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| 00:00.47 | sickgut | im trying to install nvidia drivers the 173xx-legacy ones with apt-get but im getting a message saying that the kernel sources for my kernel do not seem to be installed, skipping building the module |
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| 00:01.28 | abrotman | sickgut: did you install the linux-header package for your kernel ? |
| 00:01.30 | sickgut | what package do i need to install, whats the name of it? im using 2.6.32.-5-486 kernel |
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| 00:02.42 | sickgut | just installed just then |
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| 00:02.57 | sickgut | i installed linux-image and linux-source and a few others |
| 00:03.20 | sickgut | just not that one, ill test nvidia install now, thanks for your answer |
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| 00:05.51 | eekTheCat | Is portuguese from brazil and portugal really so different as to warrant two different irc channels? |
| 00:06.02 | eekTheCat | I guess that's way off topic of a question |
| 00:06.58 | abrotman | eekTheCat: for some reason, i thought they went the same place, but i could be wrong |
| 00:10.03 | eekTheCat | abrotman, that message you invoked from the bot said otherwise. :) Please use #debian-pt for help in portugues or #debian-br for help in portugues do brasil. |
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| 00:17.24 | abrotman | oh .. no idea .. crazy foreigners :) |
| 00:19.32 | dvs | ??? |
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| 00:23.15 | thiagoss | eekTheCat, A brazilian and a portuguese can usually talk to each other, but there are lots of differences in the languages |
| 00:23.42 | sauvin | Same as the diff between Yank and Brit. |
| 00:24.05 | centHOGG | you mean limey |
| 00:24.43 | sauvin | I mean sod-all of the kind, you bloomin' GIT! |
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| 01:02.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 01:03.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got a question.. I am moving my root partition to a logical volume on lvm2, and I am going to make a small physical partition for my /boot |
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| 02:21.18 | daniel-s | In the installer for wheezy, what is the device name for the cd rom drive likely to be |
| 02:22.50 | stew | daniel-s: /dev/cdrom |
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| 02:23.49 | daniel-s | Mounting failed: no such file or directory |
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| 02:24.21 | daniel-s | Is there a chance it's something else |
| 02:24.58 | wissem | daniel-s: run fdisk -l ? |
| 02:25.23 | jmarsden | daniel-s: /dev/sr0 . /dev/cdrom is usually a symlink to the real cdrom or dvdrom device on your system, I think... |
| 02:25.23 | wissem | and that might be /dev/cdrom0 |
| 02:26.24 | daniel-s | Sr0 worked |
| 02:27.47 | jmarsden | Here, ls -l /dev/cdr* shows me lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Jun 18 19:26 /dev/cdrom -> sr0 |
| 02:28.24 | jmarsden | But that is on a running system, so the symlink may not be set up in the installer. |
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| 02:33.48 | runciter | any xen users successfully pass multiple pci device ids to pci=resource_alignment via grub? |
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| 02:45.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok peeps i am copying my 9 gig root to the logical volume in lvm2, i got my boot copied over.. now i just need to know what else to do to grub2 to make it work.. |
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| 02:47.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh |
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| 02:53.39 | daniel-s | I think there's a problem with the wheezy installer |
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| 02:54.12 | daniel-s | When it asks to insert additional disks, the installer has issues |
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| 02:54.51 | casts | hey guys, so am i correct in believing there's no way to resize a mounted partition on x86 |
| 02:55.39 | casts | i recently had a case of being able to increase the size of sdb but unfortunately because i had put a partition table on there, i had to umount to increase the size of sdb1 |
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| 03:02.43 | Hoqus | casts: can you adjust the saddle height while riding your bike? yes, if you try hard. is it a good idea?... |
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| 03:06.20 | abrotman | uh what? |
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| 03:10.31 | casts | Hoqus: yes. and i do it every now and again. |
| 03:10.56 | casts | Hoqus: your analogy sucks though, as this isn't something that can be done |
| 03:11.54 | casts | at least, as far as i know :) |
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| 03:22.32 | Hoqus | casts: you're kinda right. but ... http://gravitydropper.com/ |
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| 03:23.47 | abrotman | Hoqus: do you have something Debian-related to talk about? |
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| 03:31.46 | Fudge | hi how can i change keyboard layout from uk to usa in console, i did it in gnome but hasnt reflected in cli |
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| 03:33.31 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 03:33.31 | dpkg | Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 03:35.03 | Fudge | well thank you |
| 03:36.09 | Hoqus | Fudge: i use setxkbmap us |
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| 03:41.15 | Hoqus | abrotman: so, is it good or supported practice in debian to resize mounted partitions? |
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| 03:43.52 | Fudge | tks |
| 03:44.00 | Fudge | thats a bit risky isnt it, whilst mounted |
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| 03:55.18 | wols | neither good nor supported |
| 03:55.28 | wols | at least not while mounted tw |
| 03:55.31 | wols | *rw |
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| 04:01.03 | noddingGeek | Duddde. |
| 04:01.24 | noddingGeek | just installed sqeeze (im from fedora) |
| 04:01.42 | noddingGeek | every package I try to aptitude install its like "hell no we don't have that." |
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| 04:02.00 | olol85 | k |
| 04:02.01 | abrotman | such as? |
| 04:02.11 | noddingGeek | wicd, synaptic, xchat, etc. |
| 04:02.27 | abrotman | sounds like your sources.list is broken |
| 04:02.57 | noddingGeek | When I do a apt-get update I see that all the sources are up to date... |
| 04:03.16 | abrotman | noddingGeek: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 04:03.25 | noddingGeek | k one sec. |
| 04:04.55 | noddingGeek | http://pastebin.com/5Zf7LZi7 |
| 04:05.30 | noddingGeek | Its probably something incredibly simple that I have missed. |
| 04:05.30 | wols | noddingGeek: you lack the main repository |
| 04:05.34 | abrotman | you have no main source .. try adding "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 04:05.37 | wols | !tell noddingGeek about squeeze sources.list |
| 04:06.01 | abrotman | noddingGeek: then "apt-get update;aptitude update' .. then install whatever you want |
| 04:06.19 | noddingGeek | orly? |
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| 04:07.30 | noddingGeek | Ah thanks guys. |
| 04:07.47 | noddingGeek | That does not get added during the installation? |
| 04:08.03 | abrotman | it does if you ahve working internet |
| 04:08.05 | wols | it only does if you have network access while installing |
| 04:08.13 | noddingGeek | Hehe |
| 04:08.36 | noddingGeek | Yeah it was an interesting installation :-| |
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| 04:42.52 | Novelocrat | I just noticed something a bit wonky on my Sid system. I opened gnome-terminal for the first time since booting today (with package upgrades recently, natch), and it had completely lost my preferences, and was using gtk widgets that don't match anything else on my desktop. Any ideas what's going on, or on which package I should be looking for / reporting the bug? |
| 04:45.32 | yagoo | !sid |
| 04:45.33 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; . Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 04:46.20 | KerrMD | I was here earlier and nuked my win7 partition. I did grub-install because my grub was on the default 100MB ntfs partition. I have since whiped it out and when I try to boot into my squeeze partition I get a black screen with the word grub. |
| 04:46.43 | wols | KerrMD: it never ever was on a ntfs partition. at least not debian grub |
| 04:46.59 | wols | !tell KerrMD about fixmbr |
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| 04:48.09 | KerrMD | wols: my boot partition was indeed on a 100MB partition since nuking that toasted my ability to get into debian and I thought fixmbr was simply a microsoft creation/abduction. |
| 04:48.52 | wols | KerrMD: was this 100MB partition your /boot in debian? |
| 04:48.57 | KerrMD | I had no chance to even /fixmbr given the fact that I had a black screen with the word 'grub' on it |
| 04:49.05 | KerrMD | wols: no |
| 04:49.22 | KerrMD | wols: I was mistaken in thinking it was |
| 04:49.24 | wols | then it wasn't where grub installed. and your insisting otherwises doesn't make it true |
| 04:49.32 | Novelocrat | yagoo: I'm well aware of this. I've been running unstable for ~7 years now. I'm looking for suggestions on how to figure out which package to run reportbug on, either to see that it's already been reported or to report it myself. For reference, I just checked gnome-terminal, gnome-themes (from 2.30) and gnome-themes-standard (from 3.0) and found nothing. I don't want to waste maintainers' time bouncing it around if someone else has seen |
| 04:49.35 | wols | KerrMD: read what dpkg messaged to you |
| 04:49.55 | Novelocrat | http://imgur.com/eSiy3 |
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| 04:51.23 | KerrMD | wols: I have no live debian disk. Would an <cringe> (k)ubuntu disk do? |
| 04:52.20 | KerrMD | live of course... that is how I am speaking to you in the first plafce |
| 04:52.23 | KerrMD | place |
| 04:52.45 | wols | KerrMD: yes it will work |
| 04:53.03 | KerrMD | Ok, than k you |
| 04:54.27 | KerrMD | I hate to say this but I do not quite understand what dpkg is saying. I am not familiar with the syntax completely. are the ; a line break |
| 04:54.29 | kbar | oh man i had some fun times with a broken mbr/grub |
| 04:54.29 | KerrMD | ? |
| 04:54.41 | kbar | !tell kbar about fixmbr |
| 04:54.56 | kbar | yes KerrMD |
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| 04:55.29 | kbar | make sure you replace /target/ with your device name |
| 04:55.44 | kbar | wait |
| 04:55.46 | wols | KerrMD: yes you can see it as a line break. ";" means to the shell first run the thing before ;, then run the thing after. it's a way to write several commands on a single line |
| 04:55.48 | kbar | dont quote me on this |
| 04:58.28 | KerrMD | let's see how this goes. =D |
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| 05:04.06 | KerrMD | oh, not sure if this is working as indended.. |
| 05:04.16 | KerrMD | .. |
| 05:04.31 | wols | !tell KerrMD about errors |
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| 05:04.48 | KerrMD | . |
| 05:05.00 | KerrMD | I do not think that that worked as inteded |
| 05:05.09 | KerrMD | .... |
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| 05:05.54 | KerrMD | hello? |
| 05:05.57 | KerrMD | ... |
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| 05:06.28 | macrobat | :D |
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| 05:12.17 | richardma | xfce4.8 shutdown and reboot buttons are disabled, any solution? |
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| 05:13.52 | Novelocrat | richardma: are you running under a display manager of some sort? What groups are you in (run 'id' to see) |
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| 05:14.19 | richardma | Novelocrat: uid=1000(richardma) gid=1000(richardma) groups=1000(richardma),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(bluetooth),111(netdev) |
| 05:16.53 | richardma | Novelocrat: I have tried to add /usr/lib/xfce4/session/xfsm-shutdown-helper to /etc/sudoer, but it doesn't work. |
| 05:17.01 | Novelocrat | hrm, interesting |
| 05:17.13 | Novelocrat | There's a group my user account is in, powerdev, that you're apparently not |
| 05:17.26 | Novelocrat | I don't know how that would arise, but it's quite suggestive |
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| 05:18.02 | richardma | Novelocrat: Thx, I'll add my user to powerdev group |
| 05:18.52 | Novelocrat | eh, wait on that |
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| 05:19.06 | Novelocrat | actually, I was messing up my grep command |
| 05:19.15 | Novelocrat | it's listed explicitly for me in /etc/group |
| 05:19.20 | Novelocrat | so you probably want to be in there too |
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| 05:31.06 | KerrMD | Well, I must be doing some thing wrong because I keep getting some stupid syntax messaging when I try to mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /location/to/mount/to |
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| 05:31.51 | KerrMD | as per the mount instructions given via bot |
| 05:32.02 | Novelocrat | KerrMD: what's the message? |
| 05:32.53 | KerrMD | quite simply mount syntax instructions. |
| 05:33.07 | KerrMD | The original problem is that I had a dual boot system |
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| 05:33.21 | macrobat | "quite simply mount syntax instructions." |
| 05:33.41 | Novelocrat | could you run 'cat /proc/partitions' and give us the output? |
| 05:34.07 | KerrMD | I nuked win7 and its partition as well as the 100MB partition on which my /boot apparently resided. Now when i boot, or try to boot to my debian partition I get a simple black screen with the word grub on it. |
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| 05:35.03 | macrobat | KerrMD: i suspect that is not a mere word, but is also a prompt |
| 05:35.39 | wols | KerrMD: does "/location/to/mount/to" actually exist? |
| 05:35.47 | KerrMD | http://pastebin.com/2CJHav7D |
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| 05:36.24 | KerrMD | macrobat: I know not of what you speak. |
| 05:36.35 | KerrMD | wols: give me a moment to check |
| 05:36.57 | wols | KerrMD: if you have to check, then it doesn't. " http://pastebin.com/2CJHav7D |
| 05:37.00 | macrobat | KerrMD: what version of grub? |
| 05:37.00 | KerrMD | it should. I am on a live cd |
| 05:37.03 | wols | doh. mispaste |
| 05:37.16 | KerrMD | macrobat: the version on the hdd is 2 |
| 05:37.22 | wols | KerrMD: no it should not. /mnt exists, /media exists, /location/to/mount/to exists pretty much nowhere |
| 05:37.53 | wols | KerrMD: it's there for you to use your actually existing directory, a placeholder, an example |
| 05:38.23 | KerrMD | wols: the point is that I cannot have an existing dir if I cannot access the HDD |
| 05:38.54 | wols | KerrMD: you are talking nonsense. you can only mount to an existing dir. pastebin the EXACT command you are giving |
| 05:39.00 | KerrMD | I was attempting the dir for reinstalling grub |
| 05:39.21 | macrobat | you can make a dir on the live system. it will be gone when you close the system down |
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| 05:39.56 | wols | KerrMD: pastebin the EXACT command you are entering to mount your debian installation |
| 05:40.05 | KerrMD | wols: which command? all I want to do is get my bloody drive bootable and I cannot since I cannot access the danged drive. All I get in this room is a bot telling me commands of which I Know nothing |
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| 05:40.26 | wols | KerrMD: you start with a "mount" command, what is it? |
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| 05:41.18 | KerrMD | wols: I do not know what to input since I cannot access the drive to create a dir on which to mount the partition |
| 05:41.23 | macrobat | the _EXACT_ here, is important. "mount" mounts the filesystem that lives on a device, onto a directory, so you can access the content of said filesystem |
| 05:41.39 | wols | KerrMD: ls -l / |
| 05:41.47 | KerrMD | the root partition in question is /dev/sda5 |
| 05:41.50 | wols | KerrMD: pastebin that |
| 05:42.07 | macrobat | i repeat: you can make a dir on the live system. it will be gone when you close the system down. it is there for you to access your stuff |
| 05:42.20 | macrobat | "mkdir" makes a dir |
| 05:42.34 | KerrMD | I made one and it is gone now... I have not yet closed the system |
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| 05:42.49 | KerrMD | I attempted a sudo mkdir /home/temp |
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| 05:43.37 | KerrMD | I then mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /home/temp |
| 05:43.40 | KerrMD | and nada |
| 05:44.13 | wols | KerrMD: "nada" is a very very shitty way to tell us what the error is.... |
| 05:44.20 | macrobat | you probably don't need the sudo |
| 05:44.30 | wols | macrobat: he does. he uses a ubuntu live cd |
| 05:44.37 | macrobat | oh, sry |
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| 05:44.51 | KerrMD | nada is a very apt way of telling you that I got exactly what I stated when I got into this room... nothing but a sytax correction screen |
| 05:44.58 | macrobat | :D |
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| 05:45.02 | KerrMD | syntax* |
| 05:45.26 | KerrMD | I did in fact require the sudo since it would not allow it whithout |
| 05:45.44 | wols | KerrMD: what ubuntu version is this CD? |
| 05:46.05 | wols | are you sure it works with ext4? are you sure your debian uses ext4? |
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| 05:46.20 | KerrMD | yes |
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| 05:46.34 | KerrMD | I believe it is natty |
| 05:46.46 | KerrMD | kubuntu to be exact |
| 05:46.49 | wols | uname -a will tell you more exactly. natty uses 2.6.38 |
| 05:47.12 | KerrMD | way ahead of you. that's how I found it it was natty |
| 05:47.13 | KerrMD | Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 05:47.24 | kbZ | umm so I'm using virtual box shared folders to get at my windows music collection in a linux vm, but I can't open the folder as anyone but root/sudo, how can I make it so rhythmbox can access that virtualbox shared folder |
| 05:47.44 | kbZ | w/o running rb as root |
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| 05:48.23 | wols | !tell kbZ about vfatrw |
| 05:48.34 | wols | kbZ: it should apply to the vbox filesystem too |
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| 05:49.50 | kbZ | wols, I'm able to access the folder as root, but there is nothing related to the folder in fstab |
| 05:50.06 | wols | kbZ: so how are you mounting it? |
| 05:50.25 | kbZ | VirtualBox automounted somehow |
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| 05:50.54 | wols | kbZ: not really |
| 05:51.07 | kbZ | pardon? |
| 05:51.19 | wols | it doesn't even do that in ubuntu, so it definitely won't do that in debian |
| 05:51.34 | kbZ | umm... well I didn't sleep mount it |
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| 05:52.02 | wols | kbZ: what does "mount" say about it? |
| 05:52.20 | kbZ | !albums on /media/sf_!albums type vboxsf (gid=1001,rw) |
| 05:53.03 | kbZ | it's listed in the mount output |
| 05:53.14 | wols | who has gid 1001? |
| 05:53.27 | kbZ | dustin, the current user |
| 05:53.33 | wols | maybe rb mounts it |
| 05:53.36 | kbZ | errrr |
| 05:53.48 | wols | what are the permissions of /media ? |
| 05:54.02 | kbZ | I don't know who gid 1001 is |
| 05:54.35 | kbZ | how would I check that? |
| 05:54.38 | wols | getent group 1001 and you will know |
| 05:54.57 | kbZ | vboxsf:x:1001: |
| 05:55.11 | kbZ | how would I check permissions on /media |
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| 05:55.21 | wols | ls -l /media |
| 05:55.25 | kbZ | I tried chmodding /media/albums to 555 |
| 05:55.35 | kbZ | but didn't solve my problem |
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| 05:55.58 | kbZ | spamsry |
| 05:55.59 | kbZ | dustin@lmde /media $ ls -l /media/ |
| 05:55.59 | kbZ | total 8 |
| 05:55.59 | kbZ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jun 18 17:29 cdrom -> cdrom0 |
| 05:55.59 | kbZ | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 23 2010 cdrom0 |
| 05:55.59 | kbZ | drwxrwx--- 1 root vboxsf 4096 Jun 6 04:48 sf_!albums |
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| 05:56.26 | kbZ | you get dat? |
| 05:56.52 | wols | yes I did. add your user to group vboxsf and it will work. not ideal imho but a workaround |
| 05:57.12 | kbZ | how might I do that? |
| 05:57.18 | KerrMD | ok, I can. apparently get the partition mounted to /home/temp but I cannot 'mount /dev/sda5/dev' I get a "can't find /dev/sda5/dev in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab' error |
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| 05:57.48 | KerrMD | .. |
| 05:58.00 | kbZ | lol |
| 05:58.07 | kbZ | ragequit.. |
| 05:58.29 | kbZ | wols, how do I add user to gid 1001 ? |
| 05:58.51 | macrobat | kbZ: gpasswd -a user group |
| 05:59.04 | wols | adduser user group |
| 05:59.11 | macrobat | or that |
| 05:59.44 | kbZ | user added succ. |
| 05:59.46 | kbZ | but |
| 05:59.52 | kbZ | still unable to access the folder |
| 06:00.19 | wols | kbZ: you need to log out and log back in again for it to work. always thus with groups |
| 06:00.35 | kbZ | kk... this should have been GUI'd years ago... |
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| 06:01.00 | wols | you are mistaken |
| 06:01.08 | macrobat | nah, but it would be nice if you could hot-add groups |
| 06:01.20 | kbZ | wols, pardon? |
| 06:01.40 | wols | nothing to pardon. you are mistaken |
| 06:01.45 | kbZ | whys that? |
| 06:02.05 | wols | cause very few installations have a GUI |
| 06:02.25 | kbZ | That's not what I said |
| 06:02.33 | kbZ | I said, they should have created a GUI for this sort of thing |
| 06:02.44 | kbZ | so I wouldn't be in here bothing the great Nix Beardians |
| 06:02.49 | kbZ | bothering* |
| 06:02.49 | wols | they probably have |
| 06:03.15 | kbZ | Let me clarify my statement |
| 06:03.15 | wols | I have no beard. I'm just too lazy to shave |
| 06:03.41 | kbZ | :Linux Mint Debian Edition with Gnome should've GUI'd this process by now" ** |
