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| 00:01.47 | nsadmin | nothing to help |
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| 00:07.31 | lotus-blade | ok this is something new since I installed the nvidia driver. ** (gdm3:14704): WARNING **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.DisplayManager ** (gdm3:14704): WARNING **: Could not acquire name; bailing out |
| 00:07.41 | lotus-blade | is this a permisions thing? |
| 00:09.13 | nevyn | it's a dbus thing |
| 00:09.16 | nevyn | I think |
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| 00:19.25 | ksx4system | anybody who understands iptables? |
| 00:19.25 | ksx4system | i'm trying to make *working* nat with passing any traffic to any direction (no filtering, just nat) |
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| 00:21.23 | epsilon | that isnt hard... whats your interface to lan? |
| 00:21.47 | ksx4system | eth1 = internet, eth0 = lan |
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| 00:22.29 | epsilon | not ppp0? |
| 00:22.33 | Kevin` | tharkun: it looks like the problem is related to ata over ethernet (wtf?) |
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| 00:23.02 | Kevin` | tharkun: or maybe I messed up something when creating the filesystem |
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| 00:24.02 | ksx4system | epsilon: no. both cards are ethernet interfaces but because of some non-related to topic issues eth1 must be connected to internet and eth0 to lan |
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| 00:27.37 | epsilon | ksx4system: http://paste.debian.net/121640/ |
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| 00:28.29 | epsilon | that should do as minimum config, all traffic to all hosts allowed |
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| 00:31.48 | DanDare | Hello. Im using 'tcpdump > file.log' instead of -w argument. I can lose registering packets doing so? Asking because it seems that tcpdump works on buffers before sending data to output. Is this correct ? |
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| 00:32.26 | philipballew | i cant start the apps im trying to download by typing their mane in the comand line |
| 00:32.49 | Kevin` | DanDare: doing that won't record all of the data in a packet, since it isn't displayed on the screen |
| 00:32.50 | DanDare | I mean, by killing it like 'kill -9'. And using the -w when I kill it -9 I can still lose data ? |
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| 00:33.21 | DanDare | Kevin`, the exact command im doing is 'tcpdump -X -s0 -i eth0 > file.log' |
| 00:33.59 | DanDare | Despite what tcpdump show I lose displayed data bacause of buffering ? |
| 00:34.31 | ksx4system | epsilon: thanks but i still can't ping any host from the internet from machine behind this nat |
| 00:34.37 | ksx4system | (dns server is correct of course) |
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| 00:40.45 | aidalgol | What are the "-32 bit counterparts" for the Debian packages listed here? http://wiki.winehq.org/Recommended_Packages |
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| 00:44.00 | epsilon | ksx4system: run tcpdump on the NAT-mashine, see if ping is passing by at etho and eth1 |
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| 00:45.24 | GuySoft | hi all, is there a way to compile only a specific kernel from the linux-source package? |
| 00:46.11 | nyov | GuySoft: you mean with a different patch level? |
| 00:46.24 | ksx4system | epsilon: running tcpdump without any args. nothing at output |
| 00:46.44 | GuySoft | nyov, yes, i basically want to patch a module there and load that |
| 00:47.22 | epsilon | ksx4system: run with args, listen on specific interface and trace the package: is it coming in, is it going out. Do yo get reply from internet, does it route back. |
| 00:47.22 | GuySoft | nyov, i have the current kernel config, and i dont want to re-compile the kernel all the time when patching |
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| 00:49.28 | nyov | GuySoft: look at make-kpkg --targets |
| 00:49.46 | nyov | GuySoft: you probably want 'modules' ? |
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| 00:50.22 | ksx4system | epsilon: i'm not familiar with this app (and i don't want to waste next few hours). however i think that packets don't pass through interfaces. i can ping machine with nat, i can ping from nat machine to client (and from nat machine to internet) but i can't ping from client to internet |
| 00:50.33 | ksx4system | i get "network unreachable" errors |
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| 00:51.21 | GuySoft | nyov, yes, however i dont want it to reompile all os the modules all the time, just one |
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| 00:51.37 | Bushmills | ksx4system: you may have to enable ip forwarding |
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| 00:52.00 | roccon | hello |
| 00:52.12 | roccon | not a debian question, but maybe someone in her knows it |
| 00:52.33 | Bushmills | roccon: why would anyone tell you if it's not a debian question? |
| 00:53.37 | roccon | when i want to use sed to replace every occurence of ':' in /etc/passwd with ' ' - how would i do that? sed 's/:/ /' /etc/passwd only replaces the first occurence of the colon in each line |
| 00:53.44 | nyov | GuySoft: make-kpkg modules --added-modules foo |
| 00:53.50 | roccon | Bushmills: because the /etc/passwd is somehow debian related ;) |
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| 00:54.27 | nyov | GuySoft: err, the other way around |
| 00:54.46 | ksx4system | Bushmills: already enabled. everything double or even triple checked, it's perfect. the only issue it iptables stupid syntax :( |
| 00:54.46 | Bushmills | append a "g" |
| 00:54.53 | nyov | GuySoft: make-kpkg --added-modules foo modules |
| 00:54.57 | themill | sed 's/:/ /g' /etc/passwd; but I'm not sure why you'd want it.... |
| 00:55.38 | roccon | Bushmills: thank you so much! i just forgot it... |
| 00:55.41 | roccon | Bushmills: thx! |
| 00:56.10 | Bushmills | ksx4system: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/masq |
| 00:56.48 | epsilon | ksx4system: is your route correct? route -n |
| 00:57.59 | epsilon | and tcpdump ist easy, just tcpdump -i eth0, then start pinging. Make sure nothing else is causing traffic, otherwise you have to ilter |
| 00:58.02 | epsilon | *filter |
| 00:58.44 | epsilon | you have to learn how to deal with these basic tools, it's essential if you want to run safe NAT |
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| 00:59.45 | ksx4system | epsilon: route on nat machine? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a105f753/ |
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| 01:01.01 | epsilon | ksx4system: is that mashine able to ping host in internet? |
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| 01:01.57 | ksx4system | epsilon: yes, of course. but clients behind its nat can't (network unreachable error) |
| 01:03.38 | epsilon | then use tcpdump where the package get stuck... tcpdump, as said. You have to locate where the misconfiguration is |
| 01:04.10 | epsilon | trust me, I run a lot NAT and that's how I'm debugging all the time |
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| 01:13.45 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to persuade the "top" command to widen its "USER" column to reveal all of a long user's name? |
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| 01:16.24 | somiaj | kingsley: would using ps to look at that process be acceptable? |
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| 01:17.07 | kingsley | somiaj: Thank you for your polite suggestion. |
| 01:17.31 | kingsley | somiaj: ps might work, but when I tried "ps aux" the process was not reported. |
| 01:17.50 | kingsley | I suspect I'm looking at malicious code that tries to hide. |
| 01:17.55 | Bushmills | kingsley: try htop |
| 01:17.57 | gruuu | ps -e |
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| 01:20.12 | somiaj | kingsley: ps faux |
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| 01:20.15 | gruuu | ps auxw perhaps? |
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| 01:20.32 | kingsley | Bushmills: Unfortunately, htop isn't installed. |
| 01:21.23 | Bushmills | some would know how to deal with that situation |
| 01:21.24 | kingsley | gruuu: I'm happy to report that "ps -e" showed the suspect process. Here's the big but. But, it didn't report the suspect processes user name. |
| 01:22.17 | kingsley | somiaj: Unfortunately, "ps faux" didn't report the suspect process. |
| 01:22.43 | nyov | ps -eu ? |
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| 01:23.05 | kingsley | somiaj: Unfortunately, "ps auxw" didn't report the suspect process either. |
| 01:23.07 | nyov | probably not :P |
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| 01:23.46 | kingsley | nyov: Yes, you're correct. "ps -eu" didn't reveal the suspect process. |
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| 01:23.52 | nyov | kingsley: ps -e u |
| 01:24.56 | kingsley | nyov: Unfortunately, "ps -e u" didn't reveal the suspect process either. |
| 01:25.08 | nyov | huh |
| 01:25.40 | gruuu | and we fail the guessing game. for now. |
| 01:25.48 | nyov | indeed |
| 01:26.32 | kingsley | wonders if the processes' user name may be in /proc ... |
| 01:26.50 | gruuu | rests his head in his palms |
| 01:26.58 | kingsley | tries to install the "htop" package... |
| 01:27.12 | gruuu | does the process leave a pid file? |
| 01:27.17 | nyov | kingsley: you have the pid? |
| 01:27.55 | kingsley | nyov: Yes, indeed I do have it's PID. |
| 01:28.24 | kingsley | gruuu: I don't know, but if you can tell me where to look for a PID file, I'll check. |
| 01:28.40 | gruuu | I would test this myself, sshing into my box with my phone. But it restarted for windoze updates while I'm away. :( |
| 01:28.59 | gruuu | by box i mean VM with debian |
| 01:30.22 | nyov | kingsley: so is it in /proc/<pid> ? |
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| 01:31.09 | kingsley | nyov: I'll check after the "htop" is done installing. |
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| 01:31.23 | kingsley | nyov: It's slow. |
| 01:31.30 | thepro4ever | i installed firefox and somehow all of my book marks in ice weasel are gone........ |
| 01:31.37 | thepro4ever | anyone have ideas how to recover them? |
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| 01:35.04 | kingsley | opened a second ssh connection to the slow system. |
| 01:35.49 | somiaj | thepro4ever: look around your home dir, something like .firefox, .mozilla, and you'll have a profile string and in that dir will be a bookmarks file |
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| 01:36.10 | somiaj | thepro4ever: that is the bookmarks file wasn't just erased, but if its hiding in an old profile setting poke around your home dir |
| 01:36.17 | kingsley | I'm happy to report that the "ls -l /proc/<PID> revealed the process's user name. |
| 01:36.52 | somiaj | kingsley: (: |
| 01:36.56 | karlpinc | kingsley: Where? I'm poking around in one one and don't see it. |
| 01:37.55 | philipballew | can someone help me. my install of cmus on my cli wont open when i type "cmus" without the qoutes |
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| 01:39.32 | kingsley | karlpinc: The "top" command reported the first few letters of the USER, which, at least in my case, happens to match the files' owner reported by "ls -l". |
| 01:40.41 | karlpinc | philipballew: You installed the cmus package from the debian repos using apt? |
| 01:41.03 | philipballew | karlpinc, apt-get install cmus |
| 01:41.17 | philipballew | i might add im running a ppc version of debian |
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| 01:41.35 | karlpinc | kingsley: Humm. I see. I suppose owner makes sense. (I've always found /proc somewhat mysterious, but then have never bothered to try to rtfm.) |
| 01:41.41 | philipballew | karlpinc, then i type cmus and mo music player appears |
| 01:41.58 | karlpinc | philipballew: If the package installs I'd think it's supposed to work. |
| 01:42.03 | nyov | karlpinc: you can get the Uid from /proc/<pid>/status |
| 01:42.21 | philipballew | karlpinc, how can i tell if it installed:) |
| 01:42.24 | karlpinc | philipballew: "which cmus" returns something useful? |
| 01:42.47 | philipballew | cmus says bash command not found or something |
| 01:42.54 | philipballew | karlpinc, |
| 01:43.24 | karlpinc | philipballew: What does 'aptitude search cmus' say? Is the first char on the line 'i'? |
| 01:43.39 | kingsley | Bushmills: FYI: I installed the "htop" package, ran it, and am happy to report that it associates a different command with the suspect process than top. |
| 01:44.05 | kingsley | Bushmills: htop's command is definitely new and useful info. |
| 01:44.15 | Bushmills | not sure why that would make you happy |
| 01:44.46 | philipballew | karlpinc, aptitude install cmus says its gonna install it again |
| 01:45.09 | karlpinc | philipballew: very odd |
| 01:45.24 | philipballew | karlpinc, i will try to install it again |
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| 01:46.07 | karlpinc | philipballew: I suppose it can't hurt. But something sounds broken, unless you just ignored some problem when first installing. It's always worth trying to figure out what's broken so it does not bite you again, and get worse. |
| 01:46.38 | philipballew | karlpinc, i wonder if the install was broken. i just installed last week |
| 01:47.19 | philipballew | karlpinc, odd. it worked... |
| 01:47.21 | kingsley | Bushmills: I'm happy because ps only reported the command was "perl", but htop says "/usr/bin/atd", which as I'm sure you can readily appreciate, is much more specific and useful. |
| 01:47.23 | philipballew | good though |
| 01:47.25 | philipballew | haha |
| 01:47.33 | karlpinc | philipballew: Sounds hard to break. |
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| 01:47.46 | sherl0ck | trying to set the resolution of my console ( not X.org), (using grub2, squeeze, openvz) - i set the lin GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768 - grub starts at the resolution, but once it switches over to boot, and the text scrolls, its back down to 640x480 - ideas???? |
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| 01:50.59 | somiaj | sherl0ck: look into framebuffers |
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| 01:51.29 | somiaj | sherl0ck: they will allow you to set the consoles to different resolutions -- I thought they were enabled by default on the newer kernels though (they were on mine) |
| 01:51.42 | Bushmills | kingsley: hm.. you possibly want to press F5 for tree view and look at parents and child |
| 01:52.01 | kingsley | Bushmills: OK. |
| 01:52.23 | kingsley | Bushmills: Do you happen to know how to log or otherwise save htop's screen to a file? |
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| 01:54.14 | Bushmills | as text? no idea |
| 01:55.13 | kingsley | Yes, as text. |
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| 01:56.59 | kingsley | The plot thickens! |
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| 01:57.52 | kingsley | The command reported by "htop" for the suspect process is "/usr/bin/atd", but, there's no file by that name! |
| 01:58.55 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:00.22 | kingsley | Bushmills: Yes, I'm familair with /usr/sbin/atd, but, htop said /usr/bin/atd, and, the "at" package is not installed. |
| 02:01.00 | kingsley | s/familair/familiar/ |
| 02:02.02 | Black_Prince | kingsley, do you have it's pid? |
| 02:02.16 | kingsley | Black_Prince: Indeed I do. |
| 02:02.22 | Bushmills | real atd would show under sbin: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1309572102408073847d.png |
| 02:02.29 | Black_Prince | check /proc/<pidhere>/cmdline |
| 02:02.48 | Black_Prince | # which atd |
| 02:02.48 | Black_Prince | /usr/sbin/atd |
| 02:02.55 | Black_Prince | (I have at package installed) |
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| 02:03.20 | sherl0ck | having trouble disabling ipv6 squeeze, i tried /etc/modprobe.d/00local.conf and adding it to grub - it still shows up in ifconfig - idea? |
| 02:03.34 | Black_Prince | sherl0ck, squeeze or lenny? |
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| 02:04.09 | kingsley | Black_Prince: cat /proc/<PID>/cmdline also reports "/usr/bin/atd". |
| 02:05.04 | nyov | sherl0ck: put "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1" in /etc/sysctl.conf and run "sysctl -p" |
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| 02:05.21 | kingsley | "which atd" reported nothing, but it seems to me that it was a clever idea. |
| 02:05.24 | Black_Prince | kingsley, and ls -l /proc/pid/exe |
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| 02:06.37 | Tramp | sherl0ck: what's your /proc/cmdline ? |
| 02:07.07 | kingsley | Black_Prince: Very nice. I'm happy to report that "ls -l /proc/pid/exe" says "/proc/7503/exe -> /usr/bin/perl". |
| 02:07.23 | Black_Prince | It is a perl script ... Alright |
| 02:07.50 | kingsley | Black_Prince: Thank you. |
| 02:08.11 | kingsley | Black_Prince: Do you happen to know how to see the script? |
| 02:08.35 | Black_Prince | kingsley, I guess no |
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| 02:12.29 | nyov | kingsley: what open files does it have? lsof -p <pid> |
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| 02:13.19 | nyov | kingsley: maybe you can figure out the nature of it with this |
| 02:13.20 | kingsley | nyov: That's a clever suggestion. I've typed it, and am waiting for an answer.. |
| 02:14.10 | nyov | kingsley: wow, slow box :P is that normal? |
| 02:14.47 | kingsley | nyov: It's a small virtual machine, with a few perl processes hogging it's "cpu". |
| 02:15.13 | Black_Prince | kingsley, maybe /proc/pid/cwd can give you the location of perl script |
| 02:15.25 | kingsley | nyov: I have the output of lsof -p. |
| 02:16.17 | Black_Prince | kingsley, share it with us ... use pastebin |
| 02:16.18 | nyov | kingsley: maybe look for IP sockets |
| 02:16.34 | Bushmills | htop has l for showing open files of a process |
| 02:18.20 | kingsley | I pasted the output of "lsof -p" at http://pastebin.com/SZbssA31 |
| 02:18.48 | Black_Prince | kingsley, ls -la /tmp |
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| 02:19.59 | kingsley | Black_Prince: For once, you're right again. |
| 02:20.45 | kingsley | Black_Prince: /proc/<PID> is linked to /tmp |
| 02:21.04 | Black_Prince | er? |
| 02:21.26 | Black_Prince | paste output of the command above |
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| 02:25.27 | kingsley | The interesting lines from "ls -la /tmp" are pasted at http://pastebin.com/sd8700KL |
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| 02:25.31 | ksx4system | again, anybody knows WORKING and USABLE nat with iptables solution? |
| 02:25.49 | ksx4system | 6+ hours wasted without any results, this is just crazy |
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| 02:26.23 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, what is so hard on nat? |
| 02:26.40 | Black_Prince | kingsley, do file /tmp/filesyoupastedinpastebin |
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| 02:27.29 | nyov | found the perl script yet? |
| 02:28.15 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, eth0 is connected to internet and eth1 to another pc http://pastebin.com/ifyyFjCP ... Also uncommenting net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf is required. |
| 02:28.46 | nyov | kingsley: maybe make a vm snapshot, so you can analyze all the juicy details later |
| 02:29.06 | somiaj | ksx4system: did you enable ipfrowarding? /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward? |
| 02:29.16 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, also from /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/qgV1ABp5 |
| 02:29.25 | somiaj | ksx4system: beyond that you really only need to set a few rules to get nat to work with iptables |
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| 02:30.41 | kingsley | Black_Prince: The interesting directories and file are all empty. |
| 02:31.24 | Black_Prince | kingsley, do find /tmp -type f -exec file '{}' ';' | grep script |
| 02:31.24 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: done, rebooting. |
| 02:31.43 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, kernel modules loaded http://pastebin.com/chzWbwmW |
| 02:32.06 | ksx4system | somiaj: i had working ruleset and working Debian instance to do this http://www.cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/install.html but hdd failed and i must make it again :( |
| 02:34.26 | kingsley | Black_Prince: You find suggestion seems clever to me. Unfortunately, it found nothing. |
| 02:34.49 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: it's even worse now. client machine can't even obtain IP address |
| 02:35.16 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, dhcp? |
| 02:35.32 | ksx4system | didn't change config, dhcp-based |
| 02:35.35 | nyov | kingsley: I think he meant 'file' to identify what filetype those hidden files are |
| 02:35.49 | nyov | kingsley: nvm, missed the find |
| 02:36.10 | Black_Prince | remove | grep script after in command above, and run it again |
| 02:37.09 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, so you are using dhcp on the computer your machine is connected to? |
| 02:37.50 | ksx4system | right. but i probably misconfigured something on /etc/network/interfaces... i'll see if it works now |
| 02:39.14 | ksx4system | ok. i can get IP address. but when i try to ping something from internet (for example 8.8.8.8) i get error "connect: Network is unreachable" |
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| 02:39.47 | nevyn | ksx4system: do you have a gateway configured? |
| 02:39.56 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, where did you ran iptables commands? on computer with dpcp server or that one? |
| 02:40.04 | ksx4system | nevyn: i'm not sure. |
| 02:40.17 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: on machine with DHCP server. |
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| 02:40.36 | Black_Prince | (DHCP can be pain in the ass to configure) |
| 02:40.39 | kingsley | Black_Prince: I've done as you asked, and run "find" again, but without piping it into grep. It was worth a try, but nothing of interest was reported. |
| 02:40.51 | Black_Prince | kingsley, paste everything |
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| 02:41.13 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: but I have working dhcp config. as mentioned here http://www.cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/install.html |
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| 02:41.55 | hlieberman | How can you disable gpg checking for a specific repository? |
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| 02:42.44 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, so paste your /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf and /etc/network/interfaces (censor any sensitive information) |
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| 02:44.31 | ksx4system | http://paste.debian.net/121642/ |
| 02:45.34 | nyov | kingsley: strace -vvp $pid -o /tmp/$pid.out & |
| 02:46.02 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: http://paste.debian.net/121642/ |
| 02:46.03 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, broadcast 192.168.0.255 looks wrong, should be broadcast 192.168.1.255 |
| 02:46.17 | nyov | kingsley: then watch /tmp/$pid.out |
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| 02:47.20 | gruuu | kingsley: aka tail /tmp$pid.out |
| 02:48.10 | kingsley | nyov: I like your suggestion of looking at strace's output. I'm installing it. |
| 02:48.34 | nyov | yeah i didn't mean watch as in using 'watch', sorry |
| 02:48.36 | stew | kingsley: just get rid of network and broadcast. they can be calculated for you |
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| 02:48.39 | stew | ksx4system: ^^^ |
| 02:48.45 | stew | kingsley: (sorry, not you :) ) |
| 02:49.23 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: i still get "network is unreachable" error on client machine |
| 02:49.26 | ksx4system | stew: ? |
| 02:49.37 | kingsley | For what it's worth, someone on #perl suggested attaching gdb to the process, load perl debugger, and then deparse. |
