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| 00:00.53 | error4o4 | i have maybe few hundred thousands of files inside a directory. I am having a hard time emptying that directory. 'rm' stalls, ' find .. -exec rm' is too slow, would need a month.. any idea? |
| 00:01.20 | streuner | error4o4: /j #bash |
| 00:01.38 | themill | error4o4: delete the directory itself? |
| 00:01.38 | error4o4 | streuner: i'll try there |
| 00:02.20 | adminewb | directories won't delete until they're empty, afaik |
| 00:02.21 | error4o4 | themill: i guess icould try that, btw its the /var/lib/php5 directory that holds the session files |
| 00:02.37 | tharkun | adminewb: -rf will do the trick |
| 00:02.48 | tharkun | everything is a file motto on that one |
| 00:02.49 | error4o4 | adminewb: yea, rm -rf but t rm-rf stalls because of too many files |
| 00:03.01 | themill | error4o4: "stalls"? |
| 00:03.02 | tharkun | error4o4: erase first a subset of all the files |
| 00:03.14 | ion_ | I know that my question is not a topic for this channel but I need a help ...so if anyone can point me out into the right direction I'll appreciate that ....where shall I learn to make dump analysis in Hex ...I don't want a tool but how to do it using just the dump program... |
| 00:03.16 | error4o4 | themill: freezes |
| 00:03.37 | thinice | do you have an idea of how big the dir is? |
| 00:03.43 | themill | error4o4: I'd be surprised if it were actually doing nothing |
| 00:03.51 | error4o4 | tharkun: cant even do a ls.. ls is doing in the background until its using up few GB of RAM |
| 00:04.05 | adminewb | o.o |
| 00:04.16 | error4o4 | themill: find .. -exec rm is removing them slowly.. checking with df -i rm -rf just freezes |
| 00:04.16 | thinice | what does df -i say ? |
| 00:04.29 | error4o4 | thinice: overall inodes usage |
| 00:04.35 | thinice | I know but like |
| 00:04.37 | themill | error4o4: -exec rm {} \; or -exec rm {} + ? |
| 00:04.38 | thinice | what %'s |
| 00:04.42 | thinice | numbers |
| 00:05.02 | error4o4 | thinice: 100% thats when i noticed the sessions were not deleted 100% on 9 000 000 limit |
| 00:05.08 | thinice | ouch |
| 00:05.18 | thinice | yea that's bound to be a bit slow |
| 00:05.40 | error4o4 | i guess with this tempo i'll clear up that directory by august |
| 00:05.42 | thinice | nohup it and let er buck |
| 00:05.43 | stew | 'find ... -delete' should be about as fast as you can go |
| 00:06.07 | stew | which should be roughly the same as -exec rm {} + (which is much faster than -exec rm {} ;) |
| 00:06.08 | error4o4 | stew: i think my find command doesnt support -delete |
| 00:06.20 | stew | error4o4: if you are on debian it does |
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| 00:06.22 | themill | stew: actually last time I tried that, -exec {} + was faster than -delete. stuffed if I know why. |
| 00:06.39 | thinice | find + xargs is best isn't it? |
| 00:06.43 | error4o4 | stew: i'll try again then |
| 00:06.45 | thinice | treat them as chunks? |
| 00:06.53 | error4o4 | thinice: xargs freezes |
| 00:07.05 | abrotman | freezes? or takes awhile to process ? |
| 00:07.07 | stew | thinice: look up the difference between + and ; |
| 00:07.19 | stew | and really -delete should be just as fast |
| 00:07.23 | themill | thinice: that's what "-exec ⦠{} +" does but without the overhead of the pipeline |
| 00:07.31 | thinice | ah ok |
| 00:07.41 | error4o4 | abrotman: looks like its not doing anything for a while, no files get deleted, where -exec is removing them but slowly |
| 00:07.48 | thinice | I'll start using that now o.o |
| 00:08.00 | stew | themill: for some things the | xargs can be faster if you can then end up making use of multi processors, i suppose, deleting files I'd not expect to be one of those things |
| 00:08.02 | tharkun | error4o4: how big is the rest of your filesystem? |
| 00:08.11 | themill | stew: yep |
| 00:08.26 | thinice | I'm kinda curious to how rm can use gigs of memory >.> |
| 00:08.27 | error4o4 | tharkun: used 50GB, 9 000 000 inodes |
| 00:08.46 | error4o4 | tharkun: its a vps |
| 00:09.15 | adminewb | someone know where it's documented, how to configure cpu voltage settings for powernowd? |
| 00:09.18 | ragnar76 | how can i start a program with iso-8859-1 instead oif utf-8? |
| 00:09.37 | tharkun | error4o4: I would do a backup of everything else and do a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/problematic_mount_point |
| 00:09.38 | error4o4 | thinice: not sure but seems like rm is first trying to list them all and then deleting them, maybe thats why it doesnt do anything |
| 00:09.57 | tharkun | error4o4: if you screw on the exact parameters There is no way back |
| 00:10.17 | error4o4 | tharkun: i rather do the slow way |
| 00:10.46 | tharkun | error4o4: your vps, your choice |
| 00:11.01 | tharkun | take a trip at #bash someone will gladly help you there |
| 00:11.14 | error4o4 | ok |
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| 00:13.29 | debugger | hello gentleman |
| 00:13.30 | debugger | im a happy debian user |
| 00:13.35 | debugger | and would love to become an op |
| 00:13.39 | debugger | after all these years |
| 00:13.39 | ujjain | How come my apt-get has topped trying to solve dependencies? |
| 00:13.47 | debugger | to serve my great distro |
| 00:14.05 | ujjain | You should first serve, then become op after months of serving. |
| 00:14.48 | adminewb | hmm, seems the xfce4 power manager is running things instead |
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| 00:15.19 | adminewb | that's probably why the nice processes count |
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| 00:15.52 | streuner | debugger: are you insane? have more trouble and more work? |
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| 00:16.10 | debugger | i might be insane |
| 00:16.16 | debugger | but no normal man |
| 00:16.17 | debugger | in history |
| 00:16.20 | debugger | has done a good job |
| 00:16.24 | themill | dpkg: tell debugger about enter |
| 00:16.31 | streuner | see |
| 00:16.38 | tequil0018 | hello everyone |
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| 00:17.02 | tequil0018 | i want to ask your help for a problem.... |
| 00:17.13 | tequil0018 | i want to change the ip of localhost |
| 00:17.23 | tequil0018 | any idea? |
| 00:17.33 | debugger | open /etc/hosts |
| 00:17.36 | tequil0018 | i have already edit /etc/hosts |
| 00:17.38 | streuner | localhost is 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:17.41 | tequil0018 | and nothing |
| 00:18.13 | streuner | by default, why do you want change it at all? |
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| 00:18.35 | tequil0018 | i have two vms in cloud |
| 00:18.45 | tequil0018 | and my services have localhost |
| 00:18.48 | tequil0018 | ip |
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| 00:19.40 | tequil0018 | so i want to make the localhost ip value of vm1 show the ip of vm2 |
| 00:20.00 | tequil0018 | and vice verca |
| 00:20.12 | tequil0018 | versa* |
| 00:20.14 | linuxman410 | does anyone know how to install firmware for intel 2200 wireless on commandline |
| 00:20.28 | streuner | dpkg, listvals 2200 |
| 00:20.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2200' by value (15 of 24): centrino ;; intel ;; ipw2100 ;; rfc1083 ;; rfc1100 ;; rfc1130 ;; rfc1140 ;; rfc1200 ;; rfc1250 ;; rfc1280 ;; rfc1600 ;; rfc1610 ;; rfc1720 ;; rfc1780 ;; rfc1800. |
| 00:20.47 | streuner | linuxman410: /msg dpkg ipw2100 |
| 00:21.20 | ragnar76 | tequil0018: afaik, the localhost ip is hardcoded into the ip stack and you will have some sirious trouble if it is another ip than 127.bla . some tools rely on it |
| 00:22.08 | beardy | You're doing it wrong.. configure each vm's (virtual) network interface, depending on what kind of vm and what kind of virtual network, on the same subnet, or two link networks. Then you can configure both hostnames and addresses in each vm's /etc/hosts. |
| 00:22.24 | linuxman410 | streuner i tried that no go |
| 00:23.03 | tequil0018 | aha.... |
| 00:23.03 | beardy | IPv4 localhost is always 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:23.07 | streuner | linuxman410: http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 doesnt help? |
| 00:23.11 | pipeline | beardy: nope |
| 00:23.19 | pipeline | beardy: the whole 127./8 block |
| 00:23.35 | beardy | pipeline: Yes. |
| 00:23.39 | tequil0018 | so if it is hardcoded |
| 00:23.45 | tequil0018 | what is /etchosts |
| 00:23.50 | tequil0018 | ? |
| 00:23.52 | pipeline | beardy: it is always 127.0.0.1 only by convention, but in theory it could be any IP address |
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| 00:24.10 | beardy | tequil0018: Read the manual, 'man 5 hosts'. |
| 00:24.13 | pipeline | ragnar76, tequil0018 : localhost *must* lie in 127.0.0.0/8. |
| 00:24.19 | beardy | pipeline: Yes already. |
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| 00:24.44 | pipeline | tequil0018: put the fqdn and short name with local NIC inside /etc/hosts... you can bind them either to 127.0.0.1 (alongside localhost) or the IP of a local NIC |
| 00:24.53 | pipeline | tequil0018: you must have a localhost entry, and it must be inside 127./8. |
| 00:25.02 | pipeline | tequil0018: you should have a hostname entry, and it can be 127.0.0.1 or not |
| 00:25.07 | ragnar76 | pipeline: i now that |
| 00:25.34 | ragnar76 | pipeline: but you can have 3 or 3 hostnames on 127. can't you? |
| 00:25.50 | pipeline | ragnar76: sure you can have multiple hostnames on 127. |
| 00:25.50 | tharkun | error4o4: Is your php server still up and running? You might as well stop it and fix your isue first |
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| 00:25.59 | pipeline | ragnar76: it's up to you whether to bind the hostname to 127. or to a NIC IP |
| 00:26.09 | pipeline | ragnar76: I much prefer the latter myself |
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| 00:26.33 | ragnar76 | pipeline: latter? |
| 00:26.49 | error4o4 | tharkun: i tried stopping it and then removing the files, but still the same.. so its no problem do have it running and do a find -cmin +$SESSMAXLIFETIME |
| 00:27.04 | mightym | hey guys, can someone explain to a llinux/debian newbie how to start and kill a script after some time via cronjob? |
| 00:27.16 | beardy | ragnar76: His second alternative. |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | start and kill ? |
| 00:27.50 | pipeline | ragnar76: binding the hostname to the nic ip in /etc/hosts, rather than to 127. |
| 00:28.10 | mightym | well how to start a script i read so far, but f.e. to kill the process after 60 seconds |
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| 00:28.25 | nyov | mightym: have the script kill itself or use a pid file |
| 00:28.38 | abrotman | mightym: perhaps you want #bash ? |
| 00:28.48 | tharkun | error4o4: rm in batches aaaa* then aaab* and so on so you are buying yourself space and time and not overflowing the I/O buffer |
| 00:29.02 | tequil0018 | is possible to wright a script and riderect localhost |
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| 00:29.10 | tequil0018 | ? |
| 00:29.42 | abrotman | english ? |
| 00:29.43 | pipeline | tequil0018: stop barking up this tree, whatever you have in mind is terrible. What is the real problem you're trying to solve ? |
| 00:29.45 | tharkun | !tell tequil0018 about rute |
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| 00:30.08 | msorrenti | hey guys, I'm trying to kill a session group |
| 00:30.25 | msorrenti | I have three processes with SID (example) 1234 |
| 00:30.34 | msorrenti | two started by local user, one started by root |
| 00:30.36 | error4o4 | tharkun: i guess i could try something like that, its just that those filenames have very different names.. sess_2agss33 sess_f2gdfg ...etc |
| 00:30.44 | ragnar76 | mightym: maybe a >>> app & sleep 60 & kill app <<< would help |
| 00:30.48 | linuxman410 | i tried to install debian wheezy netinstall and it said no kernel modules found |
| 00:30.51 | msorrenti | sudo kill 1234 kills the parent process (with pid 1234) but the other two still live. what gives? |
| 00:31.34 | streuner | linuxman410: just try a stable d-i (debian-installer) |
| 00:31.35 | tharkun | error4o4: do a loop, any other solutions would mean more risks involved |
| 00:31.50 | error4o4 | tharkun: ok, thanks |
| 00:31.58 | tharkun | error4o4: gl |
| 00:32.09 | tequil0018 | i want to change localhost ip from 127.0.0.1 to 10.10.10.3 |
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| 00:32.14 | linuxman410 | streuner what do you mean |
| 00:32.22 | abrotman | tequil0018: no, you don't |
| 00:32.25 | streuner | linuxman410: beta d-i's are usually daily-build, so they have usually issues |
| 00:32.48 | ragnar76 | tequil0018: you will not |
| 00:33.12 | stew | tequil0018: why do you want to change the localhost ip? why not just assign this address to a different interface? |
| 00:33.39 | stew | tequil0018: or what problem would be caused by having 127.0.0.1 be localhost? |
| 00:33.48 | tharkun | !gr |
| 00:33.48 | dpkg | Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el (irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net). For help in Greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el (irc.oftc.net or irc.freenode.net). |
| 00:34.02 | nyov | changing localhost to something else than 127.0.0.1 should only be done by people wishing to paint their hostname and root passwort on a hot-air balloon |
| 00:35.01 | linuxman410 | streuner do i use gedit to add non free to sources.list |
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| 00:35.22 | streuner | linuxman410: nano is default in Debian... |
| 00:35.31 | tharkun | linuxman410: if you have root privilidges for gedit you can, else not |
| 00:35.33 | ragnar76_ | hups, that was my 24/h disconnect :( |
| 00:35.45 | tequil0018 | ok thanks |
| 00:35.49 | tequil0018 | i understand |
| 00:36.19 | tequil0018 | i have "just" to change the whole project.... |
| 00:36.21 | tequil0018 | :S |
| 00:36.36 | tequil0018 | thanks for your help.. |
| 00:36.37 | tequil0018 | :D |
| 00:36.37 | stew | tequil0018: perhaps you could add 10.10.10.3 as an additional localhost address, but I cannot imagine why you would not want 127.0.0.1 to be a localhost address |
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| 00:41.20 | nyov | tequil0018: what are you trying to achieve, anyway? |
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| 00:42.34 | tequil0018 | i have two vm |
| 00:42.40 | tequil0018 | in cloud |
| 00:43.04 | tequil0018 | and my services have localhost as ip |
| 00:43.36 | tequil0018 | and i want vm1 localhost point ip vm2 |
| 00:43.38 | nyov | tequil0018: what services? why do they need localhost? |
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| 00:46.42 | tharkun | tequil0018: if you have two vps the way to comunicate among them is to use local ips or public ones not through localhost. Some programs interpret localhost as a unix socket located on the local filesystem |
| 00:46.44 | tequil0018 | web services |
| 00:46.46 | stew | tequil0018: what does "have localhost as ip" mean? |
| 00:46.51 | Jef91 | how to I display what groups a give user is apart of from the cli? |
| 00:46.51 | nyov | tequil0018: i believe you want some kind of failover mechanism? |
| 00:47.02 | tharkun | grep user /etc/group |
| 00:47.22 | stew | tequil0018: and what does "vm1 localhost point ip vm2" mean? can you explain these in more detail? |
| 00:47.40 | tequil0018 | when i run it local |
| 00:47.49 | tequil0018 | i have 2 projects |
| 00:47.49 | tharkun | what are you running local? |
| 00:47.56 | tequil0018 | of webservices |
| 00:48.10 | stew | what? |
| 00:48.16 | tequil0018 | and run it in the same apache |
| 00:48.38 | tequil0018 | so i have http://localhost:8080/axis2... |
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| 00:51.47 | tequil0018 | and now i have two projects two vms |
| 00:51.51 | tequil0018 | two ips |
| 00:52.21 | tequil0018 | but all of them have the same http://locahost:8080... |
| 00:52.29 | stew | so change that |
| 00:52.42 | stew | use http://somethingelse:8080/axis2 |
| 00:52.43 | tequil0018 | it's too many |
| 00:52.48 | tequil0018 | and tooooo late |
| 00:52.52 | tequil0018 | :S |
| 00:53.50 | tharkun | tequil0018: Better start now than later. Editors have some nice find/replace facilities now a days |
| 00:54.09 | error4o4 | here a script for those who might need a Inodes usage alert http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=910247 |
| 00:54.38 | tequil0018 | i now |
| 00:54.50 | tequil0018 | but i have to run again bpail |
| 00:54.57 | tequil0018 | bpel* |
| 00:55.00 | tequil0018 | juddi |
| 00:55.10 | tequil0018 | axis2 |
| 00:55.16 | tequil0018 | etc... |
| 00:55.21 | tequil0018 | :P |
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| 00:56.10 | abrotman | !enter |
| 00:56.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:56.17 | nyov | I still don't really get it, but oh well =D |
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| 00:58.31 | stew | nyov: he has hardcoded urls all over the place that all point to localhost, and now he wants to move some of these services to some other machine, so instead of changing the urls, he wants to change the meaning of "localhost" to no longer actually be localhost, but some other host |
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| 00:58.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew: ... dear good |
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| 00:59.24 | daemonkeeper | .oO( Sounds feasible ) |
| 00:59.30 | beardy | Deer goods. |
| 00:59.48 | juso | when I rsync a large file to external drive, and cancel it - the temp file was removed? how can I make it not do that and continue later |
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| 01:00.22 | nyov | stew: i rather thought he wanted to access similar services from both machines through the same 'hostname'... might need a 'proxy' deciding based on url |
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| 01:00.53 | nyov | or using reasonable vhosts |
| 01:01.09 | error4o4 | good night |
| 01:01.43 | pipeline | juso: rsync --inplace |
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| 01:03.25 | juso | pipeline, thanks |
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| 01:05.49 | tharkun | a Reverse proxy might be a solution. But fixing the hardcoded stuff is definetly the best way to go. |
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| 01:10.30 | navi_ | I just did a dpkg-reconfigure locales and removed a couple from the list. How can I now remove the old generated files for these? |
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| 01:14.45 | abrotman | !localepurge |
| 01:14.50 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 01:16.00 | karlpinc | navi_: I would have thought that would happen automatcially, but that's just me. You could use "locate" to find the generated files and then look to see if they're gone. |
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| 01:16.28 | navi_ | karlpinc: /usr/share/i18n/locales seems to still contain loads of old locales |
| 01:16.44 | navi_ | karlpinc: It seems the generate function regenerages and replaces, but doesn't purge them |
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| 01:17.58 | karlpinc | navi_: It sounds dangerous but I suppose you could just delete everything and then do something (reinstall? dpkg-reconfigure?) to regenerate the installed ones. (This sounds like a job for the bug tracking system....) |
| 01:18.25 | navi_ | karlpinc: I don't think they're causing me that much disk filling that I'd risk that |
| 01:18.36 | karlpinc | navi_: Me either. |
| 01:18.45 | navi_ | karlpinc: A previous idiot admin decided to set 'All Locales' ticked |
| 01:19.16 | karlpinc | navi_: I think the lenny release notes describe the fragmenting of the various locales into different pieces. Maybe there's more info there?? |
| 01:19.16 | navi_ | karlpinc: So I just unchecked that and chose the ones we needed, so I have all the useless ones sat there |
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| 01:19.43 | karlpinc | navi_: Are there packages that can be purged? |
| 01:19.52 | navi_ | karlpinc: Huh? |
| 01:20.19 | navi_ | karlpinc: The packages are fine, we just have hundreds of locale files now. |
| 01:20.30 | tharkun | navi_: there is this localepurge which has as description "Reclaim disk space removing unneeded localizations" |
| 01:20.40 | karlpinc | navi_: Yeah, hunh. I'm just dumping my brain -- in case the different locales are somehow in different packages. |
| 01:21.02 | tharkun | it worked for me. Saved me a couple hundred of MB |
| 01:21.31 | nyov | navi_: fwiw, i can't remember _ever_ having generated all locales but also got a long listof locale files in that folder, are you sure they are from 'locales'? |
| 01:22.40 | caoxiaomin_ | what |
| 01:23.00 | nyov | ok I just searched, and yes - they belong to locales :o |
| 01:23.05 | navi_ | sorry, I mean /usr/share/locale |
| 01:23.12 | navi_ | that has a dir for each locale |
| 01:23.39 | navi_ | well, both of those dirs |
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| 01:25.02 | navi_ | Never mind, I'll just write it off as a non issue because 'the OS won't be looking at those files so shouldn't cause perf issues' and 'uses minimal disk space' and 'may cause issues when removed'. |
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| 01:27.51 | nyov | humm I have locales from 2008 in there |
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| 01:31.00 | Vasistha | is there an easy way to command aptitude to re-download and save all the packages that are installed on my system? |
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| 01:31.37 | linuxman410 | i am trying to net install wheezy but it says no kernel modules found should i continue without them |
| 01:33.37 | linuxman410 | can any one answer |
| 01:33.58 | nyov | apt-get install localepurge; localepurge; Total disk space freed by localepurge: 539396 KiB :O |
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| 01:36.41 | linuxman410 | need help installing wheezy |
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| 01:39.00 | nyov | linuxman410: I don't have much knowledge on d-i, but whatever are you trying that asks for kernel modules? |
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| 01:40.07 | linuxman410 | nyou i am trying to do a netinstall of wheezy but it says no kernel modules found can i continue without them |
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| 01:41.32 | abrotman | you can try |
| 01:41.38 | nyov | linuxman410: wheezy is testing, so as I see, streuner already suggested you use a stable/squeeze installer. or try your luck |
| 01:41.45 | linuxman410 | nyov i am trying to do a netinstall of wheezy but it says no kernel modules found can i continue without them |
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| 01:42.23 | linuxman410 | nyov i tried debian 6 but could not get wireless working |
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| 01:42.28 | Rajko | how do i revert to non-dependency based booting |
| 01:43.04 | nyov | linuxman410: sure you can try. but you can also install squeeze and do an upgrade to wheezy from there |
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| 01:43.15 | nyov | Rajko: you can't |
| 01:43.36 | abrotman | Rajko: look at the docs for sysvrc IIRC or maybe insserv |
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| 01:44.26 | nyov | well if abrotman says you can, rather believe him ;) |
| 01:44.45 | s3a | Does LVM have two /boot directories (One in the logical volume group and one out of the volume group)? I ask because I can still cd /boot and look around while /boot is unmounted. I know it's not a screw-up on my part. Could someone please satisfy my curiosity? |
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| 01:46.48 | Rajko | checking if its safe to convert to dependency based boot |
| 01:46.48 | Rajko | failed |
| 01:46.53 | Rajko | but its already at dependency based boot |
| 01:46.55 | Rajko | lol |
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| 01:50.52 | nyov | s3a: lvm certainly has no boot directories 'out of the volume group'. I'm not sure what you're asking there |
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| 01:52.05 | s3a | nyov, maybe, i am not expressing myself correctly but I know it has to be like this so that it can boot. if you look at gparted, you will see "lvm stuff" and /boot |
| 01:52.54 | Vasistha | alright, so I have a list of all the packages and versions I have installed, but how to download them all? Also I don't know how to predict whether a package will be an _i386.deb or _all.deb |
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| 01:53.39 | abrotman | Vasistha: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 01:54.31 | Vasistha | abrotman: install debian on a computer that doesn't have net access. I have another computer that has all the packages installed that I want ... but I guess it wasn't keeping all the debs cached. |
| 01:54.53 | s3a | abrotman, why not get a debian dvd iso and burn it and then use that as a mirror instead of the internet? |
| 01:54.59 | s3a | Vasistha not abrotman |
| 01:55.19 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 01:55.19 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 01:55.42 | nyov | s3a: so you have a physical /boot partion off of the LVM pv but also a /boot directory in your /-LV ? |
| 01:55.47 | Vasistha | thanks, abrotman, I'll try it |
| 01:56.06 | Vasistha | s3a: truth be told I don't want to do such a big download, it would take a very long time |
| 01:56.07 | s3a | nyov, i'm asking if i have a /boot in my volume group. i know i have one outside of it |
| 01:56.28 | s3a | nyov, i came to that conclusion based on the fact that i can cd when /boot is umounted. |
| 01:56.42 | s3a | Vasistha, what abrotman said works then and you don't have to download much |
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| 01:57.23 | s3a | Vasistha, i alwways just download dvd isos and install with that and have the dvd for emergency cases if my internet goes away |
| 01:57.30 | Vasistha | s3a: that's true, but I would still rather like to figure out how to do it my way. I already have a script to create a trivial repo, and it would be nice to only be able to choose from the 150 packages that are installed on this other computer. |
| 01:57.56 | s3a | Vasistha, i don't fully understand what you are trying to do your way |
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| 01:57.57 | Vasistha | it's so nice to have a short list in aptitude of only the packages I want! |
