| 00:00.12 | streuner | nordx: that isnt surely what http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse recommends |
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| 00:00.57 | nordx | i followed this part: so i try now the iwconfig again |
| 00:01.01 | nordx | argh |
| 00:01.04 | nordx | false copy paste |
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| 00:01.09 | nordx | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK |
| 00:01.12 | streuner | oh crap, it doesnt |
| 00:01.14 | slaeshjag | Hmm... I got ffmpeg to defunc, what can I do to kill it? |
| 00:01.24 | epsilon | kill |
| 00:01.34 | slaeshjag | Doesn't respond to it |
| 00:01.39 | epsilon | or is it in D-state? |
| 00:01.43 | slaeshjag | yus |
| 00:01.50 | epsilon | amen |
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| 00:02.19 | slaeshjag | tried to kill its parent, bit then, init just orphaned it <.< |
| 00:02.25 | epsilon | try reboot, probably faster than debugging |
| 00:02.58 | slaeshjag | In this case, a reboot is a last resort |
| 00:03.01 | epsilon | then check if your hardware is OK |
| 00:03.07 | nordx | when i'am using "ifup wlan0" -> i get 6x DHCPDISCOVER and "No working leases in persistent database - sleeping." |
| 00:03.18 | slaeshjag | epsilon: Nothing wrong with hardware |
| 00:03.40 | slaeshjag | epsilon: I just accidently got it to try to use v4l instead of v4l2 |
| 00:03.45 | epsilon | nordx: iwconfig, does it show "Associtaed with" followed by MAC of AP? |
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| 00:04.07 | nordx | unassociated ESSID:" |
| 00:04.09 | nordx | ... |
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| 00:04.44 | nordx | Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 00:04.46 | marsfligth | I need to mount Windows 7 shares to backup using Rsync, what is better from smbfs and cifs? I dont intend to use 'fstab', I mount shares only when i need to backup |
| 00:05.02 | KanocX | hey, does someone know, why I always get a 550 error (login incorrect), although I set the anonymouse-ftp access? (proftpd) |
| 00:05.32 | dvs | marsfligth: mouting them occasionally doesn't prevent you from putting it in fstab |
| 00:05.44 | streuner | nordx: just a guess - just use wpa-ssid "100MBit WLan 2,4GHz" without " |
| 00:06.21 | zappal | marsfligth: i would take cifs |
| 00:06.24 | nordx | (used it before without "... but i try again... maybe at first there was a other problem) |
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| 00:06.45 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:07.34 | nordx | doesnt work (used ifdown, than ifup wlan0 again.. sleeping) |
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| 00:10.19 | nordx | streuner: i dont understand, because it worked when i installed the 600MB-CD1 of Debian and configured it, it asked for the driver - which i downloaded then and loaded via usb-stick - and installied it after that: i wrote my ssid and pw and it worked... |
| 00:10.30 | abrotman | marsfligth: even if you only intend to mount when backing up, you can still use the fstab .. just set it noauto |
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| 00:10.31 | epsilon | nordx: I would do: add a wlan0 entry in interfaces without telling the essid and no wpa. ifdown & ifup wlan0, then run iwconfig wlan0 essid "..." |
| 00:10.31 | epsilon | then see if AP is associated |
| 00:10.33 | marsfligth | abrotman: what is the advantage? I cant understand it |
| 00:10.34 | epsilon | so wlan0 entry like a ordinary eth interface on dhcp |
| 00:10.34 | abrotman | marsfligth: so it's a documented in the system is one reason .. or you might want to mount it at other times .. like restoring ? |
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| 00:10.39 | KanocX | http://pastebin.com/EadwDTGw |
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| 00:10.51 | nordx | epsilon: k |
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| 00:10.58 | streuner | nordx: via network-manager? |
| 00:11.12 | nordx | dont know what it was... the debian-installer... |
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| 00:11.32 | zappal | marsfligth: the cmd line will be a little easier to write that's all |
| 00:11.35 | streuner | so its a configure thingie, thats now sure |
| 00:11.49 | marsfligth | abrotman: sorry but i cant understand the concept that you exposed. maybe im a bit tired ;) |
| 00:12.10 | abrotman | that's fine, do it however you want |
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| 00:13.11 | jweb | Hi, is there a way to get the CD image of the latest debian 6.0.2 if I want to install from scratch |
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| 00:14.45 | nordx | epsilon: ehm.. when i saved the interfaces (only with the entries "auto wlan0" and "iface wlan0 ..."), brought it down with "ifdown wlan0" back up again with "ifup wlan0" it tries to find a dhcp-server again with the dhcpdiscover-signal, is that normal? |
| 00:15.10 | NerdPope | guys have any recommendations for someone who's been a help desk tech for 4 years and wants to further their career in IT? |
| 00:15.24 | epsilon | nordx: correct, and wanted. Break the dhcp-request with crtl-c |
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| 00:15.43 | nordx | kk but allready done ^^ |
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| 00:16.10 | nordx | epsilon: done, now what? |
| 00:16.13 | epsilon | nordx: now: iwconfig wlan0 essid "..." - and see if AP is associated |
| 00:16.21 | nordx | k |
| 00:16.37 | epsilon | or "iwlist wlan0 scan" first to be sure |
| 00:16.51 | streuner | nordx: its eth1 not wlan0 |
| 00:16.59 | nordx | found wlan |
| 00:17.03 | nordx | but still: Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 00:17.13 | streuner | ifconfig eth1 up |
| 00:17.16 | nordx | streuner i renamed it with ifrename |
| 00:17.21 | streuner | omg |
| 00:17.23 | epsilon | yea wlan0 or eth1, whatever you the wlan is named |
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| 00:17.35 | nordx | i can use both? |
| 00:17.36 | nordx | aha ok |
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| 00:18.07 | nordx | when i try eth1 i get an error: no device found |
| 00:18.08 | epsilon | no, do NOT use ifrename |
| 00:18.33 | nordx | how can i revoke it clean? |
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| 00:18.45 | nordx | first delete the ifrename file and than apt-get uninstall ifrename? |
| 00:18.53 | epsilon | uninstall ifrename incl config, reboot |
| 00:19.23 | epsilon | apt-get remove --purge ifrename, optionally delete the config file. After that clean reboot |
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| 00:20.05 | nordx | what is a "clean reboot"? shutdown -r now, or not? |
| 00:20.15 | jweb | I went to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ and it says Debian 6.0.2 but the images are all 6.0.1 |
| 00:21.08 | streuner | nordx: just use "reboot" |
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| 00:21.20 | nordx | lol, that works :D? |
| 00:21.29 | nordx | fail! XD |
| 00:21.30 | streuner | i hope so :-P |
| 00:21.44 | nordx | new to debian? or it allways was reboot? |
| 00:22.08 | nordx | i mean, new to 6.0 or 5.0 (before i only knew 4.0) |
| 00:22.10 | jweb | I am interested in the 6.0.2 release because it supposedly has support for my wireless card now |
| 00:22.42 | jweb | anyone have any pointers for me? |
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| 00:23.43 | nordx | ok ifconfig eth1 up works now |
| 00:24.04 | streuner | its ifup, btw, but anyway |
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| 00:24.19 | streuner | you usually use ifup in Debian |
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| 00:24.38 | streuner | dpkg, congratulate nordx |
| 00:24.39 | dpkg | Good show nordx, you did it! |
| 00:24.53 | nordx | lol |
| 00:25.02 | nordx | but ifconfig eth1 up is similar to ifup eth1 |
| 00:25.03 | nordx | right? |
| 00:25.36 | epsilon | use ifup/ifdown and be happy |
| 00:25.52 | streuner | many ways go to rome, but that doesnt mean it makes you more happy :-P |
| 00:26.16 | nordx | yeah i will, only want to know :| |
| 00:26.22 | nordx | i'm learning :P |
| 00:26.27 | streuner | no idea |
| 00:26.37 | epsilon | now try iwlist, wiconfig and so on |
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| 00:27.58 | streuner_ | someone who maint ifup should be able to |
| 00:28.03 | nordx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.04 | nordx | :S |
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| 00:28.56 | epsilon | but iwconfig is showing right essid? |
| 00:29.22 | streuner_ | do you get an IP or not? |
| 00:29.39 | nordx | epsilon: yes |
| 00:29.42 | epsilon | you cant get IP/DHCP if the AP is not associated |
| 00:29.45 | nordx | streuner: no i dont |
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| 00:30.30 | epsilon | but even the AP is using WPA1/2, association should be there |
| 00:30.39 | nordx | i'm using wpa2 |
| 00:30.51 | streuner_ | well |
| 00:30.51 | nordx | maybe thats a problem? |
| 00:30.51 | epsilon | how strong is the radio signal according to iwlist eth1 scan? |
| 00:31.05 | streuner_ | d-i isnt able to use WPA... |
| 00:31.24 | streuner_ | and you said its working within d-i... |
| 00:31.30 | nordx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.40 | epsilon | no, association is *before* handling out wpa, so association -> wpa -> dhcp -> internet. you're at step 1 |
| 00:32.06 | nordx | d-i? |
| 00:32.16 | streuner_ | debian-installer |
| 00:32.30 | streuner_ | well, AP just dont use WPA at all? |
| 00:32.35 | nordx | ok maybe i was using the gui after debian installation... sry |
| 00:32.42 | epsilon | *headscratch* you should be able to associate at least... |
| 00:33.16 | nordx | my AP using WPA2, i use it with my laptop i am on with |
| 00:33.20 | streuner_ | s/AP/d-i/ |
| 00:33.44 | streuner_ | and you said, within d-i you are able to connect just fine |
| 00:33.55 | streuner_ | and d-i isnt able to use WPA... |
| 00:33.58 | nordx | ok maybe i was using the gui after debian installation... sry |
| 00:34.03 | streuner_ | ok |
| 00:34.11 | nordx | didnt you get that message? |
| 00:34.15 | nordx | [02:32:35] <nordx> ok maybe i was using the gui after debian installation... sry |
| 00:34.27 | streuner_ | well, which GUI should that be? |
| 00:35.00 | nordx | how can i figure that out :D? i reinstalled the minimal-version of debian... "for better learning" -.-' |
| 00:35.00 | streuner_ | if you are in console mode only? |
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| 00:35.24 | nordx | at first i was using a GUI-INstallation of Debian |
| 00:35.25 | jaggz | I can't find where spamassassin's logs go |
| 00:35.54 | streuner_ | nordx: not sure, but it should prolly be interfaces |
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| 00:35.55 | nordx | some friends say i should start with the minimal-version |
| 00:36.04 | jaggz | (and I'm not able to get mail on my new server.. trying to figure out what's wrong) |
| 00:36.12 | nordx | streuner: wanna have a look on it? ^^ |
| 00:36.35 | streuner_ | nordx: nah, you just showed us your interfaces |
| 00:36.50 | nordx | yeah maybe there is a other problem?! |
| 00:36.55 | nordx | i dont know :| |
| 00:37.26 | epsilon | nordx: no idea what can be the problem if the interface is running... maybe you're too close to the AP, or the AP has some MAC-Filter installed? |
| 00:37.44 | nordx | i disabled macfilter and only using wpa2 |
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| 00:37.50 | nordx | i was using macfilter before |
| 00:38.07 | nordx | too close to the ap? wtf >.<? |
| 00:38.17 | epsilon | nature of radio signal |
| 00:38.20 | nordx | i never heard that, but it is about 1 meter away from it |
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| 00:38.40 | epsilon | just move to next room or floor and try |
| 00:38.57 | epsilon | long shot but hey, I have no other idea |
| 00:39.01 | nordx | and when i scan it says: Quality 96/100 |
| 00:39.05 | nordx | XD |
| 00:39.06 | nordx | ok |
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| 00:39.51 | nordx | quality now 93/100 |
| 00:40.10 | nordx | should i bring it down and up again? |
| 00:40.11 | streuner_ | thats fine enough |
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| 00:40.30 | streuner_ | sure |
| 00:40.40 | nordx | still: Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 00:40.48 | streuner_ | ifdown eth1; ifup eth1 |
| 00:40.51 | nordx | thats so **** strange |
| 00:40.52 | epsilon | hm |
| 00:40.56 | epsilon | ack |
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| 00:41.29 | nordx | i fail at the lowest things |
| 00:41.32 | nordx | pff :| |
| 00:41.35 | epsilon | do you see any other AP in the neighbourhood? |
| 00:41.49 | nordx | nah... i dont see any with my working laptop too |
| 00:41.51 | epsilon | connecting wlan manually isn't that trivial |
| 00:42.14 | epsilon | are you living in the middle of desert sth oO |
| 00:42.21 | nordx | haha |
| 00:42.29 | streuner_ | vienna, sure :-P |
| 00:42.30 | nordx | no only house, and noone arround me is using a wlan |
| 00:42.30 | nordx | ^^ |
| 00:42.40 | nordx | i'm not living IN vienna |
| 00:42.47 | epsilon | wtf |
| 00:42.49 | nordx | i live at the edge (!?) |
| 00:42.55 | nordx | of vienna |
| 00:43.06 | epsilon | in the ity you usualy have 5-100AP |
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| 00:43.15 | nordx | yes |
| 00:43.15 | streuner_ | so in the montains of austria? |
| 00:43.19 | nordx | hahhaa |
| 00:43.21 | nordx | no no |
| 00:43.43 | nordx | i am using dict.cc beside the chat |
| 00:43.57 | nordx | so its right "i live at the edge of town" |
| 00:43.58 | nordx | ^^ |
| 00:44.38 | epsilon | well if your AP is only one in reachable range, d-i couldn't have aken other one even by accident |
| 00:44.46 | epsilon | *taken |
| 00:44.54 | nordx | yes, its impossible |
| 00:45.02 | nordx | because there is no other wlan :| |
| 00:45.29 | nordx | I'll reboot again |
| 00:45.36 | nordx | maybe i am lucky now |
| 00:45.37 | nordx | *gg* |
| 00:47.25 | nordx | hm... i cant abort the startup-DHCPDISCOVER |
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| 00:47.44 | nordx | (directly on the other laptop) |
| 00:48.02 | epsilon | ctrl-c should work |
| 00:48.06 | nordx | didnt |
| 00:48.15 | nordx | dont know why... only wrotes [^C |
| 00:48.19 | nordx | or something like that |
| 00:48.42 | nordx | maybe i have a charmed laptop |
| 00:48.42 | nordx | lol |
| 00:48.52 | epsilon | then keep it running, should give up adter a half minute or so |
| 00:49.04 | nordx | yeah yeah, its done now ^^ |
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| 00:49.23 | richo | Is there a reason that the changes to the rxvt-unicode package wouldn't be pushed to the git repo? |
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| 00:49.32 | nordx | eth1 unassociated ESSID:off/any |
| 00:49.33 | nordx | why? |
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| 00:49.49 | nordx | i allways have to "iwconfig eth1 essid "xxx" " ??? |
| 00:49.52 | nordx | ah... |
| 00:50.00 | nordx | -.- stupid, it isnt in the interfaces |
| 00:50.13 | somiaj | richo: what changes? Debian matainers usually send their patches to the upstream source. |
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| 00:50.42 | richo | somiaj: No, I mean the package has been updated. apt-get source gets me the source of the new package |
| 00:50.47 | richo | but the git repo is not updated |
| 00:51.26 | somiaj | which git repo? |
| 00:51.29 | nordx | still: Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 00:51.31 | nordx | ARGH >.< |
| 00:51.54 | richo | git://git.debian.org/pkg-urxvt/pkg-urxvt.git |
| 00:51.54 | somiaj | richo: your talking about the difference between the source you get from debian and the offical source from teh upstream git repo? |
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| 00:52.05 | nordx | epsilon or streuner_: any idea? |
| 00:52.23 | richo | No |
| 00:52.26 | somiaj | richo: not sure on that then, maybe the patch hasn't made it to the repo. |
| 00:52.38 | hungGPU | hi. whenever gnome crashes on me, on the next time I run startx, I get a message "Detected a hung GPU, disabling acceleration" and it doesn't load. Is there a quick way to unhang the GPU without rebooting? |
| 00:52.54 | richo | apt-get source tells me to checkout from that repo :/ |
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| 00:54.26 | somiaj | richo: http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/Git -- says that git.debian.org is only updated by cron once every 6 hours. |
| 00:54.36 | richo | this change was pushed on the 23rd |
| 00:54.46 | richo | at least, that's the date in debian/changelog |
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| 00:55.26 | nordx | no idea |
| 00:55.27 | nordx | so |
| 00:55.28 | nordx | hm |
| 00:56.17 | streuner_ | nordx: just try to disable WPA |
| 00:56.32 | nordx | aehm.. |
| 00:56.35 | nordx | for what? |
| 00:56.49 | nordx | u think it dont work with WPA2 or what? |
| 00:56.58 | streuner_ | nordx: you told us, its working via d-i |
| 00:57.13 | nordx | i was using WPA2 |
| 00:57.20 | nordx | when it worked with the same device |
| 00:57.20 | streuner_ | and d-i doesnt use WPA... |
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| 00:57.31 | somiaj | richo: hmm, I can't be of much help then, didn't relize that debian packages had an offical git repo, hope you figure out your answer |
| 00:57.43 | richo | somiaj: thanks |
| 00:57.49 | nordx | so again: i made a mistake ^^ |
| 00:58.02 | nordx | i didnt installed it with d-i |
| 00:58.23 | nordx | after d-i with the gui in configurated it,... |
| 00:58.27 | streuner_ | rube goldberg install? |
| 00:58.35 | nordx | O.o |
| 00:58.37 | nordx | what? |
| 00:58.43 | streuner_ | and the GUI was NM? |
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| 00:59.01 | streuner_ | what else |
| 00:59.54 | lotus-blade | is there a way to make debian a server for networkboot boxes acting as dummy terminals? |
| 01:00.08 | nordx | streuner_: i now try a other router |
| 01:00.16 | nordx | with no internet connection but a wlan without wpa |
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| 01:00.41 | streuner_ | nordx: nonsense |
| 01:00.45 | roylaprattep | I have a question, someone can help me ? |
| 01:00.53 | nordx | streuner_ why? ^^ |
| 01:00.58 | streuner_ | nordx: you dont install via d-i now.... |
| 01:01.00 | nordx | so i can try a wlan without wpa? |
| 01:01.12 | nordx | ... ah that you mean :| |
| 01:01.16 | roylaprattep | I just installed postfix, Debian Squeeze, I just want to know if I have to install something else to do sasl auth |
| 01:01.27 | nordx | streuner_ ... so |
| 01:01.29 | roylaprattep | Or if it come out of the box with sasl auth |
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| 01:01.42 | zoidbergg | Help! Anyone deal with nvidia drivers and the hdmi secondary display not working? When hooked up with vga, it works fine, but my monitor isnot getting signal with the hdmi-to-dvi connection |
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| 01:01.48 | nordx | lets give the d-i a try :> ... again |
| 01:01.49 | nordx | :S |
| 01:02.08 | nordx | but i will not work because auf wpa2 ........ AHHHHHH >.< |
| 01:02.13 | streuner_ | sure, that would be verify if the router works |
| 01:02.33 | nordx | hö? ^^ |
| 01:02.38 | somiaj | nordx: wpasuplment is an additional module you have to load in d-i for squeese last I saw |
| 01:02.52 | nordx | hm |
| 01:02.53 | nordx | ok |
| 01:03.07 | roylaprattep | so ? someone can help answer me ? |
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| 01:03.14 | somiaj | though maybe in the simple installer its more automatic, in the expert mode I had to select it as an additional thing to load |
| 01:03.17 | nordx | so i will try wpa-suplement |
| 01:03.31 | nordx | supplicant |
| 01:03.45 | somiaj | yea supplicant, sorry for my bad spelling/memeory |
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| 01:05.38 | nordx | should i reboot after installation? |
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| 01:09.02 | sedulous | does busybox have an equivalent to klibc's "kinit" tool? |
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| 01:10.48 | richo | what does kinit do? |
| 01:11.12 | jaggz | postfix says it delivered my local mail to spamassassin but I can't find it anywhere, nor any logs of it |
| 01:11.35 | nordx | LOL |
| 01:11.39 | nordx | streuner_ |
| 01:11.43 | nordx | it works |
| 01:11.54 | nordx | ahahahahaaha |
| 01:11.55 | nordx | shit |
| 01:11.57 | nordx | -.-' |
| 01:11.57 | nordx | :D |
| 01:12.12 | nordx | passphrase! |
| 01:12.16 | nordx | s: <----------- |
| 01:12.18 | nordx | s: |
| 01:12.19 | sedulous | richo: reinitialize the kernel. it's called from an initrd, e.g. after an encrypted root disk has been opened |
| 01:12.20 | Corey | nordx: Enough. |
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| 01:12.23 | nordx | sry |
| 01:12.30 | nordx | I'm happy ^^ |
| 01:12.33 | Boltsky | is security.debian.org down? |
| 01:12.35 | somiaj | nordx: /msg dpkg enter |
| 01:12.37 | jaggz | can anyone help on this postfix+spamassassin issue? I'm losing mail :( |
| 01:13.00 | Boltsky | oh wait, never mind me |
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| 01:13.11 | somiaj | Boltsky: hopefully not -- I'm able to ping it and update my sources from it on my lenny server |
| 01:13.19 | jaggz | spamd.log says the message is clean.. but I can't find it after that |
| 01:14.25 | jaggz | actually, I do see a postfix log saying "delivered to maildir" .. but I can't find the message |
| 01:14.30 | nordx | hmpf |
| 01:15.03 | somiaj | jaggz: you did check the users maildir it got sent to? |
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| 01:15.13 | nordx | ok, i dont get a connection - fail! -> only access point is now associated |
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| 01:15.31 | somiaj | jaggz: /var/mail/<user> is a common default for that |
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| 01:17.20 | jaggz | yeah.. nothing in homedir, and an untouched file /var/mail/brandon (from before I was doing maildir).. |
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| 01:17.58 | nordx | ok s: wasnt the prob, wpa_supplicant was needed thx somiaj |
| 01:18.06 | nordx | now it works |
| 01:18.17 | jaggz | I'm actually doing a virtualhost setup, so jaggz@whatever.com looks up in postfix and goes to whatever.com/jaggz .. |
| 01:19.11 | jaggz | ooh.. I got a "jaggz" file just now |
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| 01:22.34 | Blue1 | how do I make debian switch to my usb headset instead of the speakers? |
| 01:22.50 | richo | Blue1: man asoundrc |
| 01:23.01 | Blue1 | thanks |
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| 01:23.32 | Blue1 | richo: oops looks like I may need to install that |
| 01:23.54 | somiaj | Blue1: .asoundrc is the config file for alsa (the default sound drivers) |
| 01:24.14 | stew | and at least in debian, there is no manpagefor it |
| 01:24.15 | somiaj | Blue1: the usbheadset is just a different sound card/driver -- you have to tell your applications to use it. you can set the default on in $HOME/.asoundrc |
| 01:24.45 | Blue1 | somiaj: there isn't an .asoundrc |
| 01:24.59 | somiaj | Blue1: make one, you don't need to ahve one for it to work |
| 01:25.35 | Blue1 | somiaj: okay let me see if I can find what needs to go in there |
| 01:25.56 | somiaj | Blue1: google, also look at 'cat /proc/asound/cards' |
| 01:26.21 | Blue1 | somiaj: that is what I am doing now |
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| 01:27.12 | Blue1 | somiaj: yes the usb headset shows up, it's just that I don't know how to switch to it. |
| 01:27.40 | somiaj | Blue1: some applications you can set the sound card directaly, in the options. But just lookup asoundrc default card |
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| 01:29.02 | Blue1 | somiaj: reading now |
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| 01:36.11 | Ray|2 | Hi |
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| 01:37.34 | Ray|2 | :) |
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| 01:41.54 | Blue1 | somiaj: i guess I am not seeing how that is going to solve how to switch the output to a usbheadset |
| 01:43.12 | zoidbergg | is there a trick to getting the HDMI out on a laptop working? D: WHY?! |
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| 01:44.16 | jaggz | how do you edit a passwd file (for dovecot virtual host passwd-file).. it's in the format username:encrypted_password .. |
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| 01:45.33 | richo | Blue1: https://gist.github.com/1050306 |
| 01:45.48 | jaggz | zoidbergg: look into xrandr |
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| 01:46.16 | jaggz | I have things like this in script files: xrandr --output VGA-0 --same-as LVDS --mode 1024x768 |
| 01:46.23 | somiaj | jaggz: I thought you had to create a non-encrypted password file and then use a tool that comes with dovecot to create the actual password file |
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| 01:47.04 | Blue1 | richo: i will look at that - |
| 01:47.06 | jaggz | perfect.. dpkg -L dovecot-common shows dovecotpw file |
| 01:47.33 | Ex-Opesa | I am using NX server/node. It keeps saying authenicated failed for user xyz, why? I can login wiht the same user/pass on SSH though. |
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| 01:50.36 | jaggz | it doesn't seem to edit a file for me.. probably could wrap that |
| 01:50.46 | jaggz | it outputs it to the screen.. fine fine. |
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| 01:57.12 | Blue1 | richo: okay -- let me reality check that. |
| 01:57.33 | richo | Blue1: you'll need to substitute the id of your card |
| 01:59.51 | jaggz | my isp reset my servers.. they were up almost 2 years |
| 01:59.56 | Blue1 | richo: says 1 is the usb headset |
| 02:00.03 | richo | oh |
| 02:00.08 | richo | well then just use that config :) |
| 02:00.26 | Blue1 | richo: I did - but it still goes to the speaker |
| 02:00.41 | richo | did you restart the app? Are you using alsa? |
| 02:00.48 | richo | is the app definitely running as your user? |
| 02:00.58 | richo | Did you name the file .asoundrc in your home directory? |
| 02:00.59 | Blue1 | richo: yes -- the file name is ~/.asoundrc right? |
| 02:01.05 | richo | yus |
| 02:10.11 | Blue1 | I will try again tomorrow richo not seeing the forest thorugh the trees - nope I even rebooted and it stil didn't work |
| 02:10.29 | richo | are you using alsa? |
| 02:10.46 | Blue1 | yes |
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| 02:11.17 | Blue1 | richo: well i think I am i mean the alsamixer works |
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| 02:11.50 | richo | Blue1: no, is the app you're trying to play sound with using alsa |
| 02:11.52 | richo | what app? |
| 02:12.16 | Blue1 | richo: i have tried both guayadeque and skype |
| 02:12.39 | richo | try vlc |
| 02:12.46 | richo | and explicitly set to alsa in the config |
| 02:13.03 | Blue1 | richo: okay hang a sec |
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| 02:14.17 | Blue1 | okay I have sound in the headset - now to make skype happy. |
| 02:14.51 | Blue1 | richo: that just switches output audio, or input from the mic as well> |
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| 02:15.01 | richo | not sure |
| 02:15.04 | richo | I don't have a mic |
| 02:15.07 | richo | well i do |
| 02:15.10 | richo | but I don't care if it works |
| 02:15.15 | richo | I would presume that the process is similar |
| 02:15.30 | Blue1 | nope skype just went back to the speakers. |
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| 02:16.05 | Blue1 | richo: i will sleep on it, and try it fresh tomorrow - BUT I do want to thank you for all your time and patience |
| 02:16.50 | richo | no stress |
| 02:16.56 | richo | if I'm about when you look at it again, ping me |
| 02:17.22 | Blue1 | richo: have a great night - out to watch robot holocaust |
| 02:17.27 | richo | you too mate |
