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| 00:13.30 | callen | so I want to replace the current gcc, g++, and gfortran compilers that are 4.4 with 4.5 |
| 00:13.39 | callen | if I install gcc, g++, and gfortran, it skips to 4.6 |
| 00:13.48 | abrotman | in what? |
| 00:13.49 | callen | if I install 4.5 for each explicitly, it won't have the alternatives/symlinks to 4.5 installed |
| 00:14.03 | callen | abrotman: in what what? |
| 00:14.16 | abrotman | squeeze? sid? |
| 00:14.20 | callen | testing |
| 00:14.22 | callen | so squeeze? |
| 00:14.46 | callen | you'll have to excuse my ignorance, I'm a programmer arriving post-mortem at this machine, fixing a build. |
| 00:15.06 | callen | so I need to point the alternatives at 4.5, but I'd rather not jigger the symlinks manually |
| 00:15.09 | callen | for obvious reasons |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | testing is currently wheezy |
| 00:15.18 | callen | okay, wheezy. |
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| 00:15.27 | callen | whatever testing is, deference accordingly to get your answer. |
| 00:15.39 | callen | but I don't have the symlinks unless I install the meta-packages gcc, g++, gfortran |
| 00:15.46 | callen | but that skips to 4.6, which breaks a few things |
| 00:16.00 | callen | so how do I force it to use version 4.5? |
| 00:16.19 | Black_Prince | callen, maybe this can help you http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/118 |
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| 00:17.08 | callen | that's a bit perverse |
| 00:17.19 | callen | I don't want any stateful changes to the machine that aren't part of the packaging system |
| 00:17.30 | callen | that is, preferably apt-get install would accept a force-version parameter of some sort. |
| 00:17.41 | Black_Prince | ,versions gcc |
| 00:17.42 | judd | Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.6.0-5; wheezy: 4:4.6.0-5 |
| 00:17.49 | callen | why does it allow me to install gcc-4.5 and g++-4.5 if it won't let me make them the default? |
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| 00:18.11 | Black_Prince | compilers can be changed with environment variables |
| 00:18.14 | callen | it's such a simple concept, and one that seem to be common. |
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| 00:18.20 | Black_Prince | export CC=gcc-4.5 |
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| 00:18.22 | callen | it must be the system-wide default |
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| 00:18.28 | callen | I'm not hacking it up with env-vars |
| 00:18.39 | callen | the stuff being built will gleefully ignore those. |
| 00:18.48 | callen | the symlink must translate into the gcc-4.5 etc binaries. |
| 00:18.57 | callen | the packaging system is doing this for me already |
| 00:19.03 | callen | I just need to do it for a diff version. |
| 00:19.29 | Black_Prince | *shrug* |
| 00:19.38 | gNewPower | Hi guys, please do not flame me for an offensive question, but is it possible that in the future Ubuntu's "Unity" (which I don't care for) would end up in the Debian repos? What about the Ubunty software center (which I do like)? Does the Ubuntu/Canonical stuff eventually end up in Debian repos or not? |
| 00:19.45 | Black_Prince | dpkg-divert is debian way ... I don't know what else do you want ... |
| 00:20.01 | callen | dpkg-divert just redirects it to a damned shell-script |
| 00:20.06 | callen | which is no better than making my own symlinks |
| 00:20.10 | callen | which is precisely what I wanted to avoid |
| 00:20.30 | ZitZ | gNewPower: software center is in the repos, unity could easily end up in debian as well |
| 00:20.32 | abrotman | gNewPower: it could, but so could lots of other things .. |
| 00:20.37 | Black_Prince | /usr/bin/gcc is symlink by itself, installed by gcc package. |
| 00:20.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | gNewPower: it does if someone wants to package it |
| 00:20.44 | gNewPower | ok. thanks for the reply. |
| 00:20.51 | gNewPower | I did not mean to offend anyone :-) |
| 00:21.00 | callen | Black_Prince: right, and I don't get the symlink unless I allow it to install 4.6 |
| 00:21.00 | ZitZ | i don't think you did |
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| 00:21.07 | gNewPower | thanks! |
| 00:21.12 | callen | Black_Prince: I want it to install the symlink for 4.5 as well, and I can't do that with the gcc-4.5 package. |
| 00:21.40 | Black_Prince | I told you the way, but you want to do it ... All you can do is complain, but it won't make things go better. |
| 00:22.05 | Black_Prince | There is no other way, unless you have the magic wand. (install imagemagick, maybe it'll help you :P) |
| 00:22.17 | callen | Black_Prince: what you described is no better than making my own symlink. It's not a solution if you're just murdering the patient. |
| 00:22.34 | Black_Prince | callen, do you see any other choice? |
| 00:22.51 | gNewPower | may I ask another 'daring' question: I have installed CrunchBang (a pre-configured Debian with Deb repos) and I like it a lot. Do the "pure" Debian folks consider this as "part of Debian" or am I liable of get the "not Debian - go away!" kind of reactions around here? |
| 00:22.59 | abrotman | gNewPower: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609278 |
| 00:23.06 | callen | Black_Prince: yeah, for apt to not be such a dick puncher. |
| 00:23.12 | abrotman | gNewPower: Crunchbang is NOT Debian, have a nice day |
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| 00:23.29 | gNewPower | abrotman, it actually is, but ok. |
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| 00:23.39 | abrotman | gNewPower: no, if it were, it would be called Debian, end of discussion |
| 00:24.03 | gNewPower | abrotman, you want to argue this one or should I drop it? |
| 00:24.06 | gnarface | gNewPower: uh... /topic? |
| 00:24.14 | Black_Prince | callen, package gcc yourself then ... |
| 00:24.25 | abrotman | gNewPower: it is not debian, end of discusssion, there is nothing to argue |
| 00:24.33 | gNewPower | abrotman, ok. |
| 00:24.35 | gNewPower | thanks |
| 00:24.41 | callen | Black_Prince: ah yes, the thermonuclear option of excuses for poor design. "Make a government yourself! Make an OS yourself!" |
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| 00:24.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell gNewPower about based on debian |
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| 00:25.51 | gNewPower | Kamping_Kaiser, gotcha. |
| 00:25.55 | gNewPower | cheers! |
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| 00:25.59 | yakamo | anyone point me in the direction of a site that will tell me how to setup HDMI |
| 00:26.01 | Black_Prince | callen, you can make an os for yourself that suits your needs ... |
| 00:26.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm, seems based on debian is too long now. last few chars are missing |
| 00:26.23 | gnarface | yakamo: if you find it let me know |
| 00:26.59 | callen | Black_Prince: E: Version '4.6' for 'gcc' was not found |
| 00:27.07 | callen | Black_Prince: the distro doesn't support its own fucking versioning system |
| 00:27.09 | yakamo | gnarface: im guessing your finding the same lack of info as me |
| 00:27.16 | callen | Black_Prince: that's inexcusable lazy for the most core package of any Linux system |
| 00:27.32 | gnarface | yakamo: i suspect that it may possibly not exist yet |
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| 00:28.04 | gnarface | on the subject of things that don't exist yet... |
| 00:28.10 | yakamo | gnarface: its kinda looking like it, ive been hunting around for a while now |
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| 00:28.49 | gnarface | does debian have tv capture drivers for any hardware that does better than s-video? I'm thinking specifically 3 component video YPbPr plugs |
| 00:29.15 | nevyn | gnarface: there are very few such devices supported. |
| 00:29.25 | nevyn | gnarface: but I think there are 1 or two maybe |
| 00:29.42 | gnarface | nevyn: what matters most to me is that they still exist for sale, retail, in the US |
| 00:30.01 | gnarface | nevyn: if in fact such a thing exists |
| 00:32.25 | CyL | Hi, I'm having a really hard time setting up my Broadcom BCM4312 on my laptop running Debian Squeeze 64bit. I am able to list all available networks within range, but no matter what I do, I'm not able to connect to them. I followed Debian guidelines while installing the driver, and downloaded them from the repositories. I already tried NetworkManager and Wicd (now using Wicd since I found it to be more verbose). I'm sure th |
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| 00:32.49 | abrotman | CyL: you keep getting trunccated |
| 00:32.55 | abrotman | CyL: what is 'uname -r' ? |
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| 00:33.05 | CyL | abrotman: at wich point? |
| 00:33.15 | abrotman | verbose). I'm sure th |
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| 00:34.03 | CyL | I'm sure the problem is specific to my computer, since I am able to connect other devices to these same AP's. I have a couple of logs at http://paste.debian.net/119683/ and http://paste.debian.net/119686/ Any advice would be much appreciated! |
| 00:34.15 | abrotman | CyL: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 00:34.24 | CyL | I thought that irssi would handle this |
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| 00:35.01 | CyL | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 00:35.12 | gnarface | CyL: when all else fails, flash the bios |
| 00:35.15 | abrotman | CyL: a) there is a .38 in backports.debian.org b) did you try without WPA ? |
| 00:35.21 | abrotman | gnarface: wtf, awful advice |
| 00:35.53 | gnarface | sorry |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | and it's a blob anyway! |
| 00:36.09 | cusco | yes I don't think flashing the bios (even if sucessfully) would help in any way |
| 00:36.09 | CyL | abrotman: Nope, only tried with WPA, but why should WPA fail? |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | CyL: i was just asking if you'd ruled out WPA as the problem |
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| 00:37.19 | CyL | abrotman: Well, in fact the whole thing worked once yesterday, but since it was late night, I shut down thw computer... it worked with WPA, so I think this rules out this one? |
| 00:37.20 | Black_Prince | CyL, from the second link 'wpa_supplicant authentication may have failed.' |
| 00:37.45 | gnarface | i had an old linksys router once and i had to switch it and my wii to use i think... tkip instead of AES for WPA2? |
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| 00:38.29 | gnarface | maybe it was wpa1 |
| 00:39.00 | epsilon | ehm, is there any package mirror for sarge? it's required by an ancient rescue boot cd |
| 00:39.07 | CyL | Well, so the advice is? |
| 00:39.16 | CyL | Try unsecured? |
| 00:39.17 | gnarface | CyL: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 00:39.18 | Black_Prince | epsilon, http://archive.debian.org |
| 00:39.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | epsilon: archive.d.o |
| 00:39.30 | Black_Prince | mhm |
| 00:39.34 | epsilon | ah |
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| 00:40.57 | abrotman | CyL: it's just to try it .. it's a simple change and a simple thing to eliminate |
| 00:41.35 | CyL | abrotman: of course, it is just that I got so many advices, that I would like to know what to try next... |
| 00:44.01 | CyL | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/ik7Zwvb7 |
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| 00:44.45 | jason404 | can I remap keyboard xterm shortcuts, so that Home and End keys work ? |
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| 00:45.36 | gnarface | jason404: probably, fyi the default is ctrl-a and ctrl-e though |
| 00:46.01 | jason404 | gnarface: yeah, I know those, and CTRL+D for delete forward |
| 00:46.17 | jason404 | but I need to swicth back and forth betwen windows consoles |
| 00:46.31 | jason404 | I have already made windows act more like linux in some ways |
| 00:46.38 | gnarface | i would imagine there is a way to do it with xset |
| 00:46.56 | CyL | abrotman: nope, same behaviour as before (interestingly wicd states that the auth failed even though this is an insecure AP) |
| 00:47.26 | gnarface | jason404: woops i mean set, not xset |
| 00:47.33 | abrotman | CyL: tried another tool to connect? could it be a wicd bug? (wifi-radar? network-manager?) |
| 00:47.49 | jason404 | gnarface: that does not seem to be installed by default. I thought there might be a way by editing bash profile? I don't want to make them system wide, in case something breaks |
| 00:47.49 | abrotman | CyL: as i mentioned before, also a .38 kernel which may work better in backports.debian.org |
| 00:47.53 | CyL | abrotman: Also tried NetworkManager, same strange behaviour |
| 00:48.11 | gnarface | jason404: that's what set is for. it should be there if you have bash installed |
| 00:48.20 | CyL | abrotman: will try that as a last resort... |
| 00:48.34 | jason404 | gnarface: yeah got it showing the variables |
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| 00:49.10 | CyL | abrotman: btw when you said a .38 I initially thought that yoou were making some kind of joke with gun calibers :) |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | i'm a funny guy! |
| 00:49.33 | Serpher | Hey, noobie question. I'm trying to create a new user but I'm not getting any basic files a new user would generally come with such as .bashrc. I copied another user's .bashrc to that homedir but that didn't work either. How am I suppost to go about this? |
| 00:49.40 | CyL | abrotman: also a very helpful one :) |
| 00:49.58 | abrotman | Serpher: adding them how ? |
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| 00:50.14 | Serpher | abrotman: useradd |
| 00:50.19 | abrotman | use adduser |
| 00:50.37 | abrotman | or read the useradd man page .. but adduser tries to do the right hting by default |
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| 00:50.47 | Serpher | I used useradd, then passwd, then mkdir /home/<username>, then chown <user>:user /home/<user> |
| 00:51.01 | abrotman | or just use adduser |
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| 00:51.36 | gnarface | Serpher: adduser will copy /etc/skel by default |
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| 00:52.49 | Serpher | abrotman: Didn't even know adduser existed. Thanks |
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| 00:55.10 | gimpy1328 | So one half of my mdadm RAID1 is missing from /proc/mdadm but the device is there and shows no problem. It also won't let me add it back in. http://pastebin.com/RFbA2mw9 |
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| 00:57.50 | CyL | abrotman: any further advice besides trying .38? |
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| 00:58.15 | abrotman | CyL: it can't hurt to try, you can remove it if it doesn't fix anything |
| 00:58.22 | abrotman | CyL: and/or look for newer firmware |
| 00:58.42 | CyL | abrotman: So I believe this counts as a last resort... I give it a try... |
| 00:58.54 | abrotman | CyL: last resort would be new hardware :) |
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| 00:59.17 | CyL | abrotman: Well, maybe this is just a good excuse to buy me new hardware :) |
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| 00:59.42 | abrotman | i think i have a 4312 device .. not in this box .. and it has issues with certain APs |
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| 01:00.34 | CyL | Is there some kind of best computer for linux use list? |
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| 01:00.51 | nevyn | What linus uses. |
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| 01:01.48 | jason404 | in bash ls, blue are directories, cyan are symlinks, but what are green files? |
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| 01:02.02 | somiaj | jason404: they have the +x bit on them (excacuables) |
| 01:02.13 | jason404 | somiaj: thanks |
| 01:02.48 | f00li5h[HireMe] | has anyone here set up user authentication with LDAP on a debian box, is there a recommended way etc? |
| 01:03.03 | f00li5h[HireMe] | i'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM at the moment... |
| 01:03.45 | CyL | Since I had never used backports before, the pinning is recommended only for those using lenny-backports-sloppy, right? |
| 01:03.54 | gimpy1328 | f00li5h[HireMe]: I usually make only SSH able to use LDAP (via PAM), but I don't remember what all needs changed on Deb to make it happen. |
| 01:04.52 | abrotman | CyL: you're using squeeze, not lenny |
| 01:05.30 | CyL | abrotman: sorry about this absurdity I just asked |
| 01:05.36 | abrotman | it's okay |
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| 01:07.45 | tharkun | Gentlemen how can i alter the dependencies that dpkg sees when installing a package? i ssb postfix to squeeze and dpkg complains about lots of stuff which are not relevant to the ssb |
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| 01:11.18 | somiaj | tharkun: you can --force dpkg to do things, but that isn't suggested. What are you doing that needs you to alter depends -- sounds like your trying to mix unoffical packages |
| 01:11.50 | gnarface | ssb? |
| 01:11.55 | tharkun | gnarface: yes |
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| 01:12.10 | tharkun | somiaj: postfix from sid to lenny |
| 01:12.29 | tharkun | somiaj: ok, you made the day thanks a lot |
| 01:12.40 | stew | tharkun: can you show us? |
| 01:12.54 | stew | you can --force dpkg, but it is only temporary, you have to fix it eventually |
| 01:13.11 | tharkun | stew: the chroot is for squeeze, the real target is lenny |
| 01:13.21 | somiaj | tharkun: so postfix build-depends in sid requires packages not avialble in lenny? |
| 01:13.33 | somiaj | tharkun: if you want to make a backport to lenny, build it on a lenny system. |
| 01:14.01 | tharkun | somiaj: Not that i know of. i just need to build a chroot for lenny and all things are good. Thanks for pointing me to the problem |
| 01:14.06 | stew | tharkun: what are the dependencies that you think are not relevant |
| 01:14.06 | somiaj | tharkun: so where exctally is your failure? Are you making a backport on squeese and then trying to isntall it on lenny? |
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| 01:14.58 | tharkun | stew, somiaj: building chroot is for i386 squeeze and the one i really need for this machine is i386 lenny. Stupid lack of sleep mistake. Thanks |
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| 01:15.53 | stew | echo sleep > /sys/power/state |
| 01:16.22 | tharkun | stew: thanks, I'll follow your advice asap |
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| 01:19.54 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:21.48 | jon8 | when adding iptable entries it resolves the ip to domain names.. even if domain names aren't even real.. how can force iptables to only care/store the actual ip address for the rule? |
| 01:22.23 | gnarface | i wanna know that too |
| 01:22.24 | gnarface | ! |
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| 01:23.31 | CyL | abrotman: I just installed .38 from the backports, but ths install script failed to install some modules (the script suggested to install the linux headers that match the new kernel), trying to install the headers, apt complains I must install linux-kbuild-2.6.38 first, but also says is it not installable ? |
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| 01:23.44 | abrotman | ugh .. damn it .. |
| 01:23.51 | newl | jon8 that is purely cosmetic iptables -nL |
| 01:24.16 | tharkun | jon8: use iptables-save it gives a far more consistent aproach |
| 01:24.47 | newl | it uses only the actual ips it is resolved when the rule is created |
| 01:25.16 | tharkun | CyL: pciid of your card is 14e4:4315 ? |
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| 01:27.19 | newl | /6/c |
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| 01:30.39 | CyL | tharkun: 14e4:4315, yep |
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| 01:31.10 | tharkun | it works with standard squeeze kernel |
| 01:31.32 | tharkun | i have it working at this momment. |
| 01:31.32 | CyL | tharkun: well, just following some advices... |
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| 01:31.55 | CyL | Unfortunatelly I'm lost in the middle of an unseucessfull kernel install |
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| 01:32.14 | tharkun | Can you roll back to your previous kernel? |
| 01:32.19 | CyL | I'd just like to purge this backported kernel |
| 01:32.21 | SolomonKull | tharkun: yes |
| 01:32.30 | SolomonKull | Just reboot and select it from grub |
| 01:32.32 | CyL | I'm almost sur I can, since I have not rebooted yet |
| 01:32.43 | abrotman | that's 4315 .. not 4312 |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | :4315 |
| 01:32.53 | abrotman | !4315 |
| 01:32.53 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> as of Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Lenny users, see <bcm4312 lenny>. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 is a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 01:33.00 | abrotman | or not ... |
| 01:33.36 | tharkun | CyL: anyway get rid of that kernel and then follo what abrotman just pasted above |
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| 01:34.43 | CyL | abrotman: 06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 01:34.52 | CyL | Thats is why I said it was a 4312 |
| 01:35.10 | shirish | hi all, can anybody how can I find a specific file which is a shared library in / |
| 01:35.11 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 01:35.35 | shirish | hi all, can anybody tell/share how can I find a specific file which is a shared library in / |
| 01:35.43 | dvs | CyL: paste what "dpkg -l firmware-b43*" says |
| 01:36.00 | tharkun | echo > /sys/power/state |
| 01:36.13 | gnarface | shirish: man find |
| 01:36.37 | newl | tharkun: you forget a 0/1 there ;) |
| 01:37.18 | shirish | gnarface: I have seen that, I know its the find command but the man page intimidating, confusing. |
| 01:37.36 | CyL | dvs: "ii firmware-b43-lpphy-instal 4.174.64.19-4 " I believe I have the correct package installed |
| 01:37.43 | newl | shirish: do you know the 'shared libraries name'? or what to get it's name |
| 01:37.57 | dvs | CyL: yup |
| 01:38.06 | newl | shirish you might try slocate it is easier |
| 01:38.12 | shirish | newl: its libapt-pkg.so.4.10 |
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| 01:38.46 | newl | shirish: updatedb ; slocate libapt-pkg |
| 01:38.57 | f0x90 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:39.36 | gnarface | shirish: you are right that man page sucks |
| 01:40.39 | gnarface | shirish: i typically just grep the output of find [path] |
| 01:40.54 | gnarface | shirish: but note that is much slower |
| 01:41.08 | shirish | is slocate installed by default ? |
| 01:41.13 | gnarface | no |
| 01:41.47 | gnarface | neither is updatedb |
| 01:41.56 | shirish | gnarface: I am stuck, any operation of installation and I get |
| 01:41.58 | CyL | How do I re-run the modules assistant script, the only thing that I can imagine is that when I upgraded from 32-4 to 32-5 something went wrong... |
| 01:41.58 | shirish | aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.4.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:42.07 | CyL | Maybe there is also a newer firmware |
| 01:42.26 | shirish | gnarface: so if you can help, would like to see how I can use find to find this library. |
| 01:42.32 | shirish | this shared library |
| 01:42.48 | gnarface | shirish: why on earth are you missing that? |
| 01:43.00 | shirish | gnarface: I have no idea. |
| 01:43.14 | shirish | gnarface: and I have no idea how to get it back. |
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| 01:43.56 | dvs | CyL: testing/unstable has a different numbering system so it's hard to tell. |
| 01:44.23 | newl | hahah you are in the position of needing your car to drive to the car parts place to get missing spark plugs |
| 01:44.38 | CyL | dvs: Well, I thought that maybe just re-running the script would make things go |
| 01:44.58 | shirish | gnarface: any ideas ? |
| 01:45.16 | dvs | CyL: re-running the script will probably download the same version. Is that what you want? |
| 01:45.17 | gnarface | shirish: uh... do you have the apt and apt-utils packages installed? |
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| 01:45.49 | CyL | dvs: at lest give a chance for the script to recompile the module, I'm near desperation now.. |
| 01:46.02 | shirish | gnarface: yup, both of them are there. |
| 01:46.07 | CyL | dvs: the NIC simply stopped working |
| 01:46.16 | gnarface | shingouz: ls -l /usr/lib/libapt* |
| 01:46.17 | gnarface | ? |
| 01:46.17 | e_a_b | I'm having problems with Postfix+LDAP on a Squeeze machine, the exact same config works on a Lenny machine so I'm thinking it has to do with the new nslcd stuff in Squeeze. Anyone run into anything like this before? |
| 01:46.17 | shirish | gnarface: maybe some update or something else took it out. |
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| 01:47.15 | gnarface | shirish: sorry that was for you... ls -l /usr/lib/libapt* returns what? |
| 01:47.20 | shirish | gnarface: $ ls -l /usr/lib/libapt* |
| 01:47.20 | shirish | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Apr 16 18:11 /usr/lib/libapt-inst.so.1.2 -> libapt-inst.so.1.2.0 |
| 01:47.22 | gnarface | shingouz: nevermind sorry |
| 01:47.23 | shirish | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 83200 Apr 16 18:14 /usr/lib/libapt-inst.so.1.2.0 |
| 01:47.51 | dvs | CyL: It might work but I doubt that it would |
| 01:48.29 | shirish | gnarface: possible perhaps just rebooting would make the problem go away ? |
| 01:48.43 | CyL | dvs: Well, I'm so frustrated that I got to the point of trying anything that won't hurt but could make things work |
| 01:48.53 | newl | shirish: wrong |
| 01:49.07 | gnarface | shirish: no you should force reinstall. try using apt-get |
| 01:49.36 | gnarface | shirish: apt-get --reinstall install apt |
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| 01:49.39 | gnarface | shirish: i think |
| 01:49.48 | gnarface | shirish: make sure you do apt-get update first |
| 01:49.59 | gnarface | uh |
| 01:50.04 | gnarface | wait that's not gonna work huh? |
| 01:50.17 | shirish | gnarface: nope, it didn't. |
| 01:50.45 | newl | he had to have removed it or odds are the links would still be there |
| 01:50.50 | CyL | The support page for the b43 drivers says BCM4312 (linux-kernel 2.6.32 is needed, 2.6.33 or latter is recommended) |
| 01:51.05 | CyL | Maybe I should indeed upgrade (if that was possible) |
| 01:51.37 | gnarface | shirish: well you can download the apt deb.... |
| 01:51.40 | dvs | CyL: I would get the backported kernel |
| 01:51.45 | gnarface | shirish: maybe its still in your cache |
| 01:52.04 | shirish | gnarface: I have no problem downloading the apt.deb |
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| 01:52.10 | CyL | dvs: Well, I also would, if I could install the kernel from he backports repositories |
| 01:53.22 | CyL | dvs: apt complains that linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 have unmatched dependencies, so I cannot install it |
| 01:53.50 | gnarface | shirish: well did you download it and run dpkg -i on it? |
| 01:54.18 | shirish | gnarface: doing it, my connection is not so fast, so takes time. |
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| 01:54.48 | gnarface | shirish: you should keep a backup |
| 01:55.52 | shirish | gnarface: give me 5 minutes, will come back. |
| 01:56.09 | dvs | CyL: Ah, linux-kbuild-2.6.38 is not available |
| 01:56.17 | shirish | gnarface: the connection has been for 8 + hours (ADSL) so sometimes it acts up. |
| 01:56.18 | newl | shirish: enjoy the reboot lol |
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| 01:56.49 | CyL | dvs: so, no free donut for me, right? |
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| 01:57.07 | abrotman | donut day was two weeks ago |
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| 01:57.20 | dvs | CyL: well, it's in testing and unstable |
| 01:57.21 | CyL | abrotman: In Brazil we don't have a donut day |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | CyL: you don't have cops? :) |
| 01:57.46 | CyL | dvs: will not mess that much with my system |
