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| 00:16.32 | thewanderer1s1 | how can I force mysql to be started before rsyslogd? |
| 00:17.19 | thewanderer1s1 | adding mysql to /etc/init.d/rsyslog has no effect |
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| 00:20.38 | thewanderer1s1 | my issue is this: I'm using libnss-mysql-bg, but the mysql server is the local machine |
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| 00:23.32 | pipeline | yeah i don't think that's a good idea |
| 00:23.46 | pipeline | you could hypothetically get it working |
| 00:23.50 | pipeline | but it's not a good idea |
| 00:23.51 | pipeline | and you should not try :P |
| 00:23.54 | thewanderer1s1 | I need this for NFSv4 and idmap |
| 00:24.00 | pipeline | run mysql on a dedicated VM |
| 00:24.07 | thewanderer1s1 | oh, great |
| 00:24.41 | thewanderer1s1 | I'd rather make it work locally, really |
| 00:24.44 | pipeline | added bonus: if you have a VM dedicated to mysql using local users, it will be very easy to cobble together an selinux instance |
| 00:25.08 | pipeline | thewanderer1s1: so you get this working... what happens when the mysql instance fails or goes down for maintenance ? |
| 00:25.32 | pipeline | thewanderer1s1: logically the only users/data that are reliable on this box will be the local users in the "files" data |
| 00:25.39 | pipeline | thewanderer1s1: at that point you may as well not have any of the other stuff configured |
| 00:25.44 | thewanderer1s1 | pipeline: then I fall back to compat |
| 00:25.51 | pipeline | thewanderer1s1: hence my reductionist stance that you should cut to the chase and have mysql on a dedicated system |
| 00:28.27 | pipeline | thewanderer1s1: one of the perks to running a truly free system is that it doesn't cost you anything to virtualize. Run things on dedicated VMs wherever it makes sense. |
| 00:28.32 | Famic | Is there a way to find out which port a process is trying to use in order to open it through iptables ? |
| 00:28.41 | thewanderer1s1 | pipeline: then I have one more VM to fail |
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| 00:29.03 | thewanderer1s1 | hm, I'll just switch the nsswitch.conf file in mysql init script |
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| 00:29.22 | cafuego | make sure your mysql VM has no swap; it will destroy performance |
| 00:29.48 | thewanderer1s1 | unless I set swappiness=0 |
| 00:30.00 | secretary_linux | Famic: you could try lsof |
| 00:30.00 | pipeline | swappiness=0 will still swap under load |
| 00:30.10 | pipeline | if you have no swap at all, then mysql will be killed by the oomkiller when the time comes |
| 00:30.26 | pipeline | not that I consider that a good thing |
| 00:30.30 | cafuego | No, you should configure it sensibly so it doesn't run out of ram |
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| 00:30.44 | pipeline | also swappiness=0 is a bad thing, because it means memory that could be used for disk cache may be consumed by unused applications |
| 00:30.58 | pipeline | by all means set swappiness to a low value, but 0? sheesh |
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| 00:31.33 | Famic | secretary_linux: how will it help me ? |
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| 00:32.36 | thewanderer1s1 | pipeline: yes, but you said a mysql-only VM, 0 makes perfect sense :P |
| 00:33.11 | cafuego | Why bother wasting disk on swap then? |
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| 00:33.23 | secretary_linux | Famic: maybe it won't, I'm not sure. but I use lsof -i :X where X is a port, to see which process is listening on a given port |
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| 00:34.06 | cafuego | Famic: 'netstat -plunt' will show you listening services. |
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| 00:34.49 | Famic | cafuego: I need the other way around |
| 00:35.10 | Famic | I have a process that is trying to go out and gets blocked by my firewall |
| 00:35.21 | Famic | but I'm not sure which port it needs |
| 00:35.25 | cafuego | Famic: You're blocking all outbound? |
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| 00:35.50 | Famic | cafuego: as a default rule, yes |
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| 00:36.09 | Arrowmaster | thats going to break just about everything |
| 00:36.40 | cafuego | Famic: Doesn't the man page or config file mention a port? |
| 00:36.44 | lapsusbrutus | gn all |
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| 00:38.03 | Famic | Arrowmaster: everything works fine except this |
| 00:38.26 | Famic | cafuego: doesn't look like it |
| 00:38.48 | cafuego | Arrowmaster: I usually block all outbound (minus related/established) and iface lo on servers.... then add exceptions for specific services. |
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| 00:39.00 | cafuego | Famic: What is the app? |
| 00:39.07 | Famic | cafuego: duplicity |
| 00:39.21 | Famic | outgoing to ftp |
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| 00:39.28 | Famic | but opening port 21/20 didn't help |
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| 00:40.21 | cafuego | Famic: no, it connects to a REMOTE 21 |
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| 00:40.41 | cafuego | Famic: So opening that locally won't help. |
| 00:41.03 | Arrowmaster | oh i thought you ment on a desktop, for a server that doesnt have many different outgoing ports yeah it works, for a desktop where programs open random ports for outgoing connections wouldnt it break everything |
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| 00:41.20 | cafuego | Arrowmaster: Yup |
| 00:42.06 | cafuego | Famic: You did a -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 21 -j ACCEPT right? |
| 00:42.28 | Famic | iptables -t filter -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 21 -j ACCEPT |
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| 00:42.46 | cafuego | Famic: I'd add a state matching rule to that, -A OUTPUT -m state --ststate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 00:42.54 | cafuego | and load up ip_conntrack_ftp |
| 00:43.09 | Famic | that I already have |
| 00:43.16 | Famic | both |
| 00:43.30 | Famic | how can I test for a range of ports ? |
| 00:43.58 | cafuego | Famic: In that case, add a -j LOG rule at the end and see what gets logged when you try to ftp. |
| 00:45.11 | Famic | cafuego: you mean something like iptables -t filter -A OUTPUT -p tcp -j LOG ? |
| 00:45.20 | cafuego | aye |
| 00:45.34 | cafuego | Famic: that should add entries to your syslog, with all relevant info. |
| 00:47.12 | Famic | cafuego: it does, but I don't see anything looking like a port in there |
| 00:47.22 | Famic | IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=88.190.14.68 DST=88.190.254.201 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=63605 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=56091 DPT=23020 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 00:48.03 | cafuego | SPT=56091 DPT=23020 |
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| 00:48.25 | cafuego | Famic: Locla port is 56091, remote port is 23020. |
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| 00:49.37 | Famic | cafuego: they seem to be quite random actually |
| 00:49.43 | thewanderer1s1 | I have an LVM VG on a disk partition which I'd like to resize - how to do that safely? |
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| 00:50.17 | Famic | thewanderer1s1: http://blog.shadypixel.com/how-to-shrink-an-lvm-volume-safely/ |
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| 00:50.28 | thewanderer1s1 | no, the other direction :) |
| 00:51.00 | Famic | lvextend -L+1024M /dev/vg0/name |
| 00:51.18 | Famic | then use resize2fs |
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| 00:51.23 | thewanderer1s1 | yeah, reread the original question |
| 00:51.54 | Famic | you wanna resize the whole vg ? |
| 00:51.58 | thewanderer1s1 | yes |
| 00:52.10 | thewanderer1s1 | it consists of 1 PV which is an MBR partition |
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| 00:52.31 | Famic | I'll leave it to someone more qualified then ;) |
| 00:52.38 | thewanderer1s1 | so... just fdisk, delete the partition and re-create it? |
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| 00:53.35 | Famic | cafuego: I suppose this is due to pasv port ranges for the ftp. how do you usually handle that when you block all outbound traffic ? |
| 00:54.36 | Famic | that should be taken care of by ESTABLISHED, shouldn't it ? |
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| 01:02.15 | rubin110 | Where can I find a list of cron status codes? |
| 01:02.17 | cafuego | Famic: RELATED, but yes. |
| 01:02.35 | cafuego | Famic: THough, to be realistic, I don't use FTP. Ever. |
| 01:03.04 | gpa_ | hi |
| 01:03.19 | gpa_ | guys. i want to ask something |
| 01:04.03 | cafuego | !ask |
| 01:04.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:05.41 | gpa_ | i have a problem with nvidia driver from debian. i'm running debian squeeze. my system got freeze after i install nvidia driver from debian |
| 01:06.22 | gpa_ | it happens frequently |
| 01:06.39 | gpa_ | i have to reset my pc |
| 01:06.41 | webad13 | I'd like to put loadkeys in my bashrc so that some changes are loaded every time I open a console. However loadkeys requires sudo, can I somehow pass an expection to it?... what do you suggest? |
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| 01:08.02 | gpa_ | My OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6600 LE/AGP/SSE2 |
| 01:08.24 | gpa_ | and OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 195.36.31 |
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| 01:09.13 | gpa_ | that's some results from glxinfo |
| 01:12.48 | one_ | is there any mac address range calculator? |
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| 01:13.38 | Wyzard | one_: There's no such thing as a MAC address range |
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| 01:14.33 | one_ | Wyzard: well, I need go calculate mask for a given mac address range to define mac address used for a series of certain product |
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| 01:15.27 | one_ | nm, i recalculate in bin any check the mask manually... |
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| 01:18.57 | rubin110 | Is there a way to list all DISPLAY? |
| 01:19.16 | pipeline | sudo netstat -patn | grep X |
| 01:19.26 | pipeline | actually make that just -pan |
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| 01:20.14 | rubin110 | I see much of the same lines over and over again. |
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| 01:22.19 | gpa_ | !ask |
| 01:22.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:31.01 | richo | Reiser isn't in the patition types menu in the testing installer?! |
| 01:32.14 | pipeline | richo: reiser is dead |
| 01:32.14 | richo | Damn. Is there a supported filesystem that supports online shrinking? |
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| 01:32.50 | AimHere | Reiser isn't dead. His wife is though ;) |
| 01:33.28 | Tramp | there is not much demand in FS shrinking |
| 01:33.55 | richo | I'll just create them all small, and extend the ones that need it I guess |
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| 01:39.28 | Wyzard | one_: The first three bytes of a MAC address identify the manufacturer, and the latter three bytes identify the device |
| 01:39.35 | Wyzard | one_: but neither of those fields has any internal structure |
| 01:39.57 | Wyzard | one_: They're not grouped into hierarchial ranges like IP networks are |
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| 01:41.07 | Wyzard | richo: I don't think even reiserfs supports online shrinking |
| 01:41.18 | Wyzard | Online growing, yes, but not shrinking |
| 01:41.39 | richo | Wyzard: ok cheers |
| 01:41.50 | richo | I went with ext3 /home so it's mountable everywhere |
| 01:41.56 | Wyzard | Why not ext4? |
| 01:42.08 | richo | and smaller than I think they need to be everything else in lvm so I can just grow them as the need arises |
| 01:42.21 | richo | with the ext4 extensions turned on it's not mountable as ext3 |
| 01:42.36 | richo | which seems to be the highest common factor out of osX, windows linux and fBSD |
| 01:42.46 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:43.06 | Wyzard | I use UDF for filesystems that I want to be portable between OSes |
| 01:43.06 | richo | seems pointless to have a big partition for personal files on each os |
| 01:43.14 | richo | Does windows support it? |
| 01:43.18 | richo | I was considering udf |
| 01:43.20 | Wyzard | yes |
| 01:43.26 | richo | Hrm |
| 01:43.29 | richo | it's not too late to change |
| 01:43.32 | Wyzard | but it wouldn't be a good choice for /home since it doesn't do ownership/permissions |
| 01:43.44 | richo | really? I thought it was teh fBSD default |
| 01:43.49 | Arrowmaster | i thought windows UDF support was a bit complex to figure out though |
| 01:43.52 | richo | oh |
| 01:43.54 | richo | ufs |
| 01:43.54 | richo | right |
| 01:44.18 | Wyzard | Sharing /home between OSes seems iffy anyway -- dotfiles, etc. may need to be different |
| 01:44.18 | Arrowmaster | side it depends on UDF version and windows version if youll even have write support |
| 01:44.32 | Wyzard | Arrowmaster: XP can't write to UDF, but Vista and newer can |
| 01:44.52 | Wyzard | It's the replacement for FAT as far as I'm concerned; I use it on my flash drives |
| 01:44.53 | richo | Wyzard: all my dotfiles are in svn |
| 01:45.11 | richo | so they'd be shared regardless :) |
| 01:45.12 | Arrowmaster | i thought about using UDF for my thumb drives at one point |
| 01:45.23 | richo | home will only be /home in linux and fBSD and I know for sure it works ok there |
| 01:45.58 | Wyzard | One thing I found a little strange is that UDF seems to have two different fields for the "name" of the filesystem (e.g. volume label) |
| 01:46.04 | Wyzard | Linux looks at one, and Windows looks at the other |
| 01:46.39 | Wyzard | doesn't break anything, just a little confusing |
| 01:47.48 | gpa_ | !ask |
| 01:47.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:50.23 | Darkenvy | How can I add my user named "admin" to the sudoers file? |
| 01:50.41 | Darkenvy | "id admin" outputs "uid=1000(admin) gid=1000(admin) groups=1000(admin)" |
| 01:51.13 | Darkenvy | oh this is a dead channel.... I see |
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| 01:51.18 | th0r | Darkenvy: I have only been using debian a short while, but I don't think it uses sudo |
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| 01:51.32 | richo | you can install sudo |
| 01:51.34 | Darkenvy | but it reconizes sudo as a command |
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| 01:51.41 | richo | what permissions do you want to give him? |
| 01:51.43 | Darkenvy | and informs me I need to add to the sudoers file |
| 01:51.45 | th0r | Darkenvy: and no...it isn't a dead channel, and we don't support ubuntu...and I don't deal with attitude |
| 01:51.51 | richo | You can just copy the root line and replace for admin |
| 01:52.01 | Darkenvy | th0r lol |
| 01:52.14 | Darkenvy | I travel on IRC a lot and see TONS of 500+ people that NEVER talk |
| 01:52.30 | nasuta | Darkenvy: go on oftc.net... |
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| 01:52.33 | Darkenvy | Ive idled for 12+ hours trying to get suport from channels so I tend to assume that many are dead |
| 01:52.43 | Darkenvy | and also you dont support ubuntu? how dare you! I run debian lol |
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| 01:52.54 | Darkenvy | what is oftc.net? |
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| 01:53.27 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: sudo's default configuration (IIRC) allows members of group "sudo" to run commands as root |
| 01:53.34 | Darkenvy | so I assume you won't help me add my user to the sudoers file then will you? |
| 01:53.36 | Wyzard | so instead of adding your user to /etc/sudoers directly, just add the user to that group |
| 01:53.45 | nasuta | the place where the most debian users are |
| 01:53.50 | magyar_ | hi, how can i create a subdomain sub.example.com for a exaample.com domain on squeeze? |
| 01:54.01 | Wyzard | nasuta: There are more people in the channel here than over there |
| 01:54.17 | Darkenvy | I used the command: sudo usermod -a -G admin admin |
| 01:54.23 | Darkenvy | but that didnt work out ^ |
| 01:54.37 | Darkenvy | (my user is named "admin" |
| 01:54.49 | Wyzard | That adds him to the group called "admin", but he's already in that group by default |
| 01:54.58 | Darkenvy | I see |
| 01:55.09 | Wyzard | and it doesn't mean anything (as far as privileges) anyway |
| 01:55.12 | Darkenvy | so is there a group called "root" or something? |
| 01:55.25 | Wyzard | There's a root group, but it doesn't confer any special privileges either |
| 01:55.34 | Darkenvy | then how can I get this done? |
| 01:55.37 | Darkenvy | better yet.... |
| 01:55.45 | Wyzard | I just told you, add the user to group sudo |
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| 01:55.55 | Darkenvy | I have this sh script that sets up a cronjob, I need to run this as user admin but it wont let me |
| 01:56.04 | Darkenvy | oh I missed that |
| 01:56.06 | nasuta | Wyzard: see -> http://wiki.debian.org/IRC#Official_Debian_IRC_channels |
| 01:56.15 | Wyzard | If you look in your /etc/sudoers you should see a line that says: %sudoALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 01:56.31 | Wyzard | (If you don't, it means I added that line locally on my own system and forgot about it, so please tell me) |
| 01:56.38 | pickcoder | su su su sudo |
| 01:57.03 | MaxTest | Hi,everybody |
| 01:57.09 | Wyzard | sussudio: This is where you chime in :-P |
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| 01:57.11 | Darkenvy | This didnt work |
| 01:57.19 | Darkenvy | I added him to the group sudo |
| 01:57.24 | MaxTest | This is Max in Sydney |
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| 01:57.44 | Wyzard | nasuta: I'm aware that OFTC is the "official" channel, but this one is just as active |
| 01:58.32 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: Do you have that line I mentioned in your sudoers file? |
| 01:58.36 | Wyzard | I believe it's there by default |
| 01:59.02 | Darkenvy | what line did you mention? |
| 01:59.21 | Wyzard | %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
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| 02:01.09 | Darkenvy | no I do not |
| 02:01.16 | Darkenvy | and I cannot add it in "readonly file" |
| 02:01.24 | Darkenvy | is this locked that can't be overridden? |
| 02:01.37 | Wyzard | OK, maybe I added that myself at some point |
| 02:01.42 | Wyzard | but you can add it too |
| 02:01.54 | pickcoder | Darkenvy: visudo |
| 02:01.59 | pickcoder | don't edit that file directly |
| 02:02.10 | th0r | Darkenvy: on a new debian install you need the root password to get into those files. Do you have the root password? |
| 02:02.19 | richo | Hrm |
| 02:02.29 | Darkenvy | I have been root |
| 02:02.30 | richo | goes back to fighting with grub on an efi mac |
| 02:02.40 | Darkenvy | dont edit the file directly? |
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| 02:02.48 | Darkenvy | then dont add that line in using visudo? |
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| 02:03.06 | Wyzard | He means to use visudo instead of your usual editor |
| 02:03.10 | Darkenvy | ah |
| 02:03.35 | Wyzard | visudo copies it to a temporary file, lets you edit that, and then replaces the real sudoers file with the copy when you're done |
| 02:03.37 | Darkenvy | this may be a stupid question, but how to I save and exit visudo? |
| 02:03.47 | Darkenvy | I see |
| 02:03.57 | pickcoder | it also checks format |
| 02:04.05 | Wyzard | Are you familiar with vi? |
| 02:04.10 | pickcoder | and puts the perms back if they were messed with, IIRC |
| 02:04.11 | Darkenvy | vim more specificly |
| 02:04.24 | Darkenvy | but yes |
| 02:04.43 | Wyzard | visudo should just run your default editor, afaik, so it should be vim |
| 02:04.54 | Wyzard | though it might be nano |
| 02:05.12 | Wyzard | ctrl-X to save and quit in nano, iirc |
| 02:05.22 | Darkenvy | ugh |
| 02:05.26 | Darkenvy | sytax error? |
| 02:05.35 | pickcoder | vim-tiny I think |
| 02:05.40 | Darkenvy | I added this line: %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 02:05.44 | pickcoder | install the full version if you use vim |
| 02:06.14 | Darkenvy | thats an uneeded step, this is what needs to get done >< |
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| 02:06.24 | Darkenvy | (installing vim at this moment that is) |
| 02:06.51 | pickcoder | vim-tiny can act wierd under some term settings |
| 02:06.59 | pickcoder | as far as hotkeys and such |
| 02:07.03 | Darkenvy | is it just possible to execute a sh script (for cron) without sudo? |
| 02:07.16 | Darkenvy | I mean I am digging myself into a large hole now |
| 02:07.26 | th0r | Darkenvy: every user can run his own cron |
| 02:07.27 | Wyzard | If you want a cron job to run as root, put it in root's crontab |
| 02:07.31 | pickcoder | cron runs as root and you can run any crontab as a specific user |
| 02:07.47 | Darkenvy | it told me I cant run this as root |
| 02:07.55 | Darkenvy | but also told me I cant run it without sudo |
| 02:08.06 | Wyzard | That doesn't make much sense |
| 02:08.08 | Wyzard | "it" told you? |
| 02:08.11 | Darkenvy | thats what I thouhg |
| 02:08.14 | Darkenvy | *thought |
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| 02:08.53 | pickcoder | the script must be checking env for username |
| 02:09.04 | Darkenvy | Cannot open: Permission denied |
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| 02:09.16 | Darkenvy | so this is something that must be done then huh? |
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| 02:09.55 | Wyzard | can't answer that without knowing what it is that you're trying to run, and how it *ought* to be run |
| 02:10.19 | Darkenvy | minecraft_autobackup.sh |
| 02:10.25 | Darkenvy | umm... yea.... |
| 02:10.50 | Wyzard | Why does that need root privileges? |
| 02:11.00 | pickcoder | it wants to pwn you |
| 02:11.03 | Darkenvy | it does tarball files... |
| 02:11.09 | Darkenvy | idk |
| 02:11.13 | Wyzard | You don't have to be root to make a tarball |
| 02:11.20 | Wyzard | Does it read files that belong to root? |
| 02:11.20 | Darkenvy | I am aware of this |
| 02:11.23 | pickcoder | with feathers? |
| 02:11.26 | Darkenvy | I said that before reading >< |
| 02:11.42 | Wyzard | or store the backup in a root-owned location? |
| 02:12.00 | pickcoder | can you not pastebin that script? |
| 02:12.07 | Wyzard | You shouldn't configure some random script to run as root without having any idea why it needs root in the first place |
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| 02:12.24 | Darkenvy | I can pastebin the script |
| 02:12.41 | Darkenvy | and I used this script for over a year, its lovely |
| 02:12.55 | Darkenvy | many server owners use it, Im sure somone would have mentioned something fishy |
| 02:12.55 | pickcoder | do you know what it does? |
| 02:13.03 | Darkenvy | Ive read down it myself before |
| 02:13.12 | Darkenvy | and made modifications to it also |
| 02:13.23 | pickcoder | does it need to read root owned files? |
| 02:13.25 | Darkenvy | http://omg-websystems.co.uk/scripts/bash/minecraft_autobackup.sh;chmod +x minecraft_autobackup.sh;./minecraft_autobackup.sh |
| 02:13.33 | Darkenvy | lol |
| 02:13.38 | Darkenvy | copy fail |
| 02:13.51 | Darkenvy | http://omg-websystems.co.uk/scripts/bash/minecraft_autobackup.sh |
| 02:14.02 | Darkenvy | thats the original ^ |
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| 02:15.30 | magyar_ | hi guys, do i need to register a subdomain with registrar to make it resolve to the world? |
| 02:15.35 | Wyzard | I don't see anything in that script that inherently needs root |
| 02:16.02 | Wyzard | though it's strange that a script that's apparently meant to be run *from* cron also wants to *create* a cron job |
| 02:16.05 | Darkenvy | heres my error |
| 02:16.07 | Darkenvy | tar: backups/10-06-2011/tvk.10-06-2011_222051.tar.gz: Cannot open: Permission denied |
| 02:16.23 | Wyzard | Who owns that file? |
| 02:16.28 | pickcoder | magyar_: no.. it needs to be in your DNS tables located at the name servers pointed to by the NS records of your primary domain |
| 02:16.48 | Darkenvy | is it just my permissions?! |
| 02:16.53 | Darkenvy | of that folder? |
| 02:17.27 | Wyzard | "permission denied" when accessing a file typically indicates a file permissions problem... |
| 02:17.41 | magyar_ | pickcoder: i've bee taring my hair out but I can make it work through the primary domain, it only resolves locally but not to the world |
| 02:17.53 | magyar_ | s/can/can't |
| 02:18.17 | boudiccas | magyar; firewall? |
| 02:18.17 | Darkenvy | chmod 777? |
| 02:18.23 | Darkenvy | I heard you should do 777 though |
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| 02:18.49 | pickcoder | magyar_: what DNS server did you update it on? |
| 02:18.52 | magyar_ | boudiccas: the primary domain resolves but not the subdomain |
| 02:19.11 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: Do you understand what 777 means? |
| 02:19.17 | magyar_ | pickcoder: i only have one bind9 dns server |
| 02:19.31 | pickcoder | magyar_: what is the primary domain |
| 02:20.04 | magyar_ | safeformat.com |
| 02:20.14 | pickcoder | 777 = lucky 7s |
| 02:20.23 | Darkenvy | 777 means awesomeness? that everyone can use the file? |
| 02:20.31 | Darkenvy | I was told on a tutorial once to use 777 |
| 02:20.33 | Wyzard | everyone can modify the file, in fact |
| 02:20.49 | Darkenvy | which sounds good |
| 02:20.54 | Darkenvy | probrem solved? |
| 02:21.31 | pickcoder | magyar_: 208.109.255.26 |
| 02:21.31 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.31 | Darkenvy | whats the number I should use? >< |
| 02:21.38 | magyar_ | bahh, pickcoder s/safeformat.com/magyarock.com |
| 02:21.38 | pickcoder | nice lf |