| 02:49.44 | stew | ksx4system: you should not specify either "broadcast" nor "network" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:49.50 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, what does ' cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ' say (without the quotes) |
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| 02:50.07 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, on the server machine |
| 02:50.16 | nyov | kingsley: might be faster |
| 02:50.20 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: 1 |
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| 02:51.02 | nyov | kingsley: i was hoping strace would reveal the script location |
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| 02:51.44 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, try running these http://pastebin.com/DjGdSf4V |
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| 02:52.55 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: i have a script which launches these |
| 02:53.19 | Black_Prince | Are those same ones? |
| 02:53.33 | Black_Prince | What does iptables -S say ? |
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| 02:54.37 | ksx4system | http://pastebin.com/xBNLf5ZH <--- my script http://pastebin.com/tZBxhz0s <--- iptables -S |
| 02:55.23 | Black_Prince | looks pretty much the same |
| 02:55.59 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, are you running stock kernel or custom one? |
| 02:56.05 | alkisg | Hi, I'd like to use debian/lxde on a PC with nvidia MX 4000, but the nvidia-96 package is only supported up to squeeze on debian, while ubuntu has that package in all of its series... any idea why, or if there will be a wheezy package for nvidia-96 in the future? |
| 02:56.32 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: stock one of course. it's temporary setup so i'm trying to keep it as simple as possible |
| 02:57.12 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, what does route on client machine say? |
| 02:57.18 | Black_Prince | default line only |
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| 02:58.27 | ksx4system | @Black_Prince: 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:58.44 | Black_Prince | default 192.168.1.20 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:58.49 | Black_Prince | is there one like this? |
| 02:58.53 | ksx4system | exactly |
| 02:59.11 | ksx4system | only line I posted |
| 02:59.19 | Black_Prince | You have only one line? |
| 02:59.22 | ksx4system | right |
| 02:59.25 | Black_Prince | ouch |
| 02:59.38 | Black_Prince | Your dhcp server is misconfigured (not setting gateway) |
| 02:59.56 | Black_Prince | try this on client pc route add default gw 192.168.1.1 def eth0 |
| 03:00.30 | Black_Prince | not def, but dev |
| 03:00.45 | Black_Prince | oh man, 5AM ... I should be long in bed |
| 03:00.55 | ksx4system | it'll not do, client PC is only for testing. on actual machine (cobalt server) i'll not be able to type anything like this |
| 03:01.10 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, just try that one |
| 03:01.14 | ksx4system | ok |
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| 03:02.01 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: it displays me... route command help |
| 03:02.20 | ksx4system | ouch, dev* |
| 03:02.23 | ksx4system | one more time |
| 03:02.51 | ksx4system | hell yeah, i'm able to ping google |
| 03:03.00 | ksx4system | and my own site |
| 03:03.08 | Black_Prince | Ok, we are going to change dhcpd.conf a bit |
| 03:03.55 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, delete any lines after option domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8; in your /etc/dhcp/dpchd.conf |
| 03:04.08 | Black_Prince | including that one |
| 03:04.28 | ksx4system | done |
| 03:06.09 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: only that? |
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| 03:06.29 | Black_Prince | ksx4system, add those to your /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf http://pastebin.com/7BMt8RLa and restart dhcp server with invoke-rc.d isc-dhcp-server restart |
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| 03:10.36 | ksx4system | Black_Prince: thank you so much! it works :) |
| 03:11.28 | Black_Prince | you welcome .. (I told you that dhcp was pain in the ass) |
| 03:11.39 | Black_Prince | first time i spend too 6-7 hours :/ |
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| 03:24.34 | kingsley | nyov: The output of strace is at http://pastebin.com/qR7BXWhQ |
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| 03:27.48 | nyov | kingsley: could be some irc bot, guessing from the port it wants to connect to. |
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| 03:40.04 | kingsley | nyov: You may be interested to know that "netstat -vep" revealed that the IRC connection has a "PID/Program name" of "-". |
| 03:40.46 | kingsley | nyov: I do not know what "-" means for sure, but I associate it with standard input from a pipe. |
| 03:40.48 | wols_ | kingsley: were you root? |
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| 03:41.13 | kingsley | wols_: If I understand you correctly, I ran netstat as root. |
| 03:42.01 | wols_ | kingsley: it usually means "you are not allowed to see who has this connection open" |
| 03:42.08 | wols_ | not stdin in this case |
| 03:42.20 | kingsley | wols_: That's interesting. |
| 03:42.52 | kingsley | The "-" happens to be associated with a perl script that, at least at the moment, looks malicious to me. |
| 03:43.28 | wols_ | so what does netstat say about the username which has this port open? |
| 03:43.54 | kingsley | wols_: Debian-exim |
| 03:44.10 | kingsley | I just attached gdb to one of the suspect perl processes. |
| 03:44.24 | wols_ | not exactly a debian sanctioned username |
| 03:44.36 | kingsley | gdb found no debugging symbols. |
| 03:44.48 | kingsley | Imagine my surprise (not). |
| 03:45.14 | wols_ | a perl script never has symbols, at most the perl process has but of course debian packages are stripped |
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| 03:46.26 | kingsley | wols_: For what it's worth, I see that a user named "Debian-exim" exists in /etc/passwd on another system that also uses exim for simple mail transport. |
| 03:46.32 | nyov | aptitude install perl-debug |
| 03:47.03 | nyov | Debian-exim is the official exim username iirc |
| 03:47.40 | wols_ | strange. my postfix only has "postfix", nothign else |
| 03:47.42 | nyov | kingsley: which could mean it got in through your mailer |
| 03:47.48 | kingsley | nyov: Isn't perl_debug only for people who have perl source code readily available in a file? |
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| 03:48.25 | nyov | kingsley: true, that would debug your opened perl libs |
| 03:48.33 | wols_ | kingsley: since it connects to a irc server, have you tried sniffing the connection? |
| 03:48.55 | kingsley | wols_: Yet another clever suggestion. |
| 03:49.03 | nyov | it can't connect, from the strace. so nothing to be gained? |
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| 03:50.01 | kingsley | wols_: I haven't tried it, and I see that the process has libcrypt open, so it may not work, but it's worth a shot. |
| 03:50.50 | DammitJim | is there a debian tutorial on how to set up a samba server for squeeze? |
| 03:51.31 | kingsley | What gdb commands would you use to extract useful info from a running perl process? |
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| 03:52.21 | nyov | what could be fun is, hooking it up with a fake irc server and see what happens D; |
| 03:52.27 | wols_ | DammitJim: don't know of any debian specific tutorial. why has it to be debian specific? the smb.conf is the same across all distros |
| 03:52.35 | Lymee | When I try to tab-complete on "_" I get a bunch of stuff like "_ssh", etc. |
| 03:52.46 | Lymee | All of them appear to be broken shell scripts, and none of them show up when I try which. |
| 03:52.49 | Lymee | What's going on? |
| 03:53.05 | stew | Lymee: in zsh? |
| 03:53.08 | Lymee | bash. |
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| 03:54.18 | nyov | kingsley: might want to ask the perl guys |
| 03:54.46 | kingsley | nyov: I'm open to your suggestion, and I find myself wondering how you'd hook up an irc server. |
| 03:55.01 | kingsley | nyov: Yes, I'm on #perl now. |
| 03:55.06 | Rusty1 | DammitJim: http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/1524-standalone-samba-in-debian-squeeze comes up with a bit a GIYF |
| 03:55.38 | nyov | kingsley: no real idea on the irc server part |
| 03:56.46 | yardleydobon | In Gnome under Places I have two items "53 GB Filesystem" (which is the size of the windows partition) and "windows". Before I edited fstab to mount my windows partition in /media/windows only the "53 GB Filesystem" was available and required the root password to mount when clicked. Now when I click "53 GB Filesystem" it opens the windows partition, however the "windows" option under places gives an error when I click it. "Mount |
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| 03:59.27 | kingsley | How would you reveal what the checksum of a certain file in a certain package should be? |
| 04:00.51 | stew | kingsley: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.md5sums |
| 04:01.01 | nyov | debsums |
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| 04:02.48 | nyov | oh right, debsums will only check I think |
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| 04:04.59 | Xgates | hey guys |
| 04:05.00 | Xgates | hey guys if anyone is into video editing, needing an app for softsubs I just found out the developer of AVIAddXSubs might make a Linux version, but he's looking for donations to start it; http://www.calcitapp.com/AVIAddXSubs.php Spread the word guys if you are into this, I would really like to see a Linux version... |
| 04:06.58 | TimmyT | i've installed cpufreqd on my laptop, but its daemon can't be started. |
| 04:07.55 | wols_ | TimmyT: why do you need a daemon for this? |
| 04:08.38 | TimmyT | wols_: to control the cpu freq scaling |
| 04:08.59 | wols_ | control in what way? |
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| 04:09.31 | TimmyT | wols_: the way a cpufreq utility must do, what do you mean? |
| 04:09.33 | wols_ | you do know that the linux kernel does this automatically now and that there is cpufrequtils? |
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| 04:10.50 | TimmyT | wols_: but why it is on theperformance governer and even i try to change it to the ondemand mode, it will not |
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| 04:11.34 | wols_ | have you tried cpufrequtils? and btw: /etc/init.d/cpufreqd |
| 04:12.26 | nyov | /etc/default/cpufreqd ? |
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| 04:13.58 | Isil`Zha | hello. i have trouble with my mail server. i'm getting this message from my email client (kmail): "Filesystem notification initialization error -- contact your mail administrator (check for configuration errors with the FAM/Gamin library)". searching the internet, i found that apparently everyone but me managed to solve this by installing 'gamin'. unfortunately though, installing gamin does not help me. i'm on 'squeeze' |
| 04:14.50 | Isil`Zha | if this is a courier-only issue and this question is off-topic here: please ignore me |
| 04:15.31 | wols_ | Isil`Zha: gamin isn't needed for courier. is kmail accessing the maildir directly or what? |
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| 04:16.40 | Isil`Zha | wols_: i set it up to use imap |
| 04:17.02 | Isil`Zha | wols_: not sure if that's what you're asking |
| 04:17.20 | TimmyT | wols_: yes, i've installed it .i get the the info by cpufreq-info, but when i try to set this to the ondemand mode, it does not do that |
| 04:17.36 | wols_ | FAM is a library that notifies you when a file in some directory changed. |
| 04:17.50 | wols_ | !tell TimmyT about doesn't work |
| 04:20.25 | Isil`Zha | wols_: yes, and installing gamin actually removed libfam0 and pulled in libgamin0 instead. unfortunately though. the message persists (which it apparently didn't for the others who i found ran into the same issue). according to these other users it doesn't appear to be related to kmail either. other users had the message show up in outlook |
| 04:21.26 | TimmyT | wols_: take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/MJgaRqvs |
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| 04:24.09 | TimmyT | wols_: this what im saying, i say i want to change it from performance to the ondemand, but i can't. |
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| 04:27.20 | TimmyT | wols_: if u r not going to help me, tell me, so i can ask sumwhere else, thnx |
| 04:27.49 | wols_ | TimmyT: you need to read more carefully |
| 04:27.49 | alkisg | Where can I see the contents, or at least get a summary of them, for the fist installation DVD? (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/) |
| 04:28.21 | wols_ | TimmyT: and demanding help is the fastest way not getting it. good day |
| 04:28.23 | alkisg | *first |
| 04:28.45 | wols_ | !tell alkisg about cd content |
| 04:29.11 | alkisg | Thank you wols_ :) |
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| 04:32.40 | balleyne | where can I find my user's avatar image on my hard drive? e.g. when I edit user info, or the image I see on the log in screen, where does Gnome store that file? |
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| 04:32.52 | Some_Person | How well would Debian run on an 800 MHz Pentium 3? |
| 04:32.53 | totient | noob server question: I was looking at a tutorial and it gave instructions for setting up a BIND9 server thingie. Is this useless to me if I'm just tinkering with an old server box I got secondhand? |
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| 04:33.28 | wols_ | Some_Person: pretty well within reason (e.g. flash can be icky probably). most important hardware spec is amount of RAM |
| 04:33.45 | wols_ | totient: most probably. why would it tell you to run a DNS server? |
| 04:33.50 | somiaj | Some_Person: it should run ok provided you use a lightweight desktop, gnome/kde can be a bit big |
| 04:33.51 | Some_Person | 256 MB? |
| 04:34.05 | Some_Person | I have Windows XP on it right now |
| 04:34.09 | wols_ | Some_Person: doable but not with gnome. lxde of xfce |
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| 04:34.39 | alkisg | Some_Person: with a bit of tinkering, I got debian/lxde to work fine (again no flash) on P3/128 RAM. You should be fine with 256. |
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| 04:34.45 | wols_ | lxde or xfce |
| 04:35.01 | Some_Person | What do you mean by "flash"? |
| 04:35.10 | wols_ | adobe flash. youtube videos |
| 04:35.19 | Some_Person | YouTube plays fine with Windows XP on here |
| 04:35.21 | alkisg | Flash requires much CPU, and it's slower in linux than in windows, so... it won't work well |
| 04:35.43 | Some_Person | Well, I'm a heavy YouTube viewer, so I think I'll stick with Windows on this one |
| 04:35.46 | Some_Person | Thank you |
| 04:35.54 | totient | Ty. It didn't really tell me whether I should or not, but it had instructions on how to set it up etc. |
| 04:36.02 | wols_ | generally, you can make debian lighter than your XP post SP2, but it's still an old computer |
| 04:36.25 | Some_Person | It's temporary until the new mobo for my laptop arrives and I get it installed |
| 04:36.28 | Some_Person | long story |
| 04:36.31 | balleyne | Some_Person: most YouTube videos are available without flash now, with http://youtube.com/html5 |
| 04:36.45 | somiaj | Some_Person: youtube-dl can download the vids and then you can play them with a video player |
| 04:36.54 | Some_Person | somiaj: Too annoying |
| 04:37.21 | Some_Person | balleyne: I'm using K-Meleon as my browser as it seems somewhat faster than all the others I've tried. It doesn't support that to my knowledge |
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| 04:37.49 | TimmyT | wols_: :D |
| 04:37.59 | Some_Person | I don't think I'll bother with Debian on here if it needs to be tweaked and everything |
| 04:38.05 | TimmyT | wols_: i've removed cpufreqd and now it's ok |
| 04:38.12 | Some_Person | I shouldn't be using this for more than a few weeks longer at most |
| 04:38.16 | nyov | balleyne: awesome news :) |
| 04:38.19 | TimmyT | wols_: u were right, im stupid |
| 04:38.21 | balleyne | Some_Person: ah, yeah, probably not. So, scratch the FlashVideoReplacer Firefox/IceWeasel add-on I was about to recommend :) |
| 04:39.01 | karlpinc | balleyne: Wrong tense. |
| 04:39.38 | Some_Person | It is somewhat saddening to know I'm using a computer that's less powerful than my phone |
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| 04:39.49 | wols_ | Some_Person: not much tweaking going one. simply using the installer with xfce instead of the one with gnome. nothing more |
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| 04:40.08 | Some_Person | I've read that Xfce is not much more lightweight than GNOME though |
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| 04:40.21 | alkisg | XFCE, not so much. LXDE, yes. |
| 04:40.32 | wols_ | Some_Person: your computer is still more powerfull unless you have a dualcore phone. MHz is useless to determine speed |
| 04:40.42 | Some_Person | true, it is single core |
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| 04:41.11 | gNewPower | Hi -quick question: when wheezy goes from testing to stable, will the repos of testing automatically be upgraded from wheezy to the next one? thanks/ |
| 04:41.20 | wols_ | your phone however uses a fraction of the power when running comparaed to your computer |
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| 04:42.50 | wols_ | gNewPower: no. after the release there will be more or less no testing for a few weeks or month and then eligible packages from sid will get moved to a new testing. since the packages from sid didn't move since the freezing a few months before release, it will be many many packages and often various bugs emerge then |
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| 04:43.45 | Mannequin | hi. What's the recommended way to run a very simple shell script on system start up (or on user's session start up) ? |
| 04:44.05 | wols_ | !tell Mannequin about rc.local |
| 04:44.35 | kingsley | wols_: FYI: I'm now sniffing a suspicious perl process's connection to a server with tcpdump. |
| 04:44.45 | gNewPower | wols - I am a noob at Debian and I installed testing today. I am not sure I understand. What will happen to my sources which currently are pegged to "wheezy" when wheezy goes to stable? will they stay with wheezy? how can I make sure that I stay with the next testing when it comes about? |
| 04:44.54 | wols_ | kingsley: why can't you find the perl script file? |
| 04:45.05 | wols_ | gNewPower: then you will run debian stable |
| 04:45.12 | stew | yikes |
| 04:45.16 | nyov | kingsley: so you got more than one? :o |
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| 04:45.37 | gNewPower | wols_, so I will have to manually change my repos to the next testing then? |
| 04:45.44 | Mannequin | wols_: thanks for the hint, I did a quick research about rc.local and found this |
| 04:45.45 | Mannequin | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html |
| 04:45.54 | nyov | wols_: apparently that's not so easy, could you name a way to find the script name or location from it's pid file? |
| 04:45.57 | Mannequin | "11.6 It looks as if Debian does not use rc.local to customize the boot process; what facilities are provided?" |
| 04:46.16 | stew | gNewPower: you can use "testing" instead of "wheezy" in sources.list if that is what you want |
| 04:46.20 | wols_ | gNewPower: if you want to stay with testing, you need to replace "wheezy" in your sources.list with "testing". but don't do that. run wheezy and upgrade to the next debian testing manually when you are ready and think the problems of creating it have died down |
| 04:46.29 | kingsley | wols_: You ask a very reasonable question, and I suppose that so far, the malicious code's designer's skill at hiding the perl script file has exceeded the skill of #debian and #perl to find it. |
| 04:46.43 | stew | gNewPower: we'd typically discourage a 'noob' from running testing. you're likely to have a bumpy ride there |
| 04:47.00 | wols_ | nyov: /proc/<pid>/cmdline or such? |
| 04:47.13 | nyov | wols_: I tried, no dice |
| 04:47.16 | gNewPower | wols_, stew - thanks guys! |
| 04:47.18 | wols_ | nyov: open files of the pid (or does perl close the source file when it's done compiling?) |
| 04:47.18 | kingsley | wols_: One theory is that the perl script was piped from a remote server, and does not exists as a file. |
| 04:47.44 | nyov | Mannequin: have you looked into /etc/rc.local ? |
| 04:47.49 | kingsley | nyov: Indeed, I have more than one. |
| 04:47.50 | gNewPower | stew I always heard that Debian testing is more stable than the 'stable' of all other distros. So I decided to try it :-) |
| 04:48.11 | wols_ | gNewPower: propaganda |
| 04:48.13 | stew | uh |
| 04:48.16 | nyov | kingsley: yeah though about that too, maybe there is no file |
| 04:48.20 | stew | testing changes twice a day |
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| 04:48.46 | wols_ | stew: I doubt he uses the word "stable" the way debian does, here |
| 04:48.49 | Faust_ | hi all |
| 04:48.53 | gNewPower | well, my repos are on wheezy and I probably should not downgrade them down the stable, right? |
| 04:48.56 | stew | one thing leads to another |
| 04:49.07 | wols_ | gNewPower: you cannot downgrade |
| 04:49.23 | kingsley | wols_: cat /proc/<PID>/cmdline points to a file that doesn't exist. |
| 04:49.25 | nyov | wols_: lsof only lists perl, not the script which it runs |
| 04:49.48 | Faust_ | is there any reason why files and folders should show up in Debian but not when the external USB drive is connected to Windows 7? |
| 04:49.50 | wols_ | nyov: /proc/<pid>/<numbers of open file handles>/ |
| 04:49.54 | gNewPower | wols_, the more reason that I should stay with wheezy I suppose :-) besides, it will get more adn more stable with time, no? |
| 04:50.32 | wols_ | Faust_: windows honors the "hidden" file flag. linux usually doesn't or rather handles .files as hidden |
| 04:50.53 | Faust_ | thanks |
| 04:50.55 | nyov | wols_: you mean /proc/$pid/fd/* ? |
| 04:51.13 | wols_ | gNewPower: no. it will currently get more broken for example since the new features are put in. multiarch support is currently breaking various things and will so in the future |
| 04:51.17 | nyov | no dice there either |
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| 04:51.41 | kingsley | How would you determine the open files' descriptor numbers? |
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| 04:52.03 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to change the system time? |
| 04:52.06 | bocaneri | the shell honours .files as hidden. |
| 04:52.06 | gNewPower | wols_, are you suggesting that I make a full reinstall with stable? |
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| 04:52.43 | nyov | kingsley: in fd/* or in lsof numbers |
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| 04:52.53 | wols_ | gNewPower: if you want to run stable, yes. I don't just suggest, it's the only way to run stable again |
| 04:53.37 | wols_ | rhineheart_m: man date but: it's easier to run ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 04:54.18 | gNewPower | wols_, I guess that I do want to try to run testing and see if I what happens. Hopefully I will learn a couple of things along the way |
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| 04:54.48 | stew | gNewPower: just be aware that you are running a suite which is not intended for end-users, but is intended as a vehicle for the developers to prepare the next stable release, which is not expected to release before at least late summer 2012 |
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| 04:55.52 | gNewPower | stew, fair enough. if I really hurt too much, I will make a full install of stable |
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| 04:57.02 | Mannequin | nyov: thanks for the hint about /etc/rc.local |
| 04:57.13 | epsilon | need regexp help, I have a string "abc-<large htmlcode>" and need matching expression for <large htmlcode> part |
| 04:57.22 | yagoo | anyone knows of a stable plugin/extension(not theme) for firefox (want to make it easy to have grey for body background on all webpages) |
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| 04:57.57 | epsilon | c-[.]*$ doesnt match... |
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| 04:59.10 | kingsley | nyov: cat /proc/$pid/fd/* is silent |
