| 00:00.02 | thewanderer1s | I don't remember what the numbers stand for, but make sure they are 4/4 after it has finished |
| 00:00.20 | PhoenixSTF | mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
| 00:00.25 | PhoenixSTF | this was the command i did |
| 00:00.40 | thewanderer1s | it's fine, now just wait |
| 00:00.42 | PhoenixSTF | maybe its syncing the parity one... |
| 00:00.51 | PhoenixSTF | dont know... |
| 00:00.56 | thewanderer1s | there is no single disk for parity, that'd be foolish |
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| 00:01.07 | thewanderer1s | or is there... |
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| 00:01.38 | PhoenixSTF | 3 for raid and one for parity check |
| 00:01.44 | PhoenixSTF | thats how raid5 works |
| 00:01.58 | MadHaTTeR666 | just go 1+0 |
| 00:02.00 | thewanderer1s | that's RAID3 I think |
| 00:02.00 | PhoenixSTF | i can write and read from it |
| 00:02.23 | thewanderer1s | RAID5 should distribute the parity as far as I know |
| 00:02.40 | thewanderer1s | and you will be able to use the array during the rebuild, only it will be a tad slower |
| 00:02.44 | Lesterwood | guys which partitions should be primary, does it matter? |
| 00:02.53 | Lesterwood | from /boot to /home to other shit |
| 00:02.56 | MadHaTTeR666 | yes raid 5 does stripping and mirroring |
| 00:03.00 | Lesterwood | what can you reccomend |
| 00:03.08 | thewanderer1s | Lesterwood: not really, but you probably need at least one bootable primary partition or your BIOS may foobar |
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| 00:03.29 | MadHaTTeR666 | 1+0 is the best way to go though also the most expensive though |
| 00:03.32 | Bushmills | raidpr0n |
| 00:03.36 | thewanderer1s | Lesterwood: doesn't matter what the partition is, though - Windows on Primary (bootable) + /boot and / on logical works perfectly well |
| 00:03.55 | Lesterwood | thewanderer1, which partition should be bootable |
| 00:04.00 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1s, do iu have to write anything to the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf? |
| 00:04.03 | Lesterwood | /boot, /home, /etc |
| 00:04.07 | Lesterwood | ? |
| 00:04.12 | thewanderer1s | Lesterwood: /boot or whatever contains it |
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| 00:04.27 | Lesterwood | thewanderer1, is /boot the same thing as grub |
| 00:04.51 | PhoenixSTF | Lesterwood, yes and no, /boot contains the kernel and intramfs |
| 00:05.02 | thewanderer1s | PhoenixSTF: if it's not generated automatically, I think yes |
| 00:05.08 | PhoenixSTF | also can contain some grub stuff |
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| 00:06.02 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1s, so i dont have to worrie about the raid being up if i shutdown? |
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| 00:06.15 | pokkerface | would debian be a good option for a dell lapton inspiron 6400? |
| 00:06.33 | PhoenixSTF | and it wont be a problem with otehr hdd on my nas? |
| 00:06.49 | demonkeeper | pokkerface: Debian is _always_ a good option |
| 00:07.14 | MadHaTTeR666 | lol no its not |
| 00:07.19 | PhoenixSTF | pokkerface, any linux is better than windows.... |
| 00:07.28 | acu | Lesterwood: do you want single or dual booting (with WIndows?) - in any case do not do too much phylosophy - if you are new - let the installer do it for you - one partition - then you can think about it /boot should not be bigger than 100MB (no need) - asn /swap should be double than ammount of ram (though you can run linux without a dedicated swap partition and put everything else in / |
| 00:07.37 | MadHaTTeR666 | its a option sure but not always a good one |
| 00:07.45 | Bushmills | pokkerface: debian was running nicely on my old inspiron 8500 |
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| 00:07.54 | MadHaTTeR666 | no phoenix not always |
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| 00:08.07 | Lesterwood | acu, dual |
| 00:08.13 | Lesterwood | and i am trying to learn |
| 00:08.29 | acu | with windows ? |
| 00:08.31 | Lesterwood | i don't care so much about getting though the installer so much as understanding most of it |
| 00:08.32 | pokkerface | okk, |
| 00:08.37 | MrFrood | !tell pokkerface why debian |
| 00:08.44 | MadHaTTeR666 | yeah thats my pref but u try to put a office worker on a linux box and your just asking for it |
| 00:10.07 | acu | defrag windows - shrink the partition and create two new partitions - one for linux 20 GB is enough -- and whatever for data - reboot your computer and start the netinstall debian squeeze - and tell it to install it in the 20 GB partition - that's all - at the end it will ask if you want GRUB to be installed - say yes - and when you reboot you have a choice to go to Debian or windows |
| 00:10.34 | acu | Lesterwood: ^^^^ |
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| 00:12.20 | acu | Oh - understanding comes with practice - /boot 100MB (it will be never used more than 10 if I remember) /swap double than RAM and /var (has a lot of stuff - including the default www and others - var might need more than others - of course if it is a worstation /home is ok |
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| 00:13.03 | Lesterwood | acu, currently i am in the manual partitioning config |
| 00:13.03 | PhoenixSTF | MrFrood, does it has something like why not windows? |
| 00:13.03 | PhoenixSTF | xD |
| 00:13.03 | Lesterwood | do i need all these mount points (/, /boot,/home,/temp,/usr |
| 00:13.03 | PhoenixSTF | Lesterwood, yes |
| 00:13.03 | PhoenixSTF | the / is your system root |
| 00:13.03 | Lesterwood | PhoenixSTF, how large should each be, and which one will contain the user installed programs |
| 00:13.03 | PhoenixSTF | Lesterwood, you dont have to do a partion for each one |
| 00:13.03 | Lesterwood | PhoenixSTF, the manual config is requesting it |
| 00:13.03 | PhoenixSTF | Lesterwood, if you install only one partion with only the / it will install everything there, even the /boot and /home, its like c:\ and c:\home |
| 00:13.03 | Lesterwood | PhoenixSTF, i am going though the list of possible partitions, but i do not see /swap |
| 00:13.03 | Lesterwood | why is this |
| 00:13.03 | PhoenixSTF | you only put /home in a diferent partion if you have a raid setup or other hdd that are bigger for user files |
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| 00:13.04 | PhoenixSTF | ??? |
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| 00:13.31 | PhoenixSTF | Lesterwood, are you familiar with linux? |
| 00:14.13 | MadHaTTeR666 | lol |
| 00:14.28 | Lesterwood | PhoenixSTF, new to it |
| 00:14.37 | PhoenixSTF | lol |
| 00:14.55 | PhoenixSTF | i hate to say this in this channel but if you are new you should try Ubuntu distro instead |
| 00:15.01 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:15.02 | acu | OK - lesterwiid /swap is not necessarily necessary in linux as its own partition - however when you do work with databases (postgresql or oracle) they have this "need" |
| 00:15.33 | acu | No need for ubuntu - squeeze is easy |
| 00:15.39 | acu | 3 neurons |
| 00:15.45 | PhoenixSTF | :) |
| 00:15.46 | abrotman | Everyone can use Debian .. if it doesn't work for you, you didn't try |
| 00:16.02 | Lesterwood | PhoenixSTF, unfortunately i already have |
| 00:16.08 | PhoenixSTF | yes well i agree and disagree... |
| 00:16.10 | Lesterwood | i want to move up the ladder |
| 00:16.11 | PhoenixSTF | oh you have |
| 00:16.16 | PhoenixSTF | good then |
| 00:16.16 | Lesterwood | i want to understand |
| 00:16.25 | Lesterwood | is there some guide on this? |
| 00:16.32 | abrotman | !doc |
| 00:16.33 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>, <manuals>. |
| 00:16.34 | abrotman | !docs |
| 00:16.35 | abrotman | sorry |
| 00:16.36 | MrFrood | PhoenixSTF: I'm with abrotman on this |
| 00:16.37 | acu | though ubuntu I guess makes a lot of thinks easier special for desktop |
| 00:16.41 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:16.43 | abrotman | debian.org/doc/ |
| 00:16.53 | Lesterwood | acu, ubuntu felt too much like osx to me |
| 00:16.59 | MrFrood | !why debian |
| 00:16.59 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 00:17.19 | PhoenixSTF | i have debian on my server... and ubuntu on my dektop |
| 00:17.27 | PhoenixSTF | dont kill me |
| 00:17.33 | acu | too bad - you should have debian for both |
| 00:17.49 | abrotman | does anyone actually need support, or are we just gabbing? |
| 00:18.02 | acu | gabbing : GRE word |
| 00:19.46 | acu | what's gabbing - some whord that only Sheakesepeare used ? |
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| 00:20.11 | MrFrood | acu: comes from gabby |
| 00:20.20 | acu | I like Gabby |
| 00:20.30 | acu | I want to eat her |
| 00:20.46 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 00:20.46 | acu | Oh - it was MrFrood not MrFood |
| 00:21.35 | Lesterwood | guys how do i configure a swap partition with the manual partitioning configuration, i see a bunch of /whatever but no /swap |
| 00:21.35 | Lesterwood | is it even called /swap |
| 00:21.35 | PhoenixSTF | Lesterwood, ok IMO you shouldnt put /boot /home in diferent partions if you only have only one HDD, specialy if you are rather new |
| 00:21.35 | Lesterwood | PhoenixSTF, currently the setup is windows, then / |
| 00:21.35 | PhoenixSTF | Lesterwood, /swap doenst exist |
| 00:21.35 | Lesterwood | what is the swap partition labled then |
| 00:21.35 | PhoenixSTF | you see there there is ext4 and ext3 |
| 00:21.35 | PhoenixSTF | and fat |
| 00:21.35 | PhoenixSTF | ntfs |
| 00:21.35 | PhoenixSTF | etc |
| 00:21.35 | PhoenixSTF | there is your swap |
| 00:21.35 | Lesterwood | yes |
| 00:21.35 | PhoenixSTF | its a file system |
| 00:21.35 | Lesterwood | those are file systems |
| 00:21.35 | Lesterwood | i thought /swap is a partition |
| 00:21.35 | PhoenixSTF | nop |
| 00:21.35 | Lesterwood | :| |
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| 00:21.36 | Lesterwood | yeah |
| 00:21.41 | MrFrood | acu: last comment on this (#debian-offtopic) - gabby as in "The gabby cabby" |
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| 00:21.57 | PhoenixSTF | got kiked |
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| 00:22.00 | PhoenixSTF | lol |
| 00:22.08 | abrotman | Lesterwood: it isn't mounted .. you just create a partition and tell the installer to use it as swap .. |
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| 00:22.09 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:22.09 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 00:22.20 | PhoenixSTF | Lesterwood, the /home is not a partion or a filesystem, IT is a folder of your system that you can relocate to a partion or another HDD |
| 00:22.24 | abrotman | read the installation manual, it's well outlined, you shouldn't have to ask us |
| 00:22.28 | acu | I am in offtopic now - PhoenixSTF yeah discipline and obedience are at their home in here |
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| 00:23.20 | PhoenixSTF | acu, roger that |
| 00:23.57 | PhoenixSTF | guys off to bed thanks for the help with my raid |
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| 00:26.57 | thewanderer1s | anyone running 2.6.39 with i915 without dri lockups? I'm stuck with the bit banging fallback... |
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| 00:30.34 | Lesterwood | sheesh i finally found it. its under the usage |
| 00:30.46 | Lesterwood | so swap is not a partition, it is a usage designation |
| 00:30.51 | Lesterwood | is this correct? |
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| 00:31.06 | acu | something like this |
| 00:32.17 | MrFrood | !tell Lesterwood about swap |
| 00:32.41 | Lesterwood | >have to have a swap partition |
| 00:32.52 | acu | no you dont |
| 00:33.12 | Lesterwood | im quoting the bot |
| 00:33.19 | acu | but is done automatically if you let the installer do it for you - and if you run databases - you need that |
| 00:33.25 | Lesterwood | moreover shoulden't it be labled "a partition designated as swap" |
| 00:34.55 | Lesterwood | !tell Lesterwood partitions |
| 00:34.59 | acu | !tell acu about swap |
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| 00:36.23 | MrFrood | !tell Lesterwood about self tell |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | !tell acu about selftell |
| 00:36.40 | abrotman | ... |
| 00:36.44 | Lesterwood | :| |
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| 00:36.51 | Lesterwood | how was i supposed to know that i could just ask the bot |
| 00:36.56 | Lesterwood | i'm kinda new here |
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| 00:39.29 | thewanderer1s | with EEPROM enabled in the kernel, I can't boot (hangs on some bit banging) - without EEPROM, I get awful resolutions, like 1024x768 (not sure if X uses intel at all then) |
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| 00:43.42 | MrFrood | wonders how Lesterwood will react when he discovers the other bots... |
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| 00:44.13 | thewanderer1s | really, intel graphics doesn't work for anybody on 2.6.39? crap |
| 00:44.32 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:45.06 | skiz | !tell debhelper about !tell *ducks* |
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| 00:47.43 | Lesterwood | guys now i am getting a error that the grub bootloader failed to install |
| 00:47.52 | Lesterwood | that is really bad, i kinda want a bootloader |
| 00:48.19 | abrotman | you kinda need one |
| 00:48.32 | Lesterwood | any ideas why it dosen't work |
| 00:48.36 | MrFrood | Lesterwood: stable or testing installer? |
| 00:48.41 | Lesterwood | testing installer |
| 00:49.35 | MrFrood | if it's the same thing as happened a few months ago just push on and it will install later |
| 00:50.17 | Lesterwood | a few months ago? |
| 00:50.20 | Lesterwood | i don't understand |
| 00:51.12 | MrFrood | Lesterwood: the testing installer should only really be used by advanced users as well... it is for testing purposes and as such quite often full of bugs |
| 00:51.57 | acu | Lesterwood: It is better to try normal squeeze installation - it seem that you are still new to debian - and testing is broken a lot of times - and if you do not know how to read erratas etc- you might spend unnecessarily too much time and neurons |
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| 00:52.35 | Lesterwood | acu, link me to the guide please |
| 00:52.41 | Lesterwood | if there is one |
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| 00:53.10 | abrotman | i already did .. about 45 minutes ago |
| 00:53.26 | Lesterwood | i'm kinda occupied with like 3 things |
| 00:53.36 | Lesterwood | would it kill you to hit the up arrow 3-4 times |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | would it hurt you to look at your backscroll? |
| 00:53.56 | Lesterwood | which one is more efficient |
| 00:54.02 | Lesterwood | arguing |
| 00:54.10 | Lesterwood | letting me search though 30 lines |
| 00:54.15 | Lesterwood | or hitting up 5 times |
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| 00:54.47 | acu | http://www.debian.org/ on the right side up - there is a download debian -it is for 64 bit (AMD or Intel) or i386 older architectures - that is a NEtinstall iso file - which you need to burn - that is what will start the installation - you need to have access to internet (with UTP cable if you have a laptop as the wifi card might not get it from the first) |
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| 00:55.07 | abrotman | that isn't hte link |
| 00:55.21 | MrFrood | Lesterwood: it's easier to help those who help themselfs |
| 00:55.23 | acu | you gave him the link 45 minutes ago |
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| 00:55.31 | Lesterwood | great |
| 00:55.33 | Lesterwood | 120 lines then |
| 00:56.41 | simonlnu | !ig |
| 00:56.41 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 00:56.48 | simonlnu | 4 keypresses |
| 00:57.13 | Lesterwood | that is the install manual, is there anything that explains the system in general |
| 00:57.18 | Lesterwood | like how it is organized |
| 00:58.21 | simonlnu | why would that matter to whether or not it (the testing d-i) has bugs? |
| 00:58.55 | simonlnu | as for bugs: |
| 00:58.57 | simonlnu | !bts |
| 00:58.57 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 00:59.00 | thewanderer1s | anyone running 2.6.39 with intel graphics? |
| 00:59.08 | Lesterwood | i'm not asking for bugs |
| 00:59.26 | Lesterwood | (maybe not talking to me) |
| 00:59.28 | Lesterwood | : | |
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| 01:00.54 | simonlnu | Lesterwood: ok, so what's the issue then? |
| 01:01.08 | acu | Lesterwood: I think first you have to install debian - as you use it - more concrete questions come up - and you can use the bot and hubots in here for help - to learn more about linux - there are few linux bible series (very thick books) but some of chapters can be quite useful |
| 01:01.27 | MrFrood | Lesterwood: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ |
| 01:01.29 | Lesterwood | hmm |
| 01:01.30 | abrotman | Lesterwood: we're telling you to install stable, NOT testing |
| 01:01.35 | Lesterwood | i know |
| 01:01.38 | Lesterwood | i took that to heart |
| 01:01.58 | Lesterwood | but it dosen't change the fact that I would like a better idea of how deep the rabbit hole is |
| 01:02.14 | Lesterwood | (i aborted the install) |
| 01:02.15 | simonlnu | rabbit hole? which one? |
| 01:02.29 | Lesterwood | the metaphorical one |
| 01:02.29 | MrFrood | Lesterwood: read the docs |
| 01:02.53 | simonlnu | Lesterwood: yes i know, but what are you referring to ? |
| 01:03.14 | simonlnu | is lacking context |
| 01:03.20 | Lesterwood | the rabbit hole being a metaphor to the debian system in general |
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| 01:03.34 | acu | Lesterwood: is not that deep - do not be inhibited anyhow - ask your questions here - as long they are not about neurobiology of dating - we are OK (most of us anyhow lol :) |
| 01:03.51 | queso_ | After the kernel has loaded, what's the first init script that is run? I'm trying to understand the boot process. |
| 01:03.54 | simonlnu | ok. had a feeling that's what you meant. it takes you to china if you want it to :P. |
| 01:04.07 | simonlnu | queso_: init. no script. /sbin/init |
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| 01:05.33 | queso_ | simonlnu: okay, which reads /etc/inittab and goes from there? |
| 01:06.06 | simonlnu | yes. rcS gets run, etc. |
| 01:06.17 | queso_ | simonlnu: thanks |
| 01:08.04 | abrotman | does 'man init' cover this? |
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| 01:09.47 | Lesterwood | here is a question |
| 01:09.51 | Lesterwood | are partitions also files |
| 01:09.57 | Lesterwood | they certainly are not processes |
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| 01:11.00 | MrFrood | !tell Lesterwood about partition |
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| 01:12.40 | rypervenche | I removed all of my display managers, and am just using ttys to login, which I prefer. However, I am unable to shutdown or reboot via ctrl+alt+del. The buttons are grayed out. (I'm on Xfce4.8). Any ideas how I can fix that? I have tried adding it to the sudoers file, no luck. |
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| 01:15.51 | Lesterwood | MrFrood, maybe i am blind, i read the 2 pages, nothing |
| 01:16.50 | MrFrood | "You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces" |
| 01:17.19 | Lesterwood | i suppose that is a file |
| 01:17.27 | MrFrood | no |
| 01:17.29 | Lesterwood | brb googling what exatly constitutes a file |
| 01:18.09 | MrFrood | it is a continious section of the disk that can contain a file system |
| 01:18.53 | acu | Lesterwood: I think of a hard disk as a building /boot partition is like entrance (Grub is the nice lady who ask you where do you want to go), then big sections of the building are partititions - they need to have a name and a size and type etc - anyhow each partition will have block (cubicles) which have to have an ID |
| 01:19.47 | acu | The files are stuff which can spread through few cubicles |
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| 01:25.32 | queso_ | Processes with []'s around them are part of the kernel? |
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| 02:02.34 | Arrick | hey all, is there any email/collaboration server that would be similiar to googlapps, or exchange that is free that will run on debian? Im looking for something that will allow for shared contacts/calendars, about 100 users |
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| 02:06.39 | cheako | Hello, I'm writing a perl test and I'm wondering if there is a way to detect the Debian OS? Now I'm flooded with a lot of ideas, but none as sleek as $Config{osname}. |
| 02:07.02 | heinzes | I want to run "${cmd} >> & ${file}" in tcsh, but unfortunately I get "${file}: No such file or directory" (the contents of ${file} are written in the error). How can I get tcsh to understand that I want to redirect? (I can't change to a different shell, even though I would right away if I could.) |
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| 02:07.11 | cheako | I've noticed localpatches seams to have DEBPKG:debian a lot. |
| 02:07.52 | cheako | heinzes: ${cmd} >> ${file} & |
| 02:08.01 | MrFrood | Arrick: could something like elgg be adapted to serve your purpose? |
| 02:08.08 | cheako | You want to background the command, no? |
| 02:08.13 | MeglaW | debianlurk: u know how to fix my ps3? |
| 02:08.18 | Arrick | not sure MrFrood havent every heard of it. |
| 02:08.21 | Arrick | you have a link? |
| 02:08.56 | heinzes | cheako: I think the & is in the right place for redirecting stdout and stderr |
| 02:09.16 | MrFrood | Arrick: elgg.org |
| 02:09.32 | Arrick | Ill check it out, thanks |
| 02:10.14 | cheako | heinzes: No space after the >> |
| 02:11.59 | heinzes | cheako: space or not seems to make no difference. |
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| 02:14.12 | CodeNinja | anyone had success with compiz + squeeze + fglrx on an ati x1200? no opengl... had to remove Driver "fglrx" and change to Driver "radeon" to get general graphics back after dist-upgrade |
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| 02:17.04 | cheako | Again, if a double angle bracket is used (">>&") then the output is appended to the file. |
| 02:17.41 | cheako | ohh, looks like your variable is not set or being replaced. |
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| 02:18.04 | cheako | That's why it can't find a file named '${file}' |
| 02:18.13 | heinzes | cheako: I print both variable before I execute, the output looks file |
| 02:18.34 | cheako | ..ohh you doc-tered output. |
| 02:18.49 | heinzes | cheako: in the error it shows the actuale file name of the file I want to redirect to. |
| 02:18.56 | cheako | Then it's saying that the folder dosn't exist or something, like a dangling symlink. |
| 02:19.01 | heinzes | yeah, the name was too long ;) |
| 02:19.52 | heinzes | ls -l on the file shows it exists |
| 02:20.02 | cheako | ls -lL? |
| 02:20.31 | cheako | How long is the name? |
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| 02:20.44 | CableNinja | argh |
| 02:20.49 | cheako | more then 1024 bytes might be asking too much of things. |
| 02:20.53 | heinzes | the filename is make_log.txt, but is has a few folders before |
| 02:21.03 | heinzes | but less than 1024 bytes |
| 02:21.05 | psycho | good night! |
| 02:21.18 | cheako | Less then 256 bytes? |
| 02:21.18 | psycho | somebody can help me with rsync? please |
| 02:21.21 | heinzes | ls -lL seems to make no difference |
| 02:21.47 | queso_ | What does "rc" stand for in the init scripts? I presume "r" stands for "run," but the "c"? "Control" perhaps? |
| 02:22.06 | psycho | I'm using rsync -avz /dir user@ip:/dir and the permissions are not preserved |
| 02:22.24 | heinzes | ~60 bytes |
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| 02:23.01 | cheako | queso_: lots of applications use rc for other things. bashrc for example. |
| 02:23.18 | queso_ | cheako: aah. right. does it stand for "runlevel change"? |
| 02:23.40 | WormFood | rc=run command |
| 02:24.06 | cheako | Though I can't find a reference that suggests what it could stand for or if bashrc and rc.2 is the same acronym. |
| 02:24.06 | WormFood | as in .bashrc for example |
| 02:24.42 | queso_ | WormFood, cheako: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_commands Looks like that's it. |
| 02:25.24 | WormFood | has been a unix geek since the 1980s |
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| 02:25.44 | WormFood | I also don't like not knowing what things stand for...that is why I looked it up years ago ;) |
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| 02:25.52 | cheako | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 02:26.02 | Lesterwood | guys i am doing a debian installation |
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| 02:26.12 | Lesterwood | and under the "software selection" |
| 02:26.13 | cheako | WormFood: The new generation has no vector on this, I can't find a good answer. |
| 02:26.18 | Lesterwood | it is only allowing standard system utilities |
| 02:26.22 | Lesterwood | i want the desktop setup |
| 02:26.30 | Lesterwood | is it because i have no internet connection? |
| 02:26.42 | dym | Lesterwood: depending on what you downloaded |
| 02:26.49 | dym | Did you download the Netinstall? |
| 02:26.51 | cheako | Lesterwood: I was just going to ask how many DVDs you had? |
| 02:26.54 | Lesterwood | dym no sir |
| 02:26.59 | dym | Lesterwood: else? |
| 02:27.00 | Lesterwood | cheako, one |
| 02:27.16 | dym | huh?! |
| 02:27.23 | Lesterwood | dym, hold on |
| 02:27.23 | cheako | The first DVD just might not have what's needed. |
| 02:27.27 | WormFood | cheako, I think the "rc" as part of the init system stands for something different |
| 02:27.27 | Lesterwood | i will show you which one i downloade |
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| 02:27.28 | Lesterwood | d |
| 02:27.42 | wangb | hi ...i am comeing... |
| 02:27.48 | Lesterwood | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 02:27.54 | Lesterwood | here it is dym the first disk |
| 02:27.58 | WormFood | it could possibly be "runlevel change", but that is pure speculation on my part |
| 02:28.00 | dym | mhh |
| 02:28.02 | Lesterwood | debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 02:28.06 | cheako | heinzes: Sorry, I can't find anything to help you. |
| 02:28.10 | dym | Im not sure if the first CD holds all the GUI stuff |
| 02:28.18 | Lesterwood | isn't there a bot in here |
| 02:28.19 | dym | You might require an internet connection |
| 02:28.21 | Lesterwood | that can tell me |
| 02:28.32 | Lesterwood | like a package listing bot |
| 02:28.34 | dym | Lesterwood: there is. but also im not aware if he can. |
| 02:28.35 | abrotman | Lesterwood: USE STABLE |
| 02:28.37 | dym | of a cd? |
| 02:28.49 | Lesterwood | dym, why would he not be able to |
| 02:28.49 | wangb | Here just tech other to install the system ? |
| 02:28.49 | dym | abrotman: i did wonder (: |
| 02:28.52 | Arrowmaster | CD1 is enough to get a basic system but its best to use DVD1 or netinstall |
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| 02:29.01 | abrotman | Lesterwood: stop screwing around with testing .. the installer may be broken today |
| 02:29.06 | Lesterwood | Arrowmaster, which cd has the gui stuff |
| 02:29.09 | dym | Arrowmaster: does CD1 also hold a Window Manager? |
| 02:29.11 | cheako | Lesterwood: it's a matter of having a list of what's on each CD/DVD/Blu-Ray. |
| 02:29.16 | Lesterwood | abrotman, oh come on i am just messing around |
| 02:29.17 | Arrowmaster | yes it does but it is lacking some stuff |
| 02:29.28 | Arrowmaster | !cd contents |
| 02:29.28 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 02:29.36 | Lesterwood | ah |
| 02:29.40 | abrotman | Lesterwood: then read the damn installation manual .. try reading |
| 02:29.55 | Lesterwood | i doubt it has a package list |
| 02:29.57 | Lesterwood | :3 |
| 02:29.59 | dym | abrotman: deeeewd (: |
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| 02:30.37 | cheako | Lesterwood: A CD might not have enough software to run many of the toasters you can purchase today. |
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| 02:31.48 | cheako | Goes looking for a translation file for Pop-tarts. |
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| 02:32.07 | Lesterwood | WHOOPS i corrupted my grub by shutting down midinstallation |
| 02:32.08 | Lesterwood | :| |
| 02:32.19 | Lesterwood | looks like i have no choice but to deal with this tommorow |
| 02:33.14 | WormFood | Lesterwood, if your nic requires firmware, then I'd suggest you get the unofficial debian install CD, with the firmware packages on it (otherwise you'll have to put them on a usb drive, if you need them)...of course if your nic does not need additional firmware, then it is moot. |
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| 02:33.35 | Lesterwood | WormFood, isn't there some complete disk for debian |
| 02:33.40 | Lesterwood | like, a disk that has EVERYTHING |
| 02:33.50 | WormFood | maybe blueray |
| 02:33.52 | abrotman | yes, there is .. ask about it tomorrow |
| 02:34.00 | Lesterwood | : | |
| 02:34.46 | Hydroxide | Lesterwood, WormFood: Even for Blu-Ray we now need two discs. |
| 02:34.52 | WormFood | honestly, I consider a complete download of everything to be fairly pointless, unless you anticipated installing it on many different machines....and in that case, I'd suggest you install off a usb hard drive, as it will make updating the packages easier |
| 02:35.09 | Hydroxide | we are actually that comprehensive :-) |
| 02:35.27 | Lesterwood | ugh.. i'll just look at the contents of each disk |
| 02:35.31 | neuronic | smiles at abrotman |
| 02:35.48 | Lesterwood | jeez, its like debian trys to satisfy everyone, with so many disks |
| 02:35.57 | cloudfade | just grab the first dvd and download the rest |
| 02:36.00 | abrotman | Lesterwood: perhaps try another distro |
| 02:36.20 | Hydroxide | Lesterwood: if you don't have a good enough internet connection to download the dvds or to install packages as needed over the internet, there are many companies that will sell you a set of them for a reasonable price |
| 02:36.23 | Lesterwood | abrotman, why do you hate when people try to learn stuff |
| 02:36.27 | WormFood | except it feels like they try to piss off the people who need firmware for their NICs ;P |
| 02:36.28 | Hydroxide | Lesterwood: we do link to a list of those on our website |
| 02:36.35 | Lesterwood | Hydroxide, i know i know |
| 02:36.42 | Hydroxide | WormFood: hey, just read the install manual. the described solution is pretty easy and works great |
| 02:36.45 | abrotman | Lesterwood: because you're not trying to learn .. you're trying to have all of your questions answered on IRC |
| 02:36.59 | WormFood | agrees with abrotman for a change |
| 02:37.03 | Lesterwood | abrotman, the manual is pretty convoulted |
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| 02:37.15 | WormFood | Lesterwood, then invest some time to make sense of it |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | Lesterwood: so, you don't want to learn .. got it |
| 02:37.18 | Hydroxide | WormFood: (or use the unofficial install image with firmware integrated) |
| 02:37.22 | Lesterwood | : | |
| 02:37.35 | WormFood | Hydroxide, which is exactly what I suggested, in case you missed it :P |
