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| 00:00.59 | finchen | i'm trying to install Cinelerra from the multimedia repo, but it won't install due to unmet dependencies (libavcodec51, libjpegtools0, libquicktimehv), but when i try to install them, i get "E: broken packages" and "E: Unable to locate package libjpegtools0" - but as i'm not quite familiar with Debian packaging, i don't know how to get around this, can you help me? |
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| 00:03.59 | gnarface | finchen: you probably forgot to run "apt-get update" before you tried to install them |
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| 00:04.17 | gnarface | finchen: apt-get update or aptitude update, depending on your preference |
| 00:05.01 | Noah0504 | If I install testing and change wheezy to testing in the sources, will that make it "rolling" in a sense? |
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| 00:05.22 | gnarface | Noah0504: no you probably want sid |
| 00:05.31 | ion_ | sorry to ask but what is google.com/webhp ? efore I used to have google.com/linux as a default... |
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| 00:05.49 | ion_ | anyone know what is that ? |
| 00:06.16 | gnarface | Noah0504: i mean yes, but you probably want sid |
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| 00:06.31 | finchen | gnarface: now it's package A depends package B depends package C ... |
| 00:06.51 | gnarface | finchen: what have you done!? |
| 00:07.11 | finchen | gnarface: apt-get update is what i have done |
| 00:07.21 | gnarface | finchen: well good let it finish |
| 00:07.32 | finchen | already finished |
| 00:08.03 | gnarface | finchen: i don't understand your problem |
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| 00:08.58 | gnarface | finchen: please restate the symptoms |
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| 00:09.46 | finchen | gnarface: i'm trying to install cinelerra, but apt-get reports that this is not possible because of "unmet dependencies" - then it list the three libraries that are missing, but when i try to install either of them, i get the same "unmet dependencies" or "broken package" and so on |
| 00:09.55 | mark76 | My xserver won't start :-( |
| 00:10.03 | ion_ | ? |
| 00:10.18 | gnarface | finchen: which debian version? |
| 00:10.33 | mark76 | When I boot up. It doesn't get to the log in screen |
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| 00:10.59 | ion_ | google.com/linux it doesn't exist anymore, does it ? |
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| 00:11.01 | finchen | gnarface: i always forget the command to find that out, sorry |
| 00:11.03 | mark76 | I just get a terminal window |
| 00:11.10 | gnarface | ion_: we don't know here |
| 00:11.15 | gnarface | ion_: ask google.com? |
| 00:11.26 | dvs | mark76: so, install GNOME or kde |
| 00:11.56 | mark76 | How is that going to help? |
| 00:11.59 | gnarface | finchen: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:12.09 | ion_ | gnarface: because disappear before was linux.org that was really know this ... |
| 00:12.10 | mark76 | It's xserver that's the problem |
| 00:12.14 | mark76 | Or xorg |
| 00:12.18 | mark76 | I can't remember |
| 00:12.21 | finchen | gnarface: squeeze/sid |
| 00:12.37 | gnarface | finchen: when was the last time you ran apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:12.44 | gnarface | finchen: or aptitude upgrade? |
| 00:12.54 | finchen | gnarface: 5 minutes ago |
| 00:13.06 | gnarface | finchen: and that didn't fix it? |
| 00:13.11 | finchen | no |
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| 00:13.28 | gnarface | might be actually currently broken |
| 00:13.33 | gnarface | you could try a different repo |
| 00:13.48 | gnarface | check the bug tracker? |
| 00:14.38 | finchen | gnarface: yeah, it says "E: Broken packages"... - how do i use another repo (adding it to /etc/sources.lst, yeah, but how do find out which one?)? |
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| 00:15.22 | mark76 | I don't know what to do :( |
| 00:16.33 | zappal | finchen: pase your /etc/sources.lst for example in http://pastebin.com/ |
| 00:16.42 | zappal | *paste |
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| 00:16.49 | drwrr | mark76, did you check Xorg.0.log? |
| 00:17.06 | mark76 | Can I do that from a live CD session? |
| 00:17.33 | drwrr | it should be there i guess |
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| 00:18.02 | gnarface | finchen: yea paste your sources.list and beware of a file called 'preferences' and check to see if anything is in sources.list.d |
| 00:18.16 | gnarface | finchen: (in /etc/apt) |
| 00:18.19 | finchen | gnarface: gnarface if that helps: http://dpaste.com/559140/ |
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| 00:18.57 | mark76 | I'm going to reinstall |
| 00:18.59 | mark76 | Again |
| 00:19.10 | finchen | gnarface: nothing in sources.list.d...good? bad? |
| 00:19.25 | nyov | mark76: you appear to use ubuntu? maybe you want to install debian this time ;) |
| 00:19.34 | mark76 | I was using debian |
| 00:19.38 | gnarface | finchen: that's good. |
| 00:19.44 | gnarface | finchen: the fact you're still using lenny though is bad |
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| 00:20.14 | mark76 | I'm only using ubuntu now because I can't get a graphical environment from my hard drive |
| 00:20.25 | finchen | gnarface: it's just what it is |
| 00:20.28 | zappal | finchen: http://debian-multimedia.org |
| 00:20.29 | mark76 | This is a live CD |
| 00:20.30 | gnarface | finchen: you said you had just finished doing an upgrade right? maybe now would be a good time to dist-upgrade to squeeze |
| 00:20.48 | nyov | mark76: running stable/squeeze? |
| 00:20.52 | mark76 | Yes |
| 00:21.04 | gnarface | finchen: also the rest of that crap you have in there isn't supported here |
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| 00:21.09 | mark76 | I thought it might be something I did to enable plymouth |
| 00:21.19 | mark76 | So I deleted /etc/ |
| 00:21.31 | nyov | mark76: is it _trying_ to start? X? have you installed new dirvers or anything? |
| 00:21.38 | mark76 | No new drivers |
| 00:21.45 | nyov | oh what? you rm -f'd /etc? |
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| 00:21.49 | mark76 | Yes |
| 00:21.55 | mark76 | I was desperate |
| 00:21.56 | nyov | you should reinstall |
| 00:22.06 | mark76 | Might as well |
| 00:22.07 | dvs | !pal mark76 |
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| 00:22.07 | dpkg | points at mark76 and laughs uproariously |
| 00:22.19 | mark76 | BBL |
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| 00:22.29 | finchen | gnarface: but what about the "cinelerra" package? can't i just add another repos ot my sources.lst to make it available? |
| 00:23.06 | gnarface | finchen: lenny is deprecated. |
| 00:23.20 | zappal | finchen: did you have a look at http://debian-multimedia.org |
| 00:23.22 | finchen | some people say so, other say so |
| 00:23.35 | dvs | !lenny |
| 00:23.35 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 00:23.37 | gnarface | finchen: its officially fucking deprecated |
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| 00:24.30 | gnarface | finchen: the problem you are having is being caused by the fact your libraries are too old |
| 00:25.12 | gnarface | finchen: you had better make a good backup and then try to get that upgraded... somehow |
| 00:25.51 | finchen | gnarface: that'll mess up the whole system, i had that situation once.... |
| 00:26.14 | gnarface | finchen: its possible you already have messed up the whole system. |
| 00:26.28 | finchen | gnarface: plus: how to make a "good backup"?? dd the whole partition over to another hard drive or what? |
| 00:26.51 | gnarface | finchen: well you would dd the whole device |
| 00:27.09 | gnarface | finchen: i recommend using tar instead |
| 00:27.14 | nyov | with LVM or XFS it could be easier |
| 00:27.23 | gnarface | true |
| 00:27.26 | finchen | zappal: have a look at http://dpaste.com/559140/ <- there's already the multimedia repo |
| 00:27.49 | finchen | gnarface: does not make it faster! would take days... |
| 00:28.09 | finchen | gnarface: and it would produce A LOT of copy errors |
| 00:28.14 | zappal | finchen: yes |
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| 00:28.36 | zappal | finchen: why erros |
| 00:28.42 | finchen | zappal: so what else should i find out while looking at debian-multimedia.org |
| 00:28.43 | gnarface | finchen: tar doesn't make it faster? |
| 00:28.43 | finchen | ? |
| 00:29.04 | finchen | zappal: just try do copy that amount of sectors...you'll see |
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| 00:29.09 | gnarface | don't you have dma enabled? |
| 00:29.13 | gnarface | finchen: ^^ |
| 00:30.29 | finchen | so i will not be able to install cinelerra on that system, i guess |
| 00:30.34 | zappal | finchen: if your harddrive is good, why will you get errors? |
| 00:30.35 | finchen | which is a pity! |
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| 00:30.54 | gnarface | finchen: well you could try manually compiling and packaging then installing all the newer versions of everything you need. that should be possible |
| 00:31.00 | finchen | zappal: topic is: gettin Cinelerra running over here |
| 00:31.09 | gnarface | finchen: faster in theory at least. but its way faster just to update |
| 00:31.23 | nyov | finchen: you want a lenny oldstable package on a squeeze system? |
| 00:31.37 | finchen | gnarface: cinelerraCV is what you are talking about.... |
| 00:31.53 | zappal | finchen: i think gnarface is right, you should do an update to squeeze |
| 00:32.15 | finchen | that will flash the whole system... |
| 00:32.19 | gnarface | finchen: lenny is ancient |
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| 00:32.34 | gnarface | finchen: only if you do it wrong. make a backup in case of mistakes |
| 00:32.42 | zappal | finchen: and why you want not update |
| 00:32.55 | mirak_ | hi |
| 00:33.08 | finchen | gnarface: the backup part is what is the other problem, as i just mentioned |
| 00:33.18 | gnarface | finchen: lets see the perfect tar backup command would be something like |
| 00:33.23 | mirak_ | is there a way to run the debian installer from within a current debian installation, instead of debootstrap ? |
| 00:33.25 | finchen | zappal: i want cinelerra on my system |
| 00:33.41 | finchen | zappal: (just read the stuff above) |
| 00:34.55 | zappal | finchen: if you want cinelerra on your system (lenny) and the libraries are to old, what is the easiest way to get cinelerra working? |
| 00:35.04 | bst | etc/debian_version squeeze\sid and sources.list lenny :) |
| 00:35.08 | gnarface | finchen: tar --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/tmp -c -v -p -f backup_archive.tar / |
| 00:35.15 | zappal | compiling all by your self or doing an update |
| 00:35.17 | nyov | bst: :P i wondered about that |
| 00:35.20 | finchen | zappal: installing fedora - the testing system, haha |
| 00:35.26 | bst | :) |
| 00:35.51 | zappal | finchen: and why are you here then? |
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| 00:36.24 | nyov | finchen: fwiw, you might want to ask over at #cinelerra what they say about compiling against older libs |
| 00:36.32 | gnarface | mirak_: what's wrong with debootstrap? |
| 00:37.17 | finchen | nyov: the guys are not at home |
| 00:37.20 | nyov | finchen: they seem to be doing their debs, so maybe they have an idea about backporting |
| 00:37.26 | nyov | alrigh, sad |
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| 00:38.38 | mirak_ | gnarface, it won't automatically create the fstab |
| 00:38.41 | mirak_ | etcetera |
| 00:39.02 | gnarface | mirak_: but that is easily scriptable |
| 00:39.16 | nyov | finchen: have you seen the page about old packages on the website? |
| 00:39.18 | finchen | btw, i _am_ running squeeze... |
| 00:39.27 | finchen | so how/why should i update? |
| 00:39.42 | gnarface | finchen: i thought your sources.list said lenny |
| 00:40.07 | mirak_ | gnarface, probably, that's why I ask if there is a way to run the debian installer from within a running installation, and not just by using a cd rom image |
| 00:40.12 | nyov | ah, so it's only old source.list lines maybe |
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| 00:40.24 | finchen | /etc/debian_version says sqeeze/sid |
| 00:40.31 | nyov | ouch |
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| 00:40.51 | gnarface | mirak_: i think the answer is no but its a good question and you should keep asking. someone smarter than me might know |
| 00:40.53 | dvs | that;s bad |
| 00:41.09 | zappal | finchen: what's the output from cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:41.24 | finchen | zappal: read above! |
| 00:41.35 | nyov | squeeze/sid is not a valid combination I'd say :P |
| 00:41.41 | Wyzard | finchen: That's not the stable squeeze release, that's an old version of testing from before squeeze was released |
| 00:42.20 | Wyzard | nyov: It was valid when lenny was stable and squeeze was testing |
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| 00:42.27 | nyov | wouldn't that be squeeze/testing or something? ah nvm |
| 00:42.31 | gnarface | ugh. mixed with lenny |
| 00:42.37 | gnarface | what a mess |
| 00:43.29 | mirak_ | gnarface, it's really strange |
| 00:43.29 | Wyzard | At least it's along the way toward being proper squeeze |
| 00:43.30 | nyov | finchen: have you seen that page about old packages of your software? |
| 00:43.57 | nyov | this looks like it has some lenny stuff http://cinelerra.org/old-distro.php |
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| 00:44.02 | nyov | finchen: ^^^ |
| 00:44.19 | finchen | so here is the actual problem: http://dpaste.com/559147/ |
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| 00:45.32 | Wyzard | That's because the package is built for squeeze and depends on squeeze versions of those libraries |
| 00:45.59 | Wyzard | (though they're not actually part of squeeze, they're unofficial packages from debian-multimedia.org, as is cinelerra itself) |
| 00:46.36 | Wyzard | Try "apt-get install libavcodec51" and see why apt says it can't install it |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | finchen: try using aptitude instead? |
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| 00:46.57 | [XeN] | hi, I'm new to kernel related stuff and now I need to patch my squeeze kernel wit a diff file. could someody point me to a good how-to. I can only find stuff that is way to complexfor my problem. |
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| 00:47.32 | finchen | Wyzard: http://dpaste.com/559148/ |
| 00:47.35 | Wyzard | [XeN]: Building a custom kernel is sort of an advanced thing to do, so expect to have to do some learning |
| 00:47.50 | nyov | [XeN]: kpkg |
| 00:48.02 | Wyzard | finchen: and what if you try to install libdirac0? |
| 00:48.05 | [XeN] | I have build a custom kernel with menuconfig and stuff but nether applied a atch to it |
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| 00:48.57 | Wyzard | finchen: Follow the chain of "is not going to be installed" messages until you find one that gives a different message |
| 00:49.02 | [XeN] | so only the patch is the tricky part |
| 00:49.23 | finchen | Wyzard: that will try to remove some valueable software on this system that i really depend on |
| 00:49.32 | finchen | (i don't know why though) |
| 00:49.35 | zappal | [XeN]: http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Kernel-HOWTO-6.html |
| 00:49.40 | Wyzard | finchen: show me the output from apt |
| 00:50.04 | nyov | !kernel compile |
| 00:50.04 | dpkg | [kernel compile] To (re)build the official Debian kernels, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage . For personal kernel packages, it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg>. |
| 00:50.50 | nyov | [XeN]: ^^^ this includes how to apply a patch |
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| 00:51.07 | finchen | Wyzard: http://dpaste.com/559149/ |
| 00:51.23 | [XeN] | thanks, that sounds simple enough |
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| 00:52.41 | Wyzard | finchen: That looks like libdirac0 depends on audacity-data for some reason, though that doesn't make much sense |
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| 00:53.48 | finchen | Wyzard: the "REMOVE" part is the more critical one! |
| 00:54.35 | Wyzard | finchen: audacity depends on an exact matching version of audacity-data, so the newer audacity-data doesn't satisfy the dependency for the existing audacity; that's why apt wants to remove audacity |
| 00:55.11 | Wyzard | finchen: For the other stuff, most likely libdirac0 conflicts with your installed version of some of those libraries listed, so apt wants to remove the libraries and the apps which depend upon them |
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| 00:55.40 | finchen | Wyzard: there's only one audacity-data when i apt-cache search audacity-data |
| 00:55.44 | Wyzard | finchen: all this is because your installed packages are older than the versions that libdirac0 is built for |
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| 00:56.20 | finchen | Wyzard: but audacity-data is to new? you contradict yourself |
| 00:56.40 | Wyzard | What does "apt-cache policy audacity-data" say? |
| 00:57.19 | finchen | http://dpaste.com/559152/ |
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| 00:57.59 | Wyzard | so you have version 1.3.12-9 of both audacity and audacity-data installed |
| 00:58.14 | finchen | so? |
| 00:58.18 | Wyzard | Installing libdirac0 requires audacity-data to be upgraded to the newer version from the repository for some reason |
| 00:58.37 | dvs | You're running wheezy! |
| 00:58.51 | Wyzard | audacity version 1.3.12-9 depends on audacity-data version 1.3.12-9; it can't work with audacity-data version 1.3.13-4, and that's why apt wants to remove audacity |
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| 00:59.45 | Wyzard | Meanwhile, your system apparently has a bunch of packages on it from when "testing" was an alias for squeeze, i.e. before the squeeze release, but your sources.list still points to testing, which is now an alias for wheezy |
| 00:59.52 | zappal | finchen: you should do a proper squeeze installation, because it never ends with your system |
| 01:00.02 | finchen | Wyzard: the other way round: "Installed: 1.3.12-9" |
| 01:00.16 | Wyzard | so you have a mix of lenny and between-lenny-and-squeeze packages and if you install new things with apt you'll be getting between-squeeze-and-wheezy packages |
| 01:00.21 | [XeN] | What should I do, I have squeeze because it's stable. Should I patch 2.6.32 or install 2.6.37 because I don't have to patch it. Is 2.6.37 stable enough? |
| 01:00.40 | Wyzard | and *that* is the problem, not the side issue of cinelerra's dependencies |
| 01:00.57 | Wyzard | Fix your system, get it running a consistent version of something |
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| 01:01.09 | drwrr | [XeN], for xen? |
| 01:01.12 | Satan | sdf |
| 01:01.28 | [XeN] | no, for my thinkpad |
| 01:01.39 | zappal | [XeN]: 2.6.38 runs here stable |
| 01:01.42 | [XeN] | I try to get the gobi 2000 module running |
| 01:01.48 | dvs | [XeN]: If you are trying to patch something from a newer kernel, you're better off installing a backported kernel. |
| 01:01.51 | Wyzard | [XeN]: I've owned several thinkpads, including a brand-new Edge E420, and never had to patch the kernel for it |
| 01:01.57 | finchen | Wyzard: how? |
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| 01:02.06 | lolcat_ | How to install? |
| 01:02.22 | Guest52009 | hi, someone know hot to incrase number of child porcess for bind9? |
| 01:02.27 | Wyzard | finchen: Change your sources.list to say "squeeze" instead of "testing", then read the squeeze release notes and go through the steps of upgrading to squeeze |
| 01:02.31 | [XeN] | is 2.6.37 in squeeze-backports or is it stil in sid? |
| 01:02.43 | Wyzard | finchen: That should hopefully get your system into a consistent state; if not, backup and reinstall |
| 01:02.56 | dvs | lolcat: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 01:03.11 | Wyzard | [XeN]: sid has 2.6.39; dunno what's in backports though |
| 01:03.20 | finchen | Wyzard: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ <-- thats a book! |
| 01:03.25 | finchen | bbbbrrrrr... |
| 01:03.59 | Wyzard | finchen: Most of it is notes for specific situations that probably don't apply to you |
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| 01:04.22 | Wyzard | finchen: but don't complain that it's too hard to fix your screwed-up system because you have to do some reading in the process |
| 01:04.50 | finchen | well, reinstallation is not an option |
| 01:04.55 | lolcat_ | Ok, thanks for not helping, I had to use google! |
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| 01:05.30 | nyov | lolcat_: why did you not use it before asking? |
| 01:05.36 | zappal | lolcat_: yes, and that's good |
| 01:06.00 | lolcat_ | nyov: No idea, I just thougth this would be faster, apparently not. Human help migth now be obsolete for me... |
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| 01:07.20 | zappal | lolcat_: it's better to search first via google.com and if you don't find anything you can ask someone |
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| 01:07.42 | lolcat_ | zappal: Perhaps it is |
| 01:07.49 | lolcat_ | I didn't think it could be that easy |
| 01:07.51 | zappal | lolcat_: it's the normal way |
| 01:08.01 | lolcat_ | And I think this should be added to the standard install... |
| 01:08.11 | Wyzard | [XeN]: You might be interested in the tp-smapi modules, btw |
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| 01:10.27 | finchen | Wyzard: what about this simple method of updating? http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 01:10.43 | finchen | sudo apt-get install apt dpkg apt-get <- is that really necessary? why? |
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| 01:11.10 | finchen | shouldn't that be solved automatically with apt-get update? |
| 01:11.26 | Wyzard | finchen: That's the basic steps, but there are potential issues that are explained in the release notes |
| 01:11.37 | Wyzard | finchen: which is why that page has a link to the release notes, in fact, and tells you to read them |
| 01:11.52 | finchen | ok...thx |
| 01:12.08 | [XeN] | if they help to archive this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Gobi_2000 |
| 01:12.10 | finchen | what can go wrong? |
| 01:12.34 | Wyzard | and no, that step of installing the new dpkg and apt-get isn't necessary; it's not in the actual upgrade directions in the release notes |
| 01:12.48 | Wyzard | However, upgrading udev and the kernel first *is* |
| 01:13.25 | Wyzard | I have no way to predict what "can" go wrong on your system, especially considering the weird state it's in |
| 01:13.30 | finchen | Wyzard: ok, will do that tomorrow... |
| 01:13.37 | finchen | maybe/hopefully |
| 01:14.02 | dvs | finchen: well, you shouldn't leave your sources.list the way it is. |
| 01:14.06 | Wyzard | Upgrades from lenny->squeeze are well-tested and should work OK as long as you heed any precautions mentioned in the release notes |
| 01:14.13 | finchen | dvs: but? |
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| 01:14.48 | Wyzard | Upgrades from some random pre-release snapshot of squeeze to real squeeze aren't tested, so you might run into issues |
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| 01:15.36 | finchen | ok, thank you so far! |
| 01:15.40 | finchen | have to go now |
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| 01:18.18 | luisgbp11 | Hello |
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| 01:21.46 | Wyzard | OK, so I've determined that the squeeze installer does *not* know how to set up and EFI bootloader |
| 01:22.00 | Wyzard | but it does know how to install to a GPT disk with a BIOS boot partition |
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| 01:22.33 | gnarface | Wyzard: are you trying to install on arm hardware? |
| 01:22.51 | gnarface | Wyzard: what the hell ARE you doing? |
| 01:23.17 | Wyzard | It's a normal amd64 PC that happens to support UEFI |
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| 01:24.13 | Wyzard | It seems to be fairly common on motherboards of the Sandy Bridge generation |
| 01:24.57 | gnarface | Wyzard: oh i think my asus board has a built-in mini-os that boots from such a thing. you're overwriting yours with debian? |
| 01:24.57 | Wyzard | I'm surprised you didn't ask if I was installing on a Mac, though :-) |
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| 01:25.18 | Wyzard | No, it's not replacing an embedded OS, it's a normal install on the hard drive |
| 01:25.39 | gnarface | neat |
| 01:25.46 | Wyzard | EFI uses a new and different way of loading the OS (more flexible, but takes some getting used to) |
| 01:26.13 | gnarface | does that mean no boot loader? |
| 01:26.14 | Wyzard | Instead of just blindly loading and executing the first sector of the hard drive, it actually mounts a filesystem and runs real executables from it |
| 01:26.52 | Wyzard | and you can have a boot menu at the EFI level -- so instead of having to configure GRUB to boot Debian or Windows, you can have the EFI ask whether to load GRUB or the Windows boot manager |
| 01:28.11 | Wyzard | I think the motivating reason why it's starting to catch on in the PC world is that the traditional MBR partition table format doesn't support disks bigger than 2TB, and EFI provides a new kind of partition table that does, and such disks are on the market now |
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| 01:55.02 | TehRabbitt | anyone familiar with lighttpd? |
| 01:55.38 | TehRabbitt | I'm having a weird issue when trying to symlink into my /var/www dir from another drive (want to bring /storage/EXT2/WebDev to /var/www/WebDev) |
| 01:55.44 | TehRabbitt | it's giving me a 403 error every time |
| 01:56.09 | TehRabbitt | i've tried chmoding to 777, chown to users / chgrp users, etc.... nothign seems to work |
| 01:56.32 | TehRabbitt | however, it lets me symlink /storage/EXT1/music to /var/www/music without any issues |
| 01:56.51 | slaeshjag | what folder are you changing permissions on? |
| 01:57.08 | TehRabbitt | slaeshjag /storage/EXT2/WebDev |
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| 01:57.27 | TehRabbitt | slaeshjag, i've also tried changing them on the symlink itself |
| 01:58.04 | TehRabbitt | both EXT1 and EXT2 are external eSATA drives, hda and hdb respectivly |
| 01:58.07 | slaeshjag | You've made sure the symlink works etc? |
| 01:58.31 | TehRabbitt | slaeshjag, yep, i can cd into /var/www/WebDev and nano index.html |
| 01:59.10 | TehRabbitt | http://tehrabbitt.com/Test |
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| 02:00.06 | TehRabbitt | slaeshjag, this is what I used: /var/www# ln -s /storage/EXT2/WebDev/ WebDev |
| 02:00.32 | TehRabbitt | http://www.tehrabbitt.com/WebDev |
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| 02:01.47 | TehRabbitt | any ideas? :-\ i've never had this happen before |
| 02:02.00 | slaeshjag | TehRabbitt: It's beyond me *waiting for somebody else to pick up where I'm leaving it* |
| 02:02.40 | TehRabbitt | aight |
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| 02:02.51 | TehRabbitt | well if it helps anyone, the weird thing is that this works no problem: /var/www# ln -s /storage/EXT1/MUSIC/ Music |
| 02:03.00 | TehRabbitt | http://www.tehrabbitt.com/MUSIC/ |
| 02:03.03 | TehRabbitt | err |
| 02:03.11 | TehRabbitt | http://www.tehrabbitt.com/Music |
| 02:03.21 | TehRabbitt | case sensitive X_X |
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| 02:05.04 | TehRabbitt | also, follow.symlinks is enabled |
| 02:06.30 | Wyzard | Does lighttpd have any rules about not following symlinks if the owner of the link is different from the owner of the thing it points to? |
| 02:06.34 | Wyzard | Apache does (as an option) |
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| 02:06.59 | TehRabbitt | Wyzard: hm lemme check ownership of the symlink and the dir |