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| 02:42.05 | memaster3 | Can anyone help me with an sql server? |
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| 02:42.37 | richo | #____sql probably can |
| 02:42.40 | richo | what's the problem? |
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| 02:55.51 | Bird|ghosted | how do I workaround/fix Debian bug #611826? I have libvte9 0.28.1-1 and libvte-common 0.28.1-1 on Debian testing, and the bug's being a real pain in the rump as it completely breaks gnome-terminal |
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| 03:02.05 | mv | Hi in debian testing today I got a new kernel 2.6.39-2-amd64 but this time the build folder is missing so I cannot recompile rtl8192se anyone else not have build folder under /lib/modules/2.6.39-2-amd64/ |
| 03:03.11 | stew | mv: the build folder would be in the corresponding -headers package |
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| 03:05.40 | mv | stew: thanks for the tip yeah it is not in the only for the previous kernel and even I load that I still have no wireless |
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| 03:06.12 | mv | stew: sorry the build folder is not in the corresponding header folder |
| 03:06.45 | stew | mv: i'd check the changelog then |
| 03:07.21 | stew | mv: http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/linux-headers-2.6.39-2-amd64/filelist first file listed |
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| 03:08.38 | mv | stew: thanks I will research that now...much appreciated |
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| 03:12.19 | DanDare | Hello. Im trying to run some installation script (Debian Lenny) but getting error: "java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver found for jdbc:mysql://localhost:3306/". I installed package mysql-java alread. The complete error: http://pastebin.com/U8p7H7G6 |
| 03:12.25 | DanDare | Any clue in how to fix it ? |
| 03:13.16 | stew | judd: versions mysql-java |
| 03:13.18 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql-java' was found in i386. |
| 03:14.21 | DanDare | Hmm, sorry, must check what I installed here. |
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| 03:14.48 | DanDare | stew, it was libmysql-java |
| 03:14.59 | stew | DanDare: what does "readlink -f $(which java)" return? |
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| 03:15.38 | DanDare | returns: "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java" |
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| 03:16.08 | stew | DanDare: what command gave you this error? |
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| 03:16.39 | DanDare | stew, its not a command but some automated script from OpenGTS software :/ |
| 03:17.19 | DanDare | I just make it working on CentOS.... but Debian is what I use for the server, so ... stucked here |
| 03:17.45 | stew | DanDare: what did you do that produced this error? |
| 03:18.05 | DanDare | stew, bin/dbAdmin.pl -createdb -user=root |
| 03:18.19 | DanDare | its a script |
| 03:18.26 | stew | DanDare: can you show us the contents of the script? |
| 03:18.31 | DanDare | sure |
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| 03:20.13 | DanDare | stew, http://pastebin.com/cFgKTdwt |
| 03:20.52 | DanDare | No, sorry that was just captcha. right link: http://pastebin.com/cFgKTdwt |
| 03:21.04 | DanDare | Heh, same thing |
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| 03:22.01 | DanDare | well, for what matters I have: JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk |
| 03:22.06 | DanDare | CATALINA_HOME=/usr/local/apache-tomcat-6.0.32 |
| 03:22.10 | mv | stew: figured it out some how the linux-headers for the new kernel were not installed on the dist-upgrade got build and wireless working |
| 03:22.12 | DanDare | GTS_HOME=/usr/local/OpenGTS_2.3.4 |
| 03:22.19 | DanDare | and ANT_HOME=/usr/share/ant |
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| 03:23.01 | DanDare | tomcat was downloaded from apache page, not installed from packages |
| 03:23.27 | phix | hey, $env{ID_FS_LABEL_SAFE} doesn't seem to be available any more, has this changed in Squeeze? It worked fine in Lenny. |
| 03:23.42 | phix | this is refering to udev btw |
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| 03:26.15 | spersaud | I just upgraded to squeeze, the resolution is not 1900x1200 like it usually is |
| 03:26.27 | spersaud | its mobo with a radeon chip 4000 |
| 03:26.32 | spersaud | how do I fix this ? |
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| 03:53.03 | phix | so any ideas? |
| 03:55.16 | blackshirt | hello phix, i'm newbie here |
| 03:56.26 | yow | hi everyone. i wonder why my xterm (init 5) can display big6 chinese characters but my login shell(?) (init 3) cannot display them? both of them have the same `locale'. This is beyond my understanding really, i don't even know the name of the shell under init 3. any pointer, advice or help are welcome. |
| 03:57.48 | phix | ok |
| 03:58.25 | stew | yow: what distro are you running? ubuntu? |
| 03:59.25 | yow | stew, FOA, thx for your prompt reply. im using Squeeze |
| 04:00.02 | yow | stew, i've altered inittab to start my debian into init 3 instead of 5 |
| 04:00.11 | stew | you mean instead of 2 |
| 04:00.27 | stew | and you configured 5 and 3 to do different things? |
| 04:00.43 | stew | (this is all very different from what debian would normally do) |
| 04:00.47 | yow | stew, sorry. u r right --- 2! |
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| 04:01.26 | yow | stew, i wonder what's the different between the shell under 2 and 5. |
| 04:01.35 | stew | in debian 2 and 5 are the same |
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| 04:01.58 | yow | stew, why big5 characters can be displayed under 5 but not under 2 (displayed as square blocks) |
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| 04:02.23 | stew | yow: sounds like the font you are using doesn't have glyphs for the characters |
| 04:02.28 | yow | stew, im using GNOME Terminal under 5 |
| 04:02.59 | yow | stew, GNOME Terminal under 5 can display the big5 characters though! |
| 04:03.01 | stew | yow: this "under 5" and "under 2" thing doesn't really mean much to us, since in debian all runlevels 2,3,4,5 do exactly the same thing by default |
| 04:03.19 | yow | stew, r u sure? |
| 04:03.25 | stew | yow: 100% positive |
| 04:03.32 | yow | stew, in fact, im pretty certain they are different! |
| 04:03.48 | stew | !runlevel |
| 04:03.49 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
| 04:03.57 | yow | stew, then, why GNOME Terminal can display but not the shell under 2? |
| 04:04.17 | stew | yow: becuase the shell under 2 is using a font which doesn't have these glyphs |
| 04:05.14 | yow | stew, im suspecting that after i `startx', certain things/scripts/settings are executed which did not carried out b4 `startx' (or under 2). |
| 04:05.24 | yow | stew, is it possible? |
| 04:05.39 | stew | sure |
| 04:05.53 | yow | stew, the output of locale are identical under both 2 and 5. |
| 04:06.06 | stew | yow: so you configured gdm not to start under runlevel 2? |
| 04:06.29 | stew | yow: and you login to a text terminal there and type startx |
| 04:06.30 | yow | stew, so, what could be the difference? iirc, i didn't do anything in particular to make GNOME Terminal to display chinese characters |
| 04:06.41 | stew | and in that x session you run gnome-terminal? or some other terminal emulator? |
| 04:06.57 | yow | stew, sorry, my mistake --- not big5 but utf8 chinese characters!!! sorry. |
| 04:08.02 | yow | stew, yes --- i always type `startx' to start x windows/GNOME. i've changed my /etc/inittab |
| 04:08.18 | stew | you would have to change more than inittab to get gdm not to start |
| 04:08.47 | stew | yow: wait, what do you mean by "always". i thought that you had configured gdm to be running in runlevel 5 but not in runlevel 2 |
| 04:08.58 | yow | stew, r u sure? as far as i can remember, only inittab has been changed by me |
| 04:09.04 | stew | ... |
| 04:09.13 | stew | i'm still just as sure as the last time that you asked |
| 04:09.20 | stew | (especially seeing as the bot agrees with me) |
| 04:10.00 | yow | stew, i changed my /etc/inittab to 2 instead of 5, that's why my squeeze always start in level 2, and, I'll type `startx' to start xwindows/gnome. |
| 04:10.15 | stew | forget it |
| 04:10.49 | yow | stew, it seems to me that the shell under level 2 cannot display utf8 (chinese chars) |
| 04:10.57 | stew | yow: what does "lsb_release -c" return? |
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| 04:11.27 | stew | yow: if you changed the runlevel from 5 to 2, it means that before that, someone changed the runlevel from 2 to 5 |
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| 04:11.41 | yow | stew, the shell under level 5 is xterm and i reckon gonme terminal is equivalent to xterm, however, the shell under level 2 cannot be _X_term, can it? |
| 04:11.43 | stew | if x doesn't start in 2 but it starts in 5, someone went out of their way to make it that way |
| 04:11.53 | stew | yow: you tell me |
| 04:11.55 | yow | stew, it's my laptop |
| 04:11.58 | stew | yow: what terminal emulator are you using |
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| 04:12.49 | yow | stew, i think ALL the standard desktop/laptop linux installation will start linux under level 5 but not 2. however, i want it to start into 2, that's why i altered /etc/inittab |
| 04:12.58 | stew | yow: you are wrong |
| 04:13.07 | stew | if that is the case, you aren't running debian |
| 04:13.15 | yow | stew, can u tell me how to find out what terminal emulator that im using? |
| 04:13.23 | stew | how are you starting it? |
| 04:13.29 | yow | stew, im running debian on my laptop since etch |
| 04:14.10 | yow | stew, when i `echo $TERM' under gnome terminal, it yields "xterm" |
| 04:14.24 | yow | stew, how i starting what? |
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| 04:14.29 | stew | the terminal emulator |
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| 04:15.18 | yow | stew, when i `echo $TERM' in the shell under level 2, it yields "linux"!!! |
| 04:15.29 | stew | i give up |
| 04:15.30 | yow | stew, when i `echo $TERM' under gnome terminal, it yields "xterm" |
| 04:15.56 | yow | stew, can u see/do u know the differences between "linux" & "xterm"? |
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| 04:18.06 | kla | yow, difference is terminal capabilities, man termcap :/ |
| 04:18.17 | yow | stew, im pretty sure the 2 shells are different, i'll try to find out. thx for your time & effort anyway |
| 04:18.50 | kla | yow, be warned it's a tad too cryptic |
| 04:19.14 | yow | kla, thx, never heard of termcap. |
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| 04:19.25 | yow | kla, yes, i don't understand it |
| 04:19.51 | yow | stew & kla, this is what i found so far: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/difference-between-normal-shell-and-login-shell-14983/ |
| 04:20.24 | yow | stew & kla, let me try and see if i can understand the thread. |
| 04:20.34 | mosno | heh... always fun coming across old screenshots of my desktop |
| 04:20.54 | mosno | debian + gnome + iceweasel + icedove |
| 04:21.03 | mosno | + tomboy + xchat |
| 04:22.20 | mosno | wow, that was meant for #defocus... sorry... at least i got the distro right |
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| 04:23.43 | stew | yow: sorry i'm unable to help you other than to tell you that the font you are using doesn't have the characters in it you are trying to display |
| 04:23.49 | stew | and this doesn't have anything to do with your shell |
| 04:24.01 | ZykoticK9 | yow, i think section 4.2 deals with your VT Chinese input issue http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Chinese-HOWTO.html |
| 04:24.42 | yow | stew & ZykoticK9, but, i can always display chinese char under xterm! |
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| 04:25.33 | yow | stew & ZykoticK9, but, i've been typing (via scim) & displaying chinese char under xterm for years, since etch until now (squeeze) |
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| 04:25.39 | stew | ZykoticK9: he's not having a problem with input but with output |
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| 04:26.32 | ZykoticK9 | yow, have you tried "For help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh" I'd imagine they would know?! Best of luck. |
| 04:26.46 | yow | stew & ZykoticK9, that's why im thinking there must be some differences between the shell under level 2 and 5, at least some scripts or settings are not being executed under level 2, such as /etc/bashbhasrc, /etc/profile, ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc. |
| 04:27.21 | ZykoticK9 | stew, true. I just doubt it's possible for the VT to show Chinese characters, at least not by default |
| 04:27.24 | yow | ZykoticK9, thx for the pointer! |
| 04:27.24 | stew | yow: the problem is not your shell. the problem is your font *WHEREVER* it is that you see boxes, which you won't tell me where |
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| 04:27.36 | stew | ZykoticK9: its not a vt, he says he runs startx |
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| 04:27.46 | stew | ZykoticK9: but wont say what terminal emulator |
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| 04:28.07 | ZykoticK9 | stew, it's actually BEFORE startx that you get the "Linux" as your TERM |
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| 04:28.15 | stew | ZykoticK9: why does that matter |
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| 04:28.19 | stew | actually forget it |
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| 04:28.30 | stew | i can't help him, since he won't answer questions |
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| 04:28.34 | yow | stew, how to find out what terminal emulator that im using? by runing `echo $TERM'???? |
| 04:28.37 | ZykoticK9 | stew, in VT if you type "echo $TERM" it returns "Linux" |
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| 04:28.56 | yow | stew, i did tell u the output of `echo $TERM' |
| 04:29.11 | yow | stew, other than that, i don't know to find out and u didn't tell me |
| 04:29.25 | yow | ZykoticK9, yes |
| 04:29.31 | stew | yow: i'm sorry i'm unable to help you |
| 04:29.40 | yow | ZykoticK9, under gnome terminal, it returns "xterm" |
| 04:29.41 | stew | other than to say you have a font problem |
| 04:30.10 | ZykoticK9 | yow, true. But I can't help you either. |
| 04:30.25 | yow | stew, i have the "standard" or "stock" fonts installed in the default debian directory. let me check where they are |
| 04:30.59 | ZykoticK9 | yow, have you tried "For help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh" |
| 04:31.31 | yow | stew & ZykoticK9, i found these: /etc/fonts/conf.avail/35-ttf-arphic-ukai-aliases.conf & /etc/fonts/conf.avail/35-ttf-arphic-uming-aliases.conf |
| 04:31.52 | yow | stew & ZykoticK9, sorry, now i recalled that i did install the above 2 fonts. |
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| 04:32.37 | ZykoticK9 | yow, i HIGHLY doubt that TTF fonts are going to help you with VT display! |
| 04:32.57 | stew | he's not in a vt display, he's in x |
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| 04:33.38 | jaggz | anyone use dovecot with virtualhosts? my passdb passwd-file {} is not working right... the args = /path/%d/passwd isn't working (%d is not being replaced.. log shows /path//passwd) .. then if I try to use a single file with user@host in it, the hostname is not being added to the username, so it looks for just "jaggz" instead of "jaggz@host" and that's no good either |
| 04:33.51 | yow | ZykoticK9, may i know what "VT" stands for? |
| 04:34.05 | jaggz | virtual terminal? |
| 04:34.12 | kla | yow, have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' ? |
| 04:34.14 | ZykoticK9 | stew, no, actually he isn't. He keeps talking about Runlevel 2 which i know isn't exactly accurate, but its the BLACK console that isn't showing the chinese -- I think |
| 04:34.30 | yow | stew, im in X after `startx', b4 that, it's not xterm! |
| 04:35.09 | ZykoticK9 | yow, is it before or after you type "startx" that isn't showing chinese? |
| 04:35.29 | yow | kla, no, frankly, that sounds scary to me. i almost never used `dpkg-reconfigure', i don't know much about it, is it dangerous? |
| 04:35.51 | stew | ZykoticK9: he said quite clearly that he always runs startx |
| 04:35.56 | yow | kla, do u think i need to run that command to setup my terminal under level 2 to display utf8 chinese? |
| 04:35.58 | kla | dangerous?? |
| 04:36.19 | kla | yow, it's worth a try, see for yourself |
| 04:36.26 | kla | look up manpages if you aren't sure |
| 04:36.26 | ZykoticK9 | stew, see above "level 2" |
| 04:36.33 | stew | "yow> stew, yes --- i always type `startx' to start x windows/GNOME." |
| 04:36.39 | stew | ZykoticK9: what about level 2? |
| 04:36.49 | yow | kla,"dangerous" -- i mean i don't know what it'll doto my system and im afraid it'll changed something without me realising it or i cannot revert it back afterwards |
| 04:36.56 | ZykoticK9 | stew, it's what yow calls VT |
| 04:37.13 | ZykoticK9 | yow, is it before or after you type "startx" that isn't showing chinese? |
| 04:37.18 | yow | ZykoticK9, do u know the differences between VT & xterm? |
| 04:37.33 | yow | ZykoticK9, before |
| 04:37.37 | stew | ugh |
| 04:37.44 | ZykoticK9 | stew, see ;) |
| 04:37.49 | kla | yow, I've been telling you about the difference.. they're a whole different worlds |
| 04:37.58 | stew | anyway. its still a font problem |
| 04:38.01 | stew | no matter where it is |
| 04:38.05 | yow | ZykoticK9, i've been typing & displaying chinese under xwindows for years, ever since etch |
| 04:38.46 | kla | yow, google linux chinese console or ask in the chinese channel - or try commands you aren't sure what they do yet. it's up to you :) |
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| 04:39.27 | yow | stew, regarding fonts, as far as i can remember, i did not do anything special to my system, it's just the standard utf8 encoding with the fonts that i showed b4, i think. |
| 04:39.33 | stew | yow: please stop hilighting me |
| 04:39.48 | yow | stew, sorry. |
| 04:40.34 | yow | stew, i don't mean to do that, i just thought perhaps i haven't make my problem clear. as i said before, i don't even know what the shell under level 2 is called, hence, i can't even start to google. |
| 04:41.40 | yow | anyway, thxx for you guys' help. i'll try the chinese chanel, the commands, check the howto and also googling. |
| 04:42.07 | kla | yow, good luck |
| 04:42.15 | yow | stew, ZykoticK9 & kal, thx for your time and effort. bye for now. |
| 04:42.18 | yow | kla, thx |
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| 05:12.12 | Sazpaimon | what type of cron software does debian ship by default? |
| 05:12.18 | Sazpaimon | is it based on vixie cron? |
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| 05:19.06 | ZykoticK9 | Sazpaimon, from "man cron": cron - daemon to execute scheduled commands (Vixie Cron) |
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| 05:26.21 | zzzz | hi there ! i have a problem with X server on my squeeze amd64 box. when i type startx on the console (regular user) the xserver doesn't start. it gives me error. however, under root account xserver starts normally |
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| 05:26.39 | zzzz | what can i do to fix this problem ? |
| 05:27.41 | sergiosanche | excuse me, can u repeat your problem? |
| 05:28.52 | mosno | zzzz, i had that too |
| 05:29.26 | zzzz | mosno: how did you solved the problem ? |
| 05:29.36 | mosno | zzzz, i didn't |
| 05:30.15 | mosno | zzzz, my box was i386 if that helps, with a Radeon card |
| 05:30.44 | gnarface | zzzz: you might want to consider pastebin and your xorg log |
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| 05:30.51 | wols | zzzz: what error? |
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| 05:32.22 | zzzz | it's saying: fatal server error: failed to activate core devices |
| 05:33.06 | wols | that is not the real error. do what gnarface said and pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:33.09 | mosno | zzzz, oh yeah, and a synaptics pointer it seemed to be related to that |
| 05:33.23 | wols | zzzz: and give us the output of the command "id" |
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| 05:36.20 | zzzz | !pastebin |
| 05:36.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 05:40.40 | zzzz | here is the pastebin: http://paste.debian.net/121228/ |
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| 05:44.48 | zzzz | so, any ideas ? |
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| 05:51.40 | jokar | Hi all |
| 05:51.42 | jokar | o/ all |
| 05:51.59 | jokar | i want download dvd package but in debian website i can't find they |
| 05:52.27 | jokar | debian website remove all package like debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-X.iso |
| 05:52.39 | jokar | for download what do i do? |
| 05:53.18 | jokar | i want download debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-2.iso debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-3.iso debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-4.iso debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-5.iso debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-6.iso debian-6.0.1a-amd64-DVD-7.iso |
| 05:53.26 | sergiosanche | wget? |
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| 05:53.51 | abrotman | probably 6.0.2 by now |
| 05:54.08 | jokar | i use internet download manager for download they but link not resume |
| 05:54.18 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/bt-dvd/ ... or not |
| 05:54.18 | jokar | :( |
| 05:54.59 | jokar | link not work |
| 05:55.20 | jokar | oh it is torrent |
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| 05:56.56 | jokar | hey i have debian 6.0.1amd64 and you show me debian 6.0.1.a,if i downloading this package can i run they on debian 6.0.1? |
| 05:57.07 | ZykoticK9 | abrotman, rather then downloading 6.0.1a DVD right now, you might want to dl the CD instead - and wait for 6.0.2 DVD to be release ("soon" according to the notice) |
| 05:57.26 | jokar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:58.22 | ZykoticK9 | jokar, until you update - then you'll be 6.0.2 |
| 05:58.50 | jokar | i have not high speed internet |
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| 05:59.18 | jokar | and i downloadin 6.0.1,can i run 6.0.2 or 6.0.1a on debian 6.0.1? |
| 05:59.24 | wols | jokar: you don't need to download what you see on "debian 6.0.1". all you need is to use apt-get upgrade and you get all the updates that are in 6.0.1 |
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| 06:00.19 | wols | jokar: if you simply apt-get update;apt-get upgrade then you are running 6.0.2 already. the new 6.0.2 iso is only for people who want to install debian today so they don't have to install security updates right after installing |
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| 06:00.46 | jokar | can you show me direct link for downloading 6.0.1amd64 package? |
| 06:00.47 | bronaugh | so funny problem. |
| 06:00.51 | karlpinc | jokar: Why do you want all the dvds? Often it's a better idea to use something like apt-cacher if you've a slow net connection and lots of boxes to update. |
| 06:00.57 | bronaugh | keyboard doesn't work once I log in via kdm. |
| 06:01.01 | bronaugh | works fine before then. |
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| 06:01.21 | bronaugh | and this just suddenly cropped up. no problem before today. |
| 06:01.27 | jokar | o/ karlpinc :i have not internet and i need all package |
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| 06:02.22 | bronaugh | any ideas as to why that might happen and/or how to fix it? |
| 06:02.23 | zzzz | i guess there is no solution for now for my xserver problem |
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| 06:03.33 | wols | zzzz: has X ever worked? |
| 06:04.02 | wols | bronaugh: what debian? |
| 06:04.13 | zzzz | wols: yes, i guess |
| 06:04.17 | zzzz | :-p |
| 06:04.35 | bronaugh | wols: happens to be ubuntu 8.04 |
| 06:04.45 | wols | zzzz: not a useful answer, but keep it up if you wish |
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| 06:05.07 | wols | bronaugh: then you shouldn't ask here |
| 06:05.17 | cesurasean | hey guys. im trying to run this command on squeeze, but it doesn't work. - /bin/apxs -i -a -c mod_evasive20.c |
| 06:05.23 | bronaugh | *shrug* ok, fine by me. |
| 06:05.25 | cesurasean | how do i fix my problem? |
| 06:05.46 | zzzz | wols: it was a little joke. it worked on my box |
| 06:05.48 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 06:05.48 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 06:06.06 | cesurasean | i don't have apxs2 installed |
| 06:06.14 | wols | !tell cesurasean about search |
| 06:07.51 | cesurasean | thx |
| 06:08.00 | wols | ,versions libapache2-mod-evasive |
| 06:08.01 | judd | Package libapache2-mod-evasive on i386 -- lenny: 1.10.1-1; sid: 1.10.1-1; squeeze: 1.10.1-1; wheezy: 1.10.1-1 |
| 06:08.13 | wols | cesurasean: so do you really need to compile it yourself? |
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| 06:10.13 | wols | cesurasean: the command is apxs2 and it's in /usr/bin normally btw |
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| 06:21.14 | mwarning | Hi, I try to get my debian installer usb stick working. It works on my desktop computer but when I startup from my laptop the installer menu appears but I can't move the cursor. Looks like the system is frozen. |
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| 06:22.42 | wols | mwarning: text mode or gui installer? |
| 06:23.01 | gonzaloaf | hello, do you know why every time I boot my ethernet card is not well configured, I mean, without DNS ? |
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| 06:23.50 | sergiosanche | try to put your dns config in /etc/resolv.conf gonzaloaf |
| 06:23.56 | wols | gonzaloaf: depends how you acquire your IP |
| 06:24.09 | mwarning | wols, it freezes right at the "Installer boot menu" |
| 06:24.15 | McLovin926 | has anyone esle noticed that there is no real way to get hdmi audio working on nvidia cards? |
| 06:24.31 | gonzaloaf | sergiosanche, I do, but later, when I boot again it is empty |
| 06:24.38 | gonzaloaf | wols, I have static IP |
| 06:24.50 | wols | gonzaloaf: and how do you set this static IP? |
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| 06:25.13 | sergiosanche | is it debian or ubuntu? |
| 06:25.16 | mwarning | wols, it's text mode I would say |
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| 06:26.04 | mwarning | there is planet earth and a little rocket in the background :P |
| 06:26.11 | wols | mwarning: pressing "enter" doesn't work? |
| 06:26.20 | mwarning | doesn't work |
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| 06:26.26 | gonzaloaf | wols, where can I paste text? |
| 06:26.35 | wols | !pastebin |
| 06:26.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:27.12 | wols | gonzaloaf: at that point it's syslinux, not yet the debian kernel. what laptop is this? any bios settings you can change for the keyboard? |
| 06:27.32 | wols | sowwy, was for mwarning |
| 06:27.42 | phix | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.44 | wols | mwarning: can you try plugging in a USB keyboard? |
| 06:27.50 | phix | and where is it documented? |
| 06:27.57 | wols | phix: SAFE for what? |
| 06:28.01 | mwarning | wols, good idea, I will try |
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| 06:28.14 | phix | wols: UDEV env{ID_FS_LABEL_SAFE} |
| 06:28.33 | phix | wols: to get at the filesystem label of a drive using udev |
| 06:28.43 | gonzaloaf | wols, I put this in my /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.debian.net/121231/ |
| 06:28.47 | wols | probably a "safe" way to reading it? |
| 06:29.08 | gonzaloaf | wols, it is a desktop |
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| 06:29.16 | phix | wols: like encoding weird characters? or accessing the drive safetly? |
