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| 00:07.03 | xreal | Can I use ZFS on Debian Squeeze? |
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| 00:08.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | xreal: in fuse |
| 00:08.25 | thewanderer1 | xreal: apt-cache search zfs # yes you can |
| 00:08.31 | xreal | Thanks. |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | xreal: yes, it's available in the installer i believe |
| 00:08.48 | abrotman | dselect: zfs squeeze |
| 00:08.49 | dselect | abrotman: i don't know |
| 00:08.51 | abrotman | dselect: zfs |
| 00:08.51 | dselect | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in squeeze. A <FUSE> implementation for Debian GNU/Linux systems is in zfs-fuse. For ZFS on Squeeze, see http://deb.li/i4JhI . http://zfs-fuse.net/ #zfs-fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:09.18 | thewanderer1 | uh, I don't think so, abrotman... btrfs is, not ZFS |
| 00:09.34 | abrotman | thewanderer1: read the entire factoid |
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| 00:09.52 | balrog | hi all |
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| 00:09.59 | abrotman | and read the update: http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/about-zfs-in-squeeze-2/ |
| 00:10.01 | balrog | why is mercurial broken for me? I get this error: |
| 00:10.08 | balrog | http://pastie.org/2175014 |
| 00:10.21 | balrog | tried the usual, can't fix it |
| 00:10.24 | balrog | disabled my .hgrc too |
| 00:10.38 | thewanderer1 | oh, kFreeBSD. you got me :) |
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| 00:10.42 | xreal | Is there better support for ZFS than for btrfs? |
| 00:11.15 | balrog | ZFS has a different feature-set |
| 00:11.20 | xreal | I've read, df & co. don't work correctly in btrfs. |
| 00:11.21 | balrog | you could say it's more stable at the current time. |
| 00:11.22 | stew | xreal: btrfs is currently only for testing, its not for real data. it doesn't even have a working fsck yet |
| 00:11.33 | balrog | stew: does btrfs *need* an fsck? |
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| 00:11.46 | stew | balrog: yes |
| 00:11.49 | balrog | zfs doesn't, afaik |
| 00:11.56 | xreal | balrog: Are there equal problems like non working "df" on ZFS ? |
| 00:12.04 | thewanderer1 | xreal: df works in ZFS, if you're aware of some stuff like deduplication, volumes etc. |
| 00:12.11 | balrog | xreal: afaik no, but zfs as a kernel module for linux is recent |
| 00:12.23 | balrog | I know zfs is popular on Solaris and *BSD |
| 00:12.55 | xreal | I want to play around with my new SSD (vertex 3) and want to try out zfs and btrfs :) |
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| 00:13.51 | xreal | Oh, the new AMD processors are on the market |
| 00:14.19 | thewanderer1 | xreal: you'll be disappointed with ZFS on zfs-fuse, sadly - it's very slow... try kFreeBSD or the native kernel modules if you want speed |
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| 00:14.35 | balrog | don't use ZFS-fuse. use kernel modules |
| 00:15.00 | xreal | ok |
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| 00:19.05 | balrog | looks like mercurial has issues when compiled with gcc-4.6. |
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| 00:20.02 | thewanderer1 | heh, what doesn't? :P |
| 00:20.35 | balrog | on ARM at least |
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| 00:32.10 | thewanderer1 | problem test: no problem (sorry, have to test the bot) |
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| 00:57.54 | jasonsmr | hello channel |
| 00:58.15 | jasonsmr | I have a problem when in a xen machine my xorg will not start |
| 00:58.18 | jasonsmr | my kdm.log file if anyone can hel I appreaceate it greatly >> http://sprunge.us/XZgZ |
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| 00:59.16 | abrotman | kdm? |
| 00:59.30 | abrotman | your dbus isn't running |
| 00:59.56 | jasonsmr | 3AH HA |
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| 01:00.16 | jasonsmr | yes its a udev isue? than? but im in the dom0 now |
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| 01:00.35 | abrotman | can you start dbus or not? |
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| 01:01.40 | jasonsmr | whats the way to start that |
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| 01:02.49 | jm|laptop | /etc/init.d/udev start ? |
| 01:02.49 | jasonsmr | /etc/init.d/dbus reatart |
| 01:02.53 | jasonsmr | oh |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | what would you restart udev to start dbus? |
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| 01:03.37 | jasonsmr | what is ment to do all the handeling ? |
| 01:03.57 | jasonsmr | I think us udev and evdev call udev im not sure Ill check |
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| 01:07.08 | jasonsmr | I guess the file in the xorg config.d that is last called before the error is /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10.evdev.conf |
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| 01:07.37 | jasonsmr | and that file loads a catchall senerio for xorg, using udev-based systems > so udev I guess |
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| 01:08.00 | jasonsmr | however that command /etc/init.d/udev start got errors |
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| 01:09.48 | jasonsmr | okey well i got warnings but it started |
| 01:10.04 | jasonsmr | I now have three udev --config instances running |
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| 01:10.09 | jasonsmr | and one dbus |
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| 01:10.51 | jasonsmr | can I just start a xorg instance using xinit -- :0 or what? |
| 01:11.13 | jasonsmr | does that work in debian , im new to debian ,Im comming from Suse |
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| 01:16.25 | gNewPower | Hi fellow Debianers! Can you recommend a text with a thorough explanation of APT and Aptitude, including the use of advanced options such as pinning or apt-listbugs. A step by step with examples would be best. Any suggestions (besides the manpages)? Thanks! |
| 01:16.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | apt-listbugs is a separate program |
| 01:17.02 | gNewPower | yes, but it is used with apt-get |
| 01:17.03 | gnarface | the man pages are really thorough... |
| 01:17.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | as are the examples and other docs in /usr/share/doc/<foo>/ |
| 01:17.23 | gNewPower | gnarface, yes, but not very pleasant to read |
| 01:18.15 | stew | gNewPower: pehaps the apt-howto and the debian reference |
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| 01:18.50 | gNewPower | debian reference? |
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| 01:20.20 | stew | gNewPower: if you were on google and looking for the "debian reference" you would be feeling lucky :) |
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| 01:21.08 | lechienkitu | what's better, KDE or GNOME ? |
| 01:21.47 | gNewPower | stew, ok. thanks |
| 01:22.56 | tharkun | Gentlemen i recall someone once asking for some tool in debian to get some info out of a ms access db. How can i search for those tools using apt-get and if someone knows the right keyword it would be extremely appreciated . |
| 01:22.56 | stew | lechienkitu: try them both and see which you are more comfortable with |
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| 01:24.48 | lechienkitu | stew: okay ^^ because fluxbox.. don't like and I tested wmii, awesome, and more.. But I run with a 3G usb and my deskopt manager must open a window for enter the PIN.. GNOME opens it, but no awesome, wmii, fluxbox.. I'm blocked =/ |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | tharkun: there are a few IIRC .. and i believe Access does ODBC also |
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| 01:27.03 | jm|laptop | mdbtools-gmdb - JET / MS Access database (MDB) file viewer |
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| 01:28.23 | lechienkitu | stew: did you understand me ? |
| 01:29.10 | abrotman | lechienkitu: try them both and see which you are more comfortable with |
| 01:29.32 | tharkun | abrotman: yes acces does ODBC but i need to extract the info from this db and export it to mysql at least. But unless jm|laptop recomendation does not work I haven't found a solution yet. Worst of it i can't think of a google term. |
| 01:30.03 | abrotman | tharkun: "microsoft Access database linux" |
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| 01:31.20 | tharkun | toast a fine beer to abrotman's health |
| 01:31.39 | lechienkitu | abrotman: your reponse is similar of stew's reponse :p |
| 01:31.46 | abrotman | lechienkitu: it's identical .. |
| 01:32.50 | tharkun | lechienkitu: just for the sake of making your choice harder, there are more options than the ones you posted ;P |
| 01:32.52 | lechienkitu | abrotman: I know. But I taked it with humour. |
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| 01:34.43 | abrotman | lechienkitu: it's a serious answer .. have fun testing! |
| 01:35.20 | lechienkitu | abrotman: okay. But I speak for my CPU.. |
| 01:35.37 | tharkun | lechienkitu: lxde, xfce .... |
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| 01:36.58 | xdexter | hello, what do I see the description in snmpwal numbers instead of the mib? |
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| 01:37.38 | blacklight | hi all, i have a quite urgent issue |
| 01:37.53 | blacklight | running debian testing here, i just performed an upgrade |
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| 01:38.26 | blacklight | this definitely broke my system, apparently because of perl5.10 -> perl5.12 migration |
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| 01:38.42 | tharkun | !tell blacklight enter |
| 01:39.05 | tharkun | %tell blacklight enter |
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| 01:39.25 | blacklight | tharkun: ? |
| 01:39.28 | tharkun | %tell about blacklight enter |
| 01:39.31 | stew | lechienkitu: yes, i understood. |
| 01:39.32 | lechienkitu | ?? |
| 01:39.42 | tharkun | %tell blacklight about enter |
| 01:39.42 | stew | blacklight: what is the issue exactly? |
| 01:39.44 | lechienkitu | stew: oh, that understood :p |
| 01:39.44 | blacklight | anyway, the apt phase broke here |
| 01:39.46 | blacklight | Byte order is not compatible at ../../lib/Storable.pm (autosplit into ../../lib/auto/Storable/thaw.al) line 415, at /usr/share/perl5/MLDBM/Serializer/Storable.pm line 27 |
| 01:39.59 | blacklight | on doc-base |
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| 01:40.24 | blacklight | i temporarely solved the issue by performing apt-get install doc-base and then apt-get -f install |
| 01:40.49 | boudiccas | blacklight; thats what happens when you run testing, you're liable to get broken software and /or system |
| 01:40.52 | tharkun | blacklight: as a rule of thumb after a release of debian things get pretty rough on testing |
| 01:40.59 | lechienkitu | it's unterstood* |
| 01:41.14 | lechienkitu | I'm learning, I'm learning... |
| 01:41.26 | xdexter | hello, what do I see the description in snmpwal numbers instead of the mib? |
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| 01:41.40 | lechienkitu | erf |
| 01:41.42 | boudiccas | xdexter; in what? |
| 01:41.43 | blacklight | well, i've been running testing for more or less 3 years now (this installation itself), and never i heard "well, it's a risk, now it's just broken" |
| 01:41.52 | stew | blacklight: what is the current issue?: |
| 01:42.00 | blacklight | my source.list is clean anyway, only using testing |
| 01:42.12 | abrotman | only ... |
| 01:42.29 | blacklight | stew: irssi goes segfault, gnome-terminal not working because of termcap issues, and something else is around |
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| 01:42.32 | abrotman | blacklight: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade ? |
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| 01:42.49 | stew | blacklight: what version of irssi is installed? |
| 01:42.54 | xdexter | boudiccas, when I use snmpwalk, looks like this: .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.4.19. how do I see the name of the mib? |
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| 01:43.05 | blacklight | stew: irssi 0.8.15 |
| 01:43.18 | stew | blacklight: what version of the debian package is installed? |
| 01:43.19 | boudiccas | xdexter; what the hell is a 'mib'? |
| 01:43.35 | blacklight | irssi 0.8.15 (20100403 1617) |
| 01:43.51 | xdexter | boudiccas, where data are recorded snmp |
| 01:43.54 | stew | blacklight: how did you install irssi? did you use a debian package? |
| 01:44.03 | boudiccas | xdexter; oh, havent a clue |
| 01:44.16 | blacklight | sure i did, it was automatically upgraded a few seconds ago by my apt-get upgrade |
| 01:45.13 | stew | blacklight: hint: "apt-cache policy irssi" would tell you what version is installed |
| 01:45.14 | blacklight | but irssi is not the only problem, at startup time with gnome-terminal i also get this: |
| 01:45.16 | blacklight | *** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap' |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | blacklight: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade ? |
| 01:45.48 | blacklight | stew: Installed: 0.8.15-4 |
| 01:45.52 | blacklight | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:46.14 | blacklight | abrotman: when i upgraded from squeeze stable to testing, exactly on the day squeeze became stable |
| 01:46.27 | abrotman | five months ago?! |
| 01:46.34 | blacklight | since then performing a daily upgrade was enough |
| 01:47.31 | blacklight | (until now, i performed an upgrade now after 5 days) |
| 01:47.37 | stew | blacklight: does "aptitude search '~U" return packages which are upgradable? |
| 01:47.56 | stew | blacklight: note that just running "apt-get upgrade" won't keep all your packages up to date on testing (since packages are added and removed) |
| 01:48.49 | blacklight | stew: i get tons of upgradable packages, it's because i set most of them in hold by --set-selections because of compatibility issues |
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| 01:49.02 | stew | blacklight: what compatibility issues |
| 01:49.10 | nardev__ | hello, can someone suggest me simple proxy for web. Someone blocked me youtube and i have dislocated server available :) |
| 01:49.29 | blacklight | in particular xserver-xorg-* stuff because of issues with my proprietary ati drivers, and screen because i modified the sources before re-generating the .deb |
| 01:50.14 | stew | blacklight: what version of perl is currently installed? |
| 01:50.28 | blacklight | stew: of what? xserver? |
| 01:50.35 | stew | perl |
| 01:50.49 | blacklight | 5.12.3 |
| 01:51.06 | stew | blacklight: what version of the perl debian package is currently installed? |
| 01:51.25 | blacklight | exactly the same, Installed: 5.12.3-7+b1 |
| 01:51.27 | blacklight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.50 | stew | 5.12.3 isn't exactly the same as 5.12.3-7+b1 |
| 01:52.04 | stew | blacklight: can we se a list of which packages are upgradable? |
| 01:52.36 | blacklight | sure, http://sprunge.us/KEXF |
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| 01:53.01 | stew | blacklight: uh, you have compatibility problems with all these packages?!? |
| 01:53.05 | Lenin_Cat | Does debian collect terminal logs of bootups |
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| 01:53.31 | blacklight | stew: i just set in hold xserver-xorg and screen, it's weird that automatically all of those were set as hold as well |
| 01:53.50 | stew | blacklight: how do you typically upgrade your system? |
| 01:54.00 | blacklight | stew: apt-get upgrade, daily |
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| 01:54.30 | stew | blacklight: yeah, that would explain it, packages are added and removed from testing all the time, so upgrade won't be enough, you'd need dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade from aptitude) |
| 01:54.54 | blacklight | hmmm would you suggest me to perform a dist-upgrade now? |
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| 01:55.17 | tharkun | blacklight: if ain't working why not ;P |
| 01:55.19 | stew | blacklight: yes |
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| 01:57.32 | abrotman | blacklight: he asked for `aptitude search '~U'` .. not a list of all packages .. are those really all held back ? |
| 01:57.48 | abrotman | nevermind .. i guess that is the ~U .. wow |
| 01:58.21 | blacklight | abrotman: yep, it looks weird to me too because i simply required to hold xserver-* packages |
| 01:59.09 | tharkun | abrotman: dpkg is AWOLL here, i just saw it on #debian-next |
| 01:59.30 | tharkun | abrotman: ok make that 7 hrs ago |
| 01:59.35 | abrotman | tharkun: yeah, okay .. and? |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | dselect: hi |
| 01:59.38 | dselect | hola |
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| 01:59.43 | stew | blacklight: if you don't understand the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade, you should read the difference in the manpage |
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| 01:59.59 | tharkun | abrotman: ok, hard to switch old habits |
| 02:00.07 | blacklight | stew: i know the differences, but i didn't think it was actually required even when i stay on testing |
| 02:00.56 | stew | blacklight: obviously we get new packages in testing all the time, and of course packages are removed from testing all the time |
| 02:01.17 | blacklight | anyway, dist-upgrade of course breaks some dependancies with xserver-xorg-core, which is held back, so i flagged it as install and trying to perform an upgrade now (it looks like it's a miracle that my system was working so far with all of that stuff held back) |
| 02:01.36 | centHOGG | clean install |
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| 02:02.53 | blacklight | centHOGG: i'd like to avoid a clean install, i've had this system here for 3 years without ever reinstalling and i'd like to go on with this habit :) |
| 02:03.04 | centHOGG | yeah i hear ya |
| 02:03.25 | blacklight | and also i don't have a good connection for performing another testing download & install now |
| 02:03.35 | blacklight | so any other solution that keeps my system alive is welcome |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | what's your video card? |
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| 02:06.52 | blacklight | abrotman: ati radeon 3xxx series |
| 02:06.58 | blacklight | can't remember now the model |
| 02:07.02 | abrotman | not supported by the radeon/radeonhd ? |
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| 02:15.05 | Lenin_Cat | For some reason when I try to boot into debian it fails to mount /dev /srv/ and /var |
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| 02:18.42 | DammitJim | weird.... I lost my /etc/localtime after doing an apt-get upgrade |
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| 02:22.34 | EmleyMoor | DammitJim: Had that happen to me once |
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| 02:26.19 | DammitJim | I just ran dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 02:26.25 | DammitJim | but I don't know if it's going to hold |
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| 02:31.17 | karlpinc_ | Lenin_Cat: You might look at the squeeze release notes. It has something about timeing issues detecting disks on boot. (Which may or may not be your problem.) |
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| 02:36.28 | Blue1 | !md5sums |
| 02:38.11 | Blue1 | man why can't I find the md5sums for debian anywhere? |
| 02:38.40 | stew | Blue1: md5sums of what exactly? |
| 02:39.06 | DammitJim | what debian? |
| 02:39.18 | Blue1 | squeeze |
| 02:39.28 | stew | md5sum of what file? |
| 02:39.38 | Blue1 | any iso file |
| 02:40.02 | stew | Blue1: bfcd655ec782429245da495688e2b705 is one |
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| 02:40.19 | debiantonio | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 02:40.21 | Blue1 | stew: okay where did you pull that information from? |
| 02:40.29 | stew | Blue1: i ran it on an iso file |
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| 02:40.48 | vanguard | I wrote a little software (1.5k lines) that I would like to see in the debian repo. I already made a deb package. What do I have to do to get it into the repo? |
| 02:41.17 | Blue1 | stew - thanks - I am in the midst of writing an article on how to go from ubuntu to debian - and it;s like - where the hell are they hiding this? |
| 02:41.46 | stew | Blue1: see debiantonio's link for instance |
| 02:42.07 | Blue1 | stew: yes thanks -- |
| 02:43.02 | stew | vanguard: file an itp (/msg dselect itp) then try to find a sponsor for your package, one common way of doing this is writing to the debian-mentors mailing list. you might look at other messages on that list with RFS: (request for sponsorship) in their title |
| 02:43.36 | stew | vanguard: what does the software do? where can I download it? |
| 02:43.42 | tharkun | Gentlemen i get fromapt |
| 02:44.48 | vanguard | stew: It is basically a note taking program that allows you to scribble with a wacom tablet/touchscreen |
| 02:44.52 | tharkun | Gentlemen i get from apt-file search chef the following chef: /etc/default/chef-client ... yet when i do apt-cache show chef i get N: Unable to locate package chef E: No packages found ?? |
| 02:45.11 | vanguard | GIMP does not allow for easy graphical notetaking since you cannot switch the pages easily. My program addresses that |
| 02:45.29 | vanguard | stew: I have to upload it yet, I haven't published it yet anywhere |
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| 02:46.05 | stew | vanguard: you should publish it before worrying about getting it into debian |
| 02:46.25 | stew | tharkun: pts says it is only in sid currently, do you have sid in your sources.list? |
| 02:46.26 | blacklight | back, my connection was dead |
| 02:46.36 | vanguar | stew: okay, that is a start. |
| 02:47.21 | tharkun | stew: not on this machine |
| 02:47.32 | stew | tharkun: have you run apt-file update recently? |
| 02:47.47 | stew | tharkun: looks like it was removed from testing in january |
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| 02:48.52 | tharkun | This morning. Although thinking about the sid line in sources.list it might have been added to this machine before i started using chroots too do some fancy packaging |
| 02:50.24 | tharkun | stew: i am using squeeze at least until christmas ;P I like to get the job done. No need for extra adrenaline rushes |
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| 02:51.41 | spersaud | how do I upgrade python to 64 bit ? |
| 02:52.01 | spersaud | I have an amd processor with 8 gigs of memory I only upgraded the kernel |
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| 02:52.23 | tharkun | spersaud: are you running a 64 bit kernel? |
| 02:52.50 | spersaud | tharkun: yes |
| 02:53.11 | abrotman | spersaud: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 02:53.24 | tharkun | no longer understand the question |
| 02:54.59 | spersaud | tharkun: shows i386 |
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| 02:55.11 | spersaud | I installed linux-image-i686-big-mem |
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| 02:55.16 | spersaud | should I install amd64 ? |
| 02:56.51 | abrotman | spersaud: you'd have to reinstall your Debian system |
| 02:57.21 | stew | spersaud: you could perhaps run a 64 bit chroot if you were running a 64 bit kernel. there is currently no easy way to install 64 bit packages in a 32 bit install |
| 02:58.53 | spersaud | stew: should I install amd64 ? |
| 03:00.32 | stew | spersaud: i'd certainly recommend running an amd64 kernel with that much memory. why do you want a 64 bit python? |
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| 03:01.46 | spersaud | stew: its giving memory errors .. python cannot allocate memory for the program |
| 03:01.51 | spersaud | MemoryError |
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| 03:02.42 | spersaud | I actually have use for this much memory :) |
| 03:02.46 | stew | spersaud: how much memory is python using when this happens? what software is this? |
| 03:03.19 | spersaud | after 4 gigs about 3333mb I believe for python it craps out |
| 03:03.53 | spersaud | stew: my own software .. just loading data into memory .. |
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| 03:14.24 | spersaud | stew: I even had to update my bios, here comes 64bit peeps :) |
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| 03:15.19 | stew | spersaud: if you need a process to use that much ram, then yes, you probably want amd64 |
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| 03:18.16 | abrotman | or a code audit :) |
| 03:19.13 | terr_ | I have a friend in NYC who is not technical and she needs some very vital files on her mac backed up. Is there anyone here who has connections for someone who can do this? |
| 03:20.11 | abrotman | terr_: there's probably a LUG channel on freenode for NYC |
| 03:20.36 | boudiccas | terr_; use rsync to an external drive |
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| 03:21.21 | epsilon | or just GOTO local mac store... |
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| 03:24.14 | terr_ | epsilon: good idea. How much does it cost? |
| 03:24.48 | boudiccas | terr_; how long is a piece of string? :) |
| 03:25.19 | terr_ | I mean we buy a new drive and ask the guys at an apple store to mirror what she has. |
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| 03:25.32 | terr_ | what will they charge for the service? |
| 03:25.39 | boudiccas | who knows? |
| 03:26.21 | terr_ | boudiccas: guess works for me |
| 03:26.44 | boudiccas | terr_; ring them up and ask them, their the people who know best of all |
| 03:27.12 | terr_ | boudiccas: I was hopeing someone here migh have done this. |
| 03:27.32 | boudiccas | we use PC's and linux, not macs and OSX |
| 03:27.34 | spersaud | its a simple program .. but then again this would not be a simple program in any other language .... :) |
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| 03:29.11 | DammitJim | dammit, what time is it? |
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| 03:29.20 | DammitJim | the time on my machine is totally messed up |
| 03:29.29 | terr_ | use ntp |
| 03:29.32 | boudiccas | DammitJim; 0420 |
| 03:29.39 | boudiccas | sorry 0429 |
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| 03:29.50 | EmleyMoor | 03:29 UTC |
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| 03:32.45 | DammitJim | dammit |
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| 03:33.07 | boudiccas | DammitJim; have you installed ntp? |
| 03:33.48 | DammitJim | no |
| 03:33.54 | DammitJim | apt-get install ntp? |
| 03:34.09 | boudiccas | yes, that should sort out your timing problems |
| 03:34.37 | boudiccas | i think you'll have more joy if you do ...... sudo apt-get install ntp |
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| 03:40.33 | Hovershell | Hi all, how much of debian is updated between releases? |
| 03:40.52 | Hovershell | Are we talking like kernel here, or just auxillary apps? |
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| 03:42.48 | stew | Hovershell: security updates. see http://security.debian.org for a list of recent updates or, for example http://www.debian.org/security/2011/ for a list of the security updates so far this year |
| 03:43.06 | Hovershell | stew: Thanks... Sort of looking for a rolling release version :S |
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| 03:43.49 | stew | Hovershell: debian doesn't currently have one targetted at end-users. some people would consider debian testing to be rolling, some wouldn't, since we freeze testing for months before it becomes the next debian release |
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| 03:44.18 | stew | Hovershell: testing is not targetted for end-users but as a vehicle for staging our next release. there are current discussions about possibly creating a rolling release targetted at end-users |
| 03:44.54 | Hovershell | stew: I'd support that. :) Right now I'm concerned that if I install debian I won't see any feature updates till what... 2013? |
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| 03:45.53 | stew | Hovershell: yes, our current plan is to freeze testing in june 2012, so sometime around 2013 is a good guess at a release timeframe |
| 03:46.07 | Hovershell | stew: That's for the info. :) |
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| 03:48.34 | lotus-blade | I am trying to setup xdmcp. can anyone help? |
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| 03:54.43 | somiaj | lotus-blade: better luck saying what you have done // any issues you are having -- have you read the info in /usr/share/doc/<pkg-name> for some post-installation tips |
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| 04:07.17 | PZt | hello is it possible to go from 4.X etch to 6.X squeeze without going to 5.0 lenny first? |
| 04:08.26 | stew | PZt: its possible, but not supported, not recommended, likely to cause problems, as many of the upgrades you'd be doing won't be very well tested |
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| 04:14.29 | PZt | stew okay thank you do you know how much longer lenny will get updates? |
| 04:14.50 | stew | PZt: until february |
| 04:15.31 | PZt | stew okay thank you again |
| 04:15.51 | PZt | goodbye |
| 04:16.05 | jackweb | Hello! I have installed Compiz to my GNOME. I´d like to run `compiz --replace` at GNOME startup. How to add/remove GNOME startup programs from terminal? |
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| 04:22.54 | alachiq | hi all, how to find cd/dvd mount point in terminal? |
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| 04:29.07 | jackweb | alachiq: # mount | grep cdrom ? |
| 04:32.10 | somiaj | alachiq: df can also show mounts and size |
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| 04:36.16 | spersaud | wholly crap my computer booted in 5 seconds with amd64 :) |
| 04:36.26 | spersaud | with solid state hd of course |
| 04:37.30 | Ikarus | no liquid state HD ? |
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| 05:06.27 | buhman | there's this annoying voice yelling at me about everything that's going on on my screen; how do I disable it? |
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| 05:33.18 | MagusOTB | What network filesystem would you guys reccomend for a home linux fileserver? |
| 05:33.58 | Ikarus | MagusOTB: depends on how secure it must be and between what OSes ? |
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| 05:35.19 | MagusOTB | Ikarus: security isn't too much of a concern, I have a pretty decent firewall and trust my roommates. OSs, all of them :\ |
| 05:35.32 | Ikarus | MagusOTB: samba |
| 05:35.36 | Ikarus | no other way around it |
| 05:35.50 | MagusOTB | K. thanks |
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| 05:40.03 | Lenin_Cat | How do I switch window manager |
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| 05:40.46 | alachiq | ** (xcdroast:20551): WARNING **: Failed to access cdrecord. Please check the permissions and ownership of /usr/bin/cdrecord |
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| 05:41.34 | MrFrood | Lenin_Cat: x-window-manager in the alternatives system |
| 05:42.32 | peterrooney | Lenin_Cat: update-alternative --config x-window-manager ; alternately, select which one you want to use via your display manager. |
| 05:42.49 | MrFrood | %tell Lenin_Cat about alternatives |
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| 05:46.12 | ZykoticK9 | alachiq, is it Debian or Ubuntu you are using? You really shouldn't be cross posting the same issues to both channels (just post to the one you are actually using) |
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| 05:49.16 | alachiq | ZykoticK9: i do'nt think its important |
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| 05:50.23 | TehRabbitt | hey guys... i've been running debian on my server, laptop, and now i'm considering running it dual-boot on my desktop just for the fact I still use windows for alot of stuff (mostly games and office 2010)... any advice on how I can bring steam over to linux (if possible) or office 2010 so i can just run linux and forget about keeping 40GB for windows? |
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| 05:50.44 | centHOGG | for games no |
| 05:50.57 | Lenin_Cat | gtk window decator doesnt work with compiz |
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| 05:51.27 | TehRabbitt | centHOGG: so basically i'm better off keeping a 40GB win7 partition on my primary drive so I can still play games when I want? |
