| 00:00.04 | subimage | nmind found it |
| 00:00.06 | nevyn | subimage: smartmontools |
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| 00:01.18 | subimage | looks chill on smartutils |
| 00:01.27 | subimage | i guess if it happens again i can run smart and see what it says |
| 00:01.34 | subimage | :/ |
| 00:01.44 | subimage | fucking hardware man |
| 00:01.46 | subimage | :( |
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| 00:03.58 | subimage | if i have the issue again i suppose ill try your trick with the partitioning |
| 00:04.25 | s4a | i did SELFMADEPATH=/tmp and export SELFMADEPATH and I have classes A and B in /tmp: http://pastebin.com/0JHXCMSg why does javac B.java work but javac A.java doesn't? |
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| 00:05.14 | pipeline | s4a: A has a dependency on B |
| 00:05.27 | Proview | trying to do a netinst and i've got an onboard nic. mobo is MS-7184 and the nic is Realtek 8100C |
| 00:05.33 | pipeline | s3a: you need to compile them both and set your classpath correctly |
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| 00:05.43 | Proview | however, the network card isn't detected |
| 00:05.44 | Proview | any ideas? |
| 00:05.45 | pipeline | s3a: when you compile A, the compiled version of B should be in classpath |
| 00:05.54 | Proview | (also, the driver is said to be built into the kernal) |
| 00:06.00 | Proview | by realtek |
| 00:06.10 | s3a | pipeline, "i did SELFMADEPATH=/tmp and export SELFMADEPATH" that's classpath right? |
| 00:06.19 | chemistrydioxide | my network card is detected, but it looses 75% of all packets. Can someone help me? |
| 00:06.35 | Proview | fix it |
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| 00:08.02 | chemistrydioxide | I mean, i'm pinging my router from my linux computer and I only get responses on 25% of all packets. Can someone help me? |
| 00:08.18 | chemistrydioxide | I have no idea what could be causing this. |
| 00:08.55 | chemistrydioxide | I know for sure it's not an address conflict |
| 00:09.17 | Proview | TRYING to do a netinst of debian and its not finding my nic. The nic is onboard and the mobo is MS-7184, the nic is realtek 8100C. Realtek claims the driver is built into the kernal but I've got no idea where to go from here... Any thoughts? |
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| 00:12.56 | Pyro_Killer | hello? |
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| 00:13.45 | cheapie | I have Debian installed, and then I installed CrunchBang. If I update GRUB from Debian, then I can only boot Debian. If I update grub from within CrunchBang, then I can only boot CrunchBang. How can I get both in the list? |
| 00:14.42 | Pyro_Killer | take the entry from the boot script of one of the debians and put it insde the other debians bott script? |
| 00:14.46 | Pyro_Killer | *boot |
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| 00:15.34 | cheapie | Pyro_Killer: Isn't there a way to get update-grub in Debian to see CrunchBang? |
| 00:15.37 | Pyro_Killer | ive got a compile probblem: http://textbin.com/6k514 |
| 00:16.11 | Pyro_Killer | cheapie: it should, but sometmesses it doesnt |
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| 00:16.32 | cheapie | Pyro_Killer: OK. I'll try your suggestion then. |
| 00:16.38 | s3a | cheapie, what are you doing exactly so i can try and see why it's not seeing your other distro |
| 00:17.10 | Pyro_Killer | btw im compiling rtorrent |
| 00:17.37 | pipeline | s3a: no |
| 00:17.43 | pozican | Pyro_Killer: isn't rtorrent in apt? |
| 00:17.53 | pipeline | s3a: that's just an environmnet variable called "SELFMADEPATH" |
| 00:18.04 | Pyro_Killer | pozican: its terribly outdated |
| 00:18.07 | pipeline | s3a: export CLASSPATH=$SELFMADEPATH |
| 00:18.15 | pipeline | s3a: to copy the contents of your variable into the classpath variable |
| 00:19.31 | stew | Pyro_Killer: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:19.44 | stew | Pyro_Killer: the current version of debian has the version of torrent you seem to be compiling |
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| 00:20.48 | s3a | pipeline, ok but can you just tell me exactly what to do because SELFMADEPATH=/tmp and export $SELFMADEPATH doesn't allow me to compile my A class which is dependent upon B which I think needs me to import something in A but import B does not work |
| 00:21.03 | pozican | Pyro_Killer: debian unstable has a version above what you are compiling |
| 00:21.38 | pozican | heh |
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| 00:21.54 | Pyro_Killer | im runing lenny |
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| 00:21.58 | Pyro_Killer | and i want the 0-8-4 |
| 00:22.06 | Pyro_Killer | sorry |
| 00:22.07 | Pyro_Killer | 0.8.6 |
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| 00:22.11 | stew | Pyro_Killer: why not upgrade to the current debian stable? (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze) |
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| 00:22.21 | stew | judd: versions rtorrent |
| 00:22.21 | judd | Package rtorrent on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.9-2.2; squeeze: 0.8.6-1; sid: 0.8.7-7; wheezy: 0.8.7-7 |
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| 00:23.08 | Pyro_Killer | sowhat is the command for a complete upgrade again...? |
| 00:23.54 | stew | dpkg: tell Pyro_Killer about lenny->squeeze |
| 00:24.15 | Pyro_Killer | aaawf, ill just reinstall the vps |
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| 00:26.36 | pipegeek | Hi, folks. So.... how come there's no http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen (since there is a xen image for lenny i386 and squeeze amd64)? |
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| 00:28.27 | pipegeek | ah. because there's no 64-bit domu support in lenny (http://wiki.debian.org/Xen). |
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| 00:29.20 | pipeline | s3a: I just told you exactly what to do |
| 00:29.30 | pipeline | s3a: and the SELFMADEPATH, you just created a new environment variable with your own name |
| 00:29.45 | pipeline | s3a: the environment variable you care about is CLASSPATH. That name is special, java looks for that particular environment variable |
| 00:29.53 | pipeline | s3a: e.g. export CLASSPATH=/tmp |
| 00:30.05 | pipeline | s3a: or, if you have the right path inside SELFMADEPATH already, export CLASSPATH=$SELFMADEPATH |
| 00:30.35 | s3a | pipeline, yes but assume I imported the incorrect thing in class B |
| 00:30.42 | s3a | what do I import? |
| 00:30.56 | s3a | in class A i mean |
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| 00:31.01 | s3a | i did import B in class A |
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| 00:33.46 | stew | s3a: "import B" is correct unless B declares it is in a package (with a statement like "package foo;") |
| 00:34.01 | stew | s3a: but you have to have CLASSPATH contain a path with B.class |
| 00:34.07 | s3a | stew, B says nothing at the top |
| 00:34.21 | s3a | B.class is in /tmp and CLASSPATH has /tmp |
| 00:34.30 | stew | s3a: then javac A.java should work |
| 00:34.52 | s3a | stew, exactly. i'll pastebin it because it must be something super small |
| 00:36.39 | s3a | stew, i just realized javac B.java doesn't work either (I had B.java in my home directory) |
| 00:37.09 | stew | s3a: give us real error messages |
| 00:38.00 | s3a | stew, http://pastebin.com/BXkRMqnp |
| 00:38.58 | chemistrydioxide | ok, my packet loss issue is now gone somehow, I can ping external sites and my router fine, but I'm still having issues with DHCP. Both the DHCP server and the DHCP client run debian, and it seems that the request get to the server fine but the DHCPOFFERS don't make it back to the client. can someone help me? |
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| 00:40.38 | stew | s3a: ./B.java doesn't exist, give it a full path to B.java ; if you want the .class file to end up somewhere other than ./ then pass -d /path/to/dest |
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| 00:42.22 | menlo | . |
| 00:42.39 | s3a | stew, my current working directory is not /tmp |
| 00:42.42 | Proview | does the netinst come with less drivers than the base install? |
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| 00:43.12 | menlo | I thought that it depends on what your sources.list claims? |
| 00:43.44 | stew | s3a: ok? |
| 00:43.56 | s3a | stew, actually sorry but your last thing confused me |
| 00:44.13 | s3a | ./B.java means that it should be in the current working directory, right? |
| 00:44.59 | stew | s3a: run "javac /path/to/wherever/contains/B.java" unless B.java is in the current directory |
| 00:45.10 | menlo | @Proview what do you expect to be in your install that is not there? |
| 00:45.14 | stew | s3a: if you want B.class to end up somewhere OTHER than ., also use -d |
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| 00:45.41 | Proview | menlo: my nic |
| 00:45.48 | stew | Proview: the netinst comes with nothing but the installer and the base install |
| 00:45.49 | Proview | realtek says its integrated into the kernel |
| 00:45.50 | s3a | stew, so javac /tmp/B.java -d /tmp ? |
| 00:45.52 | Proview | but its not there |
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| 00:46.04 | Proview | erm, its not being found |
| 00:46.06 | stew | Proview: and any official installer gets you the same set of drivers |
| 00:46.13 | Proview | blah, okay, thanks :/ |
| 00:46.27 | stew | Proview: you perhaps need non-free firmware as well. tell us exactly which nic you have |
| 00:46.32 | stew | s3a: sure |
| 00:46.37 | menlo | @Proview sure, they have them on their site, but before you do - HOW is your mic being connected? Is it integrated into your mainboard? |
| 00:46.57 | s3a | http://pastebin.com/FnywCgYs |
| 00:47.00 | s3a | Steaven`, |
| 00:47.03 | Proview | its onboard, MOBO - MS-7184, NIC- 8100C |
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| 00:47.30 | Jef91 | How can I setup an ssh connection between two systems on my home network? |
| 00:47.52 | stew | s3a: oh, wait. nm, I'm sorry, you don't have to import B since they are in the same package |
| 00:48.03 | stew | s3a: you can just reference B as if you imported it |
| 00:48.10 | Proview | erm, NIC - REALTEK 8100C |
| 00:48.15 | s3a | Jef91, if no one else tells you, i'll tell you when i solved my problem |
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| 00:48.37 | s3a | stew, so do i need to say package SOMETHING for both the files |
| 00:48.51 | stew | Proview: can you tell us how it is listed in "lspci -nn" |
| 00:49.07 | Proview | yeah, Ethernet Controller 0444:0016 Revision(10) |
| 00:49.09 | stew | s3a: your javac commands are fine, just get rid of the import statement |
| 00:49.14 | Jef91 | thanks s3a - even a decent HOWTO I could follow |
| 00:49.18 | stew | judd: pciid 0444:0016 |
| 00:49.19 | judd | [0444:0016] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0444:0016 |
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| 00:49.42 | Proview | -.- |
| 00:49.58 | stew | odd that it doesn't even say that it is realtek |
| 00:50.17 | Proview | stew: the only reason why i think its realtek is because i found this |
| 00:50.19 | Proview | http://www.e4allupgraders.info/dir1/motherboards/socket939/msi7184.shtml |
| 00:50.38 | Proview | manufacturer of mine is HP, but the mobo is the same regardless |
| 00:50.45 | menlo | @Proview is this an HP system or an MSI MOBO that you personally installed? |
| 00:50.57 | Proview | HP system |
| 00:50.59 | menlo | what is the hp exact model number? |
| 00:51.13 | Proview | i'll grab that, one sec |
| 00:51.34 | Proview | media center m7248n |
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| 00:51.57 | Proview | http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c00511049&lang=en&cc=us&contentType=SupportFAQ&prodSeriesId=1118273&prodTypeId=12454 |
| 00:52.30 | s3a | stew, ok i got it working. why don't i need to use the import or package keyword? |
| 00:52.39 | s3a | please elaborate since this is confusing me a lot |
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| 00:52.57 | stew | s3a: you never have to import classes in the same package. since you don't declare a package, they are all in the same package |
| 00:52.58 | s3a | Jef91, i don't know of a how-to, i'll tell you just 2 secs |
| 00:53.22 | s3a | stew, same package = the default package? |
| 00:53.37 | stew | s3a: you *could* declare either A or B or both to be in packages, if they are in different packages, you would have to use import |
| 00:53.40 | stew | s3a: yes |
| 00:54.02 | s3a | stew, i would like to have them in a package. a package is fancy for directory? |
| 00:54.27 | s3a | Steaven`, like do i put package tmp; on top for both? |
| 00:54.32 | s3a | stew not Steaven` |
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| 00:55.45 | stew | s3a: yes, sort of. if you said "package foo;" for A, your javac would create /tmp/foo/A.class ; if you had "package bar;" at the top of B, it would create "/tmp/bar/B.class" in B, you would have to "import foo.A" |
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| 00:56.17 | menlo | @Proview it looks like the audio board is Controller: AC97 audio |
| 00:56.40 | menlo | I would head down that path - I believe the mic is a part of the audio chuipset |
| 00:58.14 | s3a | stew, http://pastebin.com/jV8HFyy9 first (this is the case where they're in the same package and shouldn't have to import) |
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| 00:59.36 | Proview | menlo: ethernet, not mic |
| 00:59.39 | Proview | NIC |
| 00:59.43 | Proview | network interface * :p |
| 01:00.21 | Proview | i'm adding in a new ethernet card now as a work-around |
| 01:00.23 | Proview | thank you though |
| 01:00.32 | s3a | Jef91, 1) install openssh-server on the computer being controlled and openssh-client on the computer doing the controlling 2) do ssh-keygen -lf /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub on the computer being controlled 3) ssh username@ipaddress which will say stuff and ask yes or no to connect make sure that that stuff is the same as the output of "2)" this ensures you're not getting hacked |
| 01:01.19 | s3a | for "3)" i should have said that username is the username and ip address of the computer being controlled and you run the command on the computer which is meant to do the controlling |
| 01:01.21 | Jef91 | Sweet - thanks s3a. Know a quick way to show my current IP addy from the CLI? |
| 01:01.28 | s3a | Jef91, ifconfig |
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| 01:02.17 | stew | s3a: does /tmp/foo/B.class exist? |
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| 01:02.56 | s3a | stew, o wait i left them both in /tmp |
| 01:03.00 | s3a | sorry |
| 01:03.08 | inthl | dev.mysql.com says `On Linux use hdparm -m16 -d1 on the disks on boot to enable reading/writing of multiple sectors at a time, and DMA. This may increase the response time by 5-50 %. ` - how do I check whether these values are set already? hdparm -m /dev/sda for exampe says multcount = 0 (off) - so this is not activated, true? hdparm -d /dev/sda says HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 01:03.09 | stew | s3a: if not, that's the reason. you can also do "javac /tmp/{B,A}.java -d /tmp" to compile them both at the same time |
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| 01:03.38 | s3a | Jef91, ifconfig | grep "inet addr" is more straight to the point |
| 01:04.42 | Jef91 | thanks - adding all these to my notes s3a. Will make my working on the n900 alot easier :) |
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| 01:05.24 | s3a | Jef91, no problem :) |
| 01:06.01 | s3a | stew, can i come back after to continue this? i'm kinda not thinking straight because my food is on the table lol |
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| 01:06.12 | chemistrydioxide | Ok, after suspending to disk and resuming, my second problem has somehow solved itself as well |
| 01:06.17 | menlo | @Proview looked at their site. I can tell you that the BIOS is at 3.47 - so if you have an older one, then you probably want to upgrade that. before you dig too much deeper |
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| 01:07.30 | menlo | hey on /interfaces - what is the significance of allow-hotplug eth0 ? |
| 01:07.55 | s3a | stew, since you're not answering i'll take that as a yes |
| 01:08.03 | s3a | i'll be back |
| 01:08.20 | menlo | specifically hotplug? |
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| 01:09.03 | colocoloandy | hello |
| 01:09.13 | menlo | it would imply to be saying "allow for removal and reinsertion of the media" |
| 01:09.13 | colocoloandy | I've done some reading on fstab and messed around already with it but i still cant get this right, so please help. pcmanfm shows on the side bar the additional partitions on my hardrive, but i want it to ask me for the sudo password (i guess by lauching gksudo) when i try to access on them or try to mount them via pcmanfm or thunar. I tried changing the user/nouser options as well as the auto/noaout options but i either get them automatically mounted du |
| 01:09.13 | colocoloandy | ring boot time thus any user can access them, or i get an "authorization required" message but no option to enter sudo password. |
| 01:10.03 | colocoloandy | So, how can i get pcmanfm, or thunar for that matter, to ask users for the sudo password when they try to access the partitions through these filemanagers, especially pcmanfm? |
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| 01:16.37 | inthl | can one assume that linux optimizes hdparm-parameters by default for sata-drives? there are lots of options, many relevant ones apper to be unsettable |
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| 01:24.32 | somiaj | inthl: its probabaly more drive dependent, I'd only use hdparm if you can tell that its not correctally reading the settings from the drive |
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| 01:26.34 | inthl | I was wondering, because I think - I can't confirm this - that since a last apt-upgrade my systems (servers) are running slower, meaning by I/O |
| 01:26.37 | inthl | -performance |
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| 01:34.20 | somiaj | inthl: assume the upgrade changed kernels, may be the scheduler |
| 01:36.19 | somiaj | inthl: there could be other changes in the kernel that could effect I/O desptie just the hdparms |
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| 01:37.07 | inthl | yes sure |
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| 01:39.58 | r4v5_ | ugh. I can't see anything on the display if I boot a xen kernel. |
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| 01:43.59 | jdberkeley | hey guys... can grub be installed independently from linux distros and then be administered from within any of them? |
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| 01:46.22 | r4v5_ | keep a separate /boot |
| 01:46.38 | jdberkeley | r4v5_: I see |
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| 01:47.15 | jdberkeley | r4v5_: and that can be accessed/modified from any/all installed distro? |
| 01:47.32 | r4v5_ | It can be, but you'll probably end up clobbering everybody's menu changes. |
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| 01:48.08 | jdberkeley | r4v5_: I see |
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| 01:49.55 | jdberkeley | r4v5_: I know there is a patch that allows grub 1 to boot ext4 partitions so thats good. |
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| 01:50.12 | colocoloandy | how do i get thunar to ask for sudo password when a certain directory is trying to be opened |
| 01:50.42 | sthiago | Hi. I can't find how to boot the USB live debian, just downloaded the standard.img. Unetbootin doesn't seem to work with .img. How should i proceed? |
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| 01:54.12 | gnarface | sthiago: you mean the standard .iso? I suspect you are going off an obsolete (pre-squeeze) set of USB live docs. the new iso files are hybrid types that can just be as easily dd'd directly to a usb key as burned to a CDR/W |
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| 01:56.28 | sthiago | well, i got the standard .img from here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
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| 01:58.39 | gnarface | sthiago: and then you said "dd if=debian-live-6.0.1-i386-standard.img of=/dev/sd[your usb drive letter]" right? |
| 01:59.06 | karlpinc | sthiago: The recommended way is to do what the install guide says, which is what gnarface just mentioned. |
| 01:59.19 | sthiago | i can't actually say that since i'm not under another linux |
| 01:59.43 | karlpinc | sthiago: However there are known problems. I don't know why or what, I just heard that there are. I'm sure the bug tracking system knows. |
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| 02:00.41 | gnarface | sthiago: aah! so now we come to the crux of the problem. you didn't follow the INSTRUCTIONS. you should know that non-debian operating systems are *not* supported here but from personal experience i can help you out by mentioning there is a freeware program called "rawwrite.exe" that i used to use for making linux boot floppies under windows. if you find a new version it should be USB key capable as well. |
| 02:00.59 | karlpinc | sthiago: I think there's a #debian-live channel.... But still, we should know something useful here. |
| 02:01.26 | gnarface | suspects a simple PEBKAC issue where sthiago couldn't use dd so he just right click+copied |
| 02:01.37 | sthiago | karlpinc: didn't see a mention on the site about the #debian-live, sorry to come here wrongly |
| 02:01.52 | karlpinc | sthiago: This is not wrong, just perhaps not optimal. |
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| 02:02.10 | gnarface | sthiago: relax, breathe deeply and steadily, and find your ass a copy of rawwrite.exe |
| 02:02.34 | sthiago | gnarface: well, i read the instructions, since there were only linux-based instructions, i thought that i couldn't find the "other" one, sorry for bothering |
| 02:02.36 | gnarface | sthiago: possibly rawrite.exe ... not sure the exact spelling |
| 02:02.49 | karlpinc | sthiago: There must be instructions ont he live site. They are only for Linux? |
| 02:03.03 | gnarface | sthiago: plEASE don't get all bent out of shape. i will help you if you keep your cool |
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| 02:03.21 | karlpinc | sthiago: There's a copy of rawrite on the debian mirrors. I've sen it somewhere. |
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| 02:05.14 | sthiago | gnarface: okay, sorry, it's just that i thought there was a section for non-linux installation -- i'll take a look into the rawrite.exe |
| 02:05.37 | karlpinc | sthiago: I don't suppose you've a mac? That will dd. |
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| 02:06.51 | sthiago | karlpinc: unfortunately not, but let me try the rawrite |
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| 02:07.23 | gnarface | sthiago: its not non-linux per se... its just the 'everything but windows' documentation. the truth is that despite its crushing dominance in the desktop market, windows lacks a lot of important and pretty much universal tools. while its true that dd is not a "linux" tool as much as a "posix" tool basically *every* desktop operating system in existence that is currently supported has dd, EXCEPT for windows. |
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| 02:08.24 | karlpinc | sthiago: I suspect that there's other common utililities that would work. Like, say, ghost or one of those partition management things. Maybe. I don't know enough about MS stuff and would only give bad advice. |
| 02:08.25 | gnarface | sthiago: basically *every* currently supported desktop operating system *besides* windows is posix enough that most of this basic drive/iso image manipulation type boot instructions are universal |
| 02:09.00 | karlpinc | sthiago: There's always burning to a CD and then booting from that and using it to setup your usb key. That sounds a bit of going around the barn though. |
| 02:10.11 | gnarface | sthiago: karlpinc brings up a very important note. several commercial programs for windows DO recreate some of this basic functionality available stock, free in the posix operating systems. if you can get your hands on a copy of ghost or maybe even norton disk utilities or one of a number of old windows cd burning softwares you might be able to trick one of them into an equivalent behavior to rawrite or dd. |
| 02:10.56 | karlpinc | wonders if one of those cd burning programs that is used to dealing with isos would work. Who knows? |
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| 02:11.32 | sthiago | gnarface: i get the "all but windows" thing -- yeah, that was the thing i was looking for, some way to emulate the tools, i thought unetbootin could do that, but not with .img, as i see |
| 02:11.34 | karlpinc | sthiago: This also sounds like a job for the debian wiki (wiki.debian.org). Maybe there's something there. |
| 02:12.18 | gnarface | karlpinc: that's what i was thinking. lots of cd burning studios on windows (like roxio and toast and nero?) i recall had iso direct-write capabilities... i wonder if any of them are smart enough (stupid enough?) to be able to be coerced into doing the same action on a usb key instead of an optical drive |
| 02:12.46 | gnarface | i KNOW ghost will work but it costs money |
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| 02:13.15 | gnarface | i THINK norton disk utilities should also be able to do it but its not only EOLifed it also cost money |
| 02:13.22 | karlpinc | gnarface: I can't figure out how to recreate a partition table on a usb key and have it boot. It's annoying, and probably due to cheezy hardware sector remapping. |
| 02:13.32 | sthiago | gnarface: i don't recall nero being able to write to a usb key |
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| 02:14.19 | gnarface | karlpinc: i always did them just like any magnetic drive and never had trouble, but the new hybrid iso images we have now should carry their own partition table so you should not need to know how to do that |
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| 02:15.31 | Pyro_Killer | gentlemen, i have a problem with my xml-rpc libraries beeing outdated, and there doesnt seem to be any newer versioooooon in the reposetories, how do i go about updating them? |
| 02:15.33 | gnarface | sthiago: i shouldn't be advising this either since i know you're looking for a *live* cd rather than just an installer... but have you seen http://goodbye-windows.com/ ? |
| 02:15.53 | karlpinc | gnarface: I want to be able to wipe the drive and rebuild it from the ground up. |
| 02:15.55 | gnarface | sthiago: (also not supported here) |
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| 02:16.44 | karlpinc | Pyro_Killer: You can backport yourself from sid, or check backports.debian.org, or install from source and use something like stow. (See the <stow> and <stow usage> factoids.) |
| 02:16.56 | gnarface | karlpinc: well the easiest way to do that is just to delete all the partitions and repartition. did you run into trouble trying to DD the iso image to a specific partition? |
| 02:17.20 | karlpinc | gnarface: When I did that I couldn't get the drive to boot. |
| 02:17.42 | gnarface | karlpinc: but you just dd the new iso to the drive itself, not a specfic image. |
| 02:17.47 | karlpinc | gnarface: Actually, I didn't do that. I wanted to re-create the partition table itself. |
| 02:17.50 | gnarface | karlpinc: er, speicifc partition i mean |
| 02:17.52 | sthiago | gnarface: haven't seen it, i'll check :) -- The thing is, i can't install the debian in this notebook or i'll lose the warranty. Until then, i wanted to use the live usb |
| 02:18.33 | karlpinc | sthiago: You could run a VM and run debian inside that. |
| 02:18.40 | gnarface | sthiago: i salute you for your cautious approach |
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| 02:19.11 | gnarface | sthiago: i salute you for your cautious approach but i warn you - unless that's a mac with an applecare warranty, your warranty ain't worth shit |
| 02:19.27 | _archer_ | is ther a ppa cernter like launchpad for debian lease |
| 02:19.56 | karlpinc | _archer_: What's a ppa? What's a lease? |
| 02:20.01 | _archer_ | please |
| 02:20.28 | karlpinc | _archer_: oh. |
| 02:20.45 | _archer_ | Personal Package Archives. |
| 02:20.46 | gnarface | what's a ppa? |
| 02:20.48 | gnarface | aaah! |
| 02:20.50 | _archer_ | like diy versions |
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| 02:21.04 | gnarface | in debian you can make your own repo... never tried it though. |
| 02:21.12 | _archer_ | i cannot find a firefox source code |
| 02:21.17 | _archer_ | nor thunderbird 3.3 |
| 02:21.18 | sthiago | karlpinc: VM, that's an idea if i don't manage to do the live usb |
| 02:21.31 | gnarface | _archer_: on debian they're called "iceweasel" and "icedove" |
| 02:21.39 | karlpinc | _archer_: On the http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware page there's links to wiki pages that describe those sorts of archives. |
| 02:21.41 | _archer_ | icedove = v3.1 |
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| 02:22.28 | gnarface | _archer_: its a licencing issue with the mascot. if you want the bleeding edge release code for thunderbird you'll have to get it from mozilla.org yourself. it is not supported here though i suspect you should be able to package it no problem..... |
| 02:22.36 | _archer_ | i have huge amount mails on gmail. need conversation view. anyway ... I am a beginner of debian |
| 02:22.41 | karlpinc | _archer_: "man sources.list" tells you how to add source archives. Then "apt-get source somepackage" gets the source. |
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| 02:23.00 | karlpinc | !tell _archer_ about introduction |
| 02:23.07 | karlpinc | _archer_: ^^ since you're new. |
| 02:23.13 | Pyro_Killer | is it just me or is debian sort of outdated, i just wish to know, server wise, not the workstation software |
| 02:23.14 | _archer_ | haha ty |
| 02:23.49 | karlpinc | !tell Pyro_Killer about stable |
| 02:23.49 | _archer_ | usually on server , i will compile sw myself |
| 02:24.12 | stew | (says the person who is new to debian) |
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| 02:24.50 | stew | Pyro_Killer: iirc you are running lenny, which was frozen in 2008 |
| 02:24.51 | karlpinc | _archer_: Debian does the system's integration so you don't have to. It's the whole point of package management and Linux distros. |
| 02:24.59 | stew | Pyro_Killer: squeeze, the current release was frozen in august 2010 |
| 02:25.19 | Pyro_Killer | ive used debian since the 4.0 came out, and the workstation software rocks, but now when i use the server software, i get all kinds of errors and outdates, and the source rarely compiles without a shitload of errors cause the other reposetory software also is outdated |
| 02:25.24 | Pyro_Killer | *frustratted* |
| 02:25.45 | Pyro_Killer | oooooh, that sorta explains thigns.... |
| 02:25.49 | gnarface | Pyro_Killer: out-dated, no. more cautious about accepting the shiniest, newest (most broken) thing.... yes |
| 02:25.52 | karlpinc | Pyro_Killer: See also the <overview> factoid. |
| 02:26.01 | _archer_ | yes. but like some fan here said. usually outdated, or too stable |
| 02:26.13 | gnarface | Pyro_Killer: ask dpkg about sns |
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| 02:26.39 | karlpinc | _archer_: That's what <bdo> is for. |
| 02:27.37 | Pyro_Killer | lets talk sid, is it "fairly" stable |
| 02:27.51 | stew | Pyro_Killer: no, the opposite. it changes 4 times a day |
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| 02:28.15 | Pyro_Killer | id hate to leave debian, i really would, but maybe i dont have a choise |
| 02:28.17 | stew | Pyro_Killer: and packages uploaded to stable have maybe been testing on 1 of the 13 arches, unfortunately maybe not at all |
| 02:28.19 | _archer_ | he try to define my word "non stable" |
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| 02:28.34 | karlpinc | Pyro_Killer: What exactly is the problem? |
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| 02:29.35 | Pyro_Killer | im trying to create a simple seed box, but my libraries are outdated, so everyhting will not work as it should, and to get the new libraries i have to compile it, but because its dependencies are also outdated, i cant compile them |
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| 02:29.59 | Pyro_Killer | seedbox with http frontend ofc, rutorrent, not that ugly fluxtorrent |
| 02:30.20 | karlpinc | Pyro_Killer: Are you indeed running lenny? The first step would be to follow the release notes and upgrade to squeeze. |
| 02:30.41 | stew | debian stable has the current stable release of rtorrent |
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| 02:31.42 | robblesz | Pyro_Killer: ask dpkg about "ssb" and "uupdate" |
| 02:31.52 | _archer_ | it is going too complicated for me. I am running testing debian xfce, and just wanna a newer thunderbird |
| 02:32.00 | Pyro_Killer | nope, its squeeze (¨6.0) |
| 02:32.04 | gnarface | Pyro_Killer: don't leave debian. if all else fails you can use the checkinstall utility to make quick&dirty debian packages from source components. don't ditch debian for something like that. |
| 02:32.18 | stew | Pyro_Killer: what version of rtorrent do you need? |
