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| 00:00.16 | somiaj | frag4now: if the serverice doesn't have its own init.d script, you can write one, check the README and the skeleton. But putting it in /etc/rc.local is fine, just its better to have a script that can respond to start/stop/reload |
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| 00:00.35 | frag4now | somiaj: yes, but have i to use debian standard naming file S|K too? |
| 00:00.52 | frag4now | ah ok...so it's quicker with rc.local... |
| 00:00.55 | frag4now | thanks |
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| 00:01.11 | somiaj | frag4now: no just calle it /etc/init.d/foo -- when you run update-rc.d to put it in the /etc/rc?.d/ files it will apend the SXX or KXX depending on if you want it to be started or disabled |
| 00:01.11 | PZt | xindz check grubmenu if it is + or not |
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| 00:01.27 | frag4now | is there a way to start up rc.local even it the machine is already on? or have I to reboot? |
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| 00:02.05 | somiaj | frag4now: you can source /etc/rc.local to rerun that script, but that is why its better to have a script designed for the service, rc.local just runs once and isn't set up to accept different options |
| 00:02.14 | xindz | PZt will do that later, atm i already gone through two passes |
| 00:02.15 | PZt | frag4now you may want to look at insserv |
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| 00:02.54 | influenza | I've got a package that has failed to install correctly. dpkg suggests that I run 'dpkg --configure -a' but this fails as well. How can I tell dpkg to give up and move on with life? |
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| 00:03.24 | somiaj | why did it fail? |
| 00:03.40 | somiaj | also is this a offical debian package on stable, or some unoffical package? |
| 00:03.48 | frag4now | ok...for now i'll adopt a lazy approach :P ..i'm quite a beginner with debian and I don't like to put my hands in runlevels/services...thanks all guys |
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| 00:05.01 | influenza | somiaj: Please stick to the origin question |
| 00:05.10 | influenza | this package is irrelevant and I have no interest in diagnosing its failure |
| 00:05.41 | somiaj | influenza: dpkg won't just leave a 'dead' package around, so you either have to figure out why it failed and fix it, or remove it. |
| 00:06.28 | influenza | removal is fine |
| 00:06.46 | somiaj | dpkg -r, or dpkg --purge |
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| 00:08.34 | influenza | somiaj: Apparently my alternatives link for the jvm is borked and thats preventing removal too. Bad times ;( |
| 00:08.42 | stew | influenza: what package is causing problems. if there is a bug in the debian package, we should get it reported |
| 00:08.55 | stew | influenza: can you show us what is actually going on in a pastebin? |
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| 00:09.31 | influenza | stew: I'm on ubuntu, just came here because that channel is just noise |
| 00:09.37 | somiaj | influenza: so fix the postrm/postinst script...usually just comment out th eline that is buggy. |
| 00:09.51 | stew | influenza: oh, you are in the wrong channel then, please go to #ubuntu |
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| 00:10.24 | stew | influenza: if you can't get help there, try askubuntu.com perhaps, we can't help here, though |
| 00:10.52 | xovan | ubuntu is a horse of a different color |
| 00:10.58 | influenza | dpkg is a debian system, I was just asking about usage |
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| 00:11.25 | PZt | stew any idea why all 12 Translate-en in apt-get update are being ignored? |
| 00:11.41 | stew | !ign |
| 00:11.44 | stew | %ign |
| 00:11.44 | dselect | [ign] when apt-get outputs lines starting with "Ign:" it means "Hrm, there's no such file but it's not a big deal anyway, i didn't need it", also "Hit:" means "i already had that file, no need to download" |
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| 00:12.03 | hithon | hello everyone! i'm trying to compile freewrl on my Debian, it's got a --with-fontsdir=DIR configure option which says "font path [DATADIR/$PACKAGE/fonts]" - what does that mean? is this meant to be the path to system wide fonts or the relative path to the release package's fonts dir? |
| 00:12.24 | PZt | stew i knew that but i do not recall having Translate prior to upgrades |
| 00:12.37 | xovan | DATADIR sounds like the program data directory. |
| 00:12.48 | stew | PZt: yes, this is something newish |
| 00:12.55 | hithon | problem is that there is no fonts dir in the release |
| 00:13.42 | PZt | stew so it is normal for adding 12 queries to apt-get update that all get ignored? |
| 00:14.14 | extraclassic | hithon: the tarball you unzip probably has a fonts directory you're supposed to use |
| 00:14.15 | stew | PZt: they aren't ignored. they are 404, and that is fine. the files aren't needed |
| 00:14.39 | PZt | stew okay thank you |
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| 00:16.29 | hithon | extraclassic: no, it does not include such a dir for linux, only some fonts in a OSX specific dir, so i strongly suppose that i'm meant to use system wide fonts - but i don't know where they are stored in Debian... |
| 00:16.54 | xindz | In /var/log/messages im getting "kernel: PM: Registered nosave memory: 00000000000a0000 - 00000000000e4000" Whats does that mean ? |
| 00:17.51 | extraclassic | hithon: /usr/share/fonts I think |
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| 00:18.40 | ZykoticK9 | xindz, a "dmesg | grep nosave" showed 9 similar lines on my system as well. I have no idea what it means. But, you aren't alone ;) |
| 00:19.07 | hithon | extraclassic: there are some subdirs, which one should i use? truetype? X11? type1? |
| 00:19.43 | extraclassic | hithon: it'll probably look recursively and pick up all the subdirectories |
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| 00:19.58 | hithon | let's try...will take some minutes... |
| 00:20.38 | xindz | ZykoticK9 ok, i guess that it is nothing to worry about |
| 00:21.07 | ZykoticK9 | xindz, ? I'm certainly not experiencing any issue on this box. So "probably" not??? |
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| 00:24.20 | xindz | ZykoticK9 im experiencing totally "lockdowns" of my system so im trying to figure something out |
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| 00:28.08 | mwarning | hi, I need some help. I installed screenlets and it pulled a lot of gnome stuff as dependencies. After restarting my computer I got the gnome desktop instead of fluxbox. I removed a lot of gnome packages including xserver-xorg and tried to reinstall the xorg package. But I get some unmet dependency error now. :( |
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| 00:29.02 | mwarning | http://pastebin.com/B3XnW4KF |
| 00:29.23 | mwarning | ^ this is my "apt-get install xserver-xorg" output |
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| 00:31.33 | mwarning | any idea what I could try? |
| 00:31.53 | stew | mwarning: try aptitude instead of apt-get, or try to install xserver-xorg-video-all and see why that fails |
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| 00:34.31 | mwarning | http://pastebin.com/Dd7PzqKF |
| 00:34.48 | mwarning | somewhat better, but no success |
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| 00:35.00 | mwarning | stew, ^ |
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| 00:36.10 | stew | mwarning: i wouldn't have accepted that solution |
| 00:36.49 | mwarning | well, I don't feel like a have a big choice |
| 00:37.03 | mwarning | *much of a choice |
| 00:37.03 | stew | mwarning: why? |
| 00:37.18 | stew | you had lots of choices there, ? would tell you more of them |
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| 00:37.50 | mwarning | sec, let me try again |
| 00:39.57 | mwarning | I didn't know that those choices were separate. :P |
| 00:40.10 | mwarning | anyway, I selected xserver-xorg-video-vesa |
| 00:40.26 | mwarning | but nothing was installed :/ |
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| 00:40.51 | stew | mwarning: selected how? |
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| 00:41.12 | mwarning | I typed the number of the driver |
| 00:41.27 | mwarning | then I was asked to use "a 29" or "r 29" |
| 00:42.02 | stew | you lost me |
| 00:42.31 | mwarning | sec |
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| 00:42.48 | stew | mwarning: when it says "accept this solution" you can say "N" to mean "try another solution", and keep trying to you find one you want |
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| 00:43.18 | mwarning | http://pastebin.com/sZxRZgqd |
| 00:43.29 | mwarning | ^ this is the followup |
| 00:43.43 | mwarning | stew, oh, I thought No would abort |
| 00:43.50 | MrHatter | I ahve just put a WD 2Tb hard drive in my system, but when partitioning fdisk is only showing me 1Tb |
| 00:44.46 | mwarning | stew, looks like it's doing smth.... |
| 00:45.53 | karlpinc_ | MrHatter: I don't believe that 4KB sectors are your problem, but just in case here's the factoid. |
| 00:45.58 | karlpinc_ | %4kb |
| 00:45.59 | dselect | Newer (S)ATA drives have 4k sectors, which when not accounted for, can cause performance problems. See http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_4_KiB_sector_issues and http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg02021.html for more information. |
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| 00:47.29 | karlpinc_ | MrHatter: I don't understand why you're having a problem, but if you want to explore you could try using parted or another paritioning tool to see if that matters. You could also look at dmesg output to see what the system thinks of the drive, maybe. |
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| 00:48.04 | MrHatter | karlpinc_, dselect, thx |
| 00:48.25 | karlpinc_ | MrHatter: (dselect is a bot -- a backup for the dpkg bot which is currently offline.) |
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| 00:48.50 | MrHatter | karlpinc_, fdisk is showing double the cylinders as the 1tb drive, same heads and sectors, but will only partition to 1tb, perhaps the 4k sector issue |
| 00:49.17 | MrHatter | dmesg shows (2000399 MB) |
| 00:50.21 | karlpinc_ | MrHatter: 4KB sectors should be transparent except for performance issues. Although maybe there's some strangeness going on because the drive is lying about it's sector size. Some do to maintain a bad backwards compability with MS systems. |
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| 00:51.34 | karlpinc_ | MrHatter: Are you trying to make one giant partition? |
| 00:51.59 | MrHatter | karlpinc_, i have tried both ways, a few smaller ones or one giant one, they both stop at 1Tb |
| 00:52.01 | karlpinc_ | MrHatter: (I still don't think that would matter....) |
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| 00:53.59 | karlpinc_ | MrHatter: fdisk says there's 1T free? Or it only sees 1T total? |
| 00:54.45 | MrHatter | karlpinc_, fdisk creates the partition fine, but its 1Tb in size |
| 00:54.46 | karlpinc_ | MrHatter: 1T free after partitioning 1T. |
| 00:55.01 | MrHatter | karlpinc_, no it says there is nothing free |
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| 00:55.56 | karlpinc_ | MrHatter: Use parted. It's supposed to be new and spiffy. |
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| 01:00.34 | joulez | can anyone tell me what debian release has gnome3 ? |
| 01:00.56 | stew | joulez: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
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| 01:01.08 | joulez | thanks |
| 01:02.37 | initself | I just setup sid on a PC. |
| 01:02.45 | initself | I'm trying to check out a subversion repo. |
| 01:02.54 | initself | apt-get install subversion << i've got it |
| 01:03.02 | initself | I try to use svn+ssh |
| 01:03.05 | initself | http://scsys.co.uk:8002/120276 << I get this |
| 01:03.23 | initself | I didn't think there was any fancy configuration that had to be done to checkout a remote repo |
| 01:03.23 | babilen | initself: consider using punctuation instead of the enter key. It makes it much easier to follow you. |
| 01:03.51 | initself | I don't even see a -q option in [tunnels] |
| 01:04.26 | stew | initself: try just "ssh mwb@192.168.0.25" first |
| 01:04.39 | initself | works great |
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| 01:04.59 | IceWewe | I'm trying to set up an iscsi target on Squeeze and for some reason I cannot see the target on other (debian) boxes |
| 01:05.10 | IceWewe | I have iscsi-target installed, the daemon is running; the module is loaded. |
| 01:05.21 | IceWewe | When I do a tcpdump I see the login is successful but for some reason the target list is empty |
| 01:05.39 | IceWewe | even though I have a target defined in /etc/ietd.conf and netstat shows that iscsi-target is listening on port 3260 |
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| 01:06.30 | stew | initself: does svnserve exist on ther remote machine? |
| 01:07.02 | initself | stew: that might be it. It existed on another machine that was the original repo. When I moved this repo to this machine, perhaps I didn't install svnserve. |
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| 01:08.51 | karlpinc_ | IceWewe: You looked at the logs? You could crank up the daemon's verbosity and have another look at the logs. (I know squat about ISCSI FYI.) |
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| 01:09.14 | IceWewe | karlpinc_, Logs aren't telling me anything. The initiator IPs are listed in /etc/initiators.allow. |
| 01:09.29 | karlpinc_ | IceWewe: You restarted the daemons? (Just checknig.) |
| 01:09.30 | IceWewe | karlpinc_, I have experience with iscsi on SuSE; didn't think Debian would be much different... |
| 01:09.35 | IceWewe | karlpinc_, oh yes, many times |
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| 01:09.45 | karlpinc_ | %readme.debian |
| 01:09.45 | dselect | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 01:09.47 | IceWewe | karlpinc_, I can't even see the target from the same machine |
| 01:09.59 | karlpinc_ | IceWewe: if there's any difference the readme.debian should tell you about it. |
| 01:10.07 | initself | stew: i just installed it, but i'm getting the same error |
| 01:10.12 | initself | it's like the client is configured funny |
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| 01:11.03 | magyar | hi, which virtualization package to install guests are available for squeeze? |
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| 01:11.39 | DasEi | magyar: vbox is what I use, but there are others, too |
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| 01:12.19 | DasEi | magyar: best results when either adding their repo or get it direct from them |
| 01:12.22 | karlpinc_ | magyar: kvm, xen. You can use the debtags package to search for others. |
| 01:12.46 | magyar | karlpinc_: does kvm support usb? |
| 01:13.20 | karlpinc_ | magyar: I don't know. |
| 01:13.37 | magyar | xen is a hypervizor so is kvm |
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| 01:14.16 | ZykoticK9 | magyar, kvm does support usb - although I've never tried it (but i did see mention in documentation) |
| 01:14.20 | magyar | hmm, oracle it is than |
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| 01:15.13 | DasEi | magyar: I haven't treid it in debian, but buntu, vmware is another solution |
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| 01:15.17 | Rajko | hey |
| 01:15.19 | Rajko | hey you guys |
| 01:15.19 | Rajko | hey |
| 01:15.30 | Rajko | i have debian 6 installed 32bit, i want to change that to 64bit, without using a cdrom |
| 01:15.31 | Rajko | how do |
| 01:15.51 | DasEi | Rajko: new usb install |
| 01:16.21 | Rajko | without popping anything into the machine |
| 01:16.25 | babilen | Rajko: Not really possible with a *lot* of work and even that might not be successful. Your best bet is to reinstall. Use a USB stick or a network installation if you rule out CDs |
| 01:16.26 | Rajko | only have ipkvm |
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| 01:16.49 | babilen | Rajko: You can, however, easily install an amd64 kernel and keep your i386 userland. |
| 01:17.11 | Rajko | noo, all 64 |
| 01:17.25 | magyar | is the bot down? |
| 01:17.45 | ZykoticK9 | magyar, dselect is around |
| 01:17.55 | babilen | Rajko: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/index.html (respect the WARNINGS) -- It will probably not work and the article is likely to be outdated. You essentially have to reinstall. |
| 01:18.12 | Rajko | im fine with reinstaling |
| 01:18.18 | babilen | magyar: dpkg is not here, use dselect (%) -- /msg dselect hello |
| 01:18.19 | Rajko | i dont care about data or programs |
| 01:18.28 | babilen | Rajko: Then reinstall. |
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| 01:18.35 | Rajko | but cant use cdrom or usb |
| 01:18.37 | magyar | dpkg is retired? |
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| 01:18.52 | babilen | magyar: No, connection problems. |
| 01:18.59 | magyar | ahh |
| 01:19.05 | babilen | Rajko: Can you boot from PXE? |
| 01:19.09 | Rajko | yes |
| 01:19.11 | Rajko | but its remote |
| 01:19.16 | mwarning | stew, I got my xserver running again. Thanks for your help |
| 01:19.36 | Rajko | so i cant get anything near it |
| 01:19.59 | babilen | Rajko: Well, you *need* some way to access the debian-installer. Another option would be to debootstrap amd64 and switch. |
| 01:20.21 | Rajko | can pxe use http or something |
| 01:21.04 | tsbo | I'm seeing dmesg entries about afpd processes blocking for more than 120 seconds and also segfaulting in libc. I've seen reports of similar problems about the i915 driver and ext3 but not about afpd except the unanswered bug #599402. Anyone have any suggestions about where to go from here (Debian 6.0)? |
| 01:21.07 | ZykoticK9 | Rajko, can i ask why you want to switch to 64bit? are you SURE it's worth the effort? |
| 01:21.10 | babilen | Rajko: Do you have access to another server on the network? Is this a a hosting provider? Do you have access to a remote console? Can you boot certain ISOs? |
| 01:21.13 | DasEi | Rajko: yes, its network boot; really, so much work, just pull the hd and set to a box with better accesibility ? |
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| 01:22.28 | Rajko | no, anything i have would have to traverse the internet |
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| 01:22.39 | Rajko | is PXE same-broadcast-domain only ? (like BOOTP is ) |
| 01:23.24 | initself | stew: syntax error |
| 01:24.37 | babilen | Rajko: Yes, you need a TFTP or BOOTP server. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s05.html.en for details. |
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| 01:24.56 | babilen | Rajko: As I said: You can probably bootstrap amd64 and switch. |
| 01:25.08 | babilen | %tell Rajko about debootstrap |
| 01:25.33 | babilen | Rajko: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 01:25.51 | babilen | Rajko: But why do you want to do this? |
| 01:26.03 | Rajko | its brand new, i want 64bit instead of 32bi |
| 01:26.10 | babilen | why? |
| 01:26.22 | Rajko | its got 8 gigs of ram |
| 01:26.40 | babilen | Rajko: And why don't you get a 64bit install? It would help if you could also answer the questions about your hoster earlier ;) |
| 01:26.50 | Rajko | cuz its 3am |
| 01:26.57 | MrFrood | 640k should be enough for anyone :P |
| 01:26.59 | Rajko | i told them to go and pop the disc in |
| 01:27.01 | Rajko | its been a while |
| 01:27.05 | Rajko | if i could do it faster, migh as well |
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| 01:27.20 | ZykoticK9 | MrFrood, classic Gates quote ;) |
| 01:27.26 | babilen | Rajko: So install an amd64 kernel. Or wait until the morrow. |
| 01:27.27 | Rajko | except gates never said that |
| 01:28.24 | babilen | Rajko: They don't provide some configuration panel that would allow you to specify a different distribution or ISO to boot? |
| 01:28.28 | MrFrood | Rajko: wrong = Gates does not admit to saying it, but only deniedd it after it had been in circulation for several years |
| 01:28.56 | Rajko | babilen, nein |
| 01:29.05 | MrFrood | Rajko: but no real proof either way |
| 01:29.17 | Rajko | another provider i have does, and it works sometimes |
| 01:29.24 | Rajko | but this one just does ipkvm |
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| 01:30.03 | babilen | Rajko: Well, you know your options. :) |
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| 01:33.50 | Rajko | i couldalso |
| 01:33.58 | Rajko | install the usb thing into a separate partition |
| 01:34.01 | Rajko | make that partition bootable |
| 01:34.11 | Rajko | then boot from hdd |
| 01:35.11 | babilen | Rajko: That would be http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.html.en (unfortunately it does not discuss grub2) |
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| 01:37.32 | karsten | Is there an official od-farts guide to getting wifi working (including WEP, WPA, WPA2) under interfaces OTHER than GNOME/KDE somewhere? |
| 01:38.15 | karsten | Sometimes it works (now, f'rex), sometimes it doesn't. I've got knetworkmanager running, got the interface up under cnetworkmanager this time. GNOME was working on another WiFi net last night (but not this afternoon). |
| 01:38.40 | karsten | Generally doing things by hand I find that I seem to get the wireless interface running but the dhcp client request times out. |
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| 01:42.50 | DasEi | can't one message the bot here ? |
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| 01:44.32 | MrFrood | DasEi: /msg dselect |
| 01:45.00 | MrFrood | DasEi: dpkg is on holiday |
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| 01:47.32 | DasEi | MrFrood: thanks, msg didn't , but query worked, a holiday , should have left a phone number, thx again |
| 01:47.55 | DasEi | %networking | karsten |
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| 01:48.36 | DasEi | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 01:49.00 | MrFrood | %tell DasEi about self tell |
| 01:49.41 | DasEi | MrFrood: pm you ? |
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| 01:50.21 | MrFrood | more of us here to help in channel |
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| 01:51.15 | DasEi | k, could I have a basic link, I already pm'd dselect, cause I know so far, but can't handle the bot properly.. |
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| 01:53.18 | MrFrood | /msg dselect "subject" e,g /msg dselect msg the bot |
| 01:53.28 | karsten | DasEi: You have to be logged in/registered for some of the bots to talk to you. |
| 01:54.11 | DasEi | .. and need to understand their syntax then |
| 01:54.33 | karsten | DasEi: That one doesn't get into the whole networkmanager world. |
| 01:55.24 | MrFrood | %networkmanager |
| 01:55.25 | dselect | NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <nmcli>, <wireless connection managers>. |
| 01:55.27 | karsten | DasEi: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse is a bit more to the point but misses some diagnostics. |
| 01:56.01 | MrFrood | %nm squeeze |
| 01:56.01 | dselect | From Squeeze onwards, NetworkManager does not manage any interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces by default. As of network-manager 0.8.1-4, existing wired/wireless interfaces in this file (using the dhcp method) are disabled with a #NetworkManager# prefix, then re-enabled when the network-manager package is removed (Debian bug #530024). http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#NetworkManager_in_Squeeze |
| 01:56.39 | DasEi | karsten: so I got you wrong, as by hand I was thinking of /etc/interfaces |
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| 01:57.57 | Auron | "man interfaces" |
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| 02:05.30 | karsten | DasEi: yeah, that's not it. I'm talking about a more dynamic "ad-hoc" use of wifi hotspots at various points in time. It's bee nreally hit-or-miss. And GNOME/KDE are totally unusable as desktops for me (I'm an old WindowMaker fart/user). |
| 02:06.07 | karsten | DasEi: For APs I hit frequently I do create /etc/network/interfaces entries. For run-of-the-mill stuff it's a bit too much of a hassle. |
| 02:06.31 | karsten | Who's the bot today? |
| 02:06.40 | dvs | me! |
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| 02:07.13 | karsten | is somehow unconvinced. |
| 02:07.24 | ZykoticK9 | karsten, "dselect" is around, you can use % for calling in channel |
| 02:07.32 | dvs | Is it bigger than a breadbox? |
| 02:07.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 02:07.47 | bugger | hi all - i've got an issue with exim4 and smarthosts. it seems my isp uses round robin dns to load balance mail servers, some of which accept connections on port 25, others which only accept connections with ssl, how can i set it to only attempt to connect with ssl? |
| 02:07.58 | karsten | ZykoticK9: Yeah, figured that out. |
| 02:08.27 | bugger | i'm using split configuration, and struggling to even find the file where the smarthost is set |
| 02:08.36 | karsten | bugger: Should be able to configure the smarthost to be SSL strictly. Y |
| 02:08.54 | karsten | butYou might also want to ask on the exim channel. |
| 02:09.18 | karsten | bugger: you might also want to ask on the exim support channel. |
| 02:09.24 | bugger | karsten: ok, i was of the understanding they don't like supporting debian exim because of it's config structure, but i'll try thanks |
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| 02:10.34 | karsten | bugger: They should be able to tell you the syntax. 'grep' should tell you the appropriate file(s) to tweak. |
| 02:10.44 | bugger | ok cool |
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| 02:22.53 | |eZaGuTuTa| | hola? |
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| 02:25.21 | dvs | !es |
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| 02:33.10 | Jef91 | Anyone know if apturl can be used in debian? |
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| 02:48.22 | cyphaw | hello |
| 02:48.33 | |eZaGuTuTa| | hi |
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| 02:48.57 | cyphaw | I've got a small problem with wine and pulseaudio, is there someone here that may help me? |
| 02:49.51 | |eZaGuTuTa| | sorry but you do it the question to mr. google? |
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| 02:50.02 | gnarface | cyphaw: i can't help other than by telling you to avoid pulse audio. #winehq might be of more use though |
| 02:50.16 | cyphaw | |eZaGuTuTa|: of course |
| 02:50.37 | cyphaw | gnarface: yep, but I need pulseaudio, otherwise I would avoid it too |
| 02:51.14 | |eZaGuTuTa| | i can´t help you sorry |
| 02:51.27 | cyphaw | |eZaGuTuTa|: no problem |