| 02:37.46 | neuronic | Lesterwood: in other words don't be lazy |
| 02:37.52 | Hydroxide | Lesterwood: if you read any other distro's install manual, either it doesn't exist, it leaves important things out, or it's similar to debian's |
| 02:38.02 | abrotman | !firmware images |
| 02:38.02 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install debian>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 02:38.04 | Lesterwood | ugh, there has to be a better way |
| 02:38.11 | WormFood | Lesterwood, I learned Unix back before Internet connections were common....do you have any idea how much time I've invested into learning? |
| 02:38.22 | Lesterwood | WormFood, so you would do it again? |
| 02:38.25 | WormFood | Lesterwood, pay someone else to do it for you |
| 02:38.33 | Lesterwood | i'm just saying, it dosen't have to be so inefficient |
| 02:38.34 | cloudfade | I'm coming in late in this convo... what are you trying to achieve? |
| 02:38.36 | Lesterwood | and each person who complains |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | cloudfade: you don't want any part of this :) |
| 02:38.45 | WormFood | Lesterwood, of course....there is no way to know what I know without investing the time to learn it |
| 02:38.45 | Lesterwood | will just force the devs to make it simpler to understand |
| 02:38.53 | Lesterwood | : | |
| 02:38.59 | abrotman | Lesterwood: you can write a new manual for people that don't want to read |
| 02:39.04 | Lesterwood | WormFood, i meant would you use the internet if you had it back then |
| 02:39.16 | dondelelcaro | Lesterwood: if there are specific places where the manual is unclear, please file bugs with suggested changes |
| 02:39.18 | WormFood | Lesterwood, I have a better idea...how about you update it, and make it easier for people like you, and submit it for the whole world to use |
| 02:39.19 | Hydroxide | Lesterwood: nobody will force the devs to do anything, not even other devs. most debian developers work on debian in their spare time as volunteers, and even for the ones who are paid, only the people who pay them will decide what they work on |
| 02:39.20 | Lesterwood | abrotman, maybe after you explain it, after i read it and get confused |
| 02:39.26 | Lesterwood | WormFood, same |
| 02:39.31 | abrotman | Lesterwood: read it again, stop trolling |
| 02:39.37 | Lesterwood | i'm not trolling |
| 02:39.40 | Lesterwood | if i was trolling |
| 02:39.44 | Lesterwood | this channel would be in chaos |
| 02:39.47 | Lesterwood | just sayin' |
| 02:39.51 | WormFood | lol |
| 02:39.54 | Hydroxide | Lesterwood: if you were trolling you'd be kickbanned. |
| 02:40.01 | Lesterwood | Hydroxide, thus i am not |
| 02:40.08 | Hydroxide | Lesterwood: and you haven't been kickbanned :) |
| 02:40.09 | Lesterwood | because i am still sitting here |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | he's unwilling to do anything to change his situation |
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| 02:40.35 | WormFood | wonders how long it takes before Lesterwood is banned |
| 02:40.47 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: that's counter productive |
| 02:41.02 | Lesterwood | abrotman, i simply am busy right now |
| 02:41.08 | Lesterwood | and i want some questions answered sooner |
| 02:41.11 | abrotman | I've told Lesterwood to use the stable installer multiple times, he could have used CD1 to get a desktop at install time, he could have read the install guide |
| 02:41.13 | Lesterwood | than like, 4 hours later |
| 02:41.22 | Lesterwood | abrotman, i don't have a cd/dvd burner |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | so? |
| 02:41.29 | Lesterwood | i am just messing around with the disk |
| 02:41.35 | Lesterwood | deal with it, i like tinkering with it |
| 02:41.35 | dondelelcaro | Lesterwood: use a USB key then |
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| 02:41.39 | Lesterwood | no usbs |
| 02:41.40 | Lesterwood | sorry |
| 02:41.40 | Hydroxide | Lesterwood: everyone in #debian is also busy too. none of us are being paid. if you want assistance with debian that comes with guarantees or timeframes, then pay one of the many consultants we list on our website, or someone else. |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | so, no CD, no USB .. just a dot matrix printer and a punch card reader? |
| 02:41.57 | dondelelcaro | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:41.57 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 02:41.58 | Lesterwood | Hydroxide, i never asked you to reply, i mean you can either ignore me or help me |
| 02:42.00 | Hydroxide | Lesterwood: if you want to use the community support, you'll hvae to do your best to work with us and put in effort as well |
| 02:42.02 | Lesterwood | complaining isnt hepping |
| 02:42.04 | Lesterwood | *helping |
| 02:42.43 | Lesterwood | aaand he ignores me |
| 02:42.46 | Hydroxide | Lesterwood: I'm speaking on behalf of #debian here, not just myself. multiple channel operators have spoken in this conversation already, of which I'm only one. |
| 02:42.50 | WormFood | Lesterwood, how are we supposed to help someone who is unwilling to help themselves? |
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| 02:43.18 | Lesterwood | WormFood, i just want a answer in 10 minutes instead of 4 hours, i'm sorry if i don't have 4 hours currently and am in the middle of a installer |
| 02:43.47 | Lesterwood | besides, i assumed the question would take less than 10 minutes to answer |
| 02:43.48 | WormFood | Lesterwood, so instead of spending those 10 minutes on google, you decide to spend them on IRC |
| 02:43.54 | Lesterwood | i tried google |
| 02:44.01 | Lesterwood | have you ever seen how irrelevant they are sometimes? |
| 02:44.04 | dondelelcaro | Lesterwood: what is your actual question? |
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| 02:44.16 | Lesterwood | dondelelcaro, idk, you guys seem to like to drag away from it |
| 02:44.19 | Lesterwood | i forgot |
| 02:44.19 | WormFood | and when given the web pages here, you still choose to stay on IRC instead of reading the references given to you? |
| 02:44.23 | Lesterwood | oh wait |
| 02:44.30 | Lesterwood | it wasent a question, it was mainly abrotman complaining |
| 02:44.33 | Lesterwood | instead of ignoring me |
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| 02:44.47 | dondelelcaro | right, feel free to come back when you have an actual question |
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| 02:50.22 | footbal17 | Where can I get a script to download all of debian-multimedia.org |
| 02:51.17 | abrotman | man wget |
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| 02:52.14 | stew | http://debian-multimedia.org/robots.txt seems he doen't want you to use wget |
| 02:52.45 | stew | oh, hmm, or am I reading that wrong |
| 02:53.18 | stew | yes, i was, nm |
| 02:53.41 | ZitZ | the stuff on debian multimedia like lame isn't available on debian main because of patent issues, right? because it's all open source afaik |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | ZitZ: not all of it |
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| 02:54.44 | ZitZ | no not all of it, w32codecs certainly isn't, even though that mostly isn't needed anymore |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | flash is another example |
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| 02:55.50 | rypervenche | footbal17: Why not just add the repository to your sources.list? |
| 02:56.04 | ZitZ | yeah, you can use gnash for flash, but i'm trying to find an mp3 encoder that will keep me in 100% free territory |
| 02:56.27 | Arrowmaster | doesnt exist because mp3 is patented |
| 02:56.36 | rypervenche | ZitZ: If you want to be free, use ogg (vorbis) |
| 02:56.46 | rypervenche | ZitZ: The quality is the same if not better than lame. |
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| 02:57.07 | ZitZ | i agree, ogg is better, but i do want to be compatible with other people / device |
| 02:57.25 | ZitZ | and we can still play mp3, just can't encode |
| 02:57.30 | rypervenche | ZitZ: ogg is compatible with other people. however devices, that may depend. |
| 02:58.05 | MrFrood | ZitZ: Arrowmaster: depends where in the world you are - software patents are only recognised in a limited number of juristrictions |
| 02:58.08 | rypervenche | ZitZ: If you are worried about patents, then use ogg. |
| 02:58.18 | ZitZ | not if those other people insist on using stuff like itunes, which so many people do |
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| 03:00.00 | MrFrood | in many places software is considored to be mathematical formula anf thus unpantable |
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| 03:00.32 | ZitZ | it IS math, math you use to instruct a machine, nothing more |
| 03:01.40 | ZitZ | it's unfortunate, because last year I backed up all my CDs to mp3 because I was concerned about "compatibility", and now i'm wondering if that was the best decision |
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| 03:02.24 | rypervenche | flac is nice if you have the space. |
| 03:02.44 | MrFrood | ZitZ: flac or other similar lossless compression should be used for back up |
| 03:02.45 | ZitZ | and i spent loads of time tagging each file 100% accurately, years, albums |
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| 03:03.27 | ZitZ | yeah, i think it would be a good idea to backup my top 20 Cds that I love with flac or something |
| 03:03.54 | ZitZ | right now they are in 320kbs mp3 |
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| 03:05.36 | MrFrood | ZitZ: as to mp3 if you are somewhere where patents are enforced and you want to stay on the right side of the law check out the Fluendo MP3 decoder |
| 03:06.10 | stew | i doubt he wants to stay on the right side of the law. its prohibitively expensive |
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| 03:06.21 | MrFrood | ZitZ: for tagging try picard |
| 03:07.16 | MrFrood | stew: free is prohibitively expensive ? |
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| 03:07.46 | stew | MrFrood: he wants to encode mp3s which he's going to distribute to other users so they can use it in itunes? this is far from free |
| 03:08.18 | ZitZ | i tried picard, specifically for it's auto tagging, which ended up being a disaster, anyway it's qt i believe, easytag is my guy |
| 03:08.29 | stew | MrFrood: does fluendo pay the decoder license fee for you |
| 03:08.30 | stew | ? |
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| 03:09.07 | MrFrood | stew: it is fully licensed hence my previous comment |
| 03:09.18 | stew | wonder how they cover the costs |
| 03:09.55 | ZitZ | isn't the mp3 patent due to run out in 2017 or something? |
| 03:09.55 | MrFrood | loss leader to get you to buy there other licensed codecs |
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| 03:10.11 | stew | ah |
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| 03:10.50 | MrFrood | lame is better but has issues in certain juristrictions :-/ |
| 03:11.11 | Dewi | ubuntu can play mp3s too |
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| 03:11.33 | ZitZ | my debian box plays them out of the box |
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| 03:11.44 | Dewi | ZitZ: explain how |
| 03:12.02 | ZitZ | lol, it just does afaik, and i have nothing outside of main |
| 03:12.04 | Dewi | ZitZ: I'm pretty sure you need non-free or multimedia sources for that |
| 03:12.05 | MrFrood | Dewi: all linux can play mp3 the question is are they doing it legaly? |
| 03:12.09 | stew | Dewi: not for decoding |
| 03:12.32 | ZitZ | yeah, playing just means decoding, encoding is this issue |
| 03:12.37 | Dewi | what decoder is in main? |
| 03:12.51 | stew | you may owe royaltee fees either way, consult with a lawyer, yada yada |
| 03:12.56 | stew | but the software for decoding is in main |
| 03:13.01 | stew | judd: versions mpg123 |
| 03:13.01 | judd | Package mpg123 on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.3-4lenny1; squeeze: 1.12.1-3; sid: 1.12.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.12.1-3.1 |
| 03:13.21 | stew | judd: versions libmad0 |
| 03:13.21 | judd | Package libmad0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.15.1b-4; squeeze: 0.15.1b-5; sid: 0.15.1b-6; wheezy: 0.15.1b-6 |
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| 03:13.47 | mrdeb | does anyon know why the pcmanfm application menu is empty |
| 03:13.50 | Dewi | interesting |
| 03:14.03 | Dewi | it surprises me that ubuntu asks for consent |
| 03:14.07 | Dewi | but debian doesn't |
| 03:14.12 | ZitZ | it really is ashame and actually astonishing that ogg vorbis has such low proliferation on devices and in general |
| 03:14.15 | Dewi | with its normally more conservative policy |
| 03:14.19 | MrFrood | mplayer sounds better than mpg123 (assuming you have a couple of days spare to play with the options) |
| 03:14.28 | stew | ogg works on all my devices :) |
| 03:14.53 | Dewi | MrFrood: mpg123 is already 100% correct |
| 03:15.12 | Dewi | unless you mean fancy dithering tricks |
| 03:15.18 | MrFrood | flac is the way to go :) why do lossy when you can do lossless? |
| 03:15.24 | ZitZ | i'd be surprised if 25% of "music devices" support ogg |
| 03:15.37 | ZitZ | and with disk space so cheap, flac should really start to take over |
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| 03:15.47 | ZitZ | but the masses will never go for it i'm afraid |
| 03:15.50 | Dewi | ZitZ: yeah it annoys me I can't buy FLAC anywhere |
| 03:16.06 | rypervenche | Both flac and vorbis are the way to go. If your device doesn't support it, then you should be changing your device, not your codec. |
| 03:16.20 | MrFrood | Dewi: you need to look harder |
| 03:16.43 | Dewi | MrFrood: where can I buy lossless compressed audio, in general? |
| 03:16.46 | ZitZ | i think my old mp3 player supported flac but not vorbis |
| 03:16.53 | Dewi | MrFrood: I don't mean 1 artist like Rezor self-publishing it |
| 03:16.53 | stew | or change your devices OS. rockbox runs on a lot of devices that wouldn't otherwise support ogg |
| 03:16.56 | rypervenche | Dewi: online |
| 03:17.03 | Dewi | rypervenche: where? |
| 03:17.13 | rypervenche | Depends, you just need to look hard enough. |
| 03:17.18 | Dewi | you're an idiot |
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| 03:17.24 | Dewi | do you even know what jurisdiction I'm in? |
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| 03:17.37 | stew | Dewi: easy, no need for that |
| 03:17.38 | Dewi | do you get that 90% of online music stores don't sell outside the US and europe? |
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| 03:17.59 | stew | ZitZ: what is your old mp3 player make/model? |
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| 03:18.16 | rypervenche | Dewi: Well, you're looking for help. Calling people idiots is usually the least likely way to get your problems solved. |
| 03:18.19 | ZitZ | it was an old iaudio |
| 03:18.25 | Dewi | rypervenche: you already refused to be helpful |
| 03:18.25 | ZitZ | i5 model i think |
| 03:18.32 | crazy_pete | er whats with the 8 dvds in the bittorrent for debian? I am guessing i only need the first DVD or what am i missing? |
| 03:18.34 | crazy_pete | please |
| 03:18.49 | mrdeb | well? |
| 03:18.50 | Dewi | crazy_pete: you only *need* as little as 30-100MB |
| 03:18.53 | ScottG | I just got a new HDD for a computer and I want to clone the old HDD onto the new one (which is a different model, size, etc). Would dd'ing one device to the other be the way to go? If not, why and what else would you recommend? |
| 03:19.00 | rypervenche | crazy_pete: The 8 DVDs hold all of the packages for Debian Squeeze. |
| 03:19.01 | ZitZ | crazy_pete: you are right, the installer is on the first one, or you can do a net install |
| 03:19.09 | crazy_pete | thanks ZitZ |
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| 03:19.35 | stew | ZitZ: some iaudio players support ogg natively: http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers ; others are supported by rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 03:19.43 | MrFrood | Dewi: http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-download-quality-and-file-type.aspx#smflac |
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| 03:20.13 | MrFrood | plus ofcourse many independent artist |
| 03:20.13 | Dewi | MrFrood: that's a single small record label, not a music store |
| 03:20.16 | ZitZ | mrdeb: i noticed that with pcmanfm as well, i tried installing gnome-menus of something which was recommended but that didn't help, so i decided to ignore it |
| 03:20.37 | Dewi | MrFrood: a music store is a place that takes music from dozens, hundreds, or thousands of labels |
| 03:20.42 | rypervenche | Dewi: With enough persistance and motivation you can find anything. There are stores out there that allow you to download flac versions. I cannot help you with names as it really depends on what music you are looking for, as well as other things. You will have to look yourself. |
| 03:20.47 | ZitZ | are there any online music stores that distribute in flac or ogg? it's hard enough to find one that doesn't use drm |
| 03:21.19 | MrFrood | Dewi:point is it is available and linn records is more medium than small |
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| 03:21.43 | ZitZ | and for my own written music i definitely use flac / ogg |
| 03:22.04 | qwp | hey when i do export LC_ALL="en_US" in a bash script i get "warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US): No such file or directory" what could this mean? |
| 03:22.35 | Dewi | MrFrood: 300 titles is nothing |
| 03:22.35 | MrFrood | would rather buy a cd & rip - that way he has a physical back up |
| 03:23.01 | MrFrood | Dewi: feel the quality ;) |
| 03:23.24 | Dewi | you seem to be confusing music quality with good licensing |
| 03:23.59 | MrFrood | Dewi: no linn are very careful about who they publish |
| 03:24.04 | ZitZ | lossless means lossless |
| 03:24.05 | Dewi | I expect 10s if not 100s of thousands of titles |
| 03:24.30 | Dewi | you know, like a real music store, physical or online |
| 03:24.36 | MrFrood | ZitZ: yes but there is also the frequency range |
| 03:24.59 | MrFrood | Dewi: so buy cd's and rip |
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| 03:25.37 | ZitZ | so few artists make CDs that you can truly listen to from beginning to end, imo |
| 03:25.39 | Dewi | MrFrood: that's what I have to do. Sometimes even importing. |
| 03:26.21 | MrFrood | ZitZ: you are listening to the wrong artist if that is the case |
| 03:26.24 | Dewi | MrFrood: it's pretty ridiculous considering CDs haven't been taken seriously as a listening format for many years now |
| 03:26.28 | Dewi | but they still haven't been replaced |
| 03:26.35 | Dewi | not here in Australia |
| 03:26.44 | MrFrood | Dewi: i still buy vinyl |
| 03:26.45 | Dewi | can't buy ebooks here either |
| 03:26.57 | ZitZ | lol, that is true, or I just listen to the same thing over and over again, (which is mostly true) |
| 03:27.52 | Dewi | no pandora here. No spotify, google music, amazon music, nook. Kindle & Audible exist but with greatly reduced titles |
| 03:27.52 | MrFrood | guys i hate to say this but perhaps #debian-offtopic would be better for further discussion |
| 03:27.59 | Dewi | yeah true. sorry. |
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| 03:28.58 | rypervenche | Dewi: Sometimes doing what is wrong is doing what is right. Follow what Trent Reznor says. If they are charging you an arm and a leg, steal it. He gave you permission ~_^ |
| 03:29.01 | ZitZ | it's definitely an interesting / hot topic |
| 03:29.31 | rypervenche | MrFrood: Oh sorry, just saw your message. |
| 03:30.31 | MrFrood | one last thing - Dewi did you see the frequency range of the Linn studio masters? - MrFrood is now in offtopic |
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| 03:31.15 | magyar | hi is there a way to append to a tgz file? |
| 03:31.25 | MrFrood | rypervenche: I failed myself :-/ |
| 03:31.37 | magyar | i use tar zrvf tarball.tgz file1 file2 file3 |
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| 03:31.54 | magyar | i gett tar: Cannot update compressed archives |
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| 04:11.06 | Rusty1 | ScottG: http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=start |
| 04:11.06 | ZitZ | i'd do dd, unless google suggested something better |
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| 04:36.33 | jonez | greetings. I was wondering if anyone is using dbmail and might be able to help figuring out why I cannot use the /etc/init.d/dbmail script to start lmtp and imapd. all I get when I run it is "starting dbmail: ." (ya, a single dot) |
| 04:37.31 | HeXiLeD | does anyone know how to cut text from a file and pipe it to another ? basicly i need to cat file.txt | grep word >> list.tst <- but when piping it to list txt. it needs to be removed from file.txt |
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| 04:40.38 | epsilon | use grep foo > foo.txt and grep -v foo > rest.txt |
| 04:40.49 | ZykoticK9 | HeXiLeD, i believe sed would be what you're looking for. Sorry I'm certainly not a sed export in anyway. |
| 04:41.02 | ZykoticK9 | s/export/expert/ |
| 04:41.28 | HeXiLeD | thanks |
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| 04:46.50 | jonez | the #dbmail channel on freenode is empty. |
| 04:47.16 | jonez | I can manually start lmtpd and imapd, but I was hoping to get the service script working so when the machine is rebooted everything will just work. |
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| 04:53.54 | wols_ | jonez: sh -x <script> |
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| 05:07.52 | jonez | wols_, I didn't see anything unusual. |
| 05:08.01 | jonez | it shows each line of the script with a "+" before it. |
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| 05:10.29 | ciocc | Hi guys n gals, I have a htc android phone with an 8gig micro sd card in it. I tried mounting it but none of file systems I tried were correct (ext3,4, ntfs, vfat) so can anyone tell me what I could try? or is there a program that will detect what filesystem is on the card for me? |
| 05:10.50 | stew | ciocc: "file -s /dev/whatever" should tell you |
| 05:11.01 | stew | ciocc: but also, letting mount figure out the fs type should also work |
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| 05:11.41 | rhenani | hello |
| 05:11.44 | rhenani | guys = |
| 05:11.44 | rhenani | 0 |
| 05:11.46 | rhenani | \= |
| 05:11.48 | rhenani | = |
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| 05:11.51 | rhenani | =) |
| 05:11.52 | ciocc | stew thanks for that. I thought you always had to specify the filesystem type? |
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| 05:12.17 | ciocc | rhenani: you have a nymphomanic return key I see |
| 05:12.20 | rhenani | I have a problem, My Memory Card reader is not workingon my debian 64 bits debian squeeze system |
| 05:13.02 | rhenani | version 6.0.1, it's a laptop ThinkPad T61p IBM |
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| 05:13.20 | rhenani | when y connect the memory card of my camera nothing happens at all |
| 05:13.40 | rhenani | i don't know if is because i need to install the drivers?? |
| 05:14.20 | ciocc | stew would i just do mount /dev/sdb /media/usb then ?? Or do I need to add something more?/ |
| 05:14.37 | b44 | Does computer restart after "killall5" ??? |
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| 05:16.14 | stew | ciocc: that should be enough |
| 05:16.22 | ciocc | stew thanks mate |
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| 05:21.18 | wols_ | rhenani: no mmc driver loaded? dmesg |grep mmc |
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| 05:22.19 | rhenani | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/119075/ |
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| 05:23.49 | wols_ | rhenani: I have the exact same controller and it works out of the box. same output as yours basically |
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| 05:24.36 | rhenani | wols_: uhmm |
| 05:24.50 | wols_ | rhenani: could it be a bad SD card? I have an sd card which doesn't work in my desktop reader at all, but works fine on the laptop |
| 05:25.10 | stybba1982 | just a test |
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| 05:25.33 | MrFrood | !test |
| 05:25.33 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 05:25.36 | rhenani | wols_: it's a MSAC-M2 |
| 05:26.06 | rhenani | wols_: But i have another computer with windows xp Lenovo T410 and it works fine |
| 05:26.45 | wols_ | my sdcard works fine in my T400 but not on my desktop. just not recognized there (XP desktop) |
| 05:27.53 | rhenani | wols_: When inster it the light does not even turn on |
| 05:28.04 | rhenani | wols_: nothing happens at all |
| 05:28.06 | rhenani | hmm |
| 05:28.26 | p01 | window 3 |
| 05:28.28 | wols_ | which points to a drive/sd card compatibility problem again: drive doesn't recognize this card |
| 05:28.33 | rypervenche | Why might my Xfce session not let me shutdown or reboot? I am no longer using a display manager. I use "startx" from the tty. I have checked and the default /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc seems to have everything I could need. |
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| 05:31.04 | ZykoticK9 | rypervenche, if you aren't using *DM then I think that's "working as designed" |
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| 05:32.25 | wols_ | rhenani: one thing is different here compared to your dmesg: I have a "Registered led device mmc0::" after the rest |
| 05:33.46 | rypervenche | ZykoticK9: I see. So it is not meant to allow me to shutdown or reboot when I use it this way? |
| 05:33.53 | rhenani | wols_: uhmm |
| 05:34.45 | ZykoticK9 | rypervenche, not through GUI - "shutdown -h now" or "shutdown -r now" would work ;) |
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| 05:35.11 | rypervenche | ZykoticK9: Ok, thank you. |
| 05:35.20 | wols_ | rhenani: paste.debian.net/119076/ |
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| 05:39.01 | rhenani | hmm |
| 05:39.04 | rhenani | interesting |
| 05:39.11 | rhenani | yours is different than mine |
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| 05:39.41 | wols_ | how so? |
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| 05:41.03 | rhenani | I think i'll do it through the other computer |
| 05:41.04 | rhenani | :/! |
| 05:41.17 | rhenani | Then search in google |
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| 05:50.01 | MrFrood | *other search engines are available |
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| 05:57.11 | stybba1982 | ok |
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| 06:05.26 | ZykoticK9 | rypervenche, nice ML post ;) |
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| 06:46.32 | nocturnal | I'm about to LSBize a script here but I was wondering, this script is not to start any daemon or service, it's just to do some final tasks the debian installer can't do when preseeding and netbooting. so the only reason I'm updating it is because of new stricter sysv init rules in squeeze. but is there no way to just run a first boot script when netbooting debian? instead of making a fake service script? |
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| 06:47.33 | nocturnal | for example if a script chroots to /target, I should be able to run it from debian installer last_command right? |
| 06:47.50 | nocturnal | I mean late_command |
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| 06:56.19 | ompaul | nocturnal: try oftc #debian-mentors they might give you more time on it |
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| 07:06.45 | C2H5OH | anyone using Sid with a broken ldconfig on amd64? |
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| 07:07.07 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 07:07.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 07:07.22 | C2H5OH | ok then |
| 07:07.49 | C2H5OH | for the record: the last upgrade in Sid seems to break ldconfig on amd64 |
| 07:07.53 | C2H5OH | beware when upgrading |
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| 07:08.15 | wols_ | C2H5OH: you checked bts, right? |
| 07:08.20 | C2H5OH | yes |
| 07:08.22 | C2H5OH | and found nothing |
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| 07:09.32 | jelly-home | C2H5OH: also: #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 07:11.01 | aminpy | what's the upgrade command in debian? |
| 07:11.25 | wols_ | aminpy: upgrade from what to what? |
| 07:11.28 | jelly-home | aminpy: it depends; what are you trying to achieve |
| 07:11.44 | C2H5OH | jelly-home: you mean I can ask there? |
| 07:11.47 | jelly-home | C2H5OH: yes |
| 07:11.48 | aminpy | I already have python2.6 |
| 07:12.02 | aminpy | I want to upgrade it to python2.7 |
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| 07:12.17 | jelly-home | ,versions python2.7 |
| 07:12.17 | judd | Package python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.1-8; sid: 2.7.2~rc1-2 |
| 07:12.28 | smugglerinc | exim4 is the default MTA on squeeze? |
| 07:12.33 | streuner_ | yes |
| 07:12.34 | wols_ | smugglerinc: yes |
| 07:12.40 | jelly-home | aminpy: not possible within the confines of Debian stable and its packaging system |
| 07:12.51 | smugglerinc | Thanks |
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| 07:14.01 | aminpy | jelly, my sources.list content -> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main |
| 07:14.02 | jelly-home | aminpy: this means you either have to sidestep the packaging system and build it from source, install in a custom prefix, or have to use an unreleased version of Debian with all the consequences |
| 07:14.31 | jelly-home | aminpy: I'd suggest against doing that unless you exactly know what testing entails. |
| 07:15.05 | wols_ | aminpy: aminpy are you already running testing or simply trying to run it or just get python2.7 from it? |
| 07:15.43 | aminpy | wolf_, I change sources.list content with that (testing main) |
| 07:15.43 | aminpy | wolf_, and apt-get upgrade |
| 07:15.51 | aminpy | wolf_, and I ran apt ... |
| 07:15.55 | aminpy | * |
| 07:16.14 | aminpy | wolf_, now I want to upgrade python2.6 to python2.7 |
| 07:16.17 | wols_ | congrats. you now have a frankendebian. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 07:16.51 | wols_ | aminpy: you still cannot upgrade to 2.7. you can install it, sure, but that doesn't necessarily make you run all the stuff that depends on python to use 2.7 |
| 07:16.53 | wolf_ | aminpy: so next? |
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| 07:19.39 | jelly-home | ,depends python-minimal --release sid |
| 07:19.39 | judd | Package python-minimal -- depends: python2.6-minimal (>= 2.6.6-1~), dpkg (>= 1.13.20). |
| 07:20.09 | jelly-home | ,versions python-minimal |
| 07:20.10 | judd | Package python-minimal on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.6.6-14; wheezy: 2.6.6-14; experimental: 2.7.2-1 |
| 07:20.16 | jelly-home | ah. |
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| 07:20.55 | jelly-home | aminpy: with current testing, you can just install python2.7 and make your app use /usr/bin/python2.7 as the interpreter |
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| 07:21.29 | sabgenton | cp(1), scp(1) and tar(1) may have some limitation for special files. |