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| 02:32.44 | Pyro_Killer | 0.8.6, but it gets compiled with an old version of |
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| 02:32.55 | stew | judd: info rtorrent --release squeeze |
| 02:32.56 | judd | Package rtorrent (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent from rakshasa. Version: 0.8.6-1; Size: 363.5k; Installed: 1200k; Homepage: http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/rtorrent |
| 02:32.59 | gnarface | _archer_: so just get the thunderbird deb from mozilla.org and put it in? |
| 02:32.59 | Pyro_Killer | [15.06.2011 03:58:45] rTorrent is compiled with incorrect version of xmlrpc-c library, without i8 support. Version must be >= 1.11. Some functionality will be unavailable |
| 02:33.05 | stew | Pyro_Killer: what is wrong with 0.8.6-1 in squeeze |
| 02:33.05 | Pyro_Killer | that is my problem |
| 02:33.15 | Pyro_Killer | so all torrents over 2 gigs, cant download |
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| 02:33.34 | _archer_ | gnarface: it is 3.1 , but i perfer 3.3. anyway i will try now |
| 02:33.43 | robblesz | backport 0.8.7-7 from sid yourself |
| 02:34.02 | stew | judd: versions libxmlrpc-c3 |
| 02:34.02 | judd | Package libxmlrpc-c3 on i386 -- lenny: 1.06.27-1; squeeze: 1.06.27-1.1 |
| 02:34.18 | robblesz | Pyro_Killer: apt-get -V -b source rtorrent=0.8.7-7 |
| 02:34.27 | karlpinc | Pyro_Killer: Or just backport the library and recompile the squeeze rtorrent. |
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| 02:34.45 | hdb2 | anyone have a suggestion for an app that will do billing/invoicing *without* having to setup accounts/accounts payable? I just need to occassionaly do some invoicing, and doing it from scratch seems harder than it should be. |
| 02:34.59 | _archer_ | is there a thunderbird 3.3 deb there on mozilla? i don't think so |
| 02:35.13 | gnarface | _archer_: you're saying that you need a copy of thunderbird that is ONLY available by source? so that's easy. download their source. configure it and compile it (run make) but at the step where you would otherwise run "make install" instead run "checkinstall make install" (install checkinstall with apt-get or aptitude first) then follow the onscreen instructions. BAM instant thunderbird 3.3 package. it'll be like magic for you |
| 02:35.26 | karlpinc | hdb2: debtags is good for searching for that sort of stuff. |
| 02:35.27 | Pyro_Killer | judd: noe jou see it needs to be later then 1.11 |
| 02:35.35 | Pyro_Killer | then i can compile from source |
| 02:35.41 | hdb2 | karlpinc: thanks for the pointer, I'll check it out! |
| 02:35.49 | karlpinc | Pyro_Killer: judd is a bot. |
| 02:35.50 | stew | Pyro_Killer: so you want "/msg dpkg ssb" to get xmlrpc-c compiled from sid for your system |
| 02:35.52 | gnarface | _archer_: debian has ridiculously out-of-date wine packages too. i do it all the time for wine and ffmpeg |
| 02:35.59 | stew | Pyro_Killer: then do the same with rorrent |
| 02:37.07 | Pyro_Killer | coukld you please expand how i go about xmlrpc from sid installation? |
| 02:37.11 | karlpinc | hdb2: If you find anything good let us know. (I do it all manually because I'm too lazy to change.) |
| 02:37.14 | _archer_ | gnarface: excuse me. but in that way, xfce will not integrate mozilla project into gui menus ect. |
| 02:37.21 | stew | dpkg: tell Pyro_Killer about ssb |
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| 02:37.30 | hdb2 | karlpinc: will do :) |
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| 02:38.21 | gnarface | _archer_: i'm not sure what you mean but if i infer correctly, you're talking about something that would be done at the package level that you can manually recreate by learning enough about xfce and mozilla project and how they integrate. its probably documented somewhere and not very difficult to find |
| 02:39.08 | gnarface | _archer_: you could even (if you were so motivated) add these changes to your debian package |
| 02:39.19 | gnarface | _archer_: i wouldn't recommend going through the trouble if you hate reading though |
| 02:39.28 | robblesz | dpkg: tell _archer_ about uupdate |
| 02:39.29 | karlpinc | Is there any reason to remain subscribed to the cert mailing list? |
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| 02:41.21 | robblesz | any one have any idea how to get notified about new releases for pinned or held packages? |
| 02:41.25 | _archer_ | I don't hate reading. but just feeling upset, especially just turning from ubuntu. seems a little bit complicated |
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| 02:43.51 | rypervenche | _archer_: You're running Debian Testing you said? |
| 02:44.15 | rypervenche | ,versions icedove |
| 02:44.16 | judd | Package icedove on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze2; wheezy: 3.1.10-1; sid: 3.1.10-2 |
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| 02:44.42 | _archer_ | yes. linuxmint xfce4 i think |
| 02:44.56 | rypervenche | _archer_: That is not Debian. |
| 02:44.57 | stew | _archer_: uh, you are in the wrong channel. this is debian, not mint |
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| 02:45.14 | _archer_ | it is debian not ubuntu |
| 02:45.36 | stew | its neither |
| 02:45.37 | rypervenche | _archer_: It is neither. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. |
| 02:45.41 | karlpinc | !tell _archer_ about linuxmint |
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| 02:46.15 | _archer_ | http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1725 read it "Linux Mint Xfce is rolling on top of a Debian Testing package base and uses the same repositories as LMDE." |
| 02:46.45 | rypervenche | _archer_: But it is still not Debian. |
| 02:46.54 | karlpinc | robblesz: I can imagine setting up an alternate apt config without pinning and telling aptitude to use that and doing "aptitude search '~U'". But that's my imagination. I don't really know how to do it. |
| 02:47.14 | stew | "Official support channel is #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org" |
| 02:47.16 | karlpinc | _archer_: It's not debian because it does not use the debian repositories. |
| 02:47.18 | stew | _archer_: ^^ |
| 02:47.22 | rypervenche | _archer_: Ubuntu uses Debian's repositories and it is still very different from Debian. |
| 02:47.24 | stew | !based on debian |
| 02:47.25 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 02:47.30 | robblesz | karlpinc: thanks for the input |
| 02:47.39 | _archer_ | uhh... |
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| 02:47.58 | _archer_ | i know the difference btw U&D |
| 02:48.13 | _archer_ | but just ignored Linuxmint and debian |
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| 02:48.30 | _archer_ | since its driver package is good for beginner |
| 02:48.32 | karlpinc | _archer_: Thing is, once somebody starts changing things we don't know what to recommend. |
| 02:49.00 | stew | and I don't want to support it. the author steals software and pretends its his own, violoating license agreements as he goes |
| 02:49.14 | stew | refuses to give out source code when he's required to... |
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| 02:49.22 | stew | but anyway, i'm getting dragged offtopic, sorry |
| 02:49.26 | rypervenche | stew: Mint? |
| 02:49.28 | stew | yes |
| 02:49.35 | rypervenche | Good to know, I'll look into that. |
| 02:49.54 | daveo | is a recent linux mint xfce convert |
| 02:50.09 | _archer_ | usually we believe it is a hacked/diy version of blah blah blah ubuntu,debian, ect |
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| 02:59.15 | optraz | when we started ntpd, how often does it poll to the ntp server for clock sync? |
| 02:59.48 | _archer_ | ihum |
| 03:00.17 | _archer_ | stew, i can understand you. their team are violating gpl , right |
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| 03:01.19 | stew | optraz: continuously |
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| 03:01.53 | optraz | ok, i see my box time drift a lot into the future though ntpd is running in the system. |
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| 03:02.56 | stew | optraz: well, i guess "continuously" is not really all that accurate. it self regulates and varies based on the machine, how long it has been running, and some randomness |
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| 03:04.32 | optraz | stew: ok, any idea how to request ntpd to do more periodic sync? |
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| 03:04.47 | optraz | because it alwasy drift the time into the future so so quickly |
| 03:05.37 | gnarface | optraz: you read the ntpd man page? |
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| 03:07.22 | stew | optraz: what does "ntpq -p" have in the 'poll' column? |
| 03:08.13 | optraz | 128 and 64 |
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| 03:08.37 | stew | 64 is the minumum, I believe |
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| 03:09.32 | stew | optraz: is ntpd running with -g? does "grep iburst /etc/ntp.conf" return matches? |
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| 03:09.48 | optraz | stew: so every 64seconds, ntpd poll the ntp server for clock sync? |
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| 03:09.57 | stew | yes |
| 03:10.27 | stew | optraz: but if you are far off (especially in the future) it won't adjust the clock in big jumps, but by slewing it more gradually |
| 03:10.37 | stew | (it can be bad to experience the same time twice) |
| 03:10.49 | gnarface | doesn't ntpd have a special setting for badly skeweing clocks |
| 03:11.03 | optraz | stew: no, ntpd does not running with -g . grep iburst to /etc/ntp.conf show no result. |
| 03:11.09 | gnarface | to take the safety off how much change it will allow at any single polling interval? |
| 03:11.16 | stew | -g will tell it to adjust even if you are way off (and I think way off means > 1024 seconds), iburst makes it sync more quickly |
| 03:11.41 | gnarface | optraz: wtf happened to your clock? |
| 03:11.43 | stew | gnarface: i don't think so |
| 03:12.02 | optraz | gnarface: it is running on top of virtualbox |
| 03:12.04 | gnarface | stew: i think the -g option you just described is it |
| 03:12.27 | stew | gnarface: no, that's whether or not it tries at all. |
| 03:12.35 | gnarface | optraz: i don't know virtualbox. is it a problem with the software or is there a problem with the host/hardware? |
| 03:12.45 | stew | optraz: you really want both iburst and -g. the "server" lines in ntp.conf should look something like "server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic" |
| 03:12.51 | karlpinc | gnarface: Likely the host is not running utc time. |
| 03:13.03 | stew | optraz: /etc/default/ntp should have "NTPD_OPTS='-g'" |
| 03:13.06 | gnarface | aah, good point |
| 03:13.12 | optraz | stew: okay, i add both of that.. thank you. |
| 03:13.27 | gnarface | karlpinc: yes that would be a likely way to cause this, good catch |
| 03:13.32 | stew | optraz: is your clock ahead or behind? |
| 03:13.36 | optraz | ahead |
| 03:13.40 | optraz | ahead into the future |
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| 03:13.43 | karlpinc | optraz: Perhaps there's a way to tell the VM that you want utc hardware time? Or you need to tell your box the hardware clock is not utc? |
| 03:13.53 | gnarface | one would think... |
| 03:15.03 | optraz | stew: added all that |
| 03:15.08 | stew | optraz: my understanding (which might be wrong) is that being ahead will take longer to sync (becuase it doesn't want to rewind time), but with iburst, it should happen as quickly as possible (other than you manually adjusting the date to get it closer to start with, or using the deprecated ntpdate which will set it immediately) |
| 03:15.15 | stew | optraz: /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
| 03:15.31 | stew | (and check that ntpd is now running with -g) |
| 03:15.41 | karlpinc | Ok. So I think I know what I'm doing but I'm looking for a sanity check. I just frobbed a rule in /lib/udev/rules.d to support a multi-function printer. That rule change will not be preserved should the package get upgraded, right? (The problem is fixed in wheezy and I figure I'll fix it temporarly, badly, and then wait for a real fix.) |
| 03:15.51 | stew | optraz: is your clock more than 20 minutes off? |
| 03:16.12 | optraz | ok, done |
| 03:16.25 | optraz | yes, it is now running with -g |
| 03:16.26 | stew | karlpinc: yes, if its in /etc, your changes must be preserved or it is a policy violation |
| 03:16.29 | optraz | i output to log too-l |
| 03:16.32 | optraz | -l |
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| 03:16.45 | optraz | stew: horrible.. it was hour... :( |
| 03:16.55 | karlpinc | stew: Right, but it's not in /etc/ so my changes will be destroyed -- which is what I want. |
| 03:16.56 | stew | karlpinc: oh, heh, you said /lib |
| 03:17.28 | stew | karlpinc: check if they are conffile in dpkg -s, if not, you'd have to check the postinst script to see if it is somehow being preserved from there |
| 03:17.36 | karlpinc | optraz: What time zone are you in? |
| 03:17.41 | stew | optraz: if it was an hour, and you didn't have -g, then ntp would NOT try to fix your time |
| 03:17.59 | optraz | gmt +8 |
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| 03:18.14 | gnarface | optraz: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 03:18.26 | optraz | stew: understood. did the changes and now validating.. |
| 03:18.37 | _archer_ | haha |
| 03:18.42 | rhenani | Hello guys |
| 03:18.45 | _archer_ | gmt+8 china? |
| 03:18.46 | karlpinc | optraz, gnarface That seems to blow my theory. His clock is not 8 hours off. |
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| 03:19.01 | rhenani | I've been trying to fix this problem |
| 03:19.07 | rhenani | with my google-earth package |
| 03:19.09 | rhenani | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/googleearth008.png/ |
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| 03:19.21 | optraz | no, no china |
| 03:19.22 | optraz | mlaaysia |
| 03:19.32 | gnarface | rhenani: just do dpkg --purge google-earth |
| 03:19.42 | gnarface | rhenani: then do apt-get update && apt-get install google-earth |
| 03:20.04 | stew | judd: versions google-earth |
| 03:20.05 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'google-earth' was found in i386. |
| 03:20.21 | rhenani | stew: 6.0 |
| 03:20.24 | optraz | gnarface: why should reconfigure tzdata, does not make sense and does not fix the original problem. |
| 03:20.25 | gnarface | what?! rhenani are you trying to trick us into supporting a non-debian package? |
| 03:20.41 | gnarface | optraz: just to make sure its right at least? |
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| 03:21.05 | optraz | yes, it was and still it is. |
| 03:21.13 | rhenani | http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html |
| 03:21.25 | gnarface | rhenani: :( |
| 03:21.27 | karlpinc | stew: Uh, where's the postinst script? Do I need to download the source package? |
| 03:21.32 | rhenani | I donwloaded the package |
| 03:21.37 | rhenani | Used dpkg -i |
| 03:21.45 | stew | karlpinc: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst |
| 03:21.59 | gnarface | rhenani: that is not part of debian. we don't know why the hell it broke. you said no other software in your debian system had this problem? |
| 03:22.06 | karlpinc | stew: Thanks. (I was looking in /var/lib/apt/...) |
| 03:22.09 | nsadmin | rhenani, did dpkg succeed? |
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| 03:22.33 | rhenani | gnarface: The problem is just with google earth |
| 03:22.39 | rhenani | nsadmin: Yes It did |
| 03:22.44 | gnarface | rhenani: show nsadmin the screen shot |
| 03:23.21 | gnarface | rhenani: tell him the thing about you maybe having changed from another locale and/or tried to install japanese fonts or whatever too |
| 03:24.55 | rypervenche | rhenani: I think it's a problem with QT configurations. |
| 03:25.15 | rypervenche | rhenani: I remember I had a similar problem with it a while back, I couldn't get it to show up in Chinese properly. |
| 03:25.38 | optraz | stew: i dont see any sync in the ntpd log.. :( |
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| 03:25.57 | rhenani | rypervenche: So what would you recomend me to do?? |
| 03:26.04 | karlpinc | optraz: It takes a while. Test with "ntpq -p". |
| 03:26.40 | optraz | i have been waiting 13minutes.. |
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| 03:26.58 | rypervenche | rhenani: http://www.google.fm/support/forum/p/earth/thread?tid=466e4cb94e0d8200&hl=en |
| 03:27.29 | karlpinc | optraz: Ntp is picky. (You might try "tail -f /var/log/daemon.log | grep ntp" Or something like that.) |
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| 03:34.43 | optraz | karlpinc: stew seriously, i dont see any clcok sync .. |
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| 03:40.19 | optraz | 15 Jun 11:43:14 ntpd[29396]: kernel time sync enabled 0001 |
| 03:40.25 | optraz | waht does that means? |
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| 03:45.52 | optraz | ok, i give up |
| 03:45.55 | optraz | i just use ntpdate |
| 03:45.59 | optraz | sync every 5minutes |
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| 03:48.19 | gnarface | optraz: or... patience? |
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| 03:50.56 | gnarface | optraz: to be clear, is the problem your system clock or your hardware clock? |
| 03:51.08 | optraz | gnarface: what patience? i have been spending like 20minutes monitor... it does not sync anyway.. |
| 03:51.17 | optraz | system clock |
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| 03:53.24 | nsadmin | optraz, it has to initially be within 1024 secs of the correct time before it would sync... to change the system time has other effects on your system |
| 03:54.01 | optraz | nsadmin: the only ouput i saw in ntpd log is 15 Jun 11:43:14 ntpd[29396]: kernel time sync enabled 0001 |
| 03:54.04 | optraz | that's it.. |
| 03:54.16 | optraz | and pardon me, im not expert in ntpd but what does that means anyway? |
| 03:54.58 | nsadmin | not total expert either... but it looks like it's up according to that message |
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| 03:56.35 | optraz | 15 Jun 11:43:14 ntpd[29396]: synchronized to LOCAL(0), stratum 10 |
| 03:56.40 | optraz | this line before that line.. |
| 03:56.50 | optraz | so i would guess it would sync to itself... ? |
| 03:56.55 | optraz | which is obviously wrong.. |
| 03:57.27 | nsadmin | your local server is a stratum 10 server... which means it's 10 servers away from a server attached to a clock |
| 03:58.07 | gnarface | optraz: most people just run ntpdate the first time to get their clocks within range of "correct" then start ntpd to keep it there. you couldn't do that? |
| 03:58.38 | optraz | gnarface: yes, i had ntpd running for quite sometime until 2 days ago, when i notice the time drifted far into the future.. |
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| 04:00.18 | gnarface | optraz: have you searched bugs.debian.org to see if anyone else has had this problem? |
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| 04:01.39 | optraz | gnarface: .... |
| 04:02.09 | nsadmin | translated: "I shouldn't have to do that"? |
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| 04:02.39 | optraz | well nvm :) |
| 04:02.43 | optraz | i just reverted back to ntpdate |
| 04:02.50 | optraz | it works fine now at least i sync every 2m |
| 04:03.24 | stew | optraz: once you use it once, you shouldn't need to use it again |
| 04:03.28 | stew | as long as ntpd is running |
| 04:03.41 | stew | !ntpdate |
| 04:03.41 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 04:04.01 | optraz | one thing i noticed is that, the jitter is extremly high |
| 04:04.03 | gnarface | optraz: i don't know virtualbox at all but if what stew just said turns out to not be true for you, really you should talk to your hosting providor... cause it seems like your host is whack |
| 04:04.56 | optraz | sorry, not virtualbox |
| 04:05.02 | optraz | it is vmware |
| 04:06.16 | optraz | stew: it was using ntpd fine..until recently (to be exact), it drited far apart into the future. |
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| 04:07.29 | optraz | i dont know, the jitter show in ntq -p 470.388 remote=202.71.100.89 |
| 04:07.38 | optraz | now jitter 711.911 |
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| 04:08.05 | optraz | now, jitter = 3211.19 |
| 04:08.47 | jmarsden | optraz: I think vmware says specifically not to use ntpd inside guest OSes, doesn't it? |
| 04:08.58 | stew | sounds sucky |
| 04:08.58 | nsadmin | that may be a symptom of what's going on |
| 04:09.06 | stew | you'll have stuff like cronjobs executing twice |
| 04:09.14 | nevyn | jmarsden: they do? |
| 04:09.43 | jmarsden | http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/Timekeeping-In-VirtualMachines.pdf |
| 04:10.09 | gnarface | jmarsden: wasn't he using virtualbox, not vmware? i agree though in general... it was my assumption that the clock on a guest is always controlled by the host |
| 04:10.20 | jmarsden | gnarface: <optraz> it is vmware |
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| 04:10.39 | jmarsden | Rigght, you want ntp in ESX, not in each guest OS. |
| 04:10.41 | gnarface | jmarsden: OH. |
| 04:12.17 | nevyn | jmarsden: yeah see page 16 4th paragraph |
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| 04:14.06 | optraz | ok. if ntpdate works fine under cron, i would use it then. |
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| 04:14.46 | gnarface | optraz: tell them to fix their shit! |
| 04:15.00 | optraz | LoL.. |
| 04:15.04 | gnarface | optraz: get a nice xen host |
| 04:15.09 | nevyn | or fix your ntp config |
| 04:15.28 | optraz | nevyn: nothing from ntp config should be fix. |
| 04:15.37 | optraz | i already added iburst and -g to the ntpd parameter |
| 04:15.39 | optraz | it is the same.. |
| 04:16.07 | jmarsden | optraz: Read http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/Timekeeping-In-VirtualMachines.pdf and then decide how you will do timekeeping on your server... |
| 04:17.36 | optraz | thanks jmarsden will do. :) |
| 04:17.50 | jmarsden | optraz: You're welcome. |
| 04:18.13 | stew | is there any real reason to use xen instead of kvm these days? |
| 04:18.19 | optraz | when im checking the server which install on cloud, the jitter is like 0.001 |
| 04:19.31 | optraz | so my guess is that maybe that is the reason there is no sync when ntpd run for sometime.. i dont know , maybe ntpd expert can comment about this and that will clear the doubt. |
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| 04:20.49 | nevyn | optraz: read the whitepaper fix your ntp config or disable it in the guest if you want to use host based time sync |
| 04:20.59 | nevyn | we use ntp in guests everywhere here. |
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| 04:23.08 | robblesz | hm, it says openvz will be phased out in favor of LXC in Debian 7.0 |
| 04:23.12 | robblesz | uh oh... >_> |
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| 04:27.50 | nvz | Tried installing flashplugin-nonfree on wheezy and got a checksum mismatch on the file it downloaded and it didnt install the plugin, anyone know a workaround? |
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| 04:28.55 | jonesst1 | u are trying to install flashplayer into firefox? |
| 04:29.24 | nvz | no, but yes |
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| 04:29.40 | jonesst1 | uh? |
| 04:29.47 | nvz | firefox isnt in debian |
| 04:30.02 | jonesst1 | ah yes true |
| 04:30.16 | jonesst1 | was thinking rhel |
| 04:30.35 | nvz | ew |
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| 04:30.53 | jonesst1 | work uses rhel |
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| 04:31.01 | jonesst1 | so i eat my own dogfood |
| 04:31.03 | nvz | that sucks |
| 04:31.06 | jonesst1 | i use debain at home |
| 04:31.10 | jonesst1 | debian |
| 04:31.25 | user12 | i am not able to ping my localhost which is pingable externally. my ifconfig is http://pastebin.com/X8si0XZn |
| 04:31.26 | jonesst1 | using rhel? it really odesnt matter |
| 04:31.36 | user12 | on debian lenny |
| 04:31.39 | nvz | yeah well if I dont get a suggestion for a workaround then I'm just gonna try installing it manually from adobe |
| 04:31.45 | jonesst1 | at least its linux and not fista |
| 04:31.54 | sime | Is there a programtic way of listing the current sources.list, i.e. other then `cat`, thinking like a apt-cache command |
| 04:31.59 | jonesst1 | manually is waht i did |
| 04:32.15 | sary | ICeweasel is , i would advise using Gnash inested of adobe flash player , gnash works quite well. |
| 04:33.41 | nvz | gnash is installed already its not working |
| 04:34.00 | nvz | hence why I'm installing flash |
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| 04:34.24 | jonesst1 | user12 gimme a sec |
| 04:34.42 | user12 | ok |
| 04:34.44 | stew | nvz: what do you need flash for? |
| 04:34.44 | nvz | hah |
| 04:34.52 | nvz | stew: hulu.com mostly |
| 04:35.02 | jonesst1 | youtube, flash games |
| 04:35.08 | nvz | but couldnt navigate nvidia.com to download windows drivers earlier either |
| 04:35.09 | jonesst1 | lots of uses |
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| 04:35.29 | nvz | hulu crashes iceweasel with gnash |
| 04:35.32 | stew | nvz: ok, dunno about hulu.com. youtube doesn't need flash |
| 04:35.58 | nvz | yeah well I dont use youtube, hulu is what I use and its flash |
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| 04:38.09 | jonesst1 | user12 what does /etc/network/interfaces look like? |
| 04:38.57 | nvz | idk what you two are discussing but localhost is your loopback device |
| 04:39.02 | nvz | its not pingable from outside |
| 04:39.08 | nvz | so you're mistaken |
| 04:39.25 | stew | cool, i hadn't tried flash for a while on youtube, but it seems that gnash works |
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| 04:39.47 | jonesst1 | im assuming he's typing ping localhost |
| 04:39.55 | user12 | jonesst1: http://pastebin.com/PRuD5UKy |
| 04:40.12 | nvz | I got the libflashplayer.so just trying to figure out where to link it for iceweasel in wheezy |
| 04:40.42 | nvz | yeah well pinging localhost reads 127.0.0.1 from /etc/hosts and pings interface lo |
| 04:40.51 | nvz | on the localmachine |
| 04:41.00 | nvz | you cannot ping that remotely like he claims to have done.. heh |
| 04:41.06 | jonesst1 | user12 I'd expect to see two lines for local |
| 04:41.19 | stew | user12: why are you setting your broadcast to 0.0.0.0? are you sure you know what you are doing there? |
| 04:41.36 | jonesst1 | auto lo and on the next line iface lo inet loopback |
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| 04:41.54 | nvz | I say we take a few steps back and figure out what he's really trying to do here |
| 04:41.57 | stew | i personally don't know the behaviour of setting broadcast outside of the network. |
| 04:42.05 | user12 | stew : its a custom vps.not changed from my side |
| 04:42.24 | stew | oh boy |
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| 04:42.38 | jonesst1 | gtg sorry |
| 04:42.40 | user12 | jonesst1: should i make changes in /etc/init.d/interfaces? |
| 04:42.43 | nvz | on second thought I'm gonna run like hell..heh |
| 04:42.45 | stew | user12: why would you have the netmask of localhost as a /32 instead of /8 ? |
| 04:42.51 | user12 | jonesst1: should i make changes in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:43.20 | stew | there is no lo? |
| 04:43.32 | nsadmin | contendre? |
| 04:44.22 | stew | user12: since you are using somehting that is so far from standard, and it was setup by someone else, you should probably be talking to that "someone else" |
| 04:44.31 | nsadmin | if there's not lo and you didn't specifically do that, maybe your net wasn't set up yet |
| 04:44.45 | nsadmin | oh, good point |
| 04:44.49 | stew | user12: not having a localhost interface is odd, having an interface with 127.0.0.1/32 is od |
| 04:44.52 | stew | odd* |
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| 04:45.04 | stew | having broadcast addresses be 0.0.0.0 is odd |
| 04:45.52 | stew | not having a gateway is odd |
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| 04:46.23 | user12 | yes i have talked to them. i think they told me lenny comes like this only!!! |
| 04:46.26 | nvz | sounds like someone needs to go back to school |
| 04:46.48 | nsadmin | like Rodney Dangerfield |
| 04:46.58 | stew | tripple lindy |
| 04:47.02 | user12 | is there any debian certification on network? i am sandwiched between redhat and debian |
| 04:47.18 | stew | what does "certification on network" mean? |
| 04:47.18 | nvz | haha |
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| 04:47.28 | nsadmin | user12, that is at least false and at most a lie they're telling you |
| 04:47.32 | user12 | stew: something like CCNA |
| 04:47.38 | stew | no |
| 04:48.37 | user12 | ok i will put up these questions to them. also point me a good site to learn about network setup. |
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| 04:48.48 | nsadmin | user12, when you say "sandwiched" do you mean there are redhats and debians that you have to deal with? |
| 04:50.09 | kramotaq | user12, in lpic exam, you will find basic network troubleshooting and simplest of network installations |
| 04:50.17 | kramotaq | also in redhat cert exams |
| 04:50.55 | user12 | nsadmin: like we have sysconfig in redhat which is not there in debian |
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| 04:52.06 | stew | user12: yes, we don't have something like that in debian. the installer would set you up with a "lo" interface in /etc/network/interfaces, and usually with another interface used to connect to the internet |
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| 04:52.25 | stew | user12: from there you configure by hand or install something that manages this dynamically for you |
| 04:52.30 | [1]user12 | sorry n/w got cut |
| 04:52.34 | [1]user12 | did i miss something |
| 04:53.05 | stew | ugh |
| 04:53.59 | rhenani | jair: ?? |
| 04:54.21 | rhenani | jair: are you there brother |
| 04:54.36 | [1]user12 | stew: can you paste those which you typed and pm me |
| 04:55.10 | [1]user12 | have a notorious 3g connection which gets cut at crucial staged |
| 04:55.20 | kramotaq | stew: user12: yes, we don't have something like that in debian. the installer would set you up with a "lo" interface in /etc/network/interfaces, and usually with another interface used to connect to the internet |
| 04:55.27 | kramotaq | help stew :) |
| 04:56.36 | user12 | tx kramotaq. but how do i check for firewalls on lenny |
| 04:57.06 | user12 | and which port is required for ping replies? |
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| 04:57.21 | nsadmin | CTCP doesn't have ports |
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| 04:57.34 | jmarsden | nsadmin: nor does ICMP :) |
| 04:57.44 | nsadmin | right, wrong acronym |
| 04:57.45 | kramotaq | icmp just hv type |
| 04:58.03 | user12 | this has been a block since even nginx is not able to find the apache at 127.0.0.1:8080 which returns upstream timeout. |
| 04:58.18 | kramotaq | iptables -vnL |
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| 04:58.56 | nsadmin | user12, 127.0.0.1 is -never- anything except the machine you're on |
| 04:59.15 | stew | 127.0.0.1 is something different on his machine |
| 04:59.37 | stew | well, its the machine he is on, i suppose, but configured much differently |
| 04:59.52 | stew | user12: "iptables-save" to see your firewall rules |
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| 05:00.39 | nsadmin | that would constitute a custom setup which better be documented or me may be screwed (unfortunately) |
| 05:00.56 | nsadmin | s/me may/he may/ |
| 05:01.42 | kramotaq | imagine someday we only use ::1 instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:02.11 | user12 | stew/nsadmin http://pastebin.com/dcnFD7aC |
| 05:02.26 | user12 | my iptables-save : is there any block? |
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| 05:04.11 | stew | wtf kind of rules are those? without -j, they do nothing? |
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| 05:04.36 | stew | user12: no, there is no block from firewall |
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| 05:05.14 | stew | user12: if you are having trouble with 127.0.0.1, i would certainly first wonder why you don't have a loopback interface (which is typically 127.0.0.0/8) |
| 05:05.37 | kramotaq | stew: i think line beyond line 15 is -j that accept the sport |
| 05:06.00 | stew | kramotaq: is -j ACCEPT a default? |
| 05:06.09 | EmleyMoor | In nautilus, is there a way to specify that a device node name should be passed to a "custom command"? |
| 05:06.13 | EmleyMoor | Also, one of my DVD drives is closing on its own when ejected - it's definitely doing this because of something in Debian... how do I find out why and stop it? |
| 05:06.41 | kramotaq | yep :) |
| 05:06.52 | stew | "If this option is omitted in a rule (and -g is not used), then matching the rule will have no effect on the packet's fate" |
| 05:07.14 | stew | kramotaq: so no, its not a -j ACCEPT, its just thereto increment counters |
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| 05:07.31 | stew | (but the chain is -P ACCEPT anyway) |
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| 05:07.56 | kramotaq | oh ok |
