| 00:00.22 | lapsusbrutus | themill: yeah, perl is awesome, but this was simpler and easy to remeber :) |
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| 00:01.07 | tharkun | !bot |
| 00:01.29 | tharkun | ,bot |
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| 00:01.47 | tharkun | .bot |
| 00:01.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | %greet tharkun |
| 00:01.58 | dselect | Gr33tz, tharkun |
| 00:02.19 | tharkun | Kamping_Kaiser: thx, For a second i though about a bot strike :) |
| 00:02.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 00:02.45 | themill | tharkun: yeah, there's lots of bot-sulking going on |
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| 00:04.42 | tippenein | i guess i should be asking what i should have for address, netmask, network, broadcast, etc then |
| 00:05.19 | webad13 | I've set up a link to a pdf file on apache2 - after maxing out my connection (very slow upload ADSL), I couldn't access the web server. Not even after restarting it - I am using opera, could it be a browser issue? |
| 00:05.32 | tharkun | themill: revamping db or just plain bad luck |
| 00:05.45 | thewanderer1 | tippenein: you should probably know the values beforehand... try using dhcp instead of static if you don't know the values, provided your network uses DHCP |
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| 00:08.16 | tippenein | dhcpd is an unrecognized service |
| 00:08.42 | tippenein | is there a way to set dhcp in the interfaces file? |
| 00:08.54 | cusco | yes |
| 00:09.18 | cusco | iface <device> inet auto |
| 00:09.31 | thewanderer1 | inet dhcp, even |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | allow-hotplug <device> |
| 00:09.38 | daemonkeeper | iface ethX inet dhcp |
| 00:09.45 | tippenein | lol, which one? |
| 00:09.48 | daemonkeeper | Mine |
| 00:10.06 | daemonkeeper | Or cusco's + thewanderer1's corrections |
| 00:10.33 | daemonkeeper | You need abrotman's line additionally if you want to start it automatically. |
| 00:11.05 | thewanderer1 | hm, he already has auto |
| 00:11.16 | cusco | yes sorry |
| 00:11.18 | cusco | lol |
| 00:11.25 | cusco | mine was wrong |
| 00:11.28 | cusco | man interfaces |
| 00:11.45 | cusco | some examples there |
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| 00:12.28 | sanmarcos | in squeeze is there a tool to see which services are enabled/disabled ? |
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| 00:12.52 | abrotman | ls |
| 00:13.23 | tippenein | instead of 'iface eth0 inet static' i've changed it to 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' |
| 00:13.23 | sanmarcos | i am looking for a curses interface of sorts that you can toggle which services start at boot or not |
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| 00:13.38 | daemonkeeper | Are we Suse yet? |
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| 00:14.00 | Sary | is this normal! http://snipt.org/xkppj |
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| 00:14.20 | daemonkeeper | Sary: For some values of "normal", yes. |
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| 00:14.56 | daemonkeeper | You may not want to use nvidia-xconfig to write you a xorg.conf file anymore. |
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| 00:15.26 | Sary | daemonkeeper: Alright , just had to make sure. |
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| 00:16.46 | tippenein | still not working |
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| 00:16.53 | thewanderer1 | sanmarcos: try sysv-rc-conf |
| 00:16.55 | daemonkeeper | Define "not working" |
| 00:17.06 | tippenein | no internet connection |
| 00:17.21 | tippenein | pinging outside does not work |
| 00:17.24 | daemonkeeper | tippenein: Were you doing "ifup eth0"? |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | tippenein: does pinging inside work ? |
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| 00:18.23 | tippenein | abrotman: ping 192.168.1.0 - network is unreachable |
| 00:18.35 | abrotman | tippenein: that is the router? i doubt it |
| 00:18.37 | tippenein | daemonkeeper: yes, it said it was configured |
| 00:19.01 | tippenein | how bout 192.168.1.1, that was tried too |
| 00:19.13 | abrotman | tippenein: wifi or wired? |
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| 00:19.46 | tippenein | wired |
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| 00:19.53 | abrotman | tippenein: dmesg | grep eth .. see anything useful ? |
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| 00:20.27 | tippenein | eth0: link is not ready |
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| 00:20.38 | abrotman | that doesn't sonud happy |
| 00:20.47 | abrotman | double check your cable? |
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| 00:21.43 | tippenein | i think the cable is fine, i was using it the other day |
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| 00:25.35 | tippenein | thanks all! I got it up now |
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| 00:25.48 | tippenein | i gave it a invoke-rc.d networking start / stop |
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| 01:23.44 | Tectu | Viper-7: pkay, thank you for the information. So usually you create a normal spin project, and implement your assembler code in there? |
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| 01:26.48 | Skeeter- | Do I need to create a lvm on top of /dev/md0 in order to install grub on it? |
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| 01:28.06 | Tectu | Skeeter-: no |
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| 01:30.12 | Skeeter- | Tectu, how come is it not wokring then |
| 01:30.33 | Skeeter- | i made a raid1 /dev/md0, i do grub-install /dev/md0 and it always fails |
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| 01:30.53 | Skeeter- | is it ok if my /boot is on a lvm? |
| 01:31.47 | pzn | I have some special hardwares connected to my debian machine via a dedicated ethernet card. which command can I use to block outgoing ethernet broadcast packets? iptables doesnot operate on layer2... |
| 01:32.30 | Tectu | Skeeter-: i am not sure, but afaik you cannot but /boot on a lvm |
| 01:32.33 | Tectu | but not sure, sorry |
| 01:33.23 | Skeeter- | so u telling that /boot cant be on a lvm? |
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| 01:35.24 | Skeeter- | Tectu, here is the deal, i tell you what i want, you tell me how to your best knowledge |
| 01:35.42 | Skeeter- | i want my root to be RAID6, my /boot to be raid1 |
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| 01:36.57 | Tectu | so, where is the problem, Skeeter-? Just don't use LVM on the raid1 :D |
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| 01:37.10 | Skeeter- | the raid1 doesnt have lvm |
| 01:37.13 | Tectu | but maybe you can eighter use it there, as i said, ask someone who is sure |
| 01:37.17 | Skeeter- | its a straight /dev/md0 |
| 01:37.18 | stew | Skeeter-: you don't want to install grub to a raid device, install it to real devices |
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| 01:37.34 | Tectu | Skeeter-: you cannot install grub on it |
| 01:37.37 | Tectu | damn, stew was faster -.- |
| 01:37.43 | Skeeter- | stew, i tried to grub-install /dev/sda, and it doesnt work |
| 01:37.52 | stew | Skeeter-: do you get an error? |
| 01:37.54 | tharkun | stew: are you talking about hw or sw raid? |
| 01:37.59 | Skeeter- | mdadm |
| 01:38.01 | Skeeter- | sw |
| 01:38.39 | tharkun | Skeeter-: thx. You both scared the crap out of me. Just installed grub on hw raid yesterday |
| 01:38.43 | stew | for software raid to be working you have to already have a running kernel and the userspace tools to assemble the raid, obviously this won't work if you are requiring this to happen before you load grub which loads your kernel |
| 01:39.05 | stew | tharkun: i was assuming sw raid, since he is talking about md0 |
| 01:39.24 | Skeeter- | let me post you some output, im not a linux pro |
| 01:39.26 | stew | tharkun: hardware raid is no problem, since it just looks like a regular scsi disk to everyone but the raid controller |
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| 01:41.07 | Skeeter- | http://pastie.org/2165286 |
| 01:41.18 | Skeeter- | cat /proc/mdstat and fdisk -l |
| 01:41.36 | Skeeter- | damn gpt |
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| 01:42.26 | Skeeter- | http://pastie.org/2165292 with parted -l |
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| 01:44.06 | Skeeter- | so? |
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| 01:48.31 | buhman | I installed git-daemon-run, but /etc/init.d/git-daemon doesn't seem to exist |
| 01:48.54 | buhman | /etc/service/git-daemon-run does... |
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| 01:49.09 | buhman | sorry /etc/service/git-daemon/run |
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| 01:53.28 | ader10 | I'm having trouble setting my bash prompt to look like this: http://pastebin.com/wY8nnVSM Help, please. |
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| 02:03.28 | calisto | hi to all, I have problems with instalation of openfire in debian, the instalation run fine but dont starts openfire, no error , no log, simpli not run |
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| 02:05.52 | buhman | ader10: that would be pretty cool |
| 02:06.20 | ader10 | Wouldn't it be? I can get that on Arch but not Debian :( |
| 02:07.50 | buhman | ader10: why not just copy the arch .bashrc? |
| 02:08.30 | cesurasean1 | Can someone tell me why im getting this in my error logs? - Jul 4 19:08:03 ata-webserver named[12177]: client 216.52.242.145#50567: query (cache) 'ns2.chappyis.com/AAAA/IN' denied |
| 02:09.55 | ader10 | buhman: The unicode does not get displayed |
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| 02:12.47 | ader10 | buhman: and when it does get displayed, long lines don't wrap correctly |
| 02:13.16 | boudiccas | calisto; what is 'openfire'? |
| 02:15.15 | calisto | boudiccas, http://www.igniterealtime.org/ its a xmpp (jaber) irc chat , server, client and others |
| 02:15.49 | boudiccas | calisto; ah right, thanks |
| 02:15.58 | abrotman | i had good luck with prosody |
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| 02:20.15 | tuv | doesn't anyone use iwlagn on debian? 2.6.32: ~5MB/s. any later kernel: ~1MB/s |
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| 02:24.33 | abrotman | i use it with .32 |
| 02:24.49 | boudiccas | .32 calibre? |
| 02:25.18 | lechienkitu | x) |
| 02:25.24 | lechienkitu | you're crual. |
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| 02:25.49 | boudiccas | no, i'm not cruel, just realistic |
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| 02:26.14 | lechienkitu | oh, that cruel and not crual... |
| 02:26.28 | lechienkitu | notes this on his english manual books |
| 02:26.38 | boudiccas | no such word as 'crual'! |
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| 02:28.41 | ader10 | `man english` |
| 02:28.55 | ader10 | is not funny |
| 02:29.13 | lechienkitu | x) |
| 02:29.32 | lechienkitu | I like your joke .. :^ |
| 02:29.40 | ader10 | :D |
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| 02:30.57 | lechienkitu | I'm french.. but I learn english. Because if there isn't english in my fucking head, I can't good learn programation. IMHO. |
| 02:31.03 | lechienkitu | And I like this language :) |
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| 02:32.52 | ader10 | :D |
| 02:33.28 | lechienkitu | friends says" |
| 02:33.44 | lechienkitu | "just read english for learn it" so, i do it x) |
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| 02:38.55 | thewanderer1 | any idea why this udev rule never runs the program? ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="03f0", SYSFS{idProduct}=="6c11", RUN+="/usr/bin/virsh -c qemu:///system attach-device Sun2 /srv/printer.xml" |
| 02:39.30 | lechienkitu | that for a 3g usb disk no ? |
| 02:41.12 | thewanderer1 | for a printer |
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| 02:49.41 | thewanderer1 | how to force udev to execute the command when the device appears? |
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| 02:54.06 | ader10 | so, I've determined that the problem with line wrapping is that unicode is in the bash prompt. When I take the uincode out, it works just fine, but is uglier. What do I need to change for a unicode bash prompt to wrap? |
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| 02:57.44 | rgr | where does network-manager store its files? In stable it just crashes if (a) you try to enable the vpn settings for ALL users or even try to export the profile to a text file. |
| 02:57.51 | rgr | files==config files |
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| 03:09.19 | tuv | abrotman: stay there. iwlagn on .38 and .39 is dog slow and breaks all the time to the point where the only fix is a reboot (.11n) |
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| 03:09.52 | abrotman | okay! |
| 03:10.06 | tuv | i installed .32 again, but had firmware issues. i guess it uses an older firmware |
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| 03:16.47 | thewanderer1 | ok, I've managed to run a program when I plug in the printer, but it gets run about 50 times, not 1 |
| 03:17.06 | thewanderer1 | also, actions "add" and "delete" are executed alternately in a chaotic manner |
| 03:18.49 | thewanderer1 | is there a way to avoid lots of duplicate messages? |
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| 03:25.42 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; yes, terminate the computer and switch off at the mains. that should solve your problem :) |
| 03:26.51 | thewanderer1 | tried that with the printer a few seconds ago. guess what I got? lots of udev events in usb subsystem :P |
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| 03:31.02 | Craigwd_2000 | I'm going to bed: it's 11:30 PM here on the East Coast... |
| 03:31.29 | lechienkitu | 5:31 AM here on the french coast :p |
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| 03:31.54 | boudiccas | 0431 here in the UK |
| 03:32.29 | lechienkitu | Craigwd_2000: do you know One Piece ? |
| 03:33.08 | Craigwd_2000 | Lechienkitu: Yes: I do know of it: great anime.... :) |
| 03:33.10 | boudiccas | lechienkitu; is he like 'TwoSheds'? |
| 03:33.34 | ader10 | I don't konw him, but I do know Cowboy Bebop At His Computer |
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| 03:34.00 | lechienkitu | Craigwd_2000: becaue when you've said "East Coast" i thinked of "East Blue" in one piece :p |
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| 03:34.40 | Craigwd_2000 | Lecienkitu: Oh: yeah: right... |
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| 03:35.00 | Craigwd_2000 | Lechienkitu:* |
| 03:35.16 | lechienkitu | ^^ |
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| 03:57.59 | linux-fox | hi ,all |
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| 04:18.18 | fredden | so, how might I contact the FTP maintainer for the NZ mirror? E: Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 1d 7h 55min 55s) |
| 04:19.27 | karlpinc | What is with this debian security advisory? http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2268 It was released on the first, yet iceweasel 3.5.16-9 is not yet in security.debian.org as far as I can see. |
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| 04:20.06 | karlpinc | fredden: http or ftp directly to the mirror and look for contact info. Usually they'll be a README. |
| 04:20.53 | karlpinc | fredden: Make sure you get the right mirror and not just some IP that resolves to that name. |
| 04:22.01 | fredden | karlpinc, thanks. haven't found anything yet. will take another look tomorrow if not fixed. Have just noticed that name is a cname, which suggests the supporting company's name |
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| 04:24.44 | karlpinc | fredden: Usually ftp is the way to go, assuming there's ftp access, because there's little to get in the way of a simple content listing. |
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| 04:28.34 | karlpinc | Humm. Perhaps this explains the security problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2011/07/msg00003.html |
| 04:28.46 | sauvin | Debian Squeeze, KDE. Why is X using 25% CPU? |
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| 04:31.27 | karlpinc | sauvin: Hard to say. Perhaps you've a lot of bling turned on? Could be you're not using a driver that's optimal for your card. Stuff like that. Post the pciid of the video card (get via "lspci -nn"). It looks like [xxxx:yyyy]. And we can ask the judd bot what driver is recommended. |
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| 04:32.07 | karlpinc | sauvin: (to ask judd you type: judd pciid [xxxx:yyyy]) |
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| 04:33.19 | karlpinc | sauvin: Also could be you've a leftover xorg.conf file and X would do better determining settings itself. |
| 04:33.37 | sauvin | judd pcid [10de:0531] |
| 04:33.46 | sauvin | judd pciid [10de:0531] |
| 04:33.47 | judd | [10de:0531] is 'C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0531 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 04:33.54 | karlpinc | sauvin: Give the bot a moment. |
| 04:34.02 | sauvin | My first request was a typo. |
| 04:34.13 | karlpinc | sauvin: oops. |
| 04:34.14 | sauvin | I tried nouveau. It reeked. |
| 04:34.45 | sauvin | Right now using nvidia. |
| 04:35.07 | sauvin | (getting fps info right now from glxgears) |
| 04:35.23 | sauvin | Looks like about 1100 or so |
| 04:35.38 | sauvin | Erm, sorry, more like 1600. |
| 04:35.48 | karlpinc | sauvin: Then you're stuck with the proprietary stuff. At this point you've exhausted what I know. You could ask here again later (or ask the mailing list). |
| 04:35.54 | karlpinc | sauvin: Is that good or bad? |
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| 04:36.32 | sauvin | I've no idea. What I CAN tell you is that the system is often sluggish or unresponsive just switching from the browser to xchat and back. |
| 04:36.43 | sauvin | I can SEE the windows paint themselves element by element. |
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| 04:37.35 | ZykoticK9 | sauvin, karlpinc i get 630FPS with my non-accelerated nouveau |
| 04:37.58 | sauvin | Yea, you don't want to know what this lappie is like unaccelerated. |
| 04:38.15 | karlpinc | sauvin: I'm seeing the same problem since I upgraded to squeeze, but I attribute it to my thin client setup and X server box dating back to 2000. |
| 04:38.29 | sauvin | Mine is a clean install. |
| 04:38.46 | sauvin | I'd been using Lenny and that little monster was a bullet even when I loaded it down. |
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| 04:39.33 | karlpinc | sauvin: Maybe it has something to do with some sort of kernel tuning, like swappiness? (This does not sound likely.) I need to instrument my boxes to watch what's really happening. |
| 04:40.18 | sauvin | I'm thinking I need to think about changing distros, and I don't want to. Been using debian since just after etch released. |
| 04:40.50 | karlpinc | I'm pretty much sure it's not swap because I can hear the drive when it kicks in. |
| 04:41.32 | karlpinc | sauvin: Have you looked at the bug tracking system? That's always a good idea. |
| 04:41.33 | sauvin | Yea, yea, boast, brag. I'm deaf. If there's no blinky lights to see, I have no clue what's up. |
| 04:41.41 | sauvin | What would I look for? |
| 04:41.58 | karlpinc | sauvin: Dunno. |
| 04:42.15 | karlpinc | sauvin: The kernel package? Xorg? The driver package? |
| 04:42.45 | karlpinc | sauvin: You could try again during US business hours-ish. There seem to be more experts here then. |
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| 04:43.04 | sauvin | Unfortunately, that's when I work. |
| 04:43.29 | karlpinc | sauvin: When you get off work then. |
| 04:43.52 | sauvin | Midnight. |
| 04:44.05 | karlpinc | sauvin: There's also the debian users mailing list. That might be better, but latency is more of an issue. |
| 04:44.37 | sauvin | Yup. |
| 04:44.45 | sauvin | 25% just *sitting* here doing IRC. |
| 04:44.54 | karlpinc | sauvin: Google? |
| 04:45.08 | karlpinc | sauvin: You know it's X, right? |
| 04:45.12 | sauvin | Oh. Heh. Guess what? |
| 04:45.25 | sauvin | Firefox is apparently a pig even WITHOUT anything flash running. |
| 04:45.56 | sauvin | I pointed the wrong finger. It ain't squeeze. It's firefox. |
| 04:46.23 | karlpinc | sauvin: I wonder if the latest would fix things. They say they are finally working on performance. |
| 04:47.06 | karlpinc | sauvin: I'll have to check to see if that's my problem too. |
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| 04:50.03 | sauvin | One of the reasons I tend to stick with 100% debian is not having to futz with configs and suchlike; I don't even like backporting. |
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| 04:50.53 | sauvin | Well, that, and KDE4 is noticeably more sluggish than KDE3. |
| 04:54.38 | johntramp | hi, i am wanting to read from /dev/ttyUSB0 and output lines starting with specific words to separate files. what would be the best tool for this? sed? awk? grep? |
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| 04:56.54 | karlpinc | johntramp: I prefer awk. Beyond that, use anything. Python, perl (ick), etc. |
| 04:57.08 | sauvin | I'd use what I know, and what I know is perl. Do you? Do you know awk better? Grep could do it, but probably only from within a bash shell, and badly. Sed, no. |
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| 04:58.30 | karlpinc | sauvin: Trouble with perl is that it's a write-only language. ("More ways to do things" is the wrong motto. It should be "Ways to do more things". Multiple syntax for the same thing is crazy.) |
| 04:58.45 | johntramp | well, i probably wouldn't be here if i knew any of them |
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| 04:59.13 | sauvin | karlpinc, it's not a write-only language in the right hands. |
| 04:59.43 | sauvin | It's true there's more than one way to do it in perl, but from that it often follows that few things are impossible. |
| 04:59.53 | karlpinc | sauvin: True, but even the professional perl coders I know have trouble. |
| 05:00.31 | sauvin | notes wryly that "professional" usually just means "does it for money" and isn't a reliable indicator of experience or competence |
| 05:00.41 | karlpinc | sauvin: Nah. They're smart. |
| 05:00.50 | sauvin | I said nothing about "smart". |
| 05:01.54 | karlpinc | sauvin: Anyhow, few things are impossible in any decent langauge -- by definition. ;-) But there's plenty of decent languages out there. |
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| 05:02.31 | sauvin | Erm, I'll disagree. Tons of crap I can do in perl or C that you couldn't even begin to approach in BASIC. |
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| 05:03.04 | sauvin | As for plenty of decent languages out there, yes. I just get all "I beg your pardon!" when people who don't know what they're talking about go ripping into perl. |
| 05:03.16 | karlpinc | sauvin: Basic is crap. But there's python, objective C, scheme, ml, haskell, forth, and so on. All of them are decent. |
| 05:03.23 | karlpinc | sauvin: Sure. |
| 05:03.38 | karlpinc | sauvin: Don't even get me started on php. |
| 05:03.39 | sauvin | "decent"? I wish I had time to go ripping into something like Haskell. |
| 05:03.51 | sauvin | karlpinc, don't even THINK about getting me started on php. |
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| 05:04.51 | sauvin | forth is on one end of the "decent" scale you've just described, something like Haskell is on the other. |
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| 05:05.09 | karlpinc | sauvin: Where does that put C? |
| 05:05.35 | sauvin | I can't say for sure. It's the bedrock linux is built on. |
| 05:05.44 | peterrooney | lays fresh strawberries at the door of the temple of AWK |
| 05:06.10 | karlpinc | sauvin: C rocks because it's an awesome assembly language. But we're offtopic. |
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| 05:07.40 | sauvin | Then come fight with me about it in ##linux, where *I* am presently the one who decides what's topic and what isn't. :D |
| 05:08.27 | karlpinc | sauvin: I failed to reboot my backend when I rebooted the X server and now must start over. It sucks. |
| 05:08.29 | peterrooney | johntramp: I'd use perl for your project; its file handle semantics are more straightforward than awk's |
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| 05:13.36 | sauvin | Squeeze, it seems, also seems to want to hate my NIC from time to time, too. Lenny never did this. |
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| 05:16.05 | oscalation | question, is the debian approved licenses and the OSI one in the same ? |
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| 05:17.43 | peterrooney | savuin: I blame network-manager for that. |
| 05:18.46 | karlpinc | !social contract |
| 05:18.46 | dpkg | The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see http://www.debian.org/social_contract Summary: Debian is a 100% free software platform suitable for running all software. |
| 05:19.11 | karlpinc | oscalation: You're answer's in the social contract. |
| 05:19.25 | karlpinc | s/'re/r/ *sigh* |
| 05:19.56 | ader10 | I'm having trouble setting my bash prompt's PS1. http://pastebin.com/WABYLxi2 It probably has something to do with unicode or locale, but I can't find anything relevant on Google. Help, please. |
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| 05:20.53 | boudiccas | ader10; your bash prompts ....... what? |
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| 05:21.46 | ader10 | what, what? |
| 05:22.19 | peterrooney | ader10: #bash channel might have solutions. good solutions. |
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| 05:23.29 | ader10 | peterrooney: I went in there a couple days ago, and nothing could be found. It works in Arch Linux, which is apparently vanilla bash, so someone there said it must be patches causing the bug |
| 05:23.35 | ader10 | distribution patches, that is |
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| 05:25.04 | ader10 | Unicode is also no problem on Arch. I can type in other languages and paste symbols in and they show up fine, but I get these blocks and ~T~L ~@ stuff with debian and derivatives |
