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| 00:00.49 | mehwork | when installing debian for the first time, how do you put /home on its own partition? just make / the primary partition and /home its logical partition? |
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| 00:02.49 | Justin | mehwork: just make both primary partitions, it has nothing to do with primary/logical |
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| 00:03.11 | mehwork | Justin: that's what im wondering, would it matter either way? |
| 00:03.18 | mehwork | if home was logical or primary |
| 00:04.31 | stew | mehwork: no, it doesn't matter |
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| 00:06.23 | mehwork | thank |
| 00:06.24 | mehwork | s |
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| 00:08.57 | mehwork | stew: does the same go for a swap partition? |
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| 00:09.17 | stew | mehwork: yes |
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| 00:13.27 | yareckon | ok, so I am having an uninformed discussion over on identi.ca with someone about the uses of deb-src repos |
| 00:13.43 | yareckon | can someone point me at an explanation of how to use them? |
| 00:14.03 | yareckon | preferrably an explanation that is not stamped "obsolete" at the top? |
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| 00:14.47 | stew | yareckon: "apt-get source foo" to fetch source. "apt-get -b source foo" to fetch and buld source "apt-get buld-dep foo" to install the packages necessary to build foO |
| 00:15.01 | mehwork | stew: it put / on /dev/sda1 but swap on /dev/sda5 and /home on /dev/sda6, is that normal? i only have one harddrive |
| 00:15.13 | stew | mehwork: sure |
| 00:15.19 | mehwork | why didnt they go to sda2 and 3 |
| 00:15.27 | yareckon | stew thanks... |
| 00:15.32 | Justin | has anything related to deb-src even changed in like 10 years? how could information on them be obsolete ? |
| 00:15.36 | stew | mehwork: because 1,2,3,4 are for primary partitions |
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| 00:15.41 | mehwork | ah |
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| 00:16.08 | stew | Justin: i think the current incarnation of the apt-howto claims its own obsolescense |
| 00:16.09 | yareckon | Justin, people get scared when something is stamped "obsolete" |
| 00:16.18 | dselect | Since dpkg seems to need a little time out for some stress relief, I'm here to help out. My address character is % and I have a copy of dpkg's brain. My database is, however, read-only. |
| 00:16.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | much of the doco in src:apt is horribly out of date :/ |
| 00:16.35 | yareckon | cause they haven't being attention for "like 10 years" |
| 00:16.49 | neodemi | this is probably a silly question, but would i be right in assuming that a new debian install can be done using just the first cd or dvd in the sets? |
| 00:16.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | dselect: thank you |
| 00:16.49 | dselect | Kamping_Kaiser: my pleasure |
| 00:17.01 | yareckon | neodemi, yes! |
| 00:17.25 | yareckon | and even from a very small netboot or businesscard version if needed |
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| 00:19.20 | Black_Prince | dpkg you good? |
| 00:19.20 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 00:19.36 | jonesst1 | dpkg you suck! |
| 00:19.36 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 00:19.59 | themill | poor bot, no wonder he's suffering from stress |
| 00:20.12 | jonesst1 | hehehe |
| 00:20.27 | Black_Prince | heh, it is just there to help, but gets pissed off |
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| 00:21.12 | Black_Prince | like windows support guys |
| 00:22.56 | abrotman | i think he's going to disappear again .. |
| 00:23.16 | Black_Prince | dpkg we miss you at oftc |
| 00:23.28 | Black_Prince | doh |
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| 00:26.04 | dpkg | Black_Prince: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:26.36 | Black_Prince | 3 minute lag. wow |
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| 00:27.07 | mehwork | stew: when debian is finished installing, will it automatically add /home and swap to my fstab file? |
| 00:27.13 | mehwork | or do i have to do any post install setup |
| 00:27.26 | Black_Prince | mehwork, it will automatically add them |
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| 00:30.08 | nsadmin | mehwork, yes if you have specified them |
| 00:30.39 | nsadmin | it probably did that fairly early in the install process |
| 00:30.48 | mehwork | cool |
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| 00:36.11 | mehwork | nsadmin: it seems to have installed /dev, /dev/shm, /var/run/var/lock, /lib/init/rw and /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs on their own partitions |
| 00:36.14 | mehwork | automatically |
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| 00:37.16 | Black_Prince | Those are temporary file systems |
| 00:37.41 | abrotman | wonders how/if a mehwork works ... |
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| 00:38.23 | nsadmin | mehwork, temp, or "fake" in that they don't exist on your disk |
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| 01:00.08 | debian | hello |
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| 01:03.10 | Jayro | hello, is there a command line tool like fpaste for debian? |
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| 01:05.02 | abrotman | Jayro: fpaste does what? |
| 01:05.13 | ZykoticK9 | Jayro, pastebinit perhaps? |
| 01:05.32 | Jayro | cat file | fpaste would make a pastebin (fedora;s version) |
| 01:05.50 | ZykoticK9 | abrotman, i wan't sure either - ddg gave "Software description: posts contents of stdin to friendpaste.com and places the resulting URL into the system" |
| 01:05.53 | abrotman | !pastebinit |
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| 01:05.59 | abrotman | dselect: pastebinit |
| 01:06.00 | dselect | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 01:06.08 | Jayro | abrotman, thanks! |
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| 01:11.44 | nvz | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=62417 says I can use this "vbeinfo" command to figure out what video modes my card supports.. I suspect this is a shitty howto as it seems to have several parts specific to intel graphics.. but anywho.. where is this vbeinfo command? |
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| 01:13.15 | nvz | backstory is I installed plymouth and set it up but I chose 1366x768 as the display mode which I thought was the native res of this tv.. and when it boots it says invalid mode on the tv.. I think it may have been 1360x768.. idk |
| 01:13.38 | stew | maybe /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
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| 01:14.26 | nvz | hm.. I suppose I could try that.. I'm wondering if I should just chose a lower out of aspect ratio mode instead |
| 01:14.52 | nvz | I had this machine setup and working in native res, but the HDD died last night and I just put in a new one and reinstalled and forgot how I set it up apparently.. heh |
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| 01:15.38 | nvz | cause its the tv itself that was giving that error message not the computer |
| 01:15.59 | nvz | I guess I dont need card info but the tv info |
| 01:16.04 | Black_Prince | there is 1360x768. I have that mode |
| 01:16.17 | nvz | idk why I thought it was 1366 |
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| 01:16.31 | nvz | I'll just try setting it to 1360x768 and see if that works |
| 01:16.46 | nevyn | 1360 is 1280 with overscan |
| 01:16.54 | nvz | its 16:9 if I recall correctly |
| 01:17.13 | nvz | and its native res is somewhere about 1300 px wide |
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| 01:18.30 | nvz | luckily I knew how to blindly get grub to boot rescue mode.. heh |
| 01:19.16 | yareckon | night all... thanks for the help stew |
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| 01:19.49 | nvz | meh.. still says invalid format.. heh |
| 01:20.17 | nvz | I don't think I even have to set a gfx mode in grub for plymouth to work |
| 01:20.35 | Black_Prince | for me plymouth just works with splash command line |
| 01:20.48 | Black_Prince | in kernel command line* |
| 01:20.55 | nvz | cause I followed that damn tutorial and it didn't work.. now I just put "quiet splash" with gfx mode set to 1360x768 and grub don't display but plymouth did |
| 01:21.17 | Black_Prince | that gfxmode is useless |
| 01:21.33 | nvz | apparently especially when you set it wrong.. heh |
| 01:22.07 | nvz | does anyone know where I can see what the themes look like? I searched online and couldnt even find screenshots |
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| 01:22.31 | Black_Prince | my favourite is solar |
| 01:22.38 | Black_Prince | I did not try any other |
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| 01:23.04 | enod | umm is this where i can find the helpful people? |
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| 01:23.38 | dvs | enod: depends on the topic. ;-) |
| 01:23.41 | nvz | I think thats the one I put on that machine I built last month.. has the little planet in the corner?.. I tried the glow and fade-in on this machine and they seem the same~ |
| 01:23.57 | enod | installing mixxx |
| 01:23.57 | Black_Prince | nvz, yes that's one with planet in the corner |
| 01:24.07 | nvz | oh wait.. I don't think I did update on the initramfs when I changed to fade in |
| 01:24.49 | enod | trying to wean off ubuntu... |
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| 01:26.32 | nvz | enod: its not hard.. |
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| 01:27.07 | enod | oh? |
| 01:27.27 | enod | cause i spent a few hours today so far |
| 01:28.30 | nvz | the differences I see is that of course the installer is different, the default setup has some chat/social media integration on ubuntu, and well their packages blow |
| 01:28.50 | nvz | they're buggy as all hell, typically.. the ubuntu packages |
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| 01:29.52 | Blue1 | i am a ubuntu refugee - what is the debian eqiv. of sudo service <servicename> restart |
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| 01:30.08 | enod | lets see some dependencies aren't there still, asking for libmad.a and flac something |
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| 01:30.21 | dvs | Blue1: invoke-rc.d |
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| 01:30.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Blue1: how is it not working for you? |
| 01:30.56 | enod | and couldn't figure out apt-get build- mixxx |
| 01:31.09 | Blue1 | Kamping_Kaiser: command not found |
| 01:31.36 | stew | Blue1: sudo /etc/init.d/servicename restart |
| 01:31.53 | Blue1 | stew: okay I can do that thanks - |
| 01:31.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | Blue1: its probably not in your path |
| 01:32.20 | nvz | idk but either these themes are all the same or I'm doing something wrong.. as I understood it all you have to do is plymouth-set-default-theme then do update-initramfs -u |
| 01:32.24 | stew | enod: aptitude install mixxx? |
| 01:32.31 | Blue1 | Kamping_Kaiser: i will check |
| 01:32.39 | stew | enod: oh, nm, i see, its not in squeeze; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 01:32.45 | enod | i really hope that doesn't work |
| 01:32.46 | enod | haha |
| 01:33.22 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: "service" is not something that would be installed on a typical system |
| 01:33.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew: really? hm. i must have installed it myself then |
| 01:34.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | nope, its part of sysvinit-utils |
| 01:34.34 | stew | judd: info sysvinit-utils |
| 01:34.36 | judd | Package sysvinit-utils (admin, required) in squeeze/i386: System-V-like utilities. Version: 2.88dsf-13.1; Size: 113.7k; Installed: 256k; Homepage: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit |
| 01:34.37 | Blue1 | Kamping_Kaiser: good call /usr/sbin is NOT in the path |
| 01:34.50 | enod | can someone point me to a learnux distribution? |
| 01:34.50 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: oh, hmm, pardon me |
| 01:36.31 | nvz | heh this shit pisses me off.. I just changed it to solar which I know what that looks like.. and its still set to what I setup originally |
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| 01:36.58 | Blue1 | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks kind sir |
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| 01:39.41 | nvz | will try plymouth-set-default-theme -R <theme> instead... see how this goes.. nope.. same theme.. oh well I give up.. heh |
| 01:40.15 | jaggz | Why is postfix rejecting my incoming email from gmail? it seems to reject it at reject_unknown_sender_domain. gmail.com looks up fine from shell, but mail log shows: "dns_query: gmail.com (AAAA): Host not found, try again". and "NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[209.85.210.178]: 450 4.1.8 <testaccount@gmail.com>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found;" |
| 01:40.27 | nvz | aooarently you chose a theme and you're stuck with it cause something is broke.. I suppose I should check the BTS |
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| 01:41.24 | nvz | doesn't make sense to me that it worked the first time to set it up, and now it won't change it.. |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | jaggz: do you have valid dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 01:44.11 | abrotman | jaggz: also, did you mess with /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 01:46.07 | enod | could someone school me on this mixxx installation, their irc channel is dead |
| 01:46.51 | stew | enod: add a deb-src line for unstable, then "apt-get install build-essential ; apt-get build-dep mixxx ; apt-get -b source mixxx" |
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| 01:47.57 | dbbolton | i am having issues with SDL since upgrading from squeeze to wheezy |
| 01:48.33 | nvz | check the bts, file a bug, be more specific.. |
| 01:50.22 | dbbolton | nexuiz and sauerbraten tell me they can't open an audio device. however ET works fine. |
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| 01:51.41 | nvz | dbbolton: idk what any of that stuff is.. are you sure they're all using the same method of sound output? |
| 01:52.06 | dbbolton | they are games |
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| 01:52.31 | enod | stew |
| 01:52.35 | dbbolton | they're using the settings that the package maintainers decided on |
| 01:53.16 | enod | hehe um stew: apparently i am having problems with my repositories |
| 01:53.20 | dbbolton | i didn't change anything. it doesn't look like you can anyway |
| 01:53.40 | nvz | dbbolton: hmm.. well that tells me how much you know about whats going on anyhow.. heh. |
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| 01:53.58 | nvz | dbbolton: I've used sauerbraten, but don't know what the other two are |
| 01:54.08 | nvz | didn't know any of them were in debian |
| 01:54.54 | enod | says igoring file 'lmde.list.save' in derectory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 01:55.15 | stew | lmde? mint? |
| 01:55.36 | dbbolton | nvz on squeeze sound in nexuiz worked after i installed libsdl1.2debian-alsa but this package does not exist in wheezy |
| 01:56.28 | nvz | dbbolton: ok well now you're telling me something that gives me some idea as to what is going on |
| 01:58.32 | dbbolton | nvz i spend most of my time on perl. i know next to nothing about this fancy multimedia stuff. |
| 01:58.54 | enod | yeah that was an attempt to get wireless working :P |
| 02:00.06 | nvz | dbbolton: yeah i'm not seeing anything that does audio with sdl on wheeze strangely enough |
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| 02:00.53 | nvz | dbbolton: if this is the case and IDK why it is, but perhaps you can pull something from Squeeze or Sid |
| 02:01.40 | enod | tried adding the mintiness to my debian install |
| 02:01.47 | nvz | dbbolton: these are the depends of the libsdl1.2debian-alsa in squeeze Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libdirectfb-1.2-9, libsvga1 |
| 02:01.58 | nvz | which I assume you could satisfy in wheeze |
| 02:02.33 | nvz | so in other words I dont see any reason you couldn't goto the mirror and download that package and install it without breaking anything and solve your problem |
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| 02:03.27 | dbbolton | nvz: what if i just extract the 'libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.3 |
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| 02:03.49 | dbbolton | ' file since it's the only important one in the package |
| 02:04.37 | nvz | dbbolton: hey, we're talking hacks to fix this so whatever pulls your bandwagon.. personally I'd use a package but its up to you |
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| 02:06.08 | dvs | ,version libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 02:06.45 | dbbolton | it looks like libsdl1.2debian in wheezy contains the same file name so i'll try it first |
| 02:07.39 | dbbolton | right now libSDL-1.2.so.0 is a broken link to libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.3 |
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| 02:10.06 | dbbolton | voila |
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| 02:16.38 | enod | here is a question: how do i remove the mint properly and fix this error? |
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| 02:17.29 | enod | then following instructions for mixxx might actually work! |
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| 02:19.12 | somiaj | enod: what do you mean, you added a mint repo on a debian install and then installed packages from that repo? |
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| 02:26.09 | enod | somiaj: yes |
| 02:26.15 | enod | i think |
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| 02:27.08 | enod | all it seemed to do was change my wallpaper/homepage etc. |
| 02:27.28 | somiaj | well I think you should figure out what it is you have done -- a fresh install may be the easiest method, but via apt-policy and other tools you can determine which packages are installed from the mint repo and remove them and/or install the debian one over it with pinning |
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| 02:28.57 | enod | okay.. might you be able to provide me a command to that effect :D? |
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| 02:29.56 | somiaj | nope, and this place is not a place to support what you have done with mixing linux distributions. Either choose debian or choose mint if you can't figure out how to mix/match them yourself. |
| 02:30.08 | enod | fair |
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| 02:30.54 | enod | i will in this case be back! |
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| 02:37.18 | jaggz | abrotman: sorry for delay.. visitor came over.. regarding the "Sender address rejected: Domain not found"... Yes, I do have a valid server in resolv.conf and haven't changed nsswitch.conf |
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| 02:38.23 | abrotman | VISITOR?! |
| 02:38.29 | abrotman | OUT, OUT DAMN YOU! |
| 02:38.37 | jaggz | no this one is here helping :) |
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| 02:39.29 | jaggz | but not with my server |
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| 02:39.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any tools that I can feed a text file to, that contains links to files on an ftp server, such as Filezilla or something similar that allows for multiple simultaneous transfers at once? Ive tried making it into a bash script using wget on each line but one file at a time will take forever. I have a list of 6000+ files. |
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| 02:40.34 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: your bash-fu must suck.. lol |
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| 02:41.03 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: perhaps ask #bash to help you |
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| 02:42.04 | nvz | I was about to suggest fatrat or multiget |
| 02:42.07 | nvz | but he left |
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| 02:47.32 | chalk45 | i bet it'd be easy to write a multigetting bash script |
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| 02:57.45 | shauno | I'd just use wget -i. maybe use head & tail to split the file in half and run a few copies side by side |
| 02:58.07 | shauno | being clever takes too much time |
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| 03:00.42 | abrotman | shauno: and reading docs is hard ... |
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| 03:06.33 | dashs | How long must a process wait for a port whose socket was closed by another process? Is there a way to forcibly 'unbind' the port? |
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| 03:11.58 | dashs | The answer seems to be 1 minute ... wow there's a design gem. |
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| 03:13.33 | iluminator101 | gnome volume control is giving me Bus error???? |
| 03:15.25 | stew | dashs: i don't see why a process would have to wait at all |
| 03:16.15 | dashs | stew: I think I'm closing the socket before I exit the original process. |
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| 03:16.54 | stew | ok? |
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| 03:18.51 | lv_ | hey guys where can i download 4.0 and 5.0 network install iso's |
| 03:19.50 | stew | lv_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 03:19.57 | lv_ | stew, thx |
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| 03:27.22 | iluminator101 | stew the volume control is giving me bus error, is there any way i can reload it without being root |
| 03:27.23 | pushpop | anyone here use pureftp? |
| 03:27.50 | tharkun | !anyone |
| 03:27.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 03:29.07 | iluminator101 | the volume control is giving me bus error, how can i fix this error |
| 03:29.37 | stew | iluminator101: if you are getting a bus error, it sounds like a driver problem or a hardware problem, not a volume control problem |
| 03:29.42 | stew | pushpop: assume yes |
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| 03:30.07 | ner0x | Any list of debian games (Commercial, hopefully RPG) ? |
| 03:30.12 | mosno | this little light of miiiine... i'm gonna let it shiiiine |
| 03:30.38 | stew | ner0x: look at the goplay package |
| 03:30.46 | pushpop | stew, how do you configure pureftp to allow unlimited uploading as in no storage limit |
| 03:31.15 | mosno | gah, did it again, thought this was #defocus |
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| 03:31.53 | stew | pushpop: i would be suprised if that was not the way it works by default |
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| 03:36.06 | gnarface | pushpop: unlimited? i think you're gonna need a bigger harddrive... |
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| 03:38.39 | rocketmagnet | hi all, can someone help me with a boot problem ? when ifirst installed debian the X11 seems to works like normaly, but now when i try to boot my machine hangs as soons as the X11 should start normaly - where can i find the logs so i can get an idea what's going wrong here |
| 03:38.58 | rocketmagnet | maybe does it help if i try to install the nvidia packages ? |
| 03:39.18 | gnarface | rocketmagnet: your log is probably /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:39.42 | gnarface | rocketmagnet: well you need a video card driver. |
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| 03:40.08 | gnarface | rocketmagnet: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 03:42.16 | rocketmagnet | gnarface: i'm on windows atm so i've to reboot to single-usermode first |
| 03:42.37 | rocketmagnet | i go to single-user-mode and come back |
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| 03:50.56 | torturedsoul | hi, is there any program similar to winhex for linux? |
| 03:51.04 | torturedsoul | i need to view/edit a hdd |
| 03:51.55 | gnarface | torturedsoul: you mean hexedit? |
| 03:52.01 | tharkun | Gentlemen how do i find out which package has the e100 module ? |
| 03:52.14 | gnarface | tharkun: is not in your kernel? |
| 03:52.46 | tharkun | gnarface: updating from lenny to squeeze and it complains about not beeing free |
| 03:52.57 | torturedsoul | gnarface yea i need to hex edit a physical hard disk |
| 03:53.01 | torturedsoul | running debian from a live cd... |
| 03:53.15 | tharkun | gnarface: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100 |
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| 03:54.15 | gnarface | tharkun: hmm. well you can do an apt-file search for that |
| 03:54.46 | gnarface | tharkun: its probably in firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 03:55.28 | tharkun | gnarface: I'll try the firmware-linux-nonfree no apt-file on this edge |
| 03:55.54 | tharkun | gnarface: did not find it |
| 03:55.58 | gnarface | torturedsoul: the program is called 'hexeit' but there are others |
| 03:56.06 | Rusty1 | torturedsoul: there used to be something called lde |
| 03:56.35 | gnarface | tharkun: you probably need to add contrib and non-free to your sources |
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| 03:56.47 | torturedsoul | u sure hexedit can edit /dev/sda? |
| 03:56.52 | torturedsoul | so far i've only found 'file' hex editors for linux |
| 03:56.54 | torturedsoul | which are useless |
| 03:57.02 | Rusty1 | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/lde |
| 03:57.29 | torturedsoul | omg gnarface |
| 03:57.32 | torturedsoul | thats a CLI hex editor |
| 03:57.36 | torturedsoul | i need a gui like winhex |
| 03:57.48 | tharkun | gnarface: thx fixed sources.list |
| 03:57.51 | gnarface | torturedsoul: no, you don't. |
| 03:58.15 | torturedsoul | seems like linux has not got the program i need |
| 03:58.28 | gnarface | torturedsoul: i'm sure one exists, but you do NOT need it. try doing some searches for other debian packaged hex editors |
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| 03:58.46 | torturedsoul | i need to view various sectors of a HDD |
| 03:58.53 | enod | hello again |
| 03:58.54 | torturedsoul | find that on a cli would be ..... |
| 04:00.17 | enod | i have returned my system to the regular repositories, removed debian mint. |
| 04:01.08 | enod | i lost the commands given for installing mixxx |
| 04:02.27 | enod | stew: are you still there? |
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| 04:09.35 | CyL | Hi, I have followed Debian guidelines for changing the hostname, but my system just get the old one back after each reboot. Any advice please? |
| 04:10.18 | gnarface | CyL: sounds like something overwrites it. could be dhcp client? |
| 04:10.59 | CyL | gnarface: I'm not very sure about this... this is a VPS I'm running from linode, I believe it's IP is statically configured |
| 04:11.39 | gnarface | CyL: ah its a VPS! possibly then your hosting provider has to make the change to make it permanent then. |
| 04:11.48 | gnarface | CyL: either way its their job to take care of it for you. |
| 04:12.18 | CyL | gnarface: Well, in fact I have full root access to the system, so I believe this is my duty, not theirs |
| 04:12.46 | gnarface | CyL: but you don't have full access to the HOST system, which is probably where the hostname that gets assigned on boot is set. |
| 04:13.11 | gnarface | CyL: i recommend sending in a support request ticket |
| 04:13.25 | CyL | gnarface: thanks very much for your advice |
| 04:13.40 | gnarface | CyL: good luck |
| 04:14.07 | gnarface | CyL: maybe they provide a web interface for changing it at the host level. |
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| 04:15.01 | CyL | gnarface: they got a very nice web interface and also a special shell for host level configuration, I'm pretty sure that is I must change something at the host level, it can be done there |
