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| 00:05.50 | dvs | uh oh |
| 00:06.21 | kittonian | anyone know of a working sarge mirror for apt? |
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| 00:09.28 | kittonian | never mind. found one |
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| 00:13.40 | gNewPower | Good evening! I am running Debian testing for the first time. How difficult/safe would it be for me to change the hostname (just changing the first letter to a capital case)? thanks! |
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| 00:14.23 | cusco | gNewPower: very easy |
| 00:14.30 | cusco | edit /etc/hostname file |
| 00:15.09 | cusco | then hostname new-hostname |
| 00:15.14 | cusco | then re-login |
| 00:15.16 | cusco | :) |
| 00:15.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | i doubt it'll appear uppercase anyware |
| 00:15.42 | cusco | I recon it does |
| 00:16.05 | gNewPower | sorry, I don't have a file /etc/hostname |
| 00:16.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | gNewPower: o.0 |
| 00:16.39 | gNewPower | Kamping_Kaiser, uh? |
| 00:16.41 | dvs | baloney! |
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| 00:16.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | gNewPower: you're not running a unix like system :p |
| 00:17.28 | gNewPower | my bad |
| 00:17.31 | gNewPower | sorry |
| 00:17.38 | gNewPower | is really embarrased now :-( |
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| 00:18.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | gNewPower: /etc/hostname has to exist on a debian host, or you broke it badly |
| 00:18.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | gNewPower: ditto /etc/hosts |
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| 00:19.36 | gNewPower | ok. found it, changed it. do I need to logout, or reboot or anything else? |
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| 00:20.39 | gNewPower | Kamping_Kaiser, I cannot open a terminal anymore |
| 00:20.54 | gNewPower | I guess the hostname change messed something up |
| 00:21.10 | gNewPower | do I need to edit /etc/hosts too? |
| 00:21.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | you know... you should really understand the implications beore breaking networking :| |
| 00:21.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | gNewPower: you're running gnome? |
| 00:21.40 | gNewPower | yes |
| 00:21.41 | gNewPower | gnome |
| 00:21.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | gNewPower: yes, you need to edit hosts too |
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| 00:21.51 | cusco | yes edit /etc/hosts too |
| 00:21.55 | gNewPower | shit, I cannot open a terminal anymore |
| 00:22.07 | cusco | what did you do? |
| 00:22.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | gNewPower: gnome doesn't like having the hostname half changed under it |
| 00:22.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | gNewPower: try launching xterm |
| 00:22.28 | gNewPower | I ctrl+alt=F3 |
| 00:22.33 | gNewPower | got a terminal |
| 00:22.40 | gNewPower | will edit /etc/hosts now |
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| 00:23.35 | gNewPower | I edit the two lines at the top with the original names, right? |
| 00:24.35 | gNewPower | ok, my terminals are still not opening. |
| 00:24.37 | cusco | normally in /etc/hosts there is a line with 127.0.1.1 TAB <hostname> |
| 00:24.43 | gNewPower | cusco, yep |
| 00:24.45 | gNewPower | changed that |
| 00:24.48 | cusco | ok |
| 00:24.54 | cusco | and /etc/hostname ? |
| 00:25.02 | gNewPower | byt my terminals are not opening, how do I tell GNOME to re-read it all? |
| 00:25.06 | gNewPower | cusco, yes |
| 00:25.11 | gNewPower | shall I log out? |
| 00:25.21 | gNewPower | and back in? |
| 00:25.23 | cusco | and set hostname with hostname command ? |
| 00:25.35 | gNewPower | nope, I just edited the file with nano |
| 00:25.37 | cusco | hostname <hostname> |
| 00:25.40 | cusco | do that first |
| 00:25.43 | cusco | as root |
| 00:25.44 | gNewPower | ok |
| 00:25.47 | gNewPower | ok |
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| 00:26.13 | gNewPower | done |
| 00:26.16 | cusco | now |
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| 00:26.36 | gNewPower | still cannot open a terminal in GNOME |
| 00:27.01 | gNewPower | nautilus file manager down too |
| 00:27.01 | ksx4system | is it possible to make rtgui actually work under Debian with lighttpd? |
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| 00:27.27 | cusco | gNewPower: in tty3 : /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:27.31 | gNewPower | ok |
| 00:27.32 | cusco | (if you're using gdm) |
| 00:27.37 | gNewPower | yes, gdm3 |
| 00:27.40 | cusco | that should get you trough |
| 00:27.40 | gNewPower | will do |
| 00:28.50 | gNewPower | cusco, it all worked like a charm, thanks for the help |
| 00:29.10 | gNewPower | thinks that the Debian community on this IRC is *very* helpful and friendly to noobs "-) |
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| 00:29.48 | cusco | lol |
| 00:29.59 | gNewPower | just for my own info. would just doing hostname <hostname> && /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart been enough, or must one also edit the files by hand? |
| 00:30.00 | cusco | no problem, i'm a noob myself :) |
| 00:30.24 | cusco | gNewPower: that would be enough until next restart I guess |
| 00:30.35 | gNewPower | thinks that some not-quite-so-noobs are too modest |
| 00:30.40 | cusco | hosts file would not be changed that needed to be changed |
| 00:30.49 | cusco | not sure about hostname file tho |
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| 00:31.02 | gNewPower | cusco, so now I am set, these changes are permanent? |
| 00:31.10 | cusco | yes |
| 00:31.18 | cusco | can you ping your hostname? |
| 00:31.22 | cusco | ping <hostname> |
| 00:31.39 | gNewPower | one sec |
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| 00:32.57 | ksx4system | is it possible to make rtgui actually work under Debian with lighttpd? |
| 00:33.27 | gNewPower | cusco, yes, pings fine. I also rebooted - no problems |
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| 00:34.27 | cusco | set to go gNewPower |
| 00:34.39 | gNewPower | thanis cusco |
| 00:34.42 | gNewPower | thanks cusco |
| 00:34.50 | gNewPower | cusco, are you from Cuzco in Peru? |
| 00:35.07 | gNewPower | thinks, or was it Bolivia... |
| 00:35.39 | cusco | ksx4system: does generic php works on lighthttpd? |
| 00:36.19 | gNewPower | is anybody running testing here? |
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| 00:37.37 | jhutchins | gNewPower: See #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 00:38.08 | gNewPower | thanks jhutchins ! |
| 00:38.18 | ksx4system | cusco: php works via fcgi only but i already solved problem with rtgui |
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| 00:38.36 | cusco | ok. how did you do it? |
| 00:38.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | With the newly released 6.0.2.1 updated ISO images. What does the .1 indicate? |
| 00:40.53 | gnarface | LinuxGuy2009: extra fiber |
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| 00:41.36 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: the changelog says why |
| 00:42.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Where is the changelog? |
| 00:42.50 | Coweater | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ChangeLog |
| 00:42.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | thanks |
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| 00:45.34 | gNewPower | thanks everybody, good nite! |
| 00:46.07 | kingsley | What do you do when the "host" command reports "<ip-address> does not exist, try again"? |
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| 00:47.57 | teratorn | how can I tell which point release I am running? /etc/issue shows 6.0 |
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| 00:52.08 | Tramp | teratorn: /etc/debian_version, I think |
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| 00:53.04 | cusco | teratorn: so u're probably running 6.0 |
| 00:53.20 | cusco | teratorn: look at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 00:53.22 | cusco | oops |
| 00:53.23 | cusco | teratorn: look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:53.30 | teratorn | ah, 6.0.1 |
| 00:53.36 | teratorn | in debian_version |
| 00:53.45 | cusco | its squeeze anyway |
| 00:53.56 | teratorn | my update-manager is totally busted |
| 00:54.10 | teratorn | python consumes 100% cpu after I enter root password |
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| 00:55.08 | teratorn | so I thought oh hey I'll debug it - I'll run it with python-dbg, connect with gdb and get a python stack trace - but no |
| 00:55.15 | Tramp | yw |
| 00:55.37 | teratorn | ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt_pkg.so: undefined symbol: Py_InitModule4_64 |
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| 01:44.29 | adminewb | if I attach to wheezy repos just for access to binary "xfce4" 4.8.0.2 desktop and its core dependents to install on squeeze, then remove it... will I corrupt my dpkg database or otherwise regret it? |
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| 01:45.10 | adminewb | are those built for different kinds of kernels? |
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| 01:49.02 | coruja | adminewb, it should do fine usually, but you should know how to downgrade again if something breaks |
| 01:49.23 | coruja | adminewb, maybe you want also read about 'apt pinning' |
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| 01:50.02 | coruja | +to |
| 01:50.46 | coruja | adminewb, and do you know the debian backports? |
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| 01:53.21 | adminewb | coruja, thanks for reminder about backports |
| 01:54.09 | adminewb | will look into that and pinning |
| 01:55.34 | adminewb | appears that xfce4 is not on squeeze-backports |
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| 01:59.32 | coruja | adminewb, then i recommend reading about apt pinning |
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| 02:06.37 | lotus-blade | is anyone good with setting up multi monitor systems? |
| 02:07.57 | lotus-blade | I am trying to get my radeon card to work now after finally getting my nvidia card to work |
| 02:08.23 | lotus-blade | right now all I have is the blank black screen |
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| 02:21.55 | mozaix | hello |
| 02:21.58 | Nikyo | a question, when I install new packages for apt-get, why do I need the Debian disc in my cd drive? |
| 02:22.38 | craigevil | Nikyo, comment the cd/dvd line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:22.44 | mozaix | i have two computer one is on windows and one is on debian, how to join them in workgroup and share hard drive |
| 02:23.48 | Nikyo | @craigevil Thank You! |
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| 02:24.16 | mozaix | i have two computer one is on windows and one is on debian, how to join them in workgroup and share hard drive |
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| 02:25.18 | mozaix | why no 1 is helping |
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| 02:26.27 | ujjain | u can use samba, |
| 02:26.36 | ujjain | it should ask for configuration |
| 02:26.38 | ujjain | and ask for workgroup |
| 02:26.39 | adminewb | mozaix if you haven't patience to wait for an expert maybe you'd settle for this: afaik, workgroup is not a protocol that translates to the linux world. Maybe you should look into Samba |
| 02:26.48 | Fudge | !pulseaudio |
| 02:28.13 | mozaix | samba is where in windows or debain? |
| 02:28.22 | adminewb | both |
| 02:28.51 | mozaix | is samba already installed in debain packagage? |
| 02:29.15 | adminewb | it's available in repos |
| 02:29.19 | abrotman | google "sharing files debian windows" ? |
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| 02:29.33 | mozaix | repos?? |
| 02:30.03 | adminewb | debian updates itself and acquires new packages from a system of repositories |
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| 02:30.53 | mozaix | abrotman google file sharing?? what is that |
| 02:31.15 | mozaix | get it now |
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| 02:32.55 | Fudge | what is a bpo kernel? linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-all |
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| 02:44.07 | Fudge | how can i find the sid-backports repo address? |
| 02:44.25 | abrotman | no such thing |
| 02:44.40 | Fudge | oh, not backports, to add testing sid repo |
| 02:44.46 | Fudge | think thats what i mean |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | ah, you don't do that |
| 02:45.44 | Fudge | isnt that what people do if they want some later packages from testing, and pin the repo? |
| 02:46.15 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 02:46.28 | Fudge | it hasnt come back |
| 02:46.30 | Fudge | :( |
| 02:46.46 | abrotman | %sid |
| 02:46.48 | dselect | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 02:46.52 | Bushmills | sid isn't testing |
| 02:47.47 | nsadmin | Fudge, they'd be taking a risk, since whatever it is hasn't been fully tested |
| 02:47.59 | Fudge | my aim is to installl a 2.6.38 or 2.6.39 kernel and mangler |
| 02:48.20 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 02:48.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (3.0.0~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 02:48.27 | Fudge | so that i dont have to rebuild speakup-source when a new kernel is shipped |
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| 02:48.58 | Fudge | i can see a 2.6.39-bpo kernel in squeeze backports but i dont know what bpo is loL |
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| 02:49.17 | nsadmin | backports.org |
| 02:49.31 | Fudge | oh cool thanks :D |
| 02:49.40 | nsadmin | BackPorts.Org |
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| 02:54.25 | Fudge | %pulseaudio |
| 02:54.25 | dselect | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:55.09 | Fudge | is that the default sound server with debian? |
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| 03:05.56 | acx0 | I have this weird problem where when I open up a virtual terminal (ctrl-alt-f1), I have to hit every key twice for it to appear once, any ideas? |
| 03:07.49 | jmarsden | acx0: Sounds like some other process is already reading from that pseudo-tty. Kill that other process, or use a different pseudo-tty for your virtual terminal. |
| 03:10.24 | acx0 | jmarsden, I think that's it; I tried tty2 and it works fine; thanks |
| 03:10.36 | jmarsden | acx0: You're welcome. |
| 03:10.41 | ksx4system | how do I make htpasswd auth on single directory with lighttpd? i'm not using any vhosts |
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| 03:20.32 | boudiccas | ,versions bluefish |
| 03:20.33 | judd | Package bluefish on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.7-5; squeeze: 2.0.1-1; sid: 2.0.3-1; wheezy: 2.0.3-1 |
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| 03:37.11 | cesurasean | hey guys. I can't restart apache because socket is in use, and when i look at processes i get this; root@ata-webserver:/etc/apache2/sites-available# ps aux | grep apache2 |
| 03:37.13 | cesurasean | root 749 0.0 0.0 7544 844 pts/0 S+ 20:31 0:00 grep apache2 |
| 03:37.13 | cesurasean | www-data 15264 97.4 0.0 201916 3996 ? R 16:39 226:09 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
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| 03:37.36 | cesurasean | ive tried killing the pid, or restarting the entire server and the process does not go away? |
| 03:37.48 | cesurasean | ive even tried remove apache2 and reinstalling |
| 03:37.50 | cesurasean | any ideas? |
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| 03:38.13 | wols_ | is this apache2 which already listens on port 80? |
| 03:38.30 | cesurasean | yes |
| 03:38.38 | cesurasean | for some reason the pid won't die |
| 03:38.44 | wols_ | %enter |
| 03:38.46 | dselect | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 03:39.00 | wols_ | what is the parent process for it? |
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| 03:39.12 | cesurasean | excuse me? |
| 03:39.18 | cesurasean | i don't understand your question. |
| 03:39.22 | wols_ | !enter |
| 03:39.35 | wols_ | what is the parent process for this apache2? |
| 03:39.49 | cesurasean | ok |
| 03:39.58 | cesurasean | for example, i removed and purged apache2 |
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| 03:40.04 | wols_ | %enter |
| 03:40.06 | dselect | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 03:40.18 | cesurasean | but when i do ps aux | grep apache2, i see a process running for /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 03:40.33 | wols_ | *sigh* sunday |
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| 03:41.16 | cesurasean | i removed and purged apache2 and still see this is ps aux ; www-data 1528 78.0 0.0 201796 3984 ? R 20:39 0:26 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
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| 03:48.17 | cesurasean | i removed and purged apache2 and still see this is ps aux ; www-data 1528 78.0 0.0 201796 3984 ? R 20:39 0:26 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 03:48.20 | cesurasean | can someone help me? |
| 03:53.37 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:57.31 | Rusty1 | cesurasean: i would kill the original process, but ask on #httpd |
| 03:58.01 | cesurasean | the process won't die, even with reboots |
| 04:02.44 | Fudge | are there legal restrictions in shipping firmware drivers in some countries? |
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| 04:03.55 | Fudge | %firmware |
| 04:03.56 | dselect | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 04:05.19 | wols_ | many firmware has no clear license at all, at which point copyright forbids distribution, yes |
| 04:05.56 | wols_ | and debian itself has the DFSG which firmwares need to adhere to, otherwise debian cannot ship these files |
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| 04:08.12 | nsadmin | you might as well say s/cannot/willnot/ |
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| 04:17.03 | wols_ | the same way I can say I cannot murder nsadmin. or should it only be "willnoet"? |
| 04:18.04 | nsadmin | if you murder me, I'll murder you back! |
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| 04:22.50 | Fudge | loL |
| 04:22.58 | Fudge | anyone having trouble with ftp.au.debian.org |
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| 04:24.58 | Fudge | 101 connection is unreachable |
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| 04:28.29 | wols_ | works fine here |
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| 04:33.59 | Fudge | must be me loL |
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| 04:34.21 | Fudge | im puzzled, i installed linux-image.xxx-all and i have 486 686 amd64, does that mean its a multiarch system? |
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| 04:37.18 | Fudge | linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-all |
| 04:38.26 | Parsifal | Fudge: As the package name suggests, linux-headers contains the header files, not the binary image |
| 04:38.30 | Parsifal | It's not architecture-specific |
| 04:38.52 | Fudge | oh yeah right i understand, thanks mate |
| 04:38.54 | Fudge | :D |
| 04:39.07 | Fudge | if u install the linux-image the headers will be dependencies? |
| 04:40.06 | Parsifal | I don't remember off the top of my head. You shouldn't need the headers to use the image, unless you want to build kernel modules or something. |
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| 04:40.48 | Fudge | cool, thank you again |
| 04:40.57 | shazbotmcnasty | hey, I have an issue with browsers - when I hit the "a" key it sends me back to my home page, in chromium and iceweasel |
| 04:41.14 | shazbotmcnasty | I've uninstalled chromium, I've disabled all add-ons in both browsers |
| 04:41.19 | shazbotmcnasty | updated them both |
| 04:41.27 | shazbotmcnasty | i have no clue why this is happening |
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| 04:44.51 | inference | hi, so.. i have debian squeeze kernel, in this distro called zenix |
| 04:45.09 | inference | i have been viewing sites that have a lot of japanese... |
| 04:45.20 | inference | and would like to install support for japanese characters.. |
| 04:45.33 | inference | would anyone be able to assist me in how to go about this? |
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| 04:46.13 | Fudge | my friend installed the debian im working on, he said it was i386 but uname -a says amd64. is that possible or is he mistaken |
| 04:46.37 | Fudge | inference i do not know, but wuold the isocodes for japan help you? |
| 04:46.47 | inference | hmm.. probably |
| 04:47.04 | centHOGG | bones in that sausage |
| 04:47.05 | inference | all i see are the big square deals |
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| 04:53.40 | dreamer | ~, |
| 04:53.40 | apt | it has been said that , is there a quick fix ? |
| 04:54.00 | dreamer | heh |
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| 04:59.02 | dreamer | anyway, on upgrading fresh squeeze install: http://pastebin.com/fcxN315U |
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| 04:59.54 | ex-parrot | any reason why debian seems to default to using pam_unix.so instead of pam_unix2.so ? |
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| 05:04.03 | DarkJuju | -bash: ./kaillerasrv: No such file or directory anyone knows the problem? (btw ./kaillerasrv exists) |
| 05:04.44 | ex-parrot | DarkJuju: is the file executable? |
| 05:04.50 | DarkJuju | yes |
| 05:05.07 | ex-parrot | is the executable bit set on it? |
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| 05:05.18 | DarkJuju | -rwxr-xr-x 1 juju2143 juju2143 72392 Feb 15 2002 kaillerasrv |
| 05:05.34 | DarkJuju | 755'd it seems |
| 05:07.06 | ex-parrot | can you run ldd against it? |
| 05:07.11 | ex-parrot | you might find you're missing a library it needs |
| 05:07.20 | DarkJuju | not a dynamic executable |
| 05:07.44 | ex-parrot | built for 64 bit on a 32 bit system or vice versa? |
| 05:07.46 | simonlnu | try cd . then run it again |
| 05:08.14 | DarkJuju | nope. |
| 05:08.31 | DarkJuju | yeah that would be possible, |
| 05:08.31 | simonlnu | is the hashbang correct? |
| 05:08.41 | DarkJuju | simonlnu, it's a binary |
| 05:08.59 | ex-parrot | if you run file against it it'll tell you if it's a 32 bit or 64 bit ELF |
| 05:09.08 | simonlnu | what's `file' say? |
| 05:09.14 | simonlnu | heh |
| 05:09.24 | DarkJuju | kaillerasrv: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, stripped |
| 05:09.52 | ex-parrot | so it is a dynamic executable then? |
| 05:09.52 | DarkJuju | and I think the machine is 64 bit |
| 05:10.02 | DarkJuju | probably |
| 05:10.05 | ex-parrot | have you got ia32-libs installed? |
| 05:10.15 | DarkJuju | lemme check |
| 05:10.48 | DarkJuju | lol no |
| 05:10.54 | DarkJuju | that's why |
| 05:10.57 | DarkJuju | probably |
| 05:11.02 | simonlnu | i bet that's it |
| 05:11.08 | DarkJuju | yep |
| 05:11.24 | DarkJuju | now let's install it |
| 05:11.33 | DarkJuju | hm a big 100MB download. |
| 05:11.42 | DarkJuju | finished. |
| 05:11.55 | DarkJuju | and... it runs! |
| 05:11.59 | DarkJuju | thanks guys :) |
| 05:12.03 | simonlnu | \o/ |
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| 05:19.59 | dreamer | so it seems my apt is broken or something? |
| 05:20.20 | dreamer | or the install script on upgrading? |
| 05:20.32 | dreamer | with dpkg exit status 139 |
| 05:20.51 | Mairo | don't know tho answer u, but some days ago I've tried to update: "apt-get update" |
| 05:22.03 | Mairo | I've been using "synaptic" to get a program |
| 05:22.18 | simonlnu | that's a segfault |
| 05:23.01 | jw013 | DarkJuju: does the kaillera in kaillerasrv refer to the kaillera for online emulator multiplayer? I was not aware there was anything like that for linux |
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| 05:25.24 | Blueleaf | l |
| 05:27.13 | dreamer | simonlnu: yup |
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| 05:27.46 | dreamer | simonlnu: but is the whole package apt corrupted? |
| 05:27.56 | simonlnu | wasn't sure if you knew or not =) |
| 05:28.06 | simonlnu | uh, hard to tell with just that |
| 05:28.13 | dreamer | maybe try purging the download |
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| 05:31.02 | Fudge | is this 1 meg or 1k? 1,442 MB |
| 05:31.29 | simonlnu | is that a decimal or a thousands separator? |
| 05:31.41 | cafuego | thousands sep |
| 05:31.56 | cafuego | in en_* locale anyway |
| 05:32.02 | simonlnu | in en_US |
| 05:32.17 | hatlesszone | hey guys I haven't been keeping up with silverlight DRM and such, anyone come up with a way to watch netflix movies on debian/x86 yet? |
| 05:32.27 | Fudge | so its a gig? |
| 05:32.42 | Fudge | it was removing 646bigmpa kernels |
| 05:32.46 | hatlesszone | tried googling the topic but a lot of out of date information is coming up |