| 02:52.07 | |eZaGuTuTa| | i have got other problem |
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| 02:52.14 | cyphaw | thing is, I have an error when I launch wine, but I have sound. For some apps, the sound is good, for another one it's cracking |
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| 02:52.42 | cyphaw | if I install lib32asound2-plugins to solve the error message, then I have no sound at all -_- |
| 02:52.45 | |eZaGuTuTa| | the wine?? |
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| 02:53.19 | gnarface | cyphaw: there are some pulse sympathizers in #winehq. you'll find that most people in here aren't of much help for wine-related issues, unfortunately |
| 02:53.23 | cyphaw | I'll try to ask on ubuntu forums, they must be more to pulseaudio than us :P |
| 02:53.44 | cyphaw | *more used to pulse audio |
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| 02:57.30 | |eZaGuTuTa| | yeah i say my problem ok.. when i see a film for example de power system the monitor off, and y can´t find the solution |
| 02:57.40 | |eZaGuTuTa| | and sorry for my english |
| 02:57.43 | |eZaGuTuTa| | :D |
| 02:57.56 | |eZaGuTuTa| | the power |
| 02:57.57 | |eZaGuTuTa| | xD |
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| 02:58.32 | _pg_ | how can I do a "sudo apt-add-repository" in debian? |
| 02:59.01 | gnarface | |eZaGuTuTa|: i think there is a way to keep X from doing this, but i believe you can also change it in your system BIOS |
| 02:59.05 | stew | _pg_: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:59.23 | gnarface | |eZaGuTuTa|: some movie players do it automatically for you |
| 02:59.24 | cyphaw | gnarface: thanks for the tip, I'll try there too |
| 03:00.09 | _pg_ | stew, hey thanks! |
| 03:00.14 | |eZaGuTuTa| | y use the vlc , at the old system go god but i don,t now why now no |
| 03:00.21 | _pg_ | i somehow failed to find that in google |
| 03:00.38 | gnarface | |eZaGuTuTa|: i think vlc has this feature. have you checked the vlc preferences? |
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| 03:00.49 | gnarface | |eZaGuTuTa|: maybe your new version of vlc just does not enable it by default |
| 03:01.00 | _pg_ | stew, whats the syntax for adding ppas in here? |
| 03:01.25 | |eZaGuTuTa| | i probe whit others and i have the same problem |
| 03:01.34 | stew | _pg_: debian doesn't have PPAs yet. "man sources.list" for the format of that file though |
| 03:03.01 | |eZaGuTuTa| | yeah i checked trhe preference vlc, gnome, and compizconfig |
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| 03:03.33 | |eZaGuTuTa| | but wait a moment please |
| 03:03.49 | _pg_ | stew, so I cant use any software from ppas? |
| 03:04.22 | ZykoticK9 | _pg_, what do you want to install exactly? |
| 03:04.49 | _pg_ | flu.x |
| 03:04.55 | gnarface | |eZaGuTuTa|: like i said, i think there is a way to change it in xorg.conf but i don't know exactly how. i think you can also change it in your BIOS but you don't want it permanently disabled do you? just when you're watching movies, right? |
| 03:05.04 | _pg_ | cause this screen is destroying my retinas |
| 03:05.15 | ZykoticK9 | _pg_, mixing ubuntu packages with debian is generally a bad idea |
| 03:05.25 | stew | _pg_: you can do whatever you want. if you try to install packages which were targetted at other distributions, you might have problems with dependencies |
| 03:05.28 | babilen | _pg_: Just use redshift and be done with it. |
| 03:06.06 | stew | _pg_: and note that a PPA can certainly be lower quality of packaging, and isn't likely to have been audited as well as a package in debian |
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| 03:06.48 | gnarface | i think that "generally a bad idea" is vastly understating the catastrophic fuckup he's about to cause to his system |
| 03:07.02 | _pg_ | i just want my eyes not to bleed |
| 03:07.16 | babilen | _pg_: As I said: Use redshift. |
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| 03:07.38 | gnarface | or... fix the refresh rate? |
| 03:07.51 | _pg_ | aight babilen ill try it out |
| 03:07.53 | babilen | _pg_: Or compile flu.x from source -- But IIRC it is proprietary. |
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| 03:13.44 | ZykoticK9 | flu.x = "patent pending" software to automatically adjust the brightness of your monitor based on time of day. Wow, how did anyone ever live before this? Junk. |
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| 03:14.52 | dedbef | i could make a better app using xgamma -gamma and /bin/sh |
| 03:14.56 | dedbef | :P |
| 03:15.30 | ZykoticK9 | dedbef, careful you could be infringing on there pending patent. |
| 03:15.38 | |eZaGuTuTa| | xD |
| 03:15.38 | dedbef | heh no#$%$# |
| 03:16.10 | |eZaGuTuTa| | ok ok |
| 03:16.17 | dedbef | now if they had a photoresistor that would detect the ambient brightness and change... |
| 03:16.22 | |eZaGuTuTa| | but the totem doit the same |
| 03:16.23 | dedbef | like my phone |
| 03:16.48 | ZykoticK9 | dedbef, they are specifically asking phone makes to contact them for licensing ;) |
| 03:16.58 | ZykoticK9 | s/makes/makers/ |
| 03:17.04 | dedbef | how lame |
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| 03:17.19 | dedbef | i mean im strapped for cash too but atleast my ideas... |
| 03:17.57 | dedbef | dont suck |
| 03:18.00 | |eZaGuTuTa| | gnarface: i go to probe the refrech and perhaps change it in xorg.conf but tomorrow |
| 03:18.19 | |eZaGuTuTa| | i go to bed now |
| 03:18.27 | |eZaGuTuTa| | thank for the ideas |
| 03:18.39 | |eZaGuTuTa| | thanks |
| 03:18.41 | |eZaGuTuTa| | xDD |
| 03:18.53 | levi501d | How do you set what audio device plays in the browser? i have two audio devices, my sound card and a usb audio (for g930's) and i can get all other audio on debian (kde) to play through my headphones (usb) except for my web browesers, any ideas? |
| 03:19.19 | |eZaGuTuTa| | by all people |
| 03:19.43 | levi501d | what no love for the robots in the crowd |
| 03:19.48 | levi501d | ;) |
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| 03:25.19 | nevyn | levi501d: so there's two things. |
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| 03:25.22 | nevyn | maybe more |
| 03:25.36 | levi501d | on and backend xine phonon |
| 03:25.39 | nevyn | each of the browser, flashplugin and java do audio slightly differently whee.. |
| 03:25.39 | levi501d | what are those? |
| 03:25.48 | levi501d | oh yay :D |
| 03:26.27 | nevyn | if you have a pcm.!default set in your asoundrc the flash plugin and browser should justwork |
| 03:26.32 | nevyn | java was a pig for me. |
| 03:26.45 | nevyn | I ended up hacking the sun java class library to add pulseaudio support |
| 03:27.15 | levi501d | i actually dont have an asoundrc file, which is why i asked on here |
| 03:27.15 | _pg_ | is anyone here familiar with divvy? is there similar software for linux? |
| 03:27.17 | babilen | levi501d: Have you by chance been on OFTC before? |
| 03:27.29 | nevyn | levi501d: are you using pulse or you just using alsa? |
| 03:27.42 | levi501d | pulse |
| 03:27.50 | levi501d | my backend in settings is xine pulse |
| 03:27.51 | nevyn | levi501d: did you read the debian howto? |
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| 03:28.04 | nevyn | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 03:28.18 | levi501d | yeah about how to switch between audio devices using a script and two different asoundrc files |
| 03:28.31 | nevyn | no that's the howto setup pulseaudio on debian howto |
| 03:28.41 | nevyn | using two asoundrcfiles to switch is ass. |
| 03:28.43 | levi501d | i am assuming that like usual the config is generated if its supposed to be used, so i figured my system isnt using that config |
| 03:28.43 | nevyn | use pulse. |
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| 03:28.48 | levi501d | yeah i am |
| 03:28.55 | nevyn | right |
| 03:28.59 | levi501d | reading this one :) |
| 03:29.04 | levi501d | thanks for the link |
| 03:29.25 | nevyn | np. |
| 03:29.28 | nevyn | !pulseaudio |
| 03:29.32 | levi501d | babilen: not any tmie recently |
| 03:29.37 | nevyn | misses dpkg. |
| 03:30.44 | babilen | levi501d: Ok, just checking if you were troll. |
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| 03:31.18 | babilen | levi501d: (the user over there with a related problem was called "troll") -- not saying that you are "a troll" :) |
| 03:31.49 | babilen | levi501d: But nevyn already got you on the right track. :) |
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| 03:31.59 | levi501d | sorry i sound like such a noob, i have nothing but issues with audio configs after i have messed with them, evidently it says i am using pulse, but i dont have any of those packages installed, know of a command i can use to check what system im using? |
| 03:32.12 | levi501d | ohh |
| 03:32.26 | levi501d | heh, nope not a troll |
| 03:32.47 | retrodanny | hi everyone, I'm copying debian to iso to install it this weekend, first-timer :) |
| 03:32.58 | retrodanny | to usb* (from iso) |
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| 03:34.18 | levi501d | eh i'll figure it out :), thanks for the article again, i will hopefully succeed this time, or maybe i wont touch it, my headphones are at least working for most things |
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| 03:35.49 | hwq001 | levi501d:what is your solution? |
| 03:37.26 | nevyn | levi501d: if you don't have at least the pulseaudio bit installed then you're using asoundrc or something. |
| 03:37.35 | levi501d | im going to research how pulse works with alsa, last time i did this i was running bleeding edge debian, which may have been the culprit for my audio woes, but i installed a fresh copy of 6 a couple months ago and i am happy. but i was messing with audio on my previous install and pretty much lost all audio capability after a while due to messing with configs i didnt bother reading up on :) |
| 03:37.55 | levi501d | nevyn: i've got libpulse installed though |
| 03:38.12 | levi501d | but no alsa libs |
| 03:38.53 | nevyn | levi501d: so debian doesn't use pulse by default |
| 03:39.00 | levi501d | the thing is i can run aplay -l to list out my sound cards, but i doubt you have to have alsa to run that. i dont however have pulseaudio package installed, nor quite a few of the ones listed on the forum thread you linked |
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| 03:39.11 | nevyn | right. |
| 03:39.25 | nevyn | so you're using straight alsa and dmix (which is the debian default) |
| 03:39.32 | levi501d | gotcha |
| 03:39.47 | levi501d | so installing pulse is definately the way to go though |
| 03:39.49 | nevyn | I'd reccomend using pulse for your requirements (switching between two soundcards) |
| 03:40.17 | levi501d | well i can do that actually, if i pull out my usb dongle for my g930's it automatically switches to my speakers |
| 03:40.21 | nevyn | and there are some other interesting features (none of which I've fiddled with yet) |
| 03:40.21 | levi501d | which are on my sound card |
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| 03:40.44 | nevyn | levi501d: on the fly for all running playback streams? |
| 03:40.46 | levi501d | i just set audio preferences in system settings |
| 03:40.50 | levi501d | yep |
| 03:40.54 | levi501d | except on my web browsers |
| 03:40.56 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:40.57 | levi501d | its just weird |
| 03:40.59 | nevyn | run pactl stat |
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| 03:41.31 | levi501d | pulseaudio-utils package? |
| 03:41.34 | levi501d | i dont have that installed |
| 03:41.38 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:41.41 | nevyn | ps -ef|grep audio |
| 03:41.44 | levi501d | all i have are the pulse libs |
| 03:41.51 | levi501d | libpulse0 and a few other libpulse* |
| 03:42.01 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:42.19 | levi501d | yeah its had me stumped, im pretty good at all this actually, but the audio thing doesnt seem to make sense |
| 03:42.50 | levi501d | most applications with audio out let you pick your output, or at least rely on the system config settings, but apparently web browsers are exempt |
| 03:43.12 | nevyn | so system-config-settings is a gnome thing? |
| 03:43.17 | levi501d | i use kde |
| 03:43.21 | nevyn | right |
| 03:43.39 | nevyn | so in kde phonon will let you futz with the order of soundcards |
| 03:43.41 | levi501d | the app for configuring kde preferences is systemsettings |
| 03:43.49 | levi501d | yeah |
| 03:44.08 | nevyn | but I didn't think phonon could switch a playing stream between devices tho |
| 03:44.50 | levi501d | heres a screen shot |
| 03:44.52 | levi501d | http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1220/plasmadesktopzr4194.jpg |
| 03:44.57 | nevyn | like playing mp3's through the usb card unplug it and playback continues on your internal speakers |
| 03:45.01 | nevyn | without stoping |
| 03:45.36 | levi501d | well mine does, i set my headphones to the top for priority so if i plug them in audio swaps to them |
| 03:45.45 | levi501d | when i unplug them it swaps back to the normal soundcard |
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| 03:46.58 | nevyn | but is there continuous playback during that transition? |
| 03:47.10 | levi501d | yep |
| 03:47.12 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:47.13 | nevyn | ok |
| 03:47.21 | somiaj | well there will be a difference between a single sound device with both speakers/headset jack and two different devices. Unless you have something to open the new device and then move the output to that second device I don't think its possible |
| 03:47.22 | levi501d | but for some reason browsers dont play |
| 03:47.46 | levi501d | well it is i promise :D |
| 03:47.51 | levi501d | want me to take a video hahah |
| 03:48.02 | nevyn | somiaj: this is something pulse does. |
| 03:48.22 | somiaj | nevyn: ahh so pulse is acting as the gobetween/sound server -- I usually avoid those |
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| 03:48.34 | nevyn | somiaj: they're a good idea. |
| 03:48.54 | somiaj | but if an application doesn't use pulse you won't be able to get the switch is what i was getting at with different sound cards |
| 03:49.00 | nevyn | somiaj: for the same reason that applications writing to /dev/framebuffer is stupid |
| 03:49.02 | levi501d | here is the backend option http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/3764/plasmadesktopgm4194.jpg |
| 03:49.05 | somiaj | nevyn: I find them annoying, they keep changing, not every app supports them, etc. |
| 03:49.10 | nevyn | somiaj: the application shouldn't use pulse |
| 03:49.11 | levi501d | it says right there that its phonon xine |
| 03:49.26 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:49.48 | levi501d | but like i said very minimal install of drivers |
| 03:49.50 | nevyn | levi501d: so do you have a executable called pulseaudio running? |
| 03:49.58 | levi501d | no, i dont even have the package |
| 03:50.01 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:50.10 | nevyn | so here's my take on this |
| 03:50.33 | nevyn | phonon (kde audio subsystem) is doing clever things with asoundrc for supported apps. |
| 03:51.03 | nevyn | this is not a generalisable capability the app needs to have phonon support |
| 03:51.16 | levi501d | heres my package list http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/250/plasmadesktopqw4194.jpg |
| 03:51.52 | nevyn | I'd suggest implementing the howto I pointed at earlier. |
| 03:53.55 | levi501d | wrong list, here it is http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8272/plasmadesktopjc4194.jpg |
| 03:54.07 | levi501d | it looks like i have alsa stuff too though |
| 03:54.14 | levi501d | alsa-base |
| 03:54.34 | nevyn | so you need alsa stuff |
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| 03:55.11 | nevyn | alsa is 3 things... (a set of drivers in the kernel) a library of audio functions and a application api for sound |
| 03:55.18 | levi501d | yeah but it says its running pulse audio with libpulse0 so i dunno :D, i'll give it a go, i'll just pay close attention to installed packages |
| 03:55.21 | nevyn | you always need the first of those |
| 03:55.45 | nevyn | and pulse implements the last of those |
| 03:55.51 | levi501d | so would i have finer grain control over audio playback in my browsers if i implemented this? |
| 03:56.09 | nevyn | you'd have per application volume controls |
| 03:56.22 | nevyn | and a consolidated audio routeer of all audio in the system |
| 03:56.36 | nevyn | as well as being able to assign things to different cards. |
| 03:56.36 | levi501d | always a good thing :) |
| 03:56.49 | nevyn | so with pulse |
| 03:57.26 | nevyn | if I'm playing sound and talking on skype. I can configure things so if I plug in my headset with mic the skype audio and capture are transfered but music stays on my speakers. |
| 03:57.30 | nevyn | or whatever. |
| 03:57.49 | sonink | Hello. I'm dual booting Squeeze on a MacBookPro(1,1) and am getting some strange artifacting in video. I lowered the resolution and it mostly seems to have gone away. Any ideas about what I may be able to do to solve this so I can run properly in native resolution? |
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| 03:58.24 | wols_ | sonink: checked temps? |
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| 03:59.12 | gnarface | sonink: an idea only: macs have weird non-standard default resolutions on their LCD displays. you will most likely need a modeline for your xorg.conf |
| 03:59.18 | levi501d | thanks for the info nevyn its appreciated |
| 03:59.35 | sonink | wols_: nah I haven't. Think I saw somewhere that other people had been underclocking some MacBooks in Linux now that I think about it. |
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| 04:01.19 | sonink | wols_: is there a GNOME panel add-on for checking the temp? |
| 04:03.07 | wols_ | b Î don't know but it doesn't matter: it's all lm-sensors. run sensos in a terminal |
| 04:03.09 | gnarface | lm-sensors |
| 04:03.41 | gnarface | sonink: is that an intel mac or an old g4/g5 one? i know cpu temp on the older chips is sometimes listed in /proc/cpuinfo for macs |
| 04:03.51 | gnarface | sonink: also, fyi: #debian-ppc |
| 04:03.54 | sonink | mactel |
| 04:04.02 | gnarface | er... #debianppc maybe? |
| 04:04.09 | wols_ | %ppc |
| 04:04.10 | dselect | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:08.09 | k-man | I got this message from my system: http://pastie.org/2181148 something about a general protection fault |
| 04:08.12 | k-man | what does it mean? |
| 04:09.48 | kingsley | Is there a dpkg, apt or aptitude-like tool that accepts the name of a package and its version as input, and reports their corresponding release, like "lenny" or "5.0", or ideally the date that that version was released? |
| 04:09.59 | wols_ | k-man: not enough info given |
| 04:10.31 | k-man | wols_, that's all I got on the ssh terminal |
| 04:10.55 | k-man | there seems to be a bit more info in dmesg, hang on |
| 04:11.14 | wols_ | kingsley: no, but apt-cache policy does everything except date of release. and packages.qa.debian.org can be sed for that |
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| 04:11.31 | stew | wols_: he's got packages which are 12 years old on his machine |
| 04:11.56 | stew | wols_: he's trying to fix /var/lib/dpkg/status without upgrading any of his ancient packages or removing obsolete packages |
| 04:12.05 | wols_ | stew: archeological find of the century? |
| 04:12.20 | k-man | wols_, http://pastie.org/2181164 |
| 04:12.28 | k-man | seems like it was a problem with the java jvm |
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| 04:12.59 | kingsley | wols_: Actually, yes, I am interested in knowing how old the software is. |
| 04:13.10 | k-man | it goes on to say: Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed! |
| 04:13.32 | k-man | I think I should reboot the machine at any rate |
| 04:14.47 | wols_ | and run a non-tainted kernel to test |
| 04:15.05 | stew | kingsley: aptitude changelog packagename |
| 04:15.21 | kingsley | wols_: I'm looking at the output of "apt-cache policy lsof", and if I understand you correctly, I should see a word like "Lenny" or "5.0", yet I do not. Am I missing something? |
| 04:16.04 | wols_ | kingsley: yes, you miss 12 year old repositories in your sources.list. you can fake it via archive.debian.org if you must |
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| 04:16.46 | stew | kingsley: apt-cache policy tells you about where the softare is currently available from |
| 04:17.01 | stew | (according to your sources.list and /var/lig/dpkg/status) |
| 04:17.32 | wols_ | is there a reason not to update the 12 year old packages? |
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| 04:18.37 | gnarface | i've got a good reason: because it'll take you less time to buy a whole new computer |
| 04:18.52 | gnarface | probably save you on electricity too |
| 04:18.52 | kingsley | stew: Thank you for suggesting "aptitude changelog <package-name>. I like how it includes dates, and I think I may be able to write a shell script that accepts a package's name and version as input, and reports the date as output. |
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| 04:19.49 | livinded | I'm trying to configure a service. Do I want to place the config file in /etc/default/ or /etc/<application>/ |
| 04:20.17 | gnarface | livinded: the latter, or BOTH |
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| 04:20.39 | valdyn | livinded: whereever the program looks for it |
| 04:20.42 | livinded | is /etc/default used for some special purpose? |
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| 04:20.46 | wols_ | livinded: what "service"? |
| 04:20.48 | valdyn | livinded: yes |
| 04:20.52 | stew | livinded: /etc/default/ is a directory for configuration specific to the running of a script in init.d |
| 04:20.53 | livinded | wols_: ircd-ratbox |
| 04:21.08 | kingsley | wols_: You very reasonably asked if there's a reason to not update 12 year old software. |
| 04:21.31 | livinded | there is an example config in /etc/ircd-ratbox and an ircd-ratbox.conf in /etc/default |
| 04:21.34 | wols_ | ,versions ircd-ratbox |
| 04:21.36 | judd | Package ircd-ratbox on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.8.dfsg-2+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.2.8.dfsg-2+lenny1; sid: 3.0.6.dfsg-2+b1; squeeze: 3.0.6.dfsg-2+b1; wheezy: 3.0.6.dfsg-2+b1 |
| 04:21.41 | kingsley | wols_: It seems to me that the answer depends on who you ask, but FWIW, I'll share my thoughts. |
| 04:21.58 | livinded | just not sure where the package expects the config file to be |
| 04:22.23 | k-man | wols_, what is a non-tainted kernel test? |
| 04:22.29 | wols_ | livinded: /usr/share/doc/ircd-ratbox |
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| 04:23.21 | wols_ | k-man: don't modprobe the module that taints a kernel |
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| 04:23.54 | wols_ | k-man: and check if the error still happens |
| 04:24.22 | w7nz7k | hi! i want to reinstall postfix. the first time a curses installer came up... this time nothing, how can i rerun it? |
| 04:24.37 | daniel-s | what's the package I want to install to print to pdf |
| 04:24.37 | stew | w7nz7k: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 04:24.53 | w7nz7k | stew: cheers, mate |
| 04:24.57 | valdyn | daniel-s: cups-pdf |
| 04:25.29 | gnarface | daniel-s: fwiw this should be a stock feature of iceweasel already though |
| 04:25.36 | daniel-s | excellent, thanks valdyn |
| 04:26.15 | daniel-s | gnarface: it is, but for iceweasel only |
| 04:26.23 | daniel-s | it's not available for all applications |
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| 04:26.48 | daniel-s | I wanted a pdf virtual printer |
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| 04:26.57 | kingsley | wols_: It seems to me that the advantages to not upgrading are: 1.) Most importantly, seeing how wide of a time span debian's fine grained package dependency scheme can accommodate. I think it's cool that debian lets packages at least twelve years apart co-exist. 2.) Avoid the risk that upgrading will break something, possibly until it's reconfigured. |
| 04:27.22 | gnarface | daniel-s: i figured, just thought i'd be pedantic and clarify |
| 04:27.34 | wols_ | kingsley: compared to the certainty you have a vulnerable system |
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| 04:28.21 | wols_ | kingsley: and 2nd, you are mixing packages from different debian versions. which is a big no-no |
| 04:29.21 | kingsley | wols_: I agree that vulnerability is important. I'm happy to report that some of the packages installed are recent, and I'm definitely open to installing security updates. |
| 04:29.48 | wols_ | kingsley: you make no sense |
| 04:30.35 | gnarface | kingsley: listen. 1) make a FULL backup. 2) do a FULL update. |
| 04:31.07 | gnarface | kingsley: and god help you if you've mixed packages from ubuntu or varying debian versions |
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| 04:31.22 | gnarface | 12 years? |
| 04:31.28 | gnarface | i mean... |
| 04:31.35 | gnarface | when did kernel 2.6 come out? |
| 04:31.36 | stew | gnarface: he's got packages older than potato and packages from squeeze |
| 04:31.42 | daniel-s | gnarface: that's fine. thanks |
| 04:31.50 | daniel-s | actually, is that a standard part of firefox |
| 04:31.57 | daniel-s | or is it an extension that debian adds |
| 04:32.05 | stew | he's got packages which were uploaded to debian before debian had a "testing" suite |
| 04:32.23 | gnarface | i think i have a potato installer here with "sounds of slashdot" audio tracks |
| 04:32.24 | gnarface | lol |
| 04:32.25 | kingsley | wols_: I'm aware of the conventional wisdom that mixing code from different versions of debian is frowned upon, and I don't dispute that I've spent time fixing incompatibilities. Whether that's taken more time that upgrading everything, no one knows. |
| 04:32.49 | gnarface | kingsley: oh... someone knows. |
| 04:32.50 | daniel-s | what sound does /. have |
| 04:33.05 | gnarface | daniel-s: uh... mostly trance music, apparently |
| 04:33.24 | tehrabbitt | I know I asked this yesterday, but I didn't fully understand how hard it is to set it up... how do I bond two gigabit ports together in debian? |
| 04:33.32 | tehrabbitt | and do I need a custom kernel |
| 04:33.40 | kingsley | wols_: What doesn't make sense to you? |
| 04:34.30 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: i do not know how to do this but i'd like to actually. i can tell you that you probably do not need a custom kernel, just need to make sure the "bonding network driver" module is loaded and then add some custom network configurations |
| 04:35.07 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: there is probably a network bonding howto out there somewhere. did you check debian-administration.org? |
| 04:35.16 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: how the hell is this not in the reference manual? |
