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| 00:00.57 | will972 | besides the video card the only difference is the amount of ram. it's a beast with 16g |
| 00:01.08 | will972 | but boots fine in the installer without any wpecial option |
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| 00:01.39 | rubin110 | How do I display all of my $DISPLAYs? |
| 00:01.45 | rubin110 | er list |
| 00:01.46 | dudz_ | B3rz3rk3r, if you are using chroot you need to mount inside the chroot |
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| 00:03.10 | tlab | whats the best way to control audio devices, I have a usb headset that shows up but I need to direct the sound to it, instead of the default sound card |
| 00:04.13 | B3rz3rk3r | dudz_ im not sure if its using chroot, but users are locked into their home directories, so I assume so? |
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| 00:07.12 | dudz_ | you should probably leave the users to stay in there home directories unless you don't want each user to see a different set of files/folders |
| 00:07.28 | dudz_ | then you would want to set some global directory where you mount others too |
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| 00:10.01 | dudz_ | if you want to leave everyone in there home directory though so they have there own private space, then do that and just mount other directories or hard drives into each users home directory. |
| 00:10.07 | ragnar76 | good morning |
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| 00:11.16 | ragnar76 | what has happend to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so ? my xorg's log file is full of errors about it |
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| 00:13.53 | Black_Prince | ragnar76, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630834 |
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| 00:16.11 | mapd | hi |
| 00:16.16 | ragnar76 | Black_Prince: so, i can count on an update package within a few days? |
| 00:16.20 | joe6 | any suggestions on this error, please? http://sprunge.us/OYHE |
| 00:16.29 | joe6 | seems to be some package that I messed up.. |
| 00:16.32 | ragnar76 | or even, fix by myself until the package arrives |
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| 00:16.42 | joe6 | aptitude: /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by aptitude) |
| 00:16.43 | mapd | im trying to enable [] keycode on debian any idea? |
| 00:16.51 | joe6 | any suggestion on how I can fix it? |
| 00:17.27 | Black_Prince | ragnar76, not sure ... There was some thread on debian forums about how to temporary fix it . |
| 00:17.30 | dondelelcaro | ragnar76: an update has already been made which fixes that issue |
| 00:17.46 | will972 | OK GOT IT! |
| 00:17.50 | will972 | the problem was EFI related |
| 00:17.56 | Black_Prince | ragnar76, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=65667 |
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| 00:18.03 | will972 | booting though a good ol grub on the MBR works |
| 00:18.54 | ragnar76 | dondelelcaro: i did not update since saturday but thx. i'll update now :) |
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| 00:20.38 | will972 | wols_, abroman : thanks for your help! |
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| 00:25.19 | ragnar76 | ok, good night all |
| 00:26.38 | mapd | anyone please? |
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| 00:33.18 | mapd | i cant make [ and ] work on debian :| |
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| 00:33.59 | mycae | mapd : what is your keyboard layout, and how did you enter that in? |
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| 00:34.49 | mapd | portugal is kye layour 105 generic intl and i use altgr + 8 |
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| 00:36.24 | mycae | using gnome? |
| 00:36.45 | mapd | mycae only console |
| 00:38.22 | mycae | and you have tried "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" ? |
| 00:38.30 | mapd | isnt that for sid only? |
| 00:38.35 | abrotman | no |
| 00:38.41 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 00:38.41 | dpkg | Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 00:39.13 | kaolc2 | abrotman: thanks for the help earlier, got everything working at last |
| 00:39.21 | mapd | Squeeze users: run <- |
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| 00:39.41 | mycae | ok, so you are on squeeze , my bad :) You tried it? |
| 00:39.51 | mapd | ya |
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| 00:39.55 | mapd | and it works |
| 00:40.00 | mapd | is that permanent? |
| 00:40.36 | mycae | afaik, its permanent enough. What did you select during install? |
| 00:40.43 | mapd | stantard |
| 00:40.46 | mapd | *standard |
| 00:40.49 | mapd | it works! |
| 00:41.10 | mycae | if you want to be sure, reboot. |
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| 00:41.10 | mapd | no i have another issue |
| 00:41.15 | mapd | nope not permanent |
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| 00:46.37 | mapd | i do loadkeys and works again mycae |
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| 00:47.41 | mycae | then pragmatically, add loadkeys to your bashrc |
| 00:47.50 | mycae | a hack, to be sure |
| 00:48.08 | mycae | but now you know more than me :) |
| 00:48.32 | mapd | but not to be rude |
| 00:48.39 | mapd | on archlinux it works perfectly :P |
| 00:49.25 | dudz_ | why change if you had it working ? :P |
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| 00:49.37 | mycae | Not rude, but works for me (tm). If you can debug it, do. If not, work around. |
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| 00:57.54 | mapd | fixed it mycae |
| 00:57.56 | mapd | :) |
| 00:58.22 | mycae | what was it? |
| 00:58.29 | mapd | its the key |
| 00:58.47 | mapd | board keymap but i googled and made same changes on default keyboard |
| 00:59.56 | mapd | tell me a good console font? |
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| 01:03.59 | Holborn | the default keymap loaded is in /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz or almost was years ago :-) you only need to copy/rename the one you need ... |
| 01:04.29 | mapd | i fixed it Holborn |
| 01:04.30 | mapd | :) |
| 01:05.21 | Holborn | keymas are located in /usr/share/keymaps .. btw :-) |
| 01:06.27 | mapd | yes |
| 01:06.30 | mapd | thanks guys!! |
| 01:06.40 | mapd | mycae i did like Holborn said |
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| 01:08.01 | mapd | bye |
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| 01:17.30 | Lars_G | Quick question, anyone knows what package vlc needs in debian multimedia to be able to stream/reencode into h264? |
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| 01:29.05 | abrotman | Lars_G: i thought there was a package with the name 264 in it |
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| 01:31.49 | ujjain | I seem to be in dependency hell with Debian lately, i want exim instad of postfix again, E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'exim4'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 01:42.56 | stew | ujjain: what version of exim4 is this? |
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| 01:43.35 | ujjain | I am not sure, just default. |
| 01:43.47 | ujjain | but I am reinstalling virtual machine, I made many changes, I'd rather start clean anyway |
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| 02:01.34 | jm | I don't mean to be rude, but what the hell has happened to wheezy? I know it's called "testing" but my experience with it has been the worst I've ever had with debian. not even a purely sid install has ever been this bad. |
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| 02:01.54 | jm | did debian suddenly allow a bunch of retarded developers to take over development of wheezy? |
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| 02:02.19 | abrotman | it's called testing for a reason |
| 02:02.22 | rww | not-stable repositories are not stable. |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | you don't like stuff breaking, don't use testing/unstable |
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| 02:03.04 | abrotman | jm: there have been a few transitions happening .. i think one broke non-free binary drivers |
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| 02:04.01 | jm | abrotman, it's not just errors, it's the direction things are headed, and the decisions that are being made |
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| 02:04.16 | jm | bbkeys is removed because it's "abandoned" and has a "low popcon". wtf? |
| 02:04.38 | abrotman | jm: so step and volunteer to maintain it .. |
| 02:04.48 | abrotman | honestly, it never should have been pulled out of blackbox .. but whatever |
| 02:05.05 | jm | I doubt many blackbox users care to participate in the popularity contest, but that doesn't mean it should be removed |
| 02:05.06 | jm | right |
| 02:05.12 | jm | I think blackbox itself is up for adoption as well |
| 02:05.19 | jm | so it makes no sense to me to remove bbkeys |
| 02:05.30 | jm | someone submits a bug report saying "abandoned, low popcon" and it gets removed |
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| 02:06.08 | abrotman | jm: honestly, you can adopt it |
| 02:06.28 | abrotman | jm: it's been orphaned or someone filed an RFA ? |
| 02:06.47 | jm | in an install of wheezy on a desktop today, keyboard and mouse input would not work at all through hotplug, so I had to manually disable that and configure xorg. /dev/shm was symlinked to /run/shm, but /run/shm didn't exist. and on a later install, wheezy detects it's being installed as a "guest" when it's absolutely being installed on a physical machine |
| 02:06.55 | jm | so it does all this annoying crap because it thinks it's a xen guest |
| 02:07.18 | jm | I understand that it's testing. I've been using it for over a decade. |
| 02:07.22 | jm | but it's never, ever been this shitty |
| 02:07.33 | jm | what's the experimental branch for, anyway? |
| 02:08.01 | jm | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=615643 |
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| 02:09.07 | abrotman | jm: so if you want to keep it .. adopt it .. IIRC, it's not a complicated package |
| 02:09.23 | jm | complicated how? |
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| 02:09.40 | abrotman | well, now, you'd have to start from scratch ... but i don't recall it's a huge package |
| 02:09.52 | jm | I've compiled it on my own before |
| 02:09.55 | jm | it's not a huge package |
| 02:09.59 | jm | it's a simple program |
| 02:10.03 | abrotman | i know it is |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | i used BB for five years or so |
| 02:10.33 | jm | I'm looking for BB alternatives, due to it being abandoned, but I just can't find anything that feels comfortable |
| 02:10.37 | abrotman | it used to be so much better .. but that's a different problem |
| 02:10.43 | jm | I've been using openbox for 3 weeks on my netbook |
| 02:10.44 | abrotman | jm: fluxbox? openbox? |
| 02:10.47 | jm | but it just doesn't cut it |
| 02:10.51 | abrotman | lxde ? |
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| 02:11.01 | jm | I don't know what lxde is |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | so try it and see |
| 02:11.36 | abrotman | !lxde |
| 02:11.37 | dpkg | methinks lxde is Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:12.15 | abrotman | i use lxde on my netbook, works decently well |
| 02:12.27 | jm | everything I really do is based around custom keybindings, more so than the mouse |
| 02:12.38 | jm | from the screenshots, I don't think it's what I'm looking for |
| 02:12.45 | abrotman | why not? |
| 02:12.46 | jm | I'm looking for something more in the *box category |
| 02:13.02 | abrotman | it uses openbox as its WM |
| 02:13.05 | jm | I may like fluxbox if I could get it set up exactly how I want it |
| 02:13.21 | jm | I certainly don't use desktop icons |
| 02:13.33 | mosno | i never understood the appeal of having to find a visible area of your desktop to click for a menu |
| 02:13.39 | mosno | besides the cool look of it :) |
| 02:13.53 | jm | you don't |
| 02:13.55 | jm | you can bind keys to that |
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| 02:14.06 | mosno | ah, i suppose you can |
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| 02:14.23 | jm | but there's always at least a small area of the desktop visible in my setup, at least by the blackbox bar |
| 02:15.21 | jm | I find FX keys to the programs I most commonly run, one of which is bound to bbrun, which I use a lot to run other programs |
| 02:15.29 | jm | it's faster than menu navigation anyway |
| 02:15.54 | jm | find = bind |
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| 02:20.27 | jm | if I could get something like the bb toolbar in openbox, I might be happier with it |
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| 02:21.21 | jm | but all the "panels" people seem to use with it don't seem to offer anything similar |
| 02:22.42 | xuser | try dwm |
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| 02:23.14 | jm | I've used blackbox for a really long time. I am a bit averse to change, but blackbox is what I'm used to, and what I've become very productive with. I've even used bblean/bbclean on windows machines for several years. |
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| 02:34.32 | kingsley | How would you use an email attachment from an Apple user that the "file" command describes as "MPEG ADTS, layer I, v1, 160 kBits, 44.1 kHz, Stereo"? |
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| 02:44.04 | drags | kingsley: mplayer |
| 02:44.12 | MrFrood | kingsley: .aac file? |
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| 02:47.00 | kingsley | MrFrood: Please elaborate. |
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| 02:47.42 | chicognu | how do i discovery the device using the id ? 0c45:628c |
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| 02:49.20 | MrFrood | kingsley: is it a .aac file https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding |
| 02:50.29 | MrFrood | !aac |
| 02:50.29 | dpkg | [aac] Advanced Audio Codec, one of the best quality sound solutions compared to MP3. It has superior sound to most other lossy formats. Available with added <DRM> if bought from the iTunes Music Store. See also <faac>. |
| 02:51.34 | jm | lxpanel doesn't seem to be too bad, but its idea of center alignment is in disagreement with mine. |
| 02:52.37 | MrFrood | me does not undderstandds peoples facinactions with pannels :-/ |
| 02:52.41 | kingsley | drags: I tried playing the file with |
| 02:52.41 | jm | I guess it's just a bit quirky, but it seems pretty decent |
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| 02:52.54 | kingsley | drags: $ mplayer attachment-file-name |
| 02:53.03 | kingsley | drags: but mplayer said |
| 02:53.03 | jm | MrFrood, more than anything, I want a clock |
| 02:53.06 | jm | but something simple |
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| 02:53.16 | kingsley | drags: SUB: Could not determine file format |
| 02:53.22 | MrFrood | !tell kingsley about faac |
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| 02:54.21 | hiyo1 | Hello there, can anyone help me with partitioning please? |
| 02:55.02 | MrFrood | jm: conky or dzen or even dear old xclock :P |
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| 02:57.19 | epsilon | !ask |
| 02:57.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 02:57.59 | GinTonicool | hi, all |
| 02:58.23 | kingsley | MrFrood: I do not know if the email attachment is an aac file, but I tried converting it with |
| 02:58.36 | GinTonicool | does someone can recommend me some books about embeded-linux ? thanks |
| 02:59.03 | kingsley | MrFrood: $ faad -o email_attachment.wav email_attachment |
| 02:59.16 | kingsley | MrFrood: Then I tried to play the .wav file with |
| 02:59.36 | kingsley | MrFrood: $ play email_attachment.wav |
| 03:00.01 | kingsley | MrFrood: Unfortunately, I only heard a "click". |
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| 03:01.13 | kingsley | MrFrood: The original attachment is only 756 bytes, so it seems to me that the file's small size contradicts its type reported by the "file" command. |
| 03:02.37 | GinTonicool | does someone can recommend me some books about embeded-linux ? thanks |
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| 03:06.23 | MrFrood | kingsley: if I understood what you originally posted right it would indicate that your file is most likly .aac - as long as the file does not have any drm faad should work |
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| 03:16.53 | GinTonicool | does someone can recommend me some books about embeded-linux ? |
| 03:17.02 | GinTonicool | no one help me ? |
| 03:18.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | try asking #emdebian on oftc, i expect tehy'll have some suggestions |
| 03:18.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | #openmoko{-debian} might , but i dunno |
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| 03:36.03 | nsadmin | GinTonicool, you might try google first, and ##linux to ask about additional sources of info... not sure how your original question is specific to debian, and I saw nothing about what you're interested in doing, so I suggest looking in more general places |
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| 03:48.56 | Swim | heya all! |
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| 03:53.09 | Swim | who knows how to fix this http://paste2.org/p/1481228 it happens while apt-get command. |
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| 03:56.38 | yogi | I have placed a script in /etc/cron.hourly but it does not gets executed |
| 03:57.08 | yogi | even when running "run-parts --test /etc/cron.hourly" from the command line I get no reply |
| 03:57.20 | yogi | same with "run-parts --list /etc/cron.hourly" |
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| 03:59.13 | Jayro | hello, does anyone here know how i can map input from my usb controller to my keyboard? |
| 03:59.18 | Jayro | as key presses? |
| 03:59.29 | yogi | aha! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472585 |
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| 04:00.03 | wols | Jayro: what usb controller? |
| 04:00.11 | Jayro | wols, ps3 controler. |
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| 04:02.24 | wols | Jayro: http://www.ehow.com/how_7729420_use-ps3-controller-ubuntu.html stuff like xev or such can then probably convert it to keyboard input |
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| 04:03.30 | ZykoticK9 | Jayro, you might also want to check out "joy2key - Translate joystick movements into equivalent keystrokes" |
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| 04:03.55 | Jayro | Zyferus, i have been playing with that but it is the most confusing peice of software i have ever used. |
| 04:04.09 | denstark | Hello! is it possible to change my active alsa card without rebooting? |
| 04:04.09 | denstark | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.12 | denstark | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.17 | denstark | erm... that didn't paste correctly |
| 04:04.55 | ZykoticK9 | Jayro, ya - i had similar experience, thus my "might" want to check out ;) Good luck. |
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| 04:06.27 | spersaud | if you have a 64 bit system, can you change settings in sysctl.conf ? to improve performance ? is this recommended ? has anyone done this ? |
| 04:06.57 | wols | what do you want to change? of course you can, the question is: why? |
| 04:07.42 | spersaud | wols: to make your system faster, ie you have more memory want to increase the cache |
| 04:08.00 | tux0 | is it possible to show the starting block of a partition using fdisk? |
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| 04:08.11 | wols | spersaud: what cache? ALL memory currently not used is cache. always |
| 04:08.29 | wols | tux0: no. but with dd or less it is |
| 04:08.38 | Jayro | wols, ive gone threw that guide,.. but how do i connect it and map it? |
| 04:08.41 | wols | !tell spersaud about free ram |
| 04:09.05 | tux0 | wols with dd or less, can you explain? |
| 04:09.07 | wols | Jayro: well, with the guide you now have mouse buttons. mouse buttons can press keys. I'm sure there are howtos for that |
| 04:09.22 | antiwire | wols: it was a network-manager conflict |
| 04:09.25 | antiwire | all better. |
| 04:09.31 | wols | tux0: dd if=/dev/sda1 bs=512 count=1 of=outfile |
| 04:09.40 | Jayro | wols, cant even get it connected.. |
| 04:10.00 | tux0 | wols how do you do it with less? |
| 04:10.18 | tux0 | wols with "dd or less" that got me |
| 04:10.24 | wols | tux0: less outfile. you can also use "less /dev/sda1" of course |
| 04:10.41 | wols | less is not exactly ideal to look at a binary file |
| 04:11.04 | Jayro | wols. i have no problem doing this over usb |
| 04:11.13 | Jayro | i just need to map the codes to the buttons |
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| 04:11.32 | wols | Jayro: if it works via usb, what do you get for input? |
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| 04:11.38 | JairunCaloth | whoh! Why on earth is dhclient getting a new lease every 50 seconds or so? |
| 04:11.53 | Jayro | wols, i forget the command to see imput from a usb devise.. |
| 04:11.57 | Jayro | device* |
| 04:11.59 | tux0 | wols thank you. |
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| 04:12.50 | wols | JairunCaloth: check logs? old one runs out? network manager doing shit as usual? |
| 04:13.23 | denstark | So essentially, is there a way to change the alsa device without needing to reboot? I heard of alsactl and someone told me alsamixer can do it, but I've tried both and failed |
| 04:14.18 | JairunCaloth | hrm, dhclient could be battleing it out with wicd... |
| 04:14.30 | Jayro | wols, do u know it? |
| 04:16.05 | Jayro | ahh its xev |
| 04:16.50 | wols | Jayro: as I told you above: "stuff like xev or such can then probably convert it to keyboard input" |
| 04:17.06 | Jayro | right.. |
| 04:17.41 | Jayro | could u maybe walk me thru it? |
| 04:18.22 | wols | Jayro: imwheel supposedly might do it. and no I can't walk you through it |
| 04:19.10 | wols | you might have to set your ps3 controller to press "high numbered" mouse buttons. e.g. if you use moues button 4 and 5 your normal mousewheel might suddenly press keys. not good |
| 04:19.38 | wols | ,info imwheel |
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| 04:19.39 | judd | Package imwheel (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: program to support non-standard buttons on mice in Linux. Version: 1.0.0pre12-9; Size: 66.9k; Installed: 180k; Homepage: http://imwheel.sourceforge.net |
| 04:20.03 | wols | Jayro: it is a very jury rigged thing I guess, but ultimately, it should work. keyword: shoult :P |
| 04:20.06 | Jayro | ughh this is confusing |
| 04:20.10 | wols | *should |
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| 05:02.25 | Jayro | wols, i installed a program called wiican, for using my wiimote, i tell it i want to conenct, then i get a notification saying press 1+2 to put the wiimote in doscovery mode, but then nothing happens. |
| 05:02.34 | Jayro | lswm |
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| 05:13.01 | uacaman | I can't "chmod +x" within my usb key. How to do so? |
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| 05:14.29 | somiaj | uacaman: format it with a file system that has actual unix bits in it |
| 05:14.33 | wols | uacaman: check if the usb key is mounted "noexec" with "mount" |
| 05:14.56 | somiaj | uacaman: most likely its using vfat -- you can mount it to exec files or set its options with umask,dmask,fmask in the mount options |
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| 05:16.07 | uacaman | hmm, i see, that'll mimic the unix bits you said? |
| 05:16.36 | somiaj | uacaman: when vfat is mounted it sets all the bits for all files and directories the same, this can be set with the mask options. |
| 05:17.10 | somiaj | uacaman: but by default usually umask = 002 or 022 so you should have execut rights unless its mounted as noexec -- which some cdroms/usb drievs will be by default |
| 05:17.23 | somiaj | uacaman: so follow wols device first, and add the exec option |
| 05:17.24 | uacaman | somiaj: ah, ok, cause it doesn't have per-file permissions |
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| 05:17.40 | somiaj | uacaman: yea vfat doens't have any file primisions, so the vfat driver minimics them |
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| 05:18.39 | uacaman | somiaj, wols: thanks, will do :) |
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| 05:21.01 | uacaman | btw, on the same line of thought, what is better for a shared partition between windows and linux? ntfs + ntfs-3g, ext3 with ext3 drivers or plain fat32? |