| 02:07.13 | TehRabbitt | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Jun 25 21:15 WebDev -> /storage/EXT2/WebDev/ |
| 02:07.43 | TehRabbitt | drwxrwxr-x 6 tehrabbitt users 48 Jun 25 21:59 WebDev |
| 02:07.44 | TehRabbitt | Hm |
| 02:07.53 | TehRabbitt | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 25 22:02 Music -> /storage/EXT1/MUSIC/ |
| 02:08.04 | TehRabbitt | drwxrwxr-x 63 tehrabbitt users 4096 Jun 25 16:21 MUSIC |
| 02:08.17 | TehRabbitt | everything seems the same, ecept that one works and one doesn't |
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| 02:08.49 | Wyzard | dunno then |
| 02:09.05 | TehRabbitt | i'm baffled :-\ i've tried everything I can think of |
| 02:09.13 | Wyzard | I'd strace the lighttpd process while it's handling the request |
| 02:09.16 | TehRabbitt | I can symlink to anything on EXT1, but not on EXT2 or RAID1 |
| 02:09.22 | epsilon | does tehrabbitt:users 775 apply to /storage/EXT1, /storage/EXT1/MUSIC/, /storage/EXT2, /storage/EXT2/WebDev? |
| 02:09.35 | epsilon | there must be something different |
| 02:10.09 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: i've chmoded, chowned, and chgrped both dirs to allow rull R/W access as well as make them the same owners / groups |
| 02:10.26 | TehRabbitt | anything on EXT1 loads fine, anything on EXT2 or RAID1 or RAID2 doesn't |
| 02:10.45 | epsilon | *something* must be different... |
| 02:11.25 | TehRabbitt | well here's the "mount" info:/dev/sdb1 on /storage/EXT1 type jfs (rw) /dev/sda1 on /storage/EXT2 type jfs (rw) |
| 02:11.34 | epsilon | as which user is lighthttpd running as, and can this user access to hhe dirs not working? |
| 02:11.45 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: hm not sure, let me check |
| 02:12.17 | TehRabbitt | I beleive root |
| 02:13.28 | epsilon | sure? the user which is www-data in apache for example |
| 02:13.35 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: how can I check |
| 02:14.01 | TehRabbitt | ah it is www-data |
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| 02:14.02 | TehRabbitt | hm |
| 02:14.04 | epsilon | download huge file and see which process is running as |
| 02:14.21 | TehRabbitt | i just ps aux | grep lighttpd and it showed www-data |
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| 02:14.34 | epsilon | othe trick is using php etc, but it's more work |
| 02:14.43 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: ah |
| 02:15.04 | epsilon | so check if www-data is able to access the dirs |
| 02:15.08 | epsilon | and files |
| 02:15.43 | TehRabbitt | Nope no access |
| 02:15.44 | TehRabbitt | hm |
| 02:15.51 | TehRabbitt | weird |
| 02:16.12 | epsilon | strange |
| 02:16.14 | TehRabbitt | i su'ed into www-data, tried to cd that WebDev dir and got the nice "can't cd to WebDev" error |
| 02:16.22 | TehRabbitt | but i can cd into any other /var/www dir |
| 02:16.32 | TehRabbitt | hm maybe not 0_o |
| 02:16.39 | TehRabbitt | this is weird |
| 02:17.15 | epsilon | permission missing? to enter a directory, you need +x |
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| 02:17.55 | TehRabbitt | drwxrwxr-x 63 tehrabbitt users 4096 Jun 25 16:21 MUSIC |
| 02:18.02 | TehRabbitt | drwxrwxr-x 6 tehrabbitt users 48 Jun 25 21:59 WebDev |
| 02:18.05 | TehRabbitt | identical |
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| 02:18.42 | epsilon | directory listing is on? |
| 02:18.58 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: yes, http://www.tehrabbitt.com/Music |
| 02:19.15 | TehRabbitt | i put that directory up just to show that it does in fact work |
| 02:19.18 | TehRabbitt | from EXT1 |
| 02:19.24 | TehRabbitt | just not EXT2 where i need to symlink to |
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| 02:19.51 | epsilon | yea works... hm |
| 02:20.20 | epsilon | and dir listing is on also for Ext2/WebDev? |
| 02:20.34 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: thats why i'm so confused.... I've never encountered something like this, and i've been trying to get it working now for the past 4 hours myself, so I figure, maybe someone else has ideas i overlooked lol |
| 02:20.39 | TehRabbitt | Hm epsilon: how can i check? |
| 02:22.01 | epsilon | well 403 may have few reasons: file permission denied cause www-data can't acccess, di listing is not enabled and no index.* file is present, dir is (.ht)passwd protected... |
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| 02:23.11 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: just checked the error.log, nothing there with any reasons for the 403 either :-\ |
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| 02:26.17 | epsilon | *shrugs* try apache |
| 02:26.33 | TehRabbitt | ... X_X i figured it out |
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| 02:26.43 | TehRabbitt | now *THIS* was weird... |
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| 02:27.38 | epsilon | what was it? |
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| 02:28.42 | TehRabbitt | long story short, the mountpoint (/storage/EXT2/) was chmod 750, not 755, even though the child dir was chmoded correctly (/storage/EXT2/WebDev), it couldn't read the dir because the parent dir apperntly couldn't be read? |
| 02:29.20 | epsilon | correct |
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| 02:29.50 | TehRabbitt | epsilon, i can't beleive i overlooked that for 4 hours :-\ |
| 02:29.51 | TehRabbitt | lol |
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| 02:30.35 | TehRabbitt | most likely because EXT2 is a new drive / set it up the other day.... and i figured it was set up the same as EXT1 (but didn't think to check permissions on it) lol |
| 02:31.03 | epsilon | if /storage/EXT2/ is *not* owned by www-data and chmod was 750, "0" was applying to www-data, which means he can't enter the dir and all it's subdir |
| 02:31.15 | TehRabbitt | Ah |
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| 02:31.38 | TehRabbitt | so it was just simple inheritance lol |
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| 02:33.01 | TehRabbitt | well my other question is this... I notice, if my server crashes uncleanly for some reason (power failure, unplugging it, etc)... even though i have my drives in fstab, they won't mount saying the superblock is bad / invalid unless I run fsck on them first (which finds no errors, just must set some "dirty" bit off).... how can I make it fsck on bootup automaticaly (like my laptop does) or is it better keeping it as it is ( |
| 02:33.48 | TehRabbitt | I did notice this has only started happening since i started using wheezy... never had the issue before, now it just seems like i have to manually fsck / mount on reboot |
| 02:34.00 | epsilon | ext* filesystem? |
| 02:35.27 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: JFS |
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| 02:36.57 | epsilon | dunno, too exotic fs |
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| 02:37.00 | TehRabbitt | i mean it's not a *huge* issue, i just wish it auto-fscked the drives on boot like it used to if they were dirty... rather than just failing the mount / not mounting them lol (and making my website and samba go down after a power failure when ive got no ssh access to remount them) |
| 02:37.10 | lotus-blade | ok I have squeeze installed and I installed the nvidia non-free driver. now I have a resolution problem. it is way to small |
| 02:37.37 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: what FS do you use? i've always used JFS for my "storage" partitions and EXT3/4 for my main / and /boot partitions |
| 02:37.45 | lotus-blade | any tools to fix this or do I have to manually do this in xorg.conf |
| 02:38.15 | epsilon | you really mean JFS as by IBM-invented and not ext3/4-jounaling? |
| 02:38.32 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: Yes. |
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| 02:39.06 | nyov | lotus-blade: aptitude install nvidia-settings |
| 02:39.22 | epsilon | no idea, never used jfs |
| 02:39.33 | nyov | lotus-blade: that can change some more than just your resolution |
| 02:40.24 | TehRabbitt | epsilon: it uses the least amount of CPU / good for lots of drive thrashing when i've got multiple computers connected over gigabit via samba transfering GBs worth of backups etc |
| 02:40.39 | TehRabbitt | fsck also runs MUCH faster than EXT / Reiser |
| 02:41.08 | lotus-blade | it said there was no canidate for that |
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| 02:43.03 | phrantiq | lotus-blade: you already can access nvidia-settings due to the nvidia driver installation |
| 02:43.41 | phrantiq | do it as root and set things up |
| 02:44.35 | lotus-blade | running it as root now |
| 02:45.05 | lotus-blade | it is only seeing 640x480 |
| 02:45.34 | phrantiq | weird |
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| 02:46.47 | phrantiq | have you checked "X Server Display Configuration" tab? |
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| 02:47.33 | nyov | lotus-blade: what does 'xrandr' output? -- but don't paste it here |
| 02:47.46 | TehRabbitt | epsilon, hm ever heard of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAMMER |
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| 02:48.06 | thinkster | hi |
| 02:48.29 | thinkster | anyone tried google phone. I have a web cam with built in mic, how can I configure it to work with google phone? |
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| 02:49.32 | lotus-blade | it sees the max output there, but using default. and this is the next weird thing, xorg.conf has no mode settings in it |
| 02:50.14 | thinkster | How do you use microphone in debian? |
| 02:51.20 | thinkster | oh, hehe, the mixer |
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| 02:52.36 | phrantiq | lotus-blade: can't you really set a higher resolution? |
| 02:53.06 | thinkster | I've used a microphone before, but I can't remember how |
| 02:53.31 | jmarsden | thinkster: You talk into it :) |
| 02:53.49 | th0r | jmarsden: I had that typed in...then chickened out |
| 02:53.51 | lotus-blade | no, there is no higher setting to go to |
| 02:53.53 | thinkster | jmarsden, hehe |
| 02:54.06 | phrantiq | hm |
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| 02:55.10 | phrantiq | what driver version? |
| 02:55.11 | thinkster | lol, I think I need to plug it in first |
| 02:56.10 | lotus-blade | 275.09.07 |
| 02:56.46 | phrantiq | installation went without any errors? |
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| 02:58.03 | lotus-blade | yup |
| 02:58.20 | lotus-blade | just no entry in the xorg.conf file. |
| 02:58.56 | phrantiq | create one with the nvidia-settings |
| 02:59.02 | phrantiq | if you can |
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| 03:01.20 | phrantiq | lotus-blade: you can also run nvidia-xconfig |
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| 03:10.27 | lotus-blade | did a manual modes add Ill be back if it works |
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| 03:17.52 | lotus-blade | nvidia driver has still messed things up. still 640x480 |
| 03:19.05 | phrantiq | dump a link to your xorg.conf file |
| 03:22.34 | lotus-blade | http://pastebin.com/UgJrmBC3 |
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| 03:28.49 | phrantiq | it seems your display in unknown |
| 03:29.15 | phrantiq | "Monitor" section |
| 03:29.53 | thinkster | wow, I got free long distance from my debian box using google. Now I can cancel paying for only 100mins from my lan line |
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| 03:30.46 | thinkster | they have a deb package you install, and then you just plug in you mic/headphones and bam, call anywhere |
| 03:32.35 | thinkster | are any of these at this link http://www.imagemagick.org/script/api.php#php available via apt-get install? |
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| 03:35.16 | Tobias| | imagick |
| 03:35.21 | lotus-blade | So what am I supposed to do? change it to gateway? |
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| 03:35.52 | Tobias| | thinkster, apt-get install php5-imagick |
| 03:36.14 | thinkster | you are too kind, thank you |
| 03:36.20 | Tobias| | In future, check out using 'apt-get cache search'; i.e. 'apt-get cache search php5 imagemagick' |
| 03:36.20 | thinkster | Tobias|, thank you |
| 03:36.33 | thinkster | Tobias|, I did some searchs but didnt find it |
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| 03:36.46 | Tobias| | bah, 'apt-get cache'? apt-cache* |
| 03:36.48 | thinkster | I search php extensions and didnt see it |
| 03:37.23 | lotus-blade | phrantiq: So what am I supposed to do? change it to gateway? |
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| 03:38.46 | phrantiq | there has to be a solussion |
| 03:38.55 | Ray|2 | Hi |
| 03:39.09 | phrantiq | try googling |
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| 03:40.37 | lotus-blade | if I restart gdm3 it will restart all of x right? |
| 03:40.54 | phrantiq | yes |
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| 03:41.10 | lotus-blade | brb let you know if that worked |
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| 03:53.51 | adminewb | Any chance I can get a backport of libicu42 for squeeze? GPT disk partition tool wants it. |
| 03:54.18 | adminewb | It appears to be available only for sid |
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| 03:57.53 | nyov | adminewb: that should be possible |
| 03:58.27 | adminewb | nyov, well in principle I suppose that's a truism |
| 03:58.38 | adminewb | nyov so what's it take? |
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| 04:01.27 | adminewb | have to post a bug on it? |
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| 04:01.41 | nyov | adminewb: counterquestion, where do you get that GPT from? maybe you can make it use another version |
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| 04:02.05 | adminewb | another version of gdisk without the package requirement? hmm |
| 04:03.18 | nyov | there seems to be libicu44 in squeeze, so would that not be newer actually? |
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| 04:03.23 | adminewb | only source of it I know of: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gptfdisk/ |
| 04:04.03 | adminewb | nyov, really, didn't notice; I expect that given the package's names, gdisk package won't look for it |
| 04:05.13 | adminewb | so how would I get gdisk package to accept a newer version of a dif't package name? |
| 04:05.31 | nyov | could you elaborate on that; are you compiling that gdisk from source or do you have a package with dependencies? |
| 04:05.51 | adminewb | got a *amd64.deb file from sourceforge |
| 04:06.09 | adminewb | no compiling if binary's available :p |
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| 04:08.03 | nyov | adminewb: ah, so if libicu44 is the newer version, it would make sense to update that sf deb to compile against it. let me check |
| 04:08.07 | wols | !tell adminewb about ssb |
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| 04:09.19 | adminewb | o.o thanks wols |
| 04:11.15 | nyov | wols: but if the package name of the dependency changed? might be some more work? |
| 04:11.37 | wols | no. then you can use equivs if you want |
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| 04:12.04 | wols | or you recompile the gpt-thingie |
| 04:12.19 | nyov | ok let's hope there is a source package on sf then ;) |
| 04:13.00 | adminewb | there is, but I use crucifixes on such like |
| 04:13.30 | adminewb | in a previous life I was a programmer, so don't want to see how the sausage is made |
| 04:14.13 | nyov | hahaha |
| 04:14.27 | nyov | there's only an x86 package btw |
| 04:14.40 | adminewb | x86 libicuxx? |
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| 04:15.04 | wols | why using exactly this tool? there are others that can deal with gpt iirc |
| 04:15.16 | nyov | ah I miss the old sf, didn't see the rest of files |
| 04:15.27 | adminewb | well, I've found deficiencies in gparted and disk utility |
| 04:15.42 | adminewb | thought the shell level stuff would give more control |
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| 04:20.52 | adminewb | indeed this squeeze installation has libicu44 already |
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| 04:22.03 | pinoyoragon | Can Libreoffice format a java code (with colors) automatically? I'm creating a presentation and i love to have the colors of my code intact from eclipse IDE to my impress document |
| 04:22.29 | asarch | YINYAnG2587 |
| 04:22.37 | YINYAnG2587 | ya estoy |
| 04:22.47 | asarch | English! |
| 04:22.48 | asarch | :-P |
| 04:22.56 | YINYAnG2587 | no me jodas |
| 04:24.16 | YINYAnG2587 | not english |
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| 04:30.24 | adminewb | wols I don't understand about using equivalents |
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| 04:34.07 | wols | adminewb: /msg dkpkg equivs |
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| 04:50.43 | ManateeLazyCat | pasted "Segmentation fault when can't open display" at http://paste2.org/get/1489374 |
| 04:50.44 | ManateeLazyCat | I have GTK application works well, and i want make it run after network connection, so i add it in /etc/network/if-up.d . And strange thing is it always report Segmentation fault "GtkWarning: could not open display..." like above, any idea? Thanks! |
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| 04:55.42 | nyov | ManateeLazyCat: this is because your if-up.d/ scripts have no display when running. so this won't work |
| 04:56.19 | ManateeLazyCat | nyov: So how to fix it? |
| 04:56.35 | nyov | interesting problem though, I don't know how that should be done |
| 04:57.38 | ManateeLazyCat | nyov: My program is a update manager and running as system tray, i want it startup after network enable. Any other solution than if-up.d ? |
| 04:57.48 | nyov | ManateeLazyCat: the problem with that is, your connection could start up while your X hasn't even started yet |
| 04:58.08 | adminewb | ManateeLazyCat is this an init script dependency sort of thing? |
| 04:59.07 | ManateeLazyCat | adminewb: More detail? I can't understand |
| 04:59.46 | ManateeLazyCat | nyov: It's possible start X before start my program? |
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| 05:00.39 | ManateeLazyCat | nyov: Can i add some code in my script to make sure X start before than my program? |
| 05:00.49 | ManateeLazyCat | nyov: I use Gnome-2.32 |
| 05:01.26 | adminewb | ManateeLazyCat, man update-rc.d may give you some pertinent background |
| 05:01.56 | ManateeLazyCat | adminewb: Thanks, looking it... |
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| 05:02.36 | adminewb | run levels and daemon start/stop scripts, bleh |
| 05:03.49 | ManateeLazyCat | adminewb: Like nyov said "if-up.d/ scripts have no display when running", there have other directory like /etc/network/if-up.d but allowed script have display? |
| 05:05.37 | adminewb | was thinking there may be use for a script in /etc/init.d, where it can start/stop your service, which waits until a gtk-systray applet connects to it on a user's gnome desktop? no? |
| 05:05.54 | adminewb | just a thought |
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| 05:06.58 | adminewb | i'll defer to an expert, if one becomes available |
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| 05:12.40 | ManateeLazyCat | adminewb: Hmm, strange is if i "cd /etc/network/if-up.d" and execute script, everything works well. But script got "segmentation fault" if it execute after "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 05:13.28 | ManateeLazyCat | Google ... |
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| 05:35.26 | adminewb | if you want google to be friendlier, I recommend googleguide.com, btw |
| 05:36.00 | adminewb | ManateeLazyCat ^^ |
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| 05:54.45 | streuner | ManateeLazyCat: in GNOME you are able to add app. you want |
| 05:55.39 | streuner | ManateeLazyCat: System->Systemverwaltung->Anwendung hinzufuegen |
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| 05:56.52 | streuner | ManateeLazyCat: if you using startx, just add the app in .xsession |
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| 06:02.17 | ManateeLazyCat | streuner: I want my update manager running when network enable. |
| 06:02.40 | ManateeLazyCat | streuner: That's why i add it in /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 06:03.45 | valdyn_ | ManateeLazyCat: bad idea to start update-manager from that place directly |
| 06:04.19 | ManateeLazyCat | valdyn_: Better idea? ;) |
| 06:05.23 | valdyn_ | ManateeLazyCat: there already is a gnome notification area applet for that purpose |
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| 06:06.21 | ManateeLazyCat | valdyn_: My update manager is develop for my software center that use in Linux Deepin. http://www.ubuntusoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Screenshot-%E6%B7%B1%E5%BA%A6Linux%E8%BD%AF%E4%BB%B6%E4%B8%AD%E5%BF%83.jpg |
| 06:06.31 | ManateeLazyCat | valdyn_: Above is my new software center. |
| 06:07.12 | aminpy | http://dpaste.com/559218/plain/ <- how can I stop ...? |
| 06:07.15 | valdyn_ | ManateeLazyCat: you should know then that if-up.d is a bad place |
| 06:07.47 | ManateeLazyCat | valdyn_: Yes, you know better idea? |
| 06:07.58 | valdyn_ | aminpy: is another process using it? |
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| 06:08.08 | wols | aminpy: as the message says: some other program is using that lock. close your synaptic or other apt instance |
| 06:08.10 | streuner | aminpy: its pretty clear, isnt it? :-) |
| 06:08.27 | ManateeLazyCat | valdyn_: I wonder there have another solution fix my problem that don't use if-up.d . :) |
| 06:08.33 | valdyn_ | ManateeLazyCat: do it how that gnome app does it |
| 06:08.34 | aminpy | i haven't synaptic open |
| 06:08.48 | wols | something using libapt is open |
| 06:08.53 | aminpy | how can I stop that process |
| 06:08.59 | wols | by closing it |
| 06:08.59 | ManateeLazyCat | valdyn_: How does gnome app do ? |
| 06:09.03 | valdyn_ | ManateeLazyCat: generally you dont start X apps directly on system events, thats where this is a bad idea |
| 06:09.08 | streuner | aminpy: what do you use usually in order to install/manipulate packages? |
| 06:09.14 | aminpy | wols, I don't have any thing open! |
| 06:09.17 | valdyn_ | ManateeLazyCat: read the code yourself |
| 06:09.24 | ManateeLazyCat | valdyn_: OK |
| 06:09.24 | aminpy | streuner, apt-get |
| 06:09.38 | valdyn_ | ManateeLazyCat: in general, this probably works via dbus notification |
| 06:09.57 | ManateeLazyCat | valdyn_: Thanks for your suggestion! I will try it. :) |
| 06:10.17 | wols | aminpy: lsof |grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 06:10.44 | streuner | wols: good idea |
| 06:10.56 | aminpy | http://dpaste.com/559220/ wolfric |
| 06:10.59 | aminpy | wols, ^ |
| 06:11.03 | aminpy | * |
| 06:11.19 | wols | aminpy: now you know what has the lock open |
| 06:11.48 | aminpy | wols, can I close they with command? |
| 06:11.57 | wols | stop your update-manager! |
| 06:12.27 | aminpy | how :( |
| 06:12.34 | aminpy | my update-manage doesn't appear |
| 06:12.43 | wols | it does. it's part of your X session |
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| 06:21.07 | aidalgol | Why on Earth is the squeeze kernel image not built with the squeeze version of gcc? |
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| 06:21.40 | valdyn_ | aidalgol: why do you think its not? |
| 06:22.14 | aidalgol | valdyn_: The Nvidia installer says the kernel is built with gcc 4.3, but the installed version of gcc is 4.4. |
| 06:22.33 | valdyn_ | aidalgol: gcc-4.3 ships with squeeze |
| 06:23.09 | aidalgol | Not according to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gcc |
| 06:23.29 | valdyn_ | judd: versions gcc-4.3 |
| 06:23.29 | judd | Package gcc-4.3 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.3.5-4 |
| 06:23.30 | valdyn_ | judd: versions gcc-4.4 |
| 06:23.31 | judd | Package gcc-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; sid: 4.4.6-6; wheezy: 4.4.6-6 |
| 06:23.32 | valdyn_ | judd: versions gcc-4.2 |
| 06:23.33 | judd | Package gcc-4.2 on i386 -- lenny: 4.2.4-6 |
| 06:23.41 | aidalgol | Oh, wait, not as the *default* version. |
| 06:23.57 | valdyn_ | aidalgol: yea |
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| 06:24.38 | wols | aidalgol: you shouldn't use the nvidia installer anyways |
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| 06:24.58 | jelly-home | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 06:24.58 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; wheezy/non-free: 270.41.19-1; sid/non-free: 275.09.07-1; experimental/non-free: 275.09.07-3 |
| 06:25.20 | jelly-home | aidalgol: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 06:26.05 | aidalgol | wols: I'd rather not, but I seem ot have no choice. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/06/msg02061.html |
| 06:26.37 | valdyn_ | aidalgol: in practise you can use any gcc version for nvidia with any kernel |
| 06:26.49 | wols | !tell aidalgol about ssb |
| 06:26.57 | valdyn_ | aidalgol: or even better just switch for nvidia |
| 06:27.05 | wols | aidalgol: you can fairly easily backport the nvidia drivers from wheezy or sid and they should work fine |
| 06:27.27 | aidalgol | wols: Uh, how? |
| 06:27.28 | aidalgol | cs |
| 06:27.47 | aidalgol | (typo) |
| 06:28.00 | wols | aidalgol: dpkg just told you how |
| 06:28.42 | valdyn_ | does the recent sid breakage not affect this? |
| 06:28.43 | jelly-home | aidalgol: what exactly happened when you tried to pull in nvidia-dkms from sid? |
| 06:28.47 | aidalgol | wols: That was rather hard to follow. |
| 06:29.11 | jelly-home | aidalgol: did it fail to install, or fail to build, or fail to work? |
| 06:29.12 | aidalgol | jelly-home: X said it couldn't find the nvidia module. |
| 06:29.15 | wols | valdyn_: you mean the multiarch thing? shouldn't |
| 06:29.53 | jelly-home | aidalgol: care to pastebin dpkg -l \*nvidia\* |grep ^.i |
| 06:31.01 | aidalgol | While we're on the topic, when would I want to install the nvidia DKMS package? |
| 06:31.10 | aidalgol | Instead of just nvidia-glx. |
| 06:31.26 | wols | aidalgol: always. both are needed |
| 06:31.29 | valdyn_ | aidalgol: you cant use "just" nvidia-glx |
| 06:31.30 | aidalgol | ah |
| 06:31.54 | valdyn_ | aidalgol: choice is between dkms and the old build system |
| 06:32.14 | aidalgol | What's the old build system? module-assistant? |
| 06:32.34 | valdyn_ | aidalgol: yea |
| 06:32.37 | jelly-home | aidalgol: dkms is a framework to build kernel modules from source; if you're using a kernel that debian doesn't provide prebuilt modules for, either dkms or m-a (yes) is needed |
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| 06:33.19 | jelly-home | or if prebuilt modules are too old for your card like now |
| 06:33.28 | wols | aidalgol: the dkms is the kernel module, the glx is the opengl library |
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| 06:40.00 | aidalgol | Output of dpkg -l \*nvidia\* |grep ^.i is http:://sprunge.us/eYYT |
| 06:40.23 | aidalgol | *http://sprunge.us/eYYT |
| 06:41.19 | jelly-home | aidalgol: and output of dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-dkms ? |
| 06:41.20 | aidalgol | Ah, er, wrong versions of the kernel header packages. >_< |
| 06:41.45 | jelly-home | sorry, nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 06:44.58 | Miesco | What do you guys think of the new firefox release cycle? |
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| 06:45.19 | wols | Miesco: how is this a debian support topic? |
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| 06:45.51 | jelly-home | it's no |
| 06:46.20 | jelly-home | but it's a Sunday morning and noone is asking real support questions anyway |
| 06:46.35 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 06:46.35 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 06:47.03 | Miesco | wols: Well because debian's releases take so much more time, I did not know it was for only support, my bad |
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| 06:47.31 | aidalgol | Oh, hey! |
| 06:47.33 | jelly-home | we do have a separate channel for chat, #debian-offtopic |