| 05:51.36 | centHOGG | true |
| 05:52.31 | buhman | TehRabbitt: that's because Linux doesn't consider bugs to be features |
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| 05:53.00 | TehRabbitt | buhman: Haha well that is why I *want* to move my entire system over to linux :-\ |
| 05:53.17 | buhman | TehRabbitt: don't use office and find better games |
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| 05:53.41 | buhman | TehRabbitt: Most opengl games actually work quite well in wine, but don't think you can rely on it all the time |
| 05:53.55 | TehRabbitt | buhman, I've been running debian on my laptop for years now, only reason i've held out on my desktop is the fact that many games (steam games such as portal for instance), I have not had luck getting working in linux |
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| 05:54.08 | buhman | TehRabbitt: yeah, portal doesn't work at all |
| 05:54.23 | TehRabbitt | other than that, I also use office alot, and i've noticed ALOT of issues with openoffice with margins and fonts and such |
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| 05:54.47 | boxy | crossover is suppose to run office great |
| 05:55.04 | buhman | TehRabbitt: well, most people use LibreOffice now, fwiw. I've not seen any issues. |
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| 05:55.07 | TehRabbitt | boxy, crossover? |
| 05:55.16 | buhman | Office > 2002 seems really bloaty to me |
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| 05:55.30 | buhman | TehRabbitt: basically you pay for them to configure wine for you |
| 05:55.34 | buhman | TehRabbitt: ^ crossover |
| 05:55.36 | TehRabbitt | Ah |
| 05:56.30 | Lasers | TehRabbitt: Desktop? I keep things really easy by using separate hard drives. |
| 05:56.33 | buhman | TehRabbitt: crossover steals from the wine project, makes a few minor changes, doesn't contribute back into the project, and (presumably) makes economic profit off of selling open source software |
| 05:56.34 | boxy | I haven't used crossover personally I've heard good things about it. Also I haven't used wine in years, last time I did it was terrible haha |
| 05:56.52 | buhman | boxy: only if you don't know how to use it properly... |
| 05:57.08 | Lasers | Crossthieves. |
| 05:57.12 | boxy | buhman this was in maybe 2002? :P |
| 05:57.18 | boxy | So I can't really speak on it |
| 05:57.33 | buhman | boxy: most applications have dependencies on msvc/.net and you'll need to install those... |
| 05:57.43 | buhman | Lasers: indeed :P |
| 05:57.44 | TehRabbitt | Lasers: i'd like to have more than 1 drive in this machine, but i've got 4 total... 3 750GB drives, and 1 80GB drive... the system is maxed out on drives |
| 05:58.03 | TehRabbitt | problem is... the 3 750GB drives, well 2 are striped RAID 0, and the 3rd is just a standalone drive |
| 05:58.09 | Lasers | TehRabbitt: All of them occupied? |
| 05:58.14 | TehRabbitt | all 3 are on a controller card |
| 05:58.14 | buhman | TehRabbitt: "maxed out" O.o not possible :P |
| 05:58.20 | TehRabbitt | buhman: my case is |
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| 05:58.36 | boxy | TehRabbitt, just sit them on top of the case ;-) |
| 05:58.37 | TehRabbitt | and without $200 to buy a full-ATX case, I can't do much abo;ut it |
| 05:58.38 | Lasers | TehRabbitt: Well. It's up to you. I use 20GB HDD for OS alone. The latter for personal consumption. <3 |
| 05:58.38 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 05:58.44 | buhman | TehRabbitt: you can a bigger case... or just stack them on the bottom (inside) or on top :P |
| 05:58.52 | buhman | TehRabbitt: I used to do that :P |
| 05:58.55 | TehRabbitt | buhman: microATX |
| 05:59.10 | buhman | TehRabbitt: duct-tape them to the side of the case |
| 05:59.11 | TehRabbitt | there's barely room for the PSU cables |
| 05:59.12 | TehRabbitt | lol |
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| 05:59.25 | TehRabbitt | that's ok, i just bought an LSI SAS card for the system |
| 05:59.26 | boxy | TehRabbitt gotta pay to play :P |
| 05:59.45 | Lenin_Cat | flash and video run insanely slow |
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| 05:59.54 | TehRabbitt | boxy: yea i know, i just can't justify spending more than 40-50 for a full ATX case |
| 05:59.55 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: that's because flash sucks |
| 06:00.00 | Lenin_Cat | on windows its fine buhman. |
| 06:00.10 | Lasers | TehRabbitt: Cardboard ATX Case. |
| 06:00.16 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: so? |
| 06:00.17 | Lenin_Cat | on debian I cant even watch 360p videos on youtube |
| 06:00.29 | Lenin_Cat | So theres something wrong |
| 06:00.32 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: what card? |
| 06:00.40 | boxy | Lenin_Cat 1080p runs great on Windows :] |
| 06:00.41 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: I wouldn't be so quick to blame debian itself |
| 06:00.42 | Lenin_Cat | some internal intel |
| 06:00.51 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: then you should be fine |
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| 06:01.09 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: (maybe, depending on how new/old your gma is) |
| 06:01.24 | Lenin_Cat | buhman, its in a 1005HAB eee pc |
| 06:01.39 | Lenin_Cat | Why is video running so slow |
| 06:01.40 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: did you install flash-nonfree? or are you using gnash? |
| 06:01.48 | Lenin_Cat | flash-nonfree |
| 06:01.55 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: and again, because flash is really terrible |
| 06:01.55 | Lenin_Cat | but I actually didnt install it |
| 06:01.58 | Lenin_Cat | setup migh |
| 06:02.04 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: umm not it didn't |
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| 06:02.09 | Lenin_Cat | buhman, then why does it run fine on windows |
| 06:02.18 | Lenin_Cat | well then why does chromium have flash installed |
| 06:02.19 | Lenin_Cat | :/ |
| 06:02.39 | TehRabbitt | Lenin_Cat: go to my website http://www.tehrabbitt.com/ |
| 06:02.41 | TehRabbitt | click on "debian" |
| 06:02.45 | TehRabbitt | theres a nice tutorial on how to fix that |
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| 06:02.59 | TehRabbitt | http://tehrabbitt.com/index.php?content=debian&type=audiobug |
| 06:03.08 | TehRabbitt | it fixes a sound bug, but might also fix your laggyness |
| 06:03.11 | Lenin_Cat | your internets are slow |
| 06:03.12 | Lenin_Cat | :/ |
| 06:03.16 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: adobe doesn't care about you or linux, they just care about making money and market dominance, just like microsoft |
| 06:03.35 | TehRabbitt | Lenin_Cat: my internets are slow? |
| 06:03.36 | Meier | xNathanEx seems to be an on-join spammer |
| 06:03.39 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: his internet works just fine here |
| 06:03.47 | Lenin_Cat | TehRabbitt, it took a bit to load the page |
| 06:04.11 | buhman | TehRabbitt: have a large file that I can prove him wrong with ? ;D |
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| 06:04.26 | TehRabbitt | buhman: lol |
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| 06:04.33 | TehRabbitt | I have a 50/50Mbit line |
| 06:04.37 | TehRabbitt | far from slow lol |
| 06:04.39 | buhman | TehRabbitt: I'm 200/200 |
| 06:04.42 | TehRabbitt | X_X |
| 06:04.43 | TehRabbitt | lucky |
| 06:04.44 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 06:04.45 | Lenin_Cat | Apparently setup did not put me in the sudoers file |
| 06:04.57 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: no, because you should do that yourself |
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| 06:05.20 | buhman | TehRabbitt: that's why I'm saying: let's prove him wrong :P |
| 06:06.07 | Lenin_Cat | TehRabbitt, lucky, I have a 30/10 line |
| 06:06.10 | TehRabbitt | buhman: lol |
| 06:06.46 | xNathanEx | hello |
| 06:06.47 | Lenin_Cat | were is the sudoers file? |
| 06:06.52 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: also flash on amd64 has never worked well either |
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| 06:07.07 | Lenin_Cat | Not using 64 bit buhman. |
| 06:07.29 | ZykoticK9 | Lenin_Cat, just add your user to the "sudo" group and you should be fine after a logout/login |
| 06:07.47 | buhman | ZykoticK9: I thought the changes were instantaneous |
| 06:07.50 | Lenin_Cat | damn it |
| 06:07.53 | Lenin_Cat | ill be right back |
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| 06:08.14 | buhman | ZykoticK9: is that the preferred way to do it? |
| 06:08.20 | TehRabbitt | buhman: i've got flash working on x64 |
| 06:08.21 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 06:08.23 | ZykoticK9 | buhman, logout/login required for any user group membership changes to take effect |
| 06:08.23 | buhman | ZykoticK9: I had always thought that visudo |
| 06:08.26 | buhman | TehRabbitt: so do I |
| 06:08.32 | buhman | ZykoticK9: yes, I wasn't thinking... |
| 06:08.57 | buhman | ZykoticK9: like I said, I'd always use visudo to add users |
| 06:09.13 | TehRabbitt | buhman: http://www.tehrabbitt.com/downloads/office2010.exe |
| 06:09.15 | TehRabbitt | go for it ;) 2GB |
| 06:09.19 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 06:09.20 | ZykoticK9 | buhman, adding the user(s) to the sudo group is much easier |
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| 06:11.19 | Lenin_Cat | `/usr/lib64/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so': No such file or directory |
| 06:11.26 | Lenin_Cat | Did setup install gnash? |
| 06:11.51 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: XD you just said you weren't on amd64 :P |
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| 06:12.03 | buhman | ZykoticK9: I'd say logging in/out is much harder |
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| 06:12.07 | Lenin_Cat | buhman, I just copypasted that from the website |
| 06:12.12 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: so? |
| 06:12.30 | Lenin_Cat | I didnt notice it said 64 |
| 06:12.43 | boxy | dang I get 768 kbps / 40 kbps ~ |
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| 06:13.10 | ZykoticK9 | buhman, so adding user using visudo is instant then? I'm surprised. |
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| 06:13.39 | Lenin_Cat | E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate |
| 06:13.40 | buhman | ZykoticK9: yes, for me at least :) |
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| 06:14.00 | Lenin_Cat | setup did indeed install gnash |
| 06:14.27 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: ^ precisely the reason I said it did |
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| 06:15.43 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: and your complaints of slowness are also uncalled for: http://imagebin.org/161897 |
| 06:16.56 | Lenin_Cat | buhman, I apologize |
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| 06:17.42 | Lenin_Cat | is there a terminal based irc client that has mouse support? |
| 06:17.55 | Lenin_Cat | buhman, also sorry for the issue, it was just gnash |
| 06:18.01 | Lenin_Cat | but it is still slow compared to windows |
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| 06:18.23 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: -.- |
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| 06:18.35 | TehRabbitt | what is the *easiest* way to re-partition my primary drive *without* reformatting the win7 partition I have on there? |
| 06:18.48 | buhman | TehRabbitt: what do you want to change? |
| 06:18.51 | Lenin_Cat | buhman, :3 |
| 06:19.02 | centHOGG | depends on what your boot loader is win or linux |
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| 06:19.39 | wm4 | does anyone know how to prevent scripts changing /etc/uswsusp.conf during normal updates? |
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| 06:25.54 | TehRabbitt | Well, Right now I have an 80GB drive installed on my motherboard's AHCI sata controller... |
| 06:25.59 | TehRabbitt | I want to partition it 40/40 |
| 06:26.09 | TehRabbitt | keep windows on it's own 40GB partition |
| 06:26.15 | TehRabbitt | put debian on the other 40GB |
| 06:26.32 | TehRabbitt | which already is more than enough for debian as it's not as bloated as windows |
| 06:26.45 | TehRabbitt | then... I can use Grub to switch between the two |
| 06:26.48 | TehRabbitt | if possible.. |
| 06:26.58 | buhman | TehRabbitt: why is that a problem? |
| 06:27.07 | TehRabbitt | Already have windows installed |
| 06:27.09 | TehRabbitt | don't want to reformat |
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| 06:27.15 | TehRabbitt | it's a fresh install of windows |
| 06:27.22 | TehRabbitt | but it's 3 hours of work to get it back on here |
| 06:27.30 | buhman | TehRabbitt: you can shrink it, provided you have at least 40gb free space on that partition |
| 06:27.33 | TehRabbitt | esp drivers |
| 06:27.46 | TehRabbitt | buhman: using what i mean... |
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| 06:27.58 | TehRabbitt | can't do it in windows as it refuses to let you shrink the current system partition |
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| 06:28.09 | valium | hey all - is there any tool to search through the user information that you entered when using the adduser command? |
| 06:28.18 | buhman | TehRabbitt: of course, you can't do that on any operating system really... |
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| 06:28.25 | buhman | TehRabbitt: the debian installer can resize I think |
| 06:28.31 | buhman | TehRabbitt: otherwise use a gparted livecd |
| 06:28.41 | centHOGG | acronis |
| 06:28.46 | TehRabbitt | hm |
| 06:28.59 | TehRabbitt | I thought of gparted, but haven't tried it yet |
| 06:29.03 | TehRabbitt | and acronis should do it? |
| 06:29.22 | centHOGG | not sure |
| 06:29.31 | ZykoticK9 | valium, "grep FOO /etc/passwd" might work |
| 06:30.31 | buhman | TehRabbitt: no idea, use open source software |
| 06:30.44 | buhman | TehRabbitt: I wouldn't trust acronis with my data |
| 06:30.56 | centHOGG | heh |
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| 06:31.07 | valium | ZykoticK9 thanks |
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| 06:33.27 | TehRabbitt | buhman: yea idk about acronis to be honest |
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| 06:33.59 | buhman | TehRabbitt: why did you even bring it up? |
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| 06:34.16 | buhman | TehRabbitt: I had to google it to even figure out what you were talking about |
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| 06:34.49 | TehRabbitt | buhman: someone mentioned it here |
| 06:35.08 | buhman | TehRabbitt: I would find that very strange |
| 06:35.16 | buhman | TehRabbitt: they probably don't lurk here very often |
| 06:35.35 | TehRabbitt | <centHOGG> acronis |
| 06:35.40 | centHOGG | yeah |
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| 06:35.50 | buhman | TehRabbitt: never seen him before :P |
| 06:35.55 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 06:35.56 | centHOGG | the last version of acronis i had didn't recog ext4 |
| 06:35.57 | wols_ | valium: getent? what do you mean by search? |
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| 06:37.33 | buhman | TehRabbitt: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gparted/files/gparted-live-stable/0.8.1-3/gparted-live-0.8.1-3.iso/download |
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| 06:38.08 | buhman | TehRabbitt: then do something like dd if=gparted-live-0.8.1-3.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M |
| 06:38.36 | buhman | TehRabbitt: where sdX is your usb stick block device |
| 06:38.50 | TehRabbitt | buhman: if i had dd in windows haha X_X i'm on the desktop i'm talking about right now lol |
| 06:38.57 | TehRabbitt | I wish i had DD in windows |
| 06:39.00 | TehRabbitt | it exists... just buggy |
| 06:39.07 | wols_ | buggy how? |
| 06:39.16 | TehRabbitt | windows has issues with drives sometimes |
| 06:39.21 | TehRabbitt | it's not a DD issue, it's a windows issue |
| 06:39.37 | buhman | TehRabbitt: if you're still dependent on GUI's you might try opensuse's dd gui... let me find it |
| 06:39.44 | TehRabbitt | drive letters change @ random when you have many flash drives plugged in, etc |
| 06:39.59 | buhman | TehRabbitt: not really |
| 06:40.06 | TehRabbitt | buhman: eh 99% of the stuff I do in linux I rely on CLI, windows, I rarely touch DOS |
| 06:40.07 | TehRabbitt | lol |
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| 06:40.14 | r15 | hi all |
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| 06:40.22 | TehRabbitt | buhman: could just be my system then lol |
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| 06:40.27 | buhman | this should work for your GUI-dependency ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/kiwi/ImageWriter.exe |
| 06:40.49 | buhman | that requires .net 2.0 afaik |
| 06:40.51 | r15 | i am getting error File too large whie copying 4.5 GB iso |
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| 06:41.05 | buhman | r15: to a fat32 filesystem, right? |
| 06:41.11 | r15 | yes |
| 06:41.15 | TehRabbitt | all i know is that for whatever reason, I plug in a usb flash drive, it shows up as "O:" and then when i plug a second drive which had it's drive letter set as "O:" through windows' "Disk Manager"... it creates a nasty conflict |
| 06:41.18 | buhman | r15: that's your answer |
| 06:41.23 | buhman | r15: using something less crappy |
| 06:41.35 | r15 | yes, usb drive |
| 06:41.45 | buhman | r15: format it with ext2 |
| 06:41.51 | TehRabbitt | buhman: well i just finished burning my debian businesscard ISO... now just gotta burn my Gparted ISO and it's resize time |
| 06:41.52 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 06:42.27 | r15 | any other workaround? i have lots of data |
| 06:42.32 | wols_ | r15: of ntfs if you need windows compatibility |
| 06:42.49 | wols_ | there is no other workaround. none. FAT has a max file size of 4GB and nothing more |
| 06:42.50 | buhman | r15: mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdc1 assuming your usb stick only has one partition |
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| 06:43.05 | r15 | ok |
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| 06:43.08 | buhman | r15: and that sdX is your usb stick |
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| 06:43.35 | r15 | i have data, cant format rightnow |
| 06:44.00 | buhman | r15: afaik, windows can do an in-place conversion of fat32 to ntfs... |
| 06:44.40 | buhman | r15: I'm assuming you're working with windows (why else would you be using fat32...) |
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| 06:45.08 | buhman | r15: otherwise you'll have to split the file up into smaller pieces |
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| 06:45.24 | buhman | r15: those are your *only* options |
| 06:46.04 | ejsejs_ | Hey, I don't know how to make it so I can mount a filesystem without being root while retaining the funky little number as the filesystem name |
| 06:46.25 | wols_ | what funky little number? |
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| 06:46.47 | ejsejs_ | that is, I have a windows partition. In nautilus, in gnome, to mount it, I just click on the folder, and it automatically mounts it |
| 06:46.55 | wols_ | you can mount a filesystem if it's listed in /etc/fstab and has "user" in its options |
| 06:46.56 | ejsejs_ | I want it to mount it automatically |
| 06:47.04 | ejsejs_ | wols_: but that never seems to work |
| 06:47.16 | ejsejs_ | and the funky number is F0FDAF$IWNFAS or something |
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| 06:47.20 | ejsejs_ | I forget the name |
| 06:47.38 | wols_ | is it a fixed partition, ie a partition on an internal harddisk? |
| 06:47.53 | ejsejs_ | I need it to mount as /media/F0FSNFS because i have a sym link on it |
| 06:48.00 | ejsejs_ | wols_: I don't know what that means |
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| 06:48.13 | ejsejs_ | it's onmy harddrive. It's my windows partition |
| 06:48.19 | wols_ | is this partition on a harddisk inside your PC? |
| 06:48.25 | ejsejs_ | ...yes... |
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| 06:48.39 | buhman | ejsejs_: you plan on making symlinks on a windows partition? |
| 06:48.45 | wols_ | ok, then edit your /etc/fstab and it will be automatically mounted when debian boots. /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 06:49.02 | ejsejs_ | buhman: I guess, why? |
| 06:49.10 | buhman | ejsejs_: ntfs doesn't really support symlinks (especially not prior to windows 7 ntfs's) |
| 06:49.39 | ejsejs_ | buhman: funny, because it works |
| 06:49.53 | buhman | ejsejs_: then you're probably not making a symlink |
| 06:49.54 | wols_ | ejsejs_: it doesn't. you probably misunderstand what he asked |
| 06:50.05 | ejsejs_ | the symlink is in my windows partition |
| 06:50.12 | ejsejs_ | it directs to my windows partition |
| 06:50.15 | ejsejs_ | I have no problem with it |
| 06:50.32 | ejsejs_ | symlink is in my linux partition** |
| 06:50.36 | buhman | ejsejs_: ^^ |
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| 06:51.01 | buhman | ejsejs_: anyway, you'll want to make an fstab entry that mounts your drive to wherever you want it |
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| 06:51.44 | ejsejs_ | I suppose, but I want it to do it on boot, and I want a normal user to be able to accessit, and it has to mount at /media/F0etc |
| 06:51.59 | buhman | ejsejs_: then do it... |
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| 06:52.12 | ejsejs_ | buhman: real helpful ther, isn't it? |
| 06:52.46 | wols_ | ejsejs_: and I told you what to do for starters: ask dpkg about ntfsrw |
| 06:52.51 | buhman | ejsejs_: you also haven't asked a question that would result in me giving you the spoonfeeding you're asking for |
| 06:53.07 | wols_ | %ntfsrw |
| 06:53.08 | dselect | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 06:53.13 | ejsejs_ | buhman: you obviously lack the ability to infer |
| 06:53.25 | ejsejs_ | I don't know how to make it mount as that number |
| 06:53.39 | buhman | ejsejs_: no I lack the ability to sympatize with people who don't know how to google how to play with fstab |
| 06:53.40 | TehRabbitt | btw, anyone here know how i can access JFS partitions from within windows 7? |
| 06:53.41 | ejsejs_ | first off, why is it /media/F0FSAFKDSN |
| 06:53.45 | ejsejs_ | what does that number mean? what is it? |
| 06:53.51 | buhman | ejsejs_: some kind of GUID |
| 06:53.51 | TehRabbitt | if I decide to convert my other drives over to JFS |
| 06:53.57 | wols_ | ejsejs_: ask gnome volumen manager which mounts it for you |
| 06:54.12 | wols_ | TehRabbitt: you can't |
| 06:54.24 | TehRabbitt | wols_: any FS or just NTFS :-\ |
| 06:54.25 | ejsejs_ | wols_: what? |
| 06:54.32 | buhman | ejsejs_: intended to be unique for that specific partition |
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| 06:54.47 | ejsejs_ | What's the name of it so I ccan google it? |
| 06:55.08 | wols_ | TehRabbitt: well not totally true. you can run colinux or any other VM and run debian inside there and then export the partitions via Samba. but generally the only filesystems windows can read are FAT, NTFS and ext3 |
| 06:55.19 | wols_ | ejsejs_: name of what? |
| 06:55.21 | TehRabbitt | hm so not even ext4? |
| 06:55.27 | ejsejs_ | wols_: that NUMBER |
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| 06:55.38 | ejsejs_ | /media/F0fdskafns |
| 06:55.47 | ejsejs_ | that directory name |
| 06:55.51 | ejsejs_ | associated with the device |
| 06:55.56 | ejsejs_ | I need it to mount as that |
| 06:56.12 | wols_ | ejsejs_: that "NUMBER" which is not a number contrary to you foolishky insisiting on it, is a designation UNIQUE to your PC and your filesystem. it won't show up anywhere else |
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| 06:56.39 | ejsejs_ | wols_: *facepalm* |
| 06:56.40 | wols_ | then mount it as that. but if you ignore the help and pointers we're giving you, I will very soon ignore you completely. your choice |
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| 06:56.58 | ejsejs_ | wols_: youre purposely misunderstanding me -.- |
| 06:57.39 | ejsejs_ | It doesn't matter what I call it, firstly. Secondly, it is associated with the device. Unique to the filesystem. This is why it had the same name undergoogle |
| 06:57.46 | wols_ | ejsejs_: no. you are just ignorant of people trying to help you. read what dselect told you above. if you don't want to: fine. then you can ask someone else for help |
| 06:57.59 | ejsejs_ | What is the "desination" called? How do I make it mount with that as the name? |
| 06:58.23 | ejsejs_ | How do I emulate mounting it automatically without sudo in the same way nautilus does in ubuntu? |
| 06:58.23 | wols_ | "destionation" in what context? |
| 06:58.34 | ejsejs_ | wols_: in the context that you used it |
| 06:58.42 | ejsejs_ | you said it wasnt a number, it was a designation |
| 06:59.13 | wols_ | you put it in fstab. as you said yourself it was a /media subdirectory |
| 06:59.24 | ejsejs_ | I didn't touch fstab. |
| 06:59.33 | wols_ | yes. but you need to |
| 07:00.01 | ejsejs_ | wols_: okay, but wols? There already is an option for it to do it automatically |
| 07:00.10 | TehRabbitt | wols_: so I shouldn't have any issues with ext3 being shared between the two installs though right? (i'm only going to be using it for my music / pictures partitions) |
| 07:00.16 | ejsejs_ | This is what nautilus does. It doesn't pull a number out of its ass |
| 07:00.40 | buhman | ejsejs_: like I said, it's related to the device-unique identifier |
| 07:00.53 | ejsejs_ | Is that the term for it? "device-unique identifier"? |
| 07:01.03 | wols_ | ejsejs_: I told you to look at gnome volume manager. another thing you conveniently ignored. I think I will copy your behaviour now |
| 07:01.11 | TehRabbitt | ejsejs_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globally_unique_identifier |
| 07:01.15 | TehRabbitt | thats what it is basically |
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| 07:01.26 | ejsejs_ | wols_: please, be mature. |
| 07:01.29 | ejsejs_ | thank you, TehRabbitt |
| 07:01.35 | TehRabbitt | read that |
| 07:01.37 | wols_ | TehRabbitt: doesn't mean gnome calls it that.... tho they might with their love of all things MSFT |
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| 07:01.51 | TehRabbitt | lol |
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| 07:02.00 | TehRabbitt | wols_: use KDE i'm guessing? |
| 07:02.04 | wols_ | there is no commonly accepted name for GUIDs. e.g. linux has UUID for filesystems |
| 07:02.08 | wols_ | TehRabbitt: neither |
| 07:02.15 | TehRabbitt | hm what do you use? |
| 07:02.17 | TehRabbitt | any GUI? |
| 07:02.35 | TehRabbitt | I honestly can't stand gnome... i've been using KDE for years now |
| 07:02.46 | TehRabbitt | even though KDE seems rather bloaty nowadays |
| 07:02.50 | wols_ | TehRabbitt: and this is pertinent to debian support how? |
| 07:02.56 | ejsejs_ | wols_: who said i used gnome? |
| 07:03.01 | ejsejs_ | I'm on awesomewm now |
| 07:03.10 | ejsejs_ | so I dont see what good a gnoem volume manager is |
| 07:03.39 | Worf | i have some machines where i did specify "sleep 365d" as windowmanager :) |
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| 07:04.02 | buhman | ejsejs_: awesomewm is just a window manager, not a desktop environment |
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| 07:04.16 | ejsejs_ | buhman: and? what's your point? |
| 07:04.20 | TehRabbitt | anyway i'll be back hopefully in a little while from within debian on this machine... *crosses fingers*... hopefully it resizes without any issues |
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| 07:04.23 | ejsejs_ | It's not gnome, so why would it have that program? |
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| 07:05.31 | wols_ | nautilus in ubuntu is gnome, hence it uses gnome volume manager which means the "funny number" is assigned by gnome volume manager. which is the place to look why the "number" is as it is |
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| 07:06.58 | ejsejs_ | Please don't use quote to imply I'm stupid. |
| 07:07.05 | ejsejs_ | It's a numbe.r Numbers can have letters. |
| 07:07.27 | wols_ | then please tell me what base this number of yours uses |
| 07:07.48 | ejsejs_ | according t wikipedia, hexidecimal |
| 07:07.49 | buhman | wols_: base 36 :P |
| 07:08.13 | wols_ | hint: generally letter in numbers means it's hexadecimal, especially in computing. hexacedimal uses A-F. now look at your "number" again |
| 07:08.30 | ejsejs_ | wols_: all strings are numbers. |
| 07:08.38 | centHOGG | integers |
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| 07:09.38 | ejsejs_ | When there is a "random" looking string like that, which wasn't intended by human, we refer to that as a number in the computing world |
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| 07:10.06 | wols_ | ejsejs_: don't talk to about something you have obviously no clue about it. you are not necessarily stupid (I don't have enough data for a conclusion), but you are definitely ignorant. if you construe this as an insult, I can't help you. since I need to repeat myself with you: you got your answer what to do several times, if you don't want to follow it that's your choice |
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| 07:10.25 | ejsejs_ | rolls his eyes |
| 07:10.33 | ejsejs_ | helpful helpful! |
| 07:10.34 | wols_ | and no, we don't call that a number, we call that a "string". BASE64 encoding looks very "random", it's still not a number |
| 07:10.42 | ejsejs_ | It is a number. |
| 07:10.47 | ejsejs_ | but semantics! |
| 07:10.52 | ejsejs_ | My problem is with your tone, really. |
| 07:11.19 | wols_ | ejsejs_: at the end of the day you still have a problem and you still ignore the solution you were given repeatedly. instead you like to troll.time is wasted on you |
| 07:11.33 | ejsejs_ | >implying that I'm not looking into this situation |
| 07:11.38 | ejsejs_ | solution |
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| 07:12.01 | ejsejs_ | You have a weird concept of what "trolling" is. I just don't liek being treated like shit. |
| 07:12.03 | wols_ | there is no implying. I have the clear proof you don't. you aren't interested in a solution :) |
| 07:12.08 | ejsejs_ | Because I'm not worthy of your time. |
| 07:12.26 | ejsejs_ | jsut sit back, take a deep breath, and relax. |
| 07:12.44 | wols_ | is very relaxed and smiling |
| 07:12.47 | ejsejs_ | If you get tht angry when someone is too dumb for you, maybe you shouldn't be in a support channel |
| 07:12.52 | Pegasus_RPG | hello there. I just want to know if there's a way to have the netboot main menu be in text mode from the start and redirect to the serial console? |
| 07:12.58 | ejsejs_ | Oh, then I guess its a permanent partof your personality. |
| 07:13.13 | wols_ | Pegasus_RPG: what netboot menu exactly? |
| 07:13.32 | Pegasus_RPG | Well, I downloaded the netboot.tar.gz package and unpacked it to my tftp server |
| 07:14.03 | ejsejs_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.03 | Pegasus_RPG | sec, my tftp server is installing upgrades |
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| 07:14.28 | ejsejs_ | If I put the above line in /etc/fstab, would that require root? |
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| 07:15.06 | buhman | ejsejs_: would what require root? |
| 07:15.13 | buhman | ejsejs_: editing fstab, yes |
| 07:15.31 | ejsejs_ | mounting it. |
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| 07:16.11 | buhman | ejsejs_: depends on whether you set the users flag |
| 07:16.14 | ejsejs_ | it says thats the line it uses for gnome volume manager, but gnome volume manager still requires sudo |
| 07:16.20 | ejsejs_ | buhman: did you read the line? |
| 07:16.25 | ejsejs_ | It says users. |
| 07:16.29 | Pegasus_RPG | ejsejs_: check permissions on /dev/usbkey and /media/usbkey |
| 07:16.37 | wols_ | ejsejs_: and users is wrong. user is right |
| 07:16.53 | wols_ | ejsejs_: which a quick look at "man fstab" shows you |
| 07:16.58 | ejsejs_ | This is probably what fucked me up before. It didnt work at ubuntu either |
| 07:17.10 | wols_ | rather, man 5 fstab |
| 07:17.12 | Pegasus_RPG | has gotten snagged on that one before too |
| 07:17.24 | ejsejs_ | wols_:says users in some places, user in other places. Different in different forums. |
| 07:17.50 | wols_ | forums are no definite source of documentation. man pages are. |
| 07:17.51 | ejsejs_ | Additionally, which you guys ignored, is the fact that that is the line that gvm uses, and it still requires sudo |