| 01:58.07 | dvs | K |
| 01:58.20 | CyL | dvs: cops here don't get donuts... in fact donuts are not even well know in most part of the country, it is an american specialty for us |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | wonders if dvs cares about the cops in brasil |
| 01:58.56 | dvs | A foreign delicacy? |
| 01:59.04 | abrotman | dvs: just wait til they discover poutine! |
| 01:59.19 | dvs | oh gawd! |
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| 01:59.54 | newl | ludafisck flavored donuts -that is a foreign delicacy - cinamon donuts are a staple |
| 02:00.07 | abrotman | lutefisk? ludefisk? |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | doesn't know any country that spells it ludafisck |
| 02:00.25 | gnarface | blech |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | (and lutefisk really isn't that bad) |
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| 02:01.40 | shirish | back |
| 02:01.46 | shirish | and things are back to normal. |
| 02:01.55 | newl | yea lye flavored sardines - yum |
| 02:02.07 | dvs | yuck! |
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| 02:02.10 | shirish | just installing did the apt.deb did the trick. |
| 02:02.13 | CyL | This is so frustrating |
| 02:02.14 | abrotman | newl: i know what they are .. you spelled it wrong |
| 02:02.19 | abrotman | or what it is |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | and it's not sardinds |
| 02:02.24 | abrotman | sardines |
| 02:02.32 | shirish | thank you everybody |
| 02:02.38 | shirish | off for now . |
| 02:02.40 | shirish | out |
| 02:02.42 | gnarface | shirish: hooraaaay! but the question remains... where did the other copy of that library go? |
| 02:02.50 | shirish | gnarface: thank you. |
| 02:02.57 | shirish | gnarface: no idea. |
| 02:02.59 | dvs | notes that getting Squeeze onto his Toshiba was a *real* pain. |
| 02:03.12 | newl | i'm guessing you put ludafisck in an orifice besides your pie hole lol\ |
| 02:03.14 | abrotman | did the toshiba fight back ? |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | my nose? |
| 02:03.46 | dvs | Darn right it did! |
| 02:03.50 | shirish | the thing is my little sister also has access to this machine. so possibly she might have removed it as well. |
| 02:04.16 | shirish | frankly I had no idea about this shared library. |
| 02:05.04 | shirish | gnarface: ah, now I see its an integral part of the apt.deb |
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| 02:05.13 | CyL | Any other good place to yell for help on this very moment guys? |
| 02:05.30 | shirish | gnarface: dpkg -L apt tells all. |
| 02:05.38 | shirish | thank you all, again. |
| 02:05.43 | shirish | call for breakfast. |
| 02:05.48 | shirish | out. |
| 02:05.48 | gnarface | shirish: indeed it does. cheers |
| 02:05.58 | newl | libs don't disappear and reappear unless you umounted the partition they might have been on |
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| 02:06.26 | gnarface | seems weird he had the apt-utils lib but not the apt lib |
| 02:06.34 | newl | right |
| 02:06.37 | gnarface | seems like someone purposefully castrated the system |
| 02:06.46 | abrotman | or mixed system |
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| 02:10.13 | rhenani | hello guys |
| 02:10.15 | rhenani | i got problem |
| 02:10.25 | gnarface | we all got problems |
| 02:10.32 | rhenani | I recently installed google-earht |
| 02:10.53 | rhenani | from:http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html |
| 02:11.10 | gnarface | hmm. been a while since i installed google earth |
| 02:11.21 | gnarface | so what's the problem? get to it man! |
| 02:11.24 | rhenani | but know i want to uninstall it because when i type to search for an adress |
| 02:11.41 | rhenani | little squarez appear |
| 02:12.00 | gnarface | rhenani: oh? |
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| 02:12.37 | rhenani | yeah it seems like when you read something in other lenguage that you don't have install, little squarez appear insted |
| 02:12.41 | gnarface | rhenani: well all you need is the package name and you can type dpkg --purge [package name] |
| 02:13.08 | rhenani | same thing but it's around the part where you the the adress to search |
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| 02:15.00 | rhenani | gnarface: have you have problems with it? |
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| 02:16.10 | gnarface | rhenani: with what? google earth? no i didn't have that problem with it but it was an old version. |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | there is a google-earth package |
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| 02:19.53 | rhenani | this is my problem guys: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/googleearth008.png/ |
| 02:20.19 | rhenani | does anyone have an idea why is that? |
| 02:20.25 | newl | isn't that lady gaga's house? rhenani? |
| 02:20.58 | gnarface | rhenani: fix your fonts? |
| 02:21.14 | rhenani | gnarface: How could i do that? |
| 02:21.26 | rhenani | gnarface: Because before |
| 02:21.52 | rhenani | gnarface: I used to have it but I opened it today and it gives me this problem |
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| 02:24.28 | gnarface | rhenani: i have no idea. did you install some new fonts? screw with your gtk or qt theme? switch window managers or font servers? |
| 02:24.41 | gnarface | rhenani: did you change locales? is your locale not UTF-8? |
| 02:24.53 | gnarface | rhenani: did your locale used to be something other than UTF-8? |
| 02:24.58 | newl | check your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 02:25.23 | rhenani | gnarface: I thin I did |
| 02:25.24 | CyL | Should I try putting something into /etc/network/interfaces for the wireless to work? |
| 02:25.38 | gnarface | CyL: yes |
| 02:25.50 | gnarface | CyL: make sure networkmanager is uninstalled first though |
| 02:25.56 | CyL | gnarface: what should it be? |
| 02:26.09 | CyL | gnarface: networkmanager is uninstalled, but wicd is installed |
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| 02:27.19 | gnarface | CyL: did you fix your firmware issue or whatever it was? |
| 02:27.48 | gnarface | rhenani: exit all the way back out to the prompt |
| 02:27.50 | rhenani | gnarface: How it make sure all that |
| 02:27.59 | gnarface | rhenani: log all the way back in fresh |
| 02:28.07 | rhenani | gnarface: ok |
| 02:28.09 | gnarface | rhenani: then see if you still have the problem |
| 02:28.23 | newl | hands gnarface his left over bag of ludafisck to feed abrotman with :) cya |
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| 02:28.51 | abrotman | one les ... |
| 02:29.17 | gnarface | CyL: it looks just like a normal entry but with a couple extra parameters to pass your wireless SSID and your password and stuff |
| 02:29.46 | CyL | gnarface: I don't know yet what my issue is... |
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| 02:32.13 | rhenani | gnarface: I think i did something because i was trying to install a japanse font but i don't remember what i did |
| 02:32.22 | rhenani | how do i check if my local font is ok |
| 02:32.26 | rhenani | i don't remember |
| 02:33.14 | gnarface | rhenani: sorry i don't know, but i suspect you may have changed your locale inappropriately - what does it say when you type "locale charmap" ? |
| 02:34.35 | rhenani | gnarface: UTF-8 |
| 02:35.13 | gnarface | rhenani: well that's what its supposed to say |
| 02:35.32 | gnarface | rhenani: did you UNinstall your other fonts when you installed that japanese font? |
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| 02:35.50 | gnarface | rhenani: maybe you should install a few basic font packages just to be sure |
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| 02:39.44 | DammitJim | how can one be so dumb to forget the computer's root password? |
| 02:40.20 | gnarface | miss-type it the same way twice? |
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| 02:40.33 | DammitJim | no, I set up this server about 2 months ago |
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| 02:40.42 | DammitJim | and I can't freakin' remember the password ugh |
| 02:40.56 | gnarface | something at the time you thought you wouldn't forget |
| 02:41.13 | gnarface | so sit where you were sitting when you made it up and think about what you were thinking about then |
| 02:41.17 | pickcoder | just boot a live CD, chroot and change it |
| 02:41.41 | gnarface | bah livecd, just reboot it in single user mode and run passwd |
| 02:41.52 | DammitJim | this is a linkstation pro |
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| 02:42.08 | DammitJim | I think I'm going to have to take the hard drive out and mount it on another machine... *sigh* |
| 02:42.20 | pickcoder | single-user often requires root pass |
| 02:42.22 | DammitJim | I hate having to think |
| 02:42.23 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 02:42.39 | gnarface | pickcoder: since when? |
| 02:43.01 | DammitJim | another quickie... let's say I have mounted an nfs, but the NFS server went offline and now it's a different IP address |
| 02:43.11 | pickcoder | maybe I'm thinking RH |
| 02:43.26 | DammitJim | nevermind... stupid question and a waste of your time |
| 02:43.27 | pickcoder | has had some liquor tonite |
| 02:45.05 | DammitJim | man, doing an ls on a drive that is no longer mounted is bad... can't even Ctrl + C to get out |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | kill the parent |
| 02:45.48 | DammitJim | how do I do that? |
| 02:45.58 | DammitJim | I mean... is that a kill command thing? |
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| 02:48.09 | DammitJim | can't umount it |
| 02:48.12 | DammitJim | device is busy |
| 02:48.26 | pickcoder | lsof | grep /dev/whatever |
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| 02:49.29 | DammitJim | it's an nfs mount |
| 02:50.07 | pickcoder | can you open another shell and kill that one? |
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| 02:51.34 | woodworks | hey D-Jim is that what your father called you? i remember that saying excpt w/ dave |
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| 02:58.39 | DammitJim | pickcoder, I'm ssh'd in |
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| 02:58.57 | DammitJim | lsof hung, too |
| 02:59.18 | pickcoder | you'll have to reboot it and have the mount fail |
| 02:59.35 | pickcoder | I've never been able to figure out how to get around a hung nfs mount |
| 03:00.20 | DammitJim | what process holds that mount? |
| 03:00.23 | DammitJim | rpc.mountd? |
| 03:00.36 | pickcoder | more than likely |
| 03:00.48 | pickcoder | I guess you can just kill it and see |
| 03:00.52 | DammitJim | lol |
| 03:00.53 | DammitJim | oh gosh |
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| 03:01.26 | pickcoder | yeah it's the nfs mount daemon |
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| 03:03.14 | DammitJim | hhmmm... after killing it, I'mk still in busy state |
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| 03:04.01 | pickcoder | since it's a kernel-space thing you are probably better off cycling it |
| 03:04.13 | pickcoder | nfs is a pain when the remote is not playing nice |
| 03:04.59 | pickcoder | or get that connection back up temp |
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| 03:07.06 | CyL | I This is strange as hell, but I was able to connect to the AP, and some seconds later the connection just dropped.. |
| 03:07.40 | CyL | Now it is obvious to me that the linux kernel is missing the probe responses from the AP, so I believe this is a driver problem |
| 03:07.55 | CyL | How do I report that? |
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| 03:08.28 | pickcoder | CyL: bugs.debian.org |
| 03:08.54 | CyL | pickcoder: even though this is probably related to the kernel? |
| 03:09.15 | pickcoder | Debian includes kernel patches for specific versions it releases |
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| 03:09.28 | pickcoder | you can check for an upstream fix and request a backport |
| 03:09.34 | pickcoder | or submit your own |
| 03:10.05 | CyL | pickcoder: I'm not so keen to linux yet |
| 03:10.26 | CyL | I believe someone could also help me identify this is indeed a kernel driver bug |
| 03:10.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | CyL: are you running the stock kenrel or a backport? |
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| 03:12.39 | CyL | Kamping_Kaiser: stock kernel |
| 03:12.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | CyL: pehraps try the one in backports and see if that resolves the issue |
| 03:13.11 | pickcoder | CyL: what version of Debian |
| 03:13.26 | CyL | Kamping_Kaiser: thaere are unmatched dependencies on the backports that won't let me install the backported kernel |
| 03:13.35 | CyL | pickcoder: Squeeze 64 bit |
| 03:14.02 | pickcoder | which driver is it |
| 03:14.10 | DammitJim | got it! |
| 03:14.11 | DammitJim | woohoo |
| 03:14.52 | CyL | pickcoder: b43 |
| 03:15.03 | pickcoder | eek |
| 03:15.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | eep |
| 03:15.23 | pickcoder | that's a moving target |
| 03:15.35 | Mad7Scientist | I sshed in to my server as root and i can't run "xcalc" on the local X server running as root |
| 03:15.40 | Mad7Scientist | gnome is logged in as root |
| 03:15.47 | Mad7Scientist | I did DISPLAY=:0 xcalc |
| 03:15.56 | pickcoder | I had 2 systems with broadcom and I ended up running ndiswrapper until I could get a decent nic |
| 03:16.03 | CyL | pickcoder: what does this means? |
| 03:16.09 | Mad7Scientist | DISPLAY=localhost:0 xcalcrnError: Can't open display: localhost:0 |
| 03:16.22 | CyL | pickcoder: about the moving target |
| 03:16.24 | Mad7Scientist | or without localhost |
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| 03:16.34 | pickcoder | firmware and/or chipset changes happen all of the time |
| 03:17.08 | Mad7Scientist | DISPLAY=:0.0 xcalcrnNo protocol specifiedrnError: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 03:17.19 | pickcoder | if it's not a PCIID change for the same chip it's a firmware change on current ones |
| 03:17.45 | CyL | pickcoder: here I was asking for advice on how to rerun the install scripts... I'm getting a strange DMA fatal error, I believe this is what is causing my NIC to malfunction |
| 03:19.18 | pickcoder | I, personally, don't like ndiswrapper but sometimes it's the only stable option for recent hardware from vendors like bcom |
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| 03:19.57 | pickcoder | you can steal the firmware and inf from the latest windows driver but you'll need to also grab the latest ndiswrapper code and compile it, if you want a well supported option |
| 03:20.08 | CyL | pickcoder: in fact this is an old laptop, on which the card worked perfectly with ubuntu, gentoo and now debian for some time |
| 03:20.15 | pickcoder | really? |
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| 03:20.29 | CyL | pickcoder: yes, and the card simply stopped working |
| 03:21.33 | CyL | pickcoder: I can't connect for sure one thing to another, but I believe this may be relate to the upgrade from the 32-4 kernel to 32-5 in the repositories |
| 03:21.48 | CyL | pickcoder: since it stopped working on an aproximate date |
| 03:21.49 | jhutchins_lt | Hardware failure. |
| 03:22.07 | pickcoder | more than likely |
| 03:22.10 | jhutchins_lt | Pfftzitz. |
| 03:22.19 | CyL | jhutchins_lt: if this was hardware failue it won't give me some seconds of connecticy before a fatal DMA error on the driver |
| 03:22.34 | karlpinc | CyL: Sure it would. Heat. |
| 03:22.40 | jhutchins_lt | If you let the magic smoke out, it doesn't work any more. |
| 03:22.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | what do you mean between 32-4 and 32-5? we're at 34 atm |
| 03:22.57 | jhutchins_lt | ,keernels |
| 03:23.06 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 03:23.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 03:23.19 | CyL | Kamping_Kaiser: 2.6.32-5-amd64, and I am ap to date with the repositories |
| 03:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | Remember that patches are backported in debian. |
| 03:23.48 | pickcoder | CyL: I'd try ndiswrapper just for kicks to see if it works |
| 03:25.05 | pickcoder | worst case: you prove it's hardware.. best case: you prove it's the kernel driver |
| 03:25.21 | CyL | pickcoder: I will try that next, kust would like to have my modules rebuilt, but can't remember how to invoke the scripts |
| 03:26.08 | CyL | pickcoder: maybe I should just try another live distro |
| 03:26.16 | pickcoder | sure, why not |
| 03:26.50 | pickcoder | bed time.. ttyl |
| 03:26.52 | CyL | pickcoder: will try that, but could you please assist me on the module recompilation before I try this? |
| 03:27.01 | CyL | Or anyone else? |
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| 03:28.42 | karlpinc | Is there a way to search the bts for bugs that are in squeeze, regardless of whether they're fixed in sid/wheezy? |
| 03:28.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | you should be able to use make deb-pkg (or whatever upstreams deb target is) to build it directly from the source tree. else the debian kenrel teams wiki pages explain it all |
| 03:29.14 | karlpinc | Or lenny for that matter. |
| 03:29.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: by looking at the version info, or for relelase specific tags. not sure about other ways |
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| 03:31.40 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: Version info is plenty awkward, or so it seems to me. If I ask for the tag "squeeze" does that mean it's reported in squeeze? If so that's not good enough, it could be leftover from lenny or found in wheezy. |
| 03:32.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: don't know, i haven't ever bothered to look into it.w |
| 03:32.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | what are you after the data for? it might already eist (eg, in udd) |
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| 03:34.08 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: I run stable. When I look for bugs I make a pracice of looking at all bugs, archived or not, because that's the only way I know to find a bug that I might have. This is ugly because I get bugs that are fixed in earlier releases. |
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| 03:34.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: hm, not sure how to deal with that |
| 03:35.13 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: Yes. I'm thinking of reporting a bug. :) |
| 03:35.27 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: It affects anybody running stable, and gets worse as time passes. |
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| 03:35.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah |
| 03:36.44 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: I'll send an email then. Just wanted to check that I'm not missing something obvious. |
| 03:37.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: not obvious to me at least |
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| 03:37.35 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: If things go badly I'll blame you. ;-) |
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| 03:38.15 | rhenani | Hellos guys |
| 03:38.23 | rhenani | I'm having this problem with google-earth |
| 03:38.27 | rhenani | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/googleearth008.png/ |
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| 03:38.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: jee thanks :p |
| 03:39.18 | rhenani | Before I used to read the characters and everything was fine but know they appear that way, I'm not sure how to fix it |
| 03:40.30 | rhenani | Nad it's just the parth where you search |
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| 03:41.11 | wols_ | rhenani: missing font or missing glyphs in that font file. when did you upgrade fonts? |
| 03:41.15 | gnarface | rhenani: delete the boxes? |
| 03:42.32 | rhenani | wols_: Last week |
| 03:42.58 | wols_ | check what fonts .debs changed? |
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| 03:44.32 | rhenani | wols_: I forgot how =( |
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| 03:47.57 | wols_ | check in /var/log/dpkg* and /var/log/apt* what packages changed recently. if any fonts were uninstalled for example |
| 03:48.17 | wols_ | if google earth was updated it could be of course a bug of it |
| 03:49.00 | rhenani | I installed a japanese font like 1 week ago |
| 03:49.29 | rhenani | but also there was an update of google earth like 1 or 2 week ago |
| 03:49.59 | rhenani | so i don't what of those 2 is the problem |
| 03:50.09 | gnarface | rhenani: can you delete the boxes and type normal text in or is it always boxes no matter what you type? |
| 03:50.46 | rhenani | it's always boxes |
| 03:50.59 | wols_ | gnarface: these "box" are the normal label text. you cannot delete text labels |
| 03:51.12 | rhenani | exactly |
| 03:51.21 | gnarface | rhenani: can you reproduce this with any other programs besides google earth (even other versions of google earth?) |
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| 03:52.48 | rhenani | No because before i had an older version and it was working fine |
| 03:52.58 | rhenani | but i left use it life 2 week ago |
| 03:53.24 | rhenani | in that time i installed a japanese font and there was an update of google earth |
| 03:53.31 | rhenani | I opned it today and i got this |
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| 03:53.46 | rhenani | It's just with google earth |
| 03:54.31 | rhenani | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/119759/ |
| 03:54.32 | wols_ | you could strace it and check if one some call errors. dunno how it loads fonts tho |
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| 03:55.29 | wols_ | rhenani: the history.log file looks like it has the last two weeks |
| 03:55.59 | esaym153 | anyone running kde 4.6 on testing? And have any problems? |
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| 03:58.01 | rhenani | wols_: Just for last week =( it was before when I update google-earth and install the japanese font |
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| 04:04.50 | rhenani | wols_: How do i know what could be the font thar I am missing |
| 04:05.10 | rhenani | wols_: Or how do i know if is that I'm missing a font too?? |
| 04:08.33 | wols_ | rhenani: you don't. all you can do is perhaps run a strace. or downgrade your google earth again |
| 04:09.17 | wols_ | ah yes: check your xsession-errors. if you are lucky google earth writes something in there |
| 04:09.28 | wols_ | or start it via xterm |
| 04:10.22 | Karen_m | know how you do; sort | uniq ... is there an application that finds only the duplicate lines? |
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| 04:18.25 | dlong | Weird situation where nearly all .com addressess are redirected to .com.net, but other addresses (.net,.gov,.edu) addresses are fine. For example, getent hosts linux.com returns 2a00:1c10:3:634::3486:75a0 linux.com.net, but getent hosts kansas.edu returns 72.47.204.195 kansas.edu.net |
| 04:18.31 | dlong | any ideas? |
| 04:19.34 | dlong | getent hosts utah.edu -> 155.97.155.159 utah.edu |
| 04:19.39 | dlong | I am stumped |
| 04:20.52 | gnarface | dlong: change your nameservers |
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| 04:21.54 | dlong | gnarface: yeah, changing nameservers has had no effect |
| 04:22.17 | dlong | gnarface: I did not change ipv6 nameservers however, only ipv4 |
| 04:22.23 | dlong | but not sure if that should matter |
| 04:23.21 | gnarface | dlong: your hosts file and resolv.conf ... are they good? |
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| 04:24.34 | dlong | gnarface: yes. I have basically gone from commenting all in both hosts.conf and resolv.conf and back and that has had no change either. |
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| 04:35.06 | gnarface | dlong: uname -a? |
| 04:35.31 | gnarface | dlong: this isn't a vserver is it? |
| 04:36.04 | dlong | gnarface: it is a xen guest |
| 04:36.30 | dlong | kernel is 2.6.32 and x86_64 |
| 04:36.43 | gnarface | dlong: do you have control over the host? |
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| 04:36.55 | dlong | gnarface: no |
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| 04:37.57 | dlong | gnarface: I have a ticket with the VPS provider and they are very unhelpful and state that problem HAS to be inside the guest and they assure me no proxying is going on |
| 04:38.54 | gnarface | dlong: iptables -L ? |
| 04:39.28 | gnarface | dlong: are you in control of the dns servers? |
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| 04:40.29 | cdahmedeh | Hello. One of the main issues there are with most Linux distros is the selection and quality of packages. Sometimes software seems to be missing or outdated. The Debian package management system is my favourite one because of the variety of tools it comes with. I want to help, I want to expand the selection of packages in Debian and also maintain them. My problem, is I don't know where to start: 1) I need docu |
| 04:40.30 | cdahmedeh | mentation on packaging applications and 2) I know a few apps not in the repositories, but are there any wish-lists of unavailable packages?. Anyone else is interested ? Thanks. |
| 04:41.16 | dlong | gnarface: iptables -L -> http://pastebin.com/gRAcwaqM |
| 04:41.21 | dlong | gnarface: dns, no |
| 04:41.38 | dlong | gnarface: i turned iptables off and still no effect |
| 04:42.34 | gnarface | cdahmedeh: i think you want the debian policy manual |
| 04:43.02 | gnarface | cdahmedeh: regardless, there IS a manual that defines such things |
| 04:43.09 | cdahmedeh | gnarface, alright, perfect |
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| 04:43.40 | gnarface | cdahmedeh: the dpkg bot probably has a factoid about it |
| 04:44.05 | cdahmedeh | like i realized that debian seems to have very well defined standards for packages |
| 04:44.11 | cdahmedeh | lots of consistency |
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| 04:45.18 | cdahmedeh | what keeps certains packages out of date though ? (i'm talking about sid, not stable) |
| 04:45.31 | cdahmedeh | is it because the package is unmaintained ? |
| 04:46.11 | wols_ | !tell cdahmedeh about nmg |
| 04:46.33 | wols_ | cdahmedeh: that's the place to start to help debian making packages |
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| 04:46.48 | cdahmedeh | thanks |
| 04:47.25 | wols_ | as for wishlist of unavailable packages: RFPs. and there are ITP (intent to package) too. http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
| 04:48.01 | wols_ | RFP = request for packaging |
| 04:48.26 | cdahmedeh | very useful, thanks wols_ |
| 04:49.46 | dlong | gnarface: I appreciate the help. I am stumped. I think something is going on at the host level, but can't verify |
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| 04:50.43 | blackshirt | hello |
| 04:51.00 | blackshirt | hello |
| 04:51.02 | blackshirt | :d |
| 04:51.45 | cdahmedeh | hello ! |
| 04:51.53 | blackshirt | i have question here aboout kfreebsd...when i run aptitude as a normal user, something error like this : Uncaught exception: Unable to read from stdin: Operation not permitted |
| 04:52.01 | blackshirt | can anyone help me ?? |
| 04:53.05 | wols_ | blackshirt: can you paste the full error? and do other curses based programs refuse to work similarly? |
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| 04:53.37 | wols_ | dlong: of course you can verify. use a tunnel or vpn. if that fixes the problem you know your host mangles the packets |
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| 04:54.00 | blackshirt | wols_ : thats a full error when i run aptitude as a normal user..aptitude exit with that error |
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| 04:54.33 | blackshirt | wols_: aptitude works normally with sudo/root access |
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| 04:55.39 | Gump | hey #debian, how can i set compiz to run on boot? right now i have to run compiz --replace every time i start up, and it's kind of annoying |
| 04:56.10 | blackshirt | Gump: you can place it under start up script |
| 04:56.43 | Gump | yeah, i figured that was probably the way to do it, but i wasn't sure if there would be a problem with it executing before gnome loads |
