| 00:00.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | thepro4e1er: but try /ghost :) |
| 00:00.16 | astory_ | Kamping_Kaiser: is there an easy way to determine which package provides the binary? |
| 00:00.29 | thepro4e1er | ? |
| 00:00.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | astory_: dpkg -S `which binaryname` |
| 00:00.45 | thepro4e1er | well i did the ghost thing and nothing happened |
| 00:00.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | astory_: or the link i provided above ;) |
| 00:00.49 | astory_ | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
| 00:01.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
| 00:01.12 | thepro4ever | woooo |
| 00:01.14 | astory_ | Kamping_Kaiser: oh, I wasn't sure if that was current. Regardless, knowing dpkg -S will be more useful in the future |
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| 00:01.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | astory_: indeed. apt-file is a neat utility too, but you'll have to install that if you want it |
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| 00:16.35 | mplabs | Hello |
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| 00:18.29 | IdleOne | pfifo: this is #debian, if you have questions about debian mailing list you should ask in here or perhaps take a look at the debian website for more info. stop asking in #ubuntu. We don't know. |
| 00:19.34 | pfifo | IdleOne, :) your more technical than a lisp language |
| 00:19.42 | abrotman | you're |
| 00:19.46 | IdleOne | ^ |
| 00:21.21 | pfifo | ok then , as a ubuntu user, I am looking for a good source for debain news, bug reports, and everything else debian related that dosent reuire me to give 2 cents about debian. I just need a good automated delivery of whats going on in my inbox everyday |
| 00:21.48 | pfifo | there should be a q in there |
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| 00:21.54 | IdleOne | what OS you use has nothing to do with mailing lists and which are good. |
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| 00:22.28 | IdleOne | the question is clearly a debian question, like I told you in PM would you ask a Ford salesman where to buy a Toyota. |
| 00:22.41 | pfifo | no i wouldnt |
| 00:22.43 | abrotman | pfifo: lists.debian.org has a decent breakdown |
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| 00:23.24 | abrotman | pfifo: but your question is kind of vague .. there are a large number of mailing lists... "news" is vague .. there is developer news, stable nbews, project news .. etc |
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| 00:25.59 | pfifo | abrotman, my question is not vague at all, im asking if there was only one that i should subscribe to, what would be the most relevant to the ubuntu project? (one mailing list) + (one user) + (one question) = ? |
| 00:26.26 | abrotman | i didn't see your original question ... |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | wait, you want to know which Debian lists are relevant to Ubuntu ? |
| 00:26.49 | IdleOne | the most relevant mailing list concerning Ubuntu would be an ubuntu mailing list |
| 00:27.02 | IdleOne | dude you are seriously acting like a jerk |
| 00:27.38 | IdleOne | I am going to remove myself from this discussion before I go off and tell you what I really think. |
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| 00:28.11 | pfifo | IdleOne, i dont mean to be, im disconnecting, im definatly in the wrong. |
| 00:28.20 | pfifo | sorry |
| 00:28.30 | abrotman | pfifo: FWIW, there is a debian-grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:28.48 | IdleOne | abrotman: sorry if I cut you off and he quit before you could answer. |
| 00:28.51 | abrotman | it's okay |
| 00:28.57 | abrotman | it probably wasn't what he really wanted :) |
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| 00:29.38 | abrotman | and no, there's not only one :) |
| 00:29.38 | IdleOne | well asking in #ubuntu about debian lists and then coming here and saying he wants debian list relevant to Ubuntu...head -> desk. |
| 00:29.52 | IdleOne | abrotman: of course not :) |
| 00:30.31 | mplabs | I have few applications running and Xorg has about 50% of the CPU sometimes, is it normal? (testing) |
| 00:30.48 | IdleOne | I am guessing but I think what he wants is to understand the relationship between debian and Ubuntu and how they relate. |
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| 00:31.16 | mplabs | everything goes slow, I don't know what is doing xorg |
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| 00:35.06 | davidmorris | Has anyone ever had a problem with DHCLIENT not getting responses on a wired network? |
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| 00:36.18 | Bop | davidmorris, yes ... try dhcpcd |
| 00:36.18 | jhutchins_lt | davidmorris: Well, yes, but probably not for the same reasons. |
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| 00:36.51 | jhutchins_lt | davidmorris: Had a NIC that would send but not receive. |
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| 00:37.07 | jhutchins_lt | davidmorris: Stormed networks, rogue dhcp servers. |
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| 00:37.37 | davidmorris | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.56 | davidmorris | It still works when booted into Windows. |
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| 00:38.30 | davidmorris | But the Debian -- and downstream Ubuntu -- dhclient does not get responses to DHDISCOVER, even though the interface is up. |
| 00:38.40 | jhutchins_lt | Windows often works with bad hardware because Windows is broken too. |
| 00:39.05 | jhutchins_lt | davidmorris: Ubuntu is not "downstream". It's a different distribution with some common sources. |
| 00:39.14 | Bop | davidmorris, TRY OTHER CLIENT ; DHCPCD |
| 00:39.39 | davidmorris | Is it on the livecd? that box has no networking... |
| 00:40.04 | Bop | not sure |
| 00:40.09 | Bop | search for dhcpcd |
| 00:40.15 | Bop | aptitude search dhcpcd |
| 00:40.23 | jhutchins_lt | davidmorris: You CAN just set a valid address, gateway, and DNS manually. |
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| 00:40.47 | davidmorris | Bop, my apologies. I thought dhcpd was a server, not a client. |
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| 00:41.12 | Bop | davidmorris, dhcpd is a server , dhcpcd is a client |
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| 00:43.45 | jhutchins_lt | Distributed Host Configuration (Control) Protocal Client Daemon. |
| 00:44.32 | Bop | distributed or dinamic ? :) |
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| 00:47.05 | f00li5h | so, slapd catches on fire when I install it... is that ... known behaviour? |
| 00:47.38 | aypea[2] | did it feel like a slap in the face? |
| 00:48.08 | f00li5h | something like that ... |
| 00:48.43 | aypea[2] | then slapd has done its job. =) |
| 00:49.09 | f00li5h | I get a feeling you're not fimiliar with that package... |
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| 00:49.37 | aypea[2] | I had a choice between ldap and sql once. I chose differently to you :) |
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| 00:49.53 | f00li5h | aypea[2]: so you use SQL for your posix authentication? |
| 00:50.16 | f00li5h | 'cause i've got 4 or 5 web apps all of whom have username/password tables and that shit is getting old real quick |
| 00:50.21 | aypea[2] | for auth, yeah. not gone all out with it. just use it primarily for mail. |
| 00:50.30 | abrotman | f00li5h: they could share a table ... |
| 00:50.39 | f00li5h | abrotman: right, and their password field? |
| 00:50.53 | abrotman | are they the same users? |
| 00:50.59 | f00li5h | yeah, |
| 00:51.06 | f00li5h | and who says they all use the same password encryption? |
| 00:51.09 | abrotman | so why can't you just have a user_auth DB .. |
| 00:51.23 | abrotman | f00li5h: well, that's a programming issue .. i'm sure it could be redone .. your call |
| 00:51.39 | abrotman | f00li5h: we have some internal web apps that authenticate users via IMAP if it makes you feel better |
| 00:51.53 | f00li5h | is there a pam_myqsl? |
| 00:52.00 | f00li5h | pam_mysql, rather |
| 00:52.05 | aypea[2] | probably. there's a pam_pgsql |
| 00:52.23 | f00li5h | also, i have to make them all speak the same database... which is un-fun with php based apps |
| 00:52.27 | aypea[2] | knows the latter cos he uses it. |
| 00:52.55 | f00li5h | and then we get to the windows/macox login thing ... |
| 00:53.24 | abrotman | doesn't see the problem with changing the auth method to a single table ... |
| 00:53.24 | f00li5h | but seriously, should slapd install nicely on a new debian install? |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | f00li5h: yhou have to initialize the ldap stuff |
| 00:53.45 | f00li5h | initialize? |
| 00:53.56 | f00li5h | I installed the package and it failed out |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | paste might help |
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| 00:55.38 | f00li5h | http://scsys.co.uk:8002/114538 |
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| 00:56.02 | abrotman | it tells you what the problem is |
| 00:56.09 | f00li5h | yeah, |
| 00:56.20 | f00li5h | it assumes that there is a directory for it to create its own initial config in |
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| 00:56.23 | f00li5h | NB: broken. |
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| 00:56.38 | abrotman | f00li5h: did you have it installed before? |
| 00:56.46 | f00li5h | no. |
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| 00:57.17 | f00li5h | it is a new install. |
| 00:57.31 | abrotman | you can remove that directory probably then |
| 00:57.41 | f00li5h | which directory? |
| 00:57.48 | abrotman | the one it's complaining about |
| 00:57.56 | f00li5h | right. |
| 00:58.02 | f00li5h | so just remove stuff that came from the package |
| 00:58.06 | f00li5h | then install the package again? |
| 00:58.39 | juliohm | Hi, i've installed libstdc++6-4.4-doc via APT and don't know how to access the man pages for it. I mean, how to access the C++ documentation directly by the console? |
| 00:58.51 | abrotman | !tell juliohm about non-free |
| 00:58.59 | abrotman | oh .. you got it installed .. misread |
| 00:59.14 | abrotman | juliohm: dpkg -L libstdc++6-4.4-doc |
| 00:59.15 | f00li5h | http://scsys.co.uk:8002/114539 |
| 00:59.17 | abrotman | see where the files are |
| 00:59.37 | f00li5h | abrotman: i'm not sure why i'm having problems with configuration when i haven't done any yet |
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| 00:59.58 | abrotman | f00li5h: i'd probably purge all ldap related packages |
| 01:00.01 | juliohm | abrotman, interesting, i didn't knew APT is non free. :( |
| 01:00.06 | abrotman | then make sure /etc/ldap/ is gone |
| 01:00.12 | abrotman | juliohm: i misread! |
| 01:00.31 | f00li5h | abrotman: which factoid is that? |
| 01:00.37 | abrotman | juliohm: i thought you said you didn't know how to find the docs for it |
| 01:00.40 | abrotman | f00li5h: /msg dpkg purge |
| 01:01.18 | f00li5h | hey, look at that. |
| 01:01.24 | f00li5h | if i purge it, and re-install it, it does the same fucking thing |
| 01:01.41 | f00li5h | trauls the bug tracker |
| 01:02.33 | juliohm | abrotman, /usr/share/man/man3 ? |
| 01:03.44 | f00li5h | googling for the error gives me a bundle of pastebin entries |
| 01:03.45 | f00li5h | nice. |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | juliohm: so man 3 foo .. whichever you want to read |
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| 01:09.47 | juliohm | thank you abrotman , do you have any manual explaining how to use the man pages? |
| 01:09.56 | juliohm | hhhmmm, maybe is recursive? |
| 01:09.57 | juliohm | man man |
| 01:10.05 | juliohm | yes! |
| 01:10.06 | juliohm | \o/ |
| 01:10.10 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 01:12.01 | f00li5h | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=596343 |
| 01:12.03 | f00li5h | awesome. |
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| 01:13.17 | abrotman | has a workaround at least |
| 01:14.03 | f00li5h | haha, awesome |
| 01:14.08 | zelo | how to install vdpau driver to drivers downloaded from nvidia site? |
| 01:14.24 | f00li5h | "fixed" "no" "fixed" "no!" "fixed" "fucking fix it will you?!" |
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| 01:14.45 | f00li5h | abrotman: does it? |
| 01:14.58 | abrotman | i thought the second note had the fix |
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| 01:15.00 | abrotman | or third |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | i didn't read the whole bug .. i stopped at "not sure if this is related" |
| 01:15.39 | f00li5h | so you'd have missed all the "this is an annoying regression" and "--configure fails" stuff? |
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| 01:24.52 | KerrMD | Howdy folks. I've been searching and cannot seem to find a comprehensive guide to installing wine in debian squeeze. Be it via Git, apt, or compiling it myself. |
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| 01:28.12 | Lewoco | Where is the list of autostart applications stored in my home folder? |
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| 01:30.25 | Lewoco | ~/.config/autostart |
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| 01:39.46 | KerrMD | Question: is there a way to get apt to autocomplete? |
| 01:39.55 | KerrMD | er tab complete, sorry |
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| 01:40.36 | danieljf90 | hello to all of you... |
| 01:40.38 | f00li5h | there might be something for bash's programmable auto-complete |
| 01:40.44 | danieljf90 | i got a question |
| 01:41.04 | danieljf90 | why every time I log into a on-line game, my connection drop |
| 01:41.06 | KerrMD | f00li5h: Sorry but I do now know what that is. |
| 01:41.23 | f00li5h | KerrMD: which part? |
| 01:41.28 | f00li5h | do you know what bash is? |
| 01:41.33 | KerrMD | roughly |
| 01:41.54 | f00li5h | what do you want to autocomplete, exactly? |
| 01:41.55 | KerrMD | but I know nothing about bash scripting if that is what you were getting at |
| 01:42.17 | f00li5h | i'm not "getting at" anything. |
| 01:42.33 | KerrMD | f00li5h: Say I apt-get update and hten want to go apt-get install something. I want ot be able to tab complete the packages |
| 01:42.55 | KerrMD | f00li5h: It is normal behaviour in <shudder> ubuntu |
| 01:43.06 | f00li5h | completing package names? |
| 01:43.09 | KerrMD | yes |
| 01:43.14 | f00li5h | KerrMD: right, that's up to your shell... |
| 01:43.24 | f00li5h | so you'd want to tell your shell how to do that. |
| 01:43.29 | KerrMD | f00li5h: So it would be an option in konsole? |
| 01:43.33 | f00li5h | fuck. |
| 01:43.38 | f00li5h | konsole is not a shell |
| 01:43.41 | f00li5h | it is a terminal emulator |
| 01:43.57 | f00li5h | echo $0 |
| 01:44.01 | f00li5h | it's likely bash |
| 01:44.31 | KerrMD | yes, bash |
| 01:44.51 | f00li5h | i'm sure the ubuntu script for it is packaged, and you can either snag the package, or the script from it that tells bash how to complete argumetns for dpkg |
| 01:45.09 | KerrMD | thanks for the advice |
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| 02:02.07 | Seth_Hikaru | What's another command line text editor other then vi? I keep forgetting mine. |
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| 02:02.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | Seth_Hikaru: 'apropos editor' |
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| 02:02.50 | abrotman | emacs? nano? |
| 02:03.01 | Seth_Hikaru | nano is what I'm looking for., |
| 02:03.03 | Seth_Hikaru | Thank you. |
| 02:03.27 | Seth_Hikaru | I can't seem to remember it, I always forget it if I don't use it like every couple of days. |
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| 02:04.07 | nsadmin | there used to be ae, which was also really cool |
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| 02:04.58 | nsadmin | well if you forget, you can always use ed |
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| 02:06.06 | nsadmin | or cat head tail echo grep etc etc |
| 02:06.52 | Guest92990 | hi peepz |
| 02:07.07 | Guest92990 | any tip on pulseaudio + clicking sound |
| 02:07.14 | Guest92990 | with streaming videos? |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | in what? |
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| 02:08.18 | olol85 | iceweasel |
| 02:08.35 | olol85 | on youtube audio is fine |
| 02:08.49 | olol85 | on some other sites audio has annoying clicks |
| 02:09.13 | nsadmin | olol85, find out why the clicks are happening |
| 02:09.19 | olol85 | i manage to get rid of the problem by pausing and playing with the volume |
| 02:09.40 | olol85 | nsadmin: i've already tried googling a bit |
| 02:09.41 | Andorin | f00li5h: I don't know. What I do now is that the problem appeared right after I installed xfce, and doesn't show up in gnome. |
| 02:09.43 | olol85 | didnt help much |
| 02:09.46 | Andorin | know* |
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| 02:10.52 | olol85 | what's even more weird is that on the video, the advertisement doesn't bug, when the real video comes in |
| 02:10.57 | olol85 | the sound starts bugging |
| 02:11.10 | olol85 | anyone willing to give it a try? |
| 02:11.12 | olol85 | http://www.derquaker.com/vods/?page=&vod=4633 |
| 02:11.41 | nsadmin | why does it have to be that video |
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| 02:11.58 | olol85 | cause youtube ones are ok |
| 02:11.59 | nsadmin | if it's only that video, then the likely problem is that video |
| 02:12.19 | olol85 | that's why i'd like you to try it |
| 02:13.07 | abrotman | or youtube is using html5 |
| 02:13.35 | olol85 | that means that other website got some dodgy video format? |
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| 02:38.29 | Toidi | What is the latest xen debian kernel? |
| 02:40.03 | ujjain | Can you delete a 10G partition, create a 15GB one, and your data wil be still there? |
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| 02:41.14 | tensorpudding | ujjain: you probably ought to resize it instead |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | he didn't say which FS it was |
| 02:41.32 | ujjain | I am reading http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions |
| 02:41.46 | ujjain | it seem ssuch a risky way to resize a filesystem. |
| 02:43.01 | tensorpudding | that post is pretty old |
| 02:43.09 | tensorpudding | gparted can resize without you having to muck about |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | you would make a backup anyway |
| 02:43.47 | ujjain | I am a BackupPC user since today, and it's for educational purposes. |
| 02:43.57 | ujjain | I am considering spending 2 hours on LVM too. |
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| 02:44.17 | ujjain | Gparted cannot work with LVM, so it's not really an option then. |
| 02:45.18 | tensorpudding | oh |
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| 02:45.30 | tensorpudding | that guide would fail you anyway then |
| 02:45.36 | tensorpudding | you need to resize the lv too |
| 02:45.52 | ujjain | Right, but it seemed a good way to learn first how to do it without LVM. |
| 02:46.02 | tensorpudding | and the lvm manager tool can do that |
| 02:46.03 | ujjain | Gparted would work, but the point is mainly learning. |
| 02:46.07 | tensorpudding | and resize the partitions too |
| 02:46.16 | abrotman | you would make a backup anyway |
| 02:46.29 | ujjain | abrotman: sure. |
| 02:46.52 | ujjain | I wonder how I would shrink a backup via fdisk after LVM has decreased it in size. |
| 02:47.03 | ujjain | the howto says destroy and create a new partitiion, I just can't beleive this would work |
| 02:47.34 | abrotman | wonders how many times he has to say backup |
| 02:48.50 | ujjain | How is that helpful? I have been spending hours reading into backup solutions today. |
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| 02:49.44 | ujjain | orr do you mean I should back-up, create new filesystem/partition anything and restore? I get the point, resizing filesystems can be tricky. |
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| 03:07.30 | e911_indiana | just had a quick question for everyone. i am looking to get my feet wet with linux and use debian.. but i cant seem to find any debian "bibles", can someone point me in a direction of one |
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| 03:08.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | e911_indiana: are you after a dead tree or something to read on the computer? |
| 03:09.01 | e911_indiana | either.. |
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| 03:09.23 | e911_indiana | dead tree is easier for me to use while at work since they are a bunch of inet nazi's around here but a pdf is fine |
| 03:10.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian has various packages containing documentation, apt-cache search ^debian |grep -i doc might help |
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| 03:10.57 | e911_indiana | i havent installed it yet.. lol.. i was wanting to do some reading before hand |
| 03:11.04 | e911_indiana | i found a pdf book, but its back from like 99-00 |
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| 03:11.48 | Andorin | Since installing xfce4 on my Debian-running laptop, I've had a very annoying wireless bug that no one so far has been able to fix. Someone please advise. My very informative thread detailing this issue: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6054 |
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| 03:15.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | e911_indiana: ah ok. http://debiansystem.info/order is ~2005 (iirc). i'm not normally looking for debian books, so i can't really help you i'm afraid |
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| 03:16.57 | somiaj | Andorin: It seems to be starnge that its an xfce error -- dose xfce have its own built in network manager? If not I would look into what is causing the problem and its either the network manager or the wireless driver. |
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| 03:20.15 | Andorin | somiaj: As far as I know, no. It's using NetworkManager, the same thing Gnome uses. |
| 03:20.49 | somiaj | Andorin: then its either networkmanager, but from a quick google search from your error in your logs it appears to be a kernel/module issue |
| 03:20.58 | e911_indiana | Kamping_Kaiser thank you.. this gives me a starting point.. |
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| 03:21.16 | jmarsden | e911_indiana: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ may be worth a look, they have a PDF for a small fee... HTML is free... |
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| 03:21.24 | somiaj | Andorin: but then I see others with your issue complaining about network manager -- uninstall (or stop) the network manager service and see if you still have stability issues. If so its the wireless module |
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| 03:21.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | e911_indiana: let us know if you find something good |
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| 03:22.55 | Andorin | somiaj: Won't stopping or uninstalling networkmanager remove my ability to connect to networks? |
| 03:23.18 | somiaj | Andorin: the network manager is only a manager ontop of the debian networking and is not needed |
| 03:23.57 | somiaj | Andorin: its mainly to give a nice gui/systray app. -- You can configure your device correcataly with ifconfig/iwconfig or /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/down |
| 03:24.34 | Andorin | somiaj: That sounds like it might be a huge hassle, especially if I need to connect to a new network |
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| 03:26.10 | e911_indiana | all kinds of books in german :( |
| 03:26.17 | somiaj | Andorin: hence why a network-manager was created, it will also connect automatically and do things in the background -- but the idea is not to remove it but to stop it to verify if its your module for your wireless device or the network manager causing issue |
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| 03:27.03 | somiaj | Andorin: most likely its your wireless module droping connenction due to a powersaving mode or a bug in the module and the NW manager will connect again in the background -- if so that is where you look for/file bug reports |
| 03:27.17 | Andorin | somiaj: Right, booting now. |
| 03:27.54 | somiaj | Andorin: if you still drop connenction without networkmanager then look up bugs for your module -- sometimes that just means installing a newer backported kernel. |
| 03:27.58 | Justin | network-manager basicaly tells wpa-supplicant what to do |
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| 03:32.18 | Andorin | somiaj: Now I just need to figure out how to disable networkmanager |
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| 03:33.31 | Justin | Andorin: you should read the wpa supplicant log(most likely in /var/log) |
| 03:34.21 | Andorin | Justin: ls /var/log | grep wpa <-- No results |
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| 03:35.00 | Justin | oh, must not log by default these days |
| 03:35.46 | somiaj | Andorin: update-rc.d <name of service> disable -- will disable the service so it won't start at bootup |
| 03:35.59 | somiaj | Andorin: /etc/init.d/<name of service> stop will stop the running instance of the service |
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| 03:36.42 | Andorin | somiaj: It says NetworkManager already stopped. |
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| 03:38.17 | somiaj | Andorin: check your runnign processes, you can kill -9 the actuall process |
| 03:38.56 | Justin | you don't really need to stop networkmanager |
| 03:39.09 | Justin | if you configure the device manually it will ignore it |
| 03:39.27 | Andorin | nm-applet is running |
| 03:39.33 | Andorin | that's it |
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| 03:47.39 | Andorin | somiaj: According to System Monitor the only network manager-related process that's running is nm-applet |
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| 03:56.19 | cobra-the-joker | HEy guys ... i am trying to install vmware player here and it is asking for the linux kernel headers ... i instaled the "linux-kernel-headers" package and yet its not seeing it ... also after specifying /usr/include/linux ... help pls ! |
| 03:57.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | cobra-the-joker: what package exactly did you install? |
| 03:57.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | cobra-the-joker: in squeeze, the package name starts with linux-headers-* |
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| 03:58.09 | cobra-the-joker | Kamping_Kaiser: its the virtual packge "linux-kernel-headers" |
| 03:58.33 | wols_ | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 03:58.41 | cobra-the-joker | wols_: ok |
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| 04:02.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | cobra-the-joker: thats provided by linux-libc-dev - not sure thats what you really want. |
| 04:03.23 | cobra-the-joker | Kamping_Kaiser: i wanted the linux-headers-'kernel version' one |
| 04:03.56 | cobra-the-joker | Thanx for the help its working now :D |
| 04:04.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 04:24.14 | olol85 | you guys know if the kworker process can cause short system freezes? |
| 04:24.24 | Cydd | omg guys..........search "gay" on Google - look to the right :O |
| 04:26.13 | f00li5h | you mean the search button? |
| 04:26.37 | Cydd | rainbar bar around it lol |
| 04:26.47 | freebird_ | yep |
| 04:26.52 | f00li5h | it's there for bisexual aswell |
| 04:26.58 | Cydd | and for freebird_ |
| 04:27.09 | f00li5h | Cydd: i see what you did there |
| 04:27.14 | Cydd | :D |
| 04:27.16 | antiwire | lol |
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| 04:29.12 | freebird_ | Cydd, yeah right |
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| 04:29.27 | freebird_ | Cydd, I have my girl right here, by me |
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| 04:31.57 | khem_ | is there any debian distirbution that comes with a graphical wireless configuration tool by default? |
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| 04:33.48 | antiwire | khem_: Debian comes with network manager and the legacy methods. |
| 04:34.02 | sm1 | khem_: Debian itself |
| 04:34.08 | sauvin | network manager seems to work for me :) |
| 04:34.16 | sm1 | exactly, Network manager. |
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| 04:35.09 | antiwire | just read the network section: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_network_infrastructure |
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| 04:35.26 | antiwire | it's good |
| 04:35.44 | sm1 | ;) |
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| 04:39.18 | hatter | i just put a 2tb wd disk in and its showing up as 931gb.. should i be using a newer version of fdisk or something similar ? |
| 04:39.58 | sauvin | Showing up in *what* as .93TB? |
| 04:40.27 | hatter | sauvin - fdisk - blocks |
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| 04:42.10 | sauvin | Huh... I have a 2TB Seagate USB whose partition table is "invalid". |
| 04:42.47 | sauvin | Sucker has an ext3 fs on it - I put it there - and it works a treat. That's too funny. |
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| 04:43.13 | cobra-the-joker | sauvin: maybe you need a better USB port ... just sayin |
| 04:44.17 | sauvin | How much "better" is needed when it works flawlessly? I've just noticed what I did, though, was just clobber the NTFS that had been on it, didn't even bother changing the partition ID bite. |
| 04:44.19 | sauvin | byte, even. |
| 04:44.22 | jelly-home | sauvin: invalid in _what_? |
| 04:44.28 | sauvin | I can't fdisk it. |
| 04:44.43 | sauvin | Or, rather, I COULD, I think, but I'd wind up trashing it. |
| 04:45.01 | jelly-home | can you sfdisk -d it or parted it |
| 04:45.10 | Wyvern666 | i am gettin a "Segment Violation" when run mi code |
| 04:45.17 | sauvin | It has a partition on it, and I have zero trouble using it, but doing a "p" in fdisk on that device yields an "invalid partition table" and zero partition info. |
| 04:45.18 | Wyvern666 | what that means? |
| 04:45.43 | ectospasm | Wyvern666: segmentation fault could mean many things. Essentially your code is doing something illegal, and the program is crashing |
| 04:46.07 | Wyvern666 | [ecksun] segment violation == segmentation faullt? |
| 04:46.20 | Wyvern666 | [ectospasm] * |
| 04:46.25 | ectospasm | yes |
| 04:46.37 | jelly-home | !sig11 |
| 04:46.37 | dpkg | [sig11] Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ Also ask me about <memtest>. |
| 04:46.44 | sauvin | Oh, ignore me. The required device is /dev/sdc, not /dev/sdc1. |
| 04:46.45 | ectospasm | or generally. You'll probably need to step through the code with a debugger |
| 04:47.03 | jelly-home | !spank sauvin |
| 04:47.03 | dpkg | bends sauvin over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 04:47.14 | sauvin | hee |
| 04:47.19 | ectospasm | only one thwack? |
| 04:47.26 | sauvin | That had me going for a minute, though. I was all "wtf!?" |
| 04:47.41 | f00li5h | does anyone know how i'd run post-install hooks for a package after it's been installed? |
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| 04:48.09 | jelly-home | f00li5h: what are you trying to accomplish with that |
| 04:48.22 | f00li5h | jelly-home: slapd is bailing out in its post install script |
| 04:48.46 | f00li5h | i'd like to mess with the files shipped, and then run the script again |
| 04:48.48 | jelly-home | f00li5h: so, it didn't install properly yet? |
| 04:48.52 | f00li5h | no. |
| 04:48.54 | f00li5h | because it's fucked. |
| 04:49.19 | f00li5h | it catches on fire because files it shipped are there ... |
| 04:49.26 | jelly-home | f00li5h: pastebin the full output of dpkg --configure -a |
| 04:49.27 | f00li5h | #596343 |
| 04:49.45 | sauvin | No language policy in this channel? |
| 04:50.12 | ectospasm | /topic |
| 04:50.13 | f00li5h | Setting up slapd (2.4.23-7) ... Creating initial configuration... mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/ldap/slapd.d': File exists |
| 04:50.27 | jelly-home | sauvin: thankfully no |
| 04:50.49 | sauvin | I just might move in. :) |
| 04:50.58 | antiwire | fucking sit down! |
| 04:51.00 | antiwire | :D |