| 04:59.32 | kingsley | nyov: However, tcpdump is reporting traffic. |
| 04:59.32 | wols_ | kingsley: I'd use "ls" |
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| 04:59.53 | nyov | kingsley: ls -l /proc/$pid/fd/ ? |
| 04:59.58 | wols_ | yagoo: you need a user.css IIRC |
| 05:00.16 | kingsley | nyov: Do you happen to know how to coax tcpdump to elicit packet data contents? |
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| 05:02.04 | kingsley | wols_ & nyov:I may owe you an apology for being terse. Your fine suggestions will list the open file descriptors of course. I chose cat * to try to reveal the contents of any data going to or from them. |
| 05:03.05 | wols_ | that obviously won't wokr |
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| 05:03.44 | wols_ | cat can only give you a snapshot. and you wouldn't want to cat the fds 0, 1 and 2 anyways |
| 05:05.21 | kingsley | wols_: For what it's worth, cat-ing the individual file descriptors also revealed nothing. |
| 05:05.23 | kingsley | needs to go soon... |
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| 05:13.58 | nyov | kingsley: maybe the question is, what do you want to accomplish there? |
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| 05:15.05 | kingsley | nyov: You ask a reasonable question. I'd like to find the malicious code, remove it, and avoid re-infection. |
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| 05:17.40 | nyov | fair enough |
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| 05:28.03 | jackl | [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
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| 05:34.35 | nyov | kingsley: checksecurity, chkrootkit, rkhunter can help for files. maybe you want to read on memory forensics. http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Linux_Memory_Analysis |
| 05:35.11 | nyov | kingsley: possibly dump that VM and analyze it offline |
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| 05:36.26 | nyov | kingsley: tools for that could be TSK/sleuthkit,autopsy,backtrack |
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| 05:36.58 | nyov | well bt is rather a suite of tools |
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| 05:43.12 | nyov | uuuh debian has a forensics group? wow nice :D |
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| 05:52.41 | gohdan | nyov: pretty sweet huh? |
| 05:53.25 | gohdan | just wish they'd get that larger selection of packages they have on their alioth page into the repo already |
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| 05:55.55 | nyov | gohdan: this here? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianForensics/TODO |
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| 05:56.50 | gohdan | nyov: guess its not on the alioth page after all. but, yes the TODO page |
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| 06:00.38 | nyov | sad that metsploit is not distributable for debian and apparently doesn't care either |
| 06:00.50 | nyov | would make a nice addition |
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| 06:01.21 | kingsley | How would you find the memory addresses belonging to a certain process in 0x... format so their contents can be examined in gdb? |
| 06:02.09 | nyov | i don't really know, but in /proc/pid/status are some memory addresses |
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| 06:02.55 | nyov | or so I think. uh |
| 06:03.44 | nyov | looking pretty much zero, now that i checked |
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| 06:18.28 | Strav | He. I'm looking for a comprehensive and up-to-date guide about security focused kernel config options if such a thing exists. (I'm aiming for a minimal yet as secure as possible config). Any suggestion? |
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| 06:23.26 | gohdan | Strav: not sure how up to it is but, the hardened gentoo documents cover compilation switches and whatnot |
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| 06:24.05 | gohdan | will probably apply to debian in a general way |
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| 06:24.35 | nyov | gohdan: link? |
| 06:24.51 | nyov | Strav: here is one switch :P http://blogs.computerworld.com/17209/serious_linux_kernel_security_hole |
| 06:26.40 | nyov | Strav: oh you said uptodate. not sure what's hot right now |
| 06:26.49 | gohdan | Strav: nyov http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/ |
| 06:27.56 | gohdan | might be worth the time to peruse their mailing list archives too |
| 06:29.21 | nyov | gohdan: ah I was interested in the switch descriptions |
| 06:29.23 | Strav | thanks :) I'm planning to review each options one by one, but a do-no-miss list would be handy? |
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| 06:31.00 | nyov | it's not the minimal way, but might I recommended reading http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/selinux-vs-apparmor-vs-grsecurity.html |
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| 06:33.41 | Strav | nyov: already read this one... and I actually have a question about this. Of course I'm planning to use grsecurity with pax for all the execution protection in provides but in terms of mac, any thoughts on why should I choose selinux over grsec? |
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| 06:34.37 | Strav | gohdan: btw, thanks for the gentoo article, it seems like a nice intro. |
| 06:36.01 | nyov | Strav: in terms of mac? |
| 06:36.05 | gohdan | Strav: i thought that one was more in depth, but i apparently dont have enough coffee in me to dig up the verbose one |
| 06:36.54 | nyov | Strav: i'd choose grsec again |
| 06:37.30 | Strav | nyov: for what reason? simplicity? |
| 06:37.58 | nyov | Strav: mostly, yes |
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| 06:40.34 | Strav | forgive me for asking such an obvious question but isn't there a wiki concerned about debian server's best security practices? I feel it would be interesting to find in such a place some refined (debian specific) services configs to make them as secure as possible, etc. |
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| 06:42.40 | nyov | Strav: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 06:42.41 | gohdan | Strav: maybe these are the droids you are looking for? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 06:42.45 | nyov | :P |
| 06:42.49 | gohdan | hivemind |
| 06:42.54 | home-alone | hi....I am never able to install media codecs . what is the easiest way to install them...??? |
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| 06:44.17 | nyov | home-alone: what codecs do you need then? |
| 06:44.58 | home-alone | which could play flv , avi ,mp4 etc files |
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| 06:46.44 | Strav | gohdan: exactly, and it looks extensive enough. nice. I guess a more strict review of contributions than a wiki is in order for such doc. |
| 06:47.09 | gohdan | home-alone: 'vlc' can do that but their builtin, internal codecs lag somewhat behind the alternatives |
| 06:47.22 | nyov | home-alone: not sure about mp4, but the rest should work with installing a player |
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| 06:49.34 | gohdan | home-alone: for instance, their rm/ra codecs are atrocious |
| 06:49.47 | nyov | I still have w64codecs from dmm installed, not sure what's current practice |
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| 06:52.16 | nyov | http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs still mentions w32codecs, but I can't find it in the package list on dmm |
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| 06:53.53 | gohdan | while on the subject, i am trying to stream audio with mplayer and capture the output at the same time. any idea what im doing wrong? the second lines just capture but not play. http://pastebin.com/nTcPJ81m |
| 06:54.25 | gohdan | my workaround right now is to open two seperate streams, which is not the desired result |
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| 06:55.05 | wols_ | gohdan: afaik vlc can do that |
| 06:56.11 | nyov | should be possible with some pipe-work too. hmmm |
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| 06:56.47 | dwep | i can't seem to be able to get the hdmi sound working, i've un-muted ati r6xx hdmi in alsamixer and checked the box iec958 i the sound settings |
| 06:56.52 | dwep | what to do? :> |
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| 07:01.03 | kla | hdmi support for the same hardware seems very sloppy to me |
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| 07:01.58 | kla | dwep, perhaps you'll have to write custom alsa configs for it |
| 07:02.07 | dwep | kind of annoying, actually, especially since my speakers are located in the other side of the room |
| 07:02.11 | kla | or maybe try to disable any other sound devices from your bios |
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| 07:02.52 | dwep | kla: maybe, i haven't tried that, tried to mute the other sound devices but that didn't seem to do the trick |
| 07:04.01 | kla | dwep, none of these solutions are ideal but they're worth the shot |
| 07:04.29 | dwep | but to each and every time reboot and disable other sound devices via bios when wanting to watch something on the tv ... well, yeah |
| 07:06.00 | kla | even when you do manage to get it working some applications seem to have an exclusive 'lock' on the hdmi and other apps won't work or you'd have to wait for a while |
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| 07:08.37 | gohdan | Strav: this might be worth a listen too http://twit.tv/floss156 |
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| 07:24.35 | JaMeSiTeGeN | Anyone here know how to get qemu to use dual-core? |
| 07:24.41 | JaMeSiTeGeN | ahh, two cores.. |
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| 07:27.03 | Serjs | Ho everyone |
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| 07:27.18 | Serjs | I have a question about UUID for my partitions on debian |
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| 07:27.45 | Serjs | it's unchengable for /dev/sda* even i delete partiton and create it againg? |
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| 07:28.09 | wols_ | not unchangeable. but why would you want to change it? |
| 07:28.21 | Serjs | i try tune2fs -l /dev/md | grep -i uuid and have some UUID |
| 07:28.28 | Serjs | i don't want to change |
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| 07:29.00 | wols_ | uuid can change btw, easily |
| 07:29.03 | Serjs | i have a raid and i vant to install grub to both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb if one of hdd go down i have a worked grub |
| 07:29.06 | gohdan | wols_: vlc seems to exhibit the same behavior as mplayer. captures but does not play the output simultaneously |
| 07:29.21 | Serjs | my raid is 0 |
| 07:29.29 | Serjs | ohh now, my raid is 1 sorry) |
| 07:29.33 | tuv | i must say, 2.6.32 was the last good kernel. 2.6.38 and 39 are causing a lot of wifi issues. i have to reboot every day or two now. even modprobe -r won't fix it (iwlagn) |
| 07:30.04 | ledoktre | Hello. I am getting a fair number of errors on the console ( info task apache2 blocked for more than 120 seconds ). Been trying to google it, but it seems to affect a number of 64 bit kernels. Any suggestions? |
| 07:30.07 | SpeedyG | hm, where does squeeze hide it's xorg.conf (or does it not even use it?) |
| 07:30.15 | wols_ | Serjs: that is tricky. cause grub needs to have different data to boot from sdb vs. sda |
| 07:30.20 | ledoktre | The error causes the server to freeze up 3-4 times a day |
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| 07:30.59 | wols_ | SpeedyG: there is no xorg.conf. hasn't been uesd since lenny or so. you can create one if you must and it will be used |
| 07:31.11 | SpeedyG | wols_: ah ok, thanks |
| 07:31.30 | SpeedyG | fidling with the root of all evil in his linux history.... nvidia drivers .. |
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| 07:32.07 | wols_ | SpeedyG: are you using the drivers from debian or from nvidia.com? |
| 07:32.13 | Serjs | I don't want to loose grub when any of my disks go down, especially /dev/sda :) now my grub config to boot from md0 and it has own UUID |
| 07:32.30 | tuv | SpeedyG: you probably need to create a minimal xorg.conf to enable nvidia drivers |
| 07:33.00 | SpeedyG | wols_: repository based install as explained on the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries |
| 07:33.03 | wols_ | tuv: not just probably. he has to. but it is done automatically when he installs the .deb for the nvidia drivers debian provides |
| 07:33.10 | wols_ | IIRC |
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| 07:34.23 | tuv | wols_: since when? it didn't happen to me last i installed (automatic xorg.conf) |
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| 07:35.23 | tuv | 2.6.{38,39} are driving me crazy with their iwlagn problems |
| 07:35.33 | wols_ | tuv: works fine here |
| 07:35.50 | wols_ | tuv: my rememberance of nvidia drivers was wrong :( |
| 07:36.16 | tuv | my dmesg is full of: |
| 07:36.17 | tuv | [ 6385.824523] iwlagn 0000:02:00.0: Aggregation not enabled for tid 0 because load = 2 |
| 07:36.21 | tuv | [ 6439.596153] iwlagn 0000:02:00.0: iwlagn_tx_agg_start on ra = 00:26:f2:f4:30:c1 tid = 0 |
| 07:36.59 | tuv | i heard .11g works fine and only .11n is problematic |
| 07:37.11 | wols_ | ah. only using g here |
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| 07:37.34 | tuv | it doesn't make sense though. up until 2.6.32, wifi was freaking solid |
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| 07:40.53 | adam___ | Is there some reason why will be some inode error on my pendrive, or why kernel wont find the root partition when i restart the system? im running squeeze of my 8gb kingston travelmate |
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| 07:42.42 | SpeedyG | tuv: that did the trick, now everything works :> |
| 07:43.00 | tuv | SpeedyG: great |
| 07:43.48 | tuv | nvidia remains an eternal irc'ers making machine |
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| 08:24.18 | shirish | hi all, does anybody know how to search which files installed in your/one's section is from non-free ? |
| 08:26.35 | petemc | shirish: vrms |
| 08:27.51 | shirish | petemc: ah , guessing there is a package called vrms - think it is virtual richard m. stallman |
| 08:29.05 | shirish | petemc: thank you |
| 08:29.10 | shirish | signing out. |
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| 08:51.25 | totte | Hey folks, I'm looking for a simple and graceful way to display a static HTML page when I shut down Apache for maintenance on a website. Does anyone have an idea as to how I could do that? |
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| 08:52.17 | jw013 | if it's static won't any web broswer work? |
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| 08:53.32 | totte | jw013: Sorry, what? I mean, display a simple HTML page that just says "Website down for maintenance, try again in a minute!". |
| 08:54.21 | jw013 | totte: oh sorry I misunderstood. That's not my area of expertise but you'll probably need a backup web server or something |
| 08:54.35 | valdyn | totte: question is why you would be capable of running a website but not of serving a static page on a webserver |
| 08:54.54 | valdyn | totte: ( without asking ), which piece are you really missing? |
| 08:55.08 | llutz | totte: when shutting down apache, run "while true; do nc -l -p 80 -q 1 < yourpage.html; done" |
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| 08:56.14 | totte | Yeah I assume I'd have to have a second server to display that page since Apache isn't running... |
| 08:56.40 | valdyn | totte: why would apache not be running? |
| 08:56.53 | jw013 | he's taking it down for maintenance |
| 08:57.02 | jw013 | and wants a temp page up in the meantime |
| 08:57.07 | valdyn | jw013: that doesnt mean apache isnt running |
| 08:57.46 | totte | valdyn: In case I need to change virtual hosts and stuff - don't I need to restart it? |
| 08:58.02 | jw013 | what does "shut down for maintenance" mean then? |
| 08:58.03 | valdyn | totte: apache can maintain multiple sites in debians setup, you can a2dissite <main site> and a2ensite <main page> |
| 08:58.37 | totte | valdyn: Yeah but don't I have to restart Apache when changing settings? |
| 08:58.46 | valdyn | totte: restarting only takes 1 second |
| 08:58.48 | peterrooney | totte: IIRC, there should be a reload option |
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| 09:00.39 | valdyn | totte: you should have 2 apaches, one for testing, one for deployment |
| 09:01.27 | totte | llutz: Thanks, having a look at that. :) |
| 09:02.02 | totte | I realized that now, I used a LAMP stack previously on my laptop and it always took a minute for Apache to restart there. |
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| 09:10.39 | totte | Alright I thought about it and I don't really need to restart Apache after all, I'll just a2dissite mysite and a2ensite maintenancesite since it's just the specific website I need to disable. Thanks for your help. :) |
| 09:13.00 | fossala | What you you guys say is faster? diskless over nfs (gigabit network, zfs freebsd) or USB? |
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| 09:17.16 | alkisg | fossala: diskless over nfs |
| 09:17.45 | alkisg | (for a single client :)) |
| 09:17.47 | xingu | fossala: usb3? |
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| 09:25.28 | catman | hi |
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| 09:25.50 | catman | i wanna configure keyboard shortcut with gnome |
| 09:26.05 | catman | like : super+w => iceweasel |
| 09:26.18 | catman | or super+g => gedit |
| 09:26.27 | catman | etc |
| 09:26.53 | catman | I use Debian 6 |
| 09:27.32 | catman | where can i configure it ? |
| 09:27.51 | catman | i'm stupid... |
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| 09:28.05 | catman | just preference menu... |
| 09:28.09 | catman | sorry all |
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| 09:48.34 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 09:49.04 | lancelot_of | which architecture should i use for installing debian on intel i5-2520M? |
| 09:49.18 | lancelot_of | amd64 or ia64 |
| 09:49.19 | lancelot_of | ? |
| 09:50.15 | DerPate | lancelot_of it's an x64 prozessor you should use amd64 |
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| 09:52.37 | dym | When im on a Manpage and search a term with / - how do i jump to the next hit? |
| 09:52.55 | acemi | n |
| 09:52.59 | dym | thanks |
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| 09:56.28 | Fudge | is 6.0.1 stable and 6.0.2 testing? |
| 09:56.41 | macrobat | N for the previous |
| 09:56.43 | macrobat | Fudge: no |
| 09:56.47 | DerPate | Fudge no both are stable |
| 09:56.52 | Fudge | im bit confused |
| 09:57.00 | acemi | minor update |
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| 09:57.12 | DerPate | it's just a updatet version of the stable debian squeez |
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| 09:57.49 | Fudge | okey |
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| 10:06.30 | pwerpwerwer | how to get this in one php? <?php echo $product_name ?><?php echo" informatie"; ?> |
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| 10:08.30 | ansgar | pwerpwerwer: `<?php echo $product_name ?> informatie' |
| 10:08.59 | lancelot_of | DerPate, thank you bye |
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| 10:17.58 | Fudge | um i just went to try make install and make is not found, is that normal? |
| 10:18.04 | file-exists-p | I have the same sshd on two debian boxes, the exact same /etc/ssh/sshd_config, the same /root/.ssh/* files (including privileges and ownerships) and I can log in without password using ssh-agent on one, and not the other! |
| 10:18.06 | file-exists-p | wtf |
| 10:18.23 | file-exists-p | I have been trying to fix that for 2h |
| 10:19.14 | file-exists-p | seriously, I am going to send one of the server through the window |
| 10:19.24 | file-exists-p | throw even |
| 10:19.56 | macrobat | Fudge: install build-essential |
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| 10:21.36 | neoice | where can I go to get help with Linux `tc` ? |
| 10:23.00 | poisonbit | #Netfilter 136 Netfilter, Xtables/iptables, Networkin in general, and perhaps tc at times |
| 10:23.22 | poisonbit | or maybe here if you have look on who reads you |
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| 10:23.30 | poisonbit | luck |
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| 11:01.03 | rypervenche | I just updated my libgl1-mesa-glx and it made me remove my nvidia-glx, so X cannot start anymore. How can I reinstall the old package I was using? The deb should still be in my archives. |
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| 11:01.47 | macrobat | rypervenche: are yo using that libgl1-mesa-glx? |
| 11:01.56 | macrobat | s,yo,you |
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| 11:04.50 | rypervenche | Yes, it is apparently needed |
| 11:05.11 | rypervenche | One solution is to use libgl1-mesa-swx11, but that still doesn't allow me to use nvidia-glx anymore. |
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| 11:15.55 | Human-Bean | http://www.ciao.co.uk/Productinformation/Fujitsu_Siemens_AMILO_L6825_C_2_8_GHz_15_TFT__6851849 |
| 11:16.20 | Human-Bean | I am looking for the best type of debian to run on this system. THanks! I like kde btw. |
| 11:17.48 | abrotman | Human-Bean: doens't seem to be 64bit? |
| 11:18.13 | daemonkeeper | There is just "one" Debian anyhow. |
| 11:18.31 | abrotman | Human-Bean: get the i386 netinst |
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| 11:19.05 | daemonkeeper | Since it supports at most 2GiB there is (virtually) no point to use AMD64 anyway, even if it were supported. |
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| 11:26.26 | jaggz1 | how do dns lookups work if the server is djbdns/dbndns? I'm asking because the docs say tinydns only responds with its own data -- what if this nameserver is to perform other lookups too? that is, it serves my domains, globally, and I also have to do general lookups like normal as well. Do I just put 127.0.0.1 \n external_dns_ip in resolv.conf? |
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| 11:31.59 | jaggz1 | oh.. dnscache is the actual ns.. ok.. |
| 11:32.21 | jaggz1 | I mean.. the daemon which does the other lookups.. n/m |
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| 11:46.23 | Human-Bean | Thanks abrotman and daemonkeeper! One of the reasons I asked is because ubuntu will not intall at all and I am sick of their lack of quality. |
| 11:46.44 | daemonkeeper | What's the reason, Ubuntu is failing? |
| 11:46.45 | abrotman | hopefully not a hardware issue ... |
| 11:46.50 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: #ubuntu? |
| 11:47.16 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Well, not really. I was curious what problem Ubuntu had, chances are Debian has as well then. |
| 11:47.29 | abrotman | not really |
| 11:48.43 | abrotman | different kernel, different package versions, different distro quality |
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| 11:50.20 | daemonkeeper | Still 75% of the packages are the same. I admit the kernel is different though. |
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| 11:50.43 | Human-Bean | daemonkeeper: to be more acureate 11.04 kubuntu is failing. Reasons, VLC does not work, Amaroc is also broken. The kde panel comes up in the middle of the screen at boot etc |
| 11:50.54 | daemonkeeper | ehm |
| 11:51.01 | gary_golden | Is there a way to setup umask for an user using PAM? I mean to all activities, not only when bash sources .bash_profile |
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| 11:51.12 | Human-Bean | and the network is broken to and must be restarted each time. |
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| 11:51.21 | daemonkeeper | Nothing sounds like an installer issue, but feel free to try Debian :) |
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| 11:52.26 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: see! |
| 11:52.41 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Indeed. |
| 11:52.57 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: though, yeah, not an 'install' issue :) |
| 11:53.03 | poisonbit | gary_golden, see EXAMPLES on man 8 pam_umask |
| 11:54.03 | gary_golden | poisonbit: thanks |