| 04:58.38 | blackshirt | wols_: i have read this bug, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472518, but it was still happen to me |
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| 05:00.45 | wols_ | blackshirt: if this exact bug is what you see, run aptitude in a text console, not in X |
| 05:01.45 | blackshirt | wols_: okey, i will try that |
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| 05:02.26 | markmcb | is it normal to not see a hardware raid when you boot from the live install dvd? |
| 05:02.38 | seifried | I'm curious, anyone here using LXC on Debian? |
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| 05:07.16 | lunar | this is a dumb question, but where do I change screen resolution for X (from a command line)? it used to be in /etc/X11/something... |
| 05:07.41 | wols_ | xrandr usually |
| 05:07.48 | gnarface | lunar: /etc/X11/xorg.conf - its still there its just no longer required |
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| 05:08.19 | wols_ | and xorg.conf is sort of deprecated: you can create one and its used when there but by default it doesn't exist |
| 05:08.25 | lunar | yeah I don't seem to have that file, I just installed Lenny with the XFCE+LXDE build. maybe that's why. |
| 05:08.52 | gnarface | lenny? you mean squeeze? |
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| 05:08.56 | wols_ | lunar: is there any reason you installed lenny at this time? |
| 05:08.56 | lunar | ahh that explains it. well, it started X, and I went messing about with resolution, and changed it to one not supported. I thought it would fall back. |
| 05:09.18 | markmcb | anyone know if it's normal for hardware raid to not be detected from the live dvd? |
| 05:09.20 | lunar | sorry, yes squeeze. I'm looking at the CD right here and I don't know why I said that. o_O |
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| 05:09.23 | wols_ | a restart of X should use a supported resolution |
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| 05:09.37 | wols_ | !live |
| 05:09.37 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 05:10.17 | wols_ | markmcb: and the kernel of live and normal debian are supposedly the same, so a real hardware raid is independent of what debian you run. what controller is it? |
| 05:10.39 | markmcb | it's an LSI 9265-8i (megaraid) |
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| 05:13.15 | lunar | also, I changed from getty to mingetty in /etc/inittab, and just enabled the first two consoles. but it complained and said "ID 1 respawning too fast, disabled for 5 minutes". never seen that before. is there a way to 'restart' inittab, or do I have to reboot? |
| 05:13.47 | markmcb | wols_: I can see my non-raid disk just fine ... in the disk utility i don't even see the card (or the actual volume) |
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| 05:14.12 | gnarface | lunar: you can set the runlevel with init |
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| 05:14.50 | lunar | gnarface: so I;d just change to single user then back to multi/default? |
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| 05:15.14 | wols_ | markmcb: and drivers for the megaraid are loaded? |
| 05:16.14 | gnarface | lunar: are you getting confused about debian's treatment of runlevels? in debian they don't imply graphical vs non-graphical |
| 05:16.15 | markmcb | wols_: just rebooted ... let you know in a sec |
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| 05:16.55 | lunar | well, you know, I've never once used init in the 10 years I've been playing with debian. |
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| 05:17.58 | gnarface | lunar: if you're having trouble trying to exit out of X to change your xorg.conf maybe you need to kill your login manager? kdm/gdm/xdm whatever? |
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| 05:19.16 | lunar | gnarface: well there are a couple different issues... but the most serious seems to be it not wanting to run mingetty. so I changed it back to getty, but didn't know about init until you told me. |
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| 05:19.22 | cyrus_mc | anyone here use Bastille? And if so, how do you enable ip_forward? I can set it via sysctl but when bastille starts up it seems to over-ride |
| 05:19.31 | markmcb | wols_: ok, i feel dumb. it's not loaded. :-) |
| 05:19.31 | Bushmills | lunar, init q to reload inittab |
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| 05:22.03 | seifried | so nobody here is using LXC? |
| 05:22.37 | paijo | seifried: maybe someone others.. |
| 05:22.47 | lunar | Bushmills: woops, too late... I just did init 1. :) but thanks, I neve knew about init until just now. well, didn't really have a scenario where I needed to mess with it. |
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| 05:23.16 | Bushmills | lunar, check out ngetty for an interesting alternative getty |
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| 05:23.53 | markmcb | wols_: if I do "modprobe megaraid_sas" it loads the driver ... do you know how I'd get it to do that at boot, or how I can have /dev/sdb added after manually loading the driver? |
| 05:24.07 | daniel-s | should I use i386 or amd64 version of debian if my computer supports both |
| 05:24.25 | daniel-s | I have <4GB of ram |
| 05:24.34 | wm5 | I'm on debian unstable, what kernel should I use? 2.6.39 or 2.6.32 from stable? |
| 05:24.36 | lunar | Bushmills: OK. been using mingetty since forever, but not really sure why. probably in the security guide somewhere about hardening. I'll look at ngetty, thanks |
| 05:24.46 | gnarface | daniel-s: don't be a pussy. go amd64 |
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| 05:25.15 | paijo | daniel-s: i think maybe better you use amd64 |
| 05:25.17 | Bushmills | wm5: the latest, of course. for no other reason are you using sid |
| 05:26.08 | wm5 | Bushmills: no, I'm using unstable because updating to a new stable version every year or so is painful |
| 05:26.12 | RainbowW | trying to add a partition to a raid array. mdadm: cannot find /dev/sdb1: No such file or directory. It's partitioned type fd. why would this be behaving in this way? |
| 05:26.20 | wm5 | too many regressions at once |
| 05:27.32 | Bushmills | wm5: that'd ask for testing, not for sid |
| 05:27.55 | lunar | lemme get out of this webclient... |
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| 05:28.05 | wm5 | Bushmills: testing is AFAIK even worse than unstable, because packages go from unstable to testing automatically |
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| 05:28.26 | lunar | that's better |
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| 05:28.59 | lunar | first time really using IRSSI, too. interesting. |
| 05:29.21 | Bushmills | wm5: you could use expermental - packages are uploaded there by real humans |
| 05:29.47 | wm5 | experimental is probably too bleeding edge |
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| 05:30.40 | daniel-s | thanks gnarface paijo |
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| 05:30.52 | daniel-s | is it possible to find out on which cd a package is |
| 05:30.57 | paijo | daniel-s: okey |
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| 05:33.31 | wols_ | markmcb: you can put it in /etc/modules so it always gets loaded. and sdb is there as soon as the driver is loaded, nothing special necessary |
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| 05:34.19 | wols_ | !tell daniel-s about cd content |
| 05:35.00 | daniel-s | wols_: thanks |
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| 05:39.35 | markmcb | wols_: thanks for the help ... still not seeing sdb ... i'll keep poking around |
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| 05:39.40 | Orlor | hi all |
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| 05:40.10 | wols_ | markmcb: check your dmesg output when you modprobe the megaraid module |
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| 05:41.02 | Orlor | I have a question about clonezilla. How can I clone a RAID 1 disk? have to clone both (sda and sdb)? |
| 05:41.41 | olafkewl | Orlor: is this a hardware or software RAID ? |
| 05:41.52 | markmcb | wols: it just says "megasas 00.00.04.11" followed by a date ... no errors or anything |
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| 05:42.44 | markmcb | wols_: ... to be continued. it's bed time. thanks again for the help. |
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| 05:48.24 | Orlor | olafkewl: hardware raid |
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| 05:49.37 | olafkewl | Orlor: if it is real hardware RAID, clonezilla won't see sda or sdb but your RAID array by itself |
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| 05:51.56 | Orlor | I'll check it again soon |
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| 05:57.53 | ribasushi | hi |
| 05:58.14 | ribasushi | I need to take a snapshot of my "package states" and send it to someone so they can replicate that system state |
| 05:58.16 | Orlor | I have HP Elite 7100 MT with 2 HDD of 1,5TB... on boot (on combo CTRL + I) can menage RAID... just I thought that's HW raid |
| 05:58.22 | ribasushi | I also have some held packages |
| 05:58.28 | ribasushi | (at a specific version) |
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| 05:58.37 | ribasushi | how do I go about collecting all of the info necessary? |
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| 06:01.06 | claw | ribasushi, dpkg --get-selections | awk '!/deinstall|purge|hold/ {print $1}' > packages.list |
| 06:01.18 | claw | exports all your installed packages to a file |
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| 06:03.45 | ribasushi | claw: hmmm I definitely *do* have held packages installed, but dpkg --get-selections does not show them as such (it says "install") |
| 06:03.55 | ribasushi | claw: also how do I get a list of the versions of the holds? |
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| 06:12.05 | streuner__ | ribasushi: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
| 06:12.20 | ribasushi | streuner__: yes, no holds there |
| 06:12.32 | ribasushi | streuner__: and I do know I have holds ( I can see them with aptitude) |
| 06:14.37 | Orlor | It's SW RAID by HP.... Can I clone that "raid" to another "RAID PC"? |
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| 06:15.18 | streuner__ | ribasushi: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 06:27.42 | SeAl | Copying files from `/etc/skel' ... Current Kerberos password: passwd: User not known to the underlying authentication module passwd: password unchanged .... any suggestions on how to fix what i have messed up |
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| 06:28.36 | valdyn | Orlor: "Software RAID/fake RAID is not supported by default. It's can be done manually only." |
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| 06:32.08 | Orlor | valdyn: what do you mean with "can be done monually only"?? Copy/Paste? |
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| 06:33.50 | claw | ribasushi, then do not use "hold" in line |
| 06:34.18 | claw | use <ribasushi> awk '!/deinstall|purge/ {print $1}' |
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| 06:34.49 | claw | holded packages wont be shown then |
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| 06:39.49 | claw | dpkg -l shows a list of packages with version |
| 06:39.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching shows a list of packages with version |
| 06:40.50 | claw | first line is an identifier such as "ii" which means "install" i dont know whats hold uses for an identifier. but should be able to grep the packages so |
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| 06:51.55 | anAngel | Hello, which is the best officially supported virtualization on debian 6.0? KVM doesn't work on the machine I am trying to install it. Thanks |
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| 07:16.09 | Bushmills | anAngel: if kvm doesn't, qemu most likely will, albeit a bit slower |
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| 07:18.52 | anAngel | Bushmills: Thanks for the reply. How about container based virtualization? Isn't it faster or it is not as functional as qemu? |
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| 07:19.57 | Bushmills | depends what you need. vserver is a nice alternative if you don't require full virtualization |
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| 07:21.06 | Bushmills | vary fast, if guest count doesn't skyrocket. efficient because of a COW feature for disk files |
| 07:21.10 | ttiicc | This might be an question which you can't answer right now but do oyu guys think that debian 7 will come with the 3.0 verson of the kernel or the 2.x ? |
| 07:22.26 | bazu | hello i just like to ask you how to fix this problem... suspend it`s working but when i want to resume the screen stay it turn off (or blank i`m not sure which is correct). I`m using squeeze |
| 07:22.47 | bazu | and till now resume on the suspend work for me only on fedora and pardus |
| 07:23.02 | bazu | i try maybe 20 distros and only in this two |
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| 07:23.52 | anAngel | Bushmills: I would like to make some easier portability for the services placed in the virtual server but do not know which is the best officially supported in the distro. |
| 07:25.11 | Bushmills | both vserver and kvm/qemu are well supported, such as precompiled kernel for vserver |
| 07:26.02 | anAngel | ok thanks very much I will test them out |
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| 07:27.20 | sep | anAngel, keep in mind that kvm require cpu support. also that many bios settings have an enable /disable for this support. also that many bios require full cold reboot after changing this setting. |
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| 07:28.09 | sep | so if you expected your cpu to support kvm, but it does not, you should check your bios. |
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| 07:34.56 | Bushmills | bazu: you may want to try different suspends, like s2ram, through acpi, laptop_acpi_helper , etc |
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| 07:35.45 | bazu | i`ve try it s2ram, but not sure for the others |
| 07:36.08 | bazu | i ask some peoples and they say the problem is in the kernel ? |
| 07:36.10 | bazu | right ? |
| 07:36.46 | Bushmills | from "screen stays dark" it's not possible to pointpoint the problem accurately |
| 07:37.26 | Bushmills | acpitool -s you could try |
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| 07:37.56 | Bushmills | pinpoint ... |
| 07:38.00 | bazu | can you give me some link |
| 07:38.01 | bazu | ? |
| 07:38.23 | Bushmills | some link where to? |
| 07:38.58 | bazu | acpitool or what ever |
| 07:39.09 | bazu | or u just say to do acpitool -s |
| 07:39.15 | bazu | and will fix it |
| 07:39.15 | bazu | ? |
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| 07:39.58 | Bushmills | i didn't say "it will fix it" - i said "you could try" (and see whether it fixes it) |
| 07:40.20 | bazu | yes yes my fault |
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| 07:43.42 | Bushmills | ,versions uswsusp |
| 07:43.43 | ttiicc | someone in here who knows something about debian 7 and kernel version 3? |
| 07:43.44 | judd | Package uswsusp on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-1.2; sid: 1.0-1 |
| 07:44.43 | boudiccas | ttiicc; debian 7? the most upo to date stable is 6 |
| 07:45.10 | Bushmills | ttiicc: i estimate that in half a years time, bets on when wheezy will become stable can be placed |
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| 07:52.14 | thinksteve | ttiicc: It's done when it's done. |
| 07:52.54 | anAngel | sep: the hardware is too old to support the hardware virtualization extensions in the cpu |
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| 07:54.15 | Bushmills | and it's unlikely that debian 7 will support the new amd/intel x128 architecture |
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| 08:04.30 | Orlor | I have SW raid on PC and when booting have in /dev/mapper/ the stripes... how can I obtain /dev/mdx or mount it? |
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| 08:19.45 | jelly | Orlor: do you have lvm configured as well? |
| 08:19.59 | jelly | Orlor: which Debian release is this? |
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| 08:24.25 | Orlor | so: at the moment trying to use clonezilla testing, and raid is setted by Intel Matrix (SW) |
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| 08:25.23 | Orlor | on /dev/mapper/ have stripes and have /dev/md-1 /dev/md-2 md-3 |
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| 08:26.02 | Orlor | if mount md-2 have the correct disk |
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| 08:27.04 | jelly | oh, you're using intel's fakeraid format |
| 08:28.03 | Orlor | yeah :/ shitty |
| 08:28.16 | jelly | I have no experience with that. It's possible Debian lets dmraid handle it even though both dmraid and md are capable enough now. This would explain devices under /dev/mapper/ |
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| 08:46.05 | lapsusbrutus | !iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode |
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| 08:48.03 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys iwlwifi |
| 08:48.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'iwlwifi' by key (3): iwlwifi firmware ;; iwlwifi ;; iwlwifi etch #del#. |
| 08:48.40 | streuner | lapsusbrutus: you need prolly iwlwifi firmware :-) |
| 08:49.09 | streuner | dpkg, listvals 3945 |
| 08:49.10 | dpkg | Factoid search of '3945' by value (3): iwlwifi ;; ipw3945 reload #del# ;; ipw3945-fu #del#. |
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| 08:50.31 | lapsusbrutus | :) |
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| 08:59.51 | cornair | hi, does anybody know something I am missing here to have a exclusive access to my IR remote control with inputlirc / lirc , I read a lot and tried near everything I ve found by google and manuals, more infos and logs @ http://pastebin.com/AqFR1Sxi |
| 09:00.31 | cornair | the hald ignore of the third party file does not work for me |
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| 09:13.33 | ballison-home | i'm having a production outage and need help. i have 2 hosts. hostA and hostB. hostA is running a mysql server. hostB is connecting to hostA's mysql server and is DOSing it through too many connections. |
| 09:14.17 | ballison-home | I need to block hostB for a while. I tried that with a iptables rule, but that didn't work. nothing can connect to the mysql server still due to too many connections. |
| 09:14.46 | ballison-home | i've got incoming connections from hostB iptables blocked for port 3306. how do I get all those port connections out of netstat ? |
| 09:14.58 | ballison-home | how do I get all these established connections to release? |
| 09:16.09 | ballison-home | i can't even restart mysql because i get error: 'Too many connections' |
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| 09:17.43 | bvs | ballison-home, there's always a connection reserved for a users with SUPER privs |
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| 09:19.32 | ballison-home | bvs: /etc/init.d/mysql restart fails |
| 09:19.39 | Alvo | hi how can i tell linux to do auto repair of filesystems on reboot? everytime i have to hold down the y-key when i have to reboot linux with fs errors |
| 09:19.41 | ballison-home | error: 'Too many connections' |
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| 09:20.34 | bvs | ballison-home, there's always kill -9 as a last resort |
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| 09:21.24 | elfranne | anyone got some experience with WMI calls ? |
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| 09:32.04 | ethanol | so it seems fuse or avahi or whatever automounts my iphone. where the heck does it mount it though? it shows in file browser on the left side, but I cannot figure out where it actually is on my system :< |
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| 09:34.04 | babilen | ethanol: I would guess that you can find it somewhere in /media -- If you use nautilus as filemanager you can also press CTRL-L to see the location. (or take a look at the breadcrumb navigation) |
| 09:34.52 | ethanol | ctrl+l gives me afc://885212c7ca5a705c5cd804349128665f4c3fd6b9/ |
| 09:34.53 | ethanol | :< |
| 09:34.55 | babilen | ethanol: Oh, and even better: Just run "mount" and it'll give you all mounted filesystems just like "cat /proc/mounts" |
| 09:35.09 | ethanol | yeah it doesnt show under mount |
| 09:35.13 | ethanol | hence why I am confused |
| 09:35.16 | ethanol | what is this afc:// ? |
| 09:35.20 | babilen | Hmm, probably some iPhone specific hackery :-\ |
| 09:35.26 | ethanol | bugger me :< |
| 09:36.17 | babilen | All my phones are simple external drives and don't need any apple-fu -- Guess the iPhone is accessed differently in order to be able to write to its database in which tracks and such things are stored. |
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| 09:39.58 | babilen | ethanol: http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone might be worth a look. Sure there is more information on the net |
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| 09:40.14 | ethanol | cheers |
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| 09:42.31 | petemc | its probably gnome-vfs |
| 09:42.33 | lancelot_of | hi all |
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| 09:43.14 | lancelot_of | is there any way to select and copy text in urxvt, without mouse and only with keyboard? |
| 09:43.24 | babilen | petemc: It most definitely is |
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| 09:43.59 | babilen | lancelot_of: I'd use screen for that. |
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| 09:47.04 | screensilently | Hello, I accidently deleted /dev and I'm booting from a live cd, mouting my hdd and what should i run to fix /dev? |
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| 09:47.43 | Bushmills | screensilently: just rebooting should do, assuming you're using udev. the directory must exist, though |
| 09:47.56 | lancelot_of | babilen, what do you mean with 'i'd use screen'? |
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| 09:48.37 | petemc | lanze_so4: screen can cut and paste |
| 09:48.41 | screensilently | Bushmills: actually i was getting an error when i was running "screen" . no more ptys |
| 09:48.50 | petemc | ^a[ |
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| 09:52.18 | screensilently | Is it any way to regenerate /dev on the fly, while on chroot? |
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| 09:55.08 | Bushmills | you can mount --bind /dev to /mountpoint/dev before chrooting |
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| 10:05.05 | Orlor | is possible to install driver for ATI Radeon mobile x700 on debian squezze(net install)? |
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| 10:07.37 | babilen | Orlor: If you install the desktop task Xorg and Gnome will be installed. I guess that Xorg will use the radeon driver for your card, you might want to install firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri after the initial installation. |
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| 10:13.11 | lancelot_of | babilen, ? |
| 10:13.24 | tdn | Which application can I use to draw time lines? E.g. to visualize a project timeline with mile stones? |
| 10:13.27 | babilen | lancelot_of: yes? |
| 10:13.46 | lancelot_of | babilen, what do you mean by 'i'd use screen for that'? |
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| 10:14.41 | rhineshell | hello out there, I don't have a grub-shell on my system |
| 10:14.59 | rhineshell | in which package is the grub-shell? |
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| 10:16.40 | Brianetta | Hi folks. Can anybody tell me if it's possible to remove a package from the database without deleting the package's files from disk? |
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| 10:19.11 | lancelot_of | babilen, won't you answer me? :D |
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| 10:21.06 | petemc | lancelot_of: screen has cut and paste functionality, use ctl a [ to start copying |
| 10:21.30 | babilen | lancelot_of: It has already been answered by petemc -- Not sure what I can add |
| 10:21.49 | Orlor | babilen: I'm using fluxbox and I've installed firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri but when try to do aticonfig --initial have error (adapted not found) |
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| 10:25.44 | babilen | Orlor: Don't use aticonfig, either use the radeon driver or fglrx as packaged by Debian. Read <radeon> <fglrx> <fglrx dkms> <empty xorg.conf> and <xorg.conf.d> for information about the configuration and installation. (e.g.: /msg dpkg radeon) |
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| 10:27.58 | volkswagner | Please help... change in Debian5 to Debian6 LXDE adding user to powerdev group no longer gives user shutdown, reboot privileges in LXDE with no login manager running |
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| 10:28.51 | volkswagner | Same is true in Ubuntu 11.04... can anyone take a look at this thread and offer input http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1780853 |
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| 10:30.11 | babilen | volkswagner: acpi-support and pm-utils are installed? |
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| 10:33.40 | mahsom | I need full document for tc command ... |
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| 10:33.44 | Orlor | babilen: I didn't find x700 in supported graphic card for fglrx, I've tried xserver-xorg-video-ati, but when try to start x, have an error (screen not found) |
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| 10:35.40 | babilen | mahsom: "man tc" ? |
| 10:36.49 | lancelot_of | babilen, petemc thanks for help |
| 10:36.49 | petemc | theres also lartc.org |
| 10:36.59 | lancelot_of | have a nice day, bya |
| 10:37.01 | lancelot_of | bye |
| 10:37.14 | babilen | Orlor: Well, I don't know the driver support for every chip out there by heart. I would be surprised if the radeon driver did not support your card though. Can you give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and your Xorg.0.log -- Do you use *any* xorg.conf? |
| 10:37.28 | volkswagner | babilen: Thank you for chiming in... do you have any simple commands to check for those two packages? |
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| 10:37.50 | babilen | volkswagner: "dpkg -l pm-utils acpi-support" |
| 10:38.20 | Orlor | babilen: not at the moment :/ not at laptop now |
| 10:38.27 | Orlor | will come back later |
| 10:38.32 | babilen | Orlor: Ok |
| 10:38.48 | Orlor | thanks for now |
| 10:39.09 | babilen | No problem, it is quite hard to work on a problem if you don't have access to the box though :) |
| 10:39.34 | mahsom | babilen tc manual not good for me ... I need Other document . |
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| 10:42.06 | volkswagner | babilen: both packages return un pm-utils <none> (no description available) |
| 10:42.20 | volkswagner | Shall I install both and get back to you? |
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| 10:43.25 | babilen | volkswagner: Might be due to your installation without recommends -- Install acpi-support ... (it will pull in pm-utils) |
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| 10:44.53 | babilen | mahsom: What about the howto on lartc.org ? (also #lartc here on freenode) |
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| 10:55.22 | abrotman | !qotd |
| 10:55.22 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 270 (2011-06-01). |
| 10:55.25 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 10:55.25 | dpkg | <ml|> next time read what aptitude tells you, so this doesn't happen to you again, pretty sure aptitude must have given you some warning <groulder> ml|, it did give me a warning but i didn't believe it now i do. |
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| 10:56.03 | cornair | how can I get exclusive access to my ir remote control Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T Stick, with USB id 2040:7050, using inputlirc. it seems that the apcid and hal is already grabbing this device by itself |