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| 07:21.33 | sabgenton | from http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch10.en.html |
| 07:21.53 | sabgenton | but then http://www.aboutdebian.com/tar-backup.htm tells you how to back up slash |
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| 07:21.58 | aminpy | thanks |
| 07:21.59 | sabgenton | what does tar lack? |
| 07:22.37 | sabgenton | (just looking at tar) |
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| 07:22.58 | jelly-home | the only thing I can think of is proper sparse file support |
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| 07:23.32 | sabgenton | jelly-home: the deb docs say "special files" |
| 07:25.45 | jelly-home | sabgenton: that would imply files types other than files, directories or symlinks; I haven't noticed tar having problems archiving block or character devices or named pipes. It does refuse to tar sockets but that's not important. |
| 07:26.25 | sabgenton | whats a socket? |
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| 07:26.30 | jelly-home | sabgenton: note "may have" != "do have" |
| 07:26.31 | sabgenton | on the filesystem |
| 07:27.01 | jelly-home | sabgenton: ls -la /var/run/ | grep ^s |
| 07:27.44 | jelly-home | sabgenton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_domain_socket |
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| 07:29.00 | nlko | hi, i have a debian server with no monitor, at the moment its just used for as a db and to shell into, what do i need to install to get a remote GUI? |
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| 07:30.09 | wols_ | nlko: depends how you want to run your remote gui. you can use remote X, can use VNC, even freenx |
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| 07:31.38 | nlko | yes remote X,is that xserver, port 6000? |
| 07:31.44 | nlko | thats what a tech guy at work has suggested |
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| 07:33.10 | wols_ | the X server runs on the computer which has your monitor. the X clients run on the server without monitor |
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| 07:34.25 | nlko | oh right |
| 07:35.00 | nlko | how about xdmcp? can i put that on the server and then get a gui |
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| 07:37.08 | jelly-home | nlko: yes. However xdmcp is not encrypted in any way so it should only be used in a secure network |
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| 08:05.16 | pkkm | Is it advised to upgrade Lenny to Squeeze on a production server? |
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| 08:08.08 | wols_ | pkkm: squeeze is the current debian stable, so yes an upgrade is advised |
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| 08:08.31 | ectospasm | pkkm: make sure you have adequate, tested backups before you proceed. |
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| 08:14.59 | pkkm | Is it possible to upgrade an OpenVZ VPS to squeeze by editing sources.list and "apt-get dist-upgrade" or do I need to ask my VPS provider? |
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| 08:18.55 | wols_ | pkkm: depends on your kernel which is used by the VPS. most of them seem to be too old for squeeze |
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| 08:19.23 | wols_ | if it's 2.6.26 or so it's ok. the usual 2.6.18 are not |
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| 08:19.40 | pkkm | 2.6.24-10-pve x86_64 |
| 08:19.44 | Patux599 | hello |
| 08:19.59 | Patux599 | I have one question with my squeeze |
| 08:20.03 | blackshirt | hello |
| 08:20.09 | pkkm | wols_, Are You sure this kernel is OK? |
| 08:20.40 | Patux599 | I can't send form in iceweasel 3.5.16 |
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| 08:21.51 | wols_ | pkkm: I'm not sure, sorry |
| 08:22.08 | wols_ | Patux599: tried with a new profile? |
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| 08:22.46 | pkkm | wols_, Anyway, thanks for information. I'll make a backup and upgrade. |
| 08:23.43 | wols_ | pkkm: usually apt-get tells you when it needs a newer kernel. apt-get install udev first, if that breaks you haven't started the full upgrade yet |
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| 08:27.35 | pkkm | OK. |
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| 08:36.18 | osmosis_paul | good morning. somebody here use arno firewall? i need restrict the ip access to my server but the firewall it is already installed |
| 08:36.26 | osmosis_paul | somebody know how to conf |
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| 08:36.39 | osmosis_paul | i dont find how to do the conf after the instalation |
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| 08:37.11 | petemc | osmosis_paul: /usr/share/doc/arno... |
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| 08:40.34 | nocturnal | is there a shell running on another terminal during debian installer? and how do I switch to it? ALt+F4? |
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| 08:44.22 | linux-fox | laugh |
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| 08:46.27 | wols_ | nocturnal: ctrl+alt+f2 |
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| 08:54.15 | nocturnal | wols_: it was alt+f4 to me, well at least a tail of the syslog |
| 08:54.49 | ectospasm | nocturnal: alt+F4 will get you the running installer log |
| 08:55.02 | ectospasm | alt+Fn will get you a virtual terminal |
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| 08:57.18 | nocturnal | yeah I found it, alt+f2 like wols_ said |
| 08:57.20 | nocturnal | except without the ctrl |
| 08:58.25 | nocturnal | I just don't understand this, I think I need to ask on the lists because I've been on irc several times with this same issue and no one has even responded to me. |
| 08:58.50 | wols_ | nocturnal: the reason for ctrl is X. from X, alt+Fx doesn't get you a terminal. cltr+alt+Fx works everywhere |
| 08:58.58 | jason404 | I cannot install a package on debain, which I could on ubuntu server |
| 08:59.00 | wols_ | !tell nocturnal about ask |
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| 08:59.08 | jason404 | I have added the backports address to sources.list |
| 08:59.15 | jason404 | but it does not seem to be finding the .deb file |
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| 08:59.26 | wols_ | jason404: and your aptitude line is? |
| 08:59.42 | nocturnal | wols_: I didn't ask because I've already been over it several times now and no one seems to know anything about preseeding debian and running scripts at automatic netboot deployment. so I'm taking it to the lists now. |
| 08:59.58 | jason404 | wols_: sudo dpkg -i znc_0.092-3~bpo50+1_amd64.deb |
| 09:00.23 | wols_ | jason404: you cannot download stuff with dpkg. you need apt for that |
| 09:00.59 | jason404 | Oh right. could you in ubuntu, as I am following the notes I made while using that |
| 09:01.03 | jason404 | ?? |
| 09:01.15 | wols_ | no you can't in ubuntu either |
| 09:01.18 | jason404 | or did I forget to make a note of ding that? |
| 09:01.23 | jason404 | oh okay |
| 09:01.24 | jason404 | thanks |
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| 09:01.42 | nocturnal | just in case you've had this situation happen to you wols_. I'm trying to run a first boot script using late_command in a preseed file for squeeze. reason being I want to add some vlans and do things I can't do in the debian installer. on lenny and before we did this with a fake rc2.d script, but on squeeze we need to adhere to LSB so I decided to try and run the script during the debian installer session and chroot to /target |
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| 09:02.16 | wols_ | nocturnal: I think there is a channel for the installer on oftc. I'd say that's the place to ask |
| 09:02.29 | nocturnal | oh oftc, I finally just understood what that means |
| 09:02.33 | nocturnal | the irc network |
| 09:02.37 | nocturnal | thanks |
| 09:02.49 | jason404 | wols_: in my notes I follwed dpkg with `sudo apt-get -f install`, which seemed to find the dependancies that made the previous kine appear to fail. how does it work with the previous commend like that? |
| 09:03.51 | wols_ | that still works. provided you have downloaded the znc deb you are trying to install already |
| 09:04.18 | jason404 | ic |
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| 09:26.29 | republican_devil | duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudes |
| 09:26.33 | republican_devil | so whats up |
| 09:26.52 | thewanderer1s | ok, so I've compiled 2.6.39 with brcmsmac enabled, but I don't see any log messages indicating that it's actually running - it never creates any network interface. I've got firmware-brcm80211. any hints? |
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| 09:28.41 | FusionX | Guys, Which one of the two should I choose, CD/DVD (Debian)? I don't want to install much from the internet (60 KBps bandwidth) while installing. If CD serves as a basic installation without much bloatedness, that would be fine. |
| 09:30.09 | thewanderer1s | FusionX: CD is enough for a console install, but if you want full GNOME, I'd recommend getting the DVD instead |
| 09:31.06 | FusionX | thewanderer1: Console install like typing commands or GUI in cmd? Also, Will I get GNOME after installation with the CD ISO? |
| 09:31.21 | petemc | gnome should be on the first cd |
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| 09:32.33 | FusionX | Will there be atleast some kind of GUI in the console installation from the CD ISO? |
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| 09:33.39 | wols_ | as petemc said: there is gnome on the first cd. just not all of gnome. there also is a CD1 for kde and a CD1 for xfce |
| 09:33.43 | larsduesing | Hi :-) |
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| 09:35.46 | FusionX | Well, then CD will be fine for me. Is there any link that contains information about each CD/DVD ISO? |
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| 09:39.12 | FusionX | Sorry for being this much of a noob, but I should download CD1 for gnome, right? |
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| 09:41.04 | Dewi | FusionX: should have most/all of what you need. |
| 09:41.27 | Dewi | FusionX: if the target machine has an internet connection you'll be fine either way. A lot of us just bootstrap from the netinst these days |
| 09:42.20 | FusionX | Well, I'm fine then. I don't want a netinst because my internet connection is really slow (512 Kbps, 70Kps) |
| 09:42.34 | FusionX | *70KBps |
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| 09:45.18 | thewanderer1s | FusionX: there is a .list in the download dir, should include a list of debs on a CD |
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| 09:45.51 | thewanderer1s | or maybe it was in a separate directory... anyway, it's on CD mirrors |
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| 09:50.04 | FusionX | thanks for the help, bye |
| 09:50.06 | FusionX | :) |
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| 10:01.04 | kavakava | I have one Windows machine and one Debian machine on the same network. The Windows machine can ping address.domain.local while the Debian can not. Any idea where I should start to debug? (/etc/resolf.conf has "domain address.local" listed) |
| 10:02.31 | wols_ | kavakava: there is at least one typo in there. it's resolv.conf and there is no listing of domains in that file. but it looks like you have a DNS problem, yes |
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| 10:06.41 | kavakava | wols_: Yeah, typo. I mean resolv.conf. But are you sure there are no listing of domain in that file? I got over 10 servers running, and all got "domain foo" and "search foo" listed in resolv.conf. |
| 10:07.46 | republican_devil | burp |
| 10:08.00 | republican_devil | seearch will make it so you dotn have to add the domain part |
| 10:08.03 | republican_devil | :) |
| 10:08.10 | republican_devil | make sure /etc/hosts is accurate |
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| 10:12.30 | kavakava | republican_devil: Only 127.0.0.1 localhost, 127.0.1.1 machine.domain.local machine and IPv6 default listing are listed. resolv.conf are also autogenerated. |
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| 10:13.41 | wols_ | kavakava: yes I am sure. read the manpage of resolv.conf and hosts. you need to put your local machines you want to resolved in /etc/hosts |
| 10:14.07 | wols_ | kavakava: however, are you using a dhcp server? |
| 10:14.29 | Over | Hello. Please help. The LED ob LCD on Sony TZ laptop is going to sleep and then never restore from this state. Only in debian. Then i need to restore BIOS settings to default to back LED on.... |
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| 10:15.00 | nvictor | hola all |
| 10:15.14 | PsychoGeek | I want to crack a root password through ssh, wat can i use? |
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| 10:15.20 | nvictor | is there a tool that can kill a process that is taking too much memory? |
| 10:15.27 | rhineshell | hello out there, I have a grub on /dev/sda and the config of grub on /dev/sda1 but I have another installation on /dev/sda7 with a xen-system but os-prober regocgnize only the linux kernel not xen |
| 10:15.35 | nlko | which is the correct package to install a basic X setup? i dont want gdm or anything for now |
| 10:15.36 | wols_ | PsychoGeek: wrong IRC network. |
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| 10:15.46 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 10:15.50 | wols_ | nlko: xorg |
| 10:15.55 | rhineshell | so how can I push os-prober to write xen entry to my config? |
| 10:16.00 | nlko | wols_: thanks |
| 10:16.01 | spiekey | how can i ignore the default gateway if i obtain a IP via DHCP? |
| 10:16.11 | kavakava | wols_: Yes, I'm using a DHCP server. (But I do not have access to it.) |
| 10:16.37 | nlko | wols_: so to get a GUI i still need a window manager on the top of xorg correct? |
| 10:16.38 | wols_ | spiekey:there is a dhclient.conf option for that |
| 10:16.46 | republican_devil | stop using xen |
| 10:16.50 | nlko | wols_: like fluxbox or gdm |
| 10:16.50 | wols_ | kavakava: can you ping the hostname of your windows box? |
| 10:16.56 | republican_devil | virtualization an SAN are scams |
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| 10:17.01 | republican_devil | scamz |
| 10:17.03 | republican_devil | :) |
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| 10:17.12 | nlko | spiekey: also use the "route" command to add a default gw |
| 10:17.53 | wols_ | nlko: no you don't. xorg ships with (basic) twm. you probably don't want to use it, it's very very primitive. gdm is no windowmanager, you can install it but first you need a WM like fluxbox, yes |
| 10:18.05 | republican_devil | iceWM |
| 10:18.06 | republican_devil | :) |
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| 10:18.46 | nlko | wols_: ok, so my goal is to be able to use xdmcp to remote into this server. so once i have xorg and fluxbox, should that be minimal required for xdmcp? |
| 10:19.12 | wols_ | nlko: where does your x server run? |
| 10:19.24 | wols_ | nlko: I told you before that it doesn't run on your headless debian server |
| 10:19.26 | nlko | wols_: is the x server the one that i am installing xorg on? |
| 10:19.36 | spiekey | wols_, my config line looks like this but i still get a default gw: request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, |
| 10:19.36 | spiekey | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.36 | spiekey | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.38 | kavakava | wols_: No, but ping may be disabled. I get the correct IP using dig though. |
| 10:19.46 | wols_ | nlko: you need the X server on the machine that has the monitor |
| 10:19.49 | nlko | wols_: it has a head now. its a vm but has a monitor yes |
| 10:20.20 | nlko | wols_: is x server and the machine i install xorg on the same thing? |
| 10:20.24 | wols_ | kavakava: then use a dhcp setting to set the DNS name. no need for hosts |
| 10:20.55 | wols_ | nlko: you have a debian VM, right? and the host for that VM is what? |
| 10:21.31 | nlko | debian vm yes. its running on a windows server with vm player |
| 10:21.40 | wols_ | nlko: then you need an X server for windows |
| 10:21.57 | wols_ | nlko: the X server is there where the display, mouse and keyboard are connected |
| 10:22.09 | republican_devil | my goal is world domination |
| 10:22.09 | nlko | wols_: like hummingbird yes? |
| 10:22.34 | babilen | republican_devil: Please try to stay on topic, thank you :) |
| 10:22.56 | wols_ | nlko: yes, if you want spend a lot of money |
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| 10:23.03 | nlko | wols_: ok im with you. so my debian server only needs xorg, and fluxbox to work with xdmcp? |
| 10:23.21 | wols_ | nlko: no it does not. if you want to use remote X your debian does not need xorg |
| 10:23.24 | thewanderer1s | niko: you also need a display manager - xdm, kdm or gdm |
| 10:23.35 | wols_ | nlko: you still haven't understood where the X server needs to be |
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| 10:24.00 | thewanderer1s | wols_: but he specifically wants an X display manager listening to XDMCP... |
| 10:24.13 | nlko | thewanderer1s: yes |
| 10:24.24 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.27 | nlko | my debian server i want to have udp port 177 xdmcp listening so i can connect to it. |
| 10:24.55 | nlko | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.55 | nlko | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.11 | republican_devil | ssh -XY your debian box |
| 10:25.13 | republican_devil | startx |
| 10:25.18 | republican_devil | from a cygwin with xorg |
| 10:25.20 | republican_devil | :) |
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| 10:25.22 | republican_devil | blam!! |
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| 10:25.36 | wols_ | republican_devil: please do not get drunk and then get on IRC |
| 10:25.41 | nlko | i want xdmcp specificaly |
| 10:26.16 | thewanderer1s | niko: is SSH X forwarding out of the question here? cause XDMCP is unencrypted... |
| 10:26.32 | wols_ | nlko: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 10:26.47 | wols_ | thewanderer1s: he uses a VM for his debian. host supposedly is the X server. no problems there |
| 10:26.52 | republican_devil | whos drunk? |
| 10:27.14 | wols_ | republican_devil: I was charitiable there. if you aren't intoxicated your behaviour is much worse |
| 10:27.31 | republican_devil | wols_: woa man, uh whos asking you |
| 10:27.43 | republican_devil | the commands work as listed |
| 10:27.44 | nlko | i dont think im phrasing my question correct. Im trying to understand the minimum required, be it a window manager, xorg, whatever, to get my debian server offering the xdmcp service |
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| 10:28.02 | wols_ | nlko: have you read the howto? |
| 10:28.08 | nlko | wols_: yes |
| 10:28.29 | nlko | wols_: so i need a window manager, a few lines up you said i dont need xorg for remote X |
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| 10:28.50 | thewanderer1s | nlko: he meant that remote X does not have to be XDMCP |
| 10:29.10 | wols_ | nlko: xorg is not a window manager, is it? |
| 10:29.34 | wols_ | and all you need for remote X with your debian is any x client like xterm. nothing more |
| 10:29.44 | wols_ | the x server is on your HOST. the WINDOWS |
| 10:29.49 | nlko | ha o |
| 10:29.50 | nlko | ok |
| 10:30.13 | nlko | so i can remove xorg then# |
| 10:30.17 | thewanderer1s | nlko: there are basically 3 ways to access a remote desktop on Debian: XDMCP, SSH X forwarding, and VNC - XDMCP needs a display manager, the latter two do not (VNC needs a VNC server though) |
| 10:30.38 | wols_ | nlko: I told you this several time. each time you say "ok" "i understand" or something equally thing which actually means "duh. can you now please turn on american idol? me fud. me sleep" and then you start over again |
| 10:30.39 | nlko | thewanderer1s: thanks. so a display manager like fluxbox? |
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| 10:30.54 | wols_ | fluxbox is no display manager |
| 10:30.59 | nlko | wols_: no i dont. your not listening to me |
| 10:31.11 | thewanderer1s | nlko: no, fluxbox is window manager (you can use it with SSH for example) - GDM/KDM/XDM are display managers usable with XDMCP |
| 10:31.13 | nlko | ok its a window manager |
| 10:31.23 | nlko | ok, but does gdm require xorg? |
| 10:31.26 | wols_ | nlko: the one who isn't listening isn't me... |
| 10:31.36 | nlko | :) i thik were almost there :) |
| 10:31.46 | wols_ | nlko: apt-cache show gdm will tell you if you need it. just check it out |
| 10:31.49 | thewanderer1s | nlko: in order to accept XDMCP connections, GDM runs an X server which accepts connections via UDP |
| 10:32.03 | thewanderer1s | so in case of XDMCP, GDM needs X, yes |
| 10:32.18 | nlko | thank you. |
| 10:32.23 | wols_ | thewanderer1s: but where would gdm run? |
| 10:32.36 | thewanderer1s | wols_: on the server that nlko wants to connect to |
| 10:32.54 | wols_ | thewanderer1s: exactly. we are in #debian which deals with debian. and his debian is the client ONLY |
| 10:32.55 | nlko | yes, this is what i thought. then i can use xnest or a windows alternative to connect correct? |
| 10:33.23 | nlko | no debian is my server |
| 10:33.38 | Ticho | this conversation is funny |
| 10:33.49 | wols_ | nlko: "server" with X windows does mean something different. for X windowss, debian is your client and windows is your server |
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| 10:34.24 | thewanderer1s | nlko: running an XDMCP client on Windows might be tricky, I've never done that - using Cygwin was suggested and might work. in case of a Windows client, though, using VNC will be easier (and probably slower, sadly) |
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| 10:34.42 | nlko | thewanderer1s: the client doesnt have to be windows, i have *nix machines here too. i just used that as an example |
| 10:35.27 | wols_ | nlko: for XDMCP the x server and gdm run on the same machine. and that is not your headless debian VM |
| 10:35.40 | thewanderer1s | nlko: so on the client you run an X server (strange, heh) and tell it to connect to the XDMCP host like this: Xephyr -query 10.0.0.1 (Xephyr is like Xnest, but newer) |
| 10:35.41 | wols_ | so you neither install xorg or gdm in your debian |
| 10:36.12 | thewanderer1s | nlko: X -query will work as well |
| 10:36.13 | nlko | thewanderer1s: thanks, sounds right |
| 10:36.36 | thewanderer1s | nlko: actually, it's a lot easier if you run a display manager on the client as well - KDM and GDM support connecting via a nice GUI menu |
| 10:36.37 | nlko | thewanderer1s: and on the client, the xserver is within which debian package? |
| 10:37.11 | thewanderer1s | nlko: xserver-xorg, plus any xserver-xorg-* packages you need for input/output |
| 10:37.17 | nlko | thank you. |
| 10:37.24 | nlko | problem solved i believe, and you wols_ ;) |
| 10:38.04 | wols_ | I told you ages ago that xserver is in the package xorg. you still aren't one step further to your goal. but have fun and good luck |
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| 10:38.17 | nlko | yes i am, im almost there i can smell it |
| 10:40.14 | thewanderer1s | nlko: oh, if you intend to run the XDMCP server on a VM, keep it with some graphics card... GDM hates it when it can't find a local display and I still haven't found a way to make it start without one |
| 10:41.09 | wols_ | thewanderer1s: shouldn't gdm only check for an X server? why would it check for hardware? |
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| 10:41.54 | thewanderer1s | wols_: maybe it's the X server itself, but in absence of hardware, this duo just fails... was never bothered to investigate this exactly |
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| 10:42.38 | wols_ | thewanderer1s: Xvfb doesn't need hardware :) |
| 10:43.18 | Corin | Hi, I have a question about my repository: http://pastebin.com/S4f5uVZ0 <-- The question's at the bottom. |
| 10:45.14 | JordiGH | Corin: 5 is redundant, the other two aren't. |
| 10:45.40 | Corin | 5 is? You sure you don't mean 4? |
| 10:45.43 | Iridos | and you don't "need" deb-src if you're never fetching source packages |
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| 10:45.54 | Iridos | Corin, he is referring to the line-numbres of the pastebin |
| 10:45.56 | babilen | Corin: Line 5 is not needed, the other two .. well there is not really security support for wheezy right now, but having them won't hurt. Please note that wheezy (and sid) are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 10:45.58 | Corin | Oh. |
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| 10:46.21 | Corin | Ah, thanks. |
| 10:47.10 | Corin | There's a second part to my question: Would changing the security sources to Squeeze be smart for now? |
| 10:47.24 | babilen | No |
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| 10:49.09 | babilen | Corin: Those would include scurity updates and fixes for grave bugs for packages that are in stable/squeeze *not* wheezy. You'll have to wait until new/fixed versions trickle down from sid or pull them yourself from there. (by, for example, setting the default release to wheezy and including sid in your sources) |
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| 10:49.24 | avheoz | is there any specific trick to installing debian behind a firewall that blocks FTP? I know there are http mirrors, but i cannot seem to tell the installer to use them |
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| 10:49.36 | babilen | Corin: Please also read the sid faq linked in the /topic of #debian-next (oftc) |
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| 10:50.02 | avheoz | (more specifically squeeze/kfreebsd, but I doubt that matters much) |
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| 10:50.32 | cmr | hello |
| 10:51.46 | cmr | what minimum kernel version is currently required by testing/unstable? I get "Setting up libgcc1 (1:4.6.0-11) ... FATAL: kernel too old" when trying to upgrade my installation in a chroot. |
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| 10:52.33 | wols_ | squeeze kernel is fine |
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| 10:53.47 | Iridos | avheoz, I remember being able to type in my own mirror or select one from a big range in the installer... but admittedly that is again so long ago that I cannot remember... try "expert mode" from the 1st menu if there are not enough options, perhaps |
| 10:53.54 | wols_ | I don't see a depend for libgcc1 for the kernel either. it depends on libc6 and gcc-4.6-base. not a kernel. udev however depends on a kernel |
| 10:54.13 | cmr | wols_, so 2.6.26 or so? |
| 10:54.23 | Corin | Iridos: I did it just two days ago and I can't recall exactly where he should go. |
| 10:54.43 | wols_ | cmr: 2.6.26 is lenny, oldstable |
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| 10:55.19 | wols_ | cmr: udev from sid depends on kernel >= 2.6.28 |
| 10:55.40 | avheoz | Iridos: yeah you can type it in, but it automatically prepends ftp:// before it.. let me try in expert mode |
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| 10:56.06 | cmr | wols_, ah right. thank you! |
| 10:56.09 | wols_ | avheoz: just don't use apt when in the installer. you can later on edit your sources.list as you wish and run tasksel then. no difference to the installer. if you want to run tasksel at all |
| 10:56.17 | avheoz | cmr: does ldd -v on libgcc show any version requirements? |
| 10:56.19 | Corin | cmr: You could always modify it after the fact. |
| 10:56.24 | Corin | Oh. |
| 10:56.28 | avheoz | wols_: it fails downloading installer components |
| 10:56.29 | Corin | Someone beat me. |
| 10:56.46 | wols_ | avheoz: then use thenetinst or CD1 then. businesscard needs the internet yes |
| 10:57.03 | Iridos | avheoz, huh... well, I never had that specific problem... but yeah... if it's a big problem just install the base system from CD, then install the rest from that (as wols_ said) |
| 10:57.09 | avheoz | wols_: hmz. i do have internet, i just want it to use HTTP, not FTP :/ |
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| 10:57.28 | avheoz | i'll run a full base cd1 install if this fails.. it just complicates things a bit |
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| 10:57.41 | wols_ | avheoz: which installer did you get? |
| 10:57.45 | Iridos | avheoz, all cd images are able to install a minimal base system... then I would think your problem is something else |
| 10:57.50 | cmr | avheoz, on /lib/libgcc_s.so.1? yes, but nothing relevant. |
| 10:57.53 | wols_ | Iridos: businesscard is not |
| 10:58.18 | cmr | !beat Corin |
| 10:58.19 | dpkg | beats Corin with a large stick. |
| 10:58.22 | avheoz | Iridos: expert mode fixes it, it has an extra dialog to choose between http and ftp before setting the mirror, great |
| 10:58.24 | cmr | ;) |
| 10:58.32 | Corin | !beat Corin |
| 10:58.32 | dpkg | beats Corin with a large stick. |
| 10:58.36 | Corin | I'm a masochist. |
| 10:58.40 | Iridos | wols_, oh, all right, THAT I never tried... but one doesn't usually download that, I thought |
| 10:58.45 | avheoz | wols_: i'm using mini, thanks for helping |
| 10:59.04 | wols_ | avheoz: "mini"? where can one download that? never seen it |
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| 10:59.48 | cmr | Corin, great! |
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| 10:59.50 | wols_ | avheoz: debian has 4 different installers I know: businesscard, netinst, CD1 and DVD1. if you are picky, boot-floppies too |
| 11:00.07 | Iridos | usb images as well... |
| 11:00.11 | Iridos | I thought |
| 11:00.16 | Iridos | kmuto had |
| 11:00.27 | wols_ | Iridos: no. they're all the same. squeeze now has hybrid ISOs |
| 11:00.50 | Iridos | fairysnuff |
| 11:00.51 | wols_ | Iridos: and kmuto never was official in any ways |
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| 11:01.16 | ninnghazad | anybody know of a job-queue system with webgui, which lets me pick a job from a list of predefined jobs, set some parameters and add it to a processing queue? jobs being shell skripts for example. |
| 11:01.16 | avheoz | wols_: sorry i just grabbed http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-kfreebsd-amd64/current/images/mini.iso |
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| 11:01.36 | avheoz | wols_: but i'll try with a 'real' installer now. apparently just been looking in the wrong place |
| 11:01.42 | Corin | avheoz: That link is dead. |
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| 11:02.56 | Iridos | Corin, in http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-kfreebsd-amd64/20110106+squeeze1/images/netboot/ instead |
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| 11:03.00 | avheoz | Corin: yeah, it is a bit iffy. i'll just fetch cd1 and have a try |
| 11:03.11 | wols_ | avheoz: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/kfreebsd-amd64/iso-cd/ for amd64 of kfreebsd that is |
| 11:03.40 | Iridos | avheoz, what's the reason you chose a kfreebsd kernel? |
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| 11:03.53 | avheoz | Iridos: because of native zfs and a few other things |
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| 11:04.10 | avheoz | wols_: thanks, I fetched cd1 from there and I'm running the install from that atm |