| 01:58.07 | nyov | s3a: that would be a /boot folder on your root partition then, maybe you installed a kernel or something while the real /boot it was unmounted? |
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| 01:58.33 | s3a | nyov, i did exactly that |
| 01:58.43 | s3a | nyov, what does it mean though. i have 2 boots? |
| 01:58.59 | bdfoster | hey. got a few servers that I am migrating from one network to another. they were configured via dhcp on the old network as well as the new one (various reasons why we do this). anyway, I can't get the servers to talk to the new dhcp server (pfSense) so they still have the old IP from the other network. how do I correct this? |
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| 01:59.24 | Vasistha | s3a: oh, it's easy: so I have my computer which I'm using right now, connected to the internet, I install all kinds of things on it from aptitude. I save all my debs in /var/cache/apt/archives. Then I have a script that I run that converts that archives folder into a deb repo. I copy it onto a pen drive, install the gpg key into apt-key on the disconnected machine, and then aptitude works great with no back-and-forth |
| 02:00.33 | abrotman | Vasistha: why doesn't the other computer have net access ? |
| 02:00.39 | s3a | i don't know how to deal with your dep repo but i guess apt-get install -d package on the computer with internet would work followed by putting it in it's own /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 02:00.55 | Vasistha | abrotman: security paranoia, doing development work on there that I don't want to be stealable |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | uh okay |
| 02:01.56 | s3a | Vasistha, i think debian locks everything by default from the outside world. you can use debian stable which focuses on security. |
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| 02:02.31 | s3a | You don't have to be paranoid with debian stable but if you persist, basically the apt-get install -d and /var/cache/apt/archives thing would work. is there another problem? |
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| 02:03.14 | Vasistha | s3a: I know. but this is what we do. and I think I am going to use apt-get install -d, I'll see if that works for already-installed packages. if so that's exactly the answer I was looking for |
| 02:03.32 | nyov | s3a: you just umount /boot and the remove the /boot folder on your / (root) partition, or move it to /boot2 and copy it over once you mounted the real /boot |
| 02:03.37 | s3a | Vasistha, it won't but if i'm correct, i remember a way to force it to download anyway |
| 02:03.47 | s3a | i remember seeing that there was a way i mean |
| 02:04.22 | s3a | nyov, for this i have to be on a live cd? |
| 02:04.34 | s3a | because i can't touch root while the comp is running, right? |
| 02:05.01 | adminewb | cpufreq_* kernel 2.6.x modules offer a nice interface for cpu clock control on the fly, but how about corresponding core voltage control? I'm having no luck finding docs for powernowd's supposed Vcore capability, someone know of other means? It may be ok if they're architecture or platform specific. |
| 02:05.10 | Vasistha | s3a: yeah, it says "zlib1g is already the newest version." and sits there and doesn't download it. |
| 02:05.27 | s3a | Vasistha, wait. if i find a way, i'll tell you. |
| 02:05.37 | Vasistha | s3a: thanks, that would be awesome! |
| 02:05.43 | nyov | s3a: sure you can, /boot is only used on, well, boot |
| 02:06.10 | s3a | nyov, o wait, it makes sense. 2 secs |
| 02:06.16 | nyov | s3a: you'll have to keep the mountpoint though |
| 02:06.53 | nyov | s3a: (empty /boot folder with the right permissions) |
| 02:07.16 | bdfoster | my guess is that it would have to do with booting the old leases but not sure how to do that |
| 02:07.26 | abrotman | Vasistha: apt-get --download-only --reinstall install foo |
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| 02:07.52 | Vasistha | abrotman: ah, perfect, thank you! |
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| 02:10.51 | s3a | Vasistha, or shorter: apt-get -d --reinstall install package (it's thanks to abrotman but just shortening the command for you) |
| 02:11.12 | adminewb | cpu core voltage control, perhaps through sysfs, anyone? |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | oh jesus ... Vasistha can read a man page to find the short form |
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| 02:11.28 | bdfoster | hey. got a few servers that I am migrating from one network to another. they were configured via dhcp on the old network as well as the new one (various reasons why we do this). anyway, I can't get the servers to talk to the new dhcp server (pfSense) so they still have the old IP from the other network. how do I correct this? |
| 02:11.48 | s3a | abrotman, well it doesn't see the problem with saying it |
| 02:12.07 | Vasistha | s3a: thanks -- I'm doing something more like dpkg --get-selections | grep -v 'deinstall$' | while read ... la-de-la figure out if I already have it rather than redundantly downloading, make a list and check it twice, whatever :-) |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | bdfoster: you ran dhclient .. and it keeps the old one ? |
| 02:12.19 | bdfoster | yep |
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| 02:12.21 | nyov | bdfoster: they might have had long lease times? |
| 02:12.35 | bdfoster | anyway I can get rid of the lease? |
| 02:12.54 | abrotman | dhclient -r |
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| 02:13.03 | abrotman | that will release the lease it had ... |
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| 02:13.27 | abrotman | but if the system has been rebooted, it shouldn't still have the old IP |
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| 02:14.32 | adminewb | should I be checking ##linux? |
| 02:14.38 | s3a | nyov, isn't the simplest solution to just remove /boot from root and rm -rf the real /boot and then do update-grub? |
| 02:14.55 | s3a | update-grub has to be done while /boot is mounted, right? |
| 02:15.04 | nyov | s3a: yes |
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| 02:15.21 | nyov | s3a: and update-initramfs |
| 02:15.49 | s3a | what's an "initramfs image"? |
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| 02:16.33 | adminewb | hmm |
| 02:17.03 | syntaxx | hi i am wondering if its possible to install a .deb without the pre-configuration questions? |
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| 02:20.24 | bdfoster | abrotman, whoops that was the one with ZNC on it lol |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | syntaxx: you could unpack it manually |
| 02:20.38 | bdfoster | anyway... didnt work |
| 02:21.14 | abrotman | are both dhcp servers on the same network ? |
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| 02:21.28 | bdfoster | negative... two seperate networks |
| 02:21.34 | abrotman | same physical network .. sorry |
| 02:22.09 | bdfoster | seperate physical networks as well |
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| 02:25.33 | peterrooney | Vasistha: i fear an awk kludge is in my future. |
| 02:25.36 | Vasistha | Raptors: logs are in /var/log |
| 02:25.45 | Raptors | Where under log? |
| 02:25.55 | Raptors | messages didn't say anything useful |
| 02:26.03 | deniz_ | nyov, more issues occured that force me to use a live cd |
| 02:26.04 | Quite | awk will probably do it |
| 02:26.40 | Quite | i used it a lot before i moved on to perl |
| 02:26.45 | Vasistha | Raptors: the only ones I'd be inclined to look at would be boot, kern.log, daemon.log, messages, syslog |
| 02:26.51 | Vasistha | Raptors: maybe not daemon |
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| 02:26.54 | bdfoster | abrotman, they have the same broadcast, netmask, ip range, etc... which is why it still kinda works |
| 02:27.21 | Vasistha | peterrooney: or you could just write a C program |
| 02:27.35 | tequil0018 | any good idea for monitoring tomcat??? |
| 02:27.37 | tequil0018 | :) |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | ask #tomcat |
| 02:28.11 | Quite | only uses C for performance reasons nowadays |
| 02:28.29 | syntaxx | abrotman, good idea |
| 02:28.35 | Vasistha | Raptors: lockups are most often caused by physical electrical shorts in your hardware (think excessive dust, loose plugs/wires, etc) or by unstable device drivers |
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| 02:29.15 | Quite | or sheer hardware failure |
| 02:30.26 | lautarus | hi, how to remove with apt ffmpeg without your dependencies? |
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| 02:30.53 | abrotman | bdfoster: look in /var/lib/dhcp or dhcp3 .. |
| 02:30.56 | lautarus | I try apt-get remove ffmpeg, but apt would remove my dvdstyler dvdwizard lxdvdrip |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | where did you get ffmpeg ? |
| 02:31.58 | bdfoster | abrotman, delete the file, service networking restart? |
| 02:31.59 | Vasistha | alright, now I've got all those downloaded, how to ensure they don't get deleted... |
| 02:32.08 | abrotman | dbatbold: is this RH ? |
| 02:32.12 | adminewb | cpu core voltage control, perhaps through sysfs, anyone? |
| 02:32.15 | lautarus | debian-multimedia.org abrotman |
| 02:32.49 | abrotman | bdfoster: maybe move the file .. not delete it |
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| 02:37.13 | Quite | sure |
| 02:37.48 | lautarus | stew, what 'other way' ? you say. |
| 02:38.01 | Quite | dvdstyler depends on ffmpeg |
| 02:38.15 | lautarus | yes Quite of course |
| 02:38.16 | Quite | at least it sounds more likely |
| 02:38.24 | lautarus | yes |
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| 02:38.29 | Quite | but you never know ;) |
| 02:38.39 | lautarus | indeed, i make 1 apt-get unmarauto dvdstyler? |
| 02:38.42 | stew | lautarus: if dvdstyler declares a dependency on ffmpeg, you can't have dvdstyler installed without an ffmpeg package installed |
| 02:38.47 | stew | lautarus: no, that won't help |
| 02:39.10 | lautarus | the problem is: i wish compile ffmpeg-svn |
| 02:39.32 | allan8904 | hi, i have hardware accelerated flash on ubuntu, and i was trying to get it working on debian, is there any special things i need to do to get it to work? |
| 02:39.33 | stew | lautarus: have you ffmpeg-svn declare a Provides: ffmpeg |
| 02:39.54 | stew | lautarus: which will work unless you have some package which depends on a particular version of ffmpdg |
| 02:39.57 | stew | ffmpeg* |
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| 02:40.33 | lautarus | dvdstyler depends on ffmpeg |
| 02:40.39 | stew | yes |
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| 02:41.00 | lautarus | here is my dilema, with dvstyler |
| 02:41.00 | stew | lautarus: so when you create your ffmpeg-svn package, have it declare that it Provides: ffmpeg |
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| 02:41.24 | lautarus | i dont know, I dont make svn yet |
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| 02:41.32 | stew | then don't remove ffmpeg yet |
| 02:41.38 | luisgbp11 | Hello! |
| 02:41.42 | lautarus | aham |
| 02:41.48 | nyov | !tell lautarus -about uupdate |
| 02:42.06 | stew | or perhaps equivs |
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| 02:42.31 | lautarus | i dont understand nyov :( |
| 02:42.33 | stew | if uupdate works, that's certainliy better |
| 02:42.57 | lautarus | uupdate ? what is this, i dont knew it |
| 02:43.11 | stew | lautarus: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 02:43.31 | lautarus | i dont use dpkg yet |
| 02:43.59 | stew | lautarus: dpkg is a bot that just sent you information about uupdate in irc |
| 02:44.48 | lautarus | oh the bot, of course, i will read again |
| 02:44.55 | lautarus | above... |
| 02:45.19 | abrotman | bdfoster: any better? |
| 02:45.46 | bdfoster | negative... |
| 02:46.07 | bdfoster | it's something else that's going on... |
| 02:46.18 | nyov | bdfoster: are you certain it's not something on the server side? |
| 02:46.38 | bdfoster | I'm looking but unfamiliar with pfsense |
| 02:47.05 | nyov | bdfoster: maybe get a network capture |
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| 02:49.07 | thepro4ever | how do i install the man pages for standard c functions |
| 02:49.20 | chocolate1123 | o man |
| 02:49.25 | thepro4ever | like i want to do, man sprintf |
| 02:49.32 | thepro4ever | but i have no man entry for it |
| 02:50.25 | KTL | i am running debian wheezy, i need to urgently run a virtual machine in virtualbox, but i can not install the required virtualbox-ose-dkms. aptitude complains with lines like "libqt4-qt3support: Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4:4.6.3-4) but 4:4.7.3-1 is to be installed." and the "solution" it gives is removing about half the installed system. what can i do? |
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| 02:51.59 | dvs | thepro4ever: aptitude install manpages-dev |
| 02:52.18 | pzn | I have 2 connections to internet. one in my machine, the other is a 3G modem in other machine. can I add 2 routes in my machine to 0.0.0.0 ? the thinking is to use regular connection, but when it fails, to use alternative connection via other computer? |
| 02:54.08 | stew | pzn: no, if you have more than one default route in the same routing table, it will always choose the first. if you want more than one default route, you need more than one routing table. see /msg dpkg split access |
| 02:54.16 | tabakhase | hm |
| 02:54.23 | tabakhase | openvz/proxmox |
| 02:54.27 | stew | though even split access isn't going to get you failover |
| 02:54.58 | tabakhase | vzctl set 102 --ipadd IP "works" |
| 02:55.07 | tabakhase | but i still cant reach the server using this IP |
| 02:55.29 | tabakhase | and the vm still cant reach the internet |
| 02:55.35 | tabakhase | (from inside) |
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| 02:56.15 | nyov | pzn: not that simple, you should rather determine what constitutes a failure of said connection, and write a script to change the defaultroute |
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| 02:58.00 | pzn | nyov, that seems easy to do for me... cron every 5 minutes is enough... fping to the "main" default gateway... if it does not respond, replace default gateway... if it answers than go back to default gateway |
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| 03:00.07 | KTL | ^ ^ |
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| 03:00.25 | KTL | what can i do for my virtualbox / apt-get issue |
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| 03:01.21 | stew | judd: depends libqt4-qt3support --release wheezy |
| 03:01.22 | judd | Package libqt4-qt3support -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-designer (= 4:4.7.3-1), libqt4-network (= 4:4.7.3-1), libqt4-sql (= 4:4.7.3-1), libqt4-xml (= 4:4.7.3-1), libqtcore4 (= 4:4.7.3-1), libqtgui4 (= 4:4.7.3-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1). |
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| 03:01.39 | stew | judd: depends libqt4-qt3support --release squeeze |
| 03:01.39 | judd | Package libqt4-qt3support -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-designer (= 4:4.6.3-4), libqt4-network (= 4:4.6.3-4), libqt4-sql (= 4:4.6.3-4), libqt4-xml (= 4:4.6.3-4), libqtcore4 (= 4:4.6.3-4), libqtgui4 (= 4:4.6.3-4), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1). |
| 03:02.06 | stew | KTL: if you are running wheezy should be installing the wheezy version of libqt4-qt3support, not the squeeze version |
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| 03:03.00 | nyov | stew got a crystal ball! |
| 03:03.16 | stew | eh? |
| 03:03.29 | KTL | stew, so could it be my upgrade from squeeze to wheezy wasnt complete? |
| 03:03.59 | KTL | a simple aptitude upgrade didnt do enough? |
| 03:04.04 | stew | KTL: yes, it could be, |
| 03:04.11 | stew | no, it certainly would not be enough |
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| 03:04.47 | Raptors | WTH |
| 03:04.50 | Raptors | it happened again |
| 03:04.57 | Raptors | anyone have any suggestions? |
| 03:05.12 | stew | KTL: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:05.22 | null- | is it ok to mix aptitude and apt-get? |
| 03:05.29 | stew | null-: yes |
| 03:05.35 | null- | ok |
| 03:05.41 | stew | Raptors: make sure it isn't overheating. run memtest86 |
| 03:05.52 | Raptors | I know for a fact it isn't overheating |
| 03:06.01 | stew | then check for bad memory with memtest86 |
| 03:06.16 | Raptors | can I do it from debian? |
| 03:06.39 | stew | Raptors: you can install it from debian, but its something you boot into separately |
| 03:06.48 | Raptors | ugh |
| 03:07.17 | Raptors | stew, can I check a log or something |
| 03:07.20 | Raptors | to see if that's the prob |
| 03:07.33 | KTL | stew, i dont really understand the command you give there, "dpkq squeeze->wheezy" doesnt look like valid as a command. /me is now running apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 03:07.48 | stew | dpkg: tell KTL about squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:08.04 | stew | KTL: i was telling you to send a message in irc |
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| 03:08.32 | KTL | now he did |
| 03:09.00 | stew | previously, i wasn't telling her to send a message to you, i was telling you to /msg dpkg |
| 03:09.08 | stew | KTL: no, there isn't |
| 03:09.17 | KTL | i didnt realize dpkg was logged in here |
| 03:09.44 | stew | KTL: err, i didn't mean the "no, there isn't" for you |
| 03:09.49 | stew | Raptors: no, there isn't |
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| 03:10.14 | Raptors | stew, is there any way to use the logs to eliminate anything else? |
| 03:10.50 | stew | Raptors: certainly not |
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| 03:11.07 | stew | Raptors: it could be lots of other things |
| 03:11.26 | Raptors | Well can I use the logs to see if it's anything else? |
| 03:11.56 | Raptors | I'm looking in kern.log and there are a billion Jun 23 16:19:00 debian kernel: [52880.282763] Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:68:a3:c4:14:cd:bb:08:00 SRC=192.168.1.150 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=43 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=29668 PROTO=UDP SPT=61136 DPT=2008 LEN=23 |
| 03:11.58 | Raptors | :/ |
| 03:12.17 | Raptors | at the bottom there doesn't seem to be anything |
| 03:12.23 | Raptors | anything wrong |
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| 03:13.05 | stew | Raptors: sure, go for it |
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| 03:14.24 | stew | Raptors: that log mesage you pasted is a log from your firewall. telling you that someone is sending a muticast packet to port 2008 |
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| 03:14.54 | KTL | praises stew as very helpfull |
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| 03:15.39 | Raptors | I think it might of been chromium |
| 03:15.53 | Raptors | Jun 23 23:07:32 debian kernel: [ 309.849227] chrome (4987): /proc/4998/oom_adj is deprecated, please use /proc/4998/oom_score_adj instead. |
| 03:16.04 | stew | Raptors: that wasn't an outgoing packet, that was an incoming packet coming from some other machine |
| 03:16.04 | Raptors | maybe? |
| 03:16.10 | Raptors | ^ |
| 03:16.20 | Raptors | look at the last thing |
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| 03:18.11 | stew | Raptors: chrome is trying to adjust the likelyhood that it would be chosen as a process to kill in the event that your machine eventually becomes low on memory |
| 03:18.24 | stew | (and failing at that) |
| 03:18.57 | Raptors | stew, is there any other log that I can check? |
| 03:19.04 | Raptors | I check kern, syslog and user |
| 03:19.10 | stew | this isn't an indication of a problem other than chrome (or whatever chrome add-on is doing this), is outdated wrt your kernel |
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| 03:20.05 | stew | Raptors: since you are having a problem with your kernel, syslog and kern and dmesg are the ones to check |
| 03:20.48 | Raptors | stew, where is dmesg? |
| 03:20.51 | Darksmurf | is it possible to install Sid via a lenny network install or do I have to install all of lenny then dist-upgrade? |
| 03:20.58 | Darksmurf | Raptors, just type dmesg |
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| 03:21.36 | stew | Raptors: in /var/log |
| 03:22.16 | stew | Raptors: i think the likelyhood of you finding this problem by looking at logs is minimal |
| 03:22.41 | Darksmurf | ah, maybe this dist-upgrade is actually going to work... "0 not upgraded" |
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| 03:23.06 | stew | Darksmurf: skipping a release on the way to unstable would certainly not be recommended |
| 03:23.23 | Darksmurf | stew :-( well then... |
| 03:23.37 | Darksmurf | At least its just a VM... |
| 03:23.45 | stew | though it would also be expected that if you are going to run unstable, you know how to fix whatever breaks in that broken process... |
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| 03:24.46 | Darksmurf | lets see how it goes. I can fix some errors. I'm only in it for the newer version of gstreamer. Wose case I reinstall Lenny and compile from source... |
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| 03:25.01 | stew | why would you install lenny instead of squeeze? |
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| 03:25.24 | Raptors | stew, ya, I'm not really finding anything |
| 03:25.30 | Raptors | I guess I'll just hope it doesn't crash again |
| 03:25.36 | Raptors | and watch the memory |
| 03:25.43 | stew | watch it? |
| 03:25.56 | Raptors | see how much I'm using |
| 03:26.04 | Darksmurf | stew, because I've already got the Lenny ISO. :-/. I didn't even know Squeeze was out. I guess I'll check to see what version of gstreamer is installed in Squeeze.. |
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| 03:28.44 | stew | Raptors: i'm not suggesting at all that the problem you have is that you are using too much memory. i'm suggesting that you have faulty hardware, and memory is an educated guess |
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| 03:29.43 | lotus-blade | what can cause the screen to be set off to the right instead of centered? how do I fix this? |
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| 03:31.39 | gnarface | lotus-blade: with monitor controls perhaps? |
| 03:32.12 | gnarface | lotus-blade: typically you fix it by making sure xorg.conf has the right refresh ranges and resolution for your CRT then you make final adjustments with the crt controls themselves |
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| 03:32.50 | stew | lotus-blade: is this a crt or lcd? |
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| 03:36.42 | lotus-blade | lcd |
| 03:37.37 | lotus-blade | there used to be a program that would allow me to adjust the alignment in x |
| 03:38.01 | gnarface | i'm sure it still exists |
| 03:38.05 | Wyzard | DVI vs. VGA matters more than CRT vs. LCD in this case, actually |
| 03:38.18 | Wyzard | Presumably you're using an analog VGA connection |
| 03:38.31 | Wyzard | Are you using an nVidia GPU with the free driver? |
| 03:39.45 | lotus-blade | think I need to install nvidia drivers. forgot about that |
| 03:40.21 | Wyzard | The free driver (nv, dunno about nouveau) shifts the picture to one side when using an analog connection |
| 03:40.40 | Wyzard | longstanding bug as far as I'm concerned |
| 03:40.57 | Wyzard | The proprietary driver puts it in the right place |
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| 03:46.39 | lotus-blade | I forgot the command to go to rl3. is it init3? |
| 03:46.41 | magyar | hi, does debian has a package for webscanners? |
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| 03:48.09 | Wyzard | lotus-blade: Canonically it's "telinit 3", but "init 3" will work too (it's really the same program) |
| 03:49.44 | Wyzard | lotus-blade: Remember that in Debian there's no difference between runlevels 2 through 5 unless you've configured them differently yourself |
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| 03:50.18 | Vasistha | hmm, how do I find out which xorg video driver is currently running (for a lenny->squeeze upgrade) |
| 03:50.40 | Darksmurf | Squeeze is 'stable', correct? |
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| 03:51.00 | paijo__ | Darksmurf: yeah |
| 03:51.10 | Darksmurf | ty |
| 03:52.15 | wols | Vasistha: Xorg.0.log or glxinfo |
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| 03:53.13 | Vasistha | wols: might it be glx? |
| 03:53.22 | wols | no |
| 03:53.34 | wols | what videocard do you have? |
| 03:53.42 | Wyzard | Vasistha: GLX isn't a video driver |
| 03:53.50 | lotus-blade | i must be missing something. I use the /sbin/telinit 3 and i am still in rl5. this used to exit right out of x and then place me at command line |
| 03:53.58 | Vasistha | hmm, how about 3dfx voodoo banshee |
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| 03:54.16 | wols | that is a videocard, yes. |
| 03:54.19 | Wyzard | lotus-blade: Not on a Debian system it didn't |
| 03:54.25 | simonlnu | lotus-blade: repeat after me: this isn't fedora |
| 03:54.26 | gnarface | lotus-blade: debian doesn't imply graphical/non-graphical modes based on runlevel like redhat does (used to?_) |
| 03:54.27 | Wyzard | lotus-blade: and you're probably in rl2, not rl5 |
| 03:54.37 | stew | lotus-blade: what does "/sbin/runlevel" return? |
| 03:54.51 | Vasistha | oh maybe the video driver is i2c? or vgahw? |
| 03:55.13 | lotus-blade | 2 3 |
| 03:55.14 | wols | Vasistha: 3dfx, vesa |
| 03:55.16 | Wyzard | Vasistha: no to both |
| 03:55.21 | stew | lotus-blade: that means you just switched from 2 to 3 (the output is "previous current") |
| 03:55.25 | wols | Vasistha: mea culpa. tdfx or voodoo |
| 03:55.59 | stew | lotus-blade: for most of us in here, it would output "N 2" meaning "no previous runlevel, currently 2" |
| 03:56.14 | Vasistha | wols: ah ok, it looks like there is a module tdfx loaded, that must be it. Thanks! |
| 03:56.16 | lotus-blade | ok so now I need to just kill x then? |
| 03:56.32 | Wyzard | lotus-blade: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 03:56.39 | Wyzard | assuming you're running gdm, which is typical |
| 03:56.41 | Vasistha | okay, no mention in squeeze issues, good news, good news |
| 03:57.06 | Wyzard | lotus-blade: Why do you need to stop X, btw? |
