces file. |
| 02:48.15 | rue_house | no gui |
| 02:48.15 | Franklin | DammitJim, just install it |
| 02:48.29 | kevke | There was no sign that justified this outcome, besides the outcome, be as it may. |
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| 02:48.39 | Franklin | rue_house, ifconfig |
| 02:48.50 | rue_house | :) it dosn't write out tho |
| 02:49.10 | dsockwell | it's not hard to write configuration files, there's directives for what you need to do. just use them. |
| 02:49.24 | rue_house | I know, I was just wonderin |
| 02:49.27 | dsockwell | not any that i'm aware of |
| 02:49.28 | dsockwell | uh |
| 02:49.32 | dsockwell | debian-installer does it somehow |
| 02:49.34 | rue_house | there are lots of little things in debian that been there forever and I didn't know |
| 02:49.49 | dsockwell | maybe dpkg-reconfigure has a task to do it |
| 02:49.58 | dsockwell | not sure if i spelled that right |
| 02:50.19 | rue_house | its ok, I heard what you meant |
| 02:50.39 | rutski | I'm installing the Digium dahdi kernel module from source (just for learning purposes) |
| 02:50.51 | rutski | and I'm noticing that they distribute a dahdi.rules file for udev, which looks like this: http://codepad.org/RADIJjRP |
| 02:51.05 | rue_house | rutski, I just did that :) |
| 02:51.10 | t3a | Hey, on the command xrandr --output DFP4 --left-of DFP3 |
| 02:51.10 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.10 | t3a | Here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/URqRfPEV |
| 02:51.15 | rutski | but even when I dump dahdi.rules into my $HOME dir, so I know it's not being used, all of the /dev/dahdi/* files get created just fine anyway |
| 02:51.18 | rutski | and I'm wondering how that is |
| 02:51.27 | rutski | and why the dahdi.rules file is even distributed then |
| 02:51.32 | rutski | rue_house: ah, nifty :) |
| 02:51.51 | DammitJim | Franklin, I installed firefox |
| 02:51.52 | rue_house | rutski, I just installed asterisk all from source |
| 02:52.04 | rue_house | the only thing that touched it was the linux kernel headers |
| 02:52.05 | rutski | rue_house: yeah, in the process of doing that now; 1.8 |
| 02:52.10 | rutski | indeed |
| 02:52.12 | rue_house | yea me too |
| 02:52.13 | DammitJim | and then created the symbolic link to the plug in (like I did for chrome) but it didn't work :( |
| 02:52.15 | rutski | good to know :) |
| 02:52.16 | kevke | dsockwell, what do you think, how should I do this? I am on rescue running on putty. |
| 02:52.30 | rutski | rue_house: I'm guessing you didn't need the dahdi.rules either :-p |
| 02:52.31 | dsockwell | kevke: get a big disk and image the array to it |
| 02:52.39 | rutski | I wonder what udev files are even *for* if things seem to work without 'em |
| 02:52.40 | rue_house | rutski, I'm just installing another one (no dahdi) for a demo |
| 02:52.55 | rutski | oh, right; there's the "run script on load" thing |
| 02:53.00 | dsockwell | kevke: then get another big disk and copy the image to that, and try your recovery steps on the copy. keep the original image for safety. |
| 02:53.06 | rue_house | rutski, it took me driving over it back and forth a few times, but it all compiled and installed |
| 02:53.07 | kevke | Between me and the arrey is (give or take) 600 KM |
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| 02:53.18 | rutski | rue_house: :) |
| 02:53.45 | dsockwell | kevke: then you need at least 1.2 TO of storage to begin |
| 02:53.46 | rue_house | rutski, do you have pots cards? |
| 02:53.47 | dvs | kevke: see ya in 12 hours. ;-) |
| 02:53.56 | dsockwell | kevke: you may wish to contract a data recovery provider |
| 02:54.20 | rutski | rue_house: yup yup, oh DAHDI interfaces with things other than POTS cards? |
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| 02:54.36 | dsockwell | oh |
| 02:54.39 | rue_house | I think the T1 driver uses them |
| 02:54.39 | dsockwell | kilometers |
| 02:54.47 | dsockwell | herp |
| 02:54.58 | kevke | I have 1.6TB on my local NAS |
| 02:55.06 | dsockwell | kevke: transfer it over sshfs |
| 02:55.15 | dsockwell | sorry i thought KM was gigabytes for some reason |
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| 02:55.39 | dsockwell | i don't know how much storage you need; 2x the size of the array is a great start |
| 02:56.10 | t3a | Hey, on the command xrandr --output DFP4 --left-of DFP3 |
| 02:56.11 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.12 | t3a | Here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/URqRfPEV |
| 02:56.27 | kevke | Problem is, NAS is Fat32 is that a problem? |
| 02:57.15 | kevke | We had 2*1,5GB running as Softraid 1 |
| 02:57.22 | kevke | well we have actually |
| 02:57.37 | Wyzard | If you're just doing an image copy, it shouldn't matter what the filesystem is |
| 02:57.59 | Wyzard | It may affect which recovery tools you can use, though |
| 02:58.16 | nyov | 1,5gb should be within fat32 limits |
| 02:59.08 | Wyzard | btw, it's not much help to you now, but I use LVM on my array and I set up a cron job that takes a snapshot every week (and removes old snapshots) |
| 02:59.14 | kevke | Should I better use Windoze for... dumb question would a ubuntu do this task? |
| 02:59.28 | Wyzard | so if a filesystem gets hosed, I have snapshots from the prior two weeks |
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| 03:00.19 | rutski | rue_house: ah, didn't know T1 was non-POTS |
| 03:00.32 | rutski | oh, right; it's digital, hmm... |
| 03:00.37 | rue_house | :0 |
| 03:00.38 | rutski | I only just got into this phone system stuff a this week |
| 03:00.38 | Franklin | DammitJim, you need to install sun-java6-plugin |
| 03:00.39 | rue_house | :) |
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| 03:00.44 | rue_house | got to fix that shift key |
| 03:00.50 | rutski | rue_house: I still have *no* idea how the phone system worked before the digital revolution |
| 03:00.51 | rue_house | gets his ice pick |
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| 03:01.11 | kevke | I wouldn't if it weren't absolutelly nessesary, could someone guide me throgh this? |
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| 03:01.31 | rutski | I mean, I know they had human-run switch boards at first; and that makes sense to me |
| 03:01.32 | DammitJim | Franklin, gosh... it kinda pays to install from repos... I installed iceweasel and it worked |
| 03:01.39 | ChibaPet | Hi all... I've got a Squeeze box here running Gnome. It's launching ssh-agent when I log in and I don't know why. I've got the option turned off in /etc/X11/Xsession.options and in System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications. |
| 03:01.49 | rutski | but somehow they managed to develop phones which auto-dialed but *before* the advent of digital computers |
| 03:01.51 | rutski | that one confuses me |
| 03:01.53 | ChibaPet | Anyone know why it's starting? pstree shows it owned by init which is strange. |
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| 03:03.30 | nyov | ChibaPet: do you have an .Xsession or .xinitrc in your home dir? i don't think so but maybe it's started from there |
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| 03:03.37 | ChibaPet | Neither. |
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| 03:04.32 | ChibaPet | I want to be starting it from my own scripts, but my own scripts explicitly don't kill any running agents. |
| 03:04.47 | ChibaPet | And so, the agent's throwing me off when it starts without my direction. |
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| 03:05.04 | buhman | has anyone else successfully built kernel 3.0-rc1 without any problems on x86_64 but then run into problems with the apm module while building on i686? |
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| 03:05.52 | ChibaPet | brb, logging to test |
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| 03:09.57 | stew | buhman: you might ask in ##linux or ##kernel |
| 03:10.12 | stew | buhman: the overwelming majority of people in here would be using kernels compiled by debian |
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| 03:10.27 | xispirito | thanks, finnaly work |
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| 03:12.16 | kevke_buntu | Okay I am on ubuntu now. This system might not be designed for this task... but I have to do it anyway. How do I image the arrey from here |
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| 03:14.04 | somiaj | kevke_buntu: #ubuntu |
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| 03:15.54 | kevke_buntu | Problem remains... since the host system (Webserver) is Debian |
| 03:16.10 | Wyzard | kevke_buntu: Assuming you were using Debian earlier, why did you switch to Ubuntu? |
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| 03:16.55 | somiaj | kevke_buntu: what array are you wanting to image? |
| 03:17.19 | kevke_buntu | It is a testmashine for a service we try. |
| 03:17.37 | kevke_buntu | 2*1.5TB on SF1 |
| 03:17.43 | kevke_buntu | SR1 |
| 03:17.47 | rue_house | rutski, .... |
| 03:19.09 | Wyzard | kevke_buntu: What is SR1? (I assume you don't mean /dev/sr1, since that would be a CD or DVD drive) |
| 03:19.42 | Wyzard | kevke_buntu: You mentioned earlier that the array is 600km away from you -- are you accessing it remotely? |
| 03:19.54 | kevke_buntu | soft raid |
| 03:20.01 | kevke_buntu | yes |
| 03:20.03 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:20.34 | Wyzard | We need to know how you're accessing the array, and where is the device that you want to image it to |
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| 03:20.58 | Wyzard | e.g. are you going to copy it to another remote disk connected to the same machine as the array, or are you going to transfer the contents over the Internet to a local disk |
| 03:21.25 | kevke_buntu | Well, I think it would be /dev/mda if I am not misstaken |
| 03:21.46 | yebyen | probably md0 |
| 03:22.14 | Wyzard | so you're logged into a computer that the array is directly connected to |
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| 03:22.29 | kevke_buntu | indeed |
| 03:22.34 | Wyzard | and on that machine, the array is a software RAID device, /dev/md0 or something similar |
| 03:22.47 | kevke_buntu | yes |
| 03:23.02 | Wyzard | Where are you going to image it to? |
| 03:23.51 | kevke_buntu | a 2TB harddrive with 1.6TB space left, But I could free more |
| 03:24.02 | dsockwell | how large is the array? |
| 03:24.31 | kevke_buntu | total? |
| 03:24.37 | kevke_buntu | 3GB |
| 03:24.39 | kevke_buntu | TB |
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| 03:24.43 | dsockwell | RAID1? |
| 03:24.51 | dsockwell | how much usable space |
| 03:25.12 | syockit | babilen: I mean, by default, aptitude will start with a categorize package view. If I set it to start flat, it will start with a flat view. But I usually use two views: one to list installed packages and one not installed packages. Therefore, I usually have to ctrl-T and select "new flat list" to do that everytime I start aptitude |
| 03:25.15 | kevke_buntu | yes, I mean only 1.5TB was accessable |
| 03:25.20 | dsockwell | ok |
| 03:25.23 | dsockwell | well |
| 03:25.33 | roothorick | is root-on-MD-RAID a PITA on ubuntu? |
| 03:25.38 | roothorick | eff |
| 03:25.40 | roothorick | wrong channel |
| 03:25.45 | dsockwell | compare the cost of 1.5TB of transit with going to the datacenter or hiring a contractor |
| 03:25.55 | Wyzard | roothorick: dunno about Ubuntu, but it works fine in Debian |
| 03:26.01 | dvs | kevke_buntu: he means the size of each disk and how many disks |
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| 03:26.13 | dsockwell | it's a 1.5TB dataset |
| 03:26.15 | kevke_buntu | 2 disks 1.5TB each |
| 03:26.24 | dsockwell | but it's mirrored, right, not striped? |
| 03:26.27 | Wyzard | kevke_buntu: Is the 2TB disk connected to the same computer as the array? |
| 03:26.33 | kevke_buntu | no |
| 03:26.37 | rue_house | rutski, http://eds.dyndns.org/~ircjunk/images/p1010974.jpg <-- they used jumper switches |
| 03:26.46 | dsockwell | how much bandwidth is between you and the server? |
| 03:26.53 | dsockwell | will you get hit with transit costs if you do the image over whatever link? |
| 03:26.59 | kevke_buntu | 35mBit ideally |
| 03:27.10 | kevke_buntu | nothing |
| 03:27.37 | Wyzard | 1.5TB over a 35mbit network will take quite a while |
| 03:27.48 | rue_house | rutski, thats 700 bits of rewritable rom there! |
| 03:28.03 | kevke_buntu | estimation? |
| 03:28.03 | Wyzard | haha |
| 03:28.11 | dsockwell | (1.5 terabytes) / (35 (megabits per second)) = 4.16101587 days |
| 03:28.11 | rue_house | if you use compression, you can store a bunch of phone numbers in it |
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| 03:28.41 | dsockwell | you should probably get remote hands or something |
| 03:28.44 | Wyzard | You could drive to the datacenter in less time than that :-) |
| 03:29.01 | rutski | rue_house: wow, very interesting |
| 03:30.34 | jon8 | Whats the newest kernel that debian 5 can run? |
| 03:30.41 | jon8 | 32 bit.. |
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| 03:31.16 | dsockwell | continues to git clone the kernel |
| 03:31.19 | somiaj | jon8: packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6 -- see the images avialable in the various versions |
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| 03:31.56 | somiaj | jon8: but it should be able to run any kernel correctally compiled up to the new 3.0-rc1 [there is really no difference in 3.0 and 2.6.40 would have been] |
| 03:32.34 | Wyzard | jon8: The packaged one is the only officially-supported one |
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| 03:34.11 | Wyzard | jon8: The squeeze release notes mention that lenny's version of udev "will not provide all the functionality expected by the latest kernels" |
| 03:34.44 | Wyzard | jon8: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-udev |
| 03:35.32 | Wyzard | so I guess that somewhere between 2.6.26 (lenny's kernel) and 2.6.32 (squeeze's kernel) you'll find a version that doesn't work well in lenny |
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| 03:38.04 | stew | jon8: is there something specific you need that you can't get from the lenny kernel? |
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| 03:39.53 | dsockwell | win 12 |
| 03:40.02 | stew | yay 12! |
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| 03:56.29 | asarch | Is dpkg on? |
| 03:56.37 | asarch | !dpkg Flash |
| 03:56.37 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 03:56.49 | asarch | Thank you :-) |
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| 03:58.24 | kevke_buntu | A am a bit reliefed now, It appears, that most of it (educated guess) is found thin l&f |
| 03:58.28 | kevke_buntu | within |
| 03:59.25 | kevke_buntu | But I can't be certain, how compromised mysql is... however, I have backups though |
| 04:00.50 | kevke_buntu | I know I should have been looking there in the beginning, but I just wan't thinking straight |
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| 04:05.04 | t3a | Hey, on the command xrandr --output DFP4 --left-of DFP3 |
| 04:05.05 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.05 | t3a | Here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/URqRfPEV |
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| 04:06.33 | uoiea | Why not run Xorg -configure? |
| 04:07.01 | kingsley | If I reconfigure the ubiquitous "eth0" to work as a bridge, would it be reasonable to expect that one of Debian's gajillion networking applications would go (Warning! Highly technical word follows!) "Kaboom"? |
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| 04:07.32 | uoiea | No. It won't go kaboom. |
| 04:07.35 | Rusty1 | t3a: maybe you've seen it, but http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
| 04:08.06 | Wyzard | kingsley: Most network applications don't know or care about specific interfaces -- they just specify an IP address and let the kernel's routing table figure out which interface to send it through |
| 04:08.07 | ssfdre38 | if your happy and you know it, Synthx Error |
| 04:08.11 | kingsley | uoiea: I like your nick. |
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| 04:09.03 | uoiea | thanks |
| 04:10.20 | t3a | Rusty1, I have the virtual line in my xorg.conf |
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| 04:13.04 | Tobias| | Is there an RSS feed available for torrents of debian distributions? |
| 04:19.35 | Wyzard | Tobias|: torrents are created when releases occur, and the RSS feed for Debian news includes release announcements |
| 04:20.06 | Tobias| | hmmm |
| 04:20.07 | Tobias| | Alright |
| 04:20.08 | Tobias| | Thanks |
| 04:20.27 | kevke | As some of you know, I fried my installation last night. In regards to this, I mounted the mdraid and found most of it in Lost&found But the question is, is it a good idea to copy it from there, thereby saving time, because it uses just a fraction of time, I would be using, if I push the whole raid from here to there |
| 04:21.25 | Wyzard | kevke: The safest thing to do is to make a backup before you change anything |
| 04:21.27 | kevke | And btw. is it possible that all is still there (and where it is supposed to be) on the second drive? |
| 04:21.55 | Wyzard | kevke: but if the fielsystem is in a consistent state (e.g. no problems found if you fsck it while unmounted), it should be safe to move things out of /lost+found back to their proper places |
| 04:22.30 | Wyzard | kevke: Your RAID wouldn't be doing its job if it didn't keep both drives identical |
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| 04:23.08 | prem | hi all |
| 04:23.17 | kevke | so it copied the sh*t all along to it's sister-drive? |
| 04:23.29 | prem | whenever i try to open synaptic it throws "Failed to communicate with gksu-run-helper." error |
| 04:23.41 | prem | and am not able to proceed or open that applciation |
| 04:23.48 | stew | kevke: does mdadm think the array is currently synced? |
| 04:23.51 | prem | this is the same for firestarter too |
| 04:24.13 | prem | what can be the problem..am i missing any package..? |
| 04:26.24 | kevke | What's the command for that? |
| 04:26.51 | kevke | mdadm --manage and drivename? |
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| 04:27.00 | Wyzard | kevke: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 04:27.35 | stew | mdadm -Q --detail /dev/whatever |
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| 04:29.45 | kevke | Well md0 says 210464 Blocks; Md1 264960blocks; and md2 1462766336 bllocks |
| 04:31.32 | Wyzard | That's just the size of the array; it should also say something like "[2/2] [UU]" |
| 04:32.02 | kevke | 2/2 uu to all of it |
| 04:32.08 | Wyzard | meaning that both disks are present an in use |
| 04:32.32 | Wyzard | OK, so your array is consistent (not surprising since your problem wasn't at the RAID level) |
| 04:32.34 | buhman | uptime says my cpu load is > 3.0 (on a single-core system) and yet nothing in top exceeds 2% cpu |
| 04:32.59 | Wyzard | buhman: Processes waiting on I/O contribute toward the load average too |
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| 04:33.19 | buhman | Wyzard: wait, so what does the load average mean then? |
| 04:33.48 | Wyzard | It's the number of processes that are either runnable or waiting on I/O |
| 04:33.56 | stew | or zombie |
| 04:34.08 | Wyzard | didn't know that |
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| 04:34.17 | jmarsden | buhman: man uptime has a clearish definition of load average... |
| 04:34.35 | buhman | so how do we find out who's making my load average so high? |
| 04:34.42 | buhman | jmarsden: thanks |
| 04:35.47 | Wyzard | buhman: Take a look at the "iotop" package |
| 04:35.55 | stew | buhman: perhaps something like "ps aux | awk '$8~/[DZ]/{print}'" |
| 04:36.21 | stew | actuall DZR |
| 04:36.52 | buhman | stew: what is that telling me? |
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| 04:37.16 | buhman | stew: the only output is that I ran ps aux |
| 04:37.23 | syockit | spooner of the day: feeping creaturism |
| 04:38.10 | stew | buhman: processes in the D, Z, or R states which are uninterruptable slee, zombie, runnable |
| 04:38.20 | Wyzard | slee! |
| 04:38.24 | jelly-home | p |
| 04:38.40 | buhman | stew: well, the only process in the list is ps itself |
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| 04:39.01 | Wyzard | Maybe the process that was pushing up your load average has ended? |
| 04:39.05 | stew | buhman: show us the output of "vmstat 1 10" in a pastebin? |
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| 04:42.30 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/399883/ stew |
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| 04:43.27 | kingsley | Does the /etc/network/interfaces at the bottom of http://pravindev.blogspot.com/ assign two interfaces to one NIC, by making "eth0" a port of the bridge named "br0"? |
| 04:44.30 | buhman | kingsley: I don't think so |
| 04:44.34 | stew | buhman: looks like not much of anything is going on. your load averages should be going down. the r, b columns say that not much is running or blocked |
| 04:44.52 | buhman | stew: the 1 5 and 15 are all > 3 |
| 04:45.22 | Wyzard | kingsley: It does make eth0 a port on br0, and that part looks right, but the two lines for eth0, above, don't belong there |
| 04:45.55 | stew | the two lines above for eth0 do little more than "ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 04:46.02 | stew | err, no more than... |
| 04:46.17 | stew | i'm not sure they even do that |
| 04:46.27 | Wyzard | but that's inappropriate (though probably harmless) for a port that's part of a bridge |
| 04:47.14 | kingsley | Do you suppose that configuration will give users the choice of using the traditional "eth0" or a bridge (named "br0")? |
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| 04:48.07 | Wyzard | kingsley: no, it just unconditionally sets up the bridge |
| 04:48.34 | Wyzard | and also (probably harmlessly) does something pointless to eth0 that it doesn't need to do |
| 04:48.39 | kingsley | For example could a user do... $ tcpdump -i eth0 and then... $ tcpdump -i br0 ? |
| 04:49.18 | Wyzard | I'm not sure whether it's valid to use tcpdump on an interface that's part of a bridge -- I think it is |
| 04:49.24 | Wyzard | but you don't need a stanza in the interfaces file for that |
| 04:49.50 | Wyzard | eth0 exists even without that "iface eth0 inet manual" line |
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| 04:53.49 | kingsley | Wyzard: Do you happen to know how to share a NIC between eth0 and a bridge, so that the net can be reached by referring to either the "eth0" or "br0" (bridge) interface? |
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| 04:54.15 | Wyzard | It doesn't make sense to do that |
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| 04:55.32 | Wyzard | Think about incoming packets -- how would the kernel know whether they should be delivered on eth0 "only", or passed to the bridge? |
| 04:56.24 | kingsley | Wyzard: Maybe I should have prefaced my question by explaining that I'd like to add bridge functionality without breaking existing applications that expect to have eth0. |
| 04:56.24 | Wyzard | If an interface is part of a bridge, all traffic it receives goes to the bridge, and when you want to send packets, you give them to the bridge so it can pass them to the appropriate interface |
| 04:56.53 | Wyzard | You mean applications that have the name "eth0" written in their config files? |
| 04:57.10 | kingsley | Wyzard: You ask a reasonable question, to which I do not have an answer. |
| 04:57.41 | kingsley | Yes, I mean applications that have the name "eth0" written in their config files. |
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| 04:58.38 | Wyzard | You can edit your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to give the physical NIC a name other than "eth0", and then name the bridge "eth0" |
| 04:58.55 | Wyzard | but it would be simpler to just configure the application to look at br0 instead |
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| 05:02.08 | kingsley | Wyzard: I found your comment about editing udev... interesting. |
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| 05:04.18 | kingsley | Wyzard: At the moment, I'm only aware of two file files that would need to be edited to reconfigure eth0 to work as a bridge: /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 05:04.19 | Wyzard | Xen has scripts that do that sort of thing automatically: rename the physical eth0 to something else (like "peth0"), then create a bridge called "eth0" that contains peth0 |
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| 05:04.57 | kingsley | Wyzard: On the other hand, I'm aware of at least six other applications that have "eth0" in their configuration files. |
| 05:05.26 | Wyzard | Why do you want to avoid changing the applications' config files? |
| 05:05.31 | kingsley | Wyzard: At the moment, I'm inclined to think that editing two is easier than at least six. |
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| 05:06.15 | Wyzard | If your main concern is performing the fewest number of keystrokes, that's probably true |
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| 05:06.40 | Wyzard | but it's confusing to humans to have a bridge that's named like a physical NIC (though the kernel doesn't care) |
| 05:07.17 | mrdeb | when you format an sd card with ext2 and do not put a label on it, the system name is a really long string of numbers and letters. why |
| 05:07.22 | Wyzard | I'd give the bridge a normal name like "br0", and configure the apps to match, in the interest of having a straightforward and understandable configuration overall |
| 05:07.28 | kingsley | Wyzard: Maybe Xen's developers could answer your insightful question about kernel delivery. |
| 05:07.44 | Wyzard | It was a rhetorical question |
| 05:07.57 | Wyzard | The answer (which I mentioned a moment later) is that all incoming packets are passed to the bridge |
| 05:08.08 | kingsley | Wyzard: Yes, I share your concern about "eth0" being a misleading name for a bridge. |
| 05:08.17 | dsockwell | mrdeb: are you thinking of the UUID? |
| 05:08.23 | Wyzard | You're not supposed to use an interface "directly" when it's part of a bridge |
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| 05:08.40 | mrdeb | dsockwell: i dont know if its the uuid, but it does look likeit. is it? |
| 05:08.50 | mrdeb | is that what happens with ext2 without a label |
| 05:09.00 | kingsley | Wyzard: Thank you for patiently sharing your details thoughts with me. |
| 05:09.12 | kingsley | Wyzard: You've given me something to think about. |
| 05:09.26 | kingsley | Wyzard: At the risk of appearing rude, I need to go. |
| 05:09.37 | Wyzard | You're welcome |
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| 05:10.33 | mrdeb | dsockwell: you are right. it is the uuid |
| 05:10.38 | mrdeb | funny |
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| 05:11.54 | kingsley | Wyzard: I hope this is a quick and easy question for you to answer... If "br0" is considered a "bridge" interface, then what kind of interface is "eth0" considered to be? |
| 05:12.20 | gnarface | ethernet |
| 05:12.29 | gnarface | do i win a prize? |
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| 05:13.58 | Wyzard | kingsley: I don't think there's a special term for that |
| 05:14.08 | Wyzard | I'd just call it a normal Ethernet interface |
| 05:15.17 | kingsley | I guess I can live with that. |
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| 05:19.50 | mrdeb | why does disk utility say the disk type is fat16 when its formatted with ext2 |
| 05:20.30 | Wyzard | Was it FAT16 previously? |
| 05:20.47 | nevyn | mrdeb: is the partition type 82 (linux) |
| 05:21.01 | nevyn | mrdeb: or is it msdos-fat16 |
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| 05:22.01 | Wyzard | I think ext2 leaves the first 4k of the device unused (so that a bootloader can be installed there), and FAT keeps its superblock in that area |
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| 05:22.17 | Wyzard | so if you put ext2 over a fat16 filesystem, you actually have both superblocks present |
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| 05:25.09 | mrdeb | nevyn: how do i find out |
| 05:25.23 | mrdeb | nevyn: i just formatted it ext2 with gparted |
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| 05:27.12 | scorphus | bummer! linux-image-2.6.39-1-amd64 screws up my system, purging it along with linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 05:28.05 | Wyzard | scorphus: Screws it up in what way? |
| 05:28.26 | Wyzard | scorphus: it's been working fine for me |
| 05:29.28 | mrdeb | ok, i reformatted with mbr and ext2 |
| 05:31.47 | DanDare | "so if you put ext2 over a fat16 filesystem, you actually have both superblocks present" cool info. Explains a lot |
| 05:32.25 | scorphus | Wyzard: the bridge just won't come up, my VMs dont work |
| 05:32.39 | DanDare | I remember in the past writing zeros on HDD because of unexplained errors :) |
| 05:32.44 | scorphus | years ago this would be fun to find out the reasons why |
| 05:32.50 | Wyzard | DanDare: Of course, you shouldn't actually try to mount as fat16 after doing that, since at least part of the FAT itself has probably been overwritten with ext2 structures |
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| 05:32.59 | scorphus | but nowadays I've other interests = |
| 05:33.01 | scorphus | =) |
| 05:33.38 | DanDare | yeah sure, it just causes confusion in disk partitioners (i guess) |
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| 05:33.58 | Wyzard | scorphus: so instead you'll just remove it with no troubleshooting, and continue using 2.6.38 long after it's removed from the archive? |
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| 05:34.21 | Wyzard | scorphus: Perhaps you should stick with stable releases then :-) |