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| 04:17.30 | gnarface | CyL: sorry i can't give you any more specific advice. i'm not familiar with linode's virtualization setup |
| 04:17.30 | Pavel | Hi. I built easystroke 0.5.4 from source from a Git repository (since there is no Debian package), and it looks like the gestures work even if gnome-screensaver is active and locked. It is possible that it's a side-effect of easystroke source code being trojaned, but it seems more likely that it's a security hole in gnome-screensaver. Is it something I should report to Debian BTS? |
| 04:18.29 | CyL | gnarface: okay |
| 04:18.35 | Pavel | It just seems that an application shouldn't be able to accidentally bypass the screensaver. |
| 04:20.16 | Ex-Opesa | Using openvz I made a soft symlink of host's /mnt to one of my VE's. It didn't work. VE says "Too many levels of symbolic links" So what should I do to remotely mount directory? SSHFS? I actually kind of want to mount a remote directory. |
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| 04:29.05 | Blueleaf | who can help a half-idiot live boot debian from usb on his ubuntu machine? |
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| 04:33.34 | Blueleaf | who can help a half-idiot live boot debian from usb on his ubuntu machine? |
| 04:34.08 | leefan | a live boot should work regardless of OS? |
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| 04:35.08 | McLovin926 | a live boot will not work reguardless of os, it all depends on hardware |
| 04:35.27 | leefan | well yea but assuming the hardware is good the OS doesnt matter right |
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| 04:36.48 | McLovin926 | well when u liveboot, the os is the live system, not the os ur on |
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| 04:41.46 | stew | enod: you want #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for help with mint |
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| 04:48.26 | acu | I have noticed that for debian squeeze 6.02 there are two new update DVD for download - dvd1 update and dvd2 update (the 2 is only 600 mb - do I need the originals and the updates ? - I want to download full set |
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| 04:49.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | acu: i you have an originnal dvd set get the update discs.if you don't, just download a new set of dvds |
| 04:50.24 | karlpinc | acu: FYI, you generally only want dvds if you're going to be offline. Otherwise install from the netinstall and get just the updates/software you actually use from the net. |
| 04:53.26 | Blueleaf | how can i live disk debian 6.2 so i can try it out? |
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| 04:56.42 | karlpinc | !debian live |
| 04:56.42 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 04:57.35 | enod | stew: i think i might have solved the mint thing and repository problems. i (hope) i am ready for installing mixxx? |
| 04:59.27 | enod | someone told me to apt-get build-dep build-essential something |
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| 05:00.13 | acu | this is the link for debian download - however if you look at two DVD updates (1 and 2 ) they are not similar to the DVD1 original - my question is if I need to download both - |
| 05:00.17 | acu | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 05:01.08 | acu | I used always netinstall - but I am traveling - so I cannot have access at my will for big downloads - posible some updates |
| 05:02.17 | acu | and where can I download the non-free contrib ones ? |
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| 05:06.48 | stew | enod: if you are running mint, you should be asking for help in their channel |
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| 05:07.30 | stew | enod: if you were using mint, which is based on testing, I'd expect you to just have to "aptitude install mixxx", but you should be asking them, not us |
| 05:07.38 | acu | karlpinc, Kamping_Kaiser - could you look at the link I give - I would prefer not to download all dvd2 |
| 05:07.49 | enod | i have a debian install! |
| 05:08.19 | enod | i tried adding mint repos and messed up updating but i fixed that |
| 05:08.25 | stew | uh |
| 05:08.26 | enod | removed all mint packages |
| 05:08.30 | stew | enod: you shouldn't do that |
| 05:08.36 | stew | enod: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 05:09.21 | McLovin926 | enod, there is a way to use the mint repos with debian, I use them, on my own custom debian setup, but I'm also a mint dev, so it makes it a little easier, lol |
| 05:09.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | acu: if you're going to download the whole lot as dvds why not download a mirror onto your laptop? (assuming you have the space) |
| 05:09.31 | stew | McLovin926: please don't recommend this |
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| 05:09.39 | McLovin926 | I'm not recomending it |
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| 05:09.50 | enod | hehehe |
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| 05:10.03 | enod | can't find libc6 |
| 05:10.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | acu: do you have an existing dd set? if not, ignore the update disks |
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| 05:10.32 | stew | enod: are you running linux? |
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| 05:10.53 | enod | haha sorry |
| 05:11.11 | enod | libc6 version 2.11.2-10 |
| 05:11.14 | enod | took a sec |
| 05:11.17 | stew | enod: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 05:11.18 | acu | Kamping_Kaiser that would be a choice - I did it before - how do I pull the mirror ? (my only problem is that I added Solid State Drive - and I am almost out of it - I will add second one so I might be able to get the whole mirror) -- |
| 05:11.42 | acu | Kamping_Kaiser, no I do not have any existing set (except the netinstall) |
| 05:11.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | acu: you would use debmirror to make a mirror |
| 05:11.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | acu: then ignore the update disks |
| 05:12.28 | acu | OK - so the updates are for previous version - |
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| 05:13.05 | acu | I did a debmiror 4 years ago - I hope I remember how I did it - |
| 05:13.34 | enod | hmmm |
| 05:13.46 | enod | no such file or directory |
| 05:14.08 | enod | msg: command not found |
| 05:14.15 | stew | dpkg: tell enod about ssb |
| 05:14.25 | enod | oh |
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| 05:15.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | acu: http://pastebin.com/2PResvx1 customise as needed |
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| 05:18.04 | enod | i think i failed |
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| 05:19.00 | stew | McLovin926: you are a mint developer? |
| 05:19.17 | McLovin926 | yeah |
| 05:19.36 | stew | McLovin926: i'm curious if you are knowlegeble about the legality of the software you guys distribute |
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| 05:19.57 | stew | McLovin926: i know at some point you guys were distributing stuff like nvidia drivers under the GPL, which seemed quite odd to me |
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| 05:20.11 | McLovin926 | we have specific versions for the US and Japan markets that do not include the codecs |
| 05:20.13 | stew | McLovin926: and I'm curious what you guys had to do in order to get written permission from skype to distribute their software |
| 05:20.15 | izua | hello. |
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| 05:20.54 | izua | what should i backup if i'm going to install debian w/ grub, and then, at some latter point possibly remove grub? |
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| 05:21.03 | stew | McLovin926: what codecs? |
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| 05:21.09 | tensorpudding | wouldn't claiming that your distributed drivers were GPL require you to have a repository of the source code made available? |
| 05:21.15 | McLovin926 | we don't actually distribute the Nvidia drivers, we just provide links to get the drivers in much easier way, it's actually the same method Ubuntu uses |
| 05:21.20 | izua | every time i've done this, windows started whining about its authenticity and forced me to reauth it. |
| 05:21.35 | stew | McLovin926: you used to distribute nvidia drivers under the GPL |
| 05:21.35 | McLovin926 | the mp3 codecs and things that require licensing |
| 05:21.59 | stew | McLovin926: what was required to get the written permission from skype to distriubte their software? |
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| 05:22.33 | McLovin926 | we used Envy to get the drivers, we never actually distributed the driver directly |
| 05:22.33 | tensorpudding | this is offtopic |
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| 05:23.07 | McLovin926 | as for skype, I'm not too sure, Clem, the originator, and actual owner of the distro itself, handles all the legal issues, we just build the different versions, and test things to make sure they work |
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| 05:23.22 | stew | yes, clem is the one that used to claim copyright on the nvidia drivers |
| 05:23.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 05:24.30 | stew | but i'm guessing he just steals this stuff |
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| 05:24.50 | McLovin926 | ok, I'm not getting into a flame war about things |
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| 05:27.05 | izua | what does grub install when detecting windows in parallel? |
| 05:27.26 | izua | (read: what should i backup, so windows won't whine when removing grub) ? |
| 05:27.42 | enod | i'm a bit lost, but very enthusiastic to install mixxx :( |
| 05:27.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | removing grub2? |
| 05:27.57 | izua | Kamping_Kaiser: think removing the whole os, including grub. |
| 05:29.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | don't know how grub boots windows, but i suspect running the windows disk in rescue and using /fixmbr would be eaiser |
| 05:29.38 | izua | nope, windows 7. |
| 05:29.53 | valdyn | izua: just the mbr |
| 05:30.07 | izua | using it after grub will result in some snafu and requiring reauthentication for windows geniune annoyance |
| 05:30.11 | izua | just the mbr? |
| 05:30.15 | izua | ah. |
| 05:30.27 | izua | so it's a simple matter of dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 |
| 05:30.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | izua: that sounds like Genuine Fail |
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| 05:31.08 | izua | it is. |
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| 05:44.54 | valdyn | izua: i dont know, its easy to just grab everything before the first partition |
| 05:45.27 | izua | everything before the first partition? |
| 05:45.39 | valdyn | izua: yes? |
| 05:45.50 | izua | isn't that just the mbr, the first sector after the mbr being the boot record of the first partition? |
| 05:46.14 | valdyn | izua: if you did "fdisk -l" you sould see the first partition does not start at block 1 |
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| 05:46.40 | izua | indeed it doesn't. so what's in between? |
| 05:46.57 | valdyn | izua: nothing or your boot manager, depends |
| 05:47.17 | izua | hm. |
| 05:47.28 | izua | in this case, it starts at 63. so count=63? |
| 05:47.33 | valdyn | izua: grub2 for instance will use up to nearly 30kB there |
| 05:47.51 | izua | heh |
| 05:47.52 | valdyn | izua: yea |
| 05:47.58 | izua | i'm not very familiar with booting techniques |
| 05:48.29 | izua | what's that zone used for? |
| 05:48.41 | valdyn | izua: well, its not very complex at that stage usually, unless with grub2 where raid and lvm and fs drivers may be embedded there |
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| 05:48.59 | izua | hehe, in 30k? |
| 05:49.01 | izua | that's pretty neat |
| 05:49.03 | valdyn | izua: yes |
| 05:49.35 | izua | heh |
| 05:49.50 | izua | and all this trouble so one simply won't have a separate boot partition |
| 05:50.00 | valdyn | izua: ls /boot/grub/*.mod <- thats the drivers as files |
| 05:50.07 | izua | yeah |
| 05:50.21 | izua | but you need some very simple drivers i assume, to even read those |
| 05:50.36 | izua | and md, lvm and some basic fs sound like the right thing |
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| 05:53.46 | _adam_ | i have an error when im trying to open the network-manager gnome setup window |
| 05:53.51 | _adam_ | nm-connection-editor: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libnm-glib-vpn.so.1: cannot read file data: Input/output error |
| 05:54.17 | _adam_ | wut naou? |
| 05:55.02 | _adam_ | i opened gnome settings window from a root terminal |
| 05:55.04 | izua | stat /usr/lib/libnm-glib-vpn.so.1 pls |
| 05:55.39 | _adam_ | File: â/usr/lib/libnm-glib-vpn.so.1â -> âlibnm-glib-vpn.so.1.0.0â |
| 05:55.40 | _adam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.40 | _adam_ | Device: fh/15dInode: 73857 Links: 1 |
| 05:55.40 | _adam_ | Access: (0777/lrwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 05:55.40 | _adam_ | Access: 2011-06-28 17:58:50.623916610 +0200 |
| 05:55.40 | _adam_ | Modify: 2011-06-28 17:57:21.227914363 +0200 |
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| 05:56.09 | _adam_ | um soz |
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| 05:57.33 | Ex-Opesa | lol |
| 05:57.38 | Ex-Opesa | Ops^ |
| 05:57.51 | _adam_ | and i have libnm-glib-vpn.so.1.0.0 |
| 05:58.17 | izua | odd. |
| 05:58.33 | izua | shouldn't you be launching the configuration panels through the menus, not directly from the terminal? |
| 05:58.49 | izua | cause there's ifconfig and wpa_supplicant and route and all the other goodies if you want terminal access |
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| 05:58.59 | qiyong | hi, anyone help me with grep? |
| 05:59.06 | _adam_ | doesnt open it |
| 05:59.37 | _adam_ | so it looks like starting, but it disappears from panel |
| 05:59.37 | qiyong | i want to do output | grep A | grep -v B, but with only one grep calling |
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| 06:00.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | qiyong: probably want -E |
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| 06:00.26 | qiyong | Kamping_Kaiser grep -E A -v B ? |
| 06:00.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Quite: #bash or #gnu might be better places for that question (not sure if ther eis a #grep) |
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| 06:00.43 | gnarface | qiyong: i'd go |grep A\|B |
| 06:01.10 | qiyong | gnarface look i want -v B |
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| 06:01.38 | stew | qiyong: what is "B" is it a character? a word? a regex? |
| 06:02.05 | _adam_ | anyone could help me which package provides libnm-glib-vpn.so.1.0.0? i dont have reliable network connection and browser yet |
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| 06:02.22 | _adam_ | and im running on btrfs |
| 06:02.32 | _adam_ | but this wouldnt matters |
| 06:02.34 | stew | judd: file libnm-glib-vpn.so.1.0.0 |
| 06:02.37 | judd | libnm-glib-vpn.so.1.0.0 in squeeze/i386: libnm-glib-vpn1: usr/lib/libnm-glib-vpn.so.1.0.0; network-manager-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libnm-glib-vpn.so.1.0.0 |
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| 06:02.50 | qiyong | stew i just want to grep not include B |
| 06:03.18 | stew | qiyong: yes, I understand. what is B? do you literally mean the character "B"? or is B another regex? or a word? or what? |
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| 06:03.27 | _adam_ | sec |
| 06:04.08 | qiyong | stew: A and B are both words |
| 06:04.15 | stew | qiyong: what words? |
| 06:04.35 | _adam_ | bai |
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| 06:05.03 | qiyong | stew: some_ouput | grep foo | grep -v bar |
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| 06:07.38 | stew | qiyong: its going to be something like: grep -E '^([^b]*(b[^a])|(ba[^r]))*foo([^b]*|(b[^a])|(ba[^r]))*$' |
| 06:08.09 | stew | qiyong: you have to match the foo, and then construct regexes that match anythin BUT bar on either side of the foo |
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| 06:18.31 | jaggz | Why is postfix rejecting my incoming email from gmail? it seems to reject it at reject_unknown_sender_domain. gmail.com looks up fine from shell, but mail log shows: "dns_query: gmail.com (AAAA): Host not found, try again". and "NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[209.85.210.178]: 450 4.1.8 <testaccount@gmail.com>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found;" |
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| 06:19.37 | Flash_ | just a wild guess - but it might be trying ipv6 lookups (hence the AAAA) |
| 06:21.00 | jaggz | ooh that's interesting.. what handles ipv6 lookups? |
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| 06:21.13 | jlaw | good morning. i am trying to enable intelfb to get my native resolution of 1024x600 on my netbook. i added "video=intelfb:1024x600-32@75" according to the kernel documentation. i also added "options intelfb mode=1024x600-32@75 accel=1 hwcursor=1" to /etc/modprobe.d/intelfb.conf. but this has absolutely no effect. vesa fb gets loaded (hwinfo --framebuffer says vesa fb) and there are no related messages in dmesg. i'm a little lost. |
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| 06:21.16 | jaggz | we're not internally doing any ipv6 |
| 06:21.42 | Flash_ | i don't know, sorry. hopefully someone else can help further |
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| 06:28.50 | jaggz | :/ |
| 06:32.39 | gnarface | jlaw: probably you're following out-dated docs? i think now you assign that stuff through grub directly |
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| 06:40.27 | Efazati | i have external hard with bad sector ( when i write data there is no problem but now i want copy data ... external hard unmounted automatically ) how i can copy all file from hard and reformat all data with program like gparted? |
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| 06:44.24 | Flash_ | mount readonly and copy off? or use dd? |
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| 06:55.46 | shirish | hi all, what is the command to put all the processes which are on right now in a .txt file |
| 06:55.56 | shirish | I know it is something like ps aux and then something |
| 06:56.51 | kurtis | Hey guys, I'm planning a home network built around a Debian server for my cousin's family (they have 6 girls). I'm going to be using Ubuntu (or maybe a lighter deb-compatible distro) for the clients but the server will be running strictly Debian. The first problem I'm trying to tackle is letting the girls use their data regardless of the computer their own. Would mounting a network /home folder (using NFS) be the best way to go about this? |
| 06:57.07 | kurtis | shirish: ps -aux > processes.txt |
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| 06:57.46 | vlt | Hello. How can I run a program and tell it (on command line) to always stay on top of the other X windows? |
| 06:57.47 | shirish | kurtis: it says bad ps syntax and gives me a url |
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| 06:58.24 | kurtis | shirish: ps aux > processes.txt |
| 06:58.33 | shirish | kurtis: right, found that out, thanx. |
| 06:58.36 | shirish | out |
| 06:58.36 | kurtis | np |
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| 06:59.00 | kurtis | vlt: No idea, although you may have better luck in a channel for X or whatever Window Manager you are using |
| 06:59.40 | vlt | Efazati: Try ddrescue. It'll adapt its read speed to the amount of faulty sectors. |
| 06:59.52 | vlt | kurtis: Thank you. |
| 07:00.13 | kurtis | vlt: No problem, I wish I could help more. Good luck! |
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| 07:02.17 | vlt | kurtis: The window manager to be used, btw, can be part of the answer, not of the question ;-) |
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| 07:03.40 | kurtis | vlt: I just read something about deskpins from a quick google search, have you looked into that? |
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| 07:04.57 | vlt | kurtis: Is deskpins a tool to manage windows on an X server? Something liek xdotool? |
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| 07:05.41 | kurtis | vlt: Whoops scratch that, I looked up the actual web site and it appears to be for windows. sorry! |
| 07:06.35 | kurtis | I type in Linux and soo many windows posts come up. They're all trying to benefit from people asking Linux questions I guess, haha |
| 07:06.56 | vlt | ;-) |
| 07:07.14 | Efazati | vlt tnx |
| 07:07.15 | vlt | I found wmctrl |
| 07:07.33 | kurtis | vlt: actually |
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| 07:07.40 | larrikin | I've just lost XDM seemingly due to either PAM or LIBC6 moving pam modules from /lib/security to /lib/i386-linux-gnu/security .. can somebody tell me the correct fix ? /var/log/auth.log contains lots of xdm: dlopen .. cannot find /lib/security/pam_... |
| 07:07.44 | kurtis | If you're using gnome you can just right click on the titlebar and check "Always on top" |
| 07:08.05 | vlt | kurtis: I need something completely scriptable |
| 07:08.22 | kurtis | vlt: ahh yeah forgot about that part of the request. Hopefully wmctrl works out for you |
| 07:08.22 | vlt | kurtis: No mouse involved at all |
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| 07:08.40 | kurtis | larrikin: Maybe reinstall it? |
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| 07:10.36 | larrikin | kurtis: I've already upgraded xdm .. will try a reinstall |
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| 07:27.22 | Mmike | Hi, Lads. If I add 'backports' to my sources.list, how do I make them 'optional', i.e., only install from there if I say: apt-get install -t lenny-backports ? |
| 07:29.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mmike: afaik like that by default |
| 07:29.47 | Mmike | Heh, ignore me |
| 07:29.50 | Mmike | Kamping_Kaiser, yeps |
| 07:29.56 | Mmike | and reading some docs helps too :) |
| 07:30.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mmike: :) |
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| 07:40.41 | kzar` | Can anyone recommend me a log monitoring tool like swatch or logwatch? I want to be alerted as I'm getting hacked |
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| 07:43.31 | eth01 | this script won't run....http://pastebin.com/pZG3PwMp why? :-) |
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| 07:44.34 | stockholm | eth01: that is pretty much as unrelated to debian as possible |
| 07:44.44 | stockholm | for scripting help go to #bash or so |
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| 07:46.11 | mosno | stockholm, i'd say a powershell script would be more unrelated :) |
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| 07:46.34 | stockholm | mosno: ah, i stand corrected |
| 07:46.39 | stockholm | sorry |
| 07:46.43 | mosno | :P |
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| 08:12.25 | Maimster | Looking to download Debian from an ftp, do I really need to download 7 DVDs? |
| 08:13.24 | lesser | nope |
| 08:13.34 | lesser | you need only one |
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| 08:13.38 | lesser | the first |
| 08:13.40 | Maimster | Can I just grab and install the first one? |
| 08:13.42 | Maimster | Cool |
| 08:13.43 | lesser | same with CDs |
| 08:13.44 | Maimster | Thanks. |
| 08:13.47 | Maimster | phew!! |
| 08:13.49 | Maimster | okay. |
| 08:13.52 | lesser | ;-) |
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| 08:15.14 | Maimster | I was thinking what did they do to this distro. I'm grabbing it now. again thanks. |
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| 08:28.55 | icy946 | Hello. I am using Debian Lenny, with sysv-rc's version = 2.86. Can I upgrade sysv-rc to a newer version? |
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| 08:44.32 | orioni | where can i find the lzma compression fingerprint pattern ? |
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| 08:50.00 | nkuttler | orioni: what do you mean? |
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| 08:53.05 | larrikin | still can't get xdm working after upgrading libc6/pam .. problem is the multiarch transition ? |
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| 08:57.08 | coolcat | hey how do I see which debian version I am running |
| 08:57.09 | coolcat | ? |
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| 08:58.27 | k0t0 | coolcat, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:58.42 | zyxon | hello, I'd like to prevent the 'floppy' module from loading at boot, since I have no floppy drive currently in my machine, so it causes a rather lengthy delay at bootup. how do I do that? I have the module 'floppy' blacklisted, but it still shows up in lsmod. |
| 08:59.19 | coolcat | k0t0: thanks |
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| 09:06.38 | l33_ | hi |
| 09:08.00 | l33_ | sorry, that i am distrubing you, may i ask you why my network applet says that there is no connection but i can still be online (internet,irc,apt-get) |
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| 09:09.54 | l33_ | switched from ubuntu 11 to debian squeeze |
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| 09:11.03 | l33_ | while installing debian i had to enter my isp informations, so i guess this established pppoe connection is now blockinh the network applet tool from connecting |
| 09:13.15 | l33_ | i searched the net for some days now and couldnt find a working solution, thats why i aasking here |
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| 09:16.40 | l33_ | you are right - i should stick to the alpha release of ubuntu 11.11 |
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| 09:16.47 | l33_ | thanks for nothing |
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| 09:19.37 | desperateCoder | hello! can anyone help me to install debian Squeeze? everytime i boot the DVD / CD, it shows the starting screen. when i press "install", my computer reboots. why does it do this? |
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| 09:20.26 | desperateCoder | it is an AMD Athlon X2, 2GB RAM |
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| 10:02.40 | MadCarburetor | Hi |
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| 10:02.57 | MadCarburetor | Will the next version of Debian have Gnome Shell? out of the box? |
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| 10:03.33 | noo | hello. What does the intel_ips module do? I have an invidia card in my notebook and I can't find a proper description of it on the internet |
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| 10:06.37 | MadCarburetor | ??? |
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| 10:06.47 | noo | noo: would I miss something big if I just disable the module? |
| 10:07.21 | babilen | MadCarburetor: Yes -- /msg dpkg gnome3 |
| 10:07.41 | MadCarburetor | msg dpkg what |
| 10:08.34 | MadCarburetor | oh |
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| 10:37.58 | hroi | which directory is the official /etc/init directory in debian? |
| 10:38.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | uh... whats your actual question? |
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| 10:39.05 | hroi | I mean, is the etc/init.d/ the directory that contains the run-levels, rc.1 etc |
| 10:39.19 | hroi | rc0.d - rc6.d |
| 10:39.35 | hroi | should it be there I mean... I dont see it |
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| 10:40.58 | yopyop | Hello, is there a limit in kernel or debian of network interface number ? |
| 10:41.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | hroi: runlevels are in rc.{0-6}.d |
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| 10:44.50 | fleischergesell | How can i find all files modified between yesterday 00:00:00 and yesterday 23:59:59? |
| 10:45.06 | fleischergesell | Unfortunately, "find" only allows -newer FILENAME but not -older FILENAME |
