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| 00:25.43 | flamingspinach | anyone? |
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| 00:27.02 | flamingspinach | I was hoping someone could help me with accessing my android phone as a USB mass storage device :) |
| 00:27.30 | ppc | Anyone ever try making a debian live usb drive on mac os x, 10.5.5? |
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| 00:28.05 | Tordek | Hi, I'm running /testing on an intel dp55wb motherboard, which should have 5.1 audio, but I can only get stereo; do I need to enable something? |
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| 00:32.00 | gnarface | Tordek: snd_hda_intel? |
| 00:32.18 | Tordek | gnarface: yes |
| 00:32.34 | gnarface | open a terminal and run alsamixer |
| 00:32.47 | gnarface | use the right arrow to scroll all the way to the right |
| 00:33.05 | gnarface | woops wrong card |
| 00:33.49 | Tordek | gnarface: I go there and I only have one volume control, "master"; then I choose the other audio card; and there I have Master, PCM, Line, Mic, Mic Boost, S/PDIF, and Beep |
| 00:34.03 | Tordek | nothing more offscreen |
| 00:34.29 | gnarface | Tordek: you may need to set a different model= option for your module |
| 00:34.43 | gnarface | here, look at mine: options snd_hda_intel index=0 model=6stack-dig enable_msi=1 position_fix=1 |
| 00:35.17 | Tordek | where do I set that? and, do I need to reboot to change it? |
| 00:35.40 | gnarface | no you do not need to reboot |
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| 00:37.41 | gnarface | a good place to set it would be in your /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf file |
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| 00:37.55 | gnarface | you probably won't have one. just create one |
| 00:38.13 | gnarface | /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf |
| 00:38.26 | gnarface | create it as root |
| 00:38.35 | gnarface | of course |
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| 00:40.29 | gnarface | !intel |
| 00:40.30 | dpkg | Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN chipsets, ask me about <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>. For support of Ethernet chipsets, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <ia64>, <speedstep>. |
| 00:40.35 | gnarface | !snd_hda_intel |
| 00:40.40 | gnarface | hmm |
| 00:40.47 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 00:40.55 | gnarface | somewhere there is documentation for it |
| 00:41.12 | gnarface | for the options availalable with snd_hda_intel |
| 00:41.44 | gnarface | you can test them by first running: modprobe -r snd_hda_intel and then running modprobe snd_hda_intel [your options] |
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| 01:01.59 | gnarface | Tordek: you still here? http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA#.27model.27_parameter check out this |
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| 01:02.47 | gnarface | Tordek: especially take a look at this: http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-kernel.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt;hb=HEAD (linked from the other one) |
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| 01:05.33 | Tordek | sorry, got called away, gnarface |
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| 01:08.27 | gnarface | Tordek: also check the output of modinfo -p snd_hda_intel |
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| 01:17.41 | gnarface | Tordek: if you construct the right module options you can put them a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ and then just run modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && modprobe snd_hda_intel |
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| 01:18.51 | jamescarr | hello... how can I setup nopassword for sudo? I'd like my deployment script to sudo without prompting for a password |
| 01:19.14 | gnarface | jamescarr: did you read the sudo man page? |
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| 01:20.09 | jamescarr | nvm... I realized I shouldn't do that |
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| 01:20.19 | jamescarr | I should just give the app user permissions to run upstart |
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| 01:24.16 | gnarface | correct |
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| 01:26.43 | flamingspinach | hope I'm not considered to be spamming (due to the low traffic in here) but I've been spacing this question at 1-hour intervals... |
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| 01:27.05 | flamingspinach | can anyone help me figure out how to get udev to pay more attention to my android phone and when it makes available and stops making available a USB mass storage device? |
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| 01:28.41 | gnarface | flamingspinach: are you suggesting that you're seeing intermittent behavior? |
| 01:28.41 | flamingspinach | When I plug it in, /dev/sdb (say) appears, but `fdisk -l` reads nothing from it (which is I guess expected, since I need to turn on card access on the phone itself) |
| 01:29.08 | gnarface | flamingspinach: correct, you need to enable mass storage mode on the phone |
| 01:29.09 | flamingspinach | however, when I turn on card access on the phone, no /dev/sdb1 appears. |
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| 01:29.35 | gnarface | i can't tell you how to do that on the phone but that's pretty much always what you want, mass storage mode or "drive mode" or whatever the particular device calls it |
| 01:29.39 | flamingspinach | running `fdisk -l /dev/sdb` shows a partition table on /dev/sdb, with a single partition, which becomes /dev/sdb1 |
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| 01:30.04 | flamingspinach | gnarface: yes, I know how to do it - it's just that udev (or whatever's responsible for doing so) doesn't notice when I do it :) |
| 01:30.19 | flamingspinach | I have to run fdisk -l on the scsi device that was recognized when the phone was first plugged in |
| 01:30.27 | gnarface | flamingspinach: snafu; flash storage does not require a partition table |
| 01:30.49 | flamingspinach | further, when I disable "drive mode" as you call it on the phone, /dev/sdb1 still remains there |
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| 01:31.14 | gnarface | flamingspinach: you can mount the device directly... /dev/sdb make sure you have the vfat module loaded (its fat32 most likely) |
| 01:31.36 | flamingspinach | gnarface: no, /dev/sdb1 does exist, once I turn on "drive mode" |
| 01:31.48 | gnarface | but you can't mount it as fat32? |
| 01:32.00 | gnarface | flamingspinach: i partition some of my sd cards... |
| 01:32.16 | flamingspinach | I can mount it (IIRC - actually, let me check again), but udev doesn't automatically create /dev/sdb1 until I run `fdisk -l` on /dev/sdb |
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| 01:32.30 | gnarface | flamingspinach: are you sure its not just a delay? |
| 01:32.32 | flamingspinach | expected behavior would be for /dev/sdb1 to appear when I turn on drive mode and for it to disappear when I turn off drive mode, no? |
| 01:32.42 | gnarface | flamingspinach: some cards/drives are slow |
| 01:33.09 | gnarface | flamingspinach: yes but i've experienced even 5 seconds delay before its safely mountable |
| 01:33.17 | flamingspinach | there's not even any message in dmesg when I turn on drive mode |
| 01:33.39 | gnarface | flamingspinach: some flash rom is FREAKING SLOW to connect |
| 01:33.57 | gnarface | flamingspinach: literally wait 3 seconds and then try to mount it again |
| 01:34.00 | flamingspinach | well, let's leave it for ten minutes and see if anything happens... surely that's long enough? :P |
| 01:34.12 | flamingspinach | it's not failing to mount, gnarface |
| 01:34.14 | flamingspinach | it just doesn't exist |
| 01:34.23 | flamingspinach | /dev/sdb1 doesn't exist until I do `fdisk -l /dev/sdb` |
| 01:34.34 | gnarface | and you say you can't mount the device /dev/sdb directly as fat32 either? |
| 01:34.43 | flamingspinach | let me try that, hang on... |
| 01:34.57 | gnarface | flamingspinach: and this is *debian* |
| 01:35.12 | gnarface | and you set the phone in drive mode already, or "mass storage device" mode or whatever right? |
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| 01:36.10 | jasonsmr | hello channel |
| 01:36.25 | jasonsmr | anyone tell me if they know what a Heartbeat is? |
| 01:37.00 | Tordek | gnarface: 3stack-dig got me close, but no cigar; I'll keep at it tomorrow; thanks for your help |
| 01:37.39 | nkuttler | !tell jasonsmr about heartbeat |
| 01:37.47 | gnarface | Tordek: good luck... check into that position_fix parameter |
| 01:38.07 | flamingspinach | gnarface: hang on, let me write out some stuff on pastebin to make this more clear |
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| 01:39.07 | gnarface | Tordek: also do look carefully at the record and playback panels of alsamixer... it can be obscure... |
| 01:40.25 | Tordek | gnarface: yeah... now I;m getting some odd behaviour... if I mute "headphones" it mutes all output, except mic... |
| 01:40.59 | gnarface | Tordek: that sounds more like the options aren't right yet |
| 01:41.18 | gnarface | Tordek: or wait... actually on second thought no |
| 01:41.47 | gnarface | Tordek: i'm not positive but i think the driver might be in some cases capable of jack sensing |
| 01:42.13 | gnarface | alsamixer dynamically generates an interface for each card you see |
| 01:42.14 | Tordek | it does so (with the right drivers) on Windows, indeed |
| 01:42.35 | gnarface | that mute button might be the manual control for the jack insertion sensor you see? |
| 01:42.41 | gnarface | âthink.... |
| 01:42.49 | gnarface | i'm no pro either |
| 01:43.49 | gnarface | Tordek: on my 6stack-dig motherboard i hooked up a 5.1 speaker set |
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| 01:45.01 | gnarface | Tordek: with those options i pasted you earlier i managed to get it working for 5.1 output but i had to turn the volume on master, pcm, front, surround, center and lfe up |
| 01:45.48 | jasonsmr | !tell jasonsmr about cluster |
| 01:46.24 | nkuttler | !tell jasonsmr about selftell |
| 01:47.09 | jasonsmr | ah |
| 01:47.13 | jasonsmr | ty |
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| 01:50.40 | rns | what's the difference between ubuntu and debian? Why choose debian? |
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| 01:51.18 | gnarface | rns: debian has better QA |
| 01:51.24 | superstraw | debian tastes great, less filling |
| 01:51.28 | dvs | rns: Debian may bn |
| 01:51.36 | rns | bn? |
| 01:51.45 | dvs | rns: Debian may not have the most up-to-date packages but at least they work well. |
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| 01:52.18 | rns | dvs, is that a plus for system admins since they don't have to upgrade the OS every 6 months? |
| 01:52.32 | dvs | rns: yes |
| 01:52.34 | superstraw | yes. |
| 01:52.43 | tensorpudding | you don't have to upgrade ubuntu every six months, though |
| 01:52.46 | gnarface | rns: a bit more philosophically speaking, debian is for control freaks who have a bit more patient view of package currency |
| 01:53.05 | tensorpudding | debian provides a more standard desktop experience |
| 01:53.17 | gnarface | rns: its all about stability and control |
| 01:53.23 | tensorpudding | no special branding |
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| 01:53.43 | superstraw | and it's sexy |
| 01:53.49 | tensorpudding | debian has a better wallpaper |
| 01:53.50 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:54.30 | superstraw | doesn't dpkg have a function for the ubuntu vs debian thing? |
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| 01:54.42 | superstraw | dpkg: ubuntu |
| 01:54.42 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:54.45 | gnarface | it is shockingly versatile, when you get to understand the base level system utilities better |
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| 01:55.05 | gnarface | but its no where near as user-friendly out of the box as ubuntu for most average users |
| 01:55.46 | superstraw | which is good in my opinion, keeps nosy people off your server. |
| 01:56.25 | flamingspinach | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/WS9HJAwB |
| 01:56.43 | gnarface | superstraw: agreed, more or less |
| 01:56.49 | flamingspinach | (or anyone else who wants to read my question, haha) |
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| 01:58.18 | gnarface | flamingspinach: i read it and my advice hasn't changed |
| 01:58.39 | flamingspinach | gnarface: what, to wait 3 seconds and try to mount again? |
| 01:58.48 | flamingspinach | I showed you that I have no problem mounting it. |
| 01:58.56 | gnarface | flamingspinach: are you looking at the output of dmesg between the time that you turn on "drive mode" on the phone and try to mount it? i'm telling you, try again, this time count to 5 before you mount it |
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| 02:00.51 | gnarface | flamingspinach: sorry i don't have an android and have never tried it on an android. i've tried it on a number of other devices though (phones, palm pilots, portable gaming devices, cameras) and i've apparently never seen this problem |
| 02:00.52 | gnarface | sorry |
| 02:02.14 | superstraw | flamingspinach: why do you want sdc1 to disappear? |
| 02:02.24 | gnarface | flamingspinach: you're saying you are certain that fdisk -l sdc is a required step? |
| 02:02.28 | flamingspinach | superstraw: because it's no longer available, due to me turning off drive mode on the phone |
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| 02:02.33 | flamingspinach | gnarface: yes, that's what I'm saying |
| 02:02.41 | superstraw | so what's wrong with just letting it sit there? |
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| 02:02.53 | flamingspinach | I don't know how long you realistically want me to wait for it to show up on its own, but I have waited at least a couple of minutes, if not longer |
| 02:03.13 | gnarface | if they weren't so fucking bulky i would wish i had an andriod phone |
| 02:03.17 | superstraw | have you tried mounting it when drive mode is off on the phone? |
| 02:03.29 | gnarface | is an old man who still wants his phone to be a phone |
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| 02:03.42 | superstraw | heh me too. |
| 02:04.21 | superstraw | I refuse to spend over $50 for a phone! |
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| 02:04.25 | flamingspinach | superstraw: well, I want to eventually get autofs running on it, so I presumed that I should want the device to disappear when it is physically inaccessible |
| 02:04.50 | flamingspinach | I haven't tried that, no, but I can try now - I doubt it will work, though, since it's controlled from the phone's side, and the phone remounts the SD card on its own filesystem when you turn off drive mode |
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| 02:06.59 | superstraw | flamingspinach: I wonder what cfdisk would tell you. |
| 02:07.28 | jamescarr | is it possible to run upstart as non-sudo? |
| 02:08.23 | flamingspinach | superstraw: "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder" |
| 02:08.37 | flamingspinach | I guess fdisk is smarter than cfdisk |
| 02:08.40 | superstraw | flamingspinach: maybe sdc1 doesn't go away because the device isn't physically disconnected? |
| 02:08.52 | flamingspinach | running cfdisk on the device does make sdc1 appear, though |
| 02:08.58 | superstraw | Yeah cfdisk doesn't catch some of my partitions cuz windows partitioned the drive. |
| 02:09.00 | flamingspinach | superstraw: yes - once I disconnect it, sdc disappears, and with it sdc1 |
| 02:09.20 | superstraw | oh well maybe that's why. |
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| 02:09.27 | flamingspinach | I think that udev is probably not designed to monitor partition tables for changes during the lifetime of a device session |
| 02:09.36 | flamingspinach | udev or whatever is responsible for this stuff, I mean |
| 02:09.37 | flamingspinach | (I don't know) |
| 02:10.17 | flamingspinach | oh, this could be the issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4012082&postcount=6 |
| 02:10.35 | flamingspinach | ugh, that's nasty |
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| 02:11.57 | superstraw | stupid smart phones |
| 02:12.04 | superstraw | :D |
| 02:12.24 | flamingspinach | so I guess I literally need to run fdisk every time I want to mount this damn thing |
| 02:12.51 | gnarface | weird |
| 02:12.52 | subimage | question for yall...i have a pc with a raid1 setup...just built a new machine with similar cpu. if i pull out one of the drives and shove it in here will it work? |
| 02:13.00 | flamingspinach | either that or figure out some way to make my computer not wait for the USB device to "settle", whatever that means, before "scanning it", whatever that means :P |
| 02:13.01 | subimage | im being lazy and dont want to reinstall |
| 02:13.06 | ledoktre | Greetings y'all. Anyone here might know why mod_tls was not included in deb proftpd 1.3.1-17lenny6? Been trying to get SSL/TLS working and discovered it aint on the list of compiled modules! Better yet, anyone (I am new to Debian) know the best route (besides compiling for now) to get it in there? |
| 02:13.29 | subimage | diff mobo though |
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| 02:14.26 | superstraw | subimage: I doubt the raid config mirrors the mbr |
| 02:14.34 | subimage | aye... |
| 02:14.38 | subimage | there goes that |
| 02:14.54 | subimage | can i shove in another drive and dd it or something? |
| 02:15.15 | subimage | or i'll probably end up having to partition it anyhow huh |
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| 02:15.40 | superstraw | maybe if you dd the mbr from one to another, but be prepared for total loss or at least a paint in the buttocks |
| 02:15.45 | superstraw | and mark the partition active |
| 02:15.47 | superstraw | etc. |
| 02:15.59 | superstraw | maybe the diff motherboard will throw you off too. |
| 02:16.01 | subimage | fuck it...might as well just reinstall |
| 02:16.06 | subimage | thx for the pointers |
| 02:16.12 | superstraw | well just try it and see if you can fix it :) |
| 02:16.25 | subimage | ehh i was honestly just trying to get around installing my ATI drivers again |
| 02:16.29 | subimage | this is bitcoin box #3 |
| 02:16.30 | subimage | lol |
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| 02:17.44 | superstraw | virtual currency eh |
| 02:18.00 | subimage | yeah its paying off so far |
| 02:18.04 | subimage | decided to make another box today |
| 02:18.11 | subimage | :) |
| 02:18.31 | superstraw | uh do you get real money or something? |
| 02:18.41 | subimage | yes |
| 02:18.53 | superstraw | ah found a website, will read about it |
| 02:19.05 | flamingspinach | a... paint in the buttocks? |
| 02:19.11 | subimage | try http://www.weusecoins.com/ |
| 02:19.13 | flamingspinach | sounds festive |
| 02:19.23 | flamingspinach | rofl bitcoin boxen |
| 02:19.37 | superstraw | heh, brown paint |
| 02:19.53 | subimage | flamingspinach: sold a bunch @ $30ea today |
| 02:20.00 | subimage | i'm laughing too...all the way to the bank |
| 02:20.01 | subimage | :D |
| 02:20.04 | flamingspinach | if you bought bitcoins a year ago and are selling them now, you're going to make hella returns |
| 02:20.11 | flamingspinach | if you buy them now, prepare for the crash though |
| 02:20.15 | subimage | i'm not buying |
| 02:20.18 | subimage | but thx for the pointers |
| 02:20.31 | flamingspinach | I meant more for superstraw :P |
| 02:20.52 | jamescarr | anyway to run an upstart service as non-sudo? |
| 02:21.04 | superstraw | c.r.e.a.m. |
| 02:21.30 | jamescarr | cream? |
| 02:21.41 | superstraw | cash rules everything around me |
| 02:22.34 | superstraw | i have to wait to see the bitcoin video, i took apart my speakers tonight to find a loose connection |
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| 02:23.17 | subimage | anyone got a good link for usb install? |
| 02:23.23 | subimage | i need to make a usb key this one doesn't have a cdr |
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| 02:24.06 | UraniumAnchor | Does anybody know why a module wouldn't be able to find the _kstrtol symbol when I try to modprobe it? I'm running 2.6.38-2 i686 |
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| 02:24.31 | UraniumAnchor | the easycap module, specifically |
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| 02:24.35 | c0dex- | hi |
| 02:24.49 | c0dex- | help, wine warining t appears that libnss-mdns is installed on your system, but lib32nss-mdsn is not. please note that wine will note be able to access the internet unless you either install lib32nss-mdsn (or ia32-libnss-mdns), or uninstall libnss-mdsn. |
| 02:24.50 | jamescarr | anyway to run an upstart service as non-sudo? |
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| 02:28.05 | jamescarr | I give up |
| 02:28.09 | jamescarr | I'll run it in sudo |
| 02:30.54 | gnarface | subimage: the new 6.0 (squeeze) cd images can be dd'd to a usb device and booted from without alteration. its no longer something that requires a howto |
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| 02:31.04 | NuclearMeltdown | I ran grub-install and It erased the Debian and debian recovry menu |
| 02:31.07 | NuclearMeltdown | now I have nothing |
| 02:31.14 | NuclearMeltdown | I ran update-grub but that didn't put it back |
| 02:31.23 | NuclearMeltdown | It put back the graphical screen but it was still grub shell |
| 02:32.54 | subimage | gnarface: rad thanks |
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| 02:34.10 | spersaud | !testing |
| 02:34.10 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 02:44.32 | tgies | <jamescarr> anyway to run an upstart service as non-sudo? |
| 02:44.42 | tgies | no good way (upstart is terrible) |
| 02:44.51 | tgies | but uh |
| 02:46.00 | tgies | exec su -c 'exec whatever' user |
| 02:46.04 | tgies | in your script |
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| 03:37.53 | flamingspinach | why does apt think this is upgradeable? http://pastebin.com/WS9HJAwB |
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| 03:38.49 | flamingspinach | according to the manpage for apt_preferences, a priority of <= 100 and > 0 "causes a version to be installed only if there is no installed version of the package" |
| 03:39.15 | republican_devil | isnt aptitude used on stead of apt now? |
| 03:39.16 | republican_devil | or? |
| 03:39.34 | flamingspinach | apt is the name of the package system as a whole; apt-get and aptitude are two frontends to it |
| 03:39.59 | republican_devil | ah |
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| 03:41.23 | tgies | <flamingspinach> why does apt think this is upgradeable? http://pastebin.com/WS9HJAwB |
| 03:41.30 | tgies | i don't think this is what you meant to link |
| 03:41.42 | flamingspinach | lol you're right |
| 03:42.00 | flamingspinach | http://pastebin.com/Svbz4jKz |
| 03:42.21 | flamingspinach | (I'm still confusing x selection with the clipboard like an idiot) |
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| 03:44.33 | stew | flamingspinach: because 0.9.95-7+b1 > 0.9.95-7 |
| 03:45.07 | flamingspinach | but it has priority 100, which according to `man apt_preferences` should make it not install unless there is no installed version of the package, right? |
| 03:46.13 | stew | no |
| 03:46.20 | stew | unless there is a version available belonging to some other distribution or the installed version is more recent |
| 03:47.16 | stew | flamingspinach: we'd strongly recomend against trying to mix stable testing or unstable |
| 03:47.28 | stew | stable *with* testing or unstable i mean |
| 03:47.54 | flamingspinach | what you just said is 100 < P <= 500 according to my man page |
| 03:48.07 | flamingspinach | oh, I'm running testing, nominally |
| 03:48.18 | flamingspinach | do you mean then that I should remove stable from my sources.list? |
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| 03:48.49 | stew | ah, right i missed < vs <= |
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| 03:51.34 | flamingspinach | so that doesn't explain why it's marked upgradable |
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| 03:55.27 | NuclearMeltdown | Is it impossible to clone a hard drive with grub2? |
| 03:55.59 | NuclearMeltdown | Grub cant find device 123512-1234A-34B4-532C-2315D-1235BF |
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| 05:01.23 | republican_devil | baldurs gate is an awesome game |
| 05:01.25 | republican_devil | linux version? |
| 05:02.45 | tensorpudding | no |
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| 05:03.45 | wols | republican_devil: runs fine in WINE |
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| 05:04.21 | BlehTM | ;_; |
| 05:05.09 | BlehTM | help a linux beginner.... I'm trying to overclock my video card and I get "AMDOverdriveCtrl: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.14' not found" |
| 05:05.17 | BlehTM | any ideas? |
| 05:05.28 | sam0all | backports.debian.org has been down for a while. Does anyone know any status? |
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| 05:11.47 | djszapi | Hi! How can it be that I have a Build-Depends entry in my debian/control file, but the package built just fine even if the dependencies are not installed ? Shouldn't it stop the building process in that casae ? |
| 05:11.51 | djszapi | * case, even. |
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| 05:14.20 | sam350 | solved: http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-backports/ |
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| 05:25.40 | pluc | Hey! I'm trying to bind my touchpad's "right mouse click" to a keyboard button using xmodmap -e "keycode 135 = Pointer_Button3".... but for some reason, after executing, the key doesn't do anything. Any ideas? |
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| 05:28.44 | stew | pluc: that is telling xmodmap to send a Pointer_Button3 when some key is pressed, which sounds like the opposite of what you actully want |
| 05:29.00 | pluc | Oh. That would make a lot of sense. |
| 05:29.02 | pluc | Let me try. |
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| 05:29.48 | pluc | No, actually |
| 05:30.07 | pluc | What I want is to be able to press keycode 135 and have it do a right click. |
| 05:30.12 | pluc | So that's the right format, no? |
| 05:30.47 | pluc | Besides, the opposite gives xmodmap: unknown command on line commandline:1 |
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| 05:31.59 | swilson06 | what's the dig command to get the zone for a domain? |
| 05:32.26 | pluc | swilson06: host <domain> |
| 05:32.29 | swilson06 | ie, i haven't setup bind in a while and i'm at a loss on google |
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| 05:34.10 | swilson06 | hummm, host isn't really doing it either |
| 05:34.27 | swilson06 | i guess i'll just type it and stop being lazy :) |
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| 05:36.46 | AngryBlackGuy | hey, has anyone used the new gnome #? |
| 05:36.49 | AngryBlackGuy | gnome3 |
| 05:37.04 | tensorpudding | tried it |
| 05:37.04 | AngryBlackGuy | how is it? is it like unity? because i HATE unity |
| 05:37.16 | tensorpudding | it's not really much like unity |
| 05:37.31 | tensorpudding | i like unity better |
| 05:37.38 | AngryBlackGuy | oh god |
| 05:37.43 | tensorpudding | in some ways |
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| 05:38.08 | tensorpudding | there are some similarities |
| 05:38.55 | AngryBlackGuy | i dont get the radical gui changes that are taking place across the board |
| 05:39.00 | tensorpudding | driven by a big menu that takes up the screen, having a dock on left |
| 05:39.02 | AngryBlackGuy | unity, gnome3 windows 8 |
| 05:39.04 | swilson06 | i need to find a picture of a filthy toilet to make a default background for default installs with unity. i just haven't found a toilet filthy enough to get my point across :) |
| 05:39.43 | tensorpudding | unity isn't on-topic here, otherwise i'd argue with you about it |
| 05:39.45 | swilson06 | AngryBlackGuy: yeah, i also don't get kde4 |
| 05:40.09 | AngryBlackGuy | the people at my job use rhel so i thinking of putting a fedora install on one of my machines so im sort of on the same page |
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| 05:41.01 | tensorpudding | gnome 3 excised a lot of stuff |
| 05:41.42 | tensorpudding | who knows if it will get put back in |
| 05:41.57 | AngryBlackGuy | oh vey |
| 05:42.22 | stew | i don't ever use any kind of fancy ui like those, but I must admit that the number of people in here that seem to hate gnome 3 and unity so completely have really made me want to check it out :) |
| 05:42.31 | stew | not enough to actually do anything about it or anything, though |
| 05:43.16 | tensorpudding | i haven't been able to judge gnome 3 fully though, just running fedora 15 inside a vm, the performance wasn't so good |
| 05:43.42 | AngryBlackGuy | how is fedora15? |
| 05:44.09 | tensorpudding | i like systemd |
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| 05:44.34 | tensorpudding | there's not much else notable about it |
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| 05:46.10 | AngryBlackGuy | nothing notable? it sucks? |
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| 05:46.58 | tensorpudding | no, i mean |
| 05:47.26 | tensorpudding | it's nothing to write home about |
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| 05:51.03 | Trewas | smartphones are popular, therefore all desktops should look like smartphone GUIs... that seems to be the main idea behind gnome3/unity |
| 05:51.44 | tensorpudding | neither of them resemble touch interfaces |
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| 05:52.28 | tensorpudding | a real touch interface just won't work with the window-centric design of gnome |
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| 05:54.34 | Trewas | at least the app "menus" (grid of large icons) are quite phone-UI like, windows not so much but unity was originally designed to have all applications fullscreen |
| 05:54.39 | BlehTM | when i enter "locate libstdc++.so" is it normal for /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 to appear but not /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6 ? |
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| 05:55.20 | tensorpudding | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.42 | BlehTM | oh... so that means... lib64 just points to lib and doesn't have any unique contents? |
| 05:57.40 | republican_devil | burp |
| 05:58.42 | republican_devil | I love iceWM |
| 05:58.51 | republican_devil | seamonkey browser |
| 05:58.53 | republican_devil | pidgin |
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| 06:00.51 | BlehTM | tensorpudding: "/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.14' not found" <- does this make any sense to you, if i have libstdc installed and when i run the program amdoverdrivectrl i get this error? |
| 06:01.22 | somiaj | it seems to be looking for an exact version, maybe you don't have the right version? |
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| 06:04.12 | somiaj | BlehTM: what libstd versions do you have installed? |
| 06:04.38 | BlehTM | somiaj: that makes a lot of sense... i have libstdc++.so.6.0.13 |
| 06:04.51 | somiaj | BlehTM: on google form said libstdc++6-4.5 fixed the problem (though I'm translating the fedora name) |
| 06:05.35 | somiaj | BlehTM: apt-cache search libstdc++6 or dpkg -l | grep libstdc to see what version you ahve installed |