| 05:34.26 | scorphus | uh... until I have time to inspect this, so, yes =/ |
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| 05:36.46 | scorphus | Wyzard: I don't think stable suits my needs. The fact is that I cant look into it right now and I always forget picking the right kernel when I boot up this laptop |
| 05:37.14 | scorphus | bbiab on 2.6.38... |
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| 05:43.00 | Wyzard | scorphus: That's understandable; I was just surprised that you came into a support channel to announce the problem when you're not seeking help with fixing it |
| 05:43.27 | Wyzard | makes it look like you just came to complain :-) |
| 05:43.40 | scorphus | Wyzard: yeah, sorry about that, kinda complain... |
| 05:43.43 | scorphus | exactly |
| 05:44.44 | nevyn | feels better now scorphus has that out in the open. |
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| 05:53.36 | diegoviola | hi |
| 05:53.38 | asarch | How can I reconfigure vi? |
| 05:53.39 | diegoviola | if some of you are having this issue please comment there guys, https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33872 |
| 05:53.42 | diegoviola | thanks!!! |
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| 05:53.49 | asarch | I would like to point to vim |
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| 05:57.03 | Mr_Queue | asarch: alias it? |
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| 05:57.18 | Mr_Queue | make a link |
| 05:57.19 | nevyn | asarch: alias it in your user account |
| 05:57.40 | nevyn | asarch: and set default-text-editor to vim using update-alternatives |
| 05:57.50 | asarch | Thanks! |
| 05:57.53 | Wyzard | /usr/bin/vi uses alternatives too |
| 05:58.09 | nevyn | does it? then do that. |
| 05:58.14 | Wyzard | On my systems it points to vim without me having to do anything special (besides installing vim and uninstalling nvi) |
| 05:58.18 | asarch | Thank you very much guys :-) |
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| 06:14.55 | agrundner | thoughts on using cron to auto update and -y upgrade a server nightly? Good idea or bad? |
| 06:15.39 | ompaul | agrundner: ime bad - do this apt-get -d upgrade and download by all means |
| 06:15.51 | ompaul | then check what the updates are before you actually do them |
| 06:16.22 | agrundner | k |
| 06:16.56 | agrundner | ompaul: where you the guy last week who was helping me with server upgrade failure? |
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| 06:17.32 | ompaul | agrundner: were you the guy who skipped lenny in the upgrade? |
| 06:17.49 | agrundner | ompaul: yup :) |
| 06:17.59 | agrundner | ompaul: thanks again! |
| 06:18.02 | ompaul | at some point likely |
| 06:18.50 | agrundner | I got everything working -- day 1 fixing mysql, day 2 getting virtualhosts to interpret php5 |
| 06:19.06 | ompaul | good |
| 06:19.21 | agrundner | ompaul: it's solid now |
| 06:19.31 | mrdeb | how many years can a netbook last |
| 06:19.37 | ompaul | agrundner: good |
| 06:19.44 | agrundner | added fail2ban and rkhunter -- love fail2ban |
| 06:20.11 | ompaul | mrdeb: the phrase that depends comes to mind I have one since 09 that I use on an infrequent basis and it still starts |
| 06:20.38 | mrdeb | which eeepc is it |
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| 06:21.43 | agrundner | ompaul: so why not download and install automatically? I'm only using the debian repos for the LAMP server. |
| 06:22.12 | agrundner | ompaul: I don't think there will be any surprise with the software updates |
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| 06:27.24 | ompaul | agrundner: unattended updates can and do change packages |
| 06:27.36 | ompaul | you want some config script overwritten ? |
| 06:27.55 | agrundner | ompaul: absolutely not |
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| 06:28.11 | ompaul | agrundner: so then I suggest again, that it is a bad idea |
| 06:28.16 | agrundner | so -y won't keep your current config, eh when prompted with the choice |
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| 06:28.37 | agrundner | ompaul: yeah, sucks |
| 06:28.52 | agrundner | ompaul: good advice |
| 06:28.59 | ompaul | I have no idea what it will do, I wouldn't do it |
| 06:29.48 | ompaul | agrundner: I'd do it on a desktop a lot easier, but I'd still not be happy doing it |
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| 06:34.35 | agrundner | ompaul: found a nice how-to on automating the process and getting notified when update are actually available http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/automatic-update-and-upgrade |
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| 06:35.23 | ompaul | agrundner: note the second part |
| 06:36.05 | ompaul | the bit about simulating an upgrade |
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| 06:36.26 | agrundner | ompaul: yeah, caught that -- knew you'd like it :) |
| 06:36.55 | ompaul | well if you are going to do that why not run it four or five times a day |
| 06:37.05 | Karen_m | i am trying to 'comm' 2 files, and lately since sid/squeeze, it's gone a lot slower. Anyone know another app that will compare 2 ascii files and compute what changed between them efficiently/fast? |
| 06:37.34 | ompaul | and as I said do apt-get -d upgrade to download the packages so if you do actually go to upgrade it you already have the packages downloaded |
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| 06:37.50 | ompaul | you may decide you don't want to upgrade something until you look into it further |
| 06:39.17 | Wyzard | Karen_m: diff |
| 06:39.29 | ompaul | Karen_m: one way that might help is diff -rupN original modified > READ-me-dot-diff |
| 06:39.55 | ompaul | you could of course do diff -rupN original modified | less |
| 06:40.09 | ompaul | but there are times when a file is a comfort |
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| 06:42.13 | agrundner | ompaul: here's another tool -- aptitude show cron-apt |
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| 06:45.43 | ompaul | agrundner: there are many ways to get from here to there ;-) |
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| 06:46.09 | ompaul | wanders to take care of business |
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| 06:51.24 | tehrabbitt | Good evening folks |
| 06:51.28 | tehrabbitt | well good mornign technically |
| 06:51.29 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 07:05.37 | regular | Hi |
| 07:06.06 | regular | I've came to share a terrible revelation about the operating system we are using. |
| 07:06.13 | regular | *I came |
| 07:06.33 | regular | I'm so shocked I'm making grammar mistakes, my bad. |
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| 07:07.17 | tehrabbitt | 2.7" QVGA == MotoDroid 1? |
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| 07:07.20 | regular | Anyway, I've just found that our OS is a version of an illegal operating system called... |
| 07:07.24 | regular | ... wait ... |
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| 07:07.59 | regular | ... Lunix, which was developed in USSR by Lynyos Torovoltos |
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| 07:08.24 | regular | Anyway, it's all here: http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html |
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| 07:08.51 | simonlnu | right. do you have a debian question? |
| 07:09.10 | regular | I'm logging out before the interested parties track me down using the Visual Basic GUI. Bye! |
| 07:09.57 | oldirty | lol, i'd like to see him try that in #gentoo |
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| 07:10.13 | tehrabbitt | Whoops X_X wrong channel LMAO |
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| 07:25.50 | sauvin | GeForce nVidia 7150M. Hardware acceleration? |
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| 07:36.20 | sauvin | !nvidia |
| 07:36.20 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 07:38.02 | osmosis | i hit CTRL-C while apt-get install build-essential was running. now ./configure wont work. How can I do a full reinstall of build-essential? |
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| 07:45.20 | somiaj | osmosis: what part did you hit ctrl-C at -- the downloading or the installing? |
| 07:45.33 | simonlnu | do dpkg --audit then (or) dpkg --configure --pending (might want to run -a too) |
| 07:45.55 | somiaj | osmosis: if it was during the downloading you can just rerun apt-get...if it was during the installing follow simonlnu's comment |
| 07:46.03 | oldirty | if dpkg says it's really alright, you could try apt-get install --reinstall build-essential |
| 07:46.19 | oldirty | never seen that happen in your scenario, though... just wanted to say something :P |
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| 08:00.10 | jpinx | what would be the easies way to install debian on an eeepc which can only connect by gprs2.5 through my nokia n900 phone ? |
| 08:03.15 | jpinx | the eeepc currently has XPhome and uses the nokia/Ovi PCSuite to connect |
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| 08:06.46 | osmosis | how do I setup jwasm? |
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| 08:07.15 | Bushmills | jpinx: boot installer from usb |
| 08:07.30 | Bushmills | debian live, for example |
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| 08:08.23 | somiaj | osmosis: after you install the package, /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> some times has useful info for setting it up |
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| 08:11.15 | jpinx | ok I have a live system I can boot into I think, but how to connect through the n900? Bushmills ? |
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| 08:19.20 | Bushmills | for installing, you don't need to. |
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| 08:20.57 | Bushmills | debian live installs from storage. same you booted from. for different "a live system", use instructions of "a live system" to connect |
| 08:21.52 | jpinx | Bushmills: ok, where do I download debianlive from? |
| 08:22.17 | Bushmills | ah. there's this huge repository called "the internet" |
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| 08:29.29 | flash__ | heh |
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| 08:34.33 | adminewb | Install question, may indicate less than robust scripting: doing an amd64 net install of squeeze from CD; expert GUI front end, because I want manual control over installation to preconfigured ext4 disk partitions; once installer gets to the point of recognizing and configuring swaps spaces, shortly after finalizing partitions, it fails with a console message indicated unassigned scripting variables - the GUI at that point is frozen and seems |
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| 08:36.33 | ectospasm | adminewb: explain what you mean by "less than robust scripting." Are you writing a wrapper script to automate the install process? |
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| 08:37.08 | adminewb | no custom script here no |
| 08:37.26 | adminewb | the graphical install looked pretty well automated as is |
| 08:37.45 | adminewb | the installer itself runs on scripts afaict |
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| 08:38.43 | nkuttler | !tell adminewb about debian-boot |
| 08:38.48 | nkuttler | meh |
| 08:38.54 | nkuttler | adminewb: try #debian-boot @ oftc |
| 08:39.10 | adminewb | thanks nkuttler |
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| 08:41.17 | zrin | strange thing, last message in dmesg has timestamp 1048584, but /proc/uptime shows 984446, 64138 seconds less |
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| 08:58.51 | buhman | is it possible to do multiple aptitude actions in one statement? |
| 08:59.09 | ogzy | at my xen serveri had lenny, upgrade it and then could'nt boot it, not i opened it via Debian Live cd, but only with 686 kernel, the Debian on the disk is 64 bit, i am able to mount the disk partition for chrooting but chroot is giving error because of the file format, is there a way i can change to 64 bit kernel at the Debian Live cd, but with the 64 bit live cd version i couldn't boot the live cd on xen |
| 08:59.19 | buhman | like update/upgrade/install/remove or any possible combination of those in 1 statement |
| 09:00.32 | streuner__ | via &&? |
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| 09:01.00 | streuner__ | like apt-get install foo && apt-get remove blah? |
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| 09:03.26 | vtts | buhman, check the manual for +, -, _ flags |
| 09:04.56 | vtts | e.g. "aptitude install nano-" would actualy remove it |
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| 09:10.14 | ogzy | a better question is i opened the server with 32 bit live Debian CD, how can i chroot to the 64 bit Squeeze installed on the disk? |
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| 09:13.22 | somiaj | ogzy: your kernel may not run the 64bit code if it is only 32bit. |
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| 09:15.33 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I use `screen` to connect to a remote console of a server via ttyS0 port. Is there any way so that I can send Ctrl+a key combination to the actual remote server instead of just the local `screen`? |
| 09:15.52 | petemc | ctl a a |
| 09:16.06 | hid3 | Oh, that way, thanks |
| 09:16.15 | ogzy | somiaj: how about debootstrap, may i use it for chroot? |
| 09:16.15 | hid3 | I bet it works for all other keys, right? |
| 09:16.20 | petemc | yes |
| 09:16.21 | hid3 | Like ctrl x x, e.g.? |
| 09:16.31 | hid3 | Thanks petemc! |
| 09:17.01 | somiaj | ogzy: what is it you are trying to do? debootstrap is for installing a new system. |
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| 09:18.22 | ogzy | somiaj: i opened the server with Debian Live, 2.6.32-5-486, i need to chroot to the Squeeze and fix mbr |
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| 09:18.43 | JIeH9I | Hello |
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| 09:19.13 | JIeH9I | dead of silence |
| 09:19.14 | somiaj | ogzy: get a 64 bit kernel so you can run the 64bit binaries -- or fix the mbr with the 32bit grub tools on your LIve boot |
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| 09:19.42 | ogzy | how can i fix the mbr with 32 bit tools without chrooting? |
| 09:20.03 | ogzy | somiaj: how can i fix the mbr with 32 bit tools without chrooting? |
| 09:20.04 | somiaj | read up on grub |
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| 09:20.19 | somiaj | I don't know the details, the chroot and grub-install scripts is the easiest |
| 09:20.33 | ogzy | somiaj: and i have 64 bit live cd also which is not booting |
| 09:20.35 | tdn | I am using hostapd to have my squeeze server be wifi AP. However, the network runs at 11mbit, but all hw connected should be able to run 54mbit. Why doesn't it run 54mbit then? How do I make it run 54mbit? |
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| 09:21.09 | somiaj | ogzy: well figure out why its not booting....you cannot run 64bit binaries on a 32bit kernel. The other way only works if your kernel has a 32bit inturipiter compiled into it. |
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| 09:21.33 | JIeH9I | ntrx hello |
| 09:21.35 | somiaj | ogzy: but you can run grub manually and install things from non standard places into the mbr |
| 09:21.37 | JIeH9I | ñîñóøêè |
| 09:21.38 | ntrx | :D |
| 09:21.41 | somiaj | ogzy: I jsut don't know how, read up on grub |
| 09:21.45 | JIeH9I | ïèñþíû |
| 09:21.53 | JIeH9I | suck my pussy |
| 09:22.10 | ntrx | h |
| 09:22.28 | JIeH9I | I am not fagget, but I like a man |
| 09:22.57 | JIeH9I | bit me, bit me |
| 09:23.07 | JIeH9I | çàäðîòû |
| 09:23.13 | babilen | !ops JIeH9I |
| 09:23.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: JIeH9I |
| 09:23.31 | JIeH9I | what a fuck ? |
| 09:23.41 | JIeH9I | ïð¸òñÿ ïîä °°°° Murderdolls - Die My Bride °°°° - [192Kbps] [3:10] |
| 09:23.43 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
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| 09:23.51 | babilen | ta! |
| 09:23.54 | peterS | np |
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| 09:31.25 | buhman | vtts: thanks |
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| 09:34.09 | metrix | the kernel image in unstable and stable/debian-backports does not have comedi drivers compiled in. After talking with users in the comedi mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/comedi_list/browse_thread/thread/c68f90083f7f76d3I decided I would file a bug to fix the issue and perform testing when the bug was fixed. My question is: under what packaged should I file the bug report? ... |
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| 09:36.12 | metrix | ...My first assumption was here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?include=subject%3Acomedi;dist=unstable;package=linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 09:36.12 | metrix | Any suggestions? |
| 09:38.23 | oldirty | derr... i would suggest complaining on the mailing list. that's not really a bug |
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| 09:38.38 | oldirty | more like a lack of features. |
| 09:39.11 | oldirty | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.51 | needle_ | NEWSFLASH: I AM THE MOST UNLIKEABLE PERSON IN THE WORLD. |
| 09:45.40 | metrix | ahh.. just noticed you can't create a bug report on that page... oops |
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| 09:45.56 | metrix | I am joining the list |
| 09:45.58 | metrix | thank you |
| 09:47.54 | babilen | ,versions comedi-source |
| 09:47.55 | judd | Package comedi-source on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.76+20080817cvs-1; sid: 0.7.76+20090411cvs-3; squeeze: 0.7.76+20090411cvs-3; wheezy: 0.7.76+20090411cvs-3 |
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| 09:48.32 | babilen | metrix: Have you installed that ^^ ? I am sure it give further instructions in the README.Debian on how to compile and use it. |
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| 09:54.14 | fas3r | hi |
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| 09:55.39 | fas3r | somebody have an idea about this error, my gateway crashed yesterday night if you can help me. http://pastebin.com/JnfAST9H |
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| 10:00.00 | metrix | babilen: yes I have. If you see the thread here: http://groups.google.com/group/comedi_list/t/c68f90083f7f76d3 it looks like the comedi-source package is to old to compile with the newer kernels |
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| 10:05.08 | babilen | metrix: Ok, you might want to file a wishlist bug against that package to inform the maintainer of the problem. Looks as if you have to fall back to a git snapshot for the while being. |
| 10:05.30 | Woet | goodmorning babilen :) |
| 10:05.36 | babilen | Morning :) |
| 10:09.40 | babilen | metrix: Ah, please take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=622339 -- Which kernel are you using? I have a comedi module on .39 |
| 10:10.26 | babilen | metrix: I assume that you are running squeeze and therefore suggest to install the .38 kernel from backports by following: |
| 10:10.29 | babilen | !bdo kernel |
| 10:10.30 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 See also <bdo kernel lenny>. |
| 10:10.57 | babilen | metrix: Replace 686 with amd64 in the last command if applicable. |
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| 10:12.08 | babilen | metrix: It would also be a good idea to check if you kernel already ships the modules (check "modinfo comedi") just in case the modules are already built for it. (I can't check right now, sorry) |
| 10:12.25 | babilen | pokes metrix |
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| 10:13.07 | math1 | bonjour |
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| 10:15.29 | math1 | Il y a t'il quelqu'un qui pourrait me renseigner sur un problème de compilation de module PERL via CPAN ? |
| 10:15.44 | Woet | math1: please speak english or join #debianfr |
| 10:15.55 | math1 | no problem |
| 10:16.31 | math1 | does anyone can help me on a perl compilation problem |
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| 10:16.47 | math1 | through cpan |
| 10:16.55 | math1 | with cpan |
| 10:17.47 | math1 | it fails during compilation. |
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| 10:18.03 | math1 | The perl class is PHP::Interpreter |
| 10:18.43 | Woet | math1: and what are the error messages? |
| 10:19.17 | math1 | Can I past the compilation error here ? |
| 10:19.29 | Woet | no, please /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 10:23.20 | noo | hello. I have a debian lenny machine with KDE in front of me and it hangs on the shutdown. Can this be causes by copied .files in the home of the user? Is that possible? |
| 10:23.28 | metrix | Babilen: sorry, I keep stepping away from this thread. I installed the backports kernel 2.6.32 and the unstable 2.6.39. They both have a few of the comedi modules, but they do not have all of the comedi modules required for all hardware |
| 10:24.02 | metrix | linux-image-2.6-2.6.38-2-686 only includes comedi.ko, 8255.ko and pcm_common.ko. |
| 10:24.11 | babilen | metrix: which Debian relrease are you on? |
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| 10:24.23 | metrix | I just went back to Debian stable |
| 10:24.40 | metrix | I used the backport kernel, and tried unstable also |
| 10:24.41 | babilen | Why do you get .32 from backports then? |
| 10:25.02 | babilen | Ok, but your particular hardware is not supported by the comedi module? |
| 10:25.29 | metrix | it is in stable, but not in unstable or backports |
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| 10:26.25 | metrix | and the .32 may have been a mistake on my part, I went to packages.debian, stable and pulled the first linux-image*686 that came up under backports |
| 10:26.27 | babilen | And you are afraid that it won't be supported in upcoming releases? |
| 10:26.52 | babilen | So it works on Squeeze, but not if you use one of the newer kernels? |
| 10:27.00 | metrix | yes, I want to make sure that it the module is in there for the next release |
| 10:27.02 | metrix | correct |
| 10:27.35 | metrix | from the comedi thread I was on: |
| 10:27.42 | metrix | You might as well ask for all comedi config options to be selected. I suspect the problem arose because the kernel config options for changed to give finer control over the comedi driver selection. A simple "make oldconfig" with a kernel .config from an earlier kernel would have deselected most of the comedi stuff by default. |
| 10:28.59 | babilen | metrix: In that case I file a bug against linux-2.6 (or the particular kernel package you use), probably with severity normal in which you explain the situation (best say exactly which options are new and which need to be enabled) ... |
| 10:29.19 | babilen | !tell metrix about reportbug |
| 10:29.57 | metrix | I see |
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| 10:30.55 | metrix | so I probably need to dowload linux-image-src, and go through the config so that I know what modules need to be added. |
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| 10:32.08 | babilen | Can't you run the kernel in Squeeze for the time being? |
| 10:32.28 | metrix | yes, I can |
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| 10:33.29 | metrix | I am just trying to help out with the next version of Debian. |
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| 10:41.31 | babilen | metrix: Sure, much appreciated. I would also recommend to write a short description right now (hardware foo is not supported by comodi because BAR, BAZ and QUZ are not set in the kernel config) paste it and bring it up in #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:42.09 | babilen | metrix: They can probably give you faster feedback on what is needed, why the kernel configuration is the way it is and what can be done. Filing a bug would still be a very good idea though. |
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| 10:47.44 | Gump | #debian, i have been having problems with flashplugin-nonfree for weeks. i get extremely poor performance, to the point where any flash video, regardless of complexity, causes the browser tab to become unstable |
| 10:47.50 | Gump | is there a solution to this problem? |
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| 10:49.26 | fas3r | Hi |
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| 10:49.49 | math1 | Woet > http://pastebin.com/uey5i3dk |
| 10:50.01 | fas3r | Is it possible to "chroot" iptables rules ? (like create a different firewall rules for each user) |
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| 10:50.51 | Gump | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEvWKL_yk5M |
| 10:51.26 | Gump | anyone else have problems with the flashplugin? |
| 10:52.18 | Woet | fas3r: as in, allow a user to create iptables rules? |
| 10:52.23 | Woet | or limit based on unix uer? |
| 10:52.25 | Woet | user * |
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| 10:53.18 | Bushmills | fas3r: you can trick it, by giving each user an own custom chain, and allowing users to customize that one, by writing their config to a file which is then incorporated by a root process or script. |
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| 10:56.03 | Bushmills | general idea and framework for this would be st like http://scarydevilmonastery.net/vserver/ |
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| 10:57.04 | fas3r | Bushmills: so that means i can create a iptables script for each user and each users can load iptables modules with different parameter and it will not affect the others rules ? (for example the modules nf_conntrack_ftp) |
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| 10:57.50 | Bushmills | "each users can load iptables modules" - no |
| 10:58.54 | fas3r | Bushmills: so i need to unload / load the module all times and add the new parameters ? |
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| 10:59.46 | Bushmills | users won't be able to load netfilter modules |
| 11:00.22 | fas3r | because my problem is my users can define our own rules via a webpage, my problem is if they want to create an FTP on an other port than 21, i need to define it with modprobe. |
| 11:00.47 | fas3r | so my question is should i unload, load the modules everytime ? |
| 11:00.55 | fas3r | to give the good parameter |
| 11:01.34 | oldirty | fas3r, it sounds like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what iptables does. |
| 11:01.37 | fas3r | for example: modprobe nf_conntrack_ftp ports=21,2121,2170 |
| 11:02.11 | Bushmills | if you need a module to be loaded, you will have to load it. |
| 11:02.18 | fas3r | Bushmills: yes |
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| 11:03.24 | fas3r | Bushmills: but if i need to add a new parameter i need to unload / load it everytime ? or i can do just execute modprobe and it will add the new parameter ? |
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| 11:04.38 | Gump | how come iceweisel loads pages so much slower than chrome? |
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| 11:27.14 | thewanderer1 | hi, I'm getting this error on an SSH client: "buffer_get_ret: trying to get more bytes 4 than in buffer 0". however, there is NO authorized_keys file. any hints? |
| 11:27.51 | thewanderer1 | also, the destination host has two IP addresses - it works on one address, but returns this buffer error on the other. |
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| 11:28.52 | thewanderer1 | oh hm. alien host! |
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| 11:31.44 | Gump | #debian, mind taking a look? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=65009&p=374206#p374206 |
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| 11:32.41 | ksk | no one likes flash. sorry :( |
| 11:32.54 | streuner__ | well, most of non-open source plugins just sucks? |
| 11:32.55 | flash__ | :( |
| 11:33.45 | Gump | dude...like half the internet uses flash |
| 11:33.53 | Gump | i seriously cant use debian if flash doesn't work |
| 11:34.07 | Gump | it's not the plugin either. the same plugin worked under ubuntu |
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| 11:35.12 | aill | is there a way to see what a program is sending via ssh? like spy on it |
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| 11:36.06 | Gump | streuner__, what would you suggest as a open source flashplayer? gnash sucks worse than the nonfree flashplayer |
| 11:36.23 | streuner__ | sure |
| 11:36.52 | Gump | ? |
| 11:37.15 | streuner__ | gnash didnt work for me very well in the past. true. |
| 11:37.40 | Gump | streuner__, so what do you do? i can use html5 player for about half the videos on youtube, but not ones with ads |
| 11:37.49 | Gump | and what about flash everywhere else? |
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| 11:38.40 | unicstar_ | aill: you can sniff the ssh traffic but you will only see some meaningless bits going |
| 11:38.47 | aill | i see |
| 11:39.01 | aill | is there a way to see what the local program i want to spy on sends to it before it gets mangled? |
| 11:39.08 | aill | im spying on rsync |
| 11:39.15 | aill | i want to see how it works (commands it sends) |
| 11:39.28 | oldirty | aill, strace |
| 11:39.36 | aill | strace eh thanks ill look into it |
| 11:39.41 | aill | could you give me the basic syntax oldirty? |
| 11:40.12 | oldirty | aill, 'strace -s$stringsize -F(to follow forks) -p$pid' |
| 11:40.51 | oldirty | i usually do -Ff, though it might be redundant on some systems... my strace voodoo is lacking |
| 11:40.51 | unicstar_ | !tell aill about strace |
| 11:41.12 | oldirty | :O |