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| 04:09.15 | tonytraductor | I can't seem to remove parenthesis from file names, trying to use rename, even when escaping them |
| 04:09.29 | tonytraductor | like rename s/\(//g * |
| 04:09.56 | tonytraductor | why? is there a better way to do this? |
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| 04:14.22 | Matt___ | Hello |
| 04:14.57 | Matt___ | What does the "2" means in, for example, "SEE ALSO \n semget(2)" in a man page? |
| 04:15.24 | Matt___ | or "capabilities(7)" or whatever |
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| 04:18.49 | Wyzard | Matt___: That's a section number |
| 04:19.02 | Wyzard | Matt___: "man man" tells you about them |
| 04:19.16 | Matt___ | oh, I see |
| 04:19.21 | Matt___ | thank you! |
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| 04:20.29 | bdfoster | abrotman, might have a hunch on something |
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| 04:21.15 | bdfoster | anyway, the two networks had different domains... might be an issue |
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| 04:47.21 | brokenX | Hi, my console display froze after I messed with the X server. I used SSH to log off myself. Everything over SSH works fine, getty is running on all terminals, but the screen connected to the box is frozen. Is there a way to restart whatever is resposible for displaying the console to the screen? |
| 04:47.46 | gnarface | brokenX: yes while you're ssh'ed into it just kill X |
| 04:48.37 | gnarface | brokenX: its as likely one of the programs IN X that has actually frozen it. if you know which one then you could try killing that instead |
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| 04:49.29 | brokenX | yes, all X processes are killed. I can even log on "blind", and check over SSH that I'm logged in. The screen is just frozen on old console output. |
| 04:49.58 | gnarface | OH |
| 04:50.03 | gnarface | that's not an IO lock then |
| 04:50.07 | gnarface | that's dead hardware |
| 04:50.10 | gnarface | sorry bro |
| 04:50.16 | brokenX | Actually, killing X at the console then checking at Alt+F7 is what froze it. |
| 04:50.37 | gnarface | brokenX: do you have another video card and/or monitor you can test in this machine? |
| 04:50.41 | brokenX | I'm sure a restart would fix it, but I rather not cause I have a lot running. |
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| 04:51.31 | brokenX | Is there some way to just refresh the display buffer? |
| 04:52.11 | gnarface | brokenX: you're saying the display does not work in X or out of X? |
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| 04:53.53 | brokenX | I've been having a problem running X lately (but I'll fix that another time). I tried running it, X stopped working, switched back to the console, killed X, checked to make sure it was killed at Alt+F7, then the console froze and switching to other ttys doesn't work. |
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| 04:54.57 | gnarface | brokenX: "froze" would imply an IO lock |
| 04:55.16 | gnarface | brokenX: what you are describing is not "froze" if you can still "log in blind" |
| 04:55.35 | gnarface | brokenX: when you "log in blind" X is not running? |
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| 04:56.19 | brokenX | Yes, X is killed. The screen only display the text on the console up to the point when I pressed Alt+F7 to make sure X is dead. |
| 04:57.00 | brokenX | I get no visual feedback, but if type in my username, password, then enter, I log in (even to the same frozen text is on the screen) |
| 04:57.04 | Vasistha | so how can I know if I need linux-firmware-nonfree? I've just installed the new kernel as part of the lenny->squeeze upgrade, and am about to reboot. Should I install that firmware or not? :P |
| 04:57.22 | brokenX | I checked with SSH. |
| 04:57.38 | gnarface | brokenX: the screen is not black!? |
| 04:57.49 | gnarface | brokenX: is this debian? |
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| 04:58.02 | brokenX | No, it's frozen console text, yes it's squeeze. |
| 04:58.13 | gnarface | Vasistha: if everything works you don't need it. |
| 04:58.22 | Vasistha | gnarface: heh. awesome. |
| 04:58.51 | gnarface | Vasistha: has any of your hardware ever needed firmware before? |
| 04:59.11 | brokenX | It's frozen to an old ps aux output, which was the last thing it printed before I switched to AltF7 to check that X was dead. |
| 04:59.45 | gnarface | brokenX: what happens if you ctrl-alt-F2 ? |
| 05:00.24 | brokenX | The screen remains frozen, on all ctl-alt-F1-F6 |
| 05:00.44 | SnarkBait | brokenX, What's the problem? This sounds oddly familiar. |
| 05:00.45 | gnarface | brokenX: ctrl-Q? |
| 05:01.10 | brokenX | ctrl-q does nothing either. |
| 05:01.33 | gnarface | brokenX: do you know about the 3 p's |
| 05:01.42 | gnarface | brokenX: ? |
| 05:01.54 | brokenX | I should be more specific: I can switch to tty 1-6 with the f-keys, but the screen still stays frozen. |
| 05:01.57 | Vasistha | gnarface: I dunno. this is one of several computers I keep running :P well it sure scrolled the screen with a whole lot of errors on bootup, but kde is up and running. now the kde update... |
| 05:01.59 | brokenX | no, what are the p s? |
| 05:02.06 | gnarface | plugs, permissions, power |
| 05:02.44 | SnarkBait | Someone fill me in on what the issue is? |
| 05:02.45 | brokenX | well, I have root permissions...don't know what plugs and power means. |
| 05:02.45 | gnarface | Vasistha: do you have a network connection? |
| 05:03.02 | gnarface | Vasistha: to clarify i mean does it have a network connection? |
| 05:03.25 | brokenX | SnarkBait: I've been having a problem running X lately (but I'll fix that another time). I tried running it, X stopped working, switched back to the console, killed X, checked to make sure it was killed at Alt+F7, then the console froze and switching to other ttys doesn't work. |
| 05:03.29 | gnarface | brokenX: make sure the monitor is plugged into the computer you think it is :-p |
| 05:03.42 | SnarkBait | brokenX, USB keyboard, by any chance? |
| 05:03.43 | gnarface | brokenX: that's "plugs" |
| 05:04.08 | gnarface | SnarkBait: he says he can still log in blind |
| 05:04.15 | brokenX | ha, yes, I had already unplugging it, plugged it back in, same screen (well, a "No-Signal" in=between) |
| 05:04.18 | SnarkBait | Okay, so not a udev issue... |
| 05:04.40 | SnarkBait | brokenX, Is the screen blank, or garbled? |
| 05:05.14 | brokenX | It's an old ps aux listing, the last thing I called until I hit Alt-F7 to check on the killed X. |
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| 05:05.47 | gnarface | brokenX: what video card ? |
| 05:06.05 | wols | fbset to change videomode for the tty? |
| 05:06.50 | kNC | hi all |
| 05:06.55 | brokenX | To clearify, the monitor displays that frozen text, but if I switch to a tty I never log in on (so I know it's asking for my username), then type my username and password and enter, I log in (confirmed over SSH), and I could theoretically go about my business except I get no feedback on the monitor. |
| 05:07.03 | wols | Vasistha: if you are worried, keep an old kernel around. or download the firmware packages, "just in case" |
| 05:07.13 | gnarface | brokenX: what video card? |
| 05:07.23 | kNC | what i am trying to do is make a mail server. how is this possible. Do I have to own more then just a domain? |
| 05:07.31 | brokenX | It's old (+8 years), maybe nVidia? |
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| 05:07.51 | wols | brokenX: lspci tells you :) |
| 05:07.52 | brokenX | I never had this problem before, just when I killed the X server from the console. |
| 05:08.01 | gnarface | brokenX: it could have just gone on a permanent vacation you know |
| 05:08.17 | SnarkBait | Could there be an issue between an old NV card and nouveau? |
| 05:08.21 | wols | kNC: if you are in a dialup IP range, many other mail servres won't accept your mail |
| 05:08.29 | kNC | i have static IP |
| 05:08.34 | vikapi | anyone tried backport for installin libreoffice in squeeze??? |
| 05:08.41 | gnarface | brokenX: what does lspci tell you? |
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| 05:09.14 | kNC | wols: Comcast Internet |
| 05:09.18 | brokenX | k, what's the best way to paste the output here? |
| 05:09.28 | wols | kNC: doesn't matter, as long as it's in a diaulp or residential IP range, they might not accept mail from you and you will need a smarthost then |
| 05:09.36 | SnarkBait | brokenX, pastebin.com, or any similar service. |
| 05:09.40 | wols | CompWizrd: residential ip range then |
| 05:09.52 | wols | kNC: ^^ |
| 05:10.12 | kNC | I don't even understand, sorry. who won't accept mail from me? |
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| 05:10.28 | wols | aol, google, yahoo, hotmail, etc |
| 05:10.40 | brokenX | http://pastebin.com/Gu3Zuiib |
| 05:11.15 | kNC | wols: not entirely sure what you mean. lol. sorry. i am trying to setup my own mail server for others to use. such as name@domain.com |
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| 05:12.01 | SnarkBait | kNC, Before trying to set up your own mail server, perhaps you should do a little homework as to what that actually entails, and how mail routing over the internet works. It's always best to understand the concepts of the system you're trying to employ before diving in face-first |
| 05:12.05 | wols | kNC: you send mail with your mailserver to an aol.com address and aol.com won't accept your mail since the ip range is not one they acknowledge for servers |
| 05:12.43 | wols | kNC: this is because all the spam zombie infesctions which are used to spam from people's normal PCs and internet connections |
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| 05:13.02 | brokenX | I mean, if I have to I'll just reboot. I was just wondering if there might be an easy way to tell whatever program is in charge of displaying the screen to refresh |
| 05:13.03 | wols | so anything fro a comcast IP which is not the comcast mailserver itself gets blocked |
| 05:13.19 | kNC | wols: got it. |
| 05:13.24 | kNC | wols: thanks |
| 05:13.27 | gnarface | kNC: although i run my own mail server on a dsl line and never have any issues getting the mail out |
| 05:13.48 | gnarface | kNC: you *might* want a better isp for this |
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| 05:14.12 | kNC | SnarkBait, or wols: I will look into this indeed, but can you atleast help me on this, if you reboot a linux machine through an ssh connection, will the ssh server become available after it is rebooted, or will the person need to be logged in totally |
| 05:14.21 | wols | !smarthost |
| 05:14.21 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically provided by your ISP), which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server, rather than directly to the recipient's server. |
| 05:14.21 | kNC | gnarface: maybe. |
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| 05:14.48 | wols | kNC: ssh server will come up again onreboot |
| 05:14.54 | kNC | wols: tyvm |
| 05:15.01 | gnarface | kNC: also check your reverse mapping and make sure that it is correct. that sabotages a lot of people too. |
| 05:15.27 | SnarkBait | kNC, ASSUMING that sshd is configured to start automatically, you'll be able to connect. |
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| 05:15.42 | SnarkBait | kNC, It's almost always configured that way, but I throw that out there as a caveat. |
| 05:16.51 | kNC | SnarkBait, well, i installed ssh and sysv, and then it worked, so i didnt edit any other option. i am reading linuxquestions.org. but that is advanced stuff way more then i am needing to do, right now, anyway |
| 05:17.35 | brokenX | BTW, perhaps a better idea, I have several bash (wget-like) processes running through GNU Screen. Is there a way I can freeze them and save their current state, reboot, and then have them pick up exactly where they left off? |
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| 05:18.36 | gnarface | kNC: http://www.debian-administration.org/ you ever seen this site? good articles |
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| 05:18.57 | gnarface | kNC: (make sure to read the comments) |
| 05:19.27 | kNC | gnarface; can't recall that i have. i will definantly bookmark it, thanks for this! |
| 05:20.43 | gnarface | kNC: np. good luck |
| 05:20.52 | samantha-c | is there a way to report a list, with total size, of every directory in a tree? du -ha reports every file, which is way too much detail. i just want directories. needs to be console. curses is okay. |
| 05:21.32 | ProfOak_ | Hey all, I just installed squeeze and just got my internet working. My problem is that I can't many packages in my repositories, I disabled the CD and enabled the others in my sources.list. Shouldn't I be seeing most of the things in here: /msg dpkg squeeze ? |
| 05:22.06 | ProfOak_ | in here: packages.debian.org/stable *** |
| 05:22.26 | gnarface | ProfOak_: did you run apt-get update? |
| 05:22.31 | wols | !tell ProfOak_ about squeeze sources.list |
| 05:22.35 | gnarface | ProfOak_: or perhaps aptitude update? |
| 05:22.38 | ProfOak_ | gnarface: several times |
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| 05:25.01 | ProfOak_ | Would http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main have all the missing programs? I have actually added security already. |
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| 05:25.53 | jmarsden | samantha-c: Does find /path/to/directory -type d -print0 | xargs du # do what you need? |
| 05:25.57 | ProfOak_ | Oh wow, that looks like it works now. Thanks guys. |
| 05:26.05 | wols | samantha-c: du --max-depth=1 |
| 05:26.51 | jmarsden | wols: will that do every directoryy in the *tree*, or only those at the top level of the tree?? |
| 05:27.23 | wols | jmarsden: top level. simply "du" will every dir in the tree |
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| 05:34.59 | Vasistha | I'm getting like 600 of these messages on boot, is there a way to get rid of them? Maybe I just need to finish the dist-upgrade? Jun 23 22:33:42 leonardo udevd[271]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules:78 |
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| 05:35.48 | darmster | hello |
| 05:37.12 | wols | Vasistha: why did you boot before finishing the upgrade? |
| 05:37.33 | Vasistha | wols: the instructions say to reboot into a 2.6.32 kernel to complete the upgrade |
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| 05:38.11 | Vasistha | !lenny->squeeze |
| 05:38.13 | wols | oh ya. and yes it shounds like udev doesn't like the old scripts |
| 05:38.57 | Vasistha | ah wish this was quicker. want to go to bed. anyway. I'm glad it's going smoothly. I hope kaboom sets up kmail properly, and I hope that stupid printer just works. |
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| 05:44.10 | Chilaquiles | hey guys, it seems like debian is having some trouble with uncompressing rar files, do you know any program for debian that can uncompress rar files that doesn't have problems? |
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| 05:44.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg rar |
| 05:44.57 | dpkg | Roshal ARchive (RAR) is a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz. To extract, use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" in main cannot extract RAR3 archives. The rar package can create archives, but costs money (see the license). Install libclamunrar6 (non-free) for support in ClamAV. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 05:45.01 | Quite | there are different rar versions... |
| 05:45.04 | Quite | that's the problem |
| 05:46.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | it doesn't mention theunarchiver in that factoid, hoepfuly it makes it to debian soon. http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/free-rarv3-extraction |
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| 05:51.29 | Chilaquiles | is there any program that can handle most of them? |
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| 06:01.02 | Vasistha | so kdm is giving an out of range mode by default. How can I force a different mode? keep in minx X is running so I don't have X credentials, I need it to *start* that way. Oh I guess I need to do xorg.conf or something huh |
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| 06:01.48 | wols | yes, xorg.conf is the way to go |
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| 06:02.11 | wols | but startnge with a voodoo card. not as if anyone had changed that driver the last 5 years :) |
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| 06:02.50 | wols | what does the Xorg log say? |
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| 06:18.24 | Vasistha | wols: oh, I missed your comments... added some lines to xorg.conf but it seems to be ignoring them, it is still trying modelines that I didn't put in there. Xorg.0.log says a lot of stuff, I wonder if I can figure out how to pastebin it or something. |
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| 06:20.14 | Vasistha | wols: http://paste.debian.net/120803/ |
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| 06:59.47 | gal_bolle | there are plenty of tutorials on how to create a deb package from scratch, but is there a young adopter's guide? |
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| 07:01.24 | darmster | young adopter's??? |
| 07:02.32 | gal_bolle | for adopting an existing package |
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| 07:03.35 | gal_bolle | things like finding out how the packaging was done and other pitfalls |
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| 07:12.01 | jelly-home | gal_bolle: other than getting the src and taking a peek? |
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| 07:12.56 | gnarface | what is OpenCL? |
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| 07:14.55 | jelly-home | what is google |
| 07:15.14 | jmarsden | gnarface: OpenCL (Open Computing Language) is a framework for writing programs that execute across heterogeneous platforms consisting of CPUs, GPUs, and other processors. (according to wikipedia) |
| 07:15.48 | jelly-home | jmarsden: botsnack |
| 07:16.31 | gnarface | jmarsden: does it say if debian supports it? |
| 07:16.47 | jmarsden | gnarface: I already closed the web page, read it yourself for more info... |
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| 07:21.14 | jelly-home | gnarface: each GPU vendor has their own implementation for obvious reasons; I don't think there's an open source OpenCL implementation in Debian yet |
| 07:22.00 | ikarus | barely-Open Crap Language |
| 07:22.08 | ikarus | hates coding for GPUs |
| 07:22.08 | jelly-home | there is a packaged nvidia implementation in non-free repos |
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| 07:22.51 | jelly-home | ,versions nvidia-opencl-dev |
| 07:22.53 | judd | Package nvidia-opencl-dev on i386 -- sid/non-free: 3.2.16-2; wheezy/non-free: 3.2.16-2; experimental/non-free: 4.0.17-1 |
| 07:23.09 | jelly-home | ,versions opencl-headers |
| 07:23.11 | judd | Package opencl-headers on i386 -- sid/contrib: 1.0-2010.06.13-2; wheezy/contrib: 1.0-2010.06.13-2; experimental/contrib: 1.1-2010.07.15-1 |
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| 07:23.47 | gnarface | hmm. i wonder if it would enhance my wine build enough to bother installing the nvidia one |
| 07:25.01 | jelly-home | ikarus: if it's a choice between OpenCL and CUDA... there are cloud providers that offer OpenCL capable processing now I think |
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| 07:27.05 | nyov | cloud gpu processing... we should all go back to daugtherboards for addon-cpus... or blades |
| 07:27.35 | ikarus | PowerXCell blades ftw |
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| 07:32.21 | digdilem_ | but to be competitive, an open hardware platform would need to be agreed, and that's fairly unlikely on a big scale :( |
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| 07:33.41 | nyov | well I wonder, are gpus better for some calculations; they are essentially risc cpus with differing instruction sets, no? |
| 07:34.12 | digdilem_ | and pretty cheap, given the horsepower |
| 07:34.25 | digdilem_ | i was off on a tangent above about redesigning a whole new computer, ignore me :) |
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| 08:00.46 | bs0d | Good day everybody. I have a question on debian cron. I need to add a cron task which restart the webserver at a certain time, but I have examined crontab, no crontabs for users and no crontabs at all.... where should I add this task? |
| 08:01.19 | petemc | bs0d: what did you examine? /etc/crontab works |
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| 08:02.02 | bs0d | I tried su crontab -u root -l and sudo ls /var/spool/cron/crontabs, it was empty |
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| 08:02.24 | bs0d | petemc: so I need to add my task to /etc/crontab, right? |
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| 08:03.02 | rjsalts | bs0d: better to add them in /etc/cron.d as a separate file |
| 08:03.14 | jelly-home | bs0d: yes root's crontab is empty by default -- it still works, however |
| 08:03.20 | Titosemi | hi all! |
| 08:03.29 | jelly-home | /etc/cron.d/ is more for packaged stuff |
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| 08:05.02 | rjsalts | jelly-home: it's easier to scp a file to a bunch of hosts in a for loop/deploy with puppet or whatever |
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| 08:05.28 | Titosemi | i've got an external hard disk that after a power supply issue and a shutdown, it has been marked as read only. How can a unmark that flag? |
| 08:05.29 | rjsalts | jelly-home: but point taken if it's a once off |
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| 08:06.15 | rjsalts | Titosemi: the drive is marked readonly? or the filesystem on the drive? |
| 08:06.59 | Titosemi | the output msg says file system |
| 08:07.06 | Titosemi | you're right :) |
| 08:07.17 | rjsalts | Titosemi: you probably want to fsck it then |
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| 08:08.04 | jelly-home | Titosemi: umount beforehand |
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| 08:11.31 | Titosemi | rjsalts: jelly-home Thanks |
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| 08:14.21 | avernos | how can i activate another tty 'xinit -- :1 vt12' wont work |
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| 08:16.22 | jelly-home | avernos: openvt? |
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| 08:18.45 | evilgenius101 | If i have a server with 1 x Intel Xeon - E5504 , and another processor is added later on. will it require a server reinstall |
| 08:19.28 | avernos | jelly-home, just like that? wont do anything |
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| 08:20.43 | SlayerXP | evilgenius101: the only thing you may need to do is install an SMP kernel package. you can safely do that even with just one processor |
| 08:20.56 | SlayerXP | though, unless I'm mistaken, the E5504 is a quad core chip anyway |
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| 08:21.12 | evilgenius101 | I'm going for 2x4x2.0 Ghz |
| 08:21.23 | evilgenius101 | Less then 100 euro a month, with 16GB RAM, what a deal :D |
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| 08:21.42 | babilen | avernos: Does something like: "X :42 & sleep 5 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm" work? |
| 08:22.10 | jelly-home | avernos: that's the command, look up the correct syntax |
| 08:22.19 | evilgenius101 | SlayerXP, Thanks for the help. |
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| 08:24.01 | rjsalts | avernos: is there a device node for vt12? |
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| 08:24.52 | jelly-home | avernos: after it opens vt12 you'll be able to switch to it using Ctrl-Alt-F12 (which you probably cannot do at present time), and it stays opened afterwards for your xinit command to be able to use it |
| 08:24.54 | avernos | i wanted to open ssh -X on a different tty, i was just wondering how to do that |
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| 08:25.33 | avernos | rjsalts, i guess that would be the ssh? |
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| 08:25.56 | rjsalts | avernos: I meant does /dev/tty12 exist? |
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| 08:26.07 | ectospasm | I'm looking through /var/log/dmesg, and I see a bunch of lines like this: [ 11.174753] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro |
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| 08:26.57 | ectospasm | logwatch lists them as WARNING: Kernel Errors Present |
| 08:26.58 | avernos | rjsalts, seems that it does after using jelly-home's command openvt but its empty |
| 08:27.37 | ectospasm | But I don't see any other errors, other than it gets remounted with (null) options, then remounted with what I posted above. |
| 08:28.15 | sveinse | Hi. I need to install a package where I need to break one of the dependencies. The dep is really satisfied because its manually installed under /usr/local. So how can I install this package without pulling in this dep? |
| 08:28.32 | sveinse | Can I trick the dpkg repo to think this package is installed? |
| 08:28.34 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell sveinse about equivs |
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| 08:39.03 | poppiez | on squeeze, my "date" commend gives me a time about 5 minutes off. how do I adjust this? |
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| 08:39.31 | poppiez | my timezone etc. are all correct |
| 08:40.25 | ectospasm | poppiez: install ntp |
| 08:40.46 | AimHere | If you want to change it manually, the 'date' command has parameters for that. 'man date' for more |
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| 08:41.01 | epsilon | ntpdate |
| 08:41.03 | ectospasm | AimHere: don't tell poppies the hard way |
| 08:41.08 | AimHere | Or info, since it's GNUish |
| 08:41.10 | Bushmills | ntp, rdate, ntpdate |
| 08:41.26 | ectospasm | epsilon: ntpdate is deprecated... "ntpd -g -q" replaces the ntpdate functionality |
| 08:41.43 | poppiez | ectospasm: thx. works like a charm now |
| 08:42.27 | epsilon | i prefer less daemons running around permanently for correction of +/-0.001% a week |
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| 08:43.18 | ectospasm | epsilon: be thankful you don't have a clock that drifts that much |