| 05:27.12 | ader10 | the same ~T ~L stuff shows up in zsh, so I doubt that bash is at fault |
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| 05:27.32 | wols | what is your locale? |
| 05:27.40 | ader10 | en_US.UTF8 UTF8 |
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| 05:28.05 | ader10 | correction: en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 05:29.29 | wols | ader10: is that what "locale" says? |
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| 05:29.47 | ader10 | That's the line in /etc/locale.gen, and I've run locale-gen after setting it. |
| 05:29.51 | ader10 | locale says C |
| 05:29.54 | wols | and what "funny" chars are in your bash prompt? |
| 05:30.09 | wols | run dpkg-reconfigure locales instead |
| 05:30.29 | wols | and then run locale to check what is actually used |
| 05:31.09 | ader10 | just ran dpkg-reconfigure locales, selecteed en_US.UTF-8, and the output of locale is still LANG=C |
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| 05:31.52 | wols | environments don't change just so |
| 05:32.41 | wols | tho, since my locale is not english, C might actually be right for you |
| 05:33.16 | ader10 | ok, now that locale shows en_US.UTF-8, I'll see if that changes anything |
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| 05:33.48 | oscalation | karlpinc, http://www.sophistsociety.com/forums/index.php?p=/discussion/2/good-faith-license-discussion.#Item_1 |
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| 05:36.02 | ader10 | wols: pasting in the text yields the same result as is in the pastebin, but now the text files show PS1="âââââââââ\u->\hâââ \w \nâââ\\$ " instead of ~@ and stuff |
| 05:36.30 | wols | maybe your font doesn't display unicode properly? again: what funny chars? |
| 05:36.40 | epsilon | is the text latin1 or utf8? |
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| 05:37.03 | ader10 | root@animals:~# file /home/code/bash.bashrc /home/code/bash.bashrc: UTF-8 Unicode English text |
| 05:37.46 | epsilon | and locale is utf8, too? |
| 05:37.56 | ader10 | wols: my font properly displays unicode. I use this prompt for another computer that I log in with the same font settings |
| 05:38.08 | ader10 | root@animals:~# locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 05:38.34 | epsilon | um, the file looks like some failed recode for me |
| 05:38.58 | ader10 | I'll try a binary copy then. One moment |
| 05:38.59 | epsilon | like latin1 was recoded in 2byte-unicode, then converted in utf8 |
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| 05:39.36 | epsilon | do you have any old backup where you can actually read with latin1 or utf8 environment? |
| 05:40.15 | ader10 | binary copy didn't change the display of the file or `file` output |
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| 05:40.52 | epsilon | I'd say the file is corrupt and lost |
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| 05:41.16 | epsilon | maybe you can try re-encode from 8byte-unicode to latin1 or utf8 |
| 05:41.19 | ader10 | epsilon: the file was copied from my Arch box which currently uses the same file |
| 05:41.24 | epsilon | eh, 2byte-unicode |
| 05:41.51 | epsilon | and the file is working as it should there? |
| 05:41.56 | ader10 | yes |
| 05:42.13 | epsilon | what's locale / file output on that box? |
| 05:42.21 | ader10 | ah, wait, you must be right |
| 05:42.30 | ader10 | it was working 15 minutes ago |
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| 05:42.39 | ader10 | one moment :P |
| 05:42.51 | sauvin | I hate comcast. |
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| 05:45.27 | ader10 | how peculiar |
| 05:45.43 | ader10 | I have one more computer running with the same file, I'll try to copy that |
| 05:46.36 | Raptors | Does anyone here who uses openshot know how to turn off the annoying white outline on the title? |
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| 05:48.38 | ader10 | oh, you know what, in attempt to figure out the problem, I set mintty to read as (Default) instead of UTF-8. It looks right after setting it back to UTF-8, so running dpkg-reconfigure locale must have done the trick |
| 05:48.59 | ader10 | Thanks for your patience, epsilon and wols |
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| 05:50.03 | ader10 | I just have to make sure that line wrapping works, now :) |
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| 05:52.30 | wols | what's a benchmark to test sequential disk read/write speeds? |
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| 05:54.57 | ader10 | It works great. Thanks, again, guys. |
| 05:55.55 | ader10 | wols: bonnie++ |
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| 05:56.52 | valdyn | wols: dd |
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| 06:01.49 | TimmyT | i want to search for a word in text files of a folder, how can i do that? |
| 06:02.16 | valdyn | TimmyT: grep -R word /path/to/folder |
| 06:02.18 | epsilon | grep foo * |
| 06:03.02 | TimmyT | valdyn: epsilon: dear friends, which one? :D |
| 06:03.14 | valdyn | TimmyT: make up your own mind |
| 06:03.25 | TimmyT | valdyn: :D ok |
| 06:03.30 | epsilon | grep is only one dir, rgrep or grep -R is recursive to subdir |
| 06:03.59 | TimmyT | epsilon: aha, thnx a lot |
| 06:04.23 | valdyn | and * catches all files except those starting with . while /path/to/folder will catch all files |
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| 06:07.59 | Fudge | hi guys, still do not know why this got installed linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 |
| 06:08.14 | Fudge | any kernel genious's please tell me why |
| 06:08.17 | wols | Fudge: installed when? on what hardware? |
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| 06:17.17 | nevyn | Fudge: it's probably the default install kernel being lowest common denominator. |
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| 06:22.27 | Fudge | wols installed on p4 32bit from i386 disk. but dont want the older compatibe arch kernel images to keep being installed. how can i make sure they stay removed? |
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| 06:26.03 | buhman | services restart sshd doesn't seems to actually do anything. how can I tell sshd to drop all sessions? |
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| 06:30.04 | Fudge | wols perhaps a speakup enabled netinstaller? are you or anyone aware of one of those? samuel thibault does stuff like that but cant find his isos |
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| 06:33.38 | wols | Fudge: uninstall _all_ kernels and install linux-image-2.6? if it doesn't exist, install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 06:34.12 | wols | and yes this is the installer kernel basically. usually used when no network access is present while installing |
| 06:34.36 | Fudge | if i remove it it wont reinstall as it doesnt have a previous version to upgrade to ? |
| 06:34.42 | wols | yes |
| 06:35.01 | Fudge | ok |
| 06:35.06 | wols | dpkg -l |grep linux-image|grep ^ii check what is installed right now |
| 06:35.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep linux-image|grep ^ii check what is installed right now |
| 06:35.21 | Fudge | yep thats cool |
| 06:35.29 | Fudge | are you aware of any speech enabled netinstallers? |
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| 06:37.14 | jokar | o/ all |
| 06:37.26 | wols | no I'm not. I'd suggest asking the Debian accessibility project http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-accessibility/ |
| 06:37.44 | Fudge | no irc channel? |
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| 06:38.05 | jokar | i have a wd external hdd and i se a password for it,but this password not work on debian what do i do? |
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| 06:38.18 | wols | dunno, sorry |
| 06:38.26 | wols | Fudge: they have a mailinglist tho |
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| 06:39.16 | Fudge | tks mate |
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| 06:50.25 | originalnick | Is there a way to fetch specific packages from the unstable repos? |
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| 06:51.10 | originalnick | Some certain packages under the stable repos are missing some features I've come to enjoy and I'd like to fetch newer versions without compiling them myself. |
| 06:51.10 | nevyn | not really |
| 06:51.27 | nevyn | so there's backports. |
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| 06:52.25 | nevyn | and there's testing and unstable but installing anything from testing/unstable is likely to drag back libc and udev etc and now you're running some mongrel of stable and unstable and sad times ensue |
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| 06:54.41 | Fudge | wols a reply suggested to jsut use debootstrap |
| 06:55.20 | ManateeLazyCat | Hi all, have any program/tool convert between .debian and .po file? Thanks. |
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| 06:55.41 | wols | originalnick: you can fetch packages from unstable. but then you will run unstable dependencies too and soon you will have a broken debian and you will reinstall |
| 06:55.51 | wols | !backports |
| 06:55.51 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 06:56.07 | wols | ManateeLazyCat: what is a .debian file? |
| 06:56.42 | ManateeLazyCat | wols: The file that contain package's description string. |
| 06:56.58 | originalnick | wols: thank you for that bit of information. |
| 06:57.05 | ManateeLazyCat | pasted "gnome-terminal.debian" at http://paste2.org/get/1503397 |
| 06:57.05 | ManateeLazyCat | wols: Like above. |
| 06:57.22 | ManateeLazyCat | pasted "gnome-terminal.p" at http://paste2.org/get/1503398 |
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| 06:57.48 | ManateeLazyCat | wols: I have project need convert between gnome-terminal.debian and gnome-temrinal.po like above. |
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| 06:59.26 | wols | ManateeLazyCat: you are a very confused marine mammal |
| 07:00.14 | ManateeLazyCat | wols: Hehe, do you know any tool can do those convert? |
| 07:00.22 | wols | with gnome-terminal.debian you actually mean a debian .deb package file, right. there is no "gnome-terminal.debian" anywhere |
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| 07:01.19 | ManateeLazyCat | wols: I have Translation Team need this program for batch convert. |
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| 07:01.57 | ManateeLazyCat | wols: Before i write this program, i want to know have any exist tool to avoid duplicate work. :) |
| 07:02.11 | wols | first you need to tell us what "gnome-terminal.debian" actually is. where did you get this file |
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| 07:02.53 | Fudge | whats po? |
| 07:03.39 | nevyn | gettext db |
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| 07:04.27 | wols | Fudge: usually used to internationalize a program and translate its UI to different languages |
| 07:04.36 | wols | .po files are the data files for it |
| 07:05.27 | Fudge | tks :D |
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| 07:08.20 | jokar | o/ all |
| 07:08.33 | jokar | i want install 32 bit software on 64 bit linux |
| 07:08.42 | jokar | i install ia32-lib |
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| 07:10.14 | jokar | but my 32bit software not work |
| 07:10.19 | queia | whats the best worm file system you think`? |
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| 07:10.22 | jokar | o/ all |
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| 07:12.12 | wols | !tell queia about best |
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| 07:14.13 | queia | wols: for email an datafiles |
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| 07:15.03 | wols | queia: that's pure gibberish. if you don't know what filesystem to use when you don't have a clue, you use ext3 |
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| 07:15.20 | queia | im not sure if you unterstand worm |
| 07:15.27 | wols | if you have WORM media, the filesystem is already a given |
| 07:15.27 | queia | i dont think so |
| 07:15.37 | wols | I do |
| 07:16.00 | wols | e.g if you use a DVD-R you use UDF |
| 07:16.02 | queia | no im looking for a worm filesystem, which includes this features |
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| 07:16.59 | queia | just like "format" a partition |
| 07:17.07 | queia | im not sure if there is anything out there |
| 07:17.14 | queia | therefore im asking |
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| 07:17.44 | wols | more gibberish. what "features"? |
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| 07:19.25 | queia | ok i´ll try to explain. im looking for a filesystem or something like that which i could use to format a partition and after that i could move files on that partition, but i could never change them again |
| 07:19.31 | sauvin | WORM means "write once, read many". It can only be written once. |
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| 07:19.41 | queia | for sure |
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| 07:20.08 | sauvin | The closest thing I can think of to what you're on about is a multisession DVD burn. |
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| 07:21.15 | queia | :-) |
| 07:21.21 | queia | thanks |
| 07:21.42 | queia | so there is nothing like filesystem which could do this either? |
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| 07:24.03 | sauvin | Some kind of squashfs, maybe. |
| 07:24.07 | wols | why is google such an underutilized ressource worm-filesystem.sourceforge.net |
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| 07:24.22 | sauvin | Just make an ISO of your stuff. |
| 07:25.25 | sauvin | wols, that fs' project hasn't been around very long. I'd treat it with suspicion. |
| 07:26.31 | wols | agreed, but he simply asked |
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| 07:29.03 | queia | ::wols fs like "mbfs" is a worm filesystem, because you could set some worm options and so you could get the same like "multisessions dvd".. i also used google but thanks for your dismissive answer |
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| 07:34.02 | ompaul | worm disks were around in the 60s |
| 07:34.23 | ompaul | real worms that is |
| 07:35.25 | wols | what happened? did they go extinct? too many storks ate them? |
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| 07:44.05 | stockholm | wols: it was angry birds... |
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| 07:47.10 | ompaul | they got write many |
| 07:47.36 | ompaul | and look where we are now I tell ya, they'd all be more cautious about what they gathered if it was worm ;-) |
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| 07:54.43 | Bushmills | techically, a cd-r is a worm |
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| 07:59.11 | Fudge | pokes wols |
| 07:59.26 | Fudge | linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686-bigmem-dbg* |
| 07:59.28 | wols | shrinks away |
| 07:59.30 | wols | I'm ticklish |
| 07:59.42 | shazbotmcnasty | hey guys, I'm using squeeze and when I hit the "a" key when in any browser it sends me back to my homepage |
| 07:59.51 | shazbotmcnasty | when it text fields and everything |
| 07:59.56 | shazbotmcnasty | it's terrible |
| 08:00.09 | shazbotmcnasty | Might anyone know why or a fix? |
| 08:00.16 | shazbotmcnasty | Or maybe a hunch? |
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| 08:00.37 | simonlnu | stuck control key |
| 08:00.42 | wols | shazbotmcnasty: try different browsers (opera, chrome, firefox), use another desktop environment. heck, ues links on the console to check |
| 08:00.52 | wols | does ctrl+a do "back"? |
| 08:01.19 | amero | does anyone know how to boot the netinstall cd image from usb? |
| 08:01.20 | Lechieux | Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa chrome |
| 08:01.21 | Lechieux | berk |
| 08:01.24 | simonlnu | does "select all" or beginning of line in some[D[D[D[D |
| 08:01.43 | Fudge | lol |
| 08:01.56 | wols | amero: the install guide does. it's a hybrid image too: you can just dd it to your usb stick |
| 08:02.05 | Bushmills | amero: hybrid image can boot from both |
| 08:02.09 | simonlnu | thought sunday was 2 days ago ... |
| 08:02.29 | wols | simonlnu: yesterday was a holiday in some parts... |
| 08:02.40 | Lechieux | amero, i use linuxLive USB http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ |
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| 08:03.54 | amero | hybrid image? you mean this http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd ? |
| 08:03.57 | shazbotmcnasty | wols: yes, ctrl+a does go back |
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| 08:04.30 | wols | then as simonlnu said |
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| 08:04.41 | shazbotmcnasty | oh wait |
| 08:04.42 | shazbotmcnasty | no it doesn't |
| 08:04.45 | bullfrog | anyone notice youtube not working with firefox 3.5 in squeezse |
| 08:04.47 | shazbotmcnasty | it just goes back to home |
| 08:04.56 | shazbotmcnasty | ...perhaps just because I'm hitting "a" |
| 08:05.36 | wols | !tell bullfrog about doesn't work |
| 08:05.36 | shazbotmcnasty | bullfrog: sure it's not a video driver/flash issue? |
| 08:06.13 | wols | bullfrog: and you can be assured, if that were the case, there were a big bug entry for it and it would have been fixed for months now |
| 08:06.16 | shazbotmcnasty | wols: so far I've just tested firefox and chromium |
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| 08:06.20 | shazbotmcnasty | well iceweasel |
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| 08:08.17 | bullfrog | <shazbotmcnasty> bullfrog: sure it's not a video driver/flash issue? |
| 08:08.21 | bullfrog | perhaps i should be more specific |
| 08:08.24 | bullfrog | it used to work, now it doesnt |
| 08:08.50 | bullfrog | any other flash site works fine |
| 08:08.53 | amero | wols: these are all hybrid images? http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 08:08.59 | bullfrog | its soley a youtubve problem |
| 08:09.17 | bullfrog | ive restarted iceweasel, enabled/disabled flash many times now |
| 08:09.53 | bullfrog | square peg not going into round hole |
| 08:10.44 | wols | bullfrog: you're still at the "doesn't work" level, which is not very helpful... |
| 08:10.50 | Bushmills | square peg with length of side 1 will go into round hole of radius 0.71 |
| 08:10.56 | wols | !tell amero about hybrid image |
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| 08:11.02 | bullfrog | wols if u dont understand the concept, i cant help u |
| 08:11.06 | bullfrog | it just doesnt work |
| 08:11.08 | wols | !u |
| 08:11.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:11.18 | bullfrog | wols, umad? |
| 08:11.41 | bullfrog | u seem to be unable to handle day to day affairs without having strong emotional responses |
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| 08:12.27 | amero | wols: it's just a simple yes or no |
| 08:12.35 | amero | :] |
| 08:12.38 | wols | it seems the concept of irc and its limitations are too complicated to grasp. so I wish you good luck understanding it. as a parting gift: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc |
| 08:12.44 | wols | amero: no then |
| 08:12.48 | amero | ok |
| 08:12.53 | bullfrog | wols seems to get bent out of shape over simple things |
| 08:13.04 | bullfrog | he does not seem mentally sound |
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| 08:14.51 | Bushmills | best remedy for "doesn't work" is to "fix it" |
| 08:15.13 | bullfrog | Bushmills, then get to work and fix it |
| 08:15.27 | wols | Bushmills: don't you love that attitude? |
| 08:15.31 | Bushmills | why? it is not my problem, it is yours. *you* fix it |
| 08:15.47 | bullfrog | wols perhaps u should take a look at your attitude |
| 08:16.03 | Bushmills | hold out a mirror |
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| 08:16.20 | bullfrog | Bushmills, if u dont have anything more helpful to say u will go on ignore now |
| 08:16.23 | bullfrog | click |
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| 08:16.28 | Bushmills | hahaha |
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| 08:16.42 | wols | reclines back and reaches for the popcorn |
| 08:17.08 | bullfrog | wols, when was the last time u were laid? |
| 08:17.25 | bullfrog | u seem like an angry loser nerd |
| 08:17.31 | bullfrog | its no wonder no one will go out with u |
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| 08:18.21 | nevyn | bullfrog: he's hanging on #debian irc helping random ungrateful asshats on the internet none of us are sane. |
| 08:18.37 | bullfrog | nevyn, helping? |
| 08:18.38 | babilen | bullfrog: Please keep it friendly and focused on technical problems. There is no need for personal attacks. Ta! :) (Also it is 'you' not 'u') |
| 08:18.39 | bullfrog | thats disputable |
| 08:19.02 | bullfrog | babilen, please stop telling me what to do, now stfu with your y-7 kindergarten bullshit |
| 08:19.09 | bullfrog | grow the fuck up |
| 08:19.10 | bullfrog | and be a man |
| 08:19.14 | bullfrog | get some bitches |
| 08:19.17 | bullfrog | dont be a 30yo virgin |
| 08:19.22 | nevyn | !ops bullfrog is being abusive and disrespectful of women |
| 08:19.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: nevyn complains about: bullfrog is being abusive and disrespectful of women |
| 08:19.42 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 08:19.44 | bullfrog | nevyn, hurr hurr im a tattle tale |
| 08:19.46 | Bushmills | notice his irc client makes "click" when he pretend to ignore somebody :) |
| 08:19.48 | bullfrog | are u 12? |
| 08:19.54 | bullfrog | grow the fuck up |
| 08:19.55 | mentor | bullfrog: Stop it |
| 08:19.59 | bullfrog | mentor, make me |
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| 08:20.05 | bullfrog | now sit down and have a big cup of stfu |
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| 08:20.25 | babilen | mentor: ta |
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| 08:20.58 | wols | anyone want popcorn? there is some left |
| 08:21.09 | mentor | heh |
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| 08:22.34 | mentor | Worst anonymous ever? |
| 08:23.03 | wols | I think he was here before |
| 08:23.42 | mentor | His realname field was "ANONYMOUS" |
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| 08:33.46 | shylent | hello, I am configuring native ipv6 on an interface using a static ipv6 address and gateway and my configuration starts with "iface eth0 inet6 static" and includes "address", "gateway" and "netmask" statements. BUT! the address doesn't get assigned to the interface and the routes (local network and default) are not configured as well. what gives? |
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| 08:40.21 | decapcha | hi |
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| 08:41.29 | decapcha | I wont troll : but what is the most efficient software between parcellite or glipper ? |
| 08:41.48 | decapcha | (for gnome) |
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| 08:44.17 | jelly | decapcha: or clipit or klipper or autocutsel or...? :-) |
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| 08:44.47 | decapcha | there are lots of clip soft :D |
| 08:45.05 | decapcha | klipper : not possible (using gnome) |
| 08:45.30 | jelly | sure it's possible |
| 08:45.55 | decapcha | it's possible, but it's kde software |
| 08:46.03 | jelly | yeah, but it's possible |
| 08:46.28 | decapcha | i know that we can use kde software in gnome since many years ;) |
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| 08:46.56 | decapcha | (contrary too) |
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| 08:48.15 | decapcha | i said possible cause it's better to use gtk software in gnome than qt software |
| 08:48.26 | decapcha | (integration) |
| 08:48.58 | decapcha | so i'm seeing ya purposes :) |
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| 08:49.41 | wols | are the clipboard tools such hogs that they need to be specially efficient? |
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| 09:04.19 | buhman | is it better to describe the dns configuration in /etc/network/interfaces or in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 09:06.02 | wols | you can only use resolv.conf |
| 09:06.19 | wols | cause that's where all programs look (well libc resolver does mainly) |
| 09:06.41 | wols | you can install resolvconf package and manage it that ways |
| 09:06.55 | buhman | wols: well yes; that's what I was asking |
| 09:07.05 | buhman | wols: the debian manual seems to partially suggest to do so |
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| 09:09.37 | wols | you can use resolvconf.deb to set the DNS in the interfaces file which will then be written to your /etc/resolv.conf. if you want to do that is your own choice. all depends on network setup, preferences,etc |
| 09:10.10 | buhman | wols: when would I not want to use /etc/resolve.conf; I'm just curious |
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| 09:11.28 | llutz | buhman: if you can be sure no other process (like dhcpd) will change that file. it'll be overwritten from time to time |
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| 09:13.34 | wols | buhman: you ALWAYS use resolv.conf since that's the place for every program to look when it needs to resolve addresses. but how you enter data in there is different depending on setup |
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| 09:14.03 | SammyTheSnake | I've just installed watchdog and it says I don't have /dev/watchdog, do I need to install another package and insmod a module to make that appear? I'm on debian 5.0 (lenny) |
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| 09:16.48 | SammyTheSnake | the config file in /boot/ has CONFIG_WATCHDOG=y so I'm not sure why the device isn't automatically created, I'm a bit reluctant to use mkdev if udev or whatever is supposed to do that :-S |
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| 09:22.04 | rgr_ | finally! wpa-roam working and the horrendous network-manager consigned to the trash can. |
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| 09:22.31 | Multiply | Is there an easy way to apply http://rno-consultores.com/mail/qmail/qmail-1.03_outgoingips.patch to the qmail package, in debian? |