| 11:54.12 | Human-Bean | daemonkeeper: Ah, that was on my main system. On the laptop it just goes dark and I have to turn it off on install. |
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| 11:54.46 | Human-Bean | daemonkeeper: in case your thinking hardware, I installed vector linux without problems. |
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| 11:56.55 | daemonkeeper | Human-Bean: Well, just try out Debian and you will see if it works for you |
| 11:57.28 | Human-Bean | daemonkeeper: so 6.0? |
| 11:57.31 | ompaul | then you could have linux for a human being ... ohh the irony |
| 11:57.34 | daemonkeeper | Human-Bean: Yep |
| 11:57.53 | Human-Bean | Ubuntu was good up until about 2 years ago. |
| 11:58.07 | Human-Bean | kde version that is |
| 11:58.15 | nevyn | ubuntu was never good and completely lost the plot more recently |
| 11:58.28 | abrotman | Human-Bean: also note, if you choose "Desktop" it will install gnome, you can change this later |
| 11:58.39 | Human-Bean | thank god! |
| 11:58.49 | abrotman | Human-Bean: alternately, you can skip the "Desktop" task, and use the command line to install what you want later |
| 11:59.07 | abrotman | !install kde4 |
| 11:59.07 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>. |
| 11:59.13 | Human-Bean | I am not opposed to having a backup gnome. :-) |
| 11:59.13 | abrotman | or apparently you can use the advanced options |
| 11:59.20 | daemonkeeper | abrotman, Human-Bean there is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 11:59.39 | abrotman | yes .. /me still prefers the netinst .. but he might be a bit more experienced ... |
| 12:00.02 | Human-Bean | I have experience enough to love the easy path. |
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| 12:02.10 | ompaul | easy path restricts choice the path of least resistance that is, however if you do a little more work you may (not will always) find that it pays off |
| 12:02.18 | Fudge | abrotman you around? |
| 12:02.29 | abrotman | looks to see if he is round |
| 12:02.34 | Human-Bean | ompaul: I did the gentoo thing. |
| 12:02.43 | Fudge | loL, we spoke the other week about sources and avoiding ppas |
| 12:02.50 | abrotman | sure! |
| 12:03.12 | abrotman | i don't remember the packages you were pulling from the PPA though |
| 12:03.16 | Fudge | I am tryint to add a ppa, but its for our vinux apps like orca-teacher sound-covertor cry for help etc. not stuff to wreck a system, accessible apps |
| 12:03.34 | Fudge | have added the key but still get an error |
| 12:04.02 | Fudge | i can show u if thats important |
| 12:04.19 | abrotman | Fudge: does it show in apt-key list? |
| 12:04.52 | abrotman | and did you run "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" after you added the key? |
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| 12:06.02 | abrotman | *tap* this thing on? |
| 12:06.07 | Fudge | no it doesnt show |
| 12:06.18 | Fudge | yes have updated the sources |
| 12:06.21 | abrotman | so how did you import the key? |
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| 12:07.02 | Fudge | abrotman apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys EF2AFDCF |
| 12:07.26 | abrotman | !apt-key EF2AFDCF |
| 12:07.26 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys EF2AFDCF ; gpg --export EF2AFDCF | sudo apt-key add - |
| 12:07.41 | abrotman | obviously substitute the right keyserver |
| 12:07.52 | Fudge | ooh |
| 12:08.05 | abrotman | i'm not saying your command doesn't work, but i've never used it |
| 12:08.15 | abrotman | not that way |
| 12:08.17 | Fudge | thats kewl, letm read this :) |
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| 12:12.51 | Fudge | !apt-key 16126D3A3E5C1192 |
| 12:12.51 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 16126D3A3E5C1192 ; gpg --export 16126D3A3E5C1192 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 12:13.03 | Fudge | this bots smart |
| 12:14.16 | daemonkeeper | Ain't a bot |
| 12:14.18 | daemonkeeper | Its a human |
| 12:15.14 | ompaul | a very tired human full of good quips which it replies to in a pavlovian way |
| 12:15.22 | Fudge | nthe error exactly abrotman is W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net natty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6AF0E1940624A220 |
| 12:15.24 | ompaul | !bot |
| 12:15.24 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 12:15.45 | Fudge | ahaha |
| 12:15.49 | vlt | Hello. On Debian squeeze I installed the pkgs xserver-xorg and openoffice.org-impress. How to run ooimpress now? Do I need something else? |
| 12:16.14 | abrotman | Fudge: notice that's a different key? |
| 12:16.22 | Fudge | yes |
| 12:16.37 | Fudge | but i thought it was the vinux one, my apolagies |
| 12:16.45 | abrotman | apologies .. |
| 12:17.49 | Fudge | stand corrected :p |
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| 12:24.04 | vlt | When I try to run /usr/bin/ooimpress I get two error msgs: Missing jre and failed to opem display. |
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| 12:25.03 | casts | did you su, or ssh, or similar? |
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| 12:26.42 | apr | hey :) fresh install of debian, and followed some instructions on getting postfix working - it binds to port 25 on all interfaces, but i can not access it from a remote machine |
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| 12:26.53 | apr | how can I double check it's bound on all interfaces?( prety sure it is) |
| 12:26.57 | vlt | casts: Ah, yes ... still running in "screen". But I stell get the jre message. |
| 12:27.00 | apr | and does debian ship with any firewall configuration I need to set first? |
| 12:27.41 | casts | apr: look at netstat output and iptables -L |
| 12:27.58 | vlt | apr: No firewall rules on a fresh Debian. |
| 12:28.14 | apr | iptables are empty, and netstat has *:smtp as LISTEN |
| 12:28.29 | apr | this seems like I should be able to connect right? |
| 12:29.15 | apr | head explode ^_^ |
| 12:29.28 | vlt | apr: Try telnet first |
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| 12:29.41 | apr | i am, it works from the local machine, but not remotely |
| 12:29.47 | Bushmills | apr: "can't access it" - how to you try to? |
| 12:29.57 | apr | telnet / nc |
| 12:30.20 | vlt | apr: ping works? |
| 12:30.34 | Bushmills | how does the problem of not being able to access it manifest? |
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| 12:30.55 | apr | vlt: i think ping is dropped by my network, but i can ssh to the machine |
| 12:30.57 | apr | http://pastebin.com/t6JFA0ih |
| 12:31.25 | Bushmills | 220 kokade.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) - you *can* access it |
| 12:31.35 | apr | Bushmills: yes, from the same machine, i cant access it remotely. |
| 12:31.41 | vlt | apr: In some (edu) networks ONLY ssh is allowed |
| 12:31.52 | apr | no, i can connect to any ports. |
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| 12:32.11 | Bushmills | line 35 shows that you can also connect to it from remote |
| 12:32.24 | apr | Bushmills: that's what I thought, but, that's off of the same machine. |
| 12:32.46 | apr | Bushmills: I get timeout/refused from any other host. |
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| 12:32.55 | Bushmills | ah. very helpful log then |
| 12:33.24 | apr | What logs owuld be more useful? :( i've looked at netstat and it says it's listening, i've looked at iptables -L as above, and they're empty. |
| 12:33.50 | apr | the pastebn just shows that it _is_ listening, and can be connected to locally, and according to netstat it's listening on all addresses? o.O |
| 12:34.01 | Bushmills | well, pasting that in response to a question how the problem manifests isn't that helpful |
| 12:34.14 | vlt | apr: Can you comnect to any other host's port 25? |
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| 12:34.29 | apr | *double checks with a google smtp HELO* |
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| 12:36.18 | apr | eeek |
| 12:36.26 | apr | *hides* what on earth is going on with my network. |
| 12:36.43 | Fudge | !apt-key 1024R/0624A220 |
| 12:36.44 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 1024R/0624A220 ; gpg --export 1024R/0624A220 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 12:36.50 | apr | you're right sry vlt not sure why it's blocking outgoing 25's, never done done this before ty |
| 12:36.55 | apr | i got harrass others. |
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| 12:41.21 | vlt | Any idea why I can't run ooimpress after installing it? Missing dependancy in apt? |
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| 12:49.49 | vlt | It's complaining about missing jre. Do I need to install something else (and why)? |
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| 12:50.47 | babloo | hi all |
| 12:50.58 | babloo | iam new to debian just installed |
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| 12:53.11 | wols | vlt: you might want a jre. /msg dpkg install java |
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| 12:54.09 | vlt | wols: Why isn't it installed automatically from apt? |
| 12:54.31 | wols | no clue. what is the actual error message? |
| 12:55.00 | babloo | need some help to get wifi access |
| 12:55.46 | wols | !tell babloo about ask |
| 12:55.57 | vlt | javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! |
| 12:56.48 | babloo | i have dell inspiron N5010 , installed debian squeeze iam trying to access wifi but unable to do so , what should i do ? |
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| 12:57.29 | wols | find out what wlan chipset you have. lspci -nn shows you |
| 12:58.13 | wols | vlt: but after that message OOo starts, right? |
| 12:58.14 | zapadlo | vlt There are several Java runtimes you can have. Install icetea or sun |
| 12:58.41 | vlt | wols: no |
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| 12:59.26 | vlt | zapadlo: Thanks. Any idea why this isn't solved by apt when installing ooimpress? |
| 13:00.16 | zapadlo | vlt Java isn't a small library, it wouldn't be a good idea to have create dependencies through apt |
| 13:00.50 | babloo | wols: its Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller |
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| 13:01.05 | vlt | zapadlo: hmmm ... ok |
| 13:01.07 | wols | zapadlo: that would be a stupid reason and definitely not the right one |
| 13:01.35 | dvs | babloo: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 13:01.51 | zapadlo | wols Well I don't know then |
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| 13:04.09 | babloo | thankyou dvs |
| 13:04.15 | dvs | np |
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| 13:04.58 | zapadlo | vlt What do you get when you run: 'java -version' |
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| 13:06.07 | vlt | zapadlo: After imstallimg it, IcedTea6 1.8.7 |
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| 13:07.55 | vlt | when I run ooimpress now, nothing happens. Can anyone help me to start it? |
| 13:08.09 | Fudge | debian does not use pulseaudio? |
| 13:08.24 | dvs | !pulseaudio |
| 13:08.24 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:08.37 | wols | vlt: and that's why this wasn't an error. are you trying to run impress from a terminal? |
| 13:08.46 | vlt | I imstalled xserver-xorg already |
| 13:08.59 | wols | vlt: are you in X? |
| 13:09.32 | vlt | wols: Yes, terminal. No rumming X yet. Can you help? |
| 13:09.48 | Fudge | tks |
| 13:09.49 | wols | if you are not running X, how do you plan to run impress? |
| 13:10.20 | vlt | wols: That's my question actually. |
| 13:10.25 | wols | I asked you if you are in X and then you say "Yes, i'm not in X". did you even READ? |
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| 13:11.02 | wols | vlt: "startx" |
| 13:11.07 | negge | does anyone have any experience with fprint and the whole FingerForce project? I'd like to get fingerprint authentication working on my Thinkpad but it seems like only Fedora has complete support for it |
| 13:11.13 | vlt | wols: Yes, but answering slowly ;) |
| 13:12.13 | wols | negge: read up on the thinkwiki about it. and learn why it's utterly stupid to use |
| 13:13.06 | vlt_phone | wols: startx => command not found |
| 13:13.36 | negge | wols: I don't know what you mean with "stupid" |
| 13:14.14 | wols | I mean it's stupid to depend on it for auth. can be faked easily |
| 13:14.22 | wols | !tell vlt_phone about install xorg |
| 13:15.04 | jw013 | i think using something you leave a copy of on everything you touch as an authentication factor is a bit silly |
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| 13:15.40 | wols | esepcially when those fingerprints can then be used to make a mold with something as easily obtainable as gummi bears |
| 13:15.53 | wols | and that's all tha's then needed to fool the sensor |
| 13:16.01 | vlt_phone | wols: Thanks |
| 13:16.13 | negge | wols: I'm not looking for the best possible security, I just think it would be cool and convenient |
| 13:16.37 | wols | trust me it's not. I tried it on windows with my TP. not really convenient |
| 13:16.52 | wols | negge: but as I told you, thinkwiki shows you how to do it |
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| 13:17.17 | negge | wols: they only show how to do it with thinkfinger which is so dead it's not included in Debian anymore |
| 13:17.35 | negge | fprint also seems to be dead |
| 13:18.52 | luxor | hi here |
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| 13:19.14 | wols | ,versions libfprint0 |
| 13:19.15 | judd | Package libfprint0 on i386 -- sid: 20110418git-2; wheezy: 20110418git-2 |
| 13:19.16 | luxor | someone know if allshare from samsung is HD 1080p compatible? or it work only sd ? |
| 13:19.32 | wols | luxor: how is this debian related? |
| 13:19.45 | wols | negge: doesn't look dead to me |
| 13:20.06 | luxor | want to stream from my upnp server on debian |
| 13:20.24 | negge | wols: hmm okay, guess their website is outdated then |
| 13:20.25 | luxor | and want to know if allshare service is hd compatible or not... |
| 13:20.26 | wols | negge: you might have to use the ubuntu PPA linked there.e.g. compile your own .debs |
| 13:20.50 | negge | yeah I'm looking at the PPA right now although I'm not very keen on installing Ubuntu-based stuff |
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| 13:20.58 | wols | luxor: that is no debian quesiton. ask samsung or whoever about their services |
| 13:21.24 | wols | negge: I said build the debs, not just install them |
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| 13:22.20 | negge | wols: I don't really know how to do that off the top of my head but I might look into it |
| 13:22.45 | negge | so basically I should apt-pin the libraries from sid (I'm on stable atm) then try to make a deb for the GUI? |
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| 13:23.24 | wols | no you should not. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:25.03 | negge | wols: nice, thanks, I didn't know you could to that |
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| 13:25.51 | wols | negge: it's basically the same you will need to do for the ubuntu PPA. rule of thumb: NEVER add in a deb... line for another branch of debian in your sources.list. ONLY use deb-src and port |
| 13:26.33 | negge | isn't that whole point of apt-pinning (to add also the deb line)? |
| 13:26.45 | negge | worked for me in the past once you edit the priorities |
| 13:27.02 | wols | yes. and apt-pinning is the quickest way to break your debian |
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| 13:27.11 | wols | !bobbitt |
| 13:27.11 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 13:27.17 | negge | wols: yes one has to be careful of course |
| 13:27.22 | wols | mixing NEVER works in the long run |
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| 13:27.40 | wols | negge: with ssb you have to be a lot less careful and a lot more stuff will work properly |
| 13:27.52 | negge | I've only done it on one machine to get newer versions of Nvidias proprietary drivers to a stable release |
| 13:27.56 | negge | worked like a charm |
| 13:28.06 | negge | wols: what's ssb short for? |
| 13:28.16 | wols | simple sid backport |
| 13:28.22 | negge | okay |
| 13:28.23 | negge | cool |
| 13:28.26 | negge | thanks for the info |
| 13:28.31 | negge | have you tried out fprint yourself? |
| 13:28.52 | negge | I know it comes with a pam module but I'm unsure as to how to get GDM to accept a swipe login |
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| 13:29.02 | negge | or does that work out of the box once the PAM module is there and enabled? |
| 13:29.37 | skilz | im having trouble connecting to my wifi internet, the network name is NETGEAR and the network not invisible, nor is it password protected. I tried 'sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid NETGEAR' with no success |
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| 13:30.14 | negge | skilz: why not use networkManager? |
| 13:30.24 | dvs | skilz: type "lspci -nn" to get the wireless chipset |
| 13:31.04 | skilz | because I want to use Window Maker and Fluxbox and there is no network manager for them that I am aware of |
| 13:31.28 | negge | skilz: okay |
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| 13:32.00 | wols | negge: afaik it then just works. but I haven't tried it under debian. didn't work too well under windows, uses battery -> do not need |
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| 13:33.08 | skilz | dvs, Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0013] (rev 01) |
| 13:33.14 | negge | wols: I think it just sits there and eats battery now as well as the device is detected with lsusb |
| 13:33.27 | negge | haven't bothered disabling it |
| 13:33.43 | skilz | It's actually a dlink wifi card |
| 13:33.44 | Asif | hi everyone....what is the most light-weight Debian based distro....????? |
| 13:33.49 | wols | negge: that's why you disable it in BIOS |
| 13:34.03 | skilz | Asif, Debian? |
| 13:34.25 | negge | wols: perhaps I should |
| 13:34.26 | dvs | skilz: http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 13:34.28 | Asif | even more lighter then debian...??? |
| 13:34.39 | skilz | Asif, Debian Minimal Net Install with Fluxbox and links2 |
| 13:34.55 | wols | skilz: that one just works. if you want something like network manager, you can use wicd it even has a text mode interface with wicd-curses |
| 13:35.00 | skilz | Asif, Unix? |
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| 13:35.32 | wols | Asif: the ONLY "debian based" distro you get support here for is debian itself. nothing else |
| 13:35.36 | wols | !tell Asif about debian based |
| 13:35.44 | Asif | a distro with gui for older pc (debian based) |
| 13:35.52 | wols | Asif: you are OT here |
| 13:36.56 | Asif | ok thank you guyz |
| 13:37.00 | skilz | Asif, what do you mean by 'Debian based distro'? |
| 13:37.12 | skilz | Do you mean shit like Ubuntu? |
| 13:37.56 | skilz | Asif, Just install and old version of Debian |
| 13:38.25 | wols | skilz: that' |
| 13:38.38 | wols | skilz: that's a very very bad advice. don't do this in the future |
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| 13:39.04 | Asif | based on debian but some light DE like lxde or fluxbox . i want a new version btw |
| 13:39.20 | wols | Asif: you can easily install only lxde in debian |
| 13:39.33 | skilz | wols, Why is it bad advice? |
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| 13:40.06 | skilz | wols, What is he owns a 486 or a P1 |
| 13:40.11 | skilz | if* |
| 13:40.22 | wols | skilz: cause old versions of debian are unsupported and therefore ALL contain bugs and security exploits |
| 13:40.25 | vlt_phone | I installed the pkg xorg, ran startx, got an X with a running shell in fullscreen mode, ran ooimpress but nothing happened. I think I need a little more help. |
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| 13:40.59 | Asif | wols is right . nobody would like to use dated linux distro . I have a PII with 128 mb ram |
| 13:41.14 | wols | vlt_phone: dpkg -l |grep openoffice |
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| 13:45.32 | stamp_ | hi i cant connet to this server what is the error i must make clip in something more? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=k4v0pk&s=7 |
| 13:45.35 | negge | Asif: you should start with installing Debian stable (netinstall) on it. If all hardware works (which it probably will) you can experiment with different desktop environments/window managers until you find something that suits your needs |
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| 13:46.09 | negge | stamp_: would be a bit easier to help if your screenshots were in English |
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| 13:46.37 | stamp_ | sorry very dificult for me now |
| 13:46.42 | SparFux | Hi all. Do I have to expect lots of trouble using kernel 2.6.32 from stable in sid? |
| 13:46.58 | thewanderer1 | hi. how do I set up a bridge with both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses? |
| 13:47.00 | wols | stamp_: is this debian? |
| 13:47.07 | stamp_ | i must make clip in tap options? |
| 13:47.28 | vlt | wols: "dpkg -l | grep openoffice" shows me openoffice.org-common, -core, -draw, -impress and -style-galaxy. |
| 13:48.02 | bzed | SparFux: usually depends on udev - but I guess it should work for now |
| 13:48.22 | negge | thewanderer1: if you know how to create a bridge then adding addresses to it is the same as adding them to a standard interface. You might be better of askin gin ##networking though |
| 13:48.32 | SparFux | bzed: ok, so I'll try :-) |
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| 13:48.50 | thewanderer1 | negge: yeah, but do I specify bridge_ports for both instances? |
| 13:48.52 | SparFux | btw, does anybody get segfaults in sid atm? dmesg | grep segfault |
| 13:49.18 | negge | thewanderer1: bridge_ports are the same no matter if you use IPv4 or 6 |
| 13:49.40 | thewanderer1 | hm... it's strange to combine L2 and L3 configuration this way, though |
| 13:50.23 | stamp_ | is ther a debian in spanish? |
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| 13:50.24 | thewanderer1 | I guess I have to try it and see if I get any strange errors :P |
| 13:50.32 | stamp_ | is there? |
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| 13:51.05 | stamp_ | is there a debian support in spanish? |
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| 13:51.09 | vlt | !es | stamp_ |
| 13:51.09 | dpkg | | stamp_: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 13:51.45 | stamp_ | ok thank you |
| 13:52.55 | vlt | now installs openoffice.org-java-common manually |
| 13:54.03 | grewes | hi! iam using wheezy. i have a nvidia quadro 350M. when using the legacy nvidia glx driver (173) glxgears shows turning gears and glxinfo shows direct rendering: Yes. when using the "normal" glx driver (afaik 273 sth) glxgears just show a blank screen but glxinfo still shows direct rendering: Yes. any hints? |
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| 13:57.33 | wols | grewes: old cards and new nvidia drivers don't mix |
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| 13:58.30 | grewes | wols: the list at nvidias website says my card is supported by the new driver. dont you think it should work flawlessly? |
| 13:59.33 | wols | ask nvidia then I guess |
| 13:59.45 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 14:13.21 | mamalujo | hm, I seem to be running into some dep. conflict w testing, w nvidia drives. apt-get install nvidia-glx seems to want to deinstall half my desktop. aptitude otoh seems to suggest its some conflict w libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-nvidia-alternatives and libgl1-nvidia-glx this seems to pull. but won't offer a sollution that actually ends up installing nvidia-glx. What would be a sensible course here? |
| 14:13.36 | abrotman | running stable ... |
| 14:13.40 | mamalujo | hehe |
| 14:14.46 | ompaul | mamalujo: have you thought of asking in #debian-next on oftc? |
| 14:15.02 | ompaul | they tend to be running sid |
| 14:15.14 | mamalujo | no, never heard of the channel |
| 14:17.05 | ompaul | mamalujo: rather new Time Registered: Fri 06 May 2011 18:47:00 +0000 |
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| 14:17.57 | Odaym | I "apt-get install opendjk-6-jre" on Debian 6, where would i find the JDK now? |
| 14:18.03 | mamalujo | hm! |
| 14:18.06 | mamalujo | thx |
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| 14:19.47 | skilz | Im having trouble with wicd, it just hangs on 'Getting IP'. 'Connection failed, unable to get IP address.' |