| 05:07.57 | nsadmin | firewalls don't go on machines you use for other things, especially servers. it's not a good idea, as is use of 127.* for anything but localhost/localnet. What you're presenting is a totally custom and nonstandard setup, and you're asking for it to be unraveled for you without compensation and without thinking about normal traffic |
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| 05:08.34 | nsadmin | if stew does this for you, you at minimum owe him a case of beer |
| 05:08.43 | kramotaq | user12, maybe u should look up at /etc/hosts |
| 05:08.51 | kramotaq | localhost is missing |
| 05:08.54 | kramotaq | perhaps |
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| 05:09.11 | stew | nsadmin: if I had a way to collect all the beers i've been promised over irc, i'd be drunk until i die :) |
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| 05:09.29 | nsadmin | no question about that |
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| 05:09.49 | nsadmin | well if you actually drank the beers |
| 05:09.52 | stew | (debian would by default set $HOSTNAME to 127.0.1.1 which is not routable on his machine afaict) |
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| 05:10.07 | stew | nsadmin: I assume you I would drink the beers |
| 05:10.21 | stew | ^assume^assure |
| 05:10.26 | nsadmin | I assure you I would assume me! |
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| 05:11.31 | nsadmin | at least he's not being hostile at all |
| 05:12.34 | stew | for a service on 127.0.0.1, i'd actually still expect that to be working. but who knows. |
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| 05:12.49 | kramotaq | i believe user12 now timeout |
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| 05:13.41 | nsadmin | yep |
| 05:13.41 | kramotaq | nah! |
| 05:13.49 | kramotaq | got the star |
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| 05:15.21 | nsadmin | stew: is there any reason to set things up this way? |
| 05:15.31 | nsadmin | any good reason |
| 05:15.36 | stew | no idea |
| 05:15.48 | nsadmin | so, you're saying, could be |
| 05:16.30 | stew | i'm not familiar with every vm environment. i only really ever use KVM. |
| 05:16.54 | stew | however, I can't imagine why you: 1) wouldn't have a default gateway 2) would use 0.0.0.0 as broadcast 3) wouldn't have lo |
| 05:17.18 | stew | 4) would configure ANY interface as 127.0.0.1/32 instead of /8 |
| 05:18.02 | nsadmin | same here |
| 05:18.18 | stew | "vmnet" probably indicates that he is running under some weird VM environment, who knows what "magic" is being performed there |
| 05:18.52 | stew | i would certainly be curious about "ping -b 0.0.0.0" :) |
| 05:19.37 | nsadmin | right, and it's very unfortunate for him to have to decypher everything |
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| 05:21.57 | stew | that reminds me that I've been wanting to file a wishlist bug against ifupdown to take "broadcast" and "network" out of the example configs |
| 05:22.18 | nsadmin | isn't ifupdown deprecated? |
| 05:22.40 | stew | certainly not |
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| 05:22.46 | nsadmin | doesn't know the present situation w/sid/wh/squeezy |
| 05:22.48 | stew | Priority: important |
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| 05:23.59 | nsadmin | ipmasq is still gone, right? |
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| 05:24.54 | somiaj | I thought ipmasq was on its way out back in the 2.4 kernels which had iptables support. |
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| 05:25.14 | stew | nsadmin: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ipmasq/news/20090725T142409Z.html |
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| 05:25.23 | djahandarie | Just updated my kernel to the latest on wheezy. Now nothing at all happens past the grub screen. I have encrypted drives, it would normally be asking for a password. Any ideas? |
| 05:27.17 | jpinx | I need to do the equivalent of dd for a downloaded install image to a USB device so it is bootable. What tools can do that in XP ? The sugestins in the install manual are not helpful |
| 05:28.28 | nsadmin | is that all there is? I saw his original message |
| 05:29.03 | nsadmin | "I don't use it so get rid of it since it would be so much work to maintain" |
| 05:29.21 | djahandarie | Loading into my old kernel seems to work fine still. |
| 05:30.06 | nsadmin | djahandarie, if it works fine why change |
| 05:30.08 | jpinx | They suggest the "Image Writer for Microsoft Windows" which in turn needs 1. MinGW 2. Qt for Windows SDK |
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| 05:31.09 | djahandarie | nsadmin, you could ask the same of the Linux kernel developers. I trust their judgement better than my own. |
| 05:31.47 | nsadmin | djahandarie, does the old kernel prevent you from using anything on your computer |
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| 05:32.21 | nsadmin | if "no", you should consider the wisdom of changing to something it's going to take work to get working |
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| 05:32.34 | djahandarie | I am not opposed to work. |
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| 05:33.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpinx: perhaps fusbi? |
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| 05:34.32 | nsadmin | ok, so: examine the complete diff of the source of the kernel that works to the kernel you're trying to upgrade to, and from that and the source, determine and fix the problems |
| 05:35.10 | djahandarie | Wouldn't the better route to be to contact more knowledgable people, discuss, and then file a bug report? |
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| 05:35.22 | nsadmin | you going to pay them? |
| 05:35.55 | djahandarie | No. |
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| 05:36.12 | nsadmin | is it your purpose to use the system you have? |
| 05:36.33 | djahandarie | Huh? |
| 05:36.37 | rhenani | Jair: brother are you there? |
| 05:36.44 | rhenani | andinson: are you there? |
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| 05:38.54 | jpinx | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, now how to rename a .iso to .img in XP ? |
| 05:39.11 | olafkewl | jpinx: F2 ? |
| 05:39.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpinx: no idea; (f)usbi use isos |
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| 05:41.10 | jpinx | olafkewl: debian-6.0.1a-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1 can be changed with F2, but not the suffix |
| 05:42.17 | jpinx | Kamping_Kaiser: googling fusbi now,, thanks :) |
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| 05:42.45 | nsadmin | djahandarie, or is it your purpose to test? |
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| 05:43.28 | olafkewl | jpinx: go to display options and untick the "hide extensions of known files" box |
| 05:43.32 | nsadmin | if both, then you should probably have two separate machines so you can use one to work and the other to be broken |
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| 05:45.08 | jpinx | Kamping_Kaiser: " |
| 05:45.16 | jpinx | FUSBi hasn't been updated for a few years now, and its free distro list is obsolete." |
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| 05:46.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | jpinx: not a problem if you just use it to image an iso you have lying around (but disclaimer: i haven't dealt with doze for some time, memory may be fading :/) |
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| 05:46.44 | somiaj | jpinx: the suffice shouldn't matter, but you can turn on off the 'hide extensions' part and then rename it |
| 05:47.16 | jpinx | olafkewl: somiaj my XP home edition doesn't seem to have tht option :( |
| 05:48.53 | somiaj | jpinx: use the move command from cmd? |
| 05:48.59 | somiaj | or copy |
| 05:49.19 | somiaj | but the suffice shouldn't matter for any decent software to burn an image |
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| 05:52.40 | olafkewl | jpinx: http://www.fileinfo.com/help/windows-show-extensions.html |
| 05:52.52 | jpinx | somiaj: cl in XP ? Eeek! |
| 05:53.57 | _archer_ | sorry |
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| 05:54.17 | _archer_ | i downloaded thunderbird source compile packages, but don't know what to do |
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| 05:55.06 | olafkewl | _archer_: you might want to run or install it ? |
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| 05:55.22 | MrFrood | debian source package or just the source? |
| 05:55.30 | _archer_ | just the source |
| 05:55.41 | somiaj | _archer_: don't they come with a README or INSTALL that describes what you need to do? -- and where did you download the 'source compiled packages?' |
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| 05:55.45 | olafkewl | what do you want to do with it ? |
| 05:55.53 | olafkewl | do you want to install it ? |
| 05:55.54 | MrFrood | can I just ask why? |
| 05:56.06 | olafkewl | it's very often ./configure && make && make install |
| 05:56.20 | somiaj | _archer_: provided you have the build-deps, ./configure -- what olafkewl said will isntall many things in /usr/local/ |
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| 05:56.47 | MrFrood | but why? |
| 05:57.02 | _archer_ | source from mozilla ftp. compile packages from debian |
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| 05:57.39 | _archer_ | is this correct ? http://compile-thunderbird-debian.blogspot.com/ |
| 05:57.40 | stew | _archer_: you should be asking in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, not here |
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| 05:57.55 | somiaj | _archer_: why? The version in sid/wheezy is the debian unbraded version is just fine -- if your running stable look into making a backport |
| 05:58.09 | MrFrood | _archer_: I'm not adverse to compiling when needed but why TB? |
| 05:58.24 | stew | (he's not running debian) |
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| 06:08.22 | somiaj | _archer_: please don't message me. If your running debian what version? If your not running debian go see how your distro wants you to deal with your issue. |
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| 06:28.47 | Pinchiukas | I don't see a configtest option for /etc/init.d/bind9, how do I test it? |
| 06:29.37 | nsadmin | for what |
| 06:29.50 | Pinchiukas | For errors. |
| 06:30.07 | nsadmin | try starting it and look at the logs |
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| 06:30.14 | Pinchiukas | It's started. |
| 06:30.21 | nsadmin | is it working? |
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| 06:30.29 | Pinchiukas | Well... yes. |
| 06:30.34 | nsadmin | logs say anything unusual? |
| 06:30.39 | Pinchiukas | No. |
| 06:30.46 | nsadmin | what else? |
| 06:30.47 | Pinchiukas | I modified a zone file and want to check it. |
| 06:31.07 | nsadmin | which one? |
| 06:31.21 | Pinchiukas | Do I have to tell you the domain? |
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| 06:31.52 | nsadmin | no |
| 06:31.54 | Renekton | hi all |
| 06:32.22 | nsadmin | when you say "modified" you mean added? |
| 06:32.57 | Renekton | I need to use Clonezilla in command line, where can I find the complete guide of command line for cloning in clonezilla? |
| 06:33.36 | nsadmin | when you install bind9 it doesn't include zone files for external domains, you'd have to add them |
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| 06:34.20 | nsadmin | so if you actually did modify, there must be a history |
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| 06:35.29 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 06:38.35 | Tekk_` | is there any way I can see what's using alsa? |
| 06:38.46 | Tekk_` | I have some program not playing nice and keeping firefox from using html5 audio |
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| 06:40.13 | blackshirt | hello |
| 06:40.30 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 06:40.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:41.05 | nsadmin | ("hello" implies you might prefer a social environment which this is not) |
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| 06:41.17 | Mortvert | Hello. |
| 06:41.25 | Tekk_` | oh yeah, running wheezy and can't figure out how to see what may be hogging up alsa, any way to check? |
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| 06:41.39 | Mortvert | Does any of you know how i can compile a software and then package all the compiled files into one .tar.gz? |
| 06:41.47 | Mortvert | so i could deploy it on another machine? |
| 06:42.24 | Tekk_` | Mortvert: make normally except in your ./configure do DESTDIR=/some/local/dir |
| 06:42.31 | blackshirt | okey... i have problem with my debian squeeze, i have successfully install compiz on my pc, but when i would running compiz, with compiz-fusion-icon, system always bring me to logout ?? can anyone help me ? |
| 06:42.58 | Mortvert | Tekk_`, so like ./configure DESTDIR=/stuff/goes/here? |
| 06:43.01 | user12 | nsadmin: u there? again a huge n/w failure |
| 06:43.05 | Tekk_` | Mortvert: yes |
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| 06:43.13 | Mortvert | Tekk_`, K, thanks a lot. |
| 06:44.56 | nsadmin | user12, you have a customized thing, and it's so convoluted I'm not looking forward to looking at any of it |
| 06:45.07 | Posterdati | what does it mean? From Jun 15 03:56:32 on http://pastebin.com/dGLDi7s1 |
| 06:45.52 | blackshirt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:47.34 | pishguy | all. hi, how to change debian name from kernel |
| 06:48.09 | streuner_ | Why would somebody need this at all? :-) |
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| 06:50.35 | Sn0w_thc | hello? |
| 06:50.51 | streuner | !ask |
| 06:50.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:55.22 | pishguy | streuner: for release new distro |
| 06:56.01 | streuner | we already have plenty of distros... |
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| 06:57.17 | streuner | pishguy: you have to compile the kernel itself... |
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| 07:00.44 | streuner | pishguy: but please check out #kernelnewbies (OFTC) in order to make your own kernel for your distro. |
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| 07:06.51 | Daniel11 | Hi all. I've a problem with pureftpd |
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| 07:08.13 | Daniel11 | When I try to connect from another machine (or even from the localhost) to the box where pureftpd is running, I get the message: Connected to 10.1.2.3. ...and then, a few seconds later... 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
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| 07:09.06 | Daniel11 | pureftpd sends a FIN. I use the standard config files. |
| 07:09.25 | pishguy | streuner: i could'nt find how to change name of kernel in #kernelnewbies & http://kernelnewbies.org |
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| 07:16.44 | jelly-home | pishguy: change name of kernel? Which command gives you this name and why do you want to change it? |
| 07:17.31 | streuner | <pishguy> streuner: for release new distro |
| 07:18.42 | pishguy | jelly-home: can you help me ? |
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| 07:19.02 | ragnar76 | good morning |
| 07:19.13 | jelly-home | pishguy: maybe, if you answer the questions. |
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| 07:19.27 | ragnar76 | how can i disable some gvfs backends like gphoto2? |
| 07:19.51 | pishguy | jelly-home: change name for create new distro from debian |
| 07:19.56 | jmarsden_ | jelly-home: uname -v has the string "debian" in it. To change it, you would recompile the kernel. |
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| 07:20.22 | jelly-home | pishguy: for a start I don't understand what "change name of kernel" means exactly. |
| 07:20.26 | pishguy | jelly-home: change debian from kernel for recompile that |
| 07:20.36 | jelly-home | pishguy: what's your native language? |
| 07:20.44 | streuner | !ir |
| 07:20.44 | dpkg | IrDA is an infrared wireless communication standard. To use on Debian systems: enable infrared in BIOS (if built-in), "aptitude install irda-utils" (its init script starts irattach by default), enable infrared on the other device, "cat /proc/net/irda/discovery" / irdadump to test. To provide /dev/ircomm* devices, "modprobe ircomm-tty". See also irda-utils' README.Debian. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/ Not for CIR, see <lirc>. |
| 07:20.47 | streuner | argh |
| 07:20.56 | pishguy | jelly-home: persion fa_ir |
| 07:21.12 | streuner | persian? |
| 07:21.30 | streuner | i doubt we have a channel for that language |
| 07:22.32 | pishguy | streuner: yes, persian. yes we have but anybody could'nt help me |
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| 07:22.54 | jelly-home | jmarsden: typo? -v gives a timestamp here |
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| 07:23.09 | streuner | #debian-ir 7 Iranian Debian users channel :: http://debian.org :: paste >= 5 lines in http://paste.debian.net :: Latest release: Squeeze (6.0) - http://debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes :: Happy new Debian release, Debian fans! :: Debian Squeeze release party http://goo.gl/3uNN5 |
| 07:23.11 | streuner | hm |
| 07:23.18 | jelly-home | Nothing in uname -a says "debian" here |
| 07:23.44 | streuner | pishguy: so which command do you use, if its not uname? |
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| 07:24.21 | jelly-home | pishguy: where did you read "debian" as "name of kernel" |
| 07:24.25 | blackshirt | i have problem with compiz on debian squeeze.. |
| 07:24.30 | jelly-home | maybe it's just the default hostname |
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| 07:25.04 | pishguy | streuner: yes, uname -r -a |
| 07:25.04 | pishguy | Linux alachiq-XPS-L501X 2.6.35.13-alachiq #2 SMP Wed Jun 15 08:01:31 IRDT 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:25.38 | streuner | pishguy: cat /proc/version ? |
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| 07:26.25 | pishguy | jelly-home:Linux version 2.6.35.13-alachiq (root@alachiq-XPS-L501X) (gcc version 4.4.5 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-14ubuntu5) ) #2 SMP Wed Jun 15 08:01:31 IRDT 2011 |
| 07:26.52 | jelly-home | pishguy: where does that uname -r -a say Debian? |
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| 07:27.35 | pishguy | jelly-home: its ubuntu kernel . i want to change it with debian |
| 07:27.49 | jelly-home | pishguy: use Debian, then |
| 07:27.53 | pishguy | jelly-home: and show in uname -r |
| 07:28.12 | pishguy | jelly-home: my problem is change its from kernel |
| 07:28.18 | jelly-home | pishguy: Debian's kernel do not show "debian" in uname -r |
| 07:29.05 | streuner | amset:/tmp# uname -r |
| 07:29.05 | streuner | 2.6.39-1-686-pae |
| 07:29.16 | jelly-home | 2.6.32-5-amd64 <- that's typical output of uname -r in Debian |
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| 07:30.37 | pishguy | jelly-home: then how to set in it ? |
| 07:30.50 | jelly-home | pishguy: how to set WHAT?!? |
| 07:31.04 | pishguy | jelly-home: own name |
| 07:31.05 | jmarsden | pishguy: set EXTRAVERSION in the kernel Makefile, I think? |
| 07:31.17 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 07:31.26 | Agiofws | can someone tell me what the problem is here |
| 07:31.28 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/eP6jwPiI ? |
| 07:31.50 | pishguy | jmarsden: try it. it's not |
| 07:32.14 | streuner | /usr/local/include/libavutil/pixdesc.h |
| 07:32.14 | pishguy | jmarsden: in .config file ? |
| 07:32.24 | jelly-home | pishguy: please show an example of what you'd like uname -r to show. |
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| 07:32.47 | jmarsden | Agiofws: Looks like you have two packages that both want to install a file to the same place. |
| 07:33.12 | Agiofws | how do i fix this ? |
| 07:33.32 | Agiofws | apt-get remove ffmpeg ? |
| 07:33.59 | jelly-home | Agiofws: your custom packages are broken. Either get that file out of one of them, or use dpkg's --force-overwrite option when installing |
| 07:34.01 | blackshirt | apt-get -f install |
| 07:34.52 | Agiofws | i'm using checkinstall |
| 07:34.59 | Agiofws | checkinstall --pkgname=ffmpeg --pkgversion "4:0.5+svn`date +%Y%m%d`" --backup=no --default |
| 07:35.26 | rypervenche | Is it possible to use a two character delimiter in awk? |
| 07:35.33 | streuner | Agiofws: why not just using the version of dmm? |
| 07:35.38 | Agiofws | ? |
| 07:35.48 | jelly-home | Agiofws: yeah, checkinstall often doesn't do everything it's needed |
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| 07:36.03 | streuner | judd, versions ffmpeg |
| 07:36.04 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.2-3; wheezy: 4:0.6.2-3; experimental: 4:0.7~rc1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.6.2-0.4; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6.3+git20110613-0.0 |
| 07:36.06 | jelly-home | !tell Agiofws about dmm |
| 07:36.17 | Agiofws | 1 using squeeze |
| 07:36.26 | Agiofws | 2) wont compile with blender |
| 07:36.36 | Agiofws | i need an svn version |
| 07:36.37 | nsadmin | compile? |
| 07:37.00 | Agiofws | blender will not compile with apt-gets ffmpeg |
| 07:37.06 | jelly-home | Agiofws: I'd the backport procedure starting with dmm sid ("sid-multimedia" above) sources |
| 07:37.20 | jelly-home | use* the backport procedure |
| 07:37.25 | Agiofws | i'm following this guide |
| 07:37.31 | Agiofws | http://www.adminsehow.com/2009/07/how-to-install-ffmpeg-on-debian-lenny-from-svn/ |
| 07:37.31 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 07:37.31 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
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| 07:37.40 | jelly-home | Agiofws: this is not lenny. |
| 07:37.59 | jelly-home | that tutorial is two years old |
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| 07:38.08 | nsadmin | well you probably have to set up a dir in somewhere like your home dir and build the things you need there |
| 07:38.20 | academy | Can I use e2label to change the label of a mounted fs? |
| 07:38.22 | Agiofws | how do i unsinstall the version thats blocking my current version of ffmpeg (trying to install) ? |
| 07:38.30 | jelly-home | academy: yes, without issues. |
| 07:38.37 | ragnar76 | is it possible to disable some gvfs backends like gphoto2 without deleting them from /usr/lib/gvfs or purging the gvfs-backends package? |
| 07:38.42 | academy | jelly-home: excallent - thanks |
| 07:38.48 | academy | *excellent |
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| 07:40.28 | streuner | Agiofws: libavutil-dev should be the package, not sure |
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| 07:41.07 | jelly-home | Agiofws: the error message told you which package is blocking it, just remove that package |
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| 07:41.56 | streuner | Agiofws: dpkg -S /usr/local/include/libavutil/pixdesc.h |
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| 07:43.03 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/mf49xmoD |
| 07:43.06 | Agiofws | now i get that |
| 07:43.28 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# dpkg -S /usr/local/include/libavutil/pixdesc.h |
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| 07:43.33 | Agiofws | libvpx: /usr/local/include/libavutil/pixdesc.h |
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| 07:45.05 | jelly-home | Agiofws: yay! Now read your first pastebin carefully, you'll see dpkg told you "libvpx" was at fault there as well |
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| 07:46.56 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.56 | dpkg | ii libvpx 2.7-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 07:53.50 | rypervenche | Is it possible to use a two-character delimiter in awk? |
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| 07:54.57 | nsadmin | show desired context |
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| 07:55.19 | nsadmin | or better, what exactly are you trying to accomplish |
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| 07:58.51 | ragnar76 | when i remove wpa supplicant my network does not work anymore. i'm not using wlan, my computer is connected over a kabel to the router. why is that so? |
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| 08:02.30 | Multiply | Is there a way to make a process use eth0 and not eth0:1? Not for listening, but sending packets |
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| 08:04.13 | nsadmin | your networking is set up in the kernel, and everything uses it |
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| 08:04.54 | Multiply | Why does it use eth0:1 over eth0, tho? |
| 08:05.32 | ectospasm | Multiply: eth0:1 is an alias, IIRC |
| 08:05.47 | nsadmin | because you set it up that way? |
| 08:06.14 | Multiply | nsadmin, it was setup to use eth0, and I simply added 4 more IPs. :P |
| 08:06.44 | lapsusbrutus | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ Nice, this was new to me.. Thanks guys!! |
| 08:06.52 | nsadmin | so you just answered your own question |
| 08:07.17 | Multiply | nsadmin, I didn't get the problem resolved, no. |
| 08:07.51 | Multiply | I have no clue why the process opens connections from eth0:1 over eth0 when eth0 is listed first in my interfaces. If you would use the last entry, it should use eth0:3 |
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| 08:08.07 | nsadmin | look at your routing table |
| 08:09.21 | Multiply | Only eth0 seems mentioned. |
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| 08:10.16 | nsadmin | one question that comes up, is why are you trying to use additional IPs? what are their purpose |
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| 08:11.57 | Multiply | 2 RDNS' are setup - X.com is 1.2.3.4, Y.com is 1.2.3.5 - X.com sends from 1.2.3.5 and is rejected. I need to ensure it sends from the correct IP. |
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| 08:13.49 | nsadmin | why are you doing this? it seems convoluted. are all the ips routed to your machine along the same wire? |
| 08:13.55 | SlayerXP_ | Multiply: I think you're going to need to be a lot less vague about what exactly it is you are trying to achieve and why. |
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| 08:14.55 | Multiply | nsadmin, all thru the same wire. |
| 08:15.53 | nsadmin | ok, what do you expect to accomplish by using different IPs? |
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| 08:17.15 | Multiply | The host I'm connecting to checks which IP the client is connecting from, and performs a rdns lookup, and then verifies the domain that's sent from the client to the host, if it's correct. |
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| 08:18.12 | nsadmin | the client program is running on your machine, and is connecting to a server which checks the originating IP? |
| 08:18.14 | nsadmin | ? |
| 08:18.19 | Multiply | Yup. |
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| 08:18.47 | vanguard | how can I install nvidia drivers for 9500 GT? Is there some package in some repo I can install? |
| 08:19.38 | nsadmin | so what you want to do is control which IP is used to contact the server |
| 08:19.56 | Multiply | Exactly. |
| 08:20.12 | Bushmills | !nvidia |
| 08:20.12 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:20.30 | sphenxes | I have encrypted my hard disk using luks. It works fine but it asks for root password. Is it possible to change the owner from root to user. I don't like to tip admin password every time i mount my hard disk. (Debian/squeeze) |
| 08:20.51 | vanguard | Bushmills: thanks! |
| 08:21.13 | vanguard | sphenxes: I guess that is something for the fstab |
| 08:21.57 | sphenxes | vanguard, thanks, i will take a look at it |
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| 08:22.52 | pecenipicek | hello all, i've got a bizzare problem here. i need to compile a package, and ./configure spits out the following: "configure: error: cannot run /bin/bash ./config.sub" |
| 08:23.00 | pecenipicek | and its leaving me very confused. |
| 08:23.39 | nsadmin | so, I don't understand enough about networking to know how that would be done in terms of automatic routing. The choices I would be looking at, are manually reconfiguring the ip of the whole machine... two related choices include having separate machines per IP, or having some kind of virtualization where the virtual guests each have a separate IP |
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| 08:24.24 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: the file config.sub is missing |
| 08:24.38 | pecenipicek | no it isnt, thats the whole point why i'm stumped. |
| 08:24.58 | pecenipicek | the file has read permissions |
| 08:24.58 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: and bash is installed too? |
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| 08:25.13 | pecenipicek | why wouldnt it be? |
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| 08:25.56 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: afaik debian uses dash |
| 08:25.56 | Multiply | nsadmin, damnit. I assumed it wouldn't be all too simple. I guess we'll have to setup multiple machines, for this then. |
| 08:26.10 | pecenipicek | its installed alright. |
| 08:26.17 | nsadmin | bash is not the default posix shell any more (I don't think, anyway) |
| 08:26.59 | vanguard | how do I find out which shell I am using? |
| 08:27.10 | nsadmin | echo $SHELL |
| 08:27.32 | nsadmin | into the shell you want to find out |
| 08:27.33 | vanguard | nsadmin: thanks, I am running bash as standard (Ubuntu though) |
| 08:27.36 | pecenipicek | /bin/bash it outputs here |
| 08:27.55 | nsadmin | so, that's a bash |
| 08:28.10 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: what are you trying to build? |
| 08:28.26 | pecenipicek | Asterisk 1.8 exported from a SVN dir. |
| 08:29.03 | pecenipicek | no, using pre-built is not an option unfortunately. |
| 08:29.07 | vanguard | I just talked with dpkg about "why {,not} aptitude" -- so today, aptitude is for people who like a curses interface (KPackageKit is slow …) but the functionality (especially autoremove!) is the same? |
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| 08:30.38 | o0o0 | hi |
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| 08:31.25 | o0o0 | corey@analy:~$ socket -s 1234 -p "socket irc.freenode.net 6667" |
| 08:31.25 | o0o0 | socket: server socket: Address already in use |
| 08:32.13 | o0o0 | anyone know how to fix that w/o rebooting? ;[ |
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| 08:33.35 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: give me a minute, i'll have a look here |
| 08:33.42 | pecenipicek | roger. |
| 08:34.12 | pecenipicek | note, this happens with stuff from the repo from which i'm pulling, as well as from the asterisk 1.8 trunk repo. |
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| 08:35.52 | nsadmin | vanguard, just so you know, while there may be folks around that understand both debian and ubuntu well, you'll get better support for debian here, and ubuntu on #ubuntu... if you were unaware of that, consider it an additional source of info |
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| 08:36.29 | rajkosto | i have a 32bit debian 6 server |
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| 08:36.33 | rajkosto | i'd like to migrate it to another one |
| 08:36.42 | rajkosto | and cancel the first one |
| 08:36.45 | rajkosto | can i just |
| 08:36.47 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: configure runs fine here |
| 08:36.51 | rajkosto | tar everything and then extract ? |
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| 08:37.25 | pecenipicek | x86_64 on your end or x86? |
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| 08:37.39 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: x64 |
| 08:37.58 | pecenipicek | then i'm apparently missing something very basic -.- |
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| 08:37.59 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: try to bypass the SHELL : SHELL=/bin/bash ./configure |
| 08:38.26 | pecenipicek | same. |
| 08:39.12 | pecenipicek | note, for references sake, you used this repo to try? http://svn.asterisk.org/svn/asterisk/branches/1.8 |
| 08:39.14 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: you have the auto* tools installed? likel autoconfigure, automake ... |
| 08:39.37 | ragnar76 | sorry, autoconf |
| 08:39.42 | pecenipicek | yes. |
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| 08:40.05 | pecenipicek | i can compile the tarball that asterisk provides on their websites, its just that i cant compile the svn stuff... |
| 08:40.42 | nsadmin | does the configure script exist? |
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| 08:41.00 | pecenipicek | yus. |
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| 08:41.02 | nsadmin | even if it does, maybe you need to regenerate it |
| 08:41.19 | pecenipicek | via bootstrap.sh or? |
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| 08:42.10 | nsadmin | well using autoconf and friends, but there may be a script that has that in it |
| 08:42.13 | o0o0 | anyone? ;< |
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| 08:42.44 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: bootstrap looks good |
| 08:42.54 | pecenipicek | yeah, the bootstrap.sh script is doing that. aclocal, autoconf, autoheader,automake. |