| 09:23.29 | wols | have you simply tried applying it like any other patch? |
| 09:24.33 | wols | rgr_: what is wpa-roam or rather, where to get it? |
| 09:24.41 | wols | sounds intriguing |
| 09:25.03 | rgr_ | applying it like any other patch? What does that mean in this context? |
| 09:25.10 | rgr_ | oh sorry |
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| 09:25.39 | rgr_ | wols: using wpa-supplicant to provide wireless roaming without the horrendous network-manager and its all new config mechanisms. |
| 09:26.13 | rgr_ | I can now properly use ppp vpns (more than one) and correctly use ip-up-d to do things like correctly set a pptp mtu. |
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| 09:26.55 | rgr_ | Its been a lesson in all thats wrong with Linux for me ANd what is right. The differences between distros is astonishing in the handling of networking scripts. |
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| 09:31.07 | Multiply | wols, yeah, but it seems like it doesn't build properly, when it's applied |
| 09:31.12 | SammyTheSnake | finds the module "softdog" and that appears to be his friend... |
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| 09:35.44 | wols | Multiply: that's the problem with software that is constantly patched to high heaven. nothing debian can do about in this case, it being qmail. may I interest you in one of the many other fine MTAs out there? *g* |
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| 09:36.39 | Multiply | You may, if I can configure them (easily :p) to send mails from different ips, per domain basis. |
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| 09:37.52 | petemc | exim can do that trivially |
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| 09:42.02 | rgr_ | trivially is not a word to be applied to exim |
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| 09:42.44 | wols | that's a general problem of mail, not exclusive to exim... (personally a postfix user here) |
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| 09:43.17 | rgr_ | well I use exim and gnus .. but exim is hellish as soon as you need something not in the debian dpkg-configure UI. |
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| 09:44.01 | rgr_ | the irc support refers you to reams of impentratable macro language "help" that you need to understand in order to understand it .... |
| 09:44.24 | petemc | not really |
| 09:44.27 | rgr_ | yes really |
| 09:45.00 | rgr_ | even a trivial google will show you people with their hands held out looking for help with exim. Its powerful but a nigtmare for the casual user. |
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| 09:45.36 | petemc | as wols said, there are lots of people who expect to be able to guess how it works without reading the excellect documentation |
| 09:45.46 | petemc | s/ct/nt/ |
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| 09:46.12 | rgr_ | yes... silly them not wanting to read 100000 pages of protocol level docs to find how to send a mail using gmx.de smtp or something. |
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| 09:46.20 | rgr_ | (bad example) |
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| 09:46.34 | petemc | well, i figured it out and im no einstein |
| 09:46.40 | rgr_ | It not easy. I know. I have tinkered and hung around in irc enough to know. And read enogh blogs to know. |
| 09:46.50 | petemc | its all relative |
| 09:46.56 | rgr_ | Of course it is I agree. |
| 09:47.31 | rgr_ | But even something as clearly obvious in thise day and age as multiple smart hosts based on from address is a nightmare to get going. |
| 09:48.03 | petemc | clearly obvious, interesting |
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| 09:48.34 | rgr_ | Yes, you're part of the "referral" I mean. You dont think its clear that people need to use a smrthost and have more than one email? |
| 09:48.52 | rgr_ | you cant use local smtp for sending on mobile networks more often than not. |
| 09:48.58 | petemc | ive tried to help you numerous times and you get annoyed and rage quit almost every time |
| 09:49.11 | rgr_ | because you dont help. YOu tell people to rtfm. |
| 09:49.19 | rgr_ | as you did above btw ;) |
| 09:49.42 | rgr_ | you are too knowledgable to realise how difficult it is for others to understand your terminology. |
| 09:51.03 | wols | yes, that's a big problem with MTAs. they are so complicated they need (and have developed) a domain specific language |
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| 09:51.21 | rgr_ | And I have spent enough time with exim4 to know I'm not a complete noob - I have set up virtual host mail forarding for exmaple, have smarthosts setup on my laptop (using gmail "friend" accounts) and a static ip sendmail at home. And it STILL confuses me. So I *know* exim4 is not "easy" and I *know* the docs are rubbish for newbies. |
| 09:51.23 | wols | but there is nothing that can be done: it's a specialist field and like any other it has its own language |
| 09:52.08 | rgr_ | And I know the complexity and power creates thsi situatin to a degree. But "rtfm" is akin to saying "dont bother" for something like exim4. |
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| 09:52.51 | rgr_ | And the best is the default setting in Debian/Ubuntu to not be able to send mails externally. Or it was. Maybe it changed... |
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| 09:54.40 | ompaul | most boxes don't send mail except in relation to cron, so externally sending is overkill |
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| 09:55.54 | ArdRigh | ok so giving debian a chance, any tips |
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| 09:57.53 | ompaul | ArdRigh: (high king as translated) - keep it patched, learn one app at a time, remember while it can do almost everything a desktop which sends mail may be more fun than you want to manage, it ain't $WhateverYouUsedToUse |
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| 09:58.40 | Fudge | omg netinstall with just ssh boots so fast, i even had speech less than two seconds after hitting enter at grub menu |
| 09:58.45 | ompaul | ArdRigh: there is a debian way to do almost everything, I'd say start with stable and get used to adding and removing things |
| 09:59.17 | Fudge | ArdRigh what are you coming from? |
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| 10:00.05 | ArdRigh | Fudge: fedora |
| 10:00.34 | Fudge | wow theyve been kicking releases out fast |
| 10:00.43 | Fudge | i keep meaning to give it a spin |
| 10:00.49 | ompaul | ArdRigh: everything you know is wrong ;-) , not 100% true, but for adding and removing packages stick with the debian way of doing things |
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| 10:01.04 | ArdRigh | going to setup as a vps |
| 10:01.13 | davro | ArdRigh: Big Question, but always Install from repositories where possibles. |
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| 10:01.50 | sidro | hi |
| 10:02.27 | ArdRigh | Fudge: yeah too fast for a server |
| 10:02.28 | sidro | how to remove nvidia and all nvidia components with only a command ? |
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| 10:02.58 | wols | dpkg -r nvidia* ? |
| 10:02.58 | dpkg | removes nvidia* along with a pound of flesh from wols's body, then staples wols back up with a staple gun. |
| 10:03.06 | Gaglia | Hi :) I'm trying to setup OpenVPN with elliptic curves cryptography on Debian stable, it looks like a difficult job, I couldn't find any howto on the web. If anybody is interested or can kindly provide help, this is my issue: https://forums.openvpn.net/topic8404.html - I will write a complete and detailed howto as a compensation for the community as soon as I get the whole thing up and running. |
| 10:03.14 | wols | thanks for the stapling up again |
| 10:04.20 | sidro | apt-get remove --purge nvidia* ??? |
| 10:05.03 | ompaul | Gaglia: in the last window you are missing this text WARNING: No server certificate verification method has been enabled. See http://openvpn.net/howto.html#mitm for more info. << that is your problem at this time |
| 10:05.05 | sidro | is correct? |
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| 10:06.29 | Gaglia | ompaul, that is an additional protection using a pre-shared secret key, it is important of course, but not mandatory (I'm ignoring that for testing purposes but I'll add it later). Thanks anyway for having paid attention :) |
| 10:06.57 | sidro | or |
| 10:07.30 | sidro | apt-get remove --purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia` |
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| 10:08.00 | sidro | I need to know if is correct |
| 10:08.25 | wols | sidro: what prevents you from trying? |
| 10:08.34 | ompaul | Gaglia: I use ovpn in its standard debian package, I create keys on the source server and use the "grid" from the howto to make sure I have the right keys in the right place, when I run into problems (not very often these days) I tend to turn up reporting/logging to about 6 to 9 and then run it for a few seconds and then go fix each problem one at a time |
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| 10:08.50 | sidro | i want to remove all nvidia stuff installed |
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| 10:09.14 | sidro | wols: i want to remove all nvidia stuff installed |
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| 10:09.50 | wols | sidro: didn't answer my question |
| 10:10.08 | Gaglia | ompaul, ok, I'll try with a more verbose log, just a minute |
| 10:10.35 | wols | afaik, all nvidia packages beginn with "nvidia", so they nvidia* will glob them. if the nvidia were somewhere in the middle (e.g. apache) the 2nd way would be needed |
| 10:10.47 | ompaul | Gaglia: don't to all the way with logging it is way too much which is why I say about 6 first |
| 10:10.54 | sidro | wols: i need to know exactly |
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| 10:11.21 | Gaglia | ompaul, I'll try with 6 first then |
| 10:11.28 | sidro | i want to know if my command is correct |
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| 10:11.37 | sidro | apt-get remove --purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia` |
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| 10:12.43 | wols | sidro: it's not correct |
| 10:12.53 | sidro | please corect it |
| 10:13.08 | wols | I dunno how to remove the "install" from the output |
| 10:13.43 | wols | sidro: use COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' |grep nvidia |
| 10:14.05 | sidro | ok |
| 10:14.11 | sidro | thanks |
| 10:14.30 | acemi | apt-get remove --purge `dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 | grep nvidia` |
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| 10:15.46 | sidro | thanks acemi |
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| 10:20.39 | nicopp | Hi! I have a Debian Wheezy, and I'd like to test a -RT kernel. Where can I find it? |
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| 10:30.41 | davro | nicopp: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+rt+kernel |
| 10:31.27 | Gaglia | ompaul, added more verbose logs (level 7) https://forums.openvpn.net/post13420.html |
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| 10:32.05 | ompaul | SSL3_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:no shared cipher |
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| 10:32.29 | ompaul | Gaglia: I'll find something on the openvpn site for ya a table of what certs go where |
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| 10:33.26 | Gaglia | ompaul, thanks, I noticed that message, but I couldn't find an explaination :( |
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| 10:36.38 | ompaul | Gaglia: http://www.openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html look in here for "Key Files" if your setup does not match the info there ... well it will never work, also have a look at the sample configs at the end of that page they are rather useful, mine have been custom so long it is not funny |
| 10:38.19 | Fudge | what does this mean on a source that took ages to update Packages/DiffIndex |
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| 10:38.42 | Gaglia | ompaul, thanks, I've always followed that howto, and in fact I didn't have any problem when I tried a standard setup with RSA-SHA1 encryption, there must be some problem with my EC crypto setup but I can't find it |
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| 10:38.55 | Gaglia | maybe I should post the issue in the OpenSSL forum too |
| 10:39.11 | Gaglia | because it surely depends on the crypto |
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| 10:40.39 | ompaul | Gaglia: how to get shot in one easy lesson, firstly go and prove that with certs and so on that it works the other way i.e. the standard way then document the transfer of the new certs etc into the right place after that you might find something worth bugging a list about right now you are going to say "doesn't work for me" and they will just say ... go use the standard methods they are proven |
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| 10:45.59 | Lewoco | For example I always want a specific printer to print number-up=2 even if the user specifies number-up=1 on the command line. |
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| 10:55.49 | geeco | Is it possible to load in iptables into my kernel? Currently im getting "iptables v1.4.8: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded." |
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| 10:57.22 | petemc | geeco: does modprobe iptable_filter work? |
| 10:57.37 | petemc | i dont recall ever having to manually do that tho... |
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| 10:58.49 | geeco | petemc it worked ;) |
| 10:59.02 | petemc | good shit |
| 10:59.04 | geeco | thank you |
| 10:59.07 | petemc | np |
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| 11:07.40 | failure | have anyone notice higher load on sqeueeze if you match it with some hardware some job but lenny ? |
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| 11:08.31 | failure | the load is about 10 times higher on squezee |
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| 11:09.52 | failure | 2.6.32-5-amd64 load average: 0.80, 0.70, 0.64, 2.6.32 (kernel from debian stable, but running lenny) load average: 0.07, 0.09, 0.08 |
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| 11:10.43 | jelly | failure: is it a laptop or some other frequency-throttling capable cpu/hardware? |
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| 11:11.13 | failure | Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz |
| 11:11.16 | jokar | o/ stew |
| 11:11.17 | failure | with hypertherading |
| 11:11.19 | jokar | hi all |
| 11:11.21 | failure | 16 cores |
| 11:11.21 | jokar | o/ |
| 11:11.27 | Fudge | is there a gpg key for squeeze backports? |
| 11:11.27 | failure | no laptops :P |
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| 11:13.02 | jokar | i have a WD usd hdd and i set a password for it but my WD hdd not work in debian |
| 11:13.06 | jelly | failure: ok. You have 8 cores. Why do you care about loadavg < 8, let alone loadavg < 1? |
| 11:13.19 | jelly | er, 16 cores |
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| 11:13.32 | failure | jelly: i want the some load on both servers that runs the some thing |
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| 11:13.45 | jelly | failure: both .8 and .08 are negligible |
| 11:13.45 | failure | eg. else something isnt working as intended |
| 11:13.53 | jelly | %loadavg |
| 11:13.53 | dselect | [load average] the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. It's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, e.g. I/O, network socket responses. |
| 11:14.10 | jelly | hm, that's not what I wanted |
| 11:14.21 | failure | :P |
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| 11:14.24 | smooki | hello |
| 11:14.49 | jokar | o/ wols |
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| 11:14.56 | smooki | does debian /stable allows to install nginx (for rails with rvm) ? |
| 11:15.12 | smooki | via apt-get ? |
| 11:15.15 | petemc | yes |
| 11:15.22 | failure | jelly: there is a slighty diffrense in IO wait, but its some disk, some raid controller, all is the some, its just lenny/squeezee that differ |
| 11:15.27 | smooki | how can I get the version supported please ? |
| 11:15.36 | jokar | can debian work with external HDD? |
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| 11:15.43 | petemc | judd: versions nginx |
| 11:15.45 | judd | Package nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3; squeeze-backports: 1.0.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.0.4-1; wheezy: 1.0.4-1 |
| 11:15.47 | ksk | smooki: you can look things like this up at packages.debian.org |
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| 11:15.55 | smooki | ok |
| 11:15.57 | smooki | htanks |
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| 11:17.24 | jokar | can debian work with external HDD? |
| 11:17.33 | abrotman | yes |
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| 11:18.23 | jokar | i se a password for my HDD but in debian not work |
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| 11:19.05 | abrotman | set a password? |
| 11:19.13 | abrotman | with what? |
| 11:19.31 | wols | abrotman: he has a WD "special" drive where he can set a password with some windows software or other |
| 11:19.33 | petemc | they come with a windows app for that kind of thing iirc |
| 11:19.52 | abrotman | is this like the truecrypt stuff? |
| 11:20.02 | jokar | WD not support Linux? |
| 11:20.18 | wols | I doubt that it's something as useful as truecrypt :) |
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| 11:20.26 | wols | jokar: ask WD. probably they don't |
| 11:20.34 | abrotman | so wait, you can't access your data without it? |
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| 11:20.43 | jokar | yes |
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| 11:21.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | owned |
| 11:21.05 | wols | so what do you get when you plug in the disk? |
| 11:21.11 | jaakkos | goddamn proprietary fs encryption tools... |
| 11:21.33 | jokar | when i plug it,debian only show me some windows file |
| 11:21.35 | fyodor | hi, is there any way to save power usage by iwl3945 wifi card? |
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| 11:21.46 | abrotman | oh, it treats it as a storage file .. not a filesystem .. cute |
| 11:21.56 | jaakkos | jokar: what might the file utility say about it |
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| 11:22.02 | jaakkos | 'file <file>' |
| 11:22.24 | abrotman | fyodor: maybe turn down the power? modinfo might help also |
| 11:22.36 | jokar | my WD have a unlocker.exe and formater.exe |
| 11:22.41 | wols | fyodor: afaik power management is broken on older intel wlan cards |
| 11:22.46 | abrotman | jokar: and no other files? |
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| 11:23.10 | jokar | no they have only windows file and mac file |
| 11:23.34 | abrotman | so there are four files? |
| 11:23.41 | jaakkos | does the disk have a partition table |
| 11:24.04 | jokar | yes,it is |
| 11:24.26 | jokar | and file system is NTFS |
| 11:24.53 | jaakkos | anyway jokar, perhaps you should use truecrypt which works easily for both operating systems |
| 11:25.12 | jokar | how? |
| 11:25.15 | jaakkos | what you see is apparently some western digital proprietary file encryption software |
| 11:25.20 | fyodor | wols: yes, I knew it. But the panel is really hot..@@ |
| 11:25.48 | abrotman | jokar: do you already have files on the HDD? |
| 11:26.01 | jokar | yes |
| 11:26.15 | abrotman | are they large files? like movies? |
| 11:26.26 | jokar | no |
| 11:26.28 | jaakkos | you must copy them elsewhere first |
| 11:26.36 | jokar | iok |
| 11:26.36 | jaakkos | because the drive will be reformatted by truecrypt |
| 11:26.40 | jaakkos | http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads |
| 11:27.02 | abrotman | why does it need to be encrypted at all? |
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| 11:27.49 | wols | fyodor: I know. nothing you can do, except changing hardware. it's a mini-pcie after all... |
| 11:28.07 | jokar | after download what do i do? |
| 11:28.21 | jaakkos | jokar: see what abrotman said though. |
| 11:28.43 | jokar | i have some important info |
| 11:28.53 | jaakkos | ok (and it's nice to know how to do it anyway :)) |
| 11:29.07 | jaakkos | did you extract the tar.gz |
| 11:29.11 | abrotman | sure, but there are easier ways if windows isn't involved ... |
| 11:29.36 | jaakkos | dm-crypt with cryptsetup... but i think windows is involved |
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| 11:29.52 | jokar | if i encrypted it,windows can be read it? |
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| 11:30.31 | abrotman | if you use truecrypt, it should be possible |
| 11:30.33 | jaakkos | jokar: yes, when you mount it with truecrypt |
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| 11:30.48 | dbbolton | when i run "usermod -a -G cdrom dbb" as root, and then "groups" as dbb, it shows that dbb is not a member of cdrom |
| 11:30.52 | fyodor | wols: oh, bad news. anyway thx for your info. |
| 11:30.52 | jokar | aha |
| 11:30.56 | wols | jokar: if you install truecrypt on windows, then yes you can |
| 11:31.03 | jokar | ok |
| 11:31.05 | jokar | thank you |
| 11:31.07 | jokar | ;) |
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| 11:31.29 | wols | dbbolton: after changing groups you need to log out and log in again for the change to work |
| 11:31.32 | abrotman | dbbolton: logout/login |
| 11:31.38 | dbbolton | ok, thanks |
| 11:31.45 | abrotman | or newgrp |
| 11:31.47 | jokar | excuse me all |
| 11:32.10 | jokar | i want install adobe acrobat in debian but adobe not have any 64 bit software |
| 11:32.24 | jokar | i install ia32-lib |
| 11:32.38 | jokar | but i can't install 32 bit software |
| 11:33.12 | abrotman | now, what do you need acrobat for? |
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| 11:33.35 | jokar | i know linux have many pdf reader but i need acrobat |
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| 11:33.51 | abrotman | for ... ? |
| 11:34.08 | jokar | for oprn pdf file acrobat have many option |
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| 11:34.20 | abrotman | you're still not answering the question |
| 11:34.37 | jokar | i need acrobat for open pdf file |
| 11:34.41 | abrotman | no, you don't |
| 11:34.46 | jaakkos | he might |
| 11:34.51 | jokar | why? |
| 11:34.51 | abrotman | he hasn't said why .. |
| 11:34.55 | jaakkos | did you try other readers already |
| 11:34.58 | abrotman | to open one, you do not need adobe |
| 11:35.05 | jokar | yes i have another pdf reader |
| 11:35.10 | jaakkos | evince and friends don't handle all pdfs nicely. |
| 11:35.11 | wols | jokar: there are many pdf viewers already in debian |
| 11:35.16 | jokar | yes |
| 11:35.21 | jaakkos | but did you try them |
| 11:35.27 | jokar | but how install 32 bit software on 64 bit? |
| 11:35.44 | jokar | is it possible? |
| 11:35.44 | abrotman | jokar: what about evince/xpdf/kpdf don't work ? |
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| 11:35.59 | jokar | yes they are good |
| 11:36.05 | fyodor | jokar: there is an option to disable arch check to meet your needs |
| 11:36.15 | abrotman | fyodor: and it won't run |
| 11:36.42 | jokar | but i have another 32 bit software |
| 11:36.49 | abrotman | so what? |
| 11:36.53 | abrotman | jokar: what about evince/xpdf/kpdf don't work ? |
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| 11:37.04 | fyodor | abrotman: if you installed the ia32-libs, i would be OK |
| 11:37.05 | jokar | i use xpdf,it is good |
| 11:37.19 | abrotman | fyodor: maybe, maybe not |
| 11:37.24 | jokar | i install ia32-libs but not work !!!! |
| 11:37.34 | abrotman | see |
| 11:37.35 | jokar | 32bit software not installed |
| 11:37.58 | abrotman | he still hasn't said what's wrong with evince/kpdf/xpdf |
| 11:38.14 | abrotman | finds evince to be perfectly fine unless it's a 20MB PDF |
| 11:38.33 | fyodor | i prefer mupdf, man |
| 11:38.38 | jokar | ok,i understand i use xpdf but for install 32 bit software what do i do? |
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| 11:38.56 | jaakkos | jokar: are you really sure you have to do that? |
| 11:38.58 | abrotman | jokar: there may not be anything you can do .. honestly, the best thing to do would be to complain to adobe that they don't support 64bit linux |
| 11:39.17 | jokar | yes i know |
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| 11:39.28 | jokar | i wont install adobe |
| 11:39.30 | abrotman | jokar: what about evince/xpdf/kpdf don't work ? |
| 11:39.46 | jokar | xpdf work properly |
| 11:39.53 | abrotman | okay, problem solved! |
| 11:39.53 | jokar | it is good |
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| 11:40.20 | jokar | can i run 32 bit software on 64 bit software?like crossware |
| 11:40.29 | jaakkos | yes in principle. |
| 11:40.43 | jokar | i must use special parameter |
| 11:40.45 | jokar | ? |
| 11:40.52 | abrotman | no, but they don't all work |
| 11:41.01 | jokar | oh |
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| 11:41.06 | jaakkos | there is a compatibility layer. however, you will also need the dynamic libraries which might be missing on a 64-bit system. |
| 11:41.12 | abrotman | there are other methods .. but they're not simple |
| 11:41.24 | jaakkos | also, if the program does something funny such as performs checks on the architecture, things will not work. |
| 11:41.42 | jaakkos | you can also debootstrap a 32-bit debian installation and chroot into it |
| 11:41.43 | ArdRigh | the best thing to do would be to support GNASH and stop using Adobe products |
| 11:41.46 | jaakkos | or you can run a virtual machine. |
| 11:41.53 | abrotman | ArdRigh: for reading PDFs ? |
| 11:42.07 | jokar | ;) |
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| 11:42.19 | jokar | my old linux software are 32 bit |
| 11:42.19 | abrotman | ArdRigh: not that i disagree with you :) |