| 02:21.47 | pickcoder | oh |
| 02:21.50 | Wyzard | Making a file world-writable generally isn't a preferable solution to a problem |
| 02:22.11 | Wyzard | unless you like the idea of other users on the server tampering with your backup files |
| 02:22.25 | Darkenvy | Im using a vps and Im the only user |
| 02:22.26 | pickcoder | 216.123.169.253 |
| 02:22.33 | pickcoder | should be the DNS server with the answers |
| 02:22.47 | pickcoder | everyone else should be pulling updates from it |
| 02:23.01 | Wyzard | and that filename has a date in it, so I'm guessing that a new backup file is created each time the script runs, which means that changing the permissions on *this* backup file won't make any difference for the *next* one |
| 02:23.15 | Darkenvy | I think its the folder though |
| 02:23.18 | Darkenvy | wait oh? |
| 02:23.31 | Darkenvy | oh god.... then how is this problem being started? |
| 02:23.44 | Darkenvy | why doesnt the script make the permissions correct then? |
| 02:24.10 | Wyzard | What *are* the permissions on the file? |
| 02:24.12 | Wyzard | owner too |
| 02:24.15 | boudiccas | Darkenvy; why not use rsync? |
| 02:24.23 | Darkenvy | the file is being created.... and stopped..... |
| 02:24.48 | magyar_ | ahh, i think I got it, let me try that, thanks pickcoder |
| 02:24.52 | Darkenvy | so it stops because the newly created file the script started to write makes it so the script cant write to the file it jsut started to write? |
| 02:25.31 | Wyzard | You're making assumptions and guesses |
| 02:25.39 | Darkenvy | but thats what it sounds like |
| 02:25.41 | Wyzard | *Look* at the actual permissions on the file, and the directory it's in |
| 02:25.56 | Darkenvy | how can I check it in terminal? |
| 02:25.59 | Wyzard | ls -l |
| 02:26.09 | Darkenvy | and check a foldeR? |
| 02:26.11 | Wyzard | For the directory, ls -ld |
| 02:27.22 | Darkenvy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27973296 Jun 10 21:40 tvk.10-06-2011_213955.tar.gz |
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| 02:27.41 | Darkenvy | folder: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Jun 10 21:39 . |
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| 02:28.59 | Wyzard | so they're owned by root... and since your backup script contains no chown commands, that probably means they were created by something running as root |
| 02:29.11 | Darkenvy | ummm |
| 02:29.13 | Darkenvy | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 02:29.16 | Darkenvy | I know the issue |
| 02:29.27 | Darkenvy | my last VPS I didnt create a user and ran the server as root |
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| 02:30.15 | oldtopman | Restarting |
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| 02:30.33 | Darkenvy | so what number would do me good for chmod? |
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| 02:30.43 | Darkenvy | Im not very... smart about permissions |
| 02:30.48 | Darkenvy | *knowlegable |
| 02:31.40 | Wyzard | It sounds like the problem is that your backup script, which is not running as root, didn't have permission to create a new file in your backup directory, because the directory is owned by root and not writable by anyone else |
| 02:31.43 | brianmwaters | when I run dpkg --get-selections on lenny, there are a handful of packages in the "deinstall" state. but they are not actually installed. what is this about? |
| 02:32.07 | pickcoder | brianmwaters: probably broken packages |
| 02:32.14 | pickcoder | try purging them |
| 02:32.19 | Wyzard | You should change the backup directory (and the old backup files) to be owned by whatever account is running the backup script (admin?) |
| 02:32.23 | pickcoder | (if they are not actually installed) |
| 02:32.36 | stew | brianmwaters: they were once installed, then you asked for them to be removed |
| 02:32.54 | brianmwaters | purging did nothing |
| 02:32.58 | stew | it wouldn't |
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| 02:33.09 | brianmwaters | stew: but there are other formerly-installed packages that don't show up in there |
| 02:33.12 | pickcoder | get-selections records removals? |
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| 02:33.45 | magyar_ | pickcoder: work great thanks |
| 02:33.45 | brianmwaters | i don't have the same problem on my ubuntu 11.04 laptop. i don't think dpkg is supposed to record removals like that. |
| 02:33.54 | stew | it is |
| 02:33.55 | pickcoder | magyar_: no problem |
| 02:34.05 | Darkenvy | Im almost out of your hair |
| 02:34.18 | Darkenvy | how do I chmod my folder to nessisary permissions? |
| 02:34.26 | Darkenvy | I know 777 shouldnt be right |
| 02:34.27 | Wyzard | You want chown, not chmod |
| 02:34.38 | brianmwaters | stew: so then why are other formerly-installed packages not showing up? |
| 02:34.43 | Wyzard | The permissions are correct: writable by the owner, read-only for everyone else |
| 02:34.46 | Wyzard | It's the owner that's wrong |
| 02:34.50 | Darkenvy | what does chown do? |
| 02:34.55 | Darkenvy | I dont understand the difference |
| 02:34.59 | Wyzard | changes the owner of a file (or directory) |
| 02:35.04 | Darkenvy | I see |
| 02:35.10 | stew | brianmwaters: because they are no longer available and --forget-old-unavil was called? |
| 02:35.15 | Darkenvy | so can I jsut "chown" while inside the dir? |
| 02:35.18 | Wyzard | If you're going to run a Linux server, you should learn basic Linux concepts |
| 02:35.37 | Wyzard | no, chown <user> <dirname> |
| 02:35.38 | Darkenvy | Ive ran one for 2 years and chown is not something Ive ever needed to do |
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| 02:35.49 | Darkenvy | actually wait I have chowned into my system form a bootCD before |
| 02:35.54 | gnarface | man chown |
| 02:35.55 | gnarface | man chmod |
| 02:35.55 | brianmwaters | stew: dpkg man page says that command line option is a no-op on lenny |
| 02:36.00 | Wyzard | You're thinking of chroot there |
| 02:36.05 | pickcoder | chown and chroot is not the same |
| 02:36.05 | Darkenvy | but permissions.... I am lost when it comes to that. other than 777 which I can do |
| 02:36.07 | stew | brianmwaters: ok, so then they are just no longer availabe? |
| 02:36.15 | stew | Darkenvy: 777 is pretty much never the right thing |
| 02:36.18 | brianmwaters | oh sorry |
| 02:36.20 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 02:36.21 | pickcoder | Darkenvy: consider +w and -w format |
| 02:36.25 | brianmwaters | that's the manpage on ubuntu 11 |
| 02:36.27 | Darkenvy | oh I chrooted thats what I did |
| 02:36.34 | pickcoder | there's a few thousand pages on *nix file permissions |
| 02:36.38 | brianmwaters | reading ubuntu manpages for debian system = bad |
| 02:36.44 | Darkenvy | yes and calculators.... |
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| 02:36.46 | brianmwaters | hold on i'll run it w/ that option stew |
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| 02:37.16 | brianmwaters | stew: still did nothing |
| 02:37.24 | stew | brianmwaters: what were you expecting it to do? |
| 02:37.49 | Darkenvy | im jsut goign to 777 it |
| 02:37.52 | Darkenvy | idk what im doing |
| 02:37.54 | Wyzard | No, don't 777 it |
| 02:37.56 | Darkenvy | thanks for the help guys! |
| 02:38.06 | brianmwaters | make is so that when i run dpkg --get-selections, no uninstalled packages show up as "deinstall" |
| 02:38.10 | pickcoder | lites the fuse |
| 02:38.13 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: and please, learn some basics about how to operate your system |
| 02:38.20 | stew | brianmwaters: i don't believe there is a good way to do that |
| 02:38.24 | Darkenvy | Im the only user, who cares if I 777 it? |
| 02:38.30 | Darkenvy | one folder being 777.... |
| 02:38.35 | pickcoder | or at least install a GUI that has checkboxes for permissions |
| 02:38.35 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: chown admin:admin backupdir |
| 02:38.36 | stew | brianmwaters: its not going to forget about packages which are still available |
| 02:38.43 | brianmwaters | hm |
| 02:38.51 | stew | brianmwaters: why does it matter? |
| 02:39.17 | stew | brianmwaters: if you are relying on this, you could probably be going about this a different way |
| 02:39.17 | brianmwaters | i might image this system and clone it around, so i'd like all the packaging stuff to be in order |
| 02:39.26 | stew | brianmwaters: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 02:39.31 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: "I don't understand what I'm doing so I'll just turn off all security" is not a habit you want to practice, even if it's not likely to cause a problem in this particular case |
| 02:39.58 | stew | brianmwaters: dpkg selections don't save the state of manual/auto installed packages |
| 02:40.02 | brianmwaters | what's the deal with dpkg selections anyway? don't they attempt to solve the same kind of problem that apt-get and aptitude do? |
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| 02:40.18 | brianmwaters | stew: i know. that information is handled by apt |
| 02:40.24 | Darkenvy | The way you put it made me laugh |
| 02:40.30 | Darkenvy | you made it so blunt... |
| 02:40.46 | stew | brianmwaters: i'm not sure I understand what you are asking |
| 02:40.59 | Darkenvy | but heres my scenerio: my server has been crashing due to a memory leak in a minecraft bug..... every crash = lost inventories = pissed players |
| 02:41.11 | Darkenvy | so I NEED a backup script up asap while I investigate the issue |
| 02:41.17 | Wyzard | brianmwaters: Long ago, apt didn't exist and dpkg was responsible for that stuff |
| 02:41.26 | Wyzard | brianmwaters: I *think* it's basically vestigial now |
| 02:41.41 | brianmwaters | wyzard: i figured it was some legacy thing like that. maybe i should just ignore it and rely on apt |
| 02:42.08 | Wyzard | brianmwaters: Read about "dselect" if you're interested in the history :-) |
| 02:42.16 | brianmwaters | ok |
| 02:42.22 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: Right, so just change your backup directory to be owned by the user that's running the backup, and you should be OK |
| 02:42.23 | brianmwaters | i havent use that program |
| 02:42.35 | Darkenvy | changed.... reexecuting the script |
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| 02:43.04 | brianmwaters | on a related note, is there a way to do something similar to "deborphan --ignore-recommends" on lenny? |
| 02:43.18 | pickcoder | 3G EV-DO + WiFi router on 1saleaday for $18USD |
| 02:43.20 | brianmwaters | i'd like to get rid of all recommended packages that I don't explicitly want |
| 02:43.23 | Darkenvy | tar: backups/10-06-2011/tvk.10-06-2011_224813.tar.gz: Cannot open: Permission denied |
| 02:43.27 | pickcoder | ponders purchase |
| 02:43.31 | brianmwaters | i do that on all my squeeze and ubuntu machines |
| 02:43.44 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: What did you change? |
| 02:44.02 | Darkenvy | chown admin:admin backups |
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| 02:44.23 | Darkenvy | but I had to do it as root |
| 02:44.43 | Wyzard | That's fine |
| 02:44.52 | Wyzard | Does "ls -ld" on that directory show admin instead of root now? |
| 02:45.16 | Wyzard | and is admin the user who's running the backup script? |
| 02:45.17 | Darkenvy | no it does not in fact 0_o |
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| 02:46.16 | Darkenvy | I tried the command again and nothing |
| 02:46.30 | Wyzard | brianmwaters: I use aptitude in interactive mode for installing things, so I can edit the proposed changes before proceeding with the install |
| 02:47.13 | Darkenvy | 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 10 21:39 10-06-2011 |
| 02:47.25 | brianmwaters | wyzard: me too. but i don't know of a way to use anything other than deborphan to see all the packages which have recommend dependencies but no hard dependencies on the system |
| 02:47.35 | brianmwaters | if that language makes sense... |
| 02:47.48 | Wyzard | brianmwaters: and after installing a fresh copy of Debian, go into aptitude and press 'M' on the root of the tree, which marks *everything* for removal |
| 02:47.58 | brianmwaters | yeah |
| 02:47.59 | Wyzard | then go through and '+' just the packages you want to keep |
| 02:48.33 | besar | Does anyone know if cryptsetup/luks has a specific channel here on freenode? |
| 02:48.43 | brianmwaters | wyzard: i've done that. made easer though, with grepping and sedding lists of packages |
| 02:49.10 | Darkenvy | soo.... umm... how can I change ownership if changing ownership doesnt work? |
| 02:49.24 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: You said you ran "chown admin:admin backups" -- did you do that in the directory that contains the backups directory? |
| 02:49.37 | Darkenvy | I did that in the previous directory |
| 02:49.49 | Darkenvy | doing it in the current directory wouldnt point to the folder |
| 02:50.35 | Wyzard | "current directory" is whatever directory you're cd'ed to at any given moment, so that's not a clear statement |
| 02:50.59 | Wyzard | but I think you mean that it wouldn't work to do it from in the backups directory (which is true) |
| 02:51.05 | Darkenvy | yea that wasnt that clear I guess |
| 02:51.16 | Darkenvy | but my prompt is in the ~/backups folder atm |
| 02:51.26 | brianmwaters | what i've done on squeeze and ubuntu is this: install a system. use deborphan --ignore-recommends to help me get rid of all the crap i don't want. then run dpkg --clear-selections to find out all the "essential" packages. concatenate that list w/ the output of "deborphan --ignore-recommends -a" (all the leaves i want). then mark all the packages in that list as manually installed, everything else as automatically installed. then use aptitude to clean out ev |
| 02:51.40 | Wyzard | then you did run it in the backups directory, it seems |
| 02:51.40 | brianmwaters | the problem is, i can't deborphan --ignore-recommends on lenny |
| 02:51.49 | Darkenvy | I did not |
| 02:52.14 | Wyzard | Actually, "chown admin:admin ." from within the backups directory would work too |
| 02:52.16 | Darkenvy | I cd'ed afterwards into the folder to check the ownership |
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| 02:52.40 | Wyzard | oh, you could also just do "ls -ld backups" |
| 02:52.47 | Darkenvy | missing oerand after.... |
| 02:52.51 | Darkenvy | *operand |
| 02:53.24 | Wyzard | notice the dot after "admin" |
| 02:53.54 | Darkenvy | I did notice right now that even with the error It now says admin:admin |
| 02:54.11 | Wyzard | what does, the error message? |
| 02:54.19 | Darkenvy | no the ls -ld |
| 02:54.32 | brianmwaters | crap, i have to go. thanks for the input Wyzard and stew |
| 02:54.49 | Wyzard | ls -ld output doesn't contain the colon |
| 02:55.05 | Wyzard | but if it says admin for the owner and group, you've successfully changed it |
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| 02:55.26 | Darkenvy | tar: backups/10-06-2011/tvk.10-06-2011_225515.tar.gz: Cannot open: Permission denied |
| 02:55.35 | Rug | What is the name of the user (or group) that the samba share users for read/write access to shares? |
| 02:55.47 | Rug | uses* |
| 02:56.08 | Wyzard | Rug: it uses the owner of the file being accessed |
| 02:56.19 | Wyzard | err, sorry, the authenticated user |
| 02:56.26 | Darkenvy | so something still isnt right |
| 02:56.46 | Rug | Wyzard: what if share level is set to share and not user? |
| 02:56.47 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: Does that file exist already? |
| 02:57.46 | Darkenvy | shouldn't since its timestamped with a new time via seconds and minutes |
| 02:58.12 | Wyzard | Rug: IIRC, that changes how it authenticates the user, but it still uses the permissions of the authenticated user when actually accessing files |
| 02:58.29 | Darkenvy | OMG |
| 02:58.31 | Darkenvy | tar: tvk: file changed as we read it |
| 02:58.32 | Darkenvy | Autobackup has been installed. |
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| 02:58.38 | Darkenvy | thats good enough ^ |
| 02:58.41 | Darkenvy | I think it worked |
| 02:58.51 | Darkenvy | it created a subfolder that I needed to rm -R as root |
| 02:58.53 | Wyzard | Rug: I don't think samba implements win95-style shares with just a password and no associated user |
| 02:59.06 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: Why did you need to be root to delete it? |
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| 02:59.28 | magyar_ | is there a way to find out what is my external ipaddress when I am behind a firewall? |
| 02:59.47 | Wyzard | magyar_: http://www.whatismyip.com/ |
| 02:59.59 | magyar_ | Wyzard: am on console |
| 03:00.00 | Darkenvy | because I didnt own the 10-06-2011 folder |
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| 03:00.07 | Wyzard | use elinks? |
| 03:00.08 | Darkenvy | oh wait... a failed file inside it |
| 03:00.13 | gnarface | magyar_: then use lynx, or links2 |
| 03:00.14 | Darkenvy | it was owned by root |
| 03:00.21 | Darkenvy | idk but the script ran |
| 03:00.28 | Darkenvy | thanks wyzard for bearing with me |
| 03:00.33 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: You should change the ownership of all the stuff under backups, not just the backups directory itself |
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| 03:00.57 | Wyzard | no reason to have old backup files and directories still owned by root |
| 03:00.59 | Darkenvy | btw, I normally dont practice bad security (which is why I now run my server as a user) but now wasnt the time to learn when Im on the clock :S |
| 03:01.18 | Darkenvy | yes its a new folder NOW so nothing else is in it |
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| 03:01.59 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: If you've been running a Linux system for two years and don't know about file ownership and permissions, you're severely lacking in basics for an admin, so there's a high probability you've been practicing bad security in other ways and not known it |
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| 03:02.28 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: You really should get a book or tutorial or something |
| 03:02.51 | Wyzard | so that others don't have to deal with attacks from your server when it gets rooted, etc. |
| 03:03.16 | Darkenvy | lol |
| 03:03.22 | Wyzard | magyar_: btw, what you mean is "behind a NAT", not "behind a firewall" |
| 03:03.32 | Wyzard | Firewalls don't hide IP addresses |
| 03:03.36 | Darkenvy | I run ubuntu at home and practice permissions within the system via GUI |
| 03:03.45 | Darkenvy | but I dont know what 555 is or 576 or anything other than 777 |
| 03:03.53 | magyar_ | Wyzard: sry, i meant nat |
| 03:04.02 | un214 | 4777 = permission to be killed |
| 03:04.10 | Wyzard | Darkenvy: Do you know binary at all? |
| 03:04.23 | Darkenvy | How can you guys remember random numbers for permissions? oh that drwxr-xr-x stuff idk either |
| 03:04.39 | Darkenvy | I dont KNOW binary but I understand how it counts up and down |
| 03:04.44 | un214 | it's octal |
| 03:04.53 | un214 | 7 = rwx, 6 = rw, etc. |
| 03:04.56 | Darkenvy | 0 1 10 11 100 |
| 03:05.07 | Wyzard | You've seen the "rwx" in ls -l output, where each can be on or off ("rw-", "r--", "r--x", etc.) |
| 03:05.12 | Wyzard | That's a 3-bit number |
| 03:05.28 | Darkenvy | hmmm I see |
| 03:05.34 | Wyzard | r is in the 4 place, w is in the 2 place, x is in the 1 place |
| 03:05.41 | Wyzard | so just add together the bits you want |
| 03:05.57 | Darkenvy | but then you still get to the numbers, which I dont have memorized |
| 03:05.59 | Wyzard | "rw-" is 110, 4+2=6 |
| 03:06.35 | Wyzard | That's what tells you the numbers |
| 03:06.39 | pickcoder | or you can spell it all out with + and - for each mode |
| 03:06.48 | pickcoder | for each permission level |
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| 03:07.16 | Wyzard | A file's permissions have three groups of bits, for owner, group, and others -- e.g. "rw-r--r--" |
| 03:07.20 | Wyzard | Each group of three makes one digit |
| 03:07.31 | Darkenvy | I dont know what others is for |
| 03:07.45 | Wyzard | everyone who isn't the owner of the file or in the file's group |
| 03:07.55 | Darkenvy | ah |
| 03:08.00 | un214 | the thing in front is file type |
| 03:08.12 | Wyzard | Again, this stuff is basics that you should learn from an introductory Linux book |
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| 03:08.33 | Darkenvy | seeI started linux from a gui end |
| 03:08.59 | Darkenvy | from a desire to get away from viruses (windows + reinstalling every 4 months) |
| 03:09.23 | Darkenvy | so I probably have had a different approach to learning linux but I dont think Im THAT insecure |
| 03:09.43 | pickcoder | what's ur IP... :) |
| 03:09.56 | Wyzard | Desktop GUI systems try to make things relatively simple for non-technical users, e.g. people coming from Windows |
| 03:09.59 | Darkenvy | no |
| 03:10.08 | Darkenvy | thats the first thing Im not going to give you ?> |
| 03:10.12 | Darkenvy | >< |
| 03:10.13 | pipeline | Darkenvy: unfortunately, UNIX systems were designed with GUIs as an afterthought. Any time you use a GUI, you put yourself at risk :\ |
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| 03:10.20 | tensorpudding | desktop gui isn't just to make it simpler for newbies, it's to make it more useful |
| 03:10.24 | Wyzard | which is fine, but if you're going to be an admin of a server, you need to learn more about how the system actually works |
| 03:10.46 | Darkenvy | I use ubuntu desktop btw |
| 03:11.00 | Wyzard | but presumably you're running a Debian server :-) |
| 03:11.10 | Darkenvy | that is correct |
| 03:11.27 | Darkenvy | I do feel that I understand a good amount of how an ubuntu system works |
| 03:11.36 | Darkenvy | but this new upstart bullcrap.... |
| 03:11.40 | Darkenvy | I like runlevels :P |
| 03:11.52 | tensorpudding | everyone's moving to replace sysv |
| 03:12.03 | Darkenvy | so ive heard |
| 03:12.04 | tensorpudding | i'd like ubuntu to switch to systemd but it's not likely to happen |
| 03:12.14 | Wyzard | I don't know about upstart in particular, but I think the move away from sysvinit toward more intelligent inits is a good thing |
| 03:12.25 | pipeline | tensorpudding: it is likely to happen in the long run |
| 03:12.38 | tensorpudding | why do you think so? |
| 03:13.13 | pipeline | tensorpudding: debian already includes systemd as an option, and RH is likely to adopt systemd. Whatever RH does, the rest of us are forced to conform to. They're the 800 lb gorilla in the space. Other parties innovate, but you don't ever want to bet against RH's chosen technology, even if they didn't develop it :P |
| 03:13.58 | stew | uh, you don't really think that debian is going to be pressured into using systemd by redhat somehow, do you? |
| 03:14.15 | pipeline | "pressured by redhat" is an awkward way to put it |
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| 03:14.26 | pipeline | more likely, lots of software will expect systemd to exist, and systemd will simply be a popular choice on debian |
| 03:14.40 | tensorpudding | debian and its derivatives don't conform to red hat |
| 03:14.46 | pipeline | will there be pressure ? sure |
| 03:14.52 | pipeline | will that pressure be exerted by redhat on debian.org? certainly not |
| 03:15.09 | tensorpudding | in any case, ubuntu doesn't follow debian |
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| 03:15.22 | pipeline | ubuntu will experience the same pressures *shrug* |
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| 03:15.45 | Darkenvy | well ubuntu is moving away from X from what I heard? |
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| 03:15.54 | tensorpudding | wayland's not just ubuntu |
| 03:16.09 | tensorpudding | i'm pretty sure freedesktop is behind it |
| 03:16.20 | Darkenvy | but this messes up preexisting software like nvidia's xinerama that is a must for me |
| 03:16.55 | Darkenvy | anyways thanks #debian for your help |
| 03:17.01 | Darkenvy | peace |
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| 03:42.22 | sam350 | sup.. after distro upgrade from lenny to squeeze, apache2 will not serve index.html or index.php from subfolders- only the root in the virtualhost section of my sites |
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| 03:53.36 | ^-^ | If you wanted to encrypt your drive using something like dm-crypt would you need to do it before installing or can it be done after? |
| 03:54.07 | ^-^ | I want to protect things that may be kicking around should my laptop get stolen. SSH keys I think would be the most valuable, followed by maybe source files. |
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| 03:54.23 | ^-^ | Maybe I should just keep those on a seperate spot or whatever? I'm kind of new to it all. |
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| 04:00.23 | SushiDude | ^-^: you can set up an encrypted LVM during the install. |
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| 04:07.06 | karlpinc | ^-^: You can do it after, but then you need extra space to make the new copy and must take care to wipe the old data. Better to do it from the start. |
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| 04:09.11 | karlpinc | sam350: Check the release notes and the readme.debian and the bug system. (It does not feel like an upgrade issue, but I could be wrong.) |
| 04:09.17 | karlpinc | !tell sam350 about readme.debian |
| 04:11.10 | sam350 | karlpinc: thanx |
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| 04:13.11 | bionicandroid | a |
| 04:13.30 | sam350 | karlpinc: check this out- if I provide the ending slash, it DOES serve the index in the folder. But browsers don't add it for you. This must be new behavior in apache or something |
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| 04:32.49 | un214 | what's broken is requesting a directory should 403 to the same path with the / appended |
| 04:38.55 | Wyzard | un214: 403 is Forbidden, not redirect |
| 04:39.09 | un214 | oops |
| 04:39.13 | un214 | been too long |