| 04:51.12 | Wyvern666 | [ectospasm] i use ollydbg in win, what the best in linux? |
| 04:51.26 | sauvin | I don't swear too terribly often, except, of course, when apt-get won't fucking install something. |
| 04:51.33 | ectospasm | Wyvern666: there are several, but I know gdb the best (which is very little) |
| 04:51.35 | jelly-home | don't overdo it |
| 04:51.39 | f00li5h | jelly-home: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=596343 |
| 04:51.58 | jelly-home | f00li5h: supposed to be fixed in your version |
| 04:52.04 | f00li5h | well, it very clearly isn't. |
| 04:52.27 | Wyvern666 | [ectospasm] the most extrange thing is that mi code is really simple, is just calling a stupid simple label, using the stack |
| 04:52.38 | jelly-home | f00li5h: so why not rmdir the directory and rerun dpkg --configure -a |
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| 04:52.44 | Wyvern666 | and nothing importan i think |
| 04:52.48 | f00li5h | jelly-home: it. does. not. help. |
| 04:53.09 | ectospasm | Wyvern666: maybe you've found a bug in a linked library? |
| 04:53.31 | Wyvern666 | [ectospasm] there is no linked library |
| 04:53.52 | ectospasm | Wyvern666: so step through it with a debugger |
| 04:53.58 | f00li5h | jelly-home: and I assuem that crap is there for a reason ... (the docs say that if I don't load core.ldif, |
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| 04:54.01 | ectospasm | Wyvern666: what language is this written in? |
| 04:54.06 | f00li5h | my directory will be broekn and not robot friendly) |
| 04:54.06 | Wyvern666 | asm |
| 04:54.13 | Wyvern666 | with NASM |
| 04:54.21 | ectospasm | I have no idea then |
| 04:55.00 | Wyvern666 | [ectospasm] ok, thanks, i will try dbg |
| 04:55.00 | jelly-home | f00li5h: oh, sorry, 2.4.23-7.2 hasn't arrived on mirrors yet |
| 04:55.14 | Wyvern666 | is in the repos? |
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| 04:55.24 | ectospasm | gdb is in the repos |
| 04:55.26 | f00li5h | and then it's ~2 months before it's "stable"? |
| 04:55.31 | Wyvern666 | ok |
| 04:56.03 | jelly-home | f00li5h: that _is_ the fix for stable |
| 04:56.13 | f00li5h | i see. |
| 04:56.19 | f00li5h | so all i have to do is... sit and wait? |
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| 04:57.26 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 04:58.07 | jelly-home | since it's urgency=low it might end up in proposed-updates, I don't know exaclty how non-urgent fixes for stable get handled |
| 04:58.44 | RenatoSilva | there's a package which is pointed out by synaptic as residual configuration, needing hence a purge. But the purge does nothing. It lists the package, but right below says 0 to be removed and does nothing. In synaptic, it simply doesn't enable the apply button when checking for complete removal |
| 04:58.45 | f00li5h | how is "it won't install" not urgent? |
| 04:58.48 | f00li5h | i don't understand. |
| 04:59.03 | RenatoSilva | installing for purge? no repo with that package! |
| 04:59.14 | RenatoSilva | how to force the purge? |
| 04:59.25 | jelly-home | f00li5h: the user that reported it didn't tag it as serious |
| 04:59.26 | f00li5h | /msg dpkg purge |
| 04:59.33 | f00li5h | jelly-home: fuck. |
| 04:59.44 | f00li5h | i'm unsure how that is not serious... |
| 04:59.46 | aypea[2] | f00li5s: still having slapd issues? |
| 05:00.06 | f00li5h | yes. |
| 05:00.09 | f00li5h | f00<tab> |
| 05:00.24 | sauvin | Mmm... an apt-get upgrade b0rked, apt was bright enough to ask me to do an update, and the second upgrade attempt worked beautifully. This is VERY different from the experience I'd had with Fedora1 |
| 05:00.25 | aypea[2] | no tab fun here. haven't gotten around to writing that feature in yet. |
| 05:00.31 | sauvin | s/1/!/; |
| 05:02.01 | f00li5h | silly. |
| 05:05.08 | jelly-home | f00li5h: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=openldap&suite=squeeze says they're all built; so hopefully they're going to end up in squeeze any day now |
| 05:05.31 | f00li5h | day... |
| 05:05.36 | f00li5h | can i ... anything? |
| 05:06.16 | f00li5h | does that pass its tests? |
| 05:06.17 | jelly-home | add squeeze-proposed-updates repo to your sources and hope :-) |
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| 05:06.50 | RenatoSilva | f00li5h: thanks, got it removed |
| 05:06.54 | f00li5h | if i add that, install slapd and remove it, will that be ok? |
| 05:06.55 | sauvin | Hey... I didn't tell Squeeze anything about my keyboard. I'm not used to this - it understands the multimedia keys!? |
| 05:07.12 | f00li5h | sauvin: sounds like someone wrote some software. |
| 05:07.53 | RenatoSilva | why doesn't aptitude have autoremove? |
| 05:08.11 | sauvin | Couple years ago I couldn't get any distro to understand these keys, and gave up on them and forgot all about it. |
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| 05:10.01 | jelly-home | f00li5h: pretty much |
| 05:10.03 | wols_ | sauvin: msft standardized them so now linux can use them too. a few years ago every keyboardmaker used their own scancodes |
| 05:10.10 | wols_ | sauvin: and their own software |
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| 05:11.12 | jelly-home | RenatoSilva: aptitude does opportunistic autoremoving |
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| 05:12.15 | sauvin | wols_, I'm thankful, I think. Too bad I myself standardised on mplayer years ago because it understands regular keyboards. :D |
| 05:12.19 | RenatoSilva | jelly-home: i.e. every time you give him a job, he takes a moment for keeping thing clean? |
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| 05:12.56 | jelly-home | RenatoSilva: there are some exceptions, but yeah, pretty much |
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| 05:13.21 | f00li5h | jelly-home: FFFFFFF |
| 05:13.28 | RenatoSilva | jelly-home: there isn't an explicit way to tell him to do so? |
| 05:13.59 | f00li5h | also, where would debian policy suggest I put my svn repository? |
| 05:14.37 | jelly-home | RenatoSilva: to do what? It won't remove your possibly precious leftover configuration automatically, no. |
| 05:15.03 | jelly-home | RenatoSilva: you can tell it to purge all removed packages, using its search syntax. |
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| 05:16.36 | RenatoSilva | ok |
| 05:16.38 | RenatoSilva | thanks all |
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| 05:22.14 | f00li5h | jelly-home: trickery! |
| 05:22.31 | f00li5h | jelly-home: is there a docco about what shenanigins go on in postinst scripts? |
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| 05:24.53 | rue_bed | I have another machine I want to use my local machine as a display for, but there is something disabled that wont let me do it, if I kill the session manager and start x with startx it'll work, whats the official fix here? |
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| 05:26.00 | f00li5h | there's a listen=no snuck in somewhere in /etc |
| 05:26.10 | f00li5h | hrm. |
| 05:26.17 | rue_bed | k |
| 05:26.39 | jelly-home | f00li5h: it's called "debian policy" |
| 05:26.47 | f00li5h | what is? |
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| 05:26.55 | jelly-home | <f00li5h> jelly-home: is there a docco about what shenanigins go on in postinst scripts? |
| 05:26.56 | f00li5h | oh, the docs about the shenanigins! |
| 05:26.58 | rue_bed | xinit/xserverrc.dpkg-dist:exec /usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten tcp |
| 05:26.58 | dudz_ | hi bunch |
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| 05:27.42 | jelly-home | f00li5h: you are allowed to take a peek in /var/lib/dpkg/info/slapd.postinst by yourself |
| 05:27.44 | rue_bed | oh I been there |
| 05:28.12 | rue_bed | I already replaced exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp with exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 |
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| 05:28.23 | f00li5h | jelly-home: it seems to be coded in a bizarre way ... |
| 05:28.47 | jelly-home | there's a decade of stuff going on |
| 05:30.02 | jelly-home | f00li5h: probably lots of debconf support, so debconf-devel(7) would be of use if you wanted to investigate/rev.eng. |
| 05:30.27 | f00li5h | i just want an ldap directory T_T |
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| 05:30.55 | f00li5h | let me guess, that man page is in a package i have to install |
| 05:31.12 | rue_bed | f00li5h, I grepped all of /etc, asside from the xinit, there is no file that contains 'listen' |
| 05:31.48 | f00li5h | you got the -nolisten thing already, by the sounds of it |
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| 05:31.50 | rue_bed | arg, but your right, X was run with nolisten |
| 05:32.01 | f00li5h | viola |
| 05:32.18 | rue_bed | X was run by gdm |
| 05:32.55 | rue_bed | so, where are gdm settings... |
| 05:32.55 | f00li5h | jelly-home: if i mess with these files, then purge the package, will the files in /var/lib/dpkg still be mine/ |
| 05:33.02 | f00li5h | iunno |
| 05:33.16 | Bushmills | ps aux show the arguments X has been started with |
| 05:33.39 | rue_bed | yea, I need to know why gdm is starting it with nolisten |
| 05:33.47 | Bushmills | if there's no -nolisten tcp, you're on the wrong track |
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| 05:34.11 | rue_bed | gdm starts x with the nolisten paramiter |
| 05:34.14 | Bushmills | gdm? ah, it has an own config |
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| 05:34.24 | rue_bed | I havn't found it yet |
| 05:34.52 | Bushmills | it calls the option to en/disable listening differently |
| 05:35.03 | jelly-home | f00li5h: no, they're integral part of the packaging and all get removed if a purge is successful |
| 05:35.31 | f00li5h | pesky. |
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| 05:36.05 | f00li5h | i'm really miffed that the error message doesn't include the sodding file it's trying to load |
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| 05:37.25 | f00li5h | ah-hahaha |
| 05:37.49 | f00li5h | hostname -d ends with a '.' (the root doamin) and this seems to have upset the silly scripts that determine my root dc |
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| 05:38.54 | b44 | How to set a user-group as owner of a file? |
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| 05:39.26 | ectospasm | b44: not possible. The username is tied to a user ID (UID), and you can't set a GID as the UID of a file. |
| 05:39.47 | f00li5h | b44: with chown |
| 05:40.09 | ectospasm | you might have a UID and GID be the same number, but they're completely different namespaces. |
| 05:40.11 | f00li5h | ectospasm: you sure that debian doesn't create a group per user by default? |
| 05:40.19 | b44 | chown can only set uid:gid ..... as ectospasm said |
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| 05:40.42 | ectospasm | f00li5h: yes, it creates a user with the same ID, but the two numbers are different, there's no reason they have to be the same raw value. |
| 05:40.59 | f00li5h | there's also no reason that you'd be using numeric arguments to chown |
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| 05:41.17 | f00li5h | unless you've munted your nsswitch |
| 05:41.28 | b44 | So there is no way to set a GID as owner ? |
| 05:41.35 | ectospasm | b44: no |
| 05:41.43 | b44 | okay ... ty |
| 05:43.47 | b44 | ectospasm: is there any other way to allow a group to change chmod settings ?? |
| 05:43.55 | b44 | actually only the file owner can change it |
| 05:44.22 | ectospasm | b44: chmod g+w <file> |
| 05:44.32 | ectospasm | ...hmmm, maybe you're right |
| 05:44.32 | f00li5h | yep, that's the problem... |
| 05:44.43 | f00li5h | jelly-home: -_- how do i raise me a bug report? |
| 05:44.43 | ectospasm | the owner or root can change it |
| 05:44.52 | b44 | ectospasm: no, that doesnt work |
| 05:44.52 | ectospasm | f00li5h: bugs.debian.org |
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| 05:45.19 | b44 | it's not possible to allow a group to change it ? |
| 05:45.19 | ectospasm | f00li5h: are you running squeeze? |
| 05:45.33 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell f00li5h about reportbug |
| 05:45.35 | ectospasm | b44: why would you want members of a file's group to change the permissions? |
| 05:45.40 | f00li5h | if i have to fucking tell someone i'm running squeeze again, i'm going to get a rifle and go for the top score |
| 05:45.57 | ectospasm | f00li5h: so, install the packages you need from wheezy/testing |
| 05:46.03 | b44 | cause it's a file of all group-members .. |
| 05:46.06 | f00li5h[squeeze] | yes, install testing on my new production box |
| 05:46.10 | f00li5h[squeeze] | seems like a good plan |
| 05:46.10 | jelly-home | ectospasm: that is NOT good advice |
| 05:46.21 | f00li5h[squeeze] | ectospasm-- # retard. |
| 05:46.36 | ectospasm | I didn't know this was production. You didn't give or I didn't see all of the information... |
| 05:46.58 | jelly-home | ectospasm: it's never good advice to mix stable and anything else |
| 05:47.36 | ectospasm | jelly-home: well, sometimes stable is woefully out of date. |
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| 05:47.44 | f00li5h[squeeze] | yes, and broken |
| 05:47.49 | jelly-home | ectospasm: then you backport if you have to. |
| 05:48.04 | f00li5h[squeeze] | and switching to known-to-be-broken seems like a bad fix |
| 05:48.04 | ectospasm | jelly-home: not as easy as just saying it and it's done. |
| 05:48.13 | jelly-home | ectospasm: and you realize you'll have to take care of security and binaries yourself |
| 05:48.28 | jelly-home | ectospasm: testing does NOT have security fixes |
| 05:48.50 | ectospasm | yes it does, if they come down from sid |
| 05:48.57 | jelly-home | lol |
| 05:49.00 | ectospasm | ...but security.debian.org does not provide them |
| 05:49.03 | f00li5h[squeeze] | grr |
| 05:49.16 | f00li5h[squeeze] | which package is the one that asks "what is your domain name"? |
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| 05:49.39 | fisken_ | is it possible to use screen to attach to a psuedo terminal? |
| 05:49.47 | ectospasm | f00li5h[squeeze]: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:49.48 | jelly-home | f00li5h[squeeze]: are you asking how to change the fqdn? |
| 05:49.56 | f00li5h[squeeze] | ectospasm: package |
| 05:50.13 | ectospasm | well, it *IS* dpkg-reconfigure that asks that question (-; |
| 05:50.15 | entel | fisken_: man screen |
| 05:50.33 | jelly-home | fisken_: a preexisting one not managed by screen? No |
| 05:50.36 | f00li5h[squeeze] | ectospasm: no, it's not. |
| 05:50.58 | ectospasm | f00li5h[squeeze]: no, dpkg-reconfigure asks it on behalf of the package that's being configured... |
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| 05:51.00 | f00li5h[squeeze] | dpkg-reconfigure is not even the name of a package. |
| 05:51.04 | fisken_ | jelly-home: shit, is there any other way to control it? |
| 05:51.35 | f00li5h[squeeze] | ectospasm: i'm going to be short with you. I appreciate that you're volunteering your time, and helping out for free, but i'd really appreciate it if you stopped. |
| 05:51.40 | jelly-home | fisken_: no, kill your app and run it in screen (or tmux or dtach...) this time |
| 05:52.01 | fisken_ | jelly-home: alright, thanks |
| 05:52.04 | ectospasm | f00li5h[squeeze]: be nicer and you'd probably get better support. |
| 05:52.10 | eagles0513875 | hey jelly :D |
| 05:52.18 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: gonna give unstable a shot :D |
| 05:52.20 | eagles0513875 | on my netbook |
| 05:52.23 | f00li5h[squeeze] | ectospasm: unsubscribe. |
| 05:52.35 | ectospasm | /ignore ectospasm |
| 05:52.54 | f00li5h[squeeze] | great, let's pretend i've done that then. |
| 05:53.15 | ectospasm | f00li5h[squeeze]: I'm just going to piss f00li5h[squeeze] off now. Have you filed your bug report yet? |
| 05:53.17 | eagles0513875 | hi f00li5h[squeeze] :D |
| 05:53.21 | jelly-home | ectospasm: you do seem to be outputting generic, not clueful or relevant lines |
| 05:53.21 | eagles0513875 | going to try out unstable |
| 05:53.49 | f00li5h[squeeze] | paws at eagles0513875 |
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| 05:53.57 | eagles0513875 | lol f00li5h[squeeze] why |
| 05:54.10 | ectospasm | jelly-home: I had responded with *a* solution. Not necessarily a good one. I'll shut up now. |
| 05:54.39 | eagles0513875 | if i have too many problems with unstable ill get on squeeze |
| 05:54.44 | f00li5h[squeeze] | jelly-home: i think the issue here is that i have a '.' at the end of my system's domain name ... |
| 05:54.46 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: did you know there's a fresh new channel for unstable and or testing! #debian-next or irc.debian.org (=irc.oftc.net) |
| 05:55.01 | jelly-home | f00li5h[squeeze]: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 05:55.03 | f00li5h[squeeze] | jelly-home: it seems to upset the values for olcSuffix, as it ends with dc= |
| 05:55.05 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: no first time giving debian a shot over ubuntu |
| 05:55.10 | hatter | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.22 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: I strongly suggest trying stable first |
| 05:55.46 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: i have worked with squeeze on a server which is running xen and im impressed with how rock solid debian is :D |
| 05:55.47 | f00li5h[squeeze] | jelly-home: oh, that comes from looking up 127.0.0.1? how odd |
| 05:56.22 | jelly-home | f00li5h[squeeze]: no, it's a bit more complex |
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| 05:56.32 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: also this is on a netbook which i use for testing and what not |
| 05:56.47 | f00li5h[squeeze] | well, dropping the dot stops the thing catching on fire |
| 05:56.49 | f00li5h[squeeze] | whcih is kinda handy |
| 05:58.16 | f00li5h[squeeze] | jelly-home: i'll buy you a beer sometime |
| 05:58.18 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell eagles0513875 about unstable |
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| 06:02.40 | dirkson1 | I have debian installed on drive A, and both drive A and drive B are in the same computer. Is there an easy way to install debian on to drive B? (Or is "Copy and run the grub instally program" the right way?) |
| 06:03.10 | f00li5h[squeeze] | you can save your answers to debconf questions |
| 06:03.29 | f00li5h[squeeze] | i forget how, but "preseeded debian" are good words for searching |
| 06:03.42 | f00li5h[squeeze] | and you can have deiban expose it's already downloaded packages as an apt-mirror |
| 06:03.59 | f00li5h[squeeze] | you'll still want to install on the new hardware, so debian can shang all the drivers |
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| 06:04.04 | f00li5h[squeeze] | err, snag, not shag o_O |
| 06:04.14 | aypea[2] | shanging sounds awesome |
| 06:04.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | wow. typo. |
| 06:05.28 | dirkson1 | Hallo all. I have debian installed on drive A, and both drive A and drive B are in the same computer. Is there an easy way to install debian on to drive B? (Or is "Copy and run the grub instally program" the right way?) |
| 06:05.50 | jelly-home | dirkson1: no need to repeat that often |
| 06:06.16 | dirkson1 | jelly-home: Didn't realize I was. I have been having some issues with freenode. |
| 06:06.38 | jelly-home | np. And copying is the simplest method |
| 06:06.45 | dirkson1 | Alrighty |
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| 06:07.15 | b44 | Does the file-owner have to be a member of the file-gid ?? |
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| 06:07.25 | jelly-home | b44: no. |
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| 06:09.02 | b44 | jelly-home: So why I can't "chgrp www-data file" although the permissions are rwxrwx--- as the owner ?? |
| 06:09.11 | b44 | error is permission denied |
| 06:09.35 | jelly-home | b44: you are not root or don't belong to www-data group? |
| 06:09.45 | b44 | yes, both |
| 06:09.49 | b44 | not root and not in www-data |
| 06:09.58 | jelly-home | one of those has to be true |
| 06:10.28 | b44 | but you said that the owner doesn't have to be member of gid .. |
| 06:10.29 | b44 | ? |
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| 06:10.58 | b44 | this is only true as root ? |
| 06:11.14 | ectospasm | b44: who is the owner of the file? |
| 06:11.19 | jelly-home | b44: I wasn't aware the context was "... if you want to chgrp to gid" |
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| 06:12.05 | b44 | me:me is the owner actually |
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| 06:12.24 | jelly-home | b44: files can have arbitrary user and group ownerships. Being able to run chgrp on them is a different issue. |
| 06:13.03 | b44 | hm... okay. So to be able to chgrp a file to a gid, I have to be a member of that gid ? |
| 06:13.08 | jelly-home | b44: yes |
| 06:13.12 | jelly-home | or be root |
| 06:13.22 | b44 | okay, ty much ;) |
| 06:13.23 | ectospasm | that's right |
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| 06:22.45 | Corey | jw013: Don't do that. |
| 06:23.12 | guiniol | hello |
| 06:23.12 | jw013 | sorry, playing around with random commands |
| 06:23.23 | Corey | jw013: That's a good way to find yourself banned if you do that in support channels. :-) |
| 06:23.38 | jw013 | won't happen again :) |
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| 06:24.52 | guiniol | dunno if this is really a debian issue, but my system is on a usb stick and sometimes it disconnects somehow |
| 06:25.24 | guiniol | which of course prevents any log pertaining to the issue from being written |
| 06:25.40 | guiniol | Has anyone encountered a similar issue? |
| 06:25.59 | f00li5h[squeeze] | haha, that's excellent |
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| 06:30.26 | Bushmills | guiniol: most unlikely that the fact that the system is on a stick is the reason for it disconnecting |
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| 06:31.14 | Bushmills | unless you have both modem and stick on an usb1 connection, and reading continuously |
| 06:32.06 | guiniol | Bushmills: I don't have a modem, the usb stick disconnects |
| 06:32.15 | guiniol | as if I had unplugged it |
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| 06:32.36 | f00li5h[squeeze] | oh every machine? |
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| 06:33.54 | guiniol | I don't really know how to debug this since when it happens I can;t do anything anymore |
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| 06:34.34 | Bushmills | guiniol: debug it with a live system, which loads completely into RAM |
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| 06:35.56 | guiniol | Bushmills: is there a way to load the system to the ram? |
| 06:36.05 | jelly-home | guiniol: or install a statically linked rich shell like busybox, open it on a console and change the working directory to a tmpfs (/dev/shm if you don't have any other) so you can at least inspect dmesg when it happens |
| 06:36.18 | guiniol | it can run fine for days or weeks before unplugging |
| 06:36.47 | Bushmills | guiniol: maybe copying image to ramfs, loop mounting and chrooting will do. may depend on the booted system |
| 06:37.22 | jelly-home | guiniol: many livecd distros have an option do load completely into RAM; grml comes to mind |
| 06:37.48 | guiniol | when I first saw the issue, I thought of booting to ram, but I couldn't find a truly persistent way to do so |
| 06:39.03 | guiniol | its a nas server and I'd rather not be without it for too long |
| 06:39.05 | Bushmills | network boot may be an alternative, though requring a bit more setup effort than booting into RAM image |
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| 06:40.23 | guiniol | Bushmills: so I can boot my server to ram? |
| 06:40.32 | guiniol | not using a livecd I mean |
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| 06:41.31 | Bushmills | guiniol: either booting into a RAM system, or a disk based system over nfs |
| 06:41.33 | guiniol | I guess I'll try the busybox thing then, I should probably mount /var/log in a tmpfs too |
| 06:42.03 | guiniol | How would I go about booting into a RAM system? |
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| 06:42.29 | Bushmills | you pick a live system suited for loading into RAM |
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| 06:51.45 | b44 | When I "chgrp aGroupOfMe /var/www/file" I get permission denied. How to solve this ?? |
| 06:52.17 | Bushmills | obtain enough privs to change file permissions |
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| 06:53.00 | b44 | Bushmills: how to I have to set the permissions to be able to change it as non-root ?? |
| 06:53.16 | Bushmills | by for example being the owner of the file |
| 06:53.25 | b44 | Bushmills: currently I am ... |
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| 06:54.23 | ectospasm | b44: does aGroupOfMe contain your user? see groups <user> |
| 06:54.27 | Bushmills | by being member of the group you're changing the file to |
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| 06:54.38 | b44 | Bushmills: -rwxrwx--- me me subscriber.php |
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| 06:54.41 | b44 | ectospasm: yes |
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| 06:55.00 | ectospasm | b44: what are the full permissions of the file? |
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| 06:55.22 | ectospasm | b44: what are the permissions of /var/www? |
| 06:56.07 | b44 | ectospasm: drwxrwxr-x root aGroupOfMe www |
| 06:56.28 | ectospasm | b44: root owns the file, only root can change its permissions. |
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| 06:56.58 | ectospasm | probably for all permissions of the /var/www/file? |
| 06:57.08 | b44 | hm... so the /var/www/file -permissions doesn't matter if the /var/www owner is someone else ?? |
| 06:57.17 | b44 | ectospasm: no, the owner of /var/www/file is me |
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| 06:58.08 | Bushmills | permissions of /var/www shouldn't matter |
| 06:58.53 | Bushmills | what does groups aGroupOfMe show? |
| 06:59.06 | b44 | ...but I get "permission denied" if I try to "chgrp aGroupOfMe /var/www/file" |
| 06:59.24 | ectospasm | grep aGroupOfMe /etc/group |
| 06:59.35 | b44 | Bushmills: no user aGroupOfMe found |
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| 06:59.45 | Bushmills | ehm, sry. groups me i mean |
| 07:00.34 | b44 | aGroupOfMe:x:1004:me,...,www-data |
| 07:00.52 | Bushmills | have you just added yourself to that group? |
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| 07:01.16 | b44 | me : me sudo aGroupOfMe |
| 07:01.22 | b44 | Bushmills: how you mean that ? |
| 07:01.39 | ectospasm | you need to log out and log back in before you're considered a part of that group |
| 07:01.40 | b44 | there are some more users in aGroupOfMe |
| 07:01.51 | b44 | ah... |
| 07:02.31 | Bushmills | thinks support is 10 % skills and 90 % stating the obvious :) |
| 07:02.37 | b44 | ectospasm: now it works ;) |
| 07:02.41 | b44 | after relogging in |
| 07:02.43 | b44 | :D |
| 07:02.48 | b44 | ty ;)))))) |
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| 07:03.05 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: went with squeeze instead lol |
| 07:03.06 | ectospasm | no problem! |
| 07:03.25 | ectospasm | jelly-home: f00li5h[squeeze] ^ see, I helped somebody! ;-P |
| 07:03.53 | jelly-home | ectospasm: have a cookie! |
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| 07:05.01 | jelly-home | ectospasm: it's going to get old over time but I don't think netbooks necessarily need latest and possibly bloatest stuff anyway |
| 07:05.07 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: it's going to get old over time but I don't think netbooks necessarily need latest and possibly bloatest stuff anyway |
| 07:05.25 | jelly-home | misTab |
| 07:05.25 | Bushmills | ectospasm: (08:56:28) ectospasm: b44: root owns the file, only root can change its permissions. --- wrong |
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| 07:05.40 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: i use my netbook mostly for testing and development anyway |
| 07:05.44 | ectospasm | Bushmills: well, I meant of /var/www |
| 07:05.55 | Bushmills | i know. but it's wrong |
| 07:05.57 | jelly-home | Bushmills: what's wrong with that particulat line when isolated like that |
| 07:06.17 | Bushmills | because permissions of the dir that file is in didn't matter |
| 07:06.27 | ectospasm | I use my netbook to take notes. And my netbook runs squeeze last I checked... |
| 07:06.44 | eagles0513875 | was running kubuntu but getting fedup of some things |
| 07:06.45 | jelly-home | Bushmills: permissions of the dir don't affect ability to chown root-owned dir. entries |
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| 07:06.55 | eagles0513875 | hopefully ill start an interesting development project of mine |
| 07:07.31 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: please let it not be yet-another-distro! :-) |
| 07:07.39 | ectospasm | I have fallen in love with XMonad. I use it on all my machines running X |
| 07:07.47 | eagles0513875 | lol what about another desktop environment jelly-home |
| 07:07.48 | eagles0513875 | :p |
| 07:08.06 | Bushmills | jelly-home: that's what i say. though ectospasm seems to think differently |
| 07:08.56 | jelly-home | Bushmills: um, I just restated what he wrote and you quoted ;-) |
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| 07:09.10 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: that's all right by me <g> |
| 07:09.51 | eagles0513875 | :) |
| 07:09.54 | Bushmills | just read the context, rather than the isolated quote |
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| 07:17.41 | f00li5h[squeeze] | ectospasm: yes, that's true... you helped them as much as my off-on tab complete would |
| 07:20.15 | ectospasm | f00li5h[squeeze]: small things make base men proud (-; |
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| 07:22.00 | jelly-home | ectospasm: aw, you poor thing! |
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| 07:24.58 | ectospasm | jelly-home: what can I be if not self-deprecating? |
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| 07:27.44 | dudz_ | ectospasm, don't worry about tittles, just flick people off when they start harasing you |
| 07:28.14 | ectospasm | whatever that means |
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| 07:28.39 | dudz_ | it means you just give them a hand signal instead of using voice or text chatter for communicating |
| 07:28.45 | eagles0513875 | :( debian squeeze officially hate my netbook :( |
| 07:28.50 | ectospasm | dudz_: no, I know |
| 07:28.55 | dudz_ | :) |
| 07:29.05 | ectospasm | eagles0513875: time to get a better netbook? |
| 07:29.22 | eagles0513875 | ectospasm: the netbook isnt even a yr old |
| 07:29.26 | eagles0513875 | got it in december |
| 07:29.29 | eagles0513875 | i just installed stable |
| 07:29.34 | eagles0513875 | yet it doesnt boot at all |
| 07:29.59 | ectospasm | hmmm, I've had trouble with stable on many systems. |
| 07:30.13 | eagles0513875 | ectospasm: im running it on a dedicated as a xen host and its rock solid |
| 07:30.26 | eagles0513875 | but all i did was install the base system utils yet i dont even have command line access |
| 07:30.28 | ectospasm | yeah, it works in many places |
| 07:30.38 | ectospasm | but new(er) hardware gives it trouble, I've seen |
| 07:31.10 | eagles0513875 | :( |
| 07:31.12 | ectospasm | when lenny was stable, I had a fit trying to get it installed on my old workstation at work |
| 07:31.13 | eagles0513875 | sigh |
| 07:31.20 | eagles0513875 | :( |
| 07:31.26 | eagles0513875 | i wonder |
| 07:31.31 | eagles0513875 | if its the laptop setup |
| 07:31.39 | boudiccas | ectospasm; literally a fit? |
| 07:31.43 | eagles0513875 | i had laptop selected |
| 07:31.48 | eagles0513875 | i wonder if i dont install the laptop stuff |
| 07:32.23 | ectospasm | boudiccas: no, it just took me like 16 hours before I gave up |
| 07:32.38 | eagles0513875 | lol |
| 07:32.43 | eagles0513875 | i wonder if it could be unetbootin |
| 07:32.44 | boudiccas | ah right [i'm a nurse, thats why i was asking] |
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| 07:32.58 | eagles0513875 | im using a bootable usb and it could be version of unetbootin i have is outdated |
| 07:33.06 | ectospasm | for whatever reason, the SATA controller wasn't covered by the installed kernel, even though the installer could see it and talk to the HDD |