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| 11:42.34 | ArdRigh | abrotman: yeah, GNASH should support PDFS too :P |
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| 11:43.20 | skilz | hey guys how do I get the tux penguin picture in the top left of my console screen? |
| 11:43.33 | ArdRigh | I use evince on windows, it works nicely for the most part, except silly PDFs that have security settings on them |
| 11:43.46 | ArdRigh | I also use evince on the desktop |
| 11:43.50 | ArdRigh | fedora |
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| 11:45.32 | jokar | is truecrypt GUI in linux? |
| 11:46.02 | jaakkos | jokar: yes |
| 11:46.10 | ksk | its just like in windows ;) |
| 11:46.15 | jaakkos | jokar: unless you downloaded the CLI only version |
| 11:46.58 | jokar | in website only 1 version is exist |
| 11:47.15 | ksk | thats a lie |
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| 11:47.27 | jaakkos | there are 'standard' and 'console-only' |
| 11:47.45 | ksk | ack |
| 11:48.01 | ksk | for both 32 and 64bit |
| 11:48.02 | abrotman | course, the truecrypt is probably 32bit, and won't run on 64bit ... |
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| 11:48.21 | jaakkos | there is a 64b release. |
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| 11:48.41 | abrotman | shocked, i am |
| 11:48.46 | ArdRigh | is truecrypt better than the LUKS setup? |
| 11:48.57 | ksk | whats "better"? |
| 11:49.04 | jaakkos | how is LUKS supported in windows btw |
| 11:49.12 | ksk | tc is cool, if you want to travel encrypted data beteween linux and windoes |
| 11:49.22 | ksk | ah okay |
| 11:49.32 | ksk | dunno about luks ;) |
| 11:49.57 | jaakkos | wikipedia suggests http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeOTFE |
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| 11:50.23 | jokar | oh truecrypt use a volume file\? |
| 11:50.34 | jokar | and i must have this file? |
| 11:50.34 | jaakkos | thing i don't like about truecrypt is you can't do full disk encryption on Linux with it. |
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| 11:50.50 | jaakkos | jokar: you can use a complete device or partition |
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| 11:51.01 | jokar | yes |
| 11:51.16 | jokar | but it store information about my hdd in a file |
| 11:51.25 | jaakkos | you don't have to do that |
| 11:51.29 | jokar | Choose the volume file location |
| 11:51.53 | jokar | is it portable? |
| 11:51.59 | jaakkos | yes |
| 11:52.09 | jokar | like WD software? |
| 11:52.16 | jaakkos | you call that portable |
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| 11:52.28 | jaakkos | it doesn't work in Linux |
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| 11:52.46 | jaakkos | oh i think i know what you mean though. |
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| 11:52.56 | jokar | ? |
| 11:52.58 | jaakkos | are you planning to mount it on a computer with no truecrypt installed |
| 11:53.02 | abrotman | you can create a portion of the truecrypt disk that is not encrypted to carry the drivers |
| 11:53.21 | jaakkos | in that case, what abrotman said. |
| 11:53.46 | jokar | if i use truecrypt for encrypt my hdd can i open my hdd in another computer? |
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| 11:54.02 | jokar | WD have a software for unlock hdd |
| 11:54.14 | jaakkos | that software is included on the hdd |
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| 11:54.16 | abrotman | jokar: for linux? |
| 11:54.19 | jaakkos | you can include truecrypt, too. |
| 11:54.28 | jokar | linux and windows |
| 11:54.38 | jaakkos | you can include truecrypt installer for linux, too. |
| 11:54.50 | jaakkos | i think it should be possible to run tc without installing |
| 11:54.53 | abrotman | 32b and 64b |
| 11:55.06 | jokar | therefor i must install truecrypt in host |
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| 11:55.40 | jaakkos | jokar: iirc you can simply run the exe on the external drive without installing |
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| 11:56.06 | jokar | oh truecrypt make a exe file for run easier? |
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| 11:56.12 | jokar | like WD |
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| 11:56.38 | jaakkos | jokar: http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=truecrypt-portable |
| 11:57.19 | jokar | aha |
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| 12:00.13 | jaakkos | there seems to be one nasty drawback with truecrypt though, but maybe it's fixed in a new release |
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| 12:00.47 | Prajwal | how do i add pool to the sources.list |
| 12:00.50 | jaakkos | my 6.3a only lets me format the encrypted volume as FAT, which is old in many ways |
| 12:00.57 | Prajwal | i see wireshark app has a update in pool |
| 12:01.05 | jaakkos | (ntfs would be nice.) |
| 12:01.15 | abrotman | Prajwal: edit the file, add the repository |
| 12:01.26 | Prajwal | yep but the path ? |
| 12:01.31 | boudiccas | but FAT and NTFS will need defragging at some stage |
| 12:01.38 | abrotman | Prajwal: the website should say ? |
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| 12:01.53 | jaakkos | boudiccas: for windows compatibility |
| 12:02.07 | boudiccas | no, for optimuim file usage |
| 12:02.10 | Prajwal | abrotman: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/ ?? |
| 12:02.24 | abrotman | Prajwal: uh, that's not how that pool works |
| 12:02.34 | abrotman | Prajwal: those are for different versions of Debian |
| 12:02.40 | jaakkos | boudiccas: i'm saying, it would be nice to be able to format it as NTFS for mounting it in windows. |
| 12:02.53 | Prajwal | abrotman: can i pm? |
| 12:03.29 | abrotman | rather you keep it here |
| 12:03.32 | Prajwal | ok |
| 12:03.40 | abrotman | i've got nothing to hide! |
| 12:03.46 | boudiccas | jaakkos; why not format it as ext3 and dump the ms windows? |
| 12:03.51 | Prajwal | the current version of wireshark from the official repos is 1.2.1 |
| 12:03.58 | abrotman | Prajwal: for Squeeze? |
| 12:04.01 | Prajwal | yes |
| 12:04.03 | abrotman | judd: versions wireshark |
| 12:04.03 | judd | Package wireshark on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.2-3+lenny12; lenny-proposed-updates: 1.0.2-3+lenny13; lenny-security: 1.0.2-3+lenny13; squeeze: 1.2.11-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.2.11-6+squeeze1; sid: 1.6.0-1; wheezy: 1.6.0-1 |
| 12:04.21 | abrotman | okay .. but those newer versions aren't for running on squeeze |
| 12:04.23 | jaakkos | boudiccas: because truecrypt is often used with portable drives, and if i only used linux, i would use dm-crypt instead of truecrypt |
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| 12:04.39 | Prajwal | and i see 1.6.0 out there |
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| 12:05.16 | abrotman | but it's not for your version of debian |
| 12:05.21 | Prajwal | i think i have to work it from the sources then |
| 12:05.44 | Prajwal | anyway thanks for your help |
| 12:05.53 | abrotman | Prajwal: you're going to break your system |
| 12:06.00 | boudiccas | there'll be tears before bedtime! |
| 12:06.04 | Prajwal | i will compile from the source |
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| 12:06.20 | Prajwal | will get the tarball |
| 12:06.39 | abrotman | !tell Prajwal about ssb |
| 12:06.52 | abrotman | dpkg: you came back! |
| 12:06.52 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 12:08.33 | dreamer | so, on squeeze, how do I set vhost in apache for mediawiki? |
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| 12:08.57 | ksk | like u did in lenny? :D |
| 12:09.04 | ksk | ask #httpd ;) |
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| 12:09.09 | ksk | or google |
| 12:09.14 | ksk | should not be that hard |
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| 12:10.08 | iaj_ | When I edit the /etc/crontab with an entry like `05 14 * * * username /home/username/bin/path/to/file.sh' do I need to rerun sth or will it just work out? |
| 12:10.09 | dreamer | ksk: well, I'm following http://wiki.debian.org/MediaWiki but the apache-config described doesn't work |
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| 12:10.18 | IngoPan | hi |
| 12:10.18 | dreamer | (which is for sid, so duh) |
| 12:10.26 | IngoPan | whre in debian is my www root dir? |
| 12:10.35 | IngoPan | i see its there when i connect, but i dunno the location |
| 12:10.44 | abrotman | iaj_: should be fine, does it not work ? |
| 12:10.52 | abrotman | IngoPan: by default /var/www/ |
| 12:10.58 | IngoPan | its not /var/www |
| 12:11.00 | IngoPan | hmm |
| 12:11.00 | abrotman | it is! |
| 12:11.13 | abrotman | there's a rewrite rule to send it to a subdir there until you change that |
| 12:11.16 | abrotman | IIRC |
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| 12:12.00 | iaj_ | abrotman; when doint a crontab -l i get a 'no crontab entry for iaj' |
| 12:12.19 | abrotman | iaj_: /etc/crontab is the system crontab, not your user crontab |
| 12:12.41 | abrotman | (or one of the system crontabs) |
| 12:12.49 | iaj_ | abrotman; oh.. so I dont put user stuff in there? |
| 12:12.58 | abrotman | well, you can |
| 12:13.24 | DammitJim | how do I check if my pc is using an NTP server to determine time? |
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| 12:13.38 | DammitJim | since my last apt-get upgrade, it seems my clock is off |
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| 12:13.44 | DammitJim | but I don't remember what was updated |
| 12:13.44 | abrotman | DammitJim: dpkg -l "*ntp*" |
| 12:13.53 | abrotman | or you're using chrony |
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| 12:14.04 | boudiccas | iaj_; i use a crontab stored in my home folder and use this command to activate it ....... crontab -u boztu /home/boztu/cron/boztu.crontab |
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| 12:14.11 | iaj_ | abrotman; mhhh strange... even a `sudo crontab -l' doesnt show the new entry |
| 12:14.27 | DammitJim | oh, no packages found |
| 12:14.27 | abrotman | iaj_: it may spawn a subshell, which wouldn't inherit that sudo |
| 12:14.32 | abrotman | (i thnik) |
| 12:14.38 | DammitJim | chrony? dpkg -l "*chrony*" ? |
| 12:14.47 | iaj_ | boudiccas; oh thanks thats all there is to it? |
| 12:14.51 | abrotman | iaj_: if you want it as a user crontab, you wouldn't use sudo at all |
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| 12:14.57 | iaj_ | crontab -u ⦠will add the file to the main crontab? |
| 12:15.19 | boudiccas | iaj_; for the user cron yes, root is slightly different |
| 12:15.39 | iaj_ | abrotman; oh, it worked out :) |
| 12:15.56 | iaj_ | in main /etc/crontab... but Ill tru boudiccas approach for furhter user stuff |
| 12:16.03 | iaj_ | s/tru/try |
| 12:16.25 | boudiccas | iaj_; it make sit easier to control and add to your user crontab |
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| 12:16.44 | abrotman | crontab -e is hard? |
| 12:16.56 | boudiccas | iaj_; makes it, and keeps it in your home folder too |
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| 12:17.28 | iaj_ | boudiccas; that crontab.. does it contain * * * * * <user> <script> |
| 12:17.30 | iaj_ | entries? |
| 12:17.34 | iaj_ | or without <user> |
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| 12:18.09 | boudiccas | yes, it calls uptime.sh, and also backup.sh with no problems |
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| 12:19.47 | dreamer | so the guide on the debian wiki says in the sid-section some dirs have to be protected. should I put this in my vhost-config? |
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| 12:19.54 | iaj_ | boudiccas; hmm which file gets changed when I call crontab -u iaj /home/iaj/bin/foobar.sh |
| 12:19.57 | iaj_ | ? |
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| 12:20.28 | boudiccas | iaj_; 00 */3 * * * /home/boztu/cron/backup.sh is my line for doing my backups with |
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| 12:21.14 | iaj_ | boudiccas; hm yeah crontab -l shows it, but I cant see the line added anywhere |
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| 12:21.23 | boudiccas | iaj_; set up the cron job like i've just shown you and then do my ...... crontab -u boztu /home/boztu/cron/boztu.crontab |
| 12:21.38 | skilz | hey guys how do I get the tux penguin picture in the top left of my console screen? |
| 12:21.55 | iaj_ | boudiccas; i did that |
| 12:21.57 | skilz | tty1 |
| 12:22.02 | DammitJim | ok, just verified that the bios has the right time |
| 12:22.09 | DammitJim | I guess the system time is just off? |
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| 12:22.15 | DammitJim | should I jsut set it using date? |
| 12:22.17 | iaj_ | and `crontab -l' is listing it... but I cannot find it in any file :) |
| 12:22.23 | iaj_ | And it ain't getting executed so far |
| 12:22.39 | skilz | how do I set my resolution in fluxbox? |
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| 12:23.00 | Fudge | hi, im wondering why i cant install from squeeze backports firmware-linux-nonfree, but i could yesterday |
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| 12:23.41 | boudiccas | iaj_; set up a file for yourslef called ....... userbame.crontab ...... and put your user cron jobs in it. check that you cna execute any shell scripts and then activate the crontab |
| 12:24.06 | wols | Fudge: that .deb isn't in backports and never was |
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| 12:24.29 | wols | Fudge: if you need that firmware you need to get it from wheezy |
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| 12:25.15 | Fudge | firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb |
| 12:25.36 | Fudge | i didnt have anyy wheezy sources |
| 12:26.05 | wols | ,versions firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:26.05 | judd | Package firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; wheezy/non-free: 0.30; sid/non-free: 0.32 |
| 12:26.24 | wols | Fudge: not in backports, but as you can see it's the version from squeeze |
| 12:26.45 | IngoPan | thx |
| 12:26.48 | Fudge | mm, thank you for clearing that up wols :) |
| 12:27.09 | abrotman | IngoPan: please don't msg me |
| 12:27.11 | Prajwal | versions nmap |
| 12:27.17 | abrotman | IngoPan: where are they normally? |
| 12:27.21 | boudiccas | iaj_; http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html and see the entry headed 'backups and rsync' on 9/6/11 |
| 12:27.30 | Prajwal | judd: versions nmap |
| 12:27.31 | judd | Package nmap on i386 -- lenny: 4.62-1; lenny-backports: 5.00-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.00-3; wheezy: 5.21-1; sid: 5.21-1.1 |
| 12:27.32 | wols | Prajwal: if you want to check something for yourself: /msg judd ,versions <package> |
| 12:27.42 | Prajwal | thanks wols |
| 12:27.56 | failure | version cakephp |
| 12:28.03 | failure | versions cakephp |
| 12:28.12 | wols | failure: this applies to you too... |
| 12:28.12 | Prajwal | failure: PM judd |
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| 12:28.34 | boudiccas | judd is a bot! |
| 12:28.39 | failure | judd: versions cakephp |
| 12:28.41 | judd | Package cakephp on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.0.7296-rc2-1; squeeze: 1.3.2-1.1; sid: 1.3.7-1; wheezy: 1.3.7-1 |
| 12:28.42 | Fudge | Prajwal fail |
| 12:28.44 | Fudge | :p |
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| 12:28.57 | Prajwal | ^_^ |
| 12:28.57 | iaj_ | boudiccas; after doing the `crontab -u iaj /path/to/file' it should work out, correct? |
| 12:29.00 | Prajwal | i need rest now :P |
| 12:29.05 | Fudge | its only early |
| 12:29.10 | Fudge | didnt u only get up 6 hours ago |
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| 12:29.59 | boudiccas | iaj_; why put the -u in the crontab entry? you're calling a file and dont need it. i advise you to read that blog entry i posted for your attention |
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| 12:34.43 | iaj_ | boudiccas; huh? sorry that post there doesnt really help me :) I'm still stuck.. I put 31 14 * * * iaj /home/iaj/bin/bank_export.sh into my /home/iaj/foobar.crontab and then did a crontab -u iaj /home/iaj/foobar.crontab but it aint working out :( |
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| 12:36.26 | boudiccas | iaj_; you dont need ..... 31 14 * * * <iaj> /home/iaj/bin/bank_export.sh .......... and is your shell script executable. have you checked its permissions? |
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| 12:37.25 | boudiccas | iaj_; you need a separate file comprising your shell script called ....... bank_export.sh |
| 12:37.31 | abrotman | hopes it is somewhere near 1430 where iaj_ is :) |
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| 12:38.28 | boudiccas | iaj_; and then just run your version of this line ............ crontab -u boztu /home/boztu/cron/boztu.crontab........ with your username in the appropriate places |
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| 12:41.03 | iaj_ | my script is running... but why dont I need the 31 14 * * * part??? I dont get that :)) I want it to be run at 14:31h local time |
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| 12:41.59 | boudiccas | iaj_; it will run at that time if set up correctly |
| 12:42.47 | dym | iaj_: why not simply do: crontab -e |
| 12:43.03 | dym | then 31 14 * * * /home/iaj/bin/bank_export.sh |
| 12:43.05 | dym | save |
| 12:43.08 | dym | and voila |
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| 12:43.56 | Bushmills | iaj_: don't put user name (iaj) into user crontab |
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| 12:44.16 | Bushmills | "I put 31 14 * * * iaj /home/iaj/bin/bank_export.sh" ... |
| 12:44.27 | iaj_ | ok that was my question a while back :) |
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| 12:44.45 | iaj_ | ⦠or without <user> |
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| 12:45.26 | dym | without |
| 12:45.30 | dym | if you do it as the user |
| 12:45.33 | dym | then of course without |
| 12:45.52 | dym | you need to be the boztu user |
| 12:46.23 | boudiccas | dym; there is only one boztu allowable, ME! |
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| 12:46.39 | iaj_ | yeah it works :) had to get rid of the iaj part in the users crontab file |
| 12:46.45 | dym | ;) |
| 12:46.50 | dym | boudiccas: whatever that may mean. |
| 12:47.00 | boudiccas | iaj_; thats what i already told you |
| 12:47.41 | iaj_ | boudiccas; you told me to get rid of the 31 14 * * * part, no? |
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| 12:48.01 | boudiccas | iaj_; no, i said to lose <iaj> |
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| 12:48.35 | iaj_ | ohhh.. i didnt get that part then... :\ |
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| 12:48.48 | dym | to be fair - neither did I. |
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| 12:49.28 | boudiccas | iaj_; you dont need ..... 31 14 * * * <iaj> /home/iaj/bin/bank_export.sh .......... and is your shell script executable. have you checked its permissions? |
| 12:49.46 | boudiccas | iaj_; thats what i said |
| 12:49.54 | iaj_ | I see the <iaj> part now... but I didnt know that you ment to get rid of it |
| 12:49.57 | dym | care to point out where you told him to lose the <iaj> ? |
| 12:50.14 | iaj_ | and my question earlier was: |
| 12:50.15 | iaj_ | 12:17:28 iaj_: boudiccas; that crontab.. does it contain * * * * * <user> <script> |
| 12:50.18 | iaj_ | 12:17:30 iaj_: entries? |
| 12:50.21 | iaj_ | 12:17:34 iaj_: or without <user> |
| 12:50.46 | iaj_ | but nevermind that - got it working now - thanks alot :) |
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| 13:08.55 | pif | hi, in what file is page size defined again? |
| 13:09.01 | pif | a4, letter, etc. |
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| 13:09.26 | abrotman | the default, or the actual papersize? |
| 13:09.36 | pif | the default |
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| 13:09.52 | pif | ah, /etc/papersize |
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| 13:22.57 | ceyusa | how do I specify to my compiler the new library path with multiarch?? |
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| 13:23.31 | ceyusa | because the pkg-config doesn't tell to the compiler use the /usr/lib/x86_64... |
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| 13:26.26 | mark76 | I'm beginning to think all my crashiness problems were caused by compositing |
| 13:27.17 | Guest75861 | is it possible to remove soft raid without destroying data? |
| 13:27.44 | greycat | eww, what are you trying to do, and is it RAID 1 or some other kind of array? |
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| 13:29.31 | manchot | I have lines such as 170 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.08 md3_raid1 |
| 13:29.33 | manchot | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.04 | manchot | there is only one disk so there is no need to keep that raid1 configuration. |
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| 13:30.22 | abrotman | it's also not hurting anything really |
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| 13:31.06 | greycat | what happened to the other disk? |
| 13:31.44 | ceyusa | a workaround could be export PKG_CONFIG_ALLOW_SYSTEM_LIBS=1 |
| 13:32.11 | abrotman | ceyusa: you might want to try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net .. they may have some pointers |
| 13:32.24 | ceyusa | abrotman: oh, thanks! |
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| 13:32.43 | abrotman | (assuming they're awake) |
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| 13:35.03 | greycat | OK. I have a lenny box running 2.6.28-1-amd64. It has two SCSI RAID cabinets attached. One cabinet presents two disk devices, and the other presents four. I can see all six devices in the BIOS. However, the kernel only finds ONE of the disk devices from the cabinet that should have 2. So Linux only sees 5 out of 6 devices. |
| 13:35.08 | greycat | What can I do about this? |
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| 13:35.45 | greycat | These cabinets were formerly attached to a Debian 3.1 system running 2.4.x which saw all 6 devices, but which stopped working recently. |
| 13:35.50 | manchot | abrotman, where you replying to my question by saying "<abrotman> it's also not hurting anything really" |
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| 13:35.57 | manchot | *were* |
| 13:36.28 | Justin | greycat: does rescanning the scsi bus help? maybe it's a timing issue? |
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| 13:36.37 | greycat | How do I rescan the scsi bus? |
| 13:37.12 | Justin | good question.. it's probably changed since I last did it |
| 13:37.36 | stew | scsitools: /sbin/rescan-scsi-bus ? |
| 13:37.40 | alfadir | xorg (sid) stopped working with my g15 keyboard. i think evdev does not pick it up correctly alternatively the g15deamon does not work properly with new setup (udev/evdev). any hints? |
| 13:38.13 | greycat | heh, it wants to install 33 extra packages for that, most of them X libs... |
| 13:38.35 | Justin | greycat: 'apt-get install scsitools wish-' ? |
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| 13:38.46 | Justin | oh, |
| 13:38.51 | Justin | greycat: 'apt-get install scsitools tk8.4- wish-' ? |
| 13:39.00 | greycat | I just let it. |
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| 13:39.17 | greycat | someone'll probably want to ssh -X to it some day anyway |
| 13:39.18 | Justin | it's just a recommends for one of the tools you won't be using anyway |
| 13:39.24 | Justin | scsitools: /usr/sbin/tk_scsiformat |
| 13:39.41 | greycat | 1 new device(s) found. |
| 13:40.11 | Justin | yay? :) |
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| 13:40.22 | greycat | Very promising... |
| 13:41.23 | greycat | Yes. That's the right device. Mounts and everything... now how do I make sure this always shows up whenever I reboot? |
| 13:41.36 | Justin | another good question :-) |
| 13:42.08 | Justin | I wonder if there are some kernel options for tweaking the scanning delays or something.. |
| 13:42.10 | greycat | (Thank you both for what I've got so far, though!) |
| 13:42.41 | Justin | or maybe if the device is not needed to boot, you could just add an init script to rescan for you |
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| 13:43.50 | greycat | It looks like the package already added one. /etc/rcS.d/S22scsitools.sh (which is before S35mountall.sh -- which is good, I think) |
| 13:44.15 | poisonbit | parm: inq_timeout:Timeout (in seconds) waiting for devices to answer INQUIRY. (?) |
| 13:44.40 | poisonbit | lsmod | awk '/scsi/{print $1}' | xargs modinfo | more |
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| 13:44.57 | greycat | reads it to see what it does... |
| 13:45.01 | poisonbit | if it's not needed for boot, rc.local may do it |
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| 13:45.50 | greycat | The disks are supposed to be found before /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh so rc.local would be too late |
| 13:46.28 | WilsonJr | Hello all |
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| 13:49.06 | thewanderer1 | hey, is it bad if "free -m" reports 6.5G in "buffers" column? |
| 13:49.22 | greycat | Looks like the script only runs the full rescan when it's invoked with "restart", not with "start"... but then there's another script too, S09scsitools-pre.sh ... now I need to read that one.... |
| 13:49.34 | Justin | thewanderer1: how much ram do you have? |
| 13:49.34 | greycat | !free ram |
| 13:49.34 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 13:50.14 | thewanderer1 | Justin: 8G |
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| 13:50.25 | poisonbit | thewanderer1, it's good, unless you have you cpu with "wa"inting percent on top |
| 13:50.35 | poisonbit | waiting |
| 13:50.41 | thewanderer1 | I just thought it should be in cache, not in the buffers O.o |
| 13:50.57 | poisonbit | you don't manage where it should be |
| 13:51.00 | MrFrood | 640K shouldd be enough for anybody :P |
| 13:51.15 | greycat | I don't actually know what the difference between cache and buffers is. |
| 13:51.36 | nevyn | cache is disk cache. |
| 13:51.39 | thewanderer1 | all evidence seems to claim that buffers is pending I/O... |
| 13:51.50 | greycat | Is the system performing badly? |