| 06:47.46 | wols | Miesco: debian will support the released iceweasel until the support ends. it will get trickier when upstream only supports their code for 4 months however, yes |
| 06:47.47 | aidalgol | I just had to manually select the squeeze kernel headers. |
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| 06:47.57 | aidalgol | The sid headers were getting pulled in, instead. |
| 06:48.10 | jelly-home | aidalgol: uh -oh, remove sid from your sources.list |
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| 06:48.22 | aidalgol | Which obviously, meant the wrong module was being built for the wrong kernel. :P |
| 06:48.38 | wols | aidalgol: and check if anything else besides those sid headers got dragged in. stuff dragged in from sid is dangerous |
| 06:48.47 | Miesco | wols: How do I check what repository firefox 4 is in? |
| 06:48.49 | aidalgol | jelly-home: I only put it in to pull in nvidia-kernel-dkms from sid. |
| 06:49.03 | jelly-home | aidalgol: yes, and you did that so it's not needed any more |
| 06:49.09 | aidalgol | wols: Don't worry. I've become paranoid from hosing my system in the past. |
| 06:49.20 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Which is why I am removing it now. ;) |
| 06:50.08 | jelly-home | ,versions iceweasel |
| 06:50.09 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-7~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-7; sid: 3.5.19-2; wheezy: 3.5.19-2; experimental: 4.0.1-4 |
| 06:50.25 | jelly-home | Miesco: you might want to take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 06:51.15 | Miesco | jelly-home: Yea i'm at that |
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| 06:51.46 | aidalgol | Miesco: Yes, do seriously consider using the Iceweasel packages from mozilla.debian.net. I finally upgraded to Iceweasel 6 a few days ago. |
| 06:51.53 | jelly-home | 6? |
| 06:51.55 | aidalgol | Got tired of being so far behind with that package. |
| 06:52.03 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Yes, I live on edge. :P |
| 06:52.09 | aidalgol | It's actually very stable. |
| 06:52.21 | jelly-home | I'm using Firefox 3.6. |
| 06:52.31 | Miesco | aidalgol: Yea I have firefox 4 from there, does it make sense to get 5 from there? |
| 06:52.35 | jelly-home | not the "iceweasel" imitation <g> |
| 06:52.36 | aidalgol | That's what I *was* using. |
| 06:52.56 | aidalgol | Miesco: Might as well, since you're already using that repo. |
| 06:53.17 | Miesco | aidalgol: Yea, plus they don't make security updates for firefox 4 in the new cycle |
| 06:54.03 | aidalgol | Miesco: Yes, that may be a concern. Probably another reason to use 5 from there, if you're already using 4. |
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| 06:56.38 | Miesco | ,versions dpkg |
| 06:56.38 | judd | Package dpkg on i386 -- lenny: 1.14.31; lenny-security: 1.14.31; squeeze: 1.15.8.10; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.15.8.11; sid: 1.16.0.3; wheezy: 1.16.0.3 |
| 06:57.30 | Miesco | How come aptitude wants to upgrade to 1.15.8.11 (as with a hundred other upgrades)? |
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| 06:58.54 | aidalgol | jelly-home, wols: You'll be please to know that the only packages on my (squeeze) system from sid are components of the nvidia drivers and a few games. |
| 06:59.02 | ZykoticK9 | Miesco, 6.0.2? |
| 07:00.11 | jelly-home | aidalgol: yes my righteous anger is calmed now |
| 07:00.40 | jelly-home | Miesco: let it. |
| 07:01.08 | jelly-home | those are non-security but important fixes for 6.0 |
| 07:01.28 | jelly-home | !squeeze |
| 07:01.28 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.2>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 07:01.42 | jelly-home | !6.0.2 |
| 07:01.42 | dpkg | Debian 6.0.2 was released on June 25th, 2011. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Users who keep up to date with security.debian.org will have little to update. Further details at http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110625 and http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 07:02.11 | jelly-home | *cough*little to update*cough* |
| 07:03.01 | Miesco | jelly-home: Okay, I was afraid I accidently went to experimental or something after adding firefox 5 |
| 07:03.36 | jelly-home | Miesco: apt-cache policy packagename will tell you where it's going to be installed from |
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| 07:04.04 | Miesco | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 07:05.50 | adminewb | I looked at most of the change logs for these point release updates. |
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| 07:06.39 | Miesco | adminewb: Where are the change logs? |
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| 07:08.05 | adminewb | Miesco, well if you're using aptitude, you pick a package with an update and press C |
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| 07:08.17 | jelly-home | Miesco: if you install apt-listchanges, you can read them or have them sent to mail at install time, and you get to have a final confirmation to go forward with upgrades after reading |
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| 07:13.33 | netanel | hey all, maybe someone could help me, I'm using debian squeeze, with nis service, nfs and autofs - and i'm trying to mount some nfs directories, it seems it create the directories - but i cant enter them, it alwayse say "No such file or directory" - but i can see them. |
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| 07:16.02 | aidalgol | Why is privoxy failing to start at boottime, even though it's set to start at runlevels 2, 3, 4, and 5? |
| 07:16.24 | jelly-home | aidalgol: what say logs? |
| 07:16.25 | aidalgol | Everything else that's supposed to start at those runlevels does. |
| 07:16.35 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Which logs? I'm not sure where to look. |
| 07:16.54 | adminewb | say you have some compressed partimage disk image files to restore: what's an easy way to check how big the disk partition should be for these? |
| 07:17.04 | Miesco | I removed iceweasel package, because I want to go back to iceweasel 4 but it now says its 3.5 |
| 07:17.15 | Miesco | I changed it to 4 for the mozilla repository |
| 07:17.25 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Fatal error: can't bind to localhost:8118: The hostname is not resolvable |
| 07:17.28 | jelly-home | aidalgol: I don't know where privoxy logs, either. /var/log/privoxy* or grep -i privoxy /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 07:17.49 | Miesco | oh, don't I have to do aptitude -t squeeze-backports? |
| 07:17.52 | jelly-home | aidalgol: is your lo interface up and 127.0.0.1 present in /etc/hosts? |
| 07:18.22 | netanel | for some reason when the autofs start, i can't reach the folders anymore :. |
| 07:18.23 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Well, I can start it manually via sudo invoke-rc.d privoxy start, once I've logged in. |
| 07:18.34 | aidalgol | It just can't start at boot time. |
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| 07:18.59 | sauvin | I can't get Evolution (Debian Squeeze) working. |
| 07:18.59 | jelly-home | aidalgol: if you run your own nameserver, there might be a dependency/race issue |
| 07:19.17 | jelly-home | sauvin: because it sucks! |
| 07:19.20 | jelly-home | hides |
| 07:19.33 | sauvin | That's as may be, but it worked beautifully under Lenny. What gives? |
| 07:19.33 | aidalgol | jelly-home: I'm not running any such server. |
| 07:19.41 | aidalgol | At least, not one I set up myself. |
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| 07:19.53 | wols | !tell sauvin about doesn't work |
| 07:20.06 | jelly-home | aidalgol: where do nameserver lines in /etc/resolv.conf point to? |
| 07:20.25 | Miesco | Ah, iceweasel 4 isn't available in the mozilla repository anymore |
| 07:20.33 | jelly-home | aidalgol: and again, is there a 127.0.0.1 localhost line in /etc/hosts? |
| 07:20.52 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Yes, there is. |
| 07:20.58 | sauvin | mmkay, more specifically, the error I get when launching it from a CLI is this: evolution-shell-Message: Network disconnected. Forced offline. |
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| 07:21.10 | Miesco | that sucks, I need iceweasel 4 to use pentadactyle |
| 07:21.18 | aidalgol | jelly-home: The sole line in /etc/resolv.conf is: nameserver 192.168.2.1 (which is my router) |
| 07:21.18 | Bartzy|work | Where should I put SSH public and private keys , if the user is www-data ? |
| 07:21.19 | sauvin | Some googling around suggested that it had something to do with NetworkManager. Any clues how to fix? |
| 07:21.46 | jelly-home | aidalgol: alright. I guess "getent hosts localhost" works at this point? |
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| 07:22.22 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Prints this --> ::1 localhost |
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| 07:22.51 | SpeedyG | yay, installing debian on my desktop after a few days of usb-booting :> |
| 07:22.55 | jelly-home | aidalgol: only that, no ipv4? |
| 07:23.06 | aidalgol | Privoxy starts fine on my netbook running the exact system. |
| 07:23.10 | aidalgol | jelly-home: No, no IPv4. |
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| 07:23.39 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Odd: on my netbook, it prints 127.0.0.1 instead of ::1 |
| 07:23.55 | Miesco | wait pentactyle nightly build works |
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| 07:24.06 | jelly-home | aidalgol: just for fun, can you comment out ::1 line in /etc/hosts and reboot |
| 07:24.24 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Do I want to do this? |
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| 07:24.38 | jelly-home | aidalgol: do you use IPv6 at all? |
| 07:24.44 | adminewb | gzipped partimage disk images to restore: how to quickly determine the partition size they want? |
| 07:24.54 | aidalgol | jelly-home: No, never. |
| 07:25.01 | jelly-home | aidalgol: then yes |
| 07:26.21 | aidalgol | jelly-home: OK, so which line? http://paste.debian.net/121023/ |
| 07:26.37 | jelly-home | aidalgol: just line 5 |
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| 07:27.45 | sauvin | Mmkay, nobody wanted to help me. Google said to edit the /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf to change the line that says "managed=false" to "true". That seems to have done the trick. Anybody have any clue why this was necessary? |
| 07:28.31 | SpeedyG | sauvin: first logical guess would be 'to allow the manager to manage instead of using manually created settings' |
| 07:28.34 | wols | cause evolution is a shitty gnome app that depends on even more shitty gnome network manager |
| 07:28.38 | SpeedyG | but thatts more of an educated guess |
| 07:29.42 | sauvin | This kind of editorialising isn't actually very helpful :sigh: |
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| 07:29.56 | sauvin | Lenny was a rock. It NEVER gave me any trouble. |
| 07:30.03 | jelly-home | sauvin: you have to admit that's not an obvious solution to mail client issues |
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| 07:30.50 | jelly-home | sauvin: lots of issues in squeeze stem from upstream. Not all. |
| 07:31.14 | jelly-home | so not even debian got time to fix all the annoyances |
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| 07:31.48 | SpeedyG | wols: what kind of WM/DM/?M do you prefer if its not gnome ? |
| 07:32.03 | casts | e! e! e! |
| 07:32.03 | G0d-servant | were discus to install kms(kernel mode setting) on Squeeze? on wiki not say how to be install. |
| 07:32.05 | aidalgol | jelly-home: OK, be right back. |
| 07:32.06 | sauvin | I guess wols is going to freaking SHOOT me when he learns I'm using KDE. |
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| 07:32.58 | jelly-home | even worse, KDE4 |
| 07:33.15 | sauvin | Time and tide and all that rot. |
| 07:33.22 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: whats wrong with KDE4 ? |
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| 07:33.41 | casts | speedy, speedy |
| 07:35.09 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: nothing really |
| 07:35.10 | SpeedyG | what? from and end-user perspective I must say i'm quite happy with the looks&feels? |
| 07:35.26 | wols | sauvin: everyone can use the bloat (s)he wants |
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| 07:36.37 | wols | G0d-servant: it's already installed |
| 07:36.44 | jelly-home | at this point I'd rather spend a bit of money to buy more RAM than waste hours searching for an elusive less-bloated DE |
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| 07:38.25 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: exactly, like diskspace, memory is cheap as can be nowdays |
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| 07:40.35 | G0d-servant | wols: cat ls /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf |
| 07:40.35 | G0d-servant | cat: ls: No such file or directory |
| 07:40.35 | G0d-servant | options i915 modeset=1 |
| 07:41.11 | wols | G0d-servant: and? |
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| 07:41.49 | SpeedyG | haha, briliant! http://xkcd.com/916/ |
| 07:41.57 | G0d-servant | that mean its enabled? |
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| 07:42.08 | ujjain | do I need to create a partition first or can I mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb? |
| 07:42.09 | wols | check your kernel log to see |
| 07:42.14 | G0d-servant | wols |
| 07:42.44 | wols | ujjain: you don't need to create a partition but you should |
| 07:44.23 | G0d-servant | wols: how i understand kms is enabled? |
| 07:44.50 | G0d-servant | dmesg |grep inteldrmfb |
| 07:44.50 | G0d-servant | [ 5.763470] fb: conflicting fb hw usage inteldrmfb vs EFI VGA - removing generic driver |
| 07:44.50 | G0d-servant | [ 5.818614] fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device |
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| 07:46.12 | ujjain | wols: k:) |
| 07:46.43 | ujjain | wols: what is the difference between partition and no partition on mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb? |
| 07:46.58 | wols | ujjain: you know. you're a linux professional as you said |
| 07:47.48 | ujjain | wols: lol, I was just annoyed yesterday because of somebody being disrespectful |
| 07:47.55 | wols | G0d-servant: usually it tells you "... kernel mode setting enabled" |
| 07:49.16 | jelly-home | G0d-servant: if you console switched to inteldrmfb that's a pretty sure sign KMS is working |
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| 07:51.31 | wols | how do I change between framebuffers? |
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| 07:52.07 | simonlnu | and that "removing generic driver". generally speaking i'd say that's a good thing if you want kms going. (i suppose you wouldn't load the generic one in the first place, ut the code is smart enough to see it loaded and move it) |
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| 07:55.50 | wols | what other userspace utils deal with framebuffers except fbset? |
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| 08:03.17 | G0d-servant | wols, jelly-home: I actually not know that KMS is enable for my system. issue is, i how discover that KMS is working? |
| 08:03.50 | simonlnu | with resolution and such? none that i know of. |
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| 08:04.52 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Well, first, the output of getent hosts localhost didn't change. |
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| 08:05.06 | jelly-home | aidalgol: that's weird |
| 08:05.16 | khaije|minder | is there a seperate chan for packaging questions? |
| 08:05.31 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 08:05.31 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 08:05.42 | jelly-home | khaije|minder: ^^ |
| 08:05.46 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Second: after several reboots, with the line commented and uncommented, I can conclude that the problem is independent of whether line five of the hosts file is commented. |
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| 08:06.53 | jelly-home | aidalgol: mhm. Does the output of getent hosts localhost change if you boot with ipv6.disable=1 boot param? |
| 08:07.25 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Um, I'll try that. |
| 08:07.29 | khaije|minder | thanks jelly-home :) |
| 08:07.45 | aidalgol | I pass that by typing 'e' at the grub menu and appending that to the line, right? |
| 08:08.24 | simonlnu | sure |
| 08:08.34 | jelly-home | aidalgol: yes, or as a more permanent solution add it to /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= |
| 08:08.42 | jelly-home | and update-grub |
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| 08:15.05 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Output same. Privoxy has started, though. |
| 08:15.12 | aidalgol | But I would have to try a few reboots to be sure there's a correlation. |
| 08:15.28 | eshat | Anyoneelse experinecing segfaul when starting chromium sometimes (on sid) ? |
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| 08:15.49 | aidalgol | How do I ensure that that ipv6.disable was successfully set? |
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| 08:16.58 | aidalgol | Um, in grub2, where are the kernel command-line options defined? |
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| 08:18.07 | acemi | aidalgol: /etc/default/grub at GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ipv6.disable=1" |
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| 08:19.58 | jelly-home | aidalgol: ifconfig -a won't show any ipv6 addresses |
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| 08:25.18 | jelly-home | aidalgol: the settings in /etc/default/grub will only be applied after running update-grub |
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| 08:27.33 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Well, the option *was* set. |
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| 08:28.03 | aidalgol | So why the heck does getent hosts localhost still return ::1 localhost ? |
| 08:28.29 | aidalgol | And why does `host localhost' still print the IPv6 address? |
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| 08:29.13 | aidalgol | mutters about race conditions. |
| 08:29.30 | acemi | aidalgol: did you reboot the machine after update-grub |
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| 08:30.03 | aidalgol | acemi: No, I just manually added the option to the command line through the grub menu at boot. |
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| 08:31.29 | acemi | what did you add? ipv6.disable=1 ? |
| 08:31.40 | rsampaio | hi, I am trying to install using preseed, when there is no partition the lvm recipe works fine, when a VG is already created I always get the VG NAME Error, does anyone know what should I use on preseed to skip this or remove vgs before install? |
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| 08:39.13 | aidalgol | Hmm, disabling IPv6 *seems* to eliminate the race condition. |
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| 08:39.45 | aidalgol | I'll leave the problem for now, since it's rather minor. |
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| 08:48.08 | cnale | any help please. trying to dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze. getting error linux-image-2.6.32-5-686: Depends: linux-base (>= 2.6.32-34squeeze1) ideas? |
| 08:48.53 | cnale | i am âª2.6.26-2-686â¬, but thought i could upgrade to squeeze from this |
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| 08:49.27 | cnale | ;( |
| 08:49.34 | cnale | (so lost) |
| 08:49.48 | Zvpun | Hi, I have installed dictd, how can I configure my debian installation to use IPv4 instead of IPv6 to access localhost:dict |
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| 08:52.34 | cnale | everyone must be sleeping |
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| 08:56.45 | themill | cnale: are you following the release notes on how to do the upgrade? |
| 08:56.57 | cnale | yes |
| 08:57.14 | cnale | i've updated debian plenty of times. maybe i'm too tired. |
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| 09:02.40 | npoektop | hi! what about samba vs nfs3 security? I'm not very concerned about performance right now. I want to setup non-anonimous share and use it under mac. Nfs3 seems to be insecure by design, and i can't set up ipsec since mac can't do that. Samba at least allows to encrypt passwords. What do you think? |
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| 09:03.29 | wols | samba is better. but if you do it outside a LAN, you definitely want to do it only via a VPN and tunnel the samba traffic through that |
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| 09:05.28 | SpeedyG | hm, why does formatting my harddrive take so long when run from a debian live usb-stick .. it's been working on it for over an hour already |
| 09:06.38 | wols | cause you "format", you should make a filesystem instead |
| 09:07.08 | wols | e.g. you might have used the "-c" option of mke2fs |
| 09:07.09 | SpeedyG | well, thats probably what it's doing... its the default debian partition disks screen during installation |
| 09:07.22 | SpeedyG | running the gui installer off the live disk |
| 09:07.55 | npoektop | wols: thanks. It's for lan only. sftp for wan. |
| 09:08.52 | wols | SpeedyG: go into tty2 (ctrl+alt+f2), kill the mke2fs and run your own, without -c. shouldn't be more than a minute then |
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| 09:13.23 | Zvpun | could you help me connecting to localhost with IPv4 for a specific port? How would I do that? (dictd is IPv4 only) |
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| 09:13.59 | SpeedyG | wols: there was somehow no mke2fs process running, but just pressing the cancel button continued to the next screen and now it's creating filesystems :> |
| 09:14.16 | wols | so it ran badblocks or something similar maybe |
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| 09:14.26 | zappal | Zvpun: 127.0.0.1:2222 |
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| 09:14.45 | SpeedyG | wols: yeah, probably |
| 09:15.05 | homie | Zvpun: either in /etc/default/dictd or some such or in the initscript in /etc/init.d |
| 09:15.14 | homie | or in it's own config file in /etc |
| 09:15.36 | homie | don't know where it's specified |
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| 09:15.56 | Zvpun | zappal: thank you. I used "localhost" instead. I suppose that localhost resolves to ::1 and 127.0.0.1 and thus IPv6 was chosen, thank you so much! |
| 09:16.02 | Zvpun | homie: no |
| 09:16.54 | SpeedyG | wols: but i'm still curious for your preferred WM/DM/?M ;-) |
| 09:17.05 | zappal | Zvpun: cheers |
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| 09:18.43 | wols | SpeedyG: right now I am in a small install of gnome (the most basic one from dpkg's factoid). but usually I use *box or windowmaker. The main reason is I need a popup menu. I'm accustomed to that since OS/2 WPS, Windows with litestep, etc |
| 09:19.05 | wols | i.e. right mouse button on desktop gives you a popup menu with all your applications and such |
| 09:19.17 | SpeedyG | ah, litestep, thats been quite a while since i've seen/heard that :) |
| 09:20.12 | SpeedyG | yeah, I know the system... it's quite nice once you're used to it.. |
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| 09:26.42 | Miesco | Whats a good open source virtual machine? |
| 09:27.08 | homie | vbox and qemu |
| 09:27.28 | homie | err is xen open source too ? |
| 09:27.48 | wols | yes |
| 09:27.51 | Stava | I'm installing debian squeeze on a VM, but its been stuck at http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/1448/stuckr.png for a long time now. Perhaps its because my internet connection went down for a while? |
| 09:28.02 | wols | but I wouldn't advise to use Xen to someone who has to ask :) |
| 09:28.06 | zappal | Miesco: virtualbox or kvm |
| 09:28.48 | wols | Stava: possibly. go to tty2 and kill apt. you can always finish the installation of that software later |
| 09:29.10 | Stava | wols, I should have thought about switching tty! thanks |
| 09:29.39 | Miesco | zappal: qemu-kvm? |
| 09:29.42 | wols | Stava: next time: never use tasksel, especially not in the installer .) |
| 09:29.54 | Stava | wols, i dont even know what that is :p |
| 09:29.55 | zappal | Miesco: yes |
| 09:29.56 | wols | Miesco: yes. but only if you have VT support |
| 09:30.15 | homie | i just don't get why the newest qemu's would be slow on disk |
| 09:30.17 | wols | Stava: that thing at the end of the installer where you selected that software that is currently stalled installing |
| 09:30.34 | homie | somehow my distro qemu is faster with images |
| 09:30.42 | zappal | Miesco: it depends, if you'd like to use 3d then you should have a look at virtualbox |
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| 09:31.12 | Stava | wols, where i choose to install web, print, dns -servers? I always uncheck everything but standard system utilities |
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| 09:31.22 | Stava | wols, should I skip that step all together? |
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| 09:32.03 | wols | Stava: most people do. if you need it you can always lateron run "tasksel" |
| 09:32.13 | Stava | alright |
| 09:32.15 | Stava | thanks |
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| 09:35.07 | ali3n0 | hi folks. is there an easy way to check out which services will be started in $x runlevel? |
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| 09:37.09 | wols | ali3n0: ls /etc/rc<number>.d/S* rcconf might also show it |
| 09:37.21 | cahoot | how about ls /etc/rc#*? |
| 09:37.35 | cahoot | doh |
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| 09:42.02 | wols | my debian lacks a powerdev group. isn't that needed to power down the laptop from inside X? and which package creates powerdev? |
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| 09:52.40 | pythoned | Hi, I installed debian on a laptop but I saw that I have no ethernet driver. How can I install it since I can't connect to the internet from that machine? |
| 09:53.01 | pythoned | It's a broadcom adaptor. |
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| 09:54.50 | wols | probably needs non-free firmware |
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| 09:55.50 | wols | pythoned: install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 09:56.36 | pythoned | How can I install it? I have no internet connection on that machine wols. |
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| 09:58.34 | Flash_ | download the deb on another computer, put onto usb stick ? |
| 09:58.37 | wols | pythoned: go to packages.debian.org there you can download it, it is a metapackage however, so you want the broadcom firmware package only probably |
| 09:59.13 | pythoned | wols, Thanks so much. |
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| 10:02.08 | Stava | How can I view all packages/programs installed on my system so that I can (try to) tell which i dont need? |
| 10:02.21 | joltcan | sg |
| 10:02.23 | joltcan | oops |
| 10:02.37 | wols | Stava: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
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| 10:03.44 | Stava | wols, are unused packages marked with ii? |
| 10:04.31 | Flash_ | that's the installed packages |
| 10:04.36 | Stava | oh |
| 10:04.39 | Stava | thanks |
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| 10:10.38 | jelly-home | aidalgol: I have no idea where the 'v6 localhost comes from then |
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| 10:11.41 | aidalgol | jelly-home: I don't know what the problem is. I have almost the exact same system on my netbook, and privoxy never fails to start on boot. |
| 10:12.08 | Black_Prince | pivoxy is just waste of cpu resources :/ |
| 10:12.28 | aidalgol | The only difference between that system and this one (ignoring harware) is that I have less installed on the netbook. |