| 05:32.47 | Fudge | um 686 |
| 05:32.48 | jw013 | it is 1442 MB |
| 05:32.50 | simonlnu | just over a GB |
| 05:32.58 | Fudge | wow thanks guys, i couldnt believe it |
| 05:33.22 | cafuego | :w |
| 05:33.25 | cafuego | grr |
| 05:33.29 | kingsley | Is there a way to only receive security advisories for packages that are installed? |
| 05:33.40 | Fudge | thats massive |
| 05:33.51 | cafuego | kingsley: cron-apt and apt-listchanges |
| 05:34.12 | dreamer | so how can I have apt redownload a package? (in this case apt itself) |
| 05:34.23 | cafuego | sudo aptitude install --reinstall apt |
| 05:34.24 | dreamer | I'm thinking the download was corrupted |
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| 05:35.52 | dreamer | aptitude: unrecognized option '--reinstall' |
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| 05:36.35 | simonlnu | 'reinstall' |
| 05:36.41 | simonlnu | no 'install' |
| 05:36.56 | amero | how do we select new repo mirror? |
| 05:37.00 | simonlnu | apt-get --reinstall install, but aptitude it's just aptitude reinstall |
| 05:38.02 | dreamer | simonlnu: I get the same result as before: http://pastebin.com/fcxN315U |
| 05:38.03 | BeTrue | close |
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| 05:38.29 | dreamer | simonlnu: ah, sorry, misread |
| 05:38.39 | dreamer | nope, same result hehe |
| 05:38.44 | kingsley | cafuego: The descriptions of cron-apt and apt-listchanges both seem close to what i have in mind, but I still find myself wondering if it's possible to receive Debian's security advisories only for packages that are installed. |
| 05:38.46 | dreamer | oh, libperl is also b0rking |
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| 05:39.53 | dreamer | http://pastebin.com/jRrpKPBy |
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| 05:42.02 | simonlnu | well, you could try doing: sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/apt.postinst configure and see where it's doing that |
| 05:43.11 | dreamer | gpg: can't open `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' |
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| 05:43.25 | simonlnu | ah. ls -l it |
| 05:43.40 | simonlnu | could be corrupted too |
| 05:43.56 | dreamer | -rw------- 1 root root 10044 Feb 6 06:27 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 05:44.00 | DarkJuju | jw013, yeah the online multiplayer client for emulators |
| 05:44.13 | dreamer | simonlnu: from xfce live image |
| 05:44.47 | dreamer | live team is kind of pre-occupied it seems (live-builder in sid is broken for me) |
| 05:45.35 | simonlnu | well, it's probably r/o ... |
| 05:46.11 | dreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:46.42 | dreamer | http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/R%2FO |
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| 05:47.27 | DizzyLizzy | how do I query the bot here to tell me what version a package is in stable, testing, etc? |
| 05:47.38 | jw013 | DarkJuju: sweet, where did you find it? I've always wanted to be able to play online but could never get pj64k to work in wine. |
| 05:51.03 | dreamer | jw013: this guy makes it look easy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8iiVz7GWQA |
| 05:52.37 | jw013 | dreamer: I've seen that before. It's sorta old, it's on arch, and only shows the result, not the setup |
| 05:52.43 | dreamer | hehe |
| 05:52.47 | dreamer | I have no idea |
| 05:53.20 | dreamer | so, how do I reload the gpg keys? |
| 05:54.08 | amero | hey any idea how to change and select a new repo mirror server? |
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| 05:55.36 | kingsley | cafuego: FYI: Evidently the tiger package has a script (deb_checkadvisories) that takes a list of DSA's, checks against the installed package base, and reports back any packages that are vulnerable according to the Debian Security Team. |
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| 05:56.22 | kingsley | wonders if there's an automatic way to get a list of Debian Security Advisories (DSAs). |
| 05:57.04 | dreamer | simonlnu: you know what I can do? |
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| 06:02.11 | kingsley | cafuego: Maybe your suggestions would work for the stable distribution, which I've read tends to have a greater percentage of security updates. |
| 06:02.59 | cafuego | kingsley: If I weren't on stable, I wouldn't worry about what each update was. |
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| 06:24.14 | dirkson | Hey all: Ping works, links works, chrome and firefox don't. Wtf mate? |
| 06:24.17 | dreamer | so what should my apt-key list look like? |
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| 06:25.53 | afuentes | is debian.org down? |
| 06:25.54 | hatlesszone | dirkson: you need to describe the problem better |
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| 06:26.07 | dirkson | hatlesszone: I need to understand the problem better :D |
| 06:26.21 | hatlesszone | yes, but what you said could mean any number of things |
| 06:26.32 | hatlesszone | do they not open or they don't load webpages or what? |
| 06:27.03 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Well, if they weren't opening I wouldn't have mentioned ping or links. They open fine, and then just stall when I tell them to go get a web page. |
| 06:27.44 | hatlesszone | what error do you get? |
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| 06:27.54 | dreamer | 'links google.com' gives you a webpage? |
| 06:28.07 | dirkson | hatlesszone: I get a stall, not an error. I imagine it eventually would give me a timeout. |
| 06:28.16 | dirkson | dreamer: Yup! Fully functional too! |
| 06:28.45 | dirkson | Chrome and firefox stall even on local-network addresses, like 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:28.56 | hatlesszone | where did you download them from? |
| 06:29.12 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Debian |
| 06:29.15 | hatlesszone | no |
| 06:29.17 | dirkson | Midori works. |
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| 06:29.33 | hatlesszone | debian hosts iceweasel and chromium |
| 06:30.03 | dirkson | hatlesszone: The command to start "iceweasel" is "firefox", and I never see the iceweasel branding. Forgive me if I get the two confused :D |
| 06:30.23 | hatlesszone | also chrome is closed-source |
| 06:30.28 | hatlesszone | not hosted by debian |
| 06:30.28 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Chromium starts with "google-chrome" too, thus why I've called it "chrome" here. |
| 06:31.09 | hatlesszone | I would check the proxy settings |
| 06:31.39 | hatlesszone | are you running links as the same user you are running the GUI browsers as? |
| 06:31.40 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Does debian have some, or am I just looking in the individual browser config? |
| 06:31.50 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Yup |
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| 06:33.16 | hatlesszone | anything in the proxy settings? |
| 06:33.34 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Give me a bit, I've never mucked with them, and I can't remember where firefox hides them |
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| 06:34.14 | hatlesszone | preferences->advanced->network |
| 06:35.57 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Switched from "use system" to "no proxy", same problem. Chromium can't even load the "change proxy settings" page. |
| 06:36.12 | hatlesszone | wtf |
| 06:36.24 | hatlesszone | weird |
| 06:36.27 | dirkson | hatlesszone: You're telling me! :D |
| 06:36.31 | hatlesszone | can you go to pages like about: |
| 06:37.05 | hatlesszone | try typing "about:" in chrome |
| 06:37.18 | dirkson | hatlesszone: No on chrome, no on firefox. |
| 06:37.27 | hatlesszone | ok something is seriously broken |
| 06:37.45 | hatlesszone | try deleting your pref files for them and then if they're still broken then reinstall them |
| 06:37.48 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Yeah. These bloody things /should/ be on completely separate rendering engines o.O |
| 06:38.00 | hatlesszone | yeah |
| 06:38.11 | hatlesszone | have you installed any new plugins recently? |
| 06:38.28 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Haven't changes my config in any real way in weeks |
| 06:38.29 | hatlesszone | I'm thinking maybe something like that has blown them up but didn't install on the lesser-known browsers like midori |
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| 06:38.41 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Haven't even done an update in weeks :D |
| 06:38.50 | hatlesszone | yeah do an apt-get update |
| 06:38.58 | hatlesszone | see if there is a new firefox or chromium |
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| 06:39.02 | Fudge | i have network-manager installed but cant see the icon on the panel |
| 06:39.14 | Fudge | it is working, is there an applet i have to install? |
| 06:39.14 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Will do. I'm doing a very-windows reboot now, just in case :D |
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| 06:40.10 | rousseau | Hi guys! I'm follwing this guide http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 06:40.26 | rousseau | to solve a problem with my laptop's wifi |
| 06:40.59 | rousseau | I can't manage to install the corresponding linux-headers for my kernel |
| 06:41.07 | hatlesszone | Fudge: have you tried logging out and back in again? |
| 06:41.19 | Fudge | for some reason network-manager-gnome wasnt installed |
| 06:41.25 | rousseau | I've done an upgrade from squeeze to testing |
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| 06:41.33 | Fudge | hatlesszone yep have, this should fix it or net-applet :) |
| 06:41.44 | hatlesszone | ah yeah |
| 06:41.54 | hatlesszone | don't know why it isn't installed by default |
| 06:42.02 | rousseau | that's the output 2.6.32-5-amd64 of uname -r |
| 06:42.11 | rousseau | but I can't find the appropriate headers |
| 06:42.12 | dirkson | hatlesszone: What do you know. Restart fixed it. |
| 06:42.18 | hatlesszone | oh awesome |
| 06:42.38 | rousseau | I've got headers for kernel vesione 2.6.39 |
| 06:42.40 | dirkson | hatlesszone: At a guess, something about my encryption setup came unhinged - Firefox and chrome are /way/ more sensitive about not being able to read /home than midori and links are. |
| 06:43.02 | hatlesszone | sounds plausible |
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| 06:43.34 | dirkson | hatlesszone: Thanks a lot for your help : ) Lead me to a couple things I wouldn't have thought to try otherwise. |
| 06:43.52 | hatlesszone | no problem |
| 06:45.52 | rousseau | some ideas? |
| 06:45.56 | rousseau | thanks in advance |
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| 06:48.44 | nsadmin | , versions linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 06:48.46 | judd | Package linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.6.32-34squeeze1; squeeze: 2.6.32-35 |
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| 06:49.41 | nsadmin | it looks like those headers are not present in testing |
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| 06:52.53 | Fudge | is there somewhere or a package i can use to enable accessibility at log on |
| 06:53.10 | Fudge | gnome-orca is not autostarting when it is set to, once desktop loads i can launch it though and it is working at gdm23 |
| 06:53.13 | Fudge | um, gdm3 |
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| 06:56.12 | dreamer | arg, I really can't find out how to fix apt |
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| 06:56.40 | Fudge | whats wrong with it dreamer |
| 06:58.32 | babilen | %tell dreamer -about bat |
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| 07:01.11 | Strav | He. I'm reading about stack smashing protector's patch for gcc as well as the position independent executable patch for the linker and it makes me wonder: is there a package repository (on any package based distro), where I can be certain that everything has been compiled with those? (namely where each package has been compiled with "fortified" options)? |
| 07:01.28 | dutchfish | hi, is there some readup on how to config the difs on a new kerneltree after generating make deconfig in regards to .config and the changes that are preferred to debian guidelines? |
| 07:01.42 | dreamer | Fudge: sorry, I'm trying apt-get upgrade again and paste a full log |
| 07:01.44 | dutchfish | s/deconfig/defconfig |
| 07:01.55 | Fudge | k mate |
| 07:02.44 | dreamer | Fudge: upgrade earlier tonight ended with this: http://pastebin.com/fcxN315U |
| 07:03.09 | dreamer | was something with /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
| 07:03.39 | dreamer | gpg: can't open `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg' |
| 07:03.55 | babilen | dreamer: Are you running squeeze? Please provide all information just mentioned by dselect (in a private message) :) |
| 07:04.15 | dreamer | yes it's squeeze, installed from xfce live image 6.0.0 iirc |
| 07:05.10 | dreamer | but upgrade seems to be installing packages now |
| 07:05.34 | dutchfish | dreamer, use 6.0.2 images |
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| 07:05.54 | Fudge | oh dear, dpkg --configure apt doesnt help? |
| 07:05.56 | dreamer | dutchfish: maybe there was no live-image from that |
| 07:06.11 | dreamer | Fudge: upgrade is running now, if anything stalls I'll let you know |
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| 07:06.28 | dreamer | package apt hasn't come by yet |
| 07:06.39 | babilen | wonders why dreamer refuses to just paste more information, but meh .... |
| 07:07.02 | dreamer | babilen: I already pasted other information .. but apt-get upgrade is now _running_ |
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| 07:08.15 | dutchfish | dreamer, seams you are right 6.0.1 for now http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 07:10.17 | dreamer | dutchfish: I don't need it |
| 07:10.27 | dutchfish | dreamer, i tested upgrading from 6.01->6.02 on i386 and x86_64, that went well |
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| 07:11.21 | dutchfish | dreamer, also checked the curent version of libc6 |
| 07:11.35 | dreamer | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 07:11.39 | dreamer | heuhm |
| 07:11.54 | rousseau | I've solved my issue |
| 07:11.55 | dutchfish | dreamer, what is the version of libc6? |
| 07:12.09 | dreamer | ok, now the mv b0rked |
| 07:12.10 | rousseau | but I had to put squeeze in my sourceslist |
| 07:12.16 | dreamer | VM* |
| 07:12.23 | rousseau | cause couldn't find the packages in testing |
| 07:12.25 | rousseau | :( |
| 07:12.54 | dreamer | so, it happened like this. I had a usb-stick with a live-image, then used virtualbox to install this image on another usb-stick. then running this stick in vbox I was upgrading it |
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| 07:14.13 | dutchfish | dreamer, why didnt you use latest installer images instead? |
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| 07:14.46 | dreamer | http://pastebin.com/jRrpKPBy << a previous paste of mine |
| 07:14.56 | dreamer | dutchfish: like I said, I had the latest live image I could find |
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| 07:15.13 | dreamer | debian-live-6.0.0-i386-xfce-desktop.iso |
| 07:15.17 | dreamer | don't know where I got it |
| 07:15.18 | AntiVigilante | I am pulling my hair out |
| 07:15.30 | dreamer | but I found out the live-team has been off lately |
| 07:15.39 | dreamer | live-builder in sid is broken anyway |
| 07:15.56 | dreamer | dutchfish: but, this is the release, so should be stable right? :P |
| 07:15.57 | nsadmin | AntiVigilante: is your complaint that your hair seems to be thinning? |
| 07:16.05 | dutchfish | dreamer, wrong |
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| 07:16.35 | dutchfish | dreamer, at least not within this context |
| 07:16.41 | dreamer | heh, I guess so |
| 07:16.45 | AntiVigilante | my complaint is that plesk and mod_suphp require me to babysit each domain |
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| 07:16.48 | nsadmin | do live cds have installers now? |
| 07:16.49 | dreamer | anyway, there was no other live-image I could use |
| 07:16.57 | dutchfish | nsadmin, yes |
| 07:17.08 | nsadmin | oh they do... |
| 07:17.12 | dutchfish | nsadmin, but i don't recommmend it |
| 07:17.51 | dreamer | and now the machine doesn't boot -_- |
| 07:18.35 | dutchfish | dreamer, use a curent installer image, even within vbox, and you don't need a usb stick for that, vbox can pickup directly an .iso file for installation. |
| 07:19.42 | dutchfish | dreamer, that might safe you a lot of trouble |
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| 07:21.02 | dreamer | k, I'm on a shit connection atm, downloading an iso would be pretty difficult |
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| 07:21.09 | dreamer | and anyway, lets fix this damnit! |
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| 07:21.22 | dreamer | (or fubar and try again? -_-) |
| 07:21.29 | dutchfish | dreamer, ok, tell me what version libc6 you got? |
| 07:22.15 | dreamer | dutchfish: I'm in a maintanance shell atm |
| 07:22.37 | dreamer | need to do an fsck on /dev/mapper/root (encrypted lv) |
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| 07:23.22 | dreamer | pfew, lots of stuff |
| 07:23.35 | nsadmin | that's weird that it's not called /dev/mapper/somevg-root |
| 07:23.47 | dreamer | yeah something, but I don't want to give you my hostname :) |
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| 07:26.15 | dreamer | dutchfish: 2.11.2-10 |
| 07:26.31 | nsadmin | oh... alllllrighteyyy then :) |
| 07:26.37 | dutchfish | dreamer, yes, thats ok |
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| 07:30.50 | Fudge | wols_ everything seems to be going well here :D just installing the remastered iso now |
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| 07:31.14 | Fudge | but /etc/resolv.conf was not present, any idea why that may be? |
| 07:31.38 | SparFux | Fudge: resolvconf package messes with it. Perhaps that's the reason. |
| 07:32.10 | Fudge | i was hoping to shit with google nameservers |
| 07:32.17 | Fudge | oh sorry, ship |
| 07:33.43 | SparFux | Fudge: my opinion is, network setup in linux is a mess. |
| 07:33.50 | dutchfish | dreamer, what version of `dpkg -l | grep libperl5.10` ? |
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| 07:34.10 | dutchfish | dreamer, should be 5.10.1-17squeeze2 |
| 07:34.39 | Fudge | SparFux if resolvconf was removed could you jsut manually configure /etc/resolv.conf and leave it there, or should i look at if its not a simlink to where it should be |
| 07:35.30 | SparFux | Fudge: I think no other package alters it, so yes, if resolvconf package is removes you configure manually. And that's the way it is ment to be. Resolvconf is just a tweak. |
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| 07:36.14 | Fudge | there was no simlink to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original |
| 07:36.18 | SparFux | Fudge: alternatively you configure your nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces in the iface stanzas and put them in lines "dns-nameserver" |
| 07:36.26 | Fudge | thanx mate |
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| 07:46.15 | Fudge | my custom resolv.conf wasnt on the live cd i made but its on the hdd install loL |
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| 07:51.46 | dreamer | dutchfish: no, I have 5.10.1-17squeeze1 |
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| 08:06.26 | dutchfish | dreamer, then install the proper version, are ther emore packages in an unconfigured state? Those are likely candidates as well. |
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| 08:07.11 | dutchfish | dreamer, that prolly cause the postinstall of apt to fubar |
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| 08:09.38 | dutchfish | dreamer, that one depends on the correct libc6, but apprently that one is already in place |
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| 08:12.08 | hick0rd | Hello, Is there a stress/load testing tool to provide me with an easy-to-use and cost effective way to test my website? |
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| 08:12.35 | dutchfish | dreamer, might be that chaining 2 point upgrades at once doesn't work well for perl's libs |
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| 08:15.33 | buhman | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 08:15.34 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.2-3; wheezy: 4:0.6.2-3; experimental: 4:0.7-1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.6.2-0.4; sid-multimedia: 5:0.8-0.0 |
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| 08:17.14 | dreamer | dutchfish: it's upgraded now succesfully |
| 08:17.36 | dutchfish | dreamer, did it also configure apt properly? |
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| 08:18.24 | dutchfish | dreamer, if not then again `aptitude reinstall apt` |
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| 08:20.38 | dreamer | but I tried installing some new packages (fluxbox and terminator) and I get dpkg: unrecoverable error, aborting: Read-only file system (maybe something with how vbox mounts the usb-hdd |
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| 08:20.56 | dreamer | dutchfish: I tried aptitude reinstall apt before, got the same error |
| 08:20.58 | Fudge | how do u remove a group |
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| 08:21.03 | dreamer | but, now it seems it's upgraded |
| 08:21.09 | dutchfish | dreamer, is / mounted ro? |
| 08:21.14 | dreamer | and the fs vbox manages gives problems |
| 08:21.50 | Fudge | oh groupdel |
| 08:21.51 | dreamer | dutchfish: nope, (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 08:22.17 | dutchfish | dreamer, is apt configured without errors now? |
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| 08:23.18 | dreamer | how can I check this? |
| 08:24.06 | dutchfish | dreamer, `dpkg -l | grep apt` it should read ii |
| 08:24.40 | dutchfish | dreamer, and the correct version should be 0.8.10.3+squeeze1 |
| 08:24.52 | dreamer | it's 0.8.10.3+squeeze1 |
| 08:24.59 | dreamer | ok, good |
| 08:25.11 | dreamer | but, dpkg --configure -a |
| 08:25.20 | dreamer | gives me dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system |
| 08:25.29 | dutchfish | dreamer, then run again `aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade` |
| 08:26.00 | dreamer | W: Could not lock the cache file; this usually means that dpkg or another apt tool is already installing packages. Opening in read-only mode |
| 08:26.12 | dutchfish | dreamer, then your root fs or /var is mounted ro |
| 08:26.14 | buhman | I just ran into an interesting problem with ffmpeg 0.7 from experimental |
| 08:26.22 | buhman | http://paste.pound-python.org/show/8952/ |
| 08:26.29 | buhman | it's versioned ... wrong |
| 08:26.39 | buhman | in such a way that apt thinks it's a downgrade |
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| 08:27.03 | dutchfish | dreamer, well, check what porcess is doing that, or maybe a stale lockfile |
| 08:27.11 | dutchfish | s/porcess/process |
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| 08:32.07 | dreamer | ehm, so how do I find that process? |
| 08:32.21 | dutchfish | dreamer, ps auxww |
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| 08:33.13 | Parsifal | buhman: That isn't wrong, it looks like it's intentional. debian-multimedia seems to be using 5: at the start to avoid their version being upgraded to the latest official Debian build. |
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| 08:33.16 | nvictor | hey all |
| 08:33.18 | dreamer | dutchfish: sorry, no idea |
| 08:33.26 | nvictor | i am kinda confused with the diff command |
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| 08:33.43 | nvictor | i want to show the difference between two files to see if they are identical |
| 08:33.52 | dreamer | reboots the vm again .. |
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| 08:33.55 | nvictor | and the command is just outputting both files |
| 08:34.13 | dutchfish | dreamer, if this is not a production machine, you might be better of (easier) to download latest installer image and rince and repeat |
| 08:34.41 | Parsifal | nvictor: If you only want to know if they're different, and not what the differences are, you can use the -q flag (quiet) |
| 08:34.52 | gregorah | nvictor: diff -q? |
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| 08:35.39 | Parsifal | nvictor: Also see diff(1) |
| 08:35.40 | nvictor | Parsifal, gregorah: thanks guys |
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| 08:35.58 | nvictor | Parsifal: yes i have the help here |
| 08:36.22 | nvictor | oh boy, i didn't even see that -q option :) |
| 08:36.32 | nvictor | commands have evolved so much.... |
| 08:37.17 | dreamer | dutchfish: hmm, after reboot it wants an fsck again .. hmmm |