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| 04:39.56 | Wyzard | sam350: Browsers never add the slash automatically, it's the server that sends a redirect to add it |
| 04:40.14 | Wyzard | sam350: Apache never does it "automatically" -- it has to be specifically configured to -- but that should be part of the default configuration |
| 04:40.56 | rich0_ | Is there any other data on macbook install than the MacBook page on the wiki? It seems to suggest that my keyboard and mouse will just work with X11 and they well... don't. |
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| 04:43.40 | Wyzard | sam350: hmm, no, maybe I'm wrong about that: /etc/apache2/mods-available/setenvif.conf has some directives that disable the automatic redirects for certain buggy clients, and I can't find anything in the configuration to specifically tell Apache to do it otherwise, so maybe it is a built-in automatic thing |
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| 04:51.44 | azathoth99 | deb deb bo beb |
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| 05:09.42 | WarOp | I'm trying to install software on my new installation of debain and I have 3 Drives, 1 CD, 2 DVD, when I try to install the software then it says to stick Debian Disc 1 in drive /cdrom/ but it doesnt see my dvd drives as being /cdrom/ |
| 05:09.49 | WarOp | anyone know how to change it |
| 05:10.53 | WarOp | anyone |
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| 05:22.32 | WarOp | Is anyone on here |
| 05:22.45 | WarOp | or em i talking to ghost |
| 05:23.02 | rich0_ | I'm here |
| 05:23.07 | rich0_ | but I'm not sure what your question was |
| 05:23.54 | WarOp | trying to install software and I have 3 drives 1 cd 2 dvd and wont let me install software unless dvd is in drive cdrom but |
| 05:24.13 | rich0_ | do you need to mount the disk first? |
| 05:24.21 | rich0_ | I don't really know how cdrom works with aptitude |
| 05:24.22 | swilson06 | is swftools a debian package? i can't find it |
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| 05:25.10 | wols_ | WarOp: do you have a broadband connection with your debian? if so, it's easier to install all the software via internet |
| 05:25.15 | WarOp | the operating system mounts the debian disc 1 but the software manager doesnt see it as cdrom so it doesnt work |
| 05:25.31 | wols_ | WarOp: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ in a pastebin |
| 05:25.40 | WarOp | ya trying to install software from internet but then ask for disc 1 to be inserted |
| 05:25.46 | WarOp | in order to install |
| 05:26.28 | swilson06 | WarOp: yeah, that shouldn't happen - i haven't used a cd in a computer in over a year |
| 05:26.35 | wols_ | swilson06: there is gnash-tools |
| 05:26.49 | wols_ | WarOp: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:27.01 | wols_ | WarOp: no .d at the end. sorry |
| 05:27.03 | swilson06 | gnash.... didn't think of that.... have to look into it working with openkm. thanks |
| 05:27.05 | WarOp | that folder is blank |
| 05:27.14 | wols_ | WarOp: sources.list |
| 05:27.19 | WarOp | so its not suppose to need to disc 1 inorder to install software |
| 05:27.36 | wols_ | well it is, if you have a deb cdrom line in your sources.list |
| 05:27.38 | WarOp | that folder is empty /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 05:27.52 | wols_ | sources.list, not sources.list.d. see above |
| 05:27.56 | swilson06 | no, it's a file |
| 05:28.03 | wols_ | swilson06: there are both |
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| 05:28.22 | swilson06 | sources.list is the file, sources.list.d is the directory |
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| 05:28.32 | WarOp | k I think i found it now it opened up my software repository only 2 are internet address the rest are cdrom |
| 05:28.49 | wols_ | WarOp: in short, in sources.list there is a line (or several), which start with "deb cdrom". put a "#" letter in front of each, run aptitude update and then you can install whateevr you want |
| 05:29.45 | WarOp | alright so does that mean its trying to pull the packages off of the dvds i downloaded instead of the internet |
| 05:30.00 | swilson06 | WarOp: don't know what type of connection you have or what your use case is, but... |
| 05:30.13 | wols_ | yes it does. since dvds are "nearer" to you than the internet and possibly cheaper |
| 05:30.25 | swilson06 | when i install debian, i 'mv sources.list sources.list.orig' and go here: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php and make a new one |
| 05:30.30 | WarOp | Have DSL connection but I downloaded all DVDS |
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| 05:30.47 | WarOp | and when i installed my system i scanned all dvds in |
| 05:30.48 | wols_ | WarOp: don't do that. wastes a lot of internet traffic |
| 05:31.03 | wols_ | you only needed the first one, nothing else |
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| 05:31.28 | swilson06 | actually, net install works best in most cases |
| 05:31.40 | swilson06 | ~50 megs iirc |
| 05:31.40 | WarOp | alright so just use the internet to download the packages and comment out the use of the cdrom lines |
| 05:31.54 | WarOp | and dont need to save the other dvds |
| 05:32.32 | wols_ | swilson06: more like 150, and there are lots of cases where it has problems. wlan usually |
| 05:32.54 | wols_ | it pays to read the install guide first before installing /msg dpkg ig |
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| 05:33.50 | swilson06 | wols_: like i said 'most cases' :) |
| 05:34.57 | swilson06 | and, maybe net install has grown since i last cared - ie when usb disks were ~64 megs :) |
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| 05:47.01 | k-man | what is the debian way to allow .htaccess files in the document root? |
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| 05:53.38 | one_ | k-man: just make sure the module handling htaccess is in the dir mods-enabled (should be by default) |
| 05:54.18 | k-man | no, i think its off by default |
| 05:54.27 | k-man | sites-enabled/000-default:AllowOverride None |
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| 05:55.06 | k-man | should i just edit the 000-default? |
| 05:55.21 | one_ | uhm.. that file isn not from debian |
| 05:55.42 | one_ | debian would just link to files in mods-availanble... and has no number |
| 05:57.58 | k-man | i think that file might be a very old debian file maybe? |
| 05:58.09 | k-man | i dunno where it came from if debian didn't install it - anywa |
| 05:58.42 | k-man | ah, seems like its an old symlink |
| 05:58.49 | k-man | i think i should do a purge of apache and reinstall |
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| 06:03.55 | swilson06 | one_: site-available iirc |
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| 06:23.08 | one_ | depends if it's default /var/www or own Site & DocRoot |
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| 06:27.39 | swilson06 | man, it's been a while since i've used apache :) |
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| 06:34.44 | richo | should I be expecting wicd and atheros to just work? |
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| 06:50.05 | wols_ | richo: atheros usually yes. n-card less so |
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| 06:51.01 | richo | Turns out it's not even atheros |
| 06:51.05 | richo | dunno where I got that impression from |
| 06:51.14 | richo | explains why loading atheros modules didn't help much though ;) |
| 06:51.41 | avernos | if i have a core i3 what arquitecture should i use ? |
| 06:51.52 | avernos | Intel Itanium IA-64 |
| 06:51.56 | avernos | ? |
| 06:52.02 | richo | i386 or amd64 |
| 06:52.09 | richo | actually, maybe just i386 |
| 06:52.17 | richo | I dunno if the i3's have the 64 bit extensions |
| 06:52.18 | avernos | amd64? isnt that for amd not for intel / |
| 06:52.28 | richo | no, it's for x86_64 |
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| 06:52.37 | avernos | oh |
| 06:52.50 | avernos | ok thnks, im going to check if i3 have 64 bit |
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| 06:55.59 | avernos | "All Intel CPU's since the P4 5/6 series have supported 64bit OS'" i guess that means it has 64 bit extensions. i've checked wikipedia and couldnt see anything, im going to download the x86_64 and give that a try |
| 06:56.57 | tensorpudding | that doesn't count atoms |
| 06:57.23 | avernos | i guess that would make sene |
| 06:57.27 | avernos | sense* |
| 06:58.01 | avernos | is there any reasons as to why there are so many debian CD's in the torrent section? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 06:58.03 | avernos | its over 50 cds |
| 06:58.08 | wols_ | i3s can use amd64 |
| 06:58.16 | avernos | i hope i just need the first 1? |
| 06:58.27 | wols_ | avernos: yes you only need the first, or the netinst iso. |
| 06:59.25 | avernos | uhm... i might just try netinst iso first... its pretty slow |
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| 06:59.50 | avernos | hey, i've being trying ubuntu, fedora and opensuse with some wireless issues, some kernel bug for lenovo acpi stuff, anyone knows about that? |
| 07:00.28 | wols_ | avernos: what laptop do you have? |
| 07:00.33 | avernos | lenovo V460 |
| 07:00.39 | avernos | has a broadcom 4313 |
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| 07:01.06 | wols_ | you will basically have the same issues with your broadcom. it's just a shitty chipset |
| 07:01.10 | avernos | the driver seems to work, but there are some issues, something about a module called acer_wmi being active on lenovos laptops |
| 07:02.03 | wols_ | tel avernos about brcm80211 |
| 07:02.25 | avernos | i can activate the wireless while that module is active, but i cant make it to connect any wireless at all. while if i modprobe -r acer_wmi i cant wake up the wireless card but the killswitchs works just fine |
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| 07:04.10 | CompizFool | I installed Compiz but it's not working like it should be. Is Compiz a replacement for Gnome? Do I need to disable Gnome and replace it with Compiz somehow? :-) |
| 07:04.19 | CompizFool | ... |
| 07:04.26 | CompizFool | Wait, can I even talk in here without registering? |
| 07:05.00 | avernos | oh\ |
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| 07:05.10 | wols_ | at most, compiz is a replacement for the windowmanager gnome uses. all the gnome apps, panel, etc are still running |
| 07:06.09 | wols_ | !tell CompizFool about compiz |
| 07:07.38 | avernos | !tell avernos about brcm80211 |
| 07:07.59 | CompizFool | wols_: should that bot have sent me a PM or something about it? I didn't notice anything. |
| 07:08.14 | CompizFool | Then again I've never used irssi before either. Everything is new for me today! |
| 07:08.30 | wols_ | yes it should and it did. there is a purple letter in your irssi status bar |
| 07:08.39 | wols_ | press alt+<purple number> |
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| 07:10.13 | CompizFool | wols_: thank you for that little tip :-) |
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| 07:11.06 | CompizFool | wols_: that tutorial asks me to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but that file doesn't exist on my system. Should I create it, or did I forget to install something that is needed? |
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| 07:11.48 | CompizFool | I did of course follow the apt-get install part of it. |
| 07:12.08 | avernos | is it http://ftp.cn.debian.org/ down? |
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| 07:12.25 | avernos | nevermind... |
| 07:12.30 | avernos | really slow.. |
| 07:12.33 | wols_ | CompizFool: old tutorial. normally you shouldn't have to edit xorg.conf |
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| 07:15.23 | CompizFool | Hmm, so I ran compiz --replace and now I can't do anything with the windows. The terminal says Fatal: Softwre rendering detected. Error: failed to manage screen: 0; Fatal: no manageable screens found on display: 0.0 |
| 07:16.30 | wols_ | what videocard do you have? have you checked the rendering with "glxinfo"? |
| 07:17.00 | CompizFool | I have an ATI card of some sort. I think it's HD 3xxx, has two DVI ports on the back |
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| 07:17.41 | CompizFool | glxinfo shows me quite a bit of information. What do I do with all that? |
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| 07:18.50 | CompizFool | Let me grab a pastebin of it. |
| 07:19.14 | wols_ | direct rendering: is the part which is itneresting for compiz |
| 07:20.12 | CompizFool | pastebin.com/vT16RPFQ is the output from that command |
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| 07:21.30 | wols_ | install the non-free firmware for your card |
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| 07:24.02 | CompizFool | Wowsers, 300mb. Will be a minute but okies :-) |
| 07:24.06 | CompizFool | Thank you for your time, btw, wols_ |
| 07:24.24 | wols_ | the firmware isn't 300MB in size. you're doing something wrong |
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| 07:30.41 | CompizFool | wols_: I used apt-get install fglrx-control fglrx-driver and it said 300 something mb. |
| 07:31.22 | CompizFool | I assume I need a reboot for this so I'll be right back |
| 07:31.22 | CompizFool | Thank you again :-) |
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| 07:33.31 | wols_ | *sigh* |
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| 07:40.45 | CompizFool | wols_: okay after a reboot and such it's still not acting quite like I think it should be |
| 07:40.54 | CompizFool | No cube, no animations, whatnot. |
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| 07:41.46 | CompizFool | compiz --replace still shows that no manageable screens found on display: 0.0 |
| 07:41.58 | CompizFool | Might this have something to do with my onboard video messing it up? I'm using a card no the onboard |
| 07:42.21 | wols_ | I told you you your 300MB install was faulty. but you didn't listen and went ahead |
| 07:42.29 | wols_ | also, you never reboot unless you change kernels. |
| 07:42.43 | CompizFool | wols_: sorry for the trouble, I'm very new to it all |
| 07:42.55 | wols_ | what is your exact hardware and what does X currently use? |
| 07:43.34 | CompizFool | Before I answer that (because I don't know without pulling the side off the case) is there a command that would probe the card to find out? |
| 07:43.52 | wols_ | lspci for the hardware, and the Xorg log for what Xorg actually uses |
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| 07:44.28 | wols_ | and you need to make a choice which driver you actually want to use |
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| 07:44.37 | valdyn | "probing" is so isa =/ |
| 07:45.06 | CompizFool | Radeon HD 3870 looks correct to me |
| 07:45.20 | CompizFool | Sorry, 3850. |
| 07:45.27 | crazy2k | What's the difference between owner and administrator in mailman lists? |
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| 07:47.10 | CompizFool | xorg log is quite long but I put it here: http://pastebin.com/LuQh80Qd |
| 07:48.08 | wols_ | you still use the opensource radeon driver. as I told you: install the radeon firmware |
| 07:48.33 | Zitter | is it safe to install php5.3 from backports on squeeze? |
| 07:49.09 | streuner_ | installing php is safe? |
| 07:49.24 | CompizFool | wols_: sorry about that. Is this something I can install using apt-get? |
| 07:49.40 | wols_ | !tell CompizFool about radeon firmware |
| 07:50.35 | wols_ | Zitter: php is never safe, backports are never safe. they're testing packages, so they're as safe as those |
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| 07:55.36 | CompizFool | wols_: do you mean I should install linux-firmware-nonfree? |
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| 07:55.54 | wols_ | yes |
| 07:55.55 | CompizFool | firmware-linux-nonfree even. |
| 07:55.58 | CompizFool | Okay, I did that up :-) |
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| 07:56.12 | CompizFool | Says Fatal: glXCreateContext failed when I use compiz --replace |
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| 07:58.00 | wols_ | just by installing firmware doesn't mean it's used immediately |
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| 07:58.29 | CompizFool | I thought I didn't need to reboot except for kernal changes? Do I need to reload something? |
| 07:58.33 | wols_ | you either need to rmmod and modprobe the firmware using module again or reboot |
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| 07:58.46 | CompizFool | okay, quick reboot |
| 07:58.51 | CompizFool | be right back, thank you again for your time! |
| 07:58.58 | wols_ | firmware IS a kernel change of sorts. and even then: you need to restart the using application, which is in this case X |
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| 08:11.09 | atan | Hey wols_, I've rebooted is there anything else I need to do or should I compiz --replace? |
| 08:11.25 | atan | I'm just going to stick on this other computer while I fiddle with it for now :-) |
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| 08:30.10 | Andorin | I'm having trouble getting wget to download the contents of a website. I should just have to use 'wget -r -mkp -w 20 http://example.com', right? But in that example, I only get the specific example.com page, not example.com/subpage, and its robot.txt file. |
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| 08:40.39 | azathoth99 | thats cuz u fail |
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| 08:42.03 | Andorin | Not a very productive response. |
| 08:42.30 | simonlnu | you might want mirror mode |
| 08:43.04 | Andorin | I had -m set in the command |
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| 08:43.24 | Andorin | Anyway I think the robots.txt is disallowing wget... I just hadn't ever read a robots.txt file before so I had no idea |
| 08:44.26 | azathoth99 | your anger, it has amde u powerful |
| 08:45.28 | Andorin | azathoth99: I suggest that you not troll this channel :) |
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| 08:46.31 | azathoth99 | I sense something, a presence I have not felt, since ...... |
| 08:46.50 | simonlnu | azathoth99: please be quiet, or people will do it for you |
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| 08:48.14 | simonlnu | Andorin: you can make it ignore robots.txt, but then that's really not appreciated either. is wget explicitly disallowed in it? |
| 08:48.30 | azathoth99 | how do you make wget ignore robots . txt? |
| 08:48.49 | Andorin | User-agent: Wget |
| 08:48.50 | Andorin | Disallow: / |
| 08:48.56 | simonlnu | it's called a man page |
| 08:49.04 | simonlnu | ah well |
| 08:49.46 | Andorin | I know that wget has -U for setting a different user agent |
| 08:50.01 | simonlnu | probably there due to previous abuse by others before you |
| 08:50.37 | azathoth99 | lol |
| 08:50.45 | azathoth99 | simonlnu: do you make over 200k a year? |
| 08:50.48 | simonlnu | *plonk* |
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| 08:50.58 | azathoth99 | if not then we shall have no further lecure from your meager skills |
| 08:51.00 | azathoth99 | capishe? |
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| 08:51.32 | simonlnu | azathoth99: welcome to my ignore list. have a good day. |
| 08:51.54 | azathoth99 | bah |
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| 08:52.04 | azathoth99 | 1st level acolye talking to 45th leevl magic user |
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| 08:52.35 | azathoth99 | Andorin: so you now have it working? |
| 08:53.12 | azathoth99 | I fondly remember doing a recursive wget on a cool porn site I loved, whew nelly, I got more than I bargained for |
| 08:53.41 | wols_ | azathoth99: do you have a debian related question/problem? |
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| 08:53.56 | azathoth99 | anyone her eknow if nginx is still limited to 1 cpu due to being based on epoll or if they did something to alleviate that like cherokee did? |
| 08:54.01 | azathoth99 | nop |
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| 08:54.18 | azathoth99 | I tend not to use debian since archlinux obsoleted it, just hanging out |
| 08:54.32 | azathoth99 | just watched hall pass, whew waht a chik flik |
| 08:54.42 | pnbeast | azathoth99, what happened to the gop-something nick you were using yesterday? |
| 08:54.47 | Andorin | #debian-offtopic |
| 08:54.56 | azathoth99 | I cananswer msot linux questions and a fair amount of bsd and solaris ones fi anyone has questions |
| 08:54.57 | wols_ | this channel is not for idle chatter. please use #debian-offtopic or #defocus for that |
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| 08:55.19 | azathoth99 | libertiarin possibly geo-ist, never straight gop |
| 08:55.25 | azathoth99 | as far as politics go |
| 08:55.38 | azathoth99 | geoism is msot unerated economic system devised |
| 08:56.33 | azathoth99 | lxc anyone? anyone here run linux zones? |
| 08:56.56 | azathoth99 | process isolation and virtualization are overrated if you ask me but curious |
| 08:57.06 | azathoth99 | lxc and openvz are interesting |
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| 08:59.17 | ketsa | Hi all, what is the official method to switch default wm in squeeze ? |
| 08:59.31 | azathoth99 | .xinitrc |
| 08:59.37 | azathoth99 | change exec gnome to exec icewm |
| 08:59.42 | azathoth99 | thats after isntallign icewm |
| 08:59.50 | azathoth99 | dwm if you like pain |
| 08:59.53 | azathoth99 | do as user |
| 08:59.59 | azathoth99 | then startx as user |
| 09:00.00 | azathoth99 | :) |
| 09:00.27 | azathoth99 | scrotwm if you want slightly nicer dwm |
| 09:00.36 | azathoth99 | not a joke really a wm |
| 09:00.42 | azathoth99 | by openbsd hackr |
| 09:00.44 | ketsa | i was able to switch in gdm under sarge :( |
| 09:00.47 | ketsa | thanks |
| 09:00.54 | azathoth99 | gdm? |
| 09:00.56 | azathoth99 | wazat? |
| 09:00.59 | wols_ | ketsa: depends how you start your X. "default" is probably update-alternatives for your window manager |
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| 09:01.19 | wols_ | ketsa: displaymanagers work differently. some have settings to choose a different WM, some don't |
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| 09:01.49 | wols_ | ketsa: update-alternatives x-window-manager that is |
| 09:01.52 | ketsa | i remember choosing my wm in gdm, it has been removed in squeeze ? |
| 09:02.24 | phaer | ketsa: No. If you have gdm installed, it should still work |
| 09:02.25 | wols_ | probably another one of the "streamlinings" of gnome. gnome 10 will consist of only a single button on screen you can press. nothing more |
| 09:03.03 | azathoth99 | http://xwinman.org/icewm.php cant really get much better than this |
| 09:03.58 | phaer | ketsa: But you might have to create a file in /usr/share/xsessions (or similiar) if your wm package does not deliver it. |
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| 09:05.00 | ketsa | i cant understand where gnome is going . gdm3 is gdm minus a ton of features, there is no longer a gui to configure it, 50% of the features are gone. had to switch bak to gdm. |
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| 09:05.28 | azathoth99 | gunk |
| 09:05.39 | azathoth99 | on archlinux I jsut modify .xinirc |
| 09:05.39 | ketsa | thanks all. |
| 09:05.42 | azathoth99 | exec icewm |
| 09:05.44 | azathoth99 | startx |
| 09:05.46 | phaer | ketsa: I'm pretty sure that there's still a gui for configuration. Maybe in some -extra package? |
| 09:05.48 | azathoth99 | hmmmm |
| 09:05.58 | azathoth99 | dotn use gdm |
| 09:06.00 | wols_ | !ops please come back and show azathoth99 how to behave |
| 09:06.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: wols_ complains about: please come back and show azathoth99 how to behave |
| 09:06.28 | ketsa | i know i ca do it in text mode, but whats the point ? i have a window manager AND a desktop manager. |
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| 09:14.01 | azathoth99 | www.cat-v.org |
| 09:14.06 | azathoth99 | check it out |
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| 09:27.14 | TTG | i want to install debian on a raid0 2x200 hdd with windows already installed, i used the expert setup, with dmraid=true,now when i choose the partition here to install debian, i have ...Volume0 (stripe) 400 GB Linux, that contains all the partitions, and I have all those partitions as separate volumes. what partition i choose for install and swap? |
| 09:27.50 | TTG | I followed a guide on debian website |
| 09:29.27 | azathoth99 | is the raid 0 already setup? |
| 09:29.29 | azathoth99 | hardware? |
| 09:29.41 | azathoth99 | if windows is on one of the disks ur kinda hosed u know |
| 09:30.30 | wols_ | TTG: please ignore azathoth99, he's just here for trolling and spamming. ops are still asleep or such |
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| 09:31.53 | TTG | when i run a debian live cd,I cannot see any parition, I can see a paritioned raid, and a complete 200 GB raid volume, even that is partitioned too |
| 09:33.51 | TTG | i usually don't work with raid, so i usually don;t have problems with debian and grub install,like now |
| 09:34.05 | azathoth99 | no im actally a lover of free software, and know about 8 operatating ssytems |
| 09:34.31 | azathoth99 | I am decent at tcl bash xen vmware san cherokee apache tomcat nginx |
| 09:34.49 | azathoth99 | well is it hardware raid |
| 09:34.50 | azathoth99 | ? |
| 09:34.57 | ajikeshi_ | azathoth99, emacs would double as text editor and OS :D |
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| 09:35.28 | depressed | hey we like this www.62bo.com |
| 09:35.32 | TTG | tell me how can i find? it's a sony vaio laptop |
| 09:35.42 | azathoth99 | I like vi |
| 09:35.46 | azathoth99 | lol |
| 09:35.47 | azathoth99 | I do use ed |
| 09:35.54 | azathoth99 | cuz ed works no matter what |
| 09:35.58 | wols_ | TTG: you don't have hardware raid. you use at most intel fakeraid |