| 10:12.35 | aidalgol | Black_Prince: What do you suggest instead? |
| 10:13.01 | zappal | aidalgol: polipo? |
| 10:13.04 | Black_Prince | If you use it for ad blocking use adblock plus with firefox |
| 10:13.13 | aidalgol | Black_Prince: Privoxy is using ~2K right now. |
| 10:13.14 | Black_Prince | If you are using for something else then I don't know |
| 10:14.04 | Black_Prince | privoxy does not block most ads and thats not good |
| 10:16.06 | zappal | Black_Prince: did you have a look at polipo? |
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| 10:16.26 | aidalgol | Black_Prince: I thought privoxy sanitized the HTTP to help privacy (or something like that). |
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| 10:18.56 | zappal | Black_Prince: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polipo |
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| 10:28.46 | Black_Prince | for privacy (and caching, and antivirus scanning, and content filtering) use squid .. |
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| 10:30.50 | Black_Prince | this polipo thing does same thing as squid ... But squid has more features |
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| 10:43.09 | Neo9 | hi |
| 10:43.40 | wols | hello |
| 10:43.55 | Neo9 | Just a little question :) |
| 10:44.10 | Neo9 | Is KDE well integrated to Debian ? |
| 10:44.31 | Neo9 | I use to use Debian stable + gnome |
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| 10:45.24 | babilen | Neo9: It is as well integrated as any other Desktop Environment. Try it! Other desktop environments that are worth a look comprise LXDE and XFCE |
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| 10:46.27 | Neo9 | Okay, i'll test that so |
| 10:46.30 | wols | !tell Neo9 about install kde |
| 10:47.07 | nsadmin | Neo9, the shell is better integrated than any de |
| 10:47.10 | Neo9 | I've already test LXDE and XFCE : XFCE better (to me, subjective) |
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| 10:47.20 | Neo9 | nsadmin: of course :) |
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| 10:48.52 | Neo9 | thanks wols ! |
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| 10:50.16 | Neo9 | see ya :) |
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| 11:00.17 | twanny796 | cannot change crontab ?? |
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| 11:03.21 | babilen | twanny796: You might want to elaborate/ask a complete question. |
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| 11:04.10 | Calyp | I have an issue here... |
| 11:04.15 | Calyp | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:04.15 | Calyp | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.15 | Calyp | E: Broken packages |
| 11:04.20 | boudiccas | twanny796; so? |
| 11:04.28 | twanny796 | babilen: I do crontab -e, make changes and cannot save |
| 11:05.03 | twanny796 | babilen: it's using the nano editor |
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| 11:07.58 | confusedDeb | the only line that was in my sources.list in etc/apt/ was a line for my CD. i added "deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free". but since updating and all that. i still can't access any usualy packages. apt-get install xchat (Nope), apt-get install bleachbit (NOPE). |
| 11:08.28 | confusedDeb | i checked the database. there are such things as bleachbit for squeeze. what lines am i missing from source.list? |
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| 11:08.45 | Stava | I get lots of "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." when installing software and other things. dpk-reconfigure locales dont seem to help |
| 11:08.47 | Stava | what should i do? |
| 11:09.59 | confusedDeb | just removed the commented out cdrom. still can't get access to the deb database |
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| 11:10.37 | confusedDeb | i also downloaded the .deb for squeeze that bleachbit said was for squeeze. i ran debian installer but nothing appears to of happpeened. |
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| 11:11.34 | robert | Hello i just installed debian, i got a GUI but i cant get the wireless connection working on my laptop, wicd doesnt show any wireless networks |
| 11:11.46 | robert | Network card is an atheros |
| 11:12.25 | boudiccas | robert; which version of debian? |
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| 11:12.42 | robert | boudiccas, i'm not sure but i think the newest because i downloaded today |
| 11:13.31 | confusedDeb | i am so confused. what is the cheat code. what is the dang line i put into the sources.list so i can install bleachbit, codeblox or even xchat for freek sake |
| 11:13.47 | robert | ifconfig wlan0 shows this : |
| 11:13.53 | robert | oo wait is there a pastebin ? |
| 11:14.08 | boudiccas | robert; yes, any pastebin will do |
| 11:14.23 | robert | http://pastebin.com/RvAU05aL |
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| 11:16.19 | vchrizz | when i grep some lines from some output, is it somehow possible to sort them? |
| 11:16.49 | robert | Mm, i dont think i need an driver because iwconfig shows me that output ... |
| 11:16.52 | Wyzard | vchrizz: sure, pipe into sort |
| 11:17.08 | twanny796 | babilen: crontab is giving error in crontab, can't install. I'm giving 30 10 * * * * /sbin/shutdown -h now ?? |
| 11:18.08 | robert | boudiccas, Do you know what the problem is ? |
| 11:18.25 | boudiccas | nope, i know nothing about wireless |
| 11:18.26 | Wyzard | twanny796: You want your machine to shut down at 10:30am every day? |
| 11:18.38 | twanny796 | Wyzard: yes |
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| 11:18.52 | Wyzard | twanny796: You have one asterisk too many, btw |
| 11:18.52 | vchrizz | Wyzard: oh, didnt know "sort", how self-explaining heh.. well i do: iwlist wlan0 scan | egrep "ESSID|Quality" | sort ; but i try to sort by signal, how would i do that? |
| 11:19.46 | twanny796 | Wyzard: ok that did it, ;) |
| 11:19.59 | vchrizz | sort -n does nearly what i need, just that the ESSID lines are on top and the Quality lines on bottom |
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| 11:20.09 | Wyzard | vchrizz: If the signal-strength number is always at a certain position on the line, use sort's -k option to specify where it is |
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| 11:20.52 | Wyzard | If it can vary, then your job is trickier, because sort doesn't know anything about sorting by "signal strength"; it just sees characters |
| 11:20.55 | robert | Can somebody help me to setup my wireless connection in debian ??? |
| 11:21.04 | Calyp_ | problem: http://paste.debian.net/121044/ |
| 11:21.08 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 11:21.18 | Wyzard | In that case you could use awk to extract the relevant fields and put them into a format that sort can handle better |
| 11:22.45 | vchrizz | Wyzard: sure, only thing is, before sorting ive got ESSID,Quality for each ap; after sorting ive got ESSID for each ap, after that i got Quality for each ap, now how do i know which quality is from which ap? :) |
| 11:23.56 | Wyzard | ESSID and signal quality are shown on different lines? |
| 11:24.12 | vchrizz | sec, ill pastebin ;) |
| 11:26.04 | vchrizz | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/xhMdr2YC |
| 11:27.05 | Wyzard | You'll probably need to use something like sed to extract the fields you're interested in and put them into a single-line format that's more amenable to line-based tools like grep and sort |
| 11:27.32 | confusedDeb | ok so i think i have access to more packages now. |
| 11:27.34 | Wyzard | Unfortunately I'm not a sed expert so I probably cant' help much with that |
| 11:27.48 | confusedDeb | do i need to do a dist upgrade |
| 11:28.03 | vchrizz | Wyzard: ah, i get the idea, will try that! thanks |
| 11:28.12 | Wyzard | but you'll want to use a pattern that matches the quality number, followed by some stuff containing a newline, followed by the ESSID string |
| 11:28.15 | confusedDeb | i want stable release only. but the dist upgrade yes or no ? |
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| 11:28.54 | wols | !tell confusedDeb about squeeze sources.list |
| 11:29.05 | wols | confusedDeb: no need for dist-upgrade |
| 11:29.06 | confusedDeb | i have that |
| 11:29.09 | confusedDeb | ok |
| 11:29.10 | Wyzard | confusedDeb: What did you add to your sources.list? |
| 11:29.13 | vchrizz | confusedDeb: if you have stable in yout /etc/apt/sources.list you can upgrade as much as you want, you will get only stable pkgs |
| 11:29.18 | vchrizz | your* |
| 11:29.36 | confusedDeb | ok now i have 27,000. i think whatever lines i added were the correct oens |
| 11:29.42 | confusedDeb | before i had 800 at best |
| 11:30.08 | boudiccas | 27,000? 800 what? |
| 11:30.16 | vchrizz | maybe you were missing non-free and/or contrib ? |
| 11:30.24 | wols | he was missing main |
| 11:30.28 | vchrizz | or that |
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| 11:31.15 | confusedDeb | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 11:31.30 | confusedDeb | that was the one that made the different. before i just had debian security line. and before that just teh cd |
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| 11:31.52 | robert | Can somebody help me to setup a wireless connection on debian, it wont work for some reason |
| 11:32.18 | vchrizz | robert: define "it wont work" ;) |
| 11:32.37 | vchrizz | tell some error or explain in detail what is not working |
| 11:33.12 | robert | Yeah i did already, but again, wicd doesnt find any wireless networks, and iwconfig shows this : http://pastebin.com/RvAU05aL |
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| 11:34.51 | vchrizz | robert: looks fine, try: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 11:35.38 | robert | vchrizz, it shows some networks |
| 11:35.47 | wols | robert: are you using WPA? |
| 11:35.57 | robert | wols, Yes wpa2 psk |
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| 11:37.15 | robert | wols, vchrizz, do i need to run wicd (the gui) in sudo ? |
| 11:37.20 | wols | robert: add this to your /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.debian.net/121051/ |
| 11:37.31 | vchrizz | i dont know/use wicd, sorr |
| 11:37.32 | vchrizz | y |
| 11:38.01 | wols | robert: then run ifup wlan0 |
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| 11:39.31 | robert | mm seems to work wait i make an paste |
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| 11:40.40 | robert | http://pastebin.com/Pb9VL3is |
| 11:40.41 | wols | just check if you have a proper IP with /sbin/ifconfig if you do, it has worked |
| 11:40.44 | robert | wols, http://pastebin.com/Pb9VL3is |
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| 11:41.27 | wols | if you want to use wicd, you have to comment out the lines in your interfaces file again afaik. and yes you need to run it as root |
| 11:41.33 | robert | wols, Mm wicd shows networks now |
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| 11:44.10 | dym | Hey, im trying to run irssi in a jailed shell environment, but i get those errors: https://gist.github.com/1047548 any idea on that? |
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| 11:45.03 | wols | dym: doesn't look like debian... |
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| 11:45.19 | dym | dym: 'tis (: |
| 11:45.21 | dym | erm |
| 11:45.22 | dym | wols: |
| 11:45.23 | dym | :D |
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| 11:48.08 | flypp | dym, coul you try this? -> irssi --config=~/.irssi/fake_config |
| 11:48.21 | dym | flypp: same error |
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| 11:48.42 | wrksx | Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-26lenny2 (using .../linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64_2.6.26-26lenny3_amd64.deb) ... |
| 11:48.54 | wrksx | ^ does that mean reboot neede ? |
| 11:48.59 | wrksx | needed |
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| 11:49.19 | jelly-home | wrksx: yes |
| 11:49.20 | rozie | wrksx: yes |
| 11:49.31 | wrksx | fuck me |
| 11:49.38 | jelly-home | no thanks |
| 11:49.39 | rozie | u wish |
| 11:49.46 | wrksx | it's what we could call a kernel update |
| 11:49.52 | wrksx | right ? |
| 11:50.05 | wols | not just could. it is a kernel update |
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| 11:50.11 | wrksx | ow damn |
| 11:50.12 | rozie | there's method for online kernel change |
| 11:50.16 | wols | just use it to upgrade to squeeze :) |
| 11:50.23 | bluesceada | hi |
| 11:50.25 | rozie | and the machine will work without reboot |
| 11:50.40 | bluesceada | how can i prevent debian/rsyslog to fill /var/log/syslog and /var/log/daemon.log with no end |
| 11:50.44 | wrksx | but what's the point to use safe upgrade v upgrade ? |
| 11:50.48 | bluesceada | they are both hundreds of megabytes big ... |
| 11:50.58 | wols | bluesceada: depends what it fills it with |
| 11:51.08 | bluesceada | just normal log |
| 11:51.12 | bluesceada | not errors.. |
| 11:51.25 | bluesceada | it seems to be there since i installed the system |
| 11:51.27 | bluesceada | wait.. |
| 11:51.27 | rozie | by default there's logrotate for this |
| 11:51.43 | bluesceada | yeah i also thought that |
| 11:51.47 | flypp | dym, this is for gentoo, but you could make a try -> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Jail (search irssi) |
| 11:51.47 | bluesceada | but it seems it isnt... |
| 11:51.52 | bluesceada | hm wait |
| 11:52.02 | dym | flypp: ill check it. thanks |
| 11:52.09 | bluesceada | it's a log since february 2nd |
| 11:52.10 | rozie | it seems someone messed the logrotate up |
| 11:52.31 | rozie | by default syslog is rotated daily |
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| 11:53.20 | bluesceada | i didnt change anything from the squeeze install |
| 11:53.31 | bluesceada | except that i installed squeeze rc2 or something and updated from there |
| 11:53.45 | bluesceada | i mostly didnt touch anything from the system |
| 11:54.01 | bluesceada | (desktop...) |
| 11:54.36 | rozie | somehow I can't belive this. but you need to debug logrotate |
| 11:54.44 | bluesceada | wtf |
| 11:54.45 | rozie | it can be run manually |
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| 11:54.56 | bluesceada | why would i need to do that :( |
| 11:55.06 | bluesceada | i just delete daemon.log and syslog and be set for a while ... |
| 11:55.14 | bluesceada | no time for debugging logrotate at the moment |
| 11:55.29 | rozie | that rather won't fix logrotate |
| 11:55.38 | bluesceada | (or you tell me a very striaghtforward way?) |
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| 11:55.58 | rozie | run logrotate manually in verbose mode (if any) |
| 11:56.06 | rozie | see what's wrong |
| 11:56.17 | rozie | (and pastebin it) |
| 11:56.20 | bluesceada | manually means i should first stop the daemon or something? |
| 11:56.42 | bluesceada | sorry i dont know anything about the syslogging services... |
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| 11:56.55 | rozie | logrotate --help, man logrotate |
| 11:57.04 | Stava | I seem to have problems with my locale settings. I've tried doing locale-gen and dpkg-reconfigure locales but it doesnt seem to solve anything. These are the errors and output from various commands i've run http://pastie.org/2124336 |
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| 11:57.29 | rozie | last time used it like year ago, so don't expect I remember options ;) |
| 11:57.56 | bluesceada | okay then i need to do it another time, no time .. |
| 11:58.08 | bluesceada | but thanks for pointing it out, when i have time i will look into logrotate... |
| 11:58.58 | Stava | Oh it seems I dont have en_US.UTF-8 installed, generating it solved the problem. But I dont want to use en_US, I want to use en_GB, how do I change this? |
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| 11:59.22 | G0d-servant | were is "/etc/apt/preferences" file in squeeze? for kept back packages. |
| 11:59.41 | G0d-servant | do we creat it? |
| 11:59.52 | rozie | G0d-servant: create it |
| 12:01.06 | rozie | Stava: it should ask for default locale on reconfigure if more than one locale are generated |
| 12:01.16 | Stava | rozie, the default was en_GB |
| 12:01.35 | Stava | but it seems LC_MESSAGE is set to en_US somewhere |
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| 12:06.38 | Stava | Which package contains the mail program? |
| 12:06.56 | Stava | I want to use it with postfix |
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| 12:08.45 | TmRx | Hi! |
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| 12:09.09 | TmRx | i've a problem with the the imagemagick apache support |
| 12:09.15 | TmRx | http://fotos.dyndns-work.com/error.log |
| 12:09.25 | TmRx | i've installed all packages with apt-get ;) |
| 12:09.37 | TmRx | *** glibc detected *** /usr/sbin/apache2: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0xb9f021e8 *** |
| 12:10.20 | rhend15 | oo sorry, |
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| 12:11.09 | wols | !tell Stava about search |
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| 12:11.36 | Stava | wols, I did search, but mail is a very generic term |
| 12:11.39 | Stava | or common |
| 12:11.50 | jelly-home | Stava: mailutils or bsd-mailx |
| 12:11.59 | Stava | jelly-home, thanks |
| 12:12.20 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/mail.* |
| 12:12.23 | judd | bin/mail.* in squeeze/i386: mailutils: usr/bin/mail.mailutils; sendmail-bin: usr/lib/sm.bin/mail.local; yaws-mail: usr/lib/yaws/mail/ebin/mail.beam |
| 12:12.33 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/*mailx |
| 12:12.37 | judd | bin/*mailx in squeeze/i386: heirloom-mailx: usr/bin/heirloom-mailx; bsd-mailx: usr/bin/bsd-mailx |
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| 12:13.05 | jelly-home | it's nontrivial to find stuff provided by alternatives system |
| 12:13.26 | wols | Stava: then you search for "bin/mail" at least packages.debian.org can do this |
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| 12:13.40 | Stava | wols, I did not know that, thanks |
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| 12:19.26 | jelly-home | searching for bin/mail results in lots of crap tho |
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| 12:20.10 | jelly-home | apt-file search bin/mail|wc -l -> 101 |
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| 12:21.33 | biz | is there a way to aptitude update a specific repo only? (e.g. I have a local "deb file://... ./" in sources.list, writing this to a temp file for aptitude update -o Dir::Etc::SourceList=/tmp/foo works but I loose all index entries for my usual repos) |
| 12:22.57 | wols | you can update a specific program only with apt-get install <program> |
| 12:23.25 | jelly-home | biz: what's wrong with updating the rest? |
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| 12:24.16 | jelly-home | biz: why not put your repo in sources.list or sources.list.d/bizsuperpackages.list |
| 12:24.46 | biz | jelly-home: well I'm developing with lots of local packages and would like to skip hitting external repos (e.g. testing/sid/external..., which is slow) on every update |
| 12:25.17 | biz | that is, without losing their index entries from an earlier run ;) |
| 12:25.31 | jelly-home | you don't lose anything on aptitude update |
| 12:25.45 | jelly-home | unless it disappeared from the configured repos |
| 12:26.08 | biz | that's what happens when setting Dir::Etc::SourceList, no? |
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| 12:26.18 | jelly-home | so don't do that |
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| 12:27.16 | biz | then I don't see how I could update only one specific repo while keeping other configured |
| 12:27.16 | jelly-home | you could give apt a proxy to use that doesn't go on the internet all the time but returns cached stuff |
| 12:27.55 | biz | yeah, ok. I'll probbaly do that then. Too bad there's no simpler way :( |
| 12:28.03 | jelly-home | biz: you update them all; but apt doesn't download all that stuff anyway, it only downloads when there are changes |
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| 12:28.42 | TmRx | can no one help me here with my apache imagemagick issues ? |
| 12:28.47 | biz | yes, but that check is relatively slow if you have lot's of remote repos and some slow connection |
| 12:28.48 | jelly-home | I think there are maybe 4 pushes to mirrors a day; things don't change all the time |
| 12:28.55 | TmRx | all packets come from the debian ftp |
| 12:29.03 | jelly-home | biz: that is correct. |
| 12:29.30 | TmRx | *** glibc detected *** /usr/sbin/apache2: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0xb9f021e8 *** |
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| 12:33.02 | biz | jelly-home: thanks anyways :) |
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| 12:36.47 | biz | TmRx: well, what could we do about it? Find where it comes from, search for the bug or finally file a bug |
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| 12:41.05 | afterlife | hello |
| 12:41.34 | afterlife | anyone here familiar with getting a startssl cert working with apache? : ) |
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| 12:44.04 | jelly-home | biz: I don't think there is a bug. Maybe a wishlist bug for apt to do more requests to the same repo in parallel. |
| 12:44.21 | jelly-home | biz: oh, misread that, nevermind |
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| 12:51.54 | TmRx | i build it new myself or install an another distribution |
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| 12:58.13 | benutzer | hi there |
| 12:59.08 | benutzer | got squeeze + gnome + canon IP4600 printer and I can not start the cleaning of the printhead |
| 12:59.13 | benutzer | the button is simply deactivated |
| 12:59.18 | benutzer | how to enable it? |
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| 13:01.24 | jokar1 | hello all |
| 13:01.27 | jokar1 | o/ all |
| 13:01.38 | jokar1 | i have some problem witn debian 6 6abit |
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| 13:01.49 | jokar1 | 64bit |
| 13:02.00 | jokar1 | i have 4GB ram but debian detect 3GB? |
| 13:02.17 | wols | jokar1: amd cpu? |
| 13:02.20 | benutzer | maybe shared ram with the graphic card? |
| 13:02.29 | jokar1 | no intel cpu |
| 13:02.36 | afterlife | maybe not seated properly? |
| 13:02.37 | Flash_ | we had that yesterday jokar1, in that case the "memory hole" needed toggling in bios |
| 13:02.37 | jokar1 | my vga is 512 |
| 13:02.43 | wols | how much memory does your BIOS detect? |
| 13:02.47 | abrotman | !tell jokar1 about bigmem |
| 13:03.08 | Wyzard | jokar1: That's normal if you're using a 32-bit kernel, I believe |
| 13:03.19 | Flash_ | bigmem should give 3.5g though? |
| 13:03.22 | Flash_ | er, non-bigmem |
| 13:03.39 | wols | Flash_: depends on the amount of video memory mainly |
| 13:03.39 | Wyzard | The amount of memory you "lose" depends on the system -- sometimes it's 250MB, sometimes it's 512, sometimes a whole gigabyte |
| 13:03.41 | jokar1 | 4GB |
| 13:03.46 | jokar1 | bios detect 4GB |
| 13:03.52 | Wyzard | err, 256MB |
| 13:03.57 | afterlife | uname -a ? |
| 13:04.10 | Flash_ | a bigmem kernel is essential anyway, so certainly start there |
| 13:04.25 | jokar1 | i think i must enable PAE in kernel |
| 13:04.26 | wols | Flash_: not essential. depends on which arch he is |
| 13:04.30 | jokar1 | is it true? |
| 13:04.39 | Wyzard | jokar1: That's what the bigmem kernel is |
| 13:04.43 | wols | jokar1: answer the questions posed to you |
| 13:04.44 | Flash_ | assuming 32bit and i386 |
| 13:04.53 | Flash_ | most people say if they're running 64 :) |
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| 13:05.01 | jokar1 | i use debian 64 bit |
| 13:05.10 | Flash_ | heh, ok, |
| 13:05.15 | Wyzard | then PAE isn't applicable |
| 13:05.16 | jokar1 | wols |
| 13:05.22 | jokar1 | i use intel cpu |
| 13:05.22 | Flash_ | ignore everything about bigmen, jokar1 |
| 13:05.24 | Wyzard | and you should be seeing your full 4GB |
| 13:05.25 | wols | jokar1: that was no answer to the question |
| 13:05.40 | jokar1 | can you telll it again? |
| 13:05.44 | Flash_ | jokar1, then see my first post about memory hole settings in bios, or bios allocation to graphics |
| 13:05.46 | jokar1 | it is busy |
| 13:05.49 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.57 | jokar1 | no |
| 13:06.07 | abrotman | jokar1: show us 'uname -a' |
| 13:06.07 | jokar1 | my graphic card not use memory |
| 13:06.18 | afterlife | ...thats what i meant hehe |
| 13:06.19 | afterlife | sorry |
| 13:06.19 | Flash_ | and the memory hole <sigh> |
| 13:06.35 | jokar1 | excuse me i'm not at home and now i use windows |
| 13:06.48 | abrotman | going to make it pretty hard to test anything .. |
| 13:06.51 | wols | then come back and ask when you are running debian again |
| 13:06.51 | jokar1 | i use uname -a and tomorrow show you put put |
| 13:07.15 | jokar1 | ok |
| 13:07.59 | jokar1 | if i use uname -a what is show me? |
| 13:08.15 | wols | information about your kernel |
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| 13:08.32 | jokar1 | my kernel is 2.6.3Xamd64 |
| 13:08.46 | wols | we need more specific info |
| 13:08.47 | jokar1 | i use amd64 kernel |
| 13:08.52 | jokar1 | aha |
| 13:09.10 | jokar1 | ok |
| 13:09.19 | abrotman | jokar1: really, please come back when you're on your computer, we need information you cannot provide to us now |
| 13:09.25 | jokar1 | i execute this command and show my output |
| 13:09.36 | jokar1 | ok |
| 13:09.38 | jokar1 | thanks |
| 13:09.47 | jokar1 | excuse me |
| 13:09.53 | afterlife | np |
| 13:09.56 | jokar1 | i want downloading all 6 dvd |
| 13:10.08 | abrotman | jokar1: really, please come back when you're on your computer, we need information you cannot provide to us now |
| 13:10.21 | jokar1 | yeah i understand |
| 13:10.31 | Wyzard | You probably don't need to download all the DVDs |
| 13:10.38 | jokar1 | why? |
| 13:10.51 | Wyzard | because apt can download packages when it needs them |
| 13:10.55 | afterlife | unless you have a *Terrible* network connection its faster to get them off the net : ) |
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| 13:11.10 | jokar1 | i early days i use fedora and now i use debian |
| 13:11.16 | afterlife | and you wont end up with cd's full of packages you never need |
| 13:11.18 | jokar1 | with fedora i have many problem |
| 13:11.25 | Wyzard | You only need the full DVD set if you want to be able to install packages without needing an Internet connection later |
| 13:11.40 | jokar1 | no i have not internet |
| 13:11.46 | afterlife | ah |
| 13:11.49 | jokar1 | because i want download all package |
| 13:12.03 | jokar1 | fedora need internet for downloading package |
| 13:12.16 | jokar1 | and i can't find fedora package dvd |
| 13:12.17 | ompaul | !enter |
| 13:12.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:12.52 | ompaul | jokar1: if you want all the debian dvds you need to look to you nearest mirror - we don't talk about fedora here they have their own channel |
| 13:13.07 | jokar1 | yeah |
| 13:13.09 | jokar1 | ;) |
| 13:13.23 | jokar1 | i migration to the debian from fedora |
| 13:13.25 | drwrr | jokar1, since you're having trouble with debian, might be a good idea to take that machine to somewhere you do have internet. should make a lot of stuff easier |
| 13:13.40 | jokar1 | yes |
| 13:13.46 | jokar1 | i love deb |
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| 13:13.54 | abrotman | please lay off your enter key |
| 13:14.44 | afterlife | any of you chaps set up SSL on LAMP ? |
| 13:14.56 | abrotman | lots of people .. |
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| 13:15.11 | DaQ^ | no you are the first one |
| 13:15.14 | afterlife | im having a heck of a time getting my startssl cert to work |
| 13:15.39 | abrotman | are you writing your own conf instead of the one that's included in the package? |
| 13:15.46 | afterlife | i can get self signed certs to work but cant seem to get my startssl one to work, their guide is pretty poor |
| 13:15.55 | wols | afterlife: we already know that. tell us something we don't know. something useful that allows people to give advice that might help solve the problem |
