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| 00:22.58 | ZenWalker | when linux-image 2.6.39 on testing? |
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| 00:25.56 | daemonkeeper | Because it has unsatisfied dependencies |
| 00:26.10 | daemonkeeper | See http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
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| 00:28.08 | ZenWalker | ah ok thanks |
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| 00:37.03 | mohamed-ragab | i have an error when edit file get me "E297: Write error in swap file" |
| 00:40.41 | tux0 | mohamed-ragab what file are you trying to edit? |
| 00:41.27 | mohamed-ragab | i tray to type bash script , |
| 00:42.27 | tux0 | how, what command are you using? how are you going about editing this file? |
| 00:42.41 | mohamed-ragab | i found the problem i not have any space |
| 00:42.46 | tux0 | mohamed-ragab do you mean when you run your script you get that error? |
| 00:42.55 | tux0 | ok |
| 00:42.59 | mohamed-ragab | thanks |
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| 00:44.31 | jpinx | is it possible to install debian on a XP netbook using putty and debootstrap ? |
| 00:44.47 | daemonkeeper | ehm |
| 00:45.01 | daemonkeeper | How exactly do you imagine would that work? |
| 00:45.16 | stew | i don't see why not, but I don't know how putty would be involved |
| 00:45.38 | daemonkeeper | Indeed |
| 00:45.42 | daemonkeeper | Or XP |
| 00:45.46 | gnarface | i don't really know how debootstrap would be involved either for that matter. all you need is a web browser, a cd burner (or usb key that's bootable) and the reset button |
| 00:46.04 | stew | i don't see why you couldn't run debootstrap in xp |
| 00:46.17 | gnarface | isn't there a website that does this? (albeit not supported here) |
| 00:46.22 | gnarface | debianonwindows or something? |
| 00:46.23 | daemonkeeper | stew: Because you need to execute Linux binaries. |
| 00:46.32 | stew | daemonkeeper: do you? |
| 00:46.37 | stew | daemonkeeper: which? |
| 00:46.59 | gnarface | jpinx, daemonkeeper, stew: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 00:47.02 | gnarface | :) enjoy |
| 00:47.12 | daemonkeeper | stew: Yes, you could go through stage 1 which requires only some Perl, but it chroots into it |
| 00:47.50 | jpinx | to give the whole pictur.. it is a eeepc with preinstalled XPhome and I have to use mobile 2G gprs connection through PCsuite in windows |
| 00:48.35 | daemonkeeper | stew: After all you need to install a boot loader of course, if you could manage to reach that point. |
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| 00:56.05 | menlo | is there an advantage to run ext3 over ext4, on an SSD? |
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| 01:02.31 | gnarface | menlo: i think not. i could be wrong but i think with SSD's its more about not using swap and optimizing your block size and alignment |
| 01:02.41 | gnarface | menlo: which can be done with any filesystem, really |
| 01:03.24 | jpinx | gnarface: trying that website install... seems easy so far :) |
| 01:03.53 | gnarface | jpinx: lol good luck man. let us know how it works out |
| 01:04.11 | jpinx | just slow over gprs G2 |
| 01:04.35 | dym | menlo: just use ext4 with noatime |
| 01:04.36 | gnarface | ouch |
| 01:04.38 | gnarface | and expensive |
| 01:04.50 | menlo | @dym thanks! |
| 01:05.13 | dym | yw |
| 01:05.29 | jpinx | yea 30 minutes to get initrd.gz |
| 01:05.48 | gnarface | jpinx: are you doing this over a cellphone? |
| 01:05.55 | dym | wonder what kinda kiddies are behind this current "lulzsec" thing... |
| 01:06.01 | jpinx | gnarface: yexs |
| 01:06.13 | gnarface | jpinx: god save your poor soul |
| 01:06.13 | delimax | dym: their site is hilarious |
| 01:06.21 | dym | jpinx: bit of a sadistic feel, eh? (: |
| 01:06.28 | dym | delimax: agreed. |
| 01:06.36 | jpinx | gnarface: no choice here |
| 01:06.38 | delimax | dym: did you see the 'mute' button? |
| 01:06.48 | dym | delimax: yea |
| 01:06.56 | delimax | dym: cheeky |
| 01:07.17 | dym | Anyone well with Corosync, Heartbeat and PAcemaker? |
| 01:09.26 | dym | menlo: dont forget to enable garbage collection with "discard" |
| 01:09.35 | dym | so noatime,discard |
| 01:10.09 | menlo | hmm.. not sure about that... noatime is fstab... same is true with discard? |
| 01:10.20 | dym | yes |
| 01:10.24 | menlo | where is the discard designation set? |
| 01:10.26 | menlo | ok |
| 01:10.31 | dym | same place |
| 01:10.46 | jpinx | logs out to save bandwidth |
| 01:12.38 | menlo | dym do I need nodiratime as well? |
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| 01:13.51 | dym | one implies the other. |
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| 01:13.56 | dym | so: no. |
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| 01:14.55 | menlo | @dym k. |
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| 01:17.15 | menlo | @dym yeah... owcomputing is selling 40GB 'enterprise' level SSD drives with TRIM support for $100. Installing this on a Zotac nettop |
| 01:17.29 | dym | sounds good |
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| 01:17.49 | menlo | 40GB, but that is all I need. Decided to install everything on one partition |
| 01:18.20 | Arrowmaster | by default, relatime is used so noatime wont have a large effect over default |
| 01:18.41 | dym | assuming defaults is used (: |
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| 01:20.44 | aill | could someone give me a simple command to test RDNS is working on my linux install? |
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| 01:22.21 | killown | if anyone here had to load balance two business dsl links that has fixed ips, what should be the best solution? using what tool? |
| 01:22.33 | aill | could someone give me a simple command to test RDNS is working on my debian install? |
| 01:23.40 | dym | killown: shorewaöö |
| 01:23.52 | dym | s/shorewaöö/shorewall/ |
| 01:24.14 | killown | let me look for |
| 01:24.16 | gnarface | killown: i don't think you need any special tools that aren't part of the default debian base install. all you need is to understand how to configure "equal cost multipath routing" (essentially just give your router two gateways. shorewall is overkill |
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| 01:24.25 | dym | killown: http://www.shorewall.net/MultiISP.html |
| 01:24.41 | dym | gnarface: although its kinda "easier". |
| 01:25.06 | dym | aill: are you running a dns server? |
| 01:25.08 | killown | gnarface, dym this can't be done with ip and iptables? |
| 01:25.13 | aill | no |
| 01:25.17 | dym | killown: can. |
| 01:25.22 | gnarface | killown: you don't even need iptables. you just need standard network configuration |
| 01:25.39 | gnarface | killown: this is a STOCK FEATURE of network connected linux |
| 01:25.57 | gnarface | killown: its just not one that's very widely used and therefore documentation is hard to find |
| 01:26.08 | gnarface | killown: try googling "equal cost multipath routing" |
| 01:26.23 | killown | gnarface, look that http://serverfault.com/questions/93678/load-balancing-nat-ing-multiple-isp-connections-on-linux this is useful? |
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| 01:27.01 | menlo | That was written in 09. ... still true? |
| 01:27.22 | gnarface | killown: afaik if you just put two ethernet cards in it and give them each a distinct and correct configuration what you desire will be a direct sideffect - might even be possible with only one ethernet card that has 2 ip addresses though |
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| 01:28.21 | menlo | During installation - installer is asking me in 'configuring pkg manager' about downloading from a mirror (this was a CD1 only install)... what does it mean when the installer claims 'could potentially download a large amount of files'? 1GB? 20GB? |
| 01:28.21 | gnarface | killown: you're not routing for two networks right? you're just routing for ONE network that has two upstream connections. ignore that link |
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| 01:29.06 | killown | gnarface, no, its just load balance two DSL links that has distinct ip and gateways |
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| 01:29.15 | gnarface | menlo: if you point the package manager at the cd it won't matter |
| 01:29.52 | gnarface | menlo: far less than 1gb just on initial connection though. its installing the packages themselves that can get out of hand if you don't know what you want specifically |
| 01:30.05 | MadRush | im running debian squeeze on my desktop, the cdrom was working fine before and now it doesn't show up in /dev |
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| 01:30.52 | gnarface | MadRush: recent upgrade to squeeze? the kernel version change called a udev version change that changed the naming convention for drives |
| 01:31.17 | gnarface | MadRush: check for /dev/sr0 instead of whatever you were looking for before |
| 01:31.24 | menlo | @gnarface Does this just mean that it is grabbing the header info for packages? I cna always just shut this off after the initial install, correct? |
| 01:32.06 | gnarface | menlo: yea. it only gets the package list index and related cruft when you request it |
| 01:32.09 | killown | my point is how load balancing without distribute packets over two routes , because that routes has different internet ip and it could causes alot errors, I think. |
| 01:33.14 | menlo | @gnarface is there a need to add selectiosn to the sources files for peculiar hardware devices, after all this is done? Or is that rare? |
| 01:33.22 | gnarface | killown: some connections COULD go out on one interface and come back on the other. i think there are issues with that but i don't think they're pervasive showstoppers |
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| 01:34.17 | gnarface | menlo: i'm not even sure what you mean by that statement so i'm going to assume you're a shellshocked gentoo user and you should not worry about that in debian |
| 01:34.47 | menlo | @gnarface haha! OK. thanks. |
| 01:35.11 | gnarface | menlo: your debian sources should in most standard cases only need to have one entry and that entry being the correct one for your arch (i386, amd64, armel, etc) |
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| 01:39.10 | menlo | @gnarface also during the installation process. it is asking me about additional packages. What are the default packages it will install for Web Server (Apache?!?), File Server (Samba?), SQL (MySQL?). Can I just alter these with dkpg afer the fact?? |
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| 01:39.41 | dvs | menlo: install it afterwards |
| 01:40.17 | gnarface | menlo: yes of course but you would probably be better off just selecting "base system" and only installing packages you specifically know you want with apt-get or aptitude (dependencies will be handled automatically with either choice) |
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| 01:40.38 | jorgp | is there something wrong with squeeze BD 1 iso? I can not mount it on mac, downloaded it via jigdo |
| 01:40.43 | MadRush | gnarface: I did update recently along with a new kernel version, but even so the cd rom worked. I don't believe I have any updates between that big update I did and now. |
| 01:41.20 | gnarface | MadRush: hardware dies. are you saying you can't find the dev node for your cdrom or you're saying you found it but it doesn't work? |
| 01:41.20 | MadRush | gnarface: my fstab does still say /dev/scd0 but I don't have either scd0 or sr0 in /dev |
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| 01:41.36 | MadRush | for some reason I don't have the device node. |
| 01:41.53 | gnarface | MadRush: ls -l /dev/sr* |
| 01:41.57 | gnarface | MadRush: that return anything? |
| 01:42.17 | MadRush | nope nothing |
| 01:42.26 | MadRush | nor is ls -l /dev/scd* |
| 01:42.35 | gnarface | MadRush: bad sign. check dmesg ? |
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| 01:43.08 | Darvince | hurr |
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| 01:43.27 | Darvince | hurr |
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| 01:43.31 | Darvince | hurr |
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| 01:43.34 | Darvince | hurrdurr |
| 01:43.34 | atomic7732_ | durr |
| 01:43.35 | Darvince | durr |
| 01:43.36 | atomic7732_ | durr |
| 01:43.37 | Darvince | hurr |
| 01:43.38 | atomic7732_ | hurr |
| 01:43.42 | atomic7732_ | durr |
| 01:43.44 | atomic7732_ | durr |
| 01:43.45 | Darvince | hurr |
| 01:43.46 | Darvince | durr |
| 01:43.47 | gnarface | Darvince: derp? |
| 01:43.48 | atomic7732_ | durr |
| 01:43.56 | Darvince | hau to do face |
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| 01:44.02 | atomic7732_ | i dun feed |
| 01:44.06 | Darvince | asji |
| 01:44.10 | gnarface | !ops Darvince |
| 01:44.11 | Darvince | gnarl |
| 01:44.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: gnarface complains about: Darvince |
| 01:44.14 | atomic7732_ | qwertyuiop[ |
| 01:44.14 | Darvince | 1028 |
| 01:44.18 | gnarface | !ops atomic7732_ |
| 01:44.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: gnarface complains about: atomic7732_ |
| 01:44.20 | Darvince | yhnujmik, |
| 01:44.23 | stew | Darvince: atomic7732_ can we please cut this out? |
| 01:44.32 | Darvince | qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmik,ol.p;/['] |
| 01:44.36 | atomic7732_ | yay op |
| 01:44.52 | Darvince | !op |
| 01:44.53 | MadRush | i hate the internet |
| 01:44.54 | gnarface | test your echo i'm stupid bot in your own channel |
| 01:44.58 | Darvince | i love the internet |
| 01:45.00 | Darvince | ajjajjaj |
| 01:45.00 | atomic7732_ | peeple complaining |
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| 01:45.03 | atomic7732_ | about ush |
| 01:45.11 | atomic7732_ | +q? |
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| 01:45.17 | dvs | q! |
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| 01:49.32 | MadRush | gnarface: what can I look for in dmesg ... theres an abundance of stuff for ata and scsi etc nothing refering to sr0 or scd0 itself. |
| 01:49.50 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:50.20 | menlo | GN TrueDD |
| 01:50.32 | gnarface | MadRush: :( sorry i don't know. grep (case insensetive) for the manufactuer name of the drive? |
| 01:50.57 | gnarface | MadRush: maybe just try the region where it wakes up the optical drives and check all adjacent lines? |
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| 01:51.19 | gnarface | MadRush: try plugging in some other optical drive to see if it magically works? |
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| 01:51.49 | gnarface | MadRush: check the BIOS even to make sure *it* sees the poor thing |
| 01:51.54 | MadRush | gnarface: the bios picks it up |
| 01:52.06 | gnarface | well that at least is a good sign |
| 01:52.15 | gnarface | can you boot a livecd from it? |
| 01:52.28 | gnarface | that would be a fair indicator that its not dead |
| 01:52.30 | MadRush | if it didn't I'd def think it was the drive, but I think its something with the OS more likely. |
| 01:52.33 | MadRush | true ill try that |
| 01:53.04 | menlo | i've run into external optical drives having issues. Also internals with old firmware having issues... |
| 01:53.41 | menlo | i know he's gone, but just adding 2 cents... which can't even buy a sweet n low packet these days |
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| 01:54.04 | gnarface | the ONLY issue i've had with (several dozen) optical drives over the period of about 16 years has been drive head alignment related failure |
| 01:54.30 | gnarface | in the old pre-PC days we'd just get out our disk doctors and our screwdrivers and crack the drive case and realign the drive manually |
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| 01:54.41 | gnarface | these days you just throw them away.... |
| 01:54.45 | gnarface | (sigh) |
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| 01:54.57 | menlo | @gnarface wait - what about dust!?!? |
| 01:55.14 | gnarface | menlo: canned air or a vacuum cleaner or a good set of lungs |
| 01:55.20 | menlo | wow |
| 01:55.36 | gnarface | menlo: talking about magnetic drives here - no laser lens mind you |
| 01:56.42 | menlo | @gnarface - there was a time when I would install other releases of Linux on top of older releases. This particular drive had a previous installation of debian on it. If I did a complete install on the entire drive, will it wipe the MBR as well? |
| 01:56.48 | gnarface | vic 1541 combo floppy drive and 3-channel audio device anyone? no? |
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| 01:57.29 | dvs | load "*",8,1 |
| 01:57.35 | gnarface | thank you dvs |
| 01:57.38 | menlo | @gnarface the olden day s I would start to see a collection of junk in the boot loader. I am asking - does a new install on this kind of drive wipe away old grub entries? |
| 01:57.47 | gnarface | dvs: press play on tape you bad thing |
| 01:57.56 | dvs | heh |
| 01:58.10 | iateadonut | just upgraded to squeeze from lenny; apache works fine but mysql is screwed... when i type sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start or restart or anything, it doesn't do anything but doesn't give an error. |
| 01:58.26 | iateadonut | mysql -u root -p gives me Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 01:58.28 | gnarface | menlo: i'm sure it will but i think if you select "expert" mode install in the debian installer it asks you whether to hose the MBR or not |
| 01:59.20 | gnarface | menlo: its *supposed* to be smart enough to find and recreate grub entries for all relevant bootable partitions mind you - the windows ones are hit and miss though and might still need to be manually added after the fact |
| 01:59.21 | menlo | I owned a TI 99 |
| 01:59.37 | dvs | !pity menlo |
| 01:59.37 | dpkg | I pity da fool menlo! |
| 02:00.20 | gnarface | iateadonut: you might need to manually upgrade mysql. i did |
| 02:00.39 | menlo | I was offered either a TI 99 or an Atari 800.. I requested the Atari, received the TI |
| 02:00.47 | gnarface | tragic |
| 02:00.48 | menlo | so upset |
| 02:01.06 | dvs | that's awful! |
| 02:02.17 | menlo | I didn't realize the advantage of 16bit proc's back then. I was only 12 |
| 02:02.36 | menlo | 3MHz |
| 02:02.44 | iateadonut | what do you mean manually upgrade? |
| 02:03.06 | gnarface | iateadonut: something on the order of: apt-get update && apt-get install mysql-server-5.1 |
| 02:03.40 | gnarface | iateadonut: you did a full backup first right? |
| 02:04.52 | iateadonut | yeah. |
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| 02:10.28 | iateadonut | gnarface... thanks. you saved me a lot of time. |
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| 02:11.49 | kfogel | 'aptitude dist-upgrade' wants to remove like a gazillion packages; no dependency resolution option seems good. Anyone know how I can fix this this? See http://pastebin.ca/index.php . (I tried 'aptitude safe-upgrade', but after running for 24 hours straight it still hadn't done anything beyond trying to resolve dependencies!) |
| 02:12.16 | abrotman | paste is blank |
| 02:12.28 | kfogel | abrotman: sorry, wrong url, one sec |
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| 02:12.43 | kfogel | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/2074399 |
| 02:12.53 | kfogel | abrotman: (hmmm, I recall you helped me with something like 4 years ago. thanks!) |
| 02:12.53 | Corey | kfogel: Did you press enter after "aptitude safe-upgrade'? :-) |
| 02:13.02 | kfogel | Corey: heh. Yes :-). |
| 02:13.14 | abrotman | kfogel: did you try a full-upgrade after you did an aptitude updat e? |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | kfogel: i remember your nick as well |
| 02:13.25 | kfogel | abrotman: no. I'll try that now? |
| 02:14.06 | kfogel | abrotman: full-upgrade gets similar results to the paste |
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| 02:14.46 | abrotman | did you aptitude update first ? |
| 02:14.59 | kfogel | abrotman: yes. well, I did it twice within the last ten minutes or so. |
| 02:15.05 | kfogel | abrotman: the second time there were no new updates |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | kfogel: you are probably caught in a transition .. |
| 02:17.21 | stew | kfogel: are you trying to move from stable to testing? |
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| 02:18.46 | t3a | Hey, on the command xrandr --output DFP4 --left-of DFP3 |
| 02:18.46 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.47 | t3a | Here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/URqRfPEV |
| 02:19.02 | Crypticfortune | Anybody have experience getting ATI's OpenCL drivers working? it's a terrible proprietary mess, I know, but I'm stuck. their OpenCL clinfo only shows my CPU (not the GPU)... =/ |
| 02:19.41 | coolguy9 | hi, I'm using debian squeeze. A couple of days ago, I stopped being able to connect to sites (web/ftp anything). I can still ping and traceroute. I have done sudo iptables -F and the problem persists. Any connection seems to time out. I've used various browsers and wget -S .... not sure what to do now. |
| 02:19.43 | stew | t3a: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why your Virtual directive is being overridden |
| 02:20.41 | menlo | @Coolguy9 what happens when you try to go to the IP address instead of the sites? |
| 02:21.07 | t3a | stew http://pastebin.com/7yq81d9L |
| 02:21.31 | menlo | @coolguy9 also what is your DNS / your router's DNS? |
| 02:21.34 | coolguy9 | menlo:same thing |
| 02:22.27 | coolguy9 | in my resolv.conf I have changed it to google's dns servers, 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 . Both of which I can ping. |
| 02:22.42 | kfogel | abrotman, stew: yes, this is the first dist-upgrade since I installed Debian amd64 on the box, and that was a squeeze netinst. |
| 02:23.11 | stew | t3a: oh, you have depth 32 instead of depth 24 in xorg.conf |
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| 02:24.09 | stew | kfogel: you really should be doing a safe-upgrade before you try to do a full-upgrade (aka dist-upgrade) |
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| 02:24.29 | Crypticfortune | coolguy9: sounds like you need to figure out where your packets are disapearing...can you check the upstream router(s)? like telnet somewhere upstream and see at what point your packets stop flowing? |
| 02:24.36 | menlo | @coolguy9 is there anything more to the situation - like you added some kind of package or upgraded and this started to happen? |
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| 02:24.58 | stew | kfogel: the safe-upgrade will get the easy ones out of the way first, then aptitude will have less to think about when trying to figure out the full-upgrade |
| 02:25.08 | kfogel | abrotman, stew: what makes it more painful is that I probably brought this on myself by first doing 'aptitude install subversion'. Before that command, a dry run of a dist-upgrade showed me a perfectly normal set of incoming changes, without all the scary removals of things like gnome, etc. After that command (http://pastebin.ca/2074405), the dist-upgrade is now exploded. |
| 02:25.16 | kfogel | stew: so I've been trying safe-upgrade... |
| 02:25.21 | coolguy9 | menlo: I don't think there is, it seemed to happen spontaneously. I think the last thing I installed was sendmail |
| 02:25.33 | kfogel | stew: but it never finishes. It ran for 24 hours straight last time, and never got past the initial "resolving dependencies" stage. |
| 02:25.34 | coolguy9 | Crypticfortune, that sounds like a good idea, how do I do that? :) |
| 02:25.45 | t3a | stew, I have depth at 24. I'll try setting it to 32 |
| 02:25.51 | menlo | @coolguy9 which was around the same time or long befor ethe issue started? |
| 02:26.19 | coolguy9 | menlo: it was not long before, but I don't recall the problem starting immediately afterwards |
| 02:26.26 | stew | t3a: no, in SubSection "Display", you have "Depth 32", which is where you define the virtual size. but since you are running at 24, this is ignored |
| 02:26.31 | stew | t3a: so switch that 32 to 24 |
| 02:26.32 | t3a | Oh, I was looking at defaultdepth |
| 02:26.42 | t3a | yes, I switched that and still got the same error |
| 02:26.46 | stew | kfogel: then you might try "apt-get upgrade" first, which isn't smart enough to think that hard about it |
| 02:26.47 | t3a | both are 24 now |
| 02:26.49 | coolguy9 | maybe I will uninstall sendmail and see what happens |
| 02:27.00 | stew | t3a: check the Xorg.0.log now |
| 02:27.10 | kfogel | stew: oh, never thought of that -- ok, will try. |
| 02:27.21 | t3a | stew, http://pastebin.com/pXL6ukrH |
| 02:27.28 | menlo | coolguy9 so when you recently installed sendmail, did you alter the .cf file? |
| 02:27.38 | stew | kfogel: for upgrades from lenny to squeeze, this is what the release notes recommended, becuase of the problem you are having now (the previous few releases, aptitude was recommended) |
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| 02:27.57 | coolguy9 | menlo: no |
| 02:27.59 | Crypticfortune | coolguy9: need to have packet sniffing access to the upstream routers, so it might be complicated...what is upstream? is this like a box connected directly to like home DSL? or a home wireless router? or some more beefy router? |
| 02:28.24 | kfogel | stew: seems to be working so far, thx. Feels nostalgiac, using 'apt-get' again :-). |
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| 02:28.44 | kfogel | abrotman: just FYI, see stew's advice above, which (so far) seems to be solving the problem we were talking about. |
| 02:28.55 | coolguy9 | Crypticfortune, I'm at home. I'm have ethernet to a DSL modem/ router . |
| 02:29.06 | boudiccas | is there any alternative to vlc, apart from dragonplayer and the other default one, which is not so resource hungry please? i've tried vlc and it maxed out my memory and my ram too, so i'm looking for some other program to watch my films with |
| 02:29.16 | Crypticfortune | menlo: sendmail can break wget? I knew sendmail was evil, but, not *that* evil =/ |
| 02:29.22 | Crypticfortune | boudiccas: mplayer ^^ |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | kfogel: i didn't realize you hadn't updated in so long .. |
| 02:30.28 | kfogel | abrotman: well, it's just that this is a fresh install of squeeze, and since I normally run testing, I am upgrading it. Probably should have said that up front. |
| 02:30.41 | boudiccas | Crypticfortune; i think mplayer is the one that i couldnt remember, and its already installed so i've tried that |
| 02:30.49 | boudiccas | but thanks anyway |
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| 02:31.20 | Crypticfortune | coolguy9: and I guess you're talking on IRC from some other box through the same router then? hmm, then maybe we can rule out the router... |
| 02:31.32 | coolguy9 | Crypticfortune, that's right |
| 02:31.52 | Crypticfortune | coolguy9: check ifconfig for any reported dropped packets/errors? |
| 02:32.20 | coolguy9 | it |
| 02:32.29 | coolguy9 | it's not showing any dropped or errors |
| 02:33.42 | menlo | coolguy9 what are the avg times on the pings? Normal? |
| 02:33.52 | abrotman | kfogel: trucking along now? |
| 02:34.33 | kfogel | abrotman: trucking along; reading the amd64 eglibc warning now, trying to figure out if I need to do anything special. |
| 02:34.37 | coolguy9 | menlo: they are normal.Though perhaps there is a delay when it's resolving the dns. |
| 02:36.06 | coolguy9 | hmmm but I am getting packet loss on the pings of around 25% to 40% |
| 02:36.33 | menlo | what are you pinging in relation to your location? |
| 02:36.46 | coolguy9 | I pinged www.google.clm and www.debian.org |
| 02:36.50 | coolguy9 | google.com |
| 02:37.07 | Crypticfortune | coolguy9: but no errors or dropped packets? then it sounds like something upstream is definitely dropping your packets... |
| 02:37.19 | Crypticfortune | coolguy9: (on ifconfig i mean) |
| 02:37.58 | Crypticfortune | coolguy9: for sanity's sake, try curl http://131.113.63.2 |
| 02:38.10 | coolguy9 | hmmm I actually got 20% packet loss pinging the router |