| 08:37.53 | dutchfish | dreamer, an indication you have likely some other problems with that setup as well |
| 08:38.15 | dreamer | uhg, ok ok, I'll download an newer iso and re-install completely -_- |
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| 08:38.33 | dreamer | I have debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:38.58 | dutchfish | dreamer, use 6.0.2 and safe yourself alot of trouble ;) |
| 08:39.03 | dreamer | yeah |
| 08:39.06 | nvictor | Parsifal: could it be that encoding is taken into account too, it seems to be saying that the whole contents of both files are different |
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| 08:39.40 | nvictor | Parsifal: 1,148c1,148 it says |
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| 08:40.58 | Parsifal | nvictor: I don't know enough about diff or the files you're comparing to answer that. It's very likely it would consider files encoded differently as different, but I'm not sure. |
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| 08:41.13 | nvictor | i see |
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| 08:41.43 | dreamer | dutchfish: in 3 hours I'll have debian-6.0.2.1-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
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| 08:42.10 | dutchfish | dreamer, good luck |
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| 08:48.26 | cali | is it possible for a user to gain root privileges after 'mv' one of his file? |
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| 08:48.54 | dreamer | dutchfish: fuck it, this systems runs now, but I think the problem is with vbox messing with the fs in between |
| 08:49.21 | dutchfish | dreamer, i have no clue about vbox, i rather use kvm or xen |
| 08:52.04 | dutchfish | cali, nope unless a root process picks up that file and contains scipt that executes alteration of permission, that would be a stupid thing done by an unknowing admin |
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| 08:52.48 | dutchfish | s/scipt/script |
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| 08:54.03 | cali | dutchfish, what if I cat his file or something? Years before a guy shown me some code that could allows him to get root in case I 'cat' this file |
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| 08:54.39 | dutchfish | cali, not on this distribution |
| 08:55.06 | cali | dutchfish, ubuntu? |
| 08:55.37 | dutchfish | cali, no clue on that, since i don't use it, but i have seen it in others i won't mention |
| 08:56.29 | cali | dutchfish, I see, a guy has made a rm -Rf / on my machine after using a php shell |
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| 08:56.59 | dutchfish | cali, well, php has many raods to mess up security, but that is nothing new |
| 08:57.34 | dutchfish | cali, luckely debian comes with a somewhat hardened version ;) |
| 08:57.42 | cali | dutchfish, argh I don't see how he could have done that because he is a jackass, he even tried to upload phpmyadmin because he was unable to download the databases |
| 08:58.17 | dutchfish | cali, you dont give shell access to jxxaxxes in general, would you? ;) |
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| 08:59.06 | cali | anyway i was just wondering how he did because the only thing I've done is removing the files he uploaded |
| 08:59.24 | dutchfish | cali, you might also want to read about jail roots and hardening your system btw |
| 08:59.47 | cali | well, I used to run php with unique permissions and stuff :( |
| 09:00.02 | cali | I think I should do something to prevent anyone from running back connection etc... :) |
| 09:01.23 | dutchfish | cali, well, you might also limit other things, like file permission through ftp as an example, there are many ways people try to use, as a rule of thumb don't give them more acess/privilidges then needed |
| 09:02.21 | cali | dutchfish, is it easy to escape chroot? |
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| 09:02.27 | dutchfish | cali, php has stuff to prevent that, the same for apache, also delve into iptables for outgoing connections |
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| 09:03.30 | dutchfish | cali, i didn't state chroot but jail root, or even better virtualize it, so that it is contained within his/her own vm |
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| 09:04.07 | dutchfish | cali, no way i grant others i don't trust shell access on my hosts |
| 09:04.14 | dutchfish | cali, not even as non-root |
| 09:04.41 | dutchfish | cali, for that i use vm's |
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| 09:05.39 | dutchfish | cali, for hosting stuff, limited ftp will do, but no shell |
| 09:07.41 | dutchfish | cali, also http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/FAQ |
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| 09:15.28 | dreamer | ok, who knows a good way to install a fresh squeeze to a usb-disk without rebooting? :) |
| 09:16.06 | dreamer | I did it with vbox now, but that just sucks (can't even remount/run the usb-disk now) |
| 09:17.31 | cusco | I never installed to a usb disk |
| 09:17.41 | cusco | I had usb disks as instalation medium tho |
| 09:17.58 | cusco | do you have 'persistent changes' ? |
| 09:18.05 | dreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb << this page is older than my grandmother |
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| 09:18.46 | dreamer | I don't know what I have, vbox says: UUID of the medium does not match the value stored in the media registry |
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| 09:20.26 | jmd | Why do I get nothing when I do "apt-cache search bitcoin"? |
| 09:20.59 | wols_ | ,versions bitcoind |
| 09:20.59 | judd | Package bitcoind on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.3.20.2~dfsg-2~bpo60+1; sid: 0.3.21~dfsg-2; wheezy: 0.3.21~dfsg-2 |
| 09:22.35 | dreamer | does anymode know what is happening with the live-builder prajoject+? |
| 09:22.52 | dreamer | woah, lag |
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| 09:25.02 | buhman | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 09:25.03 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.2-3; wheezy: 4:0.6.2-3; experimental: 4:0.7-1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.6.2-0.4; sid-multimedia: 5:0.8-0.0 |
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| 09:25.24 | buhman | ^ why does the ffmpeg in experimental have a 4: in front of it |
| 09:25.39 | buhman | it's causing problems for me |
| 09:25.41 | euthymos | hi I'm trying to reinstall mysql-server from scratch. Everything is messed up and even the re-install of the package fails. |
| 09:25.44 | euthymos | what's the correct procedure? |
| 09:26.27 | euthymos | (after I apt-get --purge remove mysql-server-* and reinstall it, the configure phase fails since it cannot set root password, and /etc/mysql/my.cnf is missing) |
| 09:26.49 | dreamer | ,versions live-builder |
| 09:26.49 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'live-builder' was found in i386. |
| 09:27.01 | euthymos | how can I destroy anything related to mysql so that I can reinstall it like it were never on my system? |
| 09:27.34 | cusco | euthymos: dpkg -l|grep -i mysql |cut -d " " -f 3|xargs apt-get remove --purge |
| 09:27.35 | cusco | euthymos: dpkg -l|grep -i mysql |cut -d " " -f 3|xargs apt-get remove --purge -y |
| 09:27.40 | cusco | euthymos: dpkg -l|grep -i mysql |cut -d " " -f 3|xargs |
| 09:27.48 | cusco | that will list you the packages before you remove |
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| 09:28.08 | euthymos | I already removed those packages |
| 09:28.13 | dreamer | ,versions live-build |
| 09:28.14 | judd | Package live-build on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.12-2; sid: 3.0~a21-1; wheezy: 3.0~a21-1; experimental: 3.0~a23-1 |
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| 09:29.04 | euthymos | trying again |
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| 09:29.58 | thetro | hi, i can't remove pid files from /var/run, error is readonly filesystem - but /var is mounted rw. Any ideas - services can't restart because of it |
| 09:30.17 | cusco | euthymos: with 'purge' ? |
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| 09:30.38 | cusco | euthymos: dpkg -P packagename |
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| 09:32.13 | euthymos | cusco: thanks. Fixed everything |
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| 09:32.22 | euthymos | I was forgetting to remove mysql-common |
| 09:32.26 | cusco | ok |
| 09:32.29 | cusco | :) |
| 09:32.41 | euthymos | that just contains my.cnf or nearly like this |
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| 09:51.02 | cali | dutchfish, thanks |
| 09:51.14 | palo | i made aptitude safe-upgrade and now my compter is swapping, aptitude is on 81% Mem (of 4 + 4 GB) is this correct ? or did i something wrong ? |
| 09:52.10 | wols_ | palo: not enough info given |
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| 09:52.45 | wols_ | palo: are you really saying that aptitude uses 7GB of RSS? |
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| 09:53.26 | palo | wols_, res ca 3200M and VIRT 7000 (says htop) |
| 09:54.22 | palo | wols_, i was stable this morning but now i switched to wheezy. |
| 09:54.48 | palo | wols_, and apt-get upgrade was holding a lot of packages back. |
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| 09:55.06 | wols_ | palo: and why would you do a "safe-upgrade" if your change branches? |
| 09:55.39 | palo | wols_, don't know a frind told me, i used debian about 7 years ago |
| 09:56.05 | palo | wols_, so you say use apt-get upgrade with some 'don't hold back' options ? |
| 09:56.23 | wols_ | dselect: suqeeze->wheezy |
| 09:56.23 | dselect | wols_: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 09:56.36 | cali | dutchfish, what's the difference between chroot and jail root? |
| 09:56.50 | wols_ | dselect: squeeze->wheezy |
| 09:56.50 | dselect | Following a release, testing tends to be more of a developer's playground and a <moving target>. If you have to ask how to do this, ask yourself if you know enough about Debian packaging to run a non-stable release yet. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, then change squeeze to wheezy. "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> and <apt-listbugs>. |
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| 09:57.37 | palo | wols_, ahhh thx |
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| 09:58.59 | palo | was to long on ubuntu (1 year) |
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| 10:09.27 | jokar | o/ all |
| 10:09.30 | jokar | hello all |
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| 10:11.21 | jokar | i install new dvd RW in debian linux 6,i install my debian with old dvd-rw and after install debian i add new dvd-rw but when i want add or remove package in dpkg,dpkg not accept my new dvd-rw and i must insert dvd into the old dvd drive |
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| 10:11.46 | jokar | how change my repo file? |
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| 10:13.10 | jokar | o/ all |
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| 10:16.18 | palo | jokar, maybe change the /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 10:17.07 | jokar | no |
| 10:17.10 | jokar | what is it? |
| 10:17.15 | Fudge | hi how can i get rid of a menu item, tried update-gconf-defaults |
| 10:17.22 | Fudge | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.37 | jokar | in redhat i can change repo in yum.repo.d |
| 10:17.41 | palo | jokar, you repo file, ... where debian defines where to find packages |
| 10:17.43 | jokar | in debian? |
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| 10:19.13 | Virtualmix | Jokar: http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 10:21.06 | jokar | o/ Virtualmix :in debian i can change my repo in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:22.08 | Virtualmix | yes that's correct |
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| 10:22.31 | Virtualmix | jokar: This file is very important to configure your system. |
| 10:23.16 | jokar | ok i understand,if i open a .list file i can make new from it |
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| 10:23.32 | wols_ | jokar: apt-cdrom |
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| 10:24.01 | Virtualmix | jokar: I recommand you read the documentation about "apt" and how to install package in Debian. |
| 10:24.15 | jokar | ok |
| 10:24.40 | Virtualmix | jokar: let me know if I can be further help. |
| 10:25.03 | Virtualmix | Hi all. I'm trying to download Debian Testing using "http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent" but I get the following error: "debian.org: Error: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." |
| 10:25.30 | jokar | o/ Virtualmix : thanks ;) |
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| 10:27.47 | clock | liable__, you asked about the X? |
| 10:28.54 | Virtualmix | Is there anywhere i can report this error? |
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| 10:33.53 | clock | Virtualmix, bugreport_ |
| 10:34.00 | clock | Virtualmix, bugreport? |
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| 10:45.56 | Virtualmix | clock, Thank you, that's what I was thinking about but I'm not exactly sure how to fill a bug report in this particular case (it's not a package) |
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| 10:57.02 | npoektop | i played with etckeeper, did git checkout older_commit and then git checkout master, and it seems my file permissions in /etc are broken. All files including /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key are now rw-r--r--. Now i know git doesn't save file permissions. Great. Is there a way to fix permissions in /etc? What should i leave open, what closed? |
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| 10:59.22 | bzed | npoektop: in any case please wrigte a bugreport |
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| 11:00.34 | npoektop | bzed: ok. But what how to fix it? |
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| 11:01.34 | Fudge | %codecs |
| 11:01.35 | dselect | A codec (portmanteau of "compressor-decompressor") is a program or device used to encode/decode a data stream or signal. Ask me about <libavcodec>, <w32codecs>. |
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| 11:07.25 | rudi_s | Hm, what's wrong with dpkg? |
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| 11:08.06 | Iridos | he's sick... ate some German sprouts |
| 11:08.07 | wols_ | summer vacation? |
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| 11:08.37 | npoektop | is it a good idea to make /etc and files readable only by root? |
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| 11:09.08 | rudi_s | I hope he's soon back from vacations ;-) |
| 11:09.13 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to install additional software in rescue mode? (I don't want to install it on the harddisk, but use it while in rescue mode). Thanks. |
| 11:09.29 | wols_ | npoektop: usually not. various programs which aren't run under root might want to read their own config |
| 11:10.16 | wols_ | rudi_s: yes. remount / rw and you can easily install stuff via apt or dpkg |
| 11:10.33 | npoektop | wols_: i have broken /etc permissions with git. What files i should make readable only by root? |
| 11:10.35 | stew | rudi_s: you can use the dselect bot instead of dpkg |
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| 11:11.24 | rudi_s | wols_: Thanks. I tried that but I didn't find apt-get/dpkg, where can I find it? |
| 11:11.39 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.47 | rudi_s | stew: Ah, thanks. |
| 11:11.53 | rudi_s | wols_: Not in $PATH? |
| 11:12.07 | wols_ | supposedly your /usr/bin is in your path... |
| 11:12.25 | rudi_s | wols_: I meant in rescue mode. |
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| 11:13.09 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:16.39 | rudi_s | wols_: Hm. No /usr/bin/dpkg in rescue mode. Did I do something wrong? |
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| 11:18.11 | wols_ | rudi_s: mount your debian /, chroot to it and use dpkg as normally |
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| 11:20.41 | Lunastyx | plop |
| 11:21.05 | Lunastyx | A lot of application are crashing because of libc6 on my computer |
| 11:21.11 | Lunastyx | I'm getting this : « Chromium and firefox are still working on my computer, whereas amarok, kmail, aptitude himself, or agrekator or also minecraft are crashing and giving this error message : « res_query.c:251: __libc_res_nquery: Assertion `hp != hp2' » |
| 11:21.18 | Lunastyx | I've desactivate every script or plugin that could try to connect to the Internet in amarok, and now he doesn't crash anymore. » |
| 11:21.20 | Lunastyx | Oops |
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| 11:21.34 | Lunastyx | That was a mail i wanted to send to people who have the same problem |
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| 11:21.47 | Lunastyx | But kmail crashed trying to send it... |
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| 11:22.26 | rudi_s | wols_: But I don't want to install software on my /, I just need some additional software which I only to install in the isntaller. |
| 11:22.37 | rudi_s | *want |
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| 11:23.38 | gestapo | so whats the command to auto configure alsa |
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| 11:25.26 | gestapo | ne1? |
| 11:25.33 | th0r | I wonder what kind of software I would not want on my computer, but would want to install on others? |
| 11:25.43 | rudi_s | And then run on my system - like tripwire. |
| 11:25.49 | rudi_s | th0r: ^ |
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| 11:26.49 | Admc` | Hi, I have debian wheezy. I can't lock screen, it worked yesterday |
| 11:27.04 | stew | gestapo: /msg dselect alsactl |
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| 11:27.28 | Admc` | Fn+F1 and Ctrl+Atl+L doesn't work |
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| 11:28.07 | Admc` | gnome-screensaver --lock says ** (gnome-screensaver:8409): WARNING **: unknown option --lock |
| 11:28.18 | Admc` | I think it happened after last update |
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| 11:31.17 | Admc` | anyone? |
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| 11:31.30 | Admc` | I really need this option |
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| 11:33.42 | nkuttler | Admc`: there plenty of tools to lock x |
| 11:33.55 | stew | Admc`: i'm not sure what I would recommend if you need an option that they removed. i'd recommend checking the manpage to see if there is anything in there, or else consider using something else like xlockmore |
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| 11:34.08 | kevinmoilar | hi. would someone be so kind to help me boot my cloned harddisk? i put it into my laptop and grub gives me loading linux ... error file not found, loading initial ramdisk... error: you need to load the kernel first. |
| 11:34.14 | kevinmoilar | am new to this obviously |
| 11:34.23 | kevinmoilar | cloned with dd |
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| 11:34.53 | totte | Is it a good idea to change the port proftpd is listening on for security measures? |
| 11:34.54 | kevinmoilar | googling didn't help me yet |
| 11:36.05 | th0r | kevinmoilar: you will probably need to reconfigure grub since it uses uuid to find the drive. |
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| 11:36.35 | kevinmoilar | th0r: thanks. how? |
| 11:36.48 | vlty_x | Hello. When I run startx I get a black X screen with a root shell. How can I disable this shell? |
| 11:36.50 | kevinmoilar | 'e' to edit i guess, then.. |
| 11:37.06 | kevinmoilar | set root= .... |
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| 11:37.40 | negge | totte: it helps, but it's security through obscurity |
| 11:37.52 | negge | running FTP over in-secure networks is usually a bad idea |
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| 11:38.10 | stew | totte: its a much better idea to switch to sftp. since ftp is a goofy protocol that has the server opening connections on the client, it can mess up connection tracking firewalls which have to recognize the port in order to allow this |
| 11:38.47 | kevinmoilar | th0r: so i need to find the correct UUID? |
| 11:39.20 | totte | negge: stew: Thanks. |
| 11:39.23 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: Maybe booting a live CD to analyze your current partition layout would help. |
| 11:39.29 | th0r | kevinmoilar: yes, and get it into the grub config. It used to be /etc/grub/menu.lst in the old grub, but I don't know where it is now |
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| 11:41.42 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: th0r thank you very much, will see how far i get with this |
| 11:41.46 | th0r | kevinmoilar: that should be /boot/grub/menu.lst, but it is still old info |
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| 11:48.25 | kevinmoilar | th0r: vlty_x got my UUID with ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid, will now try and put that in /etc/grub/menu.lst |
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| 11:50.15 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: Though the UUID of the files system shouldn't have changed when using dd to clone the whole disk ... |
| 11:50.57 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: I think it's more a hard disk geometry problem. |
| 11:51.30 | vlty_x | Did you see the grub menu when trying to boot or did the error occur before the menu? |
| 11:51.48 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: true, UUID is the same |
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| 11:52.18 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: so i need to set root correctly or how... |
| 11:52.22 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: _I_ would run grub-install again from a live CD (like grml.org or the Debian installer in rescue mode). |
| 11:52.45 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: ok cool, got grml |
| 11:53.59 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: Ok, if you already got grml, boot it, mount your root, then run 'grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/your/root/ /dev/sdX', where sdX is your hard disk. |
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| 11:57.22 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: am confused ybout my root / my hard disk |
| 11:57.28 | daveo | noob question: during boot up after grub, i see a list of things being initiated/opened is there a file that lists these? I'm having problems with graphical display |
| 11:57.30 | kevinmoilar | my insallation is on /dev/sda1 |
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| 11:58.00 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: When in grub run "blkid" |
| 11:58.10 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: *grml, nit grub |
| 11:58.12 | vlty_x | not |
| 11:58.32 | kevinmoilar | yes. done |
| 11:58.53 | vlty_x | Where is your root and has it got a LABEL? |
| 11:59.10 | rgr | I'm looking for some pointers/suggestions on a vpn client for debian stable. Neither strongswan or openvpn work for me. strongswan nm plugin segfaults and openvpn simply wont let me select the greyed out vpn profile I configured using nm. |
| 11:59.26 | kevinmoilar | /dev/sdc4: LABEL="grml.... |
| 11:59.38 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: This is your grml root |
| 11:59.48 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: sweet |
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| 12:00.06 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: You need to mount your sda1 (or wherever it is), then run grub-install |
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| 12:00.47 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: ... and tell grub-install where your hard disk root is you want to boot from. |
| 12:01.07 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: That's what "--root-directory=" is for. |
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| 12:03.43 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: error cannot find a device for /mnt/dev/sdc4/boot/grub (is /dev mounted?) |
| 12:03.49 | [sr] | howdy |
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| 12:04.08 | daveo | what i'm trying to ask is after selecting boot from grub a rolling list of programs is shown as it goes through the load process, is this recorded somewhere? |
| 12:04.11 | [sr] | is there a way in the apache2 package, if for some reason apache can't open the logs, it starts anyway? |
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| 12:04.52 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: Wat command did you run? |
| 12:04.57 | vlty_x | *What |
| 12:05.25 | kevinmoilar | mount /dev/sdc4 |
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| 12:05.47 | kevinmoilar | already mounted or busy if i run it again |
