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| 00:00.10 | winter | from your regular use account |
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| 00:08.48 | rubin110 | I'm trying to edit custom_format for the Gnome Panel Clock, but my changes don't stick? |
| 00:08.53 | lenswipe | can someone help out with an error im getting |
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| 00:09.10 | lenswipe | im getting an fopen: permission denied error when i do apt-get upgrade on vanilla debian 5.03 |
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| 00:09.15 | lenswipe | anyone got any ideas? |
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| 00:12.04 | peterrooney | lenswipe: Oh, so it's not just me... |
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| 00:33.50 | scx | hello |
| 00:33.58 | lechienkitu | hello |
| 00:34.05 | scx | i have smartbook with ARM CPU |
| 00:34.19 | simonlnu | that's nice |
| 00:34.22 | scx | i want to install Debian Linux on this |
| 00:34.33 | lechienkitu | do it. |
| 00:34.38 | simonlnu | get cd or usb, be happy |
| 00:34.44 | lechienkitu | :) |
| 00:34.49 | scx | what version of Debian i should try? |
| 00:34.53 | lechienkitu | 6 |
| 00:35.04 | lechienkitu | go to debian website and dl the first iso :) |
| 00:35.10 | scx | simonlnu: i dont have cdrom |
| 00:35.27 | scx | i have two USB ports and MMC flash card reader |
| 00:35.37 | simonlnu | that's not the only thing i mentioned... |
| 00:35.53 | scx | should i dd if=image of=myflashcard? |
| 00:35.53 | lechienkitu | :) |
| 00:36.05 | infinity_ | anyone know how to get kernel config files for debian without installing the kernel packages? |
| 00:36.13 | lechienkitu | take your usb disk, use unetbootin if you're on windows, and enjoy :) |
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| 00:36.45 | scx | lechienkitu: it has only 300-400 MHz ARM CPU |
| 00:36.52 | simonlnu | infinity_: unpack the deb somewhere. man dpkg (hint: -x) |
| 00:36.54 | scx | is linux 2.6 good idea? |
| 00:36.58 | simonlnu | !ig |
| 00:36.59 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 00:37.08 | scx | it has preinstalled WinCE or Android |
| 00:37.16 | infinity_ | simonlnu: ick. thats a big downlaod for such a small file :) |
| 00:37.19 | simonlnu | scx: 2.6 has been stable for years |
| 00:37.34 | infinity_ | simonlnu: i'll try it. |
| 00:37.35 | scx | simonlnu: i know, that it is stable |
| 00:37.48 | scx | i use Debian stable and testing on my PCs |
| 00:38.02 | lechienkitu | scx: now you're running on windows ? |
| 00:38.08 | scx | i am afraid about performance |
| 00:38.31 | scx | lechienkitu: no, i have Android 1.6/2.2 |
| 00:38.48 | lechienkitu | scx: .. Are you on your phone ? |
| 00:38.51 | scx | http://tinyurl.com/63q83jg |
| 00:39.02 | scx | lechienkitu: ^^ |
| 00:39.06 | lechienkitu | Because Android on PC.. Don't know o_O |
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| 00:39.14 | simonlnu | scx: uh, android is linux-based |
| 00:39.32 | scx | simonlnu: so? how to install X11 on Android |
| 00:39.42 | lechienkitu | So, if you want (when you'll are on your pc) go to debian's website. There is all what you want ;) |
| 00:39.54 | simonlnu | why wouldi know that? go google it. |
| 00:40.23 | scx | simonlnu: so you didnt know, but answering my question |
| 00:40.27 | babilen | scx: #android might be worth a try. |
| 00:40.29 | scx | intresting |
| 00:40.37 | scx | babilen: i dont want Android |
| 00:40.46 | scx | i want to install linux |
| 00:40.54 | scx | question is: which linux |
| 00:41.06 | babilen | "How to install X11 on Android" sounded like that -- /me reads backlog |
| 00:41.06 | lechienkitu | simonlnu: linux-based, so linux is writed on C, right ? Why Android cans running soft just on Java ? :/ |
| 00:41.13 | winter | scx: o/ |
| 00:41.54 | simonlnu | why are you asking me? ask an android channel... |
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| 00:42.28 | simonlnu | points at the "debian" in the channel name |
| 00:42.41 | lechienkitu | simonlnu: there are android devs on #android ? And.. I don't want know it :) |
| 00:42.48 | babilen | scx: Well, what stops you from installing Debian? -- /msg dpkg usb install |
| 00:42.52 | scx | simonlnu: because you answered on my prev. questions |
| 00:43.23 | simonlnu | yeh, but i'm not a dictionary or encyclopaedia ;) |
| 00:43.27 | scx | babilen: i afraid, that Debian 6 will run very slowly on that smartbook |
| 00:43.30 | lechienkitu | okay |
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| 00:43.54 | lechienkitu | but you speak about android's base.. So I ask a question.. :p |
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| 00:43.58 | lechienkitu | + about android xD |
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| 00:44.38 | scx | lechienkitu: i have smartbook with preinstalled Android. like notebook with preinstalled Windows 7 |
| 00:44.42 | babilen | scx: That might be the case, but you can almost certainly run a lightweight window manager or even desktop environment. You'll have to try it, we can't tell you. Cyanogenmod (#cyanogenmod) *might* be an option if your smartbook is supported. |
| 00:44.51 | lechienkitu | if anyone don't understand me, say to me. I'm learning english. |
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| 00:45.56 | simonlnu | well i think that all depends on what you put on it, not whether or not it's a linux kernel ;). |
| 00:46.14 | scx | babilen: ok, i dont wont any Andoid-based OS, it may be good for phone, tablet, but not for smartbook/netbook |
| 00:46.47 | lechienkitu | oh and, no shell, no python interpreter, android puts nothong of linux >< |
| 00:46.50 | lechienkitu | nothing |
| 00:47.13 | babilen | scx: Sure, try Debian in that case. I would recommend a lightweight window manager such as fluxbox, awesomewm, dwm, xmonad or wmii -- If you want a desktop environment LXDE and XFCE are worth a try. |
| 00:47.30 | lechienkitu | Android is good for phone, just it no other. |
| 00:48.37 | scx | so if i dd if=/path/to/debian/netinstall of=/my/multimedia/card it should work, right? |
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| 00:50.31 | s3a | I'm trying to run a Hello world JOGL program in Debian using the JOGL library from Debian's repositories but geany (the text editor) doesn't detect it): 1) http://pastebin.com/FBgsU7zc 2) http://pastebin.com/cEufrjsz 3) http://pastebin.com/hCTnzRDf Could someone please help me run this Hello world program successfully? (/usr/lib/jni/libjogl.so did not exist prior to the installation of libjogl-java from Debian's repositories) |
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| 00:53.47 | lechienkitu | what's smartbook ? No smartphone ? |
| 00:54.26 | lechienkitu | like netbook ? |
| 00:55.33 | lechienkitu | On wikipedia I'm seeing that it's a melange of netbook and smartphone.. And I like it :D There isn't it in France :o |
| 00:56.08 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:56.31 | scx | lechienkitu: smartbook is similar to notebook, but it hasnt x86 CPU |
| 00:56.44 | dvs | huh? |
| 00:56.47 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:57.30 | lechienkitu | why these "huh" ? |
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| 00:58.52 | winter | lechienkitu: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=huh |
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| 01:00.33 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:00.33 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:00.37 | lechienkitu | so, i'm not surprised of this definition. Okay :p |
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| 01:02.13 | lechienkitu | I think that I'll learn english rapidly |
| 01:02.22 | madbovine | Anyone in here use elementary os? |
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| 01:02.32 | simonlnu | no |
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| 01:04.14 | madbovine | K just wondering...what about bodhi! |
| 01:04.18 | madbovine | ? |
| 01:04.49 | lechienkitu | bodhi ? |
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| 01:06.03 | streuner | no |
| 01:08.04 | casts | hey all, so i have an older box (DDR2, PATA, 32bit, mobo made in 2003) that i'm trying to get linux to boot on, even an initrd would be good enough |
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| 01:09.05 | casts | it has no cdrom. i can't get either my 4GB USB stick with debian-live nor my 8GB with mini.iso on it to boot, despite selecting usb-zip, usb-hdd, usb-cdrom, usb-floppy, in the bios |
| 01:09.31 | streuner | dpkg, ruby goldberg install |
| 01:09.32 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, streuner |
| 01:09.42 | casts | it does have a floppy disk drive, but i suspect i won't be able to find any floppies anywhere, not sure if the shops here still sell them |
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| 01:09.58 | streuner | dpkg, rube goldberg install |
| 01:09.58 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 01:10.11 | dvs | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:10.13 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 01:10.22 | madbovine | Yes bodhi...ubuntu based distribution that uses enlightenment |
| 01:10.47 | mythomaniac_ | the time nears where no man will deny what is before him, and when that time comes many will seel death and will not find it |
| 01:10.56 | casts | the bios does have a boot from network option, so i thought maybe setting up a PXEboot environment is one option. any other ideas? theres also a windows xp install on the hard drive, but there is no internet connectivity though i could copy stuff on with a usb drive. i want to boot it off an initrd so i can nuke hda so i can sell it second hand |
| 01:11.06 | casts | any ideas? |
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| 01:11.50 | dvs | casts: It should work if you dd the image onto the USB stick and then use usb-hdd to boot it. |
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| 01:12.02 | casts | dvs: it should, but doesn't |
| 01:12.08 | mythomaniac_ | seel = seek |
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| 01:12.29 | dvs | casts: What command did you use to dd the image to the USB stick? |
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| 01:12.39 | casts | # dd if=mini.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 01:12.40 | mythomaniac_ | wow, wrong room sorrt |
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| 01:13.06 | dvs | oh, I've never used the mini.iso image |
| 01:13.24 | casts | well, debian-live-squeeze-i386-gnome-desktop.img has the same fate |
| 01:13.40 | casts | confirmed to be bootable, too |
| 01:13.47 | casts | [on another computer sadly] |
| 01:13.58 | dvs | casts: I don't think either one of those images will work. |
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| 01:14.33 | casts | target host bios too old? |
| 01:14.54 | dvs | casts: Why didn't you use the netinst image? |
| 01:14.55 | dvs | or the first CD? |
| 01:15.00 | casts | how? |
| 01:15.40 | streuner | casts: why? |
| 01:16.13 | streuner | casts: why do you need to install an OS at all on this kind of "box"? |
| 01:16.43 | casts | streuner: i want to wipe hda |
| 01:16.57 | dvs | casts: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:17.07 | casts | and that box is the only thing in the house left with a PATA interface |
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| 01:23.13 | vipersniper | Anyone here own a pioneer vsx-32 receiver :) |
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| 01:24.50 | dvs | !anyone |
| 01:24.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 01:25.21 | stew | something tells me this isn't debian related anyway |
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| 01:26.54 | tharkun | Gentlemen i have transmission-gtk busting a lenny->squeeze upgrade. Any know about it? |
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| 01:28.55 | abrotman | tharkun: pastebin might help |
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| 01:29.13 | stew | hopefully if we knew about it, the bts would as well |
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| 01:30.01 | casts | i'm going to give the pxe boot options a go |
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| 01:34.38 | tharkun | abrotman: how can i know where did apt-get dist-upgrade got stuck? |
| 01:34.56 | abrotman | it tells you ? |
| 01:35.01 | tharkun | no |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | or use the 'script' command and put it in a file |
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| 01:35.37 | tharkun | too late for that |
| 01:35.58 | abrotman | it won't fail again ? |
| 01:36.10 | tharkun | re isuing apt-get dist-upgrade would retake the process where it was left? |
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| 01:36.57 | abrotman | it would try |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | or tell you to dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:37.36 | tharkun | Uninstalling gnome seemed to fix the problem. Or at least it is no longer complaining :) |
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| 01:38.24 | abrotman | i'm sure |
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| 01:48.31 | tharkun | abrotman: it was something about some postinst script and then also about a postrm script. I didn't payed much atention to it. But i have a few more clients to upgrade. Any special instructions to log the sessions? |
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| 02:08.57 | buhman | is there any idea when python 2.6 will be completely removed? |
| 02:09.14 | abrotman | from what? |
| 02:09.16 | buhman | from sid/wheezy |
| 02:09.17 | buhman | sorry |
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| 02:09.54 | lahwran | wtf dependencies? trying to install mysql-server mysql-client and it wants exim4 ._. |
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| 02:10.25 | lkthomas | does anyone config keepalived on NAT mode before ? |
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| 02:14.49 | karlpinc | lahwran: Try "aptitude -R install ..." if you don't want recommended packages. (You really should have some sort of mta on your box.) |
| 02:15.03 | karlpinc | !tell lkthomas about anyone |
| 02:15.19 | lahwran | karlpinc: I'm using apt-get |
| 02:15.31 | lahwran | is aptitude-phobic |
| 02:15.32 | cusco | lahwran: there is a reasong for mysql server requiring a MTA |
| 02:15.39 | buhman | lahwran: that's silly |
| 02:15.41 | lahwran | I'm sure there is |
| 02:15.45 | cusco | just install it as a light daemon |
| 02:15.55 | lahwran | I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with it, I was just surprised |
| 02:16.01 | cusco | :) |
| 02:16.19 | lahwran | buhman: aptitude's output looks funny after using apt-get for years >.> |
| 02:16.21 | cusco | !why an mta |
| 02:16.21 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>. |
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| 02:31.40 | qop | omg... this is the oddest thing ever... I can cat this config file.... but can not open it with any app? o.o |
| 02:32.10 | qop | emacs myfile = unable to open... less myfile unable to open?? cat myfile and theres output... |
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| 02:33.23 | qop | scratches |
| 02:33.35 | winter | qop: nice nickname |
| 02:33.51 | lechienkitu | x) |
| 02:33.55 | winter | qop: maybe you're doing something wrong |
| 02:34.10 | winter | i guess... permisions? |
| 02:34.26 | qop | winter: symetry rocks skcor yrtemys |
| 02:34.27 | winter | permitions* |
| 02:34.42 | qop | winter: no idea what... im root and have done 777 chmod |
| 02:34.53 | winter | stange |
| 02:35.00 | winter | what is this file? |
| 02:35.00 | qop | why cant open the file with emacs but can cat it... makes no sense |
| 02:35.14 | qop | just an apache config file |
| 02:35.16 | winter | try another editor maybe.. like vim |
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| 02:35.30 | gnarface | qop: munged your emacs install perhaps? |
| 02:35.37 | stew | and his less install? |
| 02:35.41 | gnarface | qop: can you open any other file with emacs? |
| 02:35.44 | qop | winter: but less fails too |
| 02:35.49 | stew | qop: i'd strace it with less |
| 02:35.51 | qop | kwrite too |
| 02:35.56 | stew | qop: can you show us theoutput of "ls -l /path/to/file"? |
| 02:36.08 | winter | qop: do fsck then |
| 02:36.11 | stew | qop: and perhaps check "lsattr /path/to/file" while you are at it |
| 02:36.38 | qop | yes... will check it...most likely something on the FS cause I just did open it as usual 5 mins ago |
| 02:36.48 | stew | strace should give us a more precise error |
| 02:36.51 | qop | gnarface: naw :) |
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| 02:38.14 | qop | stew: -rwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 4980 Jul 5 20:54 |
| 02:38.58 | winter | qpdbqp |
| 02:39.14 | stew | no filename? |
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| 02:39.51 | stew | qop: you should set the permissions to something sane like 644 |
| 02:40.08 | stew | i have a feeling you don't need this modifiable by everyone or executable |
| 02:40.21 | qop | stew: oh yes... point is... but it should open! |
| 02:40.23 | qop | ! |
| 02:40.34 | stew | qop: what about lsattr |
| 02:40.38 | lkthomas | how could I set default gateway on keepalived config file ? |
| 02:40.54 | qop | winter: asymethhtemysa thas ist |
| 02:41.12 | qop | stew: -------------e- |
| 02:41.38 | casts | well, i'm trying to get pxebooting working. i've got a dhcp server up and a tftp server up, though the computer times out on getting pxelinux.0, i can however on the tftp server open up tftp and get it, in tcpdump that looks like this "IP localhost.60901 > localhost.tftp: 22 RRQ "pxelinux.0" netascii", i notice when the netboot client does it it looks like "192.168.1.70.2070 > 192.168.1.50.tftp: 27 RRQ "pxelinux.0" octet tsize 0", which gets no reply from tftp-hpa |
| 02:41.45 | stew | qop: what filesystem is this? |
| 02:41.55 | casts | that got cut off didn't it :( |
| 02:42.20 | qop | stew: ext4 over LVM |
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| 02:42.50 | stew | i'd still strace it to make sure this file is actually the one causig the problem |
| 02:43.32 | qop | strace less myfile = 393 read(3, |
| 02:43.40 | qop | whatever it is... |
| 02:43.48 | stew | what does that mean? |
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| 02:44.01 | qop | dunno, thats my output lol |
| 02:44.26 | qop | have tomention I havent use strace before... |
| 02:44.43 | stew | qop: you want to use -o to send it to another file, then look at that file |
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| 02:44.51 | stew | or pastebin it somewhere |
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| 02:45.16 | qop | stew: strace less myfile | less... ok pastibining |
| 02:45.40 | stew | no, not strace less myfile | less |
| 02:45.51 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 02:46.00 | lenswipe | someone here pointed me in the way of iredmail |
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| 02:46.18 | lenswipe | im having SMTP issues with it D: |
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| 02:46.34 | qop | stew: confussed |
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| 02:46.57 | lenswipe | SMTP Error (550): Failed to add recipient "admin@domain.com" (5.1.0 : Sender address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table) |
| 02:47.00 | lenswipe | can someone help with that? |
| 02:47.37 | qop | stew: ooooooh... nvm... |
| 02:48.25 | qop | :p oops..... the file DOES open... its just that the cherokee editor left like 50 lines of blank... so when you open it looks empty... |
| 02:48.34 | qop | silly... |
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| 02:53.08 | qop | awaits for somebody to 'lol' |
| 02:53.22 | winter | lol |
| 02:53.24 | nevyn | !lol |
| 02:53.24 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 02:53.36 | qop | feels less embarrassed... ty |
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| 02:55.08 | winter | qop: like it bit**? :-P |
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| 03:05.36 | lenswipe | where is iptables config in debian? |
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| 03:07.25 | gnarface | lenswipe: lots of people just manage it themselves directly or with hand-created scripts. what you want is a list of commonly used front-ends for iptables. sadly i do not have that list for you, sorry :( |
| 03:07.41 | lenswipe | gnarface, what i want is the location of the config file. where is it? |
| 03:08.34 | gnarface | lenswipe: iptables itself doesn't *have* a config file in that sense. this is what i'm trying to tell you. there ARE front-ends that will store its config, but to see your actual current config you type other iptables commands, like iptables -L (for example) |
| 03:08.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | lenswipe: there isn't one |
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| 03:08.43 | winter | lenswipe: i didn't know either. i use a simple script file in /etc/init.d |
| 03:08.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnarface: ++ |
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| 03:08.58 | lenswipe | there must be somewhere where i can input rules or some way of adding rules |
| 03:09.07 | lenswipe | and i dont mean a GUI |
| 03:09.14 | lenswipe | i mean a command line method for adding rules |
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| 03:09.36 | gnarface | lenswipe: there is. its built into iptables. just read the man page |
| 03:09.53 | lenswipe | fuck me |
| 03:09.59 | winter | nope thanx |
| 03:10.17 | lenswipe | lets say i wanted to set up a firewall rule for your porn server or whatever the fuck you have |
| 03:10.35 | gnarface | lenswipe: check the man page for the -A option (-A for append, i believe) |
| 03:10.40 | lenswipe | technically speaking gnarface what would i have to type into the fucking terminal to add a firewall rule |
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| 03:10.50 | lenswipe | quit the wordga......fuck iot |
| 03:10.52 | lenswipe | it* |
| 03:10.55 | Matias_ | Hello |
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| 03:11.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | no loss |
| 03:11.07 | Jarvis | sighs |
| 03:11.13 | winter | ragequit :-D |
| 03:11.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | Matias_: hello |
| 03:11.21 | gnarface | i tried to word it as plainly as possible |
| 03:11.30 | gnarface | he's making it harder in his head than it has to be |
| 03:11.32 | winter | #debian makes people rage |
| 03:11.34 | Jarvis | some people need to learn we won't hand them everything on a silver platter :( |
| 03:11.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnarface: i suspect you didn't allow him to be as lazy as he hoped |
| 03:12.03 | gnarface | i kinda thought i DID hand it to him on a silver platter |
| 03:12.06 | Matias_ | I'm about to buy an USB sound card. does you know any good one? (good in terms of how easy it's to install and how many problems I will have to use it) |
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| 03:12.22 | gnarface | they make usb soundcards now? |
| 03:12.23 | nevyn | Matias_: what do you want it for? |
| 03:12.29 | gnarface | terrifying |
| 03:12.35 | nevyn | has one he's happyish with |
| 03:12.51 | Matias_ | I need one since the computer I'm right now doesn't have one |
| 03:13.01 | Matias_ | actually it does but it's not working, it's broken :| |
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| 03:13.35 | nevyn | what do you want to do with it? (play youtube and mythtv) surroundsound? record guitars and play performous? |
| 03:13.53 | benedikt | is there a way i can search files provided in packages with aptitude? |
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| 03:14.13 | abrotman | !tell benedikt about apt-file |
| 03:14.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | benedikt: no. apt-file (or dpkg -S for installed packages) |
| 03:14.16 | Matias_ | oh no, I just need it to listen things.. I don't have professional requirements :P |
| 03:14.38 | nevyn | Matias_: ah. behringer UA-401 should set you back about $30 ? |
| 03:15.05 | gnarface | Matias_: what happened to the built-in soundcard? is it known dead? if its an alsa config issue, buying a new audio device won't necessarily solve the problem |
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| 03:15.08 | nevyn | has a couple of rca outs and toslink optical if you wnat to hook to a home theater reciever. |
| 03:15.09 | benedikt | abrotman: danke |
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| 03:15.53 | Matias_ | gnarface, I believe it's not working at all. it crash randomly and I tried from a live CD and it's the same |
| 03:16.05 | Matias_ | sometimes it works but then suddenly you can't hear anything |
| 03:16.14 | Matias_ | crashes* |
| 03:16.24 | gnarface | weird |
| 03:16.46 | Matias_ | well, it's not so weird if you assume it's broken :P |
| 03:16.54 | gnarface | true |
| 03:17.22 | Matias_ | so... I will try to find a behringer UA-401, thank you all! |
| 03:17.48 | nevyn | Matias_: umm |
| 03:17.58 | nevyn | Matias_: UCA222 is what I should of said |
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| 03:18.05 | nevyn | brain failed on the model no. |
| 03:18.11 | Matias_ | ok.. no problem hehe |
| 03:18.46 | lkthomas | does anyone know why keepalived often change backup node to master ? |
| 03:19.49 | nevyn | Matias_: failing that any cheap chinese USB soundcard that's class compliant (all the stinking cheap stuff) will work. |
| 03:20.33 | gnarface | i like the creative labs ones because even the low end ones have hardware full-duplex audio muxing/demuxing capabilities. makes alsa alot easier to manage |
| 03:20.51 | nevyn | meh pulse fixes that. |
| 03:21.02 | gnarface | nevyn: sometimes it stutters though |
| 03:21.10 | nevyn | not for me. |
| 03:21.23 | gnarface | nevyn: try playing an mp3 while voiping on a blizzard game |
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| 03:21.42 | gnarface | (with sound quality cranked to high in the game) |
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| 03:22.25 | gnarface | i guess i'm speaking in respect to pci and onboard cards. i actually have 0 experience with USB audio devices so i'll shut up |
| 03:23.29 | nevyn | so I suspect the issue is likely to be the app/soundapi used by the game is more demanding that it really needs to be. |
| 03:24.03 | nevyn | the thing that usually goes wrong with pulse is something emulating a DMA soundcard badly |
| 03:24.24 | gnarface | hmm. interesting |
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| 03:26.03 | nevyn | are you playing the blizzard game in wine? |
| 03:26.55 | abrotman | oh, thanks for reminding me! Caesar II tomorrow! |
| 03:27.03 | abrotman | I'm so old :( |
| 03:27.53 | blackshirt | how to make jail on freebsd ? |
| 03:28.02 | gnarface | nevyn: yea. i'm sure that could compound the issue, but its a problem i've had outside of wine and with alsa as well. its just that with alsa i was eventually able to figure out how to route around it |
| 03:28.05 | blackshirt | i mean debian kfreebsd ... |
| 03:28.08 | blackshirt | sorry |
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| 03:30.29 | Matias_ | nevyn, by the way, is there any package to instal the sound card? I bet it doesn't have official Linux drivers |
| 03:31.03 | Matias_ | install* |
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| 03:33.35 | nevyn | Matias_: plug in. play sound be happy. |
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| 03:33.58 | nevyn | Matias_: UAC (usb audio class) is supported by everything these days. |
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| 03:34.25 | nevyn | Matias_: if you can't find the behringer find something that says "no drivers required" for macos and windows xp or later |
| 03:34.46 | Matias_ | ok, thanks! |
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| 03:36.02 | nevyn | Matias_: as long as you don't try more than 2 channels duplex at 48/16bit you're almost certain to get a TI Burrbrown DAC in a brightly coloured plastic box that just works |
| 03:36.32 | nevyn | Matias_: the color of the pastic box has no impact on driver support ;) |
| 03:36.44 | Matias_ | by no more than 2 channels? I already saw many with 8 channels |
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| 03:37.19 | Matias_ | I'm sorry, I meant: why no more..? |
| 03:37.37 | Matias_ | (it's too late here u.u) |
| 03:38.38 | nevyn | Matias_: 2 channel duplex 48kHz 16bit is pretty much the limit for USB 1.1 bandwidth |