| 02:38.16 | Crypticfortune | oh. |
| 02:38.20 | boudiccas | how can i mount my external usb h/d at boot please? |
| 02:38.34 | coolguy9 | duh I guess I should have looked at that earlier :) |
| 02:38.36 | menlo | coolguy9 there is your clue |
| 02:38.50 | Crypticfortune | any other switches/hubs between you and the router? |
| 02:38.54 | coolguy9 | no |
| 02:39.09 | Crypticfortune | then grab ye a new ethernet cable =P |
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| 02:39.30 | ZitZ | boudiccas: you can put it in your fstab |
| 02:39.41 | menlo | I know the problem - that cable has had its life limit of packets run through it... |
| 02:40.34 | menlo | cleared the room again with my dry humor |
| 02:40.40 | Crypticfortune | or a cat chewed it too much... usually that results in visible errors, but... |
| 02:40.48 | boudiccas | ZitZ; what would the line look like then please? i cant envisage it |
| 02:40.50 | menlo | coolguy9 could have a dying port on his network |
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| 02:41.43 | coolguy9 | ok, I unplugged the cable and plugged it into a different port on the router and now it works. lol *facepalm*. I should remember to always look at the packed loss on pings now :) |
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| 02:42.32 | menlo | Crypticfortune just heard that some ISP was putting capsum on the cable insulation to stop squirrels from eating the lines outside. But the squirrels actually liked the spice and ate the lines at a faster rate. |
| 02:42.45 | ZitZ | boudiccas: there are many examples of this, you can google it, here is one from a quick search, /dev/sda5 /media/usb2 ext3 relatime 0 0 |
| 02:43.06 | t3a | Hey, on the command xrandr --output DFP4 --left-of DFP3 |
| 02:43.10 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:43.14 | t3a | Here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/URqRfPEV |
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| 02:43.38 | Crypticfortune | menlo: heheh, we tried the same thing when we had a rabbit chewing on our power cords. same effect (found it tastier =P |
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| 02:45.10 | hydromet | hello all, I have a curiosity. When I used dpkg -i to install a Debian binary package ( .deb file ), onto an Ubuntu machine, in one case the output ends with "Processing triggers for sreadahead ..." but on a different machine it just ends with "Processing triggers for man-db ..." In both cases the installation is successful but what does this mean => "Processing triggers for sreadahead ..."? |
| 02:46.25 | Crypticfortune | !ubuntu |
| 02:46.25 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 02:53.11 | nvz | hw can 5 t4rn n40b36c2 6ff 6n 0y netb662 the b4tt6n see0s t6 be br62en. heh |
| 02:54.15 | mooglenorph | Hi. I have this weird problem on a laptop I just bought: the lcd has temporary burn-in. |
| 02:54.55 | nvz | yeah we33 05ne the n40b36c2 5s st4c2 6n.. |
| 02:54.55 | boudiccas | is there any alternative to vlc, apart from dragonplayer and mplayer, which is not so resource hungry please? i've tried vlc and it maxed out my memory and my ram too, so i'm looking for some other program to watch my films with. This is on debian 6 and kde |
| 02:55.02 | mooglenorph | Ie, I switch from a screen with some bright UI elements that haven't moved for 10-15 minutes to a black background (terminals side-byside) and I can see faint outlines of the UI. |
| 02:55.20 | mooglenorph | Is there anything in Xorg or something that I could change to possibly fix this? |
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| 02:56.29 | menlo | ok, I am rusty on modern irc conventions. I have a touch screen that is supposed to have drivered integrated into the recent kernels - so how can I invoke it? The touchscreen is USB IdealTEK URTC1000 device http://is.gd/r59wqB |
| 02:56.31 | nvz | i guess i can use my cell for now |
| 02:57.09 | nvz | but apparently the keyboard on my netbook is scredwed up and i cant turn the numlock off.. |
| 02:57.35 | menlo | nvz sometimes that is an option in the BIOS setup |
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| 02:58.32 | nvz | na the keyboard is goin bad or something the ctrl key by the fn key is intermittat as well and has been for a long time. |
| 02:59.36 | nvz | im just not thinking of an alternate way through software to turn numlock off in x |
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| 03:04.56 | Gump_ | #debian, I am getting audio from my browser, and certain games like minecraft, but not from movie player or vlc. i am using ossv4. what can i try? |
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| 03:08.03 | t3a | Hey, on the command xrandr --output DFP4 --left-of DFP3 I get the error: xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1440x1440 (desired size 2880x900) |
| 03:08.07 | t3a | Here is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/URqRfPEV and here is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/pX6uKrH |
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| 03:09.57 | nvz | Gump_: i wasnt aware ossv4 was even in debian/. but chances are you need to check the sound output driver for the app and possibly check stdout/ystderr or strace if that dont work |
| 03:10.17 | Crypticfortune | Incidentally, Debian ATI/OpenCL problem solved!! Needed to be running X and have ATIAPPSDKROOT set.... *sigh* ATI... |
| 03:10.20 | Gump_ | alright, thanks |
| 03:10.30 | DammitJim | man, is slim really that old? |
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| 03:13.09 | nvz | damn it.. capslock is only on in x and persistently |
| 03:13.31 | nvz | even restarting gdm doesnt solve it |
| 03:13.42 | nvz | erm.. numlock |
| 03:14.08 | nvz | i cant even login when it does that |
| 03:14.55 | nvz | using another keyboard is annoying |
| 03:15.08 | menlo | http://www.inc.com/ss/how-clean-your-keyboard#1 |
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| 03:16.26 | menlo | isopropyl alcohol should be 91% !! |
| 03:16.32 | nvz | cleaning it isnt the issue |
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| 03:16.51 | nvz | its an old netbook thats been hammered on |
| 03:17.23 | menlo | msi ? assus? |
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| 03:18.08 | nvz | i need to figure out a simple way to turn the numlock off in x like id do with the on screen keyboard on windows |
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| 03:19.02 | menlo | what about xmodmap -e 'keycode <value>=<action>' |
| 03:19.28 | menlo | keycode 77 = Num_Lock |
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| 03:22.16 | nvz | i may have to remap it but id rather have a way to just turn it off |
| 03:22.29 | nvz | so i can automate it |
| 03:22.42 | menlo | I believe that was a UK keyboar mapping. doulble check for the US keycode |
| 03:22.56 | nvz | i will never use numlock on a netbook |
| 03:23.15 | menlo | fix someone's wireless in windoze and use that money to replace the netbook :-) |
| 03:24.37 | nvz | na.. i guess ill just figure out how to do it eventually. in the mean time this machine is useless locally |
| 03:25.07 | nvz | which sucks cause its the only one of four i have that works |
| 03:25.39 | menlo | all the others are having hardware issues? |
| 03:26.24 | nvz | na one is a desktop i just have no room to setup perminantly the other two need an os |
| 03:26.49 | nvz | been just using the netbook as a server for awhile |
| 03:27.12 | nvz | but i formatted the laptop to try put an xp dualboot on it.. |
| 03:27.26 | menlo | what happened there? |
| 03:27.44 | nvz | turns out the xp installer makes it burn up and shut off |
| 03:27.47 | nvz | heh |
| 03:28.02 | kfogel | http://pastebin.ca/2074426 <-- uncertainty as to where to install GRUB to; any pointers from GRUB-knowledgeable people appreciated |
| 03:28.09 | nvz | even though the fan runs.. yet debian installs and runs |
| 03:28.37 | nvz | somehow overheats during formatting the hdd in windows |
| 03:28.39 | menlo | it runs cool with debian? |
| 03:29.04 | nvz | yeah i can usually keep it between 65 and 85 |
| 03:29.15 | nvz | it shuts off at 120 |
| 03:29.19 | menlo | it's to Gods telling you to stay away from M$ |
| 03:29.36 | menlo | :-P |
| 03:30.03 | menlo | to=The |
| 03:30.03 | nvz | yeah well crossover games wouldnt run gta sa on it but i figured windows would and i wanted to play it at the time |
| 03:30.21 | kfogel | nvz: what kind of machine is this? |
| 03:30.23 | Wyzard | kfogel: Typically GRUB is installed to a disk's MBR, e.g. /dev/sda in your example |
| 03:30.35 | nvz | it works on crossover games on better hardware |
| 03:30.40 | kfogel | Wyzard: thank you. That's what I thought, but wasn't positive. |
| 03:30.49 | Wyzard | kfogel: Some people have a different bootloader in the MBR and want to use that to load GRUB, so they put GRUB in a partition instead |
| 03:30.49 | menlo | nvz who makes the netbook?> |
| 03:31.14 | kfogel | Wyzard: this machine is all Debian (I actually am replacing Ubuntu). |
| 03:31.34 | nvz | menlo: acer spire one.. old one |
| 03:31.36 | menlo | kfogel why the switch? |
| 03:33.17 | kfogel | menlo: a few different reasons. I used to work for Canonical, so it's certainly not anti-Ubuntu prejudice :-). But all my other machines run Debian and have for many years, and it was silly having an outlier. Also, I find that by running Debian 'testing' dist I can stay very up-to-date by updating regularly; with Ubuntu, the granularity |
| 03:33.23 | kfogel | is larger. |
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| 03:35.29 | jpinx-gone | gnarface: got to the point of the installer wanting to configure the network connection and failed there ;) |
| 03:36.54 | jpinx-gone | gnarface: coz XP has been using nokia PCSuite to my phone |
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| 03:44.17 | DarkEyes | im having one heck of a time getting gcc installed.. im using apt-get install build-essential but getting Some packages could not be installed |
| 03:44.42 | DarkEyes | also tryed aptitude |
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| 03:49.40 | ZitZ | DarkEyes: what's wrong with apt-get install gcc |
| 03:50.15 | wols_ | !tell DarkEyes about bat |
| 03:51.27 | wols_ | jpinx-gone: you do not need any internet connection to install debian, not with netinst or CD1 |
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| 03:52.28 | jpinx | wols_: will it do an install without a connection? |
| 03:52.35 | wols_ | yes |
| 03:52.40 | DarkEyes | http://paste.debian.net/118810/ |
| 03:52.47 | wols_ | it will try to connect sure, but it will install without just fine |
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| 03:53.18 | jpinx | wols_: ok trying that now ;) |
| 03:54.15 | wols_ | DarkEyes: and the other paste(s)? |
| 03:54.56 | DarkEyes | http://paste.debian.net/118811/ |
| 03:55.13 | stew | DarkEyes: wrong channel, you want #ubuntu |
| 03:55.16 | wols_ | DarkEyes: #ubuntu |
| 03:55.50 | jpinx | gets to network config again |
| 03:55.59 | DarkEyes | hrm yes i see that now... but this also isnt right... sorry and thanks |
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| 03:56.29 | wols_ | jpinx: however to get on the internet via cellphone, I strongly suggest to use CD1 and even that might not be enough. you need things like pppd and such |
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| 03:57.30 | jpinx | wols_: this eeepc has no CD reader |
| 03:58.12 | wols_ | so? you can put all of CD1 on a usb stick |
| 03:59.22 | menlo | wols_ yes unetbootin utility will do this with an ISO file |
| 04:00.11 | stew | there should be no need for unetbootin, the "cp" utility should work :) |
| 04:00.12 | jpinx | wols_: how to read the CD to put it on a usb stick? |
| 04:00.28 | stew | jpinx: cp foo.iso /dev/whatever |
| 04:00.30 | wols_ | since he currently runs windows, he might prefer to use yumi for that |
| 04:00.43 | stew | oh, i have no idea on windows |
| 04:00.52 | menlo | unetbootin |
| 04:00.52 | jpinx | wols_: fwiw the installer will not install without a connection |
| 04:01.15 | stew | jpinx: which installer won't? |
| 04:01.28 | wols_ | jpinx: have you ever tried to download a real CD? hard to get the polycarbonate through the cables... |
| 04:01.34 | jpinx | it doesn't evenmget to partitioningj |
| 04:01.48 | wols_ | jpinx: which installer are you trying to use? |
| 04:01.55 | stew | must be businesscard? |
| 04:02.21 | jpinx | www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 04:02.21 | wols_ | you need to download ~150MB of debian at least to install it. if the installer is smaller you chose the wrong one |
| 04:02.53 | stew | tiptoes away from that one |
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| 04:03.09 | wols_ | jpinx: do you have an USB stick? |
| 04:03.18 | jpinx | yes |
| 04:03.33 | wols_ | then use it |
| 04:03.53 | jpinx | ? |
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| 04:04.20 | wols_ | don't use goodbye-microsoft since it obviously uses a businesscard installer which as you noticed, doesn't work |
| 04:04.36 | wols_ | so instead get a netinst or cd1 iso and put that on the usb stick |
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| 04:05.30 | jpinx | will they connect through my mobile? |
| 04:05.50 | jpinx | netinst failed to connect |
| 04:05.55 | stew | they don't need to connect |
| 04:06.13 | jpinx | hence my huning other solutions |
| 04:07.06 | menlo | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/using-unetbootin-to-create-a-live-usb-linux/ |
| 04:07.19 | menlo | good night, all... |
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| 04:07.35 | jpinx | ok - so I have to download cd1 and how do I get that to boot from a usb stick? |
| 04:07.47 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:09.00 | wols_ | you use yumi or unetbootin to write it to the usb stick (contents of usb stick will be gone. backup!). then boot from usb |
| 04:09.42 | ZykoticK9 | wols_, isn't cd1 a hybrid cd/usb? can't you simply cat it onto the root of a usb device? |
| 04:10.23 | wols_ | ZykoticK9: have you ever tried to run cat on windows? or seen a "usb device" there? |
| 04:10.41 | jpinx | Hmm that creates a live system on a usb, not a native install |
| 04:10.51 | ZykoticK9 | wols_, "on windows" so sorry. I shouldn't jump into a converstion. my bad. |
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| 04:12.14 | stew | i've run cat on windows! |
| 04:12.33 | grondilu | How can I find out which paquet a file belongs to ? |
| 04:12.43 | stew | grondilu: dpkg -S filename |
| 04:13.23 | grondilu | stew: thks! |
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| 04:14.28 | stew | yrwlm |
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| 04:15.21 | jpinx | how to get the CD1 onto a USBstick and make it install? |
| 04:16.51 | jpinx | using XPhome ;) |
| 04:17.43 | Rusty1 | there is a unetbootin windows version |
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| 04:41.49 | jon8 | hey guys, how can i setup /etc/motd to use bash scripting? |
| 04:42.09 | kbar | do you mean create a motd using a bash script? |
| 04:43.48 | jon8 | I guess i'm not sure.. i want to be able to use bash scripting code to display stuff when i login.. |
| 04:43.52 | jon8 | so I guess ?? :) |
| 04:44.17 | jon8 | i just put a bunch of little bash commands, to fetch things like up time, date, time, etc.. and stuffed it into /etc/motd and it just echod as plaintext ;) |
| 04:44.32 | jon8 | ive never been bothered to change it in the past, but i'm bored now hah |
| 04:44.36 | yebyen | ;;gpg eregister yebyen 6E2B908AC662933F |
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| 04:44.58 | yebyen | oh shit |
| 04:45.02 | kbar | hmmmm |
| 04:45.05 | jon8 | nice yebyen ;o |
| 04:45.06 | kbar | let me just take that |
| 04:45.11 | kbar | public/private |
| 04:45.14 | kbar | hopefully public lol |
| 04:45.49 | jon8 | kbar .. ? :) |
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| 04:46.00 | kbar | sorry jon8 i'm not that advance dlol |
| 04:46.08 | kbar | i just know how to make a static motd using a bash script |
| 04:46.57 | jon8 | ok.. |
| 04:47.09 | jon8 | i actually just found this, http://www.mewbies.com/how_to_customize_your_console_login_message_tutorial.htm |
| 04:47.13 | jon8 | i'll give that a good read |
| 04:47.15 | jon8 | thanks kbar :) |
| 04:47.22 | killown | there is some way to put something like that in /etc/network/interfaces gateway 192.168.1.1 metric 0? |
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| 04:48.34 | killown | I want to put the follow in interfaces file: route add default gw 192.168.1.1 metric 0 and route add default gw 192.168.1.2 metric 10 |
| 04:49.19 | scampbell | killown: man interfaces show the metric option, it just goes on a line by itself. |
| 04:50.31 | sailerboy | sup |
| 04:50.36 | sailerboy | i'm trying to install mysql |
| 04:50.46 | sailerboy | but every time i run apt-get install mysql-server |
| 04:50.53 | sailerboy | mysql uses up all the memory and can't finish configuring |
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| 04:51.14 | wols_ | killown: use a post-up script. interfaces is not a script file so you can't put commands there directly |
| 04:51.29 | sailerboy | mysql uses up all the memory and can't finish configuring |
| 04:51.31 | sailerboy | erm |
| 04:51.32 | sailerboy | sorry |
| 04:51.34 | sailerboy | thought that was the terminal |
| 04:51.39 | wols_ | sailerboy: add more swapspace and don't misuse your enter key please |
| 04:51.54 | sailerboy | wols_, i did up/enter, in effort to run the last command |
| 04:51.57 | sailerboy | unfortunly, irc had focus |
| 04:52.05 | sailerboy | and wols_ it's on a vps, openvz |
| 04:52.07 | sailerboy | so that's not an option |
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| 04:52.27 | wols_ | you pressed enter >10 times now when you could have used 3 lines tops so far |
| 04:52.27 | wols_ | !enter |
| 04:52.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 04:52.27 | killown | wols_, scampbell ok |
| 04:52.41 | wols_ | !bat |
| 04:52.41 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 04:52.52 | wols_ | sailerboy: follow this factoid |
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| 05:20.56 | chrissbx | Has anyone here ever dealt with a ZIF ATA connector (those of pre-SATA 1.8'' drives)? |
| 05:21.38 | chrissbx | I removed the ribbon cable from the cable header on the drive, and can't seem to push it back in. |
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| 05:33.38 | chrissbx | Hm, it would just go in ~1mm and with no resistance, and would come right out again, so I've put a piece of adhesive tape on it to hold it in place, and amazingly I can access the disk. |
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| 05:45.47 | intx | is the best application to use for finding a fast mirror netselect-apt? |
| 05:45.51 | intx | it's pretty dated |
| 05:47.00 | jmarsden | chrissbx: You should perhaps ask in ##hardware, but I *think* there are small clips on the connector you remove to unlock the part of the connector that is on top of the flat cable, *then* you remove it etc, and then you put the clips back into their locked position?? |
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| 05:48.46 | chrissbx | jmarsden: thanks, I'll check there (and I didn't see anything) |
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| 05:52.11 | cheako | intx: Even the p2p apt tools are dated, I'm running apt-p2p faithfully. |
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| 05:57.02 | wols_ | geo sources.list |
| 05:57.06 | wols_ | !geo sources.list |
| 05:57.06 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar. |
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| 06:04.46 | intx | it didn't work very well |
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| 06:05.04 | intx | of course my ISP has funny routing |
| 06:05.29 | intx | but still the best option of all the ISPs I have :P |
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| 06:08.51 | cheako | It has more to do with your nameservers address/location then it does with the host/server's location by the look of it. |
| 06:09.13 | cheako | This CDN checks your hosts DNS query to retrieve your national location. |
| 06:09.53 | cheako | So if you use a DNS server in Belgium then this service will return a Belgium mirror, regardless of your actual location. |
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| 06:11.54 | cheako | It would seam simpler to use the location/country mirrors already available. http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 06:13.04 | cheako | Since the information returned by using geolocation on a IP address will be just as accurate. Where as tool like apt-spy were created to test each server and choose the most responsive from a given location. |
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| 06:15.39 | cheako | You could use a site like this http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation to dynamically configure the correct Debian worldwide mirror site. |
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| 06:29.50 | Angstrom_ | Is it possible to get rid of "Unable to find a volume for file extraction. Please verify that you have proper permissions." in wine? |
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| 06:32.06 | cheako | Wine has a vary flexible, if undocumented, notification system for messages. I set this environment variable when I run my DVD converting application: WINEDEBUG=-all,+cdrom,+mountmgr |
| 06:33.11 | cheako | I'd start with -volume, -extraction, or -extract |
| 06:33.45 | cheako | You basically have to guess at the channel names. |
| 06:33.50 | cutout | hi, after upgrading from lenny to squeeze my network config seems not to work as expected. even though my config has a static IP but some times it accoures a DHCP if I restart networking it gets back the static IP. |
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| 06:33.55 | cahoot | fixing the perms isn't of interest? |
| 06:34.35 | cheako | cahoot: wine is too much like windows to be treated like unix. |
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| 06:35.02 | cahoot | oh I see |
| 06:35.09 | cheako | When it pops up with a strange error, you just bury your head and hope your application still runs. |
| 06:35.25 | streuner_ | Gump_: http://www.opensound.com/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Applications_for_OSSv4#vlc |
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| 06:42.19 | cheako | wow, oss still alive and well I see. To bad they are having to fight with a competing API. |
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| 06:43.34 | streuner_ | hm, runs like a charm here with a .38 kernel actually |
| 06:45.47 | cheako | Is there a better name/alias for interfaces that's shorter then /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 06:46.03 | cheako | ...like eni? |
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| 06:47.23 | cheako | etcnetinters |
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| 06:48.05 | ectospasm | I've tried the stock kernel in both squeeze and wheezy, but my bluetooth mouse won't pair. I can see it, but the pairing just times out. Any ideas of what I can do? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=63892&p=374338 |
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| 06:49.11 | cheako | ectospasm: I had a similar problem(paring worked), for me it turned out that the module for my mouse was not compiled. |
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| 06:50.14 | ectospasm | cheako: hmmm... what mouse do you have? |
| 06:50.30 | cheako | It was an apple multi-touch. |
| 06:50.42 | ectospasm | ...or, how would I go about searching for the correct mouse module? |
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| 06:50.59 | ectospasm | ...I didn't do that for Ubuntu, but it probably included the module by default |
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| 06:51.06 | cheako | aka as magicmouse |
| 06:51.12 | ectospasm | ...which is why I never thought about it. |
| 06:51.30 | cheako | omg, redundant as. |
| 06:51.58 | cheako | http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/ |
| 06:51.59 | ectospasm | that parses correctly, not incorrect |
| 06:54.04 | cheako | I'm thinking the mouse needs to be whipped... The physical address of the device you are paring with has not changed, but the software has been reconfigured and lost it's key for the paring. |
| 06:54.33 | ectospasm | well, putting the mouse into pairing mode should correct that |
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| 06:55.06 | cheako | The mouse might have flash that would survive a power-loss. |
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| 06:59.53 | cheako | When adding your device, press and hold the pairing button located in the bottom of your mouse for a few seconds until the battery light next to the wheel starts to blink (you have two buttons: power and pairing). Only then you can proceed with the pairing in Win7. |
| 06:59.58 | cheako | http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itprohardware/thread/7d77d07b-0af0-4aca-aba8-2a0d5429fe3a |
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| 07:00.48 | cheako | I'm sure you knew to press that, but this says to hold it waiting for the lght to blink. |
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| 07:06.06 | kevin__ | I need to upload a sql database of 300MB, however, ISPconfig (mysql) says I am limited to 2,048Kbyte I think I tweaked every php.ini. Where do I lift that limitation? |
| 07:07.08 | cheako | kevin__: No shell access? Can you backhack a shell using netcat? |
| 07:07.10 | stew | kevin__: why not just use scp and mysql from the command line? |
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| 07:08.12 | cheako | You could also upload the file as a webpage and then us a small php/ect script to run the mysql command. |
| 07:08.44 | kevin__ | Never done that before |
| 07:09.04 | cheako | <filename mysql -u -p |
| 07:09.05 | kevin__ | is there a decent googlemethrough? |
| 07:09.12 | kevin__ | okay |
| 07:09.35 | cheako | you'll need to know what -u and -p do. |
| 07:10.19 | cheako | you'll just need to get mysql connected to the database you want. |
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| 07:10.36 | kevin__ | How do I connect with a specific username to mysql? |
| 07:10.48 | cheako | man mysql; |
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| 07:11.15 | stew | kevin__: myaql -u username ... |
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| 07:11.43 | cheako | http://support.modwest.com/content/6/242/en/how-do-i-create-a-mycnf-mysql-preference-file.html |
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| 07:12.00 | cheako | That's a good secure way to get the password to mysql. |
| 07:13.21 | cheako | chmod 600 ~/.my.cnf |
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| 07:22.33 | Angstrom_ | When I run winetricks dotnet30, it gives me a strange error: "Unable to find a volume for file extraction. Please verify that you have proper permissions." |
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| 07:23.10 | Angstrom_ | My permissions are correct... but I know .wine is set to my username, I ls -alRed it to make sure |
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| 07:26.49 | Angstrom_ | also I'm trying to install cinelerra, is there a guide hot to do it in Debian with Debian-multimedia? |
| 07:27.06 | Angstrom_ | It keeps asking for liblame0 when I already have libmp3lame0 installed |
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| 07:33.30 | Andorin | Just installed Debian Squeeze 64-bit on my desktop, and now it's reporting no (wired) network connection despite that I'm on IRC right now, and can browse web pages... |
| 07:34.15 | Bushmills | apt-cache depends libmp3lame0 -> Conflicts: <liblame0> |
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| 07:34.21 | Andorin | Here is my ifconfig http://pastebin.com/P4gmEAmr |
| 07:34.51 | aminpy | how to stop ldap in debian? |
| 07:34.54 | Bushmills | "it" reports? |