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| 07:33.38 | eagles0513875 | unetbootin isnt the issue |
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| 07:34.07 | ectospasm | Oh, you're running a LiveCD on USB key? |
| 07:34.50 | eagles0513875 | yes |
| 07:34.57 | eagles0513875 | has anyone used the latest unetbootin |
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| 07:35.02 | eagles0513875 | and does anyone know under debian |
| 07:35.05 | eagles0513875 | if |
| 07:35.15 | eagles0513875 | squeeze is known on there as stable or still its testing |
| 07:35.25 | ectospasm | I've used unetbootin under squeeze and wheezy |
| 07:35.56 | ectospasm | eagles0513875: I'm using 549-1 |
| 07:35.57 | eagles0513875 | they dont have them listed by their names though |
| 07:35.59 | eagles0513875 | me 2 |
| 07:36.03 | eagles0513875 | which one is squeeze out of that list |
| 07:36.08 | eagles0513875 | for them is it still testing? |
| 07:36.12 | ectospasm | squeeze is stable |
| 07:36.15 | eagles0513875 | ok |
| 07:36.16 | ectospasm | wheezy is testing |
| 07:36.35 | eagles0513875 | then unstable is just unstable |
| 07:36.45 | eagles0513875 | god damn it |
| 07:36.47 | eagles0513875 | found the issue |
| 07:36.51 | ectospasm | unstable is unstable (or sid) |
| 07:36.55 | eagles0513875 | same issue as kubuntu |
| 07:37.03 | ectospasm | KDE? |
| 07:37.05 | eagles0513875 | squeeze installed grub 2 to my usb pen drive |
| 07:37.12 | eagles0513875 | now its working |
| 07:37.13 | eagles0513875 | ffs |
| 07:37.23 | ectospasm | install mbr |
| 07:37.24 | eagles0513875 | i install to my hdd |
| 07:37.27 | eagles0513875 | i did ectospasm |
| 07:37.35 | eagles0513875 | but it seems that it assumes the MBR of the usb drive |
| 07:38.11 | eagles0513875 | tbh its kind of annoying it makes the assumption |
| 07:38.20 | ectospasm | eagles0513875: no, run install-mbr on your USB drive |
| 07:38.28 | eagles0513875 | O_o |
| 07:38.38 | eagles0513875 | the way i have fixed it before is once i boot i remove the usb pen drive |
| 07:38.42 | eagles0513875 | and install grub2 |
| 07:39.03 | eagles0513875 | as i did an apt-cache policy on grub 2 ints not even installed on my hdd |
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| 07:40.16 | eagles0513875 | this is what i dont understand during the net install it asks to install to mbr why it installs it to the mbr of the usb drive instead of the hard disk in the netbook |
| 07:41.06 | ectospasm | yeah, sometimes the grub loader picks the wrong device |
| 07:41.16 | ectospasm | I haven't had that problem, but I've heard about it. |
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| 07:41.57 | eagles0513875 | i have on debian now as well as down stream kubuntu doing that to me |
| 07:41.57 | eagles0513875 | but |
| 07:42.05 | Guest32267 | hi, how can I see which version of debian I am using |
| 07:42.14 | ectospasm | Guest32267: lsb_release -a |
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| 07:42.39 | eagles0513875 | ectospasm: i installed grub2 but how can i tell my system to use the grub version installed on my system and not the one from the usb drive |
| 07:42.56 | ectospasm | Guest32267: if that doesn't work, try "cat /etc/motd" or "cat /etc/issue" |
| 07:43.56 | rjsalts | Guest32267: or /etc/debian_version |
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| 07:44.27 | Guest32267 | thanks |
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| 07:52.11 | negaduck | hi! somewhere i read an article how to optimize ext3 on ssd. There were noatime, data=ordered, etc. And sync every minute instead of 5 secs by default. |
| 07:52.16 | negaduck | How to adjust syncing? |
| 07:52.35 | negaduck | and maybe you know a good article on ext3 optimization? |
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| 07:57.21 | nkuttler | negaduck: search for laptop optimizations. should be the same |
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| 08:11.54 | Popsicle_ | #debian _theradar [Sanyi] kornholi mick_laptop a-atwood Plazma Plazma-Rooolz aravind Busch dwep SPF rjsalts L0C41H05T twisted nomicon amee2k gewt ed1703 bond` diyanc_ ron_o asdf nopf gridl0ck t0h Shadur Spec admin_ cire_nonick erage juso BernardV blomqvist aoh Naoy Justasic FusionX pim_ bbd Dad` chaim k-man aimka cwillu_at_work darksk1ez wallblom_ cplx slon llutz Infra|Red Zharf jon8 hoarycripple |
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| 08:12.25 | FusionX | people enjoy that? |
| 08:12.27 | FusionX | wow |
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| 08:13.14 | avernos | i am playing with ssh -X and there is something i dont understand. when i call gnome-session, it overlaps my current local gnome session, i can see both local apps and remote apps, is this normal? |
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| 08:16.53 | Grotto | is there any way to see how close a package in unstable is to getting into testing? or alternatively to maintain a package and its deps (but _only_ that package) from unstable? |
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| 08:19.01 | Sug | how can i install grub from debian cd ;) |
| 08:19.49 | sep | !fixmbr |
| 08:19.50 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 08:31.36 | Sug | thnaks sep ;) |
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| 08:42.04 | pishguy1 | how to add acronis to live boot? |
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| 08:58.47 | ^_^joirene | hi! is there an open source monitoring for website? A free but great one! |
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| 09:02.25 | Bushmills | what aspects do you want to monitor? |
| 09:04.39 | ^_^joirene | Bushmills: hi! my website, if it is in normal condition. |
| 09:05.04 | ^_^joirene | Bushmills: always available |
| 09:05.08 | Bushmills | a "red/green" indicator? green=normal, red=not normal? |
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| 09:05.38 | Bushmills | for server being up, don't just monitor, but react to server being down |
| 09:05.45 | Bushmills | monit can do that |
| 09:06.02 | ^_^joirene | Bushmills: yes, like that. |
| 09:06.31 | ^_^joirene | Bushmills: i think, report from sms is ok. |
| 09:07.01 | ^_^joirene | Bushmills: only if the server is down. |
| 09:07.01 | Bushmills | monit allows you to define the response on (also definable) conditions |
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| 09:07.17 | ectospasm | ...hmmm. I've got a problem with my Bluetooth mouse. I can see it when pairing, but it won't pair. dbus-daemon reports that it rejects the send message, and I can't see why. Same was for squeeze and wheezy |
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| 09:07.53 | Bushmills | you can for example say "if web site couldn't be reached (using this and that kind of test) then restart web server, and when that still doesn't help, inform the admin" |
| 09:08.03 | ^_^joirene | Bushmills: i will look that monit, that you recommend. |
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| 09:11.02 | ^_^joirene | Bushmills: And thanks for that info! |
| 09:11.09 | Bushmills | np |
| 09:11.54 | Bushmills | apt-cache show monit gives you a run down of its features, so you can check whether that's what you're looking for |
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| 09:12.43 | ^_^joirene | Bushmills: yup! :) |
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| 09:19.29 | chrismay | hi, dpkg --force-architecture -i oracle-xe-universal_10.2.0.1-1.0_i386.deb shows "insserv: warning: script 'oracle-xe' missing LSB tags and overrides". Maybe that's not the problems but doing '/etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure' where no errors are shown the sql engine seems to run but there is no apex server at http://localhost:8080 and trying to login with sqlplus system/oracle@XE "shows ORA-12560: TNS:protocol adapte |
| 09:19.30 | chrismay | r error". Maybe some postinst script aren't executed correctly? Running squeeze and it worked with lenny. |
| 09:20.45 | chrismay | i also installed libc6-i386, bc and did dpkg --force-architecture -i libaio_0.3.104-1_i386.deb |
| 09:20.48 | ectospasm | chrismay: the LSB tags and overrides means the init script doesn't have all the expected LSB bits in it. Doesn't necessarily mean there's a problem |
| 09:21.47 | chrismay | ectospasm: how can i find out what's the problem? |
| 09:22.24 | ectospasm | I dunno. Setting up Oracle always seemed to be a pain for me. |
| 09:22.46 | chrismay | ectospasm: it is, atleast for you and me |
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| 09:23.03 | themill | forcing dpkg to do anything is never a good plan. |
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| 09:23.28 | ma3x | hi im trying to update the date and time with ntp and ntpdate-debian. I have the default configuration files, haven't changed anything. yet i get ntpdate[6519]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 09:23.34 | ma3x | daemon is running and everything |
| 09:23.41 | ma3x | i only get the problem on this box |
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| 09:24.24 | chrismay | themill: thought so, there is a oracle express beta release 11.2 for linux x64. perhaps i should try that using alien |
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| 09:26.41 | chrismay | but i would prefer not doing this, i've no broadband connection at hand |
| 09:27.20 | chrismay | and it surely has it's own problems |
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| 09:30.24 | Bushmills | ma3x: ntpdate, the error says? try to invoke ntpdate with a server name |
| 09:30.58 | Bushmills | ntpd gets its servers from the ntp.conf file, but ntpdate doesn't |
| 09:31.03 | ma3x | i tried ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
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| 09:31.11 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.26 | Bushmills | try with -b option |
| 09:31.30 | ma3x | but if i do ntpdate -u 0.debian.pool.ntp.org it then works |
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| 09:32.18 | ma3x | with -b option i get the same no suitable ... |
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| 09:32.33 | Bushmills | -u indicates that your router or firewall may be too restrictive |
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| 09:33.51 | ma3x | it's restrictive for the incoming, but not so much for outgoing connections |
| 09:34.00 | ma3x | anyway how do i add -u to the ntp daemon |
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| 09:34.48 | Bushmills | you don't. that option has a different meaning for ntpd |
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| 09:36.02 | ma3x | so what do i do then, what's your suggestion? |
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| 09:38.38 | Bushmills | is your problem limited to ntpdate, or do ntpd logs indicate that there's a problem as well? or run ntpq -c peers |
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| 09:39.09 | ayambit | I get /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: pve-manager is broken or not fully installed error from aptitude. |
| 09:39.21 | ayambit | How do I troubleshoot it? |
| 09:39.36 | ayambit | I tried to look into log and google, but so far didn't find out how to. |
| 09:39.58 | Bushmills | ayambit: there doesn't seem to be a package with name pve-manager, nor a file in any package, by the same name |
| 09:40.12 | Bushmills | (not in debian, that is) |
| 09:40.20 | Bushmills | you may have to contact the author or maintainer |
| 09:41.05 | ayambit | Bushmills: I added additional repos, so there is such package. I want to look make apt give me detailed output about what went wrong. |
| 09:41.22 | Bushmills | ayambit: what additional repos? |
| 09:41.50 | ayambit | Specifically, # PVE packages provided by proxmox.com |
| 09:41.51 | ayambit | deb http://download.proxmox.com/debian lenny pve |
| 09:42.01 | ayambit | I already installed this package and it worked. |
| 09:42.07 | ayambit | After that I unistalled it. |
| 09:42.08 | ma3x | Bushmills, no ntpd logs indicate that there is a problem |
| 09:42.13 | Bushmills | apt doesn't know what went wrong. it only knows that *something* went wrong |
| 09:42.22 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.26 | ma3x | with different servers |
| 09:42.35 | ayambit | Bushmills: is there a way to get more debugging info? |
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| 09:42.50 | Bushmills | ayambit: i am sure there is - that is what google is for, after all |
| 09:43.09 | Bushmills | otherwise, look at the install scripts of that package |
| 09:43.17 | ayambit | Um-hum. |
| 09:43.38 | Bushmills | apt only calls those. what they do is not up to apt |
| 09:43.38 | apt | okay, Bushmills |
| 09:43.45 | Sug | Partition table entries are not in disk order |
| 09:43.46 | Bushmills | :) |
| 09:44.06 | Sug | what is that error ? |
| 09:44.26 | Bushmills | ma3x: no lines with 1, 2 or 3 in the st column? |
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| 09:44.44 | Bushmills | or any foreigns ip address in the refid column? |
| 09:45.04 | Bushmills | no host names in in remote column? |
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| 09:46.00 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 09:46.07 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... is there is any way to get a splash screen in squeeze |
| 09:46.58 | ma3x | Bushmills, this is the whole output http://paste.debian.net/120424/ |
| 09:46.59 | ectospasm | cobra-the-joker: explain by what you mean by "splash screen," there are many programs which have them |
| 09:47.19 | ectospasm | cobra-the-joker: ...or do you mean like Ubuntu's plymouth? |
| 09:47.22 | cobra-the-joker | ectospasm: something that ubuntu and fedora have |
| 09:47.24 | cobra-the-joker | yes |
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| 09:48.10 | lancelot_of | i'm on laboratory network and i've to authenticate my user on the browser in order to surf on the web. but after login i often get browser message "No active dhcp lease" and the network often dumps resulting in a really difficult work on rmeote machines. The network administrator said me it's a problem of my local machine, but i can't solve. Please help. Any suggestion? |
| 09:48.13 | ectospasm | cobra-the-joker: you could probably use a framebuffer and show something on that. |
| 09:48.51 | ectospasm | lancelot_of: complain to your lab network admins, sounds like their proxy thingy is broken. |
| 09:49.03 | Bushmills | ma3x: not good. you may have to fiddle a bit with your firewall |
| 09:49.20 | cobra-the-joker | ectospasm: i am not very experienced in that framebuffer thing ... can you direct me to some wiki page or something ? |
| 09:50.15 | lancelot_of | ectospasm, i also setted browser in order to use their proxy, they said for them is all ok |
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| 09:50.45 | ectospasm | cobra-the-joker: I don't know of one off-hand |
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| 09:51.18 | ectospasm | cobra-the-joker: although, you could probably get the Ubuntu package and shoehorn it into Debian. At your own risk, of course... |
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| 09:52.04 | cobra-the-joker | ectospasm: there is a plymouth version in debian repos |
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| 09:52.56 | ma3x | Bushmills, ok thanks |
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| 09:53.10 | ectospasm | cobra-the-joker: well then there ya go! |
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| 09:54.42 | sephii | I did a d-u yesterday and now when I try to play flash videos with flashplugin-nonfree I get an horribly distorted sound |
| 09:55.55 | sephii | Didn't find any bugreport relating the same issue, although I'm getting it on 2 different machines (testings) |
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| 10:08.06 | ectospasm | sephii: googling for "debian flashplayer-nonfree sound" returns a number of hits... |
| 10:09.01 | babilen | sephii: What is the problem? Which version of Debian do you use and which architecture? |
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| 10:12.27 | Bushmills | sephii: try to reduce PCM volume level a bit |
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| 10:23.47 | sephii | ectospasm: #620901 seems to be the one ! |
| 10:23.57 | sephii | thanks for the help |
| 10:24.43 | ectospasm | Bushmills: I learned that reducing PCM volume can make S/PDIF outputs not work |
| 10:24.55 | ectospasm | I *still* think that's voodoo magic |
| 10:25.16 | babilen | sephii: Yes, that is what I suspected as well. So which version of Debian/architecture do you use? |
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| 10:25.51 | ectospasm | ...on the Debian system I had going before I installed Mythbuntu, installing pulseaudio was the only thing that seemed to get sound working through that port |
| 10:27.47 | babilen | sephii: Ok, as you do not seem to be too keen on answering questions, I assume that you use sid and amd64. Could you try: "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc/memcpy-preload.so /usr/bin/iceweasel" and see if that solves the issue? |
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| 10:30.35 | babilen | sephii: The path to memcpy-preload.so is different on wheezy. Please refer to /usr/share/doc/libc6/NEWS.Debian.gz and use /usr/lib/libc/memcpy-preload.so if you use wheezy. |
| 10:30.49 | babilen | stops blind crystal ball support |
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| 11:01.30 | mh_ | about symfony2 forms, are there any way that i can change the name from form[] to any other name when i build a form with createFormBuilder.. |
| 11:02.10 | mh_ | i have tried to hack the name in the formfactory constructor, and it gives me an error.. so.. it seems impossible, any ideas or thoughts? |
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| 11:05.57 | ayambit | Bushmills: I managed to manually correct the issue using install script extracted from package, thanks for insight. |
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| 11:28.42 | voxio | hi guys.. getting a strange error from the kernel on squeeze: http://pastie.org/2095454 (this box has been known to hard kernel panic) any ideas? |
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| 11:33.45 | ectospasm | voxio: does it always panic in the same place? |
| 11:34.04 | voxio | thats the first time i've seen a soft error from the kernel |
| 11:34.08 | voxio | normally the box locks up |
| 11:34.14 | voxio | and I dont get anything in the logs |
| 11:34.36 | ectospasm | voxio: are you always doing the same thing when it crashes, or is it different every time? |
| 11:34.45 | voxio | its the same thing |
| 11:34.50 | voxio | stress testing a java app |
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| 11:35.06 | voxio | thats all this box is used for |
| 11:35.10 | voxio | its a QA machine |
| 11:35.14 | ectospasm | voxio: does it always crash in the exact same spot of the stress testing code? |
| 11:35.29 | voxio | no some times it completes |
| 11:35.39 | ectospasm | ...even for identical tests? |
| 11:36.44 | voxio | yep |
| 11:37.02 | ectospasm | sounds like it could be a weird memory problem. |
| 11:37.12 | ectospasm | try a different stressor program |
| 11:37.14 | voxio | I think its hardware related as the same problem happened when I had centOS on it |
| 11:37.28 | voxio | but I ran memtest over night and everything was fine :( |
| 11:37.33 | voxio | thats the strange thing |
| 11:37.40 | ectospasm | memtest is rather weak for testing memory |
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| 11:37.49 | ectospasm | try running mprime |
| 11:38.06 | ectospasm | mprime will stress both CPU and RAM |
| 11:38.22 | ectospasm | typically if it crashes quickly you have bad RAM or a bad memory controller |
| 11:38.51 | jelly-home | ECC RAM ftw |
| 11:38.56 | voxio | normally it takes hours to crash |
| 11:39.00 | ectospasm | I like to run mprime on a new machine at least for a couple of days |
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| 11:39.17 | voxio | jelly-home: I didn't go EC because it's only supermicro test box |
| 11:39.25 | voxio | not for production |
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| 11:40.25 | voxio | ectospasm: http://www.mcardle.wisc.edu/mprime/download.html is that the latest? |
| 11:40.48 | ectospasm | voxio: I usually get the latest from http://mersenne.org |
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| 11:41.54 | voxio | thanks guys |
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| 11:44.35 | voxio | whats the best way to debug a hard kernel panic? |
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| 11:44.52 | voxio | just start swapping out hardware until the problem resolves itsself ? |
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| 11:45.26 | ectospasm | I think you could run the kernel under valgrind, or use the magic sysreq key (though I've never gotten the latter to work) |
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| 11:50.24 | jelly-home | or set up kdump and hope you don't reserve the exact 128MB portion of RAM that's broken for kdump ;-) |
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| 11:52.32 | ectospasm | and if it's the memory controller, probably the motherboard and/or CPU... |
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| 11:56.58 | minh | Hi there! I'm running squeeze. Is there anyway to increase/boost the overall audio-volume? |
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| 11:58.43 | ectospasm | minh: various mixers don't work for you? alsamixer(gui), gnome-volume-control... |
| 11:59.39 | minh | ectospasm: sure they do. up to 100%. But that is to low. I'm looking for a way to "boost"/gain to e.g. 120% |
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| 12:00.12 | aguitel | abrotman, i follow the guide to install nvidia drivers from dpkg ,de 3D are enable but not xorg.conf file found ,is this correct? |
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| 12:00.31 | abrotman | aguitel: it can be, i don't have an xorg.conf on either of my laptops |
| 12:00.34 | ectospasm | minh: I know with pulseaudio the volume control gives you the opportunity to go past 100% |
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| 12:00.57 | ectospasm | ...or, turn up the gain on your hardware device (speaker volume, amplifier volume, etc.) |
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| 12:01.03 | minh | ectospasm: how to exatcly do that? |
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| 12:01.14 | ectospasm | minh: do which one? |
| 12:01.24 | aguitel | abrotman, compiz is not working ,it freeze |
| 12:01.45 | minh | ectospasm: "volume-control" with pulseaudio |
| 12:01.56 | abrotman | aguitel: i'm sorry, try a sane WM, rule out another problem |
| 12:02.35 | ectospasm | minh: I dunno, I installed pulseaudio, and the gnome-volume-control was pulsified |
| 12:02.53 | ectospasm | minh: I may have rebooted after installing pulseaudio, I can't remember |
| 12:03.07 | minh | ectospasm: alright. let me try! thanks. I'll hit you back |
| 12:03.16 | ectospasm | OK! |
| 12:03.38 | jelly-home | this channel does not condone violence against volunteers |
| 12:04.03 | ectospasm | insults are another thing entirely! |
| 12:04.31 | jelly-home | of course |
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| 12:10.56 | phuss | hello i cant kill minicom with kill -9 |
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| 12:12.13 | phuss | http://pastebin.com/zHDznA0x |
| 12:12.25 | abrotman | kill the PPID |
| 12:12.46 | minh | ectospasm: I don't know. Intalling pulseaudio didn't do anything :-( |
| 12:13.04 | phuss | abrotman: doesnt work for me today :/ |
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| 12:15.33 | wols_ | phuss: what is the PPID? |
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| 12:15.53 | phuss | http://pastebin.com/zHDznA0x |
| 12:16.24 | wols_ | phuss: we already saw that. doesn't answer the question |
| 12:16.52 | phuss | wols_: how can i find the PPID? |
| 12:17.07 | wols_ | pstree for example |
| 12:17.26 | wols_ | first "P" there stands for "parent" btw |
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| 12:18.27 | alfadir | hi, have problems with one older computer after update (sid). keyboard is not found by X. Works in console. Suspect udev/evdev interaction.. any hints how to debug it ? mouse works, and keypresses are registerd (Eterm flashes), just no characters apear. |
| 12:18.42 | alfadir | g15 logitech keyboard |
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| 12:19.57 | alfadir | running with auto detect (eg no xorg.conf) |
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| 12:23.27 | phuss | wols_: what arguemnt ? |
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| 12:26.12 | c0nsense | Hi, o have a server with just zimba mail running, but this zimbra web interface, and some mail accounts are so much slow. see the pic: http://i51.tinypic.com/2hfm4if.png this is normal for a machine with zimbra? |
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| 12:27.16 | digdilem_ | ouch. nfi really c0nsense, purely guessing, but it looks like you don't have enough ram |
| 12:28.14 | ayambit | I did very beautiful thing right now... |
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| 12:28.22 | ayambit | root@Debian0 ~>dd if=/dev/vdb1 of=/dev/vda1 |
| 12:28.23 | ayambit | ^C165169+0 records in |
| 12:28.25 | ayambit | 165169+0 records out |
| 12:28.26 | ayambit | 84566528 bytes (85 MB) copied, 6.00415 s, 14.1 MB/s |
| 12:28.31 | abrotman | ayambit: stop pasting in here |
| 12:28.36 | c0nsense | digdilem: yeah, i'm guessing the same! enough ram. |
| 12:28.49 | abrotman | c0nsense: probably not normal .. perhaps ask #zimbra though |
| 12:29.10 | digdilem_ | c0nsense, with htop, you can also set the cpu bars to show what's iowait, I'm guessing there's a lot of that due to the swap delay |
| 12:29.13 | ayambit | I don't even need help on this. I'll just go bang a wall with my head. |
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| 12:32.32 | c0nsense | degdilem_: how do this? to see the iowait |
| 12:33.31 | digdilem_ | c0nsense, f2, display options, detailed cpu time |
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| 12:34.04 | digdilem_ | but yeah, you'll be wanting to shovel some dimms in that box |
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| 12:34.48 | digdilem_ | as much as you can afford, then you should see your loads come down to something acceptable |
| 12:34.55 | digdilem_ | and response much faster |
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| 12:36.20 | MarKsaitis | Does anybody know any good open source it asset inventory? Something simple and nice? |
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| 12:37.29 | eagles0513875 | hey guys i need help with 2 things |
| 12:37.31 | digdilem_ | aww, i was interested in that answer too |
| 12:37.46 | eagles0513875 | the most annoying is that when i fist installed debian squeeze on my netbook ti somehow installed grub2 to the MBR of the usb pen drive |
| 12:38.11 | eagles0513875 | i installed grub2 from teh repos how do i tell squeeze to default to the one on the system and use that instead of the one on my pen drive |
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| 12:38.36 | failure | how do i mark a package to not be updated ? |
| 12:38.54 | wols_ | eagles0513875: use grub-install to write it to your internal drive |
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| 12:39.02 | wols_ | !tell eagles0513875 about fixmbr |
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| 12:39.07 | wols_ | !tell failure about hold |
| 12:39.23 | eagles0513875 | wols_: the boot loader and MBR r fine |
| 12:39.25 | eagles0513875 | are* |
| 12:39.53 | failure | thanks wols_ |
| 12:39.54 | eagles0513875 | the odd thing and i noticed this on kubuntu as well ti installes grub to the mbr of the pen drive instead of hdd when using a usb pen drive for installation |
| 12:40.23 | wols_ | cause your pen drive is the first drive in BIOS when you boot from it |
| 12:40.52 | eagles0513875 | actually not true |
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| 12:40.57 | eagles0513875 | i have the hard drive set as first boot device |
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| 12:41.02 | eagles0513875 | pen drive is 2nd |
| 12:41.13 | eagles0513875 | i use the selector menu to boot off the ben drive |
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| 12:42.27 | wols_ | you really truly did a check with int 13h to check what it sees as driver 0x80? really? |
| 12:42.46 | eagles0513875 | ? |
| 12:43.18 | wols_ | your assertions what you have set first or second are irrelevant |
| 12:43.38 | eagles0513875 | ok |
| 12:44.11 | eagles0513875 | i have to say though wols_ i am much happier performance wise on squeeze |
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| 12:44.24 | wols_ | than? |
| 12:44.27 | eagles0513875 | kubuntu lol |
| 12:44.33 | eagles0513875 | runs and hides for mentioning that name |
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| 12:44.57 | eagles0513875 | one thing that i have had a hellish time getting into the repos to replace some end of life software the mysql administrator and query browser is mysql workbench |
| 12:45.06 | wols_ | normal. user friendliness, wizards, GUIification always needs more memory and CPU |
| 12:45.41 | aguitel | how downgrade testing to suqeeze ? |
| 12:45.52 | babilen | aguitel: Reinstall the system |
| 12:45.53 | jelly-home | aguitel: "reinstall" |
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| 12:47.13 | aguitel | babilen, i need to downgrade nvidia driver coz bug are in testing |
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| 12:47.43 | wols_ | aguitel: no need for that. you can use the nvidia drivers from squeeze in testing |
| 12:48.07 | wols_ | at least currently. in a year or so when X changes again maybe, probably not |
| 12:48.53 | aguitel | wols_, this is my ussue :http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=160115 |
| 12:48.56 | eagles0513875 | wols_: im at the point where i do alot of compilation of my apps. |
| 12:49.05 | eagles0513875 | wols_: what you had dpkg provide me still hasnt helped :( |
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| 12:49.38 | eagles0513875 | going to be an interesting experience wols_ getting my wifi driver to work |
| 12:49.44 | eagles0513875 | probably have to compile a newer kernel |
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| 12:50.10 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
| 12:50.11 | eagles0513875 | as the 2.6.38-9 kernel in ubuntu had it but it had been upgraded to 2.6.38-10 due to issues in the -9 kernel but it has necessary patches for my atheros wifi card in it |
| 12:50.16 | wols_ | eagles0513875: I doubt it (the need for a kernel compile) |
| 12:50.19 | aguitel | wols_, how use nvidia from squezze in testing ? |
| 12:50.39 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 12:50.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3); experimental: 3.0.0-rc3-686-pae (3.0.0~rc3-1~experimental.1) |
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| 12:50.49 | wols_ | aguitel: just install it. basically like pinning (nvidia has very lax dependencies being closed source) |
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| 12:51.03 | wols_ | aguitel: at most, you'd need to do a ssb, but that's easy too |
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| 12:51.09 | eagles0513875 | wols_: i had a choice during installation to choose my eth0 or wlan0 should i have chosen wlan0 to get my wlan card to work |
| 12:51.26 | wols_ | eagles0513875: no. installer has no WPA support... |
| 12:51.27 | aguitel | wols_, what is ssb |
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| 12:52.40 | wols_ | !tell aguitel about ssb |
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| 12:53.12 | eagles0513875 | wols_: what do i need to install for wpa support |
| 12:53.37 | wols_ | wpasupplicant |
| 12:53.59 | eagles0513875 | what a bout a front end for it |
| 12:54.10 | wols_ | wicd or network manager |
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| 12:54.25 | eagles0513875 | talk about spoiled lol |
| 12:54.33 | aypea[2] | has work on wicd resumed? |
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| 12:54.49 | aypea[2] | nope. poo :/ |
| 12:55.18 | eagles0513875 | aypea[2]: its used alot as an alternative to the broken kde plasma widget in charge of network management at least on downstream kubuntu |