| 03:39.12 | Matias_ | just as an example: http://img2.mlstatic.com/s_MLU_v_O_f_22452718_1979.jpg |
| 03:39.26 | nevyn | UAC2 (usb Audio Class ver2) support is somewhat more shaky the driver support is in linux the devices don't implement the standard properly |
| 03:39.31 | Matias_ | it says 7.1, doesn't it means it has 8 channels? |
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| 03:40.15 | nevyn | yes it does. |
| 03:40.17 | nevyn | but. |
| 03:40.38 | nevyn | it won't be that well supported UAC1 TI DAC chip and may notwork. |
| 03:40.49 | Matias_ | (it's pretty cheap in fact) |
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| 03:40.51 | Matias_ | oh, I see |
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| 04:06.51 | kingsley | Does apt-get (install) use a plug-in that a.) checks the package(s) being installed for bug reports, and b.) can be disabled? |
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| 04:07.18 | wols_ | kingsley: apt-listbugs |
| 04:08.05 | xovan | could you clarify a bit, do you want to disable buggy packages or do you want to install buggy packages? |
| 04:08.14 | wols_ | kingsley: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 04:08.46 | kingsley | xovan: I'd like apt-get to stop checking for bug reports. |
| 04:09.09 | wols_ | then remove the package i told you about or check the directory |
| 04:09.28 | kingsley | wols_: I'll check it out... |
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| 04:19.03 | kingsley | Is there a package which emails the administrator when a new debian security advisory recommends upgrading a certain package? |
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| 04:20.16 | xovan | you mean like having mutt email you if you have an update available? |
| 04:20.57 | peterrooney | kingsley: maybe there is, but I just subscribe to the mailing list. |
| 04:21.24 | kingsley | peterrooney: How busy is that mailing list? |
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| 04:22.29 | kingsley | peterrooney: It seems to me that it would be nice to only receive DSAs for packages that are installed. |
| 04:22.52 | peterrooney | kingsley: eight in the past week |
| 04:23.26 | peterrooney | none in the week before that. |
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| 04:24.46 | kingsley | Maybe debsecan... |
| 04:26.18 | xovan | kingsley, here is how to get mutt to send an email from the commandline |
| 04:26.21 | xovan | http://tinyurl.com/yhfy6ok |
| 04:26.51 | kingsley | wols_: I'm happy to report that purging apt-listbugs seems to have worked. Thanks. |
| 04:27.14 | xovan | you can put together a shell script to get the update data and pipe it into a file which can be sent to an email address. |
| 04:27.45 | wols_ | kingsley: apt-cache search apt |grep apt|less |
| 04:27.56 | wols_ | kingsley: and you will see what you want |
| 04:28.08 | wols_ | xovan: no need |
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| 04:29.00 | xovan | k |
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| 04:31.35 | kingsley | What's unstable's release code name now (aka "sid")? |
| 04:31.52 | gnarface | it is still sid |
| 04:31.59 | wols_ | it's still sid and always will be |
| 04:32.23 | wols_ | kingsley: you don't want to use any sid repos |
| 04:32.26 | kingsley | I find it interesting and convenient that unstable==sid. |
| 04:33.57 | kingsley | wols_: FWIW, the "debsecan" package evidently emails vulnerability reports for release code names (like "sid"), but not temporal names (like "unstable"). |
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| 04:41.48 | valdyn | calling this "vulnerability report" is misleading -> vulnerabilities arent reported except indirectlry when theres a fix reported |
| 04:42.11 | valdyn | and sid has debian security support since when? |
| 04:44.19 | buhman | kingsley: in a way "sid" is a temporal name... |
| 04:44.38 | valdyn | buhman: in which way? |
| 04:45.13 | buhman | valdyn: in that it always means unstable, whereas the rest of the names correspond to an actual release |
| 04:46.12 | valdyn | buhman: the "temporal" part eludes me |
| 04:46.37 | buhman | valdyn: sorry, I forgot to quote temporal: I was re-using kingsley's word |
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| 04:47.02 | buhman | valdyn: to answer your question, I'm not sure what he meant by "temporal" either |
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| 04:49.10 | valdyn | kingsley: its a release state, which is "temporal" in the cases of testing and stable as those repositories may change state, unstable is not temporal |
| 04:50.11 | Wyzard | unstable changes state every day |
| 04:50.21 | Wyzard | It's the label "unstable" that doesn't change what it refers to (always sid) |
| 04:50.47 | valdyn | Wyzard: just what I said ( or tried to express anyway ;) ) |
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| 04:51.09 | Wyzard | You did, I was just replying to the most recent lines without reading the whole history, sorry :-) |
| 04:51.11 | somiaj | valdyn: security fixes always target teh stable version via security.debian.org while sid gets the upstream patch and filters in as packages usually do. In most cases it gets the security fix about as quickly -- testing on the other hand has to wait for the security update to filter though sid. |
| 04:51.47 | Wyzard | somiaj: That's what concerns me about the "rolling release" idea |
| 04:52.17 | Wyzard | Declaring testing to be release-ish is worthless if it doesn't get security support |
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| 04:53.09 | somiaj | is debian actually considering that? One of my reasons for using debian is its stance on its stable release -- though since I only run desktops thesedays and not servers I just use sid. |
| 04:53.31 | buhman | Wyzard: isn't it only a few more days before wheezy recieve's sid's updates? |
| 04:53.56 | Wyzard | That's a minimum |
| 04:54.09 | somiaj | buhman: its hard to judge how long a package sits in sid before it drops into wheezy, its more package dependent, some take a long time. |
| 04:54.10 | Wyzard | It can be a very long time if the version in sid has new RC bugs, or depends on other packages that do |
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| 04:58.56 | simonlnu | 10 days no rc bugs |
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| 05:01.53 | stew | (depending on severity) |
| 05:02.02 | stew | err priority |
| 05:02.57 | stew | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#testing |
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| 05:04.41 | simonlnu | ding :) |
| 05:05.55 | stew | (the right answer was urgency, not priority or severity :) ) |
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| 05:17.35 | somiaj | so I have dns-nameservers 192.168.1.1 in my interfaces file, but when I bring up that device alias /etc/resolv.conf isn't changed, am I missing an option or do I need to write a simple script that changes that file when the device is brought up, via post-up or up command? |
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| 05:18.34 | gnarface | somiaj: do you have the resolvconf package installed? |
| 05:19.22 | Wyzard | or openresolv |
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| 05:20.33 | somiaj | no I have neither, are either of those packages that intrusive (really try to keep the number of gobetweens to a minimum) seems like a simple up script would be more efficent. |
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| 05:21.09 | Wyzard | They're the packages that implement support for the dns-nameservers directive in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:21.24 | Wyzard | You could write your own script, but it'd be much simpler to just use the ones already available |
| 05:21.59 | somiaj | allrighty, yea I was just reading the the packages also work with other daemons and such so just checking they weren't doing much more than updating resolv.conf |
| 05:22.07 | somiaj | but it explains why it wasn't working as expected, thanks. |
| 05:22.17 | Wyzard | What they do is centralize the updating of resolv.conf |
| 05:22.52 | Wyzard | rather than each individual daemon doing its own overwriting of resolv.conf, ignorant of whatever else might want to customize that file, they all just tell resolvconf (or openresolv) about what they want added to the file |
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| 05:23.27 | Wyzard | and resolvconf/openresolv combines changes as appropriate |
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| 05:23.29 | somiaj | cool, well that is what I was missing, any suggestion on resolvconf vs openresolv |
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| 05:24.01 | Wyzard | I think resolvconf is the original and openresolv is a reimplementation, but I don't know what the difference is |
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| 06:48.51 | invisiblehero | Hey is there a way of determining where the packet gets dropped? Because I can't listen on ports and I've used UFW to allow the ports and also even tried IPTABLES command and it still doesn't allow connections. The router allows the port to go forward though (I have the logs proving it) |
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| 06:49.03 | invisiblehero | it like automatically drops once it hits the computer |
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| 06:51.19 | Bushmills | check with netstat whether service is listening to the proper interface. as you -A the -j ACCEPT firewall rule, make sure there is no -j DROP before. |
| 06:52.01 | invisiblehero | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8088 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 06:54.45 | jbb | sorry for the stupid question guys, how do i tell the wheezy netinst to install xfce? |
| 06:55.20 | somiaj | jbb: I prefer to install a base system then just add what I want via aptitude/apt-get after the netinstall finishes installing the base system |
| 06:55.21 | invisiblehero | and the iptables is http://pastebin.com/dXvVeFZU |
| 06:55.31 | Bushmills | check that your sources file has a mirror. use apititude or apt-getr |
| 06:55.33 | Bushmills | get |
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| 06:56.08 | jbb | somiaj: i tried that and after installing xfce i was still booting up to a terminal |
| 06:56.49 | Bushmills | invisiblehero: stop the service, put a listener on the port, for example with nc (netcat). telnet to it, verify that telnet input is echoed to screen. |
| 06:57.09 | invisiblehero | that's what I'm using.. |
| 06:59.04 | invisiblehero | Bushmills, I'm using netcat to test it |
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| 07:03.13 | jbb | somiaj ? |
| 07:03.20 | somiaj | jbb: I'm not sure if xfce comes with a display manager, but you should be able to run it via 'startx' |
| 07:03.37 | somiaj | jbb: if you want a display manager, use xdm, kdm or slim. I'm linking slim myself. |
| 07:04.19 | somiaj | jbb: but I would make sure you have xorg working and xface with startx before installing a dm |
| 07:05.14 | jbb | ah |
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| 07:09.30 | invisiblehero | bah, I don't think I'll be getting it working |
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| 07:11.18 | Bushmills | jbb: or check out qingy if you find a display manager to much overhead |
| 07:11.31 | jbb | i do not :) |
| 07:11.33 | Bushmills | (and startx too bothersome) |
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| 07:18.06 | Fudge | hi do /dev ojects have ownership, im getting this from a package and cant track down why. speechd: Error while openning the device in read/write mode 16,Device or resource busy |
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| 07:20.09 | gnarface | Fudge: yes, they do. in debian typically this type of error is caused because your user isn't in the groups you need by default |
| 07:20.43 | gnarface | Fudge: you might want to add yourself to the audio and video group. some people like to add themselvs to the cdrom group too but i hear this can be a security problem |
| 07:21.36 | gnarface | Fudge: well, actually its also possible to cause that problem if your card isn't capable of hardware multiplexing if you don't have alsa wired up right |
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| 07:22.35 | Fudge | gnarface am in the groups, the deivce is /dev/softsynth |
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| 07:23.27 | gnarface | Fudge: sorry i don't have specific knowledge about that one. do you happen to know if any other programs are using it currently? something may have say, locked it and then crashed, and if its not capable of taking multiple inputs you'd see this problem in that case as well |
| 07:23.51 | NoReflex | hello! which external sata controller do you recommend? I want to install it in my debian machine. It should have 8 SATA ports and should connect via a PCIe x8 port (AFAIK a PCIe x4 port would be limited to 8 Gbps). SATA3 would be a plus; in the future I would like to connect some SATA3 SSDs to it. |
| 07:23.57 | gnarface | Fudge: you can verify permissions on dev nodes like any other file though. paste us what ls -l /dev/softsynth outputs perhaps? |
| 07:24.28 | Fudge | gnarface i have thought of that, the only other thing im aware of is espeakup but this is speechd-up i am using and it should be the only one. im new at tracking down this kind of thing so may just be a long process |
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| 07:25.24 | gnarface | Fudge i believe the program "fuser" can give you the info you need, but i'm unsure of the syntax for checking files instead of network ports with it. you'd have to check the man page |
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| 07:26.16 | gnarface | Fudge: (fuser is a program specifically for telling you what processes/users are using specific device/network nodes) |
| 07:27.14 | Fudge | sounds good, but its at boot time im having the trouble |
| 07:27.19 | gnarface | Fudge: do be aware of the possibility that the driver module itself could have locked up and might need to be (force)reloaded, or in some rare cases the whole computer rebooted. |
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| 07:27.35 | gnarface | Fudge: this is preventing you from booting? |
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| 07:28.55 | Fudge | no the text to speech just does not start when i want it |
| 07:29.07 | Fudge | due to the error from log that it cant gain r/w access to dev/softsynth |
| 07:29.09 | gnarface | oh |
| 07:29.13 | gnarface | right |
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| 07:29.21 | Fudge | it starts round same time gdm does |
| 07:29.31 | Fudge | im reading the source now see if i can find something |
| 07:29.40 | gnarface | well is that where you gave up? it could just be starting too early. |
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| 07:29.51 | gnarface | Fudge: which debian version is this again? |
| 07:30.20 | Fudge | 6.0.2 squeeze stable |
| 07:30.28 | gnarface | fully updated i assume? |
| 07:30.29 | Fudge | with a 2.6.38 kernel |
| 07:30.33 | Fudge | yes |
| 07:30.56 | gnarface | i'm sorry i'm unfamiliar currently ... is that a backports kernel or is that the stock one for squeeze? |
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| 07:31.03 | Fudge | yes bp kernel |
| 07:31.16 | gnarface | hmm. i'd check bugreports for it on the device |
| 07:31.22 | gnarface | if you haven't already |
| 07:31.32 | Fudge | not a bad idea thanks |
| 07:31.39 | gnarface | but i'd also try reloading it after boot to see if that magically fixes it... |
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| 07:37.07 | Fudge | once everythings loaded its fine, startpar is the error retunred but i dont know what that means |
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| 07:37.47 | Fudge | oh pastebinit is down, ill try again shortly to show log |
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| 07:39.09 | Fudge | gnarface http://pastebin.com/zre6c7dR |
| 07:40.51 | gnarface | Fudge: is there an /etc/init.d/ script for that speechd thing? |
| 07:40.55 | Fudge | yes |
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| 07:41.19 | Fudge | http://pastebin.com/kYB2Pjw2 |
| 07:41.27 | gnarface | Fudge: what happens if you run: /etc/init.d/[scriptname] stop && /etc/init.d/[scriptname] start? |
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| 07:41.49 | gnarface | Fudge: (run that as root) |
| 07:41.59 | Fudge | and the source http://paste.ubuntu.com/638762/ |
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| 07:44.16 | Fudge | yeah its fine once the systems up, it could be a runlevel thing, its set to S02 if innserv pays attention to that |
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| 07:44.33 | gnarface | Fudge: uh.. what version of debian did you say you were using again? |
| 07:44.51 | xrfang | while I install mysql-server via apt-get, it ask me to set mysql root password, is there a way to suppress this dialog and use a user/pass via script, or just use some "default" so that I can change later via scripts? |
| 07:45.30 | Fudge | squeeze gnarface , in .c the read/write log is caused from this, if ((fd = open(SPEAKUP_DEVICE, O_RDWR)) < 0) |
| 07:46.09 | Fudge | is that the permissions of /dev/softsynth? crw------- 1 root root |
| 07:46.30 | Fudge | i dont know what c, crw is |
| 07:46.34 | gnarface | Fudge: 1) if you're secretly running ubuntu you're about to get burned at the stake, just fair warning 2) if its fine after boot that's a obvious boot order issue you can fix by making this thing start later in the boot process |
| 07:47.06 | gnarface | Fudge: here's what that line means: it means only root can read/write to that device. all other users will get a big middle finger |
| 07:47.23 | Fudge | im runnin gboth loL |
| 07:47.47 | Fudge | oh ok its a uid |
| 07:47.58 | gnarface | Fudge: ubuntu sucks. install debian maybe it will stop |
| 07:48.01 | Fudge | the init script tells it to run as root |
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| 07:48.54 | Fudge | im on debian, actually primarilly i use ubuntu as thats what vinux is in, linux for the blind. but im in the process of scripting the vinuxscripts for debian. last night i used the netinstaller with speech and this is a ground up build via scrips. it sux though that i cant get this speechd up to work to read the bootup messages |
| 07:49.08 | Fudge | debians faster but dont tell ubuntu :p |
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| 07:50.27 | gnarface | Fudge: as far as i can tell from what you told me, the only problem is you've got that speechd thing starting before its required devices (audio subsystem perhaps?) starts. should be a simple fix in any linux distro... just make that script start later in the boot sequence |
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| 07:52.36 | ugly_duck | nvidia driver install? |
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| 07:53.12 | Fudge | ok gnarface ill give it a go |
| 07:53.31 | Fudge | how do u actually do that with debian now, its insserv im told or imsserv |
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| 07:53.43 | erufu | hi |
| 07:54.18 | gnarface | Fudge: there is a proper insserv way but i don't know it yet. i think changing the symlinks in the old System-V way will still be respected but don't quote me on that |
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| 07:54.36 | Fudge | ill try it out |
| 07:55.01 | gnarface | ugly_duck: there is a package nvidia-kernel-dkms or something like that i believe. ask the bot about it |
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| 07:59.17 | Fudge | oh gosh 17 packages to get dpk-dev |
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| 07:59.31 | Carlitos__ | hi all |
| 07:59.45 | Carlitos__ | is it possible to install debian in a windows seven so |
| 07:59.46 | Carlitos__ | ¡ |
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| 08:00.32 | gnarface | Carlitos__: probably. not in any way supported here but maybe if you're feeling really destructive and don't want to take the time to do things the right way you could check out goodbye-windows.com |
| 08:01.03 | Carlitos__ | gnarface: it is for my daugher |
| 08:01.54 | gnarface | Carlitos__: then you owe it to her to learn to do it the right way. this would preclude any interaction with windows aside from using it to burn the downloaded debian installer to a CD-ROM or USB key |
| 08:02.40 | Carlitos__ | gnarface: I used a cd debian testing amd64 but get me an error |
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| 08:03.04 | Fudge | did it say "hey, this is not a 64bit system, go download an i386 iso" |
| 08:03.23 | Fudge | then in a pretty blue screen reboot loop |
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| 08:03.31 | LiENUS | trying microcode_ctl to update a xeon's microcode, i get messages in dmesg when doing modprobe microcode but loading the firmware with microcode_ctl -u doesnt put anything else into the kernel log |
| 08:03.39 | gnarface | Carlitos__: testing and unstable installers are often broken. many would say they are THERE to BE broken. use the stable (currently squeeze) one by default and upgrade from there if necessary |
| 08:03.42 | LiENUS | isnt it supposed to even if it doesnt update? |
| 08:03.49 | Carlitos__ | this windows seven is 64 bits also |
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| 08:03.53 | Carlitos__ | squeeze |
| 08:03.56 | Carlitos__ | I try that |
| 08:03.58 | Carlitos__ | :D |
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| 08:04.36 | Carlitos__ | all cds of my daughter are for winodws sucks |
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| 08:05.40 | guzu | hello all |
| 08:05.52 | guzu | how can i list the packages installed by a metapackage? |
| 08:06.15 | simonlnu | !apt-cache |
| 08:06.16 | dpkg | apt-cache is a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository it came from, use "apt-cache policy foo", "apt-cache show foo" or "apt-cache showpkg foo" (searches for reverse dependencies). "apt-cache search foo" helps to find which packages provide or are related to foo, by searching all package descriptions. See also <which repo>. |
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| 08:08.40 | skilz | hey how can I install aircrack-ng? Package aircrack-ng is not available, but is referred to by another package |
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| 08:10.14 | jelly-home | ,versions aricrack-ng |
| 08:10.15 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'aricrack-ng' was found in i386. |
| 08:10.19 | jelly-home | ,versions aircrack-ng |
| 08:10.20 | judd | Package aircrack-ng on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2; sid: 1:1.1-1.1 |
| 08:10.22 | LostJoe | hi can someone explain to me how I can do the aptitude install of this page http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=42324 (first line of code before step1). How can I perform that action if I do not have internet access? |
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| 08:10.36 | jelly-home | !why is aircrack-ng not in testing |
| 08:10.37 | dpkg | aircrack-ng is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=aircrack-ng |
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| 08:11.02 | skilz | whats testing? |
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| 08:11.39 | simonlnu | aricrack? :) |
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| 08:11.50 | jelly-home | skilz: parts the software seems to have unclear copyright -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=588588 |
| 08:11.52 | ompaul | !tell skilz about testing |
| 08:12.08 | simonlnu | !dbugs 588588 |
| 08:12.13 | dpkg | #588588:S[aircrack-ng] aircrack-ng: debian/copyright is missing information for src/sha1-sse2.* (fixed-upstream); Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:15:02 UTC [] |
| 08:12.17 | jelly-home | er, unclear licensing actually |
| 08:12.23 | skilz | thats pretty stupid to leave it out |
| 08:12.28 | skilz | how can I install it? |
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| 08:12.43 | ompaul | skilz: no that is very clever not to put something in you don't know if you can put in |
| 08:12.44 | jelly-home | skilz: Debian cares about free software |
| 08:12.55 | jelly-home | !tell skilz about ssb |
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| 08:13.36 | jelly-home | in other words, you have to build it from source, preferably the debian way(tm) |
| 08:14.18 | skilz | geez |
| 08:15.04 | ompaul | skilz: ok we'll put some bad software in there ... oh no wait, debian cares about what it puts out, so you got to understand that |
| 08:15.17 | Kharec | hi |
| 08:15.27 | jelly-home | skilz: well, since the package in sid has been built a really long time ago, I imagine you jsut just download it manaully and install it |
| 08:15.48 | jelly-home | ,depends aircrack-ng --release sid |
| 08:15.48 | judd | Package aircrack-ng -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.7.2), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), wireless-tools, iw. |
| 08:16.17 | jelly-home | yeah, all of those should already be in Debian 6 |
| 08:16.29 | skilz | ompaul: yeah but its not really what debian it putting out, its what debian is making avalible or in this case not |
| 08:16.45 | ompaul | skilz: cos it cares |
| 08:16.52 | guzu | simonlnu, thank you very much |
| 08:16.56 | skilz | I mean like allowing people access to the software |
| 08:17.12 | skilz | software police look out |
| 08:17.26 | ompaul | given what you are about to to you should look out :P |
| 08:17.52 | skilz | what am I about to do? |
| 08:17.54 | skilz | :p |
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| 08:20.02 | LostJoe | there must be someone who can give an answer to my aptitude question.... |
| 08:21.01 | mrc2 | hi, installing qmail-src i got the following errors: cannot access to home directory /var/qmail: no such file or directory, for all the qmail users: alias, qmaild, qmails, ... |
| 08:21.38 | mrc2 | and /var/qmail does not exist indeed |
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| 08:25.25 | Carlitos__ | it works |
| 08:25.26 | Carlitos__ | :D |
| 08:25.52 | dimir | LIES |
| 08:26.02 | skilz | whats a good wireless network monitor for fluxbox where I can click to connect or disconnect a network |
| 08:26.26 | Carlitos__ | gnarface: thanks |
| 08:26.30 | Carlitos__ | see you |
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| 08:27.39 | optraz | i saw a perl file with this content, "=head2 get_status_list" is there a command to open this file so it format the documentaiton nicely? |
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| 08:29.54 | jelly-home | optraz: perldoc ? |
| 08:30.39 | jelly-home | optraz: or any of pod2* commands |
| 08:31.35 | gnarface | Carlitos__: good luck.. welcome to a brave new world :) |
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| 08:32.39 | tobi468 | Hi all, I have a big Problem with bacula 5.0.2 on Debian 6.0.2. Sometimes i gain the follow Error Message: "I/O Error" on Bacula and "st0: Can't allocate 1999999 bytetape" "from_buffer offset overflow" in kern.log. I cant do any backups without rebooting our Server :( Any Idea? I m looking for an solution since weeks :( |
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| 08:40.54 | optraz | jelly-home: perldoc support reading from file? |
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| 08:44.46 | ompaul | tobi468: this little mail tells lots I think http://www.adsm.org/lists/html/Bacula-users/2011-06/msg00444.html |
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| 08:47.16 | tobi468 | ompaul: thats my Thread. If i set down the Blocksize my Backup is extremly slow |
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| 08:48.11 | ompaul | tobi468: well that is the price of using something that wants to use that size block - you could investigate incremental over rsync |
| 08:48.20 | gnarface | tobi468: you're backing up to tape? expect it to fucking DRAG out for long blocks of time. make sure you're writing at the right speeds/block sizes - tape scrubbing mode burns shit out fast |
| 08:48.56 | gnarface | fuck i hate tapes |
| 08:49.03 | gnarface | they need to disappear from the time line |
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| 08:49.16 | gnarface | where is dr. who when you need him? |
| 08:49.31 | ompaul | gnarface: fixing his sonic screwdriver |
| 08:49.36 | blue_sky | looking for a definitive guide to building an amd64 kernel on i386, any suggestions? |