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| 07:36.12 | Andorin | Everything works fine so far (IRC, web browsing, apt) except for Pidgin, which hangs at "waiting for network connection" |
| 07:37.06 | sary | M:-) |
| 07:37.27 | Bushmills | Andorin: seems that's not an issue with your network interfaces, but with one of the pidgin accounts it's trying to connect with |
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| 07:37.59 | Andorin | Bushmills: Yet my network manager applet is also reporting no network connection, so it's not just Pidgin |
| 07:38.29 | Bushmills | Andorin: route and ifconfig should show you which interfaces are up and used |
| 07:38.52 | Andorin | Bushmills: I linked a pastebin of my ifconfig a few minutes ago |
| 07:39.21 | Bushmills | you're surely able to draw your own conclusions from looking at the output |
| 07:39.42 | Andorin | I don't claim any hardcore Debian experience, so ifconfig looks fine to me =/ |
| 07:39.51 | Angstrom_ | thanks |
| 07:39.52 | sary | I've just insalled debian , rebooted .. but i can only perform to install packages from CD-ROM , probably cuase i didn't select a mirror during the installation steps. |
| 07:39.58 | Angstrom_ | Yeah, I don't know why it's doing that with liblame0 |
| 07:40.00 | Bushmills | seems that's not an issue with your network interfaces, but with one of the pidgin accounts it's trying to connect with |
| 07:40.16 | Andorin | sary: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list to use Debian's repositories instead of your CD |
| 07:40.51 | sary | Andorin: Okay. |
| 07:41.29 | Andorin | (I had the same problem when I installed Debian tonight) |
| 07:41.45 | Andorin | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free <-- That's what I replaced sources.list with |
| 07:41.59 | Bushmills | Andorin: try to turn off proxy in pidgin's account setting of the failing account |
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| 07:43.16 | Angstrom_ | I tried typing apt-get update and it couldn't retrieve W: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/Release |
| 07:43.27 | Angstrom_ | yet I can manually download it by FTP |
| 07:43.41 | Andorin | Bushmills: No proxies are configured, and none of the several accounts I have in Pidgin will connect |
| 07:44.23 | kingsley | If /etc/network/interfaces defines a bridge with "bridge_ports eth0", should "eth0" also be defined in the file? |
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| 07:45.11 | Andorin | Also, when I click the network manager applet it says "Wired network / device not managed" |
| 07:45.27 | Andorin | I've never had that issue with a wired eth0 connection o_0 Wireless I could understand |
| 07:45.38 | yagoo | !networkmanager |
| 07:45.38 | dpkg | NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <wireless connection managers>. |
| 07:46.05 | Bushmills | Andorin: is that sid? |
| 07:46.14 | Andorin | Nope, it's a stable installation |
| 07:46.34 | yagoo | Andorin, ^ (what dpkg bot said) |
| 07:46.39 | Bushmills | pidgin is known to function allright in stable. |
| 07:47.03 | Bushmills | i'd not focus too much on pidgin alone |
| 07:47.59 | Bushmills | check for example host name resolving of the account servers, and firewall |
| 07:48.02 | yagoo | Bushmills, maybe protocols for a network need to be updated |
| 07:48.38 | Angstrom_ | how do I fix broken dependencies from outside debian.org of sources.list |
| 07:48.53 | Bushmills | oh, right. possible. i was simply assuming using documented protocols, like irc, xmpp and such :) |
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| 07:52.17 | john_rambo | Hi, the update-notifier wont start >>> http://is.gd/oo4u91 |
| 07:52.18 | sary | Alright , i have 3 sources in sources.list .. i've # deb cdrom: .. sill can not perform an installation. |
| 07:52.31 | Andorin | apt-get update? |
| 07:53.26 | sary | apt-get update went fine wih a blank line. |
| 07:53.50 | Andorin | Now try to install something again |
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| 07:56.21 | sary | Ahh , am able to install now ... |
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| 07:57.17 | sary | But it looks like the desktop is missing bunch of tools. |
| 07:57.26 | Andorin | Okay, so according to /usr/share/doc/network-manager-README.Debian, "Devices listed in /etc/network/interfaces _will_ be managed by NetworkManager unless the ifupdown system-config-setting is enabled and is setup to run in "Unmanaged mode"." |
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| 07:57.58 | Bushmills | sary: nnign |
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| 07:59.37 | Andorin | "The config to select unmanaged/managed mode is in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf" Mine has [ifupdown] set to false |
| 08:00.01 | Bushmills | do you really need network manager? |
| 08:00.10 | Andorin | Why not? |
| 08:00.50 | sary | what's weird though , when i ran gedit it Failed to connect to the session manager. |
| 08:00.52 | Bushmills | most people can do fine with setting up their interfaces, without additional mismanagement |
| 08:02.02 | Bushmills | there surely are situations where something like network manager can be useful, but in many cases, it is simply superfluous |
| 08:02.12 | Andorin | In the past, I haven't had to. But if this bug is affecting Pidgin, I don't know what else it could affect. |
| 08:02.18 | Angstrom_ | How do I install cinelerra from debian-multimedia for squeeze? |
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| 08:02.36 | Bushmills | Angstrom_: aptitude install cinelerra ? |
| 08:02.39 | Angstrom_ | I keep having liblame0 conflicts... I have libmp3lame0 which replaces it... apt-get -f install doesn't work either |
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| 08:03.12 | Bushmills | aptitude might be able to resolve the conflict. possibly by offering to replace libmp3lame0 against liblame0 |
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| 08:03.46 | Angstrom_ | yeah, it shows a message saying that when I try to type apt-get install liblame0 |
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| 08:04.03 | Bushmills | but - not sure why cinelerra wants liblame0 at all - there doesn't seem to exist a dependency on liblame0 |
| 08:04.10 | kwk | Hi! I'm running Debian Squeeze 64 Bit and was wondering why "dpkg -p fglrx-driver" says that the architecture is "i386". Is the ATI driver only provided for 32 Bit? |
| 08:04.57 | ectospasm | is there a way to determine what kernel module serves a particular USB device? I'm looking for the lsusb equivalent to lspci -k |
| 08:05.23 | ectospasm | lsusb -v doesn't seem to contain it |
| 08:05.32 | Angstrom_ | Look at my http://pastebin.com/XqfskHqW |
| 08:05.40 | Angstrom_ | I included my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:05.50 | Angstrom_ | yeah, I know, right |
| 08:05.59 | Angstrom_ | I searched the web and many others had the same problem in lenny also |
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| 08:06.08 | Angstrom_ | but they never got a working answer |
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| 08:06.22 | Bushmills | can you paste the output of apt-cache depends cinelerra? |
| 08:06.31 | aypea[0] | anyone have issues using inet6 v4tunnel where it does not automatically set the local ipv6 addr? |
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| 08:09.37 | aypea[0] | p3rror: hey. is that a he ipv6 tunnel you're using? |
| 08:10.13 | Angstrom_ | Sure, it's at http://pastebin.com/EVzpVSGB |
| 08:10.14 | p3rror | aypea[0], it's a Native LABS tunnel http://www.nativelabs.org |
| 08:10.22 | Bushmills | anyway, here's the dependency tree of cinelerra: http://deps.scarydevilmonastery.net/cinelerra.svg - that should be of stable. no liblame in there |
| 08:10.25 | Angstrom_ | apt-cache depends cinelerra -> http://pastebin.com/EVzpVSGB |
| 08:10.38 | Angstrom_ | how do I then use that dependency tree? |
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| 08:11.08 | aypea[0] | p3error: ah. the /32 is the same as my he addr and i'm having weirdness trying to get the tunnel up. :/ it's not automatically setting the local global address and I can't figure out why. |
| 08:11.09 | Bushmills | it is meant for visual scrutinizing, and to be used that way |
| 08:11.16 | Angstrom_ | okay |
| 08:11.41 | Angstrom_ | so lame is removed from it |
| 08:12.37 | Bushmills | testing cinelerra dependencies are http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1307175112872682233d.png - again, no liblame |
| 08:13.02 | aypea[0] | p3error: you couldn't toss me your settings could you? |
| 08:13.43 | Angstrom_ | is there a way I can manually edit the dependencies? |
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| 08:14.34 | Bushmills | what distribution is that what you're running? |
| 08:15.03 | Angstrom_ | squeeze |
| 08:15.12 | Angstrom_ | Debian 6.0 |
| 08:15.24 | p3rror | aypea[0], Ok |
| 08:15.32 | p3rror | aypea[0], it may refer to many issue |
| 08:15.33 | Bushmills | and your debian multimedia source is testing too? |
| 08:15.46 | Angstrom_ | it's not testing, it's squeeze |
| 08:15.47 | Andorin | Right... restarting the network, then the network-manager applet, did nothing... it still says that my wired network is not a managed device, despite that it is working for most services |
| 08:15.53 | Bushmills | ehm. stable, i mean |
| 08:15.55 | p3rror | aypea[0], i've Got a /48 block from HE and i do transit too |
| 08:15.59 | Andorin | I do not understand. |
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| 08:16.11 | Angstrom_ | They say to use squeeze or stable for deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 08:16.20 | Angstrom_ | either one works |
| 08:16.26 | aypea[0] | p3error: yeah. i know 8( and the config is simple so i can't see how i screwed that up. much bother. |
| 08:17.00 | p3rror | aypea[0], the setting is so clear in the HE website |
| 08:17.03 | Angstrom_ | I could switch it to stable and it will do the same thing |
| 08:17.19 | Angstrom_ | my question now is: How do I edit cinelerra's dependency file |
| 08:17.19 | p3rror | aypea[0], all you have to do is to set your public IPv4 address |
| 08:17.20 | Bushmills | Angstrom_: consider the possibility that the liblame0 dependency is caused by something else, not by cinelerra |
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| 08:17.31 | p3rror | aypea[0], and make it pingeable |
| 08:17.32 | Angstrom_ | Can I show a tree of dependencies in debian? |
| 08:18.00 | yagoo | Angstrom_, ? |
| 08:18.01 | Bushmills | Angstrom_: the graph i showed you was created using the debtree program from debtree package |
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| 08:18.27 | aypea[0] | p3error: yup. it should not be difficult. the settings in the interfaces file are not rocket science. and yet... |
| 08:18.30 | yagoo | Angstrom_, if you're trying to fix a package be sure to reportbug it |
| 08:19.03 | Angstrom_ | will it know that lame is already installed if I force install or change the deps |
| 08:19.15 | p3rror | aypea[0], as yo say |
| 08:19.31 | Bushmills | Angstrom_: you should be able to display any package from stable by replacing "package" in http://deps.scarydevilmonastery.net/package.svg against name of package |
| 08:20.02 | Bushmills | or pick from http://deps.scarydevilmonastery.net/ - long list, may take a moment |
| 08:20.04 | Angstrom_ | aag |
| 08:20.09 | Angstrom_ | it's say ing "libmp3lame0" -> "liblame0" [color=red]; |
| 08:20.22 | Angstrom_ | then "liblame0" [style=filled,fillcolor=oldlace]; before that |
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| 08:20.47 | Angstrom_ | I'm new to this, sorry |
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| 08:21.16 | Bushmills | red is "conflict" |
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| 08:21.23 | Bushmills | mutually exclusive packages |
| 08:22.04 | Angstrom_ | there is my debtree cinelerra --> http://pastebin.com/62WzYg2T |
| 08:23.23 | Angstrom_ | would installing ALL of debian-multimedia work |
| 08:23.44 | Andorin | My fix: Commenting out the eth0 section of /etc/network/interfaces and restarting the network manager |
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| 08:25.57 | Bushmills | Angstrom_: no. the conflict will remain, no matter how much you install |
| 08:26.11 | Angstrom_ | where can I find the cinelerra package/svg and delete it |
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| 08:27.37 | Angstrom_ | how do I fix the conflict, or more importantly, how do I edit the SVG file like you did? |
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| 08:28.48 | kwk | Hi guys! |
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| 08:29.05 | Bushmills | use aptitude. when conflict are reported, when trying to install, press E and run through the alternatives with . and , |
| 08:29.25 | Bushmills | pick one you like |
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| 08:30.00 | kwk | I was asking myself why my Debian Squeeze DVD installation which is a i386 installation uses an amd64 kernel |
| 08:31.16 | Angstrom_ | how do I find cinelerra among all of the listings in aptitude |
| 08:31.57 | rizzeh | Angstrom_: apt-cache search cinelerra |
| 08:32.25 | boltzer | I have a strange question to ask about swamp .. Let's say you have over 4 gigs of ram should you still create swamp or you don't need it? |
| 08:32.41 | aypea[0] | grumbles. wtf is wrong here. :/ |
| 08:32.42 | Angstrom_ | alright |
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| 08:33.26 | Angstrom_ | I'm there, I have liblame0 highlighted |
| 08:33.31 | Angstrom_ | how do I remove it |
| 08:33.41 | Angstrom_ | D for delete? The Delete Key? Both of them don't work |
| 08:34.08 | rizzeh | Angstrom_: are you using aptitute front end? |
| 08:34.19 | Angstrom_ | yes, like yous aid |
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| 08:36.10 | rizzeh | Angstrom_: http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 08:37.13 | kwk | Now that's stupid: Why did the Debian installer install an amd64 kernel but "dpkg --print-architecture" is still "i386" ? |
| 08:37.19 | aypea[0] | well now that that's sorted i'm going to get drunk. |
| 08:37.58 | boltzer | ok well i gues you all don't know the answer to the question i will just ask in other rooms where they are more knowledgable. later's ppls... |
| 08:38.02 | rizzeh | boltzer: swap is recommended |
| 08:38.08 | Angstrom_ | yep |
| 08:38.40 | boltzer | rizzeh thanks I wasn't sure if anyone knew the answer... i wasn't sure myself i thought the ram would take care of the swamp |
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| 08:38.50 | Angstrom_ | What do I do to remove the packages fro cinelerra's list |
| 08:39.00 | Angstrom_ | or what do I do to remove all traces of cinelerra in aptitude |
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| 08:39.27 | kwk | boltzer: If you don't want to create a separate partition for your SWAP data, you can also create a ramdisk. |
| 08:39.49 | rizzeh | Angstrom_: apt-get --purge remove <package> |
| 08:40.29 | Angstrom_ | Package cinelerra is not installed, so not removed |
| 08:40.41 | Angstrom_ | Virtual packages like 'liblame0' can't be removed |
| 08:41.20 | rizzeh | Angstrom_: other packages might depend liblame0 |
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| 08:41.41 | rizzeh | on* |
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| 08:42.03 | Angstrom_ | "libquicktime1" -> "libavcodec52" Does that mean libquicktime1 depends on libavcodec52? |
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| 08:43.18 | dutchfish | Angstrom_, yes, see: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libquicktime1 |
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| 08:43.57 | rizzeh | Angstrom_: # apt-cache depends mysql-server |
| 08:44.07 | Angstrom_ | "cinelerra" -> "libquicktimehv", "libquicktimehv" -> "liba52-0.7.4", etc |
| 08:44.24 | rizzeh | Angstrom_: # apt-cache depends package - to find dependancies |
| 08:44.35 | Angstrom_ | should I install all of those packages? |
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| 08:45.18 | rizzeh | Angstrom_: you need to install all dependancies for package to work |
| 08:46.05 | Angstrom_ | the ones that are not in <>s are installed, right? |
| 08:47.24 | Angstrom_ | liblame0 has no pointer to libmp3lame0 |
| 08:47.45 | Angstrom_ | instead it's "libmp3lame0" -> "liblame0" how do I change it |
| 08:47.50 | Angstrom_ | it's broken |
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| 08:49.23 | Angstrom_ | nevermind |
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| 08:49.38 | aypea[0] | p3rror: figured it out. thanks for taking the time to let me yak :) |
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| 08:51.37 | Angstrom_ | I'll just wait until more people are on to ask |
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| 09:09.50 | thewanderer1 | hi, I've got a problem I can't understand with Sun Java JRE 6.0 (installed from the Squeeze non-free repo): it downloads some applet to the cache, then tries to start it and fails with "failed to map segment from shared object: operation not permitted" |
| 09:12.25 | thewanderer1 | oh wait. so Java downloads *executable* pieces of *code* from the network and places them on my *secured, hardened* noexec home filesystem? great! :P |
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| 09:12.37 | thewanderer1 | now that's what I call a good design ;P |
| 09:12.59 | dutchfish | thewanderer1, see #455504 |
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| 09:13.58 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but is it a bug technically? |
| 09:14.29 | dutchfish | thewanderer1, don't know, because also http://justlinux.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-150376.html |
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| 09:15.25 | osmosis | ahhh...yes, finally. DUmeter 3, running through wine. perfect. exactly what I wanted. |
| 09:15.37 | dutchfish | thewanderer1, but i least i have doubts about good design too it, too. |
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| 09:19.24 | thewanderer1 | ok, now I've remounted my home as exec and it's still throwing the error... maybe I have to relogin or sth |
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| 09:22.14 | dym | thewanderer1: at least you have a winning nick! (: |
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| 09:22.49 | thewanderer1 | ok, it works now after relogging in |
| 09:23.03 | thewanderer1 | dym: not really, someone took thewanderer before me ;P |
| 09:23.14 | dym | ohnoes! |
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| 09:24.09 | thewanderer1 | also, I wonder how long will this KVM-IPMI unit work... there were strange reports of people where with ipmitool it would stop responding on the LAN after a few hours, and I've been observing a similar behaviour since yesterday :P |
| 09:26.45 | Woet | thewanderer1: that usually happens when it gets a lot of broadcast traffic |
| 09:26.48 | Woet | or when you enter the wrong password |
| 09:28.09 | thewanderer1 | no broadcast besides ARP here, and the password is fine more often than not :P |
| 09:28.25 | thewanderer1 | anyway, I'll setup screen with a ping loop and see when it breaks |
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| 09:59.28 | randommm | guys I have some problems with the grub. After an update it shows me grub rescue> at boot. I have a dual boot with win7. booting from ubuntu livecd chroot does not work... any idea? |
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| 10:02.56 | ansgar | randommm: Ask in #ubuntu? |
| 10:03.04 | randommm | I'm on debian 64bit |
| 10:03.28 | randommm | ansgar, ok I should ask better: how to recover my grub? |
| 10:04.04 | babilen | !fixmbr |
| 10:04.05 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 10:04.47 | babilen | randommm: Plase also make sure that you have os-prover installed. The output of that grub-update run would certainly be interested as well. You upgraded from what to what and which Debian version are you running? |
| 10:04.58 | ansgar | Well, if there is a prompt, the MBR should be alright. |
| 10:05.18 | randommm | babilen, what if I boot from an ubuntu livecd? |
| 10:05.30 | babilen | randommm: Works the same way |
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| 10:05.47 | randommm | ok then I have a chroot: cannot run command /bin/bash:exec format error |
| 10:05.49 | babilen | ansgar: yeah, but the grub configuration might not be |
| 10:06.15 | ansgar | randommm: Then take a Debian 64bit install cd. |
| 10:06.18 | babilen | randommm: What are the architectures of your live cd and of the installation? |
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| 10:06.51 | randommm | I will download a 64bit deb. I must use a live one right? |
| 10:07.10 | babilen | no, but it is an option |
| 10:07.18 | babilen | you can chroot from the installer as well |
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| 10:15.12 | thewanderer1 | can I check somehow if removing a non-free firmware package (firmware-linux-nonfree) will break my system before removing it? |
| 10:16.34 | thewanderer1 | dmesg | grep firmware # returns nothing |
| 10:16.36 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: depending on what hardware you have that depends on nonfree firmware, it doesn't sound like a good idea |
| 10:16.49 | randommm | babilen, I have a squeeze 64bit. Is it grub legacy or grub2? I suppose grub2 right? |
| 10:16.53 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: I'd be surprised if the module had firmware in the name |
| 10:17.09 | thewanderer1 | I installed it on an old server, this has since been migrated to a new, Intel server |
| 10:17.21 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: try grepping for fw |
| 10:17.30 | thewanderer1 | ectospasm: no results |
| 10:17.39 | thewanderer1 | same for bin |
| 10:17.58 | thewanderer1 | (ok, there *is* some TCP stuff, but nothing remotely related to firmware) |
| 10:18.21 | thewanderer1 | let's see... |
| 10:18.55 | thewanderer1 | "No non-free or contrib packages installed on sun! rms would be proud." hooray |
| 10:19.14 | ectospasm | have you rebooted? |
| 10:19.18 | thewanderer1 | no :D |
| 10:19.34 | thewanderer1 | still need to fix GRUB before I can do that - it has stale entries |
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| 10:19.52 | ectospasm | what command did you use to get the RMS would be proud quote? |
| 10:19.59 | thewanderer1 | vrms |
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| 10:20.42 | ectospasm | hmm, must be in a specific package I don't have |
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| 10:20.49 | thewanderer1 | yeah, vrms ;P |
| 10:20.51 | ectospasm | Oh, well. I'm not a DFSG nazi. |
| 10:21.15 | ectospasm | not all software needs to open source and free |
| 10:21.25 | nkuttler | considering that quite some GNU stuff is in non-free i doubt he would care |
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| 10:26.33 | randommm | how do I understand if I have grub or grub2 installed? |
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| 10:29.56 | randommm | the entries of grub.cfg seems good... this is what I don't understand |
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| 10:32.21 | thewanderer1 | yeah! reboot worked without any non-free software :) |
| 10:32.40 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: what's the deal with no non-free? Why does it matter to you? |
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| 10:35.30 | thewanderer1 | ectospasm: having confidence in the systems I run and that they do exactly what they should, having undergone peer review |
| 10:35.55 | thewanderer1 | randommm: having grub.cfg usually means GRUB2 - GRUB Legacy uses menu.lst |
| 10:36.05 | randommm | ok thx |
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| 10:36.51 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: what do you do when a required functionality is only provided by proprietary software? Remove the requirement? |
| 10:37.00 | ectospasm | ...implement it yourself? |
| 10:37.15 | thewanderer1 | ectospasm: haven't found a case for it so far ;P |
| 10:37.30 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: but you admit you have not done an exhaustive search? |
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| 10:38.50 | thewanderer1 | I admit that I don't try to run into problems during normal usage, yes... also, on desktop systems, I do have to agree for some trade-offs, but try to avoid it when it is possible - when there is no need to use proprietary NVIDIA drivers for example (no games), I don't |
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| 10:39.52 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: yes, but some applications require proprietary drivers. At least, I had to install the proprietary, non-free NVIDIA drivers for bitcoin mining to work, to cite an example. |
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| 10:40.37 | ectospasm | the fact that bitcoin mining is ridiculous on NVIDIA notwithstanding |
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| 10:41.32 | ansgar | s/on NVIDIA // even. |
| 10:42.09 | ectospasm | ansgar: at least for a while it could have been profitable |
| 10:42.17 | ectospasm | but the difficulty is gonna go waaay up |
| 10:42.37 | ansgar | It's always a waste of energy. |
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| 10:43.44 | ectospasm | ansgar: yeah, but at least what little bitcoins I have can be traded for $17/btc at the moment |
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| 10:44.08 | thewanderer1 | um... do you at least solve a real-world computational challenge like protein folding, or is it just slacking? |
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| 10:45.17 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: it's a problem, not really useful other than to assign a value to the solution and increase the number of btc in circulation. |
| 10:45.27 | wols_ | thewanderer1: earning money by minting botcoins is a real world computational problem. not necessarily profitable but still |
| 10:45.41 | ectospasm | It's contrived, but an interesting idea. I'm not a proponent of it, just a disinterested observer |
| 10:46.13 | wols_ | ectospasm: do what all the successful businessmen do: externalize your costs (in this case electricity) and it is profitable |
| 10:46.14 | boudiccas | is there any alternative to vlc, apart from dragonplayer and mplayer, which is not so resource hungry please? i've tried vlc and it maxed out my memory and my ram too, so i'm looking for some other program to watch my films with. This is on debian 6 and kde. |
| 10:46.42 | wols_ | boudiccas: "max out my memory"? |
| 10:46.45 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: Totem? not really KDE, but works for me |
| 10:47.14 | wols_ | a videoplayer is a classic example of "can't have enough CPU, rest irrelevant" software |
| 10:47.16 | boudiccas | wols_; it used all my memory and swap too |
| 10:47.24 | babilen | boudiccas: mplayer is probably your best bet -- you might want to consider using a less resource hungry desktop environment such as LXDE or XFCE. A lightweight window manager such as fluxbox, awesomewm or dwm is probably also worth a look. |
| 10:47.27 | randommm | what does it mean that "Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary"? |
| 10:47.50 | ectospasm | boudiccas: don't use KDE |
| 10:47.56 | ectospasm | it's a memory hog |
| 10:48.02 | wols_ | babilen: not for his problem if he described it right |
| 10:48.03 | ectospasm | Use something more lightweight |
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| 10:48.33 | wols_ | cause if vlc uses that much memory there is a bug, and that one would eat all memory no matter where you save it in other places |
| 10:48.47 | babilen | indeed |
| 10:48.50 | wols_ | ectospasm: and mplayer had the same problem? |
| 10:49.00 | boudiccas | wols_; who is 'he' please? |
| 10:49.16 | ectospasm | wols_: well, if the only commonality to both is KDE, then sure. |