| 09:36.16 | wols_ | !ops depressed spam |
| 09:36.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: wols_ complains about: depressed spam |
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| 09:36.58 | TTG | so what can i do? |
| 09:37.05 | depressed | what? |
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| 09:38.21 | azathoth99 | well I would get an old pc and do your debian on that |
| 09:38.30 | azathoth99 | forget the dual bot stuff |
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| 09:39.05 | wols_ | TTG: how big is your windows partition? |
| 09:39.16 | TTG | 85 GB |
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| 09:40.48 | wols_ | do you see anything that is that 85GB size? |
| 09:40.49 | watsup | hey we like this www.62bo.com |
| 09:41.16 | azathoth99 | if you have 200g mirrroed hw raid then use the non 85G space |
| 09:41.27 | azathoth99 | but I reccomend getting lil pc and usign debian on that |
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| 09:41.46 | TTG | at install time, i selected expert text, tab, and added dmraid=true |
| 09:41.52 | TTG | so now i can see all partitions |
| 09:42.04 | TTG | as part of a volume of 400 GB |
| 09:42.40 | TTG | and same partitions as volumes with one partition each\ |
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| 09:43.47 | TTG | near Volume0, of 400 GB, is (stripe) written |
| 09:43.55 | wols_ | TTG: do you see anything that is that 85GB size? |
| 09:44.21 | TTG | yes |
| 09:44.28 | TTG | is see the boot partition |
| 09:44.39 | TTG | all the partition that are ntfs |
| 09:44.52 | TTG | the one that i made it ext3 |
| 09:44.58 | TTG | and the swap parition |
| 09:45.08 | wols_ | ok. then boot windows, create another partition of the desired size, reboot debian and when you see that new partition you just made, install debian in there. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid should be helpful too. but remember: do have backups |
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| 09:45.34 | wols_ | so if you see all partitions you need what is the problem? |
| 09:45.36 | TTG | i did that, i have the volumes |
| 09:45.48 | TTG | which one i select for install |
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| 09:46.29 | TTG | when i selected the parition of 400 GB volume0 |
| 09:46.39 | TTG | i had an error |
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| 09:47.52 | azathoth99 | did you fdisk it? |
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| 09:48.01 | azathoth99 | you know you better b careful |
| 09:48.08 | azathoth99 | or end up not being able to boot windows |
| 09:48.14 | TTG | no, i used acronis from windows |
| 09:48.16 | TTG | to format it |
| 09:49.07 | TTG | and now i have an error"the attepnt to mount a file system with typ ext3 in serial ata raid isw_... at / failed" |
| 09:49.22 | azathoth99 | oow wow |
| 09:49.24 | azathoth99 | ok |
| 09:49.27 | azathoth99 | good luck with that |
| 09:49.41 | azathoth99 | I heard of using partition magic |
| 09:49.43 | azathoth99 | ..... |
| 09:49.50 | azathoth99 | to shrink windows and free up space |
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| 09:49.59 | azathoth99 | then fdisk to amke linux partition |
| 09:50.00 | azathoth99 | ..... |
| 09:50.11 | TTG | so i shoud fdisk that parition |
| 09:50.14 | azathoth99 | but i forget the setup needed to allow windows or linux to boot |
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| 09:50.23 | azathoth99 | the boot laoder for windows is unknown to me |
| 09:50.47 | azathoth99 | you had beter follow some well established recipie from google etc |
| 09:50.54 | azathoth99 | or might end up with unbootable box |
| 09:51.04 | azathoth99 | again I reccomend use debian on a pc |
| 09:51.10 | azathoth99 | leave windows alone |
| 09:51.25 | wols_ | TTG: have you formatted it and installed debian on that partition? I wouldn't trust acronis to properly create a ext3 filesystem |
| 09:51.27 | utrrrongeeb | Is kernel 2.6.39-2 in Sid the same as kernel 2.6.39.1? |
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| 09:52.07 | TTG | i just formatted it, now i'm at the point where i install debian |
| 09:52.23 | TTG | if i install without dmraid, i can see the paritions, i can install |
| 09:52.30 | TTG | but grub won't install\ |
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| 09:54.10 | TTG | and now i followed the guid from wols_ link for sata raid |
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| 09:55.37 | owen1 | can someone hit my wiki and tell me if he can see it? http://76.172.9.207:3000/ |
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| 09:56.34 | azathoth99 | Machinima - Tech Team |
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| 09:56.41 | owen1 | azathoth99: thanks! |
| 09:56.57 | azathoth99 | hopes no virus on me now |
| 09:57.08 | owen1 | no worries. |
| 09:57.19 | owen1 | i love this wiki - gollum |
| 09:58.33 | azathoth99 | I love shemale porn |
| 09:59.14 | sickgut | there is a really nice worms game clone in the debian repo |
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| 09:59.23 | sickgut | 150mb but its sweet |
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| 10:03.58 | azathoth99 | hey did baldurs gate ever work on linux? |
| 10:04.03 | azathoth99 | I love this game |
| 10:04.15 | azathoth99 | I can only imagine the fun if one could mod the levels |
| 10:04.19 | azathoth99 | or make new ones |
| 10:04.22 | azathoth99 | woooooooweee |
| 10:04.31 | azathoth99 | any basic gui D&D kinda games? |
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| 10:16.43 | TTG | ok, i have enabled raid manager in bios, but i suppose i lose everything if i reset disks to not-raid |
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| 10:23.04 | rudi_s | azathoth99: I'm not sure, but wine should work. |
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| 10:24.45 | swilson06 | TTG: that's how hw raid works :) |
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| 10:25.34 | wols_ | swilson06: he doesn't have hardware raid |
| 10:26.14 | swilson06 | azathoth99: wine might work. there also used to be a company that produced winex and cedega (sp?). i think it was called transgaming or something like that |
| 10:26.46 | swilson06 | moot now :) |
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| 10:29.06 | ebzzry_ | How can I determine what uninstalled package does a program belong to? |
| 10:29.08 | swilson06 | heh, that said, i don't know why anyone would do any serious gaming on a *nix box. it was never really meant for that |
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| 10:30.01 | swilson06 | ebzzy_: there's not really a log for that |
| 10:30.10 | jelly-home | swilson06: because rebooting is an annoyance! |
| 10:30.47 | swilson06 | the best you can do is probably go through /var/cache/apt and list the files in all of the packages and grep for it |
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| 10:31.53 | swilson06 | jelly-home: true. i'm having that trouble with my mac - it wants to have updates and has some memory leaks, but i don't want to reboot it |
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| 10:32.32 | swilson06 | good god: 6:31 up 148 days <- gotta be a record for a macbook |
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| 10:34.41 | atan | When all I see is my wallpaper is there a way to change programs I added to the System Startup thing? |
| 10:35.07 | swilson06 | jelly-home: though, my only issue with rebooting is loosing open files. i don't really keep files open on a gaming machine (though i keep converting gaming machines to servers) |
| 10:35.34 | swilson06 | atan: you don't have a menu bar? |
| 10:35.42 | atan | Nope. Just wallpaper. |
| 10:35.50 | atan | ..and a mouse. |
| 10:35.58 | atan | But there's no right clicking happening. |
| 10:36.13 | utrrrongeeb | atan: Does Alt-F2 work? Are you using GDM? |
| 10:36.15 | swilson06 | a pointer or X? |
| 10:36.48 | utrrrongeeb | atan: What window manager [is missing]? |
| 10:36.50 | swilson06 | ^^ is on a better path than i.. |
| 10:36.52 | atan | alt + f2 doesn't show anything. Not sure about GDM, I installed with Gnome and added compiz --replace to my startup then rebooted. |
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| 10:37.10 | atan | swilson06, it's a mouse pointer |
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| 10:37.23 | atan | Now I have nothing ^_^ my bad |
| 10:37.41 | swilson06 | so you've got some window manager loaded. did it ever work? |
| 10:37.46 | atan | Sure did. |
| 10:37.50 | utrrrongeeb | atan: Do you log in at a graphical screen? |
| 10:37.54 | atan | Then I added compiz --replace to my startup and rebooted. |
| 10:37.55 | swilson06 | you like the command line? |
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| 10:38.07 | atan | utrrrongeeb, yes I did. Clicked my name entered my password :) |
| 10:38.51 | utrrrongeeb | atan: Chances are that's GDM. |
| 10:39.00 | atan | ctrl + alt + f2 gives me a console |
| 10:39.21 | utrrrongeeb | atan: Do you have anything important in your desktop settings, or is it a recent install? |
| 10:39.30 | swilson06 | you can be restored in a few minutes if you don't mind moving your $HOME, recreating it, copy /etc/skel, chown, restart your x server |
| 10:39.50 | swilson06 | he can have them back... just slowly |
| 10:40.04 | atan | Nothing of value on there yet :-) |
| 10:40.14 | atan | I was playing around with compiz to get my window settings how I wanted them |
| 10:40.22 | atan | I'm sure I went wrong when I added an item to startup. |
| 10:40.27 | atan | Can I remove it and try to restart again? |
| 10:40.30 | swilson06 | you logged in as root? |
| 10:40.35 | atan | I can su to root. |
| 10:40.48 | swilson06 | 'su -' then |
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| 10:41.03 | swilson06 | what's your username? |
| 10:41.17 | atan | peter |
| 10:41.28 | swilson06 | mv /home/peter /home/peter.old |
| 10:41.30 | atan | deluser peter, adduser peter? |
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| 10:42.01 | swilson06 | ... i told you, i like to be able to restore stuff if i need to, so i don't delete |
| 10:42.04 | swilson06 | disks are cheap |
| 10:42.39 | atan | Okay so I moved the home folder, now what? :-) |
| 10:42.41 | swilson06 | hummm, let me figure out where skel is kept now.... maybe default... a sec |
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| 10:43.37 | atan | Oh and I have a ton of errors on the screen like [613.2323232] hub 5-0:1.0 cannot disable port 3 |
| 10:43.44 | wols_ | swilson06: /etc/skel/ |
| 10:43.46 | atan | Is there a way to hide those from me? It's a total pain. |
| 10:43.48 | swilson06 | ok, anyone know where debian puts the skel folder now? |
| 10:43.53 | swilson06 | mine is empty.... |
| 10:44.02 | utrrrongeeb | ls -a /etc/skel |
| 10:44.07 | wols_ | swilson06: it's .dot files |
| 10:44.13 | swilson06 | oh, duh |
| 10:44.16 | babilen | dotdot :) |
| 10:44.20 | swilson06 | fuck i should sleep |
| 10:44.31 | swilson06 | ok, so, |
| 10:44.33 | swilson06 | mkdir /home/peter |
| 10:44.44 | swilson06 | cp /etc/skel /home/peter |
| 10:45.44 | swilson06 | chown -R user.peter (correct me?) |
| 10:45.54 | wols_ | swilson06: what is that supposed to do? |
| 10:46.20 | swilson06 | chown -R user.peter /home/peter |
| 10:46.25 | swilson06 | ^^ ? |
| 10:46.30 | wols_ | no. your copying of those files from skel |
| 10:47.04 | swilson06 | yeah, and root copied them, so, need to change ownership |
| 10:47.31 | wols_ | swilson06: again: what problem are you actually trying to solve? |
| 10:47.54 | atan | swilson06, I think the problem is that stupid startup item I added.. it's not in the user's home dir is it? |
| 10:48.26 | swilson06 | i think it's a config in your home dir |
| 10:49.06 | wols_ | swilson06: next time, tell people to create another user and use _that_ to login. not to mv their ~ and other stuff which makes them not able to get their files back easily. not to mention all the configurations in ~ |
| 10:49.09 | swilson06 | since you were in x and you were logged in as you, you shouldn't have messed up anything unless you removed some packages |
| 10:49.25 | wols_ | atan: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 10:49.45 | atan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.49 | swilson06 | well, you can start over: mv /home/peter.old /home/peter |
| 10:49.57 | atan | They take up the whole screen and I can't read anything :-) |
| 10:49.58 | wols_ | swilson06: removing packages doesn't files in home directories |
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| 10:50.09 | atan | The errors were there before and during these changes I'm making. |
| 10:50.13 | wols_ | atan: in tty1? |
| 10:50.47 | atan | I suppose. When I login as root locally I see them on the screen. One every second or so, [ ##.######] usb 2-3: device not accepting address 0, error -71 |
| 10:51.24 | swilson06 | ^^ shouldn't have anything to do with the desktop thing though |
| 10:52.54 | atan | No, not at all. I just find it hard to read the screen while it's going nutty :-) |
| 10:53.18 | wols_ | atan: go to tty2 |
| 10:53.19 | atan | I'll get back in as root and add a new user, see what happens for me :-) |
| 10:53.30 | atan | wols_, how do I do that? :-) |
| 10:53.39 | wols_ | ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 10:54.12 | atan | Ahh, I found the device that caused the pain. Odd bluetooth keyboard from china was charging off the USB port. Anyway, that error is gone now that I unplugged it. |
| 10:54.44 | atan | Let me check out that error file :-) |
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| 10:55.31 | swilson06 | adduser <name> or useradd <name> - personal preference |
| 10:55.40 | benoitldr | hi |
| 10:55.52 | atan | Isn't one to add a user to a group and the other is to add a user, swilson06? |
| 10:56.00 | benoitldr | do anybody know a method to reduce the hight of tab in eclipse ? |
| 10:56.26 | benoitldr | because i reduce the size of policy of system but the tab are too high |
| 10:56.28 | atan | wols_, http://pastebin.com/5unF6tGH |
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| 10:56.39 | atan | Whoops, blank. |
| 10:56.40 | swilson06 | no, iirc, one uses skel and the other doesn't |
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| 10:57.20 | atan | Anyway, it says Window manager warning: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporily unavailable_ on display ':0' |
| 10:57.27 | swilson06 | i think there are some other policy things that adduser can do, but no matter |
| 10:57.39 | swilson06 | ^^ is test material, not much else :) |
| 10:58.12 | babilen | swilson06: The choice between "adduser" and "useradd" is not so much a matter of personal preference, but quite different in its results. One typically wants to use adduser in order to make sure that the home directory is setup among other things. |
| 10:59.11 | swilson06 | habilen: like i said, preference :) |
| 11:01.18 | swilson06 | atan: google that thing - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1032627 <- is just the first result |
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| 11:05.54 | atan | swilson06, that thread doesn't detail how the problem was resolved though =\ |
| 11:08.18 | bs0d | Good day everybody. What are those files named groups- passwd- shadow- in /etc ? They have - in the end of the name, I wonder if making a chroot jail, are those files needed in there? What are they for? |
| 11:08.18 | swilson06 | atan: didn't say it did, i said you should probably get some results by google'ing that whole string. |
| 11:08.18 | swilson06 | there were other threads on that same forum and some other forums that came up that looked promising. i assume someone came up with an answer |
| 11:08.18 | bs0d | atan: Which problem have you got? |
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| 11:08.18 | atan | bs0d, many! lol. I just apt-got installed gdm thinking I might have messed it up. |
| 11:08.21 | atan | When I login as a user I just see a blank screen. |
| 11:08.27 | atan | On top of it all I was trying to use compiz. |
| 11:08.48 | swilson06 | bs0d: they are backups when the files get updated |
| 11:09.05 | swilson06 | (piss poor schema, but....) |
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| 11:10.09 | atan | Maybe this calls for a reinstall, blarg. |
| 11:10.17 | atan | Quicker than spending all morning hunting down the problem :-) |
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| 11:12.43 | swilson06 | atan: depends on your goals, mindset, and standards |
| 11:13.33 | swilson06 | if you don't have much on the box.... if you don't care to figure out how you messed up.... if you like burning stuff... |
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| 11:15.15 | atan | Well I just installed it an hour ago, then went messing around with some funky window thing (compiz) I guess, really, what did I expect? |
| 11:15.34 | swilson06 | yep, reinstall :) |
| 11:15.54 | swilson06 | well, the best way to learn is to mess stuff up |
| 11:16.34 | atan | I really hope I can get it going this time without breaking it :| |
| 11:16.53 | swilson06 | for instance, on a slackware 2.x or 3 box, i deleted the /etc directory - and i didn't have physical access to it. |
| 11:17.07 | swilson06 | do you have any idea how much i learned over that next day? |
| 11:17.36 | atan | lol :-) well if it's anything like my other box that's all my custom configs... YUCKY! |
| 11:17.40 | Bushmills | atan: while you're still experimenting, start compiz from an xterm |
| 11:17.43 | atan | Would kill someone if they messed that up. |
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| 11:18.27 | atan | Bushmills, installed is already going no looking back now :D |
| 11:18.50 | swilson06 | well, back then there was no pam, udev, hal, and tons of other stuff you take for granted |
| 11:19.08 | Bushmills | needs to be installed anyway. that relates to running compiz. |
| 11:19.59 | bs0d | Google does not know about /etc/groups- and /etc/shadow- either ... are those files ok or they should not exist in Debian? I am in doubt now |
| 11:19.59 | Bushmills | but there were carriages, pulled by horses |
| 11:20.39 | swilson06 | bs0d: already told you, they're backups |
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| 11:21.06 | bs0d | swilson06: Oh, I did not see it. Thanks for the answer |
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| 11:21.39 | swilson06 | heh, yeah, but it wasn't as complicated. for instance - /etc/networking, screw that, it was all /etc/inittab |
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| 11:37.08 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 11:37.29 | lenswipe | one of my friends is having issues getting debian to install to his new PC |
| 11:37.38 | lenswipe | im recommending kumto - good idea? |
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| 11:39.34 | babilen | sure, worth a try if the problem is indeed due to the kernel version. |
| 11:40.04 | lenswipe | well hes getting a message saying that it cant find his DHCP server and to enter an IP manually |
| 11:40.13 | lenswipe | when he enters an IP manually it still fails |
| 11:40.23 | lenswipe | which sounds like an unrecognised ethernet card to me |
| 11:40.28 | lenswipe | dont know what anyone else thinks |
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| 11:41.01 | gnarface | isn't there a way to check? |
| 11:41.07 | babilen | might also be due to missing firmware for the NIC -- the firmware images (/msg dpkg firmware images) might be worth a try. But you can also provide firmware during the installation as detailed in the installation guide (/msg dpkg installer firmware) |
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| 11:43.31 | lenswipe | babilen ok thanks, ill get him to try kmuto and then try providing firmware if that doesnt work |
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| 12:03.45 | spectre | hey all |
| 12:03.54 | spectre | i just updated from squeeze to testing |
| 12:04.01 | spectre | and now instead of my wireless meter |
| 12:04.09 | spectre | that shows the connection + signal level |
| 12:04.19 | spectre | in it's place i have a "no entry" sign |
| 12:04.28 | spectre | is there a way of getting the signal level meter thing back ? |
| 12:04.55 | joe6 | i installed some packages from unstable using "apt-get -t unstable ..", as I needed some drivers. Things are working fine, now. and I do not want to break anything by upgrading with unstable packages. I would rather get the required updates and then stick with what I have until those pacakages get to testing. |
| 12:05.08 | joe6 | I am using aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 12:05.19 | joe6 | is there a better way of managing such packages? |
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| 12:07.35 | azathoth99 | can debina please use version # |
| 12:07.44 | azathoth99 | the word mapping to verison is insanely hard to remember |
| 12:07.47 | azathoth99 | jsut say 6 |
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| 12:07.55 | acathur | joe6: perhaps this would help: /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 12:10.23 | ironm | good morning - how can I check if xen-pciback has been compiled into "2.6.32-5-xen-amd64" kernel? "modprobe -l | grep -i pciback" gives me an empty output, however find / -name "*pciback*" gives the following output - http://paste.debian.net/119519/ with xen_pciback drivers |
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| 12:11.58 | babilen | joe6: Are you using testing? You might get better help in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- If you run "aptitude -t sid install PKG" and have the default release set to wheezy (/msg dpkg default release) only those packages that are needed to perform the requested action will be upgraded. |
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| 12:15.54 | joe6 | babilen, thanks |
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| 12:17.55 | amero | quick question, why there are so many iso version here? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 12:18.17 | azathoth99 | cuz the reptiles wish to confuse the mammals |
| 12:18.23 | azathoth99 | duh |
| 12:18.33 | spectre | haha |
| 12:18.39 | spectre | good answer |
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| 12:18.56 | amero | haha |
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| 12:19.28 | azathoth99 | reptiles alwasy there, just outa sight |
| 12:19.34 | joltcan | amero: because you are looking at the CD archives, and it takes a bunch of CD's if you want them all |
| 12:19.35 | azathoth99 | watching |
| 12:19.44 | babilen | amero: Those isos in their entirety contain all packages in Debian main ... You typically don't need all of them if all you want is installing Debian on a box with internet connection. Ask dpkg, our bot, about <netinstall> <firmware images> <various cd1> -- e.g. "/msg dpkg netinstall" |
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| 12:19.56 | joltcan | amero: you just need the first one if you want to boot, then you can run the rest from the internet, or download the DVD's instead? |
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| 12:21.30 | amero | hmm ok i'll just grab that netinstall img then |
| 12:22.48 | joltcan | amero: yes, but I would rather recommend the netboot, set up a tftp, configure your dhcpserver and never ever download a cd and burn etc |
| 12:22.52 | joltcan | amero: netboot ftw! |
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| 12:24.22 | babilen | joltcan: That is quite a lot of work if you just want to install a single box and don't have the infrastructure in place yet. You might even have to buy a different machine and all the network hardware to get this going ;) |
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| 12:26.26 | joltcan | babilen: Most people dont know about that the possibility exist in the first place. And once you have set it up it rocks. So that is why I told him about it |
| 12:26.29 | Bushmills | dnsmasq can be helpful, combining tftp server, dhcp server - next to dns proxy - allowing a single-package netboot configuration |
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| 12:27.01 | babilen | joltcan: It definitely rocks yeah :) |
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| 12:28.04 | Bushmills | especially useful if it runs on a home/wlan router, using that device to net boot from |
| 12:29.03 | atan | On Windows you might edit your hosts file to prevent programs from getting to a website, say you set playboy.c to 127.0.0.1. Can you do the same within Wine so your programs cannot access X domains? |
| 12:29.38 | Bushmills | atan: linux has /etc/hosts |
| 12:29.47 | joltcan | atan: I would assume that file is in the wine directoy as well, or do as Bushmills said |
| 12:29.53 | babilen | atan: The host file is /etc/hosts on UNIX system (inspired the windows developers apparently) |
| 12:30.10 | babilen | ah, wine .. nvm, disregard that :) |
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| 12:30.16 | atan | Okay I'll check that out and see where it gets me. I was not sure if that hosts file would have any affect on it. |
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| 13:06.42 | avernos | can someone give me a hand with a bcm wifi card? |
| 13:06.49 | avernos | i've search all around with no luck |
| 13:07.14 | jordanm | !bcm |
| 13:07.14 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
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| 13:07.45 | avernos | i've tried those drivers too... |
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| 13:08.35 | avernos | im not sure if is a kernel bug |
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| 13:12.39 | patrik_debian | avernos:have you tried to check ouptup of dmesg after you loaded the correct module for your wifi card? I might help you find out what is going on behing the scene. |
| 13:13.21 | patrik_debian | avernos: It might help ... |
| 13:13.25 | patrik_debian | avernos: :) |
