| 00:00.16 | rahul | jgh: are you trying to use lvm on removable media? |
| 00:00.20 | jgh | Yes. |
| 00:00.26 | rahul | oh, ok. bad idea :) |
| 00:00.30 | jgh | So I see. |
| 00:00.38 | rahul | indeed. carry on :) |
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| 00:15.44 | rahul | sdl can't open my mouse either |
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| 00:16.22 | Corin | Hi. I have an issue with KMix. Since I switched to testing, my volume's seemed lower and there's no real reason why it should be. Additionally, the volume adjusts in intervals of 4 OR 5, when it used to simply adjust in intervals of 5. The second issue's trivial, I know. |
| 00:16.56 | rahul | Corin: have you tried using alsamixer? |
| 00:17.07 | Corin | Yes. Yes, I have. |
| 00:17.27 | rahul | Corin: it could just be that the scales for your audio driver have been recalibrated with a newer kernel's code |
| 00:17.36 | Corin | Ah. |
| 00:17.52 | rahul | also, there is usually a master volume as well as dsp volume |
| 00:18.30 | rahul | s/dsp/pcm |
| 00:18.37 | Corin | Well, I've had similar issues in previous operating systems. |
| 00:18.53 | Corin | It seemed to fix itself, eventually. I'm unsure why/how. |
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| 00:19.56 | jgh | Hm, I wonder if there's an easy way to setup a webserver that will proxy around to get around the stupid regoin lockout of YouTube and similar sites. |
| 00:20.07 | jgh | Unless that already exists. |
| 00:20.12 | Corin | rahul: The PCM volume is set to max. |
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| 00:23.00 | Corin | Also, I didn't find anything in the alsa config file that seems as though it would help. |
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| 00:27.48 | jgh | Is there a reason to have reserved blocks on a removable hd? |
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| 00:29.49 | jgh | mke2fs manpage says I might like want it in order to avoid fragmentation. |
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| 00:38.36 | maher | somehow my locales are messed up and my filenames contain ? where they should contain things like ä - how do i fix this? |
| 00:40.18 | antiwire | did you mount it with/without UTF8 when it requires or does not require UTF8? |
| 00:41.16 | maher | antiwire: how do i check whether iys mounted with/out utf? |
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| 00:41.35 | antiwire | maher: can you look at the output of mount ? |
| 00:42.24 | stew | maher: what filesystem is this? |
| 00:42.33 | maher | ext3 |
| 00:43.00 | stew | maher: then there is no utf8 option. I'd guess it is a font problem, not a filesystem problem |
| 00:43.42 | antiwire | could be the terminal |
| 00:43.52 | maher | i can type ä just fine |
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| 00:46.44 | maher | ls -b gives me \344 instead of ä |
| 00:47.46 | maher | i'm making the files using vidir with emacs - if I use nano with vidir it seems to cope better |
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| 00:48.04 | pagan0ne | quick question if anyone can help, i have a drive i just took a image of using dd (dd if=/dev/sdd of=./drive.img) and i would like to compare the image bit by bit to the data on the drive to ensure its an accurate backup, what would be the best way to do this? |
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| 00:48.31 | pipeline | pagan0ne: md5sum, sha256sum, diff |
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| 00:50.10 | aill | anyone know of a quick way to get linux running virtualized on windows? |
| 00:50.12 | pagan0ne | pipeline, im not sure how i would input /dev/sdd into md5sum though? |
| 00:50.25 | rahul | pagan0ne: cat and pipe it |
| 00:50.39 | rahul | actually, I think you can just run it on the device |
| 00:50.48 | pagan0ne | so... cat /dev/sdd | md5sum? |
| 00:50.57 | rahul | or maybe md5sum /dev/sdd |
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| 00:51.35 | rahul | if the device sizes are different, you will get a different md5sum |
| 00:51.58 | rahul | you might need to use dd with a count to truncate what is read from the larger one |
| 00:52.21 | pagan0ne | rahul, the image isnt written to another device |
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| 00:52.42 | pagan0ne | i want to ensure the image i riped from the original drive matches the actual contents of the drive |
| 00:52.46 | rahul | pagan0ne: ah, I see. then as long as it's on a different device, it should be fine |
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| 00:53.19 | rahul | I guess that's not physically possible anyway, so please disregard :) |
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| 00:53.29 | pagan0ne | ok, ty for the insight, ill try it when the image finishes (it hasnt finished copying yet) |
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| 00:54.31 | pagan0ne | rahul, yeah i was trying to figure out how you would write a image of a drive (including blank space) to the drive your imaging, that would be a interesting hack.... |
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| 00:54.44 | rahul | :) |
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| 00:54.55 | rahul | the holy grail of computing |
| 00:55.27 | rahul | especially for sysadmins... no need to keep adding disks, just make more backups! |
| 00:55.30 | dym | pagan0ne: redirects work wonders :D |
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| 00:56.09 | rahul | related puzzle: is it faster to zip a file before copying it from a slow device or is it slower? |
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| 00:56.21 | maher | hmmm... emacs is starting with iso-latin-1-unix - why is it picking this when my locale is utf-8? |
| 00:56.26 | DammitJim | I just plugged in a usb device and after doing df, it's hung |
| 00:56.27 | rahul | and on that note, I'm going to get some mexican food made by chinese people |
| 00:56.33 | pagan0ne | rahul, why not zip it WHILE copying it from the slow device? |
| 00:56.34 | DammitJim | it doesn't want to display anything about this mounted drive |
| 00:56.37 | DammitJim | what could be wrong? |
| 00:56.40 | DammitJim | this is on squeeze |
| 00:56.58 | dym | DammitJim: maybe automount didnt work? |
| 00:57.05 | rahul | pagan0ne: because that's not a choice... you're thinking about the best way to do it already :) |
| 00:57.09 | dym | DammitJim im a doctor! |
| 00:57.10 | pagan0ne | but it would be slower to zip it to the device and then transfer it off the device than it would be to transfer it then zip it |
| 00:57.24 | rahul | we have a winner |
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| 00:57.39 | DammitJim | dym, something like that |
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| 00:57.47 | DammitJim | I mean, I can see stuff in /media/usb |
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| 00:57.58 | dym | but? |
| 00:58.02 | pagan0ne | im not dumb, i just dont use md5sum or dd often and am not 100% sure how they interact with raw /dev's and didnt want to fuxx0r the drive lol |
| 00:58.16 | DammitJim | but df hangs and doesn't display what's in it |
| 00:58.37 | rahul | pagan0ne: yeah :) block device nodes work just like files if you want to use them that way |
| 00:58.53 | dym | DammitJim: tried unplugging and re-plugging? |
| 00:58.53 | DammitJim | I got this from dmesg |
| 00:58.53 | pagan0ne | cool, good to know |
| 00:58.53 | DammitJim | FAT: count of clusters too big (4871989) |
| 00:58.56 | DammitJim | yeah, I tried that |
| 01:00.09 | dym | DammitJim: is it on /proc/partitions ? |
| 01:00.48 | DammitJim | yes |
| 01:00.59 | DammitJim | sde and sde1 |
| 01:01.20 | dym | try to mount sde1 somewhere |
| 01:01.51 | DammitJim | ok |
| 01:01.54 | DammitJim | it mounted |
| 01:02.11 | carandraug | Hi! Anyone knows how aptitude marks a package as configured? I have some that were not configured (I forced their installation). Now I can't install new stuff because it tries to configure those which fails. I tried to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status but no success |
| 01:02.16 | DammitJim | but df is still hung |
| 01:02.16 | dym | and? df? |
| 01:02.19 | dym | syslog? |
| 01:03.20 | pagan0ne | wouldnt something like dpkg --reconfigure-all work to resolve that? |
| 01:03.35 | DammitJim | ouch |
| 01:03.37 | DammitJim | FAT: Directory bread(block 9546) failed |
| 01:03.46 | dym | uncool |
| 01:04.17 | abrotman | can anything else read it? |
| 01:04.41 | dym | DammitJim: fsck.vfat -nVv /dev/sde1 |
| 01:05.02 | DammitJim | command not found |
| 01:05.08 | DammitJim | what package do I need for that |
| 01:05.09 | dym | install it? (: |
| 01:05.14 | DammitJim | apt-get install vfat? |
| 01:05.18 | dym | no spoonfeeding. |
| 01:05.22 | DammitJim | ok, hold on |
| 01:05.52 | carandraug | pagan0ne, no. The package can't be reconfigured because of missing dependencies. I went to remove the dependencies on /var/lib/dpkg but removed too many and now it tries to remove a bunch of stuff that actually needs. I tried to add the dependencies back but now it complains about garbage on the Depends line. I know, it's a mess. But all I want now is to mark it as configured and will solve it when I have time |
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| 01:06.12 | DammitJim | dosfstools? |
| 01:06.13 | dym | DammitJim: where are you going to find the package? |
| 01:06.18 | DammitJim | I don't know why that sounds so bad LOL |
| 01:06.41 | DammitJim | honestly, the only way I know how to find packages is by: apt-cache search vfat |
| 01:06.47 | dym | ideal |
| 01:06.51 | pagan0ne | carandraug, last time i fubar'ed the apt system that bad, i wound up having to uninstall and reinstall the whole system (without rebooting) to resolve |
| 01:06.55 | simonlnu | dpkg --configure --pending/-a |
| 01:06.55 | dpkg | simonlnu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:06.59 | dym | and yes - the package is right |
| 01:07.09 | Boltsky | I have a clean install of debian squeeze. I ran apt-get install ntp and it works fine, grabs a few random peers. After a few hours, those peers are replaced with the local server, .INIT., and it's no longer syncing time. |
| 01:07.10 | simonlnu | dpkg: no, about the size of your head |
| 01:07.10 | dpkg | simonlnu: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 01:07.26 | Boltsky | I have to purge and reinstall ntp to get it to work again. restarting ntpd doesn't fix it |
| 01:07.37 | simonlnu | !bts |
| 01:07.38 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 01:07.39 | dym | Boltsky: use ntpdate or similar and run a cronjob with your own servers |
| 01:08.04 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/PkRRRp8D not cool!!!! |
| 01:08.06 | Boltsky | I'm trying to make this my internal ntp server, using ntpdate is not a solution |
| 01:08.25 | simonlnu | well, it still has to sync from somewhere |
| 01:08.42 | dym | DammitJim: retry the mount |
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| 01:08.53 | carandraug | pagan0ne, I know. I'll really fix this soon but right now I need to install bioperl tonight to finish the report. And the package is a small unimportant one (tuxguitar) |
| 01:09.13 | simonlnu | whether it be gps, some first or 2nd tier peer, or some other source... |
| 01:09.37 | pagan0ne | carandraug, can you force removal of the bad package? or atleast remove it manually from the db? |
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| 01:10.33 | DammitJim | should I unplug it, dym? |
| 01:10.47 | carandraug | pagan0ne, yeah. I can do that. I just thought that marking something as configured would be an easy fast thing |
| 01:10.55 | dym | either that - or mount |
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| 01:11.48 | carandraug | simonlnu, I see. I was not sure if that was for me. I just checked the man page, that's what I need. Thank you |
| 01:12.16 | DammitJim | I unmounted and mounted but had the same problem |
| 01:12.21 | DammitJim | I'm going to try to load it on the laptop again |
| 01:12.55 | simonlnu | carandraug: no, it wasn't |
| 01:12.56 | carandraug | simonlnu, oh. I spoke to soon. It doesn't work. That tries to configure it. I misread it |
| 01:13.16 | simonlnu | carandraug: the dpkg --configure was |
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| 01:13.31 | simonlnu | how about you pastebin the full output? |
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| 01:13.45 | carandraug | simonlnu, it doesn't work. I want to mark it as configured without actually making the configuration |
| 01:13.58 | simonlnu | sitting here guessing or trying to read your mind isn't working very well |
| 01:14.03 | simonlnu | !doesn't work |
| 01:14.04 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 01:15.43 | Boltsky | ok, I figured out why ntpd kept breaking |
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| 01:16.05 | dym | Boltsky: enlighten us |
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| 01:16.14 | Boltsky | my ntp server's dhcp server was sending it an ntp server... itself... |
| 01:16.26 | simonlnu | yayz... :( |
| 01:16.30 | dym | hah |
| 01:16.30 | dym | :D |
| 01:16.34 | Boltsky | so once dhcp renews, it rewrites my ntpd.conf |
| 01:16.34 | carandraug | simonlnu, was that for me? The problem is that it wants to configure. I don't want to solve the problem of why it fails to configure, I want it to ignore that package so I can install other stuff. |
| 01:16.39 | Boltsky | without, you know, telling me or anything |
| 01:16.45 | dym | Boltsky: lol |
| 01:16.47 | dym | why should it? |
| 01:17.01 | dym | This is Linux - get used to using logfiles. |
| 01:17.13 | Boltsky | didn't see anything in the logs |
| 01:17.17 | simonlnu | carandraug: um, you fail to realise that either way you'll have to take care of it. pastebin ready yet? |
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| 01:17.56 | simonlnu | otherwise i'll just ignore this and go do other things... |
| 01:19.21 | simonlnu | carandraug: ok, suit yourself |
| 01:19.26 | carandraug | simonlnu, http://pastebin.com/V29qQYAvI |
| 01:19.34 | simonlnu | thank you |
| 01:20.03 | simonlnu | um, empty? this a joke? |
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| 01:20.30 | carandraug | simonlnu, no |
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| 01:20.50 | amid_hasan | hey |
| 01:20.53 | carandraug | simonlnu, sorry. The extra I at the end of the link was an error |
| 01:20.58 | Lesterwood | i'm trying to install debian on one of these older machines |
| 01:21.04 | carandraug | it was actually the start of a sentence |
| 01:21.07 | carandraug | simonlnu, http://pastebin.com/V29qQYAv |
| 01:21.09 | Lesterwood | i selected graphical install |
| 01:21.11 | Lesterwood | and it froze up |
| 01:21.16 | Lesterwood | its been ~4 minutes |
| 01:21.18 | Lesterwood | wat do |
| 01:21.19 | dym | Lesterwood: use text based install? |
| 01:21.23 | Lesterwood | hmm |
| 01:24.51 | Lesterwood | dym, seems the same shit is happening |
| 01:25.06 | Lesterwood | :\ |
| 01:25.17 | dym | hit a shell with ctrl alt and F2 |
| 01:25.20 | carandraug | simonlnu, the "I" at the end of the link was the start of a sentence that I was writing before. Is that one ok? |
| 01:25.21 | dym | and check dmesg |
| 01:25.50 | Lesterwood | eh.. its not responding |
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| 01:29.05 | carandraug | simonlnu, so the thing is, I installed a packaged manually which was missing dependencies. It failed the configuration step. But it works. Now when I tried to install new stuff today it failed because it found a package installed with missing dependencies which can't be met (they don't exist). So I went to /var/lib/dpkg/status and removed them in the hopes that it it would ignore them. But now when it tries to reconfigure the package it complains the l |
| 01:29.06 | carandraug | ine is bad. Now, I don't want to fix this now, I know what I have to do. I need to compile it myself later. But right now I just need bioperl to finish the report |
| 01:30.08 | Lesterwood | oh |
| 01:30.11 | Lesterwood | i am stupid |
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| 01:30.34 | Lesterwood | dym, i used the wrong archetecture |
| 01:30.36 | Lesterwood | :| |
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| 01:43.26 | Lesterwood | lol.. forgot that at some point we used 32 bit arcs |
| 01:44.10 | cusco | and before that 16 |
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| 01:44.54 | Lesterwood | i was a 90's kid |
| 01:45.00 | Lesterwood | so i dident really see 16 bit stuff |
| 01:45.07 | cusco | lol |
| 01:45.28 | cusco | so was I |
| 01:45.33 | Lesterwood | debian should make it a little more obvious |
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| 01:45.46 | Lesterwood | if you insert a 64 bit into a 32 bit and boot try install |
| 01:45.49 | pipeline | pagan0ne: md5sum /dev/sdd |
| 01:45.49 | Lesterwood | it just idles |
| 01:45.52 | Lesterwood | :| |
| 01:45.59 | cusco | it errors out |
| 01:46.03 | Lesterwood | it should like, yell at you or something |
| 01:46.07 | Lesterwood | cusco, it diden't for me |
| 01:46.08 | Lesterwood | "3 |
| 01:46.08 | cusco | the kernel the installer boots is 64, right? |
| 01:46.15 | cusco | so it just states the kernel is unbootable |
| 01:46.18 | cusco | the instaler kernel |
| 01:46.20 | Lesterwood | oh |
| 01:46.27 | Lesterwood | well, if i did it from the help page |
| 01:46.29 | Lesterwood | it tells me |
| 01:46.37 | sprink | i'm surprised sid doesnt use gnome 3 yet |
| 01:46.37 | Lesterwood | but if i do "install" or "graphical install" |
| 01:46.39 | Lesterwood | it just sits |
| 01:46.40 | Lesterwood | :| |
| 01:46.46 | cusco | Lesterwood: or maybe you booted a 32 bit installer, but installed 64 bit? |
| 01:47.02 | cusco | dunno what u're on about |
| 01:47.12 | cusco | change tty back to 1 |
| 01:47.18 | cusco | (ctrl alt f1) |
| 01:47.21 | cusco | and read errors? |
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| 01:47.41 | Lesterwood | oh i was hitting ctrl alt f2 |
| 01:47.43 | Lesterwood | :| |
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| 01:55.58 | DammitJim | if I'm mounting a drive with root |
| 01:56.08 | DammitJim | how do I give other users access to this mount for wr? |
| 01:56.11 | DammitJim | (rw) |
| 01:56.32 | somiaj | DammitJim: what kind of drive? It really depends on the file system on the drive |
| 01:57.10 | DammitJim | I think it's vfat (ipod) |
| 01:57.11 | somiaj | DammitJim: if its ext? or some other linux style filesystem you just use chmod, if its vfat/ntfs there is an uid=user option to give the whole file system ownership to user, same thing for group with gid |
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| 01:57.48 | somiaj | check the mount optiosn for vfat, you can set the user id, group id, file mask and directory mask for permissions |
| 01:58.38 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 02:01.21 | somiaj | DammitJim: I use 'sudo mount /dev/disk /mnt/usb -o uid=somiaj' for all my flash drives, usb vfat file systems |
| 02:02.29 | DammitJim | -o |
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| 02:04.18 | Lesterwood | guys are you supposed to be able to drop to virtual console at the installation selection screen |
| 02:04.41 | abrotman | you can .. alt-f3 perhaps ? |
| 02:05.00 | Lesterwood | i used a x86_64 installer on a x86 machine and it won't even let me try to drop to kernel |
| 02:05.02 | Lesterwood | er |
| 02:05.04 | Lesterwood | terminal |
| 02:05.16 | abrotman | uhm .. try a 32bit installer |
| 02:05.24 | Lesterwood | yeah i know |
| 02:05.32 | Lesterwood | but still :| |
| 02:05.36 | abrotman | but still what? |
| 02:05.48 | abrotman | in what crazy world do you think a 32bit machine can execute code it doesn't understand? |
| 02:05.53 | Lesterwood | no no |
| 02:05.57 | abrotman | there's no emulation layer in between |
| 02:05.59 | Lesterwood | i understand that |
| 02:06.42 | Lesterwood | its just that its going to be a while before i get to my machine with a dvd burner, this machine has no burner |
| 02:08.05 | abrotman | you still can't use a 64bit installer on a 32bit machine |
| 02:08.25 | abrotman | maybe next time, grab the multi-arch installer |
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| 02:11.00 | Lesterwood | abrotman, unfortunately, the target machine also does not have a DVD reader |
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| 02:11.03 | Lesterwood | D: |
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| 02:11.27 | abrotman | the multiarch is on a CD |
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| 02:11.52 | Lesterwood | does it just install the base packages |
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| 02:12.37 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:12.38 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 02:14.14 | poopiebr1tches | Or, you can just get the net installer CD. It's like 11MB. |
| 02:14.43 | poopiebr1tches | I assume the machine can boot via USB? |
| 02:14.43 | tonytraductor | what can it possibly mean if I have tty on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and X on 8, but nothing on screen 7 but a blank screen with a cursor (same on screen 9)? |
| 02:15.02 | Lesterwood | poncha|laptop, no internet connection, and no flash drives |
| 02:15.04 | Lesterwood | sorry |
| 02:15.05 | tonytraductor | well, anyting above screen 8 is that same thing |
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| 02:15.15 | poopiebr1tches | @Lesterwood Ah. Whoops |
| 02:15.24 | tonytraductor | but X used to run in tty 7, but now it does not. |
| 02:15.35 | Lesterwood | poopiebr1tches, the debian website is kinda messy |
| 02:15.40 | Lesterwood | is it just me |
| 02:15.43 | poopiebr1tches | Yes. :) |
| 02:15.53 | poopiebr1tches | I think they just did a redesign too. |
| 02:15.57 | Lesterwood | oh god |
| 02:16.00 | tonytraductor | I confused myself, because I did ctrl-mod-f6 to use the tty, then ctrl-mod-f7 thinking I would come back to openbox, but did not |
| 02:16.11 | poopiebr1tches | I usually get to the nice parts via a search engine though. |
| 02:16.15 | Lesterwood | they need to hire a webdesigner, i noticed the better the programmer the worse the webdesigner |
| 02:16.22 | somiaj | tonytraductor: did X crash and you restart it, or is this from boot? |
| 02:16.23 | tonytraductor | took a minute to find X running on no. 8 (ctrl-mod-f8) |
| 02:16.39 | tonytraductor | hmmm...I think I did crash X, yesterday |
| 02:16.44 | poopiebr1tches | @Lester lol, that's because web stuff makes no sense. :) |
| 02:16.53 | tonytraductor | which is weird, because that's got to be the first time ever for me on Debian |
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| 02:17.10 | somiaj | tonytraductor: maybe it didnt' realse the tty7, by default it just gets teh first one it can grab ahold -- a reboot will most likely fix it. |
| 02:17.22 | tonytraductor | co0l |
| 02:17.28 | poopiebr1tches | @Lester I actually liked the older site's "I'm trapped in 1995, please let me out" style more. :) |
| 02:17.34 | tonytraductor | I just thought it was really weird |
| 02:18.04 | poopiebr1tches | @tony dunno, I've never seen a tty8 before... |
| 02:18.05 | tonytraductor | I wonder if I killed X and restarted it if it would now to go 9 |
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| 02:18.17 | poopiebr1tches | @tony Hmmm... |
| 02:18.27 | somiaj | tonytraductor: you can configure x (or your dm) to start on any tty you like and add/remove the number of default ones. (: |
| 02:18.39 | tonytraductor | it seems to usually run on tty 7 |
| 02:18.55 | somiaj | tonytraductor: my guess is the crash was bad, it shouldn't release it once it dies |
| 02:18.57 | tonytraductor | I was not aware that I could control this |
| 02:19.07 | tonytraductor | how is this configured? |
| 02:19.39 | somiaj | tonytraductor: what display manager do you use? |
| 02:19.41 | tonytraductor | some website crashed my X yesterday |
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| 02:19.44 | somiaj | tonytraductor: or do you use startx? |
| 02:19.52 | tonytraductor | I use gdm on this machine |
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| 02:20.28 | rypervenche | What is a good way to no longer use a display manager on my Debian system? I would like to start up in a tty and "startx" to my xfce |
| 02:20.32 | tonytraductor | I used startx on my previous machine, which is now serving as a server, and I almost never run X on it, but it was cool to just startx ... I liked that |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | !tell rypervenche about nodm |
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| 02:20.52 | tonytraductor | rypervenche: sudo aptitude remove gdm |
| 02:21.00 | abrotman | tonytraductor: what if he doesn't use gdm? |
| 02:21.15 | tonytraductor | but if you have more than one DE or WM installed, I think you have to edit some file so you get a choice upon startx |
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| 02:21.24 | tonytraductor | or whatever dm...xdm, kdm... |
| 02:21.53 | tonytraductor | on my old machine I had openbox, xfce, wmii and tritium |
| 02:21.53 | somiaj | tonytraductor: look at the config files for gdm, or search in google. |
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| 02:22.38 | tonytraductor | /etc/gdm.conf doesn't seem to mention anything about which tty |
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| 02:22.43 | rypervenche | Thank you :) |
| 02:22.45 | somiaj | tonytraductor: I rember setting it up once to run on tty11 while I had 1-8 consoles...but I dont' change my defaults that much anymore |
| 02:23.21 | tonytraductor | would you believe, after running gnu/linux for over a decade, I just discovered last week that I could change to a tty with this ctrl-mod=f# ? |
| 02:23.26 | tonytraductor | pretty handy really |
| 02:23.38 | abrotman | llimeht: take me away! |
| 02:25.25 | tonytraductor | omglol...reading /etc/gdm/Init/Default, and the comments are cracking me up |
| 02:25.53 | tonytraductor | one commend #FIXME: is this all right? Is this completely on crack? |
| 02:25.58 | tonytraductor | I did not edit this file... |
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| 02:29.14 | scanf | on an advanced install of testing, what is the root password? |
| 02:29.16 | scanf | i tried blank |
| 02:29.32 | abrotman | whatever you set it to |
| 02:29.39 | scanf | i dont think i was ever prompted |
| 02:29.48 | abrotman | did you set it for sudo only? |
| 02:29.56 | scanf | i think so |
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| 02:30.08 | abrotman | then root won't have a password |
| 02:30.21 | scanf | yeah its just not working |
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| 02:30.42 | scanf | do i have to reinstall with the disc or can i do something in a rescue shell |
| 02:30.58 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 02:31.06 | scanf | add a user/change root pword |
| 02:31.09 | abrotman | can't you just 'sudo passwd root' ? |
| 02:31.38 | scanf | no i cant login or anyting |
| 02:32.02 | scanf | i need to do this textual the gui installer isnt working proper on my hardware |
| 02:32.20 | abrotman | you can't login as your regular user ? |
| 02:32.49 | scanf | i did expert install and i deselected everything including the standard utilities, theres nothing on the system |
| 02:32.59 | scanf | (except the base) |
| 02:33.01 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:33.13 | abrotman | can you login as your regular user or not? |
| 02:33.27 | scanf | i cant, because i never was prompted to add a regular user |
| 02:33.40 | abrotman | maybe you sohuldn't use the advanced installer? |
| 02:33.43 | Arrowmaster | you are always prompted during install |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | try appending init=/bin/bash to your bootloader line .. then give root a password |
| 02:34.10 | abrotman | or add users .. whatever you want to do |
| 02:34.11 | Arrowmaster | where did you get this installer from? |
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| 02:34.21 | scanf | debian.org |
| 02:34.37 | abrotman | it's the testing installer .. no telling what state it's currently in |
| 02:35.48 | scanf | i guess ill try stable |
| 02:35.55 | scanf | apt, netinst |
| 02:35.55 | apt | somebody said netinst was a mini-CD bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html for a large variety of sources for various netinst images for Woody, Sarge, and Sid. http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/tc1/sarge-i386-netinst.iso for the beta netinstall cds for sarge/sid |
| 02:35.57 | tonytraductor | stable is a good place to start |
| 02:36.09 | tonytraductor | I've been using stable for about 2 years or so |
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| 02:36.14 | tonytraductor | I'm starting to think about testing |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | scanf: that bot is out of date ... |
| 02:36.27 | tonytraductor | the thing is, stable works out great for me, since this is a production machine |
| 02:36.38 | tonytraductor | but sometimes I'd really like to not wait 2 years for new packages |
| 02:36.49 | Arrowmaster | use backports? |
| 02:37.00 | tonytraductor | I almost thought of trying LinuxMint Debian Edition (rolling release based on testing) |
| 02:37.13 | abrotman | but this isn't the Mint channel ... |
| 02:37.16 | tonytraductor | but then, why use a derivative when you can ride on the mother ship |
| 02:37.41 | tonytraductor | that's what brought me here from ubuntu a few years ago. |
| 02:38.12 | tonytraductor | keep working with ubuntu's crazy release schedule that breaks stuff? or beam on the mother ship for a smooth ride? I decided to beam up |
| 02:38.24 | abrotman | tonytraductor: you do realize this is #debian, right ? |
| 02:38.29 | tonytraductor | yes |
| 02:38.36 | tonytraductor | did you misunderstand what I said? |
| 02:38.48 | abrotman | perhaps you'd like to try #debian-offtopic for your chatter |
| 02:38.57 | tonytraductor | It is better to be HERE (#debian) than wank about with derivatives (ubu, mint, etc.) |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | we don't want to talk about them .. knock it off |
| 02:39.18 | tonytraductor | meh |
| 02:39.53 | syockit | please don't flood support channel with non-support banter |
| 02:39.54 | tonytraductor | I suppose you won't say "voldemort" either |
| 02:41.20 | scanf | i did vga=0 and did the normal install and it did ask for pwords |
| 02:41.21 | scanf | thanks |
| 02:41.53 | JohnWittle | tonytraductor: you should try a rolling release distro like arch. |
| 02:42.15 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:42.15 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:42.28 | rahul | is there something special I need to do to get xserver-xorg-input-evdev to work? |
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| 02:43.30 | rahul | should I uninstall the -kbd and -mouse packages? |
| 02:44.42 | abrotman | are you supposed to be using -evdev ? |
| 02:44.59 | rahul | apparently that's what the latest xorg uses |
| 02:45.38 | abrotman | as a compliment or as a replacement? |
| 02:45.38 | rahul | I didn't ask to use it. I think it's just using that becuase that's how it's set up. |
| 02:45.45 | rahul | I suspect replacement |
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| 02:46.12 | rahul | although the package doesn't replaces: those two, so I have all 3 installed |
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| 02:47.00 | Wyvern666 | hey i installed debian 6, i cant do apt-get update, beacuse is asking me for the cd?, why is that? |
| 02:47.20 | rahul | Wyvern666: because when you set up, you chose to install from CD instead of the internet |
| 02:47.21 | beardy | !sources.list |
| 02:47.21 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 02:47.24 | abrotman | Wyvern666: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:47.38 | rahul | Wyvern666: either remove the CDs from your sources or put the CD in when asked :) |
| 02:47.39 | Wyvern666 | o shit, mi sources.list is empty |
| 02:47.43 | Wyvern666 | what can i do? |
| 02:47.51 | beardy | No, it isn't. |
| 02:47.56 | Wyvern666 | i check with nano |
| 02:48.02 | rahul | it's a sources.list.d these days, right? |
| 02:48.09 | Wyvern666 | .d? |
| 02:48.16 | abrotman | rahul: not the default |
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| 02:48.51 | beardy | Wyvern666: You must have typed the path wrong. |
| 02:48.52 | rahul | Wyvern666: check if you have any files under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ or make sure you're not mistyping anything |
| 02:48.53 | Wyvern666 | nano /etc/sources.list is empty.... |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | Wyvern666: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:49.00 | Wyvern666 | ok |
| 02:49.01 | rahul | who said /etc/sources.list? |
| 02:49.03 | beardy | Wyvern666: Read. |
| 02:50.05 | Wyvern666 | ok, i was missing the /apt/ path, in ubuntu is the other way |
| 02:50.07 | Wyvern666 | thanks |
| 02:50.11 | Wyvern666 | so i remove the CD line |
| 02:50.24 | beardy | No, it isn't. |
| 02:50.28 | beardy | Comment it out. |
| 02:51.16 | Wyvern666 | "deb cdrom..." is commented now |
| 02:51.54 | beardy | !mirrors |
| 02:51.54 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 02:52.19 | Wyvern666 | [beardy] i need to put some mirror in the souces? |
| 02:52.21 | beardy | Now you want an http or ftp source. |
| 02:52.27 | Wyvern666 | ok |
| 02:52.28 | beardy | Wyvern666: Yep. |
| 02:53.43 | abrotman | !tell Wyvern666 about squeeze sources.list |
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| 02:59.25 | scanf | ok so i got debian installed, i got a user acct, but somehow i twice entered in a typoed password in the installer |
| 02:59.39 | Wyvern666 | when i do apt-get update i have some error with "/var/lib/apt/lists/lock" |
| 02:59.40 | scanf | what can i do |
| 02:59.43 | krisfremen | scanf: you know your root password? |
| 02:59.54 | scanf | scanf: its not what i thought it was |
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| 03:00.12 | scanf | i mean i know the user acct pw, but forgot the root pw |
| 03:00.19 | rahul | Wyvern666: that means that there is another apt process running |