| 11:04.17 | wols_ | interesting. first real reason I heard for debian/kfreebsd :) |
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| 11:04.53 | avheoz | and it beats the hell out of running opensolaris |
| 11:05.03 | thewanderer1s | how does one compile a kernel module for a backports kernel when there is no kbuild available? |
| 11:05.12 | Iridos | hehe |
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| 11:06.15 | Iridos | avheoz, what are the other reasons? |
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| 11:06.29 | wols_ | can someone tell me for what kbuildis needed in the first place? kernel-package doesn't generate it usually, does it? |
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| 11:07.16 | avheoz | Iridos: I wanted to see if we can properly compartimentize (is that a word) processes, but that is a bit of a vague requirement |
| 11:07.25 | wols_ | thiagoss: use equivs and pretend it exists? |
| 11:07.43 | wols_ | thewanderer1s: ^^ |
| 11:07.51 | avheoz | Iridos: jails seem to be a pretty good option for that, but I must admit I haven't really dug into that yet |
| 11:08.02 | Iridos | avheoz, I see |
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| 11:08.36 | avheoz | (base install is running happily by the way, thanks) |
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| 11:10.14 | aminpy | http://dpaste.com/551466/plain/ |
| 11:10.29 | aminpy | if I accept it I won't any problem later? |
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| 11:12.12 | Iridos | aminpy, only if it's a hacked (malicious) package and not the real one from debian |
| 11:12.42 | aminpy | Iridos, so it doesn't import? |
| 11:12.55 | aminpy | it is'nt * |
| 11:13.16 | Iridos | aminpy, this is the 2nd (or later) time you run that command, one cannot see from what repository it's downloaded... the proper fix is to install the adequate keyring |
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| 11:15.23 | Iridos | that would be debian-keyring for squeeze (and wheezy, I think) and debian-archive-keyring for oldstable and before |
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| 11:24.59 | giany | anyone can tell me where can i find libcurl.so.3 for debian 4 32bit? |
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| 11:26.08 | wols_ | giany: archive.debian.org might have it |
| 11:26.42 | babilen | !snapshots |
| 11:26.42 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 11:27.29 | wols_ | babilen: thanks! that's what I looked for the other day. I remembered it exists but not where |
| 11:27.30 | dym | Hey all - Can anyone explain how pacemaker works and where it is installed when running a HA cluster? |
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| 11:31.31 | jokoon | hello [13:28] <jokoon> is there some interface to change the position of the close minimize buttons etc [13:28] <jokoon> I mean some existing installable program |
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| 11:31.54 | myke2 | I have a question |
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| 11:32.01 | myke2 | Why Debian Squeeze |
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| 11:32.26 | webad13 | I am using grep -o to display only the patter that is matched... however I am also using -E so that you could display multiple patterns matched on a line (patter1|pattern2)... The problem is that if I use -o then these patterns are not displayed on the same line but one after the other. How can I fix this? |
| 11:32.38 | myke2 | Why Debian Squeeze's netinst CD has wpa_supplicant but it doesn't have the full dependency of wpa_supplicant |
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| 11:32.52 | webad13 | s/patter/pattern |
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| 11:41.41 | andax | I'm trying to use apt-cache search whatever to find out which version of an application is currently in the repos, however a lot of searches just return the name of the package, not the exact version. How do I find out the actual version number like 2.4.1 or whatever ? |
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| 11:42.11 | myke2 | andax: use aptitude and see the reference of Debian |
| 11:42.13 | andax | besides checking /var/cache/apt manually |
| 11:42.16 | Iridos | webad..... oh great |
| 11:42.18 | andax | oh thanks |
| 11:42.33 | andax | let's check out aptitude thank you |
| 11:42.33 | Iridos | they ask a borderline-offtopic question and leave |
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| 11:43.14 | wols_ | andax: apt-cache policy <package name> |
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| 11:43.25 | abrotman | andax: grep-dctrl might be more help perhaps |
| 11:44.00 | Iridos | andax, apt-show-versions ? |
| 11:44.21 | myke2 | andax: eee, there's one new reference, please pay attention, it's english, french ... but my english is bad, awful. |
| 11:44.29 | andax | oh perfect, apt-cache policy <package> returned all info I need |
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| 11:45.22 | abrotman | why wouldn't apt-cache or aptitude show have worked then? |
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| 11:45.30 | abrotman | thought there was some searching by name involved ... |
| 11:45.53 | _deyan_ | apt-cache search (pakage name) |
| 11:46.03 | abrotman | uh .. |
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| 11:46.34 | Iridos | I still think apt-show-versions probably gives the best output for the problem... but... whatever makes him happy :) |
| 11:46.37 | myke2 | andax: but aptitude has more powerful regular expression |
| 11:46.52 | andax | myke2: does aptitude has super cow powers also? :) |
| 11:47.01 | abrotman | no |
| 11:47.18 | myke2 | adb: I don't know what you mean. |
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| 11:47.27 | abrotman | but it does have an elephant being swallowed by a snake |
| 11:47.30 | myke2 | andax: I don't know what you mean. |
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| 11:47.37 | myke2 | andax: Sorry ä½äºº |
| 11:47.38 | andax | myke2: everyone knows apt has super cow powers :) |
| 11:47.53 | myke2 | andax: what's super cow powers? |
| 11:48.23 | jason404 | cows fart a lot |
| 11:48.28 | andax | myke2: type apt-get moo |
| 11:48.45 | abrotman | andax: aptitude -vvvvv moo |
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| 11:49.24 | myke2 | andax: It's only for western countries, I don't know the meaning. |
| 11:49.48 | andax | andax@thinkpad ~ $ aptitude moo results -> There are no Easter Eggs in this program. , however aptitude -vvvvv moo shows otherwise LOL |
| 11:50.03 | andax | didn't know about it :) |
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| 11:51.32 | andax | myke2: in french: "apt a des pouvoirs de la vache super" ( google translate ) |
| 11:51.37 | jason404 | but what is that easter egg in aptitude? what is that supposed to be?# |
| 11:51.57 | jason404 | a really bad ASCII cat? |
| 11:52.01 | myke2 | andax: I'm not european |
| 11:52.24 | andax | myke2: sorry i though you're french , it's just a joke :) |
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| 11:52.44 | jason404 | myke2: It's just like Pokemon. Just think Pokemon |
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| 11:54.07 | myke2 | andax: My english is bad. the english tests in my circumstance are based on grammar, not useful language. |
| 11:54.08 | andax | thanks for the help about the package version stuff, really helpful for me now, the problem is already solved you guys helped me a lot |
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| 12:06.13 | arunkumar413 | hi i am unable to connect to internet using the zte k3570-z 3G usb modem.plz help me |
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| 12:09.59 | Gump_ | hey #debian, I want to copy a mounted filesystem exactly to another mounted device. how can i do this? |
| 12:10.27 | ninnghazad | use dd. it copies exact bit-per-bit |
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| 12:10.47 | ninnghazad | like: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc4 |
| 12:11.09 | ninnghazad | if and of can be files and/or devices |
| 12:12.02 | Gump_ | now, i'm reading here that disk geometry matters if i want to boot from this filesystem. is that true? |
| 12:12.14 | Gump_ | ie, do i need to make an exact replica of the filesystem, or just use dd to copy the data? |
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| 12:13.10 | arunkumar413 | hi i am unable to connect to internet using the zte k3570-z 3G usb modem.plz help me |
| 12:13.13 | Iridos | Gump_, I usually just copied the files to a new disk and then made it bootable again |
| 12:13.30 | wols_ | Gump_: usually not, but simply redo your "grub-install" and you're not |
| 12:13.39 | Gump_ | Iridos, what did you have to do to make it bootable? |
| 12:13.47 | Gump_ | wols_, alright thanks |
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| 12:14.18 | Iridos | Gump_, reinstall the boot-sector with grub... grub-install should do it, as wols_ said |
| 12:14.19 | wols_ | Gump_: and dd is not a good solution unless both devices are exactly the same. last but not least: only copy with dd if the filesystem is mounted read only or you get nasty surprises |
| 12:14.45 | Gump_ | haha k. thanks |
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| 12:14.58 | wols_ | Gump_: to copy, I'd rather use cp -a or use something like partmagic |
| 12:15.08 | Iridos | yeah... that was exactly the reason I didn't copy the filesystem but only the files... you lose the extra-space if you copy to a bigger disk (or have to resize afterwards) |
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| 12:17.43 | Gump_ | wols_, cp -a returns "cp: cannot overwrite non-directory `/dev/sdb1' with directory `/mnt/win'" |
| 12:19.06 | Gump_ | wait. sh*t. /media/sdb1 |
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| 12:21.06 | Iridos | Gump_, I think the error message explains it pretty well :) |
| 12:21.22 | Gump_ | lol yes |
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| 12:31.29 | wols_ | Gump_: windows is totally different and we cannot help you cloning a windows installation. or in other words: copying Windows Installations under Debian WILL fail 100% |
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| 12:32.50 | eL_GaTo | Saludos a todos,,,,,,,besitos para las chicas :*) |
| 12:32.55 | eL_GaTo | alguien aki habla spanish ??? |
| 12:33.00 | wols_ | !es |
| 12:33.00 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 12:33.30 | eL_GaTo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:33.40 | wols_ | dpkg is a bit |
| 12:33.40 | dpkg | wols_: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:33.43 | wols_ | is a bot |
| 12:33.48 | eL_GaTo | :D |
| 12:33.50 | eL_GaTo | ostia |
| 12:33.51 | eL_GaTo | Jejejeje jeeeeeeeeeeeee jejejeje!!! ©® |
| 12:34.29 | babilen | !es-social eL_GaTo |
| 12:34.30 | dpkg | eL_GaTo: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi. |
| 12:35.04 | eL_GaTo | es que el lio ahi nadie habla |
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| 12:35.25 | babilen | !otherchannel eL_GaTo #debian-es-cachondeo irc.oftc.net |
| 12:35.26 | dpkg | eL_GaTo: The channel you are looking for is #debian-es-cachondeo on irc.oftc.net. Please do /server irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-es-cachondeo. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-es-cachondeo |
| 12:35.29 | dawud | eL_GaTo: yo hablo español, /msg me for help |
| 12:35.51 | eL_GaTo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:36.22 | dawud | eL_GaTo: I can help, private-msg, this is a channel in english. Te ayudo, pero en privado |
| 12:37.08 | babilen | dawud: Thanks |
| 12:37.24 | dawud | babilen: np |
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| 12:38.08 | Acony | does anyone here have problems with skype under gnome, it cant log me in at all ? |
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| 12:39.36 | wols_ | !skype |
| 12:39.36 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 12:40.02 | wols_ | Acony: ask skype.com themselves about their current problems |
| 12:40.36 | ksk | ee http://twitter.com/#!/Skype/status/78054500161695745 ;= |
| 12:40.37 | ksk | ;) |
| 12:40.48 | ksk | s/ee/see/ |
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| 12:41.02 | Acony | wols_ tnx, but I am not looking for technical support only to see does somebody here have the same problem |
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| 12:41.37 | Acony | ksk tnx this is usefull |
| 12:41.44 | wols_ | Acony: this is a debian channel. anything but debian is OT. so you are OT. have a nice day and don't come back with skype questions. tech support or otherwise |
| 12:41.44 | avheoz | ok debian/kfreebsd is up and running.. thanks for the help. now lets see whether i can get some zfs jails up and running |
| 12:42.05 | avheoz | Acony: its a global problem |
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| 12:43.04 | Acony | wols_ well sorry for OT but I like to post something here, don't kill the irc :D |
| 12:43.05 | abrotman | use ekiga! |
| 12:43.07 | squantrill | any procedure for getting igb driver installed off a usb key with squeeze ?? |
| 12:43.13 | Acony | avheoz, yeap I see now... |
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| 12:43.23 | abrotman | or uhm .. gizmodo ? what was that called |
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| 12:43.57 | bs0d | Good day everybody |
| 12:44.13 | wols_ | squantrill: I doubt debian squeeze lacks intel gbit lan drivers. you sure you need them? |
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| 12:44.20 | bs0d | Such a noobie question, how to become root in GNOME? |
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| 12:44.33 | abrotman | oh, it was Gizmo |
| 12:44.38 | jelly | bs0d: "su -" in a terminal |
| 12:44.45 | abrotman | bs0d: you mean login to gnome as root? |
| 12:44.47 | wols_ | bs0d: gksu or gksudo |
| 12:45.05 | jelly | bs0d: if you need to run X apps as root (why? which ones?), what wols_ said |
| 12:45.09 | metbsd | what if i find "stable" old, and find "unstable" unstable |
| 12:45.11 | bs0d | I mean not the console, but the user interface ... I mean, that all the applications that I choose from the menu ( i.e the directory browser ) are run as root by default |
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| 12:45.18 | jelly | metbsd: then Debian is not for you |
| 12:45.38 | jelly | metbsd: thankfully there are lots of Linux distros! |
| 12:45.40 | wols_ | metbsd: people then run testing. worst of both worlds: no security updates and not the latest software (since that's sid) |
| 12:46.07 | jelly | metbsd: however testing is a bit more stable than unstable, and a bit less old than stable |
| 12:46.12 | jelly | <g> |
| 12:46.29 | abrotman | bs0d: you don't do that .. that's a *really* bad idea |
| 12:47.05 | metbsd | in otherword, testing is older than unstable, and not as stable as stable |
| 12:47.08 | jelly | bs0d: those apps are not written to be run as root. |
| 12:47.18 | jelly | metbsd: yes! |
| 12:47.34 | babilen | !tell metbsd about testing |
| 12:47.39 | abrotman | metbsd: and has no security dates .. and if testing does have something break, usually it's broken for longer |
| 12:47.57 | bs0d | jelly: abrotman: I want to create adirectory inside the /usr/local but I cannot, as make folder menu item is not active, I need to run the file browser from root acc to be able to create a directory there. I have looked for some "Run as administrator" application menu but did not find anything similar |
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| 12:48.09 | metbsd | does stable and unstable have security updates? |
| 12:48.14 | wols_ | bs0d: gksu nautilus |
| 12:48.22 | avheoz | bs0d: or just make a folder there once as root and change ownership of it to your regular user |
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| 12:48.36 | avheoz | bs0d: then again, why you'd want to write in /usr/local as a user is the real question |
| 12:48.36 | wols_ | stable has security updates. unstable does not since it just gets a new version of software fo |
| 12:48.38 | abrotman | metbsd: stable does .. unstable gets them by way of new packages being uploaded frequently |
| 12:48.46 | jelly | bs0d: or use a terminal and a root shell and the "mkdir" command |
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| 12:49.23 | abrotman | that's crazy talk |
| 12:49.48 | avheoz | anyone else running into the debian/kfreebsd gdm-greeter bug on initial login? I'm updating to wheezy now to see if things are better there |
| 12:49.58 | jelly | !kfreebsd |
| 12:49.59 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:50.00 | abrotman | what could go wrong ... |
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| 12:50.18 | jelly | avheoz: try asking in that channel about kfreebsd-specific issues |
| 12:50.32 | wols_ | squantrill: igb is a kernel module driver, which means you need a full build-essential (lots of packages, gcc, bintools, etc) and the kernel headers for the running kernel |
| 12:50.33 | avheoz | jelly: will do, thanks |
| 12:50.35 | jelly | avheoz: note it's on a different irc network |
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| 12:53.26 | rgr | why would "suspend to disk" be missing from the power management options on my eee? (debian squeeze), |
| 12:53.30 | jelly | metbsd: only stable gets security updates; oldstable does as well, for about 12 months after the release of stable |
| 12:54.02 | abrotman | rgr: no acpi support? |
| 12:54.27 | rgr | well, what does acpi cover? power management works (laptop mode) and suspend to ram works. |
| 12:54.55 | wols_ | rgr: installed pm-utils? |
| 12:55.56 | rgr | installed |
| 12:56.17 | wols_ | and pm-hibernate works? |
| 12:56.28 | wols_ | swap space big enough? |
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| 12:57.17 | metbsd | which is older between centos and stable |
| 12:57.43 | abrotman | metbsd: we don't know much about centos .. Squeeze was released earlier this year |
| 12:57.43 | wols_ | metbsd: what is darker? apples or heaven? |
| 12:57.44 | abrotman | !squeeze |
| 12:57.44 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.1>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 12:58.32 | wols_ | metbsd: distrowatch shows the version numbers of the most important packages for every distro |
| 12:58.57 | metbsd | oo i almost forgot distrowatch |
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| 12:59.42 | wodar | hello what is the best practice to use a nvidia graphic card with debian? |
| 12:59.54 | wols_ | !nvidia |
| 12:59.54 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:00.06 | metbsd | i wonder how they get data from in distrowatch |
| 13:00.09 | jelly | wodar: depends on the card. Sometimes the free drivers work, sometimes nvidia's own work better |
| 13:00.30 | wodar | jelly: both creating artefacts on my machine |
| 13:00.34 | wols_ | wodar: if you need 3D, the proprietary ones are the only ones available |
| 13:00.43 | wols_ | wodar: that sounds like a heat problem |
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| 13:02.01 | wodar | nope, not really, it's just this http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=161308 behaviour |
| 13:02.07 | chrisxcx | looking for debian derivative with gnome 3. what are my options? |
| 13:02.08 | wols_ | wodar: or you have one of the many models nvidia misdesigned and which die like flies |
| 13:02.10 | metbsd | good news, squeeze is newer than centos |
| 13:02.23 | wols_ | !sns |
| 13:02.24 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 13:02.49 | wodar | wols_: that's exactly what i want to hear with something like 15 machines with this card here :D |
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| 13:03.56 | jelly | metbsd: versions of kernel and software in CentOS (and the original RHEL) are often not indicative of its updates. RHEL 5 kernel says its version is 2.6.18-something but it supports features normally found in 2.6.24-2.6.32 |
| 13:03.58 | wols_ | wodar: considering the diverse number of cards mentioned in that thread, it's not the bumps. this time. sounds like a driver issue there. use an older driver if the card is not totally new? |
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| 13:04.23 | chrisxcx | looking at installing multiple pc is the house with ubuntu. what are my options for updates apt-proxy? |
| 13:04.31 | jelly | metbsd: what are you planning to run. |
| 13:04.39 | wols_ | chrisxcx: #ubuntu |
| 13:04.40 | metbsd | jelly, but centos kde only 3.5.4, where debian stable is 4.6 |
| 13:05.31 | chrisxcx | whoops got my channels confused |
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| 13:06.05 | wodar | hmm, wols_ that's a sound plan, will check what is possible |
| 13:06.12 | jordanm | looks like centos 6 is being "synced to external mirrors" this month |
| 13:06.36 | wols_ | wodar: why not use the debian packaged drivers. they are older (ie not 270.x) |
| 13:07.25 | wodar | wols_: I'm currently bind to dkms, or, to put it another way, would love to use it with dkms |
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| 13:08.20 | wols_ | !tell wodar about nvidia dkms |
| 13:08.56 | webad13 | how do I check terminal column width? |
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| 13:10.51 | webad13 | just to be a bit clearer - I would like to know the width of my terminal (if it is 100, 120 ...) |
| 13:11.03 | wols_ | webad13: stty -a |
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| 13:11.40 | webad13 | wols_: thank you |
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| 13:27.11 | Justin | rizzeh: put openwrt on it :) |
| 13:27.15 | nifiga | good day. I've got phenom x4 955. My debian6 in /proc/cpuinfo reports it has "cpu MHz : 184158.448". Is there a way to fix it? |
| 13:27.20 | ChibaPet | Is there a way I can select that during install? Can I add backports as a resource during install? I've never tried anything like that. |
| 13:27.27 | Bushmills | +1 openwrt |
| 13:27.33 | Justin | rizzeh: or any other replacement firmware, many of those have web based wol clients |
| 13:27.49 | thewanderer1s | wols_: right, I've mistaken that for linuxonlaptops.net or sth |
| 13:27.56 | abrotman | ChibaPet: did you try turning off acpi and apic ? |
| 13:28.04 | rizzeh | Justin: mmm good idea, ther few custom ROMs for the router |
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| 13:28.10 | jelly | nifiga: a cosmetic issue like that? A newer kernel might do the trick but if everything works, leave it be |
| 13:28.14 | ChibaPet | I don't remember... It's been a while. I'll try giving it a boot today and see how far I get. |
| 13:28.31 | wols_ | ChibaPet: you can download the kernel from debian.org and put it on a usb stick. you can mount the stick and install it if you chroot into your debian installation. I don't know of any installer which currently has that kernel unfortunately |
| 13:28.47 | ChibaPet | Hm. |
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| 13:28.49 | jelly | dpkg, tell nifiga about bpo kernel |
| 13:28.49 | rizzeh | googles openwrt |
| 13:29.06 | ChibaPet | I'll try chrooting into my Debian partition from Fedora then. That might work. |
| 13:29.06 | wols_ | rizzeh: doesn't work on all routers |
| 13:29.06 | nifiga | jelly, my panel takes this value and uses to count cpu_cap for xen. So I need to fix it, or to find some workaround:) |
| 13:29.23 | wols_ | squantrill: talk in channel. better for all |
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| 13:29.38 | jelly | nifiga: I'm not good with paneling, more of a software guy |
| 13:29.38 | tuxcrafter | what happens with the a file if you set the SUID on a file that is not executable |
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| 13:29.47 | wols_ | squantrill: if the interface doesn't come up, check dmesg. for starters: dmesg |grep eth or dmesg |grep e1000 |
| 13:29.48 | tuxcrafter | chmod g+s file.txt |
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| 13:30.16 | nifiga | jelly, I'm thinking of replacing "cat" with a shell script :D |
| 13:30.26 | wols_ | squantrill: could be a firmware issue /msg dpkg firmware |
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| 13:30.40 | wols_ | squantrill: I told you to talk in channel. do not privately message. thank you |
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| 13:31.01 | rizzeh | Justin: my THG520 is supported by openwrt, awesome stuff :) |
| 13:31.04 | squantrill | wols_: sorry didnt see it ;) Ill take a check its in the server room thanks for tips |
| 13:31.43 | nifiga | jelly, seems there is no xen-kernel in backports ( |
| 13:32.01 | wols_ | squantrill: lenny had closed-source firmware in the distro while squeeze removed it. so if hardware suddenly doesn't work anymore, this is the first suspect. you need to install a firmware package from non-free then |
| 13:32.32 | nifiga | aptitude search syntax is crazy =\ |
| 13:32.49 | wols_ | nifiga: it will become sentient any day now I think |
| 13:33.26 | nifiga | :) |
| 13:34.29 | wols_ | wow. linux-laptop.net is unbelievably outdated |
| 13:34.31 | nifiga | ok there is no new xen kernel, so I will try to make some workaround for cat :) |
| 13:35.09 | Bushmills | maybe that's the "stable" articles you're looking at :D |
| 13:35.20 | jelly | nifiga: lo siento |
| 13:35.38 | nifiga | jelly, what? |
| 13:35.53 | wols_ | Bushmills: very stable. half the domains the articles link to have expired since then and are now owned by domain grabbers. very stable owned, I'm sure |
| 13:35.55 | jelly | "sorry" |
| 13:35.59 | nifiga | :D |
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| 13:37.03 | ChibaPet | Hm. Where does Backports live for purposes of a download? Not seeing it parallel to Squeeze in dists, nor within it, when I look at ftp.debian.org. |
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| 13:39.08 | wols_ | ChibaPet: http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ |
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| 13:39.23 | ChibaPet | Ah, not on ftp - thank you again. |
| 13:39.34 | ansgar | ChibaPet: Or http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
| 13:39.38 | ChibaPet | ty |
| 13:39.47 | osmosis_paul | somebody have any idea, how to allow only tree external ip's in my server |
| 13:39.52 | wols_ | ChibaPet: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/i386/linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686/download it's on various ftp mirrors |
| 13:39.53 | osmosis_paul | i'm using arno firewall |
| 13:40.24 | ChibaPet | ty again :) sorry to be such a pest :) |
| 13:40.31 | wols_ | ChibaPet: this is for the i386 kernel, amd64 is different. you're no pest |
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| 13:41.17 | jelly | you're a pet! |
| 13:41.22 | ChibaPet | :) |
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| 13:41.56 | gentz | I jsut upgraded my debian system and now i'm getting random system crashes. How can I list all of the latest packages that were installed by aptitude and revert? |
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| 13:42.40 | ChibaPet | Hrm. I'm looking for amd64, and I'm getting no results searching backports for linux-image (and insufficient result searching for linux) on package.debian. |
| 13:42.45 | wols_ | jelly: being so high maintenance he must be a cat |
| 13:42.54 | Alam_Squeeze | gentz: you can check your dpkg.log in /var/log |
| 13:43.05 | wols_ | ChibaPet: http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ for the search |
| 13:43.18 | wols_ | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 13:43.27 | ChibaPet | I feel stupid today. I'll come back and contribute at some point. Thank you still once more. |
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| 13:44.08 | gentz | Alam_Squeeze: Ok I see the packages that were installed/upgraded how can I revert? |
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| 13:44.26 | wols_ | ChibaPet: no worries, you're doing fine |
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| 13:44.31 | ChibaPet | Yeah, searching from backports.debian seems to move me to the main packages.debian. That said, your link works, so I'll save that. |
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| 13:45.05 | wols_ | gentz: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:45.33 | wols_ | gentz: but reverting is tricky: /msg dpkg partial downgrade it might help if you tell us exactly what you did |
| 13:45.34 | Alam_Squeeze | gentz: just install the old packages? you may still have a copy of the old version in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 13:47.36 | gentz | I upgraded python and libxml, and now my kde environment is freezing , crashing randomly on mouse clicks and the kernel becomes completely unresponsive (kernel panic log doesn't show, and magic sysrq key is unresponsive) |
| 13:48.50 | stew | gentz: i'd suggest looking for hardware errors. make sure its not overheating and run memtest86 |
| 13:48.57 | gentz | What's the best way to install the previous version. Do i need to remove python and then install it. just use dpkg -i ? |
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| 13:49.17 | stew | I wouldn't worry about python until you work out the problems with your hardware and/or kernel |
| 13:49.32 | gentz | I shoudn't have said random. It happens when I left click right after I right-click |
| 13:49.33 | rgr | thewanderer1: yes, I see what you mean in that case yes you are of course correct. debian wiki and then submit a link to that. |
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| 13:50.58 | wols_ | gentz: for downgrades you normally need to use "dpkg -i" a lot and often force dpkg to actually install. messy |
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| 13:51.25 | wols_ | gentz: does kde's UI (plasma?) use python a lot? |
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| 13:51.41 | gentz | wols_: yes |
| 13:51.44 | stew | if the kernel is freezing, its a kernel and/or hardware problem |
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| 13:52.18 | stew | there is no way that even a horribly broken python should be able to do that. |
| 13:52.26 | wols_ | stew: X has a direct line to the kernel especially on 3D desktops like kde so it might be affected |
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| 13:52.42 | thewanderer1s | say, how do I compile a module with DKMS? |
| 13:52.51 | nkuttler | kde is 3d nowadays? sheesh.. |
| 13:52.53 | stew | wols_: kde doesn't. X doesn't use python nor libxml |
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| 13:53.01 | hochiminh | does the debian installer dvd have the predefined "desktop enviorment" packages in it or will i need to download them/use another dvd |
| 13:53.16 | wols_ | stew: but his kde obviously does |
| 13:53.17 | abrotman | hochiminh: it has a bunch of gnome packages |
| 13:53.25 | abrotman | !tell hochiminh about cd contents |
| 13:53.32 | wols_ | hochiminh: only CD1 has. netinst doesn't |
| 13:54.17 | hochiminh | wols_: i tried the cd, there was no "desktop enviorment", it did however try to download from a mirror, do you mean dvd1? |
| 13:54.37 | hochiminh | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/list-cd/ (first one) |
| 13:54.39 | wols_ | hochiminh: no. CD1 has (parts) of gnome. enough to start |
| 13:55.54 | thewanderer1s | what is /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build supposed to contain? |
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| 13:56.28 | squantrill | wols_ I installed the gkms_driver then found squeeze renamed the eth0 port to port 3!! |