| 13:13.28 | avernos | did |
| 13:13.44 | avernos | driver seems to be ok |
| 13:13.50 | avernos | the problem is activating the card |
| 13:13.54 | avernos | its like not active |
| 13:14.07 | avernos | rfkill shows its not blocked |
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| 13:16.14 | avernos | with fedora i've managed to get the killswitch to work, but it didnt really turn on the wireless card |
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| 13:18.57 | avernos | patrik_debian, the last lead i got is the last comment on this page https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/668234 |
| 13:19.11 | avernos | but i cant understand |
| 13:19.32 | patrik_debian | avernos: i am going to check it right now. |
| 13:19.39 | avernos | tvm |
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| 13:30.47 | Famic | what is needed in iptables to let outgoing connections pass through ? I have ip_conntrack_ftp and RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT but I can't connect |
| 13:30.59 | Famic | whole rules are here http://paste.ly/80qK |
| 13:31.19 | Famic | if I open all output tcp, I can connect |
| 13:32.01 | Famic | but I'd rather be more restrictive. ip_conntrack_ftp is supposed to handle that afaik |
| 13:33.12 | patrik_debian | avernos: well, I have no idea to be honest with you. Luckily i have not had to deal with any broadcom wifi card yet, |
| 13:33.20 | patrik_debian | avernos: Im sorry for that. |
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| 13:33.45 | avernos | lol, indeed, thanks anyway |
| 13:34.05 | avernos | its not just the wifi card, its more like lenovo computers |
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| 13:36.41 | Famic | anyone who can give me a hint ? |
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| 13:42.05 | babilen | Famic: #netfilter might be a better channel |
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| 13:42.19 | Famic | babilen: I'll try there, thanks |
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| 13:43.19 | babilen | avernos: It would help to get some actual output and errors -- "lspci -nn|grep -i network" + "modprobe -r $MODULE_YOU_USE ; modprobe $MODULE_YOU_USE ; dmesg | tail -n 20" â http://paste.debian.net please :) |
| 13:43.57 | babilen | avernos: But broadcom chipsets are often a PITA, but AFAIR we got most of them working :) |
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| 13:46.27 | avernos | babilen, i just installed fedora to work on it ( best results i got so far where on fedora ) should i keep going or back to debian ? |
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| 13:47.29 | babilen | avernos: Well, I guess you can provide the output from Fedora as well -- note that we don't support Fedora -- paste output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network -A2" too |
| 13:48.07 | avernos | ok |
| 13:48.11 | babilen | avernos: I can tell you what you need to do to get your wifi adaptor running in that case. Your decision if you want to come back to Debian or venture into Fedora land :) |
| 13:49.28 | babilen | A bunch of broadcom adaptors also need firmware (from the firmware-broadcom package), which might be one reason why it does not work for you. But lets see the output first. |
| 13:49.58 | babilen | actually the package is not firmware-broadcom (why do I invent package names, eh?) |
| 13:50.13 | avernos | uhm.... im hoping to understand how to do it to be able to do it afterwards on debian or fedora |
| 13:50.20 | aguitel | is there anyway to reinstall base system ? |
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| 13:50.40 | babilen | aguitel: What do you hope to achieve by that? |
| 13:50.47 | avernos | if anyhow fedora supose a problem, i will go back to debian |
| 13:51.22 | aguitel | babilen, coz i installed with cd and some errors occours |
| 13:51.57 | avernos | firmware isnt the driver or part of the driver? from what i understand from firmware is stored on the card itself, not writtable by OS |
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| 13:52.26 | babilen | aguitel: Well, you can reinstall everything with "aptitude reinstall ~i" and the base system with "aptitude reinstall ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" |
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| 13:52.49 | aguitel | babilen, thanks |
| 13:52.53 | babilen | avernos: No, firmware is not stored in the card itself but has to be provided seperately |
| 13:53.01 | babilen | !tell avernos about firmware |
| 13:54.57 | babilen | aguitel: But what is this error you get? You can, naturally, also just reinstall completely ... (i.e. perform a new installation) |
| 13:55.17 | avernos | interesting. but very surprised that the eprom memory of a wifi card is writable.. shouldnt be the firmware the same for any OS? i guess its good for updates :S |
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| 13:56.15 | aguitel | babilen, i don't remember the error ,i click cancel to continue the installation and it finish i think without problem |
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| 13:56.17 | babilen | avernos: The kernel modules need firmware from userspace .. |
| 13:56.24 | avernos | ok |
| 13:56.31 | babilen | aguitel: Not much we can do then |
| 13:56.43 | aguitel | babilen, yes i know |
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| 14:00.40 | Guest63811 | Is there any problems using btrfs on fresh install? |
| 14:00.45 | babilen | avernos: are you going to paste that? (if not, i'll do something else) |
| 14:00.52 | babilen | !btrfs |
| 14:00.52 | dpkg | Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux, aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in mainline at Linux 2.6.29, utilities are packaged in btrfs-tools. Btrfs is currently not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review. http://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:01.02 | aguitel | babilen, the kernel belongs to the system base ? |
| 14:01.12 | avernos | babilen, working on it |
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| 14:01.55 | Guest63811 | I tried in mint debian but it came ro |
| 14:02.02 | babilen | aguitel: One might argue that it does, but it will not be matched by the search params above |
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| 14:02.22 | babilen | Guest63811: don't use it -- it is *not* ready yet |
| 14:02.23 | Guest63811 | Trying testing now |
| 14:03.04 | Guest63811 | Really? Fedra peeps are moving fast |
| 14:03.26 | babilen | Fedora uses btrfs as default filesystem? |
| 14:03.36 | Guest63811 | Why am i guest... Identify saig ok |
| 14:03.55 | Guest63811 | Not yet in 16 |
| 14:04.16 | Guest63811 | Or wever is next |
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| 14:05.20 | babilen | Yeah, I would have been mildly surprised and amused if they did. Regardless of Fedora: Don't use btrfs yet (ext3/ext4/jfs are sensible choices) |
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| 14:05.38 | luxor | good afternoon |
| 14:05.52 | Guest63811 | ill go for ext4 then, thx |
| 14:05.57 | superstraw | good morning |
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| 14:06.37 | avernos | babilen, paste.debian.net/119538/ |
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| 14:07.16 | babilen | ,pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 14:07.17 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 14:07.29 | babilen | !bcm4313 |
| 14:07.29 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727, incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by wlc_hybrid) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. |
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| 14:08.58 | babilen | avernos: You want to use the brcm80211 module for that card -- I would also recommend to use a newer kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) -- Note that you do need firmware for that. Please read "/msg dpkg brcm80211" and http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 14:09.07 | antivirtel | Hi! http://paste2.org/p/1464348 ... the baned IP 84.x.y.z can still access the server... but if I place a DROP all rule to INPUT, it works... - what may cause the problem? |
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| 14:09.24 | avernos | i tried brcm80211 on debian and froze everything. had to go back with failsafe and blacklisted. anyhow, should i blacklist b43 ? |
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| 14:10.27 | babilen | avernos: Please follow the instructions on the wiki ... I would also upgrade the kernel, but that is absolutely necessary. There is also no need to blacklist b43 AFAICT |
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| 14:13.22 | avernos | babilen, thanks.. im going to do that all over again. hopefully was the firmware. call you back if i got any problem :P |
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| 14:22.36 | chomwitt | is there a way to create an ubuntu live-usb from within squeeze ? |
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| 14:27.25 | RichiH | chomwitt: most likely, but #ubuntu knows how, not us |
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| 14:30.47 | ujjain | How do I reconfigure redmine package, SQL database? I thought it would installl MySQL so I did not do it. |
| 14:31.21 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 14:31.56 | ujjain | thanks |
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| 14:35.30 | ujjain | I dont understand the wizards' question :( |
| 14:35.55 | abrotman | would you like to take the golden key? |
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| 14:36.42 | ujjain | hmm, got it now :) |
| 14:36.44 | ujjain | Yes thanks :D |
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| 14:37.17 | ujjain | apt-get is pretty much better than yum btw ^^ |
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| 14:37.46 | abrotman | aptitude? |
| 14:39.05 | patrik_debian | Hi, I would like to ask if there is any possibility how to set up PATH to be available either for in terminal and fluxbox menu. Thank you. |
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| 14:40.45 | ujjain | abrotman: right. |
| 14:41.12 | patrik_debian | I can run any applications from $HOME/bin thanks to $HOME/.profile and thus i do not have to set up $HOME/bin in $HOME/.bashrc, but it is for some reason unavailable for window manager, in my case fluxbox. |
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| 14:42.35 | abrotman | patrik_debian: why not edit your profile? |
| 14:43.08 | patrik_debian | abrotman: what do you mean by that ? |
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| 14:44.33 | chomwitt | RichiH: ok. thanks |
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| 14:53.43 | patrik_debian | abrotman: still have no idea what you mean by editing my profile :) |
| 14:54.56 | abrotman | why cant you edit your .profile to have the opath you want? |
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| 14:57.56 | patrik_debian | abrotman: As I have said, if I type echo $PATH in terminal, it includes $HOME/bin. If I set up menu item to print $PATH out, it doesnt include $HOME/bin. Thus I can run any application from terminal, but I can not run the same application from fluxbox menu. |
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| 14:59.12 | rizzeh | thank you patrik_debian, i was just about to ask how to add paths question |
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| 15:01.01 | abrotman | patrik_debian: and you cant do that globally or in your xsession? full path? |
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| 15:01.26 | patrik_debian | abrotman: If you check $HOME/.profile, there is a code, which says if $HOME/bin exists, it is included to PATH automatically. It really works, therefore I do not know what I should do. |
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| 15:04.25 | patrik_debian | abrotman: I dont want to edit any /etc file and hardcode my $HOME/bin in it. There must be an easier way how to do that. I dont want to use absollute paths to binaries, i dont think it is necessary. |
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| 15:04.43 | DimitryKakadu | Hallo world! Can you explain me how to debug code from libX11 library, please? |
| 15:04.52 | abrotman | i asked about your .xsession |
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| 15:05.40 | abrotman | patrik_debian: and why does it have to be your explicit home, use $HOME/bin ? |
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| 15:05.49 | patrik_debian | abrotman: I dont have any .xsession file in my home folder. |
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| 15:06.45 | patrik_debian | abrotman: well, that is a good point. Any user could you his $HOME/bin and mine would not be available. |
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| 15:07.25 | abrotman | solution found? |
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| 15:09.11 | patrik_debian | abrotman: well, as iam thinking about that, it is a good solution. So all I have to do is to edit /etc/profile and to $HOME/bin to PATH for user. Is that what you mean ? |
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| 15:09.57 | patrik_debian | abrotman: and add $HOME/bin to the variable PATH for user. Now it is correctly written. |
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| 15:10.45 | abrotman | patrik_debian: try it and see |
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| 15:11.35 | patrik_debian | abrotman: i'll be back and let you know. Thank you very much indeed. |
| 15:13.59 | chomwitt | a usb-stick of mine used in 2.6.32 (in debian6) is giving me speeds at 1MB/s (USB 1). can it be the stick's 'fault' or kernels fault? how can i tell? |
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| 15:18.45 | useless_eater | chomwitt: hmm is the hardware old? through a hub? I doubt its linux' fault :) |
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| 15:19.43 | chomwitt | useless_eater: does it matter if the transfer involves thousand of very small files? |
| 15:20.08 | useless_eater | that would be slower yes :) |
| 15:20.36 | antivirtel | hi! fail2ban ban on lenny has no effect, who can help me? |
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| 15:24.19 | bs0d | Does anybody have xen running on a 64-bit system? |
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| 15:25.10 | Wyzard | I do |
| 15:25.15 | chomwitt | useless_eater: i've done one more test. Writing to my usb stick is 11MB/s Reading is 1 MB/s ! |
| 15:25.39 | lapsusbrutus | chomwitt: wow thats strange |
| 15:26.27 | lapsusbrutus | what if you tar up all the files to one file? |
| 15:27.16 | bs0d | Wyzard: I have found the debian xen-manual, it sais to install xen-linux-system, but looking in synaptic I have found xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd, pls correct me if I am mistaken, but I think the latter package suit better for x86-64 systems |
| 15:27.22 | chomwitt | lapsusbrutus: the latest test of reading from it involdec two files (4+12)MB |
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| 15:27.40 | bs0d | Wyzard: I think the recommended xen-linux-system is for x86 systems, not x86_64 |
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| 15:28.41 | Wyzard | bs0d: xen-linux-system is a virtual package name, provided by xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 |
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| 15:29.39 | Wyzard | bs0d: If you're running 32-bit Debian, there's probably also a xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-686 (or some similar name) that also provides the xen-linux-system virtual package, so if you just ask to install the virtual package, apt might choose the "wrong" implementation |
| 15:29.58 | Wyzard | bs0d: but on 64-bit Debian, xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 is the *only* package that provides xen-linux-system |
| 15:30.51 | bs0d | Wyzard: I have a 64-bit Debian, so I should choose xen-linux-system virtual package, and it will be the one I need, right? |
| 15:31.07 | lapsusbrutus | chomwitt: hmm no idea what can be wrong then.. Id try with similar HW to see if same thing happens I think. |
| 15:31.19 | Wyzard | When you choose the virtual package, apt will actually choose the first real package it finds which "Provides:" that virtual package name |
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| 15:31.29 | Wyzard | which should be xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 |
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| 15:31.43 | chomwitt | lapsusbrutus: thanks. i'll do that. |
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| 15:34.08 | lapsusbrutus | chomwitt: good luck :) |
| 15:34.10 | patrik_debian | abrotman: Hi, i am back. It didnt help to edit /etc/profile by adding $HOME/bin to PATH for regular user and because $HOME/.profile contains the same code for every user, i think, adding $HOME/bin to /etc/profile is doing one thing twice. But I can be wrong, it would be nothing unussual. :) |
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| 15:38.47 | bs0d | Wyzard: hmm, but xen-linux-system is not present at all, I see 2 metapackages instead in synaptic: xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd and xen-linux-system-2.6.32-5-xen. As far as I understand the difference is in kernel versions only, but anyway, to be sure I am not going to go something wrong, please tell me which one should I choose among them? |
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| 15:39.35 | jkyle | I just read the history of aptitutde and apt on wikipedia. But it doesn't really talk about why they're both still maintained or which one is considered the "preferred" utility for managing packages. I did notice that the lenny->squeeze upgrade guide recommends apt-get |
| 15:40.17 | tomreyn | and etch -> lenny recommended aptitude. it's a moving target. |
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| 15:40.44 | bs0d | jkyle: IMHO both can do it on the same level, providing reliable sercive, and its a matter of personal preferences which one to use. Its only IMHO, I may be mistaken |
| 15:40.46 | jkyle | alright, that's the sense I got. just wanted to make sure that the reality was as ambiguous as my perception of it |
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| 15:41.30 | Wyzard | bs0d: xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 Depends: xen-linux-system-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 and Provides: xen-linux-system |
| 15:41.50 | Wyzard | bs0d: There's really only one package that provides actual Xen software, and that is xen-linux-system-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 15:42.37 | Wyzard | bs0d: but you should install the xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 to ensure that when the 2.6.32-5 package is superseded by some other package (like 2.6.32-6), your system installs it automatically when you upgrade |
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| 15:43.21 | Wyzard | bs0d: Actually, sorry, xen-linux-system-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 doesn't provide software, it just depends on the kernel and hypervisor |
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| 15:44.29 | bs0d | Wyzard: Its a bit confusing for the newbie as I am, such duplication of packages, couple of packages with almost similar names, you helped me a lot. Thank you very much |
| 15:45.00 | abrotman | patrik_debian: /etc/environment perhaps ? |
| 15:45.15 | Wyzard | bs0d: Xen aside, are you familiar with the difference between the linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 package and the linux-image-2.6-amd64 package? |
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| 15:46.25 | bs0d | Wyzard: no, I do not know the difference, I think the last package envolves all 2.6.* series kernels and 2.6.32-5 is exactly for one version of it |
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| 15:48.41 | Wyzard | bs0d: At some point in the future, there may be a linux-image-2.6.32-6-amd64 package, e.g. a security update or something |
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| 15:49.26 | Wyzard | but apt doesn't automatically install new packages just because they come into existence, so if you have just linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 installed, apt won't automatically upgrade you to linux-image-2.6.32-6-amd64 when it becomes available |
| 15:49.51 | Wyzard | linux-image-2.6-amd64 is an "empty" package whose whole purpose is that it (currently) depends on linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 15:50.10 | Wyzard | and when linux-image-2.6.32-6-amd64 is released, linux-image-2.6-amd64 will be updated to depend on that instead |
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| 15:50.52 | Wyzard | apt *does* install new versions of packages you already have installed, including new dependencies if necessary, so if you have linux-image-2.6-amd64 installed, apt will upgrade that and give you linux-image-2.6.32-6-amd64 in the process |
| 15:51.01 | aminpy | what's SASL package name in debian? |
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| 15:51.29 | Wyzard | You can see that the package with the more "general" version number is really a tool to help with upgrades |
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| 15:52.54 | Wyzard | The same goes for the Xen packages: xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 is the tool that ensures you always have the latest "real" packages of the Xen stuff, which currently happens to be xen-linux-system-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
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| 15:54.15 | Wyzard | The similar names may be confusing, but it's not duplication, it's a system designed with a purpose |
| 15:54.27 | lapsusbrutus | why xen and not kvm? (I have not tried xen, and therefore wondering :)) |
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| 15:55.22 | Wyzard | lapsusbrutus: For running Linux on Linux, Xen seems a little cleaner to me, though KVM seems to be gaining favor |
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| 15:57.29 | Wyzard | I've found it handy to be able to dynamically attach and detach block devices to a running guest; don't know whether KVM can do that |
| 15:57.46 | lapsusbrutus | interesting, i have thought that cleaner than kvm has to be chroot :p then xen must be pretty clean :) |
| 15:58.25 | lapsusbrutus | I think you can, but havent tried it. |
| 15:59.17 | Wyzard | KVM has to emulate either a VGA card or a serial console for the guest OS; KVM has a paravirtualized console device that makes it really simple to access a guest's console from the host |
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| 15:59.37 | Wyzard | just run "xm console <guestname>" as root |
| 15:59.53 | lapsusbrutus | ohh cool |
| 15:59.57 | Wyzard | With KVM's emulated VGA card, you have to use a VNC viewer just to look at your guest's text console |
| 16:00.07 | Wyzard | The serial port option would probably be nicer, but I haven't used that |
| 16:00.10 | Lost_Cause | I just started using irssi. is there a way to get it not show people joining/leaving |
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| 16:01.00 | lapsusbrutus | Lost_Cause: yah :) |
| 16:01.59 | Lost_Cause | lapsusbrutus: how? it is the one thing that is making go crazy right now |
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| 16:04.15 | Resilience | when trying to run elmerGui I come across this errro message: "/usr/bin/ElmerGUI.real: relocation error: /usr/lib/libvtkIO.so.5.6: symbol __cxa_pure_virtual, version libmysqlclient_16 not defined in file libmysqlclient.so.16 with link time reference" what's wrong? what should I do? |
| 16:04.22 | lapsusbrutus | . /ignore -channels #mwsf * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS or something like that :) |
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| 16:05.44 | Resilience | lapsusbrutus, what? |
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| 16:08.46 | wols_ | Resilience: your program and one of its libs don't fit together. recompile |
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| 16:11.06 | Resilience | wols_, erh...the aim using debian is not having to recompilate... |
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| 16:12.13 | Wyzard | Resilience: "elmerGui" doesn't seem to be a package in Debian, so I'm guessing you got the binary from somewhere else |
| 16:12.29 | Wyzard | and it's compiled for a different version of the MySQL client library than the one in Debian |
| 16:12.32 | lapsusbrutus | Resilience: what? the irssi thing? |
| 16:12.56 | Resilience | Wyzard, apt-cache seach elmer, and iti isntall 3 programs, being ElmerGUi one of them, I'm getting it right from debian testing |
| 16:13.21 | Resilience | lapsusbrutus, yes -> . /ignore -channels #mwsf * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS or something like that :) |
| 16:13.24 | Wyzard | ah, I was searching for "elmergui" |
| 16:13.42 | Resilience | Wyzard, elmerGui, sorry |
| 16:13.48 | Resilience | Wyzard, ElmerGui, sorry |
| 16:13.52 | Resilience | Wyzard, ElmerGUI, sorry |
| 16:13.54 | Resilience | argh |
| 16:13.57 | lapsusbrutus | ah it was response to Lost_Cause . before you joined :) |
| 16:13.59 | Lost_Cause | lapsusbrutus: thanks the irssi thing worked. |
| 16:14.03 | Resilience | those fingers o' mine |
| 16:14.36 | Resilience | lapsusbrutus, thanks |
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| 16:15.35 | wols_ | Resilience: are you running debian stable? |
| 16:15.56 | Resilience | wols_, no, testing |
| 16:16.15 | wols_ | then it's probably a bug in testing. which is why it's called "testing" |
| 16:16.33 | Wyzard | Your error message mentions /usr/lib/libvtkIO.so.5.6, which I'm guessing is in either the libvtk5.6 or libvtk5.6-qt4 package (both of which elmer depends on), but neither of those packages depends on any MySQL packages, so I'm surprised that there seems to be a link dependency between them |