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| 13:16.44 | afterlife | well, wols, when your not entirely sure what the problem is its hard to know where to start:) |
| 13:17.00 | afterlife | pastebin of my error might be a good place to! |
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| 13:18.49 | afterlife | http://pastebin.com/XMVQM1CR |
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| 13:21.13 | ompaul | afterlife: don't know if this helps but have a look http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22493 |
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| 13:22.51 | afterlife | ah, yes thanks but ive seen that website, i think the issue may be that im getting my files mixed up |
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| 13:23.22 | afterlife | ive been using: http://www.startssl.com/?app=21 as a guide and placed it in my /etc/apache2/sites-availible/testsite file |
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| 13:24.05 | abrotman | did you look in /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-ssl/ ? |
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| 13:24.45 | afterlife | I dont have that dir |
| 13:24.54 | afterlife | although i was *sure* i had everything i needed |
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| 13:25.19 | afterlife | perhaps not |
| 13:25.25 | abrotman | did you compile apache ? |
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| 13:25.52 | afterlife | I didn't compile it I grabbed it from a mirror, i.e. apt-get install |
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| 13:27.21 | afterlife | I had to actually combine the private key and cert by hand as what I got from startssl was two seperate files |
| 13:28.00 | afterlife | my self-signed cert works fine so I'm wondering if its a problem with the cert itself |
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| 13:30.08 | abrotman | so did you install the libapache2-mod-ssl package? |
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| 13:30.59 | afterlife | what is the command to show installed packages sorry? |
| 13:31.01 | afterlife | im new to debian |
| 13:31.14 | abrotman | afterlife: dpkg -l "*apache*" |
| 13:31.18 | afterlife | thanks |
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| 13:32.16 | xiaoy | Is there a way to configure epiphany to go faster, like in FF going insyade about:config? |
| 13:32.20 | xiaoy | *inside |
| 13:32.34 | afterlife | its not installed actually :/ |
| 13:33.07 | themill | xiaoy: yes, there's a special "go_faster_damn_you = true" key that you can put in the config file. |
| 13:33.09 | abrotman | afterlife: bleh, ignore me, they compiled it into the main package now |
| 13:33.23 | afterlife | ah, whew, was wondering why apt-cache search wasnt turning itup |
| 13:33.32 | afterlife | thought perhaps it didnt exist for sparc |
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| 13:33.36 | xiaoy | themill, -_- |
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| 13:38.49 | afterlife | ah! fixed it! |
| 13:39.07 | afterlife | it was a mismatch on my part,but talking it out here really helped me so thanks guys!! |
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| 13:43.36 | ampharos | Anyone using the 2.6.38 backport kernel for squeeze? |
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| 13:45.37 | wols | ampharos: state your problem |
| 13:45.42 | ampharos | none |
| 13:46.12 | abrotman | then why are you asking? |
| 13:46.13 | ampharos | i just wanna see if it's working for anyone else before I install it |
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| 13:47.45 | wols | ampharos: when you install it, it's additionally installed. you will still keep your old squeeze kernel. if it doesn't work for you, you can uninstall it again |
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| 13:50.34 | ampharos | sounds good |
| 13:50.40 | ampharos | will allocate some disk space |
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| 13:53.06 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am on debian squeeze, and I see a blank screen and right click doesn't work. I googled and found out that it is related to xfce4-desktop. Umm what should I be doing to get back my screen :) |
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| 13:56.16 | wols | arvind_khadri: googled where? link? |
| 13:57.24 | arvind_khadri | wols, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50909 |
| 13:59.05 | wols | !info xfce-desktop |
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| 13:59.23 | wols | ,info xfce-desktop |
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| 13:59.24 | judd | No record of package 'xfce-desktop' in squeeze/i386. |
| 14:01.49 | arvind_khadri | wols, apparently I can see xfce4-desktop in Session and Startup. I am facing this problem after connecting to a projector |
| 14:02.31 | wols | the link you gave talks about xfdesktop4 package, not xfce4-desktop (my brain is apparently muddled) |
| 14:03.39 | gnugr | !xfce |
| 14:03.39 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bdo>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:03.44 | arvind_khadri | wols, Ya. thanks. I misread. am sorry. |
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| 14:04.50 | Tectu | can anyone help me installing Java under Wheezy? I am not really sure which packages i need now... |
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| 14:06.58 | gnugr | !tell Tectu -about install java |
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| 14:07.55 | thm | hi. I am using git-buildpackage with --git-pbuilder, and it leaves .obsolete. directories around in build-area. |
| 14:07.58 | thm | can I tell it to remove them automatically? |
| 14:08.24 | Tectu | gnugr: not working? ;-) |
| 14:08.40 | themill | thm: that's from previous builds; not that I know of |
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| 14:08.50 | abrotman | Tectu: in your browser? where doesn't java work ? |
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| 14:10.09 | Tectu | nope, i need it for local applications, abrotman |
| 14:10.21 | abrotman | Tectu: aptitude search openjdk .. any results? |
| 14:11.06 | Tectu | abrotman: jep: http://pastebin.com/DYbpFu4V |
| 14:11.37 | Tectu | i am not sure: should i use the .rpm from the java homepage or aptitude to install? |
| 14:11.45 | abrotman | so you want either the jre or the jdk package usually |
| 14:12.10 | themill | Tectu: you should take the debian package; aptitude install openjdk-6-jre |
| 14:13.11 | Tectu | okay, i'll try that, thank you themill and abrotman |
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| 14:13.59 | Tectu | abrotman: the difference is that jre ist just the runtime envir and jdk the development envir, right? |
| 14:14.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:14.20 | Tectu | okay, thanks |
| 14:14.30 | thm | themill: I thought there would be some --clean option |
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| 14:14.45 | ampharos | so far the new kernel version works |
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| 14:14.58 | ampharos | the only problem is alsa and the kernel choking on my sound card |
| 14:14.59 | themill | thm: not that I know of. Generally I just leave them there until I get bored and then delete a pile of them at once |
| 14:15.14 | ampharos | it works, but it doesn't think the thing exists or has firmware on disk it needs, when it does |
| 14:16.10 | brokenpelvis | what is the button to take a screen shot so i can post it into gimp so ican then ask how to escape a screen in termianl |
| 14:16.14 | ampharos | sound still works, so I have no idea why it's choking on it's on vomit |
| 14:16.51 | brokenpelvis | here, how do I get past this? No key works . http://codepad.org/LIqqzY0m |
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| 14:17.25 | thm | themill: ok. I've got another q: I want to rebuild a package locally with a change that includes unpacking a new plugin to the package. how'd you do that? |
| 14:17.44 | jokar | hey all |
| 14:17.51 | jokar | i want backup my debian 6 |
| 14:17.57 | jokar | can i use dd command? |
| 14:18.05 | brokenpelvis | make this MAN STOP INTERRUPTING my aptitude installs! http://codepad.org/LIqqzY0m nothing will escape terminal |
| 14:18.10 | themill | thm: it depends on the package and exactly how it's set up; "/msg dpkg package recompile" for a general guide |
| 14:18.22 | jokar | o/ all |
| 14:18.32 | themill | brokenpelvis: what's your actual question? |
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| 14:18.44 | themill | brokenpelvis: it's less; hit q |
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| 14:18.58 | brokenpelvis | read whats in the link. how do i escape this note ? |
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| 14:19.07 | abrotman | brokenpelvis: he told you, hit 'q' |
| 14:19.09 | jokar | if i usee dd command in debian can dd copy all file? |
| 14:19.21 | brokenpelvis | what the. q. i never thought of that. i tried every key but hat one :( |
| 14:19.31 | abrotman | q, for quit |
| 14:19.39 | jokar | or i must quit from debian and then use dd command? |
| 14:19.56 | thm | themill: that doesn't match what I have in mind. the package in question uses svn for ./debian, and I already managed to use git-svn, and git-buildpackage to rebuild it. |
| 14:19.57 | ampharos | less and man use q; brokenpelvis |
| 14:20.06 | ampharos | those cli utils use q. |
| 14:20.09 | thm | themill: the question is where to keep the changes |
| 14:20.33 | thm | themill: I'd prefer a topic branch somewhere to minimize work in case the debian package itself is updated. |
| 14:21.59 | thm | themill: as the branch containing ./debian is overlayed on the unpacked source I could keep my stuff in there? |
| 14:22.07 | gnugr | jokar: try " man dd " |
| 14:22.19 | nsadmin | more correctly... IF less is installed, man uses less otherwise more. more might use q but also uses other keys (man more), while you can't get out of less without q |
| 14:22.25 | jokar | i can work with dd |
| 14:22.41 | jokar | but for create backup i must quit from debian? |
| 14:22.53 | jokar | dd can be copy all file if i run debian? |
| 14:22.57 | nsadmin | backup of the whole installation? |
| 14:23.15 | jokar | yes |
| 14:24.02 | jokar | i use dd in another linux distro but dd can't copy all file and my backup is damage |
| 14:24.18 | nsadmin | you should go into single-user mode before backing up; if you're not, the filesystem can change (logs, daemons, etc) |
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| 14:24.46 | jokar | how go into single-user mode? |
| 14:24.48 | nsadmin | I use tar instead of dd |
| 14:25.16 | gnugr | jokar: see away for backup " http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7434 " |
| 14:25.20 | jokar | if i have 30GB partition and use dd i must have 30GB free space? |
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| 14:25.53 | jokar | i have a partition with 30GB space and debian only use 10GB |
| 14:26.08 | jokar | if i use dd command i must have 30GB free space |
| 14:26.10 | nsadmin | in the form (cd mountpoint; tar cfpl - .) | (cd emptypartitionmountpt; tar xfp -) |
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| 14:26.23 | luisgbp11 | Hola |
| 14:26.25 | dvs | !wayttd jokar |
| 14:26.25 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jokar? |
| 14:26.43 | jokar | i want make a backup from my debian |
| 14:26.44 | luisgbp11 | Hablan spanish??? |
| 14:26.53 | nsadmin | !es |
| 14:26.53 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 14:27.08 | luisgbp11 | Ok |
| 14:27.15 | luisgbp11 | pero solo hablo español |
| 14:27.19 | luisgbp11 | y esoty baneado |
| 14:27.21 | luisgbp11 | en |
| 14:27.22 | luisgbp11 | bebian-es |
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| 14:27.45 | jokar | ? |
| 14:27.55 | tani_tani_pra | hi there, i have a backup file , which i`ve been told that there are 3 different filesystems (wrapped into each other) . is there a way to scan the file and get the list of filesystems ? |
| 14:28.14 | tani_tani_pra | and possibly the hex possition where that filesystem beggins ? |
| 14:29.02 | nsadmin | what is the name of the file, what program produced it |
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| 14:29.13 | tani_tani_pra | i dont know |
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| 14:29.26 | nsadmin | then I don't either |
| 14:29.28 | tani_tani_pra | the extension is fw and the file file.fw just says data |
| 14:29.48 | smacnay | How do I 'restart' my usb subsystem after it produces an error reading a memory card and quits reading new ones? |
| 14:29.53 | nsadmin | not sure what a .fw is |
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| 14:30.09 | themill | thm: yes, that approach sounds quite fine. You need to perform the modifications described by dpkg within your VCS branches. |
| 14:30.49 | jokar | hey all |
| 14:30.54 | tani_tani_pra | nsadmin: but is there a tool (maybe system builders tool) that scan a file searching for different filesystem headers ? |
| 14:31.07 | nsadmin | tani_tani_pra, go back to the person who made the file and find out what made it |
| 14:31.15 | jokar | if i use ubuntu 8.10 and se dd command can i make a backup |
| 14:31.22 | wols | jokar: use clonezilla |
| 14:31.25 | tani_tani_pra | gimme a sec |
| 14:31.41 | jokar | ubuntu 8.10 don't support ext4 |
| 14:31.50 | jokar | my partition is ext4 |
| 14:31.59 | themill | jokar: does dd care? |
| 14:32.06 | ompaul | jokar: dd does not care |
| 14:32.06 | jokar | why? |
| 14:32.19 | abrotman | why what? |
| 14:32.24 | themill | makes jokar think about that question some more |
| 14:32.49 | ompaul | who why when what dd has yourfiles and cares about your filesystem not! |
| 14:33.00 | jokar | hey,i can work with dd but if ubuntu not support ext4 can i use dd command for backup? |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | jokar: try it and see |
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| 14:33.27 | nsadmin | whatever you use for backup... |
| 14:33.35 | nsadmin | make SURE you know how to restore |
| 14:34.12 | tani_tani_pra | nsadmin : its a firmware |
| 14:34.17 | ompaul | jokar: you have been told three times that dd does not care - use the debian to be the target ... and off machine backups using rsync tend to be better |
| 14:34.42 | ompaul | jokar: keeping all your data on one box and not having external data is asking for a problem some day |
| 14:35.21 | tani_tani_pra | arm is the chipset and is divided in 3 partitions : bootloader firmware config files |
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| 14:36.50 | dashs | update-notifier handed me 106 updates this AM -- then went into loop. Wassup? |
| 14:37.17 | jokar | thanks all |
| 14:37.18 | jokar | bye |
| 14:38.13 | ampharos | dashs, i got plenty of updates yesterday, worked fine installing them all with synaptic |
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| 14:38.45 | dashs | ampharos: ok, thanx |
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| 14:39.17 | ampharos | i use squeeze though, might be why |
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| 14:45.28 | henke | Hi, does anyone have experience with 3g modems and wvdial ? |
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| 14:46.12 | dvs | !anyone |
| 14:46.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 14:46.54 | avernos | how can i install latest wine? i cant find repos |
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| 14:47.26 | abrotman | avernos: ask #winehq |
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| 14:47.39 | avernos | oks, ty |
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| 14:53.57 | foobar86 | Hi. I use dual monitors and there is this annoying problem -- all of a sudden the mouse pointer disappears on the primary monitor. |
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| 14:54.03 | foobar86 | How do I fix/ diagnose this? |
| 14:54.18 | foobar86 | (On Squeeze here) |
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| 15:20.20 | jkyle | in the debian apache install, a file called "envvars" is created. Is it "safe" for me to use this file to set some of my own variables for use in the config files? |
| 15:21.00 | abrotman | should be |
| 15:21.57 | jkyle | actually, I might create a "myvars" and source that. . . just in case the main file gets inadvertantly overwritten in an update or something |
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| 15:26.53 | jenev | hey |
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| 15:27.17 | jkyle | what scripting language is used for sourcing envvars? |
| 15:27.46 | abrotman | it's shell |
| 15:28.09 | jkyle | you mean, "its" shell? as in apache has its own shell? |
| 15:28.46 | jenev | i have a harddrive that i used in a mac computer, i am using debian and i want to retreive some files from that drive but debian tells me that i don't own the files, so i can't get get them |
| 15:28.50 | nsadmin | he probably means "it is shell" |
| 15:28.51 | jenev | can anyone help |
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| 15:28.55 | jkyle | or it is shell as in /bin/sh |
| 15:29.02 | themill | jkyle: no, "it's shell" as in "it is shell (/bin/sh)" |
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| 15:29.22 | jenev | p.s. i won't be using that drive in the mac again so i intend on eraesing it after retreiving the files |
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| 15:33.04 | menlo | Hi all! Have a few questions. 1) When I use a broser and direct to https instead of http the browser claims that the certs are not matching... am I supposed to import updates to recognize eal and recent certs? (is this the same thing as importing revocation lists?) |
| 15:33.05 | macrobat | jkyle: the environment is the variables and their state. you can do it in whatever shell |
| 15:33.35 | menlo | eal=real |
| 15:33.46 | calculon | debian project need help? |
| 15:33.47 | cylinc | iceweale only can connect to the https links ,all http link failed with untitle tab, what a funny, but how to solve it |
| 15:34.10 | calculon | what can i do make it better? =) |
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| 15:34.41 | menlo | @calculon does this problem happen on another browser on that same machine? |
| 15:34.46 | claw | how to load a module when booting ( i normally load it with "insmod" but how to do that automatic )? |
| 15:34.52 | calculon | no problems |
| 15:34.57 | calculon | I am happy |
| 15:35.01 | macrobat | menlo: wrong nick :D |
| 15:35.02 | sobczyk | hi, what can I use to host small intra-company deb repository? |
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| 15:35.06 | calculon | it working fine |
| 15:35.24 | claw | sobczyk apt-cache |
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| 15:35.43 | sobczyk | claw: not mirror |
| 15:35.53 | sobczyk | custom packages |
| 15:36.22 | menlo | @cylinc does this problem happen on another browser on that same machine? |
| 15:36.36 | foobar86 | Hi. I use dual monitors and there is this annoying problem -- all of a sudden the mouse pointer disappears on the primary monitor. How do I fix this? |
| 15:36.38 | calculon | are you need help or not? Or I better relax and close my mouth? =) |
| 15:37.09 | calculon | Just nothing to do |
| 15:37.11 | calculon | =) |
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| 15:38.09 | calculon | ok i am quiting |
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| 15:45.50 | Delf | how many failover servers can be specified in the isc-dhcp-server conf? |
| 15:45.54 | cga | hi all, how can i log iptables to its own logfile w/ rsyslog.d on lenny? |
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| 15:48.33 | cylinc | menlo, no, chromium work fine |
| 15:49.13 | cylinc | ftp connection is all right, but http |
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| 15:49.56 | wols | cylinc: check for proxies |
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| 15:51.03 | cylinc | wols, yes, i have autoproxy installed,but i have tried unistall or run iceweale -safe-mode,there were no difference |
| 15:52.05 | spal | when can we expect Iceweasel 4.0 in the testing version? |
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| 15:57.23 | abrotman | spal: you can have it now if you want |
| 15:57.27 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 15:57.29 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-7~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-7; sid: 3.5.19-2; wheezy: 3.5.19-2; experimental: 4.0.1-4 |
| 15:57.35 | abrotman | spal: see mozilla.debian.net |
| 15:57.44 | spal | okay |
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| 15:58.45 | spal | there is iceweasel version 6.0 too? what does it mean? I thought Iceweasel version changes as Firefox version changes. |
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| 16:00.13 | Ichigo | Can I install the 32-bit libraries for "libstdc++.so.6" on Debian somehow? |
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| 16:01.39 | valdyn_ | Ichigo: on which debian arch release? |
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| 16:02.55 | Ichigo | valdyn_, Squeeze |
| 16:03.00 | Ichigo | Oh, er |
| 16:03.03 | Ichigo | 64bit |
| 16:03.04 | valdyn_ | Ichigo: arch? |
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| 16:03.23 | Wyzard | Ichigo: Take a look at the ia32-libs package |
| 16:03.27 | valdyn_ | Ichigo: lib32stdc++6 |
| 16:03.38 | valdyn_ | Wyzard: thats not it |
| 16:03.48 | Wyzard | It depends on lib32stdc++6 and others |
| 16:03.50 | tesla_dv | Looking for assistance. My superblocks have been wiped on all three disks in a raid 5 mdadm array. IS there any chance of recovering the data, about to cry... |
| 16:04.01 | Wyzard | better to install the whole bundle than to install them piecemeal |
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| 16:04.08 | Ichigo | valdyn_, Thank you :) |
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| 16:04.19 | Wyzard | tesla_dv: You could recreate the array using --assume-clean |
| 16:04.24 | valdyn_ | ah, indeed |
| 16:04.47 | tesla_dv | would you use that option when building? |
| 16:04.52 | LOkilL0 | ./server irc.nl.project-apollo.co.uk and /join #VC-STK.Server |
| 16:05.03 | LOkilL0 | ./server irc.nl.project-apollo.co.uk and /join #VC-STK.Server |
| 16:05.13 | Wyzard | tesla_dv: I've done it once successfully, but there's no guarantee it'll work -- depends on the nature of the damage |
| 16:05.46 | tesla_dv | Wyzard, this would be done in the build command right? |
| 16:06.00 | tesla_dv | I was mucking around with a freebsd device and it wiped superblocks on all disks |
| 16:06.03 | Wyzard | --create, not --build |
| 16:06.18 | simonlnu | someone kill LOkilL0 please? |
| 16:06.19 | valdyn_ | tesla_dv: question is if you know the disk order |
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| 16:06.31 | tesla_dv | I believe I do :) |
| 16:06.41 | simonlnu | \o/ thank you |
| 16:06.46 | Wyzard | since your old array presumably had RAID superblocks, and you need the new one to be in exactly the same format if you want the contents to match up |
| 16:07.05 | tesla_dv | ok... |
| 16:07.34 | Wyzard | (I'm assuming that when you say "wiped the superblocks", you mean mdadm's RAID superblocks, not filesystem superblocks on an array with no RAID superblocks) |
| 16:08.01 | tesla_dv | I believe so |
| 16:08.03 | valdyn_ | i wonder how freebsd would manage to overwrite *just* the raid superblocks |
| 16:08.03 | Wyzard | Linux RAID arrays without persistent superblocks (mdadm --build style) are archaic |
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| 16:08.52 | Wyzard | If freebsd created filesystems on those disks, you probably have some of your filesystem structures overwritten with freebsd's UFS structures too |
| 16:09.18 | tesla_dv | It shouldn't have |
| 16:09.22 | valdyn_ | doesnt mdadm create its superblock at the end of the device? |
| 16:09.49 | Wyzard | depends on the metadata version |
| 16:09.59 | Wyzard | man mdadm, see the --metadata option |
| 16:10.06 | tesla_dv | I was installing pfsense and had a 2.5 drive attached to the IDE of my server, accidentally clicked automated and in ran through and screwed everything. |
| 16:10.36 | tesla_dv | put only put data on the first disk but put boot blocks on all |
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| 16:10.44 | tesla_dv | all 9 disks that is :X |
| 16:11.16 | Wyzard | Do you know what metadata version you were using previously? |
| 16:11.25 | Wyzard | You probably need to use the same version for the newly-created array to match the old one |
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| 16:11.53 | tesla_dv | ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=476025f5:cebfe73a:0d4a5229:577d2c42 name=prime:0 |
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| 16:11.59 | Wyzard | ok, good |
| 16:12.04 | tesla_dv | the odd thing is that's still present in my mdadm.conf file |
| 16:12.22 | Wyzard | That's not surprising |
| 16:12.32 | tesla_dv | so i've created the array, and it appears to be be built |
| 16:12.38 | tesla_dv | but it wont let me mount it |
| 16:12.54 | Wyzard | What does it say if you run "file -s" on the array? |
| 16:13.02 | tesla_dv | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.03 | kzar | I'm trying to set up pureftpd, I want to use only virtual users. I've edited the /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common to use chroot and standalone mode. I've created ftpuser and ftpgroup, I've added a virtual user and it's directory. Problem is when I try and FTP in auth.log always says the user is unknown. |
| 16:13.17 | tesla_dv | so it looks like its created at least.... |
| 16:13.19 | kzar | (I've updated the password database too) |
| 16:14.09 | cylinc | the iceweasel cann't connect to http link. i unistall the autoproxy, but it still cann't conncet to http until i choose the proxy to be "Manual proxy configuration" in the "connection settings" in iceweasel |
| 16:15.52 | tesla_dv | Wyzard: So I try to mount the array and it says i must specify filesystem |
| 16:15.59 | tesla_dv | it means everything got wiped right :( |
| 16:16.25 | valdyn_ | tesla_dv: or it means you assembled in the wrong order |
| 16:16.42 | tesla_dv | can i try to reassemble it then? |
| 16:16.50 | tesla_dv | in different orders? |
| 16:16.56 | Wyzard | recreate it with the drives in different order |
| 16:16.57 | valdyn_ | tesla_dv: if you didnt write to it.. |
| 16:17.08 | tesla_dv | i used the assume-clean option... |
| 16:17.09 | Wyzard | still using --assume-clean |
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| 16:17.55 | Wyzard | You can recreate it as many times as you need with different configurations -- as long as you use --assume-clean and keep the same metadata version (1.2), it shouldn't damage anything worse than it already is |
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| 16:18.06 | Wyzard | It'll only overwrite the superblocks in the place where they used to be |
| 16:18.36 | tesla_dv | after creating it I should be able to mount it right? or do i need to assemble also? |
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| 16:19.16 | spal | I've installed Firefox 5.0 from the getfirefox.com website. Now, I want that whenever I click any link Pidgin or XChat it should open in Firefox, how can i do that? |
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| 16:20.01 | Wyzard | Creating it assembles it automatically -- that's why you get the entry in /proc/mdstat |
| 16:20.13 | Wyzard | After that you can *read* from it, at the sector level |
| 16:20.26 | Wyzard | Whether you can *mount* it depends on whether it contains an intact, recognizable filesystem |
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| 16:20.42 | Wyzard | What filesystem were you using in the array? |
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| 16:21.18 | tesla_dv | ext4 |
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| 16:21.51 | tesla_dv | i should have the disks in the correct order i think im SOL, 4tb of data gone |
| 16:22.09 | Wyzard | If you think you've created the array with the drives in the right order, you can use mke2fs with the -n option, so it pretends to create a filesystem but doesn't actually change anything |