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| 06:04.04 | wols | kbZ: you using mint? |
| 06:04.07 | kbZ | 2011 now.. it's da future.. no need for common tasks to be cmdline |
| 06:04.21 | kbZ | wols, indeed |
| 06:04.44 | kbZ | more familiar with centos |
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| 06:04.54 | kbZ | but, LMDE is a nice intro into the apt world |
| 06:05.13 | macrobat | is there a mint channel? |
| 06:05.19 | kbZ | and the package is pretty well matured, much more so than Debian's vanilla installs |
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| 06:05.27 | wols | !mint |
| 06:05.27 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 06:05.31 | kbZ | bloat of course, but still |
| 06:05.38 | kbZ | !yawn |
| 06:05.38 | dpkg | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
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| 06:06.56 | pAt_ | kbZ: there is a lmde channel on irc.spotchat.org #linuxmint-debian |
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| 06:07.33 | kbZ | but ya'll are way more fun |
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| 06:07.59 | dudz_ | pretending to be american ay kbZ ;P |
| 06:08.05 | dudz_ | thats nothign to be proud of |
| 06:08.23 | kbZ | dudz_, check the tracert |
| 06:09.26 | dudz_ | pretending/being nothing to be proud of when it comes to that word america which is the easiest way to insult someone just by mentioning that one word explains alot. |
| 06:09.43 | kbZ | 0.o |
| 06:09.49 | kbZ | what are you rambling about now? |
| 06:09.51 | wols | dudz_: do you have a debian related question? |
| 06:10.07 | kbZ | wols, tyvm for the assistance |
| 06:10.26 | dudz_ | lol |
| 06:10.32 | kbZ | dudz_, is there a best country in the world? |
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| 06:10.49 | dudz_ | no, there is no such thing as that |
| 06:11.21 | kbZ | well, what countries are better than the USA and why? |
| 06:11.24 | kbZ | 1500 words or less |
| 06:11.30 | kbZ | double spaced, etcetc |
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| 06:12.40 | dudz_ | america is just a place where faggots can feel normal |
| 06:12.41 | wols | kbZ: do _you_ have a debian related question? |
| 06:12.48 | wols | dudz_: please stop it |
| 06:13.02 | kbZ | dudz_, lol uMad brah? |
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| 06:13.16 | dudz_ | always |
| 06:13.25 | kbZ | I'm interested in where you're from |
| 06:13.32 | dudz_ | i don't have a gf so this is just what i do |
| 06:13.37 | kbZ | .au |
| 06:14.26 | kbZ | Austrialia... hmmm, never done anything important ever. I honestly doubt if anyone who miss that country. |
| 06:14.41 | kbZ | Australia, rather |
| 06:15.56 | dudz_ | important like fast food franchises? |
| 06:16.30 | kbZ | No, like the Internet |
| 06:16.32 | kbZ | Duh. |
| 06:16.43 | dudz_ | never heard of it |
| 06:16.49 | kbZ | Cool story bro |
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| 06:17.01 | dudz_ | shouldn't you light one up ? |
| 06:17.37 | kbZ | ? |
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| 06:21.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | well so far peeps I havent been able to get it to boot no matter what i do sigh |
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| 06:22.44 | dudz_ | what are you trying to do Eryn_1983_FL ? |
| 06:23.30 | dudz_ | *press up a few times to where you described your problem |
| 06:23.53 | wols | dudz_: "/lastlog Eryn_1983_FL" ;) |
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| 06:24.53 | dudz_ | that just told me what i typed |
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| 06:36.51 | macrobat | Eryn_1983_FL: what is your grub.cfg? |
| 06:37.32 | macrobat | how far do you get in the boot process? |
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| 06:40.51 | macrobat | shouldn't you use the LV UUID instead of the PV one? (maybe they are the same, idk) |
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| 06:47.47 | macrobat | and you know that fi you use a boot partition, the path to the kernel and initrd isn't like "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.blabla", but like "vmlinuz-2.6.blabla"? |
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| 06:56.10 | rypervenche | ,versions rpm |
| 06:56.10 | judd | Package rpm on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.3-1; squeeze: 4.8.1-6; wheezy: 4.9.0-5; sid: 4.9.0-6 |
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| 06:58.53 | daniel-s | I have a problem with the wheezy installer |
| 06:59.43 | daniel-s | When it comes time to give it additional discs, before selecting and installing software, the installer kinda dies |
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| 07:00.27 | daniel-s | Whether you give it discs to scan, it just skips everything, goes to install grub and dies |
| 07:01.07 | daniel-s | Anyone know if this is a known issue with the wheezy installer? |
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| 07:04.20 | macrobat | typically, i install with the stable installer and then upgrade if i intend to. |
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| 07:05.08 | pishguy | hi all. in this script: gksu,gksudo,xterm dose'nt work correctly:http://paste.debian.net/120313/ |
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| 07:06.09 | macrobat | daniel-s: why additional discs? why install from discs (that ages fast) if you are going to run testing? |
| 07:10.14 | pishguy | hi all. in this script: gksu,gksudo,xterm dose'nt work correctly:http://paste.debian.net/120313/ |
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| 07:10.46 | macrobat | pishguy: maybe you can try those commands directly in the shell. |
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| 07:14.20 | Arrowmaster | seems to be using an odd combination of gksu, gksudo, and sudo |
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| 07:16.33 | Arrowmaster | also i see various errors in it, i wouldnt use that script |
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| 07:23.57 | oldirty | Hey guys, I've got a software RAID 1 that I just had to replace a drive in. There are three reiser partitions on the 'good' drive, one for /, one for /var and one for /home. The / and /var partitions resynced fine, but the /home partition on the 'good' drive has a bad block that's keeping the rebuild from completing successfully, any ideas other than a rebuild tree? |
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| 07:27.25 | valdyn | oldirty: how would a rebuild tree fix the bad block on disk? |
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| 07:31.45 | pishguy | macrobat: maybe. how to split them? |
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| 07:34.20 | macrobat | i mean, debug your script. try things like "gksu cp /opt/restricted-drivers/bcmwl*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives" in the shell and see if it works, set the variables first |
| 07:35.21 | macrobat | you could ask in #bash about bash syntax and bash best practises |
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| 07:36.43 | cheasee | hi |
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| 07:37.30 | macrobat | welcome to #debian |
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| 07:38.39 | cheasee | ive got a problem with ml-ppp, running first instance of pppd is no problem (creating bundle ppp0), running second instance (attaching to bundle ppp0) works too but then the whole connection "lags". im pinging google with 40-50ms but the answers come 20seconds later :D |
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| 07:40.11 | cheasee | what could that be? these "lags" are only when i attach the second link |
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| 07:42.35 | oldirty | valdyn: it would mark the block as bad so the rebuild could complete without hanging on the bad block again. |
| 07:42.48 | shalok | Is there some application that comes with gnome that clobber's the 'automatically installed' flag? |
| 07:42.50 | cattlefraud | hi folks. See if you can figure this one out.... I have a Dell E1505 Laptop. The repair shop said the motherboard was bad. It will get past the bios screen and then freeze using a windows os. Ubuntu and Knoppix will freeze shortly after the boot command is specified. However, it can run PartedMagic OS just fine!!! What is not present in PartedMagic that makes all the other distros freeze??? |
| 07:43.02 | oldirty | the second drive will need to be replaced regardless, I just can't afford to lose /home. |
| 07:43.40 | valdyn | oldirty: that would only work if the data off that bad block could be recovered |
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| 07:44.27 | oldirty | valdyn: It's reiser, one block isn't going to kill me :p |
| 07:44.48 | valdyn | oldirty: if that block isnt metadata, just overwrite it manually |
| 07:44.59 | Arrowmaster | oldirty: is that ment to be a joke? |
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| 07:47.00 | valdyn | oldirty: or you can find out if that block has any interesting data at all by reading the whole fs |
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| 07:50.04 | macrobat | cattlefraud: is it on a cd? try ##hardware |
| 07:50.56 | cattlefraud | macrobat: Yeah, I've been booting up live distros. is ##hardware a linux channel, or just anything hardware?? |
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| 07:53.57 | macrobat | anything hardware |
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| 07:57.50 | brainless | hey guys, how are you doing? |
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| 07:58.04 | brainless | how can I configure the dash? |
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| 08:00.38 | brainless | anybody knows something about "dash"? |
| 08:01.00 | shalok | Is there any way to set the automark on every installed package? (don't ask why I want to do this or warn about the consequences) |
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| 08:02.24 | shalok | I tried 'aptitude automark '~i' which marked everything for deletion (I don't care), but it didn't actually set the automark flag... |
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| 08:04.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | brainless: care to ask your actual question? |
| 08:04.56 | brainless | the dash |
| 08:05.03 | brainless | how to configure |
| 08:05.15 | brainless | prompot and other tricks |
| 08:05.21 | brainless | prompt* |
| 08:05.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | you are using dash as a user shell? |
| 08:05.51 | brainless | trying |
| 08:06.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | brainless: the man page says it reads .profile |
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| 08:06.32 | brainless | i know about man |
| 08:06.49 | brainless | it's most faster shell |
| 08:07.04 | brainless | i want to use it |
| 08:07.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, and? |
| 08:07.40 | brainless | nothing |
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| 08:11.13 | Arrowmaster | its configured the same was as sh |
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| 08:14.29 | macrobat | brainless :D |
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| 08:21.54 | rypervenche | What is the difference between changing my locale with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" and changing my language in GDM. The outcome seems to be the same, but what is or is not changed with one or the other? |
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| 08:23.29 | nkuttler | rypervenche: dpkg-reconfigure is system-wide, i'd guess gdm is not |
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| 08:24.22 | valdyn | rypervenche: dpkg-reconfigure generates the selected locale databases |
| 08:25.04 | valdyn | rypervenche: while gdm only selects one that has to be generated in advance |
| 08:25.28 | rypervenche | Ah, that would do it. I'll continue using that then. I've only had this happen with GDM. |
| 08:25.56 | valdyn | rypervenche: you can just install locales-all though, the disk space needed is hardly ever relevant nowadays |
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| 08:26.54 | rypervenche | That's ok. I only use 3 different locales. I prefer it that way. Not like Ubuntu did :/ |
| 08:28.07 | chomwitt_ | in squeeze+kde i enabled WPA and now net is extremmely slow , although monitoring wpa_supplicant i dont see any activity! |
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| 08:30.35 | rypervenche | Also, I would rather use a different display manager or none at all if possible. However, I have always had problems with both shutdown/reboot as well as plugging in USB drives and external HDDs. Any idea where I could find what GDM starts so I might be able to fix this problem I have when using other DMs? |
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| 08:39.15 | shalok | rypervenche, try reconfiguring one of the window managers, it lets you choose |
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| 08:39.45 | shalok | or if that doesn't work may you can configure alternatives I dunno |
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| 08:41.26 | rypervenche | I guess I'll have to look at the specific DM to fix it. |
| 08:44.03 | shalok | Oh I reread your question. Let me get this straight: When you use a WM usb works and when you don't it doesn't, so you want to know which of the apps started by the WM is enabling usb? |
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| 08:47.34 | rypervenche | shalok: When I use GDM everything works fine. I tried switching to slim and even removing both (which I would prefer to do), however someone told me that things would not work properly just booting from the tty (using startx). And I was never able to get slim to work, even trying ck_launcher and some other thing that was necessary in xinit for the things to work that I was haivng problems with. |
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| 09:04.55 | karrot2 | is there some way for me to make it so when I autologin after booting, I'm not asked for a password for my keychain to access my wifi router? |
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| 09:14.04 | caraconan | Good morning. I'm unable to install gscan2pdf neither in squeeze nor in wheezy. Any trick to get it working? |
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| 09:15.16 | nkuttler | !tell caraconan about errors |
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| 09:16.32 | caraconan | Just 1 sec |
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| 09:17.51 | caraconan | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 09:18.35 | sauvin | What does this "but it is not going to be installed" thing really mean? |
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| 09:19.10 | caraconan | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 09:19.26 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 09:20.14 | Corey | caraconan: Use a bloody pastebin. |
| 09:20.22 | caraconan | Sorry |
| 09:20.24 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/i5SG8mYG |
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| 09:22.36 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/hAwBPPVn |
| 09:22.55 | blackshirt | i have problem with my debian..why my sistem freeze when i use intel driver ?? for now, we use vesa |
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| 09:25.33 | avernos | is there any server tool for dinamic ip settings |
| 09:25.55 | blomqvist | avernos, what do you mean? dhcpd? |
| 09:26.25 | caraconan | <avernos> maybe dyndns |
| 09:26.42 | avernos | i have dynamic IP adress.. so i want to find out a way to locate the server ip when it changes |
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| 09:27.19 | blomqvist | avernos, as caraconan said, use dyndns like service, there're dyndns clients available in repo, not sure though. |
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| 09:27.21 | caraconan | ddclient |
| 09:27.36 | avernos | :D |
| 09:27.43 | caraconan | http://wiki.legido.com/doku.php?id=informatica:linux:ddclient&s=dyndns -> in spanish, but easy to understand |
| 09:27.50 | avernos | ddclient, interesting |
| 09:28.07 | avernos | im spanish... no biggy |
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| 09:29.40 | caraconan | Perfecto! |
| 09:29.49 | avernos | lol |
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| 09:35.07 | iceroot | hi |
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| 09:35.37 | iceroot | are there any infos which debian-stable-release will NOT use gnome2 anymore? |
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| 09:40.28 | valdyn | judd: versions gedit |
| 09:40.29 | judd | Package gedit on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.22.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 2.30.4-1squeeze1; sid: 2.30.4-2; wheezy: 2.30.4-2; experimental: 3.0.0-1 |
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| 09:51.25 | Black_Prince | iceroot: stable won't change ... just security updates are added. Maybe Debian 7 won't use gnome2. Current stable is Debian 6 |
| 09:52.29 | treebeen | Black_Prince: debian 7? in the year 2525... |
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| 09:52.49 | iceroot | Black_Prince: so there should be gnome3 in testing? else testing will be debian 7 sometimes |
| 09:52.51 | Black_Prince | In 2013 maybe ... |
| 09:53.05 | Black_Prince | iceroot, gnome 3 is currently in experimental, not even sid |
| 09:53.14 | Black_Prince | I guess it will hit testing for about 7-8 months |
| 09:53.31 | sickgut | jwm ftw |
| 09:54.05 | iceroot | Black_Prince: ok thank you. sounds like debian is a good choose if i want gnome2 instead of gnome3/unity |
| 09:54.52 | sickgut | bling WMs and DMs represent what is wrong with the world |
| 09:55.32 | iceroot | sickgut: correct. and i love gnome2 |
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| 09:55.43 | iceroot | other way would be lxde/xfce4 |
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| 09:56.18 | npoektop | i want to make /usr and /home to share partiton. I moved /home/* to /usr/home/. Now i need to create a link from /home to /usr/home. Which is better for this: soft or hardlink? |
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| 09:57.03 | nkuttler | npoektop: i'd probably use a mount bind |
| 09:57.04 | sickgut | jwm + roxfiler ftw |
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| 09:59.27 | iceroot | thank you all for the informations. then i will test Squeeze now |
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| 10:00.09 | npoektop | nkuttler: it makes sence |
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| 10:25.17 | McManiaC | hey guys, I have a lot of flashing/flickering going on in my fullscreen apps (especially flash, totem browser plugin etc) |
| 10:25.48 | McManiaC | I'm using the latest non-free nvidia driver on debian testing with KDE as DE |
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| 10:26.09 | McManiaC | I tried to turn off the 3D effects of KDE, but that didnt help |
| 10:26.13 | McManiaC | any ideas? |
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| 10:33.53 | dawud | McManiaC: as soon as I switched to nouveau, I stopped having problems. I don't need 3d, YMMV |
| 10:35.44 | McManiaC | meh |
| 10:35.48 | McManiaC | I like them |
| 10:35.53 | McManiaC | but I'll give it a try |
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| 10:38.37 | niklaswe | why doesn't it exist any package for xbmc in debian repo? |
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| 10:39.18 | jack_lt | does Debian has a release schedule? |
| 10:39.23 | nkuttler | !tell niklaswe about non-free |
| 10:39.29 | Lasers | !xbmc | niklaswe |
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| 10:39.31 | jack_lt | once in the two years or something? |
| 10:40.13 | nkuttler | jack_lt: no |
| 10:40.21 | Lasers | When it is ready, it is ready. |
| 10:40.22 | nkuttler | heh, right, not even in non-free.. |
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| 10:42.10 | McManiaC | dawud: I only have to change "nvidia" in the driver section of my xorg.conf to "nouveau"? |
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| 10:42.46 | jack_lt | will the next release ship gnome3? |
| 10:42.58 | MrFrood | !gnome3 |
| 10:42.58 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 10:44.31 | MrFrood | jack_lt: also read http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/16/installing-gnome-3-on-debian-6-0-squeeze-no-sorry/ |
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| 10:45.12 | jack_lt | is gnome3 better then unity? |
| 10:45.19 | jack_lt | gnomeshell |
| 10:45.35 | MrFrood | horses for courses |
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| 10:46.06 | dawud | McManiaC: if you use one, I guess yes. I let the system autodetect it. I moved xorg.conf to xorg.conf .bk a while back. |
| 10:47.21 | dawud | McManiaC: you'll need to remove the non-free module and install the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. |
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| 10:55.40 | wolfric | Where abouts is it configured so that passwd run as root doesn't require you to enter the users password first? |
| 10:55.43 | wolfric | i'm looking through the pam common-password and i don't see anything that looks like it'd do that |
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| 10:59.36 | McManiaC | dawud: nouveau doesnt seem to recognize my screen/solution properly |
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| 11:01.27 | McManiaC | http://paste.xinu.at/rwGK0/ the top is pretty messed up and the screen is moved to the right as you can see by that menu |
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| 11:06.34 | v1k1ng0 | hi |
| 11:06.43 | v1k1ng0 | someone works with network-manager? |
| 11:06.51 | v1k1ng0 | I'm having problems ... |
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| 11:07.16 | v1k1ng0 | network-manager-kde shows unmanaged both interfaces |
| 11:07.29 | v1k1ng0 | I have false in Networkmanager.conf |
| 11:07.47 | v1k1ng0 | and the interface is declared and configured in interfaces file |
| 11:07.51 | v1k1ng0 | what I do bad? |
| 11:08.12 | v1k1ng0 | have I to deconfigure interface in interfaces file? |
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| 11:08.18 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 11:08.29 | treebeen | v1k1ng0: you need to remove them from the interfaces file |