| 16:16.54 | wols_ | same thing: you need to recompile. or report the bug and wait until a maintainer fixes it. and pray nothing else doesn't break. if you want a debian that doesn't break, testing is the wrong thing to run for you |
| 16:17.08 | Wyzard | At any rate, if you're getting that error and all your dependencies are correct according to apt, file a bug |
| 16:17.34 | lapsusbrutus | Lost_Cause: If you need to se if somebody is on you can use /who or type in two or three first letters of nick and double "tab" :) maybe other ways too? but the tab autocomletion is awesome |
| 16:17.40 | Resilience | Wyzard, I suppose i will do it, how can I do it? I have never done it.. web page? mail? or what? |
| 16:18.11 | Wyzard | Resilience: Install the "reportbug" package if you don't have it already |
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| 16:18.42 | Resilience | Wyzard, it is installed |
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| 16:19.20 | Wyzard | Do "dpkg -S /usr/lib/libvtkIO.so.5.6" to find out what package contains that file -- that's the one the bug should be reported against |
| 16:19.26 | lapsusbrutus | Lost_Cause: (there is autocompletion on commands too) |
| 16:19.47 | Lost_Cause | lapsusbrutus: ya that is one of the major reasons why I switched to it |
| 16:20.23 | Resilience | Wyzard, and with reportbug waht should I do then? |
| 16:20.36 | Wyzard | Just run it, and it'll prompt you for the necessary info |
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| 16:20.52 | Lost_Cause | lapsusbrutus: irssi seems to be the only decent open client out there that is easy to change things with |
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| 16:22.12 | lapsusbrutus | Lost_Cause: Its vastly configurable. <3 |
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| 16:23.09 | Lost_Cause | lapsusbrutus: Ya I have noticed that. It is one of the most configurable problems I have ever used. I wish everything where like this |
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| 16:23.59 | jkyle | Ok, just booted up a fresh cloud instance on rackspace with debian lenny. did a dist-upgrade to squeeze. all went well enough. |
| 16:24.39 | jkyle | frew quirks to iron out though. First, my keyboard bindings seem to be messed up. When I ssh in, hitting my backspace key causes the cursor to (what apears to be) tab instead |
| 16:24.53 | jkyle | I assume this is something to do with terminfo |
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| 16:28.12 | jkyle | k, seems I'm missing xterm-new |
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| 16:38.56 | lapsusbrutus | I want to build a linux box that responds to IR, where buttons on the remote control does the same thing as arrow keys on keyboard, anyone done this, or can point me to where to start? |
| 16:39.23 | wols_ | lapsusbrutus: lirc |
| 16:39.49 | lapsusbrutus | thanks wols_ :) |
| 16:40.28 | ujjain | How do I rescan for newly added drives? |
| 16:40.49 | Wyzard | is surprised to discover that the squeeze install discs apparently don't support EFI booting |
| 16:41.15 | wols_ | ujjain: kernel does that automatically |
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| 16:41.28 | ujjain | wols_: it does not list the drive in fdisk -l |
| 16:42.01 | ujjain | it should list it, although without partitions, or I dont remember what exactly, but it should show up in fdisk -l? |
| 16:42.05 | lapsusbrutus | wols_: lirc can this be run on server with no X? that would be the ideal thing |
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| 16:42.46 | wols_ | lapsusbrutus: apt-cache is a great program |
| 16:42.58 | wols_ | ujjain: have you checked your kernel log? |
| 16:43.24 | ujjain | wols_: no messages, just Jun 11 18:33:36 backup01 mpt-statusd: detected non-optimal RAID status |
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| 16:44.03 | wols_ | that sounds like a broken RAID volume? |
| 16:44.25 | ujjain | it does not run raid. |
| 16:45.25 | wols_ | what kind of disk is this? |
| 16:45.31 | ujjain | VMWare virtual disk |
| 16:45.35 | ujjain | Should become sdb |
| 16:45.36 | wols_ | ujjain: you need to give a lot more info to diagnose the probelm |
| 16:45.54 | ujjain | Debian 6.x, added VMWare virtual disk 200GB, does not appear in fdisk -l |
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| 16:46.01 | ujjain | I will try echo â- â -â > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan |
| 16:46.45 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 16:46.45 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware #vmware on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 16:47.02 | ujjain | This is not a VMWare issue? |
| 16:47.10 | mack_k | ls /dev/disk/by-uuid; compare to /etc/fstab |
| 16:47.11 | wols_ | ujjain: we dunno if vmware can hotplug |
| 16:47.11 | ujjain | pfff, pathetic. |
| 16:47.16 | ujjain | It works fine with CentOS. |
| 16:47.24 | wols_ | it is a vmware issue if the kernel runs inside vmware |
| 16:47.24 | ujjain | it does not work with Debian. |
| 16:47.31 | ujjain | and #vmware will send me to #debian |
| 16:47.39 | ujjain | because I have to threat them like virtual machines. |
| 16:47.43 | ujjain | and it's identical, and #vmware is right here. |
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| 16:48.45 | jkyle | looks like the default TERM for squeeze is xterm-new, but this doesn't exist in /lib/terminfo/x/ |
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| 16:49.31 | wols_ | ujjain: calling it "pathetic" really gets us motivated to help you. have a nice day |
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| 16:50.24 | ujjain | wols_: I found your attitude disrespectful too. But let's forget about it. |
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| 16:51.04 | Megaf | hi all, do you use Thunderbird? |
| 16:51.13 | nkuttler | uses icedove |
| 16:51.20 | wols_ | Megaf: ask your real question |
| 16:51.22 | Megaf | its doesnt look very well here, its icons are borked |
| 16:51.32 | jkyle | thinks someone is very confused about how applications are made to run on certain platforms and who is responsible for doing that. |
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| 16:53.58 | Megaf | wols_, I do have a good question actually, how to convert a XFS filesystem to Ext3? |
| 16:54.24 | Wyzard | Megaf: back up files, mkfs.ext3, restore files |
| 16:54.25 | wols_ | Megaf: either you try gparted or you do a backup, mkfs and a restore |
| 16:54.36 | Megaf | and icedove icons are borked too |
| 16:54.37 | wols_ | but gparted probably can't do it |
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| 16:54.41 | Megaf | let me take a screenshot |
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| 16:57.03 | Megaf | take a look please http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3526/5821166809_0ac2cd5a2e_b.jpg |
| 16:57.26 | phogg | gparted definitely cannot do it |
| 16:57.51 | phogg | there is no such thing as online filesystem conversion for almost all filesystems. |
| 16:58.07 | Megaf | I can use a LiveCD or so |
| 16:58.11 | Megaf | I just need a tool |
| 16:58.30 | phogg | Does not exist |
| 16:58.50 | phogg | When I say "online conversion" I mean without an intermediate backup location. |
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| 16:59.44 | secretary_linux | wow, that would be quite a prospect... |
| 17:00.33 | phogg | secretary_linux: online filesystem conversion? It exists for FAT32->NTFS, but I've never seen it elsewhere. Ext2->3->4 doesn't really count since there isn't anything that gets converted. |
| 17:01.24 | DimitryKakadu | hi all |
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| 17:01.48 | DimitryKakadu | how to install on debian stable libX11 without any optimisations (CFLags=-O0) ? |
| 17:02.02 | DimitryKakadu | I want to debug libX11 |
| 17:02.26 | DimitryKakadu | to understang SIGSEGV |
| 17:02.29 | simonlnu | install the -dbg package, if any |
| 17:02.32 | joltcan | DimitryKakadu: download the deb-source and build it yourself? |
| 17:02.44 | joltcan | right |
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| 17:03.28 | DimitryKakadu | simonlnu: dbg-package has optimisations. so when I type `print i` I have `$5 = <value optimized out>` |
| 17:04.04 | DimitryKakadu | simonlnu: so I think that I need libX11 with CFLAGS=-O0 |
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| 17:05.25 | joltcan | DimitryKakadu: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/130894/how-to-build-a-debian-ubuntu-package-from-source and edit the makefile before you build? (that being said, I have no idea what I'm talking about) |
| 17:05.58 | eliasson_ | Hey! I'm trying to install Debian using a USB-stick, and during install it's asking about the cdrom-device. I have disabled the cdrom device in BIOS, but it's the same problem. |
| 17:06.01 | eliasson_ | Any tought? |
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| 17:06.19 | simonlnu | DimitryKakadu: you'll have to rebuild it, and edit debian/rules |
| 17:06.27 | simonlnu | (not in that order ;) |
| 17:07.24 | joltcan | eliasson_: The only solution I have to usb installations is not to use them. Maybe netboot is feasible? |
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| 17:08.08 | DimitryKakadu | simonlnu: so I should find good deb-src repository and run something like ` apt-src install libx11-6` ? |
| 17:08.30 | eliasson_ | joltcan: I'm using "Universial USB Installer" to make the iso bootable, but there is no option there to make the netinstall bootable. |
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| 17:08.41 | simonlnu | the official mirrors will have the relevant source |
| 17:08.51 | eliasson_ | joltcan: Any recommendation how to make the iso bootable? |
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| 17:08.56 | simonlnu | just add deb-src lines copying your extant ones |
| 17:09.08 | nyov | DimitryKakadu: if it's enough, install the *-dbg package, otherwise get the source-package and recompile |
| 17:09.16 | wols_ | eliasson_: how big is the usb stick? |
| 17:09.23 | nyov | oh sorry, my bad! backlog |
| 17:09.30 | eliasson_ | ~2gb |
| 17:09.52 | wols_ | !unetbootin |
| 17:09.53 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>. |
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| 17:10.02 | DimitryKakadu | simonlnu: it seems that ftp.de.debian.org doesnt hasve source pakage .... ( |
| 17:10.13 | eliasson_ | Thanks |
| 17:10.24 | nyov | DimitryKakadu: but it does |
| 17:10.28 | simonlnu | it does |
| 17:10.44 | wols_ | eliasson_: debian cd is a hybrid image. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 point 4.3.1 |
| 17:10.48 | simonlnu | fix your sources.list and update |
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| 17:11.11 | wols_ | DimitryKakadu: you are wrong. it does. does your line for getting source start with "deb-src"? |
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| 17:11.28 | DimitryKakadu | wols_: yes |
| 17:11.42 | wols_ | DimitryKakadu: pastebin the line please |
| 17:12.31 | DimitryKakadu | wols_: http://paste.org.ru/?x46pw0 |
| 17:12.33 | nyov | DimitryKakadu: go to some temp location and apt-get source <package> |
| 17:13.19 | wols_ | DimitryKakadu: apt-get update && apt-get source libx11-6 |
| 17:13.26 | Janos | hey there, i have a debianized source tree, with a debian/control among other things, but this package is not get part of any repo, how can i install the builddeps ? dpkg-checkbuilddeps does show which deps are required and which are missing, but i see no way of installing then, do i have to do it manually ? |
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| 17:14.03 | DimitryKakadu | wols_: Yeach! I catched it |
| 17:14.35 | DimitryKakadu | wols_: so the command `apt-src install libx11-6` |
| 17:14.39 | wols_ | no |
| 17:14.46 | wols_ | there is no "apt-src" command |
| 17:14.53 | DimitryKakadu | wols_: command above doesn't work |
| 17:15.02 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 17:15.05 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 17:15.53 | DimitryKakadu | wols_: http://paste.org.ru/?juzvqv doesn't work as expected |
| 17:16.02 | simonlnu | apt-get source |
| 17:16.16 | nyov | !package recompile |
| 17:16.18 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
| 17:16.30 | wols_ | DimitryKakadu: did I ever tell you to run something called "apt-src"? |
| 17:16.45 | simonlnu | no, he made that up.... |
| 17:17.14 | simonlnu | and it's "I caught it". catched doesn't exist except as typos ;P |
| 17:17.15 | DimitryKakadu | wols_: no, I've googled this recomendation before asking in irc |
| 17:17.29 | simonlnu | ... |
| 17:17.35 | DimitryKakadu | simonlnu: thanks))) |
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| 17:17.49 | wols_ | DimitryKakadu: don't follow random google advice. if something doesn't work, pastebin the full output of " apt-get update && apt-get source libx11-6" |
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| 17:20.18 | DimitryKakadu | wols_, simonlnu and others: thanks, for your recommendations! |
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| 17:20.57 | jonez | greetings. I'm using cyrus on squeeze, and I can't seem to login to the server. also, imapd is only listening on localhost. |
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| 17:21.31 | wols_ | jonez: then change your config? |
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| 17:21.55 | jonez | wols_, I couldn't find anything in the man page that talked about what interfaces to listen on. |
| 17:22.02 | wols_ | jonez: by default, cyrus listens on all interfaces afaik |
| 17:22.18 | jonez | I would think that too, but it doesn't. |
| 17:22.50 | wols_ | jonez: grep imapd /etc/cyrus.conf |
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| 17:23.34 | simonlnu | jonez: cyrus has 2 configs, imapd.conf and cyrus.conf |
| 17:23.43 | jonez | ok |
| 17:23.45 | simonlnu | runs dovecot now |
| 17:23.48 | wols_ | simonlnu: but this one is cyrus.conf |
| 17:23.54 | trumpets9000 | anyone know how to set up fetchmail for a yahoo bizmail account? |
| 17:24.01 | simonlnu | ran cyrus for years. yup it sure is |
| 17:24.36 | wols_ | simonlnu: what kind of mail storage does dovecot provide? and how did you migrate? |
| 17:25.52 | simonlnu | there's a few scripts around on their wiki. i'm using maildir, but it can use mbox dbox (their own storage) and maildir. i set it up almost exactly like i had my cyrus. |
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| 17:27.14 | trumpets9000 | should i be asking fetchmail questions here? |
| 17:27.26 | jonez | ok, I think I found the line I need... it's called "listen". ty for the help |
| 17:27.39 | jonez | next question :) what is the default login/password to use with the cyradm tool? |
| 17:27.45 | wols_ | trumpets9000: you can but we don't know everything |
| 17:27.58 | simonlnu | there isn't any. you set up the cyrus user |
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| 17:28.12 | simonlnu | you should also have a postman user |
| 17:28.21 | jonez | I remember apt-get adding users and such |
| 17:28.35 | wols_ | yes, it created a cyrus user. su to that |
| 17:28.43 | jonez | ok, done |
| 17:29.46 | wols_ | simonlnu: well, maildir is just a tad different from the way cyrus stores mail :) |
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| 17:30.37 | simonlnu | slightly, but similar in some ways |
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| 17:30.50 | simonlnu | they both have 1 email per file |
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| 17:31.27 | simonlnu | but some meta-data is stored with the filename in maildir whereas cyrus has another file. both have their advantages. |
| 17:31.30 | eevar | !bash |
| 17:31.33 | dpkg | somebody said bash was the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <bbg>, <abs>, <parsing ls>, <bashism>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bash #bash on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:39.30 | r3m | Hi, is there a way to reboot debian safely if it completely freeze |
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| 17:40.19 | jkyle | hm, no vim 7.3 packages for debian |
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| 17:41.03 | babilen | ,versions vim |
| 17:41.03 | judd | Package vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2+b1; wheezy: 2:7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2+b1 |
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| 17:41.41 | jkyle | not in backports either |
| 17:41.44 | babilen | jkyle: vim 7.3 is not in squeeze and will never be there. But you can most likely backport the package from sid by following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 17:43.20 | jkyle | not too big a deal I guess, I'll remove the 7.3 specific lines from my vimrc |
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| 17:44.00 | babilen | jkyle: Sure, if that is OK for you. I wouldn't want to miss some of the vim 7.3 features though. :) |
| 17:44.01 | jonez | so how do I add the 'cyradm' user? |
| 17:44.11 | wols_ | jonez: what for? |
| 17:44.22 | jonez | I need to add mailboxes |
| 17:44.29 | wols_ | not with a cyradm user |
| 17:44.57 | jkyle | babilen: not a main machine or anything. I doubt I'll get too hung up on missing features while editing system config files hehe |
| 17:45.19 | jonez | ok. do the packages make an imapd user account? or do I need to use sasl2-bin? |
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| 17:45.27 | jonez | s/user account/admin account/ |
| 17:45.32 | simonlnu | o-/me doesn't know what's so special about 7.3 |
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| 17:45.36 | babilen | jkyle: Sure -- You could also do something like: if v:version >= 703 |
| 17:45.38 | simonlnu | woops |
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| 17:46.42 | babilen | jkyle: That way you can still have 703 specific configuration, but you check which version you are running |
| 17:47.43 | jkyle | step #1 server setup, disable root login, non-standard ssh port :P |
| 17:47.52 | simonlnu | blah. i think i'll make an ikiwiki port that uses encode_entities_numeric. it's making my xml choke.... |
| 17:47.53 | babilen | simonlnu: persistent undo, undo trees and relative linenumbers are nice to have. (gundo is just a great plugin for example) |
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| 17:48.35 | simonlnu | undo trees? not like undies trees, where you get undies, i imagine. |
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| 17:50.53 | rypervenche | Is it possible to see the properties of a file via the command line? Such as the size, when it was last modified, etc. |
| 17:51.27 | jonez | I get an "could not connect to server" error when I try to use cyradm. is it trying to connect to the imap port, or something else? |
| 17:51.34 | abrotman | rypervenche: stat is one method |
| 17:52.16 | rypervenche | abrotman: Ah, that looks very good. Thank you :) |
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| 17:53.46 | jonez | there's something missing with cyrus, and I can't figure out what :( |
| 17:54.25 | abrotman | jonez: cyradm localhost ? |
| 17:54.41 | jonez | I changed the config so it listens on the public interface |
| 17:54.56 | jonez | when I try the 'login' command, the error I get is 'could not connect to server' |
| 17:55.15 | jonez | er... 'login command from within cyradm' |
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| 17:56.54 | jonez | maybe I need to turn 'anonymous logins' on briefly so I can add an admin account |
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| 17:58.41 | wols_ | jonez: no. you cannot create mailboxes anonymously .) |
| 17:59.20 | jonez | something is missing in what I am doing, then. I don't know how to authenticate |
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| 18:05.35 | jkyle | noticed debian starts up all newly installed services, is there a way to list all services its started? |
| 18:05.58 | nkuttler | jkyle: rcconf is nice |
| 18:07.14 | Tiffy | ls /etc/rc?.? |
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| 18:08.01 | trumpets9000 | should i be using procmail? |
| 18:08.15 | wols_ | jonez: what do you get if you run "cyradm localhost"? |
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| 18:08.25 | nkuttler | trumpets9000: do you need it? |
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| 18:08.45 | jonez | wols_, "cyradm: cannot connect to server" |
| 18:08.46 | jkyle | nkuttler: awesome, thhanks |
| 18:08.51 | grappr | "No such file or directory" |
| 18:08.53 | trumpets9000 | i don't know, i am trying to process emails from my firewall to do certain things |
| 18:09.07 | jonez | wols_, that is with a small change to /etc/cyrus.conf |
| 18:09.09 | wols_ | jonez: then your imapd is not listening on 143 |
| 18:09.13 | grappr | why would i get "No such file or directory" when trying to execute a program? |
| 18:09.19 | jonez | it's not listening on all interfaces. |
| 18:09.21 | grappr | the file is definitely there |
| 18:09.28 | abrotman | grappr: file yourfile |
| 18:09.29 | nkuttler | trumpets9000: define things |
| 18:09.38 | wols_ | grappr: a library your program needs is missing for example |
| 18:09.40 | jonez | grappr, make sure whatever is in the #! line is there an exists |
| 18:09.58 | wols_ | jonez: where is it listening? |
| 18:10.07 | jonez | wols_, on my network ip |
| 18:10.08 | grappr | blake@strong:~/tmailer$ file tmailer |
| 18:10.09 | grappr | tmailer: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 18:10.24 | abrotman | are you on a 32bit system ? |
| 18:10.28 | wols_ | jonez: then cyradm to that |
| 18:10.36 | grappr | lol no, it's 64-bit |
| 18:10.37 | jonez | wols_, I do that, and I get prompted for a password. |
| 18:10.40 | trumpets9000 | like if x amount of alert emails are received within y amount of time then forward (or create detailed email) to another email address |
| 18:10.45 | grappr | it should still execute though, right? |
| 18:10.50 | abrotman | why? |
| 18:11.57 | grappr | abrotman: so i can't run a 32-bit app on my 64-bit OS? |
| 18:11.58 | wols_ | grappr: it can, if the libraries it needs are pressent. no otherwise |
| 18:12.13 | grappr | http://www.xellsoft.com/TurboMailer.html |
| 18:12.15 | grappr | this is what it is |
| 18:12.16 | abrotman | you can under certain conditions |
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| 18:12.27 | grappr | i'm trying to run it on 64bit debian |
| 18:12.29 | abrotman | oh yay, spammer |
| 18:12.33 | grappr | lol? |
| 18:12.39 | grappr | why am i a spammer? |
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| 18:12.47 | abrotman | Full-featured bulk email software with intuitive hands-on GUI for sending newsletters & personalized circulars. |
| 18:13.00 | abrotman | grappr: there are mailing list managers in debian |
| 18:13.19 | grappr | this actually sends the email in bulk though |
| 18:13.24 | grappr | it doesn't just manage lists |
| 18:13.27 | grappr | ... |
| 18:13.39 | wols_ | yes. which is why we call it spam software and you a wannabe spammer |
| 18:13.50 | abrotman | how much mail are you sending? |
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| 18:16.40 | jonez | wols_, does the deb package for cyrus2.2 use the bash account password, or does it have it's own db someplace? |
| 18:17.19 | wols_ | cyrus uses its totally own password system. hence why it asks for a "IMAP password" |
| 18:17.29 | wols_ | sasl to be exact |
| 18:17.34 | jonez | ok, so sasl |
| 18:17.51 | jonez | so I need to find the tool for creating accounts in it. I thought that would be sasl2-bin, but apparently not. |
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| 18:18.07 | grappr | abrotman: how do i get turbomailer to run on 64bit debian? |
| 18:18.08 | wols_ | it is. saslpasswd2 for example |
| 18:18.09 | grappr | =[ |
| 18:18.21 | abrotman | grappr: the obvious answer is to use 32bit debian |
| 18:18.23 | wols_ | abrotman: notice how there is no answer? |
| 18:18.27 | jelly-home | jonez: SASL can however be configured to use unix account authentication |
| 18:18.33 | abrotman | wols_: ruined that eh? |
| 18:18.40 | moele | ok, I know this is a very subjective question but I do have a question im curious about |
| 18:18.54 | abrotman | grappr: or ask your vendor why they want to abuse email, and why they dont' provide 64bit binaries |
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| 18:19.22 | grappr | lol abuse email |
| 18:19.23 | jonez | what package is saslpasswd2 in? |
| 18:19.23 | moele | if you were going to make a web frontend with a dbi to some db, what platform would you choose, so I mean, like... apache/php/mysql, postgresql etc.. or perl or what not |
| 18:19.26 | moele | just looking for some feedback |
| 18:19.27 | grappr | you're a funny one, abrotman |
| 18:19.37 | abrotman | at least i'm not a spammer |
| 18:19.48 | grappr | who's a spammer? |
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| 18:20.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: stop needlessly accusing users of spamming just because they have a product for mass mailing |
| 18:20.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: but it does bulkmail! |
| 18:20.24 | jelly-home | so fucking what |
| 18:20.36 | grappr | !ops abrotman |
| 18:20.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: grappr complains about: abrotman |
| 18:20.41 | jelly-home | haha |
| 18:20.56 | trumpets9000 | lol |
| 18:21.18 | abrotman | grappr: i gave you your easiest answer, and you call ops on me? |
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| 18:21.43 | grappr | switching to a 32-bit platform is far from "easy" |
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| 18:21.50 | grappr | and you mad wild accusations |
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| 18:21.52 | jelly-home | grappr: the correct approach really is to contact the vendor |
| 18:21.58 | grappr | yeah, true |
| 18:22.10 | wols_ | jelly-home: < grappr> this actually sends the email in bulk though < grappr> it doesn't just manage lists looks pretty conclusive to me |
