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| 00:02.03 | mufumbo | somiaj: it seems to be grub related |
| 00:02.23 | mufumbo | somiaj: i enter in recovery mode and execute update-grub2 and it doesn't detect my xen image |
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| 00:40.54 | aypea[2] | ok. it can. expert install. fun times. |
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| 00:41.47 | gnarface | gpt are those mac ones that can go > 2TB? |
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| 00:55.44 | karlpinc | gnarface: A new paritioning scheme that does large partitions, not limited to any particular os/arch. |
| 00:56.05 | karlpinc | !tell aypea[2] about 4kb |
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| 01:13.38 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 01:32.54 | centHOGG | h |
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| 01:36.40 | dtcrshr | how do i add some folders to my path? (ruby, rails and this stuff for ex) |
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| 01:41.50 | gnarface | dtcrshr: your path is controlled by your user's environment variable "PATH" |
| 01:42.42 | gnarface | dtcrshr: isn't it a better idea to add those directories to ruby's include path though? or is the problem you don't like going there to edit them? |
| 01:46.31 | dtcrshr | ill go there to edit, i just dont know where |
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| 01:49.57 | blackshirt | dtcrshr: depend on your shell, look at .bashrc on your home directory |
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| 01:53.50 | iker | hola |
| 01:54.02 | aypea[2] | is there anything other than parted to use for gpt partition tables? |
| 01:54.10 | nsadmin | you can type echo $PATH $SHELL to see both |
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| 01:55.13 | dtcrshr | hm nice |
| 01:55.46 | nsadmin | what;s a gpt? |
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| 01:55.59 | zcat[1] | nsadmin: Guid Partition Table |
| 01:56.32 | nsadmin | how is it different from... uhh. what's it different from? |
| 01:56.34 | zcat[1] | nsadmin: required for drives >2gb |
| 01:56.43 | aypea[2] | tb :) |
| 01:56.51 | zcat[1] | Err TB sorry ;) |
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| 01:56.57 | nsadmin | oic |
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| 01:57.04 | aypea[2] | makes a similar mistake. winds up saying mb :/ |
| 01:57.13 | nsadmin | what about == 2 tb |
| 01:57.15 | aypea[2] | then some jerk goes and corrects me :) |
| 01:57.22 | nsadmin | I got one of those |
| 01:57.36 | zcat[1] | I think the limit is somewhere around 2.1tb |
| 01:57.39 | RafeKettler | Anyone have any experience replacing an existing Linux install with Debian on a dualboot with Windows 7? |
| 01:57.56 | aypea[2] | nsadmin: that;'s not a real 2tb drive. it's 2tb less marketing tithe. |
| 01:58.51 | nsadmin | well ok... so, you're saying the one I have which is marketed as 2tb doesn't need this new partition table type? |
| 01:59.02 | aypea[2] | yeah |
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| 01:59.31 | zcat[1] | 2^10 != 10^3 |
| 02:00.45 | nsadmin | == 10^3 + 2^3 * 3! |
| 02:00.53 | nsadmin | threeeeeeeee! |
| 02:01.37 | gnarface | how big are harddrives now? 2tb? |
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| 02:01.47 | gnarface | just 1? |
| 02:02.35 | nsadmin | 3.5" |
| 02:02.44 | dvs | gnarface: 3TB |
| 02:02.58 | nsadmin | I bought a 2tb a few months back |
| 02:03.01 | aypea[2] | I can't wait till they go plaid. |
| 02:03.08 | nsadmin | flom flies |
| 02:03.36 | centHOGG | a question about those bigger hdd's... do they work on oldish systems? |
| 02:03.43 | centHOGG | not horribly old |
| 02:04.18 | nsadmin | do the new partition tables still have 4 primary partitions and make room for logicals? |
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| 02:04.38 | aypea[2] | no. that was a horrible hack to retain backward compatability. |
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| 02:05.35 | nsadmin | so what is the deal now, and should I convert? |
| 02:05.55 | nsadmin | only one partition type now? |
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| 02:06.09 | gnarface | i'd be worried more that the larger ones take more power |
| 02:06.15 | gnarface | and that it would overload the power supply |
| 02:06.58 | centHOGG | has that ever happened? |
| 02:07.06 | gnarface | probably there isn't anything to worry about besides just wasting the throughput capacity of the newer drive on older hardware's bus speed and cpu limitations |
| 02:07.30 | aypea[2] | gah. i think i need to roll my own debian install cd. |
| 02:07.44 | centHOGG | those bigger drives are nice for media storage/spitting |
| 02:07.56 | gnarface | but if you plug the thing in instead of the other one and its all set up and it randomly reboots shortly after post or doesn't post at all you know |
| 02:08.54 | nsadmin | aypea[2], why? |
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| 02:09.33 | nsadmin | at least that's easier than when the installer was "boot-floppies" |
| 02:09.52 | aypea[2] | nsadmin: the default is almost but not quite right for me. |
| 02:10.17 | nsadmin | what problem do you have? |
| 02:10.19 | aypea[2] | and with gpt being needed now, it just took a further step away from being quite right |
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| 02:10.52 | Bac9 | aypea[2]: FYI, oficially there is a difference between TB and TiB, so it's actually valid for 2TB HDDs != 2 TiBs |
| 02:11.16 | nsadmin | so the bios would have to read the gpt, it seems like all you would need is to make a coupla partitions |
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| 02:13.46 | gnarface | what is a TiB? |
| 02:13.53 | gnarface | TB is terabyte? |
| 02:14.02 | centHOGG | an acronis backup |
| 02:14.17 | nsadmin | one is 2^ the other is 10^ |
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| 02:14.30 | nsadmin | can't remember which is which |
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| 02:15.15 | dvs | TB = 10^12, TiB = 2 ^ 40 |
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| 02:17.41 | Bac9 | nsadmin: the "i" in TiB stands for bInary |
| 02:18.06 | nsadmin | oh, ok, that's very helpful |
| 02:18.06 | Bac9 | nsadmin: IIRC |
| 02:18.07 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 02:18.39 | nsadmin | even if it's not, it's a great way to remember it |
| 02:19.12 | Bac9 | nsadmin: just like remembering the difference between raid0 and raid1 |
| 02:20.31 | nsadmin | raid * (0 * 2^0) or raid * (1 * 2^0)? |
| 02:20.40 | nsadmin | nm, that |
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| 02:20.45 | nsadmin | is rfeally reaching |
| 02:20.47 | Bac9 | nsadmin: so technicallt the HDD marketing department is correct, but it's still evilish since they are trying to confuse people by leaning away from convention |
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| 02:21.18 | Bac9 | nsadmin: in raid0, 0 is the amount of data you have left after 1 HDD fails |
| 02:21.54 | nsadmin | how much money do they save with the 2^40 - 10^12? |
| 02:22.16 | jhutchins_lt | In raid *, 0 is the data you have when the (obsolete, irreplacable) controller fails. Which happens more often than hard drives failing. |
| 02:23.03 | jhutchins_lt | Just going from 20+ years experience. |
| 02:23.06 | Bac9 | nsadmin: take the <cost per byte> * (2^40 - 10^12) |
| 02:23.26 | nsadmin | right, that's what I'm wondering |
| 02:23.32 | Bac9 | jhutchins_lt: what about Linux software raid? |
| 02:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | pure bullshit |
| 02:23.53 | nsadmin | I would expect 2^40 would be cheaper |
| 02:24.15 | Bac9 | nsadmin: only for SDD because there it's a grid |
| 02:24.19 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, techincally you avoid the proprietary controller failure, but it's just another layer to go wrong. |
| 02:24.19 | dvs | nsadmin: nope, it's larger so less of them fit on a drive. |
| 02:24.45 | jhutchins_lt | It's marginally worth something for critical uptime systems, but it will still fail. |
| 02:25.15 | jhutchins_lt | Good backups, hot, near live backups, are the only real solution. |
| 02:25.43 | jhutchins_lt | Raid was useful when hard drives were the size of washing machines. |
| 02:26.06 | centHOGG | pleez |
| 02:26.07 | jhutchins_lt | We're riding a wve of "oh, just like real computers" that will eventually solve itself. |
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| 02:30.34 | nsadmin | size of washing machines capable of washing one sock at a time |
| 02:31.45 | nevyn | jhutchins_lt: it's still useful as agregation for large volumes |
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| 02:32.31 | nevyn | if what you have doesn't FIT in 2TB. then raid0 can be handy but it's probably sensible to move reduncancy up to the system level these days. |
| 02:32.32 | jhutchins_lt | In desparate circumstances. |
| 02:33.26 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Have you really used full-height 5.25 drives? |
| 02:33.38 | centHOGG | <used fh |
| 02:33.54 | nsadmin | when I had an atari st, back in the 80s |
| 02:34.02 | nevyn | I had a full height disk somewhere for use as a doorstop |
| 02:34.21 | jhutchins_lt | I have a 1MB 18" removable platter. |
| 02:34.31 | nsadmin | I remember when coworker brought in a corvus |
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| 02:35.21 | jhutchins_lt | I have played Gravity Wars on a PDP1 loaded from paper tape and controlled by toggle switches with no keyboard. |
| 02:35.43 | jhutchins_lt | 8" round CRT output. |
| 02:35.52 | jhutchins_lt | Very early real-time computing. |
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| 02:50.56 | eden21 | help my linux distro does not work with my dell dimension e521 with X.org 1.10 and above |
| 02:51.20 | eden21 | when I startx it returns back to the terminal saying It can't startx, etc |
| 02:52.01 | blackshirt | eden21: can you pastebin your Xorg.log |
| 02:52.02 | blackshirt | ?? |
| 02:52.39 | eden21 | I can't do it at the moment |
| 02:53.04 | eden21 | but it just doesn't start it returns right back to ubuntu@ubuntu-$ |
| 02:53.22 | eden21 | compatibility mode doesn't even work |
| 02:53.22 | aypea[2] | debian should use gdisk for its gpt stuff. least it autoaligns its partitions properly. |
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| 02:54.05 | blackshirt | eden21: try to reconfigure your x server |
| 02:54.19 | eden21 | by doing X -configure? |
| 02:55.04 | blackshirt | yeah, or by issuing dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 02:55.35 | eden21 | will I have to do that EVERYTIME i insert the livecd |
| 02:55.44 | eden21 | if yes than I would like to try something that works lol |
| 02:55.51 | eden21 | Linux Mint and Ubuntu failed me |
| 02:56.20 | blackshirt | eden21: what you mean ? |
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| 02:56.36 | eden21 | I am using a livecd |
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| 02:57.00 | eden21 | I want whatever distro I use to boot up properly on livecd |
| 02:58.04 | blackshirt | eden21: what your pc/laptop are you using ? |
| 02:58.23 | eden21 | Dell Dimension E251 |
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| 02:59.03 | blackshirt | your vga card spec ? |
| 02:59.57 | eden21 | the video type is: Nvidia integrated video (DirectX 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 Graphics Processing Unit) or optional PCI Express x16 graphics card |
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| 03:00.12 | sm1 | How can I find out the *reason* why a package is kept back? |
| 03:00.54 | gnarface | sm1: when you find out it usually doesn't help a lot |
| 03:01.17 | gnarface | sm1: you're on sid, right? |
| 03:02.06 | blackshirt | eden21: i no have experiences with this dell type...but try it or install it and use vesa driver |
| 03:02.07 | sm1 | gnarface: Hello there ;) .. no am on (squeeze) |
| 03:02.33 | eden21 | Is there any distro that is guranteed to work live on my Dell dimension e521? |
| 03:03.54 | blackshirt | try debian or fedora... or install it with text mode based and install desktop from ground up |
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| 03:05.24 | eden21 | I have to learn how to make my own custom debian cd |
| 03:05.34 | eden21 | *livecd |
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| 03:06.07 | blackshirt | eden21: that's greats |
| 03:06.44 | sm1 | will , how can i tell if those packages are no more needed! |
| 03:08.10 | sm1 | one of them is docky , and it's mos def needed as am using it on my D box ;D |
| 03:09.07 | wols | !kept back |
| 03:09.07 | dpkg | from memory, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 03:09.23 | sm1 | Ahh , got it .. those packages need to be upgraded. |
| 03:09.40 | sm1 | ty wols ;) |
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| 03:10.32 | sm1 | I should've used "full-upgrade" my bad. |
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| 03:11.33 | sm1 | sary@debian:~$ sudo apt-get full-upgrade |
| 03:11.42 | sm1 | E: Invalid operation full-upgrade |
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| 03:12.13 | gnarface | uh dist-upgrade? |
| 03:12.13 | blackshirt | sm1: check your apt-get manual |
| 03:12.38 | sm1 | okay. |
| 03:13.14 | wols | sm1: apt-get is not aptitude and therefore has different commands |
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| 03:14.32 | sm1 | oh , right i missed that .. "full-upgrade" is for aptitude. |
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| 03:19.25 | eden21 | Does anyone know when distrowatch will be back up? The server is down! |
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| 03:23.44 | Black_Prince | I guess when they lift up the server :P |
| 03:23.53 | centHOGG | zing |
| 03:24.12 | Black_Prince | It works ... |
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| 03:25.28 | AntiX2331 | hello all |
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| 03:25.38 | blackshirt | hello |
| 03:25.41 | blackshirt | !ask |
| 03:25.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:27.06 | AntiX2331 | Well, I hope I'm in the right place... I need help mounting an ntfs partition in Linux, my distro is not debian, but it's debian based |
| 03:27.22 | centHOGG | load ntfs dealy |
| 03:28.05 | AntiX2331 | I need read/write access, I already have ntfs-3g, but it won't let me copy to the ntfs mount point |
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| 03:28.33 | centHOGG | were you ever able to mount ntfs before |
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| 03:28.44 | AntiX2331 | I get an "Operation is not permitted", even as root! |
| 03:28.47 | jpinx | AntiX2331: mount -t ntfs /dev/xxx /xxx -o umask 111 |
| 03:29.03 | jpinx | AntiX2331: mount -t ntfs /dev/xxx /xxx -o umask=111 |
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| 03:29.19 | AntiX2331 | Oh, yes, I'm new to linux, but not that new lol I've mounted plenty of ntfs drives before |
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| 03:29.44 | centHOGG | with that particular distro |
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| 03:29.50 | Black_Prince | AntiX2331, ls -l /sbin/mount.ntfs |
| 03:29.53 | AntiX2331 | @jpinx I will try that... what is the unmask parameter for? |
| 03:30.09 | centHOGG | permissions |
| 03:30.36 | jpinx | AntiX2331: ntfs does not have permissions, you need a mask |
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| 03:32.11 | jpinx | AntiX2331: you can dick abut with the umask and check with ls -al until you get the perms you need ;) |
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| 03:35.03 | sm1 | Alright , check this out http://snipt.org/xksp , http://snipt.org/xkso |
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| 03:42.03 | AntiX2331 | jpinx:Wow, this is weird.. after all that here's what I got: NTFS-fs error (device sda2): parse_options(): Unrecognized mount option unmask. |
| 03:42.40 | jpinxremoteshell | AntiX2331: umask=111 |
| 03:42.55 | AntiX2331 | *facepalm |
| 03:42.59 | jpinxremoteshell | short for u(ser)mask I believe |
| 03:43.24 | jpinxremoteshell | slaps AntiX2331 with an old trout |
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| 03:43.38 | centHOGG | were you ever able to mount ntfs before |
| 03:43.40 | centHOGG | with that particular distro |
| 03:43.42 | AntiX2331 | jpinx:OK, it works! :-) |
| 03:44.09 | jpinxremoteshell | AntiX2331: which? the umask or the trout'? |
| 03:45.47 | AntiX2331 | jpinxremoteshell: The umask, but I spoke too soon :-(, I will keep at it tho, trying diferent perms now |
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| 03:49.17 | AntiX2331 | I'm back |
| 03:49.52 | gnarface | hey what's max speed on nfs? |
| 03:49.55 | AntiX2331 | Maybe the problem is with ROX-Filer? That's what I'm using to see the directories and backup files |
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| 03:51.14 | sm1 | So , what is the best option here http://snipt.org/xksp , http://snipt.org/xkso |
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| 03:52.20 | cafuego | gnarface: The lowest of network or disk throughput. |
| 03:52.49 | AntiX2331 | centhogg: I'm still getting "cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/sda2/test.wma': Permission denied" |
| 03:52.58 | gnarface | cafuego: its really that fast? |
| 03:53.00 | centHOGG | r u ready |
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| 03:53.24 | cafuego | gnarface: Why wouldn't it be? |
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| 03:53.46 | gnarface | cafuego: well samba isn't... neither is scp |
| 03:54.10 | cafuego | gnarface: I can't speak for samba; scp would be limited by CPU in most cases. |
| 03:54.40 | cafuego | gnarface: I happily push 12MB/sec to NFS on my 100Mbit lan |
| 03:54.55 | gnarface | cafaro: megabytes? |
| 03:55.00 | cafuego | gnarface: yes |
| 03:55.02 | gnarface | cafaro: not megabits? |
| 03:55.03 | sm1 | !kept back > sm1 |
| 03:55.11 | centHOGG | 100 baud |
| 03:55.14 | cafuego | gnarface: 12 megabytes on a 100 megabit network |
| 03:55.28 | cafuego | gnarface: So pretty much on what it could theoretically do |
| 03:55.42 | cafuego | gnarface: That'll of course slow down when other clients access the same server |
| 03:58.51 | jpinxremoteshell | AntiX2331: we only support debian ;) |
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| 04:02.38 | AntiX2331 | i'm in the wrong place then? |
| 04:02.46 | AntiX2331 | How about #mepis |
| 04:02.49 | centHOGG | r u ready |
| 04:03.32 | AntiX2331 | centhogg:me? |
| 04:03.37 | centHOGG | yes |
| 04:03.46 | AntiX2331 | Yes |
| 04:03.54 | centHOGG | were you ever able to mount ntfs before |
| 04:03.58 | centHOGG | with that particular distro |
| 04:04.29 | AntiX2331 | centhogg:Yes, I remember doing it once (with THIS particular version of AntiX) |
| 04:04.49 | centHOGG | well thats good |
| 04:05.21 | AntiX2331 | centhogg:I did the mount -l command and it shows "rw,umask=0111" in parentheses |
| 04:05.34 | centHOGG | idk |
| 04:05.37 | AntiX2331 | centhogg:So what the heck is going on? |
| 04:05.47 | centHOGG | it's not debian |
| 04:05.49 | centHOGG | next |
| 04:06.05 | AntiX2331 | Who supports it? Mepis? |
| 04:06.10 | AntiX2331 | Or someone else? |
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| 04:08.28 | jpinxremoteshell | AntiX2331: I tried to tell you, read man mount and play with your umask and don't add so many conflicting options,,,, |
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| 04:57.40 | KerrMD | Evening folks |
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| 05:31.22 | rgr | AntiX2331: welcome to "I dont know so I will pretend I cant help you because "we" only suport Debian. |
| 05:31.39 | gnarface | rgr: /topic |
| 05:31.59 | rgr | There are a lot of dicks in this group like that. Try #linux. Its the same on pretty much all distros. |
| 05:32.12 | rgr | gnarface: sorry? |
| 05:34.34 | craigevil | only Debian has ever been supported in #debian which is why its called #debian and not ##linux |
| 05:34.54 | centHOGG | why have specific channels at all then? |
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| 05:35.44 | rgr | craigevil: yeah, cos Debian isnt Linux ... Jesus. Get a life. If its applicable and its quiet try helping people. |
| 05:35.44 | streuner__ | its hard enough to support ONE distro :-) |
| 05:36.16 | rgr | hint : debian fstab is the same as 99.999% of other distros. |
| 05:36.31 | rgr | and you guys know more than the Ubunt fan boys. |
| 05:36.45 | KerrMD | <mutters something about ubuntu> |
| 05:36.52 | rgr | Yeah me too.. ;) |
| 05:36.57 | Zharf | don't use ubuntu then |
| 05:37.12 | craigevil | rgr, the point is what works in debian may or may not work in distro foo |
| 05:37.38 | KerrMD | If I used Ubuntu do you think I'd be here? |
| 05:37.48 | Zharf | I'm talking to rgr :) |
| 05:37.52 | KerrMD | ah |
| 05:37.56 | KerrMD | my mistake |
| 05:38.08 | rgr | Amazing. I look at the time stamps here and the usual suspects pop out to net nanny and whine but offered nothing to help. The channel is dead. Ignore it or help, Are you Linux/FOSS users or closed source "only my distro" dweebs? Get a life. Streuth... |
| 05:38.44 | streuner__ | troll somewhere else :-) |
| 05:38.46 | rgr | Also, 90% or more of Ubuntu problems you guys and I can help with. |
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| 05:39.34 | craigevil | they are ubuntu problems they get what they deserve for using it :P |
| 05:39.36 | rgr | streuner__: when was the last time stamp in this channel you helped someone? or do you just pop up to tell others not to help? |
| 05:39.49 | rgr | craigevil: that I kind of agree with ;) |
| 05:39.58 | JohnWittle | rgr: this is going to end in you being +kb, not with you winning |
| 05:40.10 | Zharf | rgr, foss is crap |
| 05:40.24 | rgr | How am I "whining" (sic) by suggesting if you can help please do so? |
| 05:40.25 | JohnWittle | this is like arguing with the TSA agent about bringing your bottle of water on, and expecting him to let you bring the bottle of water onto the flight instead of getting you arrested. |
| 05:40.46 | rgr | JohnWittle: yeah that happened to me last week. My toothpaste was too big! |
| 05:40.58 | JohnWittle | rgr: i didn't tell you you were whining, i said you were not going to win the argument. |
| 05:41.13 | craigevil | never understood why anyone would a distro that needed to be reinstalled to upgrade, my oldest debian install was installed in 2004 |
| 05:41.24 | craigevil | ^use |
| 05:41.31 | rgr | and? |
| 05:41.34 | centHOGG | true |
| 05:41.55 | JohnWittle | #debian is allowed to have whatever rules it wants to; it is run by individuals who are not you. you can complain to them about the rules but the rules are fine the way they are and serve the purpose that they want. |
| 05:42.52 | rgr | But a typical thread : the man advocating helping someone if you can, and its quiet here, is haranged by people who have nothing better to do.Well, if that floats your boat good luck. PS, I am not "off topic" suggesting you be nice and small minded. |
| 05:43.10 | rgr | err, "not" small minded... |
| 05:43.22 | rgr | JohnWittle: so ban me. |
| 05:43.25 | KerrMD | Here's a question about Squeeze: In my network manager I went to set a non-default dns and found that I cannot change it via the gui. There is no "admijn/root" mode to be seen. Is this something I have to do via nano? |
| 05:43.42 | KerrMD | kde is my gui |
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| 05:43.58 | streuner__ | you should be able to alter the DNS server in NM |
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| 05:44.05 | rgr | KerrMD: why via nano? |
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| 05:44.34 | rgr | Did the gui allow you to enter a nwe value and then forget it? |
| 05:44.40 | streuner__ | basically you are able to edit /etc/resolv.conf in order to make changes about DNS-Server(s) |
| 05:44.41 | KerrMD | because the options are all greyed out when I open NM. No "unlock" feature can be seen. |
| 05:45.26 | KerrMD | Is there some method to unlocking this that I am not seeing? |
| 05:45.45 | rgr | did you try running it with "sudo" from the command line? Its not too infrequent to find that once again (and typical for nvidia-settings) the guys refuse to correct the default menu entries to run as admin. |
| 05:45.53 | craigevil | probably need to run NM as root to change dns |
| 05:46.01 | KerrMD | Forgive me but I am a recent (K)ubuntu refugee. |
| 05:46.14 | rgr | craigevil: which is a joke when there is a menu option. |
| 05:46.32 | KerrMD | craigevil: one would think there be a gui method of changing to root mode in a gui app.. lol |
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| 05:46.35 | rgr | KDE is indeed the invention of the devil.. |
| 05:46.37 | streuner | KerrMD: the daemon runs? |
| 05:46.38 | JohnWittle | KerrMD: just edit your DNS in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:46.45 | rgr | KerrMD: there is. |
| 05:46.50 | JohnWittle | 'sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf' at a cli |
| 05:46.50 | KerrMD | streuner: how would I tell |
| 05:46.51 | craigevil | uses wicd in kde4, never liked nm |
| 05:47.05 | rgr | KerrMD: you cant. raise a bug. |
| 05:47.06 | craigevil | nm overwrites resolv.conf |
| 05:47.25 | streuner | KerrMD: /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 05:47.27 | rgr | Any network tweak UIs should be launched with gksudoe or the kde equiv. |
| 05:47.27 | KerrMD | What is a better NM? |
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| 05:47.38 | streuner | well, as streuner iam able to alter DNS-Server... |
| 05:47.43 | JohnWittle | KerrMD: wicd is the network manager favoured by people who have trouble with nm |
| 05:47.44 | rgr | wicd used to be better not anymore. |
| 05:47.46 | KerrMD | and how would I install that one instead? |
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| 05:48.02 | JohnWittle | if you do "sudo apt-get install wicd" it should automatically stop nm and related daemons |
| 05:48.04 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys wireless |
| 05:48.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wireless' by key (13): wireless help ;; what's my wireless ;; wireless connection managers ;; wireless ;; whats my wireless ;; wireless howto ;; wireless-testing ;; _default wireless ;; compat-wireless ;; wireless tree ;; #debian wireless ;; wireless-tools ;; wireless connection manager. |
| 05:48.08 | rgr | you google "wicd" *but* I suggest not. |
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| 05:48.12 | KerrMD | Ah, I think wicd can be done without much pain if I remember correctly what I saw earlier when exploring |
| 05:48.36 | rgr | KerrMD: you really dont need wicd. 2 years ago maybe. |
| 05:48.39 | JohnWittle | KerrMD: correct; wicd is easy to set up. I will oppose rgr and say that wicd is excellent. |
| 05:48.49 | JohnWittle | but that he may be more knowledged than I am |
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| 05:49.08 | rgr | JohnWittle: try reading what I said. wicd IS excellent. BUT that is not his issue. His issue is the permissions on the launch icon. |
| 05:49.37 | JohnWittle | Oh. |
| 05:49.37 | rgr | I used wicd for ages. But NM is much improved recently. |
| 05:49.37 | streuner | that shouldnt be an issue at all |
| 05:49.51 | rgr | streuner: huh? Of course it is. |
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| 05:51.14 | rgr | The problem with using wicd is that when it goes wrong in 6 months with a Debian update the usual suspects here will tell you to use NM as thats the debian standard. |
| 05:51.35 | streuner | it wouldnt make much sense to login as user and not able to alter DNS Server... |
| 05:51.46 | KerrMD | streuner: I agree |
| 05:51.59 | rgr | that makes zero sense. |
| 05:52.10 | streuner | via NM |
| 05:52.24 | wols | rgr: very few people tell to use NM. many more tell you to use interfaces, and some wicd |