| 06:08.32 | BlehTM | The second one seems to be saying "ii libstdc++6 4.4.5-8" |
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| 06:12.01 | BlehTM | somiaj: so i assume that means i have 4.4 which is somehow old |
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| 06:14.30 | BlehTM | somiaj: any suggestions on the best way to upgrade? i would have thought i would have the newest version as i just downloaded + installed debian yesterday o_o |
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| 06:15.02 | BlehTM | i'm very new to linux as you can see :P |
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| 06:21.44 | wols | BlehTM: what program are you trying to run that needs this special libstdc++ ? |
| 06:22.15 | wols | ,versions libstdc++6 |
| 06:22.17 | judd | Package libstdc++6 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.6.0-10; sid: 4.6.0-12 |
| 06:23.02 | BlehTM | wols: AMDOverdriveCtrl |
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| 06:24.46 | wols | I can download AMDOverdriveCtrl source from sf.net but I can't find any binary. so download it and compile it as the programmers of the software obviously intended |
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| 06:27.21 | BlehTM | wols: I downloaded this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/amdovdrvctrl/files/deb binaries/amdoverdrivectrl_1.2.0_amd64.deb/download |
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| 06:29.50 | wols | this was compiled under unstable or testing most likely. not made for you |
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| 06:31.58 | BlehTM | wols: you... may be completely right |
| 06:32.03 | linux-fox | laughs... |
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| 06:32.32 | BlehTM | -_- |
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| 06:46.13 | BlehTM | somiaj: Thanks a lot for the help, I learned a lot today despite most of it being from running in circles banging my head against the wall and begging for help |
| 06:47.01 | BlehTM | Turns out I was downloading a version a couple weeks old that "needed testing" with features i didn't need |
| 06:47.09 | BlehTM | downloaded previous version, works perfectly :D |
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| 07:05.14 | Andorin | I recently reset a flash drive's partition table and filesystem on my laptop. As root I ran the following commands: shred -v -n 1 /dev/sdb; fdisk /dev/sdb; mkfs.ntfs /dev/sdb. The drive will not automount on my laptop because apparently my user account doesn't have the right permissions, but it automounts on my desktop. How to fix this? |
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| 07:07.21 | Andorin | Okay, apparently it's doing it with both of my flash drives, which were reset in the same manner. Both systems are running Squeeze. |
| 07:08.55 | wols | Andorin: it's the way your automounter mounts them. how you created thentfs volumes has nothing to do with it: linux doesn't care about permissions on ntfs, it ignores them and sets a global permission for the whole filesystem |
| 07:09.22 | wols | Andorin: you shouldn't create ntfs partitions on debian btw. if you use ntfs you use it cause you also use windows. use windows to create them |
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| 07:10.20 | Andorin | wols: If I were to replace the ntfs filesystem with, say, ext3, would that solve the problem? (I just use ntfs out of habit and in case I need to interface with a Windows computer at some point, but it's not necessary.) |
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| 07:11.05 | wols | yes cause then the full linux permissions will work. e.g. you can actually set different permissions on the filesystem, something you can't do right now |
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| 07:11.29 | Andorin | Okay, I'll try that... |
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| 07:11.35 | wols | or you fix your automounter. btw: ntfs is pretty slow to access under linux, a lot slower than ext3, tho since this is a usb stick it might not matter |
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| 07:12.25 | Andorin | I don't know what changes I could have made to the automounter on my laptop, though |
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| 07:14.30 | Andorin | wols, it's auto-mounting now... thank you. I do wish I knew enough about the auto-mounting system to have understood and fixed the problem. |
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| 07:15.48 | wols | there are several different ways to automount and each is configured differently |
| 07:16.08 | R1ck | hm, is backports.debian.org down? |
| 07:16.20 | kish | hey guys! i'm having serious trouble getting hostapd to work |
| 07:16.59 | kish | there's no config file in /etc/hostapd in debian |
| 07:17.05 | kish | there is one for ubuntu |
| 07:17.06 | Andorin | R1ck: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/backports.debian.org says it's down |
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| 07:17.46 | R1ck | hrm |
| 07:18.15 | R1ck | always that one minute of the month where you really need it.. :P |
| 07:18.18 | vtts | R1ck, its obsolete |
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| 07:19.09 | R1ck | how can you tell, you don't know what I want with it :) |
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| 07:20.17 | wols | < sam350> solved: http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-backports/ |
| 07:21.29 | vtts | R1ck, just try http://<any-mirror-address>/debian-backports |
| 07:22.06 | kish | where's my god damn /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf ????? |
| 07:22.18 | R1ck | sweet, thanks wols && vtts |
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| 07:23.48 | R1ck | awesome, works like a charm |
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| 07:34.17 | Cisien | how stable is wheezy (in general, i know it's testing) |
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| 07:38.05 | cahoot | Cisien, varying |
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| 07:48.09 | aminpy | what's the difference between "apt-get remove" and "apt-get purge"? |
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| 07:49.04 | olafkewl | aminpy: purge will also remove config files |
| 07:49.34 | aminpy | olafkewl, just this? |
| 07:50.22 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:51.07 | olafkewl | aminpy: check the manpage but i'm pretty sure of this |
| 07:51.26 | aminpy | thanks |
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| 07:53.03 | deepy | I'm on an ubuntu livecd, can I Somehow install Debian to my USB stick? |
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| 07:54.15 | aminpy | what does "contrib non-free" do in sources list file? |
| 07:54.38 | olafkewl | as they are called : contrib is for contributors |
| 07:54.45 | olafkewl | and non free are non free software |
| 07:54.54 | Cisien | as in patent encumbered |
| 07:54.57 | Cisien | usually |
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| 07:55.49 | jelly-home | !tell aminpy about contrib |
| 07:55.54 | jelly-home | !tell aminpy about non-free |
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| 07:56.21 | Cisien | dist upgrade from squeeze to testing ... *holds breath* |
| 07:56.51 | jelly-home | olafkewl: you might want to read "/msg dpkg contrib" as well |
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| 07:57.46 | kish | why the fuck aren't default config files installed with aptitidue |
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| 07:59.28 | kish | /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 07:59.29 | kish | This file has a lot of examples to look through, |
| 07:59.31 | kish | no, zero |
| 07:59.35 | kish | http://debianclusters.org/index.php/DHCP_Server |
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| 07:59.41 | kish | what have you done to this distro |
| 08:00.51 | Arrowmaster | try in /etc/dhcp |
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| 08:02.26 | kish | nevermind |
| 08:02.31 | kish | aptitude install dhcp3-common |
| 08:02.39 | kish | oh thanks |
| 08:02.44 | kish | i didnt even think of that |
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| 08:03.00 | tdn | I have blocked some kernel modules by writing lines in format "alias MODULE off" in /etc/modprobe.d/mods-settings.conf, however, I still se the modules with lsmod. What gives? What do I do wrong? My config file is here: http://paste.adora.dk/P2094.txt |
| 08:04.02 | Arrowmaster | use "blacklist MODULE" |
| 08:04.04 | wols | !blacklist |
| 08:04.05 | dpkg | In lenny and later, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 08:04.55 | tdn | Arrowmaster, ah, ok. |
| 08:05.09 | tdn | Must the filename be /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf? |
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| 08:05.41 | tdn | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 08:05.41 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run 'update-initramfs -u' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 08:06.36 | wols | it's not a module setting you want to change is it? help to keep things in clearly named places |
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| 08:13.06 | tdn | wols, I am just interested in knowing if the filename MUST be the above, or if it will work if I call it otherwise. For instance /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bluetooth.conf |
| 08:13.23 | tdn | So I have all bluetooth related modules disabled in one file. |
| 08:13.23 | Arrowmaster | its just has to end with .conf |
| 08:13.33 | tdn | Arrowmaster, ok. Thought so. Thanks. |
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| 08:14.23 | tdn | I think I read somewhere that the recommended way of disabling ipv6 was to use the alias method. |
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| 08:14.37 | tdn | alias ipv5 off |
| 08:14.41 | tdn | s/5/6/ |
| 08:15.34 | wols | tdn: /msg dpkg nopiv6 |
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| 08:21.39 | Ikarus | with the latest Xorg update DDC/EDID has stopped working for me on the radeon driver |
| 08:21.55 | Ikarus | and my screen is now trying to burn my eyes out with the vesa mode of 1024x768@60Hz |
| 08:22.11 | Ikarus | anyone got an idea to get it to work again |
| 08:22.23 | Ikarus | or is able to give me a mode line for 1600x1200@85Hz |
| 08:22.47 | R1ck | mode lines are so 1990's |
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| 08:23.57 | Ikarus | R1ck: and making sure EDID works is so 2001 appaerently |
| 08:25.58 | R1ck | Ikarus: are you not just using a broken driver? |
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| 08:27.03 | tdn | wols, the blacklist msg from dpkg is a bit ambigous: does it mean that I should try and use "blacklist MODULE" but that it does not work for all modules. And I should then try 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf' if it doesn't work for a particular module? |
| 08:27.05 | Ikarus | R1ck: well, it is in unstable |
| 08:27.08 | Ikarus | and it used to work |
| 08:27.12 | Ikarus | so likely |
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| 08:27.34 | tdn | wols, or will blacklist MODULE always work for lenny or later? And the other is just for older versions of debian? |
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| 08:30.30 | mbruins | i just installed debian squeeze on a verry old laptop. works pretty good the only problem is that xorg doesnt fill my whole monitor screen. only a small centered window. i already eddited the console size in grub. |
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| 08:31.34 | Cisien | cool |
| 08:31.47 | Cisien | dist-upgrade didn't break :) |
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| 08:34.33 | mbruins | any suggestions? |
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| 08:42.48 | wols | mbruins: X -configure and after that edit manually |
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| 08:43.38 | wols | tdn:yes that is what it means |
| 08:43.57 | Ikarus | mmmm, modeline sort of works, other then the fact I'm now seeing weirder bugs |
| 08:44.02 | tdn | wols, ok |
| 08:45.20 | tdn | wols, well... Which one of the statements is what it means? 1) That is will work for SOME modules and others must be blocked by the /bin/true method? OR 2) that the "blacklist MODULE" method will always work on all modules for lenny and later versions of debian? |
| 08:46.14 | wols | tdn: is there any problem to just doing it? |
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| 08:47.42 | tdn | wols, yes, I need to know which one it is. I am working on a configuration management system. I need to be sure that the mechanism for disabling modules will work. |
| 08:48.08 | tdn | wols, when you said: "tdn:yes that is what it means", did you mean 1 or 2 from the above? |
| 08:49.18 | mbruins | wols: thanks |
| 08:49.27 | wols | the way it's supposed to work is 2 |
| 08:49.43 | tdn | wols, ok. Thanks. |
| 08:50.35 | tdn | Then I guess the dpkg message for noipv6 needs to be updated. It says: To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf |
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| 09:11.24 | RainbowW | i'm running a 9x2tb raid6 array. currently one drive is listed as "removed" and has been re-added as an inactive spare. one other drive has been listed as spare rebuilding, after a failure. http://pastebin.ca/2077217 How do I get sdc1 into rebuild from here? |
| 09:11.56 | ayambit | how do i install debian on existing partition without formatting? |
| 09:12.05 | ayambit | *refomatting |
| 09:12.22 | RainbowW | ayambit, expert install, manual partition setup, set stuff to do not format. |
| 09:12.31 | ayambit | RainbowW: thanks a lot |
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| 09:14.26 | ayambit | another question, maybe you have and idea |
| 09:14.30 | ayambit | *an |
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| 09:14.41 | ayambit | I 've got a box with damaged root filesystem. |
| 09:15.18 | ayambit | I can't copy files from debian livecd because on the box was installed debeean wheezy which is old and not updated. |
| 09:15.35 | ayambit | And kernel versions and libraries won't match. |
| 09:15.49 | ayambit | Still, I want to somehow reanimate the box without reinstalling |
| 09:16.03 | ayambit | Any ideas? |
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| 09:17.00 | republican_devil | doh |
| 09:17.17 | tdn | ayambit, an alternative method is mounting from livecd and using debootstrap to install. |
| 09:18.13 | tdn | ayambit, please elaborate on "damaged root filesystem". Also, what to you want to achieve by reanimating it? |
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| 09:18.49 | tdn | ayambit, maybe it is enough to chroot into the image? |
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| 09:19.05 | ayambit | tdn: there was a disk failure and after fsck some files like grub modules or kernel modules or system libraties are just missing. |
| 09:19.35 | ayambit | tdn: I think you're right. |
| 09:19.52 | ayambit | I just should copy all modified files like configs in root fs and reinstall the system. |
| 09:19.55 | ayambit | Thanks. |
| 09:20.11 | webad13 | how can I negate replace expression with sed? I would like to specify what I do not want to replace instead of specifying all the things that I would like to replace |
| 09:20.15 | webad13 | [^0-9] works perfectly when I only want to keep numbers |
| 09:20.21 | webad13 | now how do I do the same thing for any expression |
| 09:20.24 | RainbowW | and wheezy is old and not updated? huh? |
| 09:20.45 | ayambit | RainbowW: it got kernel 2.26-something. |
| 09:20.55 | ayambit | sorry |
| 09:20.57 | ayambit | 2.6.26 |
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| 09:21.56 | devinthl | Something really weird is happening here. I'm using wheezy and whenever I move my mouse around the bottom-right corner of the screen, something hogs the cpu. Does anyone have an idea of what might be going on? |
| 09:22.38 | RainbowW | devinthl, what does top tell you? |
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| 09:23.09 | devinthl | It's Xorg. I'm using the proprietary ATI driver, by the way. |
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| 09:23.25 | RainbowW | so open a terminal ... or use gtop or something. |
| 09:23.40 | devinthl | No, I mean, Xorg is what's hogging the CPU. |
| 09:24.13 | RainbowW | oh. get a 580 instead? ;-) |
| 09:24.23 | devinthl | What's a 580? |
| 09:24.31 | RainbowW | an nvidia card. :) |
| 09:24.49 | devinthl | It's really weird, it's like a 100x100 pixels box in the bottom-right corner... |
| 09:24.54 | RainbowW | they run in the neighborhood of $600 :) |
| 09:25.12 | devinthl | The card is fine, I don't need another one. |
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| 09:25.41 | RainbowW | if you say so. i get lots of complaints about buggy ATI drivers. |
| 09:26.14 | devinthl | Yes... well, I did have to hack the driver because I'm using 2.6.39 and it didn't compile right away. |
| 09:26.39 | devinthl | But it's such a funny bug I thought maybe something else was to blame. |
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| 09:27.40 | Dewi | devinthl: could try a different driver or desktop environment |
| 09:27.56 | wols | devinthl: what radeon car? |
| 09:27.59 | wols | *card |
| 09:28.01 | devinthl | The environment is fine, and the free driver doesn't work well with this card. |
| 09:28.14 | devinthl | HD 5450 |
| 09:28.39 | wols | there should be no real reason you can't use the free drivers |
| 09:28.48 | Dewi | devinthl: you can't isolate a fault if you don't swap things out |
| 09:29.24 | devinthl | I don't even use a real environment... |
| 09:29.50 | wols | what do you mean "real environment"? |
| 09:29.50 | devinthl | wols, the free driver doesn't work well with this card. I can't go back to the ttys, for instance. |
| 09:30.49 | devinthl | I use openbox, but the problem happens in a "raw" X session as well. |
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| 09:31.07 | Dewi | devinthl: with absolutely nothing but an xterm? |
| 09:31.17 | devinthl | yeh |
| 09:31.56 | Dewi | does sound like the video card, but I can't think why it cares where your cursor is |
| 09:32.16 | devinthl | I know, right?! One of the funniest bugs I've seen. |
| 09:32.35 | devinthl | That's why I was doubting it's the driver... but there's no other explanation I guess. |
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| 09:46.56 | BlehTM | when a script is placed in /etc/init.d/ and set up with "update-rc.d blah defaults", when exactly does it start? I'm trying to run a script that depends on ati drivers and stuck figuring out why it isn't doing anything :/ |
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| 09:47.10 | BlehTM | at startup |
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| 09:49.18 | ham5 | pretty sure a link has to be placed in the approiate rc?.d folder |
| 09:49.26 | ham5 | rcS perhaps in your case |
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| 09:50.17 | BlehTM | i set it up with update-rc.d blah defaults which is supposed to make it start in 2-5 |
| 09:50.37 | BlehTM | run levels 2-5 |
| 09:50.41 | ham5 | links in those folders? |
| 09:50.45 | BlehTM | yep |
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| 09:51.08 | ham5 | run the script manually? |
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| 09:52.03 | BlehTM | i'll be running a minecraft server and bitcoin miner while i'm in puerto rico, want to get everything running at startup :P |
| 09:52.43 | BlehTM | i'm not sure if i'm going about this properly or if there's a better way to do this |
| 09:53.21 | korhojoa | BlehTM, haha, i'm going to belgium |
| 09:53.24 | korhojoa | and i'm doing the exact same thing |
| 09:53.35 | ham5 | well if you cant get it to run manually your going to have a hard time at startup... if you do it in a terminal mabey you can see errors... |
| 09:53.36 | BlehTM | Lols nice |
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| 09:53.44 | petemc | test |
| 09:53.47 | babilen | BlehTM: You are probably missing LSB tags (/msg dpkg missing lsb tag) which you would want to declare in your init script if it depends on other services. Please also read /etc/init.d/README and base your script on /etc/init.d/skeleton (/msg dpkg init.d) |
| 09:53.52 | BlehTM | oh ham5: The script works if i run it manually |
| 09:54.01 | BlehTM | babilen: Yes it says that! I assumed it was just a warning |
| 09:54.25 | ham5 | pff;\ |
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| 09:55.57 | BlehTM | so dependencies... oh man this will be fun as i have a very shallow understanding of my system heh |
| 09:56.04 | tuxcrafter | i am having backports.debian.org:http: |
| 09:56.14 | tuxcrafter | connection issues to ^ a lot lately |
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| 09:56.17 | Bushmills | pap2 |
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| 09:56.42 | ham5 | BlehTM you have those tags in your script or not? |
| 09:56.47 | Bushmills | sry. wrong window |
| 09:56.49 | BlehTM | nope i don't |
| 09:56.57 | bs0d | Good day everybody. I have opened an ssh port on the router, but still host is not accessible from the WAN, nevertheless hosts on LAN can freely access the server. Does something block the incoming connections inside Debian ( default installation & configuration ) ? |
| 09:56.58 | BlehTM | working on it |
| 09:57.08 | ham5 | copy from another file in the same dir should get you close ;) |
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| 09:58.24 | R1ck | bs0d: what do you see when you `telnet yourserver 22` from the WAN? |
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| 09:58.31 | BlehTM | every time i modify it i don't have to redo the linking do i ham5? |
| 09:58.40 | themill | petemc: no, can't explain that; but seems to be sorted now. |
| 09:58.45 | petemc | does, cheers |
| 09:58.54 | ham5 | no |
| 09:59.10 | ham5 | it should just be the one file in your init.d folder |
| 09:59.41 | BlehTM | right |
| 09:59.41 | Alvo | hi, i have some harddisk problems, does linux write down harddisk problems (smart)? |
| 09:59.44 | wols | bs0d: debian by default doesn't use any paketfiltering. but the concept of "default" is just not applicable on debian installations |
| 10:00.13 | bs0d | R1ck: It sais telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 10:00.22 | ham5 | Alvo: smart is on your harddrive is has nothing to do with your os |
| 10:00.28 | wols | Alvo: no. SMART never writes down problems except when you do a smart test and then on the harddisk itself. if the kernel can't read or write to a disk, it will write it into the logs however |
| 10:00.44 | R1ck | bs0d: so the port on the router is not correctly configured |
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| 10:00.47 | ham5 | you need the smartd to read it tho |
| 10:00.50 | petemc | bs0d: sounds like your port forwarding isnt working |
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| 10:01.01 | wols | ham5: smartctl is fine for it |
| 10:01.08 | ham5 | true |
| 10:01.53 | Alvo | hm isnt log smart warning the best way? how can i enable that? |
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| 10:02.53 | R1ck | tuxcrafter: yes its been down a lot today, you can probably use <your favorite mirror>/debian-backports |
| 10:03.19 | wols | Alvo: it's not the best way. you can install smartmon-tools and configure them however |
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| 10:05.14 | nlko | how do i get cron to run every minute? i have "1" in the minute field but its being run every 10 minutes |
| 10:05.33 | petemc | * |
| 10:05.44 | nlko | also, im using crontab -e to edit cron, should i be editing /etc/crontab or is that the same thing? |
| 10:05.47 | nlko | petemc: thanks |
| 10:05.58 | thelastninja | why squeeze has renamed the eth0 to Ethernet0 ? |
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| 10:06.20 | thelastninja | are they the same or have different responsibilities ? |
| 10:06.24 | jargon- | anyone using xfce4-power-manager 1.0.10-3 on squeeze? |
| 10:06.30 | jargon- | backported,of course |
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| 10:07.36 | nlko | petemc: should i be using crontab -e, or adding files to cron.d? |
| 10:07.36 | thelastninja | another question : why squeeze has renamed interfaces to interfaces.old in /etc/network and does not use it ? what is the philosophy behind this ? |
| 10:08.12 | RainbowW | thelastninja, did you upgrade to squeeze? |
| 10:08.18 | petemc | nlko: crontab -e edits your users crontab , its a matter for yourself which one you use |
| 10:08.34 | thelastninja | RainbowW: yes, I have dist-upgraded from lenny to squeeze about 2 months ago |
| 10:08.46 | RainbowW | thelastninja, my guess is that the .old file is a backup. |
| 10:08.46 | petemc | personally, i put all my stuff in /etc/crontab |
| 10:09.10 | wols | thelastninja: it hasn't? |
| 10:09.12 | thelastninja | RainbowW: no , because there is not a new interfaces there, to say it is the newer one |
| 10:09.29 | thelastninja | wols: there is not a new interfaces file threre |
| 10:09.34 | wols | thelastninja: check you /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 10:09.52 | thelastninja | lets see.. |
| 10:09.55 | nlko | petemc: ok, just in /etc/crontab you need to specifiy the user yes |
| 10:09.59 | nlko | cool |
| 10:10.32 | thelastninja | wols: yes there is that file, speaking about "eth0" and "eth1" |
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| 10:11.00 | thelastninja | wols: but that does not seem to be a good place for users to modify options |
| 10:11.54 | wols | thelastninja: configuration of a system is not job of any user. there are admins for that |
| 10:12.00 | thelastninja | RainbowW, wols ; another point is that after I have upgraded to squeeze my "lo" interface has been disabled by default and I have to enable it by hand, each time i reboot |
| 10:12.10 | thelastninja | yes I mean admin user |
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| 10:12.22 | wols | thelastninja: the kernel and udev are the only places where your "eth0" interface can become "Ethernet0" |
| 10:12.26 | Alvo | hm smartd logs in syslog :( |
| 10:12.47 | Alvo | <wols> thx i enabled smartd from that now |
| 10:12.55 | thelastninja | wols: NetworkManager seems to have taken control of my networks and has renamed that |
| 10:12.55 | wols | thelastninja: somehow I don't believe anything you say. where do you see this "Ethernet0" exactly and how do you find out there is no "lo"? |
| 10:13.17 | RainbowW | thelastninja, sounds like something stupid ate your system. my squeeze system (fresh install, not an upgrade) has /etc/network/interfaces in the usual location. |
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| 10:13.52 | wols | even upgrades don't eat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:14.06 | jargon- | anyone using xfce4-power-manager 1.0.10-3 on squeeze? backported? |
| 10:14.18 | RainbowW | wols, ergo "something stupid" :) |
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| 10:14.55 | wols | !tell jargon- about anyone |
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| 10:15.28 | thelastninja | wols, RainbowW : 1) I have no "interfaces" file there, 2) when I use "Edit Connections" in NetworkManager, I have both an eth0 and Ethernet0 with same mac and also "lo" ; 3) when I run "ifconfig" I see only eth0, not lo, not Ethernet0 |
| 10:16.06 | thelastninja | when I run "ifconfig lo up" then lo appears |
| 10:16.42 | RainbowW | then i'm back to my "something stupid" theory. sadly, however, i will not find out what it is, as it's time for me and my furry pussy to go to bed. (she says meow.) |
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| 10:17.00 | tuxcrafter | R1ck: thx! http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian-backports/ works! |
| 10:17.05 | wols | dpkg renames config files only to "dpkg-old" and only via user intervention. And how network-manager displays interfaces has nothing to do with real interfaces. it can use any designation it wants |
| 10:17.05 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, wols |
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| 10:18.43 | R1ck | tuxcrafter: thanks to vtts, really ;) |
| 10:18.58 | tuxcrafter | wel vtts thxnk you! |
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| 10:23.23 | bs0d | Guys, he-he, I got the answer to my problem - services were not running!! But it created the new question: now to make a daemon autorun upon boot? I googled and used update-rc.d <service> default, but its not working for some reason |
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| 10:25.58 | thelastninja | bs0d: try update-rc.d servicename defaults |
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| 10:40.23 | eagles0513875 | hey guys where can isee a list of repo sizes of debian unstable? |
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| 10:42.13 | acemi | 56 cd for i386 |
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| 10:43.06 | wols | eagles0513875: /msg dpkg dstats |
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| 10:44.18 | eagles0513875 | wols: what version will taht give me the stats for |
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| 10:44.49 | eth01 | whats the new replacement package for openssh-server? noticed it doesn't exist anymore |
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| 10:45.17 | ham5 | your high |
| 10:45.44 | eagles0513875 | wols: that doesnt tell me repository size though how many gb's the respective sid repos are |
| 10:45.51 | babilen | ,versions openssh-server |
| 10:45.52 | judd | Package openssh-server on i386 -- lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6; wheezy: 1:5.5p1-6; sid: 1:5.8p1-4 |
| 10:46.10 | eth01 | it says to me it no longer exists.. |
| 10:46.11 | eth01 | :- ) |
| 10:46.11 | thelastninja | eth01: but it exists |
| 10:46.43 | eagles0513875 | eth01: you tried maybe running sudo apt-get update |
| 10:46.44 | babilen | eth01: It might rather be due to your configuration. What does "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy openssh-server" give you? |
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| 10:47.03 | babilen | !tell eth01 -about bat |
| 10:47.25 | bs0d | Still doesn't work, maybe the problem is in the script. Please take a look, maybe there are some errors http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?00ht4ssio96t |
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| 10:47.59 | bs0d | This is no-ip daemon invocation script. It does not agree to start automatically, starts only manually by command /etc/init.d/noip start |
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| 10:49.57 | ham5 | you have no runlevels in your script bs0d im pretty sure update-rc isgoing to put the links in the proper place |
| 10:49.58 | thelastninja | bs0d: the script is running /usr/local/bin/noip2; does that program really exist ? |
| 10:51.03 | bs0d | ham5: I have run update-rc.d noip defaults several times, but this script does not start automatically :( |
| 10:51.06 | babilen | bs0d: Any particular reason why you don't backports the package from sid? (/msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 10:51.17 | ham5 | bs0d i just told you your script dosent have runleves in it |
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| 10:51.32 | ham5 | update-rc will do nothing |
| 10:51.58 | bs0d | ham5: which runlevel should I use for this script invocation? 3 ? |
| 10:52.06 | ham5 | 17 |
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| 10:52.12 | ham5 | idk |
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| 10:53.00 | bs0d | babilen: I am newbie in debian and linux, I did not know it exist in packages, I have searched synaptic but there was no such or similar package |