| 06:29.17 | mwarning | wols, it's an LG X130 with an Atom |
| 06:29.35 | wols | gonzaloaf: I see how there is no nameserver mentioned. man interfaces |
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| 06:29.49 | wols | phix: dunno |
| 06:29.49 | mwarning | wols, usb keyboard doesn't change anything (I can navigate in bios though) |
| 06:29.54 | phix | wols: <3 |
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| 06:30.38 | wols | gonzaloaf: are you running something like network manager (often via gnome) too?. maybe that overwrites the resolv.conf? |
| 06:30.50 | mwarning | there are only a few bios options, nothing looks related to the problem |
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| 06:32.51 | wols | gonzaloaf: by default whatever you put into resolv.conf should stay there with your interfaces config. to set a namserver there you'd need a ip-up.d script :( I was thinking there was a setting for DNS for interfaces but I was wrong |
| 06:33.34 | gonzaloaf | wols, AFAIK nameserver doesnt go in the interfaces file |
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| 06:34.01 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 06:35.01 | blackshirt | :d |
| 06:35.35 | streuner_ | amset:/tmp# grep -i nameserver /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:35.35 | streuner_ | dns-nameservers 145.253.2.11 |
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| 06:36.02 | cpatrick08 | i was wondering when the debian 6.0.2 isos will be released |
| 06:37.02 | gonzaloaf | wols, 0° I boot, ifconfig, my IP is OK and eth0 is up 1° I realize that my resolv.conf is empty 2° I put DNS in resolv.conf 3° nothing happens 4° I use gnome to set DNS 5° I realize that my eth0 interface is down 6° ifup eth0 7° everthing is ok ..... I have to do this procedure every boot |
| 06:37.17 | gnarface | gonzaloaf: there is an addon that you can put in that lets you put nameservers in your interfaces file |
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| 06:37.56 | gnarface | gonzaloaf: sounds however like the problem you're having is you have a stray dhcp client program running that's wiping out your resolv.conf |
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| 06:38.22 | gonzaloaf | gnarface, but which one? |
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| 06:38.37 | wols | he means resolvconf most likely |
| 06:39.05 | wols | and at step point 2 you should be fine already |
| 06:39.13 | wols | -point |
| 06:39.40 | gonzaloaf | wols, I though the same, but it is not working |
| 06:40.07 | gnarface | yea i meant resolvconf... but that's not what's hosing your resolv.conf. its your dhcp client config |
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| 06:40.42 | gnarface | (or possibly some vpn client nonsense... ) |
| 06:40.56 | gonzaloaf | streuner_, nameserver in interfaces file? |
| 06:40.56 | wols | gonzaloaf: how far do you boot to see that resolv.conf is empty? is X loaded by then? |
| 06:41.18 | wols | gonzaloaf: resolvconf |
| 06:41.22 | gonzaloaf | wols, yep, after X is loaded |
| 06:41.26 | streuner_ | gonzaloaf: sure, but a dhcp client usually overwrite resolv.conf |
| 06:41.43 | gonzaloaf | streuner_, I have static IP |
| 06:41.43 | wols | gonzaloaf: probably network-manager |
| 06:42.42 | gonzaloaf | streuner_, wols cat /etc/network/interfaces -> http://paste.debian.net/121233/ |
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| 06:44.28 | karthikeyan | how to install skype in debian |
| 06:44.42 | streuner_ | dpkg, skype |
| 06:44.42 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 06:44.59 | Phoul | someone should add that skype is now a microsoft product to that |
| 06:44.59 | Phoul | lol |
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| 06:46.03 | cpatrick08 | i was wondering when the debian 6.0.2 isos will be released |
| 06:46.05 | cpatrick08 | on http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ when you click on any of the links it downloads 6.0.1a |
| 06:46.05 | streuner_ | gonzaloaf: isnt there an example about a static IP in man interfaces? |
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| 06:46.31 | gnarface | someone should add "skype is just gnome-meeting with a stupid name so your mom will like it" |
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| 06:47.17 | gonzaloaf | streuner_, yep, but not using dns |
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| 06:53.37 | streuner_ | gonzaloaf: "# dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installeddns-nameservers 145.253.2.11", hm |
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| 06:54.10 | streuner_ | gonzaloaf: sorry, its early in morning here... |
| 06:54.33 | gonzaloaf | streuner_, installing... |
| 06:54.48 | gonzaloaf | streuner_, don't worry, thanks for the information |
| 06:55.09 | streuner_ | gonzaloaf: btw, network and broadcast is commented out, i think you need it |
| 06:55.34 | gonzaloaf | streuner_, ok, fixing it |
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| 07:00.09 | gonzaloaf | streuner_, wols , thanks I'll try the next boot |
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| 07:02.17 | netanel | the simple-cdd method is the best way to build customized debian distro? |
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| 07:11.23 | zzzz | hi there ! i solved my xserver problem. |
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| 07:11.51 | paijo__ | zzzz: that's greats |
| 07:11.59 | paijo__ | zzzz: what the problem ? |
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| 07:12.29 | gnarface | zzzz: did you have to create or edit your xorg.conf? |
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| 07:12.39 | zzzz | gnarface: no |
| 07:12.40 | gnarface | zzzz: or did you just have to add yourself to the 'video' group? |
| 07:12.57 | zzzz | i was in the video group |
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| 07:13.08 | gnarface | zzzz: i saw that log you left earlier... looked like it was dying because it couldn't figure out a valid keyboard config |
| 07:13.09 | zzzz | the problem was permissions |
| 07:13.10 | Renekton | hi all |
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| 07:13.20 | gnarface | zzzz: indeed. permissions on what? |
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| 07:13.53 | zzzz | on tmp directory from var |
| 07:15.07 | gnarface | zzzz: your permissions on /var/tmp were hosed?! how did that happen!?!??! |
| 07:15.43 | Renekton | NoFlushD is working with external usb hard disk? |
| 07:15.57 | zzzz | yeah. well yesterday i tested something and i remembered that i changed permissions on that directory |
| 07:16.16 | gnarface | zzzz: tsk tsk |
| 07:16.17 | zzzz | so, it was after all my stupid mistake |
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| 07:16.41 | gnarface | zzzz: at least you can admit it. the only real mistakes are the ones we don't learn from |
| 07:17.15 | zzzz | yes. corect |
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| 07:18.29 | zzzz | it was a good lesson, at least for me. |
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| 07:20.18 | zzzz | gnarface: have a nice day ! |
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| 07:28.46 | verm__ | is there an archive anywhere of old debian isos? |
| 07:28.49 | verm__ | (going back many years) |
| 07:30.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | archive.d.o might |
| 07:31.48 | verm__ | i checked there, no isos that i could find |
| 07:31.52 | verm__ | unless i don't know where to look.. |
| 07:32.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm, maybe its just packages then |
| 07:32.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: archive |
| 07:32.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 07:33.29 | verm__ | oh, perfect! |
| 07:33.32 | verm__ | thank you :) |
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| 07:37.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | np :) |
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| 07:38.13 | verm__ | and now i am off to download happily.. |
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| 07:47.46 | negaduck | is there an utility that prevents disks spin down? Do i understand it right spin down is not very good for disks? |
| 07:49.05 | wols | negaduck: depends on the disks. for laptop ones it's mandatory. for server ones not |
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| 07:49.31 | wols | normally you can change behaviour with hdparm. xx seconds of inactivity before they go to sleep |
| 07:49.40 | wols | but as I said: don't do this with laptops |
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| 07:50.42 | ongolaBoy | hello.I'm using debmirror-2.4.5 on lenny. why it can't download a .deb such as language-pack-fr-base_10.04+20110204 in my local repository (dedicated to Ubuntu lucid)? |
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| 07:51.12 | negaduck | wols: i have usb hdd, i think disturbing it too frequently may damage it sooner if configured to spindown |
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| 07:52.08 | wols | negaduck: avery driver maker has different design parameters for this, for each drive |
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| 07:54.52 | furibondox | hi guys... |
| 07:55.15 | furibondox | I have a folder containing a lot of debs and I'm looking for a way to know the license of each one. Do you know how to extract the license from each package? |
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| 07:59.23 | furibondox | how can I extract the license from the a deb package? |
| 08:00.17 | yareally | Ìû |
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| 08:00.53 | SandmanNet | Anyone here using webmin? I have problems with cluster copy files |
| 08:01.35 | themill | furibondox: packages.debian.org or aptitude changelog are the two easiest ways |
| 08:01.40 | yareally | Ìû |
| 08:02.21 | JyZyXEL | rsync isn't very bandwidth efficient when you rename files on your destination, is there something better? |
| 08:02.32 | furibondox | ok themill I'll look at it |
| 08:02.41 | JyZyXEL | like rsync will have to resend all the renamed files to the source |
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| 08:02.53 | JyZyXEL | even if they already are on the source but with a different name |
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| 08:08.03 | themill | unison handles that better, but it does a lot of other things that you might not want. It's also a bit of a pain with its different versions being incompatible. |
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| 08:12.07 | mwarning | wols, about my boot problem, I now use the boot image that comes for debian 5.0 |
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| 09:06.02 | rupesh | hello evry1 |
| 09:07.29 | rupesh | help in installing debain |
| 09:07.31 | rupesh | debian |
| 09:08.04 | rupesh | exit |
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| 09:12.59 | khali | hi folks |
| 09:14.09 | khali | is there an easy way to figure out which exact upstream kernel source version was used as the based for a given debian kernel package? |
| 09:14.41 | khali | (for example, is debian kernel 2.6.39-2 based on upstream 2.6.39, 2.6.39.1 or 2.6.39.2?) |
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| 09:36.04 | jokar | o/ all |
| 09:37.02 | jokar | excuse me fo use dd command for clone a partition i must exit from X window? |
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| 09:37.47 | nyov | khali: if you have it installed, you could search the changelog |
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| 09:41.04 | Bushmills | jokar: no need |
| 09:42.11 | jokar | i use dd command in fedora and when i restore my backup some command like su not work!!! |
| 09:42.29 | Bushmills | and? |
| 09:42.49 | petemc | jokar: dd isnt a very sophisticated backup tool, there are much better options |
| 09:43.12 | jokar | can you show me? |
| 09:43.37 | petemc | backuppc is popular, but if you insist on cloning partitions then partimage |
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| 09:43.58 | jokar | my linux partition is 30GB and linux only used 10GB,if i use dd for create a backup i must have 30GB free space? |
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| 09:44.17 | petemc | you could pipe it though gzip, but again, there are better ways |
| 09:45.19 | allorder | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 09:45.39 | allorder | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 09:45.48 | niko | allorder: please, stop that |
| 09:47.07 | allorder | gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj |
| 09:47.07 | allorder | jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj |
| 09:47.08 | jokar | i use partimage for create a backup but it show me an error==>block 0 error |
| 09:47.18 | petemc | !ops allorder idiot |
| 09:47.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: petemc complains about: allorder idiot |
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| 09:47.34 | petemc | thank you |
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| 09:48.34 | digdilem_ | backuppc is for group backups. Did you mean backup-manager ? |
| 09:48.47 | jokar | no |
| 09:49.12 | petemc | digdilem_: what? |
| 09:49.45 | digdilem_ | um, don't know how clearer to say it. wasn't op asking for local backups? |
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| 09:49.58 | petemc | what is a group backup ? |
| 09:50.05 | digdilem_ | a server that backs up many clients |
| 09:50.07 | petemc | backup can be used for a single machine |
| 09:50.18 | digdilem_ | i run both, very different things |
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| 09:50.42 | petemc | what is a group backup ? |
| 09:53.52 | petemc | oh, you answered, silly me |
| 09:54.06 | petemc | anyway, backuppc is fine for one machine or many |
| 09:54.27 | petemc | you can do it over localhost |
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| 10:00.52 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.58 | Agiofws | i need some help please |
| 10:01.14 | Agiofws | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 10:01.16 | Agiofws | /dev/sda5 14G 14G 0 100% / |
| 10:01.33 | Agiofws | is there any way i can free some unused packages with apt-get ? |
| 10:01.43 | petemc | you could try apt-get clean |
| 10:01.47 | Agiofws | or the source of the packages ... or something like that |
| 10:01.48 | acemi | aptitude autoclean |
| 10:02.04 | Agiofws | will it hurt my system ? |
| 10:02.27 | acemi | autoclean removes only the old packages |
| 10:02.28 | mentor | It just removes cached downloaded package files |
| 10:02.59 | Agiofws | /dev/sda5 14G 13G 868M 94% / |
| 10:03.07 | Agiofws | any other move ? |
| 10:03.17 | acemi | check /var/log |
| 10:03.58 | mentor | Agiofws: You can use du to see what is taking up space |
| 10:04.15 | SandmanNet | So, I moved my debian box from inside a NAT to outside, but my server binds to the internal IP still... what am I doing wrong? |
| 10:04.24 | SandmanNet | The server is a game server in this instance |
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| 10:05.01 | SandmanNet | and networking is working |
| 10:05.09 | mentor | SandmanNet: Does your network interface have the right IP? |
| 10:05.17 | SandmanNet | mentor: yes, ifconfig reports correctly |
| 10:05.23 | SandmanNet | and networking works as it should |
| 10:05.33 | SandmanNet | it's just that when I start the server, it binds to 10.0.0.167 |
| 10:05.37 | mentor | Does any interface have the internal IP? |
| 10:05.39 | SandmanNet | Which is the old IP |
| 10:05.40 | SandmanNet | Nop |
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| 10:05.46 | digdilem_ | SandmanNet, /etc/hosts ? |
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| 10:06.01 | digdilem_ | if ifconfig for that eth reports the right ip, then the server is on that right ip |
| 10:06.03 | Agiofws | 153M -rw-r----- 1 root adm 153M Jun 28 12:53 messages ? |
| 10:06.15 | SandmanNet | digdilem_: Ah, that could be it! |
| 10:06.16 | digdilem_ | if other software is listening on another ip, you need to address those individually |
| 10:06.17 | mentor | I'm fairly sure the socket API won't let you listen on a non-existent address |
| 10:06.19 | SandmanNet | 10.0.0.160gc01.gameconnect.segc01 |
| 10:06.20 | Agiofws | 620M -rw-r----- 1 root adm 619M Jun 28 12:33 kern.log ? |
| 10:06.34 | SandmanNet | in /etc/hosts |
| 10:06.38 | SandmanNet | I'll remove that line |
| 10:06.40 | Agiofws | is there an app to clean logs or do i do it manually ? |
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| 10:06.57 | Agiofws | 714M -rw-r----- 1 root adm 713M Jun 28 13:06 syslog ? |
| 10:07.11 | SandmanNet | "Network: IP unknown" <- This is what I got instead :-D |
| 10:07.30 | SandmanNet | (from the game server) |
| 10:07.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | Agiofws: seems logrotate isn't running correctly |
| 10:07.59 | ongolaBoy | hello (again :) ) . Is there a way to specify the kernel version I want to use in a preseed file ? |
| 10:08.31 | acemi | uname -r ? |
| 10:08.50 | Agiofws | it might not be running at all ? |
| 10:08.52 | Agiofws | Kamping_Kaiser, |
| 10:08.54 | lamstyle | Hi all |
| 10:09.01 | Agiofws | how do i check for its process ? |
| 10:09.01 | lamstyle | Who can help me? =) |
| 10:09.02 | shane_ | acemi: uname -r will let you know what kernel you are running |
| 10:09.19 | SandmanNet | Hmmm, this is really weird |
| 10:09.25 | SandmanNet | IP unknown... |
| 10:09.46 | SandmanNet | oh wait |
| 10:09.49 | shane_ | lamstyle: Noone until you specify your problem |
| 10:10.05 | Agiofws | isn't logrotate in init.d ? |
| 10:10.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | Agiofws: with ps? |
| 10:10.15 | lamstyle | ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/irc/znc-0.098 --enable-extra --enable-tcl --enable-perl --disable-swig |
| 10:10.15 | lamstyle | checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl |
| 10:10.15 | lamstyle | checking for perl_alloc in -lperl... no |
| 10:10.16 | lamstyle | configure: error: perl not found. Try --disable-perl. |
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| 10:10.18 | Agiofws | seems not |
| 10:10.21 | SandmanNet | Aha! |
| 10:10.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | fail |
| 10:10.28 | mentor | logrotate is called from cron |
| 10:10.31 | SandmanNet | I shouldn't have removed that line, I should have replaced it with the correct IP |
| 10:10.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | ,versions znc |
| 10:10.42 | judd | Package znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.098-2; wheezy: 0.098-2 |
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| 10:10.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | someone tell hima but ssb :p |
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| 10:14.56 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/160371 |
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| 10:17.13 | cusco | hi |
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| 10:17.38 | cusco | warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1455 package 'libstorable-perl' \\ error in Version string 'ELF': invalid character in revision number |
| 10:17.49 | cusco | what can I do? |
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| 10:18.41 | cusco | in /var/lib/dpkg/status there is: http://paste.debian.net/121254/ |
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| 10:18.55 | khali | nyov: thanks for the suggestion, I'll try that |
| 10:19.41 | cusco | I edited that file and changed the version to ~ |
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| 10:19.53 | nyov | khali: easy way: search for relase in aptitude changelog linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 10:20.07 | KanocX | Why I'm not able to login (530 login incorrect), although I configured anon-ftp? proftpd.conf --> http://pastebin.com/hFaR7gFi |
| 10:20.16 | babilen | !tell cusco about available |
| 10:20.17 | KanocX | does someone know? |
| 10:20.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | cusco: the file is corrupt |
| 10:20.25 | claw | is there any other way to make a speker sound then beep ? |
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| 10:21.31 | khali | nyov: works very nicely, thanks a lot! |
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| 10:23.16 | claw | echo -en "\007" makes a beep :) |
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| 10:24.20 | EvilMOiD | anyone know how to escalate a bug in debian? |
| 10:24.52 | shane_ | EvilM0iD: Why? |
| 10:25.15 | EvilMOiD | shrugs |
| 10:25.18 | EvilMOiD | to get it fixed? |
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| 10:25.35 | crilly | I'm having an interesting issue with apt - more specifically, I can't use apt-cache to find anything, or apt-get to install anything. I can communicate with the outside world from the server; I can perform 'apt-get update', and it updates; but I can't do 'apt-get install vlan' or 'apt-cache search vlan'. The form says no such package, and the latter simply returns no results. |
| 10:25.56 | crilly | I know the sources.list file is correct as the 'apt-get update' command works fine, and it does indeed update. |
| 10:26.05 | crilly | What else do I need to investigate and check here? |
| 10:26.59 | KanocX | crilly, did you compiled apt by yourself? |
| 10:27.29 | wols | crilly: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 10:27.42 | crilly | KanocX: Compile it? No. |
| 10:27.45 | crilly | wols: OK, one moment. |
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| 10:28.48 | wols | EvilMOiD: you cannot escalate. you can add to a bug which causes the maintainer to get notified about it again, but if you do it frivoulously it's a quick way to annoy him |
| 10:29.05 | wols | EvilMOiD: which bug is it? |
| 10:29.31 | crilly | wols: I can't pastebin it because of the way I am accessing the machine (HP iLO), but here's a screenshot: http://cl.ly/193d0A1Z3B1k131p431X |
| 10:29.35 | EvilMOiD | 622822 |
| 10:29.50 | crilly | wols: That's exactly the same as our other Debian Linux boxes, and they work fine. |
| 10:30.52 | wols | crilly: you have no main repo in your sources.list. and it's not like the other debian boxes. at least I hope it isn't |
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| 10:31.03 | wols | !tell crilly about squeeze sources.list |
| 10:31.34 | crilly | Ah yeah I've missed off the 'main'. |
| 10:31.35 | wols | crilly: look at the first "deb http" line in that factoid. that's what you lack |
| 10:32.46 | crilly | Thanks wols. I think my eyes refused to accept the difference between the two files :P |
| 10:33.18 | wols | too much "squeeze" "main" and "update" in there probably :) it all blurs together |
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| 10:33.26 | shane_ | EvilMOiD: How did you get to the bug? |
| 10:33.35 | crilly | yeah! hehe thanks again |
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| 10:35.23 | wols | EvilMOiD: any developer really loves to hunt down some random segfault without any hint where and how it happens. it's what they live for |
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| 10:37.11 | wols | since it was supposed to be fixed, include the bugnumber of the old bug. try different libmilter versions to see if that might solve the segfault, another way to help devs. etc |
| 10:38.00 | fossala | Does anyone know a way of locking a console running tmux? I tried vlock but it only locks a single frame. |
| 10:38.05 | wols | ,versions libmilter |
| 10:38.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libmilter' was found in i386. |
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| 10:41.32 | fossala | Setting it as the lock command in tmux works. |
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| 10:52.47 | tinton | hey! |
| 10:52.59 | wols | yes= |
| 10:53.03 | wols | ? |
| 10:53.17 | tinton | got a question: what way do you recommend to list all/most (public) subdirs of a website/server? |
| 10:53.20 | tinton | wget/curl? |
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| 10:54.17 | wols | quietly wonders how this is debian support related |
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| 10:55.00 | tinton | can't enter #linux and don't want to register right now... |
| 10:55.02 | tinton | ;) |
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| 10:59.48 | nordx | hm |
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| 11:04.09 | mark76 | Debian Xfce is still on 4.4 in Squeeze? |
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| 11:06.57 | sanderj_ | How can I get ssh to listen to both port 22 and some other high port? |
| 11:07.03 | sanderj_ | sshd |
| 11:08.29 | Tobias| | right up the top of the sshd_config file you have "# What ports, IPs and protocols we listen for |
| 11:08.29 | Tobias| | Port 22" |
| 11:08.40 | khali | sanderj_: just put multiple Port statements in your config file |
| 11:08.48 | Tobias| | Change that to "Port 22", newline, "Port 12345" |
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| 11:11.06 | Miesco | How would I get blender 2.5 on squeeze? |
| 11:11.11 | Miesco | ,version blender |
| 11:11.27 | Miesco | !version blender |
| 11:11.32 | Miesco | !versions blender |
| 11:11.45 | Miesco | ,versions blender |
| 11:11.46 | judd | Package blender on i386 -- lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b2; squeeze-multimedia: 2.49.2~dfsg-2.1; wheezy: 2.56.1-beta-svn34076-1; sid: 2.58-svn37702-1 |
| 11:12.08 | Miesco | wheezy |
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| 11:12.31 | Miesco | I'll see if its in backports |
| 11:12.32 | wols | !tell Miesco about ssb |
| 11:13.26 | sanderj_ | Tobias|, khali: thanks. |
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| 11:36.10 | Mohooa | Hellol to all members, I have a quick question : How I can connect to the TOR network over/through VPN connection I use OpenVPN Vidala and Firefox with TorButton. Thank you. |
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| 11:37.23 | avheoz | Mohooa: enable your vpn, then enable torbutton? |
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| 11:38.27 | Mohooa | I connect to vpn via sudo openvpn --coonfig vpnconf.ovpn |
| 11:38.57 | Mohooa | But how I know that tor uses the vpn connection? |
| 11:39.45 | avheoz | well i assume your vpn takes down all other interfaces, right? |
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| 11:39.59 | avheoz | at least, there should be no way for it to connect to the outside world without going through your vpn |
| 11:40.24 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 11:40.25 | lancelot_of | it's quite tedious what happens on my machine.if i leave the system unactive for more than 10-15 minutes the X session crashes and reloads on gdm login window. it's really annoying 'cause often i've to leave some processes running (simulations) while i'm doing other things. Any suggestions?Is it a known xorg/whatever bug? |
| 11:40.35 | Mohooa | Tue Jun 28 07:22:24 2011 /sbin/ifconfig tun0 10.100.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 mtu 1500 broadcast 10.100.1.255 |
| 11:41.11 | fossala | lancelot_of: Is it the screensaver crashing? Try disableing it. |
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| 11:41.24 | avheoz | lancelot_of: are you running anything such as gnome session that might spawn a screensaver or something else? does this also occur if you start X by yourself, just as X :1 and run your programs on there (DISPLAY=:1 xterm) |
| 11:41.45 | avheoz | lancelot_of: (or pick the most basic session you can find when logging in through gdm) |
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| 11:47.47 | sanderj_ | How can I deny access to some IP class to sshd? |
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| 11:48.05 | sanderj_ | from some IP class* |
| 11:48.25 | rozie | sanderj_: iptables? hosts.deny? |
| 11:48.28 | abrotman | sanderj_: is there a method in the sshd_config ? |
| 11:48.35 | abrotman | or is that only to allow |