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| 11:42.13 | gnugr | Gump: do you have contrib and non-free in your sources.list? |
| 11:42.26 | Gump | gnugr, yes |
| 11:42.40 | oldirty | the non-free plugin works like a charm for me at work |
| 11:42.45 | aill | oldirty is there a way to strace a program from the get-go? |
| 11:43.07 | Gump | oldirty, yes. it seems to do so for everyone but me. that's why this issue is so hard to troubleshoot |
| 11:43.12 | oldirty | 'strace -Ffs2048 /path/program -args' |
| 11:43.13 | streuner__ | oldirty: what kind of CPU do you have there? |
| 11:43.14 | gnugr | Gump: add also backports ( /msg dpkg bpo ) |
| 11:43.24 | Gump | done already |
| 11:43.31 | oldirty | Phenom 960 quadcore |
| 11:43.49 | streuner__ | it works like a charm here too, but after about 5 min. i have about 99 C. CPU temp. :-) |
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| 11:44.05 | oldirty | Gump, streuner__, are you guys using Iceape? |
| 11:44.10 | Gump | streuner__, sounds like my computer before i cleaned the fan lol |
| 11:44.12 | streuner__ | that explains it then, 1.6 Ghz Celeron |
| 11:44.17 | Gump | oldirty, iceape? |
| 11:44.20 | streuner__ | oldirty: firecrap |
| 11:44.26 | streuner__ | iceweasel |
| 11:44.30 | Gump | i'm using chrome and iceweasel |
| 11:44.32 | Gump | neither work |
| 11:44.38 | streuner__ | !iceape |
| 11:44.38 | dpkg | The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded <SeaMonkey> Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Application Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. See <iceape lenny>. |
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| 11:44.49 | gnugr | Gump: you mean you didn't find in your synaptic flashplugin non-free to install? |
| 11:45.13 | Gump | gnugr, i did. i installed it from synaptic, from terminal, from the adobe website, and manually. nothing worked |
| 11:45.18 | Gump | it still performs terribly |
| 11:45.41 | Gump | all three packages. but they're all the same thing supposedly |
| 11:47.01 | streuner__ | well, the plugin need plenty of performance, a known problem here too. |
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| 11:47.32 | Gump | streuner__, no. my system isn't even breathing hard. the cpu never goes above 30% |
| 11:47.36 | Gump | its not my hardware |
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| 11:48.12 | streuner__ | Gump: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say, btw? |
| 11:48.37 | Gump | ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:49.01 | streuner__ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 11:49.04 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-4; wheezy: 2.13-4 |
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| 11:50.21 | gnugr | flashplugin works fine with my squeeze |
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| 11:50.45 | Gump | flashplugin sucks on my squeeze >.< |
| 11:51.16 | Gump | the weird thing is, when i set the browser priority to maximum, the performance DOES improve. but it still doesn't use more than 30% of my cpu |
| 11:51.23 | Gump | its like something is limiting the resources flash can use |
| 11:51.48 | gnugr | Gump: you might need drivers for your card |
| 11:52.07 | abrotman | maybe he's on a P150? |
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| 11:52.26 | Gump | gnugr, already got them. drivers are updated and current. this problem presents with hardware acceleration turned off as well |
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| 11:53.16 | streuner__ | "My system specs are: 1.83GHz duel core intel centrino processor, 3GB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600. Nothing fancy, but flash player performs as flawlessly as flashplayer can under windows (and also performed well in my previous Ubuntu 10.04LL install)." |
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| 11:54.31 | gnugr | Radeon chipsets needs "fglrx" drivers |
| 11:54.45 | gnugr | !fglrx dkms |
| 11:54.46 | dpkg | [fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf". |
| 11:54.52 | Gump | i have the proprietary drivers installed |
| 11:56.01 | gnugr | puzzles |
| 11:56.18 | abrotman | did anyone ask if it's always the same page? |
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| 11:57.09 | Gump | abrotman, it presents on any flash file. video, game, regardless |
| 11:57.36 | abrotman | wonders who else just got spammed |
| 11:57.45 | Gump | me |
| 11:58.10 | abrotman | by who? Sailo____ ? |
| 11:58.23 | Gump | yep |
| 11:58.24 | gnugr | got it too |
| 11:58.34 | gnugr | kick him |
| 11:58.51 | abrotman | he's not here |
| 11:59.09 | Gump | continues to pound head on desk |
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| 11:59.33 | gnugr | Gump: use a pilow |
| 11:59.38 | Gump | is there a way i can double check that my graphics drivers are current? |
| 12:00.47 | gnugr | Gump: try once " dmesg | more " and pastebin to us |
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| 12:01.34 | Gump | http://pastebin.com/p5FSNXQj |
| 12:01.39 | Gump | gnugr |
| 12:01.39 | gnugr | ty |
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| 12:03.26 | debuggerboy | hello |
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| 12:03.42 | Gump | gnugr, anything? |
| 12:04.11 | gnugr | seems ok |
| 12:04.20 | gnugr | all working fine |
| 12:04.25 | Gump | le ffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 12:04.30 | debuggerboy | Do Debian squeeze support AMD fusion processors? |
| 12:04.43 | debuggerboy | or if the support in incomplete at this time? |
| 12:04.54 | abrotman | debuggerboy: are they x86? |
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| 12:05.16 | debuggerboy | abrotman: I believe it should be a x86 |
| 12:05.58 | abrotman | debuggerboy: seems like it should work then |
| 12:06.58 | aill | olddirty when strace ends immediately whats that mean? |
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| 12:07.08 | zaikxtox | debuggerboy, if you want better support |
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| 12:07.17 | zaikxtox | have to compile kernel 2.6.38 or greater |
| 12:07.35 | zaikxtox | (i thing it's now going to be 3.0... so 2.6.38 is ok) |
| 12:07.45 | oldirty | aill, what were the last few messages it sent? |
| 12:07.53 | aill | nothing |
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| 12:07.58 | aill | i just connect and immediate prompt again |
| 12:08.13 | zaikxtox | that for using the APU improvements in AMD fusion |
| 12:08.17 | babilen | zaikxtox: You can install 2.6.38 from backports -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel -- If you want to compile it yourself follow "/msg dpkg kp" |
| 12:08.23 | debuggerboy | zaikxtox : my plan to to move my aging debian internet GW to one of AMD Fusion |
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| 12:09.05 | debuggerboy | But I am afaid .... I dont have any idea about what is an AMD fusion. |
| 12:09.10 | zaikxtox | thanks a lot babilen . anyway compiling kernels it's quite simple today. i have compiled my realtime patched kernel without any trouble |
| 12:09.48 | mentman | is this were i can ask questions about windows 7 |
| 12:09.51 | mentman | ? |
| 12:09.52 | debuggerboy | any one here already use an AMD fusion? |
| 12:10.01 | zaikxtox | debuggerboy, seems to be the amd response to the intel atom processors... |
| 12:10.05 | babilen | zaikxtox: Sure, do whatever you please. |
| 12:10.07 | gnugr | Gump: would you like to add backports in sources.list and try with new kernel? |
| 12:10.26 | LjL | mentman: no |
| 12:10.35 | mentman | Darn |
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| 12:11.02 | zaikxtox | debuggerboy, anyway you can run the stock 2.6.32 kernel of debian 6, but will miss some marketing features from amd, like apu's. |
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| 12:12.43 | debuggerboy | thanks zaikxtox |
| 12:12.50 | debuggerboy | thanks abrotman |
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| 12:17.16 | Gump | gnugr, yes ill give it a try |
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| 12:18.44 | babilen | Gump: Still working on the flash performance? Have you tried gnash in the meanwhile? It might actually give you a better user experience. I also take it that you've upgraded to the latest flash version and all that? |
| 12:18.53 | Gump | yes |
| 12:18.57 | Gump | and gnash is almost as bad |
| 12:19.07 | Gump | not to mention being buggy. it barely runs youtube, let alone anything else |
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| 12:19.35 | abrotman | though, you can use the html5 stuff on youtube |
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| 12:19.58 | babilen | I am aware of that, just wanted to mention it because it might have actually been a nicer experience than adobe's implementation. Hope a newer kernel helps, but well ... |
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| 12:20.29 | Gump | gnugr, just add "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" to sources.list? |
| 12:20.51 | gnugr | Gump: for amd : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64 |
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| 12:22.09 | stew | gnugr: wait why would you have him install the wheezy kernel instead of the backports kernel? |
| 12:22.50 | abrotman | has a guess .. |
| 12:23.24 | Gump | "W: Failed to fetch http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64/dists/squeeze-backports/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Sub-process /bin/bzip2 returned an error code (2)" |
| 12:23.45 | babilen | !tell Gump -about bdo kernel |
| 12:24.00 | babilen | gnugr: Or is there a specific reason for the wheezy kernel? |
| 12:24.27 | gnugr | babilen: he tried all options |
| 12:24.54 | gnugr | i suggested to try with new kernel |
| 12:25.02 | gnugr | it might works |
| 12:25.12 | babilen | Please elaborate (I just arrived) -- Gump installed and tried the backports kernel and still experiences the same problem? |
| 12:25.37 | Gump | babilen, not yet. i just added the wheezy backports to sources.list |
| 12:25.52 | Gump | what's next? should i install flashplugin-nonfree from the wheezy repo? |
| 12:25.56 | babilen | Gump: If you run amd64 (you do, don't you?) you have to replace the "686" with "amd64" in the last command in the "bdo kernel" factoid. |
| 12:26.01 | oldirty | Gump, check your /etc/apt/sources.list for typos. hint: you should have links to directories not files |
| 12:26.43 | babilen | Gump: Please show us your sources.list -- Or just follow http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ and run the "aptitude -t squeeze-...." command from the factoid. |
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| 12:27.04 | Gump | babilen, this look right? "deb http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64 wheezy-backports main contrib non-free" |
| 12:27.15 | abrotman | Gump: that is wrong |
| 12:27.21 | Gump | f*ck |
| 12:27.23 | oldirty | lose linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64 |
| 12:27.25 | stew | Gump: there is no such thing as wheezy backports. what version of debian are you running? wheezy or squeeze? |
| 12:27.28 | abrotman | oldirty: it's still wrong |
| 12:27.31 | babilen | Gump: No, it does not. Please have a look at the website I mentioned earlier and adjust your sources.list accordingly. |
| 12:27.34 | Gump | squeeze |
| 12:27.46 | oldirty | and just 'wheezy' not 'wheezy-backports' |
| 12:27.51 | abrotman | oldirty: stop already |
| 12:27.54 | stew | no, not wheezy at all |
| 12:28.05 | abrotman | he shouldn't use anything with the word 'wheezy' in it |
| 12:28.06 | stew | oldirty: see above, he's running squeeze not wheezy |
| 12:28.15 | oldirty | oh, sorry... |
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| 12:29.02 | Gump | alright, squeeze backport added, aptitude is updated |
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| 12:29.29 | Gump | should i remove flashplugin-nonfree and install it from the backport repo? |
| 12:29.49 | nocturnal | has anything upated in squeezed? because I'm running a netboot with the same preseed file from 5.08 and it's not running the rc2 script copied in by the preseed late_command? |
| 12:30.09 | babilen | Wonderful, can you try to install the linux-image now? The command has been sent to you by dpkg, make sure you replace 686 with amd64 if you run on amd64 (i seem to remember that you do) |
| 12:30.22 | Gump | yes, i do |
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| 12:32.52 | nocturnal | ok I think I found the issue now, in lenny the system would automatically reboot after preseed copied the first_boot.sh script over. now with squeeze, it won't reboot. I just had to do the reboot manually and the script was executed. has something changed here? should I explicitly tell it to reboot in preseed? |
| 12:33.11 | babilen | Gump: I am not convinced that this will have an influence on your flash performance though. We've tried different browser combinations, ran "update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbose --install" and verified that this version is used and not some (manually installed?) one already, or? |
| 12:33.23 | abrotman | nocturnal: doesn't the system reboot when it's done anyway? |
| 12:33.49 | Gump | babilen, yes, already done all of that |
| 12:35.13 | Gump | "dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64: |
| 12:35.13 | Gump | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.14 | Gump | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.14 | Gump | dkms: WARNING: linux headers are missing, which may explain the above failures. |
| 12:35.14 | Gump | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:35.30 | babilen | Gump: Another think I would try are different Live CDs (think Debian Live, Ubuntu, GRML, ..) and check there as well. It might have something to do with your setup or be actually related to your hardware. Did we play with graphic drivers/Xorg configuration yet? |
| 12:35.32 | Gump | my bad |
| 12:35.46 | babilen | Gump: Well, and the fix is mentioned in the error message. |
| 12:35.49 | Gump | babilen, no |
| 12:35.58 | buhman | for whatever reason, I'm having trouble building the apm module in kernel 3.0-rc1. So I tried make menuconfig and then disabled, it, and then the build process worked smoothly. The problem is that when I try to make-kpkg, it seems that the script is attempting to build the apm module anyway. Do I have to do anything special to make-kpkg to do what I want? |
| 12:36.21 | buhman | even more interestingly, it builds fine for me on x86_64, and this only happens for me when I try to build i686 |
| 12:37.53 | nocturnal | abrotman: it should, it used to on lenny but on squeeze it's not. either way I manually rebooted and there's clearly something wrong because the S99first_boot.sh script which is executable in /etc/rc2.d is not being executed. |
| 12:38.04 | Gump | aptitude is refusing ti install "sudo aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64". it says the package depends on a virtual package "linux-kbuild-2.6.38" |
| 12:38.10 | Gump | babilen, |
| 12:38.24 | gnugr | why sudo |
| 12:38.33 | Gump | wasn't running in a root terminal |
| 12:38.55 | babilen | Gump: If you want to install something from backports you have to pass the "-t squeeze-backports" options -- So make that "aptitude install -t squeeze-backports linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64" |
| 12:39.06 | Gump | thanks |
| 12:39.22 | Gump | babilen, same problem |
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| 12:39.41 | Gump | only solution aptitude lists is to not install it |
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| 12:40.39 | abrotman | Gump: hit 'n', see what the next suggestion is |
| 12:40.52 | gnugr | Gump: did you run " aptitude update " when you add backports? |
| 12:40.53 | stew | the kbuild was never backported, right? |
| 12:40.57 | Gump | "no more suggestions" abrotman |
| 12:41.01 | Gump | gnugr, yes |
| 12:41.03 | streuner__ | according to judd, no. |
| 12:41.04 | abrotman | stew: possibly |
| 12:41.16 | streuner__ | judd, versions linux-kbuild-2.6.38 |
| 12:41.16 | judd | Package linux-kbuild-2.6.38 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.6.38-1 |
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| 12:41.21 | stew | judd: depends linux-kbuild-2.6.38 --release wheezy |
| 12:41.22 | judd | Package linux-kbuild-2.6.38 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7). |
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| 12:41.47 | Gump | can i download the source somewhere and install it myself? |
| 12:41.54 | stew | so his options are to poach it or to build it himself |
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| 12:42.08 | streuner__ | or using testing |
| 12:42.31 | stew | i meant poach it from testing |
| 12:42.48 | gnugr | or he has missing modules |
| 12:43.04 | Gump | i downloaded the .deb "linux-kbuild-2.6.38", gonna try and install it |
| 12:43.55 | Gump | that did itr |
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| 12:44.52 | Gump | dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64: oss4 (4.2-build2003)...failed. fglrx (10-9)...failed. |
| 12:45.01 | Gump | that can't be good... |
| 12:45.07 | streuner__ | well |
| 12:45.21 | streuner__ | OSS4 is clear, ..2003 doesnt work with .38... |
| 12:45.37 | Gump | so i won't have audio or hardware graphics once i reboot? |
| 12:45.51 | streuner__ | 2003 worked till .32, but 2004 isnt packaged yet... |
| 12:46.21 | streuner__ | there is a package of OSS4, that shouldnt be a problem then (audio) |
| 12:46.32 | Gump | well... im gonna try rebooting... |
| 12:46.35 | Gump | crosses fingers |
| 12:46.36 | streuner__ | but i have no idea about fglrx |
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| 12:48.24 | streuner__ | but wait, did he install the headers yet? |
| 12:48.51 | jordanm | dkms should handle that automatically |
| 12:48.54 | jordanm | same with m-a |
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| 12:50.19 | Gump | it appears my graphics card and sound are down. sweet |
| 12:50.47 | streuner__ | Gump: what does "dpkg -l | grep -i linux-headers-2.6.38" say? |
| 12:51.11 | babilen | Gump: Two things: Make sure the headers are installed and switch to radeon/alsa for the time being. |
| 12:52.09 | Gump | ii linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 2.6.38-3~bpo60+1 Header files for Linux 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 ii linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-common 2.6.38-3~bpo60+1 Common header files for Linux 2.6.38-bpo.2 |
| 12:52.22 | Gump | @ streuner__ |
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| 12:53.29 | streuner__ | Gump: is there a special reason why do you use OSS4? If not, just follow the advice of babilen, that would solve the issue with a .38kernel |
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| 12:53.44 | streuner__ | (ALSA) |
| 12:53.49 | Gump | yes. alsa was giving me problems with my headphone/mic jacks. but i will give alsa another try |
| 12:53.59 | Gump | never installed alsa from scratch before. just aptitude install alsa? |
| 12:54.12 | babilen | !tell Gump about install alsa |
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| 12:58.06 | Gump | Strangelove, after removing oss4, and installing alsa, do i need to reboot? |
| 12:58.17 | Gump | * streuner__ |
| 12:58.28 | streuner__ | just reboot |
| 12:58.45 | Strangelove | wait,what? |
| 12:58.47 | babilen | Gump: You probably also want to move your xorg.conf somewhere else so radeon is used in lieu of fglrx |
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| 12:58.49 | Justin | alsa is part of the kernel, it's not a package |
| 12:59.22 | Justin | you'll want to install alsa-base though |
| 12:59.36 | Gump | done. rebooting brb |
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| 13:00.37 | streuner__ | Strangelove: typo... |
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| 13:05.38 | Gump | heh. well you're not gonna believe this, but updating the kernel fixed flashplayer |
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| 13:05.50 | gnugr | great |
| 13:05.59 | Gump | and with a new xorg.conf, the graphics card is up again |
| 13:06.18 | babilen | Gump: It might well be due to switching ossâalsa or fglrxâradeon ... But great nonetheless |
| 13:06.18 | Gump | now... if only i hadn't completely effed up alsa before i installed oss |
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| 13:06.46 | babilen | !tell Gump -about radeon |
| 13:06.46 | Gump | how can i purge all trace of alsa and oss, and reinstall alsa from scratch? |
| 13:06.56 | gnugr | you never mentioned that |
| 13:06.56 | streuner | Gump: forget that |
| 13:07.07 | streuner | Gump: http://www.opensound.com/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Applications_for_OSSv4#Adobe_Flash |
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| 13:07.31 | streuner | Gump: and just download the OSS4 deb package of opensound |
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| 13:07.46 | Gump | streuner, alright. thanks |
| 13:07.54 | babilen | Gump: (if not yet installed) you might want to consider pulling in firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 13:17.24 | Loonatic | Hi guys, in need to update openssh on my server but i do not want to lose my setting and config, is there any file that i should backup ?? |
| 13:17.46 | Justin | Loonatic: why do you need to upgrade openssh? |
| 13:17.56 | Loonatic | security bug issue |
| 13:18.02 | Justin | Loonatic: what security bug issue? |
| 13:18.58 | Loonatic | i'm running 5.5p1 and there is a bug annouced by a scan that i run that keep a compliance |
| 13:19.53 | jordanm | Loonatic: PCI scans only go by the upstream version. with distro packages they are often false positives that need to be reported to the scanning company |
| 13:19.58 | jordanm | Loonatic: what is the CVE? |
| 13:20.07 | Loonatic | 2011-0539 |
| 13:21.16 | jordanm | Loonatic: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-0539 |
| 13:21.20 | jordanm | !tracker of doom |
| 13:21.21 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/. Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 13:22.29 | Loonatic | yep that's the one |
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| 13:22.42 | jordanm | false positive on your scan |
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| 13:23.42 | Loonatic | sorry but how can you tell, i am bit of a newbie... |
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| 13:24.40 | jordanm | Loonatic: it says status "fixed" instead of vulnerbale in red letters... |
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| 13:25.57 | Loonatic | Ok i see what your saying, now i need to find how to notify them of a false positive |
| 13:26.01 | Loonatic | ok thanks jordanm |
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| 13:27.18 | stew | good luck with that :) |
| 13:27.34 | jordanm | Loonatic: show them the package version and link them to that page |
| 13:27.42 | jordanm | stew: I did it quite often on redhat systems |
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| 13:28.16 | jordanm | depending on the company, some required a screenshot of your terminal displaying the package version. most companies were not that strict though |
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| 13:34.13 | Gump | so. i rebooted with the new kernel and a moved xorg.conf, and i just got a screen of static. so i replaced the xorg.conf and my video card is back to not working but at least i can see |
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| 13:34.26 | Gump | how can i get a radeon card working under the latest kernel? |
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| 13:34.47 | dvs | Gump: Install the firmware-linux-nonfree packages? |
| 13:34.54 | Gump | yes |
| 13:35.21 | dvs | Gump: What video card? |
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| 13:35.41 | Gump | dvs, mobility radeon HD 2600 |
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| 13:36.05 | Gump | ati catalyst control center seems to think it is working, but its not. opengl apps wont launch, etc |
| 13:36.38 | dvs | Oh, you're using the fglrx driver |
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| 13:36.48 | SPow | Hi. My webserver has a memory problem : free -m says I have only 5 MB of RAM available, whereas top aux says the sum of the memory used by the running processes is less than a tenth of the actual 256 MB I have. If I restart the server it will in time reach the point where i'm at leaving a few MB of free RAM. How do I trace the leak ? |
| 13:36.50 | Gump | dvs, yes |
| 13:37.13 | dvs | Gump: OK, I'm just using the kernel drivers. I've never tried the fglrx ones. |
| 13:37.41 | Gump | how do i switch to the kernel drivers? they were kind of uncompatible with my card, but ill give them a shot |
| 13:37.54 | nocturnal | I just learned that in squeeze the sysv initd is more strict about symlinking scripts from rc2.d to init.d, that's fine with me because I had already assumed this and done so, but it still won't work! I have a ln -s /etc/init.d/firstboot /etc/rc2.d/S99firstboot and they're executable but they're not being run when I boot squeeze. runlevel is 2 |
| 13:38.05 | dvs | Gump: Huh? I have a Radeon HD4200 and it works fine. |
| 13:38.05 | nocturnal | running the script manually works fine obviously |
| 13:38.32 | Gump | dvs, i was having trouble with HDR lighting or something. but i will try it |
| 13:38.57 | dvs | Then again, I don't use the 3D features |
| 13:39.02 | Loonatic | Hey i'm back with another question, the security firm is asking me for a proof a the backport version via an rpm command... if i do rpm i get command not found... any tought ? |
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| 13:40.09 | LoRez | Loonatic: tell them to try again with dpkg |
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| 13:49.02 | nevyn | SPow: do things crash? |
| 13:49.13 | Gump | #debian, how can i switch from fglrx to the kernel drivers for my card? |
| 13:49.16 | nevyn | SPow: it's probably perfectly normal. |
| 13:49.20 | pipeline | SPow: if you are in fact leaking memory, don't worry about it: the leaked memory will get paged out to swap |
| 13:49.24 | SPow | nevyn: I actually got my response, it's disk caching |
| 13:49.36 | jhutchins_lt | nocturnal: Try doing it with something like rcconf. |
| 13:49.42 | pipeline | SPow: more likely you are just misinterpreting the meaning of free -m --- check the "+/- buffers cache" line, not the top line |
| 13:49.53 | SPow | pipeline: yep I failed to understand the free -m second line ;) |
| 13:50.12 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Gump about radeon |
| 13:50.19 | nevyn | wishes linux didn't report cache/buffers as in use. |
| 13:50.32 | nevyn | like every other os on the planet. |
| 13:50.41 | pipeline | nevyn: I think the "free" output is hella readable, and I like knowing how much is in use for disk cache |
| 13:50.46 | SPow | yeah RAM is actually a resource that's better used |
| 13:51.17 | nevyn | SPow: right. but eg. solaris doesn't report the disk case as in use memory in things like top and free |
| 13:51.25 | SPow | so disk caching makes sense, though it can be misinterpreted by newbies like me |
| 13:51.42 | nevyn | everyone does disk caching |
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| 13:51.49 | nevyn | windows, solaris, bsd etc |
| 13:52.05 | nevyn | just no-one except linux reports it as "used" memory |
| 13:52.13 | Gump | jhutchins, so if i remove fglrx, the kernel driver will automatically take over? |
| 13:52.20 | Justin | nevyn: "linux" does not report it as "used" memory |
| 13:52.28 | Justin | if you have a problem with top, don't use top |
| 13:52.36 | jhutchins_lt | Gump: no. |
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| 13:53.09 | Gump | jhutchins, mind expounding? |
| 13:53.16 | nevyn | Justin: even free reports it as used. |
| 13:53.34 | Justin | nevyn: free has 3 lines of output. |
| 13:53.45 | jhutchins_lt | Gump: See the message from dpkg. It includes links that explain how to do what you're trying to do. |
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| 13:54.00 | nocturnal | jhutchins_lt: I'm afraid I can't use a frontend in this situation because I'm netbooting squeeze and using a preseed file to fetch a first_boot.sh script. this is the script that refuses to run for me. |
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| 13:54.56 | nevyn | Justin: only recently. free -o was all that there was. at ome point |
| 13:54.56 | blueacd | hey #debian |
| 13:55.09 | Justin | nevyn: when, 1995? |
| 13:55.13 | nevyn | Justin: but this is just an irritating semantic. |
| 13:55.29 | pipeline | nevyn, Justin : I have never used a version of free that only had -o. So 1995 sounds about right. |
| 13:55.32 | nevyn | Justin: I think in 98 it the new ouput didn't exist. |
| 13:55.35 | nevyn | ;) |
| 13:56.17 | blueacd | rather longish question - I'm building a new server for home. got four 2TB drives on the way and was looking at RAID-5'ing them |
| 13:56.35 | blueacd | but then I noticed ZFS and its RAID-Z1 (so a clone-ish of RAID-5 but with ZFS's advantages) |
| 13:56.36 | nevyn | yes. |
| 13:56.45 | Justin | blueacd: just use raid10 for 4 drives |
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| 13:56.48 | blueacd | question is: am I wise to install vanilla debian and use ZFS-fuse |
| 13:57.02 | blueacd | or am I wiser to use gnu/kfreebsd |
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| 13:57.11 | Justin | blueacd: zfs only works on kfreebsd |
| 13:57.12 | blueacd | Justin: surely that leaves me with 4TB usable instead of 6TB? |
| 13:57.13 | nevyn | pipeline: well it didn't have -o it's just when you use free you got that output |
| 13:57.22 | blueacd | Justin: ie the use of RAID-10. |
| 13:57.22 | nevyn | blueacd: it does |