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| 03:00.58 | Wyvern666 | [rahul] i dont see nothing here |
| 03:01.16 | Wyvern666 | so i need to finalize that? |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | or he's not root at all |
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| 03:03.25 | rahul | Wyvern666: are you doing this as root? |
| 03:03.34 | Wyvern666 | yes |
| 03:03.37 | Wyvern666 | y do su - |
| 03:03.47 | Wyvern666 | i am root, at least that says the terminal |
| 03:04.32 | rahul | then something else apt-related is still running |
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| 03:04.56 | Wyvern666 | mmm, i need restart? |
| 03:05.24 | rahul | just exit whatever else you ran |
| 03:05.28 | Wyvern666 | (restarting sounds like window xD) |
| 03:05.50 | rahul | if you act like a windows user, you'll get advice appropriate for a windows user :P |
| 03:06.08 | rahul | use ps and see if there's something else running |
| 03:06.14 | rahul | do you know how to use ps? |
| 03:06.20 | Wyvern666 | yeah |
| 03:06.25 | Wyvern666 | i will check |
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| 03:06.45 | rahul | ok, then you should have done that instead of assuming a reboot was needed :) |
| 03:06.47 | tonytraductor | pstree is nice |
| 03:06.57 | rahul | he just needs ps at this point |
| 03:07.05 | rahul | and ps has a tree option built in |
| 03:07.23 | rahul | not as pretty as pstree, but more functional |
| 03:08.00 | Wyvern666 | there is something about "apt-get update" runing |
| 03:08.03 | Wyvern666 | i will kill that |
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| 03:08.48 | Wyvern666 | ok, now apt-get uodate is working |
| 03:08.59 | rahul | you should usually use aptitude |
| 03:09.25 | rahul | it's more friendly both in terms of having a fuller UI and giving more options when things get messy |
| 03:10.05 | Wyvern666 | [rahul] ok, will take that in mind |
| 03:10.10 | Wyvern666 | thank you |
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| 03:13.45 | yow | hi everyone. i have a windows zipped archive that utilised PPMd method/algorithm, I wonder if it's possible to decompress under linux (Debian Squeeze?)? Any help, advice, ideas or pointers are welcome. TIA. |
| 03:13.56 | syockit | what should I do to hide a package from the apt system? any options in apt_preferences or apt.conf? |
| 03:14.28 | rahul | yow: aptitude install unzip? |
| 03:14.51 | yow | hi rahul, thx for your prompt reply |
| 03:15.00 | rahul | syockit: you can probably use pinning to force it to never install any version |
| 03:15.13 | rahul | syockit: not sure if that will make apt whine all the time, tho |
| 03:15.18 | yow | i've tried decompressing the archive using 7zip, unzip, atool and a Ruby script called "e" but to no avail. i have ppmd installed on my system, it seems it's possible to decompress it under linux, however, i could not find any sort of information on how to achieve it on the internet. |
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| 03:15.48 | rahul | yow: oh this is not regular zip but some new compression? |
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| 03:16.07 | rahul | yow: dpkg -L <package> to see what a package installed |
| 03:16.08 | yow | rahul, afaik, info-zip (linux) has not yet support the "PPMd" method |
| 03:16.45 | rahul | what do you mean you have ppmd installed? |
| 03:16.50 | yow | rahul, i've been using info-zip on linux for years and i had `ppmd' installed yesterday, however, not sure how to use it |
| 03:17.54 | yow | rahul, it seems that 7zip can deal with "PPMd" method (not 100% certain), however, i don't know exactly how to do it, i.e. confused with the command line options |
| 03:18.10 | yow | rahul, have u ever used 7zip (in windows or linux?)? |
| 03:18.18 | rahul | no, I haven't |
| 03:18.28 | rahul | there should be a man page... |
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| 03:20.52 | yow | rahul, i've read the 7zip man page and also /usr/share/doc/p7zip-full/DOCS/MANUAL/switches/method.htm, however, i fail to figure it out thus far |
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| 03:21.41 | rahul | yow: never used it myself, so sorry... can't help more than that |
| 03:22.05 | yow | rahul, it's ok, thx anyway. |
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| 03:26.18 | rahul | is anybody using X on testing? |
| 03:26.21 | myke2 | Is there any gdm-guest-session in Debian? |
| 03:26.56 | myke2 | rahul: I'm using X with testing (combined with sid) |
| 03:27.14 | rahul | myke2: and did you need to do anything special to get mouse/kbd working? |
| 03:27.26 | myke2 | rahul: mouse is working |
| 03:27.38 | rahul | myke2: if you're looking for a user setup for guests, I doubt you'll want to use anything prepackaged |
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| 03:28.08 | myke2 | rahul: Oh, a script to create guest in /tmp/... automatically |
| 03:28.11 | rahul | you'll want to set something up exactly to your needs, as far as exposing as little and as much of the system as makes sense for your guests |
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| 03:28.25 | sCOTTo | I am wondering - what does everyone here use for server monitoring ? |
| 03:28.34 | wols | !polls |
| 03:28.35 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 03:28.36 | rahul | everyone uses something |
| 03:28.56 | josh_ | hey #debian. this is really pissing me off. so about half the time, when i start my computer, the gnome bar "stops responding", and never loads. would upgrading to gnome 3 help? what could be causing this? |
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| 03:29.22 | wols | Gump_: there is no gnome3 and I'd look at your hardware |
| 03:29.45 | Gump_ | wols, look at? half the time, gnome works flawlessly |
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| 03:31.20 | rahul | Gump_: gnome is very flaky |
| 03:31.29 | rahul | it's pretty common for things to randomly not work |
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| 03:31.42 | Gump_ | heh. thanks rahul |
| 03:31.47 | Gump_ | would you reccomend kde? |
| 03:31.49 | rahul | no |
| 03:32.01 | sCOTTo | ok then, I am in need ot server monitoring - which I have not done until now (I know... Im an idiot sometimes) I have 2 x Debian based servers. which monitoring software is going to work best for me? I have VMs running for my cPanel server and a couple of other things. |
| 03:32.05 | rahul | kde may work more often but from what I've seen it's more likely to do real damage to your system |
| 03:32.21 | Gump_ | alright cool. brb rebooting. hopefully gnome will actually work this time |
| 03:32.44 | rahul | sCOTTo: define "monitoring" what do you want to see? sar is quite useful depending on what you want. |
| 03:32.52 | ffb | hi.....where i find channel for dumps testking? |
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| 03:33.31 | ffb | quir |
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| 03:34.50 | sCOTTo | rahul: I need to ensure my cPanel VM is up &/or my websites are up for my clients. The main physical server is running KVM for the VMs. Last weekend I had the whole server go downa nd I didnt know until the first abusive message :D *Sheepish Grin* |
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| 03:35.48 | rahul | oh, most of those kinds of tools I've seen are in-house |
| 03:36.05 | sCOTTo | really ? :( oh dear I am fdisked then ? |
| 03:36.34 | rahul | there probably ARE tools available, but I've never seen the sysadmins I worked with use them |
| 03:37.33 | sCOTTo | bugga |
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| 03:37.53 | rahul | aptitude has some way to search tags of packages |
| 03:38.00 | rahul | there's a purpose tag category |
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| 03:38.35 | myke2 | gdm-guest-session is a package of ubuntu |
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| 03:40.58 | rahul | sCOTTo: ah, "use::monitor" is the tag you want, I think |
| 03:41.57 | sCOTTo | ok thanks |
| 03:42.07 | sCOTTo | in aptitude ? |
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| 03:42.54 | rahul | yeah |
| 03:43.07 | rahul | rtfm, I don't remember exactly how to search for the tags |
| 03:43.18 | rahul | or if you need to use apt-cache instead of aptitude |
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| 03:46.10 | sCOTTo | was just told by a friend to look at Nagios. |
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| 03:47.46 | somiaj | hmm, anyone know what package the syntax hilighting for vim and tex files is? |
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| 03:52.32 | wireddd | trying to dist-upgrade from etch to squeeze. having some issues with the libc packages... http://pastebin.com/1pSphKdf |
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| 03:53.34 | wireddd | do I just need to manually install the dpkg package? |
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| 03:55.24 | somiaj | you can't really skip stable installs like that, should have gone to lenny first. Yes you may have to manually fix the problems |
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| 03:58.22 | ryoohki | anyone here using debian on olpc? |
| 03:59.03 | Rusty1 | somiaj: not sure but, what does: apt-cache policy vim-runtime return |
| 04:02.19 | yow | Corel, how to grab it? |
| 04:02.29 | yow | Corel, i've been googling but found nothing |
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| 04:02.50 | somiaj | Rusty1: http://paste.debian.net/118944/ |
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| 04:03.05 | Corey | yow: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental |
| 04:03.18 | yow | Corel, thx, let me check |
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| 04:05.23 | yow | Corel, it seems that there's no experimental ISO like Sid or testing does, is there? |
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| 04:06.41 | Rusty1 | somiaj: k, saw this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+question/6111 thought it might help |
| 04:06.43 | yow | Corel, i was hoping to download some sort of iso and install a debian experimental virtual machine and try out the latest p7zip there |
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| 04:10.01 | yow | Corel, is the "concept" or "implementation" is different from Sid or testing? No experimental ISO will be provided but only individual packages? |
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| 04:12.56 | somiaj | Rusty1: well it appears that syntax hilighting is there, it is just not detecting -- so I have to manually choose the type I want to use as opposed to reconizing the .tex or .html |
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| 04:14.05 | Rusty1 | has been liking Geany |
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| 04:19.42 | nsadmin | yow, when you realize the purpose of sid and experimental and you realize how often they change, you'll see why isos are generally not made of them |
| 04:20.36 | rypervenche | nsadmin: You can make a jigdo of them. |
| 04:20.47 | yow | nsadmin, ic. thx for info, it makes sense, iirc, i learned that from somewhere but has forgotten about it. it makes sense. |
| 04:21.25 | nsadmin | rypervenche, if that's the case, then there must exist a jigdo file for the images |
| 04:21.28 | yow | nsadmin, may i know how to build a "proper" or native debian experimental OS then? |
| 04:21.46 | rypervenche | wheezy does have some CDs on the site, but making an ISO with jigdo ensures the most up-to-date packages. |
| 04:22.23 | yow | nsadmin, should i create a wheezy OS and then change the apt to experimental and upgrade from there? |
| 04:22.23 | rypervenche | nsadmin: Both normal wheezy discs and jigdos are available. Not sure about with sid though. |
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| 04:24.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | yow: you shouldn't use experimental as a day to day suite |
| 04:24.46 | rypervenche | yow: testing is pretty close to unstable. |
| 04:25.00 | rypervenche | I use testing as my main distro. |
| 04:25.36 | nsadmin | it's not recommended, the reason a dev would put packages in experimental is because they don't work yet, for example there was a huge rearrangement of the x window stuff, and while the guy was working on them, the packaging scripts didn't work yet (couldn't install, or couldn't remove, or couldn't upgrade until he finished the scripts) |
| 04:26.02 | rypervenche | Is it possible to find the versions of a package by using the command line? I would like to do it without having to have the sources in my sources.list. Is there a package that does it? |
| 04:26.46 | yow | Kamping_Kaiser, i think u r right, actually, the main purpose of setting that up is to try the p7zip (version 9.20) as i failed to decompress a "PPMd" method "enabled" zipped archive using p7zip-full (Ver. 9.04) that available in my Squeeze. |
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| 04:26.52 | somiaj | rypervenche: dpkg is the actual pacakge manager, dpkg -l will list all packages installed |
| 04:27.21 | yow | nsadmin, WOW, that sounds bad... |
| 04:27.38 | nsadmin | why? there is stable, and it works. |
| 04:27.40 | jmarsden | rypervenche: rmadison will query a web-accessible database showing package versions across different Debian releases... is that what you want? |
| 04:27.54 | yow | rypervenche, `dpkg -l ...' |
| 04:28.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions p7zip |
| 04:28.05 | judd | Package p7zip on i386 -- lenny: 4.58~dfsg.1-1; sid: 9.04~dfsg.1-1; squeeze: 9.04~dfsg.1-1; wheezy: 9.04~dfsg.1-1; experimental: 9.20.1~dfsg.1-1 |
| 04:28.13 | nsadmin | you use experimental or sid packages at your peril. |
| 04:28.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell yow about ssb |
| 04:28.24 | yow | judd, i found that too. |
| 04:29.19 | nsadmin | ssb from experimental won't necessarily work |
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| 04:29.37 | yow | nsadmin & Kamping_Kaiser: actually, i want to set up a debian experimental virtual machine because i don't want to mess up my main OS, i.e. Squeeze |
| 04:29.39 | rypervenche | Yeah, I want something like what judd does. |
| 04:29.56 | rypervenche | or what aptitude versions does, without needed the sources. |
| 04:30.02 | rypervenche | needing* |
| 04:30.17 | yow | nsadmin, Kamping_Kaiser & judd: do u know how to decompress a "PPMd" enabled archive? |
| 04:30.32 | beardy | judd: what are you |
| 04:30.41 | yow | nsadmin & Kamping_Kaiser: afaik, info-zip has not had "PPMd" support yet |
| 04:30.48 | beardy | judd: version |
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| 04:31.05 | beardy | Sigh. |
| 04:31.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | yow: now idea. i've never seen a ppmd archive |
| 04:31.09 | rypervenche | ,versions gdm |
| 04:31.10 | judd | Package gdm on i386 -- lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; squeeze: 2.20.11-4; wheezy: 2.20.11-4 |
| 04:31.40 | beardy | yow: judd is a bot. |
| 04:32.04 | nsadmin | yow, another reason why it was good the X guy put the packages in experimental is so that other people who KNEW what they were doing could try them in order to help with debugging and for NO other purpose (if you understand what is in experimental, you would know use of them is unwise and possibly insane) |
| 04:32.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk, going out |
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| 04:32.44 | beardy | Have fun. |
| 04:32.53 | nsadmin | there, I did that without pointing, laughing, ridiculing, or calling you names :P |
| 04:32.56 | yow | nsadmin & Kamping_Kaiser: p7zip-full in squeeze seems to support "PPMd" according to /usr/share/doc/p7zip-full/DOCS/MANUAL/switches/method.htm. i've carried out some simple experiments and it seems that "-m0=ppmd" works but when i tried that on the windows created archive,it gave me this error msg: "`PPMd' method not supported" |
| 04:33.19 | yow | beardy, ic. thx for letting me know |
| 04:36.13 | yow | nsadmin, it seems that for my situation now, i have no other option except setting up a debian experimental VM and try out the p7zip-full 9.20 in there as the one in Squeeze, Wheezy & Sid seems to have problem or bug. frankly, i think i can decompress the archive in windows using winzip or run winzip with wine, however, im still trying to find a native linux way to overcome the problem |
| 04:36.42 | yow | nsadmin, any other suggestions or pointers are welcome. |
| 04:37.24 | nsadmin | compile them |
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| 04:37.36 | Joey64 | when i open openoffice.org or virtualbox , in the console show : Warning: Multiple interpretations of "NoSymbol+AnyOfOrNone(all)" > Using last definition for duplicate fields |
| 04:38.09 | yow | nsadmin, another way just popped up in my mind is to download the latest p7zip source and make it on my Squeeze without running `make install'. do u think that's a good or viable approach? |
| 04:38.17 | Joey64 | when i open openoffice.org or virtualbox , in the console show : Warning: Multiple interpretations of "NoSymbol+AnyOfOrNone(all)" > Using last definition for duplicate fields |
| 04:38.24 | Joey64 | how can i fix it |
| 04:38.32 | yow | nsadmin, ok, i'll try that (too). |
| 04:39.00 | nsadmin | why not use make install? you can configure it with --prefix=/home/yow/somewhere |
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| 04:40.50 | yow | nsadmin, will all the binary be installed to that prefix? im just worry that only the final 7z & 7za will be installed to that prefix but the dependencies/libraries will be install onto the "standard" directories. am i wrong? |
| 04:42.14 | nsadmin | what dependencies/libraries? if they come from experimental too, again, compile them... maybe an easy thing to do is use the same prefix |
| 04:43.10 | yow | nsadmin, do u mean all the resulting binaries including the libraries will go into the prefix but not any other directory? |
| 04:43.23 | nsadmin | on the other hand, if the thing you're trying to make can use squeeze lib s, just install them from aptitude |
| 04:43.41 | yow | nsadmin, btw, do u think having different but somewhat similar apt sources and using apt pinning is a good idea? |
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| 04:44.35 | yow | nsadmin, is it a good idea to have experimental repo on my apt source? how to install only p7zip from it only but not any other packages? |
| 04:45.22 | simonlnu | backport for squeeze... |
| 04:46.09 | yow | simonlnu, isn't packages for backport for squeeze coming from Wheezy? |
| 04:46.14 | simonlnu | it's not going to work even, if you use the experimental one |
| 04:46.31 | simonlnu | uh, they're built for squeeze. experimental isn't. |
| 04:46.40 | nsadmin | well, if it's not coming from debian, the quality can slip, and it may or may not be compatible with squeeze, its libs and its kernel |
| 04:46.45 | yow | simonlnu, squeeze, wheezy & sid use the same version of p7zip-full :( |
| 04:47.22 | yow | nsadmin, ic. that's what im worry (that it'll mess up my squeeze installation) |
| 04:47.28 | simonlnu | yes, but they're built using different versions of eglibc, and other libraries |
| 04:47.51 | simonlnu | it. is. not. going. to. run. on. squeeze. |
| 04:47.52 | yow | nsadmin, perhaps it's better and safer to try to setup a debian experimental VM. |
| 04:48.11 | nsadmin | there is very likely no such thing |
| 04:48.19 | simonlnu | no such thing. you run sid + experimental. |
| 04:48.48 | simonlnu | !experimental |
| 04:48.49 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 04:48.49 | yow | simonlnu, what are built using different versions of eglibc, and other libraries and won't run on squeeze? r u talking about backport or experimental? |
| 04:50.06 | simonlnu | the packages in experimental are not built for squeeze, but sid. there are different eglibc version in squeeze and sid. things from sid WILL NOT WORK on squeeze. period. |
| 04:50.06 | yow | nsadmin & simonlnu, i just wish to try the latest p7zip-full on linux before resorting to using windows. |
| 04:50.15 | simonlnu | versions* |
| 04:50.46 | simonlnu | hence, you need to fetch a/build a backport for squeeze. |
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| 04:51.10 | yow | simonlnu, so, i need to install a squeeze or wheezy virtual machine and then upgrade to sid. then, add the experimental repo and install the latest packages? |
| 04:51.17 | nsadmin | you know something... I feel this conversation has been going around in circles for the last hour at least |
| 04:51.19 | simonlnu | e.g.: running a wincrap vista binary on xp is not doable. same thing here. |
| 04:51.29 | simonlnu | i didn't say that |
| 04:51.54 | yow | nsadmin, maybe u r right. let me try something out then. |
| 04:52.02 | simonlnu | wanders off, hoping yow gets it some time this week |
| 04:52.15 | yow | nsadmin & simonlnu, thx for your help & time |
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| 04:52.24 | nsadmin | we've explained it about 10 times |
| 04:52.33 | yow | nsadmin & simonlnu, see u guys later |
| 04:52.50 | yow | nsadmin, sorry for that |
| 04:53.11 | nsadmin | I just didn't see the circularness until now |
| 04:53.26 | yow | nsadmin, one more question b4 i leave the subject. do u think it's a good idea to use apt pinning? is it reliable? |
| 04:53.51 | nsadmin | depends a lot on what you use it for |
| 04:54.11 | yow | nsadmin & simonlnu, i'll set up a virtual machine to test things out |
| 04:54.39 | yow | nsadmin, just to use it to install certain "up-to-date" packages from specific repo. is it a good idea? |
| 04:55.10 | nsadmin | at least you have a few things to try |
| 04:55.31 | PCChris | could there ever be an instance whereby dd somehow doesn't stop at the end of a partition? |
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| 04:56.53 | yow | nsadmin, actually, is apt pinning a "good" way of doing things? iirc, it's not a good idea, is it? |
| 04:58.01 | simonlnu | if done wrong, it's a Very Bad Idea. |
| 04:58.19 | nsadmin | VBI for short |
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| 04:59.07 | PCChris | nvm seems to have stopped lol |
| 04:59.40 | nsadmin | PCChris, you can tell dd to go past the end |
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| 05:03.18 | kevke | Hey ppl, for those that still remember on Thursday: I had a server crash, which I recovered successfully, however, the database I installed is verry old. I still have the old /var/lib/mysql folder, can I simply put the folder of the database in question to the new one (if I stop mysql beforehand)? |
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| 05:05.17 | nsadmin | Thursday... |
| 05:05.27 | nsadmin | doesn't remember Thursday |
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| 05:05.59 | nsadmin | has there ever been a thursday? |
| 05:07.48 | nsadmin | ohhh, I remember now, it was that day after Wednesday... |
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| 05:11.26 | nsadmin | you probably need to run the same version of mysql you were running before, then produce a backup dump |
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| 05:12.00 | kevke | I could install mysql on the old server and see if that helps |
| 05:12.10 | kevke | reinstall i mean |
| 05:13.00 | nsadmin | the thing is I can't help much, I don't use mysql at all, I use postgres |
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| 05:51.25 | kevke | nsadmin, thanx a bunch anyway... it worked |
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| 06:09.17 | asarch | One stupid question: I install the package foo and it downloads bar as one of its dependencies but then I realize I didn't need foo so I uninstall it |
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| 06:09.24 | asarch | But bar remains in the system |
| 06:09.37 | asarch | How can I remove also bar (the dependencies of foo)? |
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| 06:19.53 | simonlnu | apt-get autoremove |
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| 06:23.14 | asarch | Thank you simonlnu |
| 06:23.24 | asarch | Does it also remove configuration files? |
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| 06:23.43 | simonlnu | use --purge |
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| 07:39.51 | liran | when running 'top' command with multiply CPU's, so I need to press '1' in order to see all CPU's, there is a way to see them all from the command line using top ? |
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| 07:47.24 | liran | when running 'top' command with multiply CPU's, so I need to press '1' in order to see all CPU's, there is a way to see them all from the command line using top ? |
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| 07:47.56 | babilen | liran: I recommend htop |
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| 07:50.25 | liran | babilen: I prefer using top, 3rd party applications cant use them |
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| 07:52.59 | babilen | liran: No, I meant for yourself. How/Why do you want to use top with third party applications? Why can't they use htop? What about, say, "mpstat -P ALL" ? What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 08:14.50 | fiacha | Hi...What would be the best ftp client to reliably send large files (30gb). It should automatically reconnect and resume if interrupted etc. Backstory: Ii want to send files to a windows server. Up till now i tried to mount a windows share using cifs but the transfer failes about 80% of the time (30gb file) with either mv or using rsync (file is corrupt). So i want to use something else. I am thinking of ftp and have setup and ftp serv |
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| 08:15.46 | phorce1_home | zmodem |
| 08:15.57 | phorce1_home | (sorry, couldn't resist) |
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| 08:16.20 | Dewi | fiacha: rsync is fine |
| 08:16.31 | Dewi | fiacha: it can resume |
| 08:17.05 | Dewi | fiacha: --partial |
| 08:17.24 | fiacha | Dewi: well problem with rsync is that i don't get an error but the file is corrupt when it is done. I can run it multiple times (5+) until it works... but that takes to long :( |
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| 08:17.43 | redhook | phorce1_home: kermit |
| 08:18.01 | Dewi | fiacha: why is rsync corrupting it? |
| 08:18.02 | redhook | or what was that one, y-modem iirc that let you chat while downloadin |
| 08:18.05 | fiacha | Dewi: i mean it rarely happens that it is fully interrupted mid transfer.. it just seems the win box screws up the data without error :( |
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| 08:18.25 | redhook | fiacha: have you looked at filezilla? |
| 08:18.28 | Dewi | fiacha: this sounds like a very good reason to use rsync, since it can repair |
| 08:18.37 | Dewi | fiacha: other resuming copiers don't check anything |
| 08:18.52 | Dewi | fiacha: but I'd question why you are having data corruption, something must be wrong |
| 08:19.08 | phorce1_home | fiacha: you could drop it in a web server folder and try wgetting it from the other end. http is a bit more picky about ACKs in transit. (wget also has resume) |
| 08:19.12 | fiacha | Dewi: well the way i use rsync is to mount the win share locally using cifs and then rsync from one local file to the local cifs mount... rsync is not installed on win box (is there a win port?) |
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| 08:19.29 | redhook | wait, no error and corrupt file sounds like a handware issue |
| 08:19.33 | redhook | hardware |
| 08:19.33 | fiacha | redhook: yes, that is what i am using as server on win box already.. so it is a good command line client too? |
| 08:19.34 | Dewi | fiacha: cifs over non-local links is never a good idea |
| 08:19.37 | redhook | check your ethernet cabled |
| 08:19.40 | phorce1_home | redhook: zmodem had the most robust error correction |
| 08:19.44 | Dewi | fiacha: if it works it's ridiculously slow and unstable |
| 08:19.51 | Dewi | fiacha: you'll never get 30gb of file to work over it |
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| 08:20.13 | Dewi | fiacha: there is no proper windows port of rsync, but the cygwin version works okay |
| 08:20.54 | fiacha | Dewi: sorry didn't explain properly. It is all in lan but non local i meant on win box etc |
| 08:20.55 | phorce1_home | it's smb(cifs) corrupting the file the way you are using rsync |
| 08:20.59 | redhook | fiacha: and yes, the filezilla client is a good choice |
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| 08:21.58 | Dewi | fiacha: if it's local what is wrong with samba? |
| 08:21.58 | fiacha | redhook: ok i will check the lan.. i think we recently set up a mesh on the lan so each serevr has two interfaces going to two seperate switches... might that cause problems? Now that i think about it i think that is where my problems started.... maybe doing fail over before the transfer is done.. |
| 08:22.09 | redhook | fiacha: ncftp is a nice command line linux ftp client |
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| 08:22.21 | Dewi | yeah I prefer ncftp as well |
| 08:22.29 | phorce1_home | Dewi: re-read his comment. It is *not* local |
| 08:22.44 | redhook | tired |
| 08:22.47 | fiacha | phorce1_home: yes, ok so what i am doing is not a good idea ;-)... will try ftp now instead.. cifs seems a little... |
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| 08:22.59 | anao2 | hello@all does anyone have link to setup debian on CF-Disk? |
| 08:23.18 | redhook | well you do not need to rsync over cifs, just mount the share and copy over |
| 08:23.29 | redhook | err scratch that |
| 08:23.35 | redhook | I should get some sleep |
| 08:23.38 | Dewi | phorce1_home: "It is all in lan" |
| 08:24.08 | phorce1_home | I use cifs between Debian and Winblow$ to move really big files all day long when I'm at home. But the machines are 50mm apart and plugged into the same GigE switch |
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| 08:24.41 | redhook | cifs works fine on enterprise scale networks |
| 08:25.09 | fiacha | well for me copying anything largevia cifs on that combination corrupt data. Going to try ncftp. Thanks for the help!!! |
| 08:25.34 | phorce1_home | Dewi: yeah, it was me who needed to re-read |
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| 08:26.08 | aminpy | I gived to anybody ssh from my vps, can I find he/she when connect to my vps? |
| 08:26.18 | fiacha | redhook: i think you are right, it's probably a hardware issue or problem with the mesh setup or a problem of the windows box. |
| 08:26.45 | redhook | you might want to chkdsk the drive |
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| 08:28.16 | phorce1_home | heads off to bed. Alarm set for 3 hours from now <sigh> |
| 08:28.34 | fiacha | redhook: will do.... but .. it's a san backend with enterprise storage... i would hope it's not a 'disk' issue :( |
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| 08:30.12 | redhook | I would hope not too |
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| 08:30.30 | redhook | probably just corrupted packets along the way |
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| 08:31.08 | redhook | at least you're not downloading a large iso via ftp over dialup and forgot to turn on binary mode |
| 08:31.14 | else- | is it possible to export a fs as a usb mass storage device? so i can connect another usb device to my computer (on a specific port) and it'll recognize it as a msd? |
| 08:31.17 | redhook | did that once |
| 08:32.45 | Dewi | else-: do you have a host-to-host cable? |
| 08:33.05 | else- | no, is there such a thing? |
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| 08:33.18 | Dewi | else-: how were you physically going to connect the two hosts? |
| 08:34.06 | else- | well, using some sort of cable ;) |
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| 08:34.40 | fiacha | redhook: yea, packet problem, not sure where or why though... |
| 08:35.24 | fiacha | Thanks for the quick help! I'm off... |
| 08:35.34 | redhook | else-: http://www.amazon.com/Inland-09723-Standard-Cable-Black/dp/B003P94RIE |
| 08:35.40 | Dewi | else-: I have never been sure how those worked in linux; google indicates you generally emulate a network over them http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ |
| 08:35.49 | Dewi | else-: rather the ums |
| 08:35.51 | redhook | wait, I thimk that's the wrong one |
| 08:35.55 | Dewi | rather than ums, even |
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| 08:36.58 | redhook | else-: http://www.amazon.com/Syba-SD-U2DLCAB-Cable-Support-Vista/dp/B001JQBUIK |
| 08:37.17 | redhook | I think I'm gonna passout now |
| 08:37.37 | else- | hm, okay. i wanted to connect my tv to my nas, so i don't think usbnet will work |
| 08:37.45 | else- | and it doesn't have something like dlna or |
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| 08:41.22 | Dewi | else-: I see |
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| 08:44.09 | SPF | how can I check in a bash script if the authorization host key is correctly installed on the remote host? |
| 08:44.22 | Dewi | else-: hmm, interesting - http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/file_storage.html |
| 08:46.13 | else- | sounds like what i am looking for? :) |
| 08:47.05 | Dewi | else-: hmm, this is newer, it's called g_mass_storage nowadays - http://www.balloonboard.org/balloonwiki/USBMassStorageHowto |
| 08:48.00 | Dewi | else-: so maybe that plus a 2-host-ends USB cable (like redhook's first link) is all you'd need? pretty cool if so |
| 08:48.19 | else- | yep, sounds great. i'll definitely try that |
| 08:48.36 | Dewi | else-: of course the big problem is your NAS has to stop being a NAS, or at least drop to read-only |
| 08:49.19 | else- | yeah, i was thinking about that too. additionally, i doubt that my tv supports ext4 filesystems ;) |
| 08:49.37 | else- | and i really don't wanna end up with vfat fs :P |
| 08:49.50 | Dewi | else-: UMS is a block-level protocol, and it's usually a bad idea to have 2 systems mounting the same FS, even if it's as simple as vfat |
| 08:50.14 | else- | sure |