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| 14:20.09 | abrotman | Odaym: uhm, really? |
| 14:20.18 | abrotman | Odaym: take a guess what it might be called ... |
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| 14:20.44 | Odaym | i know what iw ould be called, but i can't find it in /usr/local/ and i type "javac" and says bad command |
| 14:21.05 | Odaym | i need to set it as an environment variable, for Apache James and ANT to work |
| 14:21.06 | abrotman | it wouldn't be in /usr/local/ |
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| 14:21.16 | abrotman | debian doesn't put stuff in /usr/local/ |
| 14:21.43 | Odaym | i did dpkg -L openjdk-6-jre |
| 14:21.53 | abrotman | Odaym: you instaled a JRE, not a JDK .. the package you want is openjdk-6-jdk .. not -jre |
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| 14:22.02 | Odaym | and it came up with results to where it is, but none of them produced where "jdk-1.6.." is |
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| 14:22.12 | Odaym | ah i got the runtime environment |
| 14:22.19 | abrotman | or perhaps even sun-java6-jdk |
| 14:22.31 | abrotman | but the JRE packages don't include a 'javac' |
| 14:22.31 | wildc4rd | afternoon all! |
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| 14:26.24 | pmjdebruijn | hi all |
| 14:26.29 | boudiccas | wildc4rd; afternoon nick |
| 14:26.36 | pmjdebruijn | I think I accidentally marked a bug report for spam |
| 14:26.40 | pmjdebruijn | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=608353 |
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| 14:26.50 | pmjdebruijn | I assumed my faultly report will be human reviewed |
| 14:28.15 | ompaul | pmjdebruijn: there is an "appeal method" you can use that and it will be human reviewd |
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| 14:29.11 | pmjdebruijn | ompaul: huh? |
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| 14:29.16 | pmjdebruijn | ompaul: I "incorrectly" tagged it |
| 14:29.21 | pmjdebruijn | it was just a mistake |
| 14:29.27 | ompaul | you can have the spam mark removed if you want |
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| 14:51.46 | jackl | hello |
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| 14:54.24 | daveo | i'm running linuxmint xfce (debian based) and somehow have lost file associations, ie thunar is reporting .pdf files as type plain text type and has no idea about .deb files (usually gdebi works for this) |
| 14:54.40 | daveo | any ideas how to get it to recoginze correct file types? |
| 14:55.41 | daveo | or is there a way to manually change file types? |
| 14:55.57 | jackl | what are you talking about |
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| 14:56.02 | jackl | devio |
| 14:56.08 | jackl | deveo |
| 14:56.32 | mark761 | I swear mozilla doesn't like my computer |
| 14:57.05 | jackl | mark |
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| 14:58.35 | jackl | A |
| 14:58.35 | jackl | B |
| 14:58.35 | jackl | C |
| 14:58.35 | jackl | D |
| 14:58.35 | jackl | E |
| 14:58.35 | jackl | F |
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| 15:02.25 | mark761 | How can a web browser freeze your os? |
| 15:02.46 | jackl | mark |
| 15:03.03 | mark761 | Stop it |
| 15:03.07 | ompaul | jackl: give it a rest |
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| 15:03.30 | jackl | what i didnt do anything i just dont like to be ignored like some kind of asshole |
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| 15:03.56 | ompaul | jackl: have you a specific debian question? |
| 15:04.25 | babilen | jackl: This is a Debian support channel. If you have a Debian related problem or question do not hesitate to ask. But if you are looking for social chat channel you better head over to #defocus or a different server. |
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| 15:05.27 | jackl | oh ok |
| 15:05.29 | jackl | my bad |
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| 15:09.52 | DapperD | what battery icon notifier stuff in systray would you suggest for a lightweight openbox system? |
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| 15:10.26 | babilen | DapperD: I happily use dzen2 + conky |
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| 15:11.19 | thepro4ever | how do i set iceweasel as my default browser? |
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| 15:11.35 | DapperD | babilen: can't find conky in the repositories |
| 15:11.41 | babilen | thepro4ever: Which desktop/environment/window manager are you using? |
| 15:12.38 | babilen | DapperD: It is in contrib -- /msg dpkg contrib ---- You probably want to enable non-free too. -- /msg dpkg non-free -- /msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 15:13.27 | tuxcrafter | http://paste.debian.net/121682/ how can i solve this ext4 kernel error? |
| 15:13.35 | tuxcrafter | it is popping up daily |
| 15:13.46 | daan | babilen, do you know if theres a way to compile gcc (4.6) without fortran? i tried playing with the debian/rules and few variables, but it seems to ignore everything |
| 15:14.34 | DapperD | babilen: no, I do not want to use non-free software |
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| 15:15.01 | thepro4ever | babilen: debian lenny, i think it's gnome desktop |
| 15:15.07 | DapperD | babilen: will have a look at dzen2 |
| 15:15.17 | babilen | DapperD: Ok, that is fine with me. You can not use conky in that case as it depends on non-free software. |
| 15:15.17 | thepro4ever | babilen: there is big foot icon in the upper left |
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| 15:16.13 | ompaul | tuxcrafter: there is this thing called get a new disk - you have two errors |
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| 15:16.29 | ompaul | disk cheap data loss dear |
| 15:16.42 | babilen | thepro4ever: Ok, you can set it in gnome-control-conter→preferred-application -- You might also want to run "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" |
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| 15:17.01 | tuxcrafter | ompaul: it is on a mdadm lvm raid system |
| 15:17.10 | tuxcrafter | ompaul: i found http://us.generation-nt.com/regular-ext4-error-warning-hd-usb-dock-help-201556202.html |
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| 15:17.39 | babilen | DapperD: In case you decide to use conky, here is my config: http://paste.debian.net/121683/ + http://dzen.geekmode.org/dwiki/doku.php?id=dzen:icon-packs |
| 15:17.44 | ompaul | tuxcrafter: are you saying that you have usb disks? |
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| 15:18.08 | DapperD | babilen: thanks |
| 15:18.23 | tuxcrafter | ompaul: nope |
| 15:18.46 | tuxcrafter | ompaul: http://lists.openwall.net/linux-ext4/2010/09/26/23\ |
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| 15:20.32 | tuxcrafter | So the problem is that you've upgraded to a not-yet-released kernel, |
| 15:20.32 | tuxcrafter | and the code to clear out the information in the superblock that is |
| 15:20.32 | tuxcrafter | used to print out this information is in a not-yet-released version of |
| 15:20.32 | tuxcrafter | e2fsprogs. :-) |
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| 15:20.55 | tuxcrafter | that should have been a oneliner :D |
| 15:20.56 | ompaul | so then why point to it |
| 15:20.58 | tuxcrafter | srry |
| 15:21.03 | tuxcrafter | ompaul: well i just found it |
| 15:21.32 | tuxcrafter | i seem to have used the 2.6.38 kernel in debian backports with a too old e2fsprogs |
| 15:21.38 | tuxcrafter | and now i cant clean out the error |
| 15:21.57 | ompaul | tbh if that is your situation you have solved it yourself, I have a rule about disks - show me one error I'll grab my data format try you one more time, if you fail then you get replaced - that is my conversation with the data |
| 15:22.45 | ompaul | so you need to do unsupported upgrades unless you are going to do sid and that has other risks / side effects |
| 15:23.47 | tuxcrafter | meh seem to use 1.41.12 and need 1.41.13 |
| 15:24.13 | ompaul | and on goes your upgrade toward full testing or sid or something |
| 15:24.33 | ompaul | pray tell, why did you feel that a .38 kernel was needed |
| 15:24.57 | tuxcrafter | ompaul: < 2.6.38 did not support my mvsas stata controller |
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| 15:26.16 | tuxcrafter | > 1.41.12 e2fsprogs request for sqeeze-backports :D |
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| 15:27.23 | SpeedyG | pff.. why are all those how-to's on DNS so hard to comprehend |
| 15:28.09 | valdyn | SpeedyG: they're probably not just about dns but about bind9 |
| 15:28.19 | valdyn | SpeedyG: ...which you dont need to use anyway, probably |
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| 15:28.45 | SpeedyG | valdyn: well, I want to have my own internal dns server running |
| 15:29.27 | valdyn | SpeedyG: install dnsmasq, enable its dns, disable its dhcp functionality |
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| 15:30.09 | jhutchins_lt2 | SpeedyG: The howto at tldp.org is pretty good. |
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| 15:30.42 | valdyn | !dnsmasq |
| 15:30.47 | valdyn | oo |
| 15:31.44 | jhutchins_lt2 | %dnsmasq |
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| 15:32.01 | valdyn | SpeedyG: bind9 runs the root dns servers, doesnt mean you need to use it |
| 15:32.01 | mark761 | How can I disable bad ram? |
| 15:32.09 | valdyn | !badram |
| 15:32.09 | dpkg | BadRAM is a Linux kernel patch allowing the safe use of RAM modules containing errors. Packaged for Debian as kernel-patch-badram, not included in Debian kernel images (BTS #396522). http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ memtest86 and memtest86+ can determine the parameters to supply to a badram-enabled kernel, see <memtest>. See also <grub2 badram>. |
| 15:32.28 | mark761 | Okay. How do I find bad ram? |
| 15:32.37 | mark761 | That is ram that's faulty |
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| 15:32.46 | valdyn | mark761: read what dpkg said |
| 15:32.49 | zinx | memtest86+, generally... |
| 15:33.07 | mark761 | Tried that. It didn't bring anything up |
| 15:33.16 | valdyn | mark761: so your ram isnt bad |
| 15:33.23 | SpeedyG | jhutchins_lt: it is quite ok, but it mostly explains the 'what', not the 'why' which i'm quite interested in.. |
| 15:33.32 | mark761 | So why does my system crash when I use firefox? |
| 15:33.42 | valdyn | mark761: how would I know that? |
| 15:33.42 | mark761 | Sometimes |
| 15:34.05 | SpeedyG | mark761: faulty plugins or such |
| 15:34.12 | valdyn | SpeedyG: no! |
| 15:34.16 | jhutchins_lt | SpeedyG: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596001582 |
| 15:34.20 | zinx | mark761: system, or firefox? |
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| 15:34.37 | SpeedyG | valdyn: ? |
| 15:35.11 | valdyn | SpeedyG: plugins may be able to crash older firefox versions but not the whole system |
| 15:35.13 | cga | hi, if i create some dir i need with nginx upload module in /tmp/user/33/dir/1 will it be removed under specific condiftions? because nginx runs as www-data here and those dir/1 dir/2 etc.. need to be permanent for the upload module to work. can i set them in there? or should i use a different /tmp path? |
| 15:35.18 | mark761 | I was looking at salon.com earlier. I had two other tabs open and I was navigating to another page on the salon site when everything froze |
| 15:35.32 | mark761 | No mouse, no keyboard, no display |
| 15:35.37 | SpeedyG | valdyn: i've had issues with flash plugins that caused my whole (windows) System to crash ... |
| 15:35.43 | zinx | mark761: there are other things that can go wrong... bad cpu (usually found by memtest86+ too, though), bad gpu (not found by memtest86+), bad hard drive(s), bad motherboard (hd controller, etc), bad power supply |
| 15:35.51 | valdyn | SpeedyG: thats a windows bug, not a flash bug |
| 15:36.06 | mark761 | How could I find what it is? |
| 15:36.23 | valdyn | SpeedyG: but beside that i cannot believe you that a process like flash could crash windows, thats a myth |
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| 15:37.20 | zinx | mark761: sadly for system freezes, it tends to be a process of elimination |
| 15:37.24 | valdyn | mark761: that may be very hard depending on what it is - check temperatures, see if you can compile kernels repeatedly |
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| 15:38.20 | yang | how is it prevented network manager reconfiguration of resolv.conf each time after reboot ? |
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| 15:39.01 | ksx4system | how do I use Dropbear as ssh client too? (i don't want to run openssh-client) |
| 15:39.42 | valdyn | yang: the readme in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ describes how to give and remove control over network interfaces to / from network-manager |
| 15:40.15 | mark761 | Is there an actual terminal command -check temperature? |
| 15:40.28 | valdyn | mark761: "sensors" |
| 15:41.26 | DapperD | what Mini PCI wlan card would you build into an HP 625 (with Debian running)? (there was a Broadcom device built-in before with no free drivers) |
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| 15:43.22 | mark761 | 40 C is normal |
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| 15:43.53 | valdyn | mark761: yes |
| 15:44.09 | mark761 | So it's not overheating |
| 15:44.26 | manouch | hello... i startet to build a debian package one month ago... now i saw that there is a new release of the software... for this reason i changed my configuration and files.... but dpkg-buildpackage wants a changelog and a rules file now |
| 15:44.33 | manouch | it didn't want that before |
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| 15:44.47 | valdyn | mark761: you should get a 2nd computer logged in via ssh if that is possible to see if the "whole system hangs" really isnt just "X hangs" |
| 15:44.50 | manouch | i think that he tracked the old unready version |
| 15:45.04 | manouch | is there a way to make it forget the old version? |
| 15:45.14 | mark761 | I don't have a second computer valdyn |
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| 15:45.59 | valdyn | Is sysrq enabled by default in debian now? |
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| 15:47.19 | valdyn | mark761: try this key combo: "ctrl-alt-print s" |
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| 15:48.39 | mark761 | Didn't do anything val |
| 15:49.00 | mark761 | Nope. Nada |
| 15:49.01 | valdyn | mark761: run "dmesg", check the last line for "SysRq : Emergency Sync" |
| 15:49.12 | valdyn | !sysrq |
| 15:49.34 | mark761 | Last line is Emergency Sync complete |
| 15:49.57 | valdyn | mark761: great, so you can try sysrq key combos when your system is "frozen" |
| 15:50.09 | mark761 | The one before that is SysRq : Emergency Sync |
| 15:50.36 | mark761 | We don't do schlockwave, do we? |
| 15:50.56 | valdyn | mark761: hmm? |
| 15:51.07 | mark761 | Shockwave. Linux doesn't do it |
| 15:51.26 | valdyn | nardev: i dont know what youre talking about |
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| 15:52.10 | valdyn | mark761: i dont know what youre talking about |
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| 15:52.40 | mark761 | It's a adobe thing |
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| 15:52.46 | mark761 | Don't worry about it |
| 15:52.47 | ksx4system | how do I use Dropbear (dbclient) as ssh client (= ssh command) after un-installing openssh-client? |
| 15:53.06 | valdyn | mark761: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key has all key combos you can use |
| 15:53.17 | valdyn | mark761: when you freeze the next time, try |
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| 15:53.40 | valdyn | mark761: particularily the "k" to get rid of X |
| 15:54.30 | mark761 | Will do |
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| 15:55.09 | valdyn | mark761: if you can kill X, you can restart it or look at logs etc, but if you cannot you will know that its really the whole system that froze |
| 15:55.18 | gentz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.32 | DapperD | gentz: http://wiki.debian.org/FAI |
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| 16:06.15 | tuxcrafter | ksx4system: install dropbear? man dropbear |
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| 16:12.52 | Fudge | s/c |
| 16:13.16 | Fudge | hi does debian have a method to use higher kernels such as 2.6.38 |
| 16:13.42 | Fudge | !kernel 2.6.38 |
| 16:14.46 | dvs | !tell Fudge about kp |
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| 16:15.11 | Fudge | it went to the shop |
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| 16:15.18 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 16:15.20 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (3.0.0~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 16:16.18 | Fudge | ah squeeze backports, thank you |
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| 16:16.24 | dvs | np |
| 16:16.29 | Fudge | :) |
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| 16:17.57 | berserkr | hi all |
| 16:20.38 | mamalujo | hmm, so everything else seems to be ok after the upgade from stable.. however, I ended up having issues w nouveau too (prob a time to give it a serious chance, being free and all, even if nvidia's non-free could be persuaded into working), so am in vesa now. colors look a bit deformed on this rez at least, so its quite ugly... |
| 16:21.14 | gentz | How can I make my debian livecd bootablef rom a usb? |
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| 16:22.11 | Fudge | im using squeeze so would i want squeeze backports, i read that its for lenny use, but i want the kernel 2.6.39-2 |
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| 16:23.08 | berserkr | what is the best way to encrypt a partition with debian squeeze? using encrypt LVM when I install, after installation or both are similar?? I really only want to encrypt /home |
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| 16:25.26 | spal | the output of a 'foo' is: http:\/\/example.com\/ I want to pass this as an argument to another command but with the \/ properly converted to /. one way is: foo | xargs othercommand (shell interprets the escape sequences correctly) |
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| 16:25.42 | spal | othercommand `foo` doesn't work |
| 16:25.53 | spal | any hack to make it work with ` ` ? |
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| 16:26.34 | tim_flatus | I've recently upgraded to a machine with SATA Hard drives and I'm trying to retrieve data from my old IDE drives. I have them wired up to a USB > IDE & SATA cable, but the IDE drives don't seem to want to auto mount (sometimes they do eventually). lsusb doesn't show the device when I plug it in. I'm stumped. Did I just start in the wrong place? |
| 16:27.49 | Fudge | do the devices show in /dev as new drives tim_flatus |
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| 16:31.08 | berserkr | what is the best way to encrypt a partition with debian squeeze? using encrypt LVM when I install, after installation or both are similar?? I really only want to encrypt /home . I've tried to install with encrypted LVM partitions, but some errors occurs when I start and stop the computer |
| 16:31.47 | tim_flatus | Fudge: nope |
| 16:32.43 | tim_flatus | I'm expecting it to turn up as sd* even though it's an IDE drive. Is that correct? |
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| 16:33.21 | jhutchins_lt | tim_flatus: My guess would be a faulty USB/IDE adaptor. |
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| 16:33.36 | jhutchins_lt | tim_flatus: Does anything show up in dmesg? |
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| 16:34.11 | tim_flatus | jhutchins: it may be cheap. |
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| 16:35.59 | tim_flatus | Nothing, light goes on on the usb cable, but that doesn't ncessarily mean much. |
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| 16:36.41 | jhutchins_lt | tim_flatus: Means there's power on the USB port. Does the drive spin up? |
| 16:36.52 | tim_flatus | Yes, the drive is awake. |
| 16:37.04 | tim_flatus | Hang on. Repeat tests. |
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| 16:39.02 | tim_flatus | No, nothing. |
| 16:39.24 | tim_flatus | The USB ports all work fine. |
| 16:39.54 | gentz | Hwats the difference between USB-HDD and USB Hybrid ISO image files on debian.org? |
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| 16:41.23 | tim_flatus | The weird thing is that if I leave it plugged in for about a couple of hours it may suddenly decide to automount. |
| 16:41.34 | tim_flatus | Which is what I shall probably do. |
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| 16:46.10 | Bushmills | gentz: hybrid images can boot from both cdrom and disks. hdd images aren't cd bootable |
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| 16:47.25 | Bushmills | tim_flatus: "as sd*" - yes, right. whether they automount depends on what software you have installed |
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| 16:48.32 | Bushmills | some drives pull too much current for being powered from usb port, and need external power |
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| 16:49.43 | Bushmills | fdisk -l shows whether the drive as such can be seen. |
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| 16:50.47 | Bushmills | berserkr: luks or encfs are two options. encfs is simple and nice |
| 16:51.18 | berserkr | can i use it after installation? |
| 16:51.50 | tim_flatus | Bushmills: nothing special, GNOME on squeeze. |
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| 16:52.27 | Bushmills | spal: rather than foo|xargs command, you could do command $(foo) |
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| 16:53.27 | Bushmills | xargs would be useful when the resulting command line becomes too long |
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| 16:57.08 | ujjain | sntop is ntop? |
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| 16:57.45 | SparFux | Hi! Can I check at what date a package was last upgraded? |
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| 16:57.56 | Bushmills | ujjain: apt-cache show sntop ; apt-cache show ntop |
| 16:59.21 | SparFux | I suspect my libc6 to cause segfaults and I would like to check when it was last updated. |
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| 17:00.09 | ujjain | Bushmills: no packages found. |
| 17:00.11 | tim_flatus | SparFux: can you not do it by version number? |
| 17:00.12 | berserkr | Bushmills: can i use luks or encfs after installation? and another question: when it asked to me for the password? |
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| 17:00.44 | maligor | SparFux, /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 17:00.45 | Bushmills | yes. encfs when you mount the directory containing the encrypted files |
| 17:00.55 | SparFux | tim_flatus: no, I would have to check when upgrade was and when the segfaults appeared. |
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| 17:02.47 | berserkr | thank you bushmills |
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| 17:05.28 | SparFux | maligor: thx. |
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| 17:07.27 | tim_flatus | SparFux: or even ls -l /lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 17:08.57 | nikitis | Question. I'm writing a debian installer script for an undisclosed device. Problem is. My installer script dies once I chroot. How can I make the script located on Pre-chrooted / continue to run after post-chrooting? My chroot command is currently LANG=C chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash |
| 17:10.00 | maligor | that tells the chroot to run /bin/bash |
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| 17:11.06 | maligor | I'm barely a novice at writing shell scripts, but copy the rest of the script to the chroot and tell chroot to execute it? |
| 17:11.14 | maligor | or use bash args to do it |
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| 17:12.57 | DapperD | when I start virt-manager it pops up a warning window that states "Unable to open a connection to the libvirt management daemon. [...]". I checked on it and found out that it is a process hierarchy problem with libvirt-bin but I found no solution for Debian so far. Any idea? |
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| 17:13.11 | DapperD | qemudwritepidfile:535 failed to open pid file '/var/run/libvirtd.pid' : file exists |