| 13:57.29 | nevyn | I'd do raid5 |
| 13:57.37 | blueacd | it's only for local storage; I'm happy to invest CPU into a RAID-5 alike |
| 13:57.45 | Justin | the problem with raid5 is not cpu usage |
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| 13:58.00 | Justin | it is that the chance of rebuilding the array after a single drive failure is not so good |
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| 13:58.09 | dvs | blue: RAID-5 is statistically not secure |
| 13:58.16 | dvs | with 2TB drives |
| 13:58.36 | blueacd | that's one reason I considered RAID-Z, as it'd keep tabs on everything (ie it'd check the parity on every read, not just first off) |
| 13:58.47 | blueacd | and, from what I gather, it sits reading the drives when idle to check everything's kosher |
| 13:59.00 | blueacd | although yeah the chance of a bit-error every 10^15 bytes is a bit of a pain |
| 13:59.17 | blueacd | although, I've got two external backups of the stuff I'll really miss, so I'm not hugely heartbroken if I lose the array |
| 13:59.25 | nevyn | raid 6 |
| 13:59.36 | nevyn | then you can add another drive |
| 13:59.56 | blueacd | yeh, raid 6 would req 5x2TB to give 6TB usable, but it could withstand two drive failures.. right? |
| 14:00.07 | blueacd | or, it could withstand one drive failure and guarantee (ish) a recovery |
| 14:00.19 | jelly | Justin: the worst choice of RAID solution is one you don't have experience with |
| 14:00.25 | nevyn | meh |
| 14:00.29 | nevyn | it's for HOME! |
| 14:00.49 | jelly | nevyn: so your data at home isn't important? |
| 14:00.50 | blueacd | heh, so yeah JBOD would do... so I guess anything more is just for fun |
| 14:01.02 | nevyn | jelly: not what's on the raid. |
| 14:01.19 | nevyn | (spools of downloaded movies and songs and the mythtv spool) |
| 14:01.23 | robokop | blueacd: can withstand two drive failures, and have a recovery, if no other drives fail during recovery |
| 14:01.23 | nevyn | don't get me wrong. |
| 14:01.27 | blueacd | well, all the important stuff is already in two other locations |
| 14:01.28 | nevyn | I'd be annoyed. |
| 14:01.32 | blueacd | robokop: ah that's what I meant |
| 14:01.50 | nevyn | but anythign I actually create is on github or google |
| 14:02.36 | blueacd | well, I figured that since I don't need this working asap I'd have a play with the various RAID levels |
| 14:02.57 | blueacd | so, in which case - going to download kfreebsd and see about getting it working (purely for the fun than anything else) |
| 14:03.03 | blueacd | test it out, see how easily I can make it stumble |
| 14:03.21 | blueacd | then finally when I'm all done faffing settle on RAID-Z, RAID-5 or RAID-10 (depending on which I finally decide upon!) |
| 14:03.25 | blueacd | and start to populate it |
| 14:03.29 | nevyn | raid6 |
| 14:03.32 | nevyn | and lvm |
| 14:03.38 | syockit | I can see that /etc/X11/Xsession.d is responsible for my X initialiazation, but if I want to add my own, can I use ~/.xinitrc? What is the order of execution? I can't find any files that sources ~/.xinitrc |
| 14:03.51 | blueacd | it's tempting, but I've already spent 250 notes on the four drives... the credit card is a little upset |
| 14:04.16 | blueacd | (would really like 6tb, heh) |
| 14:04.32 | blueacd | thanks though :) |
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| 14:04.50 | pipeline | nevyn: yeah that's what I mean -- I don't remember that at all |
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| 14:05.41 | Gump | #debian, the kernel drivers do not appear to work with my video card. i just get a screen full of static. the fglrx drivers do not appear to work with the latest backport kernel. what are my options? |
| 14:06.01 | Gump | can i compile the fglrx drivers myself? is there another way to use proprietary drivers? |
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| 14:07.30 | babilen | Gump: I thought radeon worked? |
| 14:07.51 | Gump | babilen, no. it gives me a screen full of static, with a square of static that moves with the cursor |
| 14:08.37 | babilen | Gump: You have installed firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri? Can you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 14:09.07 | babilen | Gump: How did you verify that flash is working earlier? |
| 14:09.39 | Gump | babilen, playing it in a browser. if i leave the xorg.conf file as is, it boots with motherboard graphics |
| 14:09.46 | nevyn | pipeline: I remember when -m wasn't the default definitly |
| 14:10.01 | nevyn | bleh |
| 14:10.13 | babilen | Gump: You mean it uses an intel card? But you want to use an ATI one that is also in your system? |
| 14:10.25 | babilen | Gump: How did you configure your system to use radeon now? |
| 14:10.38 | Gump | fglrx |
| 14:10.53 | Gump | i need to reboot. i booted to the old kernel to revert the xorg.conf, be right back |
| 14:10.58 | babilen | Gump: fglrx will not work -- I am talking about radeon. |
| 14:11.06 | babilen | !tell Gump about radeon |
| 14:11.11 | Gump | oh, i installed radeon using the directions from dpkg |
| 14:11.50 | Gump | nothing has an effect except changing the xorg.conf under devices to radeon |
| 14:12.05 | Gump | then the static is all i can see on the new kernel. brb rebooting |
| 14:12.23 | babilen | Gump: Yes, and is X configured to use it now? (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "radeon"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf) (you might have to give the pci port ... |
| 14:12.40 | babilen | Gump: Ok, please paste the requested information then. |
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| 14:13.33 | aminpy | how can I upgrade python in debian? |
| 14:13.48 | abrotman | from what, to what, which version of Debian ? |
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| 14:14.40 | aminpy | abrotman, how can I find my debian version? |
| 14:15.00 | aminpy | abrotman, my python version is 2.5 |
| 14:15.15 | aminpy | abrotman, I want upgrade it to 2.6 |
| 14:15.33 | daemonkeeper | dpkg -l |
| 14:15.33 | dpkg | daemonkeeper: i don't know |
| 14:15.43 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: screw you |
| 14:15.43 | dpkg | no thanks |
| 14:15.46 | daemonkeeper | :p |
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| 14:15.52 | dvs | ha! |
| 14:16.03 | babilen | aminpy: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? |
| 14:16.20 | aminpy | babilen, 5.0 |
| 14:17.07 | babilen | aminpy: I would recommend to upgrade your system to the current stable release (i.e. squeeze) by following the release notes (/msg dpkg squeeze release notes). Or do you have a particular reason for using lenny? (5.0) |
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| 14:17.33 | aminpy | babilen, no it is my vps os |
| 14:18.23 | babilen | aminpy: What does "uname -a" give you? Do you know if you can upgrade to a newer Debian version? That will, among a bunch of other things, give you access to py2.6 as well. |
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| 14:18.38 | aminpy | Linux debaminpy 2.6.18-238.5.1.el5.028stab085.3 #1 SMP Mon Mar 21 20:05:12 MSK 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:18.41 | aminpy | babilen, ^ |
| 14:19.04 | ectospasm | try "cat /etc/issue" to find the Debian version |
| 14:19.11 | babilen | What is it with all these horribly outdated VPSs? |
| 14:19.13 | Gump | babilen, i'm back in the latest backport kernel. what output did you want me to paste again? |
| 14:20.03 | babilen | Gump: "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net along with your current xorg.conf or files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 14:20.41 | aminpy | so, is it possible to upgrade my python for now? |
| 14:21.11 | babilen | aminpy: Well, I am not sure if you can upgrade to a newer version (talk to your VPS provider). That kernel is ancient and I would recommend to upgrade to a new one. For the time being you could compile python yourself and install it to /usr/local (/msg dpkg usrlocal -- /msg dpkg stow) |
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| 14:21.59 | aminpy | babilen, what's the debian stable version now? |
| 14:22.13 | aminpy | babilen, and kernel? |
| 14:22.19 | babilen | aminpy: Debian Squeeze 6.0.1 |
| 14:22.24 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 14:22.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-1-686-pae (2.6.39-1); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 14:22.29 | babilen | aminpy: 2.6.32 |
| 14:23.03 | Gump | babilen, http://pastebin.com/Bd1hVkuy |
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| 14:23.18 | babilen | aminpy: But given that you are not even using the kernel version on lenny, your VPS provider might have done some black magic that is needed. Talk to their support. |
| 14:23.41 | aminpy | babilen, thanks |
| 14:24.13 | jordanm | babilen: that's not black magic |
| 14:24.37 | babilen | Gump: That is using the fglrx -- Do you use a /etc/X11/xorg.conf or a device specific file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/? |
| 14:24.41 | jordanm | babilen: aminpy: that is standard openvz/virtuozzo. the VM is not a real virtual machine. its basically a chroot on a RHEL/Centos box |
| 14:25.14 | jordanm | babilen: meaning the .18 kernel is fine, but can have unusual issues |
| 14:25.14 | babilen | jordanm: I know (very little black magic around these days), but thanks for providing more technical information. |
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| 14:25.50 | Gump | babilen, yes its using fglrx. if i try to use radeon, i get static, and thus cannot run any terminal commands. wat do? |
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| 14:26.12 | Gump | !ping |
| 14:26.12 | dpkg | pong |
| 14:26.13 | babilen | Gump: be that as it may, please move your X configuration files somewhere else and run (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "radeon"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf) |
| 14:26.39 | Gump | babilen, move the whole X11 folder? |
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| 14:27.12 | babilen | Gump: I want to see what happens if you use radeon. |
| 14:27.23 | babilen | Gump: No, move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 14:28.08 | babilen | Gump: Or remove the Monitor and Screen sections from the one you are using right now. |
| 14:28.38 | babilen | Gump: You might have to specify the BusID as in your example in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf, but lets try without it first. |
| 14:29.22 | Gump | babilen, bash: syntax error near unexpected token `mkdir' |
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| 14:30.36 | babilen | Gump: what did you run exactly? (you removed the "(" and ")" yes?) |
| 14:31.13 | Gump | eh...hehehe. nvm |
| 14:31.33 | Gump | ok, that's done. now edit the xorg.conf to remove screen and monitor? |
| 14:31.50 | babilen | Gump: No, move it somewhere else (or remove it) |
| 14:32.08 | Gump | alright, done. |
| 14:32.09 | Gump | reboot? |
| 14:32.23 | babilen | Gump: You *might* want to add the BusID option you have in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the Device section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf though |
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| 14:32.35 | babilen | Gump: Either reboot or restart X |
| 14:32.54 | syockit | Is ~/.xinitrc never used? |
| 14:33.18 | nocturnal | I think I found the root of my rc2.d issues in squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts I did not expect this but apparently you can't just stick any old script in there ad since I'm netbooting using preseed I think the best solution would be to actually LSBize the script. |
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| 14:34.00 | babilen | syockit: Just use ~/.xsession (will work for startx and session managers) -- Read "man 1 startx" |
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| 14:34.28 | Iridos | !tell syockit -about .xinitrc |
| 14:35.02 | Iridos | babilen, we got that canned (and actually I read that myself with interest :-P ) |
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| 14:35.26 | babilen | But, but ... I am more than a bot jockey ;) |
| 14:35.34 | syockit | babilen: I need to execute at the end of the script list. /etc/X11/xsession sources ~/.xsession before the window manager is exec, thus I can't add my autostart app |
| 14:35.36 | Iridos | ha |
| 14:35.50 | Vava | hello |
| 14:35.58 | Iridos | babilen, did ya just call me a bot jockey? Want to go outside to fight it out?! |
| 14:36.22 | Vava | hello |
| 14:36.40 | Vava | hello |
| 14:36.47 | Iridos | I think you said that |
| 14:36.47 | babilen | syockit: Why not? I've been using ~/.xsession for years with "exec $WM" at the end ... (replace $WM with wm of choice) |
| 14:36.56 | Vava | Are you there? |
| 14:37.02 | babilen | Vava: Do you have a Debian related question we can help you with? |
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| 14:37.40 | Vava | Yes.. I like Linux and all its versions |
| 14:37.40 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:37.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:38.20 | Vava | Is Ubuntu 11.04 is good? |
| 14:38.34 | jelly | Vava: ask that in #ubuntu or ##Linux channel, please |
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| 14:38.45 | syockit | babilen: in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/, the last thing to be executed is "exec $STARTUP", which will include x-window-manager. wouldn't putting exec $WM in ~/.xsession make it redundant? |
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| 14:39.01 | Gump | babilen, got static again. i'm back in the old kernel |
| 14:39.26 | Vava | Do you see my question? |
| 14:39.31 | dvs | Gump: What do you mean by the old and new kernel? |
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| 14:39.42 | dvs | !tell Vava about ubuntu |
| 14:39.52 | babilen | Vava: This is a Debian channel and we try to support users of Debian. You are welcome to try it and you can find out how to install it by reading: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual -- Ubuntu is a different distribution supported in #ubuntu and you might want to ask there for Ubuntu help. Ubuntu is, just like Debian, quite good, but we in here prefer Debian for various reasons. |
| 14:40.04 | Vava | Can you explain about Kernel? |
| 14:40.18 | Gump | dvs, the old kernel being the latest stable kernel, the new one being the latest backport kernel |
| 14:40.33 | jelly | Vava: for general Linux question, please join and use the channel ##linux |
| 14:40.35 | Vava | Ok |
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| 14:41.40 | babilen | Gump: Yes, can you show me the xorg.0.log for the time when you get the static? (that was the whole point of the exercise!) |
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| 14:44.38 | Gump | babilen, i have a xorg.0.log and a xorg.1.log. would it be the most recent one? |
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| 14:45.35 | Gump | nvm i found it. one is fglrx the other is radeon |
| 14:45.39 | babilen | Gump: Have you started X after the reboot? (i.e. after the static run) |
| 14:46.21 | Gump | ...i have no idea. couldnt see anything. i can probably log in blind though, should i do that? |
| 14:46.21 | babilen | Gump: The 0 and 1 indicate that two different X server were started (not necessarily at the same time) |
| 14:46.33 | Gump | http://pastebin.com/YLApn2xD |
| 14:46.37 | babilen | Gump: No, I want to see the according Xorg.*.log |
| 14:46.38 | Gump | that is the radeon log |
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| 14:51.18 | babilen | Gump: thanks, one sec |
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| 14:51.31 | Gump | roger |
| 14:52.37 | babilen | Gump: that is with the old or new kernel? Something is fishy there (e.g. line 705) but I can't quite put my finger on it. |
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| 14:53.29 | Gump | babilen, i am currently in the old kernel. was this file generated in the new or old one? how can i tell? |
| 14:53.54 | Gump | should i delete it, reboot to the new kernel, log in, then restart in safemode, and rename it so it doesnt get overwritten? |
| 14:54.11 | Gump | *recovery mode |
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| 14:55.12 | babilen | Two questions: Have you ever installed fglrx from *non* Debian sources? Can you try the same thing with the old/new kernel + BusID in the Device section? |
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| 14:55.51 | Gump | no. this is a fresh install of debian, and i installed fglrx from the non-free repositories |
| 14:55.54 | Gump | iirc |
| 14:55.57 | babilen | Ok |
| 14:56.14 | Gump | and what do you mean try the same thing? sorry |
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| 14:56.39 | babilen | "the same thing" == start X and test. |
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| 14:57.04 | Gump | "+ BusID in the Device section"? |
| 14:57.14 | babilen | Ok, we have established that you do not see any flash problems when you use the Intel card on the new kernel, what about intel on the old kernel? |
| 14:57.15 | Gump | you mean put the pci id in the xorg.conf? |
| 14:57.33 | Gump | babilen, flash works in the old kernel as well now |
| 14:57.51 | babilen | Gump: If you look at the xorg.conf you had before you'll see that it specified a BusID that is not present in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf you are using now. |
| 14:58.06 | babilen | Gump: But *only* when you use the intel card? |
| 14:58.10 | Gump | right. so add it, then reboot to new kernel? k |
| 14:58.14 | Gump | babilen, yes. |
| 14:58.34 | babilen | Gump: And radeon does not work with either the new or the old kernel? |
| 14:59.05 | Gump | babilen, correct. on the old one it just boots with the intel chip, on the new one its just static |
| 14:59.12 | babilen | This might very well be due to some strange switchable graphics thing -- Can you actually disable the intel card in your BIOS? |
| 14:59.41 | babilen | Gump: The configuration you have now should use radeon on the old kernel too. Can you try it there as well? |
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| 14:59.57 | babilen | Gump: There are just so many variables right now, that it is hard to keep track :-) |
| 15:00.08 | Gump | babilen, sorry. thanks for helping me |
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| 15:01.15 | babilen | Gump: yeah, no problem. I would like to take the new kernel out of the equation as I have the feeling that it is rather due to intel vs radeon vs fglrx. |
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| 15:01.47 | Gump | babilen, alright. i'm in the old kernel. do i need to bother removing the new one for now? |
| 15:02.11 | Gump | i also updated the xorgt.conf.d 20-radeon.conf to include the bus |
| 15:03.08 | babilen | Gump: You can remove it, or leave it. Ok, restart Xorg again and check if that works better. |
| 15:03.26 | Gump | is there a simple way to restart xorg without writing a batch script? |
| 15:04.26 | Gump | ctrl+alt+bksps does nothing |
| 15:04.31 | Gump | meh. guess ill just reboot |
| 15:04.41 | babilen | Gump: do you use a login manager? If so, change to the console (ctrl-alt-f1) and run "service gdm restart" there (or kdm/xdm/slim/...) |
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| 15:07.24 | mikygee | hello |
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| 15:08.18 | chrissbx | I need the loop driver to "dissect" a file containing a partition table (i.e. create separate devices for each partition in the file); I know I can do that by loading the loop driver with a parameter. |
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| 15:08.31 | mikygee | i would like to know if someone uses netflow |
| 15:08.41 | chrissbx | But now I'm running off a live image, and the live image loaded the driver without that argument and obviously I cannot unload it. |
| 15:08.42 | Justin | mikygee: lots of people use netflow |
| 15:08.52 | chrissbx | So is there any way to change the settings while the driver is loaded? |
| 15:09.08 | Gump___ | babilen, no good. opengl still doesn't work, i believe it is still running off of the intel chip |
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| 15:09.22 | mikygee | Justin thank you, I have a netflow file but i don't understand how to visualise it |
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| 15:09.54 | babilen | Gump: "glxinfo" + xorg.log -> http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:09.56 | Justin | a netflow file? |
| 15:09.58 | mikygee | Justin I have a text program called flow-reader and i can see my file contains data |
| 15:10.13 | mikygee | Justin yes on the collector |
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| 15:10.31 | Justin | what is flow-reader part of? |
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| 15:10.42 | mikygee | Justin flow-tools |
| 15:12.07 | gnugr | babilen: i've also Radeon 9600 RV350 and with new kernel fglrx is off ( was on with old kernel), flashpluing-non-free works fine graphics as well |
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| 15:12.56 | babilen | gnugr: yeah, my intuition too. Might be due to some "switchable graphic" something. But *shrug*. |
| 15:13.26 | Gump | babilen, http://pastebin.com/htvHGKrM |
| 15:13.29 | wols | babilen: which "new" kernel is he running? |
| 15:13.35 | babilen | gnugr: You might want to help gump to recreate your setup. It might also be worth a try to disable the intel card in the BIOS |
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| 15:13.44 | babilen | wols: backported one |
| 15:13.58 | Gump | if i disable the intel card, then i might not be able to get into gnome anymore |
| 15:14.00 | Justin | mikygee: use flow-stat? |
| 15:14.05 | Gump | *chip |
| 15:14.09 | gnugr | kernel does it automaticaly |
| 15:14.28 | wols | babilen: and he has a notebook with intel and ati graphics? |
| 15:14.36 | babilen | wols: apparently, but ask Gump |
| 15:14.37 | Gump | its a gaming laptop |
| 15:14.42 | gnugr | i never did nothing more/less |
| 15:14.51 | Gump | glxinfo says "segmentation fault" |
| 15:15.00 | gnugr | system do all bt auto |
| 15:15.07 | gnugr | by* |
| 15:15.24 | babilen | yes, i've seen it -- line 710 (inter alia) is also interesting. I'm out for a C+C and brb |
| 15:15.36 | Gump | babilen, thanks for the help |
| 15:15.37 | wols | My T400 has intel gma4500 and a ati 3470. similar problems with the backports kernel. it needs the firmware for the radeon or black screen. squeeze kernel is fine |
| 15:16.00 | mikygee | Justin it gives me an error |
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| 15:16.25 | Gump | wols, i am having problems with the radeon kernel driver on both the backport and the stable kernel |
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| 15:16.28 | mikygee | Justin # flow-stat -f 8 < flowd |
| 15:16.28 | mikygee | flow-stat: ftiheader_read(): Warning, bad magic number |
| 15:16.28 | babilen | wols: firmware from wheezy? |
| 15:16.33 | babilen | ok, brb |
| 15:16.37 | Justin | mikygee: what is 'flowd' ? |
| 15:16.45 | mikygee | Justin my file |
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| 15:16.54 | Justin | mikygee: what kind of file does 'file' say it is? |
| 15:17.16 | mikygee | Justin gloops |
| 15:17.18 | mikygee | # file flowd |
| 15:17.18 | mikygee | flowd: Atari ST M68K non-contig executable (txt=16391, dat=-89240420, bss=-1159135230, sym=-2085093359) |
| 15:17.25 | wols | babilen: from squeeze. firmware is hardware specific. all the same for this videocard |
| 15:18.21 | Justin | mikygee: oh, you are supposed to pipe flow-cat to flow-stat |
| 15:18.26 | Justin | flow-tools is a bit weird |
| 15:18.30 | Justin | I just use nfdump, it's a lot simpler |
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| 15:19.17 | mikygee | Justin I installed nfdump too |
| 15:19.46 | mikygee | Justin but I have my collector which is called flowd (the program) |
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| 15:20.04 | Justin | mikygee: I suggest learning how to use flow-tools then... |
| 15:20.46 | mikygee | # flowd-reader flowd | head -1 |
| 15:20.47 | mikygee | FLOW recv_time 2010-09-24T16:51:21.164792 proto 17 tcpflags 00 tos 00 agent [127.0.0.1] src [192.168.99.253]:20399 dst [212.27.40.240]:53 packets 1 octets 53 |
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| 15:21.25 | mikygee | Justin none of the examples that i found work except that one |
| 15:21.28 | Justin | mikygee: flowd and flow-tools are two different programs |
| 15:22.10 | mikygee | Justin I use flowd as a daemon, to listen and write inside a file that i called flowd too |
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| 15:22.28 | mikygee | Justin I assume collecting data works |
| 15:22.29 | Justin | mikygee: that's nice. you can't use flow-tools programs with flowd capture files |
| 15:22.42 | mikygee | Justin ahhh |
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| 15:22.53 | Justin | flowd also apparently has not been updated since 2006. why on earth are you using that? |
| 15:23.25 | lucas-arg | where can i download debian sid? |
| 15:23.42 | mikygee | Justin that collector is openbsd and flowd interfaces with pf (equivalent to iptalbes) |
| 15:24.01 | amphi | lucas-arg: if you ask that, you probably don't want to |
| 15:24.04 | Riviera | stable and working since 2006? sounds great |
| 15:24.20 | lucas-arg | amphi: i just cant find it in debian.org |
| 15:24.26 | amphi | !sid |
| 15:24.27 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; . Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 15:26.11 | lucas-arg | ok |
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| 15:26.48 | lucas-arg | i was looking an alternative to ubuntu... something more stable... but with new kernel etc... |
| 15:27.00 | lucas-arg | my laptop is kinda new and need new packages to it to work properly |
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| 15:27.22 | storm_ | @lucas-arg: arch ? |
| 15:27.41 | lucas-arg | im thining about it |
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| 15:28.12 | jordanm | lucas-arg: stable + backport kernel |
| 15:28.39 | lucas-arg | does debian has a backport repo like ubuntu does? |
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| 15:31.11 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
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| 15:34.44 | twobitsprite | can someone recommend a good howto for ldap automount? google is returning a bunch of old/broken forum and mailling list posts that don't work |
| 15:35.10 | Joelito | Hi, I have a doubt about my debian *testing*. Sometimes, when I login to my debian box I don't have internet connection, but when I reboot to use my windows partitions, I have internet connection there, what would the problem? |
| 15:35.15 | chrissbx | How do I get the system to create loop entries for partitions? partprobe -s /dev/loop1 shows /dev/loop1: msdos partitions 1 <5 6 7 8 9 10 11> but no /dev/ entries are created. |
| 15:35.50 | chrissbx | Also, partx -a /dev/loop1 says HDIO_GETGEO: inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 15:36.32 | jelly | chrissbx: use kpartx instead |
| 15:37.56 | unicstar | Joelito: do you power off your windows or hibernate it ? |
| 15:37.56 | chrissbx | jelly: ah, that worked! thanks |
| 15:38.37 | Joelito | unicstar, when I login to debian? I came from poweroff |
| 15:38.58 | babilen | Joelito: wheezy/sid users are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:39.12 | jelly | chrissbx: you'll need to destroy the kpartx-generated devices first if you decide to losetup -d |
| 15:39.22 | chrissbx | ok |
| 15:39.48 | chrissbx | hm, seems to be device mapper entries. |
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| 15:39.54 | unicstar | Joelito: anyway, just to test, before login to debian disconnet your computer power, then reconnect and boot |
| 15:39.59 | Joelito | babilen, actually the problem also happen to me in squeeze, that's the reason why I switch to testing |
| 15:40.37 | babilen | Joelito: Ok, how to you connect? And try unicstar's advice |
| 15:40.56 | Joelito | babilen, wired external modem |
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| 15:41.37 | Joelito | my driver: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 15:41.53 | chrissbx | Can I change a Debian live image so that changes done from the running system are stored permanently? |
| 15:43.00 | babilen | Joelito: yes, I mean what software do you use? (/e/n/i or wicd or network-manager or ...) |
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| 15:43.24 | chrissbx | (changes done to the running system) |
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| 15:43.37 | Joelito | babilen, neither, I only relay on /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:44.08 | Joelito | but, let me check |
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| 15:44.49 | Joelito | babilen, yep I don't have installed network-manager package |
| 15:45.19 | babilen | Joelito: So, how do you get an IP address/configure your interface? |
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| 15:46.01 | Joelito | babilen, I don't know..seems that /etc/init.d/networking is in charge of that |
| 15:46.06 | Joelito | isn't? |
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| 15:46.17 | jelly | chrissbx: yes, kpartx uses device-mapper to present the slices |
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| 15:47.48 | babilen | Joelito: Might very well be, could you paste your /etc/network/interfaces? You might also want to read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and "man 5 interfaces" |
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| 15:48.42 | unicstar | Joelito: what is your external modem type ? a serial modem or an adsl modem ? |
| 15:49.05 | Joelito | unicstar, usb |