| 07:17.52 | buhman | ejsejs_: why would you expect changing distributions to magically make you able to misconfigure fstab and still have it work the way you want? |
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| 07:18.13 | ejsejs_ | buhman: what are you trying to say? |
| 07:18.14 | wols_ | gvm runs as root. it doesn't need sudo or such, duh |
| 07:18.34 | buhman | ejsejs_: exactly what I just said |
| 07:18.43 | ejsejs_ | buhman: reprhase it. |
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| 07:19.09 | wols_ | Pegasus_RPG: only on filesystems that actually honor permissions |
| 07:19.18 | buhman | If you configure fstab wrong, it won't work the way you want it to regardless of which distribution you're using |
| 07:19.23 | Pegasus_RPG | yes, that's true |
| 07:19.44 | ejsejs_ | buhman: why would how I configured ubuntu last month matter in how I configure debian today? |
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| 07:20.01 | ejsejs_ | I'm saying the inconsistency on whether its user or users probably messed me up before |
| 07:20.15 | centHOGG | amish rake fight |
| 07:20.36 | sauvin | yawns |
| 07:21.06 | ejsejs_ | http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html <--example of "user" |
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| 07:21.21 | ejsejs_ | My other link? users |
| 07:21.52 | wols_ | Pegasus_RPG: are you trying to install lenny? |
| 07:22.02 | wols_ | ejsejs_: you didn't give another link |
| 07:22.27 | ejsejs_ | wols_: read up. |
| 07:22.27 | buhman | ejsejs_: they do not mean the same thing |
| 07:22.47 | buhman | ejsejs_: user == any user, users == people in the users group |
| 07:22.49 | wols_ | ejsejs_: I did. this link for tuxfiles.org is the ONLY link you gave |
| 07:22.50 | Pegasus_RPG | wols_: no, squeeze. Netboot works out-of-the-box when I'm at the local console. But now I'm trying to remotely install via a serial console and have no access to the main menu. |
| 07:23.24 | ejsejs_ | http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Using_Gnome_Volume_Manager.html |
| 07:23.26 | Pegasus_RPG | wols_: so I was wondering if I can add the same console=ttys0,115200 stuff that I do to grub? |
| 07:23.27 | ejsejs_ | that link |
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| 07:24.22 | ejsejs_ | additional, I have no gnome-volume-manager on my computer |
| 07:24.27 | ejsejs_ | so that isnt how nautilus does it |
| 07:24.31 | buhman | ejsejs_: the only authoritative source of information would be the manpages |
| 07:24.42 | wols_ | Pegasus_RPG: check out documentation of syslinux, sub program pxelinux. it's the bootloader network booting uses. and yes you need to add this as a kernel parameter. |
| 07:24.51 | buhman | ejsejs_: these random websites are not in any way "proof" of anything |
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| 07:25.29 | ejsejs_ | buhman: thank you for that. Enlightening. Didnt we establish tht they were different options alrady? |
| 07:25.50 | ejsejs_ | So what exactly are you arguing agaisnt? |
| 07:25.54 | buhman | ejsejs_: yes |
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| 07:26.11 | ejsejs_ | What am I "proving"? |
| 07:26.12 | buhman | ejsejs_: forums, etc... |
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| 07:27.16 | Pegasus_RPG | wols_: I'm also wondering if I need to change things in debian-installer/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, specifically the vesamenu line. (Then to what?) |
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| 07:29.33 | wols_ | ,info gnome-volume-manager |
| 07:29.35 | judd | No record of package 'gnome-volume-manager' in squeeze/i386. |
| 07:29.43 | wols_ | ,info gvfs |
| 07:29.45 | judd | Package gvfs (libs, optional) in squeeze/i386: userspace virtual filesystem - server. Version: 1.6.4-3; Size: 1183.0k; Installed: 4180k |
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| 07:31.09 | wols_ | Pegasus_RPG: dunno to what. afaik the menu at the beginning is syslinux. what you need to do (or I would) is remove all the menu stuff I can find and simply load vmlinuz with the serial console parameters added and initrd. that should (afaik) start the installer |
| 07:31.12 | buhman | ejsejs_: you could strace gvfs-mount your drive and you'll probably find out how it comes up with your "magic number" |
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| 07:31.47 | ejsejs_ | buhman: you're very spiteful |
| 07:31.48 | buhman | ejsejs_: unless of course the actual mounting is done using some kind of dbus magic that strace would obviously not be able to see |
| 07:31.55 | ejsejs_ | ust call it a GUID. |
| 07:32.00 | ejsejs_ | Isntead of mocking me. |
| 07:32.01 | buhman | ejsejs_: it's not a guid |
| 07:32.08 | ejsejs_ | Then what is it? |
| 07:32.12 | Pegasus_RPG | wols_: ok thank you very much |
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| 07:32.34 | ejsejs_ | UUID? |
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| 07:33.00 | rdz | hi all. after upgrading the kernel i get this: http://paste.debian.net/122182/ however, when running lilo manually as root, there aren't any troubles. how can i find where this "offending" lilo command is located? |
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| 07:33.37 | streuner | judd, file /usr/bin/lilo |
| 07:33.39 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 07:33.49 | wols_ | rdz: /etc/kernel/postinst.d |
| 07:34.01 | ejsejs_ | buhman: what is it? |
| 07:34.03 | rdz | wols_, i'll check.. thanks |
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| 07:34.26 | wols_ | rdz: possibly /etc/kernel-img.conf if it's an older thing |
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| 07:35.22 | streuner | rdz, or just install grub and remove lilo, after upgrade you make the same backwards :-) |
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| 07:35.59 | dreamer | hmm, I should probably ask my bofh, but I'm having trouble getting X to run on my workstation. I'm using an install-image from the ICT. But anyway, Xorg.0.log doesn't give any errors, but I only get a black screen when starting gdm |
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| 07:36.32 | wols_ | what chip and driver? and what is in your log (pastebin?) |
| 07:36.41 | rdz | streuner, as a last resort... possibly..... yes |
| 07:37.33 | ejsejs_ | So I guess I'll ask again, since the people who *think* they know don't know thing.. How do I edit fstab so it mounts to /media/<GUID> ? |
| 07:37.51 | dreamer | wols_: k, it's an nVidia Corporation G94 [Quadro FX 1800] using the latest nvidia driver |
| 07:38.13 | wols_ | dreamer: "latest nvidia driver" meaning what exactly? |
| 07:38.36 | dreamer | wols_: the installer from nvidia |
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| 07:38.44 | wols_ | dreamer: then ask #nvidia please |
| 07:38.47 | dreamer | NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-275.09.07.run |
| 07:38.53 | dreamer | wols_: but I got a black screen with vesa also |
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| 07:39.30 | buhman | how is judd coming up with his package names? http://paste.pound-python.org/show/9169/ |
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| 07:39.41 | buhman | I'm not sure how there's an amd64 kernel in the i386 repositories... |
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| 07:41.19 | wols_ | buhman: same way as apt-cache is. there is a linux-image-amd64 virtual package but none 386. there probably is a linux-image-686 however. possibly a 486 too |
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| 07:42.07 | wols_ | buhman: note how debian doesn't run a actually i80386 anymore and has no kernels for it either |
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| 07:42.47 | wols_ | and there is a amd64 kernel in ie386 since many people run a amd64 kernel to access more than 4 GB while their userland is still normal i386 |
| 07:43.56 | gnarface | wols_: you can do that? neato |
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| 07:46.15 | jelly-home | wols_: also the silly squeeze installer defaulted to amd64 kernel flavor when it could |
| 07:46.38 | rdz | <wols_> rdz: possibly /etc/kernel-img.conf if it's an older thing <- this was it exactly. many thanks, wols_ !! |
| 07:47.00 | jelly-home | wols_: even though there are things broken with -amd64 kernel and 32bit userspace because syscall mappings / 32bit emulation is not complete |
| 07:47.48 | jelly-home | lvm tools can complain; hibernation has issues |
| 07:48.13 | jelly-home | virtualbox doesn't work at all with an amd64 kernel and i386 userspace, but that's their problem |
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| 07:53.19 | ugly_duck | whats the best vpn server to use? |
| 07:53.21 | ugly_duck | openvpn? |
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| 07:53.46 | Kromgol | Somehow the LVM on my previous Debian installation got severely messed up and i'm now reformatting, but i have a problem where i can't delete the freaking volume group because it says a logical volume is still in use, even though i deleted all! This happens in the installer. |
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| 07:53.48 | Kromgol | What's the problem? |
| 07:53.48 | deeLer | ugly_duck: most common yes |
| 07:54.15 | ugly_duck | cheers |
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| 07:56.50 | wols_ | jelly-home: I thought all the important bits (libc, iptables, proprietary nvidia/fglrx modules) work now? am I mistaken? |
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| 07:57.03 | jelly-home | wols_: sorry? |
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| 07:57.17 | wols_ | jelly-home: amd64 kernel in i386 debian |
| 07:57.28 | jelly-home | wols_: the things you mentioned do work |
| 07:57.50 | wols_ | ugly_duck: there are some others like tinc, or some pptp thing, etc. it depends on usage. but openvpn is a good standard to start with |
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| 07:58.10 | wols_ | jelly-home: yes but you mentioned some syscalls don't. so I was wondering what they break |
| 07:58.12 | Kromgol | Nvm, i solved it. |
| 07:58.28 | jelly-home | wols_: I just enumerated some stuff that complains or breaks |
| 07:58.41 | ejsejs_ | /dev/sda4 /media/windows ntfs auto,user,exec,rw,sync 0 0 |
| 07:58.50 | wols_ | sorry. didn't read the 2nd line. mea culpa |
| 07:58.57 | ejsejs_ | That line doesn't mount the filesystem |
| 07:58.58 | jelly-home | wols_: uswsusp hibernation doesn't work at all, for example |
| 07:59.12 | wols_ | jelly-home: not in debian anymore :) |
| 07:59.13 | ejsejs_ | (I created a windows partition in /media/) |
| 07:59.27 | jelly-home | wols_: what's not in debian |
| 07:59.33 | wols_ | %uswsusp |
| 07:59.33 | dselect | Squeeze users: remove the uswsusp package and use pm-hibernate/pm-suspend from the pm-utils package instead. In lenny, uswsusp was a package for userspace software <suspend>, including the s2ram and s2disk programs. Use of <initramfs> is required. Not available for Squeeze due to Debian bugs #498917, #503337, #521147, #528483. http://suspend.sf.net/ |
| 07:59.46 | jelly-home | wols_: not in squeeze. |
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| 08:05.58 | ugly_duck | with a vpn, i take it there are different methods, i'd like the choice to login to the vpn not have it setup all the time like a tunnel is this an option |
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| 08:12.40 | Pegasus_RPG | Hi again. How can I have BIND start before NFS does? |
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| 08:13.21 | ugly_duck | just talk to it nicely |
| 08:13.27 | ugly_duck | :) just kidding |
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| 08:15.41 | Pegasus_RPG | crap, a bigger problem is that the bonded network interface doesn't start up correctly. I have to manually do ifdown bond0 && ifup bond0 as root in order for the server to get communication. (I filed a bug on this awhile ago.) |
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| 08:18.33 | jelly-home | Pegasus_RPG: bringing the physical interfaces up first, and waiting a bit for the links to actually come up before bringing up bonding iface, might help |
| 08:19.08 | Pegasus_RPG | on some of my servers (some with the exact same hardware config,) it works fine |
| 08:19.27 | Pegasus_RPG | but that's an interesting idea. How can I introduce such a delay in the boot process, jelly-home ? |
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| 08:20.20 | Pegasus_RPG | as it stands now, I don't bring up the physical ones in /etc/network/interfaces myself. |
| 08:20.39 | Pegasus_RPG | they're just listed as slaves under the bond0 one, so ifenslave takes care of the physical ones from the start |
| 08:20.41 | jelly-home | Pegasus_RPG: use pre-up lines in iface definitions in /etc/network/interfaces, something like a pre-up ifconfig eth0 up && ifconfig eth1 up && sleep 10 |
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| 08:20.49 | jelly-home | yeah that's not good enough |
| 08:21.24 | jelly-home | those ifconfig commands might need fixing |
| 08:21.40 | Pegasus_RPG | Won't manually bringing up the physical interfaces cause them to get DHCP addresses then? |
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| 08:21.45 | jelly-home | no |
| 08:22.04 | jelly-home | that only happens if a dhcp client is running |
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| 08:24.56 | Pegasus_RPG | But I have no definitions for the physical interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces. The only reference to them is the slaves line under bond0 |
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| 08:25.03 | Pegasus_RPG | so ifup/down doesn't work |
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| 08:25.54 | Pegasus_RPG | oh wait you said ifconfig <int> up/down |
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| 08:26.06 | Pegasus_RPG | hmm that seems to work, thakns |
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| 08:33.20 | jelly-home | you'll need to reboot to see if it really worked |
| 08:34.41 | Pegasus_RPG | yeah, testing that now |
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| 08:38.22 | Pegasus_RPG | yep it did work. That you very much, jelly-home ! |
| 08:38.29 | Pegasus_RPG | thanks too |
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| 08:43.18 | romgo | Hi, I would like to create my own deb repository anyone have an up to date documentation ? |
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| 08:49.12 | zxd | does anyone know an alternative of rsync for creating a delta diff file out of two files --only-write-batch= ... ? |
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| 08:56.23 | cryptw | i got unable to open '/etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/samba.dpkg-new': No such file or directory while upgrading samba |
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| 08:56.31 | n-iCe | hi |
| 08:56.47 | n-iCe | i a in problems i just installed debian testing i dont have x and no internet |
| 08:56.55 | cryptw | and even if i manually create that file it doesn't work |
| 08:57.32 | n-iCe | i did iwconfig wlan1 up and now appear i configurated manually my cobbection adding essid and key now appears in iwconfig but is like not recieving internet any idea? Pklssss |
| 08:57.56 | n-iCe | Iwconfig even show the ap quality etc |
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| 08:58.05 | n-iCe | But a ping google doesnt work |
| 08:58.16 | n-iCe | please i am in my phone i really need this |
| 08:58.27 | cryptw | what encryption |
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| 09:01.06 | ksk | hi |
| 09:01.28 | Pegasus_RPG | How does $local_fs in an init.d script know which lines in /etc/fstab are local file systems? |
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| 09:01.34 | ksk | id like to install debian from an usb-stick. can i just dd the iso to a stick (like you dan do with grml.iso)? |
| 09:01.40 | Pegasus_RPG | it seems to be mounting a remote one when it should only be doing local ones |
| 09:01.47 | ksk | s/dan/can/ |
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| 09:03.19 | Pegasus_RPG | ksk: I think so, so long as your BIOS allows booting from a USB stick. |
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| 09:03.48 | Pegasus_RPG | ksk: but you might need to format the stick in a special way to get it to boot. |
| 09:04.45 | Pegasus_RPG | cryptw: try using /etc/dhcp/ instead of /etc/dhcp3/ |
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| 09:07.59 | jelly | ksk: yes, debian uses hybrid images from 6.0 onwards |
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| 09:09.50 | Efazati | how i can add deb file to my local repo or in other hand how i can create custom repo from some stable repo and some deb packages ? |
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| 09:12.42 | n-ice | GOD thanks, I made it! I could connect debian to the internet |
| 09:13.34 | n-ice | Now, let me explain myself again, hello all, firstable I am back in Debian from long time ago, the problem is this one, I downloaded and installed debian 32bits testing, all the installation went alright, but after booting on the system X was not loaded |
| 09:13.36 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: I usually use wicd |
| 09:13.41 | n-ice | any idea why? where can I find it out? |
| 09:13.51 | n-ice | Pegasus_RPG: would love, but no X, don't know why! I am on console |
| 09:14.05 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: oh, first you'll need X. you can try apt-get install kde |
| 09:14.08 | Pegasus_RPG | or kde-minimal |
| 09:14.14 | n-ice | wait wait |
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| 09:14.25 | n-ice | are you telling me debian does not come with a desktop anymore? |
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| 09:14.38 | Pegasus_RPG | it does, but you had to select it in the install process |
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| 09:14.45 | n-ice | it did not ask me to |
| 09:14.52 | n-ice | how do I know if I selected one? where can I check it out? |
| 09:15.41 | skilz | how do I move the warf in afterstep to the bottom left of my screen? |
| 09:16.12 | ksk | jelly: thx |
| 09:16.33 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: try running tasksel as root |
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| 09:18.04 | n-ice | Pegasus_RPG: selected desktop environment and laptop, is it ok? |
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| 09:19.04 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: it's up to you. Desktop env will install Gnome. If you want KDE, don't select that and install it manually |
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| 09:19.29 | n-ice | I want gnome |
| 09:19.37 | n-ice | the thing is, what's the difference selecting laptop or not |
| 09:19.38 | Pegasus_RPG | ok then your selections should get you set up |
| 09:19.55 | Pegasus_RPG | I think that's stuff like the battery meter tools, powernow, cpufreq, etc. |
| 09:20.03 | n-ice | great |
| 09:20.14 | n-ice | you were really helpful |
| 09:20.22 | n-ice | tasksel will remember that |
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| 09:20.37 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm surprised you didn't get that on intial install |
| 09:20.40 | n-ice | now... it says will take some time to install it is downloading from the internet, do I have all this in the CD? to make the things faster? |
| 09:21.10 | Pegasus_RPG | check /etc/apt/sources.list. If the CD is listed there, it will use it as much as it can (unless newer stuff is on the net) |
| 09:21.12 | n-ice | yeah I did not get maybe a bug in the last iso released |
| 09:21.31 | n-ice | yeah I commented the cd line, maybe thats why, let me try |
| 09:21.39 | Pegasus_RPG | I know there ahve been alot of packages with security updates |
| 09:22.11 | Pegasus_RPG | ok then, quit tasksel (ctrl-c), uncomment the CD line, insert the CD, run apt-get update, then run tasksel again |
| 09:22.38 | n-ice | thanks |
| 09:22.39 | n-ice | brb |
| 09:23.08 | Pegasus_RPG | no problem |
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| 09:27.07 | Pegasus_RPG | jelly-home: hrm, that sleep thing appeared to fix the problem, but sometimes I still get either no connectivity, or flaky connectivity on boot until I manually do ifdown bond0 && ifup bond0 again |
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| 09:27.44 | pishi_naznazi136 | I have a powerful PC. I want to connect 2 monitors and 2 mouses and keyboards to it so it is possible that two users use this computer at the same time. I mean running X two times and each time for one user. is it possible? and if it is, how? |
| 09:27.52 | Pegasus_RPG | I hate to hack that into the startup scripts |
| 09:27.53 | jelly | Pegasus_RPG: are you also using .1q VLANs on top of that bond0? |
| 09:27.57 | Spida | are there known problems for linux-image-2.6.32-5? since the update, my systems (amd64 and 686) feel slow on large i/o's on crypted disks (on single and multicore) |
| 09:27.58 | Pegasus_RPG | jelly: no |
| 09:28.27 | jelly | Pegasus_RPG: dunno then, a sleep in post-up would have helped there |
| 09:28.58 | Pegasus_RPG | pishi_naznazi136: I think that's possible but I don't know how to address the extra keyboard & mouse in Xorg.conf |
| 09:29.15 | somiaj | pishi_naznazi136: you can define multiple serverlayouts in your xorg.conf file, and set up so each server layout uses a differen't keyboard/mouse/monintor |
| 09:29.37 | Pegasus_RPG | jelly: and if I just put that ifdown/up sequence in post-up, that'll give me an endless loop, right? |
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| 09:30.03 | jelly | Pegasus_RPG: I'm afraid you can't do that |
| 09:30.11 | pishi_naznazi136 | somiaj: is there any Manuel,Wiki or somethin similar for doing such this work? thank u |
| 09:30.27 | jelly | Pegasus_RPG: ifup/ifdown uses locks |
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| 09:30.55 | Pegasus_RPG | jelly: well, I guess all I can do then is create a startup script that depends on networking |
| 09:30.59 | jelly | %rc.local |
| 09:31.00 | dselect | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 09:31.00 | Pegasus_RPG | until the bug is fixed |
| 09:31.07 | somiaj | pishi_naznazi136: I am unsure if there is some catch, I think each instance of xorg has to run on its own tty, and you can't see multiple tty's at once...but look around with google |
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| 09:31.29 | n-ice | damn |
| 09:31.34 | n-ice | we have a problem |
| 09:31.43 | jelly | Pegasus_RPG: ^^ or put it there |
| 09:32.00 | n-ice | I don't have the CD since I used a usb with netbootin to install it Pegasus_RPG |
| 09:32.05 | Pegasus_RPG | %init.d |
| 09:32.05 | dselect | /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>. |
| 09:32.21 | jelly | Pegasus_RPG: and make sure rc.local init script is enabled |
| 09:32.37 | n-ice | how could I change the CD path to use the USB path in that sources.list thingie |
| 09:32.39 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: that's not a problem. Just install everythign from the net. Comment out the CD line, make sure you have a good mirror line in there, and install away |
| 09:32.56 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: just mount the USB stick somwhere and use that path |
| 09:33.11 | n-ice | uhm |
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| 09:33.31 | n-ice | but how will debian(sources.list) know to use the mount usb instead the CD drive path |
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| 09:33.45 | wnight | Is there a way to fix a corrupted installed package (/usr/lib/foo is truncated), or better, scan for broken packages? |
| 09:33.49 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: you'll just use it for this install. Normally you want it to get stuff off the net |
| 09:34.10 | n-ice | Pegasus_RPG: yes yes I know, but, I plug the usb and mount it, correct? then what? |
| 09:34.39 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: then edit the sources.list line to use the path to yur USb stick instead of the CD |
| 09:34.47 | n-ice | EXACTLY |
| 09:35.00 | n-ice | where does the path thing goes? :D |
| 09:35.12 | Pegasus_RPG | what does that line look like now? |
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| 09:35.47 | BrixSat | hello |
| 09:36.01 | BrixSat | on debian squeeze how do i share a folder on the network? |
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| 09:36.44 | gnarface | BrixSat: however you want. but if you meant "with windows desktops" you should probably be googling some samba howtos now |
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| 09:37.12 | BrixSat | gnarface: on ubuntu i had on the folder a option called share this folder, but on here i dont |
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| 09:37.25 | BrixSat | i meant a simple way to do it not using samba and all that stuff |
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| 09:37.27 | Pegasus_RPG | BrixSat: what window manager? |
| 09:37.32 | gnarface | BrixSat: that was probably a window manager based shortcut to samba |
| 09:37.34 | BrixSat | Pegasus_RPG: gnome3 |
| 09:37.39 | Pegasus_RPG | BrixSat: and samba is required to share with Windows desktop |
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| 09:38.03 | n-ice | Pegasus_RPG: wait I am trying to mount the usb, how can I know where in dev is the usb? |
| 09:38.19 | Pegasus_RPG | BrixSat: google for gnome samba share manager or similar. I'm not familiar with Gnome tools. (I use KDE) |
| 09:38.23 | gnarface | n-ice: dmesg should tell you when you plug it in |
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| 09:38.33 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: /dev/disks/by-* |
| 09:38.38 | Pegasus_RPG | or that |
| 09:38.41 | BrixSat | Pegasus_RPG: ok if that is the only way :) |
| 09:39.13 | Pegasus_RPG | BrixSat: once you find a suitable front-end package, installing it should install samba and everything else automatically |
| 09:39.18 | gnarface | BrixSat: not the only way... but you owe it to yourself to learn the RIGHT way |
| 09:39.21 | n-ice | Pegasus_RPG: says I need to write fylesystem type |
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| 09:39.49 | makimilio | ciao |
| 09:39.53 | makimilio | !list |
| 09:40.02 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: you might need to google mount usb stick debian I haven't done it in a loooong time. (I use PXE to install my machines :) ) |
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| 09:40.29 | n-ice | if I had X I would :p |
| 09:40.33 | n-ice | damn |
| 09:40.37 | Pegasus_RPG | install w3m :) |
| 09:40.43 | Pegasus_RPG | or lynx |
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| 09:40.52 | thinksteve | n-ice: There's still elinks and screen. |
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| 09:40.57 | n-ice | ok ok |
| 09:40.58 | gnarface | n-ice: you said squeeze? just run dmesg right after you plug in the usb key. you don't need a freaking WM |
| 09:41.01 | Pegasus_RPG | oh yeah elinks is cool |
| 09:41.09 | gnarface | n-ice: if you only have one drive its probably /dev/sdb |
| 09:41.14 | n-ice | gnarface: i think is sdc |
| 09:41.33 | gnarface | n-ice: if you have a harddrive and an optical drive, then /dev/sdc is likely |
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| 09:41.45 | n-ice | gnarface: how to mount it? sorry |
| 09:41.51 | n-ice | I created a directory |
| 09:41.59 | gnarface | n-ice: either way dmesg should tell you ... whatever it says, mount [dev node] [target driectory] |
| 09:42.03 | n-ice | then mount /dev/sdc/ /directory/ |
| 09:42.24 | n-ice | yeah, but asks me to specify the fyle system type |
| 09:42.25 | jackweb | Where are stored apps run at startup in GNOME (gnome-session-properties)? |
| 09:42.25 | n-ice | o.O |
| 09:42.28 | gnarface | n-ice: if it says "you must specify a filesystem type" or some such shit that means you don't have the right filesystem drivers loaded. it should have autotdetected |
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| 09:43.11 | gnarface | n-ice: commonly for usb keys and other non-linux volumes you will want to make sure the following modules loaded: udf, vfat, msdos, fat |
| 09:43.20 | thinksteve | Or you filesystem on that device is slightly broken. |
| 09:43.23 | thinksteve | +r |
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| 09:43.44 | gnarface | thinksteve: yes true but thats probably not his issue. 99% of the time its just that vfat isn't loaded |
| 09:43.49 | n-ice | OK i got it! |
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| 09:43.54 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: but if you only have a base install, you might not have some of those fs types, so you might need to at least install those from the net. BTW, how big was the USB image you downloaded? |
| 09:43.58 | gnarface | n-ice: hoooraaay! |
| 09:44.10 | n-ice | now, how do I edit the sources.list cd line to use the USB instead the CD |
| 09:44.18 | lazka | What does "pn" for a package status stand for? |
| 09:44.41 | gnarface | n-ice: are you sure that is really what you want? most prefer to use a network source because its always up-to-date |
| 09:45.37 | gnarface | n-ice: in fact i would go so far as to strongly advise you NOT use a cdrom or usb source in your sources.list unless this is for a system that will never be network accessible |
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| 09:46.08 | blue_sky | is sneakernet a network? |
| 09:46.12 | n-ice | I just made it work |
| 09:46.14 | n-ice | :> |
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| 09:46.20 | gnarface | hah |
| 09:46.33 | gnarface | blue_sky: lol |
| 09:46.36 | n-ice | the thing is gnarface there is a problem with my alfa AWUS036H card drive I am sure |
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| 09:47.01 | n-ice | because is not using his best performance the download is about 100kb/s when I should be downloading like 500kb/s |
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| 09:47.37 | n-ice | bit rate and tx-power are really low |
| 09:47.39 | gnarface | n-ice: sounds like a remote problem, not a local one. i wouldn't sweat it honestly. |
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| 09:48.16 | n-ice | indeed I could not connect over the internet at the begining because it was set in 54M in the bit rate, needed to changed it to 5.5M to make my internet connection work, no idea what's going on |
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| 09:48.51 | Pegasus_RPG | n-ice: that sounds like you might be too far from the access point or the frequency is crowded |
| 09:49.02 | gnarface | n-ice: just don't forget that its entirely possible to have MORE local bandwith throughput capability than the remote server will allow you to suck down |
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| 09:49.48 | Pegasus_RPG | that's also true, but you would do well to try to fix your local wireless issues first |
| 09:49.51 | Pegasus_RPG | or go wired for an install |
| 09:50.50 | cryptw | [7/7 19:04:44] <Pegasus_RPG> cryptw: try using /etc/dhcp/ instead of /etc/dhcp3/ |
| 09:50.52 | cryptw | i found the problem |
| 09:50.57 | n-ice | no no I am the only one using this router and I am in the same machine at the same position as always, I am sure is the driver |
| 09:50.59 | cryptw | i had dhcp symlinked to dhcp3 |
| 09:51.59 | n-ice | anyway I am doing the network installtion gnarface has reason, the network thing is always up to date |
| 09:52.15 | n-ice | I will just wait 50m |
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| 09:52.35 | cryptw | and samba actually created something in /etc/dhcp3 then deleted that same file from /etc/dhcp and tried to symlink it afterward |
| 09:52.53 | n-ice | 4:52 am So I will just leave the pc downloading... |
| 09:53.03 | n-ice | need to reast at least 5 hours |
| 09:53.05 | n-ice | power naaap! :D |
| 09:53.24 | n-ice | thank you very much guys, and I will be around now :) so welcome me |
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| 09:53.40 | n-ice | something I noticed, Debian does not come with the sources.lists |
| 09:53.42 | n-ice | why is that |
| 09:53.54 | n-ice | I needed to write few to install irssi |
| 09:53.56 | nevyn | man apt-setup |
| 09:54.04 | Pegasus_RPG | sounds like your installer was buggy or something |
| 09:54.13 | n-ice | oh |
| 09:54.14 | n-ice | :< |
| 09:54.25 | n-ice | how do I install them, something like tasksel |
| 09:54.25 | n-ice | :p |
| 09:54.45 | Pegasus_RPG | You don't need to use a nightly installer build to install testing you know |
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| 09:55.16 | n-ice | what do you mean? |
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| 09:55.38 | Pegasus_RPG | if you want to install the Testing release, you can use a stable version of the "testing" debian installer |