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| 16:22.27 | Wyzard | That should should show you some numbers where it would've put backup superblocks |
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| 16:22.40 | Wyzard | Try those numbers with e2fsk's -b option; there may be intact backup superblocks from the old filesystem |
| 16:23.16 | Wyzard | This'll only work if you've created the array with the drives in the right order; otherwise the stripes are all jumbled around |
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| 16:23.31 | Wyzard | and I'd recommend using e2fsck's -n option at least initially |
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| 16:24.43 | Wyzard | err, mkfs.ext4, not mke2fs |
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| 16:25.03 | Wyzard | (though the backup superblock numbers should be the same anyway) |
| 16:25.08 | ikarus | don't call those directly |
| 16:25.12 | ikarus | use mkfs -t ext4 |
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| 16:25.19 | tesla_dv | heh it prints a list of like 5 |
| 16:25.23 | tesla_dv | 15* |
| 16:25.41 | Wyzard | ikarus: mkfs.ext4 is the real program; mkfs is just a frontend that calls it for you |
| 16:25.50 | tesla_dv | calling directly is fine |
| 16:25.58 | Wyzard | I've used mkfs.ext4 lots of times and there's no difference as far as I can see |
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| 16:26.53 | Wyzard | tesla_dv: If you end up having to give up and create a new filesystem, it'd be prudent to write those numbers down on paper and keep it near the computer |
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| 16:27.27 | tesla_dv | i need a smoke, this is the reason I put this damn array in. |
| 16:27.32 | Wyzard | That way if you run into a recovery situation in the future, you *know* where your backup superblocks are, instead of having to use mkfs.ext4 -n and hope that it chooses the same locations for the new ones |
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| 16:29.16 | nodeps | It is possible to use centerim + tor? What should I do? I use tor + polipo |
| 16:29.30 | spal | I have downloaded Firefox 5.0 tarball from getfirefox.com and untarred in /opt/firefox |
| 16:29.39 | spal | Is this 32-bit firefox or 64-bit firefox? |
| 16:29.52 | wols | nodeps: yes it's possible. if centerim doesn't support SOCKS, you can still use proxychains to force it to use SOCKS |
| 16:30.08 | Wyzard | spal: I don't think Mozilla provides 64-bit Firefox builds |
| 16:30.10 | wols | spal: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 16:31.17 | wols | nodeps: anything using tcp can be used over tor |
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| 16:32.11 | nodeps | wols: What should I do? |
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| 16:32.13 | Wyzard | tesla_dv: If you can't get your filesystem back, take a look at the photorec package -- you may at least be able to recover some files |
| 16:32.23 | nodeps | I do not think anything on google |
| 16:32.48 | wols | nodeps: check if centerim supports SOCKS proxying |
| 16:32.54 | Wyzard | tesla_dv: oops, sorry, the package is testdisk |
| 16:33.12 | spal | wols: mozilla.debian.net provides iceweasel I believe, not Firefox. |
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| 16:33.30 | luisgbp11 | Hello |
| 16:33.38 | tesla_dv | if i can recover that would be ok |
| 16:33.49 | luisgbp11 | hablan spanish? |
| 16:33.58 | Wyzard | !es |
| 16:33.58 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 16:34.08 | luisgbp11 | Ok |
| 16:34.18 | Wyzard | tesla_dv: Actually, it looks like testdisk may be able to help with fixing your filesystem too |
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| 16:34.35 | Wyzard | but I'd try e2fsck with the backup superblocks first |
| 16:34.45 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:34.45 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 16:34.49 | abrotman | doh |
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| 16:35.17 | luisgbp11 | Hello qe speak? |
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| 16:35.53 | Talon_ | I'm running squeeze 64 bit, have been since it came out. last night I had updates, so I applied them, today I wake up, it says more updates but now my update manager freezes and consumes 100% cpu |
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| 16:36.32 | luisgbp11 | Talon_: :o |
| 16:36.47 | nodeps | wols: "proxy_connect" in ~ / .centerim / config - I believe that support, but do not know how to work |
| 16:37.08 | Flash_ | is there some apt magic to downgrade all packages from what's installed to what's newest in sources.list? |
| 16:37.19 | wols | nodeps: then you got to read docs |
| 16:37.37 | luisgbp11 | nodeps: qe used for this command? |
| 16:37.44 | luisgbp11 | ? |
| 16:38.11 | tesla_dv | Wyzard: if I'm using testdisk would i select the built array or one of the disks? |
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| 16:38.19 | jhutchins | !tell Flash_ about downgrade |
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| 16:38.22 | nodeps | luisgbp11: "qe" ? |
| 16:39.42 | Flash_ | looks like it's a reinstall then :/ |
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| 16:40.34 | wols | Talon_: use apt-get instead |
| 16:41.10 | Wyzard | tesla_dv: the built array |
| 16:41.42 | tesla_dv | Wyzard, the problem is when I built this array I used the actual disk, not the partion |
| 16:41.47 | Wyzard | tesla_dv: Individual disks of a striped array (any raid level other than 1) are unintelligible by themselves |
| 16:42.01 | Wyzard | That's OK as long as you did the same for the new one |
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| 16:43.28 | Wyzard | Was the original array created recently, or was it an old one? |
| 16:43.59 | tesla_dv | I created it prob a month ago |
| 16:44.04 | Wyzard | Oh, I see what you mean about using the whole disk -- that's why freebsd didn't recognize that the disk was in use |
| 16:44.07 | tesla_dv | or two.... |
| 16:44.13 | Wyzard | OK, that's recent enough |
| 16:44.24 | jhutchins | My iceweasel in lenny is being wierd about scrolling. Down arrow jumps all the way to the bottom of the page. |
| 16:44.36 | tesla_dv | the odd thing is that there is a raid 0 (second array) that is still in tact |
| 16:44.41 | Wyzard | I was going to suggest creating the array with --chunk=64 since that used to be the default and an old array might've had 64k chunks |
| 16:44.54 | jhutchins | Page Down jumps down a page, then right back to where it was. |
| 16:45.01 | tesla_dv | i used the default when i created it, so it should be the same |
| 16:45.18 | tesla_dv | Oh, I got where you're going. |
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| 16:46.12 | tesla_dv | And from reading about testdisk it looks like it may not care how the array was assembled, I'm curious about how this works on a raid5.... |
| 16:46.25 | Stava | How do I get information about a package and what it does? bind9-host for example |
| 16:46.40 | Wyzard | Stava: apt-cache show bind9-host |
| 16:46.45 | Stava | Wyzard, thanks |
| 16:47.53 | Wyzard | tesla_dv: It might just try various stripe sizes and arrangements until it finds one that seems to make sense |
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| 16:48.37 | tesla_dv | I knew I should have not touched that stupid pfsense/freebsd installer.... |
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| 16:48.57 | mark76 | Why can't I post attachments in the forum? |
| 16:49.29 | Wyzard | tesla_dv: Always use partitions for your RAID components |
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| 16:50.00 | Wyzard | mark76: what forum? |
| 16:50.23 | tesla_dv | Well what I did was create the array then the filesystem as ext4 with a root partition of / filling the entire array. |
| 16:50.40 | mark76 | Yours |
| 16:50.51 | mark76 | debian users |
| 16:50.53 | Wyzard | For the contents of the array, that's fine (though I'd suggest using LVM) |
| 16:51.05 | mark76 | http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 16:51.15 | Wyzard | but for safety the components of the array should be partitions rather than whole disks |
| 16:51.35 | Wyzard | hmm, I didn't know Debian had a web-based forum too |
| 16:51.37 | tesla_dv | it was initially supposed to be an encrypted LVM using LUKS, but wanted to simply the first run |
| 16:52.06 | mark76 | What other kinds of forum are there? :-? |
| 16:52.19 | Wyzard | mark76: IRC and mailing lists |
| 16:52.28 | mark76 | They're web based |
| 16:52.47 | Wyzard | What, IRC and mailing lists? |
| 16:52.51 | Wyzard | No they're not |
| 16:52.57 | Wyzard | (though the mailing lists have archives on the web) |
| 16:52.59 | mark76 | They're on the web. |
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| 16:53.33 | mark76 | Anyway. Why does it keep telling me that whatever I try to attach is not allowed? |
| 16:54.04 | tesla_dv | Too large, strange extension, etc. What are you trying to upload? |
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| 16:54.53 | mark76 | A txt file of my syslog |
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| 16:55.15 | onebitxajax | hi to all |
| 16:55.22 | onebitxajax | i have this probelem |
| 16:55.24 | tesla_dv | And you don't want to use the [code] brackets to insert it directly into the forumn post? |
| 16:55.36 | mark76 | I've never used those |
| 16:55.38 | onebitxajax | every time i boot i must do dhclient eth0 to active my ethernet |
| 16:55.40 | onebitxajax | my? |
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| 16:56.15 | Wyzard | onebitxajax: What's in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:56.39 | tesla_dv | mark76: when entering your post there are buttons listed as [code][/code], put your data between those and it will make a scrollable text area in your post |
| 16:56.51 | mark76 | Your message contains too few characters. |
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| 16:57.26 | tesla_dv | [code]This is where you put the data.[/code] |
| 16:57.31 | mark76 | This stupid computer isn't even four years old |
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| 16:57.40 | mark76 | I tried and I got |
| 16:57.50 | mark76 | Your message contains too few characters. |
| 16:58.09 | onebitxajax | Wyzard: http://paste.ubuntu.com/633128/ |
| 16:58.12 | avernos | how can i find out what driver i have for my nvidia card? |
| 16:58.23 | wols | avernos: glxinfo |grep rend |
| 16:58.29 | wols | avernos: glxinfo |grep -i rend |
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| 16:59.02 | mark76 | Why can't I paste the text of my syslog file in the forum as code? |
| 16:59.03 | Wyzard | onebitxajax: It's configured for *both* DHCP and a static IP... that's not valid, but I guess the second one takes precedence over the first |
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| 16:59.10 | avernos | ty wols |
| 16:59.13 | mark76 | Why is everything against me? |
| 16:59.22 | avernos | is this nvidia driver : OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) IGDNG_M GEM 20091221 2009Q4 ? |
| 16:59.37 | wols | avernos: no. it's your internet (IGD) intel |
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| 16:59.54 | Wyzard | mark76: As a guess, you might need to have some text outside the [code] block too |
| 16:59.59 | wols | s/internet/internal/ |
| 16:59.59 | mark76 | I do |
| 17:00.14 | wols | avernos: you on squeeze? |
| 17:00.14 | mark76 | And it still won't let me paste it |
| 17:00.19 | delby | hi. i am setting up internet kiosk on old piii so i installed squeeze and during install only selected 'standard system utilities'. now i installed ratpoison without installing xorg first, so in effect i only have x11-common. how do i start ratpoison now? |
| 17:00.25 | onebitxajax | Wyzard: i this for this that i must restart the eth0? |
| 17:00.26 | tesla_dv | Just a normal post on the debian forum? |
| 17:00.27 | avernos | wols, yes, thats what i got from glxinfo |grep -i rend |
| 17:00.37 | wols | avernos: run "dmesg |grep switcheroo" |
| 17:00.59 | avernos | wols, yes i am in squeeze, looking forward to isntall nvidia driver... |
| 17:01.04 | wols | delby: do you want to use remote X or do you want to use X on that machine? |
| 17:01.17 | delby | wols: on that machine |
| 17:01.23 | wols | avernos: there might be a way to use either |
| 17:01.26 | avernos | wols, VGA switcheroo: detected DSM switching method \_SB_.PCI0.P0P2.PEGP handle ( no clue what that is ) |
| 17:01.30 | wols | delby: install xorg then |
| 17:01.32 | mark76 | I guess I'll just have to put up with my computer crashing all the time :( |
| 17:01.34 | Wyzard | onebitxajax: I don't quite understand that sentence, but you should kill the dhclient that you ran manually, then do "ifdown eth0" and then "ifup eth0" after removing the static stuff from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:01.56 | wols | avernos: it's good. you might be able to switch at will (but only when X is not running) to intel or nvidia |
| 17:02.10 | wols | avernos: but it involves some work |
| 17:02.50 | avernos | wols, no work no fun :D any howto that you know of? should i think that the nvidia is installed? or i do have to download from their site |
| 17:02.56 | delby | wols: i will, just so that i understand, in order to run any applications that need x i need to install xorg, their own dependencies are not enough? |
| 17:02.57 | wols | mark76: paste it in some pastebin and link to it |
| 17:03.11 | Wyzard | onebitxajax: If you're using a desktop with NetworkManager installed, you could also remove the eth0 entry entirely and let NM handle it |
| 17:03.36 | wols | delby: X programs can be run over the network with the X server far away. that's why there is no dependency to the X server from ratpoison |
| 17:03.51 | onebitxajax | Wyzard: i don't have netowek manager installaed :( |
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| 17:03.58 | delby | wols: i see. thanks. |
| 17:04.30 | Wyzard | onebitxajax: That's OK, you can just remove the static stuff from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:06.27 | onebitxajax | Wyzard: it's don't work either |
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| 17:07.22 | Wyzard | !doesn't work |
| 17:07.22 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 17:07.44 | onebitxajax | Wyzard: either without static things i must do dchclient th0 |
| 17:07.46 | onebitxajax | evry boot |
| 17:07.50 | onebitxajax | it's the same thing |
| 17:08.00 | Wyzard | What's the contents of your interfaces file now? |
| 17:08.22 | onebitxajax | i remove the static things |
| 17:08.30 | onebitxajax | in this moment |
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| 17:08.38 | onebitxajax | every boot i must do dhclient eth0 |
| 17:08.53 | onebitxajax | then put in et/resolv.con the nameserv of dns |
| 17:09.09 | tesla_dv | onbit*:is this an onboard NIC? |
| 17:09.22 | Wyzard | What lines do you still have for eth0 in the interfaces file? |
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| 17:10.59 | onebitxajax | auto lo |
| 17:10.59 | onebitxajax | iface lo inet loopback |
| 17:10.59 | onebitxajax | auto eth0 |
| 17:10.59 | onebitxajax | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 17:12.35 | laust | hi all, boot fails on my other computer, the first apparent error is "EXT4-fs error (device dm-0): ext4_iget:4997: inode #2: comm exe: bad extended attribute block 151587081. Does that mean my hard disk is defect? |
| 17:13.35 | mark76 | I had to go to the ubuntu room to find a pastebin :( |
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| 17:14.06 | dvs | mark76: /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:14.21 | Wyzard | laust: It means the filesystem is corrupted, but a defective disk isn't the only possible cause of that |
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| 17:15.29 | laust | Wyzard> thanks. This is strange for me because it's a RAID0 so I would have thought if one fails, the other one will work. Do you have an idea how i can fix it? |
| 17:15.37 | mark76 | I'm very upset about it Wyzard. The damned thing isn't even four years old |
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| 17:16.20 | dvs | laust: That's RAID 1, not 0 |
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| 17:17.24 | Wyzard | laust: raid0 doesn't provide any redundancy or failover |
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| 17:18.06 | Wyzard | mark76: I'm sorry if your computer's crashing, but you've given no info for me or anyone here to help you fix it -- you've just asked about posting things on a forum |
| 17:18.30 | mark76 | I know. I just wanted you to know that :-P |
| 17:18.31 | mark76 | :D |
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| 17:19.05 | laust | dvs, Wyzard > sorry, normally i chose the raid type where the disks are identical copies of each other, not the one where the two work as a bigger disk. But you make me doubt whether i set it correctly so i'll check |
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| 17:19.37 | Wyzard | laust: That's raid1, as dvs said |
| 17:20.13 | laust | sorry, i did this long ago and unfortunately i don't do it often (only when i break my computer) |
| 17:20.52 | Wyzard | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 17:20.55 | Wyzard | That'll tell yu what it is |
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| 17:21.45 | mark76 | All I know about it, Wyzard, is that when I boot up after the computer's been off for a while it crashes almost immediately I've got the desktop up and running and then it takes several attempts to get it running |
| 17:22.03 | mark76 | Beyond that I just haven't got the faintest idea why it hates me |
| 17:22.42 | Wyzard | That's not enough information to troubleshoot with... what crashes? specific error messages? |
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| 17:24.48 | mark76 | The computer crashes. Blank screen, can't use mouse or keyboard |
| 17:24.52 | muenchhausen | Does someone have experience with boot trouble? I ruled out a lot of stuff but am pretty much out of ideas |
| 17:25.18 | movl | muenchhausen: what boot trouble? |
| 17:25.19 | Wyzard | That sounds like it may be hardware-related, especially if it only happens when the computer has been off for a long time |
| 17:25.20 | mark76 | There are no error messages because there;s nothing to display them |
| 17:26.09 | mark76 | There's not even a ttyl |
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| 17:26.21 | dvs | mark76: Sounds like it could be a dead CMOS battery. |
| 17:26.23 | Wyzard | If you can reproduce it reliably (e.g. by turning the computer off for an hour and then turning it on), try booting to recovery mode (it's an option in the GRUB menu) instead of to the desktop, and see if that makes a difference |
| 17:26.27 | mark76 | Oh :( |
| 17:26.47 | Wyzard | dvs: How would a dead CMOS battery cause a running OS to crash? |
| 17:26.48 | mark76 | What do I do in recovery mode? |
| 17:27.00 | laust | Wyzard> i'm stuck at (initramfs), there's no /proc/mdstat. I've checked in the bios and i'm on RAID0. At install time i was sure i chose the other kind of raid though. Well i guess i'll have to re-install :-/ |
| 17:27.03 | Wyzard | Just see if the system crashes that way |
| 17:27.07 | mark76 | Oh right |
| 17:27.18 | dvs | Wyzard: Not retaining needed paramter settings? |
| 17:27.24 | mark76 | I'll try it after Top Gear |
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| 17:27.47 | Wyzard | dvs: The OS doesn't depend on BIOS settings once it's running |
| 17:27.49 | muenchhausen | movl: it fails to mount root with device not found |
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| 17:28.08 | movl | muenchhausen: what kernel? |
| 17:29.02 | Wyzard | laust: There's no /proc/mdstat because the array hasn't been assembled automatically when you're at that prompt |
| 17:29.16 | muenchhausen | movl: 2.6.32-5 |
| 17:29.18 | Wyzard | laust: You can assemble it manually (with mdadm --assemble and appropriate parameters) |
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| 17:30.52 | movl | muenchhausen: amd64 or i386? |
| 17:30.59 | muenchhausen | amd64 |
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| 17:31.29 | laust | Wyzard> Seems i have no mdadm either. |
| 17:32.35 | Wyzard | laust: hmm... it should be there if the system normally needs to assemble the array while booting, but if you're using BIOS fakeraid rather than Linux software raid, that may not be the case |
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| 17:32.54 | laust | Wyzard> yes it's a bios raid |
| 17:32.57 | movl | muenchhausen: and do you have RAID or soemthing unusual? |
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| 17:33.10 | movl | *something |
| 17:33.13 | Wyzard | laust: I don't have any experience with those, sorry |
| 17:34.02 | laust | Wyzard> it's ok, thanks for trying anyway :-) I didn't have much data, I think i'll redo correctly from scratch with a raid 1. |
| 17:34.07 | muenchhausen | movl: I had xen and raid but I'm now testing with a normal kernel and uninstalled mdadm (the system disk isn't part of the raid) |
| 17:34.22 | Wyzard | laust: I'd boot a liveCD and use it to run SMART self-tests on the drives |
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| 17:35.20 | movl | muenchhausen: I suspect it could be RAID-related |
| 17:35.33 | laust | Wyzard> i've seen somewhere in the raid controller bios that their status was ok |
| 17:35.35 | movl | let me know if it works for |
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| 17:36.18 | Wyzard | laust: That just means they're detected as present and responding to commands; I'm talking about a full SMART self-test, which is basically a bad-sector scan |
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| 17:37.05 | movl | muenchhausen: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/boot-problem-with-the-kernel-2-6-32-5-after-the-upgrade-from-lenny-to-squeeze-32bit-865342/ |
| 17:37.11 | movl | maybe this'll help |
| 17:38.05 | muenchhausen | movl: despite removing mdadm and the raid disks not being present (have to test with a laptop)? I'll try |
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| 17:38.44 | movl | muenchhausen: the kernel's config is stock or modified? |
| 17:38.49 | laust | Wyzard> ok i see. I'll give it a try, thanks |
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| 17:39.05 | muenchhausen | movl: I tried updating initramfs a couple of times. kernel config is stock. |
| 17:39.18 | muenchhausen | the problem looks the same |
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| 17:39.33 | Wyzard | laust: apt-get install smartmontools; smartctl -t long /dev/$whatever |
| 17:39.49 | Wyzard | laust: It'll tell you when it'll finish; after that time, smartctl -l selftest /dev/$whatever |
| 17:39.52 | movl | muenchhausen: open the config file for the kernel and check if all seemingly relevant bits are in. |
| 17:40.23 | Wyzard | You can use the drive while it's testing, but it'll make it take longer than the initial time estimate |
| 17:41.35 | muenchhausen | movl: if the kernel works for so many others, I don't know... However, the post gave me another lead I had missed: Target filesystem doesn,t have /sbin/init |
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| 17:42.02 | laust | Wyzard> can do that. Which livecd would you advice? |
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| 17:42.32 | movl | muenchhausen: as in ls /sbin lacks init ? o+O |
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| 17:43.01 | Wyzard | laust: Any should work; I tend to use either the debian-live rescue CD, or the latest Ubuntu or Fedora liveCD |
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| 17:43.48 | muenchhausen | movl: no, it's there, but it isn't found during boot.. but this is probably a consequence of root not being mounted |
| 17:44.04 | movl | muenchhausen: yeah |
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| 17:46.29 | laust | Wyzard> anyway i'm sure i was in raid1 before because the total space i had was the size of 1 disk. I must have made something wrong to end up with a raid 0 now. Even if both my disks are still ok, i have to reinstall anyway, or do you have some magic trick? |
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| 17:46.48 | muenchhausen | movl: possibly significant: it fails with: no such device |
| 17:47.33 | Wyzard | laust: It might be possible to fix it, but it'd take time and effort to figure out exactly what state your system's actually in right now; if you don't have anything important on the system yet, it'd be easier to just reinstall |
| 17:48.53 | laust | Wyzard> yes it's just an old server i got. I have just played a little with it so there's only apache & gallery with a few pictures i'll have to reupload. No big thing. |
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| 17:49.13 | laust | Wyzard> the question now is, do i put it back to raid 1 or keep raid 0. |
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| 17:49.53 | Stava | How can I (automatically) send the report from a clamav scan (clamdscan) by email (using mail/mailx (bsd-mailx))? |
| 17:49.56 | Wyzard | laust: What's more important, extra space or preventing data loss? |
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| 17:50.50 | movl | muenchhausen: let's see... |
| 17:51.53 | movl | muenchhausen: that is usually a message when trying to insert a module without a corresponding device |
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| 17:52.05 | movl | are other kernels working? |
| 17:52.53 | muenchhausen | movl: no kernel works, but I currently only have 2.6.32-5-xen available. 2.6.26-2 didn't work either though |
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| 17:54.06 | movl | muenchhausen: try something from testing |
| 17:54.12 | laust | Wyzard> i think i'll go for raid0. It's two 32GB scsi disks so it's quite small. I can backup data somewhere else. I don't really need hot spare as this is not a vital server, it's just for fun -> I can reinstall and restore the data |
| 17:54.14 | movl | as in another kernel |
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| 17:55.29 | laust | Wyzard> it's not like i'm running google or something and have only this server :-) |
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| 17:56.33 | Wyzard | Sounds reasonable, but remember that raid0 effectively *increases* your chance of data loss |
| 17:57.17 | Wyzard | If either drive dies, the content of the whole pair becomes unrecoverable |
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| 17:57.40 | laust | that's right |
| 17:58.09 | laust | actually the best would be not to use raid and put / on one and the other mountpoints on the other one |
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| 18:13.17 | Minkben | is it possible to configure php to send mail via gmail? |
| 18:13.20 | Minkben | on debian |
| 18:13.23 | Minkben | with sendmail or something |
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| 18:20.36 | moniker326 | hello everyone |
| 18:21.23 | vsmatck | Cannot update .ICEauthority? Tried deleting file from my home directory and from /var/lib/gdm3/. I assume others have had this problem? |
| 18:22.26 | moniker326 | I've just moved over to a new server and got everything up to the point that all the databases and sites are ok but they webserver is still not pinging on the web what should I be looking for that I may have missed? |
| 18:22.57 | moniker326 | can access through IP fine |
| 18:23.00 | moniker326 | but not domain name |
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| 18:23.54 | moniker326 | or I mean backend I can access fine but sites not coming up |
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| 18:24.25 | wols | vsmatck: check /tmp? |
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| 18:25.16 | wols | moniker326: a2ensite ? |
| 18:25.36 | vsmatck | wols: No .ICEauthority in /tmp. |
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| 18:26.43 | moniker326 | all the sites are already enabled |
| 18:27.14 | moniker326 | I'm thinking it has to do with users and permissions... |
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| 18:28.14 | vsmatck | doh. I see a dotfile in there actually. |