| 10:53.37 | eagles0513875 | guess nobody knows the link to the page on the debian site that lists sid repository sizes? as im thinking of mirroring one of the repos for a personal project of mine |
| 10:53.49 | babilen | bs0d: Well, follow the ssb factoid and grab the package from sid and build it against squeeze. |
| 10:53.59 | ham5 | so whats the original problem |
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| 10:54.26 | babilen | eagles0513875: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size what you are looking for? |
| 10:54.43 | eagles0513875 | babilen: :D ty |
| 10:54.55 | babilen | np :) |
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| 10:55.24 | eagles0513875 | babilen: is it ok if i want to i just clone the source repo? |
| 10:55.56 | babilen | eagles0513875: Sure, you can do whatever you want it is your repository ;) |
| 10:56.09 | babilen | eagles0513875: Look into debmirror and reprepro |
| 10:56.17 | eagles0513875 | hahah mind reader |
| 10:56.21 | eagles0513875 | was bout to ask you about reprepro lol |
| 10:56.25 | babilen | heh :) |
| 10:56.42 | wols | wth is timsieved not starting? |
| 10:57.22 | eagles0513875 | babilen: is that list for sid repos? |
| 10:58.05 | babilen | eagles0513875: Hmm, good question :-\ (might be all suites) |
| 10:58.31 | eagles0513875 | all i really want is the source then ill repackage things i want out of there |
| 10:59.28 | eth01 | babilen: policy returns 0, nothing there. i am sure openssh-server is now called something else on squeeze |
| 10:59.52 | eth01 | (it doesn't see openssh-server)! |
| 11:00.27 | babilen | eth01: Please, provide the information from the <bat> factoid. I have it installed on sid and it *is* in squeeze. |
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| 11:03.07 | eagles0513875 | ssh is a must have that will never vanish |
| 11:05.29 | eagles0513875 | O_O what happened to dpkg where did it go :( |
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| 11:05.36 | babilen | eagles0513875: relax |
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| 11:06.50 | eagles0513875 | babilen: thought i offended the bot :p |
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| 11:08.25 | thelastninja | eth01: would you please run "apt-cache search openssh | grep openssh" and show the result in pastebin ? |
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| 11:11.47 | babilen | eth01: hmm? |
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| 11:13.46 | eth01 | i sorted it, was my sources.list |
| 11:13.56 | thelastninja | :) |
| 11:14.11 | eth01 | added stable main contrib :-) |
| 11:14.22 | babilen | No, don't do that. You want "squeeze main contrib" in there not "stable" |
| 11:16.03 | ayambit | Ho do I dump live fs in linux& |
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| 11:16.05 | ayambit | ? |
| 11:17.51 | wols | filesystem dependent IIRC |
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| 11:19.42 | ayambit | ext3 but i don't think is IS dependent |
| 11:19.46 | ayambit | i could use dd or dump |
| 11:19.47 | ayambit | or tar |
| 11:19.52 | ayambit | which is better? |
| 11:19.58 | ayambit | or even cpio |
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| 11:23.13 | wols | ayambit: for some reason or other xfs has a xfsdump utility |
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| 11:33.28 | swilson06 | what has replaced these: sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jdk sun-java6-jre ? |
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| 11:34.35 | wols | swilson06: nothing. they're still there |
| 11:34.45 | wols | ,versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 11:34.47 | judd | Package sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.24-1~squeeze1; sid/non-free: 6.25-3; wheezy/non-free: 6.25-3 |
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| 11:35.52 | swilson06 | good call. no non-free repos :) |
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| 11:40.46 | BlehTM | Ok so I dropped a working script in /etc/init.d, however it needs java and ati drivers to work. Simple? Not simple? |
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| 11:46.05 | wols | why would a script need java and fglrx? |
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| 11:46.41 | wols | java is no problem but ati drivers? does it mean the script has a GUI? |
| 11:47.46 | babilen | ... probably better to start it when the x server is up in that case |
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| 11:51.04 | BlehTM | wols: It's an overclocking utility, I *assume* it needs the ati drivers loaded |
| 11:51.12 | BlehTM | babilen: That sounds like what I want to do... yeah |
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| 11:52.43 | BlehTM | how would i tell it to start when x server is up? |
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| 11:53.12 | babilen | BlehTM: Just run it from whatever-autostart or ~/.xsession |
| 11:54.46 | BlehTM | Oh. I can just use startupapplications |
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| 11:55.25 | BlehTM | Lol I love this I'm spending a ton of times going in totally wrong directions but learning along the way |
| 11:55.51 | babilen | heh :) |
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| 12:19.58 | flam_ | hi, flashplayer broke yesterday and i'm trying to fix it. when i'm trying to re-install flashplugin-nonfree i get "#629417 - update-flashplugin-nonfree --install fails on i386 (sha512sum rejected)" as a grave bug. how should i go on about solving this? i'm using wheezy |
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| 12:20.35 | deepy | gah, what do I need to do to get the nvidia driver to work :E? |
| 12:20.42 | flam_ | i tried browser-plugin-gnash but it doesn't support swf videos |
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| 12:22.27 | wols | !tell deepy about nvidia dkms |
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| 12:23.04 | wols | !tell flam_ about wheezy |
| 12:23.41 | flam_ | ok, this channel is only for stable version of debian? |
| 12:26.01 | deepy | That's the exact same steos that I followed! |
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| 12:26.19 | daniel-s | steps even! |
| 12:26.34 | wols | !tell deepy about errors |
| 12:27.18 | deepy | I'm very much just whining |
| 12:27.31 | deepy | But Xorg complains about the module missing and modprobe complains about .ko missing |
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| 12:32.59 | BlehTM | where do you guys keep small programs you download? like a minecraft server jar? just curious |
| 12:33.43 | jordanm | BlehTM: I have a ~/games directory with all my static compiled games |
| 12:33.52 | wols | BlehTM: usually /usr/local or /opt |
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| 12:34.55 | jordanm | personally, I use my home directory for all that stuff on my single-user desktop, because I only backup /home |
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| 12:37.08 | BlehTM | yeah so far i've been dumping everything into documents |
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| 12:37.17 | BlehTM | but it feels... wrong heh |
| 12:37.40 | wols | yes, another way is to create a ~/bin or ~/games |
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| 12:38.29 | BlehTM | yeah i think i'll do something like that |
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| 12:42.09 | deepy | oh lovely, the .ko DOES exist |
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| 13:08.02 | orudie | I downloaded a program which is .run extension. How can I install it ? |
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| 13:10.16 | thelastninja | orudie: if that is an executable file, just run it in a command line with proper permissions |
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| 13:10.19 | dkr | I have a peculiar memory discrepency after oom-killer killed off several procs. adding up the RSS column of ps axv I get 712MB. but free -m says 1506 used and 1134 used without cache/buffer |
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| 13:11.29 | orudie | thelastninja, chmod +X filename ? |
| 13:12.07 | dkr | could the oom-killer cause that? oops, typo 1334 used without cache. I can understand being a bit off due to shared mem and the like, but not 600MB off |
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| 13:12.39 | thelastninja | orudie: that could be, or chmod 777 or 755 or +x or other ways.. |
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| 13:16.23 | wols | dkr: against which process would ps axv count libc6? |
| 13:16.49 | wols | dkr: memory byte counting in systems with shared libraries and virtual memory is simply futile |
| 13:17.13 | zai | why can't I "su www-data" (apache user), although the user has a valid shell set in /etc/passwd ? *confused* (debian lenny) |
| 13:17.20 | jordanm | zai: what error do you get? |
| 13:17.50 | zai | jordanm, none. it writes "exit" write away and I'm back to root |
| 13:17.59 | zai | *right |
| 13:18.22 | wols | zai: works for me |
| 13:18.32 | zai | weird... hm |
| 13:18.38 | jordanm | zai: sounds like you broke its line in /etc/passwd. what is the shell? |
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| 13:18.58 | zai | www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh |
| 13:18.59 | dkr | wols: yeah, but I still don't expect a 600MB discrepency |
| 13:19.02 | wols | zai: could be some bash config file for www-data writes the "exit"? |
| 13:19.29 | thelastninja | zai: as wols said, possibly you force "exit" command in it's bash script file |
| 13:19.30 | zai | wols: hm... maybe an apache config |
| 13:19.42 | wols | zai: I doubt that |
| 13:19.46 | zai | ok, looking |
| 13:20.03 | jordanm | zai: does su -s /bin/sh www-data work? |
| 13:20.16 | wols | zai: its home directory is /var/www, what is in /var/www? what files? |
| 13:20.54 | zai | jordanm: thx! that works |
| 13:21.22 | zai | wols, no hidden config files in there |
| 13:21.41 | jordanm | zai: check auth.log |
| 13:22.22 | tsanhwa | hi, I am using lftp to connect to a ftp server on windows, I can login, if I try to list the directory, it would say "Delaying before reconnect". so is there some settings that I try ? |
| 13:22.55 | zai | jordanm: where can I find it? |
| 13:23.18 | jordanm | zai: /var/log |
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| 13:26.30 | zai | jordanm: says "Successful su for www-data by root" and "+ pts/4 root:www-data" and "pam_unix(su:session): session closed for user www-data". though the modified command by you works for me for what I'm looking for :) thx very much! |
| 13:26.43 | jordanm | zai: np |
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| 13:30.44 | zimbres | hi, I am using apt-cache search to search for a package called pgf, it is on the repository. Now I want to know which version of it is there, how to do it? |
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| 13:32.56 | thelastninja | zimbres: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 13:34.42 | hosler | i need some serious help getting mydns to start at bootup |
| 13:35.02 | abrotman | which version of the package? what's the error ? |
| 13:35.43 | hosler | abrotman: no error. its a remote server so i cant see what it saying at boot. hold on ill lookup the version # |
| 13:36.04 | zimbres | thelastninja: ok, I am reading the manual 2.1 of pgf, and it says it can be installed with apt-get install, but I only see the 2.0 version on the repository. |
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| 13:36.53 | hosler | abrotman: mydns-1.2.8.31 |
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| 13:37.50 | jordanm | hosler: that doesn't appear to be in debian |
| 13:38.08 | thelastninja | zimbres: does it suggest any special repository ? because my squeeze main for amd64 only has version 2.00 |
| 13:38.18 | hosler | jordanm: i downloaded the source |
| 13:38.36 | abrotman | hosler: then maybe you should ask them |
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| 13:38.54 | jordanm | hosler: then you will need to write your own init script to get it to start on boot. see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 13:39.01 | abrotman | hosler: what's wrong with the mydns package in Debian ? |
| 13:39.08 | themill | CannotSendToChan: you should be able to now... |
| 13:39.08 | jordanm | abrotman: I don't see one? |
| 13:39.16 | jordanm | ,versions mydns |
| 13:39.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mydns' was found in i386. |
| 13:39.22 | hosler | jordanm: i have an init script |
| 13:39.22 | jordanm | ,file mydns |
| 13:39.23 | abrotman | used to be .. i thought |
| 13:39.26 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 13:39.43 | CannotSendToChan | test |
| 13:39.46 | hosler | http://howtoforge.com/installing-mydns-ng-and-mydnsconfig-on-debian-squeeze |
| 13:39.59 | yow | hi there. i'm using debian squeeze and i wish to install msql-server-5.0, however, the one provided by squeeze is 5.1 but not 5.0. I need 5.1 because i have a production server which is using lenny+mysql-server-5.0. i wonder how i can install mysql-5.0 on squeeze. also, is there any drawback by not using 5.1? |
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| 13:40.08 | themill | petemc: ^^ that solves our little mystery earlier too. |
| 13:40.19 | CannotSendToChan | themill: thanks |
| 13:40.22 | zimbres | thelastninja: it only says "The command âaptitude install pgfâ should do the trick. Sit back and relax.". |
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| 13:40.48 | iluminator101 | syntax error: unknown group 'crontab' in statoverride file |
| 13:40.48 | iluminator101 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 13:40.52 | jordanm | yow: 5.0 -> 5.1 is a fairly safe upgrade, just make sure to backup your dbs first and test |
| 13:40.52 | yow | is it possible to install mysql-server-5.0 via apt on squeeze? |
| 13:40.56 | thelastninja | probably that is not for debian, may be for ubuntu or others |
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| 13:41.28 | zimbres | thelastninja: I supose apt-get and aptitude use the same repository ... |
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| 13:41.43 | hosler | well thanks for all your help |
| 13:41.44 | thelastninja | zimbres: yes that is correct |
| 13:41.47 | hosler | #join mydns |
| 13:42.06 | jordanm | yow: if you are importing the DBs from an existing 5.0 install, you can upgrade them using mysql_upgrade |
| 13:42.12 | yow | jordanm, thx for your prompt reply, i thought of that but at the moment, i reckon i better not to upgrade the server. so, is it possible to install mysql-server-5.0 on squeeze, preferrably via apt |
| 13:42.54 | thelastninja | zimbres: does the manual speak about install in a debian machine or other linux ? |
| 13:42.54 | AbleToSendToChan | hi, i have a question. I'd like to start a program on a remote computer using ssh and that program should be able to access the x server on that machine. I do not want X11 forwarding. I want to launch a regular locally controlled process via ssh |
| 13:43.11 | jordanm | yow: why upgrade to squeeze at all if you are not willing to upgrade to squeeze packages? if you are not ready to make the jump, stick with lenny |
| 13:43.46 | AbleToSendToChan | is away for one minute |
| 13:43.46 | wols | AbleToSendToChan: set the DISPLAY variable and xauth and it will work |
| 13:43.53 | Iridos | I would like to change inkscapes "open file" (and save file) behavior to use the "current directory" inkscape was called from. It's driving me bonkers that it always either uses $HOME or in some previously used directory... Do you know if the file open dialog of inkscape is something inkscape-specific or does it a) use a common library or b) file-open dialogs are handled by the WM in some way? |
| 13:43.59 | wols | AbleToSendToChan: please turn that off when you want to stay here |
| 13:44.21 | yow | jordanm, the server is still using lenny but i wish to install 5.0 on my squeeze laptop as i need to do some development/programming |
| 13:44.58 | yow | jordanm, i reckon what im trying to achieve is the reverse of "back-port" |
| 13:45.06 | wols | Iridos: even when it uses gnome's dialog (WM has nothing to do with it), you can normally define what starting dir to use when you call the dialog |
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| 13:45.59 | wols | yow: just install it. however since you can have only one mysql server. all programs using it must be OK with that. that basicallymeans: no squeeze program which needs mysql |
| 13:46.12 | yow | jordanm, thx for telling me about mysql_upgrade, it's something new to me, never heard of it b4, i'll study it later |
| 13:46.17 | AbleToSendToChan | ok, well, then how do I read environment variables from a particular process? |
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| 13:46.41 | Iridos | wols, hm, if not the wm... that's a property of the DE? duh... I used to just run a plain WM without any of that stuff... do you know how to influence that behavior? It's specially stupid when I call something like "inkscape somefile.svg", then want to save a copy as pdf and that's saved in some unexpected place |
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| 13:46.54 | AbleToSendToChan | afaik, I can't know what I need to set xauth to without reading environment variables |
| 13:47.02 | yow | wols, ic. actually, that's one of the things crossed my mind that might happen |
| 13:47.03 | wols | AbleToSendToChan: cat /prcc/<processid>/environ |
| 13:47.05 | petemc | themill: ahah, cheers |
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| 13:47.25 | AbleToSendToChan | wols: thx |
| 13:47.36 | zimbres | thelastninja: the manual speaks about installing on debian |
| 13:47.37 | wols | AbleToSendToChan: if you login to ssh via the same user as the one running X, setting the DISPLAY variable is all you need |
| 13:47.39 | yow | wols, after some brief checking, i think perhaps some software on my squeeze still using the 5.0 mysql stuff |
| 13:48.41 | wols | yow: usually packages that need mysql will specifiy the squeeze mysql and woN't install |
| 13:48.45 | yow | wols & jordanm, in general, i wonder if there's anyway to install packages from lenny or even etch on squeeze, wheezy or sid. is there any "official", proper or safe mechanism in debian? |
| 13:49.02 | wols | yow: there cannot be |
| 13:49.22 | yow | wols, i think those packages were installed b4 i upgraded my laptop from lenny to squeeze last year |
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| 13:49.51 | themill | yow: what sort of development are you planning to do? |
| 13:49.53 | yow | wols, if you are certain of that, then, that actually is one of the possible answer im after |
| 13:49.54 | wols | yow: if they are debian packages, they have been upgraded to squeeze |
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| 13:50.29 | wols | yow: you asked for a safe mechanism and there cannot be one. backports aren't "safe" either |
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| 13:51.22 | wols | Iridos: it's a property of the program. sometimes, ig a program belongs to a DE and the DE has development guidelines it is a DE setting of sort. but you can always override that by patching the source of the program and recompile |
| 13:51.37 | thelastninja | zimbres: until squeeze it is version 2.0, if you want version 2.1 you must add wheezy repositories to your sources.list |
| 13:52.11 | wols | Iridos: and if you are really lucky there is a setting somewhere, e.g. gconf or anything equally obscure where you might be able to change the setting to your liking. isn't it nice how DEs in Linux repeated the registry mistake? |
| 13:52.19 | AbleToSendToChan | thanks everyone |
| 13:52.21 | AbleToSendToChan | bye |
| 13:52.27 | thelastninja | ,versions pgf --arch amd64 |
| 13:52.28 | judd | Package pgf on amd64 -- lenny: 2.00-1; squeeze: 2.00-1; sid: 2.10-1; wheezy: 2.10-1 |
| 13:52.46 | yow | themill, i have the 5.0 server and wish to write some tcp apps to access (select, insert, update, etc.) the server. and i won't want to compile my apps on the server but on my squeeze instead. hence, i wish to have 5.0 on my squeeze too, so that i'll be more confident of my code will not cause havoc to the server |
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| 13:53.35 | Iridos | wols, ok... so it's always part of the program, but that might use a common library... (I wondered if there was some way to delegate those menus to the WM to get a uniform look for those menus).. |
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| 13:54.26 | wols | stuff like gnome and kde have common open dialogs of course. but it's never a WM thing |
| 13:54.27 | Iridos | wols, I guess that behavior comes from the programmers assumption that the program was started from some menu in the window manager... they forgot the commandline and that's why the current directory plays no role :-/ |
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| 13:55.45 | wols | Iridos: one could always start it by doubleclicking a .svg file which is the same as running from xterm. the program should accomodate that |
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| 13:56.10 | yow | wols, since u mention it, actually, im rather puzzled, because i have mysql-client-5.0 installed on my lenny but when i upgraded to squeeze, it had not been upgraded to 5.1! i only found out today! when i tried to install mysql-server-5.0, apt-get told me that mysql-client-5.0 will be removed and mysql-client-5.1 will be installed instead. so, do u know why mysql-client-5.0 was not upgraded when i upgraded my lenny to squeeze? |
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| 13:56.44 | shoko_asahara | hi |
| 13:56.47 | Iridos | wols, hm... but that would give the svgs full path as an option and not change current directory... but good thinking... as I never double-click anything (not using any type of file manager besides bash), I didn't think of that at all |
| 13:56.50 | wols | yow: either your mysql wasn't installed from lenny (3rd party repo) or you didn't upgrade properly |
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| 13:57.00 | nbprashanth | Hi. Is there a debian packaging channel? |
| 13:57.08 | shoko_asahara | is there any library that implements Multicast MADCAP client-side???? |
| 13:57.15 | yow | wols, i sort of ware of possible conflicts with some current packages by back-ports apps |
| 13:57.16 | themill | yow, wols: not upgrading the mysql packages properly from lenny to squeeze is quite common |
| 13:57.27 | Iridos | yow, perhaps because you didn't do "full-upgrade" (formerly called dist-upgrade), but just "safe-upgrade"? |
| 13:57.35 | wols | themill: any special reason for it? |
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| 13:57.48 | themill | wols: yeah, they changed the package name -- there is no upgrade path |
| 13:58.01 | yow | themill, ic, thx for the info, i think i agree with u |
| 13:58.17 | wols | ouch! they constantly do dummy packages for this kind of thing. why not this time? |
| 13:58.18 | yow | Iridos, i often perform `apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 13:58.46 | yow | Iridos, when i upgrade from lenny to squeeze, i altered the apt sources list. i think what i did was "proper". |
| 13:59.23 | themill | wols: I think the maintainer believed that the mysql-server and mysql-client metapackages would be enough, but they are not. Add a soname bump to the libraries as well and there's and apt just doesn't feel the need. |
| 13:59.57 | yow | Iridos, sorry for my poor language, what i meant to say is i perform `apt-get dist-upgrade' on regular basis (from time to time) |
| 14:00.03 | Iridos | yow, well, dunno then why that didn't catch mysql... oh... possibly you didn't have the upgradeable meta-packages installed |
| 14:00.29 | yow | Iridos, what are "upgradeable meta-packages"? |
| 14:00.30 | themill | Iridos: it's not an upgrade, that's why |
| 14:00.50 | Iridos | yow, if you only have mysql-server-5.0, but not mysql-server installed, that won't upgrade automatically |
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| 14:01.32 | Iridos | themill, exactly... only the metapackage is an upgrade and the rest happens via dependencies... just realized shortly before you said that about the meta-packages to wols :) |
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| 14:02.16 | yow | Iridos, i have mysql-client-5.0 installed but neither mysql-server-5.0 nor mysql-server is installed. |
| 14:03.23 | Iridos | themill, but that means you can have mysql-server-5.0 installed next to mysql-server-5.1 ... only you can't run them both, because they try to use the same port(s) |
| 14:03.26 | yow | Iridos, do u mean when i install mysql-server on my squeeze later, i should specify `apt-get install mysql-server' instead of apt-get install mysql-server-5.1'? |
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| 14:04.15 | yow | Iridos, afaik, mysql-server is "empty". |
| 14:04.29 | wols | Iridos: same config files too |
| 14:05.09 | yow | Iridos, hence, for squeeze, mysql-server == mysql-server-5.1. correct me if im wrong |
| 14:05.10 | themill | Iridos: no, you can't have both the -5.1 and -5.0 packages installed, so you just end up with lenny's mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0 packages kicking around. Upgrading would require removing packages and apt would prefer not to do that. |
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| 14:06.02 | themill | (that you can't have both the -5.1 and -5.0 packages installed makes me wonder what the point in having versioned package names like that is... and if the version number wasn't in the package name, this whole problem would go away) |
| 14:07.23 | yow | themill, i think one can specify only "mysql-server" to avoid any unforeseen problem or hassles created by the version numbering. |
| 14:09.08 | Iridos | oh, right... Conflicts: mysql-server (<< 5.1.56-1) |
| 14:09.17 | yow | themill, Iridos, wols & jordanm, is it safe to download and install the .deb for mysql-server-5.0 (without install the 5.1) on squeeze? |
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| 14:09.28 | Iridos | er, no Conflicts: mysql-server (<< 5.1.56-1), mysql-server-4.1 |
| 14:09.56 | Iridos | that's mysql-server-5.1 ... so that only conflicts with the meta-package, not with mysql-server-5.0 itself |
| 14:10.52 | Iridos | yow, I think wols already answered that... the consequence is that you cannot have programs installed in squeeze that need mysql-server-5.1 |
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| 14:11.42 | yow | Iridos, sorry, forgot about that. thx for reminding me |
| 14:12.25 | themill | Iridos: check the conflicts for mysql-server-core-5.1 |
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| 14:12.59 | yow | themill, Iridos, wols & jordanm, thx you all for your help and advice, i think i'll install 5.1 on my squeeze via apt and develop my apps for the 5.0 server. i hope the problem will be minor of better if 100% compatible. thx again. |
| 14:13.08 | Iridos | themill, fairysnuff |
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| 14:18.40 | Iridos | wols, perhaps it's not even got anything to do with the command line... if you have a file loaded as svg and then do "save a copy as..." (e.g. pdf), the obvious directory to save it in is the directory that you loaded/saved the svg from, not $HOME |
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| 14:24.43 | Alfil_Kamikaze | alguien habla español? |
| 14:24.51 | Iridos | !es |
| 14:24.51 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 14:25.07 | Alfil_Kamikaze | thank you |
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| 14:28.12 | Iridos | wols, hm... there's a preference, which is by default enabled... ... "Use current directory for \"Save As ...\"" When this option is on, the \"Save as...\" dialog will always open in the directory where the currently open document is. When it's off, it will open in the directory where you last saved a file using that dialog. |
| 14:28.28 | Iridos | and also enabled for me... so it's a bug, not bad design |
| 14:29.20 | Iridos | mmmh... was a bug... switched the option off and on again, now it's the correct directory |
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| 14:30.13 | AL13N_work | i have a question, i had received email that http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2240 was going to be fixed for oldstable (soon), but i still can't see anything regarding this? |
| 14:30.27 | AL13N_work | it's been more than 2 weeks now |
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| 14:31.49 | AL13N_work | anyone know how i can contact security team? |
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| 14:33.49 | Iridos | that page lists >10 different problems... which of them do you mean? |
| 14:33.52 | wols | AL13N_work: http://www.debian.org/security/#contact |
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| 14:34.17 | Iridos | clicking on ya couple of the CVE entries at random, I didn't hit any that needs fixing for 2.6.32-34squeeze1 |
| 14:34.33 | Iridos | of course, there's so many... |
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| 14:36.22 | AL13N_work | wols: thanks |
| 14:36.48 | AL13N_work | Iridos: were you speaking to me? |
| 14:36.56 | Iridos | yes |
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| 14:37.12 | AL13N_work | Iridos: if you do, on the bottom of the link, it mentions that it's built for squeeze, but not yet for lenny |
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| 14:37.40 | AL13N_work | and usually when such a thing happens the lenny binary is there the next 2 or 3 days |
| 14:37.58 | AL13N_work | but now it's been more than 2 weeks, so i'm worried it might have been forgotten |
| 14:38.19 | Iridos | wols, *sigh* and I hate language preferences... the link you gave him is displayed in German for me... |
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| 14:39.05 | Iridos | ah, there's a link to switch language |
| 14:39.09 | themill | Iridos: debian.org is just respecting your browser settings |
| 14:39.11 | wols | Iridos: then configure your browser properly. I'm a german in germany and it display in english for me |
| 14:39.49 | Iridos | themill/wols I know it's respecting that... what I mean is, I hate the whole system of browser configuration |
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| 14:39.57 | wols | only shitty websites, like say, google don't respect that |
| 14:40.14 | Iridos | I want pages that are natively in German in German and pages that are natively in English in English... |
| 14:40.54 | AL13N_work | so, anyone knows anything about this security issue in question? is it pending? |
| 14:40.59 | Iridos | it's just as weird to go to someplace.de and read things in really crappy english as it is to go to debian.org and get german text |
| 14:41.46 | Iridos | AL13N_work, ah, indeed didn't see that comment at the bottom of the page |
| 14:42.09 | AL13N_work | kind of important for me :-) |
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| 14:43.01 | ayambit | i have a box which i want to use as virtual machines host |
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| 14:43.08 | ayambit | now i'm thinking how to partition disk on it |
| 14:43.37 | ayambit | i think make one partiotion for system and another for virtual hard disks images |
| 14:43.39 | ayambit | and swap |
| 14:43.43 | ayambit | and that's it |
| 14:43.55 | ayambit | or should i do more sophisticated partition |
| 14:43.57 | ayambit | ? |
| 14:44.17 | Iridos | possibly separate /home |
| 14:44.32 | ayambit | there won't be anything in /home |
| 14:44.42 | ayambit | is'll just be wm's host |