| 09:55.41 | Pegasus_RPG | (it's confusing) |
| 09:55.54 | n-ice | uhm I am sure I did that |
| 09:55.58 | Pegasus_RPG | oh ok then |
| 09:56.21 | Pegasus_RPG | I have no idea then why your installation aborted without giving you the task list or a sources.list |
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| 09:56.57 | Pegasus_RPG | (If you want brownie points, try installing again and report a bug if you can reproduce the issue) |
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| 09:57.07 | n-ice | I mean I went to debian.com, get debian, then http for testing, i386, and downloaded the first .iso cd1 653MB i think, don't remember that well, I did well right? |
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| 09:57.37 | ompaul | n-ice: why do you need to use testing? |
| 09:58.14 | n-iCe | Well |
| 09:58.18 | n-iCe | Don't know, why not? |
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| 09:59.11 | ompaul | well your question indicates you don't "know debian very well" so I'd be inclined to say use stable and get used to how debian works rather than use something which will most likely break now and again |
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| 09:59.46 | n-iCe | Pegasus_RPG: you know, now I think, there was a part when it asked me to configurate the network and I clicked cancel, and clicked go back or something, could be that? |
| 09:59.55 | n-iCe | ompaul: well I am not in unstable :p but yeah, thanks |
| 10:00.05 | Pegasus_RPG | n-iCe: yes that'll do it |
| 10:00.15 | n-iCe | Pegasus_RPG: sh*t |
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| 10:00.25 | n-iCe | then I will re-install the whole sh*t |
| 10:00.30 | Pegasus_RPG | so if I were you, I'd reinstall |
| 10:00.33 | n-iCe | will do it in few hours |
| 10:00.35 | n-iCe | THANKS |
| 10:00.35 | n-iCe | :d |
| 10:00.38 | Pegasus_RPG | no problem |
| 10:00.40 | n-iCe | :D hugs guys, laters! |
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| 10:01.05 | pishi_naznazi136 | I found somethin here: http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO but it seems that this article is old, cuz it talks about gdm2.3 and squeeze brings gdm3, as it says we must make changes in gdm.conf, but there is no gdm.conf in /etc/gdm anymore. I also searched for multiseat debian squeeze, but everythin I got was non-eng. may anybody help me? :'( |
| 10:01.29 | pishi_naznazi136 | I mean anyone |
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| 10:06.45 | Pegasus_RPG | pishi_naznazi136: have you tried the xorg.conf modifications? I think just doing that is all you'll need |
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| 10:08.18 | jeybop | hi |
| 10:08.27 | pishi_naznazi136 | Pegasus_RPG: well i'm not a geek, but all i need is a manual. how much i search for that, i can't find somethin useful, cuz all of them are old |
| 10:08.48 | skilz | how do I move the warf in afterstep to the bottom left of my screen? |
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| 10:09.17 | skilz | I've looked through the wharf config file in /usr/share/afterstep but nothing about position.... |
| 10:09.23 | jeybop | is there an existing script allowing to choose a given kernel version by default just for the next reboot, and then reset the default order? |
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| 10:10.28 | Pegasus_RPG | pishi_naznazi136: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX |
| 10:10.54 | Pegasus_RPG | jeybop: I think kexec does that |
| 10:11.08 | pishi_naznazi136 | Pegasus_RPG: thank you :) . im going to read this |
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| 10:14.31 | Pegasus_RPG | pishi_naznazi136: also look at http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Multiseat sounds like a can of worms if you don't have the right hardware. You might also consider doing VNC and having the second user use a dumb terminal |
| 10:14.42 | Pegasus_RPG | dumb graphics terminal that is |
| 10:15.14 | pishi_naznazi136 | Pegasus_RPG: ok, :D |
| 10:16.16 | jeybop | Pegasus_RPG, great tool. I also found grub-reboot, but kexec feets so much what I need. Thanks |
| 10:16.54 | Pegasus_RPG | np |
| 10:17.00 | Pegasus_RPG | pishi_naznazi136: there's also this: http://www2.userful.com/products/downloads/free-2-user |
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| 10:18.18 | Wuolfit | ciao a tutti |
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| 10:18.54 | Wuolfit | per caso sapete indicarmi un canale per chi programma in dot.net o dot.not che dir si voglia? |
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| 10:19.16 | Azurus | Hey everyone |
| 10:19.45 | Azurus | Anyone here able to help me out with a new Debian install? I'm new to it and more used to Ubuntu here. |
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| 10:24.54 | tvm | just follow the instructions, there's also a guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 10:28.17 | mark76 | I think xulrunner was making my desktop crash and freeze |
| 10:28.54 | Feadurn | hi everyone |
| 10:29.02 | Feadurn | i'have a problem with parted on my server |
| 10:29.26 | Feadurn | I have to modify the size of two partition (in ext3), so shrinking one and resize the other |
| 10:29.50 | Feadurn | i tried with parted it gave me and error message : Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. Compatible features are |
| 10:29.50 | Feadurn | has_journal, dir_index, filetype, sparse_super and large_file. Use tune2fs or |
| 10:29.50 | Feadurn | debugfs to remove features. |
| 10:30.04 | Feadurn | so i transform my partition in ext2 |
| 10:30.11 | Feadurn | but i still have the same error message |
| 10:30.23 | Feadurn | and I cannot find the solution on the web |
| 10:30.26 | Azurus | tvm: Looking into it, but what it doesnt have on there is what I find in the Ubuntu menu called Hardware Drivers menu option. I need to find it on the software center |
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| 10:30.43 | Feadurn | is it possible is due to the fact it is a huge partition (around 900GB) ? |
| 10:31.04 | Feadurn | (sorry for my bad english) |
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| 10:33.54 | tvm | azurus: use tune2fs -l /dev/<drive> to check if the features mentioned above aren't enabled |
| 10:34.00 | tvm | azurus: and if they are, disable them |
| 10:34.16 | tvm | azurus: what are you trying to achieve exactly ? |
| 10:34.18 | tvm | erm. |
| 10:34.42 | tvm | feadurn: the above was for you, instead. |
| 10:34.53 | Feadurn | yes I understood :) |
| 10:34.54 | tvm | is little bit tired already. |
| 10:35.25 | zxd | damn |
| 10:35.26 | Azurus | I am not good at linux here and was shown how well it works through Ubuntu, but now that I am trying out Debian, there are some things missing that Ubuntu has. |
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| 10:36.03 | tvm | azurus: things like ? |
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| 10:36.10 | ArdRigh | anyone have any good links on how to setup Postfix to use a Postgresql database for users etc? |
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| 10:36.35 | Azurus | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/debian-drivers-705425/ Where he says : "Before I had Ubuntu and there was something with "Hardware Drivers", where I just had to put the checkmark and reboot, but in Debian it is obviously more technical." |
| 10:36.43 | Azurus | Thats basicly my question here. |
| 10:37.01 | Azurus | And I would like to use Firefox and Thunderbird on here asw ell. |
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| 10:37.36 | nevyn | Azurus: so we don't do firefox. the project burned debian so debian has iceweasel and iceape |
| 10:37.51 | Feadurn | tvm here the output http://pastebin.com/mEB2LGWN |
| 10:38.02 | Azurus | I use the Sync option in firefox |
| 10:38.39 | Azurus | So firefox is a must or Debian is a waste of my time at this point. |
| 10:38.56 | Azurus | My friend who sudgested me to use it has Firefox on his machine |
| 10:39.04 | Azurus | So its possible |
| 10:39.11 | Feadurn | so apparently all the features unsupported are activated? |
| 10:39.16 | tvm | feadurn: i see two incompatible features. |
| 10:39.36 | tvm | feadurn: ext_attr and resize_inode |
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| 10:40.01 | Feadurn | ok, I guess it is possible to disabled them. |
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| 10:40.18 | Feadurn | will it be possible to re-active them later? (and are they important?) |
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| 10:41.15 | tvm | feadurn: i don't know *how* important they are, tune2fs -o can probably disable/enable them, check the manpage |
| 10:41.24 | Feadurn | ok |
| 10:42.58 | tvm | azurus: well, you install propertiary drivers just like in any other distribution, you just use other tool, namely apt-get in this case. |
| 10:43.03 | pishi_naznazi136 | Pegasus_RPG: dear friend, i've read lots of them and they i must change xorg.conf which is not available anymore. also mdm works under lenny and ubuntu 8.04 . Do u have any other ideas? :'( |
| 10:43.16 | pishi_naznazi136 | Pegasus_RPG: im sorry for anoying |
| 10:43.36 | thewanderer1 | Azurus: does Iceweasel lack the synchronisation option that you need from Firefox? |
| 10:43.45 | Azurus | I have an nvidia card here and the cd for it, but the installer is windows based, so it wont work on here |
| 10:44.09 | Azurus | thewanderer1: Yes it does lack it. |
| 10:44.27 | tvm | azurus: yes, you need to install linux driver, using apt-get ( or some apt-get frontend ) |
| 10:44.32 | ArdRigh | Better question; Isn't there a page to look at to see what's different between Iceweasel and Firefox? |
| 10:45.00 | Azurus | tvm: I am not a linux wiz here to know all the steps by memory here. |
| 10:45.13 | thewanderer1 | Azurus: there is an add-on for Firefox that you can install - you shoud check, it's probably compatible with Iceweasel as well. |
| 10:45.29 | tvm | azurus: of course, that's why i'm telling you what tool in debian is used to install packages. |
| 10:45.40 | tvm | azurus: as the driver for your Nvidia card is a package. |
| 10:47.15 | Azurus | Reason I went to Debian was that I was told it was going to have much more support for it than Ubuntu would |
| 10:47.54 | Feadurn | tvm ok i checked the man and also google, but it is too much complicated for me to understand. But resize_inode can be desactivated but not reactivated, and the man page of tune2fs doesn't give any information about ext_attr |
| 10:48.19 | tvm | feadurn: so i can only recommend more googling :( |
| 10:48.32 | thewanderer1 | Azurus: ok, what card model is that? |
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| 10:49.07 | Azurus | GeForce GT 430 |
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| 10:50.50 | Feadurn | tvm ok, another day on google to try to resolve this problem :). Thank you for your help, i maybe come later to ask other questions if i found other solutions |
| 10:51.06 | thewanderer1 | Azurus: you'll need to install the NVIDIA driver package if you want full 3D support. what's the output of `uname -m`? |
| 10:51.32 | Azurus | I don't know what you mean by that last part |
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| 10:51.50 | Azurus | If its a terminal command, I have no clue how to use terminal. |
| 10:51.55 | thewanderer1 | Azurus: you're meant to execute command "uname -m" in the terminal and paste the output |
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| 10:52.03 | Azurus | Like I said, I started by using Ubuntu |
| 10:52.55 | Azurus | There was no output |
| 10:53.08 | thewanderer1 | Azurus: okay, the command is supposed to determine what arch of Debian you're running - amd64 or i386. you can as well tell that if running the command poses a problem. |
| 10:53.23 | Azurus | All it really gave me was what speed my processor can run bit wise |
| 10:53.34 | thewanderer1 | hmm, ok... what was it? |
| 10:53.54 | Azurus | x86_64 |
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| 10:54.29 | thewanderer1 | alright, then you need to install packages nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
| 10:55.01 | ArdRigh | surprised debian still calls the packages amd64 |
| 10:55.23 | ArdRigh | people look at and think "Oh but I've got an Intel processor thing...." |
| 10:55.30 | thewanderer1 | it's not gonna stop, the architecture is called amd64 :P |
| 10:55.51 | ArdRigh | thewanderer1: and yet the kernel calls it x86_64 |
| 10:55.53 | ArdRigh | ... |
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| 10:56.34 | thewanderer1 | Azurus: have you configured a root account with a password during the install, or rather made your user take over root's duties? |
| 10:56.36 | Azurus | I am getting the feeling that the reason there are so many distro's of linux is becasue no one who uses it can agree o likes anyone else who uses it... kinda feels like if I say the wrong thing about it Ill end up shanked out in a back ally lol |
| 10:57.14 | Azurus | It had me configure a root account. |
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| 10:57.50 | thewanderer1 | okay, so run "su" in the terminal and you'll log on as root in order to install packages |
| 10:58.16 | Azurus | just type in su? |
| 10:58.22 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 10:58.40 | Azurus | ok |
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| 10:59.56 | thewanderer1 | Azurus: when you've logged on as root, run "apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64" and the drivers should be installed |
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| 11:05.27 | Azurus | Sorry, computer fucking locked up on me for no reason |
| 11:05.56 | Azurus | Really, if this is how debian is going to work on a machine it should have no lag on, Ill go back to Ubuntu |
| 11:06.04 | Azurus | This is fucking rediculus |
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| 11:06.32 | Azurus | And thewanderer1, the thing you told me to type it, it couldnt find anything. |
| 11:07.37 | Feadurn | tvm ok i found an alternative solution by using resize2fs |
| 11:07.49 | Feadurn | tvm many thanks for your help :) |
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| 11:08.17 | thewanderer1 | Azurus: I think you could save yourself much frustration if you weren't trying to force yourself to use Debian if you don't feel like it |
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| 11:08.20 | tvm | feadurn: good :) |
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| 11:10.03 | Azurus | I wasted a few hours having it pull downloads through a satellite net connection to pull the files it needed, and this is what I get? I tryed this because I was told it was going to have longer support than Ubuntu, and that Ubuntu support was going to stop. |
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| 11:14.08 | thewanderer1 | Azurus: Chill down. You have to be patient to get things done. I need to leave now, hopefully someone will take over. Just try not to sound accusative, you're not helping yourself by that, really. |
| 11:14.19 | balleyne | is there any special trick to configuring /etc/mailname? I have it set to foo.mydomain.com, but the postfix $myhostname variable returns foo.localdomain |
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| 11:15.23 | newobjectivec | does anyone know the difference between c++ and visual C++ ? |
| 11:15.35 | ikonia | newobjectivec: you've been told the channels topics |
| 11:15.43 | newobjectivec | God |
| 11:15.47 | newobjectivec | you are here also |
| 11:15.49 | newobjectivec | get lost you idiot |
| 11:15.50 | ikonia | newobjectivec: this channel is for Debian support - in the same way #ubuntu was for Ubuntu support where you have just been banned |
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| 11:15.55 | newobjectivec | stop stalking people |
| 11:15.56 | ikonia | newobjectivec: please try to use the channels topics |
| 11:15.58 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@78-86-145-235.zone2.bethere.co.uk] by abrotman |
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| 11:16.06 | abrotman | newobjectivec: that's enough with the name calling |
| 11:16.14 | abrotman | newobjectivec: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 11:16.16 | jhoc | best way to salvage a dist-upgrade over ssh that disconnected mid-way through? screen was not running |
| 11:16.31 | abrotman | jhoc: try to run it again |
| 11:17.01 | jhoc | says dpkg is locked and still running though i see no other sessions on this box |
| 11:17.32 | abrotman | the lock file is still there? |
| 11:18.15 | balleyne | jhoc: would 'dpkg --configure -a' be a useful command to run? (I'm not sure, but it's helped me before... may want to double-check the command) |
| 11:18.24 | jhoc | yeah lock file is there |
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| 11:21.21 | jhoc | removing the lock file and running 'dpkg --configure -a' seems to have resumed things, thanks |
| 11:23.36 | balleyne | jhoc: also, after resuming dpkg with --configure -a, another good command to know is 'apt-get -f install' which picks up on an interrupted apt-get... I've used those to resume many failed upgrades, both large and small |
| 11:24.20 | jhoc | thanks |
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| 11:29.01 | smoggy | hello. ive got a problem with the flash player. on youtube it works perfectly, but other flash-apps like the one from megavideo doesnt. i search since a week for a solution on google, but with no success |
| 11:30.16 | abrotman | smoggy: is it adobe flash or one of the free ones? |
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| 11:30.40 | smoggy | adobe flash player |
| 11:31.10 | smoggy | should i try another fp? |
| 11:31.31 | abrotman | no, but i would make sure it's up to date .. if you about:plugins, what is the version ? |
| 11:31.59 | smoggy | 10.3 r181 |
| 11:32.04 | abrotman | pretty darn new |
| 11:32.27 | abrotman | iceweasel, or osmething else? |
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| 11:32.47 | introuble | hi, in our college, we have three campuses in three cities. we want to make record available on internet that can be access by any privilaged user. records, tasks, activites. |
| 11:32.48 | introuble | 2. we want to shift to IT based task management sheet from manual one. in which records apear like task given by one emplyee to other, time, warnings given. may be it gets red after three warning, or if task not completed. indexing server to see completed/pending tasks. or all tasks of emply of one month. etc. |
| 11:32.48 | introuble | is there an open source software like that which can suit our requirments. or be customisable? |
| 11:32.51 | smoggy | iceweasel and galeon |
| 11:33.55 | ikonia | introuble: didn't I give you this info in #ubuntu ? |
| 11:34.26 | ikonia | introuble: I suggested looking at trac and sugarCRM as a base and jpds suggested request tracker (RT) |
| 11:34.31 | introuble | yes. but my boss says to find 3 options. and choose one |
| 11:34.32 | vlt | introuble: trac (again) |
| 11:34.51 | vlt | introuble: trac, trac and something else ;-) |
| 11:34.55 | introuble | ikonia vlt ok.. |
| 11:35.01 | introuble | hm. |
| 11:35.09 | smoggy | abrotman: this problem also occurs on my windows-xp system |
| 11:35.15 | introuble | ikonia vlt wont a vpn be better that using apps? |
| 11:35.45 | vlt | introuble: These are two completely different topics. |
| 11:36.06 | introuble | hm |
| 11:36.26 | ikonia | you mentioned nothing about VPN |
| 11:36.36 | introuble | ya.. well iam now |
| 11:36.38 | introuble | :) |
| 11:36.48 | abrotman | smoggy: maybe the website is incompatible with the new version .. try a few other flash sites .. something like the mlb.com stuff or try uhm .. xochitlphilly.com |
| 11:37.12 | vlt | introuble: First you need a tool to do the task. THEN think about how people access it. |
| 11:37.46 | abrotman | so why is introuble asking #debian? |
| 11:38.22 | smoggy | thx for your help, i try some other |
| 11:39.35 | introuble | vlt well we need that to be done on internet |
| 11:40.21 | vlt | introuble: Explain "done on internet", please. |
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| 11:45.00 | smoggy | abrotman: zshare, megavideo wont work, but other will. k, thanks you very much! |
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| 11:46.21 | introuble | vlt well every entry is feeding by a browser maybe, or reports can be see on net |
| 11:46.25 | abrotman | so why is introuble asking #debian? |
| 11:47.02 | introuble | abrotman we need multi platform software. thats why |
| 11:47.16 | abrotman | introuble: is one of those platforms Debian? I'm skeptical |
| 11:47.17 | introuble | if not . for windows is must |
| 11:47.22 | abrotman | this isn't ##windows |
| 11:47.31 | introuble | abrotman yes. ubuntu may be the option |
| 11:47.37 | introuble | ubuntu is debian |
| 11:48.16 | abrotman | no, it's not, please go somewhere else to discuss this |
| 11:48.19 | vlt | introuble: trac runs on Debian and can be used from Debian (and any other OS providinf a web browser). |
| 11:49.01 | introuble | so trac can do all i need ? |
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| 11:49.53 | introuble | vlt ? |
| 11:50.36 | vlt | introuble: In Debian there's trac 0.11 which doesn't support multiple languages yet. If you need this you can easily install trac >= 0.12 on Debian too. Runs fine here. |
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| 11:50.54 | introuble | k |
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| 11:51.17 | vlt | introuble: I can't tell you whether trac does all you need. You might want to use their website and read. |
| 11:51.18 | abrotman | so why is introuble asking #debian? |
| 11:51.37 | introuble | k |
| 11:51.50 | aLgEBrA | why no ? |
| 11:51.57 | introuble | vlt and what about task management and helpdesk type of sofware ? |
| 11:52.38 | abrotman | introuble: please go back to #ubuntu |
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| 11:54.47 | vlt | abrotman: His question isn't Ubuntu related. I think he's looking for an opensource tool to be run on a stable platform. That's why he better asks here in #debian. |
| 11:55.09 | abrotman | he hasn't mentioned running it on Debian, take it elsewhere |
| 11:55.20 | abrotman | if he wants to know about trac, there is ##trac |
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| 11:57.00 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I have a debian server running, I wanted to enable https on it. How do I go about it. I checked out the repository but not able to locate mod-ssl for apache, I should be enabling that right? |
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| 11:57.41 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: it's already installed, you may just have to 'a2enmod ssl' or whatever the module is named |
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| 11:59.05 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, aah thanks :) |
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| 12:01.34 | EugenMayer | did something change with the latest debian lenny sec updates, so samba is kind of not accessable anymore? (5 weeks) |
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| 12:02.21 | abrotman | EugenMayer: was there a samba security update? |
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| 12:07.34 | blue_sky | EugenMayer: Last security DSA for samba was in Feb. I believe there was a change to default samba settings between lenny & squeeze (BICBW) |
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| 12:16.18 | EugenMayer | blue_sky: can you remember what it was about? |
| 12:16.33 | EugenMayer | iam failing to connect to all my smb servers and iam really helpless |
| 12:16.42 | EugenMayer | iam using different servers, different clients - same issue |
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| 12:19.15 | abrotman | EugenMayer: you can't connect at all ? the samba error logs .. might .. be helpful |
| 12:20.42 | EugenMayer | abrotman: well loglevel 10 |
| 12:21.00 | EugenMayer | nothing. For me it looks like a FW issue, but not on all different servers.. |
| 12:21.12 | EugenMayer | must be blind |
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| 12:22.59 | WormFood | why is the user limit set to be so low in this channel right now? (low in comparison to the number of users in the channel) |
| 12:23.41 | EugenMayer | abrotman: FW is off / hosts.allow empty: http://pastebin.com/tvswFfxL |
| 12:24.01 | EugenMayer | abrotman: but it still seems to be a "network" timeout. i can reach port 80 though |
| 12:24.08 | abrotman | WormFood: debhelper disappeared |
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| 12:24.25 | abrotman | EugenMayer: via IP or netbios name? |
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| 12:24.51 | EugenMayer | abrotman: IP |
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| 12:25.07 | EugenMayer | abrotman: a super simple smb server, one share. |
| 12:25.17 | abrotman | EugenMayer: can you get to port 80 by netbios name/ |
| 12:25.19 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:25.25 | mads- | Hi again. I was here yesterday talking about some problems I have with some zip files. I have a possible solution now - could anyone tell me if it's possible to extract a zip file one file at a time? |
| 12:25.25 | EugenMayer | abrotman: it has been working, so its just a new issue |
| 12:25.36 | EugenMayer | abrotman: iam not using netbios at all right now |
| 12:25.52 | abrotman | mads-: did you look at man unzip ? |
| 12:26.51 | WormFood | ah, that makes sense. I was looking for the bot. That is what I was suspecting. |
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| 12:28.41 | EugenMayer | abrotman: i disabled any wins support, all those smb servers are no domain masters and all this. |
| 12:28.46 | blue_sky | EugenMayer: the DSA for samba can be found at: http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2175 |
| 12:28.54 | ekscrypto_ | mads-: yes it is possible, although you would probably have to first list the files, then either extract them manually or use a script to pick one file at a time |
| 12:29.16 | EugenMayer | blue_sky: thank you very much! |
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| 12:33.23 | mads- | ekscrypto, thanks - I'll look at it. Just needed to know :) |
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| 12:46.34 | klur | how does a sources.list for a wheezy system look like? I have changed it for an upgrade from squeeze and, apparently, it does not like some of the lines |
| 12:47.25 | abrotman | klur: show us yours, we'll tell you what to fix |
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| 13:00.12 | klur | http://paste.debian.net/122206/ |
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| 13:07.34 | totte | I'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups but don't get it. Each user is a part of a group named after the user, like user "Joe", group "Joe". Why is this better than user "Joe" being part of the group "users"? |
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| 13:08.08 | totte | They can still chmod a directory to share it with the whole group, no? |
| 13:08.34 | MrFrood | totte: privacy on multi-user systems |
| 13:08.40 | jeybop | I am compiling the 2.6.27 kernel, and I would use all my cores (32): export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=32 && fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=nexttouch.1.0 kernel_image |
| 13:09.08 | jeybop | I get errors like "wait: No child processes. Stop." over and over |
| 13:09.44 | jeybop | was the 2.6.27 build system not strong enough to support such parallel build? |
| 13:09.52 | klur | jeybop, why are you compiling such an old kernel? |
| 13:09.56 | MrFrood | totte: one *nix system I connect to has many thousends of users, if all my files were part of the user group I would be sharing with a lot of people I do not know |
| 13:09.58 | totte | MrFrood: Wouldn't setting permissions for each user home directory to only be read etc. by the user suffice? |
| 13:10.32 | MrFrood | totte: and what group would the directory belong to? |
| 13:10.35 | jeybop | I am applying a patch on it, this patch only work with this kernel |
| 13:10.47 | jeybop | klur, I am applying a patch on it, this patch only work with this kernel |
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| 13:11.50 | totte | MrFrood: Does it have to belong to a group, not a user? |
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| 13:12.29 | MrFrood | totte: user & group |
| 13:12.58 | krion | yo |
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| 13:13.07 | MrFrood | totte: *nix was designed from the start to be multi-user |
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| 13:13.28 | totte | MrFrood: So every file and directory MUST belong to BOTH a user and a group? |
| 13:13.56 | MrFrood | totte: the permissions system is actually one of it's great strengths |
| 13:14.23 | MrFrood | totte: yes (even if that group is "nobody") |
| 13:14.38 | totte | MrFrood: Ohh then I get it, thanks. :) |
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| 13:15.01 | MrFrood | np |
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| 13:19.55 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 13:27.17 | EugenMayer_desk | abrotman: i can connect using smbclient on the server itself, but now from the client. Any suggestion? |
| 13:27.25 | barf | Is it possible to install debian with X on a 980MB drive? |
| 13:27.42 | EugenMayer_desk | abrotman: Connection to backup.XXXXX failed (Error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL |
| 13:28.00 | EugenMayer_desk | barf: sure, use the netinstall |
| 13:28.12 | jordanm | barf: probably if you don't use the xorg metapackage |
| 13:28.12 | abrotman | barf: i'd be skeptical, but it's worth a shot |
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| 13:28.12 | EugenMayer_desk | AFAIK it should fit on ~400/500MB |
| 13:28.18 | barf | The system in question is a Samsung SyncMaster 400PXn |
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| 13:28.39 | barf | MB: Siemens Futro S400 |
| 13:28.51 | EugenMayer_desk | barf: we had a debian in size of ~700MB with apache / perl and stuff for Foswiki/TWiki |
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| 13:29.28 | barf | This is for a 12 year old that would like to start using linux, the internal disk is 1 GB SSD |
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| 13:29.40 | barf | There is 1 TB external USB however. |
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| 13:30.42 | barf | But I figured I should be able to use the SSD for system, and the external USB for data |
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| 13:31.06 | barf | He would like to use FF and pencil animation, perhaps also gimp |
| 13:31.23 | colo-work | can anyone tell me what I've got to type in that frickin input field up on http://backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ to get _ANY_ result? |
| 13:31.38 | colo-work | I'd just like to know what kernel images are provided in squeeze-backports. no dice. |
| 13:31.53 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 13:31.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (3.0.0~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 13:32.09 | colo-work | ah there we got. thanks. |
| 13:32.13 | colo-work | we go* |
| 13:32.38 | stew | colo-work: "linux-2.6" and click the "source package" button |
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| 13:32.42 | stew | colo-work: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-2.6&searchon=sourcenames§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports |
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| 13:33.01 | colo-work | thanks! |
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| 13:33.26 | barf | And what is the minimum debian install I can do? I need sshd, vim, ipv4 w/working NIC and apt |
| 13:33.28 | stew | colo-work: or http://packages.qa.debian.org/linux-2.6 |
| 13:33.58 | barf | and dependcies met recursively |
| 13:34.30 | entel | hi, i run startx and xorg starts up into the gnome desktop but most of the screen is cropped (black), can post my xorg log if anyone thinks they could help |
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| 13:35.07 | stew | barf: at the end of the install it will give you checkboxes for "standard system" "web server" "desktop" etc. you can leave all those unchecked (though I'd recommend standard). when you are done, you can "aptitude install openssh-server vim" |
| 13:35.34 | jordanm | IIRC ssh server is one of the tasks at install |
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| 13:35.46 | barf | do I need aptitude? Is apt dead? |