| 08:43.36 | ectospasm | epsilon: and ntpd -g -q quits when it's done, mind |
| 08:43.45 | Bushmills | 0.001% make 5 minutes per year |
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| 08:43.55 | arcsky | hello all i wonder if anyone know a simple guide howto install Blowfish for irssi ? |
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| 08:44.51 | epsilon | actually I have a self written ntpdate script called by cron checking the system time and if something is wrong or not |
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| 08:46.54 | themill | epsilon: stepping the clock around is very evil. Many daemons don't like timewarps forwards let alone backwards. ntpd is a much better solution. |
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| 08:50.41 | ectospasm | epsilon: read the last note about ntpdate here: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/release.html |
| 08:51.28 | Bushmills | in case of poppiez, he wanted to step anyway, with 5 min. off, not slew |
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| 09:22.33 | calculon | anyone got a normal working splash on Debian at startup? |
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| 09:40.07 | dvgsvc | [upon running an executable, it doesn't find a shared lib that is in /usr/local/lib (it's there though). what change do i have to make in order for the system to see it? |
| 09:40.41 | SlayerXP | dvgsvc: add that location to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 09:40.51 | SlayerXP | or one of the .d files |
| 09:41.01 | SlayerXP | or create a new .d file |
| 09:41.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | should already be in libc.conf |
| 09:41.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | in ld.so.conf.d= |
| 09:41.18 | Bushmills | after that, run ldconfig |
| 09:41.20 | SlayerXP | then "ldconfig -av" |
| 09:41.35 | Bushmills | oh, sorry. though you missed that bit |
| 09:41.38 | Bushmills | thought |
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| 09:42.11 | dvgsvc | thanks |
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| 09:52.16 | sylarr | stuff from backport lenny give me a warning that it isn't authenticated |
| 09:52.55 | sylarr | including debian-backport-keyring, which is of version 2009.02.20 |
| 09:53.17 | sylarr | I dont' see any upgrade offer for it |
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| 09:55.32 | ansgar | sylarr: backports.debian.org uses the same key as the main archive now (debian-archive-keyring). |
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| 09:57.22 | sylarr | ansgar, debian-archive-keyring is of version 2010.08.28~lenny I dont get offers for update |
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| 10:00.45 | caravel | Hi - found a solution to my ACL question here : getfacl -Rs option ^^ |
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| 10:01.14 | ansgar | sylarr: Hmm, that looks current. Do you use backports.debian.org (backports.org is no longer used). Please pastebin the full error otherwise (paste.debian.net). |
| 10:01.38 | caravel | Another question: what is the point of getfacl's default behaviour: « Removing leading '/' from absolute path names » ? |
| 10:02.15 | Jammie | Hi guys... I've debian lenny virtualized on promox so every night at 2:10:09 the system time jumps from 09 to 51... how can I fix it? The virtualization is on promox |
| 10:02.48 | sylarr | what happened to repository of backport.org for lenny? |
| 10:03.05 | themill | Jammie: sounds like a cron job that's resetting the time |
| 10:03.23 | themill | sylarr: backports.org moved to backports.debian.org many months ago |
| 10:03.33 | Jammie | at that time my hosting says that there are the backups running... |
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| 10:05.07 | Lalloso | hellp |
| 10:05.12 | Jammie | get a look here to have an idea: http://paste.debian.net/120821/ |
| 10:05.15 | Lalloso | hello :-) |
| 10:05.25 | Jammie | this is the result from a bash script I made to check time... |
| 10:05.48 | ectospasm | I'm looking through /var/log/dmesg, and I see a bunch of lines like this: [ 11.174753] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro |
| 10:05.58 | ectospasm | logwatch lists them as WARNING: Kernel Errors Present |
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| 10:06.05 | ectospasm | But I don't see any other errors, other than it gets remounted with (null) options, then remounted with what I posted above. |
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| 10:06.35 | ectospasm | and it doesn't seem to be associated with any other events. They just look random. |
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| 10:07.57 | themill | Jammie: the vps wouldn't get frozen for a few seconds while the snapshot is prepared would it? Are you sure that the time jumps or does that script not run for 42 seconds? |
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| 10:08.37 | Jammie | it's a time jump cause I've unrealircd on that vps and on logs you can see "time jumped for x seconds" |
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| 10:13.58 | themill | Jammie: I doubt an application running on the machine itself could tell the difference between a timewarp and the machine being paused and then resumed. |
| 10:15.01 | Jammie | themill so yes it can if it's interconnected with other servers... (the case of an IRCd) |
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| 10:17.28 | themill | Jammie: depending on how it calculates that there was a time jump. If it's doing it off local time information it can't (and I imagine it would be doing so), it's using irc timestamps then it could, but then it couldn't tell the difference between a timewarp and a lot of lag. If it were using ntp time signals then I'd believe it could detect that itself. |
| 10:20.05 | Jammie | ok thanks for the suggests |
| 10:20.10 | Jammie | bye |
| 10:20.12 | themill | Jammie: I can only see three possibilities here... (a) you're running ntpdate or similar from cron at that time -- don't, use ntpd. (b) proxmox has some funny time discipline thing for its guests that we wouldn't know about here -- ask the proxmox people (but it should still slew not step) or (c) the VM is paused while being snapshotted and then reswumed |
| 10:20.15 | themill | bah! |
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| 10:46.35 | ShabbyCat | Hi |
| 10:47.30 | ShabbyCat | Is there a way to get apt or dpkg to audit the installed packages and look for any missing files? |
| 10:48.21 | themill | !debsums |
| 10:48.22 | dpkg | from memory, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files. |
| 10:49.06 | ShabbyCat | ok thx I'll look into it |
| 10:49.57 | jelly-home | are debsums obligatory yet |
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| 10:52.31 | themill | jelly-home: no, but in most packages because debhelper and cdbs generate them for you. For the few packages that don't have them, I just reinstall those packages after installing debsums. |
| 10:52.51 | themill | (because debsums will generate the md5sum for you if it's missing) |
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| 11:06.10 | cinch | which package do i need to do "mount -t cifs ..." aka mount samba shares? |
| 11:07.18 | ectospasm | cinch: cifs-utils |
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| 11:07.38 | cinch | ectospasm, ty :) |
| 11:08.10 | ectospasm | cinch: you can always search for packages with "aptitude search ..." or "apt-cache search ..." |
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| 11:08.28 | ectospasm | cinch: or, there's http://packages.debian.org |
| 11:08.41 | ectospasm | cinch: I searched with "aptitude search cifs" |
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| 11:48.22 | abrotman | biz: i don't think so ... but man sources.list has samples |
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| 11:56.13 | Undead | ÐÑем пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ |
| 11:57.10 | streuner | !ru Undead |
| 11:57.25 | streuner | !ru |
| 11:57.25 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please talk (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here. |
| 11:58.47 | Undead | Hi everybody |
| 11:59.41 | Undead | i have some problem with apt, can anybode help me whit it http://paste.ubuntu.com/631765/ |
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| 12:00.49 | Undead | with* it |
| 12:01.03 | streuner | Undead: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
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| 12:01.51 | Undead | undead@undead:~$ sudo dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 12:01.51 | Undead | ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:02.01 | themill | Undead: can you stick your /etc/environment in a pastebin? |
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| 12:02.39 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 12:02.40 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-7; wheezy: 2.13-7 |
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| 12:03.11 | streuner | hm, its possible to make a command speak different languages, but i forget how... |
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| 12:03.21 | themill | !localised errors |
| 12:03.21 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
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| 12:04.08 | themill | (but in this case the error is in English anyway) |
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| 12:05.11 | Undead | LANGUAGE="ru_RU:en_US:en_US:ru |
| 12:05.11 | Undead | LANG=ru_RU.KOI8-R ) |
| 12:05.34 | Undead | it my environment |
| 12:06.49 | themill | Undead: that looks pretty wrong on a number of counts |
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| 12:08.05 | themill | Undead: I'd suggest removing those lines from the file, then "sudo apt-get -f install" then "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales". |
| 12:08.42 | Undead | une minute |
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| 12:10.40 | streuner | Undead: please show us your sources.list too in a pastebin. |
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| 12:11.16 | Undead | themill: Thank you very very much |
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| 12:13.35 | hroi | hello |
| 12:13.50 | hroi | I am setting up a server, and have been told to use debian. |
| 12:14.03 | abrotman | i was just in your country! |
| 12:14.13 | abrotman | is pretty sure hroi doesn't care about that though :) |
| 12:14.13 | hroi | what iso image would be ideal? the standard? |
| 12:14.25 | abrotman | hroi: x86? 32bit? 64bit? |
| 12:14.30 | rozie | depends on many things |
| 12:14.35 | hroi | 64bit intel 2 |
| 12:14.39 | hroi | core 2 |
| 12:14.41 | hroi | I mean |
| 12:14.44 | abrotman | hroi: either i386 or amd64 netinst |
| 12:15.06 | abrotman | or get the multiarch to have them both |
| 12:15.09 | hroi | abrotman: what if I want to avoid netinst, I am setting up a virtual machine |
| 12:15.37 | abrotman | hroi: realistically, it doesn't matter, the base system is on the netinst (it's poorly named) .. otherwise, CD1, but that's probably more than you need |
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| 12:15.59 | themill | .o0(netinst really needs a new name so we don't have to go through this several times per day) |
| 12:16.10 | abrotman | the netinst has everything (binary drivers excluded) you need to get a base system running without a working network connection |
| 12:16.25 | hroi | abrotman: great! |
| 12:16.53 | hroi | abrotman: http://debian.simnet.is/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ too many choices here :) |
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| 12:17.07 | abrotman | hroi: that's the liveCD , not what you want |
| 12:17.30 | abrotman | hroi: http://debian.simnet.is/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-cd/ is more likely what you want |
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| 12:17.40 | abrotman | the netinst is toward the bottom |
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| 12:18.05 | abrotman | and tha'ts the only CD you really need. Most experienced people do all their installs with that image |
| 12:18.26 | hroi | abrotman: ok :) I might as well too |
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| 12:19.38 | guiledazimba | i cannot find the printer in my network by Debian . Windows can see the printer, but in Debian i can sse only the shared folders in the remote computer. Someone can tell me a tip?! sorry english |
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| 12:21.07 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 12:22.08 | guiledazimba | ? |
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| 12:22.19 | ragnar76 | i'm about to compile a program from source and i always get this message >>> Warning: File `/dev/null' has modification time 2.3e+03 s in the future <<< what does that mean? |
| 12:22.56 | ragnar76 | oh, and >>> warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. <<< |
| 12:23.05 | deathtje | that your traveling back in time.. |
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| 12:24.16 | ragnar76 | deathtje: i made a fresh cvs checkout |
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| 12:25.14 | deathtje | ragnar76: is your clock setup correctly |
| 12:25.15 | deathtje | ? |
| 12:25.40 | stew | ragnar76: /msg dpkg ntp |
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| 12:27.06 | ragnar76 | deathtje: the battery in my computer is low so i update the time every 15 minutes via rdate |
| 12:27.19 | ragnar76 | and hwclock |
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| 12:30.17 | G0d-servant | i installed squeeze and upgrade it to sid, but kernel stil is 2.6.32-5 and don't change it. |
| 12:30.22 | deathtje | ragnar76: sounds to me like your problem is in the time issue |
| 12:30.42 | G0d-servant | how i can upgrade your kernel? |
| 12:30.49 | streuner | G0d-servant: sure |
| 12:30.53 | wols | G0d-servant: install the one you want |
| 12:31.02 | deathtje | G0d-servant: get the last kernel from kernel.org and compile. |
| 12:31.08 | G0d-servant | whay kernel not update auotomat. |
| 12:31.12 | wols | G0d-servant: or get linux-image-2.6 that should upgrade it automatically |
| 12:31.14 | streuner | G0d-servant: kernels are never part of the upgrade process, you have to install them manually |
| 12:31.17 | ragnar76 | deathtje: i've just looked at /dev/null . it has no creation time >>> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 24. Jun 2011 null <<< |
| 12:31.40 | wols | streuner: if you have the virtual linux-image-2.6 then it will, no? |
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| 12:32.09 | abrotman | yes, it will |
| 12:32.49 | wols | thought so, never use that myself |
| 12:32.58 | ragnar76 | deathtje: as a short help i could touch it, but i guess somethings wrong who creates /dev/null |
| 12:33.42 | G0d-servant | thanks. i can download deb binery of kernel from ftp.debian and then instal it with dpkg. |
| 12:34.05 | deathtje | sure |
| 12:34.08 | themill | G0d-servant: you can install it with apt. |
| 12:34.17 | deathtje | ragnar76: udev might be fucking up because of your strange setup |
| 12:34.28 | wols | ..provided apt has a working network connection |
| 12:36.08 | ragnar76 | deathtje: nothing's strange here, i din't have changed anything. rdate and hwclock a in a crontab as such things should be |
| 12:36.32 | themill | deathtje: sid udev should handle squeeze kernel just fine. |
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| 12:38.18 | deathtje | themill: i was talking to ragnar76 there sorry |
| 12:38.33 | deathtje | ragnar76: your device is created before the first sync most likely |
| 12:38.40 | deathtje | given that udev runs before the sync |
| 12:38.49 | deathtje | could you do a ls -ailh /dev/null ? |
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| 12:40.23 | ragnar76 | deathtje: 560 crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 24. Jun 2011 /dev/null |
| 12:41.21 | deathtje | seems about right try turning your bios like backwards in time a day and see if you get the same error after a reboot |
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| 12:43.58 | ragnar76 | i will a bit later |
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| 12:56.42 | Guest96855 | Hi. Trying to boot debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst on a very old machine and I just get the message "aborted." |
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| 12:57.00 | Guest96855 | The help pages work, but can't find any options to progress any further |
| 12:57.43 | Guest96855 | Any suggestions? Ring any bells? |
| 12:57.50 | G0d-servant | one of this command is good for personal pc with intel core2duo? apt-get install linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae or apt-get install linux-image-2.6.39-2-486? for update kernel? |
| 12:58.02 | wols | G0d-servant: first one |
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| 12:58.25 | wols | Guest96855: anything before the "aborted"? |
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| 12:58.37 | G0d-servant | wols: thanks. |
| 12:59.06 | wols | G0d-servant: you really need to think very very hard again what debian to run |
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| 12:59.33 | dym | Can someone name a CLI ftp tool to download a remote dir recursively? |
| 12:59.46 | Guest96855 | wols, afraid not |
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| 13:00.15 | Guest96855 | If I try boot: rescue it says Loading /something/linuxvz. aborted. |
| 13:00.28 | Guest96855 | all the others it just says aborted. |
| 13:00.39 | wols | dym: ncftpget ncftp lftp |
| 13:00.53 | wols | I suggest ncftp, probably easiest to use |
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| 13:01.06 | dym | cheers. was waiting for ncftp tp be suggested :D |
| 13:01.08 | dym | to* |
| 13:01.16 | wols | Guest96855: sounds like your BIOS doesn't like to boot from CD? |
| 13:01.37 | wols | dym: lftp is more powerful tho :) |
| 13:02.04 | dym | wols: in what way? |
| 13:02.41 | wols | more features |
| 13:03.15 | Guest96855 | wols, well as I said the help pages work |
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| 13:03.30 | wols | Guest96855: what PC is it? |
| 13:03.34 | Guest96855 | I can type help at the boot prompt and I get a sensible collection of options for booting |
| 13:03.49 | Guest96855 | an antique, I'll go take alook |
| 13:04.33 | Guest96855 | PIII with 300MB RAM, so not too ancient |
| 13:05.01 | G0d-servant | wols: i don't need. i want compare stablity of debian sid with arch. i debian run for personal work. i love the freedom that is just in debian repository. |
| 13:05.38 | wols | Guest96855: maybe a bad burn? |
| 13:05.46 | Guest96855 | So it's booting from the CD ok, but doesn't like something about the netinst CD. Have tried, somewhat at random, some of the install options, but with just the "aborted." message it's difficult to tell |
| 13:05.56 | Guest96855 | wols, yeah, was wondering that |
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| 13:07.22 | wols | you tried to boot with framebuffer disabled? |
| 13:07.25 | wols | !nofb |
| 13:07.26 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 13:07.36 | guiledazimba | i cant find my network printer in Debian, why?! |
| 13:07.52 | wols | guiledazimba: not enough info |
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| 13:08.59 | guiledazimba | i have a shared printer im my windows computer, and i can see the printer in Debian |
| 13:09.07 | Guest96855 | Think I tried fb=false, will try the video=vga16:off option, and need to go and verify the burn -- seems the most likely problem. |
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| 13:11.12 | sergiosanche | hi |
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| 13:13.24 | wols | guiledazimba: via samba? |
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| 13:13.32 | hroi | what linux kernel version is used in debian 6.0.1 ? is it a 2.6.x? |
| 13:14.01 | wols | 2.6.32 |
| 13:14.05 | hroi | thanks |
| 13:14.18 | hroi | strange that vmware doesnt list debian in its presets |
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| 13:15.01 | wols | maybe they don't like us? we don't like vmware either, being non-free ) |
| 13:15.02 | wols | :) |
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| 13:18.39 | casts | finds vmware to fill the niche of users-who-didn't-look-at-all-the-options |
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| 13:27.30 | Guest96855 | Where are the md5 sums for the download ISOs recorded? Can't find on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ which is where I did the download |
| 13:28.37 | babilen | Guest96855: Which architecture? |
| 13:29.15 | Guest96855 | debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:29.36 | babilen | Guest96855: Check http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 13:31.11 | Guest96855 | Alas. Looks like `md5sum /dev/cdrom` and that list match. Only thing left for me to try is boot: install fb=false, but pretty sure already done that |
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| 13:32.30 | babilen | Guest96855: How old is a "very old machine"? Bought around 2005? 2000? 1995? Which processor is in there? |
| 13:32.37 | Guest96855 | It's a PIII |
| 13:32.50 | Guest96855 | so what, 98 maybe? |
| 13:33.19 | babilen | Hmm, that should be fine. :-\ |
| 13:33.22 | Guest96855 | The help pages work fine, but "boot: aborted." is less than helpful |
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| 13:34.46 | Guest96855 | Right. Going to turn it on and try `install fb=false acip=off` and various permutations of the options. Alas, no clue what's really going on... |
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| 13:37.36 | Guest96855 | Ok, here's what I get. Five lines, so hope doesn't count as a flood: |
| 13:37.49 | Guest96855 | Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM : (presumably from the BIOS) |
| 13:38.04 | Guest96855 | ISOLINUX 4.02 ... (and the rest...) |
| 13:38.07 | Guest96855 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.17 | Guest96855 | boot: install fb=false (this is my command) |
| 13:38.19 | Guest96855 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.21 | Guest96855 | boot: |
| 13:38.41 | Guest96855 | Um. Could use some more instructive error messages here! |
| 13:40.51 | wols | sounds like the bootloader syslinux which aborts |
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| 13:42.07 | Guest96855 | Seems reasonable |
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| 13:42.33 | Guest96855 | I get control back again, which I wouldn't if it had got as far as loading a fresh kernel |
| 13:42.51 | Guest96855 | I guess the next possibility is the CD drive doesn't like my CD |
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| 13:43.28 | Guest96855 | Would be nice if syslinux would be kind enough to say *why* it aborted! |
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| 13:46.08 | hroi | anybody tried debian 6 on vmware vmplayer? |
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| 13:46.24 | Guest96855 | An interesting possibility: this machine has two CD drives for some reason, but alas the BIOS won't boot from the other -- could that be confusing syslinux when it tries to load the image? |
| 13:46.34 | hroi | im having trouble getting the machine started or booting the iso. |
| 13:46.41 | Guest96855 | Guess I'll disconnect one of the drives internally |
| 13:46.44 | wols | shouldn't. first cd is 0x80 and that's it |
| 13:47.26 | Guest96855 | Hmm. Don't suppose there are any commands other than help (and boot images) available at the boot: prompt? |
| 13:49.16 | wols | not really. question: can you boot from usb? *g* |
| 13:49.31 | wols | heck, can you remove the harddisk and put it into another PC? |
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| 13:53.20 | akatsuki | i uninstalled the drivers from my debian |
| 13:53.29 | akatsuki | now its just a blank screen when i reboot |
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| 13:55.24 | wols | akatsuki: what "drivers" |
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| 13:56.05 | Guest96855 | wols, USB boot? That's optimistic! |
| 13:56.20 | wols | Guest96855: you wanted options :P |
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| 13:57.06 | akatsuki | drivers for my radeon card |
| 13:57.13 | akatsuki | video card |
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| 14:00.54 | wols | akatsuki: press ctrl+alt+f2 and see if you get a console login there |
| 14:01.16 | wols | akatsuki: what kernel version and is the radeon non-free firmware installed? |
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| 14:02.04 | akatsuki | no its not, i couldnt get it to install |
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| 14:02.17 | akatsuki | how do i check what kernel versoin |
| 14:02.22 | wols | uname -a |
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| 14:02.47 | wols | better yet: uname -r gives only the version number |
| 14:02.49 | akatsuki | ok, if i can get a prompt... can i access the network in recovery mode? |
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| 14:03.38 | wols | yes |
| 14:04.55 | wols | you might have to run /etc/init.d/networking restart to start it |
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| 14:05.44 | akatsuki | ok |
| 14:05.54 | akatsuki | and nope im not getting a console login with that shortcut |
| 14:06.06 | akatsuki | what can i do >< |
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| 14:08.14 | ZykoticK9 | wols, regarding the message similar to "this is deprecated," when one runs "/etc/init.d/networking restart" is there actually an updated alternative? |
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| 14:09.37 | siganderson | I would like to install debian through my wireless card but when I launch the installer I can see only rt2500 and other ralink drivers and not rt61pci that is the one I need... and yet that's included in the kernel... the only problem could be the firmware |
| 14:09.51 | wols | ZykoticK9: you can run ifdown/ifup |
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| 14:10.06 | wols | ZykoticK9: but considering the init.d file is still there and also used, why not? |
| 14:10.16 | wols | ZykoticK9: what is the exact message you get? |
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| 14:11.07 | wols | ZykoticK9: it's still in /etc/rcS.d/S40networking and therefore part of the normal debian startup (sid here) |