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| 05:22.41 | wols | i'd usse ntfs |
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| 05:32.04 | rypervenche | I would like to remove all of the packages beginning with "nvidia-" how can I do that in one fell swoop with aptitude? |
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| 05:32.20 | rypervenche | sudo aptitude remove nvidia-* doesn't work. |
| 05:32.26 | uacaman | wols: that's probably best, windows stuff are always buggy after all, lol, ty again |
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| 05:33.03 | uacaman | rypervenche: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-* (i guess) |
| 05:33.18 | rww | rypervenche: sudo aptitude remove ~i~n^nvidia- |
| 05:33.32 | rypervenche | rww: Thank you. |
| 05:33.45 | Jayro | wols, could you look at this, http://abstrakraft.org/cwiid/wiki/wminput and try to tell me what i need to put in the cofing file for the buttons to call key events on my keyboard? |
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| 05:35.17 | Jayro | wols, like.. what exactly is a "key/button symbol" ? |
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| 05:44.58 | trix`G | Hello, I'm trying to install Debian, and the installer is asking for the firmware for my wifi (it's nonfree) and says to insert removable media containing it. I downloaded it, put it on USB stick, insert stick, click Yes on installer, and it goes back to the question. I tried mounting the USB stick to /media/usb, THEN clicking Yes, but that changes nothing. |
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| 05:45.12 | trix`G | Is there a way to tell the installer where to look? |
| 05:45.27 | trix`G | Or, a place to put the file so the installer will find it? |
| 05:46.22 | epsilon | can't you just use ethernet cable, or compatible wlan-usb stick? |
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| 05:46.31 | wols | either use a installer with that firmware already present, or ignore it right now and fix it later |
| 05:46.46 | wols | alternatively the install guide might have a section about it |
| 05:48.56 | trix`G | epsilon: Have neither. wols: Yeah, I guess I'll just fix it later. I hope it's not too much of a PITA, though. |
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| 05:49.56 | wols | no. /msg dpkg firmware. you will need non-free repos and install a .deb from there usually |
| 05:51.03 | trix`G | ok, thank you |
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| 05:53.37 | wols | trix`G: which usb wlan chip is it? |
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| 05:54.41 | trix`G | wols: It's not USB, it's a built in iwlwifi laptop chip |
| 05:55.06 | brah | I'm trying to set up dual screens using an Nvidia card. What would be the best way? |
| 05:55.21 | brah | Right now I have two screens which i can travel across using my mouse, but one of them doesn't show anything. |
| 05:55.47 | trix`G | iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode is the file the installer wants, and http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download is the page google led me to |
| 05:58.04 | wols | ah so no usb :) intel wifi is good :) |
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| 06:17.31 | pandrew | has anyone experienced changing processors? my /proc/cpuinfo a week ago: model name : AMD Sempron(TM) 2500+;cpu MHz : 1749.642 NOW: model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 1600+; cpu MHz : 1050.037 |
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| 06:18.29 | pandrew | the bios now also detects athlon xp. I don't remember what the bios used to detect, but the cpuinfo was definitely different |
| 06:18.59 | pandrew | also now it can _only_ boot with 10.5 multiplyer @ 100mhz |
| 06:19.29 | wols | pandrew: that is usually a BIOS setting. change back to 133 MHz otr whatever |
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| 06:19.57 | pandrew | wols: yeah, i know, it just doesn't boot that way |
| 06:20.11 | wols | if it doesn't, you have a hardware problem :( |
| 06:20.31 | pandrew | what is the most interesting is that the /proc/cpuinfo model name changed |
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| 06:21.06 | wols | sempron 2500+ is an athlon xp thoroughbred btw. just different naming |
| 06:21.34 | wols | the sempron runs at 166MHz FSB, and the athlon at 133 or less... |
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| 06:23.47 | pandrew | i'm gonna try again with 133mhz |
| 06:23.54 | pandrew | but it didn't work the last time |
| 06:23.58 | pandrew | only with 100 |
| 06:24.02 | pandrew | brb |
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| 06:32.14 | initself | i have a file in /usr/local/sbin that is 775 |
| 06:32.24 | initself | wouldn't that allow any user to run it if they were in that group? |
| 06:32.49 | initself | they could type the filename from any directory? |
| 06:34.04 | Bushmills | yes. but file permissions are not the only thing determining what a program can do when a user runs it |
| 06:34.21 | initself | Bushmills: it's just not registering autocomplete |
| 06:34.31 | initself | i expected it to autocomplete |
| 06:34.35 | Bushmills | because sbin dirs are not in the PATH |
| 06:34.41 | initself | ah, that's it |
| 06:35.19 | initself | Bushmills++ |
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| 06:38.23 | pandrew | well it occasionally boots with 133mhz |
| 06:39.21 | pandrew | it'd be interesting to see if I manage to boot it at 166, will it change the model name in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 06:39.56 | pandrew | the time for an upgrade is really close :) |
| 06:40.15 | pandrew | wols: ^ |
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| 06:56.14 | wols | pandrew: probably caps or such |
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| 07:03.55 | eagles0513875 | hey gusy |
| 07:04.10 | eagles0513875 | is there a way i can use the internet tethering that my phone has to access teh internet |
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| 07:06.34 | wols | depends on the phone. usually yes, but might not be easy |
| 07:06.55 | wols | often using pppd |
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| 07:10.08 | eagles0513875 | wols: its an htc desire hd |
| 07:10.11 | eagles0513875 | connected to works wifi |
| 07:10.31 | eagles0513875 | im wanting to do a kernel recompile but it seems im missing a few dependencies i need before i compile it |
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| 07:11.50 | eagles0513875 | wols: this morning i tried to access synaptic and i put in the password i use with sudo but i couldnt get in for some reason is there another admin password by default |
| 07:12.58 | wols | there is a root password |
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| 07:18.34 | eagles0513875 | i didnt set it wols cuz it said in the installer that if you dont set it sudo would be used |
| 07:19.01 | eagles0513875 | and i tried without the root password and its not letting me into synaptic |
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| 07:20.27 | eagles0513875 | ugh work sucks |
| 07:20.51 | wols | eagles0513875: what debian do you use? |
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| 07:20.55 | eagles0513875 | squeeze wolfric |
| 07:20.57 | eagles0513875 | wols: |
| 07:21.27 | wols | you sure you don't use something based on debian? |
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| 07:22.10 | eagles0513875 | wols: im sure |
| 07:22.35 | wols | and I am sure squeeze installed doesn't do what you said about sudo |
| 07:22.51 | wols | so better go to your distro's channel |
| 07:22.53 | eagles0513875 | wols: it said on the installer that if you dont enter a root password sudo will be used |
| 07:22.58 | eagles0513875 | wols: im in it |
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| 07:23.09 | eagles0513875 | im not lying i installed debian squeeze yesterday |
| 07:23.11 | eagles0513875 | on my netbook |
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| 07:25.08 | wols | hamlet act3 scene 2: The lady doth protest too much, methinks |
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| 07:28.58 | eagles0513875 | lol wols |
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| 07:37.57 | tml1218 | studip question but can you use gnome 3 in debian |
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| 07:38.56 | wols | !gnome3 |
| 07:38.56 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 07:39.16 | wols | basically: if you have to ask, then no |
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| 07:39.48 | tml1218 | well i had it on suse.. just wondering |
| 07:39.59 | tml1218 | havent used debian |
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| 07:41.53 | boudiccas | is anybody using the machine update script from linux counter please? i need help with setting up the email to go out,sendmail refuses to send it. i've just tried to /join #sendmail without success, and no error messages generated |
| 07:41.56 | tml1218 | hey sylar are you coming out with any new heroes episodes |
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| 07:43.53 | wols | boudiccas: are you sure you are using sendmail, and if yes, why do you use it? |
| 07:44.59 | boudiccas | wols; looking at the email that failed to send it said 'sendmail', and the machine-update script has sendmail programmed into it |
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| 07:48.44 | Ivan_The_Terribl | Hey guys, does anyone knows what exactly should i modify to enable a particluar lib in php, I mean I have 3 php.ini files in /etc/php5/ |
| 07:49.08 | Ivan_The_Terribl | /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini /etc/php5/conf.d/php.ini |
| 07:49.21 | Ivan_The_Terribl | What's the right file to modify? |
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| 07:51.31 | wols | boudiccas: every MTA on debian has a sendmail binary. doesn't mean sendmail is installed |
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| 07:52.16 | wols | boudiccas: I suggest looking at your mail log. postfix uses mail.log, the debian default exim4 doesn't but I dunno hat it uses. I think /var/log/exim or such |
| 07:52.26 | Deathvalley122 | wols I would check your resources again on the install for Debian it does say that you don't have to enter in a root pass sudo takes over it |
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| 07:53.15 | wols | Ivan_The_Terribl: one is for php on the cli, one is for cgi and the third is for the apache php plugin. so it depends where you want this plugin to run |
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| 07:54.22 | boudiccas | wols; this is a line from the email ..... Mail program that sent this email: /usr/bin/mail |
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| 07:55.59 | calculon | When we'll see kde4.6 on Debian? |
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| 07:57.49 | martb | calculon: no later than 4.17pm on 24th August 2014. |
| 07:57.59 | calculon | ok :0 |
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| 07:59.14 | wols | ,versions kde |
| 07:59.15 | judd | Package kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 07:59.30 | calculon | i am on sid |
| 07:59.56 | calculon | mb i will build it myself? |
| 08:00.00 | calculon | ha? |
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| 08:00.22 | wols | well, you are on sid already... |
| 08:00.35 | tdn | Is there a tool for debian I can use to archive a website? It is a PHP blog that I retire. I would like to make a static HTML/CSS archive of the site before deleting it. Not sure how. |
| 08:00.53 | wols | wget |
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| 08:01.10 | calculon | wget --spider |
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| 08:01.48 | tdn | calculon, "When invoked with this option, Wget will behave as a Web spider, which means that it will not download the pages," |
| 08:01.51 | RoDuS | can some one help me with a couple dumb questions? |
| 08:02.07 | tdn | wols, can wget parse CSS/HTML and get referenced resources like images, stylesheets and the like? |
| 08:02.16 | tdn | RoDuS, just ask the question. |
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| 08:02.34 | RoDuS | k, ty. here goes, i'm try top word it rite |
| 08:02.48 | calculon | write script to make it automaticaly |
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| 08:03.23 | tdn | calculon, I was hoping for a tool that would do this. I figure it is a common task. That is why I asked if there was a tool for this. |
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| 08:04.14 | calculon | come on, it is simple script, you can make it easy |
| 08:04.15 | wols | yes it gets images and stylesheets. it has no javascript processor tho |
| 08:04.30 | RoDuS | i have a 1ghz arm processor, samsung fascinate i500 verizon smart phone. i believe android runs ontop of a linux kernel, is this correct? is this the same linux kernel debian uses? |
| 08:04.52 | wols | RoDuS: yes it's a linux kernel. but how is this debian related? |
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| 08:05.21 | RoDuS | oops, and does debian and/or android sit ontop of the kernel, or is it some how compiled with the gui/os |
| 08:05.27 | sug | http://www.pastie.org/2100291 |
| 08:05.38 | RoDuS | i want to replace android with debian arm |
| 08:05.41 | sug | :( what is this happen on my system ? |
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| 08:05.48 | tdn | wols, ok, I guess you just mean wget -m SITE? |
| 08:05.53 | wols | RoDuS: not possible |
| 08:06.05 | wols | RoDuS: or you cannot make phonecalls anymore |
| 08:06.17 | RoDuS | i believe the 1ghz arm would make an excellen umpc, with bluetooth kb and mousse of coarse |
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| 08:07.07 | sug | http://www.pastie.org/2100291 |
| 08:07.15 | wols | ah, tablet. still: the chance you are bricking the tablet is very very high. it's probably technically doable but since you have to ask about it, you probably can't. wait until someone has learned how to do it for your tablet and writes a howto |
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| 08:07.30 | sug | i dunno what is taht eroor ? |
| 08:07.48 | RoDuS | i dont want it for a phone, i didnt pay the bill, verizon locked me out, i have to use a back door code to bypass the verizon lockout every time i reboot. thats not a big deal, but i feel android is to young. debian is my favorite OS as far as linux goes, i would love to have a tiny debian box. |
| 08:08.00 | wols | !tell sug about bat |
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| 08:09.10 | RoDuS | i got a couple more debian related questions regarding arm powered devices, you got a minute? |
| 08:09.26 | RoDuS | i think there's a debian arm channel? |
| 08:09.49 | wols | !arm |
| 08:09.49 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:09.51 | wols | yes there is |
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| 08:10.41 | RoDuS | thank you very much, i'll head to the arm channel |
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| 08:12.45 | sug | apt-get/aptitude/dselect run |
| 08:13.08 | sug | whats that ? |
| 08:13.19 | wols | sug: that part you can skip. you already did that. your "apt-get install php5" |
| 08:13.48 | sug | wols i can install any thing ? |
| 08:13.52 | sug | what that bug ? |
| 08:14.05 | sug | plzz i am in first timerin debain |
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| 08:14.15 | wols | sug: we don't know until you follow the steps dpkg told you |
| 08:15.16 | sug | can't unserstan what that bot is telling me |
| 08:15.18 | wols | sug: for starters, the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 08:15.20 | sug | understand* |
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| 08:16.35 | sug | http://www.pastie.org/2100321 |
| 08:16.39 | sug | wols: ^ |
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| 08:17.07 | wols | !tell sug about squeeze sources.list |
| 08:17.43 | wols | sug: you lack the cdn line from the message dpkg sent you. and you can then remove the cdrom line from the sources.list |
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| 08:19.46 | wols | sug: you found your sources.list? you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:19.56 | mama | Hi! |
| 08:20.23 | mama | How can I make rsyncd be started only if openvpn has succesfully started? |
| 08:21.28 | wols | mama: in the rsyncd init script the required-start: line, add "$openvpn" |
| 08:22.17 | mama | wols, thanks! |
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| 08:23.46 | phorce1 | so, how long do y'all think 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb' will take on 250G drives (7200rpm, 8M cache, SATA)? |
| 08:24.04 | wols | very very long which is why you use a bigger blocksize :) |
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| 08:24.35 | wols | rule of thub: a smart long test which reads all sectors takes about 2 hours. it's the same ballpark for your hdds |
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| 08:26.47 | negaduck | hi! what is good filesystem commit interval? By default it's 5 seconds. 10 minutes it too much. 60 seconds? 30? |
| 08:26.56 | phorce1 | so, bs=? to reduce the time by what factor? |
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| 08:27.17 | sug | http://www.pastie.org/2100350 |
| 08:27.20 | sug | wols: ^ |
| 08:27.26 | phorce1 | 4096, 8192? |
| 08:27.40 | adv_ | why libapache2-mod-php5 does not have a mysql pdo driver? |
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| 08:28.13 | sug | ? |
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| 08:28.28 | sug | its my list is allright ? |
| 08:28.56 | adv_ | nv, |
| 08:28.58 | adv_ | nvm |
| 08:29.04 | wols | sug: you need to add the line "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" to your sources.list you pasted. and you need to put a "#" in front of the cdrom... line |
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| 08:29.58 | wols | sug: and line 16 and 17 are wrong (and they are duplicates of the lines above anyways). remove them |
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| 08:30.14 | jelly-home | bluegene: install sysfsutils, use /etc/sysfs.conf |
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| 08:30.57 | wols | sug: the mysql pdo access is in package php5-mysql |
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| 08:31.52 | karthick87 | How to get logs for a particular webpage visit? |
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| 08:32.23 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:34.10 | EM03 | how can i search a directory and every file for a string of code? |
| 08:34.17 | EM03 | li know i have to use grep |
| 08:34.35 | jaakkos | grep -R <string> <dir> |
| 08:34.38 | wols | grep -r <string> /path/to/directory |
| 08:34.45 | rozie | EM03: grep is good |
| 08:34.56 | EM03 | what if i dont use a dir? |
| 08:34.59 | EM03 | can I use . ? |
| 08:35.05 | jw013 | . is a dir |
| 08:35.06 | jaakkos | yes |
| 08:35.07 | rozie | take a look on manual, especially -r -R -i options |
| 08:35.16 | EM03 | hmm |
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| 08:36.29 | negaduck | is it good idea to set noatime for all partitions including /, /var, /tmp? |
| 08:37.26 | karthick87 | wols: Is it possible to get logs for a webpage visit? |
| 08:37.33 | joltcan | negaduck: depends, if its just you on that system, go ahead. If it's multiuser, then you might want to know when they were accessed |
| 08:37.38 | wols | karthick87: yes |
| 08:37.47 | karthick87 | wols: how? |
| 08:37.57 | wols | karthick87: you didn't give enough information to answer that |
| 08:38.18 | wols | joltcan: even as the single use you might want to know |
| 08:38.21 | wols | *user |
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| 08:38.33 | jw013 | negaduck: the mount manpage mentions noatime can break mutt and other apps that depend on atime updates |
| 08:38.47 | joltcan | wols: or you might want speed? |
| 08:38.56 | wols | negaduck: two reasons for noatime: using a SSD or a little more speed for the filesystem. 2nd reason is mostly bogus |
| 08:39.15 | karthick87 | wols: For example i am getting logged into GMAIL, is it possible to get logs for that login? |
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| 08:39.23 | jw013 | there's always relatime if you want to compromise |
| 08:39.31 | wols | karthick87: only if your browser keeps a history |
| 08:39.35 | negaduck | ok. thanks, guys |
| 08:40.34 | wols | joltcan: of course with some things, e.g. many many little files or such the speed increase can be big. but such people rarely ask questions like this. they already know about it :) |
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| 08:41.25 | karthick87 | wols: my browser keeps history, but where the logs will be stored? |
| 08:41.40 | wols | karthick87: somewhere in your ~. depends on the browser |
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| 08:43.37 | sug | wols: where is menu.lst in /boot/grub ? |
| 08:43.41 | karthick87 | wols: i have searched inside .mozilla but no logs there.. |
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| 08:45.09 | wols | karthick87: they are there. in a big file as a sqlite database or such tho |
| 08:45.40 | wols | sug: nowhere. debian uses grub2, it's now called "grub.cfg" and you shouldn't edit it directoy. see /etc/grub/rules |
| 08:45.58 | negaduck | sug: look at /etc/default/grub |
| 08:46.07 | wols | sug: anytime you run update-grub or install a new kernel, grub.cfg gets recreated automatically from the aboev scripts |
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| 08:46.37 | sug | hmm that's bad |
| 08:46.45 | sug | grub2 is not awesome |
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| 08:47.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | it does say in large letters in that file not to edit it... |
| 08:49.00 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: as if that had every stopped anyone |
| 08:49.09 | wols | *ever |
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| 08:50.29 | negaduck | wols: what about commit=30 in fstab for /, /var, /tmp? |
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| 08:50.50 | negaduck | et |
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| 08:51.01 | negaduck | s/et/etc |
| 08:53.03 | wols | what does commit do? |
| 08:54.15 | karthick87 | wols: Is it possible to get the logs using grep command? |
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| 08:54.25 | White_R | hi! I'd like to install debian testing (now i'm on lenny), but I'm pretty sure that then I'll lose the ability to use fglrx and I'll be forced to the free radeon driver because I have an old ati x600 (r300 chip); will I keep 3D acceleration as http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo says? thanks :-) |
| 08:54.51 | wols | karthick87: it's a binary database afaik. so no |
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| 08:55.20 | wols | White_R: sure it can. and to get to testing you have to upgrade to squeeze first and then to testing |
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| 08:55.32 | wols | tho there is no real need for you to run testing normally |
| 08:56.19 | White_R | wols: thanks. I'm not goin to upgrade, I'll make a fresh install. (I like the smell of freshly installed napalm in the morning) |
| 08:57.02 | wols | White_R: that's not the debian way! we are proud of our debian installed sometime in 2000 and continously upgraded since then and still running fine :P |
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| 08:57.41 | White_R | wols: about the need for running testing, try playing a bit with various SIP/XMPP clients, trying to place video calls, and you'll find that sqeeze is not up-to-date enough (still, I've never used a distro different from debian...) |
| 08:58.02 | wols | !tell White_R about ssb |
| 08:58.03 | wols | :P |
| 08:58.41 | White_R | wols: :-) thanks! |
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| 09:00.33 | White_R | wols: yes, compiling is the way; that's why I like testing: no need to compile an up-to-date package. Yes, I'm too lazy... |
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| 09:01.08 | maciek | hi, apt-get said me taht php5-fpm does not exist in repo, why? Month ago it was :s |
| 09:01.25 | wols | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 09:01.26 | judd | Package php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.3.6-12; wheezy: 5.3.6-12 |
| 09:01.38 | wols | it was there a month ago, it still is |
| 09:02.08 | maciek | E: Unable to locate package php5-fpm |
| 09:03.15 | maciek | maybe I'm using some kind of "stable" version of Debian :s |
| 09:04.29 | wols | maciek: lsb_release -a will tell |
| 09:04.40 | maciek | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1 (squeeze) |