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| 18:28.57 | vsmatck | Rebooting. |
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| 18:30.13 | muenchhausen | how can I install single packages from testing? |
| 18:30.31 | wols | !tell muenchhausen about ssb |
| 18:30.51 | vsmatck | wols: You fixed my problem! Thanks a lot man. |
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| 18:31.57 | neiz | what bootloader does squeeze come with? |
| 18:32.29 | dvs | neiz: grub 2 |
| 18:32.30 | wols | grub2 |
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| 18:32.38 | muenchhausen | wols: sid is unstable, not testing, right? |
| 18:32.41 | neiz | thanks |
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| 18:33.03 | wols | muenchhausen: yes but this applies to testing too, just replace "sid" there with "wheezy" |
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| 18:34.18 | muenchhausen | ok, thanks |
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| 18:35.38 | hochron | how do you log login failures, I su from a term and root logins do not show up in last, should I use sude? |
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| 18:37.07 | th0r | hochron: login attempts should show in /var/log/messages |
| 18:37.39 | stew | hochron: neither su or sudo are really a login, but these + logins are typically logged in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 18:37.56 | Stava | Will freshclam be run automatically every day to update the virus database when installing the package clamav-daemon? |
| 18:38.05 | macrobat | hochron: maybe /var/log/auth.log |
| 18:38.53 | hochron | ok, thanks, learning every day |
| 18:39.56 | thomasfuston | Aloha, dont know if this is 100% debian related but i give it a shot, i installed debian minimal, and install awesome and now thunar, but if i try to open my externalHDD i get an error, screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/0tWPC.png |
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| 18:41.28 | macrobat | thomasfuston: do you have ntfs on the external hdd? |
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| 18:43.13 | thomasfuston | macrobat: no... 30 minutes earlier everything worked perfect, i used e17 earlier and thunar, may i miss something to install, but i cant figure out what |
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| 18:44.18 | Stava | Where should i place my scripts that i want everyone to have access to? I assume its somewhere in /usr/share? |
| 18:44.49 | stew | Stava: /usr/local/bin |
| 18:44.54 | dvs | Stava: /usr/local/bin ? |
| 18:44.58 | dvs | doh |
| 18:45.00 | Stava | stew, dvs, thanks |
| 18:45.00 | thomasfuston | and it is able to boot everything else, usb sticks etc. just throw me the error on the external hdd, but why? it worked flawless 30 minutes earlier, and on an other system it works fine too, i guess i missed something to install? |
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| 18:45.21 | bocaneri | thomasfuston, have you tried unplugging the usb device and plugging it back in? |
| 18:45.26 | Stava | Also I'd like to know where it would make sense to place a directory for a virus quarantine? |
| 18:45.48 | bocaneri | it'd make better sense just to remove Windows entirely. |
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| 18:46.17 | Stava | bocaneri, I'm not using windows, i want to scan a ftp directory, and quarantine viruses |
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| 18:46.57 | thomasfuston | bocaneri: already done, but i cant see why theres a mistake, on my netbook still works fine, but on the new installed minimal debian + awesome, thunar throws this error http://i.imgur.com/0tWPC.png |
| 18:47.29 | muenchhausen | movl: using the kernel from backports didn't change a thing |
| 18:47.36 | bocaneri | Udev got munged, maybe? |
| 18:47.44 | macrobat | thomasfuston: can you access usb sticks? |
| 18:48.04 | macrobat | from thunar, i mean |
| 18:48.13 | macrobat | can you mount the hdd manually? |
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| 18:48.47 | muenchhausen | what I wonder: grub always thinks the drive is hd0,3 for some reason, which might be true for the real hardware but certainly not now. Where does it get this old info from? |
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| 18:51.00 | stew | thomasfuston: i'd guess that sdb1 is the wrong device, show us the output of "fdisk -l" |
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| 18:51.15 | bocaneri | In a pastebin, please. |
| 18:51.50 | thomasfuston | macrobat: i can access the usb sticks, but not the extHDD same message in the konsole |
| 18:52.24 | bocaneri | How did you try to mount it? |
| 18:53.31 | thomasfuston | mount /dev/sdb1 it is the sdb1 but one moment, i pastebin fdisk -l |
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| 18:54.23 | bocaneri | If it's usb, try pmount. Also make sure it didn't attach to /dev/sdc1 or something. |
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| 18:55.54 | thomasfuston | here is the pastebin of my fdisk -l output, sda is intern HDD, sdc is one stick, and sdb is the extern HDD : http://pastebin.com/nqyXjBTN |
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| 18:59.22 | locojay | hi any idea how i can bind jj to esc in inputrc so that readline apps like ipython would pick this up |
| 18:59.34 | drwrr | thomasfuston, did you install from the external hdd? |
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| 19:00.41 | thomasfuston | drwrr: no i installed from an usb stick, and now if i try to access the external hdd, i get this error :http://i.imgur.com/0tWPC.png |
| 19:00.51 | macrobat | !fat |
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| 19:01.54 | drwrr | thomasfuston, i guess during install, your stick was /dev/sdb then? |
| 19:02.02 | drwrr | check your fstab |
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| 19:02.29 | thomasfuston | drwrr: during install nothing plugged in except of the installation usbstick |
| 19:02.31 | thomasfuston | macrobat: fat? |
| 19:02.56 | macrobat | can fat16 be mounted at all? i don't know |
| 19:03.07 | wols | !vfatrw |
| 19:03.08 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
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| 19:03.52 | thomasfuston | macrobat: without a problem, my sticks most are fat16 |
| 19:03.57 | thomasfuston | and they work flawless |
| 19:04.05 | macrobat | ok then |
| 19:06.07 | bocaneri | Try popping the USB into another port? |
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| 19:07.18 | thomasfuston | bocaneri: already done, still the same |
| 19:07.45 | bocaneri | And you say this drive works well in other computers? |
| 19:08.04 | thomasfuston | and it worked ~40minutes earlier well on this one too^^ |
| 19:08.13 | thomasfuston | its nothing wrong with the pc and nothing wrong with the HDD |
| 19:08.15 | bocaneri | Do you have another USB hard drive to try? |
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| 19:09.26 | thomasfuston | i just reainstalled, an minimal debian and install awesomewm, and some stuff, now i installed thunar, and got this error: http://i.imgur.com/0tWPC.png , so i am pretty sure something is missing, or well i dont know what, thats why i am asking :) |
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| 19:10.08 | DeeTah | i haven't been playing with X for a long time. I noticed the current debian defaults don't even include xorg.conf, I guess default configs are put somewhere. how could I change my xorg video driver to vesa? do I need to create xorg.conf? |
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| 19:11.40 | bocaneri | I know, and I still suspect something in udev got munged or something, but it still might tell us something if you have another USB HDD to try on that machine. |
| 19:12.00 | abrotman | DeeTah: yes, you create it |
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| 19:12.19 | DeeTah | abrotman: kay, thanks |
| 19:12.37 | abrotman | or use Xorg -configure to create one |
| 19:12.55 | thomasfuston | bocaneri: what do you mean? |
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| 19:14.01 | bocaneri | thomasfuston, there's something called udev - don't know much about it - that reacts to events like sicks and drives being plugged in and setting up device nodes for them (/dev/sdX) |
| 19:14.17 | bocaneri | If something happens to that, you probably WOULD have these problems. |
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| 19:14.59 | thomasfuston | bocaneri: the sticks works well, all my other usb sticks working, its just this external HDD which wont |
| 19:15.13 | thomasfuston | and it gets listed in fdisk -l |
| 19:15.20 | bocaneri | yes, but the sticks aren't in the same device class as usb hdds. |
| 19:15.58 | bocaneri | I can't be sure, like I said, I don't know a lot about it, but maybe udev is screwing up how it sets up device nodes for usb dds. |
| 19:16.02 | bocaneri | hdds, even. |
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| 19:16.34 | wols | thomasfuston: boot it on the console? check .xsession-errors for anything,etc? |
| 19:17.00 | bocaneri | wols, would .xsession stuff mack out a pmount? |
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| 19:17.26 | stevej | hi guys im having a problem with an install of squeeze where for some odd reason this dell r310 is switching the drives in the install so my os drive array is sdb and the data/storage is sda |
| 19:17.37 | wols | any error his filemanager spits out should go in there |
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| 19:18.07 | stevej | im thinking goto menu.1st and force it to boot off /dev/sdb , any issues with that? |
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| 19:18.19 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 19:18.27 | Bartzy | What the x (execute) permission on directories means ? |
| 19:18.29 | Bartzy | Listing ? |
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| 19:18.35 | Bartzy | entering ? |
| 19:19.05 | drwrr | thomasfuston, can you manually mount the drive? |
| 19:19.53 | stevej | this must be a debian flaw, because the raid card and server show disk0/1 - my os drives and disk2,3 - my storage drives |
| 19:20.14 | bocaneri | stevej, are any of your drives usb? |
| 19:20.15 | thomasfuston | drwrr: no same mistake as in thunar |
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| 19:20.32 | drwrr | thomasfuston, how do you try to mount it? |
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| 19:21.06 | thomasfuston | wols: here is the part i suggest is teh error, http://pastebin.com/7vmgpa5X , but this tells me 100% nothing :) |
| 19:21.32 | thomasfuston | drwrr: mount /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:21.45 | bocaneri | thomasfuston, you didn't try a pmount? |
| 19:22.39 | drwrr | thomasfuston, pastebin your fstab please |
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| 19:22.53 | drwrr | there's a bug with installing from usb leaving an entry there |
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| 19:24.08 | Bartzy | What the x (execute) permission on directories means ? Listing, entering ? |
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| 19:24.46 | thomasfuston | drwrr: here is my less /etc/fstab output: http://pastebin.com/8dZnaKij |
| 19:25.07 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 19:25.07 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 19:25.21 | thomasfuston | bocaneri: well pmount is not installed, and from my understanding pmount is there that mount as user is allowed |
| 19:25.32 | drwrr | thomasfuston, remove (or comment) that entry for /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:27.07 | thomasfuston | drwrr: yay it work, thx alot guys :) |
| 19:27.38 | drwrr | yw |
| 19:28.04 | bocaneri | Damndest thing... |
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| 19:31.40 | tesla_dv | Wyzard: you still around? |
| 19:32.29 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 19:35.08 | tesla_dv | So I'm still working on this raid repair.... I cancelled the testdisk, was going to take 40 hours. I'm looking at doing the superblock change, would I do this on an assembled array? How will I know it worked? |
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| 19:36.31 | Wyzard | You mean the fsck with a backup superblock? |
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| 19:36.35 | Wyzard | Yes, do that on the assembled array |
| 19:36.50 | Wyzard | You can't do anything useful with the individual disks |
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| 19:37.04 | tesla_dv | OK, when I run: e2fsck -b 1605632 /dev/md0 |
| 19:37.26 | tesla_dv | it errors saying that its not a correct ext2 filesystem, does it matter this in an ext4 when using this tool? |
| 19:38.17 | Wyzard | e2fsck is for ext3 and ext4 too |
| 19:38.27 | Wyzard | (they're really the same basic format, just with extensions) |
| 19:38.44 | Wyzard | Looks like that number isn't a valid backup superblock, so try a different one |
| 19:38.55 | tesla_dv | ive tried them all |
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| 19:39.46 | Wyzard | then either the filesystem is *completely* hosed, or the array wasn't rebuilt correctly |
| 19:40.12 | Wyzard | The latter is more likely; I'd be surprised if freebsd's disk labeling overwrote every one of ext's backup superblocks |
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| 19:40.43 | tesla_dv | im 90% positive its built right, I had been fiddeling with the SATA cables (new case) and marked them all.... |
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| 19:43.11 | preller | why do i have to put TZ='Europe/Berlin'; export TZ into my bashrc after ive set the timezone with tcselect? |
| 19:43.22 | preller | * tzselect |
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| 19:43.58 | UltimediaOS | glibc |
| 19:44.06 | babilen | preller: Why do you think you have to? |
| 19:44.26 | preller | babilen: the command says so |
| 19:44.42 | preller | and nothing changes until i put it into my bashrc |
| 19:44.55 | UltimediaOS | because its not needed |
| 19:45.00 | babilen | preller: Which command? Don't listen to the commands! |
| 19:45.06 | fossala | Is it possible to fit debian onto 1gb? No X but these apps mutt,ncmpcpp,mpd,elinks,irssi,vim,mcabber? |
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| 19:45.14 | babilen | fossala: sure |
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| 19:45.44 | preller | babilen UltimediaOS http://ompldr.org/vOThwag |
| 19:45.45 | fossala | And am I correct in reading somewhere the squeeze media can be dd'd to a usb stick? |
| 19:46.40 | babilen | preller: Just run "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" and you are fine. |
| 19:46.48 | wols | fossala: yes |
| 19:47.11 | babilen | fossala: You can also "cat" or "cp" it if you are so inclined. I like to "cat" it :) |
| 19:48.43 | fossala | I have never got why ubuntu makes you use there special tools to put the iso's onto a usb pen. |
| 19:48.58 | fossala | Not that I ever use it so its non of my consern. |
| 19:49.47 | babilen | fossala: Well, it wasn't that easy in Debian before Squeeze as well. |
| 19:50.01 | Wyzard | fossala: I don't know anything about Ubuntu's "special tools", but note that CD booting works differently from disk booting, so a bootable ISO copied raw to a disk does not make a bootable disk |
| 19:50.05 | UltimediaOS | @preller have a look in your /etc/timezone |
| 19:50.24 | preller | thx, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 19:50.27 | preller | did the trick |
| 19:50.28 | UltimediaOS | yea |
| 19:50.35 | babilen | preller: great :) |
| 19:50.35 | UltimediaOS | sure :) |
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| 19:50.55 | preller | now, how do i get umlauts, lol |
| 19:51.05 | preller | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:51.07 | preller | didnt work |
| 19:51.08 | UltimediaOS | looool |
| 19:51.21 | UltimediaOS | LC_ALL |
| 19:51.40 | UltimediaOS | /etc/default/locale |
| 19:51.49 | babilen | preller: Die wëlt bräücht keine umlaute -- You have to configure your locale and keymap. |
| 19:51.50 | UltimediaOS | update-locale |
| 19:51.54 | babilen | !tell preller -about keymap |
| 19:51.57 | UltimediaOS | yes |
| 19:52.08 | babilen | UltimediaOS: relax please and less "looool" please. Thank you :) |
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| 19:52.55 | dirtycookie | hello people, i have a debian only with a console installed and i wanted to know how can i start tmux automatically after a successful installation |
| 19:53.05 | dirtycookie | ? |
| 19:53.09 | babilen | preller: You can probably also configure that directly in your Desktop Enviroment if you use one. It shouldn't be that hard with Gnome/KDE/LXDE/XFCE to configure the keyboard layout. |
| 19:53.29 | UltimediaOS | Xorg.conf |
| 19:53.38 | babilen | dirtycookie: For every other installation? |
| 19:53.46 | preller | i cant, im running debian on a dockstar |
| 19:53.47 | babilen | dirtycookie: Or rather then you login? |
| 19:54.00 | babilen | dockstar? |
| 19:54.26 | preller | yeah, seagate dockstar |
| 19:54.27 | babilen | dirtycookie: Well, then configure it in /etc/default/keyboard ... |
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| 19:54.38 | preller | babilen: http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/ |
| 19:55.02 | babilen | preller: And "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" did not work? |
| 19:55.17 | dirtycookie | babilen: what do u mean with "for every other installation", i log onto my system via ssh or directly, and when i successfully log into my system i want tmux to start runnung |
| 19:56.06 | babilen | dirtycookie: No, you said: "start tmux automatically after a successful installation" -- that could have been interpreted as "I want to install Debian on more machines and want to start tmux as soon as the installation is done" |
| 19:56.28 | dirtycookie | babillen: ah ok i got the words mixed up |
| 19:56.30 | preller | babilen: havent tried that yet, if i put "export LANG=en_US.UTF-8" into my .bashrc it works |
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| 19:56.47 | dirtycookie | babilen: when i log into my system i want tmux to start |
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| 19:57.15 | preller | u mean login via ssh? |
| 19:57.32 | dirtycookie | preller: u talking to me? |
| 19:57.37 | preller | ya |
| 19:57.49 | babilen | dirtycookie: How do you log into your system? Do you use a desktop environment or window manager? You can probably just start a shell with tmux in it -- For example from ~/.xsession |
| 19:57.57 | dirtycookie | preller: whether ssh or when im sitting in front of the machine |
| 19:58.25 | dirtycookie | babillen: no desktop enviroment nor window manager. |
| 19:58.30 | babilen | I wouldn't actually hardcode that in ~/.bashrc -- but it would be an option (if you use BASH) |
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| 19:59.10 | preller | babilen: so dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration the "correct" way for my headless system? |
| 19:59.21 | preller | * is |
| 19:59.25 | dirtycookie | babillen: y not? |
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| 20:00.26 | babilen | dirtycookie: It would get on my nerves if other programs are started whenever i open a shell ... |
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| 20:01.42 | dirtycookie | babilen: that is what i want with tmux |
| 20:01.52 | dirtycookie | tmux is a terminal multiplexer |
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| 20:02.08 | dirtycookie | it allows you to have several screens arranged as u want |
| 20:03.18 | babilen | dirtycookie: I know exactly what tmux is :) -- It would still get on *my* nerves. |
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| 20:03.46 | babilen | dirtycookie: That doesn't mean that you are going wonkers when you do it :) |
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| 20:06.15 | jhambo | I have my computer setup for US and for the life of me I cant figure out how to type a "u" with an umlaut. Any tips? |
| 20:06.43 | preller | same problem here |
| 20:07.13 | preller | my locales are set to POSIX |
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| 20:07.20 | homie | do you have an ü key on your keyboard at all ? |
| 20:07.22 | preller | i hate u stallman |
| 20:07.28 | jhambo | homie: no |
| 20:07.38 | preller | i have |
| 20:08.29 | babilen | jhambo: commonly done with the compose keys or a deadkey layout (if you don't actually have the key on your keyboard) -- /msg dpkg compose -- /msg dpkg deadkeys |
| 20:08.30 | th0r | jhambo: there is a program that pops up an ascii chart and you can choose the character you want by clicking on it. |
| 20:08.53 | babilen | jhambo: That way you can type ü with: Compose + " + u (for example) |
| 20:09.09 | babilen | jhambo: Or just " + u if you use deadkeys |
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| 20:09.26 | babilen | jhambo: Oh, no deadkey factoid. :) |
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| 20:13.52 | jhambo | I would just use kcharselect because I don't need this very often. The program I need to put the umlauted character into needs to think it's coming from the keyboard; I can't just paste it... |
| 20:16.41 | Bartzy | How do I change a build configuration ? |
| 20:16.53 | Bartzy | It's not a backport, just enabling or disabling a certain flag in a package build... |
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| 20:19.05 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: The same way, just change debian/rules before re-building |
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| 20:20.55 | drwrr | jhambo, out of interest: what kind of program are you using that expects an "ü" for input, but not ever often? |
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| 20:21.07 | drwrr | s/ever/very/ |
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| 20:21.55 | drwrr | maybe it was a shortcut to quit his chat client, and he mde it work? |
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| 20:24.07 | hochron | so how do I make my wireless more secure? I noticed iwconfig reports security: open. |
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| 20:24.48 | hochron | I glanced at the man page but figured it was more numbers I had to remeber |
| 20:24.58 | hochron | remember |
| 20:25.40 | Bartzy | How can I list the contents of a package that I didn't download yet ? |
| 20:25.47 | Bartzy | aptitude has some flag for that ? |
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| 20:26.58 | Bartzy | Also, aptitude build-dep php5 wants to install apache2.2-bin and other apache related stuff. why ? Can I uninstall them later, after I backport ? |
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| 20:29.38 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: Well, PHP 5 builds the Apache module, so yes, its required. You can remove everything you don't need later. |
| 20:29.57 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: How do I know what I don't need ? |
| 20:30.11 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: Any comand to just remove all the build-deps of a certain package ? |
| 20:30.49 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: Build dependencies aren't related to runtime dependencies, therefore you can remove everything. The resulting binary package will have its own dependencies |
| 20:31.09 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: So basically I don't "need later" anything. |
| 20:31.27 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: Can I remove all the packages that are the build-dep of a certain package ? Or do I need to do it by myself ? |
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| 20:31.48 | daemonkeeper | You need to do that by yourself. However you can try to use autoremove. |
| 20:32.21 | hochron | will 'iwconfig wlan0 enc xxxxxxxxxx' do it? |
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| 20:32.54 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: Not, for more sophisticated packaging you can use a build chroot |
| 20:32.56 | daemonkeeper | *Note |
| 20:32.57 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: And that's only for apt-get, right ? |
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| 20:33.12 | daemonkeeper | aptitude has this option as well |
| 20:33.32 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: What's a build chroot ? And for my other question - can I view the contents of a package (files) without downloading it ? |
| 20:33.46 | daemonkeeper | You know what a chroot is? |
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| 20:34.16 | daemonkeeper | To look into a package's file use apt-file or packages.debian.org |
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| 20:34.47 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: I know what a chroot is |
| 20:35.00 | mark76 | Wyzard I'm running in recovery mode |
| 20:35.05 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: Thanks for the tip on apt-file. BTW, I can't find autoremove in aptitude's man. |
| 20:35.16 | mark76 | I'm about to crash |
| 20:35.23 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: So, a build chroot is essentially the same. Its a volatile chroot created to compile a binary package. pbuilder and other tools automate this task |
| 20:35.47 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: And how can I create this chroot ? |
| 20:35.56 | daemonkeeper | Read about pbuilder |
| 20:36.01 | Bartzy | oh, got it |
| 20:36.24 | fossala | I am setting up a cli only install on a thin client. When I install X and reboot my console resolution is fine. But until I install X (that I don't want to do) it's crap. I've tried setting it in /etc/defaults/grub but after its booted it goes back to the old resolution. |
| 20:36.31 | aguitel | what the bsr way to install flash |
| 20:36.40 | daemonkeeper | That way you don't even pollute your system with build dependencies you don't want |
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| 20:37.42 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: And how do I delete it when I'm done ? Just move my resultant .deb files out of the chroot (how ? by exiting the chroot and copying?) and removing the chroot directory ? |
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| 20:38.22 | daemonkeeper | Read the manual. pbuilder provides you the .debs and you don't even need to touch the chroot yourself |
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| 20:38.47 | mplabs | Hello guys! |
| 20:38.55 | Bartzy | cool |
| 20:38.58 | Bartzy | Thanks a lot daemonkeeper |
| 20:39.11 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: autoremove is called differentely in aptitude ? |
| 20:39.20 | mplabs | How do I change the shell encoding? I believe the VM I'm trying to use doesn't use UTF8 (I have problem to see some symbols) |
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| 20:42.47 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: aptitude is similar by using autoclean |
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| 20:47.11 | mark76 | Hmmph. I'm still here. How disappointing, I should have crashed at least once by now |
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| 20:48.55 | nsadmin | mark76, eat more sugar |
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| 20:50.08 | PRE3D | hy @ all | i got an problem with my X. i updated on debian testing and now my X wont start. dumps me into a blackscreen |
| 20:50.09 | PRE3D | http://nopaste.me/paste/19786447204e079affc97e4 |
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| 20:51.06 | mark76 | I mean my computer should have crashed by now |
| 20:51.21 | mark76 | Should I feed it more sugar, nsadmin? |
| 20:51.26 | nsadmin | you want it to? |
| 20:51.41 | nsadmin | no, it's probably diabetic |
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| 20:53.01 | mark76 | Only to prove to my own satisfaction that the crashiness that it seems to be prone to lately isn't just random |
| 20:53.57 | nsadmin | how long has it survived? |
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| 20:55.47 | sekati | hello all |