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| 14:11.36 | ZykoticK9 | wols, i've just been ignoring it (for a while) the actual error is: Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces... (warning)." this is on squeeze |
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| 14:13.15 | ZykoticK9 | wols, that isn't even the best (or worst) english i've seen in an error ;) |
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| 14:16.22 | tuxcrafter | ,kernel --release squeeze-backports |
| 14:16.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1) |
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| 14:17.28 | tuxcrafter | what does the .2 part mean? |
| 14:17.51 | outless | hey i have a problem with python-django anyone can help me? |
| 14:18.12 | tuxcrafter | outless: go th the python irc channel? |
| 14:18.28 | wols | tuxcrafter: 2nd packeted version of this kernel version |
| 14:18.40 | tweek_ | hi everyone! i am trying to reinstall debian to an encrypted lvm. so far i did, according to the wiki: boot the installer, anna-install crypto-modules cryptsetup-udeb, depmod -a, modprobe dm-mod, modprobe aes. now, when i try cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 sda5_crypt, it says 'Failed to setup dm-crypt key mapping for device, check that kernel supports aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher (check syslog), failed to read from key storage'. syslog says kernel: device-map |
| 14:18.46 | wols | outless: depends on the problem |
| 14:19.00 | tuxcrafter | wols: ow i thought the -5 stood for the fith change |
| 14:19.07 | tuxcrafter | ow it is the second build of the same version |
| 14:19.18 | wols | tuxcrafter: could be 2nd bpo kernel then? |
| 14:19.18 | tweek_ | am i missing a module or something? |
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| 14:19.32 | tweek_ | the syslog message is a bit cryptic (no pun intended) |
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| 14:20.46 | themill | tuxcrafter: the kernel ABI revision (/msg dpkg kernel abi) |
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| 14:21.08 | tuxcrafter | /msg dpkg kernel abi |
| 14:21.16 | tuxcrafter | tuxcrafter: /msg dpkg kernel abi |
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| 14:21.22 | cheater__ | hi |
| 14:21.24 | themill | so close |
| 14:21.27 | cheater__ | i'm using ssh over a very lossy link |
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| 14:21.37 | cheater__ | it keeps on disconnecting. how can i fix this? |
| 14:21.57 | SlayerXP | cheater: you can't, use "screen" to keep your session running |
| 14:22.07 | cheater__ | i do, but the disconnects are like every minute |
| 14:22.10 | JPT | or fix the link ;) |
| 14:22.11 | cheater__ | sometimes every few seconds |
| 14:22.16 | cheater__ | i can't fix it |
| 14:22.23 | cheater__ | irc works well on the other hand |
| 14:22.50 | Ox1 | change timeout/keepalive value |
| 14:22.57 | cheater__ | to? |
| 14:23.01 | cheater__ | higher? lower? |
| 14:23.38 | Ox1 | high |
| 14:23.53 | cheater__ | right now my settings are: TCPKeepAlive yes ServerAliveInterval 1 ServerAliveCountMax 10 |
| 14:24.24 | petemc | cheater__: does it disconnect if something like top is running and constantly updating the screen ? |
| 14:24.38 | dvgsvc | anyone know a simple program that captures input from the webcam? |
| 14:24.45 | cheater__ | i've set it to 120 |
| 14:24.53 | cheater__ | petemc, no, it has to do with packet loss. |
| 14:25.08 | tweek_ | dvgsvc: there is one called cheese, i think it's part of gnome |
| 14:25.12 | cheater__ | the link is normally well, but every now and then (a couple times a minute) i'll have total packet loss |
| 14:25.17 | cheater__ | it's a wifi link |
| 14:25.29 | wols | shouldn't tcp buffer that? |
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| 14:25.38 | cheater__ | you'd think wouldn't you |
| 14:25.41 | cheater__ | but tcp gives up |
| 14:25.58 | wols | damn ancient comm protocols. rubbish the lot of them |
| 14:26.55 | dvgsvc | thanks tweek_ |
| 14:27.49 | tweek_ | has anyone here successfully reinstalled debian to an encrypted lvm? because the instructions from the wiki don't work for me |
| 14:28.02 | Ox1 | cheater__: http://drupal.star.bnl.gov/STAR/comp/sofi/facility-access/ssh-stable-con |
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| 14:31.02 | cheater__ | Ox1, thanks |
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| 14:33.14 | cheater__ | btw, i've noticed that using squid with its retry option improves the quality of web experience immensely :o |
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| 14:34.10 | Ox1 | i can imagine |
| 14:34.37 | Ox1 | im tethering through gprs myself right now... |
| 14:34.46 | Ox1 | this for another month |
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| 14:37.50 | cheater__ | Ox1, also a dns proxy helps |
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| 14:39.15 | Ox1 | too lazy for all that crap |
| 14:41.15 | avernos | any idea howto view a remote webcam in a debian server? |
| 14:41.34 | avernos | without making it public |
| 14:41.40 | deathtje | avernos: that question sounds wrong to me ... |
| 14:42.38 | avernos | uhm, how can i view a webcam in another machine through WAN ? |
| 14:42.47 | avernos | i hope thats more understandable |
| 14:43.03 | avernos | sorry... rusty english :S |
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| 14:44.31 | Ox1 | try "webcam streaming" |
| 14:44.42 | avernos | oks |
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| 14:54.33 | lapsusbrutus | Hi how can I check bandwith usage by who an easy way from terminal? ntop is great, but dont want to install that for only one fast check :) lsof -i :80 gives me connections but not bandwith usage |
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| 14:55.39 | hroi | hi |
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| 14:56.00 | hroi | is there an easy way to choose my hostname once i have connected through dhcp? |
| 14:56.11 | hroi | if I dont like the default dhcp given name |
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| 14:57.46 | wols | hroi: you can change your dhclient.conf to request a different hostname |
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| 14:58.35 | wols | lapsusbrutus: ifconfig. but for everything else, you need to install something. iptraf is pretty light tho |
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| 14:58.48 | hroi | wols: thansk |
| 14:58.58 | lapsusbrutus | wols: thansk |
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| 15:00.43 | hroi | wols: strangely under /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf my current name is not mentioned. |
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| 15:01.13 | wols | of course it isn't. which is why you get one assigned by the dhcp server. basically randomly |
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| 15:02.32 | lapsusbrutus | wols: iptraf -g rocked! :D |
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| 15:07.16 | nyov | oh, so I found something ifconfig does but iproute doesn't. packet stats. :( |
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| 15:09.17 | petemc | nyov: ip -s link show eth0 ? |
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| 15:10.40 | wols | something in /proc shows packets too somewhere. I just don't remmeber where. it's where ifconfig gets the info |
| 15:10.48 | nyov | petemc: my hero! (though I don't have eth0) |
| 15:11.50 | nyov | ok, usually I use vnstat, because I have no the timeframe involved in those packet counts |
| 15:11.54 | petemc | 'ip -s link' will show all interfaces |
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| 15:12.44 | nyov | missed the -s switch, thanks. time to dive into ip some more again, I guess |
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| 15:15.08 | kNC | hi guys. whats a good 'source' to input into my file. i cannot locate pine when i enter apt-get |
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| 15:15.42 | wols | !pine |
| 15:15.42 | dpkg | Pine (Program for Internet News and Email) is a non-<DFSG>-free POP3, IMAP and USENET client; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems; to build pine packages in Lenny, ask me about <non-free sources> and "apt-get -b source pine". Removed from Debian to resolve bug #569296, see <alpine>. If you just want the pico editor, ask me about <nano>. |
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| 15:15.48 | movl | kNC: alpine |
| 15:16.07 | kNC | thanks for that bit of info :) |
| 15:16.25 | kNC | !alpine |
| 15:16.26 | dpkg | Alpine is a cross-platform e-mail client for the console. It is a rewrite of <Pine>, distributed under the version 2.0 of the Apache License. It currently has no <maildir> support (Debian bug #405762). http://www.washington.edu/alpine/faq/ |
| 15:16.28 | stew | kNC: pine isn't in debian since it is not free, alpine is a free version |
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| 15:16.43 | kNC | yes i understand after reading, tyvm :) |
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| 15:17.44 | kNC | one other question. how can i put all my cd's i have downloaded for debian into the system so i dont need to keep switching the cd's around. |
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| 15:18.38 | gnarface | kNC: the iso files can be mounted just like drives |
| 15:19.05 | gnarface | kNC: you need -o loopback |
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| 15:20.47 | kNC | thanks gnar |
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| 15:26.02 | trebor_home | hi. i have problems to install a single boot debian6 on an old macbook (2006). i used to have a single boot sidux linux before and the livecd worked, so i tried, but i fail - after finishing the installation, the system does not boot ... |
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| 15:27.33 | trebor_home | any hints (beside dual-boot)? (continuing googling meanwhile) TIA |
| 15:27.44 | trebor_home | (and besides refit) |
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| 15:28.51 | pipeline | trebor_home: assuming you are using boot camp, the most probable cause of failure is the need for a separate /boot |
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| 15:29.05 | pipeline | trebor_home: /boot needs to be hwholly contained within the first 1024 cylinders or so, can't remember the exact limit |
| 15:29.12 | pipeline | trebor_home: if it's PPC, or you're booting via EFI, I have no suggestions. |
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| 15:30.51 | trebor_home | thanks for your suggestions pipeline, i am not using bootcamp, i just tried to put debian raw (like it worked with sidux) no bootcamp/refit/.... just the debiandvd |
| 15:31.59 | trebor_home | (its i386) |
| 15:33.03 | pipeline | trebor_home: I would suggest the use of boot camp. EFI boot is a rare situation for x86 Linux, and Apple EFI is 100% the same as the UEFI you find in more typical x86 UEFI boot |
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| 15:33.50 | pipeline | trebor_home: err rather Apple EFI is weird and unusual and *not* 100% the same as standard UEFI boot |
| 15:34.22 | tharkun | Gentlemen i keep having this BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA while doing apt-get update on squeeze amd64 How can i fix it? |
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| 15:40.12 | trebor_home | pipeline: hm. i didn't use bootcamp/refit/... before (sidux linux didn't need this, too), so i am looking for a solution like that again (waiting 20-30 secs after starting is not a problem for me ;) but thank you very much for your information |
| 15:40.14 | movl | tharkun: http://tinyurl.com/6gn5p6g |
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| 15:40.52 | gnarface | is the default debian kernel compiled to handle 4 procs in smp? 8? what's it set to max at? |
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| 15:41.27 | movl | gnarface: amd64? |
| 15:41.37 | gnarface | movl: yes |
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| 15:42.00 | movl | well then, grab the config from /boot and search it |
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| 15:42.12 | gnarface | what for? |
| 15:42.14 | movl | or /proc/config.gz |
| 15:42.16 | stew | gnarface: 256, i believe |
| 15:42.38 | movl | gnarface: the number is defined there |
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| 15:43.43 | tharkun | movl: not nice |
| 15:43.53 | themill | ,kconfig nr_cpus |
| 15:43.54 | judd | Searching for 'nr_cpus' in squeeze kernel config gives NR_CPUS=32. |
| 15:44.00 | tharkun | there used to be a factoid. Besides all the relevant info is for ubuntu there |
| 15:44.03 | themill | (that's for the -686 kernel not amd64) |
| 15:44.19 | movl | tharkun: it applies just the same |
| 15:44.34 | gnarface | hmm. mine shows 512. so it will recognize and use up to 512 cores? |
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| 15:44.44 | movl | and maybe not nice, but you are generally expected to read and search for yourself |
| 15:45.12 | movl | 512 here too |
| 15:45.23 | cylinc | why there is no initrd.image file in the linux-image-2.6.39-2-* packages? |
| 15:45.39 | gnarface | created after install by a script? |
| 15:46.00 | jelly-home | cylinc: it gets regenerated at install time anyway, doesn't it |
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| 15:46.34 | stew | themill: do we have kconfig for other arches? is that i486? i686? |
| 15:46.38 | cylinc | jelly-home, no, it didn't. the aptitude says: cp: cannot stat `/boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-2-486': No such file or directory |
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| 15:46.49 | stew | themill: i'll bet its 256 for amd64 and 32 for -486 or something |
| 15:47.13 | stew | ahh, CONFIG_NR_CPUS=512 on this amd64 |
| 15:47.32 | jelly-home | cylinc: btw why did you install that -486 kernel? |
| 15:47.35 | themill | stew: only 686 is present in the current incarnation; it was partly just to show what the kconfig key was |
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| 15:48.23 | cylinc | jelly-home: there is no -686 arch, only -686-pae |
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| 15:48.46 | jelly-home | cylinc: and your CPU doesn't have pae? |
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| 15:49.19 | cylinc | and the -686-pae version also has the same problem. My notebook is Celeron M |
| 15:49.53 | jelly-home | cylinc: keep using 686-pae |
| 15:50.19 | pipeline | trebor_home: it is certainly possible that your problem is unrelated to apple-strangeness, but I think you will find troubleshotonig a lot simpler under boot camp. More help to be found. I have no idea where to find information about Apple-specific EFI boot procedures. |
| 15:50.34 | themill | !literal nopae |
| 15:50.34 | dpkg | "nopae" is "<reply>The following x86-32 processors do not support <PAE>: all 400 MHz-bus versions of the Intel Pentium M and Celeron M (i.e. all "Banias" and pre-Sonoma "Dothan"), VIA C3 "Nehemiah" and AMD Geode LX. egrep -q -e '^flags.*pae' /proc/cpuinfo || echo 'PAE not available'" |
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| 15:50.41 | jelly-home | cylinc: I guess you could file a bug against the package(s) if there isn't one already |
| 15:51.08 | Nu^253r | hi, why do i get permission denied, when i try to run some apps, and shell scipts?! can some one shed light on this?! |
| 15:51.39 | cylinc | jelly-home: but no one seems has the same problem as i search the error log in the google |
| 15:52.00 | stew | Nu^253r: show us the output of "ls -l /path/to/file" for one such app or shell script |
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| 15:59.09 | Nu^253r | stew i found what was wrong, i was being dumb :s |
| 15:59.32 | stew | if only we could all stop doing that! |
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| 16:14.04 | trebor_home | bad. there seems to be something sidux had 5 years ago and debian6 still doesn't (grub-efi). |
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| 16:21.22 | tharkun | Gentlemen i have this strange problem. As per https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html and as per http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#How_to_tell_apt_what_to_trust I have the matching keys yet i still get GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> 1.- Do i need any aditional keys. 2.- Is the reporistory c |
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| 16:23.58 | tharkun | apt-key list http://paste.debian.net/120852/ |
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| 16:30.25 | G0d-servant | i upgrade squeeze to sid. i had few problem that those solved. now ther is a problem, when i change the cursor(mouse) theme and save the status, after reboot system cursor theme goes to default. what i do for solve this issue? |
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| 16:31.51 | tharkun | !debian-next |
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| 16:37.07 | darkestkhan | I have small problem: I have machine with two audio devices, both using snd_hda_intel, but the first is hdmi from ati and the second is realtek acl 888 (which should and is using snd_hda_intel) and I would like to somehow swap them so that the acl 888 is the first one used |
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| 16:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | trebor_home: I thought the regular grub worked with efi? It does in CentOS. |
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| 16:41.22 | rizzeh | darkestkhan: type alsamixer and terminal, hit F6, select device |
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| 16:47.07 | nvz | where is the root crontab? |
| 16:47.08 | somiaj | darkestkhan: you can set up the default device in .asoundrc |
| 16:47.16 | somiaj | nvz: /etc/crontab ? |
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| 16:47.37 | tharkun | Is the ftpmaster@debian.org key id the following 473041FA? |
| 16:48.01 | valdyn_ | nvz: /var/lib/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 16:49.29 | nvz | well shit, I do believe I've been hacked |
| 16:49.43 | valdyn_ | nvz: how so? |
| 16:50.21 | nvz | well there is a file in /home/guest I didnt know was there that is being run via cron every minute as guest |
| 16:50.28 | nvz | well as root loggin in as guest |
| 16:50.40 | nvz | couldnt figure out why my system was so slow |
| 16:50.52 | nvz | idk what the file even is.. |
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| 16:51.01 | valdyn_ | nvz: run file on it |
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| 16:51.52 | Glandouille | Hello ! |
| 16:52.16 | nvz | http://paste.debian.net/120857/ |
| 16:52.27 | nvz | I didn't even know /home/guest/.h/ existed |
| 16:52.36 | nvz | its full of something.. still not sure what |
| 16:53.01 | nvz | seems to be doing a number of things |
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| 16:53.53 | valdyn_ | nvz: zombified.. reinstall |
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| 16:54.10 | nvz | valdyn_: seems to you as it does to me eh? |
| 16:54.17 | nvz | I was afraid of that.. |
| 16:54.20 | nvz | ugh |
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| 16:55.33 | lapsusbrutus | zombified is hacked? |
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| 16:55.58 | valdyn_ | lapsusbrutus: no, it means that his computer is likely now being remote controlled |
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| 16:56.30 | valdyn_ | lapsusbrutus: obviously being "hacked" was required for that to happen though |
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| 16:57.29 | nvz | oh well I will go offline and investigate first to find out how the fuck this happened. |
| 16:57.41 | valdyn_ | nvz: thats what i would do |
| 16:57.49 | scoobertron | does can anyone recommend any dlna controller software? I am aware of a lot of options for servers, but can't find anything to actually control the renderers from afar |
| 16:58.30 | nvz | valdyn_: it definately seems like they somehow gained control of the system.. probably via ssh |
| 16:58.42 | lapsusbrutus | gl mvz :) |
| 16:58.46 | nvz | quite swiftly by the look of it |
| 16:58.49 | valdyn_ | nvz: your passwords are that weak? |
| 16:58.56 | nvz | valdyn_: well guest is.. heh |
| 16:59.14 | nvz | I didn't think there was any risk of priv escalation |
| 16:59.30 | nvz | an like an idiot didnt lockout the guest account I made |
| 16:59.33 | nvz | apparently |
| 16:59.35 | valdyn_ | nvz: do you know yet that there was a priv escalation? |
| 16:59.48 | nvz | how the hell do they have a crontab running as root if not? |
| 16:59.58 | valdyn_ | nvz: they dont, if not |
| 17:00.18 | nvz | valdyn_: Jun 24 12:01:01 a1 CRON[28001]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user guest by (uid=0) |
| 17:00.21 | nvz | every minute |
| 17:00.28 | nvz | at exactly 01 seconds |
| 17:00.28 | valdyn_ | nvz: thats guest, not root |
| 17:00.39 | tharkun | ok, i give up i reinstalled debian-archive-keyring which is supposed to fix this Bad Sig GPG error. Where can i start debugging. It is indeed quite frustrating |
| 17:00.47 | valdyn_ | nvz: you are not necessarily rooted |
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| 17:01.00 | nvz | oh.. the uid=0 was misunderstood |
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| 17:01.04 | nvz | cron runs as uid 0 |
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| 17:01.45 | nvz | well I will just disable guest for now and investigate |
| 17:02.00 | nvz | I had been using this as a server with a dyndns domain attached |
| 17:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: You haven't run tripwire or anything have you? |
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| 17:02.41 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: na I just had it running an opensim server |
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| 17:02.47 | nvz | no fancy security |
| 17:02.54 | nvz | guest password is probably guest |
| 17:03.14 | nvz | I forgot that account was on here... prob set it up for someone to use my computer temporarily ages ago and forgot about it |
| 17:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: No debsums? |
| 17:03.17 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:03.39 | darkestkhan | rizzeh: alsamixer f6 and selecting device doesn't change anything (while having alsmixer still open; after closing alsamixer it is defaulting to hdmi) |
| 17:03.40 | nvz | well debsums would work after the fact right? |
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| 17:04.02 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: I don't know for sure, it might accept "as is" files. |
| 17:04.19 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: I would say you want to format the drive and do a clean install. There's no way you can be sure that binaries weren't modified. |
| 17:04.22 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Are there any news or status updates about 6.0.2 (CDs) release status? |
| 17:04.24 | valdyn_ | nvz: its tricky to prove that you are not rooted, hence its tricky to show that debsums does not lie |
| 17:04.39 | valdyn_ | nvz: but can probably use your gut feeling |
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| 17:07.07 | nvz | well I prob need to re-evaluate but my security goes like this.. the servers I sometimes run are for me and friends, seldom used.. doesn't mean the ranom idiot can't mess with it |
| 17:07.29 | nvz | but I assume that debian is solid enough to not be exploited for priv escalation before I realize whats happening |
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| 17:07.48 | nvz | I just have had this machine sitting closed under a shelf for a few weeks and havent been looking at it |
| 17:08.16 | nvz | so at this point I'm not too sure I gotta examine all the logs and files in that directory |
| 17:08.34 | trebor_home | macbook boot problem: it seems that i do not have any osx-cd anymore. how can i make my debian6 installation bootable (grub-efi?) |
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| 17:08.35 | nvz | after I disable the account and remove my wifi module. heh |
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| 17:09.53 | nvz | this is the closest I've been to compromised.. so obviously I need to step things up a notch |
| 17:10.10 | nvz | since I'm apparently too stupid to avoid leaving guest accounts open |
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| 17:11.21 | nvz | ah feck.. something is also running a crontab as root every 10 min |
| 17:11.33 | nvz | oh well gotta go deal with this |
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| 17:11.38 | scoobertron | nvz: I have joined the conversation late, but have you looked into key authentication. |
| 17:12.07 | nvz | scoobertron: I do use keys usually, but this was just negligence obviously |
| 17:12.30 | nvz | I have 3 other machines I've been using and stopped thinking about this one |
| 17:12.43 | scoobertron | nvz: gotcha, I wondered if I would be saying something you already used. Thought I would mention it just in case |
| 17:13.33 | nvz | ugh.. this is a pita.. well I got something to do today... be back later.. its obviously stupid to be on here right now with it internet connected and doing $diety only knows what |
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| 17:14.10 | nvz | time to build a faraday cage.. LOL |
| 17:14.27 | jhutchins_lt | trebor_home: I thought debian's standard grub handled efi ok. The one from CentOS does. |
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| 17:14.55 | dashs | Have the .rhosts rules changed? From Debian 6 host rsh, rlogin always wants a password, no matter what action i take. |
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| 17:19.33 | darkestkhan | somiaj: thx, your solution is working nicely |
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| 17:19.58 | philipballew | how do i connect to the network via cli? |
| 17:21.48 | trebor_home | jhutchins_lt: you are running centos on a macbook? |
| 17:22.04 | kNC | gnarface; how can i do this? |
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| 17:22.53 | jhutchins_lt | trebor_home: I ran it (4.0?) on several mini's. |
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| 17:23.02 | jhutchins_lt | trebor_home: No longer at that job. |