| 04:35.30 | tehrabbitt | didn't even know that site existed |
| 04:35.32 | tehrabbitt | thanks :-D |
| 04:36.13 | gnarface | np. i can't guarantee it knows either, but its worth bookmarking. |
| 04:36.38 | gnarface | what you're trying to do is one of those things that is probably trivial to do but difficult to find out how to do |
| 04:37.21 | tehrabbitt | gnarface: exactly X_X lol |
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| 04:38.18 | tehrabbitt | well it's official... my desktop is booting into debian for the first time... prior to this, linux had never touched it lol... it's the ONLY machine up to this point that had yet to be converted to linux lol |
| 04:38.26 | stew | tehrabbitt: see the documentation of the ifenslave-2.6 package and "bonding.txt" in the kernel documentation |
| 04:38.43 | tehrabbitt | stew: alrighty |
| 04:39.11 | stew | tehrabbitt: and no, you don't need a custom kernel |
| 04:39.28 | sonink | gnarface: I got sensors working with my mactel and switched back to higher res to monitor the temps. I suppose they'll probably start rising and the artifacting will appear but they haven't so far. You mentioned an xord modeline before. I |
| 04:39.30 | tehrabbitt | thanks :-D lol |
| 04:39.45 | tehrabbitt | other question... how can I change my framebuffer size? |
| 04:39.58 | tehrabbitt | or install a framebuffer |
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| 04:40.30 | sonink | gnarface: How does one do that? Will that actually prevent my hardware from overheating though? Everything displays fine right now, it just starts to degrade over time. Should I just increase my fan speeds or should I figure out how to underclock the GPU? |
| 04:41.40 | gnarface | sonink: my advice for you to seek out a modeline was based on the assumption that your artifacting issue was actually due to feeding the video card resolution settings the LCD panel couldn't handle. i ignored the possibility that it was a heat issue. if your problem is actually a heat issue ignore my advice |
| 04:42.02 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: but here: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/bonding.htm |
| 04:42.18 | sonink | gnarface: okay. np. thanks for the idea. :-) |
| 04:42.23 | nevyn | tehrabbitt: open box insert framebuffer close box. |
| 04:42.35 | gnarface | sonink: if it degrades over time (where time is greater than 1 or 2 seconds) but starts just fine that's VERY likely a heat issue. |
| 04:42.36 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 04:49.29 | tehrabbitt | it says to do this, but I don't have this directory :-\ |
| 04:49.29 | tehrabbitt | add the following lines to your /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386: |
| 04:49.42 | tehrabbitt | I have "modprobe.d" but i don't have an arch folder |
| 04:50.13 | tehrabbitt | I only have aliases.conf, blacklist.coonf, and fbdev-blacklist.conf |
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| 04:50.41 | tehrabbitt | any ideas? |
| 04:51.02 | stew | tehrabbitt: you are looking at outdated documentation |
| 04:51.09 | tehrabbitt | Ah |
| 04:51.15 | tehrabbitt | stew: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/bonding.htm |
| 04:51.17 | joulez | i have an arch folder |
| 04:51.27 | tehrabbitt | on the very bottom |
| 04:51.36 | stew | tehrabbitt: what about it? |
| 04:51.48 | tehrabbitt | where would I add that "now" since that's old / outdated? |
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| 04:52.28 | stew | tehrabbitt: well the file must end in .conf now, but why wouldn't you look at current documentation instead of trying to figure out how to adapt outdated documentation? |
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| 04:55.33 | tehrabbitt | stew: how about this one: http://www.5dollarwhitebox.org/wiki/index.php/Howtos_NIC_Bonding_Debian |
| 04:55.38 | tehrabbitt | can't find the "modutils" folder |
| 04:57.05 | stew | # Originally Written: December 2nd, 2005 |
| 04:57.12 | stew | modutils is even older |
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| 04:57.54 | stew | tehrabbitt: i've already told you twice where I think you should be looking for documentation |
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| 04:58.40 | tehrabbitt | where do I find the bonding.txt file though? |
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| 04:58.50 | stew | in the Documentation directory in the kernel source |
| 04:58.57 | tehrabbitt | Ah... |
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| 05:00.50 | stew | tehrabbitt: (or if you were googling for bonding.txt, you would be "feeling lucky") |
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| 05:01.11 | lechienkitu | C |
| 05:01.13 | lechienkitu | erf |
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| 05:03.07 | kingsley | I'm happy to report that stew's fine suggestion of using "aptitude changelog <package-name>" to report a package's release date seems to be working reasonably well inside an archeological script that's trying to report on every package on my computer.. |
| 05:04.05 | kingsley | I look forward to having an objective measurement of how versatile debian's fine grained package management has actually worked in my experiment. |
| 05:04.22 | kingsley | needs to go soon. |
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| 05:04.46 | tehrabbitt | that's alot of reading for bonding 2 nics :-\ lol i have a feeling though I don't need 3/4 of it |
| 05:04.48 | kingsley | With a little luck, I'll be able to render a nice histogram. |
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| 05:05.03 | sonink | gnarface: so my macbookpro hard locked after I ran it at full resolution for a little while. rebooted and it was in that reso and started artifacting after a minute. switching to lower resolution made it all stop even though the temperature is still about the same. Looks like I'll need to read into the underclocking |
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| 05:07.40 | wols_ | sonink: underclock what? gpu or cpu? |
| 05:07.48 | sonink | guessing gpu |
| 05:08.16 | wols_ | afaik that's ard to do. dunno of over/underclock utils for current gpus for linux |
| 05:08.26 | vanguard | I build a package for debian, it has no warnings in lintian … how can I submit it to debian? |
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| 05:10.35 | sonink | video artifacts usually mean gpu issues right? |
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| 05:10.57 | vanguard | sonink: could be overheating, or if you have hooked it up with VGA, it might be that |
| 05:12.21 | wols_ | sonink: yes. could it be one of the nvidia GPUs which are known bad? |
| 05:12.34 | wols_ | G8x series? |
| 05:12.40 | sonink | I think I saw it on a gentoo page for mactel configuration. nah it's an earlier macbook pro with ATI Radeon X1600 chip |
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| 05:35.50 | tehrabbitt | well I followed that guide, and I'm able to "ifup bond0" however.. I can't seem to ping out to any local or external IPs :-\ |
| 05:35.54 | sonink | exit |
| 05:36.02 | tehrabbitt | I added 'route default gw 192.168.1.1" as well |
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| 05:36.31 | tehrabbitt | any ideas of things i may have overlooked? |
| 05:36.59 | tehrabbitt | hm nvm a restart fixed it 0_o |
| 05:37.00 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 05:37.50 | tekzilla | is there a software equivalent to replugging an usb device ? |
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| 06:12.35 | tehrabbitt | back... |
| 06:12.39 | tehrabbitt | got KDE installed... |
| 06:12.46 | tehrabbitt | having a weird VGA / DVI issue |
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| 06:13.05 | tehrabbitt | I have a dual-monitor setup on an ATI 5770 card... |
| 06:13.12 | tehrabbitt | one monitor is VGA only, the other supports DVI |
| 06:13.38 | tehrabbitt | when I try to "configure KDE for multiple monitors" it says that I "do not appear to have this configuration" |
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| 06:14.00 | tehrabbitt | however, I can tell KDE that my "right" monitor is on the right by choosing orientation |
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| 06:14.44 | tehrabbitt | the thing that is really weird is that on the VGA monitor, I cannot seem to select the resolution "1280x1024" which I KNOW is supported.... is there a way to fix it? |
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| 06:16.32 | tehrabbitt | anyone here? |
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| 06:19.09 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: sounds like it could be two different problems |
| 06:19.26 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: first of all make sure your video card drivers can support dual-head video cards (the open source ones probably do not) |
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| 06:20.10 | tehrabbitt | gnarface, how can I check? |
| 06:20.56 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: your /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be a good place to start |
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| 06:21.33 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: modern ati/amd and nvidia cards almost universally lack such features unless you're using their proprietary drivers though, fyi |
| 06:22.01 | tehrabbitt | ah :-\ |
| 06:22.08 | tehrabbitt | gnarface, so how do I get dual heads working then :-\ |
| 06:22.17 | tehrabbitt | the lack of 1280x1024 is killing me :-\ |
| 06:23.19 | gnarface | well since you're using an ATI card i'm the wrong one to ask, but since the official nvidia binary gunk drivers DO come with a VERY thorough readme file i would be surprised if the ATI ones did not also |
| 06:23.20 | ayambit | tehrabbitt: zis is linux in twenty eleven. Running mainframes, but still can't get normal dualhead support. |
| 06:23.24 | ayambit | Love it. |
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| 06:25.08 | winter | hrhr |
| 06:26.15 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: its probably gonna involve something like this: 1) install flglrpqx whatever driver from ATI 2) read the README.txt in detail 3) hand edit xorg.conf 4) profit |
| 06:26.25 | tehrabbitt | 0_o lol |
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| 06:26.41 | tehrabbitt | sooo along the same lines of when i wanted to get compiz-fusion working on ATI back a few years ago |
| 06:26.41 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 06:26.59 | gnarface | the more things change, the more they stay the same :-| |
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| 06:29.05 | buhman | how can I make aptitude ignore package dependencies just for one operation? |
| 06:29.18 | gnarface | --force? |
| 06:29.35 | tehrabbitt | gnarface, where is xorg conf hiding? |
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| 06:30.10 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: to make things extra intersting they've decided to now make it "optional" (even though in most cases for anything other than the most basic of functionailty it is fucking FAR from optional) |
| 06:30.15 | tehrabbitt | btw, got the awesome bonded eth0 and eth1 working... totally worth it :-D |
| 06:30.22 | gnarface | grats! |
| 06:30.29 | gnarface | wasn't hard? |
| 06:30.31 | tehrabbitt | gnarface, X_X optional... lol |
| 06:30.41 | tehrabbitt | gnarface, Eh a bit tricky knowing all the options |
| 06:30.55 | tehrabbitt | I might throw up a tutorial on my site later on how I did it / some other options |
| 06:30.58 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: translation: it still goes in /etc/X11/xorg.conf you just now may have to make the whole thing from scratch |
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| 06:31.15 | tehrabbitt | gnarface, So basically i'm screwed... X_X |
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| 06:31.26 | tehrabbitt | unless I want to spend more $$$ on a DVI monitor... |
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| 06:31.36 | buhman | great; that worked well. How can I say that I want to keep a package at a specific version? |
| 06:31.40 | buhman | or range of versions |
| 06:31.56 | buhman | (only upgrade if the newer version is < version) |
| 06:31.58 | tehrabbitt | what's REALLY weird, is when the PC boots, I see the BIOS on both monitors, everything, all the way up to logging in |
| 06:32.00 | tehrabbitt | Heh |
| 06:32.07 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: nah, not screwed. chances are learning how to do this will give you knowledge that will carry over to many other adjacent models of ATI cards and won't be wasted from just an xorg customization perspective either. just expect to need a few hours to read and test |
| 06:32.15 | buhman | tehrabbitt: .. up until xorg starts maybe? |
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| 06:32.34 | tehrabbitt | buhman, Probabbly |
| 06:32.46 | tehrabbitt | I know the entire time it's in CLI, it's a mirrored image |
| 06:32.59 | tehrabbitt | until I go to log in |
| 06:33.08 | tehrabbitt | once i log in, it goes from mirrored, to split screen |
| 06:33.14 | gnarface | tehrabbitt: i've had to learn to do all this for my nvidia binary gunk drivers but the config i use i can now copy with minor edits to any of my boxes that has a nvidia card older than TNT era |
| 06:34.08 | ayambit | Use proprietary ati driver settings. |
| 06:34.26 | ayambit | It has control panel which sometimes even works, lol. |
| 06:35.16 | gnarface | ayambit: i wish they could all just play nice too. supposedly some day AMD will... or so they claimed when they bought ATI.... |
| 06:35.31 | gnarface | isn't holding his breath though |
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| 06:36.26 | ayambit | gnarface: it's not ATI's failure, it's XORG friggin' failure. Nvidia driver works so good because it replaces some screwed parts of XOrg AFAIK. |
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| 06:37.18 | gnarface | ayambit: you may be right but since its barely within my technical grasp to make it actually work after reading the directions, let alone IMPLEMENT a video card driver... i'd prefer to just blame EVERYONE |
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| 06:38.32 | ayambit | gnarface: If you installed ATI proprietary driver, play a little with it's control panel. I got it working on my ATI 4890 card and dualhead setup... |
| 06:38.41 | gnarface | the nvidia driver DOES work well for dual-head though its proprietary "TwinView" configuration not only sidesteps xinerama but requires xorg.conf config parameters that are an utter bastardization of the standard xorg.conf syntax, |
| 06:38.54 | tehrabbitt | gnarface, hm... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver |
| 06:38.58 | gnarface | but i can't conclusively say whether that can be entirely blamed on only on eparty |
| 06:39.06 | gnarface | one party, i mean |
| 06:39.31 | ayambit | gnarface: XOrg is sooooo screwed that Canonical decided to get rid of it entirely. |
| 06:39.57 | Fudge | where do i find the repo for sid, for the kernel |
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| 06:47.08 | E-man | Sup |
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| 06:47.30 | Fudge | hi E-man |
| 06:47.33 | winter | o/ |
| 06:47.58 | E-man | I'm bored :/ |
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| 06:49.55 | winter | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.27 | E-man | Count to 10 |
| 06:50.28 | E-man | I'll start |
| 06:50.31 | E-man | 1 |
| 06:50.48 | E-man | Go :) |
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| 06:51.07 | winter | why, this is stupid and offtopic |
| 06:51.07 | E-man | :( |
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| 06:51.24 | E-man | What is on-topic then. |
| 06:51.29 | gnarface | E-man: if you're that bored, find a spare piece of hardware and shoehorn SID on to it :) |
| 06:51.44 | E-man | Lol |
| 06:51.51 | gnarface | that's what i do when i'm bored |
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| 06:51.56 | gnarface | install SID on a p3 |
| 06:52.07 | E-man | I'd rather take mu computer apart and put it back together |
| 06:52.23 | gnarface | that works too. then start a quake server on it |
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| 06:54.02 | E-man | That's more fun IMO |
| 06:54.18 | gnarface | only once you give out the IP :) |
| 06:55.13 | E-man | Lol |
| 06:55.18 | E-man | You first |
| 06:55.34 | E-man | Im in 56k lol |
| 06:55.35 | E-man | On* |
| 06:55.43 | gnarface | i had one actually but right now its a left4dead server |
| 06:56.07 | gnarface | got l4d? (version1, not 2) i'll give you the ip of my server |
| 06:57.10 | E-man | I need to dl it again. So no |
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| 06:57.27 | E-man | I have 2 tho |
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| 06:57.49 | E-man | I also have a black post server |
| 06:58.03 | blacklight | hi, i have a (hopefully) quick issue to solve...i just dist-upgraded to wheezy from a fresh squeeze installation |
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| 06:58.14 | blacklight | on my squeeze instalation i had already installed fglrx drivers |
| 06:58.15 | E-man | But its a piece of shit gameserver.com server |
| 06:58.43 | blacklight | now i only have (i think) vesa driver in my xorg and no graphical acceleration |
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| 06:59.21 | gnarface | blacklight: expect anything not in a debian package to get wiped by upgrading. |
| 06:59.23 | blacklight | are wheezy and kernel 2.6.39 currently supporting ati acceleration? or any new driver? |
| 06:59.49 | blacklight | gnarface: what's the current solution for getting ati acceleration working in wheezy? |
| 07:00.04 | blacklight | i don't want to run the .sh file again and break my system dependancies again |
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| 07:00.27 | gnarface | blacklight: uh... not saying there isn't one, but i don't know it. |
| 07:00.36 | E-man | I haven't been on my Linux in days |
| 07:01.19 | blacklight | also googling won't help much, the official debian wiki still speaks over the squeeze approach (that's not working anymore on wheezy) |
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| 07:02.26 | E-man | I'm out. |
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| 07:03.13 | E-man | Take care.... all 1000 of you. |
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| 07:04.47 | ksx4system | how do i force several daemons (samba - smbd and nmbd) not to start? these were included in dependencies for smbclient but i don't want them to run |
| 07:05.04 | Ikarus | then uninstall them, smbclient just recommends them |
| 07:05.09 | Ikarus | it doesn't hard depend on them |
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| 07:06.27 | ksx4system | Ikarus: not really. i just tried to uninstall them but apt wants to delete smbclient too |
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| 07:07.36 | Ikarus | ksx4system: huh, those aren't the normal samba packages then |
| 07:07.45 | Ikarus | I can't find a dependency on them that would cause thi |
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| 07:09.18 | ksx4system | i'm trying to make XFCE see my samba shares (from my Debian server and openSUSE workstation) while using smallest possible number of packages |
| 07:09.43 | gnarface | Ikarus: can't you just find symlinks to SMBD and NMBD in "/etc/rc?.d" and change their names from S* to K*? |
| 07:10.12 | ksx4system | gnarface: nice idea. i'll try to do so |
| 07:10.17 | gnarface | was under the impression that still worked, even for innserv and parallel booting |
| 07:10.26 | Ikarus | gnarface: yes, but he shouldn't have samba daemons at all when just using smbclient |
| 07:10.27 | geaaru | hi at all, postfix package version 2.7.1-1+squeeze1 contains vda patch for mailbox quota ? thanks in advance |
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| 07:11.14 | gnarface | Ikarus: i think you're right but don't they just get auto installed with any samba thing you install? |
| 07:11.24 | Ikarus | no |
| 07:11.33 | gnarface | hmm |
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| 07:11.45 | gnarface | ksx4system: you didn't install samba by source, did you? |
| 07:11.50 | Ikarus | samba server and client side just share some libraries and tools |
| 07:12.09 | Ikarus | the client doesn't need the server to work and hence doesn't require it in anyway |
| 07:12.22 | ksx4system | gnarface: nope. i did "apt-get install smbclient" |
| 07:12.29 | tvm | ikarus: update-rc.d smbd remove |
| 07:12.34 | tvm | ikarus: update-rc.d nmbd remove |
| 07:12.35 | tvm | done. |
| 07:12.55 | gnarface | Ikarus: i'm not disagreeing with the first part of that statement, but i seem to recall that they get installed by default even if you only request smbclient |
| 07:13.14 | Ikarus | meh, I'll walk the dependency tree later |
| 07:13.16 | Ikarus | now breakfast |
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| 07:13.44 | gnarface | ksx4system: short version is either way, you don't need them if you're not hosting shares, so you can just remove them and use smbclient only |
| 07:14.06 | ksx4system | Ikarus: enjoy your meal and thanks for help! |
| 07:14.12 | gnarface | ksx4system: in fact you probably don't even need smbclient. you can probably just use mount commands and the smbfs or cifs module |
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| 07:14.53 | ksx4system | gnarface: i found something like this http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Thunar_Samba_Support and afaics it needs smbclient |
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| 07:15.47 | gnarface | ksx4system: how do you see that? i don't even see smbclient mentioned on that page... just mount commands |
| 07:16.33 | gnarface | ksx4system: also thats fuse+gentoo docs. don't overcomplicate this |
| 07:16.41 | ksx4system | "his guide assumes you already have Samba set up correctly" line but it may be my wrong understanding of this manual. |
| 07:17.19 | ksx4system | sometimes I use docs from Gentoo and solutions work well for me :) (but usually need MUCH more work) |
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| 07:19.06 | ksx4system | i'm trying to make my netbook (Debian squeeze, XFCE provided on squeeze CD) |
| 07:19.24 | ksx4system | see shares when it's connected to home network |
| 07:20.21 | gnarface | that's not hard if you know the right information |
| 07:20.47 | gnarface | in fact you can do it all from your fstab if you have the syntax right |
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| 07:23.15 | ksx4system | it's possible, i know. but this way excludes auto-finding new shares (is it possible?) and maybe there will be some problems when i'll turn netbook on without network and/or with 3G<->wi-fi modem |
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| 07:24.01 | gnarface | ksx4system: well, i would strongly recommend against having them auto-mount.... |
| 07:24.52 | ksx4system | gnarface: why? i never use foreign networks, only home one (WPA2) and 3G pocket router (WPA2 too, perfectly secure) |
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| 07:26.27 | gnarface | ksx4system: you're free to ignore that piece of advice at your peril. soon enough you will know why i gave it to you. |
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| 07:35.23 | niklaswe | hello everyone |
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| 07:44.05 | Fudge | wols_ you about cobber? |
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| 07:46.25 | Fudge | hi, still do not understand why when updating to a new kernel dbg amd64 486 images are also downloaded and installed. how can i stop it, or can i update to a 2.6.39 kernel and not get the .dbg. pastebinned the summary http://pastebin.com/vrjmnt4m |
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| 07:48.47 | cusco | that seems odd |
| 07:48.53 | cusco | why does it select 'for regex' ? |
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| 07:51.21 | mfaroukg1 | is there a problem with adobe these days , I can't watch streaming on my laptop?? |
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| 07:51.49 | simonlnu | yeh, and that's totally off-topic. |
| 07:51.58 | niklaswe | hmm does someone know how i can migrate my database from mysql to postgres? |
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| 07:52.51 | simonlnu | the mysql dump. use that. convert it. add to pg. done. |
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| 07:53.53 | vikapi | my volume controller, when i open it --> preferences --> select Digital and Capture.. |
| 07:54.08 | vikapi | but when i close and re-open the volume controller, i see mute sign in it. |
| 07:54.29 | vikapi | basically im not gettin my microphone to work in my laptop -- using debian squeeze |
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| 07:57.03 | vikapi | http://pastebin.com/PV2d4zZA |
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| 07:57.59 | vikapi | http://pastebin.com/eyWpGZg3 is this a normal output.. card0 is assignd with 2 different devices. |
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| 08:29.48 | sphenxes | Where can I find, which hardware controller that works with debian? I have surfed several home pages information is really old. |
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| 08:49.51 | Pupeno_ | What's the name of that program that easily creates deb packages just by running ./configure, make make install? |
| 08:50.15 | llutz | Pupeno_: checkinstall , don't use "make install" |
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| 08:51.09 | llutz | Pupeno_: checkinstall is a wrapper for that |
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| 08:56.04 | mohamed-ragab | hi, i lost all file in /dev/* how to restor it |
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| 08:59.50 | epsilon | sata, sas, full hardware-raid, chipset-RAID... |
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| 09:00.18 | epsilon | required raid levels, number of discs... |
| 09:00.31 | sphenxes | Raid 1, 2 discs |
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| 09:03.32 | epsilon | sphenxes: so a simple setup... any popular one should work |
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| 09:05.30 | sphenxes | epsilon, (i am newbie), I am looking for which controller supported by debian. Should any Adaptec card work? or what should i look for |
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| 09:07.32 | epsilon | adaptec or LSI 3ware are popular hardware-RAID cards, pic a model and check if it's supported in vanilla |
| 09:08.15 | sphenxes | epsilon, thanks |
| 09:08.20 | epsilon | with google and leech the kernelsource you're using and see the support is compiled in |