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| 11:51.53 | sanderj_ | abrotman, I search for deny in the sshd_config's man page.. not many results. |
| 11:52.12 | sanderj_ | rozie, are you sure hosts.deny works for sshd? |
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| 11:53.07 | abrotman | yes, it should |
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| 11:56.15 | sanderj_ | abrotman, rozie: Yeah. it worked :-) |
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| 12:05.18 | Javache | Hi, does anyone have any pointers on moving a dmraid-disk to a mdadm-managed one? |
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| 12:13.48 | lancelot_of | fossala, avheoz it happens even with xscreensaver shutted down |
| 12:14.00 | lancelot_of | http://paste.debian.net/121260/ |
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| 12:14.51 | lancelot_of | avheoz, and no gnome session. i use gdm as display manager and then i3wm called through .xinitrc |
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| 12:25.42 | synflag | hi all |
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| 12:25.49 | synflag | the best way for install debian kde, is 1) install debian testing, remove gnome and install kde 2) install |
| 12:25.50 | synflag | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.50 | synflag | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.10 | synflag | using testing, obviously |
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| 12:26.43 | abrotman | why do you have to use testing at all ? |
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| 12:27.22 | boudiccas | synflag; i unstalled kde on squeeze with no problems, you dont need the testing repo |
| 12:27.35 | boudiccas | installed |
| 12:27.57 | synflag | i want use testing, for "rolling release" |
| 12:28.36 | synflag | squeeze is new now, today, in 6 months is old |
| 12:29.01 | boudiccas | synflag; so? |
| 12:29.12 | synflag | i want use testing branch |
| 12:29.13 | Atritas | synflag: There is no "best" way per se... It all depends on your requirements, your likings and above all what level of control you want to have over your installed packages (minimum required/max. compatibility/etc.) |
| 12:29.40 | synflag | Atritas, is a simple question |
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| 12:30.30 | synflag | netinstall of stable, without any desktop, change repos to testing. Stable KDE is too old kde version |
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| 12:30.45 | Atritas | synflag: Your question is about the "best way to install". IMHO the question should really be "What would you like to achieve?" |
| 12:30.56 | avheoz | lancelot_of: it just look so similar to other opengl problems, such as http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-858322-start-0.html |
| 12:30.56 | lancelot_of | synflag, using testing distro has sense only if you have to test packages or if you're developer |
| 12:31.26 | avheoz | lancelot_of: have you tried just running a barebones stand alone x, without gdm, just as a test to see whether that lives? |
| 12:31.29 | lolcat_ | lancelot_of: Or if you need a new feature |
| 12:31.32 | abrotman | synflag: testing is not really a rolling release |
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| 12:31.50 | synflag | testing debian works fine... is not for developers. |
| 12:32.05 | boudiccas | synflag; BS |
| 12:32.05 | abrotman | synflag: and uh .. the version of kde in squeeze is almost the same as the one in wheezy |
| 12:32.18 | abrotman | judd: versions kdebase-bin |
| 12:32.19 | judd | Package kdebase-bin on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; sid: 4:4.6.3-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.3-1 |
| 12:32.27 | synflag | abrotman, not?, mmm, mint debian based say "rolling", so, i want debian, not mint and debian mixed |
| 12:32.29 | abrotman | that's a pretty minor change |
| 12:32.43 | abrotman | synflag: mint can say whatever they want .. doesn't make it right |
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| 12:33.00 | Atritas | synflag: If you want to use more current KDE (but not that much more :-) ) and don't care about the occasional bug or breakage (possibly) feel free to use Testing. |
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| 12:33.28 | synflag | right |
| 12:33.36 | pecenipicek | hello fellow debianites, could someone explain to me how do i change the default kernel to boot in grub? |
| 12:33.39 | synflag | testing =) |
| 12:33.45 | lancelot_of | avheoz, should i stop gdm to do so, right?and then launch X from console |
| 12:33.47 | Atritas | synflag: If you absolutely don't want any Gnome on your system, do a minimum install and then install KDE. |
| 12:33.48 | lolcat_ | Is aptosid a good distrbution? |
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| 12:34.15 | synflag | ok, but, testing-kde, no iso images in repo, then, best way?, netinstall>change repos>install kde ?. |
| 12:34.30 | avheoz | lancelot_of: yeah just log in on console, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop then run X :0 and run a DISPLAY=:0 xterm from that same console as well.. it is a wild guess but it eliminates a few things |
| 12:34.31 | synflag | Atritas, right, perfect! |
| 12:34.45 | avheoz | lancelot_of: i've read through https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=117669 but they don't have a real solution either :/ |
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| 12:35.30 | Atritas | synflag: there are weekly builds of Testing IIRC. |
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| 12:36.34 | avheoz | lancelot_of: another fairly lame alternative would be to try this without any hardware accel at all, by forcing DRI off, as described here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes#Workaround_E:_Disable_DRI |
| 12:36.44 | avheoz | lancelot_of: just to try and eliminate other sources of crashes |
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| 12:37.51 | lancelot_of | avheoz, indeed in my Xorg.0.log.old i've a lot of DRI errors |
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| 12:38.26 | abrotman | Atritas: it's a bit more than occasional .. i believe both nvidia and ati are broken currently |
| 12:38.38 | abrotman | so if synflag uses one of those, he won't be able to see KDE anyway |
| 12:38.39 | lancelot_of | avheoz, and an error relative to module synaptics. My touchpad, indeed, just moves cursor without being able to click. Dunno how to fix |
| 12:39.16 | lancelot_of | avheoz, anyway i must exit now in order to run a new X session away from gdm |
| 12:39.53 | Atritas | abrotman: Maybe, but synflag seems very determined nevertheless to use Testing anyway despite other suggestions :-) |
| 12:39.53 | avheoz | lancelot_of: do you have a Option "TapButton1" "1" someplace? |
| 12:40.04 | avheoz | lancelot_of: at least according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics that ought to be there |
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| 12:40.25 | synflag | Atritas, i use in the past Sid KDE and any trouble, more bugs have ArchLinux |
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| 12:40.31 | avheoz | slightly afkish |
| 12:40.32 | abrotman | Atritas: which is pretty f'in dumb ... squeeze and wheezy have almost the same KDE version .. and synflag will just end up with a broken system |
| 12:40.43 | synflag | And all people say "arch the best" XD |
| 12:40.51 | Atritas | abrotman: see? |
| 12:40.53 | synflag | no the same |
| 12:41.00 | synflag | testing 4.6.3 |
| 12:41.14 | abrotman | judd: versions kdebase-bin |
| 12:41.14 | judd | Package kdebase-bin on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; sid: 4:4.6.3-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.3-1 |
| 12:41.30 | synflag | =) |
| 12:41.37 | abrotman | you mean to tell me that the difference beteween 4.4.x and 4.6.x is that much that it's worth having no X at all ? |
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| 12:41.58 | synflag | the difference is bugfixes |
| 12:41.59 | lolcat_ | abrotman: No X gives a certain more geekness to your desktop though |
| 12:42.10 | abrotman | and your uh .. KDE |
| 12:42.16 | lolcat_ | Is there a restricted drivers program for debain like for ubuntu? |
| 12:42.20 | abrotman | ascii KDE! the new wave of cool! |
| 12:42.29 | abrotman | lolcat_: yes .. the firmware* packages |
| 12:42.37 | lancelot_of | avheoz, http://paste.debian.net/121263/ |
| 12:42.41 | lolcat_ | apt-get install firmware*? |
| 12:42.51 | abrotman | lolcat_: you can search for them .. you likely don't need them all |
| 12:43.05 | Atritas | abrotman: I wouldn't say dumb. It's everyone's own decision. synflag will either succeed or fail, nevertheless he will learn from it. I believe everyone has its own reasons for regarding or disregarding decisions. It's not my right to judge... |
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| 12:43.26 | pecenipicek | as a side note, the latest nvidia drivers install requires a kernel recompile or gcc downgrade. which one would be simpler? i went with the former. latter only crossed my mind afterwards. |
| 12:43.29 | lolcat_ | apt-get install firmware* didn't work :/ |
| 12:43.47 | abrotman | pecenipicek: probably the former .. |
| 12:43.50 | lolcat_ | I need an intel driver for my gpu |
| 12:43.56 | abrotman | lolcat_: you do? |
| 12:44.00 | pecenipicek | abrotman, i went with that :p |
| 12:44.08 | abrotman | those drivers are open source .. they don't have firmware, they aren't non-free |
| 12:44.36 | lolcat_ | abrotman: I don't? Won't hardware acceleration speed up 3D things? And playback of 720p? |
| 12:45.02 | pecenipicek | but this new grub is confusing the living hell out of me. how do i even configure which option should be the default boot? |
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| 12:45.17 | abrotman | lolcat_: it should already have it .. intel doesn't have drivers like ati/nvidia .. they don't require all kinds of extra work |
| 12:45.31 | lolcat_ | that sounds nice |
| 12:46.11 | lolcat_ | abrotman: I got a second Dell Latitude D630. I am thinking of upgrading to 4gb ram and adding a SSD when my girlfriend gets a job. Is that a good debian computer? |
| 12:46.23 | pecenipicek | abrotman, intelgrateds arent known for being linux friendly in any other way than "basic framebuffer and f-off" :p |
| 12:47.16 | abrotman | lolcat_: i don't buy Dell hardware, that model number means nothing to me |
| 12:47.49 | abrotman | pecenipicek: not sure the last time you used one .. the intel cards are very nice and don't require the hoops to jump through like ati/nvidia |
| 12:47.50 | pecenipicek | lolcat_ , what do you even plan to do on that machine? |
| 12:48.03 | pecenipicek | abrotman, that would be "never" :p |
| 12:48.06 | Selveste1 | lolcat_: A Dell computer is not the same from one day to another, even if the same model number on the box, but give it a try |
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| 12:48.33 | lolcat_ | abrotman: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHz, 80gb hdd, a intel gpu, firmware-iwlwifi compatible wireless, and a battery. |
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| 12:48.34 | abrotman | pecenipicek: so you don't have any experience .. you're just saying stuff? |
| 12:48.42 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Any ideas about the strange versionong number? 6.0.2.1.. .never seen anything like that |
| 12:48.47 | abrotman | lolcat_: that'd be great with Debian |
| 12:48.50 | pecenipicek | its just what i read at some point in the last few months. intelgrateds arent known for their OGL friendlyness nor for any sort of good performance in the 3D area. |
| 12:49.03 | abrotman | hid3: it happens .. they made a goof relating to kfreebsd |
| 12:49.05 | lolcat_ | Selveste1: Computing, checking facebook, emails, writing stuff, |
| 12:49.08 | pecenipicek | abrotman, no, i have experience with people complaining of such :p |
| 12:49.12 | hid3 | again... |
| 12:49.18 | abrotman | hid3: you'll live |
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| 12:49.19 | hid3 | we had 6.0.1a IIRC |
| 12:49.28 | hid3 | abrotman: r u sure? what if not?! |
| 12:49.34 | lolcat_ | I am a student, I mostly need some office package to write stuff, and spotify, vlc, a browser, filezilla, and irssi. |
| 12:49.57 | abrotman | pecenipicek: not a single complaint .. i've been buying laptops with intel gpus for ages .. they've done everything i've asked |
| 12:50.01 | abrotman | hid3: yes .. i'm sure |
| 12:50.08 | pecenipicek | also, abrotman, you cant tell me that nouveau is a good alternative to nvidia's drivers? (ignoring the whole proprietary vs non-prop/opensource) |
| 12:50.19 | hid3 | good to know then. Ifeel more self-confident now |
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| 12:50.55 | pecenipicek | abrotman, does that "everything i've asked" at any point involve some actually GPU demanding app? |
| 12:51.00 | abrotman | pecenipicek: i don't buy nvidia hardware .. i know that noveau is working hard to eliminate the need for the binary junk .. but in my eyes, if noveau succeeds, it will be better than the nvidia.com stuff |
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| 12:51.15 | Selveste1 | pecenipicek: non of the intelgratends have high-pre. 3D not even on a M$ os, but I have to say that my laptop is running grate with Debian, and it have an intel something card, at 720p HiDef no problems |
| 12:51.18 | abrotman | pecenipicek: 3d games like nexiuz or whatever it's called .. i uesd to render stuff in blender too |
| 12:52.08 | pecenipicek | rendering in blender relies on the CPU only. (and the working overview demands GPU, but not so much really) |
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| 12:52.18 | pecenipicek | so nexuiz worked smoothly? |
| 12:52.21 | abrotman | pecenipicek: i meant the playback for testing :) |
| 12:52.36 | pecenipicek | heh |
| 12:52.36 | abrotman | yeah, though this laptop is only about a year old .. nexiuz played fine |
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| 12:52.48 | pecenipicek | thats good to hear. |
| 12:53.02 | pecenipicek | but i bet ya FreespaceOpen would end up broken on that :p |
| 12:53.16 | abrotman | is it in Debian ? |
| 12:53.26 | pecenipicek | naw. |
| 12:53.36 | pecenipicek | it wont ever go into any distro most likely. |
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| 12:53.41 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 12:53.49 | pecenipicek | too small userbase and the code is not GPL-able anyhow. |
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| 12:54.51 | pecenipicek | anyhow, about nouveau, i have low hopes for it. it comes with debian by default apparently, and yesterday, you know the transition when gksudo pops up? the way it dims the background a bit. yeah, lets just say that the transition was choppy and leave it at that. |
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| 12:55.47 | abrotman | pecenipicek: it's a young project .. give it time |
| 12:56.20 | pecenipicek | hey, when they make it so that i can jump into any 3D game without it giving any problems, then i'll use it :p |
| 12:56.43 | pecenipicek | since it doesnt really work properly yet for my needs, its unfortunately useless to me. |
| 12:56.57 | pecenipicek | also, the kernel recompile yesterday took two bloody hours to complete -.- |
| 12:57.09 | pecenipicek | i shouldve pruned out everything unnecesary... |
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| 12:57.44 | abrotman | or get a faster computer :) |
| 12:57.52 | abrotman | or change the CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 12:57.53 | pecenipicek | on the agenda eventually :p |
| 12:58.11 | pecenipicek | i changed the concurrency to 2, since i got a dual core AMD 7750 x2 |
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| 12:59.30 | abrotman | probably could have gone to 3 |
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| 13:00.32 | casts | heh. talking about nvidia vs nouveau but ignoring the proprietary aspect...seems...crazy |
| 13:00.34 | pecenipicek | btw, how do i change the default browser to be opened for links in debian? my irc client opens the links in the "Web Browser 2.30.6" |
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| 13:01.07 | abrotman | pecenipicek: that's epiphany |
| 13:01.14 | pecenipicek | casts, why? i'm not particularily invested into either side of the debate and i just want something that works. and nouveau doesnt. |
| 13:01.29 | pecenipicek | abrotman, yeah, that. how do i change the system default to iceweasel? |
| 13:01.36 | nevyn | pecenipicek: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 13:01.43 | casts | pecenipicek: for us, here, there is no debate. |
| 13:01.45 | abrotman | system->preferences-> preferred applications or whatever it is in gnome |
| 13:01.54 | nevyn | or that. |
| 13:02.15 | pecenipicek | thanks. |
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| 13:02.27 | pecenipicek | cant believe i completely missed the preferred applications thing... |
| 13:02.39 | pecenipicek | casts, of course. and i'm not disputing that at all. |
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| 13:03.36 | cire_nonick | I need a simple software to make 3d graphics for educational püurpose. I only need geometric objects like pyramid, sphere, cylinder, etc. No real CAD software is needed. Does there exist an easy solution? (a maths teacher needs this for generating graphics for his teaching) |
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| 13:03.52 | pecenipicek | btw, will iceweasel ever be updated to firefox 4/5 level? |
| 13:04.03 | pecenipicek | cire_nonick, blender maybe? |
| 13:04.18 | pecenipicek | but its not really simple :p |
| 13:04.21 | cire_nonick | blender? This seems to be overkill, but I am not sure. |
| 13:04.23 | casts | cire_nonick: povray is easy enough, |
| 13:04.33 | abrotman | pecenipicek: mozilla.debian.net .. keep the broken bits |
| 13:05.14 | pecenipicek | abrotman, what broken bits? |
| 13:05.20 | casts | scratch that! its in non-free ^_^ |
| 13:06.25 | abrotman | pecenipicek: any that might be there :) |
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| 13:06.54 | pecenipicek | stability uber alles for debian, eh? :p |
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| 13:07.38 | abrotman | just saying, those aren't heavily tested ... they're done by the mozilla team |
| 13:08.26 | pecenipicek | i'm not too hot about FF4/5 so, its not really a problem for me anyhow :p |
| 13:08.40 | pecenipicek | it was refreshing to see the old-style interface in iceweasel anyhow. |
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| 13:19.12 | sanderj_ | Anyone know the time diffrence between EDT time and GMT time? |
| 13:19.41 | petemc | 5 hours? |
| 13:19.42 | bolt | How can I find all changes done to files in /etc compared to the original packages installed? |
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| 13:20.21 | stew | sanderj_: 4 hours (EST is 5 hours) |
| 13:20.26 | nkuttler | bolt: why do you want to do that? |
| 13:20.56 | petemc | stew: what time is it there? |
| 13:21.06 | petemc | 09:20 ? |
| 13:21.08 | stew | bolt: there is no easy way since some are conffiles, some are managed with ucf, some are managed by scripts, some are managed by some other method |
| 13:21.18 | stew | petemc: yes |
| 13:21.26 | bolt | nkuttler: reinstalling with a different distribution. ubuntu to debian at this point. need to figure out what the previous owner did |
| 13:21.32 | petemc | isnt that 5 hours difference? |
| 13:22.00 | stew | Tue Jun 28 13:21:56 UTC 2011 |
| 13:22.08 | stew | Tue Jun 28 09:22:04 EDT 2011 |
| 13:22.10 | petemc | he asked about gmt ? |
| 13:22.15 | nkuttler | bolt: what stew said |
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| 13:22.34 | stew | ah, oops |
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| 13:23.34 | sanderj_ | Wondring how long time its untill 10am EDT. |
| 13:23.45 | petemc | 37 mins |
| 13:23.50 | stew | sanderj_: 36 minutes |
| 13:23.57 | sanderj_ | Ok :-) |
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| 13:25.13 | petemc | aol |
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| 13:31.42 | lancelot_of | avheoz, now no other error messages in Xorg.0.log apart from synaptics |
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| 13:32.22 | lancelot_of | avheoz, but in order to test i should put my hands away from the keyboard for a while... ;) |
| 13:34.50 | cordell | Is it safe to assume that if I try kfreebsd/Debian 6 that my graphics, intel i915, won't work if they didnt work when i tried PCBSD 9.0 |
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| 13:39.17 | abrotman | !kfreebsd |
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| 13:39.34 | abrotman | bleh .. dpkg went away |
| 13:39.47 | abrotman | cordell: there is #debian-kfreebsd on irc.oftc.net, they may know more |
| 13:40.49 | daemonkeeper | cordell: Chances are, as both, PCBSD and kfreebsd are based on the same kerne |
| 13:40.51 | daemonkeeper | *kernel |
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| 13:41.27 | bst | abrotman: <reply>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:42.49 | abrotman | oh .. i was clos eon the channel |
| 13:43.51 | bst | paste from site irc.debian.net |
| 13:44.22 | stew | Host irc.debian.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 13:44.50 | daemonkeeper | .org |
| 13:45.02 | stew | (no, he means ircbots.debian.net) |
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| 13:45.29 | rengo | http://1.ooskar.com working? |
| 13:45.30 | zeroXten | does anything special need to happen when creating a deb package for a kernel module? |
| 13:45.33 | bst | sorry http://ircbots.debian.net/ |
| 13:45.42 | daemonkeeper | zeroXten: DKMS or traditional? |
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| 13:46.01 | zeroXten | hmm, good question |
| 13:46.01 | daemonkeeper | Anyway, in both cases the answer is: sort of. |
| 13:46.05 | zeroXten | :) |
| 13:46.08 | zeroXten | do tell |
| 13:47.00 | daemonkeeper | Well, I'm not particularly familiar wih kernel module packages, the quintessence is, they are usually shipped as source package and provide hooks for dkms or m-a only. |
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| 13:47.14 | daemonkeeper | dh_make has a template for m-a modules |
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| 13:47.27 | zeroXten | ah ok |
| 13:47.28 | daemonkeeper | For DKMS you can steal the auto-builder skeleton and adapt |
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| 13:47.48 | daemonkeeper | Anyway, #debian-mentors is the place to ask. |
| 13:47.55 | Lalloso | hello, i'm on a debian squeeze |
| 13:47.58 | daemonkeeper | On OFTC that is. |
| 13:48.14 | Lalloso | i'm trying to install debian packages for amule 2.3.1 rc1 |
| 13:48.24 | Lalloso | amule-daemon in particular |
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| 13:48.44 | Lalloso | i don't understand how to achieve this neither with aptitude nor with apt-get |
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| 13:49.07 | Lalloso | i see know 2 versions of the packages amule-daemon |
| 13:49.17 | Lalloso | with apt-cache showpkg amule-daemon |
| 13:49.27 | Lalloso | but how can i choose which one to install? |
| 13:50.24 | mohamed-ragab | i have problem " fail to start bind " get me this message "rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
| 13:50.33 | mohamed-ragab | how to resolve this problem |
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| 13:51.02 | sir-lanchelot | mohamed-ragab: I think you need rndy.key on your named.conf..maybe |
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| 13:52.42 | lolcat_ | Lalloso: Choose the most recent one? |
| 13:53.04 | Lalloso | yes |
| 13:53.13 | Lalloso | i come from slackware |
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| 13:53.19 | Lalloso | pkg are "simpler" :) |
| 13:53.33 | mohamed-ragab | sir-lanchelot, i have rndy.key |
| 13:53.37 | Lalloso | now i'm trying with apt-get install amule-daemon=2.3.1~rc1-1 |
| 13:53.49 | Lalloso | but since i'm on squeeze it will find unmet dependencies |
| 13:54.00 | Lalloso | i hoped to be able to install this packages without running into a distro upgrade |
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| 13:54.12 | Lalloso | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/armel/amule-daemon/download |
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| 13:56.03 | Lalloso | i have two repos in my sources list |
| 13:56.10 | Lalloso | one is experimental |
| 13:56.24 | Lalloso | i'm wondering how to tell apt to get needed unmet from there |
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| 14:01.14 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: mixing experimental with stable is likely to cause a lot of breakage and is neither advised nor supported in here |
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| 14:01.26 | Lalloso | I see |
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| 14:01.41 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: if you require more up to date packages /msg dpkg backports |
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| 14:02.20 | Lalloso | very interesting thank you |
| 14:02.27 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: or, if backports doesn't meet your needs, I suggest upgrading to wheezy and pulling individual packages from sid |
| 14:02.29 | Lalloso | where can i find a good intro about all this debian stuff? |
| 14:02.49 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ |
| 14:02.56 | Lalloso | i've read that |
| 14:03.02 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 14:04.36 | Lalloso | but for example i know have deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian experimental main in my sources.list |
| 14:05.02 | Lalloso | my amule-daemon=2.3.1 is there |
| 14:05.12 | twobitsprite | ,versions amule-daemon |
| 14:05.14 | judd | Package amule-daemon on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.1-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.2.1-1+lenny2; squeeze: 2.2.6+debian0-8; sid: 2.2.6+debian0-9+b1; wheezy: 2.2.6+debian0-9+b1; experimental: 2.3.1~rc1-1 |
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| 14:05.18 | Lalloso | do i expect to find also the required dependencies for that packages? |
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| 14:05.25 | thelastninja | I want to force the sudo command to ask me a password, but it doesnt. I added the line "myuser ALL=ALL" and also "myuser ALL=PASSWD:ALL" but no success, Each time I use sudo it doesnt ask me any password and simply runs my commands as root. |
| 14:05.30 | stew | Lalloso: they might not exist. experimental can be horribly broken |
| 14:05.34 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: in experimental you can't really expect anything |
| 14:05.35 | Lalloso | ah i see |
| 14:05.36 | thelastninja | How do i force sudo to ask me password ? |
| 14:05.37 | twobitsprite | what stew said |
| 14:05.39 | twobitsprite | !experimental |
| 14:05.40 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 14:06.10 | Lalloso | ah okay |
| 14:06.15 | Lalloso | so even if it says amule-daemon : Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.5) but 4.4.5-8 is to be installed |
| 14:06.33 | Lalloso | ,versions libstdc++6 |
| 14:06.33 | judd | Package libstdc++6 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.6.0-10; sid: 4.6.1-1 |
| 14:06.43 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: that's likely because the rest of your system depends on libstdc++=4.4 |
| 14:07.06 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: have you installed any packages since you put experimental on your sources? |
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| 14:07.30 | Lalloso | just amule-common |
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| 14:07.48 | Lalloso | why apt-cache search libstdc++6 returns no output on my system ? |
| 14:07.57 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: ok... uninstall that, then remove experimental from your sources... we need to find a better way to get that version on your system |