| 10:49.29 | wols_ | boudiccas: are you a dog or are you a 50 year old fbi agent with a beer belly? your choice |
| 10:49.31 | ectospasm | ...or maybe it's a bad codec library |
| 10:49.38 | babilen | boudiccas: Does this happen with specific movies or formats or with everyhting you throw at VLC? |
| 10:49.38 | boudiccas | wols_; i'm female |
| 10:49.48 | wols_ | boudiccas: that's a myth |
| 10:50.01 | ectospasm | boudiccas: what does free report? |
| 10:50.02 | randommm | babilen, I downloaded the iso for amd64. Now, once booted from cd, can I alt-f2 and work directly from there in a shell? |
| 10:50.04 | babilen | wols_: I doubt it. |
| 10:50.11 | babilen | randommm: yes |
| 10:50.13 | wols_ | babilen: woof! |
| 10:50.15 | ectospasm | boudiccas: do you kill Romans? |
| 10:50.29 | boudiccas | babilen; so far only one movie, but as it completely froze my machine up i'm wary of trying it with any other thing |
| 10:50.34 | wols_ | randommm: you can but you won't work a whole lot since there isn't much installed |
| 10:50.45 | boudiccas | ectospasm; given half the chance yes :) |
| 10:50.50 | wols_ | boudiccas: what codec/resolution was it? |
| 10:50.50 | ectospasm | boudiccas: that could be all kinds of things. It needs to be repeatable |
| 10:51.11 | ectospasm | boudiccas: I had a bad memory controller on an old machine I had. Never crashed in the same place |
| 10:51.22 | randommm | wols_, I have to fix my grub. I have a debian64 installed in dual boot but since I have a grub rescue> at the start I must try to fix it |
| 10:51.24 | wols_ | boudiccas: if a movie eats your ram in both vlc and mplayer, it's most likely the codec aka ffmpeg which means pretty ALL videoplayers under linux are affected. they all use ffmpeg usually |
| 10:51.34 | babilen | boudiccas: With mplayer as well? It would be interesting to see if you can reproduce the error and to figure out if it is rather due to specific codecs or a general problem with VLC. |
| 10:51.43 | boudiccas | wols_; avi, if thats the answer to your question |
| 10:51.56 | ectospasm | boudiccas: or just a problem with memory/hardware in general. |
| 10:52.01 | wols_ | randommm: no problem /msg dpkg rescue. or chroot to your harddisk manually. those things you can do with a install cd just fine |
| 10:52.06 | ectospasm | boudiccas: how much memory does "free" report? |
| 10:52.14 | wols_ | boudiccas: avi is no codec and no res. just a container format |
| 10:52.31 | randommm | wols_, great, this is what I'm going to do in a while hoping that it works fine... |
| 10:52.48 | boudiccas | ectospasm; i wasnt able to get to the desktop where tops was running, the machine just froze! |
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| 10:53.18 | randommm | wols_, is there a way to fix win mbr in case it's broken without win dvd? |
| 10:53.23 | wols_ | boudiccas: doesn't sound like eating RAM. more like cpu hogging or such. how much RAM do you have |
| 10:53.33 | boudiccas | wols_; 512mb |
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| 10:53.50 | babilen | boudiccas: Due to excessive RAM consumption or did it just freeze when you start the movie or fullscreen it? |
| 10:53.54 | ectospasm | boudiccas: yeah, there is too little information. Reboot, try it again. If it happens at the same point again, blame software. If not, blame hardware. |
| 10:53.58 | wols_ | randommm: yes, within reason. "mbr" package can do it. if the actual bootloader has a problem, then no |
| 10:54.07 | splitbrain | hi, can someone help me to set up static ipv6 with a gateway in a different subnet? |
| 10:54.21 | ectospasm | !tell splitbrain about ask |
| 10:54.31 | boudiccas | babilen; it just froze partway through the movie |
| 10:54.58 | thewanderer1 | splitbrain: you need some gateway in the current subnet anyway |
| 10:55.01 | wols_ | boudiccas: since you use 512MB, it looks like an older PC? what CPU? could the CPU have overheated? |
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| 10:55.11 | boudiccas | and i didnt have it full screen, just in its little window |
| 10:55.14 | ectospasm | boudiccas: without more info, that could mean anything. the codec, bad RAM/hardware, etc. Is it repeatable? |
| 10:55.58 | babilen | boudiccas: Well, I am with the others. Try to reproduce it and try different movies (preferably in different codecs) and players with the same set. It might also be a more general hardware problem -- Are you sure that it was due to excessive RAM usage or is that just conjecture? |
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| 10:56.04 | boudiccas | wols_; doubtful that the CPU would overheat, there is one side panel missing of the computer so theres good airflow :) |
| 10:56.12 | splitbrain | here's my etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/mVcWcykz - for some reason the up rules of the ipv6 part aren't executed and ipv6 networking doesn't work, as soon as I run the two lines manually everything works |
| 10:56.29 | ectospasm | boudiccas: missing sidepanels != good airflow |
| 10:56.29 | splitbrain | can anyone spot the problem? |
| 10:56.34 | vikramverma | What's the purpose of the Nginx package's separate 'sites-enabled' and 'sites-available' packages? |
| 10:56.47 | vikramverma | directories, rather. |
| 10:57.29 | boudiccas | babilen; ok, i'll try it again and see if it freezes at the same point, but it worked okay with watching tv programmes, so i'm at a loss with it |
| 10:57.33 | babilen | vikramverma: You can configure sites but don't necesserily enable them. Enabling works by setting appropriate symlinks, which would (for apache) be done with "a2ensite" but I am not sure what to use with nginx |
| 10:58.01 | vikramverma | babilen: Perfect sense. I like this channel. |
| 10:58.02 | babilen | boudiccas: Yeah, I completely understand but it is hard to track down the *real* problem without some experiments. |
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| 10:58.06 | thewanderer1 | splitbrain: something is strange here, "2a01:4f8:140:5480::1/59 dev eth0" would mean that 2a01:4f8:140:5480::1/59 is directly connected on eth0? |
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| 10:59.02 | splitbrain | thewanderer1, yes. I got these values from my provider. and they work when manually run... |
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| 10:59.22 | babilen | vikramverma: I would recommend to read the README.Debian of nginx which will (hopefully) explain the Debian specific parts of its configuration and usage. "/msg dpkg readme.debian" |
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| 11:00.05 | thewanderer1 | splitbrain: describe how exactly you manually run them (paste commands?) - the order matters |
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| 11:06.21 | randommm | guys I booted the deb 64bit installer cd. How do I switch the console? |
| 11:06.26 | randommm | alt-f2 does not work |
| 11:06.35 | yagoo | randommm, ctl-alt-f2? |
| 11:06.43 | thewanderer1 | splitbrain: btw. the gateway is in the subnet pointed to by the direct connection... which would mean that eth0 is really in 2a01:4f8:140:5480::1/59 |
| 11:06.56 | randommm | yagoo, not working |
| 11:06.59 | yagoo | randommm, um.. u said installer?.. choose the rescue shell option |
| 11:07.16 | randommm | ah got it thx |
| 11:08.11 | splitbrain | thewanderer1, yeah. but they are giving out /64 to their customers - probably a /59 for the whole network center with a single gateway and /64 for each customer... |
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| 11:08.51 | thewanderer1 | yeah but there is *no* gateway to 2a01:4f8:140:5480::1/59 or it is hidden somehow... |
| 11:09.10 | splitbrain | thewanderer1, but I guess I could just configure a /59 and make sure to use *my* ip range only... |
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| 11:09.33 | thewanderer1 | or you could resign from "gateway" and add the route manually |
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| 11:09.47 | thewanderer1 | btw. time to switch to iproute2 - "route" command is long obsolete |
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| 11:10.29 | splitbrain | thewanderer1, well I had "ip route" first but tried route to see if that might be the cause for my problem |
| 11:10.50 | randommm | wols_, I'm in the shell (ash) of the cd, but if I try to mount /dev/sda3 into mnt it doesn't work |
| 11:10.55 | splitbrain | never used iproute2 though.. |
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| 11:11.58 | randommm | wols_, it says "no such device" |
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| 11:12.39 | thewanderer1 | splitbrain: iproute2 == 'ip' command |
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| 11:13.33 | randommm | yagoo, can I mount into /mnt my /dev/sda3? |
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| 11:14.19 | wols_ | randommm: fdisk -l |
| 11:14.30 | randommm | not found |
| 11:14.34 | splitbrain | thewanderer1, yeah it worked. I just configured a /59 address and remove the route settings ^^ |
| 11:14.40 | wols_ | randommm: any specialties like LVM, RAID, encryption? |
| 11:14.48 | splitbrain | thewanderer1, thanks for the nudge in the right direction |
| 11:15.01 | thewanderer1 | splitbrain: whoever ISP that is, they are doing network black magic |
| 11:15.04 | randommm | wols_, no, normal partition. Debian is on /dev/sda3 |
| 11:15.14 | wols_ | randommm: rescue boot or normal install cd boot? |
| 11:15.16 | randommm | and fdisk is "not found" on this shell |
| 11:16.09 | randommm | wols_, I don't get it. I booted via cd and I selected ctrl -alt -f2. I'm trying now the "rescue mode" to see if a better shell appears |
| 11:16.21 | skamikaze | are you on windows "command line"? :p |
| 11:16.32 | Reith | hi. dpkg --force-not-root --root=dir does not create files automatically. it terminates with error: error setting ownership of `./usr/share/doc/ruby': Operation not permitted |
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| 11:16.33 | wols_ | skamikaze: huh? |
| 11:17.08 | skamikaze | wols => "and fdisk is "not found" on this shell" |
| 11:17.25 | wols_ | sends skamikaze some glasses. seems to need them badly |
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| 11:17.33 | wols_ | smica: and lay off the booze please |
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| 11:19.08 | randommm | wols_, can I select "reinstall boot loader grub" from the menu of the rescue mode or shall I do it manually? |
| 11:19.43 | babilen | randommm: Can't you chroot into your Debian installation? |
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| 11:20.12 | randommm | babilen, 1m I'm trying |
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| 11:20.41 | Reith | is ther anyway to install a package to my home directory in a shared host?! |
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| 11:20.44 | babilen | randommm: Ok, where is it failing? Have you mounted proc and dev into the chroot? Can you chroot or is that failing? |
| 11:21.07 | randommm | babilen, actually using the rescue mode I mounted /dev/sda3 as / |
| 11:21.13 | babilen | Reith: Install? Well, you can unpack it there. (e.g. with "dpkg -x the.deb /path/where/to/extract/to) |
| 11:21.30 | randommm | babilen, which is the partition where my deb installation is |
| 11:21.30 | Reith | babilen: yes. install to local directory |
| 11:21.54 | babilen | randommm: Huh? Mount it to, say, /mnt/target and follow the steps in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" |
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| 11:22.24 | babilen | Reith: You mean that the program is usable just as it would be, but all files reside somewhere else? |
| 11:22.45 | babilen | Reith: (jsut as it would be if installed normally) |
| 11:23.12 | Reith | yes. or even with changing PATH or something like that |
| 11:23.40 | Reith | babilen: yes. or even with changing PATH or something like that |
| 11:24.25 | babilen | Reith: As I said: You can unpack it somewhere else, and adjust your PATHs accordingly. What are you trying to achieve? Why don't you install it normally? |
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| 11:24.53 | wols_ | babilen: rescue mode boots directly into the installation to be rescued, it simply loads the kernel from cd and rest via the installation. muuch easier for fix grub too, nothing to mount or such, just to run the fixing commands |
| 11:25.42 | wols_ | Reith: dpkg wants some infrastructure like a package database and such, which you don't have in your ~. which would also be wasteful in there. why is unpacking the files not enough? |
| 11:25.50 | Reith | babilen: i have not root access. it's shared hosting. tried dpkg --root option but got strange error |
| 11:26.01 | randommm | wols_, ah, so I should only run the fixing commands from there? |
| 11:26.14 | wols_ | randommm: yes |
| 11:26.29 | babilen | randommm: it does not really matter, just different ways to get access to your system |
| 11:26.53 | randommm | so just update-grub && grub install /dev/sda3? |
| 11:26.56 | wols_ | Reith: what are you trying to run? |
| 11:26.56 | Reith | wols_: i copied them into my local dir. as doc says root must works, but i try unpacking. thanks |
| 11:27.03 | wols_ | randommm: other way around |
| 11:27.17 | Reith | wols_: what command? |
| 11:27.23 | babilen | Reith: No, "grub-install /dev/sda" not /dev/sda3 |
| 11:27.32 | wols_ | Reith: what software are you trying to run? |
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| 11:28.09 | Reith | wols_: i'm trying to INSTALL ruby |
| 11:28.14 | randommm | wols_, if I run update-grub it finds all the stuff and says done |
| 11:28.29 | randommm | wols_, if I run grub install it says "grub not found" |
| 11:28.39 | babilen | randommm: Show us please. I mentioned os-prober before, is it installed as well? |
| 11:29.42 | randommm | babilen, yes it is: sda1 win7:Windows:chain , sda2 Win recovery, sda4 win recovery |
| 11:30.04 | babilen | randommm: Show us your commands and their output please â http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:31.08 | randommm | babilen, I'm copying from another screen. update-grub works well and recognizes everything |
| 11:31.10 | babilen | randommm: Right, you probably have to browser working. You can pipe it into "pastebinit" like "your_command | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" |
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| 11:31.34 | babilen | randommm: but "grub-install /dev/sda" does not work? |
| 11:31.51 | wols_ | randommm: obviously. since it is "grub-install" notice that strange hyphen in there? |
| 11:32.22 | randommm | yep yep no errors reported... should I reboot? :) |
| 11:32.31 | babilen | yes, please |
| 11:32.59 | randommm | emm it works |
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| 11:33.08 | babilen | wonderful :) |
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| 11:33.55 | randommm | damn I love that rescue mode that it mounts my debian partition as / |
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| 11:34.33 | randommm | ok, saved the log, hopefully I won't bother you anymore with this guys. Thx!!! :) |
| 11:34.44 | babilen | randommm: Bother as much as you like :) |
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| 11:41.49 | MrMind | is it possible to boot debian with a usbkey without usb bios support on the computer |
| 11:41.50 | MrMind | ? |
| 11:44.03 | nevyn | MrMind: grub might be able to do it if it's installed. |
| 11:44.16 | ectospasm | MrMind: you could have a boot floppy that points to the USB |
| 11:44.22 | wols_ | MrMind: no. but you could for example load the kernel via some other way (floppy, cd, from harddisk) and try it that way. that is very custom tho |
| 11:44.53 | wols_ | MrMind: what OS is currently installed and how can you access the internet with this computer? |
| 11:44.59 | nevyn | MrMind: it's probably worth burning a netinst cd. |
| 11:45.18 | MrMind | okey, i find this http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 11:45.41 | MrMind | maybe it's work |
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| 11:48.53 | nevyn | hrm it's interesting. |
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| 11:48.58 | nevyn | sadly the licence is crazy |
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| 12:03.52 | archiater | Hey guys, is anyone here knows how to create deb-src package for repr. I've managed to create normal 'deb' package, but having some problems with creating same src package. Could anyone point me, where can i read about them? |
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| 12:09.15 | tobiasBora | I've a problem : I would like to have sound (for play .midi files with timidity) but my computer hasn't many disk storage. So I would like install only what I need. |
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| 12:09.27 | tobiasBora | What have I to install ? |
| 12:09.37 | wols_ | tobiasBora: a kernel |
| 12:10.03 | goiboi | hi |
| 12:10.29 | goiboi | thanks hardnrgg |
| 12:10.35 | tobiasBora | wols_: A kernel ? But I've a kernel no ? If I've not I can't start debian no ? |
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| 12:10.49 | wols_ | you most probably already have a kernel, yes |
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| 12:11.19 | wols_ | tobiasBora: what do you think you're lacking to run timidity? |
| 12:12.11 | tobiasBora | wols_: I think I need a deamon for the sound |
| 12:12.38 | tobiasBora | Because when timidity is running, I've no error message, but I've no sound |
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| 12:13.07 | wols_ | I don't see any daemon requirement in the timidity dependencies |
| 12:13.24 | wols_ | !tell tobiasBora about alsa checklist |
| 12:14.08 | wols_ | correction: libesd0 |
| 12:15.28 | tobiasBora | Thanks, I'll try to follow instructions |
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| 12:18.18 | killtmp | hi there |
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| 12:18.41 | killtmp | my computer hangs when booting "Cleaning up /tmp" it hangs forever |
| 12:18.55 | killtmp | if I reset it then it may boot. |
| 12:19.11 | killtmp | but next time I would reboot, the same... |
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| 12:21.45 | pdelgallego | Hi, where is the iptable rules file in debian? |
| 12:22.15 | pdelgallego | I am looking for the equivalent of etc/sysconfig/iptables in RH |
| 12:25.56 | abrotman | pdelgallego: wherever you like ... |
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| 12:27.32 | pdelgallego | abrotman, so I need to create one. How do I tell iptables to load it after /etc/init.c/iptables restart |
| 12:28.09 | babilen | pdelgallego: You might want to take a look at iptables-persistent and http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 12:28.13 | wols_ | pdelgallego: iptables-save/iptables-restore? |
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| 12:28.31 | pdelgallego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:29.58 | Bushmills | pdelgallego: loading through an up script from an up action in your interfaces may be a good place |
| 12:30.19 | babilen | pdelgallego: That is explained on the wiki -- iptables-persistent is another way. |
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| 12:30.30 | abrotman | pdelgallego: generally, you use the pre-up on your interfaces |
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| 12:58.12 | thewanderer1 | if I want to connect 2 machines by PPP over a serial link, do I just call pppd on both ends with the same parameters? |
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| 13:01.50 | LoneTech | thewanderer1: pretty much. |
| 13:02.11 | thewanderer1 | ok... I thought it would be some client-server model with a daemon at first :P |
| 13:02.33 | LoneTech | ppp=peer to peer protocol |
| 13:02.40 | LoneTech | er, point, sorry |
| 13:02.53 | ajikeshi_ | xD |
| 13:03.14 | ajikeshi_ | but ya.. you need one side to listen.. and the other to "ring" it :D |
| 13:03.30 | LoneTech | not as far as pppd is concerned, actually |
| 13:03.37 | ajikeshi_ | oh? |
| 13:03.38 | ajikeshi_ | nice |
| 13:03.45 | LoneTech | you can tell it to be passive if you want |
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| 13:06.09 | thewanderer1 | but the "passive" mode still rings the other side, no? |
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| 13:09.59 | LoneTech | thewanderer1: pppd does not do that, but can call another program (f.e. wvdial or chat) to do it |
| 13:11.10 | thewanderer1 | do I need to dial to start the connection? |
| 13:11.48 | killtmp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.12 | LoneTech | thewanderer1: no, that's for modems and such. |
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| 13:12.37 | tokyo534 | http://sexier.com/services/directlinkhandler.ashx?WID=125269233270&LinkID=1080&promocode=BCODEL0000021_opera&cid=8 |
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| 13:14.17 | thewanderer1 | LoneTech: ok, I'll try with just pppd when I get a nullmodem cable... can't wait to run SSH on that :P |
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| 13:15.53 | ech0s7 | hi all |
| 13:16.00 | ech0s7 | how can i know what is the files installed from a package ? |
| 13:16.23 | stew | ech0s7: dpkg -L packagename |
| 13:16.44 | ech0s7 | thanks stew |
| 13:16.45 | ech0s7 | ! |
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| 13:30.33 | killtmp | computer hangs when booting "Cleaning up /tmp" it hangs forever |
| 13:30.37 | killtmp | how can I fix this? |
| 13:31.03 | pdelgallego | Once I do iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.test.rules. Is it necessary to restart any service to get the new rules working? |
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| 13:31.51 | babilen | pdelgallego: No, they'll be in place. I recommend to tie the restoration to the pre-up action of specific interfaces. |
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| 13:33.27 | killtmp | pdelgallego: yes, that's what I do actually |
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| 13:35.01 | wols_ | someone (another forum) has problems installing debian without internet connection. right now he was saying something strange "I could choose between squeeze, wheezy and sid but after that the same error came" |
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| 13:35.11 | wols_ | what installer allows you to choose your debian branch? |
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| 13:35.57 | pdelgallego | babilen, ok. thx |
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| 13:37.39 | babilen | wols_: You can do that in expert mode (recommended way is to install stable and upgrade though) |
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| 13:40.09 | pdelgallego | babilen, I have wriiten this rule, but I can't still connect to the mongo database that is listening in that port. Should this rule open the tcp traffic to that port ? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 27017 -j ACCEPT |
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| 13:41.47 | babilen | pdelgallego: Generally speaking yes, but hard to judge without the "iptables -L" output. Ask in #netfilter for iptables help. |
| 13:42.08 | pdelgallego | kk. thx |
| 13:42.43 | babilen | pdelgallego: It might also be that additional ports are needed (and why does mondodb listen on an unpriviliged port?) -- Could be that you need to allow related connections, ... |
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| 13:45.12 | pdelgallego | babilen, the port is the default one. I need to look into the docs to see if I need any additional port. |
| 13:45.42 | Orphis_ | Hi, I've installed and configured apache2-mpm-itk and I'd like to know how I can check it's working |
| 13:46.30 | Orphis_ | When I do a "ps aux" all the apache2 process are from root, and my configuration uses AssignUserId www-data www-data and some other acount, they don't show up |
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| 14:02.29 | shirleytoole | hello? |
| 14:03.34 | wols_ | shirleytoole: yes? |
| 14:04.27 | shirleytoole | i'm having an issue |
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| 14:05.15 | babilen | shirleytoole: Just ask and provide as much relevant information as possible. If needed you can paste configuration files or relevant output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:06.18 | shirleytoole | well i just compiled and installed a new kernel |
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| 14:06.32 | abrotman | why? |
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| 14:07.47 | shirleytoole | and when i run off of it it doesn't seem to detect the wlan interface |
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| 14:08.23 | c0nsense | Hello, i'm try to complite the T50 tool, http://t50.sourceforge.net/ but some erros happens: http://pastebin.com/dsUmbbEF any ideas? |
| 14:08.37 | babilen | shirleytoole: Why do you compile your own kernel? |
| 14:09.05 | shirleytoole | shits and giggles |
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| 14:10.42 | wols_ | shirleytoole: have you checked if the driver you need is compiled in? |
| 14:11.07 | babilen | shirleytoole: Or at least compiled as a module (which you should load) ? |
| 14:11.17 | shirleytoole | yeah |
| 14:11.32 | shirleytoole | at least the .config said so |
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| 14:11.56 | Kruptein | hey, I'm busy with packaging, and I only have one problem left how can I make the permissions after installing to be the permissions of the normal user? my app currently needs root permissions after installing which it obviously doesn't need |
| 14:12.10 | wols_ | shirleytoole: show us the .config line? check your dmesg output? |
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| 14:12.29 | shirleytoole | also i got the deb package with the firmware |
| 14:12.35 | wols_ | c0nsense: don't treat warnings as errors? |
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| 14:13.19 | Famic_ | hi |
| 14:13.19 | c0nsense | wols_: sorry! :S |
| 14:13.37 | crilly | http://pastebin.com/PYPy8vrV - Can anyone help me understand what is going on here? I have installed apache2 and mysql-server and they installed fine, but everytime I try to install something I get all of this now. |
| 14:13.54 | Famic_ | what causes facl to display ??????? instead of the rights when typing ls -al ? |
| 14:14.03 | crilly | I think it's effecting how Pure-FTPd-MySql is being installed now as the init script doesn't work. |
| 14:14.38 | wols_ | crilly: no. your (old) init scripts are borken and debconf gets unhappy |
| 14:14.51 | crilly | wols_: How do I resolve this? |
| 14:14.58 | wols_ | also it doesn't look like apache and such were installed correctly |
| 14:14.58 | jhutchins_lt | crilly: what release are you on? |
| 14:15.03 | crilly | jhutchins_lt: 6.0 |
| 14:15.16 | crilly | wols_: It's working. |
| 14:15.24 | wols_ | crilly: by fixing that vzquota thing which looks like something 3rd party from virtuozzo |
| 14:15.25 | crilly | But as you said, it looks as though they weren't instaled. |
| 14:15.41 | wols_ | !tell crilly about lsb tags |
| 14:15.59 | crilly | wols_: Indeed. It is a VPS. I think my supplier use Virtuozzo. |
| 14:16.34 | shirleytoole | there's a line after mentioning my wireless adapter saying "Not activating Mandatory Access Control now since /sbin/tomoyo-init doesn't exist." |
| 14:16.58 | wols_ | shirleytoole: which one is your wlan chip? |
| 14:19.18 | crilly | This is weird. /proc/version says "Linux version 2.6.18-238.5.1.el5.028stab088.1 (root@rhel5-build-x64) (gcc version 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-46)) #1 SMP Tue Mar 29 21:02:16 MSD 2011". That doesn't seem right to me. I changed the VM to use Debian and there is even /etc/debian_version. |
| 14:19.24 | crilly | (which reports 6.0). |
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| 14:19.52 | wols_ | crilly: that is not weird for a VPS. it's perfectly normal. you don't run a kernel in your debian |
| 14:20.05 | crilly | Oh I see. |
| 14:20.12 | crilly | Hmm. I'm still unsure how I resolve this matter. |