| 17:13.25 | SparFux | Can I just aptitude reinstall libc6 or will iit break something? |
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| 17:13.56 | SparFux | I have to state, I am keeping getting segfaults for more than half a year now. I never noticed, but can see in the logs now. |
| 17:14.24 | DapperD | lol :) |
| 17:14.26 | donttrustem | why would the command ntpdate reboot the server |
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| 17:14.43 | wols | donttrustem: cause your server is faulty? |
| 17:15.08 | maligor | SparFux, have you run memtest86 on it? |
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| 17:15.30 | SparFux | maligor: yes, passed. |
| 17:15.41 | SparFux | maligor: but that doesn't mean 100% ram ok. |
| 17:15.51 | DapperD | how long did it run? |
| 17:15.52 | SparFux | maligor: anyway, of course I am searching for other reasons now. |
| 17:15.56 | SparFux | DapperD: hours. |
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| 17:16.16 | SparFux | perhaps I can run it days. or perhaps I can go with only some of the ram banks. |
| 17:16.24 | maligor | you might actually want to leave it for a night |
| 17:16.31 | SparFux | maligor: ok. |
| 17:19.11 | maligor | it should usually catch issues like that quite fast, but if the crashes you see are rare, it might be more obscure |
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| 17:20.04 | cousin_mario | hello |
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| 17:23.40 | cousin_mario | Where could I find a list of the scripts executed upon login? |
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| 17:25.56 | Craigwd_2000 | Maligor: I tried running memtest86+ on my PC laptop but it failed to tell me that the DDR2 PC2-6400 1 GB module my PC laptop shipped with was bad... In the end I just ended up removing the module & it started acting slightly less sick but these Kernel Segmentation Faults that keep happening when I attempt to boot-up Wheezy are really baffling me... |
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| 17:26.57 | DerPate | Craigwd_2000 try to test the hdd maybe some bad sectors |
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| 17:28.08 | genfool | little help for a debian noob? fresh install, not familiar with apt, not sure how to search for packages, I need to install nvidia-settings to make browsing and reading easier |
| 17:28.17 | cousin_mario | Craigwd_2000: I'd try running prime95 for a while |
| 17:28.31 | Craigwd_2000 | DerPate: I already tried running the latest WDDiag software on it while booted off the UltimateBootCD but it keeps insisting falsely that the drive is fine when it isn't... |
| 17:28.45 | cousin_mario | sorry, mprime in our case:) |
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| 17:30.30 | Craigwd_2000 | The SMART Reporting tool keeps saying it's fine too so I'm not even sure if these utilities can be trusted at all in the first place... |
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| 17:30.45 | donttrustem | wols:it was not the server .... it was the bios had a different time ... |
| 17:31.09 | DerPate | genfool try apt-cache search |
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| 17:32.36 | Craigwd_2000 | I tried running Prime95's Torture Test mode on it back when it still had Windows 7 x64 Home Premium installed on it & it failed to glitch at all...; it ran it absolutely flawlessly & now this... :( |
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| 17:33.17 | babilen | genfool: Ok -- You can search for packages with "aptitude search FOO" and "apt-cache search FOO" -- The former will only search package names and the latter descriptions as well. aptitude has a very powerful search syntax (/msg dpkg aptitude search), but is a tad slower. You can also search for specific files with "apt-file" (/msg dpkg apt-file) and it is typically a good idea to use a regular expression. When you are looking for a binary it is ... |
| 17:33.21 | DerPate | Craigwd_2000 did you already tried to use debain squeeze |
| 17:33.23 | babilen | ... likely to reside in some "/bin" directory and you could, for example, search for nvidia-settings with 'apt-file search -x "bin/nvidia-settings$"' |
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| 17:34.22 | Craigwd_2000 | DerPate: I can't...; Squeeze's Free & Non-Free Repos are missing firmware that's specific to my particular PC laptop... |
| 17:34.30 | babilen | genfool: If you want to install the proprietary nvidia drivers you'll have to enable contrib and non-free -- /msg dpkg contrib -- /msg dpkg non-free -- /msg dpkg non-free sources -- And follow the instructions in the "nvidia dkms" factoid. (/msg dpkg nvidia dkms) |
| 17:34.40 | michlemken-1 | A broken nvidia driver in testing is real shit - upgrading from unstable (slowly downloading and installing nvidia-glx and dependencies manually) does fix it |
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| 17:35.17 | DerPate | Craigwd_2000 thats bad |
| 17:35.49 | mamalujo | michlemken-1: excuse me, I was just having that problem, what fixes it? |
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| 17:35.49 | genfool | DerPate, Thanks, am not totally helpless, I have dual monitors and with current setup I have two of everything, just makes things harder to read. looks like I may need to open a repo |
| 17:36.29 | michlemken-1 | mamalujo, if running testing use the unstable stuff |
| 17:36.49 | mamalujo | michlemken-1: for nvidia-glx and its dependencies, right? |
| 17:36.49 | Craigwd_2000 | My ethernet card works just fine without it though...; personally I'm more concerned about my proprietary ATI Radeon HD GPU... |
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| 17:37.37 | babilen | genfool: You can typically configure multiscreen setups with *randr -- xrandr on the command line or arandr and grandr with GUIs (KDE and Gnome probably have their own configuration tools too) |
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| 17:40.38 | babilen | genfool: I like arandr, but YMMV |
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| 17:43.21 | michlemken-1 | mamalujo, the file are listed at http://ideone.com/iavjb |
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| 17:43.45 | mamalujo | michlemken-1: thx! you probably saved me from 'vesa' :) |
| 17:44.18 | pzn | is there any tool in debian to make a network tunnel? only have access to udp ports on firewall, and need an tcp port |
| 17:44.33 | daemonkeeper | openvpn |
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| 17:44.55 | daemonkeeper | Or others, like ssh. But this requires TCP |
| 17:45.10 | pzn | daemonkeeper, openvpn can use udp port on its lowlevel? |
| 17:45.15 | daemonkeeper | Sure |
| 17:45.26 | daemonkeeper | In fact its the recommended way of operation |
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| 17:45.28 | rhenani | hello guys |
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| 17:46.08 | rhenani | How do i connect to a red with a WEP password using comand line interface?? |
| 17:46.18 | rhenani | I have the password the essid, the channel ,etc |
| 17:46.26 | daemonkeeper | use iwconfig or wpa_supplicant |
| 17:46.31 | rhenani | or what package can i use to nmake it easy for me??? |
| 17:47.11 | rhenani | daemonkeeper: I know iwconfig interface essid {here} channel {here} |
| 17:47.31 | rhenani | daemonkeeper: but how do i set up the password?? |
| 17:47.34 | pzn | daemonkeeper, thanks, I'm reading the manpage and it fits my needs! |
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| 17:47.44 | genfool | Much better, now have monitors setup, ready for some reading :) |
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| 17:47.49 | daemonkeeper | rhenani: Read the man page, it also has "enc"/"key" |
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| 17:51.37 | cousin_mario | rhenani: why do they even bother putting a password on a WEP-secured network? |
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| 17:52.27 | daemonkeeper | cousin_mario: Security by obscurity |
| 17:52.38 | digdilem | plausible deniability if someone uses it for bad things |
| 17:52.40 | cousin_mario | I see:) |
| 17:52.46 | digdilem | for "someone" read "you" |
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| 17:52.55 | adminewb | I've noticed a common problem among linux versions from different distros: when BIOS has a fixed cpu clock / Vcore setting, rather than "auto", booting linux will cause a fault which might just hang the system; is there a reliable way to configure for greater tolerance of that? |
| 17:53.01 | cousin_mario | depends on jurisdiction, I suppose |
| 17:53.14 | digdilem | if your lan has a wep secured wap, you can always try a defence of "someone must have come in via that" |
| 17:53.25 | digdilem | r, probably |
| 17:53.28 | cousin_mario | I see |
| 17:53.36 | crazy2k | Hi. I'm on Debian wheezy on PowerPC. How can I use a modern browser like chromium-browser or iceweasel 4/5? I added the Mozilla's team repository, but it only has packages for x86. |
| 17:53.39 | daemonkeeper | digdilem: Some courts would deny this argumentation. |
| 17:53.45 | adminewb | preferably to not trigger the fault at all |
| 17:53.51 | digdilem | i also have some hardware that only uses wep, but i hide the ssid for those |
| 17:54.18 | digdilem | daemonkeeper, probably, but it /is/ a defence and a hard one for them to disprove unless they find secondary evidence on your own computers, for example |
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| 17:55.12 | adminewb | if certain power-control related modules need to disable / unload themselves when such condition's detected, fine |
| 17:55.15 | centHOGG | adminewb: interesting |
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| 17:55.31 | daemonkeeper | digdilem: This discussion is off-topic, I do believe some courts literally said: You are liable because you didn't secure your network. |
| 17:56.08 | robert__ | Hi all, i want to know how i can install the GTK libbarys for C, i am using the xfec desktop enviroment. Is it possible to install gtk to this desktop ? |
| 17:56.22 | digdilem | daemonkeeper, yes - last word on this and I'm not a world legal expert, but unless you are specifically required to secure your network by law, the courts cannot prosecute you for failing to do so. |
| 17:56.35 | adminewb | afk, checking back later |
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| 17:57.12 | th0r | robert__: you can install all the libs you want, they just sit on the drive until needed. If you are trying to program, you will need the lib-dev packages also |
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| 17:57.51 | robert__ | th0r, So i need lib-dev and gtk ?? where are the lib-dev libarys for |
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| 17:59.44 | robert__ | How is the gtk package named? i tried apt-get install gtk |
| 17:59.50 | robert__ | but that doesnt work :P |
| 17:59.54 | th0r | robert__: without knowing what you want to do I can't even guess what libs you need. If you open synaptic and search for gtk you will find a whole list of both libs and dev packages |
| 18:00.18 | cousin_mario | bbl |
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| 18:00.25 | th0r | robert__: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 18:00.49 | robert__ | th0r, writing a GUI in C just for learning |
| 18:01.17 | th0r | robert__: well, there isn't just one lib for gtk....as that search of synaptic will show <smile> |
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| 18:03.31 | HariSeldon | Hi @ all |
| 18:03.47 | HariSeldon | I've had to buy 2 notebook for a University project, and i wish to know what kind of bluetootch chip and 56k modem are the best supported under debian :) |
| 18:03.55 | HariSeldon | sorry for my english |
| 18:04.02 | HariSeldon | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.55 | HariSeldon | Tell me if i'm wrong :) |
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| 18:07.42 | babilen | HariSeldon: I can't really tell you which bluetooth modules are well supported, but you could take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB + http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth -- You can also ask on their mailing list. |
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| 18:08.38 | babilen | HariSeldon: Haven't used a 56k modem in 15 years, so I have absolutely no clue what is supported and what not. IIRC winmodems were pretty bad supported, but a USB Robotics over serial (if you still have that) will probably accept the same AT commands as the deviced 20 years ago |
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| 18:08.53 | babilen | s/USB/US |
| 18:08.56 | robert__ | th0r, Pfew i dont have an idea wich package i need there are like hundred gtk packages ... do you know wich i need for c programming ? |
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| 18:09.16 | th0r | robert__: I no longer code....haven't for years |
| 18:09.49 | th0r | robert__: there are a number of tutorials on the web for starting in C |
| 18:09.58 | HariSeldon | babilen tnx for your answer :) |
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| 18:10.34 | babilen | HariSeldon: Good luck |
| 18:10.42 | robert__ | th0r, ah think i got it, libgtk2.o-dev |
| 18:11.03 | HariSeldon | regarding bluetooth: on the debian usb database page seems supported only broadcom bcm2033, that i can't find anymore in the shops. and in the bluetooth page there is nothing of interesting. |
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| 18:11.32 | babilen | HariSeldon: Hence my recommendation to ask on the mailing list (either pkg-bluetooth or debian-user) |
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| 18:11.53 | HariSeldon | Regarding modem maybe you're right, winmodem sucks. |
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| 18:12.02 | babilen | HariSeldon: I have a working Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0a5c:2110 Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth Controller |
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| 18:12.17 | HariSeldon | lspci or lsusb? |
| 18:12.34 | babilen | HariSeldon: USB (Thinkpad T60) |
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| 18:13.16 | HariSeldon | may you tell me the chip name? |
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| 18:14.05 | ujjain | this might be a stupid question, but do i386 deb packages run on x64? |
| 18:14.40 | Black_Prince | argh |
| 18:15.32 | rhenani | daemonkeeper: I used be conected to a red with a wpa key, now i moved i got a new red i have the essid the channel the password everything, but i don't know how to get conected to this red using comand line. |
| 18:15.57 | rhenani | I do iwconfig wlan0 essid Coquito channel: 11 |
| 18:17.17 | rhenani | and i got this: http://paste.debian.net/121694/ |
| 18:17.20 | HariSeldon | babilen: tnx however :) |
| 18:17.23 | daemonkeeper | rhenani: I told you, please read man iwconfig. There is noted everything you need to know, including "enc" |
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| 18:17.58 | rhenani | please help how do i get conected |
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| 18:26.28 | boudiccas | rhenani; what is a 'red' that you're connected to please? |
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| 18:27.14 | wols | rhenani: what wlan chip? |
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| 18:28.57 | rhenani | boudiccas: Coquito |
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| 18:29.35 | rhenani | boudiccas: Coquito :'( the thing is that i put the key the essid the channel but it get asociated |
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| 18:30.47 | rhenani | wols: THIS WHAT I HAVE DONE SO FAR http://paste.debian.net/121696/ |
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| 18:34.49 | wols | rhenani: answer my question |
| 18:35.10 | rhenani | wols: how do find out which one is wlan chip?? |
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| 18:37.07 | Black_Prince | rhenani, lspci -nn or lsusb if using usb device |
| 18:37.14 | oobe | rhenani, lspci |grep Net |
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| 18:37.53 | oobe | actually make that grep -i Net |
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| 18:40.20 | Soothsayer | I'm in the middle of a lenny to squeeze upgrade process. The kernel update screen says, "The new linux kernel provides different drivers for some PATA(IDE) Controllers.. the names of some hard disks, cd-rom, tape devices may change.. |
| 18:40.48 | Soothsayer | what should I do ? |
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| 18:41.19 | Black_Prince | It should pop up a dialog that offers you to migrate your fstab to uuid based mounts |
| 18:41.33 | Black_Prince | If I remember correctly |
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| 18:42.30 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, presently in my /etc/fstab file there are no UUID's defined |
| 18:42.41 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, I cant' find that option. It's either a 'Yes' or a 'No' |
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| 18:43.08 | Black_Prince | I guess YES will migrate to uuid's |
| 18:43.09 | Soothsayer | Update device disk IDs in system configuration? Yes / No |
| 18:43.19 | Black_Prince | Yes, that's it |
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| 18:44.36 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, ok, got that screen |
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| 18:44.51 | Soothsayer | basically, I should just go ahead with the automatic process right ? |
| 18:45.24 | Black_Prince | %lenny->squeeze |
| 18:45.36 | Soothsayer | yes |
| 18:45.45 | spal | since \x is not a valid escape sequence is it guaranteed that bash would interpret it as x? |
| 18:46.01 | spal | for example: echo \x\y prints xy. |
| 18:46.12 | Black_Prince | dselect lenny->squeeze |
| 18:46.13 | dselect | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 18:48.32 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, what if it prompts about some drivers which might not be there in the new version of the firmware |
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| 18:49.15 | Black_Prince | If unsure, paste your lspci -nn now and we'll check |
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| 18:53.42 | vlt | Hello. I installed xorg and Openoffice.org-impress. I found out how to run an X server: "DISPLAY=:0 startx". Then I can run OOo: "DISPLAY=:0 ooimpress my_presentation.odp". How can I run OOo in a window that's always on top of all other windows? Do I need a window manager? If yes which one would xou recommend? |
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| 18:54.48 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, ok wait.. the udev update process is on |
| 18:54.52 | Soothsayer | will run that command after it |
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| 18:58.53 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, here it is: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zpgxjq74 |
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| 19:01.58 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, I don't think that any of your devices require firmware |
| 19:03.23 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, so I should just go ahead? |
| 19:03.33 | Soothsayer | I just don't want my network card 'not-working' |
| 19:03.39 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, yes you can go ahead |
| 19:03.52 | wols | vlt: you already have a window manager. and why you do everything so complicated, I just don't understand. but it's your choice |
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| 19:04.24 | wols | Black_Prince: the ethernet controller needs non-free firmware |
| 19:04.42 | wols | Soothsayer: see what I just said to Black_Prince |
| 19:04.42 | Black_Prince | only D variant needs it |
| 19:04.49 | Black_Prince | his is B |
| 19:05.24 | Black_Prince | %r8169 |
| 19:05.24 | dselect | r8169 is a driver in the mainline Linux kernel supporting the Realtek RTL8169, RTL8168 and RTL8101 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>. |
| 19:06.08 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, thanks for that assurance! Running a dist-upgrade now |
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| 19:06.28 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, just to be sure, download firmware-realtek deb to your machine |
| 19:06.57 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, i already run the dist-upgrade.. it's going on |
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| 19:08.14 | wols | Soothsayer: then install it afterwards |
| 19:08.29 | Soothsayer | how exactly do I install it? |
| 19:08.57 | Black_Prince | his driver isn't listed in 'contents' http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek |
| 19:09.44 | Soothsayer | that means I don't need a driver right? |
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| 19:10.24 | Black_Prince | Driver is included in kernel, it is firmware we are talking about. I told you just to be sure download deb to your machine, and if necesary you can install it later with dpkg -i |
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| 19:11.12 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, i'm upgrading on a remote server through ssh. So if it doesn't reboot, then I can't install it later.. |
| 19:11.33 | Black_Prince | ouch |
| 19:11.39 | mamalujo | brilliant, w unstable packages, nvidia just worked! much better |
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| 19:13.47 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, plus there's software raid-1 on this one.. so I'm worried bout the GRUB upgrade. |
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| 19:14.04 | rhenani | wols: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) |
| 19:14.07 | rhenani | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 19:14.24 | rhenani | wols: that's my chipset |
| 19:14.50 | Black_Prince | rhenani, do lspci -nn | grep -i Net |
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| 19:16.47 | rhenani | Black_Prince: |
| 19:16.51 | rhenani | Black_Prince: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1049] (rev 03) |
| 19:16.54 | rhenani | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4230] (rev 61) |
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| 19:16.56 | thomasfuston | hmm to install only a package from sid in squeeze i have to use something like this "aptitude install packagename -t sid" ?? |
| 19:17.59 | Black_Prince | rhenani, firmware-iwlwifi is required for wireless, ethernet should work out of stock |
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| 19:18.19 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, rhenani: please tell me if anything is applicable to me. I'm a n00b to this part of linux |
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| 19:18.24 | kittonian | hi all |
| 19:18.28 | kittonian | i'm looking for an ldap server solution to run on an older linux box that has full compatibility with apple's os x address book. i need it to support all features of address book as well as have some way to admin it via a web browser if i need to access my contacts remotely (sort of like what the old netscape ldap server used to do) |
| 19:18.30 | rhenani | Black_Prince: so??? |
| 19:18.48 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, I am not familiar with raid |
| 19:19.00 | Black_Prince | rhenani, sorry I don't know what was your question anyways |
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| 19:22.06 | vlt_phone | wols: Hmm ... I don't want it complicated. I thought is was much easier. Just install xorg, ooimpress and then run it. When I have a window manager already how to start one program in a window that stays always on top? |
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| 19:25.13 | FransWillem | Hi, I had to replace my motherboard, and now debian won't boot anymore. Grub seems to be booting correctly, yet when debian tries to boot it says it can't find the root device. What would be the proper steps to troubleshoot and fix this problem ? |
| 19:25.38 | ompaul | what is the command to poke usb to check for a mountable disk? |
| 19:26.10 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: look at the "root=" line in grub.cfg or menu.lst |
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| 19:27.11 | FransWillem | vlt_phone: atm can't access anything, when it boots to debian it no longer seems to process keyboard input :/ |