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| 14:47.47 | yow | it again. does anyone here know how to change the double-click (select) back to its "old" behaviour? I remember it use to select words including dash, underscore, etc. however, all the browsers seem to change that where the selection will stop at dashes, underscore, etc. i don't even know what keyword to use to google for (if any) solution. |
| 14:47.57 | dawud | ayambit: what virtualization stack? |
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| 14:48.58 | Herp | hi guys i am having issues with the default flash player |
| 14:49.07 | pipeline | ayambit: that's totally reasonable, but I would probably use /var instead of /home for that. You may also want to split /var in two: one mount for your VMs specifically, a second mount for /var itself, for logs etc |
| 14:49.14 | Herp | i tried installing adobe flash player, but the browser cannot detect it it seems |
| 14:49.20 | Herp | what should i do? |
| 14:49.25 | Black_Prince | !flashplayer |
| 14:49.25 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash http://youtu.be/wNf9rEPoc8Q |
| 14:49.32 | Black_Prince | !adobe flash |
| 14:49.32 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
| 14:49.33 | pipeline | Herp: give up -- flash is terrible on linux and easily exploited |
| 14:49.35 | ayambit | dawud: i'm thinking about kvm |
| 14:49.40 | ayambit | debian with kvm |
| 14:49.55 | ayambit | and maybe this thing for management: http://www.proxmox.com/downloads/proxmox-ve/iso-images/87-proxmox-ve-1 |
| 14:50.02 | Herp | pipeline: yeah, but i like youtube |
| 14:50.15 | Herp | any ideas? |
| 14:50.35 | dawud | ayambit: in my case, I use KVM too, and I have the OS over RAID1+LVM2, I use two disks for the main OS and two different disks to host the storage pool for the VMs |
| 14:51.39 | Black_Prince | Herp, look at dpkg's factoid about flash player ... |
| 14:51.53 | pipeline | Herp: Use youtube's html5 trials as much as possible, and live without videos that aren't available under that beta. |
| 14:52.11 | pipeline | Herp: flash is a security nightmare and it doesn't work very well |
| 14:52.38 | pipeline | Herp: it's slow, it hangs X11 regularly, it uses crude overlays such that all black colors on the system including your screensaver may contain the flahs video etc |
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| 14:52.48 | pipeline | Herp: if it doesn't work for you, consider that a blessing ;) |
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| 14:53.21 | Black_Prince | pipeline, I am using adobe flash player for linux since version 9, and nothing what you said ever happened |
| 14:53.26 | dkr | yow: go to about:config filter on "select" toggle the preference layout.word_select.stop_at_punctuation that will include dashes, underscores, but unfortunately also include periods |
| 14:53.39 | pipeline | Black_Prince: my aren't you a fortunate individual |
| 14:53.41 | shundake | Hello there! |
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| 14:53.55 | pipeline | Black_Prince: mileage may vary. Enjoy your trouble-free motoring with your installed security nightmare :P |
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| 14:54.09 | Black_Prince | pipeline, I am enjoying ... |
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| 14:54.13 | joe6 | my system freezes sometimes. nothing helps. Ctl-Alt-Bksp or Ctl-Alt-Del or Ctl-Alt-F1 or any function keys do not respond. The only way to recover is to press the power button. I checked the logs and I do not see anything on them. |
| 14:54.19 | yow | dkr: thank you very much for your reply!!! :). let me check now! |
| 14:54.27 | joe6 | but, everytime this happens, the raid-1 seems to get out of synt |
| 14:54.34 | joe6 | s/synt/sync/ |
| 14:54.34 | shundake | Somebody may help me with an audio HDMI device that cannot output any sound? |
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| 14:54.56 | joe6 | any suggestions on how to go about diagnosing the issue |
| 14:54.58 | ayambit | dawud: so be it, i'll go with kvm |
| 14:55.40 | dawud | ayambit: you might find libvirt and virt-install useful too |
| 14:56.19 | ayambit | dawud: i'm thinking if i should 1) go with proxmox or 2) just install debian and configure anything by hand |
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| 14:57.14 | ayambit | %s/enything/everything |
| 14:57.23 | dawud | ayambit: I did my setup from scratch, it's not difficult |
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| 14:57.45 | ayambit | dawud: I know that it isn't |
| 14:57.57 | ayambit | I just want some powerful graphical management tools |
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| 14:58.21 | ayambit | I can use ssh -X for virt-manager for example |
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| 14:58.40 | dawud | ayambit: is that powerful enough? |
| 14:58.45 | ayambit | I need to make many virtual machines |
| 14:58.50 | dawud | ayambit: for your needs, I mean |
| 14:59.03 | cognitiaclaeves | I installed squeeze on a VM using the latest install CD ( first CD option on the download page ) ... I've got apt hitting the internet successfully, and have enabled the lines for the internet repos, and added 'contrib non-free' to the ends ... but the package manager still seems to be 'broken' ... can't find either screen or jed, and breaks when I try to install apache2. .. What am I missing? |
| 14:59.08 | dawud | ayambit: many? 10? 50? |
| 14:59.13 | ayambit | I need something powerfull in this case |
| 14:59.14 | ayambit | about 40 |
| 14:59.26 | dawud | ayambit: are you on a blade or sth? |
| 14:59.37 | cognitiaclaeves | I queried #dpkg , but didn't find what I was looking for ... |
| 14:59.42 | ayambit | dawud: I'm in testing phase now. |
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| 14:59.56 | ayambit | I think it'll be just supercharged serverr |
| 14:59.58 | ayambit | Not blade |
| 15:00.52 | dawud | ayambit: I guess you need to make some calculations on provisioning 40 VMs |
| 15:01.09 | ayambit | dawud: I did some estimates. |
| 15:01.27 | ayambit | Seems if I'll get a box with like 8 cores and 64 gb of ram it'll work |
| 15:01.56 | ayambit | I need to estimate memory bandwidth though |
| 15:02.12 | shundake | Anybody? |
| 15:02.13 | dawud | ayambit: 8 cores for 40 VMs? i7 I guess... |
| 15:02.33 | ayambit | dawud: it'll be server box it unit case, i dunno |
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| 15:02.44 | dawud | shundake: lspci for a start and try to find out if the module is being used |
| 15:03.04 | wols | ayambit: why not a VPS? |
| 15:03.21 | ayambit | wols: not applicable here |
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| 15:03.35 | ayambit | wols: it's not for me exactly |
| 15:04.16 | shundake | dawud: Well, I'm using the snd-hda-intel module |
| 15:04.41 | wols | well, 5 instances per core is a lot of VMs. I wouldn't fret about memory bandwith then. especially not on intel |
| 15:04.59 | wols | shundake: that won't work for hdmi. your videocard has a sound module as well |
| 15:05.10 | wols | shundake: that's the one you want to transmitting sound over hdmi |
| 15:05.12 | dawud | shundake: are you on X? start alsamixergui and check the vol levels |
| 15:05.13 | shundake | wols: Hum... |
| 15:05.21 | wols | shundake: what videocard is it? |
| 15:05.24 | ayambit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.28 | ayambit | I don't know |
| 15:05.36 | dawud | shundake: what wols said, there's a snd hdmi module IIRC |
| 15:05.36 | ayambit | Maybe I should increase my estimate |
| 15:05.37 | wols | ayambit: lspci will tell you |
| 15:05.40 | ayambit | And look to 16 cores |
| 15:05.55 | ayambit | Or cluster with 2 nodes |
| 15:06.01 | ayambit | 20 machines each 8 cores each |
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| 15:06.04 | shundake | dawud, wols : ATI R6xx HDMI (at HD-Audio Generic) |
| 15:06.07 | ayambit | Sound reasonable. |
| 15:06.10 | ayambit | *sounds |
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| 15:06.26 | wols | shundake: that's the soundcard you need to use for your videoplayer then |
| 15:06.40 | webad13 | when usin grep is it possible to tell it in one command (without pipes) to include certain patterns and to exclude certain |
| 15:06.49 | Guest35727 | hi |
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| 15:07.05 | wols | webad13: possibly with a regex |
| 15:07.23 | ayambit | webad13: see -v key |
| 15:07.31 | ayambit | it's for excluding |
| 15:07.47 | cognitiaclaeves | anyone else find that squeeze installs broken, out of the box? |
| 15:07.58 | wols | cognitiaclaeves: no |
| 15:08.10 | lusotux | cognitiaclaeves, hell no !!! |
| 15:08.11 | lusotux | :D |
| 15:08.11 | qzio | anyone else having problem with the mysql-server package in sid? |
| 15:08.12 | dawud | ayambit: webad13 wants to include and exclude in the same command |
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| 15:08.33 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm wondering what I did wrong, that I can't even install apache2. |
| 15:08.50 | wols | !tell qzio about sid |
| 15:08.52 | cognitiaclaeves | Seems unlike past versions of debian I've worked with ( lenny | etch ) |
| 15:09.02 | wols | !tell cognitiaclaeves about bat |
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| 15:09.36 | wols | cognitiaclaeves: first, check your sources.list if all that's needed is in there tho |
| 15:09.48 | rhenani_ | how can i burn a lot files in an iso image?? |
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| 15:10.14 | cognitiaclaeves | wols, I think so. Had to uncomment the internet mirror, and add "contrib non-free" ... that sound about right? |
| 15:10.25 | cognitiaclaeves | There's a paste utility that can be installed, right? |
| 15:10.26 | shundake | dawud, wols : Here my video card "ATI Technologies Inc Device 9802" |
| 15:10.26 | wols | cognitiaclaeves: not necessarily |
| 15:10.33 | wols | !pastebinit |
| 15:10.33 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 15:11.13 | shundake | dawud, wols : Here my video card "ATI Technologies Inc AMD Radeon HD 6310 GraphicsATI" (after update-pciids) |
| 15:11.14 | wols | shundake: amd e-350? |
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| 15:11.45 | wols | yes, e-350. probably not directly supported by squeeze since it came out after squeeze was frozen. I'd try a backport kernel |
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| 15:12.09 | cognitiaclaeves | wols: It's unable to locate package pastebinit. .. Or screen .. or apache2... or jed ... What repo could I be missing? |
| 15:12.55 | dawud | rhenani_: take a look at genisoimage and/or wodim |
| 15:13.02 | wols | cognitiaclaeves: then your sources.list is broken. what is the line for the debian main repository? |
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| 15:13.19 | rhenani_ | dawud: Ok i will |
| 15:13.35 | wols | cognitiaclaeves: there are two of those with main in there at least: the normal squeeze repo and the security repo for squeeze |
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| 15:14.01 | joe6 | ./WC |
| 15:14.02 | wols | rhenani_: do you have a gui? thre are several programs to burn stuff to CD for X |
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| 15:14.49 | wols | !tell cognitiaclaeves about sources.list |
| 15:14.56 | cognitiaclaeves | wols: Yeah .. I've got 4. ... oh.. that doesn't look right ... I have squeeze-updates and squeeze/updates uncommented with "main contrib non-free" |
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| 15:15.24 | wols | see what dpkg messaged to you |
| 15:15.55 | cognitiaclaeves | looking. |
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| 15:17.33 | babilen | !tell cognitiaclaeves -about squeeze-updates |
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| 15:18.57 | scampbell | I have been told that Debian has a form of load-balancing or ethernet bonding that does require configuration on the switch. has anyone else ever heard of this (it doesn't actually make sense to me but I'm checking) |
| 15:19.11 | scampbell | er, does not require switch config that is. |
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| 15:19.30 | cognitiaclaeves | None of that is helping. Would have paste-bin'ed by now, except it's non-gui in a VM window, unable to install pastebinit because it can't find it. ... gah. |
| 15:19.57 | wols | cognitiaclaeves: if it's in a VM, your host has a mouse and internet connection no? |
| 15:20.18 | wols | heck, make a screenshot of cat /etc/apt/sources.list and upload that |
| 15:20.20 | cognitiaclaeves | wols: Not so much of a mouse? But internet, yes. |
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| 15:20.32 | cognitiaclaeves | Ok. That I can do. |
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| 15:21.02 | wols | cognitiaclaeves: the dpkg message you got has a line in there you can put in your sources.list exactly like its written. |
| 15:21.06 | webad13 | ayambit: sorry I was out for a few minutes. Yes -v is fine to exlude everything except for some pattern. What I would like is first to find relevant sections and than to narrow it down by excluding certain words... now I know I can do it with pipe but I was wondering if there was a more "direct" solution |
| 15:21.34 | webad13 | wols: is there something like !regex in grep for exclusion? |
| 15:21.41 | wols | deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main is exactly what you need in there. later you can replace it with a mirror nearer you of your choice |
| 15:21.52 | cognitiaclaeves | wols: Yeah, I'll try that, then. |
| 15:21.58 | wols | webad13: regexes themselves can exclude |
| 15:22.10 | shundake | wols: amd hd 6310.. did you saw something about this video card? |
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| 15:22.17 | twobitsprite | cognitiaclaeves: or just make your sources.list look like this http://paste.debian.net/119341/ |
| 15:22.27 | wols | shundake: yes I did. read up what |
| 15:22.58 | cognitiaclaeves | wols, twobitsprite: Ok... that helped. I see what's wrong. |
| 15:22.58 | wols | twobitsprite: not everyone is a merkin... |
| 15:23.12 | twobitsprite | wols: s/us/<wherever> |
| 15:23.15 | twobitsprite | you get the idea |
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| 15:23.51 | wols | twobitsprite: no I don't. there is a reason the "cdn" thing was invengted |
| 15:24.01 | shundake | wols: Hum... I have no idea of what I can do to make it work... |
| 15:24.11 | wols | twobitsprite: and not every country has a debian mirror, sadly |
| 15:24.21 | wols | shundake: try a backports kernel |
| 15:24.27 | wols | !tell shundake about backports |
| 15:24.33 | twobitsprite | wols: look, I just posted my sources.list and with it cognitiaclaeves was able to see what was wrong with his... so stfu |
| 15:24.40 | shundake | wols: already compiled the latest driver from ati and latest alsa .... |
| 15:25.02 | twobitsprite | I get so tired of childish pedantry on IRC |
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| 15:25.29 | wols | yes, cause "stfu" is so mature. *sigh* |
| 15:25.40 | shundake | wols: ok. I'll try this! |
| 15:25.52 | wols | twobitsprite: cognitiaclaeves seems to by in cyrus. which doesn't have a debian mirror like the US most likely |
| 15:25.56 | wols | *be |
| 15:25.59 | dawud | gentlemen... |
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| 15:26.36 | Cisien | is there support in debian's network config for a dhcp v6 client (in testing/wheezy) |
| 15:27.03 | stew | cyrus, texas, usa? |
| 15:27.06 | cognitiaclaeves | wols: I used cdn. ... What helped about the pastebin was seeing that there was no reference at all for just 'squeeze' . |
| 15:27.14 | twobitsprite | wols: so you turn around and play "I know you are but what am I"? seriously, the point got across, he solved his problem... it was just a freaking example sources.list... I'm sure he's smart enough to replace the fqdn with his local mirror.. sheesh |
| 15:27.22 | wols | stew: cyrus mediterranean sea |
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| 15:27.30 | stew | cognitiaclaeves: you are in texas, usa? |
| 15:27.38 | cognitiaclaeves | yes, stew. |
| 15:27.57 | shundake | wols: thx man, I'll back later to say what happened |
| 15:28.14 | webad13 | wols: I've been looking around but still haven't found the solution. Could you give an example of regex exclusion in grep? |
| 15:28.33 | stew | webad13: grep -v ? |
| 15:28.59 | cognitiaclaeves | Ok. I'm in business. Thanks, guys. |
| 15:29.18 | webad13 | stew: -v will exclude everything but the word... I would like to find a word first and then exclude some |
| 15:29.28 | webad13 | stew: without using pipe |
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| 15:29.40 | flam_ | why you must do it without using pipes? |
| 15:29.41 | stew | its a nasty regex |
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| 15:30.05 | zgedneil | you could use sed |
| 15:30.07 | webad13 | flam_: well I was hooping for a more ellegant solution |
| 15:30.38 | webad13 | zgedneil: I do use it later on when it comes to real processing |
| 15:30.49 | webad13 | this is just for me to spot easily important parts |
| 15:31.17 | dawud | webad13: you can match sth _and_not_ sth by means of: egrep "foo.*[^b][^a][^r]". A pipe is easier though |
| 15:31.24 | zgedneil | I missed the start of this, what is it you're trying to do exactly? |
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| 15:31.41 | stew | webad13: if you want something like "asdf" which is not followed by "qwer" it would have to be something like "grep -E 'asdf ([^q]|q[^w]|qw[^e]|qwe[^r])'" |
| 15:32.08 | stew | and actually that's not enough, since that would fail to match "asdf q" |
| 15:32.10 | webad13 | stew: oh yeah, that is very nasty |
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| 15:32.22 | flam_ | not really an elegant solution when compared to piping imho |
| 15:32.28 | webad13 | flam_: agreed |
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| 15:33.01 | webad13 | why is there no (^foo), like there is [^0-9] |
| 15:33.24 | webad13 | that would make it much easier, at least for me |
| 15:33.25 | webad13 | :) |
| 15:33.33 | zgedneil | only if you're trying to do everything with regexps |
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| 15:33.50 | zgedneil | sometimes it's permissable to use, y'know, actual programs :-) |
| 15:34.27 | zgedneil | certainly this is screaming out for grep then grep -v, on some level (probably egrep though) |
| 15:34.54 | webad13 | zgedneil: hahah yeah, thing is - it is difficult to make a general program for what I have at hand |
| 15:34.56 | stew | perhaps this would be possible with something that uses a richer regexp, like perl or python, but I don't know how |
| 15:35.14 | webad13 | since I need to analize it as I go, and expressions change with every set of files |
| 15:35.27 | webad13 | SEC 10-k... :( |
| 15:35.46 | zgedneil | webad13: it's impossible for us, because you don't seem to be really saying what you want, just asking for help on a tiny part of it - it's like keyhole surgery where you're only allowed to use a fork |
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| 15:36.33 | webad13 | zgedneil: canibals would love it :) |
| 15:36.51 | zgedneil | so you're not actually going to say what you're trying to do then? |
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| 15:38.04 | webad13 | zgedneil: no it is a bit difficult to explain... ok what I am trying to do is to identify certain share issues from sec files (this is just one part of it). so I first search for issue then I would like to exclude certain words like employee plans, since I am not interested in ESOPs |
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| 15:38.24 | yow | dkr: Sorry for taking so long to reply. thx, layout.word_select.stop_at_punctuation does work for Iceweasel/FF. do u know how to alter the same setting for Epiphany, Chromium browser and Opera browsers? (Im using all of them) |
| 15:38.41 | webad13 | and I know I can do this with pipe, but there are many instances like this so I thought that there was a more ellegant solution than using pipes |
| 15:38.43 | bentleymt | What causes "ACPI Error: No installed handler for fixed event [0x00000000] (20100702/evevent-305)"? |
| 15:38.53 | webad13 | but I just realized that I better not use regex :) |
| 15:39.08 | bentleymt | A quick Google search does not seem to come up with much helpful information. |
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| 15:39.35 | bentleymt | Immediately after this, I lose all access to usb powered devices. |
| 15:39.53 | bentleymt | Currently using testing on a Toshiba Satellite laptop. |
| 15:39.53 | zgedneil | webad13: you're still only giving us one part of it, but on the face of it grep does sound appropriate |
| 15:40.08 | zgedneil | webad13: also this is not even close to being on-topic for #debian :-) |
| 15:40.20 | webad13 | :) |
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| 15:40.31 | webad13 | thank you for ur help, really appreciated |
| 15:40.32 | pif | hi, how can I turn my 3g-connected latop into a wifi hotspot? |
| 15:40.53 | pif | for other devices in my vacation home |
| 15:41.32 | dkr | yow: no. I just use iceweasel. too bad it doesn't let you choose the set of characters to use as delimiters like decent editors. :) |
| 15:42.47 | wols | pif: you need to turn your laptop into a WLAN AP with hostap and then simply use NAT to route the packets |
| 15:43.16 | pif | wols: will hostap work with any wifi chip? |
| 15:43.22 | wols | adhoc connections would work too |
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| 15:43.34 | wols | not any, afaik |
| 15:44.03 | yow | dkr: iirc, many (most? all?) browser have the same behaviour before but they all changed not long ago, probably last year or the year before. i don't like the new behaviour as it's very inconvenient when we try to double-click and select some URLs or words/phrases. |
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| 15:44.21 | wols | hostapd will work with mac80211 based drivers with support for master mode |
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| 15:46.03 | dkr | yow: it's another step in the windows-ification of unix. I still rue the day mozilla switched to ctl- rather than alt- :) |
| 15:47.26 | yow | dkr: ooo i didn't know that's the "cause"! never crossed my mind. hmm.... that's bad!!!!! i switched from windows... |
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| 15:49.17 | jeeger | Greetings! I ran out of space during an aptitude operation, and now aptitude refuses to work because the lock file is still present. I am asked to run dpkg-reconfigure -a to fix this. However, this fails when reaching cron (as per this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604163 bug). What can I do? |
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| 15:51.27 | jeeger | Using debian sid, btw. |
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| 15:55.23 | jeeger | oh, sorry for the wrong channel |
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| 16:00.36 | twobitsprite | inb4 !sid |
| 16:00.44 | twobitsprite | :P |
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| 16:01.52 | jeeger | twobitsprite: but unfortunately debian-next here is invite only, it seems |
| 16:02.06 | wols | jeeger: irc.debian.org different network |
| 16:02.26 | jeeger | ah, okay. thanks. Seems like I can't read properly... |
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| 16:11.18 | iridos | hm, there's a #debian-next here that is invite only? That's kind of wrong... single-# channels should be official |
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| 16:12.28 | Japeeh | I installed the package "kid3" and it forced me to install all kinds of useless packages |
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| 16:13.01 | Japeeh | now I don't know how to get rid of them since apt-get autoremove removes everything |
| 16:13.48 | Japeeh | is there a way to figure out what packages it installed like a log or something somewhere? |
| 16:13.56 | Japeeh | I used apt-get |
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| 16:14.19 | cahoot | look in /var/log |
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| 16:15.04 | wols | Japeeh: have you removed kid3 before running the autoremove? |
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| 16:15.22 | Japeeh | yes |
| 16:15.33 | Japeeh | wols yes |
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| 16:23.33 | twobitsprite | Japeeh: you should use aptitude, it will mark packages to be auto removed which were installed as dependencies |
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| 16:24.22 | twobitsprite | Japeeh: i.e., if you "aptitude install kids3" and it installs a bunch of junk, simply doing "aptitude remove kid3" will remove it and the depends it brought in |
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| 16:24.49 | babilen | apt-get does that as well, but that doesn't help if a metapackage has been/is going to be removed |
| 16:25.03 | twobitsprite | oh? I when did apt-get start doing that? |
| 16:25.10 | stew | version 7.0 |
| 16:25.15 | Japeeh | twobitsprite I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but it just has a bad habit of removing just about everything |
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| 16:25.24 | Japeeh | desktop, network tools etc |
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| 16:26.51 | babilen | Japeeh: Probably due to the removal of a metapackage such as "gnome". /msg dpkg remove rhythmbox -- to learn about ways to deal with this. It would also be helpful to see the actual output of your apt-get run |
| 16:27.11 | twobitsprite | shouldn't it only try to autoremove depends if they aren't depended on by anything else or weren't installed separately? |
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| 16:28.33 | themill | twobitsprite: that's exactly what it does, yes. |
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| 16:28.58 | twobitsprite | then why would it try to remove network tools? |
| 16:29.13 | babilen | twobitsprite: yeah, I *assume* that those packages were installed as a dependency of, say, the "gnome" metapackage which you removed. This means that no package depends/recommends any of the packages that "gnome" dependended upon, so they are scheduled for removal. |
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| 16:29.53 | stew | twobitsprite: perhaps "network tools" means network-manager |
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| 16:29.55 | twobitsprite | babilen: well, I'm talking about Japeeh's problem... he says when he removes kid3 it tries to remove network tools |
| 16:29.56 | naiv | is a netbook ok to program/ use debian / view videos ? |
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| 16:30.15 | wols | naiv: as long as the videos aren't HD, yes |
| 16:30.28 | themill | twobitsprite: since there are no spaces in debian package names, we know that we're missing a lot of information here, don't we? |
| 16:30.28 | twobitsprite | naiv: my wife watches hulu/etc on her netbook |
| 16:30.54 | naiv | wols: what happens with HD videos ? |
| 16:30.55 | babilen | Japeeh: Please provide the full output of that run .... |
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| 16:31.02 | wols | naiv: and it then depends what kind of netbook: the intel atom based ones are slow compared to the amd netbooks, but they are usually a bit cheaper |
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| 16:31.22 | Japeeh | twobitsprite err no, I apparently confused you, autoremove removes all kinds of useful stuff |
| 16:31.23 | wols | naiv: the atom can stutter. not with all, but it often does |
| 16:31.35 | Japeeh | so I'm kind of afraid to use it |
| 16:31.41 | twobitsprite | themill: true... but I assume Japeeh means what he says, and it seems odd that kid3 would remove network-anything |
| 16:31.59 | naiv | wols: amd is better ? interesting, IÂ will have a look at it |
| 16:32.04 | Japeeh | no removing kid3 doesn't do anything except removes kid3 :) |
| 16:32.04 | themill | twobitsprite: you're assuming that his autoremove state was clean prior to installing kid3 |
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| 16:32.34 | wols | naiv: amd c-50 and e-350 have ati radeon videocards which easily decode 1080p video. intel has gma3150 IGP which doesn't |
| 16:32.35 | babilen | Japeeh: Which packages are going to be removed that you would like to keep? Can you provide the full output of "aptitude why PKG" for these packages as well of the "I am going to remove everyhting" run? |
| 16:33.13 | wols | naiv: however, few ways to use the cards under debian :( the amd cpus are still a bit faster than atom cpus tho |
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| 16:34.09 | naiv | wols: erf, ati radeon, there's no nvidia gpu |
| 16:35.00 | salvin | how does the lock lever of a microsd adapter work? i lost it |
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| 16:35.26 | Japeeh | babilen when I run apt-get autoremove it removes all this: http://pastebin.com/3CEBbjn1 |
| 16:35.31 | salvin | can i bypass it in any way? |
| 16:35.39 | twobitsprite | salvin: try #hardware or something |
| 16:35.57 | salvin | ok |
| 16:35.57 | babilen | Japeeh: Is "gnome" installed? |
| 16:36.05 | Japeeh | yes babilen |
| 16:36.22 | Japeeh | which contains the most packages I'd like to keep |
| 16:36.31 | rhenani_ | hello |
| 16:36.40 | rhenani_ | how do i make an iso image |
| 16:36.58 | babilen | Japeeh: Are you sure? Could you give me the output of "dpkg -l gnome|tail -1" ? |
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| 16:37.01 | wols | rhenani_: mkisofs for example. but: do you use X? |
| 16:37.08 | twobitsprite | rhenani_: do you want to make an iso from a cd, or build one from files, etc? |
| 16:37.14 | stew | rhenani_: you want to create an iso from a set of files? or a cd? or what? |
| 16:37.29 | rhenani_ | Make a iso image from some files that i have |
| 16:37.34 | Japeeh | un gnome <none> (no description available) |
| 16:37.35 | rhenani_ | an * |
| 16:38.18 | twobitsprite | rhenani_: mkisofs is the commandline tool, but I don't remember the gui ones |
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| 16:38.19 | stew | rhenani_: if you wish to keep the gnome related stuff, "aptitude unmarkauto '~Rgnome'" |
| 16:38.37 | babilen | Japeeh: So it is not installed. :) -- You either might want to install it again, install a smaller metapackage (see "/msg dpkg install gnome"), run "aptitude unmarkauto PKG" for all packages you want to keep or follow the method detailed in "/msg dpkg remove rhythmbox" |
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| 16:39.09 | jhutchins | rhenani_: k3b will make an iso without having to burn it. |
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| 16:40.22 | themill | stew: btw ~R has an implicit ~n so you need to pin the pattern or you end up doing far more than you expect; the gnome package also has a stack of recommends that people seem to usually want to keep. |
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| 16:41.27 | rhenani_ | so far i have genisoiimage, wodim, mkisofs, k3b which do guys recomend me the best? |
| 16:41.56 | rhenani_ | I have 10 files .rar that i want to extract and make an iso image with them |
| 16:42.02 | jhutchins | rhenani_: Whichever works the best for you. |
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| 16:42.37 | jhutchins | rhenani_: I'm sure there's a gnome cd utility too. |
| 16:42.38 | shundake | wols: Using kernel backport and using kernel 2.6.32 have any difference? (I was using the 2.6.38) |
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| 16:43.59 | stew | themill: ahh, yeah oops |
| 16:44.35 | stew | rhenani_: wodim and mkisofs are some of the low level tools that k3b is a frontend for |
| 16:44.42 | themill | stew: no idea why an implicit ~n is useful there though. It just requires everyone to ^...$ all the time |