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| 09:05.26 | wols | now you know why it's not there. but it wasn't there a month ago either |
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| 09:06.37 | maciek | wols: yes, that was other box, but still Debian :p |
| 09:06.51 | maciek | wols: so, how can I install php5pfm or upgrade debian to latest version? |
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| 09:07.33 | wols | squeeze is the latest version |
| 09:07.38 | wols | ,versions php5 |
| 09:07.40 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny10; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.6-12; wheezy: 5.3.6-12 |
| 09:08.06 | wols | maciek: you could try and backport |
| 09:08.22 | tawtaw | hi i just got an alert saying that i have too many database connections to my external database. I would like to know how i can see these database connections :) i think netstat should work but im not sure how to see "all the database connections", i am not sure about what port the database is running on. i am trying to figure out why there are so many connections. thanks |
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| 09:09.55 | maciek | wols: php5 will install apache too, but I dont want apache. I want nginx and php-fpm :s |
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| 09:10.34 | wols | maciek: is nginx already installed? |
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| 09:11.11 | maciek | wols: yes. |
| 09:11.30 | wols | maciek: simply install php5-fpm. if you do a apt-cache depends php5 you see how it depends on either the apache mod, cgi php5, or fpm php5 |
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| 09:12.06 | wols | the apache one is first and thus it gets installed first it seems if nothing else is chosen so far |
| 09:12.58 | maciek | libapache, libapache.., php5-cgi, php5-common |
| 09:13.03 | maciek | there are no php5-fpm |
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| 09:13.19 | wols | cause you run squeeze. there is no fpm in squeeze as we already established |
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| 09:14.11 | maciek | ok, so how to downagre system to version.. to version where I can normally install php-fpm |
| 09:14.17 | maciek | downgrade* |
| 09:15.22 | wols | it's not a downgrade |
| 09:15.30 | wols | !wheezy |
| 09:15.30 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 09:16.21 | maciek | damn.. I must go now, bbs. |
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| 09:16.33 | tawtaw | bulitin board system |
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| 09:29.57 | sephii | I did a d-u yesterday and Lightning for Icedove stopped working :Â I can't add any new calendar (option grayed out) |
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| 09:39.19 | negaduck | excuse me, can't find a channel for ssh. My question: if i logged in a remote machine. How to copy a file from there? I know about scp, but i need to enter password again and give the file path to it. Is it possible to copy a file inside my ssh session? |
| 09:41.10 | ksk | its #openssh. if you use priv/pubkey auth and have the one in your keyring you can to tab completion from client |
| 09:41.39 | ompaul | you go to the machine that is a client and you scp user@farbox:/path/to/file/but/if/in/users/home/just/use/relative/path/from/dots . < the dot is where it will land (local directory and no < ) that is what you do - if you want to use keys that is ok too |
| 09:41.41 | jham | to avoid typing in passwords you could use ssh key pairs |
| 09:41.41 | jw013 | negaduck: not that I know of but there are alternatives to not having to type a password again |
| 09:41.54 | jham | oops, too late |
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| 09:42.58 | jw013 | connection multiplexing with ControlMaster might work too |
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| 09:44.31 | negaduck | ok, thanks, guys |
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| 10:13.11 | prodigel | hi all. I've just a colud server image based on debian 5(the only choice my cloud provider offers for debian), which I think it's rather old. Is debian 6 stable enough to be used for a production server? |
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| 10:13.50 | petemc | prodigel: yes |
| 10:14.09 | petemc | debian 6 is the current stable release |
| 10:14.23 | prodigel | petemc, so, you would recommend to upgrade the distro version? |
| 10:14.48 | petemc | only if your provider supports it |
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| 10:18.03 | mikunos | hi guys I have 2 servers and I'd like to create a backup of all the OS in another server located in the same network |
| 10:18.11 | wm4 | from debian stable, which kernel package should I use? would linux-image-2.6-686 for example be fine? because it seems a bit old (no updates for half a year) |
| 10:18.17 | mikunos | I'm using RSync but I get this error: |
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| 10:18.46 | mikunos | http://pastie.org/2100720 |
| 10:19.04 | mikunos | I am sure that RSync is installed |
| 10:19.16 | wm4 | oh, I just saw linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is the actual package |
| 10:19.19 | mikunos | so why I get this error? |
| 10:19.21 | wols | wm4: yes it's fine |
| 10:20.23 | wols | mikunos: ls -l /usr/bin/rsync |
| 10:20.24 | wm4 | now the only question is how well does that work when most other packages are from unstable |
| 10:20.50 | mikunos | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 319372 6 gen 2007 /usr/bin/rsync |
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| 10:21.12 | wols | wm4: squeeze kernel in unstable will work. if only "most packages" are from unstablle you will have a very shitty debian experience. mixing debian branches is a quick way to hell |
| 10:22.08 | wm4 | wols: well, the kernel package and accompanying packages will be from stable (obviously), while all the rest (including some kernel related packages like nvidia-glx) are from unstable |
| 10:22.50 | wm4 | I'm fine with unstable, I just don't want a kernel that eats my harddisk and has remote code execution bugs (worst case scenario) |
| 10:23.13 | mikunos | wols any idea? |
| 10:24.21 | wols | mikunos: no. maybe something on the remote end. dunno |
| 10:25.33 | mikunos | wols Does RSync must be installed in the remote server? |
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| 10:32.41 | Jckf | My Debian box hadn't been restarted since 2.6.26-1 and is now panicing on 2.6.38-2. The only way to make it boot is using 2.6.26-1 recovery mode. Anything else makes the screen go bezerk with flickering and whatnot |
| 10:33.19 | wols | Jckf: udev version? firmwares if needed installed (e.g. radeon firmware)? |
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| 10:33.38 | Jckf | How do I check? |
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| 10:34.03 | wols | !testing |
| 10:34.03 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 10:41.00 | tuxcrafter | does somebody know a way to disable a sata port from the os |
| 10:41.05 | tuxcrafter | i got a failty drive |
| 10:41.16 | tuxcrafter | and dont want to go there to take the drive out |
| 10:41.51 | jelly-home | tuxcrafter: echo 1 >> /sys/block/sdX/device/delete will try to shutdown the device |
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| 10:43.51 | Jckf | wols: "udevd --version" reports 167 |
| 10:44.08 | jelly-home | mikunos: yeah, you need rsync at both ends |
| 10:44.17 | mikunos | thanks |
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| 10:50.36 | wm4 | is there a way to automatically clean up all that config file crap in ~? |
| 10:50.47 | wols | wm4: no |
| 10:51.19 | tuxcrafter | jelly-home: thx! |
| 10:51.20 | wm4 | was an idea like this ever proposed: add a field to the package metadata that contains a list of config files typically created in the home directory of users |
| 10:51.32 | wm4 | then you could provide an automatic cleanup tool |
| 10:52.08 | Jckf | Pro-tip: Don't install a lot of junk |
| 10:52.38 | wm4 | I don't, but it piles up over the years |
| 10:52.51 | Jckf | Don't let it pile up then =P |
| 10:53.01 | wm4 | doesn't help that most "useful" popular programs actually _are_ junk (like gnome or KDE) |
| 10:53.10 | Jckf | Touche |
| 10:54.57 | Jckf | Ehm. How can my machine be running without udev? o_O |
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| 10:56.13 | negge | I managed to press some weird key combination and now I can't switch tabs in irssi using Alt+1-9 anymore, only with Alt+Left/Right. I think this has happened once before but I don't remember how to fix it. Does anyone here know? |
| 10:56.35 | negge | or actually I can switch to window #1 with Alt+1, but nothing else works |
| 10:56.35 | petemc | numlock ? |
| 10:56.46 | negge | petemc: it's on, I'm using putty by the way |
| 10:56.52 | wm4 | what's the repository for security updates in stable? |
| 10:57.08 | avheoz | negge: does esc-1 esc-2 work? |
| 10:57.20 | negge | avheoz: yes in fact it does |
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| 10:58.47 | ansgar | !tell wm4 about squeeze security |
| 10:58.58 | wm4 | thanks |
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| 11:11.33 | eshat | Ripping DVDs, what's the way to go? |
| 11:11.43 | eshat | I don't want to add dmm |
| 11:11.55 | eshat | and would like webm or other MKV format |
| 11:12.03 | eshat | is on sid |
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| 11:14.54 | jelly-home | eshat: if your media is DRM encumbered, you'll have to get libdvdcss _somehow_ (and the easier thing to do is dmm) |
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| 11:15.05 | eshat | jelly-home: I have it installed |
| 11:15.20 | eshat | through debian-maintainers, as VLC told me |
| 11:15.36 | jelly-home | what is debian-maintainers? |
| 11:15.58 | eshat | http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org/ |
| 11:16.14 | eshat | this is what /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/README.Debian suggests |
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| 11:16.55 | eshat | however, I can play DVDs now, but ripping ? |
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| 11:17.34 | wm4 | whatever you do, don't try mencoder |
| 11:20.00 | eshat | wm4: I prefer ffmpeg anyway |
| 11:20.33 | wm4 | for pure encoding, x264 is probably the way to go, but dunno what you'd use for the other stuff |
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| 11:21.45 | jelly-home | eshat: "Note: This repository will not be updated anymore." |
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| 11:21.51 | avheoz | you could just run ogmrip |
| 11:21.56 | avheoz | it does most of the magic for you |
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| 11:22.45 | wm4 | avheoz: does that use ogm in any way |
| 11:23.14 | eshat | avheoz: can't find that package |
| 11:23.30 | wm4 | "It relies on mplayer, mencoder, ogmtools, mkvtoolnix, oggenc, lame and faac to perform its tasks." |
| 11:23.31 | wm4 | haha |
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| 11:23.39 | wm4 | guess how many things on that list are shit |
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| 11:24.25 | avheoz | eshat: it's in debian-multimedia http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 11:24.32 | avheoz | wm4: what exactly do you hate about mencoder? |
| 11:24.41 | eshat | doesn't want to add debian-multimedia, |
| 11:24.44 | avheoz | wm4: it has a load of options and can be a bit of a pain to setup, but it works quite well |
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| 11:24.50 | eshat | I had some bad experince with it breaking VLC, etc. |
| 11:24.51 | wm4 | avheoz: I don't hate it, it's just that it's an unmaintained buggy piece of rotting code |
| 11:24.56 | avheoz | eshat: ah ok |
| 11:25.18 | avheoz | wm4: sure, it's a bit of a lava-flow development model, i'll give you that |
| 11:25.23 | eshat | well, as years ago multimedia on debian seem to be very annoying |
| 11:25.29 | wm4 | no, it's actually unmaintained |
| 11:25.32 | eshat | but that's not debians fault |
| 11:25.59 | eshat | When I clik convert DVD on VLC I get a segmentation fault :( |
| 11:26.01 | wm4 | oh, mplayer2 has an encoding solution as alternative to mencoder, but that's not merged yet |
| 11:26.28 | eshat | "arista - multimedia transcoder for the GNOME Desktop" |
| 11:26.37 | `Lynx | hello, I've recently installed Debian from the minimal cd image and all I've got is Xorg and Openbox installed. I've noticed there's no sound, also the images looks extremely bad (quality) - Specs: i3, intel gma 330x, etc. - ANY IDEAS? |
| 11:26.50 | wm4 | eshat: see http://www.mplayer2.org/ on the FAQ and https://github.com/divVerent/mplayer/wiki/Mplayer-uau-vo-lavc |
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| 11:27.08 | `Lynx | oh, i obviously got laptop utils and the basic software that ships with it aswell. |
| 11:27.10 | wm4 | eshat: so, if you can play it with mplayer2, it should be possible to encode its output... |
| 11:27.12 | avheoz | arista uses gstreamer right? |
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| 11:27.28 | avheoz | wm4: i'd love an encoder that uses the cuda x264 encoder |
| 11:27.35 | eshat | avheoz: seems so, at least it wants to install half of the gnome desktop to my KDE machine |
| 11:27.42 | avheoz | eshat: hurrah :/ |
| 11:27.44 | wm4 | x264 has a cuda encoder?? |
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| 11:27.57 | eshat | wm4: thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 11:28.20 | armetiz | I there, I'm looking for Debian 5 ISO.. On debian.org I can find only the v6.. Any idea ? |
| 11:28.30 | wm4 | eshat: don't know if it works, and you'll have to compile it yourself |
| 11:28.41 | eshat | wm4: hmmm, no time for that |
| 11:28.53 | wm4 | you're in a hurry? |
| 11:29.01 | JESUSELIFELET_ | Does anyone know of a proxy that works? |
| 11:29.06 | eshat | I just though that by now, this has been made more easy, than intensivly hack your tools together |
| 11:29.20 | AVRS | JESUSELIFELET_: and does what? |
| 11:29.46 | avheoz | wm4: well i've only used it through some hardcoded sample code but it seems to function The NVIDIA CUDA Video Encoder (NVCUVENC) API enables developers to efficiently process H.264 video encoding on NVIDIA GPUs with CUDA. It is compliant with AVC/H.264 (MPEGâ4 Part 10 AVC, |
| 11:29.51 | avheoz | ISO/IEC 14496â10). |
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| 11:30.08 | `Lynx | hi? |
| 11:30.13 | avheoz | wm4: it's part of the latest cuda sdk |
| 11:30.26 | wm4 | avheoz: and x264 supports that? |
| 11:30.35 | eshat | I'll check if kdenlive can help me |
| 11:30.56 | JESUSELIFELET_ | AVRS, an excuse for my not fluent in English language |
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| 11:31.29 | avheoz | wm4: no x264 does not, that was what i was asking for |
| 11:31.34 | AVRS | JESUSELIFELET_: what kind of proxy do you need? |
| 11:31.57 | rozie | eshat: easy way to rip dvd is OGMRip |
| 11:32.01 | JESUSELIFELET_ | AVRS, I want a proxy ip for my safety when navigating |
| 11:32.08 | eshat | rozie: we've had that |
| 11:32.08 | AVRS | Tor? |
| 11:32.30 | rozie | must have missed, sorry |
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| 11:33.29 | eshat | rozie: No problem |
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| 11:34.01 | JESUSELIFELET_ | AVRS, ip proxy no matter what country it's just work |
| 11:34.05 | wm4 | I don't really trust ogmrip's claim of using mencoder |
| 11:34.09 | wols | JESUSELIFELET_: what "safety"? |
| 11:34.12 | wm4 | that sounds like a really bad idea |
| 11:34.14 | `Lynx | can someone help me to get the sound to work? |
| 11:34.26 | `Lynx | forreal, I do need sound. |
| 11:34.38 | wols | !tell `Lynx about alsa checklist |
| 11:34.44 | `Lynx | alsa is installed |
| 11:34.50 | `Lynx | also alsamixer |
| 11:35.03 | nevyn | `Lynx: what's wrong wit hyour sound? |
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| 11:35.07 | AVRS | JESUSELIFELET_: what "safety"? |
| 11:35.15 | MrFrood | !alsactl |
| 11:35.15 | dpkg | In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device. |
| 11:35.34 | JESUSELIFELET_ | AVRS, to be safe when browsing web pages |
| 11:35.36 | `Lynx | nevyn: everything, theres no sound |
| 11:35.59 | wols | JESUSELIFELET_: safe from WHAT? |
| 11:36.15 | nevyn | `Lynx: is there more than one thing listed in /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 11:36.58 | AVRS | JESUSELIFELET_: if you use proxy, the proxy owner might read your passwords |
| 11:37.07 | `Lynx | yes nevyn |
| 11:37.20 | JESUSELIFELET_ | wols not to take advertising for example |
| 11:37.22 | nevyn | `Lynx: if there's more than one card please pastebin. |
| 11:37.26 | `Lynx | oh, wait, no. but there's two hda-intel |
| 11:37.33 | `Lynx | nevermind |
| 11:37.34 | wols | JESUSELIFELET_: install adblock into firefox and you are done |
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| 11:37.40 | `Lynx | it's just two outputs for an intel one |
| 11:37.56 | `Lynx | like hda-intel and below hda intel at 0xf600000 irq 22 |
| 11:37.57 | nevyn | `Lynx: that's probably ok. |
| 11:38.00 | nevyn | yeah |
| 11:38.19 | `Lynx | do you know what's going on with pictures aswell? |
| 11:38.24 | `Lynx | they're extremely bad |
| 11:38.28 | `Lynx | and it happens on debian only |
| 11:38.31 | `Lynx | both sound & picture problem |
| 11:39.17 | `Lynx | pictures looks like i need glasses, and i actually own a pair of them. i'm not sure if you getting it, they're bad. |
| 11:39.25 | `Lynx | em look completely bad |
| 11:39.26 | nevyn | wrong resolution? |
| 11:39.28 | wm4 | "pictures"?? |
| 11:39.35 | `Lynx | by picture word i mean every image |
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| 11:39.48 | JESUSELIFELET_ | AVRS, A proxy is insecure in reality? |
| 11:39.49 | `Lynx | i'm not sure if my res is wrong, since i dont know how to change it |
| 11:39.49 | nevyn | wm4: x configuration I figgure is what's ment |
| 11:40.04 | wm4 | `Lynx: do you have a CRT? |
| 11:40.11 | `Lynx | crt? |
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| 11:40.35 | wm4 | `Lynx: as opposed to a flat screen monitor |
| 11:40.41 | AVRS | JESUSELIFELET_: if you don't use encryption, the data goes unencrypted and can be simply read with a common program |
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| 11:40.51 | nevyn | `Lynx: what is your display hardware? is it like an old CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) or a flat screen monitor or a laptop screen? |
| 11:41.03 | `Lynx | laptop |
| 11:41.09 | `Lynx | it's a new sony vaio model |
| 11:41.15 | nevyn | oh it's new. |
| 11:41.30 | `Lynx | well, it's new @ my country, probably old everywhere else |
| 11:41.32 | nevyn | what's the video hardware? |
| 11:41.33 | wm4 | new laptop hardware... linux... |
| 11:41.38 | AVRS | JESUSELIFELET_: https is not necessarily strong enough |
| 11:41.40 | wm4 | that sounds like pain |
| 11:41.41 | nevyn | right. instafail but hey |
| 11:41.44 | daemon | hey all how do I alter packages before installing them; I am trying to install erlang but unlike my other systems on debian it seems to want to drag in an insane amount of deps; like java and X11 |
| 11:41.45 | `Lynx | intel gma 330x (integraded to work with i3) |
| 11:41.55 | nevyn | ok that's got more hope than most |
| 11:42.02 | `Lynx | lol |
| 11:42.04 | `Lynx | y? |
| 11:42.04 | nevyn | it's not nvidia optimus or anything right. |
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| 11:42.19 | nevyn | intel actually employ a bunch of linux X hackers |
| 11:42.25 | `Lynx | i just want my images to look right, it hurt my eyes. |
| 11:42.29 | `Lynx | good |
| 11:42.30 | `Lynx | lol |
| 11:42.44 | wols | daemon: don't install recommends? |
| 11:42.49 | eshat | looks like k3b can encode DVDs but it needs transcode for that, which I can't find |
| 11:42.54 | JESUSELIFELET_ | AVRS, understand |
| 11:42.57 | wm4 | I don't think nvidia is worse than anything else on Linux |
| 11:42.58 | daemon | wols, ta |
| 11:43.16 | wm4 | eshat: wait, I thought you want to rip a DVD? |
| 11:43.22 | wols | wm4: then you need to think harder |
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| 11:43.38 | wm4 | wols: Linux nvidia support is excellent |
| 11:43.55 | wm4 | while I heard bad stuff about AMD and even Intel |
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| 11:43.57 | `Lynx | is there a way to fix this? do I need to install an external driver or something? (isnt the hardware supported by the kernel itself?) |
| 11:44.17 | wols | wm4: yes, so is broadcoms, ralinks and a bunch of others |
| 11:44.18 | JESUSELIFELET_ | AVRS, I'm going to do more research, not to make mistakes |
| 11:44.27 | daemon | wols, even without recommends its still trying to install X11 components |
| 11:44.29 | AVRS | JESUSELIFELET_: the proxy owner can also modify the pages, so it's worse concerning scripts etc |
| 11:44.34 | wm4 | `Lynx: maybe you should first make sure whether X uses the native laptop screen resolution |
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| 11:45.32 | `Lynx | wm4: it is [i think so], i'm initializing the visual desktop with startx (openbox) |
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| 11:46.13 | nevyn | support for nvidia hardware is improving but nowhere near intel. |
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| 11:46.24 | JESUSELIFELET_ | AVRS, I automatically own the ip proxy can spy on me? |
| 11:46.27 | wm4 | `Lynx: also, you're talking about the visual appearance of everything, not just text / fonts? |
| 11:46.48 | nevyn | wm4: nvidia optimus specifically is the 2 cards one framebuffer stuff that's not well supported. |
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| 11:47.00 | wols | nevyn: you mean like optimus? it's a given that in the future ALL hardware uses optimus. oh wait: there never will be a linux support for this. good times! |
| 11:47.13 | `Lynx | wm4: fonts and everything else is ok |
| 11:47.15 | nevyn | it will happen. |
| 11:47.15 | JESUSELIFELET_ | AVRS, I see it is not easy to use a proxy ip |
| 11:47.15 | `Lynx | wm4: images r ruined |
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| 11:47.21 | `Lynx | wm4: like picture of people |
| 11:47.22 | `Lynx | etc. |
| 11:47.26 | wm4 | wols: never? link? |
| 11:47.30 | wols | nevyn: with nouveau: sure. with nvidia? no |
| 11:48.17 | daemon | Hey all if I attempt to add a pacakg like thus: apt-get --no-install-recommends install erlang |
| 11:48.23 | daemon | and it is STILL dragging in optional components |
| 11:48.25 | daemon | what can I do about it |
| 11:48.58 | jelly-home | wols: why would desktop hardware even need to use optimus? |
| 11:49.08 | daemon | its basically dragging in Java and X11( with recommends( and X11 without recommends |
| 11:49.26 | `Lynx | cmon, is there a solution for it? |
| 11:49.29 | `Lynx | i can live without sound |
| 11:49.35 | `Lynx | but i can't with those horrid images |
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| 11:49.42 | wols | jelly-home: cause all of it will have integrated graphics. and power efficiency is not just a laptop thing anymore |
| 11:49.51 | nevyn | wols: nouveau is the nvidia support I was refering to. |
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| 11:50.43 | avheoz | well if it can't do opencl then i don't want it |
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| 11:51.03 | wols | jelly-home: and the way desktops (and discrete graphics in desktops) are going, they are a smaller and smaller minority too. no reason to do something special for them when it's only 20% of the market or less |
| 11:51.29 | JESUSELIFELET_ | AVRS, thanks for the info :) |
| 11:51.39 | AVRS | JESUSELIFELET_: no problem |
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| 11:53.17 | daemon | How do I remove optional and recommended components when installing via apt-get, apparently: 'apt-get --no-install-recommends --no-install-optional install erlang' there is no such option as --no-install-optional |
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| 11:54.05 | wm4 | daemon: are you sure these are optional? |
| 11:54.30 | daemon | wm4, I have 13 servers all have erlang compiled with no java or X11 support im 1200% sure |
| 11:54.36 | wm4 | daemon: ah maybe try erlang-base (not I know anything about the package) |
| 11:54.40 | daemon | this been the thirteenth server |
| 11:54.55 | wm4 | then check the list of installed packages on those other servers |
| 11:54.55 | daemon | ah cool did not spot that |
| 11:55.22 | daemon | wm4, X11 is not present what so ever its not even able to be installed I removed the X11/ X11-wm/ ports bases |
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| 11:55.42 | daemon | wm4, the other 12 servers are freebsd, this is the only linux/debian server |
| 11:56.04 | avheoz | daemon: there used to be erland-nox for that |
| 11:56.19 | wm4 | daemon: oh.. well, in that case it's probably possible that the debian maintainers fucked up |