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| 10:46.30 | fleischergesell | And from what I understand, the mtime options only allow for "past x days", wehre as past counts from runtime-x*24h, which does not help me here |
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| 10:48.26 | Bushmills | -ctime can be used with +arg and -arg for older resp. newer |
| 10:48.53 | shauno | -daytime would also be relevant |
| 10:49.04 | shauno | er, daystart rather |
| 10:49.09 | Bushmills | or -cmin for minutes |
| 10:49.34 | avernos | how can i install other languages? i cant read asian languages at all |
| 10:50.29 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 10:50.35 | gnarface | reasons why svn merge operations might fail silently? anyone? |
| 10:50.56 | Bushmills | -mmin instead of -cmin, depending on what change you're looking at |
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| 10:51.51 | Bushmills | gnarface: because messages are redirected to /dev/null |
| 10:52.34 | gnarface | Bushmills: that wouldn't be the default right? |
| 10:53.00 | Bushmills | ehm no. I just gave a solution to "reasons why svn merge operations might fail silently" |
| 10:53.08 | gnarface | oh |
| 10:53.21 | gnarface | got anything else? |
| 10:53.27 | Bushmills | you *can* let things fail silently by redirecting their error messages |
| 10:53.34 | gnarface | obviously |
| 10:53.47 | gnarface | but why might a merge silently fail for ONE user but not another? |
| 10:53.55 | gnarface | both users can successfully check out the same software... |
| 10:54.12 | gnarface | svn 1.6.17 but its happening on other systems too |
| 10:54.15 | gnarface | other clients |
| 10:54.20 | Bushmills | ah. i know that too. because one user redirects messages, the other doesn't :D |
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| 10:57.36 | py_ | I have a squeeze box running X with no xorg.conf file. Settings are good, execpt one option that I want to add. How should I proceed in this kind of "xorg.conf-less" setup? |
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| 10:59.12 | Bushmills | you could maybe add that X option to /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 10:59.51 | cnu | can i make debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-businesscard.iso install thru ttyS0? |
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| 11:01.05 | themill | !xorg.conf.d |
| 11:01.05 | dpkg | xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf". |
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| 11:08.27 | sl1ck | Can anyone help me with a hostapd? I can't configure hostapd.conf for 802.11 N. |
| 11:08.59 | sl1ck | Does anyone have working 11N config file? |
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| 11:21.12 | sarimkhan | i have downloaded debian-6.0.2.1-kfreebsd-amd64-CD-1.iso, now i want to install it by booting from usb pendrive. How can i make a bootable usb ? |
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| 11:24.39 | abrotman | sarimkhan: the installation manual should tell you |
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| 11:25.12 | abrotman | sarimkhan: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/kfreebsd-amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 11:26.06 | sarimkhan | i'm trying with unetboonin now |
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| 11:26.41 | sarimkhan | A second disadvantage is that you cannot copy a full CD image onto the USB stick, but only the smaller businesscard or netinst CD images. |
| 11:26.56 | abrotman | right, well .. some people read the instructions before starting |
| 11:27.19 | sarimkhan | I have installed debian before |
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| 11:27.39 | sarimkhan | so, the situation hasn't improved yet |
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| 11:27.42 | abrotman | you've installed debian gnu/linux before ..not kfreebsd ? |
| 11:27.48 | sarimkhan | no CD iso :( |
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| 11:28.01 | sarimkhan | yeah, i installed the debian - linux |
| 11:28.07 | abrotman | the linux process has gotten easier .. kfreebsd apparently has not |
| 11:29.00 | sarimkhan | I remembered that i placed the CD iso in another disk, and booted from a usb disk |
| 11:29.21 | sarimkhan | but debian installed only installed a minimum system |
| 11:29.36 | sarimkhan | i had to manually install the gnome and others |
| 11:29.38 | sarimkhan | :( |
| 11:29.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | i should probably install kfreebsd at some point. would be good to know aobut |
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| 11:30.19 | sarimkhan | last time i tried to install the kfreebsd version |
| 11:30.30 | sarimkhan | inside virtualbox |
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| 11:30.37 | sarimkhan | the bootloader failed to install |
| 11:30.43 | casts | last time i tried to install the kfreebsd version on my hardware, it went really well and everything worked. |
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| 11:31.00 | casts | sarimkhan: virtualbox is not a supported port ;\ |
| 11:31.16 | sarimkhan | but the installation went well though ;) |
| 11:32.11 | sarimkhan | i lend my dvd rw to a friend, so now need to bash my head with usb |
| 11:32.12 | sarimkhan | :( |
| 11:32.34 | stew | casts: not that there is a virtualbox port, but why would virtualbox be unsupported? |
| 11:32.36 | abrotman | tiny head? |
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| 11:33.51 | abrotman | thought virtualbox emulated a pretty basic class of hardware |
| 11:34.20 | stew | and if its doing that incorrectly, it seems that it should be something we fix, since its in debian |
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| 11:35.56 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:37.41 | Fudge | hi having trouble finding 6.0.2 , it is released isnt it ? |
| 11:38.10 | sarimkhan | well, unetbootin failed completely :P |
| 11:38.19 | sarimkhan | where is that hd-media/boot.img.gz ? |
| 11:39.01 | djura-san | Fudge: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/ |
| 11:39.17 | Fudge | djura-san thank you |
| 11:39.35 | abrotman | contemplates morning ride ... |
| 11:39.38 | djura-san | Fudge: np. That is CD, and for DVD's just navigate trough address i gave to you |
| 11:39.46 | abrotman | bleh, wrong channel |
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| 11:39.58 | djura-san | :D |
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| 11:42.13 | casts | stew: oh i was just playing the devils advocate, it is an interesting question, i find it somewhat frequent that people mention they installed XYZ in virtualbox and had a problem with it (case in point here), given the diversity of x86 hardware, i can see there being many implementation choices when writing soemthing like virtualbox |
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| 11:43.10 | abrotman | casts: have you actually used vb ? |
| 11:43.14 | casts | i have |
| 11:43.15 | abrotman | vbox |
| 11:43.34 | abrotman | (not to be confused with vb .. which wouldn't let you install anything on it :)) |
| 11:43.44 | sarimkhan | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-kfreebsd-amd64/current/images/ |
| 11:43.55 | sarimkhan | here, no hd-media/boot.img.gz is present |
| 11:43.56 | sarimkhan | :( |
| 11:44.19 | sarimkhan | do u mean vb = visual basic ? =)) |
| 11:44.34 | stew | casts: i dont' see why we wouldn't support that though. if people are having those kind of troubles, they can be filing bugs in our bug tracking system |
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| 11:46.51 | casts | stew: in supporting virtualbox would it be with only debian as the host OS, or would, say, debian on virtualbox on windows, be supported too? |
| 11:48.49 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i hate the traffic at the lights on the way to work... all three of em. |
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| 11:49.55 | hroi | why is it that when I restart the /etc/init.d/networking debian doesnt seem to request dhcp? |
| 11:50.20 | hroi | it does at startup of my debian however |
| 11:51.08 | sarimkhan | maybe u should try ipup , ipdown :? |
| 11:51.10 | abrotman | okay! |
| 11:51.18 | abrotman | sarimkhan: ifup/ifdown ? |
| 11:51.29 | Fudge | djura-san i can not find 6.0.2 live desktop for gnome :$ |
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| 11:51.38 | Fudge | my 6.0.1 install failed :( |
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| 11:53.14 | hroi | abrotman: ok, I tried /etc/init.d/ifupdown restart |
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| 11:53.20 | djura-san | Fudge: 6.0.2 is not available in live cd version (according to site). YOu can download cd#1 of 6.0.2 and install gnome from it (or download dvd#1 which contains gnome) |
| 11:53.37 | hroi | abrotman: again no eth0 showing up in my ifconfig ... |
| 11:54.03 | hroi | abrotman: maybe I need to run networking start, and ifupdown start in some particular order? |
| 11:54.28 | jetscreamer | i know nothing, but i bet it would function correctly with auto eth0 instead of that allow hotplug or whatever |
| 11:55.03 | jetscreamer | i'd only bet a dollar maybe though, nothing major\ |
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| 11:56.37 | hroi | again, what the heck,... there are ifupdown and ifupdown-clean in there... how should I know which and in what order... |
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| 11:57.16 | hroi | the proper way of using init.d is maybe just to restart debian. |
| 11:57.21 | jetscreamer | look at them in a text editor? |
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| 11:58.46 | Fudge | i cant install with the text isntaller djura-san , unless ther eis a blind friendly version kicking around? |
| 11:58.47 | jetscreamer | well the files not the symlinks |
| 11:59.14 | djura-san | Fudge: where is the problem with text installer? |
| 11:59.24 | Fudge | my eyes djura-san , they dont work well enough |
| 11:59.36 | Fudge | hardly at all actually :p |
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| 11:59.52 | djura-san | Fudge: i see. |
| 11:59.56 | jetscreamer | ow |
| 12:00.11 | Fudge | i did install it today with help from a friend but when booting into it for the first time there wa s an error about sda4 which was swap |
| 12:00.31 | djura-san | Fudge: what kind of error? |
| 12:00.32 | Fudge | i cant find any logs for it though and dmesg is empty |
| 12:01.00 | Fudge | i know its vague but i dont recall, i mounted the partition and have hunted for logs but i dont know really which logs to look in |
| 12:01.20 | sarimkhan | in /var/log maybe |
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| 12:01.52 | djura-san | Fudge: did you checked md5sum for downloaded iso image? |
| 12:01.56 | Fudge | sarimkhan yes ive looked through there |
| 12:01.57 | djura-san | :\ |
| 12:02.16 | Fudge | no djura-san tbh |
| 12:03.14 | djura-san | Fudge: try to dl 6.0.2 and check md5. Try then to install. Other than that, im not sure how to help :| |
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| 12:04.16 | Fudge | djura-san i ran md5sum on the iso, should i go to where i downloaded it from my mirror to check against it? |
| 12:04.32 | djura-san | Fudge: yap |
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| 12:05.01 | ushaft | Hi, has this bug been fixed: #547648 ? |
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| 12:06.37 | cousin_mario | hello |
| 12:07.21 | cousin_mario | has just upgraded from lenny, but noticed that dhcp3-server complains: was the configuration syntax changed somehow? |
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| 12:10.13 | ushaft | hi, has this bug been fixed? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=547648 |
| 12:11.00 | deeLer | anyone running linux-image-3.0.0-rc5-amd64 ? |
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| 12:11.45 | jetscreamer | oh wowzies 3 |
| 12:12.30 | bzed | ushaft: is it marked as fixed? |
| 12:13.27 | ushaft | bzed, no. but it looks old |
| 12:13.49 | bzed | ushaft: if it is not marked fied, then chances are very good that it is not fixed yet. |
| 12:13.59 | deeLer | cousin_mario: I think its mandatory now to make a scope for all networks |
| 12:14.06 | ushaft | bzed, hmm. |
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| 12:15.20 | pAt_ | Hi, how can I see the last via apt-get updated files? |
| 12:15.26 | abrotman | hroi: did you try dhclient |
| 12:15.32 | abrotman | pAt_: the last what? |
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| 12:15.44 | pAt_ | abrotman: updated files |
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| 12:15.51 | abrotman | pAt_: apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 12:15.59 | pAt_ | apt-get abrotman |
| 12:16.03 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 12:16.28 | ujjain | is it possible to have only a windows share go via openvpn? |
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| 12:17.20 | pAt_ | abrotman: thx" |
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| 12:17.50 | cousin_mario | can anyone explain me why dhcpd is complaining? http://pastebin.com/q6NRZmZi |
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| 12:20.34 | UltimediaOS | subnetmask is missing |
| 12:21.18 | cousin_mario | UltimediaOS: seems to me I specified it |
| 12:21.40 | UltimediaOS | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 12:21.50 | UltimediaOS | hm |
| 12:21.53 | UltimediaOS | uhhhhhm |
| 12:21.57 | UltimediaOS | wired |
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| 12:23.16 | UltimediaOS | http://pastebin.com/iTFmP3G4 |
| 12:23.23 | UltimediaOS | this is my entry |
| 12:23.29 | UltimediaOS | as simple as it can be |
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| 12:29.36 | deeLer | is there an apt-get autoremove option that would also remove unused kernel images/headers ? |
| 12:30.01 | abrotman | deeLer: that's configurable |
| 12:30.15 | cousin_mario | UltimediaOS: I added the option subnet-mask and broadcast-address, but it's still bitching |
| 12:30.16 | deeLer | how ? |
| 12:30.25 | kkulhavy | cousin_mario, what is it bitching about? |
| 12:30.28 | abrotman | deeLer: IIRC /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove |
| 12:30.35 | UltimediaOS | broadcast was the thing i thought is missing |
| 12:30.37 | abrotman | deeLer: be very careful in there |
| 12:30.42 | deeLer | okay |
| 12:30.42 | cousin_mario | kkulhavy: http://pastebin.com/q6NRZmZi |
| 12:30.51 | cousin_mario | deeLer: please see above |
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| 12:31.09 | UltimediaOS | can you declare option broadcast-address 192.168.2.255; |
| 12:31.39 | deeLer | cousin_mario: just make a bogus scope |
| 12:31.42 | cousin_mario | UltimediaOS: I did |
| 12:31.44 | UltimediaOS | change it with yours |
| 12:31.53 | cousin_mario | deeLer: I don't understand |
| 12:32.06 | cousin_mario | UltimediaOS: nothing changed |
| 12:32.40 | deeLer | cousin_mario: basically leave the scope for ath0 blank |
| 12:32.52 | cousin_mario | deeLer: what do you mean by "scope" in this context? |
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| 12:34.21 | deeLer | the subnet declaration itself |
| 12:34.43 | cousin_mario | deeLer: how is it going to identify the interface then? |
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| 12:35.22 | deeLer | is this the nic you want to use for DHCP or do you have multiple nics |
| 12:35.24 | deeLer | ? |
| 12:35.29 | cousin_mario | deeLer: I have three |
| 12:35.41 | cousin_mario | deeLer: and dhcpd is actually complaining for all three of them |
| 12:36.10 | deeLer | ah ... that changes things... can u paste the full dhcpd.conf ? |
| 12:36.27 | cousin_mario | deeLer: wait |
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| 12:38.15 | cousin_mario | deeLer: http://pastebin.com/4aSVkYFq |
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| 12:40.13 | deeLer | look good on 1st sight. might wanna make sure that's the config it picks up, stop dhcp3-server and manually start it with -cf, specifying the configfile |
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| 12:41.20 | cousin_mario | deeLer: oh |
| 12:41.46 | cousin_mario | deeLer: it's working |
| 12:42.16 | deeLer | there might be a /etc/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf and a /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf |
| 12:42.31 | cousin_mario | deeLer: I'm using /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf |
| 12:42.46 | cousin_mario | deeLer: perhaps it's changed location ? |
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| 12:43.24 | deeLer | see the dhcpd logs, it will tell you what config it uses by default |
| 12:43.59 | cousin_mario | deeLer: oh, it wanted it into /etc/dhcp |
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| 12:44.04 | cousin_mario | it's working now, thanks |
| 12:44.58 | UltimediaOS | nice to hear :) |
| 12:45.24 | UltimediaOS | what was it at least? |
| 12:45.34 | Multiply | Is there a switch for wget'ing a directory's content recursively into a local dir, without also storing the directory structure? |
| 12:45.44 | deeLer | cousin_mario: OK |
| 12:46.02 | cousin_mario | UltimediaOS: it wasn't picking up my configuration |
| 12:46.08 | cousin_mario | UltimediaOS: wrong location |
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| 12:47.07 | UltimediaOS | good you got it running |
| 12:47.19 | cousin_mario | yeah |
| 12:47.24 | cousin_mario | rebooting my router now, bbl |
| 12:48.32 | Seb | Multiply: just wget it, and then find . -type f -mindepth 2 -exec mv "{}" \; ? |
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| 12:49.25 | Multiply | Seb, I basicly moved the files afterwards, but I hoped there was a switch, that just downloaded it as is. :P |
| 12:49.48 | Seb | Multiply: if there is one, I don't know it from the top of my head, but reading *all* of man wget would tell you :) |
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| 12:51.37 | Multiply | Seb, I did. But I could be mistaken. |
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| 12:52.23 | Seb | Multiply: maybe there just isn't such a thing, then |
| 12:52.32 | Multiply | *sad* |
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| 12:52.37 | Seb | Multiply: curl ? |
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| 13:24.48 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 13:25.55 | Strogg | I'm trying to install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem and I'm getting error "Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version". Anyone know what I'm missing here? my other 2.6 kernels are ok.. I also have 2.6.26-2 (non-bigmem) and they work fine |
| 13:26.45 | hovel | hello, could somebody explain why I lose ethernet if I momentarily unplug ethernet cable? |
| 13:27.27 | Justin | hovel: because you unplugged your ethernet cable? |
| 13:27.31 | abrotman | Strogg: on lenny? |
| 13:27.41 | abrotman | Strogg: dpkg -l "init*" |
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| 13:28.19 | Strogg | abrotman: hrmm it's a recent upgrade from lenny.. I believe I'm running squeeze now. |
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| 13:28.31 | Strogg | abrotman: initramfs-tools and initscripts |
| 13:29.01 | hovel | Justin: *very humorous* even after replugging |
| 13:29.19 | Justin | hovel: does it come back after a few seconds? |
| 13:29.24 | hovel | no |
| 13:29.34 | abrotman | Strogg: from lenny to what? |
| 13:29.43 | Strogg | someone told me this is a non-issue if I'm running an amd64 kernel.. would that solve my troubles? |
| 13:29.43 | abrotman | Strogg: aptitude install linux-image-686-bigmem |
| 13:30.02 | Strogg | ooh. my bad. not squeeze. Wheezy. |
| 13:31.06 | abrotman | still the same command |
| 13:31.13 | abrotman | though .. the fact that you skipped squeeeze is probably bad |
| 13:31.20 | hovel | Justin: is that wicd doing that? |
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| 13:33.08 | Strogg | I admit to being not very good at remembering debian version names |
| 13:33.27 | Strogg | I just have boxes that are in a perpetual state of stable or testing |
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| 13:36.00 | ongolaBoy | hum.. at 12.50 AM GMT, a user called hackorz tried to send a file called 'startkeylogger' . Somebody else noticed it ? |
| 13:36.10 | abrotman | ongolaBoy: just you, ignore it |
| 13:36.17 | Pici | ongolaBoy: Yes. Its been reported, please don't repeat spam though,. |
| 13:36.26 | ongolaBoy | ok.. sorry guys |
| 13:36.55 | ongolaBoy | i wasn't in front of my box :) |
| 13:37.30 | ajikeshi_ | O_o |
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| 13:38.49 | thelastninja | where is dpkg ? sleeping ? |
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| 13:39.34 | boudiccas | no. catching rabbits |
| 13:39.52 | abrotman | thelastninja: taking a nap .. need something |
| 13:40.11 | abrotman | ? |
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| 13:40.29 | thelastninja | I wanted to ask him about Debian Gnu/kFreeBSD |
| 13:40.34 | boudiccas | talk of the devil |
| 13:40.58 | Justin | uses debian kfreebsd |
| 13:41.04 | abrotman | dselect: kfreebsd |
| 13:41.04 | dselect | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:41.18 | abrotman | just when you were hoping you'd never hear from dselect again |
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| 13:41.47 | Justin | ongolaBoy: some old dlink routers or something like that had a crappy "IPS" that tried to stop bots by detecting phrases like 'startkeylogger'. you used to be able to disconnect dozens of people on an irc network just by saying that word |
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| 13:42.31 | thelastninja | abortman: why Debian decided to go to FreeBSD ? is this a strategy to go far from linux ? |
| 13:42.46 | abrotman | thelastninja: they have both? |
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| 13:42.54 | abrotman | just a port to a different kernel |
| 13:42.57 | rozie | thelastninja: Debian is not Linux |
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| 13:43.15 | boudiccas | who is 'abortman'? |
| 13:43.23 | rozie | consider it rahter as an OS with different kernels and architectures |
| 13:43.26 | abrotman | luckily i highlight on it :) |
| 13:43.30 | thelastninja | I thought debian is a flower of linux, and always told this |
| 13:43.31 | boudiccas | lol |
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| 13:44.04 | rozie | thelastninja: this is not true. but yes, kFreeBSD is new thing, at least in stable |
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| 13:44.36 | rozie | so simplification Debian = flavor of Linux was partially true |
| 13:44.37 | thelastninja | So Fedora can also say that it is not linux, and others as well, then the question is, so which OS is really linux ?? |
| 13:45.02 | rozie | thelastninja: can you run Fedora with non-linux kernel? |
| 13:45.24 | rozie | well, depends how you understand OS |
| 13:45.26 | thelastninja | rozie: till now not, like debian till version 5.0, may be in future versions of Fedora I can |
| 13:45.27 | Shadur | thelastninja: Is that one of them metaphysical questions? |
| 13:45.31 | ongolaBoy | thelastninja: linux is a kernel .. and not a full OS .. At least for Stallman ;) |
| 13:45.41 | Craigwd_2000 | Justin: very strange...: I just got a weird message with "startkeylogger" in it too... Does anyone know if this issue affects modern NetGear dual channel 802.11n Routers equipped with a Four Port Gigabit Ethernet Hub/Switch...? I'm only asking because that's the exact type & brand of Router that my family uses here... |
| 13:45.56 | thelastninja | Shadur: no, just to know |
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| 13:46.04 | Pici | Craigwd_2000, Justin: just repeating the 'start key logger' thing is enough to trigger it. |
| 13:46.30 | Pici | Craigwd_2000, Justin: You may want to take a look at this document about the exploit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit |
| 13:46.37 | Justin | Craigwd_2000: like I said, old equipment. This hasn't been a problem for years |
| 13:46.46 | rozie | thelastninja: distribution = userland + kernel |
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| 13:47.00 | rozie | OS may be distribution or just the kernel |
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| 13:48.21 | twobitsprite | rozie: I don't think kernel = OS |
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| 13:50.20 | twobitsprite | it might make more sense to call the OS GNU, since that's where most of the userland stuff comes from |
| 13:50.30 | twobitsprite | (including Gnome) |
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| 13:51.04 | twobitsprite | but if you're running KDE, then maybe GNU/KDE would make sense |
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| 13:51.47 | twobitsprite | whereas the distribution is like a specific "branding" or configuration of the GNU operating system |
| 13:52.11 | thelastninja | which distribution you prefer : Debian Gnu/Linux or Debian Gnu/kFreeBSD ? from these points of view: 1) Stability 2) Security 3) Usability 4) User friendly 5) Network 6) Programmers 7) as a Client 8) as a Server 9) Hardware support 10) community support ? |
| 13:52.30 | Craigwd_2000 | Would it by any chance affect a really old Linksys BEFSR81...? If it does affect it then I might be able to convince my Dad to replace it anyways...; so it doesn't ever get used again & all that... |
| 13:52.42 | abrotman | thelastninja: you use the one that works best for you |
| 13:52.50 | twobitsprite | thelastninja: the differences are a matter of minutia... doesn't really make a difference |
| 13:52.55 | thelastninja | I want to have others' experiences first |
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| 13:53.16 | rozie | thelastninja: Debian Gnu/Linux |
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| 13:53.41 | twobitsprite | I run a linux kernel just because it's standard for Debian and I know more about it |
| 13:53.55 | Justin | Craigwd_2000: again, if it affected you, you would have already been disconnected multiple times |
| 13:54.01 | twobitsprite | also, doesn't the GNU/kfreebsd version lack packages? |
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| 13:55.51 | Craigwd_2000 | Justin: well: see: that's the thing...; I hadn't ever used IRC with it so I have no way of knowing for certain... It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit though if I could that it was vulnerable to that type of attack... |
| 13:56.12 | Craigwd_2000 | could verify that* |
| 13:56.30 | Justin | Craigwd_2000: again, if it affected you, you would have already been disconnected multiple times |
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| 13:58.17 | Craigwd_2000 | Yeah: well: we never used IRC with it...; or I can't really honestly remember if we actually ever ran than type of traffic over our Ethernet network... |
| 13:58.27 | Justin | Craigwd_2000: I wouldn't worry about it |
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| 14:00.11 | ahri | probably a stupid question; is there an easy way (read: repo) to install gvim 7.3? i've searched around a lot and all i found were PPAs |
| 14:00.41 | wols | ,versions gvim |
| 14:00.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gvim' was found in i386. |
| 14:00.45 | cousin_mario | I recently switched my debian AP from lenny to squeeze and the driver from madwifi to ath5k: I've set up another hostapd configuration file, but it doesn't seem to be working. Any hint will be appreciated: http://pastebin.com/fCUfCphC |
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| 14:00.59 | Justin | it's vim-gtk |
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| 14:01.14 | wols | ,versions gim-gtk |
| 14:01.15 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gim-gtk' was found in i386. |
| 14:01.20 | wols | *sigh* |
| 14:01.23 | routh | I am attempting to compile a .deb from source; however the dh_make reruns the ./configure script for the package when it's run. By doing so it removes a required 'options.h' file, causing the make process to fail. Is there a way to tell dh_make to skip the ./configure step, or tell it to run 'make update' before running make install? |
| 14:01.27 | wols | ,versions vim-gtk |
| 14:01.28 | judd | Package vim-gtk on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2+b1; wheezy: 2:7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2+b1 |