| 14:20.21 | wols_ | dpkg told you how. read it |
| 14:20.21 | dpkg | wols_: I give up, what is it? |
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| 14:23.49 | Rienzilla | ja nja ik was niet thuis en wilde dat op een gegeven moment wel zijn :) |
| 14:23.53 | shirleytoole | [ 4.596493] usb 1-3: Product: RNX-N150UBE [4.596496] usb 1-3: Manufacturer: Manufacturer Realtek [4.596500] usb 1-3: SerialNumber: 00e04c000001 |
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| 14:24.07 | Rienzilla | whops |
| 14:24.09 | c0nsense | wols_: do you know what i need do to the build work? |
| 14:24.23 | crilly | wols_: http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-594783-insserv-warning-script-06vzquota-missing-lsb-tags-overrides-help-200081331.html <- is that a diff file that guy has created? I understand now. Basically the vzquota isn't using LSB tags which Debian requires. |
| 14:24.32 | wols_ | c0nsense: answer the question |
| 14:24.50 | wols_ | crilly: have you read what dpkg messaged to you? |
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| 14:25.36 | c0nsense | wols_: question? |
| 14:25.37 | crilly | wols_: In the output I showed you? It tells me that it had trouble with lighttpd and that it returned error code status 1. |
| 14:25.59 | crilly | I need to do the timezone thing as well |
| 14:26.33 | wols_ | c0nsense: well you set a gcc option which treats warnings as errors. gcc encounters a warning and triggers an error |
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| 14:27.05 | wols_ | c0nsense: so don't treat warnings as errors unless you have really really great code to work with. which you obviously don't |
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| 14:32.36 | erix | Hello, I am trying to configure iptables. I would like to add some rules banning any ip address which attempts to login to my particular virtual host.(After 3 attempts, that ip will be blocked) How I can do that? Thanks in advance |
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| 14:32.54 | jordanm | erix: apt-get install fail2ban |
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| 14:34.01 | erix | yep |
| 14:34.05 | c0nsense | wols_: so, make -i? |
| 14:34.07 | erix | I installed it |
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| 14:34.35 | wols_ | c0nsense: huh? |
| 14:34.49 | erix | I used this command to add rule to iptables -> tables -I INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 600 --hitcount 7 --name DEFAULT --rsource -j DROP, Now I would like to add same rule to a particular virtual host |
| 14:34.59 | c0nsense | wols_: make -i to ignore errors.. |
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| 14:35.40 | wols_ | c0nsense: a) it's not make that throws the errors and you can't ignore errors. b) I don't think make -i does what you think it does, check its manpage |
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| 14:36.05 | oxi | hi |
| 14:36.07 | oxi | does anyone here have experience with SED/BDE/FDE drives? |
| 14:36.45 | wols_ | !tell oxi about anyone |
| 14:36.48 | c0nsense | wols_: i just want compile t50, why you don't give me the solution for the erros happened? |
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| 14:37.09 | c0nsense | wols_: I'm a C/C++ student, i don't a linux user |
| 14:37.24 | c0nsense | wols_: this code just run at linux systems |
| 14:37.26 | wols_ | c0nsense: as a C student you should learn how to use a compiler, no? |
| 14:37.32 | oxi | wols_: ok |
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| 14:37.39 | wols_ | and that's what you have: a compiler error |
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| 14:38.09 | c0nsense | wols_: lol. |
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| 14:38.19 | Shadur | I'm not sure who thought make -i was ever a good idea. |
| 14:38.39 | oxi | 1) is it possible to unlock a Seagate/Hitachi/Toshiba SED/BDE/FDE drive after boot (using hdparm?) ? |
| 14:38.52 | c0nsense | Shadur: see this: http://pastebin.com/dsUmbbEF |
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| 14:38.58 | c0nsense | Shadur: any ideas? |
| 14:39.13 | oxi | 2) will a SED/BDE/FDE drive remain unlocked during a warm reboot? |
| 14:39.16 | Shadur | config.c: In function 'config': |
| 14:39.17 | Shadur | config.c:723: error: 'IPPROTO_DCCP' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 14:39.17 | Shadur | config.c:723: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 14:39.33 | Shadur | That would seem to be your problem. Next question? |
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| 14:40.10 | oxi | 3) is it possible to create a linux pre-boot os to unlock a SED/BDE/FDE drive and boot the "real" os afterwards? |
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| 14:41.41 | Shadur | Now it's been literally years since I last did any C/C++ coding, but if I were to hazard a guess I'd say that at some point you forgot to include the header file that declares - among other things - the IPPROTO_DCCP value. Probably one of the IP stack includes. |
| 14:41.48 | Wyzard | c0nsense: Looks like IPPROTO_DCCP is defined in <netinet/in.h> |
| 14:42.09 | Wyzard | c0nsense: Like Shadur said, you probably just forgot to include a header |
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| 14:42.29 | wols_ | relaxes and gets the popcorn |
| 14:42.53 | babilen | c0nsense: What do you need t50 for? (Just curious) |
| 14:43.00 | Shadur | c0nsense: Out of curiosity, what is t50 anyway? |
| 14:43.36 | babilen | Shadur: "Multi-protocol packet injector tool for *nix systems, actually supporting 15 protocols." |
| 14:43.43 | Shadur | babilen: Interesting. |
| 14:44.02 | c0nsense | Shadur: T50 is a experimental packet injection, DDOS tool! some peoples are attacking my server, so i put some firewall rules there, i want test if the rules are working. |
| 14:44.10 | c0nsense | Shadur: using t50. |
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| 14:44.28 | babilen | c0nsense: Well, include the aforementioned header and try again. |
| 14:44.55 | wols_ | wonders how one does protect from a DDOS with a firewall rule.... |
| 14:44.56 | c0nsense | babilen: <netinet/in.h>? |
| 14:44.57 | Wyzard | c0nsense: If the DDoS is taking up all your bandwidth, putting firewall rules on the server won't help |
| 14:45.06 | Wyzard | c0nsense: You need to get the ISP to do the filtering |
| 14:45.28 | babilen | c0nsense: If the pipes are clogged, sealing the drain won't help |
| 14:45.58 | Shadur | c0nsense: And as an aside, please don't call yourself a C/C++ student until you don't need to spend nearly an hour whining on IRC because you can't interpret a very straightforward compiler error. |
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| 14:46.17 | Shadur | If nothing else, you're embarassing your professors. |
| 14:46.18 | jhutchins_lt | On the other hand, I've found that throttling ssh discourages bulk attacks from random addresses. |
| 14:46.25 | wernerdev | Hi there |
| 14:46.45 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: do people do DDOS at random now? |
| 14:46.54 | Wyzard | jhutchins_lt: Rather than throttling, take a look at denyhosts |
| 14:46.59 | wernerdev | Question about installing "recent versions" of software. |
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| 14:47.01 | Shadur | jhutchins_lt: fail2ban is pretty nice - and you only forget to set up an exception whitelist /once/. |
| 14:47.09 | babilen | wernerdev: sure, just ask |
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| 14:47.13 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Well, brute force/bulk attacks against public servers. |
| 14:47.37 | wernerdev | If I want to install "Banshee 2.x" for example. The only way to do so is to add the Unstable repository? |
| 14:47.57 | jhutchins_lt | I find that throttling works well. I know about denyhosts, and I've been doing this since before fail2ban was available. It's very simple and works very well. It does not require building a large table of denied hosts. |
| 14:48.09 | Shadur | wernerdev: ... Do /not/ "add the unstable repository" to a stable system. |
| 14:48.37 | babilen | wernerdev: No, you shouldn't do that. One way would be to backport it, but given that banshee depends on mono that will be almost futile. |
| 14:48.37 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: They seem to scan the net for anything that has an open ssh port. |
| 14:48.47 | wernerdev | That's what I was thinking. Because it also wants to update other core packages... |
| 14:49.12 | jhutchins_lt | Throttling seems to cause whatever controls the botnet to skip your address. |
| 14:49.20 | Shadur | wernerdev: Congratulations. You've messed up your system but good. |
| 14:49.22 | babilen | wernerdev: Which is exactly what you shouldn't do. |
| 14:49.32 | wernerdev | The sad thing is that the Banshee version in Stable is still at 1.6x. |
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| 14:49.45 | Shadur | ~tell wernerdev about backports |
| 14:50.16 | babilen | Shadur: banshee is not in backports and backporting it oneself is quite likely a lot of work |
| 14:50.21 | jhutchins_lt | wernerdev: You've got to get over your insecurity over small version numbers. It's not the size of the version number that matters, it's whether the blasted thing works. |
| 14:50.50 | wernerdev | Thanks for the Backports website. I'll look into that. |
| 14:51.39 | babilen | !tell wernerdev -about ssb |
| 14:51.57 | wernerdev | Well it's a desktop install, not a server. So I'd like to have most of my software to the latest stable version. |
| 14:52.02 | babilen | wernerdev: It is not available in backports and backporting it yourself is likely to be quite a lot of work. |
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| 14:52.42 | Shadur | wernerdev: Then you might want to look at testing rather than stable. Because 'stable' means 'stable enough for rock solid industrial-grade server work', rather than 'meh, good enough for desktops'. |
| 14:53.11 | wernerdev | I work with Ubuntu also which has Launchpad.net. Is it about the same as Backports? |
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| 14:53.17 | iluminator101 | how do i enable lynx as default browser in newsbeuter |
| 14:53.24 | wols_ | wernerdev: no |
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| 14:54.00 | Wyzard | Shadur: Remember that testing is the last to get security fixes, though |
| 14:54.43 | Shadur | I know, which is why I'm tracking unstable on my home system. But then again, I've been using Debian for more than a decade and I'm capable of coping if, say, an udev upgrade renders my system unbootable. |
| 14:55.06 | babilen | Shadur: That is actually not Debian's understanding of stable -- stable merely means "not changing" |
| 14:55.09 | dvs | heh |
| 14:55.19 | Shadur | (I'm adding that last bit because I don't want wernerdev to get the wrong idea and try tracking unstable) |
| 14:55.50 | wernerdev | So a lot of options I see, but not one line a Launchpad PPA. |
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| 14:55.59 | wernerdev | *line = like |
| 14:57.10 | babilen | wernerdev: A PPA wouldn't help in this case, because you probably have to backport a number of Mono dependencies as well. The method of doing this is detailed in the ssb factoid. If you consider running wheezy you should join the #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net and read the Sid FAQ referenced in its topic. |
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| 14:57.44 | babilen | wernerdev: Or rather: A PPA would help, but somebody still has to do the work. |
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| 14:58.04 | wernerdev | Ah ok. So what do you think is the best way to go? |
| 14:58.12 | babilen | would personally never install software from a PPA due to the unknown package quality. |
| 14:58.24 | daemonkeeper | s/unknown/vastly poor/ |
| 14:58.35 | babilen | wernerdev: Use a different music player, stay with the version you have or ... |
| 14:58.37 | wernerdev | Because 1.6 vs 2.x is just way too much difference. Else I would just use 1.6 |
| 14:59.19 | babilen | daemonkeeper: heh |
| 14:59.33 | jhutchins_lt | Shadur: Recommending testing at this stage is very bad advice. Testing is a new and evolving release, and we know for certain that it WILL break. |
| 15:00.13 | jhutchins_lt | Shadur: If you're running testing you need a full understanding of the packaging system and a solid backup policy. |
| 15:00.36 | jhutchins_lt | Shadur: To run it just to gratify your insecurity over version numbers is pretty silly. |
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| 15:00.45 | wernerdev | Ok thanks jhutchins_lt |
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| 15:01.28 | jhutchins_lt | Of course, if one of the reasons that you have a computer is that you enjoy messing with stuff and breaking and fixing software, it can be fun. |
| 15:01.48 | wernerdev | I had the same problem like this on my home server. The netatalk package was way too outdated with some bugs/problems which got fixed in a more recent version. |
| 15:02.20 | wernerdev | Eventually it made me switch to Ubuntu Server which had more recent versions by default. |
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| 15:09.14 | wernerdev | Too bad there isn't an easier was to just update that one package and it's dependencies. I tried adding the unstable repo, install Banshee 2.x and then remove the unstable repo again. But that just didn't feel right. |
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| 15:10.15 | babilen | wernerdev: Trust your feeling on that. |
| 15:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | wernerdev: That's not the right way to do it. Check the wiki for info about pinning - but mixing unstable with stable is more risky than running straight unstable. |
| 15:11.38 | wernerdev | Ok thanks everyone. Guess I'll just have to live with 1.6 :) |
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| 15:17.51 | jhutchins_lt | wernerdev: You might want to check out Amarok. It's a more mature and stable media manager that has worked well for me in both 3.5 and 4.x KDE. |
| 15:18.39 | wernerdev | Thanks, but I'm using Gnome. So that's a no go |
| 15:19.52 | babilen | wernerdev: rhythmbox? but you can run amarok just fine in gnome. |
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| 15:20.17 | wernerdev | Oh I just remind another problem. It won't automount my USB stick. Which works on OS X and Fedora 15 just fine. |
| 15:20.29 | wernerdev | FAT32 is just kernel supported right? |
| 15:20.42 | wernerdev | "Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed" |
| 15:20.55 | wernerdev | "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1" |
| 15:21.00 | Wyzard | Yes, FAT32 supported (and my USB drives work fine) |
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| 15:22.58 | wernerdev | Dmesg says things like "UDF-fs: No VRS found". Does it somehow recognize it as UDF? |
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| 15:28.32 | wernerdev | Debian recognizes my USB stick as an CD-ROM. "/dev/sdb1 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 " |
| 15:29.00 | wernerdev | That's why it tries to mount is as UDF instead of FAT32... |
| 15:29.46 | Wyzard | Some USB devices present themselves as a CD drive initially, containing drivers or some sort of special software (Windows-only, of course) that you're supposed to install to access the drive |
| 15:30.07 | Wyzard | and then when you install the software, it sends a special message to the drive to make it switch from an emulated CD to the real storage |
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| 15:30.30 | Wyzard | There's a package in Debian for sending that special message, but I don't remember what it's called |
| 15:31.06 | wernerdev | Hmm that's possible, but why do other distributions like Ubuntu (based on Debian) just mount it without problems? |
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| 15:31.25 | Wyzard | aha, the package is usb-modeswitch |
| 15:31.32 | Wyzard | Other distros might have that installed and used by default |
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| 15:32.38 | Wyzard | I don't know how (or whether) it integrates into the GNOME/KDE infrastructure for mounting removable drives -- I don't have any devices like that, so I've never tried it |
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| 15:33.16 | wernerdev | No it doesn't, just installed it. |
| 15:33.17 | Wyzard | I've seen a USB drive (a WD MyBook) that appears as *both* a CD drive and a hard drive when plugged in |
| 15:33.24 | wernerdev | Maybe a reboot is needed. |
| 15:33.32 | Wyzard | Both were mounted automatically when I plugged it in |
| 15:33.45 | Wyzard | (on an XUbuntu system, but I doubt Debian would be any different) |
| 15:34.00 | wernerdev | But I did expect the partition to be gone after repartitioning it in OS X |
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| 15:35.38 | wernerdev | Well I'll just try and mess around with it some more. Thanks for the help. |
| 15:35.48 | wernerdev | Have a nice day. |
| 15:35.52 | Wyzard | Actually, that line you pasted doesn't indicate a CD device, it indicates an ordinary disk partition containing a UDF or iso9660 filesystem |
| 15:36.13 | Wyzard | (which is uncommong, but perfectly valid) |
| 15:36.19 | Wyzard | *uncommon |
| 15:36.39 | wernerdev | But I know for sure the filesystem is FAT32. |
| 15:36.51 | wernerdev | And that's the reason the automounting fails I guess. |
| 15:37.47 | Wyzard | Was it formerly iso9660, and you reformatted it as FAT32? |
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| 15:38.43 | Wyzard | IIRC, iso9660 leaves the first 2kb unused, and keeps its superblock in the second 2kb |
| 15:38.58 | wernerdev | It's a Kingston Stick which might had the Utility partition you talked about. But as soon as I got it I repartitioned (created a new partition table) in OS X. |
| 15:39.05 | Wyzard | You could have both the FAT32 superblock (in the first 512 bytes) and a leftover iso9660 superblock |
| 15:39.26 | wernerdev | Possible... |
| 15:39.32 | Wyzard | Repartitioning doesn't actually erase the partition contents |
| 15:39.52 | Wyzard | If your new partition has the same starting block as the old one, an OS reading it will see the same data as before |
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| 15:40.22 | wernerdev | But somehow Debian is missing a package which fixed that by default. |
| 15:40.46 | wernerdev | Well thanks so far, I'll be getting some fresh air. Take care. |
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| 15:43.19 | Cain | when installing debian on a server 2 years ago i thought 30GB for / partition will be enough, not enough, so is there a way to 'merge' / and /home to get one / partition (the physical hard disk is splitted to / /home (both reiserfs) and swap ==> http://pastebin.com/BHavZ64p |
| 15:44.15 | siyb | Cain: if you can, install a new harddrive and outsource large portions of the fs to the new harddrive |
| 15:44.22 | cusco | Cain: I would rather link something in / to /home |
| 15:44.27 | Wyzard | Cain: Not easily -- that's a "backup, reformat, copy data back" sort of operation |
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| 15:44.46 | cusco | Cain: also apt-get clean |
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| 15:45.07 | wols_ | Cain: reiserfs can't be resized. ext3 could |
| 15:45.26 | Wyzard | reiserfs can be resized, I think |
| 15:45.41 | Cain | cusco : that idea is not bad, can you give me an example ? |
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| 15:46.24 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: The surest way to do it is to back up the data, repartition the disk, and restore the data. |
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| 15:46.34 | Wyzard | I guess you could move everything on the home partition to a /home subdirectory, then move everything in / into the home partition |
| 15:46.45 | cusco | Cain: I would create a dir like /home/system and copy say.. /var there, then mount /var as /home/system/var |
| 15:46.49 | JohnWittle | woah this sounds like a hilarious hack |
| 15:46.55 | Wyzard | then use gparted to delete the old 30GB partition and move the new one to fill the gap |
| 15:46.57 | cusco | Cain: but that would not be propper |
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| 15:47.12 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: You're not going to be able to combine the partitions and preserve the data from both, although it's possible to preserve one of them if you resize with parted. |
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| 15:47.46 | Cain | jhutchins : can i preserve root then ? so i don't have to reinstall to whole system ? |
| 15:47.48 | Wyzard | That'd avoid the need to do a full backup and restore (though making a backup beforehand would still be a good idea, just in case) |
| 15:48.03 | gavv | hello all, is there a way to downgrade package (from testing to stable) with its dependencies? |
| 15:48.09 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: You can, but you should back it up before messing with the partition table anyway. |
| 15:48.15 | Cain | sure |
| 15:48.31 | Cain | okey, thx guys ^^ |
| 15:48.36 | jhutchins_lt | Resizing can be slower than backup/repartition/restore. |
| 15:48.58 | jhutchins_lt | !downgrade |
| 15:48.58 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 15:49.23 | Cain | jhutchins_lt : this was my first server i didn't remember of all stuffs running on it |
| 15:49.55 | Cain | jhutchins_lt : when you say restoring, it's not reinstalling from scratch ? |
| 15:50.04 | gavv | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
| 15:50.17 | Wyzard | gavv: You can downgrade individual packages whose names you specify, and with some unusual apt configuration it's possible to make apt try to downgrade the whole system, e.g. from testing to stable |
| 15:50.24 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Cain about debian clone |
| 15:50.25 | Wyzard | gavv: but you have no assurance that it will work |
| 15:50.56 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: If you make a backup you don't have to reinstall. |
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| 15:51.44 | Cain | jhutchins_lt : what about customed configuration of some packages ? it can be preserved too ? |
| 15:51.46 | gavv | Wyzard, in my case, I need libgtk from stable instead testing |
| 15:52.24 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: : Sure. For instance, most system configuration is in /etc |
| 15:52.26 | Wyzard | gavv: You can add stable to your sources.list (if it isn't there already) and try "apt-get install <package>=<version>" |
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| 15:52.34 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Cain about what to back up |
| 15:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Cain about what to backup |
| 15:52.57 | Wyzard | Cain: I outlined a procedure above that should work and preserve everything, without needing to do a full backup and restore |
| 15:53.51 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: It's best to do the backup with the system booted to a CD or something so the filesystem isn't "live". |
| 15:54.28 | gavv | Wyzard, i'm using stable, but accidentally updated gtk to testing; downgrading gtk suggests removing all packages that depends on it |
| 15:54.31 | jhutchins_lt | gavv: That's very likely to break the system. |
| 15:54.53 | Wyzard | gavv: sounds like you upgraded more than just gtk, if other packages are depending on the newer version |
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| 15:56.46 | Cain | Wyzard : i'll give it a try, but after doing a backup, just in case |
| 15:56.48 | Cain | thx again |
| 15:56.54 | gavv | maybe.. to break the system because of incorrect config files after downgrade? |
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| 15:57.49 | Wyzard | gavv: If other packages have been upgraded and depend on the newer libgtk, that's not just a matter of config files: they may depend on functions that only exist in the newer version of the library |
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| 15:58.38 | gavv | yes, I understand that downgrading ONLY gtk will break all; i'm going to downgrade all dependencies too |
| 15:59.04 | Wyzard | which risks breakage for other reasons (such as incompatible config files) |
| 15:59.33 | Wyzard | Downgrading in general is not supported |
| 16:00.10 | Wyzard | It may work in certain cases, but it's not something you can rely on |
| 16:00.55 | gavv | ok. i'll try :) |
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| 16:02.21 | gavv | ps. thanks for explanation |
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| 16:09.45 | Wyzard | Here's a message I haven't seen before from mkfs.ext4: "Operation not permitted while setting up superblock" |
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| 16:10.02 | Botanic | whenever i try to save a file with nano i get this error, vi works fine however...http://codepad.org/xpA3AHOU |
| 16:11.29 | Botanic | however its only when using ctrl+o saving on exit works fine |
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| 16:12.32 | Wyzard | Botanic: That looks like it's trying to run the line as a script |
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| 16:12.57 | Botanic | well that doesnt make a lotta sence.... |
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| 16:13.12 | Wyzard | or is that "unexpected identifier" a codepad thing, and not part of your paste? |
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| 16:13.25 | Botanic | part of the paste |
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| 16:13.31 | Botanic | it shows up over nano when a ctrl+o |
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| 16:14.26 | Wyzard | and the first part of the paste is the contents of the file you tried to save? |
| 16:14.37 | Botanic | nope |
| 16:14.41 | Botanic | thats all part of the error |
| 16:14.43 | Botanic | that shows up |
| 16:15.10 | Wyzard | both lines? |
| 16:15.12 | Wyzard | dunno then |
| 16:15.23 | Botanic | oh |
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| 16:15.28 | Botanic | the output is frim codepad |
| 16:15.31 | Botanic | the paste is the top |
| 16:15.33 | Botanic | sorry |
| 16:15.38 | Botanic | didnt get what you were saying |
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| 17:41.06 | kfogel | When I try to listen to the live stream from http://www.kruufm.com/node/6863/Listen+Live.m3u by clicking on it in Firefox, I'm offered the choice of MoviePlayer to play the live stream -- but when it comes up, it just sits stopped/paused. I can't unpause it and get it to play. It's not a sound issue: the movieplayer animation thingy is also not moving, so the stream really is not playing. Anyone encountered this? |
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| 17:41.59 | tzorvas | is there any way to list all installed packages? (i dont want dpkg -l because it shows all libs etc etc..) |
| 17:42.02 | tzorvas | any idea? |
| 17:42.33 | jhutchins | kfogel: You may not have a movie player configured, or the one you have may not understand m3u playlists. I use Amarok. |
| 17:42.41 | jhutchins | tzorvas: dpkg -l |
| 17:42.44 | kfogel | jhutchins: thanks. |
| 17:43.01 | jhutchins | tzorvas: dpkg -l | grep -v lib |
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| 17:43.21 | tzorvas | jhutchins: but this shows every dep of python for example |
| 17:43.23 | jhutchins | tzorvas: Libraries are packages too. |
| 17:43.41 | tzorvas | i want a full list for all packages that i have installed with "apt-get install" :$ |
| 17:43.46 | moele | .. |
| 17:43.47 | jhutchins | tzorvas: You might try aptitude in menu mode or synaptic (the gui). |
| 17:44.11 | jhutchins | tzorvas: There's supposed to a log but I found that mine on squeeze were all blank. |
| 17:44.14 | moele | tzorvas, just do dpkg -l and use pattern matching to get rid of libs.. |