| 11:56.21 | avheoz | daemon: (then again i may be confusing debian with ubuntu repositories :/) |
| 11:56.21 | daemon | ah ha perfect; thats the one |
| 11:56.24 | daemon | thank you avheoz |
| 11:56.32 | wm4 | in the worst case, you can still compile and install the source |
| 11:56.51 | daemon | wm4, avheoz was spot on :) |
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| 11:58.17 | `Lynx | hey, "alsactl init" returns unknown hardware hda-intel intel g45 devibx |
| 11:58.20 | `Lynx | :O |
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| 12:14.51 | xyzp | test |
| 12:15.08 | MrFrood | !test |
| 12:15.08 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 12:15.15 | MrFrood | :) |
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| 12:27.50 | sug | hi |
| 12:28.07 | sug | how can i add tint deamon on debian ? |
| 12:28.21 | sug | tint2 |
| 12:28.21 | sug | sorry |
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| 12:29.54 | sug | hello! |
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| 12:31.38 | sug | hello |
| 12:31.39 | sug | ~.~ |
| 12:31.46 | MrFrood | sug just add to .xinitrc or .xresources - if using a wm with an autostart file such as openbox add it there |
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| 12:33.04 | rgr | oh this is interesting. Apache start up fails because my HOME is ecrypt'ed. And Apache is symbolically linked to files in there. Now, how best to restart apcahe when I log in? Simply a a sudo restart in my own gnome autostarts I guess. |
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| 12:35.41 | abrotman | rgr: write a script that looks in the mtab? |
| 12:36.05 | wm4 | is there something other than uswsusp that I should use for software suspend? |
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| 12:37.15 | wols | wm4: you cannot use that. it's not in squeeze |
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| 12:37.27 | wm4 | wols: what? |
| 12:37.44 | wm4 | why can't I use it? I have it installed |
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| 12:37.57 | wols | !uswsusp |
| 12:37.57 | dpkg | Squeeze users: remove the uswsusp package and use pm-hibernate/pm-suspend from the pm-utils package instead. In lenny, uswsusp was a package for userspace software <suspend>, including the s2ram and s2disk programs. Use of <initramfs> is required. Not available for Squeeze due to Debian bugs #498917, #503337, #521147, #528483. http://suspend.sf.net/ |
| 12:38.03 | wols | ,versions uswsusp |
| 12:38.05 | judd | Package uswsusp on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-1.2; sid: 1.0-1 |
| 12:38.08 | wm4 | interesting |
| 12:38.18 | wols | you should use pm-utils I guess |
| 12:38.18 | Zopieux | c'est quoi le plus rapide entre samba et scp ? |
| 12:38.19 | wm4 | because a newer uswsusp function stopped working for me |
| 12:38.28 | abrotman | !fr |
| 12:38.28 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 12:38.29 | wm4 | so I was using an older version of the package |
| 12:38.42 | abrotman | Zopieux: but probably samba |
| 12:39.14 | abrotman | Zopieux: on a LAN anyway ... |
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| 12:39.28 | Zopieux | sorry, wrong channel, question was: "what is the fastest protocol between scp and samba on a local network" |
| 12:39.41 | negge | is anyone here good with ipv6? |
| 12:39.43 | abrotman | is pretty sure the french bit said nothing about local network :) |
| 12:39.58 | Zopieux | indeed |
| 12:39.58 | Digdilem | r, samba Zambezi. but do some tests and see for yourself |
| 12:40.07 | wols | abrotman: scp should be faster with null encryption no? just not as comfortable |
| 12:40.11 | Zopieux | ok Digdilem |
| 12:40.26 | abrotman | wols: maybe .. not sure how much overhead there would be .. |
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| 12:40.31 | Digdilem | samba's faster than nfs whenever i've tested it |
| 12:40.43 | nevyn | Digdilem: really? |
| 12:40.51 | Digdilem | r. big files, mind. |
| 12:41.00 | Digdilem | and not particularly technical tests |
| 12:41.01 | nevyn | !slowest prototcol on gods earth |
| 12:41.19 | abrotman | nevyn: netware? :) |
| 12:41.31 | nevyn | abrotman: used to be samba |
| 12:43.42 | wols | isn't smb the most chatty protocol on earth? or has this been fixed now with cifs? |
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| 12:45.33 | AdvoWork | this may be random, but on my one debian server, how can i find out if/what firewall is running? |
| 12:46.10 | wols | iptables -L. there is only one packetfilter in existence |
| 12:46.21 | deepa | make a blocking rule and see if it's enforced? |
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| 12:48.20 | negge | can anyone tell me this: if I want to have a router with lets say 10 computers connected to it, do I need to have one /64 for the router itself and another /64 for the clients (this is using IPv6 of course)? I have Googled for hours on how to set up an IPv6 router but every single guide out there assumes you use a tunnel with gives you one /64 for the router<->tunnel connection and another /64 you actually use on your comptuers |
| 12:48.48 | wols | negge: #networking ? |
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| 12:48.57 | negge | wols: yeah but it's dead most of hte time |
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| 12:49.05 | wols | !they don't know |
| 12:49.05 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:49.24 | negge | okay I'll ask there instead |
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| 12:51.30 | JyZyXEL | how do you control default chmod's ? |
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| 12:51.38 | wols | what is a default chmod? |
| 12:52.04 | JyZyXEL | like if you "touch testfile" |
| 12:52.07 | petn-randall | Hi, is there possibility to pin packages by their source name? A collegue backported gcc-4.6 for squeeze and I want to pin the squeeze version of gcc. |
| 12:52.13 | themill | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about umask |
| 12:52.14 | JyZyXEL | the permission thats given to the file |
| 12:52.15 | wols | umask normally |
| 12:52.54 | wols | petn-randall: what's the pin supposed to accomplish? |
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| 12:54.10 | JyZyXEL | another thing i wonder is if your home directory is 770 and you make a file inside your home with permissions 777, can those files be used by anyone if they know the path? |
| 12:54.35 | rozie | petn-randall: do you know man apt_prreferences? if so, what do you need what is not described there? |
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| 12:54.50 | rozie | s/apt_prreferences/apt_preferences |
| 12:54.56 | petn-randall | wols: I don't want to upgrade from gcc 4.4 to 4.6 on our squeeze systems. Unfortunately, I do want to track other stuff from our local repo, so I can't just pin down the whole repo |
| 12:55.37 | wols | gcc is a bit different from other packages. you can have gcc 4.3 to 4.6 all installed in parallel |
| 12:55.38 | rozie | short answer: yes you can adjust score only for given package |
| 12:55.42 | petn-randall | and I was hoping that there is some way to pin all binary packages which come from a certain *source* package. |
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| 12:56.26 | rozie | but why source? binary names are different too IIRC |
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| 12:57.51 | petn-randall | rozie: Yeah, I check apt_preferences. Most binary packages have different names, though things like 'libgcc1' are the same. |
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| 12:58.15 | petn-randall | s/check/checked/ |
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| 13:04.49 | petn-randall | Maybe I should re-phrase my question: Is it possible to pin binary packages by the name of the source package they come from? |
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| 13:08.01 | deliria | Hey, when another program which uses sound is open mpd fails to play, and gives the following error message: output: Failed to open "My ALSA Device" [alsa]: Failed to open ALSA device "hw:0,0": Device or resource busy |
| 13:08.06 | deliria | player_thread: problems opening audio device while playing "<snip>.mp3" |
| 13:08.12 | deliria | Any idea how to fix that? It happens, for example, after I finish watching a video in youtube and the tab is still open, or when mplayer is paused |
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| 13:12.02 | Merwin_ | Hi ! I have to migrate users/home/passwords from a debian server to an Ubuntu server. Is there some script or tools to handle this easily ? |
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| 13:13.29 | cj101 | hi, can anyone please remind my where the file is that controls what host my box is please? |
| 13:13.58 | petemc | cj101: /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 13:14.00 | wols | Merwin_: just copy over the shadow file? |
| 13:14.19 | cj101 | thanks |
| 13:14.20 | wols | and /etc/mailname for mail |
| 13:14.47 | Merwin_ | wols: It won't keep uids |
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| 13:15.04 | aguitel | how install libreoffice in squeeze ? |
| 13:15.21 | wols | Merwin_: then only keep the password has and salt |
| 13:15.29 | wols | !libreoffice |
| 13:15.30 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is currently packaged in <testing>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. |
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| 13:16.02 | cj101 | for some reason i cant get to my box using the domain ive given it, the a record on the dns server is set up, but it wont link through, any ideas? |
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| 13:16.15 | rocketmagnet | hi folks |
| 13:16.27 | sergs | hi, how do i disable address resolution in user level? it causes bottleneck in my libpcap -based application |
| 13:16.38 | sergs | ie, tcpdump -n works fine yet tcpdump works really slow |
| 13:16.58 | rocketmagnet | i have a problem - i've installed debian without any troubles and the first few starts went fine, but now when i tr yto start i only get a black screen, how can i find out what's the problem ? |
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| 13:17.12 | wols | sergs: why not just use tcpdump -n then? |
| 13:17.18 | rocketmagnet | ican start i single user mode, dmeg doesn't show me something interessting |
| 13:17.30 | sergs | wols: i need to do it under libpcap |
| 13:17.39 | cj101 | i can get to the website running on it if i use the ip address but not the name, nslookup in cmd shows me the correct ip so i know thats set up ok, it must be something im missing on the box |
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| 13:24.16 | Hau_MI | has someone hpasm installed on debian lenny? |
| 13:24.22 | joe6 | anyone knows more about how to fix this: http://sprunge.us/RQea |
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| 13:24.37 | joe6 | aptitude upgrade fails |
| 13:24.53 | Hau_MI | http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=4091412&prodNameId=4091432&swEnvOID=4092&swLang=8&mode=2&taskId=135&swItem=MTX-aa33f3378fc04981981e73c5a6 |
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| 13:30.16 | abrotman | joe6: we need way more output than that |
| 13:30.36 | joe6 | abrotman, ok. |
| 13:30.42 | abrotman | joe6: give us the full output of 'aptitude update;aptitude upgrade' |
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| 13:30.49 | joe6 | abrotman: apt-get seems to work fine. |
| 13:31.00 | joe6 | abrotman, ok, will do |
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| 13:31.30 | cj101 | vi doesnt seem to work properly, how do i insert? |
| 13:31.48 | petemc | press esc then i |
| 13:31.56 | shalok | Why do many applications not appear in the gnome menu? I've run across this problem many times but right now I'm noticing ktorrent and the xdg-screensaver icons are missing? |
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| 13:32.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | shalok: xdg-screensaver has no .desktop file |
| 13:33.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | shalok: and ktorrent is probbly marked kde only in its l.desktop file |
| 13:33.35 | shalok | Kamping_Kaiser, there are several icons that appear for xdg-screensaver in the debian menu |
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| 13:33.49 | cj101 | petemc, doesnt work |
| 13:33.50 | shalok | Kamping_Kaiser, ktorrent also appears in the debian menu |
| 13:34.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | shalok: which doesn't use .desktop files |
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| 13:34.41 | shalok | Kamping_Kaiser, I see... but ktorrent doesn't seem to have a KDE only entry in the .desktop |
| 13:35.27 | shalok | However I notice all the kde .desktop are in a separate folder. Maybe that whole folder is not included for gnome. |
| 13:35.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | shalok: quite possible. i don't use kde apps, i don't really know |
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| 13:36.26 | shalok | Kamping_Kaiser, Dare I even ask where the debian menu gets it's contents from if not .desktop files? |
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| 13:37.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | shalok: 'menu' files |
| 13:37.18 | cj101 | pressing esc then i doesnt work, it then brings up loads of stuff when i press esc again when i come to write the changes |
| 13:37.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | shalok: man 5 menufile i think |
| 13:37.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: doesn't work |
| 13:37.51 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 13:38.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | shalok: i have to go to bed, but gl with it |
| 13:38.14 | shalok | Kamping_Kaiser, me too. Thanks for the help. |
| 13:38.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
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| 13:43.20 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: talked to peter |
| 13:43.26 | ompaul | woops hit me in message |
| 13:43.30 | ompaul | back in 2 |
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| 13:44.58 | twobitsprite | cj101: try nano instead... vi is not intuitive to people who aren't used to it |
| 13:45.42 | Digdilem | i think jed is the most intuitive, especially for windows users (alt+f etc). |
| 13:45.54 | twobitsprite | Digdilem: ohh yeah, forgot about that one |
| 13:46.14 | ompaul | however as vi is on ever linux / unix system there is serious value in learning it |
| 13:46.18 | twobitsprite | Digdilem: jed isn't installed by default though |
| 13:46.19 | cj101 | lol, trouble is i am used to vi, just not used to debian lol, im normaly a fedora guy and there its just press i and type, press esc then :w to write and :q to quit |
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| 13:46.41 | Digdilem | twobitsprite, true. first thing I install on a new system though :) (and remap it to the borland ide keymappings) |
| 13:47.04 | Digdilem | cj101, surely you can copy a fedora vi config? |
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| 13:47.11 | Digdilem | set it how you like it? |
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| 13:47.31 | twobitsprite | cj101: ohh... well, works for me. sure you don't have caps lock on or anything? |
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| 13:48.06 | cj101 | no, very strange, but i just wrote the file in windows and then ftp'd it accross lol |
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| 13:48.12 | cj101 | worked ok |
| 13:48.45 | twobitsprite | cj101: so... if you "vi file" and then immediately hit "i" it doesn't go in to insert mode? |
| 13:48.54 | cj101 | no it doesnt lol |
| 13:49.34 | twobitsprite | cj101: something is broken... did you change anything after you installed? |
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| 13:49.50 | cj101 | me no, rackspace maybe lol |
| 13:50.09 | twobitsprite | cj101: what about shift-a or o? |
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| 13:51.09 | cj101 | goes to insert mode but the arrow keys type letters lol |
| 13:51.24 | twobitsprite | cj101: that's just a keymap issue |
| 13:51.31 | ChB82 | hello, it should be possible to use "shutdown -a" as a normal user (with "/etc/shutdown.allow") but it seems to ignore it?!? Is there something wrong with the package? |
| 13:51.49 | cj101 | ok then, how can i sort out the keymap issue then? |
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| 13:52.16 | twobitsprite | cj101: or maybe because you still have vim-tiny installed... try aptitude install vim and see if that helps |
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| 13:52.31 | cj101 | ah ok then |
| 13:52.41 | twobitsprite | can't remember if vim-tiny likes arrow keys or not |
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| 13:53.09 | cj101 | thanks, that sorted it perfectly :) |
| 13:53.09 | twobitsprite | (but I almost never use arrow keys in vi anyways...) |
| 13:53.13 | twobitsprite | cool |
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| 13:53.40 | cj101 | now just to sort out the error im getting when trying to install vhcs2 lol |
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| 13:55.05 | twobitsprite | cj101: doesn't look like vhcs is in debian, unless it goes by another name |
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| 13:55.28 | twobitsprite | cj101: if you're open to alternativies, /msg dpkg free whcp |
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| 13:58.20 | cj101 | vhcs looks like its based on ispcp, cause the errors im searching for are comming up with that one as well |
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| 13:59.04 | twobitsprite | cj101: have you seen this already http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/debian-6-squeeze-vhcs-869626/ |
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| 14:22.40 | ChB82 | okay...it looks like "shutdown" in debian 6 doesn't use "-a" (/etc/shutdown.allow)...you must use sudo for shutdown as user... |
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| 14:24.13 | abrotman | ChB82: or specify it manually? |
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| 14:25.40 | ChB82 | abrotman: how manually? i think -a is ignored (maybe not compiled in???) |
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| 14:26.41 | eshat | well, I give up trying to rip a DVD on debian without adding debian-multimedia |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | ChB82: did you check the BTS? |
| 14:27.33 | eshat | applications which can do it (like k3b) depend on packagages (transcode) which are not available in debian |
| 14:28.35 | jelly-home | eshat: I checked with the debian-maintainers guy (#dmo on oftc) and he's making a derivative distro |
| 14:29.06 | ChB82 | abrotman: no, i used "strace" and there was no shutdown.allow file... |
| 14:29.13 | abrotman | you have to create it |
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| 14:30.00 | ChB82 | abrotman: i created it, but shutdown -a didn't use it... |
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| 14:30.13 | abrotman | can it read it? |
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| 14:31.07 | eshat | jelly-home: another distro is no option ;) |
| 14:31.09 | ChB82 | abrotman: it should...-rw-r--r-- |
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| 14:32.09 | fossala | As far as I can see the tg3 broadcom driver is licenced under the gpl. Why isn't it inluded in the install images? |
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| 14:32.18 | jelly-home | fossala: it is. |
| 14:32.39 | jelly-home | fossala: you may be missing firmware |
| 14:33.19 | fossala | Is the firmware licensed differently? |
| 14:33.23 | jelly-home | fossala: /msg dpkg tg3 |
| 14:33.41 | jelly-home | yes, it can't be GPL because there's no source |
| 14:34.05 | fossala | I thought the firmware would be in the chip? |
| 14:34.10 | twobitsprite | eshat: doesn't ripping a dvd require DeCSS, which is technically illegal? |
| 14:34.24 | eshat | twobitsprite: depends on your country |
| 14:34.36 | jelly-home | fossala: yeah... no, lots of hardware have firmware loading at boot (driver load) time |
| 14:34.42 | epsilon | not if you rip on a server in Iran |
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| 14:35.00 | twobitsprite | eshat: sure, of course... but it's illegal in many countries, so it would make sense to not include it in the official debian repos |
| 14:35.10 | abrotman | ChB82: i don't see any bugs related to that |
| 14:35.53 | jelly-home | eshat: I just used wine and dvdshrink32 <g> |
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| 14:36.22 | petemc | or just download a copy someone else has already ripped.... |
| 14:36.37 | jelly-home | petemc: now _that_ is arguably illegalier |
| 14:36.44 | eshat | ^ That might be illegal :D |
| 14:36.48 | petemc | might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb |
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| 14:36.55 | ChB82 | abrotman: hmm...you can simply try it...add a user (or use existing), echo USER >/etc/shutdown.allow, and then "shutdown -a -h now" (as the user) |
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| 14:38.27 | jelly-home | petemc: what if you accidentally dl a copy with more pixels than your own, like a blueray rip??? |
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| 14:38.55 | petemc | in that case you should give yourself a good flogging |
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| 14:41.57 | wols | hmmm... self flagellation. good traditions never die |
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| 14:46.01 | xiu | just wondering: I have a broken hard disk, I cannot even get the computer to mount it.... anything I could try out to recover just a bit of data? |
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| 14:46.19 | SnarkBait | xiu, Broken physically, or just can't seem to read it? |
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| 14:47.24 | fossala | jelly-home: Why is firmware needed for debians tg3 driver and not for openbsds bge? |
| 14:47.45 | jelly-home | fossala: openbsd already carries it most likely |
| 14:48.09 | fossala | jelly-home:They don't there driver doesn't need the firmware |
| 14:48.21 | jelly-home | fossala: it's in the code |
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| 14:48.58 | fossala | If it's in the code it would be propitary and then not licenced under the bsd licence which it is. |
| 14:49.13 | stew | fossala: its also in linux, but violating the GPL |
| 14:49.13 | fossala | Not trying to start a flame war I was just wondering. |
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| 14:49.25 | stew | fossala: its just that debian took it out of its linux source before compiling it |
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| 14:49.48 | fossala | stew:ahh ok thanks. |
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| 14:50.25 | stew | fossala: nor do I see how it would be violating the BSD license |
| 14:50.35 | stew | it DOES violate the GPL (since the GPL requires you to provide source) |
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| 14:53.02 | puchu | hi |
| 14:53.28 | puchu | im logging my network traffic but the log fills up with mdns traffic - which daemon is creating this? |
| 14:54.01 | wols | puchu: avahi? |
| 14:54.56 | puchu | wols: thanks. do you know how can i turn it off forever? |
| 14:55.02 | puchu | apt-get remove avahi? |
| 14:55.09 | wols | good start |
| 14:55.22 | puchu | no i just wont to stop the service from starting |
| 14:55.28 | puchu | rc-update is missing in debian ;) |
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| 14:55.59 | wols | rcconf is not. update-rc.d isn't either |
| 14:56.03 | DammitJim | why do I get Ign messages when doing a sources update for Translations? (i.e. Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/non-free Translation-en_US) |
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| 14:56.55 | jelly-home | it's missing but it doesn't matter |
| 14:56.59 | puchu | update-rc.d avahi disable |
| 14:56.59 | puchu | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 14:56.59 | puchu | update-rc.d: error: cannot find a LSB script for avahi |
| 14:57.11 | stew | DammitJim: /msg dpkg ign |
| 14:57.24 | stew | DammitJim: bug basically, becuase the file doesn't exist |
| 14:57.29 | stew | ^bug^but |
| 14:57.30 | jelly-home | puchu: hint: it's not called just "avahi", look in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 14:57.54 | puchu | jelly-home: yeah right - thanks |
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| 15:01.15 | DammitJim | stew, how do I take it out? |
| 15:01.17 | alfadir_ | hi have a g15 keyboard (logitech), stopped working in xorg (after a sid update). Evdev driver finds it but I can not use it, works in console. hints? |