| 10:56.59 | cornair | lsof ashows me that, and I have also added a igmore rule for this device to the hal see http://pastebin.com/1zu5A6Dc for details |
| 10:57.06 | abrotman | you can't put yourself in a group to be able to access it? |
| 10:57.15 | cornair | hmm |
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| 10:59.06 | cornair | with sudo the same can't get exclusive access.. |
| 10:59.41 | cornair | only inputlirc is running, lirc started with nodaemon like on line 215 (pastbin) |
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| 11:00.06 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 11:00.34 | ragnar76 | is it possible to save the autoconfigured settings from xorg to disc? |
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| 11:04.04 | aoh | ragnar76, iirc you can do # X --configure, which writes the settings to a config file in the current directory |
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| 11:05.54 | fossala | I've got a problem, I have a broadcom netxtreme 57xx card in a server. I cannot attach a keyboard to the server so I put the hard drive in another pc to install/add driver but then the inrd update doesn't work because its for the wrong system. |
| 11:05.57 | ragnar76 | aoh: yes, i know. but this will create a skeleton configuration and will not write the current used settings |
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| 11:09.22 | wols_ | fossala: connect it to another server but boot from the server's own linux. then chroot into your broadcom needing installation and install anything you need |
| 11:10.17 | volkswagner | babilen: Thank You so very much.... installing acpi-tools to Ubuntu 11.04 gave the shutdown options... Although no new groups were added such as powerdev... On to my Debian6 Box to see if it works there to! |
| 11:10.21 | volkswagner | Thanks again |
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| 11:11.51 | fossala | wols: I installed the broadcom nic driver but still wont work. |
| 11:12.01 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 11:12.01 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 11:12.59 | wols_ | and i'm a little doubtful that linux 2.6.32 wouldn't have a driver for this NIC: sure it's a shitty broadcom but still. non-free firmware, sure, but not missing driver |
| 11:13.25 | fossala | Yes I installed the non-free firmware |
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| 11:13.56 | wols_ | well, see what dpkg said |
| 11:14.33 | fossala | then updated my intrd and it still doesnt load. I was thinking did it not add the nic to the intrd because its wasn't updated on the right system. |
| 11:15.19 | wols_ | put it in /etc/modules |
| 11:16.05 | fossala | *facepalm. I will try that thanks. |
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| 11:16.44 | fossala | Sorry i'm a complete noob at debian. I normaly use OpenBSD but im setting up ltsp. |
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| 11:18.29 | ttiicc | I asked this question for some hours ago, but I'll ask it again now. Will Debian 7 come out with the third verison of the kernel or the 2.X ? |
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| 11:19.02 | wols_ | considering how early it is for wheezy, you can be assured it will be a 3.x kernel |
| 11:19.15 | ttiicc | okej nice to know |
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| 11:19.31 | wols_ | wth does it need to be numbered 7? |
| 11:19.42 | ttiicc | and wheezy will be out in about 1-1,5 years right? |
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| 11:20.31 | ttiicc | heard that the release iteration should be squeezed down to 1,5 years :) |
| 11:21.21 | wols_ | yes. just like last time. I think it was 1 year back then... |
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| 11:22.47 | abrotman | ttiicc: no one knows for sure .. it's not on a rigid schedule |
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| 11:24.13 | ttiicc | abrotman: Debain has announced that they will make a release every 1,5 years |
| 11:24.42 | ttiicc | but ofcourse they will always work with the slogan " it's ready when it ready!" |
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| 11:25.41 | abrotman | ttiicc: they did? where? |
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| 11:26.10 | abrotman | ttiicc: you're wrong |
| 11:26.21 | MrFrood | points out to ttiicc that most debian devs have their own personal timezones so 1.5 years for a debian dev may not be the same as 1.5 years for a mortal |
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| 11:28.11 | babilen | volkswagner: You are welcome (but please note that Ubuntu support is off-topic here) |
| 11:28.12 | abrotman | ttiicc: you mean http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 ? They later decided this was a bad idea, and freeze and release are two *very* different things |
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| 11:35.04 | volkswagner | babilen: I did not have ssh enabled on my Debian 6 unit, so it was easier to do on my Ubuntu unit, plus the Deb6 unit is dpkg and wget only |
| 11:36.05 | wols_ | you purposefully uninstalled apt? and you run a desktop on there? |
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| 11:36.49 | babilen | volkswagner: Why can't you use aptitude or apt-get? |
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| 11:37.00 | volkswagner | babilen: Installed pm-utils, acpid, acpi-support, powermgmg-base and acpi-fakekey but these did not work,.... maybe more deps |
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| 11:37.36 | volkswagner | babilen: aptitude has been disabled as the unit only has 512MB hard drive no room for cache |
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| 11:38.20 | volkswagner | The Ubuntu box I added a USB drive and mount apt/cache and lib/cache there |
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| 11:40.34 | wols_ | volkswagner: there is no "maybe" about dependencies: either they're needed or not and dpkg tells you exactly if they are and what the names are |
| 11:41.10 | volkswagner | I think I may need the gnome-policy kit on my deb6 unit |
| 11:41.34 | volkswagner | first I'll have to install ssh though! |
| 11:43.01 | volkswagner | wols_: thank you, but because something is not listed as a dep or recommends does not mean without it, you'll have a fully functioning system, just a working package |
| 11:43.41 | volkswagner | I have kept track of all my work, and pm-utils and acpi-support were never listed as needed nor recommended |
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| 11:47.07 | john_rambo | I was having trouble with the facebook chat plugin for pidgin ..... I had to upgrade the plugin by manually downloading it.... Now it seems I need to upgrade pidging too .......So I was wondering .....Is it better to upgrade only pidgin or is adding the sid repo a better idea ...Please suggest |
| 11:47.30 | ttiicc | abrotman: thanks for the answer! |
| 11:47.47 | abrotman | john_rambo: honestly, use the XMPP, works way better |
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| 11:48.43 | john_rambo | abrotman, But not all my FB buddies have a Gmail account or may be they do ....... |
| 11:49.03 | abrotman | john_rambo: i gave up using that fb chat plugin, buggy as a florida swamp |
| 11:49.09 | abrotman | john_rambo: i didn't say anything about gmail |
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| 11:49.37 | abrotman | or perhaps i should have said, buggy as a Hope, Washington summer ... |
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| 11:49.53 | abrotman | john_rambo: if you have a named fb account (with a URL, etc), you can use XMPP through fb |
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| 11:50.10 | tdn | Is there a CLI tool that can rip an audio-cd easily to FLAC, ogg or mp3? |
| 11:50.38 | abrotman | john_rambo: do you understand the named account bit? |
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| 11:51.09 | john_rambo | abrotman, Yes I have a named account ......www.facebook.com/>name> |
| 11:51.20 | john_rambo | abrotman, Correct? |
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| 11:51.52 | abrotman | john_rambo: https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=371950911048&id=210368314792 .. first hit for "facebook xmpp pidgin" |
| 11:52.04 | john_rambo | abrotman, Roger |
| 11:52.17 | abrotman | my name is Shirley |
| 11:52.31 | babilen | tdn: I like morituri, but there are probably a bunch of other tools. |
| 11:52.42 | MrFrood | tdn: try morituri |
| 11:52.49 | babilen | MrFrood: heh :) |
| 11:52.59 | tdn | MrFrood, babilen: thanks. |
| 11:53.16 | wols_ | abrotman: pics! |
| 11:53.30 | abrotman | wols_: google has them |
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| 11:54.34 | Miika-- | I have a problem with usb wlan: http://pastie.org/2066176 |
| 11:54.39 | Miika-- | Could someone help me with that? |
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| 11:55.51 | wols_ | !tell Miika-- about rtl8192 |
| 11:57.49 | guard_ | Hi... I am trying to install debian (netinst), i burned it, and it works just fine after the boot, but when I choose install, a couple of lines appeared, and poof! an error occured... is this a hardware compatibilty issue?? |
| 11:58.21 | tdn | babilen, I just write: rip cd rip? There is no way of defining options? |
| 11:58.36 | tdn | babilen, oh. Nevermind. |
| 11:58.55 | wols_ | !tell guard_ about errors |
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| 12:05.18 | Famic | how can I make sure fail2ban will not ban my home ip ? |
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| 12:07.45 | wols_ | Famic: /etc/init.d/fail2ban ignoreip |
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| 12:08.40 | Famic | ty |
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| 12:09.16 | headshrinker | god :D this room is pretty full |
| 12:09.37 | headshrinker | hello people |
| 12:09.58 | cromag | "full" :) |
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| 12:10.19 | guard_ | is there a live cd for debian?? |
| 12:10.25 | wols_ | !tell guard_ about live |
| 12:10.28 | headshrinker | i believe there is :) but guess its outdated |
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| 12:10.55 | guard_ | *morphix, i presume? |
| 12:10.59 | headshrinker | yes :) |
| 12:11.03 | wols_ | no. debian. |
| 12:11.04 | headshrinker | i guess |
| 12:11.09 | headshrinker | let me search |
| 12:11.12 | wols_ | headshrinker: do you have a debian related problem? |
| 12:11.22 | wols_ | guard_: dpkg told you what you want to know |
| 12:11.38 | headshrinker | well not really debian problem |
| 12:11.45 | headshrinker | i use debian as my main desktop OS |
| 12:12.07 | headshrinker | and i run xorg smoothly, i use an old box P4 with legacy nvidia MX4000 |
| 12:12.41 | headshrinker | but some how i cant get xorg to run on crux linux |
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| 12:12.46 | headshrinker | on the same box |
| 12:12.56 | wols_ | then please ask the makers of crux linux |
| 12:13.21 | stew | headshrinker: try #crux |
| 12:13.47 | headshrinker | i did, and they trying to help, just i wanted to know if debian's apt applies anything special on the xorg source? |
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| 12:14.20 | headshrinker | i am already in crux channel, |
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| 12:14.35 | stew | headshrinker: if you get the source of a debian package, the patches we apply would be in a .debian.tar.gz or a .diff.gz file |
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| 12:15.09 | headshrinker | thanks alot |
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| 12:16.55 | cobe571 | I accidentally deleted the file "event-sound-cache.tdb" from the hidden directory .cache, someone can tell me its function, the application that generates it and how to restore it in the case? |
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| 12:17.55 | sacredchao | I just got a new Thinkpad laptop, and I find that even on max mixer settings in ALSA and in audio or video player apps, the sound is not high enough |
| 12:18.10 | sacredchao | Is there a way to boost the sound output beyond what is available in default configurations? |
| 12:18.58 | olafkewl | sacredchao: buy an amp |
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| 12:19.18 | sacredchao | olafkewl: I want to boost internal laptop speakers as well. |
| 12:19.27 | sacredchao | I have an amp already but that isn't useful for internal speakers |
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| 12:26.33 | tedo1 | I'm using Debian testing for a quite long time, bu |
| 12:27.05 | tedo1 | and only problem I have with it is sound preferenes |
| 12:27.15 | tedo1 | preferences* |
| 12:28.03 | tedo1 | I have integrated sond in laptop and aditional USB speakers |
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| 12:28.53 | tedo1 | is it possible to configure "in the fly" audio output? |
| 12:29.12 | tedo1 | in alsa it isn't, so I consider to install pulse |
| 12:29.24 | Miika-- | wols_: thanks, how I could configure wlan authentication then? |
| 12:30.09 | tedo1 | question: alsa vs. pulse? |
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| 12:31.21 | tedo1 | synaptic does not remove alsa when installing pulse... |
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| 12:32.41 | tedo1 | can two audio server coegzist? |
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| 12:33.26 | petemc | pulse and alsa are not the same thing |
| 12:33.40 | MrFrood | !tell tedo1 about enter |
| 12:34.20 | MrFrood | tedo1: as I understand it pulse will not work without alsa |
| 12:34.28 | Miika-- | Do I need wpasupplicant for wpa auth? |
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| 12:39.34 | kasimon | Hi. When maintaining a debian package and the upstream in a combined git repository, should releases be made with git merge or with git archive + git import-orig? |
| 12:40.21 | yuravk | Hi, I'm using Debian 6.0 amd64. How can I exclude linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 package from apt-get to be upgraded ? |
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| 12:41.14 | babilen | Miika--: yes |
| 12:41.21 | ttiicc | why haven't a mysql workbench deb package been created? |
| 12:41.28 | babilen | !tell kasimon -about mentors |
| 12:41.41 | babilen | kasimon: Probably best to ask in #debian-mentors over at OFTC |
| 12:41.47 | kasimon | babilen: thanks, I'll try |
| 12:42.23 | ttiicc | who's lagging behind the mysql or debian team? |
| 12:42.26 | babilen | yuravk: Why would you want to do that given that all upgrades are security related? |
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| 12:44.05 | yuravk | babilen: because of Xen block devices (named xvda) and GRUB issue, bug # 601974 |
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| 12:46.48 | babilen | yuravk: Ok, you can probably put the package on hold (aptitude hold linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 -- echo linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 hold|dpkg --set-selections) or pin the specific version to a higher priority. |
| 12:47.14 | babilen | yuravk: argh, missed "" :) |
| 12:48.27 | yuravk | babilen: thank you, do you know can I use some expressions like inux-image-*-xen-amd64 ? |
| 12:48.40 | jae | Anyone have pointers what libsmbclient wants in smb.conf (google is not helpful) |
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| 12:49.14 | ws2k3 | how should i configure PAM to handle local and virtual users? |
| 12:49.15 | jae | wants to use python-smbc but it complains about a missing smb.conf |
| 12:50.15 | babilen | yuravk: Possible with pinning. Read "man apt_preferences" about "Regular expressions and glob() syntax" |
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| 12:52.55 | babilen | ,versions apt |
| 12:52.56 | judd | Package apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3; sid: 0.8.14.1; wheezy: 0.8.14.1; experimental: 0.8.15~exp1 |
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| 12:53.07 | wols_ | jae: smb.conf is the server config, no? |
| 12:53.21 | babilen | yuravk: Ah, forgive me. That functionality is not available in the apt version in squeeze. |
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| 12:54.26 | yuravk | babilen: i have tried to set in /etc/apt/preferences something like Package: linux-image-*-xen-amd64. And that doesn't work for me |
| 12:54.47 | babilen | yuravk: See my remark above |
| 12:54.50 | ws2k3 | wols i finaly have my vsftpd to far that it auths with virtual users. but how can i use virtual and local users in pam? |
| 12:56.03 | wols_ | ws2k3: I dunno. I don't use a ftpd :) |
| 12:56.08 | wols_ | well,not anymore |
| 12:56.10 | ws2k3 | aah ok |
| 12:56.25 | babilen | wols_: Wise decision. FTP must die! |
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| 13:00.26 | elkng | there are as many as 32GB packages how much disk space will it takes to install them all ? |
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| 13:03.01 | wols_ | !dstats |
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| 13:04.12 | volkswagner | babilen: I was wrong about adding acpi-support fixed Ubuntu.... I forgot I was auto logging in as root, which gets the shutdown options... regular users don't... I have some work to do to get my Debian box using aptitude |
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| 13:07.36 | jpinx | what's the best way to copy the install CD I downloadd onto a usb stick? My current OS is XP home :( |
| 13:09.05 | babilen | jpinx: hei -- /msg dpkg usb install -- and use the tool referenced therein. You have to rename the .iso to .img though as MS Windows is a bit retarded when it comes to file extensions |
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| 13:09.50 | jpinx | babilen: tks :) |
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| 13:10.42 | debuser | hello |
| 13:11.02 | debuser | how do bring my wifi network from console ? |
| 13:11.23 | streuner | interfaces |
| 13:11.28 | debuser | ? |
| 13:11.46 | wols_ | debuser: you need to state your problem more clearly please |
| 13:11.48 | babilen | debuser: Either use wpasupplicant (read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz) or wicd-curses ... |
| 13:12.00 | wols_ | !de |
| 13:12.00 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 13:12.22 | debuser | wols_: i had wifi connection ok when i had gnome but i uninstalled gnome and now the wifi network is gone |
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| 13:12.46 | debuser | iwconfig shows me eth1 but without essid and ip and anything |
| 13:13.02 | wols_ | debuser: so you probably used network-manager in gnome for wifi. now you need to configure it differently |
| 13:13.08 | debuser | wols_: oh.. |
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| 13:13.14 | babilen | debuser: But the best way also depends on what kind of network you are trying to connect to (open, wep, wpa, wpa2, wpa-eap, ...) and how often you need to change between networks. FWIW I personally recommend wicd |
| 13:13.16 | wols_ | debuser: no wlan0 or such interface? |
| 13:13.31 | debuser | wols_: no, in gnome it was also eth1 instead of wlan0 so i guess that is ok |
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| 13:13.52 | debuser | babilen: wpa2 |
| 13:14.24 | debuser | best tool would be ./detect_and_autoconf_my_eth1_interface |
| 13:14.25 | debuser | ;) |
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| 13:15.14 | babilen | Yeah, the desired "do-what-I-mean" package that has an RFP and RFD (request for development) open for some decades already ... |
| 13:15.28 | wols_ | debuser: that cannot be. your wpa2 needs a password at least |
| 13:15.40 | debuser | wols_: yes it have password set in my router |
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| 13:15.59 | debuser | so... ./detect_and_autoconf_my_eth1_interface -p 123mypass123 maybe ?... |
| 13:16.06 | debuser | i dont know, any console tool for that ? |
| 13:16.14 | wols_ | debuser: you were already told what to install |
| 13:16.23 | babilen | debuser: yes, I already mentioned the two applicable ones. |
| 13:16.27 | debuser | let me check, the text console is very little here |
| 13:16.30 | debuser | i need to scroll :p |
| 13:16.42 | wols_ | babilen: wpasupp is always needed. no way around that |
| 13:16.50 | wols_ | debuser: wcid-curses |
| 13:17.01 | Bushmills | debuser: wicd gets pretty close to that, and even has console interface, optionally |
| 13:17.01 | debuser | wpasupplicant this or wicd-curses ? which one you recommend more ? |
| 13:17.01 | babilen | wols_: yes, sure ... did I say something different? |
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| 13:17.45 | babilen | debuser: Either configure wpasupplicant directly or use a frontend like wicd for it. IMHO wicd-curses is pretty nice. |
| 13:17.51 | debuser | ok |
| 13:17.52 | debuser | thanks |
| 13:18.13 | babilen | !tell debuser -about wicd |
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| 13:21.58 | debuser | ok i installed the wicd |
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| 13:22.05 | debuser | and wicd-curses, i ran it and it shows me |
| 13:22.13 | debuser | "No wireless networks found." |
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| 13:22.37 | debuser | how can i check why it doesnt find the wireless network ? |
| 13:22.48 | wols_ | what exactly did you run? |
| 13:22.57 | debuser | i typed wicd-curses |
| 13:22.58 | debuser | as root |
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| 13:24.21 | debuser | jon8: find / -type d |
| 13:25.41 | wols_ | debuser: iwconfig does show you a wireless card for eth1? |
| 13:26.36 | debuser | wols_: http://pastebin.com/UUHUXn8S |
| 13:26.42 | debuser | this is what i see when i type iwconfig |
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| 13:30.21 | debuser | apt-get install wicd wpasupplicant |
| 13:30.25 | debuser | ups |
| 13:31.56 | mdik | hi. since the upgrade from kde 4.4 to 4.6 i don't have oxygen as the style anymore. i guess it could be because i dont use kde per se, but only apps like kontact and oxygen might have wandered off into a package i dont have installed |
| 13:31.56 | jae | wols_: yeah, I thought smb.conf was server-only too, that's why I was surprised by that error |
| 13:31.56 | mdik | any hints? |
| 13:32.33 | jae | But it appears libsmbclient does read it / expect it (found mails discussing it... they did not say why it needs the file) |
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| 13:33.37 | wols_ | jae: try to create an empty smb.conf ? |
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| 13:33.52 | e_ | hi everybody |
| 13:34.25 | debuser | arghhhh |
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| 13:34.37 | debuser | no wifi even when trying to use wicd :( |
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| 13:35.09 | jae | wols_: ah yes... that miraculously works (thought of it myself a bit ago, but forgot to try it) |
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| 13:35.14 | jae | Weird |
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| 13:35.34 | e_ | is there some sort of "debian for redhat administrators" guide somewhere? i wasn't able to find some good docs |
| 13:35.44 | e_ | and i have been in rhel/centos world since debian woody |
| 13:35.54 | debuser | lol |
| 13:36.05 | debuser | i just had to specify interface name in wicd |
| 13:36.07 | debuser | :))) |
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| 13:41.16 | debuser | wicd rock ! |
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| 13:42.24 | estherilla87 | ola |
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| 13:43.18 | estherilla87 | que tal? |
| 13:43.24 | abrotman | !es |
| 13:43.24 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 13:46.12 | _stefanos_ | Hello everyone. Last night I ran the latest wheezy updates on my desktop PC and something screwed up grub so I decided to use Debian DVD to use rescue mode to fix it. It seems that I messed it really bad. It returns to grub prompt and from there I don't know what to do. Currently I am at work, but a little advice on the current issue would be more than enlighting for me guys. Cheers |
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| 13:47.52 | wols | _stefanos_: you booted via rescue and ran grub-install and update-grub? |
| 13:48.19 | wols | and there are debian kernel(s) installed as well which update-grub found? |
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| 13:48.40 | _stefanos_ | wols: that's the problem buddy, it would ask me which partition to mount to run grub-install |
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| 13:49.03 | stummi | hello, is there a way to allow a user creating and configuring a tun-device? |
| 13:49.06 | _stefanos_ | i tried to run DesktopPC-root ( / ) but still the problem exists |
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| 13:49.14 | wols | whne you rescue booted, you didn't give the CD a partiton to rescue boot from? |
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| 13:49.54 | _stefanos_ | i gave me the LVM name, the sda1 partition, and the swap |
| 13:50.34 | wols | _stefanos_: a rescue boot means you load a kernel from the CD but run all the rest, the userland from your installation. did you do that or not? |
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| 13:51.47 | _stefanos_ | wols: I am afraid I don't know what to answer. I followed the necessary windows about settings language settings, keyboard and such, but i didn't load any kernel myself |
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| 13:52.12 | _stefanos_ | maybe the system did and brought me to the point of rescue-moding my grub |
| 13:52.26 | wols | !tell _stefanos_ about fixmbr |
| 13:52.28 | _stefanos_ | i tried both sda1 and DesktopPC-root but the issue remained the same |
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| 13:53.10 | _stefanos_ | wols: amazing info mate, thanks a million |
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| 13:55.25 | _stefanos_ | wols: btw, is it for grub2 or grub? |
| 13:55.30 | wols | both |
| 13:56.04 | _stefanos_ | lovely |
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| 13:58.44 | wols | starenka: probably with some program that runs suid root and creates the tun device(s). but if you need several each owned by a different user or such you probably need to write your own program |
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| 13:58.54 | orlor | hi all |
| 13:59.02 | starenka | pufff |
| 13:59.10 | starenka | wols: u were saying? :D |
| 13:59.37 | starenka | disappears again |
| 13:59.47 | _stefanos_ | wols: sorry for being a headache buddy, but in place of /dev/whatever, should i use "sda" or "sda1"? |
| 13:59.50 | wols | I was talking to stummi but had momentary brain damage :) |
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| 14:00.08 | wols | _stefanos_: sda, you normally want it in your MBR |
| 14:00.14 | _stefanos_ | cool |
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| 14:00.59 | stummi | wols, ah, ok. thanks |
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| 14:05.52 | _stefanos_ | wols: so after i insert the DVD and go to "advanced options > rescue mode", should i set the necessary settings and then run alt-f2? |
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| 14:09.16 | wols | _stefanos_: no you don't use rescue mode |
| 14:10.45 | _stefanos_ | what do you mean? |
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| 14:11.11 | wols | I mean you don't use the "rescue" entry on the boot menu |
| 14:11.35 | _stefanos_ | just boot from DVD and then alt-f2 it? |
| 14:11.43 | _stefanos_ | and manually to the rest? |
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| 14:11.59 | wols | yes |
| 14:12.10 | _stefanos_ | that's way too cool then :D |
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| 14:14.26 | _stefanos_ | can't wait to get home to fix my PC :D thanks wols :) |
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| 14:15.39 | BryanRuiz | hi there, i have a .deb package im trying to install on ubuntu but its the wrong architecture, can I repackage it someone from just the deb? |
| 14:16.03 | wols | BryanRuiz: we cannot support ubuntu. please ask in #ubuntu |
| 14:16.24 | BryanRuiz | wols: ok thanks |