| 12:06.13 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: I can't see your screen. What command did you run? |
| 12:06.23 | kevinmoilar | umount /dev/sdc4 gives me not mounted... |
| 12:06.43 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: mound /dev/sdc4 |
| 12:06.52 | kevinmoilar | sry mount! |
| 12:07.02 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: I thought your root is on sda? |
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| 12:07.43 | daveo | so is there a linux-noob channel where i can ask my question? |
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| 12:08.07 | vlty_x | !ask | daveo |
| 12:08.23 | grawity | So I just mixed up /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib, and accidentally removed a few of Perl's modules. |
| 12:08.25 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: blkid gives me /dev/sda1: UUID and /dev/sdc4: LABEL |
| 12:08.31 | grawity | How do I force apt-get or dpkg to reinstall the entire Perl package? |
| 12:09.08 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: When your root is on sda1 dont't mess miss sdc |
| 12:09.26 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: Mount sda1 somewhere, then run grub-install on sda |
| 12:09.39 | daveo | vlty_x: if that's a message for me I didn't see anything, using xchat |
| 12:10.21 | luxor | hi here |
| 12:10.28 | asdjaputra | hi here too |
| 12:10.45 | luxor | i'v some trouble to configure my dlna server over iptable |
| 12:10.45 | asdjaputra | is dpkg absent? |
| 12:11.00 | vlty_x | daveo: I wanted to let the channel bot tell you that if you use Debian then just ask your question ;-) |
| 12:11.09 | Fudge | hi, when i install from squeeze backports linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2 i get 5 images 486 686 etc, how can i install just the image for my system, being amd64 |
| 12:11.17 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: as in 'grub install --root-directory=/mnt/dev/sda1/ /dev/sda1' |
| 12:11.19 | luxor | i already open related port, 8200 and 1900 udp and tcp |
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| 12:11.20 | daveo | vlty_x: thank you |
| 12:11.43 | luxor | but my client still not viewing dlna server |
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| 12:11.57 | luxor | if i stop iptables, i can see dlna server |
| 12:11.57 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: If it's really /mnt/dev/sda1, yes. Check that again, please. |
| 12:11.58 | daveo | during the boot process, i see a rolling list of programs being started and such, is there a file that records this process that i can review? |
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| 12:12.01 | orangey | Hello all! |
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| 12:12.06 | luxor | someone have an idea about that ? |
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| 12:12.10 | orangey | How do I install a perl module to be made available to the webserver? |
| 12:12.24 | orangey | (supposing no dpkg is available) |
| 12:12.31 | Parsifal | daveo: /var/log/boot, /var/log/dmesg and/or /var/log/messages may interest you |
| 12:12.42 | Parsifal | In general, poke around in /var/log if you want to find logs of things |
| 12:12.50 | daveo | Parsifal: thankyou! |
| 12:13.42 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: yes, blkid give me /dev/sda1: UUID=.... |
| 12:13.56 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: I mean where is it mounted to? |
| 12:14.08 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: /mnt/dev/... looks weird |
| 12:14.30 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: ah fuck |
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| 12:14.39 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: to nothing :) |
| 12:14.57 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: i just did mount /dev/sda1 |
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| 12:28.18 | totte | Are virtual hosts in apache2 and proftpd related somehow? If I have a virtual host in apache2, should I copy that to proftpd as well? |
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| 12:28.54 | abrotman | by name or IP? |
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| 12:33.40 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: mounted /dev/sda1 to /abcd |
| 12:33.41 | totte | Uh, I have one IP from my ISP - assigned by DHCP - and ddclient to connect a domain to it... The domain documentroot is in a user directory (public_html). |
| 12:33.55 | totte | I guess that's by name? |
| 12:34.09 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: now getting a grub install error |
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| 12:34.54 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: attempting to install grub to a partitionless disk or to a partition This is a BAD idea |
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| 12:35.40 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: I can't see your screen. What command did you run? |
| 12:35.56 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: i did this : grub-install --root-directory=/abcd/ /dev/sda1 |
| 12:36.19 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: sda! |
| 12:37.10 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: well, /abcd/dev/sda1 gave me the same error |
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| 12:37.35 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: or what do you mean? |
| 12:37.50 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: i know i'm exhausting - and sorry about it! |
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| 12:38.40 | vlty_x | 13:53 CEST < vlty_x> kevinmoilar: Ok, if you already got grml, boot it, mount your root, then run 'grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/your/root/ /dev/sdX', where sdX is your hard disk. |
| 12:39.29 | Fudge | %update-rc.d |
| 12:39.29 | dselect | update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. For front-ends, ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <bum>. See also <insserv>. |
| 12:39.45 | abrotman | Fudge: you can msg the bot too |
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| 12:39.54 | Fudge | I read the man page but the order doesnt change |
| 12:39.58 | Fudge | abrotman thank you |
| 12:40.18 | Fudge | trying to change the start order of a program with update-rc.d -f program start 23 2 3 4 5 . stop 70 1 . but it does not rename from S02 to S23 |
| 12:40.27 | abrotman | Fudge: the order is now controlled by the insserv IIRC |
| 12:40.28 | Fudge | I believe the command is right |
| 12:40.36 | Fudge | O |
| 12:40.38 | abrotman | disappears for a bit |
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| 12:40.44 | Fudge | thanx for direction |
| 12:40.45 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: the paste tells me i have indeed exhausted your patience. sorry but thanks loads anyway! really good of you to take your time - i might still get there. |
| 12:41.02 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: and i owe you beers |
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| 12:43.28 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: No problem. A few years ago I couldn't have told you what mount actually means ;-) |
| 12:44.28 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: cheers. there is SO MUCH to learn. |
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| 12:45.27 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: as i've switched from mac to debian a couple months back, falling in love with awesome |
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| 12:46.09 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: but in need of my backup clone today after running apt-get autoremove :S |
| 12:46.19 | vlty_x | Awesome, I'm looking for help with awesome. |
| 12:46.41 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: what do you need? |
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| 12:47.15 | vlty_x | How can I run a program in an awesome window that stays always on top of others? |
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| 12:50.17 | vlty_x | ... or any other window manager. (Someone suggested awesome without telleing me how to do this.) |
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| 12:52.45 | thinksteve | vlty_x: There's a keyboard shortcut for it. Refer to your rc.lua in ~.config/awesome/ or /etc/xdg/awesome/. |
| 12:53.00 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: do you mean the floating state? https://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/FAQ#How_to_toggle_clients_floating_state.3F |
| 12:53.51 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: what app would you want to float? can't think of a usecase other than some monitoring window maybe.. |
| 12:54.30 | vlty_x | kevinmoilar: An ooimpress presentation should ALWAYS be visible on top. |
| 12:54.56 | kevinmoilar | vlty_x: if you have just on display hm |
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| 12:55.43 | mintee | Grr.... My apt installed mysql is broken somehome |
| 12:55.46 | mintee | somehow too |
| 12:55.53 | mintee | and I can't seen to figure it out |
| 12:56.07 | vlty_x | I know this is possible. I got it working once on an Ubuntu Gnome desktop. But I had to use the mouse and click something. I need it to run right from the beginning in that mode. |
| 12:56.09 | thinksteve | vlty_x: Press Modkey + Space until it's shown fullscreen? |
| 12:56.32 | mintee | http://pastebin.com/0RGwSqm0 |
| 12:58.14 | mintee | i don't know why it's wanting to remove mysqlserver anyway |
| 12:58.18 | mintee | it's needed |
| 12:58.23 | vlty_x | thinksteve: I need a command to run to set the window to that mode. |
| 12:58.33 | vlty_x | thinksteve: (No mouse clicking at all) |
| 12:59.48 | rgr | File Edit Options Buffers ElScreen Tools ERC nXhtml Help |
| 12:59.49 | rgr | rgr on #debian (+Pcntfl 1095,lag:0) squeeze (6.0.2) released; /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian |
| 12:59.49 | rgr | [14:36]<kevinmoilar> vlty_x: attempting to install grub to a partitionless |
| 12:59.49 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:00.45 | thinksteve | vlty_x: Let me recap that, you want Impress to open up fullscreen in presentation mode? |
| 13:01.05 | vlty_x | thinksteve: That's easy: "ooimpress --show file.odp" |
| 13:01.22 | vlty_x | thinksteve: But that window shouls always stay on top of others |
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| 13:02.08 | unixSnob | schroot is hogging 1GB of tmpfs filespace. How can that be reduced? |
| 13:02.17 | unixSnob | /etc/schroot/schroot.conf does not appear to specify the size of the tmpfs |
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| 13:03.32 | vlty_x | OR: Is there a way to detach the keyboard from a running X server and assign it to another linux console? |
| 13:03.35 | thinksteve | vlty_x: Well, you can easily switch to that with 'Modkey' + 'j'/'k'. I'm afraid I don't really get your problem. |
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| 13:05.58 | vlty_x | thinksteve: I need the following: startx with a window manager, start "ooimpress --show ...", let that window be always on top, open a shell (behind the presentation). |
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| 13:06.57 | vlty_x | thinksteve: All this in a script. No mouse clicking whatsoever. |
| 13:08.12 | vlty_x | So I actually need the command to set a certain window to "always on top" mode. |
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| 13:08.37 | Kano | hi, how are the rebuild (bX) packages created? |
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| 13:09.33 | thinksteve | vlty_x: Sorry, I can't help you in that case. But with awesome mouse is not needed anyway. ;) |
| 13:10.03 | vlty_x | thinksteve: That's why someone told me to use it. Hmmm ... |
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| 13:10.55 | vlty_x | Maybe I should use xdotool. |
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| 13:11.27 | vlty_x | How can I get a list of all windows (including name and ID)? |
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| 13:11.44 | vlty_x | "xdotool search ." only shows IDs |
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| 13:13.59 | vlty_x | And "xdotool search openoffice" shows 5 IDs in ym case. |
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| 13:15.16 | vlty_x | Maybe I should trust OOo that the window showing the presentation has focus and get its ID with "xdotool getwindowfocus", then use that ID for all later commands. |
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| 13:21.16 | rgr | apologies if I flooded a while back I accidentally caught my mouse middle key in an xterm irc client. |
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| 13:22.43 | rgr | I'm looking for suggestions on setting up vpn in debian stable. stronswan segfaults and openvpm nm plugin wont let me select my new configuraion for connecting to a vpn server. |
| 13:23.10 | rgr | even someone confirming it actually works would help so I know I'm not flogging a dead horse. |
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| 13:28.01 | mintee | i don't understand why apt is wanting to uninstall mysql server |
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| 13:29.37 | dvs | because postgresql is better? ;-) |
| 13:29.45 | mintee | lol |
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| 13:30.24 | mintee | hum |
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| 13:30.31 | mintee | i frank i fixed it |
| 13:30.32 | mintee | w00 |
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| 13:37.30 | prometoys | hi, i want to configure my sound card on a fresh debian stable |
| 13:38.01 | prometoys | the wiki mention sndconfing, but i cant find it |
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| 13:45.04 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 13:45.49 | dvs | it's morning! |
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| 13:45.58 | PoppaChubba | it's 9:45PM! |
| 13:46.15 | dvs | am! |
| 13:46.24 | ajikeshi_ | O_o |
| 13:46.28 | prometoys | nobody here could help me with alsa? |
| 13:46.30 | PoppaChubba | PM! |
| 13:46.31 | ajikeshi_ | 3:47pm :P |
| 13:46.41 | PoppaChubba | why can't we just all agree? |
| 13:46.49 | dvs | heh |
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| 13:46.51 | ajikeshi_ | nevaaaar |
| 13:46.53 | daemonkeeper | Because you are in the wrong time zone! |
| 13:47.07 | PoppaChubba | Well, it looks like I'm in the future |
| 13:47.15 | NoNaMeNo | hi, does cryptsetup with luks still works in debian 6.x? |
| 13:47.18 | PoppaChubba | Looks a lot like the past |
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| 13:47.27 | daemonkeeper | NoNaMeNo: why shouldn't it? |
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| 13:47.58 | NoNaMeNo | just asking as I just read that cryptoloop is not |
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| 13:48.44 | daemonkeeper | NoNaMeNo: Older approaches have been deprecated since Linux supports encrypted volumes directly in the kernel. |
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| 13:48.54 | dvs | wildc4rd: troublemaker! See what you started? |
| 13:49.03 | daemonkeeper | Which is exactly the LUKS/cryptsetup approach |
| 13:49.18 | NoNaMeNo | daemonkeeper: ok, thanks |
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| 13:53.42 | thewanderer1 | hey, is it expected that `apt-get update` fails when I give it "deb http://fd00:::9999/debian squeeze main" as a source? is it my fault or is there a bug? the server is approx, and it throws an HTTP 400 when an IPv6 address is used instead of a hostname |
| 13:53.48 | wildc4rd | dvs, have often thought there should be a common 'net time' to save the problem |
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| 13:54.36 | dvs | wildc4rd: I thought that was called "UTC"? |
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| 13:56.04 | locoabreu13 | hello |
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| 13:56.16 | wildc4rd | dvs, aye, which is similar to GMT, I am in the UK, its afternoon! lol |
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| 13:56.52 | dvs | wildc4rd: you win. ;-) |
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| 13:57.34 | locoabreu13 | I have one problem with Debian Squeeze 64-bit my console i s gone I have only black screen |
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| 13:58.03 | CybrSpace | I have trouble with tty too, no color support |
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| 13:58.13 | locoabreu13 | seem how to out of range |
| 13:58.27 | boudiccas | locoabreu13; what do you mean, your 'console' ? |
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| 13:58.33 | dvs | locoabreu13: What type of video chipset do you have? |
| 13:59.01 | locoabreu13 | from F1 to ALT CRTL |
| 13:59.10 | locoabreu13 | F2 etc |
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| 13:59.40 | locoabreu13 | when switch from X to any console |
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| 14:00.15 | locoabreu13 | chipset of mother board? |
| 14:00.30 | dvs | no, the video card |
| 14:00.44 | locoabreu13 | ATI radeon hd 5450 |
| 14:01.06 | dvs | locoabreu13: Do you have the firmware-linux-nonfree package installed? |
| 14:01.13 | locoabreu13 | Yes |
| 14:01.53 | dvs | I have one of those too and I haven't had problems with it. |
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| 14:02.01 | dvs | (then again, I don't run X on it |
| 14:02.05 | PoppaChubba | lol |
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| 14:02.31 | locoabreu13 | problem was star afer I was try install shit fgrlx driver |
| 14:02.38 | locoabreu13 | start |
| 14:02.53 | locoabreu13 | and now I not have console |
| 14:03.12 | dvs | ah, I don't use the fglrx driver |
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| 14:03.31 | locoabreu13 | Yes now I know |
| 14:03.46 | PoppaChubba | boot up in single user mode and uninstall it |
| 14:04.31 | locoabreu13 | Yes I was uninstall this driver but ..console is not visible |
| 14:04.47 | PoppaChubba | you gots to reboot, pappy |
| 14:04.57 | PoppaChubba | with no drivers being loaded |
| 14:05.13 | locoabreu13 | single-user mode? |
| 14:05.29 | locoabreu13 | and what to do when enter to single-mode? |
| 14:05.49 | dvs | locoabreu13: It's called "recovery mode" in GRUB |
| 14:05.55 | locoabreu13 | y<es I now |
| 14:06.01 | locoabreu13 | recover mode |
| 14:06.18 | locoabreu13 | what is nexte step when enter to recovery' |
| 14:06.21 | locoabreu13 | ? |
| 14:06.22 | PoppaChubba | then you can remove that driver |
| 14:06.50 | NoNaMeNo | what's debian 6.0.2 kernel version? |
| 14:06.53 | dvs | PoppaChubba: I think he's asking how |
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| 14:07.08 | PoppaChubba | oh |
| 14:07.10 | dvs | NoNaMeNo: 2.6.32-5 |
| 14:07.14 | PoppaChubba | uh .. dpkg-reconfigure .. something |
| 14:07.17 | NoNaMeNo | ok thanks |
| 14:07.27 | locoabreu13 | with apt-get remove or purge? |
| 14:07.38 | locoabreu13 | fgrlx* |
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| 14:07.46 | PoppaChubba | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg could do it |
| 14:07.57 | pokkerface | purge deletes config files and all that stuff |
| 14:08.08 | dvs | PoppaChubba: That removes all of X. |
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| 14:08.44 | PoppaChubba | yeah. But it'll remove that driver too :) |
| 14:09.04 | PoppaChubba | locoabreu13, I can't tell you how to remove it. I've never done it |
| 14:09.10 | PoppaChubba | I'm purely a CLI guy |
| 14:09.33 | locoabreu13 | ok people thanky you are very kind i am first time here |
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| 14:09.47 | dvs | locoabreu13: I'd start with fglrx-modules-dkms\ |
| 14:10.32 | locoabreu13 | fglrx is uf........ |
| 14:10.42 | locoabreu13 | i am angry |
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| 14:11.41 | locoabreu13 | Do you any have full tutorial for radeon driver support for my card? |
| 14:12.00 | locoabreu13 | radeon hd 5430 |
| 14:13.02 | simonlnu | !radeon |
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| 14:13.15 | simonlnu | %radeon |
| 14:13.15 | dselect | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 14:13.48 | CybrSpace | <locoabreu13> have you read this article: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze |
| 14:13.50 | dvs | locoabreu13: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo is the closest I can find |
| 14:14.11 | dvs | CybrSpace: He doesn't want the proprietary driver. |
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| 14:14.41 | locoabreu13 | no fglrx anymore |
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| 14:15.58 | NoNaMeNo | well, lets upgrade debian to last version... |
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| 14:17.45 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 14:18.17 | dvs | locoabreu13: No problem, and please don't /msg me |
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| 14:19.16 | CybrSpace | locoabreu13 install driver xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 14:19.17 | locoabreu13 | ok |
| 14:19.33 | simonlnu | %radeonhd |
| 14:19.33 | dselect | radeonhd is a deprecated open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612190, ask me about <radeon>. |
| 14:20.07 | TheJH_ | How can I easily create a video dvd from one video file? Brasero says unsupperted medium, even if i try to create an image |
| 14:20.14 | simonlnu | %dbugs 612190 |
| 14:20.16 | dselect | DONE:#612190:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd -- ROM; unmaintained (); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:06:12 UTC [] |
| 14:20.50 | CybrSpace | ok... don't instal it... |
| 14:20.52 | locoabreu13 | TheJH:try DEVEDE package |
| 14:21.18 | locoabreu13 | Is good for make DVD |
| 14:21.27 | CybrSpace | Throw your card out, and buy a new one. :D |
| 14:21.54 | TheJH_ | locoabreu13, thanks |
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| 14:22.36 | locoabreu13 | no problem TheJH_ |
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| 14:26.12 | antro | How to send an email to foo@bar.com with sendmail in Debian ?? |
| 14:26.28 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for a tool which checks the integrity of package files. I want to start the computer from a CD/USB-stick and check if the files are correct (shasums are prefered). Is there such a tool? |
| 14:26.33 | tonsofpcs | mail foo@bar.com ? |
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| 14:27.00 | PoppaChubba | rudi_s, tripwire :) |
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| 14:27.55 | antro | tonsofpcs: but no email is received then with foo@bar.com |
| 14:27.58 | rudi_s | PoppaChubba: Yeah, but from what I heard it's designed to work "online" while the normal system is running. If a binary gets modified tripwire doesn't help. I want to check the files while the system is not booted in the normal system, but a CD which is clean. |
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| 14:28.12 | linux-fox | happy, i can listen the songs in emacs |
| 14:28.13 | antro | tonsofpcs: and /var/log/mail* is empty |
| 14:28.27 | PoppaChubba | rudi_s, oh i see |
| 14:28.33 | tonsofpcs | well, you need to configure it properly |
| 14:28.46 | antro | tonsofpcs: where can I do this? |
| 14:28.52 | PoppaChubba | rudi_s, I'm not sure how you are going to do that |
| 14:29.08 | tonsofpcs | read the man pages for the configs |
| 14:29.10 | PoppaChubba | as you won't have a system up to do the checking |
| 14:29.14 | rudi_s | PoppaChubba: My current idea is just to fetch the debian packages while running the CD and then diffing the files, but I prefer if there's a better solution. |
| 14:29.22 | tonsofpcs | configuring mail servers is not for the faint of heart |
| 14:29.43 | PoppaChubba | postfix is easy to config |
| 14:29.54 | rudi_s | (This should be safe as long as the BIOS and the CD are safe.) |
| 14:29.55 | PoppaChubba | get rid of sendmail and install postfix |
| 14:30.18 | PoppaChubba | rudi_s, oh ok, I realize what you are trying to do now |
| 14:30.36 | PoppaChubba | rudi_s, you could write a script to do the hash check then, couldn't you? |
| 14:30.57 | rudi_s | PoppaChubba: Yeah. But if somebody had done it I wouldn't have to ;-) |
| 14:31.12 | PoppaChubba | ah I hear you lol |
| 14:31.40 | PoppaChubba | if I had time I'd fap it out for you now |
| 14:31.44 | PoppaChubba | but I'm about to jet |
| 14:31.51 | thewanderer1 | sane-find-scanner shows an USB device, but `scanimage -L` as root returns no results (as root), what am I missing? |
| 14:31.55 | rudi_s | And ideas (or search terms - I wasn't very successful) ? (If not I'll write one shouldn't be a problem.) |
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| 14:33.17 | rudi_s | Btw. one more question. I know I can dd Debian Installer images on a USB stick. How can I continue to use the rest of the stick to store my data? |
| 14:33.28 | rudi_s | *and boot from it. |