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| 15:01.57 | alfadir_ | Eterm blinks when keypressed and mouse works.. just no characters are comming out.. |
| 15:02.22 | alfadir_ | recognized as logitec_g15 the xkb_model |
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| 15:05.45 | SnarkBait | I find this funny... Trying to set up a RAID5 root on all KINDS of distros. They all silently fail. Debian is the only one that throws error messages - LOTS of them - but it also WORKS on Debian, so I'll take the error messages. :P |
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| 15:07.15 | stew | DammitJim: since its completely ignorable, i've never bothered to figure out how you would stop it from trying |
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| 15:08.09 | stew | DammitJim: if you really want this warning to go away, i'd search through "man apt.conf" |
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| 15:08.59 | tharkun | Is there a problem with http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/Release ?? |
| 15:09.02 | bzed | SnarkBait: sounds like you are doing something wrong, though. setting up a raid5 is possible with at least all distros I know... |
| 15:09.22 | Kobaz | do de do |
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| 15:09.39 | SnarkBait | bzed, Setting up a raid5, sure. Having ROOT on RAID5 seems to throw a lot of distros off. |
| 15:09.46 | bzed | tharkun: well. we can't tell you without some more information. first thing is to try apt-ge tupdate again.. |
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| 15:09.56 | Kobaz | i forgot the name of the guy I was talking to about a month ago... but if anyone remembers the random and silent file corruption problems I was having... it was bad memory :/ |
| 15:10.07 | bzed | SnarkBait: no, that works well, too, if you know what you are doing (and you don't put /boot on the same raid) |
| 15:10.26 | tharkun | W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 15:10.27 | SnarkBait | bzed, Well, funny... I do know what I'm doing, and it doesn't work all that well. |
| 15:10.56 | bzed | SnarkBait: well you know what you are doing but you are obviously doing something wrong. |
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| 15:11.49 | negaduck | is there a way to run both https and ssh on 443? |
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| 15:12.28 | daemonkeeper | why on earth would anyone want to run SSH on port 443 (besides, the answer is no of course) |
| 15:12.33 | SnarkBait | bzed, Pretty sure I'm not. Ubuntu doesn't even GET to try to activate the array. Archlinux goes completely insane when it tries to start the array and thinks that the array started with one drive and five spares. |
| 15:12.50 | Kobaz | daemonkeeper: obscurity |
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| 15:13.01 | DammitJim | daemonkeeper, I used to do that when I worked at a company that didn't allow anything else besides port 80 or 443 |
| 15:13.02 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 15:13.05 | Kobaz | negaduck: sure if you run them on different ips |
| 15:13.19 | Kobaz | daemonkeeper: openvpn running on port 443 ftw |
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| 15:13.36 | daemonkeeper | Kobaz: OpenVPN is not HTTPS and SSH of course. |
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| 15:14.19 | Kobaz | yeap |
| 15:14.35 | SnarkBait | bzed, And yet, Debian seems to handle it sanely, albeit with a few odd errors generated by minor issues in mdadm, which have already had bugs filed against them. |
| 15:15.12 | negaduck | i found this: http://www.pond-weed.com/multiplex/, but i'd like to find a well-known solution |
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| 15:15.53 | daemonkeeper | negaduck: Kobaz told you, you can do it easily with two distinct IPs |
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| 15:16.02 | fr0ggie | whats the current count of packages in stable for MIPS platform? |
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| 15:17.00 | Kobaz | negaduck: the multiplex sounds nifty. protocol detection and redirect as necessary |
| 15:17.23 | daemonkeeper | Not that it would make sense, since there are about 65k ports left. |
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| 15:17.38 | Kobaz | negaduck: the well-known solution would be have https listen in 1.2.3.4:443 and have ssh listen on 1.2.3.5:443 |
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| 15:18.07 | Kobaz | daemonkeeper: it makes sense if you have some sort of restrictuve firewall to get through, and you only have one ip on the far end to work with |
| 15:18.29 | daemonkeeper | Kobaz: You can still tunnel through SSH on port 443 if its the port which counts for you. |
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| 15:18.48 | fr0ggie | It wouldnt be hard really |
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| 15:19.04 | daemonkeeper | e.g. SSH on port 443, and tunnel HTTP(S) through it. |
| 15:19.08 | daemonkeeper | No need for black magic |
| 15:19.11 | Kobaz | daemonkeeper: yeah there's 203847023984234 ways to do it |
| 15:19.17 | fr0ggie | You could whip up a little daemon with libev to look for ssh handshake, i bet |
| 15:19.17 | negaduck | i'm behind isa server |
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| 15:19.46 | negaduck | and our admins are not so friendly |
| 15:19.50 | fr0ggie | Where can i find counts of packages in debian by platform? (MIPS is all i care about really) |
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| 15:25.46 | ChrisW1 | hi all, how can I install a root CA cert such that software using mod_ssl client libs will not fail on verifying certificates signed by that CA? |
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| 15:28.09 | snL20 | I have a debian squeeze install that I didnt create any apt sources during install does anyone have a conf they could share ? |
| 15:28.35 | karlpinc | !sources.list |
| 15:28.35 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:28.37 | Argafal | hi, i'd like to debug a sound decoding problem. I am running Intel HDA hardware (Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio) and any kind of compressed audio formats result in audible artifacts, like a quick repition of every sound made, but also distorted. It seems to be dependent on the compression algorithm as there is video/audio files played without this problem and others where it is quite strongly. I did however not find a |
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| 15:28.59 | wols | !tell snL20 about squeeze sources.list |
| 15:29.03 | nyov | ChrisW1: putting a .pem file in /etc/ssl/certs/ should work |
| 15:29.20 | snL20 | karlpinc, wols thanks |
| 15:30.13 | ChrisW1 | nyov: do I have to restart anything after that? I tried but makes no difference... |
| 15:30.26 | ChrisW1 | I still get error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed |
| 15:30.52 | karlpinc | ChrisW1: Did you restart the daemon? |
| 15:31.03 | ChrisW1 | karlpinc: which daemon? |
| 15:31.23 | karlpinc | ChrisW1: Whatever daemon needs the CA. |
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| 15:31.40 | ChrisW1 | karlpinc: it's a client |
| 15:32.07 | ChrisW1 | connecting to an apache ssl server, that server is using a self-signed cert |
| 15:32.14 | petemc | we used to distribute a .der file for clients to import |
| 15:32.31 | ChrisW1 | I've put the CA .pem for that cert into /etc/ssl/certs |
| 15:32.33 | petemc | then we stopped using self signed altogether as its a pain in the hole |
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| 15:32.51 | nyov | ChrisW1: then you need to install that CA file on the *clients* |
| 15:33.02 | ChrisW1 | nyov: that's what I'm trying to do |
| 15:33.16 | ChrisW1 | works fine on Chrome on Windows, just import a converted version of the cert |
| 15:33.42 | ChrisW1 | now, I'm using a python client on a debian box that's using mod_ssl's client libraries |
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| 15:34.02 | ChrisW1 | so on that debian box, I need to do the equivalent of importing a .der info Chrome on Windows |
| 15:34.21 | ChrisW1 | I would have assumed that would be putting the .pem for the CA cert into /etc/ssl/certs, but I appear to be wrong |
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| 15:34.45 | nyov | ChrisW1: but that should work |
| 15:34.58 | plug918 | hello, i need to set up mail on debian so that i can sent out mail, i already has postfix installed, anyone can tell me how to test if it work? |
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| 15:35.40 | ChrisW1 | nyov: indeed, the .pem is there, has the same permissions as the other pems in /etc/ssl/certs |
| 15:35.43 | petemc | plug918: echo test | mail -s test user@gmail.com |
| 15:35.44 | jhutchins_lt2 | plug918: Send an email to an external address. |
| 15:36.00 | nyov | ChrisW1: try running update-ca-certificates |
| 15:36.27 | nyov | hm no |
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| 15:36.38 | ChrisW1 | nyov: nope, doesn't make any differences |
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| 15:37.45 | plug918 | jhutchins: just try it, but didnt receive anything, is there a way to debug it? |
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| 15:37.59 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: logs. |
| 15:38.22 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: /var/log/mail.log (I think). |
| 15:38.37 | negaduck | cool. I found it: sslh -- to share 443 |
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| 15:39.56 | ma3x | hi is it possible to see the time when the commands are executed on the system? be default timestamp of history is turned off. is there a way? |
| 15:40.57 | plug918 | jhutchins: hum, in the log it said that is has sent and the status is 250 (0k), but i didnt recive the email |
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| 15:41.29 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: What service are you sending it to? |
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| 15:42.28 | ma3x | i mean you can see in 'last' from when til when the user has logged but can you see what he's typed? |
| 15:43.35 | petemc | ma3x: not be default, you could set up process accounting |
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| 15:44.07 | Skeeter- | i need some help trying to recover my RAID superbock |
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| 15:48.30 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: What I mean is do you have access to the logs at the receiving end? |
| 15:48.43 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Are you relaying through a smarthost or delivering directly? |
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| 15:50.18 | plug918 | jhutchins_lt: yea, i dont have access to the log of the receiving end, i can only check email. and i believe i delivering directly |
| 15:50.25 | wmNaN | debian refuses to install nvidia-glx (saying "broken packages", and "Depends: libgl1-nvidia-glx (= 275.09.07-1)" even though that package is there), what do? |
| 15:50.34 | wmNaN | that's in debian unstable |
| 15:51.04 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Try sending to hutchins@opus1.com |
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| 15:51.41 | plug918 | just send |
| 15:52.52 | wmNaN | now I'm in dependency hell |
| 15:53.09 | wmNaN | multiple seemingly inter-dependent AND conflicting packages, and just nothing works |
| 15:53.43 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: what's your hostname? |
| 15:54.28 | jhutchins_lt | wmNaN: That's why they call it unstable. See #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 15:54.39 | wols | wmNaN: aptitude install <problem package>. it tells you what the problem is |
| 15:54.51 | wmNaN | jhutchins_lt, you mean I should ask there? |
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| 15:56.03 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: rayondeb? |
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| 15:59.21 | Rienzilla | Hey everyone. Where would I find the kernel configuration of the default squeeze linux kernel on a mips system? |
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| 15:59.37 | Rienzilla | including modules) |
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| 16:00.23 | stew | Rienzilla: you could download the -headers package and unpack the .config manually |
| 16:00.45 | slaeshjag | Hai, I got some problems with ALSA (Well, at least I think it's alsa). I sometimes get *very* choppy, unstable sound with hints of what sounds like too much PCM. Sometimes, fiddling around in alsamixing muting/unmuting stuff randomly seems to fix it in some cases, but what could this be caused by? Running Debian 6.0 with a "YMF724" based soundcard |
| 16:00.53 | stew | (or the -image package which has the file in /boot/config-$version) |
| 16:01.09 | c0nsense | see my problem: i have a folder called site with permissions 774 and 2 users dev && mod the ls -la from this folder is drwxrwxr-- 2 mod site. the user dev yet do part from group site. but if the user dev create a file the user mod can't edit. how can i resolve this? |
| 16:02.16 | stew | c0nsense: make the folder chmod g+s and have the user use umask 002 when creating files |
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| 16:02.51 | Rienzilla | that would be linux-headers-2.6.32-5-all-mips_2.6.32-31_mips.deb for squeeze? |
| 16:03.08 | plug918 | jhutchins_lt: yeah, that's me |
| 16:03.31 | c0nsense | stew: how to see or edit the umak from this users? |
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| 16:04.18 | stew | c0nsense: if the user types "umask" in a shell they will see their current umask. changing it only affects that session |
| 16:04.41 | stew | c0nsense: if you want to do something like this that ONLY affects this folder, i'd recommend using extended acls instead |
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| 16:05.03 | stew | judd: versions linux-headers-2.6.32-5-all-mips --arch mips |
| 16:05.04 | judd | Package linux-headers-2.6.32-5-all-mips on mips -- squeeze: 2.6.32-31; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-34squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.32-35 |
| 16:05.14 | stew | Rienzilla: looks right to me |
| 16:05.21 | plug918 | jhutchins_lt: i think the mail server is running now |
| 16:05.24 | plug918 | thakn |
| 16:05.24 | stew | though the -all part seems weird |
| 16:05.35 | stew | (but I'm also not very familiar with mips) |
| 16:06.08 | Rienzilla | yeah well there's a lot of subplatforms it seems |
| 16:06.31 | stew | ok |
| 16:06.47 | Rienzilla | I found a .config, and will check whether that's what I'm looking for, thanks |
| 16:07.53 | axolx | i know this is not 100% on topic, but does anyone know of a solid router for a small business? we've grown out of our airport extreme but im having a hard time researching amazon & newegg |
| 16:08.26 | Rienzilla | there's a lot on the market, anywhere between $100 and $100.000 :) |
| 16:09.01 | wols | axolx: ##hardware |
| 16:09.05 | Rienzilla | mikrotik routerboards are good value. And for larger deployments the low-end range of juniper is nice imo (ssg-5 or ssg-20). but I guess it's a matter of taste |
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| 16:11.11 | trix`G | Hi folks |
| 16:11.36 | wmNaN | how can I temporarily fix a package/dependency that otherwise completely fucks up package management? |
| 16:11.38 | themill | stew: so it is worth importing all that data for those funny archs ;) |
| 16:11.49 | stew | :) |
| 16:12.01 | stew | wmNaN: can you give us specifics? |
| 16:12.20 | stew | wmNaN: if there is a package dependency in debian that is fucking things up, there is hopefully a bug filed? |
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| 16:12.34 | trix`G | My install of debian went kind of funky, due to a badly burned dvd. I have no UI package manager, and even aptitude is stuck on using the dvd as it's only source in the sources.list file... can anyone with standard i686 sources.list file pastebin the contents of that file for me? |
| 16:12.51 | wmNaN | stew, the bug is already filed |
| 16:13.00 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Yeah, you're on-line and sending. Some services might block you though. One thing to check is to make sure that your IP address resolves to your hostname for reverse-DNS. |
| 16:13.03 | wmNaN | it was reported 4 days ago and nothing happened |
| 16:13.10 | themill | wmNaN: bug number? |
| 16:13.21 | wmNaN | themill, 23630775 |
| 16:13.33 | themill | that's not a debian bug |
| 16:13.37 | wmNaN | looks like I need a certain package to "provide" another package |
| 16:13.41 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Some ignorant mail admins block addresses that don't resolve in reverse, and some block any range of address that is "user" or "consumer" addresses instead of business or institutional. |
| 16:13.42 | wmNaN | themill, yes it is |
| 16:13.55 | wmNaN | bugs.debian.org |
| 16:14.04 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: (The correct way to handle those is to score them in something like spamassassin.) |
| 16:14.26 | themill | wmNaN: exact url please... that's not a debian bug number. |
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| 16:14.32 | trix`G | ugh my google-fu fails me :( |
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| 16:14.47 | wmNaN | themill, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23630775 |
| 16:15.04 | wmNaN | themill, oh sorry, looks like the %23 is an URL escape |
| 16:15.05 | themill | !dbugs 630775 |
| 16:15.10 | dpkg | #630775:I[libgl1-nvidia-glx] libgl1-nvidia-glx: Does not provide libgl1 and breaks libgl1-mesa-glx (pending); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:27:02 UTC [] |
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| 16:16.16 | themill | wmNaN: you might want to look at http://blog.mraw.org/2011/06/18/mesa_a_disturbance_in_the_Force/ |
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| 16:16.51 | wmNaN | themill, oh thanks |
| 16:17.01 | treitter | does anyone know why xdmcp would be broken with GDM 3? If I open a Xephyr window, GDM never comes up. I've added [xdmcp] Enable=true to my custom.conf |
| 16:17.53 | trix`G | nevermind, google-fu came through and I answered my own question, thanks anyway folks |
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| 16:34.04 | wmNaN | themill, that solution suggests not to use nvidia |
| 16:34.15 | wols | always a good solution! |
| 16:34.23 | wmNaN | themill, i.e. it's not a solution but a big "fuck you" |
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| 16:35.52 | themill | that's not what kibi says, actually |
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| 16:36.15 | stew | it would be my suggestion :) |
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| 16:36.39 | valdyn | wmNaN: except that not using nvidia is just one of a few suggestions |
| 16:37.19 | wmNaN | valdyn, which are the others? I see only stuff about xorg packages, which are not my problem |
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| 16:37.48 | valdyn | Solution: Sticking to the mesa packages in testing is the way to go until fixed fglrx and nvidia packages are uploaded. |
| 16:37.57 | themill | err.. no. they are the problem. There is no way that just frigging with dependencies is going to solve this |
| 16:38.02 | wols | wmNaN: there is a big fat, bold "Solution". and it doesn't mention what you are saying |
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| 16:38.22 | wmNaN | valdyn, I read that as "use mesa instead of nvidia GL" |
| 16:38.25 | valdyn | wmNaN: that means that you should use mesa packages from testing, it does not somehow imply or say that you should not use nvidia |
| 16:38.48 | wmNaN | uh, so, mixing testing and unstable packages? |
| 16:38.52 | valdyn | wmNaN: if you dont use nvidia/fglrx packages then you dont need to use old mesa packages |
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| 16:39.14 | valdyn | wmNaN: and you wouldnt need a solution |
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| 16:40.18 | wols | wmNaN: since you already run sid, you know everything about testing and sid, right? |
| 16:40.39 | wmNaN | wols, I was told mixing distributions is a recipe for pain |
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| 16:41.03 | wols | wmNaN: running sid is a recipe for pain which you clearly are not capable of enduring or mitigating... |
| 16:41.07 | stew | wmNaN: its often necessary with sid. sid is a recipe for pain |
| 16:41.11 | antiwire | lol |
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| 16:41.30 | antiwire | ...she's into whips and chains...I'm into pain. |
| 16:41.38 | wols | wmNaN: running sid means to know when to take risks like this and when not |
| 16:41.40 | wmNaN | well, stable is too old, and upgrading from one stable to the next stable is a much larger recipe for pain actually (all those regressions at once) |
| 16:41.56 | wols | wmNaN: you're funny. sorta. |
| 16:42.20 | antiwire | where does sid fall into the list of code names compared to squeeze and wheezy? |
| 16:42.33 | wols | antiwire: it's the bad bad kid |
| 16:42.35 | jhutchins_lt | antiwire: It doesn't. Sid is always sid. |
| 16:42.35 | stew | antiwire: outside. its the "unstable" version which is never released |
| 16:42.49 | wmNaN | wols, well, what would you do |
| 16:42.50 | themill | "too old" *sigh*. /me moves on |
| 16:42.54 | stew | antiwire: its where packages are typically first uploaded. from there they might eventually move to testing |
| 16:42.59 | peterrooney | dpkg: sid |
| 16:42.59 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; . Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 16:43.09 | wols | wmNaN: I would reinstall squeeze |
| 16:43.16 | cahoot | more like a pitbull |
| 16:43.20 | wmNaN | themill, yes, for example stable apparently has only the 195 nvidia driver |
| 16:43.41 | wols | wmNaN: what videocard do you have? |
| 16:44.01 | wmNaN | wols, 8500 GT |
| 16:44.11 | peterrooney | Pitbull? more like the rabid dalmation |
| 16:44.17 | antiwire | gotcha. thanks guys |
| 16:44.36 | wols | wmNaN: you get funnier by the minute. a 5 year old card which was bottom bin back then and you insist on newest shiniest drivers which are totally useless for you? |
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| 16:46.03 | wols | wmNaN: if anything those new drivers are slower than the squeeze ones btw |
| 16:46.05 | jhutchins_lt | Running old packages is almost as bad as having to use the command line. |
| 16:47.45 | wmNaN | running stable also means you have software whose bugs definitely will not be fixed (because either nobody from debian bothers to update the package, or because upstream decided that this old version is deprecated and insists users use a newer one) |
| 16:48.17 | themill | wmNaN: and it saves you from horrid bugs like the one you've got now. I know which I prefer. |
| 16:48.20 | jhutchins_lt | wmNaN: Are you sure you wouldn't be happier with gentoo? |
| 16:48.51 | wols | wmNaN: the number of bugs experienced with sid is FAR bigger than anything in stable |
| 16:48.58 | wmNaN | themill, this bug is not exactly "horrid", it's just a very messed up package dependency (and I bet an upgrade from an old stable to a newer one isn't much more pleasant) |
| 16:49.21 | wols | wmNaN: shows how much you know about debian stable |
| 16:49.36 | wmNaN | wols, I used to use it, but then got fed up with the situation |
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| 16:52.20 | wmNaN | jhutchins_lt: your point? |
| 16:53.08 | jhutchins_lt | wmNaN: Just that if you're insecure because other people have bigger version numbers than you do you might want to run a more bleeding edge distro. |
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| 16:53.34 | wmNaN | jhutchins_lt, does that explain me running shitty old hardware too? |
| 16:53.39 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I heard Arch was the new thing |
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| 16:53.52 | oldirty | jhutchins- that's going in my book of happy. |
| 16:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Gentoo is rather out-of-style. |
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| 16:55.58 | valdyn | backtrack its where its at ;) |
| 16:56.14 | jelly-home | wmNaN: stable is a good starting point for production environments, and a base upon which selected few components can be customized (with local backports or stable-backports) if required |
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| 16:56.31 | wmNaN | so what do you do? reinstall every 2 years? |
| 16:56.39 | jelly-home | no, test the upgrade |
| 16:56.56 | wmNaN | and then spend 2 days to solve the inevitable breakage? |
| 16:57.01 | valdyn | wmNaN: no one needs to reinstall debian, ever |