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| 14:19.22 | orlor | I have an old laptop and need to install wireless, need to install ipw2200-source but not yet in repository |
| 14:19.44 | orlor | have instaled debian squeeze |
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| 14:22.03 | wols | orlor: all you need is non-free firmware, nothing else. /msg dpkg firmware |
| 14:22.44 | orlor | foud firmware-ipw2x00 |
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| 14:33.00 | volkswagner | Please help... change in Debian5 to Debian6 LXDE adding user to powerdev group no longer gives user shutdown, reboot privileges in LXDE with no login manager running |
| 14:33.04 | volkswagner | Same is true in Ubuntu 11.04... can anyone take a look at this thread and offer input http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1780853 |
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| 14:38.26 | wols | volkswagner: have you checked any terminal output or xsession-errors? |
| 14:38.59 | abrotman | volkswagner: your link is about Ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
| 14:39.10 | wols | abrotman: he runs both |
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| 14:39.18 | volkswagner | abrotman, yes same is true for Debian 6 |
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| 14:39.59 | abrotman | volkswagner: ask about one here .. if your problem is about Debian, make damn sure the paste is about Debian .. |
| 14:40.05 | abrotman | pseudo-asking is not nice |
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| 14:40.53 | bst | volkswagner: view http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian |
| 14:41.03 | Jimmy89 | hey guys |
| 14:41.09 | Jimmy89 | I am using mdadm for raid5 |
| 14:41.23 | Jimmy89 | and it just dropped four of my disks and marked them as faulty (all on the one HBA) |
| 14:41.29 | Jimmy89 | obviously they are not all faulty |
| 14:41.35 | Jimmy89 | how do I change them to ok? |
| 14:41.42 | karlpinc | Jimmy89: Perhaps the controller is bad? |
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| 14:42.05 | karlpinc | Jimmy89: Or the power supply. |
| 14:42.07 | abrotman | backplane? |
| 14:43.02 | Jimmy89 | no backplane, just a 4 port sas hba |
| 14:43.08 | Jimmy89 | I don't believe the controller is bad |
| 14:43.12 | Jimmy89 | been using for ~1 year |
| 14:43.21 | Jimmy89 | I can still see the drives in fdisk etc |
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| 14:43.34 | Jimmy89 | just they have been marked faulty in mdadm |
| 14:43.35 | wols | !enter |
| 14:43.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:43.45 | Jimmy89 | is there a way to flag the drives as ok? |
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| 14:44.15 | volkswagner | wols, does this mean anything to you ** (lxsession-logout:1251): WARNING **: dbus-interface.c:75: DBUS: The name org.freedesktop.UPower was not provided by any .service files |
| 14:44.27 | Jimmy89 | sort of panicking a bit here, as I have ~10tb of files on there |
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| 14:44.57 | volkswagner | wols, I'm not sure what you mean when asking about terminal output |
| 14:44.59 | abrotman | volkswagner: where is your Debian paste? |
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| 14:45.24 | volkswagner | Linux localhost 2.6.32-5-486 #1 Tue Mar 8 21:03:02 UTC 2011 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 14:45.36 | volkswagner | abrotman, is that what you are after? |
| 14:46.00 | abrotman | volkswagner: no, i want you to stop asking about your ubuntu problems here |
| 14:46.11 | volkswagner | I'm on Debian 6 |
| 14:46.25 | abrotman | your paste is about ubuntu |
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| 14:47.02 | volkswagner | The Ubuntu reference was to point out the issue exists in both cases |
| 14:47.21 | volkswagner | I'm not sure if it is LXDE specific or Debian Specific issue |
| 14:47.28 | volkswagner | This was not broken in Debian5 |
| 14:47.36 | Jimmy89 | so anyone know how to make the array believe it is ok? |
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| 14:47.59 | volkswagner | abrotman, there is some change in hal or powerdev group in debian6? |
| 14:48.04 | stew | Jimmy89: once a drive is failed, I don't know of a way to mark it as not failed besides removing it and re-adding it |
| 14:48.11 | Jimmy89 | hmm |
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| 14:48.27 | Jimmy89 | that will not work though |
| 14:48.31 | abrotman | volkswagner: probably about a million changes in that code, the kernel code .. etc |
| 14:48.36 | Jimmy89 | as the array only has 2/6 drives online |
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| 14:48.55 | volkswagner | the LXDE wiki is no longer relevant for Debian 6 |
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| 14:49.11 | stew | Jimmy89: if the array is gone, you could perhaps recreate it with "--assume-clean", but this is certainly dangerous |
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| 14:49.29 | Jimmy89 | hmmm |
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| 14:49.45 | jargon- | i can't get my network installation passed the release file download. "Bad archive mirror". tried different mirrors. anyone else? and how come the timestamps say june 2011 but when i download and untar it's march 2011?? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 14:50.08 | volkswagner | Let me ask, what is the proper way to start LXDE in Debian6 to get shutdown permission? |
| 14:50.08 | Jimmy89 | so you think I should delete the array volume |
| 14:50.10 | Jimmy89 | then recrate? |
| 14:50.11 | stew | Jimmy89: if you --examine the individual components, do they appear to be the same uuid/checksum/events whatever? |
| 14:50.22 | Jimmy89 | I will check |
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| 14:51.13 | stew | what you *should* do is probably to eliminate whatever problem caused them to become faulty, and rebuild, then restore from backup... |
| 14:51.23 | Jimmy89 | yep they all have the same UUID |
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| 14:51.43 | Jimmy89 | yep cause of course I keep a backup of 10tb of files :p |
| 14:51.52 | abrotman | volkswagner: i have lxde on my netbook, my lxde menu works fine to shutdown/reboot/suspend |
| 14:52.01 | stew | Jimmy89: what about checksum/events |
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| 14:52.06 | abrotman | volkswagner: i will say that I use GDM though |
| 14:52.15 | Jimmy89 | checksum says correct for all |
| 14:52.28 | volkswagner | So is a login manager now mandatory? |
| 14:52.35 | wols | volkswagner: if you run a light DM like slim or wdm, does the problem persist? |
| 14:52.36 | abrotman | dunno, try it, see if it works |
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| 14:52.51 | abrotman | i figured i pulled enough gtk/gnome stuff in with openbox, gdm was okay |
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| 14:53.10 | Jimmy89 | ok |
| 14:53.15 | Jimmy89 | my raid seems to be inactive now |
| 14:53.37 | volkswagner | wols: I can try, but I was hoping not to use one.. If it does work, will it help diagnose what is needed to run LXDE without login manager? |
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| 14:54.07 | jelly | Hi! Is there a tool similar to fail2ban that can detect and mitigate distributed authentication bruteforce attacks? |
| 14:54.28 | blink_ | is there a problem with the scponly binary for amd64 on squeeze? any time I invoke it, it exists with status 1 |
| 14:54.38 | jelly | I'm interesting in protecting an exposed Postfix SMTP AUTH server. |
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| 14:54.55 | stew | jelly: perhaps using an iptables rule to limit how often a service can get SYN packets? |
| 14:55.23 | pipeline | jelly: on a public-facing server, fail2ban can be a denial of service. Anyone on the same NAT as an employee could break his access. |
| 14:55.37 | pipeline | jelly: easier to use client SSL certificates, or make SMTP accessible only through VPN |
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| 14:56.04 | stew | i assumed the "distributed" part means that he's worried about the situation where he's NOT getting multiple connections from the same IP |
| 14:56.12 | stew | (and therefore fail2ban doens't work) |
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| 14:59.10 | jargon- | i can't get my network installation passed the release file download. "Bad archive mirror". tried different mirrors. anyone else? and how come the timestamps say june 2011 but when i download and untar it's march 2011?? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 14:59.55 | wols | jargon-: just install without any archive? not as if you need it |
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| 15:01.54 | ws2k3 | wols i finaly have my vsftpd to far that it auths with virtual users. but how can i use virtual and local users in pam? |
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| 15:02.25 | i0x71 | Hey, anyone know how long debian 6 will be supported for ? |
| 15:02.48 | jargon- | long |
| 15:02.55 | stew | i0x71: for one year after wheezy is released |
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| 15:06.25 | i0x71 | ubuntu is like a retarded cousin of debian |
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| 15:06.41 | i0x71 | anyone have an approximate number for the support for deb 6 |
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| 15:06.59 | tharkun | i0x71: What is your concern? |
| 15:07.03 | blink_ | scponly, when invoked, exits status 1 --> http://pastebin.com/aU3Ccpdk |
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| 15:07.13 | blink_ | anybody that can help me, muchas gracias |
| 15:07.47 | blink_ | could be that I'm root. I'm guessing that's it. |
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| 15:14.13 | jelly | stew; pipeline: this is a small isp, not a single entity. I can't change the policies at this moment, nor distribute 140k client ssl certs efficiently ;-) |
| 15:14.27 | iateadonut | :-Xftfryyufuyyvcyvycvctvttrt ctctcyc |
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| 15:14.40 | jelly | let alone teach them all to use ssl |
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| 15:15.36 | jelly | iateadonut: did you eat a spider |
| 15:16.07 | wols | jelly: so what is the common thing for all those bruteforce attacks? |
| 15:16.20 | wols | same login names? |
| 15:16.26 | jelly | wols: pretty much |
| 15:16.33 | tharkun | jelly: take a loot a netfilter recent module |
| 15:16.48 | jelly | tharkun: that doesn't help. |
| 15:16.56 | wols | so can't you ban based on those? |
| 15:17.09 | jelly | wols: I'm asking for a tool that can do that |
| 15:17.24 | tharkun | jelly: combine that with log and fail2ban it can really do wonders |
| 15:17.31 | yow | hi. may i know how i can direct the output (mostly wget ouputs) of `jigdo-lite' to a log file or /dev/null or possibly both, or, make it quiet? |
| 15:17.56 | wols | jelly: process your (failed) login entries from logs and feed it to fail2ban? |
| 15:18.10 | jelly | wols: can fail2ban do that? |
| 15:18.47 | Jimmy89 | ah ok, I found the active sync by doing --examine on one the sd* devices |
| 15:18.54 | wols | from what I saw, fail2ban is a bunch of scripts controlling it all. /etc/fail2ban/action.d/ might have pointers |
| 15:18.56 | Jimmy89 | I found the two which are active |
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| 15:18.58 | yow | another problem is that i notice for download of each file via wget using jigdo has to perform the anonymous login, which i reckon is very inefficient. if there a way to avoid logging in for each file/download? |
| 15:19.10 | jelly | if (username U had N failed logins in U unit of time) { block _all_ the IPs that we've seen failed logins from } |
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| 15:19.41 | jelly | wols: I did not see it could aggregate IP sets |
| 15:19.47 | Jimmy89 | you can't use assume-clean in manage mode of mdadm :( |
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| 15:21.28 | i0x71 | tharkun: im deciding on a server os for a development server, between ubuntu, centos and debian, i need as much point as i can find, and how long the releases are supported is one of them |
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| 15:23.59 | ansgar | i0x71: Debian is supported for at least a year after the next release. Releases are about every two years, that gives you three years support. |
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| 15:24.33 | i0x71 | ansgar: thanks |
| 15:24.34 | ansgar | i0x71: There have been ideas about providing longer support, but nothing has been decided yet. |
| 15:24.36 | tharkun | i0x71: Unofficially, since i am no authority on the debian project you can count on a 4 year release cycle for debian, as for ubuntu i know there are some LTS versions that are supported for 5 years. Differences between both releases might depend on taste and the actual software your aplications will interact |
| 15:25.01 | i0x71 | sounds good, thanks |
| 15:25.13 | wols | tharkun: check your release cycle estimate again please |
| 15:25.16 | ansgar | i0x71: Also Debian provides support for all packages (other distributions such as Ubuntu might only provide extended support for a subset. |
| 15:25.40 | Parsifal | Etch was supported for about three years after its release, if I remember correctly. |
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| 15:26.23 | tharkun | wols: will do |
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| 15:31.07 | tharkun | wols: according to official factoids the release cycle is somewhat a little shorter than two years. |
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| 15:37.51 | jelly | past performance is no indication of future results |
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| 15:38.07 | tharkun | Gentlemen how do i make perl stop complaining about LANGUAGE = (unset) on a chroot? |
| 15:38.24 | jelly | use existing locale settings |
| 15:38.32 | jelly | erm, |
| 15:38.35 | tharkun | jelly: dpkg-reconfigure locale? |
| 15:38.40 | jelly | use locale settings that exist in the chroot |
| 15:39.19 | jelly | tharkun: if you have locales package installed, you could do that and compile locales you want, sure |
| 15:39.33 | tharkun | jelly: LANGUAGE = (unset) LC_ALL = (unset) LANG = "en_US.UTF-8 |
| 15:39.43 | jelly | tharkun: unset LANG |
| 15:40.02 | jelly | and everything else |
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| 15:42.43 | iateadonut | sorry... my daughter wrote that. |
| 15:43.59 | wols | she's learning fast :) |
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| 15:51.57 | tharkun | wols: BTW thanks I've been sbb all night and it seems the server afore mentioned is stabilizing :D |
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| 15:54.45 | Lost_Cause | I have ddclient instsalled on my box and it works perfectly. But I found out that it doesn't start-up on boot up and I can't find a way to do that. can anyone help |
| 15:55.12 | wols | Lost_Cause: nothing in /etc/init.d/ belonging to it? |
| 15:55.13 | tharkun | Lost_Cause: take a look at the man page. There it says how to do that |
| 15:56.38 | Lost_Cause | wols: ya i added a file but it doesn't seem to be working |
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| 15:57.35 | wols | I didn't ask you for you adding something but if there is a file by ddclient in there, made by installing ddclient |
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| 15:58.21 | wols | e.g. ez-ipupdate provides an init.d file to start it |
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| 16:00.07 | Lost_Cause | not theres not |
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| 16:03.26 | tharkun | Lost_Cause: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.6K Mar 28 2010 ddclient |
| 16:03.43 | tharkun | ls -lah /etc/init.d/ddclient |
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| 16:04.15 | tharkun | and dpkg -L ddclient should tell you what is on the package |
| 16:04.32 | tharkun | also for it to properly work you need to daemonize ddclient on its config file |
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| 16:05.14 | tharkun | discovered downloaded and installed ddclient yesterday |
| 16:05.56 | Lost_Cause | tharkun: Is that how to get it to work on start up. Cause it works fine other than it won't launch during start up |
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| 16:06.17 | wols | !tell Lost_Cause about rc.local |
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| 16:07.00 | swilson06 | ummmm, i'm being brain dead here: http://pastebin.com/Jut5qFBb |
| 16:07.17 | tharkun | Lost_Cause: you need to have the startup script on your runlevel directory so the os knows that it has to be runned. The exact procedure is beyond me. I usually use ln -s but there is a fail safe one for debian |
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| 16:08.00 | tharkun | !tell Lost_Cause about init.d |
| 16:08.05 | wols | swilson06: swilson is not root and cannot write to it |
| 16:08.12 | Bushmills | wouldn't one want to run ddclient from a dhcp client hook, for when a new ip address is obtained? |
| 16:08.29 | Bushmills | (instead of daemonizing and polling for address changes) |
| 16:08.40 | wols | Bushmills: if it's really a daemon, I don't think so. ez-ipupdate ran as a daemon too |
| 16:08.51 | swilson06 | yeah, it is in the staff group though.... |
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| 16:09.11 | swilson06 | i realized that the chmod wasn't 775, but it's still messing up |
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| 16:09.21 | tharkun | Bushmills: you can daemonize ddclient so it runs on the local lan and updates your public ip |
| 16:09.40 | swilson06 | i did init q after adding the user to /etc/group.... |
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| 16:09.46 | Bushmills | tharkun: that's what i think makes no sense - there's no need to run such an updater as daemon |
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| 16:11.01 | tharkun | Bushmills: a cronjob would do the same job? |
| 16:11.51 | Bushmills | tharkun: how do you find out if somebody wants to visit you? do you look at your door every 2 minutes,. whether somebody is standing there, wanting to come in? |
| 16:12.03 | Bushmills | no .. you're smart - you have a door bell" |
| 16:12.04 | Bushmills | ! |
| 16:12.10 | Lost_Cause | could I just set up cron run to run ddclient when starting up? |
| 16:12.30 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:12.55 | Bushmills | dhcp clients usually have hooks to run such a service from |
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| 16:14.41 | jhutchins_lt | Lost_Cause: What kind of dhcp environment do you have? Does your address change every time you boot? Does it change while you're "live"? |
| 16:15.07 | Bushmills | do you want to reboot your machine when address changes :P |
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| 16:15.19 | Lost_Cause | it doesn't change when I boot and rarely changes when live |
| 16:15.38 | Bushmills | so it makes perfectly sense to check every minute or so whether it has changed ... |
| 16:15.42 | jhutchins_lt | If it changes when live, what kind of problem would it cause? |
| 16:16.11 | Bushmills | the less frequently an event occurs, the more frequently you want to check for it, right? |
| 16:16.17 | jhutchins_lt | On my ISP my address only changes if I change modems. Editing my zone files if that happens is good enough to keep me on line. |
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| 16:16.51 | Lost_Cause | The problem I was haivng was that my power went out and when it came back my computer turns back on and I have a different ip address |
| 16:17.04 | jhutchins_lt | On the other hand, a casino I used to maintain in Mexico has service from TelMex, and they force IP changes regularly. In order to be able to access it remotely, I run ddclient to make sure it catches the change and I don't loose connectivity. |
| 16:17.11 | wols | Lost_Cause: don't you have a router or is debian your router? |
| 16:17.25 | Lost_Cause | i have a router let me finish |
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| 16:17.46 | Lost_Cause | i am going away for a while and I lose power for a short time maybe once a week |
| 16:17.51 | tharkun | Lost_Cause: set up your init.d script as needed and when your system reboots. it will update your ip and everytime it changes |
| 16:18.07 | Lost_Cause | now the problem is that since I will be away I need ddclient to run at start up so I can still ssh into it |
| 16:18.27 | wols | Lost_Cause: if you have a router, how does your debian box know your public IP? |
| 16:18.52 | valdyn | Lost_Cause: even cheap routers have something like ddclient built in, doesnt yours? |
| 16:19.11 | Lost_Cause | i set up ddclient to look it up on the web through dyndns ip checker |
| 16:19.30 | Bushmills | openwrt, probably dd-wrt too, comes with udhcp as dhcp client, even that one provides a hook for when ip address has been requested from dhcpd |
| 16:19.43 | tharkun | wols: dyndns protocol |
| 16:20.01 | jhutchins_lt | Lost_Cause: Just run it as a standard daemon. It doesn't use much in the way of resources and it works fine. |
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| 16:20.14 | Lost_Cause | I have a fios router so to use the advanced services on it you have to pay extra |
| 16:20.20 | jhutchins_lt | Lost_Cause: That way if your IP changes while you're live you don't have a problem. |
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| 16:20.44 | tharkun | valdyn: that feature is used by ddclient to get the ip and send it to the dyndns server to publish it |
| 16:20.45 | Lost_Cause | jhutchins_lt: it works fine and I have it doing what i need it to do other than it won't start up on boot up |
| 16:21.01 | wols | Lost_Cause: dpkg messaged you |
| 16:21.02 | valdyn | tharkun: umm? |
| 16:21.08 | jhutchins_lt | Lost_Cause: Then re-read the setup directions. It works fine. |
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| 16:21.36 | tharkun | valdyn: ddclient --help has a really long text explaining lots of stuff |
| 16:21.50 | valdyn | tharkun: sure, but why would i use ddclient when my router already does that |
| 16:21.50 | Lost_Cause | http://pastebin.com/Qce41crL does that look like it should work right in /etc/init.d/ddclient |
| 16:22.08 | tharkun | valdyn: because your router does not update your dyndns records |
| 16:22.12 | valdyn | tharkun: now, Lost_Cause thinks he would have to pay for that, so nvm |
| 16:22.17 | valdyn | tharkun: mine does |
| 16:22.25 | valdyn | tharkun: all i have seen lately do |
| 16:22.36 | tharkun | valdyn: mine doesn't :( |
| 16:22.38 | Lost_Cause | jhutchins_lt: the instructions for getting it to autorun in boot are for ubuntu and red hat |
| 16:22.42 | wols | Lost_Cause: it doesn't workright |
| 16:22.48 | wols | !tell Lost_Cause about lsb tags |
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| 16:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | Lost_Cause: Works just the same in debian. |
| 16:23.41 | jhutchins_lt | wols: RedHat init scripts all have lsb tags. |
| 16:24.13 | Bushmills | links -dump http://scarydevilmonastery.net/myip.cgi | sed -n 's/REMOTE_ADDR=//p # <- your ip address. also links2 or lynx would do. or curl, wget with html2text etc. |
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| 16:24.26 | wols | jhutchins_lt: they might have, but what he pasted did not |
| 16:24.42 | Bushmills | missing closing ' |
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| 16:25.25 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Well, I ran ddclient on a bunch of CentOS boxes and never had a problem with it just working as advertized. Took a bit to figure out the configuration, but it worked like it was supposed to. |
| 16:25.28 | stew | does ddclient not come with its own init script? |
| 16:25.37 | tharkun | yes it does |
| 16:25.48 | jhutchins_lt | One that worked fine for me. |
| 16:25.50 | stew | i don't know why we are looking at a different one then |
| 16:26.10 | wols | stew: I asked him about it. he said there were non in /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:26.10 | jhutchins_lt | All I had to mess with was the config file for server, address source, user, passwd, etc. |
| 16:26.22 | stew | if there is none in /etc/init.d its probably a confmiss |
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| 16:26.59 | jhutchins_lt | Lost_Cause: Did you get the ddclient from dyndns directly? |
| 16:27.05 | Lost_Cause | yes |
| 16:27.06 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: What protocol did you use? |
| 16:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | Lost_Cause: Delete it and install it from aptitude. |
| 16:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Pretty sure I just stuck with the default. |
| 16:27.56 | Lost_Cause | I will try to reinstall it using aptitude |
| 16:28.15 | Bushmills | wonders over wonder, debian ddclient comes with an /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ddclient script ... |
| 16:28.15 | jhutchins_lt | Lost_Cause: That will make sure all the bits end up in the right places for Debian. |
| 16:28.18 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: I need to set it up on no-ip which I know it is possible yet i do not know which protocol to usee |
| 16:29.20 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I seem to recall there's a paragraph in the default config file that shows the no-ip server and how to set it up. |
| 16:30.02 | wols | Bushmills: maybe the maintainer is a merkin? |
| 16:30.16 | wols | oh. misread. it does come with such a script. |
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| 16:31.23 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: Thanks i'll take a deeper look. I don't know how i missed it |
| 16:31.55 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I don't have one now or I'd be able to help you walk through it. Too bad no-ip doesn't have a howto. |
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| 16:32.41 | jhutchins_lt | I was surprized at how versatile the client package was, you could set it up for just about any service. |
| 16:32.58 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: thanks Anyway i think i'll manage. If i run into trouble i'll bug you |
| 16:33.11 | jhutchins_lt | Good luck! |
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| 16:34.51 | Bushmills | wols: he (maintainer) must feel deeply offended that after his efforts to provide an event driven config, users now think of running that thing periodically from a crontab, or worse :) |
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| 16:36.21 | wols | Bushmills: in Lost_Cause's cause it's the right way to do it. only with stupid ISPs, like our european ones that script is useful :( |
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| 16:36.48 | tharkun | wols: Add me to that list |
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| 16:37.52 | Bushmills | disagree. dhcp client (or ppp) runs that hook whether the reason is obtaining a new ip address because of booting or lease expired or requesting a new lease or whatever. |
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| 16:39.17 | Bushmills | what if machine reboots but fails during boot to obtain network connection (ip address), but does so a few minutes later? |
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| 16:40.09 | valdyn | tharkun: btw, dnydns will boot you if you reset the ip needlessly |
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| 16:41.11 | tharkun | valdyn: nice to know. But the clients usually check if their ip's have changed before updating it |
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| 16:42.15 | valdyn | tharkun: i dont know, ddclient used to be made to be event driven, and it didnt do any checks |
| 16:42.17 | wols | Bushmills: then the daemon will notice it and set the correct IP |
| 16:42.35 | valdyn | tharkun: but thats many years ago, i have not used it for more than 5 years |
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| 16:43.17 | Lost_Cause | i reinstalled through aptitude. does anyone know where the config file is so i can check to make sure it was set up correctly during isntall |
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| 16:44.04 | valdyn | Lost_Cause: dpkg -L ddclient | grep etc |