| 14:33.30 | PoppaChubba | rudi_s, I would just use md5sum in a script to check the hashes |
| 14:33.44 | thewanderer1 | rudi_s: it's in the installation manual |
| 14:33.47 | PoppaChubba | you'll need to know their correct hashes ahead of time though |
| 14:33.57 | PoppaChubba | no, you won't |
| 14:34.11 | rudi_s | PoppaChubba: Yeah, I'm planing to do that (sha256 though - I'm a little paranoid) - I'll just take them from the .deb files. |
| 14:34.14 | rudi_s | Yeah. |
| 14:34.17 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Thanks. |
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| 14:35.53 | PoppaChubba | rudi_s, incidently, why do you think someone is modifying the packages? |
| 14:36.28 | rudi_s | PoppaChubba: Just curious, I don't think anyone has, but I want to verify it (and learn how to do it correctly). |
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| 14:36.59 | PoppaChubba | ok then |
| 14:37.01 | rudi_s | (And the procedure could be useful for some servers as well - where you can boot in a "rescue" mode.) |
| 14:37.03 | roliver | Hey people... quick question... would you rather a) 2x Pentium III 500MHz b) 1x Pentium 4 2.53GHz??? obviously the Pentium III system isn't true 'dual-core' so I'm not entirely sure which is best. |
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| 14:37.47 | zapadlo | That would be the latter |
| 14:37.50 | thewanderer1 | roliver: I believe your question belongs in ##hardware |
| 14:37.59 | simonlnu | depends |
| 14:38.11 | roliver | thewanderer1: many thanks, new to IRC |
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| 14:38.28 | thewanderer1 | oh, you need to register to join there, too |
| 14:38.43 | simonlnu | /msg nickserv help |
| 14:38.47 | public_ | roliver, i'd better choose pentium 4... 500MHz is too low, to consider it..as long as there is a display |
| 14:39.19 | simonlnu | 2 processors, could be useful for certain applications |
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| 14:40.45 | public_ | simonlnu, router or similar stuff, yes.. but if there is a display.. xorg or others.. to manage.. 500 too low |
| 14:41.10 | thewanderer1 | since we're not seeing high traffic now... I'd say I'd go for 2x Pentium III, their power usage is really low and SMP beats Pentium 4 at any time. by the way, Pentium 4's gigahertz is not a "real" figure, you hardly ever find it gaining that speed |
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| 14:42.44 | roliver | thewanderer1: ahh, I didn't know that, i'm considering software raid0-ing a couple of 40GB harddrives but I don't know if that would be a performance hit or increse. |
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| 14:43.04 | simonlnu | public_: this is why i said 'depends' ;) |
| 14:43.24 | nevyn | roliver: so the point is.. for what? |
| 14:43.32 | nevyn | what are you planning to use it for. |
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| 14:44.00 | nevyn | if it's a home server with some webserving, samba/nfs then I'd go with the pIII's |
| 14:44.23 | nevyn | if it's a workstation with X11 then maybe the pIV |
| 14:44.24 | stiller_ | hi, I just set up a debian server, and now I've been trying to setup VNC, but it doesn't seem to be working - anyone who can help me setting it up? I'm not exactly a linux wizzard :P |
| 14:44.33 | simonlnu | same here |
| 14:45.08 | public_ | stiller_, what sort of problem do you face ? |
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| 14:46.27 | eshat | which good and well supported audio codecs are supported on debian (thorugh mencoder) ? |
| 14:46.31 | eshat | aac or ac3 ? |
| 14:47.00 | stiller_ | I installed vnc4server, created a password and started a desktop :1, but when I try to connect via my vnc client it refuses to connect me |
| 14:47.01 | roliver | nevyn: It's literally just for messing around with, probably SSH server and maybe web server if I feel like experimenting with PHP. Will probably just setup fluxbox on it though. |
| 14:47.26 | zapadlo | And the guy is trying to compile a kernel while not knowing what should go into the hostname file |
| 14:47.34 | zapadlo | Wrong channel |
| 14:48.19 | public_ | stiller_, could be due to firewall.. routing or other reasons |
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| 14:48.58 | public_ | stiller_, you may try to connect locally.. like vncview 127.0.0.1:1 to see if that works |
| 14:48.58 | stiller_ | hmm... don't know, but I did open a port for this service |
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| 14:49.39 | stiller_ | vncview: command not found |
| 14:50.01 | stiller_ | do I need to install a package for that or something? |
| 14:50.22 | public_ | vncviewer or krdc.. |
| 14:50.40 | roliver | stiller_: try running 'apropos vnc' and see if you've already got anything appropriate installed |
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| 14:51.49 | stiller_ | what would the output be if it is working properly? |
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| 14:54.17 | roliver | it just shows you all relevant programs to your search term |
| 14:54.26 | roliver | that is... programs that are already installed |
| 14:54.32 | thewanderer1 | does saned use /etc/hosts.allow? it's refusing connections from an allowed network when IPv6 is enabled, even though the connection is from ::ffff:192.168.0.40 |
| 14:54.50 | ksx4system | any help with mod_auth on lighttpd? my config looks like this http://paste.debian.net/121764/ and i'm not able to log in (correct username, correct password, every browser keeps asking for password) |
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| 14:55.36 | cahoot | thewanderer1, nothing in the debian docs about it? |
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| 14:57.16 | thewanderer1 | cahoot: that's correct |
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| 15:00.07 | thewanderer1 | ok, any idea how to allow 192.168.0.0/24 in the IPv6 notation? (::ffff:192.168.0.0) |
| 15:00.39 | thewanderer1 | or allow all hosts to access saned? |
| 15:01.08 | ajikeshi_ | ::ffff:* |
| 15:01.13 | ajikeshi_ | is that even a legal adress? |
| 15:01.18 | ajikeshi_ | i thought that was loopback |
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| 15:01.48 | thewanderer1 | it's what an application gets when it creates a TCP6 socket on in6addr_any and an IPv4 client connects to that |
| 15:01.58 | ajikeshi_ | O_o |
| 15:02.06 | ajikeshi_ | maybe a local tunnelk |
| 15:02.38 | thewanderer1 | I'll experiment with the syntax... |
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| 15:04.38 | thewanderer1 | although it seems to be a huge hack... that's not even a proper IPv6 address :P |
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| 15:09.47 | thewanderer1 | now I don't know anymore what saned uses... it allows connections from one address and suddenly denies them from others |
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| 15:12.29 | thewanderer1 | oh great, so it wasn't actually using hosts.allow :P |
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| 15:16.43 | nevyn | who the hell uses that anymore? |
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| 15:18.42 | thewanderer1 | I do when NFS is complaining... |
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| 15:22.35 | seanw | Hello all. If I carefully set up packages like openvpn to move their config files into /home, is it safe to cryptsetup just /home and just /? Someone from another distro is trying to persuade me of this. |
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| 15:29.09 | jaggz | what do you use for domain name lookups which follows the nsswitch.conf settings? |
| 15:29.27 | jaggz | dig, host, nslookup.. all seem to bypass /etc/hosts |
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| 15:31.20 | phogg | jaggz: nslookup and dig do DNS lookups, so of course hosts is bypassed |
| 15:32.05 | CybrSpace | Hi guys, i'm having some trouble with tty colors... I have none. |
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| 15:32.41 | CybrSpace | black background gray foreground, but no other colors... |
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| 15:33.47 | jaggz | phogg, yeah.. need one that will use /etc/hosts too |
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| 15:34.19 | jaggz | cybr, echo $TERM |
| 15:34.46 | ansgar | jaggz: getent hosts foo? |
| 15:34.53 | Bushmills | CybrSpace: printf '%b' "\e[31m" |
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| 15:35.32 | jaggz | ansgar, heh.. no it has to still do a DNS lookup if not found in hosts :) |
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| 15:36.21 | jaggz | Bush, echo -e '\e...' ? |
| 15:36.29 | ansgar | jaggz: Which is what getent will do (with the default nsswitch.conf). |
| 15:37.03 | jaggz | oh?? how interesting.. reading manpage |
| 15:37.04 | CybrSpace | Bushmills thank you, that seem to work, i know now at least that tty supports colors. |
| 15:37.23 | CybrSpace | but than why is the output of ls gray? |
| 15:37.33 | Bushmills | CybrSpace: mean that you have some VT or ANSI terminal emulation |
| 15:37.36 | Bushmills | means |
| 15:38.06 | Bushmills | ls grey because you didn't instruct ls to use colours? |
| 15:38.10 | nevyn | you know what they say... |
| 15:38.21 | nevyn | ASCII supid question get stupid ANSI |
| 15:38.26 | jaggz | ls --color=always |
| 15:38.41 | CybrSpace | how can i do that? |
| 15:38.46 | jaggz | try it |
| 15:38.49 | CybrSpace | ok i'll try that |
| 15:39.12 | jaggz | not sure if =always is necessary |
| 15:39.30 | nevyn | jaggz: =auto is better most of the time |
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| 15:39.41 | jaggz | for his test I wanted to make sure |
| 15:39.49 | Bushmills | alias ls to an invocation with colours enabled |
| 15:39.50 | nevyn | unless you use less -r in which case always is better. |
| 15:39.54 | jaggz | just not sure what plain --color does |
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| 15:40.19 | CybrSpace | that works bit is not permanent |
| 15:40.26 | CybrSpace | *but |
| 15:40.33 | jaggz | why's his ls not defaulting to color=auto? |
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| 15:40.59 | Bushmills | because colours need terminals or emulations which support them |
| 15:41.08 | jaggz | cybrspace, so add a line to .bashrc or .bash_profile (or whatever), that says: alias ls='ls --color=auto' and whatever other options you want |
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| 15:41.34 | jaggz | oh.. try at commandline: ls --color=auto and see if it's still color :) Maybe you're viewing everything through a pipe |
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| 15:42.41 | CybrSpace | color auto isn't permanent either... |
| 15:42.49 | CybrSpace | guess i have to edit .bashrc |
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| 15:43.17 | CybrSpace | But isn't these things supposed to be default? |
| 15:43.21 | Bushmills | there's nothing permanent about invoking a command unless you set them up permanently |
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| 15:43.36 | Bushmills | lowest common denominator is "no colours" |
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| 15:45.23 | Bushmills | if you want it default, make it default |
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| 15:46.55 | Bushmills | actually, it seems to be default, for new user home dirs populated from skel, and bash as shell |
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| 15:54.03 | CybrSpace | Thank you guys! you are awesome. |
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| 15:54.27 | sacredchao | I put an ñ character in one of my folders, but now it shows up as � and I cannot rename it or enter the folder on CLI or GUI |
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| 15:56.02 | wols_ | if tab complete doesn't work for the file, use mc to delete it |
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| 15:58.56 | sacredchao | wols_: The folder has a bunch of data in it |
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| 15:59.08 | sacredchao | I can see so with du command |
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| 16:00.20 | savr | !moo |
| 16:00.26 | savr | hi |
| 16:00.40 | savr | !help |
| 16:00.48 | savr | no bot? |
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| 16:01.35 | babilen | savr: Try dselect -- either "/msg dselect FOO" or "%FOO" |
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| 16:01.50 | babilen | savr: But in your case you almost definitely want to /msg the bot. |
| 16:01.58 | savr | %moo |
| 16:01.58 | dselect | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 16:02.12 | savr | okay will private message |
| 16:02.15 | babilen | savr: *sigh* Please /msg the bot |
| 16:02.16 | savr | thanks |
| 16:02.42 | genfool | emerge --search moo |
| 16:02.49 | savr | sorry. |
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| 16:03.53 | wols_ | sacredchao: then rename it in mc |
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| 16:09.51 | qop | Hi. I am trying to use partimage to image hds at work when they fail. odd thing is that although the drives are all the same and the image is all right, the drives fail to boot, I just get an underline |
| 16:09.58 | qop | a flashing one. ideas? |
| 16:10.15 | qop | I'd love to ask #parted if existed btw ;) |
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| 16:24.10 | jelly-home | qop: why not just reinstall the boot loader |
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| 16:26.46 | genfool | is sid still the testing branch, or is it now aptosid? |
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| 16:27.46 | cusco | ? |
| 16:27.52 | wols_ | genfool: neither. |
| 16:27.54 | cusco | sid is and will always be the unstable branch |
| 16:28.13 | wols_ | sid is unstable and always will be. aptosid has nothing at all to do with debian. it's a totally different distro |
| 16:28.23 | wols_ | current testing is wheezy |
| 16:28.48 | jelly-home | dselect: sid faq |
| 16:28.48 | dselect | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
| 16:29.03 | genfool | wols_, thanks, was looking for sid repos, got redirected to aptosid and was confused |
| 16:29.18 | wols_ | genfool: are you running debian at all? |
| 16:29.27 | jelly-home | dselect: aptosid |
| 16:29.27 | dselect | aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:29.40 | genfool | I have wheezt installed yesterday |
| 16:29.47 | jelly-home | genfool: what's wrong with it? |
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| 16:30.52 | genfool | I want xbmc, have been running gentoo testing for a few years, am a beta tester for other distro |
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| 16:31.59 | genfool | earns his nick *fool |
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| 16:41.54 | Peter-C | Guys, I am SUPER new to intel stuff. I have an i3, what download do I want? |
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| 16:42.06 | Peter-C | I am just so used to downloading amd64 :/ |
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| 16:42.28 | dvs | Peter-C: That'll work |
| 16:42.39 | Peter-C | Really? |
| 16:42.46 | qop | jelly-home: the target machine has no alternate boot method to run a live... neither cd or usb... |
| 16:42.49 | dvs | Yes, amd64 and i386 will both work. |
| 16:43.47 | Peter-C | thanks! :D |
| 16:44.02 | dvs | np |
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| 16:45.20 | qop | jelly-home: unless I'd use unetbootin |
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| 16:49.17 | jhutchins_lt | qop: unetbootin is for USB. |
| 16:49.23 | jhutchins_lt | qop: debbootstrap? |
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| 16:53.39 | Strav | He. Asked a question yesterday that didn't got any feedback: I was reading about stack smashing protection patch for gcc as well as the position independent executable patch for the linker and it made me wonder: is there a package repository where I can be sure that everything has been compiled with this hardened toolchain? (this would be a feature of gentoo hardened but I'd prefer to benefit of package goodness. I've been told that |
| 16:53.40 | Strav | this along with some other "fortify" flag are kinda standard in the rpm building process... what about debian based distros?) |
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| 16:54.41 | wols_ | check gcc. debian is compiled with the same gcc that it ships |
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| 16:55.30 | Strav | wols_: well even if gcc has the patches, the correct flags still needs to be passed in the compilation I guess. |
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| 16:56.05 | qop | jhutchins_lt: you can install unet via an exe file |
| 16:56.24 | qop | jhutchins_lt: same way as debbootstrap or wubi |
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| 16:58.01 | wols_ | Strav: then get the source for the package you are interested in and check with what flags it is compiled. |
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| 16:58.49 | tanlaan | Hello everyone, fresh installs using both stable and testing squeeze netinstall iso's cause a "bad mirror" error upon trying to download from the mirrors themselves. |
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| 16:59.29 | CannedCorn | hey guys, I'm trying to edit /etc/sudoers |
| 16:59.41 | CannedCorn | and emacs keeps telling me it's a read only buffer even though i am root |
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| 16:59.45 | CannedCorn | what gives? |
| 17:00.03 | tanlaan | It appears, when going to tty4, that the error happens in "choose-mirror in that the wget command that attempts to get the release file and there appears to be a single extra ',/' causing all the problems |
| 17:00.38 | tanlaan | CannedCorn: use sudoedit instead? |
| 17:00.46 | CannedCorn | why? |
| 17:01.01 | CannedCorn | emacs doesn't work for editing sudoers file? |
| 17:01.32 | tanlaan | CannedCorn: I don't use emacs so I'm unsure why it would be causing problems like that |
| 17:01.48 | CannedCorn | ok, maybe someone else can chime in |
| 17:01.56 | wols_ | CannedCorn: man visudo |
| 17:02.26 | wols_ | tanlaan: are you in the US, using US mirrors? |
| 17:02.41 | wols_ | tanlaan: btw: testing is not squeeze |
| 17:02.43 | CannedCorn | wols_ ok, so i have to use vi, great |
| 17:02.59 | tanlaan | wols_: Yes and yes. I've tried both us.debian and kernel.org mirrors |
| 17:02.59 | wols_ | CannedCorn: wrong |
| 17:03.10 | CannedCorn | or pico or whatever |
| 17:03.18 | CannedCorn | i'm too lazy to setup something else |
| 17:03.19 | CannedCorn | cool |
| 17:03.48 | CannedCorn | makes sense, thanks wols_ |
| 17:03.51 | wols_ | CannedCorn: man visudo and see the "Environment" paragraph |
| 17:03.59 | tanlaan | wols_:The command in the error is "wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/testing/Release -O - | grep -E '^(SUITE|Codename):' |
| 17:04.11 | tanlaan | between debian and dists there seems to be one extra '/' |
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| 17:04.24 | wols_ | tanlaan: and? |
| 17:05.00 | tanlaan | wols_: That would cause the wget to fail making the installer think that any and all mirrors don't have packages |
| 17:05.29 | wols_ | why would that make anything fail? |
| 17:05.40 | CannedCorn | ok thanks wols_ |
| 17:05.51 | tanlaan | wols_: The URL would fail having the extra / |
| 17:06.23 | wols_ | tanlaan: you are very very wrong. it won't fail at all. it's perfectly fine. just try it yourself with "wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/testing/Release". works as intended |
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| 17:08.04 | tanlaan | wols_:Dang, apparently a false assumption on my part. That leaves me stumped as to the problem now. |
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| 17:08.35 | wols_ | the release file on some US mirrors was broken for the last few days afaik. use another mirror, another country. canada perhaps? |
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| 17:09.47 | thewanderer1 | is anyone using fwlogwatch with success? |
| 17:09.54 | tanlaan | wols_:Sounds good, I'll give it a try |
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| 17:11.12 | wols_ | thewanderer1: %anyone... |
| 17:11.45 | thewanderer1 | wols_: I know that one, I'm asking for real... if this is useful to anyone or I should give up and write my own log parser |
| 17:12.40 | wols_ | no it's not for real. and you can be assured that if soemthing is in debian main it is useful to someone or they wouldn't have made the effort to package it |
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| 17:16.00 | Strav | wols_: yep it's mostly what I was thinking to do. someone in #security told me about a very nice script called checksec.sh |
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| 17:19.35 | thewanderer1 | ok, my real problem is that fwlogwatch is unable to parse the kernel's timestamp in messages and reports every entry as unique |
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| 17:37.57 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 17:38.17 | HardDisk_WP | i want to chroot all users automatically upon ssh login |
| 17:38.37 | thewanderer1 | is there any iptables log analyzer which works with iptables -j LOG? |
| 17:38.48 | HardDisk_WP | and i want to provide every directory on the system, except the home-dirs of other users, and /tmp as each user gets own /tmp in the chroot |
| 17:38.57 | HardDisk_WP | how do i do thisß |
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| 17:39.50 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: maybe you should try pam_namespace... why would you need chrooting anyway? it's quite pointless unless you don't manage your permissions right |
| 17:40.18 | cusco | you can take a look at http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/ |
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| 17:40.46 | ksx4system | is dash prompt changeable? for example from simple $ to user@hostname:[pwd goes here]$ |
| 17:40.57 | HardDisk_WP | want to give two friends access to my server for IRC bouncers, but i dont want them to see the contents of the other users' homedirs^^ |
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| 17:41.37 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: so set permissions right |
| 17:41.44 | stew | ksx4system: yes, it uses the PS1 variable like other shells, but dash is not intended to be used as an interactive shell |
| 17:41.51 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: why aren't your home directories using 0700 in the first place? |
| 17:42.12 | HardDisk_WP | the other users have public_html dirs, apache whines around if they're not public readable |
| 17:42.23 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system: PS1="\u@\h" etc. won't work AFAIK, you need to construct PS1 in the profile or so :P |
| 17:42.49 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions - give www-data access to public_html via ACL, problem solved |
| 17:43.44 | HardDisk_WP | looks nice, thanks for the hint |
| 17:43.55 | stew | or have public_html by a symlink to somewhere else in the filesystem that www-data has access to |
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| 18:06.19 | genfool | does anyone here use xbmc?, having an issue with old jaunty repo ... wondering what repo others are using |
| 18:07.48 | boudiccas | genfool; "Not I" said the pig! |
| 18:08.09 | jhutchins_lt | genfool: People here are using Debian. You might want to ask in #ubuntu. |
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| 18:09.29 | moele | is upgrading from stable/squeeze to unstable/wheezy really as easy as changing apt sources.list and running apt-get update/upgrade? |
| 18:09.45 | genfool | boudiccas, I want a crash course in debian, not ubuntu, I have no clue what the latest ubuntu is ....xbmc for linux refers to ubuntu repos |
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| 18:10.37 | boudiccas | genfool; wrong! I said ....... "Not I" said the pig! ........... You're confusing me with jhutchins |
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| 18:11.32 | genfool | apt-get install xbmc is showing broken packages, I will figure it out :) |
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| 18:11.53 | jhutchins_lt | genfool: We wouldn't have any information pertaining to a jaunty repo. |
| 18:12.01 | wols_ | moele: /msg dselect squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:12.21 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions xbmc |
| 18:12.21 | judd | Package xbmc on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 10.0-0.5; wheezy-multimedia: 10.1-0.4; sid-multimedia: 10.1-0.5 |
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| 18:12.57 | jhutchins_lt | genfool: Mixing packages from Ubuntu on a debian installation is very likely to lead to an opportunity to do a clean reinstall. |
| 18:13.03 | genfool | jhutchins, I was hoping maybe someone here uses xbmc, might have a better guid then what I found |