| 11:08.40 | lancelot_of | how to force kill a process?kill -9 PID_PROCESS doesn't work |
| 11:08.44 | treebeen | v1k1ng0: comment them out... |
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| 11:09.22 | treebeen | lancelot_of: well if that doesn't work you are out of luck I would say |
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| 11:10.03 | phako | hi, is there any way to install systemd on unstable currently? It seems to conflict with a too new udev? |
| 11:10.32 | lancelot_of | treebeen, i believe there's no "luck" concept in linux |
| 11:11.33 | treebeen | lancelot_of: no? i thought it's all more or less luck ;) |
| 11:12.39 | v1k1ng0 | treebeen: comment all except loopback interface? |
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| 11:13.23 | streuner__ | phako: did you read #630510? |
| 11:13.39 | phako | no |
| 11:13.48 | streuner__ | !dbugs 630510 |
| 11:13.53 | dpkg | #630510:I[systemd] systemd: uninstallable with udev (); Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:27:02 UTC [] |
| 11:14.02 | phako | I just read http://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
| 11:14.38 | JohGro | lancelot_of: Do you know the status of the process (running, sleeping, zombie, ...)? |
| 11:14.46 | phako | streuner: thanks |
| 11:15.05 | treebeen | v1k1ng0: everything that is defined in interfaces will not be managed by nm, so yes I would leave loopback in |
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| 11:16.59 | JohGro | lancelot_of: <http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5642/what-if-kill-9-doesnt-work> |
| 11:17.16 | v1k1ng0 | treebeen: ok, thx. Is it ok if I have managed=false in NetworkManager.conf? |
| 11:17.16 | lancelot_of | JohGro, thanks |
| 11:17.25 | lancelot_of | it's murdered |
| 11:17.27 | lancelot_of | :) |
| 11:17.49 | MarKsaitis | does debian sall netinstall 160 mb image offer to use LUKS at the begining? |
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| 11:24.25 | whos | Hello. Is there any way that NFS checks the hostname of a machine instead of it's IP address? I'm unable to mount a share because of this. |
| 11:24.59 | hetOrakel | wols: still there? I found that a gvfs mount is also a mount but not a real linux/unix mount. It is only accesiible and seen by the that created it (automagicly) |
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| 11:31.10 | MarKsaitis | does debian sall netinstall 160 mb image offer to use LUKS at the begining? |
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| 11:48.12 | svilayphiou | hi, i'm having many attacks on my webserv and it is eating all my cpu cycles... |
| 11:48.20 | svilayphiou | running debian 5 |
| 11:48.40 | rpmdeb | on rpm based distros the command rpm -qa --last displays the list of all recently installed RPMs |
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| 11:49.14 | rpmdeb | what is the exact equivalent in the debian world of the command rpm -qa --last ??? |
| 11:49.20 | abrotman | svilayphiou: generally, you call your provider |
| 11:49.27 | jordanm | svilayphiou: find the pattern and block it, start blocking IPs, or even better, block it upstream at the router |
| 11:49.41 | abrotman | rpmdeb: there really isn't AFAIK .. you would look in the logs |
| 11:49.51 | svilayphiou | how can I prevent this? I'm running httpd + nginx in the front with websites using django and mysql |
| 11:50.04 | svilayphiou | abrotman, so I just block the ip address? |
| 11:50.26 | svilayphiou | any log I should check to see what they are trying to achieve? |
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| 11:51.21 | jordanm | svilayphiou: ngrep, tcpdump, and your apache access logs should be helpful |
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| 11:52.30 | Bushmills | svilayphiou: check out apache2-mod-evasive |
| 11:53.26 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.28 | jordanm | Bushmills: interesting, had not seen that before |
| 11:53.31 | rpmdeb | abrotman, a debian guy showed me 9 years ago a one liner that did exactly what rpm -qa --last does but I have lost contact with that guy ages ago! |
| 11:54.00 | abrotman | rpmdeb: oh you know what .. hrm ... |
| 11:54.14 | Bushmills | jordanm: that's why we listen in to #debian, to pick up things we may have missed |
| 11:54.29 | abrotman | rpmdeb: grep-dctrl ? |
| 11:54.51 | abrotman | rpmdeb: you could also 'ls -ltr /usr/share/doc/" or so .. perhaps |
| 11:55.14 | abrotman | or maytbe ls -ltr /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.filelist or something like that |
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| 12:00.46 | rpmdeb | back in 30 min |
| 12:02.17 | ompaul | I soo needed that info ;-) |
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| 12:15.53 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. I have managed to boot on my system but manually. For some reason grub cannot read grub.cfg |
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| 12:16.01 | RedDemon1970 | hello |
| 12:16.07 | _stefanos_ | is there a way to fix it reading the path of grub.cfg |
| 12:16.08 | _stefanos_ | ? |
| 12:16.24 | ompaul | !grub |
| 12:16.25 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 12:16.48 | _stefanos_ | ompaul: I have done that a million times since Monday |
| 12:17.02 | RedDemon1970 | and where can somebody help me witch connecting and sharing files between windows 7 and ubuntu |
| 12:17.03 | _stefanos_ | I have ever purged it how many times and still the problem is there |
| 12:17.04 | ompaul | _stefanos_: so you have had this error week? |
| 12:17.11 | _stefanos_ | yes |
| 12:17.28 | _stefanos_ | it was returning an error about fd0 and disabled my floppy and still the issue remained |
| 12:17.32 | RedDemon1970 | and don't send me back to a full room |
| 12:17.43 | ompaul | !ubuntu |
| 12:17.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 12:18.08 | ompaul | RedDemon1970: go look at their wiki on samaba and that is me being really helpful |
| 12:18.16 | RedDemon1970 | that's the problems |
| 12:18.20 | _stefanos_ | samba |
| 12:18.21 | RedDemon1970 | samba is installed |
| 12:18.26 | ompaul | RedDemon1970: you are not getting help here ok |
| 12:18.27 | _stefanos_ | fix your configuration file |
| 12:18.39 | RedDemon1970 | i did i know the workgroup name |
| 12:18.51 | _stefanos_ | RedDemon1970: you buy a BMW and go to Mercedes to fix it?!!?!? |
| 12:18.54 | _stefanos_ | This is Debian man |
| 12:19.06 | _stefanos_ | we don't know what Ubuntu is doing to its files |
| 12:19.09 | RedDemon1970 | but when i type sudo /etc/inid.d/restart it stops |
| 12:19.13 | ompaul | _stefanos_: now back to your problem you have a cfg for grub which no doubt you have paste binned before now |
| 12:19.22 | ompaul | RedDemon1970: run debian and stop messing aorund |
| 12:19.27 | _stefanos_ | paste binned? |
| 12:19.37 | ompaul | you put your config in a pastebin |
| 12:19.41 | _stefanos_ | oh yes |
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| 12:19.56 | _stefanos_ | the file is the generated one from dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 12:20.08 | _stefanos_ | let me rephrase the issue |
| 12:20.17 | ompaul | what kind of drives have you got, how many o/ss on the machine what is the order of the them on disks |
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| 12:20.49 | _stefanos_ | On Monday I ran the updates and since I restarted it, it would delay for 15 seconds complaining about "error: fd0 read error" |
| 12:20.55 | _stefanos_ | and then take me to grub prompt |
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| 12:21.18 | _stefanos_ | after a thorough research I found out that grub is unable to read the grub.cfg location |
| 12:21.21 | ompaul | _stefanos_: can we do this in such a way as I do my own discovery of facts and I understand what is where |
| 12:21.23 | _stefanos_ | where shall i fix that? |
| 12:21.46 | ompaul | where is your grub.cfg |
| 12:22.07 | _stefanos_ | ompaul: just GNU/Linux Debian wheezy. /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 12:22.26 | ompaul | pastebin your version please |
| 12:22.40 | _stefanos_ | version? what version man? |
| 12:22.44 | MarKsaitis | Can I later completelly change LUKS system passphrase? |
| 12:22.47 | _stefanos_ | uname -r and such? |
| 12:22.53 | ompaul | _stefanos_: your version of grub.cfg |
| 12:23.03 | wols | _stefanos_: are you at your debian coputer right now? |
| 12:23.09 | _stefanos_ | yes |
| 12:23.14 | wols | ompaul: it has a version |
| 12:23.14 | treebeen | MarKsaitis: you have to add another and delete the former |
| 12:23.14 | _stefanos_ | on boot it says 1.99-6 |
| 12:23.49 | MarKsaitis | treebeen, can this be done while system is running live? |
| 12:23.54 | ompaul | wols: aye, I wanted the file layout for "wheezy" it's layout should be similar to mine :) |
| 12:24.24 | wols | that's not a "version" |
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| 12:24.35 | MarKsaitis | i am remotelly installing Debian now and that bastard wants to format and is formatting a huge disk now.... which will take a lot of hours...... in the graphical installation, is there a way to avoid this stupid step? Please help! |
| 12:24.40 | MarKsaitis | treebeen, ? |
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| 12:25.04 | sakal | hi, how can I get current value of APT::Cache-Limit ? |
| 12:25.04 | wols | MarKsaitis: why would it take hours? |
| 12:25.20 | MarKsaitis | wols, the disk is big and the install is formatting it all! |
| 12:25.40 | MarKsaitis | I only wanted a quick format, but nobody gace me to choose it |
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| 12:26.32 | wols | MarKsaitis: debian is not windows. there is no "format" or "quickformat". it simply writes filesystem structures, ,nothing more |
| 12:26.32 | MarKsaitis | I have a choice to cancel it |
| 12:27.04 | MarKsaitis | wols, well it says that it is formatting the disk.... it doesnt say its writing stufff. it is seriously formatting it |
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| 12:27.50 | MarKsaitis | It says erasing the disk |
| 12:27.51 | MarKsaitis | ;] |
| 12:27.56 | wols | MarKsaitis: what parameters did it give mke2fs? |
| 12:28.09 | MarKsaitis | dunno, im in graphical install |
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| 12:28.23 | MarKsaitis | Anyways I think I will just cancel that erasing the disk step |
| 12:28.32 | _stefanos_ | wols: have you help me a bit buddy about my issue because i'm curious about why grub cannot find grub.cfg's path |
| 12:28.42 | wols | MarKsaitis: even graphical install has a console |
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| 12:29.33 | wols | _stefanos_: anything fancy like LVM, RAID, encryption, etc? |
| 12:29.39 | _stefanos_ | LVM |
| 12:29.41 | wols | _stefanos_: see "fdisk -l" |
| 12:29.43 | wols | ah |
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| 12:30.16 | _stefanos_ | but that was not the problem before updates |
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| 12:30.26 | _stefanos_ | I ran the updates on Monday and end up with this issue |
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| 12:31.48 | smhar | _stefanos_, try to rename grub.cfg , then update-grub |
| 12:31.51 | romel | hi guys. does anybody know why it's impossible in wheezy to install fglrx-glx without uninstalling xorg? :) |
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| 12:32.21 | _stefanos_ | smhar: I have moved it to grub.cfg.old and run that command and generated that file somewhere else... |
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| 12:32.57 | _stefanos_ | in rescue mode I would attempt to mount /dev/sda1 and could not |
| 12:33.01 | _stefanos_ | it wouldn't permit me |
| 12:33.20 | _stefanos_ | but with a LiveCD i would be able to mount it and see that grub/ and locale/ were there |
| 12:33.28 | smhar | _stefanos_, did you try booting the kernel directly from grub> prompt as I suggested before? |
| 12:33.33 | _stefanos_ | plus in dm-0 I had a boot/ partition as well |
| 12:33.36 | _stefanos_ | yes |
| 12:33.44 | _stefanos_ | I am here now because of this |
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| 12:33.52 | _stefanos_ | I had to insmod all these modules |
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| 12:44.56 | rpmdeb | a debian guy showed me 9 years ago a one liner on debian that did exactly what rpm -qa --last does on rpm based distros but I lost contact with that guy ages ago! |
| 12:45.06 | rpmdeb | what is the exact equivalent in the debian world of the command rpm -qa --last ??? |
| 12:45.52 | rpmdeb | what is the exact equivalent in the debian or ubuntu world of the command rpm -qa --last ??? |
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| 12:49.15 | Black_Prince | No need to repeat yourself. What does that command do, anyways |
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| 12:50.28 | abrotman | Black_Prince: one would guess shows the last 10 or so packages installed |
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| 12:51.52 | abrotman | rpmdeb: ls -1tr /usr/share/doc/ | tail -10 |
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| 12:53.11 | Bushmills | rpmdeb: you're sure that that was really 9 years ago? |
| 12:53.17 | abrotman | you could leave the 1 out |
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| 12:53.24 | Black_Prince | ouch |
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| 12:54.41 | rpmdeb | abrotman, nearly nearly but that command does not show the program version and actual time of installation. Moreover, i have encountered debs that did not a doc directory |
| 12:54.54 | rpmdeb | abrotman, nearly nearly but that command does not show the program version and actual time of installation. Moreover, i have encountered debs that did not have a doc directory |
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| 12:56.39 | nkuttler | rpmdeb: you might get more answers by describing what that command does.. |
| 12:57.30 | rpmdeb | on rpm based distros the command rpm -qa --last displays the list of all recently installed RPMs |
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| 12:58.29 | rpmdeb | someone hast just given the best solution so far: grep -i installed /var/log/dpkg.log | grep -v half | tail -25 |
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| 12:58.58 | rpmdeb | Bushmills, 2002 was 9 years ago |
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| 13:02.29 | blackshirt | why when i use intel driver on my Intel Graphic card 82845G, my sistem goes to freeze randomly ?? |
| 13:02.34 | rpmdeb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:03.53 | shalok | Are there any MP3 players that support CUE's properly? |
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| 13:04.18 | shalok | I tried amarok, but it stops playback after each track, and xmms plays a blip sound between each track in the CUE. |
| 13:04.43 | shalok | Most other players I tried don't even pretend to support CUE's.... |
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| 13:06.07 | _stefanos_ | guys, something interesting on my system: when I am trying to fix grub from rescue mode, it mounts /dev/DesktopPC-root. In there is boot BUT my original grub is located to /dev/sda1!!! |
| 13:06.12 | _stefanos_ | that's why I cannot fix it |
| 13:06.35 | _stefanos_ | but my MBR has been installed to /dev/sda |
| 13:06.38 | _stefanos_ | how come? |
| 13:06.44 | _stefanos_ | this issue i mean |
| 13:07.18 | blackshirt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.02 | _stefanos_ | wrong drivers most probably |
| 13:12.36 | blackshirt | _stefanos: i don't thinks so... it's works, but for a random uptime, will freeze |
| 13:12.51 | _stefanos_ | check your memory then or your HDD |
| 13:12.58 | _stefanos_ | bad sectors somewhere? |
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| 13:13.42 | wols | blackshirt: and how do you know it's your video driver that is the culprit? |
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| 13:14.56 | _stefanos_ | wols: can i ask for your help please? |
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| 13:15.14 | MarKsaitis | is it true that GNOME is the default debian interface when u install it? And why is it so? |
| 13:15.20 | blackshirt | wols: i have installed xserver-xorg-video-intel..that's driver for my intel graphic series ... |
| 13:16.20 | blackshirt | _stefanos: my system works well with vesa driver |
| 13:16.35 | _stefanos_ | then keep it so |
| 13:16.51 | nkuttler | MarKsaitis: it's the default GUI if you choose to install one |
| 13:17.20 | nkuttler | and i'd guess for historical reasons, qt not being free etc |
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| 13:17.29 | _stefanos_ | MarKasaitis: When you boot from DVD to clean install debian you can go to Advanced Options and from there choose a different environment |
| 13:17.34 | MarKsaitis | nkuttler, ok |
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| 13:19.00 | blackshirt | _stefanos: i need acceleration support, with vesa driver we don;t have support |
| 13:19.19 | _stefanos_ | have you checked through Google? |
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| 13:20.04 | blackshirt | _stefanos: yeah, i have read a lot of similar problem for this series.. |
| 13:20.22 | blackshirt | i think a bug from upstream release :d |
| 13:20.29 | _stefanos_ | what chipset do you have? |
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| 13:21.41 | blackshirt | intel graphic onboard 82845G series (Brookdale) |
| 13:22.08 | MarKsaitis | Are there any serious reasons why GNOME could be better than KDE? Or is it just that "some parts non-free" thing? |
| 13:22.13 | wols | blackshirt: disable features you might not explicitly need, like kmodeset,drm,whatever |
| 13:22.35 | wols | MarKsaitis: both are Free |
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| 13:22.53 | MarKsaitis | wols, I probably ment that QT part not being free |
| 13:23.04 | wols | MarKsaitis: you are mistaken |
| 13:23.06 | blackshirt | wols: how to do that ?? i want to install gnome-shell on my debian |
| 13:23.53 | MarKsaitis | wols, ok. If both are cmpletelly free, then are there any serious reasons on why GNOME is better and why is it default on debian? |
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| 13:24.10 | wols | MarKsaitis: mainly historical reasons |
| 13:24.20 | wols | MarKsaitis: there is no "default" btw |
| 13:24.24 | MarKsaitis | an example of a good one? |
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| 13:24.43 | wols | a good what one? |
| 13:25.08 | MarKsaitis | well there must be a default. i just installed debian on one machine and selected to have graphical env, and I didnt get a choice of either KDE or GNOME. But it installed GNOME. This is a default |
| 13:25.11 | nardev | Which one is good proxy server? My local network blocks me youtube/facebook etc and i have server remotely that i want to use as proxy to avoid local network policy. Which is good and easy to setup proxy for that purposes? |
| 13:25.14 | MarKsaitis | a good historical reason? wols |
| 13:25.52 | wols | nardev: danted. make sure you secure your proxy well tho |
| 13:26.00 | blackshirt | wols: gnome-shell need accelerated graphic card support ? |
| 13:26.05 | _stefanos_ | MarKsaitis: when Gnome started KDE was built with proprietary tools. QT back then was a proprietary tool |
| 13:26.10 | wols | blackshirt: no |
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| 13:26.14 | nardev | wols, thnx |
| 13:26.37 | MarKsaitis | _stefanos_, ok |
| 13:27.09 | blackshirt | wols: is it safe to remove kmodeset, drm or other ?? |
| 13:27.14 | MarKsaitis | so are there any good reasons why on why GNOME would be better than KDE today? Are there any? Any future insights on both? |
| 13:27.22 | wols | blackshirt: you cannot "remove" it |
| 13:27.37 | nkuttler | MarKsaitis: use both and decide for yourself |
| 13:27.40 | wols | blackshirt: you honestly want to run experimental but have no clue what things like kmodest, drm, etc is? |
| 13:27.58 | wols | !tell MarKsaitis about better |
| 13:28.23 | MarKsaitis | nkuttler, well I used both. I cant see everything by just using them. i think code style to write both and their future plans matter alot too |
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| 13:28.41 | blackshirt | wols: i'm newbie using linux, i need help .. |
| 13:29.05 | nkuttler | MarKsaitis: what the bot told you |
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| 13:30.27 | MarKsaitis | It didnt tell me on their future plans etc.... i think it not so much personal taste. I think everybody wants to use only a software which will not die in the future or at least will still be supported and developed as much. Thats why I am asking whether anybody knows something serious or major about either of these shells |
| 13:30.51 | MarKsaitis | I am actually asking about personal tastes of other people. |
| 13:31.01 | wols | !poll |
| 13:31.01 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 13:31.48 | blackshirt | wols: how we can disable modeset or drm on debian ? |
| 13:31.54 | _stefanos_ | wols: my grub is located in /boot/grub/ [/dev/sda1], but upon rescue mode, it mounts /dev/DesktopPC-root. In there it has a different /boot |
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| 13:31.57 | VistaUser | hi |
| 13:32.00 | _stefanos_ | what to do? |
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| 13:32.19 | nkuttler | _stefanos_: you can tell grub-install which device to use |
| 13:32.29 | MarKsaitis | Well, why should we not have a poll of what shell users use here in this channel :) |
| 13:32.38 | _stefanos_ | nkuttler: i told it to install it in /dev/sda |
| 13:32.42 | _stefanos_ | and still the issue remains the same |
| 13:32.47 | nkuttler | MarKsaitis: this is a support channel, for technical problems |
| 13:32.48 | blackshirt | VistaUser: hi |
| 13:32.49 | wols | _stefanos_: I dunno about LVMs. I'd check where this LVM partition points to and where sda1 points to |
| 13:33.00 | MarKsaitis | ok ok :) |
| 13:33.03 | wols | MarKsaitis: cause polls suck, so do pollsters |
| 13:33.08 | nkuttler | _stefanos_: i think there's an option for which boot dir to use |
| 13:33.09 | _stefanos_ | wols: fdisk -l does not say too much |
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| 13:33.19 | _stefanos_ | nkuttler: i know |
| 13:33.21 | nkuttler | oh, lvm |
| 13:33.25 | _stefanos_ | yep |
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| 13:33.35 | MarKsaitis | wols, which shell do you use? And which one has less technical problems? |