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| 12:56.05 | aypea[2] | eagles: I used it alot but my needs outgrew it. now i ue networkmanager. I still prefer wicd, though 8( |
| 12:56.26 | eagles0513875 | aypea[2]: are you a gnome user? |
| 12:56.30 | Knickz0r | Is it possible to create a symbolic link in debian as root, that can be read/opened by a regular user, but not deleted as that person? |
| 12:56.37 | aypea[2] | nope. xfce. |
| 12:56.55 | failure | no kernel needed i guestos while running xen ? |
| 12:57.10 | wols_ | Knickz0r: maybe if you chattr +i it? |
| 12:57.44 | wols_ | Knickz0r: tho, if you only need read access, you can disable writes easily, hence no deletion |
| 12:57.54 | aypea[2] | knick: ability to delete files is governed by the permissions on the directory. |
| 12:57.59 | eagles0513875 | wols_: do you happen to know the name of the driver i need to install for my atheros ar2427 |
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| 12:58.15 | wols_ | eagles0513875: none. it's done automatically. ath5k |
| 12:58.46 | Knickz0r | aypea[2], wols_: the goal is to create samba shares (done) on a system, and on their personal folder have an extra folder thats shared with other users, but that cant be deleted by that user |
| 12:58.51 | eagles0513875 | wols_: wicd isnt picking up my wifi |
| 12:59.07 | wols_ | eagles0513875: seems I am mistaken. needs ath9k but has no n-support? wtf? |
| 12:59.30 | eagles0513875 | wols_: hence why i said a kernel recompilation is necessary |
| 12:59.34 | wols_ | eagles0513875: you were told about bpo kernels. use it |
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| 12:59.57 | aypea[2] | Knickz0r: put in it a root owned dir and in that dir a root owned file. chmod 000 both. |
| 13:00.00 | eagles0513875 | wols_: those kernels available for 64bit |
| 13:00.23 | wols_ | yes |
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| 13:01.35 | eagles0513875 | wols_: also do the bpo kernels have the patches applied to them |
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| 13:01.48 | wols_ | which "patches"? |
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| 13:02.02 | aypea[2] | Knickz0r: as root that is :) |
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| 13:02.37 | eagles0513875 | pathches from kernel.org for 2.6.38 kernel |
| 13:02.40 | dreamer | does anyone have a tip on how to install to a usb-stick? |
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| 13:02.52 | dreamer | starting from an iso |
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| 13:03.07 | eagles0513875 | wols_: i had issues on kubuntu natty with the stock kernel it shipped with and found out from upstream they had some patches to the kernel for my particular wifi card |
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| 13:04.33 | wols_ | eagles0513875: if you want the absolutely bestest and newest wifi drivers, there is always http://wireless.kernel.org/ |
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| 13:04.48 | eagles0513875 | wols_: also linuxwireless.org too |
| 13:04.59 | eagles0513875 | same site |
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| 13:05.17 | wols_ | damn, forgot the "" on bestest :( |
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| 13:05.49 | eagles0513875 | wols my wifi card is already supported in the kernel hence why im asking if 2.6.38 is patched if the 2.6.38 bpo isnt patched then i wont be able to get my wifi working as on kubuntu i found out that it will cause a nasty kernel panic |
| 13:06.28 | MarKsaitis | Does anybody know any good open source it asset inventory? Something simple and nice? |
| 13:06.34 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: it's probably not patched if the need for extra patching wasn't reported |
| 13:06.47 | eagles0513875 | humm ok |
| 13:06.48 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: try it and see? |
| 13:06.53 | eagles0513875 | ya ill give it a try |
| 13:07.21 | eagles0513875 | what package is iwconfig a part of cuz that doesnt seem to be installed either |
| 13:07.23 | wols_ | eagles0513875: do you honestly think we know what some other distro uses for patches? |
| 13:07.31 | wols_ | wireless-tools |
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| 13:07.52 | eagles0513875 | wols_: no but i asked downstream and they used the kernel.org patches |
| 13:08.56 | wols_ | the last time ath9k was apparently worked on was with 2.6.38 it seems. and bpo is 2.6.38 |
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| 13:12.44 | MarKsaitis | :) |
| 13:13.43 | dreamer | anyone here have experience with unetbootin? |
| 13:14.40 | eagles0513875 | dreamer: i do |
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| 13:16.33 | dreamer | ok, how would I go about getting squeeze on a usb-stick? |
| 13:16.56 | eagles0513875 | dreamer: easy select debian then choose stable either 32bit or 64bit then unetbootin deals with the rest for you |
| 13:17.07 | eagles0513875 | or if you have the iso you can point it where you have the iso |
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| 13:17.34 | dreamer | eagles0513875: well, I did. but it gets the netinstall and I don't want to reboot to install it further |
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| 13:17.53 | dreamer | the pc I want to use it on currently doesn't get dhcp (bofh <_<) so I can't do this on that machine either |
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| 13:18.09 | dreamer | ok. I'll try the point to iso |
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| 13:18.12 | squantrill | anybody good with cups and gnome printing problems ? |
| 13:18.35 | wols_ | dreamer: you don't need network access for a net install |
| 13:18.40 | wols_ | squantrill: ask your real question |
| 13:18.55 | ompaul | squantrill: anybody able to describe a problem so those who know something may decide if they know enough to help the person with the question |
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| 13:19.04 | dreamer | wols_: huh, I thought that was the point .. |
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| 13:19.19 | dreamer | anyway, I have a live-iso already. so I'll try that |
| 13:19.25 | dreamer | first format the stick |
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| 13:19.43 | ompaul | slips on wols comment and falls flat on his face - that should be comedic |
| 13:19.46 | wols_ | dreamer: it's just that netinst installs only a very basic debian and the rest needs the network to get. but it's a fully functional debian |
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| 13:19.56 | squantrill | Ok Printing under gnome firefox etc not working however lpr works and openoffice works I believe it might be a related problem reported ages ago in gtk2 libraries bt not to sure how to continue fault finding |
| 13:20.33 | squantrill | the printing is on a debien 6 server the client is on ubuntu 10.04 others can print to the server |
| 13:20.33 | ompaul | squantrill: are you picking a printer within firefox or just firing it at the first thing you see? |
| 13:20.56 | ompaul | squantrill: does the ubuntu box know that it is a client of the debian box? |
| 13:20.57 | dreamer | is there a way to turn the live-iso into a real install? |
| 13:20.58 | squantrill | printers are defined in /etc/cups/client.conf these are setup on the printer server |
| 13:21.05 | ompaul | squantrill: does the ubuntu box know that it is a client of the debian box? |
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| 13:21.21 | squantrill | client.conf is configured to point at the debian server yes |
| 13:21.33 | ompaul | squantrill: please pastebin it |
| 13:21.37 | ompaul | the config that is |
| 13:21.42 | squantrill | its one line ;) |
| 13:21.46 | dreamer | hmm, 1G is not big enough for a 700mb iso? o.O |
| 13:21.48 | squantrill | hang on |
| 13:21.57 | dreamer | or is that because the squashfs is inflated? |
| 13:22.02 | ompaul | squashfs |
| 13:22.12 | dreamer | hmz |
| 13:22.46 | dreamer | net-install it is -_- |
| 13:23.20 | ompaul | dreamer: you are doing something a little funky there - would you care to write down install cd - hardware - stuff - usb or something |
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| 13:24.00 | dreamer | I'm trying the debian-live-6.0.0-i386-xfce-desktop.iso on a 1G usb-stick with unetbootin |
| 13:24.22 | eagles0513875 | goes back to puzzling over why grub isnt booting off my hard disk granted its installed on the hard disk |
| 13:24.52 | ompaul | squantrill: did you find the issue - really it just needs one thing in it depending on if you have dhcp or what ServerName My.Machine.Lan |
| 13:24.57 | squantrill | http://pastebin.com/qz67bYJ4 |
| 13:25.02 | ompaul | squantrill: that should work straight away |
| 13:25.07 | squantrill | sorry trying to work through pastebin ;) |
| 13:25.24 | squantrill | yes ServerName is set thats it |
| 13:26.02 | squantrill | ompaul: If I check the lpr stats it lists the printers correctly and also allows me to print to lpr |
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| 13:26.14 | ompaul | squantrill: ok /etc/init.d/cups restart |
| 13:26.22 | squantrill | did that |
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| 13:26.48 | ompaul | squantrill: then take it up in #uibuntu it is not a debian problem if you can print from other devices and tell them that it is a client etc |
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| 13:27.00 | squantrill | ;) tried that |
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| 13:27.23 | squantrill | I was hoping somebody could confirm if this might be a gtk2 issue and if so how to troubleshoot |
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| 13:28.33 | dreamer | < wols_> dreamer: you don't need network access for a net installk << so .. you where saying ? |
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| 13:29.16 | squantrill | ompaul: Tafact that it seems to print only not from gtk2 apps would suggest this and as gtk2 is on both debian and ubuntu I thought it would be the same on both ? |
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| 13:29.38 | dreamer | ompaul: which iso shall I take that will fit on 1G of space? |
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| 13:30.17 | wols_ | CD1 ? |
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| 13:31.03 | wols_ | dreamer: CD1 exists in gnome, kde and xfce flavours btw |
| 13:31.10 | dreamer | I don't see it |
| 13:31.28 | dreamer | oh wait |
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| 13:31.43 | dreamer | I was looking in http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/ |
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| 13:32.29 | dreamer | wols_: I want a running system on the stick. so not just the installer |
| 13:32.36 | eagles0513875 | wols_: bpo kernels seem to have broken dependencies :( |
| 13:32.56 | dreamer | and using the netinstal with unetbootin I need network. which I don't have on the computer using the stick |
| 13:33.22 | eagles0513875 | dreamer: download the iso and point unetbootin that way |
| 13:33.34 | eagles0513875 | \o/ bpo kernels r broken :( |
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| 13:33.55 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: how broken are we talking about |
| 13:33.58 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 13:33.58 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 13:33.58 | dreamer | eagles0513875: which iso? |
| 13:34.20 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: dependency issue broken trying a build-dep trick to see if that will solve the issue |
| 13:34.30 | eagles0513875 | dreamer: i dunno one of the cd's |
| 13:34.47 | dreamer | eagles0513875: I already tried debian-live-6.0.0-i386-xfce-desktop.iso which did not fit on 1G |
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| 13:34.56 | dreamer | (because of squashfs probably) |
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| 13:35.12 | abrotman | netinst! |
| 13:35.19 | eagles0513875 | dreamer: then you have no other way but net install |
| 13:35.19 | dreamer | abrotman: I need network for netinst |
| 13:35.25 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 13:35.36 | dreamer | apparently it wants an ip from dhcp |
| 13:35.39 | abrotman | you can get a base system installed with the netinst |
| 13:35.40 | dreamer | or else it b0rks |
| 13:35.44 | abrotman | no, it doesn't |
| 13:35.50 | dreamer | abrotman: then whe DOES it? |
| 13:35.53 | aypea[2] | it wants it but it'll live without it |
| 13:35.53 | dreamer | why* |
| 13:36.11 | abrotman | dreamer: i have no idea .. that's hte only thing you've told me .. lots of people do the netinst without a working network |
| 13:36.27 | abrotman | dreamer: you do the netinst, when it gets to the network config, it will try to do DHCP, should let you do it later |
| 13:36.37 | dreamer | ok, I'll try booting it again .. |
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| 13:38.04 | dreamer | so, I can cancel the network configure .. then it wants to know a mirror. I'll config, but w/e |
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| 13:38.27 | dreamer | then it borks, so I cancel it. the next option is "Download installer components" which I can't do |
| 13:38.30 | dreamer | so what then? |
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| 13:40.45 | wols_ | if you don't set up the network, it doesn't want a mirror |
| 13:40.56 | abrotman | did you do the expert mode or something silly? |
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| 13:41.07 | wols_ | and if you "download isntaller components", you are NOT using netinst |
| 13:41.23 | abrotman | dreamer: are you using the netinst or the business-card ? |
| 13:41.26 | dreamer | wols_: unetbootin -> debian netinst -> boot on pc -> b0rk |
| 13:41.36 | wols_ | dreamer: what ISO did you download. URL |
| 13:41.45 | abrotman | is going to make it his mission to remove unetbootin from the internet |
| 13:41.50 | dreamer | hahaha |
| 13:41.56 | wols_ | abrotman: please do |
| 13:42.05 | dreamer | abrotman: any other tips how to get debian on a usb-stick then? |
| 13:42.09 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: noooo |
| 13:42.10 | abrotman | dreamer: we need the filename of the ISO you used |
| 13:42.13 | eagles0513875 | i rely on that app |
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| 13:42.16 | wols_ | either you succeed and I am happy, or you make a fool out of yourself and I can PAL at you |
| 13:42.21 | abrotman | eagles0513875: unetbootin is a pile of crap .. and screws up 50% of the time |
| 13:42.24 | dreamer | abrotman: no iso: unetbootin default debian netinst |
| 13:42.27 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: never had issues with it |
| 13:42.40 | dreamer | Stable_NetInstall |
| 13:42.40 | abrotman | dreamer: website ? |
| 13:42.45 | eagles0513875 | granted for some reason grub2 installed itself on the MBR of my pen drive instead of on my netbook hard driver |
| 13:42.47 | eagles0513875 | drive |
| 13:42.53 | eagles0513875 | dreamer: yes thats squeeze |
| 13:42.59 | dreamer | abrotman: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:43.07 | dreamer | abrotman: I have no idea which iso they download |
| 13:43.09 | wols_ | dreamer: there is no such ISO file with debian on it. |
| 13:43.12 | eagles0513875 | dreamer: |
| 13:43.16 | eagles0513875 | im teling u what they downloaded |
| 13:43.23 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:43.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:43.25 | eagles0513875 | Stable =NetInstall = 32bit squeeze |
| 13:43.27 | eagles0513875 | sry abrotman |
| 13:43.29 | dreamer | :P |
| 13:43.40 | wols_ | dreamer: please go to cdimage.debian.org. the ONLY place you download debian ISOs |
| 13:44.01 | abrotman | AIUI, you use the tool on an ISO you download .. |
| 13:44.12 | dreamer | bla, I'll do http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:44.24 | wols_ | dreamer: better |
| 13:44.26 | abrotman | great! |
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| 13:45.38 | kaolc2 | trying to install debian, it won't detect my wireless card.. What do I do? |
| 13:45.44 | eagles0513875 | facepalms |
| 13:47.03 | abrotman | kaolc2: plug it in, fix the wifi driver after you install |
| 13:47.04 | wols_ | kaolc2: what wireless chip is it? |
| 13:47.24 | kaolc2 | I'm trying to use the netinstall version.. |
| 13:47.33 | wols_ | kaolc2: that works fine without any network access |
| 13:47.34 | kaolc2 | I can't plug it in as it's a huge stationary |
| 13:47.44 | abrotman | huge stationary? |
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| 13:47.46 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: the 2.6.38 bpo kernel has unmet dependencies is complaining about it depending on linux-base >=3~ but 2.6.32-34 recommends firmware-linux-free >= 3~ but it is not going to be installed :( |
| 13:47.55 | kaolc2 | it's not a laptop |
| 13:47.56 | wols_ | abrotman: pdp11's are big mofos |
| 13:48.08 | abrotman | hands kaolc2 a very long cable |
| 13:48.16 | kaolc2 | ;_; |
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| 13:48.33 | abrotman | kaolc2: what is the wifi chipset? |
| 13:48.40 | kaolc2 | abrotman: I don't know. |
| 13:48.50 | eagles0513875 | thinks a kernel recompilation is in order seeing as i cant use the bpo kernel |
| 13:48.50 | geshp | whats the wireless card? |
| 13:49.06 | kaolc2 | I can't check with software as I just formatted.. |
| 13:49.14 | eagles0513875 | kaolc2: can check with lspci on command line |
| 13:49.20 | wols_ | kaolc2: in the installer, press ctrl+alt+f2 and run "lspci -nn" and you will know |
| 13:49.26 | dreamer | abrotman: huh wth. the installer wants to 'Detect and mount CD-ROM' |
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| 13:49.40 | wols_ | dreamer: did you use unetbootin again? |
| 13:49.45 | eagles0513875 | dreamer: that case it will be ur pen drive |
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| 13:50.04 | dreamer | wols_: yes, i got not a single suggestion what else to use |
| 13:50.23 | themill | eagles0513875: an appropriate version of linux-base is also available from backports. |
| 13:50.25 | wols_ | !tell dreamer about usb install |
| 13:50.34 | kaolc2 | I ran the command but I don't see anything wireless related.. |
| 13:50.48 | abrotman | dreamer: this is why we tell people not to use unetbootin |
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| 13:50.52 | eagles0513875 | themill: O_o ok |
| 13:51.03 | wols_ | kaolc2: usb wlan? |
| 13:51.07 | dreamer | abrotman: well people will use it if there is no other suggestion |
| 13:51.18 | eagles0513875 | themill: what do i need to do to upgrade it |
| 13:51.19 | abrotman | dreamer: you have no other linux? |
| 13:51.26 | eagles0513875 | i have 2.6.32-34 linux-base |
| 13:51.28 | dreamer | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 13:51.30 | wols_ | dreamer: there is a BIG FAT debian install guide. in many languages. and not once it mentions unetbootin |
| 13:51.43 | themill | eagles0513875: did you follow the instructions on the backports website to add it to your sources.list? |
| 13:51.47 | wols_ | eagles0513875: install the linux-base from bpo as well |
| 13:51.49 | dreamer | wols_: not one explains how to properly do an install to usb-stick |
| 13:52.02 | kaolc2 | wols_ I tried plugging in a usb wlan as well, but it didn't work either.. |
| 13:52.05 | eagles0513875 | themill: yya its on the sources list as thats where im trying to install the 2.6.38 kernel |
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| 13:52.22 | kaolc2 | all I see after running lspci is nvidia |
| 13:52.25 | kaolc2 | nvidia everywhere |
| 13:52.26 | themill | eagles0513875: and the command you are giving is ____ and the output is ____. |
| 13:52.28 | eagles0513875 | wols_: linux-base is telling me that its already the newest version |
| 13:52.33 | wols_ | kaolc2: it's not what I asked. if it's a PCI card it is showing when plugged in |
| 13:52.36 | eagles0513875 | sudo apt-get install linux-base themill |
| 13:52.42 | eagles0513875 | and output that its already the newest version |
| 13:52.42 | Zopieux | hello there, I installed a chrooted debian on a NAS (DLINK DNS-320), this squeeze distrib was provided by dlink |
| 13:52.47 | wols_ | !tell eagles0513875 about bat |
| 13:52.52 | kaolc2 | I see a "PCI bridge"? |
| 13:53.00 | Zopieux | my question is simple: do you think I can upgrade my debian system without breaking everything? |
| 13:53.01 | themill | eagles0513875: that won't try to install a new linux-image-* package though, will it? |
| 13:53.05 | wols_ | kaolc2: no. it's a network or ethernet device |
| 13:53.12 | kaolc2 | wols_ I got none of those |
| 13:53.18 | wols_ | kaolc2: ignore all nvidia things. what is left? |
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| 13:53.33 | eagles0513875 | themill: i am issuing sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 13:53.34 | wols_ | kaolc2: if you have none of those then you don't even have an ethernet card? |
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| 13:53.42 | kaolc2 | wols_: AMD, VGA, firewire. That is all. |
| 13:53.43 | dreamer | abrotman: can't I tell the installer from the shell where the 'cd-rom' is? |
| 13:53.43 | eagles0513875 | after that it complains about linux base version |
| 13:53.45 | wols_ | eagles0513875: that cannot work |
| 13:53.52 | abrotman | you don't have one |
| 13:53.55 | themill | eagles0513875: you'll note from the instructions on the backports website that you should do more than that |
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| 13:53.59 | wols_ | kaolc2: anything without a name or scuh? |
| 13:54.05 | kaolc2 | nothing without a name.. |
| 13:54.26 | wols_ | kaolc2: what is left when you don't tell us about nvidia stuff. what else is there |
| 13:54.32 | kaolc2 | wols_: AMD, VGA, firewire. That is all. |
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| 13:54.49 | eagles0513875 | ahhh thats what i missed |
| 13:54.50 | wols_ | kaolc2: and the nvidia chipset is which? MCP?? ? |
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| 13:55.24 | themill | eagles0513875: the firmware and kbuild packages you'll need to get from wheezy directly, should you need them. wget them then dpkg -i is sufficient. |
| 13:55.29 | kaolc2 | ohhh wait.. Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet |
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| 13:55.43 | wols_ | that's your 1GBit ethernet |
| 13:55.49 | eagles0513875 | themill: ok thanks. im new to debian from kubuntu hence all the noobishness in here |
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| 13:56.10 | kaolc2 | but why are my wlan cards not showing up? |
| 13:56.31 | eagles0513875 | themill: i have another issue |
| 13:56.33 | eagles0513875 | is with grub2 |
| 13:56.47 | eagles0513875 | i installed of usb pen drive and it installed grub2 to the MBR of the pen drive instead of hard drive |
| 13:56.50 | wols_ | either you have no PCI WLAN or it's not working. checked BIOS if it'S enabled? for the USB WLAN stick you need to use lsusb. dunno if that is on the installer tho |
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| 13:56.55 | eagles0513875 | i installed grub2 from the repo |
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| 13:57.12 | kaolc2 | wols_ it is enabled, it worked fine on windows before I formatted |
| 13:57.26 | discozohan | Hello! Need some help asap; server has gone to reboot third time in a row |
| 13:57.27 | eagles0513875 | and ran grub-update yet it still wants to use the grub2 on the pen drive for some reason TheAvatar |
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| 13:57.36 | discozohan | so, it goes online, and after 3 mins go to reboot |
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| 13:57.45 | discozohan | what logs should i look at ? |
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| 13:57.50 | wols_ | eagles0513875: grub-update is the wrong way to fix this. grub-install is |
| 13:57.51 | discozohan | in order to get any info about the reason ? |
| 13:57.59 | Knickz0r | copy /var/log |
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| 13:58.02 | Knickz0r | and look |
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| 13:58.11 | eagles0513875 | wols_: ok |
| 13:58.12 | discozohan | i know, i am not good at debian logs |
| 13:58.13 | discozohan | dmesg ? |
| 13:58.47 | wols_ | kaolc2: what hardware is this exactly? pre bought computer or self assembled? |
| 13:59.00 | kaolc2 | wols_ it's an old pre bought computer |
| 13:59.05 | wols_ | which is? |
| 13:59.24 | kaolc2 | what exactly do you want to know? It's an HP pavillion |
| 13:59.35 | kaolc2 | m9051 |
| 13:59.43 | wols_ | well, type number or such. HP might tell you on their website what wlan it uses, etc |
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| 14:00.17 | jelly-home | ,versions firmware-linux-free |
| 14:00.18 | judd | Package firmware-linux-free on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-31~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32-31; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-34squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.32-35; sid: 3; wheezy: 3 |
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| 14:00.46 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: my fault i missed a step |
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| 14:01.14 | eagles0513875 | what parameters do i need to pass grub-install the hdd location? |
| 14:01.29 | wols_ | kaolc2: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareCategory?os=2093&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&sw_lang=&product=3644814#N236 tells me it uses a Lite-On USB wireless stick |
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| 14:01.37 | legba7 | hello, my debian(testing) does not boot anymore after update, last msg after network comes up is grep faild with [[space]] syntax error or something, it seems rsyslogd is broken, what can i do? |
| 14:01.53 | wols_ | kaolc2: so check if you can run "lsusb". if not, you will need to wait until after debian is installed. no big deal |
| 14:02.10 | wols_ | legba7: boot recovery mode and fix it |
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| 14:02.29 | kaolc2 | wols_ I found it online. Technology: Realtek RTL8201N |
| 14:02.31 | legba7 | wols_: tried, the same there |
| 14:02.48 | kaolc2 | wols_: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c01217551&lang=en&cc=us&taskId=135&contentType=SupportFAQ&prodSeriesId=3550541&prodTypeId=12454 |
| 14:02.52 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: you don't need to run grub-install after a mere kernel installation |
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| 14:03.07 | wols_ | legba7: then you run init=/bin/bash since you run testing, I'm sure you're a debian expert and know how to fix it |
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| 14:03.15 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: i need to get grub installed on my hdd instead of to the MBR of my pen drive where it automatically installed it without me specifying |
| 14:03.24 | wols_ | jelly-home: but to fix his grub booting only via pen drive he does |
| 14:03.41 | eagles0513875 | wols_: what parameters do i need to pass to grub-install |
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| 14:04.22 | wols_ | eagles0513875: that's a bit tricky. what is sda right now? |
| 14:04.25 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: wait a bit. Did that installation ever boot from disk? |
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| 14:04.48 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: from usb |
| 14:04.49 | legba7 | wols_: thx |
| 14:04.52 | eagles0513875 | as this is a netbook |
| 14:05.31 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: did it ever boot from the device you've installed Debian onto? |
| 14:05.34 | eagles0513875 | no |
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| 14:06.00 | jelly-home | alright, you might need to run grub-install /dev/thatwholedevice then |
| 14:06.01 | eagles0513875 | as the installer granted it asked me if i wanted to install grub to the MBR it installed it to the MBR of my pen drive granted i installed squeeze onto my netbook hard drive |
| 14:06.04 | kaolc2 | wols_: Do you think I should just take the time and move my computer to an ethernet plug then? |
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| 14:07.28 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: if you installed debian on eg. /dev/sdb1, grub-install /dev/sdb would do it, I guess |
| 14:07.48 | eagles0513875 | its working now |
| 14:08.14 | eagles0513875 | i find it odd how when it asks to install it to the MBR granted u told it to partition and install on the devices hard disk it installs grub to the mbr of the pen drive |
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| 14:08.38 | eagles0513875 | is there a debian kernel channel on oftc? |
| 14:09.07 | pipeline | yes |
| 14:09.25 | wols_ | kaolc2: you should first install debian |
| 14:09.50 | eagles0513875 | pipeline: thanks |
| 14:10.08 | eagles0513875 | i dont think the 2.6.38 bpo kernel has the necessary patches for my wifi device :( |
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| 14:16.45 | dreamer | ok, I ended up dd-ing the live-iso |
| 14:16.55 | dreamer | hope it boots properly |
| 14:17.41 | dreamer | yay, at least I have a stick that does 'something' |
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| 14:19.37 | kaolc2 | wols_: I'm at an ethernet plug now |
| 14:19.43 | kaolc2 | still can't install |
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| 14:20.44 | kaolc2 | package corrupt. Couldn't download package.. |
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| 14:23.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | hello, I have a little problem with os-prober on debian squeeze, it doesn't detect my arch linux installation correctly, it'll tell me that it found archlinux on /dev/sdb3 but in the boot entry it'll put sda3 for the linux kernel root drive, can I just manually adjust grub.cfg? |
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| 14:24.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | I guess I can't since the header tells me to not edit the file, but I've no clue how to get the os_prober template to insert the proper drive for arch |
| 14:25.03 | deadbeef | hello guys, is there some nifty app to configure a whole debian box from terminal ? i mean, in every aspect |
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| 14:25.33 | eagles0513875 | KaffeeJunky123: |
| 14:25.38 | eagles0513875 | you using grub2 |
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| 14:26.12 | kaolc | ughh |
| 14:26.19 | kaolc | nothing seems to work for me |
| 14:26.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | eagles0513875: yes I am, otherwise I'd just edit the menu.lst |
| 14:26.33 | eagles0513875 | KaffeeJunky123: you tried running update-grub |
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| 14:26.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | eagles0513875: ofc, that's how I got the biased boot entry in the first place ^^ |
| 14:27.00 | Goliath | hey |
| 14:27.11 | eagles0513875 | KaffeeJunky123: ok |
| 14:27.18 | eagles0513875 | KaffeeJunky123: check the entry in the fstab |
| 14:27.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | for what? |
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| 14:28.26 | eagles0513875 | partition might not be setup right in the fstab |
| 14:29.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | I don't quiet understand what you mean |
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| 14:30.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | Do I have to have entries for the partitions of my other linux installation in fstab, for update-grub to work properly? |
| 14:30.37 | Justin | KaffeeJunky123: ls /etc/grub.d/*custom* |
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| 14:31.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | Justin: yes I could do just that, but how should I get rid of the biased entry from os-prober? |
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| 14:31.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | eagles0513875: I'll add the drives to fstab and I'll see what happens ^^ |
| 14:32.26 | phb | Is this is a good channel to ask about sbuild? |
| 14:33.44 | Goliath | can someone help me? |
| 14:34.09 | Goliath | i am doing (echo "nameserver 127.0.0.1" > /etc/resolv.conf) but my resolv.conf gets overwritten on boot.... |