| 18:13.10 | jhutchins_lt | genfool: It's a VERY BAD IDEA. |
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| 18:13.25 | jhutchins_lt | genfool: Why not just use the debian packages? |
| 18:13.30 | moele | wols, im talking wheezy to sid sorry |
| 18:13.36 | boudiccas | genfool; I hope you've got good backups |
| 18:13.38 | moele | moele, my bad |
| 18:13.59 | jhutchins_lt | %why not sid |
| 18:13.59 | dselect | sid is <unstable> (you should know that). It's not recommended unless you're a developer or have extensive Debian experience. Please consider stable, or tell us why <sns syndrome> is not why you're using unstable. |
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| 18:15.46 | genfool | jhutchins, is it in sid? I switched my repos to testing, will switch right now if it is in sid |
| 18:16.07 | jhutchins_lt | genfool: See message from judd above - it's in dmm. |
| 18:16.29 | wols_ | genfool: switching debian branches mindlessly is not a good way to do things |
| 18:16.37 | wols_ | genfool: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 18:18.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | I am doing a fresh install of Squeeze on my netbook. During the install I get the message "The missing firmware files are: b43/ucode15.fw b43-open/ucode15.fw" Can I find the firmware in any of the non-free packages or is it my responsibility to hunt them down online? |
| 18:19.20 | jhutchins_lt | !firmware |
| 18:19.27 | jhutchins_lt | %firmware |
| 18:19.27 | dselect | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 18:19.53 | wols_ | %wl |
| 18:19.54 | dselect | wl is Broadcom's proprietary wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (802.11g) and BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) chipsets; 43227 and 43228 are supported in <testing>. Monitor mode is not available. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . See also <brcm80211>. For support of other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. |
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| 18:23.25 | genfool | whoo Ho00o sid is 367 updates, wonder if I just earned my first debian chroot |
| 18:24.42 | wols_ | genfool: why did you switch to sid? is there any rational reason for it? |
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| 18:26.27 | CannedCorn | hey what is the command to see what services are running |
| 18:26.35 | CannedCorn | like /etc/init.d/status |
| 18:26.48 | genfool | wols_, xbmc, I thought I just heard I can get it there, My goal is to learn to admin debian, need to break a few eggs to make omelet |
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| 18:27.19 | DasEi | CannedCorn: ps aux, ot top or htop |
| 18:27.32 | wols_ | genfool: no you don't. and NO ONE in here ever told you you'd get it there. no one at all |
| 18:27.35 | DasEi | or* |
| 18:27.50 | DasEi | CannedCorn: I use htop mostly |
| 18:27.58 | Bushmills | CannedCorn: netstat, if you imply "network" with services |
| 18:28.02 | wols_ | DasEi: that doesn't tell him what he asked |
| 18:28.13 | CannedCorn | DasEi that sucks, isn't there a better way to see not all processes or network processes but services |
| 18:28.22 | CannedCorn | like httpd, mysql, etc |
| 18:28.41 | wols_ | CannedCorn: rcconf you could use. only shows stuff that is started in runlevel X, not what is actually running right now |
| 18:28.42 | neeef | I bet wheezy is going to have gnome3 pretty soon, I see some gnome 3 stuff coming in, like gnome-terminal is 3.0.1 |
| 18:28.42 | CannedCorn | again, not processes but init.d scripts that are running services and their status |
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| 18:28.55 | CannedCorn | eh, that kinda sucks |
| 18:28.56 | CannedCorn | hrmm |
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| 18:29.02 | CannedCorn | ok, thanks guys |
| 18:29.42 | Bushmills | CannedCorn: an init.d script is not a service |
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| 18:30.26 | neeef | i cant get stunnel to work in the runlevels it wants to run at, i have to restart it in rc.local for some reason |
| 18:30.35 | CannedCorn | yeah, other distros have a nice rc-status script that can show you what services are running |
| 18:30.37 | genfool | wols_, I have beta test for another distro for a few years, Am comfortable with breaking things, all my experience is on gentoo, I want to learn more, sid is fine |
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| 18:30.54 | CannedCorn | debian should look into doing something like that, very helpful to see what is running at a glance |
| 18:30.56 | Bushmills | CannedCorn: we don't even know yet what you call "services" |
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| 18:31.15 | FreeMem | which runlevel is the default for debian? |
| 18:31.19 | CannedCorn | i call a web server, database server, etc service |
| 18:31.21 | CannedCorn | s |
| 18:31.34 | wols_ | %runlevel |
| 18:31.35 | dselect | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
| 18:31.41 | CannedCorn | i shouldn't have to care which packages processes are providign them |
| 18:31.49 | Bushmills | there are only 3 services? i don't know the "etc" service, btw |
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| 18:32.10 | FreeMem | so 2 would be the default multiuser? |
| 18:32.15 | CannedCorn | dns, http, email for example |
| 18:32.19 | CannedCorn | you know what i mean bushmills |
| 18:32.56 | wols_ | is udev a "service" or not? is hal? is nfs? is mountall? CannedCorn your definition is simply bogus |
| 18:32.57 | Bushmills | if i knew, i hadn't asked you what you call "services" |
| 18:33.07 | wols_ | %daemon |
| 18:33.07 | dselect | daemon is probably process that runs in the background attending to various tasks without human intervention, or "Disk And Execution MONitor". Daemons typically have no controlling terminal; see http://www.steve.org.uk/Reference/Unix/faq_2.html#SEC16 for details on implementing a daemon. |
| 18:33.22 | CannedCorn | network services, so udev would not be, not would hal, nfs would |
| 18:33.29 | berserkr | hi all, I have a question. By default debian is configured securely to be shared hosting server??? |
| 18:33.30 | CannedCorn | nor would hal* |
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| 18:33.37 | wols_ | there are no "services" in linux. we don't run pseudo VMS here |
| 18:34.08 | DasEi | CannedCorn: is vi /etc/services your like ? |
| 18:34.36 | CannedCorn | yeah |
| 18:34.59 | wols_ | berserkr: no |
| 18:35.21 | wols_ | berserkr: I don't know any distro which is |
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| 18:37.48 | FreeMem | wols out of the 2,3,4,5 " multiuser / identical" run levels which is the one that would run by default? 2? |
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| 18:38.45 | wols_ | FreeMem: less /etc/inittab |
| 18:38.59 | DasEi | berserkr: there good tuts aca securing debian, in general the less is attachable from internet, the better you are off, and the question is too complex to be answered in one line |
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| 18:39.11 | DasEi | are* |
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| 18:39.44 | berserkr | ok, thanks i saw an interesting tutorial about this |
| 18:39.46 | berserkr | ;D |
| 18:40.11 | wols_ | %harden |
| 18:40.12 | dselect | To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>. |
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| 18:41.56 | DasEi | wols: there is no bastille in debian ? |
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| 18:42.53 | wols_ | %bastille |
| 18:42.54 | dselect | Bastille Unix is an interactive hardening script for the Linux operating system. Packaged for Lenny, not included in Squeeze due to Debian bug #524599. http://www.bastille-unix.org/ See also <security> and <securing debian>. |
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| 18:43.58 | DasEi | berserkr: the above won't save you from deeper research, but is a simple upstart for your intend |
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| 18:45.26 | FreeMem | thanks wols. (For the runlevel info. I didn't know finding the current level was as simple as tying runlevel) |
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| 18:46.51 | jarray52 | Is there a way to determine which package creates the directory /etc/libibverbs.d ? |
| 18:47.41 | homie | libibverbs ? |
| 18:48.04 | homie | dpkg -S /etc/libibverbs.d |
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| 18:48.39 | FreeMem | wols - I used to do init 2, init 4 init 2 etc to get to the correct runlevel for YEARS now. hahah (or even telinint) Now instead of forcing the runlevel by changing it over and over I can check which one I am actually in first. |
| 18:49.59 | wols_ | jarray52: not really since most likely it is created via a debconf script. basically it's "configuration" |
| 18:50.42 | wols_ | but "libibverbs1" is a strong contender. or something related to it |
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| 18:59.07 | xsdg | How do I either override or update the GPG thing so that I can run `apt-get update`? As is, my index files are sufficiently out-of-date that I basically can't install anything, and I can't update because of the GPG thing complaining about not finding the keys for my mirrors |
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| 18:59.34 | xsdg | I'm getting this for both of my mirrors: |
| 18:59.37 | xsdg | W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. |
| 18:59.54 | jarray52 | wols_: After installing libmlx4-1(mellanox drivers), that error message went away even though the directory didn't appear. The only error messge remaining is: "libibverbs: Warning: no userspace device-specific driver found for /sys/class/infiniband_verbs/uverbs0. |
| 18:59.55 | wols_ | xsdg: that is no error from apt at all. it will still work fine |
| 18:59.57 | wols_ | %keyring |
| 18:59.58 | dselect | keyring is probably a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of Debian, the public GPG keys. |
| 19:00.24 | xsdg | wols_: apt-get _install_ will work fine. apt-get _update_ fails |
| 19:00.27 | xsdg | hence, Catch-22 |
| 19:00.43 | wols_ | xsdg: no it does not |
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| 19:01.08 | wols_ | gpg fails to auth your apt-get update run, that's all. /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 19:01.15 | xsdg | wols_: suppose that I've tried it and it does fail... |
| 19:01.27 | wols_ | xsdg: what debian branch are you on? |
| 19:01.49 | xsdg | wols_: unstable, but my laptop's been off for a few months |
| 19:02.10 | wols_ | seem what I wrote above |
| 19:02.27 | wols_ | also check what error gpg complained about |
| 19:03.00 | wols_ | xsdg: pastebin your FULL apt-get update output |
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| 19:04.34 | xsdg | wols_: http://codepad.org/RYsheovU |
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| 19:05.21 | wm4 | which package was that thing that is supposed to replace the hibernate package? |
| 19:05.32 | wm4 | because hibernate is apparently unmaintained |
| 19:06.15 | wols_ | pm-utils ? |
| 19:06.26 | wols_ | xsdg: get the debian-archive-keyring |
| 19:06.30 | wm4 | right, thanks |
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| 19:06.54 | wm4 | if pm-utils had depended on uswsusp, I'd have found it myself |
| 19:07.08 | wols_ | uswsusp is no more in debian |
| 19:07.13 | wm4 | wat |
| 19:07.17 | jarray52 | wols_: That error was fixed by adding btl=^openib to /etc/openmpi/openmpi-mca-params.conf. Thanks. |
| 19:07.18 | wols_ | %uswsusp |
| 19:07.19 | dselect | Squeeze users: remove the uswsusp package and use pm-hibernate/pm-suspend from the pm-utils package instead. In lenny, uswsusp was a package for userspace software <suspend>, including the s2ram and s2disk programs. Use of <initramfs> is required. Not available for Squeeze due to Debian bugs #498917, #503337, #521147, #528483. http://suspend.sf.net/ |
| 19:07.43 | wm4 | I thought pm-utils simply used uswsusp |
| 19:09.01 | xsdg | wols_: I did, and that got `apt-get update` working again. thanks |
| 19:09.16 | wm4 | other question, how can I implement the "UpInterfaces auto" option in pm-utils? |
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| 19:13.59 | wm4 | wols_: but isn't /usr/sbin/s2disk provided by the uswsusp package? |
| 19:14.20 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.34 | wm4 | yes I'm talking about pm-hibernate |
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| 19:15.51 | wols_ | wm4: there is no /usr/sbin/s2disk in squeeze |
| 19:16.35 | wm4 | my theory is that pm-utils checks for its existence and uses it if it does |
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| 19:17.08 | wols_ | and you have this theory why? |
| 19:18.08 | wm4 | ok my theory was right |
| 19:18.23 | wm4 | wols_: because it seemed to use the uswsusp configuration |
| 19:18.35 | wm4 | when I uninstall uswsusp, it uses some other method |
| 19:18.49 | wm4 | now how do I get back uswsusp features like progress display, or ability to cancel suspend? |
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| 19:19.56 | wols_ | wm4: you have some funny thinking and even funnier theories |
| 19:20.24 | wm4 | wols_: how is a theory funny if it's correct |
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| 19:21.50 | genfool | seems I read earlier that a us mirror was having problems, I wonder if this is my problem, http://pastebin.com/1AfUpeHJ |
| 19:21.53 | wols_ | wm4: it doesn't use s2disk for anything. ever. |
| 19:22.12 | wols_ | wm4: and have you checked the manpage? |
| 19:22.21 | wm4 | wols_: from the manpage "The kernel backend is always used if nothing else is available." |
| 19:22.34 | wm4 | wols_: " uswsusp If your system has support for the userspace suspend programs (s2ram/s2disk/s2both), then use this." |
| 19:22.41 | wm4 | wols_: now can I call you a funny guy |
| 19:22.51 | wols_ | genfool: you are wrong. you ignorance about sid is your problem. there are no sid security updates... |
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| 19:23.33 | ksx4system | my machine started to work EXTREMELLY slow, without any reason (i checked every single log file, every single app settings - everything seems to be ok) |
| 19:23.52 | genfool | wols_, I will take that as constructive and thank you :) |
| 19:24.08 | ksx4system | funny thing: it sometimes goes back to normal if i just update apt repositories |
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| 19:24.33 | wols_ | ksx4system: maybe you should check running processes instead when it's slow? |
| 19:25.19 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system: looking at what 'top' shows is nice, it lets you see CPU utilization, I/O wait data, and swap stats. quite often, it's swapping which slows things down. |
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| 19:25.50 | wm4 | funny how unmaintained software works better than the "current way" to do something |
| 19:25.56 | ksx4system | wols_: of course i did it! but if i kill all running apps it's still slow. so slow that i must wait ~20sec after typing something to see it on screen |
| 19:26.06 | wm4 | I guess this just proves how much Linux and open source in general sucks goat dicks |
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| 19:26.34 | stew | wm4: lets's please keep the conversation constructive |
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| 19:26.45 | ksx4system | thewandererl: it runs so slow that top can't refresh faster than once per few minutes |
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| 19:27.44 | ksx4system | i unloaded (modprobe -r name) all kernel modules that i don't need too (and i wrote commands for doing this in /etc/rc.local) |
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| 19:28.19 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system: you might want to consider using cgroup-based scheduling if the slow-downs pose a major issue to you |
| 19:28.21 | stew | ksx4system: you can blacklist them in modprobe.d (man modprobe.conf) to keep them from ever being loaded instad of letting them be loaded then unload them |
| 19:29.15 | wols_ | thewanderer1: would that even help in case of some IO-wait? |
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| 19:30.33 | qop | ok... whats the deal with the php install permisions? I dont get it, they always complain that something is not writeable and you need to set chmod to 666... but 666 is not rwrwrw! and the damn things fail even on 777 |
| 19:30.35 | thewanderer1 | wols_: as far as I know, CFQ should balance cgroup load whenever possible, but there are additional limitations possible like total I/O bandwidth limit |
| 19:30.46 | qop | either I am missing something or the world is crazy |
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| 19:31.45 | thewanderer1 | qop: please elaborate on that. what do you call "php install permissions"? |
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| 19:31.58 | qop | thewanderer1: usually on a lamp |
| 19:32.01 | ksx4system | thewandererl: but there was no issue. it worked just perfectly! nothing, i mean *nothing* changed in config of system/apps/whatever |
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| 19:32.29 | qop | thewanderer1: looks like every time I try one I get stuck at some point |
| 19:33.05 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system: there is certain to be a change at some point, and what you should do now is either notice it and eliminate the root of the problem, or work around it |
| 19:33.39 | thewanderer1 | qop: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:34.42 | qop | thewanderer1: installing eticket (http://www.eticketsupport.com/) |
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| 19:35.45 | qop | thewanderer1: yu know... copy files... run the index.php.... a click or two and a rename.. then it say that: settings.php' is not writable! chmod this file to 666 during installation. |
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| 19:36.19 | thewanderer1 | qop: by whom are the files owned? you should probably chown them to www-data instead of trying to chmodding them to 666 |
| 19:37.20 | jelly-home | qop: that's just the authors ofering a simple solution; if you know what you're doing, just give access to the user PHP is running as |
| 19:37.42 | qop | thewanderer1: omg silly I am, you are right... forgot... |
| 19:38.03 | jelly-home | suPHP ftw |
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| 19:41.54 | edbian | My machine's hostname is 'beethoven' It used to be 'debianbox' some apps still find 'debianbox' for things. (e.g. git) Where is it finding the old hostname? hostname command, hostname file, and bash prompt are all correct. |
| 19:42.35 | thewanderer1 | edbian: /etc/hosts ? |
| 19:43.27 | edbian | thewanderer1: good guess. Nothing is wrong in there though. |
| 19:44.24 | poisonbit | git remote set-url origin git://beethoven/whatever... ? |
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| 19:44.42 | edbian | poisonbit: why remote? |
| 19:44.48 | edbian | can you explain that command a bit? |
| 19:45.47 | edbian | I created a local git repo on beethoven and in gitk my first and only commit was by ed@debianbox |
| 19:46.13 | poisonbit | in git "remote" == a "repo" |
| 19:46.31 | poisonbit | anyway I don't know if that is your problem/fix |
| 19:47.22 | poisonbit | your last issue maybe in your ~/.gitconfig |
| 19:47.33 | edbian | in this repo? |
| 19:47.45 | edbian | or in ~ ? |
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| 19:47.51 | edbian | I guess the ~ is kinda explicit about that... |
| 19:48.00 | jarray52 | Does Debian have suppression files for Valgrind? |
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| 19:49.23 | jhutchins_lt | %valgrind |
| 19:49.23 | dselect | valgrind is, like, http://devel-home.kde.org/~sewardj/, or a l33t t00l to find memory l34kz, or capable of finding use of uninitialized memory and invalid reads/writes |
| 19:49.24 | edbian | Mmm, 'debian' does not occur in ~/.gitk I don't appear to have a ~/.gitconfig |
| 19:49.26 | edbian | strange.... |
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| 19:51.13 | jelly-home | l33t? j33z |
| 19:51.32 | jarray52 | %valgrind |
| 19:51.33 | dselect | valgrind is probably http://devel-home.kde.org/~sewardj/, or a l33t t00l to find memory l34kz, or capable of finding use of uninitialized memory and invalid reads/writes |
| 19:51.47 | edbian | It is pretty l33t |
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| 19:53.26 | qop | jelly-home: yes.. tho, 777 should work anyway ;) |
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| 19:53.45 | jarray52 | That is the valgrind I'm talking about. It's a bit too good at finding memory problems. As a result, many system libraries appear in error logs. Thus, it uses suppression files to suppress errors in system libraries. I'm wondering if Debian provides such a file for the distribution. |
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| 19:54.53 | toni | Hi! |
| 19:55.02 | qop | thewanderer1: still not working sigh.. |
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| 19:55.58 | qop | the files belong to my custom grp weblords, and httpd is member, files have 777 and still get complains that it cant write :| |
| 19:56.19 | toni | hmm |
| 19:56.49 | thewanderer1 | qop: are you running PHP in safe_mode? also, web servers don't assume supplementary groups |
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| 19:57.29 | thewanderer1 | if you set, say, Apache to httpd:www-data, and httpd is a member of weblords, the web server process will not be in weblords |
| 19:57.42 | qop | thewanderer1: I dont know... |
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| 19:58.09 | qop | oh |
| 19:58.36 | qop | but it still belongs... |
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| 19:59.19 | qop | so, I need to set all the www-data to httpd owner then? cause tehy are lol |
| 20:00.20 | qop | I'll check php safe mode... |
| 20:01.02 | ckop64 | hi guys, i'm thinking about switching to debian stable, and I'd like to have a question: if a package in the repositories is dated and I need a newer version of that package because I miss some functionality what is the primary way of getting that application? Is it only compiling from source or is there an other (possibly more convenient) way of doing it? |
| 20:01.49 | peterrooney | ckop64: backports |
| 20:01.57 | jhutchins_lt | ckop64: Usually functionallity is fully enabled. If there is real new functionality that doesn't break other things the package may be backported. |
| 20:02.02 | peterrooney | dpkg: backports |
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| 20:02.21 | jhutchins_lt | ckop64: Assuming that a package with a higher version number than the Debian stable package is somehow "better" is often misguided. |
| 20:02.27 | peterrooney | dselect: backports |
| 20:02.27 | dselect | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 20:02.51 | dork_ | Hi! I'm trying to create backports using pbuilder, but fail even at the stage where cowbuilder should create the file system: http://paste.debian.net/121780/ |
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| 20:04.00 | ckop64 | peterrooney, jhutchins: thanks for the information. |
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| 20:05.27 | peterrooney | ckop64: You're welcome. many's a time when I've had questions that others found straightforward, here. |
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| 20:07.03 | qop | thewanderer1: php safe is off. files belond to httpd and have 777 |
| 20:07.13 | ckop64 | is that the same case for a desktop environment btw? so for example can you have kde 4.7's x functionalityin kde 4.4.5? |
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| 20:07.25 | qop | as well as teh parent dirs so... Im cluekless |
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| 20:07.44 | qop | and slepy.. |
| 20:07.45 | jhutchins_lt | ckop64: No, but you do have a fully functional 4.4.5 that doesn't tend to crash. |
| 20:08.33 | jhutchins_lt | ckop64: Big systems like Gnome and KDE take a long time to properly test and debug. |
| 20:08.34 | ckop64 | jhutchins, okay thanks. that kind of satisfies my needs. just askin' |
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| 20:10.41 | wols_ | qop: do the files belong to the user httpd or to the user www-data? |
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| 20:17.47 | mark761 | Is there a program I can install that'll keep track of all my crashes? |
| 20:17.55 | qop | wols_: httpd... checking |
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| 20:19.06 | jhutchins_lt | mark761: ? |
| 20:20.11 | mark761 | I need something |
| 20:20.19 | mark761 | I need to know why it keeps crashing |
| 20:20.27 | mark761 | It's just so bloody random |
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| 20:21.31 | mark761 | Last time it crashed to a ttyl, or whatever its called, with a wall of text I couldn't possibly remember |
| 20:22.17 | mark761 | Sometimes the mouse and keyboard become unresponsive |