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| 09:45.47 | chrismay | hi, when rebuilding a debian package e.g. php5. How to solve dependency issues like "php5 hängt ab von php5-common (>= 5.3.3-7+squeeze1)"? |
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| 09:47.39 | chrismay | where can i read about such things? |
| 09:47.53 | chrismay | rebuilding packages to accomodate my needs? |
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| 09:51.24 | babilen | chrismay: What are you trying to actually achieve? |
| 09:51.41 | DasEi | chrismay: read about dpkg and apt, if you want to resolve dependencies |
| 09:52.23 | chrismay | babilen: building a php5 debian package with oci8 support enabled |
| 09:52.41 | babilen | %package recompile |
| 09:52.41 | dselect | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
| 09:53.14 | babilen | chrismay: And that ^^^ does not work? Or what is the problem you are facing now? Can't you install "your" package? |
| 09:53.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | wait, aptitude has build-dep now? |
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| 09:54.08 | babilen | chrismay: You might want to paste the complete errors you are seeing to http://paste.debian.net -- That would make it easier for us to help you. |
| 09:54.12 | chrismay | bablien: it does but now my new php5 package depends on php5-common-5.3.3-7-squeeze1 but php5-common-5.3.3.-7 is actually installed because i did not rebuild php5-common |
| 09:54.20 | babilen | Kamping_Kaiser: yup |
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| 09:54.35 | babilen | chrismay: IRC tip: Try "bab<TAB>" |
| 09:54.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | since 2008, wow |
| 09:55.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | here was me still thinking it wasn't supported -.- |
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| 09:56.20 | babilen | chrismay: Ah! I understand what your problem is now, you have to install *all* the binary packages from "your" build. I am not familiar with the php5 source package, but it most likely build more than one binary package. Use those. |
| 09:56.30 | chrismay | babilen: i have no error message. I put all the new debian packages under a local repository /var/www/debian and using dselect i can't resolve this dependency issue |
| 09:57.00 | babilen | chrismay: using dselect? try aptitude :) |
| 09:57.28 | ompaul | or apt-get |
| 09:57.37 | babilen | chrismay: Or just run "dpkg -i the_debs_you_want.deb" |
| 09:57.55 | chrismay | babilen: right, many binary packages, and php5-common_5.3.3-7+squeeze1 is among them. Strange, why does it not just install it |
| 09:57.56 | ompaul | sends the men in white coats to check on chrismay for using dselect ;-) |
| 09:58.37 | babilen | ompaul: I should just enable autocorrection in my IRC client that always replaces "aptitude" with "aptitutude / apt-get" -- Unfortunately that is no solution either as that would mess up commands. |
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| 10:00.04 | babilen | chrismay: What does "apt-cache policy php5-common" give you? Can you paste that to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:00.18 | disaster123 | hey guys i've a package using old DH_COMPAT 1 ;-) it compiles and runs fine. Now i want to switch it to 4 or 5 but then the resulting .deb is empty. What do i miss? |
| 10:00.24 | chrismay | yesterday I just did dpkg -i ... without a local repository with all the binaries inside. Today I made the repository and the problem I dealing with now is caused by using dpkg -i yesterday ... |
| 10:00.36 | ompaul | babilen: ahh but the joys of writing the code with forking and a y n option must at least make you grin |
| 10:01.05 | Fudge | debian-sid |
| 10:01.12 | Fudge | whoops |
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| 10:02.09 | Leoneof | i have 8 iso dvd for debian 6.0.1 and two iso for debian-update 6.0.2, is there a way to update these 8 isos in offline mode? |
| 10:02.40 | babilen | disaster123: Try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- You want to check against http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/upgrading-checklist.txt |
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| 10:04.51 | x1631f | i have debian installed on my older laptop's 1tb hdd, if i replace my new laptop's hdd with the older one, will debian work right away without problems? |
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| 10:05.31 | chrismay | babilen: could not add your entry to the paste database: invalid format for name (no special chars, max 10 chars) |
| 10:05.53 | kutchbhi | Trying to create a preseed.cfg file. I just want to include the option to install grub on the same partiion as the / partition |
| 10:05.54 | sauvin | x1631f, maybe not if there are hardware differences. |
| 10:06.25 | kutchbhi | This is the list I have to include : #d-i grub-installer/bootdev string (hd0,0) , but how do I find the partition number on which debian would be installed? |
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| 10:06.31 | babilen | chrismay: My entry? Please don't add babilen to your database or paste the complete error along with the command that caused it. Also let me see "apt-cache policy php5-common" |
| 10:06.37 | kutchbhi | my partition table looks like this : http://i.imgur.com/SC3yC.jpg |
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| 10:06.52 | x1631f | sauvin: i see, i thought the drivers are compiled as modules and loaded when needed. |
| 10:07.11 | x1631f | unlike windows. |
| 10:07.20 | sauvin | And if you're missing modules? What about initrd? |
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| 10:07.54 | x1631f | i see. will reconfiguring the kernel-image package fix that? or mkinitrd .. |
| 10:08.19 | Pupeno_ | I'm trying to install postgresql but something is getting mixed with the backports. I'm not trying to use the backports at all for this, any ideas what's going on: https://gist.github.com/1071504 ? |
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| 10:08.41 | chrismay | babilen: when i tried pasting the output of "apt-cache policy php5-common" to http://paste.debian.net i got the error i just mentioned |
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| 10:09.13 | chrismay | babilen: is there a "less restrictive" place to paste this? |
| 10:10.25 | babilen | chrismay: You do not have to give a name -- Just paste the text into the textfield and hit send. Give me URL then. There are many other pastebins, but http://paste.debian.net works fine. What did you use as "name" ? |
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| 10:11.28 | chrismay | babilen: thank you for your patience, here the url: http://paste.debian.net/122298/ |
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| 10:13.59 | chrismay | babilen: the name was quite, "rebuild php5 package" |
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| 10:15.48 | babilen | chrismay: what? So, what happens if you try to install php5? May I see "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5" ? (Or whatever package yuu want to install) |
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| 10:18.15 | chrismay | babilen: "aptitude install php5" gives me instructions on how to solve the dependencies. But the suggestions do not look good to me. It's all german should i paste it nonetheless? |
| 10:18.55 | babilen | chrismay: ja, kein ding -- but you could also run "LANG=C aptitude ..." to get the output in English. |
| 10:18.56 | _KaszpiR_ | heh |
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| 10:19.08 | _KaszpiR_ | export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 10:19.13 | _KaszpiR_ | and you get english |
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| 10:19.18 | _KaszpiR_ | ofc if you got locales |
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| 10:19.23 | skilz | whats the command to search my hdd for a file name |
| 10:19.37 | babilen | %localized errors |
| 10:19.37 | dselect | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
| 10:19.56 | skilz | like if I wanted to find iceweasel.png for example |
| 10:19.59 | _KaszpiR_ | skilz locate, find |
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| 10:20.07 | wathek | hi all |
| 10:20.12 | babilen | skilz: "find", "locate" and other tools come to mind. |
| 10:20.23 | chrismay | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/122299 |
| 10:20.23 | wathek | I'm looking for the netinstall iso of Lenny I cannot find it would any one help me please ? |
| 10:20.23 | skilz | so find file.name |
| 10:20.41 | _KaszpiR_ | find directory/ -name pattern |
| 10:21.00 | _KaszpiR_ | but try locate iceweasel.png |
| 10:21.32 | skilz | thanks |
| 10:22.24 | babilen | chrismay: What are the next suggestions? I wouldn't say that it looks bad. Either try different solutions (enter "n" where aptitude asks you) or remove the "old" php installation first. |
| 10:23.41 | wathek | found it |
| 10:23.44 | chrismay | babilen: As i understand it now, when installing all the binaries it just build when my intend was just to rebuild php5. Then there should be no dependency issues at all? Is that correct? |
| 10:23.44 | wathek | thank you guys |
| 10:24.48 | babilen | chrismay: Yes, may I see the rest of the solutions aptitude comes up with? You need to bump all php5 packages to your +squeeze1 version. |
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| 10:25.56 | chrismay | babilen: What do you mean by "to bump all php5 packages to your +squezze1 version"? |
| 10:26.09 | dedbef | upgrade is what im guessing |
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| 10:26.37 | babilen | dedbef: thanks for translating :) |
| 10:26.56 | chrismay | babilen: How do i get to see the rest of the solutions? |
| 10:27.00 | babilen | chrismay: You know what, we could just talk in German over at #debian.de on irc.oftc.net ;) |
| 10:27.24 | babilen | chrismay: I told you, run "n" for "do not accept this solution" |
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| 10:27.46 | babilen | chrismay: But I would actually just remove every trace of PHP from your system and leave it that way. |
| 10:28.11 | babilen | chrismay: A customer will most likely complain and you can then install it cleanly without getting it confused. |
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| 10:33.52 | babilen | chrismay: btw, what does "aptitude safe-upgrade" gives you? |
| 10:34.33 | chrismay | babilen: here all the suggestions from aptitude: http://paste.debian.net/122300 |
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| 10:34.55 | inho | aptitude safe-upgrade will not upgrade packages if: |
| 10:34.55 | inho | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.55 | inho | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:34.57 | inho | :P |
| 10:36.06 | chrismay | babilen: "aptitude safe-upgrade": http://paste.debian.net/122301 |
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| 10:37.00 | chrismay | babilen: actually the output of "aptitude sage-upgrade" looks good to me? |
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| 10:37.52 | babilen | chrismay: The second solution looks good? Or? And do you want to run php on apache? |
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| 10:38.04 | babilen | chrismay: one second .. |
| 10:38.36 | babilen | chrismay: yeah, that looks fine. run aptitude safe-upgrade and be done with it. (hopefully -- if you compiled the package correctly) |
| 10:38.38 | chrismay | babilen: yes, php and apache but first php cli |
| 10:38.46 | babilen | I see :) |
| 10:39.41 | babilen | chrismay: You run Oracle on Debian? |
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| 10:40.53 | chrismay | babilen: no, i have a seperate machine running oracle linux |
| 10:41.13 | babilen | ok |
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| 10:41.58 | babilen | chrismay: Otherwise I would have been interested in your experiences, as Oracle does not support Debian. (naturally, only enterprisey distros) |
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| 10:45.32 | chrismay | babilen: well my experience is limited to the oracle database express edtion and the x64 architecture. I did not get the express edtion to work with squeeze, not the oracle express edition 10g (32bit) nor the new oracle express edtion beta (64bit). i got the oracle express edtion 10g (32bit) version working with lenny amd64 before though. |
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| 10:46.48 | babilen | chrismay: I guess that the php situation is solves now, or? |
| 10:47.58 | chrismay | babilen: aptitude went fine |
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| 10:56.40 | chrismay | babilen: i added /etc/php5/conf.d/oci8.ini although i can't find a *oci8*.so file. phpinfo doesn't show anything either. i build the package with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--with-oci8=instantclient,/home/chris/usr/instantclient_11_2/" fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 10:59.31 | chrismay | babilen: i did not look at the output of the build process for any error messages regarding oci8. all a little overwhelming at the first time |
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| 11:00.08 | chrismay | babilen: need a break, thank you |
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| 11:05.00 | DolbyS | hi all.. how i delete all the logs in my machine from shell... i'm root |
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| 11:05.46 | DotHack | im trying to get the portmap en nfs-common statd to be stopped when rebooting but update-rc.d disable portmap doesnt do it how should i do this? |
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| 11:06.19 | xk | DotHack: -f "remove" & "disable". |
| 11:06.33 | xk | er |
| 11:06.36 | DotHack | xk: why remove? |
| 11:06.38 | xk | what are you trying to do exatly? |
| 11:06.47 | xk | to never start the init script ever again on system boot? |
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| 11:07.03 | DotHack | when i boot my server the portmap en nfs-common daemons are started i do not want that |
| 11:07.07 | xk | ok |
| 11:07.08 | MrFrood | DotHack: also you may also want to investigate logrotate |
| 11:07.10 | xk | -f remove will do that |
| 11:07.40 | DotHack | xk: whats the difference then? will disable only kill a running daemon? |
| 11:07.52 | xk | "disable" is the new init way of turning off services |
| 11:07.58 | xk | -f remove is the old way that is still required. |
| 11:08.01 | themill | you might want to read the paragraph "A common system administration error..." in man update-rc.d |
| 11:09.15 | DotHack | themill: ok that for the headup but im not manually deleting links |
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| 11:09.50 | patzak | m? |
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| 11:10.36 | DotHack | xk so remove and disable are needed... |
| 11:11.32 | xk | yes. but as themill's reference mentions, you have to be careful if the package is upgraded |
| 11:11.35 | xk | as the links will be re-added |
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| 11:12.22 | xk | so it looks like apt-get -f remove isn't the right approach? heh |
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| 11:13.00 | DotHack | xk: disable will mark the service as disable for the postinst script right? |
| 11:13.17 | xk | DotHack: disable will tell it not to run by the new init start method. |
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| 11:13.37 | xk | it's a complicated mess that I dont even understand what's going on |
| 11:13.44 | xk | so I just run the two commands ;o |
| 11:13.49 | DotHack | xk: the new init start method? how can i tell what init method is used? |
| 11:13.58 | xk | squeeze uses the new method |
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| 11:14.33 | xk | DotHack: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 11:17.34 | DotHack | xk: so i should alter the scripts found in init.d not to have runlevel 2 as default start |
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| 11:18.41 | xk | DotHack: no. remove and disable the init script, then make sure the package isn't upgraded. If you do, repeat the process. |
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| 11:21.24 | DotHack | xk: this really is confusing!! the manual stated that using disable to disable a service is the good way to do it.... why doesnt it work!! |
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| 11:23.18 | DotHack | xk: ah stupid me the services are started is S not in 2.... |
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| 11:28.52 | Miesco | Is adobe air in the repository squeeze? |
| 11:29.00 | Miesco | ,version adobe-air |
| 11:29.08 | Miesco | ,versions adobe-air |
| 11:29.09 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'adobe-air' was found in i386. |
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| 11:30.14 | stew | Miesco: its license prohibits us from distrubting it |
| 11:30.46 | abrotman | anyone other than adobe, right? |
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| 11:33.48 | MrFrood | have not adobe dropped linux support of air? |
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| 11:34.44 | abrotman | it's on their website |
| 11:34.47 | Lasers | Sure. I remember reading about that. |
| 11:34.56 | MrFrood | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/17/adobe_backs_off_air_for_linux/ |
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| 11:42.39 | blacklight | it worked like a charm more or less |
| 11:42.46 | blacklight | now i have two big problems |
| 11:43.02 | blacklight | 1) the screen resolution is 1024x768 and it looks like i can't go over that |
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| 11:43.24 | blacklight | it used to be 1280x800 before, on my screen 1024x768 is rendered in a really bad way, how can i change it? |
| 11:43.38 | blacklight | 2) suddenly it looks like my ethernet interface died, using wifi now |
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| 11:51.20 | blacklight | anyone knowing over this issue with mesa/radeon free driver? it's really annoying not to be able to go over 1024x768 |
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| 11:56.01 | marti | hi, how can I check when my system has been installed? |
| 11:56.11 | marti | the date of install system |
| 11:56.15 | marti | I got Debian ofz |
| 11:56.39 | lechienkitu | rlz, You didn't find a answer on google ? |
| 11:57.01 | themill | marti: the installer normally leaves a log in /var/log/installer/ |
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| 11:58.00 | marti | I don't have this file in /var/log |
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| 11:58.31 | marti | hold sec |
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| 11:59.25 | lechienkitu | I go see if i've it ^^ |
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| 11:59.43 | lechienkitu | I've it |
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| 12:02.19 | marti | I found it, 28 august :D |
| 12:02.26 | marti | thx |
| 12:02.31 | lechienkitu | o/ |
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| 12:16.20 | blue_sky | I've just found an entry in /etc/passwd where the name ends in a $ (eg. dave$) is the $ significant or perhaps just a typo? |
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| 12:20.15 | poisonbit | # adduser test$ |
| 12:20.15 | poisonbit | adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured |
| 12:20.16 | poisonbit | via the NAME_REGEX configuration variable. Use the `--force-badname' |
| 12:20.16 | poisonbit | option to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX. |
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| 12:20.35 | ekscrypto | blue_sky: I believe it disables the account without removing it from passwd |
| 12:21.15 | blue_sky | ekscrypto: thank you, I can easily test that |
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| 12:22.13 | Jarvis | poisonbit: the only system i can think of that may do that is samba |
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| 12:27.02 | blue_sky | ekscrypto: I'm still able to su -- [user$], I'm not certain the $ does what you suggest. I'll have to investigate further. |
| 12:27.37 | ekscrypto | blue_sky: thanks for the feedback, it was just a guess :) |
| 12:28.49 | blue_sky | ekscrypto: np |
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| 12:30.54 | mrtnt1 | Under Debian/Ubuntu if I execute for example "$ both" or "$ npat"(http://pastebin.com/asjqzGyh) I get suggestions to real packages which have a similar name. How is this service called, which makes those suggestions? |
| 12:31.21 | abrotman | mrtnt1: that's ubuntu |
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| 12:35.11 | themill | ,info command-not-found |
| 12:35.13 | judd | Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 0.2.38-1; Size: 12.7k; Installed: 144k |
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| 12:37.11 | babilen | it is packaged! :) |
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| 12:37.28 | jelly | and it works only with bash |
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| 12:40.47 | slidesinger | (squeeze) I was given a trendnet tew-641pc wireless N card. Inserting into the slot generates a "pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket0: pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0" message that ends with the word "disabled" lspci ids the card as "Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8190" |
| 12:41.03 | xk | realtek! |
| 12:41.08 | slidesinger | Package firmware-realtek has been installed. |
| 12:41.34 | slidesinger | Trying to figure out the where and why of it being disabled. |
| 12:42.21 | jelly | slidesinger: does it work if it's present on power-on? |
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| 12:46.31 | slidesinger | jelly: Just did a reboot to confirm. There are not even any dmesg messages concerning it on boot. |
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| 12:47.50 | nyholt | Hi all, I'm running Debian 6.0.1 Squeeze, with a full /tmp directory, how do I truncate/clear/empty it? If I execute sudo rm -rf /tmp/*, there's no complaining, but it doesnt actually remove the files either? thx |
| 12:48.20 | jordanm | nyholt: if they start with ".", that glob will not match it |
| 12:48.37 | jordanm | nyholt: use something like find /tmp -type f -print -delete |
| 12:49.19 | jordanm | nyholt: also, if you are talking about full on inodes, if the glob did match, it would be too many arguements to rm |
| 12:49.20 | nyholt | ok, trying that... btw, they have names like "ZyqnBf" and are reported to be zero byte files by ls -la |
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| 12:49.45 | jordanm | nyholt: and you are just out of inodes? |
| 12:49.58 | nyholt | with -rw------- privileges and buildout:buildout |
| 12:50.14 | nyholt | I guess that's whats happening indeed (the inodes story) |
| 12:50.26 | jordanm | nyholt: is something creating the files as fast as you can delete them? |
| 12:51.41 | nyholt | jordanm: the dates are from several days |
| 12:52.00 | nyholt | It's full of entries like this: -rw------- 1 buildout 0 Jul 7 05:36 Zyboo- |
| 12:52.09 | jordanm | nyholt: well, if they don't start with a "." then the * glob should match them |
| 12:52.26 | nyholt | any logfiles I should check? |
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| 12:52.31 | jordanm | no |
| 12:52.44 | jordanm | echo /tmp/* |
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| 12:53.21 | jordanm | nyholt: you are root, right? /tmp is sticky by default |
| 12:53.47 | nyholt | I'm not root but in sudoers with all=all all |
| 12:53.49 | slidesinger | jelly: Just did a complete power off and power on with the card inserted. I did find a message concerning the card in dmesg which I missed on the last go. Same message as when you do an insert of the card after power on. |
| 12:54.14 | jordanm | nyholt: sudo -i |
| 12:54.24 | slidesinger | PME# disabled |
| 12:55.20 | nyholt | jordanm https://gist.github.com/1071754 |
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| 12:55.33 | nyholt | thats what it says now that I'm running rm as root |
| 12:55.38 | nyholt | any way to escape that? |
| 12:55.48 | jelly | slidesinger: that looks like some power-management related PCI bus feature, and not necessarily a reason why the card would fail to work |
| 12:56.17 | jelly | slidesinger: in general, if it appears in lspci, it means cardbus hotplug worked |
| 12:56.46 | jelly | slidesinger: can you paste its lspci -nn line? |
| 12:57.01 | slidesinger | Sure. |
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| 12:57.53 | slidesinger | 04:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8190 |
| 12:58.09 | slidesinger | Oops. sec |
| 12:58.22 | firebird_ | hi, I've updated (sid), and I no longer have libatk-1.0.so.0 ... |
| 12:58.34 | slidesinger | 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device [10ec:8190] |
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| 12:58.57 | jelly | ,pciid 10ec:8190 |
| 12:58.58 | judd | [10ec:8190] is 'Unknown device' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8190 |
| 12:59.24 | jordanm | nyholt: that's not the command I told you to run |
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| 12:59.42 | jordanm | nyholt: rm -rf -- /tmp/* |
| 13:00.23 | jelly | slidesinger: what judd says doesn't exactly inspire hope |
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| 13:01.04 | nyholt | jordanm: you rock - that did it. Thx man. |
| 13:01.44 | slidesinger | Hey. The card was a gift. I'd be willing to mail it to the dev folks so they could have it to play with, if they want it. |
| 13:02.17 | slidesinger | Then I'll just go buy an N card that already works. |
| 13:02.49 | jordanm | nyholt: np. consider using quotas on /tmp if that's a multi-user box |
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| 13:03.21 | nyholt | will do. |
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| 13:04.52 | jelly | slidesinger: or google for linux and that PCI ID and see whether the drivers have been updated perhaps in a newer kernel |
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| 13:05.14 | slidesinger | That's a good idea. Thanks. |
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| 13:05.38 | kkulhavy | Hi |
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| 13:05.53 | kkulhavy | I installed a program called "kdewebdev" but there is no kdewebdev command that I could run |
| 13:06.12 | kkulhavy | I tried to google "how to start kdewebdev" and didn't find any useful infromation |
| 13:06.30 | kkulhavy | I also looked through all the "Applications" menus |
| 13:06.34 | kkulhavy | How can I start kdewebdev? |
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| 13:06.41 | themill | it's a metapackage, there isn't anything called that |
| 13:06.58 | ekscrypto | ihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kdewebdev |
| 13:07.01 | kkulhavy | themill, so how do I start it? |