| 14:01.33 | dkr | sid: 2:7.3.154+hg~74503f6ee649-2+b1 |
| 14:01.44 | wols | ahri: you need to do a backport. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:02.11 | wols | routh: check debian/rules |
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| 14:02.25 | pigdude | where is the debian way of setting up apache documented (with a2enmod, sites-enabled, *.d dirs etc)? I want to send a link about this to a colleague who is not familiar |
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| 14:02.37 | ahri | wols: thank you, very much appreciated |
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| 14:03.10 | themill | suspects that wouldn't be a very "simple" backport to make |
| 14:03.24 | wols | thelastninja: you looked at the dependencies? |
| 14:03.31 | Craigwd_2000 | Another thing that has really been bugging me lately is all of the ATI Debian related fglrx breakage...; without fglrx I can't get 3D acceleration to work in Wheezy running KDE 4 with my particular ATI GPU. Every time I even try to install the official ATI Catalyst drivers I keep getting that stupid X.org Black Screen of Death with the flashing cursor... Are there any known viable workarounds that actually work...? |
| 14:03.32 | wols | themill: ^^ |
| 14:03.44 | Wyzard | pigdude: /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
| 14:03.45 | dkr | pigdude: /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 14:04.02 | thelastninja | wols: no |
| 14:04.11 | wols | Craigwd_2000: if you ask about the ati.com drivers you are out of luck. not supported here. only the fglrx package in non-free |
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| 14:04.19 | themill | wols: the build-deps, yes. A pile of ruby stuff doesn't look that much fun when ruby packaging keeps changing. |
| 14:04.28 | themill | (I might be wrong -- I didn't check in detail) |
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| 14:04.59 | wols | themill: maybe do it without ruby support then? probably easier than to drag in ruby |
| 14:05.08 | pigdude | is this on the web anywhere? or is it accessible via a manpage on a debian system? (otherwise i will just tell him to zcat on his system) |
| 14:05.13 | Craigwd_2000 | So: is it even possible to fix fglrx then in its current broken state...? |
| 14:05.21 | themill | wols: yeah, it's rapidly becoming not "simple" though. |
| 14:05.23 | DasEi | I try to acces my initrd.img to see it's commands, so I unpacked it and then tried to -o loop mount it... |
| 14:05.45 | DasEi | that didn't work btw is it possible at all to check that ramdisk ? |
| 14:05.52 | Wyzard | DasEi: A modern initrd.img is actually an initramfs, not an initrd |
| 14:06.01 | Wyzard | DasEi: initramfs is a compressed cpio archive rather than a filesystem image |
| 14:06.18 | Wyzard | so you can just extract it with cpio, rather than mounting |
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| 14:06.33 | DasEi | Wyzard: to a file then ? |
| 14:06.41 | Wyzard | to a directory |
| 14:06.44 | pigdude | Wyzard, dkr: thanks for showing me the location |
| 14:06.44 | Wyzard | cpio is similar to tar |
| 14:06.59 | DasEi | Wyzard: thank you , trying now |
| 14:07.00 | dkr | hrm, is there any way to gunzip everything so I don't have to bother with zgrep and zless? I can obviously do it manually, but I'm thinking a way such that it won't mess up package upgrades |
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| 14:08.32 | themill | dkr: you could set LESSOPEN in your .bashrc instead |
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| 14:09.03 | Craigwd_2000 | Or is it more worthwhile to attempt to build the radeonhd x.org driver manually...? |
| 14:09.25 | kaiyin | $ xdg-mime query filetype Desktop/yuyan-110515.doc |
| 14:09.25 | kaiyin | text/plain |
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| 14:09.45 | kaiyin | how can I make xdg-mime recognize ms word documents? |
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| 14:11.53 | dkr | themill: nifty. I like the pipe feature |
| 14:12.14 | themill | "LESSOPEN=/usr/bin/lessfile %s" is typically enough |
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| 14:14.45 | twobitsprite | lesspipe is better, unless you really need the % |
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| 14:15.58 | themill | probably... this is probably one of those bits of config that will have been in my .bashrc for 15 years that has been superseded by newer better approaches. |
| 14:16.27 | DasEi | Wyzard: thanks again, that worked , cpio -idv |
| 14:16.49 | twobitsprite | lessfile creates a temp file, and you have to wait for processing to finish before less shows anything... lesspipe pipes the output to less so you get the output as it's available |
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| 14:16.55 | Tordek | hi |
| 14:17.05 | twobitsprite | !wave Tordek |
| 14:17.05 | dpkg | waves at Tordek |
| 14:17.19 | themill | twobitsprite: hmm yeah, I might update that. |
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| 14:17.27 | Tordek | what's "the debian way" of disabling stuff from starting at boot? |
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| 14:17.41 | twobitsprite | update-rc.d |
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| 14:18.55 | Tordek | thanks |
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| 14:21.08 | dkr | or aptitude remove :) |
| 14:21.33 | rozie | or rcconf |
| 14:21.50 | Tordek | thing is, some packages were removed, like mtp-tools and pptp, but apt-get didn't remove their init scripts |
| 14:22.11 | Wyzard | Tordek: Purging the packages should remove the init scripts |
| 14:22.13 | dkr | then aptitude purge :) |
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| 14:22.38 | Wyzard | but leftover init scripts shouldn't break when the package has been removed, they should just do nothing |
| 14:22.52 | Wyzard | If not, it's a bug |
| 14:23.31 | Tordek | I know; it's just OCPD becaus "oh noes, it yells 'shutting down FOO. FOO isn't running'" |
| 14:23.31 | `Lynx | hi, i've got a i386 and my kernel is i686.. i believe this is why i dont have sound on my machine, is there a way to switch to a i386 without installing the system again? thanks. |
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| 14:24.09 | cusco | `Lynx: that is not why you don't have sound |
| 14:24.20 | mastroDani | [OT] there was an image a while ago spreading through the web that now I need.. it was a man digging an huge hole, all the other element of the team was around that all looking at him or talking each other... every person was labeled, the digging worker as "developer", then there was the "manager" the "team reviouwer" the "beta tester" and so on... do anyone of you recall the image i'm talking about and know where to |
| 14:24.20 | mastroDani | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.20 | `Lynx | cusco: then why i have sound on any other distro besides debian? |
| 14:24.27 | cahoot | ...and how do you test for sound? |
| 14:24.47 | cahoot | speaker-test -t wav -c2 - any complaints? |
| 14:24.48 | wols | `Lynx: no. you don't have a i386 machine, debian doesn't run on a 80386 anymore either |
| 14:24.51 | `Lynx | i'm opening youtube and there's no sound on videos, i'm opening .wav and there's no sound either |
| 14:25.11 | `Lynx | wols: oh, i always through it was i386 |
| 14:25.49 | cahoot | cat /proc/asound/cards - only one? the extected card is card0? |
| 14:25.55 | wols | i386 is the architecture, like 64bit x86 CPUs are AMD64 when they can just as well be from intel and not just amd. do what cahoot told you and try the speaker-test |
| 14:25.57 | cahoot | expected |
| 14:25.58 | `Lynx | well, this is just weird i heard on a forum that it could be due to the kernel versions as i said, anyway i have sound anywhere else ubuntu/mint/opensuse but when it comes to debian there's no sound |
| 14:26.04 | mastroDani | sorry for the OT |
| 14:26.07 | mastroDani | do not know where to ask |
| 14:26.13 | `Lynx | k sec |
| 14:26.29 | `Lynx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.30 | `Lynx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:26.38 | `Lynx | thats it, sorry for not putting it on pastebin |
| 14:26.57 | cahoot | run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 14:27.01 | cusco | see, your sound card is there, you just need to configure how to use it |
| 14:27.17 | `Lynx | bash: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils: No such file or directory |
| 14:27.20 | cusco | most common mistake is just check that it is not in 'mute' |
| 14:27.24 | cahoot | install it |
| 14:27.31 | `Lynx | apt-get install alsa? |
| 14:27.38 | cahoot | alsa-utils |
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| 14:27.46 | cusco | !alsa-checklist |
| 14:27.47 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 14:27.49 | `Lynx | k |
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| 14:28.52 | kkulhavy | I would also recommend 8) power cycle speakers (yes, my speakers sometimes crash) and 9) try rebooting computer |
| 14:29.04 | `Lynx | Resetting ALSA card 0...done. |
| 14:29.14 | cahoot | speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 14:29.34 | `Lynx | am i supposed to hear anything? |
| 14:29.39 | cahoot | yes |
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| 14:29.47 | `Lynx | i've unmuted everything with alsamixer, but im not hearing anything with the command u sent me |
| 14:30.09 | `Lynx | uid=1000(lynx) gid=1000(lynx) groups=1000(lynx),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(bluetooth),111(netdev) |
| 14:30.13 | cahoot | alsa-utils should unmute all you need - and set sane levels |
| 14:30.14 | `Lynx | also i'm on the audio usergroup |
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| 14:30.47 | cahoot | speaker-test gives no error? |
| 14:30.55 | wols | cahoot: speaker-test does what exactly? outputs directoy to /dev/dsp or such? |
| 14:30.56 | routh | wols: First off, thank you - you've lead me in the right direction it would seem. Now are you able to point me to some examples of how to code a debian/rules file? The rules file for this source is basically empty, and I'm not really sure how to preceed. |
| 14:30.57 | `Lynx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.58 | `Lynx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:31.17 | `Lynx | do i need to remove all oss4 packahges? i'm on debian squeeze |
| 14:31.21 | wols | routh: what is the source package? |
| 14:31.33 | `Lynx | is it apt-get remove --purge oss4? |
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| 14:31.38 | cahoot | wols, sends a nicerecprded voice msg via alsa |
| 14:31.48 | cahoot | nic, recorded |
| 14:31.51 | cahoot | meh |
| 14:31.51 | routh | wols: Pennmush + Hspace, there are no existing debs for it. |
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| 14:32.25 | `Lynx | cahoot: should i remove all oss4 as described by the bot for squeeze users? |
| 14:32.42 | cahoot | lynx did you at some stage install oss4? |
| 14:32.57 | Wyzard | You've probably never had oss4 packages installed anyway |
| 14:33.06 | `Lynx | nope, all i did was grab a netinst image and just install x and ob on it |
| 14:33.09 | `Lynx | and irssi |
| 14:33.09 | `Lynx | lol |
| 14:33.13 | cousin_mario | I have a headless machine and the login is mortally slow (some 10 secs): how can I check what makes it take so long? |
| 14:33.15 | `Lynx | and alsa-utils as you told me to |
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| 14:33.26 | cahoot | speaker-test gives no error? |
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| 14:33.38 | `Lynx | no errors |
| 14:33.46 | `Lynx | it keeps saying time per period = blablabla |
| 14:33.49 | `Lynx | but no errors so far |
| 14:34.00 | cahoot | then it's a mixer issue - you have alsa working and correct perms |
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| 14:34.15 | `Lynx | is there a way to get my sound working or it'd be dead forever? |
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| 14:34.28 | wols | routh: if there is no .deb package anywhere, where did you get your debian-rules from? |
| 14:34.35 | cahoot | sure theres no hardware failure? |
| 14:34.41 | `Lynx | cahoot: no |
| 14:34.53 | `Lynx | it's a sony vaio vpceb17fb fyi anyway |
| 14:34.55 | wols | `Lynx: what hardware is it? |
| 14:35.13 | routh | wols: My educated guess would be that dh_make created a default file |
| 14:35.17 | `Lynx | i3 330, intel gma, 4gb ram, hda-intel sound? |
| 14:35.20 | cahoot | lynx try alsa force-reload, then speaker-test |
| 14:35.44 | `Lynx | bash: alsa: command not found |
| 14:35.53 | cahoot | as root |
| 14:36.01 | `Lynx | k |
| 14:36.17 | `Lynx | done |
| 14:36.19 | `Lynx | still no sound |
| 14:36.20 | `Lynx | and no errors |
| 14:36.24 | `Lynx | lol, this is madness |
| 14:36.38 | routh | wols: The rules file doesn't need to do anything too special, it needs to tell dh_make to run ./configure, cp options.h.dist options.h, make update, make, make install - in that order |
| 14:36.51 | Justin | `Lynx: what does aplay -l show? |
| 14:36.54 | wols | !tell routh about checkinstall |
| 14:37.00 | `Lynx | Justin: as root? |
| 14:37.10 | Justin | `Lynx: no |
| 14:37.15 | `Lynx | sec pastebin |
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| 14:37.43 | cahoot | lynx run alsamixer, see if there's any digital output switch to toggle, run speaker-test |
| 14:37.47 | `Lynx | http://pastebin.com/ghSaEMc4 |
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| 14:37.52 | routh | wols: Good answer. Thank you |
| 14:37.59 | MrFrood | !alsactl |
| 14:37.59 | dpkg | In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device. |
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| 14:38.40 | `Lynx | cahoot: nope, theres nothing wrong in alsamixer |
| 14:38.47 | `Lynx | and still no sound, just tried itagain |
| 14:39.10 | cahoot | no ie..something to toggle? |
| 14:39.22 | `Lynx | hm |
| 14:39.37 | `Lynx | everything is at max, except s/pdif cuz theres no max/min for it |
| 14:40.00 | `Lynx | why debian hates me so badly? |
| 14:40.09 | cahoot | take it easy |
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| 14:40.52 | `Lynx | cahoot: how do i check if oss4 is installed? |
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| 14:40.57 | `Lynx | because if it is, then i need to unistall it |
| 14:41.00 | `Lynx | as bot said |
| 14:41.16 | `Lynx | i havent installed it, but what if it came with the netinst lol |
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| 14:41.20 | cahoot | if you haven't installed it by force it's not htere |
| 14:41.30 | `Lynx | i just want to make sure |
| 14:41.59 | cahoot | if you had you wouldn't have a sane alsa ( /proc/asound) |
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| 14:42.10 | ahri | wols: i'm trying to backport vim-gtk but i've hit an issue; http://pastebin.com/XsrXd2bY -- any ideas? |
| 14:42.11 | `Lynx | well |
| 14:42.38 | `Lynx | nothing is sane at this computer assuming that everything is ok and the audio is still dead |
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| 14:43.26 | Craigwd_2000 | `Lynx: what brand/make & model of machine is it...? |
| 14:44.19 | Craigwd_2000 | If it's too new you might be better off running Wheezy... |
| 14:44.39 | cahoot | lynx lspci -nn|grep -i audio |
| 14:44.47 | ahri | wols: oh, note that i'm using crunchbang linux, hence the "statler" target |
| 14:44.54 | `Lynx | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 05) |
| 14:44.58 | `Lynx | Craigwd_2000: what do u mean |
| 14:45.10 | `Lynx | sony vaio vpceb17fb? |
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| 14:46.03 | Craigwd_2000 | `Lynx: Well...; my PC is so new that I knew from day one that it probably wouldn't run Squeeze very well in general... |
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| 14:46.44 | cahoot | that device should be supported by alsa (possibly not the mic) since 2010 |
| 14:46.45 | `Lynx | Craigwd_2000: i'm not sure if this is one of the most recent sony releases, but images also look bad @ it |
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| 14:47.15 | `Lynx | i've got bad image quality & no sound |
| 14:47.16 | `Lynx | lol |
| 14:47.27 | `Lynx | basically, i'm just f***** up |
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| 14:48.35 | thctlo | Graigwd_2000: have you tried this installer : http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ i use i for my newest server |
| 14:49.52 | thctlo | 'Lynx: have you tried this installer : http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ i use i for my newest server |
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| 14:50.41 | `Lynx | thctlo: no i havent tried it, i didnt even know this site existed |
| 14:51.04 | thctlo | lynx: also did you do: update-pciids and update-usbids |
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| 14:51.15 | `Lynx | thctlo: what is it for |
| 14:51.21 | thctlo | could help identifying pci and usb devices |
| 14:51.51 | `Lynx | done |
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| 14:52.03 | `Lynx | still no sound |
| 14:52.03 | `Lynx | well |
| 14:52.13 | `Lynx | debian hates me and thats it, theres no solution |
| 14:52.14 | thctlo | the site has debian squeeze installers but newer kernels to support newer hardwares, such as SATA contollers and Ethernet devices. |
| 14:52.30 | `Lynx | i'll just use windows whenever i need to hear something |
| 14:52.35 | thctlo | there is always a solution |
| 14:52.49 | `Lynx | there may be, but no one knows it |
| 14:52.55 | thctlo | which kernel your running. |
| 14:53.08 | `Lynx | Linux localhost 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 04:13:06 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:54.37 | thctlo | your sound card is supported: look here : http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T410 and yes i know you have sony and not ibm.. |
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| 14:54.47 | ujjain | hmm, user trid to send 0 kbyte portscan file via dcc |
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| 14:54.59 | `Lynx | if it is supported and mixer is ok, why theres no sound? |
| 14:55.25 | Craigwd_2000 | Thctlo: thanks... :) `Lynx: your PC appears to have a lot of hardware that may be very well supported by Linux in general... I'd highly recommend googling the info you gave me plus recommended Linux distros just in case somebody else already tried Linux on that particular Vaio & managed to get better support for its hardware...; I mean all of it too...; not just some of it... |
| 14:55.31 | thctlo | did you enable sound ?, does your user have sound device access? |
| 14:55.33 | Justin | `Lynx: probably because the mixer is not ok |
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| 14:56.17 | `Lynx | Justin: how could it not be? i did everything cahoot said and there were no errors |
| 14:57.13 | Justin | `Lynx: pastebin the output of amixer |
| 14:57.44 | Craigwd_2000 | You know `Lynx...; that slightly newer kernel alone might even provide better support for your sound card...; it can't hurt to just try it & see if it gets you working & fully functional sound... |
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| 14:58.06 | `Lynx | Craigwd_2000: how do i update the kernel? |
| 14:59.01 | Craigwd_2000 | `Lynx: Try the newer BackPort of the Debian Installer that thctlo linke to above... |
| 14:59.05 | `Lynx | Justin: http://pastebin.com/XHEc8Cw9 |
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| 14:59.21 | Craigwd_2000 | linked to* |
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| 15:00.02 | `Lynx | ok |
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| 15:04.10 | CyL | what is the correct place to set $color_prompt? |
| 15:05.01 | Justin | `Lynx: are you using digital output? |
| 15:05.14 | `Lynx | Justin: i have no clue |
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| 15:08.09 | cousin_mario | I have a headless machine and the login is mortally slow (some 10 secs): how can I check what makes it take so long? |
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| 15:08.44 | cahoot | Justin, seems there's some hdmi output invioved |
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| 15:10.32 | MoL0ToV | 1 question: is normal that if i extract 1 of total 2 harddisk from a raid1 software system anc then boot up, the system don't start? |
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| 15:11.07 | Justin | MoL0ToV: could be, if the bootloader was not installed on both disks |
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| 15:15.09 | MoL0ToV | Justin, i just started with a livecd |
| 15:15.32 | MoL0ToV | started md devices |
| 15:15.45 | MoL0ToV | that are _U now |
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| 15:15.58 | MoL0ToV | so running with only one of 2 disk attacched |
| 15:16.22 | MoL0ToV | and installed grub on the only disk present |
| 15:16.31 | MoL0ToV | result: don't boot |
| 15:16.45 | MoL0ToV | i cannot understand why... |
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| 15:22.20 | MoL0ToV | Justin, some idea? |
| 15:22.32 | Wyzard | What happens when you try to boot? |
| 15:22.47 | Wyzard | Does GRUB not even start? Does it fail to load the kernel? Does the kernel start, but fail to mount the root filesystem? |
| 15:23.26 | MoL0ToV | the system (a hp microserver) read for 1ms from hard disk, then reboots |
| 15:23.54 | MoL0ToV | i tryed in bios to change boot order, priority... nothing |
| 15:23.56 | Wyzard | Hardware RAID or Linux software RAID? |
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| 15:25.10 | Vasistha | I have a disk with an encrypted root. It boots fine but I would like to plug the disk into another computer and mount it. Can't figure out the proper command... any hints? |
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| 15:25.22 | hopper7 | what's a good site to send someone a photo? (sorry for offtopic question) |
| 15:25.46 | Vasistha | hopper7: if you look at reddit, you can find some examples people use |
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| 15:26.42 | hopper7 | Vasistha: thanks |
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| 15:27.47 | Wyzard | Vasistha: Using what, dm-crypt and LUKS? |
| 15:28.10 | MoL0ToV | Wyzard, linux software raid |
| 15:28.20 | Wyzard | Vasistha: crypsetup luksOpen /dev/foo bar |
| 15:28.21 | Vasistha | Wyzard: not even sure -- whatever the default that debian sets up on install. err... this is an older debian, etch or lenny |
| 15:28.30 | Vasistha | Wyzard: thanks, will try :) |
| 15:28.33 | Wyzard | Vasistha: then /dev/mapper/bar is your plaintext block device that you can mount or whatever |
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| 15:30.18 | Wyzard | MoL0ToV: Where is your /boot directory located? Within the RAID, or on a separate partition outside the RAID? |
| 15:30.29 | Vasistha | Wyzard: hum, not workin :( any other ideas, before I just boot the thing? |
| 15:30.38 | MoL0ToV | within the raid, md0 |
| 15:30.54 | MoL0ToV | md0 is root partition |
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| 15:31.00 | Wyzard | Vasistha: "not working" in what way? |
| 15:31.02 | MoL0ToV | that includes also /boot directory |
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| 15:31.55 | Vasistha | Wyzard: is it possible that perhaps a different cryptography is used and that needs to be specified in the cryptsetup? -- not working in that mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' .. uh wait. I have another step in here. I guess the cryptsetup step worked because it's seeing the lvm. |
| 15:32.16 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 15:32.16 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 15:32.29 | Wyzard | MoL0ToV: hmm, grub2 should support that, but I've never done it so I don't know if there are complications there |
| 15:32.55 | MoL0ToV | Wyzard, with 2 working disks all works |
| 15:33.02 | Wyzard | MoL0ToV: You may need to edit /boot/grub/device.map if the drive that used to be (hd1) is now (hd0) -- otherwise GRUB may be trying to read from (hd1) even though there's no such drive |
| 15:33.08 | MoL0ToV | but now 1 of 2 disks is damaged |
| 15:33.13 | MoL0ToV | so i removed it |
| 15:33.13 | Wyzard | Reinstall grub after editing device.map |
| 15:33.38 | MoL0ToV | i understand... |
| 15:33.40 | Wyzard | Vasistha: LUKS has metadata that says what cipher, keysize, etc. so you don't need to specify that |
| 15:33.42 | MoL0ToV | now i try |
| 15:33.58 | Vasistha | Wyzard: yeah, I was thinking that. now all I've gotta do is figure out lvm again :) |
| 15:34.09 | Wyzard | Vasistha: OK, so you have LVM inside the crypt device? |
| 15:34.17 | Wyzard | Vasistha: pvscan, then vgchange -ay |
| 15:34.26 | Vasistha | Wyzard: ah, you are so helpful thanks! |
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| 15:35.00 | Wyzard | Vasistha: To close things out when you're done, vgchange -an, then cryptsetup luksClose |
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| 15:37.01 | tiiim | anyone know a good doc for what the groups in /etc/group do? |
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| 15:37.53 | MoL0ToV | Wyzard: do you know if device.map is updated every boot? |
| 15:37.57 | MoL0ToV | or only by hand? |
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| 15:39.27 | MoL0ToV | if i have a raid i must run grub-install /dev/sda ? |
| 15:39.32 | MoL0ToV | correct? |
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| 15:41.36 | Wyzard | MoL0ToV: Only by hand afaik |
| 15:41.40 | valdyn_ | MoL0ToV: its not |
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| 15:42.21 | MoL0ToV | valdyn_, why not correct? |
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| 15:42.38 | MoL0ToV | software raid |
| 15:42.41 | Wyzard | MoL0ToV: The whole point of that file is that the association between BIOS disk numbers and Linux device names *can't* be determined automatically, which is why it has to be specified there |
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| 15:43.10 | MoL0ToV | i understand |
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| 15:43.16 | Wyzard | MoL0ToV: device.map is autogenerated as a "best guess" (that may be wrong) if it doesn't exist, but from there, it's up to you to maintain it |
| 15:43.24 | MoL0ToV | i try to reboot |
| 15:43.25 | MoL0ToV | thankyou |
| 15:43.28 | valdyn_ | MoL0ToV: grub-install *alone* is a little dangerous with grub2 |
| 15:43.53 | MoL0ToV | why dangerous? |
| 15:44.31 | valdyn_ | MoL0ToV: grub2 needs to set itself up to install all the modules needed to load more stuff from the filesystem |
| 15:44.42 | MoL0ToV | ok |
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| 15:44.57 | valdyn_ | MoL0ToV: grub-install does not do that, but it might already be done when you run grub-install |
| 15:45.03 | MoL0ToV | someone is able to download this bios update file? ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-windows/p1657370250/v69499/SP53393.exe |
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| 15:45.08 | valdyn_ | MoL0ToV: but it also might not |
| 15:45.09 | Wyzard | valdyn_: grub-install does run grub-mkimage afaik |
| 15:45.14 | MoL0ToV | the hp ftp server is brocken? |
| 15:45.17 | crissi | hello. gcc 4.6.1 was just released. it would be nice to have it as deb for lenny :) |
| 15:45.25 | Wyzard | valdyn_: You're thinking of grub-setup... grub-install is grub-mkimage+grub-setup |
| 15:45.34 | valdyn_ | Wyzard: hmm, probably |
| 15:45.44 | valdyn_ | Wyzard: still remains the initrd |
| 15:45.52 | crissi | MoL0ToV: it works |
| 15:45.58 | valdyn_ | MoL0ToV: i still recommend using dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc instead |
| 15:46.03 | crissi | let me know if i should upload it. |
| 15:46.41 | Wyzard | valdyn_: initrd shouldn't need to change for this |
| 15:47.15 | Wyzard | valdyn_: and certainly isn't the problem when even grub isn't starting |
| 15:47.26 | valdyn_ | Wyzard: yea |
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| 15:50.37 | MoL0ToV | thanks to all |
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| 15:50.41 | MoL0ToV | i try t oreboot bye |
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| 15:55.07 | twobitsprite | crissi: don't think you're going to get the newest gcc on an old debian version |
| 15:55.28 | twobitsprite | ,versions gcc |