| 15:49.11 | flocky | hello I want to use a domain as my ip on a bnc or eggdrop, using my dedicated server. How I configure that? |
| 15:49.22 | Joelito | serial :p |
| 15:49.23 | Joelito | sorry |
| 15:49.30 | daemonkeeper | How is this related with Debian? |
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| 15:50.06 | ajikeshi_ | daemonkeeper, maybe his uncle got a friend that uses debian? |
| 15:50.12 | daemonkeeper | The answer is: Make sure the reverse lookup of your IP matches the domain name you care for. |
| 15:50.12 | babilen | Joelito: Please elaborate on your setup? How do you connect to the internet and how is the modem connected to your box? Where does your NIC come into play? |
| 15:50.38 | Joelito | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/118779/ |
| 15:50.39 | flocky | daemonkeeper, how I do that? |
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| 15:51.01 | daemonkeeper | flocky: Ask your ISP. You can't do that unless you control the address block your IP lies in. |
| 15:51.07 | Joelito | babilen, I use a netinstall ISO, it detects fine my internet connection |
| 15:51.25 | babilen | Joelito: You probably want to replace "allow-hotplug" with "auto" in that file. |
| 15:51.33 | flocky | daemonkeeper, I want to do that on my server at ovh |
| 15:51.39 | Gump | #debian, i totally effed my computer. i removed all traces of fglrx and tried to boot with the kernel graphics drivers, and now my screen is just static. i booted to terminal to reinstall fglrx and it can't access the web to download it. wat do?? D: |
| 15:51.43 | daemonkeeper | flocky: So ask OVH. |
| 15:52.08 | unicstar | Joelito: neigher of your interfaces is used for internet, becuase you are using usb connection? |
| 15:52.10 | wols | Gump: what has network access to do with videocard troubles? |
| 15:52.24 | daemonkeeper | flocky: You can't do that yourself. I guess they might have (or not) a web frontend to control the reverse lookup of your IP. After all this is off-topic here as said |
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| 15:52.28 | Gump | because i need network access to redownload the fglrx drivers wols |
| 15:52.29 | wols | Gump: maybe get on the internet again first. how do you connect your debian to the internet? |
| 15:52.32 | Joelito | babilen, done, save and add chattr +i, just in case :) |
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| 15:52.49 | Gump | wols, through gnome. i forget how to do it through terminal |
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| 15:53.01 | Gump | its a wirekess connection, wlan0 |
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| 15:53.24 | wols | Gump: and wlan0 still exists and works? what encryption do you use? |
| 15:53.27 | babilen | Joelito: Ok, could you reliably reproduce the problem or was it more a "happens not and then" thing? |
| 15:53.47 | babilen | The pleasures of network-manager (not) |
| 15:53.56 | Gump | wols WEP |
| 15:54.08 | Joelito | babilen, happens now and then, and mostly after 7:00 pm (my local time) |
| 15:54.09 | wols | babilen: and supposedly that POS actually claims to work on console too |
| 15:54.34 | wols | Gump: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 15:55.09 | wols | and you definitely need to change your AP to WPA/WPA2 |
| 15:55.14 | Justin | Gump: you can just tell X to use the vesa driver, that will start just fine |
| 15:55.26 | Gump | justin, how? |
| 15:55.52 | Justin | Gump: the same way you tell it to use the radeon or fglrx driver |
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| 15:58.48 | unicstar_ | babilen: Joelito must have installed a pppoe connection for his modem to work, not eth0, dont you think so ? |
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| 16:00.22 | babilen | unicstar: No idea how Joelito connects, could be a router that connects automatically and just hands out IP addresses. |
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| 16:00.44 | unicstar | but he said that I use a modem |
| 16:00.54 | unicstar | ( he uses a... ) |
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| 16:01.39 | Joelito | question: how can a free dns server can help on etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 16:01.56 | Joelito | I see that you can use a "address" entry |
| 16:02.02 | Joelito | *readiin man interface |
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| 16:02.27 | babilen | Joelito: dns-nameserver (if you have resolvconf installed) -- or |
| 16:02.33 | babilen | !tell Joelito about override dns |
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| 16:03.42 | babilen | Joelito: See http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Defining_the_.28DNS.29_Nameservers that I pointed out earlier. |
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| 16:11.07 | Ryushin | What was the irc server and channel again for unstable development? |
| 16:11.28 | babilen | Ryushin: #debian-next on irc.debian.net / irc.oftc.net ? |
| 16:11.53 | Ryushin | That was the one. I do wish it was on freenode like all the other channels that I use. |
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| 16:12.00 | Ryushin | I did confirm the ntfs-3g bug. |
| 16:12.02 | babilen | s/development/support though (for that one) -- for development you want different channels |
| 16:12.18 | babilen | Ryushin: Marvellous, mind to come over to #d-n? |
| 16:12.30 | Ryushin | On my way. |
| 16:12.52 | syockit | I want to write a POSIX-compliant shell script. Most tutorials out there are for bash. What is the keyword for searching what I want? should ksh be sufficient? |
| 16:12.54 | babilen | Ryushin: Ok, i'll be there in some minutes. (C+C is needed) |
| 16:13.13 | Joelito | thanks all for your help, time to me to go to work, have a nice day :) |
| 16:13.17 | babilen | syockit: dash probably -- checkbashisms (or bashisms as search term) is also handy |
| 16:17.15 | Gump | what command line text editor can i use? |
| 16:17.36 | Gump | is emacs suitable? |
| 16:19.46 | syockit | can I hide certain packages from ever appearing from in apt system? |
| 16:19.47 | maligor | Gump, for the purpose of editing configuration files, whichever you like |
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| 16:23.14 | Gump_ | well that was...interesting |
| 16:23.50 | Gump_ | i've got fglrx working, and flashplayer works... i don't know what kernel i am running though. how can i check? |
| 16:24.03 | neuronic | uname |
| 16:24.22 | Gump_ | returns: linux. herp derp really? |
| 16:24.28 | Gump_ | are you sure i'm running linux? xD |
| 16:24.30 | babilen | Gump_: "uname -r" |
| 16:25.32 | Gump_ | thanks. i'm on the stable one apparently. i wonder if everything will still work on the new one... |
| 16:25.45 | Gump_ | anyway, thanks for the help babilen. looks like everything is working |
| 16:26.42 | babilen | Gump_: so, essentially: Back to what it was before, just that flash is behaving now? |
| 16:27.12 | Gump_ | babilen, exactly haha |
| 16:27.24 | babilen | well, I guess that'll do :-D |
| 16:27.41 | Gump_ | gonna have to go through all this again when the new kernel becomes the stable one D: |
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| 16:28.51 | wols | Gump_: 18months in the future, so you're safe. for now |
| 16:28.52 | babilen | don't worry, flash will be even more buggy then (read https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638477 for a taster) ... But we can work on it in due course. |
| 16:29.16 | babilen | or actually, it is buggy now, you just don't see it yet |
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| 16:29.58 | Gump_ | babilen, DDDD: stop it you're giving me nightmares |
| 16:30.01 | Gump_ | and i'm not even asleep |
| 16:30.04 | babilen | heh :) |
| 16:30.30 | babilen | Gump_: Don't worry. Everyhting will be fine. Have a good night and enjoy your working flash setup. |
| 16:31.07 | Gump_ | babilen, will do. i need to get better at linux so i can help other people lol |
| 16:31.37 | babilen | Gump_: You are more than welcome to do. See you :) |
| 16:31.51 | kW_ | Hello! When upgrading libc6, debconf wants to restart services like sshd, exim, ... How can answering this question be automatized (such that "apt-get install ..." can be run from a script remotely by ssh without any user interaction)? |
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| 16:33.17 | Gump_ | kW_, does aptitude ask the same question? it might be automated |
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| 16:34.28 | antivirtel | hi! How often has the wtmp been cleared? (Source of `last` command) |
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| 16:35.09 | kW_ | Gump_: well, I cannot try again, because I've already answered the question manually (on this particular server) |
| 16:35.14 | babilen | kW_: http://serverfault.com/questions/238679/unable-to-force-debian-to-do-unattended-install-libc6-wants-interactive-confir (for inspiration) |
| 16:35.22 | kW_ | (You mean there is a difference between aptitude and apt-get...?) |
| 16:35.30 | kW_ | babilen: thank you :-) |
| 16:35.40 | babilen | kW_: Courtesy of Arrowmaster |
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| 16:36.11 | Arrowmaster | :) |
| 16:36.48 | babilen | Arrowmaster: It is, isn't it? |
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| 16:36.56 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 16:37.05 | babilen | great, good write-up |
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| 16:51.05 | dedeibel | evening |
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| 16:51.25 | aminpy | Policy for handling keymaps |
| 16:51.38 | aminpy | what should I choose? |
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| 16:51.56 | babilen | !keymap |
| 16:51.57 | dpkg | Squeeze users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 16:51.58 | teliti | Hello. I do have squeeze installed on my box. Is there a way to get the old KDE 3 for squeeze? |
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| 16:52.57 | aminpy | babilen, I'm upgrading lenny to squeeze, and now I have this question in a window |
| 16:53.30 | babilen | aminpy: What is it asking you exactly? And how could I know what keymap *you* prefer? |
| 16:53.54 | aminpy | babilen, I did it |
| 16:53.59 | aminpy | babilen, don't touch |
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| 16:54.13 | aminpy | babilen, now I have another question |
| 16:54.26 | aminpy | babilen, workgroup/Domain Name: |
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| 16:54.34 | babilen | forget that |
| 16:54.57 | aminpy | babilen, do I skip it? |
| 16:55.39 | v_v | i get kvm installed on squeeze, and a guestos windowsxp. it's quite slow. i haven't found out what's wrong with that ;S |
| 16:55.42 | babilen | aminpy: I am not entirely sure where you are in the upgrade process, but a workgroup is typically something Windows specific -- Do you have a default value there right now? |
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| 16:56.17 | aminpy | babilen, WORKGROUP |
| 16:56.22 | jhutchins_lt | v_v: You're running it in a VM. |
| 16:56.52 | jhutchins_lt | aminpy: THat would be for Windows networking - samba. Do you have windows shares on your network? |
| 16:56.53 | babilen | aminpy: that'll do. don't worry about it (it is meant for windows networks in which you belong to a workgroup) |
| 16:56.55 | v_v | jhutchins_lt: haha. |
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| 16:57.36 | aminpy | aha |
| 16:57.41 | aminpy | in next step |
| 16:57.52 | aminpy | babilen, LDAP server Uniform Resou... |
| 16:58.04 | aminpy | default value -> ldap://127.0.0.1/ |
| 16:58.09 | babilen | aminpy: Please, we don't need to know about every single step. Ask specific questions! |
| 16:58.19 | aminpy | sorry |
| 16:58.22 | babilen | aminpy: Do you have a ldap server running? |
| 16:58.45 | aminpy | babilen, I don't know :( |
| 16:59.12 | Justin | aminpy: what package is that for? |
| 16:59.14 | babilen | aminpy: That most likely means "No" :) -- Leave it as it is. |
| 16:59.23 | babilen | aminpy: And which package .... ^^^ |
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| 17:03.24 | babilen | aminpy: hmm? do you know which package is asking all these questions? did you make progress? |
| 17:03.43 | aminpy | babilen, yes |
| 17:03.49 | aminpy | babilen, I'm progressing |
| 17:03.54 | babilen | wonderful, all is fine so far? |
| 17:04.17 | aminpy | Services to restart for GNU libc library upgrade: |
| 17:04.23 | aminpy | ssh lprng cron apache2_ |
| 17:04.37 | aminpy | do I accept it? |
| 17:05.02 | babilen | yes |
| 17:05.12 | babilen | or, hang on! |
| 17:05.38 | babilen | You are not connected via SSH are you? (Although that should be save too) |
| 17:05.49 | Justin | restarting ssh does not disconnect existing sessions |
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| 17:05.55 | aminpy | babilen, I connected with ssh |
| 17:06.07 | aminpy | to my vps |
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| 17:06.39 | babilen | aminpy: Ok, it should be fine, just wanted to make sure. |
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| 17:06.50 | fbs | im looking for the tint2wizard program. |
| 17:06.52 | fbs | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&arch=amd64&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=tintwizard |
| 17:07.08 | fbs | it should be in that package |
| 17:07.13 | fbs | but it isnt there |
| 17:07.23 | babilen | ,file tint2wizard |
| 17:07.26 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 17:07.42 | Woet | fbs: that package has tintwizard, not tint2wizard |
| 17:07.42 | Justin | fbs: are you sure tintwizard is not the file you are looking for? |
| 17:07.55 | babilen | fbs: yes, no package ships a file of that name. Why do you thing it should be part of it? |
| 17:08.46 | fbs | i searched for package content. And tintwizard should be in the tint2 package accoring to dpkg |
| 17:08.54 | fbs | s/dpkg/website |
| 17:09.12 | Justin | fbs: it is. /usr/bin/tintwizard |
| 17:09.32 | babilen | Just not /usr/bin/tint2wizard |
| 17:09.53 | Justin | I have a feeling he is mistaken :) |
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| 17:10.09 | fbs | if i download the package from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tint2/tint2_0.11+svn20110307-1_amd64.deb |
| 17:10.21 | fbs | i cant find it in there |
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| 17:12.04 | Justin | fbs: report a bug |
| 17:12.08 | fbs | http://pastie.org/2014580 |
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| 17:12.12 | fbs | Justin: ok |
| 17:12.41 | babilen | fbs: You have been searching for packages in squeeze, the package you downloaded is sid/wheezy and that does not contain tintwizard |
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| 17:13.02 | fbs | i searched in wheezy |
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| 17:13.31 | babilen | Could be created in the postinst? One second, I'll take a closer look. |
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| 17:14.45 | babilen | yup, no tintwizard. Lets take a look at the source package. Could it be that the pdo index is wrong? (can't find it with apt-file either) |
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| 17:15.05 | fbs | nop |
| 17:15.14 | Justin | it's in the source package: src/tint2conf/tintwizard.py |
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| 17:15.50 | Justin | fbs: is tint2conf what you are looking for? |
| 17:15.54 | fbs | nope |
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| 17:16.14 | Justin | hmm |
| 17:16.36 | Justin | well it's just a python app, you can try just downloading the source package and running it |
| 17:16.37 | babilen | debian/tint2.install contains #/usr/bin/tintwizard.py -- File a bug and let the maintainer clarify the situation. |
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| 17:19.02 | babilen | But i'm with Justin on that one, just take it from the source package and be done with it. (+ file a bug) |
| 17:19.49 | babilen | Would be interesting to see why it was commented in tint2.install |
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| 17:20.00 | fbs | jup |
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| 17:20.28 | babilen | changelog contains "Do not install tintwizard (it does not support config of SVN snapshot)" (no bug report though) |
| 17:20.52 | Justin | i know how to find that out... |
| 17:21.04 | Justin | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/tint2.git;a=commit;h=0cff5e078a90da9735f060a2aeab755126b61102 |
| 17:21.07 | Justin | <3 git |
| 17:21.42 | fbs | the tintwizard from the source doenst work |
| 17:22.03 | fbs | ImportError: No module named pygtk |
| 17:22.09 | Justin | oh, you need python gtk |
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| 17:22.11 | fbs | missing some dependencies is guess. |
| 17:22.18 | Justin | python-gtk2 - Python bindings for the GTK+ widget set |
| 17:22.27 | babilen | Justin: yeah, I still don't quite see why it was removed. But I don't know the software as well and I trust the maintainer on this. |
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| 17:25.49 | fbs | ill report a bug once i figured out how to do it |
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| 17:32.26 | jhutchins_lt | fbs: It's always nice to include a fix or work-around in a bugreport. |
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| 17:36.02 | fbs | jhutchins_lt: i'll add the 'install python-gtk & download tintwizard` work around |
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| 17:41.10 | Bop | what to do if netinstall from stable gives kernel panic at startup ? |
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| 17:42.11 | Famic | hi |
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| 17:42.34 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.50 | Famic | anyone could point me to a good guide about securing a debian box by any chance ? |
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| 17:43.23 | thewanderer1 | Famic: how about http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ ? :) |
| 17:43.33 | Famic | :D |
| 17:43.48 | Famic | sounds good thanks ;) |
| 17:43.56 | nocturnal | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en this document says interface=auto netcfg/dhcp_timeout=60 and a lot of other documents online say netcfg/dhcp_timeout string 60. I've tried both, with high values like 120 and 240 seconds but I still have to retry dhcp 1-3 times each deployment. also, the progress bar is not even close to waiting 60 seconds, more like 20. how do I use this properly in preseeding squeeze? |
| 17:44.02 | nocturnal | d-i interface=auto netcfg/dhcp_timeout=240 |
| 17:44.03 | nocturnal | the full line |
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| 17:47.27 | Kobaz | what's a good terminal these days, i've been using mrxvt (tabs, truetype support), but a recent upgrade or something broke the xft font library |
| 17:48.26 | Bushmills | Kobaz: with features: terminator. without: urxvt |
| 17:48.29 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 17:48.35 | Kobaz | k |
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| 17:50.47 | Bushmills | Kobaz: fbterm for frame buffer console |
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| 17:51.36 | Kobaz | yeah, looking for x terminal |
| 17:52.02 | Petto | hi guys, Im trying "rm -r *,v" I need remove all files with ",v". but its not working recursive. Why ? |
| 17:52.54 | nocturnal | because it doesn't work that way |
| 17:53.03 | Bushmills | Petto: does it stop because there are no matching files in the higher level directory? |
| 17:53.05 | nocturnal | find . -name "*,v" -type f -exec rm {} \; |
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| 17:53.38 | Petto | nocturnal, it works! |
| 17:53.44 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.08 | Kobaz | find . -name "*,v" -type f -exec echo {} \; |
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| 17:54.16 | Kobaz | to make sure you're deleting what you want to delete |
| 17:54.16 | stew | Petto: -r would mean in that case to also remove directories which match "*,v", not all directories should be searched for files named '*,v" |
| 17:54.21 | nocturnal | Kobaz: -print |
| 17:54.22 | Big_Aziz | hi piople |
| 17:54.28 | Big_Aziz | hi people |
| 17:54.37 | Bushmills | !repeat |
| 17:54.37 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:54.39 | Kobaz | nocturnal: that too, but -print with the rm command would delete |
| 17:54.46 | nocturnal | Kobaz: lol |
| 17:54.50 | nocturnal | then don't use it with -exec |
| 17:54.53 | nocturnal | or use rm -i |
| 17:55.01 | stew | also, find has a -delete |
| 17:55.01 | nocturnal | Bushmills: thanks for the tip, I've used \; so long that it's habitual |
| 17:55.06 | nocturnal | stew: nice! |
| 17:55.07 | wols | can netfilter work on MAC adresses or IPs only? |
| 17:55.08 | nocturnal | thanks |
| 17:55.26 | syockit | can I hide packages from my apt database? |
| 17:55.46 | Bushmills | nocturnal: yeah ... + was added at one point so for those with a habit of using \; it may take some time to get used to it |
| 17:55.49 | Kobaz | nocturnal: that too |
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| 17:56.01 | nocturnal | Bushmills: I see |
| 17:56.12 | Petto | tnks guys! |
| 17:56.17 | Petto | nocturnal, tnks! |
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| 17:57.21 | thewanderer1 | wols: Netfilter supports MAC addresses too, yes |
| 17:57.27 | stew | wols: -m mac --mac-source 00:11:22:33... |
| 17:57.29 | Petto | Can I use find -name '*,v' -type f -delete ? |
| 17:57.59 | nocturnal | yeah sure |
| 17:58.09 | nocturnal | but don't forget the path |
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| 17:58.25 | stew | path is optional, and defaults to "." |
| 17:58.32 | nocturnal | oh snap, I'm learning things today |
| 17:59.23 | nocturnal | stew: you don't happen to know how to use netcfg/dhcp_timeout properly in preseed files for squeeze? because I've tried both string 60 and =60 and none of them wait for 60 seconds. |
| 17:59.24 | stew | you learn all this new stuff that find does, then get used to it, then get really frustrated when you end up on an old solaris/bsd box that suports none of it :) |
| 17:59.30 | nocturnal | I still have to retry dhcp 1-3 times every deployment |
| 17:59.35 | Kobaz | terminator looks cool |
| 17:59.38 | stew | nocturnal: nope, sorry |
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| 17:59.59 | nocturnal | stew: I know what you mean, I constantly have to check my local manpage if what you say is valid for bsd. but it is! |
| 18:00.08 | nocturnal | so I'll make sure to remember -exec + and -delete |
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| 18:02.41 | Kobaz | terminator sucks up 30 megs of ram per instance |
| 18:02.42 | Kobaz | aww |
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| 18:03.03 | Kobaz | mrxvt is like 5 megs |
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| 18:03.30 | Kobaz | update speed is really slow with truetype fonts |
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| 18:04.00 | Kobaz | can't win |
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| 18:05.42 | Kobaz | line printing is three times slower, oh well |
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| 18:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | Why do you need truetype fonts in a terminal? |
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| 18:07.53 | Kobaz | easier on the eyes |
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| 18:14.43 | wols | Kobaz: are your bitmaps fonts all that bad in their quality? |
| 18:15.01 | Kobaz | bitmapped fonts are fine, but there's better technology for font rendering out there |
| 18:15.17 | Kobaz | this is 2011.. |
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| 18:19.01 | kW_ | Hello! How can I have an up-to-date rubygems (>=1.4) for ruby1.9 on debian squeeze? |
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| 18:19.19 | HideMe | I'm having troubles with my cdrom booting (reading) from disk. Can anyone make sense of this error? http://i.imgur.com/oCJhP.jpg |
| 18:19.52 | karlpinc_ | Kobaz: Got any evidence to back up the notion that true-type fonts are easier to read? Frankly the concept of fuzzing the edges and reducing contrast sounds countrary to readibility, no matter how pretty it might be. |
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| 18:21.04 | Kobaz | they look nicer, not as jagged |
| 18:21.15 | Kobaz | to each their own of course, i happen to prefer truetype |
| 18:21.36 | Kobaz | HideMe: looks like there's a problem with your bootable cd, something is missing or bad? |
| 18:21.48 | Kobaz | HideMe: or the cd drive is bad |
| 18:22.17 | karlpinc_ | Kobaz: Sure, I was just wondering. (I myself like Gothic, but would never consider reading anything printed in Gothic.) |
| 18:22.18 | nkuttler | likes terminus. best fixed with font |
| 18:22.25 | HideMe | Kobaz I'll try some other media to verify. |
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| 18:24.09 | Kobaz | karlpinc_: i don't have a double blind statistical analysis to show the readability |
| 18:24.24 | Kobaz | karlpinc_: i used to like black chancery |
| 18:24.44 | Kobaz | i still do, but i probably wouldn't print much with it |
| 18:25.04 | karlpinc_ | Kobaz: Last time I paid attention I was suprised at something to do with the readability of serif fonts, but now I don't recall what it was. |
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| 18:26.42 | Kobaz | i think something is wrong with libxft2 in unstable |
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| 18:28.31 | vikramverma | When I log in remotely, I see this notice: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qart6i6b - how do I stop this notice from being displayed? |
| 18:28.48 | dondelelcaro | vikramverma: that's the motd |
| 18:29.06 | dondelelcaro | vikramverma: man sshd_config and see PrintMotd |
| 18:29.28 | karlpinc_ | vikramverma: Or "man motd" |
| 18:29.31 | vikramverma | Thanks. Can I just edit //etc/motd? |
| 18:29.37 | vikramverma | I'll read the man pages. |
| 18:29.42 | somiaj | vikramverma: you could also change /etc/motd.tail (which will then update your /etc/motd) which is what you are seeing. |
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| 18:29.45 | dondelelcaro | vikramverma: the motd is printed when you log in locally at a tty too |
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| 18:29.58 | dondelelcaro | (though normally you kind of want the motd to be printed) |
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| 18:30.32 | somiaj | vikramverma: no /etc/motd gets rewritten everytime you boot up, check the script /etc/init.d/bootlogs -- it generates /etc/motd from the kernel name and /etc/motd.tail |
| 18:30.42 | dondelelcaro | vikramverma: any particular reason why you don't want the motd to be printed? |
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| 18:31.08 | vikramverma | I just put Debian on my server in place of Arch. It didn't print that - I'd be interested to know what purpose it serves. |
| 18:31.11 | vikramverma | dondelelcaro: ^ |
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| 18:31.23 | dreamer | hmm, installing git on squeeze amd64 -> http://pastebin.com/LPNZW1Xw |
| 18:32.12 | vikramverma | I'm interested to, rather. |
| 18:32.18 | Dossy | dreamer, that's odd output for installing *git* though. |
| 18:32.19 | karlpinc_ | vikramverma: It's so you can tell all your users things when they login. |
| 18:32.21 | somiaj | vikramverma: the actual motd can be what ever you desire, you don't have to print out the warning. |
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| 18:32.41 | nkuttler | c |
| 18:32.50 | karlpinc_ | vikramverma: Un*x has done that from time out of mind. |
| 18:32.50 | lifeofguenter | this is weird - I can not connect via ssh to a certain server |
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| 18:32.54 | dondelelcaro | vikramverma: it tells you what machine you're logging into, which is why it's kind of useful |
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| 18:32.57 | lifeofguenter | when I connect directly from the router it works |
| 18:32.59 | lifeofguenter | anybody a clue? |
| 18:33.03 | nkuttler | lifeofguenter: ssh -vvv |
| 18:33.08 | vikramverma | Oh, definitely useful. Can you address specific messages to specific groups? |
| 18:33.24 | lifeofguenter | nkuttler, it just halts on "connecting to XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX" |
| 18:33.34 | dondelelcaro | vikramverma: not easily, but you could using /etc/bashrc or similar |
| 18:33.45 | lifeofguenter | and its only this one server - all other ssh connections work fine |
| 18:34.06 | lifeofguenter | also directly on the router I can connect.. but an my notebook it just halts |
| 18:34.24 | vikramverma | dondelelcaro: Fair enough. Not all users will neccessarily use the same shell, though. |
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| 18:34.35 | nabi | hi all |
| 18:34.38 | nabi | how do i set ufw DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY="ACCEPT" ? |
| 18:34.41 | dondelelcaro | vikramverma: right, and users can easily bypass the MOTD too |
| 18:34.44 | dreamer | Dossy: obviously :P |
| 18:35.09 | dreamer | Dossy: happens after update-rc.d |
| 18:35.31 | vikramverma | dondelelcaro: How? |
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| 18:36.48 | lifeofguenter | hmm could it be a tcp problem? |
| 18:37.04 | lifeofguenter | because also port 80 does not work |
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| 18:37.16 | lifeofguenter | but I can dig the dns on it |
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| 18:38.44 | jhutchins_lt | vikramverma: There is a system that was designed to get messages to specific users and/or groups when they logged in to a multi-user ("time sharing") system. |