| 08:50.22 | Dewi | else-: but it might work acceptably as long as one is strictly read-only (and tolerant of seeing the occasional inconsistent state) |
| 08:50.38 | else- | well read-only would be fine i assume |
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| 08:51.25 | Dewi | else-: mostly. It could also see partially completed writes is all |
| 08:51.26 | else- | it would be awesome though to be able to link a file from an ext4 partition into a vfat fs, altough i assume that won't work :P |
| 08:52.15 | Dewi | else-: that's starting to be a lot to ask :) |
| 08:52.21 | else- | :) |
| 08:53.02 | else- | thanks anyway for your help |
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| 08:53.18 | cahoot | does softlinks owrk over partitionboundaries? |
| 08:53.23 | somiaj | else-: can your tv play from a media server? |
| 08:53.27 | else- | no |
| 08:53.50 | Dewi | cahoot: yes |
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| 08:54.44 | cahoot | ok |
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| 08:55.51 | sephii | Damn I can't find anymore the shortcut to enter a multiline command in zsh, any idea ? |
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| 08:56.33 | else- | sephii: esc+enter |
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| 08:57.42 | sephii | else-: I remember another shortcut that opens the $EDITOR |
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| 08:58.48 | else- | sephii: http://distrustsimplicity.net/articles/zsh-command-editing |
| 08:58.52 | Dewi | sephii: try esc+b |
| 08:59.11 | Dewi | sephii: oh that's just back a word, nmind |
| 08:59.13 | lapsusbrutus | I have two keaboards connected. ane qwerty and one remapped dvorak, anyone knows how to ir if possible to write udevrules or sowe fancy script to setxkbmap different for both? |
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| 09:00.33 | Multiply | If exim4 is set to be in a single file, wouldn't it be /etc/exim4/exim4.conf ? |
| 09:01.21 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: Can't you just match on MatchProduct and MatchVender in a keyboard configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? (see "man 5 xorg.conf") |
| 09:01.29 | babilen | MatchVendor that is |
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| 09:01.52 | sephii | else-: I thought it was enabled by default... thanks for the link ! |
| 09:02.04 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: You might want to through in MatchIsKeyboard too |
| 09:02.13 | babilen | s/thorugh/throw :) |
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| 09:06.54 | oznt | hi everyone, i am really having difficulties with tmux on debian |
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| 09:07.21 | oznt | can't copy text to buffer, with vim mode, default mode works fine |
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| 09:16.49 | lapsusbrutus | babilen: Thanks, thats a great idea :D Ill look into that |
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| 09:18.29 | rypervenche | I'm running Xfce4.8 on Debian Wheezy. I recently purged GDM so I have no display manager. However, now when I press ctrl+alt+del, I am unable to choose shutdown or reboot, the buttons are grayed out. How can enable them? (I also cannot shutdown by pressing the power button) |
| 09:18.50 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: I just thought that it might be easier and actually more appropriate to do it this way. Haven't done it, but it just feels right. :) |
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| 09:19.28 | Name141 | How long are debian releases supported usually ? |
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| 09:20.36 | babilen | Name141: Until one year after the next release, but there are talks to prolong that period. Given that Debian releases roughly every two years you get about 3 years. |
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| 09:21.39 | Name141 | babilen: So is there something like Ubuntu's "LTS" (3 years) ? |
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| 09:22.08 | babilen | Name141: No, there are just standard Debian releases. |
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| 09:22.25 | Name141 | Ah. I was looking at turning an XP machine in to just a backup machine. |
| 09:22.36 | ompaul | Name141: and you should |
| 09:23.00 | ompaul | rypervenche: the only advice I'll offer is that you install xdm kdm or gdm |
| 09:23.17 | babilen | Name141: See,for example, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/01/msg00006.html for discussions about this. |
| 09:23.32 | Name141 | ompaul: Yeah, but I was not wanting to worry about updates and distros going boom if update goes wrong, etc |
| 09:24.29 | babilen | Name141: Yeah, Debian's stable releases are typically supported for 3 to 3 ½ years and you are advised to upgrade to the new stable release in the last year. |
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| 09:26.28 | ompaul | Name141: I'm running an awful lot of debian and debian based stuff for people (60 none techies) as their day to day desktops and your attitude would have me not able to work, I'd be sitting there looking like a rabbit at the headlights of an on coming car, so I rather just do it and if I need to fix something I do that too. |
| 09:26.35 | ompaul | not that I've had to |
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| 09:27.19 | jelly | Name141: a distro shouldn't go "boom" with a security update. |
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| 09:27.51 | ompaul | and if it does it might be called windows - not Debian ;-) |
| 09:27.55 | jelly | and when it's time to switch to a newer release, you do it in a test environment first |
| 09:28.54 | Name141 | ompaul: Or "mint" |
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| 09:29.29 | Name141 | I installed it, updated it.. Boom! |
| 09:29.36 | Name141 | but that's OT I guess. |
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| 09:31.53 | juampe | hi all |
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| 09:34.14 | CruX| | hi all, after my debian 6.0 is started, this process is started: |
| 09:34.14 | CruX| | root 990 0.0 0.0 1680 240 ? Ss 11:18 0:00 startpar -f -- rc.local |
| 09:34.17 | CruX| | strace tells it is sleeping on read(0,... syscall and fd 0 is /dev/ptms |
| 09:34.20 | CruX| | is this known bug ? |
| 09:34.50 | CruX| | * /dev/ptmx |
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| 09:44.59 | simonlnu | CruX|: did it run at all? is there an "exit 0" or : in it? (i.e., what's the contents of /etc/rc.local? ) |
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| 09:47.26 | CruX| | simonlnu: yes there is:/usr/local/soft/tss2_rc2/teamspeak &> /dev/null |
| 09:47.29 | CruX| | exit 0 |
| 09:47.32 | CruX| | that's all |
| 09:48.16 | bolt-work | CruX|: that should never exit until teamspeak shuts down |
| 09:48.22 | CruX| | there & at the end of line that i missed here |
| 09:48.26 | simonlnu | ok, so shouldn't matter *too* much |
| 09:48.38 | bolt-work | CruX|: also, that's really not the place for that. really. don't run such things as root. |
| 09:48.45 | bolt-work | CruX|: check out @reboot in crontab or something |
| 09:48.46 | simonlnu | probably a startpar bug.. |
| 09:49.13 | simonlnu | ah yes. don't run stuff like that there. sorry, i thought that was your pwd |
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| 09:49.24 | CruX| | yes i know |
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| 09:49.34 | CruX| | but there is no -f parameter in manual |
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| 09:49.49 | bolt-work | huh? |
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| 09:49.55 | simonlnu | *blink* |
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| 09:51.10 | CruX| | bolt-work: startpar has no -f parameter according to manpage |
| 09:51.24 | jelly | CruX|: try daemonizing that teamspeak thing properly |
| 09:51.47 | CruX| | jelly: /usr/local/soft/tss2_rc2/teamspeak &> /dev/null |
| 09:51.52 | CruX| | & is enough |
| 09:52.05 | jelly | CruX|: that's not it. either use start-stop-daemon, or the "daemon" tool |
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| 09:52.26 | bolt-work | and don't run it as roo |
| 09:52.27 | bolt-work | tt |
| 09:52.30 | Multiply | Is it possible to run with both exim, and sendmail at the same time? |
| 09:52.31 | bolt-work | gah |
| 09:52.50 | themill | !wayttd Multiply |
| 09:52.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Multiply? |
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| 09:52.59 | simonlnu | Multiply: er? why? they're both mtas... |
| 09:53.00 | jelly | Multiply: it's not possible to have them both installed at the same time with Debian |
| 09:53.30 | jelly | think migration and letting the old queue clean up with time |
| 09:53.31 | Multiply | exim is being a total jerk to setup properly, where as sendmail just purely works for Apache2/PHP5 :P |
| 09:53.40 | jelly | Multiply: use postfix! |
| 09:54.06 | Multiply | Pros/cons? |
| 09:54.11 | jelly | it works |
| 09:54.22 | bolt-work | works, isn't sendmail / none, really |
| 09:55.13 | themill | Multiply: sendmail wouldn't "just work" with php any more than exim would "just work". Both need configuring correctly. |
| 09:55.34 | Multiply | themill, sendmail have always worked as is, for me. |
| 09:55.42 | Multiply | I'm trying postfix now, tho |
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| 09:58.04 | StucKman | I´m trying to configure an http prozy for apt. the password includes a #, can that be a problem? |
| 09:58.09 | StucKman | proxy* |
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| 10:10.22 | yow | nsadmin & simonlnu, hi, just to let you guys know that i've downloaded p7zip_9.20.1_src_all.tar.bz2, compiled & made. It manage to decompress those files that are "PPMd" enable. Hence, the one (Ver 9.04) used in squeeze (wheezy & sid too?) is "buggy". tc & bye. |
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| 10:12.37 | iaj | hi there |
| 10:13.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can you help me please working with quotas |
| 10:13.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastebin.com/a5j6BrFx |
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| 10:13.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | I dont have anything in my /etc/quota files yet |
| 10:13.31 | iaj | I got a question - for compiling vim, it tells me I need a terminal library, but I cant install `apt-get install ncurses` -- ncurses has no installation candiate - I'm on lenny. |
| 10:13.33 | babilen | yow: That version is currently in experimental -- might enter sid soonish. |
| 10:13.35 | iaj | What may I do? |
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| 10:13.52 | babilen | iaj: Why are you compiling vim? |
| 10:13.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | I remounted my system with the userquota option, not sure why its complaining |
| 10:14.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... |
| 10:14.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i just umount and it worked.. |
| 10:14.19 | StucKman | yow: 9.20.1 is in experimental |
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| 10:14.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | i'm good nm |
| 10:15.03 | StucKman | iaj: libncurses5-dev or similar |
| 10:15.04 | iaj | ncurses-dev was missing -- babilen yeah |
| 10:15.13 | StucKman | iaj: try apt-cache search -n curses |
| 10:15.19 | yow | babilen & StuckDK, yes, but i found that there's been no activity/follow-up since 08 Apr 2011?! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620619 |
| 10:15.57 | babilen | iaj: I am quite sure you need libncurses5-dev too, check out the build-deps of vim -- But why are you compiling it? |
| 10:16.29 | StucKman | iaj: also: apt-get build-dep vim |
| 10:16.52 | babilen | yow: Would be great if you could try that package and send a reply to that bug with your experiences. That is a nice way to ping the maintainer. |
| 10:16.54 | yow | babilen StuckDK, i hope it'll be added soon. Anyway, I thought of adding "experimental" to my apt source (and possibly using apt pinning/preferences, however, after discussion with some ppl here, it seems that it's not a good idea. is it? |
| 10:17.28 | babilen | yow: No, it is not. You can compile the package yourself though. You are using squeeze aren't you? |
| 10:17.29 | yow | babilen, good idea. i will do that later |
| 10:17.38 | StucKman | yow: you can always download the file and install with dpkg -i |
| 10:17.45 | yow | babilen, yes, im using squeeze |
| 10:18.24 | RichiH | great, i have a process which can not be killed via kill -9 |
| 10:18.27 | RichiH | but it's state R |
| 10:18.55 | RichiH | fwiw, it's ccze |
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| 10:19.02 | babilen | yow: I would recommend to compile the source package yourself. Either download the source package and follow "/msg dpkg package recompile" or adapt "/msg dpkg ssb" to experimental. |
| 10:19.06 | yow | babilen & StucKman, that's what i did, download the source and compile it. I think either adding the experimental repo or `dpkg -i' is somewhat risky as it may mess up my squeeze installation |
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| 10:19.27 | yow | babilen, agree. that's what i did. |
| 10:19.35 | Collateral | hi, after dist-upgrade i cant start vbox-vms anymore. i dont remember this m-a stuff. what can i do? |
| 10:20.04 | babilen | iaj: Is "/msg dpkg package recompile" or "/msg dpkg ssb" what you are trying to do? Are you aware of "aptitude build-dep vim" ? |
| 10:20.14 | Multiply | jelly, postfix seems to ignore the headers php sends. Where would I go about fixing that? |
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| 10:20.33 | Multiply | Well, not ignoring, but not using the "From:" anyway. |
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| 10:21.22 | babilen | Collateral: I would recommend to install the -dkms- packages which will take care of module recompilations when needed. You upgraded from what to what? |
| 10:21.29 | StucKman | yow: did you generate a .deb and installed it? |
| 10:21.36 | yow | babilen & StucKman, just an additional question if u don't mind. do u know why the xchat2 (2.8.8-3) used in squeeze is "buggy"? i said that because it shows/transmit my system login id when i issue a `/whois' but i reckon it should display the nick that i set up in the conf file, right? |
| 10:21.51 | Collateral | babilen, i was told, that we dont need dkms. |
| 10:22.17 | babilen | yow: No, your nick and your system account (i.e. ident) are both part of your IRC hostmask -- check mine. |
| 10:22.20 | yow | StucKman, no, i did not generate a .deb package. in fact, i did not even `make install', i just ran `./7z ...' |
| 10:23.18 | StucKman | yow: it´s better to try to backport the packages as babilen says and see if the package works, then you can answer the bugreport, again, as babilen says :) |
| 10:23.28 | yow | babilen, what i get is: ~babilen@unaffiliated/babilen, i don't think ~babilen is your system login account, is it? |
| 10:23.41 | babilen | yow: Actually it is :) |
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| 10:25.13 | babilen | yow: Not the '~' which just means that ident is not available. But this is outside of this channel's scope. |
| 10:25.31 | yow | babilen, really? i thought if i set "mike" as my nick, then, /whois shoud show mike@@219.85.203.200 instead of kcyow@@219.85.203.200?? |
| 10:25.50 | babilen | Collateral: You don't *need* dkms, but it handles upgrades like this automagically. |
| 10:25.56 | Geezer | Hello! I'm installing debian and the netinstall can't connect to any mirrors. What's the problem? |
| 10:26.07 | babilen | yow: Lets continue this in #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:26.59 | StucKman | Geezer: network problem? |
| 10:27.13 | yow | StucKman, do u mean i put the experimental repo to my apt source and install it via aptitude and test if it works? report back to that bug report if everything works fine? |
| 10:27.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i am having problems installing disk quotas can you help me please |
| 10:27.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | quotacheck: Cannot guess format from filename on /dev/mapper/morpheus_lvm_grp-teddy. Please specify format on commandline. |
| 10:27.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry! |
| 10:27.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | i copied the wrong thing.. |
| 10:27.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastebin.com/a5j6BrFx |
| 10:27.43 | yow | babilen, ok. thx |
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| 10:27.56 | StucKman | yow: no, either just download the .deb files and install with dpkg -i, or following babilen´s idea |
| 10:28.53 | Geezer | StucKman: I'm using wifi connection, I configured it manually |
| 10:29.15 | StucKman | Geezer: are you sure it woks? |
| 10:29.23 | StucKman | Geezer: do you get any specific error? |
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| 10:29.49 | yow | StucKman, if im not mistaken, babilen just suggested me to compile. but, if i get you correctly, what you suggested is to compile & generate a .deb and try installing it using `dpkg -i'? is that what you mean? |
| 10:30.10 | StucKman | yow: not exactly |
| 10:30.23 | babilen | yow: I suggested to compile the Debian package for Squeeze (i.e. backport it manually) and install the resulting .deb |
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| 10:32.10 | StucKman | yow: you can go f.i. to http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/p7zip/ and download the .debs by hand, then install with dpkg-i |
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| 10:33.45 | StucKman | or you can go to the same place, download the tar.gz, .asc and .diff.gz and follow the instructions here: /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 10:35.25 | Geezer | StucKman: basically it tells its an bad mirror, but it must be a network problem because none of the mirrors work at all |
| 10:35.55 | StucKman | Geezer: yeah, I also noticed that the installer is not very verbose about errors |
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| 10:36.21 | StucKman | maybe you should use a http proxy? |
| 10:36.34 | Geezer | what for? |
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| 10:37.41 | StucKman | Geezer: sorry, wrong suggestion |
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| 10:38.51 | Geezer | StucKman: I guess the problem lies within the wifi configuration, but I already double checked the essid and wep key |
| 10:39.05 | StucKman | Geezer: can you ping the router? |
| 10:39.46 | Multiply | How do I make postfix send mails from what it's feeded, thru the "headers", ie. "From: Someone <someone@domain.com>"? |
| 10:41.25 | StucKman | Multiply: maybe that question is more suitable for #postfix? |
| 10:41.49 | Geezer | StucKman: how do I ping within the net installation interface? |
| 10:41.54 | themill | Multiply: do you mean "How do I set the envelope address with postfix" or "How do I set the From: header with postfix"? These are quite different questions and you need to be clear about what it is you're trying to achieve. |
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| 10:42.40 | StucKman | themill: he can even mean ´send the mail in a way depending on the From header´ |
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| 10:45.53 | Multiply | themill, the latter. |
| 10:46.14 | yow | babilen, sorry for my misunderstand or for mis-reading your prev msgs. frankly, i've never generate .deb before. i hope it's not difficult to do that. i can try that later |
| 10:46.27 | Geezer | StucKman: I enabled something called 'auto-ip' in the router and now it works. Thanks |
| 10:46.36 | babilen | yow: Have fun, come back if you run into problems. :) |
| 10:46.41 | Multiply | The problem is that we have more than one domain sending out mails, and I hoped postfix could simply use the "From:" that's set in the header information, php gives it. |
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| 10:47.57 | yow | StucKman, as for installing the generated or downloaded (backport) .deb. im rather hesitated to do that as im not sure i want it to interfere with my "standard" squeeze installation/system setup. but, i may be able to try it in a virtual machine later when im more free |
| 10:48.05 | yow | babilen, i will, thx |
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| 10:49.41 | themill | Multiply: I'm still not sure of the use case here -- the envelope is about who is sending the message (your webserver is, so www-data); the From header should reflect the human-readable route as to where it came from and is what is seen by the end user. |
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| 10:50.28 | babilen | yow: You could also do it in a chroot -- I like to use cowbuilder for these tasks (building + testing) a VM is perfectly fine as well though. |
| 10:50.29 | Multiply | Right now I can go with anything, really. I just need it working. |
| 10:50.59 | Multiply | themill, as long as what the end-user sees, is the 'sender' being "someone@domain.com" |
| 10:51.17 | themill | Multiply: that's the From header that the thing that generates the email should be writing. |
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| 10:53.13 | Multiply | themill alright. I'll check the error logs, and see why it doesn't get thru |
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| 10:55.33 | Multiply | themill, now that works. Only problem is we have multiple domains sending out emails. I don't quite mind the www-data in front of the @, but how can I make it change host accordingly? |
| 10:56.11 | yow | babilen, learn something new today --- cowbuilder! thx! :) Frankly, i always trying to understand and use chroot but i have not yet understood it and afraid to even try it :( i know i should try harder and perhaps try to use it, will see.. |
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| 11:01.31 | `Lynx | can someone tell me what I need to download to get *.mp3 to work? |
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| 11:02.15 | `Lynx | also, my computer name is set to be 'something.info' but at terminal it shows as username@something not username@something.info, any idea? |
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| 11:04.41 | deepy | `Lynx: mplayer? |
| 11:04.43 | mkzet | `Lynx try vlc |
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| 11:06.38 | jelly | Multiply: is your php giving /usr/sbin/sendmail the -f option when piping mail for delivery? |
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| 11:07.48 | jelly | reads the backlog |
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| 11:08.41 | Multiply | jelly, yes. |
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| 11:12.51 | Multiply | jelly, if it is not present, it'll send from www-data@domain.com. |
| 11:12.56 | `Lynx | deepy & mkzet ok |
| 11:13.04 | `Lynx | what about the computer's name |
| 11:13.14 | `Lynx | why it doesnt show what's after the dot in terminal? |
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| 11:15.27 | syockit | I want an alternative to gucharmap, kcharselect, charmap.app with the least gui dependency |
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| 11:19.11 | lapsusbrutus | Lynx: moc (mocp) is a great and light music player | aptitude install moc, run using mocp |
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| 11:20.37 | `Lynx | lapsusbrutus: i've got a mp3 player but its asking me for mepg layer bla bla |
| 11:20.46 | `Lynx | to play any music that is under mp3 format |
| 11:25.01 | lapsusbrutus | `Lynx: Libmp3lame0 maybe? |
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| 11:37.06 | Luca | hello, trying to install a gui + vnc on a debian VPS, this is the command I initially used: apt-get install xorg gdm gnome-desktop-environment. But I get errors |
| 11:37.15 | Luca | http://pastebin.com/M6L5Gwf7 |
| 11:38.08 | nkuttler | Luca: um, are you running testing or sid? |
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| 11:38.46 | nkuttler | Luca: i also doubt that your vps has anything that the os recognizes as graphics hardware |
| 11:39.12 | Luca | I dont know my linux, testing sid? are you refering to repository stuff? |
| 11:39.15 | themill | the complete output of the run would be handy |
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| 11:39.30 | Luca | I recall using the same hw node from this provider to install a gui on CentOS and it worked |
| 11:39.42 | Luca | this is debian 6 though |
| 11:39.59 | Luca | how can I see the complete output in putty? |
| 11:41.29 | nkuttler | Luca: may i ask why you're even trying to install x on the box? |
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| 11:42.23 | Luca | I thought it is a requirement to run gnome on it |
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| 11:42.41 | nkuttler | why do you want to run gnome on it? |
| 11:42.56 | abrotman | !tell MaDHaTTeR_999 about root |
| 11:43.08 | Luca | for ease of operation |
| 11:43.19 | Luca | please don't give me the servers shouldnt run guis anyway talk |
| 11:43.27 | abrotman | servers shouyldn't run GUIs |
| 11:43.37 | nkuttler | Luca: do you know about ssh -X ? |
| 11:43.45 | nkuttler | oh, servers shouldn't run GUIs anyway |
| 11:44.15 | Luca | in theory the command I used should have worked? |
| 11:44.25 | nkuttler | you didn't even show us your command |
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| 11:44.32 | Luca | maybe it's a vps problem |
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| 11:44.39 | Luca | yes I did |
| 11:44.43 | Luca | see my first message |
| 11:44.51 | Luca | to install |
| 11:45.04 | abrotman | use aptitude |
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| 11:46.31 | abrotman | Luca: and you can use the 'script' command to get us all of the output instead of the trailing section that's not much help |
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| 11:51.01 | themill | wonders how long it will be before Luca comes back with "gdm won't let me log in as root" |
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| 11:53.27 | nkuttler | heh |
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| 11:59.06 | Luca | there full output: |
| 11:59.07 | Luca | http://pastebin.com/kTJ2eDsG |
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| 12:00.55 | Woet | Luca: servers shouldn't run GUIs |
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| 12:01.10 | fago161 | hey guys |
| 12:01.40 | boudiccas | fago161; i'm not a guy, i'm female |
| 12:01.41 | Luca | Woet: <Luca> please don't give me the servers shouldnt run guis anyway talk |
| 12:01.47 | Luca | you trolling? |
| 12:01.48 | Luca | :D |
| 12:01.51 | Woet | then don't ask for help |
| 12:02.17 | fago161 | oh sorry boudiccas! hey guyene!? ;) |
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| 12:02.25 | Woet | Luca: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 12:05.20 | Luca | I am trying to fix a problem, you are posting non related stuff based on your ideology, telling me about your beliefs doesn't solve this problem |
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| 12:05.38 | Woet | Luca: why do you need a GUI? |
| 12:05.52 | amoe | hey, anyone know a CLI tool to time repeated execution of a command and give the average! |
| 12:05.59 | amoe | question mark was meant there |
| 12:06.25 | amoe | Like /usr/bin/time but with the ability to average multiple runs |
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| 12:06.43 | Luca | Woet: Why do you need a car? |
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| 12:07.14 | cromag | amoe: man average |
| 12:07.23 | Woet | Luca: please answer the question :) |
| 12:07.35 | Luca | correct, I don't need one either, but I just like to have one anyway for convenience |
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| 12:09.36 | Luca | so did anyone look at the full output ? :o |
| 12:10.36 | themill | line 39 is the actual error; the rest just flows from that. |
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| 12:11.25 | Geezer | Brand new installation of debian hangs at graphical startup |
| 12:11.32 | amoe | thanks cromag |
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| 12:15.13 | ZykoticK9 | Geezer, you may want to try the kernel parameter "nomodeset"... |
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| 12:19.10 | Geezer | ZykoticK9: it still hangs when gdm is starting |
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| 12:20.24 | ZykoticK9 | Geezer, sorry - i don't personally have any other suggestions. Best of luck. |
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| 12:40.14 | tvst | Hey all, where can I get help with Debian packaging? |
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| 12:43.42 | babilen | tvst: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org |
| 12:43.51 | tvst | Thanks |
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| 12:55.39 | menlo | . |
| 12:55.48 | menlo | morning all :-) |
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| 12:56.44 | boudiccas | menlo; afternoon |
| 12:56.54 | menlo | trying to clean up errors in my recent squeeze installation. Looking at syslog, my wpasupplilcant driver is tossing an AP error every minute. I want to debug it... so I have some basic questions |
| 12:57.11 | ffrank | hi. I notice that Squeeze servers insist on setting ulimit -n 1024 on my sudo sessions. I have a /etc/security/limits.conf that specifies higher limits. strace and pam debug indicate that the file is read, but the 1024 limit is used regardless. any ideas? |
| 12:58.35 | menlo | how can I discover the actual wireless device driver version... where does the device driver file live? |
| 12:58.38 | ffrank | this is the limits.conf: http://www.pastie.org/2027164 |
| 12:58.49 | menlo | (I can just use the fiel command |
| 12:58.54 | menlo | file |
| 13:00.05 | nkuttler | menlo: isn't the driver included in the kernel? |
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| 13:00.15 | menlo | @ffrank did you play with the ulimit command? |
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| 13:00.30 | cahoot | menlo, lspci -k | grep -i net, /sbin/modinfo < the module > |
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| 13:01.14 | jordanm | ffrank: does your current shell have the ulimit prior to using sudo? |
| 13:01.19 | ffrank | menlo: that works, but I want my sudo-launched commands to use the configured limits right away (or for that matter - any pam-powered process) |
| 13:01.29 | menlo | @nkuttler yes, thanks. Just that there are 'issues' depending on the version, so I wanted to figure out the version that was placed into 2.6.32-5 |
| 13:01.38 | menlo | then figure out what to do from there |
| 13:01.40 | ffrank | jordanm: pre-sudo has acceptable limits |
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| 13:04.59 | menlo | @cahoot how do I designate the real mod name from the lspci info? (Just put quotes around the name mentioned in lspci?) |
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| 13:05.28 | ffrank | could this be some kind of regression in pam? removing the whole /etc/security/limits.conf makes the problem go away. |
| 13:05.46 | babilen | menlo: Isn't the information from modinfo enough? |
| 13:05.57 | cahoot | see the name at 'Kernel driver in use' |
| 13:06.24 | cahoot | doh - misunderstood the q |
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| 13:06.41 | babilen | cahoot: I had the same feeling (and thought you understood it correctly) |
| 13:06.51 | wolfric | should man crypt work in debian? My newest setup from v 6.0 shows no such man page |
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| 13:07.50 | wolfric | i'm really just trying to find out how debian hashes passwords and if i can change it |
| 13:08.03 | jhala | can anyone tell me about dns services in lenny |
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| 13:08.14 | babilen | wolfric: It should, you are probably missing some manpage packages such as manpages, manpages-dev, manpages-posix or manpages-posix-dev |
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| 13:11.43 | manolis_ | when there is an x86-64 version of a package available upstream as source while there's only a x86-32 version on the repos, what do we do? inform the maintainer? |
| 13:11.45 | Bushmills | manpages-dev for crypt(3) |
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| 13:13.07 | wolfric | babilen: nope but manpages-posix doesn't seem to exist if i do a apt-cache search or apt-get install |
| 13:13.13 | Bushmills | jhala: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System |
| 13:13.42 | themill | manolis_: what package? |
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| 13:13.48 | manolis_ | mit-scheme |
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| 13:14.00 | manolis_ | I just installed manually through the sources on a 64bit machine. |
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| 13:14.09 | manolis_ | +it |
| 13:14.09 | MadHaTTeR666 | i think i got it |
| 13:14.17 | MadHaTTeR666 | i did |
| 13:15.09 | themill | !dbugs 365530 |
| 13:15.14 | dpkg | #365530:W[mit-scheme] mit-scheme: Support for more arches. (); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:18:02 UTC [] |
| 13:15.38 | Justin | wolfric: manpages-posix is in non-free |
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| 13:15.47 | themill | manolis_: ^^ you might want to ping this bug with this information and add the download URL for the maintainer there. |
| 13:15.57 | manolis_ | great, thanx. |
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| 13:17.20 | MadHaTTeR666 | there |
| 13:17.28 | themill | manolis_: the maintainer might not be very active any more though -- see how you go. |
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| 13:19.24 | manolis_ | yes, there doesn't seem to be a x86-64 version on unstable/testing either. |
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| 13:20.04 | UukGoblin | hi guys, trying to install flashplugin-nonfree I get ERROR: wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.i386.pgp.asc |
| 13:20.17 | UukGoblin | flashplugin-nonfree (1:2.8.3) on sid |