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| 14:09.18 | Lalloso | okay done |
| 14:09.19 | thelastninja | I want to force the sudo command to ask me a password, but it doesnt. I added the line "myuser ALL=ALL" and also "myuser ALL=PASSWD:ALL" but no success, Each time I use sudo it doesnt ask me any password and simply runs my commands as root. How do i force sudo to ask me password ? |
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| 14:09.51 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: since amule 2.3.1 is only in experimental, if you *really* need that version, I'd recommend building it from upstream source and installing to /usr/local |
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| 14:10.13 | Lalloso | you mean ./configure and stuff like that? |
| 14:10.16 | twobitsprite | or you can wait a week or two and see if it makes its way in to testing |
| 14:10.20 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: yes |
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| 14:10.33 | Lalloso | well it's a brand new version after a couple of years i think they have solved tons of bugs |
| 14:10.40 | Lalloso | 2.2.6 isn't really stable |
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| 14:11.24 | Lalloso | if it will be in testing it will be possible to install it on stable too? |
| 14:11.28 | twobitsprite | well, it will likely be at least a week if not a few weeks until it makes its way into testing |
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| 14:11.51 | stew | Lalloso: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 14:12.33 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: generally no... if you're running stable you're advised to stick with backports (which is packages from testing which have been backported to stable)... however you can upgrade to the testing branch to get more recent packages... |
| 14:12.56 | Lalloso | i'm running squeeze on a seagate dockstar |
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| 14:13.20 | stew | Lalloso: you really don't want to be using packages from testing/unstable/(and especially)experimental on stable without backporting |
| 14:13.25 | twobitsprite | Lalloso: but testing is prone to occasional breakage (but it's usually very reliable) and isn't recommended to users new to debian unless you're otherwise very familiar with linux or are a fast learner with lots of free time |
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| 14:13.38 | Lalloso | i will look further into these backports |
| 14:13.53 | Lalloso | free time is rare these days |
| 14:13.59 | Lalloso | but thanks a lot for your help guys |
| 14:14.03 | twobitsprite | np |
| 14:14.05 | stew | Lalloso: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:14.18 | Lalloso | you prompted me in the right direction with backports hopefully |
| 14:14.25 | stew | Lalloso: but if libstdc++ is not available for you, somehting else is wrong |
| 14:14.31 | Lalloso | i will look into them and maybe b back here next days |
| 14:14.51 | Lalloso | well |
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| 14:15.11 | Lalloso | i think it's a matter of libstdc++ vs libstc++6 |
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| 14:17.50 | Lalloso | it depends what you throw at apt-cache search |
| 14:18.05 | thelastninja | I found the problem: I already gave him my password and now after a few minutes it doesnt ask me password again until time expires |
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| 14:18.14 | Lalloso | ,versions libstdc++ |
| 14:18.15 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libstdc++' was found in i386. |
| 14:18.21 | Lalloso | ,versions libstdc++6 |
| 14:18.23 | judd | Package libstdc++6 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.6.0-10; sid: 4.6.1-1 |
| 14:18.46 | Lalloso | maybe the package name is different since i'm on armel |
| 14:18.57 | Lalloso | who knows :) |
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| 14:24.12 | dynamite | Hey - Im trying to setup a few accounts on my server to be jailed shellaccounts with limited system access only. Can someone point me towards a working debian tutorial? the debian.org one doesnt seem to be all that working. |
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| 14:26.17 | kzmrbtx | is it already possible to enter a hexadecimal WEP key in Debian to connect to a WEP network instead of entering a string literal? |
| 14:26.37 | kzmrbtx | ie. a wep hex key can be AB:CD:E1:23:45 which is impossible to enter as an ascii string |
| 14:27.07 | twobitsprite | dynamite: what's not working about it? |
| 14:27.52 | dynamite | urgs - i'd have to re-iterate through it. |
| 14:27.56 | dynamite | twobitsprite: will do so. |
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| 14:28.24 | twobitsprite | dynamite: I don't know of any other tutorials other than googling, which I'm sure you've done... but if you post your specific problem in here I'm sure someone might be able to help you |
| 14:28.55 | ajikeshi | kzmrbtx, why is that key impossible to enter? |
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| 14:30.37 | kzmrbtx | ajikeshi, because you can only enter a key as a string of ascii characters, not as hex values |
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| 14:31.00 | quebra | hi |
| 14:31.02 | ajikeshi | oh |
| 14:31.16 | quebra | how do i change default language to english in X ? |
| 14:31.17 | ajikeshi | why dont you convert the hex values to ascii and paste it? |
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| 14:33.04 | kzmrbtx | ajikeshi, i did that, it works for hex values which translate well to printable ascii values, but with AB:CD:E1:23:45 it's impossible, as this yields unprintable characters which i'm moreover unable to copy/paste (i tried this with a converter script i wrote) |
| 14:33.31 | kzmrbtx | and such workarounds shouldn't even be necessary |
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| 14:33.45 | kzmrbtx | i might write a patch |
| 14:33.48 | ajikeshi | mhhh |
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| 14:48.18 | MrFrood | flash |
| 14:48.23 | MrFrood | oops |
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| 14:50.37 | dynamite | omg - i just accidently deleted the contents of /dev/ |
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| 14:50.49 | dynamite | how do I go on recovering the entire lot? MAKEDEV |
| 14:50.54 | abrotman | reboot |
| 14:50.57 | dynamite | MAKEDEV * doenst seem to work |
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| 14:51.03 | dynamite | reboot necessary? |
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| 14:51.37 | dynamite | abrotman: will that fix it? |
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| 14:52.08 | abrotman | it should |
| 14:52.13 | stew | dynamite: try "udevadm trigger" |
| 14:52.14 | abrotman | you might wan tto make sure at least /dev/ is there |
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| 14:52.31 | dynamite | okay, it is. |
| 14:52.45 | dynamite | damn - i was creating a chroot environment and had /dev mounted there... |
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| 14:53.20 | dynamite | abrotman: and /proc was also there - will that be fixed too? |
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| 15:04.23 | volk | how do I disable the GUI login when Debian starts up? |
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| 15:04.54 | wols | !nodm |
| 15:04.55 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 15:05.22 | quebra | how do i change default language to english in X ? |
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| 15:06.31 | wols | quebra: only in X but not in console? or both? |
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| 15:08.05 | quebra | wols: both but i've set it in console, just doesn't work when i run startx |
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| 15:08.22 | dym | abrotman: It doesnt boot anymore |
| 15:08.23 | dym | :/ |
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| 15:09.25 | jaiball | would doing an apt-get upgrade that installs a linux-image update tell me if I need to reboot? |
| 15:09.28 | dym | I have just accidently removed parts of /proc and /dev of my system - Now it stopped booting. What should I do? |
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| 15:09.47 | daemonkeeper | ehm |
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| 15:09.57 | wols | quebra: and how did you do it in console? |
| 15:10.13 | quebra | export LANG=C |
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| 15:10.16 | wols | jaiball: yes, installing a new kernel means a reboot to use that new kernel |
| 15:10.18 | abrotman | dym: have a liveCD handy? |
| 15:10.18 | quebra | in /etc/profile ;) |
| 15:10.27 | dym | abrotman: remote server - i could boot into a rescue |
| 15:10.33 | stew | dym: you only need to worry about /dev, /proc isn't a real filesystem |
| 15:10.34 | wols | !tell quebra about locale |
| 15:10.38 | daemonkeeper | You can't delete (most) in /proc, for /dev (most) is dynamically created |
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| 15:10.49 | wols | quebra: I'd try LANG= in /etc/environment |
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| 15:11.13 | dym | stew: okay - it wont boot now. Its a system with a 3ware HW raid |
| 15:11.17 | jaiball | wols thanks |
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| 15:11.23 | quebra | alright |
| 15:11.26 | wols | quebra: /msg dpkg locales it is. forgot a s |
| 15:11.28 | quebra | line added, restarting X |
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| 15:11.50 | quebra | oh |
| 15:11.52 | quebra | ;) |
| 15:12.09 | dym | abrotman: on the rescue now. |
| 15:12.12 | stew | dym: i'd try booting a rescue system, chroot into the install and running MAKEDEV in /dev |
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| 15:12.30 | dym | stew: /dev seems populated. |
| 15:12.51 | stew | dym: what happens when you try to boot the system? |
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| 15:13.12 | dym | stew: mhh - sd devices arent there. |
| 15:13.13 | quebra | works |
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| 15:13.24 | quebra | i dont even needed to restart X :) |
| 15:13.29 | quebra | ty |
| 15:13.39 | stew | dym: did you recently change kernels? |
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| 15:13.51 | dym | stew: a while ago - kernel upgrade |
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| 15:14.00 | dym | but this must be an "removing the dev's" issue |
| 15:14.05 | stew | ok |
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| 15:14.32 | dym | stew: it wont boot cause its lacking the sd devices |
| 15:14.36 | dym | i'd guess |
| 15:14.47 | stew | dym: that's why I'm recommending you try remaking them |
| 15:14.55 | dym | MAKEDEV had no effect |
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| 15:15.10 | stew | dym: you are chrooted into your system? |
| 15:15.14 | dym | yes |
| 15:15.20 | dym | http://paste.debian.net/121288/ |
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| 15:15.31 | stew | dym: are you looking at /dev from your install or bind mounted from the rescue system? |
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| 15:15.43 | dym | stew: the chroots dev |
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| 15:16.13 | stew | dym: how are you invoking MAKEDEV? |
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| 15:16.19 | dym | stew: MAKEDEV |
| 15:16.26 | stew | is there any output? |
| 15:16.31 | dym | none |
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| 15:16.49 | stew | dym: run "MAKEDEV generic" |
| 15:17.03 | dym | stew: its working |
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| 15:17.12 | dym | stew: takes quite long. |
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| 15:17.44 | dym | stew: jesus - now thats some devices. |
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| 15:18.01 | dym | stew: going for a quick reboot |
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| 15:20.35 | dym | stew: doesnt look too good |
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| 15:22.00 | dym | stew: any other idea? |
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| 15:22.35 | stew | dym: did MAKEDEV create sd* ? |
| 15:22.38 | WormFood | I have an OSX formatted partition. I can mount it with no problems, but I can't access the files as a normal user. For some stupid fuckin' reason, Linux (or the hfsplus drivers), decide it is a good idea to honor the permissions and ownership from a foreign OS. I can access everything as root, but can not access the OSX user's home directory as a normal Linux user. I can't figure out what to do. I've literally spent hours on it. |
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| 15:22.41 | dym | stew: yes |
| 15:22.42 | WormFood | Short of copying the files as root, and changing their ownership/permissions, does anyone know how to access these files as a normal user? |
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| 15:22.59 | stew | dym: had you successfully rebooted since your previous kernel upgrade? |
| 15:23.02 | wols | !tell WormFood about vfatrw |
| 15:23.06 | dym | stew: negative |
| 15:23.10 | stew | ah |
| 15:23.19 | dym | stew: well - i didnt get to reboot until now |
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| 15:23.26 | dym | stew: and this was more or less forced :D |
| 15:23.28 | stew | dym: i'd try an older kernel, and I'd try to rebuild the initrd |
| 15:23.35 | wols | WormFood: the problem is the same with vfat and ntfs, and hence the same solution when only root can access the files |
| 15:23.40 | WormFood | wols, how does that help? |
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| 15:23.52 | WormFood | no, this is not the same problem. |
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| 15:24.06 | tommylommykins | waves |
| 15:24.11 | wols | WormFood: linux ignores all permissions. ALL of them |
| 15:24.12 | tommylommykins | how stable is gnome-3 in debian? |
| 15:24.14 | WormFood | ntfs and vfat do not have uids/gids and permissions |
| 15:24.17 | tommylommykins | worth trying? |
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| 15:24.24 | WormFood | no wols, not on an OSX formatted drive |
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| 15:24.45 | wols | "I can access everything as root, but can not access the OSX user's home directory as a normal Linux user. " |
| 15:24.50 | WormFood | I can't seem to force Linux to use the same uid/gid for all the files. |
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| 15:24.59 | WormFood | that is because of the permissions |
| 15:25.06 | stew | tommylommykins: it should be changing constantly these days |
| 15:25.17 | dym | stew: care to guide me through the rebuilding? |
| 15:25.22 | WormFood | I can't access those files because of the permissions on the files....how do I access those files? and don't tell me to change the permissions, |
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| 15:25.28 | tommylommykins | == not a good idea to install debian to try gnome-3? |
| 15:25.39 | tommylommykins | has been warned not to let it touch his ubuntu install |
| 15:25.47 | WormFood | this is not a Linux (ext) formatted drive, it is an osx (hfsplus) |
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| 15:25.58 | stew | dym: "update-initramfs -k version" or "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version |
| 15:26.03 | tommylommykins | I could use fedora, but I'm a bit scared by yum, and don't want to spend the time unscaring myself just for gnome3 |
| 15:26.09 | WormFood | why in the hell is linux honoring those OSX UIDs/GIDs/permissions? why can't I override them? |
| 15:26.12 | tommylommykins | so I was wondering where Debian stood with it |
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| 15:26.34 | stew | tommylommykins: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 15:26.41 | WormFood | wols, have you tried to access an OSX formatted disk under Linux? |
| 15:26.50 | wols | WormFood: for the same reason and way NFS works? |
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| 15:27.15 | wols | can you show the permissions output of one file in the OSX' home directory? |
| 15:27.25 | WormFood | sure, hold on a sec. |
| 15:27.28 | tommylommykins | oh, thanks :) |
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| 15:27.39 | tommylommykins | any chance I could get a subjective yes/no on whether it's worth trying? |
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| 15:28.03 | tommylommykins | actually, theer's a lot of not-green there |
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| 15:28.07 | tommylommykins | so I assume no? |
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| 15:28.38 | WormFood | drwx------ 1 501 dialout 7 May 25 11:03 Desktop |
| 15:28.40 | wols | tommylommykins: it's not even in testing yet. that alone should explain how "well" it works |
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| 15:28.50 | twobitsprite | tommylommykins: if you're just looking to play around with gnome3, I believe there's a livecd you can try out |
| 15:28.51 | stew | parts of it are in testing |
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| 15:29.07 | tommylommykins | ok, that's the answer I wanted |
| 15:29.09 | tommylommykins | THanks :) |
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| 15:29.27 | WormFood | so it is honoring the OSX UID/GID...which is cool they can do that, but not cool they can't not do that. |
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| 15:29.57 | stew | WormFood: isn't this true of pretty much every filesystem other than ntfs/vfat? |
| 15:30.05 | stew | WormFood: can you not use chown/chmod to adjust permissions? |
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| 15:30.07 | WormFood | so, is there some way to map my current user to the drive, sorta like you can map UIDs/GUDs on ntfs? |
| 15:30.31 | stew | right, just like you can't do this with ext3 |
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| 15:30.43 | WormFood | stew, it is an OSX drive...why would I want to fuck up OSX's ability to properly use the drive, because of a problem with Linux? |
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| 15:30.52 | stew | WormFood: what is the problem with linux? |
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| 15:31.01 | WormFood | if it was an ext3 drive, then it would be no problem |
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| 15:31.14 | stew | how is ext3 and hfsplus different in this regard? |
| 15:31.14 | WormFood | it is a problem with Linux, because they won't let me override the ownership or permissions |
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| 15:31.20 | twobitsprite | WormFood: it would still be a problem if you had different UIDs on the files... in fact, it would be the exact same problem |
| 15:31.23 | stew | WormFood: linux won't let you do that with ext3 either |
| 15:31.25 | WormFood | it is a foreign file system |
| 15:31.34 | stew | WormFood: what does "foreign" mean in this context? |
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| 15:31.54 | WormFood | so you don't know how to make this work. |
| 15:32.05 | WormFood | it is not a native Linux filesystem |
| 15:32.10 | stew | sure it is |
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| 15:32.17 | WormFood | it is not a normal file system that you'd expect to install Linux on |
| 15:32.20 | WormFood | not saying it can't be done |
| 15:32.20 | stew | why not? |
| 15:32.26 | WormFood | but it is an OSX native format |
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| 15:32.52 | Justin | OS X has two native formats |
| 15:32.56 | WormFood | and while it is cool they have the ability to properly map the uid/gid/permissions, it is not cool that I don't have the ability to override them. |
| 15:32.59 | twobitsprite | WormFood: the only meaningful definition of "native" when it comes to linux and filesystems is whether or not linux supports r/w and the full feature set of the filesystem. You could install linux on a hfsplus filesystem, that's about as native as anything gets |
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| 15:33.22 | WormFood | twobitsprite, that is great, but it does not solve my problem. You're not helping. |
| 15:33.43 | twobitsprite | WormFood: I'm trying to help you understand that the problem isn't that linux is broken as you imply |
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| 15:33.57 | WormFood | it does not give me the ability to override these things? |
| 15:33.59 | twobitsprite | if you were to mount an ext3 filesystem from another machine you would have the same problem |
| 15:34.09 | dym | stew: negative - rebuilding it didnt do the trick either. How do I go on about troubleshooting? |
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| 15:34.25 | stew | dym: what is the exact error you get? |
| 15:34.26 | WormFood | twobitsprite, not if the uid/gids are in sync, which I happen to do with my machines |
| 15:34.37 | wols | how does NFS deal with such a case were UID/GID are different across machines. surely they have encountered this problem before? |
| 15:34.42 | dym | stew: there is no error. the machine doesnt boot |
| 15:34.43 | twobitsprite | WormFood: obviously the UIDs aren't in sync between your linux and your osx partitions |
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| 15:34.58 | wols | dym: then what is the last thing you see |
| 15:35.03 | stew | wols: by mapping with symbolic names, but these aren't stored on the filesystem |
| 15:35.04 | dym | wols: what do you mean by that? |
| 15:35.07 | twobitsprite | wols: it causes a lot of headache and you're better off making sure the UIDs are in sync |
| 15:35.12 | WormFood | that is exactly my point...that is a problem....and you're telling me there is no way around this problem, other than change those attributes on the drive? |
| 15:35.13 | wols | dym: and you have removed "quiet" as a boot option, right? |
| 15:35.15 | stew | wols: but with nfs you have two running systems that know how to map names to numbers |
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| 15:35.31 | stew | WormFood: how good are you at c? |
| 15:35.37 | wols | dym: you press "enter" in grub. _something_ does happen |
| 15:35.38 | twobitsprite | WormFood: there isn't any way around it that I'm aware of... it seems to me that it's working as designed |
| 15:35.43 | WormFood | stew, I can program in C |
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| 15:35.52 | dym | wols: its remote. |
| 15:36.01 | WormFood | I wouldn't say I'm great at it, I'd probably say I'm average (based on tests I've taken) |
| 15:36.07 | stew | WormFood: then have a look at /usr/src/linux-$version/fs/hfsplus |
| 15:36.20 | wols | dym: you still have access outside of your normal ways or you couldn't reboot and such |
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| 15:36.29 | WormFood | stew, what specifically do you have in mind? |
| 15:36.37 | dym | wols: no access unless i boot into rescue |
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| 15:36.55 | stew | WormFood: since the kernel provides no facility to do what you say you must do, your option is to alter the kernel to make it do what you want |
| 15:36.56 | wols | !tell dym about bootlog |
| 15:36.58 | WormFood | there should be some way to map UIDs/GIDs, at the very least, like nfs is able to do (if I remember correctly) |
| 15:37.10 | wols | WormFood: read what stew answered me above |
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| 15:37.25 | WormFood | ok....so you're saying I'm not missing or overlooking something, that there really is no way to do what I want to do with and osx formatted drive? |
| 15:37.50 | cinch | long live fat32! ;) |
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| 15:38.06 | WormFood | fuck fat32, long live FAT12 |
| 15:38.13 | WormFood | :P |
| 15:38.15 | dym | wols: on it! |
| 15:38.17 | cinch | never used 12 o.o |
| 15:38.21 | wols | WormFood: it's working as designed |
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| 15:38.30 | WormFood | sure you have, you use it on floppy disks |
| 15:38.32 | wols | cinch: ever used a floppy? |
| 15:38.36 | stew | wols: ah, nfs does have a way to do static mapping |
| 15:38.53 | WormFood | yeah stew, why doesn't the file system drivers? |
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| 15:38.59 | WormFood | it just makes sense to me |
| 15:39.02 | cinch | wols, yes |
| 15:39.05 | wols | stew: yes, since two machines are involved with big daemons, it's probably easier to do than all in kernel as in WormFood's case |
| 15:39.19 | stew | wols: it requires a daemon on the client |
| 15:39.26 | stew | WormFood: because you haven't written the code to do it yet |
| 15:39.28 | lapsusbrutus | I just upgraded to wheezy, altough apt still thinks aim using squeeze' multimedia repos.. where should I start looking? my sources.list is wheezy only.. |
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| 15:39.30 | twobitsprite | WormFood: if there's a way to do it, none of us are aware of it |
| 15:39.45 | Justin | lapsusbrutus: sources.list.d ? |
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| 15:39.57 | WormFood | ok....that is what I needed to confirm, so I can stop bashing my head against this god damn wall... |
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| 15:40.37 | twobitsprite | WormFood: if you're unsatisfied with your product, you're welcome to return it for a full refund :P |
| 15:40.38 | Justin | WormFood: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 15:40.45 | wols | lapsusbrutus: and you noticed it uses squeeze dmm how? |
| 15:40.51 | WormFood | it is extremely frustrating that I have videos on this partition, and the ONLY way I can play them under Linux is to play them as root (which no way in hell I'm doing), or I can copy them to my ext3 or ntfs partitions (or change the permissions of the directory) |
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| 15:41.13 | WormFood | Justin, I don't want to go into it again, scroll back and read |
| 15:41.20 | wols | WormFood: can't OSX use umask 755? |
| 15:41.22 | Justin | WormFood: I have read what you said, you make little sense |
| 15:41.29 | stew | WormFood: this would be the same exact situation if it were two different linux boxes and ext3, its not a problem specific to sharing with mac |
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| 15:41.50 | wols | Justin: hist OSX uses UID 501 and debian uses UID 1000 for his user, and never shall the two meet |
| 15:41.51 | twobitsprite | stew: he's been told that a few times already, I think he just wants to vent and whine |
| 15:41.52 | Justin | WormFood: you have mounted a unix filesytem that has different users on it than your current system. What do you expect to happen? |
| 15:41.56 | WormFood | what I'm saying is it is a problem because there is no way to map these things....I'd sorta expect that for an apple format. |
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| 15:42.22 | dym | stew: odd - logfile shows: (Nothing has been logged yet.) |
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| 15:42.44 | WormFood | Justin, you're too little too late. If you wanted to get into the conversation, then you missed your chance. I'm well aware of how everything works. I just expected there to be some option to map this shit like nfs can do |
| 15:43.02 | wols | cause probably it doesn't get far enough to have / mounted where it could write dym |
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| 15:43.19 | Justin | WormFood: I think you just like to complain |
| 15:43.27 | WormFood | Justin, now if you're done trying to belittle me, I have work to do |
| 15:43.29 | JyZyXEL | xfs doesn't seem very stable on squeeze |
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| 15:43.41 | wols | WormFood: apple is a unix. it works like other unices in they eyes of linux. permissions and all. whereas linux cannot map on to FAT or NTFS permissions |