| 17:23.22 | somiaj | darkestkhan: one thing you may want to look into is the order the modules are loaded -- runing bootup you can sometimes get the devices loading in a different order and thus you'll have to modify your .asoundrc to reflect the new default device |
| 17:23.44 | jhutchins_lt | trebor_home: Might have been Cent5. I did have to find a newer version of grub than the original 4, but I didn't need an efi-specific version. |
| 17:23.45 | kNC | Anyone know how I can put all my cd's onto my system so that whenever I try to apt-get install something, it doesnt ask me for CD 1-8. It is rather annoying. gnarface told me it can be done, but i didnt know how |
| 17:24.35 | trebor_home | jhutchins_lt: problem is: there is no osx at all on the mactel, nor do i have any osx-medium. once i had sidux installed (_without_ refit or bootcamp), but debian6 does not boot after installing ... |
| 17:24.49 | tharkun | movl: FYI keys where ok, Somehow the sid repository key is fubaring the squeeze one. I do not know how to fix the problem permanently but comenting the deb-src from sid did avoid the problem alltogether. Next time don't be such an i... |
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| 17:26.23 | jhutchins_lt | trebor_home: As I recall there was a significant time-out, but it was a couple of years ago and I don't remember any details. I'm sure there's info on troubleshooting debian on efi somewhere. |
| 17:27.07 | jhutchins_lt | trebor_home: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 17:28.14 | bs0d | my question is about the latex tools. I need a standalone CLI tool to convert tex to dvi. I have looked in synaptic, they are available as a part of more complex and big package, but I have rather few space and I need only this cli tool. Is it at all possible to download latex or tex2dvi as a standalone program? |
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| 17:31.34 | Glandouille | Hi |
| 17:32.21 | homie | hi hi |
| 17:32.44 | Glandouille | I've just intalled the last debian version, but i ive some problems with packages |
| 17:33.01 | homie | last version ? |
| 17:33.02 | Glandouille | did i missed something ? |
| 17:33.03 | homie | which one ? |
| 17:33.06 | homie | sid ? |
| 17:33.13 | homie | wheezy, squeeze ? |
| 17:33.21 | Glandouille | whait i will tell you |
| 17:33.37 | Glandouille | debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 17:33.40 | trebor_home | jhutchins_lt: hm, i already found that page, but they suggest refit and as far as i understood i need macos for that, right? |
| 17:33.51 | homie | seems squeeze then |
| 17:34.02 | scoobertron | we really need to find some more macho names |
| 17:34.40 | jhutchins_lt | trebor_home: I think you do. I don't know that I ever got rEfit to work properly, I ended up going with straight grub. |
| 17:35.00 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Glandouille about BAT |
| 17:35.02 | homie | Glandouille: what problems do you have with packages ? |
| 17:35.34 | Glandouille | apt-get install dont work |
| 17:37.08 | homie | what does it tell you ? |
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| 17:37.19 | homie | what's the error message ? |
| 17:37.39 | jelly-home | Glandouille: did you get a private message from dpkg bot explaining what information you needs to provide us with? |
| 17:37.46 | Glandouille | unable to locate packages "lniks" |
| 17:37.50 | Glandouille | links* |
| 17:38.08 | Glandouille | jelly-home: yes |
| 17:38.14 | homie | ok which of the main contrib or non-free do you have in your sources.list ? |
| 17:38.21 | homie | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:38.48 | karlpinc | !paste |
| 17:38.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:38.50 | Glandouille | security squeez |
| 17:38.58 | homie | only that one ? |
| 17:38.59 | Glandouille | ftp.debian.fr squeeze |
| 17:39.03 | karlpinc | Glandouille: You can pastebin your sources.list file. |
| 17:39.11 | Glandouille | i cant |
| 17:39.22 | jelly-home | why not? |
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| 17:39.34 | Glandouille | ssh is intalled ? |
| 17:39.39 | Glandouille | sshd* ? |
| 17:39.41 | homie | deb http://ftp.debian.fr/debian squeeze main contrib non-free does the line look like that ? |
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| 17:40.05 | Glandouille | i dont have "contrib non-free' |
| 17:40.16 | epsilon | it's optional |
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| 17:41.25 | homie | so optional is not main |
| 17:41.31 | homie | it's either contrib or non-free |
| 17:41.39 | homie | but i think it's more contrib maybe |
| 17:41.45 | homie | don't know for sure |
| 17:41.46 | Glandouille | no i cant past i cannot connect with ssh to the server ... |
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| 17:42.05 | homie | just add the contrib first to your line and try apt-get update apt-cache search links again |
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| 17:42.20 | movl | tharkun: "i..." what? |
| 17:42.23 | doogaille | Hi everybody |
| 17:42.31 | movl | tharkun: just change the server altogether |
| 17:42.35 | homie | and if still not found add non-free to your sources.list line too |
| 17:42.42 | karlpinc | Glandouille: Have you ever done a "aptitude update"? You need to do that before you can use "aptitude install". |
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| 17:42.58 | Glandouille | karlpinc: yeah a do it |
| 17:43.03 | Glandouille | update / upgrade |
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| 17:49.57 | lapsusbrutus | "We see a lot of Linux machines used in phishing," said Alfred Huger, vice president for Symantec Security Response. "We see them as part of the command and control networks for botnets, but we rarely see them be the actual bots. Botnets are almost uniformly Windows-based." linux's fault period roflol:D |
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| 17:59.28 | bs0d | Which package I have to install from synaptic to get the minimal set of latex compiling tools? |
| 17:59.40 | bs0d | I mean latex -> dvi |
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| 18:01.55 | dondelelcaro | bs0d: texlive is generally what you want |
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| 18:02.49 | dondelelcaro | bs0d: but if you absolutely want the base, see texlive-base et al. |
| 18:02.56 | an0 | Hi all. cifs does not seem to be "built into" my debian lenny kernel, and someone from #samba said I need to get cifs.ko for my exact kernel version and then somehow install it. Help? |
| 18:03.19 | daemonkeeper | Do you really need cifs, or is smbfs fine for you? |
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| 18:04.26 | dondelelcaro | an0: cifs.ko is built for the lenny kernels. |
| 18:04.35 | dondelelcaro | an0: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=cifs.ko&mode=path&suite=oldstable&arch=any |
| 18:05.05 | dondelelcaro | an0: if you don't have it, you aren't running a Debian kernel, and so you should install one or rebuild whatever kernel you're using to have it |
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| 18:09.04 | daemonkeeper | By the way, dondelelcaro, dpkg is your bot, right? Would you mind putting it to #debian-next on OFTC? </OT> |
| 18:09.21 | bs0d | dondelelcaro: I have about 1 GB free space left on a xen virtual box, I need to set up latex web service, that gets input and produces and image, I think all the textlive package would be too heavy |
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| 18:10.45 | dondelelcaro | bs0d: they're not that large, actually |
| 18:10.49 | dondelelcaro | but install whatever you want |
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| 18:13.30 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: Thanks a lot |
| 18:13.53 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 18:22.44 | nvz | well I did a preliminary report on my hacked machine here.. looks like it was probably hacked from freenode and setup as a botnet to run on undernet. http://paste.debian.net/120863/ |
| 18:22.57 | nvz | so far I've disabled the user account and removed the crontab |
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| 18:23.21 | Rob | When I installed Debian 6 I had to put the drivers for my raid controller on a USB stick. Now my computer will not boot without the USB stick. How can I fix this? |
| 18:23.59 | pickcoder | nvz: oops |
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| 18:24.48 | wols | Rob: copy it into the proper place in /lib/modules and run depmod -a |
| 18:24.48 | nvz | pickcoder: i know right? I had apparently during testing some crap with a friend made a guest account with the password guest and forgot to remove it.. heh |
| 18:25.08 | wols | redo your initramfs: /msg dpkg initramfs |
| 18:25.08 | nvz | pickcoder: I'm just trying to determine if I've been rooted.. |
| 18:25.39 | pickcoder | nvz: run rkhunter from a livecd |
| 18:25.47 | pickcoder | chroot to / and run it from there |
| 18:26.14 | nvz | pickcoder: do you know of a live distro that has that? something I could maybe get with unetbootin? |
| 18:26.41 | wols | nvz: if you have enough ram, you can install it on a live distro too if it doesn't have it |
| 18:26.43 | pickcoder | nvz: stick it on a usb stick? |
| 18:26.52 | wols | but I doubt rkhunter is a good idea. nuke it from orbit |
| 18:26.59 | Rob | wols: So in /lib/modules/ I have a dir 2.6.32-5-686 (which is the kernal I assume). Then in there I have /kernel |
| 18:26.59 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:27.17 | nvz | I'd hate to wipe my machine out... but I really cannot say its not rooted |
| 18:27.27 | wols | Rob: there is a subdir "scsi" somewhere. looks like a good place |
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| 18:27.49 | Rob | wols: I have /drivers/scsi |
| 18:27.52 | wols | nvz: save your ~, your /var/spool/mail, cut your losses and nuke :( |
| 18:27.53 | Rob | cd scsi |
| 18:27.56 | Rob | doh |
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| 18:28.23 | nvz | wols: even if I do that I wanna investigate more try figure out what exactly this is, and who put it there |
| 18:28.23 | arch_nme | anyone here from new zealand? |
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| 18:28.49 | wols | nvz: sure. then you need to move it to a VM or such and run it as a honeypot |
| 18:29.18 | wols | if you have enough diskspace and some spare ram, no big problem :) |
| 18:29.28 | wols | ideally you'd want to use a really separate machine for it tho |
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| 18:29.36 | nvz | wols: the problem here is, I had been using this as a tftp server to install other machines.. |
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| 18:29.48 | nvz | and in theory if its rooted they could be too |
| 18:29.48 | wols | ouch |
| 18:29.59 | Rob | wols: I have /kernel/drivers/kernel/aic94xx/aic94xx.ko the files on my usb stick are 'aic94xx-seq.fw' and 'ldlinux.sys' |
| 18:30.01 | pickcoder | and ssh was open to the public? |
| 18:30.10 | pickcoder | tsk tsk |
| 18:30.17 | wols | well, you know how this one is rooted, so check if the others are similarly. not conclusive but strong evidence that's all the attacker did |
| 18:30.42 | wols | Rob: so all you need is a firmware? why haven't you installed the firmware packages? |
| 18:30.51 | nvz | wols: well I suspect this is rooted I'm not certain.. cause I dont see how they would have escalated from the guest |
| 18:31.15 | wols | nvz: your auth log looks conclusive to me. not a rootkit tho it seems |
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| 18:31.32 | wols | and maybe they didn't even root since ssh is uid 0 |
| 18:31.35 | Rob | wols: Well I assumed it got installed when I installed the OS, this was my first reboot of the machine. Took a while to figure out what was wrong. |
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| 18:31.55 | Rob | wols: Plus I don't know how to install the firmware |
| 18:31.56 | nvz | wols: thats what I mean, they prob could've installed the crontab without root |
| 18:32.07 | Rob | wols: I'm googleing it right now |
| 18:32.14 | pickcoder | nvz: where is the cron file located |
| 18:32.16 | nvz | wols: could just be a dumb GNAA troll setup botnet on my machine |
| 18:32.21 | wols | " pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user foo by (uid=0)" |
| 18:32.38 | nvz | pickcoder: *sigh* it was /var/spool/cron/crontabs/guest |
| 18:32.40 | wols | !tell rob about firmware |
| 18:32.51 | nvz | pickcoder: which suggests it is rooted |
| 18:32.57 | wols | Rob: it's a package in debian non-free usually |
| 18:33.02 | pickcoder | nvz: no.. someone logged in and dumped a user cron |
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| 18:33.11 | wols | no it suggests it's only guest that was exploited |
| 18:33.12 | pickcoder | that's legal if your cron accepts user cron jobs |
| 18:33.34 | nvz | yeah this is debian 5.0.4 with default cron setup |
| 18:33.36 | Rob | wols: Cool thanks, Just reading that link right now |
| 18:33.37 | pickcoder | wols: that is what I was implying |
| 18:33.53 | pickcoder | nvz: is the own of the cron file guest or root? |
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| 18:34.42 | nvz | pickcoder: bah.. I deleted it.. heh |
| 18:34.55 | nvz | forgot to ls -l that first |
| 18:34.56 | pickcoder | if it was root.root I would be worried |
| 18:35.02 | wols | nvz: for starters, there is no rootkit. that's certain |
| 18:35.12 | wols | otherwise your auth.log would look very very different |
| 18:35.23 | gohdan | is there any documentation available for using the live-build web-frontend?? http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build |
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| 18:36.06 | pickcoder | additionally, does guest have permissions in sudo |
| 18:36.12 | stew | gohdan: you'll probably have a better chance of getting help in #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
| 18:36.29 | pickcoder | if not, there's not a whole lot that could be done unless your system files pemissions are horribly wrong |
| 18:36.37 | nvz | wols: well there is something suspect in the auth.log as there seems to be a root cronjob running every 10 minutes and I can't figure out what it is or where it is |
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| 18:37.12 | Rob | wols: so the wiki.debian.org/Firmware doesn't exactly help on how to actually install a firmware |
| 18:38.00 | nvz | wols: crontab -u root -l says there is no crontab for root |
| 18:38.09 | simonlnu | goes in /lib/firmware |
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| 18:38.25 | simonlnu | nvz: could be another file or /etc/crontab |
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| 18:38.49 | neuro_damage | I've tried googling, but I can't seem to find a pre-existing AMI for debian squeeze for a production environment, or debian 6.0 squeeze at all |
| 18:38.55 | Rob | simonlnu: ni /lib/firmware on debian 6 |
| 18:39.00 | Rob | clear |
| 18:39.03 | neuro_damage | anyone know where I can find an AMI number for that? |
| 18:39.22 | wols | Rob: do you have "non-free" in your sources.list? |
| 18:39.23 | gohdan | stew: thanks. |
| 18:39.27 | simonlnu | you meant 'no'? so mkdir it... |
| 18:39.39 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 18:39.48 | Rob | simonlnu: yes I did mean no ;) |
| 18:41.01 | pickcoder | nvz: there are cron.d, crontab and ~root |
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| 18:41.45 | TheRedOc1ober | Hi all. is it possible to get ksmd running in debian squeeze running kvm? |
| 18:41.50 | Rob | wols: Yes I do havve "non-free" marked |
| 18:42.04 | wols | Rob: then apt-cache search firmware should give many hits |
| 18:42.09 | nvz | simonlnu: /etc/crontab is as it was when installed.. |
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| 18:42.31 | nvz | this is a bigger snip of auth.log http://paste.debian.net/120870/ |
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| 18:42.48 | nvz | showing the root cronjob. the login as root from nvz was me.. |
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| 18:43.34 | pickcoder | it is running every 60 seconds, not 10 minutes |
| 18:43.35 | neuro_damage | |
| 18:43.52 | pickcoder | (the one for guest) |
| 18:44.12 | nvz | pickcoder: the one for guest I know about and removed.. the one as root I don't know what it is |
| 18:44.14 | wols | Rob: firmware-linux-nonfree should install anything that is available (more or less). if then your firmware isn't there, you can copy the .fw file to /lib/firmware manually. dunno what a "ldlinux.sys" thing does. definitely nothing that looks like linux. check if it has an ELF header |
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| 18:45.56 | dashs | What changed from etch/lenny so that rsh does not honor .rhosts? |
| 18:46.25 | stew | dashs: what does "readlink -f $(which rsh)" return? |
| 18:46.52 | pickcoder | nvz: the one at XX:17 is most likely what's in cron.hourly |
| 18:46.58 | pickcoder | look at /etc/crontab |
| 18:47.02 | dondelelcaro | an0: best to ask your questions here; someone will answer. |
| 18:47.11 | dondelelcaro | is in and out |
| 18:47.16 | dashs | readllre |
| 18:47.19 | nvz | pickcoder: right, but do you not see one running ever xx:x9:xx ? |
| 18:47.40 | nvz | its running every 10 minutes |
| 18:47.59 | nvz | and I have way too much ram being used that I can't seem to account for |
| 18:47.59 | stew | dashs: what that an asnwer to my question? |
| 18:48.00 | pickcoder | nvz: no I see one running at 09 and 39 |
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| 18:48.07 | pickcoder | not 19 or 29 |
| 18:48.25 | dashs | stew: sheiss it's alt to ssh |
| 18:48.35 | nvz | pickcoder: oh right.. |
| 18:49.03 | pickcoder | is there a run-parts for that or is there a cron.d that is set to those times |
| 18:49.04 | dondelelcaro | dashs: there's no reason to use rsh and rhosts anymore. Just use ssh. |
| 18:49.20 | pipeline | rsh and nis can't die soon enough |
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| 18:50.10 | dashs | dondelelcaro: ssh doesn't work for me. |
| 18:50.22 | dondelelcaro | dashs: why? |
| 18:50.38 | nvz | alright, I stopped X and the ram is all accounted for.. idk.. I'm thinking this was only the guest account compromised |
| 18:50.40 | dashs | I don't know the magic config combo |
| 18:50.48 | pickcoder | pipeline: ftp will go away first |
| 18:50.52 | dondelelcaro | dashs: so... time to learn about it? |
| 18:51.13 | dashs | dondelelcaro: where might there be a coherent discussion |
| 18:51.30 | nvz | easier to account for ram when only 60mb is being used.. heh |
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| 18:51.42 | pipeline | pickcoder: if only |
| 18:51.45 | wald0 | why there's not e17 packages anymore in experimental ? |
| 18:52.57 | dondelelcaro | dashs: depends what you want to configure, but man ssh; man sshd_config; pay special attention to known_hosts |
| 18:53.18 | dondelelcaro | wald0: because they are in unstable? |
| 18:53.40 | nvz | oh well.. I am gonna shut this machine off and just not use it for awhile and maybe investigate more.. perhaps see if I can catch flies with honey at some point.. heh |
| 18:54.05 | nvz | I know better, I gotta stop doing stupid shit like that |
| 18:54.49 | wols | nvz: you shouldn't have removed the cronjob then |
| 18:55.03 | wols | why, stalking some script kiddie could be fun :) |
| 18:55.03 | nvz | I have the contents of it |
| 18:55.17 | wols | everyone needs a hobby you know :P |
| 18:55.28 | nvz | I just dont know its original creation date and permissions cause I was too stupid to think of that |
| 18:55.35 | wols | nvz: doesn't matter |
| 18:55.38 | nvz | I have that entire report compiled and saved |
| 18:55.57 | nvz | doesn't matter for a honeypot, but that was relevant to the level of the attack |
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| 18:56.45 | jelly-home | creation dates don't exist on all filesystems anyway |
| 18:56.49 | pickcoder | nvz: you might want to scan for files owned by guest |
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| 18:57.27 | nvz | pickcoder: yeah... I also wanna pick at those binaries in /home/guest/.h/ and see what they are... with strace, ld. etc see what I can figure out about em |
| 18:57.46 | nvz | pickcoder: I assume they are probably componants of an irc client |
| 18:58.04 | pickcoder | the cron job would have described part of it |
| 18:58.22 | nvz | the cronjob only runs the update file |
| 18:58.27 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 18:58.56 | nvz | the contents of all the plaintext files and the cronjob file is in the report I compiled http://paste.debian.net/120863/ |
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| 18:59.22 | wols | nvz: http://www.hex-rays.com/idapro/idadownfreeware.htm not sure if it has a linux binary but it will run in dosbox or wine and will understand ELF |
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| 19:00.36 | nvz | wols: interesting... I don't see any additional risk running them really. cause they could've been run already and if they could damage the system or escalate privlages they would've done it already |
| 19:01.03 | nvz | I have other machines I use day to day.. I can just fool with this netbook as long as needed to gather information |
| 19:01.39 | wols | but IDA pro is a great tool for dissecting stuff and to see what a makes a binary tick |
| 19:01.52 | Rob | wols: Once I've moved the firmware to /lib/local/firmware do I need to change anything in Grub? |
| 19:02.28 | wols | why lib/local/firmware ? |
| 19:02.44 | nvz | I figured I could probably gather a bit from ld and running them and stracing them.. but I just haven't done it yet cause I like to stew on things before I do them.. the preliminary report was fairly uninvasive |
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| 19:03.06 | Rob | wols: Sorry I meant /local/lib/firmware |
| 19:03.07 | wols | Rob: and it depends if you need to boot frm it |
| 19:03.17 | nvz | wols: you'd think if I was rooted they'd have cleaned up the logs |
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| 19:03.47 | Rob | wols: The machine gets to the point of Grub loading and it hangs right before the welcome to Grub |
| 19:03.48 | wols | nvz: exactly. or at least they had if installed a rootkit. rooting is still possible, rootkit not so much |
| 19:03.59 | karlpinc | nvz: It could be a bot rooting you, who knows? |
| 19:04.13 | wols | Rob: then it has nothing to do with usb sticks or such. grub doesn't care about drivers |
| 19:04.24 | wols | Rob: you sure you haven't misinstalled grub? |
| 19:04.40 | Rob | wols: Stick in, computer boots fine, stick out no boot |
| 19:04.42 | nvz | karlpinc: I'm thinking it was a bot running on freenode that found an easy target (guest account password guest) with ssh running and it installed all this into that guest acount automatically |
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| 19:04.57 | wols | Rob: then some part of grub is on that stick |
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| 19:05.45 | nvz | We were testing stuff months ago when this machine was more secure and I setup that damn guest account and forgot about it.. then about a month ago I attached a dyndns name to this box and enabled ssh and crap |
| 19:05.52 | nvz | was just a stupid mistake on my part |
| 19:06.28 | Rob | wols: perhaps the ldlinux.sys file |
| 19:06.36 | pickcoder | nvz: which is why you just make openvpn a part of your access toolkit |
| 19:06.57 | karlpinc | Rob: Proably not worth figuring out. Simplest to re-install grub on the right disks. |
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| 19:07.04 | wols | Rob: no. grub doesn't do such things. and I told you to look at it |
| 19:07.10 | nvz | pickcoder: well when we made the guest account this was all using openvpn with key access etc.. |
| 19:07.22 | nvz | pickcoder: its just that I let that account linger after I changed the setup |
| 19:07.25 | wols | yes, karlpinc is right. most likely the fix is to reinstall grub properly |
| 19:07.33 | Rob | wols: ldlinux.sys is a file used to boot off a FAT32 filesystem |
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| 19:08.07 | nvz | pickcoder: just needed a new unprivlaged user for diagnostic purposes at the time and it wasn't suppose to be perminant.. but we moved on to something else and forgot about it |
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| 19:08.14 | wols | boot what off fat32? |
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| 19:08.38 | pickcoder | nvz: heh |
| 19:08.43 | pickcoder | live n learn |
| 19:08.51 | nvz | lesson learned, never think its a good idea to make an account "guest" with password "guest" |
| 19:08.55 | wols | doesn't sound like anything linux related to me. neither for grub. it very much sounds like some windows driver. which is why I told you to look into that file. do I have to say it a fourth time? |
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| 19:09.32 | pickcoder | nvz: unless it's unplugged from the intarweb |
| 19:09.42 | wols | pickcoder: even then |
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| 19:10.07 | wols | such easy to use user/pass combos are always evil. no need to make it always fancy but not so trivially easy |
| 19:10.26 | Rob | karlpinc: So I should do a 'grub-install /dev/sdd1'? Oh and will running a software raid complicate a grub reinstall? |
| 19:10.42 | pickcoder | I wonder how many people use 'letmein' as a shell pass.. |
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| 19:11.35 | nvz | pickcoder: yeah well that was the idea here.. then I hooked it all up normally and forgot about it.. |
| 19:11.54 | nvz | so the lesson I'm taking from this is just don't ever do it |
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| 19:12.09 | pickcoder | just do it on someone elses machine... |
| 19:12.12 | pickcoder | ;) |
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| 19:13.00 | nvz | pickcoder: I find this to be a good example of why I don't see things like that... any compromised machine can be a problem for everyone.. for all I know my machine has been spamming undernet for the last week or so |
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| 19:13.12 | nvz | I preach this shit to people and did it myself. ugh.. |
| 19:13.16 | pickcoder | nvz: go try to connect and see if you get k-lined |
| 19:13.19 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:13.22 | nvz | haha |
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| 19:14.56 | nvz | oh well I'm turning this machine off and going to get some food.. might play with it at some point.. near as I can tell I identified and neutralized it for now |