| 20:22.34 | pingouin | nothing in some logs ? |
| 20:22.41 | mark761 | Logs? |
| 20:22.52 | genfool | mark761, does dmesg or .xsession-errors show anything |
| 20:22.58 | sauvin | keyboard and mouse can freeze when system has heavy io |
| 20:23.04 | mark761 | Hang on |
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| 20:24.21 | genfool | mark761, /var/log/messages need to check them right after you recover from the crash |
| 20:25.41 | mark761 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/637634/ |
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| 20:27.53 | mark761 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/637636/ |
| 20:29.39 | mark761 | I booted up just after Top Gear |
| 20:30.01 | mark761 | And crashed soon after that |
| 20:30.04 | mark761 | Ironically |
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| 20:32.27 | jhutchins_lt | Are they running new episodes now? |
| 20:32.33 | mark761 | Yep :) |
| 20:32.40 | jhutchins_lt | mark761: I presume this is squeeze - what video chipset? |
| 20:32.41 | mark761 | Second one tonight |
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| 20:32.47 | mark761 | Nvidia |
| 20:33.05 | jhutchins_lt | mark761: Specific model numbers matter... |
| 20:33.21 | mark761 | I don't know |
| 20:33.59 | genfool | mark761, lspci |
| 20:34.04 | jhutchins_lt | lspci | grep VGA |
| 20:34.57 | mark761 | nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2) |
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| 20:35.09 | mark761 | That one |
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| 20:37.26 | nsadmin | , versions members |
| 20:37.27 | judd | Package members on i386 -- lenny: 20080128-4; sid: 20080128-5; squeeze: 20080128-5; wheezy: 20080128-5 |
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| 20:37.47 | jhutchins_lt | mark761: Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#X_.28or_the_complete_machine_when_running_X.29_is_unstable |
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| 20:37.59 | functor | what are the libs to run 32 in 64 |
| 20:38.22 | nsadmin | would run 42 |
| 20:38.33 | nsadmin | because that's at least everything |
| 20:38.54 | mark761 | According to lsmod|grep 'rivafb\|vesafb\|nvidiafb' I don't seem to be running a frame buffer Jhutchins |
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| 20:39.34 | nsadmin | ! test |
| 20:39.42 | mark761 | grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf 2>&1|grep nvidia returns nothing |
| 20:40.17 | nsadmin | ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 20:40.54 | mark761 | I don't have xorg.conf |
| 20:41.16 | nsadmin | that's pretty normal |
| 20:41.18 | mark761 | In X11 |
| 20:41.22 | mark761 | Okay |
| 20:41.40 | cusco | where is dpkg? |
| 20:41.42 | cusco | !test |
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| 20:42.18 | nsadmin | dselect, listkeys 32 |
| 20:42.20 | dselect | Factoid search of '32' by key (15 of 134): #debian-bots w32codecs ;; 132! ;; 32-bit chips ;; _default qotd132 ;; bcm4322 ;; bcm43228 ;; rfc132 ;; rfc1732 ;; rfc1832 ;; rfc32 ;; rfc323 ;; rfc325 ;; user accessible fat32 ;; wda-1320 ;; win32-loader. |
| 20:43.21 | mark761 | Is there anything I can do? |
| 20:43.41 | nsadmin | what do you want to do? |
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| 20:44.35 | mark761 | Stop X crashing? |
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| 20:44.46 | mark761 | Or the video driver. Whichever |
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| 20:45.21 | nsadmin | do you know the reason why it crashes? |
| 20:45.22 | valdyn | mark761: so its your X, not the whole system that crashes now? |
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| 20:45.57 | kittonian | can anyone test an svn url for me? i'm getting connection refused |
| 20:46.05 | kittonian | svn.twistedmatrix.com |
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| 20:46.28 | kittonian | it's over an svn:// link |
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| 20:46.42 | nsadmin | svn.twistedmatrix.com returns pings. |
| 20:46.52 | kittonian | i can svn to an http:// url no problem |
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| 20:47.26 | nsadmin | web server on svn.twistedmatrix.com returns result |
| 20:47.30 | mark761 | Something crashes valdyn. |
| 20:47.40 | mark761 | And I want it to stop |
| 20:47.42 | kittonian | see if this work |
| 20:47.43 | kittonian | svn co svn://svn.twistedmatrix.com/svn/Twisted/trunk |
| 20:47.59 | kittonian | *works |
| 20:48.14 | valdyn | kittonian: seems to be firewalled |
| 20:48.23 | valdyn | kittonian: various services are accessible though |
| 20:49.11 | kittonian | valdyn: does that mean that you cannot run that command and get the repository? |
| 20:49.22 | valdyn | kittonian: yes |
| 20:49.32 | kittonian | well, at least it's not just me :) |
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| 20:49.54 | nsadmin | it hangs without output (so far) |
| 20:49.54 | valdyn | kittonian: no route to host |
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| 20:50.06 | valdyn | kittonian: so its not just a service ( svn ) thats not running |
| 20:50.07 | kittonian | yup, that's what I'm seeing too |
| 20:50.17 | nsadmin | but... |
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| 20:50.21 | valdyn | kittonian: its a router acting badly |
| 20:50.27 | nsadmin | the machine is up, and there's a web server there |
| 20:50.34 | valdyn | nsadmin: yes |
| 20:50.38 | kittonian | yes, the web server part seems to be working just fine |
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| 20:50.55 | nsadmin | is svn: on a different port? |
| 20:51.00 | mark761 | I assumed X is what you all called the Unix/Linux OS |
| 20:51.06 | kittonian | svn runs by default on port 3690 |
| 20:51.11 | valdyn | kittonian: that "router" can be the destination host too, in theory |
| 20:51.27 | valdyn | nsadmin: but its replying that theres no route when accessed on the svn port |
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| 20:51.41 | mark761 | Maybe it's the desktop |
| 20:51.42 | kittonian | valdyn: yes, that's what i'm getting |
| 20:51.49 | kittonian | just wanted to make sure it wasn't on my end somehow |
| 20:51.49 | valdyn | mark761: X is the software that enables the graphical interface |
| 20:51.58 | kittonian | it's been like that all morning |
| 20:51.58 | mark761 | Aha |
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| 20:52.09 | kittonian | and i can't install the latest darwin server without it |
| 20:52.10 | mark761 | Would that crash to a wall of text valdyn? |
| 20:52.11 | kittonian | grrrr |
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| 20:52.21 | grey_gandalf | hi all |
| 20:52.24 | nsadmin | svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.twistedmatrix.com': Connection timed out |
| 20:52.38 | valdyn | mark761: well, not necesarily a wall of text, but a virtual console, which can only display text anyway |
| 20:52.39 | kittonian | thank you for your help |
| 20:52.43 | nsadmin | so I guess packets are getting dropped |
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| 20:53.07 | valdyn | mark761: ctrl-alt-fx can switch between those walls of text and X |
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| 20:53.19 | grey_gandalf | I have a strange problem were after an upgrade, my laptop doesn't recognize pcmia cards anymore, both LAN and WiFI, which is pretty incovenient. |
| 20:53.29 | grey_gandalf | I can't see them with lspci, nor see I the devices |
| 20:53.39 | valdyn | nsadmin: ok, were not getting the same error |
| 20:53.56 | mark761 | I'll see if I can do that next time valdyn |
| 20:54.12 | grey_gandalf | could someone running on debian if you see the devies by /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ? |
| 20:54.24 | grey_gandalf | I don't see any /dev/disk* |
| 20:54.27 | valdyn | mark761: you can log in there and do anything you could do in an X terminal |
| 20:54.49 | valdyn | grey_gandalf: we do |
| 20:54.57 | mark761 | My keyboard usually becomes unresponsive valdyn |
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| 20:55.07 | nsadmin | grey_gandalf, I already know I'm using some uuids, so I'm assuming that dir is there |
| 20:55.18 | jhutchins_lt | grey_gandalf: Upgrade from what to what? |
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| 20:55.30 | valdyn | mark761: in your wall of text theres no "getty" program running, that is all |
| 20:55.45 | grey_gandalf | valdyn: then that looks like a problem. I tried to downgrade to the slighly previous version of the kernel, but grub-probe fails because it doesn't find the disks |
| 20:55.47 | valdyn | mark761: try ctrl-alt-fx there and you might still see something |
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| 20:56.16 | grey_gandalf | jtrucks: I sort of track unstable |
| 20:56.31 | grey_gandalf | jhutchins_lt: I sort of track unstable |
| 20:56.38 | grey_gandalf | 2.6.38 kernel |
| 20:56.45 | mark761 | Shouldn't I have getty installed? |
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| 20:57.03 | valdyn | mark761: you cant be running debian without having getty, dont mess with it |
| 20:57.21 | mark761 | But you said I don't have getty |
| 20:57.48 | valdyn | mark761: its a program that runs on virtual consoles, but theres one virtual console that has X running ( or had X running ) |
| 20:57.58 | valdyn | mark761: that virtual console has no getty - the others do |
| 20:58.06 | grey_gandalf | It's an older laptop, but I see some serious problem here |
| 20:58.11 | mark761 | Actually I don't have any getty |
| 20:58.19 | grey_gandalf | if i can't see a device when I insert it in the slot |
| 20:58.19 | mark761 | Which one should I install? |
| 20:58.24 | valdyn | mark761: none |
| 20:58.39 | grey_gandalf | may it be udev' |
| 20:58.41 | grey_gandalf | ? |
| 20:58.51 | valdyn | mark761: "ps aux | grep getty" |
| 20:58.53 | grey_gandalf | I hecked and I have most firmware packages installed, so it shouldn't be that |
| 20:58.59 | valdyn | mark761: run that command, you will see your gettys |
| 20:59.15 | mark761 | Yep |
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| 20:59.21 | jarray52 | Has anyone attempted to run Alinea ddt or TotalView on Debian? |
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| 20:59.53 | valdyn | mark761: now try "ctrl-alt-f1" to see it live and ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to X, or maybe ctrl-alt-f8 or 9 |
| 21:00.13 | jhutchins_lt | grey_gandalf: You may find better support at #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 21:00.35 | mark761 | Yes I've done that |
| 21:00.39 | grey_gandalf | why -next? |
| 21:00.49 | grey_gandalf | that's not NeXT hardware :) |
| 21:00.50 | valdyn | mark761: this is all relics from the stone age ( like the 60ies ), but its still useful |
| 21:00.53 | jhutchins_lt | grey_gandalf: It's for testing and unstable support. |
| 21:00.53 | mark761 | The issue is not whether that works now but whether it works next time I crash |
| 21:01.05 | valdyn | mark761: yes, right |
| 21:01.09 | grey_gandalf | let's try |
| 21:01.20 | grey_gandalf | I hoped in some general help to check that I didn't botch something |
| 21:01.42 | jelly-home | grey_gandalf: that channel is for testing and unstable, compared to #debian |
| 21:02.02 | grey_gandalf | let's try :) |
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| 21:04.24 | cusco | hi martchukov |
| 21:04.34 | cusco | are you the same martchukov from chan_datacard? |
| 21:04.50 | martchukov | no. Are there martchukov too? |
| 21:04.58 | cusco | sorry my mistake |
| 21:05.13 | martchukov | no problem |
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| 21:06.09 | cusco | help! |
| 21:06.12 | Serpher | I have a PHP script to upload files to my Debian server but I keep getting errors about permissions. What are the apropriate permissions to allow this? |
| 21:06.24 | cusco | I just upgraded and when I open a gnome-terminal I read:** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap' |
| 21:06.37 | cusco | I have no such file neither |
| 21:07.47 | danieldg | quick question about dpkg: is there a plan to move off MD5 for debsums? I'd prefer to not use MD5 for checking, but I'd like to have checksums generated by the package manager if possible |
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| 21:08.04 | MrFrood | cusco: take a look at the output of |
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| 21:08.28 | MrFrood | toe -a | grep gnome |
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| 21:15.07 | nsadmin | danieldg, curious, what's wrong with md5? |
| 21:16.05 | danieldg | nsadmin: potential collisions; I'm using it to deduplicate files in a backup and I can't use MD5 for the whole thing because of that |
| 21:16.48 | danieldg | nsadmin: I'm reducing the size of the backup by not storing files that I can get elsewhere, which includes any file that matches a debian package's MD5sum |
| 21:18.06 | wols_ | how is md5sums worse than other hashing algorithms? |
| 21:18.21 | danieldg | md5sum has collisions that are trivial to generate |
| 21:18.24 | wols_ | ie as long as you don't deliberately attack the hash of course |
| 21:19.13 | wols_ | so your deduplication thing attacks the hashing function deliberately? must be some strange dedup... |
| 21:19.35 | nsadmin | what about sha1s? |
| 21:19.51 | danieldg | wols_: it's really very simple: you make a list of files by MD5sum and only store once per MD5sum |
| 21:19.54 | mark761 | Is the Murrine gtk2 engine depreciated? |
| 21:20.02 | danieldg | nsadmin: that's what I'm using currently |
| 21:20.14 | wols_ | danieldg: I know what dedup is... |
| 21:20.16 | danieldg | the problem is I have to generate the sha1s manually for all debian packages |
| 21:20.29 | danieldg | wols_: then I didn't understand your question |
| 21:20.51 | wols_ | yes I know |
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| 21:21.09 | nsadmin | typically if you get a collision you could check a different way |
| 21:21.40 | danieldg | nsadmin: or you could use a hash without collisions... |
| 21:22.10 | danieldg | it's very hard to check a different way if you don't have the file, just the checksum in a list of already-seen files |
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| 21:22.40 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure all hashes have collisions |
| 21:23.07 | danieldg | nsadmin: theoretically, yes. But stronger hashes don't have any known ones |
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| 21:25.00 | wols_ | who attacks your dedup hashes? |
| 21:25.04 | cusco | thanks MrFrood |
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| 21:25.41 | nsadmin | ok, why would dpkg have to not use md5 for your thing to work? |
| 21:25.53 | danieldg | wols_: well, myself for one (I have MD5 collisions stored, which is one reason I don't use MD5 to dedup) |
| 21:26.24 | wols_ | you are actively looking for collisions yourself? |
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| 21:27.01 | danieldg | nsadmin: it wouldn't have to, but it would be much simpler if it did. Also, it would make it impossible for someone to switch out files in debs that appear to match checksums |
| 21:27.11 | danieldg | wols_: no, I just have a few sitting around |
| 21:28.21 | danieldg | I was just curious if anyone had heard of plans to move to better hashes; sounds like not |
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| 21:32.45 | format_c | Does anybody knows a cool sound frequency analyser for linux (ultimately available through debian repos) ? |
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| 21:32.55 | format_c | cool in terms of good |
| 21:33.51 | Kromgol | Hello. I got a question, i'm thinking of setting up a LVM, but will LVM enable me to combine the three HDD's that i have? So for example i have sda, sdb and sdc. Will LVM make it so that i can use those as a single storage unit? |
| 21:34.07 | danieldg | Kromgol: yes, LVM can do that |
| 21:34.31 | Kromgol | danieldg: Easy to setup? |
| 21:34.39 | danieldg | fairly easy |
| 21:34.40 | frikinz | danieldg: the packages.gz on a repo has a md5sum, a sha1 and a sha256 |
| 21:34.58 | Kromgol | danieldg: RAID vs LVM? :D |
| 21:34.59 | frikinz | so its impossible to change a file |
| 21:35.13 | danieldg | frikinz: yes; so why do the local file lists only have MD5s? |
| 21:35.28 | danieldg | this seemed like an oversight to me |
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| 21:36.26 | berserkr | Hello, Any one know what package I need to make a "connect with server" with all the interface has debian normally??? I installed a minimal gnome and I don't see any... |
| 21:36.47 | danieldg | Kromgol: LVM doesn't give you the redundancy part of RAID, at least not by default |
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| 21:37.09 | ujjain | has anybody here done Linux from Scratch? |
| 21:37.14 | danieldg | Kromgol: it's common to stack LVM on top of a RAID device, though |
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| 21:37.21 | Kromgol | danieldg: How come? |
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| 21:37.39 | danieldg | Kromgol: in order to be able to manage volumes on it |
| 21:37.55 | danieldg | Kromgol: commonly for VMs or multiple filesystems |
| 21:38.02 | format_c | ujjain, well I think most people here have debian obviously ;) |
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| 21:38.42 | Kromgol | danieldg: Mkay, thanks :D |
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| 21:38.54 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 21:39.04 | format_c | hello Klaus_Dieter |
| 21:39.14 | ujjain | format_c: right, but LFS seems good for learning, not for running |
| 21:39.26 | format_c | definetly |
| 21:39.50 | frikinz | danieldg: historical reasons probably, it could be changed yes although this is used for upgrades. there's still very low probabilty a random collision happens |
| 21:39.53 | vlt | Kromgol: LVM makes it very easy to resize devices, take snapshots, or replace the physical volumes used to build a "volume group". |
| 21:40.10 | format_c | I'd thought about do it in the past, but didn't found the time for the self-punishment. hence I used Gentoo as a way in between |
| 21:40.20 | danieldg | frikinz: I suppose it'd be useful to wait for sha-3 to be chosen to change it |
| 21:40.43 | format_c | s/do/too/ |
| 21:40.43 | Kromgol | Mkay. |
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| 21:41.30 | cusco | hey... |
| 21:41.46 | cusco | nvidia module is loaded but xorg.0.log says module does not exist |
| 21:41.48 | themill | danieldg: I've missed various bits of this conversation, but I presume that you know that .debs hashes of md5 and sha1 and sha256 are then signed ... I don't think hash collisions are much of an issue. |
| 21:41.51 | cusco | what can I do? |
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| 21:42.28 | format_c | I'd state LVM is an alternative way of manageing partitions. |
| 21:42.46 | danieldg | themill: the signing is on the Packages.gz file, and it protects at install time (assuming apt is smart enough to not just verify one checksum) |
| 21:43.03 | cusco | !nvidia |
| 21:43.03 | vlt | format_c: It's way more than that. |
| 21:43.07 | cusco | ,nvidia |
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| 21:43.11 | cusco | :| |
| 21:43.14 | danieldg | themill: I'm kinda looking for a shortcut to checking after install time |
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| 21:43.53 | frikinz | danieldg: no also during updates |
| 21:44.04 | danieldg | frikinz: agreed, but updates are just installs of new versions |
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| 21:44.17 | themill | danieldg: ahh. correct. There was some talk of changing md5sums a while back to something else (see md5sums thread about a year ago on debian-devel), but there was no great feeling that this added anything to the situation, really. |
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| 21:44.55 | danieldg | themill: true, the manpage for debsums does point to things like tripwire for integrity checks |
| 21:45.28 | format_c | cusco, lsmod lists the module? |
| 21:45.38 | themill | danieldg: yeah, if you're really thinking that you're in line for someone crafting md5sum hash collisions as a route to attack you, then you've got other problems... |
| 21:45.53 | cusco | format_c: yes |
| 21:45.54 | danieldg | themill: not really. MD5 collisions aren't hard to generate at all anymore |
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| 21:46.08 | cusco | I cannot install nvidia-glx because libgl1-mesa-glx is installed |
| 21:46.11 | cusco | what can I do? |
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| 21:46.25 | berserkr | Hello, Any one know what package I need to make a "connect with server" with all the interface has debian normally??? I installed a minimal gnome and I don't see any... |
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| 21:47.44 | format_c | cusco, I don't have nvidia-glx installed but use the nvidia driver from NVIDIA downloaded from the website |
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| 21:48.01 | wols_ | berserkr: network-manager? |
| 21:48.13 | cusco | well I used to too, but I just thought of installing nvidia-kernel-dkms instead |
| 21:48.16 | format_c | the only disadvantage is, that I have to rerun the installation routine after each kernel upgrade |
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| 21:48.24 | cusco | so I don't need to keep reinstaling the nvidia.run |
| 21:48.31 | cusco | that... |
| 21:48.52 | cusco | so what can I do? |
| 21:49.01 | wols_ | cusco: not use testing? |
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| 21:49.20 | nsadmin | berserkr, gnome has zero to do with networking... you could have NO gnome, NO x, NO gui at all and still have networking' |
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| 21:49.57 | cusco | heh |
| 21:50.26 | cusco | thats the kind of answer that will kick me back into nvidia installer :| |
| 21:50.56 | nsadmin | don't let anyone kick you! |
| 21:51.08 | fredden | am seeing an expired Release file on the NZ mirror for squeeze-updates: E: Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 1h 23min 53s) |
| 21:51.23 | cusco | lol |
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| 21:51.44 | nsadmin | seriously... you have full choice. |
| 21:52.16 | jelly-home | dselect, tell cusco about wheezy |
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| 21:52.46 | jelly-home | cusco: short answer: use nvidia-* bits from sid. Long answer -- ask in the appropriate channel |
| 21:53.24 | themill | fredden: looks like the nz mirror hasn't been properly updated. You could try a different mirror (/msg dselect mirrors), try the cdn network (/msg dselect geo sources.list) or just ignore that problem hoping that the mirror is fixed soon (kicking mirror admin is optional) |
| 21:54.01 | cusco | kk thanks |
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| 21:54.09 | Klaus_Dieter | I am running squeeze on an arm system and upon installing proftpd I get: http://pastebin.com/QKQKpHZc what should I do to investigate? |
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| 21:55.21 | Craigwd_2000 | I have good reason to believe that Windows may be mis-reporting my hardware information through its Device Manager Control Panel applet... I recently downloaded a Windows based utility by the name of Unknown Devices...; let's just say that the information it showed me blew my mind... (and I don't mean that in a good way either...) |
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| 21:56.44 | boudiccas | Klaus_Dieter; put on a rumpled mac, only see out of your right eye, and get into the habit of just when you leave someone, suddenly turn round and say "oh, and i almost forgot. where were you on the afternoon of .....fooday..? " |
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| 21:57.18 | Craigwd_2000 | The model number of my HP laptop is now seriously in question at this point as such... |
| 21:57.30 | wols_ | Craigwd_2000: I seriously doubt windows does such things, but: this is debian related how? |
| 21:58.23 | Klaus_Dieter | thank boudiccas that was very helpful |
| 21:58.26 | Klaus_Dieter | s |
| 21:58.59 | Craigwd_2000 | Yeah: I keep trying lspci -v -v|less & using KInfoCenter but not even once have I ever even seen a complete listing of all of my hardware so I'm suspicious as such for those two reasons alone... |
| 21:58.59 | nsadmin | one thing you could do is read the paste for comprehension... |
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| 21:59.26 | Klaus_Dieter | nsadmin: it says broken package but what is broken |
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| 21:59.35 | wols_ | Klaus_Dieter: use aptitude (it gives a more verbose error) and check your sources.list if you don't miss the main repo |
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| 22:00.04 | cusco | thanks jelly-home nvidia from sid worked |
| 22:00.08 | Klaus_Dieter | wols_: thank you, I will try that |
| 22:00.09 | wols_ | Craigwd_2000: so what is missing from lspci -vv? |