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| 08:43.09 | pecenipicek | no change to the ./configur's running tho... |
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| 08:43.50 | Narcarsiss | is back Mwahaha |
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| 08:44.00 | Narcarsiss | wrong channel :) |
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| 08:47.50 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: even build runs fine here |
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| 08:50.00 | pecenipicek | i am at a total loss at why its failing on my end then -.- |
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| 08:51.56 | pecenipicek | hmm. actually, i think i know what might be behind all this. |
| 08:52.15 | pecenipicek | i was transferring the exported svn folder from windows to the debian box. |
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| 08:54.39 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: download it again |
| 08:54.57 | pecenipicek | and i'll be doing it on linux :p |
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| 08:58.18 | pecenipicek | ragnar76, it was exactly that. |
| 08:58.24 | pecenipicek | god i hate it when that happens. |
| 08:58.35 | ragnar76 | pecenipicek: fine |
| 08:58.50 | pecenipicek | so sorry for taking your time with something as stupid as this |
| 08:59.08 | ragnar76 | no problem |
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| 09:01.24 | Linuxnewb | Anyone care to help with a sound problem? I had it working before, but it stopped after a reboot. |
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| 09:01.46 | vtts | check volume |
| 09:02.04 | Linuxnewb | Via Alsamixer? No dice. Alsamixer doesn't work. |
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| 09:02.35 | vtts | any errors? |
| 09:02.48 | Linuxnewb | "cannot open mixer: no such device" Seems like Alsa can't find the sound card, but Debian lists it in lspci |
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| 09:03.08 | Linuxnewb | proc/asound/cards lists "No soundcards..." |
| 09:03.10 | vtts | are the drivers/modules loaded? |
| 09:03.22 | Linuxnewb | I do not know how to check that. |
| 09:03.34 | Linuxnewb | lsmod? |
| 09:03.39 | vtts | yes |
| 09:04.11 | Linuxnewb | What module should I look for? I see several snd* modules. |
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| 09:04.28 | vtts | depends on your sound card model |
| 09:04.49 | Linuxnewb | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 09:06.40 | Linuxnewb | The first time around, I just had to unmute with alsamixer to get the sound to work. Therefore, I don't know how to install the soundcard into ALSA or whatever else is needed |
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| 09:07.19 | vtts | unless you changed/(un)installed something, nothing should have changed on it's own |
| 09:07.42 | zealiod | Is there any way of getting rid of old dhcpd.leases entries? |
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| 09:08.44 | Linuxnewb | I know I didn't uninstall anything before the issue. I'm not sure if I changed anything I needed, because it was about a week between the initial alsamixer and the reboot, which is when it stopped working |
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| 09:09.10 | Linuxnewb | And I'd been trying a lot of programs since then |
| 09:09.56 | Linuxnewb | Is there a way to get Alsa to look for "new" soundcards? |
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| 09:11.58 | ragnar76 | Linuxnewb: you can try /usr/sbin/alsactl init |
| 09:12.23 | guard_ | while instaling debian, i was prompted by this error "kernel panic- not syncing: attempted to kill init" |
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| 09:13.29 | guard_ | can someone explain to me what could be the problem? |
| 09:13.40 | Linuxnewb | I can't seem to open that with the text editor. Is it something to run in terminal? |
| 09:14.54 | ragnar76 | Linuxnewb: yes |
| 09:15.08 | Linuxnewb | Okay, reading the --help now |
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| 09:17.22 | Linuxnewb | alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found... |
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| 09:18.53 | chipotle | how do i install php-fpm in the php5 default repo on debian6? |
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| 09:21.07 | Renekton | hello, ifI'll use "mdadm -create ..." will erase or modify hdds? |
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| 09:22.13 | ragnar76 | Linuxnewb: then i don't know. sorry |
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| 09:23.31 | Linuxnewb | Ragnar: It's alright. I'm sure I'll figure something out. Even if I have to format the install and re-do it. |
| 09:24.29 | ragnar76 | Linuxnewb: you can still ask in #alsa or wait here. someone will know an answer |
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| 09:25.27 | Linuxnewb | I'll try #alsa |
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| 09:32.21 | Renekton | mdadm --create will modify disks or just create raid w/out modify? |
| 09:33.44 | jelly | depends on what type of array you create and how you do it |
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| 09:34.10 | An_Ony_Moose | I'm having a problem with GLX. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/408031/ I can't find any errors about GLX or nvidia in Xorg.0.log. I'm using the proprietary nvidia drivers, and the kernel module is loaded. |
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| 09:37.23 | ectospasm | An_Ony_Moose: what's the problem you're having with GLX? You haven't stated that yet. |
| 09:37.53 | An_Ony_Moose | ectospasm: no programs that use OpenGL seem to work correctly, see the paste |
| 09:38.18 | ectospasm | hmmm, I dunno |
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| 09:43.44 | ebzzry_ | What file of gdm3 should I edit to disable auto-logins? |
| 09:44.05 | jelly | An_Ony_Moose: which debian release? |
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| 09:44.41 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly: sid |
| 09:45.00 | jelly | "file a bug report" |
| 09:45.31 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly: I'm pretty sure it's because the package I have installed for the nvidia kernel drivers does not correspond to the kernel image version. |
| 09:45.37 | Renekton | jelly: I need to do raid1 from existing 2 disks in raid1 made with software raid by intel |
| 09:45.51 | Renekton | and don't want do lose anything |
| 09:45.51 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly: but booting the older kernel, which matches the driver's version, doesn't even start the X server. |
| 09:46.10 | vanguard | is testing stable enough for use on a desktop? I think KDE 4.4 and Python 2.6 is a little old but I do not want to go bleeding edge with sid … |
| 09:46.19 | Linuxnewb | I might have made progress with my sound issue |
| 09:46.33 | Linuxnewb | modprobe snd_hda_intel seems to have caused less errors to pop up |
| 09:46.48 | Linuxnewb | Alsamixer now runs |
| 09:47.38 | Linuxnewb | But still no sound |
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| 09:49.50 | Renekton | linuxnewb: when I've configured alsa, have mute in defaults... check this |
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| 09:50.08 | vanguard | I would like to set up a cache/proxy for my debian/ubuntu packages. apt-proxy is the way to go? |
| 09:50.11 | Linuxnewb | Unmuted. Sound works! |
| 09:50.13 | ectospasm | vanguard: I don't run KDE, but I haven't had any major issues with wheezy |
| 09:50.41 | Linuxnewb | Heh, should have checked what you said before I ran through everything again |
| 09:51.02 | An_Ony_Moose | vanguard: that worked very well for me. I think yes. |
| 09:51.08 | Linuxnewb | So...What exactly did "modprobe snd_hda_intel" do? |
| 09:51.33 | vanguard | Linuxnewb: load the Intel HD Audio driver into the kernel |
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| 09:52.05 | Linuxnewb | Is that something that came with ALSA? And will I have to do this everytime I reboot? |
| 09:52.20 | Linuxnewb | (I imagine ALSA came with a ton of drivers.) |
| 09:52.38 | vanguard | Linuxnewb: I had two sound issues, and both were just volume set to zero. It may work from now on |
| 09:52.53 | vanguard | An_Ony_Moose: what happens if my cache server is not online? |
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| 09:53.30 | Linuxnewb | Well, I'm gonna keep that command handy. Thanks for the help, guys |
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| 09:53.58 | An_Ony_Moose | vanguard: well, it doesn't work. That's the disadvantage. |
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| 09:55.31 | vanguard | An_Ony_Moose: would you happen to know some way to make the clients dual, so that I can upgrade my netbook from home and also everywhere else? |
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| 09:56.39 | An_Ony_Moose | vanguard: as far as I know, you'd have to manually switch the source each time. |
| 09:56.48 | An_Ony_Moose | and I need to boot a proper kernel, so brb. |
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| 09:59.48 | vanguard | An_Ony_Moose: (if you wrote something, I did not get anything since my connection broke down {WLAN}) |
| 10:00.41 | anAngel | Hello, What does exactly the size of 500MB in this command mean? "lvcreate -L 500M -s -n snap1 -p r /dev/vg0/root" |
| 10:00.56 | An_Ony_Moose | vanguard: you have to switch the sources manually |
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| 10:01.18 | vanguard | An_Ony_Moose: if I use a simple proxy for apt, that would be one line that I would need to comment out. Sounds reasonable |
| 10:01.54 | An_Ony_Moose | vanguard: well, comment out one line and uncomment the other :P |
| 10:02.00 | An_Ony_Moose | vanguard: and yes, that is reasonable |
| 10:02.22 | vanguard | An_Ony_Moose: given that I save download times |
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| 10:02.42 | vanguard | the only thing that bugs me is that apt-cache is not in the ubuntu repos any more |
| 10:04.04 | An_Ony_Moose | vanguard: what do you mean? It's in the apt package |
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| 10:04.43 | vanguard | An_Ony_Moose: oh, it is intalled by default now or what? |
| 10:04.56 | vanguard | An_Ony_Moose: I mean included in every system that has apt |
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| 10:05.11 | An_Ony_Moose | vanguard: yes. |
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| 10:05.32 | An_Ony_Moose | vanguard: it's been like that for ages IIRC. |
| 10:05.34 | vanguard | An_Ony_Moose: oh, cool. on ubuntuusers.de it sounded like it does not exist in the ubuntuverse any more |
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| 10:06.34 | An_Ony_Moose | vanguard: I'm not sure about ubuntu, I use debian myself. But if you install apt-file, then as root do apt-file update, then you can apt-file search apt-cache to see which package gives you apt-cache :) |
| 10:06.40 | An_Ony_Moose | aaand I'm rebooting again, brb |
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| 10:07.14 | vanguard | An_Ony_Moose: so the config file is there, but probably deactivated or so? |
| 10:07.40 | dubphil | Hello ! I have nearly to identical systems that running squeeze and gettext for lamp 1 computer is a real one and the other is a vps at a hosting company, before upgrading to squeeze the translations processed by gettext where ok on both computers, but since I have upgraded the systems to squeeze, translations processed by gettext are no more taken in account by the vps stystem, any idea what have change from Lenny to squeeze regarding gettext ? |
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| 10:08.20 | dubphil | and the vps systems ? |
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| 10:08.36 | An_Ony_Moose | yay it's working. |
| 10:08.50 | An_Ony_Moose | EVEN GLX WORKS :D |
| 10:08.56 | An_Ony_Moose | switching to nouveau did the trick |
| 10:09.14 | ragnar76 | anyone knows a gui driven ( gnome ) equalizer for alsa? |
| 10:09.33 | An_Ony_Moose | ragnar76: gnome-volume-control |
| 10:09.57 | An_Ony_Moose | ragnar76: in the package gnome-media |
| 10:10.38 | ectospasm | ragnar76: gnome-volume-control(-applet)? |
| 10:10.44 | dubphil | ragnar76: for what purpose ? do your sound card driver provides this functionnality ? |
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| 10:11.17 | ragnar76 | dubphil: i'd like to level up the hights from audio |
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| 10:12.17 | ragnar76 | with the gnome-volume-control i can only set the volume |
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| 10:12.22 | dubphil | ragnar76 if your card driver doesn't manage this you must do this in your muiltimedia player or use jack and a plugin |
| 10:12.55 | dubphil | ragnar76: vlc have one |
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| 10:13.51 | ragnar76 | dubphil: my card should have it. it's an old sb live 5.1 |
| 10:14.08 | sysspoof | hey! Anyone knows of an issue with slapd and olc config where a user cant bind - even if the credentials are correct? |
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| 10:14.43 | dubphil | in gnome-volume-control then you should have advanced options to manage this |
| 10:15.02 | dubphil | if not the linux driver doesn't support this |
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| 10:16.27 | ragnar76 | dubphil: i'll will play around |
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| 10:20.54 | anAngel | Hello, "hdparm -t" on one of my hard drives shows really slow poerformance of 4-5 mb/s. Any way to improve it? The other one in hte system measures 30-40mb/s in comparison. both are ata 100 with 80pin cables |
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| 10:21.48 | An_Ony_Moose | BLARGH! Stupid nvidia! |
| 10:22.10 | systemclient | is apt-proxy dead? it is not in the Ubuntu Natty nor the Stable repos … which deb-package-proxy does one use now? |
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| 10:25.51 | blackshirt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.16 | systemclient | blackshirt: please skip the metaquestions -- what is your problem |
| 10:26.36 | An_Ony_Moose | blackshirt: what IS the problem? |
| 10:27.18 | blackshirt | when I running compiz-fusion-icon, system will bring me log out... |
| 10:27.30 | blackshirt | I don't know why |
| 10:28.59 | blackshirt | systemclient, An_Ony_Moose any clue ? |
| 10:29.00 | zykes- | is there any explanation on preseed partitioning stuff ? |
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| 10:32.41 | Caribou| | hello |
| 10:33.45 | Caribou| | i already asked yesterday but i had a disconnection. I'm trying to remove postgresql but even after apt-get remove postgresq* i'm still having those processes in my "top" |
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| 10:36.06 | _KaszpiR_ | aptitude purge postgresq* |
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| 10:47.44 | pecenipicek | hello, anyone has any experience with PXE stuff? |
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| 10:48.00 | ectospasm | pecenipicek: just as a user |
| 10:48.23 | ectospasm | hopefully if I get the IT position here, I'll be able to play with our PXE boot server more. |
| 10:48.41 | sep | pecenipicek, just ask. |
| 10:48.51 | pecenipicek | basically, i want to install debian on a machine here. its own pxe loader doesnt pick up stuff i provided so, the other option to use is to set up grub locally to pick up the needed stuff. |
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| 10:49.08 | pecenipicek | what would i need to punt into grubs menu.lst to get it to pick up pxe stuff. |
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| 10:49.44 | pecenipicek | or should i just take the easy way out and burn netinstall to cd and be done with it? |
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| 10:50.13 | epsilon | Hi, I need a tip. Is there any convenient way to shrink a partition to the size of filesystem inside? |
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| 10:50.48 | ectospasm | epsilon: resize2fs |
| 10:51.03 | ectospasm | epsilon: oh, that's not what you were asking |
| 10:51.05 | sep | "pck up stuff" was very vauge. |
| 10:51.05 | Caribou| | _KaszpiR_, thanks |
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| 10:51.06 | petemc | ectospasm: parted |
| 10:51.09 | petemc | gah |
| 10:51.14 | petemc | etoomanyes |
| 10:51.19 | ectospasm | epsilon: parted |
| 10:52.08 | pecenipicek | sep, the assumption is that the pc's integrated PXE ROM isnt doing its job. |
| 10:52.08 | sep | does it get a ip + options from a dhcp server. ? does it attempt a tftp download of the dhcp provided filename ? does it get the file from the tftp server ? |
| 10:52.13 | sep | be spesific |
| 10:52.26 | sep | have you actually troubleshooted ? |
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| 10:53.03 | pecenipicek | for 1, it should, 2 no, 3 no. |
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| 10:53.08 | sep | firmware upgrade usualy fixes that. |
| 10:53.15 | pecenipicek | not an option unfortunately. |
| 10:53.15 | epsilon | ectospasm: FS is already shrinked (it's md / linux raid autodetect actually). Can parted suggest the start/end position of the patition to shrink? On check command, I get only the info that only xxGB of xxxGB is used |
| 10:53.19 | sep | 1: should ? read the logs and see what it saies. |
| 10:53.46 | sep | does it get the filename ? you usualy see some kind of output |
| 10:53.50 | pecenipicek | what logs? the PXE loaders arent known for showing anything except "succes |
| 10:53.56 | pecenipicek | *"success/fail" |
| 10:53.57 | sep | dhcp servers log |
| 10:54.04 | sep | and tftp servers log |
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| 10:54.37 | ectospasm | epsilon: it will list the existing size, I dunno how to get to the filesystem metadata |
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| 10:54.46 | sep | my pxe nics show atlest that it tries dhcp. and that it tries tftp when it succeed with dhcp |
| 10:55.11 | sep | so if it does not try tftp the problem is probably your dhcp config |
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| 10:55.34 | pecenipicek | DHCP works on the network, since i wouldnt be able to be here if it didnt :p |
| 10:55.55 | sep | missing or wrong next-host or filename |
| 10:55.57 | ectospasm | epsilon: you can probably use dumpe2fs and debugfs to help you figure out what the data for the filesystem are |
| 10:55.58 | pecenipicek | basically i set up a static lease for the machine in question with the next-server and filename options set. |
| 10:56.11 | sep | dhcp have many options not all of them requiered for simple ip |
| 10:56.34 | pecenipicek | trust me, its not the dhcp. |
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| 10:57.54 | sep | you also want to check the logs. perhaps you did a typo on the mac address |
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| 10:59.19 | sep | if your so sure it's not your config why are you asking ? since it does not even try tftp. it have to be the nic, (or it's firmware) or it's the dhcp server config. |
| 10:59.39 | sep | you can replace the nic. or you can verify your dhcp server operation by reading logs. |
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| 11:01.44 | pecenipicek | my question was actually on how to configure grub so it pulls the pxe stuff instead of relying on the machine's pxe loader. |
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| 11:02.55 | systemclient | my ubuntu computers can find each other with foo.local and bar.local, but my debian VMs cannot find foo or foo.local. What do I have to set up? |
| 11:03.31 | sep | i'd just build a gpxe capable image from http://rom-o-matic.net/ |
| 11:04.56 | brahman | systemclient: have a look in your resolv.conf |
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| 11:05.12 | brahman | and /etc/hosts |
| 11:05.12 | systemclient | in resolv.com it says "domain <make of our router>\nsearch <router>\nameserver <router-ip> |
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| 11:05.55 | systemclient | in hosts: 127… localhost \n 127… debian.local debian |
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| 11:07.32 | sep | systemclient, compare with ubuntu's |
| 11:07.59 | sep | also if your vm's are NAT'ed they are not on the same network as the real machines. |
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| 11:08.34 | systemclient | sep: I de-nat'ed them, ping to IP works |
| 11:08.46 | systemclient | sep: in the ubuntu one, there is a nameserver <router-ip> line |
| 11:08.58 | systemclient | sep: as far as I understood the topic, that line might help |
| 11:09.29 | systemclient | sep: sry, debian has the exact same nameserver line :-/ |
| 11:09.40 | sep | yes they should use the same dns server. but there can also be other things like zeroconf and bonjour that resolves hosts for you. |
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| 11:09.59 | systemclient | sep: I have no idea … how can I check whether zeroconf is on? |
| 11:10.28 | sep | dont know i hate the thing. allways disable it. |
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| 11:11.30 | pecenipicek | sep, my deepest apologies. it was a physical matter. |
| 11:11.35 | sep | i think the debian implementatino is called Avahi |
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| 11:11.51 | pecenipicek | aka, broken retainer clip on the LAN cable, and it fell out without me noticing at all. |
| 11:11.53 | pecenipicek | -.- |
| 11:12.02 | sep | systemclient, so compare what avahi packages and configs are in stalled in ubuntu vs debian's |
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| 11:13.02 | sep | pecenipicek, so works ? :) that's good |
| 11:13.06 | pecenipicek | yup. |
| 11:13.20 | pecenipicek | i couldnt believe it when i went to check the cabling on the switch. |
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| 11:13.48 | sep | guess i should have said to check the link first.... but i just assumed :) |
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| 11:13.56 | pecenipicek | yeah. |
| 11:14.04 | systemclient | how can I dump a compact list of installed packages that match *avahi* |
| 11:14.08 | pecenipicek | i didnt assume a physical problem in the first place... -.- |
| 11:14.09 | pecenipicek | bleh. |
| 11:14.15 | sep | systemclient, dpkg -la | grep avahi |
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| 11:15.57 | sep | systemclient, also compare the nsswitch.conf file |
| 11:16.04 | sep | especialy the line starting with host |
| 11:16.20 | pecenipicek | urk. when doing the install via ssh, what username does the installer put? |
| 11:16.26 | pecenipicek | i forgot to check -.- |
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| 11:17.31 | sep | pecenipicek, iirc it's installer |
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| 11:17.52 | pecenipicek | it is. thanks ;) |
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| 11:19.42 | systemclient | sep: here are the installed packages: http://pastebin.com/BBh6dMFs |
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| 11:19.49 | systemclient | sep: there is a lot missing in debian I think |
| 11:19.57 | gerard_ | Where do I download Lenny (5.0) iso's? The mirrors only seem to have Squeeze (6.0) and the archive only has images for Debian up to 4.0... |
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| 11:20.26 | systemclient | sep: nsswitch.conf is verbatim copy |
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| 11:20.37 | intx | is it possible to have security updates automatically installed? |
| 11:20.40 | olafkewl | gerard_: if u want, i have a amd64 lenny (5.0.4) right here |
| 11:20.48 | thewanderer1s | hi. I see this in an init script's LSB header: # Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs ; what is $local_fs, $remote_fs and where does init take these from? |
| 11:20.55 | intx | (from apt) |
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| 11:21.09 | thewanderer1s | intx: see unattended-upgrades |
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| 11:21.48 | intx | thanks |
| 11:21.51 | blue_sky | Been a long time since I bought new hardware, does anyone know which arch to use for an AMD Athlon II Neo N36L (1.3Ghz Dual-Core) - is this an amd64? |
| 11:21.55 | buhman | gerard_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/ |
| 11:22.28 | thewanderer1s | blue_sky: it most probably is |
| 11:22.32 | surf | hi guys. Which is the best method to use my ipod in debian? I mean upgrading playlists and so on? |
| 11:22.48 | gerard_ | buhman: thanks! I wonder why I couln't find it, seems like a logical location |
| 11:23.15 | buhman | gerard_: my google-fu might be just-enough stronger than yours to find it |
| 11:23.23 | blue_sky | thewanderer1s: Probably? I'll surf some more, but the docs on AMD site I found dense and not clear |
| 11:23.26 | systemclient | sep: I installed some avahi packages and now I can find my other computers!! |
| 11:23.32 | pecenipicek | blue_sky, it is a 64-bit processors, so you should be able to use amd64 stuff. |
| 11:23.54 | systemclient | unless you have 4GB of RAM, 64 never paid out for me |
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| 11:24.18 | pecenipicek | indeed. |
| 11:24.31 | blue_sky | systemclient: this will be a server only... maybe i386 would be satisfactory |
| 11:24.34 | pecenipicek | below 4GB of ram, 64-bit is unnecesary and redundant really. |
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| 11:24.48 | buhman | blue_sky: I'm running amd64 right now on an athlon II neo and I can tell you that it is indeed x86_64 |
| 11:25.18 | thewanderer1s | pecenipicek: heh, except for doing away with i386's ugly hacks and having NX built-in... |
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| 11:25.50 | thewanderer1s | we're only ircing, let's switch back to RS-232, we don't need Ethernet :P |
| 11:25.52 | gerard_ | buhman: so it seems... what did you search for? |
| 11:26.01 | blue_sky | thanks all re the 64bit issue. ... now considering, as I only have 2GB, and this is a headless mail/news/web server that I should use i386. |
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| 11:26.51 | buhman | pecenipicek: the other thing to take into consideration is that the 32-bit packages are compiled for the least-common-denominator; usually i386 in most cases, meaning that for any incredibly cpu-intesive task that would otherwise benifit from the additional instructions will.... well, just not run as fast |
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| 11:26.55 | buhman | pecenipicek: and this is true from the kernel up |
| 11:27.24 | buhman | pecenipicek: whereas the instructions in the least common denominator 64 bit processor are much more modern |
| 11:27.38 | thewanderer1s | blue_sky: people who praise i386 over amd64 usually do it in the context of desktop installs - proprietary software has traditionally had poor support for amd64 (Flash, games), but on servers you're probably better off with amd64 |
| 11:27.42 | buhman | blue_sky: ^ |
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| 11:27.52 | fips4d | hi |
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| 11:28.29 | pecenipicek | buhman, enter i686? :p |
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| 11:28.47 | buhman | pecenipicek: what? |
| 11:28.56 | pecenipicek | seriously, as a former gentoo user, recompiling for native really doesnt provide that much performance boost. |
| 11:28.59 | thewanderer1s | the userspace is compiled for i486 anyway |
| 11:29.06 | buhman | pecenipicek: the debian 32-bit kernel is i386 afaik |
| 11:29.08 | pecenipicek | only exception being SSE1/2 stuff. |
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| 11:29.20 | pecenipicek | you can also install the 686 version. |
| 11:29.25 | thewanderer1s | ok, so any idea about the "virtual" dependencies in init scripts? like $syslog and $local_fs |
| 11:29.29 | buhman | pecenipicek: where? |
| 11:29.37 | pecenipicek | right now from netinstall? :p |
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| 11:29.58 | pecenipicek | srsly, i'm just installing debian on a new machine and had the kernel choice screen. |
| 11:30.25 | pecenipicek | had a choice between i386 and i686 and a metric ton of other architectures. |
| 11:30.30 | An_Ony_Moose | IT'S STILL NOT WORKING >:( . I'm trying to get GLX back into a working state after a kernel upgrade. The nvidia drivers seem to hate me, nouveau's 3D works but is far too slow for my purposes, and vesa is obviously out of the question. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/408031/ is the output of a couple of GLX progrma |
| 11:30.35 | An_Ony_Moose | s |
| 11:30.52 | buhman | I can tell you from experience that from compiling my own kernel (as well as ffmpeg, in this case), I experienced a dramatic performance improvement on the pentium-4 I was playing with |
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| 11:31.07 | pecenipicek | with old machines, there ought to be a improvement. |
| 11:31.17 | pecenipicek | but its not gonna happen in any and all circumstances. |
| 11:31.18 | fips4d | anyone here running squeeze LXCs on lenny? |
| 11:31.18 | buhman | I always use netinstall and I've never seen such a kernel selection |
| 11:31.19 | jelly | An_Ony_Moose: for sid issues, try #debian-next on irc.debian.org (OFTC) |
| 11:31.35 | buhman | pecenipicek: old machines? quite the opposite |
| 11:31.37 | pecenipicek | hence why i mentioned the SSE1/2 stuff. |
| 11:31.54 | blue_sky | Interesting discussion guys, I came for answers and now I have more questions - back to Google for me then. Thanks for clearing up the important bit though. |
| 11:31.58 | pecenipicek | a P4 is at least 7 years old if i remember my CPU timelines correctly? |
| 11:32.07 | thewanderer1s | fips4d: Lenny doesn't support LXC |
| 11:32.31 | buhman | pecenipicek: something like that. But going from less than MMX all the way up to SSE2 in the context of video encoding... the difference is dramatic |
| 11:32.38 | pecenipicek | of course. |
| 11:32.40 | blue_sky | buhman: I think the kernel selection is under custom install... somewhere |
| 11:32.42 | An_Ony_Moose | jelly: 13:32 -!- Cannot join to channel #debian-next (You must be invited) |
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| 11:32.52 | pecenipicek | SSE2 was pretty much made for accelerating that kind of workloads. |
| 11:33.00 | buhman | pecenipicek: indeed |
| 11:33.02 | pecenipicek | 3D-using apps should also benefit a bit from that. |
| 11:33.23 | thewanderer1s | guys, can anyone explain how the dependencies in LSB headers in init.d work? |
| 11:33.24 | pecenipicek | but apart from SSE, the performance differences arent that big actually. |
| 11:33.29 | jelly | An_Ony_Moose: on the correct irc network? (Have you read my previous line?) |
| 11:33.36 | pecenipicek | (as a former gentoo user, trust me, i know :p) |
| 11:33.51 | An_Ony_Moose | oh oops |
| 11:34.05 | jelly | !spank An_Ony_Moose |
| 11:34.05 | dpkg | bends An_Ony_Moose over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 11:34.45 | systemclient | thanks everyone who helped me with my apt-proxy -- it works now |
| 11:35.08 | pecenipicek | woot? :D |
| 11:35.16 | dubphil | On a vps what can broke gettext upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze ? |
| 11:35.34 | pecenipicek | btw, buhman, i'm installing debian squeeze on a old Athlon X2... |
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| 11:36.00 | dubphil | my translations are not longur taken in account but the processing itself is working |
| 11:36.06 | buhman | pecenipicek: aren't those successors to athlon 64's? |
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| 11:36.13 | pecenipicek | yup. |
| 11:36.26 | MrFrood | pecenipicek: that's not old to some of us (k6 user here) |
| 11:36.45 | pecenipicek | but with 512 megs of ram... there's truly no point in punting an amd64 up there :p |
| 11:36.50 | pecenipicek | MrFrood, heh |
| 11:36.55 | buhman | pecenipicek: why not? |
| 11:37.10 | buhman | pecenipicek: for preciesly the reasons I came up with. |
| 11:37.22 | pecenipicek | its a temporary server until my "employers" provide me with a proper server. |
| 11:37.53 | pecenipicek | which will have 4 gigs of ram if memory serves me correctly. |
| 11:38.00 | pecenipicek | so i'll punt it up there. |
| 11:38.17 | thewanderer1s | ok so does anyone know what I should put in Required-Start field of an init script? |
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| 11:39.30 | buhman | call me crazy, but I actually have wheezy and kernel 3.0-rc1 on one of my production servers |
| 11:39.35 | zykes- | http://paste.ubuntu.com/627258/ < anyone got a clue on why partitioning aint working here ? |
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| 11:40.55 | thewanderer1s | can I put in an init script name to Required-Start, or do I need to declare an alias in insserv.conf? |
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| 11:43.23 | strayer1 | thewanderer1s: imo you need to insert the string that is declared in the required script via Provides |
| 11:43.47 | thewanderer1s | strayer1: then why no init script is doing that, but all of them are referencing $some_alias? O.o |
| 11:45.03 | mrwarmth | buhman, you're a loose cannon! ;) |
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| 11:52.17 | strayer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.23 | fips4d | thewanderer1s: the lxc tools aren't packaged, but according to the wiki, the kernel supports it |