| 08:49.43 | tobi468 | gnarface: yes its a tape :\ |
| 08:50.12 | gnarface | tobi468: fwiw, just buying twice as many harddrives is much cheaper and more reliable these days |
| 08:50.30 | p0g0 | also thinks tape is a Very Poor backup medium, but others disagree... |
| 08:50.34 | ompaul | use disk (A) it's cheaper (B) has a longer live span (C) rsync is really a good friend |
| 08:50.46 | p0g0 | it's faster too |
| 08:51.07 | gnarface | tobi468: i know how hard this one is to pitch in a board room, but tapes are obsolete. its now much cheaper to just build TWO SANs and duplicate everything on live magnetic |
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| 08:52.01 | gnarface | tobi468: and as for offsite backups... don't EVER underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with harddrives |
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| 08:52.30 | petemc | 1990 called, they want their quote back |
| 08:52.39 | ompaul | hahaa |
| 08:52.52 | tobi468 | gnarfacec but I cant take the SAN out of the Server room or put it in a save :D. We only have a Tape Backup atm. Its not planed to replace it |
| 08:52.55 | gnarface | yea too bad the prices on 16GB tapes hasn't changed since 1990 |
| 08:53.32 | gnarface | tobi468: tape scrubbing mode. this is whats killing you. this is what is killing your tapes. |
| 08:53.43 | p0g0 | tobi468: just out of curiousity, have you tested those tapes to see if they really have all your data? |
| 08:54.17 | gnarface | p0g0: god he's having a bad enough day as it is. don't wake him up to reality all at once or he'll blow a gasket |
| 08:55.01 | jelly | tapes rule! |
| 08:55.24 | gnarface | they rule but they're so hard to configure safely (*cough* scrubbing mode *cough*) |
| 08:55.34 | gnarface | and they're just no longer cost effective |
| 08:55.41 | jelly | so use proper software that does it automatically |
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| 08:56.01 | gnarface | jelly: specific suggestions? |
| 08:56.02 | ompaul | amanda |
| 08:56.10 | ompaul | if you want tapes use amanda |
| 08:56.13 | jelly | gnarface: TSM if you have $$$ for it |
| 08:56.14 | gnarface | amanda, bacula? |
| 08:56.24 | gnarface | not netvault - that shit blows |
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| 08:57.35 | ompaul | amanda over bacula |
| 08:57.37 | gnarface | magnetic drives are so damned cheap these days you can afford to build THREE SANS for the cost of ONE full tape backup |
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| 08:57.45 | gnarface | at least |
| 08:58.03 | ompaul | bacula over wire but rsync correctly scripted is the best :) |
| 08:58.12 | gnarface | with mirrored drives you get realtime backup too. tapes are SLLLOOOOOOOOWWWWW |
| 08:58.26 | gnarface | not to mention god damend annoying |
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| 08:59.13 | gnarface | this is me waiting for the robotic arm to finish jerking itself off and give me back the tape: >:[ |
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| 09:00.27 | gnarface | tapes are one of those ideas that was viable for about a solid 6 months max but for some reason people still try to use them 20 years later |
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| 09:03.07 | jelly | or you're just ignorant of senses of scale for other users that find them viable |
| 09:03.30 | ompaul | you have to keep recycling them |
| 09:03.39 | ompaul | you have to keep storing the old ones |
| 09:03.43 | ompaul | too much work |
| 09:03.50 | jelly | my employer doesn't have $$$ for half a PB of disks |
| 09:03.52 | gnarface | jelly: ignorant? hardly. enlightened? probably. |
| 09:04.14 | jelly | but half a PB of tapes is easy |
| 09:04.43 | ompaul | jelly: so start a project to get half a PB - roll it out gradually |
| 09:04.58 | jelly | ompaul: I don't need it, this works. |
| 09:05.07 | ompaul | you got an ATL? |
| 09:05.13 | ompaul | hopes so |
| 09:05.27 | jelly | no, two small/midrange libraries |
| 09:05.48 | ompaul | almost the same thing ;-) |
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| 09:05.57 | gnarface | i would say - anything above a terabyte and tapes are stupid |
| 09:06.12 | gnarface | i would say anything below a terabyte and tapes are irrelevant |
| 09:06.20 | ompaul | gnarface: that's ok until you do the your first 100 disks |
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| 09:06.32 | gnarface | dude SO been there |
| 09:06.38 | gnarface | throughput matters |
| 09:06.44 | gnarface | shelf life... not so much |
| 09:06.49 | gnarface | not in those types of time frames |
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| 09:06.55 | gnarface | not for most data |
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| 09:07.41 | gnarface | i agree there are exceptions to every rule |
| 09:08.01 | ompaul | then you need to manage two networks of disk |
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| 09:08.27 | jelly | I suggest moving this to #debian-offtopic, I'm not going to comment more in here except for a skeptical "hah" |
| 09:08.29 | gnarface | if you do it right, managing (X) networks of disks is immaterial whether X = 2 or X = N |
| 09:08.42 | ompaul | jelly: true |
| 09:08.43 | gnarface | jelly is right. this isn't about debian. this is about tapes |
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| 09:09.04 | tobi468 | I just have the Tapes and not the disks and still no solution :\ |
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| 09:09.39 | gnarface | tobi468: google tapes and "scrubbing" i think maybe you'll come up with what i did when i had to do this |
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| 09:10.16 | gnarface | tobi468: making it work with tapes is all about figuring out how to write to them linearly, at max speed, but without causing it to invoke dreaded "scrubbing" mode |
| 09:10.46 | gnarface | tobi468: (not a concern with harddrives) |
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| 09:11.53 | gnarface | tobi468: find those figures for your tape drive and tape sets, then someone here should be able to tell you how to configure debian to lock to those figures |
| 09:12.25 | gnarface | then you're golden, but harddrives are still cheaper :-p |
| 09:12.53 | gnarface | and probably just as fault tolerant if you're not planning for a shelf life greater than 50 years per backup image |
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| 09:13.36 | gnarface | (and i'm skeptical whether tapes can really do any better... all i've got is heresay to back THAT up) |
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| 09:14.23 | gnarface | tobi468: and know that if you've accidentally caused "scrubbing" mode... you need new tapes |
| 09:14.31 | gnarface | they're hosed after that. |
| 09:14.40 | gnarface | and some drives don't live long writing in that mode either |
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| 09:24.37 | LostJoe | I have my ethernet card up and running in ifconfig BUT i do not have network access (pinging google doesnt work) |
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| 09:24.46 | LostJoe | I have my ethernet card up and running in ifconfig BUT i do not have network access (pinging google doesnt work) |
| 09:25.35 | petemc | dmesg | grep -i link |
| 09:25.37 | gnarface | LostJoe: how about if you ping 74.125.45.99? or 74.125.45.103? |
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| 09:25.48 | mark76 | BBL |
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| 09:25.59 | gnarface | LostJoe: or 74.125.45.104, 74.125.45.105, 74.125.45.106 or 74.125.45.147? |
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| 09:26.28 | LostJoe | then I get network is unreachable |
| 09:26.46 | petemc | netstat -rn |
| 09:28.09 | LostJoe | petemc: is that netstat command for me? |
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| 09:28.30 | petemc | yes, how did you configure this nic? |
| 09:28.31 | skilz | yes |
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| 09:28.51 | a7x | (going to do a test) |
| 09:28.53 | a7x | !list |
| 09:28.53 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 09:28.56 | a7x | ahahahaa |
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| 09:30.08 | skilz | how come when I do apt-cache search wifi it doesnt show any wifi cracking software |
| 09:30.29 | skilz | !backports |
| 09:30.30 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 09:30.53 | a7x | skilz maybe "wifi" is not a keyword for aircrack & co. |
| 09:30.57 | p0g0 | skilz: your repository list? |
| 09:31.04 | skilz | !debian-backports |
| 09:31.04 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 09:31.31 | skilz | aircrack search returned no results |
| 09:31.32 | jelly | skilz: have you tried downloading the sid package via packages.debian.org and installing it using dpkg and "apt-get -f install"? |
| 09:32.09 | skilz | p0g0: my list is squeeze main contrib |
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| 09:32.27 | LostJoe | I downloaded the driver from the realtek, than I unpacked it and did a autorun (which does all the necessary stuff) |
| 09:32.39 | LostJoe | after the autorun I see the eth0 and wlan |
| 09:32.50 | LostJoe | through ifconfig |
| 09:32.54 | LostJoe | but cannot connect to the internet |
| 09:33.29 | gnarface | LostJoe: can you even ping your gateway? |
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| 09:34.10 | janis | hi guys!! If I m-a auto-install something, does it again get recompiled when I update my kernel? |
| 09:34.13 | gnarface | LostJoe: jst for the fun of it, pastebin the output of ifconfig -a (as root) |
| 09:34.15 | Bushmills | LostJoe, does "route -n" indicate you ought to be able? |
| 09:34.56 | gnarface | janis: automatically without you telling it to after you update the kernel? no, as far as i know. but i could be wrong its been a few years for me... |
| 09:34.58 | p0g0 | skilz: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=downloads see the linux section, also iirc, there is an #aircrack channel (not sure if it is on freenode, but I think so) |
| 09:35.23 | babilen | janis: No, you might want to use DKMS for that. What are you compiling? |
| 09:35.43 | janis | gnarface, can I somehow tell debian to auto update a specific - say nvidia non-free- from sme kind of source? |
| 09:36.07 | babilen | janis: Use the DKMS flavour -- What are you trying to compile? |
| 09:36.10 | gnarface | janis: i think that babilen might be of more help to you, but i think that is what dkms is for |
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| 09:36.31 | LostJoe | ok I will try to pastebin it |
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| 09:36.39 | LostJoe | (going to search for a usb key) |
| 09:36.40 | LostJoe | right back |
| 09:36.51 | janis | ok, i'm going to look on dkms. Do you know if it supports nvidia prorietary? |
| 09:37.28 | babilen | janis: So, you are trying to compile the nvidia drivers? Do you know if you need one of the legacy ones? |
| 09:37.45 | janis | babilen, no, I need the non-legacy ones |
| 09:37.54 | babilen | !tell janis -about nvidia dkms |
| 09:37.56 | gnarface | janis: yes there is already one you won't need m-a just install nvidia-kernel-dkms and the rest should happen for you |
| 09:38.11 | janis | thanks guys!! :) |
| 09:38.15 | babilen | janis: That is a one-liner with installation & configuration. |
| 09:38.18 | gnarface | janis: make sure you have contrib and non-free in your sources and you're gold |
| 09:38.25 | babilen | janis: You are welcome :) (typical xy problem) |
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| 09:38.57 | gnarface | nvidia loves linux, they just can't admit it to themselves yet |
| 09:38.57 | janis | I do, I do! thanks!! hm.. so, how do I trigget the dkms thing if I need to test its actually working? |
| 09:39.10 | Bushmills | LostJoe, try dhclient eth0 on the pure chance that that's what was missing |
| 09:39.36 | babilen | janis: Trust us, it'll work. No idea how to trigger it -- You can install a different kernel package for example .. |
| 09:39.58 | janis | ok, maybe i'm too precautious. I'll trust you! :) thanks again guys! |
| 09:40.12 | gnarface | janis: a common way is by comparing non-vsynced glxgears famereate reports to your hardware.. you should know that nvidia drivers often require a cold restart after install to function properly |
| 09:40.39 | Bushmills | janis: why would you trust anybody telling you to trust them? |
| 09:40.42 | LostJoe | http://pastebin.com/4TemyZ1e |
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| 09:40.59 | gnarface | janis: don't trust anyone in here. just trust me :) i'm the most trustworthy |
| 09:41.11 | gnarface | janis: :-D |
| 09:41.20 | babilen | Bushmills: It's my eyes ... :) |
| 09:41.41 | Bushmills | LostJoe, configure your network. |
| 09:41.54 | LostJoe | Bushmills: When I do a dhclient eth0 I get chown and chmod errprs on the /etc/resolv.conf => no such file directory |
| 09:42.09 | janis | lol.. gnarface I trust that it was built in fron t of my eyes upon installation, but libgl1-alternatives failed.. let me look into it |
| 09:42.16 | Fudge | LostJoe have you editted /etc/network/interfaces including your gateway if its manual ip? |
| 09:42.45 | Bushmills | LostJoe, run dhclient eth0 *as root* |
| 09:42.46 | LostJoe | no, I should get an automatic IP?? |
| 09:42.56 | gnarface | janis: find out what it said. might be something simple like missing kernel header package |
| 09:43.24 | p0g0 | LostJoe: well, do you actually have a resolv.conf? |
| 09:43.31 | LostJoe | ko |
| 09:43.34 | LostJoe | running it as root |
| 09:43.34 | janis | gnarface, it complains about non-existing path |
| 09:43.36 | LostJoe | solved the issue |
| 09:43.39 | LostJoe | now I have internet |
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| 09:43.47 | Bushmills | now edit your interfaces file |
| 09:43.51 | Bushmills | !interfaces |
| 09:43.51 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 09:44.02 | LostJoe | why wasn't dhclient not loaded, and how can I make certain it laods on next boot |
| 09:44.04 | gnarface | janis: sounds correct. WHICH path? something like /usr/src or a symlink i /lib? |
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| 09:44.21 | Bushmills | it wasn't because before you seem to not have had support for your interface installed |
| 09:44.29 | janis | gnarface, the path is /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1 and it indeed does not exist |
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| 09:44.38 | Bushmills | and because your interfaces files doesn't tell your system to run it |
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| 09:45.22 | LostJoe | so how can I add this to the interface files? |
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| 09:45.43 | Bushmills | have you tried reading the man page? |
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| 09:45.53 | janis | gnarface, also, ls -la /etc/aplternatives/ | grep -i gl yields nothing about nvidia/libGL1 |
| 09:46.15 | LostJoe | I will rtfm :) |
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| 09:46.33 | gnarface | janis: hmm. what about dpkg -i |grep nvi -i |
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| 09:46.50 | andh | Hi people. I'm installing debian. I'd like to create a ntfs partition but it's not in the list. What can I do? |
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| 09:47.04 | gnarface | andh: eat your monitor |
| 09:47.21 | janis | gnarface, I assume you meant dpkg -l | grep nvi -i |
| 09:47.33 | Bushmills | surely a not-yet-created ntfs partition isn't in any list except the "todo" list |
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| 09:47.37 | gnarface | janis: actually yes, sorry. anything? |
| 09:47.48 | andh | I click <Use as:>" I can select ext3 4 2 ... but not ntfs. |
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| 09:48.20 | gnarface | andh: that's on purpose. its to keep you from mistakenly using ntfs |
| 09:48.34 | andh | ok thx |
| 09:48.53 | gnarface | andh: if you're not sure, the default should be a good choice. |
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| 09:49.32 | janis | gnarface, alternatives are iF nvidia-glx, libgl1-nvidia-gx are iU and I noticed taht I have nvidia-kernel-common,nvidia-kernel-dkms,nvidia-vdpau-driver and libglx-nvidia-alternatives as ii |
| 09:49.35 | gnarface | andh: if you want more info: ANYTHING that is not a windows native filesystem is a good choice |
| 09:50.17 | janis | gnarface, how about I remove all *nvidia* and try again |
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| 09:51.01 | gnarface | janis: couldn't hurt. in theory when you installed nvidia-kernel-dkms (or in many cases just nvidia-glx) it should have started working optimally.... though on some hardware/display combos you might still need to have a proper xorg.conf manually created |
| 09:51.38 | Bushmills | gnarface: acorn adfs? |
| 09:52.21 | janis | gnarface, I guess it would work, it just stumbled upon some dependency while installing, that dependency being alternatives complaining about some path. I assume the trouble is because currently I have installed NVIDIA's own proprietary, that seeds arbitrarilly its files here and there.. |
| 09:53.04 | gnarface | Bushmills: i just assumed andh wouldn't be aware of any options other than those in the stock installer. you bring up a good point though, my instructions made an assumption there thats technically incorrect |
| 09:53.19 | gnarface | andh: chose ext3 and be happy. |
| 09:53.32 | gnarface | choose, i mean |
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| 09:53.42 | Bushmills | 47 or 77 files per directory, size not exceeding 512 MiB :) rather limited by current standards |
| 09:53.59 | andh | i did |
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| 09:54.37 | andh | thx for help |
| 09:54.46 | gnarface | andh: ext3 is a good safe default in most cases and will remain so until ext4 or btrfs are ready to surpass it |
| 09:55.11 | daemonkeeper | Ehm |
| 09:55.13 | gnarface | andh: there are others but they're really for niche uses these days |
| 09:55.45 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: you have something to share with the group? speak into the microphone please |
| 09:55.50 | daemonkeeper | This is what ext4 is for. ext4 _is_ ready to step in as intermediate replacement for ext3 until btrfs is ready. |
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| 09:56.31 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: good to know. its not the default in the squeeze installer though is it? |
| 09:58.04 | daemonkeeper | No, I think Squeeze installs on ext3 by default if I'm not mistaken. Hoever ext4 is definitively stable enough for wide spread use. After all its just a minor upgrade to ext3. As said, it brings some new, modern features one would like to have but no revolution. The latter is for btrfs. |
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| 09:59.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | to confirm, squeeze is ext3 by default |
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| 10:00.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | but supports ext4 |
| 10:00.45 | gnarface | ext4 is not reverse compatible with ext3 in the way ext3 is reverse compatible with ext2 filesystems (they can be upgraded easily and non-destructively) though, right? |
| 10:01.09 | gnarface | i was under the impression that ext4 is a whole new thing |
| 10:01.11 | ompaul | btrfs the way not to having your computer reading it is normal operation at times :) |
| 10:01.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnarface: ext4 can 'degrade' to ext3, but not ext2 |
| 10:02.49 | darkskiez | Kamping_Kaiser, not if you are using ext4 features, which you likely would be |
| 10:03.32 | daemonkeeper | You can upgrade an ext2|3 file system to ext4 without problems. You won't benefit from extents until you recreate files though. |
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| 10:03.43 | daemonkeeper | Its the very same disk layout for all file systems. |
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| 10:03.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | darkskiez: true |
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| 10:06.16 | janis | guys I'm having trouble installing nvidia-kernel-dkms. So far I was using the proprietary drivers and I would like to migrate. http://pastebin.com/qU3hYCw5 here is a paste |
| 10:06.38 | daemonkeeper | You mean: You used the nvidia-installer before? |
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| 10:07.42 | janis | daemonkeeper, if youa re referring to the one NVIDIA provides on their site, yes. |
| 10:07.49 | daemonkeeper | Uh, that's bad. The nvidia intaller badly messes up your system which causes pretty much the problems you are experiencing upon upgrade. |
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| 10:08.38 | daemonkeeper | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 10:08.38 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 10:09.07 | janis | daemonkeeper, I see.. So, Is there a cure now? |
| 10:09.57 | daemonkeeper | You could first try to uninstall the nvidia stuff, then reinstall most relevant packages. |
| 10:10.14 | gnarface | hmm. looks like there IS an uninstall option |
| 10:10.16 | gnarface | news to me |
| 10:10.32 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: Yes, but it does not recover old files ... |
| 10:10.56 | gnarface | i've never seen the nvidia proprietary vs debian nvidia package installs clobber each other in a way that keeps the other one from being installed later though... that's a new one for me. |
| 10:11.13 | gnarface | they both seemed to be fully capable of cleaning up after the other one |
| 10:11.43 | gnarface | i admit i never tested it thorougly though and i rarely go back and forth on a single install |
| 10:12.01 | gnarface | usually its one or the other (largely depending on the age of the video card) |
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| 10:18.00 | hiitsme | Hello |
| 10:18.56 | hiitsme | I want to use bind9 to resolve a subdomain. How do I tell bind9 to forward all requests outside that subdomain to another NS higher in the hierachy? |
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| 10:20.43 | janis | hm.. I downloaded the nvidia-installer again, run its uninstall option, |
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| 10:21.53 | janis | I then purged libgl1-mesa-* (now my entire system is run from memory, I hope nothing breaks too bad untill I redownload and reinstall the entire kde) then purged all nvidia* and reinstalled nvidie-kernel-dkms, which succeded with no complain |
| 10:22.00 | babilen | janis: Didn't the dkms way work? The nvidia installer is a bit frowned upon here. (As evidenced by, for example, "/msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks") |
| 10:22.02 | janis | now I' installing kde-full from scratch :) |
| 10:22.20 | babilen | Ah, I see :) |
| 10:22.37 | babilen | janis: You had installed nvidia using their installer before? |
| 10:23.03 | janis | babilen, no, it was failing. Yes, I installed nvidia.ko with their isntaller, but now I wanted to migrate to dkms, yes |
| 10:23.19 | inkhorn | I'm using netatalk to share volumes with a Snow Leopard system, anyone know what the .AppleDouble dirs are ? |
| 10:23.44 | babilen | janis: Well, hope you get it working. This bahviour is exactly why we do *not* support or recommend their installer as it breaks -glx |
| 10:23.52 | babilen | behaviour even :) |
| 10:24.00 | janis | babilen, actually, if i remember correctly, the dkms module installed fine, but some dmks-nvidia-alternatives was failing to establish correct links |
| 10:24.02 | gnarface | janis: show him that pastebin you showed me. it might help him identify the problem |
| 10:24.22 | babilen | Yay, pastebins :) \o/ |
| 10:24.22 | janis | oh, babilen, yes. You may consult http://pastebin.com/qU3hYCw5 |
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| 10:25.46 | babilen | yeah, the nvidia installer overwrites files which messes with the diversions. If you don't get it working by uninstalling the nvidia crapola we might have do dig deeper in fixing the diversions, but that'll take some time as I have no reference system handy. |
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| 10:27.10 | janis | babilen, to get the alternaties package to even purge, I resorted to manually rm -r /usr/lib/nvidia . Then let me restate that I apt-get removed libgl1-mesa-* and reinstalled kde-full |
| 10:28.07 | babilen | why did you reinstall kde-full? -- and 'rm -r'ing is almost always a bad idea. (At least move it somewhere else) -- Can you uninstall the nvidia cruft? |
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| 10:29.00 | janis | babilen, now the system seems to work fine! :) I reinstalled kde-full because, since libgl1-mesa-* were the last to provide libgl, all gl-enables software had to go |
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| 10:29.19 | janis | (I risked not using --force-deps or so) |
| 10:29.29 | janis | should I have? |
| 10:29.32 | babilen | Yeah, do *not* do that. |
| 10:29.47 | babilen | So, the nvidia dkms package installs fine and the diversions are fixed? |
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| 10:29.55 | janis | right now, yes |
| 10:30.20 | janis | babilen, how should I have removed libgl1-mesa-* ? |
| 10:30.59 | janis | hm.. let me restart my X just to be sure |
| 10:31.10 | babilen | yup :) |
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| 10:40.41 | janis | I should state that witht he older nvidia-module from dkms, the system works better! To relaunch X i had to rmmod nvidia. |
| 10:41.03 | gnarface | good news janis |
| 10:41.10 | janis | let me jsut state, composite (and therefore kde plasma overlay features) simply work now. thanks guys! |
| 10:41.51 | gnarface | hoooray! |
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| 10:42.50 | janis | thanks gnarface, babilen ! bye! |
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| 11:08.58 | vy | Hi! I have a strange problem while trying to connect two PCs over eth2 if. (See http://pastebin.com/4gxDNf0Q for ifconfig/route outputs.) I manually unplug the cable from both ends and can see that eth2 of both machine comes up an down. But they somehow cannot ping each other. What might I be missing? Any ideas? |
| 11:10.35 | wols_ | crossover cable? |
| 11:10.52 | wols_ | also iptables or windows firewall in between? |
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| 11:12.37 | petemc | vy: check dmesg when you plug in the cable to see if the link from that interface comes up |
| 11:12.57 | vy | petemc: Yep, I checked that, it does. |
| 11:13.12 | vy | wols_: CAT6, gigabit eths, so cross-over shouldn't be a problem? |
| 11:13.31 | petemc | so if you configure both interfaces to be on the same subnet you should be able to ping, no routing necessary |
| 11:13.36 | vy | wols_: They are directly connected by a single CA,T6. |
| 11:13.57 | vy | petemc: wols_: Would you midng checking my netmask, etc. values are right? |
| 11:14.39 | petemc | which interface is it? |
| 11:15.21 | vy | petemc: eth2 on both machines. |
| 11:15.41 | petemc | looks fine |
| 11:16.00 | vy | Hrm... Thanks. |
| 11:16.00 | wols_ | ping continously and then check bot ifconfig outputs for rx and tx packets |
| 11:16.07 | vy | wols_: Good idea, let me check that. |
| 11:16.10 | wols_ | also for tx and rx bytes |
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| 11:17.30 | protz | I guess gtk3 just made it to testing, since many gtk apps have changead appearance (e.g. gnome-terminal). How do I control the gtk theme that's used for gtk3? |
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| 11:22.11 | vy | wols_: I ping pampa from dedeler, and in dedeler I see tx packets/bytes increasing, and in pampa, I see rx packets/bytes increasing. No other changes (loss, error, drop, etc.) in the ifconfig outputs of machines. But ping still doesn't work. |
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| 11:22.55 | vy | I started a nc server in pampa via "nc -vvv -l -t 7000" and tried to connect to it from dedeler via "nc -vvv 192.168.1.98", but nc complains that no route to host. |
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| 11:24.17 | skilz | hey if I change my mac address will I still be able to connect to wifi? |
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| 11:26.15 | babilen | skilz: If the access point does not impose any restrictions on MAC addresses, then yes. |
| 11:27.29 | wols_ | vy: to me it sounds dedeler receivers packets but either cannot or will not respond. again: firewall? |