| 16:57.03 | jelly-home | wmNaN: yes |
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| 16:57.24 | jelly-home | wmNaN: it's less work than the alternatives |
| 16:57.46 | wojtas | hello everyone! I have a following problem - I decided recently to install fresh Debian, after 7 years of using the same one. Got netinstall, the latest version, installed it and everything was fine. First thing I started doing was to dist-upgrade to sid. Newest kernel for amd64. And nouveau stopped working. dmesg is fine (I can pastebin it), I have no idea what seems to be a problem. Could anyone help me? |
| 16:57.48 | wols | wmNaN: if there is no 3rd party software, there is rarely breakage if ever. and many people have the same debian installation for the last 10 yers. basically the main reason to install debian stable is new hardware/new harddisks |
| 16:57.55 | wmNaN | and all the hundreds of backports you're going to install won't break anything either? |
| 16:58.06 | jelly-home | wmNaN: hundreds? |
| 16:58.07 | wols | wmNaN: see wojtas here? |
| 16:58.09 | stew | wait, who is installing hundreds of backports? |
| 16:58.21 | wojtas | :) |
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| 16:58.33 | wols | wmNaN: if you install hundreds of backports you can't say anymore you run stable, can you? |
| 16:58.33 | stew | this discussion seems to be in a unconstructive downward spiral |
| 16:58.45 | wojtas | wols: I even changed the hardware couple of times, no need to reinstall |
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| 16:59.00 | wmNaN | then what you're going to do if there's a new version of software you need and it's not in stable? |
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| 16:59.15 | stew | wmNaN: use a backport |
| 16:59.18 | jelly-home | wmNaN: backport it |
| 16:59.26 | themill | wmNaN: "need" is where you're probably going wrong too. That's very uncommon. |
| 16:59.29 | wojtas | here's dmesg: http://pastebin.com/SzcUqtSz |
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| 16:59.45 | wols | wmNaN: you actually rarely do. you backport. but you know what you backport and make contingencies come upgrading |
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| 16:59.46 | jelly-home | wmNaN: in practice I have 0-5 backported packages on my systems |
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| 17:00.37 | jelly-home | wmNaN: and most are upgraded rsyslog and logrotate because of niceties and need to conform to internal policies |
| 17:00.41 | oldirty | everyone's being really patient with the guy who's asking for assistance with a dist-upgrade to sid... am I missing something? |
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| 17:01.04 | wmNaN | jelly-home, you're probably running a server or something |
| 17:01.09 | stew | oldirty: no, he's already on sid, where stuff is broken |
| 17:01.12 | abrotman | yeah, something useful .. darn you |
| 17:01.13 | jelly-home | wmNaN: dozens of. |
| 17:01.43 | wols | wojtas: define "stopped working" please |
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| 17:01.53 | oldirty | stew- oh my... what ever would he want to upgrade to sid for? |
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| 17:02.02 | wols | oldirty: !sns |
| 17:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | currently runs three desktops and three servers (two commercial) all on stable or oldstable. |
| 17:02.28 | stew | wmNaN: your options are 1) use stable (possibly with backports, possibly living without them). 2) run testing and or testing/sid, and expect stuff to be broken, and expect us to expect you to know what you are doing to get out of a jam like the one you are in now 3) use something with a release cycle that suits you better 4) wait for debian to make a rolling release targetted at end-users |
| 17:02.29 | wojtas | wols: it's an computer with two screens attached through DVI, just they're black, like no signal |
| 17:02.38 | oldirty | wols- I'm sorry, what? |
| 17:02.43 | stew | wmNaN: perhaps we can refocus this discussion to be more constructive around one of these? |
| 17:02.48 | wols | wojtas: from kernel onwards? or only with X? |
| 17:02.54 | wols | oldirty: /msg dpkg sns |
| 17:03.05 | oldirty | wols- oh thanks :) |
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| 17:03.32 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 17:03.32 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Dogfishhead 90min IPA for stew |
| 17:03.34 | wojtas | wols: don't have X yet, clean system. after system loading and loading nouveau by myself screen goes black |
| 17:03.37 | wols | stew: you think 4) is a real possibility? or just a pipedream some blogger wrote about? |
| 17:03.52 | stew | wols: its a real possibility for after wheezy |
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| 17:04.09 | wols | stew: I believe when I see it :) |
| 17:04.41 | wmNaN | I thought according to this channel rolling releases are stupid and You Don't Need It (TM) |
| 17:04.53 | wols | wojtas: kernel modeset possibly? tried running a squeeze kernel? |
| 17:05.03 | stew | wmNaN: no, there is quite a lot of interest in debian having a rolling release targetted at end-users |
| 17:05.12 | wmNaN | count me in |
| 17:05.17 | stew | wmNaN: a lot of interest from both end-users and debian developers |
| 17:05.39 | stew | wmNaN: and there was a lot of discussion last month on the debian-devel mailing list about how it might be implemented |
| 17:05.43 | wols | wmNaN: currently there is no rolling release suitable for end users. and people who need/want it are supposed not to be typical end users |
| 17:05.45 | wmNaN | if unstable is for those who know what they're doing, what is experimental? |
| 17:05.55 | abrotman | wmNaN: i think there's a bit of debate on how exactly it will work |
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| 17:06.05 | abrotman | wmNaN: a playground for DDs .. it may eat your system |
| 17:06.14 | wols | wmNaN: people who have their computers as a hobby for its own sake |
| 17:06.34 | wojtas | wols: after update'ing to newest kernel I deleted the old one... My fault |
| 17:06.36 | wols | abrotman: so does sid |
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| 17:06.48 | abrotman | wols: in some cases .. in experimental, they don't even pretend it won't |
| 17:06.48 | wols | wojtas: not as if debian.org has deleted it too.. |
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| 17:07.20 | stew | wmNaN: testing and unstable are both intended as devices for debian to stage the next debian stable and are not really intended for end-users, though they are used frequently by end users anyway |
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| 17:07.47 | stew | wmNaN: experimental is a dumping ground for a possibly completely broken incomplete set of packages |
| 17:07.49 | wols | stew: and DDs love users for it cause it helps them debugging issues. up to a point |
| 17:07.50 | tharkun | uses stable with 2 packages from sid and 2 from upstream |
| 17:07.55 | wojtas | stew: I'm always using unstable, sometimes problems with dependencies, then I'm waiting for couple of days and it's fine |
| 17:08.00 | stew | wmNaN: stuff in both unstable and experimental might be completely untested |
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| 17:08.24 | wojtas | wols: so you suggest to install stock squeeze kernel? |
| 17:08.41 | wols | wojtas: for testing: definitely |
| 17:08.56 | wojtas | wols: I have all the packages unstable already |
| 17:09.05 | oldirty | it seems like using sid would be perfect for someone who hates using their computer for anything other than debugging someone else's code. |
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| 17:09.10 | wols | wojtas: there also is a kernel settings for disabling kmodeset or fb. either one could be a problem |
| 17:09.17 | oldirty | ah hell it it |
| 17:09.28 | wols | wojtas: sid is sid, and nouveau isn't what I'd call tested either... |
| 17:09.31 | nkuttler | nah, sid is just fine, unless you expect your machine to work all the time |
| 17:09.35 | oldirty | call me paranoid but i can't help but think i'm being trolled every time i join #debian these days |
| 17:09.36 | oldirty | later guys |
| 17:09.58 | abrotman | anyone ever seen him here before? :) |
| 17:10.13 | nkuttler | my logfiles might |
| 17:10.24 | SnarkBait | shrugs. |
| 17:10.24 | wols | oldirty: nah, it can work for long stretches of time just fine and often does. but you can also unexpectedly be up for 6 hours after midnight to fix a problem once in a while. usually when sid breaks and your stupidity made it worse |
| 17:10.38 | blackshirt2 | hello, I have problem with sound on debian.. |
| 17:10.39 | SnarkBait | I tend to run testing. |
| 17:10.51 | wols | abrotman: he said he was "old". |
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| 17:11.11 | abrotman | blackshirt2: we would need more details |
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| 17:11.40 | Skeeter- | could anyone help me recover my raid softwate superblock |
| 17:12.09 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:13.43 | blackshirt2 | abrotman: okay..thanks.. My system can not make a sound, or play a song, just stay quiet |
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| 17:15.48 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 17:15.48 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 17:16.36 | wojtas | ok, nouveau working without X. But when I start to load Xorg, |
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| 17:17.04 | wojtas | there's an error, that nouveau module doesn't exist |
| 17:17.49 | tharkun | Gentlemen what keyword is necesary to ask the bot about making a local repository? |
| 17:17.58 | stew | tharkun: repository |
| 17:18.41 | tharkun | stew: thanks, but that factoid clearly states that is outdated since secure apt. |
| 17:19.08 | stew | tharkun: i think most people are using repropro these days |
| 17:19.26 | tharkun | stew: thanks i'll research it |
| 17:19.27 | stew | (which does handle Release file signing) |
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| 17:21.11 | blackshirt1 | abrotman: okay..thanks.. My system can not make a sound, or play a song, just stay quiet |
| 17:21.29 | rizzeh | blackshirt2: try 'alsactl init' as root |
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| 17:22.52 | MrFrood | !alsactl |
| 17:22.52 | dpkg | In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device. |
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| 17:24.43 | blackshirt1 | rizzeh: I will try that |
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| 17:25.43 | blackshirt1 | rizzeh: this output from that command : Unknown hardware: "ICH4" "Realtek ALC101" "AC97a:414c4730" "0x414c" "0x4730" |
| 17:25.44 | blackshirt1 | Hardware is initialized using a guess method |
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| 17:27.16 | rizzeh | blackshirt1: log out, log in, test sound |
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| 17:27.45 | blackshirt1 | rizzeh : wait a minut |
| 17:27.48 | blackshirt1 | minute |
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| 17:27.56 | clauwn | hey, i need help routing the alsa output of espeak into the microphone so i can use tts to communicate with others over skype or something |
| 17:28.05 | rusef | I am apparently failing at something as simple as running a self-extracting archive (.bin) |
| 17:28.08 | rusef | D: |
| 17:28.18 | rusef | http://nopaste.info/f7aceff8fb.html |
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| 17:30.02 | wols | rusef: trying to install a rpm in debian is an epic fail, yes :) |
| 17:30.14 | rusef | I guess so. |
| 17:30.16 | wols | rusef: while you can install rpm in debian, it's strongly discouraged to do so |
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| 17:30.25 | blackshirt | rizzeh: how to test ? |
| 17:30.42 | wols | rusef: any special reason you need this java version? |
| 17:31.09 | rusef | Not really, i could actually just use the openjdk jre lib. |
| 17:31.41 | blackshirt | how to test sound on debian ? |
| 17:31.59 | wols | !versions sun-java6-jre |
| 17:32.03 | wols | ,versions sun-java6-jre |
| 17:32.05 | judd | Package sun-java6-jre on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.24-1~squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1; sid/non-free: 6.26-1; wheezy/non-free: 6.26-1 |
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| 17:32.17 | wols | rusef: sun's jre is available too |
| 17:32.27 | jelly-home | blackshirt: run speaker-test -t wav |
| 17:32.47 | jelly-home | -c 2 |
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| 17:33.58 | rusef | Well, not in the repository for me :\ |
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| 17:35.18 | wols | !tell rusef about non-free |
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| 17:36.42 | blackshirt1 | how to configure sound on debian.. I have try alsactl init as root, but still no sound |
| 17:36.46 | jelly-home | rusef: which debian release are you using? |
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| 17:38.14 | rizzeh | blackshirt1: make sure nothing is muted in alsamixer |
| 17:38.29 | jelly-home | possibly going to need proposed-updates enables |
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| 17:38.35 | rusef | jelly-home: wheezy. |
| 17:38.45 | jelly-home | oh, in that cae move along |
| 17:39.06 | blackshirt1 | rizzeh: yeah, it's not muted |
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| 17:39.40 | stew | blackshirt1: alsaconf works? (like it finds a card and lets you play with the volume?) |
| 17:39.43 | stew | err |
| 17:39.46 | stew | alsamixer i mean |
| 17:40.38 | rusef | Guess no minecraft on my netbook then :< |
| 17:40.42 | rizzeh | blackshirt1: read this, there is a section on Realtek chips http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
| 17:40.51 | blackshirt1 | stew: alsaconf not available, |
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| 17:41.03 | blackshirt1 | stew: alsamixer run succesfully |
| 17:41.13 | stew | blackshirt1: can you show us the output of "amxer" in a pastebin? |
| 17:41.42 | blackshirt1 | stew: amxer command not found |
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| 17:41.55 | stew | ugh, i can't type today. sorry, "amixer" |
| 17:42.11 | abrotman | kind of misses aumix |
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| 17:42.26 | stew | !versions aumix |
| 17:42.38 | stew | ,versions aumix |
| 17:42.38 | judd | Package aumix on i386 -- lenny: 2.8-21; sid: 2.9.1-1; squeeze: 2.9.1-1; wheezy: 2.9.1-1 |
| 17:42.56 | stew | (its oss though, isn't it?) |
| 17:44.20 | jelly-home | alsamixer is the next best thing |
| 17:44.47 | jelly-home | toolongtowrite |
| 17:45.04 | blackshirt1 | stew: wait a minute |
| 17:45.13 | homie | is there a way to mount a partition into qemu ? |
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| 17:49.19 | blackshirt1 | stew: this is my output http://pastebin.com/6MYc7PR9 |
| 17:49.19 | MarKsaitis | I have recently installed debian |
| 17:49.26 | MarKsaitis | is there a way to check ram? |
| 17:49.29 | MarKsaitis | memtest? |
| 17:49.37 | MarKsaitis | while debian is runing? |
| 17:49.38 | homie | just mem |
| 17:49.44 | homie | or free |
| 17:49.45 | MarKsaitis | just mem command? |
| 17:50.01 | wols | MarKsaitis: memtest86. install it |
| 17:50.09 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:50.12 | wojtas | not by default? |
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| 17:50.33 | wols | not sure if you can test while debian runs. there once was such a program, but probably not as good as an offline test |
| 17:50.41 | homie | or cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 17:50.44 | MarKsaitis | wols, I need the quickest way ever, I am instructing somebody remotelly who doesnt have much time |
| 17:50.47 | abrotman | homie: how does that test RAM? |
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| 17:51.05 | wols | abrotman: it prints pretty chars on screen. that tests some ram, right? |
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| 17:51.24 | abrotman | that won't 'test' anytihng more than how much there is |
| 17:51.57 | wraithguard02 | Would this be a good channel to ask about connecting to a debian machine with ssh? |
| 17:51.59 | wols | well writing to screen needs some ram for the code to run. that ram is now "tested" |
| 17:52.00 | homie | ah to check ram |
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| 17:52.02 | homie | sorry |
| 17:52.05 | MarKsaitis | wols, I am in the box now over ssh. Whats the best command to quickly run until it all crashes again? |
| 17:52.10 | wols | wraithguard02: just ask |
| 17:52.14 | homie | i thought he wants to check amount of ram or so .... |
| 17:52.25 | homie | or what is used/available |
| 17:52.41 | stew | blackshirt1: well, yes, nothing looks muted. I'm curious about the "external amplifier" setting. I'd make sure you are actually using the correct output of your card |
| 17:52.41 | wols | MarKsaitis: installed it? check if there is a dpkg -L memtest86 |grep bin binary. if there isn't, no dice |
| 17:52.51 | stew | blackshirt1: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:52.56 | homie | jup memtest it is |
| 17:53.14 | stew | wraithguard02: sure |
| 17:53.22 | blackshirt1 | uname -r say : 2.6.39-2-686-pae |
| 17:53.29 | MarKsaitis | wols, yeah, i have just installed memtes86 |
| 17:53.38 | MarKsaitis | it said at the end that it found memtest.bin file |
| 17:53.40 | MarKsaitis | etc... |
| 17:53.47 | MarKsaitis | I did aptitude install memtest86 |
| 17:53.49 | homie | MarKsaitis: you boot into memtest then from grub menu |
| 17:53.51 | MarKsaitis | whats next? |
| 17:53.53 | wols | MarKsaitis: memtest.bin is not what runs inside linux |
| 17:53.53 | MarKsaitis | ok |
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| 17:53.57 | blackshirt1 | stew: this happen after we upgrade system |
| 17:53.58 | MarKsaitis | will it be there already? |
| 17:54.14 | wols | MarKsaitis: it should. check grub.cfg if you're not sure |
| 17:54.14 | homie | should have already updated grub wehn installing.... |
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| 17:54.29 | homie | if not sure make an update-grub yourself |
| 17:54.30 | SEta | Hey there! i need to "proxy" a whole network over dns, and log there requests. Is this possible? Oo |
| 17:54.34 | stew | blackshirt1: what version is in /proc/asound/version? |
| 17:54.41 | wraithguard02 | Ok, I'm having trouble sshing into my remote server with public/private key authentication. I've been following this article: http://www.debuntu.org/ssh-key-based-authentication and for the most part understand what's going on. I've gotten my public/private keypair generated on my local machine, I uploaded the public key to the server, put it in the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file for the user I... |
| 17:54.43 | wraithguard02 | ...want to ssh as, but then it still asks for a password when I try to ssh. ssh -v yields no helpful information, other than it does in fact try publickey authentication first. |
| 17:54.56 | wols | SEta: what do you mean "over dns"? |
| 17:55.12 | stew | wraithguard02: when you upload a key, you should use ssh-copy-id which sets the permissions properly, which is almost always the problem |
| 17:55.19 | SEta | all i want to change is the routers dns adress, but i need some stats whats going on in the network |
| 17:55.20 | blackshirt1 | stew: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.24. |
| 17:55.27 | stew | wraithguard02: and forget ssh -v, these things are much easier debugged from the server side: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 17:55.32 | stew | judd: versions alsa-source |
| 17:55.32 | judd | Package alsa-source on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2; sid: 1.0.23+dfsg-4; wheezy: 1.0.23+dfsg-4 |
| 17:55.54 | stew | blackshirt1: perhaps downgrade alsa, perhaps revert to your previous working kernel |
| 17:56.00 | wols | SEta: what does the router run? |
| 17:56.18 | blackshirt1 | stew : booting with old kernel ? |
| 17:56.20 | SEta | its just an normal home-router ^^ |
| 17:56.36 | jhutchins_lt | wraithguard02: You could try installing the key again with ssh-copy-id |
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| 17:56.49 | jhutchins_lt | wraithguard02: Also check the logs on the server. |
| 17:57.01 | Arrowmaster | permissions might be incorrect |
| 17:57.03 | MarKsaitis | thank you |
| 17:57.13 | jhutchins_lt | wraithguard02: Perhaps the server doesn't accept the key's encryption? |
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| 17:57.27 | wraithguard02 | hmm, I dunno. Let me try the ssh-copy-id first |
| 17:58.04 | wraithguard02 | so, I run that command on the client? |
| 17:58.12 | stew | wraithguard02: if the permissions are incorrect, i wouldn't expect ssh-copy-id to fix them |
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| 17:58.38 | stew | wraithguard02: no, from the client. the .ssh directory and all ancestors must not be group writable. authorized_keys should be chmod 600 |
| 17:58.55 | SEta | another idea would be, send all requests from the dns over a proxy to the target. is this more possible? Oo |
| 17:58.56 | stew | wraithguard02: also make sure the key is on a single line and you didn't mistakenly copy in some extra newlines |
| 17:58.57 | wols | SEta: we are very very bad with stuff that doesn't run debian. really really bad |
| 17:59.01 | calculon | exit |
| 17:59.05 | SEta | lol kk |
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| 17:59.14 | wraithguard02 | stew-> what chown should the file be? |
| 17:59.27 | stew | wraithguard02: the user you are trying to login as |
| 17:59.29 | wraithguard02 | I'm assuming the user that i'm trying to ssh as |
| 17:59.31 | wraithguard02 | ok, cool |
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| 17:59.54 | wraithguard02 | hmm. ok, permissions didn't work. Trying ssh-copy-id now |
| 18:00.23 | stew | wraithguard02: really, try "/msg dpkg debug sshd" the server will tell you exactly what is wrong |
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| 18:02.40 | wraithguard02 | oooh, perfect. |
| 18:02.48 | wraithguard02 | user not list in AllowUsers. |
| 18:02.51 | wraithguard02 | That would do it. |
| 18:03.17 | wols | heh |
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| 18:03.38 | jhutchins | wraithguard02: Was that from ssh-copy-id? |
| 18:03.57 | wraithguard02 | no, from debug mode on the server |
| 18:04.12 | wraithguard02 | I suspect I couldn't even connect with a password. |
| 18:04.28 | wraithguard02 | The user I'm trying to connect as doesn't have a password though, so I couldn't test that anyways. |
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| 18:06.26 | wraithguard02 | I didn't set up the server, so I don't know all the ins and outs yet. |
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| 18:06.55 | wraithguard02 | But, that worked like a charm, thanks all! |
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| 18:15.59 | smacnay | Are nvidia drivers broken in sid right now or is there some new way to configure them - I am not getting any accelerated usage at the moment. |
| 18:16.05 | blackshirt | still no sound |
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| 18:17.52 | wmNaN | smacnay, pretty broken |
| 18:18.02 | jhutchins_lt | smacnay: THey might know in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 18:18.15 | wmNaN | well I know for sure |
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| 18:22.10 | stew | smacnay: people were recently discussing #630775 in here |
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| 18:23.06 | simonlnu | !dbugs 630775 |
| 18:23.10 | dpkg | #630775:I[libgl1-nvidia-glx] libgl1-nvidia-glx: Does not provide libgl1 and breaks libgl1-mesa-glx (pending); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:27:02 UTC [] |
| 18:23.14 | jelly-home | my plan seems to be working well |
| 18:23.35 | simonlnu | which is? |
| 18:23.58 | jelly-home | instead of upgrading all the time and asking here when stuff breaks, I stay here all the time and don't upgrade at all if there's mentions of breakage |
| 18:24.10 | simonlnu | heh |
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| 18:26.56 | smacnay | Thanks folks. |
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| 18:33.12 | johnny66 | I have the following problem with Nvidia in debian sid 2.6.39-1-686-pae --- I managed to get the nvidia drivers to work and also glxinfo was working fine until i apt-get update && apt-get upgrade after that i had problems with glxinfo. So i tried to reinstall the nvidia drivers using: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries but when i try $apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION} i get unmet dep: nvidia-glx : Depends: lib |
| 18:33.12 | johnny66 | gl1-nvidia-glx (= 275.09.07-1) any ideas? |
| 18:33.48 | jelly-home | srsly does this channel get any OTHER question |