| 15:55.28 | judd | Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.6.0-6; wheezy: 4:4.6.0-6 |
| 15:55.46 | twobitsprite | it's not even in unstable |
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| 15:56.16 | ansgar | ,versions gcc-4.6 |
| 15:56.17 | judd | Package gcc-4.6 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.6.0-10; sid: 4.6.1-1 |
| 15:56.21 | ansgar | It is :) |
| 15:56.32 | twobitsprite | ohh :P |
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| 15:56.40 | twobitsprite | well, still.. definitely not in lenny :P |
| 15:57.19 | Wyzard | right, stable releases aren't updated with new versions of things like that |
| 15:57.24 | Wyzard | especially not oldstable |
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| 16:06.47 | Aesthenaut | hello. I downloaded a seemingly defective (at least not bootable) squeeze iso from http://caesar.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-8.iso ----| is it possible to install from it? |
| 16:07.29 | twobitsprite | Aesthenaut: CD 8 shouldn't be bootable |
| 16:07.33 | twobitsprite | try downloading CD 1 |
| 16:07.59 | Aesthenaut | bahaha. Thank you : ) |
| 16:08.04 | twobitsprite | :) |
| 16:08.23 | Aesthenaut | is it necessary to download all cds in a series? or is it okay to just download CD 1 |
| 16:08.34 | twobitsprite | CD 1 should be enough for most installations |
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| 16:08.40 | Aesthenaut | okay. Thank you |
| 16:08.47 | twobitsprite | it's based on popcon so the most popular packages make it to CD 1 |
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| 16:09.51 | twobitsprite | just install a base system, then get anything else you need from aptitude using online repos |
| 16:11.45 | Aesthenaut | aye... an eight disc series would only seem useful if i were doing a mass installation or downloading it for a friend with dialup or somesuch thing |
| 16:11.59 | twobitsprite | yeah, basically |
| 16:12.10 | Vasistha | Aesthenaut: most of us don't even use Cd 1, we use the netinstall cd |
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| 16:12.23 | twobitsprite | Vasistha: I was just going to say that :P |
| 16:12.29 | Aesthenaut | is that smaller? |
| 16:12.35 | twobitsprite | quite a bit, yes |
| 16:12.36 | Vasistha | Aesthenaut: yeah, it's about 180 MB |
| 16:12.50 | Aesthenaut | im guessing http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:12.50 | enod | could someone tell me how to automate the process of running programs from their folder, with options |
| 16:12.51 | twobitsprite | if you have a reliable conneciton and decent speed, it's the best way to do it |
| 16:13.18 | twobitsprite | enod: you mean, on some kind of schedule? |
| 16:13.34 | enod | um your name is bright yellow... |
| 16:13.37 | DasEi | enod: either a cronjob or rc.local |
| 16:13.47 | twobitsprite | enod: yes, that happens when someone puts your name in what they're saying |
| 16:13.47 | Vasistha | Aesthenaut: yeah, that's what you want -- provided the computer you're installing on has, as twobitsprite noted, a good internet connection. Also it's quite a bit easier if you have a wired internet connection for install, as there are a few wireless cards that can be difficult to get working during the installation |
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| 16:14.29 | enod | no, like creating a script to run programs with parameters from the commandline |
| 16:14.42 | Aesthenaut | mine is one of those cards :p i've got i wired for that purpose currently. That's actually the reason I'm installing. I messed with Lenny net tools too much and couldnt get the wireless to work afterward |
| 16:14.47 | Vasistha | enod: probably you should ask #bash |
| 16:14.59 | enod | hmmm |
| 16:15.18 | enod | like join #bash |
| 16:15.29 | Vasistha | yes |
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| 16:15.47 | enod | #danke |
| 16:15.52 | NET||abuse | hi folks, I have a vps server that an idiot developer went in and corrupted the shell field in passwd for the root user. |
| 16:15.55 | Vasistha | enod: #bash is the place to ask scripting questions |
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| 16:16.17 | NET||abuse | how can i reset |
| 16:16.27 | NET||abuse | i have no open root shell |
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| 16:17.00 | Vasistha | NET||abuse: /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow ? |
| 16:17.09 | NET||abuse | Vasistha /etc/passdw |
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| 16:17.25 | Vasistha | my /etc/passwd shows root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 16:18.13 | Vasistha | NET||abuse: oh, heh, but you can't edit it unless you're root ... do you have sudo set up? |
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| 16:18.23 | NET||abuse | Vasistha:nope |
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| 16:18.32 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: Boot to single user mode or a rescue disk. |
| 16:18.45 | discozohan | Does open files limit affects tcp connections ? Does it mean, that i can handle max 1024 connections at one time ? |
| 16:18.46 | jhutchins_lt | Er, NET||abuse ^ |
| 16:18.52 | discozohan | by default |
| 16:19.12 | NET||abuse | jhutchins_lt: eh, it's a vps and so i have no physical access. |
| 16:19.44 | NET||abuse | i have remote vnc to console access , but it dies when we reboot, so i can't catch the grub boot in time. |
| 16:19.47 | Vasistha | NET||abuse: this is why everyone should use sudo for production servers :P |
| 16:19.50 | jhutchins_lt | NET||abuse: You don't have sudo set up, do you. |
| 16:20.15 | NET||abuse | jhutchins_lt: nope, this was a small app server setup for testing by another developer, they never sorted out sudoers.. damnit |
| 16:20.19 | Vasistha | NET||abuse: does *anyone* have physical access? Could you walk someone through it on the phone? |
| 16:20.28 | bps | its in the cloud |
| 16:20.28 | jhutchins_lt | This is why developers should never have root access. |
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| 16:20.40 | NET||abuse | yeh, i'll have to ring the hosting company |
| 16:21.08 | NET||abuse | i was wondering if su or ssh could be used to just execute a single command without involking the shell? |
| 16:21.23 | NET||abuse | then i can symlink with one command /bin/bash to /bin/shell so i can fix it. |
| 16:21.49 | bps | su -c or put the command after ssh |
| 16:21.51 | NET||abuse | but not sure |
| 16:22.02 | NET||abuse | not sure of the syntax for that stuff. |
| 16:23.00 | Vasistha | NET||abuse: yeah, you could totally use sed to fix it. su -c 'sed "/^root:/s,.*,root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash" -i /etc/passwrd' ... uh, use with caution!!! |
| 16:23.25 | NET||abuse | :P |
| 16:23.25 | Vasistha | and of course I've got a typo so it won't do much if copied/pasted directly |
| 16:23.30 | MrFrood | NET||abuse: su-c "command -flags | other command" |
| 16:23.46 | MrFrood | NET||abuse: the quotes are nessecarry |
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| 16:26.08 | MrFrood | NET||abuse: for ssh |
| 16:26.12 | NET||abuse | MrFrood: Vasistha: tried the su -c "ls -n /bin/shell /bin/bash" |
| 16:26.13 | NET||abuse | didn't work |
| 16:26.15 | MrFrood | NET||abuse: /usr/bin/ssh -t user@server.foo 'export TERM=screen && /usr/bin/command' |
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| 16:27.51 | abrotman | cute |
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| 16:28.58 | MrFrood | NET||abuse: works here (get a message about not finding /bin/shell & some info for /bin/bash) |
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| 16:31.08 | mordocai_work | I'm new to sudo and on debian testing I used usermod -G sudo -a <user> and in the sudoers file it says %sudoALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL. However, <user> still can't use sudo. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 16:31.39 | Alam_Squeeze | did you login and logout? |
| 16:31.40 | MrFrood | mordocai_work: did you use visudo? |
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| 16:31.58 | mordocai_work | MrFrood, No, that rule was in there by default |
| 16:32.32 | mordocai_work | Alam_Squeeze, I closed the gnome-terminal and re-opened. Do i actually need to completely log out? |
| 16:32.39 | Alam_Squeeze | yes |
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| 16:36.52 | valdyn_ | logout? for sudo to take effect? |
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| 16:37.18 | gionnico | hi |
| 16:37.21 | Justin | sudo does not need take effect, groups do though |
| 16:37.38 | Justin | you can run newgrp sudo to 'fix' it for that shell |
| 16:37.50 | gionnico | would you suggest debian for install to a friend's computer? He doesn't know linux. He isn't willing to see CLI. He should be able to do basic maintainance. I should do maintainance only seldom. |
| 16:38.03 | gionnico | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.15 | lesser | nooo, i guess you should go ubuntu |
| 16:38.18 | valdyn_ | gionnico: do yourself and him a favour and dont do this |
| 16:38.24 | lesser | this. |
| 16:38.29 | valdyn_ | gionnico: instead give him a live cd |
| 16:38.35 | gionnico | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.49 | lesser | so *buntu |
| 16:39.06 | gionnico | are you kidding me? #debian pointing to #ubuntu |
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| 16:39.22 | gionnico | where's the hate? where's the flame war? |
| 16:39.30 | valdyn_ | gionnico: why would you install any os on your friends computer? |
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| 16:39.49 | mordocai_work | Alam_Squeeze, Justin: Awesome command newgrp. Thanks for the help! (Logging out worked too lol) |
| 16:39.52 | nsadmin | gionnico, do you want a flame war? |
| 16:39.56 | nsadmin | wait donm't answer that |
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| 16:40.10 | wols | gionnico: it depends what the user wants to do with it. Debian can very well be used for such a setup btu Ubunut LTS is also an option |
| 16:40.10 | mordocai_work | gionnico, Apparently the hate and flame war is from you |
| 16:40.18 | gionnico | he is against closed source so it's philosophically motivated to drop windows |
| 16:40.49 | stew | gionnico: if ubuntu is unappropriate, debian is probably unapropriate, especially for someone not willint to see CLI |
| 16:40.52 | gionnico | wols: i've had lots of problems with ubuntu, especially LTS especially when it comes to dist-upgrading |
| 16:41.02 | bps | feel free to try freebsd, i enjoy it, as I do with all operating systems |
| 16:41.08 | wols | gionnico: dist upgrading to what? |
| 16:41.15 | gionnico | wols: next LTS.. |
| 16:41.17 | nsadmin | nods with stew |
| 16:41.17 | mordocai_work | gionnico: If he likes to learn i'd recommend debian testing. More up to date(so good for desktop) and it break occasionally(less often then you'd think) so you get to learn to fix it :) |
| 16:41.22 | gionnico | but also simple package update sometimes (often) cause something to break |
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| 16:41.47 | wols | gionnico: what does your friend want to do with his computer? |
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| 16:41.53 | nsadmin | gionnico, so, is he willing to deal with cli? |
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| 16:42.15 | nsadmin | "your friend" should come here, or somewhere :) |
| 16:42.16 | gionnico | wols: well browsing, listening to music.. some video editing |
| 16:42.21 | gionnico | it's a laptop |
| 16:42.24 | stew | nsadmin: "He isn't willing to see CLI." |
| 16:42.29 | gionnico | celeron <1ghz + not much ram |
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| 16:42.43 | gionnico | is IRC cli? |
| 16:42.44 | wols | gionnico: the video editing is a problem. big time |
| 16:43.02 | wols | erm, 1Ghz celeron and video editing? that doesn't mix |
| 16:43.06 | gionnico | i thought of kdenlive |
| 16:43.22 | gionnico | wols: it's hobby video editing, time not important, not editing HD |
| 16:43.23 | wols | how much RAM, how much less than 1GHz? |
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| 16:43.36 | gionnico | wols: i havent the computer yet |
| 16:43.39 | bps | video editing by mail |
| 16:44.04 | gionnico | ram 512mb maybe |
| 16:44.08 | gionnico | or 256 |
| 16:44.25 | DammitJim | that sounds like a phone and not a PC |
| 16:44.44 | nsadmin | I'm entering this late... but what's your relationship to the person you would install? what relation do both of you agree to? |
| 16:44.46 | gionnico | >_> here's where linux comes in. reviving old computers |
| 16:44.46 | wols | a sub GHz computer cannot even watch flash movies on the interwebs properly. video editing is just not doable. maybe for someone with a knowledge of computers, but not someone like you describe your friend |
| 16:44.54 | lesser | the whole "isn't willing to see CLI" sound utterly stupid to me... |
| 16:45.09 | gionnico | nsadmin: he would punch me if it doesnt work :) |
| 16:45.23 | nsadmin | to which you agree? |
| 16:45.27 | wols | gionnico: with 256MB forget it. 512MB is bare minimum for such people. but video is utterly out. best scenario is watching an AVI via vlc or such |
| 16:46.36 | nsadmin | tell him you want $250/hour for consulting, and if he ever tries to touch you, you file police report |
| 16:46.38 | wols | basically this means email, light browsing (little bit of youtube at 360 max) and only xfce as desktop |
| 16:47.01 | lesser | or LXDE |
| 16:47.16 | Vasistha | gionnico: what you might consider is setting him up with a dual-boot, so he can get accustomed to gnu/linux without having to commit to it full-time. If he really needs something and can't get it working then he can just boot back to windoze. and yeah, use xfce. I'm finding that kde4 is too slow even with 1.8 GHz |
| 16:47.32 | wols | gionnico: and this all applies if you have 512MB. if 256 the problems are worse, a LOT worse |
| 16:47.52 | gionnico | Vasistha: gnome should run fine.. |
| 16:48.09 | Vasistha | I set a friend up with xfce on a 256 mb machine last week, it's running, but iceweasel tends to eat up the memory |
| 16:48.15 | wols | gionnico: sure, but he wants a browser too |
| 16:48.25 | DammitJim | do you guys know of any linux software to make 1920x1080 slide shows of pictures with music? |
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| 16:49.20 | Vasistha | gionnico: xfce is lighter on the memory, you should really use that. and xfce is a really nice desktop, I am finding. I set my dad up with it after kde was too slow, and he's quite happy with it. Not every component is as polished as kde3 but most of it is quite nice. |
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| 16:49.39 | Vasistha | DammitJim: are you trying to create a video file? |
| 16:49.49 | DammitJim | Vasistha, yeah, something like that |
| 16:50.02 | DammitJim | basically so I can play it on XBMC |
| 16:50.22 | DammitJim | for every birthday of my kids, I've been making a slideshow with the pictures of the last year with their favorite music |
| 16:50.47 | UltimediaOS | i suggest to create a static html gallery and then implement the sound yourself |
| 16:50.49 | DammitJim | normally I do it in Windows with a software called ProShow Gold |
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| 16:51.12 | UltimediaOS | like photon or something |
| 16:51.13 | Vasistha | DammitJim: one option that might be easy, and which you might not have considered, is to simply use OOo Impress (it's a powerpoint clone) |
| 16:51.23 | DammitJim | no, that's too much work, I want software where you just add the pictures and the music and it spreads the pictures to show at an even amount of time with transitions |
| 16:51.31 | DammitJim | if there isn't software for that, then that's fine... just asking |
| 16:51.32 | UltimediaOS | then take openoffice |
| 16:51.40 | UltimediaOS | ?!? |
| 16:52.10 | Vasistha | DammitJim: well, there might be, we might just not know what it's called. you might google linux create slideshow or something like that |
| 16:52.15 | DammitJim | no, openoffice doesn't do the automatic spreading of pictures evenly to the music with nice transitions and of high resolution pictures |
| 16:52.15 | UltimediaOS | also is windows compatible and like powerpoint |
| 16:52.37 | UltimediaOS | k then i have no solution in mind sry |
| 16:52.40 | DammitJim | ok, I'll keep searching... I thought maybe someone on the channel would know... nothing wrong with it |
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| 16:53.02 | leefan | doesnt xbmc have a slideshow function already? |
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| 16:53.52 | DammitJim | leefan, yes, but it doesn't sync the music with the slides |
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| 16:54.28 | hgghjhgj | ¸÷λ½ºþºÃºº´óϺÃǺ㬿ì¸øÎÒÉÁ³ö¿éµØ·½...... |
| 16:54.38 | DammitJim | and yeah, I think I like the fact that I can create 1 avi or wmv or whatever so I can distribute it |
| 16:55.33 | stew | !cn |
| 16:55.33 | dpkg | For help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 16:58.19 | gionnico | how about linux mint debian based? |
| 16:58.33 | gionnico | or simplyMEPIS? |
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| 16:59.11 | daemonkeeper | About what? |
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| 16:59.58 | cnu | where do i get dquilt from? i only found quilt without 'd' |
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| 17:01.12 | Iridos | stew, did your client show that as chinese? |
| 17:01.28 | DasEi | ;) |
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| 17:02.26 | simonlnu | i just saw a bunch of reverse video ? |
| 17:02.40 | Iridos | cnu, apt-cache search quilt - what you see is what you get; there's a "gquilt", which is a gui for it... dunno what dquilt is supposed to be |
| 17:03.05 | cnu | Iridos, i'm reading some kinda debian new maintainers manual and it mentions dquilt |
| 17:03.08 | wols | Iridos: the IP is a clear giveaway |
| 17:03.25 | cnu | oh, it was an alias :p |
| 17:03.26 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: GUI for quilt. A patch management system |
| 17:03.53 | daemonkeeper | cnu: You don't need gquilt |
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| 17:04.25 | Iridos | wols, fairysnuff... just wondered, as my client only shows gibberish there, although it's able to deal with utf-8 and I do see chinese characters on websites |
| 17:04.35 | stew | Iridos: no, i use utf-8. I'm guessing based on the hostname |
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| 17:06.13 | TimurRoss | ÷ÓÅÍ ËÁÒÍÙ, ÊÏÕ! |
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| 17:06.49 | TimurRoss | ëÔÏ ÔÕÔ ÅÓÔØ? |
| 17:07.02 | Iridos | perhaps they're all secret codes, really |
| 17:07.20 | stew | !ru |
| 17:07.20 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please talk (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here. |
| 17:07.25 | cnu | okay thank you |
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| 17:08.18 | hgghjhgj | I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want to make love!!!!!I want t |
| 17:08.26 | `Lynx | hgghjhgj: fuck a duck |
| 17:08.34 | TimurRoss | dpkg, thank you |
| 17:08.34 | dpkg | TimurRoss: pas de quoi |
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| 17:08.51 | `Lynx | owned |
| 17:08.53 | `Lynx | lol |
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| 17:09.00 | Iridos | and I thought spring was over |
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| 17:09.19 | bzed | Iridos: summer holidays at school... |
| 17:09.40 | Iridos | oh... puberty... |
| 17:09.52 | Iridos | "spring the year round" |
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| 17:10.46 | TimurRoss | xaxaxa |
| 17:10.57 | Abr1l | Buenas! |
| 17:11.54 | stew | loads a !es into the chamber |
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| 17:13.22 | Abr1l | Hola quien puede por favor echarme una manito por favor |
| 17:13.26 | stew | !es |
| 17:13.26 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 17:14.48 | Abr1l | Gracias!!! Jejejeje nos leemos luego |
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| 17:17.29 | TimurRoss | How to patch KDE under FreeBSD? |
| 17:17.40 | twobitsprite | TimurRoss: wrong channel |
| 17:17.41 | tireddddd | for I in {1..1000000}; do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev sda; done (will this make impossible recover data) |
| 17:18.05 | daemonkeeper | And last about a year |
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| 17:18.19 | tireddddd | well how many times make impossible |
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| 17:18.20 | tireddddd | 1000? |
| 17:18.23 | stew | actually it will just spam you with "dd: unrecognized operand" |
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| 17:18.45 | tireddddd | it wont |
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| 17:19.06 | twobitsprite | s/of=\/dev sda/of=\/dev\/sda/ |
| 17:19.25 | tireddddd | i see i forgot a / |
| 17:19.34 | twobitsprite | \o/ |
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| 17:19.36 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 17:19.51 | daemonkeeper | twobitsprite: s# sda#/sda# for the lazy folks :) |
| 17:20.09 | twobitsprite | daemonkeeper: do all regex system recognize that? |
| 17:20.28 | Iridos | twobitsprite, \o/ for putting more effort into that substitution pattern than was put into the original command |
| 17:20.30 | daemonkeeper | All noteworthy. |
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| 17:20.47 | TimurRoss | how to use dpkg |
| 17:21.01 | twobitsprite | TimurRoss: the Debain command, or the #debian bot? |
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| 17:21.22 | twobitsprite | TimurRoss: man dpkg for the former, /msg dpkg help for the latter |
| 17:21.23 | stew | how to troll #debian channel? |
| 17:21.37 | cousin_mario | stew: by asking about ubuntu? |
| 17:21.51 | TimurRoss | Debian |
| 17:22.20 | twobitsprite | TimurRoss: in that case "man dpkg" |
| 17:22.22 | stew | TimurRoss: see "man dpkg" or ask a more specific question |
| 17:22.35 | stew | ^or^and |
| 17:22.40 | TimurRoss | éÎÕ |
| 17:22.42 | TimurRoss | Bye |
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| 17:24.20 | dreamer | hmm, how can you get a list of currently installed packages then transfer this list to another computer to install the same packages there? |
| 17:24.29 | stew | dreamer: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 17:24.44 | dreamer | ah, cute. thnx :) |
| 17:24.45 | tireddddd | is there any windows irc channel |
| 17:24.47 | tireddddd | can't find on freenode |
| 17:24.50 | daemonkeeper | ##windows |
| 17:24.52 | richo | I have an i386 install cd here. I need to recover on a machine which has a amd64 debian install |
| 17:24.54 | dreamer | tireddddd: should be there. it's unofficial though |
| 17:25.05 | richo | is it possible to use this CD to force it to boot the on disk kernel? |
| 17:25.30 | DasEi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.39 | DasEi | ah, said above, sry |
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| 17:26.15 | DasEi | richo : chroot won't work, depends what recovery will include |
| 17:26.16 | iridos | stew, I think you begin by speaking in some language that doesn't print for most people and then work your way up to asking questions that are a) offtopic and b) silly c) controversial, or d) all of the above |
| 17:26.33 | iridos | oh, it was a rhetorical question... silly me :) |
| 17:26.36 | richo | DasEi: I know chroot won't work. I don't want to boot the installer environment, but grub/boot from HD is toast |
| 17:26.52 | richo | so I basically want to use the install CD as a bootloader and delegate to my on disk install |
| 17:27.08 | richo | ie, call taht kernel with root=[UL root device" |
| 17:27.12 | DasEi | richo : so rather d/l supergrubdisk and use that (small download) |
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| 17:27.41 | richo | i don't hjave writable media with me |
| 17:27.51 | richo | and I don't really have time to fix the grub issue |
| 17:28.00 | DasEi | richo: no usb either ? |
| 17:28.01 | richo | (will supergrubdisk let me delegate the boot to another device?) |
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| 17:28.18 | richo | I have a USB key but I'm relucatnt to hose it, as it has my nic's firmware on it |
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| 17:30.14 | DasEi | richo: I'm not sure if I understand, with SGD you can repair your broken grub, too move /boot fstab (UUID's!) has to be altered, then an update-grub |
| 17:30.34 | richo | DasEi: the broken grub issue is complex |
| 17:30.46 | richo | I have a hardware raid controller and grub-install says something about embedding area too small |
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| 17:31.00 | richo | the honest truth is that it's 3am and I want to go home. If I can boot the right kernel I can deal with this tomorrow. |
| 17:31.19 | valdyn_ | richo: you need a different boot device |
| 17:31.58 | richo | I've created a second volume in lvm using debian installer and can access grub-install via that |
| 17:32.01 | richo | but I still get this error |
| 17:32.06 | DasEi | aka usb or cd or such |
| 17:32.14 | richo | valdyn_: I have a different boot device |
| 17:32.17 | richo | I can boot the deiban installer |
| 17:32.19 | valdyn_ | richo: thats not what i meant, you need a bootable physical device to install grub on |
| 17:32.31 | richo | I just need to know if there's syntax to tell it to boot a kernel off my disk, not off the install cd |
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| 17:36.25 | highclasshole | weechat | xfer: incoming file from hackorz (0.0.0.0): "startkeylogger", 0 bytes (protocol: dcc) |
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| 17:37.07 | valdyn_ | highclasshole: why are you posting that here? |
| 17:37.19 | highclasshole | accidentally the wrong channel |
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| 17:39.45 | cousin_mario | how can I avoid udev to meddle with the creation of a particular interface? |
| 17:40.09 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: whats your actual problem? |
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| 17:40.50 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: I'm creating VAPs on wlan0 via iw. ath0 comes up ok, but ath1 is renamed to ath1-ath0 for some reason. |
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| 17:43.32 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: modify the rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to do nothing or to do something that works |
| 17:44.07 | valdyn_ | !z25 |
| 17:44.07 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 17:44.12 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: perhaps I should add another entry? |
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| 17:44.29 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: the entries are added automatically for each nic |
| 17:44.56 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: read the file, tells you where the generator is too |
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| 17:45.17 | richo | valdyn_: any ideas for my issue? trying to work out how to boot some kind of 64 bit kernel now to get at my chroot |
| 17:45.36 | valdyn_ | richo: i told you? |
| 17:45.38 | `Lynx | !bitchx |
| 17:45.39 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. |
| 17:45.51 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: problem is the actual NIC is just one |
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| 17:46.12 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: maybe the MAC keeps changing |
| 17:46.13 | richo | valdyn_: ok, so hypothetically I don't mind hosing my USB key |
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| 17:46.26 | valdyn_ | richo: i dont know how or if that works with usb keys |
| 17:46.27 | richo | valdyn_: how does that help? What can I do from the USB key that I can't do from the CD? |
| 17:46.32 | richo | oj |
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| 17:46.37 | richo | sorry, I misunderstood |
| 17:46.38 | `Lynx | dpkg !tell `Lynx literal bitchxignore |
| 17:46.38 | dpkg | `Lynx: are you using Windows? |
| 17:47.06 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: it doesn't |