| 13:36.01 | stew | barf: you can use apt-get if you prefer |
| 13:36.07 | dwep | just a matter of taste |
| 13:36.21 | barf | I have done the one with only ssh server, and the installed image is like 1.1GB |
| 13:36.36 | AimHere | I think people here prefer aptitude because you end up with less unneeded dependencies and libraries when you uninstall stuff |
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| 13:36.53 | stew | AimHere: since apt 0.7, apt has the ability to do the same |
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| 13:37.08 | AimHere | I'm always way behind the loop on these things |
| 13:37.14 | abrotman | the main difference now is the dependency resolution |
| 13:37.14 | stew | AimHere: people here prefer aptitude because it has more mature and flexible dependency resolution |
| 13:37.30 | stew | (which can also be its downfall in more complex situations) |
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| 13:37.38 | barf | I use debian from 2.0 - 4, then I used ubuntu since 06-11, now I am heading back to debian 6 |
| 13:37.41 | dwep | AimHere: i remember when i a couple of years ago did aptitude install gnome-core, "evolution? wtf?" -> apt-get remove --purge evolution |
| 13:37.44 | dwep | not so smart :P |
| 13:37.54 | dwep | na, i mean aptitude remove ofc |
| 13:38.07 | barf | when did apt go 0.7? |
| 13:38.14 | jordanm | I feel like depends resolution in aptitude has regression after lenny. I only use aptitude for its advanced searching these days |
| 13:38.46 | stew | barf: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:48:07 +0100 |
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| 13:38.59 | stew | barf: (from aptitude changelog apt) |
| 13:39.13 | EugenMayer_desk | abrotman: wow. when i use smbd -F -s... to startup the server, it works. when i use the init script i cant connect. Anything related to nmbd? |
| 13:39.18 | barf | So itâs in the repos |
| 13:39.36 | EugenMayer_desk | barf: i bet its about unity :-) |
| 13:40.04 | dwep | i'm really having trouble getting the hdmi sound working, i un-muted "ati r6xx hdmi" in alsamixer and checked the box iec958 in the volume control settings |
| 13:40.08 | dwep | no go |
| 13:40.21 | abrotman | EugenMayer_desk: it might be .. i'd have to know what those optoins do |
| 13:40.38 | barf | Is there still a ppc port of debian? |
| 13:40.41 | EugenMayer_desk | abrotman: -F forground -s CONFIGFILE |
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| 13:40.57 | dwep | feels like i've tried everything |
| 13:41.04 | stew | barf: yes |
| 13:41.22 | barf | maintained? |
| 13:41.29 | abrotman | EugenMayer_desk: using the same config though ? i'd imagine the init script uses other options |
| 13:41.43 | barf | So I will be able to run debian 6.0 ppc on PS3? |
| 13:41.52 | EugenMayer_desk | abrotman: jap, same config |
| 13:41.53 | stew | yes, it is maintained |
| 13:42.13 | jordanm | barf: if your PS3 is old and unpatched, sure |
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| 13:42.15 | stew | we would treat a proglem on ppc the same way as we would treat a problem on i386 |
| 13:42.16 | abrotman | klur: ? |
| 13:42.28 | abrotman | klur: oh, moment |
| 13:42.32 | abrotman | no need to msg that though |
| 13:42.33 | EugenMayer_desk | abrotman: ... when i use smbd -D it fails again .. (daemonize) wth is that.. |
| 13:42.37 | barf | âs PS3 is heavily patched |
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| 13:42.49 | klur | abrotman, posted in here before 15min ago :) |
| 13:43.00 | barf | OtherOS++ |
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| 13:43.07 | abrotman | klur: you can comment out 4/5 and `11/12 are a good way to break your system and 8/9 aren't really needed |
| 13:43.19 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/122206/ .. for those that want to see, or didn't see |
| 13:43.21 | jordanm | barf: when PS3 killed "other OS" the guys working on the debian ps3 port pretty much stopped |
| 13:43.38 | barf | Thatâs sad |
| 13:43.53 | barf | But when it comes to nazism, Sony did well |
| 13:44.10 | stew | godwin! |
| 13:44.29 | klur | abrotman, why are you telling me that 11/12 are a good way to break my system? You haven't seen my /etc/apt/preferences :) |
| 13:44.47 | blue_sky | stew: lol |
| 13:44.58 | abrotman | klur: i don't have to |
| 13:45.37 | stew | klur: are you adjusting experimental's priority from its default value of 1? |
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| 13:46.11 | klur | abrotman, stew, to install a package from sid or experimental, I would have to explicitly pin it |
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| 13:46.27 | klur | and so far I did not pin any to one of them |
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| 13:46.59 | stew | klur: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
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| 13:48.59 | klur | stew, here you are http://paste.debian.net/122207/ |
| 13:49.28 | klur | should have been configured pretty decent |
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| 13:51.22 | stew | ok, so note that trying to install a package in sid or experimental that is not in wheezy will cause it to be installed, even without any more pinning |
| 13:52.35 | klur | stew, hmm.. true... Is it that frequent? |
| 13:53.24 | stew | is what frequent? |
| 13:53.28 | jordanm | yes, in the case the package is not migrating due to RC bugs |
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| 13:54.27 | klur | stew, that there are packages in unstable/exp. but not in testing |
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| 13:55.10 | stew | klur: always |
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| 13:56.42 | klur | stew, so what about adding these lines to the preferences file? http://paste.debian.net/122208/ |
| 13:57.01 | klur | (line 6 should be a=experimental) |
| 13:58.01 | stew | right now there are at least 1100 source packages in unstable that aren't in testing |
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| 13:58.56 | stew | actually it is 1737 |
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| 13:59.05 | jordanm | if you are trying to install a pacakge from sid with < 0 pinning and it depends on another package from sid, its not going to happen IIRC |
| 13:59.11 | stew | and 602 in experimental that aren't in testing |
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| 13:59.58 | stew | klur: what is your goal with having unstable and experimental in your sources.list |
| 14:01.01 | jeybop | hi again, always a problem with kernel building |
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| 14:01.12 | jeybop | so, I am trying to compile 2.6.27 kernel |
| 14:01.27 | klur | stew, I got all the package information/version stuff at hand when offline |
| 14:01.53 | ecolitan | how can i stop ssh from printing a banner to stderr? http://paste.ubuntu.com/639492/ |
| 14:01.57 | jeybop | I am doing that: make-kpkg clean && MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-4.3" fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 14:02.09 | stew | jeybop: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:02.12 | jeybop | on a fresh untared linux-image |
| 14:02.23 | jeybop | 2.6.38 |
| 14:02.37 | jeybop | so, it gets the config of 2.6.38 |
| 14:02.56 | jeybop | for the unknown options, I let them default |
| 14:03.06 | stew | jeybop: are you running lenny aka oldstable? squeeze aka stable? something older? |
| 14:03.11 | totte | Concerning "chmod 700 /home/totte", why is this considered a bad idea? Wouldn't it make my ~ private and be a more effective approach to security than the Debian "User Private Groups" practice? |
| 14:03.30 | stew | totte: this is not considered a bad idea |
| 14:03.46 | stew | totte: what is the "User Private Groups" practice? |
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| 14:03.55 | joltcan | ecolitan: remove the contents of /etc/issue.net maybe? |
| 14:04.08 | stew | totte: you can make 700 the default with "dpkg-reconfigure adduser" |
| 14:04.18 | ecolitan | joltcan: i alread did |
| 14:04.20 | totte | I'm the user totte and my primary group is users, wouldn't the chmod 700 then give me as a user full access but lock out any other users part of the group "users"? |
| 14:04.30 | totte | http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups |
| 14:04.32 | jeybop | stew, hm, my apt is set with testing in high priority |
| 14:04.51 | ecolitan | joltcan: wait, i erased issue, not issue.net |
| 14:05.03 | joltcan | ecolitan: guess what issue.net works for :) |
| 14:05.22 | stew | jeybop: are you hoping to install the resulting kernel on testing? |
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| 14:05.37 | joltcan | ecolitan: or modify the Banner section of sshd_config |
| 14:05.41 | ecolitan | joltcan: danke! |
| 14:05.54 | stew | jeybop: note that you are specifyng --initrd which is going to be initramfs on debian, and that this uses udev, and udev on testing has a minimum version requirement of 2.6.32 as of udev 168 |
| 14:05.55 | jeybop | stew, ... yeeeees, it may lead to problems? |
| 14:06.27 | jeybop | stew, ok |
| 14:06.34 | stew | (and even without --initrd, udev will be non-functional) |
| 14:06.46 | stew | jeybop: why do you want such and old kernel? |
| 14:07.03 | jeybop | stew, I must apply a patch |
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| 14:07.20 | stew | ecolitan: i believe pam on the server is causing motd to print |
| 14:07.28 | jeybop | stew, and it seems to work with 2.6.27, and maybe 2.6.29 kernel |
| 14:07.36 | jordanm | jeybop: what patch? |
| 14:08.09 | ecolitan | stew: i erased /etc/issue.net and it stopped printing |
| 14:08.21 | jeybop | jordanm, this is a patch developped by an INRIA team (french research), for a nexttouch memory allocation behaviour |
| 14:08.22 | joltcan | ecolitan: I guess setting Banner to /dev/null is probably a better way, and it will work after the next time you upgrade as well |
| 14:08.30 | ecolitan | the annoying thing was that it was printing to stderr |
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| 14:09.12 | ecolitan | i dont understand why /etc/issue.net should print to stderr? bug? |
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| 14:09.26 | jordanm | jeybop: nexttouch? |
| 14:09.41 | jordanm | ecolitan: why is that annoying? |
| 14:09.53 | ecolitan | because its not an error message |
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| 14:10.11 | jordanm | 2011-07-07 10:09 < jordanm> jeybop: nexttouch? |
| 14:10.12 | ecolitan | all the other motd etc etc is stdout |
| 14:10.12 | jordanm | 2011-07-07 10:09 < jordanm> ecolitan: why is that annoying? |
| 14:10.12 | jordanm | 2011-07-07 10:09 < ecolitan> because its not an error message |
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| 14:10.20 | jordanm | sorry for the past :\ |
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| 14:12.24 | jeybop | jordanm, this is a NUMA memory allocation policy |
| 14:12.39 | stew | ecolitan: what does "grep Banner /etc/ssh/sshd_config" return? |
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| 14:13.04 | superlinux | I have this page http://informatica.com.lb/ . it has a nice music cos of flash swf . I wantto save the music |
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| 14:13.12 | ecolitan | Banner /etc/issue.net |
| 14:13.13 | stew | ecolitan: you'd not want this banner in stdout, becuase it woudl break stuff like "ssh foo dosomething | otherprocess" |
| 14:13.13 | superlinux | i donno how |
| 14:13.26 | stew | ecolitan: so that's why it is spitting out /etc/issue.net at all |
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| 14:13.37 | stew | ecolitan: (and I do not believe this is the default) |
| 14:13.50 | jordanm | stew: dosomething will cause it to not be printed at all |
| 14:14.11 | stew | jordanm: that's incorrect, it still prints |
| 14:14.12 | ecolitan | stew: it was through a script that does exactly that, that i noticed the problem |
| 14:14.38 | stew | jordanm: the motd stuff stops printing, but not the banner |
| 14:14.41 | jeybop | jordanm, stew, do you think there is any hope to install a 2.6.27 on a testing, or I should give up now and create a new partition with a fresh oldstable linux? |
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| 14:15.12 | ecolitan | stew: the script catches stderr and doesnt know if it comes from ssh or the command being run remotely |
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| 14:15.39 | stew | ecolitan: then get rid of the Banner directive |
| 14:16.01 | ecolitan | stew: I'll do that :) |
| 14:16.08 | stew | jeybop: if you want to use 2.6.27, you cannot use udev, and its becomming severely difficult to avoid udev |
| 14:16.16 | jordanm | ecolitan: couldn't you check the exit status of the commands instead of catching stderr? what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 14:17.47 | ecolitan | jordanm: i have a python script that logs into a bunch of servers to run various scripts |
| 14:18.01 | ecolitan | jordanm: like a poor mans monitoring system |
| 14:18.49 | ecolitan | jordanm: and it emails me the stderrs, in case somehting breaks |
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| 14:19.24 | ecolitan | anyway all fixed now thnks everyone |
| 14:19.34 | jordanm | ecolitan: checking exit status should be sufficient, but I don't know exactly what its doing. nagios is probably the real answer |
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| 14:22.18 | stew | except we should all be switching from nagios to icinga :) |
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| 14:24.21 | sgn | I'd like to install x.org and use ATI's proprietary drivers, but xserver-xorg-core depends on a bunch of other drivers. any way of avoiding this? |
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| 14:25.27 | pipeline | sgn: Install packages individually instead of using the metapackage |
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| 14:25.42 | pipeline | sgn: larger problem: ATI proprietary drivers are pretty terrible. Don't expect to e.g. play games. |
| 14:25.44 | stew | judd: depends xserver-xorg |
| 14:25.46 | judd | Package xserver-xorg -- depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.7), xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-6, xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input-7, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, libc6 (>= 2.7), xkb-data (>= 1.4), x11-xkb-utils. |
| 14:26.05 | sgn | I just want XBMC. I don't need window managers or anything |
| 14:26.16 | pipeline | sgn: I woulnd't count on XBMC working worth a damn, either. |
| 14:26.21 | stew | sgn: it depends on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-6 ; so as long as you install some package which Provides: xserver-xorg-video-6, you don't need xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 14:26.46 | pipeline | sgn: supposedly the r7xx/r8xx fglrx driver is higher quality than prior versions, but using an R5xx card back in the day, getting a dumb framebuffer driver worknig was a blessing. It was both faster and more stable than fglrx ;_; |
| 14:26.48 | sgn | pipeline: Really? Any alternatives then? |
| 14:26.56 | pipeline | sgn: buy an nvidia card or choose an intel system carefully |
| 14:27.10 | pipeline | sgn: nvidia is the easiest path, probably -- discrete card fast enough for xbmc+vdpau is <$50 |
| 14:27.36 | sgn | pipeline: Just bought a lowprofile fanless PCIe 1x card to use in my multipurpose box :) |
| 14:28.06 | pipeline | sgn: ATI proprietary drivers have been terrible for years and years. I do not expect them to become a strategic focus for AMD in the immediate future. Return it, buy an nvidia card :\ |
| 14:28.32 | sgn | bummer :) |
| 14:28.47 | pipeline | sgn: when I got marooned on R5xx, it was by accident, purchasing department foul-up for my laptop... needless to say my subsequent laptops have been nvidia or intel ;) |
| 14:28.58 | pipeline | sgn: screamed bloody murder haha |
| 14:29.10 | sgn | im gettting that same feeling :) |
| 14:29.28 | pipeline | sgn: if you just want XBMC to work, and you can do decode on the CPU, literally any nvidia card will be fine |
| 14:29.29 | sgn | xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd <--- worth trying? |
| 14:29.53 | pipeline | sgn: the radeonhd driver is stable and does great for average desktop things. Performance will probably not be adequate to XBMC. |
| 14:29.57 | sgn | pipeline: Intel Atom box, I think I'm gonna need GPU support :) |
| 14:30.19 | pipeline | sgn: the regular radeon, non-radeonhd driver, is usually faster... but it's probably going to be inadequate for XBMC |
| 14:30.35 | pipeline | sgn: uhh yeah if you need GPU offload for decode, nvidia is a necessity. XBMC supports vdpau. |
| 14:30.50 | pipeline | sgn: the problem is that different chipsets support different vdpau featuresets, and I think you want set C |
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| 14:31.19 | Chilaquiles | is there any application for debian that can manage .rar files? |
| 14:31.32 | sgn | Then there's the issue of installing XBMC. No packages, crap |
| 14:31.39 | pipeline | Chilaquiles: rar, it's in non-free |
| 14:31.42 | pipeline | sgn: there are packages for xbmc |
| 14:31.50 | Chilaquiles | pipeline: so? |
| 14:31.52 | pipeline | sgn: on debian-multimedia.org |
| 14:32.06 | pipeline | Chilaquiles: non-free is not configured by default, so I warned you before you came back complaining that apt-get didn't find it |
| 14:32.30 | pipeline | sgn: XBMC is going to be pretty worthless on ATI+Atom though, if you get it working at all. |
| 14:32.39 | Chilaquiles | pipeline: but I can do it with ubuntu and I didn pay for it |
| 14:32.42 | sgn | ah |
| 14:32.44 | sgn | nice |
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| 14:33.08 | stew | Chilaquiles: then you might be using it illegally, i'd encourage you to read the license |
| 14:33.08 | pipeline | Chilaquiles: you don't have to pay for anything, you just have to configure the non-free repository. |
| 14:33.20 | stew | pipeline: you do have to pay to use that package |
| 14:33.45 | Chilaquiles | pipeline: How can I do that? |
| 14:33.46 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.58 | Kharec | lechienkitu: you here ;) |
| 14:34.23 | Chilaquiles | stew: no, itÅ the program that came by default with Ubuntu |
| 14:34.38 | lechienkitu | Kharec: ^^ Yes, for learn english and learn about debian ;) |
| 14:34.40 | pipeline | sgn: when I last looked, about a year ago, the cheapest card that could do 100% offload for h264 decode was under $50, but there were no fanless... GTS 210, I thnk? I'm sure that's changed by now. |
| 14:34.44 | stew | Chilaquiles: if it is the rar software that is the same software in debian, you have to pay to continue to use it |
| 14:34.53 | Chilaquiles | stew: I think is called fileroller or something like that and it was able to open rar files |
| 14:35.11 | pipeline | file-roller probably used the free and open source "unrar," which can extract but not create rar files |
| 14:35.33 | Chilaquiles | pipeline: I wasn able to extract file |
| 14:35.35 | pipeline | (and it can't reliably extract rar files, either, lots of weird shit out there :() |
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| 14:35.49 | stew | Chilaquiles: there is an unrar-free package which you don't have to pay for, which can extract some but not all rar archives |
| 14:35.53 | Chilaquiles | is there anything I can do to extract my rar file? |
| 14:36.03 | pipeline | you can install the shareware rar utility and file-roller |
| 14:36.08 | pipeline | as we have already explained |
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| 14:36.47 | Chilaquiles | ok, how can I install it? |
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| 14:36.54 | stew | Chilaquiles: i'd strongly encourage you to move to an archive format which doesn't have these problems, with good free implementations |
| 14:37.18 | Chilaquiles | stew: I want to extract a downloaded file |
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| 14:37.51 | stew | Chilaquiles: i'd tell the people that are distrubuting stuff in .rar format to provide a more sane alternative |
| 14:37.52 | philIey | ;l |
| 14:37.55 | philIey | hi |
| 14:37.58 | philIey | what is best linux distro? |
| 14:38.06 | philIey | i like windows7 what is the best linux alternative |
| 14:38.10 | pipeline | philIey: debian, clearly |
| 14:38.15 | Chilaquiles | stew: yeah, that is gonna take some days |
| 14:38.17 | pipeline | philIey: all other distributions are off-topic for #debian |
| 14:38.18 | philIey | any reaons? |
| 14:38.26 | stew | philIey: we're obviously fans of debian, /msg dpkg why debian |
| 14:38.28 | philIey | why do u think debian is best |
| 14:38.33 | Chilaquiles | stew: I just want to extract it now |
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| 14:38.55 | philIey | asdf |
| 14:39.12 | philIey | so u think debian better than win7? |
| 14:39.12 | stew | Chilaquiles: if file-roller worked for you in ubuntu, I'd have you try file-roller in debian |
| 14:39.21 | Chilaquiles | pipeline: so, can I install the same file-roller that Ubuntu uses so I can extract it? |
| 14:39.29 | Chilaquiles | ok |
| 14:39.41 | philIey | ubuntu banned me |
| 14:39.44 | philIey | so here i am |
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| 14:40.05 | pipeline | Chilaquiles: file-roller is just a frontend to other tools. I don't know how file-roller works exactly. I can guarantee that the non-free rar tool will extract any rar file. file-roller may or may not be able to use the non-free rar tool. |
| 14:40.05 | lechienkitu | I'll don't be friend with superlinux :) |
| 14:40.09 | pipeline | philIey: try #debian-offtopic |
| 14:40.15 | blue_sky | philIey: if you like Win 7 why are you looking at Linux? |
| 14:40.23 | Chilaquiles | stew: when I type file-roller it shows me archive manager and I already have it install it |
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| 14:40.30 | stew | philIey: this channel is really only intended for debian end-user support. if you want a discussion of various linux distributions, you might try ##linux |
| 14:40.33 | Chilaquiles | stew: when I type file-roller it shows me archive manager and I already have it installed |
| 14:40.44 | philIey | i cant join linux |
| 14:41.03 | Chilaquiles | pipeline: ok, could you tell me how can I install the non-free rar tool then? |
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| 14:41.16 | stew | philIey: ##linux-ops is the place to go if you are having trouble with ##linux |
| 14:41.33 | lechienkitu | philIey: maybe you should be loed ? |
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| 14:41.35 | lechienkitu | loged* |
| 14:41.45 | Bushmills | windows, the best patience game for the price |
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| 14:41.57 | stew | Chilaquiles: /msg dselect non-free ; you should read the rar license before using it, since you may have to purchase a license to use it |
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| 14:42.54 | philIey | if windows is so bad why is bill gates so rich |
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| 14:43.00 | dudz_ | why does the rescue mode when i select to install grub, why is it now installing the base system :'( |
| 14:43.06 | dudz_ | all i wanted to do was re-install grub |
| 14:43.08 | stew | philIey: please keep your comments on-topic, thanks |
| 14:43.37 | pipeline | sgn: huh there is a fanless nvidia 210 card now... but it costs $20 more than a model with a fan. I have long contemplated a HTPC to replace my appletv+xbmc, but for $20, I might live with an extra fan ;) |
| 14:43.41 | dudz_ | is it only configuring my /dev perhaps ? |
| 14:43.56 | pipeline | sgn: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121422 |
| 14:44.08 | Chilaquiles | stew: now the problem is what software Im going to install |
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| 14:44.29 | stew | Chilaquiles: i would recommend you try the unrar-free version first, since it is free |
| 14:44.29 | pipeline | sgn: the 210 series supports 100% offload for a bunch of codecs using XBMC + libvdpau1 + nvidia proprietary driver |
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| 14:44.43 | Chilaquiles | stew: I did already |
| 14:45.38 | pipeline | I have no idea why rar files still turn up after all these years |
| 14:45.47 | blue_sky | ah, that's how you /ignore... |
| 14:45.50 | blue_sky | :) |
| 14:45.51 | pipeline | at this point 7zip supports all of the features I know of in rar |
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| 14:46.11 | dudz_ | or you can add the non-free apt sources then just install rar as normal |
| 14:46.13 | stew | Chilaquiles: then I believe what you would do is go to http://www.rarlab.com/ and buy a license for rar, then you can install the rar package from non-free |
| 14:46.36 | Chilaquiles | its that going to appear at the software center after I add the non-free repositories |
| 14:46.42 | pipeline | the non-free rar package is shareware; you can use it for a month without paying for it |
| 14:46.53 | Chilaquiles | buy a licence?.... |
| 14:46.54 | pipeline | just like winrar for that matter |
| 14:47.01 | dudz_ | what are you talking about pipeline |
| 14:47.10 | pipeline | dudz_: apt-cache show rar |
| 14:47.10 | Chilaquiles | yeah thats what I want |
| 14:47.26 | pipeline | dudz_: the license terms are right there in the package description dude |
| 14:47.32 | pipeline | dudz_: it's shareware :P |
| 14:47.44 | philIey | windows is free too |
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| 14:47.48 | dudz_ | the description lies |
| 14:47.49 | philIey | just download an activator |
| 14:48.10 | dudz_ | although i only use the console version, never used any gui rar in debian |
| 14:48.12 | philIey | my windows is fully activated for free |
| 14:48.15 | Chilaquiles | when I update the file sources.list the programs in Software center are also updated? |
| 14:48.24 | pipeline | dudz_: the console version is shareware |
| 14:48.29 | pipeline | dudz_: you are expected to pay for it |
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| 14:48.43 | klur | Chilaquiles, software center? Are you using Ubuntu? |
| 14:48.44 | dudz_ | there is no time trial thing anyway thats all i know |
| 14:48.48 | dudz_ | unless its recently changed |
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| 14:49.02 | Chilaquiles | klur: Im using debian Squeeze |
| 14:49.12 | pipeline | dudz_: no, it won't actually lock you out, but the license terms are nevertheless shareware. You are expected to pay for it. |
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| 14:49.21 | pipeline | dudz_: winrar won't lock you out, either, but it will nag you ;) |
| 14:49.23 | dudz_ | fair enough |
| 14:49.27 | dudz_ | yeah true |
| 14:49.43 | dudz_ | maybe there is a nag in syslog somewhere |
| 14:49.44 | dudz_ | hehe |
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| 14:50.01 | zamaliphe | hello |
| 14:50.05 | pipeline | rar is not expensive, except in the sense that it's ridiculous to pay for an archive tool in an era when excellent free alternatives exist |
| 14:50.41 | zamaliphe | how can i find xorg.cofig |
| 14:50.48 | dudz_ | rar is a windows format anyway, no one uses it for packaging elsewhere |
| 14:50.49 | stew | dudz_: this isn't a recent change, afaik the rar license has been like this for many many years |
| 14:50.59 | klur | Chilaquiles, I do not know software center in particular but you have to update your sources in some form. On the command-line it's "apt-get update" or "aptitude update". |
| 14:51.09 | Chilaquiles | itÅ ridiculous that there's not a program that can extract all rar files |
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| 14:51.23 | dudz_ | there is its called a script that you write |
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| 14:52.10 | dudz_ | no one uses rar in linux, only torrenters |
| 14:52.24 | zamaliphe | i need to set my screen resuloion but i cannot find xorg.conf in /etc/x11 or /user/share/x11 what should i do ? |
| 14:52.44 | klur | dudz_, unfortunately, filesharer in general use rar |
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| 14:52.59 | stew | Chilaquiles: the rar software can extract all rar files, but it costs money. the ridiculous thing is that people are still using this format since this situation exists |
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| 14:54.05 | Chilaquiles | stew: but there should be a free software that can extract all kinds of rar files |
| 14:54.11 | Chilaquiles | since Ubuntu can do it |
| 14:54.16 | Chilaquiles | for free |
| 14:54.24 | stew | Chilaquiles: no, ubuntu cannot do it for free |
| 14:54.52 | Chilaquiles | It can |
| 14:54.53 | stew | Chilaquiles: ubuntu is doing the same thing debian is. (though perhaps not making it as obvious) |
| 14:55.02 | Chilaquiles | I did it and I didn't pay anything |
| 14:55.15 | Chilaquiles | I also didn't have to download the software to extract the rar file |
| 14:55.19 | stew | Chilaquiles: if you didn't pay anything, then I believe you are using this software in ubuntu illegally |
| 14:55.20 | klur | lol |
| 14:55.24 | Chilaquiles | it came with Ubuntu by default |
| 14:55.35 | Chilaquiles | Illegally? |
| 14:55.37 | stew | Chilaquiles: i don't see why that matters |
| 14:55.42 | Chilaquiles | it's Ubuntu Illegal then? |
| 14:55.45 | stew | Chilaquiles: yes, please read the distribution license |
| 14:55.55 | stew | Chilaquiles: no, ubuntu can legally redistribute it, just as debian is |
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| 14:56.17 | stew | Chilaquiles: the burden to buy a license to use it is yours, and it is something that you agree to by using the software |
| 14:57.09 | h1gh | looks like there is a gpl unrar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrar |
| 14:57.27 | stew | Chilaquiles: here is the copyright agreement that ubuntu distributes with the software (which is the same agreement that I'm talking about): http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/r/rar/rar_3.9.3-1/rar.copyright |
| 14:57.48 | stew | Chilaquiles: please read this agreemnt, specifically number 2. |
| 14:57.53 | blue_sky | Chilaquiles: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression#Rar%20(.rar) |
| 14:57.55 | stew | h1gh: yes, and it doesn't work for him |
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| 14:58.12 | h1gh | ok |
| 14:59.11 | dudz_ | yeah btw stew , still trying to grub-install, this time i started over i didn't dd my file system backups this time, i just created the partitions, copied the data to them from my old partitions using rsync then booted the debian cd into rescue |
| 14:59.27 | dudz_ | then i looked for this option to install grub without doing what i did before but this time choosing the gui method |
| 14:59.39 | dudz_ | and it started to install the base system which i found was rather unexpected |
| 14:59.43 | dudz_ | since i didn't want that at all |
| 15:01.24 | dudz_ | after selecting to re-install grub from the debian cd in rescue mode, i was first asked to configure my partitions which it hought was reasonable since i guess it needed to reconfigure my fstab and whatever grub wanted to know about these things |
| 15:01.44 | dudz_ | though then it started the base install, was it something i did wrong or is this a normal procedure for installing grub ? |
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| 15:02.27 | dudz_ | i thought i'd just get an option like go straight to where i want to install grub on, not have to go through the entire install process again |
| 15:03.08 | dudz_ | thats something i think thats miss-leading about the debian rescue option for installing grub anyway i reckon. |
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| 15:07.56 | zamaliphe | i need help pleases |
| 15:07.58 | superstraw | is there a program in debian that shows changes to a file as they happen? |
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| 15:08.10 | zamaliphe | i need to configure xorg |
| 15:08.16 | superstraw | or for linux in general? |
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| 15:08.36 | abrotman | superstraw: explain a bit more |
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| 15:08.39 | abrotman | zamaliphe: to do what? |
| 15:09.13 | zamaliphe | to use beter screen resulaion |
| 15:09.32 | zamaliphe | now its 600X800 60 |
| 15:09.36 | abrotman | nvidia card? |
| 15:10.01 | zamaliphe | intel product: 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 15:10.34 | colo-work | zamaliphe, is your display connected digitally, by DVI-D? |
| 15:10.45 | zamaliphe | no vga1 |
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| 15:11.49 | zamaliphe | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10) |
| 15:12.19 | colo-work | do you have the possibility to use DVI instead if VGA/D-Sub? |