| 18:34.21 | johnny66 | jelly-home, great then you can share the answer then ;-) |
| 18:34.32 | wmNaN | johnny66, yes it's broken in unstable |
| 18:34.36 | jelly-home | johnny66: apparently it's http://bugs.debian.org/630775 |
| 18:34.56 | wmNaN | johnny66, solution is installing the mesa packages from testing (these don't conflict with nvidia) |
| 18:34.59 | jelly-home | quick someone put it in the topic |
| 18:36.17 | wmNaN | johnny66, put testing in sources.list, then then apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dev=7.10.2-3 libgl1-mesa-dri=7.10.2-3 libgl1-mesa-glx=7.10.2-3 libglu1-mesa=7.10.2-3 libglu1-mesa-dev=7.10.2-3 mesa-common-dev=7.10.2-3 xserver-xorg-core=2:1.10.2-1+wheezy1 |
| 18:37.06 | johnny66 | hmm im not a master of backporting but what about mesas dependencies they won't mess up anything? |
| 18:37.56 | jelly-home | no backporting takes place |
| 18:38.24 | johnny66 | jelly-home, from testing -> unstable ? |
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| 18:39.04 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 18:39.31 | jelly-home | if anything that would be forward porting, if there was any porting |
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| 18:44.39 | johnny66 | jelly-home, should i temporarily comment out my unstable sources? |
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| 18:44.55 | jelly-home | no need to |
| 18:45.50 | jelly-home | but hey, you're a sid user, you already know how to persuade apt to obey your whims |
| 18:45.59 | jelly-home | right? RIGHT? |
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| 18:47.32 | jelly-home | like using -t testing to install stuff from testing or using foo=7.10.2-3 to install that exact version of foo |
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| 18:48.35 | johnny66 | jelly-home, me and apt has had many differences over the years. I wouldn't say that i I am a master of resolving some of the conflicts that may appear. |
| 18:48.40 | Bop | ,versions kernel |
| 18:48.41 | naequs | leave #debian |
| 18:48.42 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
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| 18:49.07 | johnny66 | jelly-home, "apt-get install -t ..." E: Version '2:1.10.2-1+wheezy' for 'xserver-xorg-core' was not found |
| 18:49.18 | jelly-home | Bop: perhaps you wanted /msg judd kernels |
| 18:49.24 | Bop | yeah |
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| 18:49.44 | nbettenh | I'm trying to grab the GPS coordinates from a serial connected gps. using gpspipe to dump the raw data I can then pipe it to an awk, but when I try to pipe it to a grep I get no output. If I remove that grep I get output again. |
| 18:49.56 | jelly-home | johnny66: is there such a version listed in apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core? |
| 18:50.03 | nbettenh | anyone have any idea why it's doing that? |
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| 18:50.31 | jelly-home | nbettenh: grep buffers input. man grep, search for --line-buffered |
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| 18:51.47 | johnny66 | jelly-home, 2:1.10.2-1+wheezy1 0; 500 http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages |
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| 18:52.19 | jelly-home | johnny66: is that a yes or a no |
| 18:52.41 | johnny66 | jelly-home, yes that is listed |
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| 18:52.54 | jelly-home | johnny66: incorrect. Can you spot the difference! |
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| 18:53.50 | johnny66 | jelly-home, wheezy1 --- ok so how do i resolve this? |
| 18:53.59 | jelly-home | johnny66: type in the correct version |
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| 18:54.34 | torak | somebody here knows where are a debian powerpc channel ? |
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| 18:54.46 | jordanm | !powerpc |
| 18:54.46 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:55.09 | torak | thanks buddy |
| 18:55.14 | johnny66 | jelly-home, Unmet deps: "libgl1-mesa-dev : Depends: libxext-dev but it is not going to be installed" ; "mesa-common-dev : Depends: libx11-dev but it is not going to be installed" |
| 18:55.51 | jelly-home | johnny66: aptitude can sometimes be smarter than apt at figuring out deps |
| 18:56.25 | jelly-home | johnny66: also you might or might not try using just =version, without the -t testing |
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| 18:56.56 | jelly-home | johnny66: if you don't need those pesky -dev packages, remove them first |
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| 19:02.51 | johnny66 | jelly-home, ok after skipping all dev packages and apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION} i'm now home safe! You have helped me before and again i'm very thankful! |
| 19:03.18 | jelly-home | what have I done |
| 19:03.45 | johnny66 | jelly-home, alot. |
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| 19:04.05 | snL20 | johnny66: the proprietary drivers are in the repos ? |
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| 19:05.04 | johnny66 | snL20, no |
| 19:05.09 | snL20 | johnny66: oh |
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| 19:17.28 | user999 | hello, The following packages will be upgraded: e2fsprogs initscripts But I dont upgrade it, how can i do? I use lenny. |
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| 19:21.49 | abrotman | user999: whoa .. |
| 19:22.07 | abrotman | !tell user999 about e2fsprogs loop |
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| 19:28.40 | user999 | thanks |
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| 19:33.48 | wmNaN | with pm-utils / pm-hibernate, how can I make it to ifdown / ifup a network interface on suspend / resume |
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| 19:34.10 | wmNaN | hibernate had a simple config file option for this |
| 19:34.29 | wmNaN | or maybe I'm supposed to write a shell script... |
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| 19:35.16 | mysticsilent | Hi there, i have an error when doing aptitude safe-upgrade. : Unable to resolve dependencies for the upgrade: no solution found. |
| 19:35.16 | mysticsilent | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:35.41 | sc30317 | mysticsilent, new installation? |
| 19:36.02 | wmNaN | mysticsilent, you could try a normal upgrade or whatever aptitude calls dist-upgrade |
| 19:36.16 | mysticsilent | nope, maybe messed something op when trying to install some programs? |
| 19:36.47 | sc30317 | what new programs have you installed before this issue occurred? |
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| 19:37.44 | mysticsilent | last programs installed : transmission + sabnzbdplus with aptitude no errors. Tried a Deb package of Spotlite what gave me errors. |
| 19:37.54 | adminewb | got the latest version of iceweasel & gtk-gnash for debian 6.0; Q: what should I do, if when gnash is enabled, opening a web browser tab to "shoutcast.com" causes all available memory & swap space to be consumed? -- at a steady rate of some 10-15MB/s... |
| 19:38.17 | wolfric | I deleted all files from /etc/ldap/slapd.d/ (which consisted of the config files and schemas etc for ldap). i then tried to do apt-get remove slapd and it keeps failing. The init script apparently fails (slapd isn't running). I've tried with -f but it hasn't made a difference. Can i forceably remove it anyway? |
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| 19:48.46 | wmNaN | could anyone confirm whether software suspend works in unstable? |
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| 19:49.57 | michael_ | suspend working depends on more than just working code. it all depends on the hardware. |
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| 19:50.38 | adminewb | mysticsilent, can you used dpkg instead? |
| 19:50.56 | adminewb | err, use |
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| 19:52.03 | wm4 | could anyone confirm if software suspend works in debian? (asked this shortly before, but then I crashed) |
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| 19:52.28 | ompaul | [20:49:56] <michael_> suspend working depends on more than just working code. it all depends on the hardware. |
| 19:52.32 | wolfric | 20:43 < michael_> suspend working depends on more than just working code. it all depends on the hardware. |
| 19:52.37 | wolfric | beat me to it :p |
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| 19:52.58 | michael_ | wm4, It all depends on what hardware you are using. |
| 19:53.10 | wm4 | ompau, wolfric: no, this is _software_ suspend |
| 19:53.20 | wm4 | as the name implies, it doesn't have anything to do with hardware |
| 19:53.29 | valdyn | wm4: haha |
| 19:53.39 | wm4 | of course drivers have to support it, but I know that they do with my hardware |
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| 19:53.58 | wolfric | wm4: why are you talking to me. say it to michael_ |
| 19:54.13 | ompaul | wm4: we gave the answer you had been given |
| 19:54.19 | wm4 | ompaul, wolfric yeah sorry :/ |
| 19:54.20 | ompaul | that you didn't see |
| 19:54.32 | wm4 | michael_: ^ |
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| 19:54.40 | wolfric | given that the answers are IDENTICAL though... lol |
| 19:54.59 | wm4 | wolfric: I thought you were trying to make a point or so heh |
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| 19:55.09 | valdyn | wm4: try it and see, theres nothing else to do |
| 19:55.19 | ompaul | it depends on your hardware |
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| 19:56.19 | michael_ | I have had issues with both software suspend and suspend from the kernel on two hp machines that are very close in hardware but the laptop can do it successfully and the older desktop will crash. |
| 19:56.26 | adminewb | got latest versions of iceweasel & gtk-gnash for debian 6.0; Q: what should I do, if when gnash is enabled, opening a web browser tab to "shoutcast.com" causes all available memory & swap space to be consumed? -- at a steady rate of some 10-15MB/s... |
| 19:56.32 | wm4 | valdyn: well, I have an old version of the uswsusp package... that one works. the new one in unstable used not to work, but if I try installing it to see if it does work, I'd lose the old package, of which I didn't save the .deb |
| 19:56.50 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 19:56.50 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 19:56.53 | valdyn | wm4: ^^ |
| 19:56.55 | jelly-home | adminewb: not use it? |
| 19:57.17 | adminewb | jelly-home, well then I need an alternate flash player ya? |
| 19:57.17 | wm4 | valdyn: awesome, thanks |
| 19:57.55 | jelly-home | adminewb: or use a music player for those stations |
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| 19:58.26 | jelly-home | they're all just, well, shoutcast mp3 or aac+ streams |
| 19:58.32 | adminewb | well the point is to be able to reliably access any online flash content, regardless of radio or what |
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| 19:59.02 | jelly-home | adobe flash if it's available for your architecture |
| 19:59.11 | adminewb | amd64 |
| 19:59.27 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell adminewb about flash amd64 |
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| 20:01.07 | adminewb | thanks jelly-home |
| 20:01.31 | adminewb | this would be considered beta grade then? |
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| 20:02.09 | jelly-home | maybe alpha |
| 20:02.48 | jelly-home | there have been a couple of security fixes in the i386 build since as well. Only enable Flash on sites you trust |
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| 20:03.49 | jelly-home | reminds me why I'm still running a 32bit userspace |
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| 20:04.44 | adminewb | would it be possible to run the i386 build of flash on an amd64 kernel? |
| 20:05.57 | jelly-home | yes but that's not the question you want to ask |
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| 20:06.26 | adminewb | I don't understand |
| 20:06.27 | jelly-home | I'm running an amd64 kernel right now, but evetrything else is 32bit |
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| 20:06.43 | adminewb | hmm |
| 20:06.47 | jelly-home | it's not the kernel that's important, it's your browser |
| 20:07.12 | adminewb | so to run a 32 & 64 bit userland at once, you need some chroot or something? |
| 20:10.48 | jelly-home | or wait until multiarch is implemented |
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| 20:13.23 | adminewb | I see, thanks jelly-home |
| 20:14.01 | jelly-home | !multiarch |
| 20:14.01 | dpkg | it has been said that multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem |
| 20:14.14 | jelly-home | well, it's _happening_ |
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| 20:16.46 | cfchris6 | where can I find older versions of the packages that are in testing? (I did an upgrade of some package which broke the database structure and would need to go back to an older version so I can use my backup) |
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| 20:17.52 | babilen | !tell cfchris6 -about snapshots |
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| 20:18.37 | cfchris6 | babilen: thx |
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| 20:19.13 | babilen | cfchris6: You might also be interested in the #debian-next channel over at irc.oftc.net which provides support specifically for users of testing/unstable |
| 20:19.18 | babilen | cfchris6: Good luck! |
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| 20:26.01 | mysticsilent | Hi all. problem solved for safe-upgrading with aptitude. I did : sudo dpkg --purge spotlite |
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| 20:37.31 | nardev_ | Hello. i have one string probably hash of md5 how can i use john the ripper just to try to guess that one string? I need something very simple |
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| 20:44.40 | thewanderer1 | nardev_: go to http://md5decrypter.com/ , enter your string, they compare it to their rainbow tables |
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| 20:44.58 | nardev_ | thewanderer1, thank you |
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| 20:48.06 | juso | What filesystem can I write to on windows and linux - fat32? |
| 20:48.36 | slaeshjag | juso: That would be the easiest way |
| 20:48.47 | juso | yeah its a USB drive, just want something simple |
| 20:48.53 | slaeshjag | juso: There is NTFS drivers for linux, but I wouldn't trust them |
| 20:49.31 | slaeshjag | For USB-drives where you need OSX/Windows/whatnot compatibility, FAT32 is usually the best choice |
| 20:50.43 | JohnWittle | slaeshjag: actually, if i may offer my counter opinion, ntfs-3g is fine and i would trust it in any situation where loss of human life were not a possibility |
| 20:50.47 | JohnWittle | it has improved tremendously |
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| 20:53.08 | jaakkos | oh, do report if you find problems with ntfs-3g, my company are the maintainers :) |
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| 20:55.08 | slaeshjag | jaakkos: eheh... I personally don't use it since I never have to care about windows compatibility. Those times I have used it, it worked okay. It's just something psycological that makes it feel like it shouldn't be stable x] |
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| 20:56.46 | grapsus | hi there |
| 20:56.57 | grapsus | I'm trying to package some java software |
| 20:57.22 | grapsus | and it has this ugly conguration file etc/localpaths.properties with paths to jar files |
| 20:57.47 | jaakkos | slaeshjag: yeah, well, since there are no real docs on ntfs, it's a result of reverse engineering. but it's very widely spread and tons of embedded manufacturers (NAS, set top boxes etc.) use it for USB HDD support |
| 20:57.48 | grapsus | what's the best way to set them up from debian/rules ? |
| 20:58.36 | slaeshjag | jaakkos: That whole thing of it being a result of reverse engineering makes it feel a bit wonky, yes |
| 20:58.50 | slaeshjag | jaakkos: But obviously, it's working x] |
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| 21:01.51 | mysticsilent | Hi all, i have tried to dist-upgrade a debian box to testing. I have errors with my initramfs-tools. I tried to remove initramfs-tools and gives me the following error: http://pastebin.com/rz6teS6d |
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| 21:02.25 | mysticsilent | I did not continue removing initramfs-tools btw |
| 21:03.10 | mysticsilent | When upgrading it gaves many errors : no space left on device.. |
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| 21:06.11 | mysticsilent | This is my pastebin file when safe-upgrading |
| 21:06.13 | mysticsilent | http://pastebin.com/VaAAdBbf |
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| 21:08.18 | webpigeon | mysticsilent: check you have enuph space? :P |
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| 21:08.41 | mysticsilent | how can i check from console? its a 80gb hd |
| 21:08.48 | webpigeon | although I thought /tmp was a ramdisk - could (and probably am) wrong |
| 21:09.05 | webpigeon | du ? |
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| 21:09.43 | mysticsilent | du ? doesnt work |
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| 21:10.09 | webpigeon | it was a question :P du is a command that allows you to see how big something is |
| 21:10.24 | Iridos | I just got an error "too many open files"... ulimit -n --> 1024 and lsof|grep " $USER "|wc -l --> 7198 how can I check the open files relevant for the limit? |
| 21:10.40 | mysticsilent | dirk@l2jserver:~$ du |
| 21:10.40 | mysticsilent | 16 ./.aptitude |
| 21:10.40 | mysticsilent | 36 . |
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| 21:12.37 | webpigeon | mysticsilent: try df -h sorry |
| 21:12.42 | Iridos | mysticsilent, didn't see your question... but ... "df -h"? |
| 21:13.19 | mysticsilent | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 21:13.19 | mysticsilent | /dev/sda5 872M 840M 0 100% / |
| 21:13.19 | mysticsilent | tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 21:13.19 | mysticsilent | tmpfs 202M 232K 202M 1% /run |
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| 21:13.34 | webpigeon | x.x |
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| 21:13.59 | mysticsilent | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 21:13.59 | mysticsilent | /dev/sda5 872M 840M 0 100% / |
| 21:13.59 | mysticsilent | tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 21:13.59 | mysticsilent | tmpfs 202M 232K 202M 1% /run |
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| 21:14.14 | webpigeon | mysticsilent: use pastebin |
| 21:14.24 | mysticsilent | sorry. do it again the right way |
| 21:14.46 | mysticsilent | http://pastebin.com/RyAGzLgf |
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| 21:15.17 | webpigeon | mysticsilent: but i can see from the bit before you got kicked that /dev/sda5 is full |
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| 21:15.48 | mysticsilent | but how is that possible ? i installed clean on a 80gb disk |
| 21:16.12 | npoektop | is it ok to use devicescan in smartd.conf? Why it's recommended to write options for all drives separately? |
| 21:16.21 | webpigeon | mysticsilent: that says that your root partition is only 800mb |
| 21:16.23 | Iridos | rm -rf /pr0n ? |
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| 21:16.32 | themill | mysticsilent: you're only using 800 MB of that dist, according to that output |
| 21:16.37 | mysticsilent | i installed using guided partitions |
| 21:16.45 | mysticsilent | use full disk |
| 21:16.47 | Iridos | oh... right |
| 21:17.03 | marsje | Hi all. Today I remotely rebooted my server. But while booting fsck found an error on the /var partition and halted the boot process and the server was not coming up again until I got home and kicked it. Is there a way to have fsck do the check, but instead of halting, continueing and informing me with an email or something? |
| 21:17.05 | webpigeon | it apprently did a pants job? :P |
| 21:17.13 | Monotoko | hi guys...don't suppose anyone can help me with my debian server and the firewall...I need iptables to allow the DNS service, is it both TCP and UDP? |
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| 21:17.33 | mysticsilent | how can i change the disk size when using running os? |
| 21:17.38 | mysticsilent | from console |
| 21:17.41 | themill | marsje: check /etc/default/rcS |
| 21:17.43 | mysticsilent | no kde installed |
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| 21:18.12 | Monotoko | mysticsilent, you mean the partition sizes? |
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| 21:18.15 | babilen | Monotoko: yes |
| 21:18.22 | mysticsilent | yes |
| 21:18.44 | Monotoko | mysticsilent, gparted is based on a console app called "parted" |
| 21:18.46 | webpigeon | ins't it rather... bad... do that that live? |
| 21:18.57 | syn4pse | nope |
| 21:19.09 | webpigeon | fair enuph then :P |
| 21:19.16 | mysticsilent | you suggest reinstalling over again? |
| 21:19.19 | syn4pse | fdisk or cfdisk are also fine to create partitions |
| 21:19.22 | marsje | themill: ah, it will fix everything automatically? any chance it will also notify me of what i did? |
| 21:19.40 | Monotoko | mysticsilent, no-one is suggesting that |
| 21:19.42 | syn4pse | <mysticsilent> no just unmount the drives ur working on |
| 21:19.53 | webpigeon | syn4pse: it's / |
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| 21:20.00 | Iridos | indeed... |
| 21:20.03 | themill | marsje: not that I know of. bootlogd might capture that output if you enable it but I've never tried |
| 21:20.09 | syn4pse | then use a live dvd/cd to accomplish the task |
| 21:20.36 | syn4pse | use soem linux like backtrack 5 that comes with all the tools you need ;) |
| 21:20.37 | Iridos | webpigeon, can be pretty difficult to even mount / ro... dunno about "bad"... I guess if you mount it ro, then reboot after resize should be ok? |
| 21:20.37 | themill | just doing a reinstall might be faster and easier |
| 21:20.48 | syn4pse | might be if its fresh installed |
| 21:21.12 | webpigeon | itchi: not sure, I always do it from a liveCD if i have to do anything to / |
| 21:21.21 | marsje | themill: what it does not sucks... fsck says it will log everything, but that will not work since /var is is the fs with the error and is not mounted... so it's just what's on the (25 line) screen... |
| 21:21.30 | marsje | themill: not=now |
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| 21:23.11 | Iridos | webpigeon, wrong nick... well... it _should_ work... but it's pretty problematic to mount / as read-only in multi-user... and if you have to boot into single-user, you might as well use a live-cd and not have to worry about things, I guess |
| 21:24.12 | webpigeon | Iridos, indeed |
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| 21:38.04 | mysticsilent | I'm going to reinstall the whole system thnx anyway for response guys. i appreacieate it |
| 21:38.44 | webpigeon | mysticsilent: wouldn't booting into a liveCD and resizing the partition be easier? |
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| 21:39.40 | cosenmarco | hi, I cannot apt-get update... it gets stuck while getting headers from ftp.debian.org. I'm running sid. Some known issues with mirror? |
| 21:40.03 | mysticsilent | yes but how can i do that? i tried booting live cd right now. it seems ive gotton all separate partitions |
| 21:40.43 | webpigeon | mysticsilent: what tool are you trying to use to resize the partition? |
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| 21:41.20 | mysticsilent | i dont know how to do that. I tried to open something in the restore option that sees all my partitions |
| 21:41.46 | webpigeon | Do you know what it's called? |
| 21:42.04 | mysticsilent | i already closed it. i check it again |
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| 21:42.41 | mysticsilent | you mean the debian installer cd right? |
| 21:42.51 | mysticsilent | or do i need to use other disc? |
| 21:43.04 | mysticsilent | i have some gparted on cd i think |
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| 21:43.25 | webpigeon | mysticsilent: i'm not sure what's on the debian installer disk off the top of my head, gparted would do |
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| 21:43.38 | mysticsilent | ok it boot it right now |
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| 21:44.06 | monkey | hi |
| 21:44.11 | webpigeon | monkey: helllo |
| 21:45.06 | webpigeon | mysticsilent: here's a guide to resizing with gparted http://gparted.sourceforge.net/larry/resize/resizing.htm it looks pretty old but looks like it's pretty much the same |