| 20:55.56 | mark76 | Since I turned it on? About 25 minutes so far |
| 20:56.06 | abrotman | PRE3D: nvidia or ati ? |
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| 20:56.21 | abrotman | oh, intel |
| 20:56.27 | mark76 | Assuming the programme I just watched on iplayer was exactly half an hour long |
| 20:56.34 | abrotman | PRE3D: there are Xorg transitions going on .. have you checked the BTS? |
| 20:56.37 | sekati | can someone help me: im trying to install cacti on a deb squeeze xen vm from apt - but i *dont* want it to install mysql-server as I have an external server im going to use for the sql |
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| 20:58.09 | PRE3D | BTS ? |
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| 20:59.42 | ansgar | sekati: apt-get --no-install-recommends. And maybe file a bug as well. |
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| 21:00.36 | sekati | ansgar: thanks - can i do that just for mysql-server tho? i did my goog's and it seems there was a reverse bug about this filed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349754 |
| 21:00.58 | mark76 | Did you know that if you install debian from a live cd it skips the part about installing repositories |
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| 21:01.13 | PRE3D | abrotman: dunno what to do now :P |
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| 21:01.30 | abrotman | !bts |
| 21:01.30 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 21:02.24 | ansgar | sekati: You can use it just once for cacti. It should not try installing recommended packages later. |
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| 21:02.49 | sekati | ansgar: ah gotcha cool - thanks v much! |
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| 21:05.37 | PRE3D | abrotman: i dont find any similar bug ^^ |
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| 21:06.36 | mark76 | I can hear my cpu cooler working overtime |
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| 21:08.42 | lgabrielbp | hola fui a #debian-es y me expulsaron sin razon alguna! algien habla español??? |
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| 21:12.19 | nsadmin | !es |
| 21:12.19 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 21:12.58 | lgabrielbp | dpkg: lo se pero cuando entre en #debian-es me banearon sin ninguna razon |
| 21:12.58 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, lgabrielbp |
| 21:13.47 | nsadmin | meanwhile if there's a problem with #debian-es, you can say what it is here in engles, or try #freenode if it's a serious problem |
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| 21:14.45 | nsadmin | maybe you have to register your nickname |
| 21:15.21 | nsadmin | or log into it |
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| 21:16.46 | nsadmin | your nick is not regiatered, maybe that's the problem... one sec, I'll have someone message you privately to help you do that |
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| 21:20.03 | mplabs | lgabrielbp, dice que seguramente no puedas entrar debido a que tu nick no está registrado |
| 21:20.24 | lgabrielbp | ahh ya! |
| 21:20.25 | mplabs | intenta con un nick registrado en #debian-es o pregunta aquà en inglés |
| 21:20.26 | lgabrielbp | :S |
| 21:20.33 | lgabrielbp | ya lo registre |
| 21:20.37 | mplabs | intenta ahora |
| 21:20.43 | lgabrielbp | ok... |
| 21:21.09 | lgabrielbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.12 | lgabrielbp | da ese error |
| 21:21.16 | mplabs | ahmn, ok, estás baneado :P |
| 21:21.22 | lgabrielbp | es que me banearon sin razon alguna! |
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| 21:21.29 | lgabrielbp | y yo no floodee |
| 21:21.32 | lgabrielbp | ni nada parecido |
| 21:21.36 | lgabrielbp | tampoco insulte |
| 21:21.38 | lgabrielbp | :( |
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| 21:22.05 | mplabs | pega un mensaje y lo reenvÃo a #debian-es, pide que te des-baneen :P |
| 21:22.38 | mplabs | let's stop talking in Spanish or someone will ban us here hehe |
| 21:23.31 | nsadmin | have him go to #freenode |
| 21:24.37 | lgabrielbp | no te entiendo mplabs |
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| 21:24.43 | lgabrielbp | lo del mensaje |
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| 21:26.05 | Bartzy | I really don't get it. I'm backporting php5 to squeeze from sid. after a LONG time, I get this error: # start our own mysql server for the tests .... /bin/sh debian/setup-mysql.sh 1025 /usr/src/php/php5-5.3.6/mysql_db ... Timed out waiting for mysql server to be available |
| 21:26.08 | Bartzy | Then the build exits. |
| 21:26.17 | Bartzy | Why is that happening ? It's a default debian source :\ |
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| 21:37.54 | sickgut | hello people, is there any reason why the program called: basic256 crashes after like 30 secconds of use, it did this in lenny and now in squeeze |
| 21:38.25 | sickgut | im running xorg jwm roxfiler on a nvidia card running nvidia-legacy-173xx |
| 21:38.49 | sickgut | i installed it via: apt-get install basic256 |
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| 21:45.37 | abrotman | sickgut: can you debug it with gdb or strace? |
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| 21:46.56 | buhman | is there a debian package for pyside? |
| 21:47.12 | buhman | I couldn't seem to find it searching through apt |
| 21:48.02 | buhman | apparently there's supposed to be a python-pyside package, but it doesn't seem to exist |
| 21:48.06 | sickgut | sey dunno how to debug etc, but there is lots of people having same problem, i think a newer version fixes it |
| 21:48.08 | themill | buhman: not in a stable release |
| 21:48.14 | buhman | themill: I'm on wheezy |
| 21:48.20 | buhman | themill: which is it in? |
| 21:48.31 | sickgut | ill try a newer sid or wheezy version |
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| 21:52.42 | buhman | themill: interestingly enough, I added unstable to my sources.list, and I still can't seem to grab it; is there something special I need to do? |
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| 21:53.45 | themill | ,versions python-pyside |
| 21:53.46 | judd | Package python-pyside on i386 -- sid: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.3-1; sid: 1.0.4-1 |
| 21:53.49 | themill | no |
| 21:55.42 | buhman | themill: oh, wow, I have no idea why it didn't work after the first update... |
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| 21:56.20 | buhman | themill: it looks like it wants me to get python 2.7 now; this will surely cause me craploads of problems with the wrong module being in the wrong python... |
| 21:57.01 | themill | buhman: pyside is built against both py2.6 and 2.7 |
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| 21:57.11 | buhman | themill: so why is it pulling 2.7? |
| 21:57.20 | peanuter | Good day gentlemen. I have debian lenny, which uses legacy grub. My current menu.lst is here http://pastebin.com/izGtGwYp . I would like to have grsecurity set as default and debians default kernel set as backup |
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| 21:57.28 | themill | because it is built against both py2.6 and 2.7⦠|
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| 21:57.48 | buhman | themill: so can't the package require either and not both? |
| 21:58.28 | themill | no. py2.6 will be removed from sid (and wheezy) quite soon now in any case |
| 21:58.57 | buhman | themill: awesome; that's comforting |
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| 21:59.04 | elkng | what does "Libranet" mean ? |
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| 22:01.26 | abrotman | elkng: need context |
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| 22:07.37 | elkng | "Linux is fun but a sad point, I miss Libranet (a great Debian distro of years past)." |
| 22:08.18 | muenchhausen | hi there, I need to install a package from sid on a debian 6 system. What's the sanest way to do that? |
| 22:09.03 | themill | dpkg: tell muenchhausen about backport |
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| 22:10.31 | muenchhausen | thanks |
| 22:10.42 | abrotman | elkng: oh .. oh, duh .. sorry, haven't heard it in so long |
| 22:10.45 | abrotman | !libranet |
| 22:10.45 | dpkg | Libranet was a <Debian based> distribution including many enhancements such as: updated packages, GNOME, KDE, XFree86, reiserfs, etc., a fast, easy install and, a preconfigured desktop. Also non-free; read the license on their CD images carefully (if you think it's GPL, you're reading the wrong thing). Last stable version was 3.0 (April 25 2005), development has discontinued. |
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| 22:11.45 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:23.06 | c3l | how do I send mail to external mail addresses? (trying to redirect my localhost mail to my gmail). I have done dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and chosen internet sites. I no longer get error message when sending to external address. but it appears the mail either doesnt get sent, or or gmail filters it out. any ideas on how I can achieve the desired result? |
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| 22:34.56 | somiaj | c3l: are you sure its not your isp, some isp's only let you send mail via their mailservers. |
| 22:36.32 | c3l | somiaj: not sure, but here in sweden the isp's are quite liberal. and from what I can recall, I once played with drupal, which configured some mailserver, and it managed to send mails just fine. so its most likely not an isp issue. |
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| 22:40.59 | jkyle | I see that debian has suhosin enabled by default. I haven't worked with it before. On my test VirtualHost I've enabled display_errors and such, but it's still not outputing errors. Could suhosin be interfering with this? |
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| 22:42.17 | ksk | jkyle: take a look in error.log |
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| 22:42.18 | aidalgol | What version of Ubuntu is closest to Debian squeeze? |
| 22:42.32 | ksk | ask em? |
| 22:42.43 | ksk | aidalgol: ask #ubuntu? :p |
| 22:43.24 | aidalgol | Yes, they'd probably be the better ones to ask. :P |
| 22:43.36 | ksk | erm |
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| 22:43.43 | ksk | this is a stupid question anyway |
| 22:43.55 | aidalgol | ksk: Is it? |
| 22:44.26 | aidalgol | I just want to know which release to pick from this repo: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa |
| 22:44.43 | daemonkeeper | Not (that) stupid. Ubuntu imports about 75% of all packages from freezes by a given date, so there can be said to which Ubuntu version a given Debian release roughly correspondends |
| 22:44.48 | ksk | ah okay :) |
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| 22:44.59 | jkyle | ksk: yeah, some are still being output there. which is not what I want. Also, calls like error_log($mymessage, 0); seemed to disappear into the ether (these are my apache values: http://codepad.org/yZMluNv6) |
| 22:45.14 | ksk | sorry for this word "stuip". way to offending. |
| 22:45.22 | daemonkeeper | s/freezes/Debian/ |
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| 22:45.52 | kempo | hello |
| 22:45.52 | aidalgol | From #ubuntu <th0r> aidalgol: that is sort of like asking which Mustang is closest to a Corvette |
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| 22:46.33 | kempo | anybody good at sed? i want to filter everything that comes after 'q=' until 'ei=' ? |
| 22:46.37 | aidalgol | If I want to use an Ubuntu repository, I do I tell which one is going to cause fewest dependency conflicts? |
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| 22:47.14 | Bushmills | aidalgol: it is not a good idea to install ubuntu packages into debian |
| 22:47.23 | daemonkeeper | aidalgol: What you are trying to do is no way supported by Debian. Results are undefined, therefore nobody can tell you what the result is |
| 22:47.44 | aidalgol | Bushmills: I know, but the latest stable release of Wine is not packaged for Debian. Not even from WineHQ. |
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| 22:48.16 | Bushmills | the "but" doesn't change that |
| 22:48.20 | ksk | compile it yourself? |
| 22:48.28 | aidalgol | ksk: Probably a more sane solution. |
| 22:48.33 | phogg | Compile it yourself. It's not very hard and really is the best solution.\ |
| 22:48.45 | ksk | (dunno how hard it is to compile wine) |
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| 22:48.58 | daemonkeeper | Well, one could use the Debian package and just replace the orig.tar.gz ... |
| 22:49.09 | daemonkeeper | (with some more tweaks) |
| 22:49.24 | phogg | start with aptitude build-dep wine, the rest is simple |
| 22:50.10 | Bartzy | I have a .deb file. How can I see what packages it's going to install (it's a php-all kind of package) ? |
| 22:51.09 | aidalgol | OK, now just out of curiosity, which Ubuntu release is closest to Debian stable? |
| 22:51.35 | Bushmills | Bartzy: it won't install any. it may, if installing, complain about unfulfilled dependencies |
| 22:52.06 | daemonkeeper | aidalgol: Take the Ubuntu release, whichever was coming up next, when Debian Stable was frozen (Aug. 2010) |
| 22:52.06 | Bushmills | if it is a .deb from debian, apt-cache depends <package> would tell |
| 22:52.54 | themill | Bartzy: "dpkg-deb --info foo.deb", but you should ask whether what your doing is a good thing to do at all (it's normally a sign that you're doing it all wrong) |
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| 22:53.16 | Bartzy | Bushmills: What do you mean ? I backported the php5 package from sid (I'm using squeeze) because I need php5-fpm support, and I don't want to use dotdeb (am I right not to use dotdeb? because it's MUCH easier). So now I have lots of .deb files for each php5 module/extension... and I have one file called php5_5.3.6-12_all.deb . Should I just install the packages I need one-by-one via dpkg -i, or install php5_5.3.6-12_all.deb ? |
| 22:53.36 | daemonkeeper | You are right, not to use dotdeb |
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| 22:53.41 | Bartzy | themill: See ^ |
| 22:53.42 | phogg | aidalgol: your question is unanswerable. None of them are similar. |
| 22:53.46 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: Why ? |
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| 22:54.09 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: Now with each security fix or other updates to PHP, I'll have to go over all of this procedure again ? |
| 22:54.16 | aidalgol | phogg: Will aptitude build-dep install the appropriate dependencies for the latest upstream version of a package? |
| 22:54.18 | Bartzy | the compilation took forever (very fast machine) |
| 22:54.29 | Crusnik01 | Hi! Things are a little slow @ #samba, so I thought I'd ask here. Does the debian Samba package include mount.cifs? I can't seem to find it after installing the package. Any tips? |
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| 22:54.47 | themill | Bartzy: that would be a reasonable thing to do then, yes. (note for next time -- you should add something like ~bartzy1 to the end of the version string -- a version string should uniquely describe a package and that is not the case here. |
| 22:54.48 | daemonkeeper | Sure. As has dotdeb. That's exactly the reason why you shouldn't use any third party repository with unknown quality and security support |
| 22:54.51 | phogg | aidalgol: no, how would it know those? It is assumed that the dependencies for the older version are a good starting point and will get you most of the way to what you need. |
| 22:55.21 | bingomad | aidalgol: if you go to distrowatch, you can compare the versions of the kernel and main packages of squeeze with those of ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10 and see which is more similar |
| 22:55.24 | Bartzy | themill: How can I add a version string, and why ? I didn't change anything. It's exactly like sid's source. |
| 22:56.27 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: So now I have to get update on security fixes to know when to upgrade ? Cause of source aptitude upgrade won't help here.. and then I have to recompile everything ? |
| 22:56.44 | themill | Bartzy: but it's not sid's binary. The binary package should be uniquely identified by the version string. You edit the changelog to set the version, /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 22:56.45 | Bartzy | and install again via "dpkg -i" (which is actually the easiest part :)) |
| 22:56.57 | themill | Bartzy: dotdeb has historically created poor quality packages and not concerned themselves with upgradability at all. |
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| 22:57.36 | Bartzy | themill: I used dotdeb in the past. The upgrades went smooth. The only reason I don't want to use them is because they use an old libxml2 for some weird reason. that's stupid. |
| 22:57.38 | themill | Bartzy: yes, you need to keep track of security yourself. You can subscribe to the package through the package tracking system if you want. |
| 22:58.00 | Bartzy | themill: That's a lot of maintainence :\ |
| 22:58.01 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: Basically yes. However you can't just use security patches from the security team for your newer upstream patches. Maybe yours is not affected at all. Read the DSA carefully, it often indicates the sid version where the issue was fixed. That's your version to backport |
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| 22:58.11 | themill | Bartzy: you're the one who "needs" fpm ... |
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| 22:58.42 | Bartzy | themill: Yeah, it's just that using dotdeb is so much easier. Why did you say their packages are low quality ? |
| 22:59.08 | Bartzy | squeeze will never get php5-fpm, right ? |
| 22:59.17 | daemonkeeper | If not as backport, right |
| 22:59.31 | Bartzy | And when does a package qualifies as a backport ? |
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| 22:59.38 | daemonkeeper | When someone steps in |
| 22:59.40 | themill | Bartzy: they left crap lying around, they didn't respect administrator's changes to config files, they couldn't be upgraded to subsequent debian packages, they didn't follow debian packaging layout, ⦠|
| 23:00.06 | Bartzy | themill: OK :) |
| 23:00.11 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: Basically you do already. You could spread your packages as backport (in theory) |
| 23:00.41 | Bartzy | And using sid's source is safe ? sid's PHP is 5.3.6, which is considered stable by php.net. using it with squeeze's libs won't affect stability ? |
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| 23:01.00 | daemonkeeper | For some values of safe |
| 23:01.02 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: I imagine that I need a lot more knowledge and time to do so :) |
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| 23:01.20 | themill | Bartzy: you're deviating from stable, of course that affects stability. |
| 23:01.20 | daemonkeeper | Its as safe as you can expect a sid source to be |
| 23:01.39 | Bartzy | themill: But is it regularly done for production use (backporting from sid) ? |
| 23:02.04 | Bartzy | The other choice would be to compile from source, or use dotdeb. |
| 23:02.09 | themill | not that common. Taking things from backports.org is somewhat more common. |
| 23:02.23 | Bartzy | So my question is if either of those other choices is more stable than backporting sid. |
| 23:02.29 | themill | doesn't the squeeze package contain the fpm generating stuff just commented out? |
| 23:02.51 | Bartzy | themill: I once searched for it, didn't find anything about it. |
| 23:02.55 | themill | (or equally, can't you just add that small bit back in and use the squeeze packages) |
| 23:03.04 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: Using dotdeb definitively isn't, using the plain source makes maintenance difficult. So your best choice is to use the sid backport |
| 23:03.06 | daemonkeeper | (indeed) |
| 23:03.13 | Bartzy | themill: What do you mean by "add that small bit back in" ? How ? |
| 23:03.25 | Bartzy | themill: And where fpm would be "commented out" ? debian/rules ? |
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| 23:04.10 | themill | The maintainers had fpm ready during the squeeze freeze, so it's certainly possible to build fpm with not much more than what you're got |
| 23:04.32 | Bartzy | themill: Can you explain how ? |
| 23:05.02 | daemonkeeper | As far as I followed, Bartzy had no problems to enable FPM after all, it just took to long to produce binary packages, is this right? |
| 23:05.02 | themill | not without spending the time on it to actually do it... and I don't actually want php5-fpm for squeeze... |
| 23:05.15 | daemonkeeper | *too |
| 23:05.31 | themill | daemonkeeper: plus he's now lost backported security fixes |
| 23:05.31 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: Yes. Also I'm using sid source. If I can enable FPM on squeeze's source, that would be a better solution for me. |
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| 23:06.02 | Bartzy | themill: Sid doesn't have security fixes ? |
| 23:06.06 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 23:06.07 | themill | no |
| 23:06.09 | Bartzy | Why ? |
| 23:06.11 | Bartzy | And wheezy ? |
| 23:06.15 | themill | not realy |
| 23:06.22 | Bartzy | That blows :| |
| 23:06.22 | themill | (i.e. no) |
| 23:06.28 | themill | Bartzy: why should they? |
| 23:06.37 | Bartzy | Right. |
| 23:06.44 | Bartzy | That makes sense |
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| 23:07.14 | Bartzy | So my best choice would be to try to make FPM work on squeeze's source ? |
| 23:07.16 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: As I said, for Sid security fixes are done by upgrading to a fixed upstream version (if any). Read the DSA, it often gives you a hint which upstream version (in sid) fixes the issue |
| 23:07.32 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: What's a "fixed upstream version" ? |
| 23:07.54 | nsadmin | sid is not meant for normal use or real work. it does not need security support. |
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| 23:08.56 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: Well, there is a security issue X in package versions 1.0 to 1.5. Squeeze has 1.0, Sid 1.4. Upstream released 1.5 with a fix for issue X. Now the security team backports the 1.5 fix to 1.0 for Squeeze. For Sid the package version is just upgraded to 1.5 |
| 23:09.12 | nsadmin | upstream is where debian gets the source of it |
| 23:09.54 | nsadmin | something that is upstream from you is where you download from |
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| 23:10.02 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: But you and themill said that there are no security fixes in sid. Which means it would stay in 1.4 ? |
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| 23:10.33 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: No it means, there is no guarantee 1.5 will appear in a timely manner or the package won't break anything |
| 23:10.45 | nsadmin | it's not that there are no security fixes, it's that they don't come from security.debian.org |
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| 23:11.26 | Bartzy | I can't win this. |
| 23:11.35 | Bartzy | :) |
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| 23:11.42 | nsadmin | how do you define "win"? |
| 23:11.44 | Bartzy | Thanks for the help everyone... |
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| 23:12.00 | Bartzy | nsadmin: Get php5-fpm, get security fixes... |
| 23:12.11 | Bartzy | and not use dotdeb.. which probably derives from getting security fixes ..? |
| 23:12.26 | nsadmin | compile just that under testing or stable |
| 23:12.32 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: The whole point of Debian stable is not to upgrade packages during a stable release cycle. This means, You will never get 1.5 in Stable if it was released with 1.0. This is for stability, therefore only non-intrusive changes with minimal impact will enter Stable. |
| 23:12.36 | Bartzy | nsadmin: How ? |
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| 23:12.53 | nsadmin | you would need its source and its build depends |
| 23:13.05 | Bartzy | nsadmin: But will I get a .deb package eventually ? |
| 23:13.08 | daemonkeeper | Bartzy: Dotdeb is even worse. You not only get security updates, you can't even control if and when they are fixed |
| 23:13.21 | themill | nsadmin: perhaps you should read the rest of the backlog before you confuse Bartzy again |
| 23:13.33 | daemonkeeper | nsadmin: This is what Bartzy did. |
| 23:13.39 | daemonkeeper | oh, sorry themill |
| 23:13.43 | Bartzy | daemonkeeper: I think there are some security updates in dotdeb... but yeah, I get what you're saying. |
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| 23:14.20 | themill | Bartzy: no, dotdeb normally just throws you a new upstream version and you get to reconfigure everything and hope that the new upstream version doesn't break too many things. |
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| 23:14.55 | Bartzy | themill: That's right, I had the honor of seeing this |
| 23:15.13 | Bartzy | nsadmin: What did you mean by compiling only php5-fpm ? |
| 23:16.10 | nsadmin | Bartzy, if you "just build", no... if you try to build the debian package using the scripts, supposedly you would... but that generally has less chance of working... further, building the entire stack has a much higher rate of success, with the caveat being, you're maintaining that for yourself and people here won't know how to support it |
| 23:16.30 | themill | Bartzy: ignore nsadmin he's about 25min behind in the conversation. |
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| 23:17.18 | nsadmin | but those are the bottom lines |
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| 23:19.11 | nsadmin | when I build my web stack, I build all of it except postgres, because debian has exactly zero business having any influence during upgrade. the earlier caveat applies: I maintain it and don't ask about it here |
| 23:19.36 | Bartzy | Thanks everyone ! I'll try to compile php5-fpm with squeeze's source, as themill suggested (will come back with results :)), and if that doesn't work, I'll use my sid's backport. themill: Do you think I should recompile with my own version ? |
| 23:20.06 | daemonkeeper | You should always do for clarifiaction |
| 23:20.10 | daemonkeeper | *clarification |
| 23:20.21 | daemonkeeper | Debian won't care. |
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| 23:20.56 | Bartzy | OK, thanks a lot! |
| 23:21.09 | daemonkeeper | If you use the Squeeze version, make sure a security update won't be installed over your patched version |
| 23:21.20 | daemonkeeper | i.e. reverting your changes |
| 23:21.49 | nsadmin | Bartzy, remember that you will need whatever build requirements are specified, which would include libs or programs which somehow help during the build |
| 23:22.17 | Bartzy | nsadmin: But with squeeze-backports and aptitude build-dep it's trivial, right ? |
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| 23:22.32 | nsadmin | it should be |
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| 23:23.12 | nsadmin | but newer source could have build requirements not resolvable in stable |
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| 23:24.11 | nsadmin | if as themill states I'm 25 mins behind, you should already know this... do I have that right? |
| 23:25.24 | themill | nsadmin: you'll see that he's actually already made a backport of the sid package |
| 23:26.41 | nsadmin | aha... why are we here then? :) |
| 23:26.51 | daemonkeeper | Maintainability |
| 23:27.17 | daemonkeeper | Also discussed about 20 minutes ago :) |
| 23:27.20 | nsadmin | did it work? |
| 23:27.28 | daemonkeeper | It did. |
| 23:27.32 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 23:31.26 | nsadmin | ok, so the question when I came in, was about sid and security |
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