| 17:47.11 | valdyn_ | richo: usb keys are booted like cdrom / floppy iirc, and i have no idea how or if grub2 works with that |
| 17:47.17 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: I need to create two VAPs with the same MAC |
| 17:47.33 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: then clear the generator |
| 17:47.34 | richo | ok, cheers |
| 17:47.37 | richo | I think the issue is grub2 |
| 17:47.55 | valdyn_ | richo: uh? we already knew the issue is grub2 |
| 17:47.57 | richo | I reckon with the previous version it was working and this core.img is what's causing the problem |
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| 17:48.11 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: I can't find "persistent-net-generator.rules" anywhere |
| 17:48.12 | richo | well, I think the old env probably had grub1 (or whatever they were calling it) |
| 17:48.12 | valdyn_ | richo: the core.img is a few bytes bigger now |
| 17:48.30 | richo | yeah, it's telling me it won't fit so i think the opcode issue is probably because there is nothing for it to po9int to |
| 17:48.35 | valdyn_ | richo: i thought your kernel is on lvm on raid, is it not? |
| 17:48.47 | richo | well, this kernel is on raid, i have another on lvm though |
| 17:48.51 | richo | honestly, I don't care which one I boot |
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| 17:48.58 | richo | but it doesn't load grub |
| 17:49.21 | valdyn_ | richo: you did get an error message when you installed grub, that you showed us, sure it cant boot |
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| 17:49.52 | richo | well, i got a similar error when I installed another server, which booted fine |
| 17:50.00 | richo | so I (stupidly) ignored it |
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| 17:50.32 | valdyn_ | richo: the new thing is that grub will not just warn, it will *really* not write to disk |
| 17:50.44 | valdyn_ | richo: because that behaviour was dangerous in the first place |
| 17:50.47 | richo | ok |
| 17:51.02 | richo | I tried to resize that partition so I can create a static /boot at the start of the disk and install grub there |
| 17:51.09 | richo | but so far no luck |
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| 17:53.01 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: sorry, I'm failing to understand how to clear the generator |
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| 17:53.36 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: thats just a file, its removable |
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| 17:53.55 | _adam_ | is there any fsck.btrfs-like stuff? |
| 17:53.57 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: i dont know how this *should* be done, but it might just work to remove it |
| 17:54.09 | valdyn_ | _adam_: to what end? |
| 17:54.17 | ironm | good afternoon. Does anyone run debian squeeze with xen kernel on HP DL385 g7 servers? (opterons CPUs like 6176SE)? How is it possible to use IOMMU (there is no such BIOS option .. only AMD V). Thank you in advance for any hints. |
| 17:54.18 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: are you recommending I delete /lib/udev/write_net_rules ? |
| 17:54.26 | richo | ironm: I do |
| 17:54.35 | valdyn_ | _adam_: theres something with that name, but there isnt something that really does much useful |
| 17:54.41 | richo | no idea about IOMMU though |
| 17:54.42 | ironm | great richo :) |
| 17:54.47 | richo | sorry :( |
| 17:55.02 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: no im not, i say you can try that, i dont know if your system will explode |
| 17:55.05 | _adam_ | so i cant repair btrfs yet? |
| 17:55.08 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: ok |
| 17:55.20 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: I was hoping for a gentler method though... |
| 17:55.42 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: yea well, i see only that that file generates your interface nameing rules |
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| 17:56.06 | ironm | richo, do you use PVMs? ... xen looks to require IOMMU support for HVMs when passingthough PCI-devices to domU domains |
| 17:56.26 | valdyn_ | _adam_: are you seriously asking this *after* your btrfs has issues or are you trying to figure if its ready for production? |
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| 17:56.49 | stew | the later is easy "its not ready for production" |
| 17:57.00 | _adam_ | im running on it and i have some errors on disk, think |
| 17:57.15 | valdyn_ | _adam_: errors like what? |
| 17:57.48 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: it creates both interfaces now, but the second is inoperable |
| 17:57.49 | cousin_mario | :/ |
| 17:58.17 | valdyn_ | cousin_mario: no idea, 2 interfaces with the same mac doesnt even make sense to me |
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| 17:58.52 | _adam_ | parent transid verify failed on 30638080 wanted 1136 found 1089 |
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| 17:59.15 | cousin_mario | valdyn_: it used to work previously, anyway they aren't in the same broadcast domain, methinks |
| 17:59.30 | stew | _adam_: you might as well try fsck |
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| 18:00.21 | valdyn_ | btrfs debugging messages must be the most cryptic to me ive seen in linux |
| 18:00.43 | ironm | richo, is there another IRC channel for HP DL servers issues / questions? |
| 18:00.56 | _adam_ | fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.btrfs for /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt |
| 18:01.03 | richo | i dunno, but if there is I'd like to know |
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| 18:01.12 | stew | _adam_: check the bts |
| 18:01.29 | ironm | maybe it is possible to get another BIOS from HP (just to have the possibility to activate IOMMU support) |
| 18:01.35 | stew | hmm, i wonder why dba removed the "WARNING: Btrfs is under heavy development, and is not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review." message from the package description |
| 18:01.37 | _adam_ | what are the bts? |
| 18:01.40 | stew | its not as if its ready for production now |
| 18:01.42 | valdyn_ | _adam_: btrfsck |
| 18:02.06 | ironm | dmesg-DL385g7-kernel2.6.38-7.txt:[ 0.000000] Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup |
| 18:02.13 | ironm | dmesg-DL385g7-kernel3.txt:[ 0.000000] Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup |
| 18:02.17 | _adam_ | parent transid verify failed on 33112064 wanted 1145 found 1089 , like 5 times |
| 18:02.17 | stew | _adam_: http://bugs.debian.org/$packagename |
| 18:02.19 | ironm | dmesg-DL385g7-kernel3.txt:[ 6.722631] PCI-DMA: using GART IOMMU. |
| 18:02.26 | ironm | dmesg-DL385g7-kernel3.txt:[ 6.722651] PCI-DMA: Reserving 64MB of IOMMU area in the AGP aperture |
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| 18:03.41 | valdyn_ | _adam_: are you running btrfsck yet? |
| 18:03.50 | richo | ironm: if there is I'd like to know |
| 18:03.54 | richo | I'm having mad DL problems :( |
| 18:03.59 | _adam_ | it was the output |
| 18:04.19 | _adam_ | sec |
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| 18:04.30 | valdyn_ | _adam_: copy your data to a different filesystem and back if you want |
| 18:04.35 | valdyn_ | _adam_: that error isnt fatal |
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| 18:05.02 | ironm | what kind of problems richo? I have bought two servers and I am going to buy three more |
| 18:05.15 | ironm | I mean HP DL385 g7 |
| 18:05.24 | richo | ironm: grub2 with system installed on cciss/c0d0p1 |
| 18:05.32 | richo | I'm standing in front of 3 DL385g7's |
| 18:05.37 | richo | s/3/4 |
| 18:05.54 | _adam_ | valdyn_ its my / |
| 18:05.55 | richo | they're great machines but this legacy migration is killing me |
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| 18:07.39 | ironm | richo I do it in another way. I have created a xen live image (debian live) with syslinux boot loader. It works as expected. I have defined some LV-volumes and use them with domU domains |
| 18:08.41 | ironm | richo, I didn't have any problems t |
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| 18:09.03 | ironm | to install debian squeeze on the second server however @ richo |
| 18:09.14 | fignewman | The text in iceweasel is all messed up. It looks like a bunch of letters are being written over each other. I'm using iceweasel 4 from experimental on sid. I don't know when the problem started, but it's been a few months. iceweasel is the only gtk app I use so I don't know if it's limited just to that app. Any ideas? |
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| 18:09.57 | stew | fignewman: have you checked the bts? |
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| 18:12.01 | fignewman | stew: I did, but not terribly carefully. I've only looked at iceweasel specifically, but not at cairo, gtk, X, fontconfig, ... |
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| 18:17.38 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:19.24 | daemon | hey all if I have a folder with the permissions: |
| 18:19.24 | daemon | drwsrws--x 2 egghead projects 4096 Jun 29 18:12 projects |
| 18:19.30 | fignewman | well crap. It might just be noscript. When I do "allow all for this page", the text clears up. |
| 18:19.35 | daemon | and I am in the group 'projects' |
| 18:19.40 | daemon | uid=1001(paul) gid=1001(paul) groups=1001(paul),1002(projects) |
| 18:19.44 | daemon | why can I not write to the folder |
| 18:20.24 | daemon | chmod is 771 |
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| 18:21.09 | never | any Debian/kFreeBSD users/developers? |
| 18:21.41 | fignewman | daemon: is the filesystem mounted read-only, did you just now add yourself to projects, are there any ACL's on the directory? |
| 18:22.10 | daemon | fignewman, its rw, I added my self to projects before creating the directory and there are no known ACL's |
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| 18:22.38 | plm | Hi all |
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| 18:22.56 | plm | how I do for telnet not send after ENTER the char ^M? |
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| 18:23.16 | daemon | fignewman, just created a test directory in /tmp with the same setup; same issue |
| 18:23.22 | daemon | the actua chmod im using is 2771 |
| 18:23.28 | daemonkeeper | never: You can just ask, or doing the same in #debian-kbsd on OFTC |
| 18:23.30 | daemon | but '771' on its own fails anyway |
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| 18:24.19 | never | ok |
| 18:24.48 | never | is it known problem that top in long run crashes with I/O error trying to read /proc/meminfo |
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| 18:26.19 | fignewman | plm: you could try nc instead of telnet. Depends on if you're connecting to an actual telnet server or just trying to test a protocol |
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| 18:27.05 | daemonkeeper | never: I can't find your problem in kfreebsd related bugs |
| 18:27.11 | plm | fignewman: yes.. testing a protocol.. yes ncat works.. thanks :-) |
| 18:27.19 | daemonkeeper | never: For the sake of completeness http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=kfreebsd;users=debian-bsd@lists.debian.org |
| 18:27.25 | daemon | fignewman, it may be because 'projects' is an auxillary group for both users |
| 18:27.47 | daemon | not the primary login group |
| 18:27.51 | fignewman | daemon: that should still work |
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| 18:28.18 | never | daemonkeeper: I know this link, just wanted to ask here to be sure :) |
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| 18:29.16 | daemon | fignewman, paul@kether:~$ ls -la /home/ | grep pro && id paul && echo " test" > /home/projects/x |
| 18:29.16 | daemon | drwsrwsr-x 2 egghead projects 4096 Jun 29 18:29 projects |
| 18:29.17 | daemon | uid=1001(paul) gid=1001(paul) groups=1001(paul),1002(projects) |
| 18:29.17 | daemon | -bash: /home/projects/x: Permission denied |
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| 18:29.17 | fignewman | daemon: that list of groups you're in was from the 'id' command from your currently running shell, right? If you just added yourself to projects, you might need to log out and back in to actually get added |
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| 18:30.09 | fignewman | daemon: is the filesystem mounted nosuid? Not sure if that affects the guid bit on a directory |
| 18:30.29 | mrtnt1 | I have 2GB RAM in my T60. If I check memory usage using the "free" utility, I see that 1.77GB is in use: http://pastebin.com/pf6b7aXU However, I have just booted up the machine and I really don't understand, what is using this amount of memory.. If I check memory usage with "top" utility almost all processes have 0.0% memory usage. Any ideas? |
| 18:30.37 | fignewman | daemon: actually, that shouldn't matter in this case |
| 18:30.43 | daemon | fignewman, nope I can still write to my own home directory which is also on /home |
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| 18:31.09 | never | mrtnt1: run top |
| 18:31.17 | never | ah |
| 18:31.21 | fignewman | mrtnt1: does free show most of the memory in "use" by "buffers" and "cached"? |
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| 18:31.37 | inkvizitor68sl | mrtnt1: buffers, huh? |
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| 18:32.16 | jhutchins_lt | mrtnt1: What good would the memory be if it were not in use? |
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| 18:32.41 | inkvizitor68sl | mrtnt1: run free -m and look to string "-/+ buffers/cache:" |
| 18:33.05 | inkvizitor68sl | there is the amount of ram used by apps, not by fs cache and etc. |
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| 18:37.18 | mrtnt1 | fignewman: 441MB of memory is used by "-/+ buffers/cache". |
| 18:38.16 | mrtnt1 | jhutchins_lt: I don't mind it's in use, I'm just wondering what it's used for as I have no memory.hungry applications open |
| 18:38.48 | valdyn_ | mrtnt1: we dont know what you have open, so we cant tell you if 441 is reasonable |
| 18:40.24 | wols | mrtnt1: it's cache. not really to do with anything. and any single byte of memory not used by applicated is used for cache. cache could be empty even |
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| 18:40.39 | wols | *by applications |
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| 18:41.27 | mrtnt1 | wols: ok, is this cache something similar to HDD cache? |
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| 18:42.41 | wols | !tell mrtnt1 about free memory |
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| 18:43.19 | wols | mrtnt1: every PC OS does this, no exceptions |
| 18:43.27 | jhutchins_lt | mrtnt1: Yes. |
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| 18:43.41 | jhutchins_lt | wols: I don't think XP does it as thoroughly. |
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| 18:44.30 | wols | jhutchins_lt: just cause it's shit at it, doesn't mean it doesn't do it. linux' VM got better over the years too. pretty much too |
| 18:44.44 | ironm | richo, look at http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/ProLiant-Servers-ML-DL-SL/IOMMU-support-in-BIOS-of-HP-DL385-g7-servers/m-p/4807355/highlight/false#M112251 |
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| 18:45.06 | richo | wound up getting it sorted |
| 18:45.06 | Flash_ | xp is ten years old now, things /have/ moved on a tad |
| 18:45.07 | wols | win31 had the beginnings for it even. its cache was at least partially changeable too |
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| 18:45.10 | richo | but thanks :) |
| 18:45.21 | valdyn_ | dos had a cache |
| 18:45.26 | Flash_ | smartdrv |
| 18:45.30 | wols | but not a dynamic one |
| 18:45.53 | wols | but I remmeber I did use a caching program, maybe part of qemm386 which actually was |
| 18:46.05 | valdyn_ | dos shipped one at some point |
| 18:46.12 | Flash_ | yes, smartdrv! |
| 18:46.18 | cousin_mario | bbl |
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| 18:46.22 | Flash_ | although qemm did have a third party one too |
| 18:46.24 | never | daemonkeeper: what is OFTC? |
| 18:46.53 | iridos | never, an irc network... oftc.net |
| 18:46.59 | never | ty |
| 18:47.08 | never | speaking about DOS |
| 18:47.22 | never | when we should expect Debian/kFreeDOS ? :) |
| 18:47.59 | wols | when someone writes a libc for it to use it of course |
| 18:48.22 | stew | and probably a tad more hardware support |
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| 18:50.31 | wols | stew: BIOS provides all this for the essentials: disk. input devices and video. you have to go back to real mode, but those are minor details :) |
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| 18:51.20 | stew | wols: how are the network drivers looking? |
| 18:51.46 | stew | wols: oh and direct rendering while using my wacom tablet and usb fingerprint reader |
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| 18:53.13 | never | I remember back in 2003 everyone was laughing at guys who were trying to make Debian/kFreeBSD |
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| 18:53.28 | never | for now it is _almost_ ready for production use :) |
| 18:53.56 | never | the same thing may happen to Debian/kFreeDOS, if you will have enough crazy enough guys :) |
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| 18:59.06 | Amnesia | ehm hi, this question might seem strange to you foks |
| 18:59.07 | Amnesia | folks* |
| 18:59.13 | Amnesia | but dhclient isnt getting an ip |
| 18:59.21 | Amnesia | manually assigning works fine |
| 18:59.30 | Amnesia | and Im also sure the dhcp server's running fine |
| 19:00.00 | Amnesia | dhpcd also isnt working |
| 19:00.42 | wols | how are you trying to get an IP via dhcp? |
| 19:00.55 | Amnesia | dhclient eth0 |
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| 19:00.56 | Amnesia | as usual |
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| 19:01.20 | Amnesia | it used to work fine.. |
| 19:01.29 | wols | check your dhcp server, check any firewall in between |
| 19:01.37 | Amnesia | ^ |
| 19:01.38 | Amnesia | it's fine |
| 19:01.43 | Amnesia | and there's no firewall in between |
| 19:02.05 | wols | and the output of dhclient is? |
| 19:02.17 | Amnesia | nothing |
| 19:02.26 | Amnesia | neither in /var/log/messages |
| 19:02.36 | Amnesia | it seems it isnt sending a request at all.. |
| 19:02.41 | Amnesia | already tried reinstalling the package |
| 19:02.46 | ironm | guys: do you have any idea about "IOMMU support in BIOS of HP DL385 g7 servers"? - see http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/ProLiant-Servers-ML-DL-SL/IOMMU-support-in-BIOS-of-HP-DL385-g7-servers/m-p/4807355/highlight/true#M112251 |
| 19:02.56 | ironm | thank you in advance for any hints ;) |
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| 19:03.33 | wols | ironm: what is your question? |
| 19:03.46 | Amnesia | wols: U can't help me? |
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| 19:03.53 | wols | !u |
| 19:03.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:04.07 | wols | Amnesia: and if you ask like this, I don't want to help you |
| 19:04.13 | Amnesia | you w/e*:) |
| 19:04.35 | wols | dhclient at least writes some banner when it starts, even when it doesn nothing else |
| 19:04.42 | Amnesia | nope |
| 19:04.50 | Amnesia | but it has never done that on my debian system |
| 19:04.58 | Amnesia | also when it actually was working |
| 19:05.11 | ironm | wolfric, IOMMU support in BIOS of HP DL385 g7 servers - I use debian squeeze with xen enabled kernel |
| 19:05.34 | wols | Amnesia: dhclient always does: Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5 Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consortium. |
| 19:05.46 | wols | ironm: I still miss the question |
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| 19:06.04 | wols | preferably debian related |
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| 19:06.28 | Amnesia | wols: not getting that banner sorry |
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| 19:06.33 | Amnesia | the cursor just goes to a newline |
| 19:06.55 | wols | Amnesia: then ai suggest you examine your dhclient binary |
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| 19:07.06 | Amnesia | as I said I already reinstalled it |
| 19:07.08 | wols | "which dhclient" is a good start |
| 19:07.17 | Amnesia | but I will give it a new shot:) |
| 19:07.31 | ironm | wols .. sorry .. it was the wrong paste. my question again: Does HP DL385 g7 BIOS support IOMMU for xen virtualization? My xen enabled squeeze kernel doesn't see it |
| 19:07.41 | wols | Amnesia: this is not Windows. reinstalling out of desperation won't help |
| 19:08.26 | Amnesia | I know |
| 19:08.35 | Amnesia | but it could help using fresh config files |
| 19:09.37 | mrtnt1 | wols, jhutchins_lt, inkvizitor68sl: I think I understand now. Please check this "free -m" output: http://pastebin.com/QPPEqcj1 Am I correct, that my applications use 1822MB-840MB=982MB of RAM? 181MB is currently totally unused and 840MB is used for disk cache purposes? |
| 19:09.41 | Amnesia | I've got isc-dhclient-4.1.1-P1 installed btw |
| 19:10.52 | Amnesia | mrtnt1: http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
| 19:10.55 | never | Amnesia: there is leases file |
| 19:11.09 | never | Amnesia: where dhclient stores last received lease |
| 19:11.13 | Amnesia | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 19:11.22 | Amnesia | never: yep /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases |
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| 19:11.40 | never | Amnesia: and on the next run it requests in DHCP Discover the very same IP and settings which are in leases file |
| 19:11.44 | ironm | wols, when I use iommu=force the kernel crashes. the boot line looks like: append /live/xen_40_amd64.gz dom0_mem=2048M iommu=force --- /live/vmlinuz console=tty0 ro boot=live config locales=de_DE.UTF-8 utc=no timezone=Europe/Zurich keyboard-layouts=de username=ironm hostname=xen quiet xen-pciback.hide=(05:00.0)(05:00.1) --- /live/initrd.img |
| 19:11.47 | Amnesia | uhu |
| 19:12.11 | never | Amnesia: so your dhcp server tries to give you those settings |
| 19:12.15 | never | Amnesia: as per RFC |
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| 19:12.24 | Amnesia | I did switch from ext3 to ext4 |
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| 19:12.39 | Amnesia | maby that screwed up some permissions or something |
| 19:12.52 | never | Amnesia: how does it correspond to dhcp? :) |
| 19:13.18 | never | Amnesia: just tcpdump -s 0 -w file.pcap -i ethX |
| 19:13.20 | wols | Amnesia: what debian version is this? |
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| 19:13.25 | never | Amnesia: and then open it with wireshark |
| 19:13.32 | never | Amnesia: and you will understand everything |
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| 19:14.17 | inkvizitor68sl | mrtnt1: your apps using 840 mb |
| 19:14.32 | never | had an occasion to write almost complete implementation of dhcp server |
| 19:14.41 | Amnesia | never: already did that |
| 19:14.45 | Amnesia | no request is being sent |
| 19:14.50 | Amnesia | as stated above |
| 19:14.54 | inkvizitor68sl | mrtnt1: 1163 = 42+939+181 |
| 19:15.03 | inkvizitor68sl | mrtnt1: but 1 mb dissapeared xD |
| 19:15.09 | never | Amnesia: request comes after discover |
| 19:15.10 | wols | ironm: I know the chipset and the cpu can do IOMMU, but for the BIOS support you need to ask HP. not us, it's not debian related either |
| 19:15.15 | Amnesia | and tcpdump will probably only filter tcp packages and no tcp packages |
| 19:15.21 | never | Amnesia: if you have leases file |
| 19:15.27 | Amnesia | never: it appears to not be sending anything |
| 19:15.32 | Amnesia | never: thats empty |
| 19:15.37 | wols | inkvizitor68sl: BIOS shadow for example. normal |
| 19:15.39 | never | Amnesia: dhclient sends unicast dhcp discover message to the dhcp server from the leases file |
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| 19:16.02 | ironm | thank you wols - I asked on HP phorum but didn't get any answer yet |
| 19:16.22 | Amnesia | never: I know how dhcp works, what I don't know is why it stopped working now though:) |
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| 19:16.29 | never | Amnesia: btw, dhclient stores per-interface lease files usually |
| 19:16.39 | wols | ironm: your chipset is the 890FX when used in desktops and therefore can do IOMMU |
| 19:16.53 | Amnesia | hm |
| 19:17.02 | Amnesia | never: what are the enabled mode bits on your dhclient binary? |
| 19:17.35 | never | -r-xr-xr-x |
| 19:17.56 | ironm | good to know wols. maybe the BIOS doesn't support an IOMMU flag .. however xen server von citrix or VMWare should be able run HVM domU domains |
| 19:18.13 | never | Amnesia: why? |
| 19:18.30 | Amnesia | never: hm well perhaps its a permission problem |
| 19:18.36 | Amnesia | since everything was working fine |
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| 19:18.53 | never | Amnesia: leases files |
| 19:18.58 | never | Amnesia: which are per interface |
| 19:19.01 | never | Amnesia: are 000 |
| 19:19.05 | Amnesia | the binary's -rwxr-xr-x over here |
| 19:19.12 | Amnesia | owned by root? |
| 19:19.19 | never | Amnesia: sure |
| 19:20.10 | never | sorry |
| 19:20.12 | never | -rwxr-xr-x |
| 19:20.16 | never | for dhclient |
| 19:20.36 | never | but additional +w bit for root does not change anything |
| 19:20.38 | Amnesia | hm same here |
| 19:20.56 | Amnesia | ffs this is strange as hell |
| 19:20.57 | never | Amnesia: do you have files like dhclient.leases.vlan42 |
| 19:21.01 | Amnesia | nope |
| 19:21.13 | Amnesia | I reinstalled isc-dhcp-client though |
| 19:21.18 | never | check permissions of dir |
| 19:21.20 | Amnesia | so those were probably pruned |
| 19:21.27 | wols | !tell Amnesia about debsums |
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| 19:21.41 | wols | also check the manpage and try to get something printed on screen by dhclient |
| 19:21.41 | never | where it tries to store leases files |
| 19:21.47 | never | y |
| 19:21.53 | Amnesia | wols: debsums won |
| 19:21.57 | never | wols: I suppose he did that, no? |
| 19:21.59 | Amnesia | t fix permissions:) |
| 19:22.03 | Amnesia | yep already did that |
| 19:22.08 | Amnesia | rwxr-xr-x root:root |
| 19:22.15 | Amnesia | on: var/lib/dhcp/ * |
| 19:22.24 | never | should be or is? |
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| 19:23.08 | Amnesia | is |
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| 19:24.42 | wols | "won"? |
| 19:25.18 | Amnesia | what:)? |
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| 19:27.06 | never | Amnesia: and what should be? |
| 19:27.15 | Amnesia | I don't know |
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| 19:27.53 | Amnesia | the other dirs except for sudo ofc have got the same permissions in /var/lib/ |
| 19:28.15 | never | Amnesia: dhclient -d ? |
| 19:28.39 | v12 | hi! mounting business-card iso from USB, as loopback. what is kernel and initrd paths? |
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| 19:29.37 | Amnesia | DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 |
| 19:29.41 | Amnesia | and then nothing never |
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| 19:30.26 | Amnesia | (I'm sure that the dhcp server works, since my mobile is perfectly able to connect to it using dhcp) |
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| 19:31.00 | Pipo | Hi |
| 19:31.49 | boudiccas | lo |
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| 19:32.57 | Pipo | Can anyone here help me test a theory? I'm a Canadian, I rented a Debian VPS in Chicago with the intent to use it as a proxy to access the US Netflix (which has a better catalog than the canadian one). The proxy works, I can fool whatismyip.com, but Netflix keeps showing me the canadian catalog. |
| 19:33.13 | Pipo | I think it's because doing a reverse-lookup on my US IP gives the .ca domain of the VPS provider |
| 19:33.15 | m3asmi | dh_make => the current directory |
| 19:33.15 | m3asmi | needs to be in the format of <package>-<version> |