| 11:28.59 | wols_ | vy: other way around: pampa not responding. ping from pampa to dedeler for a change. check what happens |
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| 11:29.13 | skilz | how do I start and stop my wifi? |
| 11:29.38 | wols_ | depends how you set it all up |
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| 11:29.50 | wols_ | probably network-manager |
| 11:29.51 | skilz | ERROR: Can't change MAC: interface up or not permission: Device or resource busy |
| 11:30.00 | skilz | no |
| 11:30.08 | skilz | it's all iwconif |
| 11:30.12 | skilz | iwconfig |
| 11:30.19 | wols_ | ifconfig <wlan if> down |
| 11:30.37 | skilz | iwconfig wlan0 if down ? |
| 11:30.44 | Fudge | what package would mkisofs be in? |
| 11:30.46 | wols_ | di I say that? |
| 11:30.52 | wols_ | *did |
| 11:31.28 | boodie | Hi: after I upgrade to squeeze from lenny, mysql does not start + I have some errors & warnings at startup ... can anybody give me a hint on how to polish my box from these messages? |
| 11:31.29 | abrotman | !tell Fudge about apt-file |
| 11:32.11 | wols_ | abrotman: pdo is utterly useless! it cannot find mkisofs! |
| 11:32.22 | abrotman | yeah well ... |
| 11:32.36 | abrotman | wols_: you hush up before i suck you into my dosbox nightmare :) |
| 11:32.50 | skilz | dont work |
| 11:32.55 | skilz | command no work |
| 11:32.57 | wols_ | dosbox is great. I can play my old dos games in there! |
| 11:32.59 | Fudge | thank you abrotman |
| 11:33.08 | abrotman | wols_: i can't :( |
| 11:33.17 | wols_ | !tell skilz about doesn't work |
| 11:33.30 | wols_ | abrotman: what evil DOS games do you have that they don't workie? |
| 11:33.43 | abrotman | dosemu win! |
| 11:33.45 | abrotman | wols_: caesarII |
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| 11:34.36 | boodie | Hi: after I upgrade to squeeze from lenny, mysql does not start |
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| 11:35.16 | daemonkeeper | s/(squeeze) from (lenny)/$2 from $1/? |
| 11:35.33 | daemonkeeper | ah, nvm |
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| 11:35.44 | daemonkeeper | So, what's your problem then |
| 11:35.51 | jelly | !be a reading barbie |
| 11:35.51 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
| 11:35.55 | wols_ | boodie: you need to give us constructive info what happens. we aren't mind readers |
| 11:36.02 | wols_ | and neither can we access your debian install |
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| 11:36.39 | daemonkeeper | jelly: I guess this is not exactly the behavior you expected :> |
| 11:37.05 | jelly | boodie: any leftover mysqld processes running? pastebin the output of "/etc/init.d/mysql start" and "grep -i mysql /var/log/daemon.log" |
| 11:37.11 | wols_ | I'm sure jelly likes to go shopping |
| 11:37.12 | jelly | daemonkeeper: no u |
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| 11:39.37 | boodie | "/etc/init.d/mysql start" = http://paste.debian.net/122076/ |
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| 11:42.02 | neuro_damage | boodie do you have the mysql error log in /var/log/mysql/* ? that would be more helpful in figuring out why it won't start the mysql daemon |
| 11:42.03 | boodie | the last lines of "grep -i mysql /var/log/daemon.log" = http://paste.debian.net/122077/ |
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| 11:42.28 | jelly | boodie: that's not enough |
| 11:42.53 | jelly | the interesting stuff is missing |
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| 11:43.22 | skilz | how do I stop the interface wlan0 |
| 11:43.44 | boudiccas | ifdown elan0 |
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| 11:44.12 | wols_ | skilz: I told you. it won't change by you asking repeatedly |
| 11:44.17 | neuro_damage | boodie that just lets me know that mysqld isn't running? try one of the mysql logs? /var/log/mysql.log or /var/log/mysql/* or are all those empty? |
| 11:44.22 | boodie | in /var/log/mysql/ there is a set of files like /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.000602 |
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| 11:46.42 | CyL | Hi folks, some time ago I had issues with my wireless nic (Broadcom BCM4312) at which I switched from the proprietary driver to ndiswrapper in an attempt to solve the issue. It did not work and I switched back to the kernel module driver (b43), but now my computer doesn't load the modules automatticaly anymore. How do I recover this old behaviour? |
| 11:47.08 | neuro_damage | boodie: what does invoking mysqld manually on the command line spit back for errors? |
| 11:47.15 | boodie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:48.39 | boodie | boodie@vladi:~$ su -c "/etc/init.d/mysql start" = Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 11:49.13 | boodie | It's nothing dramatic, just annoying |
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| 11:50.00 | boodie | How about re-installing mysql? |
| 11:50.05 | wols_ | CyL: how did you stop the normal driver from loading? blacklisting? |
| 11:50.35 | wols_ | boodie: useless when we don't know the problem and you don't gi ve the info that was asked from you |
| 11:50.56 | CyL | wols_: at the time I blacklisted it, but it is not blaklisted anymore (I've commented out the line which was blacklisting it) |
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| 11:51.22 | wols_ | CyL: recreated the initramfs too? |
| 11:51.42 | wols_ | modprobe it and recreate it. if all fails, you can put it in /etc/modules |
| 11:51.46 | CyL | wols_: nope, did not |
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| 11:53.21 | CyL | wols_: also, I found that I have a /etc/modules.d/ndiswrapper.conf file, is it safe to remove it? |
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| 11:53.41 | wols_ | sure |
| 11:54.07 | Fudge | still cant fidn mkisofs, apt-info search mkisofs brought stuff up but things i install does not give me the command |
| 11:54.10 | Fudge | :4 |
| 11:54.30 | boodie | boodie@vladi:~$ mysql -u root -p ; ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 11:54.38 | wols_ | Fudge: apt-file |
| 11:54.49 | Fudge | installed it |
| 11:55.01 | wols_ | and configured and used it? |
| 11:55.08 | Fudge | oh yeah thats what i mean to type yes, |
| 11:55.20 | Fudge | did update, apt-file search showed results |
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| 11:56.17 | jelly | boodie: can you privde more context from daemon.log, at least 50 lines |
| 11:56.37 | jelly | provide* |
| 11:57.15 | Fudge | wols_ root-strap debian-cd aptoncd none of them appear to actually have it, or im just to dumb to figure it out loL |
| 11:57.31 | Fudge | horde3 seems pointless isntalling, i donno how that has it in it with a buhnch o fphp and apache in it |
| 11:57.50 | wols_ | Fudge: could it be there is no mkisofs in debian anymore? would be strange tho... |
| 11:58.22 | Fudge | maybe its genisoimage |
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| 11:59.47 | wols_ | it sort of is since mkisofs in oldstable is dependent on genisoimage and is a "all" architectures package, meaning it's only a script |
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| 12:03.36 | CyL | wols_: thanks for your advice, now everything is fine |
| 12:04.17 | Calyp | hi! how do i add user accounts in Debian? |
| 12:04.17 | wols_ | CyL: nothing is: you still have to use broadcom hardware... |
| 12:04.26 | wols_ | Calyp: adduser |
| 12:04.32 | Calyp | gui? |
| 12:05.34 | CyL | wols_: yeah, unfortunatelly big brand's hardware usually have one piece or another that won't fit very well with linux |
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| 12:06.08 | strio | Hi, some way to find wireless networks using command line? |
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| 12:06.57 | boodie | Hey! I used brute force and ignorance (works most of the times) ... "apt-get install mysql-server" Now the 5.1 server is up; before I was left with the 5.0 client, but the installation of aqueeze, for some reason, left mysql behind ... |
| 12:07.12 | boodie | ops: squeeze |
| 12:07.53 | abrotman | strayer: iwlist |
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| 12:42.10 | vy | Is it possible to list the applications (or kernel modules) that have rights to mangle the traffic of a particular interface? |
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| 12:42.39 | nicomen | how do I buld a debian package from source with another name that what the source indicates? |
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| 12:45.18 | stew | nicomen: modify debian/control and debian/changelog |
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| 12:47.01 | nicomen | stew: I tried that first, and it didn't work, but now it did, thanks ;) |
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| 12:53.20 | andh | Hi people. Does someone know a dictionary program that looks up a marked word when I press the right key? |
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| 12:53.36 | bahamas | hello. are writes and deletes logged somewhere? |
| 12:53.52 | petemc | writes and deletes of what? |
| 12:54.12 | bahamas | petemc: directories, users |
| 12:54.24 | petemc | not by default, no |
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| 12:54.44 | bahamas | petemc: how can i check if logging for that is activated? |
| 12:55.26 | bahamas | i had a website with its own user. and the user, database, apache config file and the repo have disappeared |
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| 12:58.36 | petemc | bahamas: is this a vps or.. ? |
| 12:59.07 | p_masho | newbie problem. I want to stop svnserve daemon from starting (switched over to http) is there an easier way than commention out /etc/init.d/svnserve coomands ? |
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| 12:59.41 | petemc | update-rc.d -f svnserve remove |
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| 12:59.52 | bahamas | petemc: no, employer server |
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| 13:00.45 | petemc | bahamas: does anyone other than you have root or sudo? |
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| 13:01.05 | p_masho | petemc: lovely.. ta.. |
| 13:01.27 | bahamas | petemc: yes, a few people |
| 13:01.41 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:01.59 | HauM1 | does anyone use HP-servers and HP-sw (eg hp-health, hp-snmp-agents, hp-smh-templates)? |
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| 13:07.12 | hwq001 | http://linuxfloat.org/ a Q&A website dedicated to linux industry. welcome to ask linux on our site |
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| 13:08.58 | abrotman | hwq001: please spam somewhere else, this channel is for Debian support. |
| 13:09.13 | newyork | hey guys, i changed a little in the /etc/mpd.conf and now the buttons on sonata are greyed-out, i changed it back in the mpd.conf but the buttons are still greyed-out, what else could it be? |
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| 13:14.19 | rvsjoen_ | whats the debian way of changing the default python interpreter ? update-alternatives --config python says there are no alternatives, yet I have both python2.6 and python 2.7 installed |
| 13:14.46 | bahamas | petemc: any ideas? |
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| 13:20.14 | abrotman | rvsjoen_: you don't want to do that |
| 13:20.26 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:23.16 | [1]IRsee | Good Morning Debian. |
| 13:24.27 | wols_ | [1]IRsee: debbie's out and ian don't live here anymore |
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| 13:26.02 | sonias | what should I do to my lenevecomuter that always dies when it falls alseep |
| 13:26.03 | sonias | ? |
| 13:26.29 | sonias | * lenovo |
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| 13:28.13 | utente1 | ave quarchetunu ca cunta a lengua mea aquai? |
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| 13:28.29 | abrotman | eh .. portuguese ? |
| 13:28.34 | rvsjoen_ | why is that |
| 13:28.43 | utente1 | no salentiu |
| 13:28.51 | utente1 | salentinu |
| 13:28.53 | abrotman | rvsjoen_: python programs are expecting a certain version of python.. if you change tht, they may brake |
| 13:28.54 | abrotman | break |
| 13:28.58 | abrotman | utente1: english here |
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| 13:29.07 | sonias | pm-suspend basicly kills computer |
| 13:29.09 | rvsjoen_ | hm |
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| 13:29.18 | abrotman | !it |
| 13:29.18 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:33.09 | casts | does debian have any filesystems that can take advantage of mixing SSD with tradition HDDs [eg: storing metadata &&|| journalling on SSD) |
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| 13:34.42 | bahamas | petemc: ok. thanks anyway |
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| 13:52.54 | totte | When I do "dpkg --get-selections" packages that I did "aptitude purge" on show up as "deinstall", I read the man page for dpkg but I don't understand why these packages are still on the system? |
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| 13:53.20 | stew | totte: what makes you think they are still on the system? |
| 13:53.35 | totte | Since they show up on that list? |
| 13:53.52 | totte | Perhaps I misunderstood the list? |
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| 13:54.07 | stew | that just means that dpkg has remembered your selection for that package. It will continue to do so as long as that package is still availalbe |
| 13:54.22 | totte | Ah, available in the repository? |
| 13:54.25 | stew | it doesn't mean that this package is on your system |
| 13:55.20 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | guys i want to compile my own kernel |
| 13:55.22 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | is it possible |
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| 13:55.37 | Justin | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: why? |
| 13:55.45 | stew | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: certainly |
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| 13:56.45 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | why? because i think it is bloated |
| 13:56.45 | stew | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: "/msg dpkg kp" will give some clues. but "why" is a good question. this is often a waste of time |
| 13:56.56 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | my system takes 2 minutes to boot up |
| 13:57.13 | stew | i wouldn't expect a different kernel to be any different in that regard |
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| 13:57.17 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | i thought if i compile a kernel with only the drivers my computer needs it will be fast |
| 13:57.20 | jelly | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: and you think it's kernel's fault? |
| 13:57.31 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | well who elses fault is it |
| 13:57.37 | blue_sky | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: my system takes longer than that to POST |
| 13:57.38 | jelly | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: userspace. init. |
| 13:57.39 | stew | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: if there are modules that are being loaded which you don't need, you can blacklist them |
| 13:58.05 | stew | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: i would expect that loading all the modules that you are currently loading would not take more than a second or two |
| 13:58.20 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | oh |
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| 13:58.41 | jelly | bringing the network link and connection up can take 20 seconds |
| 13:59.37 | stew | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: what does "readlink /bin/sh" return? |
| 13:59.39 | blue_sky | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: but building your own kernel can also be an interesting/learning experience, so may be worthwhile anyway, it's not complicated, just install kernel-package and the debian packaged kernel source and follow the instructions in kernel-package README |
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| 14:00.38 | stew | the real learning will come after you make your system unbootable with your new kernel that doesn't have the right sata/ide/scsi/whatever drivers :) |
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| 14:01.02 | blue_sky | kernel-package??? that's not what I mean |
| 14:01.13 | blue_sky | what do I mean? |
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| 14:01.58 | blue_sky | stew: just 'cos you've built a new one doesn't mean the old one has gone away, you choose hte new one at boot, if it doesn't work reboot the old one and rebuild another |
| 14:02.13 | stew | of course |
| 14:02.26 | stew | kernel-package is what you mean |
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| 14:03.35 | blue_sky | stew: that's the one with make-kpkg in it? I just couldn't rememebr... and I've built two kernels this morning.. neither work :( |
| 14:03.46 | stew | !kp |
| 14:03.46 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 14:04.05 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | i dont actually run debian |
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| 14:04.12 | stew | ... |
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| 14:04.29 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | i use red hat linux |
| 14:04.36 | skilz | afterstep is awesome |
| 14:04.39 | blue_sky | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: ?! WTF? I'm sure your chosen distro has it's preferred method |
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| 14:04.53 | skilz | but how do I get WMXMMS2 working? |
| 14:04.56 | stew | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: please go to #redhat then |
| 14:05.06 | skilz | it says WMXMMS2 Stopped |
| 14:05.10 | skilz | I installed xmms2 |
| 14:05.36 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | whats wrong |
| 14:05.42 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | u angry that i dont use debian? |
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| 14:06.10 | stew | sdrfgaerfaefaefa: no, we don't really care which distro you use. but you are off-topic for this channel |
| 14:06.13 | skilz | faghat |
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| 14:06.22 | stew | skilz: what? |
| 14:06.23 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | faghat? |
| 14:06.30 | sdrfgaerfaefaefa | lol |
| 14:07.05 | jackweb | how to make translucent gnome-terminal window, but being able to see what windows are below, not the desktop wallpaper? |
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| 14:08.17 | jackweb | I don't want to see my wallpaper when below the gnome-terminal is for example 'google-chrome' |
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| 14:10.16 | Lechieux | jackweb, Use en other terminal =) |
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| 14:10.19 | Lechieux | an* |
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| 14:10.38 | dyek | Hi! How do I switch from gdm to xfce4? What files I need to edit? |
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| 14:12.11 | ZykoticK9 | dyek, gdm and xfce4 are not even the same things. You could use gdm to switch between gnome and xfce4!?!? What do you want to do exactly? |
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| 14:12.51 | dyek | gdm3 crashed |
| 14:13.15 | dyek | It is Wheezy though. |
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| 14:13.45 | skilz | but how do I get WMXMMS2 working? |
| 14:13.49 | Justin | dyek: switch to xdm? |
| 14:14.17 | blue_sky | dyek: kdm or xdm will be an alternative... there may be others. ... of course, kdm will require a lot of KDE to be installed. |
| 14:14.45 | dyek | Justin: What files do I edit? |
| 14:14.47 | Justin | using kdm to start xfce is somewhat pointless |
| 14:14.51 | Justin | dyek: install xdm, remove gdm |
| 14:14.56 | Justin | don't need to edit anything |
| 14:14.57 | skilz | I installed promoe too and that wont play im guessing I need a xmms2 server running or something |
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| 14:15.27 | blue_sky | Justin: I agree, but that doesn't stop it being an option |
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| 14:20.01 | karlpinc_ | slim is a simple *dm alternative. |
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| 14:21.08 | dyek | Does using aptitude to install a package tend to remove some (extra?) packages already installed? How can I avoid aptitude removing packages that I want to keep? |
| 14:21.58 | stew | dyek: "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" or "apt-mark unmarkauto packagename" for packages it wants to automatically remove that you want to keep |
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| 14:24.13 | dyek | stew: Thanks, stew. What if there are a lot of such package? Well, I suppose I can always get a list of such package names, prepare them in an editor and then use the list. Is that the way to do it? |
| 14:24.53 | stew | yes, unless there is some way you can classify them, like by name, or section |
| 14:25.02 | dyek | OK! Thank you. |
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| 14:27.47 | karlpinc_ | dyek: Often you won't need to unmarkauto all of them because if you've many then a lot of the many probably depend on a few. |
| 14:28.13 | karlpinc_ | dyek: Just unmarkauto the ones you know you want to keep. |
| 14:28.29 | dyek | karlpinc_: OK. Thanks for the tip. |
| 14:28.53 | karlpinc_ | dyek: You can always re-install if something gets removed you find you need. |
| 14:29.09 | karlpinc_ | dyek: (Re-install the removed package that is.) |
| 14:29.34 | daniel-s | I recently started getting these error messages when I "apt-get update" |
| 14:29.36 | daniel-s | http://pastebin.com/figVcC6p |
| 14:29.51 | dyek | karlpinc_: Yeah, but that is exactly what I want to prevent -- uninstalling and installing again... Thanks. |
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| 14:30.04 | daniel-s | what's going on? |
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| 14:31.43 | karlpinc_ | dyek: Sure. I'm just saying you don't have to be perfect. |
| 14:32.02 | karlpinc_ | daniel-s: Something is blocking your connection attemps. |
| 14:33.37 | ujjain | can I do apt-get install *.deb? |
| 14:33.38 | karlpinc_ | daniel-s: Is 0.0.31.182 your ip? |
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| 14:34.09 | karlpinc_ | ujjain: No. Use dpkg to install package files. (But why would you need to?) |
| 14:34.30 | ujjain | because dpkg -i seems to install despite dependencies |
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| 14:35.02 | karlpinc_ | ujjain: Yes. |
| 14:35.14 | ujjain | it does NOT seem to |
| 14:35.15 | karlpinc_ | ujjain: gdebi might help. I'm not sure. |
| 14:35.15 | ujjain | does it? |
| 14:35.31 | stew | ujjain: run dpkg -i which will fail on the dependencies, then "aptitude -f install" which will fix the dependencies, then finish the install of the original packages |
| 14:35.51 | ujjain | ah ok, I had issues with it once, but will try again |
| 14:35.57 | karlpinc_ | ujjain: dpkg won't satisfy dependencies. That's up to you if you're manualling isntalling dependencies. |
| 14:36.03 | karlpinc_ | ujjain: Take stew's advice. |
| 14:36.15 | ujjain | the installer is now running, I hope there are no unsatisfied depedencies, it's a fresh server |
| 14:36.18 | stew | or apt-get -f install |
| 14:36.40 | stew | (which might be better in this case becuase aptitude can over think it) |
| 14:36.59 | daniel-s | karlpinc_: no, it's not an IP of any computer on this network |
| 14:37.28 | ujjain | errr |
| 14:37.34 | ujjain | libz.so.1 cannot open shared objcet file |
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| 14:37.53 | twobitsprite | just curious... can anyone think of a good reason why you would ever want a directory +r but not +x? |
| 14:37.53 | ujjain | hmm, will have to deploy template, and try apt-get -f install I guess |
| 14:38.02 | stew | daniel-s: does "echo $http_proxy" return anything? |
| 14:38.17 | karlpinc_ | daniel-s: Then something is poisening your dns and returning that IP as the ip to connect to. (But I don't understand why it says 8118:80.) |
| 14:38.49 | EugenMayer | when a user A is in the group of user B ( group GB ), and a file is owend by B:GB abd has 770 as permissions, why can A not change the ownership to A:GB ? |
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| 14:39.14 | twobitsprite | EugenMayer: which user are you? |
| 14:39.24 | twobitsprite | er, nm, misread |
| 14:39.25 | karlpinc_ | daniel-s: It's probably some sort of proxy that wants you to authenticate before letting you use the web. Or it could be. |
| 14:39.38 | twobitsprite | EugenMayer: only the file owner can change ownership |
| 14:39.51 | EugenMayer | twobitsprite: damn. |
| 14:40.08 | twobitsprite | EugenMayer: changing the ownership of a file is different than writing to the file |
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| 14:40.47 | twobitsprite | EugenMayer: er, hold on a sec, let me try something |
| 14:42.10 | daniel-s | echo $HTTP_PROXY returns http://localhost:8118/ |
| 14:42.18 | daniel-s | which is privoxy |
| 14:42.29 | daniel-s | however, iceweasel works fine with that proxy |
| 14:42.36 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: To allow someone to read directory content but not get into subdirectories or read file content. |
| 14:42.41 | twobitsprite | EugenMayer: nope... I was thinking if A had +w in the directory the file is in it might work, but it doesn't |
| 14:42.46 | daniel-s | and apt-get was working fine with that proxy |
| 14:43.03 | daniel-s | it's only since yesterday that this has started and I cannot remember having changed anything |
| 14:43.12 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: well, I know what you can do with those permissions... I'm trying to think of a useful use-case for such a restriction |
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| 14:43.58 | ujjain | Administra/win 13 |
| 14:44.01 | ujjain | err, wrong window |
| 14:44.03 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: You want the secretary to be able to check that work has been submitted without being able to see the content. |
| 14:44.27 | daniel-s | also, "unset HTTP_PROXY" |
| 14:44.33 | daniel-s | then using apt-get update |
| 14:44.37 | daniel-s | still returns the same errors |
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| 14:51.38 | daniel-s | I think there is something wrong with my proxy settings |
| 14:51.46 | daniel-s | I set custom settings using synaptic |
| 14:51.48 | daniel-s | works fine |
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| 14:52.43 | nonym | hie all |
| 14:52.54 | nonym | i have plugged a blackberry curve on my debian server |
| 14:52.59 | nonym | with USB cable |
| 14:53.08 | nonym | but i can'y see it in /dev |
| 14:53.12 | nonym | no /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 14:53.16 | nonym | any idea? |
| 14:53.19 | nonym | thx in advance |
| 14:53.30 | winter | no drivers? |
| 14:53.36 | gnarface | nonym: its probably not called that anymore. check dmesg |
| 14:53.53 | winter | that's my guess. |
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| 14:54.56 | nonym | gnarface: here is what i see |
| 14:55.02 | gnarface | no no no |
| 14:55.04 | gnarface | don't paste it |
| 14:55.06 | gnarface | pastebin it |
| 14:55.07 | winter | ;p |
| 14:55.08 | nonym | scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access RIM BlackBerry SD 0002 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS |
| 14:55.08 | nonym | sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0 |
| 14:55.08 | nonym | [435289.448562] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 14:55.08 | nonym | [435690.083246] udev[20524]: starting version 164 |
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| 14:55.10 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 14:55.10 | winter | haha |
| 14:55.16 | gnarface | tried to save him |
| 14:55.25 | winter | i saw that |
| 14:55.28 | Bus3rr0r | lol |
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| 14:55.39 | nonym | sorry |
| 14:55.47 | nonym | i'll do a pastebin |
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| 14:56.19 | Bushmills | nonym, just paste it into the channel again, the bot may get used to it |
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| 14:56.36 | winter | :-) |