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| 11:54.13 | thewanderer1s | fips4d: ok, so backport the tools from squeeze and run lxc-checkconfig |
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| 11:55.06 | fips4d | thewanderer1s: shouldn't be more difficult than build the src pkg on lenny, is it? |
| 11:55.35 | thewanderer1s | fips4d: actually, you're just going to do that - build the src deb :P |
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| 11:56.51 | fips4d | thewanderer1s: s/src pkg/src deb/ yeah, sorry! ;) |
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| 11:57.52 | kandinski | I am trying to install mysql-client in a sarge chroot but see an error "dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file": http://paste.debian.net/119909/ |
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| 12:00.13 | stew | kandinski: realize that sarge hasn't been supported in years |
| 12:00.28 | stew | kandinski: you really should be upgrading to lenny and then to squeeze |
| 12:00.37 | thewanderer1s | not to etch first? :P |
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| 12:00.56 | stew | oh right, first to etch, then to lenny, then to squeeze |
| 12:01.55 | stew | i seem to have that override though, and "getent group Debian-exim" returns "Debian-exim:x:102:" |
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| 12:02.17 | stew | (and statoverride is explaind in "man dpkg-statoverride") |
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| 12:03.15 | kandinski | stew: I know, I am starting the sarge chroot so I can upgrade an old service |
| 12:03.37 | kandinski | so that's the purpose, the sarge chroot is on a squeeze machine |
| 12:05.21 | stew | !dbugs 565613 |
| 12:05.26 | dpkg | #565613:I[schroot] overwrites customized /etc/passwd and /etc/group (moreinfo); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:24:02 UTC [] |
| 12:05.35 | stew | kandinski: perhaps this ^^ |
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| 12:05.56 | stew | kandinski: are you using schroot? |
| 12:06.05 | kandinski | stew: no, regular chroot |
| 12:06.21 | kandinski | but I did set up the chroot, then clobber it with the source server's files |
| 12:06.48 | kandinski | since that's the problem, it's an old badly maintained and badly documented sarge server, difficult to reproduce otherwise |
| 12:07.59 | stew | kandinski: i'd probaably recommend adding the Debian-exim group back |
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| 12:08.19 | kandinski | yep, I'll create it |
| 12:08.20 | kandinski | thanks |
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| 12:09.40 | thewanderer1s | I've added a Required-Start: to an init script, but .depend.start is not updated accordingly after running update-rc.d-insserv, why? |
| 12:09.59 | thewanderer1s | or what do the .depend.* files exist for? |
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| 12:12.02 | thewanderer1s | oh, I see, I needed to run insserv |
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| 12:17.56 | Renekton | Is possible to use as RAID in linux, RAID created by sw raid (by intel)? |
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| 12:18.22 | Renekton | I'm trying to use mdadm but not working... using debian squeeze |
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| 12:21.11 | freebird_2 | hi |
| 12:21.13 | c0nsense | Hello! how can i remove the "icmp" line from iptables rules and accept ping request/reply for this server? iptables -L output: http://pastebin.com/CnDNjMvd | NOTE: it's a remote server |
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| 12:21.56 | freebird_2 | you guys, if I apt-get dist-upgrade, it says I`m upgraded, but I still have lenny running, when I cat /proc/version it shows me lenny, how do I upgrade ?? |
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| 12:22.30 | freebird_2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.31 | freebird_2 | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-26lenny2) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Thu Jan 27 00:28:05 UTC 2011 |
| 12:23.00 | thewanderer1s | !tell freebird_2 about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:23.40 | freebird_2 | thewanderer1, I read a file, saying I was supposed to apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:23.51 | freebird_2 | I did it, but I`m still in lenny, why ? |
| 12:24.01 | Dad` | c0nsense: you should insert not append |
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| 12:24.22 | thewanderer1s | freebird_2: because you weren't listening to dpkg, the bot :P |
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| 12:24.47 | karlpinc | freebird_2: You need to read the squeeze release notes and follow the upgrade instructions. |
| 12:24.47 | Dad` | last line is useless as drop is matching before, so just use -I chain num instead of -A |
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| 12:25.55 | karlpinc | freebird_2: (You can follow the abbreviated procedure the bot has, but there's lots of tips and explanations in the release notes and so long as you're able to read and tell what you don't need to read then the release notes are definatly the way to go.) |
| 12:26.04 | c0nsense | Dad`: sorry? |
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| 12:26.15 | karlpinc | freebird_2: Mostly, you need to follow chapter 4. |
| 12:26.24 | karlpinc | !release notes |
| 12:26.24 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 12:28.17 | surf | hi guys. Which is the best method to use my ipod in debian? I mean upgrading playlists and so on? |
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| 12:36.10 | intx | is there anything wrong with having :: for password in shadow? |
| 12:36.17 | intx | i noticed the default is to use a * |
| 12:37.29 | fips4d | thewanderer1s: lenny's libc seems too old for lxc! :o |
| 12:38.04 | sep | intx, * or ! means no login allowed. :: means there is no password set. (security risk) |
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| 12:41.04 | ichdertom | hey guys. I wanna upgrade my system but I'm unsure if i have i386 or x64. i did a "cat /proc/cpuinfo" but well I didn't find the information there. Where should i look for? And What should I look for. Thanks for help! |
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| 12:42.25 | gnarface | ichdertom: pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:43.13 | ichdertom | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/VPxsNVxb |
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| 12:44.32 | abrotman | ichdertom: wait, upgrade from what to what? |
| 12:44.46 | ichdertom | from lenny to squeeze |
| 12:44.55 | abrotman | !tell ichdertom about lenny->squeeze |
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| 12:45.17 | abrotman | ichdertom: and if you don't know which one you have now, dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 12:45.48 | gnarface | ichdertom: that is a 64-bit chip that can run i386 binaries too. either i386 or amd64 would work for you |
| 12:46.17 | ichdertom | aaah! thank you! I was just going through the release notes |
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| 12:46.57 | systemclient | how can I pin the output of a bash command on my KDE desktop? |
| 12:47.07 | abrotman | pin? |
| 12:47.18 | systemclient | write |
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| 12:47.36 | systemclient | that they are part of the background image, so to speak |
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| 12:47.45 | epsilon | some transparent shell console? |
| 12:47.50 | systemclient | I want to have the output of date or df on there constantly, updated every few seconds |
| 12:47.52 | systemclient | pretty much |
| 12:48.02 | systemclient | just that it is not interactive |
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| 12:48.19 | abrotman | there used to be a roottail kind of thing for your X display |
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| 12:48.36 | gnarface | systemclient: xclock has many options |
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| 12:48.53 | epsilon | I saw something like this, but that was 10 years ago on Sun |
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| 12:49.09 | systemclient | clock was just an example I have some python scripts that I would run |
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| 12:49.35 | systemclient | epsilon: I saw it on mac "geektool" and "rainmeter" and on KDE I saw something called "Konqi" (or similar). |
| 12:49.38 | systemclient | I just cannot find anyhting |
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| 13:03.32 | niklaswe | hmm why doesn't it chomp http://pastebin.com/ckY3vNfn ? |
| 13:03.37 | niklaswe | whats wrong with that? |
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| 13:04.20 | digdilem_ | niklaswe, this isn't #perl, but afaik, nothing wrong with that. Verify data? |
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| 13:04.57 | niklaswe | digdilem_: hmm must check again in the file.. :) and i know that this isn't #perl :) |
| 13:08.31 | intx | is there an easy way to downgrade/remove X? it has a billion dependencies |
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| 13:09.24 | gnarface | dpkg --purge [package name] |
| 13:09.24 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up [package name] all over gnarface and ymasory... |
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| 13:11.06 | Justin | intx: remove libx11-6 ? |
| 13:11.37 | intx | dpkg -P libx11-6? |
| 13:11.38 | dpkg | intx: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:11.45 | Justin | apt-get remove libx11-6 |
| 13:12.02 | intx | it still lists a billion dependencies |
| 13:12.06 | Justin | "it" ? |
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| 13:12.12 | intx | apt-get |
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| 13:12.36 | Justin | are you purposely being vague? |
| 13:12.41 | intx | sorry |
| 13:13.06 | intx | i'm trying to remove xserver-xorg-core and all it's dependencies (actually i'm trying to downgrade it) |
| 13:13.41 | intx | what's the easiest way to do this? |
| 13:13.53 | Justin | remove xserver-common ? |
| 13:15.37 | intx | when i try to remove that, it says xserver-xorg-core depends on it |
| 13:15.44 | intx | if i add that, it shows me another huge list of packages |
| 13:16.12 | intx | like xorg-video-abi-10.. is there a way to automatically remove a package and all it's dependencies, without typing each one out manually? |
| 13:16.13 | Justin | how are you trying to 'remove it' ? |
| 13:16.29 | intx | apt-get remove xserver-common xserver-xorg-core |
| 13:17.10 | Justin | apt-get removes a package and any package that depends on it |
| 13:17.28 | intx | i think it has 3rd level dependencies though |
| 13:17.35 | Justin | that has nothing to do with it |
| 13:17.38 | intx | i'm not really sure, all i know is it's not removing it! |
| 13:17.39 | Justin | what did you do to break your system? |
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| 13:17.58 | Bushmills | intx: "i'm trying to remove xserver-xorg-core and all it's dependencies" ... "it shows me another huge list of packages" - yes, those are the dependencies which you want to remove |
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| 13:18.22 | intx | is there a way to do that without typing in each one manually? |
| 13:18.27 | Bushmills | aptitude purge package |
| 13:18.31 | Justin | intx: you need to pastebin what you are seeing |
| 13:18.50 | Bushmills | you may have to "Y" the solution you like best - which is, remove all |
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| 13:24.23 | systemclient | how can I browse debian mailingslists via nntp? |
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| 13:26.36 | priyesh | how do i set the default text editor to vim? |
| 13:26.51 | systemclient | priyesh: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim |
| 13:27.04 | systemclient | priyesh: best added to your .bashrc |
| 13:28.19 | priyesh | systemclient: and what's the best way to test it now |
| 13:28.21 | priyesh | thanks btw |
| 13:28.40 | systemclient | priyesh: just enter that export into your current shell session |
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| 13:28.48 | systemclient | or add it to .bashrc and do "source .bashrc" |
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| 13:30.01 | priyesh | systemclient: i've done that, but when I type editor, nano still opens |
| 13:30.32 | secretary_linux | priyesh: ls -al `which editor` |
| 13:30.45 | systemclient | and "type editor" please |
| 13:30.53 | secretary_linux | priyesh: `editor` is not the same as your default editor |
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| 13:31.22 | priyesh | secretary_linux: how do I open the default editor |
| 13:31.33 | secretary_linux | priyesh: if you know what editor you want, then why not run it? |
| 13:31.36 | systemclient | you could just do $EDITOR file |
| 13:31.41 | priyesh | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Jan 18 18:06 /usr/bin/editor -> /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 13:31.49 | abrotman | priyesh: update-alternatives |
| 13:31.54 | priyesh | editor is /usr/bin/editor |
| 13:31.55 | abrotman | priyesh: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 13:32.12 | systemclient | I have a .selected_editor in my ~ which was generated by /usr/bin/select.editor |
| 13:32.16 | systemclient | select-editor |
| 13:32.25 | priyesh | vim.basic or vim.tiny |
| 13:32.41 | abrotman | your decision |
| 13:32.46 | priyesh | what's the difference |
| 13:32.55 | abrotman | use them and find out, or read the descriptions |
| 13:32.56 | systemclient | I do not know, I always use the full vim |
| 13:33.12 | priyesh | systemclient: there's no option for full vim |
| 13:33.24 | abrotman | there is if you install it |
| 13:33.25 | systemclient | priyesh: maybe it is not installed? |
| 13:34.07 | systemclient | vim-tiny: This package contains a minimal version of vim compiled with no GUI and a small subset of features in order to keep small the package size. This package does not depend on the vim-runtime package, but installing it you will get its additional benefits (online documentation, plugins, ...). |
| 13:34.30 | priyesh | i've got vim installed (sudo apt-get install vim) |
| 13:34.47 | systemclient | there is no vim-basic package, so maybe it is plain vim then |
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| 13:35.09 | rajkosto | is it possibel to uninstall all packages other than like coreutils and tar |
| 13:35.14 | acemi | vim.basic is the one which come with "apt-get install vim" |
| 13:35.30 | priyesh | acemi: how do install the full vim |
| 13:35.51 | systemclient | priyesh: just install the "vim" package. Or do you mean with GUI? |
| 13:35.57 | priyesh | not with gui |
| 13:36.02 | priyesh | i've installed the vim package |
| 13:36.13 | priyesh | the options are vim.basic and vim.tiny |
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| 13:36.20 | acemi | aptitude search vim to see the packages list |
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| 13:38.14 | priyesh | update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/vim.basic to provide /usr/bin/editor (editor) in manual mode. |
| 13:38.17 | priyesh | update-alternatives: error: unable to make /etc/alternatives/editor.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /usr/bin/vim.basic: Permission denied |
| 13:38.22 | priyesh | getting errors when i select vim.basic |
| 13:38.45 | secretary_linux | priyesh: are you root? |
| 13:38.48 | priyesh | nope |
| 13:38.53 | secretary_linux | well, you need to be |
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| 13:39.01 | priyesh | am i not adjusting it for my user |
| 13:39.07 | secretary_linux | no, you are adjusting the system default |
| 13:39.18 | secretary_linux | you already adjusted it with EDITOR= for your user |
| 13:39.23 | abrotman | if you want to alter it for yourself, use a bash alias |
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| 13:42.27 | rizzeh | have you run alsactl init as root to configure the sound card? |
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| 13:43.34 | tobiasBora | Hello ! I've a problem with a USB key : I can mount the key but not execute binaries in the usb key. |
| 13:43.53 | tobiasBora | this is the line in /etc/fstab : |
| 13:43.57 | tobiasBora | /dev/sdb1 /media/usb auto rw,exec,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 13:44.39 | tobiasBora | How could I execute file on usb device ? |
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| 13:45.33 | Fill | are your files executable? |
| 13:45.40 | Fill | I mean, on the permissions |
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| 13:46.35 | tobiasBora | Fill : with chmod +x ? Yes |
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| 13:46.52 | tobiasBora | I've compile them with g++ |
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| 13:47.21 | Fill | hum.. so I don't know, I'm a beginner too ;P |
| 13:47.22 | Justin | tobiasBora: what does mount actually say for that drive? |
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| 13:48.39 | tobiasBora | Justin : Mount say something to me ? |
| 13:49.04 | Justin | tobiasBora: you pasted the fstab contents, which does not actually reflect the options the filesystem is mounted with |
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| 13:51.32 | tobiasBora | And how could I know these options ? I've mount with "mount /media/usb". Excuse me if I don't understand your question but I'm french. |
| 13:51.44 | Justin | tobiasBora: type 'mount' |
| 13:51.51 | tobiasBora | ok, I've done : |
| 13:52.08 | tobiasBora | http://pastebin.com/4jHKdTKT |
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| 13:52.21 | Justin | /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=leo) |
| 13:52.38 | tobiasBora | why noexec ? |
| 13:52.46 | Justin | yyou mounted it as a user, user implies noexec,nosuid,nodev |
| 13:53.16 | tobiasBora | So I've to mount in root ? I would like that user leo can exec files ! |
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| 13:54.31 | tobiasBora | Justin: Is it possible ? |
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| 13:56.20 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: "user" doesn't have to do anything with where a volume is mounted |
| 13:57.04 | tobiasBora | Bushmills: So I can't execute files on my usb device ? I've to copy in the main partition ? |
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| 13:59.21 | wols | tobiasBora: yes. it's a security option. for the same reason MSFT doesn't allow autorun on removable drives anymore. |
| 13:59.24 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: You can, but when the device is mounted it can't be mounted noexec. |
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| 14:00.18 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: (I don't know what's mounting it so I can't tell you how to fix it. |
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| 14:01.26 | tobiasBora | wols : and could I delete this security option ? |
| 14:01.37 | wols | sure. just don't mount it "noexec" |
| 14:02.41 | tobiasBora | wols: excuse me I don't understand. What I've to put in my fstab ? |
| 14:02.49 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: Try removing the "user" option in fstab and replacing it with nosuid,nodev. |
| 14:03.07 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: That might do it, if whatever's mounting it for you cooperates. |
| 14:03.37 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: (You will also have to unmount and remount it to test it.) |
| 14:03.50 | tobiasBora | karlpinc: like this ? /dev/sdb1 /media/usb auto rw,exec,nosuid,nodev,noauto 0 0 |
| 14:04.01 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: Looks right. |
| 14:04.15 | tobiasBora | Thanks, I'll try |
| 14:04.42 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: You might also want to leave a comment in so you can remember what happened, like: # Use nosuid,nodev instead of 'user' so as to be able to execute |
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| 14:05.39 | karlpinc | tobiasBora, Fill : (Since you're new you might find typing "/msg dpkg introduction" into irc helpful.) |
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| 14:05.42 | tobiasBora | ;-) I've do it |
| 14:06.04 | tobiasBora | And How could I "load" fstab file ? |
| 14:06.08 | tobiasBora | *reload |
| 14:06.19 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: You don't, it's just there whenever you do a mount. |
| 14:06.30 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: s/there/read/ |
| 14:06.34 | tobiasBora | ok ! |
| 14:07.38 | Bushmills | tobiasBora: you may want to consider the alternative of installing usbmount, put yourself in the plugdev group, and remove noexec from the usbmount.conf config file |
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| 14:08.07 | karlpinc | likes usbmount, but does not know if it plays nicely with the "helpful" desktops. |
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| 14:08.42 | Bushmills | file manager automounting is better disabled, for consistency reasons |
| 14:09.17 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Yes, but I hate bothering with gnome's configuration. (So I ditched gnome. :-) |
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| 14:09.49 | Bushmills | thus no nautilus automounting. solves that. |
| 14:09.56 | tobiasBora | So karlpinc : It work, but there is only a problem, I've to be in root to mount and to modifie files... |
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| 14:10.35 | tobiasBora | And I've not file manager : I've in console mode |
| 14:10.40 | tobiasBora | *I'm |
| 14:10.40 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: Follow Bushmills suggestion. Putting yourself in the plugdev group and using pmount lets you do it as a user. Using the usbmount package makes it automatic. |
| 14:10.42 | c0nsense | Hey, where can i get Debian LENNY! with exim 4.69 for do a exploit demo? |
| 14:10.56 | tobiasBora | i'm trying |
| 14:11.11 | karlpinc | !tell c0nsense about archive.debian.org |
| 14:11.34 | Bushmills | usbmount.conf has noexec by default as mount option, which needed to be removed |
| 14:11.52 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: You must re-login (or su to yourself) to make the new group take effect. |
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| 14:13.51 | tobiasBora | karlpinc: I'm already in plugdev group |
| 14:14.01 | gynter | If I make changes in kernel config only by adding modules should I increase the revision number? |
| 14:14.03 | tobiasBora | Bushmills: I've to delete the line in fstab ? |
| 14:14.09 | Bushmills | yes |
| 14:14.32 | Bushmills | well, not really "have to", but it becomes useless with usbmount |
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| 14:15.24 | tobiasBora | Bushmills: Ok, thanks. And Where is the config file ? |
| 14:15.34 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.49 | tobiasBora | thanks ! |
| 14:15.54 | systemclient | which packages do I have to install to get a KDE but not all the gigs of software associated with kde-full? |
| 14:16.09 | wols | !tell systemclient about install kde |
| 14:17.03 | systemclient | wols: thanks |
| 14:17.23 | systemclient | in the installer, it asks me for a http proxy. I have an apt-proxy. Is this the right time to enter it? |
| 14:17.28 | tobiasBora | Bushmills: And I delete noexec or I replace noexec by exec ? |
| 14:17.44 | Bushmills | removing noexec should do |
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| 14:18.54 | kyperf | hello |
| 14:18.56 | tobiasBora | Bushmills: Ok, and now I must reboot ? |
| 14:19.05 | Bushmills | no need to |
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| 14:19.24 | thewanderer1 | hey, does Chromium break for anyone else with overcommit_memory=2 ? |
| 14:19.31 | tobiasBora | So I must lauch a programm ? |
| 14:19.44 | Bushmills | you'd insert the usb stick |
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| 14:22.07 | tobiasBora | Bushmills: THANKS !!! IT WORKS ! |
| 14:22.20 | tobiasBora | I'll takes notes about that ! |
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| 14:25.36 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: If there's a deamon you often need to tell the daemon to restart or re-read it's configs. Otherwise changes just take effect. Rebooting is very rarely required. |
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| 14:27.58 | tobiasBora | karlpinc: ok ^^ I've only a question in English : How could I say "I have to do something" but when I don't MUST, but between can and must ? |
| 14:28.13 | AimHere | should? |
| 14:28.14 | intx | how do I add an user to a group? |
| 14:28.19 | AimHere | 'ought to'? |
| 14:28.48 | tobiasBora | AimHere: So for exemple : "I ought to reboot now ?" is correct ? |
| 14:29.04 | AimHere | That works. |
| 14:29.08 | karlpinc | tobiasBora: Either of the above. (But that's all offtopic here and should be asked in #debian-offtopic. See also a thesaurus. Doesn't wikipedia have one?) |
| 14:29.25 | stew | intx: adduser username groupname |
| 14:29.26 | AimHere | Debian ought to have one, if it doesn't already ;) |
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| 14:29.35 | intx | stew: thanks |
| 14:29.37 | tobiasBora | Thanks and sorry for the offtopic ! |
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| 14:36.04 | karlpinc | The balsa email client is really beginning to annoy me. New in squeeze is something strange with auto-selecting addresses on click so that it becomes impossible to paste with the mouse on the end of an address line. What other gui email client is out there? (I'd use emacs, but for hassles with attachements.) |
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| 14:36.42 | boudiccas | karlpinc; kmail, thunderbird |
| 14:36.42 | Bushmills | karlpinc: claws-mail |
| 14:36.50 | wols | thunderbird, sylpheed, claws, evolution |
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| 14:37.10 | wols | Bushmills: is sylpheed done for? |
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| 14:37.44 | Bushmills | claws is a fork, sylpheed considered the more traditional line |
| 14:38.26 | wols | I remember the history. claws once was "the development version" of sylpheed |
| 14:38.27 | karlpinc | What's "lightweight"? (e.g. evolution always seemed "big" and thunderbird had all this newsgroup stuff. All I want is email. |
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| 14:38.48 | wols | oh yes: mulberry if using imap |
| 14:38.54 | petemc | all email clients suck |
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| 14:39.04 | Bushmills | size of claws executable is about 3.5 MiB |
| 14:39.06 | systemclient | in the installer, it asks me for a http proxy. I have an apt-proxy. Is this the right time to enter it? |
| 14:39.11 | karlpinc | petemc: Yes. That's why I want to be able to blame my choice on someone here! |
| 14:39.23 | petemc | :) |
| 14:39.25 | Justin | systemclient: no |
| 14:39.50 | systemclient | how can I set up my apt-proxy as soon as possible in the installation process? |
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| 14:40.36 | wols | systemclient: you don't need to access the network at all when installing. just set it up afterwards and install stuff then |
| 14:40.51 | systemclient | wols: but I have the netinstall :-/ |
| 14:40.58 | pipeline | karlpinc: lightweight is mutt |
| 14:41.03 | wols | even with the netinstall there is no need at all |
| 14:41.09 | pipeline | karlpinc: you either want a nice GUI client, or you want lightweight :P |
| 14:41.23 | wols | claws was always pretty light, no? |
| 14:41.24 | Justin | systemclient: the apt proxy server should work just like a normal debian mirror (approx does at least) |
| 14:41.26 | pipeline | I hate it when people ask for "lightweight" applications but also want various features |
| 14:41.33 | karlpinc | pipeline: I like to have a gui, just to make reading those inevitable word processing attachments easy. |
| 14:41.38 | Justin | systemclient: when it asks for your mirror pick 'enter manually' |
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| 14:41.48 | pipeline | karlpinc: that would be getting out of lightweight territory |
| 14:41.52 | wols | pipeline: my irssi is pretty lightweight, but has tons of features too... |
| 14:41.53 | pipeline | wols: maybe compared to Outlook :D |
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| 14:42.00 | karlpinc | pipeline: It just has to launch something. |
| 14:42.08 | pipeline | wols: and irssi is anything but lightweight when compared to more modest irc clients. I guess the definition scales with hardware |
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| 14:42.33 | wols | pipeline: I ran (not anymore) irssi on 64MB 486-160 :) |
| 14:42.36 | systemclient | Justin: oh, pretty obvious when you know it. Thanks a lot! |
| 14:42.43 | karlpinc | pipeline: I just want to stay far, far away from dancing paperclip territory. |
| 14:42.48 | wols | and if I scale down on buffers, I would easily be able to run it on a 32MB router |
| 14:42.50 | Justin | systemclient: it's a lot easier if you just preseed the mirror settings |
| 14:43.11 | Justin | wols: I run irssi on a 48M VM :) |
| 14:43.11 | systemclient | Justin: you mean seed into the install medium? |
| 14:43.11 | hallas | Hey all. Is it possible for me to forward a request for a specific hostname such as docs.domain.com on port 80 to the internal port 81 for example? |
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| 14:43.19 | hallas | Using iptables or such |
| 14:43.23 | pipeline | wols: 64MB used to be a lot >:( |
| 14:43.29 | Justin | systemclient: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 14:43.36 | wols | pipeline: 20 years ago, yes |
| 14:43.50 | pipeline | wols: thunderbird is almost twenty years old :D |
| 14:43.50 | Bushmills | 20 MiB harddisks used to be a lot too |
| 14:43.58 | pipeline | wols: ok almost ten |
| 14:44.06 | wols | pipeline: dream on. and check your internal clock |
| 14:44.23 | pipeline | wols: netscape mail :D |
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| 14:44.57 | sickgut | there are OSes out there linux based that run very minimal X environment, such as tiny core and DSL. I am wanting to know if it is at all possible using debian to run a very very very small X environment, im thinking that Xorg is too big, im presuming these other OSes dont use Xorg? any info on this will be helpfull |
| 14:45.18 | Bushmills | DSL is debian based |
| 14:45.19 | pipeline | this would be an example of an irritating question |
| 14:45.22 | karlpinc | !tell sickgut about emdebian |
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| 14:45.31 | sickgut | oooh nice emdebian |
| 14:45.34 | deathtje | DSL runs xorg if i'm not mistaken |
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| 14:45.50 | sickgut | k |
| 14:46.10 | sickgut | ill look at this emdebian |
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| 14:46.45 | ayambit | Please check my understanding on how grub works. First part is installed in MBR, second part installed on partition which is market bootable and reads from /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 14:47.44 | karlpinc | Why would I choose claws vs sylpheed? I'm more interesed in hearing anwsers like "those guys are assholes" that would reflect on the future of the projects than I am on feature-to-feature comparisons. |
| 14:47.48 | Bushmills | and there's kdrive, smallx, others. kdrive runs on my pda |
| 14:47.57 | wols | ayambit: there was in grub1, probably still is in grub2 a stage 1.5 which is in the sectors directly after the MBR |
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| 14:48.30 | karlpinc | Or should I just give up and pick one? |
| 14:48.44 | wols | karlpinc: claws is/was the development branch of sylpheed and got more and more users. probably still the same devs and communities for both |
| 14:48.58 | sickgut | smallx and kdrive |
| 14:49.00 | sickgut | k |
| 14:49.01 | Bushmills | karlpinc: i went with claws long time ago because sylpheed lacked a few features claws provided |
| 14:49.13 | ayambit | wols: what this 1.5 stage does? |
| 14:49.18 | sickgut | thanks ill look these up as well |
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| 14:49.21 | wols | ayambit: load stage 2 |
| 14:49.27 | karlpinc | wols: that sounds strange. Which is why I asked. How can both share devs/etc.? |
| 14:49.37 | wols | ayambit: stage 1 is only 448 bytes. not much stuff you can cram into that |
| 14:49.49 | wols | karlpinc: same way sid shares with squeeze? |
| 14:49.50 | ayambit | hmm |
| 14:50.01 | karlpinc | wols: Well that's sane. |
| 14:50.05 | sickgut | there was a xfree86-fbdev x server thing that replaced kdrive but trying to apt-get this installs the entire xorg thing |
| 14:50.11 | ayambit | and how much space is available after the mbr? |
| 14:50.21 | wols | ayambit: 62 sectors max |
| 14:50.24 | Meier | Hi, i try to build some packages with pbuilder/pdebuild and want to us an in-house repo to install some dependencies in the pbuilder chroot. But i get GPG errors because the keys of our in-house repo is not known inside the chroot. How can i work around this? |
| 14:50.51 | ayambit | wols: each sector is 512 bytes as I recall? |
| 14:50.54 | systemclient | Meier: maybe disable the check alltogether |
| 14:50.57 | wols | yes |
| 14:51.01 | sickgut | does it still work even tho you get gpg keyring error spam? |