| 13:56.47 | squantrill | wols_: now working thanks |
| 13:57.32 | gentz | Whoops it looks like my kernel was upgraded in dpkg |
| 13:57.41 | wols_ | hochiminh: just checked the "desktop" task from tasksel. can't find any gnome in there. however on the CD there are gnome packages you can install. try "gnome-session" |
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| 13:58.16 | gentz | nm the kernel is failing to upgrade |
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| 14:00.37 | stew | wols_: desktop includes desktop-base |
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| 14:08.00 | hochiminh | at the page http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-install-base there is section 6.3.5.2. Selecting and Installing Software talking about "predefined collections of software" |
| 14:08.10 | hochiminh | is there somewhere to see what packages are in these predefined collections |
| 14:08.30 | hochiminh | moreover are these predefined collections only on mirrors? |
| 14:08.46 | abrotman | hochiminh: you can use tasksel to see those |
| 14:09.06 | hochiminh | abrotman: i have never used tasksel, can you explain |
| 14:09.07 | abrotman | hochiminh: i will say that generally, advanced users skip tasksel and install using aptitude |
| 14:09.10 | abrotman | !tasksel |
| 14:09.10 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 14:09.11 | stew | hochiminh: tasksel --task-packages taskname |
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| 14:11.11 | ujjain | Does anybody have an idea what bot dpkg is? |
| 14:11.37 | thelastninja | !dpkg |
| 14:11.37 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 14:11.38 | stew | dpkg: what are you |
| 14:11.52 | thelastninja | !dpkgbot |
| 14:11.52 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 14:11.52 | ujjain | !dpkgbot |
| 14:11.57 | stew | dpkg: what are you |
| 14:11.57 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 14:11.59 | ujjain | Probably custom made :) |
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| 14:12.20 | stew | ujjain: infobot.sf.net |
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| 14:13.34 | ujjain | stew: ah cool :) |
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| 14:13.56 | hochiminh | : | there sure are alot of redirects from bot to page to channel to bot |
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| 14:14.15 | ujjain | !dpkg | ujjain |
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| 14:15.59 | abrotman | ujjain: you can msg the bot |
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| 14:17.31 | ujjain | I wanted to see if it would type ujjain: answer |
| 14:19.10 | wangb | hellow every! |
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| 14:20.36 | jason404^Away | what is this semaphore disconnection about and how do I stop it? |
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| 14:23.44 | sabgenton | does tar -p do anything when creating? |
| 14:23.47 | sabgenton | or are permissions always made |
| 14:23.51 | sabgenton | is it just an extracting thing |
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| 14:29.04 | Strife89 | Can anyone here recommend a GUI disc authoring program, other than Brasero? I have reason to believe that it's botching all of my burn jobs that aren't already-existing .ISOs. |
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| 14:30.44 | Justin | Strife89: so make the .iso before you burn it and verify that it looks OK first |
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| 14:32.00 | jordanm | Strife89: k3b |
| 14:32.23 | Strife89 | Justin: Most of what I'm burning is audio and video files. When I attempt to play them from the disc on *any* Linux-running computer, the media player (VLC, Totem, etc.) gives up playback at once, declaring it "cannot determine the type of stream". The files themselves on the source machine, on the other hand, play back fine. |
| 14:32.59 | tuxcrafter | iin welke klas leren kinderen tellen en geld ruilen |
| 14:33.02 | Justin | Strife89: try comparing them with cmp instead of playing them |
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| 14:33.11 | tuxcrafter | wrong channel sorry :D |
| 14:33.16 | babilen | apparently :) |
| 14:33.40 | Strife89 | jordanm: The machine in question lacks an Internet connection, and doesn't have KDE installed. Lots and lots of packages to manually fetch. |
| 14:34.30 | babilen | Strife89: wodim or growisofs? (the latter for DVDs) |
| 14:34.35 | stew | Strife89: learn to use the command line tools :) its not that bad |
| 14:34.53 | babilen | Strife89: Ah, GUI, sorry ... but command line tools are good to know. |
| 14:35.07 | Justin | Strife89: really, you should generate the iso, mount it, and then compare the source files with the files on the .iso |
| 14:35.18 | Justin | Strife89: there's no reason to burn the image if the files are already corrupted |
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| 14:35.30 | Strife89 | Justin: Good point. |
| 14:35.56 | Strife89 | kicks himself for wasting four discs before noticing anything. |
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| 14:38.49 | [THC]AcidRain | if anyone has any computer informative articles they would like to donate to my website. plz msg me. |
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| 14:50.38 | twobitsprite | is there something like 'top' for files? |
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| 14:51.37 | Justin | twobitsprite: elaborate ? |
| 14:52.00 | twobitsprite | Justin: shows a list of files sorted by how much they're being accessed and updated every second or so |
| 14:52.27 | twobitsprite | or a list of processes but sorted by disk access instead of CPU/mem |
| 14:52.29 | Justin | there's iotop, which is close |
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| 14:53.49 | twobitsprite | I'll check it out, thanks |
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| 14:54.39 | twobitsprite | yep, that's good enough for me, thanks |
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| 15:02.27 | rypervenche | ZykoticK9: ML post? |
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| 15:05.33 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/F19TeKfT why do i get that when i try to remove virtualbox-ose-guest stuff? |
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| 15:06.12 | JyZyXEL | makes no sense that all that xserver stuff will be installed if i remove that |
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| 15:06.57 | wodar | is there a way to continue apt-get update, even if the release file is expired? |
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| 15:10.32 | webad13 | can I monitor all interfaces at the same time with iftop? |
| 15:11.00 | webad13 | I would like to know overall bandwidth and I have multiple NICs |
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| 15:11.28 | Sjors | Hi all |
| 15:11.39 | Sjors | Question about apt's internals: why is automatic removal called when Apt is in download-only mode? |
| 15:11.53 | Sjors | that's weird, isn't it? |
| 15:12.01 | abrotman | Sjors: in Debian? |
| 15:12.17 | Sjors | abrotman: yep, at least in apt 0.7.25-3 |
| 15:12.36 | abrotman | Sjors: that version isn't in Debian anywhere |
| 15:12.36 | Sjors | abrotman: cmdline/apt-get.cc line 1857 calls DoAutomaticRemove, without checking if it's going to install or remove any packages anyway |
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| 15:13.23 | wangb | every here is useing debian? |
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| 15:13.40 | krisfremen | why else would be be here? |
| 15:14.14 | abrotman | wodar: does --allow-unauthenticated let that happen ? |
| 15:14.25 | jason404 | wangb: I don't |
| 15:14.31 | abrotman | Sjors: we have no idea how Ubuntu patches their apt packages .. perhaps you should ask #ubuntu |
| 15:15.45 | wodar | abrotman: i will give it a try |
| 15:16.05 | stew | wodar: you mean the signature is from an expired key? or what |
| 15:16.05 | Sjors | abrotman: I understand how you came to the conclusion I'm using Ubuntu, but I'm not and I got it from unpatched Apt sources |
| 15:16.33 | wodar | nope, no success, i get a |
| 15:16.38 | wodar | E: Release file expired, ignoring http://apt-proxy:9999/debian/dists/testing/InRelease (invalid since 1d 0h 54min 18s) |
| 15:16.41 | Sjors | abrotman: to give more background: I am a Fink maintainer, a package manager for Mac OS X which uses apt and dpkg |
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| 15:17.25 | stew | Sjors: ah, you found the wrong channel then. this channel is for end user support for debian users |
| 15:17.38 | Sjors | abrotman: we're upgrading to a much newer apt version - and while Fink was using apt in download-only mode to download some packages from binary distributions, Apt decided to bail out because the autoremover checks package state even though the apt instantion isn't going to change the package state, at all |
| 15:17.44 | Sjors | stew: ah, allright |
| 15:18.04 | Sjors | (^ because it's in download-only mode) |
| 15:19.06 | stew | wodar: sounds like a problem with your proxy, the current InRelease files for testing shouldn't expire for a week |
| 15:19.28 | wodar | abrotman: the interesting part of the story is that some old clients are just happy with the repo, only some machines upgraded to testing are kind of unsatisfied |
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| 15:20.09 | ZykoticK9 | rypervenche, wasn't the "No Display Manager + shutdown/reboot" Mailing List post from you? Same issue, same time... i just assumed. |
| 15:20.14 | stew | Sjors: perhaps you want http://lists.debian.org/deity/ |
| 15:20.24 | wodar | yeah, but where does InRelease come from, i think it's kind of new is'nt it? |
| 15:20.42 | stew | Sjors: except maybe not, that's going to be package matinenance, not development |
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| 15:21.02 | stew | wodar: InRelease is just Release with an inline signature instead of the detached Release.gpg |
| 15:21.17 | Sjors | stew: hmm... well, as this is sort of a bug, it could be with maintainance |
| 15:21.24 | Sjors | stew: I first need to check whether apt-trunk does this too, though |
| 15:21.30 | Sjors | stew: thanks for the link :) |
| 15:21.35 | stew | Sjors: no, that's not what "maintenance" means here |
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| 15:21.47 | Sjors | ah |
| 15:21.55 | wodar | stew: ah, is there a way to force the old detached release.gpg way? |
| 15:22.01 | stew | Sjors: here it refers specifically to the packaging of it for debian |
| 15:22.10 | stew | wodar: why would you want to? |
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| 15:22.25 | ZykoticK9 | rypervenche, have you found a GUI method of shutting down or restarting yet? |
| 15:22.49 | wodar | I would like to test if my proxy is just not happy with inline signature and except that fine? |
| 15:22.54 | stew | wodar: the Release and InRelease would always have the same expiry date, so it wouldn't help your problem |
| 15:23.12 | wecing | Hello. I'm using squeeze now. Why gdm3 says "could not update ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority" when I'm booting? |
| 15:23.30 | rypervenche | ZykoticK9: No, I haven't. Only with using GDM did it work. |
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| 15:24.08 | statix | Has anyone else noticed that xfs and jfs kernel modules are loaded for no apparent reason since upgrading to squeeze? |
| 15:24.29 | wodar | stew: yeah, what i suspected |
| 15:24.36 | wodar | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/approx/approx_4.6-1/changelog |
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| 15:24.52 | wodar | my current version pre 4.6.1 don't support inline release |
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| 15:26.21 | wodar | so is there a way to force a apt client to use not InRelease? |
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| 15:35.59 | ZykoticK9 | rypervenche, 10 or so minutes ago in OFTC's #debian channel - http://paste.debian.net/119122/ |
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| 15:36.55 | rypervenche | ZykoticK9: Ah ok. thank you. |
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| 15:38.46 | lluvia | I am installing debian in a yeeloong and it is a litle hacking, I'm following some instructions and in the end of instalation, from a terminal I have to install a package using chroot, but the given command report me an error |
| 15:39.12 | lluvia | the command is : chroot /bin/bash |
| 15:39.34 | jordanm | it should be chroot <mount point> /bin/bash |
| 15:39.56 | lluvia | jordanm, thanks, I thought it too |
| 15:40.04 | tharkun | What is a yeeloong? |
| 15:40.25 | lluvia | the first with Free bios by default laptop |
| 15:40.32 | tharkun | lluvia: thanks |
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| 15:41.06 | lluvia | I did: chroot /target/root /bin/bash but it didn't worked |
| 15:41.27 | lluvia | - /target/root is not ok? |
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| 15:41.51 | jordanm | lluvia: pastebin the error and the output of ls -alhl /target/root |
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| 15:42.00 | jordanm | lluvia: its ok if there is a debian fileystem there |
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| 15:42.52 | ledoktre | greetings guys. quick question- in migrating from centos to lenny... does lenny have any folder similar to /var/lock/subsys -- apache on centos would sometimes refuse to start, and you had to clear the httpd files from /var/lock/subsys. Any thoughts regarding debian in this case? |
| 15:43.23 | lluvia | there is no filesystem there really only a file that was copied by myself, |
| 15:43.48 | jordanm | ledoktre: are you gaving a problem starting apache? what exactly did you copy from centos? |
| 15:43.49 | jargon- | how do i run a .py as user www-data from cro |
| 15:43.55 | lluvia | the instructions Im following are that: http://blog.pcode.nl/2011/04/17/installing-debian-squeeze-on-a-yeeloong-netbook/ |
| 15:44.16 | blackshirt | ledoktre: are you mean pid file ? |
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| 15:45.10 | lluvia | maybe I have to choose /dev/sda1 like root system? |
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| 15:46.26 | vieq_ | hello, can I enable sid repo's to grab a pkg and disable it afterwards? |
| 15:46.28 | lluvia | (ls -alhl gave: .aptitude .bashrc .profile and a .deb I dopied there) |
| 15:46.37 | lluvia | copied* |
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| 15:47.38 | jordanm | lluvia: sounds like the filesystem is at /target |
| 15:47.48 | jordanm | lluvia: try chroot /target /bin/bash |
| 15:48.08 | lluvia | jordanm, it is there, I just checked |
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| 15:48.42 | lluvia | jordanm, it worked, thanks for your attention :) |
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| 15:49.36 | ChibaPet | So! I had trouble installing the nVidia stuff under the backported kernel, so I tried again with straight Squeeze. Got it to work this time. I'm not sure what was locking up before that's not locking up now. |
| 15:49.52 | cloudfade | Anyone know if the gtx 580 is supported by the newest nvidia drivers in the repos? Or am I stuck using a binary blob? |
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| 15:51.44 | rypervenche | Yeah, it was hard for me too using the backport kernel. I just used Squeeze kernel until I moved to Wheezy, and then I built it using module assistant in Wheezy. |
| 15:52.45 | lluvia | cloudfade, maybe it help you: http://www.h-node.com/videocards/catalogue/en/1/1/NVIDIA |
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| 15:54.04 | ChibaPet | I don't think I need to move to Wheezy now - I've got everything working. |
| 15:54.15 | cloudfade | great site, thanks lluvia |
| 15:54.18 | ChibaPet | It's conceivable I was having trouble because of missing firmware. I installed the non-free firmware. |
| 15:54.59 | lluvia | cloudfade, pomote it! |
| 15:55.07 | lluvia | promote* |
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| 15:55.30 | cloudfade | kind of reassuring what I thought. this card is just too new... stuck using the nvidia driver |
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| 15:57.31 | km1 | anyone running debian6 on vmware workstation7? |
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| 15:58.15 | lamah | I have/got unexpected restart on my computer on boot, I don't know what is it, it restarts always when i insert bootable CD, when i boot Linux etc., and it restarts, only in booting mode, what should be that ? |
| 15:58.29 | mysticsilent | How can i install my windows mce ir remote control? i tried reading the manual of lirc but i can't figure out how? |
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| 16:02.43 | wodar | sorry, me again, how long should be the release file be valid? |
| 16:02.55 | stew | wodar: they are valid for a week |
| 16:02.55 | c0nsense | Hello! i'm a newbie in linux, so i wanna know how can i block some commands on my computer, for example: the command w how to do it say message: Permission denied when some user NON ROOT use this |
| 16:03.29 | stew | c0nsense: chmod 700 /usr/bin/w |
| 16:03.37 | stew | c0nsense: see http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 16:04.05 | wodar | stew: thanks, the mirror for my proxy is outdated |
| 16:04.19 | wodar | stew: big thank you |
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| 16:07.36 | mysticsilent | can someone help me how to install my windows mce remote? |
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| 16:10.06 | ChibaPet | There's mention of Debian packages for it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBMC#XBMC_for_Linux |
| 16:10.33 | ChibaPet | I have no familiarity with the device, though. |
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| 16:13.05 | fvulcano | =P |
| 16:13.30 | mysticsilent | do i need to change my kernel to have support for this remote? |
| 16:14.25 | ChibaPet | I wouldn't think so - if there's a need for a module, I'd suspect the packages would install it for you. |
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| 16:14.32 | ChibaPet | But again, I don't know the device. |
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| 16:16.07 | mysticsilent | I installed xbmc from debian multimedia repository. I thought these remotes would be supported out of the box. |
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| 16:20.50 | wols_ | mysticsilent: what receiver is used at the PC? |
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| 16:21.31 | mysticsilent | Microsoft remote control and receiver 1.0a model 1040 |
| 16:21.54 | wols_ | mysticsilent: and this user connects how to the PC? usb? |
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| 16:22.33 | wols_ | if so, I'd google the USB ID and see how others connected it to linux |
| 16:22.34 | jhutchins_lt | Does Microsoft ship Linux drivers with it? |
| 16:22.45 | mysticsilent | jes it is usb |
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| 16:23.04 | madmax9 | hi |
| 16:23.12 | mysticsilent | i tried but i cannot find how to do it |
| 16:24.35 | madmax9 | i tested cruchbang linux, based on Debian + openbox. I found one problem => include some non free software ! |
| 16:24.49 | madmax9 | I discover the power of debian tool |
| 16:25.06 | madmax9 | and I wanna install Debian 6 (not a derivated) |
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| 16:25.30 | madmax9 | but I don't find an openbox iso of Debian :( |
| 16:25.49 | madmax9 | I absolutely doesn't wan't Gnome/Kde/Xfce |
| 16:25.58 | wols_ | then simply install debian and then install openbox? the base install of debian coms with no windowmanager or X |
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| 16:26.24 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 16:26.25 | Asem | hello i am having troubl using vsftp active mode i got "500 Illegal PORT command.ftp: bind: Address already in use " any help? |
| 16:26.27 | madmax9 | hi |
| 16:26.30 | madmax9 | xw |
| 16:26.33 | madmax9 | wols_: h |
| 16:26.38 | madmax9 | sorry. |
| 16:26.51 | madmax9 | wols_: is it possible to do that ? |
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| 16:27.01 | wols_ | if it weren't I wouldn't have suggested it |
| 16:27.25 | madmax9 | okay, i'm dumb :) |
| 16:27.33 | stew | madmax9: when you get to the end of the install, you get a buch of checkboxes for Standard, Desktop, Web Server, etc, don't check "Desktop" |
| 16:27.40 | keith4 | what was the name of that package that contained miscellaneous tools, including the tool that let you check which services needed to be restarted to load new library versions? |
| 16:27.45 | blackshirt | :d |
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| 16:28.06 | gypsymauro | I've a lenny machine and I want to install the squeeze version of cups, I created a preferences file for apt when I do apt-get install cups -t squeeze it wants to update a lot of libraries (like libc6), there is a way to know the preferences applied to choose packages? |
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| 16:28.25 | madmax9 | stew: okay i imagine what u said |
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| 16:28.43 | madmax9 | installing X is easy ? auto configuration ? |
| 16:29.00 | wols_ | gypsymauro: upgrade to squeeze. lenny is oldstable anyways. if you can't, check backports for a newer cups version |
| 16:29.03 | Strife89 | managed to install k3b with little difficulty; the desktop *used* to have an Internet connection, and apt was last updated two months ago. |
| 16:29.07 | stew | madmax9: yes: "aptitude install xorg openbox" |
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| 16:29.24 | gypsymauro | wols_: I can't upgrade |
| 16:29.27 | wols_ | madmax9: X always autoconfigures on every distro now. the results vary but that is a problem of X |
| 16:29.53 | wols_ | gypsymauro: then you must use a backport or do your own. you cannot simply install the squeeze debs |
| 16:29.54 | madmax9 | wols_: excepted with arch & co |
| 16:30.09 | Strife89 | So I used apt on the desktop, took the URLs it wanted, and had wget fetch them on my laptop. |
| 16:30.17 | madmax9 | bad experience with it |
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| 16:30.27 | wols_ | madmax9: all distros. X itself autoconfigures by default, on all distros |
| 16:30.58 | madmax9 | wols_: but when i installed X server is didn't work |
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| 16:31.09 | wols_ | madmax9: arch maybe chose to configure it but I doubt they removed the upstream X ability to autconfig |
| 16:31.14 | madmax9 | using their pkg tools |
| 16:31.52 | john_rambo | Hi, I want to install the mplayer plugin for FF ....tried aptitude search but cant locate it ......What is the name of the package ? |
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| 16:33.30 | madmax9 | thx all |
| 16:33.34 | madmax9 | go install debian :) |
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| 16:36.00 | ChibaPet | So! In this brave new Network Manager world, what's the sensible way for me to automatically execute a shell script to run a bunch of iptables rules? I used to have an "up" clause in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 16:37.22 | stew | ChibaPet: yes, that. except we'd typically recommend pre-up, not up |
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| 16:38.16 | ChibaPet | Where do I have it live in there? I thought up (and pre-up) were tied to a specific interface stanza, which doesn't exist there now, with Network Manager. |
| 16:39.48 | ChibaPet | Can I have a named stanza that doesn't actually configure the interface, leaving that for Network Manager, but that ties in my pre-up script? |
| 16:39.52 | stew | ChibaPet: yes, they are tied to an interface stanza. if you are using netowrk manager, you could run it from an init script I suppose |
| 16:40.04 | ChibaPet | hm |
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| 16:49.58 | delimotion | into openbox : tint2 is better than pypanel ? |
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| 16:57.15 | ChibaPet | random note, /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown has the clues I needed |
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| 16:58.49 | greycat | What's the bot invocation to look up what kernel is required to support a device with ID 8086:3b25 |
| 16:59.03 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:3b25 |
| 16:59.04 | judd | [8086:3b25] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset SATA RAID Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ahci' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b25 |
| 16:59.29 | greycat | mmm... thanks, I think. |
| 16:59.35 | rgr | Any advice on generating ones own SSL certificates for debian servers running apache? They're not exactly cheap if you go the commercial route. Is it inadvisable to create your own? |
| 16:59.59 | greycat | eesh, kmuto says 2.6.27- |
| 17:00.24 | stew | rgr: do you control the web browsers as well? |
| 17:00.29 | valdyn | rgr: you can use cacert.org |
| 17:00.29 | jordanm | rgr: thats fine, as long as your user-base doesn't mind accepting an cert signed by an "untrusted" CA |
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| 17:00.59 | rgr | stew: whats that supposed to mean? |
| 17:01.11 | valdyn | rgr: problem is that standard browsers do not trust this one by default |
| 17:01.17 | rgr | I see |
| 17:01.29 | chrissbx | I'm trying to run Debian Live on an Acer Aspire One D255E, but it always crashes (freezes) after some time. Googling shows up wifi as a possible culprit, how can I disable wifi in Debian Live? |
| 17:01.38 | valdyn | rgr: even though theyre probably just as trustworthy as verisign |
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| 17:02.14 | stew | rgr: if you create your own cert, web-browsers won't trust the cert by default |
| 17:02.36 | stew | rgr: if you control the machines that are going to be browsing to your site, you can distribute your CA to them so that they will |
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| 17:03.01 | rgr | ok. thanks for the info. A good springboard for googling more. |
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| 17:07.33 | greycat | hmm, kmuto has a lenny-custom with 2.6.28. That sounds way more promising than trying to make my own custom install with 2.6.27 .... |
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| 17:11.20 | sagdfg | hi all, i need to allow the user www-data to mount a samba share that i have on a windows machine, how can do that? thanks |
| 17:12.05 | sagdfg | what i try to do i mount that samba from a web page using php on apache |
| 17:13.11 | jordanm | greycat: why .27? |
| 17:13.28 | greycat | because that is what kmuto.jp says is the smallest version that will support this SATA controller |
| 17:13.30 | sagdfg | what i tried is sudo mount -o nosuid,uid=33,gid=33 //192.168.1.10/share , uid is from id www-data |
| 17:13.45 | sagdfg | and it works if i run it like a normal user or root , but not from apache php |
| 17:13.53 | greycat | I don't know which kernel version introduced the errors that break the hell out of our SCSI RAID cabinets, but they break in squeeze's kernels for sure.... |
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| 17:14.08 | afxx_ | sagdfg: why you need to mount it from there? |
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| 17:14.38 | sagdfg | i also have this in fstab //192.168.1.10/share /var/www/share/ smbfs noauto,username=www-data,credentials=/etc/samba/.credentials,uid=33,gid=33,user 0 0 |
| 17:14.44 | afxx_ | cant you just use the mounted dir |
| 17:14.49 | sagdfg | yes i can |
| 17:15.12 | sagdfg | but i wan't my windows buddies to mount their windows share using a nice web page, and not a plink batch file |
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| 17:15.51 | greycat | sagdfg: I'm confused... are you saying you want to be able to dynamically (on demand) mount and unmount multiple different Windows shares? |
| 17:15.57 | sagdfg | yes |
| 17:17.10 | sagdfg | i have a debian with apache server and php, and i mount in /var/www/users/"username" shares from local area windows machines, so they can run their stuff on my apache |
| 17:18.01 | greycat | maybe they should be uploading their web sites to your server like everyone else in the world does it |
| 17:18.07 | sagdfg | but now i need to manually ssh into the linux box and mount the windows share, and i wanted a nice php page in /var/www so they can each mount their share |
| 17:18.15 | sagdfg | right |
| 17:18.32 | sagdfg | so for each new echo another upload? |
| 17:18.40 | afxx_ | im not sure how you can mount win share through web :) |
| 17:18.41 | sagdfg | they don't want a local apache on their windows machine |
| 17:18.43 | greycat | that's the traditional model, anyway |
| 17:18.52 | sagdfg | it a LAN |
| 17:18.59 | sagdfg | it's* |
| 17:19.04 | afxx_ | ah ok sorry |
| 17:19.41 | sagdfg | and it works, but like i said i need to run a batch file i have on the desktop of the windows machine, with a plink.exe command that ssh'es into the linux box and runs the mount command of their share |
| 17:20.09 | sagdfg | and i wanted the user to go to http://192.168.1.2/mount.php and click a button to mount their share |
| 17:20.23 | jordanm | sounds like a broken design |
| 17:20.30 | sagdfg | nah |
| 17:20.36 | sagdfg | works pretty good |
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| 17:20.46 | jordanm | if you are storing data on the clients, it's a broken design |
| 17:21.05 | sagdfg | no i have a subversion server on my debian machine where they upload their finished stuff |
| 17:21.23 | greycat | isn't there a tool somewhere to replicate a user's web site from their personal Windows machine to a Linux web server? you'd think that would be very common. |
| 17:21.30 | sagdfg | but until the stuff is done they need to try the stuff, and since they don't have a local webserver they use the share |
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| 17:22.09 | jordanm | greycat: for most its called "ftp" :\ |
| 17:22.13 | jelly | most web page editors have a way to upload, usually at least via ftp |
| 17:22.21 | greycat | yeah, I meant something that doesn't suck quite so much |
| 17:22.26 | jelly | it works |
| 17:22.34 | greycat | I know linux -> ftp can be done with weex. not sure about windows -> linux. |
| 17:22.55 | jordanm | its better than then the "file managers" provided by WHCPs like cpanel and plesk |
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| 17:24.16 | sagdfg | well why do i need to upload if i can just save my changes in my editor on the windows machine and just reload the page and since apache is serving the php's from the samba share it's right away |
| 17:24.24 | sagdfg | so no need to ftp |
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| 17:24.43 | sagdfg | anyway, how can i make a user like www-data do this mount? |
| 17:25.09 | greycat | sagdfg: another model would be to host the directories on the linux server and serve them to the Windows clients with samba. |
| 17:25.25 | greycat | Then people can map their Linux data onto their Windows clients and edit it there. |
| 17:25.42 | sagdfg | yeah i did it in reverse :P |