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| 14:56.58 | gnarface | nonym: its pretty clear from the 4 lines that made it through you should be looking for /dev/sdc instead of /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 14:57.02 | nonym | http://pastebin.com/C3zYQkTR |
| 14:57.09 | nonym | i have a sdc |
| 14:57.09 | winter | yup |
| 14:57.26 | nonym | but i can't use it with gsm-utils |
| 14:57.27 | cahoot | if he's interested of it as disk? |
| 14:57.28 | nonym | ... |
| 14:57.42 | nonym | i want to send sms with gsm-utils |
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| 14:58.17 | winter | no ide about gsm-utils |
| 14:58.21 | Bushmills | lsmod | grep usbserial |
| 14:58.21 | winter | idea* |
| 14:58.35 | gnarface | assumed the point was to mount it as a disk, sorry |
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| 14:58.42 | winter | gnarface: me too |
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| 14:59.21 | nonym | Bushmills: lsmod | grep usbserial =====>nothing |
| 14:59.22 | winter | anyway, time for me to go, i know that no one cares, but well ;p |
| 14:59.41 | jhutchins | nonym: Where did you get the information that you could do tethering with your blackberry? |
| 14:59.43 | Bushmills | nonym, you may have to modprobe usbserial vendor=... product=... |
| 14:59.45 | mads- | Hi. I have a zipfile made from windows. Some of the filenames contain spaces which really fucks it up for me when I try to "unzip file.zip". Does anyone have a workaround of sort for this? |
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| 15:00.15 | nonym | Bushmills: i did a modprobe usbserial but nothing new on /dev |
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| 15:00.32 | wols | mads-: unzip can deal fine with spaces |
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| 15:01.16 | Bushmills | should give you a ttyUSB* |
| 15:01.55 | nonym | Bushmills: no i don't |
| 15:02.06 | nonym | here is my result from usb-devices |
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| 15:02.08 | mads- | wols, then I might be mistaking. But the error is "checkdir error: /something/ exists but is not directory un to process /something/file" |
| 15:02.29 | daniel-s | sorted: thanks for your help stew, karlpinc_ |
| 15:02.30 | nonym | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/gd4TCBVa |
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| 15:02.52 | nonym | Bushmills: is it the one with manufacturer= RIM composite Device?? |
| 15:03.03 | wols | !tell mads- about localized errors |
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| 15:03.40 | Bushmills | vendor:product is what you can see as ID in lsusb |
| 15:03.43 | mads- | wols, that was the actual error . Just with the filename a little different |
| 15:03.54 | mads- | The filename is loooong. Wanted to spare a little space |
| 15:04.18 | nonym | so the phone is Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0fca:8004 Research In Motion, Ltd.? |
| 15:04.20 | wols | mads-: pastebin. and the error message you quoted is not english |
| 15:04.42 | mads- | yessir :) |
| 15:04.45 | nonym | Bushmills: should i unplugge and replugg the phone after doing the usbserial modprobe |
| 15:04.47 | nonym | ? |
| 15:04.54 | wols | looks like something translated from some other language |
| 15:05.01 | Bushmills | shouldn't be necessary |
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| 15:06.10 | mads- | wols, here's the paste: http://pastebin.com/Qkgde1dR |
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| 15:06.51 | nonym | Bushmills: ok, but i still can't see my device in /dev |
| 15:06.52 | nonym | ... |
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| 15:08.22 | nonym | Bushmills: how can i see/make it in /dev ? |
| 15:08.58 | Bushmills | not much use creating it manually if loading the usbserial module doesn't |
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| 15:10.15 | nonym | Bushmills: ok i going to unplugg and replugg to see if anything changes |
| 15:10.38 | hoverbear | Hey all, how "recent" are debian stable package versions? |
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| 15:11.42 | jhutchins | Bushmills: Have you done this with a blackberry? |
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| 15:11.53 | abrotman | hoverbear: depends on the package .. but squeeze released five months ago .. froze almost a year ago |
| 15:11.58 | Bushmills | nope |
| 15:12.14 | skilz | anyone know much about afterstep? |
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| 15:13.01 | jhutchins | hoverbear: If that's something that worries you then Debian is probably not for you. |
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| 15:13.31 | jhutchins | Bushmills: I believe there are some special utilities required which may not be in debian. |
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| 15:13.43 | ujjain | how do I install a package so it will resolve dependencies? I 2x lost lots of time, because dpkg -i did not resolve depdencies, apt-get -f install says can't find package. |
| 15:13.47 | hoverbear | jhutchins: Not particularly, I'm just weighing between Linux Mint's Debian edition, Debian, or some sor tof ubuntu based setup. |
| 15:14.01 | jhutchins | Bushmills: You need to do things like setting the USB to 500ma instead of 100. |
| 15:14.27 | Bushmills | with those, i'd not be of much help. if none are needed, and usbserial alone sufficed to obtain a ttyUSB, he'd be going now. |
| 15:14.47 | hoverbear | jhutchins: I'm coming from arch / Gentoo and want to have a more... simple experience. |
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| 15:15.58 | ujjain | hoverbear: Debian is great, although some users want 2012 bleeding packages implemented, that's Fedora/Ubuntu. Is Arch a lot of work with configuring new packages? |
| 15:15.59 | Bushmills | ujjain: install packages from debian repository. non-debian packages may create dependencies unsolvable with debian packages alone |
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| 15:16.20 | ujjain | Bushmills: the package I want to install is notin the repository |
| 15:16.38 | Bushmills | then read about its requirements in its readme files |
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| 15:17.16 | ujjain | right, will have to search better in docs |
| 15:17.16 | hoverbear | ujjain: Arch is a bit of a hassle and I realy don't like the AUR.... dpkg seems signifigantly better to work with in my opinion. |
| 15:17.38 | hoverbear | ujjain: Gentoo is a joy to use to "muck around" with, but a bit of a pain for everyday things. |
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| 15:17.40 | ujjain | right, if you want flawless integration dpkg is great. |
| 15:17.45 | wols | mads-: the ":" in that filename is not good. how did you create files with names like URLs? |
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| 15:18.01 | ujjain | I see, I was considering using Arch or Gentoo for a while, but I don't like hazzle when I have to do stuff |
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| 15:18.21 | stew | hoverbear: the current debian release was frozen in august 2010, pretty much everything is that old or older, we'll freeze for the next release in mid 2012, and hopefully get the next release before 2013 |
| 15:18.28 | hoverbear | ujjain: Gentoo is great and I really enjoy using it etc. |
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| 15:19.03 | hoverbear | stew: Thatnks for the info. I was under the impression debian was rolling release, but I suppose not. :) |
| 15:19.08 | mads- | wols, They are harvested by a web crawler called HTTrack. And that is what I have to work with :( |
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| 15:19.27 | mads- | Any ideas how I could make it work? |
| 15:19.41 | wols | mads-: filesystem the same as it was when it was zipped? |
| 15:19.52 | Kharec | mads-: juste type "httrack" in a terminal? |
| 15:20.04 | wols | mads-: do you need to unzip it via script or can you use any program you need and do it manually sorta? |
| 15:20.16 | stew | hoverbear: there is the "testing" release which is used to stage the next stable release which some people consider rolling some wouldn't. its not targetted at end users though. debian is discussing the possibility of creating a true rolling release for end users someday... |
| 15:20.33 | mads- | wols: No, it was zipped with Windows or Mac. And I have to do it via a script. There is 100s of them and I have to take one at a tiem |
| 15:20.50 | hoverbear | stew: Alright. Mint's Debian release seems to be rolling, I guess that's because they're pulling partially from unstable. |
| 15:20.51 | mads- | Kharec, I don't have it. What would that help me? |
| 15:20.52 | wols | mads-: I suggest using a (GUI) unpacker you can choose the files. or use mc |
| 15:20.57 | nonym | Bushmills: after disconnect and reconnect the phone, no dev has been created in /dev |
| 15:21.04 | jhutchins_lt2 | hoverbear: On the other hand, some of the packages in Lenny (oldstable) just got updated this week. |
| 15:21.05 | nonym | Bushmills: another idea? |
| 15:21.17 | wols | mads-: must have been a mac cause windows would balk on every ":" |
| 15:21.25 | nonym | weird because we see it with lsusb |
| 15:21.26 | totte | Regarding sources.list, are the repositories prioritized by the order they are written? As in, the repository on line 1 comes before the one on line 2? |
| 15:21.26 | Kharec | mads-: you try to make httrack works, dont you? |
| 15:21.30 | Bushmills | nonym, jhutchins: Bushmills: I believe there are some special utilities required which may not be in debian. |
| 15:21.35 | mads- | Kharec, no :) |
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| 15:21.41 | Kharec | mads-: oops |
| 15:21.43 | hoverbear | jhutchins_lt: Thanks for the info. :) |
| 15:21.51 | Kharec | mads-: I'm sorry. |
| 15:22.11 | wols | tho, some ":" work fine, and some don't. look at the ones which don't work more closely perhaps |
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| 15:22.37 | mads- | wols, I am not a terminal guru or anything, but can't I pipe the filenames through something and remove the ':'s? |
| 15:22.40 | jhutchins_lt | nonym: There are some extra steps to this. It will default to a storage device, but you can get it to work as a modem. As far as sending sms messages I don't know, but you will have to track down instructions on how to tether a blackberry in linux. |
| 15:22.43 | mads- | Kharec, no problemo :) |
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| 15:23.55 | wols | mads-: it's not the ":". some work fine, but not all. must be something else. maybe the "http://"? I dunno, you need to check the ones it errors one more closely and see what is on disk for them |
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| 15:24.29 | mads- | wols, I'll take a closer look at it. Thanks for your time :) |
| 15:25.10 | nonym | jhutchins, what is tether? |
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| 15:25.34 | wols | nonym: what you are trying to do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethering |
| 15:26.43 | lendo | Hi everyone, I searched on google for my problem but didn't find any answer. Everytime I reboot I got this message: mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/lock': File exists any idea ? |
| 15:27.14 | nonym | wols: i dont want to make a internet point |
| 15:27.18 | nonym | just send sms with it |
| 15:27.24 | nonym | using gsm-utils |
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| 15:28.07 | thewanderer1 | guys, is it possible to enter a new namespace without being root? |
| 15:28.38 | abrotman | namespace in what? |
| 15:29.05 | abrotman | lendo: is there an error when you shut it down also ? |
| 15:29.12 | jhutchins_lt | nonym: Tethering is using the cell phone as a modem. |
| 15:29.14 | wols | nonym: you still want to use the mobile comm facility from linux. basically the same thing. which is why jhutchins_lt told you about it |
| 15:29.23 | nonym | ok |
| 15:29.28 | lendo | abrotman: hum.. didn't shutdown yet |
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| 15:29.51 | abrotman | ever? |
| 15:29.58 | lendo | no |
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| 15:30.22 | jhutchins_lt | When I had a blackberry, I used the barry utility to get it to charge properly, but was unable to use it to access other features. I did not follow up on making it work. |
| 15:30.26 | lendo | abrotman: you me to try ? |
| 15:30.31 | lendo | *want |
| 15:30.46 | abrotman | might be a good test |
| 15:30.51 | lendo | ok brb |
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| 15:33.38 | lendo | abrotman: same error |
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| 15:36.35 | abrotman | lendo: shutdown and startup ? |
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| 15:36.44 | abrotman | lendo: ls -ld /var/lock/ ? |
| 15:36.51 | lendo | abrotman: reboot and shutdown |
| 15:37.16 | lendo | drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 60 Jul 6 07:32 /var/lock/ |
| 15:37.32 | abrotman | seems normal .. is there something inside it can't remove? |
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| 15:38.30 | lendo | abrotman: the only file is .ramfs |
| 15:39.01 | blue_sky | is there a list of hardware supported by the netinst iso? Need to see if my NIC (tigon / tg3) is included |
| 15:39.02 | abrotman | do you have a ramfs ? |
| 15:39.13 | abrotman | blue_sky: they require firmware IIRC, right? |
| 15:39.21 | blue_sky | abrotman: I believe so |
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| 15:39.52 | stew | blue_sky: so the netinst will have the required driver but not the required firmware |
| 15:40.00 | abrotman | !tell blue_sky about installer firmware |
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| 15:40.13 | abrotman | !tell blue_sky about firmware images |
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| 15:40.17 | abrotman | that's the one i really wanted, sorry |
| 15:40.20 | lendo | abrotman: dunno what is ramfs |
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| 15:41.00 | lendo | abrotman: I have no swap, is it same thing ? |
| 15:41.01 | wols | Legion: RAM filesystem ? |
| 15:41.16 | wols | no, it's the exact opposite of swap |
| 15:41.21 | lendo | ok |
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| 15:42.14 | patr|ck | when exim complains about a malformed /etc/hosts file, what do i need to put for the domain when i dont have any? |
| 15:42.16 | stevieman | I have a new install of squeeze and while trying to install anythin via apt-get I get the following error " The following packages have unmet dependencies: 'package': depends: 'another package' but it is not going to be insalled. E: Broken Packages |
| 15:42.20 | lendo | I dunno, I didn't play with ramfs.. |
| 15:42.36 | blue_sky | abrotman: OK, either I should use unofficial, or get a USB stick/floppy with the firmware... looks easier to just get the firmware iso, thank you |
| 15:42.39 | patr|ck | stevieman, did you "apt-get update" first? |
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| 15:42.53 | stevieman | patr|ck: it was the first thing I did |
| 15:42.53 | stew | stevieman: show us the actual command and the actual output in a pastebin |
| 15:43.02 | patr|ck | stevieman, try "apt-get -f install" |
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| 15:44.00 | jelly | /etc/rc.boot is gone in Debian 6? |
| 15:44.11 | lendo | wols: How I can see if I use ramfs ? |
| 15:44.33 | stew | jelly: never heard of it |
| 15:44.36 | thewanderer1 | jelly: has it ever existed? I don't recall it since Etch, don't quite remember Sarge |
| 15:44.37 | petemc | jelly: its been gone for years, no? |
| 15:44.43 | stevieman | http://pastebin.com/SuiWtVxq |
| 15:44.45 | petemc | it still worked in lenny |
| 15:44.46 | jelly | petemc: it works in 5.0 |
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| 15:44.49 | petemc | yes |
| 15:44.54 | petemc | but it was deprecated |
| 15:45.12 | stew | stevieman: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 15:45.24 | jelly | well crap |
| 15:45.37 | rvsjoen | speaking of apt-cache policy, does aptitude have something similar ? |
| 15:45.39 | thewanderer1 | jelly: tell rc.local to execute rc.boot... :P |
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| 15:45.48 | stevieman | stew: Sure |
| 15:45.55 | jelly | thewanderer1: rc.local is called at the end of runlevel 2 |
| 15:46.14 | jelly | thewanderer1: rc.boot was run as the end of S |
| 15:46.25 | stevieman | http://pastebin.com/tZTiUWwv |
| 15:46.40 | jelly | this made it nice to run iptables rules that depended on resolver, and other stuff |
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| 15:46.51 | stew | stevieman: right, you only have the security mirror, but you don't have a main debian mirror, see "/msg dpkg squeeze sources.list" |
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| 15:47.15 | stevieman | stew thanks |
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| 15:48.18 | dyek | Hmm... #debian-next is invite only? For a special occasion only? Or ...? |
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| 15:49.00 | blue_sky | If I do an install using the unofficial (with firmware) ISO, will the install process also install the firmware so that my system will boot and run properly post install? |
| 15:49.18 | stevieman | stew: what repositories should I include? |
| 15:49.18 | stew | dyek: its on irc.debian.org, not this network |
| 15:49.30 | stew | stevieman: what country are you in? |
| 15:49.37 | jelly | thewanderer1: I guess I'll (well, my boss will) make an init script that will be called in /etc/rcS.d/S99* |
| 15:49.40 | dyek | stew: Oh! Yeah. Thanks for pointing that out. |
| 15:49.41 | blue_sky | what I mean is, do I have to manually install the firmware once the regular install is done? |
| 15:50.04 | stevieman | stew: canada |
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| 15:50.17 | stew | stevieman: "deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian squeeze main" |
| 15:50.40 | stevieman | stew: ok, thought so. any other ones I should consider? |
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| 15:51.55 | stew | stevieman: that should be enough until you find that something is missing or too far out of date |
| 15:52.27 | stevieman | stew: thanks |
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| 15:59.43 | cncking2000 | Good morning all |
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| 16:01.13 | cncking2000 | I am having an issue with Intel sound on debian testing. I just pulled all updates and installed them, and I have been through all sorts of guides on how to get this to work. I have no issues with sound in Ubuntu or any other OS for that matter. |
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| 16:02.54 | abrotman | you wanted to keep the exact issue a secret? |
| 16:03.00 | cahoot | cncking2000, what does speaker-test -t wav -c2 give? |
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| 16:03.57 | cncking2000 | cahoot: What specifically are you looking for? |
| 16:04.17 | cahoot | do you hear anything from your speakers? |
| 16:04.22 | cncking2000 | Not at all |
| 16:04.34 | cahoot | no error reported+ |
| 16:04.36 | stew | cncking2000: can you tell us what the issue is? |
| 16:05.12 | cncking2000 | But I am not seeing any errors. The issue is that there is no sound with an intel sound card onboard. I am running debian testing. |
| 16:05.29 | cncking2000 | Playback device is defaultStream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels |
| 16:06.01 | stew | cncking2000: can you put the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards ; amixer" into a pastebin? |
| 16:06.15 | cncking2000 | I am not so sure on the pastebin, I have not used it. |
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| 16:06.43 | cncking2000 | alsactl init |
| 16:06.43 | cncking2000 | Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC260" "HDA:10ec0260,103c3012,00100400" "0x103c" "0x3012" Hardware is initialized using a guess method |
| 16:07.24 | stew | cncking2000: go to paste.debian.net and paste the results there, then give us the resulting url so that we see what you pasted |
| 16:07.33 | cncking2000 | Working on it. |
| 16:08.21 | stew | cncking2000: since you have more than one card, "amixer -c2" might be relevant as well |
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| 16:08.56 | cncking2000 | I dont have more than one though that is the confusing part. |
| 16:09.35 | cncking2000 | Here is the pastebin, http://paste.debian.net/122110/ |
| 16:09.39 | cahoot | alsa might see it differently |
| 16:10.21 | cncking2000 | I cant run amixer -c2 |
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| 16:11.53 | cncking2000 | stew: Don't know if you caught it, but I have put what you requested into a pastebin http://paste.debian.net/122110/ |
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| 16:17.09 | kmq | I am trying to package a webapplication for debian, and I am getting confused |
| 16:17.39 | kmq | is there a canonical guide to packaging webapplications ? |
| 16:18.12 | cncking2000 | Any update on the sound issues? Did I miss anything? |
| 16:18.25 | stew | kmq: yes: http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft/html/ |
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| 16:19.59 | kmq | stew: this document descripes "what" to do, I am very unclear on how to do it |
| 16:20.20 | stew | kmq: you'll have to ask a more specific question then |
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| 16:21.32 | soultekkie | whatz the latest kernel available for debian (ubuntu goes on 2.6.38-10) |
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| 16:21.39 | kmq | I understand the general concept: I create a debian/ directory and run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:21.48 | kmq | in it i create a "rules" file |
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| 16:22.04 | stew | kmq: have you looked at the new maintainers guide? |
| 16:22.11 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 16:22.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (3.0.0~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 16:22.17 | stew | soultekkie: ^ |
| 16:22.35 | soultekkie | thanks |
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| 16:23.08 | elperro12 | ola |
| 16:23.37 | soultekkie | so many dvds |
| 16:23.41 | soultekkie | what to download |
| 16:23.52 | kmq | thx stew, I will re-read it. |
| 16:24.01 | stew | soultekkie: the "netinst" cd which is ~150 mb |
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| 16:33.54 | pif | hi, is acroread still available in debian? |
| 16:34.00 | pif | or outside of debian? |
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| 16:35.39 | cncking2000 | Alright, So I have an update on the sound issues, I am now able to hear the mouse moving through the speakers/ |
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| 16:36.39 | cahoot | speaker-test still mute? |
| 16:36.47 | twobitsprite | cahoot: I hear you |
| 16:36.54 | twobitsprite | (see/read/whatever) |
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| 16:37.06 | cahoot | good to see |
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| 16:37.43 | twobitsprite | sorry, just read the lastlog, you're talking about actual speakers aren't you? :P |
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| 16:38.09 | cahoot | cncking2000's |
| 16:38.14 | cncking2000 | Yeah speaker test mute |
| 16:38.16 | stew | pif: debian doesn't have a license to distribute acroread |
| 16:38.23 | cncking2000 | Yeah, real speakers |
| 16:39.08 | cahoot | cncking2000, laptop -no? |
| 16:39.17 | cncking2000 | No desktop |
| 16:39.38 | cncking2000 | HP DC7600 |
| 16:40.09 | cahoot | no chance of cabling error? |
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| 16:41.02 | cncking2000 | No chance of a wiring issue, my laptop works fine, my other desktop works fine, these speakers work fine, and I am not sure what is going on still |
| 16:41.14 | cncking2000 | It was working, but the upgrade to testing broke it. |
| 16:42.05 | cahoot | so an older kernel/alsa worked fine? |
| 16:42.12 | cncking2000 | Yeah |
| 16:42.27 | cahoot | that kernel still bootable? |
| 16:42.45 | cncking2000 | Yeah, I don't think that I have it removed yet. |
| 16:43.01 | cahoot | might be an idea |
| 16:43.09 | cahoot | (i e boot the old) |
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| 16:44.25 | nag | what's the name of the package which tracks package use on a machine? Something *survey*, I believe |
| 16:44.49 | cahoot | popcon? |
| 16:44.55 | stew | nag: popularity-contest |
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| 16:45.09 | cncking2000 | Well the point is to get it working on the new one :) |
| 16:45.14 | nag | thanks, stew |
| 16:45.29 | smoggy | hello everyone |
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| 16:46.15 | cahoot | cncking2000, well if it works with the old kernel chances are there's a bug in the newer wrt your card |
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| 16:46.39 | cncking2000 | Alright so now I am getting a buzzing in the speakers whenever there is HD access, and mouse movement, otherwise they are silent.. |
| 16:46.51 | jhutchins_lt | Progress! |
| 16:46.53 | cncking2000 | I am going to try something else, and I hope that it is working |
| 16:47.10 | jpd | su www-data ; /usr/sbin/apache2 -S says "apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}" |
| 16:47.14 | jpd | what is it and what do I do about it? |
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| 16:48.41 | jhutchins_lt | jpd: /usr/share/doc/apache2*/README.Debian.gz |
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| 16:49.21 | jhutchins_lt | jpd: I think it's in -common or -bin |
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| 16:50.46 | stew | jpd: you can source /etc/apache2/envvars first |
| 16:50.56 | stew | jpd: but what is your actual goal? |
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| 16:51.23 | jpd | make apache2 -S say something more useful than what it is saying |
| 16:51.28 | cncking2000 | So hey there! |
| 16:51.33 | cncking2000 | I got all the sound to work |
| 16:51.59 | stew | jpd: right, and why are you running apache2 -S, I'm guessing that we can help you figure out whatever you are trying to figure out |
| 16:52.12 | stew | jpd: probably by pointing you to the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled directory or so |
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| 16:55.10 | jpd | I was asking #apache about how to make vhosts on the same IP work with an altsubnamed SSL cert |
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| 16:56.29 | jpd | I did manage to work out sites-enabled, thank you. and apache2 appears to work fine, but -S says just that |
| 16:56.51 | stew | jpd: did you source the envvars file? |
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| 16:58.29 | dudz_ | how do i recreate my /dev ? |
| 16:58.30 | cncking2000 | So after further testing, I can gladly say that I managed to fix the issues |
| 16:58.40 | stew | cncking2000: how did you fix it? |
| 16:58.57 | dudz_ | i have just imaged some filesystems but i can't use grub-install from the rescue shell, i'm geting no such device errors |
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| 16:59.13 | cncking2000 | stew: I added options snd-hda-intel model=hp to the end of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 16:59.14 | jpd | hokay, finding envvars and sourcing it has made the thing make somewhat more sense |
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| 16:59.38 | cncking2000 | "options snd-hda-intel model=hp" |
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| 17:01.48 | stew | dudz_: how exactly are you entering the "rescue shell"? |
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| 17:02.21 | dudz_ | from the debian 6.0.1a cd |
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| 17:03.28 | dudz_ | i chose rescue, then selected the root filesystem and executed a shell then mounted my /usr |
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| 17:04.14 | dudz_ | then tried to run grub-install though it doesn't seam to want to read my devices |
| 17:04.21 | jhutchins_lt | dudz_: You need to mount the /dev from the CD environment in the chroot before you chroot. |
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| 17:06.22 | stew | dudz_: exactly what grub-install command are you running? |