| 18:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | vikramverma: Does that sound like what youre looking for? |
| 18:39.13 | vikramverma | jhutchins_lt: It does. |
| 18:39.34 | jhutchins_lt | vikramverma: It's called email. (It and it's usage have evolved a bit.) |
| 18:39.59 | babilen | heh |
| 18:40.01 | vikramverma | jhutchins_lt: Heh. |
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| 18:40.08 | somiaj | the motd was designed as it takes less cpu/processes than sending every user who logs in an email. |
| 18:41.01 | vikramverma | Thanks for the history. |
| 18:41.04 | vikramverma | :) |
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| 18:41.58 | lifeofguenter | can nobody help? or at least a hint to debug? |
| 18:42.07 | somiaj | vikramverma: but either way modify both /etc/motd.tail and then rerun uname -snrvm > /var/run/motd && cat /etc/motd.tail >> /var/run/motd |
| 18:42.35 | somiaj | vikramverma: that is how /etc/init.d/bootlogs creates the /etc/motd durning each boot |
| 18:42.36 | karlpinc_ | lifeofguenter: What does traceroute say? Are you being blocked at the remote end? Perhaps there's an ssh blacklist you're on. |
| 18:43.11 | lifeofguenter | I can ping. Also if I connect directly on the router (which has same IP) it works |
| 18:43.12 | karlpinc_ | lifeofguenter: (Some firewalls/BOFHs are clueless.) |
| 18:43.48 | karlpinc_ | lifeofguenter: That's a sign that the gateway is wrong, or something else in the networking. Dunno. |
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| 18:44.53 | lifeofguenter | hm I just don't get what.. coz other clients on the router can connect to that IP |
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| 18:46.04 | jhutchins | vikramverma: Seriously, email evolved from a way to buffer system messages for users who weren't logged in. That's why you see new mail notifications on the console. |
| 18:46.07 | Justin | lifeofguenter: run tcpdump on the server |
| 18:47.05 | Abddu | Is there a command line of comparing two directories recursively and then updating one based on other? |
| 18:47.10 | Abddu | *way of |
| 18:47.16 | Justin | Abddu: rsync? |
| 18:47.19 | somiaj | Abddu: rsync? |
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| 18:48.08 | Abddu | Will try it, though I try to keep away from anything with a name starting with RS. :) Do you happen to know how to make mc compare directories recursively? |
| 18:48.11 | karlpinc_ | lifeofguenter: If you're tcpdump cluless then feed the output into wireshark. |
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| 18:48.22 | lifeofguenter | hehe yup |
| 18:48.59 | deuterium | hia, anybody using fail2ban here? what's the difference between action iptables-multiport and iptables-allports? |
| 18:49.18 | jhutchins | lifeofguenter: So you're trying to forward a port on the router to the server's ssh? |
| 18:50.08 | lifeofguenter | nope the router ist just a basic gateway.. e.g. I am trying to connect on my client directly to the server IP (neither port 80 nor ssh works) |
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| 18:50.35 | Justin | lifeofguenter: what OS does the router run? |
| 18:50.58 | lifeofguenter | debian squeeze ^^ |
| 18:51.05 | lifeofguenter | hmm thats strange |
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| 18:51.10 | Justin | in that case, run tcpdump on the router |
| 18:51.17 | Justin | stop guessing what the problem is and investigate |
| 18:51.36 | lifeofguenter | tcpdump on the server shows me that it actually got a tcp connection http - though the http-header/body is missing |
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| 18:51.50 | Justin | do you mean the request is missing? did the 3 way handshake complete? |
| 18:52.02 | lifeofguenter | seems only syn when through |
| 18:52.10 | lifeofguenter | but the filter is incomplete.. |
| 18:52.13 | lifeofguenter | a sec |
| 18:52.49 | Justin | you need to see if the server gets the syn, then see if the server responding with a syn+ack |
| 18:53.19 | lifeofguenter | hmm I see only syn's |
| 18:53.20 | lifeofguenter | no acks |
| 18:53.36 | Abddu | Justin: somiaj: when you said "rsync", did you mean "rcp"? (I meant local directories) Or is rsync better than rcp also for local compare/synchronise? |
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| 18:53.45 | Justin | Abddu: no, when I said rsync I meant rsync |
| 18:54.06 | Justin | lifeofguenter: are you getting a syn from the client to the gateway and from the gateway to the server? |
| 18:54.55 | thewanderer1 | how do I list IPMI channels? |
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| 18:55.12 | lifeofguenter | I ran tcpdump on the endpoint => server: it got from my IP (so most probably the router?) 3 syns in some secs intervall - but it did not respond anything |
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| 18:55.19 | deuterium | btw, why can't i quit aptitude by hitting 'q' twice anymore? |
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| 18:55.47 | lifeofguenter | I will tcpdump now the gateway |
| 18:55.56 | lifeofguenter | but thats so strange.. |
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| 18:56.51 | Justin | lifeofguenter: it's not strange if there is an iptables DROP rule in place |
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| 18:59.12 | ZitZ | hi, when i'm using iceweasel and I select "open with" it opens a file browser in my home directory rather than some sort of menu with my installed applications, is there anyway to remedy this? |
| 18:59.21 | Andorin | http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8321/screenshotxo.png What do you call the text at the start of this guy's terminal? I want to learn about it but I don't know what to Google for |
| 18:59.21 | flamingspinach | is the android sdk really not packaged for debian? that's surprising... |
| 18:59.22 | lifeofguenter | hm as far as I see I don't have any "DROP" in my firewall script |
| 18:59.46 | flamingspinach | Andorin: motd, maybe? |
| 19:00.05 | flamingspinach | stands for "message of the day", from the days when all terminals were literally remote login terminals |
| 19:00.42 | Andorin | flamingspinach: Thank you, I'll try it out |
| 19:01.05 | ZitZ | flamingspinach: no android in debian, installing it from source is pretty straight forward, it's only tricky on a 64bit system because the sdk is only available in 32 bit, and getting the eclipse plugin to work can be tricky as well |
| 19:01.24 | lifeofguenter | thats strange, the router sends out a syn but never receives a ack |
| 19:01.33 | lifeofguenter | although if connecting directly on the router it works.. |
| 19:01.44 | Andorin | flamingspinach: Nope, /etc/motd already exists and has the default "Debian GNU/Linux is free software, no warranty, etc" message that you get when logging into a console... |
| 19:01.45 | lifeofguenter | could it be that the iptables is somehow messing up the ip header? |
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| 19:01.55 | dreamer | hmmm, anyone know what S04depmod is? |
| 19:01.56 | lifeofguenter | but still why would only not work on that certain server.. hmm |
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| 19:02.06 | dreamer | only thing I can find is my own paste at pastebin haha |
| 19:02.19 | deadbeef | guys what does this mean, when doing aptitude install virtuoso-opensource on an arm machine: |
| 19:02.22 | deadbeef | The following packages have unmet dependencies: virtuoso-opensource: Depends: virtuoso-opensource-6.1 which is a virtual package. |
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| 19:02.31 | Justin | lifeofguenter: does the *SERVER* have any iptables rules |
| 19:02.57 | lifeofguenter | no they are empty |
| 19:03.03 | Justin | dreamer: do you have an /etc/init.d/depmod ? |
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| 19:03.19 | Justin | lifeofguenter: did the server get the syn packet from the client or not? |
| 19:03.36 | lifeofguenter | but again, it can not be some external <> external IP based filter/rule - coz my router has the same external IP than my notebook |
| 19:03.40 | lifeofguenter | yes it got |
| 19:03.53 | lifeofguenter | but it does not send anything |
| 19:04.13 | flamingspinach | Andorin: right, just add it in your .bashrc if you want it |
| 19:04.15 | flamingspinach | cat /etc/motd |
| 19:04.18 | flamingspinach | or cat whatever |
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| 19:04.26 | Andorin | Ohh |
| 19:04.52 | lifeofguenter | also when tcpdumpping my router/gateway (and trying to connect from my client) I see the same, e.g. syn is being sent to server, but does not receive anything else |
| 19:04.59 | flamingspinach | if you want color codes like in that screenshot, you'll need to put them in the file as raw control characters |
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| 19:05.04 | flamingspinach | google ansi color codes for help on that |
| 19:05.12 | Justin | lifeofguenter: you can compare the syn packets received by the server from the working and non-working client |
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| 19:05.31 | dreamer | Justin: yes |
| 19:05.44 | cla | Hi folks, i'm trying to debug booting problem on squeeze, but i can't figure out how to enable kernel and init boot messages being sent to console output. |
| 19:06.00 | cla | There is no quiet option passed to kernel. |
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| 19:06.30 | Justin | dreamer: what is it? |
| 19:06.33 | flamingspinach | ZitZ: OK... wonder why it's not packaged, though, I'm sure there is a lot of demand for it |
| 19:06.44 | Justin | cla: what is your current kernel command line? |
| 19:06.47 | lifeofguenter | thanks a lot Justin anyway.. my brain is smoking and I am pretty sure its something with the iptables on my router - though they are minimum and still wondering why it works with any other server, and I can UDP the server |
| 19:07.07 | jhutchins_lt | cla: Are you sure? Quiet is a default option in the grub menu.list |
| 19:07.08 | lifeofguenter | just thought maybe there is just something simple |
| 19:07.12 | dreamer | Justin: eh, a script. why? |
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| 19:07.24 | Justin | dreamer: from what? |
| 19:07.30 | dreamer | Justin: I get this lsb errors when installing git |
| 19:07.36 | cla | jhutchins_lt: grub.cfg in squeeze, as it's grub2. |
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| 19:07.47 | cla | Justin: And it's everything ok with kernel command line. |
| 19:07.53 | Justin | lifeofguenter: you can also try chaning any DROP lines in iptables to be drop+log |
| 19:07.59 | dreamer | Justin: http://pastebin.com/LPNZW1Xw |
| 19:08.02 | jhutchins_lt | cla: Yeah. You make changes to /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub |
| 19:08.08 | ZitZ | flamingspinach: I agree, but even worse I think debian sid is still a release behind with eclipse, luckily I was trying arch for a little bit, and it is available in their user repository and I was able to get into it and now have an app available |
| 19:08.12 | Justin | dreamer: what is /etc/init.d/depmod |
| 19:08.16 | jhutchins_lt | cla: Maybe you need to disable kms as well? |
| 19:08.25 | cla | Justin: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=d971d6bc-95fa-4015-b7fb-254b018b8048 console=tty0 console=/dev/ttyS1,9600n8 ro |
| 19:08.39 | flamingspinach | ZitZ: huh. How old is the new version of eclipse? |
| 19:08.41 | Justin | cla: are you trying to use a serial console? |
| 19:08.46 | lindenle | I have my home directory on an encrypred partition (/home/lindenle/.Private on /home/lindenle type ecryptfs) I want to reinstall a different OS but keep this data what is theeasiest approach |
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| 19:08.56 | Justin | pretty sure console=tty0 console=/dev/ttyS1,9600n8 is veyr wrong |
| 19:08.56 | flamingspinach | also stuff on debian tends to be a little bit out of date when there's a lot of dependencies |
| 19:08.59 | cla | Justin: Yes, but as fair as i know it's default in squeeze. |
| 19:09.04 | flamingspinach | small price to pay for debian's stability, IMO :) |
| 19:09.06 | lifeofguenter | jep its just Justin I don't have any DROP lines ^^ |
| 19:09.13 | Justin | oh nevermind, you can have multiple console entries |
| 19:09.13 | avendael | I know I might get flamed but, any tips for using unstable? |
| 19:09.21 | lifeofguenter | though thanks for the tipp with "LOG" I'll try putting it on other lines |
| 19:09.29 | cla | Justin: My problem is that when i install multipath-tools squeeze can't boot and i don't know why. |
| 19:09.36 | dreamer | Justin: http://pastebin.com/SFJwmZh9 |
| 19:09.38 | Justin | lifeofguenter: well, I would compare the traffic on the server between the working client and non-working client |
| 19:09.45 | cla | Justin: When i remove multipath-tools, everything works back. |
| 19:09.46 | Andorin | flamingspinach: Got it, thanks ^^ |
| 19:09.51 | jhutchins_lt | Justin: Interesting, I don't have that file. |
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| 19:09.52 | flamingspinach | Andorin: sure |
| 19:10.12 | Justin | dreamer: where the hell did that come from? |
| 19:10.33 | flamingspinach | btw Andorin if you're using /etc/motd be aware that it's autogenerated, see `man motd` |
| 19:10.43 | cla | jhutchins_lt: I already did changes to /etc/default/grub - removed quiet, run update-grub with no results. |
| 19:10.52 | Andorin | I'll probably switch over to using something custom, but thanks |
| 19:10.59 | dreamer | Justin: what do you mean? I have no idea what depmod is. is it part of lsb? |
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| 19:11.00 | cla | jhutchins_lt: Still can't figure out why squeeze isn't booting. |
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| 19:11.01 | ZitZ | flamingspinach: ancient, eclipse is on 3.6 and for a long while, though I haven't checked recently eclipse in debian was on 3.5, the eclipse repositories aren't even available for 3.5 anymore |
| 19:11.14 | dreamer | vor dependency based booting? (been reading a bit about it, but no idea which is for what) |
| 19:11.20 | Justin | dreamer: no |
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| 19:11.30 | Justin | dreamer: where did that script come from? |
| 19:11.31 | flamingspinach | ZitZ: 3.6.2 is in experimental, apparently |
| 19:11.35 | Justin | dreamer: what is the file modification time? |
| 19:12.05 | ZitZ | flamingspinach: lol, yep just checked myself, but it just confirms how far behind debian is there |
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| 19:12.44 | ZitZ | I read it was because debian wants to change the way it packages eclipse and have packages like eclipse-common for architecture agnostic files and what not |
| 19:12.44 | Bop | what to do if netinstall from stable gives kernel panic at startup ? |
| 19:12.57 | Bop | is there any old version that i can try ? |
| 19:13.00 | Justin | Bop: kernel panic why? |
| 19:13.04 | jhutchins_lt | cla: Will it boot in rescue mode or single-user? |
| 19:13.17 | Bop | its that 40 mb netinstall version |
| 19:13.28 | dreamer | Justin: Jan 6 |
| 19:13.35 | Justin | dreamer: of 2011? |
| 19:13.43 | dreamer | no, 2010 o.O |
| 19:14.00 | dreamer | hmm, I have to talk to the guys who made this install (it's a vps) |
| 19:14.13 | cla | jhutchins_lt: No as well. |
| 19:14.15 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: I'd consider geting a memtest CD. |
| 19:14.19 | Bop | ok |
| 19:14.24 | flamingspinach | ZitZ: sounds quite possible |
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| 19:14.31 | cla | jhutchins_lt: Until i boot it via tftp, chroot into and remove multipath-tools. |
| 19:14.40 | flamingspinach | looks like eclipse 3.7 is coming out this month, too, lol |
| 19:14.43 | flamingspinach | maybe they're just waiting for 3.7 |
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| 19:15.25 | dreamer | Justin: I take it depmod is not being used anymore? |
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| 19:15.35 | jhutchins_lt | cla: Check the README.Debian for multipath-tools. |
| 19:15.40 | vertz | do debian 6.0 come with gnome or kde as default? |
| 19:15.44 | flamingspinach | haskell is in a similar situation - haskell platform is still at 2010.1 in debian, 2011.2 upstream |
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| 19:15.53 | flamingspinach | vertz: gnome is default, but KDE is included in the CD too |
| 19:16.06 | flamingspinach | so is LXDE and Xfce4 |
| 19:16.13 | vertz | flamingspinach: really? weird, i just did a fresh install and i ended up in kde for no apperent reason |
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| 19:16.35 | vertz | i installed using netinstall |
| 19:16.38 | flamingspinach | huh. Maybe you selected the wrong menu option? The DE is selected on the very first screen, before you start the installation |
| 19:16.43 | stew | vertz: is there one you prefer? |
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| 19:17.00 | flamingspinach | to choose KDE you need to go into "alternative DEs" or something in the menu before selecting "expert install" or "graphical install" or whatever |
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| 19:17.14 | flamingspinach | maybe you did that and then didn't notice you hadn't backed out all the way to the top level menu |
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| 19:17.39 | flamingspinach | because the top level menu looks the same as the menu you get after choosing an alternative DE, if I recall correctly |
| 19:17.43 | vertz | yeah maybe, but seems weird |
| 19:17.53 | flamingspinach | gnome is definitely the default though |
| 19:18.11 | vertz | flamingspinach: and its gnome 2 yes? |
| 19:18.14 | vertz | i cant stand gnome 3 nor kde |
| 19:18.22 | flamingspinach | yeah |
| 19:18.26 | flamingspinach | gnome 3 came out after squeeze |
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| 19:18.28 | superstraw | xfce4 ftw? |
| 19:18.31 | flamingspinach | (I think) |
| 19:18.33 | jhutchins_lt | !gnome3 |
| 19:18.33 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 19:18.41 | flamingspinach | oh it's not even done yet lol |
| 19:19.08 | flamingspinach | I just selected "no desktop environment" and then installed xorg, slim, and xmonad manually |
| 19:19.09 | vertz | superstraw: old habbits.. bla bla hehe |
| 19:19.13 | flamingspinach | works for me :) |
| 19:19.18 | vertz | i like xfce for my desktop |
| 19:19.24 | vertz | but on my laptop i prefer gnome2 |
| 19:19.31 | dreamer | flamingspinach: oh dear, your an xmonad user -_- |
| 19:19.32 | dreamer | :P |
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| 19:19.50 | flamingspinach | still a newbie at it though :) in fact, I just switched from windows 7 |
| 19:19.56 | dreamer | I give other people xfce .. but I like fluxbox ;) |
| 19:19.58 | superstraw | ya i use xfce for my desktop with no icons, no toolbars or anything, just a black desktop. right click for muh menu |
| 19:20.04 | dreamer | but maybe this is for #debian-offtopic ? ;) |
| 19:20.20 | superstraw | k |
| 19:20.42 | vertz | i cant believe this is happening to meee |
| 19:20.43 | vertz | :( |
| 19:20.53 | flamingspinach | vertz: just reinstall it... |
| 19:20.56 | vertz | ill, just go drink a bottle of liqour and cry |
| 19:20.59 | vertz | and try again |
| 19:20.59 | vertz | hehe |
| 19:21.00 | vertz | yeah |
| 19:21.01 | vertz | :) |
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| 19:21.07 | stew | vertz: /msg dpkg remove kde ; /msg dpkg install xfce ; /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 19:21.12 | stew | there is really no reason to reinstall |
| 19:21.31 | flamingspinach | true, though just removing kde is not going to get rid of all the cruft that comes with it |
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| 19:21.36 | vertz | stew: as long as it removes every kde package |
| 19:21.41 | stew | kevke: it does |
| 19:21.46 | stew | flamingspinach: what cruft do you mean? |
| 19:21.49 | vertz | i hate having ugly kde apps popping up here and there |
| 19:21.50 | flamingspinach | really? |
| 19:21.55 | flamingspinach | huh. |
| 19:22.04 | flamingspinach | OK, I take it back |
| 19:22.47 | flamingspinach | yeah, actually, I have no idea why I said that. Please ignore, haha |
| 19:23.07 | flamingspinach | hmm, interesting |
| 19:23.23 | vertz | when is end of life of debian 6? |
| 19:23.24 | flamingspinach | I went to aptitude, found the package "kde", and did +, then - |
| 19:23.32 | flamingspinach | it still wanted to install 151 MB of stuff... |
| 19:23.34 | stew | vertz: 1 year after wheezy is released |
| 19:23.45 | vertz | which will be approx? |
| 19:23.47 | vertz | a few years? |
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| 19:23.53 | stew | vertz: there is no way to know |
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| 19:24.10 | sfyn | Who here knows what squeeze package the resolveip utility is in |
| 19:24.51 | stew | sfyn: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:24.59 | stew | judd: file resolveip |
| 19:25.02 | judd | resolveip in squeeze/i386: mysql-server-5.1: usr/bin/resolveip |
| 19:25.14 | jhutchins_lt | sfyn: Or /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 19:25.19 | sfyn | thanks |
| 19:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | Or that. |
| 19:25.44 | stew | (aptitude searching won't help here) |
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| 19:26.06 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Sorry, didn't realise you were on line. I'm outa here. |
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| 19:26.25 | stew | he loves to give people stuff to read that has nothing to do with their questions... |
| 19:27.07 | sfyn | stew: well thanks for your help |
| 19:29.01 | Justin | the 'search' factoid is the right one |
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| 19:34.21 | flamingspinach | stew: when I add and remove kde in aptitude, it still wants to install a bunch of packages, including for example kde-window-manager because xinit recommends xterm | x-session-manager | x-window-manager (provided by kde-window-manager) | x-terminal-emulator |
| 19:34.21 | flamingspinach | but 1) I have both xterm and something that satisfies x-terminal-emulator, and 2) I ran `aptitude -R`, so why does aptitude still want to install kde-window-manager? I imagine the reason for the other stuff is similar |
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| 19:35.36 | stew | flamingspinach: i don't know. what are you actually trying to accomplish? |
| 19:36.12 | flamingspinach | just trying to test whether removing the kde package would actually get rid of all the stuff adding the kde package during vertz's debian install would have installed |
| 19:36.23 | stew | flamingspinach: /msg dpkg remove kde |
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| 19:37.16 | flamingspinach | oh, sorry. I misread what you said to vertz. Thanks. |
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| 19:39.20 | topro | debian squeeze: mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --size=max won't change raid6 md0 size after having grown partitions of all devices in md0 by about 10gb, any idea? |
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| 19:42.33 | schofld | i am a complete newb a webserver performance. has anyone got any suggestions for monitoring/logging |
| 19:42.51 | frostschutz | topro: isn't it --array-size=max? |
| 19:43.21 | kevke | Hey ppl, I forgott to install openssh and now I can't connect to the server anymore. Since there is an open ssh server installed, is there a way to start it? |
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| 19:44.14 | nocturnal | kevke: no, unless you have a kvm of some sorts |
| 19:44.14 | schofld | i just need some to track what actually happens when the server stops responding. (i all ready am pretty sure it is swapping out) |
| 19:44.52 | kevke | i HAV(sorry, I have a rescue system, which I have access to |
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| 19:45.19 | babilen | kevke: What's the status? |
| 19:45.20 | frostschutz | topro: also, the kernel might not have reread the partition tables if the disk was in use |
| 19:45.32 | babilen | kevke: Good to see you are still alive :) |
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| 19:46.08 | psycho | hello there |
| 19:46.20 | kevke | Well still screwed, but a bit unscrewed |
| 19:46.27 | topro | frostschutz: i've reboote since partition resize |
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| 19:46.33 | schofld | has anyone got any recommendations for performance monitoring/logging |
| 19:46.51 | amoe | schofld: maybe munin |
| 19:46.59 | topro | frostschutz: man page say that --array-size is temporary until restart of array, use --size instead ?!? |
| 19:47.12 | frostschutz | topro: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Growing also suggests that it might be necessary to remove, and readd, each drive before using --grow. That'd suck because you'd have to wait for each drive to resync... |
| 19:47.16 | amoe | schofld: nagios / icinga for monitoring |
| 19:47.22 | schofld | amoe: going to check it out |
| 19:47.34 | psycho | I'm using a 4.1.0 Xen @ Centos 5.6 64 bits, I've installed a Debian Squeeze using a netboot install, but now I can't boot debian with pygrub, somebody can help me, please? |
| 19:48.04 | schofld | amoe: thanks.. google'ing it right now |
| 19:48.15 | amoe | schofld: munin is better at graphing trends, nagios is good for noticing problems, afaik |
| 19:48.19 | Justin | psycho: what happens when you try? |
| 19:48.31 | psycho | the pygrub can't find any data |
| 19:48.56 | topro | frostschutz: thats bad news. but a good hint. thanks, gonna give it a try if nothing else help. |
| 19:49.00 | stew | schofld: i'd also recommend both munin and nagios/icinga |
| 19:49.02 | psycho | but I'm sure that grub.conf is ok, I'm using a lvm |
| 19:49.31 | Justin | psycho: does pygrub support lvm? |
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| 19:49.35 | stew | schofld: can you tell us more about the symptoms that occur when you are having a problem? |
| 19:50.21 | psycho | Justin: I don't know, I've read some tutorials and people configure with lvm |
| 19:50.25 | psycho | but I'm not sure |
| 19:50.53 | kevke | can I somehow install openssh over a rescue shell? |
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| 19:51.23 | frostschutz | topro: if you're using metadata 1.1 or 1.2, maybe update device size will do the trick |
| 19:51.36 | vertz | stew & flamingspinach: thanks |
| 19:52.01 | Justin | kevke: is the rescue system the debian rescue system? |
| 19:52.08 | topro | frostschutz: i'm using metadata 1.2, how to update device size? |
| 19:52.11 | schofld | stew: well. pingdom has only reported one time when the server timed out. I have been runing http page loads ever 1min via pingdom |
| 19:52.11 | kevke | sort of |
| 19:52.32 | Justin | kevke: because the debian installer has ssh built in if you turn it on |
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| 19:52.54 | frostschutz | topro: stop the array and then assemble it with the --update=devicesize option, see manpage for details |
| 19:53.00 | kevke | how do i do that? |
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| 19:53.35 | stew | schofld: is it a high traffic site? |
| 19:53.46 | topro | frostschutz: gonna give it a try. thanks a lot |
| 19:53.47 | schofld | no that |
| 19:53.50 | psycho | Justin: pygrub works only if I install the pv debian on a img file? |
| 19:54.09 | schofld | stew:no thats what puzzles me |
| 19:54.16 | t3a | Hey, on the command xrandr --output DFP4 --left-of DFP3 |
| 19:54.18 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.20 | t3a | Here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/URqRfPEV |
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| 19:55.51 | thewanderer1 | guys, I've got a host configured with IPMItool, but it's not responding to ARP even though I've enabled that. any clues? |
| 19:56.13 | schofld | stew: it is a site that i run a few simple pages on. I am really just trying to learn about having a web server running. I want to host my next project myself. Thought it would be cool. Am going to start test's on Google app engine running Python and Django real soon |
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| 19:57.14 | Famic | hi |
| 19:57.17 | stew | schofld: well if you have apache error logs from when the timeout occurred, I'd look first for "server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting" |
| 19:57.34 | stew | schofld: and if you find that, the first thing i'd do would NOT be to raise the MaxClientss setting :) |
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| 19:58.06 | Famic | anyone could tell me why those iptables don't allow for passive ftp connection ? http://pastebin.com/dSnqy4yT |
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| 19:58.28 | Famic | ftp is on port 7007 |
| 19:58.39 | Famic | damn, I pasted the rong rules |
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| 19:58.58 | thewanderer1 | also, I can't enable ARP generation - it is "stuck" in Off position |
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| 19:59.19 | schofld | stew: i checked the logs and couldn't find any errors that correlated with the outage that pingdom reported. This is why i have been looking for some good monitoring software (thanks BTW) |
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| 19:59.42 | schofld | errors* alt reports |
| 19:59.46 | Justin | Famic: i don't think ip_contrack_ftp will detect ftp sessions on random ports |
| 19:59.51 | schofld | alt logs |
| 19:59.56 | Famic | here goes : http://pastebin.com/sPaqcM6e |
| 20:00.00 | stew | Justin: is that needed for passive ftp? |