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| 13:20.31 | babilen | ,file /usr/share/man/man3/crypt.3.gz |
| 13:20.35 | judd | /usr/share/man/man3/crypt.3.gz in squeeze/i386: manpages-dev: usr/share/man/man3/crypt.3.gz |
| 13:20.39 | babilen | wolfric: ^^^^ |
| 13:20.53 | UukGoblin | opening the link in browser seems to work... hmm... |
| 13:21.07 | babilen | wolfric: And the -posix manpages are in non-free |
| 13:22.30 | babilen | UukGoblin: Are you behind a proxy? |
| 13:22.41 | jhala | Bushmills: i want to setup this service just for one system. i have an ip hosted as a vps and a purchased domain name which i want to set as hostname |
| 13:23.02 | wolfric | really? man posix non free? |
| 13:23.04 | UukGoblin | babilen, hrm I might have been earlier, but I'm not now... might be some old settings... but I've just ran wget on that file from the same shell as I run apt-get, and it downloaded the file fine... |
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| 13:23.11 | jordanm | jhala: you don't have to host the DNS on the same machine |
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| 13:23.18 | wolfric | that's a bit odd isn't it, why what are they licensed under? |
| 13:23.18 | babilen | wolfric: really |
| 13:23.24 | jordanm | jhala: just point the A records at your box with your registrar |
| 13:23.41 | Bushmills | jhala: install an authoritative name server, configure it. |
| 13:24.02 | jhala | Bushmills: i have installed bind9 and dnsutils. |
| 13:24.24 | Bushmills | but for public service, you may want more than one name server |
| 13:24.25 | jordanm | jhala: what is the need to host the DNS locally? |
| 13:24.30 | lorenzosu | Doing a wheezy netinstall nearly at the end the graphical install asks for another CD? What's up? |
| 13:24.34 | babilen | wolfric: It is a very old thing -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=234205 |
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| 13:24.55 | jhala | Bushmills: exactly what is the need for two nameservers? |
| 13:25.18 | Bushmills | some registries require two ip adresses when delegating authority |
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| 13:25.35 | jordanm | both IPs can point to the same machine though |
| 13:25.44 | jordanm | still thinks the whole thing is pointless |
| 13:25.53 | jhala | yes even i think the same. |
| 13:25.59 | wolfric | babilen: *facepalm* that's a bit far now isn't it |
| 13:26.07 | jhala | and what about this ipv4 and ipv6 conversions. |
| 13:26.14 | wolfric | they seem to be really anal about this stuff don't they |
| 13:26.15 | UukGoblin | babilen, I've just ran update-flashplugin-nonfree --install (without --fast like the postinst script does) and it downloaded ./install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz, but then said: ERROR: sha512sum rejected install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz |
| 13:26.16 | jhala | will all of us be changing something |
| 13:26.47 | UukGoblin | babilen, (my domain name resolution seems a bit slow so I decided to omit the undocumented --fast, whatever it does) |
| 13:27.07 | themill | wolfric: requiring every CD manufacturer to include that disclaimer on any Debian CD case would be an unrealistic expectation. The "obnoxious advertising clause" of many licences is problematic in this way. |
| 13:27.43 | babilen | UukGoblin: Could you try "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 13:28.19 | wolfric | themill: it never said it had to be distributed on the case |
| 13:28.57 | wolfric | themill: what's the difference beteween having to include that and having to include the gpl license with software |
| 13:29.30 | UukGoblin | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/118982/ |
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| 13:30.13 | babilen | UukGoblin: Looks as if there is a new flash version and the sha has not been updated yet. |
| 13:30.15 | jhala | Bushmills: is there any effect on ipv6 conversion to the present name resolution |
| 13:30.31 | UukGoblin | babilen, cool thanks |
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| 13:31.24 | babilen | UukGoblin: It will probably be resolved as soon as bartm manages to update the sha ... Please check also check the BTS (http://bugs.debian.org) |
| 13:31.43 | UukGoblin | babilen, ok, not urgent, I'll try later, thanks :-) |
| 13:31.52 | babilen | UukGoblin: Wonderful :) |
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| 13:35.53 | babilen | UukGoblin: Have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626654 -- You could just file a similar bug report, it'll let Bart know that something has to be done. (run "reportbug flashplugin-nonfree") |
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| 13:36.56 | UukGoblin | babilen, ok, let me install reportbug |
| 13:37.00 | mah454 | How can i configure samba (smbd,nmbd) with xinetd ? |
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| 13:45.25 | n0ah727482883484 | Internet. Serious business. |
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| 13:46.53 | themill | wolfric: "This notice shall appear on any product containing this material." not "in" but "on". There's a difference. The terms involving modifications were also problematic iirc. |
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| 13:48.26 | wolfric | ah i see |
| 13:48.39 | wolfric | themill: thanks. |
| 13:49.21 | themill | wolfric: tbh, this is probably just another case where people should use an existing licence that is well-written rather than trying to make up their own. |
| 13:51.40 | varx | Hey all, I'm trying to make a .deb with CPack, and I'm having some trouble. Can someone with experience here help me a little? I have the package made, but I'm getting errors and I don't really know why. |
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| 13:53.22 | menlo | @babilen SO got distracted but back - I am having issues with wpasupplicant errors kicking off every minute to teh syslog. I wanted to figure out what version the kernel loaded and compare it to the RELNOTES / known issues with what is loaded. Strange part is I am not currently connected to any wireless, and previous versions of ralink 2680 had known bugginess in general. |
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| 13:53.58 | menlo | @bablien so I figure - discover the version, figure out known issues of what is loaded and then see if anyone has come up with a 'fix' |
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| 13:54.20 | jhala | Bushmills: so i need to have three ips in hand . two nameservers and one for machine server to install dns service? |
| 13:54.40 | babilen | menlo: So, modinfo (or the source in the kernel thereof) doesn't provide that information? |
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| 13:55.56 | menlo | @babilen what command line options do I run on modinfo to parse the exact driver version? |
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| 13:56.36 | menlo | tried to check out the man page, but it is not immediately clear to me |
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| 13:57.14 | Geezer | Why does the gdm appearance seem 'low quality' in squeeze? |
| 13:57.35 | Geezer | the buttons look like they came from an old version |
| 13:57.45 | babilen | menlo: You figure out the module and run "modinfo module" -- It is typically the version that shipped with the kernel unless there are Debian specific patches. |
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| 14:08.25 | wols | can debian sue for trademark dilution against this webian nonsense by mozilla? |
| 14:09.05 | ausfall | hi guys |
| 14:09.09 | Luca | Finally fixed this |
| 14:09.17 | Luca | by uninstalling debian and going CentOS :D |
| 14:09.25 | ausfall | what would be recommend me for server monitoring (debian lenny, apache, nginx, memcached and etc) |
| 14:09.31 | ausfall | I am currently using cacti |
| 14:09.45 | UukGoblin | babilen, submitted http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=629415 |
| 14:10.11 | babilen | UukGoblin: thank you |
| 14:10.16 | UukGoblin | the email address is not anti-spam obfuscated :-[ |
| 14:10.58 | babilen | UukGoblin: I haven't had any problems with it |
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| 14:11.54 | UukGoblin | babilen, interesting, well fortunataly I've given a designated address for that and will be able to filter easily in case of trouble |
| 14:12.19 | babilen | UukGoblin: Good thing that. :) |
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| 14:14.06 | ausfall | I have checked few others, collectd, munin, zabbix and etc. What are you guys using for monitoring your servers? (multiple nodes) |
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| 14:20.25 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 14:20.43 | babilen | hei Bartzy |
| 14:20.45 | Bartzy|work | I have a package that depends on apache and I probably installed apache because of it. Now I want to remove that package, but not remove apache. |
| 14:21.08 | Bartzy|work | when I use aptitude purge roundcube , it wants to remove apache2 and php5 (several packages). I don't want to remove those. |
| 14:21.12 | babilen | Bartzy|work: Run "aptitude unmarkauto package_you_want_to_keep" |
| 14:21.21 | Bartzy|work | thank you. |
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| 14:22.16 | babilen | probably apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 14:23.04 | varx | So here's a more specific question... I made a .deb package with CPack, and when I try to install it, it seems that it doesn't make the folders for the data files before trying to extract the files, i.e. /usr/lib/foo isn't created before it tries to write /usr/lib/foo/bar.so. What's the problem? |
| 14:23.10 | maxime__ | hello guys |
| 14:23.11 | Bartzy|work | babilen: if I purge apache, it will remove /var/www ? |
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| 14:23.53 | maxime__ | I fucked my crypted swap partition while installing Ubuntu (which uses a non-crypted swap partition) |
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| 14:24.05 | maxime__ | now, my Debian does not boot anymore |
| 14:24.16 | klr99 | hello, I've got a problem after apt-get upgrade, now my libc6 wants libc-dev-bin of 2.11 version, but 2.13 is installed, it doesnt upgrade without new kernel, how to rollback to previous versions ?? |
| 14:24.17 | maxime__ | "cryptsetup: lvm is not available" |
| 14:24.48 | wols | !tell klr99 about bat |
| 14:25.15 | maxime__ | so, what can I do to make a crypted swap parition again ? (from the Debian install CD) |
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| 14:25.27 | babilen | Bartzy|work: I don't think so (from reading /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.2-common.postrm) and I would be surprised if your data there is deleted, but I am not 100% sure |
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| 14:25.55 | klr99 | wols, http://paste.debian.net/118987/ |
| 14:25.59 | wols | babilen: is there ever a time user created data is removed? mysql DBs maybe? |
| 14:26.16 | daemonkeeper | Packages only delete files they own. Apache does not own files in /var/www *you* installed. |
| 14:26.24 | babilen | indeed |
| 14:26.39 | wols | ,versions libc6 |
| 14:26.41 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-4; wheezy: 2.13-4 |
| 14:26.46 | babilen | s/surprise/quite surprised and rc-buggy angry calling for tar and feathers/ |
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| 14:26.53 | wols | klr99: you seem to be mixing debian branches |
| 14:27.04 | babilen | yow: Purging openbsd-inetd is probably a good way |
| 14:27.04 | klr99 | probably, which one do i use then |
| 14:27.31 | wols | you have no choice. you must use sid since you already foolishly installed stuff from there |
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| 14:28.41 | klr99 | wols: do I upgrade kernel then ? |
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| 14:28.42 | yow | babilen, sorry but i don't understand what u mean by "Purging"? |
| 14:28.45 | wols | klr99: dpkg -l libc* tho only the few libc/libc6 packages mentioned in your paste are important |
| 14:28.47 | mattltm-alt | Hi all :) |
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| 14:29.05 | wols | klr99: it's not the kernel you need to upgrade. what did you do? why is there sid in the sources.list? |
| 14:29.06 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell yow about purge |
| 14:29.06 | yow | babilen, will it affect any other application? |
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| 14:29.54 | babilen | yow: Probably not, "aptitude why openbsd-inetd" will tell you why it is installed. |
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| 14:30.39 | mattltm-alt | I have a strange problem with an apt upgrade. When running "apt-get upgrade" it downloads the changelogs and then displays it in the terminal. The only way out is to ctrl-C which then stops the upgrade. Any ideas on how to resolve this? |
| 14:30.41 | klr99 | wols: i did run atp-get upgrade |
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| 14:30.48 | klr99 | wols: now i cant upgrade anything or update |
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| 14:31.06 | mattltm-alt | http://youtu.be/oOJeZhZ4n-s |
| 14:31.15 | klr99 | wols: it says cant install libc6 2.13-4 - because kernel is < 2.16 something |
| 14:31.34 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.39 | maxime__ | what can I do to make a crypted swap partition again ? (from the Debian install CD) |
| 14:31.52 | MrBean | hi, is there a list of candidate packages for debian? how do I know if somebody is porting my favorite program? |
| 14:31.58 | wols | maxime__: you create it like you did before? |
| 14:31.58 | klr99 | wols: i installed debian 6.0 and tried to install php 5.3 |
| 14:32.00 | babilen | mattltm-alt: "q" will end that dialogue |
| 14:32.18 | karlpinc_ | maxime__: Or you read the install guide? |
| 14:32.25 | wols | klr99: I do not believe you |
| 14:32.27 | stew | MrBean: /msg dpkg rfp ; /msg dpkg itp ; /msg dpkg new |
| 14:32.31 | babilen | mattltm-alt: ah, I misconstrued -- What is the actual problem? |
| 14:32.37 | mattltm-alt | Ahh. I knew it must be somthing simple that I was missing! Thanks babilen :) |
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| 14:33.02 | maxime__ | wols, I didn't created it manually, but during the installation |
| 14:33.08 | mattltm-alt | the problem was that I had never seen apt do that before. |
| 14:33.09 | wols | klr99: hint: php5.3 is already in squeeze |
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| 14:33.20 | MrBean | stew: thanks |
| 14:33.20 | klr99 | wols: okay may be it was npm and nodejs |
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| 14:33.34 | klr99 | somebody told me to add this to sources.list in this chan a while ago |
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| 14:34.16 | wols | klr99: another lie. people in here don't tell people new to debian to run sid |
| 14:34.31 | wols | and truly no one tells them to mix squeeze and sid |
| 14:34.38 | abrotman | or if they did, they were an idiot |
| 14:34.55 | babilen | indeed -- unless it was intentional trolling and no regular was around. |
| 14:34.56 | wols | abrotman: stop calling me names! |
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| 14:35.09 | klr99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.16 | wols | klr99: what is your kernel version? uname -r |
| 14:35.29 | klr99 | 2.6.18-164.11.1. |
| 14:35.34 | babilen | klr99: Please forgive this slip. |
| 14:35.40 | abrotman | klr99: what is /etc/debian_version |
| 14:35.52 | klr99 | wheezy/sid |
| 14:35.52 | babilen | guesses openvz VPS somewhere |
| 14:36.03 | babilen | that does not compute |
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| 14:36.09 | wols | klr99: reinstall |
| 14:36.12 | kikokos | hi :) |
| 14:36.22 | wols | babilen: sure. he tried (unsuccessfully) to switch to sid |
| 14:36.25 | babilen | kikokos: welcome! Have a cookie :) |
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| 14:37.00 | jelly | klr99: do you remember which day you were told to add "sid" or "testing" to your stable system to gain php 5.3 or by whom? |
| 14:37.03 | wols | klr99: you are in a VPS, you cannot change your kernel and your kernel version will simply not work with sid. reinstall squeeze and this time don't install .deb packages from sid |
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| 14:37.43 | klr99 | oh well ok so |
| 14:37.54 | klr99 | squeeze: is it debian 6 |
| 14:38.21 | kikokos | I installed D6.0 on my asus eee701, however it was impossible to install it with grub cause sda is pendrive and sdc is harddrive and grub don't want to be on sdc. So actually I've run live distro (dsl) and thought that would be cool to install grub on sdc - but sdc is hdc (after checking fdisk) and I have no idea how to do it now... |
| 14:38.40 | wols | klr99: yes |
| 14:38.42 | klr99 | wols: what is SID anyway ? |
| 14:38.49 | wols | !sid |
| 14:38.49 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; . Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 14:39.06 | klr99 | probably that was added for npm |
| 14:39.16 | wols | klr99: sid is the unstable version of debian which is simply psychotic and regularly break your toys |
| 14:39.22 | kikokos | I've mounted debian system, and I wonder now how to install grub on it, please any suggestion? |
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| 14:39.35 | klr99 | is there any way to remove all packages and install new without reinstall ?? |
| 14:39.57 | jelly | klr99: npm? |
| 14:39.58 | wols | !tell kikokos about fixmbr |
| 14:40.06 | klr99 | jelly: node package manager |
| 14:40.08 | themill | ,info npm --release sid |
| 14:40.09 | judd | Package npm (web, extra) in sid/i386: package manager for nodejs. Version: 0.2.19-1; Size: 140.7k; Installed: 804k; Homepage: http://github.com/isaacs/npm |
| 14:40.16 | jhala | kikokos: apt-get install grub or grub2 |
| 14:40.45 | klr99 | ,info npm --release squeeze |
| 14:40.45 | judd | No record of package 'npm' in squeeze/i386. |
| 14:40.47 | themill | klr99: first, remove all the non-squeeze bits from your sources.list, then "apt-get update" and then run the command dpkg will give you if you "/msg dpkg not available" and give us a list of all the packages that are not from stable. |
| 14:40.57 | kikokos | jhala, but now? when I run live-dsl? |
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| 14:41.32 | jhala | kikokos: so there is nothing installed already |
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| 14:41.48 | klr99 | themill: dpkg what arguments for that? |
| 14:41.52 | kikokos | jhala, there is installed debian but without grub |
| 14:42.05 | themill | dpkg: tell klr99 about not available |
| 14:42.09 | themill | klr99: what the bot said |
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| 14:42.25 | jhala | kikokos: so i think you can install it now. |
| 14:42.26 | wols | kikokos: have you read the factoid dpkg messaged to you? |
| 14:42.29 | kikokos | wols, can i do it not with live cd but normall installer cd? |
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| 14:42.42 | kikokos | wols, yes just finished :) |
| 14:42.48 | wols | kikokos: yes you can /msg dpkg rescue but you can do it right now from DSL as well |
| 14:43.01 | jhala | !fixmbr |
| 14:43.01 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 14:43.03 | klr99 | themill: thanks, http://paste.debian.net/118989/ |
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| 14:43.25 | jhala | ok |
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| 14:43.59 | kikokos | wols, jhala ok i will try with this and let you know |
| 14:44.00 | jelly | BB |
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| 14:45.08 | kikokos | jhala, in mount -t ext2 change it to ext3 if i have this one? |
| 14:45.30 | wols | kikokos: doesn't matter. but yes you can if you want |
| 14:45.36 | themill | klr99: hmm... can you pastebin "apt-cache policy libc6 apt dpkg perl python" |
| 14:46.12 | klr99 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/118991/ |
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| 14:48.25 | themill | klr99: hmm... you diverged from squeeze quite some time ago. There's not really an easy way back from where you are now but if you "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" that *might* work. You at least have approximately the same perl and libc6 even if you've now got newer apt and dpkg. |
| 14:48.26 | Furai` | Rejoice! |
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| 14:49.18 | themill | klr99: the chances of that "partial downgrade" working without a huge amount of effort aren't that great, really. Make sure you have a good backup before you start. |
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| 14:49.39 | klr99 | ok :) will try, change sources.list < just change, nothing to add? |
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| 14:50.41 | klr99 | themill: oh well, http://paste.debian.net/118992/ |
| 14:50.53 | thewanderer1m | hi, is it possible to convert a running raid5 to raid6? |
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| 14:51.17 | themill | klr99: :( |
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| 14:51.47 | klr99 | ok, i will reinstall, and never add sid to sources.list ? |
| 14:52.17 | babilen | yes |
| 14:52.20 | wols | klr99: you can try to backport from sid. but you don't install .deb packages directly from sid |
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| 14:52.33 | wols | e.g. since you need/want npm, you might look if it's doable to backport |
| 14:53.26 | klr99 | and how do i install single package from backport? |
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| 14:53.45 | babilen | !tell klr99 -about ssb |
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| 14:54.30 | kikokos | wols, i did dir target and inside proc etc. ,mount everything, and stop at chroot /target - when i type it it show chroot: bin/bash no swuch file or dir |
| 14:54.40 | klr99 | babilen: thanks |
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| 14:54.43 | kikokos | wols, what to do now? |
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| 14:55.19 | wols | kikokos: ls -l /target/bin/bash |
| 14:55.26 | wols | kikokos: how many partitions in your debian installation? |
| 14:55.47 | kikokos | wols, 3 sdc - here hdc 1,2,3 |
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| 14:56.04 | wols | kikokos: and they are mounted where when you run debian? |
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| 14:56.36 | wols | kikokos: you need to mount them all the same way they are mounted when you'd boot debian itself |
| 14:56.39 | kikokos | wols, i cant tun debian couse lack of grub |
| 14:56.54 | kikokos | but in installer they are as sdc |
| 14:56.56 | wols | kikokos: ok, if you ran debian then |
| 14:57.39 | kikokos | wols, hmm didnt get :) so what now? |
| 14:57.58 | wols | didn't get what? |
| 14:58.16 | jelly | thewanderer1m: let me google that for you: http://neil.brown.name/blog/20090817000931 |
| 14:58.48 | kikokos | "to mount them all the same way" means |
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| 14:59.23 | kikokos | wols, you mean to mount them as sdc? |
| 14:59.33 | wols | kikokos: you have at least on / one swap and one other partition. you need to mount them the way you set them up in the installer. e.g. you might have a extra /boot partition |
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| 14:59.54 | wols | kikokos: ok, where in the debian installer did you set up sdc1 to be? |
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| 15:01.12 | wols | kikokos: if you don't know anything like that, I suggest you follow the fixmbr factoid to the letter and boot from your debian install CD |
| 15:01.25 | kikokos | wols, yes i dont |
| 15:01.42 | wols | kikokos: or better yet: /msg dpkg rescue |
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| 15:03.33 | kikokos | wols, sorry i'm not computer specialist :P however when i installed it ask about create one partition, I suppose that it created and 3rd |
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| 15:04.01 | wols | !pl |
| 15:04.01 | dpkg | hmm... pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 15:05.08 | kikokos | wols, yes maybe will be better |
| 15:05.15 | wols | kikokos: you do need to understand some basics of computers or we can't help you. we can explain you what to do but we cannot see your computer and can only work with the things you can tell us and after that you have to do the stuff we tell you on your own too |
| 15:06.12 | wols | kikokos: the /bin/bash problem usually happens if there is no such executable file or if the libraries bash needs to run aren't there. since you have more than one debian partition possibly it might be that some of them are on that other, not mounted partition |
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| 15:08.17 | kikokos | wols, ah, that i can understand, thank you |
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| 15:09.10 | kikokos | wols, will try to figure out how to mount them as they were in installer |
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| 15:13.29 | wols | kikokos: what does "fdisk -l" say when you are in DSL? |
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| 15:13.45 | mateusz | Hi |
| 15:13.53 | mateusz | apt-build is not respecting my optimization settings |
| 15:13.55 | mateusz | what to do? |
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| 15:14.27 | kikokos | wols, shows live usb as /dev/sda1 and hd as /dev/hdc1 ,2, 5 |
| 15:14.42 | [m4k3r] | any help on using streamer to capturing jpeg files from a webcam and get the message: neither audio nor video format specified/found |
| 15:14.47 | wols | !tell kikokos about paste |
| 15:15.13 | kikokos | wols, can't paste is other computer without net |
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| 15:15.49 | wols | kikokos: fdisk shows you partition types. what are they for each partition on hdc |
| 15:16.18 | kikokos | wols, dev/hdc1 boot *, LInux ; /dev/hdc2 ext ; /dev/hdc5 swap |
| 15:16.32 | kikokos | wols, yes that i understand |
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| 15:17.58 | wols | ok, so simply mounting hdc1 should be fine |
| 15:18.59 | kikokos | wols, so i did from you link mount -t ext2 /dev/hdc1 /target |
| 15:19.05 | kikokos | ok/ |
| 15:19.06 | kikokos | ? |
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| 15:20.53 | wols | yes |
| 15:21.19 | kikokos | wols, hmm I did other like --bind and -t proc, everything fine |
| 15:21.46 | kikokos | but when I'm trying to do chroot /target it shows fatal kernel too old ... any ideas? |
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| 15:22.43 | wols | what kernel does your DSL live cd use? |
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| 15:22.50 | wols | and what is the _exact_ error message? |
| 15:23.18 | kikokos | 2.4.31 |
| 15:23.28 | [m4k3r] | i got the error message-> http://pastebin.com/L2uQsFa4 |
| 15:24.02 | wols | kikokos: please use the debian cd to boot. that DSL looks to be ancient |
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| 15:24.32 | jordanm | 2.4! |
| 15:24.36 | kikokos | wols, yes... ok so restart |
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| 15:24.51 | wols | kikokos: read the "rescue mode" factoid |
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| 15:27.55 | kikokos | wols, ok moment. i run installer and swith with alt-f2 to console (BusyBox) that's the place where should i type all this mount etc? |
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| 15:28.22 | wols | yes |
| 15:28.30 | qwp | hi in the installer what is the "laptop" package? |
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| 15:29.39 | wols | qwp: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 15:30.23 | Loonatic | I'm trying to update my openssh-server but it only see the version 1:5.5p1-6 from aptitude how can i get it to update to 5.8 ? |
| 15:30.29 | wols | qwp: you can install anything later by running tasksel from your installed debian. no need to run it when installing |
| 15:30.43 | wols | ,versions openssh-server |
| 15:30.45 | judd | Package openssh-server on i386 -- lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6; wheezy: 1:5.5p1-6; sid: 1:5.8p1-4 |
| 15:30.56 | wols | Loonatic: are you running sid? |
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| 15:31.06 | MrFrood | !tell qwp about laptop task |
| 15:31.07 | Loonatic | how do i know ? :| |
| 15:31.31 | wols | Loonatic: then you don't. if you did run it, you knew. why do you need this special version of ssh server? |
| 15:31.45 | Loonatic | audit for pci compliance |
| 15:32.04 | qwp | ah thanks |
| 15:32.29 | Loonatic | our normal netadmin got can and since i'm the most advanced user they ask me to patch it.... |
| 15:32.36 | wols | sid version is far worse security wise than the debian stable version. the stable version gets security updates, backported if needed. the sid version has none |
| 15:32.56 | wols | Loonatic: there is no need to "patch" it and it would be bad to do so |
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| 15:33.26 | Loonatic | they say i'm vulnerable to the CVE-2011-0539 but i believe this is a false positive |
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| 15:34.37 | Loonatic | dpkg -s openssh-server give me Version: 1:5.5p1-6 which seem to be ok from bugtrack... |
| 15:34.37 | dpkg | You Fool! openssh-server give me Version: 1:5.5p1-6 which seem to be ok from bugtrack... is installed! |
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| 15:34.50 | jelly | Loonatic: check it with /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
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| 15:37.31 | Loonatic | is there a way you can check what build a application is using ??? |
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| 15:38.10 | Loonatic | the command rpm -qa | grep ssh does not give any result... |
| 15:38.32 | wols | not really since debian backports security fixes if needed. so even if debian package seems to have a very very old version, it's still patched up to date against vulnerabilities |
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| 15:39.06 | Loonatic | wols: now if i could get the people at the audit to understand this... |
| 15:39.35 | karlpinc_ | Loonatic: You could point them to the CVS data.... |
| 15:39.38 | stew | Loonatic: do you need to expose ssh to the entire world? or can you limit what IP addresses are allowed to ssh in? |
| 15:39.45 | wols | show them the tracker for doom. and show them how RHEL 6.1 uses openssh server 5.3 for example |
| 15:40.15 | Loonatic | it's already limited via SSH tunel and some other port number |
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| 15:40.54 | stew | only the people that are sshed in can ssh in? |
| 15:41.08 | stew | why are the auditors allowed to see ssh? |
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| 15:42.33 | karlpinc_ | Loonatic: (oops CVE See: http://www.debian.org/security/cve-compatibility) |
| 15:42.41 | Loonatic | it's a scan they run |
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| 15:43.22 | themill | Loonatic: block the IP from which they perform the scan ... |
| 15:43.36 | stew | Loonatic: i understand. When I'm having someone scan a server for PCI compliance, they don't ding me on this type of thing, since they don't see SSH at all, since I haven't changed my firewall rules to specificlaly allow them to see ssh |
| 15:44.35 | stew | if they are scanning what is vulnerable to people that are already inside your trusted tunnel, that sounds quite agressive |
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| 15:45.27 | Loonatic | stew: ibelieve that's what they do and i do not have a clue how to limit that, any aptitude update thell me my openssh-server is the latest... |
| 15:45.33 | Loonatic | nice catch 22 for me |
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| 15:46.10 | jordanm | themill: that's cheating... |
| 15:46.31 | stew | sometimes its better to cheat |
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| 15:46.37 | jordanm | Loonatic: you can provide PCI compliance scanning companies with data that shows that a flag is a flase-positive |
| 15:47.00 | stew | jordanm: to what end? |
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| 15:47.45 | jordanm | stew: I have never had to show evidence then 10 or so. at my last job I had to do that for 1-3 customers per day |
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| 15:48.13 | Loonatic | i know i already send them the dpkg version info for openssh-server... they turn me down twice, ijust contacted them again and they will look into it again since the system is telling me that i'm running the latest |
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| 15:48.38 | Loonatic | i highly appreciate the help :) thanks |
| 15:48.41 | jordanm | Loonatic: the dpkg version is not enough, you also need to link them to changelog which shows the vulnerability is fixed |
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| 15:48.54 | jordanm | or perhaps the CVE page |
| 15:49.02 | stew | jordanm: I've never had success at reasoning with these people. I've instead ended up doing things like patching ssl to have it lie about its version string temporarily |
| 15:49.04 | Loonatic | jordanm: do you know how to get to the changelog ?? |
| 15:49.18 | Loonatic | i'm not quite familliar with that |
| 15:49.24 | jordanm | stew: perhaps they are easier to reason with when you are running red hat systems |
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| 15:49.39 | stew | this was readhat |
| 15:49.39 | jordanm | Loonatic: aptitude changelog |
| 15:49.41 | stew | redhat* |
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| 15:49.47 | themill | stew: now that *is* cheating! |
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| 15:50.14 | simonlnu | exec ls /usr/share/doc/ssh-client/*changelog* |
| 15:50.16 | stew | :). now I really just make sure they don't get to see much |