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| 17:06.51 | dudz_ | so jhutchins_lt when i get the choice to either execute a shell from my root filesystem or execute a shell from the install environment, i want to choose install environment then mount my root filesystem and mount --bind /dev /mnt/tmp ? |
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| 17:07.37 | simonlnu | why would you mount /dev on tmp/ ? |
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| 17:08.50 | d3t0n4t0r | hi |
| 17:08.56 | d3t0n4t0r | I have windows installed on my notebook |
| 17:09.02 | d3t0n4t0r | but I want to have Debian and Windows on it |
| 17:09.04 | dudz_ | simonlnu, i dono, i need to run my root filesystems version of grub-install ? |
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| 17:09.11 | d3t0n4t0r | it's it possible to create a new partition |
| 17:09.16 | d3t0n4t0r | without losing data? |
| 17:09.17 | tris` | hey all, I'm havin some issues getting a new version of firmware-linux to install |
| 17:09.39 | dudz_ | simonlnu, /mnt/tmp/dev |
| 17:09.42 | tris` | apparently one of the files is in use. |
| 17:09.49 | dudz_ | tmp being my root filesystem that ill chroot too |
| 17:09.58 | dudz_ | then grub-install from in there right ? |
| 17:10.13 | tris` | is it possible to download the package so that i can install it from with dpkg in safe mode later> |
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| 17:10.41 | tris` | I belive it's the radeon firmware it's complaining about |
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| 17:11.19 | stew | dudz_: what is contained in /dev on your install? is it mostly empty? containing some devices? |
| 17:11.28 | stew | dudz_: if you deleted stuff from there, then yes, you should recreated |
| 17:11.31 | stew | recrete it * |
| 17:11.46 | stew | dudz_: can you say how exactly you were invoking grub-install? |
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| 17:13.04 | stew | tris`: "apt-get -d install packagename" will only download to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:13.09 | stew | tris`: what is safe mode? |
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| 17:13.33 | tris` | thanx stew. safe mode - erm..... |
| 17:13.53 | tris` | the second option in grub that doesn't boot in to X or load your network drivers etc |
| 17:14.00 | stew | tris`: why would you use that? |
| 17:14.11 | dudz_ | stew, i was executing grub-install from within my chroot of my roots filesystem |
| 17:14.22 | stew | dudz_: you just typed "grub-install" with no arguments? or what? |
| 17:14.30 | dudz_ | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 17:14.42 | tris` | I'm hoping the problem bit of firmware won't have been loaded and i can overwrite it |
| 17:14.56 | stew | dudz_: and /dev/sda didn't exist? did ANYTHING exist in /dev |
| 17:14.58 | stew | ? |
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| 17:17.51 | d3t0n4t0r | stew: can you rebuild the partitions while installing debian without losing data? |
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| 17:19.55 | SpeedyG | stew: regarding ntp, thats the strange thing.. it's installed and has always worked correctly |
| 17:20.03 | stew | d3t0n4t0r: can you be more specific about what you are trying to do? |
| 17:20.16 | stew | SpeedyG: does it run with "-g" ? |
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| 17:20.29 | d3t0n4t0r | I'm trying to install Debian on my notebook |
| 17:20.38 | d3t0n4t0r | but I got windows installed on it |
| 17:20.46 | d3t0n4t0r | and I want to keep both |
| 17:20.50 | d3t0n4t0r | not keep |
| 17:20.53 | d3t0n4t0r | I wanna keep windows |
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| 17:20.56 | d3t0n4t0r | and install debian |
| 17:21.05 | stew | SpeedyG: what is the virtualization you are using? kvm? virtualbox? vmware? |
| 17:21.13 | SpeedyG | stew: xen |
| 17:21.43 | jpd | d3t0n4t0r: then do so. though you'll need some third party program to make some room for debian. |
| 17:22.05 | d3t0n4t0r | ok |
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| 17:22.13 | d3t0n4t0r | but I'm going to lose data |
| 17:22.16 | d3t0n4t0r | if I do that? |
| 17:22.21 | d3t0n4t0r | *Am I |
| 17:22.22 | stew | jpd: is parted not on the install cd? |
| 17:22.33 | stew | d3t0n4t0r: please don't use the enter key in place of punctuation |
| 17:22.36 | jpd | I haven't the faintest. does that do live NTFS resizing? |
| 17:23.20 | d3t0n4t0r | sorry |
| 17:23.37 | stew | jpd: i'm not sure if it does or not. what do you mean by "live" |
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| 17:24.17 | jpd | resize ntfs without destroying it like IIRC partition commander and a couple others can |
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| 17:25.31 | d3t0n4t0r | it's that so easy? |
| 17:25.35 | d3t0n4t0r | Just resize? |
| 17:25.41 | jpd | nooo |
| 17:25.56 | dudz_ | yeah stew what i've done is booted from the debian 6.0.1a cd, enterd into rescue, selected my root filesystem when prompted to select which device to use for root filesystem, selected the execute a shell in the installer environment, mounted made a dir in /mnt/tmp, mounted my lvroot to it, mounted my lvusr to /mnt/tmp/usr mounted the /dev from the installer to /mnt/tmp/dev chrooted into /mnt/tmp executed grub-install /dev/sda |
| 17:26.27 | jpd | you need a tool that can shrink the filesystem payload inside the partition |
| 17:26.41 | jhutchins_lt | d3t0n4t0r: The installer can resize an NTFS partition - but it's ALLWAYS a good idea to have a current backup any time you mess with the structure of the filesystem. |
| 17:26.51 | dudz_ | then i got a reply from grub-install saying there is no such device |
| 17:27.19 | lechienkitu | cd .. |
| 17:27.19 | stew | dudz_: does '/mnt/tmp/dev/sda' exist? |
| 17:27.23 | lechienkitu | erf, failed |
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| 17:27.33 | dudz_ | stew, yes it does |
| 17:27.42 | jhutchins_lt | dudz_: You need to mount /dev at /mnt/tmp/dev |
| 17:27.42 | d3t0n4t0r | jhutchins: ty |
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| 17:27.53 | dudz_ | i did that jhutchins_lt |
| 17:27.56 | jhutchins_lt | dudz_: You should also probably mount /proc and maybe /sys |
| 17:28.02 | dudz_ | ok |
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| 17:29.36 | jhutchins_lt | dudz_: Let me see if I can find a recipie for you... It's so simple it's hard to remember. |
| 17:29.47 | dudz_ | :) |
| 17:29.47 | Kobaz | so i just upgraded apache from 2.2.15 to 2.2.19 and nwo it won't start: [error] (70023)This function has not been implemented on this platform: Cannot create SSLMutex |
| 17:29.56 | stew | dudz_: its "mount /proc" "mount /sys" from inside the chroot |
| 17:30.13 | dudz_ | oh |
| 17:30.17 | dudz_ | true |
| 17:30.18 | stew | dudz_: or you can do it from outside with --bind the way you did /dev |
| 17:30.26 | dudz_ | yeah thats what i was gonna do bind |
| 17:30.47 | Justin | judd: versions apache2.2-bin |
| 17:30.49 | judd | Package apache2.2-bin on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.2.19-1; wheezy: 2.2.19-1 |
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| 17:31.03 | Justin | Kobaz: did you check the BTS? |
| 17:31.22 | Kobaz | yeah, i found this old one: http://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2010/08/msg00028.html |
| 17:31.51 | jhutchins_lt | !grubrecover |
| 17:31.51 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html . Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
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| 17:32.43 | dudz_ | same no such device when i bind /proc and /sys and re-enter the chroot and try to grub-install /dev/sda |
| 17:33.03 | stew | dudz_: does "fdisk -l" list /dev/sda? |
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| 17:33.20 | dudz_ | in or out of the chroot ? |
| 17:33.24 | stew | either |
| 17:33.56 | jhutchins_lt | dudz_: Did you follow the procedure that dpkg listed? |
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| 17:34.07 | dudz_ | oh |
| 17:34.09 | dudz_ | i missed that |
| 17:34.17 | dudz_ | thanks dpkg |
| 17:34.21 | dudz_ | lol |
| 17:34.25 | dudz_ | jhutchins_lt, even |
| 17:34.26 | dudz_ | :P |
| 17:34.32 | Kobaz | i'm thinking maybe apache 2.2.19 package doesn't have ssl support? |
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| 17:36.55 | stew | judd: depends apache2.2-bin --release wheezy |
| 17:36.57 | judd | Package apache2.2-bin -- depends: libapr1 (>= 1.4.2), libaprutil1 (>= 1.3.2+dfsg), libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 | libaprutil1-dbd-mysql | libaprutil1-dbd-odbc | libaprutil1-dbd-pgsql | libaprutil1-dbd-freetds, libaprutil1-ldap, libc6 (>= 2.4), libcap2 (>= 2.10), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libpcre3 (>= 8.10), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
| 17:37.04 | stew | Kobaz: it links against libssl ^^ |
| 17:37.12 | Kobaz | hmm |
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| 17:38.42 | Kobaz | i guess i'm moving back to 2.2.15 for now |
| 17:38.49 | Kobaz | something is just totally broken |
| 17:39.10 | stew | Kobaz: are you currently trying to mix squeeze and wheezy packages? |
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| 17:39.20 | Kobaz | i'm running unstable |
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| 17:40.41 | stew | Kobaz: if there isn't a bug filed about this, please file one |
| 17:40.45 | dudz_ | what is hd0 ?, if i am using sata i don't need to use that do i ? |
| 17:40.45 | Kobaz | yeah |
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| 17:41.01 | tudon | mouse through speakers? your motherboeard does this. brrriiieep brrrriieeebeeebeeeb. |
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| 17:41.39 | dudz_ | though with grub hd0 just means the first boot device perhaps ? |
| 17:41.53 | stew | dudz_: /boot/grub/device.map says which device hd0 is |
| 17:42.06 | dudz_ | ok |
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| 17:42.51 | SpeedyG | stew: it runs with -g |
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| 17:43.34 | Kobaz | stew: fixed it |
| 17:44.01 | Kobaz | stew: apache2 doesn't also have a depencency for the newer libapr1 |
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| 17:44.15 | stew | Kobaz: is there a bug filed about it? |
| 17:44.31 | Kobaz | dunno i'm checking |
| 17:45.55 | stew | SpeedyG: i know that some virtualization technologies have problems with ntp, i'm not familiar with xen, i'd google for xen and ntp and see what turns up |
| 17:45.58 | Kobaz | stew: don't see one so far |
| 17:46.04 | stew | Kobaz: please file one |
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| 17:58.50 | dudz_ | stew, would it help if i tried to dd my first 512bytes to delete whatever i ahve in mbr ? |
| 17:59.04 | dudz_ | i'm just not sure if its really 512bytes or is it 468bytes or something else ? |
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| 17:59.32 | dudz_ | though i'm still geting no such device |
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| 17:59.51 | dudz_ | so i dont understand really whats happening, but perhaps dd'ing will do something useful ? |
| 18:00.08 | dudz_ | i've read the dpkg advice and that is what i've tried |
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| 18:00.21 | dudz_ | i can't mount /boot into my chroot its giving me invalid argument replies |
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| 18:00.52 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:01.43 | stew | 13:33 < stew> dudz_: does "fdisk -l" list /dev/sda? |
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| 18:01.53 | dudz_ | i also don't know if this makes any difference, its an SSD i'm trying to image onto where i previously made the images from was a sata2 hdd |
| 18:01.57 | dudz_ | yes it shows /dev/sda |
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| 18:03.15 | stew | dudz_: what exactly is the error you get from grub-install? |
| 18:03.43 | SpeedyG | stew: it appeared that purging and reinstalling ntp worked |
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| 18:08.13 | dudz_ | stew, /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk |
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| 18:09.31 | dudz_ | stew, auto-detect of filesystem /dev/mapper/vg01-lvroot failed |
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| 18:10.52 | dudz_ | i don't have enough disk space to do a dd of the entire hard drive which i'm trying to backup to install on my new SSD, that is a 1tb hard drive and my SSD is a 40gb |
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| 18:11.08 | sedulous | how can i check the PGP signature of RPM files on debian? |
| 18:12.39 | Justin | dudz_: wht does file -s /dev/mapper/vg01-lvroot say |
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| 18:13.01 | Justin | sedulous: the same way you check the pgp signature of any file |
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| 18:14.52 | simonlnu | sedulous: with gpg ... |
| 18:15.06 | dudz_ | Justin, from within the chroot it says /dev/mapper/vg01-lvroot block special |
| 18:15.35 | sedulous | Justin, simonlnu: the PGP signature is embedded in the RPM |
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| 18:15.59 | Justin | dudz_: you did not run the command I told you to run |
| 18:16.41 | dudz_ | you told me to run file -s /dev/mapper/vg01-lvroot |
| 18:16.42 | Justin | sedulous: then install rpm |
| 18:16.46 | Justin | yes |
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| 18:17.37 | simonlnu | try with `rpm' (you probably have to install it...) |
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| 18:17.54 | simonlnu | doh, Justin got it |
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| 18:18.08 | dudz_ | Justin, outside the chroot it says file not found |
| 18:18.19 | Justin | dudz_: what does ls -l /dev/mapper/vg01-lvroot show? |
| 18:18.30 | dudz_ | from within or outside of the chroot ? |
| 18:18.31 | Justin | I think you screwed up something activating your logical volumes |
| 18:18.39 | Justin | uhh |
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| 18:18.55 | Justin | dudz_: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:19.08 | Justin | I swear, this is why people should not put / on a logical volume |
| 18:19.14 | dudz_ | i'm trying to install my mbr so my system can boot, its pausing at grub at the moment |
| 18:19.40 | Justin | dudz_: what did you do to break it like that? |
| 18:20.03 | dudz_ | i changed hard drives to an ssd |
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| 18:20.12 | Justin | how ? |
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| 18:20.30 | dudz_ | i used snapshots in lvm to create dd images |
| 18:20.36 | dudz_ | i created dd images out of snapshots even |
| 18:20.42 | stew | dudz_: wait, so you created this drive by copying a 1tb drive to a 40gb drive with dd? |
| 18:21.29 | dudz_ | then i created an lvm on the 40gb, and created logical volumes, then i dd'd over them |
| 18:21.51 | dudz_ | *vg on the 40gb of size of disk, then did lvcreate for the partitions i made images of |
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| 18:22.08 | dudz_ | then dd'd over the top of those lv's in /dev/vg01/lvroot etc |
| 18:22.48 | Justin | dudz_: pastebin the output of the pvs,vgs, and lvs commands |
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| 18:24.39 | adamos | hey guys, I installed a debian squeeze vm cli only and the terminal doesnt show any colours. The same modifications I did to my workstation that runs debian squeeze with gnome to get the proper colors when I do ls and change my PS1 dont work on the vm. Does it have to do anything with xterm? Same thing applies with vim |
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| 18:24.52 | budga | Hi |
| 18:25.02 | Justin | adamos: how are you logging into this vm? |
| 18:25.15 | budga | I deleted /usr/bin when I ment to delete /chroot/usr/bin |
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| 18:25.37 | budga | I found it in ~/.local/... ... ... and cp -Rv it back |
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| 18:25.54 | budga | still i get 'sudo not found' and 'aptitude not found; |
| 18:26.12 | budga | they don't even seem to be in the /usr/bin dir |
| 18:26.15 | budga | why is this? |
| 18:26.20 | Justin | budga: then you didn't copy it back? |
| 18:26.35 | budga | dpkg won't work eithor, so no deb and no build tools |
| 18:26.35 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, budga |
| 18:26.38 | budga | i copyed it back |
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| 18:26.51 | initself | i'm on Lenny and I need wkhtmltopdf |
| 18:26.52 | budga | copied |
| 18:26.53 | initself | http://packages.debian.org/sid/wkhtmltopdf |
| 18:26.53 | Justin | budga: you either copied it back or you didn't. what does ls /usr/bin/ show? |
| 18:26.58 | jham | budga: check whether the old permissions are still set in .local. if yes, do a cp -a back instead |
| 18:27.09 | jham | that will save you some time on fixing permissions |
| 18:27.12 | budga | ls /usr/bin |
| 18:27.12 | initself | Is it as easy as just adding a sid repo to sources.list? |
| 18:27.28 | jham | budga: bash: ls: command not found |
| 18:27.43 | Justin | ls is in /bin/, not /usr/bin/ |
| 18:28.28 | karlpinc_ | !tell initself about search |
| 18:28.33 | jham | Justin: s/bash/$ircclient/ |
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| 18:28.45 | budga | Justin: is right |
| 18:28.50 | uwjesd | After I start xterm I can no longer use the letter "r" on my keyboard. What could be wrong? |
| 18:28.52 | karlpinc_ | !tell initself about apt-file |
| 18:28.59 | budga | the same as /.local/blah blah.. |
| 18:29.17 | budga | so i copied it back |
| 18:29.21 | adamos | Justin: ssh |
| 18:29.32 | budga | ls -a /usr/bin | grep apt |
| 18:29.36 | budga | no apt-get or aptitude |
| 18:29.44 | budga | why can i not use them? |
| 18:29.57 | Justin | budga: is your /home on the same filesystem as / ? |
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| 18:30.24 | budga | No |
| 18:30.39 | Justin | budga: well, you can try again using cp -a |
| 18:30.40 | budga | not same partition |
| 18:30.46 | budga | did |
| 18:30.55 | budga | and recursive for ./bin/* |
| 18:30.58 | Justin | budga: ls -l /usr/bin/apt-get |
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| 18:31.07 | karlpinc_ | uwjesd: Can you use it in a vt? If so then there's something wrong in the xterm config (probably .XResources, I think.) |
| 18:31.12 | karlpinc_ | !tell uwjesd about vt |
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| 18:31.27 | uwjesd | karlpinc_: Same goes for Eterm and Conkeror |
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| 18:31.48 | budga | apt--get not found |
| 18:31.51 | budga | no ditr |
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| 18:32.02 | budga | sorry hoard to type w/ laptop on knees |
| 18:32.09 | uwjesd | budga: Try apt-get. |
| 18:32.18 | budga | no. |
| 18:32.20 | karlpinc_ | uwjesd: When _can_ you use it? |
| 18:32.21 | Justin | budga: ls -l /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 18:32.26 | budga | i told you it doesnt work |
| 18:32.26 | budga | why would it work now? |
| 18:32.32 | budga | justin again not found |
| 18:32.33 | budga | brah |
| 18:32.47 | Justin | well for one ls does not print "not found" |
| 18:32.50 | uwjesd | budga: If you type it right you increase the posibility of it working. |
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| 18:33.08 | Justin | budga: again, either you copied the files back to /usr/bin, or you didn't |
| 18:33.15 | budga | ;p |
| 18:33.19 | Justin | budga: if you don't have /usr/bin/apt-get then you clearly did not copy the files back |
| 18:33.19 | budga | I did. |
| 18:33.28 | uwjesd | karlpinc_: In the real Terminal for example. |
| 18:33.37 | budga | however even looking in .Trash/files/bin there is not apt-get |
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| 18:33.47 | uwjesd | karlpinc_: In ratpoison, too. |
| 18:33.52 | Justin | budga: then you deleted it, congratulations |
| 18:33.52 | budga | as stated apt-get isn't even in the trash |
| 18:34.13 | budga | Justin, however with thunar so it should be in trash |
| 18:34.27 | budga | things from weeks ago still here |
| 18:34.29 | Justin | budga: whether or not it SHOULD be does not change the fact that it is not |
| 18:34.36 | budga | ;p |
| 18:34.45 | karlpinc_ | uwjesd: And how long has this been going on? |
| 18:34.47 | budga | and restircted library computers cannot burn iso |
| 18:34.55 | uwjesd | budga: Download the deb from the debian site and install it with dpkg -i as root. |
| 18:35.06 | budga | my thoughts too. |
| 18:35.16 | Justin | dpkg is in /usr/bin/ |
| 18:35.16 | dpkg | no idea, Justin |
| 18:35.27 | uwjesd | karlpinc_: Just since I started my computer up an hour ago. |
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| 18:35.57 | budga | roots path should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, usr/sbin, /sbin |
| 18:36.05 | budga | on dpkg |
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| 18:36.33 | Justin | budga: dpkg is in /usr/bin/. the users path is irrelevant if you deleted the binary |
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| 18:37.26 | budga | that is the output of dpkg -i pkg.deb |
| 18:37.29 | budga | roots path should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, usr/sbin, /sbin |
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| 18:37.43 | amiral | hello |
| 18:38.02 | Justin | budga: oh, so you have dpkg, but you deleted everything that dpkg requires to work |
| 18:38.09 | budga | ;p |
| 18:38.14 | amiral | i would to know if it'is possible to install the xen kernel and tools at the installation of the debian |
| 18:38.20 | budga | i didn't have dpkg until i copied baclk |
| 18:38.31 | budga | but still |
| 18:38.34 | Justin | budga: do you have another debian system? |
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| 18:39.17 | budga | dpkg-deb to be exact |
| 18:39.18 | budga | NO |
| 18:39.28 | budga | only restricted library computer |
| 18:39.35 | budga | reinstall but no blankcd and unetbootin blocked |
| 18:39.55 | karlpinc_ | uwjesd: Well, there's all those X keyboard mapping thingies. xmodmap etc. And there's the console-setup package, but none of this would explain ratpoison. What window manager? What version of debian? |
| 18:40.00 | Justin | budga: is your system currently online? |
| 18:40.06 | budga | ... n |
| 18:40.08 | budga | no |
| 18:40.20 | budga | why? |
| 18:40.21 | Justin | budga: well, you're pretty much hosed then unless you can figure out where those files went |
| 18:40.26 | budga | no build tools or dpkg |
| 18:40.31 | karlpinc_ | amiral: Check the installation guide. I believe so, but you probably need to be in expert mode. |
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| 18:41.15 | uwjesd | karlpinc_: ratpoison, 6.0 |
| 18:41.29 | budga | shoot |
| 18:41.30 | karlpinc_ | hasn't been paying attention but wonders if budga's disk is broken. |
| 18:41.34 | budga | man shoo |
| 18:41.40 | Justin | karlpinc_: no, it's not |
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| 18:41.50 | budga | next time |
| 18:41.58 | budga | chmod bad /chroot |
| 18:42.07 | budga | chown bad /chroot |
| 18:42.18 | karlpinc_ | uwjesd: Ok. (I thought you said it worked in ratpoison.) |
| 18:42.25 | Justin | budga: you don't have a /usr/bin in that chroot, do you? |
| 18:42.36 | uwjesd | karlpinc_: It does. |
| 18:42.39 | budga | rm -rf |
| 18:42.49 | budga | not a clean one |
| 18:42.56 | budga | no apt tools |
| 18:43.01 | uwjesd | karlpinc_: You asked me what my window manager is. |
| 18:43.05 | budga | more basic |
| 18:43.16 | budga | like just a shell and some dir tools |
| 18:43.21 | karlpinc_ | uwjesd: ratpoison has it's own terminal emulator? |
| 18:43.28 | budga | shoot |
| 18:43.30 | amiral | Ok thanks cause the normal mode i didnt' see Virtualisation like in CentOS or Suse, but i need it cause i'm workin on a research and i cannot have access to the internet to upgrare or install new package |
| 18:43.31 | karlpinc_ | uwjesd: Or you mean it just works as a key. |
| 18:43.32 | budga | well, i guess... |
| 18:43.38 | budga | i go smash my laptop |
| 18:43.42 | Justin | budga: you can try find / -name apt-get |
| 18:43.50 | Justin | if you still have find :) |
| 18:44.01 | Guest4670 | Hi there! Does anyone have experience on installing debian 6.0 on existing SW raid? |
| 18:44.04 | uwjesd | karlpinc_: The r-key works with ratpoison. |
| 18:44.05 | karlpinc_ | Justin: He may have to run updatedb first. |
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| 18:44.27 | Justin | karlpinc_: updatedb is not used for find |
| 18:44.35 | karlpinc_ | Justin: *doh* |
| 18:45.17 | budga | no apt-get |
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| 18:45.57 | karlpinc_ | uwjesd: The question is, what happened? What changed? I'm about out of ideas, aside from perhaps looking at the X keyboard map. But that won't say why. |
| 18:46.14 | budga | well |
| 18:46.21 | budga | again bak to smashing it |
| 18:46.46 | stew | budga: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:46.51 | karlpinc_ | uwjesd: You could do some stupid things like re-pulugging the keyboard or rebooting.... But that won't help say why either. |
| 18:46.54 | Justin | stew: he deleted most of /usr/bin/ |
| 18:47.14 | stew | Justin: i've gathered |
| 18:47.48 | stew | Justin: what's the current goal? |
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| 18:48.04 | uwjesd | karlpinc_: Already restarted. |
| 18:48.16 | Justin | stew: he's basically hosed. he has no network connection |
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| 18:48.29 | laidback_01 | Guest4670: you'll want to google for ways of installing debian into a jail if you have a system already installed on the machine. If you just want to use the existing raid, ... I'm not sure it's all that hard, the existing kernels do support root/raid iirc. |
| 18:48.33 | uwjesd | karlpinc_: Keyboard is connected just fine. Problem only occurs in X. |
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| 18:48.53 | uwjesd | Xorg guys don't know jack about it though. |
| 18:48.54 | frank__ | the one with the /usr/bin problem. |
| 18:48.57 | karlpinc_ | uwjesd: As long as you're going there power cycle the hardware. (But really, I can't see it helping.) |
| 18:48.59 | uwjesd | They are not even trying. |
| 18:48.59 | stew | uwjesd: use xev to see what keysym the key generates |
| 18:49.13 | Justin | stew: oh, he left anyway |
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| 18:49.28 | frank__ | Is there a pen drive version of debian that is just a console with the basic debian tools loike apt? |
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| 18:49.39 | frank__ | no gui |
| 18:49.44 | karlpinc_ | !debian-live |
| 18:49.44 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 18:49.55 | stew | frank__: you can use an installer iso |
| 18:49.58 | aleray | hi, i have some troubles with logrotate which is not doing its job on my virtualhosts |
| 18:50.09 | frank__ | i thought that |
| 18:50.14 | aleray | although it works for the other logs |
| 18:50.15 | karlpinc_ | frank__: Debian-live has a basic system. And like stew said, the installer would work. |
| 18:50.24 | frank__ | any docs on the dir structures of the iso? |
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| 18:51.07 | karlpinc_ | frank__: If you want to mess with it live-helper lets you build your own live system. |
| 18:51.08 | uwjesd | stew: I only get a lot of keymapNotify 27 events. |
| 18:51.12 | stew | frank__: whater you going to try to do? |
| 18:51.13 | aleray | here is /etc/logrotate.d/virtualhosts: http://dpaste.com/563972/ |
| 18:51.18 | frank__ | i don't have a base debian |
| 18:51.23 | frank__ | i have only windows to work from |
| 18:51.41 | stew | frank__: and what are you trying to do? |
| 18:51.55 | karlpinc_ | frank__: You could use debian-live to build a debian-live system.... But yes, what's the goal? |
| 18:52.01 | frank__ | just a basic pen drive install with console, and maybe binutils and wget |
| 18:52.10 | aleray | and `ls /var/www/*/log/*.log` does show me the log files I want to rotate |
| 18:52.11 | karlpinc_ | stew: How come you always ask the good quetsinos? |
| 18:52.27 | frank__ | maybe a cut down xfce |
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| 18:53.21 | frank__ | whats on business card? |
| 18:53.24 | frank__ | could that work? |
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| 18:53.32 | Guest4670 | laidback_01: googled, nothing found. Installation is not that hard. The installer could mount /dev/md0p4 at boot it can not mount. i have insmod raid, raid5rec, mdraid in bootloader conf. what existing kernels do support? installed 2.6.32-5 |