| 15:43.51 | twobitsprite | WormFood: the difference is, NFS is a networked filesystem designed to be shared amongst many servers... on the other hand ext3 and hfsplus is a local-disk single-machine filesystem *not* designed to be shared between machines |
| 15:43.51 | wols | JyZyXEL: what makes you think that? |
| 15:44.02 | WormFood | Justin, and you've come late to to bitch....in short, fuck off |
| 15:44.05 | JyZyXEL | it likes to spew dmesg errors during heavy load |
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| 15:44.14 | WormFood | twobitsprite, I am WELL AWARE OF HOW IT WORKS |
| 15:44.23 | WormFood | please go back and read what I said about what I was expecting |
| 15:44.23 | stew | WormFood: please keep the conversation civil, and turn off your caps lock |
| 15:44.24 | twobitsprite | WormFood: obviously not |
| 15:44.27 | JyZyXEL | INFO: task rm:32546 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 15:44.32 | stew | and lets all try to move on to move constructive conversations... |
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| 15:44.42 | JyZyXEL | i was deleting some hundred million hardlinks |
| 15:44.48 | WormFood | that is what I'm trying to do, but these two seem to like to tell me I don't know how things work |
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| 15:45.14 | stew | WormFood: at the point when you are telling people to fuck off is beyond the point that you should have used /ignore then |
| 15:45.30 | wols | JyZyXEL: oh yes. that is an OLD bug of sorts. if you have big files, xfs likes to take ages to delete. back in 2.4 days I had xfs partition on a PIO only harddisk. when I deleted a 500MB file or bigger my samba would time out. kernel 2.5 then solved it for me |
| 15:45.35 | WormFood | I've been using linux and unix oses for over 20 years....I'm not a noob....I guess I was expecting too much....I was expecting something like the ability that nfs has to map users. |
| 15:45.37 | twobitsprite | WormFood: we're trying to tell you how things work because you seem to be confused and have expectations which are not in line with the design of the filesystems in question |
| 15:45.39 | wols | but afaik rm's are still slow for xfs |
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| 15:45.51 | dym | stew: it wont boot and nothing is on the file either. |
| 15:46.02 | WormFood | twobitsprite, so that expectation is unrealistic? |
| 15:46.08 | stew | dym: why won't it boot. what file? what error message does it give when booting? |
| 15:46.11 | JyZyXEL | wols: its especially these metadata operations with lots of overhead that gets bites you |
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| 15:46.24 | dym | stew: its a remote server - i dont have psysical access |
| 15:46.30 | wols | stew: it's a remote black box or so he says. he can't see the console and only works via rescue boot |
| 15:46.38 | stew | oh |
| 15:46.39 | twobitsprite | WormFood: not necessarily unrealistic, because it is possible to write a filesystem driver that does what you want... it's just not within the defined scope of how these filesystems were designed to be used |
| 15:46.42 | WormFood | I think you two ( twobitsprite and Justin) just like to try to make other people feel stupid, because they see things or know something differently |
| 15:46.58 | dym | wols: it is - i dont only just say so (: |
| 15:47.01 | Justin | I would think that someone with 20 years of unix experience would have just created a group and synced the UID between the two OS's already |
| 15:47.06 | WormFood | I don't think my expectations are unreasonable, since I know nfs can do it. |
| 15:47.15 | twobitsprite | WormFood: I'm honestly not trying to make you feel stupid... it's easy to get the wrong impression on IRC... I'm honestly just trying to explain to you why it is the way it is |
| 15:47.16 | wols | dym: so you say..... btw, what rescue boot exactly do you use? the debian one? |
| 15:47.19 | stew | WormFood: twobitsprite: Justin: this conversation is going nowhere productive, please drop it |
| 15:47.27 | twobitsprite | ugh.. |
| 15:47.31 | dym | wols: the providers one |
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| 15:47.37 | gray-- | hi all, not sure of the best place to ask this, feel free to punt me off elsewhere. I've 2 x 1.5tb drives and 4 x 2tb drives and am trying to work out the best way to create a 5.5tb mirrored volume using mdadm. Thing is, half of the disks will be initially missing, as they contain a few disparate data sets which i'd like to get onto the larger, new volume. bit open ended really, but how would you go about doing this |
| 15:47.37 | WormFood | twobitsprite, and I've already told you that I understand, so why do you keep trying to tell me the same thing over and over? |
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| 15:47.53 | wols | WormFood: of course, but so far for some reason or other no one has written code for it. definitely nothing that's in the debian kernel. you are welcome to fix that omission of course |
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| 15:48.08 | WormFood | wols, I wonder how hard it would be to "fix" |
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| 15:48.53 | gray-- | i tried to create the volume with lots of 'missing' devices, but it barfed that the 1.5tb device was too small, so i might have a concept or two wrong |
| 15:48.56 | wols | WormFood: for yourself, probably not too hard within limits. for a generally accepted kernel patch? infinitely |
| 15:48.58 | WormFood | I would expect that it would be fairly straight forward to actually implement, but I haven't looked at the code. |
| 15:49.00 | joe6 | i was using testing until now. I want to stick to stable from now on. Is it enough to change the "default release" setting in apt.conf? |
| 15:49.13 | joe6 | or, is there more involved process? |
| 15:49.34 | WormFood | that might be a worthwhile project. Or maybe there is a good reason this wasn't done before. |
| 15:49.41 | wols | WormFood: look at the FAT code and hack away similarly in the hfs one. i'm sure there are some choice comments about permissions in the FAT code |
| 15:49.47 | stew | oh, it looks like the nfs static mapping doesn't actually exist |
| 15:50.06 | joe6 | anyone know about this aptitude error: http://pastebin.com/NmJn4AHq |
| 15:50.06 | wols | WormFood: people usually opt to put the UIDs in sync. like running your OSX on UID 1000.... |
| 15:50.07 | stew | perhaps it did at one point, i do not believe that nfs currently has this capability on linux |
| 15:50.08 | WormFood | really stew? I had read about it, but never tried to use it |
| 15:50.09 | dym | wols: will the dmesg do any good? http://paste.debian.net/121291/ |
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| 15:50.30 | stew | WormFood: it appears not. perhaps it went away with nfs_user_server |
| 15:50.32 | WormFood | interesting |
| 15:51.10 | stew | the options are not mentioned in export(5) |
| 15:51.17 | stew | i don't see them mentioned in the kernel source |
| 15:51.20 | WormFood | perhaps...I didn't investigate it closely, I just noticed it when reading the man page years ago (yeah, things like that stick in my mind, because I thought it was extremely useful) |
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| 15:51.58 | wols | dym: write a script that sets stuff like IP and start a ssh server. then run it with init=/bin/bash maybe? |
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| 15:52.33 | wols | stew: if I runt init=/bin/bash </my beautifulscript> would that work and bash do what I want? |
| 15:52.54 | stew | wols: dunno |
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| 15:53.46 | wols | dym: if it doesn't, a statically linked C program does. just contains lot of exec ("command"); lines |
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| 15:54.13 | dym | wols: huh? was that ment for me? |
| 15:55.20 | wols | dym: if you power it up with your debian kernel. lots of work but possibly doable |
| 15:55.32 | WormFood | ok, thanks for the info guys. I thought for sure I was overlooking something. |
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| 15:55.57 | dym | wols: i cannot follow. what would be lots of work? |
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| 15:56.58 | wols | dym: write a script that sets stuff like IP and start a ssh server. then run it with init=/bin/bash maybe? |
| 15:57.27 | dym | wols: before i rebooted i had problems starting an ssh server |
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| 15:57.30 | dym | it gave me an error |
| 15:57.54 | dym | wols: "PRNG is not seeded" |
| 15:58.09 | wols | why do we _always_ have to ask you what the error actually is? really, it gets tiresome |
| 15:58.28 | dym | that was the SSH server before the reboot. |
| 15:58.32 | wols | good. thank you. does /dev/random and /dev/urandom exist? |
| 15:58.55 | dym | wols: i assume since i did MAKEDEV generic |
| 15:59.36 | dym | wols: booting into rescue to see. |
| 16:00.33 | wols | it's urandom btw |
| 16:00.46 | dym | wols: it does exist. |
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| 16:01.21 | wols | dym: so what is in your bootlog? |
| 16:01.32 | wols | ie, what's the last thing in there if anything at all |
| 16:01.43 | dym | wols: "(Nothing has been logged yet.) |
| 16:01.43 | dym | " |
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| 16:02.17 | dym | wols: startup is enabled. |
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| 16:04.25 | dym | wols: GOD this is really annoying. I deleted some files from /dev and now everything is messed up? |
| 16:05.02 | wols | well, playing with root is playing with fire. |
| 16:05.15 | twobitsprite | dym: why did you delete things from /dev? |
| 16:05.17 | dym | wols: "playing" - thanks. |
| 16:05.39 | dym | twobitsprite: because i was creating a chroot env and /dev was accidentaly still mounted to the jail while i was deleting it. |
| 16:05.53 | twobitsprite | dym: doh |
| 16:06.11 | dym | twobitsprite: yeah, i already got that it wasnt the best thing to do. |
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| 16:08.13 | dym | So any chance someone might have an idea to troubleshoot this unbootable machine? |
| 16:08.25 | twobitsprite | dym: try rebooting? that might restore some stuff to /dev |
| 16:08.33 | twobitsprite | ohh, it's not booting? |
| 16:08.37 | dym | thanks for reading. |
| 16:08.50 | twobitsprite | ugh... why is everyone so touchy today? |
| 16:08.52 | bzrk | dym: boot from cdrom and recreate dev |
| 16:08.52 | dym | At least i dont get ping/ssh replies |
| 16:08.59 | dym | bzrk: devs are back on |
| 16:09.01 | dym | still wont boot. |
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| 16:09.03 | dym | its a remote machine |
| 16:09.48 | bzrk | well if its remote and network wont come up your choices are pretty limited |
| 16:09.55 | bzrk | aka oob access or remote hands |
| 16:10.03 | bzrk | or to the batmobile |
| 16:10.24 | dym | bzrk: im not sure if net doesnt come up. i assume an issue on boot, but cant troubleshoot it right now. |
| 16:11.12 | bzrk | dym: well i dont see how you are going to resolve the issue without connectivity without actually going there |
| 16:11.28 | dym | bzrk: via the rescue system |
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| 16:12.17 | bzrk | dym: anything in the logs of the boot partition? check where the boot stalls or if there are error messages |
| 16:12.18 | twobitsprite | dym: you have no way to get to a serial or video console? |
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| 16:12.47 | dym | twobitsprite: i have requested access to a serial console - but that will take time. I'd like to resolve it faster. |
| 16:13.23 | lapsusbrutus | wols: when I apt-get update it sais squeeze :) Justin sources.list.d was it :) thanks guys |
| 16:13.27 | dym | bzrk: thats the dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/121291/ |
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| 16:15.05 | bzrk | dym: [ 34.854361] ClusterIP Version 0.8 loaded successfully |
| 16:15.11 | bzrk | which ip is that? |
| 16:15.18 | bzrk | any other machone have it as well? |
| 16:15.36 | dym | bzrk: oh, thats just a HAd i was playing with. it has no IP's attached |
| 16:15.40 | bzrk | dym: boot rescue, give different static ip for testing if possible |
| 16:15.49 | dym | bzrk: they are all static. |
| 16:15.51 | dym | no dyn IP |
| 16:16.45 | bzrk | dym: then remove all services from autostarting that are not absolutely necessary |
| 16:16.59 | dym | bzrk: its not the services causing the trouble. |
| 16:17.09 | bzrk | ah |
| 16:17.09 | dym | there is no service interfereing with the connectivity. |
| 16:17.13 | bzrk | well what is it then? |
| 16:17.24 | dym | THAT is exactly what im trying to figure out |
| 16:17.30 | bzrk | k so you dont know |
| 16:17.35 | dym | right |
| 16:17.37 | bzrk | why not try minimal boot then |
| 16:17.50 | bzrk | since you eliminate a lot of possible things that way |
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| 16:19.15 | jonez | greetings |
| 16:19.42 | UltimediaOS | helo |
| 16:19.58 | dym | bzrk: rebooting |
| 16:20.10 | jonez | dym, I don't think you can do it any faster than a re-install of the system. you might not even be able to get a serial console to work, depending on what was deleted. |
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| 16:20.35 | dym | jonez: there we go - got email |
| 16:21.05 | jonez | dym, progress? |
| 16:21.09 | dym | jonez: console |
| 16:21.21 | dym | logging on now |
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| 16:21.49 | jonez | dym, please advise as to how it goes. |
| 16:21.59 | dym | huh? |
| 16:22.04 | jonez | the only thing I can think of is to try and find the script or module that creates /dev when installing and run it. |
| 16:22.13 | jonez | dym, are you able to login to the machine? |
| 16:22.26 | dym | jonez: trying to get there noe |
| 16:22.30 | jonez | I'm interested in knowing if you can get it working without a re-install |
| 16:23.00 | dym | LOL |
| 16:23.07 | dym | fsck.... |
| 16:23.20 | dym | head-desk |
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| 16:23.54 | dym | wols: i can see the fsck running, but also: mount: mounting none on /dev failed: No such devuce |
| 16:24.10 | dym | lets see if this baby boots up after fsck |
| 16:24.19 | dym | jonez: its a KVM Remote console - so not serial |
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| 16:24.37 | jonez | are you able to login, dym ? |
| 16:24.54 | dym | its running fsck - as mentioned above. |
| 16:25.09 | jonez | ah forgive me I missed that line |
| 16:25.09 | jonez | ok |
| 16:25.25 | drwrr | hi, i've been trying to set up xen 4.0.1 on debian squeeze, vanilla 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64, running with all debian packages. seems debian devs don't like xen much, took me hours of finding and fixing various package bugs (that seem to have been around forever) until i found this: http://osdir.com/ml/xen-users/2011-06/msg00248.html |
| 16:25.29 | dym | nevermind |
| 16:25.35 | drwrr | is there a recommended way of running xen on debian stable? |
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| 16:28.42 | bzrk | drwrr: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Installation_on_squeeze |
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| 16:30.36 | dym | bzrk: wols jonez stew - seems sorted. it bumped into the HD fsck check intervals. |
| 16:30.38 | Justin | drwrr: the lack of the qcow stuff should only be a problem if you are using qcow images |
| 16:30.39 | dym | thanks for your time. |
| 16:31.23 | jonez | dym, so you are up and running again? |
| 16:31.39 | dym | jonez: booting second time now. one moment |
| 16:31.42 | bzrk | dym: np good that its nothing serious |
| 16:31.53 | dym | bzrk: yeah, im happy too ... |
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| 16:33.03 | dym | jonez: confirmed. up and running. |
| 16:33.16 | jonez | dym, good to hear |
| 16:33.30 | jonez | dym, did it re-create /dev ? |
| 16:33.37 | dym | jonez: i manually had to |
| 16:33.41 | dym | 'MAKEDEV generic' |
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| 16:34.08 | jonez | dym, ah.. so there *is* a script that will rebuild /dev.. good to know |
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| 16:34.35 | dym | jonez: yes - called MAKEDEV |
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| 16:35.45 | allsystemsarego | Hi, can anyone explain why the command "gvfs-mount ftp://ftp.debian.org" works fine in a GNOME environment, but not in an XFCE environment? and what can be done so it will work in XFCE? |
| 16:36.56 | bzrk | allsystemsarego: start the gvfs daemon |
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| 16:37.39 | dynamite | there (: |
| 16:37.58 | dynamite | Thanks again guys - bzrk: wols jonez stew |
| 16:37.59 | yang | I am wondering is it possible to set dhcp timeout to higher time, what happens now is that every 10 min. my internet stops working for a while...I get bound to 10.254.133.36 -- renewal in 714 seconds. |
| 16:38.26 | allsystemsarego | bzrk, thanks, I'll try that |
| 16:38.34 | jonez | yang, do you operate the server side of the dhcp? |
| 16:38.52 | yang | no |
| 16:38.59 | yang | I get dhcp from wireless pubic network |
| 16:39.03 | yang | public |
| 16:39.34 | yang | But I noticed that each time different value in seconds is provided, usually its about 10 min. |
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| 16:41.04 | Sh4ring4n | !kick afxx |
| 16:41.05 | dpkg | kicks afxx in the crotch. |
| 16:41.21 | Sh4ring4n | !help |
| 16:41.50 | Sh4ring4n | !wikipedia acemi |
| 16:41.52 | simonlnu | right... |
| 16:42.00 | simonlnu | stop |
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| 16:42.16 | Sh4ring4n | sry |
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| 16:42.31 | jonez | yang, if the server has been set with a lease time of 10 minutes, there isn't anything you can do about it |
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| 16:42.59 | yang | ok |
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| 16:49.18 | ujjain | How do I enable x264 support for ffmpeg on Debian? |
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| 16:52.38 | jordanm | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 16:52.38 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.2-3; wheezy: 4:0.6.2-3; experimental: 4:0.7-1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.6.2-0.4; sid-multimedia: 5:0.8-0.0 |
| 16:52.47 | Phantom_Hoover | I'm told I need 32-bit DRI libs to get things working on Wine. |
| 16:52.55 | jordanm | ujjain: the version from multimedia probaby has that support |
| 16:53.02 | wols | ujjain: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 16:53.10 | Phantom_Hoover | I've installed the ia32- libs from APT, but it doesn't seem to have affected it. |
| 16:53.37 | wols | Phantom_Hoover: glxinfo |grep -i render says acceleration is enabled? |
| 16:53.44 | ujjain | jordanm: should I remove ffmpeg first? |
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| 16:54.04 | Phantom_Hoover | wols, dammit, it doesn't. |
| 16:54.53 | wols | Phantom_Hoover: to the Xorg.0.log then |
| 16:54.53 | jordanm | ujjain: no, it should upgrade |
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| 16:54.58 | Muisje | HAPPY CAPSLOCK DAY! |
| 16:55.11 | Phantom_Hoover | wols, just for curiosity's sake, what does this have to do with getting the libs? |
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| 16:55.51 | wols | Phantom_Hoover: nothing. but why would you install said libs? |
| 16:56.14 | Phantom_Hoover | wols, dunno, the guys in #winehq said they would make things work. |
| 16:56.22 | ujjain | jordanm: thanks :) |
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| 16:57.44 | Phantom_Hoover | I believed them because these things scare me. |
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| 16:58.25 | wols | Phantom_Hoover: what is the error? |
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| 16:58.51 | stew | is it possible that wine is going to be able to use direct rendering when running under an x server that doesn't support it? |
| 16:59.03 | stew | i'd think not |
| 16:59.12 | Phantom_Hoover | wols, err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly |
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| 16:59.23 | stew | right... |
| 16:59.42 | wols | seems like a very accurate error message to me |
| 16:59.46 | stew | Phantom_Hoover: what graphics card do you have? |
| 17:00.04 | Phantom_Hoover | stew, some Intel integrated crap. |
| 17:00.25 | Phantom_Hoover | Mobile 4, it appears. |
| 17:00.27 | jordanm | Phantom_Hoover: do non-wine opengl applications work? eg. glxgears |
| 17:00.30 | wols | check your Xorg.0.log |
| 17:00.34 | Phantom_Hoover | jordanm, yeah. |
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| 17:01.07 | stew | glxgears works without dri though, right? |
| 17:01.08 | Phantom_Hoover | wols, so yeah, what should I check for? |
| 17:01.16 | wols | Phantom_Hoover: (EE) |
| 17:01.31 | stew | Phantom_Hoover: and which driver you are using. do you see lots of INTEL for instance? |
| 17:02.08 | Phantom_Hoover | stew, 'INTEL' doesn't appear in the log. |
| 17:02.27 | Phantom_Hoover | Nor does EE, except in some error pertaining to the touchpad which probably isn't relevant. |
| 17:02.42 | wols | so what driver are you using then? vesa? |
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| 17:03.01 | Phantom_Hoover | wols, I... don't know. |
| 17:03.08 | drwrr | Justin, blktap won't even work with raw image files for some reason |
| 17:03.27 | wols | Phantom_Hoover: please pastebin your Xorg.0.log then |
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| 17:03.41 | stew | Phantom_Hoover: and while you are at it, include the output of "lspci -nn" |
| 17:04.35 | stew | or "lspci -nnk" even |
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| 17:05.32 | Phantom_Hoover | Xorg.0.log: http://sprunge.us/SOQX lspci -nnk: http://sprunge.us/Kgec |
| 17:06.19 | stew | so it is the intel driver, and the kernel module is loaded |
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| 17:10.10 | wols | Phantom_Hoover: what is the output of glxinfo |grep -i render? your log says DRI is enabled and so is AIGLX |
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| 17:10.58 | Phantom_Hoover | wols, http://sprunge.us/MCIW |
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| 17:13.00 | wols | you have dri enabled. why were you saying otherwise? |
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| 17:14.09 | ujjain | How do I obtain apxs? |
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| 17:14.14 | stew | so wait? something changed? |
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| 17:15.06 | stew | ujjain: apxs2 is in the apache-*-dev packages (you have to pick threaded or prefork) |
| 17:15.31 | stew | ujjain: what are you planning to do with it though, there is a chance that there is a better way to do whatever you are trying to do |
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| 17:16.16 | dokma | hey guyz.... when I search in less it positions on the begining of the line with the match instead on the match itself is there any way to change this? |
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| 17:16.30 | dokma | it's not very helpful when the lines are 10,15 screens |
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| 17:17.11 | ujjain | stew: argh, requires lots of packages to be installed. |
| 17:17.23 | ujjain | I am trying to install mod_flfx for streaming a few video's on a site. |
| 17:17.38 | ujjain | it seems that all my file are first downloaded, then stream starts. |
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| 17:19.04 | Phantom_Hoover | <wols> you have dri enabled. why were you saying otherwise? |
| 17:19.07 | Phantom_Hoover | Argh. |
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| 17:19.40 | Phantom_Hoover | I know I have DRI; I was told by the guys in #winehq that I needed 32-bit versions of the DRI libs to make stuff work. |
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| 17:21.29 | mordocai_work | Latest updates to testing introduced this bug for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vte/+bug/140011. Fix in second to last comment worked for me. It looks like it has been discussed but the bug searching isn't really working for me(most likely user error). Should I make a report? |
| 17:21.36 | ujjain | stew: any idea? |
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| 17:25.11 | Guest10631 | hello |
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| 17:25.33 | ScottG | What is the correct way to restart the network? I've always used 'service' but I get an error that it's depreciated |
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| 17:26.12 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.51 | wols | but with wicd and network-manager it's totally different. and the stuff in interfaces can be restarted in other ways too: ifup/ifdown for example |
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| 17:27.06 | ScottG | This is a server |
| 17:27.16 | ScottG | and I get the same error if I do it the init.d way |
| 17:27.39 | abrotman | the error tells you the preferred method, no? |
| 17:27.47 | ScottG | It oddly doesn't |
| 17:27.54 | DammitJim | dude, wpa_cli ;) |
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| 17:28.16 | abrotman | ScottG: ifup/ifdown ? |
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| 17:29.07 | jackweb | Hello! I am looking for some MIDlet `tester' for Debian. Does anybody know any? |
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| 17:29.44 | wols | java2me being very much closed source (ask oracle), there cannot be |
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| 17:29.47 | abrotman | wtf is a midlet ? |
| 17:30.03 | Phantom_Hoover | It's a close relative of the midget. |
| 17:30.04 | wols | java program for phones (not android) |
| 17:30.25 | wolfric | I'm tryng to mount ffs (fast file system) any ideas what to do? i found a guide that asked said you needed ufs support however cat /proc/filesystems | grep ufs brings up nothing |
| 17:30.32 | stew | abrotman: java mobile application thingy |
| 17:30.45 | jhutchins_lt2 | ScottG: It is not an error, it is a warning that likely does not apply to you. |
| 17:30.51 | abrotman | as opposed to a java application thingy ? |
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| 17:31.11 | wols | abrotman: java2 MICRO EDITION, as opposed to Java2SE |
| 17:31.14 | abrotman | so much for write once, run anywhere :) |
| 17:31.45 | wols | every looked at the size of a JRE? and how much space a phone from 10 years ago has?. something has to give... |
| 17:31.54 | stew | write once, debug everywhere |
| 17:31.58 | jhutchins_lt | I have often encountered java "applets" that required the importation of the entire java development suite in order to run one small function. |
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| 17:34.29 | jelly | since j2me has lots of extensions defined, midlets really need to be "write once, debug everywhere" |
| 17:35.04 | jelly | that said I love my MidpSSH that can somehow squeeze a 80x30 terminal into 240 pixels |
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| 17:36.19 | Phantom_Hoover | OK, from further information from the Wine guys it appears that the 32-bit libs are indeed the issue. |
| 17:37.20 | stew | Phantom_Hoover: which 32-bit libs? |
| 17:37.37 | Phantom_Hoover | stew, <kevlarman> Phantom_Hoover: you need 32 bit versions of all the graphics related libraries |
| 17:37.55 | stew | Phantom_Hoover: which graphics related libraries? |
| 17:38.05 | Phantom_Hoover | stew, I don't know! |
| 17:38.09 | stew | find out! |
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| 17:39.37 | stew | Phantom_Hoover: however, if you are on amd64 and using intel, there's probably not much else available other than the ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk packages for now |