| 14:51.09 | ayambit | So, what I want to understand is this. |
| 14:51.23 | ayambit | To install grub I don't need a config file. |
| 14:51.27 | Meier | systemclient: how would i do that? if i disable secure apt will that also disable secure apt inside the chroot? |
| 14:51.37 | karlpinc | ayambit: Then you probably want to read the grub info pages (which may or may not be in the non-free repos). They explain quite a lot. |
| 14:51.37 | systemclient | !tell systemclient about install kde |
| 14:51.53 | wols | !tell systemclient about selftell |
| 14:52.14 | ayambit | I just need to tell it where I want it to be installed and place grub.cfg in /boot/grub.cfg of bootable partition. |
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| 14:52.43 | karlpinc | ayambit: That all sounds right. |
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| 14:52.55 | ayambit | Ok, thanks for clarifying this for me. |
| 14:53.04 | karlpinc | ayambit: (But I've not dug around in grub2 so I may be out of date.) |
| 14:53.22 | ayambit | karlpinc: as I know this procedure works all right. |
| 14:53.42 | wols | ayambit: can you use less "enter" and more "?" please? |
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| 14:54.54 | karlpinc | wols: So is sylpheed more stable and I might have problems with claws? I'd guess not, except for newer features I probably don't care about. But I'd hate to have to keep switching. |
| 14:55.05 | ayambit | wols: I'm afraid to sound dumb but I didn't understood. |
| 14:55.15 | karlpinc | !tell ayambit about enter |
| 14:55.37 | karlpinc | ayambit: It's a channel netiqutte thing. |
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| 14:56.31 | ayambit | Acknowledged, won't do this wrong again. |
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| 14:58.28 | Bushmills | karlpinc: claws is pretty stable. there was a problem some time ago which caused truncation of folderlist, which was easy to work around because claws kept a backup of folderlist |
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| 15:00.11 | Murka | can i have a little help here with partitions? |
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| 15:00.24 | karlpinc | Bushmills: I guess I'll give it a go. It reads mbox and maildir in ~/mail/? |
| 15:00.38 | Bushmills | (rather than starting claws-mail directly, you invoked a script which tested folderlist size, and copied the backup list if it was broken, before calling the renamed claws executable) |
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| 15:00.51 | Bushmills | st like this: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1308149978595154961d.png |
| 15:00.54 | karlpinc | Murka: Just ask. |
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| 15:01.42 | karlpinc | Bushmills: So long as it works in squeeze I don't care. |
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| 15:03.40 | wols | karlpinc: long time ago I used claws or sylpheed. never found a problem myself |
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| 15:04.42 | karlpinc | wols: Jolly good. Thanks. I guess I'll just dive in. (Looks like there's more than just a dir of mboxes and maildirs though, from Bushmill's paste. *sigh*) |
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| 15:06.01 | Murka | I installed debian 6 on PATA 80 GB WD and now I'm trying to point my system into second SATA Seagate disk. it recognized as /dev/sdb, but it have 9 partitions which are not recognized (no sdb1,sdb2...) |
| 15:06.39 | karlpinc | Murka: You want to move your install from one disk to the other? |
| 15:06.41 | Bushmills | Murka: fdisk -l /dev/sdb shows no partitions? |
| 15:06.41 | wols | Murka: what data is on these partitions? |
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| 15:08.09 | Murka | fdisk -l and cfdisk show all partitions |
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| 15:08.39 | wols | Murka: if fdisk show them then they are recognized |
| 15:08.40 | Bushmills | what file system do those partitions carry? |
| 15:08.49 | Murka | all ext3 |
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| 15:09.51 | Murka | thay may be recognized but I can't mount them |
| 15:10.43 | Murka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:11.00 | secretary_linux | what does fdisk -l show you? |
| 15:11.33 | secretary_linux | Murka: you do not see device names in the output of disk -l /dev/sdb ? |
| 15:11.53 | Murka | yes |
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| 15:12.29 | thewanderer1 | Murka: if your issue is the lack of device nodes in /dev, install parted and run `partprobe` - files should appear |
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| 15:14.03 | Murka | thank you , but after reboot device nodes disappear again |
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| 15:14.26 | thewanderer1 | that's highly unlikely |
| 15:15.18 | Murka | when i reboot i have /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2/dev/sda3 /dev/sda5 /dev/sda6 /dev/sdb |
| 15:15.58 | thewanderer1 | what does `cat /proc/partitions` say after the said reboot? |
| 15:16.33 | savid | Hi, I wanted to set up autocomplete for certain hostnames that I use a lot for ssh and scp. I have it working for ssh, but when I set it up for scp, local directory completion doesn't work for scp any more. The completion command I used was this: complete -W "$(echo `cat ~/.config/hosts-autocomplete`;)" ssh scp . |
| 15:16.40 | savid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.40 | Murka | same as in my previous post |
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| 15:18.42 | Murka | it sees only /dev/sdb, after partprobe it sees sdb partitions, but only temporary |
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| 15:22.15 | Murka | by the way during installation debian also was unable to mount any of SATA partitions |
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| 15:22.52 | thewanderer1 | hm, maybe the disk is in some kind of weird locked state up to N seconds after boot? |
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| 15:23.24 | Murka | it worked fine with debian 5 |
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| 15:24.18 | Murka | the problem occurred after upgrade |
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| 15:27.15 | wols | Murka: did you upgrade or did you install debian 6? |
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| 15:28.06 | LordDoskias | hello, i've installed java6-runtimes and when i try to run java -version I get "Could not reserve enough space for object heap" |
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| 15:28.43 | wols | LordDoskias: are you inside a VPS? |
| 15:28.45 | Murka | i installed debian |
| 15:28.46 | LordDoskias | yes |
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| 15:29.00 | dubphil | Murka: congrats :) |
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| 15:30.18 | thewanderer1 | Murka: let's see if it might be timing-related... try a kexec reboot (apt-get install kexec-tools) |
| 15:30.30 | LordDoskias | wols: i get failure on privvmpages |
| 15:30.37 | LordDoskias | (running inside openvz) |
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| 15:31.26 | Murka | <thewanderer1>, thank you i'll try it :) |
| 15:32.18 | wols | LordDoskias: maybe specify a smaller initial and maximum heap? |
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| 15:32.34 | LordDoskias | you mean -Xmx and -Xms? |
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| 15:33.36 | wols | yes |
| 15:34.08 | LordDoskias | i tried with as low as -Xmx16m and no success |
| 15:34.09 | LordDoskias | Mem: 1048576k total, 531008k used, 517568k free, |
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| 15:34.23 | LordDoskias | i should have plenty of memory |
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| 15:35.10 | Murka | can you explain a little more which option should i use with kexec |
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| 15:35.53 | karlpinc | Murka: Based on my reading if you install and say yes to the debconf question then it will run kexec when you type "reboot". |
| 15:36.14 | karlpinc | Murka: And you don't need to worry about the details yourself. |
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| 15:39.56 | thewanderer1 | Murka: yes, using the 'reboot' command, which should start the kernel using kexec |
| 15:40.00 | karlpinc | Murka: Apparently that's what thewanderer1 suggests. But using kexec means you don't reinitialize the hardware in bios so that's taken out of the equation. |
| 15:40.19 | thewanderer1 | yup, that's my intention |
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| 15:41.24 | Murka | ok, thank you, nice people, hope it will help |
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| 15:42.23 | gsr | Hi all. I'm running debian 6, with postgresql 8.4. I can connect to the daemon locally, but when I try to from my other computer, I get the standard "connection refused" error. I have cleared all IP tables rules from the machine, and added "host all all 192.168.2.1/32 md5" to pg_hba.conf. Am I missing something? |
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| 15:43.06 | gsr | both machines having IP addresses in the 192.168.2.1-255 range. |
| 15:43.23 | Bushmills | gsr: use netstat to check that postgres has been bound to other interfaces than lo |
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| 15:44.12 | gsr | Bushmills: I'm not familiar with nc commands... how to I check that? |
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| 15:44.34 | Bushmills | i didn't say anything about nc. i suggested netstat |
| 15:44.41 | gsr | sorry, netstat |
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| 15:45.09 | stew | gsr: what do you have for "listen_addresses" in postgresql.conf |
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| 15:45.29 | Bushmills | gsr: i let you get familiar with netstat because that's an important diagnostic tool, rather than foonspeed you |
| 15:45.50 | stew | gsr: and also for "port" |
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| 15:47.34 | gsr | Bushmills: there's a difference between spoonfeeding a lecture and supplying a single command. that being said, I think you're right, since my host is only allowing tcp connectings to webmin and ssh (if I'm reading this right.). http://pastebin.com/QUzBMcR3 |
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| 15:48.26 | gsr | Stew: ahh, its commented out, saying "localhost". Thanks, I'll add my other host and try it again. |
| 15:48.31 | gsr | cheers! |
| 15:48.34 | stew | gsr: you want to add -lt to that you are seeing services LISTENing on TCP |
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| 15:49.47 | LordDoskias | is there any particular reason why scp -i keyfile.pem user@blah works when i execute it from a remote host with a user, different than the user on the 'blah' host |
| 15:49.53 | Murka | sdb partitions didn't appear |
| 15:50.02 | LordDoskias | but using ssh -i keyfile.pem user@blah 'ls' doesn;t |
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| 15:54.26 | Murka | guys i'm sorry for bugging you with this question , i just don't know where to ask anymore |
| 15:55.40 | Murka | and i don't want install lenny again |
| 15:55.59 | Justin | Murka: pastebin dmesg output |
| 15:56.05 | Justin | Murka: and lspci |
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| 15:57.10 | shundake | Hello there! |
| 15:57.15 | Bushmills | Murka: do those partitions contain valuable data? |
| 15:57.36 | shundake | Somebody know how may I install the shc on debian squeeze? |
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| 15:58.12 | Murka | yes and only system that can't see them is debian 6 |
| 15:58.16 | Bushmills | ,versions shc |
| 15:58.18 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'shc' was found in i386. |
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| 15:59.13 | xreal | I want to create a ramdisk/ramdrive not using tmpfs. In past, there was /dev/ram0 - where has it gone? |
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| 16:00.17 | shundake | judd: Hum.. even it's i686? |
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| 16:01.09 | wols | shundake: what is "shc"? |
| 16:01.17 | wols | sorry: "the shc" |
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| 16:01.28 | democracy | ***GENERAL STRIKE 6/15, 6/22, 6/29/11***SOLIDARITY*** |
| 16:01.39 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
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| 16:02.17 | wols | who cares. we go on strike! |
| 16:02.18 | sylar | hi |
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| 16:02.56 | sylar | I am trying to use gnome baker cd/dvd but it doesn't show my cd drive there |
| 16:03.05 | Bushmills | small hadron collider? |
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| 16:04.42 | Bushmills | sylar: wodim scan shows it? |
| 16:04.43 | shundake | wols: shc is a compiling shell script to binary http://www.rootninja.com/shc-compiler-to-compile-bash-shell-scripts-into-binary/ |
| 16:05.10 | Murka | anyway, thanks everybody |
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| 16:06.21 | Bushmills | shundake: you'd read the installation instructions on that site, or in the archive |
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| 16:07.20 | shundake | Bushmills: I searched into the apt .. and didn't found >.< |
| 16:07.36 | Bushmills | (17:58:18) judd: Sorry, no package named 'shc' was found in i386. <- |
| 16:07.45 | Bushmills | that package isn't part of debian |
| 16:08.03 | shundake | Bushmills: Yeah, I saw it. |
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| 16:08.25 | Bushmills | you'd read the installation instructions on that site, or in the archive |
| 16:08.54 | shundake | Bushmills: But I need this.. And when I used the etch, I'd installed it one time... |
| 16:08.54 | Bushmills | if there aren't any, you bug the packager or developer to provide some |
| 16:09.34 | Bushmills | needing it, and reading instruction aren't mutually exclusive |
| 16:09.42 | shundake | Bushmills: Hum... I'll try to find some tar package of it... |
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| 16:11.01 | Bushmills | i remember some similar program, i think it was bashcomp - which was more a kind of obfuscator than a compiler |
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| 16:12.39 | shundake | Bushmills: Hum... I never heard about it |
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| 16:20.36 | sylar | Bushmills, no wodim scan don't find it |
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| 16:21.00 | sylar | Bushmills, I don't see it at the nautilus "compter" view |
| 16:21.18 | sylar | which log should show connections of USB stuff? messages? |
| 16:21.27 | abrotman | varlogmessages |
| 16:21.36 | sylar | k |
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| 16:22.20 | Requia | I get a grub_divmod64_full not found error and dump to grub recovery after updating to the lastest testing, it looks like a dpkg-reconfigure on grup-pc will fix this once I get into debian, but I can't get in in the first place, the instructions I found don't work (whenever I run insmod I get the same error) |
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| 16:22.51 | homie | Requia: the same like me, i reinstalled the old one.... |
| 16:22.54 | systemclient | I am running apt-cacher-ng on ubuntu and try to install packages in debian stable. I can install cmatrix and indent, but not kde-standard or astyle or kdm. Does that make any sense? |
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| 16:23.06 | systemclient | I get 503 cache storage error from the apt-cacher-ng |
| 16:23.23 | homie | Requia: and moreover some libc symbols are not found toooo..in gcc and malloc stuff.... |
| 16:23.36 | homie | Requia: sounds pesky |
| 16:23.38 | Murka | [ 1.586883] sdb: sda1 < sda5 sda6 > sda2 sda3 can anyone tell me what this kernel message says |
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| 16:23.42 | Requia | homie: how did you even get to that point/ |
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| 16:24.00 | Requia | Murka: Those are a partitions on your hard drive |
| 16:24.13 | homie | Requia: got the grub2 on the lastest upgrade or update installed..... |
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| 16:24.33 | Requia | homie: Ok, what do I do about it/ |
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| 16:24.51 | Murka | but why in that order? |
| 16:24.55 | homie | Requia: install the grub from the recovery session with a cd or so |
| 16:25.15 | Requia | thats not possible at the moment |
| 16:25.23 | Requia | I really need to be able to use the grub recovery |
| 16:25.28 | homie | well, then later ? |
| 16:25.36 | homie | i mean you have to somehow.... |
| 16:25.47 | Requia | then what is the grub recovery for |
| 16:26.24 | homie | well it can recover not much i think.... |
| 16:26.42 | homie | at least i don't know anything of grub2's shell functions |
| 16:26.56 | homie | there is even no comnpletion there...like in grub |
| 16:27.37 | homie | you can try to reinstall if you know the commands i assume, but i don't think that will fix things.....if you are lucky maybe.... |
| 16:28.29 | homie | normally the mbr has to be updated....and it is required that it is done externally somehow i remember.... |
| 16:28.38 | Requia | I just need to get into debian once, I can reinstall from there |
| 16:28.47 | jhutchins_lt | Requia: Testing is supported in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 16:28.48 | homie | so you boot into a recovery cd and reinstall grub from there again....afaik |
| 16:28.58 | Requia | jhutchins_lt: Thanks |
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| 16:31.37 | willybear | Hi |
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| 16:33.26 | Requia | anybody have a workaround (can't install anything, this box isn't mine) |
| 16:33.57 | epsilon | is shred using random rata to overwrite for whole device? Where is the random data coming so fast? |
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| 16:34.22 | Requia | nvermind |
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| 16:35.12 | willybear | I'm installing Debian Wheezy in a macbook. I've been following the instructions in the wiki page but once I reboot and choose Linux in Refit, Grub is blank, just the 'GRUB' at the top and nothing else on the screen |
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| 16:35.54 | jhutchins_lt | willybear: Too bad you're not using stable, we might be able to help. |
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| 16:36.36 | willybear | jhutchins_lt so might I try installing stable and later, if it fits, switch to testing? |
| 16:37.25 | wwkd | So i have an install of openbox, does anyone know where the config is that defines the trackpad shortcuts? for example, I want to remove the scrolling on a title bar that minimizes that window |
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| 16:39.52 | nkuttler | wwkd: huh? |
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| 16:40.14 | nkuttler | ~/.config/openbox fwiw, and #openbox |
| 16:40.29 | wwkd | I have some trackpad shortcuts. So when i scroll two fingers it swaps desktops |
| 16:40.32 | wwkd | i'll check that out |
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| 16:40.44 | wwkd | also when i hover on a title bar and scroll down it minimizes the window. really annoying |
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| 16:41.50 | mauve_alert1 | Dumb newbie question: what options do I have, when setting up a LAMP server, for making it possible for the server to send mail? |
| 16:42.04 | nkuttler | mauve_alert1: debian's default is exim |
| 16:42.23 | mauve_alert1 | thanks |
| 16:42.26 | pipeline | mauve_alert1: Sending mail is a disaster. What you really want is a smarthost from your isp, through which you can relay 100% of mail |
| 16:42.46 | mauve_alert1 | what is a smarthost? |
| 16:42.48 | pipeline | mauve_alert1: any mail package can be configured to do dumb relaying through a smarthost. Exim is the default. Postfix is a simple alternative. |
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| 16:43.08 | pipeline | mauve_alert1: a smarthost is a mail relay that makse all the decisions for you -- i.e. your local mta doesn't send any mail to anywhere else |
| 16:43.18 | wwkd | sweet, that file did have the settings i needed |
| 16:43.22 | wwkd | thanks nkuttler |
| 16:43.26 | nkuttler | mauve_alert1: yeah, sending mail is one of the more complex tasks on a server. using a smarthost is probably a good idea |
| 16:43.39 | mauve_alert1 | I cound an exim wiki http://wiki.exim.org/ |
| 16:43.54 | nkuttler | mauve_alert1: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 16:44.02 | nkuttler | and just pick smarthost and enter the correct data |
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| 16:47.33 | mauve_alert1 | thanks nkuttler |
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| 16:48.58 | foozle | Help! I'm in the middle of an upgrade from lenny to squeeze, and bug #607080 is stopping me dead. |
| 16:49.28 | twobitsprite | correct me if I'm wrong, but "sudo -iu someuser" is identical in function to "sudo su - someuser" except that you don't need a special case "(root) su - someuser" command in the sudoers, right? |
| 16:49.32 | foozle | The OP says his local system was at fault, but doesn't mention what the fault was. Any ideas? |
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| 16:52.42 | skamikaze | foozle: you can try to reedit your sources list towards lenny, downgrade completly and retry |
| 16:52.50 | skamikaze | or if you got a seperate home reinstall |
| 16:53.01 | skamikaze | foozle: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44679 should run on debian too |
| 16:54.03 | foozle | skamikaze: Thanks, but I don't see how doding the same thing another time would change anything |
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| 16:55.03 | jhutchins_lt | Seriously, why can't X detect keyboard activity and lock out mouse clicks? |
| 16:55.06 | systemclient | how can I find out from which section (main contrib) a package is? |
| 16:55.25 | skamikaze | foozle: if you got some custom repository stuff installed it downgrades evrything to original dependencies |
| 16:55.34 | skamikaze | if not - don't downgrade |
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| 16:55.49 | foozle | skamikaze: Nothing custom here, I checked the packages before starting the upgrade |
| 16:56.07 | skamikaze | got a link to the bugreport? |
| 16:56.19 | foozle | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607080 |
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| 16:58.10 | skamikaze | foozle: same on reinstalling python? |
| 16:58.41 | foozle | skamikaze: Tried a dozne times, deleted the deb, downloaded again, changed mirrors, checked md5sums |
| 16:58.49 | systemclient | how can I find out from which section (main contrib) a package is? |
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| 16:59.20 | kyperf | systemclient: searching it on debian webpage |
| 16:59.39 | systemclient | kyperf: where do I find the info? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/indent |
| 16:59.43 | stew | systemclient: if it is installed "dpkg -s packagename" would list it in the "Section:" |
| 17:00.09 | stew | systemclient: if not installed you can use "apt-cache show packagename" to get the Section |
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| 17:00.40 | stew | systemclient: or perhaps "aptitude -F%s search packagename" |
| 17:00.42 | systemclient | stew: it says "devel" but I rather want to see whether if comes from main or contrib or non-free |
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| 17:00.49 | kyperf | but he wants search it out of the system... |
| 17:00.54 | kyperf | ¿ |
| 17:00.59 | skamikaze | foozle: maybe try to " sudo dpkg --configure -a --force all " |
| 17:01.04 | Justin | foozle: you likely have a corrupt python script in /usr/lib/python2.6/ that didn't come with python |
| 17:01.09 | avernos | is there a group called admin ? i dont if is gone or if there isnt a admin group |
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| 17:01.15 | stew | systemclient: yes, "main" is implied. if it were contrib/non-free it would be "contrib/devel" or "non-free/devel" |
| 17:01.32 | systemclient | stew: ah, that explains it. thanks |
| 17:01.53 | stew | --force-all? why on earth?!? |
| 17:02.28 | Justin | foozle: ah actually, it only compiles the scripts that ship with python, but you can still figure out which one it is |
| 17:03.09 | stew | oh, --force all? that's just broken |
| 17:03.50 | Justin | foozle: for x in /usr/lib/python2.6/*.py;do echo $x ;python2.6 /usr/lib/python2.6/py_compile.py $x;done |
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| 17:06.15 | systemclient | is there any reason for my apt-cacher-ng to be able to handle "indent" (http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/indent) but not "astyle" (http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/astyle)? |
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| 17:06.28 | foozle | Justin: Thanks! |
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| 17:07.25 | skamikaze | stew: why? i'm on arch atm so i just typed as i remembered |
| 17:07.45 | stew | skamikaze: what exactly are you hoping to force? |
| 17:08.20 | stew | --force-arch? --force-downgrade? |
| 17:08.27 | stew | or is this just a random guess? |
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| 17:08.43 | skamikaze | stew: i hoped that would reconfigure python too |
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| 17:09.19 | skamikaze | if it's wrong it's cool you corrected me ;) |
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| 17:09.25 | stew | skamikaze: note, from the dpkg manpage: "Warning: These options are mostly intended to be used by experts only. Using them without fully understanding their effects may break your whole system." |
| 17:10.04 | stew | it was already trying to reconfigure python wihtout having to force it to do anything |
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| 17:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | !arch |
| 17:10.40 | dpkg | it has been said that arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Under lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 17:10.49 | stew | jhutchins_lt: you can /msg the bot |
| 17:10.57 | skamikaze | if i remember right you can ignore some warnings then - that's why i suggested that |
| 17:10.59 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Amazng! |
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| 17:11.21 | skamikaze | s/arch/archlinux - just for you Justin :> |
| 17:12.32 | foozle | skamikaze: That's a dangerous kind of half-knowlegde you have there. |
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| 17:12.59 | foozle | Justin: Tanks again. I was able to figure out that something was wrong with debconf, and a reinstall of debconf fixed it |
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| 17:13.52 | skamikaze | foozle: that reconfigure saved my system twice yet - believe it or not |
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| 17:14.00 | skamikaze | may be wrong in that case - just tried to help -yay |
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| 17:14.03 | skamikaze | blame me more |
| 17:14.41 | foozle | skamikaze: I understand, and thanks for that. However, your advice could have been very destructive if things went wrong. |
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| 17:14.58 | kaiojima | Hi, I'm wanting to switch one of my servers to debian due to instability with the current distribution I'm running. What should I be using in a situation where stability is #1 concern? |
| 17:15.17 | Justin | kaiojima: stable |
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| 17:15.21 | kaiojima | Rather, is there anything special I should be doing? |
| 17:15.35 | stew | kaiojima: the current debian stable is "squeeze" aka 6.0 |
| 17:15.48 | skamikaze | foozle: your system was already in a destructive state - and if you got no backups you should never try to fix a livesystem |
| 17:15.49 | jhutchins_lt | kaiojima: I think you will be very pleased with Debian stable. |
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| 17:16.06 | kaiojima | I heard that I should only install security updates, but I'm not very familiar with aptitude (mostly I know pacman and yum) |
| 17:16.13 | kaiojima | so I'm searching for a guide on how to do that |
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| 17:16.30 | stew | kaiojima: yes, debian stable, once it is released, only typically gets security updates |
| 17:16.38 | kaiojima | Ah so it is by default? |
| 17:16.42 | stew | yes |
| 17:16.55 | kaiojima | Okay. That sounds perfect, then. Thank you! |
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| 17:17.53 | kaiojima | And also, is it recommended to use the net installer or the static ISO? |
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| 17:18.20 | stew | kaiojima: the netinst, as long as you can get the machine on the internet with a debian kernel |
| 17:18.29 | kaiojima | That should be fine then. |
| 17:18.34 | kaiojima | Thank you for the information. :-) |
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| 17:24.26 | mauve_alert1 | I've moved a wordpress site from godaddy.com to my own LAMP server. Permalinks are broken. Since the server install is new, it could be that Iddidn't install something that would allow the rewrite mod to work. Am I close? |
| 17:25.05 | jordanm | mauve_alert1: did you change the domain name? |
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| 17:25.22 | rfx_ | hi |
| 17:25.30 | jordanm | mauve_alert1: what version of debian? |
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| 17:26.23 | rfx_ | can anyone recommend a root debian server hosting in north america, east region is preferred. |
| 17:26.24 | Mmike | When I fiddle with /etc/cron.*/ files (adding stuff, removing stuff), I need to reload crond, right? :) |
| 17:26.25 | rfx_ | ? |
| 17:26.33 | Justin | Mmike: no |
| 17:27.00 | Mmike | Justin, heh. I've just placed a script to /etc/cron.hourly that does just: echo `date` >> /tmp/mylog.log |
| 17:27.01 | jordanm | rfx_: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
| 17:27.02 | Mmike | and no log is created |
| 17:27.13 | rfx_ | jordanm: awesome, thanks! |
| 17:27.45 | Justin | mauve_alert1: a2enmod rewrite |
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| 17:30.31 | jordanm | Mmike: have a look at /etc/crontab and you will see how cron.hourly is executed |
| 17:30.35 | jhutchins_lt | Mmike: What if you run the file from the command line? |
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| 17:31.20 | Mmike | jhutchins_lt, works ok. But I just learned I'm not allowed to have dots in my filenames in /etc/cron.hourly/ |
| 17:31.56 | Mmike | "If neither the --lsbsysinit option nor the --regex option is given then the names must consist entirely of upper and lower case |
| 17:31.56 | Mmike | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.56 | Mmike | " |
| 17:31.59 | Mmike | from the man of run-parts |
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| 17:32.47 | jhutchins_lt | Mmike: Good work! |
| 17:33.30 | mauve_alert1 | jordanm - i did change the domain name in the mysql database and in wp settings |
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| 17:33.44 | mauve_alert1 | jordanm the debian version is lenny |
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| 17:42.34 | Bushmills | Mmike: why not date >> ... ? |
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| 17:45.30 | Bop | E: Broken packages |
| 17:45.35 | Bop | how do i solve this error ? |
| 17:45.44 | Mmike | Bushmills, heh :) good one :) |
| 17:45.56 | Bushmills | Bop: determine the reason why they're broken |
| 17:46.15 | Bop | i dont even know why they are broken |
| 17:46.23 | Bushmills | neither do we |
| 17:46.32 | Bop | ok , gona post log |
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| 17:47.50 | Bop | Bushmills, http://pastebin.com/ypkhg04s |
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| 17:49.09 | abrotman | Bop: aptitude update; aptitude install moodle |
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| 17:51.18 | Bop | abrotman, done that, same |
| 17:51.35 | abrotman | Bop: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 17:52.22 | Bop | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/RArUetLn |
| 17:54.08 | Bop | its distro broken , right |
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| 17:55.59 | JyZyXEL | how do i know if my CPU has amd64 support? |
| 17:56.04 | Bushmills | Bop: try aptitude interactively, then find moodle, and select for installation. see whether aptitude conflict management can help you |
| 17:56.13 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: cat /proc/cpuinfo .. look for the lm mode |
| 17:56.46 | jhutchins | abrotman: Does that show up on a 32b kernel? |
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| 17:56.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:57.04 | Andorin | If I want to install ffmpeg on Squeeze, do these instructions look like they'll do it? http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Installing_svn_ffmpeg_on_a_Debian_based_distro |
| 17:57.05 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: you mean "lm mode" or "lm" |