| 05:52.43 | rgr | wols: thats nonsense as NM works now. |
| 05:52.52 | craigevil | the nm.desktop in /usr/share/applications should have su-to-root -X -c which is what Synaptic has and it opens as root |
| 05:53.10 | KerrMD | Ok, perhaps the issue is as listed in their faq for NM. "Male sure 'human' users are in the netdev group? |
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| 05:53.32 | KerrMD | or would that stop me from seeing it period? |
| 05:53.47 | rgr | the point is that it *should* prompt you for permissions and *then* if you dont have them only allow you to do "user stuff": |
| 05:54.11 | KerrMD | Ok, that begs hte queston "Why was I not prompted?"/ |
| 05:54.14 | wols | rgr: just talking about what you perceive as "standard". which certainly isn't |
| 05:54.15 | streuner | KerrMD: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#GNOME |
| 05:54.24 | rgr | and why should you as a desktop user even have to know what a "netdev" user is? Bug. Log it. |
| 05:54.29 | KerrMD | streuner: I am using kde not gnome |
| 05:54.38 | streuner | KerrMD: "Ensure your user account is a member of the netdev group." |
| 05:54.55 | rgr | streuner is being rather silly and "rtfm"ing you. |
| 05:55.08 | KerrMD | Funny part is that I just asked about netdev |
| 05:55.42 | rgr | albeit to the wrong DE faq... |
| 05:55.50 | KerrMD | Honestly, I DO look for the answers before I come into a strange room asking. =P |
| 05:56.02 | KerrMD | +1 rgr.. lol |
| 05:56.36 | rgr | KerrMD: dont worry about it. We all need to ask humans sometime. 5 hours reading conflicting out of date docs or come here and ask. Its why irc exists,,, |
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| 05:59.43 | KerrMD | Ok, after adding myself to netdev I would need to log out and back in? |
| 05:59.55 | nsadmin | KerrMD, then let what you have learned this occasion from when you "look for the answers" form part of the context of your query here |
| 06:00.04 | streuner | you should read the whole URL we you before :-) |
| 06:00.28 | streuner | KerrMD: whats hard to read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#GNOME? |
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| 06:00.55 | craigevil | KerrMD> streuner: I am using kde not gnome |
| 06:01.25 | craigevil | does the gnome on the end not imply wifi use in gnome? |
| 06:02.12 | streuner | KerrMD: NM is part of DE GNOME... |
| 06:02.46 | wols | and kde too |
| 06:02.59 | streuner | KerrMD: the procedure is always the same, if you make changes about a group you have to login and back in... |
| 06:03.20 | streuner | s/login/logout/ |
| 06:03.37 | craigevil | well in kde nm -kde is just a transitional package at least it is in kde4, network-manager-kde - transitional package for plasma-widget-networkmanagement |
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| 06:05.10 | wols | wcrsimple name change doesn't mean there is a deeper change |
| 06:05.40 | wols | and it is transitional so sold installs get properly updated |
| 06:05.48 | wols | s/sold/old/ |
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| 06:07.53 | alex-hu | I have a following difficulty: when I start any terminal emulator, it hangs (as in shell waits forever to output anything); the same problem happens when I try to run shell in emacs. What might be the cause (I thought lack of pts, but dmesg does not indicate this)? |
| 06:08.06 | tonsofpcs | login script. |
| 06:08.27 | alex-hu | tonsofpcs: why login script? it doesn't make sense |
| 06:08.49 | alex-hu | tonsofpcs: ok, got it |
| 06:08.53 | alex-hu | Thank you. |
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| 06:09.14 | tonsofpcs | :) |
| 06:10.56 | alex-hu | tonsofpcs: that was so easy, but somewhat non-obvious :-) |
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| 06:12.28 | Neo | greetz everyone |
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| 06:12.51 | Neo | how can i prevent specific packages from upgrading themsefs on a apt-get upgrade |
| 06:13.07 | craigevil | !tell Neo about hold |
| 06:13.07 | streuner | /msg dpkg hold |
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| 06:13.30 | alex-hu | Neo: it's "=" in aptitude, afair |
| 06:13.40 | Neo | ahh i see |
| 06:13.42 | Neo | perfect |
| 06:13.49 | Neo | thanks |
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| 06:23.38 | JasonWoof | gnome-terminal (after very recent upgrade (via apt-get)) now ignores my gtk theme, (preferences dialog for example looks like windows 95)) also spits out these messages: http://paste.debian.net/120126/ |
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| 06:24.49 | JasonWoof | I'm running debian unstable, and just did an "apt-get update" and upgraded everything from within aptitude (pressed shift-U, etc.) and rebooted |
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| 06:25.17 | JasonWoof | oh, and I've set gnome to run xmonad instead of metacity |
| 06:25.30 | JasonWoof | I've still got the gnome panel, systray, etc |
| 06:25.38 | JohnWittle | JasonWoof: I would imagine it has something to do with that. |
| 06:25.47 | JohnWittle | Try running metacity and see if it works |
| 06:25.51 | JohnWittle | then switch back |
| 06:26.01 | JasonWoof | gnome-terminal worked beautifully before upgrade to gnome-terminal-3.0 |
| 06:26.11 | JasonWoof | gedit still uses my selected gtk theme |
| 06:26.23 | JohnWittle | Hmm |
| 06:26.30 | JohnWittle | you're right, it doesn't sound like your wm is the problem |
| 06:26.36 | JasonWoof | as does pidgin |
| 06:26.53 | JohnWittle | although sometimes the hints supplied by your wm interfere with various stuff if it isn't used to it; |
| 06:27.01 | JohnWittle | is there any harm to swapping out for metacity to test? |
| 06:27.08 | KerrMD | "Only interfaces which are not listed in "/etc/network/interfaces" or which have been configured with "auto …" or "allow-hotplug …" and "iface … inet dhcp" (with no other options) are managed by NM to avoid conflict with ifupdown." |
| 06:27.12 | KerrMD | There's the answer. |
| 06:27.22 | JasonWoof | I opened up the gedit preferences dialog next to the gnome-terminal one, and changed my gnome controlls theme back and forth, and watched the gedit preferences window update live, and the gnome-terminal preferences window do nothing |
| 06:27.36 | KerrMD | thanks for the point in the proper direction folks |
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| 06:28.23 | JasonWoof | JohnWittle: eh, why not. might close all my windows, but I'll bbiab |
| 06:28.29 | streuner | KerrMD: ehm, just disable all daemons (interfaces, wicd or such), if you run NM... |
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| 06:28.54 | KerrMD | streuner: nm may be running but I have not used it. I made the change in the interfaces file. testing it now |
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| 06:29.08 | nsadmin | how does nm know? |
| 06:29.13 | streuner | KerrMD: nah, no need to make changes there |
| 06:29.19 | streuner | true |
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| 06:29.40 | JasonWoof | JohnWittle: yeah, I think for the full effect, I better log out of gnome. brb |
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| 06:31.09 | KerrMD | streuner: may be no need but it works and I like knowing how to do things "the old fashioned way". Just in case |
| 06:31.20 | KerrMD | I prefer it most times |
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| 06:34.09 | JasonWoof | JohnWittle: nope, same error and uglyness with standard gnome+metacity |
| 06:39.11 | JasonWoof | eh, probably some glitch related to gnome-3.0 upgrade |
| 06:39.34 | JasonWoof | that doesn't bother me so much, though I wish I could get rid of the white triangle in the bottom right corner of my gnome-terminal windows |
| 06:39.38 | Bushmills | JasonWoof: isn't there a windowmanager, written in colorforth? |
| 06:39.53 | JasonWoof | Bushmills: lol |
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| 06:40.54 | JohnWittle | JasonWoof: Perhaps try a different terminal |
| 06:40.57 | JasonWoof | Bushmills: my brain is spinning trying to imagine having my window manager running in bochs |
| 06:41.00 | JohnWittle | to use in the interim before it gets fixed |
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| 06:41.34 | JasonWoof | JohnWittle: oh, it's perfectly usable, I was just wondering if those errors were meaningful to anybody |
| 06:42.34 | JasonWoof | wondering if there's something I could do. Right not it seems to me the prudent thing to do is wait |
| 06:42.44 | gnarface | JasonWoof: my terminal hasn't betrayed my window manager theme in over 13 years |
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| 06:43.27 | JasonWoof | gnarface: have you tried gnome-3.0.1 in debian unstable? |
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| 06:43.45 | gnarface | JasonWoof: i haven't used gnome in over 13 years |
| 06:44.03 | JasonWoof | I really like that there's two nicks in here that start with "gnarf"... despite my tab-completions failing |
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| 06:44.37 | JasonWoof | gnarface: I haven't used linux for 13 years yet |
| 06:44.52 | JasonWoof | about 10 though... I'm getting there |
| 06:45.13 | gnarface | the thing is about gnome and kde |
| 06:45.21 | gnarface | there's a lot of pressure in their communities to "progress" |
| 06:45.37 | gnarface | and sometimes "progress" isn't really progress |
| 06:45.59 | JasonWoof | heh :) it's much easier to agree that progress should be made, than on what exactly constitutes progress |
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| 06:46.22 | gnarface | if you want more stable behavior, pick something less flashy with less active development |
| 06:46.43 | Lasers | Hi. I'm curious about web developers on debian. You just suck up and use Chromium 6? |
| 06:46.57 | gnarface | JasonWoof: i like e16 because it hasn't changed significantly (except gotten less buggy) at all in more than a good decade or so |
| 06:47.27 | gnarface | Lasers: nothing is wrong with iceweasel. also, opera supports debian even if debian doesn't support opera |
| 06:48.11 | gnarface | Lasers: web developers typically can't get by with just one browser |
| 06:48.12 | JasonWoof | Lasers: on debian, firefox is called iceweasel, same thing though |
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| 06:48.46 | gnarface | JasonWoof: same thing but with less 0-days |
| 06:49.03 | JasonWoof | :) |
| 06:49.07 | Lasers | Ah okay. I was just wondering. I like using chromium personally myself. |
| 06:49.18 | Lasers | iceweasel, icedove. :o |
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| 06:49.20 | JasonWoof | yeah, it's the good bits of firefox |
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| 06:52.37 | JasonWoof | gnarface: what I want from a WM/desktop environment is quite simple, it's just not normal |
| 06:53.34 | JasonWoof | I hate the idea of windows being these floating boxes that patially obscure eachother |
| 06:53.38 | gnarface | Lasers: icweasel/icedove are basically just firefox/thunderbird without the logos. fun fact: Mozilla.org software is Open Source in both the "free as in beer" and "free as in speech" sense. Mozilla.org logos however are only free in the "piss us off and we may revoke your right to use it at a whim" |
| 06:53.57 | JasonWoof | I think my computer should be smart enough to arrange the windows so I can see them fully |
| 06:53.58 | gnarface | way |
| 06:54.53 | gnarface | JasonWoof: i don't have any problems with manual positioning, i just wish i could use the force instead of this mouse |
| 06:55.12 | JasonWoof | I _love_ the name iceweasel. |
| 06:55.38 | gnarface | JasonWoof: with e16 you can have it store your window positions and such so that they reappear in the same place every time... |
| 06:55.56 | Lasers | gnarface: What did you guys do? C'mon, spit it out. |
| 06:56.01 | JasonWoof | yeah, saving window positions works for many cases. |
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| 06:56.15 | Lasers | gnarface: You stole Mozilla's nice lady.... I knew it. |
| 06:56.32 | Lasers | That fox. I can't keep myself away from her. |
| 06:56.49 | gnarface | Lasers: i had nothing to do with it, but i believe it had something to do with the changing of a configuration default setting of a new parameter of some sort that the debian packger felt was insecure |
| 06:56.55 | JasonWoof | I almost never want anything besides either: 1) window is using the left half of the screen 2) window is on the right half of the screen 3) window covers the whole screen. |
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| 06:57.28 | JasonWoof | so I'm experimenting with xmonad, which puts all my windows in one of those places, and lets me easily switch between them. |
| 06:57.38 | Lasers | gnarface: If I want to use [latest] chromium, what's the options? |
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| 06:58.03 | JasonWoof | Also, instead of tabs, it splits up the right column (into rows) so all windows in the current workspace are fully visible at once. This is new for me, but so far I like it |
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| 06:58.20 | gnarface | JasonWoof: i also like the edge-snap behavior of window boundaries and desktop edges of e16 better than any other WM's as well as the multi-desktop/pager feature (drag+drop pager rules!) |
| 06:58.23 | Lasers | !xmonad |
| 06:58.23 | dpkg | xmonad is a dynamically tiling <window manager>, written in <Haskell> and packaged for Debian. http://www.xmonad.org/ http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions #xmonad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:58.36 | Lasers | JasonWoof: Install xmonad and you're done? |
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| 06:59.01 | JasonWoof | Lasers: on debian unstable, chromium is at 11.0.696.71 (86024) |
| 06:59.18 | Lasers | JasonWoof: On Squeeze, please? :) |
| 06:59.30 | gnarface | chromium is what... is that google chrome, or is it some webkit thing more like safari? |
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| 06:59.49 | JasonWoof | gnarface: chrome's upstream |
| 06:59.50 | Lasers | gnarface: Yeah -- without that extra icky Google tracking stuffs. |
| 06:59.56 | gnarface | i thought chromium was a mouse-controlled bullet hell game |
| 06:59.59 | JasonWoof | gnarface: chrome without the google proprietary gunk |
| 07:00.23 | JasonWoof | gnarface: yeah... that's chromium-bsu. they renamed the package eventually |
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| 07:00.37 | Lasers | gnarface: It's a web browser. The one I like. It got that "fast" responsive feeling. It does not feel bloated like iceweasel. |
| 07:00.56 | gnarface | iceweasel DOES feel bloated |
| 07:01.06 | JasonWoof | midori is quite nice now if you like lean and fast |
| 07:01.07 | gnarface | starts slow ass sometimes too, but maybe that's just cause i don't have enough swap |
| 07:01.14 | matson | Firefox has been bloated ever since version 3. |
| 07:01.20 | Bushmills | JasonWoof: i just installed i3-wm, "dynamic tiling", which sounds interesting but haven't taken the time to look at it yet. http://i3wm.org |
| 07:01.22 | matson | Version 2 was great, though. |
| 07:01.24 | gnarface | what does midori use? the thing is i really do like gecko |
| 07:01.51 | Lasers | gnarface: I don't mind anything else being behind -- as long as it's solid stable. However, I'll give chromium a break. No big dael. |
| 07:01.52 | Bushmills | gnarface: webkit |
| 07:01.52 | Lasers | deal* |
| 07:02.01 | JasonWoof | gnarface: pretty sure midori uses webkit now, which I assume is partly why it's so fast |
| 07:02.23 | JasonWoof | Lasers: xmonad requires some configuration |
| 07:02.41 | JasonWoof | Lasers: it's targeted at hardcore geeks |
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| 07:03.02 | Lasers | JasonWoof: I see. I was considering Arch if I can't get latest chromium on debian squeeze. chromium + awesome. |
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| 07:03.49 | Lasers | JasonWoof: I want to focus more on productivity -- and less time playing around. So debian it is -- but it sucks if I have to use unstable/sid. :< |
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| 07:03.56 | Lasers | Also, to read more things. |
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| 07:05.20 | JasonWoof | Bushmills: i3 sounds very cool. I used wmii for quite a while and was generally happy. |
| 07:05.46 | JasonWoof | Lasers: what sucks about unstable? |
| 07:06.06 | JasonWoof | Lasers: unstable is pretty reliable |
| 07:06.06 | Lasers | JasonWoof: Nothing tbh. I'm just not that versed with debian yet. |
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| 07:06.39 | Lasers | JasonWoof: If I'm going for debian/unstable, I was wondering -- Why shouldn't I use Arch? |
| 07:06.48 | JasonWoof | Lasers: if you want recent versions of things on your desktop/laptop, then unstable seems like the way to go to me |
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| 07:08.02 | JasonWoof | Lasers: I'm not the best person to ask, but my impression is that debian tries more to be stable and have things interract well, whereas sarch tries more to have the latest version of everything and tries to fiddle with the upstream code as little as possible |
| 07:08.16 | JasonWoof | s/sarch/Arch/ |
| 07:08.25 | gnarface | Lasers: i tend to use unstable on development, gaming and multimedia production desktops and put stable on all my servers. it works well and you can always get the official package too |
| 07:08.34 | gnarface | (if debian doesn't provide one) |
| 07:08.40 | Lasers | Understood. |
| 07:08.47 | Neo | hmm.. it appears that one of my systems doesn't want to grab a IPv6 address from my dhcp/radvd box. being a vanilla netinstall, is there any other configuration that I need to do (i don't recall having to do any other config on any of my other boxes, but this one doesn't seem to want to pick an ip up) |
| 07:08.54 | Lasers | And you get to fiddle less in debian. |
| 07:08.56 | Lasers | :) |
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| 07:09.18 | JasonWoof | Lasers: debian stable is meant for servers, or for computers where you would much rather have rock solid stability than recent versions of anything |
| 07:09.23 | Lasers | Default nano colors, I like that. In Arch, I have to set it up -- not too shabby -- but eah, less configuration time. |
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| 07:09.59 | babilen | Lasers: Please consider running wheezy too. Note that you might and will run into problems in the long run -- http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable is worth a look |
| 07:10.12 | JasonWoof | Lasers: yeah, I've gotten the vague impression that Arch is for people that want to set things up themselves. |
| 07:10.58 | JasonWoof | Lasers: somehow debian hits the sweet spot for me there. It tends to have reasonable default settings and often auto-starts daemons you install. |
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| 07:11.10 | Lasers | JasonWoof: I don't hate Arch. It's really awesome, tbh. "pacman -Syu" is definitely more effective/useful than "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 07:11.29 | Lasers | I got tired of typing repeated commands (or using Ctrl + R) to find old commands. |
| 07:11.32 | JasonWoof | Lasers: ubuntu auto-started things I installed and it often made me angry. Somehow debian does it right for me. |
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| 07:12.15 | JasonWoof | Lasers: I don't care how long the command is. if you want something shorter make an alias or shell script. or use aptitude |
| 07:12.17 | Lasers | I might want to write a script- Something like... "apt -Syu" -- Which will update && upgrade. Bash function. :) |
| 07:12.53 | JasonWoof | I don't hate Arch either. I'm just trying to keep my ears open to see what people like about it |
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| 07:13.31 | JasonWoof | so far I've not talked to many people, but hear people saying they like the purity and how up-to-date it is |
| 07:13.39 | Lasers | JasonWoof: I'm leaning on wheezy (thanks, babilen). If anything, I can move to unstable at decided time. |
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| 07:14.17 | JasonWoof | Lasers: just remember if you want recent versions, go to unstable. |
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| 07:14.35 | JasonWoof | Lasers: if you don't care about recent and want "just works for years" then stick with a stable release |
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| 07:15.02 | babilen | JasonWoof: You typically get recent enough versions in testing. (and stable !) |
| 07:15.07 | Lasers | JasonWoof: I want debian 7.0 already. I want chromium. I want libreoffice. :P |
| 07:15.14 | JasonWoof | don't use testing |
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| 07:15.31 | JasonWoof | Lasers: so upgrade to unstable. I've been running it for almost a year, and it's awesome |
| 07:15.45 | matson | Is there ever going to be a .1 release, like Debian 3.1 Sarge? |
| 07:15.47 | JasonWoof | chromium 11, libreoffice, etc |
| 07:15.57 | Lasers | JasonWoof: You also run Gnome2? |
| 07:16.08 | JasonWoof | Lasers: bits of it, yes |
| 07:16.24 | JasonWoof | Lasers: debian doesn't ship gnome3 yet because it's still kinda broken |
| 07:16.27 | matson | Or is Debian going to be 7.0, 8.0 and so on? |
| 07:16.29 | babilen | Gnome2 is standard in all versions of debian |
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| 07:16.52 | Lasers | Terribly. I tried it. I found a bug in first hour. |
| 07:17.00 | JasonWoof | Lasers: I've set it to run xmonad instead of metacity, but other than that I think I'm running the rest of gnome2 |
| 07:18.05 | JasonWoof | I'm assuming gnome3 is a lot less broken now than when I tried it. But I'm not at all surprised that the debian folks don't think it's ready for use |
| 07:18.34 | Lasers | I'm going to stay away from it for some time until it's mainstreamed. -- but at same time -- I want to try new things. |
| 07:19.20 | Lasers | I don't know. Arch (awesome) or Debian(testing/unstable) on awesome. I used awesome for some time, I'm still getting used to it -- but it's not too bad. |
| 07:19.24 | JasonWoof | Lasers: I usually leave a spare 20-40GB partition on my main hard drive so I can try other distros |
| 07:19.42 | Tectu | Lasers: Arch is awesome yes, but i switched to debian sid a few days ago |
| 07:19.51 | Lasers | JasonWoof: I have bunch of 20GB HDD. It just seems less hassle. :) |
| 07:19.59 | Tectu | ah wait, you mean the awesome window manager.... sry -.- |
| 07:20.26 | JasonWoof | Lasers: yes, very cool. My motherboard didn't come with any spare SATA ports (*&^#$# Dell) |
| 07:20.27 | Lasers | JasonWoof: Buy a Xbox360 HDD (20GB). Rip it out. Use it for system core. Keep the other hard drives for media. |
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| 07:21.03 | JasonWoof | Lasers: why an xbox one? |
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| 07:21.32 | Lasers | JasonWoof: Small HDD size. |
| 07:21.51 | JasonWoof | Lasers: and what's preferable about it being small? |
| 07:22.12 | JasonWoof | I was thinking of getting the $80 2TB drive on amazon |
| 07:22.25 | Lasers | JasonWoof: Nothing -- but it's my preferences. I prefer to use 20GB for system core -- and everything else on the separate hard drives. |
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| 07:22.33 | Lasers | System core -- being the OS. |
| 07:22.41 | JasonWoof | ok |
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| 07:22.51 | Bushmills | tendentially, smaller hard disks = slower hard disks |
| 07:22.55 | matson | Well surely it would be cheaper to get just the disk, not the Xbox enclosure for it? |
| 07:23.09 | Lasers | Cheaper? Heh. Free. |
| 07:23.56 | matson | You get Xbox HDDs for free? Or you just happened to have an unused one? |
| 07:24.01 | Bushmills | " Buy a Xbox360 HDD (20GB)" "for free" ??= |
| 07:24.02 | Lasers | People are tossing out 20GB as soon as the new 120GB came out (with Elites) and -- now we have Xbox S. Some people are trying to abandon the old one. I just tell them I want the 20GB HDD. |
| 07:24.25 | Bushmills | "special offer. free sales, only today" |
| 07:24.26 | Lasers | It's nice because of laptop-sized hard drive. Can use it for HTPC. (XBMC). And also, M350 Universal Case. |
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| 07:24.43 | Lasers | Bushmills: Friends, we have them all. |
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| 07:25.14 | Bushmills | i don't have mine to get free hard disks from :) |
| 07:25.15 | matson | Do the Xboxers put a bigger drive in the enclosure, or do they scrap the whole thing? |
| 07:25.46 | Lasers | http://www.short-circuit.com/images/products/cases/m350s-1-lg.jpg |
| 07:26.02 | JasonWoof | tries to think of more than one friend with an xbox |
| 07:26.31 | Bushmills | but granted, nobody wants those old 20 GiB HDs anymore, and those are being dumped |
| 07:26.44 | Lasers | matson: They generally buy the 250GB HDD. (From Microsoft). But that's old. The new Xbox S -- You can't detach anything. They released 250GB external HDD for those with poor Xbox S (4GB + Kinect). |
| 07:27.31 | Lasers | Bushmills: Right. I get them. I got 5 of 20GB. Don't have to buy anything. They just don't use them anymore. |
| 07:28.03 | Bushmills | i've been offered a handfull of 5 MiB Seagate MFM drives, recently. |
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| 07:28.10 | Lasers | And I don't have to move files for backup. I just install it. Set up symbolic links for ~/bin and few files. That's it. |
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| 07:29.02 | Bushmills | wondering how hard it would be nowadays to find an MFM disk controller |
| 07:29.10 | JasonWoof | Lasers: you don't mount your big hard drive as /home?! |
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| 07:29.31 | Lasers | JasonWoof: Err. I'm still worried about that. |
| 07:29.34 | deeLer | use "ps aux" a lot ... but the lines with long process names are truncated, is there an option to make ps use a second line ? |
| 07:29.42 | Lasers | JasonWoof: I could had -- but it's encrypted. |
| 07:30.10 | Lasers | I'd have to mess around with crypsetup (and possibly lvm2, unsure). |
| 07:30.18 | matson | Used hardware RAID cards are really cheap these days. If I had that many identical drives, I would RAID them. |
| 07:30.47 | Bushmills | deeLer: try (cough) ps aux | cat |
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| 07:31.08 | Lasers | I use "ps -aux" Dunno. |
| 07:31.51 | JohnWittle | Lasers: ps doesn't use |
| 07:31.57 | JohnWittle | '-' to flag arguments |
| 07:32.05 | Bushmills | ps aux -w would do too |
| 07:32.14 | JasonWoof | Lasers: my home partition is encrypted |
| 07:32.38 | Bushmills | or just ps auxw |
| 07:32.44 | Bushmills | even looking into man page to find w option would do |
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| 07:32.51 | deeLer | okay, thanks |
| 07:33.10 | JasonWoof | Lasers: but I can relate. I put off setting up encryption on my laptop for a long time |
| 07:33.30 | Lasers | JohnWittle: Really? Thank you for that information. I recall seeing something about -- everytime I use a command |
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| 07:34.03 | Lasers | JasonWoof: Just how hard is it to set up a new installation with existing encrypted home partition? |
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| 07:34.08 | Bushmills | JasonWoof: checked out encfs? very simple to set up |
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| 07:34.20 | deeLer | +1 on encfs, works great |
| 07:34.49 | JasonWoof | Bushmills: I use that too. very cool. |
| 07:35.12 | JasonWoof | I have my passwords in encfs, and scripts which auto-unmount it after 5 minutes |
| 07:35.30 | Bushmills | oh, right, it *is* encrpyted. from the following comment i destilled that you were still putting off |