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| 18:07.47 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:08.02 | babilen | o/ |
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| 18:14.52 | fbs | is .xinitrc still used in debian? |
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| 18:16.38 | abdelkhalak | fbs: why not? |
| 18:16.44 | stew | fbs: yes, if you un startx |
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| 18:18.17 | abdelkhalak | stew: i want to run fluxbox as my sole desktop |
| 18:18.19 | fbs | abdelkhalak: dunno, its not in /etc/skel. Would be nice to have a small template there |
| 18:18.31 | fbs | like # add your shit here |
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| 18:19.03 | abdelkhalak | when i use starx, i get an error: cant connect to X11 server |
| 18:19.13 | abdelkhalak | what shall i do? |
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| 18:19.55 | babilen | fbs: Just use ~/.xsession |
| 18:20.03 | Black_Prince | fbs, global xinitrc is in /etc/X11/xinit |
| 18:20.11 | babilen | fbs: It is used by session managers and startx |
| 18:20.43 | abdelkhalak | babilen: what if i don't want to use a session manager; i just want to use fluxbox |
| 18:20.58 | abdelkhalak | and log in using startx |
| 18:21.10 | babilen | abdelkhalak: It would work just as well and if you ever decide to use a session manager you don't have to change anything. |
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| 18:22.06 | thewanderer1 | how the hell do I clean nscd's cache? |
| 18:22.40 | abdelkhalak | babilen: i keep getting an error: "can't connect to X11 server" when i use startx |
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| 18:23.50 | thewanderer1 | or how much time does it take anyway for the cache to run out? |
| 18:23.54 | fbs | babilen: are there any good debian doc on the whole x11 stuff. Like which files are used etc. .xinitrd doesnt seem to load at boot. I guess i have to add it to /etc/X11/xinitrd or smth? |
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| 18:24.19 | babilen | abdelkhalak: My condolences! It would help if you show us the xinitrc/xsession you are using along with the xsession-errors (if existent) and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:24.38 | babilen | fbs: "man startx" is a good starter |
| 18:25.00 | abdelkhalak | babilen: thanks; i'll check and be back soon |
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| 18:25.31 | babilen | fbs: i'll let you know if something else crosses my mind |
| 18:27.43 | fbs | babilen: :) |
| 18:28.05 | babilen | I mean there is plenty of documentation, but I can't think of a nice write-up :) |
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| 18:29.47 | cheako | abdelkhalak: I'm sure this was pointed out, but your Xserver is not starting... /me reading backlog. |
| 18:29.53 | fbs | babilen: true, but it looks like every distrio has its own way of doing stuff. |
| 18:30.59 | abdelkhalak | cheako: it starts when i use a session manager though |
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| 18:31.40 | cheako | fbs: The non-existant nature of .xinitrc has value. Any example would have to be named .xinitrc-template or something. It's better to gzip something into /usr/share/doc. |
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| 18:32.16 | babilen | abdelkhalak: Also try: X :42 & sleep 5 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm |
| 18:32.38 | babilen | abdelkhalak: But paste that stuff, not much we can do without additional information |
| 18:33.21 | cheako | abdelkhalak: You can use a window manager as your session manager, though you are missing out on features that are likely never used anyway. |
| 18:33.22 | fbs | cheako: yeah i just figured that out. Adding an empty xsession would break x11. |
| 18:34.40 | cheako | .xinitrc and .xsession are used for different purposes, like .bashrc and .profile... sort-of. |
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| 18:35.58 | cheako | fbs: That's xinitrc "c" |
| 18:37.32 | cheako | abdelkhalak: Pastebin what you are doing. |
| 18:38.15 | cheako | Caught up. |
| 18:38.51 | fbs | ill take some time this summer to learn more about x11 and the boot process |
| 18:38.54 | fbs | thank everyone :) |
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| 18:39.29 | cheako | http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xinitrc.html |
| 18:39.49 | fbs | :) |
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| 18:40.03 | nvictor | hola people |
| 18:40.09 | nvictor | how do i install .deb packages? |
| 18:40.17 | abdelkhalak | cheako: i'm impressed by the latest gparted fluxbox style and menus and i decided to use fluxbox only in the same style |
| 18:40.19 | fbs | nvictor: aptitude install |
| 18:40.31 | fbs | or dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 18:40.32 | nvictor | fbs: apt-get doesn't install stuff? |
| 18:40.37 | cheako | abdelkhalak: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/a802.html |
| 18:40.41 | fbs | when you downloaded the package manually |
| 18:40.45 | nvictor | oh yes dpkg -i |
| 18:40.49 | nvictor | ok |
| 18:40.54 | abdelkhalak | cheako: thank you |
| 18:41.11 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iptables |
| 18:41.13 | judd | Package iptables on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.2-6; squeeze: 1.4.8-3; sid: 1.4.10-1; wheezy: 1.4.10-1 |
| 18:41.18 | nvictor | thanks fbs |
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| 18:41.25 | cheako | No problem, google can be vary unhelpful at times for me as well. |
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| 18:41.39 | avendael | fbs: I have a very minimal .xinitrc |
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| 18:41.50 | cheako | The winning search term was "xinitrc xsession" |
| 18:41.51 | avendael | fbs: it only has "exec stumpwm" in it and it works |
| 18:42.12 | fbs | :P |
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| 18:42.36 | avendael | fbs: I think the X11 thread in the debian doc section of the forum can help |
| 18:42.46 | babilen | abdelkhalak: No errors? |
| 18:42.58 | fbs | avendael: ill look at it, thanks :) |
| 18:43.15 | avendael | fbs: I hope you also find it useful. Goodluck! |
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| 18:45.44 | nvictor | well fbs i can't install dropbox :( |
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| 18:48.04 | fbs | nvictor: just get the source ? |
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| 18:48.31 | fbs | https://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx |
| 18:48.31 | Angstrom_ | how do I change my dependencies for a package |
| 18:48.39 | fbs | nvictor: ^^ |
| 18:48.50 | Angstrom_ | so nvictor is the command to do it? |
| 18:48.54 | fbs | nvictor: download the compile from source. Extract it. |
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| 18:49.13 | fbs | Angstrom_: for you it is :) |
| 18:49.35 | Angstrom_ | I'm trying to install cinelerra but keep getting a request for liblame0 which doesn't exist |
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| 18:49.46 | Angstrom_ | someone gave me an "svg" file (no, not the graphic format) |
| 18:49.53 | Angstrom_ | how do I find the cinelerra svg file? |
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| 18:52.45 | saulus | I want to copy random files from my music dir to my mp3player but dont get any script to do exactly what I want to. Do you know any terminal or gui program facilitating my task? |
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| 18:53.48 | babilen | !tell Angstrom_ -about bat |
| 18:53.55 | fbs | saulus: it shouldnt be that hard to write a script for it. |
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| 18:54.39 | babilen | Angstrom_: Please paste that information to http://paste.debian.net -- thank you. lame is not in Debian, but you can find it in dmm (/msg dpkg dmm) |
| 18:54.39 | Angstrom1 | I SAID HOW DO I FIND THE CINELERRA SVG FILE |
| 18:54.45 | Angstrom1 | yeah |
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| 18:54.52 | Angstrom1 | I downloaded debian-multimedia.org |
| 18:54.58 | Angstrom1 | I have libmp3lame0 |
| 18:55.04 | Angstrom1 | but not liblame0 and it keeps asking me for it |
| 18:55.11 | Angstrom1 | I checked the web for solutions to my problem... |
| 18:55.17 | saulus | fbs: didnt succeed. Show me ;-) |
| 18:55.35 | cahoot | missing the -dev pkg? |
| 18:55.48 | babilen | Angstrom1: What is "it" ? Please stay calm and don't scream in here. |
| 18:55.50 | Angstrom1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: cinelerra : Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.97) but it is not installable Depends: libopenexr2ldbl (>= 1.2.2) but it is not installable Depends: libquicktimehv (>= 1:2.1.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:56.25 | babilen | Angstrom1: So the packaging is broken, I take it you got that from dmm? |
| 18:56.31 | Angstrom1 | now my apt-cache depends cinelerra says liblame0, but not libmp3lame0 |
| 18:56.36 | Angstrom1 | yes, I got it from dmm |
| 18:56.52 | craigevil | cinelerra installs ok in sid |
| 18:56.54 | Angstrom1 | how do I fix the packaging? manually download the .deb file myself and edit the dependencies somehow? If so, how do I do that |
| 18:56.57 | Angstrom1 | Yes, but I'm using squeeze |
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| 18:57.33 | craigevil | email Christian the dmm maintainer and let him know it is broken |
| 18:57.48 | babilen | You can probably download the source package, change debian/control and rebuilt the package. (/msg dpkg package rebuilt) -- Not sure how to file bugs against dmm packages, but that might be a good idea. (if all else fails, contact the mailing list) |
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| 18:58.52 | Angstrom1 | I searched the web and many other people have been having this problem since lenny |
| 18:59.05 | Angstrom1 | I found no solution on Google, that's why I came here |
| 18:59.20 | babilen | Angstrom1: Could you please paste the requested information so I don't have to ask a bunch of questions? |
| 19:00.19 | fbs | saulus: i dont have time for it now. But i g uess you could use smth like http://benjisimon.blogspot.com/2008/05/bash-shell-hack-picking-random-set-of.html |
| 19:00.26 | Angstrom1 | What information? |
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| 19:01.08 | fbs | saulus: if you replace the ls with smth like `find -name *.mp3` |
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| 19:01.15 | saulus | fbs: thx. Did see the link some time ago but didnt work - dont remember why. But heres the answer. Nice working script: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1421083 |
| 19:01.33 | saulus | fbs. Maybe that would do the trick |
| 19:01.45 | babilen | Angstrom1: /msg dpkg bat (sent to Angstrom_) |
| 19:02.01 | Angstrom1 | How do I edit the dependencies or change them? What files are these cinelerra dependencies stored? aptitude must store them somewhere |
| 19:02.09 | Angstrom1 | I typed /msg dpkg bat and dpkg wouldn't respond |
| 19:02.14 | Angstrom1 | I also typed /msg dpkg package rebuilt, still no response |
| 19:02.25 | babilen | dpkg: ping |
| 19:02.25 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:02.30 | babilen | !bat |
| 19:02.30 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:02.35 | babilen | !package rebuilt |
| 19:02.35 | fbs | saulus: good luck :) |
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| 19:03.05 | babilen | !tell Angstrom1 -about package rebuilt |
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| 19:06.30 | Angstrom1 | Alright |
| 19:06.32 | saulus | fbs. Thx. Your find modification worked as well. Selects a number of *.mp3's. My post copies $SIZE-many mp3s. Both is nice to have. Cheers! |
| 19:06.37 | Angstrom1 | http://pastebin.com/b9GLSTnd |
| 19:06.50 | Angstrom1 | http://pastebin.com/b9GLSTnd <-- there's information that might be helpful to solving my dependency editing problem |
| 19:07.14 | babilen | Angstrom1: It might be that the package actually needs a dependency on libmp3lame0 but I can't be sure. You might want to try it. |
| 19:07.42 | Angstrom1 | look at line 177 of my pastebin URL |
| 19:07.49 | Angstrom1 | from debtree: "libmp3lame0" -> "liblame0" [color=red]; |
| 19:08.00 | Angstrom1 | libmp3lame0 relying on liblame0? That isn't right |
| 19:08.27 | Angstrom1 | it should be "liblame0" -> "libmp3lame0" (or liblame0 pointer to libmp3lame0 if I'm reading that correctly) |
| 19:08.28 | Bushmills | Angstrom1: conflicting. not depending. mutually exclusive |
| 19:08.28 | Texou | hi |
| 19:08.43 | Angstrom1 | liblame0 doesn't exist, in dmm or ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:09.02 | Texou | how can I, with Squeeze, tell Gnome to run Synaptic with sudo instead of gksu? is there a particular wan to do this? |
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| 19:09.25 | babilen | Angstrom1: You don't get the package from dmm, but from some third-party repository that is unknown to me. (http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/athlonxp/) |
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| 19:09.30 | vrkalak | o/ |
| 19:09.30 | Angstrom1 | My question about cinelerra, why does it say version 2007: 1:2.1.0-2svn20071030 |
| 19:09.37 | Angstrom1 | ok |
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| 19:10.21 | Angstrom1 | this is what happened: I think I force installed a cinelerra deb file from the kiberpipa.org repository... Then when I try to get it from dmm, it won't install bec ause the information from the 2007 kiberpipa package is already force installed |
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| 19:10.34 | Angstrom1 | If so, how do I get rid of the old cinelerra? |
| 19:11.17 | babilen | Angstrom1: Removing that repository from your sources would be a start. Also purge cinelerra -- Not idea what the package from there does/did though. |
| 19:11.59 | Angstrom1 | it says "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed." for cinelerra |
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| 19:12.28 | Angstrom1 | I typed aptitude purge cinelerra |
| 19:12.41 | Angstrom1 | I don't know how to remove it... how do I remove it? dpkg purge? |
| 19:12.53 | babilen | ok, just remove the kiberpipa repo from your sources and try again. |
| 19:13.21 | vrkalak | aptitude -purge <app> |
| 19:13.35 | Angstrom1 | I tried that |
| 19:13.45 | cyoz | what command would I use to show me info about my usb devices? |
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| 19:14.11 | Angstrom1 | aptitude purge cinelerra Couldn't find package "cinelerra". However, the following packages contain "cinelerra" in their name: cinelerra-data |
| 19:14.21 | vrkalak | cyoz, lsusb (lowercase L) |
| 19:14.27 | holoseen | I am getting "hash sum mismatch" on apt-get. Is the fix just to wait till it clears? |
| 19:14.29 | craigevil | remove kiberipa and make sure you have the dmm repo, aptitude update, aptitude install cinelera |
| 19:15.01 | craigevil | holoseen, usually see that when the repo/server is updating, wait a couple of minutes and try again |
| 19:15.07 | cyoz | vrkalak, thanks |
| 19:15.10 | vrkalak | holoseen, I usually wait for it to clear ... the maintainers are usually pretty good to fix it |
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| 19:15.30 | wernerdev | Evening... |
| 19:15.32 | holoseen | craigevil, vrtkalak--ok thanks. |
| 19:15.33 | Angstrom1 | Okay it's working now |
| 19:15.48 | vrkalak | wernerdev, afternoon |
| 19:15.48 | Angstrom1 | Thank you for your help... I removed cinelerra-data instead of just cinelerra with aptitude purge |
| 19:15.52 | wernerdev | Had something strange while installing Debian. |
| 19:15.58 | Angstrom1 | Have a good day... |
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| 19:16.24 | wernerdev | I partitioned my HDD as EXT4 instead of the default EXT3. But I noticed the installation took way more time. |
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| 19:17.26 | wernerdev | Also the gnome-core installation took a huge amount of time. Just because my HDD is EXT4 now... |
| 19:17.36 | vrkalak | wernerdev, i think that the debian-installer just reformats the reformat |
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| 19:18.01 | vrkalak | but, i could be wrong |
| 19:18.08 | wernerdev | vrkalak: The gnome-core installation was after installing the base system. |
| 19:18.21 | vrkalak | wernerdev, ahh |
| 19:18.41 | wernerdev | But I was thinking the same as you during the base installation. |
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| 19:19.33 | vrkalak | i don't remember what i did when i installed my ol' lenny from a net.install, as far as formatting the partition |
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| 19:19.57 | wernerdev | What else could it be? EXT4 has to be the same or even faster than EXT3... So I don't get it... |
| 19:20.19 | vrkalak | wernerdev, one would think |
| 19:20.49 | vrkalak | i guesss, it depends on the speed of the computers processors |
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| 19:21.11 | wernerdev | It's a Core2Duo. |
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| 19:21.18 | wernerdev | Should handle it I guess. |
| 19:21.43 | cyoz | trying to get my dvb-t card to run is very confusing currently.. how can I figure out if I already have drivers installed for it? |
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| 19:22.02 | wernerdev | And I had a EXT4 installation on it before, without the noticable speed drop. |
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| 19:22.14 | cyoz | the card is shown via lsusb |
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| 19:26.29 | GNU\colossus | cyoz, is there something conclusive showing in the output of `dmesg` right after plugging the device in? |
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| 19:28.12 | cyoz | GNU\colossus, I think so... http://pastebin.com/BGVxrv9i |
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| 19:28.28 | cyoz | terratec cinergy t xs is correct |
| 19:28.44 | GNU\colossus | cyoz, your device will probably work after you put the (probably non-free) firmware for it in place |
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| 19:30.21 | cyoz | how would I do that? I googled for a while now and I'm still lost |
| 19:30.24 | wernerdev | While installing a package (Banshee player) the CPU does not get above 10% usage. But the installation is 5 times slower then the previous EXT3 installation for sure. |
| 19:30.31 | cyoz | the vendor doesn't offer linux drivers |
| 19:31.09 | wols | cyoz: you don't need drivers but a firmware file |
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| 19:31.27 | wols | cyoz: and it already tells you what the filename of the file is it needs |
| 19:31.46 | wols | wernerdev: caches are wonderful things |
| 19:32.06 | wernerdev | You think thats the problem? |
| 19:32.11 | wernerdev | How can I fix it :) |
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| 19:34.11 | babilen | cyoz: A short search points to http://steventoth.net/linux/xc5000/ -- See for example http://mylinuxblog.net/installation-and-configuration-of-avermedia-mce-116-in-debian-linux/ |
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| 19:35.23 | cyoz | babilen, thanks |
| 19:35.51 | babilen | cyoz: You can dowload the zip file and you can get the extract_xc3028.pl can be found in the linux-doc-2.6.32 package (apt-file search extract_xc3028.pl) |
| 19:36.47 | babilen | cyoz: That will hopefully allow you to get hold of the firmware. I have *absolutely* not idea if you can/should trust steven toth on this, so it is your decision. You might also want to investigate along those lines. |
| 19:36.59 | wernerdev | Nobody knows why EXT4 is soo slow? |
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| 19:39.31 | sdthkaq | ever tried btrfs? Why using an interim solution? |
| 19:39.43 | babilen | cyoz: Good luck (and I would love to hear about your results) |
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| 19:40.01 | babilen | !btrfs |
| 19:40.01 | dpkg | Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux, aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in mainline at Linux 2.6.29, utilities are packaged in btrfs-tools. Btrfs is currently not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review. http://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:40.04 | Wyzard | sdthkaq: because btrfs isn't finished yet |
| 19:40.35 | cyoz | babilen, ha.. thanks |
| 19:40.38 | cyoz | be right back |
| 19:41.05 | wernerdev | Hmm well guess I'll try and convert back to EXT3 then... |
| 19:41.16 | wernerdev | Another strange Debian problem I ran into... |
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| 19:41.49 | sdthkaq | ext3 is well tested, so I would use it until Btrfs is claimed to be suitable for production use. |
| 19:42.02 | Wyzard | wernerdev: I use ext4 on all my systems and haven't had any problems with it being slow |
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| 19:42.24 | avendael` | wernerdev: maybe put noatime at fstab? |
| 19:42.45 | avendael` | I also use ext4 for my netbook |
| 19:42.55 | wernerdev | I was expecting it to work right after installation. |
| 19:43.10 | wernerdev | I changed to EXT4 at the partitioning step during installation. |
| 19:43.41 | avendael` | I'm not really sure if it's slow. It's been quite some time since I used ext3 |
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| 19:44.13 | Wyzard | For large files it tends to be faster, actually |
| 19:44.13 | wernerdev | Everyting takes about 5 times longer to install. |
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| 19:44.54 | Wyzard | wernerdev: Were you previously using ext3 on the same disk? |
| 19:45.12 | skiz | I'm trying to find some info on setting specific syslinux flags when building live images.. |
| 19:45.26 | wernerdev | Wyzard: Yes, old Ubuntu installation. Which was blazing fast |
| 19:46.08 | wernerdev | Wyzard: Which even has EXT4 as default filesystem and is based on Debian. |
| 19:47.39 | avendael` | wernerdev: maybe Ubuntu uses hdparm by default |
| 19:47.58 | Wyzard | uses hdparm to do what? |
| 19:48.04 | Wyzard | The drive should default to its fastest mode |
| 19:49.31 | wernerdev | How come I have problems nobody has ever heard or before... |
| 19:49.40 | wernerdev | of |
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| 19:50.02 | wernerdev | Guess there is some sort of curse on this computer :) |
| 19:50.30 | Wyzard | Check that the drive isn't going bad (do a SMART scan), loose cables, insufficient RAM causing heavy swapping |
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| 19:52.47 | wernerdev | Drive was ok 1 hour ago, so I don't suspect that to be te cause. |
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| 19:53.14 | wernerdev | RAM is 4GB from which 230MB is used. |
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| 19:55.31 | avendael` | wernerdev: is your drive an SSD? |
| 19:55.44 | wernerdev | No just a normal HDD. |
| 19:56.10 | wernerdev | Ill try and convert back to EXT3 is that's possible and see if the speed is back... |
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| 19:57.47 | Wyzard | You can't convert ext4 to ext3 in-place, but you can use a liveCD to copy everything off, mkfs -t ext3, then copy everything back |
| 19:58.47 | wernerdev | Hmm lame. I will just reinstall then. Only have the base system installed. |
| 19:59.15 | woonix | make sure to report back on the results :) |
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| 19:59.25 | wernerdev | Sure will |
| 19:59.57 | wernerdev | Oh and I still have not solved the USB stick problem. Recognizing as UDF instead of FAT32 |
| 20:00.21 | wernerdev | Which didn't cause problems on my old Ubuntu installation. |
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| 20:01.29 | wernerdev | Well I will ask about that after reinstalling. |
| 20:01.35 | wernerdev | See you later. |
| 20:01.35 | Wyzard | Try mounting it manually with "mount -t fat32" and "mount -t udf" -- I have a feeling you'll find that both succeed |
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| 20:05.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hi guys, I just bought a WD MyBookLive 1TB NAS drive and have it attatched to its own router. Right now I have the 8 repository DVDs on each of my computers hard drives. What I would love to do is move them to the NAS, with its FTP access ability to share the same repository to all of my machines. My issue is that I dont know for sure yet if its possible to specify an FTP username and password within /etc/apt/sources.list. Is this possib |
| 20:05.46 | martianlobster | can someone remind me, what is that utility, which copies parts of files? |
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| 20:07.03 | woonix | rsync? |
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| 20:07.39 | cheako | LinuxGuy2009: Why not use anonymous ftp? Also it should be possible to use the normal syntax "ftp://user:pass@ftpserver/url-path" |
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| 20:08.15 | martianlobster | no I am thinking of the one that you give it a file name, a number bytes, and it copies the first n bytes to another file. it isn't rsync. Isn't rsync for syncronizing larges directories of files on different machines? |
| 20:08.23 | carnage777999 | i got ipv4 working again im happy |
| 20:08.26 | mentor | dd |
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| 20:09.02 | martianlobster | dd thatns it! :) |
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| 20:09.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: Right thats what I would love to have but not so sure if this drive can do that or not. It has users and shares. But not sure how to configure that. Unless I just put the repo in the public share. Thats the only way I can see on this drive, but it has no settings to prevent writing or deleting I think. Maybe Im missing something. |
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| 20:11.58 | cheako | LinuxGuy2009: I'm sure that anonymous access is restricted to read only unless there is an incoming folder... If this device even supports that. |
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| 20:12.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: Ok see thats what i didnt know. Was the syntax to specify the user and password. That sounds like just what I need. Perfect. |
| 20:12.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: Thank you very much! |
| 20:13.40 | cheako | No problem, though you may want to find out what features your device supports eventually. |
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| 20:15.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: Yeah I pretty much got everything else working on it like DLNA streaming to PS3 etc. |
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| 20:20.08 | cheako | http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/?id=230&type=25 |
| 20:20.29 | cheako | Supported OS don't include Linux, just mac and windows. |
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| 20:21.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: ftp://user:pass@local-ip-address-of-NAS/ worked perfectly. Thanks so much! |
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| 20:22.24 | cheako | I have a BlackArmor NAS from Segate and all but the lack og IPv6 support it works fine. |
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| 20:23.17 | cheako | The manual for this WD device looks nice. |
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| 20:27.24 | cheako | The manual dosen't say anything other then it makes the share public. I'd assume that anonymous users would be able to read but not write. |
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| 20:27.48 | cheako | something for you to test in your spare time. |
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| 20:29.04 | wernerdev | Just reinstalled Debian using EXT3 filesystem. And guess what: Fast again! |