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| 16:45.34 | Japeeh | babilen now I still don't understand |
| 16:45.38 | Japeeh | no* |
| 16:45.54 | Japeeh | I run apt-get autoremove and removes all kinds of useful things |
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| 16:45.58 | Japeeh | like gedit |
| 16:46.06 | danny_ | I'm trying to access samba shares from squeeze but nautilus cannot handle smb urls although *vfs-extra package is installed. Any ideas how to debug this? |
| 16:46.20 | jhutchins | Japeeh: Maybe you should look at the manpage and see how it's supposed to work. |
| 16:46.39 | Japeeh | jhutchins yes you're probably right... |
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| 16:47.32 | stew | Japeeh: gedit was installed at some point to satisfy a dependency, such as installing "gnome" (which depends on everything in gnome). When this happens the package is marked as automatically installed. autoremove removes any packages marked as automatically insatlled which no longer have anything depending on them |
| 16:47.53 | lapsusbrutus | Hi guys, Anyone have scriped update-alternatives? Is it possible?:) update-alternatives -config java |
| 16:47.55 | stew | Japeeh: if you want to keep it, you can unmark it with apt-mark or aptitude unmarkauto |
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| 16:48.07 | stew | lapsusbrutus: use update-java-alternatives for java |
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| 16:48.18 | babilen | Japeeh: All those packages were presumably installed as dependencies or recommendations of the "gnome" package. This package is installed when you select the standard "desktop" task. I guess that you either removed it explicitly or implicitly by removing one of its dependencies (say evolution) ... The solution is to either install "gnome" again, or ... (see above) |
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| 16:50.04 | BlehTM | *static "manual" IP |
| 16:50.08 | wols | Japeeh: in the beginning you installed "apt-get install gnome", then latter you did "apt-get remove <small gnome app>" which removed that app and the "gnome" meta package. then you installed kid3, removed it and apt-get autoremove for the first time. and now ALL packages ever marked "automatically installed" are removed, including all of gnome since they were installed automatically when you installed the "gnome" package |
| 16:50.16 | stew | BlehTM: the gui for what? |
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| 16:51.01 | Zarion | I have a ipv6 advertising server running on my network, how might I get debian to recieve that advert and get a ipv6 address? Other windows computers on the lan get one without a problem, but I can't figureout how to get debian to do it |
| 16:51.05 | babilen | wols: Thanks for translating :) (/me has been writing academic papers all day) |
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| 16:51.14 | Japeeh | thanks for clarifications |
| 16:51.19 | BlehTM | stew: I just mean in the upper right of the screen, the networking icon |
| 16:51.27 | Japeeh | *the |
| 16:51.42 | stew | dunno what that is |
| 16:51.52 | stew | Japeeh: does it make sense to you? |
| 16:51.53 | BlehTM | :O |
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| 16:52.08 | wols | BlehTM: "network manager" from gnome perhaps? |
| 16:52.12 | BlehTM | yes |
| 16:52.20 | babilen | Japeeh: I would personally recommend to install one of the small gnome metapackages such as "gnome-session" or "gnome-core" and run "aptitude unmarkauto" for other packagages you want to keep. |
| 16:52.23 | BlehTM | that's what i'm talking about, excuse my noob speak |
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| 16:52.57 | lapsusbrutus | stew: ahh :) update-java-alternatives --set javatype excellent! |
| 16:53.17 | BlehTM | wols: Is the network manager actually a part of gnome though? |
| 16:53.45 | lapsusbrutus | BlehTM: yea |
| 16:53.51 | wols | not totally sure...I think it has daemon parts too and there is the same stuff using the same "backend" for kde |
| 16:53.53 | Gump | radio check |
| 16:53.56 | Gump | good |
| 16:54.54 | Gump | i've been banned from the #debian channel for the last 24 hours or so and couldn't figure out why or when it happened. anyone know what might have happened? |
| 16:55.16 | BlehTM | Ok so in the gnome network manager when i try to set a static IP everything's ok until I fill in the dns server field, at which point i can't apply changes because the button's grayed out. |
| 16:55.24 | shundake | wols: I used the kernel 2.6.32 and the same from backports.. Anything cnhaged |
| 16:55.32 | shundake | wols: changed* |
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| 16:56.48 | Zarion | 2.6.39-1-686-pae <-- Does this kernel have ipv6 support included? |
| 16:57.26 | shundake | wols: this is my lspci output http://pastebin.com/S8VFzLah |
| 16:57.30 | wols | shundake: backports has 2.6.38, do you mean that one? |
| 16:58.00 | shundake | Yes. |
| 16:58.07 | wols | shundake: the important part is the kernel dmesg output. it should log a 2nd soundcard |
| 16:58.13 | shundake | wols: Hum... |
| 16:58.30 | shundake | wols: Yes, this... >.< |
| 16:58.35 | twobitsprite | !tell ZeroHour about ipv6 |
| 16:58.39 | twobitsprite | oops |
| 16:58.45 | twobitsprite | !tell Zambezi about ipv6 |
| 16:59.21 | Zambezi | twobitsprite: Np. |
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| 16:59.38 | themill | Gump: unregistered users were muted in here for a while due to spam. You can avoid this by registering your account and identifying to nickserv. /msg nickserv help register |
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| 17:01.47 | shundake | wols: want to see my dmesg log? |
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| 17:02.38 | Famic | what would you recommend for mysql hot backups ? |
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| 17:05.46 | stew | Famic: mysql has built in replication which is easy to setup |
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| 17:07.29 | Famic | nevermind, I just came across percona xtrabackup which seems to be just what I need |
| 17:07.35 | MarKsaitis | Does that mean Debian is dying? http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+debian&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 |
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| 17:10.46 | discozohan | Hello! What package provides posix threads ? |
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| 17:11.19 | discozohan | i am getting error "-- Could NOT find Threads (missing: Threads_FOUND)" when compile mysql from source |
| 17:11.22 | daemonkeeper | MarKsaitis: In terms of users, Ubuntu is a different magnitude when compared to Debian. This does not mean, Debian is dying, Ubuntu still depends on Debian for a vast majority of packages |
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| 17:12.01 | MarKsaitis | ok |
| 17:12.13 | gkffjcs__ | Hey all, I'm having a problem with console output graphics, I just installed debian squeeze on a box where the primary screen is connected to a TV out, and a TV. There were no problems using this configuration with previous versions of debian or even while using the graphical installer on the squeeze dvd. I should not also that this is not an X11 issue, since the problem still ocurrs without running X. Basically the system boots, |
| 17:12.15 | gkffjcs__ | all is fine pretty soon into the boot process though all text being sent to the screen becomes massively distorted to the right of the screen and and puled down to the bottom, frankly the effect is bizare. Noting that this issue did not ocurr on previous versions nor did it ocurr in the installer, it seems to be cause by something starting at boot, Does anyone know of this issue? or what daemon that is? so that I can shut it off |
| 17:12.16 | gkffjcs__ | and let the system do the old, but correct, behavior? |
| 17:12.30 | MarKsaitis | I am about to choose ubuntu or debian. I do not like centos and other crap which has yum etc and other crappy stuff |
| 17:12.40 | MarKsaitis | Ubuntu and debian looks very simmilar |
| 17:12.45 | MarKsaitis | and I dont know which one to choose |
| 17:12.48 | daemonkeeper | Well, feel free to choose either one. |
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| 17:12.59 | daemonkeeper | Ubuntu targets desktop users and easy to use |
| 17:13.04 | MarKsaitis | ubuntu promises that it will be free and well supported for a very long time |
| 17:13.13 | daemonkeeper | So do we |
| 17:13.20 | MarKsaitis | ok |
| 17:13.24 | cahoot | MarKsaitis, can't see the point in characterizing distros as crap though |
| 17:13.26 | daemonkeeper | FWIW: Debian is more free than Ubuntu |
| 17:13.35 | daemonkeeper | !dfsg |
| 17:13.36 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 17:13.38 | MarKsaitis | I see |
| 17:13.42 | republican_devil | just played baldurs gate for 12 hours straight |
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| 17:16.31 | wols | daemonkeeper: in practice, a ubuntu LTS and a debian stable are supported for the same amount of time |
| 17:16.44 | daemonkeeper | wols: Almos, but you should tell that MarKsaitis |
| 17:16.46 | daemonkeeper | *almost |
| 17:16.53 | wols | true. mea culpa |
| 17:17.42 | daemonkeeper | FWIW Ubuntu only supports their main repository for an extended period. |
| 17:17.46 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: Ubuntu has a lot of problems, and a lot of people are leaving it now due to changes they have made. Debian is more solid and stable. |
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| 17:18.18 | daemonkeeper | rypervenche: It is probably fair enough to say, the sam could be said abot Debian. |
| 17:18.23 | daemonkeeper | *same |
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| 17:18.23 | MarKsaitis | what kind of problems? I must admit tahat I like debian more, bcs of its style and even name |
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| 17:18.41 | cahoot | !tell MarKsaitis about why debian |
| 17:19.00 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: Sticking with a distribution just because of its name is not a very smart idea. :/ |
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| 17:19.40 | MarKsaitis | I know ;] Im just saying that Debian somehow sounds better than Ubuntu for me |
| 17:19.44 | daemonkeeper | MarKsaitis: Ubuntu made some courageous decisions in the past. They started to introduce their own software on core components like system start, desktop and in future even insead of X11 |
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| 17:20.01 | MarKsaitis | ok |
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| 17:20.13 | wols | and some decisions work out better than others |
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| 17:20.38 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: Only you can decide. You will have tons of people telling you which way to go, but in the end it is you who must decide. I have used Ubuntu for about a year and a half and Debian for far less. That being said, I very much prefer Debian. |
| 17:20.42 | MarKsaitis | How about software repos? is it ubuntu or debian which gives newer and better quality software? |
| 17:21.01 | gsp2009 | hello folks. Anyone here abandon gnome-screensaver for xscreensaver in squeeze? If so, any issues? |
| 17:21.03 | daemonkeeper | MarKsaitis: As said, abot 75% of all Ubuntu software is untouched from Debian |
| 17:21.06 | daemonkeeper | *about |
| 17:21.10 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: Ubuntu takes its repos from Debian Testing. So Debian Testing is more up-to-date I suppose. |
| 17:21.11 | wols | MarKsaitis: depends what you want to compare. LTS is a very different thing from "normal" ubuntu |
| 17:21.17 | daemonkeeper | rypervenche: Sid |
| 17:21.22 | stew | MarKsaitis: probably ubuntu newer debian better quality. the repsitories for newer software in debian are not intended for end users |
| 17:21.40 | MarKsaitis | ok |
| 17:21.45 | rypervenche | daemonkeeper: Ubuntu takes from sid? |
| 17:22.07 | MarKsaitis | I am just looking at software center for some c++ dev tools |
| 17:22.09 | MarKsaitis | and ides |
| 17:22.16 | MarKsaitis | on both ubuntu and debian |
| 17:22.20 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: Try them both out and see for yourself. |
| 17:22.23 | MarKsaitis | both look 90% the same |
| 17:22.28 | daemonkeeper | rypervenche: Yes. They make periodically a snapshot and import it to their universe repository (unless they have their own changed packages) |
| 17:22.32 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: You will see that a lot of things are exactly the same. |
| 17:22.50 | rypervenche | daemonkeeper: Ah, I thought I had read that they took the snapshot from Testing. |
| 17:23.04 | MarKsaitis | Are there any major drawbacks, disadvantages or anything simmilar between debian and ubuntu? |
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| 17:24.23 | Famic | MarKsaitis: every time you make a click on Ubuntu, a panda is killed. that's all. |
| 17:24.24 | daemonkeeper | MarKsaitis: There are probably more similarities than differences (again, most packages are untouched from Debian), but the things were Ubuntu is different, do matter for some people. |
| 17:24.41 | daemonkeeper | *where |
| 17:25.25 | MarKsaitis | So there are no major differences |
| 17:25.27 | Tiffy | Ubuntu is driven by a commercial company, Debian is driven by a community respecting truly open software. Take your pick. |
| 17:26.09 | MarKsaitis | I just need to believe that this wonderfull community will not stop driving it |
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| 17:26.29 | daemonkeeper | MarKsaitis: Well, if Debian community dies, Ubuntu dies the day after |
| 17:26.38 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: It is my experience that many people start on Ubuntu and then later on leave it for a different OS. Like I said, try them both out and see for yourself. Are you new to Linux in general? |
| 17:26.38 | wols | MarKsaitis: ubuntu is a bit of "make it work, no matter the Freedom", debian is more of "we want Freedom even if it inconveniences" |
| 17:26.42 | Tiffy | 18 years and counting. |
| 17:26.42 | daemonkeeper | If Ubuntu dies, Debian won't care. |
| 17:27.02 | wols | e.g. debian makes nvidia or fglrx harder, have no closed source firmware,etc |
| 17:27.25 | rypervenche | Although it's not too difficult to get those drivers. |
| 17:27.32 | MarKsaitis | Im not very new to linux, I have it as a second OS. I used to have centos and fedora |
| 17:27.42 | th0r | I am starting a new net install. I would like (exclusively) to run xfce for a desktop. If I choose to not install a graphical desktop environment right now, and then install xfce from apt-get, I know the system will boot to a cli and I will have to start xfce manually. Is there a way to set it up at install to just download xfce? |
| 17:27.46 | Tiffy | "harder" is subjective. I prefer "different." |
| 17:27.47 | daemonkeeper | No, nothing is "too difficult" in Debian. Its all about convenience |
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| 17:28.12 | daemonkeeper | Ubuntu enables some non-free crap and just don't cares since they think, this is what people want |
| 17:28.17 | rypervenche | Ah I see. So you're new to Debian-based. You might like Debian better since you seem to be used to more server-related OSes. Try them both out and you'll know. |
| 17:28.19 | vitorhnn | I'm using Debian for like 3 months now, the only closed-source software I use is Chrome(Chromium is terribly outdated) and Dropbox |
| 17:28.37 | vitorhnn | And it has been an awesome experience. |
| 17:28.51 | wols | Tiffy: ubuntu makes a lot of stuff easier and work out of the box and more polished. automounting, wizards, and such. that's what their stated goal is. debian sometimes/often profits from these things but is not about them as ubuntu is |
| 17:28.57 | Tiffy | th0r: you can specify the desktop environment by passing the necessary option to the kernel when booting the setup environment, see the help option from the cd |
| 17:29.13 | th0r | Tiffy....thanks |
| 17:29.29 | Tiffy | wols: again I disagree with your wording, assuming things are "easier" for those reasons. |
| 17:29.34 | MarKsaitis | I appreciate all your input |
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| 17:30.19 | wols | Tiffy: well, with ubuntu you don't have to do anything for these conveniences. for debian you have to setup them yourself which means reading stuff, expending work. hence I think ubuntu is "easier" |
| 17:30.48 | MarKsaitis | Well, I think linux is not very much for 3D, nvidia and other stuff :) its more for speed, servers and programming |
| 17:30.51 | daemonkeeper | Tiffy: Ubuntu targets users whom don't care too much about their systems, which is what makes it somewhat easier to use. This doesn't mean you couldn't achieve the same on Debian, but you have to enable and/or configure some stuff yourself if your care enough. |
| 17:31.03 | wols | and sometimes with things like ACPI or some ALSA drivers, things can get very iffy |
| 17:31.09 | gkffjcs__ | is there a way I can capture the output from the boot process to a file, so that I can read it on a different computer and try to see what's messing everything up? |
| 17:31.13 | Tiffy | wols: you're entitled to you opinion. i do not find the wizards and guis and stuff easier; i find they make things more difficult and obfuscate things. |
| 17:32.00 | wols | Tiffy: oh they do make it easier. if they work which they should in the majority of cases. if they don't of course, the obfuscation they bring make them a lot more difficult to fix |
| 17:32.32 | rypervenche | I agree that for me the command line is usually easier. It just takes a bit of understanding beforehand. |
| 17:32.33 | wols | !tell gkffjcs__ about bootlog |
| 17:32.38 | MarKsaitis | I.E. I just noticed that codeblocks ide is not an option in software centre in debian but it is an option in Ubuntu? |
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| 17:32.47 | MarKsaitis | Is there a reason for that |
| 17:32.52 | CodeBlock | glares at MarKsaitis for highlighting him. |
| 17:32.56 | Tiffy | once again, different doesn't necessarily equate to being "harder." :) |
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| 17:32.59 | daemonkeeper | codeblocks - Code::Blocks integrated development environment (IDE) |
| 17:33.03 | CodeBlock | this nick sucks sometimes :( |
| 17:33.04 | MarKsaitis | CodeBlock, =) |
| 17:33.05 | daemonkeeper | It is available |
| 17:33.09 | wols | ,versions codeblocks |
| 17:33.09 | judd | Package codeblocks on i386 -- sid: 10.05-2; wheezy: 10.05-2 |
| 17:33.32 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: Linux is fine for 3D stuff. I play video games on mine. Systems like Ubuntu/Linux Mint allow you to install proprietary drivers very easily, with Debian you have to enable the contrib and non-free repositories, that's all. |
| 17:33.33 | daemonkeeper | In testing and beyond |
| 17:33.34 | MarKsaitis | I have a default debian install |
| 17:33.40 | wols | MarKsaitis: seems no one has packaged it before. is codeblocks in ubuntu 10.04 or is it missing there? |
| 17:33.48 | MarKsaitis | ok |
| 17:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you shouldnt highlight on "codeblockS"... |
| 17:33.54 | daemonkeeper | MarKsaitis: Its in testing, not in stable |
| 17:34.04 | MarKsaitis | wols, I have ubuntu 11 |
| 17:34.20 | rypervenche | I use Debian Testing on my main PC, and Stable on my server. |
| 17:34.31 | CodeBlock | CutMeOwnThroat: I highlight on *codeblock* because otherwise my nick would have to appear as the first word, which makes me miss pings sometimes. |
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| 17:34.37 | wols | MarKsaitis: that isn't really comparable to debian: it won't get support as long as debian stable does but it's around a year newer in software versions |
| 17:34.39 | MarKsaitis | How do I enable some more repos for software centre? |
| 17:34.55 | daemonkeeper | There aren't more |
| 17:34.56 | CodeBlock | CutMeOwnThroat: Granted maybe I should tweak that to '* codeblock *' |
| 17:35.02 | daemonkeeper | There is main, contrib and non-free |
| 17:35.11 | daemonkeeper | Everything else is not supported |
| 17:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | CodeBlock, more like codeblock[^a-z] |
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| 17:35.50 | daemonkeeper | If you really want codeblocks, you need to upgrade to Testing and/or look for a backport or do one yourself |
| 17:35.56 | CodeBlock | CutMeOwnThroat: kind of doubt irssi (by default) will let me actually regex match highlights...but I might be wrong |
| 17:35.58 | MarKsaitis | How do I list all available and enabled repos on my debian? |
| 17:36.24 | daemonkeeper | Don't know about the software center, from command line: apt-cache policy |
| 17:36.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | MarKsaitis, apt-cache policy |
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| 17:37.04 | wols | btw: isn't software center a Ubuntu import? |
| 17:37.11 | rypervenche | It is. |
| 17:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is nothing to list all "available" repositories, because the system doesn't know about them |
| 17:37.50 | rypervenche | "aptitude versions" does what judd does as well. |
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| 17:38.21 | MarKsaitis | Well I just wanted to know what repos I have enabled in terms of "main" etc... and whether i can enable "testing" or smth like that so I have codeblocks and other things in the list |
| 17:38.39 | daemonkeeper | MarKsaitis: testing is not a repository, but a full suite |
| 17:38.40 | wols | MarKsaitis: something like PPAs doesn't exist in debian. however there are 3rd party repos and you can add them more or less easily yourself. however PPAs and 3rd party archives often are very buggy to use |
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| 17:38.53 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell MarKsaitis about introduction |
| 17:39.09 | wols | MarKsaitis: you cannot simply enable testing. you have to upgrade to it. meaning, you run a different branch of debian which different rules |
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| 17:40.11 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: If you MUST have a package that is more up-to-date, you can take it from testing or unstable, but sometimes it doesn't work because there are too many dependency issues. It really depends. |
| 17:40.12 | MarKsaitis | okey, what is that contrib? |
| 17:40.25 | daemonkeeper | !contrib |
| 17:40.27 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 17:40.32 | MarKsaitis | So is there a way to add a some sort of debian repo where codeblocks is? |
| 17:40.33 | MarKsaitis | :) |
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| 17:40.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | rypervenche, it does not... like "apt-cache madison", it only goes through the repos that you have enabled for your system... if you want to answer someone elses question that's _not_ the same |
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| 17:41.29 | daemonkeeper | MarKsaitis: There are several possibilities, but basically you would have to upgrade to Wheezy (if you're aware of side effects) |
| 17:41.31 | MarKsaitis | so, every single normal program in conrtib repo has a dependency in non-free? |
| 17:41.36 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 17:41.40 | rypervenche | CutMeOwnThroat: As judd you mean? Yeah you would need to have the repos in your sources.list and pinned. |
| 17:41.40 | MarKsaitis | Its non-free as in paid or closed source? |
| 17:41.46 | daemonkeeper | Not paid |
| 17:41.56 | rypervenche | closed-source |
| 17:42.01 | daemonkeeper | But not free as in Debian's free software criterias |
| 17:42.03 | MarKsaitis | okey |
| 17:42.05 | daemonkeeper | !dfsg |
| 17:42.05 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 17:42.07 | daemonkeeper | those |
| 17:42.13 | wols | MarKsaitis: no non-free as in not adhering to the DFSG |
| 17:42.18 | stew | MarKsaitis: no, contrib doesn't necessarily have a dependency in non-free. it just depends on something not in main, and this dependency might not be explicit |
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| 17:42.31 | MarKsaitis | so, is codeblocks in non-free contrib? |
| 17:42.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | rypervenche, including oldstable and experimental... |
| 17:42.53 | stew | MarKsaitis: non-free *might* mean paid (though it is rare), you need to read the license for whatever you are installing from non-free |
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| 17:43.01 | Tiffy | codeblocks may be backportable to prevent upgrading, perhaps you should look into that. |
| 17:43.03 | daemonkeeper | No its in main, _but_ in Testing |
| 17:43.05 | rypervenche | CutMeOwnThroat: I know I know, but I meant in general. I don't know of a program that does exactly what judd does yet. |
| 17:43.18 | stew | MarKsaitis: non-free also doesn't necessarily mean closed source... |
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| 17:43.29 | stew | rypervenche: rmadison? |
| 17:43.48 | wols | MarKsaitis: it's in main. but just not in the current version of debian. it will be in the next version most probably however |
| 17:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | rypervenche, there was one that queried ... packages.debian.org? forgot its name, though... hm, probably madison-lite |
| 17:44.06 | MarKsaitis | Is it bad to use contrib and non-free? Why could it be bad? Problematic? Unsafe? |
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| 17:44.33 | wols | MarKsaitis: it's not Free software. debian is explicitly founded to create a Free software distro |
| 17:44.42 | daemonkeeper | MarKsaitis: No, its not "bad", it just introduces non-free bits to your system. You have the choice if that's worth for you |
| 17:44.43 | MarKsaitis | ok |
| 17:44.46 | wols | if it's bad if you use non-free software is your own choice |
| 17:45.27 | MarKsaitis | Are there any good examples where you would use some non-free stuff just because there is no alternative and you just need to have it? |
| 17:45.49 | stew | MarKsaitis: most wireless cards require non-free firmware |
| 17:45.51 | Tiffy | yes it's bad and you will see a pointy horned devil upon death should you enable it forever. |
| 17:45.53 | Strogg | MarKsaitis: FPGA software |
| 17:45.53 | daemonkeeper | MarKsaitis: Well, some firmware drivers for network cards |
| 17:45.57 | rypervenche | I have them both enabled, and only use them for my Nvidia driver which I kind of have to use, and flash. |
| 17:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | MarKsaitis, obviously... lots |
| 17:46.17 | Strogg | opensource build tools can get you part of the way, but for the last mile, you need the commercial tool |
| 17:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | not "lots per person"... but "lots on a global scale" |
| 17:46.41 | Strogg | oh. I only read part of that. you mean non-free the packages. |
| 17:46.42 | MarKsaitis | flash? |
| 17:46.56 | wols | MarKsaitis: adobe flash is a closed source application on any platform |
| 17:46.57 | daemonkeeper | You know, the annoying browser thingie |
| 17:47.08 | daemonkeeper | Some people apparently want that. |
| 17:47.13 | wols | MarKsaitis: to watch youtube |
| 17:47.13 | stew | MarKsaitis: no, flash cannot be in non-free because it is not legally redistributable in debian. there is an installer for it in contrib |
| 17:47.27 | MarKsaitis | Yeah I know what is flash :) Ok, so eve nthat is non-free |
| 17:47.27 | stew | ^in debian^by debian |
| 17:47.46 | daemonkeeper | Flash is actually even worse, as stew pointed out |
| 17:48.01 | wols | stew: wasn't it in non-free once? |
| 17:48.05 | stew | its certainly non-free since its not open source |
| 17:48.06 | rypervenche | I hate it, but gnash doesn't work well on my EeePC :/ |
| 17:48.11 | pnbeast | If you're committed/crazy, you can watch youtube videos fairly well with a script like youtube-dl and a tool like mplayer. |
| 17:48.13 | daemonkeeper | wols: No, in DMM though |
| 17:48.21 | wols | ah, right |
| 17:48.31 | rypervenche | That is true, or you can use www.tinyogg.com if you're willing to wait. |
| 17:48.37 | pnbeast | (and avoid the security pitfalls of something like Adobe software...) |
| 17:48.54 | wols | pnbeast: considering how many "this video is not available in your country because...." I get this might be a preferable solution :) |
| 17:49.05 | pnbeast | That's what tor is for. :) |
| 17:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're not pitfalls, they're design decisions |
| 17:49.23 | daemonkeeper | You must be bored, if you rely on Tor to deliver streams |
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| 17:49.43 | MarKsaitis | Its very sad, I want codeblocks on my debian |
| 17:49.44 | MarKsaitis | :) |
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| 17:49.54 | wols | !tell MarKsaitis about backports |
| 17:49.56 | stew | many youtube videos are viewable in html5 without flash at all |
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| 17:50.08 | wols | MarKsaitis: I doubt there is a technical reason why it can't work on debian stable |
| 17:50.43 | daemonkeeper | Perhaps even the Testing package works by pinning |
| 17:50.45 | wols | stew: then you get to the problem with free codecs no? unless iceweasel has webm support already? |
| 17:51.16 | stew | wols: i'm using chromium-browser from main |
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| 17:51.40 | MarKsaitis | The problem I always get is that if I start custom compiling stuff and using 3rd party repos I always get into problems messing up package manager and forgetting what do I have installed and what do I not |
| 17:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, and that's playing youtube stuff witout flash? the squeeze one? how can one tell? |
| 17:52.02 | MarKsaitis | Is there a nice way for me to get codeblocks in this nice software packager in debian? |
| 17:52.10 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: As long as you use "checkinstall" instead of "make install", you can always know what you have installed yourself. |
| 17:52.25 | MarKsaitis | I never used checkinstall |
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| 17:52.43 | wols | MarKsaitis: download codeblocks and codeblocks-common via packages.debian.org and install them via dpkg -i |
| 17:52.56 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: It is a wrapper for "make install", and it creates a deb package for easy removal. |
| 17:53.18 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: no, i'm using sid. i can tell because when I right click on a video it says "about HTML5" and I can tell because I don't have flash installed |
| 17:53.32 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 17:53.47 | MarKsaitis | rypervenche, omg, thank you! It seems something I was looking for year in my experience with linux |
| 17:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | MarKsaitis, we told you the options... a) backport it to squeeze yourself (/msg dpkg ssb [exchange sid with testing]) b) use the testing package in squeeze (but don't complain if that breaks stuff) or c) upgrade to testing (also, don't complain if that breaks stuff) |
| 17:54.19 | stew | MarKsaitis: of those options, you really just want a) in general |
| 17:54.32 | wols | stew: is there a way to see why a certain package wasn't included in stable (some RC bug probably). codeblocks dependencies look quite old so I guess the package existed in testing before squeeze was frozen |