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| 20:00.32 | stew | schofld: could it be just that there was a temporary routing issue keeping whatever pingdom is from being able to hit your server? |
| 20:00.46 | Justin | stew: i think so |
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| 20:00.53 | stew | Justin: why would it be? |
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| 20:01.03 | kevke | is there a way to install or s |
| 20:01.08 | kevke | start ssh |
| 20:01.16 | rjd | how can I change the language of an installed debian? It seems to be responding in a local language, and not english |
| 20:01.17 | Justin | Famic: can you just not use ftp? ftp is broken crap from 1970 |
| 20:01.27 | kevke | form the rescue mashine |
| 20:01.30 | Famic | the way I see it, ftp is allowed on a port, conntrack sees that next one will be made on another one and allows it |
| 20:01.32 | stew | kevke: "aptitude install ssh" "/etc/init.d/ssh start" |
| 20:01.51 | Famic | Justin: for file transfer that's the easier I know of |
| 20:02.00 | Justin | Famic: does conntrack "see" it when you are running ftp on a random port? |
| 20:02.02 | kevke | I would have to hav shell access for this task, is there anoter way |
| 20:02.09 | stew | kevke: wait, you want to start ssh from the rescue machine? do you mean configure it to start automatically? |
| 20:02.20 | Justin | Famic: http is easy. scp is easy. ftp is crap |
| 20:02.20 | stew | kevke: if you don't have shell access, what kind of access do you have? |
| 20:02.21 | kevke | yes |
| 20:02.40 | kevke | I have access to the rescue mashine |
| 20:02.45 | Famic | Justin: http is old crap too then... not really meant for file transfer |
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| 20:02.51 | schofld | stew: Pingdom is a service that pings etc your server form all over the world and logs the response times. RackSpace say there was no outages so i guess it is my fault and problem. |
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| 20:03.06 | Justin | Famic: if you say so |
| 20:03.28 | stew | kevke: but from the rescue machine you can chroot into your install getting you a shell there, right? |
| 20:03.51 | kevke | never done that before |
| 20:03.52 | amoe | schofld: if there's successful responses in the access logs from the period of the outage i wouldn't worry |
| 20:03.52 | Famic | Justin: afaik http wasn't designed for file transfer |
| 20:03.58 | stew | schofld: rackspace wouldn't necessarily know about some a temporary network failure somewhere in between pingdom and rackspace |
| 20:03.58 | kevke | possibly |
| 20:04.01 | Famic | I mean real files |
| 20:04.08 | Famic | big files for instance |
| 20:04.09 | Justin | Famic: "real files" what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 20:04.28 | Famic | big files for instance |
| 20:04.55 | stew | http was certainly designed for file transfer |
| 20:04.56 | Justin | Famic: what aspect of the http protocol is insufficient for the transfer of "big" files? |
| 20:05.04 | schofld | stew: is a ca10mb memory margin (10mb from 100% used memory) to little for a server :) though i have no proof that the memory ran out at the time |
| 20:05.44 | stew | schofld: see http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 20:06.03 | schofld | stew: I guess so. Think i will start monitoring and wait and watch |
| 20:06.09 | Famic | Justin: maybe you're right. I'm not up for this kind of debate atm. I need to make the ftp working. |
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| 20:06.59 | kevke | @stew i can do chroot, since I can do passwd |
| 20:07.04 | Justin | Famic: you need ftp? |
| 20:07.22 | stew | kevke: is openssh-server installed on the machine? |
| 20:07.25 | Famic | Justin: it's still a standard around here |
| 20:07.31 | kevke | should that mean, I can install or turn on missing stuff too this way? |
| 20:07.34 | stew | kevke: if not, installing it should install it and make it run by default on startup |
| 20:07.43 | Famic | I could vouch for something else, but I'd need to dig in the pros and cons before that |
| 20:07.56 | schofld | stew: the last link has thought me a lot. Thank's |
| 20:07.59 | Justin | Famic: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 20:08.04 | stew | kevke: if you can chroot into your install then yes, you can just run "aptitude install openssh-server" |
| 20:08.05 | kevke | so I mount my filesystem, chroot it and do the apt-get, rigth? |
| 20:08.14 | stew | kevke: yes |
| 20:08.15 | kevke | brilliant |
| 20:08.16 | Famic | seems to me fixing that iptable issue comes first, then eventually check for other ways to transfer files |
| 20:08.34 | amoe | FTPS is fine I think |
| 20:08.56 | gnarface | the only problem with transferring large files over http is that most browsers have an internal hard limit of around 1GB on POST data size. |
| 20:09.10 | stew | Famic: are you not able to connect at all? or what? |
| 20:09.11 | gnarface | curl probably would be fine though |
| 20:09.34 | gnarface | personally prefers scp |
| 20:09.41 | Famic | stew: I connect, but I get stuc avec PASV on "[1] Opening data connection IP: 88.190.229.142 PORT: 13457" |
| 20:10.00 | stew | isn't that active ftp and not passive ftp? |
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| 20:10.13 | Justin | stew: no, it's passive. both modes of ftp are equally broken |
| 20:10.13 | Famic | PASV is for passive |
| 20:10.31 | Famic | [1] 227 Entering Passive Mode (88,190,229,142,52,145) |
| 20:10.49 | gnarface | once i made an ftp client in php |
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| 20:10.57 | stew | oh, right but it is still opening another arbitrary port... |
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| 20:11.03 | stew | which is why you need conntrack, yes |
| 20:11.03 | Famic | it is |
| 20:11.25 | Justin | yes, but he has not configured conntrack to watch for ftp sessions on strange ports |
| 20:11.28 | Famic | I wonder if conntrack really works on my box... all related/established rules seem to fail |
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| 20:11.57 | stew | Famic: you need to load nf_conntrack_ftp with the ports parameter to tell it what port to watch |
| 20:12.03 | Justin | so he could configure workaround on top of workaround to get ftp to work, or just install something like nginx and be done in 30 seconds |
| 20:12.04 | stew | Famic: by default its going to look at port 21 |
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| 20:12.24 | stew | parm: ports:array of ushort |
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| 20:12.59 | Famic | stew: so I just have to somehow tell conntrack that I'm using port 7007 for ftp ? |
| 20:13.14 | stew | Famic: yes, and that somehow is by passing it "ports=7007" |
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| 20:13.43 | NuclearMeltdown | I'm thinking about installing Debian version 5 since it has gtk+1 still |
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| 20:15.20 | asarch | One stupid question: In older releases of Debian, the font style was a little thick, in this release however, it is not. Why? |
| 20:15.40 | asarch | (Like the style of the font from Fedora) |
| 20:15.59 | Famic | stew: it doesn't seem to help :/ |
| 20:16.19 | stew | Famic: what did you do to make sure that option was passed? |
| 20:16.32 | Famic | modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp ports=7007 |
| 20:17.00 | stew | Famic: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:17.08 | schofld | stew: :D i have 182mb of ram free in buff/cache :D |
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| 20:17.14 | stew | Famic: (and modprobe on a module which is already loaded does nothing) |
| 20:17.19 | Famic | stew: 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 20:18.21 | stew | hmm, i don't see an ip_conntrack_ftp in 2.6.32, but I see a nf_conntrack_ftp |
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| 20:18.48 | Famic | it doesn't complain when I try to load it in the shell |
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| 20:19.27 | nvictor | hey all |
| 20:19.38 | nvictor | i know you guys hate vmware but i have a question |
| 20:19.44 | stew | Famic: i'd recommend "modprobe -r nf_conntrack_ftp ; echo options nf_conntrack_ftp ports=7007 > /etc/modprobe.d/mygoofyftpport.conf ; modprobe nf_conntrack_ftp" |
| 20:19.59 | Famic | stew; it worked after unloading the module :) |
| 20:20.12 | Famic | with ip_conntrack_ftp |
| 20:20.20 | nvictor | if i take the iso and did the installation myself, would i be able to turn on things like usb, sound, etc...? |
| 20:20.49 | Famic | stew: thanks for your help. now I'm gonna check about scp ;) |
| 20:21.18 | ranix | nvictor: that has more to do with vmware than debian |
| 20:21.33 | stew | Famic: if your users are familiar with ftp, sftp should work similarly (which runs over ssh). most modern gui ftp clients will support sftp |
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| 20:21.58 | nvictor | ranix: i am not sure |
| 20:22.07 | ranix | nvictor: I am |
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| 20:23.21 | nvictor | ranix: i trust you then. |
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| 20:23.38 | nvictor | ranix: i just asked in #vmware. didn't know there was a channel |
| 20:23.55 | kevke | WORKED thanx a bunch Stew |
| 20:23.59 | nvictor | ranix: it's really annoying, i can't use the usb ports, the printer port, the sound is off... |
| 20:24.21 | stew | kevke: :) |
| 20:24.37 | ranix | nvictor: there should be settings for usb devices in the virtual machine settings. I don't know if I would expect the lpt port to work |
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| 20:26.12 | nvictor | ranix: really? |
| 20:26.33 | Petto | hi guys i trying use find -name '*,v' to not match but I dont know. for exemple I need search all files that not match *,v |
| 20:27.01 | Hydroxide | Petto: you want to do find ! -name '*,v' |
| 20:27.04 | Hydroxide | Petto: the ! is negation |
| 20:27.18 | Petto | Hydroxide, tnks! |
| 20:27.56 | Hydroxide | np |
| 20:27.57 | stew | or find -not -name '*,v' |
| 20:27.57 | iateadonut | i'm installing imagemagick from source onto a debian server and wondering if anyone has any tips that i should know before installing? |
| 20:28.07 | Hydroxide | stew: yeah, I guess -not works too. |
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| 20:29.04 | nvictor | ranix: i mean for the printer. as far as the usb is concerned, vmware player can't change the initial configurations of your machine |
| 20:29.30 | Justin | iateadonut: why are you installing imagemagick from source? |
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| 20:30.17 | ranix | nvictor: I have no idea what you think you're talking about at the moment btw |
| 20:31.41 | iateadonut | justin, for some functions that aren't available from the imagemagick in the repositories. |
| 20:31.53 | Justin | iateadonut: compile time options? |
| 20:32.03 | DammitJim | is there a utility for configuring dual monitors? besides editing an xorg.conf directly? |
| 20:32.11 | iateadonut | but i just realized that i want them in php and not just in imagemagick. |
| 20:32.13 | wols | DammitJim: xrandr |
| 20:32.29 | nvictor | ranix: :) sorry |
| 20:32.43 | schofld | stew: Thanks for your help |
| 20:32.47 | DammitJim | wols, how is that different from arandr? |
| 20:33.06 | wols | nvictor: virtualbox 4.x OSE can access USB devices. it also has sound |
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| 20:33.10 | schofld | amoe: thanks for the tips |
| 20:33.13 | DammitJim | I see there is a package in wheezy for x11-xserver-utils |
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| 20:33.29 | wols | DammitJim: no clue, never heard of arandr |
| 20:33.29 | nvictor | ranix: what i meant is this. i downloaded a fully configured vm and i'm using the free vmware player not the workstation. the vmware player is limited and not being able to change some of the stuff... |
| 20:33.30 | DammitJim | +1 wols ... I'm running vbox4 and it works |
| 20:33.35 | nvictor | wols: yes :) |
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| 20:33.53 | nvictor | wols: plus it's free |
| 20:34.01 | nvictor | i wonder why i started with vmware |
| 20:34.08 | schofld | got to log out now. have to get some sleep. Sleep sux. |
| 20:34.12 | nvictor | i already ported all my projects here :( |
| 20:34.14 | stew | vmware free? hahaha |
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| 20:34.38 | wols | nvictor: IIRC you can move/convert disk images between the two |
| 20:34.43 | nvictor | stew: vmware player i wrote, mind you |
| 20:34.43 | schofld | Good night everyone |
| 20:34.59 | nvictor | wols: for real? let me look that up |
| 20:35.04 | stew | if it were free it would be in debian :) |
| 20:35.07 | wols | nvictor: debian squeeze most likely has vbox 3.x tho, which doesn't do USB |
| 20:35.23 | nvictor | well nvm then |
| 20:35.28 | craigevil | ,versions virtualbox-ose |
| 20:35.31 | judd | Package virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; wheezy: 4.0.4-dfsg-2; sid: 4.0.8-dfsg-2 |
| 20:35.31 | _jmz_ | hey, can anyone think of a reson why ps3mediaserver (java) would draw UI graphics. like this, http://i.imgur.com/lwb9r.jpg |
| 20:35.40 | wols | at least not in the free version. also, vbox4 only does usb 1.1 freely |
| 20:35.47 | _jmz_ | output->http://pastebin.com/SDsVXCrj |
| 20:35.49 | DammitJim | yeah, it's got 3.2.10 squeeze |
| 20:36.02 | Justin | _jmz_: java has issues with some tiling window managers |
| 20:36.10 | _jmz_ | hmmm damn |
| 20:36.19 | _jmz_ | i like using awesomewm |
| 20:36.45 | _jmz_ | Justin: any insight it what may cause it? |
| 20:36.54 | _jmz_ | so i can dig around |
| 20:36.55 | Justin | _jmz_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/721215/how-can-i-fix-a-java-gui-program-swing-that-it-works-with-awesome-wm |
| 20:37.04 | Justin | _jmz_: http://www.google.com/search?q=java+awesome+wm |
| 20:37.09 | _jmz_ | ah sweet |
| 20:37.12 | _jmz_ | thanks |
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| 20:38.32 | stew | oh wow. i'm debugging a java application in Xephyr right now because this screws up in my window manager too, never knew about this fix |
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| 20:42.30 | phogg | got to love swing |
| 20:43.21 | stew | ugh |
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| 20:43.35 | stew | "Runtime link error - it appears that libXt got loaded before libXm which is not allowed." |
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| 20:46.25 | twobitsprite | phogg: I prefer polka |
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| 20:49.20 | buhman | ls and cp operations on a usb mass storage drive seem to be taking way to long |
| 20:49.39 | buhman | I'm not even sure how I even got the initial directory disting because it's seems to have hung completely |
| 20:49.46 | cla | Justin: http://dpaste.com/550231/ No "quiet" in cmdline and kernel is silent. |
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| 20:50.05 | phogg | twobitsprite: Compared to swing isn't any alternative preferable? |
| 20:50.21 | ranix | cla: ttyS1 |
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| 20:50.49 | cla | ranix: Yes, i'm in ttyS1 |
| 20:51.17 | gnarface | say i am blocking all traffic to and from a specific remote host like this: "iptables -A INPUT -s 9.9.9.9 -j DROP && iptables -A OUTPUT -d 9.9.9.9 -j DROP" .... how would i alter that line to make it not interfere with ssh but just block everything else? |
| 20:51.27 | iateadonut | i've got a file that downloads when it is called directly from a web browser instead of called by POST from another file. - what's the problem? |
| 20:52.04 | ranix | cla: I think your cmdline is fucked up. Why do you have console=tty0 and why is /dev/ttyS1 instead of just ttyS1? |
| 20:52.05 | cla | ranix: That's all from ttyS1 as i'm logged in there from IBM's IMM. |
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| 20:53.30 | qwd | Anyone tried Google-talkplugin on Debian Squeeze AMD64? Guess it's a long shot but just thought I'd ask before wasting time trying another version that doesn't work. |
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| 20:53.42 | ranix | cla: I think what's happening is that you're trying to output things to nonexistent devices until getty starts giving output on the serial port |
| 20:53.51 | twobitsprite | phogg: my point exactly... polka sucks :P |
| 20:53.53 | cla | ranix: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/configure-kernel-grub.html |
| 20:54.05 | twobitsprite | sorry... </offtopic> |
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| 20:54.41 | cla | ranix: That's not the point as grub takes care of it. |
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| 20:54.47 | ranix | cla: you're getting serial output from grub, you're getting no serial output from the kernel because your cmdline is messed up, and then you're getting serial output from getty |
| 20:55.00 | cla | ranix: As you can see in my snip, there's grub's "Booting 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64'" |
| 20:55.14 | rutski | Say I have /bin/csh, which is some program completely unrelated to csh, which I named "csh" because I didn't know that csh was already the name of a popular shell |
| 20:55.19 | ranix | cla: I am right, you are confused. Fix your cmdline |
| 20:55.21 | cla | ranix: Hmm, ok. So what do you suggest? |
| 20:55.22 | stew | gnarface: add "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT" before the rules that drop |
| 20:55.30 | rutski | If I then install the csh shell via apt, will it clobber my existing /bin/csh? |
| 20:55.50 | ranix | set your cmdline to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=a17843c0-accc-45c4-bada-ec5bfe3e5bde ro console=ttyS1,9600n8 |
| 20:56.09 | cla | Ok, i'll try. |
| 20:56.12 | ranix | k |
| 20:56.20 | gnarface | stew: that's it? it'll automatically be smart enough to keep track of return traffic for that ssh connection then? thanks |
| 20:57.24 | stew | gnarface: oh, no, you typically always want to have a "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT" near the top of your ruleset |
| 20:57.40 | gnarface | ah |
| 20:57.49 | stew | gnarface: (also for -A OUTPUT) |
| 20:57.49 | gnarface | and THAT will keep state |
| 20:57.50 | gnarface | got it |
| 20:58.52 | stew | gnarface: yeah, that makes it so that your rules really only act on traffic trying to initiate new connections. traffic for existing connections gets left alone |
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| 21:02.33 | case_ | hi all |
| 21:02.58 | case_ | I am trying to setup my wireless parameters at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:03.07 | case_ | but I does not work :( |
| 21:03.23 | case_ | I do what I see on manuals, I killed NetworkManager... |
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| 21:03.57 | randommm | hi guys, I'm experiencing a problem with my deb squeeze install (dual boot with win). Suddenly, after a reboot, I get a error: unknown filesystem> Entering rescue mode... So I write the command "set root=hd(0,5)" and then "boot" but it doesn't like the "boot" one. How can I start without booting from live cd? |
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| 21:06.46 | cla | randommm: Press Enter key and then just press "b" to boot. |
| 21:07.08 | randommm | cla, Enter key after the set command then b? |
| 21:07.41 | stew | case_: show us your interfaces file. tell us what you are trying. tell us how you know it doesn't work... |
| 21:08.41 | case_ | alright... |
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| 21:10.19 | iateadonut | nevermind. the file it sends is empty. |
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| 21:11.36 | case_ | there u go |
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| 21:11.57 | case_ | http://pastebin.com/ncp2SKmd |
| 21:12.16 | case_ | for wlan1 works fine, starts the Ad-hoc. |
| 21:12.57 | case_ | btw, how to disable NetworkManager withoud uninstalllin it? |
| 21:13.26 | phogg | what's wrong with uninstalling it? |
| 21:13.43 | case_ | phogg, right now is the only tool that allows me to connect |
| 21:13.50 | stew | case_: are you running "ifup wlan0"? or what? |
| 21:13.53 | case_ | eventually iwconfig can do the job |
| 21:14.02 | case_ | stew? |
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| 21:14.25 | phogg | networkmanager connects to networks? that's news to me. I thought it was just a wrapper for the real tools. |
| 21:14.27 | stew | case_: what command are you running to try to ring up wlan0? or are you just booting up and expecting it to be brought up automatically? |
| 21:14.32 | case_ | you mean I need to add a "auto wlan0"? |
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| 21:14.38 | case_ | oh crap I forgot :p |
| 21:14.47 | stew | case_: you do if you want it automatically brought up :) |
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| 21:14.57 | stew | case_: but "ifup wlan0" should bring it up |
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| 21:15.04 | case_ | Essid name withinn "'s? |
| 21:15.20 | case_ | ifconfig wlan0 up didn't |
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| 21:15.44 | case_ | is ifup wlan0 eq to ifconfig wlan0 up? |
| 21:15.53 | stew | case_: hmm think perhaps you don't want the "'s |
| 21:16.22 | case_ | ok |
| 21:16.32 | stew | case_: no, "ifconfig wlan0 up" wouldn't do anything with iwconfig, nor start dhclient, ifconfig doesn't know anything about /etc/netowrk/interfaces, ifup does read /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:17.09 | case_ | oh stew, fantastic! I didn't know this |
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| 21:17.16 | case_ | 10 years and I am still this n00b |
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| 21:17.24 | case_ | this channel is GREAT! |
| 21:17.40 | case_ | may Jesus bless all of you, from its grave... |
| 21:17.57 | cla | ranix: When i removed console=tty0 bit it didn't boot at all. |
| 21:19.11 | case_ | how can I test all this without rebooting? |
| 21:19.18 | case_ | kill NetworkManager |
| 21:19.20 | case_ | and then |
| 21:19.34 | case_ | /etc/init.d/networking restart '??? |
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| 21:20.10 | case_ | see u in a while |
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| 21:22.17 | case_ | ok, jsut worked like charm, but got |
| 21:22.26 | case_ | SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 21:22.27 | case_ | Failed to bring up wlan1. |
| 21:22.27 | case_ | done. |
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| 21:22.42 | xxiao | anyone runs debain on VIA chips |
| 21:22.46 | case_ | but the Ad-hoc shows at iwconfig... |
| 21:22.52 | case_ | and I can see it from another computer |
| 21:23.06 | xxiao | neither 5.0/6.0 runs on C3(EPIA M10000) anymore, 4.0 was fine |
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| 21:28.36 | xxiao | Lynx__: empathy is junk, could never get my sip account work with it until switching to ekiga |
| 21:28.52 | kingsley | Where are the bridge options for /etc/network/interfaces documented? I'd like to see what options like "bridge-ports", "bridge_stp" and "bridge_macwait" do, and how to use them. |
| 21:29.08 | Lynx__ | xxiao: ic, time to switch to pidgin |
| 21:29.19 | xxiao | pidgin, yes, favorite |
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| 21:30.46 | killown | I have two network interfaces eth0 and eth1 and i just wanna know how get the "eth1" as default route automatically if the "eth0" goes down? |
| 21:31.12 | stew | kingsley: generally in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown ; but the bridging stuff might be in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils |
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| 21:34.08 | case_ | how to start dnsmasq when I ifup a device? |
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| 21:38.05 | kingsley | stew: I'm happy to report that the version of /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz on my computer documents some bridging options. |
| 21:38.13 | kingsley | stew: Thank you. |
| 21:38.34 | kingsley | stew: I may upgrade it and look for more. |
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| 21:39.37 | cla | ranix: Any other options? :) |
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| 21:53.19 | case_ | how to start dnsmasq when booting? |
| 21:54.29 | kukks | Hi all. How can i enable the eth1 port on a "Guruplug plus" running debian? Port eth0 is running fine and /etc/network/interfaces contains both settings for eth0 and eth1 with static IPs |
| 21:54.44 | amphi | case_: it should be started automatically by its init script |
| 21:55.06 | case_ | who's init script? |
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| 21:55.18 | case_ | u mean /etc/dnsmasq? |
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| 21:59.43 | Famic | so... sftp woks fine, except that it just goes 2 time slower than ftp on the actual file transfer :/ |
| 22:00.07 | Famic | also that implies having a shell |
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| 22:01.27 | Famic | I checked out scponly but it doesn't fit my needs (i.e. having a webadmin account that has /var/www as home dir and no bunch of crap around it) |
| 22:03.13 | jhutchins_lt | Famic: Symlink a home directory to /var/www |
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| 22:03.20 | case_ | hi |
| 22:03.36 | Famic | jhutchins_lt: symlinks aren't allowed in scponly |
| 22:03.38 | jhutchins_lt | I just use the users ~/www as web root for that host. |
| 22:03.42 | case_ | dnsmasq does not start when I boot up, how to make it start when booting up? |
| 22:03.57 | jhutchins_lt | I allow shells, but there's a way around that. |
| 22:04.10 | Bushmills | mount --bind would do, if not setting home dir of an account in /etc/passwd |
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| 22:04.55 | case_ | how to launch a service when booting up, please! |
| 22:05.21 | Bushmills | case_: sysv init run level links |
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| 22:05.35 | Famic | jhutchins_lt: if there is a way to have scp with no shell (just enough to use scp/sftp) and to chroot the user to a non-home directory that can be interesting, but I couldn't find much on the matter except for scponly and rssh that don't fit |
| 22:05.35 | case_ | bushmills: ? |
| 22:05.36 | iateadonut | what repo do i add if i want stuff that's not super duper perfectly stable? i just want to install a single package (a newer php5-imagick) |
| 22:05.58 | Famic | iateadonut: unstable ? |
| 22:06.08 | Bushmills | case_: that's the answer to your question "how to launch a service when booting up, please!" |
| 22:06.26 | iateadonut | i'll look into it. thanks, famic |
| 22:06.32 | case_ | bushmills: that tells nothing to me :( |
| 22:06.35 | gnarface | iateadonut: if you are on stable (currently squeeze) it is recommended that you first check for the package you want in the backports repo. i'd be surprised if a new enough set of php5 stuff wasn't in there already |
| 22:06.49 | Famic | iateadonut: maybe testing too |
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| 22:07.00 | gnarface | iateadonut: check backports BEFORE you go unstable or testing |
| 22:07.19 | Bushmills | case_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysvinit |
| 22:07.21 | Famic | but if you want latest php version, I'd recommend the dotdet repositories |
| 22:07.27 | Famic | dotdeb |
| 22:07.49 | case_ | bushmills: thanks dude |
| 22:07.57 | gnarface | if you want the latest zero-day bugs too |
| 22:08.05 | gnarface | great plan |
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| 22:08.20 | Famic | gnarface: dotdeb is quite reliable afaik |
| 22:08.55 | gnarface | no comment |
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| 22:09.41 | Famic | gnarface: do you have something against dotdeb in particular or all non .debian.org packages ? |
| 22:09.52 | iateadonut | still on lenny |
| 22:09.56 | case_ | but still no idea how to just tell dnsmasq to start at bootup... |
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| 22:10.23 | gnarface | Famic: i have something against installing bleeding-edge builds of php in production. fyi i've been programming php for 11 years now. |
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| 22:10.30 | amphi | case_: it's not running? |
| 22:10.50 | case_ | I have to start it manually :( |
| 22:10.54 | amphi | case_: ps aux |
| 22:10.59 | Bushmills | case_: man update-rc.d-insserv or man update-rc.d |
| 22:11.12 | gnarface | Famic: also you cavalierly advised he just throw testing and/or unstable repos into his stable box. BAD advice. backports first ALWAYS advise they check backports first if they're already on stable. |
| 22:11.13 | amphi | case_: ps aux | grep dnsmasq shows nothing? |
| 22:11.25 | case_ | not right after booting up |
| 22:11.34 | case_ | now it does because I had to start it manually |
| 22:11.38 | Famic | gnarface: he's asking for unstable... I just gave him a name for it :D |
| 22:11.57 | amphi | case_: perhaps you need to set something in /etc/default/dnsmasq ? it's a while since I used it |
| 22:11.58 | Famic | didn't say if it was a good idea |
| 22:12.16 | gnarface | Famic: enough rope to hang themselves, i get it. really i do... but come on try to give them what they need more than what they want. this channel is supposed to be about help :-p |
| 22:12.30 | Famic | "what repo do i add if i want stuff that's not super duper perfectly stable?" |
| 22:12.42 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.21 | iateadonut | gnarface, i appreciate your advice. |
| 22:13.36 | Famic | you either want stable or you don't |
| 22:14.02 | gnarface | iateadonut: fwiw pecl will still work for updating unpackaged php modules "the php way" not "the debian way" but its not advised either unless what you need isn't in backports. |