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| 17:57.11 | jonez | greetings. I need to configure an ethernet interface via dhcp, but I want to use my own /etc/resolv.conf file. how do I do that? |
| 17:57.24 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: in the 'flags' section, it will have an 'lm' |
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| 17:57.34 | Bushmills | jonez: configure your dhcp client to not request name servers |
| 17:57.35 | karlpinc | Andorin: Try "/msg dpkg dmm" and "/msg dpkg overview" for better options. |
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| 17:57.38 | JyZyXEL | that means the CPU supports amd64? |
| 17:57.41 | abrotman | jonez: look at the conf file for the dhcp client |
| 17:57.44 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 17:58.07 | jhutchins | abrotman: Cool, that works |
| 17:59.12 | karlpinc | !tell jonez about override dns |
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| 18:00.21 | Andorin | karlpinc: Thanks |
| 18:00.29 | jonez | ok, lemme try a couple of those things. ty karlpinc and Bushmills |
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| 18:02.45 | gynter | Hello, I have a problem while trying to make-kpkg kernel modules: http://pastebin.com/4z9yftF1 |
| 18:03.03 | gynter | fakeroot make-kpkg modules_image just prints this out (^) and does nothing more |
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| 18:03.42 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: does that take into consideration if x86-64 has been disabled for power saving? |
| 18:03.53 | JyZyXEL | in the factory |
| 18:04.12 | Bop | Bushmills, aptitude interactive is way to confusing |
| 18:04.32 | Bop | there's packages i've deleted , and says it will installed again , dont know why |
| 18:04.43 | Bop | doesnt make sense to me |
| 18:04.58 | Justin | Bop: heh, I've been saying the same things for years :) |
| 18:05.00 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: this is what the CPU reports, no more no less - if it says lm, it claims to support lm, and you have no means of testing whether it actually works other than trying long mode |
| 18:05.07 | wols | JyZyXEL: "lm" means the cpu advertises "I can do x86-64". if this is wrong, you have a buggy cpu |
| 18:05.09 | Bop | its shit |
| 18:05.34 | wols | JyZyXEL: btw, "power saving"? the only reason is market differentiation. nothing else |
| 18:06.02 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: NFC |
| 18:06.28 | mauve_alert1 | I have a new LAMP server that's running a wordpress site moved over from Godaddy.com. Clean URL's aren't working. I ran 'a2enmod rewrite' and restarted apache, still busted. |
| 18:06.31 | JyZyXEL | no i think they physically cut the power from sections that are only needed for x86-64? |
| 18:06.43 | JyZyXEL | and that way make it use less power for laptop use |
| 18:06.48 | wols | JyZyXEL: no |
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| 18:06.59 | wols | which cpu would that be btw? |
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| 18:07.04 | JyZyXEL | N330 |
| 18:07.31 | JyZyXEL | Intel Atom N330 |
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| 18:07.59 | thewanderer1 | I don't see how cutting power from a few registers could possibly save significant amounts of power |
| 18:08.18 | wols | well, market differentiation. btw, N330 does support amd64 |
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| 18:09.50 | JyZyXEL | i have two N330's here other has lm flag and one in the laptop doesn't |
| 18:09.54 | wols | thewanderer1: it doesn't. it's a bit more than a few registers, typically said to be 5% of the x86 chip. however: it's all over the chip. I mean the register is the same since it is a 64bit register. if you simply clip the high bits, you cannot really turn these high bits off. same for data paths, etc. 32 and 64bit transistors are side by side, since 64bit simply widens x86 |
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| 18:10.41 | wols | JyZyXEL: ah yes. atom 330 is 2 single core dies. and since the n270 for notebooks has no 64bit capability, so neither does the N330. was thinking of D330 |
| 18:10.55 | wols | 2 single core dies on one cpu package that is |
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| 18:12.35 | JyZyXEL | but im guessing since the desktop with N330 is advertising 'lm' flag it has to support amd64 |
| 18:13.07 | wols | yes. they always did. and it'S D330. different chip. laptop cpus are N, dekstop atoms are D |
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| 18:13.37 | JyZyXEL | ohh |
| 18:14.26 | wols | interesting. the desktop parts are simply named "Atom 330" according to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors |
| 18:14.31 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 18:14.41 | JyZyXEL | cpuinfo says "Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz" |
| 18:15.00 | wols | then both should be the same :( you should check ark.intel.com |
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| 18:16.58 | thewanderer1 | ark.intel.com doesn't actually know nor recognize N330 |
| 18:17.27 | thewanderer1 | I have an Atom 330 here (desktop board) and it's running Squeeze amd64, by the way |
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| 18:20.12 | wols | JyZyXEL: eeePC 1201N is a atom 330 based netbook. according to google it does do amd64. people install debian amd64 on it |
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| 18:26.07 | ghoose10 | hi, I want to rename all files in a folder from "*[01][0-9]*" to "[01][0-9]*" (basically, just remove the part before the 2 numbers). I guess that one doesn't work: for file in *[01][0-9]*; do mv "$file" "[01][0-9]*"; done you know what? |
| 18:26.51 | Justin | ghoose10: not only does it not work, it deletes all your files but the last one |
| 18:27.25 | ghoose10 | Justin: puh, fortunately I did not execute it :) |
| 18:27.50 | Justin | ghoose10: the rename tool can do what you want |
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| 18:28.24 | ghoose10 | Justin: So it's not possible with bash scripting and mv? |
| 18:28.50 | TheAvatar | A good and easy harddisk benchmark tool (MB/s read/write) - hdparm -tT or is there something better? |
| 18:28.51 | Justin | it might be possible using base parameter expansion, but at that point you would be better off using rename |
| 18:29.00 | Justin | TheAvatar: define disk benchmark |
| 18:29.43 | Justin | ghoose10: rename -n 's/.*([01][0-9].+)/\1/' *[01][0-9]* |
| 18:29.48 | Justin | ghoose10: does that print the right thing? |
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| 18:29.57 | stew | ghoose10: its certainly possible with bash scripting and mv, but you'd have to loop over every file |
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| 18:30.30 | TheAvatar | Justin, MB/s read/write.. |
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| 18:30.54 | Justin | TheAvatar: sequential read/write? random read/write ? |
| 18:31.10 | ghoose10 | Justin: are you sure that one works that you wrote? |
| 18:31.41 | bs0d | Good day everybody. Where can I find manpages for gcc, cpp ld and other stuff? I googled, they say gcc-4.1-doc but there is no such package found on synaptic |
| 18:31.48 | Justin | ghoose10: that's what the -n is for |
| 18:31.50 | ghoose10 | ah, the -n command does not operform a thing |
| 18:31.52 | ghoose10 | sry |
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| 18:32.05 | TheAvatar | Justin, I want to test NAS speeds (hdparm is no good) |
| 18:32.13 | TheAvatar | so - I want to test what speeds I can push through - random/seq whatever |
| 18:32.24 | TheAvatar | just a reliable test I can test on multiple boxes to compare |
| 18:32.36 | Justin | TheAvatar: dd can test sequential IO. otherwise look at things like bonnie,dbench, etc |
| 18:33.13 | TheAvatar | Justin, dd, creating a file with dd would be enough to test the speed? |
| 18:33.20 | TheAvatar | e.g. creating a 10GB file on each |
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| 18:33.51 | Justin | TheAvatar: the 'enough' part is up to you, but it would test the speed that you can write to the disk at |
| 18:34.05 | ghoose10 | Justin: yes, it renames the files how I want it to. Btw. it says, after every line, "\1 better written as $1 at (eval 2) line 1." |
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| 18:34.42 | TheAvatar | Justin, sounds like it is worth a shot - I just meant it doesnt "cheat" like, not really creating the entire file byte by byte |
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| 18:34.50 | thomax | sighs |
| 18:34.57 | TheAvatar | e.g., if you make a thin provisioned image fx |
| 18:35.01 | Justin | ghoose10: oh, so put $1 |
| 18:35.24 | TheAvatar | Justin, I'll give it a shot, else I'll try one of the others, thanks |
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| 18:35.34 | Pici | \ |
| 18:35.39 | thomax | i tried to update libc6 and now i have the problem that it can't be installed because of a segmentation violation |
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| 18:35.51 | ghoose10 | Justin: where? can you reprint the entire line? |
| 18:35.52 | Justin | TheAvatar: why did you do that? |
| 18:35.59 | thomax | i guess this is a well discussed issue these days |
| 18:36.02 | Justin | ghoose10: change the \1 to $1 like it says |
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| 18:36.47 | iluminator101 | I keep getting bandwidth exceeded from google while using icedove is this a bug or ???? |
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| 18:37.12 | bizarrefish | Hi, all. Anyone heard anything about an exploit by 'Opyum Team' ? |
| 18:37.23 | ghoose10 | Justin: yes, just works the way it should. Thanks :) |
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| 18:37.34 | bizarrefish | My linux box has been hacked apparently, and my crontab file is somehow screwed |
| 18:37.41 | bizarrefish | in that I can't actually modify it |
| 18:38.10 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i get my selections after an debian install so that i can generate an pre-seed file? |
| 18:38.31 | Tectu | okay, i am comming from Arch linux... there i can use the /etc/rc.conf to set the deamons and modules who will be started on boot... where can i do that on debian? |
| 18:39.27 | TheAvatar | Justin, I assume that last message wasn't for me |
| 18:39.30 | thomax | does anyone of you know the problem when update from libc6 2.11 to 2.13 ????? |
| 18:40.00 | Justin | TheAvatar: yeahh |
| 18:40.08 | Justin | thomax: why did you try to upgrade libc6? |
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| 18:40.20 | TheAvatar | ah kk, thought so |
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| 18:40.34 | thomax | Justin: because of side dependencies |
| 18:40.39 | cahoot | Tectu, man update-rc.d |
| 18:40.47 | Tectu | thank you, cahoot! |
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| 18:42.14 | thomax | sighs deeply |
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| 18:44.02 | Tectu | okay, i got it working with the update-rc.d thank you very much, cahoot! |
| 18:44.02 | wols | !tell thomax about bobbitt |
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| 18:44.39 | wols | thomax: what exactly is segfaulting? |
| 18:45.36 | DebianNub | Howy folks. |
| 18:45.46 | thomax | wols: i'm not sure but i think it's ar from the binutils (i tried dpkg -D777 but even this didn't give clear info) |
| 18:45.46 | chipotle | how do i properly remove an init.d script from debian, and make sure it is done properly? |
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| 18:46.42 | DebianNub | I've just installed squeeze without a gdm and am having issues getting aptitude/apt to update. It's not resolving any of the sources. |
| 18:46.56 | DebianNub | I've googled to no avail |
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| 18:47.03 | thomax | chipotle: why remove an script from init.d ? they didn't get called, but those in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 18:47.32 | chipotle | thomax: because i don't need it anymore... how do i check to see if it's in etc/rc.d? |
| 18:47.35 | wols | chipotle: via update-rc.d for example. or use rcconf, probably easier to use |
| 18:47.45 | chipotle | wols: how do i use rcconf? |
| 18:47.47 | thomax | DebianNub: have you added a repository to /etc/apt/source.list |
| 18:47.54 | Justin | chipotle: purge the package that installed the init script |
| 18:48.01 | wols | chipotle: why don't you just purge your displaymanager? |
| 18:48.02 | DebianNub | yes, I commented out the cd and added non-free |
| 18:48.11 | wols | chipotle: then it will remove files like this |
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| 18:48.28 | wols | DebianNub: show us the exact error |
| 18:48.28 | thomax | DebianNub: not only non-free but also main |
| 18:48.46 | wols | DebianNub: and your sources.list too |
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| 18:49.11 | DebianNub | thomax, let me grab that line I added |
| 18:49.35 | chipotle | Justin: apt-get remove --purge <package>? |
| 18:49.36 | wols | thomax: I mean what command are you running that then segfaults? |
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| 18:49.52 | wols | chipotle: no. it's already removed. you cannot remove it twice. apt-get purge <package> |
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| 18:50.00 | thomax | well it's a subsequent fork/exec in dpkg |
| 18:50.03 | DebianNub | thomax, dep http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 18:50.10 | thomax | wols: well it's a subsequent fork/exec in dpkg |
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| 18:50.12 | darknop | hello, is there any way I could find a build log for the ca-certificates package? |
| 18:50.28 | mauve_alert1 | how can i test to see whether apache2 is running the rewrite module? |
| 18:50.39 | wols | thomax: get a proper libc6 and copy it there instead of your current broken one? but it all depends what packages you installed from sid |
| 18:50.42 | darknop | I am trying to build ca-certificates for a non Debian based distro, and I was wondering if somebody would help me find the build log |
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| 18:50.59 | chipotle | wols: well, i made the init script myself, does that matter? |
| 18:51.07 | wols | darknop: there is no build log |
| 18:51.22 | darknop | Ignoring certificate "IPS Chained CAs root". SAUTH=CKT_NETSCAPE_TRUST_UNKNOWN, EPROT=CKT_NETSCAPE_TRUST_UNKNOWN |
| 18:51.27 | chipotle | wols: do i just delete the init script from /usr/bin/php-fastcgi, which i created? |
| 18:51.28 | darknop | what am I to make of that then? |
| 18:51.30 | DebianNub | wols, error is temprorary failure resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 18:51.38 | wols | chipotle: for gdm? and yes it does matter: if you didn't install it via dpkg then you have to remove it manually too, just like you installed in manually |
| 18:51.49 | darknop | all those messages come from "python certdata2pem.py" |
| 18:51.59 | chipotle | wols: gdm? it's a server |
| 18:52.08 | chipotle | wols: so once i delete the file, do i need to do anything else? |
| 18:52.09 | thomax | DebianNub: well, this line looks good. did you do a 'apt-cache update' already? |
| 18:52.29 | DebianNub | thomax, not as such, let me run that now |
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| 18:52.43 | thomax | DebianNub: ah, do you made an entry in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 18:52.53 | DebianNub | thomax, there is no resolv.conf |
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| 18:53.00 | thomax | DebianNub: or the dhcp client? |
| 18:53.02 | DebianNub | thomax, in /etc right? |
| 18:53.16 | thomax | DebianNub: yes, in /etc/ |
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| 18:53.22 | DebianNub | thomax, not sure bout how to do the dhcp client. |
| 18:53.33 | pickcoder | does anyone know what the directory name format is for the dump_skeleton method in Perl MIME::Parser |
| 18:53.34 | wols | chipotle: we don't know what you did so we don't know what else you need to do. there is no "properly" since you apparently did everything manually. only you know what you did so only you can know what you need to undo... |
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| 18:53.47 | DebianNub | thomax, ifconfig says I have a proper interface. At leat it seems so |
| 18:53.49 | thomax | DebianNub: try create one with the line: nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:54.02 | wols | DebianNub: ls -l /etc/resolv* |
| 18:54.07 | chipotle | wols: do i need to run update-rc.d after i delete the actual init scripts? |
| 18:54.13 | pickcoder | I can not find any references in the docs about what it is, much less if there is a reference variable I can use to know where it just unpacked a bunch of crap |
| 18:54.38 | wols | chipotle: again: we don't know. what did you do when you installed the script? |
| 18:54.38 | DebianNub | wols, no such file or dir |
| 18:54.41 | DebianNub | thomax, will do |
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| 18:54.51 | Bushmills | chipotle: you deleted /etc/init.d/gdm? |
| 18:54.52 | darknop | hmm...I think I need to port the debian postinst and postrm files over |
| 18:55.04 | chipotle | Bushmills: i'm not using gdm |
| 18:55.14 | wols | Bushmills: it's not about gdm. my mistake that. it's apparetnly about some self written init script |
| 18:55.15 | darknop | I believe that is the only thing I need to do |
| 18:55.26 | thomax | darknop: what do you mean? |
| 18:55.26 | Bushmills | ah |
| 18:55.33 | chipotle | wols: i did chmod +x /etc/init.d/php-fastcgi && update-rc.d php-fastcgi defaults && /etc/init.d/php-fastcgi start |
| 18:55.40 | chipotle | wols: so how do i reverse all of that (i don't know) |
| 18:55.43 | darknop | thomax: I'm porting the ca-certificates package to SliTaz |
| 18:55.51 | wols | well, then you need to use update-rc.d to remove it, yes |
| 18:56.03 | darknop | it has no ca-certificates package or anything like it, just openssl and gnutls |
| 18:56.10 | DebianNub | thomax, what should I do after creating that file? |
| 18:56.16 | thomax | darknop: ah, ok. |
| 18:56.20 | darknop | I can't get the freenode SSL certs to verify, so I have to port this over |
| 18:56.28 | wols | DebianNub: ping google.com and check if that works |
| 18:56.34 | thomax | DebianNub: try 'apt-get update' |
| 18:56.43 | chipotle | wols: and how do i remove it via update-rc.d? |
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| 18:57.00 | wols | chipotle: man update-rc.d it's basically the first line there |
| 18:57.00 | DebianNub | thomax, It's trying at least |
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| 18:57.37 | darknop | the cert I cannot find by searching the official certificate sites is the USERTrust one, and I believe that that one is in the ca-certificates package provided by Debian |
| 18:57.39 | chipotle | wols: update-rc.d -nf php-fastcgi remove says unknown option |
| 18:57.40 | DebianNub | thomax, but ultimately gets the resolv failure. Should I try another dns ip? |
| 18:58.03 | chipotle | got it |
| 18:58.04 | thomax | DebianNub: can you 'ping google.com' ? |
| 18:58.17 | Bushmills | DebianNub: what does your /etc/resolv.conf contain now? |
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| 18:58.51 | DebianNub | thomax, it shows unknown host after about 30 sec |
| 18:58.59 | wols | DebianNub: you should ping 209.85.148.103 instead. we already know resolving doesn't work |
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| 18:59.24 | thomax | he should ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:59.29 | thomax | :-) |
| 18:59.35 | DebianNub | Bushmills, just nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:59.38 | darknop | ah....this is simple enough: http://doc.slitaz.org/en:cookbook:receipt |
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| 19:00.00 | darknop | ok, thanks for the help guys, goodbye |
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| 19:00.17 | pipegeek | If 64-bit xen domU operation isn't supported in lenny (as suggested here: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen), what is the linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 kernel? |
| 19:00.29 | thomax | DebianNub: can you 'ping 8.8.8.8' ? |
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| 19:00.33 | DebianNub | thomax, pinging 8.8.8.8 is the same |
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| 19:00.56 | DebianNub | thomax, wait, destination unreachable on8.8.8.8 |
| 19:00.58 | wols | DebianNub: if you can't ping it you have not network access. what is your IP? |
| 19:00.59 | thomax | DebianNub: do you have a default route set? |
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| 19:01.25 | Bushmills | DebianNub: as root, do route -n , and look whether there's a line beginning with 0.0.0.0 |
| 19:01.37 | DebianNub | thomax, inet addr:192.168.1.2 |
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| 19:02.00 | DebianNub | Bushmills, yes |
| 19:02.15 | wols | DebianNub: ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:02.16 | thomax | DebianNub: this is you ip address, whats the ip address of the router? |
| 19:02.54 | DebianNub | wols, not reachable... it was a bit earlier but not now |
| 19:03.01 | DebianNub | thomax, no clue |
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| 19:03.27 | wols | DebianNub: route -n told you what your router's IP is |
| 19:03.32 | Bushmills | DebianNub: the second field in the 0.0.0.0 line should show your gateway ip addres |
| 19:03.45 | thomax | DebianNub: ok, pastebin the output of 'ifconfig -a' and 'netstat -rn' |
| 19:03.59 | wols | Bushmills: he won't. he has no network access there... |
| 19:03.59 | DebianNub | wols, 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:04.11 | DebianNub | gatgeway is 0.0.0.0 |
| 19:04.15 | thomax | ethernet cable plugged? |
| 19:04.19 | DebianNub | er genmask.. oops |
| 19:04.22 | DebianNub | yes |
| 19:04.43 | Bushmills | wols: why would he want to use google nameserver without network access? |
| 19:05.06 | wols | Bushmills: cause apt said it couldn't resolve ftp.us.debian.org... |
| 19:05.30 | wols | and he lacked a resolv.conf which he added by thomax' advice manually |
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| 19:05.49 | DebianNub | afk a sec guys |
| 19:05.51 | wols | DebianNub: do you use DHCP or static IPs? |
| 19:06.40 | thomax | well, anyone here updated libc6 2,11 to 2.13 without problems? |
| 19:07.03 | Bushmills | ii libc6 2.13-4 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:07.08 | Bushmills | testing |
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| 19:07.23 | thomax | Bushmills: from 2.11 ? |
| 19:07.27 | DebianNub | wols, It is dhcp but I always get the same ip anyway |
| 19:07.34 | mauve_alert | Hi - I need help with an apache2 setup on lenny. my wrodpress clean urls are screwed up. I'm new at this, can you help? |
| 19:07.54 | Bushmills | thomax: can't remember |
| 19:07.55 | DebianNub | thomax, I cannot pastebin since that pc is not connected |
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| 19:07.58 | thomax | DebianNub: does your dhcp server provide a nameserver? |
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| 19:08.17 | thomax | DebianNub: lol, right |
| 19:08.19 | DebianNub | thomax, it should |
| 19:08.48 | DebianNub | thomax, idea, just a sec |
| 19:08.57 | Bushmills | DebianNub: try dhclient eth1 (use your proper interface for eth1) |
| 19:09.53 | wols | thomax: you mixed stable and testing/sid. that is always a recipe for disaster. sooner or later |
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| 19:10.21 | wols | thomax: as I said, you should manually downgrade your stuff again. since you cannot use dpkg apparently, you need to copy the file by hand |
| 19:10.38 | DebianNub | Bushmills, cursor is sitting there as if it's trying to work on something |
| 19:11.05 | Bushmills | seems it can't find a dhcp server |
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| 19:11.24 | thomax | wols: no, it's unstable from the beginning (installation is years old) |
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| 19:11.31 | pickcoder | n/m it's output_dir under the parser object |
| 19:12.06 | DebianNub | Bushmills, cursor is back but still no love |
| 19:12.08 | wols | thomax: then all bets are off anyways :P unstable is named that for a reason. and yes many people did upgrade to 2.13. I upgraded recently from a version much older most probably |
| 19:12.36 | Bushmills | DebianNub: i think your connection to the router is broken |
| 19:12.53 | DebianNub | let me check the hardware again |
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| 19:13.02 | wols | DebianNub: unplug the cable and plug it back in. then check the kernel log what it says |
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| 19:13.15 | zykes- | anyone here that's got a preseed template for a server ? |
| 19:13.21 | wols | tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 19:13.23 | thomax | DebianNub: and watch the blinkenlights |
| 19:13.29 | wols | !tell zykes- about anyone |
| 19:13.44 | wols | if there are any blinkenlights |
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| 19:14.17 | DebianNub | thomax, I'm a geek and a tech, just not as familiar with deb and linux as I should be =D |
| 19:15.20 | thomax | DebianNub: do you have more than one ethernet card? |
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| 19:15.51 | DebianNub | thomax, no |
| 19:16.01 | thomax | anyway, i must go and fight with wget and dpkg.... |
| 19:16.03 | gnarface | hey guys is there non-free ati driver packages like the nvidia-kernel-* and nvidia-glx* stuff? |
| 19:16.13 | wols | DebianNub: are there lights for a connection on the router or switch? |
| 19:16.19 | pipeline | gnarface: apt-cache search fglrx |
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| 19:16.32 | DebianNub | wols, yes, therouter has connectivity |
| 19:16.34 | thomax | gnarface: ati is not very good supported. get a nvidia :-) |
| 19:16.34 | wols | !tell gnarface about fglrx |
| 19:16.37 | gnarface | pipeline: thanks |
| 19:16.49 | _Hero_ | hi all, I'm currently moving my system (spread across 2 40gb disks) onto a single 250gb disc, I have created clones of all my partitions onto the new disc and have reassigned them in fstab (this seems correct). However I cannot boot with this 250gb disc, grub runs fine, however I encounter 'ext4_lookup: deleted inode reference' after I select the OS in grub. It seems it may relate to linux itself not being able to find the disc it needs (the old 40gb one). I |
| 19:16.49 | _Hero_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.03 | wols | DebianNub: no I meant does the router have a LED at the switch to indicate a working ethernet connection to your PC. maybe even a LED that indicates traffic |
| 19:17.33 | pipeline | _Hero_: something about your setup is trashed here |
| 19:17.44 | pipeline | _Hero_: the easiest solution is also the dumbest |
| 19:17.50 | wols | _Hero_: is grub saying this error message or the kernel? |
| 19:17.50 | _Hero_ | thats not good :) reinstall is the ovious one |
| 19:17.50 | DebianNub | a restart fixed hte issue. Initially it was a wonky cable end at the router.. KISS .. I can never seem to stick to that all the time. |
| 19:17.56 | DebianNub | I need new cabes |
| 19:18.00 | DebianNub | cables |
| 19:18.06 | DebianNub | thanks to all three of you |
| 19:18.10 | pipeline | _Hero_: boot a live CD and dd the original (bootable) 40G disk onto the 250G, then use cfdisk to resize the partitions |
| 19:18.11 | _Hero_ | this is a kernel error |
| 19:18.12 | DebianNub | now to install kde |
| 19:18.19 | pipeline | _Hero_: then your bootloader and its configuration can remain intact |
| 19:18.25 | wols | _Hero_: and it shows up when? |
| 19:18.49 | thomax | DebianNub: naaaa, not kde :--) |
| 19:18.51 | _Hero_ | wols: about 5 seconds after hitting enter in grub. |
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| 19:19.11 | wols | _Hero_: and after that, nothing? |
| 19:19.13 | DebianNub | thomax, def not going gnome... or unity.. bleh |
| 19:19.15 | _Hero_ | pipeline: I have already used dd to copy it |
| 19:19.23 | Justin | _Hero_: fsck the new partitions? |
| 19:19.27 | wols | also, there must be some output to come directly before |
| 19:19.36 | _Hero_ | wols: after the error is a kernel panic |
| 19:19.57 | Bushmills | unity? in debian? |
| 19:19.59 | _Hero_ | 1 moment, I'm on a different screen so I will type the error message complete here, may take a minute though |
| 19:20.22 | wols | _Hero_: and you are using ext4 / ? |
| 19:20.25 | Bushmills | smells like ubuntu |
| 19:20.26 | _Hero_ | EXT4-fs (device sda5): ext4_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 784898 |
| 19:20.38 | _Hero_ | yes, all partitions are ext34 |
| 19:20.40 | _Hero_ | *4 |
| 19:20.42 | wols | _Hero_: which debian kernel version is this? |
| 19:21.02 | DebianNub | ttfn all =D and ty again |
| 19:21.23 | _Hero_ | wols, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 19:21.57 | wols | boot a live cd and fsck your partition(s) |
| 19:22.32 | _Hero_ | ok, i will try that now, thanks |
| 19:23.21 | _Hero_ | tbh, i fear i will end up having to reinstall - not looking forward to that though, unless theres a way to get a list of packages installed then i don't have to do them all again! |
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| 19:23.47 | wols | !tell _Hero_ about aptitude clone |
| 19:24.04 | keith4 | does debian-installer handle 4k sectors properly? |
| 19:25.34 | _Hero_ | thanks for that wols, good to know I have a last resort if this doesnt work. I assume a copy of /etc and my home folder should pretty much make it like my old system :) |
| 19:28.29 | _Hero_ | well, i think i found the problem. the check on /dev/sda5 said: Error1: Corrup extent header on inode 400037 |
| 19:28.36 | _Hero_ | then exit with signal 6 |
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| 19:34.31 | mauve_alert | can't get rewrite module on apache to work |
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| 19:34.50 | stew | mauve_alert: have you run "a2enmod rewrite"? |
| 19:35.14 | mauve_alert | I did |
| 19:35.26 | mauve_alert | then I restarted apache |
| 19:35.39 | stew | mauve_alert: can you tell us more about your problem? have you tried turning on RewriteLog to get more info? |
| 19:35.51 | mauve_alert | I am new to linux |
| 19:36.10 | mauve_alert | I will try to turn on rewritelog |
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| 19:37.53 | abdelkhalak | hello! is there a ui to wvdial? |
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| 19:39.28 | mauve_alert | stew, when I try to turn on RewriteLog I get an error "command not found" |
| 19:39.34 | _Hero_ | thanks for your help wols :) |
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| 19:40.15 | stew | mauve_alert: how did you try to turn on RewriteLog exactly? |
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| 19:40.37 | mrdeadlocked | http://pastebin.com/WB0YFEwh anyone with bumblbee experience |
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| 19:42.28 | abdelkhalak | i need a wvdial ui |
| 19:42.54 | mauve_alert | stew: # RewriteLog /var/log/Rewrite.log -- I searched my server and found mod_rewrite.so but no mod_rewrite.c, does that mean I need to compile it? |
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| 19:43.06 | stew | abdelkhalak: i'd imagine that anything which is a ui for wvdial would depend on it, so perhaps "aptitude search '~Dwvdial'" |
| 19:43.22 | stew | mauve_alert: where did you see "command not found"? |
| 19:43.29 | stew | mauve_alert: (no, you don't have to compile anything) |
| 19:43.38 | abdelkhalak | i've setup debian for my little sister and want her to dial up using a mouse, instead of typing wvdial |
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| 19:44.12 | mauve_alert | the answer was -bash:RewriteLog: command not found |
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| 19:44.58 | stew | mauve_alert: "RewriteLog" would go into your apache configuration, put it before your RewriteCond or RewriteRule lines |
| 19:45.03 | Renekton | hi, how can I access as user to mounted sshfs? have set permission but don't have permission denied as user |
| 19:45.04 | _Hero_ | abdelkhalak, you can create a shortcut to a script or program on the desktop, is that what you need? |
| 19:45.20 | mauve_alert | okay |
| 19:45.31 | mauve_alert | oh. |
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| 19:46.09 | patrik_debian | hi |
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| 19:46.41 | valdyn | Renekton: sshfs cannot support unix permissions |
| 19:47.18 | Renekton | valdyn: is possible to set it in read for user? |
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| 19:47.31 | valdyn | Renekton: you can mount as user |
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| 19:48.13 | valdyn | Renekton: sshfs is just an interface to something like scp, it does not support permissions |
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| 19:48.54 | abdelkhalak | is there a ui for wvdial? |
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| 19:49.13 | valdyn | abdelkhalak: gnome-ppp, network-manager-gnome |
| 19:49.40 | abdelkhalak | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:49.42 | valdyn | abdelkhalak: wvdial itself is a frontend to chat and ppp, GUIs can be fine for you without working on top of wvdial |
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| 19:50.58 | mauve_alert | stew, my .htaccess is executing Rewrite based on an if/then statement that looks for a mod_rewrite.c (as it was on the old server). If I only have a mod_rewrite.so on my new server, don't I need to change my .htaccess rule? |