| 13:51.56 | thewanderer1 | no, it's fast as hell |
| 13:52.01 | nevyn | buffers are pending io including nics etc. |
| 13:52.08 | greycat | Then I don't see a reason to start poking things... |
| 13:52.26 | thewanderer1 | it's just that I wouldn't necessarily want 6.5G of data to be hanging there in the air, waiting for a power failure O.o |
| 13:52.30 | nevyn | wishes linux didn't report buffer/cache as used. |
| 13:52.41 | homie | farther than registers but closer than disk (to cpu), that's cache |
| 13:52.46 | homie | lol |
| 13:53.55 | abrotman | thewanderer1: roughly, cached files |
| 13:54.00 | abrotman | AIUI |
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| 13:54.24 | thewanderer1 | woot, looks like buffers also include mmap()ped files... |
| 13:54.43 | abrotman | thewanderer1: if the system needs more RAM for an operation, it will decrease the amount of buffer space |
| 13:54.52 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I know that |
| 13:54.56 | abrotman | think of it like a RAM drive (awful analogy perhaps) |
| 13:55.09 | thewanderer1 | trying to understand the difference between buffers & cache |
| 13:55.30 | thewanderer1 | looks like 8.3G of my buffers is really cache for mmap, though :P |
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| 13:56.30 | greycat | enables bootlogd and reboots to see what happens. |
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| 14:05.31 | Nu^253r | wb |
| 14:05.41 | Nu^253r | sorry :D |
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| 14:18.00 | greycat | Well... the reboot did not work. The device for /data5 was missing so it was sitting at "Enter root passwd or press Ctrl-D". |
| 14:18.49 | greycat | The S22whatever script does not suffice to find the devices. My first attempt to add a rescan to it (controlled by a variable set in /etc/default/rcS) also failed, because of other stupidities in the script -- the whole "start" block is skipped if there is no /dev/scsi* in fstab! |
| 14:19.09 | greycat | So my second attempt was to add an S23force-scsi-rescan script. But THIS also failed. |
| 14:19.29 | greycat | Tue Jul 5 10:15:06 2011: /sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh: line 476: seq: command not found |
| 14:19.45 | abrotman | well, that shouldn't be awful to fix |
| 14:19.53 | greycat | Bloody stupid programmers... using seq(1) is bad enough, but using /usr/bin/seq in a script from /sbin ... jesus. |
| 14:19.53 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's not your script |
| 14:20.16 | greycat | It also failed to find head, tail and pr. |
| 14:20.48 | jokar | bye all |
| 14:20.56 | jokar | thank you very much |
| 14:21.00 | jokar | ;) |
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| 14:21.08 | abrotman | greycat: filing some bugs today? |
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| 14:23.51 | greycat | It's not a trivial fix. |
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| 14:26.05 | greycat | Christ... how am I supposed to run a script that forces a SCSI rescan before /usr is mounted, if the script requires tools from /usr? |
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| 14:26.59 | abrotman | busybox ? |
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| 14:27.46 | greycat | hmm... interesting. but it doesn't have pr(1). |
| 14:28.01 | greycat | then again, I don't think the use of pr in this script is actually important. |
| 14:28.32 | abrotman | yeah, i'm confused why it would use it at all |
| 14:28.39 | Dassu | Is it normal that javascript is ~8 time slower in iceweasel than in chromium? I'm on squeeze |
| 14:28.42 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.09 | greycat | Far as I can tell, it is for reporting stuff to the human operator only, not for parsing information. |
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| 14:29.30 | abrotman | that seems a bit silly |
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| 14:32.35 | wols | Dassu: yes. chromium has a Javascript JIT compiler, while it took mozilla up to version 4 to increase Javascript speed |
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| 14:34.19 | joe6 | what is the preferred torrent client for debian? |
| 14:34.31 | bzed | joe6: whatever you like :) |
| 14:34.35 | bzed | give them a try ;) |
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| 14:34.40 | joe6 | bzed, what do you use? |
| 14:34.43 | greycat | "Preferred" means preferred by you, not by your vendor. |
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| 14:34.53 | bzed | rtorrent is what I prefer |
| 14:34.57 | joe6 | what is preferred by the folks here? |
| 14:35.14 | Sazpaimon | is there any Apple Prores decoder for 64 bit? |
| 14:35.23 | joe6 | mplayer is preferred by most users here to vlc. I tried mplayer and I kinda like it. |
| 14:35.39 | joe6 | let me check out rtorrent. |
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| 14:35.44 | joe6 | bzed, thanks. |
| 14:36.20 | jelly | joe6: what's wrong with vlc? |
| 14:36.32 | joe6 | jelly, nothing. it is awesome. |
| 14:36.40 | Bravo_ | hi is there a way to change a resolution when I use debian without xorg? |
| 14:36.41 | joe6 | jelly, mplayer seems simpler. |
| 14:36.55 | joe6 | and, vlc works where mplayer doesn't |
| 14:36.59 | jelly | yes, the absence of a GUI by default can do that |
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| 14:37.37 | joe6 | i use both, but, I try to use mplayer as my first choice.. |
| 14:38.41 | MrFrood | !tell Bravo_ about fbcon |
| 14:39.05 | niklaswe | can i check out a part of an git repo. ? |
| 14:39.35 | niklaswe | say that i have 3 direcotry in my git repo.. and i only want to check out one off the direcotry.. |
| 14:39.39 | niklaswe | can i do that? |
| 14:39.51 | boudiccas | Sazpaimon; what is a 'apple prores decoder' please? |
| 14:40.13 | twobitsprite | joe6: if you're just wanting to know which torrent client is used most, you can check popcon |
| 14:40.46 | twobitsprite | niklaswe: you should be able to add the directory to the git path, iirc... |
| 14:41.03 | twobitsprite | or am I thinking darcs? |
| 14:41.23 | Sazpaimon | boudiccas, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProRes_422 |
| 14:41.35 | Sazpaimon | it's a high quality codec for video production |
| 14:41.49 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks for that |
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| 14:42.03 | Sazpaimon | apparently there's a 32 bit codec that mplayer can use, but I'm on 64 bit |
| 14:42.26 | Sazpaimon | can I compile a 32 bit mplayer using dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 14:43.16 | greycat | Tue Jul 5 10:40:39 2011: seq: applet not found |
| 14:43.21 | greycat | what... the hell... is THAT? |
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| 14:43.34 | syslq | what |
| 14:43.39 | joe6 | twobitsprite: popcon, will check that out. Thanks. |
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| 14:45.02 | greycat | The man page lied to me. |
| 14:45.13 | greycat | It said busybox has a seq command, but it doesn't. |
| 14:45.35 | greycat | arc1:~# busybox seq 0 7 |
| 14:45.35 | greycat | seq: applet not found |
| 14:45.49 | manchot | Invalid htree directory inode clear HTree -- so the invalid file/dir will be deleted? |
| 14:45.52 | manchot | what is htree? |
| 14:46.21 | winter | o/ |
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| 14:46.41 | twobitsprite | greycat: my man page doesn't say anything about seq |
| 14:46.49 | greycat | This is on Lenny. |
| 14:46.51 | twobitsprite | greycat: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:46.53 | twobitsprite | ohh |
| 14:47.06 | wols | manchot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Htree a filesystem structure in this case |
| 14:47.10 | greycat | yeah, no "seq" in the squeeze man busybox |
| 14:48.52 | manchot | wols, fsck and Htree is cleared. |
| 14:49.06 | manchot | and I noticed some files are missing |
| 14:49.13 | greycat | check in lost+found |
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| 14:56.30 | greycat | ... FUCK! |
| 14:56.34 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.53 | greycat | no way I can mimic *that* in busybox or in hand-rolled sh functions. |
| 14:58.20 | abrotman | can you just uh .. copy it? |
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| 14:58.46 | greycat | this is starting to get way out of hand. I need to find something that doesn't involve rewiring the entire boot process. |
| 14:59.12 | abrotman | like reinstalling sarge .. backing the data up, switching to swraid? |
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| 15:00.03 | greycat | The RAID cabinets are self-contained units. They have their own power supplies, SATA controllers (16 of 'em), SCSI HBA interface, etc. |
| 15:00.24 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 15:00.28 | petemc | do you need to rescan everytime? can you not just echo the values into /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 15:00.51 | greycat | I need the device to *appear* to the operating system at boot time so I can mount the file system that's on it. |
| 15:01.09 | greycat | Rescanning is the only way I have found so far to make the kernel aware that there is a device there, at all. |
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| 15:03.33 | greycat | Ah, hmm, it's actually S30checkfs.sh where it blows up due to not having the device that's listed in fstba. |
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| 15:03.59 | greycat | So... if I simply mount /usr and then do the rescan... in S29.... |
| 15:04.50 | jelly | what /proc/scsi, this aint 2.4 |
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| 15:06.32 | jelly | why does the device not appear on time? |
| 15:06.40 | greycat | Because god hates me. |
| 15:07.06 | jelly | or hw vendor |
| 15:07.31 | greycat | Or Linux. |
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| 15:08.49 | petemc | jelly: ah, shows what i know! |
| 15:09.14 | greycat | There is a /proc/scsi/scsi but I treat it as human-readable info only. I don't know what else it does. |
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| 15:13.24 | greycat | OK, is it sane to do fsck -a /usr && mount -n -r /usr && /sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh -w in S29foo right before S30checkfs? |
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| 15:15.53 | greycat | I'll take that as a "nobody knows, try it and see". |
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| 15:31.38 | greycat | Three tries later, I think I got it. I had to set PATH to include /usr/bin even though it wasn't mounted yet, so that it would be inherited by rescan-foo. And I had to *umount* /usr after the rescan, so that the subsequent S30checkfs doesn't bard. |
| 15:31.42 | greycat | barf* |
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| 15:32.58 | Iridos | what I wondered... the rescanning thing is a workaround. if that is an old problem, could there be a fix around? |
| 15:33.10 | greycat | If you know a better fix, I'd be delighted to hear it. |
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| 15:33.45 | Iridos | I mean a kind of official fix for whatever fails to detect the hardware in the first place |
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| 15:34.08 | greycat | It's a "new" problem in that the old machine running Debian 3.1 stopped working correctly, so we bought a new machine, installed squeeze on it, watched it blow chunks, installed lenny, watched it NOT find the SATA controllers, then finally installed kmuto lenny + 2.6.28 and watched it find 5/6 of the devices. |
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| 15:34.37 | onosendai | D4rKr0W: stasera, nea. |
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| 15:34.46 | Iridos | aww, one of them things |
| 15:34.46 | onosendai | arrivederci |
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| 15:39.07 | neodragon | hello all finally making the switch to debian, just had a minor question, does debian 6 have xfce4.6 yet and does it work well with compiz-fusion? I've had mixed results on ther distros when installing xfce/compiz |
| 15:39.31 | neodragon | * I meant xfce 4.8 |
| 15:39.40 | wols | ,versions xfce4 |
| 15:39.41 | judd | Package xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.2 |
| 15:40.14 | wols | so no xfce 4.8 but compiz is very old and supported by every distro under the sun basically |
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| 15:41.49 | stew | xfce 4.8 looks like it came out 4 months after squeeze was frozen, so there was never really a chance for it to make squeeze |
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| 15:43.08 | neodragon | I was thinking of installing KDE 4 on debian, I like the way it looks and handles, but I don't use any Qt apps only GTK ones so I figured I would stick with my old friend xfce |
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| 15:46.28 | greycat | compiz is "very old"? |
| 15:46.43 | neodragon | what is the debian off topic irc channel |
| 15:46.59 | stew | #debian-offtopic |
| 15:47.19 | neodragon | ha ha did I peg that one or what |
| 15:47.45 | neodragon | thanks for the help |
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| 15:48.37 | greycat | I suspect my interpretation of "very old" may be a minority opinion. |
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| 15:50.19 | neodragon | one last thing, I am a C, C++, Java, Python programmer and I have been looking to get involved with an open source project like Debian, problem is I have no clue where to get started, any suggestions? |
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| 15:51.12 | scampbell | How can I make a raid partition (on debian squeeze) that is sitting in "RESYNC PENDING" to actually start resyncing? |
| 15:51.48 | acemi | http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
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| 15:53.27 | neodragon | acemi: thanks for the link |
| 15:54.07 | acemi | neodragon: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/30/how-to-start-contributing-to-debian/ |
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| 15:54.53 | azonenberg | Hi guys |
| 15:54.58 | neodragon | acemi: cool thanks again |
| 15:55.06 | acemi | np |
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| 15:55.32 | azonenberg | I'm running kernel 2.6.32 on squeeze atm but need support for some hardware that was introduced in a later kernel |
| 15:55.51 | azonenberg | But i can't use .39 because some of their changes broke other drivers i use |
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| 15:56.05 | azonenberg | Why is the .38 linux-source package 404ing on every mirror i try? |
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| 15:56.30 | wols | azonenberg: cause it's probably been superceded by .39? |
| 15:56.33 | stew | azonenberg: because it wass replaced by .39 |
| 15:56.37 | neodragon | catch ya later and thanks again |
| 15:56.44 | azonenberg | So if i need something older than 39 how do i get that? |
| 15:57.02 | greycat | 2.6.32 should still be present. Or you could build upstream sources. |
| 15:57.02 | azonenberg | On ubuntu the driver i need was backported to .32 but in straight debian it hasnt been |
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| 15:57.12 | azonenberg | I need something between 32 and 39 |
| 15:57.12 | greycat | Or you could use the Ubuntu kernel image. |
| 15:57.28 | azonenberg | I could... |
| 15:59.16 | azonenberg | I'd rather not use the ubuntu patches (or revert them) but i suppose i can try just to see if it works |
| 15:59.27 | azonenberg | The trouble is that my (fairly recent) laptop sound card is supported in older kernels |
| 15:59.35 | azonenberg | But it doesn't mute the speakers when you plug in headphones |
| 16:00.01 | greycat | Installing the ubuntu image and then attempting to boot it shouldn't hurt anything, so long as you retain your other image(s) and can boot back to one of them if need be. |
| 16:00.06 | azonenberg | Yeah |
| 16:00.24 | azonenberg | Its just a pain because i have a couple of binary drivers (nvidia and vmware) that need recompiling each time i switch kernels |
| 16:00.47 | stew | you could compile a newer alsa with an older kernel |
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| 16:01.21 | azonenberg | Hmm, might have to try that |
| 16:01.53 | stew | dpkg: new alsa |
| 16:01.53 | dpkg | To compile newer <ALSA> drivers for your running kernel (not applicable to Lenny/2.6.26): first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your ALSA drivers. |
| 16:02.09 | stew | azonenberg: what does "cat /proc/asound/version" say now? |
| 16:02.31 | azonenberg | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.21 |
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| 16:02.41 | stew | yeah, this would get you to .23 |
| 16:02.42 | azonenberg | this is on squeeze plus the latest alsa-firmware package installed from source |
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| 16:04.49 | greycat | "not applicable to Lenny/2.6.26" -- then what *does* it apply to?> |
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| 16:05.10 | azonenberg | stew: re "reload alsa drivers", how is that done without reloading? |
| 16:05.13 | azonenberg | rebooting* |
| 16:05.23 | greycat | rmmod and modprobe, I'd guess. |
| 16:05.23 | azonenberg | rmmod + modprobe? if so, of what? |
| 16:05.31 | greycat | of anything with snd in it. |
| 16:05.43 | azonenberg | Oh joy, soudns like that'd take a while |
| 16:05.49 | azonenberg | Maybe i should just reboot, i dont have anything else open |
| 16:06.03 | azonenberg | and this rig boots fast |
| 16:06.03 | greycat | reboot-testing is generally wise anyway |
| 16:06.23 | azonenberg | waits for alsa to finish compiling |
| 16:06.34 | azonenberg | Why is -j (number of cores) not the default in make? |
| 16:06.47 | azonenberg | here i am pegging one core building alsa-source while the rest are idle |
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| 16:06.55 | azonenberg | on a quad core hyperthreaded i7 with 16GB ram |
| 16:07.06 | azonenberg | i do my kernel builds at -j16 |
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| 16:07.54 | greycat | you could put exec /usr/bin/make -j "$@" in /usr/local/bin/make |
| 16:08.20 | greycat | (with shebang, and make sure /usr/local/bin precedes /usr/bin in PATH) |
| 16:08.58 | azonenberg | greycat: well pure -j is a bad idea, i've seen apps with hundreds of source files that would go very badly if built with no limit on process count :P |
| 16:09.18 | azonenberg | i've used well over 16gb ram on high-end servers when -j50'ing big projects like VTK |
| 16:09.34 | azonenberg | But i like the idea, i might have to try that some time |
| 16:09.40 | Seb | greycat: wow, you're still here ? I feel like I haven't seen you around for many years now :) |
| 16:09.44 | azonenberg | Also, distcc is going to be a must once i get my server cluster back online |
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| 16:10.12 | greycat | I don't show up here regularly any more. |
| 16:10.38 | greycat | azonenberg: well, then you have your answer as to why -j is not the default |
| 16:10.40 | Seb | greycat: I see; you certainly were a regular back in 2002-2003 or something heh |
| 16:10.55 | azonenberg | greycat: -j hsould not be default |
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| 16:11.02 | azonenberg | but -jN where N is the core count? |
| 16:11.06 | greycat | 12:06 azonenberg> Why is -j (number of cores) not the default in make? |
| 16:11.23 | greycat | *shrug* whatever... |
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| 16:11.27 | azonenberg | $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | wc -l |
| 16:11.27 | azonenberg | 2 |
| 16:11.31 | azonenberg | easy enough to do |
| 16:11.49 | greycat | ITYM grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:11.50 | azonenberg | stew: works now, thx |
| 16:12.18 | azonenberg | One more nail in the coffin of ubuntu :P |
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| 16:12.43 | azonenberg | I knew i'd be leaving for a while but hadn't had the time to put the extra effort into setting up a non-handholding distro like debian |
| 16:12.50 | stew | i wonder what -j0 does |
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| 16:13.00 | azonenberg | especially on recent laptop hardware, which is pretty much the worst supported :P |
| 16:13.12 | azonenberg | Though i'll be fair, system76 does pick stuff that has good support in ubuntu |
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| 16:14.28 | azonenberg | removes old custom kernel that didn't fix the problem |
| 16:14.36 | greycat | well, if you want to do that, you could put exec /usr/bin/make -j$(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo) "$@" in /usr/local/bin/make |
| 16:14.55 | azonenberg | greycat: w/e, doenst really matter that much |
| 16:15.05 | azonenberg | most of the time i'm doing a large compile it's done by hand rather than a script |
| 16:15.05 | greycat | I take no responsibility for any problems it may cause. |
| 16:15.07 | stew | and when /proc/cpuinfo doesn't exist, you get a suprise |
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| 16:15.14 | azonenberg | stew: And when would that be? |
| 16:15.32 | azonenberg | The odds of the one machine i'd deploy this on suddenly deciding to umount /proc are low |
| 16:15.34 | stew | azonenberg: -j without a number |
| 16:16.01 | stew | azonenberg: your suggested version would result in -j0 which I wonder about |
| 16:16.33 | greycat | I think we can safely assume both versions would exhibit undesired behavior if /proc/cpuinfo is not available |
| 16:16.38 | azonenberg | man make's |
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| 16:17.22 | azonenberg | make -j0 gives the manpage for make |
| 16:17.25 | azonenberg | implying its an illegal argument |
| 16:17.51 | azonenberg | Better than going into swap (maybe) but still doesnt work |
| 16:18.01 | greycat | make: the `-j' option requires a positive integral argument |
| 16:18.03 | azonenberg | Still, i consider procfs pretty much a necessity on any production system |
| 16:18.39 | azonenberg | if it's missing, thats a problem that needs to be fixed before worrying about much else |
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| 16:19.00 | greycat | (you could also check it in /usr/local/bin/make before execing...) |
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| 16:20.31 | gusto | i like the debian fluxbox theme, i just switched from xfce4 to fluxbox |
| 16:20.40 | bps | does make come with specific debian patches |
| 16:20.48 | gusto | i dont think so |
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| 16:21.03 | bps | i dont think think it can expect procfs then |
| 16:21.12 | gusto | but it is GNU make, thats the only one thing you have to be careful about so thet is different from the BSD make |
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| 16:22.02 | stew | bps: he's proposing that it should be changed to use procfs |
| 16:22.36 | greycat | He's proposing that it should somehow be able to determine what -jN setting to use "by default". |
| 16:23.09 | azonenberg | greycat: At least have a .makerc file or equivalent |
| 16:23.11 | amartin | Hi everybody. I'm thinking of buying an external blu-ray LG BE12LU30. Does anybody knows if this is going to worke well on debian? |
| 16:23.15 | azonenberg | that lets me specify a system-wide default |
| 16:23.21 | azonenberg | when i make |
| 16:23.43 | stew | azonenberg: create /usr/local/bin/make which does what you want |
| 16:24.12 | greycat | We've already written it for you. ;-) |
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| 16:26.53 | jelly-home | amartin: do blu-ray devices work well on Linux _at all_? |
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| 16:29.13 | amartin | jelly-home, I've tried to search google but all that I've found out is that there are problem with bluray under linux and windows as well. I just want external blu-ray to backup my data and looking if I can burn my data with k3b for example |
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| 16:47.26 | jhutchins_lt | amartin: I found a wealth of information on the subject icnluding this: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
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| 16:47.50 | jhutchins_lt | amartin: My search terms were simply "linux blu-ray". |
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| 16:55.15 | amartin | jhutchins_lt, Thanks, but I don't know if the model I'm after is supported. The only thing that says "yes" is that lots of blu-rays is supported, the problem is with playing movies. I don't need to play movies, just burn my data |
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| 16:56.47 | greycat | Keep the receipt. |
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| 16:56.56 | UukGoblin | is LaMont around? :-) http://www.isc.org/software/bind/advisories/cve-2011-2464 |
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| 16:57.32 | rudi_ | hey guys, i am having issues on debian 6 with saned, i am sharing the scanner, it is detected on other pc's but on attempt to scan it says Invalid argument |
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| 16:59.13 | PhoenixSTF | rudi_ is now PhoenixSTF |
| 16:59.38 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: try scanimage -L and supply the right name |
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| 17:00.20 | PhoenixSTF | device `net:192.168.1.1:brother2:bus4;dev1' is a Brother DCP-150C USB scanner |
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| 17:00.38 | PhoenixSTF | his is on my ubuntu desktop machine |
| 17:01.07 | PhoenixSTF | on my debian server - device `brother2:bus4;dev1' is a Brother DCP-150C USB scanne |
| 17:01.37 | PhoenixSTF | it scans on debian with scanimage > image.ppn |
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| 17:02.31 | PhoenixSTF | on ubuntu desktop - open of device net:192.168.1.1:brother2:bus4;dev1 failed: Invalid argument |
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| 17:04.03 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: try scanimage --help -d net:192.168.1.1:brother2:bus4 |
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| 17:05.14 | PhoenixSTF | dawud list of available devices |