| 07:35.54 | sylar | how do I make 'ps aux' show priority too? |
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| 07:36.04 | JasonWoof | Lasers: I'm not sure. I found it a little frustrating, but I did it before squeeze was released, when the partitioning step of the installer was kinda broken |
| 07:36.22 | JasonWoof | Lasers: took me a while to figure out what to put in /etc/crypttab |
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| 07:36.57 | Lasers | !info encfs |
| 07:37.18 | JasonWoof | the trick is to put " none luks" at the end of lines in /etc/crypttab |
| 07:37.19 | dpkg | encfs: (encrypted virtual filesystem), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.7.4-2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 400 kB, Installed size: 1828 kB |
| 07:37.49 | fishsponge | hey people... i'd like a way for my non-technical parents to connect to my debian server to backup their photos etc... i could teach them how to use FTP, but is there anything better or easier you can think of? |
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| 07:38.05 | fishsponge | this is over the internet too, by the way... |
| 07:38.12 | deeLer | fishsponge, you're talking windows clients? |
| 07:38.26 | JasonWoof | encfs uses fuse. You get a tree of encripted files (with obfuscated filenames) you can fuse mount it with encfs to get access to the cleartext version of the file tree. just fusermount -u and all that's left is the encrypted version |
| 07:38.27 | Lasers | fishsponge: Bookmark a folder in Nautilus if your parents are using Debian. |
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| 07:42.42 | JasonWoof | fishsponge: Linux Action Show dude reccomended iFolder, sparkleshare and owncloud as alternatives to dropbox that you can host yourself. at a glance they don't appear to be in debian, but maybe worth a look |
| 07:43.16 | fishsponge | deeLer, yes - windows clients |
| 07:43.17 | Bushmills | fishsponge: scp/sftp with keys, and bookmark in file manager (nautilus/konqueror) |
| 07:43.48 | Bushmills | both support sftp |
| 07:43.52 | harobed | hi, some tip about "How can I configure debian/rules binary to build only : libxml2 and libxml2-dev package ?" http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.backports.general/7442 |
| 07:43.54 | fishsponge | Bushmills, again, their on Windows... |
| 07:43.59 | Bushmills | winscp |
| 07:44.04 | fishsponge | well... not again to yourself :-) |
| 07:44.09 | deeLer | fishsponge: I use Deltacopy, it's an rsync server for windows, I use it myself to autobackup the laptop to a server. all happens in the background, your parents won't even notice |
| 07:44.20 | fishsponge | oh, cool! |
| 07:44.30 | Lasers | fishsponge: Google Picasa? |
| 07:44.32 | deeLer | fishsponge: use a script on your debianbox to do the backup... |
| 07:44.41 | fishsponge | so when their laptop is on at random times, sometimes not for long, it'll just sort everything and make it good over time? |
| 07:44.41 | squantrill | Just upgraded a lenny to squeeze and lost my data partition snooping around I found this http://pastie.org/pastes/2081507/text can anybody explain this whats going on doesnt seem logical to mount the same partition and get differing results ? |
| 07:45.05 | deeLer | that's right fishsponge , rsync magic |
| 07:45.16 | fishsponge | deeLer, this is my parent's laptops... to run a script on my debian box, i'd have to open their firewall, forward ports, know when their laptops were on etc... |
| 07:45.24 | ansgar | harobed: #debian-mentors on OFTC. And why not just build the other binary package as well? |
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| 07:45.35 | Bushmills | fishsponge: openvpn |
| 07:45.36 | deeLer | I combine it with a e-mail report daily, so you know if there is a backup made |
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| 07:45.52 | harobed | ansgar, because, it a backport, I don't need python… |
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| 07:46.06 | ansgar | harobed: They you don't install it. |
| 07:46.10 | fishsponge | Bushmills, thanks for that, but i need to keep this simple. if my parents have to connect to vpn first, they won't do it... i need really, really simple! |
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| 07:46.27 | Bushmills | fishsponge: run openvpn as service, so it autoconnects |
| 07:46.27 | deeLer | fishsponge: indeed, you'll need portforwarding, ddns, and perhaps static DHCP leases on their side |
| 07:46.28 | harobed | ansgar, yes, but python 2.7 isn't backported in lenny |
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| 07:46.41 | harobed | ansgar, I can compile libxml2 but not lxml |
| 07:46.48 | Bushmills | no need for port forwarding, ddns, etc |
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| 07:47.12 | Lasers | fishsponge: Get an external hard drive. |
| 07:47.15 | fishsponge | i'd rather let the job be run from their laptops to be honest... |
| 07:47.18 | deeLer | Bushmills: indeed, that's a nicer solution |
| 07:47.34 | fishsponge | external hard drive is great, but it'd be nicer if they could just copy stuff to the PC at my house |
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| 07:47.57 | fishsponge | openvpn as a service is an option... they would then use samba? |
| 07:47.58 | Bushmills | fishsponge: again, openvpn. peer to peer, through server |
| 07:48.04 | fishsponge | or scp, or rsync or whatever, i guess |
| 07:48.13 | Bushmills | means, their pc and your pc share a common subnet |
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| 07:48.28 | deeLer | fishsponge: alternative would be to use WebDrive, a windows tool that mounts your FTP server as a Driveletter, and then combine it with a backup tool such as Cobian |
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| 07:48.38 | deeLer | oh no wiat, Cobian even supports FTP servers i guess |
| 07:48.44 | Lasers | Dropbox! Why does Debian not support it? |
| 07:48.53 | fishsponge | they could do the copy/paste of files themselves... but not a lot else |
| 07:48.55 | Lasers | !dropbox |
| 07:48.55 | dpkg | Dropbox is a web-based file hosting service, using cloud computing to store/share files. The closed source dropbox.com client is a mess of copyright violations and cannot be distributed by Debian (see Debian bug #610257). The open source <Nautilus> plugin is packaged for Debian as nautilus-dropbox (i386, amd64 only); this <non-free> package is currently available only in sid (ask me about <simple sid backport>). |
| 07:48.59 | fishsponge | webdrive is a nice option |
| 07:49.02 | deeLer | Lasers: runnig dropbox here on sid |
| 07:49.16 | Lasers | deeLer: Was it in the repo or you had to add it yourself? |
| 07:49.30 | deeLer | get the .deb from the dropbox site |
| 07:49.52 | Lasers | deeLer: Gotcha. |
| 07:49.55 | fishsponge | oh, so i can actually run a dropbox server at home? would my parents visit a web interface, login and upload ZIP files or whatever then? |
| 07:50.02 | deeLer | fishsponge: check out Cobian, you can schedule it |
| 07:50.04 | fishsponge | and does webdrive actually work well? |
| 07:50.20 | fishsponge | scheduling is pointless here... the laptops are on at random times |
| 07:50.23 | Lasers | fishsponge: If your parents are using Windows.... Download and install Dropbox. |
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| 07:50.35 | Lasers | fishsponge: There are limitations -- 2GB. |
| 07:50.39 | deeLer | fishsponge: you won't need webdrive , cobian has built-in FTP support for backups |
| 07:50.50 | fishsponge | 2GB limitation is no good... they have lots of photos |
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| 07:51.27 | deeLer | fishsponge: Cobian will also copy only new/changed files |
| 07:51.30 | deeLer | + its free |
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| 07:51.45 | Alvo__ | hi my gpg tool does nothing anymore, it stopped with the message |
| 07:51.49 | Alvo__ | Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give |
| 07:51.50 | Alvo__ | the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 284 more bytes) |
| 07:52.02 | Alvo__ | how can i make gpg to finish its job? |
| 07:52.14 | fishsponge | hmm... so all i need to do is allow SSH connections from my parents IP, install cobian onto all of their laptops, setup some user accounts and have it SCP everything over whenever the laptop is on? |
| 07:52.28 | Lasers | "Should I use sid on my server? Are you insane? No!" Heh. |
| 07:52.50 | Alvo__ | omg meanwhile it finished |
| 07:52.52 | Lasers | I'm insane! I'm so going to install sid on the server! |
| 07:53.03 | fishsponge | only trouble is, their internet is rather slow at times, so if it's backing up when they dont want it to, they'll have to go in and stop it... ideally, they need to kick it off... but i can teach my dad how to use cobian, right? |
| 07:53.04 | deeLer | fishsponge: indeed |
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| 07:53.27 | fishsponge | ok, cool |
| 07:53.33 | fishsponge | thanks for that!! :-) |
| 07:53.42 | deeLer | fishsponge: your bandwidth can't be resolved by software, use money for that :-) |
| 07:53.48 | fishsponge | indeed |
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| 07:54.05 | deeLer | you won't need to teach yr parents cobian, it can be scheduled, runs the job auto |
| 07:54.07 | fishsponge | money cant help here either. not a lot of ADSL bandwidth where they live, and cable is not an option |
| 07:54.21 | fishsponge | deeLer, scheduling won't help... laptops are on at random times |
| 07:54.33 | fishsponge | and as I said... |
| 07:54.38 | fishsponge | only trouble is, their internet is rather slow at times, so if it's backing up when they dont want it to, they'll have to go in and stop it... ideally, they need to kick it off... but i can teach my dad how to use cobian, right? |
| 07:54.53 | deeLer | fishsponge: there's also an 'when pc powers on', 'when logged in', 'when directory changes' option to trigger it |
| 07:54.57 | deeLer | check it out |
| 07:55.00 | fishsponge | oh, ok, cool |
| 07:55.08 | fishsponge | i'll get it working next time i'm over there! |
| 07:55.15 | fishsponge | is there a ddclient for Windows btw? |
| 07:55.28 | deeLer | yeah, plenty |
| 07:55.39 | fishsponge | they do not have a static IP, so i'll need to allow their dynamic hostname in through hosts.deny (if that works) |
| 07:55.41 | deeLer | but you might wanna do that on your router/modem |
| 07:55.57 | deeLer | THEIR router imean |
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| 07:56.19 | fishsponge | my parents can't get into their router/modem... password was lost long time ago and AOL said they'd have to send them a new one, and they can't be bothered with the hassle |
| 07:56.36 | Lasers | fishsponge: I used something like rsync -- lsyncd -- It's nice for local machines -- but I don't see why you can't use it. You just have to do some configuration in a gedit. What folder? Etc. It worked nicely. I'm able to have my three machines sync'd all times without Dropbox. |
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| 07:57.01 | fishsponge | Lasers, again, my parents use Windows. i'm not installing cygwin... i hate it! lol |
| 07:57.10 | Lasers | fishsponge: This is done mainly by giving all machines each others keys so they all can ssh in without password prompts. |
| 07:57.18 | Lasers | Then the rsync commands occurs. |
| 07:57.32 | fishsponge | oh... lsyncd is *like* rsync... i thought you ran "rsync --lsyncd" |
| 07:57.35 | fishsponge | lol |
| 07:57.50 | Lasers | http://code.google.com/p/lsyncd/ |
| 07:57.53 | fishsponge | i assume cobian can do keys too though... |
| 07:58.16 | deeLer | fishsponge: i set up a similar thing for my dad, put a cheap NSLU2 locally, it mirrors overnight to a second NSLU2 at my home over internet.... and vice versa |
| 07:58.20 | deeLer | using rsync of course |
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| 07:58.41 | fishsponge | Lasers, lsyncd appears to run on linux... once again - my parent's laptops are running Windows |
| 07:59.19 | fishsponge | right... i think i'll look into cobian! |
| 07:59.48 | Lasers | fishsponge: Solution? https://www.dropbox.com/plans -- Sorry but I want to make it very simple for your parents. We linux fanboys always want to do free -- but tough -- for our family and friends. :) |
| 08:00.13 | fishsponge | Lasers, thanks for that, but it's a login page for dropbox |
| 08:00.33 | Lasers | fishsponge: https://www.dropbox.com/pricing |
| 08:00.34 | fishsponge | and a 2gb limit is no good... |
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| 08:00.56 | fishsponge | and paying a subscription is not an option either |
| 08:01.01 | fishsponge | thanks though! |
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| 08:01.39 | Lasers | fishsponge: $10 for 50GB monthly. $120 for a year. Any particular reason why you need to have your parent's pr0n folders? They can get an external HDD and just copy it themselves. |
| 08:02.11 | Lasers | fishsponge: No problem. Good luck. >:3~ |
| 08:02.35 | fishsponge | they could get an external hard drive, yes... but at my house it's off site, and they don't have to keep going to get the external hard drive every time they want to do a backup, plus, it's cheaper. |
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| 08:03.18 | fishsponge | anyway, thanks for the advice, people! i'm going to look into cobian, and then possibly a free webdrive equivalent (if there is one). |
| 08:03.20 | fishsponge | cheers! |
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| 08:22.51 | Bushmills | that includes programs which aren't available for windows |
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| 08:35.03 | man_in_irssi | oh, did i come in in the middle of a netsplit? |
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| 08:35.31 | bocaneri | Yup. |
| 08:35.50 | man_in_irssi | yay |
| 08:36.05 | man_in_irssi | so libgl1-nvidia-glx doesn't provide libgl1 |
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| 08:39.23 | Arrowmaster | man_in_irssi: i think its done by libgl1-nvidia-alternatives |
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| 08:41.19 | man_in_irssi | Arrowmaster: aptitude show libgl1 says otherwise |
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| 08:41.37 | man_in_irssi | only libgl1-mesa-sw and libgl1-mesa-glx provide libgl1 |
| 08:41.51 | man_in_irssi | *swx11 |
| 08:42.24 | Arrowmaster | nvm i was thinking of something else |
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| 08:42.46 | holymoo | hi guys |
| 08:42.59 | holymoo | anyone running gmameui here? just curious if anyone managed to get sound to work with it |
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| 08:43.08 | man_in_irssi | Arrowmaster: this ligl.so.1 symlink? :) |
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| 08:51.38 | snadge | i am dist upgrading a xen hosted domU from lenny to squeeze.. and im encountering a problem with upgrading libc6, saying my kernel is too old |
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| 08:51.57 | snadge | apt-get -f install doesn't appear to resolve the issue, but the server is still running.. i sense a kind of chicken and egg problem |
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| 08:52.52 | snadge | is there a way i can bypass this limitation and install the newer libc6 anyway.. or will this result in a broken system? |
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| 08:58.21 | snadge | oh shart.. i didn't read the upgrade instructions and dont know how to recover from this point ;) |
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| 09:02.37 | clauwn | hey there, does anyone know how to change the ftp behaviour of aptitude? i need to use an empty password for an ftp server and i can't find the place to specify it |
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| 09:08.16 | twofish | opinions on passwdless sudo? |
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| 09:08.25 | JasonWoof | anybody know of a terminal emulator that keeps your prompt/cursor at the bottom of the screen when expand the window vertically? |
| 09:08.54 | JasonWoof | bonus if it starts your cursor at the bottom when you open a new window. |
| 09:11.14 | babilen | JasonWoof: Don't they all do that? |
| 09:11.32 | JasonWoof | babilen: no |
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| 09:12.04 | JasonWoof | babilen: xterm, gnome-terminal and terminator all add new blank lines at the bottom (at best) |
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| 09:12.16 | JasonWoof | gnome-terminal often adds blank lines randomly throughout the commandline history too |
| 09:12.36 | babilen | JasonWoof: Ah, I see what you mean. No I am not aware of a program that does it and never had the need for it. |
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| 09:13.02 | JasonWoof | I'm using a dynamic window manager that resizes my terminals regularly. |
| 09:13.15 | JasonWoof | mostly just vertically, which shouldn't cause any reformatting |
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| 09:13.24 | man_in_irssi | well i just reported a bug against libgl1-nvidia-glx |
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| 09:18.09 | snadge | can someone help me with my lenny -> squeeze upgrade? :) |
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| 09:19.05 | petemc | snadge: are you following the release notes? |
| 09:19.11 | snadge | i foolishly did an apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade .. with a standard stable and stable updates sources.list |
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| 09:19.37 | snadge | and it has aborted on libstdc++ upgrade saying my kernel is too old.. im wondering if its stafe to boot into a newer kernel and continue the dist-upgrade? |
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| 09:20.24 | snadge | or of my system may not boot now.. it has updated some packages but not the vast majority |
| 09:20.33 | cornair | which kernel version YOU have |
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| 09:20.43 | snadge | 2.6.16.33-xen |
| 09:20.47 | cornair | you can install more than one kernel at once |
| 09:20.50 | snadge | and it wants 2.6.18 or newer (i think) |
| 09:21.06 | cornair | try the newer one , if its not wokring, start your older kernel as you like |
| 09:21.19 | snadge | unfortunately it is a hosted xen domU and i do not have control over the dom0 or which kernel it boots.. so i may have to contact my provider and ask him to boot a newer kernel and copy the modules into my root filesystem ? |
| 09:21.21 | hanibana | hi. how can I limit the search results of aptitude or apt-cache to a specific section (like non-free)? |
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| 09:21.54 | claw | how to this bash a one line output ? echo "ibase=16; $var1"|bc; echo "."; echo "ibase=16; $var2"|bc; |
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| 09:23.24 | cornair | snadge: in that case I would prefer to ask your provider, if he can help you to upgrade your host |
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| 09:23.31 | jelly | claw: put the outputs of echo|bc into new variables |
| 09:24.15 | snadge | sigh the purpose of a dedicated system is that i should be able to manage it myself.. one of these days, i will get a xen domU with a *proper* front end management console which i have access too.. preferably web based |
| 09:25.11 | jelly | snadge: if you can boot a newer kernel in there, you should be able to continue the upgrade |
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| 09:25.40 | jelly | snadge: and by in there I mean your domU, not the host |
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| 09:26.26 | snadge | unfortunately he has hard coded the kernel into the domUs config.. i have no control over which kernel is booted.. something like pygrub would be convenient, but he is completely anal about security.. and there are issues with pygrub |
| 09:26.32 | JasonWoof | I seem to have a font called "Monospace". It shows both in the inkscape font picker and in gnome-terminal preferences (font picker). |
| 09:26.36 | JasonWoof | Is this really the name of a font? |
| 09:26.53 | JasonWoof | (either way) what package does it come from? |
| 09:27.26 | JasonWoof | if it's not a font (but a stand-in for the system's default font, where/how is the default font set? |
| 09:27.37 | squantrill | patsie: hi! |
| 09:27.41 | JasonWoof | I really like the font, and want to make sure I have access to it in the future |
| 09:28.00 | squantrill | wrong window sorry |
| 09:28.09 | w2310b | I apologise but may someone tell me what the chat irc is for debian? |
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| 09:28.44 | w2310b | I guessed it, nevermind lol |
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| 09:28.56 | JasonWoof | this turns up nothing: find /usr/share/fonts -iname '*monospace*' |
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| 09:29.14 | case__ | helloos, how can i see what kind of motherboard is in my supermicro server? |
| 09:30.07 | petemc | dmidecode --type baseboard |
| 09:30.40 | case__ | petemc: works! tnx |
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| 09:30.53 | petemc | np |
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| 09:32.05 | clauwn | nobody got an idea on apt and ftp? |
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| 09:32.47 | jelly | snadge: you can't use squeeze, then |
| 09:33.01 | case__ | my serial number is 0123456789 btw, what are the odds! |
| 09:33.57 | jelly | case__: what are the odds of cheap OEM not filling in the BIOS nvram settings correctly, indeed |
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| 09:37.33 | aton | hi, does anyone know where i can find a decent comparison of mobile phone operating systems and devices? i'd like a possibility to get root and google doesnt give me good results |
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| 09:42.45 | JasonWoof | clauwn: (just a stab in the dark here) have you tried putting it in the url, ie: ftp://user:@example.com/ |
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| 09:44.37 | clauwn | JasonWoof: yes, that was actually what i tried before getting in here |
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| 09:45.11 | JasonWoof | clauwn: bummer. I'm no help then. |
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| 09:48.13 | clauwn | JasonWoof: i solved it now :) user:@example.com won't work because apt won't use an empty password. a random string after the : works though. |
| 09:48.49 | clauwn | my problem was that the firewall didn't allow passwords longer than 10 letters so it blocked my requests |
| 09:48.57 | clauwn | thanks for your help anyway :) |
| 09:48.59 | clauwn | see you later guys |
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| 09:52.04 | JasonWoof | boggles over the idea of a firewall that doesn't allow long passwords |
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| 09:52.16 | JasonWoof | you'd think it would be less happy about short passwords |
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| 10:00.12 | w2310b | Hey guys, I managed to install debian fine with my wireless connection, but after installation the network icon tells me it hasn't set up any wireless networks even though I can still access the internet. Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 10:03.54 | w2310b | I tried making it again in the network manager, but it still comes up with 'device not managed' under wireless networks. I'm still browsing fine but I'd like it to work |
| 10:05.30 | w2310b | Is there a way to scan SSID in the network manager? I know what it is but I don't know what other details I have to fill out (which I assume a scan feature does automatically?) |
| 10:05.59 | w2310b | I'm in GNOME by the way, sorry I forgot to mention that |
| 10:08.00 | w2310b | 50 points to whoever responds |
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| 10:10.16 | w2310b | Alright I'll try a different question - I'm trying to install something from the software centre, and it keeps asking me for another DVD. Why is this? |
| 10:10.53 | sm1 | w2310b: can't tell what issue you have there with your network manager , bu you can try configureing network interfaces. |
| 10:11.14 | w2310b | sm1: 50 points to you. I have certainly given it a go but I'm afraid I must be doing it wrong |
| 10:11.40 | w2310b | Funny how I can still access the internet however and the setup downloaded everything it needed |
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| 10:12.01 | sm1 | hmm , hold on |
| 10:12.18 | w2310b | cheers |
| 10:12.20 | Sug | hi i am using centos where i can download torrent for debian ? |
| 10:12.48 | babilen | Sug: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
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| 10:13.21 | Sug | kfreebsd-i386 ? |
| 10:13.24 | w2310b | I was supposed to just use the first disc to install right? everyone else did that? |
| 10:13.54 | babilen | Sug: Yes, you can get kfreebsd images there as well. Or are you asking what that is? |
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| 10:14.37 | Sug | babilen: what is kfreebsd ? |
| 10:14.39 | w2310b | Hmmm, nevermind it looks like Debian had a cdrom source selected for some reason |
| 10:14.51 | babilen | !tell Sug -about kfreebsd |
| 10:15.07 | babilen | Sug: Essentially Debian with a FreeBSD kernel instead of a Linux one. |
| 10:16.05 | w2310b | babilen: would you have an idea as to why Debian would have a cdrom source selected by default in software sources? |
| 10:16.07 | Sug | is i get every packages on kfreebsd ? |
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| 10:16.50 | babilen | w2310b: Yes, sure. You most likely did not setup a mirror during the installation, which might be due to the fact that you did not configure your network while you were installing. |
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| 10:17.19 | w2310b | babilen: I see what you mean, but during the setup I believe I did setup a mirror because it downloaded a whole heap of packages as well |
| 10:17.28 | babilen | Sug: No. You can not install wine on kfreebsd for example. |
| 10:17.57 | w2310b | and I'm using the internet right now, even though network manager says there is no device apparently |
| 10:18.11 | Sug | so kfreebsd is not for me |
| 10:18.20 | babilen | w2310b: Did you install from CD1? I haven't read the d-i code and am not quite sure what determines the initial sources.list. The reason I pointed out is the one I came across most frequently. |
| 10:18.40 | w2310b | babilen: I did indeed. Cheers for your help though, it is appreciated believe me |
| 10:19.09 | babilen | w2310b: You are most welcome. Do not hesitate to ask if you have further questions ;) |
| 10:19.31 | w2310b | babilen: thanks, I'll try to figure out what I can however! |
| 10:20.15 | babilen | w2310b: Sure, that is much appreciated. But sometimes it is just faster to pick someone else's brain :) |
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| 10:20.23 | sm1 | w2310b: open your /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf , and make sure managed is set to =true . |
| 10:20.26 | w2310b | that is indeed true |
| 10:20.34 | w2310b | sm1: alright I'll have a look, thanks |
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| 10:20.39 | w2310b | is that with gedit or something? |
| 10:20.49 | sm1 | yep , sudo gedit |
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| 10:21.14 | babilen | sm1: sudo is not necessarily installed and configured |
| 10:21.23 | w2310b | sm1: it said I'm not in the sudoer's file |
| 10:21.38 | w2310b | and apparently it's going to report me to myself |
| 10:21.55 | sm1 | O' right , forgot that. |
| 10:22.10 | w2310b | but yes, just without sudo I can see that it has managed=false |
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| 10:22.17 | w2310b | don't think I'll be able to save it though |