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| 17:40.33 | Phantom_Hoover | stew, dammit. |
| 17:40.55 | Phantom_Hoover | Looks like he just means the libgl ones, FWIW. |
| 17:41.59 | stew | judd: file lib32/libgl --arch amd64 |
| 17:42.03 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 17:42.31 | stew | hrm |
| 17:42.36 | stew | ia32-libs: /usr/lib32/libglut.so.3 ? |
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| 17:46.14 | wols | Phantom_Hoover: libGL and libGLU are in ia32-libs |
| 17:46.19 | Phantom_Hoover | wols, huh. |
| 17:46.37 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libgl&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any scroll down |
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| 17:47.10 | Phantom_Hoover | Hmm. And the mesa stuff? |
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| 17:47.24 | stew | Phantom_Hoover: in ia32-libs |
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| 17:47.34 | wols | that is the mesa stuff. libGL = mesa |
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| 17:48.20 | wols | maybe you use some wine package from outside debian and now it looks in the wrong place for libGL? |
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| 17:49.07 | stew | not wrong place but different version? |
| 17:49.27 | stew | (wine shouldn't know where, his dynamic linker should) |
| 17:49.29 | stepkrav | ti give ssh access to a user, i just add Allowusers username, to /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
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| 18:05.11 | darkschneider | mm nice wheezy install recognized windows xp installation but it just did not put it in grub2 boot list |
| 18:05.15 | darkschneider | very evil thing |
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| 18:08.07 | wols | did a "update-grub" fix it? |
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| 18:12.05 | JyZyXEL | its there some standard way of getting a custom mirrors public key? |
| 18:13.51 | daemonkeeper | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 18:14.47 | JyZyXEL | daemonkeeper: thats just for the debian archives? |
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| 18:15.41 | daemonkeeper | Well, what else do you expect from a Debian mirror? |
| 18:15.52 | wols | JyZyXEL: there is apt-key |
| 18:16.13 | wols | JyZyXEL: the mirror isn't signed, packages are |
| 18:16.33 | daemonkeeper | Nope |
| 18:16.38 | daemonkeeper | Packages aren't either |
| 18:16.42 | daemonkeeper | Meta data is signed |
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| 18:16.52 | blackdawn | is there some shell based on python syntax? |
| 18:16.53 | JyZyXEL | then how come GPG errors during apt-get update because of missin public keys |
| 18:17.21 | daemonkeeper | The package signature comes from a Debian developer, but that's only used to import a package into the archives |
| 18:18.01 | daemonkeeper | JyZyXEL: You may use third party repositories then |
| 18:18.18 | darkschneider | wols: i'm investigating the bug before fixing, it's curious as os-prober successufly detects the windows installation, but the installer did not generated the conf files in grub.d |
| 18:18.19 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 18:18.34 | daemonkeeper | JyZyXEL: Well, ask $repository_maintainer for a key then |
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| 18:18.57 | JyZyXEL | actually it is "gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv" and you include the code from the errors message |
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| 18:19.30 | daemonkeeper | If you know, the key is hosted there, you can import it by using apt-key, as wols said |
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| 18:21.40 | blink | I just upgraded from 5 to 6 and the dokuwiki package, even after purging, doesn't seem to work |
| 18:21.56 | JyZyXEL | oh so apt-key adv |
| 18:22.07 | blink | was hear yesterday, read the readme.debian file, but it's still failing install at: unrecognised or modified dokuwiki.php (hash=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e) |
| 18:22.24 | asarch | What is the name of the to-do list application for GNOME? |
| 18:22.44 | daemonkeeper | asarch: You mean http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html? |
| 18:23.17 | asarch | Thank you daemonkeeper |
| 18:23.20 | wols | !tell blink about doesn't work |
| 18:23.22 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 18:23.29 | JyZyXEL | expired keys they had |
| 18:23.38 | blink | I just told you wols, that's the error on install |
| 18:23.45 | JyZyXEL | so are there any standard ways for a mirror keeper to give out public keys? |
| 18:24.01 | blink | you want a screen shot of my broswer displaying the message or something? |
| 18:24.27 | daemonkeeper | JyZyXEL: Usually they provide a package. Note it does not make particularly sense to import the key that way |
| 18:24.52 | stew | blink: where is dokuwiki.php located? |
| 18:24.57 | JyZyXEL | there a common name for the package? |
| 18:25.05 | blink | /etc/dokuwiki, as per readme.debian |
| 18:25.15 | blink | i did dpkg --purge, and this is vanilla as it gets |
| 18:25.27 | daemonkeeper | JyZyXEL: $package-keyring |
| 18:25.33 | daemonkeeper | Sorry, $repository-keyring |
| 18:25.45 | stew | JyZyXEL: have you signed anybody else's public key with your gpg key? |
| 18:25.55 | blink | the hash /etc/dokuwiki/dokuwiki.php is not the value the installer is reporting. the value reported on cli matches the value stored in install.php |
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| 18:26.17 | JyZyXEL | stew no |
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| 18:27.07 | stew | blink: does "dpkg -s dokuwiki" list that file as a conffile? |
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| 18:29.16 | blink | stew: it does, with hash value 176d73601d83bfc527d0b3c1841dd78a (the file has that value as it is now, and that value is contained in install.php as being version 2009-12-25 Debian |
| 18:29.53 | stew | blink: sounds like a bug to me then. have you checked the bts? |
| 18:29.58 | blink | there are no other instances of 'dokuwiki.php' on my system, so I'm unsure why it's returning that hash value |
| 18:30.02 | blink | oh, no, I haven't. |
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| 18:30.49 | stew | oh wait |
| 18:30.56 | stew | i just looked at the hash, that's the null hash |
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| 18:31.08 | stew | like md5sum /dev/null |
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| 18:33.04 | blink | so now I log a bug report? |
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| 18:34.12 | stew | blink: wirh reportbug |
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| 18:34.40 | stew | blink: though now that I see that the md5 is the null md5, i'd strace it and see where it is actually lookikng for dokuwiki.php |
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| 18:36.31 | Monotoko | hey guys, I'm trying to install DenyHosts on my debian server but when it's active and I try to SSH in to root it immediately puts my IP in /etc/hosts.deny...I have looked through the configuration file and can't find anything that would cause this...any pointers? |
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| 18:37.29 | newl | puts Monotoko's ip also in /etc/hosts.deny for safety sake |
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| 18:39.21 | lolcat_ | newl: What is his IP? |
| 18:39.29 | fleischergesell | I have weird problem - I have apache2 installed and running for a while but after last system update it wont get started on system boot - there is NO log whatsoever to indicate that there is any sort of problem. It starts just fine when doing /etc/init.d/apache2 start via command line. I verified that apache2 is linked in rc2 as this is the runlevel the server gets started with. Anybody an idea what I can do to debug? |
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| 18:41.12 | blink | stew: this is being served via apache; would I be stracing php /usr/share/dokuwiki/install.php? |
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| 18:42.45 | stew | blink: why is install.php being run? |
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| 18:43.19 | blink | because I purged everything and just want a working install, then I'll worry about restoring from backup |
| 18:43.28 | tecky | which php.ini does apache2 use by default ? I'm not able to get a setting that I've configured to show as "changed". |
| 18:43.47 | stew | blink: ok, but what is causing install.php to be run? are you browsing to this page in your browser? |
| 18:43.50 | stew | blink: if so, why? |
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| 18:43.58 | stew | tecky: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
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| 18:44.10 | blink | stew: The datadir ('pages') does not exist, isn't accessible or writable. You should check your config and permission settings. Or maybe you want to run the installer (linked)? |
| 18:44.21 | blink | pages exists, is writable by apache user configured in envvars |
| 18:44.22 | tecky | stew: the changes i've made to that file aren't showing up... should it be chowned to www-data ? |
| 18:44.46 | blink | restart apache tecky |
| 18:44.51 | stew | tecky: no, it should not be chowned |
| 18:44.52 | tecky | already have |
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| 18:44.57 | tecky | hmm |
| 18:45.01 | stew | blink: does /var/lib/dokuwiki/data exist? |
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| 18:45.49 | blink | it does, ran mkdir data/{pages,attic,media,meta,cache,locks,index,tmp} then chowned it |
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| 18:46.03 | blink | full path is accessible |
| 18:46.12 | stew | blink: what did you do that produced this error? |
| 18:46.18 | blink | installed it, lol |
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| 18:46.57 | blink | literally, I removed the package by purging, deleted all folders it left (i had it set to preserve data in debconf), then installed. this is now |
| 18:47.02 | stew | blink: so, you run "apt-get install dokuwiki" and this error comes out? or what? |
| 18:47.16 | blink | no, the install works, but a bunch of stuff is missing once installed |
| 18:47.50 | blink | after looking at bts, apparently that's a known issue, and even after I address it by creating the files, it fails on the md5 check of dokuwiki.php |
| 18:47.54 | stew | blink: then again, what did you do that produced this error? |
| 18:48.15 | blink | I opened the web browser to http://servername/dokuwiki |
| 18:48.46 | stew | and so this doesn't have anything to do with install.php, right? |
| 18:48.49 | blink | doku.php says there's a setup error, try running the installer, installer reports null md5 |
| 18:49.55 | Talon_ | has anybody tried to use firefox 5 on squeeze? I'm getting this: /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by /opt/firefox/libxul.so) |
| 18:50.00 | stew | is doku.php the script which is rrun when you point your web browser at http://servername/dokuwiki ? |
| 18:50.23 | stew | tecky: you are trying to run a pre-compiled version which was compiled for libraries which are newer than those on squeee |
| 18:50.25 | blink | yes |
| 18:50.38 | stew | blink: and what is the exact error? |
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| 18:51.15 | blink | the datadir pages does not exist one I pasted earlier |
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| 18:51.51 | blink | it does exist, because the installer isn't asking for it to be created, or permissions changed |
| 18:51.55 | Talon_ | any chance I could steal a newer one from sid? I think thats testing/unstable? |
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| 18:52.18 | newl | blink: use the mkdir -p options? |
| 18:52.46 | stew | blink: and you currently still get this error, even though you addressed it by creating the files? |
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| 18:53.16 | ansgar | Talon_: Did you try the packages from mozilla.debian.net? |
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| 18:53.53 | Talon_ | thats stupid iceweasel |
| 18:53.56 | blink | yep :) |
| 18:53.59 | blink | bbiab |
| 18:54.12 | Talon_ | its always way behind true firefox |
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| 18:54.37 | newl | use seamonkey ' |
| 18:55.56 | Talon_ | for the longest time I was using linux mints debian repo soley for firefox but obviously mints got newer libs so its broken.. I guess I'll just save the .deb from my apt cache and re-install 4.0.1 from the cache as well. |
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| 19:01.05 | Talon_ | sweet, that worked, leat I got FF back. |
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| 19:05.53 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 19:06.05 | Bartzy | I'm backporting PHP5 from sid to squeeze. |
| 19:06.24 | Bartzy | I got all the needed .deb files, but I can't find the APC package. How can I install that ? |
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| 19:11.14 | berserkr | Bartzy: try to install from PEAR repository or PECL |
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| 19:14.36 | vi390 | hi, iam using an openvz kernel - lenny 2.6.26-2 , wanted to connect a backupDrive, where I used ext4. Well, ext4 is not yet available below 2.6.28... is it worth refering to datasecurity-journaling etc. (I dont need speed on that drive, but most stable datastorage) to use backports with the kernel and use ext4, or just use ext3? |
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| 19:15.27 | vi390 | is it possible to mount ext4 as ext3 (there are different information about that if searching, some say sort of yes, some no) |
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| 19:17.00 | lolcat_ | vi390: Why would you want that? |
| 19:17.26 | vi390 | lolcat_: that= what ext4 , or backports |
| 19:17.36 | py_ | hello! after apt-get install xfce4 on a fresh squeeze, it works nicely with startx. But how can I get it started at boot? I still get to the command prompt each time. |
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| 19:17.46 | abrotman | py_: install a DM like gdm |
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| 19:18.10 | wols | vi390: depends how it was created. there are some features which prevent mounting it as ext3 when you created it as ext4 afaik |
| 19:18.36 | wols | and for the backup purpose, you can use ext3 |
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| 19:18.53 | py_ | abrotman: oh. which one is recommended for an xfce4 box ?(I mean, to keep the whole thing light) |
| 19:19.07 | abrotman | probably gdm .. there's also slim |
| 19:19.21 | abrotman | but with xfce4, you already have a pile of gnome-ish things, so gdm should be fine |
| 19:19.35 | py_ | abrotman, thx, let's give it a go! |
| 19:20.04 | vi390 | wols: ah, ok@ some features. Ok sounds to be not worth the effort to use ext4. thought it has better journaling, and support for bigger files (...) .. but think I reformat it in ext3 then |
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| 19:23.16 | wols | vi390: do you use terabyte sized files? |
| 19:23.47 | vi390 | wols: not terrabyte :) , but maybe 20 Gigabyte - Video |
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| 19:23.57 | blink | fd |
| 19:23.59 | blink | re* |
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| 19:24.58 | tuxcrafter | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ < no 6.0.2 images yet? |
| 19:24.59 | vi390 | wols: its just a storage drive, does not need to be fast access |
| 19:25.16 | dbb | hi - something or other is testing the smart data on my disks, and waking them up... how can I change this? |
| 19:25.17 | tuxcrafter | was using http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.1-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 19:26.29 | Bushmills | 1 terrabyte = 1024 giggabytes = 1048576 meggabytes? |
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| 19:27.00 | dbb | .. udisks-daemon ? |
| 19:27.04 | vi390 | Bushmills: looks correct |
| 19:27.14 | twobitsprite | Bushmills: terabytes, gigabyte, megabyte |
| 19:27.15 | Bushmills | 1024 terrabytes = 1 lunabyte? |
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| 19:27.36 | epsilon | Peta |
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| 19:28.17 | Bushmills | twobitsprite, epsilon, "vi390: wols: not terrabyte :) " |
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| 19:28.56 | ichilton | hi |
| 19:29.00 | twobitsprite | vi390: it's spelled terrabyte |
| 19:29.03 | twobitsprite | Bushmills: there :P |
| 19:29.07 | twobitsprite | ack... terabyte |
| 19:29.12 | twobitsprite | see what you made me do? :P |
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| 19:29.47 | dbb | sudo udisks --inhibit-all-polling in a screen... for now |
| 19:29.53 | ichilton | should: install fb=false still work on squeeze? - i'm following this guide: http://workingdirectory.net/posts/2009/installing-debian-using-qmu/ to setup a KVM instance with Debian and on Debian over SSH but the install fb=false bit doesn't work - just goes back to the graphical mode bit. Anyone any ideas? |
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| 19:30.01 | vi390 | twobitsprite: ok, if that correct, than one should use "Tebibyte" instead ;) |
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| 19:30.34 | Bushmills | tebbies |
| 19:30.35 | twobitsprite | vi390: I'm just commenting on Bushmills' spelling, not unit size :P |
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| 19:31.06 | twobitsprite | } //nitpicking |
| 19:31.26 | vi390 | twobitsprite: well, we all know how to spell things, mabye ... just not taking care of sometimes with fast typing ;) |
| 19:31.39 | twobitsprite | maybe* :P (sorry, couldn't help it :P) |
| 19:32.01 | vi390 | twobitsprite: but thanks for mentioning it |
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| 19:33.15 | acidfoo | hi folks, How do I apt-get remove something, without removing dependencies ? thanks |
| 19:33.42 | Bushmills | autoinstalled ones? mark them as manually installed |
| 19:34.15 | acidfoo | its dhcp3-server |
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| 19:34.34 | somiaj | apt-get should only remove things that depend on the package for obvious reasons -- it shoudln't remove any of the depends but usually tells you you can remove them with autoremove provided you don't need them |
| 19:34.43 | somiaj | acidfoo: what is it removing that you don't want it to? |
| 19:34.54 | epsilon | what doen it want to uninstall, you want to keep instead? |
| 19:35.04 | tecky | stew: TY that worked, i for some reason had to manually stop and start the service as using init.d wasnt triggering the changes |
| 19:35.52 | acidfoo | somiaj, other home made package depend on it, |
| 19:36.09 | acidfoo | so if I understand, there is no way I can just remove one package without dependencies ? |
| 19:36.27 | somiaj | acidfoo: well if a package depends on it, why do you expect that package to function once you remove one of its dependencies? |
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| 19:36.46 | acidfoo | somiaj, I never said this is what I expect |
| 19:36.54 | somiaj | acidfoo: if its an optional depends, recompile your custom package to not depend on it |
| 19:37.05 | somiaj | acidfoo: if its a mandatory depends, well you have to have it |
| 19:37.14 | acidfoo | so there is no apt-get remove command to remove stuff without dependencies ? |
| 19:37.24 | acidfoo | or you just don't know |
| 19:37.30 | twobitsprite | acidfoo: no, you can't do that |
| 19:38.08 | Bushmills | are you trying to remove a package on which another one depends, which is then in turn removed too? |
| 19:38.08 | somiaj | acidfoo: you can use dpkg and --force things, but you can also break your system or smash your processor with a sledge hammer |
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| 19:38.19 | epsilon | fix the dependency of the package, it's better than break dependency |
| 19:38.47 | acidfoo | im playing with something |
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| 19:39.02 | somiaj | yea breaking dependencies, --forcing things is just not a good idea. Basically if you have to ask how to do it you shouldn't do it. |
| 19:39.28 | acidfoo | ok |
| 19:39.30 | acidfoo | ill try it |
| 19:39.34 | twobitsprite | fun |
| 19:40.35 | twobitsprite | sometimes I like to chown -R nobody:nogroup / just for fun... wheee |
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| 19:41.57 | acidfoo | to do it, I use bumblebee |
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| 19:43.33 | antonin | Hi, I installed debian and everything went fine but now I get a flashing screen after the grub screen. Recovery mode gives me the same error. I tried "fb=false" and "vga=788" but that doesn't help either. I am also missing my vista partition so I'm thinking grub may be the cause? anyone can point me in a direction? |
| 19:43.57 | wols | acidfoo: bumblebee has what to do with dhcp? |
| 19:44.21 | acidfoo | sigh |
| 19:44.23 | jhutchins | !kms |
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| 19:44.34 | jhutchins | dpkg: kms? |
| 19:44.39 | acidfoo | wols, nothing |
| 19:44.53 | project2501a | guys, what is inside pxelinux.0 ? |
| 19:44.54 | wols | jhutchins: I tried too. it's broken! |
| 19:45.01 | project2501a | it's a binary, but what is it? |
| 19:45.06 | project2501a | how is made? |
| 19:45.11 | jhutchins | dondelelcaro: Your bot is stuck. |
| 19:45.14 | wols | project2501a: apt-get source pxelinux.0? |
| 19:45.17 | project2501a | i assume it has no fairydist. |
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| 19:45.25 | project2501a | wols: please read my question, again |
| 19:45.32 | UltimediaOS | its from isolinux |
| 19:45.44 | jhutchins | No response on oftc either. |
| 19:45.54 | UltimediaOS | for the bootcd, but for what exactly i dunno |
| 19:46.04 | project2501a | UltimediaOS: isolinux? |
| 19:46.13 | project2501a | you mean the loader? |
| 19:46.23 | UltimediaOS | yeah something to do with that |
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| 19:46.30 | project2501a | still no make sense. this dhcpd business is going to kill me |
| 19:46.35 | UltimediaOS | for netboot i think |
| 19:46.38 | UltimediaOS | sounds like it |
| 19:46.40 | jhutchins | Which is weird 'cause I just got a response there. |
| 19:46.44 | wols | syslinux it is, not isolinux |
| 19:46.49 | UltimediaOS | yes |
| 19:46.49 | UltimediaOS | sry |
| 19:46.53 | UltimediaOS | syslinux |
| 19:47.30 | jhutchins | antonin: You may need to disable kms, unfortunately the bot that knows how to do that is not feeling well. |
| 19:47.34 | UltimediaOS | its provided from kernel.org as source |
| 19:47.39 | jhutchins | antonin: Do you know what video hardware ou have? |
| 19:47.55 | wols | "Next, you need the actual pxe boot linux kernel (what is actually run immediately after your PXE boot client box gets a DHCP lease). In this case, that file is pxelinux.0, and is part of the syslinux RPM." 2nd hit for googling the filename... |
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| 19:48.24 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 19:48.32 | wols | dpkg: you are late! |
| 19:48.35 | UltimediaOS | bros and sis, we have smashing heat in germany... please let it rain |
| 19:48.36 | jhutchins | iirc isolinux is a variant of syslinux |
| 19:48.41 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 19:48.50 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 19:49.10 | antonin | woah I'm getting too much info. I know which videocard I have yes, so what should I do with kms? |
| 19:49.17 | jhutchins | antonin: ^^ |
| 19:49.20 | UltimediaOS | isolinux or syslinux, not sure as long ive not watched on my harddisks and in the docs |
| 19:49.36 | wols | antonin: you disable it |
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| 19:49.50 | UltimediaOS | i needed it for a livecd that we released a year ago |
| 19:49.51 | wols | antonin: as the friendly bot told you how to do that |
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| 19:49.57 | jhutchins | antonin: Assuming you're on squeeze... |
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| 19:50.28 | karlpinc | project2501a: IIRC the install guide has a section on pxe, and the tarball that you download with the pxe stuff in it has a README that explains things. |
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| 19:51.41 | karlpinc | I'm upgrading a box to squeeze (from lenny) that does pppoe. I didn't see anything in the install guide, but I do need the net to upgrade so I figured I'd check here to see if there was anything special I need to know about the upgrade process to avoid pppoe problems. |
| 19:51.54 | karlpinc | s/install guide/release notes/ |
| 19:52.11 | wols | karlpinc: are you using rp-pppoe? |
| 19:52.21 | karlpinc | wols: Let me look. |
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| 19:52.31 | wols | or kernel level pppoe? |
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| 19:52.49 | antonin | wols: I tried nomodeset in grub and he tells me he doesn't know the command |
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| 19:53.12 | karlpinc | wols: Just the pppoe package and pppoeconf. |
| 19:53.15 | wols | antonin: it's a kernel parameter |
| 19:53.33 | karlpinc | wols: So I assume that means kernel. |
| 19:53.44 | antonin | so I have no clue what to do now :p |
| 19:53.55 | wols | karlpinc: no. rp-pppoe. but should be fine |
| 19:53.58 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:54.25 | wols | antonin: you do know what a kernel parameter is? |
| 19:54.35 | karlpinc | wols: Ok. Thanks. (If it's user pppoe why is there no daemon?) |
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| 19:54.48 | antonin | wols: No I really don't, I thought It was a boot parameter |
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| 19:55.02 | wols | antonin: it is a boot parameter. you add it to the kernel line at the end |
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| 19:55.19 | wols | it's a parameter for the kernel, not a grub command |
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| 19:57.27 | antonin | dear wols, you are my hero for this (potentially very short) moment! now will I have to do this every time to boot or what should I exactly do? |
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| 19:58.47 | jhutchins | antonin: Likely this is just the first step in some confusing diagnostics and reconfiguration. You could potentially add it to your grub configuration as a permanent command, but it's probably going to give you trouble if you want to run a GUI. |
| 19:59.20 | antonin | I'm in a gui now, it just doesn't look very good :s |
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| 19:59.44 | jhutchins | antonin: What's the graphics chipset? |
| 19:59.54 | Phantom_Hoover | Argh how do you get X to work from a chroot? |
| 20:00.01 | project2501a | f this |
| 20:00.03 | project2501a | i got the book |
| 20:00.09 | project2501a | i got THE dhcp book |
| 20:00.12 | project2501a | there is a book after all |
| 20:00.19 | jaggz | I moved my inbox -- how do I refresh my imap account's inbox in thunderbird? it's showing the old messages |
| 20:00.21 | wols | antonin: lspci -nn and pastebin the output |
| 20:00.23 | antonin | ati radeon HD 3650 |
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| 20:00.48 | jhutchins | !radeon |
| 20:00.48 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 20:00.54 | wols | antonin: get the package linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 20:01.17 | wols | antonin: my bad, it's "firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 20:01.56 | antonin | do you still need my output? |
| 20:02.31 | wols | no, now that we know what the videocard is |
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| 20:02.58 | wols | antonin: btw, which kernel version is it? "uname -r" |