| 17:05.26 | PhoenixSTF | net:192.168.1.1:brother2:bus4;dev1 |
| 17:05.45 | PhoenixSTF | scanimage: open of device DEVICE failed: Invalid argument |
| 17:06.19 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: neither does scanimage --help -d net:192.168.1.1:brother2:bus4;dev1 works? |
| 17:06.36 | PhoenixSTF | nop |
| 17:07.18 | PhoenixSTF | i followed this link http://penguin-breeder.org/sane/saned/ |
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| 17:07.48 | PhoenixSTF | but on xinetd i made on /etc/xinetd.d/sane file with the config |
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| 17:10.04 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: mmm, check with lsusb which bus and device matches your scanner and check the permissions there, e.g. /dev/bus/usb/004/001 |
| 17:10.26 | ayiste | How to mount a CDROM in Debian as a user? I'm trying udisks --mount /dev/cdrom, but it tells me I do not have permissions to do it. I'm in the cdrom and plugdev groups, and I think that KDE mounts the CD ROM just fine |
| 17:10.40 | PhoenixSTF | Bus 003 Device 003: ID 04f9:01cf Brother Industries, Ltd DCP-150C |
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| 17:11.21 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: ls -lrt /dev/bus/usb/003/003 |
| 17:12.18 | PhoenixSTF | crw-rw-r-- 1 root lp 189, 258 Jul 5 17:49 /dev/bus/usb/003/003 |
| 17:12.40 | PhoenixSTF | ok seems like permitions |
| 17:12.59 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: chmod o+w /dev/bus/usb/003/003 and re-try scanimage --hel -d that device |
| 17:13.00 | PhoenixSTF | right? |
| 17:13.04 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: chmod o+w /dev/bus/usb/003/003 and re-try scanimage --help -d that device |
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| 17:14.13 | daemon | hey all I keep trying to modprove sshfs but keep hitting a problem |
| 17:14.16 | PhoenixSTF | dawud it is working |
| 17:14.22 | PhoenixSTF | ty very mutch |
| 17:14.27 | daemon | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-238.9.1.el5.028stab089.1/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 17:14.38 | daemon | do I need to do something special |
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| 17:14.43 | PhoenixSTF | one more thing to learn, usb perm |
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| 17:15.21 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: it will stop working on restart, you need to check the relevant udev rule under /etc/udev/rules.d/xx-your_device |
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| 17:16.08 | jhutchins_lt | daemon: run depmod as root. |
| 17:16.10 | PhoenixSTF | dawud, i have 70-persistent-net.rules z60_hdparm.rules |
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| 17:16.29 | daemon | jhutchins |
| 17:16.30 | daemon | WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-238.9.1.el5.028stab089.1: No such file or directory |
| 17:16.30 | daemon | FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-238.9.1.el5.028stab089.1/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory |
| 17:16.36 | daemon | err jhutchins_lt even |
| 17:16.41 | daemon | I am root |
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| 17:16.55 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: ok, there must be something under /etc/udev, then |
| 17:16.58 | jhutchins_lt | daemon: Wonderful. Run depmod |
| 17:17.10 | wols | daemon: you are inside a VPS and you have no way to load any kernel module, ever. simply put: you cannot use sshfs |
| 17:17.16 | daemon | jhutchins_lt, I just did I gave the output above |
| 17:17.33 | daemon | wonderful |
| 17:17.34 | daemon | ... |
| 17:17.41 | daemon | knew I should have stuck with rootbsd |
| 17:17.42 | stew | daemon: so this is some kind of virtualized environment and that kernel you are talking about is a redhat kernel running on the host |
| 17:17.51 | LostJoe | hello I installed debian squeeze, with option: minimal modules loaded during boot. The problem is: I do not have an eth0 available. (my network card is supported, worked fine in ubuntu) Can someone help me setting the network card up and running on debian? |
| 17:18.06 | jhutchins_lt | daemon: Perhaps. Why are we working with a .18 kernel here? What release are you on? |
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| 17:18.08 | wols | !tell LostJoe about firmware |
| 17:18.08 | PhoenixSTF | dawud nothing specific to a dev or usb, only hdparm |
| 17:18.08 | stew | daemon: you should be running modprobe in the host redhat system, not in the virtualized debian system |
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| 17:18.37 | jhutchins_lt | daemon: Yeah, that's the redhat module it's looking for. |
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| 17:18.52 | wols | LostJoe: basically: install the non-free firmware and it will run (usually) |
| 17:18.56 | daemon | stew, nah its just some cheap virtualized server with XYZ I was trying instead of rootbsd; I aint chasing the admins for something so meagre I will just revert to my other provider |
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| 17:19.07 | LostJoe | wols: that is nice, and I am aware of that, but I am not talking about wifi, but fixed connection first, wifi later |
| 17:19.29 | angel_of_light | when I have gone through all the pain of creating a virtual machine with virt-manager and the setup breaks at the end because of network-connection problems, all the stuff I have set up is gone, isn't it? |
| 17:19.42 | wols | LostJoe: and yes I am talking about fixed ethernet too. let me guess: broadcom network? they are the usual ones. other more likley have free firmware |
| 17:19.43 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: maybe you can find out more info by unplugging and plugging your usb scanner while you tail -f /var/log/messages |
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| 17:19.59 | ujjain | What is chmod g+wx? I get the +write +execute. |
| 17:20.07 | wols | ujjain: group |
| 17:20.21 | ujjain | ahh, |
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| 17:21.52 | daemon | stew, actually thinking about it are there any userland drivers that will be availible for lightweight network sharin |
| 17:21.53 | daemon | g |
| 17:21.58 | daemon | prefferable unencrypted |
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| 17:22.08 | LostJoe | wols: how can I see which manufacturer |
| 17:22.19 | wols | LostJoe: lspci -nn|grep -i net |
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| 17:22.36 | PhoenixSTF | dawud, ok m8 thanks a million |
| 17:22.45 | PhoenixSTF | dawud, xD |
| 17:22.53 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: np |
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| 17:23.10 | LostJoe | ethernet controller realtek semiconductor |
| 17:23.21 | LostJoe | RTL8102E PCI |
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| 17:23.43 | stew | daemon: what specifically are you tyring to do |
| 17:23.44 | stew | ? |
| 17:23.50 | wols | some of realteks need firmware, some don't. read what dpkg long ago messaged you |
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| 17:24.00 | PhoenixSTF | dawud configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 17:24.02 | PhoenixSTF | lol |
| 17:24.13 | LostJoe | RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express fast ethernet controller |
| 17:24.14 | daemon | stew, oh I have several servers worldwise they all connect via VPN to a server at my home; |
| 17:24.37 | daemon | stew, generally I use samba so I can share certain things from the servers on a gateway on the local system |
| 17:24.43 | daemon | and nfs on the lan its self |
| 17:24.49 | wols | LostJoe: have you read what dpkg messaged you? |
| 17:25.20 | m8 | Phenox_, np! |
| 17:25.56 | carnedepassaro | I have installed the package dellomsa on a Debian Lenny server, and I have the web access, but I can't see the physical disks and virtual disks on my RAID configuration |
| 17:26.03 | PhoenixSTF | dawud yes it whent back without permitions |
| 17:26.25 | carnedepassaro | but if I use megacli or megaraidsas-status I see it without problems |
| 17:26.41 | LostJoe | wols: I clicked the link dpkg gave me, but it speaks of a list, but when I click on that one, it isn't a list : in short I am lost |
| 17:28.29 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: so you need to find out how the /dev/bus/usb/003/003 is generated, and fix it (usually udev rule) |
| 17:28.33 | wols | LostJoe: as I said: non-free firmware which doesn't abide by DFSG. so you need non-free. then apt-cache search firmware |grep firmware and you should see lots of hits. if you have no network access at all on that box, use packages.debian.org |
| 17:29.02 | PhoenixSTF | dawud, il search ofr it |
| 17:29.08 | PhoenixSTF | dawud thanks one more time |
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| 17:30.09 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: glad to be useful! |
| 17:30.16 | karlpinc | carnedepassaro: What is dellomsa? It does not seem to be a debian package. |
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| 17:30.56 | wols | LostJoe: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all you need the realtek ones most probably if any at all |
| 17:30.58 | stew | karlpinc: it is (iirc) closed source and comes directly from dell, its for managing perc hardware raid controllers |
| 17:31.47 | LostJoe | wols: found the page, but cannot donwload?? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek Where do I click? |
| 17:32.05 | wols | stew: is there a BTS "package" for packages.debian.org or wiki.debian.org? the links from the wiki firmware page all get zero results on pdo. not exactly helpfupl :( |
| 17:32.18 | carnedepassaro | karlpinc: dellomsa is a package from third-party software, it's a set of programs that let you access the Dell Open Manage |
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| 17:32.25 | jhutchins_lt | carnedepassaro: You will probably need to contact dell support. It may be compiled for a different kernel. |
| 17:32.32 | LostJoe | wols: ah found a tar file |
| 17:32.34 | LostJoe | ;) |
| 17:32.38 | wols | LostJoe: "download firmware realtek" and after that there is a link "all" |
| 17:32.44 | wols | not the tar file please! |
| 17:33.03 | wols | when you click on "all" you get a list of mirrors |
| 17:33.07 | carnedepassaro | jhutchins_lt: unfortunately Dell not support Debina |
| 17:33.12 | carnedepassaro | Debian |
| 17:33.23 | stew | wols: use www.debian.org ; for wiki.debian.org, of course, feel free to make corrections, as it is a wiki |
| 17:33.30 | carnedepassaro | officially |
| 17:33.31 | karlpinc | wols: There's a package for debian webmaster, I think. |
| 17:33.42 | stew | carnedepassaro: tell them to make it free software and we'll support it |
| 17:34.34 | karlpinc | carnedepassaro: Or, if you don't have hardware support and a spare controller laying about then use software raid so that if your controller dies you can still get to your data without having to find a compatible hardware controller. |
| 17:35.09 | jhutchins_lt | carnedepassaro: Dell has supported ubuntu in the past... |
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| 17:36.02 | wols | ah. pdo doesn't check non-free at all, so it can never see any firmware :( |
| 17:36.06 | carnedepassaro | karlpinc: I can do the configuration via megacli (proprietary), but I'm trying to have the web access configuration |
| 17:36.25 | stew | wols: uh, it certainly should |
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| 17:36.46 | stew | wols: FE: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sun-java6-jre |
| 17:36.55 | wols | stew: I didn't find anything. I did a check for "java" as well to see which jres it grabs. only openjdk in my results |
| 17:37.32 | stew | wols: "Your keyword was too generic, for optimizing reasons some results might have been suppressed." |
| 17:37.49 | karlpinc | hates that message |
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| 17:38.05 | wols | stew: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bin%2Fjava&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 17:38.23 | carnedepassaro | jhutchins_lt: there are ubuntu packages in it's repository indeed, but I can't see the RAID configuration with these packages |
| 17:38.33 | wols | or: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=java&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 17:38.53 | doxin | i'm looking for maze generation software with the option for directional passages and whatnot, any suggestions? |
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| 17:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | carnedepassaro: Do they offer source packages or just the binaries? |
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| 17:40.43 | carnedepassaro | jhutchins_lt: the packages are here: http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/deb/latest/i386/ but I don't if there are source codes, I guess no |
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| 17:41.00 | stew | wols: yeah, we made a recent change to split out the non-free/contirb Contents files separately (they used to be mixed with all three components in the same Contents file). I'll bet the pdo code hasn't yet been updated to reflect this |
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| 17:42.01 | jhutchins_lt | carnedepassaro: You will have to go to the dell forums for help with this. it is not something the Debian community has any knowledge of except by accident. |
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| 17:42.33 | carnedepassaro | jhutchins_lt: ok, thanks |
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| 17:48.55 | sidro | hi |
| 17:49.22 | sidro | after update of nvidia driver apt remove gvfs |
| 17:49.28 | sidro | i have debian testing |
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| 17:51.44 | sidro | need help |
| 17:52.09 | LostJoe | ok wols I did dpkg -i realtek.deb |
| 17:52.32 | LostJoe | but the eth0 is still not detected , I have to do something else? |
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| 17:53.20 | greycat | sidro: what happens if you try apt-get install gvfs |
| 17:53.57 | sidro | http://pastebin.com/G7UejtFd |
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| 17:55.54 | abrotman | sidro: nvidia is in transition .. you'l lhave to live with nouveau if you can |
| 17:56.40 | sidro | befor update i have nvidia 275 but I don't have problems |
| 17:57.19 | azonenberg | eew nouveau |
| 17:57.25 | azonenberg | Nice idea |
| 17:57.29 | jombo | hello, i've just installed the last version of debian on a huge hard drive, and now i'm thinking about redoing the install on a much smaller space. i would like to know the adequate space required for a debian + fluxbox install (no games or heavy softs, and i have a shared drive for movies, music... however, my /home will stay on the main partition) |
| 17:57.32 | azonenberg | But it'd be helpful if it actually *worked* :p |
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| 17:59.29 | angel_of_light | when I got a virtual disk image, say image.qcow2. How do I format the whole image as swap for my VMs? |
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| 18:01.02 | daemon | Is there any native network mountable process in linux |
| 18:01.18 | daemon | to mount cifs/nfs/curlfs requires /dev entries |
| 18:01.22 | daemon | and im on a VPS |
| 18:01.33 | greycat | ... what? |
| 18:01.58 | daemon | sshfs is based off fuse the same as curlfs so no luck there either |
| 18:02.21 | greycat | "Virtual private server (VPS) is a marketing term used by Internet hosting services to refer to a virtual machine for use exclusively by an individual customer of the service ..." |
| 18:02.34 | greycat | So ... you ... don't have root? Or you don't have Debian? |
| 18:02.47 | Arrowmaster | sounds more like a container than a real VPS |
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| 18:03.33 | daemon | Arrowmaster, openvz I believe |
| 18:03.54 | daemon | debian 5 I think the host kernel is redhat though |
| 18:04.05 | greycat | "OpenVZ allows a physical server to run multiple isolated operating system instances, known as containers, Virtual Private Servers (VPSs), or Virtual Environments (VEs). It is similar to FreeBSD Jails" |
| 18:04.12 | sidro | abrotman, nouveau sucks |
| 18:04.24 | greycat | So run /dev/MAKEDEV? |
| 18:04.39 | daemon | -bash: /dev/MAKEDEV: No such file or directory |
| 18:05.05 | greycat | OK, whatever you have, it isn't Debian. |
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| 18:05.08 | pipeline | daemon: openVZ is a nightmare, get a better hosting provider |
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| 18:05.22 | daemon | pipeline, which one I jhave 5 hosting providers :P |
| 18:05.23 | pipeline | daemon: if you have no money, find someone who will sell you plesk/cpanel. If you have a few more bucks a month, get a Xen/KVM-based provider |
| 18:05.29 | daemon | this is the only one being a bitch |
| 18:05.32 | pipeline | daemon: Virtuozzo is just garbage |
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| 18:05.46 | bdfoster | proxmox is king |
| 18:05.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah go with a provider like linode |
| 18:05.51 | scampbell | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.54 | bdfoster | buahahaha |
| 18:06.07 | daemon | so far I have found rootbsd the best |
| 18:06.16 | daemon | for everything except bandwidth pricing |
| 18:06.20 | greycat | my deb5 and deb6 systems all have /dev/MAKEDEV, but that doesn't mean it can't also be in /sbin |
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| 18:06.42 | daemon | yep |
| 18:06.43 | daemon | root@intovpstest:/etc/init.d# /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 18:06.43 | daemon | root@intovpstest:/etc/init.d# |
| 18:06.47 | daemon | its in sbin |
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| 18:06.57 | scampbell | capiche. I just checked on squeeze and taht's where it on that particular oen. |
| 18:06.58 | greycat | did that give you your missing /dev/* entries? |
| 18:07.34 | daemon | greycat, no it added nothing |
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| 18:08.18 | greycat | maybe you need to cd /dev first |
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| 18:08.26 | Arrowmaster | this is probably an openvz limitation |
| 18:08.33 | daemon | greycat, trying makedev fuse |
| 18:08.38 | daemon | see if I have to specify it |
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| 18:09.14 | angel_of_light | what's the recommended way to assign swapspace to a VM ? |
| 18:09.32 | daemon | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 18:09.34 | daemon | apparently not |
| 18:09.49 | greycat | "Permission denied" is simple to overcome... just change your privileges. |
| 18:09.49 | daemon | sigh damnit I need a low cost bandwidth provider |
| 18:09.57 | greycat | Did you add yourself to the fuse group and logout/back in? |
| 18:10.06 | daemon | rootbsd|rackspace are awesome but for heavy bw usage there both evil |
| 18:10.21 | daemon | greycat, for the sake of argument I chmod 777'd it |
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| 18:12.21 | greycat | ... and? |
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| 18:13.46 | dkr | daemon: use torrents to take advantage of your user's bandwidth. ;) |
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| 18:18.05 | bamccaig | I'm attempting to install a yum repository on a Debian server. I need the yum-groups-manager tool though. I can't seem to find it. Is it not available through Debian's repos? |
| 18:18.34 | bamccaig | s/install/host/ |
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| 18:19.51 | angel_of_light | how do I format image files (like qcow)? |
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| 18:20.37 | greycat | You run whatever virtual machine software is supposed to use it as a disk, then inside it, you use the standard fdisk, mkfs, etc. |
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| 18:21.52 | angel_of_light | greycat, ... I mean no workaround like mounting it inside a VM and formatting it there... there must be some easier way. Like simulating the mkfs tools that the images were actually special device files |
| 18:22.13 | bamccaig | Ah, it seems somebody began packaging yum-utils in 2009 and then it went cold ... D: |
| 18:22.36 | greycat | "easier way"? you have a strange definition of "easier". |
| 18:23.22 | bamccaig | Well it would be easier if you could directly manipulate the image instead of having to start a VM and mount it. :) |
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| 18:23.51 | angel_of_light | ^^ that's what I am talking about :) but how? |
| 18:24.09 | greycat | See? It's not easier, is it. |
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| 18:24.45 | angel_of_light | lol? Of course it is easier to be able to do it directly than booting up a whole OS inside a VM for this... |
| 18:25.16 | greycat | Clearly it's not, because you have no tool to do that. So you're saying that it WOULD BE easier if some such magical tool existed all pre-written and debugged for you. |
| 18:26.03 | angel_of_light | greycat, that's why I love Debian :) most of the times exactly that is the case |
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| 18:26.34 | angel_of_light | hundreds of thousands of packages of great software |
| 18:26.49 | greycat | You might try asking one of the VM software channels if they have such a tool. |
| 18:26.59 | stew | hundreds of thousands? |
| 18:27.06 | angel_of_light | stew, yes |
| 18:27.12 | greycat | Or you might simply do the thing you already KNOW how to do. |
| 18:27.15 | angel_of_light | greycat, what channel? |
| 18:27.26 | greycat | Whatever VM software you're using! |
| 18:27.36 | stew | hundreds of thousands of packages must have been added since I checked on friday :) |
| 18:27.38 | greycat | qcow, you said. that's Xen/QEMU, right? |
| 18:27.53 | angel_of_light | greycat, yes, I use KVM with qemu |
| 18:28.01 | greycat | Then ask them. |
| 18:28.18 | angel_of_light | greycat, they are all afk at #qemu |
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| 18:31.29 | arcsky | hello i wonder how i can do release and renew with ifconfig or dhclient3 or something like that |
| 18:31.45 | greycat | ifdown; ifup |
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| 18:32.04 | stew | i don't believe that actually does a release |
| 18:32.28 | v_v_vishnevskiy | http://goo.gl/gQeE0 |
| 18:32.48 | greycat | *shrug* Whatever. I've never heard of any justifiable reason for someone to ask how to change their IP address. They're always ban-evading or similar. |
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| 18:36.13 | Iridos | well, ban-evasion might be a "justifiable reason" if you set your fail2ban config to 2 days instead of 2 minutes |
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| 18:39.39 | angel_of_light | I am trying to install a Windows guest in a KVM using virt-manager. For the virtual disk I chose as "Storage Format" qcow2 and as "Disk Bus" Virtio. When I want to run the Windows installation it tells me "Setup did not find any hard disk drives installed in your computer.\n\n Make sure any hard disk drives are powered on [...]". Any idea? |
| 18:40.08 | tharkun | #kvm |
| 18:40.26 | angel_of_light | tharkun, ok |
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| 18:44.23 | bamccaig | installed yum-utils from source. |
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| 18:47.11 | iiiii | if it is windows xp install ive had that issue when i choose sata instead of ide.. but i do not know KVM |
| 18:48.25 | jelly-home | angel_of_light: do you have vrtio drivers for your windows version? |
| 18:48.29 | jelly-home | virtio* |
| 18:48.38 | angel_of_light | jelly-home, no |
| 18:48.39 | valdyn | angel_of_light: virtio needs support from the windows side |
| 18:48.45 | jelly-home | angel_of_light: well then |
| 18:49.09 | angel_of_light | k |
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| 18:54.08 | scampbell | angel_of_light: you might care to just choose ide as your bus choice although virt is actually faster.. it does need support on the guest side. |
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| 18:57.57 | especially-corn | i have this weird xorg (?) but, if i move the mouse really fast in the lower-right corner the whole system freezez and the cpu usage goes up from 4% to about 50% |
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| 19:10.07 | bool | Hi, is there a pdf-browser plugin other then adobe reader? |
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| 19:14.23 | pipeline | gphoto2 --autodetect lists my camera, but f-spot doesn't detect it. Any ideas ? |
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| 19:20.41 | mark76 | Xfce4-session doesn't restart or shutdown |
| 19:21.09 | totte | In order for a headless server with Debian 6.0 behind a router to get a DHCP IP adress assigned from the router, does it suffice with isc-dhcp-cient, isc-dhcp-common and putting auto eth0/iface eth0 inet dhcp in /etc/networks/interfaces? |
| 19:21.16 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 19:21.41 | totte | It doesn't seem like it's able to get an IP adress... nor does the router detect the device. |
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| 19:22.03 | greycat | Make sure the cables are attached correctly? |
| 19:22.21 | greycat | Enable bootlogd and check /var/log/boot |
| 19:22.28 | totte | The cables are intact and connected as they should be. |
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| 19:25.29 | mark76 | Clicking on either Restart or Shut Down just logs me out of the session |
| 19:25.34 | totte | bootlogd, I'll check that, thanks. |
| 19:25.55 | totte | greycat, I'll check that, thanks. |
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| 19:28.22 | scampbell | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.52 | scampbell | mark76: Wouldn't it be nice if they all used the same standard to ask for shutdown/reboot... ah well. |
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| 19:29.40 | mark76 | I'm using GDM |
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| 19:31.42 | SpeedyG | hm, anyone know why I'm getting this error: E: Release file expired, ignoring http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/Release (invalid since 4h 46min 29s) |