| 10:22.20 | sm1 | then add yourself to the sudoers .. its in /etc/sudoers . iirc |
| 10:23.09 | sm1 | Yeah , you need to be root to write to the file. |
| 10:23.12 | babilen | w2310b: don't worry :) -- Just add your user to the "sudo" group. Run "su -" to become root (enter your root password) and "adduser YOUR_USERNAME sudo" -- logout and back again and sudo should work. You can, naturally, also run "su -" to become root and start gedit from there. It is preferred to use "gksu gedit" for that though as it handles the graphical things. |
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| 10:24.23 | w2310b | babilen: thanks, looks like it added it so I'll give it a go |
| 10:24.27 | babilen | w2310b: Another approach would be to include a line like "YOUR_USERNAME ALL=(ALL) ALL" in /etc/sudoers -- That file *has* to be edited with the "visudo" command as that will ensure that there are no syntax errors. Do *not* edit it directly. |
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| 10:25.07 | sm1 | we learn from you babilen ;) |
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| 10:25.41 | w2310b | babilen: interesting, it says it added me to the sudo group but it still tells me that I'm not in the sudoers file. do I have to restart terminal? |
| 10:25.53 | babilen | w2310b: Just one more thing. Could you run "cat /etc/sudoers" and show me the result on http://paste.debian.net ? I just want to make sure that everyhting is fine. You'll have to run it as root. |
| 10:26.12 | w2310b | I can do that, won't be long :) |
| 10:26.12 | babilen | w2310b: Yes, you have to logout and back in again to get the new groups. |
| 10:26.18 | fraff | hi all, wrote a little C code that count file in a dir recursively, but it does not work on cifs mount point, the question is, it must surely exists in the debian pool but what's its name ? |
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| 10:27.03 | babilen | w2310b: I would personally recommend to just add the "YOUR_USERNAME ALL=(ALL) ALL" line to /etc/sudoers or configure the "sudo" group behaviour in such a way that it *does* ask you for a password. |
| 10:27.23 | Bushmills | fraff: find ( .. | wc -l ) |
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| 10:27.51 | w2310b | babilen: ok I'll see what happens. At the moment it's not accepting my root password for su - lol |
| 10:27.55 | w2310b | but I'll get there |
| 10:28.06 | w2310b | nevermind |
| 10:28.07 | w2310b | there we go |
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| 10:29.19 | w2310b | sm1: well I've gotten into gedit now that I sorted out the sudo thing |
| 10:29.22 | w2310b | so I'll see what happens |
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| 10:29.34 | fraff | Bushmills: I wrote this piece of code to avoid that find | wc |
| 10:30.03 | Bushmills | fraff: others would use find and wc -l to avoid writing a piece of code |
| 10:30.33 | w2310b | babilen: do you still want the pastebin? it looks like that it has the root ALL=(ALL) ALL already done here |
| 10:30.47 | Bushmills | (or looking for a program which does the same because their own code doesn't entirely work) |
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| 10:31.50 | w2310b | sm1: ok, should I restart to see if the network manager thing worked? |
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| 10:32.38 | fraff | Bushmills: my piece of code can list dirs with number of files in it plus displaying a total, a but as /usr/bin/du does with file size |
| 10:33.00 | babilen | w2310b: That does not what you want -- you want a line like "YOURUSERNAME ALL=(ALL)" to allow *your user* to use sudo. I don't necessarily need to see it, if you can figure it out yourself though :) |
| 10:33.01 | w2310b | Gee you guys know your stuff, talking about making code etc lol |
| 10:33.06 | Bushmills | fraff, that's nice but not what you were intially asking for |
| 10:33.14 | w2310b | sm1: nice job, you fixed it |
| 10:33.22 | w2310b | babilen: I have no problem with sending it to you :) |
| 10:33.22 | sm1 | w2310b: i guess login out should do it. |
| 10:33.25 | babilen | \o/ |
| 10:33.51 | w2310b | sm1: yeah it's all perfect now, thank you for that piece of help |
| 10:34.03 | sm1 | w2310b: under the root line add a line like " sary ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 10:34.05 | w2310b | babilen: and thank you for your help equally, this is great |
| 10:34.13 | Bushmills | i suppose if your code can cook an irish stew, that's something find also won't do |
| 10:34.27 | babilen | w2310b: np |
| 10:34.28 | sm1 | Great , well done w2310b ;) |
| 10:34.43 | w2310b | well I didn't particularly do much lol |
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| 10:35.14 | babilen | w2310b: Oh, give yourself some credit. You figured out how to ask the right questions in the right place and learned something from it. |
| 10:35.36 | sm1 | of course you did. |
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| 10:36.05 | w2310b | well thanks guys :) also babilen here is the link for the pastebin - http://paste.debian.net/120141/ |
| 10:36.42 | fraff | Bushmills: find cannot count file if I'm right, and I asked for a tool (not a command line) that do count files |
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| 10:37.48 | w2310b | I'll try what you and sm1 suggested and edit it with visudo and put my name in there |
| 10:37.50 | w2310b | underneath root |
| 10:39.01 | babilen | w2310b: Ah, don't worry. Everything is fine if you are a member of the sudo group. Just wanted to check my assumptions. Thanks for pasting it. (My sudoers file is quite old and I wasn't sure how it is configured on new installations) |
| 10:39.43 | w2310b | babilen: oh alright fair enough. Just a quick question (since I ended up in the visudo thing, lol) - how do I exit? I don't know the shortcut for ^X |
| 10:39.57 | babilen | w2310b: That is CTRL-X |
| 10:40.02 | Bushmills | fraff: doesn't find and wc qualify as "tools"? or do you mean, by "not a command line", that you're looking for a GUI program? |
| 10:40.25 | w2310b | babilen: thanks, I tried shift, alt and the super key so I may have blindly stumbled onto it eventually hahaha |
| 10:40.32 | babilen | heh |
| 10:41.30 | w2310b | Excellent. Just a quick question that might be unrelated for support but - is all of this disabled by default so that people can customise things differently? |
| 10:42.10 | w2310b | like sudo, ifupdown=false etc |
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| 10:42.17 | babilen | w2310b: No, it is just that Debian is configured in such a way that you are supposed to use the root user if you want to do "rooty" things. |
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| 10:42.45 | w2310b | babilen: ah fair enough, I guess that is fair! Now that I know how to do it I guess it's not such a problem anymore, thanks to both of you |
| 10:43.53 | w2310b | do people stick with Debian's choice in openoffice or have most people migrated to libreoffice? |
| 10:44.11 | petemc | different people do different things |
| 10:44.19 | w2310b | a fair point |
| 10:44.31 | babilen | w2310b: libreoffice will be the default in the next version of Debian. |
| 10:44.41 | w2310b | and I should have made my question less stupid, sorry about that |
| 10:44.56 | w2310b | babilen: ah I see - I know there's no 'real' benefit to moving to it just yet but I thought I'd ask |
| 10:46.22 | babilen | w2310b: You can get it from backports -- Backports are newer versions of packages that are compiled for Debian stable. -- /msg dpkg bdo -- http://backports.debian.org/ -- /msg dpkg bdo sources |
| 10:46.33 | babilen | !tell w2310b -about introduction |
| 10:46.37 | babilen | !tell w2310b -about overview |
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| 10:47.20 | babilen | w2310b: That should give you an overview of different alternative package sources and of the most important documentation. (such as the Debian Reference which I strongly recommend) |
| 10:47.29 | w2310b | Hey that's pretty cool, I didn't realise there were a few different 'variations' of Debian for different stages of development |
| 10:47.37 | w2310b | of course it seems so obvious now |
| 10:47.43 | w2310b | Thanks for that |
| 10:47.52 | babilen | Once again: You are welcome |
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| 10:49.29 | w2310b | Well I shouldn't have to do too much of this backporting at this stage but I think it might come in handy if there's some new software I might want |
| 10:49.52 | w2310b | I've completely replaced Windows on my laptop with Debian in an attempt to learn so I wouldn't be surprised |
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| 10:51.38 | babilen | Just let us know if you have a particular need. One word of warning: Do *not* *ever* mix stable with the other versions. That will lead to enormous paing if not done correctly and backports are the way to go. *Even if* the package you are after is not available there. (but more about that later when you have that problem) |
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| 10:53.51 | w2310b | babilen: I'll keep that in mind. Mixing = bad |
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| 10:56.12 | w2310b | I'm loving how I can just install stuff from the software centre |
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| 10:59.13 | ma3x | can anyone help me with ntp? daemon runs but never updates the time |
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| 11:01.13 | w2310b | Well thank you everyone for your help - now that I can install software and can do things with sudo I should be okay for a little while! Take care all |
| 11:01.23 | aypea[2] | ma3x: what does ntpq -p say? |
| 11:02.15 | ma3x | aypea[2], it lists like 5 entries. here's one interactive21.d .INIT. 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 |
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| 11:02.45 | aypea[2] | ma3x: use a paste site to provide a full list |
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| 11:05.05 | onebitxajax | hi to all |
| 11:05.07 | onebitxajax | i need help |
| 11:05.23 | onebitxajax | wheen installing he can't configure my net card |
| 11:05.23 | ma3x | aypea[2], http://paste.debian.net/120143/ |
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| 11:05.29 | onebitxajax | after booting i don't have internet |
| 11:05.34 | onebitxajax | how can i resolve? |
| 11:05.54 | onebitxajax | i follow this step http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=62663 |
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| 11:06.06 | onebitxajax | and this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=62645 |
| 11:06.10 | onebitxajax | without result |
| 11:06.28 | onebitxajax | my card is perfectly running under ubuntu |
| 11:06.38 | aypea[2] | ma3x: interesting. you're not talking to any of them. can you ping any of those hosts? also, is ntp bound to port 123 on your box on all interfaces? if you have ntpdate installed, nuke it. |
| 11:06.39 | jason404 | how do i know if bash is in emacs or vu editing mode, and which is the default on debian? |
| 11:06.44 | jason404 | vi |
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| 11:07.19 | onebitxajax | my card it's via rhine II |
| 11:07.25 | _0x47 | Hello! Is it possible to tell aptitude to get just one package from the testing repo instead of the stable? |
| 11:07.30 | aypea[2] | jason404: if you can use it, it's in emacs mode, which is the default :) |
| 11:07.43 | jason404 | ayambit: thanks |
| 11:07.50 | guard_ | can't install debian on my pc, it says kernel panic, I suspect my hard drives is the cause, im using Western digital wd400 caviar 40 gb, can't find on the HOWTO, whether its compatible on linux, can someone help me, what should i do?? |
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| 11:09.05 | ma3x | aypea[2], i deinstalled it but still same thing |
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| 11:10.07 | aypea[2] | ma3x: restart ntpd? and can you ping the hosts? |
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| 11:10.46 | stew | guard_: its etainly compatible with linux |
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| 11:12.03 | ma3x | aypea[2], i restarted ntpd and yes i can ping the hosts. but the time doesnt update |
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| 11:12.34 | guard_ | how come its not working.. |
| 11:12.38 | aypea[2] | ma3x: how very weird. netstat -nl lists it as listening? |
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| 11:13.29 | _0x47 | never mind, I just found apt-pinning :) |
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| 11:14.30 | Black_Prince | onebitxajax, pastebin lspci -nn |
| 11:14.40 | ma3x | aypea[2], should it be listening on port 123? it's not and i can't find it in netstat |
| 11:14.48 | ploc | when using cron, where do I have to set the MAILTO variable to get the cron mail sent to the right person ? |
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| 11:14.58 | guard_ | my graphic card and dvdwriter are all linux supported, so i suspect it is my hard drive |
| 11:15.28 | aypea[2] | ma3x: yes it should. i think we found the problem. now to figure out why it's happening |
| 11:15.40 | aypea[2] | ma3x: anything from ntp in the logs? |
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| 11:15.54 | aypea[2] | ma3x: and does ps aux show it as running? |
| 11:16.26 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys .... where i can find the channel for debian unstable ? |
| 11:17.02 | ma3x | aypea[2], yes ps aux shows it running ntp 9756 0.0 0.0 4756 1492 ? Ss 13:20 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -u 101:105 and there arent any logs in /var/log/ntpstats/ |
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| 11:17.34 | aypea[2] | what about daemon.log or syslog or messages? |
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| 11:18.17 | Black_Prince | cobra-the-joker #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:19.02 | cobra-the-joker | Black_Prince: |
| 11:19.11 | cobra-the-joker | Black_Prince: ok thanx * |
| 11:19.18 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
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| 11:19.53 | nocturnal | if I have a gang of deb files, dependent on each other, in the same dir. is there a way to just unpack and install them all? |
| 11:20.14 | onebitxajax | can someone help me? |
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| 11:20.30 | nsadmin | nocturnal, crips or bloods? |
| 11:20.39 | sm1 | onebitxajax: ask away |
| 11:20.55 | onebitxajax | I had installed debian |
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| 11:21.02 | Dakon | any debian admins around? http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki needs some love, it only gives an error message |
| 11:21.06 | onebitxajax | in the installation proce he don't configure my net |
| 11:21.11 | onebitxajax | now i don't have network |
| 11:21.17 | nocturnal | nsadmin: gangsta disciplies |
| 11:21.19 | nocturnal | disciples |
| 11:21.20 | nocturnal | =D |
| 11:21.29 | nsadmin | nocturnal, cd thatdir; dpkg -i *.deb |
| 11:21.33 | nocturnal | I just did --install *.deb |
| 11:21.40 | nsadmin | if you want -all- the debs in that dir |
| 11:21.44 | onebitxajax | i folow this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=62663 and this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=62645 |
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| 11:21.58 | onebitxajax | without result |
| 11:22.04 | onebitxajax | sm1 can you help me? |
| 11:22.14 | nocturnal | but they fail saying they miss dependencies but the dependencies are in that dir. so it feels like they're not installing the right order. |
| 11:22.17 | nsadmin | what result do you expect |
| 11:22.39 | nsadmin | as .debs? |
| 11:22.44 | Black_Prince | onebitxajax, I told you pastebin lspci -nn so we may try to help you |
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| 11:27.22 | sm1 | onebitxajax: thats fine , any of the kind people here will assiste .. just provide whatever information they ask for ;) |
| 11:27.57 | nocturnal | nsadmin: well if I just do dpkg --install *.deb the shell will determine the order the asterisk is expanded into filenames. so it gets to file1.deb and runs --install, but it's missing foo2.deb, so it fails obviously. then I tried --unpack, because I know nothing about apt so I'm hoping that unpack will store it in some cache where dpkg can then cross reference the package information to find the dependencies it needs. but I'm reading the manual to figu |
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| 11:33.34 | nsadmin | nocturnal, are they predepends? |
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| 11:34.26 | nocturnal | I'm not sure what that means. the packages all depend on each other, except of course for one main package that depends on some of the others. |
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| 11:34.45 | nocturnal | I just noticed something, it HAS installed some of the packages. files have appeared, even startup scripts |
| 11:34.55 | nocturnal | but the startup scripts have the suffix dpkg-new |
| 11:34.58 | nocturnal | .dpkg-new |
| 11:35.02 | nocturnal | though they are executablr |
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| 11:57.35 | ericP | i'm using compiz with the standard (as in i didn't tweak anything) network controller interface (puts the the wifi icon in the main menu bar) |
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| 11:59.13 | ericP | after a couple days, the menu that comes up when clicking the wifi icon is unresponsive (no meny selections do anything except for [More Netorks] and [VPN Connections], which paint a tiny empty box) |
| 12:00.14 | ericP | what need i do to restart this tool in hopes of restoring network control without having to log out? |
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| 12:06.12 | JyZyXEL | whats the purpose of "group-", "shadow-" and "passwd-" |
| 12:06.17 | JyZyXEL | why the - at the end? |
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| 12:07.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | backups |
| 12:08.50 | claw | ericP, try apt-get install --reinstall network-manager-gnome |
| 12:09.24 | claw | have you done any changes on /etc/networking/interfaces these days ? |
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| 12:14.21 | darsie | hi! How do I build a binary *.deb package form a source package? |
| 12:15.35 | darsie | 'debian/rules binary' only seems to compile the program. |
| 12:16.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 12:16.46 | jelly | darsie: it should have built them; pastebin the full output of "make -f debian/build binary" |
| 12:17.05 | jelly | sorry. |
| 12:17.14 | jelly | darsie: it should have built them; pastebin the full output of "make -f debian/rules binary" |
| 12:17.16 | mramish | when i install libreoffice from backports, will be openoffice removed automatically in squeeze? |
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| 12:19.16 | darsie | Ahh, it's in the parent dir. |
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| 12:20.12 | onebitxajax | here i am |
| 12:20.19 | mramish | or do i have to remove openoffice manually |
| 12:20.20 | onebitxajax | i resolved my problem with connection |
| 12:20.27 | onebitxajax | now i have another problem |
| 12:20.32 | onebitxajax | witch repository to use_ |
| 12:20.34 | onebitxajax | ? |
| 12:20.38 | onebitxajax | i put |
| 12:20.54 | onebitxajax | deb http://ftp.debian.org testing main contrib non/free |
| 12:20.57 | onebitxajax | it-s ok? |
| 12:21.07 | onebitxajax | there is in the repository |
| 12:21.13 | onebitxajax | the wgeezy/*testing |
| 12:21.22 | onebitxajax | i must punt either wheezy? |
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| 12:22.05 | acemi | non-free |
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| 12:28.59 | ma3x | aypea[2], still there? |
| 12:29.16 | petemc | john_rambo: people generally dont like url shortners |
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| 12:29.32 | ma3x | iget errors like ntpd[9756]: restrict: error in address '::' on line 38. Ignoring... |
| 12:29.37 | ma3x | ntp can't update |
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| 12:33.13 | ma3x | can anyone help me with ntp? |
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| 12:38.15 | ericP | claw, $(apt-get install --reinstall network-manager-gnome) reinstalled gracefully |
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| 12:39.03 | ericP | claw, i haven't touched anything in /etc/network since the widget worked (a few days ago). /etc/network/interfaces is dated 2010-12-10 |
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| 12:40.25 | abrotman | ma3x: just ask .. you know better |
| 12:40.28 | ericP | claw, i have the impression that the menu that pops up is supposed to call something which e.g. populates the [More Networks] submenu (or the more obvious functions like selecting a network) and it's just failing. any process i should strace? |
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| 12:42.30 | ericP | claw, (btw, still unresponsive after network-manager-gnome re-install ) |
| 12:44.30 | ma3x | abrotman, the time never updates. allthough the ntpd runs and pretty much everything is standard installation/configuration. i get is errors like these in daemon.log ntpd[10558]: Listen normally on 2 eth0 192.168.1.100 UDP 123 ntpd[10558]: restrict: error in address '::' on line 38. Ignoring... ntpd[10558]: restrict: error in address '::1' on line 42. Ignoring... |
| 12:45.09 | abrotman | ipv6 address in your ntp.conf ? |
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| 12:47.50 | Strogg | joins #when_upgrades_go_bad hehe |
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| 12:48.15 | Strogg | grub and X are fighting to see which one can piss me off the most.. :/ |
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| 12:48.55 | jelly | did s/grub-pc/extlinux/ on desktop and is happy |
| 12:49.10 | ma3x | abrotman, i haven't modified or installed anything, and i don't see any ipv6 ips in the /etc/ntp.conf |
| 12:49.15 | ma3x | nor is ipv6 module loaded |
| 12:49.15 | Strogg | googles extlinux |
| 12:49.25 | jelly | ,info extlinux |
| 12:49.27 | judd | Package extlinux (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: collection of boot loaders (ext2/3/4 and btrfs bootloader). Version: 2:4.02+dfsg-7; Size: 82.7k; Installed: 224k; Homepage: http://syslinux.zytor.com/ |
| 12:49.31 | Strogg | I've always hated grub immensely. lilo was so simple by comparison |
| 12:49.53 | abrotman | ma3x: so the string :: doesn't appear at all ? |
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| 12:50.13 | jelly | grub legacy had the right balance of features without extra bloat |
| 12:50.34 | ma3x | abrotman, you're right there there's one line restrict ::1 and another one restrict 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:50.45 | ma3x | grub legacy rocks |
| 12:50.47 | ma3x | grub2 sucks |
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| 12:52.04 | Strogg | So.. basically, I did an upgrade and my bigmem kernel dies on startup.. I think because grub is configured wrong and it can't find the root filesystem.. |
| 12:52.24 | Strogg | and all my other kernels won't start up X because it can't find the nvidia driver. Even though they used to work. |
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| 12:53.46 | Strogg | where are grub-pc config files located at? my /boot/grub/menu.lst is empty now |
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| 12:54.38 | Strogg | Aha. grub.cfg |
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| 12:55.23 | jelly | Strogg: edit /etc/default/grub and use update-grub instead |
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| 12:55.50 | Strogg | ooh. nice. Thanks |
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| 12:56.25 | Strogg | Hrm. my grub is all commented out, except for a couple useless settings at the top. |
| 12:56.46 | Strogg | how do I see what the uuid's for my partitions are? |
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| 12:57.01 | jelly | blkid |
| 12:57.25 | jelly | /etc/fstab if you got massacred with the lenny->squeeze upgrade |
| 12:57.30 | jelly | s/you/it/ |
| 12:57.56 | Strogg | hrmmm ok.. yeah.. I got massacred. |
| 12:58.12 | Strogg | all to get a cheapoh logic analyzer working.. agravating. hehe |
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| 13:00.35 | ericP | claw, furthur btw, this network prob manifested when i upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 |
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| 13:00.53 | ericP | s/network/network control interface/ |
| 13:01.01 | jelly | ericP: um, Debian is at 6.0 only |
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| 13:01.08 | jelly | are you calling from there future?!? |
| 13:01.22 | boudiccas | no hes using ubuntu |
| 13:02.48 | jelly | nowai! But why would an Ubuntu user ask about stuff in here |
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| 13:03.07 | jelly | when we only know about Debian and things are different |
| 13:03.16 | i0x71 | anyone know how stable zfs is on debian 6 ? |
| 13:03.24 | jelly | !kfreebsd |
| 13:03.25 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:03.37 | i0x71 | and what zfs implementations are out there |
| 13:03.43 | i0x71 | besides zfs-fuse |
| 13:03.47 | jelly | i0x71: try asking in that channel (mind, it's on a different irc network) |
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| 13:04.04 | jelly | zfs on Linux is probably a lost cause |
| 13:05.16 | i0x71 | is there any kind of snapshot implementation on linux |
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| 13:06.00 | jelly | LVM |
| 13:06.10 | Delf | I'm unable to install isc-dhcp-server |
| 13:06.11 | i0x71 | you can do snapshots with LVM ? |
| 13:06.20 | jelly | i0x71: yes. |
| 13:06.28 | Delf | is running Debian Squeeze |
| 13:06.41 | petemc | Delf: what happens why you try? |
| 13:06.41 | jelly | dpkg, tell Delf about BAT |
| 13:07.17 | ericP | jelly, oops, right, that was an ubuntu box |
| 13:07.34 | i0x71 | jelly: thanks |
| 13:08.25 | jelly | i0x71: lvm snapshots are not very efficient, but they're enough to make eg. image backups work |
| 13:08.26 | queso | I have a basic install of 6.0 (only the base system packages) and every two hours I get mail with the subject "info: mpt raid status change on servername". What should I do to fix this? Remove the mtp-status package? It doesn't even have a RAID in it. |
| 13:08.43 | Delf | http://paste.debian.net/120158/ |
| 13:08.49 | i0x71 | jelly: in that case i might as well use mdadm for software raid |
| 13:09.14 | Delf | Same problem when trying to install client and server. |
| 13:10.09 | jelly | i0x71: those technologies are largerly orthogonal (they don't do the same things) |
| 13:10.33 | jelly | i0x71: md raid with lvm on top is not unusual |
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| 13:11.17 | ma3x | damn ntp still wont update |
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| 13:11.59 | Delf | petemc: What to do? |
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| 13:15.17 | petemc | Delf: i would look at line 3719 in that file |
| 13:15.34 | Delf | heads for the file |
| 13:15.38 | petemc | # |
| 13:15.42 | petemc | !available |
| 13:15.42 | dpkg | If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update". |
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| 13:18.15 | Delf | What the! Gedit refuse to open the file. It says that it doesn't know the encoding char |
| 13:18.25 | abrotman | vi? |
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| 13:18.49 | boudiccas | emacs |
| 13:19.04 | jelly | Delf: it's not a great idea to use GUI editors to mess with system files |
| 13:19.06 | Delf | that worked, how do I find that particular line? I'm not good at counting. |