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| 14:34.42 | jelly-home | Goliath: how have you installed your local dns recursor server? |
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| 14:36.00 | Justin | Goliath: use resolvconf for that |
| 14:36.11 | jelly-home | Goliath: at least some debian dns server packages have some sort of integration with "resolvconf" system so you don't need to add the line manually |
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| 14:37.46 | Goliath | jelly-home: i want my nameserver to be that |
| 14:37.51 | wols_ | Goliath: are you running debian or ubuntu? asking the same question for both is not exactly nice |
| 14:37.55 | Goliath | when i boot it often changes because of dhcp |
| 14:38.08 | Goliath | i have the problem on both |
| 14:38.48 | L3R4F | Goliath: Do you have a ppp0 interface? |
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| 14:39.26 | jelly-home | Goliath: which dns server package do you have installed? |
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| 14:40.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | eagles0513875: do I have to mount the drives before running update-grub? |
| 14:40.35 | eagles0513875 | KaffeeJunky123: shouldnt have to |
| 14:40.55 | jelly-home | Goliath: since you are configuring 127.0.0.1 as your nameserver, I'm presuming there actually is a nameserver listening there. If there is, it can be probably made to configure resolv.conf automatically on start. |
| 14:40.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | eagles0513875: it's still creating a biased entry |
| 14:41.09 | eagles0513875 | KaffeeJunky123: try mount it then |
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| 14:42.23 | jelly-home | Goliath: eg. bind9 and pdnsd do this automatically, and probably others at this point as well |
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| 14:43.00 | jelly-home | Goliath: in addition to the first question, is "resolvconf" package installed? Which Debian release are you using? |
| 14:43.45 | L3R4F | In my case, this is what caused my resolv.conf to be overwritten every time (/etc/ppp/ip-down.d/0000usepeerdns ), as soon as I deleted it, I never had this pb again |
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| 14:46.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | eagles0513875: I mounted arch @ /arch now, but update-grub still creates a biased entry :/ |
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| 14:47.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | eagles0513875: oh wait it actually did work now |
| 14:47.21 | eagles0513875 | KaffeeJunky123: :D |
| 14:47.27 | eagles0513875 | thank you come again :D |
| 14:47.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | I was looking at the unchanged grub.cfg now |
| 14:47.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | lolz |
| 14:47.37 | eagles0513875 | glad you got it workin |
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| 14:48.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | they should put a notice on os-prober somewhere that you need to have your stuff setup in fstab ^^ |
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| 14:48.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | it doesn't even have a man page :o |
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| 14:52.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | eagles0513875: arch linux is pretty interesting to toy with, they've packages for 3D support in the nouveau drivers, however it seems to be incredibily unstable |
| 14:52.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | I mean, the nouveau drivers not arch in general |
| 14:52.42 | eagles0513875 | KaffeeJunky123: ubuntu has as well but lots of issues with it |
| 14:53.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm not sure yet if nouveau is actually causing gnome3 to freeze |
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| 14:53.40 | eagles0513875 | KaffeeJunky123: what video driver do you have |
| 14:53.43 | eagles0513875 | video card i mean |
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| 14:54.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | gtx240 |
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| 14:54.38 | eagles0513875 | what nvidia driver are you on |
| 14:54.55 | eagles0513875 | ubuntu there have been full system lockups due to bad nvidia driver but latest version from nvidia seems to fix them |
| 14:55.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | wait a second I'll look up the nouveau version |
| 14:56.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | the log tells me it's 0.0.16 |
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| 14:56.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | the version of the module |
| 14:56.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | nouveau_drv.so |
| 14:56.59 | jelly-home | KaffeeJunky123: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 14:57.37 | hugoroy | hello |
| 14:57.50 | hugoroy | i'd like to know if gnome3 is usable in debian sid |
| 14:57.52 | jelly-home | nouveau is a fast moving target, debian (testing/unstable) has a 2 month old package |
| 14:58.00 | Zopieux | hm, what are the main differences between a common x86 and an ARM debian? |
| 14:58.03 | hugoroy | according to this, it's not up to date http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 14:58.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly-home: so debian squeeze is one version behind |
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| 14:58.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | the arch package |
| 14:58.17 | hugoroy | but does it really prevent anyone from using gnome 3? |
| 14:58.24 | jelly-home | KaffeeJunky123: I'd say forget nouveau on squeeze |
| 14:58.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly-home: on squeeze I'm rolling with the normal nvidia drivers |
| 14:58.50 | jelly-home | keep doing that |
| 14:58.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly-home: I will |
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| 14:59.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | I was just impressed that on arch 3D kinda works, without tainting my kernel :) |
| 14:59.13 | nkuttler | Zopieux: the architecture.. and probably some non-free packages missing |
| 14:59.17 | Roasted | Is there any current Debian version that supports gnome3/Gnome Shell? |
| 14:59.18 | topyli | hugoroy: it is, but that can of course change any day |
| 14:59.41 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: kernel recompile form upstream kernel is due :( 2.6.38 bpo isnt patched for my wifi card |
| 14:59.51 | kaolc2 | still hasn't managed to successfully install debian |
| 14:59.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | Roasted: http://packages.debian.org/de/experimental/gnome-session |
| 15:00.00 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: \o/ |
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| 15:00.04 | nkuttler | KaffeeJunky123: fwiw, i'm a happy user of the non-free drivers. didn't have the time to mess with the setup |
| 15:00.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | Roasted: this should answer your question I think |
| 15:00.09 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: /msg judd kernels |
| 15:00.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | nkuttler: yes, they're working pretty good these days |
| 15:00.28 | Zopieux | hm ok |
| 15:00.37 | hugoroy | topyli, do you mean, beyound the usual risk from using sid? ;) |
| 15:01.22 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: the bpo doesnt have the upstream patches |
| 15:01.35 | topyli | hugoroy: well, gnome3 has to be grabbed from exprerimental, so... |
| 15:01.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | Roasted: oh and sorry that the page is localized to german ^^ |
| 15:01.44 | kaolc2 | any good suggestions to get netinstall working on my PC? I've got it plugged in to an ethernet cable and still it can't get a network connection |
| 15:02.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: what's your ethernet chipset/card? |
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| 15:02.10 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: I wasn't suggesting just bpo, sometimes, just sometimes, kernel packages from say unstable or experimental are installable |
| 15:02.12 | nkuttler | kaolc2: well.. do you have an dhcpd on your network? |
| 15:02.36 | Roasted | KaffeeJunky123, no problem. I'm just curious if there are plans in Debian land to support Gnome Shell. Whether it be now in their testing branch or months down the road. |
| 15:02.39 | eagles0513875 | jelly-home: ahh im new to debian so im a bit spoiled when it comes to things working from ubuntu so im learning :D |
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| 15:02.52 | eagles0513875 | but i wouldnt mind learning how to compile the kernel cuz there are some things in it i dont need |
| 15:02.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | Roasted: yes there are plans |
| 15:02.54 | kaolc2 | nkuttler: dont think so |
| 15:02.56 | Roasted | KaffeeJunky123, I've just been doing some reading about other distros. Fedora has Gnome Shell, Ubuntu is with Unity, Mint is using Gnome 3 but no Gnome Shell, etc. Curious what Debian is doing. |
| 15:03.13 | hugoroy | ok topyli |
| 15:03.17 | Bushmills | debian has bash |
| 15:03.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | Roasted: it's supposed to be in the next release, atleast someone here told me so :) |
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| 15:03.21 | Roasted | KaffeeJunky123, do you know of a current way to get Gnome Shell in any variant of Debian? |
| 15:03.22 | hugoroy | i think i'll wait a little bit more then |
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| 15:03.25 | hugoroy | and have more pain with fedora |
| 15:03.26 | nkuttler | kaolc2: well.. then you can't "get" a config obviously, you have to do it manually |
| 15:03.41 | nkuttler | kaolc2: or are you connected to some kind of modem ? |
| 15:03.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | hugoroy: gnome3 is ready to go on arch |
| 15:03.50 | topyli | Roasted: debian is doing the transition to gnome3. it's not in unstable yet, so it's some way away still |
| 15:03.51 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: file bugs on linux-2.6 (the kernel), mention which exact ubuntu release ha ath9k working for you, and maybe debian kernel people will find time to update the driver |
| 15:04.05 | kaolc2 | nkuttler: No, directly into my wall.. Not sure if there's a modem in there |
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| 15:04.24 | Roasted | topyli, so Debian's official answer isn't to use Unity or anything else, but to stay on target with Gnome Shell, like Fedora, etc? |
| 15:04.24 | nkuttler | kaolc2: um... do you have a network admin? |
| 15:04.32 | kaolc2 | nkuttler: I'm at my home. No. |
| 15:04.33 | jelly-home | eagles0513875: or wait until something like 2.6.39 or 3.0.0 hits bpo |
| 15:04.49 | topyli | Roasted: of course. debian always ships vanilla gnome, no? |
| 15:05.00 | nkuttler | kaolc2: how do you usually connect to the network? |
| 15:05.08 | Roasted | topyli, I suppose. But in my defense/naiveness, I haven't used "Debian" in years. Just Debian-based distros. |
| 15:05.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | nkuttler: I guess he's on fiber, so there's a dhcpd or similar on the backend of his provider |
| 15:05.34 | nkuttler | ah, guesses.. |
| 15:05.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | nkuttler: we can't know if he doesn't tell us :) |
| 15:05.54 | kaolc2 | nkuttler: I usually run through a wlan that is connected to my wall but debian won't detect my wireless cards |
| 15:06.05 | kaolc2 | kaffee, yes I'm on fiber |
| 15:06.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | well |
| 15:06.16 | topyli | Roasted: ubuntu will also have gnome3 in oneiric, it just didn't make it to natty. they'll have a unity session (defaut) and a vanilla-ish gnome session with shell |
| 15:06.25 | kaolc2 | I have no idea about dhcpds |
| 15:06.26 | nkuttler | kaolc2: and in the installer you tried the "detect network" thingie? |
| 15:06.35 | kaolc2 | yes, it failed |
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| 15:06.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: what exactly did it tell you? |
| 15:07.01 | Roasted | topyli, I understand. I know 11.10 will have Gnome 3 with the ability to install Gnome Shell, but I'm just trying to see what other distros are doing. Besides, what if I want to use Gnome Shell and Ubuntu is gung ho about Unity and won't support GS? That's why I was curious about Debian and their future of GS. |
| 15:07.04 | nkuttler | kaolc2: no idea then. sounds like a question for your isp |
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| 15:07.24 | kaolc2 | nkuttler: It works just fine when plugged into ubuntu or windows |
| 15:07.34 | blah | hi, i've got a miniitx board and i'd like to connect via vnc to it. if i use gnome it somehow fails to start X-server if no monitor is connected so i installed xthightvnc which handles the vnc connections.... now my problem is, if i connect in xthightvnc it does not take commands typed by a keyboard (or in my case a ps-3 controller), it only shows the stuff send by the vnc-client |
| 15:07.47 | kaolc2 | Kaffee: It just said that automatic network config failed or something along those lines, no details |
| 15:07.56 | nkuttler | kaolc2: use alt + rightarrow to go to a shell, there type 'ifconfig' |
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| 15:07.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | and what's your networkcard? |
| 15:08.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | maybe you need a non-free firmware for it |
| 15:08.16 | kaolc2 | Kaffee: Realtek RTL8201N |
| 15:08.19 | topyli | Roasted: debian will have vanilla gnome3, with shell. ubuntu will have gnome-shell but it'll probably be in universe, not main |
| 15:08.23 | blah | has anybody an idea what i might try to get the keyboard input working? |
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| 15:08.29 | kaolc2 | nkuttler booting now |
| 15:09.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: you need a non-free firmware for it to work |
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| 15:09.11 | topyli | Roasted: ask on ubuntu channels, they have people who know more about their plans :) |
| 15:09.11 | kaolc2 | Kaffe: How do I get it? |
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| 15:09.31 | Roasted | topyli, well, I was there. I was just asking in here to see what's up with Debian's plans, that's all. Thanks for your insight! |
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| 15:10.03 | legba7 | hi, how/where do i get an old package (rsyslog 5.8.0-1) when the newer installed version is broken and apt cache is clean? |
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| 15:10.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: you need to add it to your netinstall cd, or place the package somewhere you've access to while installing from the cd |
| 15:10.16 | kaolc2 | /bin/sh: Ifconfig not found |
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| 15:10.56 | antiwire | ifconfig |
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| 15:11.17 | kaolc2 | Kaffee: Is there any place where I can read explicit instructions on doing this? I had someone else link me to the page yesterday but since I just formatted.. It's gone |
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| 15:12.26 | nkuttler | kaolc2: hm, if you still have your ubuntu install you could look in /lib/firmware/ and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ seems to have isos with the firmware for download |
| 15:12.46 | nkuttler | and links to the tarballs |
| 15:13.44 | karlpinc | kaolc2: The instructions are in the install guide. |
| 15:13.47 | karlpinc | !tell kaolc2 about ignite |
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| 15:13.57 | karlpinc | !gell kaolc2 about ig |
| 15:14.00 | kaolc2 | nkuttler: I don't have an ubuntu install, I'm writing from another computer |
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| 15:14.11 | karlpinc | !tell kaolc2 about ig |
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| 15:14.36 | karlpinc | kaolc2: The install guide is very detailed. |
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| 15:15.04 | kaolc2 | I don't see where on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ there's isos with the firmware I need |
| 15:15.07 | kaolc2 | any direct links? |
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| 15:15.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: I was away for some seconds, no I don't know of a direct link to an iso with the firmware that you need |
| 15:16.03 | kaolc2 | nkuttler said he saw it on there so it was directed at him, thanks though |
| 15:16.22 | nkuttler | kaolc2: see the install guide like karlpinc said |
| 15:16.55 | kaolc2 | alright.. thanks |
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| 15:18.19 | aguitel | how enable in /home documents downloads pictures videos folder ? |
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| 15:19.04 | pfo | has anyone ever observed the following nss-ldapd issue: getent passwd runs within a second, id on a user returned by getent passdw takes ober a minute? |
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| 15:21.17 | pfo | doing same query as nslcd via ldap-search runs very smoothly |
| 15:21.58 | Marf_ehv | Hi there after running the command apt-get check i faced with the following error "Reading package lists... Done |
| 15:21.58 | Marf_ehv | Segmentation faulty tree... 0% " And the error persist even when removing bin files on the location /var/cache/apt. Could anyone give me a clue what to do? |
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| 15:26.31 | sphenxes | I was updating my system and got the following error: Replaced by files in installed package util-linux ... |
| 15:26.31 | sphenxes | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/e2fsprogs_1.41.12-4stable1_amd64.deb (--install): |
| 15:26.31 | sphenxes | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.31 | sphenxes | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 15:26.31 | dpkg | sphenxes: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 15:28.01 | sphenxes | during my debian/squeeze update i got the following error: http://paste.debian.net/120449/ |
| 15:28.44 | stew | judd: versions e2fsprogs |
| 15:28.45 | judd | Package e2fsprogs on i386 -- lenny: 1.41.3-1; squeeze: 1.41.12-2; sid: 1.41.12-4; wheezy: 1.41.12-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.41.12-4stable1; experimental: 1.41.14-1 |
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| 15:29.10 | stew | sphenxes: are you installing from squeeze-proposed-updates |
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| 15:29.44 | stew | sphenxes: did you delete /usr/share/locale/ca? |
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| 15:30.16 | sphenxes | stew, may be, i was using Bleachbit to clean my system |
| 15:30.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | sounds bad |
| 15:30.49 | stew | what is bleachbit? |
| 15:31.01 | legba7 | hi, how/where do i get an old package (rsyslog 5.8.0-1) |
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| 15:31.25 | wols_ | ,versions rsyslog |
| 15:31.26 | judd | Package rsyslog on i386 -- lenny: 3.18.6-4; lenny-backports: 4.6.4-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.4-2; sid: 5.8.1-1; wheezy: 5.8.1-1 |
| 15:31.32 | stew | legba7: http://snapshot.debian.org |
| 15:31.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | stew: sounds like something that screws up your system |
| 15:31.45 | sphenxes | stew, a program that clean cache and tmp files |
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| 15:32.32 | sphenxes | KaffeeJunky123, I agree |
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| 15:32.56 | legba7 | stew: thx |
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| 15:35.11 | Marf_ehv | Hi there after running the command apt-get check i faced with the following error: http://paste.debian.net/120452/ |
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| 15:36.02 | Marf_ehv | I got this error after removing the bin files on location /var/cache/apt |
| 15:36.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | sphenxes: did you try a dpkg-reconfigure e2fsprogs yet? |
| 15:36.33 | Marf_ehv | FYI Im running debian squeeze |
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| 15:36.38 | Justin | Marf_ehv: does apt-get update fix it? |
| 15:36.39 | sphenxes | KaffeeJunky123, no, but i will try it |
| 15:37.29 | Marf_ehv | Justin: apt-get update --> Reading package lists... Done |
| 15:37.43 | Justin | Marf_ehv: do you not have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 15:38.43 | itchi | And i would suggest a apt-get clean too, for sure |
| 15:38.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | I would suggest using aptitude :] |
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| 15:39.23 | itchi | yeah, aptitude is much more cool, and it just rocks :P |
| 15:39.23 | Marf_ehv | Justin: no /etc/apt/source.list is not empty please see: http://paste.debian.net/120454/ |
| 15:39.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | itchi: but it doesn't have cow powers |
| 15:39.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | itchi: you should keep that in mind |
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| 15:39.48 | Justin | Marf_ehv: what else did you do to your system ? |
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| 15:39.58 | itchi | KaffeeJunky123: :) |
| 15:40.36 | itchi | I never used that "check" i must admit |
| 15:40.45 | sphenxes | KaffeeJunky123, i have tried dpkg-reconfigure e2fsprogs but same problem |
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| 15:40.56 | xbayrockx | hey in debian im trying to install bzip2 |
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| 15:41.00 | Marf_ehv | itchi: see the results here http://paste.debian.net/120455/ however the issue still remains |
| 15:41.00 | xbayrockx | but im getting an error |
| 15:41.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | sphenxes: the same error message? |
| 15:41.09 | xbayrockx | E: Package 'bzip2' has no installation candidate |
| 15:41.20 | xbayrockx | Package bzip2 is not available, but is referred to by another pa |
| 15:41.31 | itchi | Marf_ehv: What about "clean" ? |
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| 15:41.56 | sphenxes | KaffeeJunky123, instead of .../ca/LC_messages i get /de/LC_MESSAGES |
| 15:42.10 | itchi | Marf_ehv: I would suggest to strace that ie: strace apt-get check (but you need to install strace i guess) |
| 15:42.35 | Marf_ehv | Justin: I did a svn checkout in order to install asterisk-gui from location "http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk-gui/trunk " and from than apt-get ran into trouble |
| 15:42.47 | itchi | Maybe post the output of it, maybe some hint's in it |
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| 15:43.15 | xbayrockx | anyone help me ? |
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| 15:43.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | sphenxes: you could try a --force |
| 15:43.58 | kaolc2 | what's the difference between an ext3 file system and for example fat32? |
| 15:44.02 | wangb | i want to be an hacker...witch website shoud i go? |
| 15:44.09 | omani | update-rc.d doenst work when I give NN boot order for apache2. |
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| 15:44.13 | omani | what could be the problem? |
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| 15:44.28 | DammitJim | is there a way to allow for a username to have a dot in it? |
| 15:44.28 | itchi | Marf_ehv: In that case i strongly suggest to strace that then |
| 15:44.37 | Marf_ehv | itchi: thnxs for advice however I can't do any installation because of the segmentation error or does this basically mean do a reinstall :( |
| 15:45.00 | DammitJim | or is that convention discouraged for a reason? |
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| 15:45.11 | itchi | Marf_ehv: No reinstall needed, you can web-fetch the strace if needed and install by hand with dpkg -i ...deb |
| 15:45.35 | itchi | Marf_ehv: or just try to remove what you installed :) |
| 15:46.12 | Marf_ehv | itchi thnxs i will wget it on my system |
| 15:46.34 | itchi | Marf_ehv: And if realy needed with a live debian, chroot your current system and there you go for another start |
| 15:46.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | sphenxes: did it break? |
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| 15:46.58 | dp | trying to ssh to a debian box (on it's public IP), and I get stuck in a SYN_RECV loop. netstat -not | grep :22 shows an increasing timeout. any ideas? |
| 15:46.58 | sphenxes | KaffeeJunky123, yes it is broken |
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| 15:47.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | sphenxes: still the same error? |
| 15:48.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | complaining about that missing file |
| 15:48.13 | kaolc2 | what's the difference between an ext3 file system and for example fat32? |
| 15:48.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | fat32 sucks :) |
| 15:48.28 | sphenxes | KaffeeJunky123, should i use dpkg -r --force-all e2fsprofgs |
| 15:48.35 | itchi | kaolc2: fat32 sucks and should be used anymore?? :) |
| 15:48.36 | nkuttler | kaolc2: um.. just use ext3 |
| 15:48.46 | itchi | er, shouldn't !! |
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| 15:48.55 | nkuttler | well, fat32 is support by almost any device, so it has it's uses |
| 15:48.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: fat32 can't do a lot of things that are vitally important nowdays |
| 15:48.59 | kaolc2 | nkuttler: Okay.. |
| 15:49.07 | kaolc2 | I'll just use ext3, okay |
| 15:49.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: it is used for small shared drives mostly |
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| 15:49.24 | pickcoder | fat16 sucks.. fat32 is a bridge I wouldn't want to burn ight now |
| 15:49.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | when you want to be windows compatible |
| 15:49.26 | kaolc2 | I had to end up downloading the full cd instead of the netboot so I hope this works out better |
| 15:50.07 | itchi | just install a ext3 reader/writer for windows that's it. But yeah, fat32 can't be trashed yet |
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| 15:50.23 | nkuttler | nah, just format the windows partition |
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| 15:50.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | sphenxes: try it out |
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| 15:51.29 | Zopieux | hello, i've installed a chrooted debian on a NAS and when I try to launch eg. transmission it says |
| 15:51.29 | Zopieux | Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected |
| 15:51.37 | Zopieux | (i'm using the ARM debian) |
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| 15:53.04 | dp | trying to ssh to a debian box (on it's public IP), and I get stuck in a SYN_RECV loop. netstat -not | grep :22 shows an increasing timeout. any ideas? |
| 15:53.23 | kaolc2 | yay installing base system \o/ |
| 15:53.38 | nkuttler | Zopieux: you probably didn't mount /dev/ |
| 15:53.59 | nkuttler | kaolc2: way to go |
| 15:54.04 | Zopieux | hm |
| 15:54.19 | Zopieux | it's a chrooted debian as I said, i used the environment provided by DLINK |
| 15:54.22 | kaolc2 | nkuttler: I'm just wondering how to get my wireless working once I have the base installation down.. But it should be solvable |
| 15:54.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: congratulations |
| 15:54.28 | nkuttler | Zopieux: you probably didn't mount /dev/ |
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| 15:54.43 | wols_ | Zopieux: you need to bind mount /dev into the chroot probably |
| 15:54.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: if there's a working driver for your kernel version it should be possible |
| 15:54.48 | nkuttler | kaolc2: well you'll probably need some non-free firmware again.. if the card is supported at all |
| 15:54.56 | Zopieux | the script does this: |
| 15:54.56 | Zopieux | mount --bind /dev $DISTDIR/dev |
| 15:55.02 | kaolc2 | Hmm okay, I'll have to look into it later |
| 15:55.09 | Zopieux | distdir is the debian squeeze location |
| 15:55.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | nkuttler: since it worked with bunutu, why shouldn't it work on debian, if not for the kernel version? |
| 15:55.16 | nkuttler | Zopieux: and what's the output of mount ? |
| 15:55.20 | kaolc2 | I have two wireless cards, one usb.. Chances are one of them will work somehow |
| 15:55.27 | nkuttler | KaffeeJunky123: you're too logical |
| 15:55.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | nkuttler: or conflicting modules :) |
| 15:55.47 | Zopieux | nkuttler, i've got: /dev/root on /mnt/HD/HD_a2/squeeze/dev type ext2 (rw) |
| 15:55.58 | Zopieux | let me pastebin. |
| 15:56.06 | nkuttler | Zopieux: from the chroot |
| 15:56.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | nkuttler: is that so? |
| 15:56.14 | Zopieux | i'm in |
| 15:56.16 | nkuttler | KaffeeJunky123: what? |
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| 15:56.41 | kaolc2 | "too logical", nkuttler |
| 15:56.44 | Zopieux | nkuttler, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/415463/ |
| 15:56.47 | rgr | kaolc2: did you post the types of cards yet? |
| 15:56.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | nkuttler: You said that I was too logical :] |
| 15:57.00 | rgr | But he meant illogical of course. |
| 15:57.02 | kaolc2 | rgr: I posted one, let me find it again |
| 15:57.36 | kaolc2 | All the info I have on my desktop is here: http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=120&prodSeriesId=3550541&prodTypeId=12454&objectID=c01217551&printver=true yes, HP sucks and didn't write anything on the box so that's all I got |
| 15:57.41 | nkuttler | KaffeeJunky123: the appropriate response would have been "thanks" |
| 15:57.46 | rgr | kaolc2: word of advice, if you're new to Debian and are not a pauper, just go and buy a wireless card that works... |
| 15:57.55 | itchi | Marf_ehv: Did you finaly do that apt-get clean? Found this one too http://www.deanlee.cn/linux/apt-get-segmentation-faulty-tree/ |
| 15:58.04 | kaolc2 | rgr: I have two, with the right drivers at least one has to work somehow |
| 15:58.10 | nkuttler | Zopieux: i don't see /dev mounted anywhere |
| 15:58.24 | Zopieux | hm ok, sorry, i'm quite new to all this |
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| 15:58.39 | Zopieux | so i should mount /dev somewhere |
| 15:58.43 | nkuttler | something like mount --bind /dev /foo/bar/dev |
| 15:58.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | nkuttler: looking back, you're probably right =], so thank you |
| 15:58.51 | nkuttler | but i haven't done chroots like for a long time |
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| 15:59.23 | rgr | kaolc2: why does one "have to work"? |
| 15:59.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | rgr: oh comon, we can guide him to recompile his own kernel if he needs to =) |
| 15:59.32 | rgr | dont be silly. |
| 15:59.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | murphys law implies they both don't work |
| 15:59.51 | kaolc2 | rgr: What I meant was that since I have two there's a double chance so I'm HOPING one will work |
| 16:00.00 | itchi | Marf_ehv: If you google your error you will get lot's of posts with that same fix |
| 16:00.02 | rgr | err, and do they? |
| 16:00.05 | Zopieux | nkuttler, there is this at startup: mount --bind /dev squeeze/dev |
| 16:00.15 | kaolc2 | Kaffee: Teach me to code my own kernel from scratch pls |
| 16:00.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: uh |
| 16:00.48 | kaolc2 | didn't think so :) |
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| 16:00.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | I know next to nothing about kernel space development :O |
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| 16:01.22 | kaolc2 | well I'm done installing, I hope it boots now |
| 16:01.24 | rgr | kaolc2: you will spend hours. Someone will surely start telling you how easy it is to compuile kernels and install them etc and before you know it your system will be hosed. Go buy a card that works out of the box and learn by doing after. OR try the Liqouroix kernels (a better idea) to see if they suport your cards. |