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| 15:50.49 | Rockj | Hi guys. I just upgraded an old server with mdadm raid1 from lenny to squeeze. Now it stops booting about fsck not finding the /dev/md* devices. Pressing ctrl+d makes the system boot up as normal. Is there a way to make fsck run at a later stage of the boot up? |
| 15:51.21 | Rockj | ive configured mdadm to (dpkg-reconfigure mdadm) to make sure it boots arrays as earliest as possible (initrd) |
| 15:51.37 | ishi | I have a 'small problem' with audio. After one upgrade or another I'm left with only one channel (left). In alsamixer it looks as if there were only one channel (mono). |
| 15:52.11 | pinoyoragon | I badly need help recovering my files from my USB drive... where should i start? I just switched off the PC (running linux) and not unmounting my USB drive, after restart, i cannot access the drive anymore |
| 15:52.14 | ishi | It's not a problem with headphones --- they work just fine. |
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| 15:53.06 | boudiccas | pinoyoragon; try unplugging the usb device and hten plug it back ina gain, it should be seena s new |
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| 15:54.01 | boudiccas | pinoyoragon; you may/probably will have to mount it manually |
| 15:54.18 | pinoyoragon | boudiccas: tried it many times, dmesg tells me it detected, but seems unable to mount it |
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| 15:54.42 | geenna | ciao atutti |
| 15:54.50 | pinoyoragon | boudiccas: when i try to use it with fdisk, it says no device |
| 15:54.51 | geenna | usate |
| 15:54.52 | boudiccas | pinoyoragon; have you tried mounting it manually? |
| 15:54.56 | geenna | ops sorry |
| 15:55.01 | geenna | hi to all! |
| 15:55.31 | simonlnu | !pmount |
| 15:55.31 | dpkg | pmount ("policy mount") is an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks; e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1 (no superuser requirement, no need to create a mount point). You will need to be in the plugdev group, but you'll know that from reading /usr/share/doc/pmount/README.Debian. Lenny users with a <bdo> kernel, see Debian bugs #528404 and #546365. |
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| 15:56.34 | pinoyoragon | boudicass it says no medium found |
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| 15:56.56 | init[1] | [RFC] http://mygaewiki.appspot.com/Application_level_internet_firewall any chance for improvement ? |
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| 15:57.39 | wols | pinoyoragon: first make a backup of your drive. then check what's still on it, maybe use tools like testdisk |
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| 15:59.37 | pinoyoragon | wols: can i perform backup even without mounting the device? |
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| 16:01.46 | ishi | dd if=/dev/yourdevice of=backup.file |
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| 16:09.17 | blinki | hey I have a generic question about mdadm; if I create a raid without partitioning my block devices first, am I at any disadvantage? |
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| 16:10.24 | ptee1 | hi, how can i know that if i am running xinet.d inet.d or tcpd |
| 16:10.26 | ptee1 | ? |
| 16:10.55 | jordanm | ps? |
| 16:11.44 | stew | ptee1: perhaps: aptitude search '~i~Pinet-superserver' |
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| 16:13.57 | benji0987 | Hi, do you guys know a way to setup a double boot (linux/windows) computer so that if I have to reinstall windows it won't break my linux partition ? |
| 16:14.23 | stew | benji0987: i'd ask ##windows |
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| 16:14.43 | benji0987 | :( |
| 16:14.44 | [m4k3r] | solved: export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so |
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| 16:16.09 | valdyn | benji0987: easy via your bios |
| 16:16.20 | valdyn | benji0987: ( if you have at least 2 harddisks ) |
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| 16:18.51 | benji0987 | I have only 1 hdd on yhe laptop |
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| 16:21.07 | wols | pinoyoragon: dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path/to/backup/file |
| 16:21.36 | pinoyoragon | wols: it says medium not found |
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| 16:24.35 | pinoyoragon | wols: no medium found |
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| 16:24.57 | wols | pinoyoragon: what is you dd command line? and what is the dmesg output for when you plug in the usb drive? |
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| 16:25.56 | pinoyoragon | wols: dmesg output http://paste.ubuntu.com/620052/ |
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| 16:26.26 | Gorilla_No_Baka | hello gents |
| 16:26.54 | Gorilla_No_Baka | hey guys i have a little problem with the ndisgtk.. when i am loading the bcmwlhigh5 It shows "Hardware Present:NO" however i can connect to the internet as a matter of speaking i am using it right now.. Right.. the problem i have is that on reboot it does not see any wireless connections at all typing in terminal ndiswrapper -l it gives me bcmwlhigh5 : driver |
| 16:26.59 | Gorilla_No_Baka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.15 | _michi_ | benji0987: I have no precise clue about this, but it is very important that you tell the version of windows you want to install when you ask this question, the procedure indeed depends on this information. |
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| 16:28.38 | benji0987 | _michi_, does it ? |
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| 16:29.05 | benji0987 | I think any windows overwrites the MBR |
| 16:30.00 | blinki | it does |
| 16:30.17 | _michi_ | benji0987: it does, for instance IIRC windows 97 or 98 used to trash other oses it found (except maybe Os/2), starting with Windows 7 or Vista, there is this funny magic id put by windows in the mbr to take in consideration |
| 16:30.55 | _michi_ | and maybe others subtlities I am no aware of, |
| 16:31.09 | _michi_ | I keep my interactions with MS windows to the minimum |
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| 16:31.28 | benji0987 | hmm ok |
| 16:31.33 | _michi_ | so I am far to be able to give you more clues |
| 16:31.52 | _michi_ | probably you won't install windows 98, I guess :) |
| 16:31.59 | Cubox | Hello, on my sid, i have a wifi usb card ralink RT2870 and i have installed the driver, the wiki say to install firmware-ralink. The wifi card work, but after 3 minutes, internet stop. I need to wait 3 others minutes for wifi working. It's an infinite loop and ... it's not easy for playing. |
| 16:32.06 | benji0987 | yeah probably xp, maybe 7 |
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| 16:32.19 | benji0987 | I need to run protools |
| 16:32.39 | benji0987 | but I am thinking of using a VM to deals with windows crap |
| 16:32.43 | Gorilla_No_Baka | Cubox: it happens to me the same with wnda netgear usb wifi |
| 16:33.04 | Cubox | Gorilla_No_Baka: you have solved it ? |
| 16:33.10 | Gorilla_No_Baka | nope |
| 16:33.14 | Cubox | oh |
| 16:33.15 | Cubox | :/ |
| 16:33.16 | _michi_ | If you habe a modern machine, a VM is probably fine |
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| 16:33.43 | Gorilla_No_Baka | and in top of it..i have a little problem with the ndisgtk.. when i am loading the bcmwlhigh5 It shows "Hardware Present:NO" however i can connect to the internet as a matter of speaking i am using it right now.. Right.. the problem i have is that on reboot it does not see any wireless connections at all typing in terminal ndiswrapper -l it gives me bcmwlhigh5 : driver |
| 16:33.48 | Gorilla_No_Baka | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.20 | _michi_ | I have recently set up a FreeBSD/win xp boot at home and followed a random procedure found by google (I took one that looked a bit serious) |
| 16:34.21 | Gorilla_No_Baka | you know what`s the funny thing? In ubuntu it works flawless :) |
| 16:34.44 | _michi_ | Provided you _backup your data_ (really) it is probably fine to do so |
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| 16:35.54 | _michi_ | If you reinstall windows, as you mentioned it, it will screww up your mbr code, so you need to reinstall one with the help of a rescue disk |
| 16:36.25 | _michi_ | The documentation of your distribution shall give you informations about this procedure |
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| 16:40.33 | ttiicc | guys I wonder if debian 6 will come with gnome 3 or something else? |
| 16:40.58 | themill | ttiicc: debian 6 was released a few months ago |
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| 16:41.14 | wols | ttiicc: but the next debian will come with gnome3 apparently |
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| 16:41.46 | ttiicc | okej I meant debian 7 :) |
| 16:42.43 | ttiicc | where could I check to see which versions of packages are included in the next release? |
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| 16:43.31 | bs0d | Good day everyone |
| 16:43.48 | blinki | is there any disadvantage to creating a md array out of block devices instead of partitioning them first? |
| 16:43.54 | wols | nowhere since it's probably 18 months until there is a new release. no one knows what version numbers are current that far in the future |
| 16:43.59 | themill | ttiicc: exactly which versions will be included is not decided yet. It depends what versions are available when the release is made. |
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| 16:44.15 | ompaul | ttiicc: when it is released you can check as versions will most likely change between now and then |
| 16:44.18 | themill | ttiicc: for example, no-one could have told you a week a go that it would be a 3.x kernel that would release. |
| 16:44.26 | wols | blinki: windows might balk when it sees the disk |
| 16:44.26 | ompaul | blinks ooh well |
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| 16:44.43 | ttiicc | ok, thanks! |
| 16:45.04 | bs0d | I am a newbie in the linux world, and I have a problem, dvd-rom does not work. I have tried to install debian from an usb image, but when it asked to choose the language my native language was not on the list. The phrase that the language I choose will be default one confused me. Can I add or change the language afterwards? |
| 16:46.01 | wols | bs0d: yes you can change it anytime |
| 16:46.15 | wols | bs0d: different users on your system can have a different language even |
| 16:46.23 | Bushmills | a week ago? that was when 3.0 pre was released |
| 16:46.42 | ompaul | bs0d: this command with advice from here: dpkg-reconfigure locales and this may help http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 16:46.42 | wols | Bushmills: then make it 2 weeks |
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| 16:48.37 | Bushmills | two weeks ago was when LT hinted on dev list that next release could be 2.8, but he was toying with the idea to make it 3.0 |
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| 16:50.41 | bs0d | Other question would be about the installation of debian from a virtual machine using real hard disk. After such installation debian agrees to work only when run from vm, and on real boot it refuses to find and mount the / partition. How to fix this? I was trying to install Debian from virtual machine, but I installed it on a real hard disk |
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| 16:53.35 | Bushmills | bs0d: the answer lies probalby somewhere in fstab, grub config, rdev -R, assuming kernel/initrd has been installed |
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| 16:53.57 | blinki | wols: windows? |
| 16:54.07 | john_rambo | Iceweasel is selected in preferred applications ........but still google chrome launches on clicking links in Icedove & when I click links on Xchat ...nothing opens |
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| 16:54.38 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, do you have xdg-utils installed? |
| 16:54.48 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, Checking that |
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| 16:55.44 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, Yes |
| 16:56.00 | Black_Prince | From terminal, as normal user run xdg-open http://www.google.com |
| 16:56.26 | Black_Prince | Which browser loads the page? |
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| 16:56.41 | korhojoa | hey guys |
| 16:56.57 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, Google Chrome |
| 16:57.11 | Wyvern666 | "gksudo" exists in debian |
| 16:57.13 | Wyvern666 | ? |
| 16:57.16 | Black_Prince | So that one is default ... |
| 16:57.24 | Black_Prince | Wyvern666, gksu might help you ... |
| 16:57.36 | korhojoa | i just plugged in a monitor in to a working system, I can't see anything on it. It seems like it's just sending a black screen instead of the framebuffer or x |
| 16:57.46 | korhojoa | I can get to the system over ssh just fine |
| 16:57.50 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, So, how do I make Iceweasel the default ? |
| 16:57.52 | korhojoa | I just can't do anything locally |
| 16:58.11 | Wyvern666 | [Black_Prince] i am trying to do "gksudo nautlius", so there is something like that in debian? |
| 16:58.28 | Black_Prince | Wyvern666, as I told before, there is gksu which surely does the same. |
| 16:58.38 | Wyvern666 | [Black_Prince] ok, thanks |
| 16:58.42 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 16:58.42 | Bushmills | gksu package contains gksudo |
| 16:58.48 | sumski | gksu uses root password , gksudo user password |
| 16:59.32 | korhojoa | anyone have any ideas on how to get something showing again? I tried restarting gdm3, but nothing happens. (on the screen, gdm3 restarts fine.) |
| 16:59.35 | Black_Prince | I never recommend using *sudo anything on debian ... |
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| 16:59.49 | Black_Prince | korhojoa, what graphics card? |
| 17:00.02 | wols | blinki: if a windows installation "sees" a disk without partition table, it will get very unhappy an dmight even destroy that disk by interpreting the first sector as a partition table. windows is stupid that way |
| 17:00.13 | korhojoa | Black_Prince, geforce 7300LE |
| 17:00.20 | Bushmills | korhojoa: try ctrl-alt-F1, login as root, /etc/init.d/stop gdm |
| 17:00.34 | Bushmills | ehm /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 17:00.34 | korhojoa | stop gdm? |
| 17:00.38 | korhojoa | :P |
| 17:00.39 | korhojoa | like i said |
| 17:00.47 | korhojoa | I can get in via SSH just fine, that should be okay, right? |
| 17:00.54 | Black_Prince | korhojoa, what debian version? |
| 17:00.56 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, http://pastebin.com/HaB1T4Ha |
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| 17:01.31 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, you need to be root to do that |
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| 17:02.05 | korhojoa | root@zalman:/home/joakim# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:02.05 | korhojoa | 6.0.1 |
| 17:02.28 | Bushmills | korhojoa: mistake because i usually start/stop services by "start service", "stop service" through symlinks to http://scarydevilmonastery.net/startstop |
| 17:02.28 | Black_Prince | Bushmills, arent those commands part uf upstart package? |
| 17:02.28 | korhojoa | ah, okay. seems handy. |
| 17:02.41 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, As root >>>> http://pastebin.com/PzNRuT4c |
| 17:02.53 | Bushmills | akin to "service foo action" but "action foo" instead |
| 17:03.03 | korhojoa | gdm3 stopped. now what? |
| 17:03.19 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, what browser does now xdg-open url run ? |
| 17:03.21 | korhojoa | trying to switch to the other terminal didn't do anything |
| 17:03.23 | Bushmills | korhojoa: as you wanted to show something again, try - as user - to startx |
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| 17:03.32 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, But still xdg-open http://www.google.com ..........opens Google Chrome |
| 17:03.49 | Bushmills | assuming your problem was determining whether the video mode X switches to still displays stuff |
| 17:04.02 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, and update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser |
| 17:04.07 | korhojoa | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 17:04.18 | Bushmills | that's what you get as result of startx ? |
| 17:04.25 | korhojoa | yup. |
| 17:04.37 | Bushmills | what distribution is that? |
| 17:04.37 | Black_Prince | korhojoa, that looks like permissions of X executable are fucked up ... It should be setuid. |
| 17:04.40 | project2501a | I LOVE YOU DEBIAN |
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| 17:04.59 | stew | korhojoa: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
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| 17:05.28 | korhojoa | stew, now everyone can |
| 17:05.32 | blinki | wols: I am speaking about a company ftp server, not multipurpose. no reason to partition then |
| 17:05.36 | korhojoa | i suppose that's fine, seeing as i'm the only user |
| 17:05.44 | blinki | since windoze won't ask to "initialize" anything |
| 17:06.04 | wols | blinki: then maybe you should learn to pose your questions better? |
| 17:06.15 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, http://pastebin.com/86si0b6w .....chrome stays as default |
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| 17:06.33 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, I am running LXDE |
| 17:06.38 | korhojoa | alright. well. it started. resize called 1920 1080, that's aabout it |
| 17:06.47 | Black_Prince | LXDE? |
| 17:06.48 | Black_Prince | Hm ... |
| 17:06.51 | blinki | wols: what is that supposed to mean |
| 17:06.53 | blinki | I'm in debian |
| 17:07.09 | cap0ne65 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.10 | archetype | has anybody managed to run xilinx tools (fpga editor in specific) in stable/testing? |
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| 17:07.33 | simonlnu | /quit |
| 17:08.00 | Bushmills | ctrl-alt-del |
| 17:08.05 | simonlnu | /who <nick> or <host> |
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| 17:08.40 | qwp | hi i have two nics and upon installation i chose one as the primary nic but now after installation it only shows that nic, how can i see both nics? |
| 17:08.52 | Bushmills | qwp: ifconfig -a |
| 17:08.53 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, Does lxde have any gui to change default applications? |
| 17:08.58 | simonlnu | add the other one |
| 17:09.22 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, Yes .... & Iceweasel is already selected there |
| 17:09.26 | simonlnu | (assuming you want to enable it) |
| 17:09.42 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, strange. |
| 17:09.48 | qwp | Bushmills: oh there it is, but it isnt assigned an ip. i jsut have to do that in /etc/networking/interfaces? |
| 17:09.54 | Bushmills | right |
| 17:09.58 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, Yup |
| 17:10.06 | qwp | Bushmills: me? |
| 17:10.12 | korhojoa | hmm. i just touched the graphics card |
| 17:10.14 | Bushmills | that too |
| 17:10.15 | korhojoa | i almost burned my finger |
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| 17:10.26 | Bushmills | !interfaces |
| 17:10.26 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 17:10.28 | korhojoa | i guess the 29C ambient temps aren't that great for a card |
| 17:10.31 | qwp | cool |
| 17:10.38 | simonlnu | hot |
| 17:10.49 | simonlnu | korhojoa: it's called a fan |
| 17:10.53 | korhojoa | there is no fan |
| 17:10.58 | korhojoa | it's a passively cooled card |
| 17:11.36 | Bushmills | "almost burned my finger" - cooling seems to be *very* passive :D |
| 17:11.42 | korhojoa | stuck in a old 7600 gt instead. fan screams like hell. no image still. wtf |
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| 17:11.48 | simonlnu | iow it'll burn out in a year |
| 17:11.52 | korhojoa | why does this computer not put anything out via pci-e ?! |
| 17:11.54 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, you can try removing google chrome from alternatives, because it still provides x-www-browser in AUTO MODE (which may be the mode xdg-open is using)... |
| 17:12.24 | simonlnu | pci-e is a passing fad :P |
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| 17:12.34 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, Even here >>> http://is.gd/9MeavU .....They have mentioned update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 17:12.40 | pinkisntwell | i'm looking for a winamp-like media player for debian |
| 17:12.50 | Bushmills | korhojoa: is your computer case open? or slots not covered? |
| 17:12.56 | korhojoa | case open |
| 17:12.58 | Bushmills | bad |
| 17:13.01 | korhojoa | uh |
| 17:13.05 | jelly-home | simonlnu: lolwut |
| 17:13.05 | jordanm | !tell pinkisntwell about winamp |
| 17:13.14 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, yeah I see .. It is the right way, I don't know why is chrome picked. |
| 17:13.18 | tensorpudding | pinkisntwell: audacious |
| 17:13.21 | simonlnu | it's bad if the temp goes up when the case on |
| 17:13.21 | korhojoa | Bushmills, the fuck |
| 17:13.21 | jordanm | jelly-home: ISA is making a come-back! |
| 17:13.24 | Bushmills | closed case, slots covered, causes air circulation within the case |
| 17:13.27 | simonlnu | *is on |
| 17:13.30 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, as I said you can try removing chrome from that alternative, so Iceweasel would be only one |
| 17:13.31 | korhojoa | there's no way that it's better to cover it up in this case |
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| 17:13.41 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, "you can try removing google chrome from alternatives" What is the procedure ? |
| 17:13.53 | korhojoa | two reasons: htpc case, no airflow over that part anyway unless it's got it's own fan |
| 17:13.54 | Bushmills | open case causes fan of power supply to just draw ambient air |
| 17:14.03 | wols | jelly-home: we'll all use thunderbolt in a year. after all, it's for attaching videocards |
| 17:14.04 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, it is update-alternatives --remove x-www-browser /usr/bin/google-chrome |
| 17:14.15 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, I am not sure about google-chrome path, tough. |
| 17:14.18 | tensorpudding | what kind of htpc case lacks a fan? |
| 17:14.19 | korhojoa | Bushmills, right now, that's a good thing |
| 17:14.22 | qwp | what does the "inet" in "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces mean and what should i use instead if i want eth0 to be a lan nic? |
| 17:14.23 | korhojoa | it doesn't lack a fan |
| 17:14.25 | jelly-home | wols: thanks in advance for buying me one! |
| 17:14.28 | korhojoa | it just doesn't send air that way |
| 17:14.33 | wols | tensorpudding: all of them when the users are audiophiles :) |
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| 17:14.42 | Justin | qwp: what is a "lan nic" ? |
| 17:14.48 | wols | jelly-home: everyone buys his mac alone. Steve wills it so! |
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| 17:14.55 | korhojoa | local area network network interface card ? |
| 17:14.56 | qwp | Justin: a nic used on a lan not on the internet |
| 17:14.59 | Black_Prince | Justin, LAN Network Interface Card |
| 17:15.01 | jelly-home | qwp: you still use inet since you're going to use the very same protocols |
| 17:15.03 | Black_Prince | kewl ... |
| 17:15.04 | stew | uh, why would soemone remove an alternative by hand?!? |
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| 17:15.14 | qwp | jelly-home: ah it is just a protocol name thx |
| 17:15.20 | Black_Prince | stew, because --config does not work as it should :| |
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| 17:15.26 | wols | qwp: same. the protocol you use in your LAN is the same which is used on the internet: tcpip. |
| 17:15.32 | qwp | thanks great |
| 17:15.37 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, Did "update-alternatives --remove x-www-browser /usr/bin/google-chrome" Google crome is now removed ......But still Google Chrome opens ...lol |
| 17:15.38 | stew | Black_Prince: then why not fix that instead? |
| 17:15.48 | jelly-home | qwp: it's not, but... nevermind |
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| 17:16.09 | Black_Prince | So it's not alternative problem, but lxde configuration problem... |
| 17:16.10 | qwp | jelly-home: ? |
| 17:16.43 | Bushmills | qwp: dhcp can be on LAN too. it merely needs to find a dhcp server |
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| 17:16.48 | Black_Prince | john_rambo, you can safely put back google-chrome in alternatives now, we see It isn't it's problem. dpkg-reconfigure google-chrome-stable |
| 17:16.59 | Bushmills | actually, not "can" but "must" |
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| 17:17.31 | qwp | yeah Bushmills there was jsut nothing about eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces. now i added a line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
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| 17:17.36 | stew | Black_Prince: did you see this: http://pastebin.com/86si0b6w it looks like it worked |
| 17:17.37 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, Done |
| 17:17.58 | simonlnu | dhcp doesn't care about abstract concepts like lan and wan. like Bushmills said, it looks for a dhcpd. |
| 17:17.59 | Bushmills | sounds good. don't forget to auto that interface |
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| 17:18.39 | Black_Prince | stew, yes but his links were still opened by chrome |
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| 17:20.02 | john_rambo | Black_Prince, Google Chrome >> Preferences >> Basics >> "Google Chrome cannot determine or set the default browser." |
| 17:20.16 | jelly-home | qwp: and an "auto eth0"? |
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| 17:21.03 | qwp | jelly-home: why? |
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| 17:21.19 | simonlnu | you want it to come up at boot, right? |
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| 17:21.33 | qwp | simonlnu: yeah but there is no auto eth1 either and eth1 does come up at boot |
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| 17:21.59 | simonlnu | look around in the file. you sure? |
| 17:22.07 | qwp | i have an allow-hotplug eth0 instead |
| 17:22.08 | wols | qwp: are you using network manager or such? |
| 17:22.10 | qwp | simonlnu: yes sure |
| 17:22.16 | simonlnu | ah |
| 17:22.17 | qwp | wols: whats that, dont think so |
| 17:22.20 | stew | john_rambo: are you running gnome? |
| 17:22.25 | qwp | i also have auto-hotplug eth1 btw |
| 17:22.29 | qwp | allow-hotplug* |
| 17:22.38 | john_rambo | stew, No ....LXDE |
| 17:22.55 | stew | john_rambo: what does "readlink -f $(which x-www-browser)" return? |
| 17:23.04 | simonlnu | man interfaces > /allow-hotplug |
| 17:23.06 | qwp | so why do you think auto eth0 is required |
| 17:23.53 | stew | qwp: its what tells "ifup -a" to bring this interface up (which is run by the networking init script during startup) |
| 17:23.53 | john_rambo | stew, http://pastebin.com/Y2bezHMA |
| 17:23.54 | qwp | 'Lines beginning with "allow-" are used to identify interfaces thatshould be brought up automatically by various subsystems.' |
| 17:23.57 | simonlnu | it's usual config.. there's other ways |
| 17:24.17 | qwp | stew: but as you can see it also works with allow-hotplug |
| 17:24.19 | superstraw | doesn't dhclient eth1 bring it up automagically? |
| 17:25.00 | simonlnu | qwp: "Lines beginning with "allow-" are used to identify interfaces that should be brought up automatically by various subsystems.... Note that "allow-auto" and "auto" are synonyms." |
| 17:25.25 | qwp | simonlnu: yes i am not using allow-auto though |
| 17:25.38 | stew | john_rambo: there you go. your x-www-browser doesn't look to point into the alternatives system, but at some locally install version of chome |
| 17:25.53 | stew | john_rambo: does "which x-www-browser" return /usr/bin/x-www-browser? |
| 17:25.57 | qwp | so is there anything bad with using allow-hotplug instead of auto |
| 17:26.17 | stew | qwp: what is the advantage of using allow-hotplug instead of auto? |
| 17:26.50 | john_rambo | stew, No it prints "/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome" |
| 17:27.02 | qwp | stew: it allows hotplugging |
| 17:27.15 | stew | qwp: no it doesn't |
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| 17:27.24 | qwp | stew: it auto ups and downs your nic if it detects connected cables |
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| 17:27.32 | qwp | stew: sure it does, the name even says so |
| 17:27.37 | simonlnu | ifup --allow=hotplug foo |
| 17:27.45 | simonlnu | rtfm ;) |
| 17:27.53 | stew | qwp: what is "it" that is detecting connected cables in this scenario? |
| 17:28.04 | qwp | stew: the debian |
| 17:28.10 | stew | what? |
| 17:28.18 | john_rambo | stew, How do I fix this ? |
| 17:28.21 | stew | qwp: which service for detecting events are you using? |
| 17:28.21 | simonlnu | the debian? |
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| 17:28.26 | stew | john_rambo: what does "echo $PATH" return? |
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| 17:28.32 | qwp | stew: i dont know, debian does that for me |
| 17:28.47 | stew | qwp: not unless you install somehting like ifplugd or similar |
| 17:29.01 | Justin | or network-manager |
| 17:29.06 | stew | right |
| 17:29.07 | qwp | stew: so would you say i should use auto instead of allow-hotplug without ifplugd |
| 17:29.12 | Bushmills | network-mismanager |
| 17:29.24 | jordanm | stew: it appears to be poorly documented, actually |
| 17:29.25 | qwp | ok fine... |
| 17:29.34 | jordanm | atleast in ifup and interfaces manpages |
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| 17:29.52 | simonlnu | it is poorly documented |
| 17:30.02 | john_rambo | stew, http://pastebin.com/E0V6r59E |
| 17:30.09 | qwp | the name allow-hotplug is misleading |
| 17:30.26 | qwp | can i auto eth0 before iface eth0 inet dhcp? or doesnt it matter |
| 17:30.34 | stew | john_rambo: really? but "which x-www-browser" returns "/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome/x-www-browser" are you sure? |
| 17:30.39 | stew | oh |
| 17:30.40 | stew | hmm |
| 17:31.02 | simonlnu | allow- is um, what was decided, which is: --allow= which is an unfortunate name confusion issue. |
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| 17:31.19 | stew | if "which x-www-browser" actually returns "/opt/google/chrome/google-chrome" something is quite odd |
| 17:31.45 | simonlnu | chrom isn't in debian. how is that odd? |
| 17:31.48 | simonlnu | chrome* |
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| 17:32.00 | stew | simonlnu: that which is returning a path that isn't in $PATH |
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| 17:32.07 | simonlnu | though that /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome/x-www-browser is |
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| 17:32.16 | jordanm | type x-www-browser |
| 17:32.20 | stew | simonlnu: and that "which foo" returns a path not ending on "foo" |
| 17:32.21 | eMegaf | Hi all, I'm using XFS here but I'd like to convert it to Ext3, is that possible? |
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| 17:32.22 | simonlnu | unless chrome did that |
| 17:32.29 | john_rambo | stew, http://pastebin.com/9aEMvmLy |
| 17:32.30 | Justin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.33 | superlinux | hi. my pc resolves dns very slowly. what would be the reason? |
| 17:32.34 | simonlnu | eek |
| 17:32.44 | Justin | chrome installs /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome as the main binary |
| 17:32.46 | stew | john_rambo: what does "which x-www-browser" return? |
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| 17:33.08 | Justin | and chrome doesn't chang eyour path, it adds a symlink in /usr/bin/ |
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| 17:33.23 | john_rambo | stew, /usr/bin/x-www-browser |
| 17:33.26 | stew | ... |
| 17:33.41 | stew | john_rambo: rm /usr/bin/x-www-browser ; ln -s /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser /usr/bin/ |
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| 17:33.57 | Justin | who sais x-www-browser isn't already a symlink to /etc/alternatives/? |
| 17:34.15 | simonlnu | says |
| 17:34.40 | Justin | right |
| 17:34.44 | stew | Justin: if it did, then why would xchat be opening chrome? |
| 17:35.03 | Justin | stew: I'd be interested in seeing what ls -l /usr/bin/x-www-browser /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser returns |
| 17:35.20 | stew | Justin: you can look above and see that he already set the x-www-browser alternatives |
| 17:35.22 | john_rambo | stew, Did that ...... still Google Chrome |
| 17:35.32 | Justin | john_rambo: ls -l /usr/bin/x-www-browser /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser returns |
| 17:35.34 | john_rambo | stew, Xcaht opens nothing |
| 17:36.00 | superlinux | hi. my pc resolves dns very slowly. what would be the reason? |
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| 17:36.33 | john_rambo | Justin, http://pastebin.com/reqjBq8B |
| 17:36.39 | Justin | superlinux: broken dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:36.50 | superlinux | mmm |
| 17:36.57 | skiz | superlinux: could be many things. look at your /etc/resolv.conf and try to 'dig somedomain.com @that_dns_ip |
| 17:37.04 | Justin | stew: hah |
| 17:37.06 | stew | ugh, this is because someone had him delete the alternative... |
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| 17:37.12 | superlinux | i only use my router's |
| 17:37.17 | Justin | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ? |
| 17:37.22 | stew | Justin: http://pastebin.com/PzNRuT4c |
| 17:37.31 | skiz | superlinux: then it's your router most likely having the same issue. |
| 17:37.36 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 17:37.38 | Justin | superlinux: grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 17:37.42 | Justin | superlinux: it can also be due to ipv6 |