| 13:19.30 | boudiccas | turn on lione numbers |
| 13:19.37 | boudiccas | *line |
| 13:19.43 | Delf | how is that done? Never used vi before |
| 13:19.52 | jelly | :3719 |
| 13:19.53 | boudiccas | dunno, i use emacs |
| 13:20.04 | Delf | what is emacs? |
| 13:20.19 | dimir | LULz |
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| 13:20.30 | dimir | calls RMS to slp Delf |
| 13:20.33 | dimir | slap |
| 13:20.36 | boudiccas | what is emacs? go wash your mouth out with soap and water |
| 13:20.57 | Delf | what the hell.. please, come on |
| 13:21.13 | Delf | I'm a newbie and a half. |
| 13:21.32 | Delf | things don't look right.. |
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| 13:22.07 | gnarface | !emacs |
| 13:22.07 | dpkg | Emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs http://emacswiki.org/ #emacs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:22.33 | Delf | http://paste.debian.net/120160/ |
| 13:22.43 | Delf | whats with the casing? |
| 13:23.01 | Delf | Instead of source it says SourBe? |
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| 13:24.12 | maligor | looks like trolling |
| 13:24.43 | Delf | trolling? |
| 13:24.44 | jelly | Delf: pastebin more context. |
| 13:25.05 | Delf | jelly somewhere above and below text seem ok. |
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| 13:25.15 | johndoe | which LaTeX compiler to use? |
| 13:25.22 | boudiccas | kile |
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| 13:26.49 | Delf | jelly I can't select the whole messed up text, it doesn't fit my screen and I cannot use the scroll wheel while selecting. |
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| 13:27.31 | Delf | headbangs the desk |
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| 13:29.10 | johndoe | boudiccas: thank you sir |
| 13:29.10 | jelly | Delf: well. Something has messed that file up. The package you pasted _seems_ to be lib32v4l-0 |
| 13:29.31 | jelly | ,info lib32v4l-0 --arch amd64 |
| 13:29.32 | judd | Package lib32v4l-0 (libs, optional) in squeeze/amd64: Collection of video4linux support libraries (32 bits). Version: 0.8.0-1; Size: 73.9k; Installed: 252k; Homepage: http://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-utils/ |
| 13:29.41 | boudiccas | johndoe; cheeky sod! i'm female |
| 13:30.15 | Delf | jelly How do I fix the file? |
| 13:30.34 | D3814N | hid3, I need a working sources.list for 'squeeze' please. My list doesn't work since 2 days. |
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| 13:31.10 | jelly | Delf: well. See if the backup looks better. |
| 13:32.05 | Delf | jelly where do I find backup? |
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| 13:32.33 | jelly | Delf: there's one in the very same directory |
| 13:32.42 | Delf | Ok. |
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| 13:33.31 | johndoe | boudiccas: excuse me. thank you ma'am |
| 13:33.48 | Delf | jelly Thanks, it worked! |
| 13:34.37 | Delf | I can't get isc-dhcp-server to work :( |
| 13:34.40 | eagles0513875 | hey gusy whats the repo url for squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 13:34.40 | eagles0513875 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:35.03 | Delf | http://paste.debian.net/120161/ |
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| 13:35.43 | jelly | eagles0513875: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
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| 13:36.08 | eagles0513875 | jelly: dpkg> i don't know, eagles0513875 |
| 13:36.16 | jelly | Delf: have you configured it? |
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| 13:36.34 | Delf | jelly How is that done? The Gadmin dhcp says that it's not even installed |
| 13:36.35 | jelly | dpkg, tell eagles0513875 about squeeze sources.list |
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| 13:37.23 | jelly | Delf: I don't know the details, but the config file should be in /etc/dhcp/ |
| 13:37.47 | jelly | Delf: use dpkg -L packagename to list the package contents and see what's under /etc |
| 13:37.51 | eagles0513875 | jelly reason im asking i created a squeeze vps on xen and for some reason the sources list is a bit screwed up for some reason |
| 13:38.05 | eagles0513875 | doesnt have the url for squeeze main contrib repo |
| 13:38.26 | Delf | jelly I found dhcpd.conf |
| 13:38.45 | Delf | It is a sample conf, I don't even know how to "write" things. |
| 13:39.06 | jelly | Delf: sounds like you'll have to learn! |
| 13:39.19 | eagles0513875 | documentation for the win |
| 13:39.21 | Delf | jelly I'lld gladly learn. But from what and how? |
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| 13:39.55 | eagles0513875 | jelly: the urls im missing are for deb squeeze main contrib non-free deb-src squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 13:40.03 | eagles0513875 | and what you had the bot give me doesnt have those listed |
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| 13:40.51 | jelly | eagles0513875: the bot gives you a deb line for ... squeeze main. If you want contrib and non-free, append them to that line. |
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| 13:41.03 | jelly | eagles0513875: /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 13:42.41 | jelly | Delf: hm. Start by reading docs under /usr/share/doc/packagename/, README.Debian first if there is one |
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| 13:43.36 | jelly | Delf: in addition, there is probably a manual page for dhcpd.conf |
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| 13:44.59 | Delf | jelly How come the Gadmin DHCPD doesn't work? |
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| 13:47.10 | Computer | is there a kernel option or something to disable the forced fsck? my clock must be wrong because its forcing it on every boot, and i need to do something quickly |
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| 13:49.58 | jelly | Computer: is fixing the CMOS clock a viable option? |
| 13:50.40 | jelly | I don't know of a boot parameter to _not_ do a fsck |
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| 13:54.17 | Delf | Hat happened to everybody. 1k people here and it's so silent. |
| 13:54.22 | Delf | what* |
| 13:54.54 | Delf | I used to get beaten up here when I asked for help with sudo. |
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| 13:56.08 | Kateon | then again sudo beats you up as well when abusing it |
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| 13:56.42 | Delf | I was merely trying to get rid of the need of having to use it by loging onto root. |
| 13:57.55 | Delf | Anyone please? help me to get gadmin dhcpd to work? |
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| 13:58.15 | Kateon | do not log in as root when not needed, was probably what ppl were suggesting |
| 13:58.43 | Delf | Indeed it was. |
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| 13:59.50 | Ivan_The_Terribl | Hi all. Does anyone remember what package includes a2ensite command? |
| 14:00.06 | stew | Ivan_The_Terribl: apache2.2-common |
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| 14:00.31 | stew | Ivan_The_Terribl: "/msg dpkg apt-file" to learn how to answer this question for yourself |
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| 14:01.12 | Ivan_The_Terribl | Thank you! |
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| 14:01.44 | Delf | whaat? |
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| 14:02.34 | Delf | me is about to cry :( |
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| 14:04.32 | linux-fox | why? |
| 14:04.46 | linux-fox | :) |
| 14:05.27 | amphi | !comfort Delf |
| 14:05.28 | dpkg | There, there, Delf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:05.37 | Delf | :) |
| 14:05.49 | Delf | Here? where? |
| 14:06.36 | Delf | Because I can't get GADMIN-DHCPD to work :( |
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| 14:08.18 | Computer | jelly: i dont know if the CMOS clock is wrong or if the system is set to the wrong date. ive set them both. i don't have time to fix that right now though |
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| 14:10.00 | Computer | im trying to resize a partition using parted... i did tune2fs -O^has_journal /dev/sda1, and then did resize 1 in parted... and i get "File system has an incompatible feature enabled" |
| 14:10.04 | Computer | which feature would this be? |
| 14:10.22 | Computer | sorry.. partition was ext3 debian lenny and now its ext2 |
| 14:10.27 | Computer | but i still can't resize it |
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| 14:26.47 | saivnoba | hi all, i've problem with networkmanager in kde. i don't get the applet in the system tray |
| 14:27.20 | saivnoba | i'm in group netdev, i installed network-manager-kde, try to run knetworkmanager. but it wont start. |
| 14:27.24 | Computer | can i safely Much like Giulio, and probably others, I had to resize an ext3 VM partition (vm running on ESX), which had been created in the standard way: |
| 14:27.27 | Computer | /dev/sda1 was the / ext3 partition, |
| 14:27.30 | Computer | /dev/sda2 extended |
| 14:27.31 | Computer | ugh... sorry |
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| 14:30.23 | ShishKabab | I need to cross compile SSH for a set top box with a MIPS processor. What is the easiest and/or best way to do that? |
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| 14:32.23 | wols | ShishKabab: first thing to not use ssh. there is dropbear for a reason |
| 14:32.41 | bzrk | ShishKabab: http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Toolchains |
| 14:32.57 | bzrk | ShishKabab: your question isnt really answerable here |
| 14:33.12 | saivnoba | hi, does anybody know what package provides knetworkmanager? i have network-manager-kde installed but there's no knetworkmanager |
| 14:33.24 | ShishKabab | wols: Yes, I've heard about that. But forgot about it... Thanks! |
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| 14:34.52 | dkr | weird. when I go to "manage folder subscriptions" in icedove it has my inbox unchecked despite it currently working |
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| 14:36.12 | ShishKabab | bzrk: I saw that page and after seeing all those options, I thought I'd ask someone more experienced which path to choose. |
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| 14:37.48 | bzrk | ShishKabab: yeah didnt want to imply you hadnt looked, its just that crosscompiling needs a lot of infos that are quite hard to give in a few lines on irc |
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| 14:39.49 | saivnoba | ok solved. checked under 'add widgets' of botton panel, networkmanager is there. strange there is no run command for it like 'nm-applet'. thanks anyway. |
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| 14:41.13 | Delf | Please, anyone? How to get GADMIN-DHCPD to work.. |
| 14:41.18 | ShishKabab | bzrk: Yes, I've heard it can be quite a chore to set things up, so I just wanted to make sure that I didn't do more work than necessary. And the Dropbear tip is useful there. Maybe I can find a static binary. |
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| 14:41.38 | wols | Delf: google "how to get help on irc". please read it |
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| 14:43.15 | wols | Delf: fyi, dnsmasq is probably more suitable for a small dhcpd |
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| 14:45.19 | Delf | wols: The first result? |
| 14:45.45 | Delf | The second seems more likely. |
| 14:46.34 | wols | Delf: any. cause the way you behaved the last two hours doesn't make a successful end to your tribulations probable |
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| 14:50.21 | Delf | wols: I've googled and tried that seemed to work for some. But my gadmin still complains about isc dhcp server not being installed or in path. |
| 14:51.30 | wols | well, since apt errored for it, gadmin is obviously right |
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| 14:52.51 | Delf | wols: I've installed but it's not starting. Also, what "path" is it talking about? I've checked the path's in GADMIN settings, their all correct. |
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| 14:54.07 | craigevil | if its complaining about isc-dhcp-server not being installed why not just install it? |
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| 14:55.36 | dutchfish | hi, got '(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/r600_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)' on debian/testing dir is no such dir, but /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so does excist | reinstalling libgl1-mesa-dri does not resolve the problem | firmware-nonfree is installed | this worked before (jun 10th 2011) | any hints? |
| 14:55.42 | wols | craigevil: cause he tried and it failed. now he conveniently ignores that and whines about soemthing else |
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| 14:59.07 | craigevil | couldnt he use equivs to fool gadmin |
| 14:59.52 | wols | craigevil:no |
| 14:59.52 | jhutchins_lt | How about just following the dhcp howto at http://tldp.org and getting the stupid GUI out of the way? |
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| 15:00.06 | wols | jhutchins_lt: TL;DR is my guess |
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| 15:01.07 | craigevil | dutchfish, take a look at http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1401 |
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| 15:04.28 | dutchfish | craigevil, maybe its fixed for nvidia but #630710 fix hosed mine |
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| 15:04.55 | dutchfish | craigevil, any idees about radeon? |
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| 15:05.36 | dutchfish | craigevil, or should i report to firmware-nonfree? |
| 15:05.53 | craigevil | nope im stuck using the radeon driver no fglrx on this old thinkpad |
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| 15:06.07 | dutchfish | craigevil, nope, i am using all open source only |
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| 15:06.51 | dutchfish | craigevil, and that worked since febr 2010 up until now for r600 |
| 15:06.51 | via | is the netboot image supposed to, without anything else, bring up a debian installer? |
| 15:07.07 | via | i'm trying to boot my sun blade 100 off the network, and the kernel loads, but says it could not find init |
| 15:07.13 | via | sun blade 1500* |
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| 15:07.50 | wols | via: you mean netinst? or business card? |
| 15:07.53 | craigevil | dutchfish, fully updated sid using X.Org 1.10.2 driver: radeon but my system is 32bit, no issues here |
| 15:08.15 | dutchfish | craigevil, x86_64/testing over here |
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| 15:08.44 | via | wols: netboot |
| 15:08.51 | via | ie with dhcp,tftp,etc |
| 15:09.19 | dutchfish | craigevil, my Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/eJ9qCYLm |
| 15:09.26 | via | although i just tried booting off cd and the exact same thing happened |
| 15:10.25 | dutchfish | craigevil, see line 566 and further |
| 15:11.11 | craigevil | dutchfish, i was having issues with firefox killing kdm, i disabled Kernel modesetting and that fixed the problems for me |
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| 15:13.53 | craigevil | dutchfish, do you have a xorg.conf? |
| 15:14.05 | dutchfish | craigevil, that was indeed for the former mesa in testing, i blame galium code for that. But that was fixed i gues |
| 15:14.24 | dutchfish | craigevil, no xorg.conf (as it should be) |
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| 15:15.20 | dutchfish | craigevil, i think the pathś for the firmware are simply wrong |
| 15:16.06 | dutchfish | s/pathś/path's |
| 15:16.09 | wols | fireba11: firmware is in .so files now? outside lib/firmware? |
| 15:16.28 | dutchfish | wols, looks like it ... yes |
| 15:16.35 | craigevil | that was more or less the issue on the aptosid link, but it should only be in sid as the upgrade was in the last couple of days, ie the multi-arch stuff |
| 15:17.02 | wols | btw, your thinkpad, T400? |
| 15:17.05 | dutchfish | craigevil, i am running a vigin testing system |
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| 15:17.14 | dutchfish | s/vigin/virgin |
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| 15:17.40 | wols | ie, does it have switchable graphics? |
| 15:18.19 | craigevil | dutchfish, http://blog.mraw.org/2011/06/14/mesa_a_disturbance_in_the_Force/ |
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| 15:19.22 | sooth | How do I feed a list of packages to aptitude and then resolve the dependencies interactively? |
| 15:19.24 | craigevil | dutchfish, discussion in #debian-kde on oftc about this issue |
| 15:19.26 | dutchfish | craigevil, http://pastebin.com/yZXAAbFs (7.10.2-3 for testing) |
| 15:19.46 | dutchfish | craigevil, okidoki, and thanks |
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| 15:24.19 | case__ | nice weekend all |
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| 15:27.01 | _deyan_ | hello ,i want help about this error "ew7711usn ew7711usn # apt-get -f update |
| 15:27.02 | _deyan_ | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 15:27.02 | _deyan_ | E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 15:27.32 | wols | _deyan_: some other process is using apt right now and blocking it |
| 15:28.58 | _deyan_ | thanks i will open top and kill them |
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| 15:31.38 | Delf | craigevil: It is installed already. |
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| 15:33.46 | wols | Delf: dpkg -l isc-dhcp-server |
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| 15:34.15 | _deyan_ | wols the problem is bigger than i expect |
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| 15:37.51 | _deyan_ | i want to upgrade my distro with "apt-get dist-upgrade" but it's show "Reading changelogs" and long massage after that |
| 15:38.28 | wols | !tell _deyan_ about BAT |
| 15:38.44 | stew | _deyan_: sounds like perhaps you want to disable apt-listchanges for the upgrade |
| 15:38.49 | acu | I want to remote connect through remmina in gnome - but I have terrible time to eliminate that keyring useless prompt on remote machine - this means someone always should be there to put the password |
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| 15:38.58 | stew | _deyan_: what version oare you upgrading from and to? |
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| 15:39.54 | _deyan_ | today i install linux mint debian edition 32bits |
| 15:40.18 | _deyan_ | i saw kernel was 2.6.32 |
| 15:40.29 | _deyan_ | but the new one is 2.6.38 |
| 15:40.42 | craigevil | _deyan_, just hit q to get out of the listchanges screen |
| 15:41.08 | _deyan_ | oooooooo |
| 15:41.11 | _deyan_ | thanks |
| 15:41.16 | _deyan_ | it's simple |
| 15:42.15 | _deyan_ | i do not know about that |
| 15:42.21 | wols | acu: install the debian-keying package |
| 15:42.45 | acu | wols: thanks - do I need to do anything else ? |
| 15:43.21 | webad13 | I have sat up wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces. How can I have it that once device it turned on that it is connected automatically, that is that ifup/ifdown are called. Is this already inbuilt with a command or do I need to code it myself? |
| 15:43.23 | wols | acu: I strongly suggest you to use ssh and aptitude |
| 15:43.46 | wols | webad13: the "auto" part does that by itself |
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| 15:47.19 | webad13 | wols: but auto wont bring ifconfig wlan0 up? |
| 15:47.28 | acu | wols is that debian-keyring or debian-keying ? |
| 15:47.31 | acu | y |
| 15:48.11 | webad13 | wols: I am turning it off with a hardware switch - when I turn it on it is not in ifconfig, until I up it |
| 15:48.27 | stew | _deyan_: this is the wrong channel for mint, you should be in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
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| 15:49.05 | jhutchins_lt | webad13: auto brings it up at boot. allow-hotplug is what you need. |
| 15:49.21 | jhutchins_lt | webad13: Unless you're using a network-manager applet. |
| 15:49.56 | webad13 | jhutchins_lt: I am not - but I read somewhere on arch that allow-hotplug is quite old... is there some other option for it or that is the only one? |
| 15:50.30 | jhutchins_lt | TCP/IP is also quite old. |
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| 15:51.00 | jhutchins_lt | webad13: That is the CORRECT one. They don't go throwing around new options just to keep it fresh. |
| 15:51.36 | _deyan_ | i'm on fire ,the problem is solved thx folks |
| 15:52.02 | webad13 | jhutchins_lt: I am aksing because it wasn't working when I would unpulg and plug the cable back in. And I thought that there was a reson why this is getting depreciated. I know that if something is good it will stay good |
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| 15:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | webad13: It's not deprecated. There is the fact that /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't cover the user-space managed intefaces these days, but that's not related. |
| 15:52.53 | webad13 | jhutchins_lt: do I need auto option to foolow with this or auto is boot only? |
| 15:53.07 | jhutchins_lt | webad13: Auto means start at boot. |
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| 15:53.19 | jhutchins_lt | webad13: Allow hotplug will start at boot if connected. |
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| 15:53.32 | webad13 | jhutchins_lt: ok thanx I will try it out now |
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| 15:55.59 | rutski | I'm so horribly confused about the difference between "squeeze-updates" and "squeeze/updates" in my sources.list file |
| 15:56.04 | webad13 | jhutchins_lt: same thing - my problem is related to the fact that wlan0 is not present in ifconfig whan I turn off the switch and than turn it back on |
| 15:56.09 | rutski | Looking at http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/ I see a squeeze-updates dist, but I don't see a squeeze/updates dist |
| 15:56.16 | webad13 | jhutchins_lt: is this normal? |
| 15:56.27 | rutski | actually, I know what squeeze-updates is, it's an almost-completely-empty dist with updates to things like spam filters and tz data |
| 15:56.44 | rutski | but what the heck is squeeze/updates? and if it's not on the mirrors in the dists/ directory then how does apt find it? |
| 15:56.52 | babilen_ | rutski: security updates |
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| 15:57.05 | babilen_ | !tell rutski -about security |
| 15:57.09 | stew | rutski: squeeze/updates is security updates that wouldn't be on normal mirrors, just the security mirrors |
| 15:57.19 | jhutchins_lt | webad13: udev should detect it when you turn it back on, check dmesg and your logs. |
| 15:57.26 | rutski | oh, shoot; right, didn't catch that |
| 15:57.30 | dstufft | Why would a package appear on packages.debian.org but when I try to install it with aptitude it tells me it doesn't exist? |
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| 15:57.41 | rutski | I just noticed it's coming from security.debian.org in the sources.list file, my mistake |
| 15:57.57 | jhutchins_lt | dstufft: You either don't have the repository configured or you haven't updated. |
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| 15:58.01 | elkng | there are as many as 52 CDs, who would use them rather than DVDs ? |
| 15:58.07 | stew | rutski: (and yes, these names were poorly chosen) |
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| 15:58.18 | rutski | stew: heh, I see |
| 15:58.18 | jhutchins_lt | elkng: Someone who didn't have a DVD drive. |
| 15:58.25 | rutski | babilen_: wait... why is there a separate repo for security updates? does that imply that the main repo is frozen and doesn't get security updates? |
| 15:58.30 | jhutchins_lt | elkng: Someone who didn't want to download a 4G DVD iso. |
| 15:58.41 | rutski | I remember asking about all this about a week ago actually, but I've since forgotten the reasoning |
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| 15:58.49 | elkng | and why arent there BlyeRays ? |
| 15:58.54 | elkng | images |
| 15:59.04 | stew | rutski: the main repo only gets security updates in the point releases, so it gets them, just more slowly |
| 15:59.04 | jhutchins_lt | stew: You seemed very familiar with the security repo policies... |
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| 15:59.56 | stew | rutski: there are fewer security mirrors because we want tighter control to prevent replay attacks |
| 16:00.10 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to make sshd show starts when user is inputting password by keyboard? |
| 16:00.10 | rutski | ahh, that makes sense |
| 16:00.17 | rutski | yeah, I was about to ask about the logic behind that |
| 16:00.23 | JyZyXEL | stars* |
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| 16:01.05 | dstufft | jhutchins_lt: I've done both (as far as I can tell?) http://paste.pocoo.org/show/413822/ |
| 16:01.10 | stew | rutski: i am a malicious mirror owner, i know you come to me for your security updates. I hold a security update back from you by showing you an older version of the archive, I now know exactly how you are vulnerable... |
| 16:01.38 | rutski | indeed, yeah; makes sense |
| 16:02.21 | rutski | I get the feeling that there are probably security conscious people out there who make it a point to only ever use debian.org mirrors? |
| 16:02.54 | stew | dstufft: it looks like you don't have a deb line for ftp.us.debian.org, just a deb-src line |
| 16:03.34 | dstufft | stew: line 2 of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 16:03.59 | stew | dstufft: oh, sorry i misread |
| 16:04.36 | dstufft | stew: np :) |
| 16:04.44 | dstufft | I've never seen this happen before >.> |
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| 16:05.22 | stew | i both missed the sources.list file at the top completely and line 8 of console somehow |
| 16:06.13 | stew | dstufft: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy icinga"? |
| 16:06.20 | jhutchins_lt | dstufft: Also, you should replace "testing" with "wheezy", although it won't be an issue for a while yet, it's good practice. |
| 16:06.55 | stew | dstufft: you should leave "testing" if you intend to stick with testing when wheezy releases, and switch to wheezy if you intend to stick with wheezy |
| 16:07.20 | dstufft | yea that's true |
| 16:07.57 | dstufft | on an unrelated note, I'm pretty sure something else is messed up, aptitude show on any package I don't already have installed is telling me it can't find it, sec let me get those for you stew |
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| 16:08.32 | dstufft | well atleast on a couple i tested |
| 16:08.44 | rutski | stew: so point releases are for security updates, are there also bug fixes in there |
| 16:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | stew: That advice is contrary to what the majority of experienced users in the support channel recommend, but as you are a maintainer i defer to you. |
| 16:08.57 | rutski | or do you guys really stick to the whole "bugs are features" thing? |
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| 16:09.06 | dstufft | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/413827/ |
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| 16:09.36 | elkng | are debian-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-*.iso the latest images ? |
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| 16:10.02 | elkng | or there should be "6.0.1" rather than "6.0.1a" ? |
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| 16:10.14 | joshteam | What's the easiest way to put my server on UTC? |
| 16:10.34 | dstufft | (for information: I just switched testing to wheezy and aptitude update) |