| 15:12.34 | zamaliphe | no |
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| 15:12.38 | BRICKS1984 | hi |
| 15:12.41 | superstraw | abrotman: I monitor a file that our database program uses to store notes. I used to use: "tail notes.file | strings -n 3". tail for the appended notes, strings since it's a binary file. Well the database program seems to have changed, and now the most current notes I am looking for are now being stored in the file not at the end, but seemingly random places (for now). I assume the notes.file has reached it's max size... not sure yet. But I a |
| 15:13.14 | BRICKS1984 | is there anyone who can tell me why i can't play videos on youtube? all i get is a blackscreen |
| 15:13.14 | zamaliphe | where is xorg.conf and why its not used ? |
| 15:13.38 | superstraw | This file is 1.7 Gigs large... which makes it a pain over a 100mbit connection. |
| 15:13.50 | zamaliphe | BRICKS1984: install flash player |
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| 15:14.03 | BRICKS1984 | zamaliphe, it is already installed bro |
| 15:14.09 | debianhacker | Hi all |
| 15:14.29 | PZt | hello i am trying to do a upgrade from etch to lenny(i have modified the sources list and installed apt, dpkg, and aptitude) i am gettting unresolved dependancies error defoma recommends libft-perl |
| 15:14.53 | zamaliphe | BRICKS1984: do you hav any ideia ? |
| 15:14.57 | stew | BRICKS1984: depending on which browser you use, you can watch videos on youtube using html5: http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 15:14.57 | scampbell | zamaliphe: xorg.conf is typcially not present, when it is not there then xorg creates it's own internally (this is now the preferred method). Thus, if you really want to change xorg.conf you must create it. |
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| 15:15.18 | BRICKS1984 | stew i'm using iceweasel |
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| 15:15.37 | stew | BRICKS1984: they calim you need at least version 4 |
| 15:15.45 | stew | ^calim^claim |
| 15:16.10 | BRICKS1984 | oh |
| 15:16.12 | debianhacker | Hi all, i have problems with Xorg (on Debian Squeeze installed today) : i do "sudo Xorg -configure" to generate a Xorg.conf but it returns "segmentation error, at address (nil)" |
| 15:16.23 | zamaliphe | is their is any tool to help me create xorg.conf ? |
| 15:16.29 | debianhacker | Can anyone help me please |
| 15:16.31 | scampbell | zamaliphe: fwiw, I would really go down the path of ensuring you have the proper xorg for your video card (some need proprietary drives to really function well). |
| 15:16.32 | stew | zamaliphe: X -configure |
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| 15:17.23 | zamaliphe | stew: i did that but i cannot find any thing related to my video card in it |
| 15:17.32 | debianhacker | zamaliphe -> to generate Xorg.conf you switch to console and you close X server, then you do "cd /etc/X11", "sudo Xorg -configure" |
| 15:17.43 | PZt | should i be worried about that error or will it be fine? |
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| 15:17.59 | stew | zamaliphe: can you put it into a pastebin? |
| 15:18.07 | zamaliphe | ok |
| 15:18.45 | stew | PZt: what command gave you that error? |
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| 15:19.08 | debianhacker | Can anyone help me ? When i try to generate Xorg.conf with Xorg -configure it returns me Segmentation error |
| 15:19.08 | stew | PZt: libft-perl is not in lenny, so i expect that its talking about a etch version of defoma |
| 15:19.08 | abrotman | debianhacker: PPC? |
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| 15:19.34 | debianhacker | PPC ? (sorry i'm new to IRC) |
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| 15:19.44 | abrotman | PowerPC? |
| 15:19.47 | abrotman | an old Mac? |
| 15:19.48 | debianhacker | no |
| 15:20.10 | debianhacker | it's a new PC with Intel poulsbo |
| 15:20.21 | debianhacker | debian installs great |
| 15:20.23 | debianhacker | Xorg too |
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| 15:20.45 | debianhacker | but when i want to modify Xorg.conf, the file dont exisis |
| 15:20.49 | debianhacker | exists* |
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| 15:21.04 | zamaliphe | my xorg http://pastebin.com/index/LtG9AVVW my card info http://pastebin.com/mq05HQtG |
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| 15:21.17 | debianhacker | and when i try to generate, Xorg -configure, it returns a segmentation error |
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| 15:21.30 | debianhacker | (Thanks a lot for help :) ) |
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| 15:22.17 | stew | zamaliphe: i see a Section: "Device" |
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| 15:22.38 | BRICKS1984 | stew, still doesn't work |
| 15:22.45 | tdtusb | can anyone recommend me some TDT USB adapters, that is usb adpaters that will enable me to watch DIGITAL TV on my netbook? I am in Spain and the only TV you can watch is digital. I am looking for USB adapters that do NOT require non free firmware and are approved by the FSF |
| 15:22.55 | zamaliphe | stew: yes but its empty |
| 15:22.57 | stew | BRICKS1984: using which browser |
| 15:23.05 | stew | zamaliphe: no, its not |
| 15:23.12 | PZt | stew aptitude full-upgrade |
| 15:23.12 | BRICKS1984 | stew iceweasel 5 |
| 15:23.42 | stew | PZt: have you already successfully run "aptitude safe-upgrade"? |
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| 15:23.46 | zamaliphe | stew: i dont know how to but my vga card in it |
| 15:23.47 | debianhacker | TDTUSB -> pctv picostick, a friend uses it on Ubuntu, but i dont know if he uses free software of not |
| 15:23.49 | tralala | tdtusb: do such exist at all? You'd be lucky if you can buy one that works even with non-free firmware. |
| 15:24.01 | stew | zamaliphe: i must not understand what you are asking |
| 15:24.15 | stew | BRICKS1984: you joined the html5 trial? |
| 15:24.44 | BRICKS1984 | yeah |
| 15:24.49 | debianhacker | Can anyone help me? Xorg -configure returns me segmentation error |
| 15:24.58 | debianhacker | on a new PC with intel poulsbo |
| 15:25.05 | BRICKS1984 | but what's wrong with the flash plugin? why can't i use it? |
| 15:25.06 | zamaliphe | stew: can you edit my xorg conf and set my intel card details in it pleases |
| 15:25.23 | stew | zamaliphe: they are already there |
| 15:25.30 | stew | zamaliphe: what do you think should be there that isn't? |
| 15:25.34 | PZt | stew no i modified source list, aptitude upgrade, aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude |
| 15:25.53 | abrotman | hopefully you mean update, not upgrade |
| 15:26.15 | PZt | update* |
| 15:26.29 | zamaliphe | stew: the card model name |
| 15:26.36 | stew | PZt: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy defoma libft-perl" in a pastebin ? |
| 15:27.51 | tdtusb | tralala: i am inclined to think that you may be right but I would prefer to hear from anyone who knows more about the topic |
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| 15:28.03 | stew | zamaliphe: that doesn't typically go into xorg.conf. you could use it as the "Identifier" if you wish instead of "Card0", but this doesn't affect anything, its just a user supplied identifier used to refer to it later in the file |
| 15:28.34 | stew | zamaliphe: the driver can easily detect exactly what the card is, so there is no reason to specify it |
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| 15:28.55 | stew | zamaliphe: your Xorg.0.log should show that the drier knows exactly what the card model is |
| 15:30.14 | PZt | stew http://pastie.org/private/9qvj1luckdk0er4i92bkg |
| 15:30.32 | debianhacker | i will ask on debian forums about my xorg problem |
| 15:31.02 | debianhacker | but i have a simple question : how to change the console font and resolution ? (on a Debian squeeze) |
| 15:31.13 | stew | judd: recommends defoma --release lenny |
| 15:31.14 | judd | Package defoma -- recommends: libft-perl. |
| 15:31.25 | stew | judd: info libft-perl --release lenny |
| 15:31.26 | judd | No record of package 'libft-perl' in lenny/i386. |
| 15:31.28 | stew | ugh |
| 15:31.44 | stew | PZt: i guess this is normal. sorry I didn't notice this before, you should just continue |
| 15:32.11 | PZt | stew okay thank you |
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| 15:33.24 | BRICKS1984 | thanks for nothing |
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| 15:35.01 | n-iCe | hi |
| 15:35.25 | debianhacker | bb all, and thank you |
| 15:36.00 | superstraw | !asc |
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| 15:37.23 | superstraw | is dpkg no longer with us? |
| 15:37.38 | stew | superstraw: she's having a lazy summer. try dselect instead |
| 15:37.44 | superstraw | ty |
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| 15:38.36 | zamaliphe | ok thanks all |
| 15:38.49 | zamaliphe | have to reboot and see if its work |
| 15:38.55 | stew | zamaliphe: reboot? why? |
| 15:39.01 | zamaliphe | to restart x |
| 15:39.14 | stew | zamaliphe: /etc/init.d/gdm restart? startx? |
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| 15:44.54 | tdtusb | can anyone recommend me some TDT USB adapters, that is usb adpaters that will enable me to watch DIGITAL TV on my netbook? I am in Spain and the only TV you can watch is digital. I am looking for USB adapters that do NOT require non free firmware and are approved by the FSF |
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| 15:46.00 | zamaliphe | stew: thanks it works now but i need to set the refrash rate manual can i ? |
| 15:46.01 | MikeH | Hi. I'm looking for the most efficient way of moving files from an LVM volume (EXT3) to an NTFS hard drive. |
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| 15:46.10 | MikeH | Something tells me rsync may be better in case it's interupted |
| 15:46.14 | MikeH | any suggestions? |
| 15:46.22 | lanteau | I'm running unstable. yesterday I did an apt-get upgrade and it upgraded the kernel but when configuring the kernel package dpkg hangs everytime |
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| 15:46.58 | grandie | what is the best way over DSL to try to be unseen on the web? |
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| 15:47.14 | tralala | tdtusb: I'm surely not the most knowledgable on the topic but my own attemps to find a usb tv tuner that works with linux have led me to abandon tv watching altogether. Looking back now I consider it a good thing :) |
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| 15:48.21 | grandie | or maybe I should have said which tool or program under debian would help me reduce my presence on the web? |
| 15:50.18 | sm1 | tdtusb: you may also look in gnu website for an info regarding that & asking in #gnu. |
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| 15:51.12 | tdtusb | sml: already did but foun no answer |
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| 15:51.15 | jhutchins_lt | #debian on oftc.net is stuck. |
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| 15:51.51 | jhutchins_lt | grandie: What is your concern? |
| 15:52.11 | soultekkie | !help |
| 15:52.16 | soultekkie | oops |
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| 15:53.08 | soultekkie | simple question... from the latest kernels available what can i use on squeeze safely? |
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| 15:54.23 | sm1 | tdtusb: and on FSF website! |
| 15:54.25 | grandie | jhutchins_lt: not being seen or having trash sent my way |
| 15:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | grandie: Well, if you have an email address you WILL get spam. A good filtering setup with spamassassin will help keep it managable. |
| 15:55.22 | soultekkie | 2.6.32 is old... for all my hardware to be supported i'll need at least 2.6.38 or later... on ubuntu i know how to do it (but "not having" gnome in the future is driving me crazy |
| 15:55.29 | jhutchins_lt | grandie: As to not being seen: by whom? |
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| 15:55.50 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 15:55.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (3.0.0~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 15:56.47 | soultekkie | man i would love 2.6.39 on squeeze... |
| 15:57.34 | grandie | jhutchins_lt: after visiting some web sites I start getting advertisments for different things available in my area! |
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| 15:59.11 | babilen | soultekkie: You can compile it yourself, or wait until it hits backports, but it has to transition to wheezy first and I am not sure that'll happen. (Probably 3.0.0 instead) |
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| 15:59.56 | grandie | jhutchins_lt: so somewhere my system is identifying my location and I would like to shutoff or stop that |
| 16:00.43 | jelly | grandie: no easy way except using something like tor for the outbound connections |
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| 16:01.08 | stew | grandie: your ip address gives your location away |
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| 16:02.30 | stew | this says berlin |
| 16:02.40 | lanteau | Anyone know why dpkg is freezing when configuring the kernel package. It hangs at Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-2-amd64 |
| 16:02.52 | grandie | Germany but not Berlin |
| 16:02.56 | jhutchins_lt | grandie: I haven't had trouble with that, but if you're going to see adds, wouldn't you prefer that they be for something you might actually use? |
| 16:03.04 | oblio | grandie: use an anonymizing proxy |
| 16:03.06 | jhutchins_lt | grandie: I use add-block on firefox. |
| 16:03.31 | grandie | which proxy? |
| 16:03.35 | ksk | tor? |
| 16:03.48 | oblio | grandie: pick one |
| 16:03.53 | ksk | its not that easy to get anonymous on the internet |
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| 16:04.01 | ksk | even if you use tor, adblock and all the shit |
| 16:04.14 | ksk | theres some webpage around which tells you how unique your configuration is ;) |
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| 16:04.37 | stew | lanteau: sounds like a grub issue, check the bts for the kernel, grub-pc, initramfs-tools |
| 16:04.49 | kutchbhi | can someone tell how many MBS does the standalone w32 installer needs to download? Also does it touch the MBR at all ? |
| 16:05.00 | grandie | that's why I through the question out to get some kind of idea as to what I am up against |
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| 16:05.03 | oblio | kassel |
| 16:05.13 | jelly | kutchbhi: uh, what w32 installer? |
| 16:05.21 | oblio | gemunden |
| 16:05.32 | lanteau | stew: I was thinking grub as well. So someone recommended rebooting but that seems a bad idea if grub could be in limbo. What is bts? (bug tracking system?) |
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| 16:05.50 | stew | lanteau: yes, bugs.debian.org |
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| 16:06.29 | kutchbhi | jellyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader_(Debian) |
| 16:07.13 | grandie | Thanks all, I go do my homework on proxy's |
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| 16:11.42 | phuzion | How can I see if a package is installed with apt-get? |
| 16:11.44 | jhutchins_lt | lanteau: Were you asking about this problem yesterday? |
| 16:11.52 | phuzion | Without actually telling the system to install it. |
| 16:12.07 | jhutchins_lt | phuzion: dpkg -l |
| 16:12.15 | jhutchins_lt | phuzion: dpkg -l <package> |
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| 16:12.29 | phuzion | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 16:12.32 | jhutchins_lt | phuzion: dpkg -l | grep <package> |
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| 16:12.45 | lanteau | jhutchins_lt: no this issue just occurred to me today |
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| 16:14.03 | jhutchins_lt | lanteau: Which release are you on? |
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| 16:15.07 | kutchbhi | anybody? does the w32 intsaller touch the MBR at all ? |
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| 16:17.37 | WormFood | is -h and -L in bash's conditional operators identical? Or just an alias? Or is there some other slight difference between the two that the man page does not say? I'm guessing they're identical, just an alias. |
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| 16:19.20 | n-iCe | I am back, somehow the .iso did not install me the desktop environment :/ |
| 16:19.26 | n-iCe | tried to reinstall the whole system twice |
| 16:19.34 | n-iCe | also the sources.list were not listed |
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| 16:19.44 | n-iCe | so can't I get this without an internet connection during the installation?! |
| 16:19.59 | gusan0r | exist any channel in spanish languaje ? |
| 16:20.05 | n-iCe | #debian-es |
| 16:20.13 | gusan0r | thx |
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| 16:21.14 | n-iCe | anyone using an ALFA AWUS036H seems to be not properly working in Debian testing wheezy |
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| 16:23.31 | Kromgol | When i try to install XML::LibXML through cpan i get this: "looking for -lxml2... no |
| 16:23.31 | Kromgol | looking for -llibxml2... no |
| 16:23.31 | Kromgol | libxml2, zlib, and/or the Math library (-lm) have not been found." Any idea how to fix it? As far as i know, i got libxml2 installed already. |
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| 16:23.55 | n-iCe | Kromgol: do a search for it? |
| 16:24.02 | n-iCe | Kromgol: apt-cache search libxm |
| 16:24.14 | Kromgol | n-iCe: I already got it installed as i said. |
| 16:25.01 | Kromgol | Nvm |
| 16:25.02 | stew | Kromgol: you'd need the -dev pacakges, like libxml2-dev |
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| 16:25.04 | Kromgol | Installed the -dev |
| 16:25.05 | Kromgol | Yeah |
| 16:25.08 | n-iCe | install dev packages |
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| 16:25.09 | Kromgol | Thanks though. |
| 16:25.12 | n-iCe | right, follow stew |
| 16:25.13 | stew | Kromgol: but why would you bother with cpan, why not just "aptitude install libxml-libxml-perl" |
| 16:25.28 | Kromgol | Less to write stew? :D |
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| 16:25.33 | stew | what? |
| 16:26.02 | Kromgol | "cpan XML::LibXML" vs "aptitude install libxml-libxml-perl"? cpan is faster to type! |
| 16:26.24 | stew | Kromgol: if you are going to use capn, i'd strongly recommend you use dh-make-perl |
| 16:26.52 | thewanderer1 | heh, a package manager within a package manager... DECEPTION :P |
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| 16:27.42 | themill | Kromgol: the "less to type" argument sort of fails when you have to also install all the dependencies for the build. |
| 16:28.02 | Kromgol | I guess so, lol. |
| 16:28.06 | wols | not to mention the time you need to diagnose problems down the road |
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| 16:28.54 | klur | could be that it is inherently slow when connecting a virtual disk image via a virtual USB disk bus to a VM? |
| 16:29.37 | ksk | could be ;) |
| 16:30.16 | thewanderer1 | try it on a virtio bus and compare |
| 16:31.13 | klur | thewandererl, I am using the virtio bus for my Linux guests but Windows doesn't support it :) |
| 16:32.33 | thewanderer1 | oh, right. why not the emulated PIIX3, then? |
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| 16:33.29 | maligor | klur, yes, you need to emulate it down to the physical hardware |
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| 16:37.14 | sgn | How do I make Xorg autostart at boot as a specific user? |
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| 16:37.40 | jaakkos | use nodm |
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| 16:37.44 | wols | sgn: usually you set the displaymanager to log in the user |
| 16:37.52 | wols | log in the user automatically that is |
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| 16:38.38 | Lenin_Cat | how do I upgrade from stable to unstable? |
| 16:39.03 | sgn | wols: No windowmanager, just gonna use xbmc |
| 16:39.25 | ksk | Lenin_Cat: guess this question is easily answered by google ;) |
| 16:39.52 | ksk | make sure you do want unstable anyways |
| 16:39.55 | wols | sgn: what has a window manager to do with a display manager? |
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| 16:40.05 | jhutchins_lt | Lenin_Cat: That's not an upgrade, that's an experiment. |
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| 16:40.09 | Lenin_Cat | ksk, its a home computer, not a server |
| 16:40.13 | Lenin_Cat | :< |
| 16:40.26 | jhutchins_lt | Lenin_Cat: If you have to ask, it will most likely result in a disaster |
| 16:40.30 | sgn | oops |
| 16:40.31 | stew | i would not suggest going to google for an answer to a question like that |
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| 16:40.38 | Lenin_Cat | but chromium=browser is out of date in the stable respatorys. |
| 16:40.38 | wols | Lenin_Cat: what ksk is saying: if you have to ask that, you don't know enough about debian to do it |
| 16:40.53 | ksk | mhm |
| 16:40.58 | ksk | i dont use a browser from any debian repo |
| 16:41.06 | ksk | maybe thats an option for you too? |
| 16:41.18 | Lenin_Cat | that it might be |
| 16:41.19 | Lenin_Cat | :P |
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| 16:41.39 | stew | Lenin_Cat: what version do you need? what does it do that the one in squeeze doesn't do? |
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| 16:42.48 | winter | o/ |
| 16:43.12 | lechienkitu | o/ |
| 16:44.08 | Lenin_Cat | stew, well the chrome web store wont let me download any extensions because its out of date. |
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| 16:45.35 | sgn | wols: the xbmc wiki suggests adding "x:5:respawn:/bin/su <YOUR_XBMC_USERNAME> -l -c "/bin/bash --login -c startx >/dev/null 2>&1"" to inittab, but I'm guessing thats for old xfree? |
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| 16:51.08 | wols | sgn: xorg is a fork of xfree |
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| 16:54.39 | sgn | wols: still, no such command as startx. replacing with xorg doesn't work :) |
| 16:54.53 | abrotman | sgn: why would it? how did you install xorg? |
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| 16:55.16 | klur | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.43 | sgn | abrotman: installed as xserver-xorg-radeon |
| 16:55.58 | abrotman | wrong |
| 16:56.00 | stew | judd: versions xserver-xorg-radeon |
| 16:56.01 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xserver-xorg-radeon' was found in i386. |
| 16:56.14 | abrotman | sgn: why not install the 'xorg' package like you're supposed to? |
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| 16:56.25 | thewanderer1 | klur: it shouldn't make a difference - if you're using hardware virtualization, your CPU is handling it anyway |
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| 16:56.48 | sgn | sorry, xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 16:56.52 | abrotman | sgn: why not install the 'xorg' package like you're supposed to? |
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| 16:57.41 | stew | sgn: that's just the video driver, not the actual server, or the other drivers you might need (like mouse, keyboard). startx is in yet another package |
| 16:58.04 | sgn | yeah, I see that now. found no usable docs for debian squeeze |
| 16:58.12 | sgn | installed xorg |
| 16:58.19 | klur | thewandererl, but I guess it's as inefficient as running a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit CPU |
| 16:58.46 | stew | klur: meaning "not at all inefficient"? |
| 16:58.47 | abrotman | sgn: and does your xmbc work now ? |
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| 16:59.29 | sgn | haven't installed xbmc yet, trying to autostart x as a user first |
| 16:59.48 | sgn | woho, x started |
| 16:59.57 | lechienkitu | gg |
| 17:00.00 | DammitJim | what window manager are you using? |
| 17:00.04 | klur | stew, I mean it's wasting resources, isn't it? When having a 64-bit CPU compute 32-bit commands... |
| 17:00.16 | wols | klur: no |
| 17:00.18 | abrotman | klur: not really |
| 17:00.20 | stew | klur: no, other way around |
| 17:00.39 | stew | klur: running 64 bits will typically use more memory to do the same task (depending on the task) |
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| 17:01.08 | thewanderer1 | klur: it is not emulating anything, all execution is native on 32-bit CPU registers that are already in your machine |
| 17:01.11 | klur | ?? so you 3 would prefer having 32-bit guests run instead of 64-bit ones? |
| 17:01.24 | abrotman | klur: do you need a 64bit guest for some reasons? |
| 17:01.25 | abrotman | reason |
| 17:01.30 | stew | depends on what they are doing, and how much memory they are using |
| 17:01.34 | klur | abrotman, no |
| 17:02.03 | wols | klur: depending on the workload yes. many programs don't need 64bit operands or >2GB virtual memory. for those 32bit is much better. for others which do need those things, 64bit is better |
| 17:02.18 | klur | I just want to have Windows and MacOS running if random people who hate UNIX want to use my PC |
| 17:02.25 | thewanderer1 | example: I use amd64 mostly because the int is bigger and for the native NX implementation |
| 17:02.34 | abrotman | is linux unix yet? |
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| 17:02.52 | klur | abrotman, I mean unix-like :) |
| 17:02.59 | wols | abrotman: no, but it does a very good job killing unix. wait a bit and it's done |
| 17:03.04 | thewanderer1 | a better question would be: since when is MacOS not UNIX, but anyway... :P |
| 17:03.21 | MrFrood | I thought it was minix-like :-/ |
| 17:03.25 | wols | thewanderer1: is IOS a unix? |
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| 17:03.40 | klur | if you call MacOS still a UNIX, it's an extremely raped version of it |
| 17:03.55 | peterrooney | klur: FakeBSD |
| 17:04.01 | klur | ^^ :) |
| 17:04.06 | MrFrood | klur: macos IS unix cetifyed |
| 17:04.17 | peterrooney | MrFrood: ONE version of it was. |
| 17:04.26 | abrotman | tries to figure what word MrFrood was trying to type |
| 17:04.44 | klur | macos is even more bullshit than Windows is! And that's an achievement |
| 17:04.51 | abrotman | and now back to Debian ... |
| 17:04.53 | lechienkitu | DammitJim: your question is for who ? Me or everybody ? |
| 17:04.56 | MrFrood | abrotman: sometimes even I'm not sure :-/ |
| 17:05.02 | DammitJim | for CLU |
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| 17:05.25 | DammitJim | actually for sgn but I think he is gone |
| 17:05.33 | lechienkitu | DammitJim: CLU ? X) |
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| 17:05.53 | DammitJim | gosh, I am so dissappointed that I can't run a linux host and a windows guest in virtualbox w/o my machine just totally crawling |
| 17:06.07 | klur | okay, so all in all, I should not use a 64-bit OS inside a VM unless I don't wish to assign more than 3-4GB of memory to it or have other exotic needs |
| 17:06.14 | DammitJim | yeah, TRON's buddy, lechienkitu |
| 17:06.34 | lechienkitu | Damianz: I'm using GNOME then :p |
| 17:06.36 | abrotman | klur: no .. you still don't quite have it |
| 17:06.41 | MrFrood | DammitJim: dos & win 3.11, it will fly |
| 17:06.50 | DammitJim | +1 MrFrood |
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| 17:06.58 | DammitJim | but I need to run Visual Studio 2010 in it :( |
| 17:07.01 | abrotman | klur: wols was trying to say that you only want 64bit if you have a process that will want more than 2GB virtual memory for that process |
| 17:07.31 | abrotman | or per a single process |
| 17:07.45 | thewanderer1 | klur: use whatever works best for you... for servers, amd64 is nice because NX can prevent some exploits, but otherwise it's no difference |
| 17:08.02 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i thought NX was still active on a 32bit OS? |
| 17:08.05 | thewanderer1 | (oh. and ZFS. ZFS hates i386.) |
| 17:08.21 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: no, that's emulation which degrades performance quite a bit |
| 17:08.53 | thewanderer1 | (AFAIK) |
| 17:09.43 | klur | abrotman, you mean I only want a 64-bit VM if I want to have at least one single process inside that VM that takes >= 2GB? |
| 17:09.52 | abrotman | yes |
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| 17:10.09 | abrotman | klur: and that's going to be rare if you're just running them as a workstation for guest users |
| 17:10.16 | abrotman | more like never |
| 17:10.33 | klur | abrotman, okay, sounds reasonable |
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| 17:10.39 | thewanderer1 | right, for desktop systems you're going to run into less problems with proprietary software (Flash!) on i386 |
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| 17:10.48 | sgn | I put "exec /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/xbmc --standalone -fs" in /home/%user%/xinitrc and now x just respawns ten times upon boot, then quits |
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| 17:11.20 | abrotman | should be an error log somewhere |
| 17:11.29 | abrotman | and it's probably /.xinitrc |
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| 17:13.02 | sgn | X starts just fine without that line. Actually /home/%user%/.xinitrc wasn't there, I just made it with that line |
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| 17:14.06 | abrotman | where did you get %uesr% from ? |
| 17:14.13 | abrotman | user |
| 17:14.54 | klur | ^^ looks a bit like Windows-style |
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| 17:15.20 | abrotman | i'm aware, that's why i'm asking |
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| 17:16.21 | sgn | i know, it's just an example :) |
| 17:17.24 | mgid | I'm trying to switch to and from a custom runlevel, and when I switch back to the default runlevel I notice that services like GDM restart. Is this supposed to happen? I just want to shutdown/start the services different between each runlevel |
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| 17:18.20 | jhutchins_lt | mgid: I don't think you can change kernels by changing runlevels. |
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| 17:18.43 | jhutchins_lt | mgid: D'Oh. Dunno why I read that as "custom kernel". |
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| 17:19.48 | Bushmills | i'd think that might be possible through kexec, when run from an init script |
| 17:20.18 | jhutchins_lt | mgid: So remove the associated K and S links. |
| 17:21.03 | jhutchins_lt | mgid: man init might be useful. |
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| 17:21.52 | sgn | OK, I have Xorg running as a dedicated user, but when I try to start xbmc AS that user I get "FEH.py: cannot connect to X server" |
| 17:22.28 | mgid | jhutchins, remove the associated S links in the default runlevel? I don't have any K/S links for GDM in my custom runlevel |
| 17:22.38 | mgid | so it confuses me as to why it's restarting |
| 17:22.54 | jhutchins_lt | man init |
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| 17:23.01 | mgid | ok |
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| 17:26.05 | mgid | jhutchins, ah so I need an S link for the services which I wish to remain running also in the custom runlevel? |
| 17:26.33 | jhutchins_lt | mgid: I'm not positive, which is why I'm pointing you at the man page. |
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| 17:27.10 | mgid | oh ok |
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| 17:28.05 | stew | mgid: are there K links for this service in either runlevel? |
| 17:29.04 | stew | mgid: note that if you just remove the S links from a runlevel (not replacing them with K links) they will reappear the package gets upgraded (man update-rc.d and look for "common system administration error") |
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| 17:29.27 | stew | mgid: also, man init doesn't really know about these things, you want the sysvinit documentation |
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| 17:29.59 | stew | mgid: try /usr/share/docs/sysv-rc/README.Debian or /usr/share/docs/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 17:31.23 | mgid | originally I had only the K links for the services I wanted to kill in the custom runlevel |
| 17:31.48 | mgid | but I just added S links for the services which I want to remain alive in the custom runlevel and now it works like I want it to |
| 17:32.14 | mgid | which the man page said to do |
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| 17:36.03 | sgn | abrotman: Thanks for all your help. Got it working now, unfortunately it seems like ATIs drivers for linux could be better... |