| 13:07.04 | chrisign | http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/kdewebdev/filelist |
| 13:07.09 | firebird_ | hum, need to add ln -s to link my apps with libatk-1.0.so |
| 13:07.16 | themill | kkulhavy: there is nothing to start... what are you *really* trying to do? |
| 13:07.20 | ekscrypto | KFileReplace, KIMageMapEditor, KLinkStatus, Kommander and KXSLDbg are part of it |
| 13:07.55 | kkulhavy | themill, I am trying to install some WYSIWYG HTML editor |
| 13:08.10 | themill | you won't find one resulting from that package |
| 13:08.15 | kkulhavy | OK |
| 13:08.24 | kkulhavy | themill, do you know some WYSIWYG HTML editor fomr Debian? |
| 13:08.47 | chrisign | kkulhavy: quanta is your friend |
| 13:08.58 | themill | kkulhavy: there are a few I guess... I just use vim, actually. |
| 13:09.07 | kkulhavy | chrisign, I tried it, but it doesn't seem to be wysiwyg |
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| 13:09.32 | chrisign | kkulhavy: ahh okay wysiwyg |
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| 13:09.57 | kkulhavy | I would like a person who doesn't know the HTML syntax to be able to edit a simple HTML page |
| 13:10.12 | kkulhavy | Something like OpenOffice |
| 13:10.18 | ompaul | kkulhavy: openoffice - horrible but possible |
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| 13:10.23 | abrotman | kkulhavy: did you look in iceape to see if the composer is still there? |
| 13:10.25 | ompaul | gah too slow |
| 13:10.25 | kkulhavy | You also don't have to know the internals of the .odt format to make a headline |
| 13:10.44 | kkulhavy | abrotman, iceape? I know iceweasel |
| 13:10.52 | ompaul | kkulhavy: you can edit html and so forth you really are in the land of compromise there |
| 13:11.05 | kkulhavy | ompaul, what u mean? |
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| 13:11.24 | kkulhavy | E: Package iceape has no installation candidate |
| 13:11.33 | abrotman | judd: versions iceape |
| 13:11.34 | judd | Package iceape on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.11-5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.0.11-6; squeeze-security: 2.0.11-6; sid: 2.0.14-4; wheezy: 2.0.14-4 |
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| 13:11.41 | abrotman | kkulhavy: which version of Debian are you on ? |
| 13:11.51 | kkulhavy | 5.0.8 |
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| 13:12.11 | abrotman | kkulhavy: did you just install that? |
| 13:12.21 | kkulhavy | abrotman, no |
| 13:12.34 | ompaul | kkulhavy: if you use OOo you can save as html, if you open a html doc in OOo you can edit it, however someone might want to understand something about html when they go to use it, that is what the compromise is, because if they don't, they might just break it completely |
| 13:12.43 | abrotman | !tell kkulhavy about lenny->squeeze |
| 13:12.49 | abrotman | %tell kkulhavy about lenny->squeeze |
| 13:12.53 | abrotman | grrrr |
| 13:13.12 | ompaul | can we get % aliased to ! please |
| 13:13.20 | kkulhavy | I have iceape-dev or iceape-dev-bin available |
| 13:13.23 | kkulhavy | which one should I install? |
| 13:13.50 | kkulhavy | aha iceape is seamonkey |
| 13:14.28 | abrotman | %tell kkulhavy about lenny->squeeze |
| 13:14.29 | kkulhavy | according to wikipedia, iceape is "Internet-related software suite" |
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| 13:14.52 | kkulhavy | "Internet-related collection of application programs" |
| 13:15.09 | kkulhavy | Hey, this definition fits on almost every software today |
| 13:15.16 | kkulhavy | Anyone knows what this iceape actually does? |
| 13:15.30 | Leoneof | hello? |
| 13:15.34 | Leoneof | anyone? |
| 13:15.44 | jelly | ,info iceape |
| 13:15.45 | judd | Package iceape (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: The Iceape Internet Suite. Version: 2.0.11-5; Size: 41.1k; Installed: 88k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/iceape |
| 13:15.53 | jelly | heh |
| 13:16.14 | Leoneof | i have 8 iso dvd for debian 6.0.1 and two iso for debian-update 6.0.2, is there a way to update these 8 isos in offline mode? |
| 13:16.46 | Leoneof | by using jigdo or something like that |
| 13:17.34 | kkulhavy | really useful |
| 13:17.51 | kkulhavy | so I guess the editing is done in Firefox? |
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| 13:19.17 | slidesinger | jelly: Looks like you were right. All the things I see have to do with using ndiswrapper for this card and no viable/mature linux driver being available. |
| 13:19.24 | valdyn | kkulhavy: "apt-cache show iceape" |
| 13:19.52 | jelly | slidesinger: probably too new |
| 13:20.28 | slidesinger | Never used ndiswrapper and windows drivers. Any opinions? |
| 13:20.58 | abrotman | valdyn: he's on lenny |
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| 13:22.52 | slidesinger | still has one computer running sarge |
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| 13:26.45 | orudie | how can I update from 6.0.1 to 6.0.2 ? |
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| 13:28.01 | MrFrood | if you have a network connection it should update when you install iirc |
| 13:28.01 | colo-work | orudie, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:28.01 | stew | orudie: do you have security.debian.org in your sources.list? |
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| 13:29.32 | orudie | stew, yup |
| 13:30.16 | stew | orudie: aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade ; (or apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade) |
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| 13:32.37 | Leoneof | no one :( |
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| 13:35.42 | chrisign | Leoneof: ehhmmm just use apt-cdrom add, I suppose this is something you allready know, but what do want to do? |
| 13:36.41 | Leoneof | chrisign: i want to update eight ISO in offline mode |
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| 13:37.57 | Parabola | Hey guys, i'm trying to download the amd64 net install CD and i keep getting the same shitty mirror :( |
| 13:38.05 | Parabola | 80k/sec and it keeps only giving me about 20 megs |
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| 13:38.20 | Parabola | i browsed the US primary mirror i cannot find ISOs |
| 13:38.23 | jordanm | Parabola: if you are in the u.s., use mirror.anl.gov |
| 13:38.35 | Parabola | :D thanks |
| 13:38.46 | Parabola | also you should tell this mirror its shitty and broken |
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| 13:39.07 | Parabola | caesar.acc.umu.se |
| 13:39.56 | stew | Parabola: which us mirror are you having trouble with? there are more than a dozen |
| 13:40.09 | Parabola | i just listed it |
| 13:40.16 | Parabola | and i cannot find the ISO's on this anl mirorr |
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| 13:40.42 | stew | you said "us primary mirror", i don't think we have something like a us primary mirror |
| 13:40.56 | Parabola | ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 13:40.59 | Parabola | yes you do |
| 13:41.02 | Parabola | goto the mirrors page |
| 13:41.06 | Parabola | theres primary mirrors, and theres a US one |
| 13:41.16 | Parabola | the URL never changed or i'd provide it |
| 13:41.20 | stew | Parabola: those aren't cdimage mirrors. you want: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 13:41.24 | Leoneof | :( |
| 13:41.28 | Parabola | i want the 180mb net install iso |
| 13:41.35 | Parabola | and the only mirror your site gives me is broken |
| 13:41.44 | stew | Parabola: how is it broken? |
| 13:41.47 | Parabola | read up |
| 13:41.50 | Parabola | im not repeating myself |
| 13:42.19 | stew | Parabola: those aren't cdimage mirrors |
| 13:42.33 | Parabola | you didnt read what i said did you |
| 13:42.54 | Parabola | i never claimed anything but the site your page routed me to was a cdimage mirror |
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| 13:43.06 | Parabola | and for the 4th time its broken |
| 13:43.10 | Parabola | so i cannot get the net install images |
| 13:43.19 | valdyn | Parabola: when i randomly select a mirror the first one works fine |
| 13:43.27 | valdyn | Parabola: im insanely lucky, right? |
| 13:43.36 | stew | Parabola: if you want a cd image, please use a mirror from the cdimage list |
| 13:43.40 | Parabola | jesus christ |
| 13:43.40 | stew | cdimage mirror list that is |
| 13:43.43 | Parabola | For network install (180 MB) and business card-size (40 MB) images, see the network install page |
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| 13:43.49 | Parabola | thats what your cd image link tells me to do |
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| 13:43.52 | Parabola | and like i already said |
| 13:43.53 | themill | Parabola: so was it ftp.us or was it cdimage? You may think you've told us 4 times, but none of us understand exactly what you've done |
| 13:43.58 | Parabola | the ONLY mirror it routes me to |
| 13:44.00 | Parabola | is fucking broken |
| 13:44.09 | Parabola | thats why i asked for someone to provide me with one that works |
| 13:44.13 | themill | Parabola: please provide us with the *exact* url you are trying to download |
| 13:44.15 | Parabola | if thats confusing to you, nevermind |
| 13:44.20 | Parabola | themill: i already did |
| 13:44.32 | valdyn | Parabola: the mirror works fine, I tried |
| 13:44.34 | themill | Parabola: you did not. Have fun. |
| 13:44.42 | abrotman | Parabola: you gave us a hostname, not a URL |
| 13:44.43 | stew | Parabola: what EXACTLY is broken about it? is there a url that is 404? if so, what url? |
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| 13:44.59 | Parabola | its insanely slow, then it stops a little under 20MB of data |
| 13:45.03 | Parabola | i've tried half a dozen times now |
| 13:45.16 | stew | Parabola: if you just want to find a mirror that hosts cd images, here AGAIN is a page with instructions on downloading cdimages, along with the official list of mirrors of the cd images: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
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| 13:45.29 | stew | Parabola: what is the url that is giving you problems? |
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| 13:46.06 | Parabola | ah i see, it was my fault for following the instructions on that URL |
| 13:46.15 | Parabola | it says for net install, goto the net install page, which i did |
| 13:46.27 | Parabola | however, scroll down, list of mirrors :) |
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| 13:46.31 | stew | Parabola: what do you eman by "that URL"? |
| 13:46.33 | stew | mean* |
| 13:46.42 | Parabola | ... are you serious |
| 13:46.42 | themill | Parabola: please stop ranting and tell us the exact url. We're not mind readers. |
| 13:46.46 | stew | Parabola: yes |
| 13:46.48 | Parabola | the one you pasted 3 fucking seconds ago |
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| 13:47.04 | abrotman | angry person .. jeez |
| 13:47.07 | wols_ | Parabola: are you? you have been asked TONS of times for the exact url and you still haven't given it instead you whined on and on |
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| 13:47.22 | Leoneof | ignore him! |
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| 13:47.25 | Parabola | wols_: you want the path on the broken mirror, for the ISO |
| 13:47.28 | abrotman | some people can't get over themselves long enough to get help ... |
| 13:47.31 | Parabola | i gave you the host |
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| 13:47.43 | Parabola | what difference does it make what directory they keep the net inst ISO in? |
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| 13:47.46 | abrotman | Parabola: that is a round robin .. what IP did it resolve to? what was the exact FULL URL ? |
| 13:47.51 | wols_ | Parabola: you pasted no URL at all. a URL is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso a hostname is NOT a RUL |
| 13:47.59 | abrotman | URL either! |
| 13:48.00 | themill | Parabola: please take a break from #debian and use that time to collect the information we have asked for |
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| 13:48.36 | valdyn | Parabola: i think the error is on your end, since caesar.acc.umu.se works fine at 1MB/sec here |
| 13:49.06 | valdyn | ( unless that's "insanely slow", i cant test faster ) |
| 13:49.12 | stew | it seemed like he was talking about http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable, except I don't see any links to ftp.us.debian.org on that page... |
| 13:49.17 | wols_ | Parabola: I DID scroll up. but don't spout angriness in PMs but do what themill asked you to do. have a nice day |
| 13:50.45 | stew | that page has links to mirror pages, but the mirror pages don't list ftp.us.d.o as a mirror |
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| 13:51.35 | valdyn | seriously, people come here alot claiming mirrors are slow, which i am never able to reproduce, I guess isps have to be really bad |
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| 13:52.10 | wols_ | nah, mirrors sometimes do suck too. happens on both ends |
| 13:52.52 | valdyn | maybe if you want an order of magnitude faster than 1MB throughput |
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| 13:55.23 | ChibaPet | Hey all. I seem to not be getting answers in other forums, and this is something Debian packages, so... Can anyone tell me if it's possible to get the Dovecot IMAP server to move expunged/deleted mail to a trash folder, perhaps using the lazy_expunge plug-in or similar? What I've seen of lazy_expunge is that it moves mail to a different namespace, but I'd like a simple mailbox move. (Maildir folder, but whatever.) |
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| 13:56.22 | valdyn | ChibaPet: google hit: http://wiki.dovecot.org/Plugins/deleted-to-trash |
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| 13:57.04 | Flashtek | hmm.. |
| 13:57.06 | Flashtek | no dpkg |
| 13:57.09 | ChibaPet | Ah, interesting. Thank you. I've done a bunch of Googling and that never turned up. |
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| 13:58.14 | wols_ | Flashtek: dselect is its temp replacement |
| 13:58.20 | Flashtek | ok :) |
| 13:58.21 | Flashtek | thanks |
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| 14:00.01 | themill | Parabola: since there seems to be some confusion as to what we're asking for, a URL in this context starts with "http://" and will end in ".iso". There would be bonus points for also providing the exact url of the page that linked to it. Between geo-dns and dns-round-robin, it can take some effort to work out what's wrong (mirror, your connection, your isp etc) and we can't do that without your cooperation. Please assume that people are wanting more |
| 14:00.02 | themill | information or that you have not expressed yourself clearly enough rather than assuming that people have not read your earlier lines. |
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| 14:05.38 | Flashtek | who borked the bot anyway ? |
| 14:08.23 | jm|laptop | our best interrogator |
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| 14:14.00 | zowtar | guys, what cannot delete in my ~/ folder? I mean, I have a lot of hidden folders there from things like opera that I even use anymore, what I really need to keep? I will delete everything else... |
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| 14:14.52 | Bushmills | zowtar: essentially, you only need - if at all - the files which are also in /etc/skel |
| 14:15.28 | zowtar | Bushmills it's bad, because I can't say that is there, I don't have access |
| 14:15.28 | Bushmills | though that may depend on your definition of "really need to keep" |
| 14:16.28 | casts | zowtar: porn? how are we to know. you can delete it all and debian won't care. |
| 14:17.15 | zowtar | casts really? it will keep doing my login? |
| 14:17.20 | Bushmills | zowtar: apt-file find /etc/skel |
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| 14:18.02 | jordanm | you don't even need a home directory to just login. many apps may break though |
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| 14:18.32 | apollo13 | hi, anyone problems on debian testing with the iwlagn driver? I get Microcode SW reset all the time :/ |
| 14:18.42 | thewanderer1 | hi. any idea how to set up Apache2 or any other HTTP server so that it executes with the UID/GID of the target file's owner? I know of apache2-mpm-itk, but I don't want to generate tens of config files for each virtual host separately. |
| 14:19.05 | apollo13 | thewanderer1: depends on what you want to use, eg look at suexec etc |
| 14:19.12 | stew | thewanderer1: for serving static files? or dynamic content? |
| 14:19.19 | apollo13 | if you use python apps, mod_wsgi can do that for you too… |
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| 14:19.43 | jordanm | thewanderer1: use suphp and fastcgi |
| 14:19.43 | thewanderer1 | apollo13, stew: both static files and PHP |
| 14:19.54 | jordanm | thewanderer1: then just suphp |
| 14:20.01 | zowtar | this is what I have right now: http://i51.tinypic.com/nydxmc.png |
| 14:20.02 | thewanderer1 | I can't - the server must work under the target user's UID for static files too |
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| 14:20.33 | thewanderer1 | so... ideally I'd like the equivalent of suPHP but for all files, not just PHP |
| 14:20.40 | jordanm | thewanderer1: static files are not executed |
| 14:20.51 | apollo13 | thewanderer1: no idea about static files, the hosters I know actually run a separate server for every user :) |
| 14:21.09 | thewanderer1 | yes, but I'm billing users for their CPU usage and their vhosts need to assume their UID |
| 14:21.30 | thewanderer1 | also, giving them their own daemon each would produce a new set of issues :/ |
| 14:21.35 | apollo13 | would it? |
| 14:21.45 | apollo13 | it's the easiest way to separate |
| 14:21.52 | jordanm | thewanderer1: apache can serve static files with *extremely* small ammount of CPU |
| 14:22.06 | apollo13 | especially since apache will throw errors if you restart it (eg if you add the config for a new user) |
| 14:22.06 | jordanm | thewanderer1: its not even worth taking into account |
| 14:22.23 | thewanderer1 | oh well... |
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| 14:22.40 | thewanderer1 | right, I can configure Apache to pull vhosts from LDAP or MySQL but I'd still have to restart it :/ |
| 14:22.50 | apollo13 | tada…… |
| 14:23.08 | thewanderer1 | the thing is, if I give every user their own httpd, the daemons will be taking up memory |
| 14:23.24 | apollo13 | why? |
| 14:23.35 | thewanderer1 | because they'll be running all the time |
| 14:23.44 | apollo13 | so? |
| 14:23.50 | thewanderer1 | so it doesn't scale |
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| 14:24.16 | apollo13 | a stripped down apache doesn't take much… plus there might be stuff shared too… |
| 14:24.18 | thewanderer1 | my usage scenario is: lots of users, very low average load |
| 14:24.26 | jordanm | also, each user would need its own IP address, not really practicle if you want a couple hundred domains on one box |
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| 14:24.34 | mxp | hi |
| 14:24.50 | mxp | what does that mean when i give in the command startx then comes the error "No protocol speciied"? |
| 14:24.57 | mxp | cannot even start x anymore just as root |
| 14:24.57 | jordanm | thewanderer1: you and ever web hosting provider out there |
| 14:24.58 | apollo13 | jordanm: well you obviously need a dispatcher in front of it, or ipv6:þ |
| 14:25.00 | mxp | as root i can start it |
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| 14:25.47 | thewanderer1 | I've got IPv6 working, but that doesn't matter as long as the world is mostly IPv4. also, a reverse proxy is not a problem, but still, memory matters... |
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| 14:26.15 | apollo13 | did you actually test if it's a problem? |
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| 14:27.20 | thewanderer1 | the memory? uh, the users should pay for each MB, so shoving a webserver down there is not necessarily good for them either |
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| 14:28.38 | apollo13 | lol |
| 14:28.55 | thewanderer1 | no, really, going for a per-MB accounting here |
| 14:29.18 | apollo13 | right, but that still doesn't mean it's bad if you offer a low memory solution… |
| 14:29.56 | apollo13 | anyways, back to my problem (eg reading kern.log :() |
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| 14:31.30 | thewanderer1 | oh well. I'd have to run php5-cgi for each user too... :/ |
| 14:31.37 | apollo13 | haha |
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| 14:40.36 | kefalo | i am having difficulities playing youtube videos with gnash. i use ff 5.0 don't have adobe non-free flash installed on debian squeeze. |
| 14:40.51 | kefalo | difficulties* |
| 14:41.08 | norbert_ | YouTube has an HTML5 mode, I think |
| 14:41.21 | thewanderer1 | yeah, youtube.com/html5 |
| 14:41.38 | ujjain | does anybody here know if bitconsnole still has a console version? |
| 14:41.53 | norbert_ | Hi all, I have a question. I'm using a 22" Philips LCD 16:9 monitor (220VW8FB) with an NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GT/GTO card, and I've added a second monitor, a 17" Dell CRT 4:3 monitor (E771P), to the second port (using a DVI to VGA cable). I see GNU/Linux boot on both screens, but when Debian stable (Squeeze) starts gdm, the 22" screen goes into sleep mode. Some packages that are already installed bec |
| 14:41.53 | norbert_ | ause I've been using them for my 22" screen are: nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-glx, and nvidia-xconfig. I'm guessing that maybe I need another Monitor section in xorg.conf. What would you advice me to |
| 14:41.53 | norbert_ | do, to get the second monitor to work? Should I dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or maybe run nvidia-xconfig? |
| 14:42.00 | kefalo | norbert_, yes. i am already using html5 beta but not all of videos are playable with html5 |
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| 14:42.44 | skilz | hey how can I disable my pc speaker is so f*cking annoying! |
| 14:42.49 | stew | kefalo: you can use youtube-dl to download things for offline viewing |
| 14:42.51 | jordanm | norbert_: install nvidia-settings and just use the gui |
| 14:42.52 | stew | skilz: /msg dselect bell |
| 14:43.19 | kefalo | norbert_, there is no need to configure it in xorg.conf you can do it through gui if u install grandr | arandr or similar package |
| 14:43.44 | norbert_ | thanks folks, I'll try these packages |
| 14:43.57 | kefalo | stew i have even better solution. Minitube(google it) is must have app. :) |
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| 14:44.55 | kefalo | but i would love to have it working in browser too. need it working on other players, sites than youtube. as i said i use minitube for youtube videos |
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| 14:45.07 | skilz | stew: with that setterm -blength 0 is that perminant or do I have to do that everything I reboot? |
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| 14:45.30 | skilz | everything/everytime |
| 14:45.52 | ayambit | How debian (or any other distribution) is protected from malicious packages? |
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| 14:46.18 | skilz | ayambit: MD5 Checksum |
| 14:46.26 | abrotman | %apt secure |
| 14:46.26 | dselect | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 14:46.33 | norbert_ | ayambit: one of the things would be http://www.debian.org/security/audit/ |
| 14:46.34 | abrotman | kind of ... |
| 14:46.37 | ayambit | Say, I killed a maintainer and got access to his keys. |
| 14:46.58 | ayambit | No, I sign malicious package with this keys. |
| 14:47.00 | zykotick9 | norbert_, if you are using proprietary nvidia driver - to enable the second monitor use nvidia-settings |
| 14:47.04 | ayambit | *now |
| 14:47.06 | stew | skilz: none of this is permanant |
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| 14:47.30 | norbert_ | zykotick9: yeah, thanks; it's what jordanm suggested too; trying it right now |
| 14:47.45 | ayambit | The program is big, and people are lazy, so it's possible that nobody would notice. |
| 14:47.50 | kefalo | anyone here using gnash to play youtube? need some tips how to make it work with youtube on debian squeeze. |
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| 14:48.02 | skilz | how do I remove my afterstep remember session settings? |
| 14:48.05 | abrotman | kefalo: it should just work |
| 14:48.10 | abrotman | kefalo: how did you install it ? |
| 14:48.21 | skilz | so when I load afterstep 100 things dont load at once |
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| 14:48.41 | skilz | it makes my videocard GPU hang |
| 14:48.56 | thewanderer1 | skilz: to get rid of the beeps permanently, blacklist module pcspkr |
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| 14:49.32 | ayambit | So, again, I kill a developer and steal his private key and sign the package and stuff (if developers sign their packages), this package can make into debian distro, right? |
| 14:49.38 | skilz | thewanderer1: how? |
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| 14:49.53 | norbert_ | another good way to disable the pc speaker is to open the case of your box and take out the plug next to which it says "pc speaker" or something similar :) |
| 14:50.03 | kefalo | abrotman, it is installed per default. Some things work. I can see flash on sites and controls on youtube flash but i get error msg "An error occurred, please try again later." |
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| 14:50.08 | themill | ayambit: it's not as if others don't also look at packages as they are uploaded. |
| 14:50.11 | norbert_ | ayambit: see the link I gave you |
| 14:50.22 | stew | ayambit: when a developer dies, we remove his/her keys from the keyring |
| 14:50.23 | nkuttler | ayambit: and there's probably a passphrase |
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| 14:50.31 | thewanderer1 | %tell skilz about blacklist |
| 14:50.41 | skilz | norbert_: the pc speaker can be useful for somethings so I don't want to full disable it |
| 14:50.50 | hochron | is this correct? -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 144740 Mar 13 15:54 sudo |
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| 14:51.29 | stew | ayambit: but yes, if you are get control of a key in the keyring, you can get packages into unstable |
| 14:51.44 | norbert_ | hochron: -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 144740 Mar 13 21:54 sudo |
| 14:51.49 | norbert_ | (is mine) |
| 14:52.03 | hochron | running rkhunter it said a warning for that file |
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| 14:52.33 | hochron | I am paranoid |
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| 14:53.01 | Bushmills | that's why you trust the advice of people in IRC :) |