| 22:14.43 | gnarface | Famic: are you familiar with SNS? |
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| 22:14.57 | iateadonut | imagick module version 2.1.1-rc1 - that's what is on debian; imagick module version 3.0.0RC1 - that is on mandriva (development); script doesn't work on debian because of a fill function. |
| 22:15.13 | Famic | gnarface: doesn't ring a bell |
| 22:15.17 | gnarface | !sns |
| 22:15.17 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 22:15.18 | iateadonut | so, just looking at all my options. tried with gd, but it doesn't do exactly what i need it to, but i could rewrite a bunch of other stuff. |
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| 22:15.45 | iateadonut | it's not that new. i've just got maybe an old version of debian, so i'll have to see what i can do about that. |
| 22:15.51 | Famic | gnarface: I agree on that :) |
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| 22:15.54 | amphi | iateadonut: 3.0.1-1 in testing, for what it's worth |
| 22:15.56 | gnarface | iateadonut: what version of debian do you have? |
| 22:15.57 | thewanderer1 | which of the ttyS* is COM3? |
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| 22:16.03 | Famic | I never used unstable or testing (or perhaps in the very beginning) |
| 22:16.13 | Jckf | I need a unrar command that can unpack to stdout. Halp? |
| 22:16.23 | Famic | the only exception is the dotdeb packages because I need php5.3 for doctrine2 |
| 22:16.29 | case_ | look what I've found |
| 22:16.38 | case_ | this line in /etc/insserv.conf |
| 22:16.39 | case_ | $named+named +dnsmasq +lwresd +bind9 $network |
| 22:16.50 | gnarface | Famic: isn't 5.3 in squeeze ? |
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| 22:17.31 | Famic | gnarface: that's worth checking actually... I upgraded very recently to squeeze |
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| 22:18.23 | iateadonut | Debian 5.0 Minimal 64 Bit lenny |
| 22:18.30 | icebrain | Jckf: 7z can extract rar files and it has the -so flag to "Write data to StdOut". |
| 22:19.04 | icebrain | never tried that, though |
| 22:19.15 | gnarface | iateadonut: there's half your problem. lenny is deprecated now. you should upgrade to squeeze A.S.A.P. |
| 22:20.46 | iateadonut | just back everything up and upgrade... usually upgrading the server doesn't cause any problems? |
| 22:20.46 | Famic | how can I check which version of php is on the default debian repository ? |
| 22:21.25 | gnarface | ,versions php5 |
| 22:21.26 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.6-11 |
| 22:21.31 | gnarface | that do it for you Famic ? |
| 22:22.16 | Famic | ,versions mysql |
| 22:22.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql' was found in i386. |
| 22:22.24 | somiaj | iateadonut: yes the debian upgrade process is usually fairly painless |
| 22:22.26 | iateadonut | ,versions php5-imagick |
| 22:22.26 | judd | Package php5-imagick on i386 -- lenny: 2.1.1RC1-1; squeeze: 3.0.0~rc1-1; wheezy: 3.0.1-1; sid: 3.0.1-1+b1 |
| 22:22.36 | somiaj | iateadonut: but backups are always a good idea. |
| 22:22.54 | gnarface | iateadonut: it depends largely on how many weird customizations you've done and how out-of-date your lenny install is currently. USUALLY its pretty painless but if this server is something mission critical you should really read the release notes first |
| 22:22.58 | gnarface | !release notes |
| 22:22.59 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 22:23.05 | iateadonut | but i can probably just get a backport of the package i need for lenny , which is that 3.0.0 |
| 22:23.41 | iateadonut | well, i'm going to see what i can do for a backport first and then maybe upgrade if i can't. when it gets to the point that i'm always installing backports, i'll have to upgrade. |
| 22:23.42 | gnarface | iateadonut: true but you don't want to be stuck with a lenny system after its EOL |
| 22:23.50 | iateadonut | ah |
| 22:23.52 | somiaj | iateadonut: or you can create your own backport. Note that security updates will be droped from lenny in the future. |
| 22:24.24 | gnarface | iateadonut: the long term path of least pain is to stay on current stable - which was lenny but is now squeeze |
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| 22:26.52 | Famic | gnarface: what will happen if I remove the php53.dotdeb.org repository from sources.list ? will my php fall back to the current one in debian repo or will it stay as is and never evolve ? |
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| 22:27.35 | somiaj | Famic: apt/aptitude won't upgrade a package automitcally unless its a newer version |
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| 22:27.53 | somiaj | Famic: you can tell it to manually use another package though. |
| 22:27.54 | gnarface | Famic: depends on the actual versioning of the packges and their dependencies (and the options you pass to apt-get) |
| 22:28.15 | Famic | somiaj: so once debian repo has a newer version it'll take over ? |
| 22:28.24 | gnarface | Famic: you'd be well advised to back up your php.ini and other relevant customizations and purge the old php package first |
| 22:28.45 | gnarface | Famic: (and probably any dependencies it pulled from dotdeb) |
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| 22:28.47 | somiaj | Famic: yes, but if one of them uses a ephoc version it can appear as newer |
| 22:29.10 | somiaj | Famic: there are the smaller details of gnarface, depending on how many you got from that repo. |
| 22:29.30 | nkuttler | hrm, is there a way to preserve the file mode of binaries after an upgrade? |
| 22:29.48 | gnarface | somiaj: there's a document somewhere on the debian versioning syntax and how it determines "newer" vs "older" somewhere right? |
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| 22:30.40 | Famic | ok thanks. I don't know about the dependencies... The install is recent and I can afford do eradicate everything from dotdeb now that php5.3 is here. I just don't know how to do so k;) |
| 22:31.04 | somiaj | gnarface: I belive it would be in the matianer guide. |
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| 22:31.24 | iateadonut | thanks, everyone. this room is always really helpful. |
| 22:32.43 | thewanderer1 | nkuttler: try dpkg-statoverride |
| 22:33.50 | nkuttler | thewanderer1: nice, thanks |
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| 22:35.40 | baud115200 | ok so here's the deal |
| 22:36.07 | baud115200 | I'm on getty, 115200 baud, in irssi, and the bottom line is cut off |
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| 22:36.25 | case_ | hi |
| 22:36.32 | baud115200 | more like it merges with the messages I get from irssi |
| 22:36.34 | case_ | well, dnsmasq complains when booting up |
| 22:36.36 | case_ | it says |
| 22:36.44 | case_ | that socket is used already |
| 22:36.54 | thewanderer1 | case_: got any other DHCP/DNS server? |
| 22:36.58 | gnarface | case_: are you ALSO running bind9 on the same box? |
| 22:37.30 | thewanderer1 | ncurses programs should work on vt100, no? |
| 22:37.39 | case_ | I got no bind9 |
| 22:37.52 | gnarface | thewanderer1: you have an actual vt100?! |
| 22:38.19 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: not really, no... I wish... my IPMI BMC emulates one |
| 22:38.31 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i don't suppose you can switch it to xterm? |
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| 22:38.37 | thewanderer1 | no, I can't |
| 22:38.43 | gnarface | thewanderer1: how about vt101? |
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| 22:38.49 | thewanderer1 | there is also some ANSI option... no vt101, either |
| 22:38.55 | gnarface | thewanderer1: vt220? |
| 22:39.00 | iateadonut | Couldn't find package apt-get |
| 22:39.12 | thewanderer1 | let's see if I can actually fetch a list from the NVRAM |
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| 22:39.36 | case_ | is this udhcpd a dhcp server? |
| 22:40.20 | case_ | I uninstalled udhcpd |
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| 22:40.24 | case_ | let me reboot |
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| 22:41.06 | gnarface | thinks case_ is confusing dhcp with dns. |
| 22:41.34 | gnarface | thinks he just uninstalled something important and won't be back |
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| 22:45.51 | iateadonut | what if your ssh connection breaks in the middle of dist-upgrade? |
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| 22:46.37 | lapsusbrutus | Hi I set up a nice debian install for laptop for my mother in law, I want to clone the system for other computers too, any suggestions how? FAI might be a little overkill, but considering it for the learning experience :) Other nice options? |
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| 22:49.00 | somiaj | iateadonut: you can run it in a screen to be safe -- also if it breaks during the download you haven't lost anything. If it breaks durning the actuall install you can suaully manually reconfigure the packages with dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:49.01 | gnarface | lapsusbrutus: slowest but most thorough way is to use dd but that level of thoroughness is only advised if 1) time is not an object 2) the physical machines are identical (or at least the target drive is not smaller) |
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| 22:52.00 | gnarface | lapsusbrutus: typically myself i just use tar and manually edit relevant config files after-the-fact (or write a bash script to do so if its a large set of clones) but there is some cloning functionality in either dpkg, apt, or aptitude, i'm just drawing a blank on which and how to get you docs |
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| 22:52.50 | qwd | Did I just try to remove / ? "rmdir -p /emul/ia32-libs" gave me "rmdir: failed to remove directory `/': Device or resource busy" |
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| 22:53.15 | gnarface | qwd: lol why did you do that? |
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| 22:54.00 | gnarface | qwd: probably one of your other shells is still cwd'd into that directory. get them out and you can go.... although i have to ask. wtf are you doing!? |
| 22:54.06 | qwd | gnarface: Laziness, I just went up the history to the mkdir command and edited it to say rmdir. Brief moment of panic there... |
| 22:54.17 | romel | hi guys. is there any tools that allow to monitor route to specified host and saves reports about unreachability into log-file ? |
| 22:54.33 | romel | kind of mtr logging :) |
| 22:54.46 | gnarface | what's wrong with traceroute |
| 22:54.48 | gnarface | ? |
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| 22:55.07 | Bombo | hi |
| 22:55.27 | romel | i need to catch a problem when it appears and to understand where the route breaks and when |
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| 22:55.56 | gnarface | so... watch -s 1 traceroute [some ip address] > [some log file] 2>&1 |
| 22:55.58 | gnarface | right? |
| 22:56.09 | Bombo | i want to compile something for 64bit on a 32bit debian, is it possible to get the needed 64bit libs to link in one specific dir? |
| 22:56.10 | gnarface | or something like that. watch might be -n instead of -s |
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| 22:56.30 | Bombo | is there a command to get 64bit stuff, extract it into /opt/64bit/ e.g.? |
| 22:56.59 | blip2 | 9~~~~~~~~ |
| 22:57.41 | ZykoticK9 | Bombo, i believe you'd need a chroot for that (but i have no idea really). Good luck. |
| 22:57.48 | romel | gnarface: thanks a lot |
| 22:58.07 | gnarface | romel: that works for you? |
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| 22:58.48 | romel | gnarface: looks that my watch doesn't provide -s option but I get the idea and it's great :) |
| 22:58.49 | lapsusbrutus | gnarface: yeah, tar is nice: Would this be the way you do it? tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys / |
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| 22:58.52 | syockit | In aptitude, when viewing a package that is provided by many others, the list of packages that provides it is unsorted. Is there nothing I can do about it? There doesn't seem to be an option for it |
| 22:59.00 | gnarface | romel: not a very packaged or refined solution, and a bit low tech, but you'd be shocked at how many really advanced problems can be solved with a simple bash script |
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| 22:59.51 | romel | gnarface: that's right. but why do you call it low tech? it's simple and that's enough, i think |
| 23:00.00 | Bombo | ZykoticK9: hmm i guess a complete 64bit debian into a chroot will do hehe but i'm not sure if i need a COMPLETE debian install |
| 23:00.10 | romel | especially in my situation |
| 23:00.42 | gnarface | lapsusbrutus: i've found with most versions of tar that using the long options (-- prefix) requires the short options (cvpzf) to have prefixes as well, so i would do it something like tar -z -v -p --exclude=/proc --exclude=/whatever -f backup.tgz but yea, you get the diea |
| 23:01.03 | gnarface | er, idea |
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| 23:01.57 | lapsusbrutus | thanks :) |
| 23:02.12 | gnarface | romel: i guess its very high tech, you're right. by low tech i think i meant "so simple and uncomplicated that 99% of the bosses i've ever had would throw it out offhand and buy a piece of software that has 120,000$ per-seat license fee to solve the problem BADLY) |
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| 23:02.59 | gnarface | then to cover for the failure they'd openly mock me for my solution being "ghetto" |
| 23:03.19 | romel | gnarface: but it produces a binary file which as I uderstand contains difference between outputs. is there any way to get somwrhing readable ? |
| 23:03.31 | gnarface | apparently ghetto + always works is trumped in business conference rooms by "shiny and new and expensive" |
| 23:04.08 | romel | :) |
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| 23:04.26 | gnarface | sorry i think i just got confused with two threads from people i was helping concurrently |
| 23:04.34 | menlo | hi all :-) looks like i made a mistake and instaled 6.0.1a-amd64 from unetbootin stick and without a connection to the internet. Bypassed the network setup by saying "set up later'. Now I am trying to set up networking. It can see the RaLink device, but commands like ifconfig show only localhost. |
| 23:04.43 | gnarface | oh wait |
| 23:04.45 | gnarface | i did not |
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| 23:04.59 | gnarface | romel: traceroute is giving you binary output? are you sure of that? |
| 23:05.43 | romel | gnarface: no, the logfile which produces the watch with 'watch -d traceroute 8.8.8.8' |
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| 23:06.19 | gnarface | romel: don't use watch -d use watch -n [seconds] |
| 23:06.46 | gnarface | romel: watch -n 1 traceroute 8.8.8.8 >/tmp/traceroute_logging_madness.txt 2>&1 |
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| 23:06.58 | case_ | hey |
| 23:07.03 | case_ | I desinstalled udhcpd |
| 23:07.08 | gnarface | romel: if you want it running in the background: watch -n 1 traceroute 8.8.8.8 >/tmp/traceroute_logging_madness.txt 2>&1 & |
| 23:07.12 | case_ | but dnsmasq won't start :( |
| 23:07.20 | romel | oh, great |
| 23:07.30 | romel | gnarface: thank you one more time :) |
| 23:07.53 | gnarface | case_: you've confused dhcp with dns. try file -n tcp 53 to see what's using it |
| 23:07.57 | gnarface | romel: happy to be of service |
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| 23:08.14 | gnarface | case_: WAIT |
| 23:08.17 | gnarface | case_: don't do that |
| 23:08.24 | gnarface | case_: i meant fuser -n tcp 53 |
| 23:08.26 | case_ | I did already |
| 23:08.49 | case_ | fuser reported nothing |
| 23:08.55 | gnarface | case_: try fuser -n udp 53? |
| 23:09.09 | case_ | nop |
| 23:09.22 | gnarface | case_: that's really weird. do you have inetd running? |
| 23:10.13 | case_ | root@sprawl:/home/case# ps -aux | grep inetd |
| 23:10.13 | case_ | Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
| 23:10.14 | case_ | root 2193 0.0 0.0 3316 792 pts/1 S+ 01:36 0:00 grep inetd |
| 23:10.19 | case_ | just that, so, no? |
| 23:10.32 | gnarface | case_: you meant ps aux but yea |
| 23:10.44 | case_ | the thing is, if I start dnsmasq manually everything will work. |
| 23:10.57 | case_ | but dnsmasq does not start on boot up |
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| 23:11.02 | case_ | ans that is killing me |
| 23:11.08 | arn | a |
| 23:11.16 | gnarface | case_: so its just failing to start on boot? that's really weird. something in your boot sequence must be interfering. iptables firewall perhaps? |
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| 23:11.47 | case_ | I got iptables yes |
| 23:11.48 | biberao | hi |
| 23:11.56 | case_ | for a NAT, ip masquerading |
| 23:12.24 | biberao | would anyone explain the differences related to squeeze lenny and such? I can google (im Xless) thanks |
| 23:12.30 | gnarface | case_: try just moving dnsmasq to later in the boot sequence |
| 23:12.49 | case_ | how????? |
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| 23:12.54 | case_ | how?! |
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| 23:13.07 | gnarface | biberao: the important difference is that lenny is deprecated (old stable) and you should migrate to squeeze (new stable) |
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| 23:13.20 | biberao | oh ok thanks |
| 23:13.21 | case_ | $named+named +dnsmasq +lwresd +bind9 $network |
| 23:13.26 | Lovecraft | How y'all? |
| 23:13.36 | case_ | u mean chanching the order in this line? |
| 23:13.37 | case_ | $named+named +dnsmasq +lwresd +bind9 $network |
| 23:13.54 | case_ | do I reallt need bind9? |
| 23:13.56 | gnarface | case_: wtf is that line? looks like freaking gentoo to me |
| 23:14.16 | case_ | is at $named+named +dnsmasq +lwresd +bind9 $network |
| 23:14.19 | case_ | sorry at |
| 23:14.24 | case_ | /etc/insserv.conf |
| 23:15.02 | gnarface | case_: sorry insserv is still kinda a mystery to me too but i thought you said you didn't HAVE bind9 installed, so why is it in that line? |
| 23:15.19 | case_ | no idea |
| 23:15.29 | case_ | can i uninstall bind9 in case I have it? |
| 23:15.41 | gnarface | case_: well do a dpkg -l |grep bind -i9 |
| 23:15.44 | gnarface | case_: well do a dpkg -l |grep bind -i |
| 23:15.45 | gnarface | i mean |
| 23:16.19 | gnarface | that will conclusively tell you whether or not bind is installex |
| 23:16.23 | case_ | spits out looots of crap |
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| 23:16.31 | gnarface | shouldn't be loots |
| 23:16.34 | gnarface | pastebin it |
| 23:16.43 | gnarface | you did: dpkg -l |grep bind -i |
| 23:16.45 | gnarface | right? |
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| 23:17.27 | case_ | http://pastebin.com/aQMWVCwS |
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| 23:18.43 | biberao | i cant download the iso uhuh |
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| 23:19.46 | gnarface | case_: well i don't see it |
| 23:20.16 | menlo | hey - installed 6.0.1a without a network line, figuring I would set up the netowrking later. During the install script, I told it to not set up the network right now. Now I want to set up the network. lspci identified the network device, ifconfig only shows localhost. Can I trigger the network setup script from the terminal? |
| 23:20.36 | menlo | I now have the network line plugged in |
| 23:20.39 | gnarface | case_: but something has to be blocking you. what do you get when you do this? ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*dns* |
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| 23:21.17 | case_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 oct 30 2010 /etc/rcS.d/S13pppd-dns -> ../init.d/pppd-dns |
| 23:21.35 | Bushmills | menlo: /etc/network/interfaces describes your devices |
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| 23:21.55 | Bushmills | your interfaces, actually |
| 23:22.12 | gnarface | case_: well, its a puzzle to me. |
| 23:22.16 | case_ | hmmm |
| 23:22.30 | gnarface | case_: i'd be suspicious of unpackaged software |
| 23:22.43 | biberao | give me a mirror to download debian iso |
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| 23:22.46 | biberao | please |
| 23:22.47 | case_ | ¿? |
| 23:23.13 | gnarface | case_: as in, stuff NOT part of the debian distro that is on your system. none of my checks took that possibility into account. for all i know someone could have installed bind9 by source |
| 23:23.28 | case_ | no |
| 23:23.35 | MrFrood | biberao: there is a full list on the debian web-site |
| 23:23.36 | case_ | bind9 is not here |
| 23:23.37 | Bushmills | !interfaces |
| 23:23.37 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 23:23.45 | biberao | MrFrood: cant access |
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| 23:24.47 | menlo | @Bushmills wouldn't ifconfig at least show the device inactive? |
| 23:24.57 | Bushmills | ifconfig -a would |
| 23:25.04 | case_ | Bushmills: look in my insserv I got this line |
| 23:25.07 | case_ | ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*dns* |
| 23:25.09 | case_ | sorryç |
| 23:25.17 | case_ | $named+named +dnsmasq +lwresd +bind9 $network |
| 23:25.24 | Zelozelos | on the dl page theres several debian-6.0.1a-amd64-cd-xxx.iso's which one(s) do i need to dl for a regular setup on a lappie (64bit)? |
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| 23:25.26 | case_ | but I got some iptables rules. |
| 23:25.35 | MrFrood | biberao: can't acess http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer ..? |
| 23:25.38 | case_ | can I move dnsmasq after $network? |
| 23:25.45 | Bushmills | case_: that's nice. me too. |
| 23:25.48 | biberao | ya cant |
| 23:25.49 | biberao | :| |
| 23:25.56 | menlo | bastard! :-) There it is! I will set up the interfaces file. |
| 23:26.15 | menlo | cycle the network |
| 23:26.23 | menlo | that should do it - right? |
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| 23:26.42 | menlo | does the installation routine basically insert info into the interfaces file? |
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| 23:27.07 | Zelozelos | on the dl page theres several debian-6.0.1a-amd64-cd-xxx.iso's which one(s) do i need to dl for a regular setup on a lappie (64bit)?? |
| 23:27.07 | case_ | what the hell means $named, Named is operational ???? |
| 23:27.28 | MrFrood | biberao: that's strange |
| 23:27.30 | menlo | Zelozelos - what is y our computer - which chip and what language? |
| 23:27.33 | Bushmills | case_: i haven't tried that, so i can't five an authoritative "yes" or "no" |
| 23:27.36 | Bushmills | give |
| 23:27.54 | Zelozelos | menlo its a dell vostro intel duo and english |
| 23:27.56 | Bushmills | menlo: yes, essentially |
| 23:28.07 | MrFrood | biberao: try searching for a torrent of a debian iso then |
| 23:28.15 | case_ | how tro try this, can I fo telinit 1? |
| 23:28.19 | Zelozelos | menlo its a dell vostro intel duo and english |
| 23:28.20 | case_ | or do I have to reboot? |
| 23:28.25 | menlo | @Zelozelos CD1 will be fine |
| 23:28.31 | Zelozelos | ok thank you menlo |
| 23:28.36 | Bushmills | menlo: it may als set up a static name server in resolv.conf in case no dhcp is involved, if you're asked for one |
| 23:28.42 | Bushmills | also ... |
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| 23:30.07 | biberao | ok downloading |
| 23:30.16 | biberao | MrFrood: i wanted a ftp mirror to be faster |
| 23:30.38 | menlo | @Bushmills if ifconfig -a shows both wlan and eth0, shouldn't I jus tbe able to lcick in a DHCP LAN line to the machine and DHCP will pick up what it needs? |
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| 23:31.01 | MrFrood | biberao: what part of the world are you in? |
| 23:31.03 | Bushmills | menlo: right |
| 23:31.43 | menlo | @Bushmills and if I do this, and it doesn't pull in the DHCP data, but I KNOW the line offers it up, then do I need to bring up the interface? |
| 23:31.59 | Bushmills | (a dhcp line into the interfaces file for the corresponding interface, that is) |
| 23:32.18 | MrFrood | Bushmills: and what processor (x86 amd64 etc) |
| 23:32.26 | MrFrood | oops biberao |
| 23:32.48 | Bushmills | " doesn't pull in the DHCP data, but I KNOW the line offers it up," .. then there's something wrong |
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| 23:33.36 | case_ | fucking crap |
| 23:33.47 | case_ | no way I can make dnsmasq start when booting up |
| 23:33.49 | menlo | @Bushmills OK, so can I simply re-run the installtion routine for the networking, only? |
| 23:34.20 | Bushmills | menlo: no idea what the package to reconfigure it would be |
| 23:34.43 | biberao | MrFrood: portugal |
| 23:34.49 | biberao | its a 3rd world country :p |
| 23:35.07 | Bushmills | probably nobody bothers because doing a few modifications to interfaces is simple enoufh |
| 23:35.11 | Bushmills | enough |
| 23:35.33 | menlo | @Bushmills WHen I try to insert the USB stick that was the original installation device, it doe snot recognize it. The machine will not even boot to it. In grub, I ask for CLI and say USB and it shows nothing |
| 23:35.53 | menlo | @Bushmills doesn't recognize it upon reboot |
| 23:36.03 | Bushmills | you say USB? is you microphone turned on? |
| 23:36.47 | menlo | @Bushmills mic is not turned on. |
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| 23:37.11 | Bushmills | then even shouting wouldn't help |
| 23:37.19 | menlo | ah... |
| 23:37.28 | menlo | it IS a proper acronym :-) |
| 23:37.42 | menlo | U.S.B. :-) |
| 23:37.48 | Bushmills | "say" is a verb, last time i checked |
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| 23:38.45 | MrFrood | biberao: ftp://mirrors.fe.up.pt/debian-cd/ |
| 23:38.52 | case_ | how can I etll NetworkManager NOT to start, without installing it? |
| 23:38.58 | biberao | thats it |
| 23:38.59 | biberao | thanks |
| 23:39.00 | menlo | is there a way to redirect a debian boot to a usb device? |
| 23:39.07 | biberao | let me start gpm |
| 23:39.11 | Bushmills | otherwise "asking for CLI and saying USB" doesn't make it very clear to me what you're doing |
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| 23:40.15 | Bushmills | or why grub would know about your usb devices |
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| 23:41.08 | menlo | @Bushmills sorry - in order to try and reinstall - I decided to just boot the machine again with the same installation media (usb stick) as before. This time the machine will not boot into the usb stick. Then I ask grub to go to Command Line Interface (cli) and type usb. This shows no usb devices. |
| 23:41.17 | Bushmills | i picture you sitting in front of a grub boot screen and chanting "usb! usb! usb!" |
| 23:41.52 | menlo | @Bushmills I was thinking that maybe grub would defer to what the BIOS may see... but I am only guessing to figure a way to defer the boot to a usb device |
| 23:41.54 | Pirolocito | lsusb |
| 23:42.38 | Bushmills | menlo: booting from usb device is a task for your bios |
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| 23:43.20 | menlo | @Bushmills Is there a camera in my house? (re: usb! usb!) |
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| 23:43.43 | biberao | brb reboot |
| 23:43.48 | biberao | thanks |
| 23:43.59 | menlo | ok, so I will figure out how to just reinstall using hte bios on the zotac. |
| 23:44.00 | case_ | hey now |
| 23:44.02 | Bushmills | the webcam in your notebook which was broadcasting |
| 23:44.03 | case_ | Computer freezes during startup: Cleaning: /tmp |
| 23:44.22 | case_ | I reboot, and goes fine, I rebot again ang hangs up again... |
| 23:44.24 | case_ | so anoying |
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| 23:44.57 | menlo | @Bushmills Did you see the twitter stuff from Josh Kaufman - his mac laptop was recently stolen and he invoked an app that takes a picture of the perpatrator |
| 23:45.00 | Bushmills | case_: by not installing it |
| 23:45.10 | biberao | wish me luck new kernel coming buy |
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| 23:45.30 | case_ | Bushmills: u mena NetworkManager? |
| 23:45.39 | menlo | @Bushmills needless to say he posts these pictures on the web. and Oakland CA police help nab the guy |
| 23:45.40 | Bushmills | "how can I etll NetworkManager NOT to start, without installing it?" |
| 23:45.54 | Pirolocito | opinion, best terminal browser? |
| 23:46.01 | menlo | lynx |
| 23:46.02 | Pirolocito | lynx links? elinks w3m' |
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| 23:46.29 | MrFrood | lynx for gopher, elinks for web |
| 23:47.50 | menlo | terminal browser discussion always kills the mood |
| 23:47.52 | Bushmills | links2 for frame buffer console |
| 23:48.16 | MrFrood | Bushmills: links2 -g ..? |
| 23:48.23 | Bushmills | -G |
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| 23:48.34 | Pirolocito | menlo: :) |
| 23:49.22 | MrFrood | prefer w3m with img thing to the links -G option and in general prefer elinks with fbi to both |
| 23:49.23 | Pirolocito | Bushmills: hugopeixotom.... |
| 23:50.44 | Kobaz | i'm having problems with fonts: http://i.imgur.com/UwT1u.jpg |
| 23:51.03 | Kobaz | certain applications will not display fonts correctly... but things like chrome or firefox or gedit work fine |
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| 23:51.56 | Bushmills | seems -g and -G are interchangeable now. afair that wasn't always the case |
| 23:52.20 | Pirolocito | brb |
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| 23:54.53 | Kobaz | so it could be a race condition |
| 23:54.55 | Kobaz | er |
| 23:55.03 | Kobaz | weongwrong chan |
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| 23:57.15 | Pirolocito | i'm back |
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