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| 21:46.02 | mysticsilent | ty webpigeon i will take a look at it right now |
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| 21:54.20 | adminewb | juso, if you're still looking for a cross platform USB flash based file system, you probably want FAT32; largely ntfs is meant for journaling, which causes inordinate wear on flash |
| 21:54.36 | cosenmarco | please, are there some known issues with ftp.debian.org ? I cannot update... error: Err http://ftp.debian.org sid Release.gpg |
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| 21:55.20 | mysticsilent | i figured out that i had a windows partition still on the drive. i removed the 2 partitions. Resized the sda3 partition from linux. now its replacing the linux boot partition to the left en resized it to 70 gb. i also changed size of the swap partition from 800mb to 10gb |
| 21:55.47 | themill | cosenmarco: you'd be better off using a closer mirror anyway. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 21:55.52 | mysticsilent | maybe i have to repair boot |
| 21:57.00 | cosenmarco | themill: i tried with ftp.it.debian.org but got the same behaviour |
| 21:57.22 | mysticsilent | i think it worked.. its booting right now |
| 21:57.40 | mysticsilent | no problems encountered |
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| 21:58.03 | webpigeon | mysticsilent: \o/ |
| 21:58.13 | mysticsilent | ty webpigeon ^^ |
| 21:58.23 | mysticsilent | now trying to safe-upgrade |
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| 21:58.51 | jhutchins_lt | mysticsilent: That's a rather ridiculous size for your swap. 2X RAM to 2G tapering to 1X @4G. |
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| 21:59.02 | jhutchins_lt | mysticsilent: Have you any idea how long it takes to swap 10G? |
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| 21:59.06 | BCMM | i've just installed stable on an eeepc 701. Things seem to be working fine, except that the touchpad does not click when tapped |
| 21:59.13 | BCMM | is there a way to fix that? |
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| 21:59.38 | jhutchins_lt | !eeepc |
| 21:59.39 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:59.39 | webpigeon | jhutchins_lt: the sun explodes first? :P |
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| 21:59.49 | mysticsilent | true.. i expected that question. din't think about it. do you suggest to resize it smaller? |
| 21:59.50 | linux2 | got a quick question. Is there a special thing I need to do to enable GLX on an Intel based graphics card? When I run glxinfo I just get: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig |
| 22:00.02 | jhutchins_lt | mysticsilent: Yes. |
| 22:00.21 | themill | cosenmarco: what does "getent hosts ftp.it.debian.org" return? |
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| 22:00.45 | BCMM | jhutchins_lt: by "i've just installed stable", i meant "i've just installed debian stable, removing Xandros in the process" |
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| 22:01.14 | cosenmarco | themill: 2001:1418:13:1::5 ftp.bofh.it ftp.it.debian.org |
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| 22:02.55 | jhutchins_lt | BCMM: Getting the touchpad working would fall under "Installation and configuration" above. |
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| 22:04.35 | Monotoko | when a user connects to SSH...can I have a message displayed before the login? |
| 22:04.44 | slaeshjag | yes |
| 22:04.54 | Monotoko | slaeshjag, how? |
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| 22:05.33 | jordanm | Monotoko: after login. /etc/motd |
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| 22:05.53 | slaeshjag | It's in nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 22:05.55 | Monotoko | jordanm, I know how to do it after...I just wanted one before |
| 22:05.56 | slaeshjag | The banner entry |
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| 22:06.06 | slaeshjag | woops |
| 22:06.06 | Monotoko | slaeshjag, thanks! I'l have a look now |
| 22:06.08 | slaeshjag | -nano |
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| 22:12.29 | Monotoko | slaeshjag, got it working, thank you :) |
| 22:12.42 | slaeshjag | :) |
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| 22:15.13 | allure | Hi... what should I google for when I want to enable extended logs on cups? I want to be able to monitor who prints what files... is that even possible? |
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| 22:16.46 | cosenmarco | themill: I have to go. Thank you anyway. |
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| 22:17.17 | webpigeon | allure: http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/ref-cupsd-conf.html "AccessLogLevel" maybe? |
| 22:18.52 | allure | webpigeon: thank you for the pointer! I will look into it |
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| 22:25.04 | dickweasel | hi, I have a dual monitor setup with two ancient CRTs hooked up through DVI-VGA adaptors to an nvidia geforce 7900GS. I can't seem to get them to work in any configuration other than both at the same resolution, by adding Option "TwinView" and Option "MetaModes" "1280×1024 1152×864" to xorg.conf |
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| 22:25.28 | dickweasel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.49 | dickweasel | could anyone help me make it behave itself? :) |
| 22:26.06 | dickweasel | i'm running openbox on debian |
| 22:26.21 | slaeshjag | dickweasel: Are you using nVIDIA's drivers or open souce ones? |
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| 22:26.43 | dickweasel | nvidia, i tried open source but i couldn't get the second display to work at all |
| 22:26.59 | arosen | For some reason my computer is binding on ipv6 ports only and not ipv4, any idea how to fix this? |
| 22:27.03 | slaeshjag | dickweasel: nVIDIA's configuration tool isn't half bad, you should try it |
| 22:27.22 | arosen | I've put alias net-pf-10 off; alias ipv6 off in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases but it didn't help |
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| 22:27.30 | dickweasel | the debian wiki said it was evil and would eat my xorg.conf |
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| 22:27.42 | dickweasel | i may be exaggerating, but it was quite stern |
| 22:28.05 | slaeshjag | dickweasel: I've never read the wiki, so I dunno. Backup your xorg.conf just in case |
| 22:28.14 | babilen | !tell dickweasel -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 22:28.24 | dickweasel | I'll give it a shot. thanks! |
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| 22:35.12 | sherl0ck | anyone got opinion on best system IDS - tripwire, ossec,aide,samhain???? |
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| 22:42.55 | antiwire | should I be worried about these? http://paste.debian.net/120594/ |
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| 22:45.28 | abrotman | is that it? |
| 22:45.52 | antiwire | so far |
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| 22:47.48 | DasEi | antiwire: doesn't look too bad, maybe fsck it |
| 22:48.34 | blackshirt | hello, no sound in my debian |
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| 22:52.16 | streuner_ | blackshirt: so that happend now, or did you have sound before? |
| 22:52.38 | [3]nertia | How would I list all services that are currently running? |
| 22:52.59 | streuner_ | dpkg, rcconf |
| 22:52.59 | dpkg | rcconf is a simple curses-based text user interface (TUI) frontend to <update-rc.d>, used to adjust the default <runlevel> configuration. See also <sysv-rc-conf>, <sysv-rc>. |
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| 22:53.26 | [3]nertia | Was that directed at me? |
| 22:53.30 | streuner_ | sure |
| 22:54.02 | [3]nertia | :/ |
| 22:54.13 | streuner_ | just run it, and you see what kind of daemons are running actually... |
| 22:54.38 | DasEi | [3]nertia: man ps, top, htop |
| 22:55.03 | [3]nertia | DasEi: I was hoping there was a command that *just* listed services running. Instead of having to "thumb through them" |
| 22:55.07 | [3]nertia | But I suppose |
| 22:56.03 | streuner_ | if you talking about services, are you talking about daemons or something else? |
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| 22:56.16 | DasEi | [3]nertia: ps -e |
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| 22:56.48 | DasEi | or pipe to a file for more comfortable browsing |
| 22:56.48 | [3]nertia | streuner_: Daemons, such as ftp, mysql, httpd, etc. |
| 22:56.56 | streuner_ | dpkg, services |
| 22:56.56 | dpkg | [services] To view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <update-rc.d>; or use ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ . The /etc/services file provides a port numbers list, which is updated from http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers and other sources. |
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| 22:58.28 | [3]nertia | Wth is kerneloops? |
| 22:58.42 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals kerneloops |
| 22:58.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kerneloops' by value (1): kerneloops. |
| 22:58.58 | streuner_ | dpkg, kerneloops |
| 22:58.58 | dpkg | kerneloops is a utility for collecting crash information (Linux kernel oops). The extracted signature is sent to kerneloops.org for statistical analysis. http://kerneloops.org/ |
| 22:59.22 | blackshirt1 | I have no sound after upgrade my debian, can somebody help me ?? |
| 22:59.23 | [3]nertia | dpkg, openbsd-inetd |
| 22:59.23 | dpkg | [3]nertia: are you using Windows? |
| 22:59.27 | [3]nertia | >_< |
| 22:59.46 | DasEi | [3]nertia: for daemons, it's ps aux |
| 22:59.54 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: so sound worked before? |
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| 23:00.27 | [3]nertia | And what is openbsd-inetd? |
| 23:00.29 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: yeah, it's work before... |
| 23:00.41 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: bascially sound is a kernel issue, what kind of kernel do you use (cat /proc/version)? |
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| 23:01.42 | [3]nertia | Thanks for the help |
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| 23:01.48 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: Linux version 2.6.39-2-686-pae (Debian 2.6.39-2) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.4.6 (Debian 4.4.6-3) ) #1 SMP Wed Jun 8 11:33:14 UTC 2011 |
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| 23:02.14 | bliket_ | how do I execute a command in ssh after opening an ssh connection? like "ssh -u user -p pass someserver.com&&ls"? |
| 23:02.20 | streuner_ | hm, that makes it more difficult than expected... |
| 23:02.39 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: what kind of kernel did you use before? |
| 23:03.13 | lolmatic | bliket_: man ssh |
| 23:03.15 | blackshirt1 | 2.6.32 version.. |
| 23:03.18 | DasEi | bliket_: after you logged in, just as you would in hostshell |
| 23:03.22 | streuner_ | b.a |
| 23:03.27 | bliket_ | wut wut wut |
| 23:03.32 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: ALSA or OSS4? |
| 23:03.42 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: 2.6.32 version |
| 23:04.12 | DasEi | bliket_: it may be of use to have root-permiision on the remote |
| 23:04.28 | bliket_ | er |
| 23:04.30 | bliket_ | wut |
| 23:04.33 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: soundsystem |
| 23:04.45 | bliket_ | iama confused person right now |
| 23:04.55 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: ALSA... based on wiki.debian.org/ALSA, we have try to use alsactl init and reboot, but still no sound |
| 23:04.56 | lolmatic | bliket_: type man ssh |
| 23:05.03 | bliket_ | man ssh |
| 23:05.08 | streuner_ | but ok, if you dont know what a soundsystem is, its prolly ALSA then |
| 23:05.11 | lolmatic | in your shell... |
| 23:05.18 | DasEi | bliket: you log in to a remote host : ssh user@ip ... |
| 23:05.22 | webpigeon | bliket_: in terminal. |
| 23:06.34 | DasEi | bliket_: like bliket@72.192.173.117 |
| 23:06.47 | bliket_ | i gotta use a keyfile right? |
| 23:06.52 | bliket_ | i cant just do a plaintext password |
| 23:06.53 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: well, its more complicated then, it could be a bug too in ALSA..., just check out troubleshooting in ALSA first |
| 23:07.02 | DasEi | bliket_: more safe, yes |
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| 23:07.11 | bliket_ | i dont care about being safe |
| 23:07.15 | bliket_ | i dont even use condoms |
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| 23:07.51 | DasEi | bliket_: then just avoid clear passwords |
| 23:08.13 | bliket_ | i guess i could put the keyfile on my webserver and wget it |
| 23:08.35 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: just google for your sound chipset, if its a bug, you are always able to use OSS4 |
| 23:08.42 | DasEi | bliket_: eve looked in the file /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? they could save a lot here |
| 23:08.48 | DasEi | r* |
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| 23:09.37 | DasEi | with ssh scp might be of interest, whole story ? |
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| 23:13.16 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys alsa |
| 23:13.17 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'alsa' by key (15 of 80): #debian alsa ;; #debian alsa 2.6 ;; #debian alsa for morons ;; #debian alsa-bork ;; #debian alsa26 ;; _default alsa26 ;; _default alsautils ;; alsa ;; alsa download #del# ;; alsa for azeem #del# ;; alsa-install ;; alsa26 #del# ;; alsaplayer ;; be alsa barbie ;; wine.alsa #del#. |
| 23:13.36 | blackshirt | streuner_: I think we use ALSA, |
| 23:13.41 | streuner_ | sure |
| 23:13.47 | blackshirt | yeah |
| 23:14.00 | themill | dpkg: tell streuner_ about msg the bot |
| 23:14.12 | blackshirt | I have configure linux-sound-base to use alsa |
| 23:14.23 | jetscreamer | lol@themill |
| 23:14.40 | jetscreamer | how do you get 15 mor out of 80 out of dpkg |
| 23:14.52 | jetscreamer | as in the next 15 o whatever |
| 23:14.55 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: nobody knows ;-) |
| 23:15.39 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro should :) (highlight highlight highlight) |
| 23:15.44 | blackshirt | streuner_: yeah, I'm sure we use ALSA |
| 23:15.47 | themill | jetscreamer: you don't. You go to http://ircbots.debian.net/search.php?q=alsa |
| 23:16.03 | streuner_ | but not here :-) |
| 23:16.05 | streuner_ | via dpkg |
| 23:16.28 | blackshirt | streuner_: I'm stuck here |
| 23:16.43 | streuner_ | the other thing would be, just imagine what kind of result we get if some factoid shows us everything... |
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| 23:17.06 | webpigeon | dpkg: 42 |
| 23:17.06 | dpkg | well, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 23:17.13 | abrotman | leave the bot alone |
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| 23:18.02 | streuner_ | blackshirt: we already gave you the answers to all options you have... |
| 23:18.40 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: this my card, from output $ lspci | grep Audio |
| 23:18.41 | blackshirt1 | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 23:18.48 | streuner_ | yeah, Intel |
| 23:18.57 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: thank's very much for help |
| 23:19.42 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: as we told you before, just google about your chipset, if its a bug in .39, you are only able to pray or just use another soundsystem |
| 23:19.57 | streuner_ | or you check out, if its not a PITA |
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| 23:21.41 | blackshirt1 | okey.. we have google too.. my sound card works great before upgrade, I think there are something buggy |
| 23:21.42 | jetscreamer | modprobe ac97 isn't needed anymore i take it.. that was like 3 years ago wasn't it |
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| 23:22.16 | jetscreamer | did we spam the alsacheck factoid? |
| 23:22.24 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: snd-intel-audio or whatever this module called supports plenty of chipsets... |
| 23:22.25 | DasEi | y |
| 23:22.53 | jetscreamer | yeah, just used to be a loooong time ago some module didn't get loaded.. |
| 23:23.08 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: not yet, i thought "dpkg listkeys alsa" gave us an advice |
| 23:23.31 | streuner_ | bit 80 results was too much |
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| 23:24.24 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: as jetscreamer already mentioned, just check out /msg dpkg alsacheck first, please. |
| 23:24.57 | themill | makes streuner_ try that |
| 23:25.33 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: oke, I will do that |
| 23:25.47 | streuner_ | themill: you wanna provoke me? :-) |
| 23:26.30 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: this output: I wish you would RTFM blackshirt1...what the mean ? |
| 23:27.07 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: nah, we want that you first check out, that it isnt a bug... |
| 23:27.14 | jetscreamer | it means the factoid is probably deprecated |
| 23:27.20 | themill | streuner_: check what out exactly? |
| 23:27.20 | jetscreamer | dpkg response |
| 23:27.20 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i don't know |
| 23:27.37 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: alsa checklist |
| 23:27.37 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 23:27.49 | streuner_ | themill: ^^^^ |
| 23:27.59 | themill | streuner_: now look at what you told blackshirt1 to do. |
| 23:28.01 | jetscreamer | yeah ok checklist |
| 23:29.00 | streuner_ | themill: dude, just scroll up, thats we told him 30 minutes before :-) |
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| 23:29.40 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: aplay works, but no sound |
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| 23:29.57 | themill | streuner_: last mention of "alsa checklist" was by dpkg 6 hours ago. |
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| 23:30.10 | jetscreamer | wasn't the idea for aplay to play sound? |
| 23:31.33 | themill | blackshirt1: have you double checked mixer levels since rebooting to the new kernel? They are often reset to strange values during that process as channels get renamed/renumbered etc. |
| 23:31.43 | jetscreamer | so what, upgraded kernel? see if the old one works?\ |
| 23:31.55 | jetscreamer | goes away again |
| 23:33.01 | streuner_ | btw, that wouldnt be a bad idea |
| 23:33.03 | blackshirt1 | themill: yeah, I have check it..and alsamixer showing that not muted.. |
| 23:33.32 | blackshirt1 | jetscreamer: the old kernel have been removed |
| 23:33.50 | streuner_ | dont remove working kernels, if not needed |
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| 23:35.45 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: I think, upgrade process has removed the old kernel.. |
| 23:35.53 | streuner_ | nah |
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| 23:35.59 | gnarface | which kernel version again? |
| 23:36.06 | streuner_ | upgrade processes never remove any kernel at all |
| 23:36.27 | streuner_ | he used .32 and now a sid kernel .39 pae |
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| 23:37.49 | blackshirt1 | 2.6.39-2-686-pae |
| 23:38.06 | gnarface | i'm not having any problems with that intel ac97 audio onboard audio thing in 2.6.39-2-amd64 for whatever its worht |
| 23:38.09 | gnarface | but i'm actually on sid |
| 23:38.13 | gnarface | is he? |
| 23:38.17 | blackshirt1 | I'm newbie here |
| 23:38.38 | streuner_ | judd, versions linux-kernel-2.6.39-2-686-pae |
| 23:38.39 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-kernel-2.6.39-2-686-pae' was found in i386. |
| 23:39.01 | gnarface | blackshirt1: there are plenty of driver issues with alsa. 99% of the time its either your mixer levels or your modprobe options though |
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| 23:39.13 | streuner_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=2.6.39-2-686-pae |
| 23:39.16 | streuner_ | its sid |
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| 23:40.19 | blackshirt1 | gnarface: how to solve that .. |
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| 23:40.39 | blackshirt1 | streuner_: I am using sid repository |
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| 23:42.28 | gnarface | blackshirt1: well you could try by first identifying which one it is by jack count and type, then check out this list to figure out which model= option is appropriate: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Hda |
| 23:43.40 | streuner_ | well, we told him that about 6 hourse and 30 minutes before, without success |
| 23:43.49 | streuner_ | s/hourse/hours/ |
| 23:43.52 | adminewb | a fresh installation of google-chrome-stable [12.0.742.100-r88853] on debian 6.0 amd64 doesn't work: when starting up, only result is an uninterruptable process that won't go away until reboot; ring any bells? |
| 23:44.19 | gnarface | damn |
| 23:44.51 | gnarface | adminewb: is that a debian package? |
| 23:44.52 | DasEi | adminewb: chromium-browser ? |
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| 23:45.25 | adminewb | yes it came from a *amd64.deb file |
| 23:45.43 | adminewb | not from the standard repositories though, it came from google |
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| 23:46.27 | jetscreamer | read the chip luke |
| 23:46.30 | DasEi | adminewb: I can't say for stable, as I use their ppa; start it from terminal to see error output, see htop to see it's PID to kill just that process to avoid rebboting.. |
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| 23:46.55 | adminewb | full package file name: google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb |
| 23:46.56 | blackshirt1 | gnarface: I think alsaconf has been removed from alsa-utils packages, http://wiki.debian.org/alsaconf |
| 23:47.01 | DasEi | adminewb: If the error output doesn't deliver hints, try to strace it |
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| 23:47.25 | adminewb | kill -9, end process, stop, continue, nothing affects the "uninterruptable" process |
| 23:47.46 | adminewb | DasEi, how's strace go? |
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| 23:47.59 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: the new factoid is <alsa checklist> ... |
| 23:48.07 | DasEi | adminewb: strace chromium-browser |
| 23:48.13 | adminewb | hmm |
| 23:48.55 | DasEi | adminewb: and killall chromium-browser as root doesn't bring it down ? |
| 23:48.59 | antiwire | can you guys point me to some docs about upgrading a kernel in debian and maybe the course of action for upgrading the kernel and the nvidia prop. drivers? |
| 23:49.07 | stew | DasEi: it wouldn't if its in the D state |
| 23:49.12 | adminewb | correct DasEi, nothing brings it down |
| 23:49.39 | stew | DasEi: when its in the D state, you have to wait for the IO its waiting on to complete |
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| 23:51.25 | adminewb | incidentally the bin file is /opt/google/chrome/chrome, I'm not finding a PPA for this build |
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| 23:51.57 | stew | adminewb: there are not PPAs for debian yet |
| 23:52.03 | adminewb | ok stew |
| 23:52.11 | stew | for any package, that is |
| 23:52.19 | adminewb | if ps -l is an indicator, those processes are in D state |
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| 23:53.48 | adminewb | looks as if I'd have to find a package for strace |
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| 23:54.23 | stew | its in the strace package |
| 23:54.34 | blackshirt1 | I have add user to audio groups, use alsamixer to setup, but still no sound..huffft :( |
| 23:54.43 | stew | my recommendataion would be to just stick to the chromium-browser pacakge in stable |
| 23:55.08 | stew | blackshirt1: does "groups" list audio? if you just added the user to the group, it would not affect already running sessions |
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| 23:56.01 | streuner_ | blackshirt1: did you logout and back in? :-/ |
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| 23:57.22 | adminewb | does someone want to look at my strace? |
| 23:57.29 | adminewb | pasting... |
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| 23:58.41 | gnarface | blackshirt1: maybe make sure your speakers are turned on :-p |
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| 23:58.55 | gnarface | blackshirt1: make sure you are plugged into the right hole too |
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| 23:59.42 | streuner_ | it would be more easier, if he would be able to just use the "old" kernel... |