| 16:10.50 | cahoot | josh, look at /etc/default/rcS |
| 16:11.00 | cahoot | joshteam, ^ |
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| 16:11.24 | joshteam | cahoot: yeah, I have "UTC=yes" |
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| 16:11.39 | joshteam | nevermind :-p looks like I "am" UTC :) |
| 16:12.15 | Justin | generally you should always be on UTC, with the timezone set to the local time |
| 16:12.31 | twobitsprite | wow, I just read that Debain won 2 categories in CeBIT |
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| 16:12.57 | twobitsprite | that's pretty awesome |
| 16:13.10 | stew | rutski: debian rarely puts non-security related bugfixes in stable, but when it does, it would be part of the point release |
| 16:13.30 | elkng | is there list of mirrors on debian.org ? |
| 16:13.46 | twobitsprite | !tell elkng about mirrors |
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| 16:14.31 | rutski | stew: right, makes sense |
| 16:15.15 | rutski | just curious, are point releases on a regular schedule? or do you just do them when it seems like too many things have piled up in squeeze-updates? |
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| 16:16.27 | dstufft | stew: jhutchins could this be a problem with the mirror? I just did apt-get clean, anda ttempted to run apt-get update again, and I got an error |
| 16:16.30 | dstufft | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/413832/ |
| 16:16.34 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I prevent grub from binding to a specific FS UID? So that I can clone my HDD and just use update-grub /dev/sdX for it which results in a bootable backup disk |
| 16:17.44 | rutski | voldemort... really...? :-p |
| 16:18.09 | dstufft | rutski: lol |
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| 16:21.18 | stew | dstufft: your apt-cache policy output says that you don't have "main" on ly contrib and non-free |
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| 16:22.22 | stew | jhutchins: "That advice is contrary to what the majority of experienced users in the support channel recommend" <- really, it isn't |
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| 16:23.11 | dstufft | stew: did you see the last paste? I cleared the cache and updated and i got an error trying to update main |
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| 16:24.19 | craigevil | dstufft, the us mirror sucks pick a different mirror |
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| 16:24.39 | stew | dstufft: (apt-get clean wouldn't affect this at all) |
| 16:25.03 | JyZyXEL | oh wow /usr/share/doc/libpam-opie/README.Debian |
| 16:25.08 | JyZyXEL | that is totally wrong for Squeeze |
| 16:25.10 | stew | dstufft: that mirror is probably temporarily broken, try a different one, perhaps mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 16:25.38 | dstufft | yea i just tried kernel and it worked |
| 16:25.39 | rutski | umm... wow; the next debian release is going to be called "wheezy"? |
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| 16:26.00 | stew | rutski: yes, named after the penguin |
| 16:26.10 | dstufft | er kernel.org* |
| 16:26.19 | dstufft | So guess it was that mirror :x |
| 16:26.21 | dstufft | thanks :) |
| 16:26.29 | rutski | feel feel free to tell me to shut up if you think I'm trolling, but a release name like "wheezy" might deserve some PR review and reconsideration |
| 16:26.47 | rutski | *feel free |
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| 16:29.23 | babilen | rutski: yeah "Debian Troll" (it will happen eventually!) would definitely be better -- Debian just uses toy story character names. And honestly: Ubuntu's names are worse IMHO. |
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| 16:29.50 | rutski | looks up Ubuntu names |
| 16:29.55 | wols | someone please tell a non-native speaker why "wheezy" is so problematic? |
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| 16:30.22 | stew | wols: "wheezing" is something that someone with problems breathing would do |
| 16:30.59 | wols | then I guess prudish USians really must have hated "woody"... |
| 16:31.01 | rutski | heh, Ubuntu 4.10 was "Warty Warthog", awesome :-p |
| 16:31.07 | rutski | wols: heh, awesome |
| 16:31.09 | JyZyXEL | what does wheezy mean? |
| 16:31.13 | rutski | never saw that one, heh |
| 16:31.35 | stew | JyZyXEL: debian names its releases after characters from the movie "Toy Story" wheezy was the penguin toy |
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| 16:35.46 | rutski | Manager to IT guy: "I overheard the other day you're using something called 'wheeze' on our servers, you sure that's a good idea?" Tech guy: "Sure it is! It's just Debian." Manager: "Oh, and what does Debian mean?" Tech guy: "It's our linux distro's name, named after Ian and his wife Deb." Manager: "umm..." |
| 16:35.59 | amoe | why are people determined to suck all the fun out of free software? |
| 16:36.30 | stew | rutski: if people are choosing their server software based on how much they enjoy the names, I say, let them |
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| 16:37.32 | amoe | some guy made a bug for the default apache page being "It works!" saying that was unprofessional |
| 16:37.39 | amoe | FFS |
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| 16:38.09 | rutski | stew: understood, yeah :-p |
| 16:38.13 | stew | they should make it more like IIS and have it not work! :) |
| 16:38.15 | rutski | I'd still rather pick betters release names and see a useful project like debian get more wide spread penetration though, heh |
| 16:38.39 | amoe | Debian Ultimate Edition |
| 16:38.46 | rutski | awesome, perfect name :D |
| 16:38.55 | stew | rutski: i really don't think that the release names are holding debian back at all. and if it is, i doubt very much that the RMs care |
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| 16:41.34 | rutski | stew: I disagree, I'd bet the names do have a measure affect on adoption. "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6" sounds a whole lot better to a manager than "Debian Wheezey," seriously. |
| 16:41.44 | rutski | *effect |
| 16:42.23 | rutski | though I know debian isn't likely to change, so /me *sobs* |
| 16:43.15 | jelly | stew: the issue is they _don't_ care and maybe, just maybe, they could! |
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| 16:43.37 | jelly | rutski: Debian 7 sounds better tho |
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| 16:46.13 | rutski | Indeed, yeah; "Debian" in and of itself has a nice enough sound, with the added benefit that it's not otherwise an English word, so your brain can attach to it whatever (presumably great and awesome) connotations it wants :D |
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| 16:46.17 | rutski | at least that's what my brain did |
| 16:48.16 | rutski | Oh, hey; why doesn't punching http://mirrors.security.org/ into a web browser get me a mirror browser like http://ftp.us.debian.org/ |
| 16:48.17 | rutski | ? |
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| 16:49.03 | valdyn | rutski: why would you use that instead of packages.debian.org ? |
| 16:49.08 | wols | if names are apparently so important, why haven't those people who think so made their own distros and overwhelmed the competition totally... strangely enough that hasn't happened. at all. |
| 16:49.35 | wols | rutski: why would debian own security.org? |
| 16:49.55 | rutski | my bad, I meant to type http://security.debian.org :-p |
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| 16:50.19 | rutski | dunno how mirrors.debian.org came out of my hands, heh |
| 16:50.25 | rutski | *mirrors.security.org |
| 16:50.34 | rutski | wow, my brain is dysfunctional today; sorry |
| 16:51.40 | valdyn | rutski: i dont think adoption is a priority among the people who actually make debian possible |
| 16:51.41 | rutski | wols: well I'd want to say to that question "I don't know." Perhaps names aren't all that matters. Or perhaps debian was just there first. Or perhaps distro adoption is somewhat arbitrary and random, and based on forces we can't really see. |
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| 16:52.36 | rutski | but I'd be willing to bet that debian would see more wide-spread adoption if they did some PR management |
| 16:53.29 | rutski | the website and the docs could look better |
| 16:53.37 | rutski | so could the default wallpaper and GDM3 theme in squeeze |
| 16:53.45 | rutski | sorry, but people go for this kind of stuff :-p |
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| 16:54.55 | valdyn | rutski: youre not the first to bring this up, and you wont be the last. But I don't really see debian developers care about that |
| 16:55.23 | wols | and while you might have not been trolling at first, I'm not sure anymore |
| 16:55.32 | babilen | IMHO the current website is a *huge* improvement and I like it a lot. |
| 16:55.33 | rutski | well, yeah; *developers* might not care |
| 16:55.46 | rutski | but I'd be willing to put some effort in on this front for example, if it'd be taken to kindly |
| 16:55.51 | valdyn | rutski: theres only developers |
| 16:55.56 | rutski | only ever uses debian |
| 16:55.58 | valdyn | rutski: no one else is involved in debian |
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| 16:56.14 | rutski | valdyn: well *someone* is doing the graphs and web design, however minimal |
| 16:56.26 | wols | rutski: have you ever seen a debian PR department? accountant offices? yeah, me neither |
| 16:56.29 | valdyn | rutski: thats a debian developer too |
| 16:56.35 | rutski | does the community not want graphics people on the team in principal, or is it just that there are none? |
| 16:57.02 | rutski | wols: "and while you might have not been trolling at first, I'm not sure anymore" <--- I'm not either :-p |
| 16:57.13 | babilen | rutski: Debian is a do-ocracy. Things that get done get done - so create something and lobby for inclusion. |
| 16:57.16 | wols | the job of making debian means creating, debugging, integrating .deb packages and running the servers to distribute the,. nothing more, nothing less |
| 16:57.43 | rutski | babilen: interesting, noted :) |
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| 16:58.28 | rutski | wols: on another point, perhaps more related to "debian development" in proper, I think the docs about how to create .deb's could use to be better in certain areas |
| 16:58.47 | rutski | suddenly has motivation to do some work on this |
| 16:59.07 | rutski | at least the graphics part of things, since I'm still mostly clueless about .deb internals |
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| 16:59.33 | rutski | who would I talk to if I, let's say, did a new design concept for the website? |
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| 16:59.46 | rutski | just post it to the list? |
| 16:59.47 | babilen | rutski: check http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/packaging-tutorial.html -- might make things clearer |
| 17:00.00 | valdyn | rutski: yes |
| 17:00.06 | rutski | cool, noted |
| 17:00.09 | rutski | (on both points) |
| 17:00.14 | babilen | rutski: #debian-www or their mailing list would probably be a good place. (the channel is on irc.debian.org) |
| 17:00.30 | rutski | ah, I see; also noted |
| 17:01.20 | keith4 | do I have to restart/reload something to make a libwrap'd service see changes to /etc/hosts.allow? |
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| 17:04.11 | jelly | keith4: the files are typically reread on each connection but I guess some apps might to it just once |
| 17:04.32 | keith4 | jelly: k, thanks |
| 17:05.31 | tharkun | gentlemen One totally noob question what does the lost+found directory is used for. Searching on google gave no usefull answers. |
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| 17:06.15 | babilen | tharkun: Your google-fu is weak -- http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/lostfound.html |
| 17:06.59 | babilen | (and a bazillion of other hits) |
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| 17:07.29 | tharkun | babilen: yes i know google used to work now it is a total crap. I had also like a bazillion hits but they were not linux oriented |
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| 17:10.08 | valdyn | yea, its googles fault, sure |
| 17:10.38 | pickcoder | there are also backports |
| 17:10.53 | pickcoder | if you want to see a dated distribution look at RHEL |
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| 17:11.04 | pickcoder | 5.0 is running a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 17:11.12 | tharkun | valdyn: Who elses is allways wrong :D |
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| 17:11.30 | dawud | pickcoder: not totally fair. RHEL includes backported patches |
| 17:11.51 | dawud | pickcoder: to the kernel, I mean |
| 17:12.01 | pickcoder | and yet my RHEL certified IBM X-series has no supported thermal devices |
| 17:12.33 | jelly | don't blame RHEL, blame IBM |
| 17:12.33 | dawud | pickcoder: maybe blame IBM for not opening their devices |
| 17:12.35 | pickcoder | 2.6.32 supports it |
| 17:13.26 | hid3 | Any advice about making a complete and bootable XFS filesystem copy? doing cd /; cp -aux . /mnt and then swapping the disks does not seem to work. The system from new disk boots but hangs just after 'Freeing unused kernel memory'. |
| 17:13.29 | pickcoder | it's just not supported in 2.6.18 and RHEL won't backport the module fix and driver |
| 17:13.34 | pickcoder | regardless... |
| 17:13.42 | jelly | thinks IBM X servers are quite a bit shoddier(?) than say HP DL Proliants |
| 17:14.03 | stew | pickcoder: debian wouldn't either in the same situation, fwiw |
| 17:14.16 | tharkun | Gentlemen i ssb postfix from sid to squeeze looking for sqlite support that exists since version 2.8. How can i check that it is indeed supported WITHOUT installing the package? |
| 17:14.36 | jelly | tharkun: what's wrong with installing? |
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| 17:15.04 | tharkun | jelly: No available server to test it on. |
| 17:15.10 | jelly | tharkun: you could look at the dependencies but that won't tell you whether the build support acutally works |
| 17:15.15 | jelly | built* |
| 17:15.30 | wols | tharkun: check the dependencies |
| 17:15.46 | wols | ,versions postfix |
| 17:15.47 | judd | Package postfix on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.5-1.1; lenny-security: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.7.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.1-1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.8.3-1; wheezy: 2.8.3-1 |
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| 17:16.08 | pickcoder | grr |
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| 17:17.21 | pickcoder | dunno what's up with hitchcock |
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| 17:18.03 | tharkun | wols, jelly thanks someone decided that striping it from postfix was a good idea. |
| 17:18.41 | tharkun | upstream depends on libsqlite3-0 3.7.3-1 and sid package doesn't |
| 17:19.30 | rutski | does security.debian.org have contrib and non-free? |
| 17:19.49 | rutski | and again, I'd really love to be able to verify this by plugging in http://secuirty.debian.org or some sub-URL thereof into a web browser |
| 17:19.59 | rutski | even if only just to browse around the repo out of curiosity |
| 17:20.39 | streuner | dpkg, security |
| 17:20.39 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 17:21.09 | rutski | an, interesting |
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| 17:21.20 | stew | rutski: rarely. you can, for instance look at the packages file here: http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 17:21.37 | stew | rutski: (it will currently be empty, becuase they haven't done anything in non-free yet) |
| 17:21.56 | streuner | which isnt a wonder :-) |
| 17:22.20 | streuner | (you arent able to fix something without open source...) |
| 17:22.30 | rutski | heh, yeah; not surprising |
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| 17:22.41 | stew | much of the software in non-free is open source |
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| 17:24.53 | jelly | tharkun: hm, perhaps the support is going to end up in a separate binary package like postfix-{pcre,mysql,pgsql} |
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| 17:26.58 | tharkun | jelly: I expected that, but when you ssb postfix all excep posfix-sqlite appear |
| 17:27.37 | jelly | I mean, does the sid package have the support or not? |
| 17:27.38 | rutski | so what's the deal with apt vs aptitude? |
| 17:27.51 | jelly | rutski: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 17:27.58 | jelly | rutski: /msg dpkg why not aptitude :-D |
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| 17:28.54 | rutski | interesting |
| 17:29.08 | rutski | so it's not like apt is dead |
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| 17:29.30 | rutski | is mixing them OK? |
| 17:29.50 | rutski | I mean, say apt gets confused by something, and you try to whip out aptitude as a solution. Will things go smoothly? |
| 17:30.47 | pickcoder | rutski: it really depends on the cross-up |
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| 17:31.25 | stew | rutski: its not like aptitude is a magic bullet, but doing that won't hurt |
| 17:31.31 | pickcoder | sometimes you have to fix it yourself by using dpkg and deb files |
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| 17:32.29 | tharkun | jelly: i don't think it has it since there is no dependency for the sqlite library |
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| 17:32.59 | jason404 | where is that logon text file? the containi8ng Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY... |
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| 17:33.21 | tharkun | rutski: there are some dependencies that aptitude does solve and apt-get utterly fails. Not many though |
| 17:33.22 | jason404 | I'm getting sick of it |
| 17:33.27 | stew | jason404: /msg dpkg motd |
| 17:33.35 | jason404 | stew: thanks |
| 17:33.51 | ujjain | How do I install ackages.debian.org/source/sid/bitlbee-skype via apt-get? |
| 17:33.52 | jason404 | no, i meant on debian |
| 17:34.01 | jason404 | stew: on debain |
| 17:34.04 | stew | jason404: yes |
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| 17:34.17 | stew | jason404: type "/msg dpkg motd" in your irc client |
| 17:34.29 | pickcoder | jason404: it's a motd and a pretty standard *nix file |
| 17:34.37 | jason404 | ic |
| 17:34.40 | craigevil | ujjain, the same way you would any other package, apt-get install foo |
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| 17:34.59 | stew | ujjain: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:35.15 | jason404 | freenode runs on debian then? |
| 17:35.40 | stew | jason404: what? uh, some of the servers probably are, many probably aren't, why do you ask? |
| 17:35.41 | jelly | tharkun: so... there's no reason why it would appear in the backport is there |
| 17:36.24 | jason404 | stew: from the message O saw that you told me to read |
| 17:36.28 | jason404 | stew: (18:34:31) •dpkg!~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg• rumour has it, motd is the Message Of The Day. /etc/motd is a symbolic link to /var/run/motd on Debian systems and is updated each boot. See "man 5 motd" and "man 5 motd.tail" for further information. Make /etc/motd a symlink to some other file to disable autogeneration. Squeeze users, see also Debian bug #541455. |
| 17:36.47 | stew | jason404: that doesn't say anything about freenode. dpkg is just a bot for this channel that we pump full of FAQs |
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| 17:37.08 | jason404 | oh ok |
| 17:37.08 | pickcoder | hehe dpkg is high on FAQ |
| 17:38.22 | tharkun | 7msg dpkg nmg |
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| 17:45.42 | deadlyninja | if you have two routes with the same metric, which one takes precedence? |
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| 17:47.24 | mapd | hi |
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| 17:48.07 | jelly | deadlyninja: theoretically, you should not be able to configure two routes to the same segment with same metric. However, Linux kernel allows that via "route" command and empirical evidence (accidentally configuring two default routes ;-) shows packages go both ways |
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| 17:48.24 | antiwire | lol |
| 17:48.39 | morphic | I have a NTFS pendrive, it automounts well in debian, but for a fresh install without gnome, it is just recognized, what can I use to automount it? |
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| 17:50.12 | jelly | morphic: hmm. Install ntfs-3g? |
| 17:50.30 | mapd | im using stable and i wanted new iceweasel what would be the best way to install it? |
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| 17:51.00 | deadlyninja | jelly, should i be using "ip route" instead of "route"? |
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| 17:51.18 | jelly | deadlyninja: ip route just doesn't allow it, I think |
| 17:51.20 | deadlyninja | jelly, these routes are set up by openvpn and there is definitely two default routes |
| 17:51.31 | mapd | ip route is newer |
| 17:51.44 | deadlyninja | is "ip route" the way of the future then |
| 17:52.20 | jelly | deadlyninja: "ip route" is the Linux 2.4 way! Totally new and fresh! Debian hasn't quite caught up with it yet |
| 17:52.30 | deadlyninja | nice |
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| 17:54.52 | na8ur | hi .. I try to install exim4 on debian sarge .. but it always fails to run exim.. the only err message I got is /usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf: Error, no /etc/exim4/conf.d, exiting. |
| 17:55.44 | jelly | na8ur: sarge? |
| 17:56.02 | na8ur | jelly: yepp .. I know .. stone bone old |
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| 17:58.52 | jelly | na8ur: do you require exim4 or is any working MTA acceptable |
| 17:59.03 | mapd | deadlyninja |
| 17:59.09 | mapd | you might need to use iptables too |
| 17:59.19 | na8ur | I think exim4 is needed because of that confixx |
| 18:00.23 | jelly | na8ur: ignoring the message for a moment, what fails to work? |
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| 18:01.36 | na8ur | jelly: to start exim4 .. there is not even a /etc/init.d/exim4 file.. I created one and copied that into init.d from another old machine |
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| 18:02.28 | mapd | how would you run multiple instances of the same daemon? |
| 18:02.32 | na8ur | jelly: I purged it, I renistalled it, I removed it and installed it again, I removed the archives .. but still not even dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config creates the files |
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| 18:02.39 | dondelelcaro | mapd: depends on the daemon |
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| 18:03.37 | twobitsprite | anyone know why the conventional sudo group is called "wheel"? just curious... |
| 18:05.04 | jelly | na8ur: did you purge all the exim related packages? |
| 18:05.17 | amphi | !wheel |
| 18:05.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, wheel is the traditional name of security group 0 in BSD (from slang for "big wheel" as a powerful person). This group is irrelevant in the default Debian configs but you can use the "sudo" group to give users the ability to run commands as root through sudo; ask me about <sudoers>. Alternatively, look at the pam_wheel module for <PAM> which will only allow su to root from members of the wheel group. |
| 18:05.24 | twobitsprite | na8ur: there might be an "exim-common" or something you're missing |
| 18:05.39 | na8ur | jelly: yes |
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| 18:05.50 | twobitsprite | amphi: ahh, thanks |
| 18:05.52 | na8ur | twobitsprite: I give it a chance.. |
| 18:06.10 | jelly | na8ur: if it were me and I just needed a working MTA I'd just install postfix |
| 18:06.35 | Bast-san | hey guys, how to mount a jffs2 image with write support? |
| 18:06.40 | jelly | but you say you need exim4, so that's not an option |
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| 18:07.22 | na8ur | jelly: thx :) Maybe I should see if I can get a marrige with confixx and postfix.. maybe qmail .. I have some experience with this. |
| 18:07.29 | twobitsprite | Bast-san: does "mount -tjffs2 /dev/blah /mnt/something" not work? |
| 18:07.39 | na8ur | jelly: but this beaviour is super strange.. isn't it? |
| 18:08.12 | na8ur | twobitsprite: no common files available if I apt-cache search |
| 18:08.20 | jelly | na8ur: the packages might be tripping on some leftover debconf stuff; after purging them all, see if there's any mention of exim in /var/*/debconf/* |
| 18:08.41 | Bast-san | twobitsprite it's mounted but when i try to do some changes it say there are no space enough |
| 18:08.50 | jelly | na8ur: who knows what sort of bugs hide in that old release |
| 18:09.00 | twobitsprite | Bast-san: maybe the problem is that there's no space? what does df tell you? |
| 18:09.28 | na8ur | jelly: I do so :) .. thx. Bugs: yeah' but it worked for quite a while ..than my auto-apt-get script .. might have killed it somehow .. |
| 18:10.04 | twobitsprite | na8ur: you shouldn't auto-apt-get... there might be things you should pay attention to or need to respond to.... does your script at least log the output? |
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| 18:10.58 | jelly | thinks any further thoughts from him about exim4 and sarge would require a paypal transaction |
| 18:11.01 | Bast-san | it must just enlarge don't it? |
| 18:11.14 | Bast-san | twobitsprite but it's a file |
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| 18:12.10 | Savis | blarb |
| 18:12.18 | twobitsprite | Bast-san: what do you mean enlarge? why would it enlarge? does it have infinite space and just hide it from you until you try writing to it? |
| 18:12.41 | jelly | Bast-san: does jffs2 even support resizing? |
| 18:12.51 | Bast-san | twobitsprite it's a file on my HD |
| 18:13.05 | jelly | an image of the filesystem, it seems |
| 18:13.05 | pickcoder | sends jelly $0.10USD for a $0.01USD thought |
| 18:13.12 | twobitsprite | Bast-san: so? |
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| 18:13.54 | twobitsprite | Bast-san: it's still only as big as you made the file, I don't believe jffs2 supports autogrow, does it? |
| 18:13.54 | Bast-san | ok, how should i resize the partition on a file? |
| 18:13.59 | jelly | pickcoder: transaction costs from the darn payment processor ate the whole dime! |
| 18:14.21 | pickcoder | nom nom nom |
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| 18:14.58 | valdyn | Bast-san: what are you missing? its not different to resizing a partition on a harddisk |
| 18:15.00 | na8ur | twobitsprite: yeah got some loggs. .but as the server is not very bussy .. its quite a while ago.. and it took me ages to realize that there are no incomming mails. I was happy not to receive any spam :) ouch! |
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| 18:18.32 | na8ur | jelly: after a remove I just can remove things under /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim* without loosing any conf's but anyway it would be good if exim would start anyway .. so I guess I can?! |
| 18:18.58 | jelly | na8ur: if you have things there you haven't removed the packages properly |
| 18:19.13 | na8ur | jelly: this is hope :) |
| 18:19.21 | jelly | this is SILLLY |
| 18:20.00 | na8ur | jelly: why .. so I can remove .. or do I have a apt-get prob than? |
| 18:21.31 | jelly | na8ur: do you have backups of that machine? It might be worth to keep contents of /etc/exim from a week ago, but I don't see why those from right now would make any difference |