| 19:33.49 | Pipo | If anyone here is feeling generous, could you please give me a shell account on a US IP for 2 minutes, so I can test whether accessing Netflix from an IP that doesn't reverse-resolve to a .ca domain gives me proper access? |
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| 19:34.37 | Pipo | All I need to do is go to netflix.com, log in, search for an anime, and if it's not available to play, that means my problem is local, that Netflix is somehow bypassing my proxy. |
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| 19:35.24 | themill | Pipo: does netflix use flash to deliver the video? |
| 19:35.29 | Pipo | themill: Silverlight |
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| 19:35.56 | themill | ahh... nfc what silverlight does with proxies; (I do know that flash ignores them and does its own thing) |
| 19:36.03 | Pipo | nfc? |
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| 19:36.29 | ironm | wols, when I try to boot "Linux xen 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64" kernel on this HP DL385 g7 I am getting Panic on CPU 0 and the sytem reboots - see message on the console: http://paste.debian.net/121425/ |
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| 19:38.09 | lancelot_of | hi all i'm becoming crazy onmy machine. The X session crashes whenever i've xscreensaver running or not.After 15-30 minutes it goes down and all my work is lost. That's my Xorg.0.log.old: http://paste.debian.net/121426/ |
| 19:38.32 | lancelot_of | there are also many dri calls even if in the doubt i've disabled dri in my X |
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| 19:40.33 | lancelot_of | and in my syslog there are a lot of lines of this type (i can't pastebinit the whole log 'cause it's fullfilled of this lines!): http://paste.debian.net/121427/ |
| 19:40.44 | lancelot_of | please help |
| 19:41.38 | lancelot_of | i'm running debian wheeze and 2.6.38-2-686 |
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| 19:42.27 | ujjain | does sid have far more packages? |
| 19:42.54 | boudiccas | ujjain; more than what? |
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| 19:43.29 | ronny | hi |
| 19:43.33 | boudiccas | lo |
| 19:43.52 | ronny | after a update on my weezy i get *** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap' |
| 19:43.59 | ronny | anyone knows what broke? |
| 19:44.06 | ronny | gnome-terminal is not usable any more |
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| 19:44.12 | never | Amnesia: tcpdump on your interface |
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| 19:44.26 | never | Amnesia: tcpdump -s 0 -w dump.pcap -i ethX |
| 19:44.26 | ujjain | boudiccas: more than main + nonfree |
| 19:44.28 | s3a | is there any way to view a man page in a gui tool such as gedit? |
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| 19:44.51 | ompaul | ronny: did you do a d-u |
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| 19:44.55 | ujjain | I am often interetested in sid packages. Not sure if I should consider erpckaging based on source package? |
| 19:44.56 | Amnesia | never: it's working after the reboot |
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| 19:45.17 | Amnesia | never: and afaik if not specified tcpdump will filter tcp packages only |
| 19:45.21 | Amnesia | but thx though:) |
| 19:45.27 | stew | ujjain: there are 14974 source pacakges in stable and 17264 in sid |
| 19:45.33 | stew | ujjain: that is counting all of main+contrib+nonfree |
| 19:45.58 | never | Amnesia: tcpdump -s 0 -w dump.pcap -eni ethX |
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| 19:46.19 | ronny | ompaul: yeah, after it did held back the vte libs while already giving that error |
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| 19:49.27 | m3asmi | dh_make problem the current directory needs to be in the format of <package>-<version>. |
| 19:49.38 | ompaul | ronny: welcome to sid :-) holding back stuff should go away with the dist-upgrade |
| 19:49.45 | ironm | does one of you run xen on HP DL385 g7 server? |
| 19:49.48 | ujjain | stew: ah ok, I found http://mirror.kku.ac.th/debian/pool/contrib/b/bitlbee-skype/ |
| 19:49.54 | ompaul | ronny: wait for another mirror sync about 6 hours should do it |
| 19:49.57 | ujjain | is this related to official mirror? |
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| 19:50.27 | ompaul | ujjain: find out by starting at http://www.debian.org and find downloads and check out mirros |
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| 19:50.52 | stew | ujjain: see if it is on http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 19:51.40 | ronny | meh |
| 19:51.46 | ronny | at least xterm works |
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| 19:52.46 | ujjain | stew: Yes!!! |
| 19:52.57 | ujjain | deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 19:53.01 | ujjain | is this line wrong? |
| 19:53.20 | ujjain | because it does not list bitlbee-skype after updating |
| 19:53.36 | stew | judd: versions bitlbee-skype |
| 19:53.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'bitlbee-skype' was found in i386. |
| 19:53.50 | daemonkeeper | Sounds like non-free cuft |
| 19:54.00 | stew | oh |
| 19:54.19 | ujjain | it uses skype, which is non-free, but I found it on contrib... |
| 19:54.23 | stew | ujjain: bitlbee-skype is the name of the source pacakge, not the binary pacakges, and it is in unstable only |
| 19:54.26 | ujjain | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/b/bitlbee-skype/ |
| 19:54.33 | ujjain | ahhh! :( |
| 19:54.35 | stew | judd: versions bitlbee-plugin-skype |
| 19:54.36 | judd | Package bitlbee-plugin-skype on i386 -- sid/contrib: 0.8.1-0.2 |
| 19:54.45 | ujjain | yes I already found in unstable |
| 19:55.10 | stew | it appears it was recently removed from testing |
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| 19:55.16 | ujjain | I just don't like to do manual installations with compilng, it seems not uninstallable |
| 19:55.17 | stew | !dbugs 622739 |
| 19:55.21 | dpkg | #622739:S[bitlbee-skype] bitlbee-skype: Uninstallable due to skype4py removal (); Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:33:02 UTC [] |
| 19:55.22 | Krabbe | sorry for any incovience regarding nick change spam, BNC had to be restarted. Some BUG I guess. |
| 19:55.32 | MrFrood | bitlbee is an IRC to IM gateway thingy |
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| 19:56.05 | ujjain | I use Bitlbee for MSN, and would like to use it for Skype contacts too. |
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| 19:58.40 | ujjain | stew: would you manually compile? create own package? install from sid? I don't mind if it would take me 2 hours to compete. |
| 19:59.05 | stew | i'd not use skype in the first place :) |
| 19:59.30 | stew | ujjain: but /msg dpkg ssb ; however you are going to have to backport at least the skype4py package as well |
| 19:59.39 | jhutchins_lt | stew: So what would you use as a cross-platform video chat tool? |
| 20:00.10 | stew | ujjain: and you should see why that was removed from testing, it might be something like "it is unusably buggy" |
| 20:00.36 | ujjain | stew: thanks, appreciate it lots |
| 20:00.41 | stew | jhutchins_lt: ekiga, i suppose |
| 20:00.59 | stew | jhutchins_lt: but for cross platform video chat over irc, i don't believe that a solution exists |
| 20:01.15 | jhutchins_lt | Last I checked they lacked a central exchange... |
| 20:01.20 | SpeedyG | hi, i'm having multiple virtual servers running and would like to create some form of secure centralized authentication.... what would be the recommended solution for that ? |
| 20:01.38 | jhutchins_lt | The skype plugins just launch skype. |
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| 20:02.13 | jhutchins_lt | They still connect skype-to-skype, just launched from your chat window. |
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| 20:05.06 | m3asmi | debhelper: can you help me to create a deb file from jar |
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| 20:05.23 | MoL0ToV | hi to all |
| 20:05.26 | jhutchins_lt | Ekiga has been making some progress, but I don't know that it would really work for a Linux/Windows/Mac environment... |
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| 20:05.35 | norbert_ | hi all |
| 20:05.44 | MoL0ToV | someone that can help me with software raid ? |
| 20:05.51 | doxin | i've got some heavily broken pakages, doing fix broken packages from synaptic gives "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-gconf_0.10.29-2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstgconfelements.so', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-good 0.10.24-1" any ideas on how to fix? |
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| 20:06.33 | stew | jhutchins_lt: it does |
| 20:06.59 | stew | well, i have no idea about macs |
| 20:07.17 | norbert_ | stew: who pays you to answer all these questions here? ;) |
| 20:07.23 | norbert_ | you're always around helping folks |
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| 20:07.37 | norbert_ | your karma must be huge by now |
| 20:07.40 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, you'd probably need both X and Gnome on the Mac. |
| 20:07.40 | Justin | doxin: remove gstreamer0.10-gconf |
| 20:08.03 | lancelot_of | no suggestion for me? |
| 20:09.09 | norbert_ | lancelot_of: missed your question, I joined later; what's the problem? |
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| 20:09.21 | doxin | Justin: its not installed |
| 20:09.35 | vi390 | hi, what is a good practice to achieve that on a shared drive everything is written with neutral file permissions (maybe 777 and uid=1000) |
| 20:09.58 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: Whch release are you running, what video chiset, and what drivers? |
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| 20:10.26 | stew | doxin: you are trying to mix the gstreamer0.10-plugins-good package from squeeze with the gstreamer0.10-gconf package from wheezy |
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| 20:10.41 | doxin | stew: not intentionally, |
| 20:10.52 | lancelot_of | ok i post again |
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| 20:10.59 | doxin | stew: but how to fix? nothing is able to get installed now |
| 20:11.06 | lancelot_of | hi all i'm becoming crazy onmy machine. The X session crashes whenever i've xscreensaver running or not.After 15-30 minutes it goes down and all my work is lost. That's my Xorg.0.log.old: http://paste.debian.net/121426/ |
| 20:11.15 | MoL0ToV | someone here that can help me with software raid ? one disk is damaged and now the system don't boot |
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| 20:11.17 | lancelot_of | and in my syslog there are a lot of lines of this type (i can't pastebinit the whole log 'cause it's fullfilled of this lines!): http://paste.debian.net/121427/ |
| 20:11.22 | lancelot_of | i'm running debian wheeze and 2.6.38-2-686 |
| 20:11.23 | stew | doxin: you have likely found a packaging bug with gstreamer0.10-gconf in wheezy (it should specifically declare that it conflicts/replaces gstreamer0.10-plugins-good from squeeze), however we'd strongly encourage you not to mix stable with non-stable |
| 20:11.38 | stew | doxin: what version of debian do you intend to be running? stable or testing? |
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| 20:11.44 | NiLon | hmm is there any text browser (lynx/links) that will support ipv6 for lenny? I know that links 2.2 will have ipv6 supported but lenny is offering (2.1pre37) so um |
| 20:11.50 | norbert_ | lancelot_of: try putting in the Device section or your X conf: Option "BusType" "PCI" |
| 20:11.51 | NiLon | I basically need to fetch only 1 site for now |
| 20:11.55 | doxin | stew: testing |
| 20:11.59 | norbert_ | lancelot_of: or maybe: Option "AGPMode" "4" |
| 20:11.59 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 20:12.03 | jhutchins_lt | MoL0ToV: How did you damage the disk? |
| 20:12.30 | MoL0ToV | i think that is defective |
| 20:12.47 | MoL0ToV | i extracted the disk |
| 20:12.49 | MoL0ToV | but now |
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| 20:13.11 | MoL0ToV | with only one disk of software raid1, the system won't boot |
| 20:13.23 | lancelot_of | norbert_, http://paste.debian.net/121435/ |
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| 20:13.44 | norbert_ | lancelot_of: see my advice above |
| 20:13.56 | lancelot_of | norbert_, what changes? |
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| 20:14.44 | lancelot_of | norbert_, the bustype option should be specified through BusID, shouldn't it?And what about Option "AGPMode" "4" ? |
| 20:15.06 | MoL0ToV | jhutchins_lt, so i booted via a livecd, do a mdadm --assemble --scan, and all works. then chrooted, but now i don't know what is wrong, why system don't boot |
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| 20:15.52 | jhutchins_lt | MoL0ToV: Just a guess, but you probably need to run grub-install from the chroot. |
| 20:16.34 | MoL0ToV | jhutchins_lt, i just do it |
| 20:16.42 | MoL0ToV | but no success |
| 20:17.02 | MoL0ToV | the grub prompt don't appears |
| 20:17.32 | MoL0ToV | the system read something from disk then reboot immediatly, infinitly |
| 20:17.42 | norbert_ | lancelot_of: both things I mentioned are Options that you add to what is already there |
| 20:17.49 | norbert_ | anyways, I gotta go |
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| 20:17.54 | stew | doxin: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 20:20.45 | doxin | stew: there don't seem to be any stable lines in thar |
| 20:20.57 | MoL0ToV | jhutchins_lt, i must run grub-install /dev/sda ? |
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| 20:21.51 | shredder12 | hi everyone. I installed a fresh copy of debian using debian-6.0.1a dvd. I'm having trouble finding a few packages. I believe its because of lack of sources mentioned in sources.list file. Here's a copy of the file http://pastebin.com/6qNhghBv Any suggestions? |
| 20:22.12 | stew | doxin: cool, move on to the next step then |
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| 20:23.20 | doxin | stew: The following packages have unmet dependencies: cheese : Depends: gstreamer0.10-gconf but it is not installed. |
| 20:23.20 | jhutchins_lt | MoL0ToV: That would be my guess, but if that didn't work I don't know what to try next. |
| 20:23.44 | MoL0ToV | i can try to update the bios... |
| 20:23.55 | MoL0ToV | you are able to download this file? ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-windows/p1657370250/v69499/SP53393.exe |
| 20:24.12 | stew | doxin: what command gave you that error? |
| 20:24.24 | wols | shredder12: you need a main repo in there. /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 20:24.54 | doxin | stew: apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:26.13 | stew | i'm surpised its not smart enough to fix that |
| 20:26.34 | doxin | stew: hm? |
| 20:26.56 | stew | doxin: you might try adding a -f, or running just a "aptitude -f install" first |
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| 20:27.06 | stew | (either apt-get or aptitude there) |
| 20:27.17 | stew | or use aptitude |
| 20:28.31 | jhutchins | MoL0ToV: Always good to have the bios up to date, but I doubt it has anything to do with the problem. |
| 20:29.20 | MoL0ToV | jhutchins, you are able to download this bios update file? ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-windows/p1657370250/v69499/SP53393.exe i try to update... |
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| 20:30.01 | adrian15b | MoL0ToV, Currently the RAID1 does work ok or you want only to boot from one hard disk ? |
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| 20:30.42 | MoL0ToV | adrian15b, one of 2 disk are damaged (burned). so i extracted it |
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| 20:31.08 | MoL0ToV | and the system must work also with only one of 2 software_raid hard drives |
| 20:31.28 | MoL0ToV | is a hp microserver |
| 20:32.12 | adrian15b | MoL0ToV, Can you pastebin how do you mount special partitions before running grub-install from the chroot ? |
| 20:32.34 | shredder12 | wols, thanks! that fixed it :) |
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| 20:32.58 | jhutchins | MoL0ToV: Yes, almost instantly. |
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| 20:36.42 | doxin | are there any workarounds for a broken hardware clock? right now i'm having a skew of .3 secs every ten minutes. |
| 20:36.50 | MoL0ToV | adrian15b, after mdadm --assemble --scan |
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| 20:37.04 | MoL0ToV | the filesystems appears on gnome file manager |
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| 20:37.25 | MoL0ToV | so i clicked on it and automagically was mounted in /media/part-id |
| 20:37.27 | allorder | doxin: http://wiki.debian.org/NTP ? |
| 20:37.37 | MoL0ToV | then i chrooted to it |
| 20:37.37 | adrian15b | MoL0ToV, The question is how you mount the special devices before running chroot |
| 20:37.42 | doxin | allorder: well, yeah, but i dont want to ntp every half hour |
| 20:37.54 | karlpinc | Why do I have a /etc/init.d/iptables and /etc/default/iptables files? /etc/default/iptables indicates it's part of the iptables package, but it's not -- that I can figure out. I want to delete them, but would like to throughly clean up and so want to know what they're doing there. |
| 20:38.01 | allorder | doxin: ok.. |
| 20:38.20 | karlpinc | doxin: Running ntpd should just take care of it. |
| 20:38.27 | doxin | allorder: right now i have it ntpdate on boot to get it somewhat right, but the high skew worries me |
| 20:38.31 | MoL0ToV | adrian15b, mdadm gives to me automatically /dev/md0 /dev/md1 /dev/md2 |
| 20:38.42 | doxin | karlpinc: i doubt ntp was made for use without a hw clock altogether |
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| 20:39.11 | karlpinc | doxin: I've used it on a box without a hw clock. |
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| 20:40.10 | karlpinc | !ntpdate |
| 20:40.11 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 20:40.12 | doxin | karlpinc: hm. |
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| 20:40.34 | doxin | karlpinc: imma just do that then. ideally i'd just have a working hardware clock >:I |
| 20:41.04 | karlpinc | doxin: I don't suppose the clock battery can be replaced or something? |
| 20:41.15 | doxin | karlpinc: not if the cmos is fried, no. |
| 20:41.54 | karlpinc | doxin: My box had no clock by design. But I wouldn't think that would matter. |
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| 20:42.09 | doxin | karlpinc: where do you even find a pc without hwclock? |
| 20:42.26 | karlpinc | doxin: It wasn't a pc. It was a wifi router. |
| 20:42.29 | adrian15b | MoL0ToV, Where is it found the /boot folder/partition ? |
| 20:42.37 | doxin | karlpinc: ah, as such. |
| 20:43.02 | doxin | karlpinc: my wifi router has a pretty accurate hwclock, it's the source clock for all mah pcs :D |
| 20:43.02 | Zopieux | hi |
| 20:43.16 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: It still has a clock, it just may not have an RTC interface. I'd be surprized though, most routers have ntp capabilities. |
| 20:43.23 | Zopieux | i've got a brand new VPS with debian 6 x64 |
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| 20:43.29 | Zopieux | i've got this when updating: |
| 20:43.30 | Zopieux | Err http://ftp.debian.org squeeze/updates/main amd64 Packages |
| 20:43.30 | Zopieux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.14 | jhutchins_lt | Zopieux: Shouldn't that second slash be a space? |
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| 20:44.27 | jhutchins_lt | shouldn't ened in "Packages" either... |
| 20:44.37 | jhutchins_lt | !sources |
| 20:44.38 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:44.55 | stew | Zopieux: that should probably be security.debian.org not ftp.debian.org |
| 20:45.19 | jhutchins_lt | Zopieux: Also should not end in amd64 Packages - remove those two. |
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| 20:45.35 | buhman | where is the sshd configuration stored? |
| 20:45.35 | Zopieux | well, do you know where to find a "common" deb list? |
| 20:45.43 | Zopieux | sources.list I mean |
| 20:45.43 | stew | Zopieux: the rest is correct (it should be saying amd64 and Packages) |
| 20:45.53 | stew | Zopieux: dpkg just spit one out |
| 20:45.53 | buhman | does't appear to be /etc/sshd_config... |
| 20:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Funny, that's not in the factoid. Maybe you should fix it. |
| 20:46.35 | fbh | buhman: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:46.41 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i don't think the factoid needs to show output of apt, just what you put into sources.list like it has now |
| 20:47.21 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, that's the error output, not the source list. you're right. |
| 20:49.03 | buhman | fbh: thanks |
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| 21:24.13 | TML-prv | Is there anything in Debian similar to "rpm --setperms" (resets permissions of all installed files to the original values they were when the package was installed) |
| 21:24.25 | TML-prv | Some idiot in ##PHP hosed his box |
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| 21:26.13 | iridos | one can reinstall the package |
| 21:26.43 | phogg | or a combination of dpkg -c and a while read loop |
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| 21:28.00 | TML-prv | iridos: Does a reinstall fix permissions? |
| 21:28.15 | TML-prv | I guess if he purges first? |
| 21:28.19 | iridos | no |
| 21:28.36 | iridos | configuration files aren't touched, but all other files should be removed and installed again |
| 21:28.48 | iridos | should be like an upgrade to the same version number |
| 21:29.03 | iridos | I must admit I never deliberately messed up permissions and tried to fix them with it, though |
| 21:29.09 | TML-prv | heh |
| 21:29.10 | TML-prv | touche |
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| 21:29.21 | iridos | but I could... it's easy enough to try |
| 21:29.45 | TML-prv | I'll try to steer him from here |
| 21:29.51 | TML-prv | Thank you both |
| 21:30.21 | iridos | but that means you need to download all packages again for the reinstall |
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| 21:30.42 | iridos | I bet there's a better way... not necessarily a simpler one, though |
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| 21:32.47 | helo | is there any reason if eth0 is dhcp that eth0:0 can't be a static ip on the same network? |
| 21:32.55 | phogg | iridos: In a similar situation I wound up writing a shell script using dpkg -c, as I mentioned. Fixed some 5k packages... wish I could remember where I saved it. |
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| 21:33.45 | iridos | phogg, but dpkg -c needs the .deb |
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| 21:34.10 | iridos | phogg/ TML-prv similar script is here: http://serverfault.com/questions/221447/how-to-repair-restore-ubuntu-10-04-after-sudo-chmod-777 |
| 21:34.17 | phogg | iridos: ah, well I do cache everything I have installed... that helps |
| 21:34.59 | phogg | I would assume that RPM's --fix-perms would require the .rpm files as well, right? Unless file path and mode are stored in the rpm db |
| 21:34.59 | iridos | well, there's an automatic maximum set for the size of the archive... 1GB or 2GB, I think? |
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| 21:35.18 | iridos | hm, dunno |
| 21:35.23 | phogg | iridos: I don't recall, but I believe it's configurable (and set to high for me) |
| 21:36.02 | iridos | phogg, but reinstall would do the same, only taking the additional time to overwrite files... but would be a single aptitude command |
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| 21:36.27 | iridos | I wondered if debsums could give a solution, but didn't find any |
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| 21:37.16 | iridos | hm... status file doesn't store files/permissions |
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| 21:37.35 | phogg | iridos: FYI, that ubuntu fix script is pretty broken. |
| 21:37.48 | phogg | I should go find mine and post it there for future reference |
| 21:38.32 | dansushi | does anyone know when debian will change to kde 4.5/4.6? According to http://www.kde.org/download/distributions.php it's still on 4.4 |
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| 21:39.03 | iridos | phogg, didn't look to closely, but seems straightforward enough... what's wrong with it? |
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| 21:39.58 | iridos | except for parsing the output of ls |
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| 21:40.41 | phogg | iridos: lots of things that make it not very robust |
| 21:40.47 | phogg | iridos: that's one |
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| 21:41.22 | iridos | yeah, I saw some others.. but all of them should be fine because debian packages shouldn't have whitespace and other weird stuff in the name |
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| 21:41.44 | iridos | so I'd call it "badly-written", but not "broken" :) |
| 21:42.09 | phogg | well, when it comes to shell scripts I think these are synonymous. It's a small step from not well written to stuff blowing up. |
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| 21:42.54 | iridos | well, I just thought about how files would look like and thought that it'd probably work |
| 21:42.54 | v12 | hi, i'm having a problem with the businesscard installer. does someone here know the installer? |
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| 21:44.07 | v12 | glares at installer |
| 21:44.18 | v12 | help? |
| 21:44.21 | iridos | !seen installer |
| 21:44.21 | dpkg | iridos: i haven't seen 'installer' |
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| 21:44.49 | iridos | v12, you haven't actually asked a question, except, kind of, "can I ask a question" |
| 21:45.13 | iridos | everyone reading will decide if they can answer after you asked, because... if you don't how should we know? |
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| 21:46.03 | yebyen | can anyone help me with this sed expression? i'm trying to strip out part of a URL... |
| 21:46.07 | v12 | i mounted the installer via grub loopback from usb. this is businesscard installer. it hangs looking for cdrom. how do i tell it where to find its files? |
| 21:46.10 | iridos | phogg, I would have thought maybe file permissions are stored somewhere... hmm... what about apt-file? |
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| 21:48.29 | wolfric | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/img02971.jpg/ when i went to install squeeze. Think it has 500 megs of ram. Any ideas? |
| 21:48.49 | iridos | yebyen, ##sed? |
| 21:48.59 | yebyen | ooh, that exists? |
| 21:49.08 | yebyen | thank you |
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| 21:50.07 | iridos | v12, you want to do a usb install and... what's the error? |
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| 21:50.29 | iridos | you usually put the iso image onto the usb stick and the usb install finds it there and mounts it |
| 21:50.30 | v12 | from console: "cdrom mount failed" |
| 21:50.33 | iridos | !usb install |
| 21:50.33 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 21:50.36 | helo | if i have eth0 configured static to use dhcp, and it gets IP 192.168.1.100/255.255.255.0, can i set up eth0:0 to be static 192.168.1.5/255.255.255.0, or do the subnets need to be different? |
| 21:50.46 | kombi | looking for a cheap dedicated server in the US, any recomendations? |
| 21:51.13 | helo | hah, "eth0 configured to use dhcp" |
| 21:51.18 | helo | not "static configured to use dhcp" |
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| 21:52.27 | v12 | iridos: rereading. |
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| 21:54.16 | iridos | v12, it was picky about the name of the iso, though... and yes... as far as I recall you can just switch to one of the consoles and mount the stuff yourself (with difficulties, though, because so many commands you expect to work are missing)... one console shows you errors and might give you clues as to why the image is not found |