| 19:27.19 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: I'd recommend using labels instead of device names |
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| 19:27.46 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: in grub press "e" |
| 19:28.03 | Soothsayer | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 19:28.07 | FransWillem | Hmmm, lemme check that :) |
| 19:28.19 | Soothsayer | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 19:29.15 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: and then add "rootdelay=1" to the "kernel ..." line |
| 19:29.58 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, anything to worry about after seeing those warnings again? |
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| 19:30.57 | Black_Prince | This is firmare-realtek package missing |
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| 19:31.43 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: Should drop you to an initramfs shell |
| 19:31.53 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, so ignore it ? |
| 19:32.09 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, install firmware package just to be sure |
| 19:32.42 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, where from and how do I do that? |
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| 19:32.47 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: "blkid" lists your devices then as seen by your kernel right now |
| 19:32.53 | Black_Prince | apt-get install firmware-realtek |
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| 19:33.23 | FransWillem | vlt_phone: Ah, thanks, got to the initramfs thing, will try blkid now :) |
| 19:33.41 | FransWillem | Seems to respond to PS/2 keyboard, just not usb |
| 19:34.29 | FransWillem | vlt_phone: Seem to have found the problem, blkid returns nothing, and ls /dev/sd* doesn't find anything either :/ |
| 19:35.18 | FransWillem | vlt_phone: Seems that the kernel doesn't recognize the drives, should I try and fix the kernel, or see if the bios has any other SATA modes ? |
| 19:35.41 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: Hmmm ... then your kernel has no clue how to talk to the hd ... |
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| 19:36.17 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: What kernel is this? |
| 19:36.46 | FransWillem | I believe 2.6.38-2 amd64 |
| 19:36.47 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, ok did so, now reboot? |
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| 19:37.03 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, reboot and pray |
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| 19:38.04 | FransWillem | vlt_phone: Yeah, 2.6.38-2 amd64, and even with bios sata mode set to AHCI it doesn't see any drives :/ |
| 19:38.27 | FransWillem | vlt_phone: Maybe the kernel was taylored to the motherboard/architecture? although I don't think I ever changed from the default one :/ |
| 19:39.06 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, should I run update-initramfs -u ? |
| 19:39.38 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, can't hurt, but I guess firmware install ran it already |
| 19:39.51 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: No, don't think that changes your kernel. |
| 19:40.26 | Black_Prince | My friend had to set sata mode to compatibility |
| 19:40.26 | FransWillem | vlt_phone: Anything I could do to fix it ? |
| 19:40.37 | Black_Prince | or smth like that ... to boot properly |
| 19:40.54 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: I'm out of ideas ... except downloading a live CD like grml.org and check agaim. |
| 19:41.02 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: it was set to IDE before, to AHCI now |
| 19:41.04 | FransWillem | vlt_phone: Isn |
| 19:41.12 | FransWillem | vlt_phone: Isn't the debian installer cd bootable too ? |
| 19:41.48 | Black_Prince | FransWillem, did you change anything in initramfs options? Like setting targeted kernel or? |
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| 19:42.02 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, ok, im about to reboot for sure now... all this better work :-P |
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| 19:42.16 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: Might have if the debian netinst testing installer permitted that option to be set I might've ticked it :/ |
| 19:43.03 | Black_Prince | FransWillem, installer prompts for that in expert mode |
| 19:43.08 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: Yes, try that first if you have one. Maybe you need to put another kernel module in initrd |
| 19:43.31 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: Sounds like something stupid I might've done :p |
| 19:43.49 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: Any idea what the quickest way to get it to install a generic kernel is ? |
| 19:44.11 | Black_Prince | boot up rescue disk, and update initramfs |
| 19:44.50 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: something like this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/RecoverBrokenDebianKernel ? |
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| 19:47.00 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, it reboooted! |
| 19:47.10 | Soothsayer | thats a lot for me! lol.. thanks :) |
| 19:47.11 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, congratulations |
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| 19:47.46 | vlt_phone | Any idea how to run a program in a window that stays always on top of others? |
| 19:48.34 | th0r | vlt_phone: well, in xfce StayOnTop is in the menu at the upper left corner of each window |
| 19:49.36 | vlt_phone | th0r: But then I'd need the program to run already. I want to start it in this mode already. |
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| 19:51.19 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, though mysql still not up.. resolving that. |
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| 19:52.05 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, there was something in /etc/mysql/my.cnf that should be commented out. check syslog for that |
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| 19:53.30 | FransWillem | vlt_phone,Black_Prince: rescue mode + update-initramfs -u -k all seemed to work partially, blkid now actually shows all devices and the ones I want, yet it insists it can't mount the root partition because it was not found (even though /dev/disk/by-uuid/... does exist), any ideas ? |
| 19:54.15 | arnoldB | I've a debian/apt-get/bash question. May you can find an answer. How can I check via apt-get if software xyz is installed or not? |
| 19:54.32 | Black_Prince | FransWillem, you should have re-run update-grub from rescue mode |
| 19:54.35 | Bushmills | arnoldB: why apt-get, and not dpkg? |
| 19:54.49 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, check if there are any log files in /var/lib/mysql |
| 19:54.53 | stew | arnoldB: you can't, but you could use apt-cache policy packagename or dpkg -l packagename |
| 19:55.25 | arnoldB | okay dpkg -l packagename is what I've looked for. thanks |
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| 19:57.47 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: Same problem, ran update-initramfs, update-grub (and grub actually updated, seeing as the windows option disappeared), but it still tells me that it can't mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/... |
| 19:58.22 | Black_Prince | FransWillem, what have you formated your partitions to? |
| 19:58.35 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: ext4 |
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| 19:59.13 | Black_Prince | FransWillem, check if there is /lib/modules/<kerne version>/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko via initramfs shell |
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| 19:59.38 | vlt_phone | FransWillem: Does the UUID in grub match the one from blkid? |
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| 20:00.41 | vchrizz | is it somehow possible to put applications like pidgin and vlc into tray only when minimized? i prefer to not have it on the task bar too if its in tray already.. in pidgin/vlc prefs i couldnt find any suiting option? |
| 20:00.42 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: nope, just nls and ntfs strangely :/ |
| 20:00.51 | Black_Prince | FransWillem, just as I suspected. |
| 20:01.09 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: So back to rescue mode I suppose ? |
| 20:01.15 | Black_Prince | FransWillem, reboot again into rescude mode, and in rescue shell edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and add a line ext4 and re run update-initramfs |
| 20:01.16 | adminewb | vchrizz, pidgin does that normally if you're running gnome desktop |
| 20:01.26 | vchrizz | adminewb: im on gnome |
| 20:01.57 | Black_Prince | vchrizz, just click on icon in notification area |
| 20:01.58 | adminewb | vchrizz if you check under your communication app status indicator, it should show up active |
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| 20:02.14 | vchrizz | adminewb: ah, sorry, i want to have vlc behave like exactly pidgin :) |
| 20:02.24 | adminewb | oh, not familiar with vlc |
| 20:02.51 | Black_Prince | vlc behaves same, clicking on icon in notification area removes it from taskbar and puts it in there |
| 20:03.10 | vchrizz | Black_Prince: true, lol ... didnt try that hah |
| 20:03.22 | vchrizz | thanks :) |
| 20:03.25 | Black_Prince | so does xchat, pidgin, rhythmbox ... etc |
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| 20:03.53 | vchrizz | i was wondering why it sits there in taskbar and tray when i minimized it :D |
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| 20:04.57 | vchrizz | maybe do you know if its possible not to display messaging windows from pidgin in task bar too? so i only have tray icons? |
| 20:05.20 | vchrizz | tray icons take less space on the screen ;) |
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| 20:05.42 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: Any idea how the ext4 module suddenly forgot to be included? disk has always been ext4 :/ |
| 20:06.17 | Black_Prince | FransWillem, if you set initrd to targeted, it adds modules currently loaded, and since you were in rescue session, it didn't add it :/ |
| 20:06.37 | Soothsayer | Black_Prince, everything back up! thanks for your help :) |
| 20:06.37 | Black_Prince | I think that ext4 module may be built-in in d-i kernel |
| 20:06.46 | Black_Prince | Soothsayer, congratulations again |
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| 20:09.57 | Bartzy | Hi, if backports repo is in my sources.list, and I do aptitude update + upgrade, stuff from squeeze-backports will upgrade ? Meaning regular packages, not originally from backports, will get updated from backports ? |
| 20:10.36 | Black_Prince | Bartzy, they won't be upgraded by default. |
| 20:10.41 | Bartzy | thanks. |
| 20:10.52 | Bartzy | if I change the pinning then they will, right ? |
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| 20:11.12 | Bartzy | and aptitude -t squeeze-backports upgrade - that means they will get upgraded ? Or only aptitude -t squeeze-backports install specific-package ? |
| 20:11.23 | Black_Prince | Bartzy, perhaps. I remember when I ran apt-get upgrade -t squeeze backports they offered an upgrade, otherwise not |
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| 20:13.21 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: Kept failing, in the end I did apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-amd64 and that got it booting again :) |
| 20:13.31 | FransWillem | Black_Prince: Now on to get the nvidia drivers working again :p |
| 20:13.40 | Black_Prince | FransWillem, good luck then |
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| 20:53.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | can someone recommand a repository to get more uptodate versions of pidgin for debian squeeze? |
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| 20:59.48 | Quibus | dpkg, start a programming language war |
| 20:59.56 | Quibus | hmm |
| 21:00.00 | Quibus | That used to work :P |
| 21:00.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | there are no easter eggs in this dpkg |
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| 21:00.34 | Quibus | dpkg: start a war |
| 21:00.37 | Quibus | darn |
| 21:00.41 | Quibus | what a loss! |
| 21:00.53 | Quibus | it was so funny :-) |
| 21:01.04 | SpeedyG | strange dutch guy ;P |
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| 21:01.12 | Quibus | !start a car war |
| 21:01.16 | Quibus | nope |
| 21:01.18 | Quibus | ah well |
| 21:01.20 | Quibus | see you later :P |
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| 21:01.52 | daemonkeeper | If he realized, dpkg isn't even here? |
| 21:01.52 | kingsley | I'd like to re-install safe copies of debian and applications on a compromised system. It seems to me that I'm not the first person confronted with this chore. Do any packages exist to make the re-installer's chore easier? |
| 21:02.46 | daemonkeeper | kingsley: Preseeding? Or use "dpkg --get-selections"? |
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| 21:04.21 | Iridos | I dont think he did |
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| 21:05.00 | Iridos | kingsley, although that's not what you asked for... have a look at debsums |
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| 21:06.14 | kingsley | daemon: Please elaborate on "Preseeding?". |
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| 21:06.49 | daemonkeeper | dselect: preseed |
| 21:06.49 | dselect | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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| 21:09.06 | Iridos | although... can you trust the md5sums? |
| 21:09.07 | BrixSat | hello |
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| 21:09.16 | BrixSat | i have a machine under severe atack |
| 21:09.43 | nyov | BrixSat: what kind of attack? |
| 21:09.49 | BrixSat | ddos (extreme udp flood) |
| 21:10.01 | kingsley | Iridos: Yes, I'm familiar with debsums. |
| 21:10.03 | BrixSat | if i turn that vps on all my 5 vps goe down :( |
| 21:10.14 | kingsley | daemonkeeper: Thanks for your thoughts. |
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| 21:11.06 | daemonkeeper | BrixSat: iptables -A INPUT -p UDP -j DROP. |
| 21:11.13 | sudoman | I'm trying to boot the debian installer from my hd using grub on an existing GNU/Linux partition. I followed the instructions here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.html.en#files-lilo but the iso is not found at boot. it doesn't say where to put it, so i just put it in the same directory. where should it actually go? thank you |
| 21:11.30 | daemonkeeper | BrixSat: If that's not good enough, ask your provider to blackhole you |
| 21:11.36 | nyov | daemonkeeper: :o that seems a bit dramatic if he's hosting other vps there |
| 21:11.50 | sudoman | I mean i put it in the same directory as vimlinuz and initrd.gz |
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| 21:12.12 | daemonkeeper | nyov: Unless he's running a DNS server there are very few reasons to accept UDP incoming. |
| 21:12.31 | BrixSat | daemonkeeper: i have asked the datacenter to block the atack on the router but it still bypasses, i would need a firewall but that is very expensive (500€ plus 10€ month) |
| 21:12.34 | daemonkeeper | nyov: After all, DDoS prevention is _always_ a compromise with collateral damage. |
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| 21:12.49 | nyov | daemonkeeper: ok, depending on systems. true on the second |
| 21:13.21 | Iridos | specially as... doesn't DNS go via udp? |
| 21:13.23 | ksx4system | is rtorrent on Debian repos compiled with XML-RPC support? |
| 21:13.25 | daemonkeeper | BrixSat: Why do you need a firewall? Do you need UDP? |
| 21:13.26 | nyov | BrixSat: iptables on the main box is a good firewall |
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| 21:13.42 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: Hence I said, unless he's running a DNS server. |
| 21:13.56 | BrixSat | no i dont (unless shoutcast uses udp) |
| 21:13.57 | daemonkeeper | nyov: Not really. A firewall on the host system is too late. |
| 21:14.16 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, well, or runs any programs on the server that have to do look-ups |
| 21:14.28 | Iridos | oh well... tired |
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| 21:14.35 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: ehm |
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| 21:14.36 | BrixSat | nyov: i have blocked udp on the main box but still it makes the machine not respond via network due to severe load on network |
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| 21:15.46 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: You can easily distinguish between outgoing traffic and incoming. I leave the rule as exercise to the reader, since tryring to solve this problem on the host system is poor in any case. |
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| 21:16.20 | simonlnu | ,versions xserver-xorg |
| 21:16.21 | judd | Package xserver-xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; sid: 1:7.6+7; wheezy: 1:7.6+7 |
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| 21:16.35 | daemonkeeper | BrixSat: This is what I was assuming. The packages still reach your host, before they can be dropped and are overwhelming your network line. |
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| 21:17.05 | BrixSat | daemonkeeper: bingo :) that is why i would need a firewall outside the machine |
| 21:17.22 | BrixSat | correctme if im wrong |
| 21:17.22 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, well, you only blocked incoming anyway, but the response is incoming and it's not trivial for udp, as it's not two-way... or so I thought |
| 21:17.45 | BrixSat | it is comming from an american vps, and my server is in germany |
| 21:18.06 | daemonkeeper | BrixSat: you don't need a real firewall. Ask your provider do blackhole your /32 UDP traffic. |
| 21:18.29 | daemonkeeper | BrixSat: If they tell you "we can't" go and look for another provider who can. |
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| 21:19.44 | simonlnu | ,versions initramfs-tools |
| 21:19.45 | judd | Package initramfs-tools on i386 -- lenny: 0.92o; lenny-backports: 0.94.4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.98.8; sid: 0.99; wheezy: 0.99 |
| 21:20.12 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: You still have a connection on the same UDP connection tuple, even though you can't safely assume this over the whole session like TCP. |
| 21:21.41 | simonlnu | does his own blackholing |
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| 21:21.55 | Iridos | hm, could be |
| 21:22.07 | kingsley | Is there a package that automatically emails the administrator once a newer and securer version of any package becomes available? If so, what's it called? |
| 21:22.16 | BrixSat | daemonkeeper: that is not that easy, change datacenter :( |
| 21:22.17 | ThatOtherPersonY | I'm attempting to install Debian from a hard drive partition. I can boot the hd-media vmlinuz kernel, but the user interface is split in half and very glitchy. What should I do? Also, how can I load the graphical installer? |
| 21:22.36 | daemonkeeper | BrixSat: It is. Don't trust your provider if he's insisting to tell you that. |
| 21:23.00 | daemonkeeper | BrixSat: Its _trivial_ to do this on their edge router. They just don't want. |
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| 21:23.50 | sudoman | ThatOtherPersonY: where did you put the iso file? I'm trying to do the same, but the file isn't being found |
| 21:24.34 | ThatOtherPersonY | sudoman: I put the iso file in the root directory, but I can't even see the interface of the installer. It's all messed up. |
| 21:25.29 | Iridos | it's pretty picky about the exact name of the iso image iirc, though |
| 21:25.32 | sudoman | ThatOtherPersonY: hm. did you download the iso for the right architecture? other than that, i'm not sure how i can help |
| 21:25.44 | antilect | Is debian best for servers? :) |
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| 21:25.49 | BrixSat | thanks daemonkeeper |
| 21:25.52 | antilect | Just a question of oppinion, and if so, why? |
| 21:26.11 | Iridos | antilect, you're asking in #debian, what answer do you expect :) |
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| 21:26.28 | ThatOtherPersonY | sudoman: I downloaded the ISO for i386, but my computer is i686. I'm assuming they're compatible? |
| 21:26.29 | sudoman | although i'm guessing it wouldn't even get that far if it were the wrong image |
| 21:26.34 | antilect | Overwhelming evidence :D |
| 21:26.38 | sudoman | ThatOtherPersonY: should be |
| 21:27.08 | wols | ThatOtherPersonY: yes. they're fine |
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| 21:29.18 | sudoman | ThatOtherPersonY: thanks for the tip. good luck |
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| 21:30.32 | ThatOtherPersonY | I just double checked the md5sums of the hd-media files I downloaded, and they're correct |
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| 21:31.52 | ThatOtherPersonY | I can't figure out how to get into Debian's graphical installer. |
| 21:33.15 | dvs | ThatOtherPersonY: I think you need a kde or gnome netinstall image to do that. |
| 21:33.36 | ThatOtherPersonY | dOoohh. |
| 21:33.44 | ThatOtherPersonY | Sorry about that |
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| 21:34.21 | ThatOtherPersonY | dvs: Thanks! |
| 21:34.26 | dvs | np |
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| 21:35.35 | ThatOtherPersonY | Does anyone have an idea why my installer screen is cut into pieces and put together in a different way (Sorry about the description, but it's all I can think of) |
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| 21:36.07 | Iridos | wrong resolution? |
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| 21:36.48 | th0r | ThatOtherPersonY: sounds like a problem I recently had. The system was set for a resolution higher than the monitor could provide |
| 21:37.22 | ThatOtherPersonY | The resolution isn't high at all, though. Do I have to do something to the GRUB configuration? |
| 21:38.04 | Breaking_Pitt | Hi someone knows wich is the repo for unattended upgrades in Debian Lenny? |
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| 21:38.23 | Breaking_Pitt | I'm using Debian lenny-security |
| 21:38.31 | Breaking_Pitt | but I'm not able to make it wok |
| 21:38.33 | simonlnu | the one where you upgrade to squeeze |
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| 21:38.50 | wm4 | where does "update-initramfs -k all" get the list of kernel versions? |
| 21:39.14 | Breaking_Pitt | simonlnu: sorry? |
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| 21:39.51 | simonlnu | ,versions unattended-upgrades |
| 21:39.52 | judd | Package unattended-upgrades on i386 -- lenny: 0.25.1debian1-0.1; squeeze: 0.62.2; sid: 0.72.3; wheezy: 0.72.3 |
| 21:40.16 | Breaking_Pitt | I have it installed but it didn't work |
| 21:40.29 | wm4 | I'm asking because "update-initramfs -u -k all" outputs messages like "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-rc6 does not exist. Cannot update." |
| 21:40.36 | simonlnu | !doesn't work |
| 21:40.44 | simonlnu | wm4: /var/lib/initramfs-tools/ |
| 21:40.55 | Breaking_Pitt | I was able to make it work in ubuntu :( but not in debian |
| 21:41.02 | simonlnu | where's dpkg? |
| 21:41.16 | simonlnu | Breaking_Pitt: one has nothing to do with the other |
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| 21:41.22 | Breaking_Pitt | I know |
| 21:41.25 | simonlnu | dselect: doesn't work |
| 21:41.25 | dselect | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 21:41.43 | Breaking_Pitt | but I thought that it will be easy to make it work in debian too :( |
| 21:41.49 | simonlnu | hey, panhandling can be a lot of work... |
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| 21:42.20 | jonez | simonlnu, and jailtime ;) |
| 21:42.39 | simonlnu | depends where you live |
| 21:42.49 | Breaking_Pitt | should it be configured with something like debian lenny-security? |
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| 21:43.10 | simonlnu | you should consider upgrading to squeeze |
| 21:43.39 | wm4 | simonlnu: thanks |