| 17:26.35 | sagdfg | and that is because they use eclipse to work, and eclipse with subclipse to retrieve the data from the subversion server in a local workspace on their windows machine |
| 17:26.48 | sagdfg | eclipse can't work on remote fs |
| 17:27.09 | sagdfg | at least it's not reliable to treat a remote folder as a local one for eclipse |
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| 17:27.13 | sagdfg | i heard that a lot |
| 17:27.15 | sagdfg | well |
| 17:27.19 | sagdfg | can php do it? |
| 17:27.41 | sagdfg | i'm sure it can :) i just don't want to give www-data full permissions in sudo file |
| 17:28.24 | jordanm | you can always use suexec, but would be executing the php using fcgi/cgi instead of mod_php |
| 17:28.36 | sagdfg | nope, has to be mod_php |
| 17:28.43 | jordanm | why is that? |
| 17:28.51 | sagdfg | because it's allready set up :) |
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| 17:28.58 | sagdfg | come on, how does webmin work |
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| 17:29.06 | sombra | !lee 1100 |
| 17:29.07 | sagdfg | it's all webbased linux admin |
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| 17:29.30 | sagdfg | and they do in webmin tons of stuff, i just need to mount a silly share |
| 17:29.37 | mroe | #Debian is my last resort before I sit down and start coding myself. I googled to my hearts content and I haven't found a tool that will dynamically report a network map. I want the ability to keep accurate descriptions of port assignments and it would be great to be able to pull realt-time usage stats from ports on an as-needed basis |
| 17:29.54 | stew | !webmin |
| 17:29.54 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 17:30.10 | sagdfg | yeah |
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| 17:30.32 | jordanm | sagdfg: webmin packages its own webserver |
| 17:30.55 | ansgar | sagdfg: What about using rsync to push the files from the Windows host to the server? |
| 17:30.56 | sagdfg | /192.168.1.10/share /var/www/share/ smbfs noauto,username=www-data,credentials=/etc/samba/.credentials,uid=33,gid=33,user 0 0 |
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| 17:31.01 | jordanm | sagdfg: http://www.webmin.com/apache.html |
| 17:31.04 | sagdfg | this is what i have in fstab |
| 17:31.15 | jordanm | looks like to use it via apache, you have to setuid all the php scripts |
| 17:31.17 | sagdfg | i tried adding the users option but no luck |
| 17:31.32 | sagdfg | how |
| 17:31.42 | sagdfg | i need this for just one script in /var/www |
| 17:31.51 | sagdfg | that would mount, and umount the share |
| 17:31.51 | jordanm | don't setuid your php scripts... |
| 17:31.55 | sagdfg | one |
| 17:31.57 | sagdfg | :) |
| 17:31.59 | thelastninja | mroe: if netstat does not help you then please explain more |
| 17:32.06 | jordanm | one is enough to own your whole box |
| 17:32.15 | sagdfg | i don't care, we're friends |
| 17:32.16 | sagdfg | :) |
| 17:32.28 | stew | setuid on a script? what's the point? |
| 17:32.32 | statix | Has anyone else noticed that xfs and jfs kernel modules are loaded for no apparent reason since upgrading to squeeze? |
| 17:32.33 | ansgar | Not that setuid even works for scripts... |
| 17:32.36 | stew | its not like it would make the script run as a different user |
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| 17:32.41 | jargon- | how do i run a .py as user www-data from cron? |
| 17:32.57 | karlpinc_ | jargon-: man 5 crontab |
| 17:33.09 | mroe | thelastninja: I have a network of 20 switches. I want to be able to quickly find what is connected to a specific port, is the port active, if so, show me the real-time counters of that port |
| 17:33.14 | jordanm | jargon-: /etc/crontab has a "user" field |
| 17:33.39 | mroe | thelastninja: I want to be able to see a basic layer 2 map of said network |
| 17:33.51 | jordanm | mroe: doesn't cisco have management utilities for that sort of thing? |
| 17:33.52 | mroe | and I want all of this to be easily maintainable |
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| 17:34.16 | mroe | if they do it would be windows only |
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| 17:34.28 | mroe | and probably only support cisco switches |
| 17:34.37 | jordanm | mroe: or web via an appliance |
| 17:34.42 | jordanm | mroe: what kind of switches? |
| 17:34.45 | mroe | a mixture |
| 17:34.48 | mroe | all managed |
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| 17:35.11 | jordanm | mroe: that doesn't help your cause |
| 17:35.19 | mroe | with SNMP what I would should be feasible |
| 17:35.25 | mroe | s/would/want/ |
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| 17:35.57 | jordanm | but you have a network or crap that will have different interfaces |
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| 17:36.04 | mroe | all of the switches support the standard MIB |
| 17:36.10 | sagdfg | so any solution? |
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| 17:36.47 | snan | Iâm using Debian 6.0.1; lately Iâve been having a weird problem when I try to compile many different programs, such as wine or libgcrypt, that there are conflicting types when including /usr/include/string.h. Any idea on what to do? |
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| 17:37.32 | jordanm | snan: apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev |
| 17:37.48 | jordanm | and gcc |
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| 17:38.27 | snan | http://ellen.idiomdrottning.org/policy.txt http://ellen.idiomdrottning.org/wine.txt |
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| 17:38.52 | rhenani | Hello guys, I would like to know if there are programs like microsoft office to install them in debian |
| 17:39.10 | rhenani | Word, Power Point, Exel |
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| 17:39.32 | jordanm | rhenani: openoffice.org |
| 17:39.32 | mroe | libreoffice |
| 17:39.33 | thelastninja | mroe: opnet netmapper has solutions for windows and linux, but it is not opensource |
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| 17:39.46 | mroe | are they any good? |
| 17:40.05 | thelastninja | they are used in many institutes as I know |
| 17:40.40 | mroe | that doesn't necessarily mean anything... Outlook is used in many institutions |
| 17:41.07 | snan | mroe: there are many different alternatives. libreoffice and openoffice.org are probably the ones that are most similar. |
| 17:41.17 | thelastninja | no, I mean those places that are working or researching about networks |
| 17:41.24 | snan | mroe: if you donât like them there are others. I use gnumeric for some things |
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| 17:41.45 | mroe | snan: you are confusing conversation threads |
| 17:41.49 | snan | mroe: since they are free you can try them yourself |
| 17:42.02 | snan | mroe: thanks |
| 17:42.12 | thelastninja | I have to go... |
| 17:42.17 | mroe | I told rhenani to try libreoffice |
| 17:42.19 | snan | it was to rhenani |
| 17:42.22 | snan | yes |
| 17:42.26 | snan | irc |
| 17:42.29 | snan | is a thing |
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| 17:51.01 | splitbrain | hi, can someone explain why installing shorewall6 also installs shorewall? do I need to configure both? or just shorewall6? |
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| 17:52.42 | snan | splitbrain: shorewall6 is just the IPv6 support for shorewall |
| 17:52.52 | snan | splitbrain: it brings in the regular shorewall package too |
| 17:53.09 | snan | splitbrain: the plain shorewall is the only thing you need to configure |
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| 17:56.19 | splitbrain | snan, well a guy in #shorewall just explains I have to configure anything twice. once for ipv4 and once for ipv6. this is stupid (at least in my use case) |
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| 17:58.00 | snan | splitbrain: hmm, maybe. I only use shorewall for ipv4 at the moment |
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| 17:58.17 | stew | unfortunately iptables and ip6tables are completly separate |
| 17:59.22 | snan | hmm I just heard of 6wall maybe thatâs a better fit |
| 17:59.51 | snan | I donât know |
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| 18:03.33 | karlpinc_ | snan, splitbrain: I tend to prefer the approach used by ferm, but I don't know what that means for ipv4/6 integration. |
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| 18:04.09 | dclarke | strange questions : I have some files in a dir that have single quotes in them. If I try to list them .. no problem .. but to rename them I need to backslash escape the single quote. I'm trying to make a script that will search for all of these files with such names and then pass the filename through sed .. but sed gets real angry about single quotes. Is there some way to do echo "foo\'bar" | sed "s/\'/\\\'/g" ?? |
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| 18:07.01 | stew | dclarke: do you really want to use sed? or do you just want to rename them? |
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| 18:07.36 | dclarke | well ... to rename them I need to at least input the first parameter to mv like so : mv name1 name2 |
| 18:07.47 | stew | dclarke: rename "s/'/_/g" * |
| 18:07.58 | stew | dclarke: (if you want to replace ' with _) |
| 18:07.58 | dclarke | rename ? |
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| 18:08.02 | stew | yes |
| 18:08.12 | dclarke | NAME rename, renameat - change the name of a file |
| 18:08.15 | dclarke | SYNOPSIS #include <stdio.h> |
| 18:08.24 | dclarke | looks like a C function call |
| 18:08.24 | stew | dclarke: what? |
| 18:08.32 | stew | dclarke: its a perl script |
| 18:08.38 | snan | yeah but thereâs also a perl script called rename |
| 18:08.39 | dclarke | oh .. I never use perl |
| 18:08.45 | dclarke | okay .. |
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| 18:09.03 | dclarke | RENAME(1) Perl Programmers Reference Guide RENAME(1) |
| 18:09.05 | dclarke | ahhh ha |
| 18:09.15 | dclarke | interesting :-\ |
| 18:09.33 | dclarke | not exactly one of the XPG4 or POSIX spec typoe things .. but itwill work |
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| 18:09.57 | snan | dclarke: echo "foo'bar" | sed "s/'/x/" |
| 18:09.59 | snan | works just fine |
| 18:10.07 | snan | it's the \' that doesnât work with sed |
| 18:10.13 | snan | at least not in the regex part |
| 18:10.17 | dclarke | yep .. it does .. I wonder what I was doing wrong ... |
| 18:10.43 | snan | echo "foo'bar"|sed "s/'/\\\'/ # this will work too if you want to escape it in the output |
| 18:11.10 | dclarke | I was doing ls -1dbp /resource/restore_0/Production/\ schematics/* | sed "s/\ /\\\ /g;s/\&/\\\&/g;s/(/\\(/g;s/\'/\\\'/g" |
| 18:11.15 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:11.18 | snan | I guess the problem was that you wrote sed "s/\'/something/", because \' has a special meaning in sed |
| 18:11.23 | frostschutz | dclarke: never use ls for that |
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| 18:11.42 | dclarke | these users .. put spaces, dashes, the "&" char and single quotes in their filenames .. a real pain |
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| 18:12.25 | dclarke | frostschutz: I was running find . -type f | awk 'voodoo here' to create ascript to rename these nasty buggers |
| 18:12.41 | snan | dclarke: change it to sed "s/\ /\\\ /g;s/\&/\\\&/g;s/(/\\(/g;s/'/\\\'/g" # (note the omitted backslash) |
| 18:12.57 | dclarke | hrmmm ... |
| 18:13.17 | dclarke | snan .. lemme give that a go |
| 18:13.27 | stew | rename 's/[^[:alnum:]]/_/g' * ? |
| 18:13.28 | frostschutz | dclarke: normally such files don't need to be renamed. any proper app should be able to handle these filenames. crappy bash scripts won't... |
| 18:13.33 | dclarke | thinks it is nice the hear from other unix/linux users |
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| 18:14.11 | dclarke | frostschutz: well ... I wasn't going to think my way through it .. I was just gonna deal with the dumb task |
| 18:15.04 | frostschutz | just saying that your problem might be something else entirely |
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| 18:16.05 | snan | anyone have an idea on how to deal with compilation errors like this â http://ellen.idiomdrottning.org/wine.txt ? it has happened with many other compilations, not just wine. here are my versions of libc6 and gcc â http://ellen.idiomdrottning.org/policy.txt |
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| 18:16.45 | snan | I agree with frostschutz about not needing to rename files generally |
| 18:16.59 | dclarke | snan : I agree also .. but .. |
| 18:17.15 | dclarke | these users put leading spaces in the filenames .. trailing tabs |
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| 18:17.51 | dclarke | oh well .. off I go to deal with Mac users and AppleTalk .. what fun |
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| 18:18.00 | stew | snan: /usr/local/include/io.h:7:18: error: misc.h: No such file or directory ; so you are compiling against your locally installed headers in /usr/local, not the debian shipped headers from libc6-dev |
| 18:18.01 | dclarke | wanders back to the cubicle of joy |
| 18:18.25 | snan | ah! |
| 18:18.26 | stew | snan: also, we'd strongly discourage you from using "stable" in sources.list, use "squeeze" instead |
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| 18:18.53 | snan | stew: I put stable so that I would get the next stable when it comes around |
| 18:19.07 | snan | but that's dangerous because I might miss a dist-upgrade? or some other reason |
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| 18:19.47 | stew | snan: its dangerous, becuase moving succesfully from one stable to the next usually requires a specific procedure to be followed which is more complicated than just "dist-upgrade" |
| 18:20.05 | stew | snan: (see chapter 4 of the release notes from squeeze or lenny to get an idea of the recommended procedure) |
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| 18:20.22 | snan | stew: Iâll change that right now, thanks |
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| 18:27.53 | snan | stew: thank you so much for that local includes thing! It made all the difference |
| 18:29.26 | karlpinc_ | I have a lenny box I want to upgrade to squeeze. The problem is that I've only got access to the box via openvpn. Maybe I could openvpn to the box, run screen, ssh out from the box tunneling ssh and then use the tunnel to ssh back in? Anybody have a clue? |
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| 18:31.24 | ChibaPet | Seems dangerous to try it without a console. |
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| 18:31.49 | ChibaPet | Depending on the box (VPN? real hardware?) you could get it into a bad state and have no access. |
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| 18:32.33 | Iridos | karlpinc_, you've got to reboot in between upgrade and full-upgrade because of the udev thing |
| 18:32.40 | karlpinc_ | ChibaPet: Yes. Push comes to shove I can have the box moved to where I can have access to. |
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| 18:33.10 | winmutt | grr on snmp mibs |
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| 18:33.27 | ChibaPet | If you understand the risks and can deal with the box not running for a time, you can probably make it happen. |
| 18:33.28 | winmutt | so i have installed snmp-mibs-downloader yet the standard mibs are still not being loaded |
| 18:33.31 | karlpinc_ | Iridos: Yup. But I figure I can repeat the trick -- openvpn will probably come up after that reboot because apt will not be in the middle of updating things. |
| 18:33.31 | winmutt | how to fix? |
| 18:33.35 | ChibaPet | Update kernel and udev, reboot, update the rest. |
| 18:33.35 | greycat | Hah! I'm so smart! I remembered to install openssh-server before leaving the server room this time! |
| 18:33.39 | ChibaPet | Let me find a reference. |
| 18:33.51 | themill | dpkg, congratulate greycat |
| 18:33.51 | dpkg | Good show greycat, you did it! |
| 18:33.54 | Iridos | karlpinc_, that's what I wonder... |
| 18:33.56 | karlpinc_ | winmutt: IIRC there's something in the readme.debian. |
| 18:34.02 | karlpinc_ | !tell winmutt about readme.debian |
| 18:34.44 | karlpinc_ | Iridos: I guess I'm about to find out. |
| 18:34.51 | karlpinc_ | winmutt: I could be wrong. |
| 18:34.59 | winmutt | karl: i looked at the packaged cointents |
| 18:35.13 | winmutt | god forbind they name the binary the same as the package name |
| 18:35.14 | karlpinc_ | ChibaPet: No need, it's in the release notes. |
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| 18:35.34 | ChibaPet | Alright. Good luck then. It may go well. :) |
| 18:36.04 | winmutt | of course i run the downlaoder and it doesnt actually fix the probvlem |
| 18:36.22 | vikramverma | Where does OpenSSH write logs to? I can't find anything in /var/log/ |
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| 18:36.38 | stew | vikramverma: /var/log/auth.log via syslog in the typical configuration |
| 18:36.55 | vikramverma | Thanks stew. |
| 18:37.04 | winmutt | karl: no such file :( |
| 18:37.09 | Iridos | karlpinc_, I also got a lenny box that is a couple of thousand miles away... on the plus side, i can just ssh in, on the minus side, I doubt people there could do too much (and they'll probably retire the machine i.e. by installing windows on it because of that anyway)... so I guess I'll leave that at lenny until someone remembers about it |
| 18:37.21 | vikramverma | Weird. |
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| 18:40.11 | jason404 | does anybody know why terminal thorugh SSH ANSI colours are appearing for directories on my user account, but not on root, even though the terminal emulator settings appear to be the same>? |
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| 18:41.54 | nsadmin | probably root doesn't have the color aliases for ls |
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| 18:42.34 | nsadmin | when you say "directories" you must be using some form of ls |
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| 18:43.29 | stew | jason404: do they show up when you run "ls --color=always" ? |
| 18:43.33 | magic_mage | hey does debian play well with most SAN? |
| 18:44.15 | jason404 | stew: yes, they do |
| 18:44.27 | jason404 | just tried |
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| 18:45.08 | jason404 | stew: so it is a config setting? |
| 18:46.05 | magic_mage | color? |
| 18:46.14 | magic_mage | unalia ls |
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| 18:46.22 | magic_mage | unalias ls |
| 18:46.48 | magic_mage | its alis setting |
| 18:46.52 | greycat | You shouldn't be playing around as root, and having pretty colors in your ls output counts as playing around. |
| 18:47.02 | jason404 | ic |
| 18:47.31 | jason404 | fair enough. i was just wondering why there was a difference |
| 18:47.35 | soapie | no fun allowed |
| 18:47.47 | jason404 | ;( |
| 18:47.59 | greycat | like nsadmin said, root's .bashrc probably does not define the ls alias that turns on the colors |
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| 18:48.09 | magic_mage | and i said |
| 18:48.11 | magic_mage | :) |
| 18:48.43 | magic_mage | greycat have u forsaken bash for lua yet? |
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| 18:48.49 | greycat | well, nsadmin said it first, so I gave him the credit |
| 18:48.53 | greycat | and... no. |
| 18:49.30 | nsadmin | is lua also a posix shell? |
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| 18:49.43 | magic_mage | kinda |
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| 18:50.23 | jason404 | I'm trying to learn iPython, but the book I have is a bit of a headfuck |
| 18:50.40 | nsadmin | head first python? |
| 18:50.48 | magic_mage | its funny to me how 1400 jpg in a dir willtake winscp forever, but if I tar them, winscp moes the tar in few seconds |
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| 18:51.01 | magic_mage | and tar and untar are not long |
| 18:51.17 | magic_mage | whch python book? |
| 18:51.31 | jason404 | nsadmin: no, it's about ipython. Python for Linux and UNIX administration, O'Reilly |
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| 18:51.41 | magic_mage | python is suspect because it it adertized as oo, and oo fails hard if not smalltalk |
| 18:52.02 | jason404 | ipython is an enhanced interactive shell |
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| 18:52.05 | magic_mage | lua looks kinda cool, and I love tcl |
| 18:52.13 | nsadmin | that probably won't be so good for actually learning python |
| 18:52.15 | themill | checks what channel he's in |
| 18:52.15 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: color ls is a standard feature on a lot of bash shells, it's hardly something to get paranoid about. |
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| 18:52.41 | nsadmin | magic_mage, played with xotcl yet? |
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| 18:52.49 | magic_mage | nop |
| 18:52.54 | magic_mage | intersting? |
| 18:52.57 | greycat | it is not a feature of "bash" at all. it is a feature that you can enable in GNU ls by passing various options. |
| 18:53.03 | jason404 | nsadmin: I also have the head first book. much easier to read, but slow going |
| 18:53.13 | jhutchins_lt | greycat:In GNU? |
| 18:53.18 | jmd | Isn't it ironic that when one looks at the External Health Status of any debian package all one sees is "Db error". |
| 18:53.22 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, gnu ls. |
| 18:53.24 | greycat | GNU ls. Which is not part of bash. |
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| 18:53.43 | jhutchins_lt | Colored prompts are common too, often used to highlight root prompts. |
| 18:53.49 | Iridos | ... but part of emacs |
| 18:53.51 | themill | jmd: quite... it's being worked on. |
| 18:54.00 | greycat | yeah, well, what *isn't* part of emacs... |
| 18:54.05 | magic_mage | whatever happened tognu sql? |
| 18:54.14 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Funny, I don't have emacs installed. |
| 18:54.28 | poisonbit | the universal operative system that walks to x86 and x86_64 rolling" thanks to downsteam |
| 18:54.32 | jmd | greycat, the bash builtin ls can be access as "echo *" |
| 18:54.34 | poisonbit | rolling colors |
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| 18:54.48 | jhutchins_lt | I do have coreutils though. |
| 18:55.00 | greycat | jmd: you mean "you can get the names of files by using echo *" which is true, but is not a "builtin ls" and is not colorized which was kinda the whole point. |
| 18:55.17 | stew | please try to educate greycat about bash some more :) |
| 18:55.23 | magic_mage | lol |
| 18:55.26 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 18:55.38 | magic_mage | greycat is like a 45th level bash magic user |
| 18:55.39 | Iridos | I was actually silently waiting for that exactly |
| 18:55.55 | magic_mage | he has henchmen |
| 18:55.58 | magic_mage | and a manse |
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| 18:57.12 | soapie | but does he have a bowstaff |
| 18:57.16 | jmd | Are there any statistics available which tell us the interval between upstream releases and debian package uploads? |
| 18:57.35 | Iridos | should be possible to write a function called "ls", though that loops over the filenames and uses tests to colorize them |
| 18:58.16 | greycat | you could do that... but given that this is #debian, why not just use GNU ls's colorizing featuers? |
| 18:58.23 | stew | jmd: have a look at dehs |
| 18:58.57 | jmd | stew, I thought we just established that dehs does nothing but deliver error messages? |
| 18:59.00 | greycat | it's a whole lot easier to write alis ls='ls --color=auto' than to reimplement ls using only bash builtins |
| 18:59.07 | Iridos | "too easy"? |
| 18:59.09 | greycat | alias* |
| 18:59.30 | stew | jmd: its the only thing I know about in debian that is periodically checking for out of date debian packages |
| 18:59.44 | Iridos | "why spend a week in the library when you can spend half a year in the lab instead" |
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| 18:59.44 | greycat | (in fact the -l flag would be impossible to implement using bash builtins) |
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| 18:59.48 | stew | jmd: if it isn't doing what you want, the answer is probalby "no" |
| 19:00.15 | jmd | What is it supposed to do? |
| 19:00.41 | stew | jmd: periodically check watch files, augment DDPO/PTS, and generate statistics |
| 19:00.57 | jmd | Right. How do I access those statistics? |
| 19:01.09 | themill | jmd, stew: dehs is yet to recover from the alioth move |
| 19:01.10 | magic_mage | when will vmstat default to megs, and have columns that dont shit on large memory? and stay aligned? dstat in python is kinda awesome replacement, greycat should re implement dstat in bash |
| 19:01.15 | magic_mage | greystat |
| 19:01.23 | magic_mage | there even cool name |
| 19:01.43 | nsadmin | ohh, that's why it took so long... alioth was actually moved |
| 19:01.50 | jmd | magic_mage, bash should be reimplemented in guile. |
| 19:02.06 | magic_mage | well guile should subsume all bash commands |
| 19:02.11 | magic_mage | tcl shoulda long ago |
| 19:02.21 | magic_mage | removing redundant and crappy one |
| 19:02.22 | jmd | tcl should die. |
| 19:02.34 | jmd | Oh sorry. It did already. |
| 19:02.35 | Iridos | ok... how about slowly getting back on-topic again or moving to #debian-offtopic? |
| 19:02.39 | magic_mage | no java should die |
| 19:02.40 | greycat | Tcl never really caught on for some reason. |
| 19:02.51 | greycat | !start a programming language war |
| 19:02.54 | magic_mage | www.aol.com ran on it |
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| 19:03.12 | greycat | !start a language war |
| 19:03.12 | dpkg | BASIC is more efficient than C |
| 19:03.12 | magic_mage | 28,000 hit a second at heyday |
| 19:03.15 | greycat | There, that one. |
| 19:03.19 | nsadmin | and yet, tcl lives, is very strong, does not crash, and is very feature/version stable |
| 19:04.07 | magic_mage | I was trying to use bash on solaris to remove 50,000 files |
| 19:04.17 | jmd | But it's such a weak, awkward language to use and BIG. |
| 19:04.17 | magic_mage | redid my loop in tcl returned in few seconds |
| 19:04.21 | magic_mage | bash loop had hung |
| 19:04.23 | themill | magic_mage: maybe take this to #bash |
| 19:04.27 | stew | or #solaris |
| 19:04.30 | magic_mage | ok done |
| 19:04.50 | magic_mage | now about debian ans san hba? supported well? |
| 19:04.54 | nsadmin | jmd, yeah, it can be weird |
| 19:05.51 | jelly-home | magic_mage: the default configurations for FC HBAs are not optimal, and not really well tested at all (compared to, say, RHEL4-5) |
| 19:05.54 | magic_mage | jmd java is |
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| 19:06.06 | stew | or just pretend that this has gone far enough that someone has already mentioned ML and we can call a godwin corallary on this programming language discussion |
| 19:06.16 | magic_mage | lol |
| 19:06.48 | magic_mage | software raid makes me happy |
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| 19:07.26 | jelly-home | magic_mage: let's just say you may experience a 2-3 minute io stall after issuing LIP |
| 19:07.33 | greycat | Just for the record, a naive loop that calls rm(1) 50,000 times is going to be slow no matter what language you write it in. |
| 19:08.07 | jhutchins_lt | soapie: That varies by package and by release. |
| 19:08.11 | nsadmin | calling any external command is going to be expensive |
| 19:08.22 | jelly-home | greycat: oh come on, bash really is fucking slow compared to any decent interpreter if merely because it has no internal unlink() |
| 19:08.39 | greycat | You could still speed it up by not calling rm(1) one time for every. single. file. |
| 19:09.01 | magic_mage | I wonder if tcl on solaris uses soem kinda lower level thing, with its 'file delete' |
| 19:09.09 | greycat | magic_mage: yes. it does. |
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| 19:09.33 | magic_mage | ok so how call rm, not 1 tme per file? |
| 19:09.39 | greycat | unless the implementation is completely broken, it should be calling unlink(2) directly |
| 19:09.50 | greycat | magic_mage: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/095 |
| 19:10.03 | magic_mage | i love wooledge site |
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| 19:10.19 | magic_mage | I swear it taught me more about bash than anything |
| 19:10.29 | jelly-home | that wooledge guy seems to know a bit about that bash thing |
| 19:10.34 | greycat | heehee |
| 19:10.38 | streuner_ | sure |
| 19:10.41 | jelly-home | stays quiet |
| 19:10.43 | stew | aw and there is a cute grey cat icon as favico |
| 19:11.05 | jelly-home | wonder if that means anything |
| 19:11.44 | nsadmin | magic_mage, the info pages on bash will go even further |
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| 19:13.10 | magic_mage | switches to firefox to see the grey cat |
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| 19:13.23 | magic_mage | ie not has it |
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| 19:13.46 | greycat | favicons are really weird. they get cached strangely. |
| 19:13.58 | streuner_ | lol, that icon is funny :-) |
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| 19:14.14 | qwd | Any reason not to use Iceweasel from http://mozilla.debian.net ? Would it be better to wait for it to come to backports? |
| 19:14.25 | magic_mage | so i shoulda used find directly? |
| 19:14.28 | jelly-home | Chrome = no favicon |
| 19:14.33 | magic_mage | that sounds like it calls rm N times |
| 19:14.42 | magic_mage | or I shoulda used bash array |
| 19:15.00 | magic_mage | seamonkey is nice |
| 19:15.11 | stew | magic_mage: find | xargs rm calls rm a minimal number of times (as few times as possible for the command line length limit) |
| 19:15.13 | greycat | find -exec + or find -print0 | xargs -0 (either one) will call rm N/M times where M is however many filenames it can cram into a single program call |
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| 19:15.38 | jelly-home | oh, the icon is hiding in the tab |
| 19:15.40 | magic_mage | oh thats the magicof that + |
| 19:15.42 | magic_mage | woa |
| 19:15.44 | magic_mage | sneeky |
| 19:15.55 | poisonbit | some people will parallel xargs, having a single disk header |
| 19:15.56 | jelly-home | GNU find has a number of niceties lie that |
| 19:16.01 | jelly-home | like* |
| 19:16.03 | greycat | magic_mage: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
| 19:16.07 | stew | find also has -delete |
| 19:16.18 | greycat | GNU find anyway. |
| 19:16.22 | stew | yeah |
| 19:16.37 | jelly-home | accept no substitutes... wait |
| 19:16.38 | streuner_ | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Allisvanity.jpg/393px-Allisvanity.jpg |
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| 19:16.53 | poisonbit | -delete will call one rm per match ? i.e. different matchs in different dirs ? |
| 19:17.10 | stew | poisonbit: i assumed -delete wasn't calling rm at all |
| 19:17.15 | greycat | poisonbit: it calls rm 0 times per match. |
| 19:17.17 | poisonbit | mmm it doesn't call rm, will call unlink |
| 19:17.21 | poisonbit | yea sorry |
| 19:17.28 | jelly-home | poisonbit: strace it and see! |
| 19:17.44 | poisonbit | mmm will strace my pizza better :) |
| 19:18.15 | magic_mage | ok so optimalsolution is find with delte? |