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| 21:54.50 | puff | I'm having a problem installing emacs on a new squeeze http://pastebin.com/iyUca0bJ |
| 21:54.55 | iridos | helo, you can... I had that set up once |
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| 21:55.09 | iridos | hmmm... or so I think |
| 21:55.09 | helo | hmm... i seem to be having issues with the interface coming up on boot |
| 21:55.18 | helo | i can ifdown/ifup it and it will work, but not after rebooting |
| 21:55.28 | helo | ifconfig doesn't show it, but ifup eth0:0 says it is already configured |
| 21:55.29 | v12 | iridos: web page does not address my problem, but rather starting the kernel using syslinux. is there some way to mount /cdrom from kernel boot? |
| 21:55.30 | iridos | well... did you write an "auto" stanza for it? |
| 21:55.33 | helo | yep |
| 21:56.06 | v12 | puff: what emacs version? |
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| 21:56.32 | puff | v12: I'm just specifying emacs, which appears to map to emacs23. |
| 21:56.49 | puff | e.g. "sudo aptitude install emacs" |
| 21:57.00 | puff | Sorry, hadn't realized I'd left that line off. |
| 21:57.16 | iridos | Couldn't find package "2"? |
| 21:57.20 | iridos | indeed, I'm also curious |
| 21:57.49 | v12 | puff: dbus didn't install correctly. that's basic and must be addressed |
| 21:58.18 | v12 | puff: how did dbus fail |
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| 21:59.14 | iridos | wolfric, I've never seen that |
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| 21:59.34 | v12 | iridos: so the installer searches for its iso name, on the root drive? |
| 21:59.40 | iridos | iridos, go into the bios and see what that thinks how much ram the machine has? |
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| 22:01.32 | iridos | v12, it's a bit of a long time since I did that.. .but you put some special usb-image on the stick, then you put a regular installer iso on yeah on the "root of the stick" i.e. highest level and then it gets searched for? |
| 22:01.51 | puff | iridos, v12: the package "2" bit is probably from where I typo'd redirecting STDERR into the same error file. |
| 22:01.53 | v12 | ahh, mine is in /boot/isos ... |
| 22:01.54 | iridos | I dunno if the businesscard image is sufficient |
| 22:02.37 | puff | iridos, v12: I'm not sure how dbus failed, initially I attempted to install several packages: sudo aptitude install screen rsync emacs less links mutt dnsutils procmail |
| 22:03.03 | puff | iridos, v12: Guess I'll try aptitude reinstall dbus |
| 22:03.06 | puff | Hm, nope. |
| 22:03.12 | iridos | v12, oh... according to the recent documentation you don't need any iso but can just install from the net |
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| 22:03.44 | v12 | i want to use an iso. |
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| 22:04.26 | puff | iridos, v12: So what next, aptitude remove & purge and then install dbus? |
| 22:04.29 | iridos | puff, what was the command you ran? |
| 22:04.42 | puff | iridos: For which? |
| 22:04.47 | iridos | for the pastebin |
| 22:05.00 | iridos | I think the answer is "use aptitude" |
| 22:05.30 | puff | iridos: sudo aptitude install emacs 2&>1 > aptitude.problem.txt |
| 22:05.30 | puff | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.41 | v12 | puff: non-dpkg-hack follows: ls -al /var/lib/dpkg/info/dbus-whatever.list and see if it's recent or old |
| 22:05.56 | puff | iridos: Originally I did this: sudo aptitude install screen rsync emacs less links mutt dnsutils procmail |
| 22:05.59 | iridos | hm, I would have bet that output came from apt-get |
| 22:06.04 | puff | iridos: That failed with the above errors. |
| 22:06.17 | puff | iridos: nope. |
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| 22:06.27 | v12 | puff: start with apt-get install dbus, and see if it complains about anything |
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| 22:06.35 | puff | iridos: Then I tried just aptitude install emacs, and got the same errors. |
| 22:06.42 | v12 | puff: maybe dbus is fine |
| 22:06.45 | puff | Okay. |
| 22:06.56 | puff | Same error. |
| 22:07.38 | nkuttler | puff: what's the error anyway? |
| 22:08.03 | lolnet | Probably a dumb question...I know how to configure a package I have normally (./configure.py --cl-inc-dir=${AMDAPPSDKROOT}include --cl-lib-dir=${AMDAPPSDKROOT}lib/x86_64, then make, then sudo make install), but how do I do this to the same program that has been installed from the repos? |
| 22:08.05 | iridos | puff, ah, right... it's 2>&1 ... that's where the 2 comes from... and makes everything even harder to read |
| 22:08.29 | puff | Dangit, dunno why but gnome-terminal's not letting me scroll back to select all of the output for cut & paste (which is why I was redirecting into a file before). |
| 22:08.43 | puff | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/iyUca0bJ |
| 22:09.04 | lolnet | Shift+PgUp/Dn, and/or your scrollback limit being too small? |
| 22:09.46 | iridos | puff, I don't think you ever need stderr for that, though... so "aptitude install something |pastebinit -" is usually sufficient |
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| 22:10.36 | puff | Pastebinit looks neat, okay, installing that. |
| 22:10.55 | iridos | except that you can't right now |
| 22:10.56 | nkuttler | puff: well the problem seems to be chown: invalid group: `root:messagebus' |
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| 22:11.03 | puff | Dunno about scrollback being too small, it was set to 5000-odd, but I jus tupped it and now it appears to be working, so. |
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| 22:11.33 | iridos | nkuttler, I wondered... about that... are all the other errors followup-errors on that? |
| 22:11.54 | nkuttler | i didn't read past the first error |
| 22:12.06 | iridos | puff, the reason for that error seems to be that there's no group "messagebus" |
| 22:12.18 | nkuttler | which sounds like a bug |
| 22:12.40 | nkuttler | are you on testing/sid? |
| 22:13.16 | iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.19 | Craigwd_2000 | Should I be concerned about the fact that the KDE 4 currently in Wheezy & Squeeze sometimes fail to recognize my HP laptop's Synaptics Touch Pad...? I've also noticed that some but not all distros ship with the extra Snyaptiks KDE 4 Control Panel applet but that not all of them do... Additionally I used the AMD64 version of CloneZilla 1.2.8-28 to clone all of my data while my PC laptop wouldn't boot due to GRUB 2 failing to ins |
| 22:14.20 | Craigwd_2000 | correctly but now I can't even mount the external FireWire OWC 320 GB Neptune volume in either Windows or Linux...; nor do I have a clue what CloneZilla used for its File System when formatting it... |
| 22:15.46 | puff | nkuttler: No, squeeze. |
| 22:15.47 | puff | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3e379b6b/ |
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| 22:16.36 | nkuttler | puff: why did you paste the same error again? |
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| 22:17.30 | larrikin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538 this is huge .. trying to deal with it atm.. |
| 22:17.31 | puff | nkuttler: I didn't. |
| 22:18.13 | puff | nkuttler: I re-ran the command, both under apt-get and under aptitude, made a fresh capture using cut 'n paste instead of redirect, and pasted that. |
| 22:18.48 | Black_Prince | puff, addgroup --system messagebus |
| 22:18.52 | Black_Prince | what does it say? |
| 22:19.32 | Craigwd_2000 | I keep getting that weird error at Log-In saying that my pointing device: i.e.: my Synaptics Touch Pad isn't supported correctly but it's very intermittent & it doesn't happen every single time... |
| 22:20.11 | CyL | Hi, I'm getting the following error message while booting my system "blkfront: xvdc: empty write barrier op failed blkfront: xvdc: barriers disabled". What does this means? |
| 22:20.26 | puff | Black_Prince: Ugh, it says "this ssh connection is really slow and laggy". |
| 22:20.40 | puff | Black_Prince: Waiting for ssh to catch up with me... |
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| 22:20.47 | puff | Feels like 1989 all over again. |
| 22:21.21 | iridos | dunno... watching news, I sometimes think it's 1984 |
| 22:21.36 | puff | nkuttler: Btw, cat /etc/apt/sources.list -- > deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian squeeze main |
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| 22:24.41 | iridos | ha, pure open source... no wussy contrib non-free |
| 22:24.55 | iridos | no security.debian.org either, though |
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| 22:28.43 | MadRush | anyone have experience in dual monitor setups? |
| 22:28.58 | stockholm | i use it |
| 22:29.50 | MadRush | one card with two outputs? or two cards |
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| 22:30.41 | stockholm | notebook with external monitor |
| 22:31.03 | stockholm | earlier i used two cards at some point |
| 22:31.13 | stockholm | that was ~10 years ago |
| 22:31.21 | stockholm | back when it was cool |
| 22:31.31 | puff | iridos: It's a virtual instance a friend set up for me on his (I think) xen server. |
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| 22:31.54 | puff | stockholm: These days the cool thing is a dock with two monitor-outs. |
| 22:32.18 | stockholm | then you had three screens |
| 22:32.32 | puff | Black_Prince: Okay, addgroup resulted in: Adding group `messagebus' (GID 105) ... \nDone |
| 22:32.38 | iridos | stockholm, oh right... cool... it's amazing how much heat those damn newish graphics cards produce |
| 22:32.59 | iridos | puff, well, then your problem should now be gone |
| 22:33.08 | iridos | I just wonder how you got there in the first place |
| 22:33.12 | Black_Prince | puff, dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:33.23 | puff | iridos: Bleeding edge of the art graphics cards consume more than the rest of the PC put together |
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| 22:33.43 | puff | iridos: Yeah, it installed emacs without a hitch. |
| 22:33.56 | puff | Black_Prince: No output from sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:33.59 | MadRush | stockholm: i've never tried to get it going before. when you use two cards, can it be done so its one desktop spanned across the two? |
| 22:34.14 | Black_Prince | puff, apt-get -f install |
| 22:34.29 | stockholm | MadRush: yes, that is the easy setup |
| 22:34.38 | puff | MadRush: What I *really* want is to use virtual desktops with multiple monitors, so when I undock my other monitors are just on a different virtual desktop. |
| 22:34.48 | stockholm | its much harder to have seperate desktopbs |
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| 22:35.06 | puff | Black_Prince: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 28 not upgraded. |
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| 22:35.19 | Black_Prince | puff, it looks like it's done |
| 22:35.28 | puff | Yay |
| 22:35.39 | puff | iridos, v12, Black_Prince: Many thanks. |
| 22:35.40 | MadRush | oh ok. Im not sure how to search for a howto on this subject. what would you put into google? |
| 22:35.41 | Black_Prince | puff, I'd suggest you add security repository if you are using stable. There are lot of security updates there. |
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| 22:35.57 | puff | Black_Prince: Yeah, will talk with my friend who's running the xen server about that. |
| 22:36.19 | Black_Prince | There is also security update for dbus which caused you problems. |
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| 22:37.34 | iridos | ok... really time for bed |
| 22:37.45 | iridos | gn |
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| 22:43.33 | gimpy1302 | Can anyone reccomend a screen magnifier for Debian Squeeze LXDE? |
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| 22:45.02 | Black_Prince | gimpy1302, maybe orca (tough it is gnome app) |
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| 22:47.00 | K4k | Anyone here use olive news reader? I was wondering if someone could help clarify the error "You must properly define a link command..." I've specified my web browser in the options menu but I'm still getting the error. |
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| 22:49.40 | gimpy1302 | How do you see what file are included in a package? I installed gnome-mag but I can't find the binary. |
| 22:50.01 | puff | Hm, should /etc/group and /etc/gshadow match perfectly? |
| 22:50.16 | puff | Merging in entries from the old box and I'm seeing that on the old box, they don't match up. |
| 22:50.26 | puff | gimpy1302: sudo dpkg -l packagename |
| 22:50.49 | puff | gimpy1302: Sorry, that's sudo dpkg -L packagename |
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| 22:50.50 | Black_Prince | anyways, /usr/bin/mangifier |
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| 22:51.08 | puff | gimpy1302: Also, for the reverse, the apt-file package is handy, tells you what package a given file belongs to. |
| 22:51.41 | claw | i moved a module to /lib/modules/kernel*VER*/kernel/... |
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| 22:51.57 | claw | but now when unsing insmod it is not been found |
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| 22:52.13 | claw | do i have to update anything for that |
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| 22:52.29 | claw | the module is a .ko files which is not installed nativly |
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| 22:56.04 | gimpy1302 | now I feel stupid...I can't find the audio manager in LXDE. |
| 22:56.51 | Black_Prince | gimpy1302, try installing alsamixer-gui ... |
| 22:57.04 | Craigwd_2000 | I've found out that while I never see the pointing device error while running Squeeze's AMD64 2.6.32-5 Xen specific Kernel it happens occasionally when booting into the default Wheezy Kernel: i.e.: 2.6.39-2-amd64...; just not every single time... So for that reason alone since it's intermittent & all that I'd say it's not very reproducible. What I am seeing however though is that after installation finished & I rebooted into Sq |
| 22:57.04 | Craigwd_2000 | I decided to install the kde-full meta-package just to make sure that I really actually had all of KDE 4.6.3 installed (though I wish Krusader were part of that meta-package...) I noticed right away that Kamera wasn't in my K-Menu & adding the more tradition Plasma K-Menu widget didn't fix that either... I even tried telling both apt-get & aptitude to install kamera...; they both claimed it's already installed. The real weirdne |
| 22:57.04 | Craigwd_2000 | though came when I attempted to start Kamera from a Konsole Bash shell prompt window Bash claimed it couldn't even find kamera despite the fact that aptitude & apt-get told me that it was already installed. I really need to import some photos & I'd prefer to use Kamera since I've never used it before & I've been itching to test it out lately... :) Any suggestions for what I might try next...? |
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| 22:57.15 | bps | try being less wordy |
| 22:57.40 | Craigwd_2000 | Sorry: I guess I just had a lot to say... |
| 22:58.04 | Black_Prince | judd file bin/kamera |
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| 22:58.08 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 22:59.46 | Black_Prince | Strange thing is, it does not have a binary. It is loaded as qt module via some app ... |
| 22:59.56 | themill | kamera is a library not an app |
| 23:01.05 | craigevil | Description: digital camera support for KDE applications |
| 23:01.44 | themill | Craigwd_2000: if you're importing photos, are you sure you don't want digikam? |
| 23:01.54 | themill | ,info digikam |
| 23:01.55 | judd | Package digikam (graphics, optional) in squeeze/i386: digital photo management application for KDE. Version: 2:1.2.0-7; Size: 5316.0k; Installed: 13208k; Homepage: http://www.digikam.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/digikam |
| 23:02.21 | Black_Prince | or type camera:/ in file browser (konqueror?) |
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| 23:03.59 | gimpy1302 | Anyone ever gotten HDMI audio to work in Squeeze? Mine's not even showing up as an audio device in aplay...nvidia gf210 |
| 23:04.38 | Craigwd_2000 | Themill: I honestly don't know. For starters I had to hack /etc/modules to get my J-Micron 5-in-1 Card Reader working & sudo modprobe the freshly created module so I'm going the cableless route which may entail needing slightly different instructions... Would somebody then mind telling me why inserting my digital Camera's 1 GB FAT32 SanDisk SD Card didn't activate either Kamera or digikam...? |
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| 23:06.02 | themill | You'd probably need to configure that for the SD card. SD cards are used in things other than cameras. (plug in a camera and it will offer to start up digikam for you) |
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| 23:07.16 | Black_Prince | gimpy1302, you can try using backported kernel. |
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| 23:09.12 | Craigwd_2000 | Forgive me but I'm very used to various versions of iPhoto on OS X where it always auto-activates... So what part of KDE 4's Prefs. controls the auto-insert & auto-mounting stuff for external FireWire HDs & just about any USB or Flash Memory or other Mass Storage device connected via either a USB or FireWire to SCSI converter/adapter & are they even supported yet: i.e.: very well if at all...? |
| 23:09.47 | Zopieux | i've created a system user but actually I want it to be a normal user, how can I change that? |
| 23:09.57 | cafuego | that stuff has worked on Linux for aslong as it's worked on Macs. |
| 23:10.04 | cafuego | I just can't help you with KDE though |
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| 23:10.20 | craigevil | Craigwd_2000, systemsettings>removable devices |
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| 23:11.30 | gimpy1302 | Black_Prince: I wouldn''t even know where to start with that. I found some information on getting HDMI audio on this exact card to work, but aplay does't even show it as an audio device. |
| 23:12.33 | Craigwd_2000 | Craigevil: thanks & before I forget is there a way to get back the Snyaptiks KDE 4 Control Panel Settings applet...? I seem to remember that it offered extra options & more fine-grained controls when compared with the pointing devices/mouse section of KDE 4's Prefs... |
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| 23:12.46 | Craigwd_2000 | Synaptiks* |
| 23:12.47 | Black_Prince | dpkg tell gimpy1302 about debian-backports |
| 23:12.56 | Black_Prince | dpkg tell gimpy1302 about bdo kerel |
| 23:13.10 | Black_Prince | dpkg tell gimpy1302 about bdo kernel |
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| 23:15.04 | Black_Prince | Also, if you are using 3rd party drivers, it would be wise to install headers for that kernel, too |
| 23:15.56 | craigevil | Craigwd_2000, try gsynaptics, if you are on sid its called gpointing-device-settings |
| 23:17.01 | gimpy1302 | Black_Prince: Yea, I added the repo and I'm trying to figure out what to do next. I searched for 'kernel' but I can't tell what's different. |
| 23:17.43 | Black_Prince | take a look again at second message from dpkg |
| 23:18.10 | Black_Prince | also, don't forget to run apt-get/aptitude update after adding the repo |
| 23:18.23 | gimpy1302 | Black_Prince: Yea, linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686, but how do I know that is the latest? |
| 23:18.51 | Black_Prince | It is latest in stable+backports |
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| 23:19.29 | gimpy1302 | Black_Prince: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686" |
| 23:19.46 | Black_Prince | judd kernels |
| 23:19.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (3.0.0~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 23:20.01 | Black_Prince | gimpy1302, have you ran apt-get update after adding the repo? |
| 23:20.29 | gimpy1302 | Black_Prince: Yup. I;ve spent many ytears in ubuntu, this is my first debian box. |
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| 23:23.14 | gimpy1302 | The system had see the HDMI audio device but just isn't using it. |
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| 23:24.43 | Black_Prince | gimpy1302, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1668737 |
| 23:25.39 | gimpy1302 | "If you do not see a nvidia sound device you need to upgrade to a properly patched alsa 1.0.23 or 2.6.35+ kernel" Hmm...sound like time to compile the latest alsa. |
| 23:26.11 | Black_Prince | gimpy1302, 2.6.38 is backports kernel ... It includes alsa 1.0.23 |
| 23:26.33 | gimpy1302 | ok |
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| 23:27.18 | Black_Prince | gimpy1302, also there is alsa source 1.0.23 which can be installed with module assistant |
| 23:28.20 | gimpy1302 | Black_Prince: No idea what module assistant is. |
| 23:28.45 | Black_Prince | !m-a |
| 23:28.45 | dpkg | module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages - from Debian module source packages - and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
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| 23:31.18 | gimpy1302 | How do I get the alsa source to use with ma? Is it different than a normal source tarball? |
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| 23:32.03 | zafer | i am using lenny |
| 23:32.04 | Black_Prince | alsa-source is package. Install it with apt-get/aptitude |
| 23:32.16 | zafer | i want to upgrade to squeeze |
| 23:32.34 | Black_Prince | dpkg tell zafer about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:32.52 | zafer | but it wants cd always |
| 23:33.25 | Black_Prince | comment out cdrom: line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:33.52 | zafer | i did it |
| 23:34.05 | zafer | but i cannot change it |
| 23:34.19 | Black_Prince | You need to edit it as root user |
| 23:34.29 | zafer | co not overwrite to file |
| 23:34.46 | zafer | yes i did |
| 23:35.22 | zafer | i am not on debian right now |
| 23:35.57 | zafer | i will be online on debian 10 min later |
| 23:36.16 | zafer | see you 10 in ten min |
| 23:36.33 | CyL | How do I check the version of a package on the backports? |
| 23:37.12 | Black_Prince | CyL, apt-cache policy packagename |
| 23:37.30 | CyL | Black_Prince: thanks |
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| 23:38.03 | CyL | Black_Prince: there isn't an interface on dpkg for that? |
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| 23:38.28 | Black_Prince | excuse me? |
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| 23:39.00 | Black_Prince | apt is tool for installing packages from various sources including removable media, online repositories etc |
| 23:39.15 | CyL | Black_Prince: I haven't the backports enabled, and I would like only to enable them if the package I want is in a more recent version than the stable one. Maybe I could just ask dpkg |
| 23:39.29 | CyL | Black_Prince: Sorry, I meant dpkg the bot |
| 23:39.38 | Black_Prince | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.38 | tarski | so id like to move from ubuntu to debian, is there anything major i should look out for, manual config files i need to set up, etc |
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| 23:39.46 | CyL | Black_Prince: thanks |
| 23:40.19 | themill | CyL: except you'd use the bot "judd" not "dpkg" for that |
| 23:40.38 | Black_Prince | ehm |
| 23:40.53 | Black_Prince | sorry, my bad :-| |
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| 23:41.13 | CyL | Lol, I was already asking dpkg for help, thanks |
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| 23:44.20 | cheche | Hi i have a philips dvd-player that support divx. I want to rip dvd to divx can i use xvid instead? |
| 23:45.09 | gimpy1302 | Black_Prince: The sound card shows up in aplay now, still no sound yet though. |
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| 23:45.14 | gnarface | cheater: i have one of those too. actually it will "work" in the sense that it will play it back as divx file, but the picture will look all weird and corrupted |
| 23:45.19 | muratt | hi |
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| 23:45.41 | Germen | hola gente |
| 23:45.41 | muratt | hi black prince |
| 23:45.48 | muratt | i am on debian right now |
| 23:46.01 | gnarface | cheater: xvid unfortunately is only superficially compatible with divx. its actual look requires a xvid decoder to look correct, a divx decoder will decode it, but it will look all bizarre and squiggly |
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| 23:46.12 | Germen | me regalaaron una netbook con linux debian y necesito una ayuda |
| 23:46.12 | Black_Prince | murrat: Did you remember factoid? |
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| 23:46.18 | Germen | alguien? |
| 23:46.27 | muratt | i dont |
| 23:46.31 | nkuttler | !tell Germen about es |
| 23:46.39 | Black_Prince | gimpy1302, there is a guide for setting it up. It is for ubuntu, but it can be used in debian ... |
| 23:46.45 | cheche | gnarface: so how can i convert to divx using dvd:rip? |
| 23:46.46 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:46.50 | Black_Prince | !tell muratt about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:47.07 | gimpy1302 | Black_Prince: XBMC has a guide too, I;m looking at it. |
| 23:47.19 | cheche | Germen: what is the issue? |
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| 23:48.05 | cheche | !tell cheche about es |
| 23:48.10 | gnarface | cheche: sorry i called you cheater. sorry i also don't know the answer to that question. |
| 23:48.23 | cheche | gnarface: nah no worries |
| 23:48.33 | muratt | i cant change sources list |
| 23:48.46 | Black_Prince | muratt, you need to be root. |
| 23:49.20 | blackshirt | murrat: or sudo |
| 23:49.21 | cheche | gnarface: you asked one of myy questions hurra! .-) |
| 23:49.46 | Black_Prince | sudo is not definitely the debian way :| |
| 23:50.01 | muratt | ok i am root now |
| 23:50.09 | gimpy1302 | I like sudo... |
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| 23:50.56 | dekar | why does debian favor exim instead of postfix? |
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| 23:51.16 | Black_Prince | dpkg tell dekar about why exim |
| 23:51.22 | cheche | dekar: i have been asking that questiong for years... |
| 23:51.26 | dekar | also why does it contain locate by default? I think the IO is annoying |
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| 23:51.51 | cheche | !tell cheche about why exim |
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| 23:53.21 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm looking for a poker game just to play for fun in the repos and i have tried 'holdingnuts' but there are no players online; can anyone suggest any packages from the repos where there would be ppl on the web? |
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| 23:54.36 | dekar | how about not having any mail server by default? |
| 23:55.13 | Black_Prince | It is not mail server, it is mail transport agent. |
| 23:55.17 | cheche | dekar: i am not sure if this is the right place to discuss it. |
| 23:55.22 | omes | paranoidphreak: pokerth |
| 23:55.45 | dekar | Black_Prince, so why would my laptop need it? |
| 23:56.16 | dekar | I feel like the default debian install is bloated |
| 23:56.20 | paranoidphreak | omes: i've tried that one to but still no users |
| 23:56.28 | Black_Prince | dpkg tell dekar about why a mta |
| 23:56.29 | omes | paranoidphreak: there are lots of users there |
| 23:56.49 | omes | dpkg tell omes about why a mta |
| 23:57.09 | Black_Prince | use /msg dpkg factoid, eg /msg dpkg why a mta |
| 23:57.49 | omes | Black_Prince: nice, didn't know/remember about those :) |
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| 23:57.57 | omes | Black_Prince: any way to get a list of them? |
| 23:58.36 | Black_Prince | dpkg tell omes about search dpkg |
| 23:58.51 | paranoidphreak | omes: thanks.....i'll look into it; currently, i connect to #pokerth-lobby-debian and no users in that channel |
| 23:58.57 | omes | paranoidphreak: seems there's something wrong with pokerth at the moment |
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| 23:59.48 | paranoidphreak | omes: oh k.....i'll wait a while |