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| 19:32.36 | mark76 | I downgraded Xfce4 back to .6. Could that be why? |
| 19:32.37 | [sr] | howdy |
| 19:32.57 | [sr] | which files handles the log rotation for the apache2 package, anyone knows? |
| 19:33.16 | Justin | [sr]: /etc/logrotate.d/ |
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| 19:33.53 | mark76 | Let's see if I can shut down from the terminal |
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| 19:34.12 | [sr] | Justin: thanks, it's not rotating the logs, where should i start for debuging? |
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| 19:35.06 | Justin | [sr]: did you create your own custom logfiles that do not match the existing logrotate pattern? |
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| 19:35.29 | [sr] | Justin: didn't touched anything.. |
| 19:35.43 | [sr] | Justin: but wait, i'm seeing it has week on the 2nd line... hum |
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| 19:36.31 | [sr] | Justin: how can i force logrotate to run? |
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| 19:37.17 | greycat | probably by running /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 19:37.19 | Justin | [sr]: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 19:37.46 | scampbell | you can run logrotate manually with logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf (assuming that's you conf file). also you can logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.conf for a 'do nothing just show me the debug stuff' run. |
| 19:38.00 | scampbell | man logrotate is useful here. |
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| 19:39.18 | [sr] | let me see |
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| 19:41.51 | reber | !iceweasel |
| 19:41.51 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 19:42.01 | [sr] | hum wait |
| 19:42.15 | [sr] | so logrotate rotares them one per week (default) |
| 19:42.32 | [sr] | which means that if i have 7 files, it'll delete them |
| 19:42.51 | [sr] | but, there's other mechnism that rotates them daily, right? |
| 19:42.57 | reber | why still iceweasel-3.5 even in sid ? |
| 19:43.04 | scampbell | no, that means it will rotate those older than a week. |
| 19:43.32 | scampbell | The 'rotate #' line tells you how many old logs it will keep |
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| 19:43.59 | scampbell | and note that it can all be set per file in /etc/logrotate.d/* too. |
| 19:44.29 | stew | reber: because the maintainer doesn't yet feel that any newer version is ready for release |
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| 19:44.49 | [sr] | scampbell: yap, i see that option, can i set that to 1 ? |
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| 19:45.30 | scampbell | I suppose so. See 'man logrotate' . |
| 19:45.35 | [sr] | l |
| 19:45.36 | mark76 | Why can't I shut down from Xfce? |
| 19:47.07 | scampbell | mark76: anything in your /var/log/gdm/ and /var/log/syslog for messages. It could be a policy issue too so watch for that. |
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| 19:47.57 | reber | stew, i thought that ubuntu and debian were *very* following each others regarding to *big foot* software like ff, ooo, etc. Sounds strange to me then, that ubuntu is ready yet and not debian. |
| 19:48.39 | reber | and i'm not talking about ff-5, but just ff-4 ... |
| 19:48.46 | ksk | hey guys |
| 19:48.48 | mark76 | (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument? scampbell |
| 19:48.58 | dkr | reber: 5.0 is in experimental. maybe they'll skip 4.0 :) |
| 19:48.59 | abrotman | reber: you mean very closely? |
| 19:49.05 | abrotman | dkr: i believe that's the plan |
| 19:49.14 | reber | yeah very closely |
| 19:49.23 | mark76 | What should I look for? |
| 19:49.25 | greycat | firefox 4.0 is already aborted. It became firefox 5.0 because 5 is a larger number than 4 and they thought it would be more impressive. |
| 19:49.33 | Hydroxide | reber: mozilla has stopped supporting 4.0 |
| 19:49.39 | stew | reber: i don't know much about ubuntu's policies, they obviously have different requirements, since they put out releases much more frequently |
| 19:49.43 | abrotman | reber: some of the teams work closely together .. |
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| 19:49.52 | reber | oh ok, didn't know about this 4.0 stuff |
| 19:49.53 | bolt | how can I get firefox 5 on squeeze btw? |
| 19:49.59 | scampbell | mark76: nah, that's an attempt fo setup a frame buffer device that failed (and was probably supposed to). |
| 19:50.04 | reber | then it's not a major version ok |
| 19:50.06 | greycat | firefox 5.0 is really firefix 4.0.2 except renumbered |
| 19:50.10 | stew | bolt: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 19:50.24 | greycat | firefox* |
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| 19:50.50 | bolt | stew: brilliant! thanks |
| 19:50.52 | mark76 | Nothing in syslog makes any sense to me |
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| 19:51.54 | reber | will they do like emacs, firefox 23 ?...? I mean can a commercial numbering survive that ? |
| 19:51.56 | [sr] | scampbell: set to "rotate 1", runned and no rotation on the logs |
| 19:52.31 | reber | this "my number is bigger than yours" quite stupid imo |
| 19:53.37 | reber | returning to the roots, my problem is that numerous addons don't work on older 3.5 versions anymore |
| 19:53.40 | LostJoe | hi, I did a dpkg -i realtek.deb to install the driver for my ethernet card. What else do I have to do to make my network card being detected by ifconfig? |
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| 19:54.02 | greycat | Have you rebooted? |
| 19:54.17 | stew | reber: what is an example add-on? for many, debian should be shipping a compatible package |
| 19:54.27 | LostJoe | greycat: I have rebooted |
| 19:54.38 | reber | stew, i don't use packages for addons |
| 19:54.41 | reber | for ff |
| 19:54.50 | stew | reber: you could |
| 19:55.08 | SpeedyG | hm, anyone know why I'm getting this error: E: Release file expired, ignoring http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/Release (invalid since 4h 46min 29s) |
| 19:55.23 | stew | SpeedyG: are you behind a proxy? |
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| 19:55.36 | SpeedyG | stew: nop |
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| 19:55.37 | greycat | LostJoe: how do you know that the .deb you installed is actually a working driver for your card for your current kernel version? |
| 19:55.44 | reber | stew, i don't like to use .deb packages when a packages manager already exists for a software (firefox addons, gems, pear, etc.) |
| 19:55.45 | mark76 | Let's see if deleting ICEAuthority helps |
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| 19:56.26 | [sr] | scampbell: something's missing here.. |
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| 19:56.31 | SpeedyG | stew: and it only happens on one of the 5 xen images running on this box.. all others seem to work out just fin |
| 19:56.34 | SpeedyG | *fine |
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| 19:57.09 | mark76 | No, I can't shut down or restart Xfce4 |
| 19:57.12 | [sr] | scampbell: logrotate is rotating samba files and not apache one's |
| 19:57.33 | stew | SpeedyG: is the clock correct on this machine? |
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| 19:58.09 | SpeedyG | stew: thanks... that's the issue |
| 19:58.10 | ksk | whats "the" way to give diskless clients bootet via pxe/tftp different hostnames? |
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| 19:58.20 | ksk | s/bootet/booted/ |
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| 19:58.33 | mark76 | Could it be anything to do with this? "/usr/bin/startxfce4: X server already running on display " |
| 19:58.48 | jhutchins_lt | ksk: Have the dhcp server assign the hostname by MAC. |
| 19:58.56 | Prajwal | judd: version php-curl |
| 19:58.57 | LostJoe | greycat: I think I fcked up on that one, because I realize that my card is RTL8101E and the driver I have installed is for another realtek model. |
| 19:58.57 | Justin | mark76: what are you trying to do ? |
| 19:59.02 | jhutchins_lt | ksk: You may want to look at ltsp. |
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| 19:59.17 | lechienkitu | there is a irssi users ? |
| 19:59.19 | action09 | hi all |
| 19:59.27 | mark76 | The shutdown and reboot options in Xfce4 aren't working justin |
| 19:59.27 | greycat | lechienkitu: #irssi is full of them |
| 19:59.30 | stew | lechienkitu: many, just ask your real question |
| 19:59.39 | mark76 | And I don't understand why |
| 19:59.44 | Tobbe__ | I'm trying to back port a package and found this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation But it doesn't work. After dget it asks me to do "grep Build-Depends debian/control" but then I get "grep: debian/control: No such file or directory". What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:59.48 | ksk | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 20:00.12 | greycat | it asked you to grep something by hand...? |
| 20:00.15 | action09 | on a Debian stable, i use xfce 4.4 from repositories, i'm asking myself which programs are used when i choose disconnect: sleep, suspend/hibernate.. what programs to install to have sleep, suspend/hibernate. thanks |
| 20:00.27 | stew | Tobbe__: after dget, cd to the directory containing the source that was just created |
| 20:00.39 | lechienkitu | okay, i runned it with screen and i've maked Script now i do "/load nicklist.pl" and it says "Irssi: Script nicklist.pl not found" |
| 20:00.41 | greycat | are you sure you changed directory (cd) as it shows? |
| 20:00.42 | stew | judd: info xfce4 --release stable |
| 20:00.44 | judd | Package xfce4 (xfce, optional) in squeeze/i386: Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment. Version: 4.6.2; Size: 7.2k; Installed: 40k; Homepage: http://www.xfce.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/xfce4 |
| 20:00.47 | Tobbe__ | stew, no directories are created |
| 20:00.51 | stew | action09: 4.6 is in stable, not 4.4 |
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| 20:00.57 | greycat | Tobbe__: then the dget failed. |
| 20:01.17 | stew | Tobbe__: did you use dget -x? if not, then run "dpkg-source -x foo.dsc" with the newly downloaded .dsc file |
| 20:01.37 | greycat | Ah.... |
| 20:01.42 | action09 | stew yes correct: 4.6.2 |
| 20:01.44 | Tobbe__ | greycat: it does complain about validation. Is validation needed? |
| 20:01.51 | lechienkitu | do you know why ? :p |
| 20:02.03 | Justin | mark76: what display manager are you using? |
| 20:02.18 | mark76 | GDM |
| 20:02.27 | greycat | I'm already logged in to wiki.d.o so I'll fix it. |
| 20:02.48 | stew | lechienkitu: does "/load nicklist" work? |
| 20:03.14 | SpeedyG | thanks stew, now my system is up-to-date again... strange that the time just changed :/ |
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| 20:03.36 | lechienkitu | nop, it puts Irssi: Error loading module nicklist/core: |
| 20:03.36 | lechienkitu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.36 | lechienkitu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.36 | klur | why is sauerbraten in the contrib section? What unfree software does it depend on? |
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| 20:04.44 | lechienkitu | but i've downloaded "nicklist.pl" on script.irssi.org/scripts/nicklist.pl |
| 20:05.00 | stew | klur: sauerbraten-data |
| 20:05.05 | stew | lechienkitu: ask #irssi |
| 20:05.08 | Justin | mark76: http://wiki.xfce.org/faq#session_manager |
| 20:05.37 | lechienkitu | stew: okay. thanks. |
| 20:06.24 | stew | SpeedyG: you should install the ntp package if it isn't already installed |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | ... why does http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation use fakeroot debian/rules binary *and also* dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc? And shouldn't that last one be dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot? |
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| 20:09.43 | Tobbe__ | stew, greycat: The grep for Build-Depends doesn't work too well when the list is more than one line |
| 20:10.10 | greycat | yeah, this wiki page is not very good |
| 20:10.46 | greycat | you might compare with /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 20:11.10 | mark76 | Where's /libexec/xfsm-shutdown-helper? |
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| 20:11.30 | greycat | !find xfsm-shutdown-helper |
| 20:12.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xfsm-shutdown-helper' (2): (/usr/lib/xfce4/session/xfsm-shutdown-helper) in xfce/xfce4-session ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xfce4/session/xfsm-shutdown-helper) in debug/xfce4-session-dbg. |
| 20:12.25 | mark76 | I don't have xfsm-shutdown-helper |
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| 20:13.48 | lulzyboy | hey need to change workers because i run a popular site with php5-fcgi, im getting "apache2-mpm-worker : Depends: apache2.2-common (= 2.2.16-6+squeeze1) but 2.2.19 -1 is to be installed" whenever i try to install it though |
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| 20:13.56 | lulzyboy | they told me to come here |
| 20:14.12 | greycat | ,versions apache2.2-common |
| 20:14.13 | judd | Package apache2.2-common on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.2.19-1; wheezy: 2.2.19-1 |
| 20:14.22 | greycat | sounds like you mixed squeeze + unstable/testing |
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| 20:14.37 | lulzyboy | how can i undo that |
| 20:14.45 | stew | lulzyboy: yes the "is to be installed" is unfortunately misleading and in this case probably means "is already installed" |
| 20:14.50 | tralala | you probably can't |
| 20:14.58 | stew | lulzyboy: we'd recommend reinstalling |
| 20:14.59 | wols | lulzyboy: you can't downgrade |
| 20:15.10 | lulzyboy | could i add the unstable source? |
| 20:15.13 | greycat | The cleanest way to undo it (short of a total reinstall) would be to remove all the apache packages, fix sources.list, apt-get update, then install them. |
| 20:15.15 | wols | lulzyboy: and next time not to mix |
| 20:15.30 | lulzyboy | hmm |
| 20:15.35 | lulzyboy | i could remove all apache packages |
| 20:15.38 | stew | lulzyboy: there is no reason for you to add the unstable source |
| 20:15.40 | lulzyboy | the ones the bot just posted above? |
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| 20:15.49 | wols | lulzyboy: you could. but you don't want a server running on unstable. not if you like your uptime and security |
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| 20:16.05 | mark76 | I don't have a session folder in my /usr/lib/xfce4 drectory |
| 20:16.06 | tralala | especially not a popular site |
| 20:16.12 | lulzyboy | apache2.2-common on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.2.19-1; wheezy: 2.2.19-1 |
| 20:16.13 | lulzyboy | these? |
| 20:16.15 | mtnman | hello everybody |
| 20:16.29 | wols | mark76: is the package installed? |
| 20:16.30 | tralala | lulzyboy: these are versions of the same package |
| 20:16.32 | mtnman | is there a way to search for packages in dists older than lenny? |
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| 20:16.38 | lulzyboy | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 20:16.39 | lulzyboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.39 | lulzyboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.45 | mark76 | The xfce4-session package wols? Yes |
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| 20:17.18 | wols | mark76: and /usr/lib/xfce4/session/xfsm-shutdown-helper exists? |
| 20:17.21 | ompaul | lulzyboy: imagine what a car would look like if you took doors from different year models ... you have done something similar it will take considerable skill way beyond what you want to have to make them work and they won't upgrade to the next version if you do alter them - please go get new fit out ;-) |
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| 20:17.46 | twobitsprite | hmm... I have a stuck NFS mount... stale file handle... and umount -f doesn't even want to umount it... any ideas? |
| 20:17.46 | mtnman | needs a deborphan for armel which doesn't need a libc newer than 2.5.1 |
| 20:17.48 | mark76 | No wols there is no session folder in that directory |
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| 20:17.59 | mark76 | /usr/lib/xfce4/ |
| 20:18.12 | greycat | twobitsprite: reboot. |
| 20:18.22 | stew | lulzyboy: you could perhaps downgrade those packages. but we would be concerned about the fact that there are probably other packages from testing installed. we do not recommend mixing stable and testing. we don't recommend testing on servers |
| 20:18.24 | twobitsprite | greycat: :( |
| 20:18.32 | lulzyboy | i did that by mistake |
| 20:18.33 | wols | mark76: then check pdo where the file is supposed to be |
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| 20:18.55 | wols | mark76: pastebin dpkg -l xfce* |
| 20:18.59 | ompaul | lulzyboy: resintall fastest fix - a pain but has to be done |
| 20:19.02 | twobitsprite | greycat: there's really no other way? |
| 20:19.09 | greycat | twobitsprite: bring the NFS server back up. |
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| 20:19.52 | tralala | lulzyboy: unfortunately your car might be structurally damaged now, so even re-fitting the old doors will not guarantee that it will still pass the safty tests |
| 20:20.05 | mark76 | pdo? |
| 20:20.07 | ompaul | tralala: +2 |
| 20:20.10 | Justin | greycat: you should look into the hard vs. soft intr vs. nointr nfs mount options |
| 20:20.14 | greycat | !pdo |
| 20:20.14 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 20:20.15 | wols | packages.debian.org |
| 20:20.17 | twobitsprite | greycat: the server is up |
| 20:20.25 | twobitsprite | greycat: and the export exported |
| 20:20.35 | greycat | Justin: you mean twobitsprite should. |
| 20:20.59 | greycat | twobitsprite: well, if the mount didn't resume where it left off, then something changed in between, so the client is probably going to be stuck forever |
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| 20:21.13 | mtnman | greycat if that was directed towards me, pdo doesn't allow to search for dists older than oldstable (lenny). i need older than that. |
| 20:21.26 | greycat | 16:20 mark76> pdo? |
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| 20:22.02 | twobitsprite | mtnman: not to be "that guy", but just curious, why are you running a system older than lenny? |
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| 20:22.46 | mtnman | twobitsprite: i'm looking for deborphan for armel that i can install on mameo5 for my n900. it has an old libc6 |
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| 20:23.57 | twobitsprite | well... etch and older are no longer hosted on the repos, so you really should consider upgrading unless you *really* need that older version, in which case I'm not sure we can help you |
| 20:24.11 | mark76 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/638564/ |
| 20:24.15 | wols | mtnman: archive.debian.org snapshot.debian.org |
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| 20:24.41 | wols | twobitsprite: /lastlog mark76 |
| 20:24.52 | mtnman | wols : thanks a bunch! |
| 20:25.40 | twobitsprite | wols: ? |
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| 20:25.51 | wols | twobitsprite: misfire |
| 20:26.24 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 20:26.55 | mark76 | Does that help wols? |
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| 20:32.06 | action09 | so anyone can recommend suspend/hibernate programs ? |
| 20:32.09 | action09 | please |
| 20:32.25 | mark76 | powernowd? |
| 20:32.46 | action09 | dunno |
| 20:32.50 | action09 | i'll search |
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| 20:33.36 | ebw | How can I use the -dbg library packages like libx11-6-dbg ? I see it places a file under /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib ... but I don't know, how to use this and how will the compiler find the source files to list the functions? |
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| 20:34.39 | daemonkeeper | ebw: Its not the compile who cares, but gdb. |
| 20:34.45 | daemonkeeper | *compiler |
| 20:35.44 | ebw | daemonkeeper: oops of course ... embarrasing. |
| 20:35.47 | simonlnu | dpkg: test |
| 20:35.47 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 20:35.52 | simonlnu | \o/ |
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| 20:38.16 | kikouni | Bonsoir |
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| 20:38.54 | ompaul | !fr |
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| 20:39.09 | Kromgol | Why do i get "/bin/bash: g++: command not found" when i try to build something with make? |
| 20:39.12 | Kromgol | I got gcc and make installe.d |
| 20:39.15 | Kromgol | Do i miss something? |
| 20:39.21 | greycat | Kromgol: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:39.24 | simonlnu | uh, g++ != g++ |
| 20:39.30 | simonlnu | uh, g++ != gcc even |
| 20:39.31 | stew | really? |
| 20:39.32 | stew | :) |
| 20:39.34 | greycat | g++ is separate from gcc |
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| 20:39.37 | Kromgol | Hm |
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| 20:39.40 | Kromgol | Thanks. |
| 20:39.50 | lulzyboy | insserv: loop involving service eggdrop at depth 2 |
| 20:39.50 | lulzyboy | insserv: loop involving service monit at depth 1 |
| 20:39.50 | lulzyboy | insserv: Stopping eggdrop depends on monit and therefore on system facility `$al l' which can not be true! |
| 20:39.50 | lulzyboy | insserv: exiting now without changing boot order! |
| 20:39.50 | lulzyboy | update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header |
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| 20:40.06 | simonlnu | stew: hehe. mock me and my typos why don't you :P |
| 20:40.10 | twobitsprite | !tell lulzyboy about paste |
| 20:40.12 | lulzyboy | im getting this |
| 20:40.15 | lulzyboy | and only this |
| 20:40.28 | lulzyboy | subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 20:40.37 | simonlnu | stop pasting here |
| 20:40.37 | ompaul | lulzyboy: given what you said already I guess you didn't reinstall |
| 20:40.44 | greycat | repasting the *useless* line of the output is not helpful |
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| 20:41.06 | stew | lulzyboy: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy eggdrop monit libc6" into a pastebin? |
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| 20:41.14 | greycat | the only useful line that survived your flooding was "insserv: Stopping eggdrop depends on monit and therefore on system facility `$al l' which can not be true! |
| 20:41.15 | twobitsprite | lulzyboy: read what dpkg msg you about and paste your full output to a pastebin |
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| 20:41.29 | lulzyboy | ihttp://pastebin.com/Crn6xi5K |
| 20:41.31 | lulzyboy | there |
| 20:41.35 | stew | lulzyboy: this is likely going to be us finding more problems with your mixing releases |
| 20:42.12 | jombo | is there a website where I can search for a software, and it tells me which repository to add to sources.list |
| 20:42.14 | jombo | ? |
| 20:42.27 | greycat | looks like monit is newer than squeeze's version |
| 20:42.34 | scampbell | Aha! In case anyone cares to note it. The secret to forcing a raid array out of PENDING state without writing to it is mdadm --readwrite /dev/md?? |
| 20:42.34 | ompaul | libc crocked |
| 20:42.41 | greycat | and so is libc6. that's BAD. |
| 20:42.43 | twobitsprite | jombo: we only support the official repositories in here... if what you're looking for isn't in one of those then we can't help you |
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| 20:43.10 | greycat | jombo: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:43.13 | ompaul | lulzyboy: Please stop wasting your time, please do a fresh install and get a box that might work for you. |
| 20:43.24 | lulzyboy | its really not that simple |
| 20:43.26 | jombo | twobitsprite, i'm not asking for support for unsupported application, i'm just asking if there is something that can tell me which source to add to sources.list |
| 20:43.28 | ompaul | it really is |
| 20:43.29 | lulzyboy | i cant have any downtime |
| 20:43.41 | lulzyboy | i made a stupid mistake i know |
| 20:43.58 | stew | lulzyboy: get another server running stable and migrate to that |
| 20:44.09 | stew | mission critical eggdrops! |
| 20:44.10 | lulzyboy | yes |
| 20:44.17 | greycat | or push the existing server *forward* to wheezy. |
| 20:44.19 | lulzyboy | its not eggdrops |
| 20:44.20 | lulzyboy | how? |
| 20:44.28 | wols | lulzyboy: if you know what you're doing, the downtime is about an hour |
| 20:44.29 | mark76 | Do I need to reinstall again? |
| 20:44.34 | jombo | greycat, what kind of command is that? |
| 20:44.41 | greycat | it's not eggdrops? then why is eggdrop installed? |
| 20:44.44 | jombo | ooops sorry, that's for irc ^^ |
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| 20:44.54 | lulzyboy | one eggdrop is running for a status bot for me |
| 20:44.56 | lulzyboy | thats all |
| 20:45.23 | jombo | thanks greycat |
| 20:45.33 | stew | lulzyboy: you would follow instructions in "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy", then subscribe to lists.debian.org/debian-security, since you are likely to be having to do your own security patching, since security isn't guaranteed in testing |
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| 20:45.36 | greycat | then remove eggdrop? |
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| 20:45.56 | twobitsprite | stew: security is guaranteed in stable? :P |
| 20:46.01 | lulzyboy | ill move it over |
| 20:46.02 | lulzyboy | but for now |
| 20:46.04 | stew | twobitsprite: moreso |
| 20:46.09 | ompaul | lulzyboy: your box is broken seriously |
| 20:46.21 | lulzyboy | i know |
| 20:46.23 | stew | lulzyboy: running testing on a server that cannot go down isn't recommended if you don't know what you are doing |
| 20:46.31 | lulzyboy | i alreayd know its screwed |
| 20:46.34 | greycat | it isn't recommended, full stop. |