| 19:18.17 | nsadmin | pizza batter? |
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| 19:18.37 | Iridos | optimal solution is not to create 50000 files that you then stop having a need for |
| 19:18.46 | greycat | magic_mage: "optimal" depends on too many factors to give such a simple answer |
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| 19:19.10 | streuner_ | well, in case of delete 50.000 files, isnt it just better to reinstall? :-) |
| 19:19.12 | greycat | at some point, it becomes faster to umount, newfs, mount rather than deleting files. |
| 19:19.32 | streuner_ | that sounds to a joke to me |
| 19:19.35 | greycat | It isn't. |
| 19:19.58 | Iridos | difficult though, if you also want to keep files |
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| 19:20.05 | greycat | true. |
| 19:20.05 | magic_mage | solaris |
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| 19:20.06 | magic_mage | lol |
| 19:20.12 | greycat | (although you can move them aside and then put them back) |
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| 19:21.05 | scoobert1on | random question prompted by something someone just said. does boot/loading times slow down as your hard drive fills up? |
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| 19:21.36 | Iridos | I suppose you don't want a random answer? |
| 19:21.44 | greycat | scoobert1on: only if the files used during boot become fragmented for some reason |
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| 19:22.21 | greycat | or, if you hit the "haven't fscked in 180 days, forcing an fsck" thing. |
| 19:22.24 | magic_mage | how about doing find with -delete with the +? |
| 19:22.36 | ompaul | scoobert1on: all else being equal a human shouldn't notice and lots a fingers at greycat's comments |
| 19:22.41 | magic_mage | which would be fastest delete? |
| 19:22.42 | greycat | magic_mage: if you use -delete then you don't *need* -exec at all, neither with \; nor with + |
| 19:22.55 | magic_mage | oh |
| 19:23.00 | magic_mage | well ok then |
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| 19:23.04 | greycat | -delete will of course be faster than calling rm(1) to do the unlink for you |
| 19:23.12 | magic_mage | but wil doing that N times be faster than the rm + thing |
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| 19:23.22 | magic_mage | ok |
| 19:23.27 | greycat | -delete will *always* be the fastest way, if your find has -delete |
| 19:23.38 | magic_mage | oh shit its solaris |
| 19:23.43 | magic_mage | not sure if gnu find was there |
| 19:23.46 | greycat | Right. It's not a POSIX option. |
| 19:23.51 | magic_mage | but coulda goten it with solaris pacakge no doubt |
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| 19:23.58 | magic_mage | solaris such a hunk ofshit |
| 19:24.03 | magic_mage | makeife hard |
| 19:24.08 | MiniMons | Sorry but is security.debian.org down? |
| 19:24.10 | magic_mage | postgresql>oracle |
| 19:24.16 | magic_mage | down with oracle! |
| 19:24.21 | magic_mage | froths at mouth |
| 19:24.28 | streuner_ | MiniMons: just use another mirror then |
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| 19:24.37 | stew | MiniMons: no, what ip address are you having trouble with? |
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| 19:24.44 | streuner_ | MiniMons: s.d.o is a roundrobin |
| 19:24.54 | stew | MiniMons: (security.debian.org is 3 different machines in different locations) |
| 19:25.25 | MiniMons | stew: 212.211.132.32 |
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| 19:25.34 | stew | MiniMons: that's not security.debian.org |
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| 19:25.59 | MiniMons | streuner: Where do I RTFM on how to use another mirror? :-S |
| 19:26.11 | stew | MiniMons: and that host isn't down |
| 19:26.24 | streuner_ | MiniMons: just ping s.d.o and use a working host |
| 19:26.32 | streuner_ | MiniMons: use* |
| 19:26.35 | stew | MiniMons: use it for what? what are you doing? are you getting an error? if so, what? |
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| 19:26.49 | MiniMons | stew: "Could not connect to security.debian.org:80 (82.195.75.105). - connect (111: Connection refused)" |
| 19:26.57 | streuner_ | MiniMons: yes. please tell use the whole error and sources.list in a pastebin |
| 19:27.01 | MiniMons | stew: On apt-get update |
| 19:27.03 | ompaul | MiniMons: have a look at this http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 19:27.14 | stew | 82.195.75.105 is also not security.debian.org |
| 19:27.49 | Iridos | how do you see what IPs belong to it? host gives me 3 ipv6 addresses and one ipv4 one |
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| 19:27.52 | stew | oh, is s.d.o really on geodns now? |
| 19:28.23 | ompaul | DEBIAN-DA-NET-01 82.195.75.64 - 82.195.75.127 |
| 19:28.40 | stew | ah, it is geodns, I'm sorry |
| 19:29.54 | stew | MiniMons: however 212.211.132.32 is listening on port 80, so if you get connection refused, you have a firewall that is preventing you |
| 19:31.04 | nsadmin | so that's a quarter of a classC |
| 19:31.04 | ompaul | or squid or something |
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| 19:31.27 | MiniMons | stew: Now I get through too! Did'nt change anything. But ok! (Hate lamers like me!) ;-) |
| 19:31.41 | stew | 82.x.x.x is class A, not that anyone pays attention to that any more |
| 19:32.13 | magic_mage | its the reptiles |
| 19:32.18 | magic_mage | they toy with us apes |
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| 19:33.37 | nsadmin | well the number of IPs in that block (64) is a quarter of the number of IPs in a classc |
| 19:34.50 | stew | class C just means "when you write the first octet of the address in binary, you have two leading 1s before the first 0" |
| 19:35.17 | nsadmin | doesn t it also imply /24? |
| 19:35.52 | stew | perhaps. it implies we are networking like it was 1992 |
| 19:36.03 | nsadmin | well historically speaking oc |
| 19:36.16 | stew | :) |
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| 20:03.10 | karlpinc_ | It seems that upgrading lenny->squeeze over an openvpn connection is going to work fine. (It appears not even to need the: run screen, ssh out and port forward a ssh tunnel, ssh in through the tunnel to do the upgrade trick.) |
| 20:04.02 | karlpinc_ | msg jelly-home (I'm pretty sure "be rid of" is a valid idiom.) |
| 20:04.15 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: why would you need to do that? |
| 20:04.18 | greycat | "be rid of" is acceptable but sounds a bit archaic |
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| 20:04.44 | statix | Haha |
| 20:04.57 | korhojoa | twobitsprite, some people just want to watch the world upgrade |
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| 20:05.20 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: Because the upgrade process a) restarts openvpn and b) could make it unavaialble/not working for a while, depending. Or so says the release notes. |
| 20:05.59 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: hmm... still seems like you should be able to just ssh in, run screen, run upgrade |
| 20:06.00 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: a) isn't a problem so long as the restart is "soon enough". But the only access to the box is via openvpn so.... |
| 20:06.26 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: It needs openvpn to punch out of it's little NATted/firewalled world. |
| 20:06.28 | korhojoa | this is why you create tunnels with your router |
| 20:06.29 | jelly-home | karlpinc_: no, YOU're an idiom |
| 20:06.37 | korhojoa | ahh, okay |
| 20:06.41 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: ohh, you mean to be able to access the repos? |
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| 20:06.54 | republican_devil | anyone here own thier own biz and make more than 200k? |
| 20:07.05 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: No, just to be able to connect _into_ the box to do anything, like upgrade it. |
| 20:07.14 | jelly-home | republican_devil: including yourself or not? |
| 20:07.14 | valdyn | republican_devil: off topic |
| 20:07.17 | twobitsprite | waits for fails pitch |
| 20:08.10 | karlpinc_ | korhojoa: I agree. But I've no access to the router, and if I did it might get swapped out without anyone telling me anyway. |
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| 20:08.41 | republican_devil | what? |
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| 20:09.10 | twobitsprite | republican_devil: sorry, sounded like a prelude to spam |
| 20:09.30 | jelly-home | republican_devil: this is a tech support channel. Queries of other than debian support nature go to #debian-offtopic |
| 20:09.38 | stew | let's please stay on topic. republican_devil please see my /msg |
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| 20:10.25 | korhojoa | karlpinc_, where is this? |
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| 20:11.34 | ^shark_ | anybody come across this error in vyata |
| 20:11.36 | ^shark_ | ignoring Delete SA payload: PROTO_IPSEC_ESP SA(0x027091eb) not found (maybe expired) |
| 20:11.56 | karlpinc_ | korhojoa: Actually, I don't know. Not here. It's a box given to a client that's configured to make an off-site backup of their important stuff. It's likely in some closet in somebody's house. |
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| 20:13.03 | republican_devil | debain not bad os for biz |
| 20:13.25 | greycat | was that a question, or a statement? |
| 20:14.38 | jelly-home | "yes" |
| 20:14.55 | ^shark_ | ignoring Delete SA payload: PROTO_IPSEC_ESP SA(0x027091eb) not found (maybe expired) |
| 20:14.55 | greycat | damned yes-men! |
| 20:14.57 | ^shark_ | anyone/ |
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| 20:15.32 | karlpinc_ | ^shark_: If anyone knows they'll chime in. Otherwise give it a while. |
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| 20:16.09 | ompaul | greycat: I am tempted to be a pedant and say that was only jelly-home saying "yes" ;- |
| 20:16.10 | ompaul | ) |
| 20:16.16 | stew | !tell Guest96670 about root |
| 20:16.18 | streuner_ | Guest96670: dont irc as root, login as user |
| 20:16.25 | ^shark_ | <karlpinc_> ok |
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| 20:21.50 | greycat | oh... heh. I still have /ignore ^*: all |
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| 20:22.51 | streuner_ | greycat: you didnt miss much :-P |
| 20:22.57 | ompaul | netrom^off: use the /away not a nick change :) |
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| 20:23.33 | ^shark_ | anybody help me with this >> http://paste.debian.net/119140/ |
| 20:24.11 | ner0x | Chromium browser greater than 6.0 is on what release? |
| 20:24.42 | streuner_ | judd, versions chromium |
| 20:24.42 | judd | Package chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 11.0.696.71~r86024-1 |
| 20:24.59 | ^shark_ | anybody good with vyatta |
| 20:25.00 | ompaul | ^shark_: at a guess it seems to me your session may have expired and needs to be restarted that looks like a stale packet |
| 20:25.05 | stew | judd: versions: chromium-browser |
| 20:25.14 | stew | judd: versions chromium-browser |
| 20:25.14 | ompaul | ^shark_: note I said guess but there you go |
| 20:25.15 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; wheezy: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze5; sid: 11.0.696.71~r86024-1 |
| 20:25.33 | stew | ner0x: ^^^ squeeze, wheezy, sid |
| 20:25.47 | ^shark_ | <ompaul> i have cleared the peer and restarted vyatta with init.d, but still get the message |
| 20:26.05 | ner0x | sid is the one you shouldn't use correct? |
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| 20:26.12 | ^shark_ | <ompaul> i think its an expired ike peer lifetime, but not sure |
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| 20:26.28 | streuner_ | ner0x: if you have to ask, yes :-) |
| 20:26.33 | ompaul | ^shark_: as I said a guess, keys might have no more life in them that is true too |
| 20:26.58 | ^shark_ | <ompaul> if no more life in key, what is the solution? |
| 20:27.16 | ^shark_ | <ompaul> how to solve dead key |
| 20:27.19 | ner0x | streuner_: I was a gentoo stage 1 user. :-) Just not clear how the debian package system works, that's all. |
| 20:27.23 | ompaul | ^shark_: create new keys |
| 20:27.37 | ^shark_ | <ompaul> from master? |
| 20:27.37 | ompaul | ^shark_: exchange them off the internet |
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| 20:27.57 | ompaul | ^shark_: go check the life time of the keys and yes |
| 20:28.26 | ompaul | ^shark_: I don't have your software so I am not going to be able to show you how you set it up in the first place |
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| 20:28.37 | ^shark_ | <ompaul> checked configs and debug no keys in there |
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| 20:28.45 | ner0x | streuner_: It's on a virtualbox so if it breaks, oh well. Instructions to upgrade to sid? |
| 20:29.29 | streuner_ | ner0x: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 20:29.54 | ompaul | ner0x: you need to be able to look after yourself if you really break it badly you may end up with a box that does not want to do anything |
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| 20:30.03 | ner0x | ompaul: I can handle that. |
| 20:30.12 | ner0x | streuner_: Thanks. |
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| 20:30.31 | ^shark_ | <ompaul> http://paste.debian.net/119141/ |
| 20:32.19 | ompaul | ^shark_: don't know that key based tool so I can't tell you any more |
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| 20:32.37 | ompaul | ^shark_: I use openvpn for everything including making tea and coffee ;-) |
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| 20:34.01 | chellomere | if an X11 program has captured the mouse and keyboard and doesn't give them back (even though it was killed), what can I do to convince it to do that? :D |
| 20:34.21 | ^shark_ | <ompaul> nice |
| 20:34.42 | ^shark_ | <ompaul> i am using vyatta, but i could share some common ideas on these keys |
| 20:34.57 | ompaul | ^shark_: how long was it working? |
| 20:35.10 | ner0x | streuner_: Easy enough. Any examples of a typical sources.list file? |
| 20:35.38 | ^shark_ | <ompaul> a year or so |
| 20:36.00 | streuner_ | ner0x: deb http://ftp.<TLD>.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 20:39.19 | ner0x | streuner_: No security updates would make sense. |
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| 20:39.54 | streuner_ | ner0x: sure, i have good experiences to install stable first, and upgrade to unstable then... |
| 20:39.55 | Craig` | hey guys, i'm using this application called iso2opl, basically what it does is convert iso images to files suitable for ps2 homebrew, the problem is that one of it's arguments is a specified drive for output though i'm wanting the current directory for the output |
| 20:40.01 | Craig` | this is what i mean, http://pastie.org/2034243 |
| 20:40.06 | Craig` | if i specified ~/foo.iso as the source_iso i'd like the destination to be ~ too, i don't want the output on another drive .. is there some way i can specify the same drive i'm using? |
| 20:40.16 | ner0x | streuner_: I use stable to develop on, this is just to see what unstable is like. |
| 20:40.26 | chellomere | solution, from #xorg: if killing the app didn't solve it, it was another program that captured the mouse and keyboard. and voila, it was :) |
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| 20:42.57 | streuner_ | ner0x: grml is based on testing/unstable... |
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| 20:43.57 | streuner_ | ner0x: /msg dpkg grml - no need to reinstall how unstable basically looks like... |
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| 20:44.10 | streuner_ | ner0x: s/reinstall/install/ |
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| 20:46.55 | streuner_ | ner0x: there is no DE in grml, if you prefer that, its easy enough to just use a stable d-i and upgrade to unstable |
| 20:47.57 | ujjain | !dpkg |
| 20:47.57 | dpkg | [dpkg] the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 20:48.33 | ujjain | !dpkg version ruby |
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| 20:49.05 | streuner_ | ujjain: pleas use "/msg dpkg <factoid> instead. |
| 20:49.08 | streuner_ | please* |
| 20:49.38 | streuner_ | ujjain: for versions just "/msg judd versions <package-name> |
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| 20:50.46 | ujjain | ahh thanks! |
| 20:51.02 | SushiDude | Just a question, why is the official Debian logo so restricted? |
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| 20:51.51 | SushiDude | Does anyone even know? =P |
| 20:52.09 | ompaul | SushiDude: they heard that windows wanted to use it |
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| 20:53.34 | SushiDude | ompaul: what? |
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| 20:53.59 | SushiDude | ompaul: Is there a blog post about that? |
| 20:54.04 | ompaul | SushiDude: I was laughing out loud and hoping you would join in |
| 20:54.47 | SushiDude | ompaul: do you know the real reason why? |
| 20:55.01 | streuner_ | SushiDude: try /msg dpkg debian logo |
| 20:55.01 | SushiDude | ompaul: oh, and good try |
| 20:55.42 | MrFrood | SushiDude: for real -MS will be offering Debian support soon |
| 20:57.01 | SushiDude | MrFrood: I doubt that is true.. |
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| 20:57.13 | SushiDude | The bot did not tell me.. |
| 20:57.14 | webad13 | where can I find the list of all set -o vi (shortctus, like man page) |
| 20:57.30 | SushiDude | but that is an awesome bot |
| 20:57.43 | SushiDude | where is the source for that |
| 20:57.48 | SushiDude | bot |
| 20:58.11 | babilen | !tell SushiDude about dpkgbot |
| 20:58.24 | eross | debian is rolling? |
| 20:58.28 | MrFrood | SushiDude: they are going to be supporting debiam installs on their VM's and possibly cloud service |
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| 20:58.50 | SushiDude | eross: no |
| 20:59.40 | SushiDude | MrFrood: I want to see a post by MS before I will believe that. |
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| 21:01.02 | eross | deb uses apt? |
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| 21:01.23 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: which of the debian logos are you referring to? |
| 21:02.16 | babilen | eross: Debian releases are not rolling, but there are discussion about implementing that soonish. Some people argue that testing and sid constitute rolling releases already, but they are much rather staging grounds for the next stable release. And yes, Debian uses apt. |
| 21:02.27 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: the one with the bottle? I'm not really sure if there's a good reason that it's the way it is except "historical reasons", but it's not used very much anyway. the swirl got relicensed to basically the MIT license, though the version with the word "debian" in it is a bit more restrictive so as not to jeopardize Debian's trademark on its name. |
| 21:03.13 | karlpinc_ | !tell eross about overview |
| 21:03.26 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: I was involved in the process of loosening the licensing, so I can tell you it had nothing to do with MS :) |
| 21:03.40 | Hydroxide | rather it had to do with debian caring about freedom even as applied to itself |
| 21:03.42 | babilen | karlpinc_: <introduction> |
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| 21:04.02 | MrFrood | SushiDude: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/02/microsoft_floating_ubuntu_debian/ |
| 21:04.03 | SushiDude | Hydroxide: I like the one with the bottle better -_- |
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| 21:04.51 | LordVorp | I'm porting a program that uses gettimeofday(&now, &tz);, and tz is coming back with zeroes. The man page sez, the tz parameter is now deprecated (I'm using debian 6). what is the "approved" substitute, to get the tz offset of the local system (preferably in minutes)? |
| 21:04.53 | karlpinc_ | babilen: Thanks. |
| 21:05.09 | SushiDude | MrFrood: thats good |
| 21:05.19 | Hydroxide | MrFrood: that's neat to see. I don't think Debian as a whole is aware of that, and it's certainly not some special arrangement with us. |
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| 21:06.00 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: when the swirl logo got relicensed, there was some discussion about dealing with the bottle logo, but it never actually happened. it still could, potentially |
| 21:07.21 | eross | what about an application and game development platform, is debian ok to use? |
| 21:08.01 | streuner_ | most developers just use debian |
| 21:08.02 | SushiDude | Hydroxide: Well if there ever is a discussion about the bottle, tell them I want to be able to use the bottle as much as the swirl. |
| 21:08.06 | Hydroxide | eross: I'd say yes, at least if you're not targeting the DirectX world :) |
| 21:08.12 | SushiDude | =) |
| 21:08.20 | Hydroxide | eross: (or similar proprietary-game-API worlds) |
| 21:08.37 | MrFrood | eross: develop for debian stable and you should have no issues porting to all the "based on debian" distros |
| 21:08.47 | eross | nah just propietary Linux world, if there is such a thing |
| 21:08.58 | Hydroxide | eross: if you're targeting Linux, yeah, Debian is fine |
| 21:09.06 | Hydroxide | eross: even if your app is proprietary |
| 21:09.07 | eross | ty |
| 21:09.10 | Hydroxide | np |
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| 21:10.07 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: maybe email leader@debian.org or debian-project@lists.debian.org or debian-desktop@lists.debian.org [those last two are public and a discussion will probably result] |
| 21:10.31 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: [and either way the debian project leader would be in volved in any relicensing] |
| 21:10.44 | SushiDude | I will do that later |
| 21:10.47 | Hydroxide | cool |
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| 21:12.05 | SushiDude | Wait, public email? |
| 21:12.23 | freegamehosting | hello guys i'm trying to install java on my machine. when i hit apt-get install sun-java6-jdk i get : Package sun-java6-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:12.25 | SushiDude | Is everyone allowed to view it or something? |
| 21:12.26 | ciis | NFS statd? |
| 21:12.34 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: debian does most of its discussion in the public, yes |
| 21:12.49 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: leader@debian.org is private but goes to a very busy individual so it may not move as fast otherwise |
| 21:12.51 | MrFrood | SushiDude: yes - web searchable |
| 21:13.00 | Hydroxide | *as fast as otherwise |
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| 21:13.38 | SushiDude | But can anyone login to a read only version of the email? |
| 21:13.50 | SushiDude | Or does someone post them online? |
| 21:13.54 | ansgar | SushiDude: It's a mailing list. |
| 21:13.56 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: it's not a mailbox. it's a mailing list. anyone can subscribe, anyone can read archives, anyone can post |
| 21:14.03 | MrFrood | SushiDude: anyone |
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| 21:14.11 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: that's why they end in @lists.debian.org, and why leader@debian.org doesn't |
| 21:14.45 | SushiDude | So if I send an email to it, it emails everyone subscribed to it? |
| 21:14.48 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: if you wouldn't think twice about posting to a web forum, it's the same thing, except via email and with better searchability |
| 21:15.01 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: yes. which they expect and are okay with. |
| 21:15.12 | Hydroxide | SushiDude: they can auto-filter it into a folder if they so choose, and many do. |
| 21:15.13 | SushiDude | Thats cool |
| 21:15.17 | MrFrood | SushiDude: e.g. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ |
| 21:15.20 | ansgar | SushiDude: Yes, and it also shows up in quite a lot of web archives. |
| 21:15.22 | sadasdasd | somebody any advice? |
| 21:15.22 | Hydroxide | yes. |
| 21:16.31 | MrFrood | sadasdasd: about what? |
| 21:16.36 | ciis | I'm guessing NFS statd should be help-back(squeeze) on install? |
| 21:16.46 | sadasdasd | hello guys i'm trying to install java on my machine. when i hit apt-get install sun-java6-jdk i get : Package sun-java6-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:16.49 | sadasdasd | about that:P |
| 21:17.40 | MrFrood | !tell sadasdasd about java |
| 21:18.03 | sadasdasd | ? |
| 21:18.25 | sadasdasd | <install java> |
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| 21:19.06 | MrFrood | sadasdasd: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:19.08 | babilen | sadasdasd: You can ask the bot by using "/msg dpkg install java" |
| 21:19.23 | sadasdasd | i did |
| 21:19.31 | sadasdasd | bugger all, i dunno |
| 21:19.35 | sadasdasd | is his answer:D |
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| 21:19.58 | Noah722742711737 | It costs 1.7 cents to make a penny. |
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| 21:20.15 | MrFrood | !install java |
| 21:20.15 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) or icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 21:20.16 | babilen | sadasdasd: You probably had a typo in there somewhere |
| 21:20.18 | MikeGS | Where can I download a debian 5 iso? |
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| 21:20.52 | babilen | !msg dpkg lenny |
| 21:20.58 | babilen | !msg dpkg install lenny |
| 21:21.04 | babilen | gargh! |
| 21:21.14 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 21:21.14 | SushiDude | !tell MikeGS lenny |
| 21:21.19 | babilen | heh |
| 21:21.24 | babilen | !install lenny |
| 21:21.24 | dpkg | Links to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. See also <errata lenny> and <lenny install guide>. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/ |
| 21:21.41 | babilen | MikeGS: Why do you want lenny? |
| 21:21.44 | MikeGS | yay! |
| 21:21.47 | SushiDude | lol |
| 21:21.56 | MikeGS | that's what all our current crap is built on |
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| 21:22.12 | MikeGS | bumping up to sqeeze would be utter hell right now |
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| 21:22.24 | MikeGS | squeeze* |
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| 21:22.50 | MikeGS | We'll hopefully have migrated by the end of 2012 |
| 21:22.54 | babilen | MikeGS: Ok, but try to get your stuff into shape before lenny's security support is dropped. |
| 21:23.05 | babilen | That is a bit too late I'm afraid. |
| 21:23.28 | MikeGS | uh.... we would first need to have a system in place to actually update the machines |
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| 21:24.14 | MikeGS | some of these boxes haven't been updated in >1yr |
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| 21:24.52 | babilen | MikeGS: Well, you have until February 2012 to figure it out. (Or sooner if wheezy is released before that, which is probably not going to happen though) |
| 21:25.11 | babilen | MikeGS: And you should at least make sure to run an up-to-date lenny system. |
| 21:25.25 | MikeGS | not my choice unfortunately |
| 21:26.08 | MikeGS | if it were my choice...... we'd be entirely on squeeze and testing for wheezy and 100% updated with a proper update process |
| 21:26.09 | babilen | Then communicate to whoever is in charge of it. Depending on a platform with no security support is madness. |
| 21:26.25 | babilen | Ok, preaching to the choir. :) |
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| 21:27.28 | MikeGS | It's mostly a money thing. There's no system in place for managing updates and dealing with problems from updates as they come up. |
| 21:27.49 | MikeGS | I'm going to do my best to get us there though :D |
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| 21:28.13 | babilen | Well, you know how it is now and I hope that you get the funds together to make the move. Good luck! |
| 21:29.05 | republican_devil | commod disk softroad+in memory db with updates sent to log on commodiy hardware woo wee cheapa dn pwoerful websites |
| 21:29.07 | republican_devil | love it |
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| 21:29.51 | cali | Hello, I have removed cpu governor but it seems that there's still something changing the cpu frequency thought cpuinfo shows the normal frequency, any idea ? |
| 21:30.23 | karlpinc_ | I just ran upgrade-from-grub-legacy and got some messages that said "error: out of partition." When I run update-grub I get the following: http://paste.debian.net/119148/ What's up? The box is remote and I don't want to try rebooting unless I know it's going to work. |
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| 21:34.55 | iluminator101 | Segmentation faulty tree... 50%??? |
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| 21:35.36 | sinedeviance | hi all |
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| 21:36.06 | AR_SOLi | how to change login screen wallpaper? |
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| 21:36.25 | AR_SOLi | gdmsetup is not work compeletly? |
| 21:36.30 | Jef91 | Anyone know what the best guide is for setting up the latest version of debian ARM in a qemu? I've searched around but there are lots of guides and I'm looking for a current one |
| 21:36.59 | sinedeviance | i have been using debian for servers for years but i have never used it as a desktop distro. i am getting really tired of ubuntu's forced interface changes because my clients cannot figure out the new unity interface. |
| 21:37.05 | sinedeviance | is debian a good desktop OS? |
| 21:37.17 | babilen | sure |
| 21:37.21 | jelly-home | it's nothing special |
| 21:37.22 | iluminator101 | debian is the best |
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| 21:37.48 | Jef91 | sinedeviance anything works really so long as you configure it right |
| 21:37.48 | streuner_ | sinedeviance: what kind of answer do you expect in #debian? |
| 21:37.52 | sinedeviance | well, it needs to be three things for me to consider it as an option i can give to my clients |
| 21:37.59 | Jef91 | For easy of use I'd recommend Linux Mint |
| 21:38.02 | karlpinc_ | The grub.cfg is here: http://paste.debian.net/119149/ |
| 21:38.03 | iluminator101 | Segmentation faulty tree... 50%??? |
| 21:38.11 | jelly-home | sinedeviance: don't let the newbies convince you. It's about as good as your chosen Desktop enviroment would be in any (other) distro |
| 21:38.24 | sinedeviance | 1. it must be easy to use on a daily basis. 2. it must be reliable. 3. it must not break whenever an upgrade comes down the pipe |
| 21:38.46 | Jef91 | You want no breaks but where using Ubuntu? |
| 21:38.47 | Jef91 | >.< |
| 21:38.55 | jelly-home | sinedeviance: upgrades to next release _always_ break something |
| 21:38.57 | sinedeviance | <streuner_> sinedeviance: what kind of answer do you expect in #debian? <-- an honest one. you people are here to help other people, right? ;) |
| 21:39.01 | karlpinc_ | sinedeviance: 2 and 3 are satisfied. 1 is a matter of opinion no matter what you use. |
| 21:39.01 | streuner_ | sinedeviance: you want something which isnt released yet. |