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| 13:33.55 | MarKsaitis | in your opinion :) |
| 13:33.59 | nkuttler | MarKsaitis: #debian-offtopic, #defocus etc |
| 13:34.30 | MarKsaitis | nkuttler, my question was also to do with technical stuff.... I was interested which shell has less of technical problems |
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| 13:34.43 | wols | MarKsaitis: go and read bts. but GO! |
| 13:34.45 | classico | hello, i would like to install debian-standard (no desktop) on a netbook with no cd drive. i only have a usb external hard drive at my disposal. is there a safe way to do this? |
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| 13:35.00 | wols | classico: just install |
| 13:35.04 | MarKsaitis | =))) |
| 13:35.18 | classico | wols, how do i boot from the image? |
| 13:35.22 | nkuttler | classico: sure, it's documented in the install guide |
| 13:35.42 | babilen | !tell classico -about usb install |
| 13:35.43 | wols | classico: you burn the image and boot from it. normally, netbooks boot just fine from external optical drives |
| 13:35.50 | classico | nkuttler, i tried all day yesterday, nothing worked. i'm not stupid, i would'nt come here if i wasn't blocked |
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| 13:36.07 | wols | oh, harddrive. see what dpkg told you then |
| 13:36.12 | babilen | classico: Can you boot from USB? Have you tried it? How did you prepare the USB stick? |
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| 13:36.39 | classico | yes i've installed ubuntu from my usb external hard drive |
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| 13:36.47 | lapsusbrutus | Debian installer hangs on a Dell Optiplex GX110. When I press "Install" it hangs and a line of scrabbled colors appears on bottom of screen. Nothing wrong with computer. |
| 13:36.50 | classico | using usb-universal-installer |
| 13:36.56 | babilen | classico: Although one typically uses an usb stick for that a hd should work just as well. You might, however, not want to delete everything on it but opt for "the flexible way" |
| 13:37.14 | babilen | classico: What is usb-universal-installer ? |
| 13:37.34 | classico | babilen, pendrive? |
| 13:38.41 | MarKsaitis | I want nx server on debian. How do I know whether it is in the dfault repositories? |
| 13:38.50 | MarKsaitis | or is there anything better than nx :) |
| 13:38.57 | nkuttler | !tell MarKsaitis about pdo |
| 13:38.59 | MarKsaitis | performance matters here |
| 13:39.04 | babilen | classico: Ah, ok. Never used it and I have no idea what it does. As you see in the installation guide you can just "cat" or "copy" the iso directly to the stick/hd -- What are the actual problems you are facing? |
| 13:39.04 | MarKsaitis | nkuttler, thanx |
| 13:39.21 | classico | babilen, my only other computer is on windws |
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| 13:39.33 | classico | i read the documentation, but haven't found my answer |
| 13:40.12 | babilen | classico: Yeah, sure not problem. Just use the image writer dpkg mentioned in its private message to you. You'll have to rename the .iso to .img though. (windows is a bit stupid when it comes to filenames) |
| 13:40.15 | nkuttler | classico: like in, you read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en ? |
| 13:40.35 | classico | nkuttler, this is linux based |
| 13:40.39 | classico | i only have windows |
| 13:40.46 | nkuttler | hm |
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| 13:41.21 | babilen | classico: Have you seen the message dpkg sent you? |
| 13:41.27 | classico | i'm gonna try using dd for windows + boot.img + debian-standard.iso |
| 13:41.55 | babilen | classico: No, don't use dd for windows (we had numerous reports that dd on windows does not work) -- use the image writer mentioned by dpkg |
| 13:42.38 | classico | babilen, yes, the bootmanager tutorial is seriously repulsing |
| 13:42.39 | MarKsaitis | Is there anything better or simmilar to NXserver? I want something like that to be in default repositories. Can anybody sugest me smth? |
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| 13:44.10 | classico | ok i'll try using image writer |
| 13:44.19 | nkuttler | !tell MarKsaitis about nx |
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| 13:45.35 | MarKsaitis | ok. is there anything else with simmilar security and performance like nxserver? |
| 13:46.04 | classico | Image Writer does not recognize my usb external hard drive |
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| 13:50.04 | classico | i don't understand why I HAVE to choose a desktop environment, that's really pissing me off |
| 13:50.13 | wols | classico: you don't have to |
| 13:50.15 | classico | i just want debian + fluxbox |
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| 13:50.35 | wols | nothing makes you do that. you don't have to install X either. tasksel is optional |
| 13:50.37 | classico | the standard-live.iso does not boot, I have no idea why |
| 13:50.55 | jordanm | !netinst |
| 13:50.55 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 13:51.03 | Dougy | what mirror should i use |
| 13:51.04 | classico | well then can I use the debian-lxde image and not install lxde? |
| 13:51.05 | wols | why is everyone trying to use live cds to install an OS? why? |
| 13:51.08 | Dougy | that would have pacman-package-manager on debian 6? |
| 13:51.11 | Dougy | needs |
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| 13:51.36 | wols | ,versions pacman |
| 13:51.37 | judd | Package pacman on i386 -- lenny: 10-17; sid: 10-17; squeeze: 10-17; wheezy: 10-17 |
| 13:51.41 | classico | wols, I did not think that was changing anything |
| 13:51.47 | babilen | wols: That is a good question, but it seems that a lot of users think it is a good idea. |
| 13:51.51 | jordanm | wols: that's how gentoo, fedora, and some derivatives do it |
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| 13:52.05 | Dougy | judd: i dont know exactly whaat that means |
| 13:52.16 | jordanm | people like what they are familar with |
| 13:52.23 | Dougy | or, wols even |
| 13:52.25 | wols | Dougy: it's in main. so simply install it |
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| 13:52.39 | Dougy | hmm |
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| 13:52.42 | nkuttler | wols: yeah, but it's a game |
| 13:52.44 | Dougy | didnt work for me, will try again |
| 13:52.47 | wols | or not. pacman is the game, not the arch thing |
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| 13:53.18 | Dougy | wols: yeah. |
| 13:53.23 | Dougy | its pacman-package-manager |
| 13:53.26 | Dougy | ,versions pacman-package-manager |
| 13:53.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pacman-package-manager' was found in i386. |
| 13:53.30 | Dougy | lame. |
| 13:53.36 | wols | Dougy: what makes you think that debian has such a thing? this is not Arch her |
| 13:53.39 | wols | e |
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| 13:53.46 | Dougy | because something else i use has deps for it |
| 13:53.53 | Dougy | looks online for a .deb |
| 13:54.02 | Dougy | ahha, he has debs for it too. great. |
| 13:54.06 | nkuttler | Dougy: you probably mixed external sources into your sources.list.. |
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| 13:54.20 | wols | nkuttler: strike the "probably" |
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| 13:54.51 | wols | Dougy: using foreign package managers is a very bad idea. and a quick way to reinstall-land |
| 13:55.01 | Dougy | wols: negative |
| 13:55.06 | Dougy | this is for xen bootstrap deployments |
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| 13:57.37 | _stefanos_ | wols: sorry for being a headache to you buddy |
| 13:57.54 | rotanid | hello :) does somebody know why debian ignores "packet too big" (ipv6) and keeps trying with too big packets? |
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| 13:57.55 | _stefanos_ | in fstab /dev/sda1 is commented out |
| 13:58.13 | _stefanos_ | but why then grub-install does not work in rescue mode? |
| 13:58.50 | wols | < wols> _stefanos_: I dunno about LVMs. |
| 13:59.00 | _stefanos_ | ok mate |
| 13:59.02 | _stefanos_ | cheers |
| 14:00.05 | classico | wols: if I try to install the "normal" debian image (the one with gnone), will I be prompted to not install any desktop environment at some point during the installation process? |
| 14:00.16 | classico | gnome |
| 14:01.00 | nkuttler | classico: just don't pick anything in tasksel |
| 14:01.08 | wols | classico: just cause you are prompted, doesn't mean you have to say "yes", do you? |
| 14:01.28 | wols | tasksel has something preselected, but you can easily unselet all of it |
| 14:01.31 | classico | wols, i'm asking if i actually will be prompted or not :) |
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| 14:02.02 | wols | and you got told what to do from two different people |
| 14:02.07 | classico | tasksel is chinese for me, i'm kinda new to this |
| 14:02.17 | wols | then I suggest you read the install guide |
| 14:02.25 | nkuttler | classico: and just start the install |
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| 14:02.40 | classico | ok, thanks for you help guys |
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| 14:03.44 | classico | debian is not aiming at implementing something like unity? |
| 14:04.12 | Black_Prince | classico, maybe gnome shell ... I am not sure what they have in common |
| 14:04.49 | babilen | classico: It will definitely not implement it itself, but it'll probably be available in the repositories eventually. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609278 |
| 14:04.53 | classico | i'm just wondering 'cause i like unity but it's kind of buggy on my netbook |
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| 14:17.35 | kalyplato | http://www.luffy.cx/en/blog/2011-flash-on-debian.html |
| 14:19.32 | webad13 | I have UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) text, but tty console does not read some characters correctly - I had problems with umlauts (german) and now also with some serbian letter (lattin, but strangely some of them are encoded correctly - some non english ones) |
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| 14:20.52 | webad13 | is there a way to set up console to display this text correctly - I tried ssty iutf8, but this did not change anything |
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| 14:21.07 | webad13 | sorry s/ssty/stty :) |
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| 14:23.36 | simon_h | Hi! Since my last upgrade of debian sid (64 bit) the sound in firefox (flash?) is broken: I get pulsed noise (about 2 Hz frequency) added to the audio track. e.g. youtube works fine, but jamendo doesn't. Any ideas? |
| 14:25.17 | webad13 | simon_h: same problem here, I tried with different versions of flash same problem - also tried different browsers |
| 14:25.34 | Morphous_ | hey does anyone know if it is on purpose that debian.org has no AAAA dns record ( www.debian.org has one ) |
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| 14:26.46 | babilen | simon_h: Please come over to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:27.38 | simon_h | babilen, is this channel for #stable stuff only? |
| 14:28.11 | babilen | simon_h: It is rather that #debian-next is specifically for wheezy/sid related problems. |
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| 14:28.33 | simon_h | ok :) |
| 14:28.36 | llutz | simon_h: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620901 |
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| 14:32.46 | babilen | simon_h: Are you coming over or would you prefer to stay here? |
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| 14:33.51 | simon_h | babilen, ok, I'll come, I was busy reading the bug report etc. :) |
| 14:34.52 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 14:35.06 | Bartzy|work | After rebooting a NFS server, some clients complain that some NFS handles are stale |
| 14:35.32 | Bartzy|work | unmounting and mounting doesn't help, only full restart to the entire host. Is that logical ? :| Am I missing some daemon restart that solves this ? |
| 14:35.45 | Black_Prince | Flash 10.3.181 does not have bug with or without pulseaudio ... |
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| 14:37.05 | Black_Prince | Agh ... 64bit version ... This one is 32bit |
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| 14:53.50 | linux-fox | laugh..... |
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| 14:55.29 | mplabs | Hello |
| 14:56.01 | linux-fox | hello |
| 14:56.08 | xingu | Bartzy|work: nfs4 has design improvements in exactly that area |
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| 14:56.18 | Bartzy|work | xingu: nfs4 is not stable |
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| 14:56.23 | Bartzy|work | xingu: And I don't use it :) |
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| 14:57.05 | xingu | "not stable"... well... ok. :) |
| 14:57.24 | xingu | I mean I agree, but it's no less unstable than nfs3 for linux clients anyway. |
| 14:57.31 | mplabs | is it possible to execute an application (GUI) and to return the prompt immediately? something like $ nohup app (but in this case it doesn't return the prompt) |
| 14:57.51 | pipeline | mplabs: nohup app & |
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| 15:01.09 | vi390 | hi, I have installed gnome on a openVz host. After the install I can not reach the WAN from inside a VE. Any idea, what a Gnome install coild possibly change on network settings, or what coild cause such venet failures? |
| 15:01.21 | mplabs | ahmn, sure! thank you |
| 15:02.48 | npoektop | hi! i've just set up hostapd, but when i connect to wifi from another machine, i can't access anything in the network. To give access only to internet i need to set up bridge, right? But I want to set up access to my network |
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| 15:04.08 | wols | vi390: it runs gnome network manager |
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| 15:04.35 | wols | npoektop: no need for a bridge. just enable ip_forward |
| 15:04.40 | vi390 | wols: hmm ooh, could be. Is this installed by standard? (well Gnome is not running atm, but installed) |
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| 15:05.02 | wols | vi390: depends how much of gnome you installed. and you can check yourself what was installed |
| 15:05.04 | xingu | Bartzy|work: the problem you're up against is that only nfs4 retains enough server-side state to be able to decide how to respond to client requests after the reboot; nfs3 (on the server side) will leave clients in limbo. |
| 15:05.43 | xingu | Bartzy|work: there's detail about specifics in the rfc (3530), ^^^ that's the executive summary though. |
| 15:06.11 | xingu | Bartzy|work: nfs3 (and below) only deal with _client_ recovery, not server reboot recovery. |
| 15:07.17 | xingu | (and even then it's hap-hazard, requiring a functional/sane statd to really work) |
| 15:08.30 | mplabs | what about to ignore "nohup: redirecting stderr to stdout"? I have tried with $ nohup app > /dev/null & but it doesn't work |
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| 15:09.04 | wols | mplabs: must it use nohup? |
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| 15:09.20 | mplabs | no, I just wanted to return to the prompt immediately |
| 15:09.35 | wols | then just run "app &" |
| 15:09.50 | vi390 | wols: gnome-desktop has been installed, dont know if network manager is in the install llist. how is the package called? gnome-network ? |
| 15:09.55 | wols | works for all programs, X or console. it's a function of the shell |
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| 15:10.09 | mplabs | but it also prints everything on the command line |
| 15:10.11 | ddan | btw to redirect stderr to stdout youve to do 2>&1 (where 2 is stderr and 1 is stdout) |
| 15:10.13 | wols | vi390: apt-cache search gnome network manager is very helpful |
| 15:10.38 | ddan | mplabs: try app 2>&1 > /dev/null & |
| 15:11.08 | mplabs | same |
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| 15:11.29 | vi390 | wols: ok, just didnt know how its called, and it is installed... hmm would deinstallation of the network manager help? |
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| 15:11.56 | ddan | mplabs: weird thing, if i do 'yes 2>&1 > /dev/null' it doesnt print out anything |
| 15:12.38 | mplabs | I guess it's not using stdout (?) |
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| 15:13.04 | project2501a | hey guys, how much space do i need for a request tracker box? |
| 15:13.06 | project2501a | 30gb? |
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| 15:14.18 | abrotman | don't you think that depends on how many tickets you anticipate? |
| 15:14.20 | mplabs | actually look at that: $ nohup yes 2>&1 > /dev/null & |
| 15:14.30 | mplabs | it also print "nohup: ignoring input and redirecting stderr to stdou" |
| 15:14.32 | abrotman | project2501a: that would be a good start at least |
| 15:14.38 | mplabs | same problem |
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| 15:15.03 | project2501a | abrotman: but RT has an sql backend, and i plan to store the tickets on postgres |
| 15:15.35 | abrotman | i'm aware .. |
| 15:15.39 | mplabs | could you see? |
| 15:15.50 | deepa | How large is a ticket? |
| 15:15.57 | ddan | mplabs: get rid of the nohup |
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| 15:16.11 | abrotman | in PA, it's about 4"x8" i'd guess |
| 15:16.13 | project2501a | um, could be up to couple of tens of kilobites. |
| 15:16.32 | mplabs | I won't use it, it was just to show you it also print on the command line even if you redirect the output, ddan |
| 15:16.35 | Delf | Alright, Could someone explain to me how the classing and sub classing works? http://www.bctes.com/dhcpd.conf.5.html |
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| 15:17.02 | project2501a | abrotman: so, i do not see how, the net amount of tickets will be relevant to the storage taken by the box. |
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| 15:17.06 | mplabs | I have the same kind of problem with $ app 2>&1 > /dev/null |
| 15:17.12 | mplabs | & |
| 15:17.29 | abrotman | project2501a: the DB grows as the number of tickets stored increases |
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| 15:17.40 | project2501a | yeah, but the db will be on a seperate box. |
| 15:17.45 | abrotman | you didn't say that |
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| 15:17.50 | project2501a | my apologies. |
| 15:17.57 | abrotman | project2501a: 30GB is way way more than enough |
| 15:18.05 | abrotman | you could probably do it with 10GB or less |
| 15:18.10 | project2501a | Delf: fuck if i know, seriously, dhcp is a fucking mystery. i wish o'reilly brought out a book to explain the damn thing |
| 15:18.22 | project2501a | abrotman: 2 cores, and 8GB of ram. that should be enough. |
| 15:18.26 | abrotman | dude ... |
| 15:18.28 | ddan | mplabs: i dunno, it works on my box; it creates a pid and it doesnt output anything (using 'yes') |
| 15:18.35 | abrotman | it would need like a PIII and 512MB probably |
| 15:18.39 | deepa | 8GB RAM? |
| 15:18.43 | deepa | RAMDISK time? |
| 15:18.50 | sterna_ | what for? |
| 15:18.50 | mplabs | yes, using just "yes" it works :| |
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| 15:19.05 | project2501a | abrotman: i'm taking my queue from nagios, also written in perl , which is cpu intensive. |
| 15:19.22 | abrotman | project2501a: we ran RT on 2.4Ghz 2GB .. it was fine |
| 15:19.23 | ddan | mplabs: oh, what kind of app are you using then? did you write it or its something i can try out too? |
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| 15:19.31 | Delf | project2501a: It's merely very poorly documented. |
| 15:19.35 | project2501a | abrotman: ok, man, thank you. |
| 15:19.51 | project2501a | Delf: hey got a minute? i wanna privmsg you about dchpd |
| 15:20.16 | abrotman | project2501a: it was way more than fine |
| 15:20.17 | Delf | What syntax is allowed in class "Team1" { syntax; }? |
| 15:20.23 | Delf | project2501a: Shoot |
| 15:20.50 | mplabs | don't worry, it's not absolutely necessary actually but I wanted to understand how it works. it's an app I didn't write by the way |
| 15:21.42 | mplabs | I guess it's just using other kind of std (in fact it just prints debugging logs) |
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| 15:22.25 | ddan | its weird, the stdout should get them all |
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| 15:23.31 | mplabs | just to know, what does 2>&1? (the "&1" part)? |
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| 15:24.12 | llutz | mplabs: appends stderr to the redirected stdout |
| 15:24.34 | mplabs | &1 is stdout? |
| 15:24.39 | llutz | 1 is |
| 15:24.47 | mplabs | ok, thanks |
| 15:25.14 | ddan | 0 = stdin, 1 = stdout, 2 = stderr |
| 15:25.36 | ddan | 3 should be a redirect to a pipe |
| 15:25.41 | mplabs | ah! I know why it can be happening. I just read at the beginning of the log it says "Thread 10 blah blah blah" (it's not the main process printing it!) |
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| 15:25.57 | ddan | could be |
| 15:26.18 | mplabs | anyway, thank you! |
| 15:26.30 | ddan | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html |
| 15:26.47 | ddan | it goes to 7 lol |
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| 15:28.45 | mplabs | done! :D |
| 15:28.45 | metbsd | how do i control default run level? |
| 15:28.54 | mplabs | $ app &> /dev/null & |
| 15:28.57 | mplabs | works :) |
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| 15:33.22 | mplabs | but if I put the same in a file.sh and then I run ./file.sh it doesn't hehe |
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| 15:34.35 | llutz | mplabs: what shell runs your script? &> is bash-only |
| 15:34.35 | Bushmills | metbsd: /etc/inittab |
| 15:34.55 | mplabs | /bin/bash |
| 15:35.09 | llutz | mplabs: or better "&> won't work with dash (/bin/sh)" |
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| 15:36.24 | mplabs | great! |
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| 15:36.41 | mplabs | it was my fault, I was using sh instead actually |
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| 15:36.47 | mplabs | it works perfect now, thank you again! |
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| 15:39.20 | vi390 | wols: do you know some sort of settings gnome-network-manager changes on install? still dont know what it could possibly have changed |