| 14:53.07 | stew | hochron: obviously sudo would not be functional without being setuid root |
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| 14:53.22 | jhutchins_lt | kefalo: Unfortunately, gnash doesn't work with all (possibly most) flash content. |
| 14:53.31 | ayambit | stew: so somehow I (or some malicious dev) can make a package which will wreak havoc (or steal a lot) on many-many servers& |
| 14:53.33 | ayambit | ? |
| 14:53.40 | thewanderer1 | hochron: actually, you can hack around it - remove setuid root and give it file-based POSIX capabilities :P |
| 14:53.42 | stew | ayambit: yes |
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| 14:54.06 | stew | ayambit: which is why the barrier to getting a key in the keyring is quite high |
| 14:54.12 | stew | often taking years |
| 14:54.18 | kefalo | jhutchins_lt, on debian wiki it says it is working with youtube. On gnash wiki too. So i must have done something wrong or i need to install something more. |
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| 14:54.51 | jhutchins_lt | kefalo: Ask the people who said it was working. |
| 14:55.21 | ayambit | stew: still, there is little protection if some individual loses a key or decides to do something nasty? How big is this problem? |
| 14:55.30 | thewanderer1 | kefalo: FYI, YouTube has changed some of their internals this week - the whole #ubuntu is complaining "omagad youtube is broken", even with Adobe's proprietary Flash (they have an old version in Ubuntu) |
| 14:55.40 | stew | ayambit: what do you mean "loses a key"? |
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| 14:56.02 | norbert_ | ok, going to restart X (*hoping this will work*) |
| 14:56.05 | Bushmills | depends on level of nastiness |
| 14:56.06 | stew | ayambit: if a develop knows his private key has the possibility of being compromised, they revoke the key |
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| 14:56.23 | skilz | how can I update to the latest version of afterstep? |
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| 14:56.39 | ben_ir | hi there |
| 14:56.53 | stew | ayambit: i don't know of any case where we have had a developer deicde to do something nasty |
| 14:57.02 | skilz | and will I loose everything in /usr/share/afterstep like wharf config file ect if I update ? |
| 14:57.03 | Bushmills | "latest available anywhere" or "latest available in your debian branch" ? |
| 14:57.06 | ben_ir | i'm having trouble trying to install a perl based web server (musicbrainz local mirror) |
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| 14:57.17 | thewanderer1 | skilz: is the latest version available in Sid? yes -> /msg dselect ssb; no -> /msg dselect uupdate |
| 14:57.18 | MrFrood | %tell skilz about ssb |
| 14:57.34 | ayambit | stew: but if a developer decides to become a bad guy, or doesn't notice missing key? People tend to do stupid things after all. |
| 14:57.45 | thewanderer1 | skilz: also, you are not supposed to change configs in /usr - everything there will be lost |
| 14:57.47 | ben_ir | the documentation says to do 'perl ./Makefile.PL' and then 'make installdeps' which fails |
| 14:57.50 | ayambit | s/missing key/stolen key |
| 14:57.54 | stew | ayambit: then yes, bad packages can end up in the archive |
| 14:58.02 | kefalo | thewanderer1, thanks for that info! That must be it. Cuz i double checked installation and everything. :) |
| 14:58.03 | ayambit | stew: did this happen? |
| 14:58.04 | karlpinc_ | ayambit: The question is not "how big is the problem", the question is "is the problem bigger or smaller than any alternative". There's always going to be bad people, so what mitigates the risk? |
| 14:58.18 | ben_ir | i have forced installs of different perl packages from cpan, but now my perl install is all broken |
| 14:58.28 | ben_ir | is it possible to remove those and start over? |
| 14:58.28 | skilz | how do I check what version of afterstep i have |
| 14:58.29 | stew | ayambit: this has not yet happeneed afaik |
| 14:59.04 | stew | ayambit: this can also happen if the right machines or ssh keys are compromised. I don't know of any time this has resulted in malicious packages being uploaded |
| 14:59.06 | thewanderer1 | kefalo: you might want to try swfdec instead of gnash, works for me on some sites where gnash does not, but is still far behind flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 14:59.37 | RT_FM | is there a imap server that allowes to define 'protected' folders, that users can't delete or rename ? |
| 14:59.44 | karlpinc_ | ayambit: Look at the proprietary world. Sony deliberately distributes rootkits. Corporate groups don't take any responsiblity, etc. |
| 14:59.50 | hochron | so should I be worried that rkhunter flagged sudo 'warning'? |
| 14:59.54 | MrFrood | stew: check the man page |
| 15:00.03 | stew | ayambit: its unfortunate that we do not have volunteers to audit all the diffs. we barely have enough volunteers to audit all the brand new software that goes into debian |
| 15:00.05 | MrFrood | er skilz |
| 15:00.15 | kefalo | thewanderer1, thx! Will try it for sure. I don't care how well is supported as long as its FREE! Will ask on #gnash for heads up on youtube thing. |
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| 15:00.29 | thewanderer1 | hochron: no. rkhunter is known for frequent false-positives... for example, Xzibit Rootkit is not really Xzibit rootkit on Debian :P |
| 15:00.32 | tharkun | dpkg is AWOLL, what is the other bots name? |
| 15:00.40 | stew | ayambit: and in the only way we are keeping up there is to, for the most part, limit our audits to determining the distributability of software, not doing involved analysis looking for security bugs |
| 15:00.42 | themill | %pal tharkun |
| 15:00.42 | dselect | points at tharkun and laughs uproariously |
| 15:00.50 | hochron | ok ty thewanderer1 |
| 15:00.55 | tharkun | themill: thx. |
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| 15:02.23 | ayambit | karlpinc_: I don't say that any proprietary software is better, I'm just trying to understand how packages which I install are checked to know that they are not modified with malicious intentions. |
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| 15:02.59 | stew | ayambit: unlike unstable, any software which is uploaded to stable after a release DOES get a full line by line audit of the diff |
| 15:03.12 | karlpinc_ | ayambit: Well, the more widely used the more likely somebody's paying attention. |
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| 15:03.51 | ayambit | stew: so, there are several different people which do the audit? I tried to find detailed info but I guess I couldn't. |
| 15:04.01 | karlpinc_ | ayambit: The good news is we'd know who did it. |
| 15:04.02 | stew | we do often find security bugs, where the developer made mistakes, thus allowing a vulnerability, I don't know of any cases where we've found code intentionally malicious |
| 15:04.06 | skilz | how do I rename a file? |
| 15:04.13 | skilz | folder sorry |
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| 15:04.34 | MrFrood | skilz: man mv |
| 15:04.39 | stew | ayambit: for updates to stable, yes, one of the stable release team must audit it. after a freeze, for new software to get into testing, it must be audited by the release team |
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| 15:05.25 | stew | ayambit: when new packages are upploaded to debian (packages which were not in debian already), someone from the ftp team audits the source code, but in that case, that audit is mostly for legality / distributability / policy compliance, not for buggyness |
| 15:05.30 | skilz | MrFrood: thats to move a file/folder not rename |
| 15:05.32 | kefalo | resolved issue with gnash and youtube by disabling cookies in ff 5.0. thx for help |
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| 15:06.10 | MrFrood | skilz: also works to rename |
| 15:06.44 | thewanderer1 | kefalo: wow... so someone really did break YouTube :P |
| 15:06.46 | ayambit | stew: And if one of review team wants to do something malicious? Or review is done by several people? |
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| 15:06.54 | skilz | MrFrood: so mv oldname newname ? |
| 15:06.56 | MrFrood | skilz: if the path to the oldd & new foldder names is the same then you have renamed |
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| 15:07.12 | lwithers | is there a version of the dialog program that has an X11 interface? I see "xdialog" but it seems this was only present in earlier releases of Debian, and I'm running squeeze |
| 15:07.29 | Justin | !+folder |
| 15:07.29 | colo-work | try zenity |
| 15:07.38 | Justin | dselect: you're no help |
| 15:07.38 | dselect | no idea, Justin |
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| 15:08.13 | kefalo | thewanderer1, what do you mean? how? enlighten me :) |
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| 15:08.15 | MrFrood | skilz: yeah old-dir new-dir |
| 15:08.24 | stew | ayambit: someone on the release team or the ftp team or the admin team would have little trouble getting malicious code into the archive. we put lots of trust into those teams. but realize how much someone must do just to become a debian developer, then they must be volunteering for these teams for a while to get onto the team... |
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| 15:08.43 | stew | ayambit: its tough to imagine someone doing all that just to get malicous content into debian |
| 15:09.12 | casts | then there's the getting soon found out bit... |
| 15:09.14 | thewanderer1 | kefalo: I'd think cookies couldn't break Flash... but they're still useful for enabling HTML5 |
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| 15:10.07 | lwithers | colo-work, thanks |
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| 15:10.29 | casts | i wonder if there would be jail time. say, if debian happened to be used for a few goverment hosts, perhaps police orientated servers, and you just backdoored them along with a few other million boxes. mmm, i would not like to be in that situation |
| 15:10.31 | zykotick9 | thewanderer1, a google employee answered that you just needed to clear your cookies in order to resolve the YouTube issue (according to someone on the debian users ML anyways) |
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| 15:11.18 | skilz | how can I display linuxlogo in console when my system boots at the login screen? |
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| 15:11.53 | thewanderer1 | zykotick9: thanks, that explains it |
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| 15:12.42 | MrFrood | skilz: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linuxlogo |
| 15:12.51 | ayambit | stew: so, basically one which uses debian puts his trust to single (trusted) individual from release team. I'm not sure is this bad or not... |
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| 15:13.35 | homie | bad per se, but not absolutely |
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| 15:13.48 | stew | ayambit: none of these are a single person. there are 7 of us on the ftp team, 3 on the admin team, a dozen on the release team |
| 15:14.17 | homie | 22 people only ? |
| 15:14.29 | stew | ayambit: and now that I think about it, we never process our own packages. if I upload something, i'm not the one that decides if it passes an audit, someone else does it |
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| 15:14.42 | ayambit | stew: but you told that "someone on the release team or the ftp team or the admin team would have little trouble getting malicious code into the archive" which implies that single person from this team can do this? |
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| 15:14.59 | skilz | doesnt tell me how to do it |
| 15:15.00 | twobitsprite | ohh, are we having the "open source is insecure because anyone can edit it" argument? |
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| 15:15.47 | ayambit | No, we are having 'I'm trying to understand how debian is secured from malicious guys' kind of talk... |
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| 15:16.07 | thewanderer1 | skilz: the packages usually have manual pages or documentation in /usr/share/doc |
| 15:16.14 | jhutchins_lt | We are having the "freak out over false rootkithunter positives" discussion. |
| 15:16.16 | stew | ayambit: that is certainly true for the ftp team and the admin team (obviously, since admin team are the ones that are basically root@debian) |
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| 15:16.28 | twobitsprite | ayambit: you have the same problem with closed source software. Someone from Sun could easily inject a back door in to Solaris. The difference is that with open source you can review the code yourself, and the process for how code is accepted is publicly documented |
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| 15:17.58 | stew | ayambit: though also realize that if i were to go replacing a pacakge, I'm going to have to provide a changelog, people subscribed to the pacakge and the maintainer of the package are all going to get notified that I made changes to their package |
| 15:18.04 | ayambit | twobitsprite: I'm not, um, saying that debian security is bad. I'm trying to understand the system because I happen to be linux admin who (now) uses Debian on his servers. |
| 15:18.12 | Iridos | hm, but is it? I thought the maintainers pgp-sign their packages? |
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| 15:18.19 | koshieFinalReliz | Hi |
| 15:18.41 | koshieFinalReliz | When I'm using the purge option of apt-get, every configuration folder and file are erased, right ? |
| 15:18.47 | Iridos | ah, ok... you can of course do a change that way... I thought more of trying to sneak in a change without altering changelog |
| 15:18.52 | Iridos | which would be hard |
| 15:18.56 | stew | Iridos: they do, only signed packages can be uploaded, he's worried about after they are uploaded to debian |
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| 15:19.29 | stew | Iridos: and he's worried about the handful of people at debian that actually control the debian servers as well, who can get an unsigned package into the archive |
| 15:19.51 | thewanderer1 | koshieFinalReliz: not necessarily. purge only means "delete config files which were shipped with the package". but if you, say, make your own config file in /etc/$packagename.d/my.config, it will stay there, and $packagename.d will not be removed as it's not empty |
| 15:19.53 | twobitsprite | ayambit: right on... sorry for jumping the gun :) |
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| 15:20.31 | Iridos | stew, but you'd get a warning on those because they're not signed |
| 15:20.36 | koshieFinalReliz | thewanderer1, in my example, I'm doing apt-get purge mysql-server and I've always a lot of mysql file, after an updatedb and a locate mysql. |
| 15:20.37 | tharkun | ayambit: it all ends up on this. How much work can you perform on a day? Enough to maintain the full set of programs you use or you have to delegate some work to other people. ... |
| 15:21.10 | stew | Iridos: no, the developer signatures of these packages don't end up in the repositories. the signature gets it into the queues on the ftp-master server, then the ftp-master server puts together the repository and signs the repository |
| 15:21.29 | Iridos | oh |
| 15:21.31 | thewanderer1 | koshieFinalReliz: files which were generated when the program was running, not shipped with the package, are not affected by purge. so I guess database files in /var/lib/mysql will stay, for example |
| 15:21.39 | stew | Iridos: the individual packages in the repositories are not signed. the files containing all the digests of those packages are signed |
| 15:22.18 | koshieFinalReliz | thewanderer1, Ok, thank :) |
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| 15:22.31 | ayambit | so, there is no multiple layer protection by signing the package by dev, maintainer and and ftp-master server? Wouldn't it be more secure? |
| 15:23.21 | thewanderer1 | ayambit: then debian-archive-keyring would be really huge... imagine downloading a 20GB keyring to check signatures! |
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| 15:23.40 | twobitsprite | thewanderer1: are there really that many uploaders? |
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| 15:24.01 | stew | judd; info debian-keyring |
| 15:24.02 | judd | Package debian-keyring (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: GnuPG keys of Debian Developers. Version: 2010.12.29; Size: 30343.7k; Installed: 34988k; Homepage: http://keyring.debian.org/ |
| 15:24.09 | ayambit | thewanderer1: heh, I understand... But, I personally would've downloaded 20GB just to be safe... |
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| 15:24.23 | stew | its 30mb |
| 15:24.27 | tharkun | ayambit: so it ends up on who you trust |
| 15:25.16 | stew | ayambit: if you can't trust the ftp-master machine, you sholdn't be using debian |
| 15:25.46 | stew | ayambit: and note that the developer is only signing the source and a single binary, he doesn't build all the binaries. so typically, the thing you are downloading wasn't created by the developer, but by the autobuild network |
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| 15:26.14 | twobitsprite | ayambit: that would only be more secure if you were downloading public keys of the devs from somewhere other than debian... |
| 15:26.38 | stew | twobitsprite: it shouldn't matter where you download a keyring from, you should be able to check the trust path to the keys |
| 15:26.52 | MrFrood | skilz: read the documentation - i've never used it myself, I just know it can be done |
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| 15:27.17 | Iridos | stew, hm, I'll have to look at that one day... not sure I understand it in that form |
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| 15:27.23 | twobitsprite | stew: but if the bad guy has root access to the ftp-master he could inject a false public key... unless we're talking about keys signed by a third party |
| 15:27.46 | twobitsprite | but then you have to trust the 3rd party... it's trust all the way down :) |
| 15:28.20 | stew | twobitsprite: and I would no longer be able to verify a trust path to the false key. right now, i have trust paths to all the keys in the debian keyring |
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| 15:28.42 | stew | Iridos: what do you mean? about how the repositories are singed? |
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| 15:28.57 | twobitsprite | stew: but the debian keyring you got from the same place, right? |
| 15:29.09 | stew | twobitsprite: no matter where |
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| 15:30.11 | twobitsprite | stew: I'm confused... so, if you get a package signed by some key, you check it against the public key you get from the keyring, which you downloaded from debian, and the key rings is also signed by debian |
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| 15:30.38 | twobitsprite | but then, I guess if you changed the debian repo master key, then all the other packages would have to be resigned... hmm |
| 15:30.42 | ayambit | So, for now no intentionally malicious packages were distributed by Debian, and because of this I can assume than Debian security model is good, despite that it eventually boils down to trusting some individuals in the admin team. And if I'm working with really critical information like credit cards (which I'm not) I should have my own security review team and build packages from scratch. |
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| 15:31.21 | tharkun | Gentlemen has anyone tried to ssb cups from squeeze to squeeze? I am doing something wrong and cups cannot be packaged? |
| 15:31.25 | ayambit | I meant, if I'm a bank or something. |
| 15:31.28 | twobitsprite | ayambit: that's absurd. No matter where you got your OS, you're trusting some guy running the distribution server |
| 15:31.42 | stew | twobitsprite: for any key that is in the debian keyring, I can verify a trust path to it, becuase my key, along with all keys in the debian keyring, are in the strong set |
| 15:32.07 | ayambit | twobitsprite: distribution server or a mirror? |
| 15:32.13 | stew | I can tell you for sure, from installing servers run by banks, that they are not doing this kind of audit, as it is completely not feasible |
| 15:32.37 | twobitsprite | ayambit: i.e., you guy a license for solaris and download the iso images from Oracle's server... some guy is running that server and has root access |
| 15:32.56 | apollo13 | options iwlagn swcrypto=1 saved the day once again |
| 15:32.57 | twobitsprite | s/guy a license/buy a license |
| 15:33.43 | ayambit | twobitsprite: I case of a bank I would hope that it's not a single guy but a security team, preferably big. And in ideal world image would be signed by all of them. |
| 15:35.02 | twobitsprite | ayambit: ultimately it's a matter of trust. Even with a "big" security team constantly auditing the server, that doesn't mean that they'll catch every little thing every dev deposits there. |
| 15:35.29 | twobitsprite | and when you're talking about open source, you do have a *huge* audit team, since anyone can look at the actual source the packages are built from and a lot fo people do |
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| 15:36.16 | ayambit | twobitsprite: but I don't think that many people really audit all binary packages, it sound absurd. |
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| 15:36.24 | ayambit | Source code, yes, but not binary packages. |
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| 15:37.12 | twobitsprite | when you download a binary package, it is a package automaticaly built by the build servers from the source package with no manual intervention |
| 15:37.27 | jelly | ,versions clamav-daemon |
| 15:37.28 | judd | Package clamav-daemon on i386 -- lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-volatile: 0.97+dfsg-2~lenny1; squeeze: 0.97+dfsg-2~squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.97.1+dfsg-1~squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 0.97.1+dfsg-1~squeeze1; sid: 0.97.1+dfsg-1; wheezy: 0.97.1+dfsg-1 |
| 15:37.43 | ayambit | twobitsprite: so, I need to decide if I trust guy who run the build-server. |
| 15:37.52 | ayambit | s/guy/guys |
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| 15:38.35 | stew | the build servers are run but the same team that runs all the other machines in debian |
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| 15:40.34 | ayambit | stew: so, if I use debian I should trust them. But if one of them (theoretically) becomes bad, will others notice? |
| 15:40.42 | ayambit | (in reasonable time) |
| 15:41.10 | valdyn | ayambit: how would we know that? |
| 15:41.12 | stew | myabe |
| 15:41.40 | karlpinc_ | ayambit: Will _anyone_ notice? There's an awful lot of firewall admins out there watching traffic. The question is how long it will take. |
| 15:42.03 | jelly | %volatile |
| 15:42.03 | dselect | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze volatile>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
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| 15:44.36 | ayambit | So I can assume that because of how this system is made and because of that nothing bad happened (and I hope won't happen), that Debian system is reliable. |
| 15:44.57 | stew | at least gaim some comfort from our transparance. try to, for some other distro, get a list of all their machines and who has root on each |
| 15:45.29 | ayambit | stew: um, where do I get it? |
| 15:45.41 | tharkun | [drm:i915_do_wait_request] *ERROR* i915_do_wait_request returns -5 (awaiting 1924 at 1923) |
| 15:45.54 | tharkun | On squeeze any ideas? |
| 15:46.20 | stew | ayambit: dsa team (the debian system administrators) allows you to see the list of servers or look at their nagios which is monitoring them all: |
| 15:46.23 | stew | http://dsa.debian.org/ |
| 15:46.44 | stew | ayambit: the organization structure (which includes the admin team) is here: http://www.debian.org/intro/organization |
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| 15:47.52 | karlpinc_ | ayambit: You can also look at how the chain of trust is established so Debian knows who is really who. (But I don't have an url for you.) |
| 15:47.58 | sylarr | I have a flashdrive that get turned off when I fsck it |
| 15:48.19 | sylarr | log say something about key sense not sensing it |
| 15:48.31 | ayambit | stew: thanks for info, and for the great distro btw :0 |
| 15:49.15 | ayambit | karlpinc_: I'll look into it, thanks. |
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| 15:50.37 | stew | karlpinc_: perhaps http://people.debian.org/~weasel/weboftrust/ |
| 15:52.03 | stew | ah, i guess all the keys are not in the strong set, I thought they would be |
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| 15:52.38 | xk | cut the wires |
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| 15:55.51 | thewanderer1 | skilz: blacklist pcspkr |
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| 16:00.39 | EugenMayer_desk | how to actually find the font path used? its not in ENV |
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| 16:01.11 | rudi_s | ,versions clamav |
| 16:01.13 | judd | Package clamav on i386 -- lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-volatile: 0.97+dfsg-2~lenny1; squeeze: 0.97+dfsg-2~squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.97.1+dfsg-1~squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 0.97.1+dfsg-1~squeeze1; sid: 0.97.1+dfsg-1; wheezy: 0.97.1+dfsg-1 |
| 16:02.13 | rudi_s | Hm. Is it normal that http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=clamav lists clamav as 0.97 for squeeze, and not the version in squeeze-updates (which is 0.97.1)? |
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| 16:04.18 | kkulhavy | Hello. I have USB stick that fails to mount on one PC and works with identical Debian version on another PC. These are the error messages in dmesg on the machine where it fails:http://paste.debian.net/122336/ |
| 16:04.25 | jelly | rudi_s: yes if you searched in squeeze. |
| 16:04.29 | kkulhavy | How can I make the USB stick work on the machine where it fails? |
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| 16:05.11 | rudi_s | jelly: Hm. But with http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-updates&keywords=clamav I get no results. |
| 16:05.19 | jelly | rudi_s: sounds like a bug |
| 16:05.26 | jelly | in that web form |
| 16:05.33 | rudi_s | Ok. |
| 16:05.39 | thewanderer1 | kkulhavy: try another USB port |
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| 16:06.10 | babloo | hi debian |
| 16:06.15 | kkulhavy | thewanderer1, what exactly does it mean another USB port? |
| 16:06.37 | thewanderer1 | kkulhavy: er, another slot where you can insert the stick |