| 17:54.42 | MarKsaitis | Which option is that one where I download a package and install it using dpkg? |
| 17:54.44 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: So yeah, usually it's "./configure" then "make" then "sudo checkinstall" and you're good. Of course you'll want to read the README, but always substitude "make install" with "checkinstall" with root powers of course. |
| 17:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, ah, all right... and youtube decides from your browser etc. to automatically not give you flash? |
| 17:54.57 | webad13 | I cannot find my screen resolution in fb.modes - I need it since directfb gets its resolution from there. Does anyone know how to add my resolution 1280x800 - I did it before with xrandr but I don't know how it works with framebuffer |
| 17:55.00 | stew | wols: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/codeblocks.html it wasn't uploaded until after the freeze |
| 17:55.05 | wols | MarKsaitis: that is option b |
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| 17:55.47 | wols | stew: it uses libc6 2.3.6, libwx 2.8. libstdc++ 4.1 and so on |
| 17:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | MarKsaitis, and as stew said... only option a) is recommended by us... doesn't mean the others won't work... but that's the "don't complain if it breaks" part |
| 17:56.34 | MarKsaitis | Ok, I do not understand what backporting does. I liked that checkinstall option alot |
| 17:56.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, ah, I see... test-phase (and dammit, guess I have to really set the default language to english) |
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| 17:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | MarKsaitis, checkinstall wasn't really an option here... as this is already in debian, albeit in testing, you want to use the pre-made package instead of doing everything yourself |
| 17:57.33 | wols | MarKsaitis: if a package is already in any debian repository, a backport is vastly prefered to a checkinstall. |
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| 17:58.03 | wols | MarKsaitis: a backport does the same as a checkinstall but a lot cleaner |
| 17:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, seems to work with chromium-browser from squeeze as well |
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| 17:58.39 | Tiffy | MarKsaitis: A good read - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=228570 |
| 17:59.15 | MarKsaitis | okey |
| 17:59.20 | MarKsaitis | thanx |
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| 18:00.47 | MarKsaitis | Tiffy, the smart way? So does checkinstall not just build the package? Is there something more to be done then? |
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| 18:01.05 | Tiffy | checkinstall should be considered a last resort. |
| 18:01.26 | Tiffy | checkinstall is one step above a make && make install. |
| 18:01.36 | Tiffy | you should look into backporting from debianized source if possible |
| 18:02.21 | MarKsaitis | ok |
| 18:02.29 | MarKsaitis | is backporting very hard and time consuming? |
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| 18:02.43 | daemonkeeper | There are plenty alternatives, upgrading to testing, using a backport, doing a backport, using apt pinning, just trying to install it with dpkg ... |
| 18:02.47 | Tiffy | the post explains the process, it isn't hard but depends what you're trying to backport |
| 18:02.58 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell MarKsaitis about ssb |
| 18:03.04 | daemonkeeper | ^^ ssb is about backporting |
| 18:03.20 | stew | MarKsaitis: backporting should be no more difficult, but you get the benefit of the debian packaging which was prepared by the debian mainatiner of the package instead of checkinstall guessing at how to package the software |
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| 18:03.49 | gkffjcs__ | thanks to wols I was able to get the boot log, and copy it to a thumbdrive, and read it on a different computer... And I know what line is causing the problem.... |
| 18:03.51 | gkffjcs__ | Thu Jun 9 12:39:16 2011: ^[]R^[[9;30]^[[14;30]Setting up console font and keymap...done. |
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| 18:04.23 | MarKsaitis | daemonkeeper, aptpinning? |
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| 18:04.45 | daemonkeeper | !pinning |
| 18:04.45 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 18:05.32 | stew | MarKsaitis: pinning would be a way that you could enable the testing repository but attempt to tell apt to readjust its priorities so that you only install certain packages from testing. this is NOT recommended, especially for mixing stable and {testing,unstable}. especially for someone new to debian |
| 18:05.42 | gkffjcs__ | My question now is how do I change this? http://pastebin.com/QABMiP43 is the whole log if it would be helpful! |
| 18:05.44 | Tiffy | ^ +1 |
| 18:05.46 | Tiffy | pinning is ugly |
| 18:07.18 | stew | gkffjcs__: its sounds like /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh |
| 18:07.55 | MarKsaitis | why is pinning bad? Everytime you install the software you know whether there is some pinning involved or not. And therefore you can go with it or not :) |
| 18:07.57 | stew | gkffjcs__: the beginning of that line is the "reset_vga_palette" function in that script |
| 18:08.33 | stew | MarKsaitis: pinning is fine, but perhaps difficult to understand for a beginning. the problem is that mising stable and non-stable is bad if you don't know what you are doing |
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| 18:08.43 | wols | MarKsaitis: cause it often drags in other stuff, for example libc6 from that other debian branch. and that is very very bad. very soon your debian breaks horribly |
| 18:08.44 | stew | for a beginner* |
| 18:08.51 | tensorpudding | don't you still have to do pinning if you add the backports repo? |
| 18:08.59 | stew | tensorpudding: not with squeeze |
| 18:09.10 | tensorpudding | oh |
| 18:09.16 | tensorpudding | they changed it with squeeze now? |
| 18:09.38 | stew | (or with lenny for that matter, but with lenny, you still *should* add a 200 or so priority to backports, so that you get automatic upgrades) |
| 18:09.53 | stew | tensorpudding: yes, we added a new field to Release which adjusts the priority |
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| 18:10.25 | tensorpudding | yeah, i only vaguely remember, i haven't used it since lenny |
| 18:11.06 | stew | tensorpudding: see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release ; we used to only have "NotAutomatic: yes" which pins it at 1, we now also have "ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes" which pins it at (i think) 200 |
| 18:11.23 | tensorpudding | okay |
| 18:11.47 | stew | ahh, 100, not 200 |
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| 18:14.24 | daemonkeeper | With the integration of backports to Squeeze |
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| 18:14.47 | daemonkeeper | (sorry, my scrollback stopped before) |
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| 18:17.26 | Arrowmaster | i think some additional handling of the "ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes" is needed when a default release is set |
| 18:17.46 | gkffjcs__ | thanks stew, I'll have a look... |
| 18:17.59 | stew | gkffjcs__: if its messing things up, you might just disable this init script |
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| 18:21.25 | lapsusbrutus | hmmm Some weeks ago I changed language, but now I have forgotten how :s Anyone remebers? Very happy if scriptable |
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| 18:22.28 | lapsusbrutus | @gnome btw |
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| 18:24.34 | lirakis | hey all |
| 18:25.08 | lirakis | im trying to install squeeze on my Asus eee 701 netbook. I dd'd the iso image to an sd card, which i can boot and get the installer selection menu |
| 18:25.14 | jhutchins | lapsusbrutus: How are we supposed to remember what YOU did on YOUR system? |
| 18:25.19 | jhutchins | !language |
| 18:25.20 | dpkg | i guess language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <knoppix> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>. |
| 18:25.20 | lirakis | but no matter what I select, the screen locks up and goes no further |
| 18:25.36 | lirakis | some times it flickers a little bit like its trying to do some framebuffer stuff .. but it never advances |
| 18:25.49 | lirakis | ive searched around, but i can not find any one posting this problem |
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| 18:27.20 | lirakis | to clarify, i am using the netinst i386 iso |
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| 18:28.00 | lapsusbrutus | jhutchins: its not my system, sorry for being unclear. Its a newly set up debian install that need spanish gnome, and I just cant remeber how I did it last time (the standard way Im sure.. I would have remebered how if it was hard.. lol) |
| 18:28.35 | lapsusbrutus | I never use gnome my self.. |
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| 18:28.42 | Harith | Hello, I installed Debian Squeeze, I followed the "howtoforge" tutorials, now when it comes to install MySQL: following message appears |
| 18:28.44 | Harith | Package mysql-server is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:28.44 | Harith | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 18:28.44 | Harith | is only available from another source |
| 18:28.44 | Harith | E: Package 'mysql-server' has no installation candidate |
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| 18:29.52 | stew | Harith: you are probably missing a 'main' debian mirror (perhaps you only have a security mirror). see /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
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| 18:31.18 | Harith | stew: how to do that? I usually see it by issuing: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:32.18 | stew | Harith: yes, that is how you edit it. if you type "/msg dpkg squeeze sources.list" here in irc, our bot named dpkg will give you information |
| 18:32.27 | lirakis | maybe i need a different iso .. im just going by what the debian eee wiki said |
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| 18:33.29 | stew | lirakis: you might get better help in #debian-eeepc on irc.debian.org |
| 18:33.37 | lirakis | ok |
| 18:33.51 | lirakis | oh .. different network .. thats kinda lame |
| 18:33.52 | lirakis | ha ha |
| 18:33.56 | antiwire | hey, I'm trying to use synaptic to install flash player plugin non free and synaptic throws a checksum error after the download and in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ I just have a pubkey.asc |
| 18:34.34 | antiwire | sha512sum rejected |
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| 18:35.25 | Harith | stew: you're correct... now I issued it here, the list given me is different than the existed ones by default, except for one, what to do??? |
| 18:35.57 | stew | Harith: if you want to show us what you have in a pastebin, we could probably tell you what you are missing |
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| 18:36.44 | ansgar | antiwire: There is an open bug for that. |
| 18:36.44 | lapsusbrutus | system-config-language whats the debian tool for this? |
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| 18:37.12 | antiwire | ansgar: is there a workaround? |
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| 18:38.04 | Harith | Ok stew: thanks, here it is, http://pastebin.com/atTbE9T5 |
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| 18:39.57 | Harith | stew, by the way, I added line 16 in the sources.list |
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| 18:40.29 | stew | Harith: yeah, you are missing a main mirror, what country are you in |
| 18:40.49 | Harith | stew, I'm in Iraq |
| 18:40.53 | stew | Harith: also, when stuff like php starts segfaulting, you can probably blame the poor quality packages from dotdeb, if you decide to use them |
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| 18:42.24 | stew | Harith: i'm not sure what mirrors are close to there, you might try "deb http://debian.co.il/debian squeeze main" |
| 18:42.41 | stew | Harith: or replace debian.co.il with some other mirror from here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 18:43.31 | stew | Harith: perhaps http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian instead of debian.co.il |
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| 18:45.07 | Harith | stew, you're picking the countries based on the closeness? |
| 18:45.41 | stew | Harith: yes |
| 18:46.17 | Harith | stew, then .il might be the best possibility |
| 18:46.21 | antiwire | is there a way to just force apt-get to ignore that checksum error for now? |
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| 18:47.29 | Harith | stew, so is it ok to add the lines whatever their number was in the file? |
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| 18:48.28 | stew | Harith: the order of the lines in that file do not matter |
| 18:48.34 | N1x | hi guysm, how to install e17 on debian |
| 18:48.37 | N1x | ? :) |
| 18:48.53 | stew | antiwire: its not apt-get, but the flashplugin-nonfree software itself, if there is a bug about this in the bts, that should have the workaround if one is known |
| 18:48.59 | dkr | !e17 |
| 18:48.59 | dpkg | Enlightenment is an advanced <window manager> for X11. DR16 (Development Release) is packaged for Lenny and Squeeze as e16, removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #619707. DR17 is packaged as e17 in unstable. The Debian packages from packages.enlightenment.org are not supported in #debian. http://www.enlightenment.org/ #e on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:49.43 | N1x | and is not recomended to install e17 on deb? |
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| 18:50.32 | dkr | well, it's in unstable. I would call that a reommendation to not install it |
| 18:50.40 | dkr | er, I would not call it that. oops |
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| 18:54.15 | ukr_888 | Need recomendations for virtualizations. Looking to run at least 4 VMs on 4 servers. Anyone thinks Citrix Xen is good? |
| 18:54.28 | N1x | dkr: and what is light gui, except xfce |
| 18:54.39 | joltcan | ukr_888: I run xen on my system, it's pretty ok. However, I think vmware is better |
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| 18:55.17 | joltcan | ukr_888: openvz seems pretty good as well. But I have only used xen from Debian, not the official Citrix stuff |
| 18:56.19 | ukr_888 | joltcan: sounds great, I am building a backend from scratch for a business |
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| 18:57.13 | jhutchins | Harith: Please pastebin your sources-list. |
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| 18:57.19 | jhutchins | Harith: Please pastebin your sources-list. |
| 18:57.26 | joltcan | ukr_888: just make sure you have hardware support for virtualization in your cpu |
| 18:57.29 | jhutchins | Oops. Stuck in the scrollback. |
| 18:57.39 | jhutchins | Harith: N'mind. |
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| 18:58.21 | ukr_888 | joltcan: I think I am gonna try both and see which ones I like. I already got some dell servers on order with virtualization cpus |
| 18:58.50 | joltcan | ukr_888: then you're all set |
| 18:58.55 | ukr_888 | joltcan: 16 gigs or ram a pop |
| 18:59.11 | twobitsprite | that's all? |
| 19:00.03 | twobitsprite | ohh... 4 vms on 4 server |
| 19:00.26 | ukr_888 | Well I am gonna run two VMs at first. then if needed we'll expand |
| 19:00.31 | Harith | jhutchins, stew: here is my pastebin sources.list, problem still existed: http://pastebin.com/vVym8mtM |
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| 19:00.39 | twobitsprite | I'm assuming that's per server, not total, right? |
| 19:00.49 | jhutchins | Harith: I did not see your conversation with stew before I posted. |
| 19:01.10 | ukr_888 | 4the plans are to run 4 vms per machine, but thats later down the road |
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| 19:01.18 | stew | Harith: the # is a comment character which is causing those lines to be ignored. You should delete the # on line 17 |
| 19:01.22 | joltcan | ukr_888: also, if someone else is paying, have a look at vmware esxi, especially if you want other storage backends etc, they have some pretty nice features in there |
| 19:01.29 | Harith | jhutchins: take a look :D, maybe you can help as well, thanks |
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| 19:01.38 | jhutchins | Harith: You need to uncomment line 17 and possibly modify it for your location. |
| 19:01.40 | joltcan | ukr_888: but xen, openvz goes a long way |
| 19:01.45 | twobitsprite | our vmware farm runs 53 vms (total) on 4 servers... hence my surprise when you said only 16GB :P |
| 19:01.57 | ukr_888 | I was thinking of using ISCI SANs |
| 19:02.11 | ukr_888 | holy crap |
| 19:02.20 | Harith | jhutchins: squeeze main? delete it? |
| 19:02.46 | jhutchins | Harith: No, remove the # at the beginning that makes it an inactive "comment" line. |
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| 19:03.01 | ukr_888 | joltcan: i heard about esxi, good things |
| 19:04.01 | ukr_888 | Harith: use vim if you can it does great syntax highlighting and you can see whats commented and whats not.... |
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| 19:04.43 | biberao | hi |
| 19:04.58 | ukr_888 | joltcan: any good place I can read up on openvz? |
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| 19:05.47 | jhutchins | ukr_888: The standard vim-tiny doesn't do that. |
| 19:05.52 | twobitsprite | is excited about LXC containers |
| 19:06.39 | ukr_888 | jhutchins: you are correct. |
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| 19:06.54 | Harith | jhutchins: http://pastebin.com/ZRk5kccP, now? |
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| 19:07.26 | stew | Harith: yes, now run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update", |
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| 19:08.01 | stew | Harith: you can also consider taking out the cdrom lins unless you want to install some packages from the cd instead of from the net |
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| 19:09.28 | Harith | stew, jhutchins: OMG! it's updating? but how the # made the difference, I didn't get it :/ |
| 19:09.45 | twobitsprite | Harith: a # at the beginning of the line makes apt ignore that line |
| 19:09.57 | twobitsprite | Harith: it's called a "comment" |
| 19:10.30 | Harith | twobitsprite, ok, cool, many thanks, I completely got it |
| 19:10.50 | ukr_888 | thanks guys for your help and info. Have a great day... |
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| 19:12.10 | Harith | thanks stew, jhutchins, twobitsprite: many thanks for help, it's installing the software I need now |
| 19:12.19 | jhutchins | Harith: It's a convenient way to switch something off but keep the details handy. |
| 19:12.27 | kingsley | How would you check if a misconfigured iptables causes ping from a virtual machine to hang, and entries like "Jun 9 00:03:46 <host> kernel: [179010.101914] IN=br0 OUT=br0 PHYSIN=tap0 PHYSOUT=eth0 SRC..." to appear in /var/log/messages? |
| 19:12.33 | jhutchins | !tell Harith about contrib |
| 19:13.40 | twobitsprite | kingsley: how about you start off by explaining what the problem is... and can you paste the full error message? |
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| 19:19.56 | kingsley | twobitsprite: An elaborate description of the problem is: I just replaced our old friend eth0 with a bridge named br0. The bridge should allow a virtual machine running under kvm to see other computers on its host's private net. However, when I use the "ping" utility from command line of the guest virtual machine, the command hangs, and messages like "Jun 9 00:03:46 <host> kernel: [179010.101914] IN=br0 OUT=br0 PHYSIN=tap0 PHYSOUT=eth0 SRC |
| 19:19.57 | kingsley | =<private net IP address 1> DST=<private net IP address 2> LEN=84 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=ICMP TYPE=8 CODE=0 ID=33542 SEQ=1" to appear in /var/log/messages. tcpdump on the destination host shows nothing was received. |
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| 19:20.55 | Daviey | Does Steve Kemp hang around here, does anyone know? |
| 19:21.22 | kingsley | I suspect iptables is dropping packets, but I'd appreciate some experienced advice to steer me in the right direction. |
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| 19:28.15 | twobitsprite | kingsley: those looks like informational messages to me, it doesn't seem like it's reporting an error... sounds like something has some debug flag set |
| 19:29.12 | twobitsprite | kingsley: care to pastebin your "iptables -L" output |
| 19:29.54 | stew | iptables-save would be better |
| 19:30.25 | twobitsprite | that too |
| 19:30.45 | stew | (especially since the problem here might be related to -i or -o which iptables -L skips) |
| 19:30.58 | twobitsprite | true |
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| 19:32.28 | Night-Hacks | hi |
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| 19:32.51 | Night-Hacks | my fdisk -l output shows boot * sign infront of /dev/sda1 |
| 19:33.02 | Night-Hacks | does it means its my boot partition ? |
| 19:33.35 | Night-Hacks | but i didnt seprate my /boot while installation ! |
| 19:33.42 | twobitsprite | Night-Hacks: that means it has the bot flag enabled, not necessarily that it's the device you actually booted off of |
| 19:33.48 | jhambo | hi folks I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze on an Acer Aspire one. Using usb flash drive as install media. The installer shows up but I can't interact with it. Keyboard and mouse have no effect whatsoever. What can I do? |
| 19:33.54 | twobitsprite | s/bot/boot |
| 19:34.33 | kingsley | stew: Thanks for suggesting iptables-save. I was unaware that it reports more detail, and I'm glad to learn it. |
| 19:34.34 | Bartzy|work | how can I count messages in mbox and/or maildir mailboxes ? |
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| 19:34.46 | kingsley | stew: I'll check its output. |
| 19:35.08 | Night-Hacks | jhambo: i had some problems with it but i changed my flash mem and it solved |
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| 19:35.43 | twobitsprite | jhambo: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer |
| 19:35.53 | twobitsprite | jhambo: find your model on that site and see if that helps |
| 19:36.03 | jhambo | twobitsprite: yah that doesn't help. |
| 19:36.11 | jhambo | thanks though |
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| 19:36.16 | Night-Hacks | twobitsprite: a question is how grub knows about /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 19:36.32 | th0r | can someone point me to the package for user and group maintenance please. It is installed in gnome (Users and Groups) but not in XFCE |
| 19:36.46 | Night-Hacks | twobitsprite: infact how it finds it ? |
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| 19:38.24 | Night-Hacks | any idea ? |
| 19:38.29 | shundake | Hello there! |
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| 19:38.58 | buntfalke_ | Hi |
| 19:38.59 | nickgaw | can gammu backup my nokia n-95 8GB sms messages so I can transfer them to an android phone? I am using debian testing. |
| 19:40.00 | buntfalke_ | How long will it take, approx., until KDE4.6 reaches the ftp.de.debian.org mirror in testing? According to packages.debian.org it's been moved from unstable to testing, but aptitude update && aptitude show konqueror will still show 4.4 |
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| 19:40.43 | themill | buntfalke: what version of debian are yo using? |
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| 19:40.47 | shundake | Somebody have the slighest idea of why the HDMI audio of this device (lspci) http://pastebin.com/T5r1Xh5H don't work? |
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| 19:41.17 | buntfalke | nickgaw: Does gammu support the n95 to begin with? contact gammu support for this and state the version currently distributed by debian. AFAIK gammu is meant for older nokia models. |
| 19:41.29 | twobitsprite | Night-Hacks: I'm not really sure how it finds it... |
| 19:41.32 | buntfalke | themill: Testing, as mentioned |
| 19:41.46 | themill | ,versions konqueror |
| 19:41.47 | judd | Package konqueror on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; sid: 4:4.6.3-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.3-1 |
| 19:41.52 | themill | buntfalke: it's already on the .de mirror |
| 19:42.05 | nickgaw | does gammu have email support anywhere as I can't find an address to write to to ask? |
| 19:42.18 | buntfalke | themill: Ja...never mind. I just noticed. something must be wrong here. when i type in "aptitude show konqueror/testing" it all show up fine |
| 19:42.30 | buntfalke | Hmmm |
| 19:42.33 | Night-Hacks | twobitsprite: its the confusion point |
| 19:42.34 | somiaj | shundake: define doesn't work -- cat /proc/asound/cards -- if you don't see the soundcard there you need to see if you can get a module/driver for that card. |
| 19:42.47 | twobitsprite | Night-Hacks: are you having problems getting it to boot? |
| 19:42.56 | buntfalke | themill: How can I make aptitude tell me why it shows the old version? |
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| 19:43.19 | Night-Hacks | twobitsprite: no, it's ok. just problem on odd behavior of Grub |
| 19:43.23 | shundake | somiaj: Don'tr work is "without audio on HDMI" |
| 19:43.26 | buntfalke | I'm rather sure my apt preferences pin stable down properly, besides testing being the target of this installation |
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| 19:43.52 | themill | buntfalke: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude versions konqueror" |
| 19:43.53 | jsubl2 | shundake: try creating a file /etc/modprode.d/sound.conf with something like http://pastebin.com/7dRT5EZS |
| 19:43.57 | somiaj | buntfalke: apt will usually show the version curentally installed -- are you trying to mix testing/stable distributions...that sounds really bad. |
| 19:44.42 | somiaj | shundake: yes I get you hear no sound, but there are many reasons why it doesn't work. First see if alsa sees the hdmi cound card (if it doesnt, you found out why it doesn't work) |
| 19:45.00 | somiaj | shundake: if alsa sees the sound card, but your not getting any audio though it, that is a different problem |
| 19:46.30 | buntfalke | somiaj: I thought aptitude show the version it available, not the one installed. And: no discussion regarding mixing and pinning, please :-) let's rather discuss editors or programming languages ;-) |
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| 19:47.00 | twobitsprite | nano ftw! |
| 19:47.17 | shundake | somiaj: Ok... We have a different problem >.< |
| 19:47.38 | antiwire | lol iceweasel crashes after I manually install the flashplugin from Adobe.... |
| 19:47.50 | antiwire | so the repo is broken and iceweasel is broken |
| 19:47.51 | antiwire | nice |
| 19:47.51 | shundake | somiaj: at alsamixer I can see the card as HD-Audio Generic (ATI R6xx HDMI) |
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| 19:48.07 | shundake | somiaj: but with any volume control |
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| 19:48.23 | buntfalke | themill: http://nopaste.info/9856dfb621.html (I removed whitespaces for readability) |
| 19:49.08 | somiaj | antiwire: define manually install -- all it requires is you copy a single file somewhere -- where did you copy that file? |
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| 19:49.58 | shundake | somiaj: So.. here the proc/asound http://pastebin.com/QXX8TBdr |
| 19:50.10 | somiaj | shundake: you mean without any volume control? Yea my hdmi sound card as a single option s/pdif that I can mute/unmute - did you try to unmount it? |
| 19:50.34 | shundake | somiaj: How may I do this? |
| 19:50.37 | themill | buntfalke: that says that the candidate version shoudl be 4:4.6.3-1 which is what it should then show. Odd. |
| 19:51.04 | jhambo | Night-Hacks: tried a different flash memory and same problem... |
| 19:51.15 | buntfalke | themill: When running aptitude safe-upgrade it needs to resolve conflicts -- I usually never see that being calculated |
| 19:51.22 | somiaj | shundake: 'm' is the mute button in alsamixer -- my cards actually shows an "HDMI" card as well as the 'SB' card -- it could be the module isn't giving that card full features. I'd ask google I don't think I cna be of uch more help except to help you define what your real problem is |
| 19:51.34 | Night-Hacks | jhambo: no idea ... |
| 19:51.35 | themill | buntfalke: a major kde upgrade is going to take a full-upgrade not a safe-upgrade. |
| 19:51.35 | buntfalke | and it /would/ do some partial kde upgrade of few packages (~15 or so) |
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| 19:51.45 | buntfalke | Ah. |
| 19:51.47 | buntfalke | Why is that? |
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| 19:52.05 | shundake | somiaj: Ok.. Wait a minute... I'll try to explain... |
| 19:52.14 | stew | buntfalke: in order to remove obsolete packages |
| 19:52.45 | themill | buntfalke: it is most likely going to have to remove some packages and install new ones. While aptitude safe-upgrade can do that it would prefer not to and would instead leave lots of bits held back. |
| 19:52.48 | DasmARKETING | warum denn nicht |
| 19:52.56 | th0r | is there a way to restore the default group memberships to a user? |
| 19:53.04 | DasmARKETING | http://www.snowlinux.de/ |
| 19:53.06 | shundake | somiaj: So... My HDMI outputs image as well, but doesn't output any sound |
| 19:53.08 | DasmARKETING | free linux operating system |
| 19:53.17 | DasmARKETING | based up on debian squeeze, making it very easieir |
| 19:53.22 | DasmARKETING | easier |
| 19:53.23 | themill | DasmARKETING: please advertise elsewhere... /dev/null, for instance. |
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| 19:53.37 | somiaj | shundake: your /proc/asound/cards does not show an HDMI card (like mine does) -- I think its a module/driver problem, use google to figure out what alsa module you need for that. |
| 19:53.39 | DasmARKETING | okay |
| 19:53.53 | skiz | yellow snow! |
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| 19:54.21 | buntfalke | DasmARKETING: Besides, it's not "das Marketing", but "die Werbung", if you intend to address a German audience. |
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| 19:54.51 | DasmARKETING | ja, skiz, ich weiÃ, war absichtlich so |
| 19:54.58 | DasmARKETING | bin muttersprachler deutsche sprache |
| 19:55.08 | DasmARKETING | deutsch |
| 19:55.11 | DasmARKETING | na gut reden wir lieber englisch |
| 19:55.25 | stew | DasmARKETING: english only in here, please, and please stay on-topic, which is debian end-user support |
| 19:55.37 | shundake | somiaj: hum... What is the difference between "cat /proc/asound/cards" and "aplay -l" ?? |
| 19:55.38 | DasmARKETING | h |
| 19:55.38 | DasmARKETING | okay |
| 19:55.44 | DasmARKETING | well where did we stop |
| 19:55.57 | DasmARKETING | the linux making everything easier because it uses jockey-gtk |
| 19:55.59 | DasmARKETING | of ubuntu |
| 19:56.03 | DasmARKETING | hehe |
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| 19:56.16 | skiz | DasmARKETING: Ich spreche nur Englisch und Versand unerwünschter Werbebotschaften in der Datenbank ist eine schlechte Praxis. |
| 19:56.17 | themill | DasmARKETING: please take a break from #debian and be more signal and less noise |
| 19:56.29 | stew | skiz: english only in here, please |
| 19:56.39 | skiz | stew: translate :P |