| 17:37.59 | superlinux | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 17:38.11 | Justin | yeah, mdns can also screw things up |
| 17:38.19 | superlinux | so? |
| 17:38.35 | superlinux | remove it? |
| 17:38.46 | Justin | well, you should figure out if dns is slow to begin with, or if mdns is screwing things up |
| 17:38.59 | Justin | usually one can run strace ping -1 www.somehost.com and see where it hangs |
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| 17:39.05 | superlinux | we have just had a huge explosion in Beirut. unknown reasons |
| 17:39.07 | Justin | er, ping -c 1 |
| 17:39.14 | superlinux | going to see the tv |
| 17:40.25 | Justin | superlinux: Reports of a fuel tanker exploding in Ashrafieh |
| 17:40.36 | john_rambo | Justin, I am still stuck with chrome |
| 17:40.40 | Inigoesdr | in other words it's monday? |
| 17:40.48 | Justin | john_rambo: you did update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ? |
| 17:41.02 | superlinux | Justin, yes that's a suburb of beirut |
| 17:41.13 | dutchfish | john_rambo, about goole chrome sym-linking http://pastebin.com/DwLsvv5a |
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| 17:41.22 | dutchfish | s/goole/google |
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| 17:41.26 | ledoktre | greetings. got a couple issues having trouble with. Anyone care to take a stab? 1) postfix init.d will not stop|start|restart (just errors), but running postfix directly, will. 2) used apt-get, installed courier-imap-ssl (which instealled courier-ssl), but they didnt finish configuring the first time. Now, they are stuck. Complains about a missing file (ERR: /usr/lib/courier-imap/bin/courie |
| 17:41.28 | ledoktre | rtls missing), already re-installed courier-ssl, can't seem to remove courier-imap-ssl to save my soul. Any ideas? |
| 17:42.00 | john_rambo | Justin, Did that again ....But no joy |
| 17:42.21 | Justin | john_rambo: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser still says chrome? |
| 17:42.27 | jordanm | ,file /usr/lib/courier-imap/bin/couriertls |
| 17:42.31 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 17:43.12 | john_rambo | Justin, http://pastebin.com/GaePDEbr |
| 17:43.24 | Justin | john_rambo: well, that's better |
| 17:43.28 | jordanm | ledoktre: what error, what version of debian, apt-get insall from which repo/release? |
| 17:44.12 | john_rambo | Justin, Yes ...but xdg-open http://www.google.com still opens Chrome |
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| 17:44.37 | john_rambo | Justin, I need to reboot ? |
| 17:44.45 | Justin | john_rambo: no |
| 17:44.47 | Justin | john_rambo: what does gnome-default-applications-properties show? |
| 17:45.21 | john_rambo | Justin, Command not found ...I am running LXDE |
| 17:45.29 | john_rambo | Justin, One sec |
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| 17:45.43 | Justin | john_rambo: oh, also maybe update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser |
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| 17:47.14 | Justin | john_rambo: all I know is I have chrome installed and have never had a problem with it not being the default browser... :) |
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| 17:47.46 | ledoktre | jordanm : http://pastebin.com/p9visiAG |
| 17:48.04 | tortib | Hello I just installed snmpd on my squeeze install and for some reason when I run `snampwalk -v2c -c public localhost` it shows me OIDs but it appears a lot of them are missing for example i don't see any network interface OIDs, how am I able to correct this? |
| 17:48.23 | Justin | ledoktre: did you try just purging and re-installing them? |
| 17:48.39 | john_rambo | Justin, Did update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser & choose Iceweasel which was probably already the choice ...I saw a * mark ....but still |
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| 17:48.55 | Justin | john_rambo: what application are you clicking on a link in? |
| 17:49.23 | Justin | oh, xdg-open.. that's just a script |
| 17:49.37 | jordanm | keith4: try dpkg-reconfigure courier-imap-ssl |
| 17:49.40 | thewanderer1m | can I have /boot on a logical partition instead of primary? |
| 17:49.44 | john_rambo | Justin, For example Pidgin .....Icedove opens Chrome ...Xchat opens nothing |
| 17:49.50 | karlpinc_ | tortib: I seem to recall something in the packages readme.debian. I could be wrong. |
| 17:49.53 | jordanm | ledoktre: ^ assuming /var is now exec |
| 17:49.55 | karlpinc_ | !tell tortib about readme.debian |
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| 17:50.55 | ledoktre | Justin: Tried using `apt-get remove --purge` but it errors out the same. Tried using `dpkg --force-all -r courier-imap-ssl`, but still complains about missing couriertls and action "stop" failed |
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| 17:51.21 | ledoktre | jordanm: yes, /var is now exec |
| 17:51.40 | karlpinc_ | thewanderer1m: The reason you put /boot on it's own partition is to work-around limitations in various bioses that usually have something to do with being able to read past a certain point on the disk. So it probably depends. |
| 17:51.58 | dutchfish | thewanderer1m, as long as inside the Extended partition the logical partiation is marked bootable, yes |
| 17:52.01 | Justin | john_rambo: two things to pastebin... gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/applications/browser/exec |
| 17:52.09 | Justin | john_rambo: and sh -x /usr/bin/xdg-open http://google.com |
| 17:52.22 | john_rambo | Justin, Roger |
| 17:52.36 | thewanderer1m | dutchfish, thanks! I'm short of MBR space today :P |
| 17:52.45 | tortib | karlpinc_: ah i had to comment the views out, thanks for the tip. |
| 17:53.07 | Justin | ledoktre: edit /etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl and add exit 0 as the second line |
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| 17:55.26 | john_rambo | Justin, http://pastebin.com/XYJJLuYF |
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| 17:56.13 | Justin | john_rambo: and pcmanfm http://google.com starts chrome? |
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| 17:56.43 | john_rambo | Justin, Yes |
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| 17:57.00 | ledoktre | Justin, I did what you said, and was able to remove it. I tried adding it back in (since I really do need it!), and it complained `ERR: /usr/lib/courier-imap/bin./courier-tls missing`. Thats the wrong path AFAIK? It also bombed on the init.d script again, couldn't start it. Oddly, I cannot start|stop|restart postfix with the init script either. What governs that? |
| 17:57.16 | ujjain | Is it horrible if I have never used LDAP as a long-time Linux user? |
| 17:57.23 | Justin | ledoktre: got me |
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| 17:58.31 | wols | karlpinc_: to use a RAID / as well |
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| 17:59.06 | karlpinc_ | wols: I always forget. |
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| 17:59.21 | qwp | hi which services maps names to ip addresses? like the name of my box, and what would i have to install locally so i can use other machines' names instead of their ips? |
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| 18:00.34 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:01.09 | ledoktre | Anyone here know where to start trying to figure out why several stock init.d scripts are failing ? |
| 18:01.14 | karlpinc_ | qwp: You probably want the linux networking guide at tldp.org. DNS is the global service but there's other name/ip databases that the resolver uses. The RFC describing the overview of DNS is good, or try wikipedia. |
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| 18:01.33 | karlpinc_ | ledoktre: What does "postfix check" say. I think the script runs that first. |
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| 18:02.19 | karlpinc_ | qwp: Domain Name Services. |
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| 18:02.30 | ledoktre | karlpinc_: erturns nothing (just a shell prompt) |
| 18:02.38 | karlpinc_ | ledoktre: Then it worked. |
| 18:02.49 | Justin | ledoktre: probably something to do with you screwing with the mount options |
| 18:03.01 | Justin | ledoktre: purging and reinstalling everything you installed while the options were broken should fix things |
| 18:03.04 | john_rambo | Justin, Want me to wait ? |
| 18:03.09 | ledoktre | I screwed with the mount options today. had the postfix errors yesterday |
| 18:03.15 | ledoktre | since yesterday |
| 18:03.21 | karlpinc_ | ledoktre: Always fails or just at boot? |
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| 18:03.50 | ledoktre | karlpinc_ always. if i try and stop postfix `/etc/init.d/postfix stop`, it fails. If I run `postfix stop`, it works |
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| 18:04.18 | Justin | john_rambo: no |
| 18:04.27 | karlpinc_ | ledoktre: If you stop it manually then start it from init.d then will it stop? |
| 18:04.29 | Justin | john_rambo: I don't know anything about pcmanfm |
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| 18:05.20 | Justin | john_rambo: i'd see if lxde has some kind of preferred applications app, that may help |
| 18:05.26 | ledoktre | karlpinc_: when I run `postfix stop`, it stops. I then run `/etc/init.d/postfix stop`, and no errors, it just says "Stopping Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfix" |
| 18:05.40 | karlpinc_ | ledoktre: Then if you start it from init.d? |
| 18:06.13 | john_rambo | Justin, Okay ....Thanks ....I will just do apt-get purge google-chrome ....End of issue ....Tried that GUI ...Iceweasel is already selected there |
| 18:06.31 | jordanm | ledoktre: dpkg-reconfigure should re-run the maintainer scripts |
| 18:06.36 | Justin | john_rambo: yeah, very strange.. I've never had any problems like that, it doesn't do anything different from any other browser |
| 18:06.39 | ledoktre | karlpinc_: I try to then start it with init script and get : "Starting Postfix /.../ postfixpostfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration) *failed!* |
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| 18:07.48 | ledoktre | jordanm: I will try the reconfigure on postfix. Its installed and working (except for the init script issues, which means every time it boots, etc...) |
| 18:07.56 | karlpinc_ | ledoktre: You installed from apt using the stock repos, right? |
| 18:08.12 | jordanm | ledoktre: the maintainer script would likely modify /etc/default/postfix, which is sourced by the init script |
| 18:08.26 | jordanm | karlpinc_: tried to install packages with noexec /var |
| 18:08.40 | jordanm | basically the same as extracting the packages to /... |
| 18:08.43 | ledoktre | jordanm: don't have an /etc/default/postfix. It didn't install one. |
| 18:08.48 | Justin | ledoktre: you could try sh -x /etc/init.d/postfix start to see where it went wrong |
| 18:08.54 | Justin | ledoktre: lol, probably because of that |
| 18:08.55 | ledoktre | jordanm: I installed postfix yesterday. Only tried the /var business today |
| 18:08.57 | qwp | karlpinc_: i dont mean dns though, just names on the local lan |
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| 18:09.21 | ledoktre | karlpinc_ : using the softlayer mirrors for debian, yes |
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| 18:09.26 | karlpinc_ | qwp: You can serve names on the local lan with dns just like any other names. |
| 18:09.28 | ledoktre | its what came with my box |
| 18:09.48 | qwp | karlpinc_: ok, but is it done this way usually? |
| 18:10.20 | karlpinc_ | qwp: Yes. |
| 18:10.26 | qwp | the problem is i can ping ips but i get 'unkown host' for names |
| 18:10.39 | jordanm | then you have an issue with DNS |
| 18:10.44 | Justin | qwp: can you ping name.local ? |
| 18:10.45 | wols | qwp: how many hosts do you have in your LAN? |
| 18:10.54 | qwp | karlpinc_: so do i have to install a dnsclient or how could i troubleshoot it? |
| 18:10.59 | karlpinc_ | ledoktre: Nothing in /var/log/syslog? |
| 18:11.03 | qwp | wols: like 100 |
| 18:11.07 | qwp | wols: its my school vpn |
| 18:11.15 | ujjain | Does Debian have apt-get packages for Redmine that do all configuration? |
| 18:11.21 | wols | qwp: does your school have its own DNS server? |
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| 18:11.25 | qwp | let me try taht Justin |
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| 18:11.36 | ledoktre | karlpinc_: Just this : un 6 13:10:02 ss01 postfix/postfix-script[15303]: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration) |
| 18:11.43 | qwp | wols: well on a school box i can ping names |
| 18:11.44 | ledoktre | sorry, missed the "J" |
| 18:11.47 | wols | qwp: you always have a dnsclient. otherwise you couldn't type www.google.com |
| 18:12.02 | qwp | Justin: 'unknown host' also for .local |
| 18:12.05 | wols | qwp: then find out how the school set up their dns. nslookup or dig |
| 18:12.13 | jordanm | ledoktre: sh -x /etc/init.d/postfix |
| 18:12.35 | karlpinc_ | ledoktre: Or put little "echo"s in there to tell you what's happening. |
| 18:12.35 | qwp | wols: actually i cannot ping www.google.com. it resolves to an ip but i get 100% packet loss |
| 18:12.51 | wols | qwp: that's routing, not dns |
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| 18:13.13 | wols | jordanm: why not sh -x /etc/init.d/postfix start ? |
| 18:13.33 | qwp | interesting, what is this dig |
| 18:13.36 | qwp | ok wols |
| 18:13.42 | jordanm | wols: because I just copied and pasted from Justin's line and forgot the start |
| 18:13.50 | karlpinc_ | qwp: Your traffic is going through the vpn, but not your dns. Or something like that. |
| 18:13.56 | wols | qwp: a program. it's in dnsutils |
| 18:14.12 | wols | jordanm: with his error message shown, better correct it :) |
| 18:14.31 | qwp | dnslookup -> unknown command, and apt-get install dnslookup -> unknown package |
| 18:14.32 | karlpinc_ | qwp: dig debugs dns. "getent hosts" debugs the resolver. Or rather they both query, which is what you need to do to figure out what's happening. |
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| 18:14.49 | wols | qwp: dnslookup is not nslookup |
| 18:14.51 | qwp | ok i will try that karlpinc_ |
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| 18:15.01 | qwp | ah |
| 18:15.08 | karlpinc_ | qwp: Nor is it dnsutils. |
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| 18:15.33 | ledoktre | jordanm: just tried your line. returns a bunch of code all in white letters. ran it again with the start command, and have several lines with red and yellow |
| 18:15.44 | qwp | wols: i get SERVFAIL from nslookup for a machine that exists |
| 18:15.47 | jordanm | ledoktre: pastebin the output |
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| 18:16.55 | qwp | the server is correctly set to the vpn server though |
| 18:16.56 | wols | qwp: I thought we already established that your local DNS doesn't work. and I told you to check how the other hosts do it. there are several ways they can use so we can't tell you what to do to fixd it |
| 18:17.08 | karlpinc_ | qwp: nslookup is obsolete. dig works better. In any case your dns does not work. |
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| 18:17.22 | qwp | wols: why local dns? it just says "unknown host" and is set to the correct vpn server |
| 18:17.27 | qwp | ok karlpinc_ |
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| 18:17.43 | qwp | wols: also ping www.google.com gives me the correct google ip |
| 18:17.46 | wols | qwp: cause you can resolve google but you can't resolve your local network. hence:local DNS |
| 18:18.13 | ledoktre | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/VAKy0Zpe |
| 18:18.14 | qwp | karlpinc_: i get SERVFAIL from dig too |
| 18:18.38 | Justin | qwp: what do you get if you run 'host 1.2.3.4' where 1.2.3.4 is one of the addresses of the other machines? |
| 18:18.38 | karlpinc_ | qwp: You've looked at /etc/resolv.conf and confirmed that the nameserver is right? (Yes. That means that your name server is not answering.) |
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| 18:18.46 | tdn | Is there a way I can force my laptop cooling fans to run all the time? |
| 18:18.56 | qwp | when i ping www.google.com it also uses the school's dns server btw, and returns the correct ip |
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| 18:20.56 | qwp | Justin: i get not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 18:21.26 | qwp | karlpinc_: well no as i said the (local!) nameserver resolves google correctly |
| 18:21.34 | wols | tdn: depends on the laptop. have you checked out fancontrol? |
| 18:21.53 | qwp | by local i mean vpn |
| 18:22.02 | qwp | and is set correctly in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:22.04 | wols | qwp: what is the output of nslookup google.com? pastebin |
| 18:22.09 | qwp | so whats this mysterious problem? |
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| 18:22.54 | karlpinc_ | qwp: Then the nameserver you're accessing over the vpn is not configured to deliver names for the IP addresses used over the vpn. Tell them to fix it. |
| 18:23.00 | qwp | wols: it says SERVER: <school dns server> and Address: 74.125.79.104 |
| 18:23.21 | qwp | weird |
| 18:23.24 | wols | qwp: I said pastebin for a reason. if you don't want to answer, your choice. have a nice day |
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| 18:23.47 | qwp | huh? |
| 18:23.57 | jordanm | ledoktre: the init script is trying to run /usr/sbin/postfix -- quiet-quick-start |
| 18:23.58 | karlpinc_ | !tell qwp about pastebin |
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| 18:24.11 | qwp | karlpinc_: ok thats also my conclusion, weird tho |
| 18:24.42 | karlpinc_ | qwp: And the vpn is routing all your traffic through the vpn and not letting you out of thier network onto the larger net. So you can't see google. That's a routing issue and a vpn setup issue. |
| 18:25.17 | qwp | karlpinc_: yes. still doesnt explain why it cannot resolve local names but does resolve google correctly |
| 18:25.46 | ledoktre | jordanm: that is not right, is it... any idea what that means? |
| 18:25.50 | karlpinc_ | qwp: Because the local boxes are natted to rfc1918 addresses and those are not resoved properly in dns. Or that's my guess. |
| 18:25.56 | tdn | wols, thinkpad t61p. I have tried installing fancontrol, but it does not seem trivial to use. I had to make a config file, and the format seemed rather perculiar. So I got afraid of toasting my laptop. |
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| 18:26.11 | karlpinc_ | qwp: The vpn is natting. |
| 18:26.35 | qwp | karlpinc_: i dont see how thats a problem, it should still resolve local names |
| 18:26.57 | qwp | karlpinc_: it works too if im in school |
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| 18:27.19 | karlpinc_ | qwp: Only if given the right fully qualified domain name, which is likely different from the vpn than at school. |
| 18:27.29 | wols | tdn: there is a much better way then. tpfancontrol. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed for example |
| 18:27.59 | qwp | karlpinc_: when you install debian it asks you how you want to name your box. i just want to use these kinds of names instead of ips. are you sure this really has to do with dns? |
| 18:28.16 | jordanm | ledoktre: it appears to be right, and works for me |
| 18:28.25 | bs0d | Good day everybody once again. I have installed debian but when shutdown get a message: Shutting down LVM volume groups. Can't deactivate colume group system with 1 open logical volumes. FAILED! I want to ask is this problem requires attention and fixing or it is normal to get such a failure? |
| 18:28.26 | jordanm | ledoktre: what happens if you run that from the command line? |
| 18:28.30 | wols | tdn: you cannot toast it. C2D throttles before it takes damage. your problem is the nvidia gpu which often dies but you can't do much to stop that unfortunately |
| 18:28.32 | qwp | in windows it uses something else for that for example |
| 18:28.39 | tdn | c2d? |
| 18:28.49 | qwp | oh maybe these are windows names? |
| 18:28.50 | wols | tdn: core 2 duo. your CPU |
| 18:28.52 | tdn | wols, really? It is the GPU getting hot? |
| 18:29.00 | tdn | wols, yes, core 2 duo. You have the same laptop? |
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| 18:29.20 | wols | tdn: the GPU has a manufacturing and design fault, which means it likes to die unexpectedly |
| 18:29.25 | tdn | wols, it is extremely hot. 80 C when idle. |
| 18:29.33 | ledoktre | jordanm : postfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration) |
| 18:29.51 | wols | tdn:how hot is the CPU? |
| 18:30.01 | jordanm | ledoktre: perhaps you somehow ended up with the lenny binary and squeeze init script? |
| 18:30.04 | tdn | wols, that is interesting. Do you have a link or something? Would like to read more about htis if it is a known problem. I would like to RMA this POS. |
| 18:30.08 | jordanm | ledoktre: you are on lenny, right? |
| 18:30.14 | somiaj | if I want to setup /etc/network/intercaces to connect to a wireless connenction with no ncryption (public network) I've tried "iface name inet dhcp\n wpa-ssid <ssid name>' and its not getting a dhcp back, do I need to use another name instead of wpa-ssid to connect to network that doesn't require wpasupplement? |
| 18:30.18 | ledoktre | jordanm- yes, I am on lenny |
| 18:30.28 | tdn | wols, lmsensors says: http://paste.adora.dk/P2088.txt not sure which one is cpu and gpu |
| 18:30.39 | ledoktre | jordanm: whats the best way to tell? |
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| 18:32.18 | jordanm | ledoktre: postfix -v | egrep '[0-9]\.[0-9]\.[0-9]*' |
| 18:32.19 | ledoktre | jordanm : `dpkg --list|grep postfix` : ii postfix 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1 High-performance mail transport agent |
| 18:32.52 | wols | tdn: can't. lenovo won't accept RMAs for this anymore. it only accepted them if the GPU actually failed. http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo-ibm/280328-thinkpad-nvidia-quadro-nvs-140m-defective.html |
| 18:33.12 | tdn | wols, did you have the same problem? |
| 18:33.15 | jordanm | ledoktre: ah |
| 18:33.17 | jordanm | ledoktre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/postfix/+bug/56235 |
| 18:33.26 | jordanm | ledoktre: it was a maintainer script failure |
| 18:33.52 | wols | tdn: probably none is. lm-sensors is mostly useless for you afaik. you don't have ten temperature sources in your laptop... |
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| 18:34.34 | qwp | :\ |
| 18:34.40 | tortib | i'm running squeeze and have snmpd listening on 161 on both 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.1.6 ; I'm able to run snmpwalk on localhost but not the 192 address, iptables isn't running on this machine either, anyone have any suggestions as to waht may cause this problem? |
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| 18:34.53 | wols | tdn: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Thermal_Sensors#ThinkPad_T61p |
| 18:35.09 | tdn | wols, I am about to buy a new laptop (I guess). I have been using IBM Thinkpad since 2003 and I have been fond of the IBM Thinkpad T-series. However, T61p is the first I tried since Lenovo took over by them selfes. I really think the quality has been degraded. So I am thinking maybe it is time for apple. But I am going to miss the dock and things like that. |
| 18:35.12 | wols | tdn: ok, maybe you do :) |
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| 18:35.36 | tdn | wols, appearently. |
| 18:35.51 | tdn | wols, so which one is CPU and GPU? |
| 18:35.52 | wols | tdn: I recently bought a T400 and I'm very happy about it. what is your problem with the T61p? |
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| 18:36.16 | kikokos | wols, hey, finally after using debian live I've set up grub and my squeezy is working perfeclty on eee :) thank you for priceless sugestions |
| 18:36.28 | wols | tdn: 4 would be GPU, 1 would be CPU it seems. from the looks of it your fan needs to be cleaned |
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| 18:36.54 | wols | kikokos: didn't the debian install cd work? rescue boot always worked for me |
| 18:37.38 | tdn | wols, this, for example. Also, the allround manufacturing quality seems much poorer than T42 series. Monitor is much worse (I have the 1920x1200 in T61p which is MUCH worse than my 1400x1050 T42), battery life is laughable, the casing has cracked several places, and so on. |
| 18:38.14 | wols | true, TP displays always suck |
| 18:38.39 | wols | you got a p model, they never have great battery life, can't have |
| 18:39.21 | kikokos | wols, hmm probably it will work but I could run fdisk so i thought thats because that is installer, then I figure out thats because of not using superuser but i run already live |
| 18:39.43 | ledoktre | jordanm: yeah, modifying the script let me start/stop normally. pretty strange eh? Now I just gotta figure out this courier business *sighs* |
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| 18:40.09 | ledoktre | karlpinc_ , jordanm : thanks |
| 18:40.10 | kikokos | wols, learning... |
| 18:40.10 | wols | kikokos: fdisk might not be available when you boot the installer yes, but in rescue boot it is available |
| 18:40.34 | wols | kikokos: with rescue boot, you load the kernel from CD and then the kernel mounts your normal / from your debian installation |
| 18:40.51 | tdn | wols, p should be the best one, right? Why could it not have good battery life? I am not talking about power consumption here. I am talking about the health of the battery. It had about half capacity after 6-8 months or so. |
| 18:41.24 | tdn | wols, I have a T42 from around 2004-5 that has better battery than my T61p from 2008-9 had in 2010. |
| 18:41.40 | tdn | wols, do monitor still suck on your new t400? |
| 18:41.47 | kikokos | wols, yhm, my lack of knowledge, anyway working now and has only 1,4 GB what is pretty cool on 4GB disk |
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| 18:42.43 | siyb | please explain this to me: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-3&searchon=names&suite=experimental§ion=all as if those architectures are the top priority ... |
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| 18:43.17 | wols | tdn: no. "p" means it's a workstation laptop. not "best". well, I've known several thinkpads (mostly X series) and their battery still had ~90% after a few years. a X31 I remember still has about 70% IIRC :). And yes the monitor still sucks somewhat since it's a CCFL backlight. the newer ones with LED are better, but apple or dell are still a lot brighter |
| 18:43.19 | Woet | siyb: why don't you compile and package it for your architecture then? |
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| 18:44.00 | wols | siyb: and your problem is? |
| 18:44.24 | tdn | wols, yes, exactly. The IBM thinkpads had much better battery life. But this one has not. I have replaced battery recently to 9 cells. Still it's capacity is quickly degrading. |
| 18:44.40 | wols | tdn: original lenovo battery? |
| 18:44.47 | Woet | siyb: it's all packaged by volunteers, if you feel like your architecture is missing, package it yourself and do everyone a favor :) that's how the other architectures got there! |
| 18:44.55 | wols | or oem from ebay or so? |
| 18:45.04 | tdn | wols, I was not aware that p meant workstation. I thought it meant 'performance' and just meant the model in the series with best specs. |
| 18:45.08 | tdn | wols, of course! |
| 18:45.10 | wols | !tell siyb about kernel-package |
| 18:45.20 | siyb | Woet: unfortunately i got a job and fiancee and a number of software projects that are more important to me atm |
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| 18:45.26 | wols | tdn: yes, "performance" or nowadays it's the "W" series. same thing really |
| 18:45.31 | tdn | wols, ok. |
| 18:45.34 | Woet | siyb: then don't complain :) |
| 18:46.12 | siyb | Woet: i can complain if i want to, but you may ignore me if you want to ;) |
| 18:46.13 | tdn | wols, you are satisfied with your t400? How old is it+ |
| 18:46.27 | wols | tdn: look on the bright side: with a macbock you can't even change the battery if you wanted :) |
| 18:46.35 | Woet | siyb: sure, it just makes it sad that you complain about something you can make a difference in yourself. |
| 18:46.47 | bbd | i love my W500 but it's no different from T500 except the video ram +256M |
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| 18:46.51 | simbioz | hi |
| 18:47.06 | tdn | wols, ok? I was not aware. However, I have a really old macbook borrowed from a friend. It has better battery than this T61p. And it is from 2005. |
| 18:47.12 | siyb | Woet: the lack of time is frustrating :( |
| 18:47.58 | Woet | siyb: surely you just want to run the kernel for fun, and not on a production machine? doesn't that mean you have time? :P |
| 18:48.05 | wols | tdn: very happy. it's 2 1/2 years old, I bought it used. the main downsides for me are the somewhat dark screen and a few flimsy parts (ultrabay and express card slot). but overall, I like it a lot. well except when I have to lug it around. then I long for a 12" X series, but X series doesn't have 1440x900 or a HD3470 inside :) |
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| 18:48.49 | siyb | Woet: i was thinking about my desktop so production |
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| 18:49.09 | wols | siyb: and then you want to run a rc kernel? let me guess, you run sid on your desktop? |
| 18:49.27 | siyb | wols: got me |
| 18:49.28 | Woet | siyb: you don't have time to package something but you do have time to play around with a RC kernel on your desktop? :P |
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| 18:49.38 | jordanm | ledoktre: ... |
| 18:49.47 | wols | Woet: he runs sid on a "Production" machine. any more questions? |
| 18:49.53 | simbioz | I have a ATI 9600 Pro card and propietary driver only works with xorg 7.4 and older, that's why I installed oldstable. Now lenny has xorg 7.3, how could I get xorg 7.4?, adding some special repo maybe? |
| 18:50.04 | jordanm | ledoktre: editing the init script was not the solution to derive from the bug report. the issue was a configuration file, not the init script being bad |
| 18:50.20 | Woet | wols: i already established my opinion a few questions back |
| 18:50.25 | wols | simbioz: why don't you just upgrade to squeeze and run the normal radeon driver? |
| 18:50.45 | simbioz | wols the opensource one? |
| 18:50.51 | wols | yes |
| 18:50.52 | siyb | wols: wow i must be a complete idiot /o\. how can a debian user be less conservative than other debian users. |
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| 18:51.20 | simbioz | wols: I guess ATI driver is more performant |
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| 18:51.39 | wols | siyb: self awareness is a good thing |
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| 18:51.56 | siyb | wols: you should try it out if you find the time ... |
| 18:51.59 | rooisto47 | hi everyone |
| 18:52.01 | wols | simbioz: sooner or later you will have to upgrade, no way around that |
| 18:52.05 | wols | ,versions xorg |
| 18:52.07 | judd | Package xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; wheezy: 1:7.6+6; sid: 1:7.6+7 |
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| 18:53.36 | stew | siyb: i'd recommend ignoring some of these people. they clearly don't understand what is going on, if they are suggesting that the thing for you to do is to start packing linux for other architectures |
| 18:53.50 | rooisto47 | I wanna use my rtl8191se and can't find the driver for debian ! (on ubuntu it's supported and it uses "Kernel driver : rtl819xSE" and "Kernel modules r8192se_pci") how can I get that for debian |
| 18:53.52 | rooisto47 | ? |
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| 18:54.05 | rooisto47 | or where can I directly donwload that driver ? |
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| 18:54.44 | Justin | rooisto47: you already have it |
| 18:54.45 | stew | siyb: you are seing it for some arches but not others probably because it has not yet been built on those architectures |
| 18:54.49 | wols | rooisto47: backports kernel 2.6.38 should support it, but you will need to get a firmware for it since afaik that's not in debian |
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| 18:55.20 | simbioz | Well I will just stick with xorg 7.3 I guess. thx anyway ;-) |
| 18:55.21 | Woet | stew: so you build it for another architecture and you help yourself and everyone else. |
| 18:55.27 | stew | siyb: it *should* be built for the other arches, as you can see from the changes file: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20110601T223515Z.html |
| 18:55.34 | Justin | rooisto47: r8192_pci won't work? |
| 18:55.39 | rooisto47 | wols: I downloaded the firmware-realtek but it still dont working |
| 18:56.00 | wols | !tell rooisto47 about rtl8192se |
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| 18:56.13 | rooisto47 | Justin: (I mean installed it - I'm using debian squeeze) |
| 18:56.40 | siyb | stew: don't worry, people like that actually amuse me. thanks for the info |
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| 18:57.34 | tdn | wols, ok |
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| 18:57.50 | kikokos | wols, can i have one more answer? |
| 18:58.18 | rooisto47 | Justin: wols they say that ((rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin) is not currently packaged |
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| 18:58.40 | rooisto47 | so I probably have to download it directly... but from where? |
| 18:58.56 | stew | siyb: it does look like other buildds have been uploading the other orches, but they just haven't shown up yet |
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| 18:59.15 | siyb | stew: ah ok, that sounds good. will try it later on then ;) |
| 18:59.26 | kikokos | wols, I'd like to have amarok 1.4 but in squeeze is 2.0 so... what would be if I add repository from lenny just for one moment and download this app with all others which it need, something with dependences could be wrong? |