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| 15:40.24 | dclarke | question .. where are the latest "testing" iso images kept? I am looking to install it onto powerpc |
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| 15:41.10 | dclarke | I don't see testing at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
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| 15:41.53 | dclarke | never mind .. found them http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ [ only after I have to ask do I find them .. of course ] |
| 15:41.59 | mplabs | dclarke, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 15:42.08 | mplabs | they are there actually |
| 15:42.16 | dclarke | yep .. just found it .. |
| 15:42.40 | dclarke | on powerpc .. this should be interesting, and , I still have a DEC Alpha server too |
| 15:45.11 | rotanid | hello :) does somebody know why debian ignores "packet too big" (ipv6) and keeps trying with too big packets? |
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| 15:45.48 | dclarke | that sounds like a good question for the linux kernel folks |
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| 16:03.03 | npoektop | my netbook is able to connect to AP i configured on desktop pc, but it can't reach anything in network. I used hostapd without bridging. How to make it work? I'll post anything that can help |
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| 16:06.22 | rotanid | xingu: i dont think so, routing is symmetric |
| 16:07.50 | rotanid | xingu: and it works on other virtual machines on the same host |
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| 16:14.51 | dym | Can i use egrep to find all "javascript" script includes in every first line of all *.html files in a dir recursively? |
| 16:14.54 | dym | i just need to check the first line. |
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| 16:15.44 | nsadmin | if you want to |
| 16:15.49 | nsadmin | man egrep to see how |
| 16:15.54 | dym | lovely |
| 16:15.56 | dym | thanks. |
| 16:16.13 | nsadmin | didn't do anything, that's for you to do |
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| 16:17.23 | dym | whats the switch for only checking the first line? |
| 16:17.39 | nsadmin | how can you get the first line of any file |
| 16:17.42 | rypervenche | ,versions iceweasel |
| 16:17.46 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-7~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-7; sid: 3.5.19-2; wheezy: 3.5.19-2; experimental: 4.0.1-3 |
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| 16:18.37 | dym | nsadmin: head |
| 16:18.40 | dym | -n 1 |
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| 16:19.11 | dym | thats why i was asking if there is an egrep switch |
| 16:19.30 | nsadmin | egrep switches are documented |
| 16:19.34 | nsadmin | not reading to you |
| 16:20.05 | dym | you COULD just say no. |
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| 16:24.05 | lapsusbrutus | head -n1 filename "cats" out first line of "filename"if thats whats needed |
| 16:25.16 | lapsusbrutus | ohh already answered.. :) |
| 16:26.59 | npoektop | i'm still trying to set up hostapd. Maybe the problem wlan0 and eth0 are in the same network? |
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| 16:33.16 | Bushmills | not a problem if they're bridged |
| 16:33.31 | Bushmills | problem if they aren't |
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| 16:38.46 | jhutchins_lt | I've never had a problem with multiple interfaces on the same network. |
| 16:39.09 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... i just installed openoffice but i cant find the "Quick starter" check box in the settings !! |
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| 16:39.52 | rfay | I have a tmpfs partition on several systems (/tmpfs) and it's 752MB. I can't figure out for the life of me where that gets configured. /etc/fstab has no config for the size. Where could it come from? |
| 16:39.56 | rypervenche | I see that Debian-Multimedia is in judd's versions. Is it supported by Debian or supported in this channel? (officially) |
| 16:40.34 | Bushmills | jhutchins_lt: routing conflicts |
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| 16:41.28 | ansgar | rypervenche: It's not supported by Debian. |
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| 16:41.37 | Bushmills | rfay: you have 1.5 gig RAM? |
| 16:41.49 | rfay | Bushmills, yep |
| 16:41.55 | rfay | Is it always half or something? |
| 16:42.03 | Zvpun | Hi, I have an SD disc of my camera and it is mounted as /media/5CDF-77BB what determines the name 5CDF-77BB and how can I change it? |
| 16:42.04 | Bushmills | default it is, yes |
| 16:42.10 | rfay | Bushmills++ |
| 16:42.21 | rypervenche | ansgar: Ok, thank you for clearing that up. |
| 16:42.21 | rfay | Thanks so much! |
| 16:42.23 | Bushmills | where "is" means "maximum allowed!" |
| 16:43.17 | jhutchins_lt | Zvpun: That looks like a vfat UUID. |
| 16:43.50 | jhutchins_lt | Zvpun: It could also be a USB device id. |
| 16:44.10 | HackeMate | exists a html editor like dreamweaver? |
| 16:44.13 | Bushmills | Zvpun: does lsusb show the same on one device? |
| 16:45.16 | Zvpun | Bushmills: I am not sure, I think no. |
| 16:45.26 | Zvpun | jhutchins_lt: how can I see a vfat UUID? |
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| 16:45.35 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: Not exactly, but there are tools. I've used Quanta, but it didn't make it to kde4. |
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| 16:46.12 | HackeMate | ok i go try |
| 16:46.14 | HackeMate | thanks |
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| 16:47.02 | Zvpun | Bushmills, jhutchins_lt due to your help I think it is a UUID, how can I change it? |
| 16:47.08 | bitrot | anyone have any idea why this happens |
| 16:47.15 | bitrot | aptitude update |
| 16:47.15 | bitrot | 76% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb)] [Connecting to backports.debian.org (2001:858:2:2:214:22ff:fe0d:7717)] |
| 16:47.26 | iter | Zvpun: that's the volume label, no? you can rename it with gparted |
| 16:47.36 | Bushmills | Zvpun: is that usbmount mounting your camera? |
| 16:47.45 | bitrot | i can ping both those ips just fine |
| 16:47.52 | Zvpun | Bushmills: its gnome automatically mounting the SD card |
| 16:47.59 | Zvpun | iter: thank you, I'll try. |
| 16:48.06 | jhutchins_lt | Zvpun: blkid |
| 16:48.27 | Bushmills | then check out usbmount instead of nautilus automounting, and look into /var/run/usbmount |
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| 16:49.22 | Zvpun | Bushmills: people already pointed me at UUIDs, I think I am fine and can figure out the rest. Thank you for your help though! |
| 16:50.01 | Bushmills | well, it is just that usbmount gives them sensible names |
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| 17:11.26 | antiwire | Hey, does anyone know the ticket number for a possible problem with the sources check boxes in synaptic on wheezy? |
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| 17:21.03 | iggyp0p3 | planning to buy MegaRAID SAS 9240-4i, will this run on debian squeeze? |
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| 17:23.21 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, it runs on lenny, so prolly yes |
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| 17:24.00 | iggyp0p3 | thanks a lot dutchfish |
| 17:24.13 | iggyp0p3 | :) |
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| 17:25.26 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, http://kb.lsi.com/Download15873.aspx |
| 17:25.29 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 17:29.09 | iggyp0p3 | dutchfish, is it not included on the default kernel of lenny? |
| 17:30.39 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, yes, but not the CLI |
| 17:30.50 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, same for squeeze |
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| 17:31.44 | iggyp0p3 | ahhh now i understand |
| 17:31.52 | iggyp0p3 | thank you very much |
| 17:32.02 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, the driver has also a webinterface (but is not needed per se) |
| 17:32.11 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, yw |
| 17:33.00 | iggyp0p3 | how about the performance? are you happy with it? |
| 17:33.45 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, well, i am using it, its ok, but a bit outdated compared to others, it's a reliable card |
| 17:34.14 | Delf | What syntax is allowed in class "Team1" { syntax; }? In dhcpd.conf (isc-dhcp-server). |
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| 17:35.11 | iggyp0p3 | dutchfish are there new ones you can recommend, sata/sas raid controller ? models or brands that will work with the default kernel of squeeze? |
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| 17:35.51 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, well i would check latest sata 6GB/sec if your bios plays along well |
| 17:36.04 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, (if you want cutting edge) |
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| 17:36.44 | iggyp0p3 | i want a brand/model that will give me good nights sleep |
| 17:36.50 | iggyp0p3 | its for a production server |
| 17:36.54 | iggyp0p3 | :D |
| 17:37.07 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, well, check hcl's, i don't want to rcommend brands/models |
| 17:37.59 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, i am the same as you, just a user |
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| 17:40.44 | iggyp0p3 | alright thanks again dutchfish :) |
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| 17:45.54 | dutchfish | iggyp0p3, http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
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| 17:48.51 | iggyp0p3 | dutchfish thanks :) |
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| 17:51.10 | sickgut | to upgrade lenny to squeeze on my vps what is the correct apt-get thing? |
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| 17:51.35 | sickgut | i need the squeeze or newer kernel so i can mount squashfs4 |
| 17:52.14 | abrotman | !tell sickgut about lenny->squeeze |
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| 17:54.34 | sickgut | dunno if i can choose kernel to boot into on my vps |
| 17:54.50 | sickgut | like its not as tho i can see grub |
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| 17:59.39 | lapsusbrutus | woot?! I just finished installing a debian computer on a dell optiplex GX110. had to use expert install for everything else clicked in menu, install hangs.. Ok problem is that I am 100% sure that I put root pw to "a" and allow login as root... Now I cant log in.. not from limited user either.. How should I fix this?? What went wrong you think? |
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| 18:00.31 | nkuttler | !tell lapsusbrutus about i forgot root's password |
| 18:02.50 | Jemt | I'm getting 404 when "apt-get update" for security.debian.org etch/updates/ main contrib non-free |
| 18:03.07 | Jemt | What's wrong ? |
| 18:03.46 | nkuttler | etch is obsolete |
| 18:04.00 | sickgut | !tell sickgut about i forgot root's password |
| 18:04.04 | nkuttler | !tell Jemt about etch |
| 18:04.10 | nkuttler | !tell sickgut about selftell |
| 18:04.24 | Jemt | So I'm no longer allowed to install security updates ? |
| 18:04.25 | dutchfish | Jemt, i suggest to upgrade, etch is no longer supported an dlenny is oldstable now, squeeze is the curent version |
| 18:04.27 | Jemt | Checking |
| 18:04.42 | nkuttler | Jemt: there are none |
| 18:04.45 | Jemt | I got now reason for upgrading - it works :) |
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| 18:04.50 | Jemt | Oh my god :-S |
| 18:05.11 | Jemt | I'm afraid that I didn't get all relevant security updates in time - while the repositories were still online |
| 18:05.18 | Jemt | Shame on me |
| 18:05.45 | dutchfish | Jemt, well they are still in snaphosts (archive) |
| 18:05.47 | Jemt | At least now I know what I will be doing next weekend |
| 18:05.59 | nkuttler | Jemt: it's not like those updates will keep you safe in the future.. |
| 18:06.05 | dutchfish | s/snaphosts/snapshots |
| 18:06.26 | nkuttler | Jemt: in my experience upgrading is very easy |
| 18:06.43 | Jemt | Adding "archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" should be sufficient to get available updates then ? |
| 18:06.44 | nkuttler | i only had a problem once with exim, and that was probabyl because i had messed up the config |
| 18:07.21 | Jemt | This is a production server, not a small home server. I can't afford down time. I will buy a new server, set it up and have it replace the old server |
| 18:08.00 | nkuttler | sure, neither was mine |
| 18:08.11 | dutchfish | Jemt, i think distupgrading to stable (squeeze) is far better, but if for any reason you want to get the latest etch stuff, delve into http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 18:08.24 | Jemt | Thanks dutchfish :) |
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| 18:09.03 | rue_mohr | my buddy wants a mp3 player that looks like winamp, what shall I suggest to him? |
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| 18:09.27 | ZykoticK9 | rue_mohr, audacious is one option |
| 18:09.27 | topyli | winamp |
| 18:09.31 | topyli | failing that, audacious |
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| 18:10.48 | asarch | Any PXE server for Debian? |
| 18:10.57 | _stefanos_ | good evening everyone |
| 18:11.25 | _stefanos_ | I have figured out the error and I guess all users who upgrade GRUB should know about it. |
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| 18:12.23 | chrismay | hi, when i add something like "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/lib:/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib:~/usr/instantclient_10_2:$XE/lib" to the ~/.bashrc file. How can i check if these libraries are indeed available? Maybe you use ~$ ldconfig -v for this? Although it does not show me these libraries. |
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| 18:13.40 | _stefanos_ | For those who had an issue with GRUB2 upgrade that let them to grub prompt, please read my solution at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=65102 |
| 18:13.46 | _stefanos_ | it might be your solution to your problems |
| 18:13.53 | _stefanos_ | oh how i missed my PC :D |
| 18:13.56 | nkuttler | _stefanos_: did you write a bug report? |
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| 18:15.07 | Jemt | Snapshots are great :) |
| 18:15.14 | chrismay | it worked before, surely LD_LIBRARY_PATH isn't depreciated? |
| 18:15.47 | rue_mohr | hmm I think audacious was the slow buggy one... |
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| 18:16.37 | rue_mohr | hmm maybe I should start the heap of paperwork to become a debian registered developer so I can re-release the software that worked that people want |
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| 18:17.42 | dutchfish | Jemt, ;) |
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| 18:19.03 | chrismay | hm, ld_library_path depreciated means The New World Order to google |
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| 18:19.45 | rue_mohr | amazing how un-straightforward this debian developer system is |
| 18:20.23 | nkuttler | rue_mohr: how so? |
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| 18:20.34 | chrismay | it's okay once it is set up, but don't change anything |
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| 18:20.59 | rue_mohr | well for example the maintainer page is telling me I need to be a developer, and the developer page told me I need to be a mainteiner |
| 18:21.15 | rue_mohr | http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-checklist |
| 18:21.50 | topyli | rue_mohr: it's a test! if you can figure out how to join, you're eligible |
| 18:21.59 | rue_mohr | I noticed |
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| 18:22.27 | rue_mohr | how backlogged is front desk? more than 2 months? |
| 18:23.21 | rue_mohr | its not clear if I should be a developer or a maintainer first |
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| 18:23.42 | rue_mohr | There is a large backlog of applicants which means it may take some time to get you through the system |
| 18:23.55 | tensorpudding | what is this package you want to bring back |
| 18:23.57 | rue_mohr | so I should really just start my own repository then shouldn't I? |
| 18:24.00 | dutchfish | rue_mohr, are you thinking of a debian native package? |
| 18:24.00 | abrotman | rue_mohr: you can do either you want ... |
| 18:24.01 | rue_mohr | xmms |
| 18:24.04 | rue_mohr | and ... |
| 18:24.09 | abrotman | xmms is dead upstream |
| 18:24.12 | rue_mohr | oh I have a list somewhere |
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| 18:24.14 | tensorpudding | xmms is dead |
| 18:24.17 | tensorpudding | xmms2 replaced it |
| 18:24.18 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 18:24.18 | dpkg | methinks mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 18:24.26 | abrotman | and audacious replaced the interface |
| 18:24.27 | rue_mohr | xmms2 is crap |
| 18:24.35 | rue_mohr | people want a winamp equiv that works |
| 18:24.37 | abrotman | rue_mohr: who is your AM ? |
| 18:24.39 | rue_mohr | WORKS |
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| 18:24.43 | abrotman | rue_mohr: audacious works ? |
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| 18:24.49 | tensorpudding | so fix the bugs? |
| 18:25.11 | jhutchins_lt | Um ... http://www.debian.org/CD/releases/ - 4.0r2 is the latest image? |
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| 18:25.29 | abrotman | regardless .. the packages he wants to maintain aren't really that important regarding his initial query |
| 18:25.48 | rue_mohr | teneightypea, adacious is too bloated to fix |
| 18:25.51 | tensorpudding | does debian even provide GTK 1.x anymore? |
| 18:25.55 | topyli | audacious works fine afaik |
| 18:26.00 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 18:26.02 | rue_mohr | its not about why I want to bring back the packages, its that I do |
| 18:26.04 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: see the warning at the top ? |
| 18:26.10 | abrotman | rue_mohr: i asked you .. who is your AM ? |
| 18:26.22 | rue_mohr | I have no account manager |
| 18:26.27 | abrotman | tensorpudding: nope .. so rue_mohr would have to port xmms to gtk2 |
| 18:26.37 | tensorpudding | wait, xmms2 already did that |
| 18:26.51 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: It would probably be useful if I actually READ the page header. |
| 18:26.52 | rue_mohr | xmms2 avoided it by not having a gui |
| 18:26.55 | abrotman | but they 'broke' the original interface |
| 18:26.58 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: hehe |
| 18:27.11 | nkuttler | xmms2 had several guis last time i checked |
| 18:27.20 | jhutchins_lt | Someone said 6.0.2 was out, apparently wrong. |
| 18:27.22 | tensorpudding | i don't know what you mean |
| 18:27.22 | abrotman | rue_mohr: you don't have an advocate or a manager? |
| 18:27.26 | tensorpudding | i used xmms2 years ago |
| 18:27.31 | rue_mohr | none of them work or operate as well as the winamp emulated interfaces |
| 18:27.36 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: the CDs take days to build |
| 18:27.40 | tensorpudding | then audacious, and audacious was a lot better |
| 18:27.41 | nkuttler | quodlibet is the best music player anyway |
| 18:27.42 | rue_mohr | abchirk_, no I'm green on this |
| 18:27.44 | rue_mohr | I'm a coder |
| 18:27.45 | _stefanos_ | nkuttler: no i did not |
| 18:27.49 | rue_mohr | a REALLY FRUSTRATED one |
| 18:27.55 | tensorpudding | they're still backwards and terrible though |
| 18:27.56 | abrotman | rue_mohr: less enter key please |
| 18:28.05 | nkuttler | _stefanos_: didn't look like a bug anyway, did it? |
| 18:28.08 | rue_mohr | cause lots of good debian packages get discontinued |
| 18:28.12 | jhutchins_lt | Scheduled for 25 June, so next weekend. |
| 18:28.20 | _stefanos_ | well it is if you think about it |
| 18:28.24 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/06/msg00200.html |
| 18:28.33 | tensorpudding | why not fork xmms2 and fix it |
| 18:28.35 | abrotman | rue_mohr: in your case, because gtk1 is gone |
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| 18:28.43 | nkuttler | _stefanos_: well if you *think* it is a bug, file a report |
| 18:28.53 | abrotman | rue_mohr: i'll guess your real name isn't rue or mohr :) |
| 18:28.57 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Yup. |
| 18:29.01 | rue_mohr | it dosn't matter if you think a program is backwards and terrible, if someone wants it back, esp if more than one person wants it back, it should be there |
| 18:29.05 | _stefanos_ | because how can a user would know that he should copy the contents of /boot to /dev/<lvm-volume-group-name>? |
| 18:29.16 | _stefanos_ | i guess i will |
| 18:29.23 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: it'll only be back if someone wants to put in the work to bring it back |
| 18:29.31 | rue_mohr | no no |
| 18:29.39 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: since you seem to be interested in it, you should put in the work |
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| 18:30.14 | rue_mohr | it tkaes more than that, I have to jump thru about 50000 debian hoops to officially bring it back, thats my problem, I cant even release a hello world backage without 4 months of paperwork |
| 18:30.25 | dondelelcaro | otherwise, if no one else wants to do the work, and you don't want to do the work, then complaints about it not happening are kind of stupid |
| 18:30.30 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, the only thing (if it applies) is that stable NEW is frozen since 18th/19th |
| 18:30.36 | abrotman | !tell rue_mohr about mentors |
| 18:30.42 | abrotman | rue_mohr: that might be a faster method |
| 18:30.48 | rue_mohr | I'll do the work, I'm just working on finding the first form to fill out |
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| 18:31.06 | abrotman | rue_mohr: have you started the NM process yet? |
| 18:31.13 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: no, it doesn't. you just need to do the work, find a sponsor, and upload the package. It takes only a few messages |
| 18:31.13 | tensorpudding | you should probably have packaged it already |