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| 21:39.11 | MpFusion | sinedeviance: What about Linux Mint LMDE (Debian Edition)? |
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| 21:39.29 | jelly-home | sinedeviance: upgrades during a release typically don't break things in Debian |
| 21:39.29 | streuner_ | sinedeviance: but group related things are important too, right? |
| 21:39.33 | sinedeviance | MpFusion: i havent tried it. i know that the older releases were based on ubuntu. how is it? |
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| 21:39.49 | jelly-home | MpFusion: Mint is legally on very shaky ground |
| 21:39.58 | MrFrood | MpFusion: poor support |
| 21:40.07 | MpFusion | sinedeviance: I'm satisfied. Very easy to use and (hopefully) no complete reinstalls necessary |
| 21:40.28 | MpFusion | Support for what? |
| 21:40.32 | sinedeviance | well, the distro wouldn't need to be that well supported from a tech support standpoint, because i would be supporting it |
| 21:40.33 | MpFusion | Community? |
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| 21:40.42 | sinedeviance | or from a community standpoint |
| 21:41.03 | karlpinc_ | jelly-home: (Har! A pun!) That's what makes mint so "easy to use", anyeverything shady comes pre-installed! |
| 21:41.09 | streuner_ | sinedeviance: well, another point which isnt very helpful |
| 21:41.10 | MrFrood | MpFusion: yes community - small community = poor support |
| 21:41.13 | MpFusion | It's based on debian, so every debian community can help |
| 21:41.31 | sinedeviance | heh, ok |
| 21:41.31 | MrFrood | myosound: um... no |
| 21:41.36 | streuner_ | sinedeviance: if you want do your own support, you have too much work, IMO |
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| 21:41.57 | sinedeviance | streuner_: yeah, thats kind of the point of finding a GOOD distro, because then i dont have to do much support ;) |
| 21:42.00 | erix | Hi all |
| 21:42.11 | sinedeviance | ubuntu is having some serious issues with reliability these days |
| 21:42.16 | jelly-home | MpFusion: they redistribute a number of binaries without explicit permission, and provide others without copyright data. This breaks Debian policies thus making it of lower quality compared to Debian, wrt DFSG |
| 21:42.20 | sinedeviance | in addition the repos are INCREDIBLY slow |
| 21:42.28 | MrFrood | !tell MpFusion about based on debian |
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| 21:42.33 | Hydroxide | MpFusion: not only is that not true, it's like saying US citizens like me can go to the British government for support simply because the US is historically based on England. |
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| 21:43.04 | streuner_ | sinedeviance: well, mulituniverse or whatever its called in *bunt* is basically Debian ;-) |
| 21:43.07 | Hydroxide | the differences are too great to ignore, even though the relation between the two is real too |
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| 21:43.26 | MpFusion | But the Ubuntu repos are not compatible with the debian ones |
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| 21:43.46 | jelly-home | karlpinc_: I'd consider using it _if_ they'd actually went and asked Adobe, Nvidia et al. for distribution rights |
| 21:43.48 | sinedeviance | okay, what about things like media codecs? ubuntu has a metapackage in the repos that installs pretty much all of them. does debian have a similar metapackage? |
| 21:43.50 | miha | is there a way to install all languages at once? would that be huge? |
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| 21:44.13 | streuner_ | sinedeviance: not in the official repos |
| 21:44.21 | jelly-home | miha: "all languages?" |
| 21:44.21 | erix | I want to ban an ipaddress with fail2ban for one of my virtual host( There are several vhost in apacheserver). I did some configuration in jail.conf. but still doesnt work.. any suggestion? |
| 21:44.33 | sinedeviance | streuner_: ok, but are the codec packages themselves present? |
| 21:44.34 | miha | jelly: yes, for things like live...cd..image? |
| 21:44.35 | Hydroxide | streuner_: in ubuntu, universe is mostly packages from debian, but with fewer people looking after them to make sure they are in good shape, nobody taking responsibility for specific packages, and no security support even though debian does support our versions of those. ubuntu's multiverse includes lots of packages from lots of sources, not all of which are even legal |
| 21:44.44 | streuner_ | sinedeviance: basically its called essential, but you'll find it in dmm |
| 21:44.51 | karlpinc_ | !tell sinedeviance about introduction |
| 21:44.57 | jelly-home | miha: so, localization support? |
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| 21:45.07 | miha | jelly: yes so you can choose at login? :) |
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| 21:45.23 | Hydroxide | sinedeviance: more codec packages are present in debian than used to be true. lots of stuff is available in debian main, but debian won't violate the law. the debian-multimedia repository has some stuff that may or may not be legal depending on which package and your location |
| 21:45.46 | sinedeviance | Hydroxide: so basically i just need to add the dmm repo |
| 21:45.50 | jelly-home | miha: have you taken a look at package locales-all |
| 21:45.52 | Hydroxide | sinedeviance: debian does provide mp3 playback support in main due to a different interpretation of the legal risks involved, unlike ubuntu and fedora |
| 21:46.18 | miha | jelly-home, is that just locale .. or translations for gui (gnome, programs) ? |
| 21:46.20 | karlpinc_ | sinedeviance: Or type "/msg dpkg overview" for an url with alternatives to dmm. |
| 21:46.24 | sinedeviance | hmm... i guess i'll download a copy of squeeze and try it in a VM |
| 21:46.42 | Hydroxide | sinedeviance: you might want to do that, but see if the stuff built into debian (like the gstreamer*-plugins-* packages) will work for your needs, since Debian can't provide support or accept bug reports when those are due to dmm |
| 21:46.54 | Hydroxide | (of course we can still support unrelated parts of your system that dmm doesn't touch) |
| 21:47.12 | jelly-home | miha: just locale. this _won't_ give you l18n for packages like, say, openoffice which has custom packaged support in lots of separate binary packages |
| 21:47.13 | sinedeviance | Hydroxide: well, my clients will need DVD and similar playback |
| 21:47.33 | Hydroxide | sinedeviance: debian's packages are built with support for noticing when libdvdcss is present and using it if so |
| 21:47.34 | miha | jelly: what about gnome, browser... ? |
| 21:47.40 | sinedeviance | Hydroxide: most of them were windows users in the past so i need to provide them with an alternative that works just as well |
| 21:47.57 | sinedeviance | Hydroxide: ok. thanks |
| 21:47.59 | Hydroxide | sinedeviance: and we do document where you can get a suitable packae |
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| 21:48.31 | jelly-home | miha: no idea; it could be in the main package, or it could be split out like openoffice |
| 21:48.35 | Hydroxide | sinedeviance: similarly, we now support aac/m4a playback, which we didn't previously. (patent issues...) |
| 21:48.46 | sinedeviance | okay. what about flash and java? those are relatively easy to locate and install, i'd assume? |
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| 21:49.00 | Hydroxide | lots of issues have been worked through. debian doesn't ignore them, but that also means we don't ignore dealing with them |
| 21:49.26 | miha | jelly-home so best is to click them all in install? |
| 21:49.31 | jelly-home | miha: I don't know of a way to ask the packaging system "give me _everything_ for locale foo_FOO and installed software" |
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| 21:50.02 | Hydroxide | sinedeviance: yes. debian's contrib repository in unstable, testing, and squeeze-backports has flashplugin-nonfree, which will download+install+nicely integrate flash from adobe.com and has a command to update it. |
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| 21:50.05 | miha | jelly-home cause during install you can click languages, i think? |
| 21:50.25 | miha | or just locales and main language? |
| 21:50.31 | Hydroxide | sinedeviance: as for java, Debian ships OpenJDK in main and provides the Sun/Oracle binary JDK/JRE in non-free. |
| 21:50.33 | sinedeviance | Hydroxide: well awesome! it seems like it will have everything we need |
| 21:50.39 | jelly-home | miha: that's just "locales" package configuration I think |
| 21:50.47 | pipeline | OpenJDK is freaking awesome |
| 21:50.51 | Hydroxide | sinedeviance: as much as debian prioritizes freedom, it also prioritizes users' needs. it's a very well-struck balance. |
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| 21:51.37 | sinedeviance | debian does not come with sudo installed by default, does it? |
| 21:51.44 | Bhavicp | no |
| 21:51.46 | sinedeviance | ok |
| 21:51.55 | sinedeviance | not a big deal, sudo is easy to configure |
| 21:51.58 | streuner_ | well, overguru just said once "Users are only care that things just work" :-) |
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| 21:52.19 | Hydroxide | sinedeviance: there's an option you can give to the installer to have it set up sudo by default in an ubuntu-like way and not use a root password |
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| 21:52.42 | jhutchins_lt | sinedeviance: I believe it's installed but not configured by default, but I could be wrong. |
| 21:53.40 | streuner_ | Priority: optional |
| 21:54.38 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: depends on what tasks you install |
| 21:54.47 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: I'm sure some of them would pull it in |
| 21:55.32 | miha | jelly-home, are all such packages named like this.. would install everything from apt-cache search l10n work? |
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| 21:56.21 | tsger_ | /join #ubuntu |
| 21:56.32 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 21:56.43 | mattmatteh | any -kfreebsd users have nvidia working, proprietary or open source ? |
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| 21:58.02 | jelly-home | miha: no idea. You could try ask on a debian mailing list, or of you plan to make a derivative distro, |
| 21:58.05 | jelly-home | !dfd |
| 21:58.05 | dpkg | [dfd] Derivatives Front Desk: http://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk . Press release: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100629 . IRC: #debian-derivatives on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:58.44 | nerdy_kid | is there a way using /etc/hosts to make a website redirect to another? I tried adding "apt.ubuntu.com apt.marcoceppi.com" to the file but apt.ubuntu.com doesn't redirect to the new site. |
| 21:58.51 | miha | jelly-home sounds so official :) |
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| 21:59.33 | crn | what version of squeeze do i install for an i7-960 Bloomfield processor? amd 64? |
| 21:59.37 | streuner_ | nerdy_kid: /j #ubuntu |
| 22:00.00 | streuner_ | dpkg, amd64 |
| 22:00.00 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are AMD64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
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| 22:00.11 | nerdy_kid | streuner_, I already asked in #ubuntu, and as its not an ubuntu specific question, I was hoping someone here could help. |
| 22:00.29 | streuner_ | nerdy_kid: what kind of distro do you use? |
| 22:00.35 | MrFrood | nerdy_kid: ##linux |
| 22:00.37 | miha | nerdy_kid hosts can redirect *anything* how are you doing i? |
| 22:00.58 | crn | thanks, streuner_ |
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| 22:01.33 | nerdy_kid | miha, I am trying to get the site apt.ubuntu.com to redirect to apt.marcoceppi.com |
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| 22:01.48 | miha | so how are you doing it? |
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| 22:02.32 | nerdy_kid | miha, what do you mean? I have tried adding "apt.ubuntu.com apt.marcoceppi.com" to /etc/hosts but it doesn't work. |
| 22:03.04 | miha | that's not how hosts work format is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_%28file%29 basicly you nslookup apt.marcoceppi.com, copy that IP and write IP apt.ubuntu.com |
| 22:03.05 | jelly-home | nerdy_kid: hosts file only provides mappings from symbolic to numeric ip addresses, nothing else |
| 22:03.48 | nerdy_kid | jelly-home, ah ok, so that is my problem. thanks! |
| 22:03.59 | jelly-home | nerdy_kid: what you're _actually_ trying to achieve can probably be done some other way. Ask in ##linux . |
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| 22:04.19 | nerdy_kid | jelly-home ok, thanks! |
| 22:04.22 | karlpinc_ | Anybody with a clue about my "error: out of partition" messages from update-grub? |
| 22:04.39 | cali | How to disable modules on boot ? |
| 22:05.32 | miha | nerdy_kid, not sure what you want to do, but generally you change /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo apt-get update, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine |
| 22:05.48 | miha | guessing |
| 22:05.53 | streuner_ | cali: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 22:06.11 | eross | what's a hybrid image? i only have cd media, does it mean it will resize to fit it? |
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| 22:07.54 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys hybrid |
| 22:07.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'hybrid' by key (10): _default hybrid cable modem ;; hybrid ircd #del# ;; hybrid images ;; debian hybrid #del# ;; hybrid-portsrc ;; hybrid image ;; wlc_hybrid ;; dancer-hybrid ;; hybrid cable modem ;; ircd-hybrid. |
| 22:08.07 | streuner_ | dpkg, hybrid images |
| 22:08.07 | dpkg | The Debian 6.0/Squeeze installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <businesscard>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#6 for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>. |
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| 22:08.23 | nerdy_kid | miha, I am trying to get it so that when I click on a link to apt.ubuntu.com I am redirected to apt.marcoceppi.com. So, if I click a apt.ubuntu.com/p/packagename I will be redirected to apt.marcoceppi.com/p/packagename |
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| 22:08.51 | miha | ahh ok, then do what jelly-home and me said |
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| 22:09.33 | miha | oh |
| 22:09.34 | miha | hm |
| 22:09.44 | jelly-home | nerdy_kid, miha: a) it probably won't work (for http) and b) it's not a Debian specific issue, so ask in ##linux not here |
| 22:10.13 | miha | jelly-home, i'll privmsg him :) |
| 22:10.26 | eross | only thing i see which will fit on a cd is the standard iso |
| 22:10.30 | jelly-home | or join him over there on that channel |
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| 22:11.04 | miha | jelly: it would work to use hosts to localhost and use apache rewriterule to [R] (redirect) pattern |
| 22:11.15 | babilen | eross: All of Debian's CD images fit on a CD -- That is the point of them. That they can *also* be directly written to USB sticks does not change that. |
| 22:11.21 | jelly-home | miha: srsly... ##linux |
| 22:11.27 | miha | ok |
| 22:11.56 | eross | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ - wont my cd burner software complain this file is too big and ask me to continue anyway? the gnome-desktop iso at 1.1G |
| 22:12.50 | sinedeviance | so if i want to download the debian cd, i only need CD-1 to do an installation, right? |
| 22:12.54 | babilen | Those are live images and meant to be burned to DVDs -- Are you trying to install Debian? |
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| 22:13.05 | babilen | sinedeviance: You could also use the netinstall |
| 22:13.13 | babilen | !tell sinedeviance -about netinstall |
| 22:13.17 | eross | yes but have cd media available |
| 22:13.18 | babilen | !tell sinedeviance -about firmware image |
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| 22:13.27 | sinedeviance | babilen: don't want to. i want to use a ~700mb image and end up with a 'ready to go' system, ubuntu style |
| 22:13.28 | babilen | !tell sinedeviance -about various cd1 |
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| 22:13.34 | sinedeviance | some of my clients do not have good internet access |
| 22:13.51 | babilen | sinedeviance: Ok, then use one of the "various cd1" with the desktop environment of your choice. |
| 22:14.03 | sinedeviance | so debian-CD-1 is gnome, i take it? |
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| 22:14.10 | babilen | eross: What do you mean by "have cd media available" ? |
| 22:14.13 | babilen | sinedeviance: yes |
| 22:14.18 | sinedeviance | babilen: ok. thanks! |
| 22:14.23 | babilen | sinedeviance: Have fun :) |
| 22:14.35 | eross | i'm out of DVD's currently |
| 22:14.36 | sinedeviance | babilen: here's hoping :D |
| 22:15.10 | babilen | sinedeviance: You should read the install manual (/msg dpkg ig) and inform yourself about firmware if needed for your hardware (/msg dpkg installer firmware) |
| 22:15.56 | babilen | eross: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:16.02 | sinedeviance | babilen: thanks, but this is just a test run in a VM. i shouldn |
| 22:16.09 | sinedeviance | shouldn't * need any firmware |
| 22:16.23 | babilen | Ok, just wanted to mention it in case you might need it. |
| 22:16.33 | sinedeviance | i use debian for servers alot :D |
| 22:16.40 | sinedeviance | yeah, thanks :D |
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| 22:18.36 | babilen | !tell eross -about ig |
| 22:18.42 | babilen | !tell eross -about netinstall |
| 22:18.46 | babilen | !tell eross -about firmware image |
| 22:18.51 | babilen | !tell eross -about various cd1 |
| 22:18.58 | babilen | !tell eross -about introduction |
| 22:19.02 | streuner_ | babilen: just stop :-) |
| 22:19.06 | babilen | </botspam> |
| 22:19.54 | jelly-home | babilen: /msg the bot |
| 22:19.55 | streuner_ | babilen: do you really expect that he read that all? :-P |
| 22:20.06 | babilen | I do :) |
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| 22:20.08 | karlpinc_ | Allrightie then. The "error: out of partition." message does not seem to impede boot. (Maybe it's something from an autoprober....) |
| 22:20.24 | babilen | karlpinc_: *phew* |
| 22:20.24 | streuner_ | babilen: you cannot expect what you do... |
| 22:20.46 | karlpinc_ | babilen: Yah. *phew* |
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| 22:27.10 | ws2k3 | hello people. doe ssoembody have any experience with rrdtool i'm trying to log some data from mysql to rrdtool but i'm gettings some strange error. |
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| 22:31.21 | somiaj | I'm trying to connect to a university wireless network -- Its an insecure network that gives me an ip then I use a webpage to authenticate myself. I have "wireless-essid <network>\nwireless-mode Managed" in my interfaces file. If I try to ifup this network I do not get a dhcp offer, yet if I use a network manager (wicd) to connect it works just fine. |
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| 22:32.04 | tmm1 | what does the "1:" prefix on some packages' version numbers mean |
| 22:32.23 | somiaj | Last once I use wicd to connect to the network the first time, I can then disable wicd (Stop the serveice) and connect just fine with ifup wlan0=net -- trying to figure out what the network manager is doing that I'm not so I can connect without using it |
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| 22:32.42 | somiaj | tmm1: /msg dpkg epoch (its a version number that can be used to override any other version number in terms of newness) |
| 22:33.10 | somiaj | tmm1: /msg dpkg version epoch |
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| 22:35.13 | stew | tmm1: it happens when, for instance, upstream releases a 20110608 version, which is followed by "1.0" dpkg would think "20110608 > 1.0" and refuse to upgrade |
| 22:35.33 | stew | tmm1: so we introduce "1:" at the begnning to say "all these are bigger than the (implied) 0: versions" |
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| 22:37.51 | daemonkeeper | (See also §5.6.12) |
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| 22:40.46 | tmm1 | stew: gotcha, thanks |
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| 22:44.10 | shoko_asahara | hi all |
| 22:44.15 | shoko_asahara | i got a little problem |
| 22:44.29 | shoko_asahara | headphones output is mute, it works in windows. |
| 22:44.56 | shoko_asahara | in Debian sound works through laptop speakers, nut no way to make headphones worki... |
| 22:44.58 | somiaj | shoko_asahara: in a laptop/driver? |
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| 22:45.40 | shoko_asahara | laptop |
| 22:45.54 | shoko_asahara | Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 22:45.58 | somiaj | I'd suggest googling for your laptop and linux in google see if anyone had the same issue |
| 22:46.07 | somiaj | shoko_asahara: I had to add options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad |
| 22:46.20 | shoko_asahara | how to do that? |
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| 22:46.37 | somiaj | shoko_asahara: to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to get my to function |
| 22:46.44 | shoko_asahara | I've been surfing a lot on this issue. |
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| 22:47.18 | somiaj | shoko_asahara: but I have an ATI Technologies card (using Intel HDA) so can't guarntee that works |
| 22:47.23 | somiaj | shoko_asahara: what laptop model? |
| 22:47.56 | shoko_asahara | very uncommon, an Akai |
| 22:48.11 | shoko_asahara | or something like that |
| 22:48.18 | shoko_asahara | ok I have changed that, now reboot? |
| 22:48.19 | somiaj | shoko_asahara: do you know what sound driver it uses? is it snd-hda-intel? |
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| 22:48.36 | shoko_asahara | yes it is |
| 22:49.01 | Iridos | duh, I'm getting 403 Request for blocked URL from ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ |
| 22:49.02 | shoko_asahara | shall I try to reboot? |
| 22:49.12 | somiaj | shoko_asahara: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto |
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| 22:49.53 | somiaj | shoko_asahara: quick google search gave me that, might have to figure out which model of laptop sound you have and tell the intel-hda-driver to understand which one, there is a list of some there but its not complete |
| 22:50.07 | shoko_asahara | ok, great |
| 22:50.09 | Iridos | (not the exact url.. what apt uses on deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main ) |
| 22:50.33 | Iridos | hm... http://ftp. ? that's a bit weird... but was put there by the installer, not me |
| 22:50.38 | somiaj | Iridos: did the package have a recent security update, have you tried to update your sources apt-get update? |
| 22:50.51 | Iridos | sure... first thing I tried |
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| 22:51.04 | somiaj | Iridos: apt can deal with ftp // http, try a different mirror. and update |
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| 22:52.07 | Iridos | oh |
| 22:52.59 | streuner_ | what happens if you use .fr as mirror? |
| 22:53.09 | Iridos | figured it when I went there... apt automatically honors the proxy setting from gnome... and chromium sets that very same setting... (and I'm often using a proxy) |
| 22:53.15 | Iridos | "ouch" |
| 22:53.35 | streuner_ | .oO (a proxy) |
| 22:53.49 | Iridos | that needs some getting used to... you change the settings in your browser and suddenly command-line programs behave differently |
| 22:54.02 | shoko_asahara | how to guess my model? |
| 22:54.09 | Iridos | (dunno if I'll ever get used to that) |
| 22:54.23 | somiaj | shoko_asahara: http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-kernel.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt;hb=HEAD -- seems to be a complete list of snd-intel-hda models, find yours and modify your /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to give the right one -- chance are its detecting the wrong model type. |
| 22:54.54 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: ftp.<language code>.debian.org is the common name for mirrors. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/list. Therefore is nothing suspicious on URLs like http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ if the mirror offers HTTP transport. |
| 22:55.06 | Iridos | hm, or http_proxy was set for some other reason |
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| 22:56.50 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, right.. I know it can offer whatever it wants... but I thought there's http.<andsoon>, too |
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| 22:57.05 | Iridos | right... works a lot better when it's not using a proxy that blocks the url |
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| 22:59.39 | Iridos | streuner_, http://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser_beware_online_filter_bubbles.html <-- I think you would find that interesting (and one reason to sometimes use a proxy and seem to come from some other place) |
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| 23:01.07 | Iridos | duh, yes... if I set the proxy in chromium, then open another shell, $http_proxy is set (and of course stays set from there on), if I unset the proxy and open a shell, http_proxy is undefined |
| 23:01.18 | shoko_asahara | do i need to reboot each time? i change the model? |
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| 23:02.35 | MrFrood | shoko_asahara: try alsactl init - might save a reboot, might not ... |
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| 23:04.36 | Iridos | dpkg, http_proxy is also note that http_proxy can be set from your preferences by your window manager, which in turn can be set by your browser (e.g. chromium) |
| 23:04.36 | dpkg | Iridos: okay |
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| 23:10.13 | Iridos | if that's not violating the rule of least surprise I dont know what does |
| 23:10.27 | Iridos | oh well... gn anyway |
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| 23:10.42 | PhoenixSTF | hello, is a mdadm 4 devices raid 5, reading @ 160Mbps good or is there more ways to it up? |
| 23:11.27 | epsilon | MBits or MBytes? |
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| 23:11.39 | smugglerinc | I need to send emails to a script. Would it be easier to enable pipe transports somehow in exim4 or use a different MTA? |
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| 23:11.46 | PhoenixSTF | Megabytes |
| 23:11.55 | chrissbx | Anyone knows how I can reset the console in the Debian installer? |
| 23:12.02 | epsilon | sounds excellent for me |
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| 23:12.15 | chrissbx | (after binary data changed some terminal settings) |
| 23:12.20 | jelly-home | smugglerinc: most MTAs allow for leftside: "|foo" syntax in /etc/aliases |
| 23:12.23 | chrissbx | Note that "reset" isn't there in busybox. |
| 23:12.24 | PhoenixSTF | epsilon, ty :) |
| 23:12.39 | Turl | hi all |
| 23:13.01 | smugglerinc | jelly-home: That seems to have been disabled in the debian install of exim. |
| 23:13.08 | republican_devil | PhoenixSTF: writing at 160MB be nicer |
| 23:13.09 | Turl | I'm trying to get apache to play nice with IPv6, can you help me? I'm getting connection refused on v6 |
| 23:13.13 | Turl | v4 works fine |
| 23:13.14 | republican_devil | eahc disk probly do 50 |
| 23:13.21 | republican_devil | you are blackplane limited sounds like |
| 23:13.22 | Turl | and I see it listening on ipv6 using netstat |
| 23:13.23 | republican_devil | I hate that |
| 23:13.24 | jelly-home | smugglerinc: where "most" in (sendmail, postfix, qmail+fastforward); dunno aobut others |
| 23:13.36 | republican_devil | id do raid 10 |
| 23:13.38 | republican_devil | :) |
| 23:13.39 | PhoenixSTF | republican_devil, lol it must be writing @ aproximatly 110-120 |
| 23:13.50 | republican_devil | hdparm -t |
| 23:14.01 | jelly-home | smugglerinc: if you're clueless about exim in general, you might like postfix a bit more |
| 23:14.13 | republican_devil | netowrk will only do about 91MB anyhow |
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| 23:14.17 | republican_devil | and thats ftp |
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| 23:14.30 | republican_devil | unless u trunk ethernet |
| 23:14.31 | smugglerinc | jelly-home: Then it might be easier to use a different MTA. Would I have to change any config files or would aptitude take care of making a new one the primary? |
| 23:14.43 | republican_devil | email is so 90s |
| 23:15.06 | smugglerinc | jelly-home: Alright. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 23:15.31 | PhoenixSTF | republican_devil, well i am not going to do taht anytime soon, it is my home NAS so ill leave like this for now ;) |
| 23:15.34 | jelly-home | smugglerinc: all the config files are different; postfix asks a couple of important questions and makes a somewhat sensible initial configuration |
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| 23:15.40 | shoko_asahara | found it! now it works like charm |
| 23:15.50 | shoko_asahara | eapd, that is my model... |
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| 23:16.02 | smugglerinc | jelly-home: Alright. Thank you. I shall attempt to do that then. |
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| 23:19.24 | republican_devil | sticks a spear in PhoenixSTF gut |
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| 23:20.54 | PhoenixSTF | republican_devil, lol i am just finishing copying some files to my nas ill do hdparm in a sec for you |
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| 23:44.02 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:44.13 | csills | Gnight |
| 23:44.22 | csills | cya guys later |
| 23:44.32 | soapie | Good night gentlemen |
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| 23:46.06 | PhoenixSTF | cya |
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| 23:52.30 | sudoman | I can't download ftp://pkg-shadow.alioth.debian.org/pub/pkg-shadow/shadow-4.1.4.3.tar.bz2 . I'm getting a "connection refused" error. |
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| 23:53.28 | sudoman | I've tried it from my laptop and from another server that i've ssh'd into |
| 23:54.29 | cusco | here too |
| 23:54.48 | themill | sudoman: anonymous ftp hasn't been reenabled on alioth after the recent rebuild |
| 23:55.00 | abrotman | alioth went through all kinds of changes |
| 23:55.06 | sudoman | themill: is that a plan to change? |
| 23:55.20 | abrotman | sudoman: you could use the svn interface, or try a binary package |
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| 23:55.37 | themill | nfc. it's on the "known problems" list not the "won't fix" list... |
| 23:55.50 | sudoman | themill: ok |
| 23:55.55 | cusco | [ |
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| 23:57.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | we should add a dpkg link to the titanpad page if there isn't one, alioth stuff is a reasonable quantity of questions atm |
| 23:58.32 | sudoman | for the record, svn.debian.org/pkg-shadow "isn't found" either. |
| 23:59.02 | sudoman | any clue where i can get an source tarball? |
| 23:59.56 | soapie | gulf of mexico |