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| 16:44.41 | stew | that will miss the config file since it isn't a conffile |
| 16:44.53 | stew | (it looks like ddclient creates a config file in the postinst) |
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| 16:44.58 | valdyn | probably |
| 16:45.05 | valdyn | is that legal? |
| 16:45.06 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.07 | stew | sure |
| 16:45.13 | valdyn | damn |
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| 16:46.13 | c0nsense | Hello, i need from help, someone can help me? http://pastebin.com/fF28MVr0 |
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| 16:47.15 | tharkun | c0nsense: what mta are you using? |
| 16:47.17 | wols | c0nsense: more info needed. like what MTA, what you're trying to accomplish, etc |
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| 16:47.53 | wols | ah. looks like exim4 |
| 16:47.56 | c0nsense | tharkun, wols: exim4 |
| 16:48.03 | stew | valdyn: its legal to generate the file in postinst, as long as doing so doesn't overwrite any changes the user might have made. in this case it is fine becuase it only generates the file in postinst if the file is missing completely |
| 16:48.04 | valdyn | c0nsense: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:49.04 | stew | and if you want a config file to be generated from debconf questions, this is sort of how you have to do it |
| 16:49.20 | c0nsense | valdyn: i do it before come here ;( |
| 16:49.33 | valdyn | c0nsense: i know, but you entered invalid data |
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| 16:50.16 | Lost_Cause | alright last test. I have to reset my ip and turn off my box and see if it works when booting up |
| 16:50.23 | Lost_Cause | thanks for the help |
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| 16:51.01 | valdyn | c0nsense: if you show the output for "grep dc_relay_nets /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf", we might be able to tell you whats wrong |
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| 16:54.39 | c0nsense | valdyn: root@mailsrv:/etc/exim4# grep dc_relay_nets /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 16:54.39 | c0nsense | dc_relay_nets='' |
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| 16:55.15 | valdyn | c0nsense: looks good |
| 16:55.45 | valdyn | c0nsense: somethings went wrong where MAIN_RELAY_NETS is supposed to be substituded by the actual nets |
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| 17:03.15 | stosh | anyone know how to keep a debian box connected to a dsl router? I installed debian yesterday and plugged into home network and this morning it was disconnected from network. Had to restart. |
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| 17:03.59 | valdyn | stosh: we cannot debug this if you restarted |
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| 17:04.48 | stosh | any common causes? |
| 17:05.03 | valdyn | stosh: no, commonly it does not disconnect by itself |
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| 17:07.01 | stosh | i'm also getting a disconnected / reconnected window pop up every once in a while. I had something very similar happen on windows recently and it turned out to be my duplex settings. Wonder if that could be the culprit? |
| 17:07.30 | valdyn | stosh: how would you know its similar except that it also disconnects? |
| 17:07.44 | wols | stosh: how did you configure your LAN settings in debian? |
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| 17:07.50 | valdyn | stosh: it can be many things |
| 17:08.01 | jhutchins_lt | stosh: Sounds like you need to trade in your router. |
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| 17:10.22 | stosh | its an old router. I haven't really configured any lan settings in debian. I changed a line in /etc/network/interfaces to allow dhcp and thats all I've really done. (and its still being allocated statically) |
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| 17:12.12 | jhutchins_lt | stosh: Unless you have a marginal quality or failing network card, I would suggest that the router may be failing. |
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| 17:12.41 | jhutchins_lt | stosh: I run a debian 5 server remotely in Tucson, AZ, and it stays on line 24/7 just fine. |
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| 17:13.13 | jhutchins_lt | stosh: I run another in Kansas City behind a dd-wrt router and it, too, runs 24/7. |
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| 17:14.45 | jhutchins_lt | stosh: The only uptime problem I've had in years was a Mandriva server that was running some imbicilic "security scan" that checked the permissions of every file on the disk - it would cause the disk to lock up. |
| 17:15.04 | flu- | ^- lol |
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| 17:16.03 | stosh | i know debian's rep, that's why i'm using it. I assume it's either a hardware/router problem or lack of knowledge on my part. I need to update router anyway so it's a good place to start. |
| 17:16.27 | rypervenche | How would one disable the root account and just use sudo, (basically like it is at installation if you don't choose a root password) ? |
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| 17:16.59 | jhutchins_lt | rypervenche: First get sudo working, the lock the account. |
| 17:17.15 | rypervenche | jhutchins_lt: I have sudo working, how would I lock the account? |
| 17:17.28 | valdyn | rypervenche: why the hell would you do this? |
| 17:17.30 | stew | rypervenche: with usermod |
| 17:17.43 | Bushmills | you can't. you can disable the password, for example, but you can't get rid of uid 0 |
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| 17:18.02 | Bushmills | "root" is just a convenience name for that account |
| 17:18.20 | jhutchins_lt | rypervenche: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+lock+account |
| 17:18.27 | rypervenche | valdyn: I don't personally, but I would like to know how to do it. I recently had a need for root and after my experience with Arch, I use it sometimes now. |
| 17:18.37 | maligor | Bushmills, is that a challenge? |
| 17:18.42 | rypervenche | Ok, thank you. |
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| 17:19.08 | maligor | I always wanted root to be uid -1 anyway |
| 17:19.32 | valdyn | hah, make a kernel patch |
| 17:19.45 | Bushmills | maligor: quite dangerous - nobody is often mapped to 65535 - or 65534, i think, in case of debian |
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| 17:22.38 | stew | uid_t is unsigned, so having -1 would be a HUGE patch to LOTS of different packages :) |
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| 17:31.46 | twobitsprite | rypervenche: You don't want to actually disable the account, odds are you just want it to not be able to login from ssh or something. You can disable root ssh login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 17:32.15 | stew | twobitsprite: why might he not want to disable it? |
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| 17:32.36 | stew | like, what might he lose by disabling it? |
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| 17:33.12 | stew | (and I'm assuming here that 'disable' means 'lock' in the usermod/passwd sense) |
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| 17:40.24 | twobitsprite | sorry... cleaning crew came through to vacuum |
| 17:40.38 | twobitsprite | stew: yeah, I was going to say, it depends on what you mean by "disable" |
| 17:41.23 | twobitsprite | however, if you do as the passwd man page suggests and do something like "usermod -e 1 root", I'm pretty sure you run in to problems, such as cron jobs not running, and it might even break sudo |
| 17:42.46 | Bushmills | luckily sudo is optional, and can be removed. if removing packages still works :) |
| 17:42.56 | twobitsprite | lol |
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| 17:44.00 | gwern | so, apparently you can't run GUI apps anymore from cron even wit the right $DISPLAY var unless you've run 'xhost local:' in that X session. is there any way to make that permanent? |
| 17:44.06 | twobitsprite | generally though, I think simply blocking root from logging in to ssh is sufficient |
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| 17:44.43 | twobitsprite | GUI apps from cron? |
| 17:45.04 | Bushmills | gwern: setting XAUTHORITY env variable correctly may help |
| 17:45.07 | gwern | twobitsprite: sure, suppose I want to run evince on a random PDF every day. |
| 17:45.39 | twobitsprite | I suppose... just never heard or thought about it... |
| 17:46.13 | gwern | twobitsprite: or say I want to take a screenshot every 10 minutes, or a webcam shot |
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| 17:46.36 | gwern | twobitsprite: or suppose I want redshift to adjust the X color temperature so as to not piss all over my circadian rhythms |
| 17:46.42 | twobitsprite | ok, I get it :P |
| 17:46.49 | gwern | twobitsprite: ...actually I do an awful lot in crontab now that I list it out :) |
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| 17:48.11 | gwern | Bushmills: I don't follow. $XAUTHORITY seems to change every X instance, how would my crontab get it? |
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| 17:49.11 | Bushmills | gwern: you point it to the mit magic cookie of the user running the xsession your cronjob wants access to, and set permissions of that cookie such that the user running the cronjob can read the cookie |
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| 17:50.31 | gwern | Bushmills: oh, you mean have a line in the conrtab like 'XAUTHORY=~/.Xauthority'? hm, its ownership is gwern:gwern, but I guess that's not the crontab user |
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| 17:51.10 | Bushmills | about like that, though ~ is probably not understood in a crontab |
| 17:51.28 | twobitsprite | gwern: the crontab will run as whatever user the crontab is set up for, right? |
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| 17:52.17 | gwern | twobitsprite: well, I thought it did, but Bushmills implied it didn't, and I remember trying *something* to do with setting XAUTHORY to my .Xauthority and it not working at all |
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| 17:53.15 | Bushmills | i did not imply that it would or wouldn't run as a certain user. i said to set permissions of that cookie such that the user running the cronjob can read the cookie - who runs the cronjob is up to you. |
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| 17:54.17 | Bushmills | if your cronjob runs as the same user it wants access to the xsession, permissions to access the cookie would have been handled already |
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| 18:05.29 | jhutchins_lt | Y'know, X really ought to be able to detect keyboard activty and not be so sensitive to mouse (touchpad) clicks when someone is actively typing. |
| 18:05.52 | sacredchao | How can I prevent wicd-client GTK from autostarting with my desktop environment best? |
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| 18:05.55 | jhutchins_lt | Didn't use to be a problem on my old full-size Toshiba but it's a real pain on the Acer One netbook. |
| 18:06.41 | Bushmills | sacredchao: your desktop environment has a sort of session manager which starts a list of apps. remove wicd from that list |
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| 18:09.19 | sacredchao | Bushmills: It's not in the KDE autostart.... I think it autostarts in LXDE as well... where do I look for desktop environment agnostic settings? |
| 18:09.21 | homie | heh, seems the device id's fo my usb laserjet printer are not available on debian squeeze and upwards |
| 18:09.53 | homie | enen lsusb does not show anything, tho my printer is attached on the hub |
| 18:09.59 | homie | 4-port hub |
| 18:10.20 | Bushmills | sacredchao: there are none, to my knowledge. session managers are DE specific, though they may share information |
| 18:10.32 | wols | jhutchins_lt: clits ftw! |
| 18:11.26 | jhutchins_lt | homie: An obvious step would be to connect it directly. You should also check dmesg just after plugging it in and see what it says. |
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| 18:13.16 | homie | jhutchins_lt: i don't think that will change anything, i don't think it's the hub which is at fault, cause i have another device there which works.... |
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| 18:13.40 | jhutchins_lt | homie: If you already know the answer, why are you asking us? |
| 18:13.51 | wols | I wonder what example was used to make this cartoon: http://xkcd.com/910/ :) |
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| 18:14.07 | homie | jhutchins_lt: i didn't tell i know the answer.....not 100% sure... |
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| 18:14.38 | robokop | sacredchao: {,~/.local}/etc/xdg/autostart/ might be a DE agnostic location |
| 18:14.59 | shundake | Hello everyone! |
| 18:15.40 | homie | hell shundae |
| 18:15.51 | homie | err hello shundake |
| 18:15.52 | homie | lol |
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| 18:15.54 | homie | sorry |
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| 18:16.20 | shundake | homie: Hello |
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| 18:18.13 | shundake | homie: Did you heard something about some HDMI that doesn't output any sound? |
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| 18:18.47 | homie | shundake: nope, sorry i don't have anything hdmi based here |
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| 18:19.35 | shundake | homie: thx friend |
| 18:20.03 | jhutchins_lt | shundake: I've seen people have that problem here, but not sure what the solution was. Seems like it's a matter of selecting the right devices/cards in the mixer. |
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| 18:20.16 | Derick | i seem to have a dependency issue when running aptitude full-upgrade, which I can't seem to solve. I'm upgrading unstable from a slightly older version, but my kernel is too old (2.6.8) to do the upgrade. As suggested I (tried to install "-t lenny linux-image-2.6") but that doesn't seem to work either. |
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| 18:21.24 | homie | np yw |
| 18:22.08 | wols | Derick: 2.6.8? how old is that installation? |
| 18:22.14 | Derick | so I am now stuck at: http://pastebin.com/XFXqb78H |
| 18:22.15 | shundake | jhutchins: Hum... I've tried to change all the cards in mixer.. |
| 18:22.22 | Derick | wols: for some reason, the kernel was held back :-/ |
| 18:22.40 | Derick | wols: the other packages aren't that old really |
| 18:22.41 | shundake | jhutchins: And some options on module... But I can't fix it |
| 18:22.42 | wols | Derick: so install a new kernel |
| 18:22.56 | shundake | wols: Hi friend |
| 18:22.59 | Derick | wols: yes, I tried that of course |
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| 18:23.12 | wols | !tell Derick about errors |
| 18:23.13 | jhutchins_lt | Derick: First you need to get your current release up to date, get the current kernel for that release, then start reading release notes and step through any intermediate relaeses. |
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| 18:23.42 | Derick | wols: I know; that's why I made a paste: http://pastebin.com/XFXqb78H |
| 18:24.02 | wols | Derick: in that paste you aren't trying to install a kernel, are you? |
| 18:25.09 | Derick | wols: one sec, installing the kernel gives: http://pastebin.com/0xYiBj9A |
| 18:25.18 | wols | Derick: I suggest you install new libc6, kernel and libc-dev-bin all in one command |
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| 18:25.49 | davve | hello... i cant identify my dvd reader for some reason :( there is only /dev/sda no other serial devices. help ! |
| 18:25.56 | davve | sda being my hdd |
| 18:25.59 | Derick | wols: like: aptitude install libc6 linux-image-686 libc-dev-bin ? |
| 18:26.05 | wols | yes |
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| 18:26.48 | Bushmills | davve: try wodim scan |
| 18:26.50 | wols | Derick: but I suggest you use lenny first |
| 18:26.58 | wols | Derick: ie. upgrade to a proper lenny |
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| 18:27.12 | Bushmills | oh ... "reader". sry |
| 18:27.35 | Derick | meaning, get rid of unstable, and upgrade to lenny? because installing all at the same time ended up with: http://pastebin.com/EseSD80a |
| 18:27.36 | wols | Derick: you are trying to update a very very old sid which is basically in neglect since lenny. that is still very old |
| 18:27.42 | Derick | right |
| 18:28.21 | Bushmills | davve: any /dev/sr* ? |
| 18:28.34 | wols | try to dpkg -i a lenny kernel first. and then upgrade to squeeze if you can |
| 18:28.52 | Derick | wols: i did that with the -t lenny, no luck |
| 18:29.00 | davve | Bushmills: nothing there.. trying to interpret wodim output |
| 18:29.16 | wols | !tell Derick about errors |
| 18:29.18 | davve | no /dev/sr* that is |
| 18:29.23 | Derick | wols: I already pasted that :P |
| 18:29.49 | wols | Derick: no you did not paste the error you get when you tried to install a lenny kernel. |
| 18:30.12 | davve | Bushmills: http://pastie.org/2068059 |
| 18:30.14 | Derick | hmm, sorry, i thought I did... one sec. trying the full-upgrade to lenny now |
| 18:30.17 | Bushmills | davve: any clue in dmesg? |
| 18:30.20 | Derick | Removing libc-dev-bin ... |
| 18:30.20 | Derick | Removing libc-bin ... |
| 18:30.24 | Derick | that's not good though |
| 18:30.39 | wols | Derick: NO full upgrade. do a install with dpkg!!!!! of a lenny kernel |
| 18:31.05 | davve | Bushmills: not really. i tried greping the manufacturer / dvd / cd without any success |
| 18:31.11 | mauve_alert | Hi I'm new to linux, I've got wordpress installed on a debian machine and I've got ftp installed, but I guess I need to create an ftp user with access to the www folder. Does that sound right? |
| 18:31.11 | Derick | ah, dpkg... is not something you'd mentioned. I assumed you meant apt-get/aptitude |
| 18:31.25 | wols | Derick: reinstall your debian. and never ever install sid again. you clearly can't deal with conflicting packaging issues. |
| 18:31.39 | wols | Derick: < wols> try to dpkg -i a lenny kernel first. and then upgrade to squeeze if you can |
| 18:31.45 | Derick | i missed that |
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| 18:31.55 | Derick | where would I find a kernel? |
| 18:31.55 | mauve_alert | ... wordpress' "update" button failed. I'm trying ot ifx that |
| 18:32.03 | wols | packages.debian.org |
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| 18:32.20 | Bushmills | davve: is that an ubuntu wodim version? |
| 18:32.21 | davve | im really certain it is connected and working since i made the debian installation from cd |
| 18:32.24 | wols | but you should get a debian squeeze installer and use that |
| 18:32.28 | Derick | wols: I knew the locatoin, but wondering which of the gazillion files |
| 18:32.33 | Derick | wols: I would, if this machine was local |
| 18:32.35 | Derick | it's not |
| 18:32.52 | davve | Bushmills: Cdrecord-yelling-line-to-tell-frontends-to-use-it-like-version 2.01.01a03-dvd |
| 18:32.55 | davve | Wodim 1.1.11 |
| 18:33.09 | davve | i got it through aptitude |
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| 18:33.59 | _KaszpiR_ | damn |
| 18:34.03 | Bushmills | that's not debian stable you're running. what is it? |
| 18:34.09 | _KaszpiR_ | i cant get SNMP UPS-MIB to work |
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| 18:34.40 | davve | wheezy, testing |
| 18:34.46 | jelly-home | ,versions cdrkit |
| 18:34.46 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'cdrkit' was found in i386. |
| 18:34.53 | jelly-home | ,versions wodim |
| 18:34.53 | judd | Package wodim on i386 -- lenny: 9:1.1.9-1; sid: 9:1.1.11-1; squeeze: 9:1.1.11-1; wheezy: 9:1.1.11-1 |
| 18:35.26 | jelly-home | 9: o.O |
| 18:35.44 | davve | hm ! |
| 18:35.57 | simonlnu | mauve_alert: iirc wp supports ssh too. you'll need the php ssh2 module |
| 18:36.44 | Bushmills | oh well, the wodim was sending you on the wrong track anyway because i somehow misread "reader" as "writer" |
| 18:36.46 | davve | http://pastie.org/2068101 |
| 18:36.47 | mauve_alert | thanks simonlu, checking on the installation |
| 18:36.56 | davve | okay |
| 18:37.02 | simonlnu | lnu |
| 18:37.03 | davve | well those are my devices :) |
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| 18:38.07 | davve | could it be disk? |
| 18:38.23 | davve | hmm nope |
| 18:38.24 | homie | bah why does hp not just provide it's printers flash drivers via /lib/firmware..... |
| 18:39.00 | simonlnu | because that would be too easy |
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| 18:39.30 | Derick | wols: installing dpkg -i http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-26lenny2_i386.deb gives: http://pastebin.com/L9YE96Wu |
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| 18:41.40 | Bushmills | davve: ls /dev/disk/by-id any clues? |
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| 18:42.15 | davve | Bushmills: ohhh yes! |
| 18:42.22 | jhutchins_lt | fdisk -l? |
| 18:42.26 | davve | there are about 8 of them |
| 18:42.36 | Bushmills | ls -l of that dir should show to what device it is linked |
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| 18:44.00 | lidenbrock | hi |
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| 18:44.05 | lidenbrock | I'm trying to use v4l2 |
| 18:44.09 | lidenbrock | but it's not working |
| 18:44.13 | davve | doh, i just remembered my manufccter for dvd and hdd are the same |
| 18:44.17 | lidenbrock | where can I find jpeglib.h? |
| 18:44.28 | homie | libjpeg probably |
| 18:44.42 | homie | or the -dev package of it |
| 18:44.48 | davve | Bushmills: i'll try looking at the model number and stuffs. thanks for the tips :) |
| 18:44.57 | Bushmills | np |
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| 18:48.24 | lidenbrock | homie: on the dev package? |
| 18:48.36 | davve | Bushmills: they are all pointing to my harddrive partitions... i'll try rebooting :) |
| 18:48.59 | homie | libjpeg62-dev or libjpeg8-dev |
| 18:49.00 | simonlnu | mauve_alert: don't /msg people without asking, and please stick to the channel so other helpers can see the question. |
| 18:49.18 | simonlnu | mauve_alert: apt-cache search php ssh |
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| 18:50.42 | mauve_alert | I'm sorry simonlnu. |
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| 18:52.08 | Gorilla_No_Baka | hello |
| 18:52.31 | shundake | Somebody can help me with the HDMI audio no output of these latptop? http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=b1879c026a74f9db6b3b778754937b93418f4e55 |
| 18:53.33 | tortib | Hello, can someone help me get /etc/rc.local to work peroperly? the execute permissions are set on /etc/rc.local, /etc/init.d/rc.local is set to run on level 2,3,4 & 5, yet when I boot my machine the commands i have specified in /etc/rc.local still do not run, can someone please help me out/ |
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| 18:53.53 | Gorilla_No_Baka | i am running debian squueze with openbox and all of a sudden skype has lost its decorations and borders ... all the other apps are working perfect and the funny thing is that when i click on a contact`s name the new chat window that opens opens with all the borders and decorations.. has anybody experinced this strange behaviour? Cheers |
| 18:54.34 | lidenbrock | what means segmentation fault? |
| 18:55.01 | stew | !segmentation fault |
| 18:55.07 | Bushmills | tortib: put different commands into rc.local. like, touch /tmp/foo at the beginning, just below the hashbang |
| 18:55.20 | stew | i'm suprised the bot doesn't have an entry for that |
| 18:55.40 | Bushmills | !segfault |
| 18:55.40 | dpkg | well, segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about <sig11>, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
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| 18:55.41 | tortib | Bushmills: to test or what? |
| 18:55.42 | stew | !sig11 |
| 18:55.54 | Bushmills | tortib: right |
| 18:55.55 | stew | !sig11 |
| 18:55.55 | dpkg | [sig11] Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ Also ask me about <memtest>. |
| 18:55.59 | stew | lidenbrock: ^^ |
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| 18:56.09 | tortib | Bushmills: and if the file is created upon reboot but my other commands are not running then what? |
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| 18:56.25 | stew | tortib: make sure that whatever you put in /etc/rc.local isn't depending on environment variables that might not be set during boot time |
| 18:56.29 | lidenbrock | stew: what should I do? |
| 18:56.34 | lidenbrock | I'm trying to run V4l2 |
| 18:56.39 | Bushmills | tortib: right |
| 18:56.43 | tortib | stew: i have /usr/bin/xhost + in my rc.local |
| 18:56.53 | tortib | does it depend on $DISPLAY? |
| 18:56.56 | stew | that's crazy |
| 18:57.05 | Bushmills | tortib: that means you have been looking in the wrong place |
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| 18:57.15 | stew | tortib: it depends on x running, which it wouldn't be, and yes, depends on $DISPLAY, and is a very bad idea anyway |
| 18:57.19 | tortib | Bushmills: is there an easier way to set xhost + on boot? |
| 18:57.27 | tortib | stew: i need to do it. |
| 18:57.28 | stew | tortib: that allows anybody anywhere to watch all your keystrokes |
| 18:57.30 | Bushmills | you don't want to do that |
| 18:57.37 | tortib | stew: i'm not logged into X so it wont matter. |
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| 18:57.38 | stew | tortib: why do you need this? |
| 18:57.48 | tortib | i just need access to X becuase a program i use requires X. |
| 18:57.48 | stew | so then just remove the line |
| 18:57.49 | Bushmills | yes, it *does* |
| 18:57.52 | tortib | it's run from the command line. |
| 18:57.56 | Gorilla_No_Baka | i am running debian squeeze with openbox and all of a sudden skype has lost its decorations and borders ... all the other apps are working perfect and the funny thing is that when i click on a contact`s name the new chat window that open opens with all the borders and decorations.. has anybody experinced this strange behaviour? Cheers |
| 18:58.04 | Bushmills | xhost is an X client ... |
| 18:58.24 | stew | tortib: you want to run a command remotely that would have access to the x server on this machine? |
| 18:58.33 | davve | Bushmills: it is declared as /dev/scd0 in my /etc/fstab ... but no longer exists post installation |
| 18:58.50 | tortib | stew: i have access to the machine, nobody will ever log into the machine with X |
| 18:58.57 | Bushmills | davve: cd drive needing additional drivers? |
| 18:58.59 | davve | also /media/cdrom/ has no links to devices |
| 18:59.08 | stew | tortib: how is the x server on this machine being started? |
| 18:59.20 | stew | tortib: someone logs in, then then runs "startx"? |
| 18:59.22 | tortib | stew: it's a defeault install so i'm not exactly sure, pardon my ignorance. |
| 18:59.26 | davve | Bushmills: maybe. but it seems strange as ive ran ubuntu prior and it worked well |
| 18:59.32 | tortib | stew: no it just starts up normally. |
| 18:59.36 | davve | also the installation from cd went fine |
| 19:00.01 | Bushmills | ubuntu doesn't care as much as debian does about "proper" licenses of distributed code |
| 19:00.05 | stew | tortib: so it sits there at a login probmpt? (gdm probably?) |
| 19:00.10 | Bushmills | means, wouldn't be that strange |
| 19:00.18 | tortib | stew: correct. |
| 19:00.29 | davve | Bushmills: ah okay. i'll see if i can find some drivers |
| 19:00.49 | stew | tortib: and you want that in addition to this login prompt, some other window would appear which is running from some other machine? |
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| 19:01.32 | tortib | stew: i just need the user on the machine to access X while it isn't logged in. |
| 19:01.41 | Gorilla_No_Baka | lads..? |
| 19:01.44 | Gorilla_No_Baka | i am running debian squeeze with openbox and all of a sudden skype has lost its decorations and borders ... all the other apps are working perfect and the funny thing is that when i click on a contact`s name the new chat window that open opens with all the borders and decorations.. has anybody experinced this strange behaviour? Cheers |
| 19:01.44 | tortib | thats' why i was setting xhost + to remove the perms or i would set xhost +local:all |