| 18:22.13 | abrotman | grappr: you've fallen into one of the pitfalls of using 64bit OSes .. you can contact the vendor, install i386, or pray a chroot works |
| 18:22.19 | AngryBlackGuy | damn, i once found such an awesome poem on debian's fortune program but i had since lost it and cant find it again, it was called like |
| 18:22.20 | jelly-home | grappr: or use a 32bit chroot. or play with ia32-libs. |
| 18:22.27 | AngryBlackGuy | "ode to the serpent" or something like that |
| 18:22.35 | grappr | i'm trying to send close to 750k emails over the next 2 days |
| 18:22.41 | jelly-home | wols_: yeah, and? |
| 18:22.44 | AngryBlackGuy | was about how the snake got a bad rap in the garden of eden |
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| 18:23.09 | jelly-home | wols_: $employer sends mail to their 50-100k customers on a regular basis |
| 18:23.16 | wols_ | jelly-home: so you think his 750k people welcome his "great offer"? really? |
| 18:23.28 | jelly-home | wols_: I don't presume malice. |
| 18:23.44 | grappr | wols_: say what you like, they've all opted to receive my mailings |
| 18:23.49 | grappr | i'm breaking no CAN-SPAM laws |
| 18:24.09 | trumpets9000 | THEY ARE GOING TO BACK-TRACE YOU YOU KNOW OMFG |
| 18:24.12 | jelly-home | just ignore the idiots, they hear "bulk mail" and all start yelling spam |
| 18:24.34 | grappr | thanks, jelly-home |
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| 18:24.37 | abrotman | i gave him the freaking answer twice |
| 18:24.38 | maligor | witching to a 32bit platform? from 16bit? |
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| 18:25.19 | grappr | it's good stuff anyways |
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| 18:25.31 | yakamo | is trimslice fully supported now |
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| 18:25.40 | grappr | i'm mailing a business opportunity that allows people to make money working from home during the recession |
| 18:25.44 | albatr0ss | grappr: you can do a 32bit chroot and install a "full running" 32bit OS |
| 18:25.47 | grappr | so it's something that actually helps people |
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| 18:26.05 | abrotman | i still gave him the answer! |
| 18:26.24 | trumpets9000 | starving Ethiopians can't get email on their phones, what help can it really do for people? |
| 18:26.43 | wols_ | grappr: just stick to debian related stuff. and you've been given all available answers to your problem a long time ago. several times. |
| 18:26.44 | jelly-home | grappr: you should, however, stop digging yourself in with vague descriptions that really sound like scam |
| 18:26.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:26.58 | grappr | what scam? |
| 18:27.03 | wols_ | jelly-home: sound like? euphemism much? |
| 18:27.07 | jelly-home | "allows people to make money working from home during the recession" |
| 18:27.08 | wols_ | grappr: affiliate marketing |
| 18:27.13 | phogg | "business opportunity" is code for "scam" |
| 18:27.17 | grappr | affiliate marketing isn't a scam |
| 18:27.25 | grappr | it's a multi-billion dollar industry |
| 18:27.27 | abrotman | grappr: you have been given your answer .. is there anything else you need help with? |
| 18:27.29 | trumpets9000 | so fetchmail gets the mail, what do i need to do after that? |
| 18:27.38 | jelly-home | things like that don't scale, the leafs always lose |
| 18:27.42 | grappr | .ignore abrotman |
| 18:27.43 | wols_ | grappr: so are CDO. oops. were |
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| 18:28.59 | jelly-home | trumpets9000: what are you trying to do after you got the mail local? |
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| 18:29.32 | jelly-home | just read it from the local user's inbox |
| 18:29.38 | trumpets9000 | i want my a script to read the mail then possibly send mail to someone else based on what it gleans |
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| 18:29.48 | grappr | i can pump out millions of emails every hour, i can inbox at over 85%, i can sell business opportunities, penis pills, porn subscriptions, auto insurance, and anti-virus to your grandparents.... i am am god |
| 18:30.05 | jelly-home | grappr: keep it technical. |
| 18:30.29 | wols_ | abrotman: can you please remove the spammer. cause now he clearly stepped over the line |
| 18:30.33 | trumpets9000 | i don't think god would make grammar mistakes |
| 18:30.34 | abrotman | grappr: do you have a debian related question ? |
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| 18:30.57 | abrotman | oh, but now we have his hostname .. |
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| 18:31.20 | maligor | you think he'd use that to upload viagra emails? |
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| 18:33.04 | wols_ | maligor: considering the stupidity he's shown so far. outlook is good. |
| 18:34.18 | yakamo | i have a debian related question, how is the support looking for the trimslice hardware? |
| 18:34.38 | wols_ | !arm |
| 18:34.39 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:34.48 | wols_ | better ask there, they know more about it |
| 18:35.08 | yakamo | ah ok kewl |
| 18:35.10 | yakamo | thanks d00d |
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| 18:54.04 | jonez | I made progress! I can connect to the imap server with an account I made using kmail :) |
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| 18:54.34 | jonez | to get admin privs, I modified /etc/imap.conf |
| 18:54.42 | Ragnar | helo, how do I setup 32bit libs under a 64bit system? |
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| 18:57.00 | project2501a | is there a gpl'ed version of flexlm? |
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| 18:58.40 | ansgar | project2501a: Why would they release it under a free license and allow users to just remove the check for number of active licenses? |
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| 18:59.45 | wols_ | project2501a: would be the first DRM software with a GPL version I think :) |
| 18:59.46 | project2501a | ansgar: good retort. basically, i have never run flexlm, never seen how it works and i am pissed up. |
| 18:59.49 | wols_ | commercial DRM even |
| 18:59.53 | project2501a | ansgar: good retort. basically, i have never run flexlm, never seen how it works and i am pissed off. |
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| 19:00.09 | project2501a | so, i want to help reach absurdity to new levels |
| 19:00.18 | project2501a | so, i think i will re-implement flexlm |
| 19:00.26 | wols_ | project2501a: from what I remember it writes stuff to the first 63 sectors of the harddisk which then in turn breaks grub horribly |
| 19:00.43 | ansgar | wols_: No, it does not. |
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| 19:02.57 | pipeline | flexlm and its ilk are the devil |
| 19:03.01 | pipeline | if you can't trust your customers on licensing |
| 19:03.05 | pipeline | then your business model is broken |
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| 19:03.32 | pipeline | notably major software vendors like RH, Microsoft, and Oracle don't require backwards handsprings for licensing... why do little vertical firms think they do ? |
| 19:03.37 | jelly-home | we usually call our vendors before breaking the license, then they say it's ok |
| 19:04.07 | pipeline | I've never worked anywhere high-tech where folks are like "Sure, let's just pirate that!" |
| 19:04.11 | wols_ | ansgar: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550702 dunno if it is now fixed for good since I never ran flexlm |
| 19:04.22 | pipeline | your customers WANT to write you checks so that you will continue picking up the phone on those CYA support calls |
| 19:04.56 | wols_ | ansgar: note what the fix was: not really a fix but grub does now reed-solomon error correction |
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| 19:08.58 | ansgar | Hmm, I wonder if the Linux version also did that. |
| 19:10.39 | mns | what is a good gtk based application along the lines of etherape ? |
| 19:11.08 | maligor | ansgar, the ones I've used, didn't |
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| 19:13.10 | jhutchins | project2501a: There are a LOT of other license management tools out there. |
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| 19:14.41 | jhutchins | pipeline: It's not so much a matter of trusting your customers, it's a matter of trying to keep track of licenses for hundreds or thousands of systems. Sure, a site license is nice, but not always available or appropriate. |
| 19:14.43 | wols_ | jhutchins: any GPLed ones? |
| 19:15.00 | jhutchins | wols_: I don't know of one specifically, but I know there are free web-based ones. |
| 19:15.16 | pipeline | jhutchins: yeah -- microsoft and redhat don't give a shit, you just mail them a check for the number of licenses you say you're using. |
| 19:15.20 | jhutchins | Haven't used one in, oh, five years or so. |
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| 19:15.27 | simonlnu | "license management" o_O |
| 19:15.28 | pipeline | jhutchins: it's not a site license, it's just the honor system :P |
| 19:15.40 | pipeline | haha GPL license management |
| 19:15.45 | pipeline | license management seems like the ultimate vertical market |
| 19:15.47 | maligor | jhutchins, flexlm is used for standalone installations where it's just annoying |
| 19:15.51 | pipeline | can you imagine what the license terms for flexlm look like :P |
| 19:15.55 | maligor | aswell as network setups |
| 19:16.12 | jhutchins | pipeline: Right, but when it comes to auditing your enterprize and proving that the number of licenses paid for and in use match up, and the right systems have the right license credentials on them, it's important to get it right. |
| 19:16.27 | jhutchins | Basically it's just a database, but with some discovery tools as well. |
| 19:16.42 | maligor | my experience with is the student versions of Maya, it's a pita |
| 19:16.43 | wols_ | simonlnu: hard to keep track of GPL, LGPL, artistic, BSD with or without advertsing, classpath exemption, MPL, and so on. we need more managemant for that! |
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| 19:17.17 | simonlnu | i guess most people don't have the sort of memory i have ;p |
| 19:17.53 | pipeline | jhutchins: unfortunately nobody provides adequate audit tools |
| 19:18.12 | pipeline | jhutchins: in mye xperience licensing comes in two flavors: no tools at all, and you have to frantically cook something up yourself AND 2. fascist insanity like flexLM |
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| 19:22.27 | jhutchins | pipeline: You might need to widen your search. I've just gotten out of Windows support over the years, but I know there are working tools out there. I'm glad to be out of it. |
| 19:23.07 | pipeline | jhutchins: a third party tool is worse than no tool at all |
| 19:23.15 | pipeline | jhutchins: the vendors who inflict these licenses on us should be the ones providing audit tools :P |
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| 19:24.54 | jhutchins | pipeline: That's not realistic when you're talking about dozens of different packages from different vendors. You NEED a third party tool then. I suspect we're drifting off-topic though, #debian-offtopic if you wan to continue. |
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| 19:27.18 | gimpy1320 | I'm trying to install Deb 6.0.1a on an software RAID, but it fails to install GRUB. When I installed it myself in the rescue environment, it errored out on one of the paritions of the md. When I install GRUB tp sda and sdb directly, booting drops me into a GRUB shell. What do? |
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| 19:29.31 | wols_ | gimpy1320: a separate, non-raid /boot is not an option? |
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| 19:30.08 | gimpy1320 | wols_: I put /boot in RAID in Ubuntu all the time, any reason why Debian can't handle it? |
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| 19:30.53 | abrotman | it should be able to |
| 19:30.56 | abrotman | thought |
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| 19:32.11 | ws2k3 | hello people i'm trying to setup a pureftpd server on debian |
| 19:32.22 | gimpy1320 | Let me try grub-install against the md again and let you know the error. |
| 19:32.32 | abrotman | ws2k3: mmost people recommend vsftpd |
| 19:32.38 | ws2k3 | another question first what do u guys advice pureftpd vs proftpd? i have noticed that alot of isp use pureftpd |
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| 19:32.51 | ws2k3 | at this moment i use ftpd but its very standart. |
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| 19:33.17 | ws2k3 | i need to be able to create a user acount that comes in a specific directory and he may not login into ssh |
| 19:33.46 | jelly-home | you can disable ssh logins via sshd config regardless of ftpd |
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| 19:34.11 | gimpy1320 | ws2k3: I would say no to vsftpd and control ssh logins via sshd_config. |
| 19:34.15 | project2501a | jhutchins: yeah, but there is no flex-lm replacement. |
| 19:34.55 | jelly-home | gimpy1320: are you using partitioned md device? |
| 19:35.09 | ws2k3 | and why do u advice vsftpd? |
| 19:35.14 | gimpy1320 | jelly-home: Yes, one partition is for /boot and the other is LVM. |
| 19:35.37 | ujjain | What would a listen address 192.168.1.110 do? |
| 19:35.41 | jelly-home | gimpy1320: so, you're putting /boot on something like /dev/md0p1? |
| 19:35.49 | ujjain | I use 1 server for all SSH connectvitiy, should I set it to ListenAddress ThatIP? |
| 19:36.10 | gimpy1320 | jelly-home: It created it as md127, but yes. |
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| 19:36.48 | jelly-home | gimpy1320: grub2 doesn't like partitioned MD devices. A more conservative setup is to partition the disks, then create two md arrays |
| 19:37.07 | jelly-home | or more, one for each filesystem/pv |
| 19:37.28 | gimpy1320 | ujjain: Whatever application should listen on whatever IP you want it to. 120.0.0.1=only connections from itself, 0.0.0.0=every interface/IP, 192.168.1.110=only requests to that one IP. |
| 19:37.40 | ws2k3 | gimpy why should i take vsftpd? |
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| 19:37.58 | gimpy1320 | jelly-home: Well that's silly, but I'll try it. |
| 19:38.10 | jelly-home | gimpy1320: no, that's well supported |
| 19:38.26 | ujjain | gimpy1320: thanks!! |
| 19:38.28 | gimpy1320 | ws2k3: I never had a good experience with vsftpd, I always used proftpd but I don't know about pureftpd. |
| 19:39.14 | jelly-home | gimpy1320: if your md array member are whole disks, you could try extlinux instead of grub, and install it directly on your whole md device |
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| 19:39.58 | gimpy1320 | jelly-home: I'd rather not move away from GRUB....in other words, I'm too lazy to learn another boot loader. |
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| 19:41.03 | jelly-home | gimpy1320: alright, then configure your md arrays the way it's been done for a decade instead of using newfangled partitioned array feature |
| 19:41.05 | abrotman | ws2k3: i've used proftpd and vsftpd .. for general use, they're basicall ythe same |
| 19:41.23 | ws2k3 | hmm.. |
| 19:41.43 | ws2k3 | and curretly trying with pureftpd but i cant get it to work. |
| 19:42.03 | ws2k3 | does proftpd/vsftpd use a own user system or the debian user system? |
| 19:42.13 | abrotman | you mean virtual users? |
| 19:42.16 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 19:42.21 | abrotman | i believe they both can |
| 19:42.28 | maligor | best option is to avoid ftp all-together unless you really need it |
| 19:42.39 | ws2k3 | haha yeah i know |
| 19:42.43 | ws2k3 | but i need to. |
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| 19:42.53 | ws2k3 | i need to. |
| 19:42.58 | abrotman | ws2k3: apt-cache search proftpd .. many modules |
| 19:42.59 | wols_ | !pity ws2k3 |
| 19:42.59 | dpkg | I pity da fool ws2k3! |
| 19:43.03 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 19:43.21 | ws2k3 | and which one is easy to setup? |
| 19:43.54 | abrotman | read the docs.. |
| 19:44.14 | ws2k3 | i understand i was just asking ur opinion.. |
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| 19:44.42 | tharkun | Gentlemen How can i make a debian package out of upstream's tarball. I am specially interested on slapd and avoiding debian patches to it. |
| 19:44.52 | abrotman | !tell tharkun about uupdate |
| 19:45.03 | abrotman | otherwise .. /msg dpkg nmg, make your own |
| 19:45.09 | ws2k3 | does anyone around have exprience with working with rrdtool? |
| 19:45.37 | craigevil | tharkun there is a howto on forums.debian.net |
| 19:46.02 | tharkun | abrotman: does uupdate can be told NOT to include debian's patches? |
| 19:46.13 | tharkun | craigevil: thanks i will also take a look at those |
| 19:46.17 | abrotman | tharkun: i've never tried that, but i would think you oculd figure it out ... |
| 19:46.27 | abrotman | tharkun: why not just use stow or checkinstall? |
| 19:46.40 | tharkun | abrotman: thanks for the vote of confidence :) |
| 19:46.46 | jhutchins | ws2k3: Most people who think they need ftp actually don't. |
| 19:46.59 | jhutchins | ws2k3: scp works for most things. http for whatever else you need. |
| 19:47.39 | ws2k3 | ok can i wich scp make that a user cannot login on ssh? and only dan down/upload in one directory? |
| 19:48.52 | joltcan | ws2k3: sshd supports chroot, so a user can only access a specific directort |
| 19:48.54 | joltcan | directory |
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| 19:49.18 | ws2k3 | and can he login with ssh? |
| 19:49.55 | joltcan | ws2k3: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 19:50.15 | joltcan | ws2k3: No, I think its scp only |
| 19:50.19 | joltcan | sftp even |
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| 19:50.31 | maligor | tharkun, use the existing package (the debian/*) and remove the debian/patches/*, perhaps? |
| 19:50.35 | joltcan | Haven't used it myself though, but my collegues are using it |
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| 19:51.02 | jhutchins | ws2k3: If they can upload files, root access isn't very far away. |
| 19:51.26 | ws2k3 | hmm. i think i stick with ftp. |
| 19:51.32 | jhutchins | ws2k3: You could do it with a webserver. |
| 19:51.44 | jhutchins | ws2k3: Perhaps you need to look at why they're uploading and downloading files. |
| 19:51.45 | ws2k3 | its total not secure data what i wanne send.. |
| 19:51.47 | tharkun | maligor: It is also an option i am looking at the nmg as abrotman kindly suggested |
| 19:51.50 | joltcan | ws2k3: sftp in sshd is exactly what you need, but feel free to use something else |
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| 19:52.16 | ws2k3 | i'm just creating an clear image for myself |
| 19:52.23 | jhutchins | I run a multi-client webserver for non-Linux users and do not have FTP. |
| 19:52.40 | ws2k3 | wel.. we host some games for some people.. |
| 19:52.52 | jhutchins | ws2k3: Ah. Warez. |
| 19:52.56 | ws2k3 | and that people wish to make modifications to the data of the games |
| 19:52.58 | ws2k3 | haha no |
| 19:53.00 | ws2k3 | gameservers |
| 19:53.03 | pipeline | joltcan, ws2k3 : you probably want a restricted shell -- either scponly or rssh. Both are packaged by debian. scponly is easier to set up; rssh is nicer. |
| 19:53.31 | ws2k3 | for exaple if somebody want another mod on his call of duty server |
| 19:53.38 | ws2k3 | people need to upload is themself. |
| 19:53.50 | abrotman | tharkun: stow/checkinstall no good? |
| 19:54.19 | ws2k3 | ftp is easyer then ssh and winscp. |
| 19:54.27 | wols_ | ws2k3: giving them sftp access gives a much better impression to your users (imho) |
| 19:54.43 | wols_ | ws2k3: who uses winscp anymore. by now, filezilla |
| 19:54.51 | joltcan | pipeline: but sftp is built into ssh, so you only need to use Match group/user, it's not a real chroot where you have to copy binaries etc, its just a funcition of ssh for sftp only |
| 19:55.22 | ws2k3 | well. the peole that are going to use it are proberyly gamers. |
| 19:55.49 | ws2k3 | so they know anything about tech. so they dont care if its ssh/ftp/sftp/ftps/whatever |
| 19:56.05 | ws2k3 | they only want that there data is comming ont he server:P |
| 19:56.20 | pipeline | joltcan: if your user has access to sftp he has an unrestricted shell |
| 19:56.21 | wols_ | gamers who run their own servers and use mods are usually a bit more tech savvy than the typical console player who barely finds the "x" key on his gamepad |
| 19:56.35 | pipeline | joltcan: scponly and rssh make it trivial to permit sftp and scp inside a chroot on a per-user basis, without dinking around wiht your sshd |
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| 19:57.20 | ws2k3 | wols thats correct |
| 19:57.24 | joltcan | pipeline: yes, but then you are still relying on other software, this is already built into sshd |
| 19:57.31 | ws2k3 | but mods are standaart deployed from the web |
| 19:57.35 | ws2k3 | so total unsecure data.. |
| 19:57.36 | joltcan | but nevermind, if you want to fiddle around with 3rd party stuff, feel free too |
| 19:58.07 | ws2k3 | i wanne provide a bit a nice a stable servers. |
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| 19:58.33 | ws2k3 | and i was thinking ftp is easy.. |
| 19:58.35 | ws2k3 | for users |
| 19:59.03 | ws2k3 | but i have explaned what i need/want. what is the final dicizion of advice by u people? |
| 19:59.39 | wols_ | since ftp client is the same as scp client (filezilla, but probably all good clients allow scp now, filezilla is just Free) it doesn't matter for them |
| 20:00.00 | wols_ | ws2k3: usually we always advocate either ssh or if that's not possible, http |
| 20:00.45 | wols_ | ws2k3: has someone told you about the "ftp must die" factoid? |
| 20:00.55 | ws2k3 | no |
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| 20:01.04 | wols_ | !tell ws2k3 about ftp must die |
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| 20:01.40 | gimpy1320 | Long live ftp. |
| 20:02.12 | gimpy1320 | Excuse me while I telnet into my server like its 1992. |
| 20:02.30 | stew | ws2k3: any user that can use ftp should be able to use sftp |
| 20:03.23 | bs0d | where can I get the linux domU kernel for xen? Or at least, the sources of it? |
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| 20:05.21 | ws2k3 | stew with clients like filezilla i agree that |
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| 20:06.31 | ws2k3 | hmm its very hard. |
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| 20:08.02 | ws2k3 | i agree al the arguments u say. but i have two reasons who say me to still use ftp. first. all game hosting company do it. so why should i do it different? i know if stew jumps from a bridge that not a reason to jump to. and its total unsecure data so why would i even think of sftpd? u understand |
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| 20:08.41 | ws2k3 | from the other side. i wanne make it secure and i login with ssh to my debian servers. but i upload my data in plain text. |
| 20:08.50 | ws2k3 | they isnt going to make it more secure |
| 20:09.07 | pipeline | ftp is intrinsically insecure, encrypted or not |
| 20:09.21 | pipeline | there is such a thing as ftps, i.e. ftp w/ ssl for control or data |
| 20:09.26 | pipeline | but it's not much of a win over ftp (other than the lack of a plaintext password) |
| 20:09.31 | pipeline | ftp in general is just a Bad Protocol |
| 20:09.32 | pipeline | it was poorly conceived |
| 20:09.32 | wols_ | ws2k3: the way ftp as a protcol works (not just the plain password thing) and 2nd ftp daemons seems awfully insecure since forever now. vsftpd seems to be ok, but generally, there are way too many CVEs |
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| 20:10.15 | ws2k3 | but ftps is to hard for the stupid end user i think. |
| 20:10.31 | ws2k3 | may sftp like ssh is an idea |
| 20:11.16 | pipeline | that's up to you, ws2k3. At this point I think you've been appraised of all options, there's not much left to discuss :) |
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| 20:12.44 | ws2k3 | yeah i shall think about it. |
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| 20:12.59 | ws2k3 | and one more question is there anyone around that has experience with working with rrdtool? |
| 20:13.23 | wols_ | ws2k3: always ask the real question. not a question with "anyone" |
| 20:13.26 | ws2k3 | i'mn working with rrdtools a bit but i run into some problems but i cannot find any suitable support channel where somebody can answer some questions:) |
| 20:14.13 | ws2k3 | wols i know i have heard that before but any english ist that good and i dont know how to format my question else. |
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| 20:28.20 | project2501a | i am also of the opinion that i should create an installer for windows under linux |
| 20:28.32 | project2501a | supporting only installer 4.5 and above |
| 20:28.47 | project2501a | and then build a whole packaging studio on top of that. |
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| 21:11.47 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 21:11.48 | dpkg | * Gnurdux touchtypes with 2 fingers, so sometimes he gets off |
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| 21:12.32 | somiaj | I have a laptop I'm trying to get suspend/hibernate to work on. I'm using pm-utils, pm-suspend puts the laptop in suspend but it never comes out (it tries for about but then just crashes the laptop adn I hold the powerbutton down to restart it) |
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| 21:13.30 | somiaj | pm-hibernate puts the laptop into hibernate and I can resume just fine, but I loose any control over my wireless network card -- I think this card/driver is the issue, any other suggestions? |
| 21:13.45 | somiaj | (issue for both problems) |