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| 18:31.59 | tensorpudding | the old package isn't likely to build without work |
| 18:32.04 | rue_mohr | last time I looked at what it took to create a package I threw up my hands, I have a day job and a hobby, I dont have 24/7/365 to dedicate to releasing a hello world package |
| 18:32.56 | dutchfish | rue_mohr, well, you could put it up in a git repo, so more can share the efford ... maybe |
| 18:33.30 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: it's actually pretty simple, and there's even a hello package as an example. |
| 18:33.47 | abrotman | thing is, it's not just the xmms1 package .. some of the dependencies have been removed also |
| 18:33.51 | rue_mohr | ok froking in tooo many directions here |
| 18:33.52 | tensorpudding | and you'll have to work to package gtk 1.x dependencies too |
| 18:34.13 | rue_mohr | abrotman, yea, I dont mind making it an atomic package |
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| 18:34.23 | tensorpudding | really, wouldn't it be better to fork xmms2 and change the gui to fit your needs, rather than xmms? |
| 18:34.26 | rue_mohr | no |
| 18:34.34 | rue_mohr | xmms2 is a totally different goal |
| 18:34.41 | abrotman | tensorpudding: AIUI, the entire structure of xmms2 is different |
| 18:34.42 | rue_mohr | for what is needed smmx2 is bloated |
| 18:35.08 | abrotman | probably be better to help patch up audacious if he werent' to try to package xmms1 |
| 18:35.11 | tensorpudding | repackaging xmms, which is dead as a doornail upstream, and its dependencies are dead as a doornail, and removed from debian? |
| 18:35.19 | abrotman | (instead of trying to make xmms2 work like that) |
| 18:35.19 | rue_mohr | audacious is bloated too |
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| 18:35.38 | rue_mohr | the basica functionality of the winamp knockoff is simple |
| 18:35.39 | abrotman | rue_mohr: i'm not arguing that .. i'm just saying it has the interface you want .. |
| 18:35.49 | abrotman | wonders what happened to zinf |
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| 18:36.20 | abrotman | !zinf |
| 18:36.20 | dpkg | Zinf ("Zinf is not FreeA*p!", formerly FreeAmp) is an unmaintained cross-platform audio player. Removed from Debian post-Sarge to resolve bug #423359. |
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| 18:36.26 | tensorpudding | if audacious is too bloated, zinf probably is the same |
| 18:36.34 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:36.35 | dutchfish | is happely using clementine and awaits the new packahe for a small footprint player in latest kde |
| 18:36.37 | nkuttler | there are many command line players |
| 18:36.44 | jaakkos | !backuppc |
| 18:36.44 | dpkg | BackupPC is an open source cross-platform disk based backup system. http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net/ http://backuppc.sf.net/ #backuppc on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:36.47 | abrotman | tensorpudding: zinf was gtk1 i thnik |
| 18:37.06 | sickgut | alsaplayer timidity mplayer gxine ftw |
| 18:37.07 | tensorpudding | zinf is dead since 2004 though |
| 18:37.09 | Radex | someone have db2 on squeeze? |
| 18:37.19 | tensorpudding | these players are all ancient |
| 18:37.29 | nkuttler | cplay is nice |
| 18:37.36 | abrotman | tensorpudding: and the homepage is gone |
| 18:37.40 | tensorpudding | yeah |
| 18:38.04 | tensorpudding | why not fork audacious and remove the bloat? |
| 18:38.09 | rue_mohr | people want the winamp interface, you might not see it, I am |
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| 18:38.30 | tensorpudding | audacious is the closest thing to what you want that is still alive |
| 18:38.30 | Jarvis | Is there a way to find out which packages pull in which dependency for a package ? |
| 18:38.31 | rue_mohr | they dont care about skins and operating it over the network and backend servers etc etc |
| 18:38.37 | abrotman | rue_mohr: zinf had that interface IIRC .. but it's dead upstream also |
| 18:38.38 | tensorpudding | what? |
| 18:38.54 | Jarvis | without manually going through each dependency manually of course |
| 18:38.54 | abrotman | Jarvis: apt-cache rdepends |
| 18:38.58 | tensorpudding | everyone i know who cared anything about winamp 2.x, myself included, cared about it mostly for the skins |
| 18:39.07 | Jarvis | thanks |
| 18:39.11 | tensorpudding | without skinnability, winamp 2 would have been junk |
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| 18:39.30 | tensorpudding | nothing that wasn't available elsewhere |
| 18:39.41 | jaakkos | joining this discussion in the middle of it, but what about xmms if you want the winamp iface? |
| 18:39.50 | abrotman | rue_mohr: at any rate .. your first steps should be trying to get xmms1 working on Debian |
| 18:39.53 | tensorpudding | xmms is dead |
| 18:39.56 | tensorpudding | long long dead |
| 18:40.05 | tensorpudding | and rue_mohr wants to become a maintainer to revive it |
| 18:40.07 | jaakkos | also 2? |
| 18:40.16 | tensorpudding | 2 is apparently a different, bloated beast |
| 18:40.16 | abrotman | xmms1 and 2 differ by miles |
| 18:40.17 | jaakkos | or is it anything like 1 |
| 18:40.19 | rue_mohr | I'm running 1.2.11 on my system now |
| 18:40.38 | abrotman | rue_mohr: which version of Debian? |
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| 18:40.59 | rue_mohr | squeeze/sid |
| 18:41.08 | rue_mohr | so says debian_version |
| 18:41.09 | abrotman | and where did you get gtk1? |
| 18:41.15 | tensorpudding | the last version to have regular old xmms in the repos would have probably be sarge |
| 18:41.18 | rue_mohr | maybe it never went away |
| 18:41.31 | abrotman | gtk1 definitely went away |
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| 18:41.50 | abrotman | waves at themill |
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| 18:42.56 | rue_mohr | I have a program I wrote called circle, its one source file, main.c would it be advantagous for me to go thru the process of making it an official package before taking on xmms? |
| 18:43.03 | Jarvis | abrotman: is there a way to do it for a package that would be installed from an upgrade ? |
| 18:43.19 | abrotman | Jarvis: eh huh? |
| 18:43.23 | wols | abrotman: here: ii libgtk1.2 1.2.10-18.1 The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X |
| 18:43.31 | wols | abrotman: don't ask me how or why it's still there... |
| 18:43.31 | abrotman | judd: versions libgtk1.2 |
| 18:43.33 | judd | Package libgtk1.2 on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.10-18.1 |
| 18:43.41 | abrotman | wols: feel better? |
| 18:43.44 | wols | abrotman: that's a fully upgraded sid :) |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | wols: just means it didn't remove it .. it's unmaintained .. |
| 18:44.05 | abrotman | it wouldn't be there for a new install |
| 18:44.12 | wols | oh, I agree |
| 18:44.22 | Jarvis | a new version of a package is pulling in grub-pc and i need to find out whats forcing it to pull it in :s |
| 18:44.26 | wols | still strange how stuff like this can linger around |
| 18:44.34 | abrotman | Jarvis: aptitude why foo |
| 18:44.45 | Jarvis | cheersa |
| 18:45.01 | jaakkos | Jarvis: still fighting grub2 migration, for a good reason? :) |
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| 18:45.03 | rue_mohr | hah lilo is prolly one of the other thigns on my comeback list... |
| 18:45.08 | Jarvis | gah thats why |
| 18:45.17 | abrotman | rue_mohr: lilo is still in Debian |
| 18:45.17 | Jarvis | thanks abrotman |
| 18:45.25 | Jarvis | jaakkos: i use grub-efi* |
| 18:45.40 | tensorpudding | rue_mohr: i don't think that they'd want you to put it in the official repos |
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| 18:45.47 | abrotman | tensorpudding: put what? |
| 18:45.52 | Jarvis | the system seems to want to pull in grub-pc over grub-efi for some reason |
| 18:45.52 | abrotman | judd: versions lilo |
| 18:45.53 | judd | Package lilo on i386 -- lenny: 1:22.8-7; squeeze: 1:22.8-10; wheezy: 1:23.2-1; sid: 1:23.2-2 |
| 18:46.01 | tensorpudding | the one-c-file app that he made called circle |
| 18:46.09 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:46.28 | nsadmin | why does it matter how many source files it it? |
| 18:46.38 | abrotman | he can do it for practice .. but unless it's a usable package ... |
| 18:47.02 | nsadmin | ahh. usable. |
| 18:47.24 | tensorpudding | well, the assumption was that it's not a useful program |
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| 18:48.54 | rypervenche | How can I determine what driver I am using for my graphics card? |
| 18:49.16 | nsadmin | tensorpudding, ahh... so, we can look at your complete statement as "they wouldn't want you to upload if it's not useful" |
| 18:49.41 | wols | rypervenche: glxinfo, Xorg.0.log |
| 18:49.50 | rypervenche | Thank you. |
| 18:50.10 | tensorpudding | well, if it was useful to him, but not really used by anyone else, it'd still be questionable utility, wouldn't it? |
| 18:50.37 | rue_mohr | shoudlnt' that be determined by popularity? |
| 18:50.53 | rue_mohr | (ok, if lilo didn't go away I wont persue that) |
| 18:51.08 | dutchfish | i think i f he find a sponsor and no rc are in it, it would work |
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| 18:51.37 | rue_mohr | is there a shortage of sponsors? |
| 18:51.59 | nsadmin | tensorpudding, if we skip to the end of the line of reasoning, are you thinking about the overall size of debian archive? |
| 18:52.01 | rue_mohr | can I become a sponsor and sponsor my own package? |
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| 18:52.23 | tensorpudding | nsadmin: partly that, i guess |
| 18:52.40 | nsadmin | why would you need a sponsor if you could sponsor your own pkgs? you'd be a dd then :) |
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| 18:53.07 | rue_mohr | I'm in the middle of nowhere, according to this, I have to meet TWO other debian members in PERSON!? |
| 18:53.14 | rue_mohr | is that a joke?! |
| 18:53.36 | nsadmin | to exchange IDs, and get your key signed, yes |
| 18:53.43 | nsadmin | oh, no. |
| 18:53.46 | nsadmin | not a joke |
| 18:54.00 | rue_mohr | so thats a $70 trip into vancouver if I'm lucky |
| 18:54.01 | dutchfish | rue_mohr, you don't need to be a dev nor maintainer, you can upload the stuff and get a sponsor RTFM |
| 18:54.15 | nsadmin | you're in bc? |
| 18:54.19 | rue_mohr | I didn't read that out of it |
| 18:54.21 | rue_mohr | yes |
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| 18:54.59 | rue_mohr | thats a whole day trip too |
| 18:56.00 | nsadmin | well you asked about sponsoring yourself |
| 18:56.19 | rue_mohr | mmm |
| 18:56.32 | nsadmin | which would have you be a dd, since it's a matter of whether or not you can upload |
| 18:56.43 | nsadmin | but being sponsored means someone else uploads |
| 18:56.48 | rypervenche | wols: I don't see a package called glxinfo |
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| 18:57.06 | rue_mohr | so a dd dosn't have to have a sponsor |
| 18:57.29 | nsadmin | correct, he can upload stuff |
| 18:57.51 | nsadmin | also, you don't need to be a dd necessarily |
| 18:58.23 | nsadmin | but the privilege of directly uploading is reserved for dds only |
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| 19:00.15 | wols | rypervenche: it's the name of a binary. packages.debian.org will help you |
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| 19:00.32 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:01.19 | rypervenche | wols: mesa-utils, thank you. |
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| 19:04.37 | rue_mohr | hmm 3 people in vancouver |
| 19:04.39 | rue_mohr | ike |
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| 19:10.19 | xeaondtaec | hi, i created a java daemon which uses jms to communicate with a jee server. problem is uses 99% cpu, how can i analyse it which part of it causes the problem? on linux debian |
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| 19:11.01 | vieq_ | hello; how do I install KDE4, this is wheezy |
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| 19:11.52 | vieq_ | unable to locate kde4 |
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| 19:12.51 | wols | !tell vieq_ about install kde |
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| 19:13.28 | vieq_ | wols++ |
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| 19:15.03 | rue_mohr | xeaondtaec, its your while(1) loop |
| 19:16.19 | rue_mohr | xeaondtaec, use select() instead |
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| 19:17.59 | xeaondtaec | rue_mohr: thanks |
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| 19:24.15 | mustard | is there a way to set the volume for different programs externally, i.e. not from the program's own settings? |
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| 19:24.31 | nkuttler | mustard: volume? |
| 19:25.09 | mustard | nkuttler: sound volume |
| 19:25.12 | sickgut | 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2 is this a strange kernel version for a openvz debian squeeze vps? |
| 19:25.36 | abrotman | sickgut: it's your VPS kernel |
| 19:25.45 | abrotman | i'd guess RH? |
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| 19:26.15 | nkuttler | mustard: man app would be a good start |
| 19:26.24 | sickgut | aaah so its the kernel of the server not the virtual server running inside it |
| 19:26.43 | sickgut | but i uname -a and still get that version |
| 19:26.53 | sickgut | the vps is debian squeeze |
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| 19:27.49 | mustard | nkuttler: app? I don't seem to have it - is it part of another package? searching for app has ridiculous results, as you might guess |
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| 19:28.17 | nkuttler | mustard: man whateverappyouretalkingabout |
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| 19:28.53 | mustard | oh, i see :-) |
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| 19:32.18 | Trewas | mustard: pulseaudio can change the volume for every program separately, if you are using it |
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| 19:33.14 | mustard | Trewas: thanks, will have a look at it |
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| 19:33.53 | mustard | didn't know if there was a gconf or even x resources settings that might sort it out - the program is TORCS, and I can't find a way to quieten it down |
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| 19:35.23 | Bushmills | mustard: you can also configure hotkeys for sound (and other), useful if the program runs full-screen, with for example xbindkeys |
| 19:35.49 | Trewas | pulseaudio is at least good for something, useful for example to stfu flash without any special hacks and without affecting other programs |
| 19:36.16 | mustard | great - just downloading pulseaudio now |
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| 19:37.18 | theseb | How pass $AA when use su below? |
| 19:37.20 | theseb | # more test |
| 19:37.22 | theseb | AA=23 |
| 19:37.24 | theseb | su seb -c 'echo $AA' |
| 19:37.26 | theseb | # sh test |
| 19:37.28 | theseb | AA: Undefined variable. |
| 19:37.28 | Bushmills | as command for hotkeys you could use st like aumix -v -2 resp. aumix -v +2 for lower/higher volume |
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| 19:41.39 | theseb | sorry...anyone answer my question?y |
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| 19:41.49 | Bushmills | what question? |
| 19:42.11 | theseb | How pass $AA when use su below? |
| 19:42.11 | theseb | # more test |
| 19:42.11 | theseb | AA=23 |
| 19:42.11 | theseb | su seb -c 'echo $AA' |
| 19:42.11 | theseb | # sh test |
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| 19:42.19 | Bushmills | grins evally |
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| 19:42.24 | Bushmills | evilly |
| 19:42.25 | theseb | Bushmills: that one |
| 19:42.44 | Bushmills | why don't you write that on a single line? |
| 19:43.11 | Bushmills | read about differences between single and double quotes |
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| 19:43.58 | Bushmills | specifically, in shell man page |
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| 19:44.31 | theseb | Bushmills: you nailed it! |
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| 19:44.45 | Bushmills | about the single line? |
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| 19:48.04 | rue_mohr | just an observation, you get a wide topic variety in here |
| 19:48.41 | theseb | Bushmills: that too :) |
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| 19:48.55 | theseb | Bushmills: i'll do the single line thing |
| 19:49.41 | babilen | rue_mohr: The topic is typically Debian and theseb would have been much better advised to ask this in #bash (just noting) |
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| 19:50.14 | Bushmills | he wasn't using bash |
| 19:50.44 | babilen | ah, ok .. (I haven't read the backlog completely) |
| 19:50.50 | classico | wtf, it's been 4 hours and debian still isn't done erasing all the data on my 250GB hard drive |
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| 19:51.05 | Bushmills | well, he might have been using it, by default. |
| 19:51.05 | rue_mohr | formatting or erasing? |
| 19:51.16 | daemonkeeper | classico: Define "erase" |
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| 19:51.27 | classico | rue_mohr, the one that happens during debian installation |
| 19:51.28 | rue_mohr | cat /dev/zero > /dev/hd-- ? |
| 19:51.32 | Bushmills | classico: why erase such number of files - recreate file system |
| 19:51.39 | classico | format + full encrypted LVM |
| 19:51.53 | rue_mohr | yea, why not format over it? |
| 19:51.59 | rue_mohr | secure data? |
| 19:51.59 | babilen | I am quite sure that it is the wipe during the creation of an encrypted volume (repeated overwrites with random bytes) |
| 19:52.08 | rue_mohr | ah |
| 19:52.10 | rue_mohr | repeated |
| 19:52.13 | rue_mohr | that'll do it |
| 19:52.15 | classico | no its a normal hard drive |
| 19:52.20 | rue_mohr | is it sata or pata? |
| 19:52.29 | classico | ubuntu takes 25 min for a complete installation |
| 19:52.45 | babilen | classico: And rest assured that is normal and it takes time to finish. I would do something nice now and keep on working tomorrow :) |
| 19:52.54 | classico | debian, well, 4 hours so far, and it did'nt even recognize my wifi |
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| 19:53.04 | rue_mohr | is the drive sata or pata? |
| 19:53.14 | classico | no idea |
| 19:53.24 | rue_mohr | is it a laptop or not? |
| 19:53.28 | classico | netbook |
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| 19:53.48 | rue_mohr | well if its a laptop then I dont know |
| 19:53.55 | rue_mohr | how old? |
| 19:54.01 | classico | 4 days |
| 19:54.03 | classico | :) |
| 19:54.05 | rue_mohr | sata |
| 19:54.30 | rue_mohr | why are you doing secure data destruction on a drive only 4 days old? |
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| 19:54.42 | rue_mohr | you work for the military? |
| 19:54.49 | classico | rue_mohr, forget about secure i-dunno-what |
| 19:54.53 | classico | i'm installing debian |
| 19:55.21 | rue_mohr | restart the install, dont choose the erase the data, just delete the partitions and create new ones |
| 19:55.27 | classico | at some points debian says "erasing data on SCSI1 bla bla bla" |
| 19:55.30 | classico | it took 4 hours |
| 19:55.36 | classico | that's it |
| 19:55.45 | classico | well now it's 98% |
| 19:55.49 | rue_mohr | it'll take 3 mins if you restart and DO NOT CHOOSE to erase the data |
| 19:55.55 | classico | no way i'm taking the risk to go for another 4 hours |
| 19:55.56 | rypervenche | ,versions xfce4-goodies |
| 19:55.56 | judd | Package xfce4-goodies on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.2; squeeze: 4.6.1.1; sid: 4.8.1 |
| 19:56.07 | rypervenche | Still not in testing :( |
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| 19:57.03 | Bac9 | rue_mohr: isn't the military standard for secure deletion to overwrite ever bit 9 times? |
| 19:57.11 | jhutchins_lt | classico: A secure erase on a large (current) drive can take days. It's the kind of thing you leave overnight, not the kind of thing you watch and wait for. |
| 19:57.35 | classico | jhutchins_lt, i did not choose any secure erase or whatever |
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| 19:57.46 | classico | everything I did, i followed the installation steps |
| 19:57.51 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: absolutely |
| 19:57.55 | Bac9 | jhutchins_lt: how are you supposed to observe every bit flipping then? if you don't observe it it might not flip and hence might not be secure :-) |
| 19:57.57 | classico | for the EXACT SAME installations steps, ubuntu took 25 min |
| 19:58.07 | babilen | classico: yeah, but the step you perform takes time. |
| 19:58.07 | classico | something's definitely wrong |
| 19:58.15 | jhutchins_lt | classico: My Debian server/desktop installs typically take the same. This is not Debian's fault. |
| 19:58.21 | babilen | classico: I am quite sure that Ubuntu did not overwrote your data repeatedly |
| 19:58.28 | babilen | *overwrite |
| 19:58.33 | rue_mohr | Bac9, I think the military insists on physical destruction |
| 19:58.59 | Bac9 | rue_mohr: what was the 9x thing then, when they deem it unrecoverable by current means? |
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| 19:59.26 | rue_mohr | dunno |
| 19:59.30 | classico | ok it's done |
| 19:59.33 | Bac9 | rue_mohr: darn those iron filings, they just don't want to loose their magnetic powers :-) |
| 19:59.52 | classico | yes military destroys |
| 19:59.55 | classico | at least in France |
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| 20:00.19 | Bac9 | classico: "we are not testing explosives, we are destroying old HDDs" :-) |
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| 20:00.45 | classico | i know :) i've seen destruction by magnetic field + press |
| 20:00.58 | Bushmills | a secure erase is to give the drive a terminator treatment |
| 20:01.21 | classico | and i'm not talking about a small press, an actual press that makes the hdd look like a coin |
| 20:01.36 | jhutchins_lt | To actually destroy the data you need to disrupt the magnetic layer on the disk, just bending or cutting the platters doesn't do it. |
| 20:01.45 | Bushmills | (dropping it into a bath of molten iron) |
| 20:01.47 | rue_mohr | Bac9, update, chromium now |