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| 18:23.48 | dlynes | I can't remember offhand, but what's the command to tell Debian to use a different desktop? i.e. to switch from xfce to gnome? |
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| 18:24.05 | na8ur | jelly: nope |
| 18:24.10 | jelly | dlynes: $EDITOR ~/.dmrc |
| 18:24.41 | jelly | dlynes: or choose a different session type at the login screen |
| 18:25.24 | dlynes | jelly, yeah....nothing in the .dmrc to tell it to use a different desktop, and my login screen doesn't give me the option to choose a different session type |
| 18:25.45 | dlynes | jelly, I could've sworn there was a dpkg-reconfigure command to do it? |
| 18:25.48 | jelly | dlynes: what sort of login screen is that |
| 18:26.01 | dlynes | jelly, mythtv |
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| 18:26.26 | adimit | 'elo. I'm having constant sound problems with MPD under debian. Basically, must apps just won't play sound while mpd is playing something and v.v. |
| 18:26.37 | adimit | s/must/most. |
| 18:26.48 | adimit | MPD is running as my user, belongs to the audio group. |
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| 18:29.26 | dlynes | jelly, basically...it starts up with xfce panel on the desktop, and runs gdm or xdm (not sure which) |
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| 18:30.42 | adimit | hm. nevermind, fix'd it. |
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| 18:33.28 | dlynes | jelly, just realized it doesn't show the drop down for the session type until after I type in my username...thanks |
| 18:33.43 | jelly | weird |
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| 18:34.07 | houms | i am having issue with ampache installed from repo and gallery install from zip file where i cannot login to either web interface. i think the issue is apache related |
| 18:34.21 | houms | here is error log http://paste.debian.net/120199/ |
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| 18:34.51 | rutski | what's the easiest route to getting a server to automatically notify me when there are updates available from my sources.list repos? |
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| 18:35.19 | rutski | perhaps via email, perhaps via some other mechanism |
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| 18:38.48 | houms | should i be filing a bug against ampache or apache? |
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| 18:39.12 | sh0t | dhcp tftp on the first the second, the client, is now telling me that the mirror specified is not available or maybe it hasn't a correct release file |
| 18:39.22 | houms | it seems to be apache since the gallery3 site cannot be logged into either |
| 18:39.32 | sh0t | i tried other mirrors but i don't think this is the problem... |
| 18:40.08 | sh0t | i tought it could be something about dns but it's not because i set correctly, i think, the resolv.conf file in the client |
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| 18:43.30 | simonlnu | houms: you sure it's a package problem and not a config problem? seems to me suhosin is misbehaving, or something else is. |
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| 18:44.51 | houms | i think you are on to something |
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| 18:45.34 | kdog | rutski: look into cron-apt |
| 18:45.38 | houms | for gallery3 it recommends putting this in php.ini |
| 18:45.41 | houms | suhosin.session.encrypt = Off |
| 18:46.01 | houms | not sure if this is the cause, |
| 18:46.08 | simonlnu | a lot of php apps ask for that |
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| 18:49.47 | houms | so i assume it is not likely the cause |
| 18:50.04 | houms | i commented it out and tested and it still does not allow login |
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| 18:54.57 | simonlnu | you logging php stuff? |
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| 18:58.00 | Roasted | Has anybody installed Gnome 3 on Debian? I'm playing around with the deb based Mint version and wasn't sure if Gnome 3 was possible. |
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| 19:01.03 | stew | Roasted: perhaps http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html ? |
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| 19:02.02 | Roasted | stew, I'm just asking if its possible. Ubuntu 11.04 is Gnome 2.X yet I installed 3 + Gnome Shell on it. |
| 19:02.23 | tensorpudding | people have installed it |
| 19:02.31 | tensorpudding | there is someone on planet debian that was talking about it |
| 19:02.41 | stew | yes, they were posting the link I posted, no? |
| 19:02.48 | Roasted | good deal |
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| 19:03.07 | Roasted | I've just been having some issues on my laptop. I'm almost positive it's not Ubuntu, though, but I wanted to try another distro just to see what's up. |
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| 19:03.59 | tensorpudding | http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/16/installing-gnome-3-on-debian-6-0-squeeze-no-sorry/ |
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| 19:04.44 | stew | ah |
| 19:04.47 | tensorpudding | you can install it on wheezy by adding sid/experimental to your sources, and doing some pinning |
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| 19:06.05 | maligor | this test setup has sid+experimental with gnome3 |
| 19:06.21 | maligor | works quite well, but don't do it unless you know how to fix it |
| 19:06.57 | Roasted | it's on a non critical system, so it wouldn't matter if it breaks |
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| 19:07.08 | tensorpudding | it'll probably break all the time |
| 19:07.13 | Roasted | on mint and ubuntu I just added the official gnome 3 ppa. I figured, well, amybe I could just add the repo and call it a day. |
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| 19:07.27 | tensorpudding | yeah, ubuntu makes it easy to add the repo |
| 19:07.29 | Roasted | but I havent used debian mint and Im not ready to install it (just using mint 11 for now to check it out) |
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| 19:07.35 | tensorpudding | but it totally hoses unity |
| 19:07.42 | Roasted | tensorpudding, yeah, the only catch is I didn't see a "repo". only a ppa. |
| 19:07.45 | simonlnu | mint isn't debian |
| 19:07.58 | Roasted | simonlnu, I was referring to the debian based mint. but I know it's not debian. |
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| 19:08.17 | Roasted | tensorpudding, that'll probably change in 11.10 I would suspect with unity coming as gtk3 based, no? |
| 19:08.19 | simonlnu | ok. making sure you got that |
| 19:08.22 | Sazpaimon | so I need to install a closed source i386 deb on an amd64 system. I tried --force-architecture, but it complains that libc6 is not installed, but I have libc6-i386 installed |
| 19:08.22 | tensorpudding | oh yeah |
| 19:08.24 | Roasted | simonlnu, yep :) |
| 19:08.29 | jelly | Roasted: I think PPA repos use ubuntu as a build platform, so they can't really make packages for Debian |
| 19:08.30 | tensorpudding | you can get the 11.10 alpha |
| 19:08.33 | Sazpaimon | do I need to use something else? |
| 19:08.34 | tensorpudding | packages haven't frozen yet |
| 19:08.36 | eekTheCat | Is this guide to installing gtk themes outdated? http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/gtk/ |
| 19:08.39 | eekTheCat | specifically the bit about copying the gtkrc to .gtkrc and adding pixmap_path to the file |
| 19:08.56 | tensorpudding | they haven't finished it yet |
| 19:08.58 | Roasted | jelly, ahh. I always thought ppa and repos were the same thing, with a ppa just being an easier "hold your hand" way to add it. |
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| 19:09.10 | Roasted | jelly, but it sounds like you're referring to them as being 100% different from each other, despite having similarities. |
| 19:09.10 | tensorpudding | ppa's are functionally the same |
| 19:09.16 | eekTheCat | Or to phrase my question more clearly how the heck do I install a GTK theme? |
| 19:09.21 | tensorpudding | you add a ppa, it adds a couple lines in your apt sources |
| 19:09.36 | tensorpudding | the difference is mostly how you set it up |
| 19:09.39 | Roasted | tensorpudding, perhaps I could just check my ubuntu system to see what lines were added from the gnome3 ppa? |
| 19:09.43 | Roasted | and add that to mint debian/debian? |
| 19:09.56 | jelly | Roasted: PPA is a Canonical-provided framework to make it easier for users to build own packages and offer them to the world |
| 19:10.04 | tensorpudding | the lines in USC's Sources menu are 1-1 with the lines in the configuration file |
| 19:10.30 | Roasted | tensorpudding, so what are you referring I do? Check software ctr for the info? |
| 19:11.15 | tensorpudding | i mean, the Software Sources in the Edit menu |
| 19:11.20 | Roasted | ohh |
| 19:11.29 | Roasted | I thought you menat USC - Ubuntu Software Center |
| 19:11.32 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 19:11.37 | Roasted | oh. ha? |
| 19:11.48 | houms | i am trying to get more info but logging function is not working in ampache. |
| 19:11.58 | tensorpudding | software sources can be reached from the software center |
| 19:12.05 | Roasted | tensorpudding, I wasn't aware of that |
| 19:12.10 | houms | i enabled the logging and created the ampache file in /var/log |
| 19:12.19 | houms | but the file is blank |
| 19:14.30 | Roasted | hmm, not seeing any entry of gnome 3 in my sources list. |
| 19:15.17 | tensorpudding | the Other Software tab? |
| 19:15.28 | stew | Roasted: tensorpudding: you guys should really move this to #ubuntu |
| 19:15.45 | Roasted | or pm. do you mind tensorpudding ? |
| 19:15.58 | tensorpudding | i don't like pm |
| 19:16.03 | tensorpudding | i'll be in #ubuntu |
| 19:16.07 | Roasted | well. thanks anyway then. |
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| 19:16.42 | topyli | stew: they'll just be forwarded to #ubuntu-offtopic, the gnome3 ppa is not supported in any way :) |
| 19:17.19 | stew | well they will be closer there than talking about the gnome3 ppa for ubuntu here |
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| 19:17.29 | topyli | certainly |
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| 19:19.49 | Roasted | I'm not finding much information about gnome 3 and debian without it completely bricking the install. Perhaps it's just something packaged for Ubuntu at the moment via PPA? |
| 19:20.37 | topyli | it's in experimental only right now |
| 19:20.39 | tuxcrafter | is there a HA pool for the debian updates |
| 19:20.59 | tuxcrafter | i now use ftp.uk.debian but it is not available engough |
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| 19:22.43 | abrotman | tuxcrafter: you could use another mirror like mirrors.kernel.org .. which has multiple |
| 19:23.01 | abrotman | tuxcrafter: or just pick another mirror in .uk .. there are quite a few |
| 19:23.02 | tensorpudding | if you want to try gnome 3 without having to worry about hosing your install, you ought to try fedora 15 |
| 19:23.03 | stew | though ftp.uk.debian.org should certainly be working |
| 19:23.12 | abrotman | doesn't Phil do the ftp.uk ? |
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| 19:23.36 | tuxcrafter | abrotman: the problem is i got a _lot_ of debian machines on diffrent locations |
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| 19:23.59 | tuxcrafter | and they all start spamming me when they cant check for updats :D |
| 19:24.05 | abrotman | tuxcrafter: you could set up your own proxy, like use approx and then have your machines point there, and have it point to a single mirror |
| 19:24.14 | bzzzz | is there a reason why my sound apps take forever to start, even after i've configured openal not to look for a pulse server? |
| 19:24.22 | tuxcrafter | i need some thing like pool.eu.debian.org |
| 19:25.25 | Justin | tuxcrafter: you can try using the cdn |
| 19:25.42 | tuxcrafter | cdn? |
| 19:25.44 | Justin | tuxcrafter: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror |
| 19:25.46 | tuxcrafter | it need to have backports |
| 19:26.07 | ^_^joirene | hi everyone! how do i solved this? --> pci 0000:04:05.0: BAR 6: address space collision on of device [0xff700000-0xff71ffff] |
| 19:26.07 | abrotman | cdn wouldn't make it more .. uh .. robust .. just choose a different mirror |
| 19:26.20 | abrotman | tuxcrafter: an apt proxy really isn't a bad idea |
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| 19:26.36 | stew | cdn would make it possibly less robust |
| 19:26.41 | Justin | oh? :( |
| 19:26.47 | stew | yes |
| 19:26.47 | Justin | i thought the cdn was more automagic |
| 19:27.09 | stew | i don't believe it ever gives more than one answer, if that machine is down, you are no better off |
| 19:27.16 | stew | there are dead machines in the cdn pool |
| 19:27.19 | Justin | cdn.debian.net resolves to 2 for me |
| 19:27.35 | stew | ftp.uk.debian.org IS up. if he's having problems getting to it, there is no guarantees he's not going to have problems with any other host |
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| 19:29.02 | Ex-Opesa | I need to install mysql-server-4.1 for a specific program. Do I need to build every thing (apache/phpmyadmin/php/mysql 4.1) from sources or I shouldn't care about higher-version dependency? |
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| 19:30.29 | Justin | Ex-Opesa: why do you need mysql 4.1? |
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| 19:31.00 | Ex-Opesa | Justin: http://www.cao-faktura.de/component/option,com_docman/task,view_category/Itemid,32/subcat,9/catid,69/limitstart,0/limit,15/ |
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| 19:31.27 | Ex-Opesa | That thing requires 3.23 or 4.0, So I guess 4.1 would work.. |
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| 19:34.21 | tuxcrafter | i will try http://cdn.debian.net/debian-backports/ for a while |
| 19:34.31 | rypervenche | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 19:34.32 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze5; sid: 11.0.696.71~r86024-1; wheezy: 11.0.696.71~r86024-1 |
| 19:34.45 | rypervenche | woot! we finally got 11 in Testing (it's installing) |
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| 19:36.40 | stew | do we get to giggle when cdn.debian.net resolves to ftp.uk for him? :) |
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| 19:37.02 | Justin | stew: yes :) |
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| 19:37.10 | stew | actually my uk based machines seem to get phil's machines instead |
| 19:37.21 | stew | err machine |
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| 19:38.45 | eekTheCat | If anyone is wondering I needed to create a file ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 19:39.34 | Justin | eekTheCat: if you are running gnome you can just run the appearance settings |
| 19:39.36 | gnarface | eekTheCat: on debian most the time its created for me and it automatically includes ~/.gtkrc-2.0.mine and it tells me to put my customizations in there |
| 19:40.06 | gnarface | eekTheCat: oh, but i'm not running gnome |
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| 19:41.48 | Ex-Opesa | So anyone? |
| 19:42.46 | eekTheCat | gnarface, yeah. I'm not running gnome either. I was following some old guide from the year 2000, that told me to use a .gtkrc file instead of .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 19:42.55 | Gr33n3gg | Ex-Opesa: http://www.colestock.com/blogs/2008/02/installing-multiple-versions-of-mysql.html |
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| 19:44.17 | gnarface | eekTheCat: i believe that ~/.gtkrc and ~/.gtkrc-2.0 are for gtk and gtk2.0 respectively |
| 19:44.56 | gnarface | eekTheCat: different programs will respect one or the other. i still have both |
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| 19:52.39 | Ex-Opesa | Gr33n3gg, thank you. I will be looking into it soon. |
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| 19:59.29 | Delf1 | is lenny depreciated? |
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| 19:59.42 | bzzzz | deprecated* |
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| 20:00.20 | stew | Delf1: people would certainly deprecate installing it on a new system, since it's no longer the current version. support for lenny will continue until february |
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| 20:03.43 | jon8 | Anyway to fix a bunch of dropped packets and overruns on a bonded set of network cards? |
| 20:04.30 | Delf1 | stew: The thing is, I'm having trouble with the GADMIN tools. Am I the only one? |
| 20:04.46 | Delf1 | I've tried fresh installs on different computers. |
| 20:04.46 | jelly | Delf1: what is "GADMIN" |
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| 20:05.30 | wols | jelly: frontends in gnome for stuff like his dhcpd |
| 20:05.39 | Lasers | jelly: http://gadmintools.flippedweb.com/ |
| 20:05.58 | Lasers | (I think -- unless he didn't spell it wrong). |
| 20:06.03 | jelly | is it packaged in Debian, is what I guess I'm asking? |
| 20:06.21 | wols | yes it is |
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| 20:06.42 | wols | ,version gadmin-tools |
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| 20:06.56 | jelly | ,versions gadmintools |
| 20:06.57 | judd | Package gadmintools on i386 -- squeeze: 8; sid: 9 |
| 20:07.03 | jelly | 8 :-D |
| 20:07.11 | jelly | ,info gadmintools |
| 20:07.13 | judd | Package gadmintools (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: GTK+ server administration tools (meta-package). Version: 8; Size: 2.6k; Installed: 32k; Homepage: http://www.gadmintools.org/ |
| 20:07.29 | jelly | Delf1: is that the thing you're using |
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| 20:08.32 | Lasers | ,info chromium |
| 20:08.34 | judd | Package chromium (games, extra) in squeeze/i386: transitional dummy package for chromium-bsu. Version: 0.9.14.1-2; Size: 17.7k; Installed: 48k; Homepage: http://chromium-bsu.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/chromium |
| 20:08.45 | Lasers | ,versions chromium |
| 20:08.46 | judd | Package chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 11.0.696.71~r86024-1; wheezy: 11.0.696.71~r86024-1 |
| 20:08.53 | jelly | Lasers: plaste /msg judd instead |
| 20:09.10 | jelly | I can't even spell please :-| |
| 20:09.15 | Lasers | jelly: K. :< |
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| 20:11.08 | Delf1 | jelly yes |
| 20:11.14 | na8ur | jelly: I'll let the host recover the machine. sarge is too old the deb's don't fit .. and I wasted to much time .. thank you! |
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| 20:13.50 | jelly | Delf1: gadmin-dhcpd seems to have been removed in unstable. This usually means the software is either unmaintained upstream or otherwise not suitable for Debian. It's quite possible it doesn't support ISC dhcpd 4.0 at all |
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| 20:14.05 | jelly | ,versions gadmin-dhcpd |
| 20:14.06 | judd | Package gadmin-dhcpd on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.4-2; squeeze: 0.4.9-1 |
| 20:14.45 | dlynes | jelly, it supports ISC dhcpd, but the options it supports are quite limited |
| 20:14.54 | jelly | dlynes: 4.0? |
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| 20:15.28 | dlynes | jelly, no idea...I tried it about 3 or 4 years ago on slackware, and I think it was a project that was already suffering at that time |
| 20:15.34 | jelly | or 4.x |
| 20:15.39 | jelly | ,versions isc-dhcp-server |
| 20:15.39 | judd | Package isc-dhcp-server on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze2; sid: 4.1.1-P1-17; wheezy: 4.1.1-P1-17 |
| 20:15.41 | jon8 | Hey guys, how can I fix this.. http://pastebin.com/0ATY9HDu |
| 20:16.05 | Justin | jon8: fix? |
| 20:16.07 | dlynes | jelly, oh...isc dhcp 2 or 3..it was a few years back |
| 20:16.14 | jelly | Delf1: sounds like you're trying to use an abandoned tool |
| 20:16.38 | Delf1 | jelly What the? |
| 20:16.41 | jon8 | Justin look at the numbers.. tons of dropped and overrun packets |
| 20:16.45 | Delf1 | feels like crying.. |
| 20:16.54 | jelly | or an abandoned package |
| 20:17.16 | Justin | jon8: are you using shitty nics and switches? |
| 20:17.28 | Delf1 | Is there a dhcp server that supports client GROUPS. I want to change settings for few reservations and not do it one by one. |
| 20:17.37 | jon8 | Justin server is in a data center |
| 20:17.40 | Delf1 | Clients on same scope that is. |
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| 20:17.53 | jon8 | Justin I'm not sure exactly how to tell what network cards are in use.. |
| 20:18.15 | dlynes | jon8, typically that kind of stuff is cause by shitty switches, nics, bad patch cables, or dust in the connections |
| 20:18.59 | dlynes | jon8, get a can of canned air and blow out the ports in the switch, nics, and ends of the patch cables to see if that fixes your problem....if that doesn't fix it, try replacing the cables, ... |
| 20:19.10 | dlynes | jon8, i.e. start with the cheapest solutions first |
| 20:19.19 | jon8 | dlynes right.. ok. thank you. |
| 20:19.33 | jelly | Delf1: perhaps you just need to deal with isc-dhcp-server config directly or just script the changes |
| 20:19.35 | jon8 | dlynes the server is in a datacenter, i dont have remote hands.. I'll send them an email. |
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| 20:20.30 | dlynes | jon8, typically though, if it's a bad cable or dust, it'll be frame errors...not overruns or drops |
| 20:20.32 | Delf1 | jelly: it is not easy or "user" friendly. Debian is Elite friendly. Not User friendly. |
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| 20:20.51 | jelly | Delf1: you're a DHCP admin, Not User |
| 20:20.59 | dlynes | jon8, overruns and drops are often caused by code that needs pause frames |
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| 20:21.26 | Delf1 | jelly: A new admin and not a Linux Elite. |
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| 20:21.30 | dlynes | jon8, but, i'm guessing that's not the case, or you would've noticed this problem when you first commissioned the equipment, unless you just made changes to flow control recently |
| 20:21.35 | dlynes | jon8, i.e. on the switch |
| 20:21.36 | lancergnu | Is there a kfreebsd # or is this it? |
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| 20:22.18 | dlynes | jon8, but, you might get some other ideas by asking on #networking as well |
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| 20:23.26 | jon8 | ok thank you dlynes |
| 20:23.33 | jelly | Delf1: use analytical skills and split the task into subcomponents: read the dhcpd documentation first, figure out what changes you need to make for each user; later, ask for help about scripting and scaling those changes to multiple user |
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| 20:23.39 | dlynes | jon8, also, fwiw...pause frames are called rx/tx buffers on intel network cards |
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| 20:24.50 | Delf1 | jelly: I'm using those skills now. |
| 20:25.08 | jelly | good ;-) |
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| 20:25.26 | dlynes | lancergnu, this is the debian channel (i.e. linux, not freebsd)...try #freebsd |
| 20:26.02 | ^_^joirene | hi everyone! how do i solved this? --> BAR 6: address space collision on of device in DMESG, my pci network card is the problem. |
| 20:26.27 | lancergnu | kfreebsd (read Debian GNU/kfreebsd) |
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| 20:26.39 | lancergnu | Clearly you don't know everything about Debian, yet. |
| 20:26.47 | Gr33n3gg | heh |
| 20:26.54 | gnu_srs | debian is not only linux, a ssmall correction! |
| 20:27.14 | gnu_srs | s/ssmall/small/ |
| 20:27.24 | Justin | lancergnu: "#debian-kbsd IRC channel (at irc.debian.org)." |
| 20:27.31 | lancergnu | thanks |
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| 20:27.51 | jelly | ^_^joirene: that is weird. Have you tried moving the card to a different PCI slot? |
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| 20:27.56 | dlynes | lancergnu, ah..cool...didn't realize there was a bsd with a debian package manager |
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| 20:28.13 | ^_^joirene | jelly same problem. |
| 20:28.26 | Justin | it's not a bsd with a debian package manager, it's debian with a freebsd kernel |
| 20:28.45 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:28.46 | jelly | ^_^joirene: can you pastebin the whole dmesg |
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| 20:29.10 | dlynes | Justin, eh? What's the difference? |
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| 20:29.43 | Kobaz | dlynes: *bsd is a specific kernel with specific userland, ie: freebsd is an entire system |
| 20:29.45 | ^_^joirene | jelly: [ 0.230300] pci 0000:04:06.0: BAR 6: address space collision on of device [0xff700000-0xff71ffff] |
| 20:30.26 | Kobaz | dlynes: the debian/kfreebsd is bunches of debian packages along with a freebsd kernel... not the freebsd userland |
| 20:30.30 | jelly | ^_^joirene: use a pastebin web site. Pastebin the WHOLE output of dmesg command! |
| 20:30.35 | dlynes | Kobaz, isn't that what I just said? i.e. it's a bsd kernel, with a debian userland and debian packaging system |
| 20:30.51 | Nu^253r | hi, everytime i connect to my WIFI, my deb goes into text mode and freezes, what logs should i look into?! |
| 20:30.52 | jelly | !tell ^_^joirene about paste |
| 20:30.53 | Kobaz | you said bsd with a debian package manager |
| 20:30.56 | dlynes | Kobaz, as opposed to Justin saying it was a freebsd kernel with debian |
| 20:31.05 | Kobaz | it's more than just a change in the package manager |
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| 20:31.22 | Kobaz | dlynes: i'm sure you can build apt and dpkg on freebsd with some work, but that isn't the same thing |
| 20:31.27 | jelly | Kobaz: well the old Debian/NetBSD try died in a fire |
| 20:31.47 | dlynes | Kobaz, so it uses Linux partitioning as well, then, not bsd slices? |
| 20:31.57 | ^_^joirene | jelly: its about this thread http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/39988/ |
| 20:32.02 | gnu_srs | kfreebsd is bsd with glibc and debian |
| 20:32.09 | dlynes | Kobaz, and I can use all my normal linux commands, instead of trying to remember bsd commands? |
| 20:32.43 | Kobaz | dlynes: you'll still need to know some freebsd ways of doing things |
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| 20:33.05 | Kobaz | dlynes: i don't know all the specifics, like partitioning and whatnot, but it's definitly going to be a mix |
| 20:33.05 | Justin | dlynes: normal commands yes, some low level system commands are still the freebsd versions |
| 20:33.12 | dlynes | Kobaz, ok, so there's still some freebsd userland then? |
| 20:33.13 | Justin | but as a user you won't know the difference |
| 20:33.20 | Kobaz | dlynes: the idea is that you get the breadth of the debian package pool, with the freebsd kernel |
| 20:33.22 | jelly | ^_^joirene: that applies to a kernel near 2.6.30 from 2009. Which Debian release are you using? uname -r? |
| 20:33.50 | ^_^joirene | jelly: the squeeze |
| 20:34.05 | Kobaz | dlynes: it's not a drop-in replacement for a linux based system, if that's what you're wondering |
| 20:34.06 | dlynes | Kobaz, i see...sounds interesting...didn't really like the freebsd way of doing things, but debian on top of freebsd might be worth looking at |
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| 20:34.26 | Kobaz | dlynes: i didn't either, but i got back into freebsd on version 7, and it's come a long way |
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| 20:34.28 | jelly | ^_^joirene: still waiting for that dmesg |
| 20:34.29 | ^_^joirene | jelly: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 20:34.31 | Kobaz | i <3 zfs |