| 16:06.38 | kkulhavy | thewanderer1, I have one pair of connectors close together, is that one port or two ports? |
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| 16:06.44 | thewanderer1 | two ports |
| 16:06.52 | kkulhavy | OK I try the other slot |
| 16:06.55 | babloo | problem in debian squeeze while trying to boot in physical machine |
| 16:07.02 | thewanderer1 | but check other USB controllers too, if you have them (back/front should be 2 controllers) |
| 16:07.45 | Crell | Hi all. I am trying to figure out why my wget is not handling SSL connections. The only relevant package I see is wget itself, which is installed, and works fine for non-SSL URLs. Any idea what I should be checking? I'm on Lenny. |
| 16:08.12 | xk | Crell: firewall? |
| 16:08.18 | babloo | its getting hanged some one please help |
| 16:08.22 | xk | Crell: apt-get install nmap; nmap -p 443 -P0 <host> |
| 16:08.24 | Crell | No, a Mac on the same network can wget just fine. |
| 16:08.39 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: you mean your root-certs are not applied? |
| 16:08.40 | xk | "not handling"... what does it say? |
| 16:08.40 | babloo | problem in debian squeeze while trying to boot in physical machine getting hanged |
| 16:08.44 | jelly | Crell: how does it fail? |
| 16:08.48 | babloo | recovery console working |
| 16:09.09 | Crell | jelly: I get a message that wget cannot verify the host's certificate, so it bombs out. |
| 16:09.33 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: install the certificate? or use --no-very-certificate or similar |
| 16:09.41 | xk | Crell: dpkg --list| grep ca-cert |
| 16:09.41 | jelly | Crell: did you read about SSL options in the manual? |
| 16:09.46 | antivirtel | hello, how can I create manuals like that: http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.14/gdm.html ? I like its style, and I saw it somewhere else too... - so maybe thats a popular man generator, isn't it? |
| 16:09.51 | EugenMayer_desk | xk: wont help him on self-signed. |
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| 16:10.01 | Crell | I don't want to skip the cert verification, since wget is used from a script where I cannot tell it to do so. |
| 16:10.11 | Crell | It's not self-signed. The remote URL is github. :-) |
| 16:10.13 | kkulhavy | thewanderer1, I tried the other slot and the same problem. I don't have any other slots, neither in the front nor in the back |
| 16:10.17 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: install the root-cert you used to sign the certificate. |
| 16:10.21 | Crell | I have bot ca-certifcates and ssl-cert packages installed. |
| 16:10.25 | xk | Crell: what's the exact hostanme? |
| 16:10.38 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: update-ca-certificate or something like that |
| 16:10.40 | Crell | This is the URL: https://github.com/downloads/tinymce/tinymce/tinymce_3.4.3.2.zip |
| 16:10.56 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: poor drush make user :) |
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| 16:11.03 | jelly | worksforme |
| 16:11.08 | xk | Crell: works on an ancient box. |
| 16:11.14 | Crell | EugenMayer_desk: LOL. Quite. :-) |
| 16:11.23 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: ;-) |
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| 16:11.48 | Crell | jelly: Yeah, it works from the Macs in the office, but not our server. Hence why I'm here trying to figure out why. :-) |
| 16:11.57 | Crell | The issue is on that system somehow. |
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| 16:12.31 | Crell | My ca-certificates package appears to be up to date. |
| 16:12.33 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: my last try : update-ca-certificates |
| 16:12.38 | jelly | Crell: yeah, it seems to be local, I tried it on a lenny machine as well |
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| 16:12.54 | Crell | EugenMayer_desk: BINGO! |
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| 16:13.23 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: always listen to drupal devs. |
| 16:13.28 | Crell | So I guess the root cert archive on this server was just REALLY old. |
| 16:13.32 | Crell | EugenMayer_desk: Amen to that. :-) |
| 16:13.37 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: ;-) |
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| 16:14.11 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: next time dont be so hard with GPL2+-! formulations ... :-o |
| 16:14.24 | Crell | lol |
| 16:14.43 | babloo | EugenMayer_desk: help me >> problem in debian squeeze while trying to boot in physical machine getting hanged |
| 16:15.07 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: just jokn |
| 16:15.07 | Crell | Thanks, EugenMayer_desk. I'd ++ you if the bot here understood that. |
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| 16:15.29 | EugenMayer_desk | babloo: kernel panic? |
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| 16:15.44 | babloo | dont know :( |
| 16:15.54 | babloo | recovery console working fine |
| 16:15.55 | EugenMayer_desk | error? |
| 16:16.01 | EugenMayer_desk | god? |
| 16:16.03 | EugenMayer_desk | !god |
| 16:16.06 | EugenMayer_desk | sighs. |
| 16:16.14 | EugenMayer_desk | !beer |
| 16:16.27 | babloo | no errors just getting hanged while starting the services |
| 16:16.32 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: you see... they miss the fun here :) |
| 16:16.47 | babloo | haha no beer still time is there to ave it ;) |
| 16:16.56 | EugenMayer_desk | babloo: be sure you dont have an FW issue and simply get looooong timeouts |
| 16:17.18 | EugenMayer_desk | babloo: but you can try to ctrl+c to see if thats one issue. |
| 16:17.18 | tharkun | !squeeze |
| 16:17.34 | babloo | it doesnt display any thing even just getting hanged i need to reboot it again manually |
| 16:17.53 | EugenMayer_desk | babloo: no errors -no help :) |
| 16:18.02 | babloo | :( |
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| 16:19.24 | Lenin_Cat | Is there a way to make firefox filter what websites to collect history on and which ones to not? I will be on vacation with multiable people soon. :P |
| 16:20.43 | antivirtel | hello, how can I create manuals like that: http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.14/gdm.html ? I like its style, and I saw it somewhere else too... - so maybe thats a popular man generator, isn't it? |
| 16:21.41 | Crell | That appears to be built off of a DocBook source. |
| 16:21.48 | Crell | I don't know what build system they're using. |
| 16:22.09 | Crell | DocBook is an XML format. I really like it, but hate the available build systems with a passion. (I've yet to find one I like.) |
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| 16:23.39 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: use FOP :) |
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| 16:25.00 | Crell | FOP is just for XSLFO->PDF, I thought. |
| 16:25.03 | Crell | Or was when last I used it. |
| 16:25.25 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: basically yes, thats right |
| 16:25.39 | Crell | The Docbook XSL project is powerful, but dear god is it convoluted. And the output is super verbose. And the build chain for it is a Java nightmare. |
| 16:26.06 | Crell | Right, I have no use for PDF. :-) DocBook->HTML and DocBook->EPub are all I'd be interested in these days. |
| 16:26.11 | EugenMayer_desk | Crell: we are using FOP for printing Drupal books |
| 16:26.19 | Crell | Who is we? |
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| 16:26.42 | EugenMayer_desk | EugenMayer_desk: we ~ "our company" |
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| 16:30.13 | tharkun | Gentlemen how can i make gdm3 prompt for a user instead of selecting one from a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge list? |
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| 16:32.34 | Iridos | stew, (sorry, had to leave for a bit) yes, not only how repositories are signed, but the whole process after a maintainer uploads a package... I know the upload has to be approved and a couple of other things, but have no complete overview |
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| 16:34.49 | twobitsprite | anyone know what the future of OOo in debian is now that it's been donated to the apache foundation? |
| 16:35.17 | twobitsprite | (openoffice.org) |
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| 16:35.44 | stew | twobitsprite: the guy that was doing all the maintanence on openoffice.org is now working on libreoffice instead |
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| 16:35.49 | ompaul | twobitsprite: testing runs libreoffice, and squeeze runs OOo |
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| 16:36.39 | stew | Iridos: look here: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release that is the file that defines the "release". it has md5sums of a bunch of other indexes for all sub components |
| 16:37.24 | stew | Iridos: for instance, a list of packages in main, for i386: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 16:37.44 | stew | Iridos: that in turn has md5s off all the packages in that component, in that arch |
| 16:38.32 | stew | Iridos: next to the Releaes file, which has indexes of the indexes is a Release.gpg, which is the signature of the release file. this signature is created by the ftp-master server |
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| 16:39.12 | stew | Iridos: so with that you know the Release hasn't changed, and with the Release you can verify the md5sums of the lists of packages, and with the list of packages you can verify that the .debs haven't changed |
| 16:39.29 | zykotick9 | tharkun, edit /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults uncomment/change line to "/apps/gdm/simple-greeter/disable_user_list true" |
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| 16:40.34 | tharkun | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 16:43.17 | Iridos | stew, and apt-get/apt-cache checks all these md5 sums? |
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| 16:44.53 | Iridos | well, apt-get |
| 16:44.55 | Iridos | I guess |
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| 16:45.26 | stew | Iridos: yes |
| 16:47.19 | SpeedyG | hm, where's dpkg :( |
| 16:47.29 | stew | SpeedyG: vacation, use dselect |
| 16:47.33 | SpeedyG | ah ok |
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| 16:48.21 | SpeedyG | hm, dselect isn't particularly nice to me :( |
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| 16:48.32 | Iridos | hm, but I thought the same system is used for testing/unstable... and that doesn't have releases but changes constantly |
| 16:48.35 | stew | %fruitsmite SpeedyG |
| 16:48.35 | dselect | smites SpeedyG with a dozen lemons |
| 16:48.42 | kof | :q |
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| 16:48.47 | SpeedyG | i'm looking for some kind of package that can make changes to pdf files (e.g. add comments in them) |
| 16:48.47 | kof | sry |
| 16:48.52 | stew | Iridos: yes, it has Release files |
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| 16:49.09 | SpeedyG | lemons... nice... i'll make some lemonade! |
| 16:49.16 | stew | Iridos: i mean testing/unstable (as does experimental). don't get too caught up on the file name |
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| 16:49.47 | Flashtek | another successful upgrade.. |
| 16:50.01 | Flashtek | except for a hiccup with MySQL... but fixed that.. |
| 16:50.09 | Flashtek | lenny -> squeeze |
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| 16:51.00 | tharkun | [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung <-- any ideas It just hangs the whole machine |
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| 16:52.40 | Iridos | I just mean then the Release file must change all the time |
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| 16:55.09 | tharkun | Can i be required to show a list of the programs my linux machines are running? |
| 16:55.17 | kkulhavy | Anyone has an idea how I could make the USB stick work? |
| 16:56.37 | mentor | !ping |
| 16:56.49 | asarch | !sarge |
| 16:56.52 | Iridos | %slap mentor |
| 16:56.52 | dselect | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across mentor's face |
| 16:57.10 | jhutchins_lt | kkulhavy: Open the case and check the internal connections. |
| 16:57.28 | jhutchins_lt | kkulhavy: Does *anything* work on that machine's usb ports? |
| 16:57.32 | mentor | This is what happens when the bots unionise |
| 16:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | kkulhavy: dmesg | grep -i usb |
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| 16:58.20 | th0r | jhutchins_lt: I don't think that command will make it work |
| 16:58.37 | kkulhavy | jhutchins_lt, yes mouse and keyboard, should I still open the case and check the connections? |
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| 16:59.04 | kkulhavy | jhutchins_lt, the USB ports are actually onboard |
| 16:59.35 | Iridos | mentor, hehe... (and I just thought you needed a little hint as to which character to use and which bot will react) |
| 16:59.48 | jhutchins_lt | kkulhavy: No, if the ports work with one device, they should work with another. |
| 16:59.48 | mentor | I understood |
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| 17:00.12 | kkulhavy | jhutchins_lt, here are the errors in dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/122336/ |
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| 17:04.26 | michlemken-1 | Each time i boot resolv.conf is empty - why ? |
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| 17:04.41 | michlemken-1 | ... using debian testing |
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| 17:06.38 | wols_ | michlemken-1: cause something overwrites it. usually something related to dhcp |
| 17:06.57 | Iridos | michlemken-1, dhclient writes into it... usually after it got a dhcp offer... remove any dhcp clients if you are using a static IP |
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| 17:07.24 | valdyn | dhcp clients and the resolvconf package |
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| 17:07.59 | michlemken-1 | can i keep the packages and just disable them ? |
| 17:08.11 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:08.37 | michlemken-1 | dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 17:08.41 | wols_ | but the question you have to answer first is what is overwriting it. and that depends wholly on your configuraiton we don't know about |
| 17:08.44 | wols_ | no, not dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:09.04 | valdyn | michlemken-1: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf after you modified it to its correct state |
| 17:09.17 | wols_ | valdyn: that's crude |
| 17:09.23 | valdyn | yes! |
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| 17:10.54 | Iridos | also won't work on all filesystems |
| 17:11.00 | Iridos | if it does, it's effective :) |
| 17:11.13 | valdyn | michlemken-1: if you show us your /etc/network/interfaces we can point you closer to the correct fix. Abovement chattr +i is brutal and will just work too |
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| 17:13.49 | wols_ | Iridos: which ones doesn't it work? |
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| 17:15.11 | Iridos | wols_, definitely reiserfs, dunno about others (xfs seems to have chattr, I didn't know that, I thought it was extX-specific) |
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| 17:15.55 | Iridos | wols_, (also of course vfat, but that's a bit silly as you wouldn't use that anyway) |
| 17:16.02 | valdyn | btrfs does not |
| 17:17.32 | valdyn | the lsattr manpage mentions ext2 explicitely |
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| 17:19.06 | michlemken-1 | ... mmm maybe /sbin/dhclient-script is the offender ... |
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| 17:19.38 | valdyn | michlemken-1: no, the actual offender is your network setup or your dhcp server |
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| 17:26.02 | queso | For the packages provided via mozilla.debian.net, how can I determine if there are compatible versions of plugins like adblockplus and noscript available for iceweasel-release? |
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| 17:27.23 | Justin | queso: noscript and adblock work just fine on firefox 5, so I'd imagine you should be ok |
| 17:27.33 | michlemken-1 | .... the /etc/network/interfaces is here http://codepad.org/hdsv3IOb |
| 17:28.42 | abrotman | can't have two gateways |
| 17:29.12 | queso | Justin: okay, so the xul-ext-noscript package is provided by squeeze default repos. Is there a way to determine which repository provides a given package in aptitude? |
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| 17:30.00 | zykotick9 | queso, "apt-cache policy xul-ext-noscript" will show you the repo |
| 17:30.07 | Ichigo | Was the package "libfaac" removed from the debian repo's? |
| 17:30.08 | Iridos | valdyn, right... but I just tested chattr +i on xfs and it doesn't produce an error and afterwards on rm root get the error: rm: cannot remove `x.html': Operation not permitted |
| 17:30.11 | queso | zykotick9: thank you |
| 17:30.20 | Ichigo | Or was it renamed? |
| 17:30.26 | Iridos | so it must be implemented on xfs .... at least for +i |
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| 17:30.47 | Ichigo | Because I find multiple sites stating that it exists, but Debian tells me it cannot find the package libfaac or libfaac-dev |
| 17:30.49 | stew | Iridos: libfaac has never been in debian ttbomk |
| 17:30.54 | stew | Ichigo: ^^ |
| 17:31.09 | Ichigo | stew, Hm. It doesn't want to compile properly on Debian either :/ |
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| 17:31.30 | zykotick9 | Ichigo, libfaac0 from %dmm |
| 17:31.47 | Ichigo | zykotick9, I tried that to. |
| 17:31.53 | Ichigo | Oh, from %dmm? |
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| 17:32.10 | zykotick9 | %dmm |
| 17:32.11 | dselect | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 17:32.24 | Ichigo | Ahh, I see. |
| 17:32.39 | Ichigo | %dmm squeeze |
| 17:32.39 | dselect | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
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| 17:35.52 | Ichigo | There we go. Thanks! |
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| 17:36.50 | karlpinc_ | Ichigo: See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for alternatives to dmm. |
| 17:37.37 | michlemken-1 | ... a "prepend domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1;" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf might do it |
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| 17:41.03 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 17:44.11 | karlpinc_ | %tell michlemken-1 about override dns |
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| 17:49.40 | michlemken-1 | thanks |
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| 17:52.44 | koshieFinalReliz | It is really useful to have a swap partition ? I've 4GB of RAM and I don't want to use hibernation. |
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| 17:53.27 | satty | then no need to add SWAP, koshieFinalReliz |
| 17:53.31 | stew | koshieFinalReliz: yes. the kernel will swap out stuff that isn't being used in order to make more room for cache |
| 17:53.54 | satty | koshieFinalReliz, its an option not necessacity |
| 17:54.31 | koshieFinalReliz | satty, say yes, stew no :D |
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| 17:55.11 | satty | both have different mind set |
| 17:55.11 | genfool | koshieFinalReliz, http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
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| 17:56.09 | Zapadlo | There is no reason not to have a small one |
| 17:57.05 | koshieFinalReliz | Zapadlo, yes but I'm just a little bit curious :)) |
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| 17:59.00 | Zapadlo | koshieFinalReliz theoretically you can skip it |
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| 17:59.36 | stew | you can skip it at a performance penalty |
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| 18:03.05 | koshieFinalReliz | Ok thanks everyone for your responses |
| 18:04.14 | koshieFinalReliz | A second question, the /boot partition never have sensitive stuff ? |
| 18:04.19 | koshieFinalReliz | I don't need to encrypt it? |
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| 18:05.00 | Zapadlo | Not sure you can |
| 18:05.04 | satty | it don't have sensitive data but very critical data instead |
| 18:05.17 | koshieFinalReliz | Oh I'm idiot |
| 18:05.23 | koshieFinalReliz | I can't encrypt /boot :> |
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| 18:05.45 | Zapadlo | :-) |
| 18:05.50 | Bushmills | koshieFinalReliz: linux kernels, available by freely downloading from internet, are extremely privacy sensitive |
| 18:06.03 | koshieFinalReliz | :) |
| 18:07.14 | koshieFinalReliz | Why a btrfs partition need an external /boot ? |
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| 18:08.08 | Bushmills | so the boot kernel can be read from a non-btrfs volume |
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| 18:12.01 | koshieFinalReliz | Oh my god, I've made some shit on my partitionning… :'-| |
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| 18:12.18 | philips | How do I build a package that uses the quilt format? |
| 18:12.30 | philips | When I run dpkg-buildpackage the patches aren't applied. |
| 18:12.35 | koshieFinalReliz | All the harddrive is encrypted… I can't use BTRFS + separated /boot |
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| 18:17.43 | Iridos | how do I see what fonts are installed on the system what package they come from? I see e.g. Nimbus Sans L in Inkscape, but can't find any with apt-cache or apt-file (so if I wouldn't have it I wouldn't know what to install to get it) |
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| 18:19.14 | kkulhavy | jhutchins_lt, I tried booting Ubuntu 11.04 CD and it has the same problem with the USB stick |
| 18:19.34 | twobitsprite | Iridos: you can check the lists on http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
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| 18:19.43 | stew | Iridos: perhas "fc-list -v" |
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| 18:23.24 | twobitsprite | lol... I love the sudden gap in the bug count on the bts... I wish I downloaded debian on that day :P |
| 18:23.43 | kkulhavy | twisted, what is bts? |
| 18:23.49 | handygandy | Roughly when is kde 4.6.5 going to be avail;able for testing? |
| 18:24.03 | daemonkeeper | kkulhavy: There Debian Bug Tracking System (bugs.d.o) |
| 18:24.14 | daemonkeeper | *The |
| 18:24.21 | Iridos | twobitsprite / stew both ... interesting, thanks can't see how exactly to track fonts with either, but I'm reading |
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| 18:24.40 | twobitsprite | kkulhavy: bug tracking system: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 18:24.59 | Iridos | the wiki mentions http://fonts.debian.net/ which I also didn't know |
| 18:25.32 | xelister | on computer with 2 internet connections, one is normal ethernet other g3 modem, how to make it so all programs use eth connection - route via it. Unless it would go down then use the other one? Can all packets be auto-rooted or must there be some script to detect that packets via eth are not working? |
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| 18:26.29 | kkulhavy | xelister, we tried this in our company and it was a big challenge |
| 18:26.35 | kkulhavy | xelister, I think it's called failover |
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| 18:28.07 | Bushmills | xelister: you can use a simple trick to have the default gateway as fallback, without resorting to metric: when preferred interface comes up, add two routes 0.0.0.0/1 and 128.0.0.0/1 through it. when that interface goes down and tears its routes down, the default gateway will be used again |
| 18:28.18 | Amy1004 | Hi, I have a VPS, does anyone know how I can create users please (command line) and assign users to a directory and lock them into it, for example, add user: "alex" and lock him into "/var/www/a/alex" so "alex" can't access other directories such as "/var/www/a/amy", thank you |
| 18:29.19 | xelister | kkulhavy: did you managed to get a workin solution? |
| 18:29.30 | kkulhavy | xelister, I don't remember |
| 18:29.42 | kkulhavy | but it was definitely failing in the beginning |
| 18:29.47 | kkulhavy | and required a lot of work invested |
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| 18:30.04 | Iridos | stew, ah... for existing fonts this provides the file: fc-list : family style file spacing |grep -i 'Nimbus Sans L' |
| 18:30.26 | thewanderer1 | xelister: you can use a simple ping script, since ping allows you to specify the outgoing interface, and route all packets via the eth* by default, by giving the eth* route a lower metric than the 3G one |
| 18:30.29 | kkulhavy | Amy1004, but if they cannot access other directories, they won't be able to use the computer for anything |
| 18:30.55 | tharkun | Amy1004: Too many open variables to give a meaninful answer |
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| 18:31.49 | stew | Amy1004: how is "alex" going to connect to the server? via sftp? ssh? telnet? sitting at the console? |
| 18:31.52 | kkulhavy | Amy1004, you want that? |
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| 18:31.58 | xelister | tharkun: how to give metric to eth1 in cmdline? |
| 18:32.09 | Bushmills | Amy1004: (future) users in a biological sense aren't usually created by using a computer. |
| 18:32.12 | tharkun | xelister: man ip |
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| 18:32.14 | Amy1004 | stew, via sftp |
| 18:32.22 | Iridos | \o/ and this provides the package(s): fc-list : family style file spacing |grep -i 'Nimbus Sans L'|awk '{print $1}'|sed 's/://' |xargs dlocate |awk '{print $1}'|sort -u |
| 18:33.14 | kkulhavy | Amy1004, I would set permissions for each directory so that only the owner can enter it |
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| 18:34.04 | stew | Amy1004: add users with "adduser", change their home directory with "usermod", you can can chroot an sftp user to their home directory: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
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| 18:36.38 | n-iCe | hi |
| 18:37.42 | n-iCe | have a question, my wireless does not work with a 54MB/s bit rate, seems to be a driver bug or something, have been looking in forums they say to set it to 5.5M what can this affect me? I talk about download speed, signal strenght, etc |
| 18:37.55 | thewanderer1 | Amy1004: you should really consider using proper permissions to limit access instead: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:38.01 | Justin | n-iCe: what is it working with? |
| 18:38.55 | n-iCe | what do you mean? |