| 19:01.54 | stew | tortib: i don't believe there is a way |
| 19:01.58 | tortib | stew: there is |
| 19:01.59 | Bushmills | ,versions skype |
| 19:02.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'skype' was found in i386. |
| 19:02.02 | tortib | it works FINE when I do xhost + |
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| 19:02.04 | tortib | as root |
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| 19:02.12 | tortib | then my NORMAL user can connect to X without someone being logged in. |
| 19:02.12 | stew | you don't want to do that though |
| 19:02.19 | tortib | stew: no I DO want to do that. |
| 19:02.21 | Bushmills | Gorilla_No_Baka: not a debian problem ... |
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| 19:02.40 | stew | tortib: i believe you'd want to create a non-privileged user, have that user be auto-logged in, use xauth to extract their mit-magic-cookie, and move the cookie to the other machine |
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| 19:02.50 | tortib | stew: i don't want to auto login |
| 19:02.55 | Gorilla_No_Baka | fair enough Bushmills .. is just that the openbox channel is invite only.. so... here i am |
| 19:02.59 | stew | tortib: ok |
| 19:03.00 | tortib | then someone who has access to the machine can walk up to it and do what they want. |
| 19:03.05 | Tectu | hi guys. I try to make gtk apps running under kde. I am trying to install "gtk-qt-engine" but, when i try to apt-get install it, i get the error message: E: Package 'gtk-qt-engine' has no installation candidate |
| 19:03.05 | tortib | i just want to set the xhost + |
| 19:03.24 | stew | so that ANYONE can do what they want without having to walk up to the machine? |
| 19:03.26 | Gorilla_No_Baka | i mean i after all i DID downloaded openbox from DEBIAN repositories.. |
| 19:03.29 | stew | seems backwards |
| 19:03.36 | tortib | stew: how will they be able to? |
| 19:03.40 | Bushmills | Gorilla_No_Baka: as you say "all the other apps are working perfect". except skype. i doubt you can find a lot of help for this problem here |
| 19:03.47 | tortib | nobody else is going to login to this machine remotely it isn't even accessible via ssh from the outside |
| 19:03.49 | stew | tortib: because xhost+ removes all security to the x server |
| 19:03.52 | tortib | so i really don't see your argument point. |
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| 19:03.58 | tortib | stew: I KNOW that's what I WANT. |
| 19:04.06 | tortib | that's why XHOST EXISTS. |
| 19:04.17 | Gorilla_No_Baka | it is obviously a openbox problem but i see where you`re coming from |
| 19:04.25 | shundake | Gorilla_No_Baka: Did you tried purge and remove the skype and install again? |
| 19:04.32 | stew | !xhost |
| 19:04.32 | dpkg | xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use SSH X11 forwarding, ask me about <sshx>. Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>. |
| 19:04.51 | Gorilla_No_Baka | shundake: WHY.. skype works perfectly |
| 19:04.57 | Bushmills | tortib: xhost is an x client. rc.local is run before X started |
| 19:05.11 | ompaul | creeps up behind stew and whispers xdmcp |
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| 19:05.26 | Bushmills | make that, before an X session started |
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| 19:05.59 | Bushmills | tortib: you problem is akin to trying to send something to a remote machine before your network is up |
| 19:06.01 | john_rambo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.22 | Gorilla_No_Baka | john_rambo: try the power settings |
| 19:06.52 | Gorilla_No_Baka | john_rambo: try the power management |
| 19:07.19 | john_rambo | Gorilla_No_Baka, Where is that in LXDE ? Okay serching for Power Settings/Management |
| 19:07.58 | stew | tortib: what is the problem with creating a local, non-privileged user that is automatically logged in, that doesn't also exist for xhost+? |
| 19:08.25 | stew | tortib: once you have someone automatically logged in, you can copy their magic-cookie to whatever other places should have access, instead of opening up access to everyone |
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| 19:09.13 | Gorilla_No_Baka | i would not know.. i assume you have installed lxde over a existing gnome installation.. try in console gnome-power-[references |
| 19:09.17 | Gorilla_No_Baka | preferences |
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| 19:09.48 | tortib | stew: okay i'll do that |
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| 19:10.20 | tortib | stew: but i'm still running into a problem with rc.local i guess it isn't starting up after X is running so my app that i want to start automatically isn't running. |
| 19:10.38 | jhutchins | What would cause whois to time out? |
| 19:10.44 | tortib | what run level does X usually start on? rc.local should run after 2,3,4 & 5 so i would have thought it wouldn't have been a problem. |
| 19:11.07 | tortib | Bushmills: i'm not sending anything to a remote machine, this is being done on the local machine that X is running on. |
| 19:11.08 | jhutchins | tortib: 2-5 are the same on debian. |
| 19:11.10 | Gorilla_No_Baka | john_rambo: if you have installed lxde over an existing gnome instalation type in console "gnome-power-preferences" and it will just pop out |
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| 19:11.14 | tortib | jhutchins: i know. |
| 19:11.18 | stew | tortib: by default when a DM is installed it would run on 2,3,4,5 |
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| 19:11.35 | tortib | stew: yeah but the commands i'm specifying are not being started. |
| 19:11.53 | tortib | okay how about this is there a startup script that i can specify for a user so when they login to X a program will run? |
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| 19:12.02 | stew | tortib: if they depend on DISPLAY, they wouldn't, since that is set when you login to X |
| 19:12.19 | jhutchins | tortib: Depends on what wm you're running. |
| 19:12.25 | tortib | gnome |
| 19:12.30 | Bushmills | tortib: no user runs an x session when your rc.local tries to execute xhost, which would - proper DISPLAY and process ownership assumed - try to set access to that session |
| 19:12.37 | stew | tortib: .xinitrc for startx (dependin on how the DM is setup) .xsession for DMs |
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| 19:12.57 | tortib | so i would want .xsession then |
| 19:13.02 | tortib | since i don't use startx? |
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| 19:14.29 | dutchfish | hi, how can i (if possible) us multistrap with pbuilder? any docs? |
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| 19:14.38 | dutchfish | s/us/use |
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| 19:15.01 | john_rambo | Gorilla_No_Baka, Put display to sleep is set to never in gnome-power-preferences |
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| 19:15.45 | Gorilla_No_Baka | john_rambo: how about "dim display when iddle?" |
| 19:16.10 | Gorilla_No_Baka | john_rambo: Also reduce backlight brightness |
| 19:16.32 | davve | Bushmills: lol. i had accidently unplugged my sata cable while i was vaccuming my case this weekend. im so retarded =) |
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| 19:17.31 | john_rambo | Gorilla_No_Baka, Cant find "dim display when iddle" or "reduce backlight brightness" |
| 19:17.34 | wols | davve: computer cases are a great invention :) |
| 19:17.56 | Gorilla_No_Baka | under "on Batery Power" it should be there |
| 19:18.03 | Gorilla_No_Baka | john_rambo: under "on Batery Power" it should be there |
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| 19:18.14 | davve | wols: aye |
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| 19:18.58 | _stefanos_ | good evening everyone. wols buddy, are you there? |
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| 19:19.22 | _stefanos_ | I have tried your instructions to fix my PC but it does not work. |
| 19:19.33 | john_rambo | Gorilla_No_Baka, There are only 2 tabs 1> General & 2> On AC Power .....This is a Desktop |
| 19:19.46 | _stefanos_ | I have booted from Debian DVD and did not use rescue mode and could not use the commands |
| 19:20.00 | _stefanos_ | BusyBox was running limited commands i'm afraid |
| 19:20.05 | Gorilla_No_Baka | in this case i am losst... i run debi on a 8 years old laptop.. |
| 19:20.10 | Gorilla_No_Baka | i alwys had |
| 19:20.20 | Gorilla_No_Baka | i will let the geeks answer that |
| 19:20.22 | Gorilla_No_Baka | :):P |
| 19:20.37 | Gorilla_No_Baka | sorry bud |
| 19:20.46 | JohnWittle | Has anyone ever had any luck with using x11 over a network with an actual server/client model? |
| 19:20.46 | john_rambo | Gorilla_No_Baka, Okay ... Thanks for trying |
| 19:20.51 | stew | dutchfish: i'd search for multistrap in wiki.debian.org |
| 19:21.03 | stew | JohnWittle: lots of people |
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| 19:22.26 | Gorilla_No_Baka | wow.. there`s actually people still on verizon.. Amazing, innit? |
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| 19:22.30 | jhutchins | JohnWittle: All the time. |
| 19:22.35 | blomqvist | Hi |
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| 19:22.46 | JohnWittle | Does such a setup make sense? |
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| 19:23.26 | blomqvist | does anyone has any pointers on how to pass static (non-dhcp) network configuration during boot time to debian-installer? |
| 19:23.43 | blomqvist | I don't have a dhcpd in my network |
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| 19:23.59 | jhutchins | blomqvist: It should ask. |
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| 19:24.18 | blomqvist | jhutchins, okay, but I'm trying to do an unattended install |
| 19:24.48 | stew | blomqvist: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/example-preseed.txt has an example (which is commented out) |
| 19:25.28 | blomqvist | stew, i've that information already present in my preseed file which lives on a remote host, but to get that preseed file, i need network connectivity |
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| 19:26.21 | blomqvist | there is 'netcfg/disable_dhcp' boot parameter, but not sure how to specify static network configuration then |
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| 19:28.02 | stew | blomqvist: can you not also specify all the other netcfg/whatever preseed values as boot parameters? |
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| 19:28.39 | _stefanos_ | wols: i have tried again your commands you gave me today under Ubuntu and seems that the reason they don't work is because I use LVM. I had to install lvm2 tools and a few commands to more or less apply them. |
| 19:28.49 | blomqvist | i'm not sure, not all parameters are listed in that section: The installation system recognizes a few additional boot parameters[7] which may be useful. |
| 19:29.07 | stew | blomqvist: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs02.html#preseed-bootparms |
| 19:29.26 | stew | "If a preconfiguration file cannot be used to preseed some steps, the install can still be fully automated, since you can pass preseed values on the command line when booting the installer" |
| 19:29.38 | blomqvist | oh, thanks |
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| 19:30.42 | wols | _stefanos_: we cannot help with ubuntu related problems |
| 19:31.25 | _stefanos_ | wols: this is not Ubuntu man... |
| 19:31.42 | _stefanos_ | I just told you where was the issue; you gave me wrong instructions :/ |
| 19:31.50 | stew | the "under Ubuntu" is confusing then |
| 19:31.56 | wols | "< _stefanos_> wols: i have tried again your commands you gave me today under Ubuntu" |
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| 19:32.13 | tortib | stew: i still can't get my script to run when X starts, I created a .xsession file and created a symlink to .xinitrc to make sure i have both of them, when I start X the user automatically logs in but the script i have specified in .xsession doesn't start. |
| 19:32.16 | _stefanos_ | yes live CD so I can mount my partitions to fix them |
| 19:32.28 | tortib | if i run the script manually once i'm logged in, it starts as it should |
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| 19:32.34 | _stefanos_ | can you please again explain me from Debian DVD 6.0.1a how to do so? |
| 19:32.37 | tortib | i just can't get it working when X starts, very fusturating. |
| 19:33.04 | Justin | tortib: what script is that? |
| 19:33.18 | tortib | Justin: it's a script to start a screen session with a specific command |
| 19:33.47 | Justin | tortib: what did you put in ~/.xsession ? |
| 19:33.58 | tortib | all it does is cd to /usr/local/bin/dir then screen -d -m -S name appname arguments |
| 19:34.00 | _stefanos_ | wols: I have booted from DVD, and tried ALT-F2 and I press enter to take me to BusyBox |
| 19:34.01 | tortib | Justin: sec |
| 19:34.18 | _stefanos_ | the commands it gave me were too limited and could not mount anything |
| 19:34.19 | tortib | Justin: i put /usr/local/bin/scriptname |
| 19:34.36 | tortib | Justin: which exists and is set to +x in /usr/local/bin ; like i said if i run it manually once my user is logged in, it runs fine. |
| 19:34.42 | tortib | i just can't get it working on startup. |
| 19:34.45 | Justin | tortib: oh, it's .xsessionrc |
| 19:35.22 | Justin | oh, scratch that.. there are actually two files for different things |
| 19:35.41 | tortib | which one do i need? |
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| 19:36.34 | Justin | tortib: .xsessionrc is sourced and .xsession is executed |
| 19:36.48 | tortib | ah |
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| 19:37.08 | tortib | so i need .xsession |
| 19:37.14 | tortib | yet it isn't working like I thought it would. |
| 19:37.21 | Justin | no.. you want .xsessionrc |
| 19:37.32 | Justin | if you have an .xsession that is used as your login session |
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| 19:37.43 | tortib | why would i want .xsessionrc you said that one is sourced |
| 19:37.51 | tortib | i want to execute my script |
| 19:37.52 | tortib | not source it |
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| 19:38.17 | Justin | you can start it from .xsessionrc |
| 19:38.21 | tortib | okay |
| 19:38.25 | tortib | i'll just create another symlink |
| 19:38.32 | Justin | if you make an .xsession X will start that, and then not start anything else |
| 19:38.36 | Justin | why are you making symlinks? |
| 19:38.47 | tortib | why are you asking so many questions |
| 19:38.49 | tortib | symlinks work fine |
| 19:39.09 | Justin | except for the fact that what you are trying to do is not working... |
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| 19:39.29 | tortib | dont worry Justin the interents said i can use symlinks |
| 19:39.31 | tortib | so don't worry about it k? |
| 19:39.51 | rousseau | Hi all I've got some problems with lm-sensors |
| 19:39.58 | rousseau | I can't use pwmconfig |
| 19:40.05 | Justin | tortib: you're the one with a problem. my xsession works just fine |
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| 19:40.17 | tortib | Justin: you're not helpful if you're going to act this way. |
| 19:40.25 | tortib | have you TRIED a symlink before? |
| 19:40.30 | tortib | you jump to conclusions |
| 19:40.33 | Justin | tortib: why are you symlinking things? |
| 19:40.34 | tortib | without even trying something |
| 19:40.40 | tortib | Justin: why are you asking stupid questions? |
| 19:40.46 | Justin | nevermind. good luck |
| 19:40.49 | tortib | indeed |
| 19:41.08 | rousseau | pwmconfig is inside lm-sensors package? |
| 19:41.23 | rousseau | I've used both sensors and sensors-detect command |
| 19:41.26 | rousseau | and they work fine |
| 19:41.41 | Justin | rousseau: what does 'can't use pwmconfig' mean? |
| 19:41.57 | stew | apt-file says: "fancontrol: /usr/sbin/pwmconfig" |
| 19:41.57 | tortib | Justin: good news the symlink worked *PERFECTLY* |
| 19:41.58 | tortib | Thanks! |
| 19:42.19 | rousseau | in /usr/sbin/ there's no pwmconfig |
| 19:42.19 | stew | so, no, not in the lm-sensors package |
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| 19:42.33 | stew | rousseau: its in the fancontrol package (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 19:42.57 | rousseau | stew: thank you so much |
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| 19:43.31 | rousseau | how have you found that information? |
| 19:43.36 | _stefanos_ | when i run update-grub it says that it cannot find list of partitions...:/ |
| 19:43.43 | _stefanos_ | is there anything i can do about it? |
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| 19:43.47 | stew | rousseau: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:43.56 | juso | So I am running flash media server, and after a while all connections to all daemons occasionally timeout - anyone have an idea at where I should be looking? |
| 19:43.58 | stew | _stefanos_: are you inside a chroot? |
| 19:44.02 | _stefanos_ | yes |
| 19:44.26 | stew | _stefanos_: did you bind mount /dev from outside the chroot? is /sys / /proc also mounted somehow? |
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| 19:44.36 | Justin | juso: about how many open connections do you usually have? |
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| 19:44.42 | rousseau | ok |
| 19:44.51 | _stefanos_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:45.05 | _stefanos_ | could it be this the problem? |
| 19:45.28 | stew | _stefanos_: /dev would be my first guess, but without seeing the actual error, i'm only guessing |
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| 19:46.13 | _stefanos_ | i have mounted /dev (--bind) |
| 19:46.21 | juso | Justin: if I run a netstat, would it be "established" for connection amount? |
| 19:46.37 | _stefanos_ | and mount proc as well |
| 19:47.09 | stew | _stefanos_: can you show us the command you are running and the actual errors? |
| 19:47.27 | Justin | juso: try netstat -nt|awk {'print $6'}|sort|uniq -c |
| 19:47.27 | _stefanos_ | the sequence of commands you mean? |
| 19:47.48 | Justin | juso: if you haven't tuned the tcp stack at all, you may be running out of ephemeral ports |
| 19:47.53 | _stefanos_ | the ones i used to mount the necessary files? |
| 19:48.03 | stew | _stefanos_: i don't know. i really just want to see the actual error message you are getting |
| 19:48.04 | rousseau | I've no pwm-capable sensors there's a mean to control fan speed? |
| 19:48.13 | stew | _stefanos_: the update-grub command and its output |
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| 19:48.38 | juso | Justin, only about 350 established and very small for the rest of packet states. |
| 19:48.56 | _stefanos_ | stew: that's the error http://pastebin.com/Hgqaw6ki |
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| 19:49.40 | Justin | juso: oh, well your problem likely lies elsewhere then |
| 19:50.00 | stew | _stefanos_: did you see the "try mounting /sys." ? |
| 19:50.10 | juso | Justin, gotcha - good to know im not maxing out ports or ulimits though |
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| 19:51.31 | _stefanos_ | stew: yes but from the commands dkpg gave it was not included :/ |
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| 19:51.45 | _stefanos_ | http://pastebin.com/iNAyibY9 |
| 19:52.05 | _stefanos_ | so what kind of command should i use to mount sys? |
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| 19:52.09 | _stefanos_ | like proc? |
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| 19:52.27 | stew | _stefanos_: just like either /proc or /dev |
| 19:52.29 | secretary_linux | _stefanos_: what response are you getting back when you try those commands...? |
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| 19:52.34 | _stefanos_ | stew: lovely |
| 19:52.38 | _stefanos_ | cheers, i will check it right now |
| 19:52.57 | ChibaPet | Hey there. I'm doing some advocacy work and trying to get a user to stick with Debian, but Icedove is failing to talk to the local Exchange 2010 server, saying a number of seemingly arbitrary mailboxes don't exist when we try to click on them from the folder list. Anyone familiar with this? |
| 19:52.58 | secretary_linux | _stefanos_: never mind, stew is right. mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc |
| 19:52.58 | stew | secretary_linux: see his previous pastebin |
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| 19:53.08 | stew | except not /proc but /sys |
| 19:53.14 | secretary_linux | yeah |
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| 19:54.46 | _stefanos_ | stew: i have tried the "mount --bind" and does not work "mount: mount point /mnt/sys does not exist" |
| 19:54.56 | secretary_linux | _stefanos_: mkdir /mnt/sys |
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| 19:55.43 | chicognu | shutdown is a program from what package ? |
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| 19:56.28 | jhutchins | chicognu: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/shutdown |
| 19:56.30 | wols | chicognu: sysvinit. packages.debian.org next time, it tells you |
| 19:56.56 | stew | chicognu: sysvinit on most machines "dpkg -S /sbin/shutdown" would tell you, but other as well for people that don't use sysvinit |
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| 19:57.34 | chicognu | tks |
| 19:57.35 | chicognu | :) |
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| 19:57.50 | jhutchins | Mine's from molly-guard |
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| 19:59.32 | Justin | molly-guard defers shutdown |
| 19:59.40 | _stefanos_ | i ran mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys, it accepted the command, chroot /mnt, and ran "update-grub" and got the same complain: "Cannot find list of partitions! (Try mounting /sys.)" |
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| 20:00.51 | jhutchins | _stefanos_: Did you mount proc or dev? |
| 20:00.59 | _stefanos_ | both |
| 20:01.07 | jhutchins | _stefanos_: Can you see /sys from the chroot? |
| 20:01.14 | jhutchins | _stefanos_: Does it have stuff in it? |
| 20:01.20 | _stefanos_ | yes |
| 20:01.23 | _stefanos_ | no it does not |
| 20:01.26 | _stefanos_ | it's empty |
| 20:01.36 | jhutchins | _stefanos_: Chances are it's not mounted where you think it is then. |
| 20:01.57 | _stefanos_ | interesting...i will double check my commands then |
| 20:02.11 | stew | _stefanos_: is /sys populated when outside the chroot? what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:02.53 | stew | _stefanos_: or, what are you chrooting from and what are you chrooting to? |
| 20:02.55 | _stefanos_ | stew: i am running those commands under ubuntu right now; i cannot do so with Debian DVD...it takes me to BusyBox which has limited commands and cannot work with it. |
| 20:03.09 | stew | _stefanos_: ubuntu is the one you are chrooting from? |
| 20:03.26 | _stefanos_ | chroot /mnt |
| 20:03.31 | _stefanos_ | that's the command i use |
| 20:03.35 | stew | _stefanos_: like, you are booting ubuntu, and trying to chroot into your debian install in order to fix debian? or what? |
| 20:03.37 | _stefanos_ | and takes me to #/ |
| 20:03.48 | _stefanos_ | stew: yes |
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| 20:03.54 | _stefanos_ | i booted from ubuntu to fix debian |
| 20:03.59 | Karen_m | I am creating a bootdisk on a usb flash with grub2, so that I can load different *.iso's ... like freedos, and ubuntu and whatever else. Can I use ext4 and it will work? |
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| 20:04.02 | stew | _stefanos_: can you "exit" from the chroot and check that "/sys" is populated before you chroot? |
| 20:04.10 | _stefanos_ | ok |
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| 20:04.47 | wntKissAnyAss | gentoo.de they block and ping-overflows unwanted people in irc |
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| 20:05.12 | _stefanos_ | I exited, returned to Ubuntu and ran the above command. I can see "block bus class dev devices firmware fs kernel module power" |
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| 20:05.46 | stew | _stefanos_: no run "mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys ; chroot /sys" then "ls /sys" should show you the same. then try "update-grub" again |
| 20:05.55 | stew | wntKissAnyAss: huh? does this have anything to do with debian? |
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| 20:06.24 | _stefanos_ | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 20:06.32 | _stefanos_ | i ran chroot /sys |
| 20:06.35 | _stefanos_ | and got this error |
| 20:06.57 | stew | _stefanos_: crap, sorry, that should be "chroot /mnt" |
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| 20:07.39 | _stefanos_ | stew: ok, it seems that now it shows the content |
| 20:07.44 | streuner | stew: just be cool... |
| 20:07.51 | stew | streuner: what? |
| 20:08.00 | _stefanos_ | finally |
| 20:08.10 | streuner | stew: some OT statement isnt very interesting... |
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| 20:08.35 | _stefanos_ | stew and everyone else...thanks a million. I hope it works, wish me good luck with it! |
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| 20:09.11 | stew | streuner: can you please explain to me in PM what you are talking about? |
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| 20:15.09 | mBull | hi, got a question about virtual memory |
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| 20:15.35 | mBull | is virtual memory always bigger the physical memory |
| 20:15.39 | _stefanos_ | still it takes me to grub prompt... |
| 20:15.40 | mBull | or can it be smaller |
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| 20:15.59 | _stefanos_ | what the hell happened here...after i ran the updates i got this :/ |
| 20:16.43 | ompaul | !grub |
| 20:16.44 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 20:16.55 | mBull | \join #osdev |
| 20:16.58 | _stefanos_ | grub2 here |
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| 20:17.24 | mBull | is virtual memory always bigger the physical memory anyone? |
| 20:17.30 | mBull | \join #cisco |
| 20:17.32 | mBull | wtf |
| 20:17.49 | _stefanos_ | !grub2 |
| 20:17.49 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x), currently in development. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (Open Firmware version). Manual: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html . See also <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>, http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition . #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:17.51 | twobitsprite | mBull: try / instead of \ |
| 20:18.05 | _stefanos_ | !grub squeeze |
| 20:18.05 | dpkg | New installations of Squeeze will have the GNU GRUB 2 bootloader (grub-pc package) installed by default on x86 systems, ask me about <grub2 config> to configure. Upgrading from Lenny will offer you to "chainload" GRUB 2 from GRUB Legacy to verify its use, see §4.8.1 of the <squeeze release notes> for more information. GRUB Legacy remains packaged for Squeeze as grub-legacy. |
| 20:18.17 | twobitsprite | !tell _stefanos_ about self-tell |
| 20:18.34 | mBull | lol stefanos figured it out :) |
| 20:18.39 | mBull | my bad sry |
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| 20:18.47 | rousseau | Hi again |
| 20:18.51 | rousseau | I've got a new problem |
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| 20:19.05 | _stefanos_ | sorry i didn't know how to properly use it |
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| 20:19.22 | rousseau | I've added i8k to modules in /etc and now the kernel goes in a loop |
| 20:19.44 | mBull | is virtual memory always bigger the physical memory anyone? |
| 20:19.45 | twobitsprite | mBull: you mean swap space? It's whatever size you set it too |
| 20:19.48 | twobitsprite | s/too/to |
| 20:20.01 | _stefanos_ | mBull usually it takes the double size if you mean swap memory |
| 20:20.05 | wols | mBull: we're a debian support channel. not #homeworkhelp. and we don't like if a question is constantly repeated |
| 20:20.24 | wols | mBull: so do you have a debian problem? |
| 20:20.38 | _stefanos_ | wols: my system has been totally screwed up :/ |
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| 20:20.51 | mBull | no, wols but i got an exam tomorrow about operating systems and it involes unix based os aswell |