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| 19:17.01 | wols | shut down machines are always "neutralized". if not, then skynet already has taken over :) |
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| 19:19.45 | dudz_ | how can i change ownership of something without using root or making something +s ? |
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| 19:20.13 | ompaul | dudz_: care to be more explicit about your use case |
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| 19:20.21 | wols | you can't. you can only change ownership of stuff you own. after that you don't own it anymore and can't change it back |
| 19:20.42 | an0 | apt-get dist-upgrade fixed my cifs problem btw guys |
| 19:20.46 | dudz_ | is there any other way of changing ownership without using the chown binary ? |
| 19:20.59 | ompaul | write your own? |
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| 19:21.08 | wols | dudz_: filemanagers often can chown too |
| 19:21.26 | wols | but they can't do anything else that chown cannot do |
| 19:21.41 | dudz_ | ok thanks |
| 19:21.45 | Rob | is there a tool to help reinstall grub? I'm lost after reading the man grub-install |
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| 19:22.21 | stew | wols: wait, no, you can't even change ownership of stuff you own |
| 19:22.26 | stew | only root can change ownership |
| 19:23.31 | randy909 | Getting an error attempting to create a deb of a cpan module with debuild |
| 19:23.42 | randy909 | dpkg-source: warning: can't parse dependency perl/libinline-perl (>= 0.44) |
| 19:23.42 | randy909 | dpkg-source: error: error occurred while parsing Build-Depends |
| 19:23.53 | randy909 | suggestions? |
| 19:24.31 | randy909 | the 'perl' in perl/liblinline-perl seems to be an issue |
| 19:24.33 | stew | randy909: i don't know why "perl/" would be there. but if you aren't, you should be using dh-make-perl |
| 19:24.42 | randy909 | i am |
| 19:25.09 | randy909 | dh-make-perl is the step prior to running debuild as per http://www.idimmu.net/2008/02/01/Turning-CPAN-modules-in-to-deb-with-dh-perl-make |
| 19:25.22 | wols | stew: you're right. stupid me :( |
| 19:25.42 | wols | !tell Rob about fixmbr |
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| 19:26.54 | Rob | :!supergrub |
| 19:27.10 | wols | Rob: outside the scope of #debian, unsupported |
| 19:27.26 | Iridos | Rob, try /msg dpkg supergrub |
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| 19:27.40 | Iridos | wols, that was a reference within the factoid |
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| 19:42.23 | Iridos | a reference to another factoid inside the fixmbr factoid* |
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| 19:51.58 | melik | hello #debian, here is my dilemna; i have a headless server (no usb keyboard/mouse), i dont have ssh installed |
| 19:52.14 | melik | is there any possible way i can somehow access the server :/ |
| 19:52.22 | daemonkeeper | Remotely? |
| 19:52.27 | melik | yes daemonkeeper |
| 19:52.29 | epsilon | not even telnet? |
| 19:52.30 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 19:52.39 | melik | nothin whatsoever |
| 19:52.42 | melik | nothing* |
| 19:52.48 | epsilon | no serial/console? Then no |
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| 19:53.05 | melik | argh :( |
| 19:53.10 | daemonkeeper | Even a serial terminal would have to be enabled before |
| 19:53.11 | melik | i' |
| 19:53.29 | epsilon | call a technician in datacenter |
| 19:53.42 | epsilon | or use some rescue-mode if it's available as service |
| 19:54.24 | melik | epsilon: its just a home server |
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| 19:54.36 | melik | are there any live CD's that have SSH preinstalled |
| 19:54.41 | melik | time to google |
| 19:55.41 | daemonkeeper | Well, if its your home server, why don't you just attach a keyboard for a moment? |
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| 19:56.33 | daemonkeeper | Plug it in, hit ctrl+alt+f1, type root, your root password, apt-get install ssh, y, wait. |
| 19:56.52 | daemonkeeper | You don't even need a monitor |
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| 20:07.15 | aguitel | where is flashplugin file in the system ? |
| 20:08.05 | boudiccas | aguitel; what system? what architecture? |
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| 20:08.21 | aguitel | boudiccas, amd64 |
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| 20:09.06 | boudiccas | aguitel; have you tried sudo uodatedb, and then when thats finsihed locate flashplugin? |
| 20:09.27 | aguitel | boudiccas, no |
| 20:09.51 | linux4ever | hi all |
| 20:10.01 | arch_nme | hi |
| 20:10.07 | aguitel | boudiccas, sudo uodatedb ? |
| 20:10.13 | linux4ever | I wanna install lxde on my Debian, but I get this error message: http://pastie.org/2117661 |
| 20:10.14 | boudiccas | aguitel; yes |
| 20:10.19 | linux4ever | Can anyone help me? |
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| 20:10.28 | aguitel | sudo: uodatedb: command not found |
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| 20:10.47 | boudiccas | aguitel; check your spelling, its not correct |
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| 20:10.57 | arch_nme | linux4ever, no |
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| 20:11.24 | boudiccas | aguitel; sorry, i made th etypo its 'updatedb' |
| 20:11.28 | aguitel | boudiccas, see what you write |
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| 20:11.41 | zapadlo | linux4ever Could we get the error in English possibly? |
| 20:11.49 | wols | linux4ever: LANG=C apt-cache policy pcmanfm |
| 20:12.17 | wols | linux4ever: and I suggest you run "aptitude install lxde" usually better explanation what is happening |
| 20:12.30 | linux4ever | wols: ok, mom |
| 20:12.56 | Rob | where is the menu.lst file? It is not in /boot/grub/ |
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| 20:13.30 | boudiccas | Rob; do sudo updatedb, and when thats finished locate menu.1st |
| 20:13.42 | wols | Rob: grub2 doesn't use it anymore. there is a grub.cfg but you should not edit it |
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| 20:14.24 | wols | Rob: tell us what you want to accomplish, maybe we can help |
| 20:14.33 | Rob | wols: Debian 6 uses grub2? |
| 20:14.48 | wols | yes it does |
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| 20:16.32 | Rob | I've been reading and is it possible that without the USB key my hd which was at say /dev/sdb(key in) is now at /dev/sda(key out)? |
| 20:16.34 | aguitel | boudiccas, what the best way to install flash in 64-bits system? |
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| 20:17.17 | wols | aguitel: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:17.18 | boudiccas | aguitel; try sudo apt-get install flash , but thats the only way that i know of |
| 20:17.46 | wols | boudiccas: that won't work |
| 20:17.58 | wols | Rob: yes |
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| 20:18.32 | Rob | wols: thats why I was looking for menu.1st, is there a way to fix this in Grub2? |
| 20:18.54 | wols | Rob: what is your problem? do you get a grub> prompt? |
| 20:19.23 | Rob | wols: No it hangs right before the grub prompt |
| 20:19.44 | wols | then grub.cfg or menu.lst won't help you. reinstall grub |
| 20:20.17 | Rob | well hopefully super grub 2 will help, otherwise the key is going to have to stay |
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| 20:21.13 | wols | Rob: did you follow the fixmbr factoid? |
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| 20:22.41 | linux4ever | wols: lol, with aptitide it seems to work |
| 20:22.50 | linux4ever | wols: aptitude |
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| 20:22.52 | Rob | wols: Not yet, I am not familiar with half of the stuff it wants |
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| 20:25.24 | Iridos | judd, versions pcmanfm |
| 20:25.26 | judd | Package pcmanfm on i386 -- lenny: 0.5-3; squeeze: 0.9.7-1; sid: 0.9.8-1; wheezy: 0.9.8-1 |
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| 20:26.05 | Iridos | linux4ever, you're mixing distributions |
| 20:27.19 | kymeng__ | any ideas where i can find how/doc/guide to setup oracle11g xe on debian 5 64bit? |
| 20:27.44 | linux4ever | Iridos: What? |
| 20:27.54 | linux4ever | wols: Do I need LXDE core? |
| 20:27.55 | wols | ,versions pcmanfm |
| 20:27.56 | judd | Package pcmanfm on i386 -- lenny: 0.5-3; squeeze: 0.9.7-1; sid: 0.9.8-1; wheezy: 0.9.8-1 |
| 20:27.59 | kymeng__ | i can't seem to find any info/instructions on google |
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| 20:28.10 | Iridos | linux4ever, you're mixing stable with testing |
| 20:28.18 | wols | linux4ever: you are mixing squeeze and wheezy. which is a very very stupid thing to do |
| 20:28.18 | Iridos | and don't say "what" again |
| 20:28.26 | linux4ever | Iridos: Is that bad? |
| 20:28.33 | linux4ever | Iridos: Sorry. |
| 20:28.50 | Iridos | well, it's bad if you wanted "stable" |
| 20:28.55 | kymeng__ | i got oracle10 xe installed and i want to install 11g xe as well. |
| 20:28.58 | Iridos | good if you enjoy fixing dependency problems |
| 20:29.07 | kymeng__ | any suggestions? |
| 20:29.30 | ompaul | kymeng__: if you are playing in that space chrooted or vms |
| 20:29.40 | linux4ever | Iridos: So I should install testing instead? |
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| 20:29.51 | kymeng__ | uh? |
| 20:29.58 | wols | !bobbitt |
| 20:29.58 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 20:29.59 | linux4ever | Iridos: Is it possible to install testing with LXDE from the start? |
| 20:30.28 | kymeng__ | is that necessary? |
| 20:30.50 | centHOGG | lubuntu |
| 20:30.52 | extraclassic | linux4ever: just install without a gui and then add lxde & xorg |
| 20:31.24 | darmster | case closed |
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| 20:31.28 | linux4ever | centHOGG: lubuntu doesn't run on PowerPc |
| 20:31.51 | Iridos | linux4ever, we only recommend using testing if you feel comfortable fixing the bugs that will inadvertently happen in testing (i.e. at the point where, whenever you ask something in here, nobody is able to answer anymore :-P) |
| 20:31.52 | linux4ever | centHOGG: Can you advice a distri for powerpc? |
| 20:32.02 | centHOGG | PPC... wait for it..... |
| 20:32.07 | centHOGG | BWHAHHAHHHAAAAHAAA |
| 20:32.18 | centHOGG | mac puppy |
| 20:32.22 | linux4ever | Iridos: OK, I don't want that |
| 20:32.28 | extraclassic | from the sound of it i'd go with OSX |
| 20:32.37 | centHOGG | concur |
| 20:32.47 | linux4ever | @all: Where to get a PowerPC distri, which is not Debian? |
| 20:32.48 | darmster | same here |
| 20:33.01 | ompaul | linux4ever: ask in #linux |
| 20:33.03 | kymeng__ | i ran aptitude install mysql-server-5.0, and get this erorr: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 20:33.12 | kymeng__ | any ideas? |
| 20:33.16 | linux4ever | ompaul: Thx. |
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| 20:35.41 | kymeng__ | is there a mysql 5.1 source list for debian 5.0 64bit? |
| 20:35.48 | gnarface | ok so i've done something ill advised and bought 4GB of ram |
| 20:35.58 | gnarface | is there any way to get more than 3 of it useable? |
| 20:36.19 | centHOGG | 64bit os |
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| 20:36.35 | gnarface | centHOGG: curiously enough i AM running amd64 debian |
| 20:36.43 | centHOGG | hmm |
| 20:37.01 | centHOGG | verified both sticks ok, verified mb ok? |
| 20:37.15 | gnarface | centHOGG: part of it that's weird is the bios shows it. its all like 4096MB of ram. 3021 useable. |
| 20:37.31 | centHOGG | ok, what bios |
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| 20:37.31 | gnarface | or something like that |
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| 20:37.40 | gnarface | latest |
| 20:37.45 | centHOGG | ami or phoenix |
| 20:37.49 | gnarface | oh |
| 20:37.51 | oops | i get these errors when i launch php5 from the shell: http://pastebin.com/E6HHcBr9 how can i fix them? |
| 20:38.00 | gnarface | uh amibios i think . its an asus board |
| 20:38.03 | centHOGG | ok |
| 20:38.17 | centHOGG | off the top of your head... what date on bios (year) |
| 20:38.29 | centHOGG | old? |
| 20:38.35 | wols | oops: dpkg -l php5-mysql |
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| 20:38.59 | digdilem | gnarface, on the offchance you don't want the hassle of switching a 32 bit os to 64 bit (which is non trivial), install a 32 bit bigmem kernel |
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| 20:39.06 | gnarface | centHOGG: no actually its this year. website said like april 29 or something but the bios itself says january 28 |
| 20:39.30 | digdilem | (I d/c'd mid conversation there, so apologies if I missed some thread-changing line) |
| 20:39.45 | centHOGG | idk, swap the slots of the ddrs... |
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| 20:40.05 | centHOGG | 3 levels here (hardware, firmware, software)... |
| 20:40.08 | gnarface | digdilem: i'm on a 64-bit operating system with a 64-bit chip. the *bios* is telling me i can't address more than the first 3GB. the *manual* for it says that's only a windows XP and older issue... it doesn't mention the bios caring at all |
| 20:40.20 | oops | wols, appended dpkg output here: http://pastebin.com/FBhqPejJ |
| 20:40.23 | digdilem | gnarface, ah, sorry. AGP window in bios set sillily large? |
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| 20:40.56 | gnarface | digdilem, centHOGG its behaving exactly like that actually. but no, its not even an agp board and the onboard video is off so shouldn't be taking any ram |
| 20:40.59 | wols | oops: either reinstall it or purge it |
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| 20:41.10 | oops | wols, okay |
| 20:41.17 | centHOGG | hiren's boot cd... memtest or other |
| 20:41.32 | digdilem | gnarface, idk either then. bios reserving a chunk of ram for video was my only guess |
| 20:41.37 | wols | gnarface: it's usually a badly programmed BIOS. not sure how it's called in BIOS |
| 20:41.45 | centHOGG | reset to factory bios |
| 20:41.48 | wols | and usually only happens in old ones :( |
| 20:41.57 | wols | gnarface: BIOS recognizes all 4GB or not? |
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| 20:42.17 | gnarface | wols: it literally recognizes all 4gb but tells me only the first 3 will be visible |
| 20:42.41 | wols | gnarface: check for somethng like "memory hole" or such. or memory mapping. anything of that kind |
| 20:42.43 | centHOGG | gnarface: your prob sounds vaguely familiar |
| 20:42.53 | centHOGG | reset to factory bios |
| 20:43.01 | wols | your problem was very common when athlon64 first came out but less and less so over time |
| 20:43.09 | gnarface | centHOGG: the factory bios doesn't support this cpu so ... that won't work |
| 20:43.23 | centHOGG | there you go |
| 20:43.25 | gnarface | wols: is the memory hole supposed to be enabled or disabled? |
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| 20:43.31 | wols | enabled |
| 20:43.48 | wols | gnarface: he means default settings. not reflashing the BIOS |
| 20:43.50 | gnarface | wols: oh!? well how dumb of me, i disabled it. how does that interfere with the last gigabyte? |
| 20:43.52 | centHOGG | find the board on google/newegg and then pastebin it here |
| 20:44.07 | gnarface | i think wols just guessed my problem |
| 20:44.10 | wols | gnarface: there is a "hole" needed for PCI address space IIRC |
| 20:44.15 | gnarface | ah i see |
| 20:44.27 | gnarface | i'll try that and come back |
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| 20:44.40 | wols | basically BIOS; PCI addresses etc use the space from 3 to 4GB where they always are, 32 or 64. |
| 20:44.50 | centHOGG | time for a prop out to OCZ memory |
| 20:45.23 | centHOGG | i had 2gb fail on me and they sent 4gb rippers back |
| 20:45.44 | project2501a | hey guys, i am trying to learn about d-i and FAI, rather fast. anyway, i think i lost my way a bit. i read the links on the wiki, but i still do not get everything. i mean, is that all there is to d-i? preseed, make image, netboot? |
| 20:45.50 | project2501a | i thought i'd be more magical somehow |
| 20:45.58 | project2501a | maybe someone forgot to add the unicorns. |
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| 20:51.55 | gnarface | hooray it worked! |
| 20:52.04 | gnarface | thanks guys!!! |
| 20:52.13 | gnarface | setting "memory hole remapping" |
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| 20:52.23 | gnarface | i was thinking "wtf i don't want any holes in my memory - DISABLE!" |
| 20:52.28 | Digdilem | heh, cool |
| 20:52.29 | gnarface | stupid |
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| 20:52.36 | gnarface | stupid of me |
| 20:52.55 | wols | BIOS needs to be at the end of 4GB since x86 starts in 32bit mode and starts BIOS there. that's why there must be a hole |
| 20:52.58 | gnarface | now 4095 of 4096 MB are available according to the bios (and free -mt) |
| 20:53.09 | kaolc2 | I'm trying to install windows after having tried Debian. Yes, I know I'm sinning but it's complicated. I've used gparted to boot from it and format the main drive back to ntfs. Now I've inserted a USB stick with an extracted win7 iso on it and I get the message "SYSLINUX 4.02 debian-20101016 ED copyright ... ERROR: No configuration file found. No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found! boot: _" I'm supposed to enter someth |
| 20:53.10 | kaolc2 | ing here. I have no clue what to do and googling didn't tell me a lot. Could anyone please help me out? i'd very much appreciate it. |
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| 20:53.39 | gnarface | wols: got it. now i know. thanks :) |
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| 20:54.11 | centHOGG | good job |
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| 20:54.35 | wols | kaolc2: create a proper windows usb stick installer. nothing to do with debian or linux. syslinux is often used for usb sticks to boot. your method of putting windows on the stick probably uses it |
| 20:54.48 | gnarface | now for the next issue... powernow-k8 seems to be allergic to the new cpu.... but what other module would i use for an AMD chip? |
| 20:54.50 | wols | and that method has failed. |
| 20:55.19 | wols | gnarface: standard cpufrequtils. it's all in the kernel now for a long time. just set the proper ondemand governor |
| 20:56.08 | gnarface | wols: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor: |
| 20:56.16 | gnarface | wols: No such file or directory |
| 20:56.19 | kaolc2 | wols, I see, thanks.. Unfortunately, me having to switch back wasn't debian's fault, it was the people who didn't make a debian port of a program's fault.. Running the program I'm dependent on in wine is too intensive for my hardware, unfortunately.. |
| 20:57.25 | wols | gnarface: default debian kernel? |
| 20:57.55 | gnarface | wols: Linux houseofgnar 2.6.39-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jun 8 11:01:04 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:58.50 | wols | try a .32 kernel for testing maybe? it should be there :( |
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| 20:59.10 | Digdilem | apparently 2gb flash drives don't take kindly to going through the washing machine |
| 20:59.26 | wols | did it rust? |
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| 21:00.08 | Digdilem | udevd finds it and allocates it ok, but cfdisk won't open it, and mount just fails |
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| 21:00.39 | wols | Digdilem: and dd does what? |
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| 21:01.52 | Digdilem | wols, dd if=/dev/sdc of=/tmp/thing :: dd: opening `/dev/sdc': No medium found |
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| 21:02.02 | Digdilem | it's a very small paperweight |
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| 21:02.27 | wols | you could try and clean the pcb with isopropyl if you are desperate, but cheaper to buy a new one |
| 21:02.29 | philipballew | how do i connect to a router via the comand line |
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| 21:02.40 | wols | philipballew: depends how you want to connect |
| 21:03.01 | wols | and what options the router offers |
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| 21:05.26 | philipballew | wols well i want to connect to be connected to the network? |
| 21:05.29 | leandro_ | hello, help for make my debian with programs preferred |
| 21:06.15 | wols | philipballew: connect how? wired, wireless, etc? |
| 21:06.26 | philipballew | oh sorry. wireless |
| 21:06.30 | philipballew | wols |
| 21:06.37 | philipballew | to a router with wpa |
| 21:06.41 | wols | philipballew: what wlan chip, what kernel version? |
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| 21:12.17 | kaolc2 | wols, you said " create a proper windows usb stick installer. " what exactly did you mean with this? |
| 21:12.44 | centHOGG | you mean that windows usb installer prog? |
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| 21:13.26 | wols | kaolc2: microsoft used a special tool to put a windows ISO on a usb stick. use it. my guess is you used unetbootin or such, right? |
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| 21:13.40 | wols | *microsoft release a special.... |
| 21:13.57 | kaolc2 | wols, correct, however I can't seem to get the tool working as it won't run on wine and I have no windows based system |
| 21:14.02 | centHOGG | they have a nicer tool in windows for that, i came across it a while back for isos |
| 21:14.12 | wols | kaolc2: we don't give a fsck. it's windows... |
| 21:14.13 | kaolc2 | isn't it a bit counter-productive that you need windows to install windows? |
| 21:14.29 | kaolc2 | okay wols, sorry, this is the wrong channel for this |
| 21:14.34 | wols | exactly |
| 21:14.34 | centHOGG | bart pe |
| 21:14.43 | kaolc2 | I'm just not sure where to go? Any suggestions? |
| 21:14.49 | wols | ##windows |
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| 21:15.01 | kaolc2 | sorry again, thanks for the help |
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| 21:22.33 | gnarface | doh! to anyone who was curious why i couldn't get powernow-k8 to load, turns out its because i shut something else off in the bios like an idiot. |
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| 21:26.04 | smacnay | I just removed all nvidia stuff from my computer and am trying to get the nouveau driver to work. Do I still need an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
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| 21:28.56 | extraclassic | smacnay: if you had one there before that nvidia-xconfig made then i'd delete it and make another with X -configure, but I don't think you really need one anymore |
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| 21:36.05 | gajbooks | When i try to load extra modules from the cd on a mac ppc g3 old world, it says it failed to load and crashes the computer when it trys to load the acpi modules |
| 21:36.50 | gajbooks | (debian 5.0.8, because 6.0 wont even boot) |
| 21:36.54 | centHOGG | mac life is like that |
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| 21:40.49 | NTU | hi!! |
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| 21:41.21 | NTU | I have two audio chipsets / controllers whatever. An HT OMEGA STRIKER 7.1 PCI sound card and an On-board Realtek ALC889 |
| 21:41.30 | NTU | How do I make the ALC889 the default? |
| 21:41.42 | centHOGG | alsamixer |
| 21:42.03 | NTU | thats to control volume and select which one to modify. not specify default.. |
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| 21:42.52 | NTU | like in iceweasel i want to watch a youtube video, but its putting the sound through the HT Omega. Not on-board |
| 21:43.43 | peterrooney | gajbooks: try joining #debianppc |
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| 21:44.42 | NTU | also i used the LXDE expert net installl. |
| 21:45.05 | lampe2 | is there a way to reinstall mysqlserver without losing the databeses ? |
| 21:45.47 | phogg | NTU: you can set the default in ~/.asoundrc , I think |
| 21:46.27 | NTU | is there a way to not make the HT Omega noticable though? i.e. blacklist module |
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| 21:47.08 | phogg | NTU: yes, that would be one way to do it if you just want it not to exist |
| 21:47.14 | NTU | yeah thats what i want |
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| 21:47.44 | NTU | is there a way to do the options snd slots= trick in debian? |
| 21:48.03 | NTU | i.e. /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf ? |
| 21:48.04 | phogg | NTU: used to be you could add a line to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, not sure if that's still how it's done |
| 21:48.13 | centHOGG | NTU: what is your DE? |
| 21:48.18 | NTU | centHOGG, LXDE |
| 21:48.20 | centHOGG | gnome has a selector |
| 21:48.21 | centHOGG | oh |
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| 21:49.01 | centHOGG | buried in lxde somewhere |
| 21:49.11 | phogg | NTU: you can just create a file in modprobe.d that has the options in it that you want |
| 21:49.21 | NTU | ah blacklist.conf has it |
| 21:49.44 | NTU | now i need to figure out the HT Omega / C-MEDIA module :) |
| 21:49.48 | phogg | NTU: I would keep the blacklist stuff in blacklist.conf and any other options in another file |
| 21:50.49 | NTU | darn it! sudo modprobe -r snd_cmipci now alsamixer says cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
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| 21:51.13 | phogg | NTU: both cards use the same module? |
| 21:51.29 | NTU | no the realtek uses snd_hda_codec_realtek |
| 21:52.16 | NTU | hmm maybe i'll try #alsa too |
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| 21:53.08 | centHOGG | i thought alsa had a device switch function |
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| 21:55.01 | gnarface | you can set the index= module option to assign a non-default order to the cards (otherwise its the order they posted in, i think) |
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| 21:55.25 | project2501a | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller hey guys i'm reading this URL on debian installer, but i am still confused what am i supposed to know, in order to understand the debian installer |
| 21:55.29 | centHOGG | something like init.d |
| 21:55.34 | project2501a | i mean, should i just read the installation manual? |