| 18:53.32 | frank__ | just mount it with a loop |
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| 18:53.49 | frank__ | wait.. |
| 18:53.53 | frank__ | windows base... |
| 18:53.58 | stew | frank__: are you going to reinstall debian? or try to repair you current install? |
| 18:54.01 | rook2pawn | is there a laptop of choice for debian? any recommendations? |
| 18:54.05 | frank__ | wipe hd |
| 18:54.08 | frank__ | and use pendrive only |
| 18:54.18 | frank__ | save nothing |
| 18:54.19 | stew | frank__: use pendrive to do what? |
| 18:54.26 | frank__ | things |
| 18:54.37 | frank__ | basic compting |
| 18:54.38 | frank__ | programming |
| 18:54.55 | frank__ | soo binutils is enough for me |
| 18:54.56 | frank__ | and wget |
| 18:55.10 | karlpinc_ | rook2pawn: People seem to like the thinkpad. See also linuxlaptops.org. Or buy one with debian pre-installed. (I've used eracks.com. YMMV.) |
| 18:55.10 | frank__ | so what is on business card? |
| 18:55.30 | stew | frank__: the business-card contains nothing but an installer. and it requires the network to download the base packages |
| 18:55.40 | laidback_01 | Guest4670: well... I switched to sabayon yesterday for goofy reasons, but ... you could always just install debian to a non-raid partition, compile up a raid supporting kernel and go. |
| 18:55.49 | frank__ | and what is in the base-system |
| 18:55.54 | frank__ | should i change chan am i off topic? |
| 18:55.56 | stew | frank__: sounds like you perhaps want debian-live, which comes in a iso hypbrid for running from a pen-drive and has a xfce variant |
| 18:56.08 | frank__ | too bulky |
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| 18:56.30 | stew | frank__: then it sounds like you don't want debian at all. perhaps ##linux can help you find a different distro? |
| 18:56.39 | frank__ | lol |
| 18:56.40 | frank__ | xfce part |
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| 18:57.14 | frank__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.1-i386-standard.iso |
| 18:57.16 | frank__ | this |
| 18:57.21 | frank__ | no gui |
| 18:57.41 | stew | frank__: what do you mean by "xfce part"? |
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| 18:57.58 | stew | frank__: i was suggesting an xfce version because you said "14:52 < frank__> maybe a cut down xfce" |
| 18:58.04 | frank__ | what is special about the rescue |
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| 18:58.13 | frank__ | do live have docs? |
| 18:58.32 | karlpinc_ | frank__: And you can always install new packages on a debian-live system, although whether they stick between reboots depends on writability of the underlying media. |
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| 18:58.38 | stew | frank__: http://live.debian.net/manual/ro/ |
| 18:58.52 | frank__ | karlpinc_: i'd not do that |
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| 18:58.58 | simonlnu | frank__: www.debian.org/CD/live/ or what stew gave you |
| 18:59.16 | stew | frank__: the rescue version doesn't have a gui |
| 18:59.17 | frank__ | I'd want to have them stick (the ones i NEED such as links, and wget, and build utils) |
| 18:59.46 | stew | it wouldn't have links |
| 19:00.00 | frank__ | so i would mount it with loop |
| 19:00.04 | frank__ | and make it have it |
| 19:00.11 | karlpinc_ | frank__: Sticks are writable. I'm unclear on how saving current state works though. |
| 19:00.29 | frank__ | security leak = saving session |
| 19:00.56 | frank__ | why else would i wipe a 180gb hd and not use it? |
| 19:01.03 | frank__ | if i wanted to save, i'd use hd. |
| 19:01.04 | stew | i don't think "and make it have it" is going to go as easily as he thinks it might |
| 19:01.06 | karlpinc_ | frank__: True, but writable media is even more of a risk. |
| 19:01.27 | frank__ | loud bangs on the door, and the microwave takes care of usb |
| 19:01.41 | stew | frank__: if you want to create a customized version of debian-live with links, you'll want to look at the live-build package |
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| 19:01.49 | frank__ | or |
| 19:01.56 | frank__ | just mount on loop |
| 19:01.58 | frank__ | chroot |
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| 19:03.32 | Guest4670 | laidback_01: Thanks! Seems to be a feasible solution Installing to a physical partition , get newer kernel with raid support and copy partition to raid :-) |
| 19:03.58 | laidback_01 | use rsync for the copy part |
| 19:04.01 | laidback_01 | skip /dev |
| 19:04.03 | laidback_01 | and /proc |
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| 19:05.49 | jelly-home | or do --one-file-system |
| 19:06.00 | simonlnu | and /sys, or that |
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| 19:07.57 | jelly-home | Guest4670: if you already installed it and just need to fix the boot process, boot a livecd, mount, chroot, and make sure mdadm.conf and fstab are valid before doing update-initramfs, that should do the trick |
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| 19:11.36 | juji | any suggestions on a (secure) crypted filesystem? |
| 19:12.31 | twobitsprite | juji: well, I was going to suggest an insecure crypted filesystem... but... :P |
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| 19:12.44 | juji | twobitsprite, lol |
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| 19:13.58 | twobitsprite | juji: I hear a lot of good things about truecrypt, but I don't use cryped filesystems |
| 19:15.31 | juji | twobitsprite, i was looking into that too, but i don't know if its good enough to let it store lots of GBs of sensible data |
| 19:15.58 | twobitsprite | juji: I don't think the encryption mechanism will make a difference in that regard |
| 19:16.23 | juji | twobitsprite, i'll try it then; i hope that it'll not screw my data :) |
| 19:16.28 | twobitsprite | as I understand it, the physical volume itself is encrypted, and then there's a normal underlying filesystem like ext4 which would handle large files, etc |
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| 19:17.38 | twobitsprite | juji: but if you're encrypting existing data, it's always recommended to backup first |
| 19:17.58 | juji | twobitsprite, yeah i'll backup them in a pen drive |
| 19:18.16 | twobitsprite | you can always destroy the backup after you've confirmed the encryption didn't mess up your data |
| 19:18.31 | twobitsprite | (shred is a good tool for that) |
| 19:18.49 | juji | i'll wipe them :) |
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| 19:19.22 | thewanderer1 | juji: can't you just use LUKS and cryptsetup? then it doesn't matter what FS you use |
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| 19:19.53 | twobitsprite | well, if you've already got sensitive data on the volume (and hence in the backup) I'd recommend the shred command... it'll make it very difficult to recover the destroyed data |
| 19:20.14 | juji | thewanderer1, it doesnt really matter if the encryption is on the fs level, but that the data can be accessed only by my key; so yeah, if you recommend me it, i'll try |
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| 19:20.45 | twobitsprite | I thought both LUKS and truecrypt would encrypt at the volume level, making them both FS agnostic |
| 19:20.48 | thewanderer1 | juji: running with it on a laptop, it's doing great. also, TrueCrypt is non-free... :/ |
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| 19:21.06 | twobitsprite | what's non-free about truecrypt? it's open source |
| 19:21.10 | jelly-home | Guest4670: oh, you said md0p4. grub2 doesn't support partitioned md arrays. I used extlinux instead, installed on /dev/md0 |
| 19:21.45 | juji | thewanderer1, i'm installing cryptsetup |
| 19:21.57 | Guest4670 | jelly-home: I am on the same pc with ubuntu. I can mount from here. what is mdadm.conf ? I do not hav in /etc |
| 19:22.31 | Guest4670 | I believe it supports, since the existing system is partitioned same way |
| 19:22.33 | jelly-home | Guest4670: configuration file for mdadm to know which arrays to configure on bootup. /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 19:22.41 | thewanderer1 | twobitsprite: this was the reason for concern: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#TrueCrypt (and still is) |
| 19:22.50 | jelly-home | Guest4670: do you have an ARRAY line for your md0 listed in there? |
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| 19:24.03 | Guest4670 | jelly-home: ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=3 UUID=92272068:f3f61f3f:f1e7821c:d88193fe |
| 19:24.38 | jelly-home | so that's presumably correct |
| 19:24.44 | jelly-home | oh, a raid5 |
| 19:25.49 | jelly-home | Guest4670: I guess you don't have a /boot separate from that raid5? |
| 19:25.58 | totte | I've set the hostname in every way imaginable yet it still shows up with a blank name in the DHCP clients list of my D-Link DIR-655, anyone got an idea as to why this could be? |
| 19:25.59 | Guest4670 | but on the newly installed system has only DEVICE partitions empty mdadm.conf |
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| 19:26.31 | totte | hostname, uname, sysctl kernel.hostname... I've done it all. |
| 19:26.59 | stew | totte: there is a "send host-name" directive which is normally commented out in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
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| 19:27.20 | jelly-home | Guest4670: so where did that line come from? |
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| 19:27.28 | Guest4670 | i have /boot on /dev/md0p1 |
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| 19:28.05 | jelly-home | Guest4670: I don't know if that system can be made bootable without a separate disk at all |
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| 19:28.23 | totte | stew: Thank you, thank-you-thank-you-thank-you!! |
| 19:28.27 | Guest4670 | jelly-home: I seem to have correct config on existing system, but the new debian installation has empty config |
| 19:28.35 | stew | totte: :) |
| 19:28.40 | jelly-home | Guest4670: does the existing system boot? |
| 19:28.54 | Guest4670 | yes. I writing from there |
| 19:29.03 | simonlnu | dpkg: test |
| 19:29.03 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 19:29.15 | jelly-home | Guest4670: and which disk does it boot from, one of the array members of md0? |
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| 19:30.16 | Guest4670 | jelly-home md0p1 boots, bootloader is on /dev/sda |
| 19:30.40 | jelly-home | Guest4670: but if sda died you'd be left with an unbootable machine |
| 19:31.02 | jelly-home | Guest4670: if that's ok with you, you can make Debian behave the same |
| 19:31.41 | jelly-home | Guest4670: pastebin the output of "mdadm --examine --scan -v", please |
| 19:31.49 | Guest4670 | jelly-home: right. |
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| 19:35.04 | Guest4670 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/PJaKjC0F |
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| 19:36.28 | Guest4670 | jelly-home: I wonder if I would add these 2 lines into new system's mdadm.cfg. .....what will happen? |
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| 19:38.25 | jelly-home | Guest4670: add them, run update-initramfs -u -k all, then you should be able to boot debian using the current boot loader |
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| 19:38.46 | jelly-home | Guest4670: oh -- also run dpkg-reconfigure mdadm in Debian |
| 19:38.59 | jelly-home | and follow the instructions ;-) |
| 19:39.49 | jelly-home | your chroot will need to have /proc and /sys and probably /dev mounted |
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| 19:40.06 | mngrif | is there a way to have apt tell me why a package was held back from being updated? |
| 19:40.13 | Guest4670 | jelly-home: thanks I will try. |
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| 19:41.13 | stew | mngrif: /msg dpkg held back |
| 19:41.20 | mngrif | stew: thanky |
| 19:41.31 | stew | your welky |
| 19:41.34 | mngrif | haha |
| 19:42.06 | mngrif | i wonder if theres a way to print out dpkg's database... |
| 19:42.14 | mngrif | the bot, dpkg. |
| 19:42.15 | stew | mngrif: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 19:42.57 | mngrif | leave it to the debian guys to come up with everything |
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| 19:44.50 | freebird_ | hello you guys, |
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| 19:45.46 | freebird_ | I had a problem with my pc, had to change my mother board, after the change, everything worked fine, but the youtube wont show any videos, I get a black screen, in all browsers and even in the windows I've in the vmware |
| 19:46.02 | freebird_ | how do I fix that ? purging and reinstalling wont work |
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| 19:47.58 | Guest4670 | jelly-home: I can not chroot on 32bit system. New debian is 64bit. Have to reboot and use liveCD |
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| 19:48.22 | jelly-home | do eet |
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| 19:48.44 | jelly-home | Guest4670: or install a 64bit kernel in the old system ;-) |
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| 19:50.21 | totte | Hey I don't get this - there's the isc-dhcp-client and the dhcp3-client, the latter being a "transitional package". Do I need the dhcp3 for something or will it make do with the isc-dhcp one? |
| 19:50.23 | Guest4670 | jelly-home: I m not an expert, just a lame beginner reboot is more simple ;-) |
| 19:50.50 | jelly-home | you don't sound lame |
| 19:51.12 | Guest4670 | jelly-home: thanx |
| 19:51.25 | valdyn | totte: the purpose of this transitional package is to depend on isc-dhcp-client |
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| 19:52.11 | totte | valdyn: Some sort of backwards compatibility then? |
| 19:52.17 | valdyn | totte: it does not contain anything else |
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| 19:52.39 | totte | valdyn: Oh, cool. Thanks. |
| 19:52.46 | valdyn | totte: yea, for people who had the older dhcp3-client that is replaced by isc-dhcp |
| 19:53.15 | freebird_ | any ideas you guys ? why am I able to open flash web sites,b ut youtube wont show anything |
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| 19:55.04 | Vachaun22_AtWrk | which repository is evolution-mapi located in? |
| 19:55.23 | stew | judd: versions evolution-mapi |
| 19:55.23 | judd | Package evolution-mapi on i386 -- sid: 0.30.3-2 |
| 19:55.45 | stew | Vachaun22_AtWrk: it appears to only be in unstable, you might check http://packages.qa.debian.org/evolution-mapi to see why |
| 19:56.00 | Vachaun22_AtWrk | crap....i will check that, thanks stew |
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| 19:56.39 | stew | !dbugs 615018 |
| 19:56.44 | dpkg | #615018:G[evolution-mapi] evolution-mapi: Package is uninstallable, please upgrade to 0.32 (); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:12:02 UTC [] |
| 19:57.03 | Vachaun22_AtWrk | waiting for openchange, samba4 |
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| 19:58.39 | Vachaun22_AtWrk | thanks stew, appreciate the help |
| 19:59.05 | classico | what's the difference between mounting to /mnt or /media? |
| 19:59.20 | Bushmills | classico, the mount point |
| 19:59.36 | classico | for a logical partition or an external hdd drive |
| 20:00.12 | ZykoticK9 | classico, fuse typically uses /media/FOO for mount points, so better to use /mnt or another folder you create |
| 20:00.28 | stew | classico: typically /media is used for removable media, perhaps automounted for users, /mnt used by the administrator temproarily, you might see "man hier" |
| 20:00.32 | classico | there must be a reason why sometimes i read /mnt but the default cdrom mount point is in /media |
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| 20:01.03 | classico | ok, i'm gonna take a look, thanks |
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| 20:05.33 | freebird_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.53 | luxor | hi here, normally ~/.bash_profile is open at session login right ? |
| 20:05.58 | luxor | is loaded*** |
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| 20:06.55 | luxor | but i have to source each time |
| 20:07.00 | luxor | can you explain why ? |
| 20:07.23 | valdyn | luxor: its not really a login bash |
| 20:07.24 | t3a | what is Debain? Is there anything that makes it debian other than the DE, package manager and other programs? |
| 20:07.41 | valdyn | totte: none of the above make debian |
| 20:07.45 | valdyn | err |
| 20:07.51 | valdyn | t3a: none of those |
| 20:07.58 | t3a | then what |
| 20:07.58 | valdyn | !policy |
| 20:07.58 | dpkg | policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
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| 20:08.06 | valdyn | t3a: ^^ |
| 20:08.08 | freebird_ | you guys, please, |
| 20:08.11 | freebird_ | any ideas, |
| 20:08.20 | valdyn | !tell freebird_ -about smart questions |
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| 20:08.31 | luxor | valdyn: right, but when i log into my user using GUI, this file is loaded, no ? |
| 20:08.36 | freebird_ | valdyn, what do you mean by that man ? |
| 20:08.37 | stew | t3a: also see the social contract, the dfsg and the debian constitution |
| 20:08.42 | freebird_ | what's wrong with my question ? |
| 20:09.01 | valdyn | luxor: no, not necessarily, its only for login shells and only if that login shell is bash |
| 20:09.13 | valdyn | luxor: maybe you really want to use .profile |
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| 20:10.10 | valdyn | luxor: or maybe you really want this contents to be evaluated when you log into X, which is not a shell like that at all |
| 20:10.22 | twobitsprite | freebird_: if it doesn't work in windows either, it's most likely not a debian problem... |
| 20:10.29 | luxor | in fact i want to make aliase valdyn |
| 20:10.57 | valdyn | luxor: put aliases into ~/.bashrc |
| 20:11.08 | luxor | right valdyn, thanks |
| 20:11.10 | freebird_ | twobitsprite, well, what could it be ? flash plays ok, |
| 20:11.17 | freebird_ | any website with flash, goes ok, |
| 20:11.20 | freebird_ | twobitsprite, |
| 20:11.31 | twobitsprite | freebird_: anything else... youtube, network, etc |
| 20:11.32 | freebird_ | that's weird, and happened after changing my mb |
| 20:11.43 | twobitsprite | video chip on the board... |
| 20:11.46 | freebird_ | sound everything ok, |
| 20:12.02 | freebird_ | but no videos and music in the videos, everything goes black |
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| 20:12.09 | luxor | work perfect |
| 20:12.14 | freebird_ | twobitsprite, |
| 20:12.15 | luxor | thanks again |
| 20:12.17 | stew | freebird_: which flash player are you using? if you are using a free implementation it might be that some sites have upgraded to a newer flash version than what is supported by the free flash player |
| 20:12.39 | twobitsprite | stew: he said it doesn't work in windows either |
| 20:12.54 | freebird_ | well, it was all fine last thursday, and now, wednesday, not anymore, I think it's not that, |
| 20:12.55 | stew | twobitsprite: so? |
| 20:13.09 | freebird_ | I mean, that incompatibility wont happen so soon |
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| 20:13.22 | stew | freebird_: which flash player are you using? |
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| 20:13.36 | freebird_ | stew how do I check that ? |
| 20:13.50 | twobitsprite | stew: just saying, most people don't worry about alternative implementations of flash in windows, but I suppose it's possible. |
| 20:14.20 | freebird_ | chrome shows my |
| 20:14.21 | freebird_ | Flash - Versão: 10.3.181 |
| 20:14.21 | freebird_ | Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181 |
| 20:14.22 | stew | i could really care less whether it works for him in windows or not, frankly |
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| 20:14.33 | freebird_ | Steaven`, |
| 20:14.35 | freebird_ | sorry, stew |
| 20:15.01 | twobitsprite | stew: just sounds to me like it's a problem outside of the debian, but whatever, knock yourself out :) |
| 20:15.06 | stew | freebird_: for youtube, you can skip flash and try using their html5 support: http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 20:16.38 | freebird_ | stew niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee my friend |
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| 20:17.01 | freebird_ | see twobitsprite , stew is right, sometimes, at least 'trying' it's worth it |
| 20:17.14 | freebird_ | stew tks man |
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| 20:21.11 | Akuw | hi |
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| 20:23.04 | Akuw | how can i install apache ant and apache maven ? |
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| 20:24.59 | Camelek | anyone wants to play with me Warzone2100? :] |
| 20:25.20 | Justin | Akuw: there are packages for them. install them like any other package |
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| 20:26.48 | zapadlo | Akuw Afaik only maven 2 is in the repositories |
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| 20:28.55 | Akuw | hummmm, ok |
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| 20:30.32 | TehRabbitt | question, is it possible to bond two gigabit eth0 and eth1 connections on my server? |
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| 20:32.22 | TehRabbitt | ? |
| 20:32.50 | kingsley | If the "lpq" command reported print job "1234", how would you remove that job? |
| 20:33.07 | Justin | lprm ? |
| 20:33.25 | kingsley | Justin: Yes, I thought so too. |
| 20:34.04 | kingsley | Justin: But, at least for me, lprm fails with "lprm: The printer or class was not found". |
| 20:34.10 | stew | TehRabbitt: see the ifenslave-2.6 package and bonding.txt in the kernel source documentation |
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| 20:37.36 | TehRabbitt | stew: thanks |
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| 20:38.26 | TehRabbitt | stew: so i'm gonna need a custom kernel? |
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| 20:39.11 | stew | TehRabbitt: not if you use a debian kernel. you can check with "grep BONDING /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 20:39.17 | Justin | kingsley: you using cups? |
| 20:39.28 | kingsley | Justasic: Indeed I am. |
| 20:39.49 | Justasic | lol tab-complete fail |
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| 20:40.36 | Justin | kingsley: with cups-bsd installed? |
| 20:40.43 | Justin | kingsley: do you have better luck using the web interface? |
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| 20:40.54 | action09 | hi all |
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| 20:41.12 | sm1 | hey |
| 20:41.29 | kingsley | Justin: For once, you're right again. Yes, cups-bsd is installed. |
| 20:42.19 | Justin | kingsley: I'm right all the time :-P |
| 20:42.33 | Justin | kingsley: well, i'd try the web interface, if that acts screwy too then you know it's not you |
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| 20:46.47 | totte | I've got a small ARM device with Debian preinstalled. I purged it of everything I didn't need which caused some useful scripts and the like to be deleted as well. One of the scripts controlled a LED that will light up when the device boots and turn off when it's been shut down. The script was installed by a .deb but I'm having trouble finding where the particular script may be located once installed - any ideas? I've rummaged through /etc for a while but h |
| 20:46.47 | totte | found anything so far. |
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| 20:48.21 | Bushmills | totte, is there a /sys/class/led directory on the device? |
| 20:48.31 | totte | Yeah. |
| 20:48.31 | Bushmills | leds, actually |
| 20:48.38 | totte | Uh... |
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| 20:49.11 | totte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.33 | totte | If I recall correctly. I can control it manually. |
| 20:49.56 | totte | As in, echo off and echo on. |
| 20:50.07 | Bushmills | that directory contains subdirectories, with files, among which one called "trigger"? |
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| 20:53.06 | totte | Negative, I'm in /sys/bus/platform/devices/b3 and I've got uevent, modalias, ledfreq, ledmode, color, buzzer... |
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| 20:53.24 | totte | ...and a directory "power"... :) |
| 20:53.36 | Bushmills | try to cat ledmode, see whether you get a list of methods affecting the LED |
| 20:54.25 | totte | It's either "off" or "lit". cat ledmode gave me "lit%" |
| 20:55.07 | Bushmills | hm .. not quite what i'm familiar with |
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| 21:02.38 | jham | can someone tell me how to make mplayer show solid black instead of current xsetroot/esetroor background in the left over area where no active video exists |
| 21:02.49 | jham | don't find it in man page |
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| 21:04.17 | DammitJim | I am trying to write a bash script in which I ssh into a box and then rdesktop through that ssh tunnel |
| 21:04.46 | DammitJim | so, I have my ssh command ending with an & sign so that it runs in the background |
| 21:04.51 | classico | i have a package that i cannot remove: centericq |
| 21:04.51 | classico | apparently it's a virtual package and it's driving me crazy :) |
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| 21:05.05 | DammitJim | but this is causing the rdesktop command to run instead of prompting me for a password |
| 21:05.11 | DammitJim | what can I do to overcome this problem? |
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| 21:05.21 | DammitJim | should I pause it or something? |
| 21:06.14 | stew | classico: if its a virtual package it means its provided by something else, its not the name of an actual package, "aptitude search '~i~Pcentericq'" would tell you which, if this were actually the case |
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| 21:06.26 | stew | classico: but I don't think this is actually the case. can you show us what is actually happening in a pastebin? |
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| 21:06.38 | stew | DammitJim: can you show us? |
| 21:06.46 | pickcoder | DammitJim: -f ? |
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| 21:07.32 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/Exycyg52 |
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| 21:08.58 | DammitJim | that outputs this when ran: http://pastebin.com/jk378TEC |
| 21:09.16 | DammitJim | so, it takes the password as the rdesktop command instead of waiting for the user to enter the passwords |
| 21:09.19 | DammitJim | password* |
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| 21:10.52 | deStone | hey guys - posted this in linux / rsync as well - anyone got any suggestions for a migration based off this data - http://pastebin.com/z3LyYUn7 - any help would be much appreciated.... |
| 21:10.53 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Automating passworded ssh sessions is pretty much a no-go. Set it up to use keys. |
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| 21:11.17 | DammitJim | jhutchins_lt, thanks for the suggestion, but is there a way it can prompt me to enter the password? |
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| 21:11.45 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: That or use a .ssh/config file |
| 21:11.58 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: I don't know of a way. |
| 21:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: You can get into things like "expect", but I never did. |
| 21:12.23 | DammitJim | ok, cool |
| 21:12.31 | DammitJim | thanks... I might try the config file route |
| 21:12.39 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: Why not use keys? |
| 21:12.45 | DammitJim | but you are right... the keys would be the ultimate |
| 21:13.07 | DammitJim | I followed tutorials on how to set up keys, but out of the 3 times I've tried, only once it worked |
| 21:13.19 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: try ssh-copy-id |
| 21:13.34 | DammitJim | ssh-copy-id? where? |
| 21:14.29 | ax-ax | i have this problem when focusing a new window - it freezes for a second and i get white rectangles for a while until the window comes up |
| 21:14.40 | jhutchins_lt | DammitJim: You just have to hold your toungue right - once you get it it's easy. ssh-copy-id is from openssh-client |