| 18:59.34 | tdn | wols, I tried doing what http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed says: echo level: 7 > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan, but I get: echo: write error: invalid argument |
| 18:59.39 | tdn | wols, I am root |
| 18:59.46 | miha | does anyone have iptables / tor experience? looking at https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/TheOnionRouter/TransparentProxy and thinking if i can get it working |
| 19:00.03 | stew | siyb: actually it looks like they are installed already, but perhaps the website doesn't know yet |
| 19:00.18 | stew | siyb: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/rc-buggy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 has a 3.0.0~rc1 |
| 19:00.44 | wols | kikokos: you can try. I dunno what its dependencies are. go to packages.debian.org and download it there, then install via dpkg -i. |
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| 19:01.18 | wols | kikokos: then you need to set it to "Hold" after it's installed so it isn't automatically upgraded to 2.0: /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:01.19 | kikokos | wols, thank you |
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| 19:01.42 | kikokos | wols, yes, how to et it to "hold" ? |
| 19:01.50 | kikokos | aah i see |
| 19:02.00 | wols | tdn: have you done what the page tells you to do for squeeze? |
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| 19:02.41 | tdn | wols, oups, no. |
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| 19:03.54 | rooisto47 | no one to help with that wifi card ?! (just where can I find even the source-code) |
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| 19:05.18 | bs0d | Please advise me if problems with lvm in debian can be handled on this channel, or I should go to #lvm? |
| 19:05.22 | wols | rooisto47: read the backlog of this channel. the 3.0rc kernel is just seeping into repos |
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| 19:05.45 | Daviey | see one from Chuck). |
| 19:06.10 | kikokos | anyone know (is using) some audio player with its own database (like mysql in amarok) what is not for kde but for gnome/lxde better? |
| 19:06.44 | Woet | rooisto47: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true |
| 19:06.52 | Woet | it has the driver for 2.6.x kernels |
| 19:07.08 | wols | Woet: vendor drivers? from realtek even? |
| 19:07.16 | adam11x | in shell scripts, is "sleep x" in seconds or minutes? |
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| 19:07.29 | stew | adam11x: seconds |
| 19:07.37 | Woet | wols: it's suggested by the wiki of debian, at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1201N |
| 19:07.38 | adam11x | stew: thanks |
| 19:07.57 | jhutchins_lt | adam11x: man sleep? |
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| 19:08.03 | project2501a | *sigh* |
| 19:08.04 | rooisto47 | Woet: the realtek download pages are totaly crap ! |
| 19:08.08 | rooisto47 | the links aren't working |
| 19:08.10 | Woet | wols: and in bug report #609784 it's reported to work |
| 19:08.17 | project2501a | now, to write a white paper: "why should we run debian" |
| 19:08.25 | wols | Woet: "reasonably well" :) |
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| 19:08.31 | project2501a | "redhat sucks" |
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| 19:08.40 | Woet | wols: "seems to be working fine so far" to be exact :p |
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| 19:08.59 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Next, a paper on why we should buy supported hardware instead of random crap. |
| 19:09.01 | wols | Woet: I'd rather take my chances with compat-wireless at this point... |
| 19:09.20 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: HOW DARE YOU! WE WILL BUY RANDOM CRAP. PERIOD! |
| 19:09.30 | rooisto47 | when I try to download the driver for my card in the realtek website, the link sends me to audio drivers...! |
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| 19:09.53 | Bushmills | here debian has been unchallenged #1 for years now: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/rulesuck.month.png |
| 19:10.08 | jhutchins_lt | rooisto47: Makes you wonder if realtek knows what they're doing. |
| 19:10.08 | Woet | rooisto47: it works for me, let me mirror it for you |
| 19:10.40 | jhutchins_lt | rooisto47: Which browser are you using? |
| 19:10.54 | rooisto47 | wols: didn't understand what you mean with 3.0rc kernel |
| 19:10.55 | Woet | rooisto47: try ftp://207.232.93.28/cn/wlan/RTL8191SU_usb_linux_v2.6.6.0.20110401.zip |
| 19:11.45 | rooisto47 | Woet: not the usb but the pci expresse please |
| 19:11.59 | wols | Bushmills: what is the datasource? |
| 19:12.01 | simonlnu | Bushmills: and how is that measured exactly? ;) |
| 19:12.07 | rooisto47 | jhutchins_lt: I'm using firefox |
| 19:13.02 | stew | debian cheats that statistics by having so many pages documenting the file "debian/rules" of course |
| 19:13.09 | Bushmills | wols, simonlnu: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/munin-plugins/local/rulesuckratio |
| 19:13.17 | Bushmills | munin plugin |
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| 19:15.10 | wols | rooisto47: you can try : http://scarydevilmonastery.net/munin-plugins/local/rulesuckratio |
| 19:15.14 | Woet | Bushmills: seems like a very reliable source :) |
| 19:15.47 | simonlnu | so it searches for "$distro" "sucks" "rules" |
| 19:15.49 | wols | rooisto47: damn, wrong one. http://wireless.kernel.org/ this one I meant. or wait until the 3.0rc kernel debs propagate in experimental |
| 19:16.04 | stew | they are already in experimental |
| 19:16.10 | Bushmills | with variations on "sucks" and "rules", yes |
| 19:16.47 | simonlnu | well, seems like it's a massive poll :P |
| 19:17.21 | stew | simonlnu: but then you google for "debian rules" and see why it is going to be at the top easily. (since lots of people talk about debian/rules without trying to give an opinion about the distro) |
| 19:17.25 | rooisto47 | wols: wireless.kernel.org sends me to the realtek website which don't work ! |
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| 19:17.49 | rooisto47 | I think the best solution is trying the experimental repos |
| 19:17.55 | Woet | rooisto47: that driver should work on pci express too |
| 19:18.00 | wols | rooisto47: which link there sends you there? |
| 19:18.00 | rooisto47 | but I never tr |
| 19:18.12 | Woet | rooisto47: one moment |
| 19:18.19 | simonlnu | stew: i know. they should check for that. |
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| 19:18.36 | Bushmills | it show windows with worst rating, and debian with best. therefore, the method must be reliable. :D |
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| 19:19.25 | wols | stew: same applies for ubuntu, yet they are lower. and RH has 4.5million hits for it compared to 7.4 for debian. not too much of a difference |
| 19:19.28 | rooisto47 | wols: kernel.wireless.org sends me to realtek website |
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| 19:19.38 | wols | rooisto47: where does it do that exactly? |
| 19:19.59 | rooisto47 | wols: ah, when you search for the exacte wifi card |
| 19:20.02 | stew | wols: ubuntu source packages don't contain a ubuntu/rules file, they contain a debian/rules file |
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| 19:20.38 | Woet | Bushmills: does it compare the ratio between rules and sucks? |
| 19:20.43 | wols | stew: still. they have 17 million hits |
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| 19:20.53 | karlpinc_ | wols: Further, I can't seem to tell where the stats actually come from. Oooh, a graph! (At least it's not a pie chart.) |
| 19:20.54 | webad_13 | I have two network cards on one machine and I would like to test the new one by hosting something on the old card and downloading it with the new one |
| 19:21.05 | wols | rooisto47: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download#Download_latest_Linux_wireless_drivers |
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| 19:21.09 | webad_13 | how do I assign a specific service to one card? |
| 19:21.38 | Woet | webad_13: eth0/eth1? wget can bind to an interface/IP |
| 19:21.58 | wols | webad_13: differs with every service. usually a config file for this service |
| 19:22.07 | karlpinc_ | webad_13: Depends on the daemon. It's in the config file, somwhere. |
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| 19:22.34 | Bushmills | Woet: it scales them into an interval between -1000 and 1000 |
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| 19:23.00 | Woet | Bushmills: it's pretty unfair, nearly all results for debian rules is about the rules file :) ("debian/rules") |
| 19:23.19 | rooisto47 | wols: this page don't involve realtek ! |
| 19:23.30 | webad_13 | Woet: wols karlpinc_ with samba for example ... so smb.conf? |
| 19:23.45 | wols | webad_13: yes |
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| 19:24.21 | wols | rooisto47: it has the newest kernel drivers (from day before yesterday) compilable for your 2.6.32 kernel. that includes your realtek chip |
| 19:24.48 | wols | rooisto47: any wireless driver that is in current mainline kernel |
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| 19:26.19 | Bushmills | Woet: there are no "debian/rox" or "debian/rocks" in those files, that compensates somewhat :) |
| 19:26.37 | tdn | wols, it works! thanks for the hint. |
| 19:26.43 | Abddu | Which man page to read for stuff like "for i in" etc? |
| 19:27.03 | tdn | I have a disk image from a Mac computer. How do I mount this? |
| 19:27.19 | tdn | It uses GPT (GUID Partition Table |
| 19:27.27 | rooisto47 | wols: so I went to that page http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download/stable/ and download the first release "compat-wireless-3.0-rc1-1.tar.bz2" it ok with that ? |
| 19:27.27 | tdn | ) |
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| 19:29.01 | AntiCasp3r | hi guys |
| 19:29.13 | stew | Abddu: the manpage for the shell you are targetting. if its sh, you might "man sh" or you might want to limit yourself to stuff which is posix compliant, so perhaps "man posh" (after installing posh, which is a minimal posix complaint shell) |
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| 19:29.25 | lamah | why dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/xxx bs=446 count=1 not works for me, how can i remove GRUB from MBR in my second hdd, before a couple of time this low-level command works, I have GRUB in MBR on /dev/sda and on /dev/sdb, I want to remove it from /dev/sdb (second hdd) ? |
| 19:29.28 | AntiCasp3r | anyone who like to help me configurating my nvidia driver for squeeze? |
| 19:30.28 | stew | lamah: that should work. are you going to replace grub with some other bootloader? or are you just trying to make the drive not have a bootloader at all? |
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| 19:32.17 | AntiCasp3r | how can i rename my xorg.conf.new via root terminal because after nvidia driver installation my KDE wont start? |
| 19:32.32 | thewanderer1s | I have a few keys not recognized by GNOME. they are supposed to change screen brightness. how to make GNOME detect keypresses and react to them? |
| 19:32.54 | streuner__ | AntiCasp3r: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 19:33.19 | thewanderer1s | or how would I change the screen brightness anyway? there doesn't seem to be anything suitable for this... should I try some dbus commands, or am I missing a program? |
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| 19:34.02 | Abddu | stew: Thanks. But my "man bash" has just three generic lines about "for i in", obviously no examples (why would one need examples... doh). Do you know any web resource that has a more "for dummies" approach? |
| 19:34.07 | streuner__ | AntiCasp3r: yes, iam german, but please keep the convo here |
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| 19:34.52 | AntiCasp3r | followed this tutorial but after reboot I only could reach the login screen |
| 19:34.55 | AntiCasp3r | http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-confighw.html#s-nvidia |
| 19:35.18 | stew | Abddu: i don't, sorry |
| 19:35.25 | AntiCasp3r | and made as root dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:35.56 | AntiCasp3r | but xorg.conf.new was copied to /root |
| 19:36.15 | AntiCasp3r | and i think i just need to rename this file and copy it to /etc/X11 |
| 19:36.24 | AntiCasp3r | right? |
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| 19:38.52 | streuner__ | AntiCasp3r: you didnt read <nvidia> carefully, didnt you? |
| 19:39.01 | webad_13 | wols: how do I know on which interface smb service is assigned currently? |
| 19:39.21 | AntiCasp3r | the manual?? |
| 19:39.24 | streuner__ | AntiCasp3r: we dont support non open source |
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| 19:39.54 | wols | webad_13: interfaces = .... and bind interfaces only = yes |
| 19:40.04 | streuner__ | AntiCasp3r: if you using binaries which comes from nvidia, we arent able to help, just check out #nvidia then. |
| 19:40.15 | AntiCasp3r | but is there any open 3d accelation driver? |
| 19:40.26 | streuner__ | no |
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| 19:40.42 | wols | AntiCasp3r: this howto is very very old and outdated |
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| 19:40.44 | webad_13 | wols: yes that's fine, but if I'd like to check on which interface it is listening is there a way to see that? |
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| 19:40.52 | streuner__ | open source drivers doesnt support 3d at all |
| 19:40.57 | wols | streuner__: there is. just not necessairly in debian right now |
| 19:41.04 | wols | webad_13: netstat |
| 19:41.20 | streuner__ | wols: great, you are the man :-) |
| 19:41.28 | AntiCasp3r | ok maybe ill try another channel |
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| 19:42.04 | wols | AntiCasp3r: the nvidia factoid should have told you what to do. there is also #debian.de if you want to try there. but they won't tell you anything different, really |
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| 19:42.10 | NightMiles | ,versions lighttpd |
| 19:42.11 | judd | Package lighttpd on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.19-5+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.4.19-5+lenny2; squeeze: 1.4.28-2; sid: 1.4.28-5; wheezy: 1.4.28-5 |
| 19:42.25 | project2501a | ,versions your-mom |
| 19:42.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'your-mom' was found in i386. |
| 19:42.49 | streuner__ | wols: for sure, he should try that, i doubt he has much luck with non open sources... |
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| 19:43.38 | tdn | I have a disk image from a Mac computer. How do I mount this? It uses GPT (GUID Partition Table) |
| 19:43.41 | wols | streuner__: if you haven't read it, the factoid mentions both drivers |
| 19:43.48 | AntiCasp3r | ok ill try my best with reading and maybe ill find someone who can help me |
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| 19:44.32 | wols | AntiCasp3r: there shouldn't be any xorg.conf normally |
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| 19:44.46 | streuner__ | wols: he using nvidia... |
| 19:45.04 | stew | tdn: have a look at kpartx |
| 19:45.08 | streuner__ | wols: did you forget that? |
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| 19:46.11 | AntiCasp3r | normally there was no xorg.conf i created 1 with dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:46.30 | somiaj | looking for wireless help. I want to connect to a open/guest wireless network that requires web based confirmation. I want to do this without a network manager. I've tried both the line wpa-ssid <ssid> and wireless-ssid <ssid> with dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces but getting no dhcp response. |
| 19:46.50 | somiaj | (partly I need to connnect to install wicd for a network manager, but I prefer to know what happens behind the curtain) |
| 19:47.19 | thewanderer1s | how can I assign an X key code to a key code globally? |
| 19:47.22 | wols | somiaj: you said it's open but then you want to use wpa? |
| 19:47.24 | rooisto47 | wols: I downloaded the "http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download/stable/..." uncompressed it ... but I can't find how to use it |
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| 19:48.22 | rooisto47 | i found (rtl8192se) in it show i think it's ok ... just tell me how to use it |
| 19:48.26 | regularfry | somiaj: do you have a wireless-mode entry in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 19:48.51 | somiaj | wols: well I haven't found any good resource on how I tell the wireless card what ssid to connect to. Yes I did think using wpasuplement wasn't the way to go, but had trouble finding the correct intrfaces options |
| 19:49.10 | wols | rooisto47: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download has a very detailed howto what you need and what you need to do |
| 19:49.11 | somiaj | regularfry: no I didn't realize it was required. just having wpa-ssid and wpa-key is all I needed to connect to my home network. |
| 19:49.33 | thewanderer1s | I can run Xmodmap, but how do I assign a keycode for all users and for GDM too? |
| 19:49.35 | somiaj | wols: I was hoping that no passphrase/key ment open, my bad. (: |
| 19:49.57 | regularfry | somiaj: I think the wpa back-end is a little more magic than the plain wireless one |
| 19:50.33 | somiaj | regularfry: yea and for an open network wpasupplement would be overkill. just using wireless-essid <esid> didn't work either, I'll keep googling. |
| 19:50.40 | regularfry | somiaj: as far as I recall, you need to specify wireless-mode, wireless-ssid and wireless-channel for it to work |
| 19:51.26 | regularfry | is no expert, but has fought exactly this battle in the past |
| 19:52.57 | regularfry | I've got a dual-core 2.8 GHz AMD box here which seems to be locked at 1GHz. Does anyone know how I can prod speedstepping into action? |
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| 19:54.58 | wols | regularfry: how did you check? normally, when there is no speedstep, the machine runs at full speed always, not at reduced |
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| 19:55.23 | eL_GaTo | Saludos a todos,,,,,,,besitos para las chicas :*) |
| 19:55.28 | somiaj | regularfry: yea /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ seems to say I do need wireless-essid and wireless-mode set and that's it. But still no go. Well I'll debug this later, or go home and install wcid for ease tommorow. |
| 19:55.33 | LordVorp | what does the 'bpo' bit mean, in the package name linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 ? |
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| 19:55.43 | regularfry | wols: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:55.47 | LordVorp | oh geeze. backports, of course... right? |
| 19:55.49 | wols | LordVorp: backports.org |
| 19:55.52 | streuner__ | dpkg, es eL_gaTo |
| 19:55.52 | dpkg | eL_gaTo: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 19:55.53 | regularfry | It's ok, I found it :-) |
| 19:55.53 | eL_GaTo | Hola |
| 19:55.55 | eL_GaTo | tengo algunos problemas alguien pudiera ayudarme ? |
| 19:55.58 | Wyvern666 | what the difference /etc/sudoers and /etc/sudoers.d ? |
| 19:56.07 | regularfry | sudo /bin/bash -c "echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" |
| 19:56.08 | LordVorp | wols: thank you. |
| 19:56.11 | streuner__ | eL_GaTo: or just speak english here :-) |
| 19:56.12 | thewanderer1s | how come GNOME does not "see" my keys (224 and 225), when `showkey -k` clearly lists what is being pressed? |
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| 19:56.24 | LordVorp | is lenny's kernel frozen at 2.6.26? |
| 19:56.27 | eL_GaTo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.47 | regularfry | Now, how do I make that stick... |
| 19:56.53 | wols | LordVorp: yes |
| 19:57.03 | streuner__ | LordVorp: who cares about lenny, stable is squeeze nowadays... |
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| 19:57.22 | somiaj | LordVorp: stables kernels are always frozen -- but any security hole patches have been backpored to that kernel and applied for as long as the security team supports lenny (maybe another 6 months or so) |
| 19:57.33 | LordVorp | streuner__: and lenny's not dead yet! :) |
| 19:57.38 | streuner__ | LordVorp: you should really use squeeze nowadays |
| 19:57.43 | streuner__ | no |
| 19:57.45 | wols | LordVorp: but it smells already |
| 19:58.06 | LordVorp | streuner__: um 2 answers: 1) duh, and 2) getting there! have a lot of systems to update |
| 19:58.19 | wols | regularfry: did you actually use your cpu fully when checking? it sounds like speedstep worked as intended |
| 19:58.20 | LordVorp | wols: lol |
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| 19:58.33 | LordVorp | regularfry: you could put that command into rc.local |
| 19:58.41 | streuner__ | LordVorp: sure, but the support for lenny isnt gone? |
| 19:58.46 | wols | regularfry: you can put the line in rc.local btw |
| 19:58.49 | ampharos | Are there any recommend graphics card that work out of the box with squeeze? |
| 19:58.59 | regularfry | wols: building firefox shouldn't have taken as long as it did :-) |
| 19:59.18 | ampharos | I'd like to get a laptop (or even better, a replacement desktop motherboard) but I want it so that it works with stable |
| 19:59.21 | streuner__ | ampharos: usually nvidia and ati, but both sucks (non sources) |
| 19:59.23 | stew | ampharos: my recommendation is to get a motherboard with intel graphics |
| 19:59.28 | wols | regularfry: compiling is I/O bound. CPU isn't very important. unless you have a SSD or something |
| 19:59.33 | ampharos | That's what I'm thinking: but what type? |
| 19:59.36 | regularfry | LordVorp: apparently there's a setting for it in /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils, which I've just stumbled across |
| 19:59.41 | somiaj | ampharos: what do you want out of it. intel/nvidia/ati all work with the free drivers for 2D stuff. If you want 3d acceleration I find the non-free nvidia modules the easiest to get working and a bit better than ati's fglxr |
| 19:59.53 | ampharos | I presume i3 integrated graphics is a no for OOTB with squeeze |
| 19:59.58 | ampharos | all I need is 2D |
| 20:00.15 | streuner__ | well, VESA then :-) |
| 20:00.20 | wols | ampharos: sandybridge isn't supported too well, yes. nehalem/arrandale is fine tho |
| 20:00.22 | ampharos | I already have a motherboard but it's graphics card is freaking horrible |
| 20:00.23 | jelly-home | ampharos: which i3? |
| 20:00.31 | ampharos | not too sure |
| 20:00.41 | wols | ampharos: 3 numbers or 4 numbers? |
| 20:00.45 | somiaj | ampharos: I belive the integrated graphics understands basic intel stuff, so the intel driver should work |
| 20:00.47 | ampharos | I already have an LGA775 board, everything is fine except the crap graphics IGP on it |
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| 20:01.07 | ampharos | SiS stuff, blech |
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| 20:01.25 | ampharos | I want to replace it with a mobo with Intel IGP |
| 20:01.58 | wols | tons of choices for desktop and laptop both with intel gpu |
| 20:02.18 | ampharos | I'd like to get an AMD motherboard but then I have to deal with AMD and nVidia GFX |
| 20:02.20 | thewanderer1s | so any idea how to make X see keys which `showkey` is already seeing? |
| 20:02.34 | wols | ampharos: nvidia doesn't make chipsets anymore |
| 20:02.49 | jelly-home | thewanderer1s: set correct keyboard model with setxkbmap, maybe |
| 20:02.50 | ampharos | there are old ones |
| 20:02.53 | wols | ampharos: do you already have a LGA775 CPU? |
| 20:02.58 | ampharos | klike newegg still sells 6100M desktops |
| 20:03.11 | ampharos | wols: yes, Pentium D |
| 20:03.17 | thewanderer1s | jelly-home: um, the layout is fine, it's just some "multimedia" key |
| 20:03.20 | wols | ampharos: apparently someone sold you a SIS based mobo too. doesn't mean you should buy it |
| 20:03.40 | ampharos | it's OK. |
| 20:03.56 | ampharos | except for the godawful gfx chipset, so I must slay it |
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| 20:04.12 | ampharos | even my old rage pro card is better than it |
| 20:04.26 | ampharos | but this motherboard has no AGP. |
| 20:04.36 | ampharos | and I think it's the PCI, not PCIe version |
| 20:04.38 | thewanderer1s | just seems that something is masking out my keypresses |
| 20:05.58 | thewanderer1s | I only get some KeymapNotify crap in xev instead of proper Key events |
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| 20:08.23 | ampharos | so yeah, what model of intel gfx is best for squeeze? |
| 20:08.36 | shred | hey i am trying to istall compiz but it fails to load the libraries but i know they are installed |
| 20:08.47 | thewanderer1s | ok, looks like someone has grabbed my keys under GNOME. what are possible candidates for kill -15 ? |
| 20:09.07 | ampharos | thewanderer1s: init |
| 20:09.24 | thewanderer1s | that's not even GNOME... |
| 20:09.35 | ampharos | just checking for gulliblity |
| 20:09.37 | ampharos | i like you |
| 20:09.40 | ampharos | you're not a sucker! |
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| 20:09.52 | ampharos | but honestly, gnome power manager? |
| 20:10.19 | thewanderer1s | ok, let's try it... I usually don't look under GNOME's hood, much more "magical" to me than KDE |
| 20:10.51 | shred | i miss kde3 |
| 20:11.00 | thewanderer1s | yeah it was gnome-power-manager |
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| 20:11.12 | thewanderer1s | now the remaining question is, why it would capture my keystrokes and do nothing |
| 20:11.18 | ampharos | probably expecting a sleep key |
| 20:11.40 | thewanderer1s | a sleep key? |
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| 20:11.55 | thewanderer1s | I'd at least count on it adjusting my screen brightness |
| 20:11.56 | ampharos | my keyboard has a sleep button, puts the pc in sleep if sleep works |
| 20:12.04 | ampharos | if you have a desktop gnome power manager is useless |
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| 20:12.10 | Justin | ampharos: not true |
| 20:12.17 | thewanderer1s | it's a laptop really |
| 20:12.20 | ampharos | can it if it doesn't take out half of gnome because of bad packaging |
| 20:12.32 | ampharos | well it's not as needed |
| 20:12.39 | shred | libwnck-1.so.22: cannot open shared object file |
| 20:12.46 | shred | does anyone know how to fix this |
| 20:12.47 | shred | ? |
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| 20:13.12 | thewanderer1s | well, let's try a newer kernel |
| 20:13.21 | thewanderer1s | I hope it supports the screen controls on this hardware |
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| 20:14.32 | foetus | btw, which package supports Intel GMA X4500 OnBoard Graphics under X? i mean, with full OGL support.. |
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| 20:14.52 | streuner__ | dpkg, listvals 4500 |
| 20:14.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of '4500' by value (6): w|ggl|t ;; wigglit ;; wigglit #DEL# ;; w|ggl|t #DEL# ;; file-roller ;; airo. |
| 20:15.10 | streuner__ | sound promising :-) |
| 20:15.15 | stew | shred: its in the libwnck22 package |
| 20:15.27 | stew | foetus: xserver-xorg-video-intel is the intel driver for X |
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| 20:15.47 | foetus | stew: with GL? |
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| 20:16.04 | ampharos | is away: I'm busy |
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| 20:16.19 | stew | foetus: it supports gl. i don't know specifically about your card |
| 20:16.29 | stew | ampharos: please turn that off in here |
| 20:16.39 | streuner__ | foetus: xserver-xorg-video-intel supports many chipsets... |
| 20:16.51 | streuner__ | but sometimes it sucks |
| 20:16.52 | shred | stew: how do i update a program to read the right library? |
| 20:17.07 | jelly-home | foetus: you need libgl1-mesa-dru installed for 3D |
| 20:17.08 | stew | shred: what are you trying to do? what gave you that error? |
| 20:17.26 | jelly-home | foetus: libgl1-mesa-dri, even |
| 20:17.57 | foetus | jelly-home, stew: ok, thanks:) |
| 20:17.59 | shred | stew: i am trying to run emerald compositing manager |
| 20:18.05 | shred | stew: compiz works |
| 20:18.23 | foetus | streuner__: thanks too;) |
| 20:18.38 | shred | emerald: error while loading shared libraries: libwnck-1.so.22: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 20:19.07 | stew | shred: is the libwnck22 package installed? |
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| 20:19.19 | streuner__ | shred: cool, what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
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| 20:20.22 | shred | ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:20.30 | streuner__ | hm, squeeze |
| 20:20.38 | streuner__ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 20:20.39 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-4; wheezy: 2.13-4 |
| 20:20.53 | shred | i was able to find that library in the /usr/lib directory |
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| 20:21.21 | shred | Linux deb 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 20:21.45 | streuner__ | so, please answer what stew asked you then |
| 20:22.04 | shred | yes it is installed |
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| 20:23.21 | Justin | shred: are you mixing 64bit and 32bit programs? |
| 20:23.57 | shred | shred@deb:/usr/lib$ ls -al libwnck* |
| 20:23.57 | shred | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 481636 Sep 27 2010 libwnck-1.a |
| 20:23.57 | shred | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 6 11:41 libwnck-1.so -> libwnck-1.so.22.3.29 |
| 20:23.57 | shred | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Jun 6 11:58 libwnck-1.so.18 -> /usr/lib/libwnck-1.so |
| 20:23.57 | shred | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Jun 6 11:59 libwnck-1.so.22 -> /usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.18 |
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| 20:25.03 | jelly-home | cheating with sonames, not as easy |
| 20:25.17 | stew | yeah |
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| 20:25.29 | twobitsprite | doh |
| 20:25.29 | shred | sorry i forgot i cant do that |
| 20:25.31 | twobitsprite | $ sudo fail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 20:25.31 | twobitsprite | sudo: fail: command not found |
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| 20:25.46 | Justin | fail |
| 20:25.52 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 20:26.01 | stew | shred: did you create all those symlinks by hand? |
| 20:26.07 | shred | justin : i could of done that by accident |
| 20:26.11 | shred | stew : no |
| 20:26.42 | stew | shred: what version of libwnck22 is installed? |
| 20:26.59 | shred | stew : let me check |
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| 20:27.28 | shred | stew i believe it is libwnck-1.so.22.3.29 |
| 20:27.36 | project2501a | hey guys, how can i recursively get every insitution in the .edu tld? |
| 20:27.39 | thewanderer1s | is there maybe a samsung-backlight equivalent for Debian or do I just grab and install the Ubuntu package> |
| 20:27.49 | stew | judd: versions libwnck22 |
| 20:27.50 | judd | Package libwnck22 on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-1; squeeze: 2.30.4-2; sid: 2.30.4-3; wheezy: 2.30.4-3 |
| 20:28.08 | stew | shred: can you check what version of the libwnck22 package you have installed? |
| 20:28.09 | thewanderer1s | project2501a: um... ask the domain operator to give you a listing? |
| 20:28.31 | project2501a | thewanderer1: i think i can do it with nslookup |
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| 20:28.38 | shred | stew : how exactly do i pinpoint the version? |
| 20:28.41 | project2501a | something like nslookup; > ls *.edu |
| 20:28.50 | stew | shred: dpkg -l packagename |
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| 20:30.01 | shred | stew : like this " dpkg -l packagename libwnck-1.so " ? |
| 20:30.20 | thewanderer1s1 | project2501a: sure, but you'd have to get a list of all edu domains |
| 20:30.30 | Bushmills | gone |
| 20:30.32 | stew | shred: the package name is libwnck22 |
| 20:31.02 | shred | when i type" dpkg -l packagename libwnck" it says no packages found |
| 20:31.16 | stew | shred: dpkg -l libwnck22 |
| 20:31.17 | project2501a | thewanderer1: how |
| 20:31.25 | wols | is there a way for "find" to only output filenames, not the full pathname? |
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| 20:32.00 | stew | wols: probably with -printf |
| 20:32.02 | shred | stew : thanks for your patience, it is libwnck22 2.30.4-2 |
| 20:32.04 | streuner__ | wols: i would ask #bash about find |
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| 20:32.10 | karlpinc_ | wols: pipe the output to "xargs basename" otherwise. |
| 20:32.13 | project2501a | wols: also with find --level 1 |
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| 20:32.26 | DeeTah | hi, i have a problem with my debian. for some reason i can't remember i changed the main repo for a while to sid, and it pulled the new libc. now two expect me to downgrade it (libc-dev-bin: Depends: libc6 (< 2.12) but 2.13-4 is installed. libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.11.2-10) but 2.13-4 is installed.). how to trick dpkg I use libc 2.11.2-10? |
| 20:32.28 | streuner__ | judd, versions libwnck22 |
| 20:32.30 | project2501a | it all depends to where you are starting your search from |
| 20:32.30 | judd | Package libwnck22 on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-1; squeeze: 2.30.4-2; sid: 2.30.4-3; wheezy: 2.30.4-3 |
| 20:32.55 | thewanderer1s1 | project2501a: yeah, that's what I mean - there is no "how" |
| 20:33.00 | streuner__ | that makes no sence |
| 20:33.06 | stew | shred: that version only supplies a /usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.22 which is a symlink to /usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.22.3.29 ; you have a bunch of other symlinks and you are missing libwnck-1.so.22.3.29 ; someone must have been messing around in there |