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| 21:44.14 | wm4 | also, apt-get seems to update only one kernel when some package installation triggers the initramfs to be updated |
| 21:44.25 | wm4 | and it's most time not the kernel that's currently running |
| 21:44.44 | wm4 | shouldn't it simply update all kernel versions? |
| 21:45.58 | valdyn | wm4: it does update all installed kernels |
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| 21:46.33 | wm4 | valdyn: it didn't do that here |
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| 21:46.51 | wm4 | i.e. update-initramfs -u -k all behaved differently |
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| 21:49.48 | fbh | ksplice.. worth it not? |
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| 21:55.24 | npoektop | i have a problem with reboot. I've just written $ reboot, it said going to init level 6, and that's all. I'm currently in the sixth sysv level. If i do reboot the second time, that will be hard reset. |
| 21:55.34 | npoektop | any way to fix that? |
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| 21:56.24 | npoektop | s/do reboot/write reboot/ |
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| 21:58.25 | npoektop | i have that problem since i installed ossec |
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| 22:02.24 | npoektop | if i do dpkg-reconfigure initscripts, is says insserv: warning: script 'K01ossec' missing LSB tags and overrides |
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| 22:13.22 | SparFux | Hi all! I experience frequent segfaults and want to rule out libc as the reason. How can I downgrade libc to some older version than 2.13-8 which is installed right now? |
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| 22:15.03 | wols | ,versions libc6 |
| 22:15.05 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; wheezy: 2.13-7; sid: 2.13-8 |
| 22:15.18 | wols | SparFux: short answer: you can't |
| 22:15.49 | SparFux | ok, thx. |
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| 22:16.23 | SparFux | is anybody running sid and having segfaults frequently? can you check "sudo grep -i segfault /var/log/kern.log*" please? |
| 22:16.37 | wols | SparFux: it's sid? wth do you expect? |
| 22:16.48 | wols | check in what programs those segfaults happen for a start |
| 22:17.03 | SparFux | wols: I don't really believe it's sid, but I am running out of ideas. |
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| 22:17.10 | SparFux | wols: it's different programs. |
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| 22:17.50 | wols | SparFux: did you mix debian branches or are you running a purse sid? |
| 22:17.52 | SparFux | wols: I rules out kernel, appears with 2.6.3[29] and 3.0.0-rc5. I rule out broken RAM, appears with any of my 4 banks installed. |
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| 22:17.53 | wols | *pure sid |
| 22:18.17 | SparFux | wols: hm... mixtures, that could be a thing. I would have to check. how can I check? |
| 22:18.37 | wols | look into your sources.list for a start |
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| 22:18.54 | SparFux | I put all kinds of stuff in my sources.list. |
| 22:18.57 | SparFux | then it's a mixture. |
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| 22:22.15 | unluckier | hi there |
| 22:23.10 | SparFux | hi unluckier |
| 22:23.30 | unluckier | I installed debian sid and tried to install eclipse-jdt but it seems apt doesn't find eclipse-platform |
| 22:23.39 | unluckier | am I doing something wrong? |
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| 22:24.32 | SparFux | wols: how can a mixed debian have such problems? |
| 22:24.59 | wols | !bobbitt |
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| 22:25.22 | wols | %bobbitt |
| 22:25.22 | dselect | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 22:25.23 | unluckier | in the sources-list I have only 'deb http:.. sid main contrib...' and deb-src sid |
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| 22:25.42 | wols | ,versions eclipse-jdt |
| 22:25.43 | judd | Package eclipse-jdt on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; wheezy: 3.5.2-9; sid: 3.5.2-10; experimental: 3.6.2~exp-1 |
| 22:25.56 | wols | ,versions eclipse-platform |
| 22:25.57 | judd | Package eclipse-platform on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; wheezy: 3.5.2-9; sid: 3.5.2-10; experimental: 3.6.2~exp-1 |
| 22:26.06 | wols | unluckier: the first thing you did wrong was installing sid |
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| 22:27.05 | gpa | hi guys, i want to ask something |
| 22:27.13 | unluckier | can't i install it just because I'm on sid? |
| 22:27.24 | SparFux | LOL |
| 22:27.37 | gpa | why can't i find my "last" one month ago? |
| 22:27.41 | wols | unluckier: no. you can't installed it cause you misconfigured your debian and don't know how to fix that. which means, sid is the wrong debian for you |
| 22:27.56 | wols | gpa: logrotated? |
| 22:28.00 | gpa | no |
| 22:28.07 | gpa | i didn't do that |
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| 22:28.19 | wols | gpa: you didn't do what? |
| 22:28.29 | gpa | logrotated |
| 22:28.45 | wols | %logrotate |
| 22:28.45 | dselect | extra, extra, read all about it, logrotate is a log rotation program that sings |
| 22:28.49 | wols | gpa: it's nothing you do |
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| 22:28.56 | wols | dselect: shuttup |
| 22:28.56 | dselect | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, wols |
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| 22:29.18 | wols | gpa: logrotate compresses, and deletes, old logs automatically |
| 22:29.27 | wm4 | would the new bi-arch stuff enable me to mix 32 bit and 64 bit packages on my installation? |
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| 22:29.38 | wols | wm4: that's the plan |
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| 22:30.29 | kingsley | How does the wise administrator strike a balance between a.) the added security of newer versions of exim4 against b.) the time and annoyance of understanding new exim4 configuration options? |
| 22:30.39 | wm4 | wols: is it still restricted to certain packages (such as libraries), or is it more general? |
| 22:31.10 | nyov | kingsley: installing postfix :> oops |
| 22:31.53 | SparFux | by doing "aptitude reinstall XXX' package XXX gets reinstalled, means all of its files get written to disk again, right? so if one file was corrupted, reinstall would fix it? |
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| 22:32.56 | nvictor | hey all |
| 22:33.09 | nvictor | how can i batch change files extensions in a directory? |
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| 22:33.20 | nvictor | i tried mv but it failed |
| 22:33.24 | nvictor | rename is also failing |
| 22:33.37 | wm4 | or where exactly can I find information on bi-arch |
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| 22:34.08 | wols | %multiarch |
| 22:34.08 | dselect | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. For further details see http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch http://lists.debian.org/20110627105453.GC31198@virgil.dodds.net |
| 22:34.25 | wm4 | thanks |
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| 22:34.40 | simonlnu | ah yes, forgot the % |
| 22:35.30 | wols | simonlnu: what is the trigger for apt btw? |
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| 22:35.50 | themill | ~slap wols |
| 22:35.50 | apt | ACTION slaps wols, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:36.03 | simonlnu | that ;) |
| 22:36.09 | wols | that were themill bit mitts! |
| 22:36.14 | wols | *big |
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| 22:36.36 | wols | !tell nvictor about ask |
| 22:36.53 | wols | ~tell nvictor about ask |
| 22:37.10 | themill | wols: dselect has an up to date database, apt certainly does not. |
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| 22:39.12 | nvictor | wols |
| 22:39.16 | wols | themill: look a the %logrotate above, dunno if I call that up to date or informative. apt has a much better factoid for it |
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| 22:40.55 | themill | wols: dselect has the same factoid as dpkg and for 99+% of the factoids that we use regularly, you want dpkg's information not apt's. apt won't even know what a wireless card is... let alone an nvidia driver... apt doesn't even know that lenny was a debian release. |
| 22:41.52 | streuner_ | We know already the pros and cons about the bots, tell us news |
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| 22:43.07 | public_ | anybody to use postgresql ? |
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| 22:43.20 | themill | wols: so please improve dpkg's factoid for logrotate next time he comes back. |
| 22:43.33 | themill | streuner_: so you do occasionally remember to use judd now, do you? |
| 22:43.34 | streuner_ | public_: please ask a detailed question |
| 22:43.45 | wols | but, but, but that's work! |
| 22:43.50 | streuner_ | themill: dont bother me with that! |
| 22:44.19 | streuner_ | public_: we need more details... |
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| 22:44.29 | wm4 | requesting the factoid for installing a new debian in a chroot (I know there is one) |
| 22:44.46 | themill | %debootstrap |
| 22:44.46 | dselect | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 22:44.53 | public_ | i try to make use of PITR with postgresql.. and when i start slave, it says my wall files are not the appropriate level.. minimal.. but when i check.. master is wal_level archive.. i don't really understand |
| 22:44.56 | themill | wm4: ^^ is that what you were looking for? |
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| 22:45.16 | wm4 | themill: exactly |
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| 22:49.02 | streuner_ | themill: most regulars just use the bot which is most useful for the needs, just have some patience |
| 22:50.30 | streuner_ | themill: apt was the bot in the past who everyone uses, but nowadays almost nobody use(ed) it today |
| 22:50.37 | george2_ | Hi. I have debian squeeze installed, form a debian-live iso. It doesnt come with synaptic, nor does it have synaptic in the repos. How should I go about getting synaptic? |
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| 22:50.58 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 22:51.10 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:51.16 | mark76 | Everytime I try to run fbpanel it tells me that it can't start plugin volume |
| 22:51.26 | george2_ | I tried aptitude install synaptic, but it can't find synaptic |
| 22:52.28 | wols | george2_: what's in your sources.list? |
| 22:52.35 | streuner_ | judd, versions synaptic |
| 22:52.36 | judd | Package synaptic on i386 -- lenny: 0.62.1+nmu1; squeeze: 0.70~pre1+b1; sid: 0.75.2; wheezy: 0.75.2 |
| 22:52.39 | luxor | hi here |
| 22:52.40 | george2_ | Where can I find that? |
| 22:52.50 | luxor | is there a way to install ushare on debian ? |
| 22:52.50 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.53 | luxor | i can't found it |
| 22:52.55 | george2_ | Ok |
| 22:52.58 | wols | ,versions ushare |
| 22:52.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ushare' was found in i386. |
| 22:53.12 | th0r | mark76: I had a very similar problem in xfce once. deleted the xfce4-panel info in ~/.config and that cured the problem, but I had to redefine the panel again as it returned it to defaults |
| 22:53.20 | wm4 | eh, debootstrap failed |
| 22:53.25 | luxor | i use this ushare under gentoo as upnp server... |
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| 22:53.41 | wm4 | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/new2/crap-root dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-8_amd64.deb |
| 22:53.49 | mark76 | I commented out the volume plugin. But I'd like to know what it was expecting |
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| 22:53.57 | wm4 | from a simple debootstrap --arch amd64 sid $MY_CHROOT http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ |
| 22:55.19 | simonlnu | luxor: apt-cache search upnp |
| 22:55.22 | george2_ | This is all it says. "deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot i386 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20110324-11:58]/ squeeze main" |
| 22:56.05 | luxor | simonlnu: well, i don't know witch one to choose, it's to share media to my samsund tv, dlna compatible |
| 22:56.15 | wm4 | this is the error I get with debootstrap: http://codepad.org/RFTgyk7e |
| 22:56.26 | luxor | ans mediatomb seems to not work for me :/ |
| 22:56.30 | george2_ | Shouldn't sources.list have sources in it? |
| 22:56.33 | wm4 | and I can't delete the libc so, because dpkg can't run then |
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| 22:57.10 | simonlnu | 'which' |
| 22:57.33 | luxor | sorry :p, i'm a french guy :D |
| 22:57.46 | streuner_ | loves french people |
| 22:58.23 | Bushmills | wm4: you may want to use the debootstrap which has been provided by your distribution, if there is any for it. |
| 22:58.41 | wm4 | Bushmills: well I'm running debian sid... |
| 22:59.34 | Bushmills | i couldn't find any package owning a directory /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 22:59.36 | george2_ | Aptitude says apt is installed, but bash says "apt: command not found" |
| 22:59.55 | george2_ | Oh duh. |
| 22:59.58 | george2_ | Nevermind |
| 23:00.14 | wm4 | Bushmills: I assume that's happening inside the chroot, which was empty before I called debootstrap |
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| 23:00.49 | george2_ | What's the apt command to add a repo? |
| 23:00.54 | Bushmills | never mind - there is, apparently |
| 23:00.59 | wm4 | so I guess bootstrapping is simply broken in sid at the moment |
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| 23:01.19 | streuner_ | george2_: just read man sources.list |
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| 23:01.32 | Bushmills | "upgrade the C library" ? why would that happen? |
| 23:01.45 | streuner_ | george2_: or /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 23:01.47 | Bushmills | you debootstrap to an empty directory. |
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| 23:02.00 | wm4 | Bushmills: *shrug* |
| 23:02.39 | streuner_ | george2_: but just comment the line with your CDROM out and use something via internet |
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| 23:02.55 | george2_ | Is that what that is? |
| 23:02.58 | george2_ | Oh |
| 23:03.36 | george2_ | That explains a few things... |
| 23:03.43 | Bushmills | wm4: "happening inside the chroot" ? you'd debootstrap to an empty dir before chrooting to it. |
| 23:03.51 | streuner_ | yep, the CDROM line is just outdated |
| 23:04.02 | wm4 | Bushmills: I did exactly as outlined in http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 23:04.13 | wm4 | I only chose a different root path |
| 23:04.49 | Bushmills | "choose" or created a new directory for it? |
| 23:05.15 | wm4 | Bushmills: created with mkdir |
| 23:05.52 | simonlnu | ohnoez, mkdir! |
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| 23:06.16 | apofis | yo yo yo, good evening :) |
| 23:06.32 | Bushmills | well, either you failed to create a new, empty dir to debootstrap to, or sid's debootstrap has some sort of a glitch right now |
| 23:06.37 | george2_ | Err... How do I get the thing to connect to the internet? |
| 23:06.39 | wm4 | and according to packages.debian.org, only the package libcs should contain that file |
| 23:06.52 | apofis | I wanna ask if it's possible to make a direct upgrade from Debian Etch (4.0) to Squeeze (6.0) |
| 23:07.03 | streuner_ | george2_: if you have a working internet connection already? |
| 23:07.09 | george2_ | Yeahh |
| 23:07.14 | apofis | anybody of you already makde such stuff ? |
| 23:07.20 | george2_ | Just need a connection wizard or something |
| 23:07.24 | streuner_ | george2_: apitutde/apt update |
| 23:07.25 | ix | apofis: Not supported. You should go via all the newer releases incrementally. |
| 23:07.26 | apofis | ~made |
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| 23:07.37 | simonlnu | apofis: possible, but better to jump to lenny. the packages are set up so that dist upgrades are from one immediate to the other |
| 23:07.47 | demon | anybody familiar enough with ifupdown to know if there's a way to specify a default for a parameter? |
| 23:07.52 | apofis | @ix so first to 50 and than to 6.0 |
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| 23:07.58 | apofis | 5.0 |
| 23:07.59 | streuner_ | george2_: just fix interfaces |
| 23:07.59 | ix | apofis: Right. :-) |
| 23:08.08 | apofis | @ix: damn it |
| 23:08.27 | george2_ | Nothing wrong with my interfaces, unless vbox is set up wrong somehow |
| 23:08.46 | apofis | @ix: I just got some "new" machine with Debian 4.0 on the board :/ |
| 23:09.11 | george2_ | No, eth0 has an IP. Must be a vbox issue |
| 23:10.18 | Bushmills | george2_: try dhclient eth0 - chances are that things like gateway, name server or such haven't been set up |
| 23:10.31 | ix | apofis: I know, it's a hassle. I have to do two more boxes at work after sick leave. |
| 23:10.51 | george2_ | I forgot to let the virtualbox connect to the internet. |
| 23:11.00 | george2_ | Should be fixed now... |
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| 23:12.10 | simonlnu | yeh, re: not supported. you're not gonna get any help if you do it backasswards ;) |
| 23:13.13 | wm4 | oh god why is busybox dynamically linked |
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| 23:13.27 | wm4 | isn't that completely against the point |
| 23:13.50 | Bushmills | busybox-static |
| 23:13.51 | wm4 | ah there's an extra package for static |
| 23:13.56 | wm4 | grr |
| 23:14.16 | mrtnt1 | Am I correct, that for example if "aptitude search gawk" shows "i" as a firs character(it means gawk is installed), aptitude actually calls "dpkg -s" in order to understand if gawk is actually locally installed? In addition, do apt-get/cache support such feature or should I always use dpkg in order to see, weather an application is installed or not? |
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| 23:14.25 | streuner_ | just do if for youself, in Debian almost all is dynamic linked |
| 23:14.38 | Bushmills | it may be totally against the point when you install a dynamically linked version instead of the statically linked one if you need the latter |
| 23:15.17 | streuner_ | usually there is really no need for static stuff |
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| 23:16.16 | Bushmills | he's running sid, and seems to have some probs with libraries :) |
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| 23:16.38 | streuner_ | seems like a bobbitt problem then :-P |
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| 23:17.03 | wm4 | oh god |
| 23:17.14 | Bushmills | lorena "where are the scissors" kind of? |
| 23:17.18 | wm4 | "busybox dpkg -i var/cache/apt/archives/*deb" just segfaults |
| 23:17.26 | george2_ | Still no luck. I may have to run it through a proxy on my real computer. |
| 23:17.27 | wm4 | there goes the plan |
| 23:17.31 | streuner_ | Bushmills: hehe :-) |
| 23:17.41 | wm4 | why are basic utilities dynamically linked? that's so wrong |
| 23:18.09 | streuner_ | nothing |
| 23:18.17 | wm4 | time to visit OFTC I guess... |
| 23:18.30 | streuner_ | good luck |
| 23:18.38 | Bushmills | wm4: imagine a security fix in a library, used by many programs |
| 23:18.40 | streuner_ | we are there too ;-) |
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| 23:19.45 | spersaud | how do I display Japanese characters ? |
| 23:19.51 | spersaud | whats the char set ? |
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| 23:20.03 | streuner_ | wm4: i hadnt any problems with dynamic links in sid, but tell us more in OFTC ;-) |
| 23:20.15 | wm4 | done |
| 23:20.27 | Rusty1 | does the testing netinst install grub2 ? |
| 23:20.31 | wm4 | streuner_: the problem is that dynamical linking is very fragile |
| 23:20.52 | wm4 | <Bushmills> wm4: imagine a security fix in a library, used by many programs |
| 23:21.04 | wm4 | Bushmills: example? give me one that affects base libraries |
| 23:21.59 | streuner_ | wm4: if you talking about that, you are talking about apps which arent in Debian? |
| 23:22.12 | wm4 | streuner_: huh? |
| 23:22.31 | streuner_ | sure, otherwise you wont get almost any problems |
| 23:23.10 | Rusty1 | mrtnt1: apt-cache policy <packagename> ? |
| 23:23.12 | wm4 | for binary only programs (like commercial software), static linking is even better |
| 23:24.29 | mrtnt1 | Rusty1: thanks! |
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| 23:26.35 | george2_ | Ok, I got it. |
| 23:26.43 | george2_ | Thanks for your help |
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| 23:28.37 | george2_ | I would never have figured out that the sources.list was set up to use the CD |
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| 23:29.10 | streuner_ | its default |
| 23:29.50 | george2_ | I'm used to pacman now anyway. |
| 23:29.59 | streuner_ | live CDs just use the own CDROM/DVD as sources, but you are able to change that quickly |
| 23:30.20 | george2_ | I did install it though |
| 23:30.25 | george2_ | Not just run it live |
| 23:30.54 | streuner_ | its just an entry in your sources.list |
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| 23:31.47 | streuner_ | those install/Live CDs/DVDs just set that in your sources.list, you have have to alter/change it afterwards |
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| 23:32.06 | george2_ | I've never had to do that for any other distro |
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| 23:37.16 | george2_ | Nice selection of forensics tools in the repo. Too bad scalpel is version 1.6, instead of 2.0 |
| 23:37.56 | streuner_ | judd, versions scalpel |
| 23:37.56 | judd | Package scalpel on i386 -- lenny: 1.60-1; sid: 1.60-1; squeeze: 1.60-1; wheezy: 1.60-1 |
| 23:38.09 | streuner_ | hm... |
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| 23:39.27 | streuner_ | george2_: its not even in experimental, but you should be able to make a backport (it its really important) via simple sid backport |
| 23:39.44 | george2_ | ... Sorry? |
| 23:39.48 | george2_ | You lost me there |
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| 23:40.26 | streuner_ | george2_: why do you need 2.0? |
| 23:40.40 | george2_ | It's way better than 1.6 |
| 23:40.57 | george2_ | Faster, better recovery rates, GPU stuff, etc |
| 23:41.07 | george2_ | I can make it myself from sources |
| 23:41.19 | wm4 | "it#s not in debian? oh you don't need it" |
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| 23:41.58 | george2_ | I had to compile it for my last distro. It's really not a big deal- just thought I'd mention it |
| 23:42.09 | streuner_ | george2_: Debian is always very good for compile stuff |
| 23:42.31 | lapsusbrutus | whats a fast way to check screen resolution from cli) |
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| 23:42.40 | george2_ | Al I have to do is "make" "make install" :) |
| 23:42.50 | streuner_ | lapsusbrutus: xrandr? |
| 23:42.56 | streuner_ | why not? |
| 23:43.09 | lapsusbrutus | ill try that |
| 23:43.12 | lapsusbrutus | thanks |
| 23:43.13 | streuner_ | george2_: or you make your own deb |
| 23:43.37 | george2_ | How do I do that? |
| 23:43.41 | streuner_ | george2_: but you have no support at all then |
| 23:44.01 | streuner_ | george2_: debian/rules is available |
| 23:44.03 | george2_ | That's ok |
| 23:44.18 | george2_ | Is that a man page, or what? |
| 23:44.26 | streuner_ | nah |
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| 23:44.55 | streuner_ | with any debian/rules you are able to make a deb quickly |
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| 23:45.25 | george2_ | I'm not sure what debian/rules is |
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| 23:47.17 | george2_ | I just need to install debhelper? |
| 23:48.53 | george2_ | Oh well. I'll figure it out someday, if i get the time. |
| 23:49.00 | streuner_ | debhelper is just a program which helps you to configure |
| 23:49.00 | george2_ | Thanks again for your help |
| 23:49.14 | streuner_ | but it doesnt make packages |
| 23:50.13 | george2_ | I'll get there. I've gotta go now, though. |
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| 23:50.23 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to install additional software in rescue mode? (I don't want to install it on the harddisk, but use it while in rescue mode). Thanks. |
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