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| 21:19.05 | wols_ | somiaj: know which card it is would help |
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| 21:21.28 | somiaj | yea, was looking it up on laptop -- RTL8188CE using the rtl8192ce module, firmware from the firmware-realtek package. |
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| 21:22.22 | wols_ | ouch. and with cards/drivers as new as this, you don't really have any choices. grab the newest kernel or driver you can. maybe chck compat-wireless if it helps. or do your own backport of 3.0rc or such... |
| 21:22.22 | project2501a | what the fuck does "Democratizing big data" mean? |
| 21:22.32 | project2501a | http://gigaom.com/cloud/democratizing-big-data-is-hadoop-our-only-hope/ |
| 21:22.39 | somiaj | rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin is the actual firmware |
| 21:22.45 | project2501a | seriously what the fuck are these people smocking |
| 21:22.58 | project2501a | i STILL do not get what one would use hadoop for |
| 21:23.13 | wols_ | ask google? |
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| 21:24.16 | Mike_1230 | hello |
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| 21:24.29 | Mike_1230 | can someone advice me if its safe to transfer everything from one server to other |
| 21:24.39 | Mike_1230 | including config files from root |
| 21:24.50 | Mike_1230 | or it will fuck up everything? |
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| 21:25.11 | project2501a | Mike_1230: what do you need to do? |
| 21:25.41 | Mike_1230 | eh i am moving to new server and i cant remember what install i made on previous server |
| 21:25.49 | Mike_1230 | and on new server one script is not working as it has to |
| 21:25.58 | project2501a | Mike_1230: dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:26.06 | project2501a | that's how you get the packages |
| 21:26.11 | project2501a | and what script are you talking about |
| 21:26.22 | Mike_1230 | its some custom made |
| 21:26.37 | Mike_1230 | including ffmpeg and stuff |
| 21:27.07 | Mike_1230 | i ll check your suggestion |
| 21:27.13 | Bushmills | Mike_1230: stuff in /etc may have to be customized: fstab, interfaces and so on |
| 21:27.20 | project2501a | Mike_1230: i'm sorry, but you are not making sense about the "scripts" |
| 21:27.52 | project2501a | usually, you clone the packages and then you just install the conf files for the packages you need |
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| 21:28.33 | wols_ | Mike_1230: but the customizing is fairly easy to do. often none if your partition layout hasn't changed a whole lot. /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules should be removed or altered tho |
| 21:28.58 | Mike_1230 | i see |
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| 21:29.11 | Mike_1230 | now i have the whole list of packages installed |
| 21:29.29 | Mike_1230 | is there a way to install all on new server or do i have to go step by step each one? |
| 21:29.56 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Mike_1230 about debian clone |
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| 21:30.03 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Mike_1230 about aptitude clone |
| 21:30.05 | Bushmills | Mike_1230: but wouldn't it be easier to determine why the script doesn't function properly, and fix the reason, rather than transferring a whole installation? |
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| 21:30.27 | Mike_1230 | yeah offcourse i am trying |
| 21:30.35 | Mike_1230 | but its damn frustrating its lots of things now :S |
| 21:30.51 | Mike_1230 | cant remember which package was installed before |
| 21:30.56 | Bushmills | having to fix the whole installation may be more frustrating |
| 21:31.20 | Mike_1230 | :/ |
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| 21:34.20 | pokkerface | does anyone use JDownloader? |
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| 21:35.06 | pokkerface | where is the installation folder of jdownloader? |
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| 21:36.38 | Bushmills | ,versions jdownloader |
| 21:36.38 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'jdownloader' was found in i386. |
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| 21:39.59 | hashi | Hi I am having trouble with the out of the box settings for squeeze and mounting cds or dvds is there any well known advice here ? |
| 21:40.25 | hashi | I can't find anything on forums so far |
| 21:40.33 | boudiccas | hashi; what do you mean ..... having troiuble? |
| 21:40.38 | pokkerface | Bushmills: what do you mean with version jdownloader? |
| 21:40.41 | Bushmills | for troubles with default settings? change them |
| 21:41.08 | somiaj | wols_: well blacklisting the wireless module fixed suspend -- I'm running a new debian kernel, I might just be sol and should follow a random google suggestion, and get a usbwifi card. 2.6.39-1-amd64 is my kernel. |
| 21:41.18 | Bushmills | pokkerface: there is no debian package jdownloader, and no debian package such a file is in, save some icons |
| 21:41.22 | hashi | boudiccas: manual mounting always comes back no medium found |
| 21:41.40 | hashi | boudiccas: it wont mount by itself either |
| 21:41.43 | Bushmills | seems that jdownloader is nothing debian provides |
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| 21:41.58 | boudiccas | hashi; just let it sit there and it will aiuto mount i;ve found |
| 21:42.29 | hashi | boudiccas: yeah it makes a bunch of noises then the led flashes and it wont mount for me |
| 21:42.40 | Bushmills | hashi: there's autofs, which allows you to insert a cd, and have it mounted when you try to access it |
| 21:43.04 | Bushmills | but unmount times should be shortened, the default of autofs is a bit long for cds |
| 21:43.35 | hashi | boudiccas: ah so change fstab entry for iso9660 then to autofs ? |
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| 21:44.43 | hashi | bushmills: I will try that then thanks..i will stick around in here |
| 21:44.43 | Bushmills | though "no medium found" suggests wrong drive, or defective drive |
| 21:44.58 | hashi | I see |
| 21:45.01 | Bushmills | or defective cd |
| 21:45.21 | hashi | that would have to be wrong drive then |
| 21:45.30 | hashi | so *shrug* |
| 21:45.30 | pokkerface | i was running jd.sh and updated all the time.. |
| 21:45.34 | pokkerface | now it works |
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| 21:55.08 | s3a | dpkg thinks i have a certain package installed which i couldn't remove and I manually removed every trace of it but not through dpkg, how do i make dpkg think the program no longer exists (because it doesn't) |
| 21:55.08 | dpkg | s3a: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 21:55.10 | s3a | ? |
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| 21:55.40 | oye | Is there a channel dedicated to the Debian Live CD/DVD? Pardon my ignorance.. |
| 21:56.17 | Bushmills | s3a: reinstall it, then purge it |
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| 21:56.57 | Bushmills | maybe just purging will do. but it may also fail |
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| 22:02.05 | antiwire | Does anyone have suggestions for setting up bluetooth headphones/mic in Squeeze? My bt mouse works but I can't get the headphones to show up in gnome volume control. |
| 22:02.18 | antiwire | they will pair but no audio device seems to show up |
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| 22:03.11 | starenka | hi, im using squeeze (updated from lenny) on my server. i was plannuing to utlilize /etc/rc.local to fire up my uwsgis, but the file despite the header is not being run (i've tried to touch...). is it a bug or am i doing smthng wrong? |
| 22:04.45 | Bushmills | starenka: what are permissions of rc.local? |
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| 22:05.11 | starenka | Bushmills: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 482 Jun 12 00:00 /etc/rc.local |
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| 22:05.43 | tharkun | !tell starenka about init.d |
| 22:06.22 | starenka | !rc.local |
| 22:06.22 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 22:06.50 | Bushmills | starenka: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*rc.local* shows symlink? |
| 22:07.14 | starenka | kosmik2:~# ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*rc.local* |
| 22:07.16 | starenka | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Oct 26 2009 /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local |
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| 22:08.01 | Bushmills | looks ok. how do you know that /etc/rc.local isn't executed? |
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| 22:08.57 | starenka | i planted touch /tmp/whatever adn can;t find the file |
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| 22:09.08 | starenka | (also mi uwsgis are not up) |
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| 22:11.16 | lapsusbrutus | lirc-modules fail to build on a newly set up debian squeeze on ThinkPad T23, and I dont understand the log file.. any suggestion where to start looking? |
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| 22:13.20 | Bushmills | starenka: does executing /etc/rc.local show any error? |
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| 22:16.39 | starenka | Bushmills: i can't see any in syslog |
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| 22:17.28 | Bushmills | on screen, when executing rc.local manually |
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| 22:28.49 | starenka | Bushmills: nope, there's some output, but no errors |
| 22:29.01 | starenka | should this be and issue? |
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| 22:29.51 | Bushmills | a command causing an error, for example by not being found, aborts execution of rc.local |
| 22:30.03 | nsadmin | starenka, try reading the output |
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| 22:30.36 | starenka | Bushmills: nope, i run that script manually it was okay |
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| 22:32.07 | trumpets9000 | how do i grep in maildirs recursively |
| 22:32.25 | nsadmin | man grep |
| 22:32.31 | trumpets9000 | :( |
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| 22:33.44 | starenka | Bushmills: call me retarded, but this can be problem? http://pastebin.com/wdf6DXW1 |
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| 22:35.18 | Bushmills | a missing explicit path to your executable |
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| 22:35.44 | trumpets9000 | hmm |
| 22:36.37 | nsadmin | I can't seem to reply to ":(" without using sarcasm... it's just not possible now... is it that you cannot read? cannot read man pages? |
| 22:37.12 | trumpets9000 | hehe |
| 22:37.17 | SolomonKull | man man |
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| 22:37.37 | ironm | good evening - I have strange behavior of my squeeze - when putting an usb-stick second time in an usb-connector "fdisk -l" doesn't show it anymore .. http://paste.debian.net/119569/ |
| 22:37.38 | trumpets9000 | trying to use --include |
| 22:37.46 | ironm | any idea why? - thank you in advance |
| 22:37.52 | trumpets9000 | can there be wildcards in --include= |
| 22:37.55 | SolomonKull | ironm: manually mount it? |
| 22:38.03 | trumpets9000 | say --include="DIR1*" |
| 22:38.07 | SolomonKull | trumpets9000: if you think it's safe to try, then try it. |
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| 22:38.30 | starenka | Bushmills: aha, well why it works when i run it manually tho? |
| 22:38.30 | SolomonKull | trumpets9000: the worse that could happen is you lose all yoru files. Live on the edge. |
| 22:38.33 | trumpets9000 | i mean it doesn't work the way im trying |
| 22:38.35 | ironm | SolomonKull, as long there is not /dev/sdx device I can't mount anything ;) |
| 22:38.42 | trumpets9000 | its in a vm so its cool if it blows up |
| 22:39.02 | SolomonKull | trumpets9000: then try it. You'll never learn if you dont try to learn. |
| 22:39.03 | Bushmills | starenka: because you may have added the directory where you put that executable to your path |
| 22:39.12 | nsadmin | trumpets9000, you speak of "the way I'm trying" |
| 22:39.35 | trumpets9000 | the way i'm failing |
| 22:39.42 | nsadmin | no one can comment on that without knowing what that is |
| 22:39.55 | nsadmin | is trying really hard here |
| 22:39.56 | starenka | Bushmills: true, it's in /usr/local/bin |
| 22:39.57 | Bushmills | try to quote :( |
| 22:40.06 | starenka | Bushmills: thanks, mate! |
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| 22:40.53 | trumpets9000 | success |
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| 22:42.00 | nsadmin | trumpets9000, good job... you figured it out |
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| 22:43.05 | trumpets9000 | ty for your "support" |
| 22:43.34 | nsadmin | which consisted of me moreorless kicking your ass into figuring it out :) |
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| 22:43.51 | trumpets9000 | lol its what everyone needs |
| 22:46.36 | nsadmin | now if you want to do something useful, you can take another look at the man page, and read -only- the section headings |
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| 22:47.29 | trumpets9000 | my goal is to parse out events from emailed logs and record for historical purposes the IP addresses of said events |
| 22:47.56 | SolomonKull | trumpets9000: grep |
| 22:48.14 | nsadmin | oh, ok... there might be log parsers out there already |
| 22:48.17 | antivirtel | Hi! Please help me, answer my question: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/14841/fail2ban-block-with-iptables-doesnt-work-on-debian-lenny ! |
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| 22:49.11 | trumpets9000 | i would prefer to use a log parser, but how to get the logs to the log parser from the maildirs |
| 22:49.21 | trumpets9000 | using mpop to pull them down |
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| 22:49.44 | SolomonKull | Perl or Python or BASH all work. Script something. |
| 22:49.46 | Bushmills | check out mail.info or mail.log |
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| 22:51.02 | antivirtel | is away: ~ |
| 22:51.09 | Bushmills | sed or awk would prolly do nicely |
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| 22:51.37 | SolomonKull | Probably. "Prolly" is not a word. Not an English word, anyway. |
| 22:51.54 | nsadmin | antivirtel, I've been running fail2ban for years on lenny |
| 22:52.07 | trumpets9000 | glad we ain't speakin any english here then |
| 22:52.30 | Bushmills | u r rite, SolomonKull |
| 22:52.33 | SolomonKull | Hide your daughters, hide yoru wife, they be spellin' words up in here. |
| 22:52.35 | trumpets9000 | o noes |
| 22:52.56 | nsadmin | looking at /var/log/auth.log, it shows it's working |
| 22:52.57 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:53.07 | nsadmin | that's all you ever say :)( |
| 22:53.48 | robblesz | I'm having a problem on a couple of Lenny servers that I upgraded to Squeeze. None of the changes I make to /etc/security/limits.conf are applying to system daemons. For example, /proc/<pid>/limits shows 1024 nofile hard and soft limits, even though root and all other users are 261144 |
| 22:53.59 | robblesz | Does anyone know why limits.conf is misbehaving? |
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| 22:54.41 | robblesz | I can restart a system daemon with "sudo /etc/init.d/<program> restart" and it will pick up the corrent limits |
| 22:54.52 | Bushmills | SolomonKull: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/dict.cgi?prolly |
| 22:55.22 | SolomonKull | Bushmills: German is not English. |
| 22:55.30 | trumpets9000 | o no u dient |
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| 22:55.43 | Bushmills | that's english *to* german, |
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| 22:56.06 | SolomonKull | That is an English word, and when used as an adjective in German it changes to wahrscheinlich. |
| 22:56.10 | SolomonKull | German word* |
| 22:56.16 | SolomonKull | German noun* |
| 22:58.54 | Bushmills | i let you believe that, rather than starting to debate that with you |
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| 22:59.07 | trumpets9000 | DEBATE |
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| 22:59.27 | nsadmin | the main thing is, people are here who like to help |
| 22:59.38 | nsadmin | don't do anything to make that difficult |
| 22:59.41 | SolomonKull | wahrscheinlich is a german word, and adjective for the word "probably", which is a word that the lazy and the idiotic spell as "prolly" |
| 22:59.50 | SolomonKull | an adjective* |
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| 23:00.40 | Bushmills | you're prolly a language fascist |
| 23:00.50 | Tramp | and it's and adverb |
| 23:00.57 | SolomonKull | No, but I am a grammar Nazi. |
| 23:01.04 | lapsusbrutus | lols |
| 23:01.20 | SolomonKull | Tramp: adjective. |
| 23:01.44 | nsadmin | adjective and adverb! |
| 23:01.48 | Tramp | "probable" is an adjective. "probably" is an adverb |
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| 23:02.28 | SolomonKull | "Probably small. Maybe large". <--- Adjectives. |
| 23:02.38 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 23:02.38 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 23:02.46 | nsadmin | adjective in addition to also plus and adverb! |
| 23:03.16 | trumpets9000 | ...the horror... |
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| 23:03.59 | trumpets9000 | i think awk will work well for my task |
| 23:04.07 | trumpets9000 | ty whoever suggested that |
| 23:04.07 | nsadmin | SolomonKull, "probably small" is a non-sentence coloquial phrase short for "probably it is small" |
| 23:04.20 | nsadmin | or seed |
| 23:04.22 | nsadmin | err |
| 23:04.24 | nsadmin | or sed |
| 23:05.20 | nsadmin | or more general scripting language having a sedlike capability, perl, python, tcl come to mind |
| 23:06.42 | trumpets9000 | should i be using mpop, is there something better to retrieve pop3 mail? |
| 23:07.07 | nsadmin | you could use fetchmail |
| 23:07.20 | nsadmin | not saying better or worse |
| 23:07.25 | Bushmills | forward it on server to a server of your own |
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| 23:09.01 | SolomonKull | nsadmin: "It's probably small." <--- This is. |
| 23:10.10 | trumpets9000 | its probably almost sometimes small but never always every time. |
| 23:10.29 | simonlnu | it's off-topic |
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| 23:10.37 | nsadmin | or "it probably is small" (here, "probably is" is the verb phrase) |
| 23:10.47 | simonlnu | it's also off-topic |
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| 23:11.52 | nsadmin | point is that here "probably" acts on "is" |
| 23:11.57 | s3a | Bushmills, i tried both to no success, re-installing would need me to re-install all its dependencies |
| 23:12.12 | s3a | Bushmills, do i actually have to do that? |
| 23:12.26 | SolomonKull | nsadmin: the grammar nerd inside of me says that probably should be surrounded by commas, making it a non-adverb. |
| 23:12.34 | trumpets9000 | you probably have to reinstall |
| 23:12.49 | s3a | trumpets9000, are you talking to me? |
| 23:12.55 | trumpets9000 | no sorry just an awful joke |
| 23:13.10 | SolomonKull | I have to leave this channel |
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| 23:14.14 | s3a | Bushmills, look at this: http://pastebin.com/qmBi7H1a |
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| 23:14.45 | Bushmills | s3a: the deps are still installed - after all, dpkg still thinks that the package is installed |
| 23:14.53 | s3a | is there a way to remove dpkg configuration files and have it remake the configuation without me screwing things up? |
| 23:15.27 | s3a | Bushmills, i did locate libwine or whatever before and removed them manually since sudo dpkg -P was not working |
| 23:15.54 | Bushmills | how did "not working" manifest? |
| 23:16.26 | s3a | Bushmills, wait let me remember |
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| 23:17.01 | s3a | Bushmills, it said what you said basically it's screwed up so i might need to reinstall then remove again |
| 23:17.02 | s3a | it = dpkg |
| 23:17.12 | s3a | and i tried to re-install but it wouldn't by itself |
| 23:17.19 | s3a | i think i needed to isntall it's co-dependencies |
| 23:17.31 | s3a | and instead i removed them using rm -rf and locate |
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| 23:17.53 | s3a | does dpkg have some kind of database file i can remove the particular program it thinks is there for? |
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| 23:18.22 | s3a | Bushmills, |
| 23:18.36 | Bushmills | indirectly. by installing, removing and purging packages |
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| 23:20.03 | nsadmin | unless you know exactly what you're doing you should let dpkg operate on its database |
| 23:20.05 | s3a | Bushmills, well can't i use some SQL skills? |
| 23:20.10 | nsadmin | but yes, there is one |
| 23:20.33 | nsadmin | it's not sql tables |
| 23:20.43 | s3a | nsadmin, what is it out of curiosity? |
| 23:20.44 | simonlnu | there's no sql involved |
| 23:20.49 | dokma | I've just booted knoppix and it works properly with my graphics card enabling me to use both displays in dual head mode |
| 23:20.49 | nsadmin | flat files |
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| 23:21.05 | dokma | Now I'd like to copy this setup to my Debian hdd install |
| 23:21.15 | nsadmin | text files that have rules |
| 23:21.18 | dokma | but xorg.conf doesn't even list which driver is used |
| 23:21.33 | simonlnu | Xorg.*.log does |
| 23:21.34 | dokma | is there any way to query xorg to find out which driver is in use? |
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| 23:21.44 | dokma | simonlnu: ahhh.... yes of course |
| 23:21.46 | s3a | nsadmin, what's the text file called? |
| 23:22.05 | nsadmin | not xure what they're all called |
| 23:22.18 | simonlnu | !status |
| 23:22.18 | dpkg | Since Sat Jun 11 11:05:03 2011, there have been 0 modifications, 55 questions, 4 dunnos, 1 moron and 10 commands. I have been awake for 12h 17m 15s this session, and currently reference 39438 factoids. I'm using about 18048 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 45.47/2.24 child 0/0 |
| 23:22.30 | s3a | nsadmin, i can't find a .dpkg folder in home or in config |
| 23:22.34 | simonlnu | not that one.. |
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| 23:22.54 | simonlnu | !debian status |
| 23:23.05 | simonlnu | !dpkg status |
| 23:23.05 | dpkg | Since Sat Jun 11 11:05:03 2011, there have been 0 modifications, 55 questions, 4 dunnos, 1 moron and 10 commands. I have been awake for 12h 18m 2s this session, and currently reference 39438 factoids. I'm using about 18048 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 45.54/2.25 child 0/0 |
| 23:23.23 | nsadmin | the really easy thing to look at is man dpkg |
| 23:23.34 | antiwire | how is the moron value determined? |
| 23:23.49 | trumpets9000 | i too am curious of these metrics |
| 23:23.53 | nsadmin | that should list all files dpkg reads or writes other than individual packages |
| 23:24.43 | nsadmin | something dpkg can't parse (but dpkg the bot doesn't say "moron" anymore) |
| 23:24.49 | simonlnu | *ANYway* it's /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 23:25.22 | s3a | simonlnu, o my error said that! |
| 23:26.28 | s3a | simonlnu, Bushmills, is this the part I want to remove?: http://pastebin.com/N1c0DmQU |
| 23:26.56 | Bushmills | s3a: i don't know what you want to remove |
| 23:28.23 | Bushmills | and i surely don't see any "part" in your output |
| 23:29.01 | s3a | Bushmills, libwine-alsa-unstable if i remember correctly |
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| 23:29.14 | s3a | Bushmills, i grep-ed the part to remove |
| 23:29.19 | s3a | the portion of the text file |
| 23:29.57 | Bushmills | that's not a portion of that file - those are the lines matching the string "libwine" |
| 23:29.59 | Arrowmaster | you better back up that file |
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| 23:31.47 | nsadmin | you should let dpkg operate on its files, you should not unless you know what you're doing |
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| 23:32.31 | simonlnu | if you have to ask... don't do it |
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| 23:35.39 | s3a | 1) i will make a back up 2) if i screw up, it's just package management that gets screwed up right? (i'd be able to boot and use my OS to fix the problem, right?) |
| 23:35.40 | Cisien | horray insomnia |
| 23:36.05 | nsadmin | s3a, why would you have to reboot? |
| 23:36.19 | Bushmills | able to boot, yes. able to fix, depends |
| 23:36.38 | s3a | well to fix all i need to do is put the backup file there |
| 23:36.41 | s3a | right? |
| 23:36.51 | Arrowmaster | as long as you dont make any other changes |
| 23:36.53 | s3a | and remove the screwed up version |
| 23:36.58 | nsadmin | I'm now leaning towards "try this on a total throwaway installation" |
| 23:37.08 | nsadmin | then throw it away |
| 23:37.49 | s3a | nsadmin, this computer is not mission-critical like my laptop, it would be a PITA at most if things go wrong |
| 23:37.58 | s3a | but ya |
| 23:38.06 | s3a | i think i will try to live cd or virtualize this |
| 23:38.08 | s3a | first |
| 23:38.28 | s3a | i rather waste my time setting up a virtual OS then having to fix all this |
| 23:38.32 | s3a | ya sorry for talking a lot |
| 23:39.42 | Bushmills | have you tried to simply purge the package? |
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| 23:54.08 | deniz_ | Bushmills, yes a long time ago |
| 23:54.14 | deniz_ | ill be back |
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| 23:59.23 | sh4g0 | the debian's mirror don't work on my netinst? someone knows why? |
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| 23:59.40 | gnarface | sh4g0: which mirror? |