| 20:01.58 | sterna_ | Bushmills: not good enough |
| 20:02.16 | linux_probe | putting it into a vat of acid works well also |
| 20:02.21 | sterna_ | one can still read it using a simple flux capacitor and one point twentyone jiggawatts. |
| 20:02.25 | sterna_ | of something. |
| 20:02.26 | Bushmills | sterna_: because individual bits may be floating around? |
| 20:02.33 | linux_probe | haha |
| 20:02.40 | linux_probe | there'd be nothing left :-P |
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| 20:02.58 | epsilon | Bushmills: harddisc get infected by nanorobots from a hot babe terminator? |
| 20:03.29 | Bushmills | maybe - but those suffer from dissociation syndrome |
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| 20:04.42 | Bushmills | they could tally up to 54% ones and 46 % zeroes, but are stuck with the problem if putting those into a proper sequence |
| 20:04.55 | Bushmills | of |
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| 20:09.27 | Johannes_WMDE | Hi, I just moved a Debian Squeeze installation to a new partition, reinstalled grub, fixed fstab, however, the keyboard has stopped working |
| 20:09.37 | Johannes_WMDE | already reinstalled udev |
| 20:09.43 | Johannes_WMDE | to no avail. |
| 20:09.49 | jones | how can i tell whether a package was installed from source with make install or from apt |
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| 20:10.18 | Johannes_WMDE | anyone has an idea how to get the keyboard working again? I can still access the box via ssh |
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| 20:11.47 | jhutchins_lt | Johannes_WMDE: Logs. |
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| 20:12.00 | jhutchins_lt | Johannes_WMDE: See what it thinks went wrong. |
| 20:12.07 | jhutchins_lt | Johannes_WMDE: USB? PS2? |
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| 20:12.19 | xacks | asd |
| 20:12.22 | Johannes_WMDE | jhutchins: ps2 |
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| 20:12.36 | jones | okay, it seems like "dpkg -S [packagename]" does this |
| 20:12.45 | Johannes_WMDE | jhutchins: just going through dmesg |
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| 20:13.10 | jhutchins_lt | Johannes_WMDE: Does the keyboard work in grub? Does it work in rescue mode? |
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| 20:13.55 | Johannes_WMDE | jhutchins: It works in grub, as well as in windows. It does not work at the console, not even if I boot with init=/bin/bash |
| 20:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | Johannes_WMDE: Very strange. Default map? |
| 20:14.33 | Johannes_WMDE | jhutchins: When I quit gdm3 (service gdm3 stop) I do not get a console but a black screen |
| 20:14.45 | Johannes_WMDE | jhutchins: map? |
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| 20:15.09 | jhutchins_lt | Johannes_WMDE: Keyboard map. |
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| 20:15.42 | Johannes_WMDE | jhutchins: well, my local one, standard German QWERTZ |
| 20:15.51 | Johannes_WMDE | dmesg says: input: ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device as /devices/virtual/input/input4 |
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| 20:17.19 | Bushmills | Johannes_WMDE: usb keyboard? |
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| 20:17.45 | Johannes_WMDE | Bushmills: It is a ps2 keyboard, don't have usb one atm |
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| 20:19.06 | Johannes_WMDE | Bushmills: a while ago I saw an error message regarding tty devices, "unable to get parent", so I suspected udev, reinstalled udev, reinstalled the kernel, re-generated the initrd, all to no avail |
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| 20:20.57 | Bushmills | i think the module for psaux keyboards is pcips2 - not entirely sure but make sure it gets autoloaded or loaded explicitely through your /etc/modules |
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| 20:22.34 | devilchaos | hey folks |
| 20:22.55 | devilchaos | have a small prob with permissions on a few folders that id like to delete through the commandline but it returns error msgs or rather msgs that say read only filesystem and cannot be deleted usr and owner is me devil but is in group root |
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| 20:23.10 | devilchaos | im unable to change the permissions via dophin and properties and ive tried via commandline rm -rf /media/disk/* |
| 20:23.14 | Bushmills | "folders" sounds like a windows problem |
| 20:23.21 | devilchaos | under root and normal usr |
| 20:23.49 | Black_Prince | devilchaos, is that partition ntfs formated? |
| 20:24.05 | devilchaos | fatboy 32 |
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| 20:24.12 | devilchaos | lol |
| 20:24.34 | Black_Prince | devilchaos, as root # mount -o remount,rw /media/disk |
| 20:24.39 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:24.47 | devilchaos | ok trying now |
| 20:24.50 | Bushmills | " read only filesystem " might give you a clue |
| 20:25.42 | devilchaos | no didnt really but realise my mistake though |
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| 20:27.24 | Johannes_WMDE | Bushmills: Tried, rebooted, still the same, keyboard is still dead |
| 20:29.15 | devilchaos | amazing all fixed thanks for the help much appreciated |
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| 20:29.48 | Bushmills | Johannes_WMDE: not sure how to debug that - with ssh access, you could look whether number of int 1 occurances change with each keystroke |
| 20:30.46 | Johannes_WMDE | Bushmills: I'm not sure what it is you suggest.. |
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| 20:31.36 | Bushmills | run, for example, watch -n 0 cat /proc/interrupts then hit keys and look at the numbers behind 1: |
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| 20:32.08 | larsduesing | Hi together! |
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| 20:32.15 | Jayro | hello, I am having some trouble with skype. I can see my webcam, but not my partners. Could anyone help me with this? |
| 20:32.37 | larsduesing | is there anybody with knowledge about openswan? |
| 20:32.47 | Bushmills | the sum should increment by two for each complete keystroke (make+break) |
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| 20:33.05 | Bushmills | Jayro: microsoft may be able to |
| 20:33.06 | Johannes_WMDE | Bushmills: Interestingly there is no 1: |
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| 20:33.23 | Johannes_WMDE | Bushmills: there is 0:, followed by 6: |
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| 20:33.39 | Jayro | Bushmills, lol true. However id prefer help from linux users who know what they are doing |
| 20:33.45 | guylhem | hello |
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| 20:33.57 | Jayro | so can anyone help me? |
| 20:34.25 | Bushmills | Johannes_WMDE: that may be a clue, but i wouldn't know how to proceed from there |
| 20:34.36 | guylhem | I've read the debian linux kernel handbook but I don't undertsand how to use apply/debian |
| 20:34.52 | Bushmills | ,versions skype |
| 20:34.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'skype' was found in i386. |
| 20:35.00 | Bushmills | Jayro: ^^^ |
| 20:35.02 | guylhem | on my machine: cd /usr/src/linux/linux-source-2.6.32 |
| 20:35.10 | Jayro | Bushmills, ? |
| 20:35.29 | leakcim | ,versions nast |
| 20:35.30 | judd | Package nast on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.0-5; squeeze: 0.2.0-5; sid: 0.2.0-5.1; wheezy: 0.2.0-5.1 |
| 20:35.46 | guylhem | ../kernel-patches/all/2.5.32/apply/debian/2.6.32-5 gives me : "Error target revision is not in our list of revisions" |
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| 20:36.44 | guylhem | I just want to reproduce in /usr/src a kernel sourcetree identical to the default kernel on debian amd64 |
| 20:37.55 | Johannes_WMDE | Bushmills: thanks, is the content of /proc entirely generated by the kernel or are any userspace programmes involved? |
| 20:37.55 | Bushmills | guylhem: copying kernel config from /boot to /usr/src/linux*/.config should get you there |
| 20:38.12 | guylhem | Bushmills: I did that but I get a 2.6.32 |
| 20:38.16 | guylhem | not a 2.6.32-5 |
| 20:38.25 | guylhem | so I guess I'm also missing the various debian bugfixes |
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| 20:38.47 | Bushmills | Johannes_WMDE: kernel, though user space programs may be the cause for kernel to add or change entries in /proc |
| 20:39.28 | Bushmills | guylhem: you must also install the proper kernel sources |
| 20:39.55 | guylhem | Bushmills: kernel sources have been installed by apt-get and untarrred in usr/src |
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| 20:40.58 | Bushmills | guylhem: ah, "reproduce kernel source tree" .. sorry, i truncated that to "kernel" |
| 20:41.03 | wols | guylhem: what was your apt-get line to install them? |
| 20:41.05 | Black_Prince | guylhem, what package did you install? |
| 20:41.14 | Black_Prince | I am guessing linux-source-2.6 .. :/ |
| 20:41.24 | guylhem | yes I did both |
| 20:41.31 | wols | guylhem: please answer me |
| 20:41.36 | Johannes_WMDE | Bushmills: When I grep syslog files for "Keyboard" I find these lines in the latest ones: input: ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device as /devices/virtual/input/input4 |
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| 20:41.54 | guylhem | wo: linux-source-2.6.32 |
| 20:41.55 | Black_Prince | guylhem, you need to install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-arch, eg linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 for x86 architecture |
| 20:42.12 | Johannes_WMDE | Bushmills: in the older ones it is input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0 |
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| 20:42.19 | guylhem | wols: linux-source-2.6.332 linux-tools-2.6.32 linux-support-2.6.32-5 |
| 20:42.27 | wols | guylhem: that is not an answer to my question. have your own way. good day |
| 20:42.35 | guylhem | apt-get install |
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| 20:43.33 | Johannes_WMDE | Bushmills: and indeed, the directory "i8042" is missing in /sys/devices/platform |
| 20:43.34 | TimmyT | Behrad, r u there? |
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| 20:45.00 | guylhem | wols: I'll find a way. thanks anyway for your patience with a copy paste |
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| 20:45.52 | sifi_ | when I startx on my nfsboot my keyboard and mouse stop working, Any particular reason why this occurs? |
| 20:45.54 | Black_Prince | guylhem, I guess you did not read anyone else. I told you before that you need linux-headers-2.6.32-5-arch, eg linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 for x86 architecture |
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| 20:46.00 | twanny796 | please link me to the repos list |
| 20:46.17 | wols | !tell twanny796 about sources.list |
| 20:46.19 | Black_Prince | !sources.list |
| 20:46.23 | Black_Prince | ehm |
| 20:46.28 | guylhem | Black_Prince: I'll install the headers |
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| 20:46.36 | guylhem | but I was more worried about the patchlevel |
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| 20:48.07 | guylhem | oops I see your point - the python script may be expecting the headers to apply the patches to the sourcetree |
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| 20:49.10 | Black_Prince | guylhem, I did not get what you want. You want to rebuild kernel with some patches added? |
| 20:49.24 | guylhem | Black_Prince: sorry maybe I was not being specific |
| 20:49.41 | guylhem | I want to have in /usr/src/linux a sourcetree identical to the running kernel |
| 20:49.47 | guylhem | ie 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 20:50.20 | Black_Prince | guylhem, why would you need that anyways? |
| 20:50.37 | lapsusbrutus | anyone have set abcde to autorun? wondering where to start looking for a good idea |
| 20:50.41 | guylhem | so that I may move modules into the kernel and apply patches |
| 20:50.53 | guylhem | without diverting too much from the default kernel |
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| 20:51.05 | Black_Prince | So you want to rebuild kernel at all .. |
| 20:51.16 | guylhem | at a point, yes |
| 20:51.34 | guylhem | but for the moment I'm stuck to the "applying patches" step :-) |
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| 20:52.35 | Black_Prince | guylhem, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
| 20:52.56 | guylhem | exactly what I'm reading AM |
| 20:52.57 | guylhem | ATM |
| 20:53.36 | guylhem | I see wols point with apt-get source but my connection is quite slow- may or may not work. I will see in 30 min :-/ |
| 20:54.04 | guylhem | that's sad considering I have the tarball for 2.6.32 and the various patches in kernel-patches |
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| 21:00.18 | guylhem | BTW with the headers installed, from linux-source-2.6.32, I still get "error: target revision is not in our list of revisions" |
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| 21:02.33 | asarch | No matter what I do, I get: W: Error de GPG: http://ftp.debian.org stable Release: Las siguientes firms fueron inválidas: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 21:02.51 | asarch | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key AED4B06F473041FA |
| 21:03.06 | asarch | gpg --export --armor AED4B06F473041FA | apt-key add - |
| 21:03.14 | asarch | And it doesn't work |
| 21:03.30 | wols | !tell asarch about key |
| 21:03.31 | zapadlo | asarch Do you run it as root? |
| 21:03.40 | asarch | Yes, I do |
| 21:03.49 | guylhem | asarch: is your time/date correct? |
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| 21:04.12 | gary_golden | What is corret syntax to apt-get oldstable source? I'm trying 'apt-get source pptpd/oldstable' and get http://pastebin.com/YgrfU3i1 . There is a record in source.list exists: http://pastebin.com/rKjMjRSs |
| 21:04.48 | wols | gary_golden: -t oldstable ? |
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| 21:05.04 | asarch | Yeah, they are |
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| 21:05.21 | gary_golden | wols: ends with the same result |
| 21:05.28 | asarch | dom jun 19 16:05:42 CDT 2011 |
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| 21:06.53 | wols | gary_golden: replace oldstable with lenny both times? |
| 21:07.25 | asarch | Should I delete all the installed keys? |
| 21:07.31 | asarch | To start over? |
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| 21:07.56 | wols | asarch: just install the package dpkg told you about |
| 21:07.57 | gary_golden | wols: yep. I'm sure that package list is downloaded: Get: 13 http://ftp.debian.org oldstable/non-free Sources [48.8 kB] |
| 21:08.11 | asarch | It is already installed |
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| 21:08.30 | asarch | i debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:09.07 | asarch | emdebian-archive-keyring? |
| 21:09.07 | wols | gary_golden: main is the important thing, not non-free |
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| 21:10.45 | gary_golden | wols: well, main is retreived as well :) Get: 11 http://ftp.debian.org oldstable/main Sources [2,310 kB] |
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| 21:12.20 | wols | ,versions pptpd |
| 21:12.20 | judd | Package pptpd on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.4-2.1; squeeze: 1.3.4-3; sid: 1.3.4-5; wheezy: 1.3.4-5 |
| 21:12.34 | wols | gary_golden: why do you want it from oldstable again? |
| 21:12.37 | asarch | ,versions debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:12.37 | judd | Package debian-archive-keyring on i386 -- lenny: 2010.08.28~lenny1; sid: 2010.08.28; squeeze: 2010.08.28; wheezy: 2010.08.28 |
| 21:12.57 | asarch | BTW, I am on AMD64 |
| 21:13.32 | gary_golden | wols: my VPS provider runs lenny, I want to customize a package |
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| 21:14.08 | gary_golden | apt-get source pptpd=1.3.4-2.1 works |
| 21:14.12 | guylhem | anyone with an idea on how to boot or install debian in a file within a NTFS filesystem? (on a work machine which I am not allowed to repartition but allowed to experiment with, it has a /dev/sda1 of 100Mb enough for a /boot - I figured I could create a 10G file with dd, losetup and mkfs it ) |
| 21:14.54 | gary_golden | could it be a bug in apt-get ? |
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| 21:16.10 | Bushmills | guylhem: can you boot from usb stick? |
| 21:16.36 | guylhem | Bushmills: yes it's already working, but I don't have enough USB sticks for all the machines :-/ |
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| 21:17.26 | guylhem | I've a debian amd64 on a usb stick - works on most machines (a few may need some kernel patches) |
| 21:17.42 | Bushmills | loop mounting an ext file system on ntfs partition to which your system is installed, then chrooting to it from usb boot ... |
| 21:18.23 | guylhem | Bushmills: that's exactly the idea. is there an easy way to do in on debian initrd? |
| 21:18.59 | Bushmills | or maybe you could add a router which you configure as boot server, and let the machines netboot |
| 21:19.12 | guylhem | the tftp server will be next :-) |
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| 21:19.28 | guylhem | for now I'll just show it works and does not cause problems |
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| 21:19.35 | Bushmills | dnsmasq you will like. |
| 21:19.51 | Bushmills | dhcpd, tftp and dns proxy in one program |
| 21:20.43 | guylhem | I've found some great doc on http://gabeortiz.net/2009/debian-diskless-cluster-howto/ |
| 21:21.00 | guylhem | for now I'm tweaking initrd /init. |
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| 21:21.17 | guylhem | I guess my mods will g before "chain to real filesystem" |
| 21:22.37 | Bushmills | btw, you say you're not allowed to *repartition* but you said nothing about not being allowed to replace the ntfs file system |
| 21:22.51 | guylhem | thinks a sunday at work to experiment with mac booting debian is a fun way to live |
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| 21:25.22 | guylhem | Bushmills: I guess they wouldn't like it on monday morning :-) |
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| 21:26.41 | Bushmills | i'd think of backupping the ntfs parition, creating an ext4, installing linux, and for good measure loop mounting an ntfs file system onto which the files from the backupped original partition will be copied |
| 21:27.24 | Bushmills | the 100 MiB is maybe a bit small for swap, but better than nothing. add more swap from a file on your data partition |
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| 21:27.50 | guylhem | then fixing the boot.ini, the offset hardcoded in the ntfs partition, and chntpw to fix the mounteddevices registery stuff. I though about that too |
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| 21:28.14 | guylhem | but for a start a simple will do - then dnsmasq will be better |
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| 21:28.30 | Bushmills | or simply plug in a usb hard drive |
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| 21:28.53 | guylhem | I don't have enough usb keys/hd for 6 machines :-) |
| 21:29.36 | guylhem | and they are macs so it's another can of work with the EFI part (but that works with grub2) |
| 21:30.07 | Bushmills | one drive is enough with netbooting |
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| 21:34.18 | guylhem | after downloading 2 kernel tarballs on a 60 ko/s connection to get the debian/rules step, I finally have the /usr/src/linux |
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| 21:35.32 | blackshirt | that great's |
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| 21:37.16 | reportingsjr | Hi, I have a debian squeeze install disc and I'm trying to put it on a computer. The computer has bios raid for two drives, but when I use the graphical installer the partion step lists them individually. How can I install debian on the raid setup? |
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| 21:41.07 | dutchfish | reportingsjr, not. The kernel does not use the softraid from a bios, disable it and use dmraid instead. |
| 21:42.22 | guylhem | Well I may have talked too soon. insmod replies "invalid module format" |
| 21:42.41 | blackshirt | guylhem: use modprobe instead |
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| 21:42.58 | guylhem | and strings on the .ko show a vermagic different from stock modules |
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| 21:44.08 | guylhem | I guess that my sourcetree is still not identical. That or the steps are not putting the proper EXTRAVERSION in the kernel Makefile |
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| 21:45.06 | blackshirt | guyhelm: what are you doing about ? |
| 21:45.34 | guylhem | trying to compile modules using a sourcetree identical to the debian default kernel on amd64 |
| 21:46.09 | guylhem | I tried sucessively the chapter 4.1 and chapter 4.2 instructions of the debian linux kernel handbook and I still don't get it |
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| 21:47.40 | astory_ | is there a way to remove packages like hamster-daemon without having all the other useful gnome packages removed on the next autoremove? |
| 21:47.51 | astory_ | (and without manually marking them all for keeping?) |
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| 21:49.34 | Bushmills | astory_: toggle the state of the other packages from auto to manual |
| 21:49.54 | astory_ | Bushmills: do I have to do that manually, or can I say, "every package pulled in by the gnome metapackage, mark as manual"? |
| 21:50.56 | Bushmills | astory_: as you said, "useful packages" - there is no way the installer can make that decision for you what you consider useful |
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| 21:51.14 | Bushmills | so *you* toggle the state of those you consider useful |
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| 21:51.20 | astory_ | Bushmills: I understand that. Is there a way to do so in bulk? |
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| 21:51.50 | Bushmills | not to my knowledge. interactive mode of aptitude should have a hotkey for it |
| 21:52.00 | astory_ | ok, thanks :D |
| 21:52.15 | astory_ | I may wind up scripting it |