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| 19:51.35 | keith4 | mauve_alert: no |
| 19:51.39 | stew | mauve_alert: oh, you cannot use RewriteLog in .htaccess (and its not recommended to use .htaccess if you can just directly edit the apache configuration) |
| 19:52.04 | keith4 | wouldn't he be better-helped in #httpd? |
| 19:52.04 | stew | mauve_alert: just ignore the fact that one is mod_rewrite.c and the other is mod_rewrite.so, that is the expected situation |
| 19:52.25 | Renekton | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denie |
| 19:52.26 | mauve_alert | okay. I'm back to editing my apache config file to turn on rewritelog |
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| 19:56.42 | patrik_debian | hi, i just want to ask a question about gnu screen. Is there any possibility to have first window splitted and also have second window splitted. I dont want to split it every time by hand, so it should be possible to do that in config file. Each window would run simillar apps. It would be grouped or so. Thank you very much. |
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| 20:01.50 | stew | patrik_debian: you can add commands to your .screenrc. so add "split" and "focus" and "split" (each on their own line) |
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| 20:05.08 | patrik_debian | stew: yes, you are right. but by that way I can split one 'window' into several screens. I would like to be able create second 'window' and then split that window too. |
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| 20:05.56 | stew | i'm not sure I understand the difference |
| 20:06.11 | stew | but I'm guessing that the answer is going to end up being "no, but perhaps try tmux" |
| 20:06.28 | stew | or running screen inside screen |
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| 20:09.28 | patrik_debian | stew: well, i was just wondering. Thank you. |
| 20:10.24 | mauve_alert | stew, would you believe that my httpd.conf file is empty? |
| 20:10.37 | stew | patrik_debian: "split;focus;split" that is "split the window" "switch to the second window" "split that window" right? |
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| 20:11.01 | patrik_debian | stew: yes, that is correct. |
| 20:11.43 | stew | mauve_alert: yes. it would start out empty on debian. apache2.conf will have the default config, you can add customization in httpd.conf, however, more commonly, you would be editing a virtualhost in /etc/apache2/sites-available and enable one of those sites with 'a2ensite sitename' |
| 20:12.22 | cusco | hey... |
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| 20:12.45 | cusco | if I want to reset a usb device without moving my self near to the machine wheat woukld I do? |
| 20:12.49 | patrik_debian | stew: Just imagene newspapers. First page contains several resources, second page contains another resources and so on. And this is what i was wondering if it is possibly to apply to screen somehow |
| 20:13.05 | cusco | I would like to do as unpluged the usb device and plugged it back |
| 20:13.05 | cusco | /dev/bus/usb/004/003 |
| 20:13.34 | stew | patrik_debian: then you either want to run screen inside of screen (probably with different config files so they have different escapes), or you want tmux |
| 20:13.46 | maher | does debian run on tablet devices, e.g. an ipad or an asus tf101 or something... |
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| 20:15.11 | mauve_alert | I don't have virtual hosting set up on this server. |
| 20:15.22 | twobitsprite | maher: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 20:15.28 | bs0d | Guys, how to change motd permanently? the orinigal /etc/motd is restored upon every reboot |
| 20:15.47 | twobitsprite | !tell bs0d about motd |
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| 20:17.00 | bs0d | twobitsprite: thanks |
| 20:17.03 | twobitsprite | np |
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| 20:18.11 | geshp | stew: quick aside but i have been using ln -s between sites-enabled and site-available instead of a2ensite -- is there anything a2ensite does that ln doesnt? |
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| 20:18.58 | valdyn | geshp: it would still work once if the implementation of that configuration changed |
| 20:19.09 | valdyn | s/once// |
| 20:19.14 | patrik_debian | stew: well, now I can imagine how to create it by running screen in screen. But I am not sure if it is the best idea. |
| 20:19.29 | mapd | hi, ive tried to make my usbpen bootable to install debian but everytime i try after choosing the keymaps it says it needs the cd, any idea to fix? Thanks |
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| 20:19.55 | geshp | ah thanks but i guess a2ensite would be "best practice" |
| 20:20.28 | stew | geshp: sanity checking. have a look "pager /usr/sbin/a2ensite" |
| 20:20.59 | patrik_debian | stew: Thank you very much. Now I am going to do something with that and find out what is the best and the most suitable solutino for me. |
| 20:21.04 | mapd | please |
| 20:22.01 | stew | patrik_debian: it sounds like you want the thing in tmux that annoys me and keeps me from using tmux. which is that when you split a window, you cannot cycle through screens in the sub-windows, cycling takes you to another window with a different layout |
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| 20:23.35 | Bushmills | stew: ctrl-b cursor up/down/left/right ? |
| 20:23.48 | stew | Bushmills: context? |
| 20:23.57 | mapd | ive tried many tools and every of them asks me for cd |
| 20:23.57 | mapd | :| |
| 20:24.01 | Bushmills | " the thing in tmux that annoys me" |
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| 20:24.47 | stew | Bushmills: i want to do what I can in screen, which is split the window. go to one of the sub-windows, then cycle through different screens. in tmux, when you cycle, you cycle the entire layout, and you get to a now window that is no longer split |
| 20:25.10 | Bushmills | ah, i see |
| 20:25.51 | stew | and aiui the way to fix that is running tmux in tmux, which I don't want to bother with |
| 20:25.58 | stew | instead I live with screen and no vertical splitting |
| 20:26.20 | Justin | screen + tiling wm :) |
| 20:26.31 | stew | i have that already |
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| 20:27.43 | mapd | anyone please? |
| 20:27.54 | gusto | who? |
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| 20:28.21 | mapd | hi, ive tried to make my usbpen bootable to install debian but everytime i try after choosing the keymaps it says it needs the cd, any idea to fix? Thanks <- |
| 20:28.31 | stew | mapd: how are you copying the image to the usb? |
| 20:28.41 | mapd | i did dd |
| 20:28.57 | stew | mapd: are you starting from an .iso? which? are you using hdmedia? |
| 20:28.59 | root[at]net | nixoeen: hi, how to compile gambas? it doesn't contain ./configure file |
| 20:29.02 | mapd | ive even tried to unpack the initred and tried |
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| 20:29.07 | mapd | -e |
| 20:29.17 | mapd | ive tried unetbotin or whatever the name |
| 20:29.27 | Justin | root[at]net: get the debian source package and read debian/rules |
| 20:29.34 | _stefanos_ | Good evening everyone. wols, stew...still haven't sorted out the grub issue :( I have generated a new grub.cfg thinking that might got corrupted and still upon boot it takes me to "welcome to grub" and then throws an error about fd0 (floppy drive i guess) and then takes me immediately to grub prompt. Is there anything else I can do apart from reinstalling everything? |
| 20:29.57 | stew | mapd: which medium are you starting with? an iso? a hdinstall .img? |
| 20:30.10 | mapd | stew netinstall.iso |
| 20:30.18 | stew | mapd: for squeeze? |
| 20:30.21 | mapd | yes |
| 20:30.38 | stew | hmm, you should just able to dd it to the usb device then |
| 20:30.55 | mapd | ive tried and it asks for the cd |
| 20:30.56 | mapd | :p |
| 20:31.32 | mapd | let me try again |
| 20:32.31 | stew | that is what I'd expect if you were using hd media and forgot to put an .iso file on the filesystem |
| 20:33.08 | mapd | stew |
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| 20:33.12 | mapd | but i had the 2 of them |
| 20:33.21 | mapd | so i just need to dd the iso and no need of hdmedia? |
| 20:33.52 | stew | mapd: yes, you should just be able to "cp netinst.iso /dev/sdb" or whatever (make sure you get the /dev/sdb part right, of course) |
| 20:34.27 | mapd | im confused now |
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| 20:34.33 | mapd | i need boot.img or not? |
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| 20:35.20 | mapd | ive tried with boot.img and an iso in the pen and it stops |
| 20:35.29 | mapd | and ive tried just to dd the iso and it asks me for a cd |
| 20:35.49 | Justin | mapd: which iso? |
| 20:35.54 | mapd | netinstall |
| 20:36.44 | Justin | mapd: what was the filename? |
| 20:37.08 | mapd | debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 20:40.04 | mapd | so any idea Justin? |
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| 20:41.05 | mauve_alert | stew, I added added the RewriteLog command to httpd.conf and restarted apache2. Tried to use cleanurls > 404 > nothing added to my logfile |
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| 20:41.29 | m3asmi | how can I create a .deb file from *.jar |
| 20:41.46 | twobitsprite | m3asmi: wha? |
| 20:41.57 | Justin | mapd: and you tried dd'ing that to a drive, and not using unetbootin? |
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| 20:42.12 | mapd | yes |
| 20:42.15 | mauve_alert | ...so then I doubted myself and made the logfile world-writeable (will change) and tried again, and still nothing was written to the logfile |
| 20:42.34 | twobitsprite | m3asmi: those are two different package formats for two very different purposes... what are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:42.41 | mapd | yes Justin |
| 20:43.02 | stew | mapd: set RewriteLogLevel |
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| 20:43.20 | m3asmi | towbitsprite: I have one program java *.jar I want to create .deb to be installed in defferent machin |
| 20:43.21 | mauve_alert | okay |
| 20:43.32 | mapd | stew not me :P |
| 20:43.35 | stew | mapd: ho you should not need boot.img, you should be able to just copy the iso directly to a drive |
| 20:43.44 | stew | mauve_alert: set RewriteLogLevel |
| 20:43.50 | twobitsprite | m3asmi: how did you install the java program on the machine you have now? |
| 20:43.52 | stew | mapd: thanks :) |
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| 20:45.06 | m3asmi | twobtsprite: I didn't install it , I use $java *.jar to start it |
| 20:45.20 | twobitsprite | m3asmi: where did you get the jar files? |
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| 20:45.46 | m3asmi | twobitsprite: I create them |
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| 20:46.04 | twobitsprite | m3asmi: ok... so you want to package up your program for distribution to others as a .deb? |
| 20:46.30 | m3asmi | twobtsprite : yes ;) |
| 20:46.32 | mapd | ive tried dd for windows and it screwed my pen |
| 20:46.32 | mapd | lol |
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| 20:46.58 | m3asmi | twobitsprite: do have any idea how to do ? |
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| 20:48.00 | twobitsprite | m3asmi: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 20:49.56 | m3asmi | wich one is tallking about deb file |
| 20:50.12 | twobitsprite | m3asmi: all of it |
| 20:50.49 | mapd | Justin any other app for windows? |
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| 20:51.09 | m3asmi | twobitsprite: waw it's loot ,think you very much ;) |
| 20:51.10 | twobitsprite | m3asmi: there is a video tutorial here: http://forum.sonodrome.co.uk/t148-roll-your-own-debian-package |
| 20:51.32 | _stefanos_ | guys, is there anywhere about how to manually boot debian from grub2 prompt? |
| 20:51.38 | twobitsprite | m3asmi: debian packages are very powerful, there are a lot of things that can be done |
| 20:52.29 | m3asmi | twobitsprite:thinks agane ;) , you're ausom ;) |
| 20:52.45 | mapd | bye have to go thanks |
| 20:53.05 | twobitsprite | _stefanos_: you're still stuck on your grub problem? |
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| 20:53.19 | _stefanos_ | twobitsprite: yeah man :/ |
| 20:53.27 | _stefanos_ | still having that painful thing |
| 20:53.36 | _stefanos_ | i want to learn everything i can about grub |
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| 20:53.41 | anddam | hello |
| 20:53.49 | _stefanos_ | it's not an excuse to reinstall everything when i get in trouble with grub2 |
| 20:54.21 | anddam | how do I add an option to a program so it's in Application Launch Bar? (LXDE) |
| 20:54.34 | anddam | namely this is --password-store to Chromium |
| 20:54.50 | anddam | I remember there's a systemwide place but can't recall it… |
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| 20:56.44 | MrFrood | anddam: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions |
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| 20:59.52 | andryyy | hey |
| 21:00.30 | geshp | hello andryyy |
| 21:00.49 | andryyy | lets say ive got an eth0 .. and i want to access 6 public ips .. i configure eth0:0-5 with the static ips |
| 21:01.05 | andryyy | on each of the virtual adapters one ip |
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| 21:01.30 | andryyy | what about the real eth0? |
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| 21:02.52 | Iridos | quick answer: no |
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| 21:03.15 | andryyy | :P no config, no way, no what? |
| 21:03.27 | Iridos | just "no" |
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| 21:04.07 | Iridos | I thought... I try to compensate for all those people who come in to ask a "quick question" |
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| 21:05.28 | andryyy | i was using squid for a reverse proxy .. i also used apache (bad) for that .. but now i was like "why not using the one external interfaces with all these virtual ones" |
| 21:05.46 | andryyy | and do all the stuff via iptables |
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| 21:06.01 | Iridos | (you might note I did so directly after joining) |
| 21:06.12 | andryyy | yes :P |
| 21:07.28 | andryyy | so > i was using squid and sometimes apache for reverse proxy .. but now i want to manage it via iptables by adding 6 public ips to just one NIC .. (via virtual eth ports) |
| 21:07.35 | andryyy | but i didnt to this before |
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| 21:08.01 | stew | andryyy: what do you mean by "do all the stuff via iptables"? |
| 21:08.02 | andryyy | so .. lets say .. eth0:0-5 are these 6 public ips .. what about the real eth0 |
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| 21:08.19 | andryyy | static? |
| 21:08.22 | andryyy | to what? |
| 21:08.32 | stew | andryyy: can you ask a more specific question than "what about the real eth0"? i don't really know what that means |
| 21:08.34 | andryyy | ah sorry stew |
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| 21:09.02 | andryyy | so .. i used squid or sometimes apache for reverse proxy :P |
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| 21:09.36 | andryyy | now i want to get rid of them .. because i dont need the cache stuff and i dont want theire services to run |
| 21:09.55 | stew | andryyy: you want to get rid of what? |
| 21:10.29 | andryyy | get rid of caching proxys and any software i dont really need :P |
| 21:10.40 | andryyy | so i want to add 6 public IPs to ONE NIC |
| 21:10.46 | andryyy | by eth0:0-5 |
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| 21:11.01 | stew | andryyy: why do you want to use eth0:0 eth0:1 etc instead of just adding them to eth0? |
| 21:11.09 | andryyy | and manage the forwarding and natting via iptables |
| 21:11.22 | andryyy | these 6 ips? |
| 21:11.25 | andryyy | to one nICß |
| 21:11.26 | stew | yes? |
| 21:11.26 | andryyy | ? |
| 21:11.28 | stew | yes |
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| 21:11.32 | andryyy | oO |
| 21:11.45 | stew | is there some reason you want to use eth0:0 eth0:1 etc instead of just using eth0? |
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| 21:11.48 | andryyy | i just know about adding virtual NICs for each ip |
| 21:11.52 | andryyy | no |
| 21:11.52 | stew | ok |
| 21:12.00 | stew | so what is the problem? |
| 21:12.12 | andryyy | how can i add 6 public IPs to one NIC? |
| 21:12.15 | andryyy | :P |
| 21:12.26 | andryyy | they all use the same subnet and gateway |
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| 21:13.16 | stew | andryyy: configure one normall in /etc/network/interfaces as a static address using address/netmask/gateway, then add "up ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0" "up ip addr add 1.2.3.5/24 dev eth0"... for the other 5 ip addresses |
| 21:13.29 | stew | andryyy: (where 1.2.3.4 is an ip address and /24 is the netmask) |
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| 21:13.42 | andryyy | yea sure, i understand |
| 21:13.47 | andryyy | didnt know that works |
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| 21:14.38 | andryyy | by this the ips are fully working? |
| 21:15.00 | stew | if you really want eth0:1, you can make it something like "up ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 label eth0:1 dev eth0" but those labels aren't terribly useful |
| 21:15.33 | andryyy | and i can access them just like physical ones via iptables? |
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| 21:16.16 | andryyy | too bad i spent so much time with windows and forgot about linux :P |
| 21:16.27 | andryyy | fyi: it is about a lync |
| 21:16.29 | stew | andryyy: iptables cannot use those labels, no matter how you set them, they are all eth0 as far as iptables is concerned |
| 21:16.30 | andryyy | infra |
| 21:16.36 | andryyy | yes i know |
| 21:16.46 | andryyy | but i mean these mulitple ips |
| 21:16.51 | andryyy | without labels |
| 21:17.00 | jimrew | i want to make a custom debian live cd how do i do it like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization ?????? |
| 21:17.01 | andryyy | just these 6 ips over eth0 |
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| 21:17.12 | stew | with or without labels, yes, iptables can manage as many ip addresses as you wish |
| 21:17.32 | andryyy | and it does not care about 6 ips over one NIC? |
| 21:17.50 | stew | jimrew: look at live-build and bootcd packages |
| 21:17.51 | jimrew | hello ???? |
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| 21:17.57 | stew | andryyy: no, it doesn't care |
| 21:18.18 | andryyy | ah ok .. :) so i can dnat packages to one of those 6 |
| 21:18.27 | stew | yes |
| 21:18.39 | andryyy | nice! :) thank you! |
| 21:18.41 | jimrew | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.51 | stew | jimrew: yes! |
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| 21:18.57 | stew | judd: info live-build |
| 21:18.59 | judd | Package live-build (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Debian Live - System Build Scripts. Version: 2.0.12-2; Size: 1943.4k; Installed: 6216k; Homepage: http://live.debian.net/devel/live-build/ |
| 21:19.18 | jimrew | how do i use it?? |
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| 21:19.56 | stew | jimrew: they should each have documentation in /usr/share/doc/$packagename |
| 21:20.03 | andryyy | so the only problem is i cannot decide between input interface :P for iptables |
| 21:20.25 | jimrew | yes but does this make a custom live cd like what linux mint did with debian? |
| 21:20.51 | andryyy | "problem" .. whatever |
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| 21:21.24 | andryyy | 7 NICs are more bad that using 1 NIC for 6 IPs with low load and 1 NIC for standard load i think |
| 21:21.32 | andryyy | than* |
| 21:22.08 | jimrew | stew: yes but does this make a custom live cd like what linux mint did with debian? |
| 21:22.29 | microcluster | why my notebook cooling fan is on a lot of time? |
| 21:22.46 | stew | jimrew: i have no idea what mint did |
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| 21:23.01 | stew | jimrew: this is what is used to make the debian live cds |
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| 21:23.35 | jimrew | what i want to do is chang icons themes etc |
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| 21:23.51 | jimrew | and then put it in live cd |
| 21:25.16 | smhar | I am using gnome in squeeze and sometimes -like now- the keyboard layout changer just gets -semi- stuck, I can not change the language, and I can not remove the applet from the panel bar. what should I do? |
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| 21:32.25 | cygnus | hi I am wondering if my squeeze security update settings are correct, I upgraded my box ~2 weeks ago to squeeze and haven't had one update or security update since then is this correct? |
| 21:32.37 | cygnus | usually in the version before this I would get something every week |
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| 21:35.44 | ectospasm | I have a problem with my bluetooth mouse. It is identified by the system, but it won't pair. auth.log shows rejected send messages from dbus-daemon corresponding to the pairing attempt. I know it's gotta be something in the /etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf configuration, but I'm completely failing at finding the magic words to use... |
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| 21:36.43 | ectospasm | it's as if the dbus-daemon is refusing the connection because the security is too restrictive, but I don't know how to fix it |
| 21:36.58 | ectospasm | google doesn't shed light on a solution as far as I can tell. |
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| 21:37.18 | jimrew | hi i want to make a custom live cd of debian how do i do it??? |
| 21:37.30 | ectospasm | I've tried gnome-bluetooth manager, blueman, and console utilities to no avail |
| 21:38.21 | _stefanos_ | i have been searching google for how long now to find a possible solution to my problem. Isn't there a simple way to fix this grub prompt issue so i can save me from trouble installing the whole system from scratch again? |
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| 21:40.06 | smhar | _stefanos_, what is the problem? |
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| 21:41.26 | jimrew | hi i want to make a custom cd of debian how do i do it?????????? |
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| 21:41.57 | _stefanos_ | smhar I have been trying now for three days to fix my Debian wheezy. I ran the updates and since then it does not enter Gnome2. It welcomes me and takes me straight to grub prompt. |
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| 21:43.26 | jimrew | how do i make a custom cd of debian? |
| 21:43.47 | smhar | _stefanos_, I am still on squeeze, but I did not understand your problem. grub ends just as it loads the kernel. what gnome has to do with it? |
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| 21:44.29 | _stefanos_ | smhar: I ran the updates from GUI and upon restart I stuck on grub prompt. |
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| 21:44.44 | _stefanos_ | tried to repair grub, nothing. |
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| 21:45.22 | craigevil | _stefanos_, did xorg upgrade? and if it did do use fglrx on ati or the proprietary nvidia driver? if so you need to reinstall the driver |
| 21:45.34 | smhar | _stefanos_, ok, you mean you boot you system. you see grub menu and you can not go anywhere from there? |
| 21:45.39 | _stefanos_ | nvidia here |
| 21:45.47 | _stefanos_ | not even menu |
| 21:45.55 | _stefanos_ | straight to grub prompt |
| 21:46.02 | _stefanos_ | "grub>" |
| 21:46.11 | craigevil | if you install the nvidia way and not the debian way you have to reinstall the driver any time xorg or kernel is upgraded |
| 21:46.26 | jimrew | can some one help me? |
| 21:46.30 | _stefanos_ | craigevil, it's not drivers man |
| 21:47.05 | craigevil | tried running update-grub? |
| 21:47.08 | _stefanos_ | yes |
| 21:47.29 | smhar | _stefanos_, from where? |
| 21:47.40 | jimrew | can some one help me? |
| 21:47.45 | _stefanos_ | from DVD rescue mode |
| 21:47.50 | _stefanos_ | jumrew |
| 21:47.58 | _stefanos_ | stop asking for help and point your problem buddy |
| 21:48.03 | _stefanos_ | else they will kick you out |
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| 21:48.29 | smhar | _stefanos_, try os-prober then update-grub2 |
| 21:48.33 | craigevil | !tell smhar about ask |
| 21:48.48 | _stefanos_ | os prober and then update-grub2? |
| 21:48.49 | _stefanos_ | hmm |
| 21:48.51 | jimrew | _stefanos_: ok i want to make a custom debian live cd how do i do it? |
| 21:48.52 | _stefanos_ | didn't know about it |
| 21:49.02 | _stefanos_ | have you google it? |
| 21:49.06 | jimrew | yes |
| 21:49.09 | smhar | thanks craigevilbut it was not me :-) |
| 21:49.12 | jimrew | nothing |
| 21:49.20 | _stefanos_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
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| 21:50.03 | _stefanos_ | jimrew: never say nothing to someone who's on a daily basis in front of a Google page |
| 21:50.05 | smhar | _stefanos_, I had a grub problem not updating the menu and it worked this way for me |
| 21:50.06 | craigevil | smhar, whoops :) |
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| 21:50.24 | _stefanos_ | smhar...cool man. I should give it a try then |
| 21:50.48 | jimrew | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.04 | smhar | _stefanos_, hope it works for you too |
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| 21:51.40 | _stefanos_ | jimrew: http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 21:51.55 | craigevil | !debianlive |
| 21:52.05 | _stefanos_ | smhar: I hope so too buddy. time to restart liveCD |
| 21:52.12 | _stefanos_ | wish me good luck people |
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| 21:54.33 | jimrew | _stefanos_ does simpile cdd take your system confs like background and icons and then put in custom cd?????? |
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| 21:57.25 | kfr | Hello, I have a problem with sshfs. I did # chmod g+rw /dev/fuse and then # usermod -a -G fuse myuser $ sshfs blahblah@blah:/blah ~/mount |
| 21:57.40 | kfr | Now this mount works fine - but I can't access it through sftp, the directory simply doesn't show up there |
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| 21:58.12 | kfr | I suspect it is a fuse related issue because ls -la as root in that directory yields d????????? ? ? ? ? ? sshfs |
| 21:58.15 | kfr | Which looks... broken |
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| 21:58.51 | kfr | root can't access the directory either... cannot access sshfs: Permission denied |
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| 22:01.39 | kfr | When I mount it as root, then I can't access it as the non root user either hmm |
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| 22:05.33 | kfr | Ah, I fixed it, the problem is that you basically need access from multiple users simultaneously for sftp so you have to edit /etc/fuse.conf and use user_allow_other and then -o that |
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| 22:16.37 | MeCooL | Hi |
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| 22:18.14 | _stefanos_ | I'm afraid it didn't work either... |
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| 22:18.44 | _stefanos_ | I have tried the standards up to now, but for some reason it seems that something's really serious or something totally stupid on my system and i cannot figure it out. |
| 22:19.53 | _stefanos_ | upon welcoming me to "grub!" it tries to load fd0 for some reason and throws an "error: fd0 read error" |
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| 22:20.13 | _stefanos_ | and then it takes me to grub prompt immediately |
| 22:20.50 | _stefanos_ | what could possible got corrupted? |
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| 22:21.23 | craigevil | tried just reinstalling grub? |
| 22:21.29 | smhar | _stefanos_, did you try reinstalling grub2? |
| 22:21.48 | _stefanos_ | smhar, what do you mean buddy? |
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| 22:24.51 | craigevil | _stefanos_, http://manual.aptosid.com/en/sys-admin-grub2-en.htm#chroot use a livecd/dvd to reinstall grub |
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| 22:26.16 | smhar | _stefanos_, apt-get install grub2 --reinstall |
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| 22:27.09 | _stefanos_ | smhar..you mean through chroot I can run that command?! |
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| 22:27.58 | smhar | _stefanos_, yes |
| 22:28.08 | _stefanos_ | cool !!! |
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| 22:28.40 | smhar | _stefanos_, just make sure your /boot is mounted too |
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| 22:29.16 | smhar | I mean correctly |
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| 22:29.19 | _stefanos_ | of course i will :D |
| 22:29.20 | _stefanos_ | cheers |
| 22:29.26 | _stefanos_ | I will let you know as soon as possible |
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| 22:32.07 | _stefanos_ | smhar, what type of boot is? |
| 22:32.08 | _stefanos_ | none? |
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| 22:33.32 | smhar | _stefanos_, if your /boot resides in its own partition, otherwise just mount the normal / in your chroot |
| 22:34.13 | _stefanos_ | no, it's an LVM2 so i guess i should mount / |
| 22:34.17 | _stefanos_ | cool |
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| 22:36.59 | _stefanos_ | smhar, i hope the next login of mine would be from xchat and not from web Irc :D |
| 22:37.02 | _stefanos_ | brb |
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| 22:55.28 | _stefanos_ | shmar I really don't know what else to do... |
| 22:55.41 | _stefanos_ | the last thing i want is to reinstall a new OS |
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| 22:56.42 | Bushmills | Bop: did you manage to install moodle? |
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| 22:58.44 | _stefanos_ | i really don't know what file should i check to fix to make this system to boot properly and not staying at grub prompt area... |
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| 23:05.16 | Bop | Bushmills, nope |
| 23:05.34 | Bop | Bushmills, to me, looks like distro is broken |
| 23:05.41 | Bop | somethinh with php version |
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| 23:06.43 | Bop | php5-gd: Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.3-7) but 5.3.6-8 is installed |
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| 23:07.22 | Bop | well Bushmills |
| 23:07.37 | Bop | i dont know how i got a higher version of php than testing |
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| 23:08.54 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: Magic. |
| 23:09.02 | Bushmills | Bop: security advisory concerning moodle was issued just 2 hours ago |
| 23:09.14 | Bop | Bushmills, im downgrading, looks like it will work |
| 23:09.44 | Bushmills | Debian Security Advisory DSA-2262-1 |
| 23:09.47 | Bop | Bushmills, ohh , so moddle is asking for a newer version of php , not yet posted on testing tree ? |
| 23:10.21 | Bop | well , im downgrading it to 5.3.3-7 |
| 23:10.53 | Bushmills | not related to php version. "Several cross-site scripting and information disclosure issues have been fixed..." |
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| 23:13.27 | _stefanos_ | enough for today...tomorrow again! Goodnight people |
| 23:13.32 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:30.05 | CuBe0wL | hi all! has anybody encountered the problem with 2.6.38 from testing, that it doesn't recognise an USB gamepad? |
| 23:30.25 | CuBe0wL | http://pastebin.com/xb5AK7d6 this is what printed in dmesg in 2.6.32 and 2.6.38 |
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| 23:30.42 | CuBe0wL | in 2.6.32 it works out of the box, in 2.6.38 it doesn't create the node |
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| 23:36.35 | MrFrood | CuBe0wL: try #debian-next on oftc for testing/sid support if you get no answer here |
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| 23:36.59 | CuBe0wL | MrFrood, thx |
| 23:37.26 | CuBe0wL | also, it seems odd there's only one bug on the bugtracker for linux-image-2.6.38 |
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| 23:38.18 | rypervenche | CuBe0wL: Are you on a laptop? |
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| 23:38.36 | CuBe0wL | rypervenche, no, standard barebone dekstop |
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| 23:38.43 | CuBe0wL | desktop, sorry |
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| 23:38.59 | CuBe0wL | also, right now I'm running Linux quadra 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 21:36:00 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:39.01 | rypervenche | Then I'm not sure. I know there is a problem with udev in Testing. |
| 23:39.15 | CuBe0wL | because it works with my gamepad well |
| 23:39.19 | MrFrood | suspects CuBe0wL should be looking at udev bugs... |
| 23:39.34 | CuBe0wL | looks for udev bugs |
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