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| 20:33.18 | stew | shred: you can perhaps try reinstalling libwnck22 |
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| 20:33.37 | project2501a | thewanderer1: i specifally remember an ls option in nslokup. maybe it is also present in dig |
| 20:33.45 | shred | stew : it was me because i couldnt install it from a binary i tried to install it from source |
| 20:33.56 | shred | ok thanks |
| 20:34.04 | Bushmills | thewanderer1s1: dig @g.edu-servers.net edu axfr would probably do, assuming zone transfer permissions are granted to you |
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| 20:34.52 | thewanderer1s1 | Bushmills: yeah well... I assume you'd need to ask for them, hence the idea to ask for a full listing instead |
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| 20:35.17 | Bushmills | running a slave server of edu zone would be sufficient |
| 20:35.34 | thewanderer1s1 | I've got an Ubuntu "ppa" URL - how to translate that into something usable to be put in sources.list? I won't mess up my system, I promise :P |
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| 20:35.48 | Justin | thewanderer1s1: why do you need this list? |
| 20:36.07 | stew | thewanderer1s1: by putting a # at the beginning of any line you add to sources.list, then it won't mess up your system for sure :) |
| 20:36.09 | thewanderer1s1 | Justin: ugly hardware hacks cause my netbook doesn't have proper ACPI support for backlight and WiFI |
| 20:36.21 | streuner__ | stew: lol |
| 20:36.25 | thewanderer1s1 | stew: yeah well, I can download that by hand... :P |
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| 20:36.56 | wols | stew: thanks. -printf %f"\n" does the trick |
| 20:37.01 | thewanderer1s1 | there are no Debian repositories for this, though, and increasing my system battery runtime by 100% is worth installing a few Ubuntu packages I guess |
| 20:37.22 | DeeTah | ...never mind. figured it out myself. |
| 20:37.42 | stew | thewanderer1s1: package them for debian! |
| 20:38.24 | thewanderer1s1 | stew: ok, as soon as I manage to gather as many hours of runtime as I need for doing that without recharging :P |
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| 20:40.13 | Justin | thewanderer1s1: oh, I got you 2 confused :) |
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| 20:40.21 | Justin | project2501a: why do you need this list? |
| 20:40.40 | bbd | ls |
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| 20:43.04 | thewanderer1s1 | turns out samsung-backlight is just some modprobe.d entry |
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| 20:45.23 | project2501a | Justin: we are having a bit of a d**kwar at the workplace. central IT is trying to enforce redhat 6 on everybody, mostly because IBM says so. So, I would like to put together of all the .edu places which run debian. |
| 20:45.31 | thewanderer1s1 | oh great. and a non-standard kernel module. |
| 20:46.30 | Abddu | My openssh server is reported by bootlog to start (without failure), but upon login ssh server doesn't work, "/etc/init.d/ssh status" returns "could not access PID file for sshd ... failed!". After "/etc/initd/ssh restart" it works smoothly. I'm completely out of ideas where more to look for, desparately need help. More details (including some logs) on the forums: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=65104 |
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| 20:50.34 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: The pid file is kept in /var/run. Is there something special about /var? |
| 20:51.11 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: How about /etc/init.d/ssh start? Does that work or is "restart" required? |
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| 20:51.53 | Abddu | karlpinc_: Nothing special I would know off. # ls -l /var | grep log :: drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Jun 6 19:05 log |
| 20:52.27 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: I'm thinking more about the mounting of the partition (if it has one.) |
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| 20:53.49 | Abddu | karlpinc_: From what I remember both start and restart give exactly same results. /var is just on the / partition, I only have /, swap and /home for the system (and some more for data) |
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| 20:54.32 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: How about /var/log/daemon (or wherever sshd logs)? I think /var/log/syslog has everything (but auth stuff.) |
| 20:55.22 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: I think the "status" output is misleading, on second thought. If the daemon does not start there won't be a pid file. |
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| 20:55.44 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: What version of debian? |
| 20:55.58 | Abddu | karlpinc_: /var/log/daemon: No such file or directory. |
| 20:55.58 | Abddu | Squeeze, 6 |
| 20:56.10 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: daemon* |
| 20:56.24 | streuner__ | (what else, for a production server....) |
| 20:56.28 | Abddu | karlpinc_: Yes, you're right, status gives the same message after "/etc/init.d/ssh stop", so I assume it properly indicates sshd not running |
| 20:56.30 | simonlnu | auth.log actually |
| 20:56.42 | simonlnu | daemon.log* |
| 20:56.47 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: (The tab key is your friend.) |
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| 20:59.34 | Abddu | karlpinc_: grep ssh /var/log/daemon* gives nothing, grep ssh /var/log/* gives output from 4 various logs, none of them relating to ssh on boot (they mostly report failed attempts to break in by hacker-bots). |
| 21:00.16 | Abddu | karlpinc_: These are: auth (reporting failed hack-bot login attempts), boot (as above), denyhosts (bots) and rkhunter (irrelevant). Nothing else |
| 21:01.51 | ledoktre | jordanm: I guess I didn't see it talk much about a configuration file? I am going to re-read that link you sent to me now |
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| 21:02.10 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: This is in a VM? (I see virtualbox-ose) Just curious. |
| 21:02.45 | Abddu | karlpinc_: No, a regular, hardbox PC, AMD64, Debian Squeeze, a very regular setup |
| 21:03.37 | Abddu | karlpinc_: the VBox-ose are some kernel modules needed for other systems I run virtually inside this Debian Squeeze. :) |
| 21:04.23 | streuner | Abddu: so its just a desktop system, no production server? |
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| 21:05.05 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: Increase LogLevel in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and then look at the logs. (If nothing else you should be able to find out where it's logging.) |
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| 21:06.54 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: "man sshd" If you like you can do this without rebooting to see where things are logged then reboot to check. |
| 21:06.58 | Abddu | streuner: Yes, a desktop with hard-working torrent daemon and a ssh server |
| 21:07.07 | Abddu | karlpinc_: Will try, thanks. |
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| 21:08.44 | karlpinc_ | suspects mdns or some such. |
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| 21:09.48 | Abddu | karlpinc_: Could you remind me the default ssh confing file? :D |
| 21:10.03 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
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| 21:10.34 | Abddu | karlpinc_: This one, thanks. :) |
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| 21:11.25 | Abddu | karlpinc_: Current loglevel is INFO, which one do you suggest? |
| 21:11.35 | thewanderer1s1 | how much storage could a minimal kernel compile with make-kpkg take? need to know to decide whether to move the tarball to RAM and compile there |
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| 21:12.59 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: Dunno. Perhaps verbose or debug1. You don't want too much. |
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| 21:15.10 | Abddu | brb |
| 21:15.10 | karlpinc_ | thewanderer1s1: Just let the kernel use the ram for disk caching and don't worry about it. |
| 21:16.05 | miha | hmm if i use dhcp, can i stop it from rewriting resolv.conf ? |
| 21:16.06 | pickcoder | is there a painless way of net-installing Debian onto a new RH5 Xen guest? All I see is information on kickstart for RH. |
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| 21:16.17 | thewanderer1s1 | karlpinc_: ok, thanks |
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| 21:18.08 | karlpinc_ | miha: Yes. Don't accept a dns server. There's options in dhclient.conf. I forget the details. |
| 21:19.23 | karlpinc_ | pickcoder: Check the install manual. Using debootstrap might or might not do it but I'm pretty sure the install guide has an answer (for everything :). |
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| 21:31.49 | pickcoder | karlpinc_: well it would be easy if the RH vm manager actually let me use the CD... |
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| 21:32.18 | pickcoder | I can't even complete the configuration to use 'xm create' so I can hack up the boot setup |
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| 21:33.02 | Abddu | karlpinc_: Does this auth.log output mean anything to you: sshd: Set /proc/self/oom_adj from 0 to -17 // error: Bind to port 22 on 89.75.132.31 failed: Cannot assign requested address. // fatal: Cannot bind any address. |
| 21:33.13 | niftylettuce | Hi folks, I'm looking for some help with 'fancontrol' on Debian Squeze on an HP DV5Z. There is not a /etc/fancontrol config, so I am assuming my kernel does not have the ability to control the fan at this point? How might I check this and what are the steps to set up fancontrol properly in my case? |
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| 21:33.42 | Abddu | karlpinc_: Your tip to raise the Logleve was a bullseye hit. Thank you for that, finally I got it somehow narrowed. :) |
| 21:34.26 | niftylettuce | squeeze* |
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| 21:36.06 | bobo_ | is the file history created after the user has been added or the user has to execute some commands first? |
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| 21:37.54 | karlpinc_ | Abddu: Always want to look at the logs. They are your window into what the daemons are doing. So.... Your network is not yet up. You might be able to get more help here. |
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| 21:38.32 | karlpinc_ | bobo_: Depends on if there's anything in /etc/skel/.bash_history (or whatever). |
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| 21:39.54 | bobo_ | karlpinc_, but if such file doesn't exist in /etc/skel that means that the history file will be created after the user has executed commands or not? |
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| 21:46.18 | karlpinc_ | bobo_: It depends on the shell. I'd expect a history file to be created once commands are executed. |
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| 22:02.20 | ShKoDrAnI | hi there, having some problems with the sound: this is only when i try to play anything in different app, music or movie's don't have sound but when i play something on youtube with example: google chrome i have sound!! i'm on squeeze |
| 22:05.58 | ShKoDrAnI | anyone? |
| 22:07.05 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, what sound card do you have? |
| 22:08.45 | ampharos | It sounds like he only has OSS |
| 22:08.54 | ampharos | flash is OSS, but a lot of other apps use ALSA |
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| 22:09.44 | ampharos | ShKoDrAnI: you hear us? |
| 22:10.13 | Black_Prince | ampharos, his sound card does not work well ... |
| 22:10.27 | Black_Prince | I had such problems when I installed pulseaudio. |
| 22:10.33 | Black_Prince | I needed .asoundrc ... |
| 22:10.50 | ampharos | never used Pulse on debian, but it works fine on Ubuntu for me |
| 22:10.59 | Black_Prince | I use it still ... |
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| 22:11.11 | ampharos | i've only had sound card problems related to installing prop. firmware, that's a real bitch |
| 22:11.12 | Black_Prince | I could not play sound in several apps at once without it. |
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| 22:11.48 | karter | hi |
| 22:11.54 | karter | how's everyone ? |
| 22:12.00 | Black_Prince | kewl, you? |
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| 22:12.12 | karter | not so kewl - could be better :) |
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| 22:12.26 | karter | ssh -i <key> <host> '<cmd>' |
| 22:12.29 | karter | it does not exit |
| 22:12.41 | karter | it executes the command and it just waits - any idea? |
| 22:12.42 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI_, wb |
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| 22:13.01 | karter | i want it to exit - it does however execute the command or commands |
| 22:13.13 | karter | <host> = debian host |
| 22:13.19 | karter | is this debian standard behavior ? |
| 22:13.31 | themill | karter: what is the command? |
| 22:13.34 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince: i was disconnected for a sec there and i didn't what you wrote |
| 22:13.35 | karter | ls |
| 22:13.41 | karter | does not matter |
| 22:13.46 | karter | dpkg -i <foo> |
| 22:13.46 | dpkg | removes a kidney from karter and replaces it with <foo> |
| 22:13.46 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, what sound card do you have? |
| 22:13.51 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince: digital stereo duplex (IEC958) its a HP pavillondv9000 laptop |
| 22:14.01 | karter | dpkg -i |
| 22:14.01 | dpkg | karter: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:14.06 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, do you have pulseaudio installed? |
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| 22:14.30 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince, let e check |
| 22:14.39 | Black_Prince | waits |
| 22:14.42 | themill | karter: the only time I've ever had ssh not return was when the command was something like s2disk. |
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| 22:14.59 | karter | ok - the dpkg is the command that does not exit |
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| 22:15.05 | karter | what could be the reason? |
| 22:15.11 | karter | when i ssh to the machine and then try it |
| 22:15.21 | karter | it works - no interactive questions asked etc., |
| 22:15.46 | themill | karter: can you pastebin the entire output? (and use some punctuation other than hitting the enter key every 6 words) |
| 22:16.47 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince, i don't |
| 22:17.51 | karter | http://pastebin.com/xQLPHFrz |
| 22:18.37 | MadHaTTeR666 | i am a direct decendant of the black prince |
| 22:20.48 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, do you know is your sound card capable of hardware mixing? |
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| 22:21.35 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince, what you mean by mixing exactly? |
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| 22:21.53 | karter | it looks like it never prints the setting up statement |
| 22:22.03 | karter | but when I ssh and then execute it works fine |
| 22:22.07 | karter | what could be the problem? |
| 22:22.16 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, Is your hardware capable of playing multiple sounds at once. |
| 22:22.55 | themill | karter: are there any maintainer scripts (postinst or config) in that package? |
| 22:22.56 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, I had a problem where I had sound in flash, but when flash was playing, no other application could play sound. When I shut down browser, eg rhythmbox could play music, but not totem at same time. |
| 22:23.24 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, that means my card does not support hardware mixing, if you get me. |
| 22:23.36 | karter | themill: ah, yes there are |
| 22:23.45 | karter | which does some simple checking etc., |
| 22:24.11 | karter | the centos / RHEL counterpart does the same and that works with no issues - should I change any of those ? |
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| 22:24.47 | themill | it's a bit hard to say right now... my crystal ball is having a bad day |
| 22:24.51 | karter | all they do is stat for a file, if present rename it - can i do dpkg with logging to see what it is ? |
| 22:24.59 | karter | dpkg with debug ? |
| 22:25.00 | dpkg | karter: i don't know |
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| 22:26.27 | MadHaTTeR666 | lol autobot |
| 22:27.01 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince, i got your point, i believe it does support hardware mixing that based on the time when i had M$ installed on it and i did have sound in multiply ways played |
| 22:27.02 | MadHaTTeR666 | dpkg whats at the end of the yellow brick road? |
| 22:27.03 | dpkg | MadHaTTeR666: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 22:28.08 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, Mine works too in windows. |
| 22:28.21 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince, just tried playing something with all the flash app closed and still no sound |
| 22:28.36 | karter | it looks like the following happens ( i did dpkg --debug=7) |
| 22:28.36 | cyrus_mc | I have an old debian 4 system. The initrd image doesn't seem to be a standard gzip cpio archive as a simple File initrd returns Compressed ROM filesystem. Was this the standard back in debian 4 days? |
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| 22:28.38 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, Btw, I fixed that problem in Debian by installing pulseaudio (which is not recommended by many people). |
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| 22:28.58 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince, i'll have a look at that then |
| 22:29.17 | karter | D000001: deferred_configure updating conffiles D000002: fork/exec /var/lib/dpkg/info/scale.postinst ( configure ) |
| 22:29.33 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, but installing pulseaudio did not fix my problem, I needed to route alsa through pulseaudio first by creating .asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf |
| 22:29.42 | MrFrood | pulseaudio = nasty latencies |
| 22:29.53 | karter | so why does that not return - it rertusn fine when I login and do the same install |
| 22:30.06 | karter | looks like dpkg is waiting for something when it should not be ? |
| 22:30.40 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, you see ... It is not very honored. But even ubuntu guys use it by default since 8.x ... |
| 22:31.02 | ShKoDrAnI | MrFrood, any other suggestions then? |
| 22:31.09 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince, i see |
| 22:31.24 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, also, is your user in audio group? |
| 22:32.01 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince, not sure to be honest |
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| 22:32.20 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, open terminal (as normal user) and type 'groups' without quotes. |
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| 22:32.41 | MrFrood | not easy ones - unless you are doing hq recordings or outputting to audiophile grade hifi it should not be something to worry about |
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| 22:33.35 | karter | anyone ? |
| 22:33.36 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince, audio its on the group of the user |
| 22:33.38 | karter | themill: ? |
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| 22:34.35 | themill | karter: I've never seen that sort of behaviour before -- you could try providing more information |
| 22:34.58 | karter | like what ? |
| 22:35.00 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, If you aren't an audiophile you won't even notice difference between pulseaudio and alsa. If you care about Just Works (TM), give it a try. |
| 22:35.58 | themill | karter: well since this isn't a debian package you're playing with, some information about it. The contents of the maintainer scripts, for example. |
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| 22:37.32 | ShKoDrAnI | Black_Prince, i'll give it a try |
| 22:37.36 | ShKoDrAnI | thank you |
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| 22:39.44 | Black_Prince | ShKoDrAnI, If you choose to install pulseaudio, simply type 'apt-get install pulseaudio' and create .asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf like one on this page http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Troubleshooting |
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| 22:47.27 | mysticsilent | goodevening, can someone point me to te right directions to install my Microsoft MCE remote in Debian squeeze stable? i tried install lirc with aptitude but it cant start the lirc deamon. |
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| 22:50.23 | qwp | hi i just discovered that i have 111/tcp rpcbind open. why is it open and how can i close it? |
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| 22:50.53 | Black_Prince | qwp do you have bind daemon running? |
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| 22:51.33 | Black_Prince | or portmap |
| 22:52.09 | qwp | Black_Prince: i dont know i just installed debian |
| 22:52.34 | Black_Prince | Gah, I think portmap is installed with "Standard System" option in Debian Installer -> Select Install Software |
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| 22:53.16 | babilen | indeed |
| 22:54.12 | babilen | mysticsilent: It typically helps to read the README.Debian (/msg dpkg readme.debian) and look at the errors you get when you start it. You might want to share them at http://paste.debian.net |
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| 22:57.11 | qwp | Black_Prince: what is portmap |
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| 22:57.23 | qwp | i dont need it |
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| 22:57.38 | mysticsilent | these are the errors i get when installing lirc on debian and the errors when trying to configure lirc: http://pastebin.com/mJi2u2T7 |
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| 22:58.01 | Black_Prince | !portmap |
| 22:58.01 | dpkg | portmap is a server converting <RPC> program numbers into DARPA protocol port numbers, used widely by <NFS> and <NIS>. Superseded by rpcbind, removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #567502. |
| 22:58.03 | qwp | hey how can i have my own /home/etc/hosts? |
| 22:58.07 | qwp | it tried but it doesnt work |
| 22:58.09 | qwp | thx |
| 22:58.17 | qwp | why would i need that portmap Black_Prince |
| 22:58.48 | Black_Prince | qwp, I have no idea. |
| 22:59.47 | qwp | Black_Prince: ok how can i remove that useless crap |
| 22:59.58 | Black_Prince | qwp, as root 'apt-get purge portmap' |
| 23:00.07 | qwp | Black_Prince: ok |
| 23:00.17 | qwp | or apt-get purge rpcbind |
| 23:00.29 | ampharos | rpc might be useful, but it ashould be safe |
| 23:00.42 | Black_Prince | I don't know. Try both. |
| 23:00.44 | ampharos | like always: if it's making the system wionky reinstall |
| 23:01.00 | qwp | hm |
| 23:01.16 | qwp | ampharos: you mean it should be safe to just leave it as is? |
| 23:01.30 | ampharos | I leave portmap running |
| 23:01.35 | qwp | why |
| 23:01.42 | qwp | what can it be used for? |
| 23:01.46 | ampharos | I just use the gnome service editor to prevent it from starting up |
| 23:01.51 | ampharos | so it's still there if needed |
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| 23:03.52 | qwp | ok thanks ampharos |
| 23:04.15 | mysticsilent | how can i open a readme.debian manual? |
| 23:04.56 | babilen | mysticsilent: Open a terminal and use a pager of your choice. "less /usr/share/doc/<PKG>/README.Debian" will typically do (you can leave that with "q") |
| 23:05.40 | mysticsilent | ty babilen im going to check it out |
| 23:06.09 | babilen | mysticsilent: It is a plain text file (or zipped) ... |
| 23:07.01 | babilen | mysticsilent: http://lirc.org/faq.html and #lirc might also come in handy. |
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| 23:08.34 | babilen | mysticsilent: Sorry, I've never played with it, hence the generic support. Knowing what the error is when you are starting it might provide further clues. |
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| 23:22.05 | afuentes | can i safely remove exim from my system? is it used to deliver local email? why is in the default debian installation if usually ppl does not use comp as an MTA? |
| 23:22.36 | raz0 | used to deliver local mail, yes |
| 23:22.44 | raz0 | and that's why it's there :) |
| 23:22.59 | afuentes | i see |
| 23:23.07 | afuentes | thanks raz0 |
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| 23:24.12 | acu | I heard gnome3 is extraordinary - I have installed squeeze amd64 - if I want to have gnome 3 - do I need to change my repositories from squeeze to testing or experimental ? - Is anything else needed to do ? |
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| 23:29.30 | DasEi | acu: I can tell from ubuntu only, there I had to add gnome3's repos and then install ubuntu-desktop just, flawless in my vm so far |
| 23:32.45 | acu | sid is testing ? |
| 23:32.49 | acu | !sit |
| 23:32.49 | dpkg | sits |
| 23:32.54 | acu | !sid |
| 23:32.54 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; . Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 23:33.21 | acu | !experimental |
| 23:33.21 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 23:34.53 | babilen | acu: I hope those warnings convinced you already to not try it. If not: Do not mix wheezy/sid/experimental with squeeze |
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| 23:35.13 | acu | !wheezy |
| 23:35.13 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 23:35.32 | acu | babilen: thanks |
| 23:35.34 | babilen | !tell acu -about msgthebot |
| 23:35.49 | DasEi | heh, dpkg sits, ok, keep ontopic |
| 23:36.02 | thewanderer1s | what UPS should I get to work with Debian with minimal hassle? should support notifying my server of power failure to perform a clean shutdown. |
| 23:36.11 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.38 | themill | if you can't find it yourself... |
| 23:37.38 | babilen | acu: If you try this you will most likely break your system. Wait *at least* until it enters sid or wheezy. Running wheezy/sid also means that you will need knowledge of Debian and Debian's packaging system. Please read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable before you attempt this. |
| 23:37.58 | DasEi | acu: I just did a google, and it seems to be there, maybe better try in a vm first, as the tutorials found don't look too promising |
| 23:38.10 | acu | thewanderer1s, I used cyberpower - and works fine - I could not use CLI for it (did not have enough time and neurons to find details) but from gnome there is a choice to manage power - and it connects to your UPS (mine connected through a USB) |
| 23:38.13 | babilen | !tell acu -about gnome3 |
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| 23:38.48 | thewanderer1s | acu: okay, thanks (although I won't be running a GUI on a server really) |
| 23:39.10 | acu | DasEi: you are right - maybe I should try a VM first - just got a couple of Solid State Drives - man - they kick butt big time - everything is wheezy :) |
| 23:40.56 | DasEi | acu: vm is reinstalled in minutes ;) |
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| 23:41.21 | acu | thewanderer1s, are you in US ? - did you buy your UPS ? - If you get a cyberpower and find CLI control for it - I am interested in it - Cyberpower work perfect - last more than I need to have a gentle shutdown - and they are cheap (and made proudly in USA :) |
| 23:42.05 | thewanderer1s | acu, the answer to both question is no |
| 23:42.30 | acu | than you have to come here :) |
| 23:42.41 | thewanderer1s | APC is the most obvious choice for me but they're rather expensive |
| 23:42.59 | thewanderer1s | would be helpful to know if they use the same protocol over USB as Cyberpower |
| 23:43.14 | thewanderer1s | I'll look into that company, though - looks very promising. thanks for the hint :) |
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| 23:44.15 | acu | Yes I found a lot about APC - I think cyberpower has technical support and they have linux cli control - I just did not have time to call and ask them - but I might need to do it soon - since I want to avoid GNOME for a server |
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| 23:45.04 | acu | did anyone tried to compare kvm with virtualbox ? |
| 23:45.25 | thewanderer1s | acu, there are comparisons on the Web |
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| 23:47.19 | PhoenixSTF | heelo guys, I am doing a raid 5 with mdadm, and its doing a sync now it has UUU_ |
| 23:47.30 | PhoenixSTF | is this normal for a new raid? |
| 23:48.28 | thewanderer1s | acu, this article is decent: http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/virtualization-shootout-vmware-server-vs-virutalbox-vs-kvm |
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| 23:49.11 | babilen | No Xen? |
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| 23:49.34 | PhoenixSTF | xen is better |
| 23:49.37 | PhoenixSTF | :) |
| 23:49.37 | thewanderer1s | yeah, no Xen... at least all presented solutions are non-hypervisor ones |
| 23:49.52 | thewanderer1s | !tell PhoenixSTF about best |
| 23:49.53 | thewanderer1s | :P |
| 23:50.04 | PhoenixSTF | lol |
| 23:50.17 | thewanderer1s | as dpkg says, everything is a matter of criteria :P |
| 23:50.32 | PhoenixSTF | ok let me explain, xen is more complicated, but has a rather better performance than Vbox or even KVM |
| 23:50.42 | PhoenixSTF | altough it uses some kvm stuff |
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| 23:51.13 | acu | I use kvm now - for server is OK but if I want to install it in Mac or Windows - Kvm is not for those - and it has no drivers and connection to periferals etc - or at least is not straight forward |
| 23:51.36 | thewanderer1s | not sure about local workloads, but for network throughput I have to agree, although I haven't tested the host-side virtio helper yet |
| 23:51.47 | PhoenixSTF | With kvm you have full virtualization |
| 23:51.56 | thewanderer1s | so do you with Xen :P |
| 23:52.14 | demonkeeper | Xen has full and paravirtualization. |
| 23:52.22 | demonkeeper | And even some hybrid modes |
| 23:52.28 | thewanderer1s | so does KVM |
| 23:52.43 | demonkeeper | KVM has some PV-on-HVM drivers |
| 23:52.52 | PhoenixSTF | Kvm is good but not yet on the point to be better then kvm |
| 23:52.58 | demonkeeper | Or whatever they are called there |
| 23:53.02 | PhoenixSTF | Kvm is good but not yet on the point to be better then xen 4.0 |
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| 23:53.26 | PhoenixSTF | altough its easier to deploy... |
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| 23:53.35 | PhoenixSTF | xen you have to study a lot |
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| 23:53.38 | thewanderer1s | but then: LXC is better than xen ;P |
| 23:53.47 | PhoenixSTF | lxc? |
| 23:54.09 | demonkeeper | lxc is a completely different thing |
| 23:54.09 | thewanderer1s | yeah, namespaces+cgroups, OS-level virt so you get no overhead |
| 23:54.15 | demonkeeper | Its no virtualization at all |
| 23:54.32 | thewanderer1s | it's OS-level virtualization, but no emulation, agreed |
| 23:54.43 | demonkeeper | Its a chrooted context switch, similar to UML and linux-vserver |
| 23:54.47 | demonkeeper | Or jails on BSDs |
| 23:55.05 | thewanderer1s | yup, and people call it virtualization, could you imagine? :P |
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| 23:55.29 | PhoenixSTF | well but its only for linux.... |
| 23:55.35 | PhoenixSTF | rigth? |
| 23:55.46 | thewanderer1s | yeah... happens |
| 23:55.46 | demonkeeper | Since it does not virtualize: of course |
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| 23:56.04 | PhoenixSTF | acu, IMO if you can get xen 4.0 to work, there is no stoping you on linux :) |
| 23:56.29 | thewanderer1s | but then Solaris Zones are not virtualization, yet they can run RHEL inside, so the barrier between virt and non-virt is quite blurry these days |
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| 23:57.02 | PhoenixSTF | now anyone can help me on RAID 5 software? i just created the dam device and its syncing somehow is this normal? |
| 23:57.09 | Lesterwood | primary or logical partition |
| 23:57.10 | acu | I wonder why the Debian Menu is taken from the Gnome in squeeze - makes not a bit of sense to take it off |
| 23:57.18 | thewanderer1s | PhoenixSTF: it has to sync after creation, yes |
| 23:57.20 | PhoenixSTF | primary alll |
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| 23:57.36 | PhoenixSTF | so UUU_ is normal |
| 23:57.45 | thewanderer1s | that I didn't say |
| 23:57.46 | PhoenixSTF | its doing the parity thing? right? |
| 23:58.04 | thewanderer1s | there should be additional indication in /proc/mdstat that it is syncing, along with a progress bar |
| 23:58.05 | MrFrood | acu: do you have the menu package installed ? |
| 23:58.39 | PhoenixSTF | [==>..................] recovery = 11.2% (54993524/488382464) finish=157.5min speed=45827K/sec |
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| 23:58.46 | thewanderer1s | PhoenixSTF: yeah, it's fine |
| 23:58.54 | PhoenixSTF | md0 : active raid5 sdd1[4] sdc1[2] sdb1[1] sda1[0] |
| 23:58.54 | PhoenixSTF | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.00 | PhoenixSTF | :) |
| 23:59.27 | thewanderer1s | so you've got 3 active devices, 1 spare or what? |
| 23:59.41 | PhoenixSTF | i dont think so |