| 20:29.20 | homestarz | hi guys... im trying to install debian onto an embedded device. i created a bootable usbstick (first time) containing the deb6 netinst iso via syslinux... ive waded through a few issues and now im to a point where the output i see when booting is: "Decompressing Linux .. . Parsing ELF...done" Booting the kernel. Loading initrd.gz....ready." |
| 20:29.40 | homestarz | and then the device hangs.... no error message or anything. has anyone seen this before? any ideas on where to go next? |
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| 20:43.18 | kingsley | If I change "eth0" to bridge "br0" which uses eth0 as a port, should I also change the alias for "eth0" /etc/modutils/ethernet to "br0"? |
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| 20:45.56 | morn_ | kingsley: dont change the name of an interface to build up a bridge. |
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| 20:48.49 | Night-Hacks | hi guys |
| 20:48.55 | morn_ | see "man brctl". for example, "brctl add br0 eth0" adds eth0 to athe bridge br0. |
| 20:49.07 | Night-Hacks | ive real problem with my encrypted home folder |
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| 20:49.16 | Night-Hacks | i want to turnn it back |
| 20:49.29 | kingsley | morn_: Yes, I'm OK with not renaming, and yes, I agree with using "brctl add". |
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| 20:49.40 | Night-Hacks | i mean unencrypt my home folder so ill be able to view contents of my home via live cd |
| 20:50.09 | morn_ | great :) |
| 20:50.29 | Wyzard | kingsley: I don't have that file on my system, and I doubt you need it either |
| 20:50.46 | kingsley | morn_: Do you happen to know if building a bridge means /etc/modutils/ethernet should be edited to point to the newly built bridge, "br0"? |
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| 20:51.02 | Wyzard | kingsley: Is it something like "alias eth0 r8169" (or whatever your NIC's driver module is)? |
| 20:51.12 | kingsley | Wyzard: That's interesting. |
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| 20:51.37 | kingsley | Wyzard: Yes, that's what the text looks like in /etc/modutils/ethernet. |
| 20:52.13 | Wyzard | Have you had Debian installed on that machine for a long time? |
| 20:52.18 | kingsley | Wyzard: I think it might be used to create /etc/modules.conf |
| 20:52.35 | kingsley | Wyzard: That's very insightful. |
| 20:52.48 | Wyzard | My systems have no /etc/modules.conf either, and I doubt you need it |
| 20:52.52 | Night-Hacks | anyone can help |
| 20:53.01 | Night-Hacks | serious help needer ! f1 |
| 20:53.06 | Wyzard | That stuff is from before udev existed :-) |
| 20:53.08 | kingsley | Wyzard: Indeed debian has been installed for fifteen years. |
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| 20:54.52 | Wyzard | kingsley: The purpose that file used to serve is that when something tried to refer to eth0, and eth0 didn't exist yet, the kernel would try to do "modprobe eth0", and the alias would make it load the correct driver, which would then create eth0 |
| 20:55.00 | Wyzard | kingsley: Nowadays, udev does hardware detection at boot time and loads the driver automatically |
| 20:55.12 | kingsley | Wyzard: Seeing that udev replaced modules.conf is informative, and seeing ":-)" in the same sentence as "udev" is entertaining. Thanks! |
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| 20:56.10 | Wyzard | You might consider reinstalling that machine, even if it's working, just to clean out all the legacy cruft from 15 years ago |
| 20:56.15 | kingsley | Wyzard: You should get some kind of honorary degree from Linux U. |
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| 20:58.13 | kingsley | Wyzard: Reinstalling is a reasonable and popular suggestion. However, I do enjoy seeing how long I can rely on apt-get install and its friends. |
| 20:58.17 | xiaomaike | hello everybody some one have a router WIFI TP-LINK model WR 642 G, i need some help!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:59.38 | Wyzard | xiaomaike: Does it run Debian?????????? |
| 20:59.55 | xiaomaike | im so sorry |
| 20:59.58 | xiaomaike | for real |
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| 21:00.16 | wols | xiaomaike: what's your problem? |
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| 21:00.34 | xiaomaike | all i need it is the banner |
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| 21:00.59 | xiaomaike | u know when u in on the internal confgi |
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| 21:02.07 | xiaomaike | in that router |
| 21:02.40 | wols | pskill trek |
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| 21:03.27 | kingsley | If I build bridge "br0" on port eth0, should I also change the network interface in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf from "eth0" to "br0"? |
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| 21:03.37 | kynski | Hello everyone. |
| 21:03.49 | kynski | I've got one small problem with mount USB devices on Xfce4. |
| 21:04.19 | kynski | I'm starting X server by 'startx', where .xinitrc has this line: exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch xfce4-session. |
| 21:05.18 | owen1 | I use 'pmount /dev/sdb1 usb' to mount my usb sticks. i try to use similar command for my android tablet. dmesg show me: 'scsi3 : usb-storage 1-1:2.0'. any tips for mounting this device? |
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| 21:05.33 | kynski | After that Xfce4 shows me mountable devices, but I cannot mont them. |
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| 21:06.21 | kynski | And I get Not Authorized and more description about the problem. Any ideas? |
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| 21:07.53 | kynski | Ekhm, I'm back. So... Any ideas? |
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| 21:11.23 | Wyzard | kingsley: The only occurrence of "eth0" in my /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf is in a comment |
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| 21:12.00 | Wyzard | kingsley: Unless you're doing root-on-NFS, you shouldn't need to specify a network interface in initramfs.conf at all |
| 21:13.36 | kingsley | Wyzard: Oh, and yes, I'm inclined to agree with your reasoning. I also wonder if udev obsoleted specifying the network device to initramfs. |
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| 21:14.20 | simonlnu | kynski: redundant command line there. dbus and ck get auto-launched already. remove those, they'll um, cause problems ;). |
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| 21:14.30 | kingsley | Wyzard: What version of initramfs-tools are you using? |
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| 21:15.14 | Wyzard | kingsley: 0.98.8, the current version in squeeze |
| 21:15.55 | Wyzard | kingsley: The job of the initramfs is to find and mount the root filesystem. Unless the root filesystem is a network share, initramfs has no need to use the network at all. |
| 21:16.38 | Japeeh | Hi, how can use my bluetooth stereos as a default audio device in Debian? |
| 21:16.56 | Japeeh | I know it could be done in fedora and ubuntu |
| 21:17.08 | Japeeh | yet the sound settings are different in debian |
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| 21:17.55 | kingsley | Wyzard: Thank you. For what it's worth, I'm using version 0.93.4 and 0.99 is currently in unstable. |
| 21:17.56 | Wyzard | Japeeh: I have no experience with using Bluetooth on Linux systems, but note that Fedora and Ubuntu both use PulseAudio by default, and Debian doesn't |
| 21:18.00 | gnarface | Japeeh: module options. index=X where x is which audio device (0 is the first, aka default, then 1 then 2, etc) |
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| 21:18.30 | Japeeh | I see |
| 21:18.41 | Japeeh | I should try to get PulseAudio then |
| 21:19.27 | gnarface | it is available in debian |
| 21:19.40 | Wyzard | kingsley: I have a sid system too, and the 0.99 initramfs.conf is identical except for having "| xz" in the comment for the COMPRESS option |
| 21:20.09 | kingsley | Wyzard: OK. |
| 21:20.15 | Wyzard | Japeeh: I don't know whether pulse is actually needed to use Bluetooth speakers, but it's probably why the configuration is different in Debian, as you mentioned |
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| 21:23.01 | Wyzard | kingsley: You mentioned you're using intramfs-tools version 0.93-4 -- that's newer than the version in lenny, but older than the version in squeeze |
| 21:23.13 | Wyzard | What release are you actually running? |
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| 21:25.12 | simonlnu | probably some ntermediate version while squeeze was still testing |
| 21:25.15 | simonlnu | int* |
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| 21:25.57 | kingsley | Wyzard: I actually run a mix of versions, controlled by package dependencies and debian's packaging tools like apt-get. When I need new code, I just do "aptitude install <package>", which has pointed to the unstable distribution's repository for years. |
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| 21:26.21 | simonlnu | *blink* |
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| 21:26.53 | Wyzard | kingsley: so you're not up-to-date with anything, you just have whatever version of each package was current in sid on the day you installed it |
| 21:27.10 | SparFux | Hi all. Sun java is in non-free, but the source code is all available, is that true? |
| 21:27.37 | kingsley | Wyzard: I realize that many, and possibly most, people upgrade based on entire releases. You might say I'm testing how robust Debian's package management is. |
| 21:27.56 | simonlnu | and it's causing problems |
| 21:28.00 | Wyzard | kingsley: Well, the combination of packages you have installed is not a combination that anyone tests for |
| 21:28.24 | Wyzard | and will frustrate anyone trying to help you with it |
| 21:28.45 | Wyzard | "just because I can" is not a good reason to a weird unsupported setup |
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| 21:29.20 | Wyzard | If you want to run sid, at least keep it up-to-date |
| 21:29.41 | Wyzard | so you don't come in here asking about config files that have been obsolete for half a decade |
| 21:29.46 | simonlnu | plus, it's probably not even secure, tbf |
| 21:30.58 | kingsley | Wyzard: I would humbly add that on the day I install or upgrade a package and its dependencies from the unstable repositories, the package(s) are indeed up to date, and tend to remain more so than the stable and testing distributions until they're updated. |
| 21:31.01 | simonlnu | (elephant in the room...) |
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| 21:31.34 | kingsley | simonlnu: Yes, you are correct that my experiment is not without problems. |
| 21:31.58 | Wyzard | kingsley: yes, and then the stable and testing distributions *are* updated |
| 21:32.02 | Wyzard | and your system isn't |
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| 21:32.28 | Wyzard | so you have a version of initramfs-tools from years ago that nobody else uses anymore |
| 21:32.35 | kingsley | simonlnu: However, I am interested in its results, and it has been my experience that upgrading by entire distros like "stable" is not a panacea either. |
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| 21:33.40 | simonlnu | no one said it was a panacea. what people are saying is that the software in the particular version is *meant* to work *together*. mix'n'match like that can cause issues. |
| 21:33.40 | Wyzard | stable releases are *tested* |
| 21:33.46 | simonlnu | exactly |
| 21:34.03 | simonlnu | tested til the testers are blue in the face |
| 21:34.11 | kingsley | Wyzard: If you happen to have the time, and are so inclined, I'd be interested to see how you administer debian versions. |
| 21:34.57 | Wyzard | On my sid systems, I do an aptitude full-upgrade every day |
| 21:35.05 | kingsley | Ha! |
| 21:35.08 | simonlnu | (i.e. the rc bug count goes down ;p) |
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| 21:35.18 | Wyzard | On my stable systems, I check the list of security advisories on the debian.org homepage, and upgrade when I see one that affects me |
| 21:35.28 | SparFux | What is the recommended java environment in debian? |
| 21:35.45 | babilen | SparFux: Default is openjdk -- /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:35.48 | simonlnu | i run an update every day, then install if it affects the system |
| 21:35.49 | dvs | SparFux: The default is openjdk |
| 21:36.00 | pipeline | SparFux: openjdk is a very fine choice, unlike the previous default of gcj |
| 21:36.09 | kingsley | Wyzard: At the risk of appearing rude, I need to go soon. |
| 21:36.26 | Wyzard | kingsley: Bear in mind that just about everyone here is running either a stable release, up-to-date testing, or up-to-date unstable |
| 21:36.59 | simonlnu | or a combo on various different systems |
| 21:37.02 | babilen | Wyzard: You might be interested in joining #debian-next (oftc) |
| 21:37.28 | kingsley | Wyzard: First, though, I'd like to acknowledge and express my gratitude for you patiently explaining your thoughts on building a network bridge. |
| 21:37.32 | Wyzard | If you want to do an experiment and run your systems in a strange way where packages are out-of-date, you're free to do that, but when you come here asking for help with your weird setup, you inconvenience others |
| 21:37.38 | simonlnu | we do it this way because it *works* |
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| 21:38.13 | simonlnu | why do something when it doesn't work right? |
| 21:39.06 | simonlnu | as for security, i'm subbed to d-s-a |
| 21:39.07 | kingsley | It seems to me that knowing the limits of debian's dependencies and package management strategy is also good to know, but of course you're free to disagree and ignore me. |
| 21:39.34 | Wyzard | kingsley: Is your goal to find all the strange things you can do with apt, or to have a working, secure computer? |
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| 21:40.34 | SparFux | I have to say I have problem as soon as java is used. I have only openjdk-6 installed. Well, I will try openjdk-7 now. Last problem was, my computer was very slow, because - as top revealed - java was pulling 60% cpu power at load av of 5 |
| 21:41.15 | simonlnu | that's java for you :P. nah, j/k |
| 21:41.28 | Wyzard | babilen: I know about #debian-next btw, but I don't spend much time on OFTC (though I'm in #debian there) |
| 21:41.34 | kingsley | Wyzard: One of my goals is to compare the real world implications of Debian's fine grained package dependencies to upgrading everything. |
| 21:41.53 | babilen | Wyzard: ack :) |
| 21:42.48 | Wyzard | babilen: I guess I still think of freenode as the "main" IRC network, and OFTC as a spinoff, though I rarely spend time in any other channels here, so maybe I should just switch |
| 21:42.50 | kingsley | Wyzard: It seems to me that Debian's fine grained package management is a very clever, and I'm exploring how well it works in real life. |
| 21:43.16 | kingsley | s/ a / / |
| 21:43.37 | babilen | Wyzard: It is fine to hang out in both -- just another channel. But I can understand your sentiment and just wanted to spread the word among sidolites. |
| 21:43.40 | Wyzard | kingsley: Dependency-based packaging isn't unique to Debian; any RPM-based system works that way too |
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| 21:44.31 | gionnico | hi |
| 21:44.33 | kingsley | Wyzard: Yes, I agree, although I recall that Debian was ahead of Red Hat when I started the experiment in 1996. |
| 21:44.35 | Wyzard | kingsley: but it's not intended to be a clever way to let people run strange mixtures of out-of-date packages |
| 21:44.55 | gionnico | i'm installing debian. i see that i can't "keep " a partition anymore |
| 21:44.56 | kingsley | has to go... |
| 21:44.58 | gionnico | (without format) |
| 21:45.26 | Wyzard | kingsley: Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should :-) |
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| 21:45.33 | babilen | 96? |
| 21:45.42 | Wyzard | babilen: He said he's had this install for 15 years |
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| 21:46.09 | Wyzard | I suggested reinstalling to get rid of outdated cruft (like modutils aliases that have been superseded by udev) |
| 21:46.09 | babilen | sure |
| 21:46.12 | gionnico | i haven't been installing debian for 8 years |
| 21:46.21 | Michalxo | hello! Is there a way to download sid/testing iso image? (live would be the best) |
| 21:47.07 | gionnico | is it possible to manually format a disk (using mkfs) then just telling the installer to use that partition (so no format again) ?? |
| 21:47.10 | Wyzard | Michalxo: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ has daily snapshots of the installer, that are probably (I haven't checked lately) configured to use testing sources by default |
| 21:47.35 | Michalxo | thank you Wyzard ;) |
| 21:47.36 | gionnico | 'cause i dont want "ext3 with journal" nor "ext4 with journal" nor "ext2 w/o journal" nor "xfs" nor "reiserfs" nor any option available |
| 21:47.39 | gionnico | i want a custom format |
| 21:47.44 | babilen | Michalxo: No live images and if you want to install it the recommended way (actually not recommended at all) is to install stable and upgrade. Please read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
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| 21:47.57 | Wyzard | Michalxo: but there's no official installer for testing or unstable |
| 21:48.04 | kent\n | www.debian.org is inaccessable from .nz today, DNS seems broken, I can get an IP with a deep dig, but um, yeah, everything else -> Cant resolve www.debian.org |
| 21:48.17 | Michalxo | on stable, my wireless is not working... and I don't have here stable cable connection.. |
| 21:48.36 | gionnico | i've choosen expert install, but in the "format disk -> manually" page there isn't a "no format but use as /" |
| 21:48.46 | Wyzard | gionnico: The partitioner should recognize any existing filesystems, though I've never tried it with filesystem types that aren't in the list |
| 21:49.03 | babilen | Michalxo: You could try a newer kernel from backports -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel -- But there is little we can do without further information. Which wireless adaptor do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
| 21:49.06 | gionnico | Wyzard: the problem is i can't set how to use the partition |
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| 21:49.14 | gionnico | like use as / root or use as /boot |
| 21:49.30 | Wyzard | gionnico: I guess that means it doesn't recognize that kind of filesystem |
| 21:49.33 | gionnico | because if i dont tell the partitioner to re-format it wont allow me to set use as / etc. |
| 21:49.39 | guylhem | hello - is it possible with the default initrd to boot on a local kernel but mount root from nfs? I have only 2 machines, I don't really want to do a pxe + tftp netboot for just a network card module, nfs mount and pivot root |
| 21:49.42 | gionnico | Wyzard: no it's ext |
| 21:49.42 | babilen | kent\n: Could you try specifying a different DNS server (e.g. 8.8.8.8 or 4.2.2.4) and test it with those? |
| 21:49.50 | Wyzard | ext1? |
| 21:49.56 | gionnico | why this worked in debian 3 and doesnt in debian 6 |
| 21:49.59 | gionnico | i hate this |
| 21:50.07 | gionnico | go install ubuntu |
| 21:50.09 | babilen | gionnico: relax :) |
| 21:50.16 | Wyzard | Why do you want to install a new Debian using an ancient filesystem? |
| 21:50.23 | Michalxo | babilen: it's working on this laptop, you was the one who was helping me... but my laptop wakes up 3mins... and wifi drivers have to be restarted... and I am fed up with that.. |
| 21:50.24 | gionnico | Wyzard: no ext4 i meant |
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| 21:50.36 | Michalxo | babilen: it was that rtl8192ce drivers.. |
| 21:50.37 | gionnico | but i want ext4 without journal and i haven't this choice |
| 21:50.46 | ompaul | kent\n: dig @4.4.4.4 www.debian.org |
| 21:50.54 | pipeline | etx4 without ext4 isn't ext4 |
| 21:51.02 | ompaul | gionnico: ehh ext4 without journal is ext2 |
| 21:51.05 | pipeline | err ext4 without a journal is basically ext2 |
| 21:51.05 | guylhem | my alternative is to boot from a usb key then in rc.local mount the nfs and pivot_root but that seems overkill |
| 21:51.14 | gionnico | pipeline: no that worked for ext3. ext4 is actually different not only in journal |
| 21:51.18 | Wyzard | ext4 is suported by the installer |
| 21:51.30 | gionnico | ompaul: same as pipeline. |
| 21:51.52 | gionnico | Wyzard: not only, I want to choose -O^ext_attr,^extra_isize -i inode_ratio |
| 21:52.00 | kent\n | ompaul, babilen those dns servers work, just its broken here in NZ. |
| 21:52.02 | babilen | Michalxo: right, that marvellous piece of technology -- I don't think you'll get better results with testing or sid as the kernel in use is the same with testing. The drivers (as we realised) are just not working that fine as others due to being so new. (among other things) |
| 21:52.07 | gionnico | the auto partitioner only make a raw filesystem, not a fine tuned one |
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| 21:52.30 | gionnico | and the bad is i can make the fine tuned filesystem but the partitioner wont allow me to set its mountpoint |
| 21:52.30 | babilen | kent\n: Could you try other nameservers in NZ? It might just be that your ISP has problems. |
| 21:52.36 | Wyzard | gionnico: That basically amounts to ext3 |
| 21:52.36 | gionnico | so it wont let me go on with installation |
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| 21:52.46 | Michalxo | babilen: I've heard from BUG guy - Ben hutchinson(?) that I could try linux3-0 |
| 21:53.02 | gionnico | Wyzard: inode_ratio amounts to nothing, it's custom |
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| 21:53.57 | gionnico | very different. if you press "F1 for help" the partitioner show "letter f" means volume will be formatted. "F" will be formatted again "k" data kept (must be empty) |
| 21:53.59 | babilen | Michalxo: That would be worth a try (in particular if Ben suggests it) -- /msg dpkg kp -- But you have to compile 3.0 yourself. (Not sure if a 3.0 package is in experimental though, let me check) |
| 21:54.00 | kent\n | babilen: could be, will check. |
| 21:54.12 | gionnico | well but there's not way to have "k" flag anymore. i can't use cfdisk anymore |
| 21:54.26 | gionnico | cfdisk isn't even in the busybox |
| 21:54.30 | kent\n | babilen: refernce; On TelstraClear , so it could be one of our servers caching it wrong. |
| 21:55.07 | Wyzard | gionnico: I'm concerned about the -O^ext_attr,^extra_isize though |
| 21:55.18 | babilen | That could also be the case, it is definetely due to your DNS setup. You could also play around with dig (trace, different nameservers) to gather data points. |
| 21:55.32 | Wyzard | gionnico: If you create a normal ext3/4 filesystem manually, the installer should recognize it, even if it was created with a custom inode ratio |
| 21:55.45 | Michalxo | babilen: here's bug number 628670 |
| 21:55.58 | Wyzard | gionnico: but ext_attr and extra_isize aren't even mentioned in the mkfs.ext4 manpage as feature flags that can be disabled |
| 21:55.59 | babilen | Michalxo: Thank you, much appreciated. |
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| 21:56.51 | gionnico | Wyzard: they are under -O options |
| 21:56.53 | SparFux | Unfortunately it appears there is no web plugin for openjdk 7 so far :-( |
| 21:56.54 | Michalxo | babilen: and yes, I am using 0,.30 firmware-realtek drivers :-( |
| 21:57.01 | babilen | Michalxo: IIRC I mentioned the firmware-realtek package a couple of times. |
| 21:57.12 | gionnico | ^ means negate. anyways this system from which i'm writing has those features (disabled) |
| 21:57.18 | Michalxo | babilen: I was using 0.29 :-D |
| 21:57.21 | gionnico | ^extra_isize but i also use -I 128 |
| 21:57.36 | Wyzard | gionnico: I do "man mkfs.ext4" and then search for the strings "ext_attr" and "extra_isize", and neither is found anywhere |
| 21:57.38 | gionnico | anyways 128 is default for "small" that is the default choice |
| 21:57.46 | babilen | Michalxo: But you are using 0.30 now? |
| 21:58.14 | Wyzard | gionnico: The default number of inodes is proportional to the size of the filesystem -- my /boot is 100MB and has 48192 inodes |
| 21:58.34 | gionnico | Wyzard: -i option is to personalize that ratio |
| 21:58.42 | carnage777999 | 100 vs 50,000 |
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| 21:58.49 | Michalxo | babilen: yes... did not help .. same problems :-( plus I got that two "random" freezes... just BEEP, and done.. all has frozen |
| 21:58.54 | gionnico | in my 100MB boot i have 280 files+dirs |
| 21:58.56 | Wyzard | gionnico: I'm wondering why you need to |
| 21:59.10 | gionnico | Wyzard: its a waste of table space |
| 21:59.18 | gionnico | and will also reduce available space |
| 21:59.24 | Michalxo | babilen: that happened with 0.29 fw-realtek |
| 21:59.44 | ompaul | gionnico: but 2000 inodes is not a big number |
| 21:59.48 | gionnico | Wyzard: the problem is not with "non standard options". the problem is you can't set mountpoint for pre-formatted partitions |
| 21:59.58 | Wyzard | gionnico: well, 250000 is rather large for a 100MB filesystem |
| 22:00.00 | carnage777999 | the new google address is ipv4.google.com |
| 22:00.10 | babilen | Michalxo: Well, I trust Ben on this one. You could try with the 3.0-rc1 kernel, but you'll have to compile it yourself. Ben noted that 3.0 packages will be uploaded soonish (in the next few days) |
| 22:00.21 | gionnico | ompaul: 2000 is what i would want to set. Wyzard it's 150MB anyways. 100MB is in the system that i'm writing |
| 22:00.25 | Wyzard | gionnico: I just created a 100MB ext4 yesterday and got 32768 inodes |
| 22:00.46 | carnage777999 | 150 vs 75,000 |
| 22:00.49 | Michalxo | babilen: ok, thank you, I can surely wait few days :-) |
| 22:00.56 | wols | Wyzard: hopefully you don't run out of inodes on that partition! |
| 22:00.59 | babilen | Michalxo: I mean upgrading to testing/sid certainly *is* an option, but it will not help much *right now* with this particular problem. You will also encounter other problems ... |
| 22:01.18 | gionnico | wols: pysically impossible. |
| 22:01.31 | Wyzard | gionnico: so I don't know why you're getting such a huge number of inodes by default, but with a sane inode count like 32768, the space usage is negligible -- not worth going out of your way to customize |
| 22:01.38 | babilen | Michalxo: Note that installing the kernel package from other Debian releases is typically safe and does not cause much trouble. |
| 22:01.41 | Michalxo | yes, I have prepared other partitions for that :-) |
| 22:02.02 | gionnico | Wyzard: but ^has_journal is not negligible. for my SSD disk that will break if i write too much |
| 22:02.12 | Wyzard | then use ext2 |
| 22:02.12 | gionnico | and ext2 is not the same |
| 22:02.24 | Michalxo | babilen: ^^^^ , and I am definitely not going to break this "working" system :) |
| 22:02.36 | gionnico | delayed allocation. lovely for a ssd |
| 22:02.43 | babilen | Michalxo: Good choice :) |
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| 22:03.04 | gionnico | and extents |
| 22:03.35 | carnage777999 | which desktop environment you people use? |
| 22:03.37 | gionnico | and persistent pre-allocation |
| 22:03.48 | Wyzard | Delayed allocation makes sense, though you don't really need extents for /boot |
| 22:03.57 | gionnico | Wyzard: i want to do the same for / |
| 22:04.30 | gionnico | pre-allocation makes sense for /boot where you often delete/replace |
| 22:04.30 | Michalxo | babilen: one more question... when could be a good time to try that out? A week? Two or three? |
| 22:04.46 | gionnico | Wyzard: can't i "manually" set the mountpoint? |
| 22:05.01 | gionnico | what is the file that is written by the auto configure tool? so that i can go to the "install system" stage |
| 22:05.01 | babilen | Michalxo: What exactly? |