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| 16:01.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: did it install the bootloader successfully? |
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| 16:01.46 | kaolc2 | Kaffee: Yes |
| 16:01.50 | rgr | huh? |
| 16:02.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc2: sounds promising :) |
| 16:02.01 | rgr | Are talking a first time isntall here? |
| 16:02.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | is there a ruel prohibiting idling in #debian from an arch linux ;) ? |
| 16:02.57 | rgr | kaolc2: is this a first time debian install for you? And you dont yet have a running desktop? |
| 16:03.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | rgr: he had troubles with his networkcard drivers, needed a special image with non-free firmware |
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| 16:03.25 | rgr | yes, dont tell noobs its easy to compile kernels with vendor specific drivers in ... ;) |
| 16:03.33 | kaolc | rgr: I'll take it into consideration but I'm hoping I will just need some non-free drivers |
| 16:03.41 | rgr | KaffeeJunky123: obviously. But what was that about boot loader? |
| 16:03.45 | kaolc | also: it boots \o/ |
| 16:03.53 | rgr | kaolc: so is this a first install? |
| 16:03.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | rgr: just a joke :) |
| 16:04.03 | kaolc | rgr: Yep, coming frm ubuntu and too much windows |
| 16:04.05 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Actually using the utilities available in Debian, kernel modules can be compiled automaticaly. |
| 16:04.12 | itchi | Marf_ehv: Need to go, but ask here or leave another msg on #debian-nl (and be patient there ;)) |
| 16:04.14 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: I know they can. |
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| 16:04.24 | rgr | I didnt suggest compiling kernels... |
| 16:04.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | rgr: and that doesn't involve recompiling kernelz |
| 16:04.42 | rgr | kaolc: so how do you know they dont work out of curiosity? |
| 16:04.55 | rgr | m-a is a great tool. |
| 16:05.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | rgr: they didn't work in the installer :) |
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| 16:05.09 | kaolc | rgr: They didn't work when I was using the netinstaller, that is all |
| 16:05.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | rgr: dkms is better |
| 16:05.13 | kaolc | so I really don't know |
| 16:05.14 | rgr | they never do. |
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| 16:05.52 | rgr | exactly. OK. this was a bit of a waste of time ;) try the non free firmware etc and come back ;) Maybe you will be lucky! But google up lsusb and lspci so you can identify the chipsets. |
| 16:05.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | rgr: isn't m-a already replaced by dkms on squeeze? |
| 16:05.56 | Jhonny5 | hi |
| 16:06.08 | kaolc | ah you simply misunderstood me.. Sorry ^^ |
| 16:06.30 | kaolc | debian feels a bit.. Empty? Coming from ubuntu |
| 16:06.36 | kaolc | oh well, time to change that I guess |
| 16:06.41 | rgr | no idea. I used m-a to install nvidia stuff recently. I keep hearing "dkms" but really have no idea. I havent tinkered with HW for a while now so have no driver issues to speak of. |
| 16:07.00 | Jhonny5 | hey, any of you guys have a grub error while installing the netinstall in squeeze ? |
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| 16:07.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | rgr: from the repositories or from nvidia? |
| 16:07.27 | rgr | at what stage in the install? |
| 16:07.31 | kaolc | time to move my huge stationary computer 100 meters back to my room.. Stupid ethernet cables and their short range, lol |
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| 16:07.45 | rgr | kaolc: err, if the wireless works... |
| 16:08.00 | kaolc | rgr: I'm assuming I can download stuff on my netbook? And transfer |
| 16:08.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | kaolc: long ethernet cables exist |
| 16:08.09 | rgr | transfer how? |
| 16:08.13 | kaolc | Kaffee: I know, but I have none |
| 16:08.14 | kaolc | rgr: usb |
| 16:08.19 | rgr | hahaha |
| 16:08.30 | rgr | ok, that was silly of me.. |
| 16:08.34 | kaolc | did I say something dumb? |
| 16:08.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | rgr: you're mean |
| 16:08.38 | kaolc | oh |
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| 16:08.41 | rgr | but how do you propose to install things... |
| 16:08.51 | kaolc | rgr: I don't know, that's why I am asking you |
| 16:08.57 | jef91 | how do I build a debian package with a custom argument passed to configure/autogen.sh? What should my rules file look like? |
| 16:09.07 | kaolc | I was assuming I could just download an sh file, transfer it and run it |
| 16:09.11 | rgr | you#re the one who wants to take your unsetup pc off the network ;) |
| 16:09.12 | kaolc | something along those lines anyway |
| 16:09.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | jef91: did you read the maintainer guide? |
| 16:09.20 | rgr | kaolc: not you cant... |
| 16:09.23 | kaolc | um technically it was never ON a network |
| 16:09.30 | kaolc | I used the full cd1 installer instead |
| 16:09.35 | rgr | well you can but only if you know what youre doing AND you want to break repository management- |
| 16:09.38 | jef91 | I've been through it - not terribly clear KaffeeJunky123 |
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| 16:09.43 | kaolc | ugh |
| 16:09.45 | rgr | kaolc: really? |
| 16:09.49 | kaolc | rgr: yep |
| 16:09.57 | rgr | so how did you install a full set up? |
| 16:10.03 | rgr | all from dvd? |
| 16:10.05 | kaolc | yeah |
| 16:10.06 | kaolc | well usb |
| 16:10.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | ^^ |
| 16:10.31 | rgr | well, good luck. but how you expect to install non standard etc without being online is your business. |
| 16:10.43 | rgr | but maybe your wireless just works. Did you try it yet? |
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| 16:10.51 | kaolc | No, I didn't.. hmm |
| 16:10.54 | kaolc | I'll fetch it |
| 16:10.56 | rgr | right... |
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| 16:11.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh my |
| 16:11.13 | brainsoft | please help! ive deleted a file doing cp file1 file2 and i need to recover file2 what can I do? |
| 16:11.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | an emacs user, no wonder he's so mean ;D |
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| 16:11.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | one vim to ruel them all, brb |
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| 16:12.34 | Bushmills | brainsoft: i'd restore the file from backup |
| 16:13.05 | kaolc | So, I plugged in my USB Wlan adapter.. How can I check if it works? |
| 16:13.20 | neoice | iwconfig? |
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| 16:14.28 | Bushmills | kaolc: lsusb. see what wlan controller it has |
| 16:14.50 | Bushmills | then make sure you got the needed firmware, if there's anything additional needed |
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| 16:16.10 | kaolc | um.. Wlan controller, where? |
| 16:16.40 | kaolc | Linksys WUSB54GC v1 802.11t adapter (Ralink RT73) is all I see |
| 16:17.13 | Bushmills | rt73 is ok. well supported, i think |
| 16:17.22 | kaolc | So what do I do now? |
| 16:17.35 | Bushmills | lsmod | grep rt73 |
| 16:18.41 | kaolc | Busmills, I got some output.. Want me to write it all over? |
| 16:18.57 | Bushmills | no. seems you're ok to configure your wlan |
| 16:19.11 | kaolc | but how? |
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| 16:19.49 | Bushmills | what neoice said. also wpasupplicant |
| 16:20.33 | kaolc | there is no iwconfig nor ifconfig |
| 16:20.43 | kaolc | command not found |
| 16:20.52 | pickcoder | kaolc: there are a ton of examples for configuring wireless devices on Debian ranging from using a GUI network tool to using /etc/interfaces |
| 16:21.03 | kaolc | Google time then, thanks |
| 16:21.05 | Bushmills | wiki.debian.org surely has pages on how to setup wlan |
| 16:21.09 | jef91 | how do I build a debian package with a custom argument passed to configure/autogen.sh? What should my rules file look like? |
| 16:21.38 | pickcoder | kaolc: wireless-tools |
| 16:22.31 | pickcoder | (more precisely that should be /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 16:23.08 | kaolc | pickcoder: permission denied. Sudo isn't working.. |
| 16:23.11 | kaolc | What do I do? |
| 16:23.25 | kaolc | o hwait.. su |
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| 16:24.09 | kaolc | orr not |
| 16:24.13 | Bushmills | "isn't working" is usually used synonyously with "i haven't set stuff up correctly" |
| 16:25.00 | kaolc | hmm you have a point |
| 16:25.38 | kaolc | but I can't use apt-get without an Internet connection.. Sigh |
| 16:25.48 | Zopieux | nkuttler, some say I may ln -s /dev/urandom /dev/random! because urandom does exist |
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| 16:27.37 | Bushmills | Zopieux: wrong order |
| 16:27.51 | Zopieux | yes maybe |
| 16:27.53 | Bushmills | and urandom is more likely to exist |
| 16:28.16 | Zopieux | hm no it's the right order |
| 16:28.24 | Zopieux | i want to /dev/random -> /dev/urandom |
| 16:28.43 | Bushmills | hm, i misread. i read "doesn't exist" |
| 16:28.47 | Zopieux | :) |
| 16:28.57 | Zopieux | i don't know if this workaround is clean |
| 16:29.02 | Zopieux | let's see if it works |
| 16:29.24 | Zopieux | the point is to fix "no entropy gathering module detected" |
| 16:29.25 | Bushmills | not recommended for high quality random requirements, but workable |
| 16:29.43 | Zopieux | haha it does work for transmission. |
| 16:30.31 | dp | trying to ssh to a debian box (on it's public IP), and I get stuck in a SYN_RECV loop. netstat -not | grep :22 shows an increasing timeout. any ideas? |
| 16:30.34 | kaolc | unable to mount No/Exceptio |
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| 16:37.24 | thewanderer1s | how do I rename a network interface at runtime? I want eth0 to be called lan0, but without restarting the machine and disrupting the traffic |
| 16:37.50 | Corey | thewanderer1s: udev |
| 16:37.55 | thewanderer1s | the changes are already in udev rules, now I need to commit them |
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| 16:41.17 | Justin | thewanderer1s: ifrename can rename stuff, dunno how udev does it |
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| 16:42.10 | thewanderer1s | found something relevant... iproute2 seems to be able to handle that |
| 16:42.27 | Justin | ah, that's probably better than ifrename |
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| 16:42.38 | thewanderer1s | at least no config files |
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| 16:44.18 | thewanderer1s | thanks for your interest, anyway, Corey and Justin |
| 16:44.19 | babilen | thewanderer1s: I guess you are looking for "udevadm trigger" (also check the options) |
| 16:45.30 | thewanderer1s | hm, sounds useful as well |
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| 16:49.28 | kaolc | so I've learned my first important Debian lesson. Debian is not ubuntu. |
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| 16:49.52 | pickcoder | kaolc: no way! |
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| 16:49.58 | kaolc | I finally downloaded sudo but now I realized I don't even have a c compiler ;_; |
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| 16:50.10 | Justin | uh. why would you try to compile sudo? |
| 16:50.26 | kaolc | because it was the only offline download I could find |
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| 16:50.32 | Justin | fail |
| 16:50.32 | kaolc | I don't have an internet connection yet |
| 16:50.40 | kaolc | no apt-getting |
| 16:50.57 | Justin | perhaps you should fix that first, then worry about sudo later? |
| 16:51.05 | kaolc | I can't, without sudo |
| 16:51.07 | cheater_ | use apt offline |
| 16:51.08 | pickcoder | kaolc: grab a copy on another machine and use a usb drive or CD |
| 16:51.33 | themill | kaolc: why can't you fix your network connection without sudo? |
| 16:51.51 | kaolc | themill: I need it to get access to /interfaces stuff.. At least that's what I think |
| 16:52.03 | themill | kaolc: su - |
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| 16:52.19 | pickcoder | login as root? |
| 16:52.29 | pickcoder | yes.. you can actually do that on Debian |
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| 16:52.50 | kaolc | how? |
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| 16:52.55 | kaolc | the "change user" didn't work |
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| 16:54.08 | ZykoticK9 | kaolc, don't try to log into the GUI as root (won't work), use "su -" in a terminal |
| 16:54.32 | pickcoder | or don't use the GUI and log into a console |
| 16:54.51 | pickcoder | stop gdm/kdm from the GUI and then log out |
| 16:55.19 | Bushmills | or press ctrl and alt, keep them pressed, then press F1 |
| 16:55.27 | ZykoticK9 | pickcoder, why stop gdm/kdm? ctrl+alt+f1 would work wouldn't it? |
| 16:55.35 | cheater_ | ls -la |
| 16:55.40 | cheater_ | er, lol, wrong win! |
| 16:55.52 | Bushmills | then relases ctrl, alt and F1 :) |
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| 16:55.56 | Bushmills | release |
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| 16:57.11 | pickcoder | um.. I dunno if that will work |
| 16:57.13 | Bushmills | on the prompt, visible then, push the keys r, o (two times) and t, in exactly this sequence |
| 16:57.16 | pickcoder | leme try |
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| 16:58.40 | pickcoder | hmm.. that worked. I swear I've tried that before with KDE and it never worked. |
| 16:58.50 | pickcoder | is getting old methinks |
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| 16:59.05 | wols_ | pickcoder: ttys have nothing to do with kde |
| 16:59.08 | Bushmills | tried alt+f1, maybe? |
| 16:59.28 | pickcoder | I dunno.. |
| 16:59.48 | pickcoder | then again I don't live in GUIs on Linux |
| 16:59.56 | themill | pickcoder: some video with weirdo drivers can't cope with switching from X to a console, but that has always worked. |
| 17:00.02 | pickcoder | 99% of the consoles on the KVM here are text logins |
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| 17:01.05 | Bushmills | also finds it easier to log in using text. can't imagine how logging in would work when having to draw pictures. |
| 17:01.06 | wols_ | s/weirdo/broken/ |
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| 17:07.29 | kaolc | running as root: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied |
| 17:07.49 | Bushmills | kaolc: interfaces is not a program which you can run |
| 17:08.03 | kaolc | well how do I get a normal lan connection working when I plug in the ethernet cable then? |
| 17:08.13 | Bushmills | it is a data file which you can load into a program to do something with it |
| 17:08.19 | kaolc | ah |
| 17:08.59 | kaolc | So how do I get an internet connection? |
| 17:09.33 | Bushmills | you'd load that file into a program of this kind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_editor |
| 17:09.48 | ZykoticK9 | kaolc, assuming DHCP & eth0 is your ethernet you could use "dhclient eth0" |
| 17:11.02 | kaolc | I'll try that then.. Bye wireless |
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| 17:15.28 | JyZyXEL | where do you get the latest install image download? |
| 17:15.43 | JyZyXEL | nightly ones |
| 17:15.47 | wols_ | cdimage.debian.org |
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| 17:16.10 | Bushmills | excludes the grocery as source for debian install images |
| 17:16.14 | wols_ | nightlies/weeklies are for testing the installer, not for installing |
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| 17:17.27 | Cryp71c | Erm, I went to install (manually) a newer version of glib then realized I already had glib installed via aptitude..didn't think much of it but now when I start a gtk based program, I have no characters (everything is squares :P) How can I undo my manual installation of glib and whatnot so pkg-config points to the one that was installed by default? |
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| 17:17.59 | wols_ | where did you put your fake glib? |
| 17:19.14 | phorce1 | so, can a running system be imaged with dd for a bare metal restore if one is afraid to stop the drive? |
| 17:19.16 | Cryp71c | wols_, I configured it, make'd it, then sudo make install |
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| 17:19.43 | wols_ | Cryp71c: check your /usr/local then? |
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| 17:19.54 | wols_ | basically: delete the fake one, run ldconfig and it should be OK again |
| 17:20.24 | Cryp71c | wols_, do you know -off hand- how I can tell where the aptitude-installed one is at (So I know not to delete it) |
| 17:21.18 | Bushmills | phorce1, there'll be problems. for example, the dd image may contain lock files of running programs, those may refuse to start because they may think they're still running |
| 17:21.21 | wols_ | dpkg -L <glib package> shows you where it installs stuff. /usr/lib/ or such most likely.definitely not /usr/local. and if you find a glib.so you can check by dpkg -S <path/to/glib.so/you/want/to/delete> |
| 17:21.21 | dpkg | ii <glib package> shows you where it installs stuff. /usr/lib/ or such most likely.definitely not /usr/local. and if you find a glib.so you can check by dpkg -S <path/to/glib.so/you/want/to/delete> 3.4-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 17:21.41 | wols_ | if it shows up as from some package, you know it's the debian one |
| 17:22.00 | ompaul | phorce1: why do you not want to stop it? |
| 17:22.15 | Cryp71c | wols_, I found a glib. /usr/local/include/glib-2.0 |
| 17:22.34 | wols_ | Cryp71c: I doubt it. that looks like header files |
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| 17:23.51 | Cryp71c | I don't suppose - if I download and reconfigure the glib package I used, that there's a make remove ? :D |
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| 17:24.44 | valdyn | phorce1: depends, its dangerous, but probably works usually |
| 17:25.26 | valdyn | phorce1: you should ro mount all partitions on that drive to be safe, but that might break running services |
| 17:26.15 | phorce1 | Bushmills: lockfiles I can deal with |
| 17:26.40 | phorce1 | ompaul: failing bearing -- I can hear it rattling. It may not spin up again |
| 17:26.59 | valdyn | phorce1: just ro mount then |
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| 17:28.53 | phorce1 | I already did an rsync of '/' to another machine but am not prepared to do a base install and rebuild from there yet. |
| 17:29.31 | phorce1 | Had plans to replace the whole machine in a few months. |
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| 17:30.40 | ompaul | it is a time machine |
| 17:31.12 | kaolc2 | I'm changing to ubuntu :( |
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| 17:35.45 | phorce1 | This is a RH machine built by a previous owner that's running a couple of websites and services I need to stay alive. I'm not even sure it'll see a USB dock for the dd yet. |
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| 17:36.54 | wols_ | kaolc2: fyi you don't need a network connection for anything, for now. just install debian via netinst, THEN start getting your ethernet and wirelsss in order |
| 17:37.11 | ompaul | phorce1: you can do a dd across the wire to another box |
| 17:37.32 | kaolc2 | wols_ I can't use netinst, it doesn't even work when plugged into an ethernet cable |
| 17:37.50 | kaolc2 | so then I got the full CD1 and installed and got it booting but I can't get neither ethernet or wireless to work now |
| 17:38.05 | wols_ | kaolc2: I just told you that you do not need a network connection to use netinst to install debian. did you even read what I wrote |
| 17:38.08 | joe6 | i have a slow network connection with debian. I hardly get 20KB/s per network connection. Could something in the debian/linux stack be throttling the bandwidth? http://sprunge.us/KhQH |
| 17:38.14 | wols_ | kaolc2: no network access at all required. NONE. NADA |
| 17:38.14 | kaolc2 | netinst = net installation? |
| 17:39.10 | valdyn | joe6: why is auto-negotiation off? |
| 17:39.11 | wols_ | kaolc2: netinst is a fully complete basic debian. |
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| 17:39.34 | kaolc2 | Oh.. Well I didn |
| 17:39.38 | wols_ | joe6: and what chip is it? |
| 17:39.41 | joe6 | valdyn, i was getting very slow speeds, hence turned it off. |
| 17:39.42 | kaolc2 | didn't know that.. But I don't see how that would help |
| 17:39.55 | valdyn | joe6: that didnt help, did it? |
| 17:39.58 | wols_ | kaolc2: what ethernet card is it? |
| 17:40.02 | phorce1 | ompaul: moved to .ot since this is general linux and not debian specific |
| 17:40.10 | kaolc2 | the problem is that I do have a working booted installation and I still don't know where to go from here |
| 17:40.25 | kaolc2 | what was the command again? |
| 17:40.25 | valdyn | joe6: try half duplex anyway |
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| 17:40.49 | wols_ | kaolc2: lspci -nn and lsusb |
| 17:40.49 | kaolc2 | wlusb or something |
| 17:40.53 | kaolc2 | oh |
| 17:40.54 | kaolc2 | ls |
| 17:41.11 | wols_ | ethernet is easier, so start with lspci -nn |
| 17:41.11 | kaolc2 | Linksys WUSB54GC v1 |
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| 17:41.35 | kaolc2 | I can't use the ethernet plug, others want to get on the WLAN too |
| 17:41.45 | joe6 | valdyn: http://sprunge.us/aJYP |
| 17:41.46 | kaolc2 | and I had to pull it to get the plug |
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| 17:41.51 | niklaswe | does someone have any good guide howto setup grub to boot from pxe.? |
| 17:42.18 | wols_ | kaolc2: you have an internal wlan as well |
| 17:42.57 | kaolc2 | wols_ Yes, but I'm not sure how to detect it.. It might be "Gemtek WUBR177G"? |
| 17:43.06 | joe6 | valdyn: ok, thanks. trying half duplex. |
| 17:43.21 | joe6 | wols_: http://sprunge.us/aJYP |
| 17:43.21 | kaolc2 | looks like it |
| 17:43.30 | wols_ | kaolc2: sounds like it. at the back there is a xxxx:xxxx number. that's the important thing |
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| 17:44.22 | kaolc2 | at the back? |
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| 17:44.27 | kaolc2 | it's an internal card |
| 17:44.44 | wols_ | the lsusb output. at the back |
| 17:44.53 | kaolc2 | oh |
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| 17:45.18 | kaolc2 | BUS 001 DEVICE 004: ID 15a9:0004 |
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| 17:46.56 | Cryp71c | So is there some easy way to see where "make install" installs to? I tried -n but its mostly indecipherable bash code. I manuall installed glib and that manual installation is now the "default" and is messing up essentially ever application which uses it. |
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| 17:47.15 | wols_ | kaolc2: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-ralink/download download this .deb file and install it with dpkg -i |
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| 17:47.34 | wols_ | kaolc2: also install wpasupplicant you can get it from packages.debian.org too |
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| 17:47.49 | wols_ | Cryp71c: no there is not. which is one reason why make install sucks so much |
| 17:48.06 | wols_ | Cryp71c: why can't you find a single .so file? |
| 17:48.11 | kaolc2 | wols_: So I put all that on a USB drive and move it over, mount, then run? |
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| 17:48.26 | mapd | hi |
| 17:48.26 | wols_ | not run, install, but basically yes |
| 17:48.37 | Cryp71c | wols_, I've tried "find"ing everything I can think of relating to glib -_- |
| 17:48.43 | mapd | ive tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and it doesnt change my keyboard to its normal state :| |
| 17:49.07 | wols_ | Cryp71c: find anything named "glib", grep the output for ".so" and you have found it. done |
| 17:50.09 | wols_ | Cryp71c: also: debsums libglib2.0-0 |
| 17:50.21 | wols_ | !tell mapd about keymap |
| 17:50.45 | mapd | wols_ but keyboard-configure changes from qwerty to qwertz |
| 17:50.46 | mapd | no? |
| 17:51.00 | wols_ | it changes to whatever you tell it to? |
| 17:51.03 | mapd | ive tried to use mine and changed it many times since yesterday with that command andt doesnt work |
| 17:51.03 | mapd | :| |
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| 17:51.32 | wols_ | mapd: what keyboard are you choosing on the first screen? |
| 17:51.38 | Cryp71c | wols_, alright, I've found all the glib .so's. |
| 17:51.48 | mapd | generic 105 keys |
| 17:51.56 | mapd | wols_ |
| 17:51.59 | wols_ | mapd: intl? |
| 17:52.03 | mapd | yes |
| 17:52.12 | wols_ | mapd: then? |
| 17:52.31 | mapd | then i choose Portugal native |
| 17:53.27 | wols_ | I'm no portuguese, maybe try the standard "Portugal" too once? |
| 17:53.45 | mapd | ive chosen that |
| 17:53.51 | mapd | and i need to logout or anything? |
| 17:54.03 | mapd | nothing happens and if i do restart all config gone? |
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| 17:55.35 | wols_ | mapd: check /etc/default/keyboard |
| 17:55.36 | antiwire | how can I stop network manager from screwing up what I need to manually set with ifconfig? |
| 17:55.40 | Cryp71c | wols_, I removed the .so for glib that was in /usr/local/lib and ran "ldconfig" but now gtk programs don't launch at all. Perhaps I need to dkpg reconfigure? |
| 17:55.51 | wols_ | antiwire: remove network manager? |
| 17:56.00 | valdyn | antiwire: man interfaces and read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 17:56.00 | antiwire | for a wired connection. I want NM to handle my wireless for now but it won't let me configure my eth0 wired manually |
| 17:56.03 | wols_ | Cryp71c: and the error is? |
| 17:56.23 | antiwire | wols_: I want to let NM handle the wireless still. |
| 17:56.24 | Cryp71c | wols_, well..for terminator for example, "You need to install the python bindings for gobject, gtk and pango to run Terminator." |
| 17:56.46 | Cryp71c | (but all I removed were the libglib2.0-0.so (and other, similarly named files) from /usr/local/lib |
| 17:56.47 | wols_ | Cryp71c: use a standard gnome program, like gedit or such |
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| 17:57.06 | mapd | wols_ |
| 17:57.12 | wols_ | ldconfig should have fixed it :( other libglib's still exist? |
| 17:57.15 | mapd | i cant make it work with this keybroad :| |
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| 17:57.19 | Cryp71c | wols_, "gedit: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_date_time_unref" |
| 17:57.34 | valdyn | Cryp71c: that file needs to go away too |
| 17:57.45 | wols_ | Cryp71c: you installed a lot more than glib. NOTHING is in /usr/local in a default debian install |
| 17:57.52 | valdyn | Cryp71c: i would suggest you move /usr/local/ away completely for now |
| 17:58.15 | kaolc2 | wols_ I got the firmware on a usb in the machine now. .So far so good |
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| 17:58.52 | wols_ | Cryp71c: dpkg -L libglib2.0-0|grep so |
| 17:59.04 | wols_ | Cryp71c: every .so file in there in /usr/local/lib/ needs to go |
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| 18:00.31 | kaolc2 | looks like the firmware installed just fine, but "Errors were encountered while processing: wpasupplicant" |
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| 18:01.10 | beastmode | whats the easiest way to install an older versoin of gcc not in the repository |
| 18:01.43 | wols_ | kaolc2: so what dependencies does it depend on? |
| 18:02.26 | kaolc2 | libnl1, libpcsclite1 |
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| 18:03.05 | wols_ | kaolc2: get them from packages.debian.org too. sucks to do it manually, but no other way really :( |
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| 18:03.25 | wols_ | alternatively, you could get CD1 where all is in that ISO, but that's 700MB |
| 18:03.27 | kaolc2 | hmm okay.. I'll survive. Will wpasupplicant work if my net is unencoded? |
| 18:03.38 | kaolc2 | wols_, I have cd1.. It's what I installed |
| 18:03.42 | mapd | fixe !! i found the issue wols_ |
| 18:03.49 | wols_ | oops. you only need it if it'S WPA. didn't know you had no encryption |
| 18:05.02 | kaolc2 | so I have CD1 but didn't tick the "Laptop" part, could that be it? |
| 18:05.10 | kaolc2 | didn't tick very many things actually |
| 18:06.18 | Cryp71c | Woohoo! |
| 18:06.18 | wols_ | not ticking anything is OK. if you want you can always run "tasksel" later |
| 18:06.28 | Cryp71c | wols_, valdyn, thanks. No more crazy make-installing for me :D |
| 18:06.31 | Cryp71c | (for now) |
| 18:06.41 | wols_ | !tell Cryp71c about checkinstall |
| 18:06.44 | wols_ | Cryp71c: for the future |
| 18:06.48 | kaolc2 | wols_ shouldn't I have had all these things already if I installed with Cd1? |
| 18:07.16 | wols_ | no. only if you installed them. debian lets you install what you need or skip what you don't want |
| 18:07.26 | wols_ | the firmware however is not on CD1 since it's non-free software |
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| 18:07.52 | kaolc2 | So what do I do now? I installed the firmware you linked. |
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| 18:09.10 | wols_ | you need to reboot it for it to get loaded. then you can configure your wifi connection. but I don't really know how to do it since I never used a open network (do they stille xist?) /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools should have documentation tho |
| 18:09.32 | Cryp71c | wols_, that seems really useful, thanks. |
| 18:09.35 | kaolc2 | I just rebooted |
| 18:09.42 | joe6 | wols_: valdyn: thanks, turning on the autoneg put my speed at close to 600KB/s from 20KB/s. |
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| 18:10.11 | kaolc2 | wols_: No such file or dir |
| 18:10.21 | kaolc2 | I don't think I have wireless-tools installed |
| 18:10.37 | wols_ | you will need it |
| 18:10.43 | wols_ | it's on cd1 too |
| 18:10.45 | kaolc2 | so.. Another package, another usbswap? |
| 18:11.02 | wols_ | have you really installed cd1 or have you used netinst? |
| 18:11.06 | kaolc2 | I used CD1 |
| 18:11.13 | kaolc2 | it's 700mb so that should determine it |
| 18:11.14 | wols_ | then it's on there somewhere |
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| 18:11.21 | wols_ | yes, that is CD1 |
| 18:11.23 | kaolc2 | not according to my system |
| 18:11.26 | kaolc2 | what do I run? |
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| 18:12.01 | Cryp71c | wols_, is there a package for chkinstall, or is building it from source the only go? |
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| 18:12.55 | wols_ | Cryp71c: why don't you look yourself? |
| 18:13.10 | wols_ | kaolc2: grep cdrom /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:13.48 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:14.13 | kaolc2 | wols_: deb cdrom: Debian GNU/LINUX 6.0.1a _Squeeze_ - Official i386 CD Binary 1 20110322-15:11 squeeze main |
| 18:15.18 | wols_ | kaolc2: then it should be fine. apt-get should work as intended and ask for that "cdrom" if it's not in the drive |
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| 18:15.57 | kaolc2 | but I used unetbooting to install, not a CD wols_ |
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| 18:16.48 | wols_ | ah. another reason why abrotman needs to kill off all copies of that shit |
| 18:16.50 | antiwire | is there some way to stop Debian from removing the IP address from an interface just because the interface loses link? |
| 18:17.04 | wols_ | kaolc2: still, the .deb of wireless tools is on that cd/drive |
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| 18:17.23 | wols_ | kaolc2: mount it and find <mountpoint> -name wireless* |
| 18:17.32 | antiwire | I should be able to see the static IP i have assigned to the interface with ifconfig -a even if the interface has no link. |
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| 18:18.58 | dp | does the order of interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces determine which device is used for default routes? |