| 17:36.07 | kie27 | hiya all, am running debian wheezy plus the multimedia repository, i get a segfault when i try to run hugin, anybody else have this problem? |
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| 17:37.12 | abrotman | sgn: shocker |
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| 17:37.53 | lanteau | jhutchins_lt: if youre still around im on unstable |
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| 17:38.25 | sgn | Guess I'll have to go for Windows Server (swearing on the church, I know :) )... |
| 17:38.31 | sgn | *in the |
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| 17:43.04 | mar77i | hello |
| 17:44.08 | mar77i | how can I tell what has been done to package a *.deb package? |
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| 17:44.40 | twobitsprite | mar77i: you can download the source package |
| 17:44.47 | mar77i | sure |
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| 17:45.00 | twobitsprite | mar77i: /msg dselect source |
| 17:46.02 | mar77i | I don't want to duplicate efforts and want to find out if the build scripts include installation of documentation. since the documentation is on the repo, I figured I might look at code which has been used to make that package? |
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| 17:46.32 | twobitsprite | mar77i: that would all be in the source package |
| 17:46.39 | mar77i | oh |
| 17:47.04 | totte | I've got "send host-name "debianbox";" in my /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and in the web interface of my wireless D-Link router the PC is displayed as such in the clients list. I can not however use "debianbox.local" in my browser to access it (but the exact IP works), why is this? |
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| 17:47.11 | mar77i | so the source package does include more than just what I can get upstream... |
| 17:47.20 | SYN4PS3 | i have compiled and installed a new kernel and edited the menu.lst , but grub says that it couldnt find file, but the old kernel is in the same location and it works !! |
| 17:47.22 | mar77i | that somehow slipped my understanding :D |
| 17:47.37 | twobitsprite | mar77i: it includes the exact source which was used to build the .deb including the debian specific stuff |
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| 17:47.56 | tralala | mar77i: it includes upstream sources + debian specific patches & build instructions |
| 17:48.38 | twobitsprite | mar77i: in otherwords, the debian source package translates directly in to the .deb with nothing added or manipulated other than as specified in the debian source package |
| 17:48.51 | mar77i | ok ok... got it. |
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| 17:49.19 | tralala | well provided that you have the same build environment which typically isn't the case |
| 17:49.23 | twobitsprite | mar77i: I recommend you glance through the debian new maintainers guide for an overview of how debian source packages are set up and built |
| 17:49.41 | twobitsprite | mar77i: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 17:49.54 | mar77i | cool, thanks a lot |
| 17:49.59 | twobitsprite | np |
| 17:50.06 | Minkben | I made a symlink between an executable in /opt/... with link name /usr/local/bin/... but the symlink is can't be accessed without root |
| 17:50.15 | Minkben | exen though I tried chmodding it a+rx |
| 17:50.26 | twobitsprite | Minkben: what about the permissions on the executable in /opt? |
| 17:50.35 | Bushmills | Minkben: mount --bind may be preferable |
| 17:51.00 | twobitsprite | Bushmills: that only works on dirs, right? |
| 17:51.07 | Minkben | Bushmills, isn't mount --bind for directories? |
| 17:51.12 | Bushmills | yes. seemed you wanted to symlink a dir |
| 17:51.34 | tralala | Minkben: the containig directory's permissions are blocking the user access. If you fix these the link will work |
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| 17:53.03 | Bushmills | oh. "an executable" |
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| 18:02.39 | lrojas | hi all |
| 18:02.50 | twobitsprite | %wave lrojas |
| 18:02.50 | dselect | waves at lrojas |
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| 18:03.53 | lrojas | can somebody explain to me the purpose of the ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)} in the PS1 variable that i get by default after installing the system? |
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| 18:08.39 | moha | comment installer easyubuntu |
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| 18:09.22 | twobitsprite | wow, since when has debian defaulted to expiring user passwords? |
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| 18:10.59 | stew | moha: anglais seulement en ici ; pour l'aide pour ubuntu en francais, utiliser #ubuntu-fr |
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| 18:15.59 | tharkun | stew: je ne sais pas que tu parle en francais |
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| 18:17.08 | tralala | ,fr |
| 18:17.10 | lechienkitu | he uses google translate :p |
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| 18:17.33 | twobitsprite | %fr |
| 18:17.33 | dselect | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 18:17.35 | lechienkitu | moha: t'es pas sur le bon chan |
| 18:17.59 | lechienkitu | surtout que tu veux une distrib qui n'est pas debian et ici ils traitent que debian |
| 18:18.13 | lechienkitu | Donc, comme dit plus haut /join #ubuntu-fr |
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| 18:18.47 | lechienkitu | Finally, it is good of speak french :p |
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| 18:19.17 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: Doesn't. |
| 18:20.33 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: well, I was just told my password was expired and had to change it... I am on wheezy, and I was messing with password expiration on other systems |
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| 18:20.49 | twobitsprite | it is possible I accidentally changed it on my laptop, but I think I would have noticed... |
| 18:21.11 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: Sounds like mollyguard would be a good package for you. |
| 18:21.44 | scampbell | personally, when something odd happens right in the vein of what I was just messing with (despite having believe I didn't do it on -that- computer)... I generally blame me :) |
| 18:22.13 | twobitsprite | scampbell: yeah, but I don't know how I wouldn't have noticed a dozen or so users not showing up in /etc/shadow :P |
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| 18:22.36 | twobitsprite | unless I did it while drunk on the 4th and blacked it out! :P |
| 18:22.47 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: I think if wheezy had decided to expire passwords that quickly we'd have heard about it here by now. |
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| 18:23.01 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: yeah, you're probably right... |
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| 18:23.07 | scampbell | I use the old standby "I just washed my hands and I can't do a thing with them" |
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| 18:28.28 | queso | Are backports considered "stable"? If I'm using something from backports, will it receive all necessary security updates? |
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| 18:29.00 | queso | Oh, ha, the FAQ answers my second question. So I guess that answers my first question. |
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| 18:30.20 | DammitJim | man, why is it that regular expressions don't look that regular to me? |
| 18:30.38 | stew | DammitJim: because you aren't a turing machine? |
| 18:30.57 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 18:32.36 | scampbell | It's regular... like being dietary regular... looks like that :) |
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| 18:33.21 | lrojas | how come \h and \H both produce the same output? what do i need to change to have it report the hostname.tld |
| 18:34.02 | lrojas | given machine.hostname.tld, how can i get hostname.tld instead of machine |
| 18:34.15 | jhutchins_lt | lrojas: From what? |
| 18:34.26 | lrojas | PS1 Prompt |
| 18:34.34 | jhutchins_lt | lrojas: Bash? |
| 18:34.39 | lrojas | yup |
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| 18:37.04 | lrojas | jhutchins_lt: ?? |
| 18:37.39 | jhutchins_lt | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ |
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| 18:39.50 | B4ckBOne | i have just installed wheezy without deskop, then istalled xfce4 and gdm but now keyboard and mouse are not working in xfce. What do i have to install to get it working again? |
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| 18:40.32 | B4ckBOne | any help would be much apreciated. |
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| 18:42.04 | lrojas | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
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| 18:42.33 | jhutchins_lt | B4ckBOne: Do they work in the console? |
| 18:42.47 | jhutchins_lt | B4ckBOne: Do they work if you start in the console and launch X from there? |
| 18:42.48 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: yes, right now keyboard is |
| 18:42.57 | jhutchins_lt | B4ckBOne: Is there anything in Xorg.0.log? |
| 18:43.10 | derric | Stew: gphoto2 failed to detect the Canon FS100 Camcorder |
| 18:44.07 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: normal boot boots into gdm without mouse or keyboard, so i booted into singel usermode .. installed irssi, came here |
| 18:44.51 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: Xorg.0.log is filled with things. |
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| 18:44.59 | jhutchins_lt | So launch X, see if the problem is X or gdm. |
| 18:46.38 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: how do i boot into multiuser mode without gdm ? |
| 18:46.53 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: right now im in single user mode. |
| 18:47.24 | mathezula | B4ckBOne, you can see which runlevels are for what in /etc/inittab |
| 18:47.33 | B4ckBOne | mathezula: thanks |
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| 19:00.55 | totte | Is reaching a LAN server by foo.local in a web browser a Bonjour/Zeroconf thing? |
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| 19:02.24 | megaTherion | hi |
| 19:02.32 | megaTherion | what do I need to configure in Debian to get WPA2? |
| 19:03.21 | megaTherion | I've googled already + a different machine which has all settings (no debian though), I've enabled wpa2 already on command line (via wpa_supplicant) but debian doesnt seem to take it |
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| 19:06.18 | Kharec | 'soir |
| 19:06.22 | Kharec | oops |
| 19:06.27 | Kharec | good evening ;) |
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| 19:07.42 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins: so im back :-/ i tried installing xserver-xorg-input-mouse and keyboard, but that did not work |
| 19:07.49 | valdyn | totte: yes |
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| 19:08.15 | totte | valdyn: Thanks. :) |
| 19:08.18 | jhambo | I'm running XP guest in virtualbox on a Squeeze host. From the XP guest I want to "burn" to a CD image (rather than a physical CD). Is that possible? |
| 19:08.29 | valdyn | totte: mdns I think |
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| 19:08.49 | wols | jhambo: every CD burning program can burn to image under XP. |
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| 19:09.42 | wols | jhambo: that is a function of your cd burning program, not the VM (which cannot let you burn on the host cd writer) |
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| 19:10.50 | valdyn | I think he means to use a viritual cdrom drive as a burner - but thats silly |
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| 19:12.58 | jhutchins_lt | B4ckBOne: So look toward the end of Xorg.0.log, start X manually and see what happens, find out what wierd hardware you're running that GDM doesn't automatically recognize, try xdm instead of gdm, or nodm |
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| 19:14.21 | jhambo | wols: valdyn: the program I'm using can burn an audio cd but it wont burn to iso. But I guess if the guest cant burn to the host cd writer, then I'm out of luck... to trick the guest into thinking that an iso file was an actual cd that it could then burn to... |
| 19:14.23 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: i think the problem is that im missing some xorg package. Because i did not install desktop environment, but only xfce4 and gdm |
| 19:15.00 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: im testing different things by "service gdm start && sleep 10 && service gdm stop" |
| 19:15.11 | jhutchins_lt | B4ckBOne: The log should show you what it thinks is wrong, and that doesn't change anything I said. |
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| 19:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | B4ckBOne: Have you started X without gdm? |
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| 19:18.34 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: just started x without gdm and were stuck with no keyboard reaction no mouse --> reboot |
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| 19:19.28 | valdyn | jhambo: cd-audio is not an iso, it cannot be burnt to iso |
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| 19:20.15 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: jhutchins_lt is ther a terminal based pastebin poster in debian wheezy, so i could show you my Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 19:21.12 | valdyn | jhambo: a bin/cue set can contain an audio cd and im sure theres more formats from the various burning tools, but iso equivalent |
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| 19:21.21 | jham | argh... |
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| 19:21.29 | valdyn | jhambo: a bin/cue set can contain an audio cd and im sure theres more formats from the various burning tools, but iso is not equivalent |
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| 19:22.47 | valdyn | jhambo: so an audio cd cannot directly map to a file |
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| 19:25.24 | jhambo | valdyn: hmmm so it's not possible to create an image of an audio cd? |
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| 19:27.44 | B4ckBOne | So i installed wheezy without desktop doing a netinstall. then installed xfce4 and gdm, but now i have no mouse and no keyboard in both gdm + xfce. And i cant find anything wrong in Xorg.0.log. Can sb help? |
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| 19:28.24 | blackshirt | hello, can we build chroot environment on gui system ? |
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| 19:28.51 | somiaj | odd behavior I'm trying to track down with wireless. I am connencting to a large university network via multiple IP's. If is use the interfaces file I never get a response back from dhcp. If I use wicd (a network manager) I connect just fine. The odd part is once I use wicd, I can disconenct, and turn off wicd then I can connect and disconect just fine with ifup/ifdown from my settings in my interfaces file alias....so what is wicd doing |
| 19:28.59 | jhutchins_lt | B4ckBOne: I use lynx, there's also pastebinit, but you should read the stuff in the log, particularly toward the end. Look for errors, look for input devices. |
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| 19:29.27 | somiaj | blackshirt: what do you mean? Yes you can run things in a chroot enviroment in your current xorg session provided its setup corect. |
| 19:30.18 | somiaj | B4ckBOne: xorg detects most that stuff automatically and disables any keyboard/mouse entries in your xorg.conf file unless you give it an option not to. I had that issue take away my mouse/keyboard on an upgrade a while back. Though I easily found the issue in the Xorg.log file |
| 19:30.21 | jhutchins_lt | B4ckBOne: I didn't realize you were trying this in wheezy, I think that might be a known problem. #debian-next on oftc.net is the right place for wheezy support. |
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| 19:31.34 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/QAJSTknV thats the Xorg.0.log, and i did one gdm start and stop |
| 19:31.56 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: wicd is running dhcpcd, which is getting the address and keeping it when you up/down the interface. You are probably not setting the interface to use dhcp in the interfaces file. |
| 19:32.03 | B4ckBOne | somiaj: i dont have a xorg.conf , is that bad? |
| 19:32.04 | blackshirt | somiaj: thanks for a response.. I mean, I want login as a user and lock down on chrooted env.. can you show me some links for me to learn ? |
| 19:32.07 | jhutchins_lt | B4ckBOne: Have you tried just starting X yet? |
| 19:32.29 | stew | B4ckBOne: how is the mouse connected? |
| 19:32.51 | B4ckBOne | jhutchins_lt: yes "startx" starts xfce4 but keyboard and mouse are disabled .. so im stuck .. only choice is to reboot then. |
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| 19:33.18 | B4ckBOne | stew: via usb ... works in other distros very well ... tried crunchbang .. fedora ... knoppix |
| 19:33.26 | lrojas | what is the best way to add my user to the sudo group? |
| 19:33.33 | stew | B4ckBOne: does unplugging it and replugging it make it start workign? |
| 19:33.41 | stew | lrojas: adduser username sudo |
| 19:33.43 | B4ckBOne | stew: nope |
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| 19:34.20 | scampbell | IrojaS: see 'man usermod' |
| 19:34.27 | lrojas | stew: the user already exists tho... unless adduser behaves in a way i am not familiar with |
| 19:34.29 | stew | B4ckBOne: but the keyboard and mouse continue to work outside of X? |
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| 19:34.40 | stew | lrojas: yes, the user must already exist for that command to work |
| 19:35.07 | somiaj | blackshirt: in that case it sounds like you need to run the whole gui enviorment in the chroot |
| 19:35.13 | scampbell | Irojas: so like usermod -a -G sudo myuser |
| 19:35.46 | B4ckBOne | stew: dont know, because im stuck in gdm or xfce then ... i tried with "service gdm start && sleep 10 && service stop gdm" which brings up gdm for 10 sec, then stops gdm and im back to terminal with mouse support |
| 19:35.51 | blackshirt | somiaj: yeah, I think like that :d .. is it possible ? |
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| 19:36.25 | stew | B4ckBOne: does /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist? |
| 19:36.33 | B4ckBOne | stew: no |
| 19:36.35 | lrojas | scampbell: thnaks |
| 19:36.39 | B4ckBOne | stew: does it have to? |
| 19:36.54 | stew | B4ckBOne: no, but you might try creating one with "X -configure" and see if the generated one works better |
| 19:37.07 | B4ckBOne | stew: ok ill check |
| 19:37.37 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: no it uses dhcp just fine (and connects to small networks with dhcp no problem) it is just large university networks I have troubles with. http://paste.debian.net/122246/ -- my interfaces entry |
| 19:37.40 | scampbell | B4ckBOne: I don't recall it exactly but along Stew's suggestion. There is some config you can do to use the existing gpm for you mouse input. That might be of some use as yo progress. |
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| 19:38.07 | somiaj | blackshirt: sure, just have to make sure all the binaries/libaries/config files are in the chroot required to run everything you want. |
| 19:38.30 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: You don't appear to have the encryption set there. |
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| 19:38.46 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: no encryption, its an open network |
| 19:38.51 | B4ckBOne | scampbell: thanks, but id dont have a clue which config your are talking ab out |
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| 19:39.10 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: If you're connecting to multiple networks, using wicd or network-manager is usually easier than trying to do it through interfaces. |
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| 19:39.20 | blackshirt | somiaj: it sounds like very difficult task to do .. |
| 19:39.39 | lrojas | sorry to keep pestering, i added my user to the sudo group, but it still says i can't run sudo on this machine.... |
| 19:39.56 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: yea the wirless driver for this card is terrible, so wicd lags my whole computer and crashes it, so I'm just trying to avoid having to use it for the initial connenction before I disable to to give myself stability |
| 19:39.59 | jhutchins_lt | lrojas: Did you log out and log back in? |
| 19:40.16 | lrojas | nope |
| 19:40.21 | lrojas | let me try that |
| 19:40.23 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: Try network-manager then. It often works better than wicd. |
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| 19:40.36 | jhutchins_lt | lrojas: Required to add the new group. |
| 19:40.57 | lrojas | understood, tested it, works now |
| 19:40.59 | lrojas | :) |
| 19:41.08 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: not the solution I was looking for. Wicd is doing something that I'm missing I'll keep searching around to figure out what it is. |
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| 19:44.08 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: ifup/ifdown doesn't run dhcp. |
| 19:44.32 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: /etc/init.d/networking restart does. |
| 19:44.44 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: ps ax | grep dhcp |
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| 19:45.12 | B4ckBOne | stew: X -configure gives me an error: (EE) [drm] NO DRICreatePCIBusID symbol \ Number of created screeens does not match number of detected devices |
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| 19:45.20 | B4ckBOne | stew: any clue what that means? |
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| 19:46.21 | EM03 | I'm getting a gcc can't build executeables |
| 19:46.30 | EM03 | aptitude install build-essential |
| 19:46.33 | EM03 | whats the deal? |
| 19:46.45 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: then why does it get a dhcp request just fine from other small encrpted networks but not this large open network? I checked that, all I have is dhclient running which I belive was started when I ifup -- but I'll do some more testing to try to clear the lease (: |
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| 19:47.53 | B4ckBOne | so i see .. im not welcome here .. cu |
| 19:48.15 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: Well, I don't know then. You could always run tcpdump and see what's actually happening on the interface. |
| 19:48.33 | themill | EM03: what happens when you run "aptitude install build-essential"? |
| 19:49.26 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: yea, I just ifdown the device, and it completely lost the dhcp lease and no instance of dhcp running, then ifup wlan0=foo worked just fine. Its only right after I boot that it doesn't work, without first connencting via wicd. Oh well its a minor issue I'll keep pecking at, but gots to get back to real work. |
| 19:49.53 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: thanks for the suggestions/support. |
| 19:50.24 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: iface foo auto! |
| 19:50.44 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: or iface foo allow hotplug! |
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| 19:51.03 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: that isn't it, oh allow hotplug, I'll look that up. |
| 19:51.15 | thewanderer1 | hey, what interface will dnsmasq's built-in TFTP server listen on? |
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| 19:52.41 | thewanderer1 | I want only TFTP to be running on a given interface, without DHCP |
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| 19:53.19 | EM03 | themill: it installed |
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| 19:54.04 | ectospasm | hmmm... aptitude reports one (1) update available, but aptitude full-upgrade doesn't install it. Is there any way to determine what package can be upgraded, but isn't being upgraded? |
| 19:55.19 | EM03 | checking for gcc... gcc |
| 19:55.19 | EM03 | checking whether the C compiler works... no |
| 19:55.23 | EM03 | what in the world is this? |
| 19:55.27 | EM03 | never had this happen before ever |
| 19:56.59 | ectospasm | EM03: IIRC, that means GCC isn't fully installed. |
| 19:57.23 | ectospasm | EM03: did you install build-essential? |
| 19:57.44 | EM03 | yea I got some broken packages |
| 19:57.47 | EM03 | blah |
| 19:58.59 | themill | EM03: so what exactly was the output of "aptitude install build-essential"? |
| 19:59.17 | EM03 | libc is broken depends on some other version so it can't download it or something |
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| 19:59.51 | themill | EM03: please start providing the exact output in a pastebin. My crystal ball isn't working so well tonight. |
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| 20:00.03 | themill | %tell EM03 about pastebin |
| 20:00.22 | EM03 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:01.46 | lahwran | I'm on lenny, I'd like to upgrade to something above squeeze. how should I go about this? |
| 20:01.52 | lahwran | just upgrade to sqeeze and call it good? |
| 20:02.02 | rascal912 | simple network, 192.168.1.36 and 192.168.1.254. can ssh to 254 from 36, but can't wget to 36 from 254 (no route to host?) |
| 20:02.21 | rascal912 | no iptables, no selinux |
| 20:02.25 | rascal912 | can't ssh either |
| 20:02.30 | rascal912 | can pingg |
| 20:02.41 | themill | lahwran: upgrading from lenny to squeeze is straightforward enough if you follow the upgrade notes; /msg dselect lenny->squeeze |
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| 20:03.18 | Bushmills | rascal912: probably configuration |
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| 20:04.00 | rascal912 | Bushmills: routes and mask is the same |
| 20:04.02 | rascal912 | icmp works |
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| 20:19.31 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:26.13 | adminewb | I'm confused about use of debian keyring for trusted package sources. I've found a key ID table entry for a debian maintainer for a downloaded source package. What is the normal way to add the key? What file names and locations are used by convention? |
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| 20:26.46 | psiklops | hi. i want to create a iso file made up of a few folders from different partitions... can i create a primary folder and link these folders to it |
| 20:26.49 | psiklops | ( $ ln -s Folders/data* ISO-Folder ) and successfully create the iso-file with all the data i want.: for example with genisoimage |
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| 20:32.47 | adminewb | http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt this tells all one needs to know about keyring usage & package security? |
| 20:33.26 | kingsley | How would you rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/status, especially its "Architecture:" tags? |
| 20:34.19 | stew | %status |
| 20:34.19 | dselect | Since Mon Jul 4 23:01:53 2011, there have been 0 modifications, 49 questions, 18 dunnos, 0 morons and 13 commands. I have been awake for 2d 21h 32m 26s this session, and currently reference 39449 factoids. I'm using about 17728 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 62.73/2.8 child 0/0 |
| 20:34.49 | stew | that's not what I wanted |
| 20:34.54 | stew | oh, status? i was thinking available |
| 20:35.04 | stew | kingsley: why would it need to be rebuilt? |
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| 20:35.34 | kingsley | stew: Thanks for asking. |
| 20:35.46 | kingsley | stew: It turns out there's a bug. |
| 20:35.51 | kingsley | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620958 |
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| 20:37.49 | babilen | kingsley: Why don't you follow the advice given there? (Purge the packages) |
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| 20:39.12 | kingsley | babilen: I'm hoping another workaround would let me retain configurations. |
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| 20:40.31 | babilen | kingsley: Can't you just backup them? From the short look at the bug I have the impression that this concerns ancient packages whose configuration is likely to be severely outdated already. Why do you want to keep the configuration of not-installed and ancient packages? |
| 20:41.29 | lapsusbrutus | anyone knows how well "WD Green Power" disks works in a linux sw raid? |
| 20:41.41 | kingsley | babilen: I may owe you an apology for being too terse. |
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| 20:42.32 | kingsley | In my case, over 1000 package summaries in /var/lib/dpkg/status are affected by the bug. |
| 20:42.42 | BrixSat | hello, i have a site and it has a lot of users and it makes the machine not respond to all with all the accesses (overloaded) how can i make with a second machine reduce the overload of the first one? |
| 20:43.15 | stew | BrixSat: how is it being accessed? |
| 20:43.38 | BrixSat | http and icecast for audio streaming |
| 20:44.01 | stew | BrixSat: are the http connections short lived? |
| 20:44.14 | stew | BrixSat: which web server are you suing? |
| 20:44.16 | stew | using* |
| 20:44.21 | BrixSat | stew: major yes |
| 20:45.00 | BrixSat | stew: the audio streaming is trought icecast and it is an average 2 hour listening |
| 20:45.21 | kingsley | babilen: My recollection is that when I surveyed the corrupt entries yesterday, some were for installed packages. As you might imagine, upgrading hundreds of packages can be disruptive on the unstable distribution. |
| 20:45.48 | babilen | kingsley: And "aptitude search ~c|wc -l" gives you what? Sorry, but you have to understand that you probably know more about this particular problem than me or stew right now. By cross-reading the bug report I had the impression that this problem mainly concerns ancient packages on old systems. |
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| 20:46.28 | stew | BrixSat: do you know what causese the machine not to repond? is it too much io? is it a lack of http server threads? |
| 20:47.04 | stew | kingsley: what is an example an installed package (and version) that has this problem? |
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| 20:47.15 | babilen | kingsley: You can probably just reinstall the installed packages, and purge the ~c ones. -- I would also like to mention that we now have a specific channel for wheezy/sid users on irc.oftc.net now called #debian-next |
| 20:47.35 | kingsley | babilen: $ aptitude search ~c|wc -l reported 589. |
| 20:47.36 | BrixSat | well it starts by incrising normaly the ram i have lighttpd totaly tuned and the site has cache enabled |
| 20:47.57 | babilen | kingsley: Could you please post an excerpt of the status file for some of the affected packages and the output of "apt-cache policy PKG1...PKGN" for them to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 20:48.02 | kingsley | stew: I'll try to dig up my notes. Hold on... |
| 20:48.14 | themill | kingsley: purging those packages would be an appropriate course of action at this stage |
| 20:48.44 | babilen | kingsley: Ok, those 589 are candidates for purging. I would highly recommend to do that. You might want to create a backup of your system (/etc in particular) first though. |
| 20:50.21 | kingsley | stew: Unless I'm mistaken, 727 packages installed on my computer are affected by the bug in dpkg. |
| 20:50.34 | stew | kingsley: can you give me an example of one? |
| 20:50.41 | stew | and what version of that package you have? |
| 20:51.13 | themill | kingsley: only very very old packages should be causing these problems. It would be handy if you could provide more data. |
| 20:51.24 | kingsley | stew: Some of them are, in no particular order: libbonobo2, rexima, telnet, etc... |
| 20:51.43 | stew | kingsley: can you pastebin the output of "grep-status -P telnet" ? |
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| 20:52.13 | stew | judd: versions libbonobo2 |
| 20:52.14 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libbonobo2' was found in i386. |
| 20:52.48 | themill | %obsolete |