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| 22:01.28 | wols_ | ,versions proftpd |
| 22:01.30 | judd | Package proftpd on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.1-17lenny4; lenny-proposed-updates: 1.3.1-17lenny6; lenny-security: 1.3.1-17lenny6 |
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| 22:02.19 | wols_ | Klaus_Dieter: seems there is no more proftpd package? |
| 22:02.22 | Craigwd_2000 | The sound card, the card reader & most importantly the Bluetooth Controller...; the other issue is regarding the WikiPedia Article regarding my North & South Bridges where it keeps saying that the current stepping of those two components alone is incomplete...; even in that article alone... |
| 22:03.05 | Klaus_Dieter | wols_: it might be that it is not built for arm and having only the "package missing" error would clear things up but then below (not in the paste) I get "broken package" and this is what throws me off |
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| 22:03.31 | wols_ | Klaus_Dieter: install proftpd-basic. that exists |
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| 22:03.39 | Klaus_Dieter | wols_: and apt-cache search finds it |
| 22:04.05 | wols_ | Craigwd_2000: bluetooth is pretty much never a PCI device. it's always a usb one. again: how is all this debian related? |
| 22:04.06 | Craigwd_2000 | It's as if they shipped me a laptop with only partially completed North & South Bridges if indeed that WikiPedia Article is telling the truth... |
| 22:04.18 | wols_ | Klaus_Dieter: check with apt-cache policy |
| 22:04.36 | wols_ | Craigwd_2000: you are talking gibberish |
| 22:04.56 | Craigwd_2000 | Well: I need to know if my hardware is being reported properly... |
| 22:05.38 | Klaus_Dieter | wols_: thanks, that would mean I only have to build the proftp mysql plugin instead of the whole thing |
| 22:05.46 | wols_ | you still haven't said what's wrongly reported. BT and card reader are most probably usb devices. soundcard is usually lspci. pastebin the output of lspci and lsusb please |
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| 22:06.13 | wols_ | ,info proftpd-mod-mysql |
| 22:06.14 | judd | Package proftpd-mod-mysql (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon - MySQL module. Version: 1.3.3a-6squeeze1; Size: 337.4k; Installed: 356k; Homepage: http://www.proftpd.org/ |
| 22:06.26 | wols_ | Klaus_Dieter: why would you redo that? |
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| 22:06.44 | JesusMazzei_mdx | Hello |
| 22:07.08 | p3rror | please |
| 22:07.26 | Craigwd_2000 | One of the Vendor & Device ID lookups even showed that my laptop was not even labeled with the right model number due to some questionable hardware string enumerations... |
| 22:07.27 | p3rror | I have a short question that is, when i play videos in Firefox i got no sound ? |
| 22:08.21 | JesusMazzei_mdx | really? but music and other stuff sound perfectly |
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| 22:08.52 | staykov | hey im trying to compile my linux image using make-kpkg but getting this |
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| 22:08.59 | staykov | dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.38.8-virt-vpad not in control info |
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| 22:09.44 | staykov | tried from git and with changing the tag but same issue |
| 22:10.06 | Craigwd_2000 | I used www.pcidatabase.com to confirm the dodgy Windows hardware enumeration attempts... |
| 22:11.50 | Klaus_Dieter | wols_: well after running aptitude (no changes made) and apt-cache policy proftpd-mod-mysql and proftpd-basic installed fine thank you for the hint |
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| 22:13.06 | asarch | Where is dpkg? |
| 22:13.11 | JesusMazzei_mdx | i have a short question, im trying to run 'gnome-screensaver-command -l' at startup of my session but havent been able to. i tried with the command and adding it to startup applications but nothing |
| 22:13.31 | wols_ | asarch: summer holiday |
| 22:13.40 | asarch | Oh... |
| 22:13.41 | wols_ | asarch: you can use dselect instead |
| 22:13.46 | asarch | Good for him |
| 22:13.49 | asarch | :-) |
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| 22:14.49 | Klaus_Dieter | however the mysql backend does not seem to be installed or configured correctly yet. But I can do that on my own. Thank you for the help wols_ and judd |
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| 22:15.29 | boudiccas | Klaus_Dieter; judd is a bot |
| 22:15.56 | jelly-home | judd: botsnack |
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| 22:19.41 | Klaus_Dieter | lol thanks - well then thanks to whomever programmed it |
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| 22:28.03 | asarch | Which one mesag or mesag3? |
| 22:28.20 | asarch | I need the lib package to develop OpenGL programs? |
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| 22:29.18 | pinkisntwell | how do i install a single package from testing while keeping my system as stable as possible? |
| 22:29.57 | themill | dselect: tell pinkisntwell about backports |
| 22:31.26 | pinkisntwell | this is the package i want to install: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jags&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 22:31.40 | pinkisntwell | there appears no backports version |
| 22:32.04 | jelly-home | pinkisntwell: /msg dselect simple sid backport |
| 22:33.13 | Ticho | hm, looks like current testing breaks the usage of proprietary nvidia xorg driver |
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| 22:37.41 | pinkisntwell | is there a way to do this without compiling? it's just a small package, unlikely to break anything |
| 22:40.04 | themill | pinkisntwell: if you want to use any of the packages that depend on jags, then this is unlikely to be possible; if it's truly a leaf package for you, then its dependencies would tend to indicate that you can install the testing package in stable. That said, recompiling for stable is always safer than a "quick look at the deps by some random guy on irc". |
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| 22:42.52 | pinkisntwell | themill: yeah the thing is that it needs to install about 600 MB of software to do the install, mainly a tex distribution |
| 22:43.00 | pinkisntwell | i'm quite hard for diskspace at the moment |
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| 22:43.19 | freebird_ | hello |
| 22:43.28 | vipersniper | hello |
| 22:44.28 | freebird_ | you guys, when I upgrade squeeze |
| 22:44.41 | freebird_ | I'm getting this message, * Please note that upgrading to 3.5.* series, the "map untrusted to ..... |
| 22:44.49 | freebird_ | and can't upgrade, it halts |
| 22:45.19 | freebird_ | before it says: samba (2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze4) stable-proposed-updates; urgency=low |
| 22:45.32 | freebird_ | it happens when I apt-get upgrade |
| 22:46.37 | karlpinc | freebird_: You're going from lenny to squeeze? |
| 22:46.46 | vipersniper | Just press "q" to continue with the d-u. |
| 22:46.48 | freebird_ | no, |
| 22:46.57 | freebird_ | karlpinc, |
| 22:47.00 | karlpinc | pinkisntwell: Use a usb key. |
| 22:47.10 | freebird_ | vipersniper, what's the d-u ? |
| 22:47.19 | karlpinc | freebird_: debian update |
| 22:48.01 | freebird_ | karlpinc, not update, upgrade |
| 22:48.13 | karlpinc | pinkisntwell: To get yourself extra storage that is. |
| 22:48.17 | freebird_ | worked man karlpinc |
| 22:48.18 | freebird_ | tsk |
| 22:48.28 | karlpinc | freebird_: Right. |
| 22:48.31 | freebird_ | karlpinc, how was I supposed to know that ? |
| 22:48.32 | freebird_ | q ?? |
| 22:48.36 | freebird_ | never seen that before |
| 22:48.46 | themill | freebird_: it's "less" |
| 22:48.55 | freebird_ | I've tryed esc, enter, y, n |
| 22:48.58 | freebird_ | but q ?? lol |
| 22:49.23 | vipersniper | q for quit the message freebird_ |
| 22:49.47 | freebird_ | ohhhhhh |
| 22:49.54 | freebird_ | vipersniper, that makes more sence |
| 22:49.55 | freebird_ | lol |
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| 22:52.24 | berserkr | nsadmin: wols_ i mean the application "Places > Connect with server" in gnome |
| 22:52.39 | karlpinc | freebird_: What is your debconf front end? (From the output of: e, it halts |
| 22:52.46 | berserkr | with normal installation, i have many interfaces here |
| 22:52.57 | berserkr | with minimal installation i have no one |
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| 22:53.09 | karlpinc | freebird_: OOps. That's: debconf-show debconf |
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| 22:53.56 | berserkr | the interfaces I mean are FTP, SFTP, remote desktop, etc.. |
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| 22:54.25 | karlpinc | freebird_: (There's also "h" to get help while in less, fyi.) |
| 22:54.28 | freebird_ | karlpinc, sorry, not halts |
| 22:54.29 | freebird_ | hangs |
| 22:54.34 | freebird_ | sorry for my english |
| 22:54.41 | karlpinc | freebird_: No worries. |
| 22:55.10 | karlpinc | berserkr: What is the question? |
| 22:55.50 | karlpinc | freebird_: (Anyway, just curious about your debconf front-end.) |
| 22:56.24 | aidalgol | I am trying to pull packages from wheezy and getting this error when running aptitude update: |
| 22:56.25 | aidalgol | E: Release file expired, ignoring ftp://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release (invalid since 2h 31min 14s) |
| 22:56.34 | freebird_ | karlpinc, well, not sure |
| 22:56.37 | aidalgol | Is something wrong with the repository? |
| 22:56.45 | freebird_ | |I've ran that command, but nothing showed up |
| 22:56.58 | freebird_ | debconf-show debconf |
| 22:57.41 | berserkr | the application "Connect with server" (Places > Conect with server not work after minimal installation of gnome. I hace no servers available to connect. the select is empty. My question is what is/are the package I need to get that types of services??? |
| 22:57.50 | karlpinc | freebird_: You may have to run it as root? (Really, nothing at all?) |
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| 22:57.58 | freebird_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.02 | freebird_ | karlpinc, I did |
| 22:58.06 | freebird_ | that's what I got |
| 22:58.14 | berserkr | that's my question karlpinc |
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| 22:59.00 | karlpinc | freebird_: You are using the dialog front-end. (It uses a terminal interface that sort of mimics having a graphical interface.) |
| 22:59.15 | freebird_ | karlpinc, I see, which one do you suggest ? |
| 22:59.21 | nsadmin | berserkr, oh ok.... the interfaces you speak of are represented more rudamentarily as ports |
| 22:59.52 | karlpinc | freebird_: It's a matter of taste. I'm comforable with dialog myself. "man 7 debconf" or "man debconf" for more info/choices. |
| 23:00.00 | berserkr | yes nsadmin |
| 23:00.01 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:00.03 | karlpinc | freebird_: comfortable. |
| 23:00.07 | freebird_ | karlpinc, nice |
| 23:00.14 | freebird_ | tks |
| 23:00.30 | berserkr | nsadmin: and what I need to install to get them? |
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| 23:00.54 | berserkr | or what's the name of that application? |
| 23:01.57 | karlpinc | berserkr: I don't use gnome and don't know what you're really expecting. To install, say the ssh client you install openssh-client. For the server the package is openssh-server. See the <search> factoid below for how to look for things/packages. I'm fond of using debtags for searching. |
| 23:02.03 | karlpinc | !search |
| 23:02.18 | karlpinc | berserkr: Humm. The bot seems dead. |
| 23:02.28 | berserkr | xD |
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| 23:02.42 | jelly-home | %ping |
| 23:02.42 | dselect | Sorry jelly-home, you're not online. |
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| 23:02.48 | berserkr | what do you use? |
| 23:02.56 | karlpinc | berserkr: You could "aptitude search ssh" or, after installing debtags "aptitude search ~Gssh" |
| 23:03.20 | jelly-home | "no such user Gssh" |
| 23:03.23 | jelly-home | hides |
| 23:04.20 | karlpinc | berserkr: jelly-home is pointing out that the absolutely proper way to write this is "aptitude search '~Gssh'" because if there's a user with a login of "Gssh" then the ~ will tell the shell to reference that user. (Har!) |
| 23:04.46 | karlpinc | berserkr: We are mighty entertaining, eh! |
| 23:05.26 | jelly-home | I didn't expect bash not choking on it |
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| 23:05.49 | karlpinc | jelly-home: No user, no expansion. |
| 23:05.53 | jelly-home | because my shell does: zsh: no such user or named directory: Gssh |
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| 23:06.42 | guvnor | there is some gnome specific ssh implementation? |
| 23:06.50 | guvnor | That sickens and disgusts me |
| 23:07.45 | karlpinc | jelly-home: zsh pisses me off. It probably shouldn't. It just seems such a shame to try to make shell nice. Standard is better than standard, and if you don't like it use something sane. That may be what my problem is with zsh.... |
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| 23:08.54 | karlpinc | guvnor: There's a GNU specific copyleft implimentation, but the protocol is standard so no worries. It's no worse, an probably better, than having a bunch of lame proprietary implimentations. |
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| 23:09.26 | guvnor | what's wrong with open-ssh? |
| 23:09.36 | karlpinc | guvnor: As to gnome, I can't say. Gnome seems like too much voodoo, so I've left it behind in so far as that's possible. |
| 23:09.52 | thewanderer1 | I'm creating a plot (chart) in OpenOffice.org Calc on Squeeze, but I can't see the data plotted. the Y scale always stays fixed to 12, even though my data values are well above 1500, and there are no points marked. anyone else seeing that? |
| 23:10.16 | guvnor | I haven't used a linux GUI since the early noughties |
| 23:10.23 | guvnor | but I was partial to fluxbox |
| 23:10.27 | karlpinc | guvnor: Nothing, but if you're a strict copyleft guy you don't like the bsd license. If you're a strict bsd guy, you don't like copyleft and re-impliment gpl stuff under the bsd license. That's just how it goes, and to each their own. |
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| 23:11.05 | guvnor | indeed |
| 23:11.24 | guvnor | I long for the time when I had the luxury of caring |
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| 23:12.30 | karlpinc | guvnor: I'm not happy with anything. I'm using e16 at the moment. (I need a laundry list of requirements I can spit at people. One of them is multiple workspaces that I can bump the screen edge with the mouse to get to -- and The One True Focus, focus follows mouse, slopply when over only the background.) |
| 23:12.59 | th0r | karlpinc: those things are available in xfce |
| 23:13.06 | guvnor | get developing |
| 23:13.07 | karlpinc | guvnor: Yeah. I long for having the time for luxurious caring. |
| 23:13.21 | guvnor | or make th0r do it |
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| 23:14.06 | th0r | guvnor: nah...gave up coding years ago...getting too old and like you said...I no longer have the luxury of caring |
| 23:14.14 | thewanderer1 | so I'm unable to make any plot for any data |
| 23:14.37 | guvnor | hmm, what about partying? You still do that? |
| 23:14.55 | th0r | guvnor: I live on a boat....it's 5 o'clock somewhere |
| 23:15.12 | berserkr | karlpinc: i'm not meaning that |
| 23:15.15 | guvnor | heh |
| 23:15.20 | BenNZ | hi when trying to update i get an error message , pasted here http://pastebin.com/F2mv9FTY , i have tried other mirrors but get error 404 file not found , any ideas on whats wrong |
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| 23:15.34 | guvnor | sadly it's 7:15 am here |
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| 23:15.59 | guvnor | which is never 5 o'clock anywhere |
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| 23:16.29 | vlt | guvnor: Why not? |
| 23:16.49 | th0r | guvnor: well, mental and physical presence are mutually exclusive nowadays....so I can always be somewhere it is party time |
| 23:17.15 | streuner | vlt: timezones changes within hours? |
| 23:17.40 | guvnor | vlt, because it's impossible to think about partying this early on a Monday, before work |
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| 23:17.58 | th0r | guvnor: work? |
| 23:18.02 | guvnor | although I may chuck a sickie |
| 23:18.19 | guvnor | th0r, you've heard of it? |
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| 23:18.33 | th0r | guvnor: not in years...didn't think it still existed |
| 23:19.32 | guvnor | keeps the testosterone flowing |
| 23:19.57 | vlt | streuner: Is this actually a question? |
| 23:20.12 | vlt | streuner: Then, no. |
| 23:21.00 | thewanderer1 | ok, so OpenOffice can't plot with dates :/ |
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| 23:23.40 | zelo | where are global kde config files? i mean when you create new user and login with kde it creates them but where it takes them from? |
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| 23:24.00 | thewanderer1 | I have a CSV file with dates and various stats, what is the easiest tool that allows choosing a time range (time is saved in "MM-DD hh:mm:ss" format) and plotting the column I pick? |
| 23:24.28 | thewanderer1 | zelo: check /usr/share/apps I think |
| 23:25.01 | zelo | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 23:25.33 | sphenxes | is it possible to format/write/read a harddrive in either UFS or ZFS under linux/squeeze |
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| 23:26.27 | thewanderer1 | sphenxes: yes, zfs-fuse supports ZFS. it's very slow (about 10x slower than ext3), but suitable for light workloads. |
| 23:26.47 | sphenxes | thewanderer1, thanks |
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| 23:29.41 | nyov | just tried upgrading to vbox 4, dkms builds the module but it fails with "modprobe vboxdrv failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out why..." |
| 23:29.52 | nyov | do I need to restart for this piece? |
| 23:30.00 | simonlnu | so, did you? |
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| 23:30.15 | nyov | simonlnu: I did, there is nothing there though |
| 23:30.18 | simonlnu | look at dmesg |
| 23:30.47 | nyov | simonlnu: only older message is "warning: `VirtualBox' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)" |
| 23:31.40 | zafer | hi all |
| 23:31.46 | zafer | 'unhandled pmc intr status bit ' |
| 23:31.47 | nyov | modprobe vboxdrv: FATAL: Could not read '/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/misc/vboxdrv.ko': No such file or directory |
| 23:31.52 | zafer | what is this |
| 23:32.01 | BenNZ | i am getting an error msg E: Release file expired, i have tried changing mirrors to no avail , any ideas on how to fix this problem? |
| 23:32.57 | nyov | locate vboxdrv.ko has it in /usr/src/modules/virtualbox-ose/vboxdrv.ko, though.... |
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| 23:33.30 | winter | hai |
| 23:35.16 | nyov | ... but that is an really old one, as strings told me |
| 23:36.01 | simonlnu | nyov: did it get installed? did it run depmod? if it built successfully, it would have done these things *hint*. |
| 23:36.32 | nyov | simonlnu: yes. i'll pastebin a reinstall virtualbox-dkms? |
| 23:37.12 | simonlnu | nah, just figure out why it didn't do that. |
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| 23:37.31 | simonlnu | (file bug) |
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| 23:38.43 | nyov | right. depmod && modprobe vboxdrv worked |
| 23:38.51 | nyov | I'll check |
| 23:39.44 | winter | any of you guys using dnsmasq on lenny? |
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| 23:40.26 | nyov | winter: no, but on squeeze :) |
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| 23:40.43 | simonlnu | nyov: ok |
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| 23:41.11 | nyov | simonlnu: the dkms build worked ok, wonder why depmod would fail |
| 23:41.18 | winter | nyov: did you notice any dns problems? like my dns of dnsmasq stopps responding once for several weeks and i must restart it |
| 23:41.40 | simonlnu | wtf knows. maybe put in some debugging thingies to find out |
| 23:42.04 | simonlnu | ndn needs food badly |
| 23:42.29 | nyov | winter: yeah I had dnsmasq fail a few times, once in several weeks sounds about right. too lazy to debug though |
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| 23:42.55 | winter | hm |
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| 23:43.17 | winter | int annoying |
| 23:43.20 | winter | it's* |
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| 23:44.30 | nyov | winter: don't use it ;) at least I stopped relying on it for important machines |
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| 23:44.47 | nyov | or debug it and file a bugreport |
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| 23:44.55 | winter | nyov: i'm not suprised :-P |
| 23:45.07 | nyov | I'd be glad if you have time for the latter :) |
| 23:45.09 | winter | i don't know if i'm able to debug it |
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| 23:46.17 | nyov | yeah, and it's not like it segfaults or anything. just doesn't work anymore, so might be tricky to figure out |
| 23:46.38 | winter | yeah, indeed, it's like that |
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| 23:46.41 | ejsejs | Hello, I just installed Debian, but I couldn't get an internet connection, so it just installed the are essentials |
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| 23:46.58 | nyov | winter: you can file a bugreport anyway, i'll put my +1 in there at least |
| 23:47.03 | ejsejs | So I was wondering how do I get access to a wireless network via the command line |
| 23:47.09 | winter | nyov: not this night |
| 23:47.19 | winter | nyov: i'll think about it when i'll get up |
| 23:47.30 | nyov | winter: ok |
| 23:47.40 | winter | nyov: but i supose that lenny has a outdated version of dnsmasq anyway |
| 23:47.47 | winter | an* |
| 23:47.54 | nyov | winter: true, test on squeeze first |
| 23:48.21 | nyov | fwiw it didn't happen on lenny for me, only after squeeze update |
| 23:48.57 | winter | i have this problem since a half of the year... and i installed lenny on this server like 2 years ago |
| 23:49.08 | winter | noidealol. |
| 23:49.58 | nyov | winter: might be a good time for an upgrade, to keep getting security fixes |
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| 23:51.06 | nyov | ejsejs: you need firmware maybe? |
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| 23:51.56 | ejsejs | nyov: not exactly sure what that means |
| 23:52.12 | nyov | (why is everyone relying on wireless these days?) |
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| 23:52.39 | lechienkitu | Hello. Do you know how I can change my language on Debian ? Now it is french but I want it on english. |
| 23:52.43 | nyov | ejsejs: can you not use a cable? |
| 23:52.44 | ejsejs | So I can move my laptop around... |
| 23:53.08 | nyov | lechienkitu: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:53.11 | ejsejs | nyov: alright, how do you connect to a network with a cablethen? |
| 23:53.29 | ejsejs | Can I just plug it in, and it will work? |
| 23:53.53 | nyov | ejsejs: it should do that automatically. maybe if you're on essentials, you need to add something in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:54.09 | nyov | ejsejs: do you know if you have a dhcp server? |
| 23:54.28 | ejsejs | nyov: I'm behind a normal wireless router |
| 23:55.05 | nyov | ejsejs: ok plug the cable in and run dhclient |
| 23:55.27 | lechienkitu | nyov: thanks you ! |
| 23:55.47 | ejsejs | nyov: can't do that right now, but I' copy and paste the chat on my harddrive so I can acces it when I boot into debian |
| 23:55.51 | lechienkitu | ( I want learn english, so i take resolution for it ^^ ) |
| 23:55.55 | nyov | lechienkitu: did it work? |
| 23:56.15 | lechienkitu | nyov: not now, can i reboot or other ? |
| 23:56.25 | ejsejs | 9:47 < ejsejs> So I was wondering how do I get access to a wireless network via the command line |
| 23:56.28 | ejsejs | 19:47 < winter> nyov: not this night |
| 23:56.54 | lechienkitu | dpkg it's okay, but language is ever french. |
| 23:57.09 | nyov | lechienkitu: wait a second |
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| 23:57.17 | lechienkitu | nyov: okay |
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| 23:57.24 | ejsejs | did I just spam this channel? I'm really really sorry |
| 23:58.10 | nyov | lechienkitu: run 'locale' and see if you're still using the french ones |
| 23:58.21 | nyov | ejsejs: happens, it's ok |
| 23:58.43 | lechienkitu | yes, I'm using it. |
| 23:58.47 | nyov | ejsejs: if dhclient can't find a dhcp server, you have to manually set it up |
| 23:59.11 | nyov | ejsejs: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:59.12 | lechienkitu | there isn't "en_US.UTF-8" just fr_FR.UTF-8 |