| 19:56.55 | jhambo | Trying to install Debian Squeeze on an Acer Aspire one. Flash drive as install media. The installer shows up but I can't interact with it. Keyboard and mouse have no effect whatsoever. I used the instructions in "4.3.2. Manually copying files to the USB stick" to setup the drive. Any ideas? |
| 19:57.45 | buntfalke | themill, stew: Thanks. But: Those packages full-upgrade would remove, why arent they marked auto, so safe-upgrade would suffice? |
| 19:57.55 | buntfalke | I don't quite get it yet, tbh. |
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| 19:58.41 | themill | buntfalke: they would be marked auto-installed which makes safe-upgrade happier to remove them, but there is still a penalty associated with that action so if there are lots of them to remove, it tries to avoid that. |
| 19:59.12 | antiwire | somiaj: into the plugin directory. iceweasel crashes with flash sites now |
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| 19:59.20 | buntfalke | themill: Because those penalties are accumulated --> lots --> dont do? |
| 19:59.27 | themill | buntfalke: pretty much |
| 19:59.31 | buntfalke | I see. Thanks :-) |
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| 20:01.09 | themill | buntfalke: §2 of the aptitude user guide has some details on how it does these calculations. |
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| 20:02.55 | buntfalke | Ah, thanks! |
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| 20:07.48 | antiwire | somiaj: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 20:07.51 | kingsley | What, if any, is a good tool for exploring, debugging and configuring iptables, ideally with a user friendly GUI? |
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| 20:07.55 | antiwire | somiaj: That's where I placed it |
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| 20:08.44 | antiwire | browsing to an example site, that works fine with adobe's plugin on Slackware with firefox, causes iceweasel to exit. |
| 20:08.51 | antiwire | http://www.surfline.com |
| 20:08.54 | gimpy1372 | Running 6.0.1, how do I tell which repo this is in? http://packages.debian.org/stable/editors/kate |
| 20:09.35 | babilen | gimpy1372: kate is in stable |
| 20:09.59 | antivirtel | Hi! I've just installed fail2ban to protect my server from usual attackers. My problem is, that the iptables block does nothing: "Chain fail2ban-ssh (1 references)[NEWLINE] DROP all -- 84.x.y.z anywhere" - I've loaded kernel module ip_tables... what could cause that problem? |
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| 20:10.50 | Raccoon1400 | what do I need to install to play .wma? |
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| 20:10.52 | microcluster | hallo |
| 20:10.53 | babilen | gimpy1372: I guess that I don't quite understand your question -- kate is in Debian main and if you are using the current stable release (i.e. squeeze) you can find it there too. If you don't have it you might have to fiddle with your /etc/apt/sources.list -- /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 20:11.29 | microcluster | i have 4gb on my notebook but the system recognize only 3gb, why? |
| 20:11.43 | babilen | Raccoon1400: vlc and mplayer are popular and good video players |
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| 20:11.59 | pipeline | microcluster: you need the pae/bigmem kernel |
| 20:12.11 | pipeline | microcluster: apt-cache search linux-image | egrep "pae||bigmem" |
| 20:12.13 | Raccoon1400 | its playing .wma now. I could have sworn it wasn't before |
| 20:12.25 | babilen | microcluster: Could also be a hardware limit, but which kernel are you using on which architecture? |
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| 20:12.40 | babilen | Raccoon1400: Well, that is good isn't it? :) |
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| 20:13.32 | microcluster | pipeline, thi is my kernel 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 20:14.01 | babilen | microcluster: which processor/chipset is this? but yeah, install the -bigmem kernel first |
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| 20:14.10 | microcluster | babilen, before i've 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 20:14.48 | babilen | microcluster: Yes, you can naturally also use the amd64 kernel -- So, you only "see" 3gb regardless of the kernel you use? |
| 20:14.57 | microcluster | babilen, installing the bigmen kernel i need format all? |
| 20:15.21 | babilen | you mean "format all" as in "wipe the system" ? |
| 20:15.50 | shundake | somiaj: According to some foruns and bug reports the module for "ATI R6xx HDMI" is the snd-hda-intel |
| 20:15.59 | microcluster | babilen, my cpu is core2duo on hp2530p notebook |
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| 20:16.09 | ZykoticK9_ | microcluster, 64bit (amd64) can use all 4GB by default, PAE/bigmem is a sorta "hack" where no one process can actually use more then 3GB. |
| 20:16.48 | pipeline | ZykoticK9_, microcluster : The "hack" is the correct way to handle this for a desktop. Just install the pae/bigmem kernel and have done. You don't need to wipe anything, just install then ew "linux-image-blah-blah-bigmem" package and reboot. |
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| 20:17.19 | microcluster | ZykoticK9_, i change the kernel because compiling the broadcom-sta i have had errors |
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| 20:17.44 | Furai` | Can I have 2 screen processes running simultaneously? |
| 20:17.44 | ZykoticK9_ | microcluster, 32bit with PAE is probably the way to go, as pipeline pointed out. |
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| 20:17.58 | Furai` | If yes how to manage them? |
| 20:18.23 | ZykoticK9_ | Furai`, yes, "screen -ls" then "screen -r ####" |
| 20:18.25 | Furai` | Or maybe I should just make another window withing one screen to run there another programme? |
| 20:18.48 | babilen | microcluster: Ok, you should either install the -bigmem kernel or the amd64 one (in the latter case you have a 64bit kernel and 32bit userland (i.e. all the other software)) -- There are chipsets that can *not* use more than 3gb (the 945GME/945PM for example) |
| 20:18.49 | microcluster | ZykoticK9_, ok i'll try to install the bigman kernel |
| 20:18.58 | bzrk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.05 | microcluster | babilen, with the amd64 kernel i wasn't able to compile the broadcom module for wifi |
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| 20:20.25 | microcluster | babilen, changing with 686 it works |
| 20:20.38 | babilen | microcluster: ok, just use the bigmem kernel then |
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| 20:20.53 | babilen | but why do you need to compile the module yourself? |
| 20:21.04 | jhambo | is it possible that I need some firmware for keyboard and mouse to work on my Acer Aspire One during installation?? |
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| 20:21.27 | microcluster | babilen, because with other modules i have had problem |
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| 20:21.45 | microcluster | babilen, b43 doesn't works fine |
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| 20:22.32 | babilen | I am quite certain that you don't need to compile the module yourself -- You either need firmware or a newer kernel which you can get from backports (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) -- Could you give us the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ? |
| 20:22.35 | microcluster | babilen, i read on squeeze guide for that |
| 20:22.58 | microcluster | babilen, of course |
| 20:23.00 | babilen | where? |
| 20:23.53 | microcluster | babilen, 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f5] (rev 03) |
| 20:23.53 | microcluster | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 20:24.30 | babilen | !bcm4312 |
| 20:24.31 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> as of Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Lenny users, see <bcm4312 lenny>. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 is a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 20:25.12 | babilen | microcluster: You have the firmware installed? But IIRC that device works nicer with a newer kernel. |
| 20:26.00 | microcluster | babilen, first of all i used the b43 lpphy but at home i lost a lot of time the wifi connection |
| 20:26.32 | microcluster | babilen, now it's ok |
| 20:26.58 | babilen | with "wl"? well, if it is working ok we should be happy :) |
| 20:27.12 | microcluster | babilen, yes |
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| 20:28.17 | blip2 | meh neither wl or b43 are perfect for some cards :/ |
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| 20:33.24 | shundake | somiaj: Look http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=deb68881ca89476124e884164b9785f587dc9a65 |
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| 20:34.15 | microcluster | babilen, if i remove the linux-image-2.6.32-686 automatically remove the broadcom-sta-modules |
| 20:35.00 | babilen | microcluster: What? You installed the bigmem kernel and when you remove the -686 one b-sta-mods get uninstalled |
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| 20:36.28 | microcluster | babilen, i selected the image on apt and it said this |
| 20:37.10 | babilen | So, you installed the bigmem kernel and rebooted into it? May I see the aptitude/apt-get output? |
| 20:37.47 | jhambo | I follow these directions precisely "4.3.3. Manually copying files to the USB stick â the flexible way" and all I get is a blinking cursor. Tried 3 times now with different flash drives and same result. Is it possible that the installer just doesn't even load with some computers? |
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| 20:38.36 | stew | jhambo: you should be able to just copy an .iso directly onto the usb stick and boot that |
| 20:38.58 | jham | argh... |
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| 20:40.19 | jhambo | stew: with nothing else at all on the drive? These directions tell to do "syslinux /dev/sdb1" and then stuff like making a syslinux.cfg file. |
| 20:40.38 | microcluster | babilen, no i didn't do it, i need remove my actually installed kernel or not? |
| 20:41.14 | babilen | microcluster: No, don't install the kernel you are currently running and you can have multiple kernels installed at the same time. Just make sure you boot the -bigmem one. |
| 20:41.22 | stew | jhambo: yes, just "cp foo.iso /dev/sdb" (not /dev/sdb1). it will erase the contents of the drive completely, so make sure you have the right one |
| 20:41.22 | babilen | *uninstall |
| 20:42.21 | babilen | microcluster: (I obviously meant: don't *un*install the currently running kernel) |
| 20:42.57 | jhambo | stew: do I need to mount it first? |
| 20:43.13 | stew | jhambo: no, it should not be mounted |
| 20:44.55 | jhambo | stew: I'm using debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso and trying to install on an acer aspire one netbook. When I do what you said "cp debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdb" and then try to boot, all I get is a blinking cursor... |
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| 20:45.48 | stew | hm |
| 20:46.36 | microcluster | babilen, sorry but i need too install the image or the headers? |
| 20:47.22 | jhambo | stew: I checked md5 of the downloaded iso and it was good... |
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| 20:48.20 | babilen | microcluster: the image :) |
| 20:48.29 | aston | What causes "ACPI Error: No installed handler for fixed event [0x00000000] (20100702/evevent-305)"? |
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| 20:48.48 | babilen | microcluster: (although you probably need the headers *too* if you want to compile a module for that kernel) |
| 20:49.03 | aston | Sorry, I asked earlier, then went to work and my connection here died, so I missed any answers. |
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| 20:49.59 | jhambo | First time I've ever had trouble getting the installer to run... |
| 20:50.06 | aston | Immediately after this (according to dmesg), I lose all access to usb powered devices, including external hard drives and mouse and keyboard. |
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| 20:51.24 | jhambo | stew: should I need a network cable plugged in for the installer to launch? |
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| 20:54.10 | biberao | bye |
| 20:54.10 | gkffjcs__ | So after several hours of messing with boot scripts and then attempting to use an external vga to composite adapter I discovered quite by accident that debian is setting my video out to PAL, and my Televison is NTSC, how do I stop debian from setting the tv out on my video card to PAL? |
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| 20:55.22 | jhambo | w00t. installer running now. tried the business card iso... |
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| 20:59.09 | K-sPecial | Everyone please stand bye. There seems to be some discrepancy w/ my irc client. |
| 21:00.20 | ompaul | wonders if that was bye or by but hey |
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| 21:00.31 | shundake | No one more? |
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| 21:01.37 | shundake | HDMI with no sound output on debian .... |
| 21:02.15 | aston | Any suggestions on a resource for troubleshooting ACPI errors? |
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| 21:02.53 | jhutchins | shundake: Why do you think we should help you with Ubuntu? |
| 21:03.42 | shundake | jhutchins: I use debian .... |
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| 21:04.10 | jhutchins | shundake: Sorry, your paste said Ubuntu. I was trying to figure out what your question was. |
| 21:04.37 | shundake | jhutchins: Oh... It's about the modules of ATI hdmi |
| 21:04.57 | shundake | jhutchins: So.. I'll back later |
| 21:05.02 | stew | shundake: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:05.24 | mpopp | you made him quit |
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| 21:07.31 | jelly-home | problem solved? |
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| 21:09.36 | ma3x | hi |
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| 21:10.33 | ma3x | what causes my keyboard to go crazy randomly? im still using lenny. at random times it stops responding and then in order to type something i should hold one key pressed for 2 secs and i get double or triple key printed. |
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| 21:10.47 | ma3x | oh and until what month is lenny supported? |
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| 21:11.11 | Bushmills | ma3x: gnome? |
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| 21:13.23 | ma3x | Bushmills: kde3 |
| 21:13.37 | ma3x | kdebase 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1 |
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| 21:14.02 | ma3x | kde related you mean? or rather xorg? |
| 21:14.09 | stew | ma3x: its supported until february or so |
| 21:14.11 | ma3x | when i exit xorg and then enter again, it works |
| 21:14.24 | ma3x | alright stew |
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| 21:15.03 | Bushmills | sounds like assistive technologies - or the kde equivalent if. with gnome, those would randonly toggle something sometimes, slow key it was, i think. |
| 21:15.28 | ma3x | grub2 still seems complicated for me, i'd use squeeze but with the older grub |
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| 21:15.28 | Bushmills | s/if/of it/ |
| 21:16.07 | Bushmills | grub-legacy |
| 21:16.13 | biberao | bye |
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| 21:19.02 | jhambo | When I select a mirror in the installer (squeeze) I get "Bad archive mirror" and when I look at the virtual console 4 it says "mirror edoes not support the specified release (squeeze)". I get this message no matter what mirror I select. How can I get this to work?? |
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| 21:25.48 | poisonbit | jhambo, use the stable installer ? |
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| 21:26.54 | jhambo | poisonbit: I'm using debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso. Isn't that the stable installer? |
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| 21:27.39 | lapsusbrutus | http://osdir.com/ml/general/2011-06/msg10365.html Crap this just happened to me.. anyone else having this problem? sha512sum rejected on aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:28.27 | poisonbit | jhambo, i don't know about filenames, just pick your arch and media from http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:29.14 | jhambo | poisonbit: yah I did that. |
| 21:29.34 | craigevil | lapsusbrutus, just install flashplayer-mozilla from the dmm repo, unless you need the 64bit flash then you are out of luck |
| 21:29.45 | poisonbit | jham, mmm tryed another mirror? |
| 21:29.52 | poisonbit | sorry jhambo ^^^ |
| 21:29.56 | ansgar | lapsusbrutus: Finding a bug report is suggestive that other people have similar problems ;) |
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| 21:31.27 | flam_ | lapsusbrutus, my flash broke yesterday because of it |
| 21:31.32 | flam_ | dmm repo? |
| 21:31.47 | craigevil | !dmm |
| 21:31.47 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 21:31.49 | poisonbit | if sha512sum where the single problem of flash 64bits on linux... |
| 21:31.50 | jhambo | poisonbit: yah 'bout 15 different mirrors the world over give the same error |
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| 21:32.39 | poisonbit | jhambo, sorry, I haven't had that problem installing squeeze... I can only think about maybe a network problem (?) |
| 21:32.59 | jhambo | poisonbit: yah would seem so but I've never had this happen either |
| 21:33.27 | poisonbit | you can see logs on tty4 or try some basic debug on ttys 2-3 if network is up |
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| 21:35.44 | poisonbit | some of these days flash will be deprecated by html6 on chrome 17.8 |
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| 21:36.20 | cookiemon5ter | o.0 |
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| 21:36.21 | aston | Might take a while yet. |
| 21:36.40 | poisonbit | unfortunately. |
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| 21:36.54 | craigevil | only thing chrome is good for is playing games like angry birds :) |
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| 21:38.05 | poisonbit | I don't know why, but chromium seems like a preemtible kernel compared with iceweasel 3.6 or 4 here |
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| 21:38.48 | aston | I use chromium, but do not really customise stuff much. |
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| 21:39.02 | microcluster | babilen, thanks a lot |
| 21:39.38 | iridos | chromium on squeeze has a couple of (for me and over time) extremely annoying flaws that can't be fixed by extension |
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| 21:39.43 | iridos | or only partially |
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| 21:40.02 | microcluster | ZykoticK9_, operation done and all works |
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| 21:40.15 | babilen | microcluster: working now? |
| 21:40.18 | aston | iridos: Such as? |
| 21:40.31 | microcluster | babilen, yes all ram |
| 21:40.59 | microcluster | wifi compiled and working |
| 21:41.12 | babilen | wonderful :) |
| 21:42.11 | microcluster | babilen, i've a question |
| 21:42.29 | iridos | aston, like... you can "paste" an url on any "free" surface with the middle mouse button into firefox and it will go there... that can be fixed in chromium, but only for "regular pages", still, if you paste a leading space it tries to interpret that as the protocol... |
| 21:42.38 | RichiH | is there a way to get routes on linux by source & target? i.e. ip magic_route get from 1.2.3.4 to 5.6.7.8 and it tells me what ip rule it matches, which routing table is used, what route is matched |
| 21:42.47 | microcluster | babilen, sincerely what do you think of mac |
| 21:43.13 | iridos | aston, downloads don't have any ".part" extension or somesuch... I thought that's nice at start, until I realized there is no way to see if a download was successful or ended prematurely |
| 21:43.31 | poisonbit | RichiH, ip route show table all | grep -- "$source" ? |
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| 21:43.46 | babilen | microcluster: Not the right channel for this discussion and I am not in the mood for it anyway. To cut it short: There is better hardware and I don't use OSX. |
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| 21:44.09 | iridos | aston, then, it doesn't distinguish between "download" and "download for viewing in an external application" - so everything goes to the download directory, even the files (mainly pdfs) that you never intended to keep |
| 21:44.14 | iridos | aston, and so on :) |
| 21:44.26 | RichiH | poisonbit: that does not tell me what rule is used |
| 21:44.33 | RichiH | poisonbit: ip rule show |
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| 21:44.41 | microcluster | babilen, ok |
| 21:44.41 | aston | iridos: Ah, I see. Makes sense. My single biggest gripe is lack of an inline pdf viewer. Although, to be fair, I have not really looked for a fix. |
| 21:44.42 | poisonbit | ah rules |
| 21:44.58 | microcluster | babilen, ok |
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| 21:46.11 | iridos | aston, I never really wanted one... there is an extension that lets you view all pdfs in google docs - only that also sucks for me, as I sometimes/often view pdfs from journals which can't be downloaded by anyone (but from the IP at university) - so when google docs tries to downloade it to display it to me, that fails |
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| 21:46.58 | aston | I had the same issue with pdfs in general. |
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| 21:49.59 | iridos | s/anyone/everyone/ |
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| 21:51.40 | pickcoder | I need to post a local admin job ad, but am unsure about the best places to post. Any suggestions? |
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| 21:52.27 | poisonbit | there is a debian-jobs mailing list |
| 21:53.18 | poisonbit | pickcoder, maybe it's in spain ? :) |
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| 21:54.00 | poisonbit | switched to from sysadmin to web developer, because he is in a company where sysadmin jobs are shit while web dev are better conditions |
| 21:54.08 | poisonbit | but I loved the sysadmin work |
| 21:54.29 | thewanderer1s | Hi. How to tell my kernel not to use DMA on disks? nodma and hda=nodma hdb=nodma don't work (do nothing) - I'm on Lenny |
| 21:54.46 | pickcoder | well it's a mix-pot position with the focus being secondary admin and tech support |
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| 21:55.33 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: check out hdparm |
| 21:55.38 | poisonbit | thewanderer1, if kernel magic doesn't work try setting using hdparm on boot |
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| 21:56.47 | thewanderer1s | poisonbit: yeah but the kernel tries to force DMA (causing a 2-minute hang) right after booting, I don't think userland is available yet |
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| 21:57.40 | poisonbit | modinfo ide-core or something like |
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| 21:57.48 | poisonbit | I only have squeeze at hand |
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| 21:58.01 | poisonbit | there should be available params |
| 21:58.07 | thewanderer1s | ok, I'm upgrading to Squeeze... |
| 21:58.17 | poisonbit | many years without using ide on new installations |
| 21:58.22 | poisonbit | sorry |
| 21:58.41 | pickcoder | modinfo says nodma |
| 21:59.23 | poisonbit | you can set module options for the ide modules, and then dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 21:59.32 | poisonbit | to rebuilr the initrd |
| 21:59.35 | poisonbit | rebuild |
| 22:00.06 | thewanderer1s | pickcoder: on what module? |
| 22:00.11 | pickcoder | ide-core |
| 22:00.37 | pickcoder | parm: nodma:disallow DMA for a device |
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| 22:01.47 | thewanderer1s | I can only see something like "charp" in the parm row here |
| 22:01.51 | thewanderer1s | 2.6.25... |
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| 22:02.10 | thewanderer1s | but I'll try booting Squeeze with that |
| 22:02.17 | pickcoder | oh I have .26 kernel |
| 22:02.22 | poisonbit | mmm 2.6.25 is not lenny neithe squeeze |
| 22:02.33 | thewanderer1s | poisonbit: it came on my installer CD O.o |
| 22:02.59 | poisonbit | ,versions linux-image-2.6 |
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| 22:03.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found in i386. |
| 22:03.20 | pickcoder | 2.6-686 |
| 22:03.20 | thewanderer1s | on the other hand, it was labelled "Lenny testing official <date here> i386"... yeah, I suppose this might have been it. upgrading to Squeeze stable anyway |
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| 22:04.38 | poisonbit | you may need to upgrade kernel by hand if you do not have the meta-package 2.6-arch |
| 22:05.10 | thewanderer1s | strange as it may be, I only had 2.6.25 selected in the installer, and `apt-get dist-upgrade` is pulling in 2.6.32 |
| 22:05.49 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.50 | thewanderer1s | the next step will be mounting an aufs over the root filesystem :P |
| 22:05.54 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.11 | thewanderer1s | pickcoder: yeah, I know. it's just the base system, so it's going pretty smooth it seems |
| 22:06.32 | poisonbit | mmm release notes doesn't hurt on any upgrade :) |
| 22:06.35 | thewanderer1s | I just didn't have a Squeeze CD handy, so went this way |
| 22:07.08 | jhambo | I have two identical HD's, one in my computer and one in a usb enclosure. Is there a simple command to mirror my entire computers drive onto the usb drive so that I could just put it into the laptop and boot off it if my main HD goes down? |
| 22:07.30 | poisonbit | dd ? |
| 22:07.43 | poisonbit | depends on sizes |
| 22:08.29 | thewanderer1s | he said two identical, so yeah, dd or cat or whatever seems okay |
| 22:08.57 | thewanderer1s | I might invest in faster CF cards some day... reading the dpkg's status is taking ages :P |
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| 22:09.19 | iridos | what does one use to transcode videos these days? Last time I used mencoder and that wasn't so great either |
| 22:09.44 | LemensTS | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=402038&CatId=5205 <---BIG FAVOR...does this look like it will be compatible with debian? |
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| 22:09.54 | pickcoder | ffmpeg can multi-thread and supports a bunch of encodings |
| 22:09.55 | iridos | openmovieeditor perhaps? |
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| 22:10.39 | poisonbit | vlc may be an option too, but ffmpeg seems more automation oriented |
| 22:10.46 | iridos | pickcoder, does it have good defaults? with mplayer one had to give a long tail of options... |
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| 22:11.14 | poisonbit | ffmpeg has a more options than iptables |
| 22:11.18 | iridos | there's also transcode, but I always get lost in the help... and I think it also usually fails and I give up trying to fix it after a time |
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| 22:12.03 | abdelkhalak | hi |
| 22:13.05 | iridos | well... ffmpeg gives me [mpeg4 @ 0x80a0150] timebase not supported by mpeg 4 standard |
| 22:13.28 | poisonbit | LemensTS, doublecheck "motherboard model + linux" in google |
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| 22:13.48 | pickcoder | you probably need the encoding pack which all used to be in debian-multimedia.. I don't mess with that much anymore. |
| 22:13.49 | LemensTS | poisonbit: ok I can do that thanks |
| 22:13.57 | pickcoder | so I dunno where it is now |
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| 22:16.32 | pickcoder | iridos: make sure the format matches the file extension.. it makes assumptions based on extension |
| 22:17.40 | iridos | pickcoder, hmm, indeed, if I switch to "mpeg" instead of "avi" it works... (not that I wanted mpeg) |
| 22:17.49 | jhambo | poisonbit: I suppose both the drive I'm copying from shouldn't be mounted during the dd right? |
| 22:18.14 | poisonbit | no problem, dd manages block devices |
| 22:18.16 | LemensTS | http://www.asus.com/websites/global/aboutasus/OS/Linux.pdf <-- dude thats cool that asus does this |
| 22:18.21 | poisonbit | destionation should be unmounted |
| 22:18.36 | pickcoder | iridos: you can export to whatever format is available in the codecs.. there is a command line switch that shows you available formats |
| 22:19.34 | iridos | pickcoder, thanks... the mpeg'll do for now ... I must admit I was asking because I wanted to convert without having to read 100 pages of doku... as kept happening before :) |
| 22:20.03 | poisonbit | -formats |
| 22:20.57 | iridos | hm, perhaps I indeed try again... crappy quality |
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| 22:21.20 | pickcoder | iridos: look for a gui front-end. there are several AFAIK but I don't remember the names |
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| 22:23.27 | th0r | iridos: are you looking to convert video formats? |
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| 22:23.57 | tester932 | can some one help me setup a soft raid 5 |
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| 22:24.44 | ompaul | ,judd kernels |
| 22:24.54 | ompaul | doh |
| 22:24.59 | ompaul | ,versions kernels |
| 22:25.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
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| 22:25.15 | daemonkeeper | tester932: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sdX1 /dev/sdY1 /dev/sdZ1 |
| 22:25.17 | jhambo | Would dd'ing 250 gigs be faster than cp since the dd is doing things consecutively? |
| 22:25.17 | daemonkeeper | Or whatever |
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| 22:25.23 | TheWarden | Is there a way to see the line endings using vi? If not what can I use command line wise to see line endings in a file? |
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| 22:25.34 | ompaul | thewanderer1s: Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 22:25.37 | tester932 | daemonkeeper, it fails |
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| 22:25.45 | themill | TheWarden: "file filename" will tell you |
| 22:25.46 | daemonkeeper | jhambo: Depends whether the 250G are actually used or just a file system of that size |
| 22:25.51 | daemonkeeper | tester932: What's failing? |
| 22:25.57 | dokma | hey guyz... what is GLX module for in XOrg ?? |
| 22:26.11 | daemonkeeper | dokma: 3D acceleration |
| 22:26.23 | dokma | darn.... I get segfaults from xine in libGL |
| 22:26.31 | poisonbit | TheWarden, cat -A |
| 22:26.34 | poisonbit | or |
| 22:26.35 | dokma | I guess I should remove LOAD "glx" from xorg.conf |
| 22:26.38 | poisonbit | highlight WhitespaceEOL ctermbg=red guibg=red |
| 22:26.38 | poisonbit | match WhitespaceEOL /\s\+$/ |
| 22:26.41 | poisonbit | in .vimrc |
| 22:26.47 | poisonbit | good nights |
| 22:26.48 | dokma | daemonkeeper: what about dri ?? |
| 22:26.56 | iridos | th0r, yes... in this case it's because my digital camera records in some extremely wastful format... transcoding reduces size dramatically |
| 22:27.10 | thewanderer1s | ompaul: thanks, I'm upgrading to Squeeze now anyway |