| 20:52.48 | dselect | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
| 20:52.49 | kingsley | babilen: Thanks for the heads up on #debian-next. I joined it. |
| 20:53.08 | themill | kingsley: ^^ cleaning out some obsolete packages would also be an appropriate thing to do |
| 20:53.09 | stew | heh, i was just trying to figure out why aptitude search '~O' was returning so many results for me :) |
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| 20:55.04 | babilen | stew: ~o ;) |
| 20:55.09 | stew | yes :) |
| 20:55.29 | themill | babilen: funny smiley with punk haircut? |
| 20:55.49 | babilen | heh |
| 20:56.02 | babilen | õ should work :) |
| 20:56.20 | stew | and then I wouldn't have to quote it for zsh |
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| 20:56.38 | stew | which I wouldn't have to do if i were less lazy enough to figure out how to tell it to relax about ~ |
| 20:56.40 | themill | that would be a fantastic improvement to the aptitude search syntax, actually... |
| 20:56.44 | babilen | kingsley: Please provide some data and let us know *why* you don't consider purging these obsolete packages an option. |
| 20:57.03 | babilen | themill: It started as a jest, but I actually like it a lot as well. |
| 20:57.48 | lapsusbrutus | find . -name *.rar$ any way to use regular expressions with find? this dont work |
| 20:57.53 | babilen | themill: The problem is that this makes tokenisation a bit harder, but lets take this to #d-ot in time. |
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| 20:58.02 | themill | ñ ã are good too. ~b, ~R are problematic.... |
| 20:58.16 | babilen | right |
| 20:58.38 | stew | lapsusbrutus: that would be an invalid regex, '-name \*.rar" would do what you seem to be trying to do |
| 20:58.57 | thewanderer1 | um, it's not actually a regex, I believe it's a glob pattern |
| 20:58.58 | stew | lapsusbrutus: but to answer your actual question, there is -regex |
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| 21:00.00 | lapsusbrutus | find |grep -i .rar$ this is what I want, ok so I just use regex instead of name? |
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| 21:00.09 | babilen | lapsusbrutus: Try "man find<CR> /regex" |
| 21:00.26 | stew | lapsusbrutus: "find -name \*.rar" |
| 21:00.36 | kingsley | babilen: I've done as you asked and posted the excerpt and output at http://paste.debian.net/122253/ |
| 21:00.39 | arosen1 | Anyone see what's wrong with this source list? http://pastebin.com/TzC1DZzv |
| 21:01.03 | kingsley | babilen: Note that the status file is missing "Architecture: " tags. That's the bug. |
| 21:01.18 | themill | ,versions telnet |
| 21:01.19 | judd | Package telnet on i386 -- lenny: 0.17-36; sid: 0.17-36; squeeze: 0.17-36; wheezy: 0.17-36 |
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| 21:01.31 | thewanderer1 | arosen1: AFAICT, the file is fine, but your network connectivity is not... |
| 21:01.45 | themill | kingsley: you're running a snapshot of sid from how many years ago? |
| 21:02.15 | stew | netkit-telnet (0.14-5) unstable; urgency=low - -- Herbert Xu <herbert@debian.org> Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:53:08 +1000 |
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| 21:02.43 | stew | so that telnet package is almost 12 years old |
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| 21:03.45 | themill | ,uploader telnet 0.14-5 |
| 21:03.47 | judd | Package netkit-telnet version 0.14-5 was uploaded by Herbert Xu on 1999-09-11, last changed by and maintained by Herbert Xu. |
| 21:03.48 | themill | ,uploader telnet 0.14-6 |
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| 21:03.51 | judd | Package netkit-telnet version 0.14-6 was uploaded by Herbert Xu on 1999-09-21, last changed by and maintained by Herbert Xu. |
| 21:04.07 | kingsley | themill: I'm open to your suggestion of cleaning out some obsolete packages, and I find myself wondering how to identify them. Do you happen to know how? |
| 21:04.20 | stew | kingsley: with aptitude's ~o |
| 21:04.21 | Bop | anyone with vmware player in testing, working ? |
| 21:04.30 | themill | kingsley: what dselect said, but I'd say that you really need to do a lot of work on that box |
| 21:04.31 | stew | kingsley: but... i don't think we realized how out of date this machine was |
| 21:04.44 | stew | does 1999 pre-date testing? |
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| 21:05.13 | stew | yes, it does |
| 21:06.56 | stew | so upgrade to potato then woody then sarge then lenny then etch then squeeze? :) |
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| 21:09.12 | kingsley | You might be interested to know that this computer has been upgraded since 1996, and mostly with commands like "apt-get install <package>". |
| 21:10.28 | kingsley | It seems to me that it's an experiment that provides feedback on the accuracy of Debian's remarkable package dependency scheme. |
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| 21:11.15 | babilen | stew: How did you acquire that information? (The netkit-telnet (0.14 ... ) |
| 21:11.17 | babilen | ) |
| 21:11.33 | stew | babilen: aptitude changelog netkit-telnet |
| 21:11.38 | babilen | stew: ta! |
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| 21:12.09 | stew | (it works with the binary package name as well) |
| 21:12.11 | kingsley | needs to go soon... |
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| 21:12.39 | stew | kingsley: well you need to decide what you intend to do with this box, and how much effort you are willing to put in before we can recommend what you do |
| 21:13.04 | babilen | kingsley: Well, to be honest ... Your system is *severely* outdated. I would recommend a new install. Or a "apt-get dist-upgrade" and prayers to the $DEITY |
| 21:13.12 | stew | kingsley: if it is to get it up to date with the safest possible method it really is going to be "upgrade to potato then woody then sarge then lenny then etch then squeeze" |
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| 21:13.42 | stew | doing a dist-upgrade and ending up with a bootable kernel is going to be a possible challenge |
| 21:13.58 | stew | kingsley: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:14.34 | kingsley | stew: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 21:14.47 | stew | oh, then perhaps not so bad |
| 21:14.47 | twobitsprite | ,kernels |
| 21:14.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (3.0.0~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 21:15.12 | twobitsprite | at least you kept relatively up to date on kernels |
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| 21:15.49 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/status, especially its "Architecture:" tags? |
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| 21:16.48 | twobitsprite | kingsley: I suspect this is not going to be a simple solution... any reason you can't reinstall from a squeeze installer? |
| 21:17.06 | kingsley | twobitsprite: It has been my experience that debian can simultaneously run new and old code. |
| 21:17.30 | equivoc | hi |
| 21:17.55 | equivoc | I have PHP Version 5.2.6-1+lenny13 on my debian server |
| 21:17.58 | twobitsprite | sure, it's possible it will happen to work in many cases, but it's not advisable... especially when we're talking about 15 years difference |
| 21:18.27 | equivoc | what's the best and most secure way to upgrade to PHP5.3? |
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| 21:19.06 | twobitsprite | equivoc: what version of debian are you on... and what do you mean "secure"? |
| 21:19.23 | kingsley | twobitsprite: Anything is possible. I would only suggest, however, that truly understanding a problem first often leads to a faster solution than a "quick upgrade". |
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| 21:19.33 | stew | kingsley: what is it you don't understand about the problem? |
| 21:19.35 | equivoc | twobitsprite: 2.6.18-028stab089.1 #1 SMP Thu Apr 14 13:46:04 MSD 2011 |
| 21:19.46 | equivoc | twobitsprite: without breaking the installation |
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| 21:20.03 | stew | kingsley: the information dpkg wants was not supplied by the ancient packages you had/have installed on your machine |
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| 21:20.15 | stew | kingsley: for some of these packages, tracking down original versions might be near impossible |
| 21:20.38 | twobitsprite | equivoc: looks like an old version... I'd recommend upgrading debian to squeeze... do you know what release of debian you're on? |
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| 21:21.06 | equivoc | twobitsprite: i'm afraid not, any hints for me how to check this? |
| 21:21.08 | babilen | kingsley: I do not quite understand *why* you are administrating the system in the way you are doing it. Running software that is that old and completely unsupported is absolutely not advisable. You might be able to upgrade your system to squeeze, but that probably is a lot of work. What is the problem with installing squeeze and just starting over? You will *not* get the information that is required these days from the package versions you have ... |
| 21:21.14 | babilen | ... installed. The sensible thing to do (apart from reinstalling) is to purge those ~c packages and upgrade the rest. |
| 21:21.18 | stew | kingsley: i suppose what you need to do is to, for each package with this problem, find the original package, determine if it was an Architecture: i386 or Architecture: all package, then edit the status file |
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| 21:21.34 | stew | kingsley: "find the original package" may be impossible for some of these packages |
| 21:21.44 | twobitsprite | equivoc: check /etc/apt/sources.list, you should see something like "etch" or "potato" |
| 21:21.47 | kingsley | stew: It seems to me that any course of action can result in a future that's hard to predict, especially when it involves a forecast. :-) |
| 21:21.57 | lapsusbrutus | what disks are better for raid, the ones that are good for recording video or the ones that are more fail safe? the failsafe ones i guess? |
| 21:22.03 | twobitsprite | equivoc: it'll be after the URL |
| 21:22.11 | stew | kingsley: note that /var/lib/dpkg/status should not be editted by hand |
| 21:22.16 | peterrooney | I sense I stepped in to the middle of someone re-inventing the wall. |
| 21:22.28 | equivoc | twobitsprite: it's lenny |
| 21:23.18 | twobitsprite | equivoc: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 21:23.31 | twobitsprite | equivoc: that'll give you a good idea how to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 21:23.56 | kingsley | stew: Your suggestion of discerning whether each problematic package should be "i386" or "all" also occurred to me. |
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| 21:25.17 | kingsley | stew: Maybe we agree that deciding whether to use "i386" or "all" is the hard part. |
| 21:25.20 | equivoc | twobitsprite: thanks :) |
| 21:25.25 | twobitsprite | np |
| 21:25.31 | stew | kingsley: i don't |
| 21:25.54 | kingsley | stew: Having said that, I'm not convinced it even matters, especially for old packages. |
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| 21:27.44 | kingsley | stew: Please elaborate on the risks you perceive from editing the status file by hand. |
| 21:28.11 | stew | kingsley: you might screw it up |
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| 21:28.37 | kingsley | stew: Heh |
| 21:28.46 | peterrooney | kingsley: messing up that file make your system un-de-hoseable |
| 21:29.18 | kingsley | peterrooney: Wharbat darbid yarbou sarbay? |
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| 21:29.50 | streuner | kingsley: speak english |
| 21:30.32 | peterrooney | A mistake there can lead to results as disasterous as mistakes in the sudoers file. |
| 21:31.14 | peterrooney | actually, sudoers errors might be correctable via a rescue reboot. |
| 21:31.59 | twobitsprite | peterrooney: sudoers file mistakes aren't that disasterous. At worst you won't be able to run sudo and you'll have gaping security holes |
| 21:32.04 | babilen | peterrooney: Or just by logging in as root. |
| 21:32.11 | andh | Hi people. I'd like to install debian. My computer has no floppy drive, no cd drive and i can't boot from a usb-stick although the bios can see usb-sticks. Grub is already installed. How can I use grub to boot from my usbstick? |
| 21:32.15 | twobitsprite | babilen: shh :P |
| 21:32.28 | babilen | twobitsprite: heh |
| 21:32.47 | stew | when he screws up status, our tricks for "recreate the status file" won't work since some of his packages are no longer available from any source |
| 21:32.57 | streuner | dpkg, rube goldberg install |
| 21:33.10 | peterrooney | dselect, rube goldberg install |
| 21:33.11 | dselect | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 21:33.23 | streuner | peterrooney: thanks |
| 21:33.47 | peterrooney | streuner: np. it borked me, for the first week without dpkg |
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| 21:34.12 | twobitsprite | andh: how did you ever get anything installed on it in the first place? |
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| 21:34.31 | andh | i got the computer from a friend |
| 21:34.42 | twobitsprite | andh: how did they install anything on it? |
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| 21:35.08 | andh | well the cd drive worked some years ago. |
| 21:35.11 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 21:35.20 | twobitsprite | does your bios support pxe boot? |
| 21:35.37 | twobitsprite | (and do you have another machine to pxe boot from? |
| 21:35.39 | twobitsprite | ) |
| 21:35.44 | andh | mom |
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| 21:36.47 | twobitsprite | I can't tell if you just asked for your mother or if that's supposed to be some kind of emoticon |
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| 21:37.33 | andh | mhm i do not really know |
| 21:37.37 | peterrooney | twobitsprite: a "crocodile running straight at you" emoticon? |
| 21:38.03 | twobitsprite | peterrooney: I was picturing someone with giant, corrugated shoulder pads |
| 21:38.18 | thinice | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:39.42 | twobitsprite | andh: well... it seems there are a few hits on google for "boot usb from grub" which may be relevant.... |
| 21:39.54 | andh | twobitsprite: yeah i tried them |
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| 21:41.36 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to date the oldest and newest packages installed on a given system? |
| 21:41.54 | kingsley | really needs to go soon... |
| 21:42.11 | andh | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB i just don't find my usbstick |
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| 21:42.22 | twobitsprite | wonders if really old versions of apt-get/aptitude kept installation logs |
| 21:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | andh: What do you mean you don't find it? |
| 21:43.43 | andh | i think grub doesn't see my usb stick |
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| 21:44.14 | twobitsprite | andh: it's possible your grub needs drivers to see the usb drive |
| 21:44.41 | andh | but it's a quite new version |
| 21:44.44 | andh | 1.98 |
| 21:45.00 | PZt | i am having a lot of issues with my upgrade from lenny to squeeze the first error i am running into is "file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 10400 package 'avg75fld': error in Version string '7.5.47_a1025': invalid character in version number" and it is blocking dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc from working |
| 21:45.58 | andh | ls says: (hd0) <some hd0 partitions> and (fd0) (although i have no floppy drive) |
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| 21:46.42 | twobitsprite | I wonder if your BIOS presents the usb drive as a flobby at first boot *shrug* |
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| 21:47.43 | jhutchins_lt | andh: Do you have the most recent update for your BIOS? |
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| 21:48.41 | wols | %tell PZt about available |
| 21:49.14 | wols | twobitsprite: no they didn't |
| 21:49.22 | andh | well the computer is not very old. he is quite fast, but booting from usbsticks and reading cd roms in general doesn't work any more. |
| 21:49.53 | lapsusbrutus | hmm just realized that my plans for storage always fail.. planned that 2 tera would be enough for years.. now 2 tera isnt enough,,wow, I remeber when running around with 720kb floppies and thinking that was a lot.. |
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| 21:50.37 | andh | andh last post: he or it? |
| 21:50.53 | streuner | lapsusbrutus: remove pr0n, and everything is ok :-P |
| 21:51.09 | lapsusbrutus | :p |
| 21:51.10 | MrFrood | gives lapsusbrutus a stack of blank punch cards |
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| 21:52.11 | lapsusbrutus | ohh the punch cards :D |
| 21:52.35 | jhutchins_lt | Paper Tape. |
| 21:52.46 | MrFrood | jhutchins_lt: mmmm |
| 21:52.47 | equivoc | twobitsprite: where can i find the info about upgrading to squeeze again? |
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| 21:52.57 | jhutchins_lt | I have played gravity wars loaded from paper tape. |
| 21:53.36 | lapsusbrutus | lol |
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| 21:54.06 | jhutchins_lt | PDP1 I think, no keyboard, 6" round CRT. |
| 21:54.26 | MrFrood | %tell equivoc about lenny->squeeze |
| 21:54.29 | jhutchins_lt | (It might have had a keyboard, but we used the toggle switches to play.) |
| 21:55.15 | MrFrood | yay! toggle switches! |
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| 21:55.51 | equivoc | MrFrood: thx |
| 21:55.55 | MrFrood | np |
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| 21:59.01 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 22:02.58 | PZt | wols thank you seems to have solved the error now am i sure what had to be installed as part of the full-upgrade was in fact updated properly? |
| 22:03.25 | bluesceada | hmh why do i even have a console switch when doing echo mem > /sys/power/state |
| 22:03.32 | bluesceada | this is doesnt look so nice |
| 22:03.53 | bluesceada | i installed plymouth to make it look nice at boot up at least, but suspend/resume misses still somehow |
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| 22:04.42 | wm4 | with this script I'm trying to restore network after a software suspend resume... rate this on a funny scale from 0-10: http://pastie.org/2179899 |
| 22:05.28 | wm4 | the sleep call is trying to wait until the USB device is found by the kernel, so that the ifup call can succeed |
| 22:05.31 | lapsusbrutus | whats the best way to "find ." and rm all .rar ? |
| 22:05.52 | lapsusbrutus | xargs? |
| 22:07.11 | jhutchins_lt | lapsusbrutus: Why not use the delete option of find? |
| 22:07.12 | lapsusbrutus | find .|grep -i .rar$|xargs rm |
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| 22:07.36 | themill | %tell lapsusbrutus using find |
| 22:07.41 | themill | %tell lapsusbrutus about using find |
| 22:07.51 | themill | lapsusbrutus: that's horrible on so many levels |
| 22:08.17 | lapsusbrutus | jhutchins_lt: ohh really, thats quite powerful.. |
| 22:08.24 | andh | i'm tired good night |
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| 22:08.47 | jhutchins_lt | lapsusbrutus: find is pretty amazing, but it takes some studying of the man page. |
| 22:09.09 | wm4 | that's a sign you are using an overly bloated unix clone |
| 22:09.11 | boudiccas | i prefer locate, its nice and simple |
| 22:09.21 | twobitsprite | lapsusbrutus: something like: find . -iname "*.rar" -exec rm {} \; |
| 22:09.23 | lapsusbrutus | themill: yeah. thats why I asked. horrible, linux is usually more powerful than what I imagine ;) |
| 22:09.33 | themill | lapsusbrutus: note also that the "." in your grep isn't doing what you think it is, that find can match patterns just find on its own and that any whitespace in your filenames would cause all manner of fun |
| 22:09.49 | themill | boudiccas: and also can be out of date, of course... |
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| 22:10.25 | boudiccas | not if you've just done an updatedb |
| 22:10.28 | lapsusbrutus | ohh thanks for info guys!! |
| 22:10.41 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: You don't need exec, find has a delete option. |
| 22:10.58 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: ohh yeah... I always forget about all those one-off options |
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| 22:11.32 | jockepockee | I have trouble with X11 config. When i run sudo Xorg -configure i get: Number of created screens does not match number of deteced devices. Configuration failed. |
| 22:11.40 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: I've seen arguments over exec vs. xargs, but didn't find anything compelling. |
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| 22:12.08 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: meh... whatever works |
| 22:12.09 | lapsusbrutus | ill never underestimate find again :p |
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| 22:12.16 | themill | jhutchins_lt: well, that form of "-exec ⦠\;" is much slower, I find that compelling. |
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| 22:12.40 | twobitsprite | themill: but is it noticably slower, such that it even matters? |
| 22:12.47 | themill | it can be |
| 22:13.36 | twobitsprite | I doubt he has enough rar files to make a difference... but maybe |
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| 22:14.07 | jhutchins_lt | So what's up with dpkg? |
| 22:14.30 | twobitsprite | then there's also the problem of the time saved running find is lost pulling up the man page and searching it ("was it called -delete or -remove? or maybe -del?") |
| 22:14.56 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: he's dead, Jim |
| 22:15.01 | themill | you could at least use -exec ⦠+ |
| 22:15.11 | peterrooney | jhutchins_lt: dpkg changed name to dselect. |
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| 22:15.18 | twobitsprite | themill: there you go, that works |
| 22:15.24 | themill | %dselectbot |
| 22:15.24 | dselect | The bot "dselect" is a back-up bot for dpkg when it needs a rest. His database is a snapshot of dpkg's, factoid editing is disabled. The address character for dselect is %. |
| 22:15.29 | themill | peterrooney: ^^ not quite |
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| 22:15.59 | PZt | is there anyway to force aptitude to reinstall the full-upgrade? |
| 22:16.17 | twobitsprite | PZt: /msg dselect reinstall |
| 22:16.19 | wols | PZt: why? |
| 22:16.49 | lapsusbrutus | find . -iname "*.rar" -delete this is pretty darn cool thanks guys |
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| 22:17.17 | PZt | wols due to the error that you told me how to fix that was showing up randomly throught most of the full-upgrade |
| 22:17.27 | wols | PZt: and? |
| 22:18.18 | PZt | wols i am not certain everything was installed properly due to that |
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| 22:18.34 | wols | then do a dist-upgrade again |
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| 22:19.11 | jhutchins_lt | Or aptitudude -f install |
| 22:19.22 | PZt | wols aptitude full-upgrade ? |
| 22:19.29 | themill | twobitsprite: (also, tab completion works very nicely with find arguments ;) |
| 22:20.18 | PZt | wols that is showing zero need to be |
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| 22:20.32 | wols | then it's done |
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| 22:20.59 | PZt | wols okay thank you |
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| 22:22.38 | PZt | i have two more issues with the upgrade first insserv has 4 warnings about two applications arpwatch and a portion of avira anyway to fix that? |
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| 22:24.59 | equivoc | http://pastebin.com/z4xpc1cu |
| 22:25.06 | equivoc | what can I do here? |
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| 22:25.32 | equivoc | can i uninstall or deactivate spamassassin upgrade? |
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| 22:32.13 | equivoc | http://pastebin.com/z4xpc1cu << any hints on my problem? |
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| 22:32.56 | themill | equivoc: find out what's running on that port already |
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| 22:34.13 | equivoc | themill: spamd is in /etc/services on that port |
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| 22:34.48 | themill | /etc/services just lists well known ports, not what processes are using them |
| 22:35.20 | equivoc | themill: how can i find out what's running on that port? |
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| 22:38.35 | jhutchins_lt | netstat? |
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| 22:44.43 | WMP | hello |
| 22:45.06 | WMP | how to make in make-kpkg nice kernel name? I have: linux-image-2.6.38.8-vs2.3.0.37-rc17-sored-minecraft_2.6.38.8-vs2.3.0.37-rc17-sored-minecraft-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb |
| 22:45.32 | Black_Prince | That is really nice name :) |
| 22:45.48 | WMP | yea ;) |
| 22:46.02 | WMP | i want only this: linux-image-2.6.38.8-vs2.3.0.37-rc17-sored-minecraft |
| 22:46.07 | WMP | and nothing else ;) |
| 22:46.18 | Black_Prince | WMP, edit /etc/kernel-pkg.conf for the -10.00.Custom thing |
| 22:46.41 | Black_Prince | the -10.00.Custom is debian revision |
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| 22:49.13 | WMP | Black_Prince: hmmm, ok ;) |
| 22:49.23 | wm4 | why does this dkms stuff always leave crap in /tmp |
| 22:49.33 | wm4 | like /tmp/dkms.cT2ug1QU |
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| 22:50.54 | WMP | Black_Prince: i have in this config: debian = |
| 22:51.04 | WMP | and nothing else, and i have this same name :( |
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| 22:51.23 | Black_Prince | WMP, does it have # at the beggining? |
| 22:51.29 | WMP | yes |
| 22:51.47 | Black_Prince | WMP, well remove it, that is threated as Comment and that lines are ignored |
| 22:52.00 | WMP | emm, i havent # :) |
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| 22:53.41 | Bop | anyone with vmware player in testing, working ? |
| 22:53.42 | Black_Prince | Try just with --revision |
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| 22:57.21 | WMP | Black_Prince: --revision=-soredminecraft-1 |
| 22:57.37 | WMP | i dont know how to write good revision ;) |
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| 23:06.53 | sylar | I was fsck-ing a disk, and it found an error,and asked me if to ignore, I answer yes, and now it ask me if to force rewrite |
| 23:07.00 | sylar | ? |
| 23:07.17 | tharkun | Gentlemen is there any other way to convert from svg to pdf besides using inkscape or imagemagick? |
| 23:07.35 | sylar | it said that it read a short block or something like that |
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| 23:08.55 | mercutioviz | Quick question: I have an Atom 330 system and I was hoping to install Squeeze, but I didn't see an x86_64 arch. Am I missing something? |
| 23:09.17 | bps | amd64 |
| 23:09.19 | tharkun | yes, it is called amd64 |
| 23:09.24 | mercutioviz | ah, thx |
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| 23:10.28 | bolt | I'm having a problem with the emgd driver for squeeze, following the guide here: http://wiki.debian.org/IntelEmbeddedMediaGraphicsDriver I managed to compile, install and modprobe the emgd module with no problems. lsmod shows it. However, xorg says "Failed to load module emgd (module does not exist)". What gives? |
| 23:10.32 | mercutioviz | high fives you all... |
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| 23:11.43 | sylar | anyone knows what that force rewrite is? |
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| 23:14.36 | themill | tharkun: batik can do that apparently (but I normally just use inkscape) |
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| 23:16.08 | tharkun | themill: to install inkscape i need to download like 200MB Is it normal? |
| 23:16.30 | tharkun | Let me fetch the numbers aptitudes spits |
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| 23:18.07 | tharkun | wrong, it will use 344MB of disk space and it needs to download 81.1Mb since this is a headless server i am unsure if it is the right choice |
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| 23:19.06 | themill | that's rather a lot... try without recommends (or try batik, it's in the archive) |
| 23:19.31 | mysticsilent | Hi all, Is it wise to change the eth0 mtu size to 9000 ? Could this be the reason my network speeds between debian and my nas are so slow? I have gigabit lan. |
| 23:19.33 | themill | ,info libbatik-java |
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| 23:19.35 | judd | Package libbatik-java (java, optional) in squeeze/i386: xml.apache.org SVG Library. Version: 1.7-6; Size: 9308.3k; Installed: 11452k; Homepage: http://xml.apache.org/batik/ |
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| 23:23.06 | tharkun | themill: batik will download only 104MB and use 253, I think i'll stick with inkscape :) |
| 23:23.28 | themill | heh |
| 23:25.36 | PZt | i am moving from lilo to grub2 in /etc/kernel-img.conf should i have postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub or postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub2 |
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| 23:28.07 | mysticsilent | How can i take benefit of my gigabit network? The speeds are 7 mb/s right now. |
| 23:29.43 | jm|laptop | mysticsilent: what protocol? |
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| 23:31.48 | jm|laptop | !tell mysticsilent about pm |
| 23:32.18 | mysticsilent | dpkg doenst work? |
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| 23:34.08 | jm|laptop | mysticsilent: there are numerous settings for samba that affect network performance |
| 23:34.26 | jm|laptop | iperf is handy for testing speeds |
| 23:34.57 | jm|laptop | that aside, if you have something less complex (e.g. not ssh/scp or samba) like a web server on your lan that you can wget a sizeable file from, you might get a taste for the true throughput |
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| 23:35.51 | mysticsilent | my nas can have a ftp server |
| 23:36.25 | jm|laptop | relatively rudimentary in passive mode |
| 23:36.32 | jm|laptop | try it :) |
| 23:37.09 | jm|laptop | also http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/speed.html |
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| 23:42.17 | thewanderer1 | guys, what's happened to pcmanfm-nohal? do I need HAL to use LXDE? |
| 23:42.32 | jm|laptop | mysticsilent: please don't privmsg me. Talking in channel lets others chip in |
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| 23:42.39 | jm|laptop | and keeps my windows fewer |
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| 23:44.06 | mysticsilent | can it be that my slow smb speed is due to the MTU setting? I've read about changing it to 9000 with gigabit network speed that it gains actual troughput? |
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| 23:44.43 | jm|laptop | oO |
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| 23:45.20 | jm|laptop | depends how your equipment handles jumbo frames |
| 23:45.21 | jm|laptop | I guess |
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| 23:46.52 | Arrowmaster | hmm i just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy and now gnome automount stopped working |
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| 23:49.58 | MrFrood | Arrowmaster: :#debian-next on oftc for dedicated testing/unstable support |
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| 23:54.55 | PZt | anyone know why aptitude update misses on all Translation-en or -en_US? |
| 23:56.02 | xindz | Guys, who many passes should i run with memtest? |
| 23:56.16 | xindz | how* |
| 23:57.04 | PZt | xindz first i would get the + version at least 8 |
| 23:57.13 | frag4now | hi all. I need to add an service at machine boot. My first dumb approch was to add a line to /etc/rc.local like this: "openvpn /path/openvp/server.cfg" but then I found on the net an article that depicts to use a command like "# update-rc.d foo default" were foo is a script. Now what that script have to contain? |
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| 23:57.52 | PZt | frag4now which version of debian? |
| 23:58.58 | xindz | PZt im using the standard version that comes with debian lenny |
| 23:59.28 | somiaj | frag4now: init scripts are put in /etc/init.d/foo, and then update-rc.d will link that script to the appropriate runlevels |