| 22:05.07 | Wyzard | gionnico: Looks like 2.6.29 added the possibility to use ext4 without a journal, but from the wording it sounds like it may be a mount option, not a mkfs option |
| 22:05.12 | gionnico | without it complaining because i didnt set a / mount point |
| 22:05.17 | Wyzard | gionnico: (e.g. there's a journal inode, but it's left unused) |
| 22:05.22 | Michalxo | babilen: linux-3.0 in repos.. |
| 22:05.37 | gionnico | Wyzard: it's also mount option but not the same: if formatted, i'll also save the space |
| 22:05.44 | Michalxo | babilen: and try unstable debian |
| 22:05.45 | gionnico | Wyzard:exactly |
| 22:05.52 | gionnico | i dont want compromises |
| 22:06.06 | Wyzard | gionnico: looks like you'd want to mount with data=ordered or data=writeback |
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| 22:06.47 | Wyzard | gionnico: Are you really so short on disk space that you need to inconvenience yourself to spare a megabyte or two on a journal inode? |
| 22:06.51 | gionnico | Wyzard: there's no data= parameter if you dont have journal |
| 22:07.14 | babilen | Michalxo: Well, you can "upgrade" to sid anytime you like (but make sure you read the FAQ) it requires much more time for maintainence and you'll run into (sometimes horrible) bugs. |
| 22:07.16 | gionnico | Wyzard: it's not only disk space (only 8 gb the whole), also i'm a perfectionist |
| 22:07.35 | Michalxo | babilen: I had sid on my older laptop :-) until GPU died :) |
| 22:07.36 | gionnico | isn't there a temp file used? |
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| 22:08.07 | babilen | Michalxo: You can try the kernel right now (self-compiled) or just wait until it hits experimental -- but note that probably a bunch of buggy scripts might have problems with it because they assume a certain version number that is changed now. |
| 22:08.23 | gionnico | Wyzard: once there was option "ext2, ext3, dont use partition, use as is" .. use as is seems disappeared. |
| 22:08.25 | Wyzard | gionnico: Choose ext4 in the installer in the normal way, install, then edit /etc/fstab and add data=ordered |
| 22:08.38 | gionnico | ill try |
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| 22:09.07 | Michalxo | babilen: ok, I'll keep an eye on experimental ;-) thank you so far ;) seen you next time with solving my problems :-D Good night and thanks! :-) |
| 22:09.10 | Wyzard | It's not worth bending over backward to save a few megabytes on inode tables and a journal |
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| 22:09.21 | babilen | Michalxo: good night |
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| 22:11.38 | gionnico_ | back.. battery died |
| 22:13.44 | Wyzard | gionnico_: looks like I'm wrong about using data=ordered, that just disables data journaling, not metadata journaling |
| 22:13.51 | s1m | in which source ' Equinox ' packaed ? |
| 22:14.02 | Wyzard | gionnico_: Do "tune2fs -O ^has_hournal" on the partition after you're done installing |
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| 22:14.58 | Wyzard | err, ^has_journal |
| 22:17.54 | kent\n | bah. I hate dns. |
| 22:18.24 | babilen | hmm? |
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| 22:24.39 | flamingspinach | is autofs5 still considered "experimental"? |
| 22:25.16 | gionnico_ | Wyzard: i see. i'll umount /target then tune, then remount |
| 22:25.28 | gionnico_ | i cant change inode-size but much options i can |
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| 22:26.11 | kent\n | seems its ISP's fault. Oh well. |
| 22:26.28 | kent\n | tracking down points of failure sucks :( |
| 22:26.48 | babilen | kent\n: Well, at least you know who is to blame now. |
| 22:26.50 | gionnico_ | Wyzard: i see busybox doesnt have "du" nor "lsof" .. i think they're important tools for install especially |
| 22:26.57 | gionnico_ | i should file bug reports |
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| 22:27.04 | Wyzard | gionnico_: You could just do it after installing; a little journal usage during the installation won't kill the SSD |
| 22:27.06 | K1ng | i need help with corn tab |
| 22:27.20 | K1ng | how do i run a script every 30 sec? |
| 22:27.34 | kent\n | just tend to complain to the opensource people, because at least then you know somebody will look at the problem if they even suspect its theirs =p |
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| 22:27.51 | K1ng | */30 * * * * ? |
| 22:27.52 | kent\n | $ISPs, blegh, some days yelling at a sock is more productive. |
| 22:28.06 | babilen | kent\n: heh |
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| 22:28.18 | abdelkhalak | K1ng: get the abs-guide from oldstable :( |
| 22:28.47 | abdelkhalak | K1ng: advanced script guide |
| 22:28.53 | Wyzard | gionnico_: or you could mkfs the filesystem manually and just don't use any weird options like ^ext_attr |
| 22:29.04 | K1ng | abdelkhalak, sorry? |
| 22:29.04 | abdelkhalak | K1ng: a good guide about scripting |
| 22:29.18 | Wyzard | gionnico_: The installer should recognize a valid ext4 filesystem and let you choose where to mount it without reformatting it |
| 22:29.25 | abdelkhalak | K1ng: just like I said |
| 22:29.26 | Wyzard | gionnico_: I did it a few weeks ago while installing squeeze |
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| 22:31.14 | gionnico_ | Wyzard: weird i even choose expert insall because graphic normal install will remove mountpoint LINE if you choose "dont use this partition" |
| 22:31.30 | gionnico_ | that is last line of "format partition as: " |
| 22:31.31 | s1m | could someone kindly look at my sources.list and see if something wrong in it , to bad i can not use pastebin services due to an issue with my ISP. i may /query thou |
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| 22:32.12 | gionnico_ | there's not option like format as: do not format (but use). there is use as LVM, use as crypted LVM, i dont see how to set a mountpoint for a valid preformatted filesystem |
| 22:32.22 | Wyzard | gionnico_: IIRC, you should choose "use as: ext4" and if it's already ext4, you can specify "format: no" below |
| 22:32.36 | gionnico_ | Wyzard: O_O |
| 22:32.41 | Wyzard | gionnico_: "don't use" really means don't use |
| 22:32.50 | gionnico_ | goes back to format step |
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| 22:33.13 | boudiccas | s1m; where is your sources list? |
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| 22:34.16 | s1m | boudiccas: may i post it in /query |
| 22:34.58 | boudiccas | go to channel #locksz on this server nad post it there |
| 22:35.17 | s1m | Alright. |
| 22:35.30 | s1m | j/ #locksz |
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| 22:41.28 | SparFux | hehehe, java always crashes my iceweasel, it's amazing. |
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| 22:41.46 | carnage777999 | why would you use iceweasel |
| 22:42.30 | babilen | carnage777999: The need for a browser comes to mind as a reason. |
| 22:42.38 | carnage777999 | axthon? |
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| 22:43.53 | SparFux | carnage777999: you saying, java only crashes with iceweasel? |
| 22:44.13 | carnage777999 | java and flash crash with everything |
| 22:44.24 | carnage777999 | plenty of browsers to try |
| 22:44.33 | gionnico | Wyzard: there's no no-format option -_- i dont know if it's because it doesnt want a ext4 without journal |
| 22:44.58 | gionnico | i also tried with ext2 but there's no no format. maybe because it doesnt recognize it as a ext2 since it isnt |
| 22:46.46 | SparFux | "blah blah, your java version might be too old. click here to test java version." you click there and get a frozen iceweasel, even on restart, have to be fast enough to close the darn java tab :-) |
| 22:47.47 | chrissbx | gnarface, Woet or anyone else who might be interested or not: I've now written a fast random source for dmcrypt image generation, see https://github.com/pflanze/fastrandom ; feel free to point out any cryptographic weaknesses |
| 22:47.57 | carnage777999 | try downloading Arora |
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| 22:48.13 | carnage777999 | or opera |
| 22:50.00 | SparFux | I better just avoid java. |
| 22:51.04 | carnage777999 | or seahorse |
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| 22:54.38 | Boltsky | I just tried installing gnupg-agent and it wants to pull in a bunch of X and gtk2 related packages, even though gnupg-agent depends on (pinentry-gtk2 | pinentry-ncurses | pinentry) |
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| 22:55.27 | Boltsky | is there a good way to tell apt-get/aptitude that I'm running a server and not a desktop, and that it should always go with text-based things? |
| 22:55.29 | gionnico | Wyzard: I FOOLED THE INSTALL WIZARD SYSTEM |
| 22:56.15 | gionnico | i said the wizard partitioner: format as ext4. then said "import data from .." (fake, its all empty), then it asked me: format or keep? i said keep |
| 22:56.26 | gionnico | then i gone to shell and mkfs.ext4 -O^has_journal |
| 22:57.36 | gionnico | the partitioner didnt see my change and started copying system files (installation stage) to MY ext4 w/o journal. it thinks it's HIS filesystem (with journal) but tune2fs shown that it really "kept" the filesystem that I created AFTER "importing (fake) data from another filesystem" |
| 22:58.02 | gionnico | gionnico 1-0 debian |
| 22:59.10 | gionnico | Boltsky: what do you mean with "should go with text-based" ? |
| 22:59.36 | gionnico | Boltsky: wait a minute |
| 22:59.47 | Boltsky | gnupg-agent had a choice between pinentry-gtk2 and pinentry-curses |
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| 23:00.11 | gionnico | ahh ok. i thought you were talking of an install dependency |
| 23:00.26 | Boltsky | gtk2 had 33 dependencies, curses had 0 |
| 23:00.50 | gionnico | sure. i dont think there's such an option. you should install pinentry-curses before gnupg-agent.. |
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| 23:01.50 | Boltsky | that's what I ended up doing, but debian always wants to go with the "install more dependencies" route |
| 23:02.07 | Boltsky | and it's starting to get annoying |
| 23:02.57 | s1m | from which source i can obtain ' pasetbinit , equinox engine '. |
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| 23:13.42 | gionnico | Boltsky: i think its not "install more deps policy" but just in-order and gnupg-agent package has pinentry dependencies like this (pinentry-gtk2 | pinentry-ncurses | pinentry) |
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| 23:14.23 | gionnico | probably because "most users" will prefer graphic pinentry and most easy to do is just install the graphic version |
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| 23:15.18 | gionnico | s1m: pastebinit (1.2-1) experimental |
| 23:15.26 | JordiGH | What's the easiest way to encrypt an external drive? |
| 23:15.30 | Boltsky | if I were to blacklist, say, libgtk2.0, would that make it try pinentry-curses instead? |
| 23:15.40 | JordiGH | I just bought an external HD; I want to encrypt it. |
| 23:15.41 | Boltsky | as in, blacklist a dependency of pinentry-gtk2 |
| 23:15.48 | JordiGH | And wipe all the Windows crap in it. |
| 23:16.17 | gionnico | s1m: http://www.google.it/search?q=equinox+engine+deb&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 23:16.21 | s1m | gionnico: okay , that means i most add the ' experimental ' source to the list. |
| 23:16.48 | streuner_ | JordiGH: what kind of data is there? |
| 23:16.54 | streuner_ | pr0n? :-) |
| 23:17.03 | JordiGH | streuner_: Yes, homemade, if you must know. |
| 23:17.04 | gionnico | JordiGH: for the wipe part: shred -n1 /dev/drive |
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| 23:17.23 | gionnico | JordiGH: for encrypt i'd use dmcrypt |
| 23:17.27 | Wyzard | JordiGH: It's not necessarily "easy", but you can do "cryptsetup luksFormat" on it, then "cryptsetup luksOpen" it to get a plaintext device in /dev/mapper, make a filesystem on it, then "cryptsetup luksClose" it |
| 23:17.30 | JordiGH | dmcrypt is... well... cryptic. |
| 23:17.40 | gionnico | luks probably will help you with key management |
| 23:17.45 | JordiGH | I wish I could use whatever interface d-i uses. |
| 23:17.58 | gionnico | still quite safe. masterkey is in-disk, but encrypted with your password |
| 23:17.59 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Once you have a dm-crypt device with a filesystem on it, you can mount it relatively easily from GNOME (and probably KDE too) |
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| 23:18.24 | JordiGH | Wyzard: I know, I've seen Gnome do that. I just want to encrypt it as easily as I encrypted the main hd during installation. |
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| 23:18.31 | JordiGH | Does such a thing exist, or is it time to dive into manpages? |
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| 23:18.55 | Wyzard | Not that I know of, but I just outlined the steps you'd get from reading manpages |
| 23:19.13 | JordiGH | Well, I'd like to also setup LVM in it. |
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| 23:19.50 | JordiGH | Maybe I can just trick d-i to attempt to install Debian to the external hd and stop the installation after the encryption step. |
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| 23:20.00 | s1m | gionnico: ty M:-). |
| 23:20.16 | gionnico | s1m: you're welcome |
| 23:20.17 | JordiGH | M:-) looks like an Emacs command. |
| 23:20.17 | streuner_ | JordiGH: the point is really, is the data really that important... |
| 23:20.22 | Wyzard | then you can run pvcreate on the plaintext device instead of making a filesystem directly, but I think that confuses udisks so you may not be able to use the convenient GNOME mounting |
| 23:20.30 | JordiGH | streuner_: Data is always important. |
| 23:20.35 | gionnico | JordiGH: tell emacs :-@ |
| 23:20.51 | gionnico | and it will be mad at you, it wont allow you to write anything anymore |
| 23:20.54 | s1m | When i update the source list with apr-get update i get a snipt ' W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.gb.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/i18n/Translation-en_GB.bz2 Could not resolve 'ftp.gb.debian.org' |
| 23:21.15 | Wyzard | I have a setup like that -- LVM on dm-crypt on md-raid -- and in GNOME I get a button showing it as an unrecognized, not-mounted drive |
| 23:21.22 | streuner_ | JordiGH: data could be everything, but for most people it isnt, IMO |
| 23:21.23 | Wyzard | even though it's mounted and the system is running from it |
| 23:21.35 | JordiGH | streuner_: Most people don't know it's valuable until its value is apparent. |
| 23:21.42 | gionnico | JordiGH: uhm you dont need debian installer, just a live system with dmcrypt kernel module and cryptsetup |
| 23:22.04 | JordiGH | gionnico: I want d-i's pretty interface for encrypting it. But fine, I'll read about how cryptsetup works. |
| 23:22.24 | JordiGH | And how LVM works. |
| 23:22.24 | JordiGH | An |
| 23:22.27 | JordiGH | And wtf LUKS is. |
| 23:22.35 | JordiGH | I was hoping I could avoid learning something. |
| 23:22.52 | streuner_ | JordiGH: well, ask yourself, what kind of data could be important for someone else... |
| 23:22.55 | Wyzard | If you don't want to learn, you've come to the wrong place ;-) |
| 23:22.58 | gionnico | linux unified key system |
| 23:22.59 | JordiGH | streuner_: Stop. |
| 23:23.00 | gionnico | or so.. |
| 23:23.19 | JordiGH | gionnico: I know what the acronym means. |
| 23:23.36 | gionnico | JordiGH: this is not enough to learn how it works |
| 23:23.40 | JordiGH | Wyzard: I was hoping something similar to gparted could do it, but I guess it can't. |
| 23:23.58 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Even if you had it set up for you automatically, it's valuable to know how it works "manually" |
| 23:24.01 | gionnico | uhm it's quite simple (well LVM is not so simple) |
| 23:24.12 | streuner_ | JordiGH: that's the main question if you want encrypt data, IMO |
| 23:24.14 | JordiGH | Wyzard: No, it really isn't. |
| 23:24.17 | gionnico | but cryptsetup is as simple as format & mount |
| 23:24.20 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Consider what you'd do if you need to get to the data from a liveCD environment, because your system is unbootable for some reason |
| 23:24.22 | JordiGH | streuner_: I asked you to stop, please. |
| 23:24.49 | JordiGH | Wyzard: I haven't seen modern livecds that can't decrypt hard drives. |
| 23:24.50 | gionnico | JordiGH: cat /dev/yourdisk | mail streuner_ |
| 23:25.01 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:25.03 | gionnico | if it was important it isn't anymore so you wont need to encrypt. problem solved |
| 23:25.11 | Wyzard | JordiGH: How about the shell prompt on the Debian rescue CD? |
| 23:25.20 | JordiGH | Wyzard: That can do it. |
| 23:26.05 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Yes, with appropriate commands, but you have to know what those commands are -- that's what I meant about it being valuable to understand how the setup works |
| 23:26.36 | JordiGH | Wyzard: In that case, I can delay learning this. Or I could have, if gparted could have encrypted it for me. |
| 23:27.15 | gionnico | why do debian install "popularity-contest" package? I said I dont want to partecipate! |
| 23:27.21 | Wyzard | streuner_: Without disk encryption, you have to worry about whether you have any important exposed data; with encryption, you don't have to worry about it, so it doesn't really matter whether the data is important or not |
| 23:27.50 | streuner_ | that's true too |
| 23:28.23 | gionnico | JordiGH: it's as simple as cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/device; cryptsetup luksOpen name /dev/device; mount /dev/mapper/name |
| 23:28.24 | Wyzard | streuner_: I ordered a new laptop recently, and I upgraded the CPU to one that supports AES-NI, specifically so I can do full-disk encryption efficiently |
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| 23:28.33 | streuner_ | Wyzard: but you have to ask yourself, WHO is interested at all about YOUR data |
| 23:28.36 | gionnico | then umount /dev/mapper/name; cryptsetup luksClose name; halt |
| 23:28.37 | ws2k33 | hello guys i was wandering if there is any linux software to make a linux grid? |
| 23:28.37 | JordiGH | gionnico: There's also the LVM setup. |
| 23:28.54 | JordiGH | ws2k33: There's tons. Rocks is a distribution for clusters. |
| 23:28.55 | gionnico | JordiGH: if you already know LVM just do LVM on top of /dev/mapper/name |
| 23:29.03 | JordiGH | gionnico: I don't already know LVM. |
| 23:29.03 | streuner_ | Wyzard: it makes sense with a laptop, sure... |
| 23:29.17 | ws2k33 | and can i run any software in it |
| 23:29.19 | JordiGH | streuner_: Someone is always interested. |
| 23:29.23 | ws2k33 | that also can run on a normaly debian machine? |
| 23:29.28 | JordiGH | streuner_: It's impossible to predict who. |
| 23:29.41 | ws2k33 | the goal i wanne acchive is that when one of the debian machines go down. the software stays running |
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| 23:29.58 | ws2k33 | so if people connect to the server. and it goed down they will be moved to another server? |
| 23:30.01 | gionnico | Wyzard: only intel core i3-i5-i7 do, right? |
| 23:30.05 | JordiGH | ws2k33: Any software? No, you can't run Apple iSoftware in it. |
| 23:30.06 | ws2k33 | can this be done with cluster/grid on debian? |
| 23:30.12 | Wyzard | gionnico: mid-range i5 and up |
| 23:30.14 | ws2k33 | just servers |
| 23:30.22 | ws2k33 | server program |
| 23:30.36 | ws2k33 | they only hold connections with clients and make some ram/proc useage |
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| 23:30.50 | Wyzard | gionnico: specifically, i5-2520m and higher models |
| 23:31.00 | Wyzard | (in the Sandy Bridge mobile series at least) |
| 23:31.07 | gionnico | Wyzard: anyways disk encryption shouldnt show the system down ever |
| 23:31.11 | JordiGH | Boo, Sandy Bridge, hardware DRM. |
| 23:31.17 | gionnico | since CPU is always way faster than the hard disk |
| 23:31.18 | JordiGH | Don't buy that crap. |
| 23:31.34 | guylhem | how come the normal kernel+initrd can't boot on a nfs-root image in squeeze ?? http://www.ordinoscope.net/index.php/Informatique/Thèmes/PXE/Recettes/Debian_-_rescue_on_NFS show it for lenny |
| 23:31.39 | Wyzard | gionnico: You'd be surprised -- on my old laptop (1.7GHz Pentium M), the CPU is the bottleneck on heavy disk I/O, due to the crypto |
| 23:31.56 | gionnico | Wyzard: do you have 10000RPM RAID 0 disk setup?? |
| 23:32.23 | Wyzard | gionnico: no, a five-year-old 80GB laptop hard drive, probably 5400rpm |
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| 23:32.49 | JordiGH | wonders how long "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb" will take on a 500 gig drive. |
| 23:33.16 | Wyzard | I wiped a 2TB drive yesterday and it took a little over 5 hours IIRC |
| 23:33.20 | gionnico | JordiGH: well AES is much faster than urandom.. isnt it? |
| 23:33.32 | gionnico | (regardless of the AES-NI opcode..) |
| 23:33.35 | Wyzard | That was using ATA secure erase, not dd |
| 23:33.36 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 23:33.38 | JordiGH | Much faster? |
| 23:33.45 | Wyzard | If you use dd, specify a block size larger than the default 512 bytes |
| 23:34.07 | Wyzard | I'd expect AES to be slower than urandom |
| 23:34.14 | gionnico | JordiGH: generating random data is the hardest task for a computer! |
| 23:34.19 | Wyzard | /dev/random would be different, of course |
| 23:34.34 | Wyzard | gionnico: Do you know the difference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom? |
| 23:35.12 | streuner_ | dpkg, urandom |
| 23:35.12 | dpkg | no idea, streuner_ |
| 23:35.22 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals urandom |
| 23:35.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'urandom' by value (7): how do i hack root ;; isapnp sound woody #del# ;; dezwart #del# ;; fork bomb ;; CMD: nenosmite2 (.*?) ;; CMD: nenosmite (.*?) ;; windows emulation #del#. |
| 23:35.44 | gionnico | how do i hack root? with urandom! sure |
| 23:35.59 | streuner_ | dpkg, how do i hack root |
| 23:35.59 | dpkg | 0WnZ root and steals all of the p0rn on the hard drive. |
| 23:36.08 | gionnico | login password: $(cat /dev/urandom) |
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| 23:36.16 | gionnico | ;) |
| 23:36.30 | gionnico | just wait some billion years |
| 23:37.21 | streuner_ | well, dpkg is usually better explain things |
| 23:37.32 | Wyzard | Speaking of /dev/random and dm-crypt, if you encrypt your swapspace using /dev/random to generate the key each time the system boots, swap contents can't be recovered after a shutdown |
| 23:37.41 | Wyzard | since the key is gone from RAM |
| 23:38.14 | gionnico | you should use urandom because /dev/random ON BOOT gets stuck after less than 32 bytes (key size) |
| 23:38.32 | gionnico | ehm at least on my headless system (and i have no way to speed up the generation) |
| 23:39.05 | Wyzard | I've had that happen before, but it's not a problem on my current system; I guess the kernel's able to gather enough additional entropy during the early boot process |
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| 23:39.21 | Wyzard | even on my router/fileserver, which uses /dev/random to produce four such keys |
| 23:39.34 | gionnico | Wyzard: is this a debian patch or init script? |
| 23:40.08 | Wyzard | just a line in /etc/crypttab that specifies /dev/random as the key file |
| 23:40.49 | Wyzard | Oh, nevermind, I have it using urandom on that machine |
| 23:40.50 | gionnico | cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize ? |
| 23:40.56 | Wyzard | but random on the one that only needs one key |
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| 23:41.46 | gionnico | then you should have cat "$urandom_seed" > /dev/urandom as soon as possible. in my system dmcrypt want to start BEFORE urandom seed.. |
| 23:41.59 | gionnico | so there isn't entropy from previous run |
| 23:42.17 | Wyzard | There's nothing particularly senstive on that machine so I'm not too concerned, but I'll try changing it to /dev/random next time I reboot it |
| 23:42.19 | gionnico | 256 bit key? |
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| 23:42.46 | Wyzard | yes |
| 23:42.59 | Wyzard | It used to run on a VIA C7 with a hardware RNG, so I was able to use /dev/random for all four keys then |
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| 23:44.07 | gionnico | Wyzard: hardware RNG probably used an algorithm similar to urandom. probably weaker |
| 23:44.18 | gionnico | or did it use nuclear decay? ;) |
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| 23:44.21 | Wyzard | The point of a hardware RNG is that it doesn't use an algorithm |
| 23:44.39 | gionnico | so nuclear decay? |
| 23:45.12 | streuner_ | Wyzard: that point includes that the encrypted data is save then, but that usually not sure at all... |
| 23:45.26 | Wyzard | nuclear decay plus other sources according to http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/padlock/hardware.jsp |
| 23:45.45 | Wyzard | oh, sorry, I misread -- not nuclear decay, that's just one of the possibilities they mention |
| 23:45.53 | Wyzard | "The frequency instabilities of multiple free running oscillators" |
| 23:47.18 | gionnico | looks quite good. not like urandom that takes (foreseeable) interrupt or signals at sampling time |
| 23:47.24 | Wyzard | I wish Intel had added something like that together with AES-NI |
| 23:48.02 | gionnico | Wyzard: intel processors are nuclear reactors they could put a random circuit |
| 23:48.07 | gionnico | kids about intel wattage |
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| 23:49.20 | Wyzard | Anyway, what I should probably do on that box now is set up a script to read one key from /dev/random (not urandom) and use it for all four swap devices |
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| 23:49.49 | Wyzard | I doubt there's any value in using a different key for each, when the point is just that the key doesn't persist across reboots |
| 23:50.03 | gionnico | Wyzard: a simple XOR from those 2 partitions would allow to get the key |
| 23:50.16 | gionnico | ok i know AES isn't so simple but this is basic encryption concepts |
| 23:50.17 | Wyzard | not with a block cipher |
| 23:50.32 | Wyzard | That's a property of stream ciphers |
| 23:50.35 | gionnico | Wyzard: is this problem completely eliminated by block cipher theory? |
| 23:50.50 | Wyzard | I believe so, though I'm not a cryptologist |
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| 23:52.43 | Wyzard | Even better would be to find some way for Xen domUs to share their dom0's swap space, so I wouldn't need four swap devices :-) |
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| 23:54.26 | gionnico | NFS mount and LVM ? |
| 23:54.41 | Wyzard | swap isn't a filesystem |
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| 23:54.50 | Wyzard | unless you mean using a swap file over NFS |
| 23:55.17 | Wyzard | but that'd still be something separate from the dom0's own swap space |
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| 23:56.30 | Wyzard | hmm... I could probably use some custom device-mapper setup to take one block device and carve it up into four smaller devices |
| 23:57.15 | Wyzard | like partitions, but without having to figure out how to make the kernel scan for a partition table on a dm-crypt plaintext device |
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| 23:57.56 | Wyzard | then I could have one random-encrypted device with one key, and give different portions of it to each VM |
| 23:58.20 | gionnico | if it was LINUX, LVM could do it |
| 23:58.29 | gionnico | i dont' know XEN .. |
| 23:58.45 | Wyzard | It's Linux -- Xen just sits between the kernel and the hardware |
| 23:59.11 | gionnico | but xen has its own swap |
| 23:59.16 | Wyzard | but since the key is chosen randomly at boot, this setup has to be re-done each time the system boots |
| 23:59.18 | Wyzard | no it doesn't |
| 23:59.52 | Wyzard | and I think doing vgcreate, pvcreate, lvcreate. every time the system boots would be weird |