| 20:34.57 | dlynes | Kobaz, yeah, I would imagine so...any programs you've got would need to be recompiled for kfreebsd, and some linux programming paradigms wouldn't work on kfreebsd at all, I would imagine |
| 20:35.09 | dlynes | Kobaz, especially code that does ioctl's and what-not |
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| 20:35.54 | Kobaz | yeah rebuilding is definitly needed |
| 20:35.59 | ^_^joirene | jelly: ok |
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| 20:36.09 | dlynes | Kobaz, yeah...I've tried freebsd 5, 6 and 7...I'm too stubborn to learn the freebsd way of doing things...I have enough trouble with Solaris |
| 20:36.16 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 20:36.40 | jjovereats | I just got bashed by disrespectful people. I really hated it when they tried to kb me. |
| 20:37.06 | jjovereats | I'll be using Debian as of later this year. Date yet unknown. |
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| 20:37.54 | jelly | bashed in #bash? |
| 20:38.04 | jjovereats | no in #ubuntu-offtopic. |
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| 20:38.32 | jjovereats | Where is the freenode offtopic channel? |
| 20:38.39 | Kobaz | maybe it was too offtopic |
| 20:38.43 | jelly | jjovereats: #defocus |
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| 20:39.03 | topyli | heh |
| 20:39.06 | jjovereats | WUT? I want to know - how do the newcomers think about Debian? |
| 20:39.19 | jjovereats | More of t3h same. Over and out. |
| 20:39.24 | jack_lt | how do I update my system info for commands like locate? |
| 20:39.32 | tensorpudding | updatedb, i think |
| 20:39.48 | jelly | jjovereats: this channel is tech support only as well, btw. For polls and chat go to #debian-offtopic last you be bashed some more |
| 20:39.50 | tensorpudding | it updates the database locate uses |
| 20:40.05 | antiwire | -bash: /usr/bin/whoami: Input/output error |
| 20:40.07 | antiwire | :( |
| 20:40.09 | jjovereats | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. |
| 20:40.12 | topyli | jack_lt: use sudo with it, or be root |
| 20:40.15 | jack_lt | ok |
| 20:40.19 | antiwire | my sheeva plug diededed |
| 20:40.46 | dlynes | jack_lt, sudo updatedb |
| 20:40.47 | jelly | jjovereats: any newcomers that want to answer your poll are welcome to /join #debian-offtopic as well! |
| 20:41.06 | wols | antiwire: needs better cooling? |
| 20:41.27 | tensorpudding | shiva is the destroyer, maybe they should have gone with vishnu |
| 20:41.47 | antiwire | wols: nah, it's not a cooling issue. even my guruplug runs fine. I think the flash media failed |
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| 20:42.12 | antiwire | I have sheeva and guru and I suspect the fail on the sheeva is just the media |
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| 20:46.05 | ^_^joirene | jelly: you can view now |
| 20:46.45 | jelly | ^_^joirene: you need to show the link here. |
| 20:47.12 | ^_^joirene | http://paste.debian.net/120211 |
| 20:47.25 | jelly | righto |
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| 21:02.51 | f3xy | man I just upgraded wheezy and grub-pc just took away like an hour of my life |
| 21:03.28 | f3xy | I ended up fumbling around in the chroot couldn't even get vi to work so I echo the sid repo into the sources.list and installed grub from there |
| 21:03.31 | f3xy | thankfully that worked |
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| 21:22.38 | zleslie | Hi |
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| 21:22.48 | smhar | greetings |
| 21:23.36 | zleslie | Anyone around who knows something about reprepro |
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| 21:23.54 | zleslie | I'm having trouble getting it to talke to gpg-agent |
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| 21:24.10 | smhar | I have a strange problem. after installation of some -many- packages, I am now running all windows in gnome with frame!!. additionally, some programs just make the gnome panel disappear. |
| 21:24.34 | zleslie | In the options file, I remove ask-passpohrase, and it complains that it can't get the passphrase, but I have gpg agent running via keychain |
| 21:25.44 | jelly | f3xy: a single hour? That's less than average for a testing upgrade. |
| 21:25.55 | jelly | f3xy: lucky bastard |
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| 21:26.09 | _stefanos_ | Good evening everyone. guys, it's been the fourth day that have the issue with "error: fd0 read error" which returns me to grub. I have run rescue mode from DVD "grub-install /dev/sda", "update-grub" and still the same issue. I have even run "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and still the same issue. I don't want to reinstall my entire system :( what shall I do? |
| 21:26.57 | jhutchins_lt | _stefanos_: fd0 is a floppy drive error. Do you have a floppy in your BIOS boot sequence? |
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| 21:27.08 | _stefanos_ | yes |
| 21:27.10 | smhar | _stefanos_, what does fd0 has to do in grub? |
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| 21:27.19 | _stefanos_ | my BIOS has not changed at all |
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| 21:28.12 | _stefanos_ | after I run the updates this issue appeared. smhar, this issue exists for other users as well "http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=65102" |
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| 21:30.11 | _stefanos_ | jhutchins_lt, I don't know if updates done something to grub.cfg or somewhere inside grub templates or configuration files, but for sure my "grub.cfg" has a "--no-floppy" along commands. |
| 21:30.38 | smhar | _stefanos_, normally you can access the grub menu. if it is fast, you could press an arrow key or something to keep it on. then try to 'edit' the grub entry before booting the kernel |
| 21:30.46 | jon8 | how can i reset the packet numbers that are displayed in ifconfig? |
| 21:31.03 | _stefanos_ | smhar: I don't have menu; it takes me straight to grub prompt. |
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| 21:32.01 | Jef91 | How can I unmount and remove a swap partition on a running debian system? |
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| 21:32.50 | gnarface | Jef91: make sure its not in your fstab then run swapoff [device node] then you should pretty much be able to do whatever you want to it |
| 21:32.51 | grappr | test |
| 21:32.58 | grappr | when will deb7 release? what month? |
| 21:33.09 | smhar | _stefanos_, did you try to boot the kernel from the >grub prompt. giving it the proper location and stuff? |
| 21:33.16 | _stefanos_ | jef91: Google is your friend http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-to-unmount-actual-swap-and-mount-a-new-bigger-swap-space-190224/ |
| 21:33.49 | craigevil | !tell grappr about wir |
| 21:33.56 | grappr | IN WHAT MONTH AND IN WHAT YEAR WILL DEBIAN 7 RELEASE? |
| 21:34.12 | _stefanos_ | smhar, even though I never had the privilege how to do so, I printed my grub.cfg and tried to boot it but was complaining about my /dev "file not found" |
| 21:34.23 | _stefanos_ | obviously lvm2 was not loaded as insmod |
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| 21:34.46 | _stefanos_ | after I have done it, it would produce the same error |
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| 21:35.18 | _stefanos_ | i mean i printed the commands so i can enter them manually |
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| 21:36.00 | _stefanos_ | smhar, can you help me with commands? |
| 21:36.10 | Mikaze | Hello. Did all the "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0" and "alsamixer" controls to their max, and still can't get any sound out of my system after doing a full reinstall to squeeze from unstable. Any ideas why even "cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp" won't even work? |
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| 21:38.27 | smhar | I have a strange problem. after installation of some -many- packages, I am now running all windows in gnome with frame! |
| 21:39.13 | Gr33n3gg | I have a stramge problem too |
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| 21:39.53 | Gr33n3gg | ny m key and n key do the opposite sonetines |
| 21:40.36 | jelly | *disbelieve* |
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| 21:43.08 | Mikaze | growls, sets aside a 50g partition, and installs damned Ubuntu, getting pretty disgusted with Debian. |
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| 21:43.28 | Gr33n3gg | :\ |
| 21:43.58 | _stefanos_ | btw, is there a way to repair Debian without losing data from /home? |
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| 21:44.21 | gnarface | back it up first? |
| 21:44.35 | _stefanos_ | that is granted gnarface |
| 21:45.19 | smhar | _stefanos_, did you try what I told you? |
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| 21:45.57 | _stefanos_ | and i told you my story about and even asked for help buddy |
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| 21:47.08 | smhar | _stefanos_, did you try to boot the kernel from the >grub prompt. giving it the proper location and stuff? |
| 21:47.34 | _stefanos_ | I have tried, yes |
| 21:47.43 | _stefanos_ | but obviously I was doing something wrong |
| 21:47.47 | _stefanos_ | i never done that |
| 21:48.16 | _stefanos_ | do you think you can help me? |
| 21:48.50 | _stefanos_ | if you want I can copy you my grub.cfg to pastebin and guide me which parts to use to boot my system |
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| 21:49.37 | smhar | _stefanos_, I am no expert here, but you should give it the kernel image and the / |
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| 21:50.05 | _stefanos_ | smhar, i thought you would know...anw |
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| 21:50.09 | _stefanos_ | i will find the proper solution |
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| 21:51.15 | rutski | whoa |
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| 21:52.18 | rutski | is it really true that if /bin/foo already exists, but you do "dpkg -i foo.deb", and it wants to install its own /bin/foo, then it will clobber what's there? |
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| 21:59.45 | lichangjian | my sid gnome terminal 3.0.1 input is very slow,any help,tks |
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| 22:01.24 | jhutchins_lt | lichangjian: See /topic |
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| 22:02.48 | ninjai | I'm looking to download debian, but I'm so confused. Why are there like 15 CD images, and 7 DVD images? Do I need to download each of them? |
| 22:03.07 | ninjai | or are they all different download locations or torrents? |
| 22:04.40 | craigevil | ninjai, you only need all of the disks if you do not have internet access, only need cd/dvd 1 or netinstall cd to install |
| 22:04.41 | boudiccas | ninjai; just d/l 1 cd/dvd and install from that |
| 22:04.59 | ninjai | thanks |
| 22:05.39 | ninjai | does the latest stable come with gnome-shell? |
| 22:05.46 | jhutchins_lt | ninjai: There are more like 52 iso's. |
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| 22:05.58 | ninjai | :S |
| 22:06.06 | ninjai | ya |
| 22:06.09 | ninjai | thats the number |
| 22:06.09 | ninjai | lol |
| 22:06.34 | jhutchins_lt | ninjai: Unfortunately we don't have a clear way to say why the others are there, except that there are about 30,000 packages available. |
| 22:06.54 | babilen | ninjai: Please ask our friendly bot about <cd1> <netinstall> <firmware image> <installer firmware> <various cd1> and <ig> for example "/msg dpkg netinstall" -- That should give you a good overview. Do you have internet connection during the installation? Which desktop environment do you prefer? how do you connect to the network (if at all) ? |
| 22:06.58 | jhutchins_lt | ninjai: If you wanted access to all 30,000 packages off-line, you might need all of the iso's. |
| 22:07.14 | topyli | ninjai: no gnome-shell there |
| 22:07.15 | babilen | In that case it would make sense to get the DVDs :) |
| 22:07.16 | ninjai | I will have interenet |
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| 22:07.36 | ninjai | topyli, is it just gnome 3 without shell? |
| 22:07.42 | babilen | ninjai: Wonderful, how do you connect? |
| 22:07.50 | topyli | ninjai: no, it has gnome 2 |
| 22:07.54 | jhutchins_lt | ninjai: Netinstall would be the way to go then. You only download what you actually use. |
| 22:07.55 | ninjai | non-wirelessly :) |
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| 22:08.18 | ninjai | okay thanks! |
| 22:08.19 | babilen | ninjai: Even better -- yes get the netinstall (probably the firmware image if needed by your hardware) |
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| 22:08.52 | gnu_srs | Anybody knows if there is a more silent channel, similar to debian-devel@lists.debian.org |
| 22:09.12 | tonsofpcs | #debian-devel-lists-discussion |
| 22:09.23 | gnu_srs | thanks! |
| 22:09.58 | ninjai | doesn gnome shell require gnome 3? |
| 22:10.09 | babilen | gnu_srs: What kind of channel are you looking for? #debian on irc.debian.org is a *bit* more quiet, but general support channel for large distributions tend to be pretty busy at times. |
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| 22:12.24 | gnu_srs | I'm more interested in development, not user support questions. |
| 22:12.34 | RichiH | isn't there any way to mitigate ssh brute force without relying on iptables? i don't want sucessful connections to count against a host |
| 22:12.39 | RichiH | for obvious reasons |
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| 22:13.11 | babilen | gnu_srs: Development channels are over at irc.debian.org/irc.oftc.net -- See http://wiki.debian.org/IRC for a list |
| 22:14.26 | gnu_srs | Yes, having a lot of traffic in #debian is a good sign of the interest. Of course I'm a Debian user as well. |
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| 22:14.38 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 22:15.07 | daveo | how's the sugar levels twinks? |
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| 22:15.28 | twinkie_addict | low havnt had a twinkie in a wile |
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| 22:15.37 | twinkie_addict | :( |
| 22:16.07 | Delf1 | My box frooze and numlock started flashing. Whats going on? |
| 22:16.11 | Delf1 | froze* |
| 22:16.18 | RichiH | Delf1: kernel panic |
| 22:16.50 | twinkie_addict | gotta love kernel panics .... not |
| 22:16.53 | Delf1 | RichiH: Is there a log I can see? |
| 22:17.03 | gnu_srs | babilen: Thanks for the link, I'll take a look later on. |
| 22:17.29 | babilen | gnu_srs: you're welcome. I can recommend specific channels if you let me know what you are looking for exactly |
| 22:17.36 | RichiH | Delf1: unless you set it up specifically, most likely not, no |
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| 22:18.09 | Delf1 | Hmm.. How do I set it up? RichiH |
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| 22:20.26 | gnu_srs | Well, I'm trying to improve the status of GNU/Hurd in Debian. I saw recently a statement that #debian is only GNU/Linux |
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| 22:21.24 | gnu_srs | It is not: It is also kfreebsd and hurd. |
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| 22:22.47 | jelly-hme | gnu_srs: arch-specific issues will be quickly routed to channels where more help cn be found |
| 22:22.53 | jelly-hme | can* |
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| 22:23.54 | jelly-hme | an amd64-only or i386-only issue might be solved here because there are many more people acquainted with those |
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| 22:24.02 | gnu_srs | yes, linux is mainstream now, but why not contribute to make kfreebsd and Hurd too? |
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| 22:25.04 | gnu_srs | jelly-hme: Which channels? I'm new to IRC. |
| 22:25.11 | jelly-hme | !kfreebsd |
| 22:25.11 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:25.17 | jelly-hme | !hurd |
| 22:25.17 | dpkg | GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ #hurd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian GNU/Hurd port (not officially released), see http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:25.22 | jelly-hme | ^^ those two |
| 22:27.01 | jelly-hme | gnu_srs: note they're both on a different irc network to this one -- irc.oftc.net (the same as irc.debian.org) |
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| 22:27.08 | twinkie_addict | i just killed my need for flash lol moc with mp3 downloads from jupiterbraodcasting |
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| 22:28.14 | twinkie_addict | is now cli only lol |
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| 22:29.00 | _stefanos_ | it's a very weird bug...I have disabled floppy drive, removed "--no-floppy" from grub.cfg and still takes me to grub prompt. |
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| 22:29.58 | twinkie_addict | odd |
| 22:30.01 | flu- | What is the preferred way to add references to the rc#.d directories? |
| 22:31.55 | gnu_srs | I think the jelly-hme posts summarizes the situation perfectly: We still have a long way to go, but GNU/Hurd is still a supported OS for Debian. |
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| 22:32.25 | streuner | sure, but Linux supports more... |
| 22:32.42 | flu- | I've been told to use update-rc.d, then I've been told that is meant for use by package managers, and runit is completely foreign to me |
| 22:32.45 | streuner | more hardware |
| 22:33.03 | streuner | dpkg, listvals update-rc.d |
| 22:33.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'update-rc.d' by value (15): run at startup ;; debian way ;; rc.d ;; bum ;; sysv-rc ;; init.d ;; rc.l ;; rc2.d ;; rcconf ;; custom startup script ;; services ;; sysv-rc-conf ;; update-rc.d ;; runlevel ;; chkconfig. |
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| 22:33.35 | gnu_srs | If you want a link to the latest ftp masters meeting, please let me know. |
| 22:33.36 | jelly-hme | gnu_srs: as the factoid above said, quoting, "not officially released" |
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| 22:34.29 | streuner | flu-: check out the factoids above, there is surely a solution for you |
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| 22:35.25 | streuner | flu-: why do you need to add anohter runlevel at all? |
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| 22:35.50 | flu- | streuner: Not another runlevel, I just have a service in /etc/init.d/ that I want to run with the multiuser runlevels |
| 22:36.11 | flu- | streuner: I have always made the links manually, but rumor has it that there is a better way these days:) |
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| 22:38.12 | streuner | flu-: not sure if that helps, but /msg dpkg services |
| 22:38.13 | jelly-hme | flu-: you're hereby allowed to continue making them manually as long as you know what you're doing (and have not migrated to parallel init script running) |
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| 22:45.58 | gnu_srs | jelly-hme: Yes you are right GNU/Hurd is not yet in release status. we are working hard to get there. |
| 22:46.14 | philipballew | will a cli only copy of squeeze run on 256 ram? |
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| 22:46.56 | rutski | say I build package "foo" on my own, when it already exists in squeeze |
| 22:47.12 | rutski | is there a way to make sure that the my version will always be considered the newest by update tools |
| 22:47.17 | rutski | so that it doesn't get clobbered? |
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| 22:48.24 | gnu_srs | jelly-hme: But we are fully committed to be in the next release: wheezy. that is for sure. |
| 22:50.54 | valdyn | rutski: no, but you can get reasonable certainty by using a high epoch |
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| 22:51.04 | rutski | epoch? |
| 22:51.24 | valdyn | rutski: 9:1.0 |
| 22:51.30 | valdyn | rutski: 9 is the epoch |
| 22:51.37 | rutski | and what is 9:1.0? |
| 22:51.41 | rutski | the version number? |
| 22:51.59 | rutski | so if the upstream sources are foo-14.3.tar.gz |
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| 22:52.06 | rutski | then I'd use 9:14.3.tar.gz? |
| 22:52.15 | rutski | I mean, 9:14.3, as the version number |
| 22:52.23 | rutski | (dunno why I typed that .tar.gz the second time) |
| 22:52.41 | valdyn | rutski: yes |
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| 22:53.15 | rutski | interesting |
| 22:53.19 | _stefanos_ | you should avoid using colons for users that tend to use external drives (USB devices and such) of type FAT32, and NTFS |
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| 22:53.33 | valdyn | _stefanos_: umm? |
| 22:53.38 | _stefanos_ | Microsoft prohibits such usage |
| 22:53.43 | rutski | so basically all I have to do is edit the debian/control file |
| 22:53.55 | valdyn | _stefanos_: that colon does not show up in filenames |
| 22:54.17 | _stefanos_ | it won't be part of naming of archive? |
| 22:54.30 | _stefanos_ | 1:0.0.tar.gz? |
| 22:54.43 | valdyn | _stefanos_: were talking about debian packages |
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| 22:55.00 | valdyn | streuner: kdelibs-bin_4%3a4.6.3-3_amd64.deb |
| 22:55.04 | valdyn | oops |
| 22:55.08 | valdyn | _stefanos_: ^^ |
| 22:55.15 | valdyn | _stefanos_: there its a percentage sign |
| 22:55.25 | _stefanos_ | and as i said, new users that don't have much of experience, they will surely download a package like that for backup let's say |
| 22:55.45 | _stefanos_ | percentage is ok |
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| 22:55.51 | _stefanos_ | as far as i know |
| 22:56.09 | valdyn | _stefanos_: i guess it is, debian has been doing that for a decade ( or more ) |
| 22:56.19 | benji0987 | stupid question : is it possible to use a user login that contains a space ? |
| 22:56.24 | _stefanos_ | and Windows use the percentage |
| 22:56.51 | _stefanos_ | of course i don't care about Microsoft man, but I do care about users |
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| 22:57.59 | valdyn | !epoch |
| 22:57.59 | dpkg | [epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>. |
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| 22:58.13 | valdyn | !version epoch |
| 22:58.13 | dpkg | The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision> |
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| 22:58.48 | _stefanos_ | cool, i didn't know about that |
| 22:58.51 | _stefanos_ | thanks for sharing that |
| 22:59.56 | f3xy | _stefanos_: are you running stable? |
| 23:00.37 | f3xy | and if /home it's own partition you just don't format /home or mess with it's partition and you will be fine |
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| 23:01.39 | _stefanos_ | f3xy: wheezy |
| 23:01.52 | _stefanos_ | lvm2 |
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| 23:02.37 | f3xy | I just upgraded and grub2 was throwing some undefined symbol errors |
| 23:02.44 | f3xy | I ended up installing grub2 from sid |
| 23:02.46 | _stefanos_ | :D I am not alone! |
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| 23:03.03 | _stefanos_ | it's been the fourth day today with this stupid error message |
| 23:03.07 | kingsley | Which open/common compression format can Aladdin's "unstuffit" decompress? zip? gzip? |
| 23:03.13 | f3xy | try upgrading grub to sid |
| 23:03.16 | _stefanos_ | error: fd0 read error |
| 23:03.20 | f3xy | there aren't any dependencies really |
| 23:03.45 | _stefanos_ | f3xy: you mean to add the sid repository and install it or to download the .deb file? |
| 23:03.48 | valdyn | i doubt this error is fixed by sid |
| 23:04.08 | f3xy | mine was |
| 23:04.08 | valdyn | or theres many ways how to get that bug still with the sid version |
| 23:04.11 | _stefanos_ | i disabled floppy and removed it from grub.cfg |
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| 23:04.29 | _stefanos_ | still though nothing is happening |
| 23:04.38 | valdyn | this symbol error happens when grub is upgraded but not reinstalled to the boot record |
| 23:04.38 | _stefanos_ | but it's a hell of a problem |
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| 23:04.45 | f3xy | I guess I could read the changelog for sid |
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| 23:07.51 | _stefanos_ | valdyn: you mean about MBR? |
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| 23:08.16 | valdyn | _stefanos_: its not just the mbr, but the mbr is where it starts |
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| 23:09.25 | _stefanos_ | i ran dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and it supposed to fix everything for me. |
| 23:09.37 | valdyn | _stefanos_: right, unless that gives an error |
| 23:09.41 | _stefanos_ | nope |
| 23:09.48 | _stefanos_ | everything was smooth and perfect |
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| 23:10.00 | _stefanos_ | that's why i was like...what the F... |
| 23:10.15 | valdyn | _stefanos_: then theres stil the possibility that you installed to the wrong disk if you have more than 1 |
| 23:10.25 | _stefanos_ | single disk buddy |
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| 23:13.04 | benji0987 | what is the proper way to programatically get the value of : /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout ? |
| 23:13.27 | benji0987 | is it possible to have some configuration where this file is installed somewhere else? |
| 23:13.44 | valdyn | benji0987: no |
| 23:13.45 | _stefanos_ | benji0987 what exactly do you want to do? |
| 23:13.58 | benji0987 | the TCP fin wait |
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| 23:14.06 | benji0987 | I have a program that needs that value |
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| 23:14.13 | benji0987 | can I go directly get it ? |
| 23:14.19 | benji0987 | from the hardcoded path ? |
| 23:14.28 | valdyn | benji0987: i wonder if libc6 doesnt provide a portable interface on top |
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| 23:15.31 | ZykoticK9 | benji0987, "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_fin_timeout" perhaps? |
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| 23:16.31 | benji0987 | ZykoticK9 : the question is : can I rely on that path |
| 23:16.35 | benji0987 | can I hardcode it |
| 23:16.41 | benji0987 | I guess I can |
| 23:16.46 | benji0987 | from what I understand |
| 23:16.50 | valdyn | benji0987: man 2 sysctl |
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| 23:18.00 | valdyn | benji0987: thats still not really portable i guess, but better than reading the proc file from code |
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| 23:18.40 | valdyn | benji0987: ...unless youre using a scripting language |
| 23:18.49 | benji0987 | I am using sh indeed |
| 23:19.02 | valdyn | benji0987: then jsut use /proc |
| 23:19.11 | benji0987 | ok |
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| 23:41.34 | bill1 | hello. this may be in the documentation. i coudn`t find it. I interrupted accidentally the download of packeges in the moving from deb5 to deb6. the manager started to installed them, but i hunged up, bc there were dependencies problems. Now i can`t log in. |
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| 23:45.45 | Corey | It's a good thing you've got a robust backup policy in place and can restore from backups though! A lot of people with insufficient experience and bad administrative habits would not be in such a good position. |
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| 23:51.07 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:52.20 | Gr33n3gg | http://i.imgur.com/B5Xsr.png |
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| 23:53.56 | charlvn | lol Gr33n3gg |
| 23:54.19 | charlvn | smooth |
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