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| 20:21.06 | rousseau | any idea? |
| 20:21.08 | mBull | so the reason i asked it, was that it might have been different in unix based |
| 20:21.10 | wols | mBull: then I suggest you start learning for it. but not here |
| 20:21.22 | wols | mBull: debian is certainly no unix |
| 20:21.24 | rousseau | how to edit /etc/modules before boot time? |
| 20:21.29 | mBull | linux based sry |
| 20:21.34 | mBull | debian is linux based |
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| 20:21.50 | wols | mBull: but you have no debian related question. so please stop |
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| 20:22.16 | jelly-home | mBull: this is an OS tech support channel. Try ##linux for general Linux questions |
| 20:22.29 | wols | rousseau: you use init=/bin/bash, then /etc/modules is not read |
| 20:22.37 | stew | mBull: or #freenode for non-specific "help" |
| 20:22.37 | mBull | i know, but you guys might have known it |
| 20:22.44 | _stefanos_ | wols: can you please again explain me the Debian DVD procedure you mentioned to me today from work, because I booted from DVD and could not use terminal properly |
| 20:23.02 | _stefanos_ | it would take me to BusyBox which had limited options |
| 20:23.20 | rousseau | wols: do you mean to edit the grub menu with init=/bin/bash |
| 20:23.22 | jelly-home | mBull: we might. If we choose to answer, it won't be on this channel though but a more topical one. |
| 20:23.31 | wols | _stefanos_: yes, but one can mount the debian partition(s) which should be enough |
| 20:23.39 | wols | rousseau: yes the grub menu entry |
| 20:23.47 | _stefanos_ | no the mount command does not exist :/ |
| 20:23.48 | rousseau | wols thanks for the support |
| 20:23.51 | rousseau | I'll try |
| 20:23.53 | mBull | i asked my question on an os devolpper channel but didn't have any replies |
| 20:23.53 | rousseau | ;) |
| 20:24.03 | wols | _stefanos_: busybox has a mount command. |
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| 20:24.18 | wols | rousseau: when doing that you will have to remount / as rw |
| 20:24.22 | _stefanos_ | i am sure it does not... |
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| 20:24.37 | mBull | thanks anyway |
| 20:24.48 | rousseau | as rw what does that mean? |
| 20:24.52 | wols | _stefanos_: if it hadn't, the debian installer wouldn't work... |
| 20:24.56 | twobitsprite | _stefanos_: man busybox tells me it does |
| 20:24.59 | ompaul | mBull: ##linux or nowhere |
| 20:25.07 | stew | mBull: or #freenode |
| 20:25.08 | wols | rousseau: read-writable. it is mounted ro, read-only by default |
| 20:25.56 | _stefanos_ | wols: i boot from DVD, and didn't select the advanced options, rescue mode |
| 20:25.56 | rousseau | how to mount read-writable? |
| 20:26.15 | twobitsprite | rousseau: mount -oremount,rw / |
| 20:26.17 | thewanderer1 | hi, what do I have to do in order to get working UTF-8 characters in getty over serial link, 115200, 8n1, RTS/CTS, Debian to Debian using Minicom? |
| 20:26.31 | rousseau | ok |
| 20:26.32 | wols | rousseau: as twobitsprite wrote. with one more space |
| 20:26.58 | twobitsprite | wols: mount accepts -oremount,rw, no need for a space |
| 20:27.02 | thewanderer1 | oh, also, I'd like to have some job control, but now bash says there is no job control... |
| 20:27.51 | thewanderer1 | ok well, picocom solves the UTF-8 issue, but the job control problem is still here |
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| 20:28.28 | twobitsprite | thewanderer1: by "job control" do you mean bash's C-z, fg, bg, etc? |
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| 20:29.02 | stew | twobitsprite: is it really bash? |
| 20:29.10 | twobitsprite | stew: good question |
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| 20:30.09 | thewanderer1 | twobitsprite, stew: yes, job control is this, and about this being bash... I'm getting the bash prompt (not sh prompt), and `set -m` turns it back on |
| 20:30.17 | _stefanos_ | ok currently booting from DVD to follow step by step with you |
| 20:30.23 | thewanderer1 | TERM=linux, I use getty for logging on |
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| 20:31.56 | _stefanos_ | ok. i came to the point it asks me to install, graphical install, advanced options...wols what to do? |
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| 20:32.55 | jurineo | Hi, when no activity in my laptop, monitor got a black screen, for no activity, how can I disable this behavior? |
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| 20:33.32 | stew | jurineo: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 20:34.13 | jurineo | thanks stew! |
| 20:34.39 | _stefanos_ | since i came to this point, which option should i select so i can manually mount my partitions without any problem? |
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| 20:35.42 | twobitsprite | _stefanos_: boot in to the installer and configure network (if you need it), then alt-f2 (or ctrl-alt-f2 if in graphical) then run your mount command |
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| 20:36.07 | _stefanos_ | ok i will try that |
| 20:37.33 | thewanderer1 | stew, twobitsprite: any ideas about the job control? it's not a big issue, but running `set -m` after every login or appending it to the system profile doesn't seem optimal |
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| 20:37.59 | reggard | hello. |
| 20:38.12 | secretary_linux | hey |
| 20:38.12 | reggard | I just installed for the first time debian with network install |
| 20:38.16 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: wild guess: is your login shell /bin/sh or /bin/bash? |
| 20:38.33 | reggard | after messing it a lot i had to remove gnome in order to get rid of avahi daemon |
| 20:38.49 | reggard | Is it possible to run gnome-panel without the whole gnome suit? |
| 20:39.12 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: /bin/bash - also $SHELL points to bash, not sh... I'm logging in over serial, over local tty1 it works fine |
| 20:39.19 | stew | reggard: yes, "aptitude install gnome-panel" should get you just gnome-panel and its dependencies |
| 20:39.26 | thewanderer1 | maybe I'll try running getty from inittab and see the results |
| 20:39.41 | reggard | stew: so actually you can get the pannel without gnome? |
| 20:40.01 | reggard | stew: cool i though i had fucked up everything since startx brought me my gnome panel config |
| 20:40.05 | reggard | xD |
| 20:40.16 | stew | reggard: yes, you can run "gnome-panel" and it should pop up the panel but it might require some cooperation with your window manager |
| 20:40.19 | streuner | you are able to install any panel without GNOME... |
| 20:40.36 | reggard | kewl |
| 20:40.41 | thewanderer1 | hey, guess what. running getty from inittab enables job control, but from the console manually does not! :P |
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| 20:41.08 | reggard | So why running the whole gnome if all you need is the panel? |
| 20:41.09 | reggard | xd |
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| 20:42.13 | stew | thewanderer1: i'd ask #bash at this point |
| 20:42.36 | reggard | well stew and co thanks a lot, was worried... |
| 20:42.40 | reggard | ^^ |
| 20:42.52 | reggard | autoremove does weird things when u run networks install |
| 20:42.53 | reggard | xDD |
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| 20:44.57 | thewanderer1 | stew: thanks, I'm not sure I still want to bother if it runs from inittab - kindof magical, sure, but it's enough for now |
| 20:45.44 | jelly-home | I want to ask why you ran getty manually, but I'm afraid to |
| 20:46.14 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I was testing my serial connection |
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| 20:46.32 | thewanderer1 | turns out cat and bash are actually enough for this :P |
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| 20:46.39 | _stefanos_ | my system got literally...!@#%ed-up! It cannot mount DVD 6.0.1a but it can mount the 5.0.x |
| 20:47.04 | rousseau | hi again I've tried to add init=/bin/bash after the various instruction |
| 20:47.15 | rousseau | but it didn't work |
| 20:47.51 | rousseau | I've added it after the instructions to load kernel and the ramdisk image |
| 20:47.59 | _stefanos_ | stew: does it play role that my system is LVM2? |
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| 20:48.20 | thewanderer1 | rousseau: no, you're supposed to add it to the kernel command line, after the "quiet" word |
| 20:48.30 | rousseau | ok |
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| 20:50.56 | rousseau | fixed! thanks you all |
| 20:51.25 | rousseau | I've a dell studio 1535 laptop I've no idea about how to control fan |
| 20:51.46 | rousseau | cause there are no pwn-capable fan |
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| 20:52.00 | streuner | and it isnt supported? |
| 20:52.07 | rousseau | nope |
| 20:52.12 | streuner | well... |
| 20:52.24 | rousseau | I've tried with pwnconfig |
| 20:52.54 | rousseau | it seems that ubuntu can control fan speed |
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| 20:53.28 | streuner | omg, what should do *bunt* make better than Debian... |
| 20:53.29 | rousseau | but I don't understand how it do fan control |
| 20:53.35 | jimmy51_ | i added a script to my startup using update-rc.d zzzPostBootScript defaults 99 01 but it's not running. how can i view a list of what scripts will run on startup? |
| 20:53.46 | rousseau | no I prefer debian over ubuntu |
| 20:53.54 | streuner | in a Linux environment... |
| 20:54.22 | jhutchins_lt | rousseau: Figure out how ubuntu does it, implement in debian. |
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| 20:56.08 | rousseau | it's an idea |
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| 20:58.04 | rousseau | I've done a fresh install but I can't find any xorg.conf |
| 20:58.11 | rousseau | I want to change keyboard layout |
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| 20:59.06 | rousseau | if I do it using gnome keyboard tool at every startup returns the default configuration |
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| 21:03.09 | rousseau | found it, dpkg-reconfigure keyboard :) |
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| 21:08.09 | streuner | dpkg, keymap |
| 21:08.09 | dpkg | Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 21:15.34 | oliver117 | You'r dpkg-bot is creepy, anyways. I just executed dpkg --clear-avail, is that a bad thing? |
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| 21:17.32 | twobitsprite | oliver117: why did you execute it if you think it could be a bad thing? |
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| 21:18.36 | oliver117 | because the available file was like 500mb in size and i thought, well let's try something. It seems to work like it was working before, but actually I have no clue what I did, because as I said, it seems that nothing has changed |
| 21:18.56 | valdyn | oliver117: nothing did change |
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| 21:19.13 | valdyn | oliver117: except that you had to run "aptitude update" or similar |
| 21:19.13 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 21:19.43 | sobersabre | how can I download a cd image of an older release of debian, but not the "latest" older one. for example lenny 5.0.3 ? |
| 21:20.03 | streuner | dpkg, lenny |
| 21:20.04 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 21:20.09 | oliver117 | okay, thank you, after running update the available file is only 1kb in size and aptitude is fast like lightning again, thank you and have a hood day |
| 21:20.25 | oliver117 | g* |
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| 21:20.43 | streuner | sobersabre: /msg dpkg install lenny |
| 21:21.05 | sobersabre | now, anybody, except streuner can answer my question ( streuner is answering his own questions ) |
| 21:21.08 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 21:21.42 | valdyn | !install lenny |
| 21:21.42 | dpkg | Links to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. See also <errata lenny> and <lenny install guide>. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/ |
| 21:21.46 | sobersabre | streuner: I don't need lenny 5.0.8 |
| 21:21.52 | streuner | well, you asked us HOW to install lenny, doesnt you? |
| 21:21.55 | sobersabre | valdyn: I don't need 5.0.8 |
| 21:22.00 | streuner | what else than? |
| 21:22.03 | sobersabre | streuner: no. learn english. |
| 21:22.19 | valdyn | sobersabre: so? |
| 21:22.32 | streuner | sure, but please answer our questions |
| 21:22.53 | sobersabre | streuner: what was YOUR question?! |
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| 21:22.57 | valdyn | sobersabre: about 5 clicks later im at the 5.0.3 images |
| 21:23.09 | streuner | sobersabre: what do you need? |
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| 21:23.15 | jelly-home | valdyn: it's SO hard to replace 5.0.8 with 5.0.3 in the link!!! |
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| 21:24.22 | sobersabre | hm... |
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| 21:25.23 | streuner | sobersabre: why do you need lenny at all? (its outdated...) |
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| 21:25.57 | sobersabre | streuner: need to play with it. |
| 21:26.20 | sobersabre | ok. I got it. thanks. I didn't think of replacing 8 with 3. |
| 21:27.16 | sobersabre | hm... it only has business card and netinst. |
| 21:27.32 | sobersabre | valdyn: where is the DVD!!! :)? |
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| 21:27.47 | jelly-home | sobersabre: it would be better if you explained in more detail what you needed it for. |
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| 21:28.55 | sobersabre | I need the dvd. to replicate some kind of custom something compiled for that version. I prefer to not start with the system not 100% compatible with what it was compiled for. |
| 21:28.57 | valdyn | sobersabre: maybe not avail because it can be generated with the .jigdo |
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| 21:29.26 | jelly-home | ah, a kind of custom something. |
| 21:29.41 | sobersabre | jelly-home: it's not my idea to do so custom-something. |
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| 21:30.31 | sobersabre | anywah, thanks! |
| 21:30.32 | jelly-home | sobersabre: figure out the point in time you need. Use snapshot.debian.org to access that package set. |
| 21:30.36 | valdyn | sobersabre: see "Notes for older versions: 'By default, for each release here we keep all the images in jigdo format to save on space....'" |
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| 21:31.01 | sobersabre | valdyn: I have no complaints about the policy of saving space. |
| 21:31.12 | sobersabre | thanks. |
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| 21:35.01 | ATrl | hi |
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| 21:38.34 | jdberkeley | hey guys. I have debian lenny on my computer, and on the second HDD I have Slackware 13.0 installed. My question is: Can grub (legacy) boot an ext4 partition? I have looked everywhere with no clear answer. I tried fstype=ext4 but didnt work! |
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| 21:40.56 | jdberkeley | rootfstype=ext4* |
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| 21:42.43 | jelly-home | jdberkeley: how did it fail to work? Did the kernel and initramfs load? |
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| 21:44.06 | jdberkeley | It said it couldnt find the kernel or the initrd |
| 21:44.23 | jelly-home | then "no" |
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| 21:45.22 | jelly-home | at least, not the version from lenny. Some distros have patched it for ext4 support, not sure if Debian did |
| 21:45.37 | jelly-home | (later) |
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| 21:55.26 | jdberkeley | jelly-home: what version of grub legacy has support for ext4? |
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| 21:56.41 | jelly-home | I don't know. |
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| 22:03.14 | abdelkhalak | how to completely remove gnome? |
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| 22:03.55 | prodigel | hi all. I'm installing on my machine zabbix-server-mysql package, and it takes forever to populate the database (one of the steps). Is this normal? |
| 22:04.13 | prodigel | (1:1.8.2-1squeeze2) |
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| 22:06.00 | nubcake | hello, my linux box error'd out during the upgrade from lenny to squeeze, now i dont have an sql server and neither any network connection/interface, i would really appreciate any help |
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| 22:07.26 | abdelkhalak | nubcake: you're advised to manullay purge old packages (mysql, etc) and reiinstall them |
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| 22:09.33 | nubcake | any advice how to "re-configure" phpmyadmin ? |
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| 22:14.19 | pickcoder | nubcake: just manually install the packages. Aptitude should upgrade required depends and install new ones as needed |
| 22:15.55 | pickcoder | you can try 'aptitude safe-upgrade' but I dunno how much it will fix itself |
| 22:16.15 | pickcoder | if there are broken version dependencies then it may barf on the current state of some packages |
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| 22:16.30 | pickcoder | you can fix those one-by-one until it finishes the upgrade |
| 22:17.11 | pickcoder | I've had that happen before and it's a major PITA |
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| 22:25.10 | jeaquares | hi |
| 22:25.23 | tulliana | hi, nörüyorsunuz |
| 22:25.37 | valdyn | jdberkeley: it can only boot ext4 with a few ext4 features disabled |
| 22:25.59 | jeaquares | valdyn, o rly? |
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| 22:32.01 | dawud | ,versions ruby |
| 22:32.02 | judd | Package ruby on i386 -- lenny: 4.2; squeeze: 4.5; sid: 4.8; wheezy: 4.8 |
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| 22:33.02 | dawud | ,versions ruby1.9 |
| 22:33.04 | judd | Package ruby1.9 on i386 -- lenny: 1.9.0.2-9lenny1; lenny-security: 1.9.0.2-9lenny1 |
| 22:33.12 | dawud | mmm |
| 22:33.40 | dawud | ,versions ruby1.9.1 |
| 22:33.41 | judd | Package ruby1.9.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.9.2.0-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.9.2.0-2; wheezy: 1.9.2.180-3; sid: 1.9.2.180-5 |
| 22:34.16 | dawud | ah. better. sorry for the noise guys, should have PM the bot... |
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| 22:45.37 | Caribou| | hello |
| 22:46.00 | Caribou| | i'm trying to remove postgresql which i thought i did with apt-get remove postgresql-8.3 postgrsql-8.4 |
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| 22:46.13 | Caribou| | but it's actually still running and i'm having a lot of postgresql files everywhere |
| 22:49.00 | tharkun | apt-get purge |
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| 22:52.16 | Caribou| | tharkun, didn't help :3 |
| 22:52.35 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.59 | Caribou| | tharkun, same thing |
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| 22:54.35 | Caribou| | (it actually says that the package is not installed) |
| 22:55.09 | tharkun | ps aux|grep postgres gives any output? |
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| 22:58.29 | tharkun | Caribou|: also what do you mean by having a lot of postgresql files everywhere? |
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| 23:01.01 | tharkun | also grep postgres /etc/passwd to see if the user is still installed |
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| 23:02.53 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 23:15.06 | Narcarsiss | how does debian treat I/O device in a uniform way? |
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| 23:19.49 | flu- | Narcarsiss: Is that a homework question? haha |
| 23:21.00 | Narcarsiss | we have an exam today i was reading the sample last years exams questions. for second year i'm first simester first year :) and i was wondering what it was? |
| 23:21.31 | Narcarsiss | since we have not learnt about it yet and i cant get nothing out of google |
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| 23:22.20 | Garretto | hello everybody |
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| 23:22.44 | cwillu_at_work | Narcarsiss, it's not a debian feature, it's a unix feature :p |
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| 23:23.04 | Garretto | is there a way from preventing eth0 to connect at boot up? |
| 23:23.08 | Garretto | of* |
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| 23:23.38 | Narcarsiss | ahh that would be why i cant find it Cheers mate thanks for you help. |
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| 23:27.10 | phantomcircuit | so settings in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini aren't actually being honored, specifically display_errors |
| 23:27.12 | phantomcircuit | what do |
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| 23:39.38 | shrimpwagon | I can't seem to apt-get install java-package in Linux Squeeze |
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| 23:40.19 | shrimpwagon | I have non-free specified in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:41.01 | shrimpwagon | Is there anyone here today? |
| 23:41.36 | nevyn | shrimpwagon: sun java is now in the repos |
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| 23:41.50 | shrimpwagon | ?? |
| 23:41.59 | shrimpwagon | What do I do then??? |
| 23:42.07 | janis | hi guys!! What linux-header- may I install from within uml to be able to compile modules? |
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| 23:43.37 | nevyn | shrimpwagon: apt-cache search sun-java |
| 23:44.20 | shrimpwagon | ok, I got a few things listed |
| 23:44.44 | shrimpwagon | sun-java6-bin, demo, fonts, javadb, jdk, dre, plugin, and source |
| 23:45.15 | nevyn | shrimpwagon: what do you need? |
| 23:45.46 | shrimpwagon | to be able to run java programs on my Linux Squeeze box |
| 23:46.05 | nevyn | do you need to compile java? |
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| 23:46.16 | shrimpwagon | no |
| 23:46.30 | nevyn | so you need -bin or -jre. |
| 23:46.36 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: ok |
| 23:46.50 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: How come it isn't java-package? |
| 23:46.55 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: is that old? |
| 23:47.15 | nevyn | because java package was a way to build a package of java from the binary distributed by sun |
| 23:47.36 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: ah... |
| 23:47.47 | nevyn | and java was relicenced to a free software licence a while ago. so it's now in the repos |
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| 23:48.20 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: gotach, ty, I think apt-get install sun-java6-bin is working |
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| 23:48.49 | nevyn | you want -jre as well |
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| 23:48.58 | nevyn | which should depend on -bin from my reading of it. |
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| 23:49.58 | shrimpwagon | hmmmm..... |
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| 23:50.13 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: ok, haha, I was just trying to get Minecraft server working |
| 23:50.26 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: seems to work now, ty so much! |
| 23:50.44 | subimage | question for yall - i just put together a new system with an asus p8p67-m pro (rev 3) and keep getting HD errors and read-only filesystems on new drives |
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| 23:51.02 | subimage | its done it to 3 drives now - wondering if perhaps this mobo is just bad? no way 3 drives in a row (new) are bad right |
| 23:51.13 | shrimpwagon | subimage: I bought a few of those mobos! |
| 23:51.14 | nevyn | hardware sucks. |
| 23:51.23 | subimage | shrimpwagon: what'd you end up doing? they work ok? |
| 23:51.28 | subimage | this thing is giving me hell |
| 23:51.44 | subimage | it wouldnt even recognize some drives from other known working systems either |
| 23:51.45 | shrimpwagon | subimage: yeah, they work fine. They only have SATA right? |
| 23:51.55 | subimage | shrimpwagon: they have sata 3/6gb |
| 23:52.08 | subimage | i just flashed the bios but man this shit is giving me fits |
| 23:52.10 | shrimpwagon | subimage: you using the 3 or 6? |
| 23:52.21 | subimage | shrimpwagon: the 6 now, cause this is a 6gb drive |
| 23:52.25 | subimage | just bought it new from frys |
| 23:52.41 | shrimpwagon | subimage: I don't know if that has anythign to do with anything but I just used the 3Gb port on a 3Gb SATA |
| 23:53.03 | subimage | shrimpwagon: yeah the thing that sucks is - i had an old working seagate that i threw on the 3gb and it did the same shit |
| 23:53.12 | subimage | which is why i went and bought this new 6gb transfer rate one |
| 23:53.32 | subimage | like i can install debian and itll sit for a minute - then i come back and it's "read only filesystem". reboot and it wants me to fsck |
| 23:53.37 | shrimpwagon | subimage: did you do a fresh install? |
| 23:53.41 | subimage | 2 times |
| 23:53.56 | shrimpwagon | subimage: how did you setup partition? |
| 23:54.05 | subimage | just one big partition and a swap |
| 23:54.10 | subimage | on a 500gb drive |
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| 23:54.19 | shrimpwagon | subimage: er...you need a /boot partition |
| 23:54.44 | nevyn | subimage: is your partitioning correct? |
| 23:54.47 | subimage | why? i've done this before with everything on / and it's been chill |
| 23:54.47 | shrimpwagon | subimage: you install grub? |
| 23:55.01 | subimage | lol yeah dude i can get it booted via grub and it goes into xwindows and im on the system |
| 23:55.08 | nevyn | seperate /boot isn't technically required anymore |
| 23:55.17 | shrimpwagon | subimage: man, I spent literally like a week setting up a RAID 5 fileserver with LInux |
| 23:55.21 | nevyn | modern bioses can boot stuff after sector 1024 or whatever |
| 23:55.25 | subimage | this is just 1 drive |
| 23:55.34 | subimage | nevyn: you think that might be causing issues though? |
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| 23:55.41 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: that may be, but it sure as heck didn't work for me without it |
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| 23:55.59 | nevyn | shrimpwagon: it's one of those binary things tho |
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| 23:56.23 | nevyn | shrimpwagon: it'll either work or not and as it does work. I doubt it's the cause of subimage's problem |
| 23:56.28 | subimage | what would cause the filesystem just to suddenly be "mounted read only" |
| 23:56.35 | subimage | what kind of error happens to make that an issue? |
| 23:57.20 | nevyn | subimage: did you verify the disk failures with smart? |
| 23:57.25 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: subimage: maybe the partition setting? |
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| 23:57.48 | subimage | nevyn: i did not - do not know about smart |
| 23:57.51 | nevyn | shrimpwagon: if he's got overlapping partitions or something broken that'd do it. |
| 23:58.03 | nevyn | subimage: smartutils run smartctl -a |
| 23:58.07 | subimage | i just have 2 partitions i had the installer make for me |
| 23:58.09 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: subimage: I think I remember a read only setting during partition setup |
| 23:58.11 | subimage | and swap |
| 23:58.21 | subimage | root and swap rather |
| 23:58.23 | nevyn | subimage: you can make /usr readonly |
| 23:58.35 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: subimage: I don't know, I used the expert install |
| 23:59.02 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: if the HD was failing, you probably wouldn't get much past install at all |
| 23:59.04 | nevyn | subimage: so.. if the installer made them they'll be correct |
| 23:59.08 | nevyn | shrimpwagon: right. |
| 23:59.26 | subimage | nevyn: what's the package i need for smartutils? |
| 23:59.33 | shrimpwagon | nevyn: yeah, installer knows best most of the time |