| 18:19.37 | wols_ | dp: no. a setting in the file does |
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| 18:19.50 | wols_ | maybe if you have several |
| 18:19.58 | dp | wols_: what setting? |
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| 18:21.06 | wols_ | dp: man interfaces /gateway |
| 18:21.32 | kaolc2 | wols_ I think I got wireless-tools installed now |
| 18:21.48 | dp | wols_: by that token, just having a gateway in there sets the default gateway |
| 18:22.16 | wols_ | kaolc2: then you also have /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ |
| 18:22.46 | Guest73491 | is there an archive of debian testing netinst images older than a week? |
| 18:22.49 | kaolc2 | wols_ yes, I do now |
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| 18:23.54 | kaolc2 | ifconfig only shows lo, by the way |
| 18:24.03 | antiwire | this is absurd if this is how it actually is supposed to work. I have an interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces as static and if I run ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0 the interface comes up fine. If I unplug the cable and replug the cable, the interface never gets the static IP back. |
| 18:24.15 | wols_ | kaolc2: iwconfig |
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| 18:24.27 | kaolc2 | yay, iwconfig shows both wlan0 and wlan1 |
| 18:24.40 | kaolc2 | that's a good sign, right? |
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| 18:25.23 | ompaul | antiwire: not seen that before, you setting the ip on the box as static or just giving out an infinite lease on dhcp? |
| 18:25.43 | antiwire | ompaul: setting static in intefaces |
| 18:26.08 | antiwire | let me reboot the system, just in case it's something stupid. brb |
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| 18:26.10 | Guest73491 | antiwire: ifplug? |
| 18:26.15 | Guest73491 | antiwire: ifplugd |
| 18:26.25 | antiwire | Guest73491: I need that? what are you getting at? |
| 18:26.31 | antiwire | you just typed "ifplug" what should I do? |
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| 18:26.40 | Guest73491 | antiwire: have a look at ifplugd |
| 18:26.42 | antiwire | ok |
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| 18:29.26 | ompaul | antiwire: does your dhcp server hand out addresses - if the answer is yes, does that range include your server? |
| 18:29.54 | antiwire | ompaul: this on an isolated setup. two laptops connected to a standalone switch. dhcp is not involved at all |
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| 18:30.13 | antiwire | if I need ifplugd, I understand what was happening |
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| 18:30.16 | stew | antiwire: you would need to install something like ifplugd to react to a cable being plugged in |
| 18:30.21 | antiwire | yeah |
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| 18:30.58 | kaolc2 | wols_ where should I go from here? |
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| 18:33.29 | arnoldB | I've updated my Linux Mint Debian Edition-desktop-system yesterday via apt-get. Now my network connection is lost. I've installed the original driver (r8111), but I still have no connection. |
| 18:33.32 | arnoldB | Any ideas? |
| 18:33.43 | wols_ | !mint |
| 18:33.43 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 18:33.44 | valdyn | arnoldB: wrong channel |
| 18:33.52 | wols_ | kaolc2: you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:34.18 | arnoldB | There are no IRC channels for linux-mint. |
| 18:34.22 | ompaul | antiwire: paste your interfaces file |
| 18:34.29 | ompaul | arnoldB: hardly debian's fault ;-) |
| 18:34.36 | kaolc2 | wols_ what should I write? |
| 18:34.40 | stew | antiwire: "Official support channel is #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org" |
| 18:34.42 | stew | err |
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| 18:34.45 | stew | arnoldB: ^^ |
| 18:35.07 | wols_ | kaolc2: I dunno. never use totally open wireless networks. /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ knows. your SSID probably |
| 18:35.10 | stew | arnoldB: there is also ##linuxmint on this netowrk (which is where the above came from) |
| 18:35.12 | arnoldB | hmm ok. I'll look at this |
| 18:35.32 | arnoldB | ##linuxmint is empty as hell :-P |
| 18:35.36 | wols_ | kaolc2: yes, the README.Debian there has examples |
| 18:35.40 | bzed | arnoldB: see http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=152 :) |
| 18:35.47 | ompaul | arnoldB: hardly debian's fault ;-) |
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| 18:36.09 | kaolc2 | thanks, will try then. |
| 18:36.18 | ompaul | antiwire: did you want to paste that file? |
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| 18:36.38 | arnoldB | ompaul: LMDE is using the debian testing repo. I thought there's a context |
| 18:37.21 | ompaul | arnoldB: they change stuff - we don't know what |
| 18:37.21 | antiwire | ompaul: Yes, one moment |
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| 18:37.27 | jhutchins | arnoldB: Just because they use Debian packages doesn't mean we know how to support them. |
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| 18:37.56 | jhutchins | arnoldB: On the other hand, if you'd like to install Debian, we'd be glad to help you with that. |
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| 18:38.48 | arnoldB | jhutchins: Installing Debian is no problem. Using Linux at a desktop is just new for me :) |
| 18:39.23 | jhutchins | arnoldB: You've already found out that Debian has better support, give the software a try. |
| 18:39.33 | arnoldB | lol |
| 18:39.55 | ompaul | arnoldB: go grab debian and get it on there don't make any choices come back and ask questions ;-) don't assume just get the best advice |
| 18:40.12 | iateadonut | i'm getting a 500 error but nothing is showing up in /var/log/apache2/error.log - although when i restart the service, that does show up. |
| 18:40.30 | jhutchins | arnoldB: Networking is one of the aspects that we're pretty sure Mint messes with. |
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| 18:41.18 | antiwire | ompaul: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/loHRk514.html |
| 18:41.45 | antiwire | ompaul: I have to manually rerun ifdown/ifup if I unplug the cable or the interface never gets the IP back. |
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| 18:42.22 | antiwire | it should just keep the IP, a link down should not prevent the interface from coming backup with a static IP when the link resumes. |
| 18:43.09 | arnoldB | In my eyes, debian is more a server distribution. I just like the desktop (gnome xyz wahtever) of linux mint and I don't know if I can use the linux mint desktop at debian. I'm still happy that I'm not using ubuntu any more :D |
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| 18:43.36 | Roasted | Hate to ask this but where on earth can I download Debian Experimental? I always had a hard time navigating the debian site... |
| 18:43.47 | ompaul | antiwire line 1: auto eth1 line 2: iface eth1 inet static |
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| 18:43.57 | cahoot | Roasted, nowhere |
| 18:44.18 | ompaul | antiwire: or eth0 :) |
| 18:44.28 | stew | Roasted: experimental is not a full release of debian. Its just a small collection of random, possibly horribly broken, possibly outdated packages uploaded by developers in order to test |
| 18:44.28 | ompaul | Roasted: you can't |
| 18:44.35 | antiwire | ompaul: can you clarify what you mean please? |
| 18:44.35 | Roasted | oh |
| 18:44.36 | jhutchins | Roasted: Debian experimental isn't a thing, it's a repository for some of the software. |
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| 18:44.49 | arnoldB | LMDE is based on debian (another "based" like ubuntu *g*). |
| 18:44.50 | Roasted | can I add the repo to any variant of debian or do I have to use unstable, etc? |
| 18:44.58 | ompaul | antiwire: I am saying use those lines in your interfaces line in the second part |
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| 18:45.07 | stew | Roasted: /msg dpkg experimental ; /msg dpkg iyhtays |
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| 18:45.17 | ompaul | antiwire: cp your current out of the way and see how that helps |
| 18:45.25 | antiwire | ompaul: ok, and I need ifplugd right? |
| 18:45.33 | ompaul | (it should) - I use it and I don't use ifplugd |
| 18:45.36 | antiwire | ok |
| 18:45.40 | antiwire | I won't want ot use it either |
| 18:46.08 | arnoldB | iateadonut: Isn't it a #apache / #httpd question? |
| 18:46.15 | ompaul | antiwire: note I have eth1 not 0 in my settings which I pasted :) |
| 18:46.57 | iateadonut | yes, i guess o. |
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| 18:47.28 | antiwire | ompaul: no change. as soon as I unplug the cable, the IP address drops out of ifconfig eth0 and replugging does nto bring it back. |
| 18:47.36 | ompaul | Roasted: if I may say so - as you had to ask you should actually just use testing for a while and then when you are used to the changes go to SID and not jump into the deep end like that |
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| 18:47.57 | jhutchins | antiwire: Which release are you running? |
| 18:47.59 | ompaul | antiwire: restart networking after the change |
| 18:48.09 | antiwire | jhutchins: wheezy |
| 18:48.21 | jhutchins | antiwire: Does it work in squeeze? |
| 18:48.22 | antiwire | I moved from Slackware current to wheezy ;D |
| 18:48.45 | antiwire | ompaul: what is the best way to do that? |
| 18:48.57 | Roasted | ompaul, my goal is to play with gnome shell. Fedora 15 has it, and it's oddly stable, but I really prefer .deb. Mint/Ubuntu have the PPA but, eh |
| 18:49.08 | kaolc2 | wols_ I'm still not sure exactly what to write. I set it up with my essid and stuff, but how do I make sure these new settings are in effect and how do I connect? |
| 18:49.09 | jhutchins | antiwire: Wheezy is debian testing. Not intended as a working release yet. |
| 18:49.54 | ompaul | Roasted: there is a phrase "if you have to ask" I suggest your performance will be less than stellar, you should at least wait for it to hit SID or Testing tbh |
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| 18:50.26 | ompaul | Roasted: using stuff from experimental is only for the brave or those who are aware what they are doing at least in my estimation |
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| 18:50.45 | wols_ | kaolc2: ifup <wlanX> and ifdown <wlanX> powers it down |
| 18:50.58 | jhutchins | ompaul: ... and for people who know how to put it back if it breaks something. |
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| 18:51.04 | ompaul | antiwire: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:51.08 | wols_ | kaolc2: on bootup, when the stanza is set to "auto" it is used automatically |
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| 18:51.22 | wols_ | kaolc2: or what ompaul just said to antiwire |
| 18:51.35 | kaolc2 | wols_ run-parts: failed to stat component /etc/network/if-up.d/wpasupplicant: No such file or dir |
| 18:51.39 | ompaul | jhutchins: yes ... Roasted see what jhutchins said there - most correct :) |
| 18:51.41 | jhutchins | antiwire: You might try #debian-next on oftc.net - there have been rumors about udev bugs in wheezy. |
| 18:52.10 | Roasted | jhutchins, ompaul, what's the harm in using it on a spare machine? It's not like I'm putting this on a core server... |
| 18:52.10 | wols_ | kaolc2: what did you write in your interfaces? |
| 18:52.16 | ompaul | thought that was the channel he was in doh |
| 18:52.20 | Roasted | ompaul, any idea how long till it hits SID? Is there some sort of calendar they have mapped out? |
| 18:52.40 | ompaul | Roasted: no, it uses the best version of anything - when it is ready and bugs are resolved |
| 18:52.42 | wols_ | !tell Roasted about wir |
| 18:52.51 | kaolc2 | it's rather long and I can't pastebin it for obvious reasons |
| 18:53.05 | jhutchins | Roasted: There's no real harm, especially if you know how to fix it if an experimental package breaks something, but experimental isn't intended for normal use, it's a path for a package to become part of testing. |
| 18:53.07 | kaolc2 | basically just copied the example and changed the values |
| 18:53.08 | ompaul | Roasted: you wouldn't like it to kill all the SID boxes now would you ;-) |
| 18:53.49 | jhutchins | Roasted: Besides which there's seldom any NEED for experimental packages. |
| 18:53.53 | Roasted | ha, perhaps I'll stick to F15 or my Mint11/gnome3 ppa install... |
| 18:53.56 | ompaul | rfay: just do /away my-reason rather then nick chance you don't have to tell a thousand people you are afk ;-) |
| 18:54.10 | Roasted | what I don't understand is why Mint 11 gave me no issues on the SAME PPA I used in Ubuntu 11... |
| 18:54.13 | Roasted | but, whatever. |
| 18:54.25 | ompaul | Roasted: how do you spell lucky |
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| 18:54.40 | rfay | ompaul, OK thanks. |
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| 18:54.47 | Roasted | ompaul, how do you spell 3 ground-up installs on both ubuntu and mint with duplication of results in every scenario. |
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| 18:54.58 | Roasted | ompaul, there's clearly something that works better with the gnome 3 ppa in mint 11 versus ubuntu 11. |
| 18:55.27 | ompaul | Roasted: both of which have nothing to do with here (and gladly I use KDE ;-)) |
| 18:55.35 | Roasted | ompaul, to each their own. |
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| 18:55.53 | Roasted | perhaps F15 is deserving of another spin... thanks guys |
| 18:56.12 | KaffeeJunky1231 | howdy, I've a small problem with the linux-boot-prober script |
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| 18:56.29 | KaffeeJunky1231 | it does not correctly detect the root partition for my arch installation |
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| 18:57.02 | KaffeeJunky1231 | it'll just take the root partition of my debian |
| 18:57.41 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:57.47 | KaffeeJunky1231 | "/dev/sdb3:/dev/sdb1:Arch Linux [/boot/vmlinuz26]:/boot/vmlinuz26:/boot/kernel26.img:root=/dev/sda3 ro" this is the output of sudo linux-boot-prober /dev/sdb3, where sdb3 is the root drive of arch linux and sdb1 is the boot partition |
| 18:58.31 | antiwire | this has got to be a bug |
| 18:58.37 | antiwire | ifplugd isn't helping either |
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| 18:58.58 | KaffeeJunky1231 | any suggestions? |
| 18:59.20 | KaffeeJunky1231 | I can also provide you my fstab, if you need it |
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| 19:00.08 | arnoldB | How to list all installed network driver/adapter? |
| 19:00.26 | cheater_ | ifconfig -a |
| 19:00.39 | dondelelcaro | arnoldB: ip link; or similar |
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| 19:01.00 | kaolc2 | now I keep getting "ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file /etc/network/interfaces" |
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| 19:01.08 | alfadir | hi is there a way to turn off a service permanently at boot ? "update-rc.d -f apache2 remove" removes apache2 from boot but if I some time upgrade the package it gets reinstated.. |
| 19:01.14 | Ivan_The_Terribl | Hey guys, I've ssh session going down from time to time with this message: Write failed: Broken pipe. What should I do? |
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| 19:01.40 | lrojas | how can i list all the users belonging to a group? |
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| 19:02.35 | antiwire | ompaul: thanks for your time though. I'll just use NM for now |
| 19:02.46 | ujjain | Can somebody recommend me software for an antispam server? |
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| 19:03.19 | DammitJim | is there a way I can add a user that contains a dot? |
| 19:03.38 | ompaul | wonders which mail server is the base |
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| 19:04.44 | stew | lrojas: i don't believe there is a way other than going through the group and passwd databases |
| 19:05.10 | KaffeeJunky1231 | lrojas: you can display all groups for a user with the group command |
| 19:05.27 | stew | DammitJim: "adduser --force-badname foo.bar"? |
| 19:05.34 | stew | DammitJim: who knows what doing that might break though |
| 19:05.39 | KaffeeJunky1231 | lrojas: you could write a small script to filter out users that are member of a certain group |
| 19:05.41 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 19:05.45 | poisonbit | alfadir, search for "common system administration" in man update-rc.d |
| 19:05.52 | lrojas | i seem to remenber there was a program that you had to install to do the same as the groups commands but provided groups givena user |
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| 19:09.07 | me | you guys were teaching me |
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| 19:13.17 | burd | Could someone please explain to me what i am doing wrong in mounting a NTFS partition using ntfs-3g.. I can mount it just fine but if I do a umount /directory The damn thing gets caught in limbo and i can't remount it.. What sucks is Webmin unmounts the things fine, so it is me apparently |
| 19:13.22 | teratorn | could anyone tell me why msttcorefonts isn't available in my APT? Using squeeze and an official mirror, and I see http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/msttcorefonts |
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| 19:15.26 | arnoldB | hehe I'm online again. Just cleared /etc/network/interfaces, reboot, "activate eth0 in gui" and all is done. Linux can be so simple :) |
| 19:16.09 | jhutchins | !webmin |
| 19:16.09 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 19:16.20 | arnoldB | webmin is ugly :-P |
| 19:16.27 | alfadir | poisonbit: ok, hmm so I need to do "update-rc.d apache2 stop 80 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 ." ..hmm well will do that.. now have the problem that the remote server hangs, and i need to sort it out in between ;) |
| 19:16.35 | jhutchins | webmin does things badly and can be extremely harmful to a system. |
| 19:18.36 | alfadir | poisonbit: hangs at boot requesting ssl cert keys :) but hope a friend can help, thanks for the hint. the remove advice i got from some webpages.. should have looked in man |
| 19:19.14 | burd | webmin may be ugly but apparently debian's umount program is uglier because webmin apparently can unmount ntfs-3g and debians umount cannot |
| 19:19.17 | poisonbit | alfa_y_omega, Runlevels S, 0, 1, and 6 are reserved, maybe you'r ok using just 2 3 4 5 |
| 19:19.36 | burd | This is not about a trollfest about webmin this about umount in debian being broken\ |
| 19:19.48 | stew | and webmin implemented their own umount?!? |
| 19:19.56 | daemonkeeper | I truly doubt that |
| 19:20.00 | alfadir | poisonbit: want to stop apache2 on all boot, as i need to put in ssl keys when booting apache2 manually (yess want passphrased keys) |
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| 19:20.21 | burd | stew I have no clue.. all i know is debian does not umount ntfs-3g properly when told to and webmin does.. thuis why i am asking.. am i missing something |
| 19:20.25 | alfadir | poisonbit: on reboot i just login and start the service manually |
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| 19:20.31 | niteye | hello computer pros |
| 19:20.45 | stew | burd: wait, is webmin running on something that isn't debian? |
| 19:20.53 | burd | stew... nope |
| 19:20.57 | niteye | i have a webcam that works in aMSN, but in cheese webcam booth its a green garbled screen, anyone has any ideas how i could go on fixing it? |
| 19:20.59 | stew | uh |
| 19:21.08 | poisonbit | alfa_y_omega, not the most advanced high availability system I0ve seen, but if you're ok doing that way... :) |
| 19:21.18 | poisonbit | alfadir, ^^^ sorry |
| 19:21.26 | burd | stew how does one screw up >> umount /dir |
| 19:21.38 | dondelelcaro | burd: so umount never returns? or what? |
| 19:21.53 | alfadir | poisonbit: np.. well just a private thing, but sure any advice would be interesting.. |
| 19:22.03 | burd | it says it unmounts it and it is gone from mtab.. but once you do this.. you can never remount the device/partition again |
| 19:22.15 | nkuttler | burd: why not? |
| 19:22.18 | Black_Prince | niteye, I have same issue, never fixed it and none knew about it :/ |
| 19:22.27 | niteye | pity |
| 19:22.32 | burd | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /USBBACKUPS |
| 19:22.32 | burd | ntfs-3g: Failed to access volume '/dev/sdb1': No such file or directory |
| 19:22.32 | burd | Please type '/sbin/mount.ntfs-3g --help' for more information. |
| 19:22.33 | alfadir | poisonbit: i have a properly setup ssl server with passphrased keys, and when it goes down.. well the passphrases are needed then.. |
| 19:22.41 | alfadir | so you have to do some things manual |
| 19:22.53 | alfadir | alternative is to strip the keys.. but well |
| 19:23.15 | nkuttler | burd: and that's the same device you mounted the first time? |
| 19:23.22 | burd | yep |
| 19:24.16 | nkuttler | burd: well, considering you're already running webmin... you should probably remove all non-debian stuff including kernerls etc |
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| 19:24.38 | dondelelcaro | burd: so /dev/sdb1 doesn't exist? what is /dev/sdb1? |
| 19:24.38 | nkuttler | burd: and check your logs what happens when you umount |
| 19:24.45 | alfadir | poisonbit: now the problem was.. server went down after upgrade.. and now it does not come up as the keys have to be entered locally (1200 km away), have a friend that will help.. Ctrl-c does not cancel passphrase dialog (would be ok if apache did no start and the server booted :)) |
| 19:24.58 | burd | there is absolutely nothing non-debian on this machien besides webmin.. and this has happend on every debian install I have done on several machines, not just this one |
| 19:25.00 | dondelelcaro | burd: that usually indicates that for whatever reason, the device that was /dev/sdb1 is no longer available |
| 19:25.18 | burd | guys test it out |
| 19:25.29 | dondelelcaro | burd: so presumably if it's a removable device, it's been removed (or been recognized as being removed by udev) |
| 19:25.35 | burd | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/XXX /mountpoint |
| 19:25.37 | nkuttler | burd: can you reproduce this on different hardware? |
| 19:25.40 | burd | umount /mountpoitn |
| 19:25.40 | dondelelcaro | burd: test what out? ntfs-3g works perfectly fine here |
| 19:26.07 | dondelelcaro | mounting a device won't cause the device that you're mounting to disappear. |
| 19:27.35 | burd | dondelelcaro, been using debian for 10 years.. far from my first rodeo.. I know what it should and shouldn't do.. and it shouldn't be doing this on every install |
| 19:27.54 | dondelelcaro | burd: yes, which is why it doesn't... |
| 19:28.02 | dondelelcaro | at least, it certainly doesn't do so here |
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| 19:28.35 | LordDVG | hi all |
| 19:28.39 | burd | WTF is it going to take for you to believe me then... do I need video on youtiube to show you.. goddamn man this community is so damn condescending all the time |
| 19:28.54 | nkuttler | burd: can you reproduce this on different hardware? |
| 19:28.59 | dondelelcaro | burd: no, you just need to answer our questions. |
| 19:29.03 | burd | I can reporduce this on ANY hardware |
| 19:29.07 | LordDVG | Is there any channel for DebConf 2011? |
| 19:29.10 | burd | no just other ANY |
| 19:29.14 | dondelelcaro | burd: 1) what is /dev/sdb1? 2) what shows up in dmesg when you do this? |
| 19:29.25 | stew | LordDVG: #debconf on irc.debian.org |
| 19:29.35 | simonlnu | bets he can't on his stuff |
| 19:29.44 | burd | sdb1 is a usb drive |
| 19:30.18 | burd | i see no dmesg errors, information other than buffer error from when i was backing up |
| 19:30.19 | dondelelcaro | burd: right, and so what do you see in dmesg after you umount it? |
| 19:30.34 | dondelelcaro | burd: and are there any /dev/sd? devices? |
| 19:30.37 | burd | absiolutely nothing |
| 19:30.39 | jhutchins | burd: Just out of curiosity, does this happen if you remove webmin (or don't install it in the first place)? |
| 19:30.40 | stew | burd: i'm sorry you think peopler are being condescending. it seems like you are seeing something odd that other people aren't seeing and we are trying to help you get to the bottom of whatever is happening on your machine(s). |
| 19:30.41 | LordDVG | tnx stew |
| 19:30.59 | burd | this happens on EVERY install of debian i have used in the last 6 months people |
| 19:31.03 | nkuttler | mmmh, buffer errors.. |
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| 19:32.09 | dondelelcaro | burd: sudo lvcreate -n ntfs3g -L 3G vg2; sudo mkfs.ntfs /dev/vg2/ntfs3g; sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/vg2/ntfs3g /mnt/temp; sudo umount /dev/vg2/ntfs3g; sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/vg2/ntfs3g /mnt/temp; sudo umount /dev/vg2/ntfs3g; |
| 19:32.13 | dondelelcaro | burd: that works perfectly fine for me. |
| 19:32.33 | burd | dondelelcaro you didn't use the same methods I did man pay attention |
| 19:32.41 | dondelelcaro | burd: uh... so? |
| 19:32.52 | burd | umount /mountdir |
| 19:32.58 | burd | not umount /device |
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| 19:33.55 | simonlnu | why would that even matter? |
| 19:34.02 | burd | no clue and it shouldn't |
| 19:34.11 | nkuttler | burd: so.. why don't you try and change your method? |
| 19:34.22 | simonlnu | (it wouldn't, btw) |
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| 19:35.08 | dondelelcaro | burd: http://paste.debian.net/120481 |
| 19:35.15 | dondelelcaro | burd: as you can see, it doesn't matter. |
| 19:35.36 | burd | first is this a usb drive? |
| 19:35.39 | dondelelcaro | burd: again, your problem is that for some reason, the usb device is going away (and probably moving device number) after it has been umounted. |
| 19:35.51 | dondelelcaro | burd: so? |
| 19:36.19 | dondelelcaro | burd: if the usb device doesn't get an IOCTL to reload the partition table or otherwise get unplugged, its device isn't going to change |
| 19:36.33 | simonlnu | yes. that would cause it. that's why i try to reference to usb id or mountpoint and not a device |
| 19:36.41 | simonlnu | s,to,the, |
| 19:36.42 | burd | dondelelcaro looking for differences from your situation to mine.. you guys just tried blaming webmin on it and now when i question your methods you balk at it? |
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| 19:37.08 | nkuttler | sighs |
| 19:37.14 | dondelelcaro | if you're not interested in helping us help you, there's little we can do. HAND. |
| 19:38.04 | themill | burd: if you see a buffer error and then the removable device disappears, you should look at your hardware. |
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| 19:38.39 | nkuttler | even if it doesn't disappear |
| 19:39.01 | themill | well quite, but disappearing devices normally means that that the kernel has given up on them |
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| 19:39.42 | mapd | how to make debian map altgr? |
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| 19:41.23 | valdyn | !wayttd mapd |
| 19:41.23 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mapd? |
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| 19:41.46 | mapd | i cant type [ and ] |
| 19:41.54 | Ankman | hi |
| 19:42.07 | mapd | basicly every time i try to type altgr+2 whatever |
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| 19:42.42 | valdyn | mapd: in X? |
| 19:42.42 | Ankman | anyone recently installed cd 1 of debian stable from usb? here it stals for minutes when the partitioner is loaded at 50% |
| 19:42.49 | mapd | valdyn console |
| 19:42.58 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 19:42.58 | dpkg | Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 19:43.10 | cga | hi, how do i chekc/change logrotating time on lenny ? |
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| 19:43.23 | stew | cga: for which logs? |
| 19:43.35 | mapd | valdyn ive tried but nothing works |
| 19:43.36 | mapd | :\ |
| 19:43.56 | cga | hi stew, all of them. i want to have logrotate run at 5am instead of 3am |
| 19:44.07 | cga | can't find an option |
| 19:44.18 | valdyn | cga: where is the cronjob? |
| 19:44.39 | cga | you mean /etc/cron.daily/logrotate ? |
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| 19:44.45 | valdyn | cga: yea |
| 19:44.52 | stew | cga: it runs via /etc/cron.daily/logrotate by default. you can change when cron.daily runs in /etc/crontab, or move it to cron.d and give it a different time |
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| 19:45.11 | cga | ok i see stew |
| 19:45.13 | cga | thanks |
| 19:45.24 | stew | cga: depending on which syslog you use, that might be separate rotation |
| 19:45.46 | Ankman | guess i try again after reformating the stick and put the image back again |
| 19:46.12 | Ankman | if crashed again, it's ubuntu time again :-( |
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| 19:49.06 | cga | stew: thanks again |
| 19:49.13 | stew | :) |
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| 20:01.29 | plug918 | hello, i want to unistall php, apache2 completely, how could i do that on debian? |
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| 20:02.51 | themill | plug918: "aptitude purge ~nphp ~napache" replace "purge" by "remove" if you want to keep the config files around. Check the list of packages to be removed carefully to make sure that's what you want. |
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| 20:03.41 | plug918 | thnks |
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| 20:04.12 | plug918 | what is the different betwwen apt-get and aptitude? |
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| 20:04.51 | themill | dpkg: tell plug918 about why aptitude |
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| 20:07.29 | Tom01 | apt-get is console program and aptitude is a gui program. |
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| 20:09.33 | xbx | No, aptitude is no gui program. But it is interactive, which apt-get is not. |
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| 20:10.15 | Sazpaimon | trying to see if there exists a "watch folder" type program before I end up making one myself |
| 20:10.29 | xbx | synaptic is a well-known gui program for this purpose. |
| 20:10.39 | plug918 | why after i ran "aptitude purge ~nphp ~napache", i still can get php version by running: "php -v"? |
| 20:10.57 | Sazpaimon | essentially, I'm looking for a GUI-based application that will execute a command on files added to certain folders, and show the output in the window |
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| 20:13.09 | xbx | In fact, aptitude seems to be a more modern replacement for both apt-get and dselect. |
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| 20:14.06 | xbx | I have seen a lot of opinions that one should still prefer apt-get for some special purposes line upgrading. It this still true? |
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| 20:14.39 | themill | xbx: aptitude tends to fail spectacularly for lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:15.48 | themill | Sazpaimon: inotifywait might be what you are looking for (with some rudimentary shell scripting around it) |
| 20:16.25 | xbx | themill: thanx. I have squeeze now. Are there still any problems with aptitude to expect? |
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| 20:16.47 | Sazpaimon | themill: Yeah, I know how one would work. I was just wondering if something GUI based already existed |
| 20:16.51 | wols_ | themill: etch to lenny, it was standard practice to use aptitude, no? |
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| 20:17.48 | themill | xbx: aptitude is likely to fail with squeeze->wheezy too, at a guess. |
| 20:18.14 | themill | wols_: it was, yes. It usually did better than apt-get for that. (istr sarge->etch it was much better than apt-get) |
| 20:18.33 | Zopieux | hi |
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| 20:19.09 | Zopieux | i've created a user on my ARM debian but when i try to do simple things i've got |
| 20:19.09 | Zopieux | Couldn't open /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 20:19.29 | zelo | how can i set gcc version flag for installing nvidia driver? |
| 20:19.29 | Zopieux | is chmod a+rw /dev/tty ok? |