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| 20:03.28 | antonin | 2.6.38-2-amd64 |
| 20:04.59 | tuxcrafter | is there an easy way to swith the default ssh id_dsa key instead of using mv commands? |
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| 20:10.16 | Phantom_Hoover | Anyone know how to get X working from a chroot? |
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| 20:11.33 | antonin | I tried rebooting after installing package and it isn't resolved, what are the next stels |
| 20:11.38 | antonin | steps I should look into? |
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| 20:14.41 | pecenipicek | hello, hello. |
| 20:15.30 | pecenipicek | how do i access lm-sensors from.. well, anywhere? |
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| 20:15.53 | Digdilem | how do you mean 'access'? |
| 20:16.11 | pecenipicek | how to use it to see temperatures, voltages and such things? |
| 20:16.26 | Digdilem | install it, then run sensors-detect, then once it's setup, run sensors |
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| 20:18.26 | pecenipicek | THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH! |
| 20:18.30 | pecenipicek | does a happy dance |
| 20:18.46 | Digdilem | no worries |
| 20:18.57 | karlpinc | pecenipicek: You may also find the smartmontools package useful. |
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| 20:19.57 | pecenipicek | SMART monitoring is actually not that important to me. now, as another question, how would i control fans on the GPU for example? |
| 20:20.03 | Phantom_Hoover | For Christ's sake, it should not be this hard to run X from within a chroot. |
| 20:20.25 | abrotman | !bindmount |
| 20:20.28 | abrotman | bleh |
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| 20:23.05 | boodie | Hi: updating to squeeze mysql gives problems... here's the log from /var/log/syslog, grep-ed for "mysql": http://paste.debian.net/121320/ ... how could I handle it? |
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| 20:26.50 | DammitJim | how can I install the wireless driver to take care of this problem? iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode firmware file req failed: -2 |
| 20:28.02 | daemonkeeper | You may need to install the iwlwifi firmware |
| 20:28.12 | DammitJim | yeah, how do I do that? |
| 20:28.19 | DammitJim | is that as simple as an apt install? |
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| 20:28.38 | daemonkeeper | !iwlwifi |
| 20:28.38 | dpkg | iwlwifi is a driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. If upgrading from Etch, see http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:29.06 | DammitJim | can I just do: apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi ? |
| 20:29.14 | daemonkeeper | If you enabled non-free yes |
| 20:29.40 | DammitJim | thank you sir |
| 20:30.13 | antonin | when I try to install fglrx the packet manager asks me to insert a cd, is there any way to just add a download source? |
| 20:30.20 | DammitJim | there it is! |
| 20:30.22 | abrotman | comment out the cdrom source |
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| 20:31.21 | DammitJim | ty abrotman |
| 20:32.01 | abrotman | but it wasn't for you? |
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| 20:32.28 | daemonkeeper | Maybe holds as well :> |
| 20:32.56 | drwrr | could someone point me to a good resource to modifying kernel config when building from a debian kernel source package? i'm getting confused by all the kconfig magic |
| 20:33.02 | antonin | abrotman, thanks |
| 20:33.07 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 20:33.08 | dpkg | i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
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| 20:34.06 | Phantom_Hoover | So still noöne has any advice for running X from a chroot? |
| 20:34.20 | drwrr | abrotman, thanks. but do i just plop in my own .config there and ignore the whole Kconfig shebang? |
| 20:34.40 | abrotman | drwrr: make oldconfig might be more appropriate |
| 20:35.22 | drwrr | abrotman, yes. but basically, ignore Kconfig? |
| 20:35.30 | abrotman | whatever that is |
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| 20:36.51 | drwrr | abrotman, it's a number of kconfig files distributed in the source tree that dpkg-buildpackage seems to put together to make a .config |
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| 20:37.17 | pinkisntwell | i'm using squeeze, but i want to install a single package from sid. how can i do that? I don't want anything else from sid |
| 20:37.26 | vlt | Has anyone here used liquidsoap before and could answer some basic questions? For example: When I start it with 'out(playlist("list.pls"))' why on earth doesn't it start with the very first audio file? |
| 20:37.44 | drwrr | abrotman, guess i'll have to manually apply the patches when using make-kpkg? |
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| 20:38.25 | jonesst1 | pinkisntwell, maybe get the source and make a .deb |
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| 20:39.04 | pinkisntwell | jonesst1: huh? it's already in sid |
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| 20:40.11 | ansgar | !tell pinkisntwell about ssb |
| 20:40.39 | Phantom_Hoover | I cannot believe that this is such an impossible problem that noöne's even thrown dpkg at me. |
| 20:41.08 | pinkisntwell | ansgar: why do i need to build from source? |
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| 20:41.43 | jonesst1 | I assume if its in sid it will have minimum dependancies not met by stable...so if you dont want to run sid I would suspect you need to recompile it for the older dependancies |
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| 20:41.47 | ansgar | pinkisntwell: Because many programs in sid are linked against newer libraries that you do not want to upgrade. |
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| 20:42.14 | ansgar | pinkisntwell: So one has to rebuild them to link them against older libraries in stable. |
| 20:43.51 | jonesst1 | sometimes if you can find who the debian developer is for the package in sid, he might have his own web site with an older .deb for stable... |
| 20:44.22 | pinkisntwell | hmmmmm i see, i'm reluctant to possibly break my system like that, i will have to find another solution |
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| 20:45.11 | jonesst1 | I dont think he wanted to listen |
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| 20:46.52 | terrorpup | I am running Debian 6, and I can't find gdmsetup, what has replace it? |
| 20:47.53 | Python1320 | Linux says I have "Pentium 4 CPU 2.40GHz" but cpuinfo claims it's running at 1813.168 MHz |
| 20:47.53 | Python1320 | , any ideas why? |
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| 20:50.10 | robokop | Python1320: cpufreq scaling? |
| 20:50.39 | Python1320 | How can I check? |
| 20:50.50 | Python1320 | Never had problems like this so.. |
| 20:50.52 | Digdilem | run stress to load the cpu, then check it again? |
| 20:50.53 | Talon_ | Python1320: gnome or kde? |
| 20:51.00 | Python1320 | neither |
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| 20:51.01 | Talon_ | its scaling, it don't run full boar unless needed |
| 20:51.03 | Python1320 | console only |
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| 20:51.17 | Python1320 | It's running at 100% cpu for the past hour and it still says 1800 Mhz |
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| 20:51.25 | Digdilem | if the bios says the speed is right, it'll be right in the os |
| 20:51.38 | Digdilem | is cpuinfo updated on every freq change? |
| 20:51.42 | Digdilem | or only at boot? |
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| 20:52.32 | Digdilem | Python1320, cpufrequtils might have something helpful? |
| 20:52.33 | Talon_ | every change |
| 20:52.36 | stew | Digdilem: cpuinfo isn't "updated" its the actual thing |
| 20:52.42 | Digdilem | k |
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| 20:54.28 | robokop | Python1320: look /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
| 20:54.32 | valdyn | Digdilem: its updated on every read you do |
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| 20:55.20 | Python1320 | there's only /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/topology/ |
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| 20:55.41 | terrorpup | ok, I found gdmsetup, but I see it's changed, can't do remote login anymore? |
| 20:55.42 | robokop | and in /sys/devices/system/cpu? |
| 20:56.20 | Python1320 | uh..chat stopped |
| 20:56.26 | Python1320 | nvm |
| 20:56.27 | Python1320 | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq has nothing in it |
| 20:56.46 | Python1320 | chat client though it was a command I was wondering why it didn't print |
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| 20:57.52 | robokop | / is the usual leader for commands in IRC |
| 20:58.28 | Bop | anyone running vmware player on Testing ? |
| 20:58.46 | Bop | it doesnt compile the required modules |
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| 20:59.26 | Talon_ | bop: any reason you prefer vmware player over virtualbox? I use vbox. |
| 20:59.29 | pipeline | Bop: VMware player/workstation don't patch nearly as quickly as new kernels come out. Search the VMware Communities (forum) for your kernel version, e.g. 2.6.35 |
| 20:59.43 | pipeline | Bop: there are always patches available from the community, usually within hours of a new kernel release |
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| 21:00.04 | Bop | ok , gonna search |
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| 21:00.42 | terrorpup | in Debian 5 you could launch gdmsetup turn on remote log on so you could use XDMCP, but I can find out how to do that in Debian 6. |
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| 21:04.44 | stew | terrorpup: this option is no longer found in gdmsetup? |
| 21:05.22 | frankbro | Why is http://www.winehq.org/download/debian so unhelpful and not giving a wine1.3 apt and gpg key? |
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| 21:06.07 | Phantom_Hoover | So what's this ia32-apt-get thing which was removed apparently? |
| 21:06.30 | kla | frankbro, yes just compile your own wine |
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| 21:07.01 | simonlnu | or ignore that and fetch the wine 1.3 from the relevant site |
| 21:07.34 | valdyn | !ia32-apt-get |
| 21:07.41 | valdyn | !multiarch |
| 21:07.41 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. For further details see http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch http://lists.debian.org/20110627105453.GC31198@virgil.dodds.net |
| 21:08.07 | Phantom_Hoover | Ooh. |
| 21:08.08 | frankbro | I'd rather have wine1.3 updating from apt-get update kla/simonlnu |
| 21:08.13 | simonlnu | http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 21:08.47 | delby | hi. i have a default squeeze gnome desktop install. i would like to add boot option for a custom runlevel to create an internet terminal running x, ratpoison, browser only. i was going to setup auto login and auto startx in inittab and add ratpoison/browser entry in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc. my problem is that xinitrc invokes /etc/X11/xsess |
| 21:08.52 | simonlnu | less than 30 seconds of google, FYI |
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| 21:09.05 | simonlnu | consider that a freebie |
| 21:09.06 | delby | ,,,xsession which starts gnome |
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| 21:09.34 | kla | frankbro, indeed so do i, ubuntu has ppas for wine i believe, i dont think there's any direct way to use them |
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| 21:09.57 | stew | frankbro: what release of debian are you using? |
| 21:10.04 | simonlnu | *cough* http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 21:10.27 | stew | simonlnu: he's running unstable? |
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| 21:10.39 | simonlnu | heck if i know |
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| 21:11.35 | simonlnu | that's ^^^ build for sid. won't work for squeeze |
| 21:11.40 | simonlnu | built* |
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| 21:14.36 | frankbro | stew : LMDE |
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| 21:15.04 | stew | frankbro: oh, you are in the wrong channel then, this channel is for debian support |
| 21:15.15 | stew | frankbro: ##linuxmint 5 Official support channel is #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 21:15.43 | frankbro | yea but isnt LMDE and debian similar? |
| 21:15.48 | terrorpup | stew: yes, I don't see in gdmsetup, in fact I can't even change the look of gdm any more with gdmsetup |
| 21:15.56 | stew | frankbro: yes, they are similar. we don't support it. /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 21:15.59 | frankbro | actually, pretty similar ? LMDE is on debian testing |
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| 21:16.21 | stew | frankbro: i believe that might be right, but you can confirm on their channel |
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| 21:21.14 | oopsies | deary me, I hoe someone can help me.. I seemed to have installed Debian fine, but it was via rescue.. so I boot it up and realise, there are no users.. how can I create a user? i doubt there are any default users for security reasons |
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| 21:21.41 | action09 | hi all |
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| 21:24.45 | dondelelcaro | oopsies: if you know the root password, log on as root and create them using adduser |
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| 21:25.08 | dondelelcaro | oopsies: if you don't, /msg dpkg i forgot root's password; and follow those instructions, then add users using adduser |
| 21:25.31 | oopsies | dondelelcaro: thank you I hope that helps, just another thing to learn really :D |
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| 21:27.46 | oopsies | dondelelcaro: it says use "passwd root" and I right assume that would create a root account or is there always one there by default? |
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| 21:34.07 | dondelelcaro | oopsies: there is one by default |
| 21:34.23 | dondelelcaro | oopsies: there are a number of accounts which are always present |
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| 21:35.46 | dondelelcaro | (well, assuming you have base-passwd installed, anyway, which you'd have to work pretty hard not to have installed.) |
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| 21:38.08 | oopsies | dondelelcaro: I just wrote those commands down for my GRUB menu. Should I also investigate those other accounts? or are they of no use for desktop use |
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| 21:40.55 | deepa | I just accidently installed a package which added in A LOT of dependencies |
| 21:40.59 | deepa | Can I somehow revert this action? |
| 21:41.31 | streuner_ | just purge it |
| 21:42.11 | streuner_ | use dpkg --purge <package> |
| 21:42.12 | deepa | By "just purge it" do you mean apt-get purge? |
| 21:42.23 | streuner_ | nah, prolly too late |
| 21:43.31 | streuner_ | (i guess its not in the official mirrors...) |
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| 21:47.16 | streuner_ | deepa: apt/aptitude just download the package(s), dpkg manipulate and install them |
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| 21:50.13 | deepa | streuner_: sure, but apt-get is also capable of purging |
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| 21:50.25 | deepa | and dpkg --purge only wanted to remove the initial package, not the deps |
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| 21:51.14 | doolittlework | hi there sorry to bug where can i get ac opy of debian Etch $? |
| 21:51.22 | doolittlework | 4 |
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| 21:51.59 | streuner_ | deepa: true, but if that package isnt in the mirrors or available you prolly get problems... |
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| 21:52.47 | streuner_ | deepa: well, to tell you the truth, your question didnt sound like, its an official package :-) |
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| 21:54.22 | doolittlework | please help me install debian, why is there 8 dvd's will take forever to download |
| 21:54.38 | streuner_ | !netinstall |
| 21:54.39 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 21:54.52 | mal|lappy | doolittlework: Read the download page. You don't HAVE to download all 8 dvd's |
| 21:55.09 | doolittlework | thx |
| 21:55.11 | mal|lappy | So, I just installed squeeze, and I'm having issues getting my wifi card to work. It's a Intel Wifi Link 5300, which according to my google searches is compatible with iwlagn in debian. When I try to do ifconfig wlan0 up though, I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" |
| 21:55.14 | deepa | streuner_: oh, it's an official package. but it pulled in image tools and mysql |
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| 21:55.39 | streuner_ | deepa: thats more interesting then :-) |
| 21:56.22 | streuner_ | deepa: please show us the whole stuff/errors/sources.list in a pastebin. |
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| 21:57.55 | streuner_ | deepa: why not just using apt-get autoremove (unneeded depends)? |
| 21:58.12 | deepa | autoremove shows no depends not in use |
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| 21:59.05 | aaarh_i_hate_thi | xvilo is er net aangekomen! xvilo is de Owner van deze bot. |
| 21:59.18 | ZykoticK9 | deepa, have you already removed the "main" package? you need to do that before autoremove can do anything. |
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| 22:06.08 | Vasistha | I am struggling to get a default umask 002 on login. I have checked man pam_umask and it says that when user groups are set up umask should default to 002 instead of 022. I set umask in login.defs to 002. But still it goes to 022. What to do? |
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| 22:07.18 | Craigwd_2000 | Where can I get firmware for my ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 & Realtek RTL8168 Gigabit Ethernet NIC...? I keep seeing in Kubuntu & SimplyMEPIS 11.0RC-2 errors about missing firmware files for those two devices... Worse still is the fact that Wheezy won't even tell me if it's found/recognized the issue or if it has even silently installed the missing firmware files...; I'm currently running it with KDE 4.6.3 & I have no way of kn |
| 22:07.18 | Craigwd_2000 | if the firmware files have been installed correctly at all... |
| 22:07.29 | xvilo | !at 120 on |
| 22:07.45 | xvilo | !at on 120 |
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| 22:09.30 | mal|lappy | Anyone? Help getting Intel wifi link 5300 working on squeeze? |
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| 22:11.13 | xvilo | !at on 120 |
| 22:11.42 | MrFrood | !tell mal|lappy about intel |
| 22:12.04 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals 5300 |
| 22:12.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of '5300' by value (2): networkmanager squeeze ;; iwlagn. |
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| 22:13.13 | aaarh_i_hate_thi | They are really car. |
| 22:13.25 | aran | check this out http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn#Squeeze |
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| 22:14.28 | streuner_ | hands aran the spoonfeeding award of #d |
| 22:14.42 | Vasistha | it seems to indicate here that squeeze umask default is 002, but my newly installed squeeze system has 022 and it is *very annoying* http://www.0x61.com/forum/linux-debian-programming-f213/bug-581729-document-the-umask-change-for-new-installs-t1284141.html |
| 22:14.58 | aran | i have got the same wireless card and it works perfectly |
| 22:15.03 | Vasistha | how... how to fix this problem? I have looked all over the /etc tree for proper places to change the umask |
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| 22:15.14 | aaarh_i_hate_thi | GLaDOS: "The Enrichment Center reminds you that the Weighted Companion Cube cannot speak" ---> http://bit.ly/im6Z0Sc |
| 22:15.31 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:15.49 | taec | I'm trying to create a patch for a .deb package. Building it with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b works fine... so now I want to generate a patch for my fixes, but the problem is there's a bunch of patches already. What's the best way of tackling this, so my patch applies cleanly over the previous patches? Can I tell dpkg-buildpackage to apply the patches only to the current source tree? |
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| 22:16.54 | Vasistha | taec: might be a better question for the dev channel on oftc |
| 22:17.17 | streuner_ | not in general |
| 22:17.52 | JordiGH | taec: Is the package using quilt? |
| 22:18.03 | JordiGH | taec: You can put your changes under a new quilt patch. |
| 22:18.57 | taec | JordiGH: no :| |
| 22:19.29 | taec | JordiGH: This is for internal local use only, but I would like to incorporate it into the debian/patches/ directory somehow. |
| 22:19.38 | taec | Vasistha: cool, ta, I'll go figure out where that is |
| 22:19.45 | JordiGH | taec: Uh, that sounds like quilt. |
| 22:19.49 | JordiGH | taec: What package is it? |
| 22:20.01 | taec | JordiGH: tsocks |
| 22:20.07 | JordiGH | goes look. |
| 22:20.15 | JordiGH | Also |
| 22:20.15 | taec | JordiGH: do I get beaten if I say I'm actually working on Ubuntu? :) |
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| 22:20.18 | JordiGH | <3 tsocks |
| 22:20.30 | JordiGH | taec: Probably, if my Debian instructions don't work for you. |
| 22:20.48 | JordiGH | taec: I'm not going to attempt to accomodate for whatever insanity Ubuntu may have done. |
| 22:20.51 | taec | <3 tsocks also. However, I don't like that there's no timeout :) so I've created a patch to allow you to specify a timeout value in the config which works great. I just wanna distribute it to my team now |
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| 22:22.32 | JordiGH | taec: Oh, it's using dpatch. |
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| 22:22.39 | JordiGH | 1.8beta5 in squeeze. |
| 22:22.47 | taec | JordiGH: yeh, same one I've egot here |
| 22:23.01 | JordiGH | No Ubuntu revision number? |
| 22:23.11 | Vasistha | argh how do I change umask this is crazy. why isn't login.defs being followed? why aren't pam_umask guidelines being followed? why is it 022 when all of these people are saying it should be 002 like I want? |
| 22:23.28 | taec | JordiGH: tsocks-1.8beta5 |
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| 22:23.37 | JordiGH | That's the full version number? |
| 22:23.40 | taec | JordiGH: tsocks-1.8beta5-9.1 |
| 22:23.44 | JordiGH | Okay, then we have Ubuntu insanity. |
| 22:23.46 | JordiGH | Oh, we don't. |
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| 22:25.02 | JordiGH | taec: Oh well, I don't know how to use dpatch. It has what looks like a good manpage, though. |
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| 22:31.42 | taec | JordiGH: got it sorted. Had to do some messing around, must be a cleaner way, but I just let the other patches apply and then backported my changes over the applied patches, did a diff, edited it in dpatch format and all worked. Thanks for having a look though |
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| 22:41.22 | Vasistha | so... how do I persistently change umask to 002? |
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| 22:42.17 | JordiGH | Huh, aptitude update is querying specifically for the translation files for the locales I have generated. Is this new? |
| 22:42.28 | JordiGH | I mean, being picky about which translation files to read from the repos. |
| 22:43.56 | JordiGH | What are the odds of Iceweasel 4 getting backported |
| 22:43.57 | JordiGH | ? |
| 22:44.24 | cnu | is there a nice tutorial for creating a virtual machine for creating debian packages? |
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| 22:44.47 | mal|lappy | MrFrood: Thanks. It'd be nice if that information was on the wiki, but that works fine :) |
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| 22:45.00 | JordiGH | cnu: VirtualBox is pretty easy to use. After that just follow the instructions for installing Debian and the new maintainers' guide. It may be easier to just do a chroot, though. |
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| 22:46.42 | cnu | JordiGH, thank you! i have a history of fucking stuff up, so i need a vm :P |
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| 22:49.03 | MrFrood | cnu: keep it family-friendly |
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| 22:49.51 | cnu | okay |
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| 22:54.25 | Ray|2 | Hey yall |
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| 22:58.52 | JordiGH | So now that Mozilla has said that zomg, we're not doing stable releases anymore but only rolling releases, what is Debian going to do about it? |
| 22:59.08 | JordiGH | Chrome is saying the same thing. |
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| 22:59.45 | Ray|2 | MFW when people are using Chrome. |
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| 23:00.36 | nordx | hi |
| 23:01.36 | vlt | Hello. How can I run a program and tell it (on command line) to always stay on top of the other X windows? |
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| 23:02.18 | niftylettuce | because icing on gedit tastes so much better @ https://github.com/niftylettuce/gedit-icing |
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| 23:05.06 | nordx | when i am using wlan-network, the hostname is not listed in my router. When i link the router with the debian-server over a lan-cable, it lists the hostname of the debianserver in my router. What can i do? |
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| 23:09.24 | Vasistha | Why is umask set to 022? I though in squeeze it should default to 002 for regular users. I have also set in login.defs and it is still not getting set to 002. |
| 23:09.45 | abrotman | niftylettuce: why are you spamming us? |
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| 23:22.19 | Vasistha | come on... any umask help? seems like with every new version of debian the way this is done changes, and the way I've learned to fix it no longer works. I want umask 002 |
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| 23:27.30 | EM03 | hey |
| 23:27.38 | EM03 | what is the package to get gcc and make quickly? |
| 23:27.42 | EM03 | build-essential? |
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| 23:28.41 | themill | yes |
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| 23:39.17 | fugdnscerd | can anyone in here help with debian-live tool set? or maybe point me in the right direction |
| 23:39.53 | nsadmin | so far there is no information |
| 23:40.34 | nsadmin | if you provide some, people will only then know if they can help or point |
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| 23:42.55 | fugdnscerd | sorry, didnt want to bring off topic issues if they weren't welcome here.. I am trying to use debian-live to create a bootable rescue disk of my own liking. I am passing the --packages "testdisk" paramater to 'lb config' and it seems to ignore it |
| 23:43.20 | fugdnscerd | it also ignores the repositories I have set in the /etc/live/build.conf file |
| 23:43.44 | tbil | misinformation |
| 23:44.00 | fugdnscerd | ?? |
| 23:45.36 | nyov | fugdnscerd: maybe there's help in #debian-live |
| 23:45.45 | nyov | on oftc |
| 23:45.58 | fugdnscerd | thanks |
| 23:46.21 | nyov | np |
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| 23:52.43 | niftylettuce | abrotman: sry 4 link earlier, connection dropped while I was attempting to PM |
| 23:53.00 | abrotman | uhhuh |
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| 23:53.27 | niftylettuce | abrotman: check log, i dropped right after |
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