| 20:46.36 | lulzyboy | i just need it UP while i migrate it |
| 20:46.41 | greycat | doesn't matter whether you know what you're doing or not. |
| 20:46.50 | totte | I'm trying to boot a headless server with a minimal Debian install but before it gets an IP and I can access it by SSH it halts during boot due to this: http://pastebin.com/jbVG4fQV (bootlog) - anyone got a hint for me? I booted from a USB stick to poke about. |
| 20:46.51 | lulzyboy | i did it by mistake and i regret that |
| 20:46.55 | ompaul | then leave it alone and get on with migration |
| 20:47.04 | lulzyboy | its a site getting around 400 hits a second |
| 20:47.08 | lulzyboy | "leaving it alone" is not ideal |
| 20:47.27 | lulzyboy | im already installing debian on another machine right now but id like that one back asap |
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| 20:47.43 | stew | lulzyboy: "back" meaning what? |
| 20:47.51 | lulzyboy | just serving http/php pages |
| 20:47.53 | ompaul | well grab your data and stop doing irc move it into place get the back to it |
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| 20:48.04 | greycat | lulzyboy: like I said a long time ago, remove all the apache packages and install them afresh. |
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| 20:48.26 | jhutchins_lt | lulzyboy: Why do you need to run a DNS server on it? |
| 20:48.37 | lulzyboy | i tried that |
| 20:48.40 | lulzyboy | i just get endless errors |
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| 20:49.05 | greycat | Then there's nothing we can do that will be faster than a full reinstall on a second machine, which you are already doing. |
| 20:49.14 | lulzyboy | ok then ill just do that |
| 20:49.29 | stew | lulzyboy: have you shown us the errors? |
| 20:49.31 | jhutchins_lt | lulzyboy: If it's a business critical webserver it should NOT be runing bind. |
| 20:49.34 | fairway | are the Google+ invites still closed? |
| 20:49.42 | lulzyboy | ill be migrating bind to a seperate server |
| 20:49.42 | ompaul | fairway: offtopic and yet |
| 20:49.45 | stew | fairway: is that a debian thing? |
| 20:49.54 | fairway | yes it runs on debian |
| 20:49.58 | fairway | ;-) |
| 20:50.33 | jhutchins_lt | lulzyboy: Your bind is obviously not citical - it's down and you still don't want to take the server down to fix it. |
| 20:50.44 | lulzyboy | i got it back up for now |
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| 20:51.18 | greycat | hopefully he has a secondary name server on another box... |
| 20:51.30 | lulzyboy | correct |
| 20:51.30 | lulzyboy | i do |
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| 20:51.44 | ompaul | lulzyboy: are you not getting the data ready for the transfer? |
| 20:51.52 | lulzyboy | ill just transfer it |
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| 20:55.49 | azonenberg | Where would I find information about setting up a private mirror? |
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| 20:56.33 | tot | hi |
| 20:56.37 | azonenberg | I am starting to deploy a pretty good number of boxes in the apartment between my VMs and real servers, plus rooommates |
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| 20:57.00 | azonenberg | And am thinking it might save bandwidth if i had a mirror in house (literally) to cut down on traffic when fifteen systems have to install patches at once |
| 20:58.13 | jhutchins_lt | !mirrors |
| 20:58.13 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 20:58.25 | jhutchins_lt | !apt-cache |
| 20:58.25 | dpkg | apt-cache is a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository it came from, use "apt-cache policy foo", "apt-cache show foo" or "apt-cache showpkg foo" (searches for reverse dependencies). "apt-cache search foo" helps to find which packages provide or are related to foo, by searching all package descriptions. See also <which repo>. |
| 20:59.05 | jhutchins_lt | azonenberg: It's not apt-cache I guess, but I believe there is a system that will cache downloads and share them with other machines. |
| 20:59.09 | tot | Ùا٠|
| 20:59.16 | ejsejs_ | Hi, I read the man, but I still can't figure out how to just *download* packages with apt-get |
| 20:59.20 | azonenberg | That would be ideal, since i wouldnt need to store EVERYTHING |
| 20:59.24 | azonenberg | Only what i had installed |
| 20:59.32 | ejsejs_ | I tried source but it says it couldnt find thee source |
| 21:00.08 | simonlnu | apt-cacher i think |
| 21:00.25 | simonlnu | apt-get -d install |
| 21:00.36 | azonenberg | Hmm, so i have some ubuntu boxes and some debian |
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| 21:00.40 | azonenberg | looks like i need to run two instances |
| 21:00.50 | azonenberg | (though most of the ubuntu will migrate to debian over time) |
| 21:00.51 | ompaul | azonenberg: or one squid set up for big files |
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| 21:01.26 | azonenberg | ompaul: Hmm, thats an interesting idea |
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| 21:01.37 | ejsejs_ | simonlnu: that appears to instal it... |
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| 21:01.58 | ompaul | write an alias script name which points only to the squid for the updates export http://proxy.network:3128 and so forth |
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| 21:02.57 | simonlnu | ejsejs_: it doesn't |
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| 21:03.20 | simonlnu | man apt-get |
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| 21:04.00 | simonlnu | type /download once it's open |
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| 21:04.32 | ejsejs_ | simonlnu: what? type download where? |
| 21:04.33 | simonlnu | then press n for the next instance of the search term. might wanna install less (it's better than more) |
| 21:04.50 | simonlnu | the freaking manual ;) |
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| 21:05.26 | ejsejs_ | alright |
| 21:05.38 | ejsejs_ | simonlnu: it didnt download to the current directory |
| 21:05.52 | ejsejs_ | also I needed sudo |
| 21:06.09 | ejsejs_ | also, I did search for download on the man page but didnt see the -d option |
| 21:06.37 | anaschema | you can do apt-get download <pkgname>, it will get it in the current directory i believe |
| 21:07.21 | ejsejs_ | anaschema: that isnt an option |
| 21:07.26 | ompaul | just in case anyone was interested in that export thing it was typoed there full text export http_proxy=http://myproxy.network.or.ipaddress:3128 |
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| 21:07.35 | anaschema | hmm, it works for me but maybe it's an experimental thingie >.> |
| 21:07.36 | ompaul | assumption is squid |
| 21:09.10 | anaschema | no, i have the stable apt: 0.8.14.1 |
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| 21:09.44 | G0d-servant | i'm in Lenny. after remove compiz, sometimes gnome for few second to be freeze. why? |
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| 21:13.39 | hochron | can someone help me use bcrypt? |
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| 21:13.42 | hochron | how do you unencrypt it? |
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| 21:21.10 | hochron | how can I tell if a file is blowfish encrypted? |
| 21:21.17 | ompaul | hochron: http://www.stealth-x.com/apps/bcrypt.php or the encrypt part of those http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:21.35 | hochron | ty |
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| 21:26.08 | hochron | ompaul, I encrypted the file then I ran bcrypt again thinknig it would decrypt it, but in the file browser it has a little padlock on the upper right side, and the program that uses it does not work either |
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| 21:27.01 | hochron | EXCEPTION: 22DbRunRecoveryException |
| 21:27.01 | hochron | DbEnv::open: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery |
| 21:27.01 | hochron | bitcoin in AppInit() |
| 21:27.10 | twobitsprite | ugh... leave it to oracle to require X to install thier DB |
| 21:27.11 | ompaul | hochron: you encrypted it twice? |
| 21:27.22 | hochron | how do I run database recovery |
| 21:27.35 | ompaul | no idea, I'd search net to figure that one out |
| 21:28.04 | ompaul | however the picture of a lock may be a permissions thing, you may wish to check the files permissions |
| 21:28.12 | hochron | im not sure, maybe, it had a bfe extensiion so I thought it would decypt it |
| 21:28.28 | hochron | ok |
| 21:28.28 | pipeline | twobitsprite: not only do they require X, their installer is braindead and shits its pants if you use SSH X11 forwarding |
| 21:28.30 | ompaul | which is why it is always better to use the command line |
| 21:28.39 | pipeline | twobitsprite: at least that is true for 10g, the 11.x and 12.x installers may have fixed that particular bug |
| 21:28.43 | twobitsprite | pipeline: crap, does it? :( |
| 21:29.01 | pipeline | twobitsprite: for 10g, as of the most recent update, I still had to manually set DISPLAY to a directly accessible host. X11 forwarding was epicly broken in frustrating ways. |
| 21:29.11 | twobitsprite | ok, hopefully it'll work... I don't want to have to install gnome + 9000 depends on a server just to install something |
| 21:30.01 | pipeline | twobitsprite: your X11 server can be remote, it just can't be remote through SSH |
| 21:30.09 | pipeline | twobitsprite: so it better be pretty close ;) |
| 21:30.18 | twobitsprite | ugh... |
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| 21:30.31 | twobitsprite | we'll see... the DBA already left, so hopefully it'll work when he tries tomorrow |
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| 21:31.41 | pipeline | twobitsprite: nothing stops you from using Xvnc + twm, it's not like you need a fancy desktop |
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| 21:31.56 | dokma | how do I check on my laptop if it has a working IR receiver? |
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| 21:32.33 | pipeline | twobitsprite: also... afaik debian is an unsupported platform for oracle, so uh, have fun with that. |
| 21:32.43 | pipeline | twobitsprite: getting oracle to do anything without oracle support ... sucks |
| 21:33.05 | pipeline | twobitsprite: if you Must Have oracle on debian, I would install a KVM guest w/ CentOS and run oracle inside THAT |
| 21:33.25 | pipeline | dokma: try sudo lsusb -t |
| 21:33.42 | dokma | ok |
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| 21:35.58 | dokma | pipeline: none of these are very easy to decipher |
| 21:36.10 | dokma | how do you tell what is IR related? |
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| 21:38.15 | pipeline | dokma: look for a USB serial device in the list, perhaps pl2303 driver, something else. Have fun ! |
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| 21:40.44 | twobitsprite | pipeline: well, tbh, I'm being offtopic... it's a RHEL system :P |
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| 21:41.02 | twobitsprite | but I just had to gripe |
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| 21:41.09 | Mikaze | Got a problem with mail. Every time I attempt to mail root, it changes the file permissions for /var/mail/root to 600, and calendar doesn't work, and I get a "user unknown" back from mutt. Any solutions? |
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| 21:42.57 | twobitsprite | Mikaze: you're trying to read root mail from a non-root user? |
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| 21:43.43 | pipeline | Mikaze: the mailbox permissions SHOULD be 600. You need to change your MTA/LDA config if you want an insecure permission setting. |
| 21:44.07 | twobitsprite | Mikaze: or better yet, set up an alias to mail to root gets forwarded to your real user |
| 21:44.38 | Mikaze | I switch the file permissions for /var/mail/root to 660/root/mail from 600/root/mail, and it keeps changing it back to 600. |
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| 21:45.17 | action09 | anyone know what is recommended to install to put my workstation in sleep/hibernate mode please ? |
| 21:45.19 | action09 | debian stable |
| 21:45.57 | bluesceada | hmm anyone used plymouth with dm-crypt in debian so far? |
| 21:46.05 | twobitsprite | Mikaze: what version of debian are you running, and what mta are you using? |
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| 21:46.24 | bluesceada | i've heard one should add pylmout-encrypt to the initrd hooks .. but i dont seem to find that |
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| 21:46.48 | Kharec | hi there |
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| 21:47.02 | andh | Hi people. If I try to mount my external ntfs hard disk, it says: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper" and a little bit more. What should I do? |
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| 21:47.59 | Mikaze | I don't wanna forward the mail, as I have to use gmail and msmtp to mail out, so use root for my own system messages. 4 other accounts already handling other mail. I use sendmail on Squeeze, and it was working before I reinstalled from scratch. from Lenny. |
| 21:48.10 | twobitsprite | !tell andh about ntfsrw |
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| 21:48.58 | twobitsprite | Mikaze: I don't think gmail has anything to do with this... just have it forward the mail to your local linux user |
| 21:49.18 | Mikaze | root IS my local linux user. |
| 21:49.25 | Mikaze | laughs. |
| 21:49.26 | twobitsprite | Mikaze: you log in as root? |
| 21:49.29 | deepa | Why is your local linux user root? |
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| 21:49.42 | Mikaze | I 'su -' to root. |
| 21:49.50 | deepa | There's a very good reason the installer tells you to create a separate account |
| 21:49.52 | twobitsprite | Mikaze: what do you log in as? |
| 21:50.14 | twobitsprite | Mikaze: whatever you log in as is your local linux user |
| 21:50.15 | Mikaze | 4 different accounts, normally. |
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| 21:51.46 | Mikaze | I don't want to follow Debian's mail rules. I want a freed up system that works the way *I* want it to, without restrictions. I just wanna know what Debian screwed up again for me. |
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| 21:52.19 | DotHack | maybe someone in here knows.. im sniffing traffic on eth0 with tcpdump on a switch and i see traffic between 2 other servers on a regular basis what can be wrong here? |
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| 21:52.34 | twobitsprite | Mikaze: well, in that case I think you're on your own... you can scour the sendmail man page to figure out how to unsecure root's mailbox, but I don't think anyone here will help you with that |
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| 21:54.17 | Mikaze | sees Debian is turning into Windows Vista. |
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| 21:54.27 | Mikaze | Later... |
| 21:54.45 | twobitsprite | Mikaze: whatever... just because you have some wierd idea of how mail should be handled doesn't mean debian is doing it wrong |
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| 21:57.12 | Bushmills | if you're logging in as root anyway, what's wrong with the 600 perms on mail spool? |
| 21:57.35 | DotHack | Bushmills: he´s gone.. |
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| 21:58.02 | twobitsprite | Bushmills: no, he's logging is a 4 different users, each of which (apparently) need access to root's mail bin |
| 21:58.33 | twobitsprite | what I'm confused about is why he even has a /var/mail/root... my system only has my user's mailbox with messages to root automatically forwarded to it... that's the default instal, right? |
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| 21:58.48 | twobitsprite | obviously it's because debian is turning in to windows vista.... |
| 21:59.27 | Bushmills | or because he has set debian free |
| 21:59.34 | twobitsprite | lol |
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| 22:01.47 | frikinz | DotHack: the switching is forwarding to wrong/too many ports and your eth0 is promiscuous? |
| 22:02.07 | DotHack | frikinz: yes seems so! |
| 22:02.24 | frikinz | DotHack: flooding some switch will turn them in a hub |
| 22:02.34 | frikinz | see macof tool |
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| 22:02.58 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:03.12 | lenswipe | anyone know what to do with this: http://pastebin.com/trTZE8fa |
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| 22:03.58 | twobitsprite | lenswipe: you running this as root? |
| 22:04.02 | DotHack | frikinz: that makes sense.. so my switch probably gets follded somewhere and starts sending packets to all ports |
| 22:05.01 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:05.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (3.0.0~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 22:05.24 | lenswipe | twobitsprite, of course |
| 22:05.44 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Looks like you have a problem with the latest update to the lenny kernel that you need to resolve. |
| 22:05.45 | frikinz | DotHack: only with intentionnal flood as a BIG flood is needed and nowaydays switches are not fail open. |
| 22:05.59 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, this is a fresh install |
| 22:06.04 | twobitsprite | lenswipe: do you have some weird setup where some part of your filesystem is nfs mounted or something? or are any of your filesystems mounted read-only? |
| 22:06.08 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: You might try installing the .32 kernel from backports, that would allow you to remove and reinstall .26 |
| 22:06.14 | DotHack | ok no intentional floosing is going on just normal night traffic |
| 22:06.22 | lenswipe | twobitsprite, its a VPS |
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| 22:06.31 | frikinz | DotHack: there's arpspoof too |
| 22:06.34 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, would a dist-upgrade do it? (im running lenny) |
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| 22:06.58 | frikinz | DotHack: ok so if its a trusted network probably a failing switch? |
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| 22:07.40 | DotHack | frikinz: maybe how to tell.... |
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| 22:08.44 | frikinz | DotHack: restart the switch, record network on all ports, check switch console for any message, errors,.. not easy. and be sure that ethernet layer of these packet is correct and not using broadcast mac |
| 22:08.50 | DotHack | frikinz: i am not seeing anything weird in the logs/stats of te switch |
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| 22:13.10 | newyork | hm guys, mpd blocks the whole sound device so its impossible to listen at 2 musicsources the same time, i tried to fix this with an asoundconf, with changing the audio_output in the mpd.conf but nothing really works, how could i fix that? |
| 22:16.35 | Thalius | exit |
| 22:16.47 | Jarvis | newyork: at first guess you could try pulse |
| 22:16.50 | Jarvis | newyork: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 22:16.52 | lechienkitu | I was sure that was "/exit" :p |
| 22:17.13 | Jarvis | seems pretty comprehensive |
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| 22:17.32 | Jarvis | i've had a few issues with pulse , but most are getting solved |
| 22:17.42 | Jarvis | anyways --gone :) |
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| 22:18.14 | newyork | okay Jarvis i will try it |
| 22:19.02 | DotHack | frikinz: can it be caused by BDPU handling? |
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| 22:23.49 | frikinz | DotHack: I don't know spt that much to answer. |
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| 22:27.00 | DotHack | frikinz: looks like i found the culprit one port was going downup constantly |
| 22:27.27 | DotHack | frikinz: ive disabled the port and no weird traffic |
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| 22:31.35 | DotHack | frikinz: turning the port on again causes the traffic to be send again... looks like this happens when a port goes down the cache is cleared or something |
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| 22:46.16 | gnude | hello |
| 22:46.24 | gnude | i need help converting pictures with imagemagic |
| 22:46.35 | lechienkitu | google ? :p |
| 22:46.37 | gnude | i have some psd files, that i want to convert to jpg |
| 22:46.49 | gnude | gimp says wrong colour mode |
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| 22:54.12 | gnude | find nothing good |
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| 23:02.32 | johnnymugs | hey all, is this a horrible idea? just got a thinkpad and thought I'd just dump the HD contents to a removable drive and install debian. will i be able to run the old OS from vmware or some similar software later or is it more complicated? |
| 23:03.05 | johnnymugs | i've been linux-only for a while now, just thought maybe i'd stream netflix one day or something |
| 23:03.22 | johnnymugs | (also feel dumb deleting something i technically paid for right off the bat) |
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| 23:08.06 | delpht | hey, guys! |
| 23:08.13 | delpht | i need some help.. |
| 23:08.26 | lechienkitu | for ? |
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| 23:09.08 | s1 | hey delpht. |
| 23:12.16 | delpht | so, my distro is squeeze 6.0.1 and I my video on vlc turned black after running command "compiz --replace" |
| 23:12.59 | gnude | delpht i have no idea |
| 23:13.00 | delpht | after that, I removed compiz and all of them packages |
| 23:13.01 | gnude | sorry |
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| 23:14.12 | delpht | I've already reset the settings on vlc |
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| 23:14.44 | delpht | but my video on it still black screen |
| 23:15.01 | delpht | the sound is normal |
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| 23:18.13 | DotHack | johnnymugs: you should have a licence code on the back of the lap, you can reinstall within vmware with that code with an oem cd |
| 23:18.28 | delpht | I receive this messege on gnome-terminal, after open a video |
| 23:18.29 | delpht | http://paste.debian.net/122026/ |
| 23:18.42 | johnnymugs | DotHack: thanks, but the thing is, there's no CD |
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| 23:19.20 | DotHack | johnnymugs: i think you can request it for some shipment costs |
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| 23:19.36 | johnnymugs | DotHack, oh nice, I'll have to look into that |
| 23:19.59 | DotHack | johnnymugs: or else download it.. i think it is legal in this case |
| 23:20.03 | johnnymugs | DotHack, thanks! |
| 23:20.15 | johnnymugs | DotHack, oh yeah, why didn't I think of that...? |
| 23:20.20 | DotHack | johnnymugs: you will have to read you oem license for more details |
| 23:20.33 | johnnymugs | DotHack, word, thanks |
| 23:20.56 | DotHack | johnnymugs: np. happy to help someone run linux hehe |
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| 23:22.42 | delpht | I think this can be some problem on X11 drive output, could you help me with it? |
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| 23:33.08 | skilz | how do I change back to fluxbox to stop xfce loading when I type 'startx'? |
| 23:34.13 | extraclassic | I think that's in the .xinitrc file |
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| 23:34.58 | skilz | wheres that file? |
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| 23:36.15 | skilz | hello? |
| 23:36.22 | skilz | where is everyone? |
| 23:36.24 | lechienkitu | yes ? |
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| 23:38.46 | MrFrood | skilz: start by checking your .xinitrc |
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| 23:41.39 | MrFrood | skilz: if nothing there then check the x-window-manager setting in the alternatives system |
| 23:42.18 | Seth_Hikaru | My xserver froze on password screen. |
| 23:42.36 | delpht | hi guys, I have a problem. When I open some video on terminal, using vlc, I see this log: http://paste.debian.net/122026/ |
| 23:42.58 | delpht | and my video doesn't appear |
| 23:43.04 | delpht | only a black screen |
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| 23:43.25 | Seth_Hikaru | I was vncing in and I was banging my keyboard around and think I did something. |
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| 23:44.26 | Seth_Hikaru | Any ideas? |
| 23:44.44 | Seth_Hikaru | I could restart but I don't wanna lose my nyan cat time. |
| 23:44.47 | ahammond | what is best practice for handling configuration of rsyslog? I see /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf which contains a lines for debug and messages, and I want to add local0.none to both of these... do I simply create a 75-postgresql.conf for this and override the existing definitions? |
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| 23:55.09 | skilz | MrFrood: I have no .xinitrc in my ~ dir |
| 23:56.56 | skilz | also I done 'apt-get remove xfce4' but when I 'startx' it still loads xfce |
| 23:57.18 | winter | skilz: because xfce4 is a metapackage |
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| 23:57.38 | skilz | whats that mean? |
| 23:57.44 | winter | run autoremove to get rid of orphaned packagesa |
| 23:57.55 | skilz | I did that |
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| 23:57.57 | winter | skilz: a dummy package that only pulld dependencies |
| 23:58.03 | winter | pulls* |
| 23:58.20 | skilz | I done apt-get autoremove xfce4 |
| 23:58.27 | winter | no |
| 23:58.32 | winter | you're doing it wrong |
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| 23:59.01 | winter | apt-get remove xfce4 && apt-get autoremove |
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| 23:59.09 | winter | if you really want to remove it |
| 23:59.12 | skilz | yep |
| 23:59.25 | winter | and if you have no ~/.xinitrc then create one |
| 23:59.30 | skilz | so that fluxbox will start again |
| 23:59.39 | simonlnu | !metapackage |
| 23:59.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 23:59.47 | simonlnu | skilz: ^^ |
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| 23:59.59 | winter | skilz: echo 'exec startfluxbox' > ~/.xinitrc |