| 22:27.14 | daemonkeeper | dokma: What about it? |
| 22:27.16 | iridos | (but I'm not using it to film often) |
| 22:27.21 | dokma | what does it do? |
| 22:27.34 | iridos | th0r, so it's actually from<->to same format |
| 22:27.57 | ompaul | thewanderer1s: don't skip versions - that breaks stuff |
| 22:28.03 | tester932 | http://pastebin.com/eA1JBLnP |
| 22:28.05 | tester932 | gah |
| 22:28.07 | thewanderer1s | ompaul: I was on lenny already |
| 22:28.12 | tester932 | the paain |
| 22:28.17 | themill | dokma: what xorg driver are you using, btw? |
| 22:28.34 | pickcoder | tester932: /dev/sb1 is not valid |
| 22:28.50 | thewanderer1s | ompaul: just the kernel was 2.6.25, because I didn't request installing anything new (no metapackage selected) - if it breaks, I'll tell you :P |
| 22:28.50 | dokma | themill: when I need 3d I use fglrx but because I can't get dual head display in it I use radeon for work |
| 22:28.53 | daemonkeeper | dokma: Its similar. DRI allows to use 3D hardware through an abstraction layer, GLX is first of all to draw OpenGL windows to your X11. |
| 22:28.58 | pickcoder | tester932: you must create partitions of type Linux softRAID to use mdadm |
| 22:29.27 | daemonkeeper | tester932: Moreover /dev/sb1 is probably wrong |
| 22:29.39 | tester932 | it is a type srry |
| 22:29.48 | tester932 | but yes i did not know if i needed paritions or not |
| 22:29.48 | themill | dokma: ahh... I see exactly the same problem with the intel drivers and the xorg people seem quite intent on blaming the driver |
| 22:29.51 | tester932 | i dont have none |
| 22:29.51 | dokma | daemonkeeper: isn't it true that I can remove all the load instructions from xorg.conf these days and just let xorg load what it needs? |
| 22:30.06 | daemonkeeper | dokma: You can even remove the entire xorg.conf file |
| 22:30.13 | tester932 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:30.24 | dokma | daemonkeeper: I don't get dual display like that |
| 22:30.30 | dokma | just cloned one screen |
| 22:30.34 | dokma | which is stupid |
| 22:31.02 | dokma | and I can't get dual display even with xrandr under fglrc |
| 22:31.06 | pickcoder | I'm not sure if you can create a stripe using an device node that already has a filesystem on it |
| 22:31.07 | daemonkeeper | tester932: Before you are randomly writing superblocks to your disks, you should _really_ make sure, you know what you're doing if you don't want to risk to lose data |
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| 22:31.15 | dokma | I've just commented out all load instructions so now I'll restart X |
| 22:31.19 | tester932 | i am just doing it for the first time |
| 22:31.21 | langellightblue | Hi everyone |
| 22:31.22 | dokma | see you soon I hope |
| 22:31.30 | tester932 | so i can break it if i like |
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| 22:31.39 | jhambo | daemonkeeper: thats 250 g used out of 500. Ahh so the dd might take longer if I'm copying the entire 500... |
| 22:31.47 | pickcoder | a mirror is OK because it will sync and not destroy the original node |
| 22:32.13 | daemonkeeper | tester932: You're aware you can possibly overwrite _every_ disk on your system, including other operating systems this way? |
| 22:32.30 | tester932 | i just want to see it work and figure out how to get debian installed onto the raid 5 * which i know your also not really supposed to do* |
| 22:32.30 | daemonkeeper | If so, just go on with your experiments |
| 22:32.30 | tester932 | 3 brand new drives |
| 22:32.50 | daemonkeeper | At least one is used already |
| 22:32.56 | pickcoder | ah.. it is possible |
| 22:32.56 | pickcoder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mdadm#Convert_an_existing_partition_to_RAID_5 |
| 22:33.12 | tester932 | i booted a live cd |
| 22:33.14 | tester932 | non are used |
| 22:33.23 | tester932 | they shouldnt be any way |
| 22:33.24 | daemonkeeper | jhambo: Yes, since dd copies block wise, not file based like cp |
| 22:33.58 | TheWarden | themill: I tried that actually and I got "/var/tmp/Ymd.xml: XML document text". No mention of the line endings. |
| 22:34.00 | pickcoder | jhambo: why not just use parted or some other partition tool to make a clone |
| 22:34.08 | pickcoder | cp won't copy superblocks or MBR |
| 22:34.28 | pickcoder | dd probably will, but who knows if it will be in the right place |
| 22:34.38 | nsadmin | tester932, debian live cds don't have installer, you have to get one of many others (squeeze netinstall is the most recommended) |
| 22:34.51 | themill | TheWarden: ahh... that would quite probably be because line endings are irrelevant to XML documents. (or it could be because file doesn't mention the line ending in the case of LF termination... I'm not sure in this case) |
| 22:34.53 | tester932 | i got that nsadmin |
| 22:34.57 | tester932 | i can pxeboot it |
| 22:34.58 | TheWarden | poisonbit: I tried cat -A filename and I see "$" as the line ending... what is that? |
| 22:35.00 | tester932 | but |
| 22:35.11 | nsadmin | no cd drive |
| 22:35.13 | nsadmin | ? |
| 22:35.21 | TheWarden | themill: mmm not good |
| 22:35.27 | tester932 | every time i do it and go through pain of netinstalling for 4 hours it comes back with grub rescue |
| 22:35.39 | pickcoder | tester932: even the PXE installer will allow you to configure a RAID5 softraid, if the drives are detected and you configure it that way during the install |
| 22:35.48 | TheWarden | I need to verify. It would have line endings from what I understand. |
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| 22:36.49 | tester932 | should i turn the raid on or off in the bios |
| 22:36.51 | nsadmin | so, what happens when you try the rescue? |
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| 22:37.01 | thewanderer1s | is it possible to convert RAID5 to RAID10 while staying online> |
| 22:37.05 | nsadmin | dunno, never done raid |
| 22:37.06 | themill | TheWarden: look at it in a hex editor or with something like "od" might be the easiest then. But as I said, any sane XML parser shouldn't care about whitespace. |
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| 22:37.20 | pickcoder | onboard RAID is rarely supported unless it's an LSI MegaRAID or some other 'real' RAID controller that has firmware BIOS |
| 22:37.20 | tester932 | rescue ? |
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| 22:37.28 | tester932 | the only command it seems to know is "ls" |
| 22:37.30 | tester932 | lol |
| 22:37.34 | thewanderer1s | no no, I mean mdraid |
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| 22:37.38 | stew | jhambo: you can just "cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" or similar mirror one identical drive to another just be absolutely sure you know which devices or which. in this case cp will be faster than dd unless you know enough to know what block size to tell dd to use |
| 22:37.46 | TheWarden | themill: Well I'm being told this xml file I'm producing is CR LF line endings. I of course only want LF and the person is requiring LF so they say. |
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| 22:38.13 | pickcoder | thewanderer1: probably, if you denote the "missing" stripe set. never tried it, though |
| 22:38.19 | nsadmin | well, you'll need to be specific about how you set things up while installing |
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| 22:38.58 | tester932 | ok I will have to give the netboot another shot :( |
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| 22:39.41 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1s: I don't know, but I wouldn't bet on it. RAID 10 is technically completely different to RAID 5. |
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| 22:40.12 | tester932 | wtf |
| 22:40.12 | daemonkeeper | Its not you could just add a spare disk and turn it to a RAID 1/0 |
| 22:40.24 | tester932 | i went into gparted and it had /dev/md1p1 |
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| 22:40.38 | BoomSie | Hi there fellow uxers. Where do I have to address questions about the newly introduced localhost / based on hostname 127.0.1.1 ? saw it residing in my hosts file for some time now, however, since 3 weeks ago it has become a pain in the ass and I want some clarification of why it's introduced |
| 22:40.44 | themill | TheWarden: «head -1 $filename | od» and see what the last two bytes are. Or "tr -d '\r' < $filename > outfile" and see if they are different (diff, md5sum, filesize, ... any of them is sufficient) |
| 22:40.46 | tester932 | and it know about /dev/sda/b/c |
| 22:40.47 | thewanderer1s | daemonkeeper: actually, turning RAID5 to RAID1 is said to be supported in the manpage, but I figure the RAID0 part is tricky |
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| 22:41.28 | tortib | I'm having problems installing Firefox 4 I added squeezee-backports to my sources.list however when i run apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel it's installing version 3.5 and not the latest version, can someone help me out? |
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| 22:41.47 | stew | BoomSie: this isn't newly introduced, it has been this way for a long time. what specific problems have you been having? |
| 22:41.57 | thewanderer1s | tortib: have you run apt-get update? |
| 22:42.21 | tortib | yes |
| 22:42.23 | tortib | no |
| 22:42.25 | TheWarden | themill: mmm what is the line ending for CR LF in hex lol ? |
| 22:42.25 | tortib | i didn't lies |
| 22:42.28 | tortib | i'll try that thanks thewanderer1s |
| 22:42.29 | themill | !why 127.0.1.1 |
| 22:42.29 | dpkg | methinks why 127.0.1.1 is http://qref.sf.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-dns |
| 22:42.37 | nsadmin | yes? no? maybe? so? |
| 22:42.41 | tortib | :) |
| 22:42.42 | stew | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 22:42.44 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-7~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-7; sid: 3.5.19-2; wheezy: 3.5.19-2; experimental: 4.0.1-2 |
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| 22:43.05 | pickcoder | thewanderer1: convert the 5 to a 0 and then create a new 0 and then mirror then with another mdadm device? |
| 22:43.05 | stew | tortib: iceweasel isn't even in unstable yet |
| 22:43.05 | themill | tortib: you need mozilla.debian.net |
| 22:43.30 | tortib | 4.0.1 is installed it was because i didn't run apt-get update >.< |
| 22:43.31 | tortib | thanks |
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| 22:44.05 | stew | uh, obviously i meant "iceweasel 4" not just "iceweasel" :) |
| 22:44.27 | tortib | anyone here a bitcoin miner? |
| 22:44.47 | BoomSie | stew: it's very simple. Java hostname lookup resolves into it. If (in my case) you'd run a glassfish server, a remote client would receive an ACK with address 127.0.1.1 :) |
| 22:45.44 | BoomSie | stew: I'd like to say as well, that it's the fault of the Java implementation. However, before the 127.0.1.1 was introduced, everything was fine all over the world. So I'm anxious to know/understand why it was introduced and for which specific reason |
| 22:45.56 | stew | BoomSie: uh, that's very broken, and it wouldn't change by using 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:46.03 | stew | BoomSie: and that would be nothing to do with java |
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| 22:46.36 | stew | BoomSie: and I assume when you refer to "it" being "introduced" you are talking about the 127.0.1.1 address instead of 127.0.0.1? |
| 22:46.44 | themill | TheWarden: od -c or od -a might be more comfortable for you. |
| 22:46.45 | tortib | what's a good GUI torrent client? |
| 22:46.48 | BoomSie | correction: it's the glassfish implementation (dork mistake of mine). It's listener is setup to listen to a specific outbound IP, however, internally it does a hostname resolve and replies the ack with that |
| 22:46.58 | BoomSie | 127.0.1.1 |
| 22:46.59 | BoomSie | sorry |
| 22:47.04 | BoomSie | so hostname |
| 22:47.08 | BoomSie | not localhost |
| 22:47.15 | tester932 | raid 5 is hard! |
| 22:47.16 | nsadmin | tortib browse at packages.debian.org |
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| 22:47.42 | dokma | yeah it was the stray glx libraries laying around the system |
| 22:47.48 | tester932 | smashes all the 1s and 0's with a hamer |
| 22:47.48 | nsadmin | !start a barbie war |
| 22:47.48 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
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| 22:47.58 | dokma | once I purged those and restarted X now xine runs just fine |
| 22:47.59 | stew | BoomSie: so this has nothing at all to do with glassfish, you are just saying that your tcp stack is completely broken? |
| 22:48.22 | stew | BoomSie: because if your tcp stack is sending an ack out with the wrong ip address, something is very broken |
| 22:48.31 | stew | BoomSie: how are you looking at the ack packets? |
| 22:48.43 | acx0 | is it okay to set the TERM variable manually in the {bash,zsh}rc? the current version of urxvt in testing doesn't work with screen since urxvt's new $TERM value is too long. I was wondering if I should change it back to the old value |
| 22:48.46 | TheWarden | themill: ahh yes thanks. I see my \n I don't see any CR but I do see 0000054 which shows no character unless that is a whitespace |
| 22:48.47 | stew | BoomSie: are you sure the problem just isn't that glassfish is listening to the wrong ip? |
| 22:49.27 | BoomSie | stew: no no no, it's really in the iiop implementation (within glassfish) where it goes wrong. Cause it's configured at listening interface 10.72.40.3 (in my case) however, it replies with an ack 127.0.1.1 :) (yes, tcpdumped the whole thing and afterwards slowly debugged this again. Not went deep in the code, just upper layers of the interfaces) |
| 22:49.40 | themill | TheWarden: there are lots of nice hex editors around (okteta) -- sounds like you've got some digging to do :) |
| 22:50.15 | stew | BoomSie: you say "it" replies, but its not as if glassfish reimplemented its own tcp stack and is generating its own ack packets |
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| 22:50.25 | stew | BoomSie: unless you are using "ack" here to mean something other than the tcp flag |
| 22:50.31 | BoomSie | stew: correct, it's the underlayer of glassfish that goes wrong. But since I nailed this issue, I do like to understand why the 127.0.1.1 was introduced in linux :) |
| 22:50.47 | BoomSie | no, ack in the application layer (my mistake) |
| 22:50.49 | stew | BoomSie: so that your hostname resolves to an ip address |
| 22:50.51 | TheWarden | themill: yes unfortunately... it appears when opening this file in metapad that its putting CR LF as line endings... I never see this program show it wrong but who knows I'm creating this file from scratch in PHP so I maybe doing something wrong. |
| 22:50.55 | nsadmin | acx0, what happens if you try it? |
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| 22:51.20 | stew | BoomSie: if 10.72.40.3 is a statically allocated ip address for this machine, feel free to change 127.0.1.1 to 10.72.40.3 |
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| 22:52.20 | BoomSie | stew: As far as I could trace back (and tested it with changing the host file hostname - other ip) the implementation does a lookup on the hostname. So this is a mistake of the implementation yes. But the big question for me is "why was 127.0.1.1 introduced to be bonded upon the hostname" :) |
| 22:52.38 | stew | http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-dns |
| 22:53.08 | BoomSie | haha, that's it :D ... 127.0.1.1 is just a fall back dummy for the real hostname :D |
| 22:53.33 | stew | i don't have the energy to argue this point about the tcp stack |
| 22:53.55 | antiwire | 127.0.X.X is valid. |
| 22:54.00 | antiwire | it's valid localhost |
| 22:54.06 | daemonkeeper | The entire /8 is |
| 22:54.06 | stew | sure |
| 22:54.14 | BoomSie | no please, enlighten me. The question is pretty basic: why was hostname - 127.0.1.1 introduced. TCP knowledge and OSI layers I know as well, no need to explain there :) |
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| 22:54.29 | stew | haha |
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| 22:54.34 | stew | this is going nowhere |
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| 22:54.54 | acx0 | nsadmin, screen says something like "sorry, $TERM too long", there's a patch to fix it which changes the length of the char array which holds the term value to 40, from the default value of 20, but for some reason colours stop working when I compile it |
| 22:54.58 | nsadmin | the entire 127.* is available, so why not |
| 22:54.59 | antiwire | I'm not sure what the question even is now. 127.0.1.1 isn't a hostname |
| 22:55.08 | antiwire | it's a localhost address |
| 22:55.19 | BoomSie | I'm pretty serious. Why introduce an ip bounded on hostname if it would screw up the real hostname outside ip? |
| 22:55.24 | antiwire | wtf |
| 22:55.35 | stew | he doesn't want to either read the debian reference or listen to me |
| 22:55.37 | stew | so whatever |
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| 22:55.57 | RichiH | stew: did you try vcsh? |
| 22:56.00 | pickcoder | the hostname does not have to equal the external domain name |
| 22:56.02 | stew | and its crazy to think that once java has bound to a network address it is going to be consulted about what *other* ip address it might want toput into an ack packet |
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| 22:56.21 | antiwire | that's not java's problem in the first place |
| 22:56.22 | pickcoder | they can be the same machine and share the same host-part but have completely different IPs resolved localled |
| 22:56.23 | BoomSie | I've read the debian manual, got the dissattisfactional answer of: for some services like gnome we introduced this <<< Sorry, no way in hell. Use the freakin localhost if you need a local service IP |
| 22:56.26 | pickcoder | ~locally |
| 22:56.29 | stew | RichiH: didn't bother trying it, my movein is already deployed on 20 machines or so. but I did have a look at it and I might steal a thing or to :) |
| 22:56.29 | antiwire | arp binding is done in the kernel |
| 22:56.37 | stew | BoomSie: feel free |
| 22:57.09 | RichiH | stew: pft |
| 22:57.25 | stew | RichiH: :) |
| 22:57.30 | RichiH | it's not licensed, yet. i think i will have to license it under gpl with an anti-stew clause |
| 22:57.42 | stew | RichiH: its too bad we didn't get together on this sooner |
| 22:57.49 | RichiH | quite |
| 22:58.07 | BoomSie | oK, record clean again *sigh*: I stumbled upon this due to a faulty implementation of Y (being Java) and wondered why HOSTNAME (which is usually used for OUTSIDE representation with OUTSIDE IP) SUDDENLY is bonded to an local IP being 127.0.1.1 |
| 22:58.17 | antiwire | omfg. |
| 22:58.53 | antiwire | what is this link you have in your head about HOSTNAME being "used for OUTSIDE"? |
| 22:59.02 | RichiH | stew: though truth be told, i'd rather try and implement anything you might still lack and then merge |
| 22:59.04 | pickcoder | BoomSie: that is not true. "hostname" is just the local name of the machine. It has nothing to do with the external domain name. |
| 22:59.09 | RichiH | there's not _that_ much we can do differently |
| 22:59.21 | BoomSie | external domain? how about LAN? |
| 22:59.25 | pickcoder | it could be "localhost" on the 127 network and "mailserver" on 192 |
| 22:59.33 | antiwire | you'd have two lookup zones for fsck sake |
| 22:59.33 | nsadmin | BoomSie, maybe when you installed debian the net wasn[t set up |
| 22:59.36 | pickcoder | outside it could be smtp.domain.com |
| 22:59.40 | stew | RichiH: i agree completely |
| 22:59.44 | nsadmin | just reconfivure and be happy |
| 22:59.52 | BoomSie | nsadmin: it's dhcp, portable laptop :) |
| 23:00.05 | antiwire | this makes less and less sense as it goes on. |
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| 23:00.11 | stew | BoomSie: java is not thing that generates ack packets |
| 23:00.11 | RichiH | stew: in that case, try vcsh :p |
| 23:00.24 | nsadmin | dhcp doesnm't give you your hostname |
| 23:00.32 | pickcoder | time to head home.. too much fun anyway.. |
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| 23:00.40 | nsadmin | your ip from dhcp is not always named |
| 23:01.00 | BoomSie | stew: ACK @ application level. I already appologised and said that's not the issue over here & that I was interested into WHY <hostname> + 127.0.1.1 was introduced |
| 23:01.26 | antiwire | this is like a fractal conversation. |
| 23:01.33 | stew | ok so we're all done then i guess? |
| 23:01.34 | antiwire | it never ends and is infinite. |
| 23:01.35 | BoomSie | seems to be *sigh* |
| 23:01.43 | nsadmin | BoomSie, so you want that part of the conversation to loop yet again? |
| 23:01.52 | antiwire | lol |
| 23:02.16 | Bushmills | hostname is very useful when loggin in to a remote machine, and seeing the name it knows itself as in the prompt |
| 23:02.34 | thewanderer1s | should mdadm hang indefinitely on growing a raid5 to raid6, while waiting for something? |
| 23:03.04 | BoomSie | yep, but skip it to the part of whereas "some programmer found it necessary to introduce hosname + 127.0.1.1 bonding". Even with dhcp networks it should just work oK. If you enter a lan and have a good DHCP server, you can ping by name too, right? Or does the ping package go into the bucket bin cause of a faulty 127.0.1.1 bonding @ the other side? |
| 23:03.31 | nsadmin | it's not a dhcp issue |
| 23:03.33 | antiwire | jesus you've mixed a whole lot up there. |
| 23:03.49 | BoomSie | I know it's not a dhcp issue, for christ sake |
| 23:04.18 | antiwire | BoomSie: unless the client tells the dhcp server to update a DNS record you will NOT be able ot ping by name. |
| 23:04.25 | stew | BoomSie: because when your hosts file is initially generated, debian doesn't want to guess your public ip address or decide where stuff should be bound, so it chooses a safe default of a 127.0.0.0/8 address |
| 23:04.36 | nsadmin | well, there, by "good dhcp server" you must mean one that supplies a dns |
| 23:04.39 | stew | BoomSie: which breaks less stuff than not having your hostname resolve at all |
| 23:04.39 | BoomSie | hits his head against the wall guessing his explanation of the question is incorrect or not |
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| 23:05.09 | stew | BoomSie: if you don't want this to resolve to loopback, change the hosts file |
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| 23:06.01 | BoomSie | nsadmin: 1 step further, as to 'why it was introduced' would be nice. Don't need basic network configuration over here as where name lookups are done and resolved etc. |
| 23:06.16 | themill | is still puzzled by the "recent change" bit... is 4 or 5 years ago "recent"? |
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| 23:06.48 | themill | BoomSie: that's been answered any number of times. Either read the answers or don't. I think it's time to draw the discussion to an end. |
| 23:06.50 | Bushmills | in a cosmological sense? |
| 23:06.52 | nsadmin | do you really waht to know that, or do you instead want to specify what you want your network situation to be? |
| 23:07.21 | ujjain | how do I move files + directories, when directorie structure is similar? It gives an error now. |
| 23:07.41 | stew | i thought it was more like 10 years ago |
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| 23:09.46 | thewanderer1s | will Bad Things happen if I press Ctrl+C on a running `sudo mdadm --grow /dev/md2 --level=6 --backup-file=/root/md2.backup` ? it seems to be waiting for another process, due to be finished in 12 hours, and I can't hang on SSH this long |
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| 23:10.37 | themill | stew: possibly. I had woody in the back of my mind.... but don't have any boxes from that era where I wouldn't have edited it myself anyway. |
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| 23:11.19 | themill | wait... woody pretty much *is* 10 years ago. oh my. |
| 23:12.40 | Bushmills | 9 years |
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| 23:13.18 | Bushmills | (since stable, that is. was testing earlier) |
| 23:13.25 | BoomSie | I give up. Thanks for the patience over here. I did reread everything and was not satisfactional. Call me ignorant, but I don't know why all of a sudden a local reserved ip needs to be bonded an a hostname which was previously the way on a lan to access eachother and causes dozens of services to fail. Nice for static machines to easily configure, but for portable devices it's a hell |
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| 23:14.37 | thewanderer1s | oh crap. my array is stuck on growing raid5->raid6 |
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| 23:16.00 | thewanderer1s | what happens if I reboot in the middle of RAID5->RAID6 migration? |
| 23:16.13 | thewanderer1s | cause I'm getting processes in D state... |
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| 23:17.47 | thewanderer1s | oh what the hell, I'm rebooting |
| 23:18.43 | thewanderer1s | (it won't give up too easily, I suppose... might have to pull the plug or something) |
| 23:19.35 | thewanderer1s | INFO: task kjournald:429 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
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| 23:20.42 | thewanderer1s | ok well, this sucks, the system won't reboot |
| 23:20.58 | spinxd | hi |
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| 23:21.34 | spinxd | anyone know why doing a whois on a canadian IP doesnt work? |
| 23:21.42 | thewanderer1s | what do I do now? I thought migrating my RAID5 to RAID6 would be safe, and now the kernel is oopsing |
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| 23:22.37 | thewanderer1s | what will happen if I force a shutdown? |
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| 23:24.35 | mutable_malachi | Hey guys. |
| 23:24.53 | mutable_malachi | I've been trying to configure openbox for several days now: it doesn't acknowledge either the config files in /etc or the ones in .config. |
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| 23:25.42 | mutable_malachi | If I reload it manually using --config-file it works, but I still have no idea where it's getting it's config from when it starts. |
| 23:26.09 | mutable_malachi | dpkg: openbox |
| 23:26.09 | dpkg | Openbox is an X window manager originally based on <Blackbox> 0.65.0, then rewritten in C (no code based on Blackbox since v3.0). http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:FAQ http://www.openbox.org/ #openbox on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:28.09 | andantino | newbie here. how do i edit my screen resolution on startup? |
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| 23:34.24 | nsadmin | andantino, so debian can use the x window system when graphics are used on the screen; if X is not used, then you have a plain white on black text screen |
| 23:35.18 | nsadmin | there are therefore two resolution settings, one for the textual screen and one for graphics |
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| 23:36.19 | nsadmin | if you want the graphics screen, you would look into how to set that resolution |
| 23:36.47 | nsadmin | that's the end of the overview |
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| 23:38.53 | scorphus | I'm having problems with NFS after some dist-upgrades on SID. A VM running stable sometimes wont sync for minutes... any hint? |
| 23:39.34 | scorphus | also, it doesn't mount the shares as told by fstab's auto option |
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| 23:40.28 | nsadmin | sid is not meant for real work |
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| 23:42.35 | scorphus | the error message at boot is: rpcbind: Cannot open '/var/run/rpcbind/rpcbind.xdr' file for reading, errno 2 (No such file or directory) |
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| 23:43.30 | thewanderer1m | shit. it ate all my data. |
| 23:43.57 | nsadmin | so... find out what supplies that file (including you having to create it and supply its content) |
| 23:44.09 | thewanderer1m | Icm in initramfs now, how to make md0 at least appear im /dev? |
| 23:44.31 | nsadmin | daytaaytah |
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| 23:45.14 | thewanderer1m | and a word of advice... DON'T migrate to raid6 from raid5 on squeeze... |
| 23:46.01 | thewanderer1m | guys, I need real help now. how to make mdadm initialize the array? |
| 23:46.37 | thewanderer1m | I don't have access to any manuals right now, only phone with irc client works |
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| 23:47.08 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 23:47.18 | Bartzy | Should I use 2048 bit or 4096 bit in SSH keys ? |
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| 23:48.22 | neuronic | Bartzy: depends on your level of paranoia |
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| 23:49.43 | thewanderer1m | Ive interrupted a raid5 to raid6 migration due to a kernel bug, now am in inotramfs |
| 23:50.09 | thewanderer1m | need to assemble whatever remains |
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| 23:50.21 | Bartzy | neuronic: For a backup script , I should create a user with no shell and stuff like that ? |
| 23:50.46 | bzrk | thewanderer1m: use mdadm to start the array |
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| 23:52.04 | thewanderer1m | bzrk, I cant, sdb1 has wrong raidlevel |
| 23:52.23 | martianlobster | is there a utility for reversing the order of lines in a text file? |
| 23:52.31 | bzrk | thewanderer1m: is it the only drive with wrong raidlevel? |
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| 23:52.56 | thewanderer1m | bzrk, no, the whole array is fscked up |
| 23:53.01 | nevyn | martianlobster: are they sorted lines? |
| 23:53.15 | thewanderer1m | martianlobster: tac |
| 23:53.39 | thewanderer1m | bzrk, this is after an interrupted reshape |
| 23:53.45 | martianlobster | nevyn: they are sorted by date in decreasing order, I would like them sorted in increasing order |
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| 23:53.53 | martianlobster | thewanderer1 thanks I will check out tac |
| 23:53.57 | bzrk | thewanderer1m: yeah you said, but maybe you can bring up part of the array if only one driver isnt responding as it should |
| 23:54.13 | bzrk | then readd the drive later |
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| 23:54.22 | bzrk | if not you better have a backup |
| 23:54.54 | thewanderer1m | it's fortunately a system array, not user data |
| 23:55.01 | nevyn | oh right cat reversed == tac very cute. |
| 23:55.33 | bzrk | must be a massive system to need raid 6 ^^ |
| 23:55.42 | thewanderer1m | but this should probably end up as a GRAVE bug report |
| 23:55.49 | aston | Geek humour. ;) |
| 23:55.52 | th0r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:56.10 | thewanderer1m | well, now I only need the system to run |
| 23:56.12 | nevyn | aston: this goes with my theory geeks should be allowed to name stuff. |
| 23:56.44 | nevyn | and exibit A in this theory is GIMP |
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| 23:57.16 | aston | Heheh. Are you missing a "not"? |
| 23:57.38 | thewanderer1m | also, --build does not work with raid5/6, great! |
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| 23:58.50 | bzrk | thewanderer1m: if assembling doesnt work, recreate the array instead. you should be ok as long as you dont create a new filesystem, but this isnt for the faint of heart |
| 23:59.04 | bmoloney | Anyone know why debian rename libpcrecpp to libpcre++ ? |
| 23:59.25 | bzrk | thewanderer1m: depending on which part of the transfer you crashed, create it as raid 5 or raid 6 |
| 23:59.45 | bzrk | bmoloney: probably policy |
| 23:59.54 | thewanderer1m | uh, how the hell would I do that? |