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| 20:20.40 | pkkm | What is the /etc/mail-old directory for? |
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| 20:20.49 | wols_ | zelo: are you using the nvidia drivers from non-free? |
| 20:21.23 | zelo | wols_ im installing from nvidia download and installing it from repository doesnt solve my problem ;p |
| 20:22.12 | wols_ | zelo: then ask #nvidia. we don't support drivers from nvidia.com. btw: you are mistaken with your problem only solved by nvidia.com. instead, those drivers break your debian, but your choice |
| 20:22.18 | wols_ | and your consequences |
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| 20:23.21 | zelo | wols_ these drivers was working great but i had to reinstall my system and it im not asking about nvidia drivers but how to set gcc version flag maybe there is some global variables which can acomplish that? |
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| 20:23.46 | wols_ | sure. there is CC |
| 20:24.21 | wols_ | but if you have to use it, it means your debian install is broken. your kernel version and your gcc are different |
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| 20:24.30 | xbx` | themill: strange situation, aptitude was created to have a better apt-get, in particular with non-trivial upgrades, and now apt-get seems to ge worse. Hope this will improve somehow, so we get one useful tool. |
| 20:25.19 | zelo | wols_ ive just installed minimal debian squeeze from net install so it shouldnt be broken :O |
| 20:25.29 | themill | xbx`: aptitude's resolver and scoring system is a work in progress. It seems to have got a lot worse in the last couple of years but will presumably improve over time. |
| 20:25.31 | wols_ | xbx`: it's fine like it is. competition is a good thing |
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| 20:25.59 | wols_ | zelo: what is your actual problem? |
| 20:26.40 | zelo | wols_ for now none. i solved everything |
| 20:26.45 | wols_ | themill: aptitude conflict resolution is nice. but only if it actually works. and it's very hit and miss... |
| 20:27.03 | wols_ | searching is nice and powerful too, but way way too complicated :( |
| 20:27.18 | themill | wols_: much more hit than miss unless you're trying to upgrade through broken sid packages. |
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| 20:29.02 | tharkun | Gentlemen i recall one command to add one user to a group instead of editing /etc/group anyone care to slap me with the name of it? |
| 20:29.17 | stew | tharkun: adduser username groupname |
| 20:29.45 | tharkun | stew: thanks |
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| 20:41.45 | kaolc2 | Question: I currently am trying to get my wireless working. For this I need packages. To install pack1 I need pack2 and pack3, for pack3 I need 4,5,6 and for 2 I need 7,8,9 and so on.. Is there any way to just get all dependencies for a package somehow? Keep in mind I'm downloading .deb files, putting them on a USB stick and inserting it to my offline station and installing with dpkg.. |
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| 20:43.23 | Arrowmaster | !apt-offline |
| 20:43.28 | Arrowmaster | !apt offline |
| 20:43.28 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>. |
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| 20:43.49 | Arrowmaster | kaolc2: /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 20:44.16 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: how does it work when you haven't run apt-get update beforehand? |
| 20:44.49 | kaolc2 | Arrowmaster: thanks :) |
| 20:45.04 | Arrowmaster | wols_: i dont know, ive never used it |
| 20:45.17 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: shows :P |
| 20:45.26 | discozohan | Hello! How can i reload /etc/network/interfaces file ? |
| 20:45.40 | discozohan | If i'll do /etc/init.d/networking stop, will my ssh connection drop ? |
| 20:45.53 | wols_ | discozohan: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:45.59 | wols_ | yes it will drop |
| 20:46.47 | ompaul | discozohan: it may if your ips are the same restablish itself |
| 20:46.57 | ompaul | ips and interface |
| 20:47.40 | discozohan | so, i did /etc/init.d/networking restart, and thats it, i need kvm |
| 20:47.42 | discozohan | shit |
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| 20:54.26 | benji0987 | hello, I have a question : Is there a (sh) tool that could allow me to establish a tcp connection where I would be able to specify the _source_ port |
| 20:54.27 | benji0987 | ? |
| 20:54.49 | stew | benji0987: nc? |
| 20:55.06 | benji0987 | checking |
| 20:55.12 | benji0987 | sounds good :) |
| 20:55.15 | benji0987 | thanks stew |
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| 20:56.34 | rudi_s | benji0987: socat is also quite useful. |
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| 21:03.38 | simonlnu | giwe: ask in here, please |
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| 21:05.42 | bucko | Hi; I'm having trouble getting xv to work under the radeon Xorg driver. xvinfo gives 'no adaptors present' and Xorg.0.log has '[dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM'. I've had both the nvidia and fglrx drivers installed on the system which may have infected something. |
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| 21:06.35 | bucko | Help or a place to go to find help would be appreciated. |
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| 21:07.53 | wols_ | bucko: if you run debian, you're in the right place |
| 21:08.04 | bucko | I do. :) |
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| 21:08.49 | wols_ | is the "radeon" kernel module loaded? |
| 21:08.56 | bucko | Yes. |
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| 21:10.12 | bucko | It doesn't output anything in dmesg bar ' [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.' however. Some examples I've seen while googling have extra output underneath this. |
| 21:12.08 | bucko | (On a side-note, my text console while I was fiddling with settings went from hi resolution to default resolution. I suspect I've messed something up to cause that, but my other machine has had hw accel without hi-res console so it may not be important.) |
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| 21:14.26 | andantino | ive just installed debian squeeze 32bit on an older system. I downloaded IDLE for python 2.6 through synaptic. but it is not showing up in the applications menu |
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| 21:18.47 | bucko | http://pastebin.com/jhH6mQ6J Xorg logfile. http://pastebin.com/hNguJH3s Xorg.conf. http://pastebin.com/ZjDaar5k dmesg output. |
| 21:19.21 | ujjain | how do I install a .deb package? |
| 21:19.30 | bucko | dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 21:19.30 | dpkg | package filename.deb is already installed |
| 21:19.49 | ujjain | hmm, it does not resolve dpeendencies though. |
| 21:20.05 | bucko | Then you want to use apt-get install <packagename> |
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| 21:20.40 | bucko | It's pretty rare for you to need a .deb. |
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| 21:21.01 | ujjain | I want to isntall baruwa. |
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| 21:23.04 | bucko | Anyone to help me with my dodgy lack of hardware acceleration on radeon issue? |
| 21:23.46 | ujjain | it installed the package while dependencies were not met :( |
| 21:24.08 | gynter | dpkg doesn't resolve dependencies |
| 21:24.08 | dpkg | gynter: wish i knew |
| 21:24.14 | bucko | You could try --force-all, then apt-get -f install, maybe. |
| 21:25.07 | ujjain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:25.18 | ujjain | hmm, thanks, but it's a .deb package, |
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| 21:25.22 | ujjain | will it work via apt-get install? |
| 21:25.44 | bucko | apt-get -f install tries to fix things after a disaster. |
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| 21:26.04 | stew | ujjain: run dpkg -i foo.deb, which fails due to the dependencies, then run "apt-get -f install" to resolve the dependencies and finish the install |
| 21:26.16 | stew | bucko: --force-whatever is really only intended for experts that know what they are doing |
| 21:26.27 | stew | and --force-all should never really be needed |
| 21:26.44 | ujjain | hmm, dpkg -i does not fail to to dependencies |
| 21:26.49 | ujjain | somehow it got installed anyway |
| 21:26.54 | ujjain | despite the dependency errors |
| 21:27.04 | ujjain | rH baruwa 1.0.2-4 Web 2.0 MailScanner front-end. |
| 21:27.15 | bucko | That's not installed. |
| 21:27.16 | gynter | its not installed |
| 21:27.26 | ujjain | ahhh |
| 21:27.47 | ujjain | apt-get install says |
| 21:27.47 | ujjain | baruwa is already the newest version. |
| 21:27.47 | ujjain | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 21:28.19 | ujjain | I'd like to delete everything that one dpkg -i created, and see the dependencies again |
| 21:28.29 | ujjain | now it gives weird errors like E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:30.20 | plug918 | hello, how do i install php using aptitude that with custom cofiguration, for example, install php with mssql module |
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| 21:31.26 | ujjain | I'd appreciate some help |
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| 21:32.03 | `Fuco` | will a default fresh install of debian be able to deal with a forkbomb? |
| 21:32.09 | ice799 | I am trying to find information about all the options one can pass to debuild but i cant seem to locate the right documentation |
| 21:32.15 | `Fuco` | the classic :(){ :|:&};: one |
| 21:32.29 | `Fuco` | because I'm an idiot and run it on my server by accident :( |
| 21:32.42 | `Fuco` | now I can't ssh to it or really do anything at all :D |
| 21:32.54 | ujjain | 2011-06-20 23:24:51 remove baruwa 1.0.2-4 1.0.2-4 |
| 21:32.54 | ujjain | 2011-06-20 23:24:51 status half-installed baruwa 1.0.2-4 |
| 21:32.57 | ujjain | how can I remove this? |
| 21:32.58 | simonlnu | `Fuco`: don't do that- as you saw. it's called a fork bomb |
| 21:32.59 | ompaul | `Fuco`: you need to restart the box |
| 21:33.04 | kaolc2 | OH GOD YES! After 9 hours struggling I've obtained INTERNET ACCESS |
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| 21:33.16 | `Fuco` | oh damn it |
| 21:33.21 | simonlnu | i did that once on purpose. i killed the parent shell |
| 21:33.32 | kaolc2 | life is not easy for a debian newb, I tell you |
| 21:33.34 | Black_Prince | bucko, do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
| 21:33.38 | `Fuco` | well I was testing some security things |
| 21:33.43 | simonlnu | i even ran it in an xterm ;) |
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| 21:33.46 | `Fuco` | but obviously I didn't save the config file |
| 21:33.49 | ompaul | `Fuco`: ENWORK |
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| 21:33.54 | Black_Prince | Also, having installed both nvidia and fglrx binary drivers is bad, really bad. |
| 21:34.12 | ompaul | `Fuco`: you need a controlling terminal and a reboot |
| 21:34.28 | `Fuco` | I see |
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| 21:34.46 | ompaul | `Fuco`: you could contact the person who provides the service they would most likely be very happy to reboot it for you and charge you for taking out all your neighbours :) |
| 21:34.50 | `Fuco` | I thought maybe there is some default limit on the number of processes spawned or something |
| 21:35.15 | `Fuco` | it's my own machine hosted at friend's company |
| 21:35.15 | simonlnu | debian leaves it up to the admin to do that |
| 21:35.23 | `Fuco` | it's just I have to wait till morning |
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| 21:35.48 | kaolc2 | is there any shortcut to open a Terminal? |
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| 21:36.36 | ompaul | `Fuco`: this is why ipmi is useful |
| 21:36.43 | Bushmills | kaolc2: when starting X? yes, specify xterm as your window manager |
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| 21:36.50 | bucko | Aha, looks like fglrx had left a module behind. Killing the module made everything good. |
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| 21:36.58 | bucko | And no tearing on video. Phew. |
| 21:37.14 | kaolc2 | Bushmills, I'm talking generally when I'm using my computer.. |
| 21:37.25 | bucko | Black_Prince: I did, but to no avail. |
| 21:37.28 | kaolc2 | a shortcut key combination to open a terminal window |
| 21:37.34 | Bushmills | ah. well, the general answer is probably "depends" |
| 21:37.41 | bucko | Thanks for the brief help, guys. |
| 21:37.48 | ujjain | Can somebody help me clean up my system? http://www.codepad.eu/view/34613718 |
| 21:37.48 | Fuco | ompaul: hm, we actually might have something like that |
| 21:38.01 | Fuco | anyway, I think there's nothing I can do at this point ;D |
| 21:38.34 | bucko | Oh, while I'm about, I used to have sudo as media user ask for 'bucko' password but to become root. Now it defaults to becoming bucko. manpage is a giant maze, so anyone know off-hand what I did wrong this time? |
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| 21:41.47 | Bushmills | bucko: you haven't set up sudo, maybe? |
| 21:41.55 | bucko | Nono, I have. |
| 21:42.04 | bucko | Defaults:media runas_default=bucko,runaspw |
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| 21:42.28 | bucko | This causes sudo to ask for bucko's password, but also defaults to sudoing to bucko instead of root. |
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| 21:42.43 | Bushmills | ah. it does? |
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| 21:43.05 | Bushmills | i thought there was a problem with it |
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| 21:44.38 | Bushmills | Oh frettled gruntbuggly |
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| 21:56.50 | olol85 | anybody knows why does my mouse cursor disappear when I'm scrolling? |
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| 21:57.09 | olol85 | don't think i've done something fancy with configs |
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| 21:57.23 | olol85 | just a default linux mint debian based install |
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| 21:58.01 | twobitsprite | inb4 /msg dpkg mint |
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| 21:59.29 | olol85 | linux mint is debian |
| 21:59.33 | olol85 | thanks |
| 21:59.41 | twobitsprite | !tell olol85 about based on debian |
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| 21:59.57 | Arch_ | During any updates, does debian overwrite .bashrc, .bash_profile, or .profile? And if I were to edit one of them, which should I edit? I want to put in a command that would affect all terminals for me from login (so I guess it would be .bash_profile that I would have to create or .profile?) |
| 22:00.11 | olol85 | twobitsprite: yes that's right |
| 22:00.14 | olol85 | based on debian |
| 22:00.16 | jelly-home | Arch_: Debian won't overwrite stuff in user's homes |
| 22:00.34 | daemonkeeper | olol85: Please read the actual content of the factoid, not only the title. |
| 22:00.51 | jelly-home | !mint |
| 22:00.51 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 22:01.13 | Arch_ | jelly-home: If I were to create .bash_profile, would I have to call .bashrc from within it? |
| 22:01.30 | Arch_ | jelly-home: Kind of like what I am seeing in .profile? |
| 22:01.36 | jelly-home | Arch_: I'm not a bash user, would have to RFTM to answer that |
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| 22:01.41 | Arch_ | :P |
| 22:02.08 | jelly-home | :V |
| 22:02.36 | twobitsprite | Arch_: my homedir has a ~/.profile which calls ~/.bashrc, and I have no ~/.bash_profile |
| 22:03.03 | Arch_ | twobitsprite: That's how mine is, I just don't know which one I should edit or create |
| 22:03.13 | kaolc2 | When I run sudo apt-get update it asks me for my CD1.. Why can't it update via the net? How do I make it? |
| 22:03.17 | twobitsprite | Arch_: put your customizations in ~/.bashrc |
| 22:03.23 | twobitsprite | or at least, that's what I do |
| 22:03.29 | Arch_ | twobitsprite: k :P |
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| 22:04.29 | simonlnu | kaolc2: comment out the cdrom entry in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:04.53 | simonlnu | or remove it if you don't plan on using it |
| 22:05.11 | kaolc2 | thanks simonlnu |
| 22:05.17 | teratorn | jelly-home: zsh? |
| 22:05.17 | simonlnu | yw |
| 22:05.40 | jelly-home | teratorn: bless ya |
| 22:06.11 | jelly-home | (yes) |
| 22:06.14 | simonlnu | zsh \o/ |
| 22:06.16 | teratorn | jelly-home: :) |
| 22:06.58 | kaolc2 | ohhh god, first apt-get via the INTERNET after spending 9 hours moving packets with a USB stick.. This feels gooood |
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| 22:07.43 | simonlnu | net join, weee |
| 22:07.56 | Arch_ | welcome, peasants >:] |
| 22:08.15 | teratorn | zsh is excellent - but I wish they would provide an easy way for newbies to get a default config that actually had all the awesome stuff turned on |
| 22:08.38 | teratorn | I dunno, some people say oh-my-zsh is good - https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh |
| 22:08.42 | simonlnu | teratorn: there's a new users thingy now (debian-specific?) |
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| 22:09.08 | simonlnu | basically a compinstall run |
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| 22:09.19 | teratorn | simonlnu: the thing that pops up if you don't have a .zshrc? yeah - but it doesn't do much? |
| 22:09.39 | teratorn | oh, it does at least turn on advanced completion? |
| 22:10.00 | daemonkeeper | ZSH has a built-in setup routine |
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| 22:11.00 | pickcoder | Arch_: man bash |
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| 22:11.04 | pickcoder | look at "INVOCATION" |
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| 22:11.15 | pickcoder | under that section title is all you need to know |
| 22:11.22 | Arch_ | pickcoder: k |
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| 22:12.38 | juso | Looking to partition a drive that has a filesystem into 2 filesystems - what should I look into? |
| 22:13.10 | pickcoder | juso: depends on the file system that's there |
| 22:13.24 | simonlnu | looking at that oh-my-zsh now.. |
| 22:13.54 | juso | pickcoder: hpfs or whatever mac is - so I want another filesystem of ext3 as well on it |
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| 22:19.49 | pickcoder | juso: you should be able to use parted or one of the parted boot CDs to help you resize that partition and create a new one |
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| 22:20.12 | juso | ok looking at gparted now |
| 22:20.14 | pickcoder | you probably need to disable journaling |
| 22:20.14 | L0Lcat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaP7STV1aFs |
| 22:20.35 | juso | pickcoder: do i disable journling on FS or on the mount? |
| 22:20.57 | pickcoder | osx? |
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| 22:21.40 | pickcoder | I would probably make a back-up of critical files before you do any of it, though |
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| 22:22.21 | juso | pickcoder: well i am on a debian machine - with a usb hpfs (osx) drive - so yeah |
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| 22:22.51 | pickcoder | oh well you should be OK if it's at rest |
| 22:24.18 | kaolc2 | um.. Why is Aptitude removing every app on my system? I just ran sudo aptitude install pidgin |
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| 22:24.55 | themill | dpkg: tell kaolc2 about unmarkauto |
| 22:24.56 | AuroraX | testing |
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| 22:25.00 | AuroraX | !op |
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| 22:25.02 | AuroraX | !ops |
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| 22:25.40 | kaolc2 | themill: What do I do now? I have nothing left |
| 22:25.45 | kaolc2 | literally everything is gone, even Terminal |
| 22:25.48 | mycae | Hi all, does anyone know where I can find good a good description of the correct way to modify my packages to install gettext mo files? |
| 22:26.15 | themill | kaolc2: I presume you were using gnome before, /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 22:26.25 | kaolc2 | yes, I was |
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| 22:26.39 | kaolc2 | how do I prevent this from happening again? |
| 22:26.51 | themill | kaolc2: read aptitude's output |
| 22:27.23 | kaolc2 | I did.. I |
| 22:27.26 | kaolc2 | I'll read it again |
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| 22:27.44 | bluegene | anyone knows how to put a setting like "echo 120 > /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/speed" into sysctl.conf? |
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| 22:28.26 | kaolc2 | Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen package - How do I know which packages are to be strategically chosen? |
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| 22:29.34 | themill | kaolc2: the list of metapackages listed by "/msg dpkg install gnome" would be a good start. But they have to be installed first... there's no point in doing that now. |
| 22:29.56 | daemonkeeper | bluegene: Not all settings are available through a sysctl. If it is, sysctl -a will tell you |
| 22:30.15 | kaolc2 | I'm installing gnome again |
| 22:30.22 | kaolc2 | 85% done already |
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| 22:31.22 | pickcoder | bluegene: that could be a module load option or part of an init script |
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| 22:45.49 | alexbobp | I'm having an odd problem with grub2 preventing my kernel update on a VPS |
| 22:45.50 | alexbobp | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. Check your device.map. |
| 22:46.00 | alexbobp | anybody know what device.map should look like? right now it's an empty file |
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| 22:47.17 | bluegene | daemonkeeper, pickcoder: thank you |
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| 22:48.23 | pickcoder | no prob |
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| 22:50.33 | bluegene | so i guess i'll just put those settings into rc.local |
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| 22:51.21 | pickcoder | bluegene: unless there is something starting before then, that needs that device |
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| 22:52.18 | will972 | hello |
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| 22:52.37 | will972 | I have a problem with squeeze/amd64 on a macpro 3.1 16Gb ram/ati radeon. |
| 22:52.53 | will972 | basically, black screen right after grub loading the kernel and initrd |
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| 22:53.17 | will972 | it also doesn't ping so I have no way to confirm it's just a screenproblem. |
| 22:53.47 | will972 | the installation when just fine |
| 22:54.28 | will972 | i tried nomodeset=0 radeon.modeset=0 which was suggested in a ubuntu guide, but it didn;t help |
| 22:55.13 | will972 | I would at least like to get a text terminal. I don't really need X. vga=off nofb didn't help |
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| 22:56.39 | antiwire | will972: try booting with nomodeset=1 as a kernel param |
| 22:56.49 | will972 | ok will try |
| 22:57.30 | will972 | nope - still back screen |
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| 22:57.46 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:58.45 | will972 | the only way to get to the distro is using the rescue mode of the cd |
| 22:59.21 | mutable | Hello. What's the best command-line unified unarchive utility (tgz, tar.bz2, zip, rar, ...) ? |
| 23:00.12 | mycae | 7za |
| 23:00.40 | mycae | no rar tho. |
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| 23:02.01 | mutable | I roll my own maybe. Thank you. |
| 23:02.43 | will972 | apparently doing isnmod readeon from the rescue prompt kills the screen |
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| 23:03.08 | will972 | I will try adding it to blacklist.conf |
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| 23:06.15 | ironfroggy | if a package has been replaced/renamed and i need to install another package which depends on the original name, is there some way i can get around that? |
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| 23:07.28 | will972 | how can I manually start /bin/init from my installed partition in the shell in rescue mode ? |
| 23:07.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | ironfroggy: you could build a dummy package. was it a pure rename, or did the version change too? |
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| 23:08.20 | themill | !wayttd ironfroggy |
| 23:08.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ironfroggy? |
| 23:10.05 | ironfroggy | Kamping_Kaiser: i think it was jsut a rename. the dep in question is libnspr4 |
| 23:10.28 | ironfroggy | which another package requires as libnspr4-0d |
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| 23:11.29 | Black_Prince | ,versions libnspr4-0d |
| 23:11.31 | judd | Package libnspr4-0d on i386 -- lenny: 4.7.1-5; lenny-security: 4.7.1-5; lenny-backports: 4.8.6-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.8.6-1; wheezy: 4.8.8-1; sid: 4.8.8-2 |
| 23:11.47 | Black_Prince | Er, every distribution has that one ... |
| 23:11.49 | will972 | nope, even with the blacklist still blackscreen |
| 23:12.23 | ironfroggy | Black_Prince: apparently not mine. im actually running kubuntu, not debian itself. i asked here because i was asking in context of a question about debian packages and dpkg specifically. |
| 23:12.30 | wols_ | will972: have you installed the radeon firmware? |
| 23:12.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | fail |
| 23:12.35 | ironfroggy | i thought maybe there was some option i could use to get around it. |
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| 23:13.00 | wols_ | ironfroggy: equivs can do it, the questions is if you should |
| 23:13.35 | ironfroggy | wols_: "should" and "will work" are different, and right now i dont know which i need, honestly. |
| 23:14.06 | wols_ | yes. the package might really need the special libnspr4 |
| 23:14.37 | Black_Prince | Ubuntu and Debian are binary incompatible ... Rebuild package on ubuntu and let it link against it's libraries. |
| 23:14.42 | themill | ironfroggy: please take it to the appropriate channel, #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc. |
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| 23:15.07 | wols_ | stupid me. didn't see that. I guess it's really time for bed |
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| 23:16.56 | will972 | wols_ : I didnt know there was a firmware. I just did apt-cache search radeon to see if I was missing anything. How can I install it |
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| 23:17.26 | wols_ | !tell will972 about firmware |
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| 23:17.54 | wols_ | will972: radeon firmware is in non-free |
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| 23:18.36 | will972 | oops |
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| 23:18.52 | will972 | wols_ : thanks doing apt-get update atm |
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| 23:20.25 | will972 | wols_ : installed from withiun the rescue, then removed the blacklist and now rebooting |
| 23:21.54 | will972 | wols_ : nope still black screen. I have openssh installed but it doesn't even ping (??) |
| 23:22.03 | wols_ | will972: squeeze kernel worked fine for me, bpo kernel needed the firmware (I have intel/ati switchable graphics) |
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| 23:23.33 | will972 | wols_: I have a 2600xt and trying anything to get at least a console install |
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| 23:24.12 | antiwire | what was the correct debian channel/ network to join for talking about wheezy and a possible problem with network interfaces and udev/hotplug/something_like_that? |
| 23:25.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | #debian-next, aiui |
| 23:25.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | on oftc |
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| 23:26.49 | will972 | I guess the system is crashing for some reason. I should at least have ap ing |
| 23:26.53 | antiwire | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
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| 23:28.12 | will972 | how could I get a vga=788 like mode from the install cd ? that works fine. |
| 23:28.42 | will972 | but with the default kernel I don't know how to specify such bare text mode. |
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| 23:31.26 | abrotman | will972: did you flip into the help when you boot the CD? |
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| 23:32.02 | will972 | abrotman: no, I'm currently booted in - will check the help |
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| 23:34.16 | will972 | ..rebooting... |
| 23:36.26 | will972 | abrotman: where in the help? I only see vga=771 |
| 23:36.44 | will972 | oops |
| 23:36.48 | will972 | vga=normal fb=false |
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| 23:37.16 | abrotman | those are examples, you can type in anything you want |
| 23:37.58 | karlpinc | !kernel parameters |
| 23:37.58 | dpkg | methinks kernel-params is http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 23:38.07 | will972 | crash again :/ |
| 23:38.13 | will972 | with vga=normal fb=false |
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| 23:40.29 | will972 | the only thing that works is recue mode |
| 23:40.37 | juso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:41.03 | abrotman | will972: why can't you use vga=788 ? |
| 23:41.05 | will972 | in the rescue mode I see vga=788 |
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| 23:41.19 | will972 | but last time I tried with the default kernel crashed |
| 23:41.34 | will972 | will try again |
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| 23:43.35 | joe6 | has anyone tried graft? stow gives me conflict with /usr/local/man and am told that graft is better. Any thoughts, please? |
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| 23:44.33 | kaolc2 | Does anyone have experience with installing OTR for Pidgin on Debian? |
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| 23:46.53 | joe6 | i will post in #linux |
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| 23:48.11 | Peikko | ahem |
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| 23:49.51 | craigevil | kaolc2, aptitude install pidgin-otr :) |
| 23:50.16 | auska | hi! I'm trying to get a ftp server on debian with ftpd, but when i'm connected to it, if I try to do for example 'ls' I get the error: 500 Illegal PORT rejected (address wrong). What can i do? |
| 23:51.25 | kaolc2 | craigevil: THANK YOU! Why did I not think of that? I was trying to compile from scratch :D |
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| 23:55.02 | joe6 | this is the message I get with stow: http://sprunge.us/NhOf |
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| 23:55.33 | will972 | vga=788 gets me a black screen... |
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| 23:56.06 | will972 | I'm a bit out of options. I got the firmware nonfree, and all. |
| 23:56.07 | dokma | hey guyz.... anyone knows an otf font editor available through apt? |
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| 23:56.19 | will972 | just can't boot the installed system |
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| 23:57.01 | abrotman | are you sure it's related to your video ?> |
| 23:57.43 | will972 | abrotman : that's the only I have. I tried acpi=off noapic in case it was something else |
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| 23:58.02 | will972 | the system is a macpro 3.1 using grub2 efi. |
| 23:58.11 | abrotman | runs away |
| 23:58.21 | will972 | the installation works fine on another macpro with a nvidia |
| 23:58.25 | *** join/#debian sylar (~sylarrrr@bzq-218-182-227.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 23:58.36 | *** join/#debian jmichaelx (~james@199.21.199.156) |
| 23:58.40 | will972 | yes it's scary. work machines are great though. |
| 23:59.13 | B3rz3rk3r | hi guys, i need some help with directory aliasing on Gadmin-ProFTPd, how do I allow users out of the home directory, or put links to other allowed directories into their home? |