| 21:55.41 | project2501a | ... i don't get it |
| 21:56.04 | centHOGG | have you ever installed before |
| 21:56.08 | project2501a | yeah |
| 21:56.17 | centHOGG | so what's the hangup |
| 21:56.47 | project2501a | i understood pre-seed and i read the reference with all the options preseeding has |
| 21:56.57 | project2501a | um, it can't be that simple |
| 21:56.59 | project2501a | can it? |
| 21:57.02 | project2501a | is that all? |
| 21:57.12 | centHOGG | idk.. i just use the netinstall |
| 21:57.35 | project2501a | what about making a pre-seeded, netbooted netinstall image? |
| 21:57.43 | centHOGG | idk |
| 21:57.54 | centHOGG | what are you trying to do |
| 21:57.58 | centHOGG | multiple pcs |
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| 21:58.13 | project2501a | centHOGG: yeah |
| 21:58.24 | centHOGG | haven't done that yet :) |
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| 22:04.55 | public_ | hello, i would like to download all packages from a 'apt-get dselect-upgrade', on another machine.. is it possible ? |
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| 22:05.06 | CSSipi | Does anyone have a link to a guide or anyone that could explain how to open port 27000 to 29000 on my debian machine? |
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| 22:05.31 | NTU | CSSipi, firestarter or something? |
| 22:05.35 | kNC | CSSipi; I thoughtyou said does anyone have a life.: Lol. |
| 22:05.41 | petemc | CSSipi: what is closing them? |
| 22:05.42 | public_ | i mean i would like to download it from one machine.; to install it on another... |
| 22:05.49 | NTU | or just any iptables front end? |
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| 22:06.43 | kNC | CSSipi; just forward it on the router if you have one. if not, IPTables would be best bet. |
| 22:06.43 | lampe2 | if i reinstall mysql with apt-get reinstall did i lose the db's ? |
| 22:07.07 | CSSipi | petemc: How can I find out? I've got a firewall on the network, but all of a sudden it's not working on machine1 |
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| 22:07.36 | public_ | lampe2, purge is supposed to destroy it.. 'reinstall', i suppose not, but a backup doesn't hurt |
| 22:07.52 | petemc | CSSipi: debian doesnt configure a firewall by default. do you have something listening on those ports? |
| 22:07.57 | public_ | CSSipi, what is not "working" ? |
| 22:08.01 | lampe2 | public_, the mysql dont start... so i cant make a fresh backup |
| 22:09.00 | CSSipi | petemc: no |
| 22:09.06 | public_ | lampe2, seems broken ( i am no fan of mysql, and hardly ever used it.. not sure i could be of any help) |
| 22:09.30 | petemc | CSSipi: then what do you need to open them for ? |
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| 22:09.54 | public_ | lampe2, but whatever you do, if you db matters.. make a backup is the first thing to do |
| 22:10.34 | pickcoder | CSSipi: firstly, are you asking about outgoing requests to port 27000 or incoming requests |
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| 22:10.52 | public_ | lampe2, if it matters, you'd better fix your db, make a backup and do all you want |
| 22:11.01 | CSSipi | public_: My game servers won't start with the port "port: 27036 bind: Cannot assign requested address" - it has been working perfectly for two years |
| 22:11.27 | public_ | CSSipi, netstat -ntlp | grep 27036 |
| 22:11.28 | lampe2 | public_, i cant backup it cause he says that the socket dont work |
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| 22:11.57 | public_ | lampe2, check if mysql is not already working for some reason.. and grabbed the port.. |
| 22:12.07 | public_ | lampe2, netstat -ntlp |
| 22:12.38 | SteveExodus | any idea where debian maintainers hang out? I need to put a package in a debian repository |
| 22:13.01 | CSSipi | hm |
| 22:13.07 | lampe2 | public_, no its not running |
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| 22:13.40 | public_ | lampe2, maybe the network is not "configured".. ??? |
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| 22:14.00 | lampe2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.24 | pickcoder | CSSipi: 'netstat -an | grep 27036' should not show anything if the port is truely free to be used for a service |
| 22:14.29 | lampe2 | maybe this helps ? |
| 22:15.18 | nsadmin | either the socket file doesn't exist, the mysql isn't running, or both |
| 22:16.34 | lampe2 | nsadmin, oh the socket file is not there |
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| 22:16.54 | nsadmin | lampe2, try restarting mysql |
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| 22:17.18 | nsadmin | or stop then start |
| 22:17.18 | lampe2 | nsadmin, i cant start the server |
| 22:17.24 | nsadmin | why? |
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| 22:17.50 | lampe2 | cause when i do mysqld start it says failed |
| 22:18.14 | nsadmin | try /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 22:18.29 | nsadmin | then /etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 22:18.40 | lampe2 | nsadmin, this works cause the server is not runing |
| 22:20.20 | public_ | i would like to download all dpkg --get-selection packages on one machine to install packages on another.. is it possible ? |
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| 22:22.03 | boudiccas | public_; so you want one machien to acts as a server and repo, is that right? |
| 22:22.21 | lapsusbrutus | are encrypted fs a lot more prone to corruption than not encypted ones? safe to store bacups there e.g or should it be avoided for important data? |
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| 22:22.58 | lulzyboy | guys |
| 22:23.04 | lulzyboy | i think i may have screwed up |
| 22:23.26 | public_ | boudiccas, yes |
| 22:23.37 | lulzyboy | http://pastebin.com/pZUkesiv |
| 22:23.51 | lulzyboy | i added deb testing into sources and did an upgrade |
| 22:23.55 | public_ | boudiccas, but i'd like to download only the necessary packages.. not 4GB |
| 22:23.59 | lulzyboy | but i dunno if my system will boot when i restart it |
| 22:24.06 | lulzyboy | its perfectly fine right now |
| 22:24.12 | gnarface | lulzyboy: yes, that was probably a mistake |
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| 22:24.37 | boudiccas | public_; how do you define the 'necessary' packages? |
| 22:24.40 | themill | (everything beyond line 15 of that sources.list is a mistake) |
| 22:24.49 | pickcoder | lapsusbrutus: encrypted file systems are more problematic to recover, obviously.. stability really depends on your hardware choices |
| 22:25.05 | wols | themill: dmm is not _that_ bad |
| 22:25.06 | lulzyboy | is there a way i can check if my system will be fine upon reboot? |
| 22:25.18 | wols | lulzyboy: no |
| 22:25.28 | boudiccas | lulzyboy; reboot? |
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| 22:25.35 | wols | lulzyboy: how many packages from testing have you installed? |
| 22:25.40 | lulzyboy | all |
| 22:25.47 | wols | you did a dist-upgrade? |
| 22:25.48 | themill | wols: have you heard of ABIs? |
| 22:25.48 | public_ | boudiccas, i upgrade my laptop.. laptop is overheating.. hence i'd like to download everything on the desktop and then upgrade on laptop.. instead of leaving.. laptop for the whole night.. |
| 22:25.54 | lulzyboy | yes |
| 22:25.56 | lulzyboy | well |
| 22:25.57 | lulzyboy | no |
| 22:26.03 | lulzyboy | i did apt-get upgrade |
| 22:26.21 | nsadmin | lulzyboy, any errors? |
| 22:26.23 | wols | themill: heard someone mention the letters. so what about them? |
| 22:26.24 | lulzyboy | no |
| 22:26.41 | themill | wols: dmm seems not to have most of the time. It's a great way of breaking players on a regular basis. |
| 22:26.46 | nsadmin | did it install a new kernel? |
| 22:26.57 | wols | public_: underclock it then. and downloading doesn't take any CPU, at all |
| 22:27.10 | gnarface | lulzyboy: i have done this successfully before. i have even successfully rebooted. it was years and many upgrades later before it came back to haunt me |
| 22:27.19 | public_ | boudiccas, i did dpkg --get-selections to know which packages i need.. and now.. i do .. apt-get dselect-upgrade on laptop.. but i am relectant to let it run for the whole night.. since .;it is constanatly overheating |
| 22:27.32 | lulzyboy | i dont think it did |
| 22:27.49 | lulzyboy | Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-34squeeze1) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Wed May 18 23:13:22 UTC 2011 |
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| 22:28.01 | public_ | wols, is a long long.. graphic card issue.. nothing to do with cpu.. |
| 22:28.11 | A-Guy4gal321 | Is it true there is no file exchange on MIRC now? I know for sure there used to be files exchanged on MIRC. Limewire is dead. Maybe that is why. |
| 22:28.26 | wols | lulzyboy: if you did a full upgrade, you realistically have two choices: run testing proper from now on or reinstall. the other ways are simply full of long long times of pain |
| 22:28.46 | boudiccas | public_; put your laptop on two things at either edge so theres good airflow underneath, this will help it not to overheat [i used two bricks for my big box], and als o consider wols suggestion |
| 22:28.46 | lulzyboy | problem is, its a server that hosts a popular website |
| 22:28.51 | lulzyboy | and i cant exactly just "reinstall" |
| 22:28.54 | wols | public_: you don't need to even run X at all. so how can it overheat then? btw, what POS laptop is it? |
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| 22:29.00 | lulzyboy | the kernel seems fine |
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| 22:29.32 | lulzyboy | http://pastebin.com/AYshMW7D |
| 22:29.40 | lulzyboy | the packages that didnt upgrade |
| 22:29.52 | wols | lulzyboy: you put dmm and the other shit in sources.list for a website server? why? |
| 22:30.07 | lulzyboy | needed webmin |
| 22:30.21 | lulzyboy | think i put the dmm there when i first did it |
| 22:31.03 | public_ | boudiccas, i used to do it.. in fact.. what may help is change.. drivers.. maybe use aticonfig.. to lowest power.. and force it with some script, if for some reason it changes.. well that is what i am used to do.. but welll on the other hand, i have a dependency issue, and i thought i could download all packages from another machine and sort the mess out peacefully.. with all stuff in hands |
| 22:31.05 | wols | no you didn't need webmin. neither did you need X. definitely a reinstall in order, but of course you will ignore that. good luck, you need it. but the users of the website need it even more |
| 22:31.21 | lulzyboy | i did need webmin |
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| 22:31.23 | nsadmin | webmin?! be careful with that thing, it's a known douchebaggy annoying pile of cow dung |
| 22:31.29 | nsadmin | figuratively speaking |
| 22:31.45 | public_ | wols, it does.. overheat all the time.. sometimes it was even worse on console mode :( .. what means POS ? |
| 22:31.54 | wols | public_: you can. you then put the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and you're done. from there you can install them all via apt (or dpkg -i) |
| 22:32.11 | public_ | wols, amilo.. i think gpu is a 2300HD |
| 22:32.16 | lulzyboy | but if the kernel isnt changed technically it should boot |
| 22:32.22 | nsadmin | is this a remote? |
| 22:32.25 | wols | public_: piece of shit. what your laptop is :( |
| 22:32.44 | lulzyboy | i have ssh and console ssh |
| 22:32.47 | lulzyboy | its a dedicated |
| 22:32.54 | wols | public_: if it's older, and didn't overheat in the beginning: clean your fan outlets |
| 22:32.55 | nsadmin | remote? |
| 22:32.58 | lulzyboy | yes |
| 22:33.14 | nsadmin | so it's maybe 400-2000 miles away |
| 22:33.19 | lulzyboy | about 200 |
| 22:33.23 | lampe2 | after upgrading the mysql server i cant start it here the log: http://nopaste.info/b56cff233d.html |
| 22:33.31 | nsadmin | as opposed to 2 feet |
| 22:33.33 | Bushmills | lulzyboy: old version of webmin (sarge, in your case) will wreak havoc with config files of recent programs (squeeze and wheezy, in yor case) |
| 22:33.37 | wols | nsadmin: he said console ssh. so kvm over ip or such |
| 22:33.58 | lulzyboy | i have no issue with webmin, had it for months |
| 22:34.08 | wols | !webmin |
| 22:34.09 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 22:34.11 | Bushmills | webmin will think your apache config is for older apache while your actual apache wants more recent format |
| 22:34.23 | public_ | wols, barely like this since beginning.. i had a look but found nothing wrong with the fan.. and well it has always been like that.. you said piece.. of .. you are definilty right :) .. but i have to live with it.. no money to buy another one.. not now.. |
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| 22:34.32 | lulzyboy | i dont edit apache config with it |
| 22:34.41 | lulzyboy | its for checking things like status and csf |
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| 22:35.08 | public_ | wols, but how i can fetch .. the 'selections'.. on the desktop machine ? |
| 22:35.21 | public_ | wols, for the laptop |
| 22:35.24 | themill | dpkg: wtf csf |
| 22:35.26 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what csf means... |
| 22:35.28 | Bushmills | same is true for other programs. of apache i know because of somebody having rendered his server disfunct with it |
| 22:35.29 | themill | me neither |
| 22:35.33 | lulzyboy | csf is a firewall |
| 22:37.21 | wols | public_: apt-zip for example |
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| 22:38.06 | lulzyboy | my system is running 100% fine atm |
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| 22:38.16 | lulzyboy | but im just wondering if i rebooted what exactly would screw up |
| 22:38.39 | kNC | hi guys. My system states that TCL is installed on my system, but when I configure eggdrop, it states it is not. what is the problem? |
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| 22:39.26 | Bushmills | "what exactly.." you don't know without rebooting |
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| 22:39.38 | public_ | wols, superb... sounds the right direction.. or THE solution i am looking for.. big thanks man.. you save my night ;-) :) |
| 22:39.48 | lulzyboy | cant i undo apt-gets? |
| 22:40.04 | lulzyboy | or revert to the newest version in a certain distro? |
| 22:40.04 | Bushmills | restore from backup |
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| 22:41.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | kNC: are you trying to build from source? |
| 22:41.50 | kNC | Kamping_Kaiser; i dont know what that means but if you mean tar gz file yes |
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| 22:42.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | kNC: can i ask why you are doing that, rather then installing the package? |
| 22:43.05 | kNC | Kamping_Kaiser, i wget's the ftp://ftp.eggheads.org/pub/eggdrop/source/1.6/eggdrop1.6.20.tar.gz |
| 22:43.19 | kNC | got to install it somehow |
| 22:43.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | kNC: apt-get install eggdrop |
| 22:44.45 | kNC | Kamping_Kaiser: Ok, I did it your way, it installed TCL also, but where did the eggdrop go |
| 22:45.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | kNC: um, onto your filesystem? /usr/share/doc/eggdrop will contain the doco |
| 22:45.46 | Grauwolf | kNC, apt-get install tcl8.5 tcl8.5-dev |
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| 22:46.05 | Grauwolf | kNC, you need the -dev package |
| 22:46.22 | themill | Grauwolf: he really doesn't.... |
| 22:46.56 | nsadmin | not if he's installing the deb of egg |
| 22:47.16 | nsadmin | if he has to build it, then he does |
| 22:47.28 | Grauwolf | i was just the messenger. i asked a friend of mine (eggdrop dev) |
| 22:48.08 | nsadmin | they will probably say they recommend building (that's typical) |
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| 22:48.28 | jelly-home | greetings, o Deb of Egg, beauty among the irclings |
| 22:48.47 | jelly-home | well it sounded like a title |
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| 22:51.51 | Grauwolf | nsadmin, as i said i was just the messenger ;) |
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| 22:52.30 | zaxonspox | hello, how are supported themes for GDM2 in the newest Debian? |
| 22:52.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | ftr, 'apt-get build-dep eggdrop' would probably have got him all the right ones too. the question is more if he should be building from source :) |
| 22:53.31 | Grauwolf | well he recommends to use a newer version than in the debian reps. because it's damn old an because of CVE-2009-1789 |
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| 23:03.09 | stew | Grauwolf: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2009-1789 <- the ersions in the repos are fixed |
| 23:03.21 | lolcat | What debian is best for Dell Latitude D630? |
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| 23:03.59 | nsadmin | try one and see |
| 23:04.02 | kNC | thanks Kamping_Kaiser, and Grauwolf |
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| 23:11.16 | u19809 | hi all, anybody here that can help me with my grub2 setup for a tripple boot ? For some reason I do not know, my XP partion no longer wants to boot. I have 2 SATA disks and on the first there are W7 and Linux ... these boot just. on the second there is XP on the first partition of that disk . selecting W7 or XP from the grub boot menu shows a windows boot menu (I have no clue where these menues are coming from) ... selecting 'old version' in either |
| 23:11.18 | u19809 | produces a message with invalid boot.ini and ntdetect something and a reboot ... |
| 23:13.26 | lolcat | nsadmin: Like, now I use squeeze, is it a good one? |
| 23:15.25 | public_ | u19809, broken chain.. |
| 23:15.46 | daemonkeeper | lolcat: There is nothing wrong to go with Squeeze. Its the best choice, being the most recent and supported stable release |
| 23:15.48 | dondelelcaro | u19809: grub is loading windows, and whatever windows is doing is broken. |
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| 23:16.05 | public_ | u19809, you could try boot from bios.. on second hard disk.. |
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| 23:16.11 | lolcat | daemonkeeper: Nothing wron with it? it is the ephimogy of perfect? |
| 23:16.17 | u19809 | yes but how can i recover it ... I think the XP is missing something but I do not know what. I read that a 'repair' can fix things but not if XP is in a tripple boot with W7 |
| 23:16.32 | daemonkeeper | lolcat: Certainly! |
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| 23:18.39 | public_ | u19809, i know better lilo then grub.. but the whole thing is about chaining.. now i can't tell where those things are in grub |
| 23:19.25 | public_ | u19809, /dev/sda first sector / boot sector.. with partition table.. then usually chaining on sda1 or more depending on your setup.. windows / linux and more.. |
| 23:21.00 | dondelelcaro | u19809: ##windows is the place to ask, they support Windows. We can't do so here. |
| 23:21.23 | u19809 | this is my grub setup http://pastebin.com/0gh81cU6 |
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| 23:22.56 | dondelelcaro | u19809: if grub is loading the windows bootloader at all, then it's doing its job. the problem then becomes what is up with the windows bootloader |
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| 23:26.36 | public_ | last attack i hope tonight |
| 23:27.18 | public_ | dondelelcaro, nothing good after windows bootloader.. |
| 23:27.46 | public_ | dondelelcaro, i heard of some beggar looking for money.. his name.. bill i think |
| 23:28.53 | public_ | commited genocide tonight :( .. more then a dozen flies.. |
| 23:29.04 | deepa | That's strange, Bill has lots of money and doesn't need to work anymore |
| 23:29.37 | public_ | deepa, but who do you expect behind a windows bootloader |
| 23:29.53 | deepa | I expect that everyone who use Windows use the bootloader |
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| 23:30.19 | public_ | deepa, if that doesn't work... you see money bill.. |
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| 23:32.05 | lapsusbrutus | heard of Bills "vaccination plans", africa will get skreved,, guess he gains a heap load of money from it.. and then "donate" to corrupt organizations.. world is crazy.. world should inherit some of the oss spirit.. then everything would be a lot better |
| 23:32.09 | public_ | one more fly.. |
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| 23:33.15 | public_ | i don't think it is a good policy to have all money go in one pocket.. better spread in many.. windows been like a monopoly for too long.. |
| 23:33.54 | lapsusbrutus | the rich rule the world.. :\ |
| 23:35.04 | public_ | i don't mind the rich.. those who invest, enroll people, make those people earn living, raising family and more.. but i do mind.. those who inherists a fortune.. |
| 23:35.40 | centHOGG | play the lottery |
| 23:35.43 | public_ | and companies.. just "too big to fail".. |
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| 23:36.31 | deepa | public_: there's no company that's too big to fail |
| 23:36.35 | lapsusbrutus | http://www.rense.com/general78/philo.htm This is interesting read.. and researching a litle about Bill Gates and his vaccination plans really gives me goose bumps.. |
| 23:36.43 | public_ | plenty US banks should have been splitted apart... and all US people to get a share and not the opposite |
| 23:37.21 | public_ | deepa, doesn't seem to work like this.. |
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| 23:37.44 | deepa | public_: in all sense it does, http://hassonybeenhackedthisweek.com/ |
| 23:37.57 | deepa | It's just that some have more room for mistakes than others |
| 23:38.10 | lapsusbrutus | the people behind the banks rule the economy.. banks are just a tool to give them more wealth and exploiting the people |
| 23:38.23 | public_ | deepa, more room for mistakes.. :) tells a lot :) ;-) |
| 23:39.43 | public_ | banks are pretty usefull.. i mean banknotes is a brilliant invention.. but companies when they are just too big.. even if they do wrong, no one will tell.. or just too late.. |
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| 23:40.26 | public_ | how microsoft been a success, because of bill gates's mother.. she was a good friend, of a high ranking man in ibm.. |
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| 23:40.41 | public_ | i prefer the apple story then the microsoft story |
| 23:40.56 | centHOGG | debian? |
| 23:41.00 | useless-eater | :p |
| 23:41.23 | useless-eater | yeah I prefer the debian story lol |
| 23:42.09 | useless-eater | public_: agree btw |
| 23:42.10 | public_ | debian.. is something else.; not sure it directly helps people earn a living.. but it surely does undirectly |
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| 23:44.12 | useless-eater | yeah, imagine if debian was used more in 3rd world countries.. could do a lot of work on a 800Mhz+256ram.. for free |
| 23:44.36 | public_ | debian is a monument, an heritage like wikipedia, few earn a living building it, but all benefits of it.. |
| 23:44.58 | useless-eater | yeah:) debian <3 |
| 23:44.59 | public_ | i don't imagine i am sure it does.. |
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| 23:47.19 | public_ | all things that break in linux / debian is an opportunity for more studies.. but sometimes, you'd like to do your work, and just not study everything that breaks ;-).. |
| 23:48.09 | Kazuha | For me... |
| 23:48.25 | Kazuha | Debian was the first distro that *didn't* break. |
| 23:48.58 | useless-eater | 'stable' is pretty darn stable though (upgrading to wheezy atm knock on wood :p) |
| 23:49.00 | Kazuha | And I would (guesstimate) that the average time between breaks in Debian is much lower than it would be in Windows. |
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| 23:49.12 | Kazuha | Even testing is pretty bloody stable. |
| 23:49.39 | Kazuha | Unstable... |
| 23:49.47 | Kazuha | Is not for the feint of heart, though. |
| 23:50.20 | public_ | Kazuha, i hardly even met that sort of distrib.. but i use linux / debian and more since so long.. i feel it could be partly due to my old way to do things on debian another distrib.. |
| 23:50.42 | public_ | another and other.. |
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| 23:51.38 | public_ | Kazuha, hardly ever seen all working at once.. |
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| 23:52.54 | Kazuha | The main reason for using testing is that while stable is quite stable... |
| 23:53.11 | Kazuha | It tends not to have very recent versions of... a lot of things. |
| 23:53.22 | public_ | a few days ago, found my 50 floppies.. of yggdrazil.. i think.. 50 floppies to install linux.. in.. 1994 |
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| 23:54.01 | Kazuha | With number 49 borked? |
| 23:54.03 | public_ | Kazuha, :) |
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| 23:54.31 | public_ | Kazuha, i didn't try.. the distrib.. that was old days.. :) |
| 23:54.50 | useless-eater | somthing that bugs me about squeeze: Ive got 15 old optiplex computers (around 1000 mhz+512mb) and some compaqs.. not a single one can install debian 6 without using expert install.. crashes right after clicking "install" |
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| 23:55.01 | Kazuha | Assuming you could find a floppy drive... |
| 23:55.22 | Kazuha | It probably wouldn't run on any modern computer. |
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| 23:55.58 | Kazuha | useless-eater: I've always used expert install. |
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| 23:56.15 | Kazuha | (Well, back when I first installed Debian... it was just "install".) |
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| 23:57.18 | public_ | by 2000, i looked into linux / io code.. it was so.. not badly written.. but definitly nothing to improve linux io performance.. :) .. at some point.. i just thought.. i use this tools since yeaars, it works.. and .. well it works.; even if nothing was obviously made to improve IO |
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| 23:58.51 | useless-eater | expert install is slower, needs more attention.. on these old optiplexes I go pretty default |
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| 23:59.45 | Kazuha | If you're dealing with 15 identical systems... |
| 23:59.51 | Kazuha | That you want to configure identically.... |