| 21:52.58 | dutchfish | astory_, i think ther emight be another way, depending on the quatity of the packages to keep |
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| 21:53.41 | astory_ | It looks like apt-mark will let me mark packages in bulk if I hand it a list, which is almost as good |
| 21:53.55 | dutchfish | astory_, i use snapshot.debian.org sometimes pinned on a specific date, till the next point where i want to be, the difs can be scripted for pinning and holding if needed. |
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| 21:54.27 | astory_ | interesting |
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| 21:57.02 | astory_ | heh, another solution is to make fake packages that supply the dependency but are empty... |
| 21:57.23 | Surlent777 | Hello; I was hoping someone could advise me a bit. I'm running a PC with the infamous Intel 8xxx family, and upgraded from lenny to squeeze. X did its hateful freezing, so following advice in a forum thread I upgraded to a backport kernel and grabbed the drivers from testing. Now the mouse cursor is stuck on random forms (either a hand or "hourglass") and logging out results in a totally black screen. Any ideas? |
| 21:57.25 | dutchfish | astory_, well, then consider equiv's |
| 21:57.36 | astory_ | why does the gnome metapackage have all these aps as dependencies and not as recommends or suggests? |
| 21:57.40 | astory_ | dutchfish: yeah, that's what it suggested |
| 21:57.47 | astory_ | I may just delete them from my menu :/ |
| 21:58.25 | blackshirt | Surlent777: what intel chipset series do you have ? |
| 21:58.31 | blackshirt | exactly ? |
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| 21:59.18 | Surlent777 | blackshirt: 82845G |
| 22:00.00 | blackshirt | i think, you have same problem like me.. exactly with that series |
| 22:00.41 | blackshirt | Surlen777: yeah... |
| 22:00.45 | Surlent777 | blackshirt: This chipset managed to break two versions of Ubuntu as well; that's why I was using Lenny in the first place. I figured after a solid year and a half it was time for an upgrade. =/ |
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| 22:01.30 | blackshirt | intel driver for this series has a problem, not spesific to debian.. |
| 22:02.10 | blackshirt | Surlent777: it randomly freeze my system.. |
| 22:02.27 | IanWizard-Cloud | I'm having some issues with DPKG / APT I'm trying to remove a package (exim4-daemon-light), but it keeps failing because of a problem with the pre-removal script. Isn't there any way to force this? |
| 22:02.29 | Surlent777 | blackshirt: It was doing that to me, and now it's just being obnoxious, I think. |
| 22:02.56 | Surlent777 | blackshirt: but obnoxious enough to drive me mad |
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| 22:03.15 | blackshirt | Surlent777: try to add nomodeset option on kernel command line and boot |
| 22:03.54 | blackshirt | Surlent777: or try to use vesa or fbdev drivers for xorg server |
| 22:04.25 | Surlent777 | blackshirt: what are the downsides to fbdev or vesa? |
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| 22:05.23 | guylhem | adding CONFIG_LOCALVERSION to .config at least gives a matching version, but module_layout symbol is causing problems |
| 22:05.43 | blackshirt | i think, fbdev / vesa was like generic driver, you would not get GL acceleration, |
| 22:06.26 | blackshirt | Surlent777: but, it works normally |
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| 22:06.41 | Surlent777 | blackshirt: So I imagine YouTube would be a bit less pleasant...okay, I'll give that nomodeset bit a try first. Thanks. |
| 22:11.19 | blackshirt | Surlen777: yeah, |
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| 22:13.57 | Craig` | hey guys, when i try and run apt-get update i get " |
| 22:14.04 | Craig` | W: Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/main/binary-armel/Packages 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 206.12.19.9 80] |
| 22:14.05 | astory_ | dutchfish: aptitude keep-all is also a sloppy solution to my issue |
| 22:15.03 | babilen | Craig`: It moved -- see http://backports.debian.org for details |
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| 22:16.02 | Craig` | thanks babilen |
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| 22:17.04 | babilen | Craig`: no problem :) |
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| 22:17.37 | boudiccas | is there a deb version of libreoffice for squeeze please? |
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| 22:18.16 | boudiccas | i mean in the repos? |
| 22:18.24 | babilen | no |
| 22:18.32 | babilen | ,versions libreoffice |
| 22:18.33 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.3.2-2; sid: 1:3.3.3-1 |
| 22:18.40 | lapsusbrutus | I have installed and configured abcde to work without questions.. now I need to make linux execute 'abcde' each time a cd is put in.. how should I do that? |
| 22:18.49 | babilen | boudiccas: But you can snatch if from backports -- /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 22:21.14 | boudiccas | thanks babilen |
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| 22:22.13 | Craig` | babilen: i'm wanting to install ruby, i'm running apt-get install and it complains about broken packages etc, http://pastie.org/2093289 would you mind helping me? i've trie'd with --fix-missing etc and when i try and install libreadline-ruby1.8 it complains about ruby1.8 and never ending cycle |
| 22:22.26 | dclarke | I am trying to install debian on my machine here but every time I choose a network mirror it says that the architecture is not on that mirror. This is a ppc system. Is there one central location where the squeeze packages will reside for intsall to ppc ? |
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| 22:22.57 | babilen | boudiccas: Read the instructions and make the changes to your sources.list. Having done that execute "aptitude update" and install libreoffice with "aptitude -t squeeze-backports libreoffice" (or a smaller package such as libreoffice-writer) |
| 22:23.30 | babilen | !tell Craig` -about bat |
| 22:23.58 | babilen | Craig`: Could you paste all the information just mentioned by dpkg? Yes? Wonderful ... :) |
| 22:24.31 | babilen | boudiccas: argh, forgote the "install" -- make that "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install libreoffice" |
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| 22:25.27 | Furai` | Bye. :) |
| 22:25.28 | Gunni | how do i find a key to add for a certain repo? |
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| 22:25.50 | boudiccas | babilen; i dont think that i'l bother thanks as i'm running libreoffice 3.4.0 with no problems, and the backports one is of a previous version of LO |
| 22:26.01 | Gunni | i need to add: http://php53.dotdeb.org/ but i have no idea how to add their signature |
| 22:26.04 | babilen | Gunni: All Debian keys are in the "debian-archive-keyring" package |
| 22:26.16 | babilen | boudiccas: fair enough :) |
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| 22:26.30 | streuner_ | dpkg, dotdeb |
| 22:26.31 | dpkg | dotdeb is, like, for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
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| 22:26.47 | babilen | streuner_: ta, just about to !tell Gunni about it. |
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| 22:27.00 | babilen | Gunni: Do *not* use dotdeb (it voids warranty) |
| 22:27.05 | Gunni | aw |
| 22:27.10 | streuner_ | babilen: ok |
| 22:27.25 | Gunni | but debians servers don't have php5-fpm |
| 22:27.36 | Craig` | babilen: there you go http://pastie.org/2093314 |
| 22:27.45 | babilen | Craig`: thanks |
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| 22:28.09 | Gunni | dpkg, backports |
| 22:28.10 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 22:29.10 | babilen | Craig`: ugh ... Ok, you might have a big problem. You are running a lenny system, but you have "stable" in your sources.list. As squeeze has been released packages from stable now are squeeze packages. I would strongly recommend to change "stable" to "lenny" in your sources.list and run "aptitude update" |
| 22:29.33 | Craig` | righto, i'll do that now |
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| 22:30.15 | babilen | Craig`: Have you installed anything from squeeze yet? It would also be a great idea to update the system to squeeze. It is of uttermost importance that you follow the release notes or that you make sure that you *at least* follow the steps in "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" |
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| 22:31.00 | Craig` | babilen: not sure if i've installed anything from squeeze, basically this is a plug computer and debian came preinstalled so i'm not too familiar with the system. |
| 22:31.11 | babilen | Craig`: The squeeze-backports are also redundant. Please make sure that you have a healthy lenny system first and upgrade that to squeeze. We can take it from there. |
| 22:31.36 | Craig` | (aptitude update worked fine) |
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| 22:31.53 | babilen | Craig`: Ok, no problem. I hope if it not beyond repair yet :) Could you give me the output of "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" and "cat /etc/debian_version" ? |
| 22:31.59 | babilen | Craig`: wonderful ;) |
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| 22:32.43 | babilen | Craig`: That is the reason why we advise people to use the actual names in their sources.list so they do not run into problems once a new version has been released. |
| 22:33.32 | Craig` | http://pastie.org/2093343 |
| 22:33.47 | Craig` | babilen: i see, i'm actually thinking about doing a clean install |
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| 22:35.26 | babilen | Craig`: Ok, that looks like squeeze. It might either be already be upgraded to squeeze or the lenny entries in your sources.list are just wrong. One second, I'll be back in a second. |
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| 22:36.04 | Craig` | Righto, thanks. |
| 22:36.35 | babilen | Craig`: You have quite a hodgepodge of sources :) -- Please replace lenny with squeeze in your sources and run "aptitude search ~U", "uname -a" and "aptitude search ~o" -- I'll give you feedback in a sec. |
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| 22:36.59 | babilen | ah, don't forget to 'aptitude update' after altering the sources.list |
| 22:37.03 | Gunni | so if i understand it correctly, i can add a deb url for backports and it will not affect packages unless i apt-get -t ... them to install them, is that right? |
| 22:37.09 | lapsusbrutus | anyone used ivman that knows if this is ok to use in 2011 ;) depends on hal |
| 22:37.18 | Craig` | babilen: yeah i already updated |
| 22:37.26 | Craig` | as i said, it worked fine with no errors |
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| 22:38.38 | Qation | Hi, I'm on squeeze and experiancing a very annoying bug. Whenever I have to enter my password for gnome-keyring, my computer just crashes and goes back to the gdm prompt. It also randomly asks me to unlock the key ring when I'm using chrome |
| 22:38.44 | Qation | Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 22:39.45 | blackshirt | my onboard intel 82845G series can't capable running gnome-shell, Is that true, ?? or we need specific config on xorg.conf ?? |
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| 22:42.23 | magyar | hi, is there a gui cvs client for squeeze? |
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| 22:43.46 | babilen | Craig`: Ok, can you paste your (updated) sources.list, the commands I gave above and the installation attempt again? |
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| 22:45.10 | Qation | Can anyone help? |
| 22:45.25 | babilen | Craig`: You almost certainly want to remove irb1.8 as well as this package is no longer in squeeze. The output of "aptitude -fs install" would come in handy too :) |
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| 22:47.16 | babilen | magyar: viewvc comes to mind. But why not take the chance to switch to a contemporary VCS? |
| 22:48.17 | magyar | babilen, thanks. I asked the managment to switch to svn or git but was ignored |
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| 22:49.02 | Dudda | ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ Wow! ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ |
| 22:50.27 | Craig` | babilen: http://pastie.org/2093407 |
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| 22:51.34 | babilen | Craig`: ok, looks fine (you could do that - just remove or -s) -- but i'll wait for the rest |
| 22:52.07 | kaolc2 | I'm primarily a Windows user, seriously considering changing to Debian right now. Any advice or things I should know? |
| 22:52.35 | babilen | magyar: Well, I wish you good luck. |
| 22:53.00 | babilen | kaolc2: Have you used Linux before? |
| 22:54.37 | kaolc2 | babilen: yes, mainly Ubuntu |
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| 22:55.46 | babilen | kaolc2: Ok ... Not sure what to tell you. You are probably well advised if I tell you how to install and use Debian. There are various ways to install it which mainly depend on your setup. Do you have a working network connection when you install? |
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| 22:55.55 | tensorpudding | kaolc2: debian has a lot of similarities with ubuntu |
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| 22:56.11 | Bhavicp | ubuntu is madefrom debian |
| 22:56.50 | kaolc2 | babilen: yes, I do have a working wireless connection and I intend to use Unetbootin and a USB stick for the installation.. |
| 22:57.28 | Craig` | thanks for the help babilen but i have to go. |
| 22:57.30 | babilen | kaolc2: Ok, wireless connection could be problematic as the installer does not (yet) support WPA -- Can you connect via ethernet? Also unetbootin is not necessary. |
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| 22:57.39 | babilen | !tell kaolc2 -about usb install |
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| 22:58.05 | babilen | Craig`: Sure, no problem. Come back when you want to continue. Have a nice day/night! |
| 22:58.05 | kaolc2 | babilen: I'll just set it to unencrypted for an hour, I don't live in a big city and trust my neighbors anyway. |
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| 22:58.46 | babilen | kaolc2: Fair enough. It might be that your wireless adaptor needs firmware and I would therefore advise you to either use the firmware images or a CD1 of your choice. |
| 22:58.50 | babilen | !tell kaolc2 -about firmware image |
| 22:58.55 | babilen | !tell kaolc2 -about various cd1 |
| 22:59.45 | babilen | kaolc2: You might want to take a look at the installation guide -- /msg dpkg ig -- or the Debian reference -- /msg dpkg reference ... Apart from that, I don't think you'll have problems. |
| 23:00.07 | babilen | kaolc2: (Assuming that your hardware is supported by the kernel in squeeze that is) |
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| 23:00.23 | kaolc2 | babilen: Alright then, thanks a lot.. I'll say goodbye to old Windows now then. |
| 23:00.33 | kaolc2 | how long do you think the installation will take? |
| 23:01.45 | babilen | kaolc2: Depends on your network connection and your decisions during the installation. It might, for example, take quite some time (~4-8h) to wipe the harddrive if you choose to encrypt it. Apart form that I would say, 1-2h (assuming a moderately fast connection) |
| 23:01.57 | babilen | could be faster if you rush it. |
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| 23:02.43 | babilen | kaolc2: Ah, another thing pops into my mind. Do you know which desktop environment you want to install? And you should be aware that sudo is typically not configured on new installation and you have to work as root. (or configure sudo) |
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| 23:03.19 | kaolc2 | babilen: Okay thanks.. I think I'll wait until tomorrow, it's 1 AM here. I know all about encryption and decryption taking a long time, just spent 8 hours decrypting from a truecrypt full disk encryption so it wouldn't complicate things |
| 23:03.31 | cheasee | please join #truecrypt for truecrypt related questions :) |
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| 23:03.38 | kaolc2 | I didn't ask any :) |
| 23:04.06 | kaolc2 | babilen: No, I'm not sure which desktop environment I want to install, any good reads on it? |
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| 23:04.34 | babilen | kaolc2: Ok, just want to let you know that *I* typically do not install the "Desktop" task during the installation as this pulls in a lot of packages I don't want. I install the basic system (essentially standard task+maybe laptop) and install the rest manually. |
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| 23:05.13 | kaolc2 | babilen: what am I missing out on when I don't pick the desktop version? |
| 23:05.31 | babilen | kaolc2: Well, I would say that gnome is a good choice (same as Ubuntu) and you can explore the others later on. If you download the netinstall or the standard cd1 you'll get a fairly complete gnome installation. You might actually want to do that. |
| 23:05.58 | kaolc2 | and since I'm a first-time user and have enough disk space it might make things more simple if I have everything from the beginning |
| 23:06.03 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:06.23 | kaolc2 | babilen: Do you think I should just get cd1 then? |
| 23:06.38 | babilen | kaolc2: Ah, its OK. We shouldn't make it harder than it is. It is just that I personally know exactly which programs/packages I want and build the system from the ground up. It might be good for you though to have a more or less complete installation and we can help you to remove things later on if you wish. |
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| 23:07.35 | babilen | kaolc2: CD1 is certainly fine, but so is the netinstall. The CD1 has the advantage that you can install a complete system with desktop environment without network connection. (in case that turns out to be a problem) |
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| 23:08.14 | kaolc2 | babilen: I think I'll just attempt the netinstall then, it seems simple enough.. Thanks for all your help. |
| 23:08.28 | babilen | kaolc2: yeah, get the firmware images -- /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 23:08.46 | babilen | kaolc2: And just come back if you have problems. I am running out of ideas what else I could tell you :) |
| 23:08.47 | lapsusbrutus | I have installed and configured abcde to work without questions.. now I need to make linux execute 'abcde' each time a cd is put in.. how should I do that? Tried ivman but no luck so far :\ |
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| 23:09.03 | babilen | kaolc2: Have fun tomorrow and have a good night! |
| 23:09.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | good night? must be yesterday *g* |
| 23:09.33 | kaolc2 | babilen: I will do, thanks. I must say I feel most welcome, but I really gotta go as it's late. Thanks again ^^ |
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| 23:16.54 | guylhem | my modules still don't work. they "disagree about version of symbol module_layout". |
| 23:16.57 | guylhem | any idea? |
| 23:17.02 | abrotman | where did you get them? |
| 23:17.34 | guylhem | compiling them following chapter 4.2 of debian kernel handbook to get the source, then doing make menuconfig |
| 23:18.12 | guylhem | if I follow chapter 4.1, same problem. I'm using the default config-2.6.32-amd64 |
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| 23:24.02 | abrotman | guylhem: i meant, where did you get the modules? |
| 23:24.08 | abrotman | and did you recreate your initrd too ? |
| 23:24.28 | guylhem | the modules are from the kernel I'm tring to compile- made with make modules |
| 23:25.14 | guylhem | I'm still running debian default kernel. I just want to add some modules from the default kernel that have been selected out and include others within the bzimage |
| 23:25.17 | guylhem | nothing fancy |
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| 23:25.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | you'[re going to great lengths not to answer teh question aren't you |
| 23:25.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | *g* |
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| 23:26.21 | guylhem | Kamping_Kaiser: the modules come from /usr/src/linux-2.2-2.6.32 if you prefer |
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| 23:28.08 | guylhem | I'm trying to understand why they are not compatible with the default kernel - something in the compilation result in a difference on module_layout according to dmesg, thus preventing insmod |
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| 23:48.28 | guylhem | something funny too - the default config compile modules with debug options, while judging by their size those in /lib/mobules wherent or where stripped |
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| 23:52.58 | astory_ | apt-add-repository on a ppa crashes in sid, where should I report the problem? http://paste.debian.net/120399/ |
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| 23:53.11 | astory_ | (or check to see if it already has been filed) |
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| 23:54.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | astory_: apt-add-repository isn'[t a command in debian |
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| 23:55.25 | astory_ | Kamping_Kaiser: it's in my path :/ |
| 23:55.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | astory_: are you on testing? i just foudn it using http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python-software-properties |
| 23:55.52 | astory_ | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm on sid |
| 23:56.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | astory_: ok. i'm willing to bet it exploded because ppa doesn't understand debian codenames |
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| 23:58.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | astory_: to check if a bug hsa been filed visit bugs.debian.org/packagename |
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| 23:59.22 | thepro4e1er | how do i reclaim my nick name? |
| 23:59.39 | thepro4e1er | my terminal crashed but my old nick is still hanging around |
| 23:59.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | thepro4e1er: on irc? #freenode is a better place for those sort of questions |