| 21:16.10 | mark76 | Youtube's not working :O |
| 21:16.31 | Radex | your isp play with you ;) |
| 21:16.53 | mark76 | Well it's not Flash. The BBC's fine |
| 21:19.02 | mark76 | I think there must be something wrong with youtube |
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| 21:19.21 | action09 | i need to know how implement the sleep/suspend functions.. any help please ? |
| 21:19.24 | action09 | debian stable. |
| 21:20.01 | jhutchins_lt | mark76: Nothing wrong here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOw6gCPDEQ8&feature=related |
| 21:21.08 | mark76 | Still black for me |
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| 21:22.23 | jhutchins_lt | mark76: WHen did you last update? |
| 21:22.45 | mark76 | Today |
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| 21:23.10 | jhutchins_lt | Are you using the adobe plug-in installed by the script fron nonfree on iceweasel? |
| 21:23.42 | mark76 | I'm using the nonfree plugin with Midori |
| 21:23.57 | mark76 | I uninstalled iceweasel and xulrunner |
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| 21:24.40 | jhutchins_lt | Can't help ya then, it's working great here on squeeze. |
| 21:25.12 | mark76 | I'm on Squeeze :p |
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| 21:27.19 | jm|laptop | hello :) |
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| 21:29.14 | jm|laptop | I have a Dell XPS L501X which has an i7 chip which allegedly uses hybrid graphics. I have seen many lspci outputs for my model on the internet but for some reason mine only shows *1* VGA adaptor - the Intel one |
| 21:29.50 | jm|laptop | I got the laptop as a refurb and the company insist that it's Optimum on-board nvidia |
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| 21:31.02 | jm|laptop | I have tried acpi_call and [de]bumblebee and similar but don't seem to be able to wake the nvidia. I booted Windows and it also doesn't seem to show anything nvidia-wise. The nvidia driver from the Dell web site said that no valid hardware was installed |
| 21:31.15 | jm|laptop | do you think the nvidia chip is broken? |
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| 21:33.19 | jhutchins_lt | jm|laptop: That or it's just not there, in spite of what the company says. |
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| 21:33.46 | jm|laptop | jhutchins_lt: hi. I am led to believe it is soldered on! |
| 21:34.11 | jm|laptop | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU M 640 @ 2.80GHz |
| 21:34.12 | jhutchins_lt | jm|laptop: Is it disabled in the bios? Do you have the latest bios installed? |
| 21:34.32 | jhutchins_lt | jm|laptop: THat is an intel CPU, not an nvidia graphics chipset. |
| 21:34.34 | jm|laptop | I have the latest bios (A07) installed. There is no option in bios regarding graphics at all |
| 21:34.43 | JasonWoof | I just installed notmutch-vim and it puts a bunch of .vim files in /usr/share/vim/addons but vim doesn't search that directory (it's not in runtimepath). vim searches /var/lib/vim/addons |
| 21:35.03 | JasonWoof | is this a problem with vim config or the notmuch-vim package? |
| 21:35.40 | JasonWoof | :echo &rtp to see what paths your vim searches |
| 21:35.54 | jm|laptop | jhutchins_lt: yeah but the intel web site http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=49666 says that this chip has Integrated Graphics |
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| 21:38.12 | JasonWoof | /usr/share/vim/vim73/debian.vim defines runtimepath: set runtimepath=~/.vim,/var/lib/vim/addons,/usr/share/vim/vimfiles,/usr/share/vim/vim73,/usr/share/vim/ | vimfiles/after,/var/lib/vim/addons/after,~/.vim/after |
| 21:38.22 | JasonWoof | oops, no | there |
| 21:38.39 | JasonWoof | /usr/share/vim/vim73/debian.vim defines runtimepath: set runtimepath=~/.vim,/var/lib/vim/addons,/usr/share/vim/vimfiles,/usr/share/vim/vim73,/usr/share/vim/vimfiles/after,/var/lib/vim/addons/after,~/.vim/after |
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| 21:42.19 | kdog | I did a base install and then added xfce4. What package is equivalent to "gdm", with a login screen? |
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| 21:43.06 | karlpinc_ | kdog: You could use gdm, or xdm, or kdm, or slim. slim is smallest but has no remote login capability. |
| 21:43.29 | karlpinc_ | kdog: You probably also need xorg. |
| 21:43.34 | phrantiq | xdm, kdm |
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| 21:45.21 | karlpinc_ | !tell kdog about debtags |
| 21:46.19 | kdog | karlpinc_: thanks. I saw that xfce4 recommends xorg so I installed it. I'll try xdm. |
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| 21:48.12 | mark76 | Weird. youtube videos embedded in other places work fine |
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| 21:49.34 | twobitsprite | hmm... I have to cancle out of reportbug to fix something, and it saved a draft in /tmp... how can I get reportbug to load that and try sending it again? |
| 21:49.39 | twobitsprite | s/have/had |
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| 21:52.54 | jhutchins_lt | jm|laptop: That is not inconsistent with what you're seeing. Why would Intel, who make their own excellent GPU's, embed a secondary graphics chipset from a competitor? |
| 21:53.11 | jm|laptop | jhutchins_lt: they probably wouldn't |
| 21:53.18 | jhutchins_lt | jm|laptop: Show me something that says that this laptop has embedded nvidia. |
| 21:53.20 | jm|laptop | you're saying that's the Intel HD I'm seeing? |
| 21:53.43 | jhutchins_lt | Well yeah, that's what I would expect. |
| 21:55.01 | jhutchins_lt | jm|laptop: Did you get it from Dell? |
| 21:55.14 | jm|laptop | sadly not. From a 'Dell authorised' reseller |
| 21:55.27 | jm|laptop | http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-l502x/pd it's this one |
| 21:55.34 | jm|laptop | "Experience leading-edge NVIDIA® performance graphics that bring your media to life. " |
| 21:56.10 | jhutchins_lt | jm|laptop: According to this review, it has an i5 and nvidia. |
| 21:56.14 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.anandtech.com/show/3999/dell-xps-15-l501x-review |
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| 21:57.25 | jm|laptop | I have i7 in mine as mentioned on the dell site there |
| 21:57.40 | jm|laptop | I reckon it must be broken :/ |
| 21:57.56 | jm|laptop | I have to take it back to them because the screen needs replacing - it had a big scratch they didn't advertise |
| 21:58.54 | jhutchins_lt | I'd use their customer service chat, and I would only talk about windows not seeing the chip, not linux. |
| 21:59.27 | jm|laptop | heh. I started off talking Windows but I have let slip that I've been using Finnix and later Debian proper to diagnose things |
| 21:59.39 | jm|laptop | dmidecode and lspci etc. are useful tools |
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| 22:01.01 | jm|laptop | meh. I hope they can 'fix' it, I really like the screen and the speakers on i |
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| 22:02.08 | initself | aptitude search wkhtmltopdf # no results |
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| 22:02.19 | initself | i'm on lenny - i know that package exists on sid |
| 22:02.48 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions wkhtmltopdf |
| 22:02.49 | judd | Package wkhtmltopdf on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-1; sid: 0.9.9-3; wheezy: 0.9.9-3 |
| 22:02.51 | initself | apt-file search wkhtmltopdf comes up blank too |
| 22:03.12 | initself | jhutchins_lt: does that mean i need to add a source list? |
| 22:03.12 | jhutchins_lt | initself: Looks like it never made it to lenny. |
| 22:03.24 | initself | Can you install squeeze or sid stuff on lenny? |
| 22:03.46 | jhutchins_lt | initself: No, it means you need to backport it. Mixing releases is a good way to kill your system. |
| 22:04.01 | jhutchins_lt | initself: You could just upgrade to squeeze, or /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:04.06 | initself | i've tried installing from source, from a github release.... |
| 22:04.16 | wols | initself: why can't you upgrade to squeeze? lenny is oldstable now and in 9 months, EOL |
| 22:04.32 | initself | I probably can. |
| 22:04.35 | initself | I'm pretty new to Debian. |
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| 22:04.44 | initself | runs /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze. |
| 22:04.49 | wols | I'd do it. squeeze is the current stable release |
| 22:04.57 | jm|laptop | initself: new? Then why did you install lenny in favour of squeeze / stable? |
| 22:05.09 | jhutchins_lt | That's what we'd recommend then. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 22:05.10 | jm|laptop | is just curious |
| 22:05.11 | initself | jm|laptop: I installed is 3 yearsa ago. |
| 22:05.17 | jm|laptop | oh |
| 22:05.19 | initself | But I never really got very good at it. |
| 22:05.22 | jm|laptop | new is all relative :D |
| 22:05.24 | initself | It just worked. |
| 22:05.30 | initself | UNTIL TODAY! |
| 22:05.31 | Smirker | howdy. maybe someone could let me know what i've missed. i've got vsftpd installed and set to chroot to users home directory. i've created a user group 'asterisk' and a user ' |
| 22:05.33 | Smirker | erg |
| 22:05.46 | babilen | initself: You basically just have to follow the release notes and ask in here if something is unclear. |
| 22:06.01 | initself | ok. |
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| 22:06.28 | initself | I can't really afford to screw this box up. |
| 22:06.30 | Smirker | howdy. maybe someone could let me know what i've missed. i've got vsftpd installed and set to chroot to users home directory. i've created a user group 'asterisk' and a user 'vpbx' (added to group asterisk). i've mount --bind /home/vpbx/config to /etc/asterisk, and i've chgrp /etc/asterisk/* to the asterisk group. however when i try to access the config folder via FTP i get 550 Failed to change |
| 22:06.30 | Smirker | directory. |
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| 22:07.31 | babilen | initself: Sounds like you might want to create a backup. But the upgrade should be pretty painless if you follow the step-by-step guide in the release notes. What kind of services are running on your box? |
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| 22:08.43 | delima | I there ;) , i have just instaled debian 6.0.2.1 on a old notebook, it have ended the instalation ok, but after reboot ... no video |
| 22:09.02 | initself | babilen: postgresql and apache |
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| 22:09.10 | delima | can any on tell me where the debian 6 guys out the xorg.conf file |
| 22:09.13 | initself | i dont trust myself lately to do these thigns. |
| 22:09.17 | wols | delima: did you install xorg? |
| 22:09.33 | wols | delima: thre is no xorg.conf anymore for several years now. xorg removed it |
| 22:09.38 | delima | i made the normal instalation |
| 22:09.39 | jm|laptop | initself: those two services should be pretty easy to back up at the file level |
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| 22:09.55 | wols | delima: there is no "normal" installation of debian |
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| 22:09.59 | BernardV | babilen: Would an upgrade work out of the box for a KVM install? (Didn't have the nerve to try.. I have a serial console, but still...) |
| 22:10.00 | action09 | back |
| 22:10.08 | jm|laptop | if it's just that you're running you could do a fresh squeeze install but lenny -> squeeze is pretty straightforward, really |
| 22:10.23 | action09 | i'm definitevely not be able to run pm-utlis on squeeze.. any twek to do ? |
| 22:10.24 | action09 | please |
| 22:10.43 | delima | the "normal" instalation (for a notebook) is the base file, plus, the notebook files + gui |
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| 22:11.00 | wols | delima: once more: did you install xorg? |
| 22:11.11 | delima | them after reboot ... normally you should have a GUI |
| 22:11.30 | delima | and not a bunch of "problems" to solve |
| 22:11.55 | babilen | initself: Well, that is not good. The postgresql upgrade *might* be just a little bit tricky, but pg_upgradecluster should take care of that. |
| 22:12.01 | wols | delima: you obviously don't want to answer the questions so we can help you with your problem. have a nice day solving it on your own. good luck! |
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| 22:12.10 | delima | explicetly, no i have not installed xorg |
| 22:12.18 | initself | um, what am i seeing here? |
| 22:12.19 | initself | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 22:12.36 | wols | initself: nothing you need for upgrading frm lenny |
| 22:12.37 | initself | 52 CDs? |
| 22:12.50 | initself | I'm just thinking of install an ISO on another machine. |
| 22:12.52 | babilen | BernardV: Depends, some VPS hosters use their own ancient kernels that don't work with the udev version in squeeze. What does "uname -r" give you? |
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| 22:12.53 | wols | initself: all of debian is BIG. very big. no need to get them all |
| 22:13.03 | initself | Oh! |
| 22:13.08 | wols | initself: then grab either CD1 or the netinst (180MB) and you are done |
| 22:13.18 | initself | ya, netinst, sorry, should i have know that. |
| 22:13.35 | babilen | initself: You know now -- That is what counts. :) |
| 22:13.37 | wols | initself: all the software you can install via apt is also available on those 52 CDs |
| 22:13.51 | BernardV | babilen: It's my own server, I have lenny as a host and a few VM's running. 2 VM's run squeeze.. but upgrading the host... |
| 22:13.59 | jm|laptop | initself: I tend to use businesscard and an internet connection :) |
| 22:14.13 | epsilon | +local debian mirror |
| 22:14.20 | jm|laptop | approx ftw |
| 22:14.35 | BernardV | babilen: It's more like a hobby server, but it's 200km away and I don't like to drive to there to fix things ;) |
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| 22:14.58 | babilen | BernardV: I haven't done that, so I can't comment on the actual upgrade procedure. I am OTOH not aware of many users who stormed this channels with pitchforks and torches in their hands, which is a good sign ;) |
| 22:15.02 | jm|laptop | does a hobby server have a long broomhandle coming out of the bottom of it? |
| 22:15.24 | BernardV | babilen: haha! |
| 22:15.55 | babilen | BernardV: I can totally understand that. It will probably be pretty painless, but you might want to do it when you have local access. (if ever) |
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| 22:16.27 | jm|laptop | . o O ( device name changes in grub ) |
| 22:16.35 | jm|laptop | oh and grub to grub2! |
| 22:16.38 | BernardV | babilen: I will try to upgrade in a few weeks, then I'll have to be there.. If I have any problems or things people have to take care about, I will post it |
| 22:19.08 | BernardV | babilen: Thanks for the info though |
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| 22:19.31 | Baltazaar | I started using Debian when it was called Potato. Since I used Ubuntu for some years, now it's back to the no non-sense Debian again, after Ubuntu has turned into a capitalist frenzy |
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| 22:20.39 | Baltazaar | just wanted to say something :-) |
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| 22:21.29 | jm|laptop | Baltazaar: I have some "But Debian exists?!" stickers to put on peoples Ubuntu computers |
| 22:21.55 | Miesco_ | I downloaded a game and it says: UpLauncher: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: |
| 22:22.06 | Baltazaar | jm|laptop: nice |
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| 22:22.22 | Miesco_ | But when I have: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
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| 22:22.43 | BernardV | Baltazaar: True words ;) I've used linux since '98 (yeah, not old enough to go further back) and switched to Debian "Woody" never gone back. Tried Ubuntu, still have a home PC running with it, but all new installs are Debian. |
| 22:23.02 | thewanderer1 | Miesco_ use ldd to find out what exactly where it's looking for the library... ldd binaryname |
| 22:23.11 | Miesco_ | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 22:23.43 | Miesco_ | thewanderer1: Just says: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => not found |
| 22:24.16 | jm|laptop | started with Redhat 6.0 :/ |
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| 22:24.30 | DarkM | Hi guys |
| 22:24.31 | DarkM | I'm having troubles with shrinking/growing my raid partitions. I got md2 & md1, I managed to shrink md2, but when I try to grow md1 it says no free space left on disk, any ideas ? |
| 22:24.42 | BernardV | with Redhat 5.1 and not long after that Suse |
| 22:24.45 | Miesco_ | thewanderer1: Should I put /usr/lib in my path? |
| 22:24.52 | thewanderer1 | Miesco_, no |
| 22:24.54 | jm|laptop | might have been 5.2, actually |
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| 22:25.09 | thewanderer1 | Miesco_, what does "file binaryname" say, and what's the result of calling "uname -m"? |
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| 22:25.16 | Baltazaar | I liked Ubuntu when it first started out. Now it's become a "hand-holding", distro, that tries to do everything for you. Anyway, I won't throw shit at it, but they should have stayed, well, more Debian like. |
| 22:25.19 | BernardV | jm|laptop: Just wanted to say, could have been 5.0 |
| 22:25.27 | jm|laptop | hehe |
| 22:25.31 | ejsejs_ | Baltazaar: what's wrong with handholding? |
| 22:25.36 | Miesco_ | /usr/local/bin/UpLauncher: symbolic link to `/usr/local/games/ankama/Wakfu/UpLauncher' |
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| 22:25.49 | Miesco_ | x86_64 |
| 22:25.51 | jm|laptop | it's called Centos now, right? |
| 22:26.04 | Miesco_ | I thought it might have to do with me using 64-bit addressing |
| 22:26.05 | thewanderer1 | Miesco_: ok, call `file` on that UpLauncher |
| 22:26.05 | Baltazaar | ejsejs_: Some times I don't want to go where the hand is leading |
| 22:26.12 | Miesco_ | thewanderer1: k |
| 22:26.23 | DarkM | Someone has an idea for my partitionning question ? I'm really desperate and i've been googling for 2 hours XD. |
| 22:26.36 | Miesco_ | /usr/local/games/ankama/Wakfu/UpLauncher: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped |
| 22:26.47 | jm|laptop | 32bit, eh |
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| 22:27.07 | BernardV | jm|laptop: Indeed Centos |
| 22:27.26 | delima | wols: many thanks for your NO-help, not all the people how try to get help on a irc channel is automaticly a newbby or a donkey. And about your arrogance, sendding me to "solve the problem by my own" it explains why we that love the GNU Linux will always be one minory. |
| 22:27.32 | jm|laptop | BernardV: fond memories of rpm -i --force --nodeps |
| 22:27.33 | thewanderer1 | Miesco_, ok, so your problem is that the game you've downloaded is for x86 architecture, and such programs can't load 64-bit libraries... you have to download a 64-bit version of the game or run it in a chroot / on a 32-bit system |
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| 22:28.43 | ShKoDrAnI | anyone who has time to give me a hand with sound problems? |
| 22:28.48 | BernardV | jm|laptop: :) I just searched and Centos is not quite Red Hat, it's based on "Red Hat Enterprise Linux".. But yeah rpm's.. I still use them sometimes... Alien :P |
| 22:29.40 | delima | My problem stil resides, after a normal CD1 install, on a notebook with a intel i830M graphics, after 1st boot no video on the GUI ... what to do? any on not so arrogant who can help me? thanks in advance |
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| 22:29.53 | Baltazaar | Centos is exactly RHEL. Only the proprietary stuff is missing. |
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| 22:30.00 | jm|laptop | BernardV: heh. I moved from there to FreeBSD because I liked the separation of kernel/base/userland and ports. But Debian's apt was rather appealing after dependency hell of former-Redhat |
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| 22:30.44 | BernardV | jm|laptop: Haha! RH -> FreeBSD (for a short while) -> Suse -> Debian ... |
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| 22:31.14 | Smirker | howdy. i've run mount --bind /etc/asterisk /home/vpbx/config --- /etc/asterisk and all subfiles are of the group asterisk. now, logging in a user vpbx (who is also in group asterisk), if i try to cd /home/vpbx/config i get Permission denied. what am i missing? |
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| 22:31.50 | jm|laptop | Smirker: checked chown too? |
| 22:31.54 | Smirker | smirks |
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| 22:32.21 | jm|laptop | and indeed file mode |
| 22:32.39 | Miesco_ | thanks |
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| 22:35.33 | wols | !tell delima about pm |
| 22:36.11 | Miesco_ | thewanderer1: So sudo chroot . ./UpLauncher? |
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| 22:36.47 | jm|laptop | Miesco_: you need to create a 32bit chroot first. You did that? |
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| 22:37.46 | Smirker | erg. d/c'd. did anyone answer my retarded question? |
| 22:37.48 | Miesco_ | jm|laptop: no |
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| 22:38.06 | jm|laptop | Miesco_: look up debootstrap and 32bit in 64bit system |
| 22:38.10 | wols | Smirker: as jm|laptop already said: check your permissions |
| 22:38.41 | wols | Smirker: e.g what permissions does the group have, not just owner. is it at least r and x? |
| 22:38.55 | wols | directories need "x" permissions |
| 22:39.22 | Smirker | oh. well that might explain it. |
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| 22:40.38 | Smirker | wols: thanks, didn't realise it needed r AND x. lesson learnt. |
| 22:40.59 | jm|laptop | hmph |
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| 22:41.02 | Miesco_ | thewanderer1: Can't I install ia32 libs or something? |
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| 22:41.23 | Smirker | thanks jm too :p |
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| 22:41.33 | Miesco_ | there's a ia-32libs-gtk |
| 22:41.35 | jm|laptop | hehe |
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| 22:42.29 | Miesco_ | ha it works! |
| 22:42.32 | Miesco_ | it worked! |
| 22:42.54 | jm|laptop | :) |
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| 22:47.03 | BernardV | is happy.. Just forwarded a ipv6 /64 to my home and dd-wrt is distributing nicely :) |
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| 22:49.51 | Spida | are there known problems for linux-image-2.6.32-5? since the update, my systems (amd64 and 686) feel slow on large i/o's on crypted disks (on single and multicore) |
| 22:50.38 | latepre | does anyone know of a linux console tool that can modify a torrent file with the intention of excluding some metadata, like files that i don't want to download? |
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| 22:52.32 | edene121 | I just installed Qingy login display manager but when i boot up it does not load. I have to login via the terminal. |
| 22:53.00 | edene121 | How do I set it up to autologin my username |
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| 23:12.26 | aajjbb | boa noite |
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| 23:14.39 | KerrMD | hey all, I'm trying to build vlc and need an updated libebml. I've downloaded the tarball of libebml-1.2.1 but do not know how to make/install it. |
| 23:15.45 | thewanderer1 | !tell KerrMD about uupdate |
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| 23:16.09 | MrFrood | untar and read the INSTALL & README files |
| 23:16.16 | thewanderer1 | crap, we've lost the bot again :/ |
| 23:16.25 | MrFrood | :-/ |
| 23:16.35 | KerrMD | there were no readme files |
| 23:16.40 | KerrMD | and I'm, googling uupdate |
| 23:16.40 | themill | dselect: pal MrFrood |
| 23:16.40 | dselect | points at MrFrood and laughs |
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| 23:16.51 | MrFrood | %tell KerrMD about uupdate |
| 23:17.09 | MrFrood | thank you dselect |
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| 23:20.14 | dselect | No worries, MrFrood. But gopher sucks.... |
| 23:20.47 | KerrMD | That means nothing to me. I don't understand what foo, upstream or any of that is. |
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| 23:22.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions libebml |
| 23:22.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libebml' was found in i386. |
| 23:23.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm |
| 23:23.04 | MrFrood | KerrMD: then you are probablly not ready to be doing what you are trying to do :-/ |
| 23:24.19 | KerrMD | Thanks for no help whatsoever. Every time I come in here for help I get your elitist crap. RTFM and whatnot. A simple url to a "how to" would be nice. All I wanted to do was update libebml. I DO know how to google and have... ttfn |
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| 23:24.40 | themill | KerrMD: can you tell us what "libembl" is? |
| 23:24.42 | themill | bah |
| 23:24.51 | stew | themill: its a source package |
| 23:25.05 | themill | "lib" in a source package name? yay :( |
| 23:25.08 | MrFrood | I did not mean to upset him :-( |
| 23:25.31 | stew | if telling someone to rtfm is elitist... |
| 23:25.47 | MrFrood | apparantly |
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| 23:26.02 | stew | and "i don't want to read a manual, i want to read a howto" is an odd distinction |
| 23:26.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonders why he keeps coming back if it causes hiim so much grief |
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| 23:29.21 | boudiccas | i dont understand why kerrmd wanted to rebuild vlc when its in the repos anyway |
| 23:29.30 | MrFrood | Kamping_Kaiser: same reason we all do - to feel the love ;) |
| 23:29.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | MrFrood: hehe |
| 23:29.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | boudiccas: i think he wanted a newer version |
| 23:30.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | i suspect !dmm would have had it *shrug* |
| 23:30.38 | themill | probably not, actually. |
| 23:31.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, ok |
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| 23:33.13 | streuner | http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
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| 23:34.34 | streuner | pretty easy to get the latest version, isnt it? |
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| 23:35.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | Debian stable (lenny) |
| 23:35.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | well..... |
| 23:35.26 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: maybe they want to tamper with the build options. |
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| 23:38.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | i never realised how many symlinks there were between me (cc) and my compiler (gcc-4.4). (3 of them) |
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| 23:38.57 | aarkerio | hi! somebdy knows what about VSFTPD security hole in Squeeze? |
| 23:39.42 | stew | aarkerio: do you have a CVE id? |
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| 23:40.06 | stew | aarkerio: afaik, this is the only known issue: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-0762 |
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| 23:41.02 | thewanderer1 | aarkerio: the fact that it was backdoored does not mean that the version with the backdoor ended up in Debian. most probably, the package maintainers do check GPG signatures on the official site... |
| 23:41.20 | thewanderer1 | (if you mean that one, that is) |
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| 23:42.27 | aarkerio | mm, thanks pals!! |
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| 23:44.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | VSFTPD got backdoored? ouch |
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| 23:46.26 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but the digital signature from the homepage didn't match |
| 23:46.29 | streuner | Kamping_Kaiser: http://nightlies.videolan.org/#debian |
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| 23:52.12 | abrotman | when its owner kicks it |
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