| 18:39.17 | Justin | n-iCe: is your wireless not working at all? slow? |
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| 18:40.26 | n-iCe | Justin: in 54MB/s it does not surf, I mean is not recievieng/Sending packets, can't surf in a browser, can't launch skype, msn even IRC is not accesible |
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| 18:41.03 | kkulhavy | n-iCe, I believe setting to lower speed should work with worse signal, but the transmission speed may be lower |
| 18:41.09 | kkulhavy | n-iCe, how fast is your Internet connection? |
| 18:41.16 | n-iCe | 12MB |
| 18:41.29 | n-iCe | that's what my ISP gives me in download |
| 18:41.31 | kkulhavy | OK then if you set 5.5MB then the wireless will slow down |
| 18:41.47 | n-iCe | if I set it to 5.5M all works awesome |
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| 18:42.05 | n-iCe | but I wanna know how much can it affect me in a big download |
| 18:42.26 | kkulhavy | n-iCe, I think it will limit the download speed to about 3 Mbps |
| 18:42.48 | n-iCe | that's the thing :< |
| 18:43.11 | n-iCe | is the rtl8187 driver, any idea? maybe a patch something? |
| 18:43.13 | n-iCe | @rtl8187 |
| 18:43.16 | n-iCe | !rtl8186 |
| 18:43.19 | n-iCe | !rtl8186 |
| 18:43.21 | n-iCe | 7 |
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| 18:43.35 | kkulhavy | n-iCe, are u sure it's caused by bug and not just laws of physics? |
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| 18:44.32 | n-iCe | what do you mean? |
| 18:44.45 | n-iCe | I mean, I have tried the card in others routers as well |
| 18:44.47 | n-iCe | not just in my home |
| 18:44.49 | n-iCe | and is the same |
| 18:44.53 | n-iCe | must be the driver |
| 18:44.56 | kkulhavy | aha |
| 18:45.03 | kkulhavy | n-iCe, so you basically have a plenty of signal? |
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| 18:45.48 | Iridos | twobitsprite, interesting... actually this page should also answer the question, and it does... but it doesn't find the same gsfonts/gsfonts-x11 packages, but typo3-src-4.5 (which I haven't got installed) |
| 18:45.52 | n-iCe | 80% right now |
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| 18:47.28 | kkulhavy | n-iCe, sorry then I don't know how to fix bug in driver :( |
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| 18:50.12 | n-iCe | the question is, what bit rate does |
| 18:50.23 | n-iCe | why will it slow down my speed |
| 18:52.08 | wols_ | n-iCe: what's the PCI ID? |
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| 18:52.52 | n-iCe | wols_: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter |
| 18:52.55 | n-iCe | that? |
| 18:53.51 | wols_ | n-iCe: you can try a newer kernel where this bug might have been fixed. /msg dselect backport |
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| 18:54.20 | kkulhavy | n-iCe, bit rate is how often the bits are transmitted |
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| 18:54.34 | qop | hello there. I am trying to make a perfect drive copy and have failed with g4l, parted and dd :( Dunno what is wrong as I do as usual. Parted gives me NTFS boot error, g4l makes the bios no to see the drive and the last time I used dd the image was corrupted :( Right now I am doing this unless you have a better sugestion: dd if=/dev/sdc bs=1M | gzip -c - > /media/Data/dell.image.gz |
| 18:54.37 | kkulhavy | n-iCe, 5.5Mbps means 5.5 million bits are transmitted every second |
| 18:54.46 | kkulhavy | and 54 Mbps 54 million bits are transmitted every second |
| 18:55.42 | wols_ | qop: use something written for the purpose like clonezilla partimage etc |
| 18:55.58 | wols_ | qop: with your blocksize of 1M, what happens if the last block is only 500kB? |
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| 18:56.09 | qop | wols_: did, I actually ran partedmagic which have all those. failed |
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| 18:56.35 | qop | wols_: wise enough, I should just ommit the bs part right? |
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| 18:56.56 | wols_ | sure. if you want it to take until 2 weeks from now |
| 18:57.26 | qop | clonezilla also made bios no to recognize the drive... I assume there is something buggy in the original drive itself... |
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| 18:57.46 | qop | wols_: I know :( better ideas |
| 18:57.47 | qop | ? |
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| 19:07.04 | juji | how can i check the negation of a regex in bash? i tried !~ or !=~ but they're wrong |
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| 19:08.00 | juji | oh nvm, i just put a ! at the beginning of the exp |
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| 19:08.41 | jhutchins_lt | Fastest way to find an obvious answer - post the question to the 'net. |
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| 19:11.09 | juji | yeah, i just got lazy, i didn't even googled it :) |
| 19:11.14 | infinity0 | hi guys i have an x problem |
| 19:11.29 | infinity0 | i have thinkpad x201 and just installed debian testing onto ti |
| 19:11.35 | infinity0 | console works fine |
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| 19:11.51 | infinity0 | but when gdm3 starts, only the clit mouse and top mouse buttons are responsive |
| 19:11.55 | Iridos | the answer being that bash doesn't use regexps? |
| 19:12.00 | infinity0 | the touchpad, bottom mouse buttons, and keyboard, are not responsive |
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| 19:12.08 | infinity0 | i have no xorg.conf |
| 19:12.11 | infinity0 | any ideas? |
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| 19:15.29 | n-iCe | infinity0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:16.00 | stew | does that do anything? |
| 19:17.04 | wols_ | infinity0: let me guess, testing? |
| 19:17.09 | infinity0 | yeah |
| 19:17.21 | wols_ | run stable |
| 19:17.22 | infinity0 | just ran dpkg-reconfigure, restarting to test |
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| 19:17.54 | infinity0 | no it's too old, and someone needs to test testing |
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| 19:18.50 | infinity0 | dpkg-reconfigure has no effect |
| 19:18.58 | kalofoli | hi guys. How can i edit the runlevels, to change rl3 to somewhat more appropriate for me? I'd prefere an ncurses tool |
| 19:19.20 | infinity0 | kalofoli: there's a package called sysv-rc-conf or something similar |
| 19:19.40 | kalofoli | thanks infinity!! |
| 19:19.52 | jhutchins_lt | rcconf, chkconfig |
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| 19:20.30 | kalofoli | rcconf does not seem to provide fnctionality to change specific rls, infinity0 EXACTLY wha tI needed!ahnks! |
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| 19:21.08 | infinity0 | np :) |
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| 19:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | kalofoli: You can specify which runlevels to change with rcconf, just as you can with chkconfig. |
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| 19:24.28 | kingsley | I'm back from the archeological dig. |
| 19:24.44 | kingsley | And the carbon dating results are ready. |
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| 19:25.22 | jhutchins_lt | So what release was it? |
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| 19:25.34 | kingsley | At the oldest strata, I found packages fifteen years old. |
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| 19:26.00 | jhutchins_lt | Which was what release name? |
| 19:26.23 | kingsley | jhutchins_lt: That's a good question. Let's find out. |
| 19:26.33 | kingsley | googles... |
| 19:26.34 | jelly-home | bo |
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| 19:26.54 | jelly-home | %release history |
| 19:26.54 | dselect | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
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| 19:29.09 | kingsley | The oldest package is dated September 29th, 1996. |
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| 19:30.13 | kingsley | So, if I understand jelly-home's fine release history correctly, the release's name was "Rex" or "1.2". |
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| 19:30.38 | mrtnt1 | I installed "cpuburn" package and I did not find executable called "cpuburn"(for example "whereis cpuburn" gives nothing). So I did "dpkg -S cpuburn" in order to see the files which were written to my system, but there was nothing useful. Finally I found the burnP5, burnK6 etc executables, but why didn't "dpkg -S cpuburn" list those files? |
| 19:31.30 | stew | mrtnt1: you want "dpkg -L cpuburn" not "dpkg -S cpuburn". -L is "files in this package", -S is "files with this name" |
| 19:31.44 | kingsley | Would anyone like to venture a guess on what the oldest package is? |
| 19:31.56 | sje46 | kingsley: on debian? |
| 19:32.10 | jelly-home | kingsley: file timestamps may and often are older than releases |
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| 19:32.14 | totte | Has anyone tried out the "Mint" monitoring tool (http://haveamint.com/) and compared it to Munin? |
| 19:32.18 | mrtnt1 | stew: hehh, thx! :) |
| 19:32.34 | kingsley | sje46: On my incrementally upgraded computer. |
| 19:33.00 | totte | Mint is more into website analytics but I find Munin a bit uneasy on the eyes. |
| 19:33.12 | kingsley | jelly-home: I agree. |
| 19:33.12 | sje46 | I don'tknow. Less? |
| 19:33.47 | kingsley | sje46: Nice try, but nope. |
| 19:33.48 | twobitsprite | kingsley: I would guess apt |
| 19:34.43 | kingsley | twobitsprite: Proximo sed nolo fumigare (Latin for "Close, but no cigar.) |
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| 19:34.58 | twobitsprite | kingsley: or maybe vim (or whatever they used for a vi clone in ancient times) |
| 19:35.06 | stew | kingsley: how would you determine the age of packages that old? |
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| 19:35.43 | kingsley | twobitsprite: Good guess, but I must reply in the negative again. |
| 19:36.04 | stew | kingsley: like, how did you get the date as being in 1996? |
| 19:36.23 | stew | and how do you know you don't have packages older than that? |
| 19:36.26 | kingsley | stew: I used your fine suggestion of "aptitude changelog <package-name>". |
| 19:36.37 | stew | kingsley: changelogs that old don't necessarily have dates though |
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| 19:36.51 | stew | kingsley: for instance, what was the date of binutils 2.7-1 |
| 19:37.46 | stew | (in fact, i believe that changelog format was standardized in 1996, which is why I'm guessing you are seeing 1996, becuase you don't have a way of determining the age of anything older) |
| 19:38.10 | kingsley | stew: In the interest of full disclose, I was unable to date about a third of the packages, so it seems possible to me that some packages are even older. |
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| 19:38.46 | kingsley | stew: Having said that, I was able to date 2,682 packages. |
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| 19:40.10 | kingsley | stew: I didn't date binutils, and I share your concern about missing dates. |
| 19:40.48 | de_9W2JDY | what about this error > "php-fastcgi missing lsb tags and overrides" |
| 19:40.58 | de_9W2JDY | after doing apt-get |
| 19:41.07 | twobitsprite | kingsley: so what package was the oldest? |
| 19:41.18 | valdyn | de_9W2JDY: that should be an error thrown by insserv |
| 19:41.21 | kingsley | stew: On the other hand, I started using Debian in 1996, so at least in my archeology experiment, I don't think the omission is fatal. |
| 19:41.32 | stew | de_9W2JDY: /etc/init.d/php-fastcgi is either an init script that didn't come from debian, or one that is so old that it doesn't have the now required LSB headers |
| 19:41.35 | valdyn | de_9W2JDY: and its not an "error" really in the sense that it breaks anything, its just a warning |
| 19:42.24 | de_9W2JDY | ok guys tq |
| 19:42.32 | kingsley | Would anyone else like to guess which package is oldest, before I reveal its identity? |
| 19:42.51 | stew | kingsley: you don't know what it is yourself |
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| 19:44.05 | rabbitear | yo, decode this words I say |
| 19:44.08 | rabbitear | ma he |
| 19:44.14 | kingsley | stew: Of course. |
| 19:44.16 | rabbitear | then you can go drink or do whatever |
| 19:44.24 | rabbitear | hey.. |
| 19:44.29 | rabbitear | 'ma he' |
| 19:44.31 | stew | rabbitear: do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:44.42 | rabbitear | it is |
| 19:44.48 | rabbitear | if you know what I'm taking about |
| 19:45.08 | stew | rabbitear: you'll have to do a better job at phrasing it then, and please don't hit enter so often |
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| 19:45.31 | rabbitear | sound this out for me stew 'ma he' |
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| 19:45.39 | rabbitear | I don't have http here |
| 19:45.42 | stew | rabbitear: what does this have to do with debian? if nothing, please just stop |
| 19:46.01 | rabbitear | well, its okay, I'll stop asking |
| 19:46.03 | kingsley | I will now reveal the oldest package found, at the lowest strata, after within the limits of current debian carbon dating technology (cough, cough stew)... |
| 19:46.04 | rabbitear | for now! |
| 19:46.25 | kingsley | m4 |
| 19:46.46 | homie | hmmmmmm cow ribs! |
| 19:46.49 | homie | lol |
| 19:47.04 | kingsley | September 29, 1996. |
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| 19:47.25 | twobitsprite | that makes sense |
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| 19:47.59 | twobitsprite | it's something which would have been installed at first, but rarely upgraded |
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| 19:48.14 | twobitsprite | (in this case, never :P) |
| 19:48.44 | homie | automake is just horns not ? |
| 19:48.47 | homie | lol |
| 19:48.52 | Posterdati | hi |
| 19:48.54 | kingsley | Would anyone like to guess what the youngest package is? |
| 19:49.01 | twobitsprite | irssi? |
| 19:49.03 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 19:49.48 | twobitsprite | or, no... xchat :) |
| 19:49.49 | Posterdati | please an o.t. question: I've to test a modern mobo for pci-express broken socket, may I use an old pci vga on this mobo connected to the pci slot to see if the mobo starts? |
| 19:50.02 | abrotman | ##hardware |
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| 19:51.24 | kingsley | twobitsprite: Heh! Nice tries on both counts, and I'll concede you bonus points for irony. |
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| 19:51.42 | valdyn | Posterdati: why don't you try and see? |
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| 19:52.13 | kingsley | Would anyone else like to guess what the youngest package is, before I reveal it? |
| 19:52.14 | Posterdati | valdyn: :) |
| 19:52.21 | rabbitear | do you have to say debian while your talking in debain? |
| 19:52.41 | rabbitear | every thing you mean, should be added a tag of debain |
| 19:52.49 | valdyn | Posterdati: if theres no onboard gfx, it should just work |
| 19:52.58 | kingsley | libgts-0.7-5 |
| 19:53.02 | rabbitear | k |
| 19:53.15 | kingsley | May 31st, 2011. |
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| 19:54.43 | Posterdati | valdyn: ok |
| 19:54.45 | Posterdati | valdyn: thanks |
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| 19:58.34 | sje46 | HEllo, can anyone tell me what's wrong with this fstab entry? /dev/sda4 /media/windows ntfs auto,user,exec,rw,sync 0 0 |
| 19:58.48 | sje46 | Is there a syntax error or something? |
| 19:59.16 | karlpinc_ | sje46: No. But it won't automatically mount at boot. |
| 19:59.25 | sje46 | karlpinc_: why not? |
| 20:00.07 | karlpinc_ | sje46: Oops. I'm wrong. |
| 20:00.53 | ompaul | users, not user methinks |
| 20:01.14 | Iridos | which package provides the xserver-xorg init script? |
| 20:01.21 | ompaul | sje46: ^^ perhaps you might like to read that line |
| 20:01.41 | valdyn | "user" |
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| 20:01.54 | twobitsprite | Iridos: you mean gdm/kdm init scripts? |
| 20:01.58 | Iridos | oh... seems that's just vanished from squeeze |
| 20:02.06 | karlpinc_ | sje46: You can use the mount command to test: mount /media/windows See if it complains. |
| 20:03.27 | ompaul | hmm first two systems I test one says users the other says yser |
| 20:03.29 | ompaul | yser |
| 20:03.30 | sje46 | ompaul: man says user |
| 20:03.32 | ompaul | user eve |
| 20:03.32 | Iridos | twobitsprite, no... my laptop had an init script called xserver-xorg and that was old and preventing reconfiguration of sysv-rc package... seems it's just some unused left-over (although it also had a symlink) |
| 20:03.36 | ompaul | n |
| 20:03.41 | sje46 | see! that's exactly what Iw as talking about the other day |
| 20:03.51 | sje46 | the documentation is split between user and users. And people here were flaming me abou tit |
| 20:03.52 | Iridos | yuser? |
| 20:04.20 | ompaul | sje46: you ain't being flamed I have two systems |
| 20:04.23 | ompaul | both differ |
| 20:04.32 | valdyn | sje46: user works, I dont know about users |
| 20:04.32 | sje46 | ompaul: I meant the other day in here. |
| 20:04.52 | valdyn | sje46: its however possible that different filesystems use a different option |
| 20:05.03 | sje46 | The device '/dev/sda4' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS. |
| 20:05.05 | ompaul | this is ext4 |
| 20:05.11 | karlpinc_ | sje46: I don't see any 'users' in man fstab. (But yes, it's up to the fs what options it accepts.) |
| 20:05.28 | ompaul | the other is ext3 |
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| 20:06.23 | sje46 | So its impossible for me to mount to ntfs at boot? |
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| 20:06.47 | valdyn | sje46: why wouldnt you? |
| 20:07.04 | ompaul | sje46: this is from a totally different o/s but here you go see what it says I think you have a lot of options to play with yet /dev/sda1 /windows/C ntfs-3g user,users,gid=users,fmask=113,dmask=002,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 |
| 20:07.16 | ompaul | -3g ain't here afik |
| 20:07.22 | jhutchins_lt | According to man (5) fstab, "user" allows any user to mount the device. |
| 20:07.45 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.03 | ompaul | just two styles please document which works for you |
| 20:08.51 | stew | "If any user should be able to unmount, then use users instead of user in the fstab line" |
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| 20:09.11 | jhutchins_lt | man mount says users allows any user to UN mount. |
| 20:09.25 | sje46 | I am...really cofused right now... |
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| 20:09.27 | karlpinc_ | stew: From "man fstab"? Must be wheezy. |
| 20:09.28 | ompaul | stew: nice find I have not looked at fstab correctly ever |
| 20:09.36 | stew | karlpinc_: no, from mount |
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| 20:09.43 | karlpinc_ | stew: Ah. |
| 20:09.52 | valdyn | sje46: users means that one user can step on the toes of any other user with regards to messing with that fs |
| 20:09.56 | kingsley | A nice histogram of the ages of packages installed on my computer is at http://picpaste.com/pics/b9c736b47fe4efb2905ada0d4d64703f.1310155669.png |
| 20:10.14 | sje46 | Okay, for the third column, I should put ntfs-3g instead of ntfs? |
| 20:10.33 | valdyn | sje46: why? |
| 20:10.42 | sje46 | because of ompaul's exampe |
| 20:10.49 | karlpinc_ | sje46: What is really the problem? What error are you getting when you type "mount /media/windows" or what is the problem? |
| 20:10.57 | sje46 | and because it'ssaying that ntfs isnt working |
| 20:11.06 | valdyn | sje46: theres 3 ntfs implementations |
| 20:11.25 | valdyn | sje46: or maybe im confused and theres really just 2 - use whatever you want of those |
| 20:11.36 | karlpinc_ | sje46: You have to give us the error message if you want us to know what's broken. |
| 20:11.39 | sje46 | ne second |
| 20:11.56 | sje46 | http://pastebin.com/gUL6X2Ca |
| 20:11.59 | ompaul | sje46: I just provided them to show there are options |
| 20:12.02 | sje46 | I gave one part of the error message before |
| 20:12.15 | valdyn | man mount.ntfs-fuse |
| 20:12.17 | ompaul | I'm looking at the man page for mount right now |
| 20:12.18 | valdyn | oops |
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| 20:12.48 | ompaul | sje46: fdisk -L in a pastebin please |
| 20:13.28 | jhutchins_lt | sje46: May I suggest that you try mount -t auto /dev/sda4 and see if it mounts as something other than ntfs? |
| 20:13.29 | karlpinc_ | sje46: It also wouldn't hurt to have the output of "file -s /dev/sda4". |
| 20:13.32 | valdyn | appearantly theres 3 anyway, ntfs ( in kernel ), fuse and 3g |
| 20:13.39 | sje46 | ompaul: that isnt even in the repositories |
| 20:13.43 | valdyn | however despite its name 3g is based on fuse too |
| 20:14.22 | sje46 | jhutchins_lt: usage error |
| 20:14.24 | ompaul | sje46: sorry lower case l |
| 20:14.47 | sje46 | sean@sean:/$ sudo file -s /dev/sda4 |
| 20:14.47 | sje46 | /dev/sda4: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x83, active, starthead 254, startsector 2, 19529728 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x5, starthead 254, startsector 19529730, 3616768 sectors, code offset 0x0 |
| 20:14.58 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: It's saying that it's either a bad NTFS or not NTFS at all. |
| 20:15.07 | jhutchins_lt | Er, why am I telling you? |
| 20:15.20 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: yes, I'm happy with that, I want fdisk -l << lower case |
| 20:15.20 | jhutchins_lt | sje46: It's saying that it's either a bad NTFS or not NTFS at all. |
| 20:15.37 | ompaul | I think the answer lies close to there but not there |
| 20:15.46 | sje46 | how do I check filesystem type? |
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| 20:16.05 | ompaul | sje46: I just gave you the command |
| 20:16.09 | ompaul | fdisk -l |
| 20:16.20 | karlpinc_ | sje46: I would have expected 'file' to know, but I never tried with ntfs. |
| 20:16.21 | stew | ompaul: that is partition type, not filesystem type |
| 20:16.22 | sje46 | ompaul: fpaul isn't even in teh repositories |
| 20:16.26 | twobitsprite | fdisk -l only shows partition type |
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| 20:16.31 | sje46 | fdisk* |
| 20:16.33 | ompaul | and can I have it |
| 20:16.54 | stew | sje46: does /dev/sda4p1 exist? |
| 20:16.56 | ompaul | sje46: are you saying fdisk is not in the repos |
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| 20:17.07 | sje46 | ompaul: yes, that's what I'm saying |
| 20:17.21 | ompaul | walks away from this one |
| 20:17.23 | sje46 | stew: no |
| 20:17.47 | sje46 | I *can* munt the filesystem, using nautilus. |
| 20:17.52 | sje46 | So it definiely is mountable. |
| 20:18.05 | stew | because it looks like /dev/sda4 is further partitioned from the output of file -s |
| 20:18.44 | karlpinc_ | sje46: You can probaby mount it with "mount -t auto" as jhutchins_lt suggested above. (It would make sense for sda4 to be an extended partition....) |
| 20:18.59 | stew | oh, right, extended |
| 20:19.08 | ompaul | stew: why do you think I said -l |
| 20:19.22 | ompaul | head desks and goes off to do something less destructive |
| 20:19.27 | stew | ompaul: i thought you were asking for that as a way of determining filesystem types, which it cannot do |
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| 20:19.33 | sje46 | karlpinc_: I did it before, but I got an error. But now there's no output |
| 20:19.47 | karlpinc_ | sje46: What does "mount" say? is it mounted? |
| 20:20.15 | sje46 | no. |
| 20:20.22 | sje46 | I didn't use the argument /dev/sda4 |
| 20:20.32 | sje46 | I ust wrote "mount -t auto" |
| 20:20.50 | sje46 | if I use the argument, it doesnt work. usage error |
| 20:20.56 | jhutchins_lt | sje46: That won't do anything. |
| 20:21.42 | karlpinc_ | sje46: We should really see what partitions exist, as ompaul suggested. Don't you have fdisk installed? |
| 20:22.17 | sje46 | *Again*, I don't have fdisk installed. It's not even in teh repos |
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| 20:22.50 | bps | gnu-fdisk |
| 20:22.58 | sje46 | it says util-inux replaces it, but I already haveit |
| 20:23.34 | sje46 | installed, bps |
| 20:23.49 | karlpinc_ | sje46: Are you root? It's not in the regular user's $PATH. |
| 20:23.50 | jhutchins_lt | cfdisk will also work. |
| 20:23.55 | bps | /sbin/fdisk |
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| 20:24.35 | sje46 | /dev/sda4 30420 37071 53424157 5 Extended |
| 20:24.35 | sje46 | Warning: Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 20:25.01 | sje46 | crap |
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| 20:25.07 | karlpinc_ | sje46: Right. sda4 is an extended partition, which means it contains more partitions. You're using the wrong device. |
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| 20:25.47 | jhutchins_lt | m.d.o is down again. |
| 20:26.06 | sje46 | karlpinc_: How do I find the correct /dev/ to use? |
| 20:26.26 | jhutchins_lt | sje46: fdisk -l |
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| 20:26.53 | twobitsprite | sje46: put the output of fdisk -l in a pastebin |
| 20:26.55 | karlpinc_ | sje46: Run "file -s /dev/sdaN" for the Ns that exist and it should say what the filesystem type is. |
| 20:26.59 | jhutchins_lt | sje46: You could pastebin the whole output if you want us to figure it out for you. |
| 20:27.04 | sje46 | http://pastebin.com/EZ2NqspR |
| 20:27.42 | jhutchins_lt | sje46: Can't you see that partitions 1,2, and 3 are ntfs? |
| 20:28.13 | sje46 | http://pastebin.com/f2g49ux7 |
| 20:28.18 | infinity0 | what the fucking fuck |
| 20:28.27 | infinity0 | debian installer didn't install xserver-xorg-input-kbd |
| 20:28.28 | infinity0 | :| |
| 20:28.37 | sje46 | jhutchins_lt: I did, which made me wonder whether I got the wrong sda in the first place. |
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| 20:28.48 | sje46 | Is it that sda1 is nested within sda4? |
| 20:29.06 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! it's m.d.n, not m.d.o. |
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| 20:29.27 | twobitsprite | infinity0: squeeze? |
| 20:29.28 | jhutchins_lt | sje46: No, 5,6,and7 |
| 20:29.39 | infinity0 | wheezy |
| 20:29.49 | sje46 | jhutchins_lt: ...what |
| 20:29.50 | infinity0 | but weird, it's not installed over here either yet my keyboard works |
| 20:29.55 | sje46 | Why would it be those? |
| 20:29.59 | twobitsprite | infinity0: you're using a snapshot installer cd? |
| 20:30.04 | infinity0 | yes |
| 20:30.12 | infinity0 | and i had to hack it a bit to install it from usb |
| 20:30.29 | jhutchins_lt | sje46: That's how extended partitions work. |
| 20:30.51 | karlpinc_ | sje46: sda1, sda2, and sda3 are all looking like ntfs (although file does not seem to do more than report about the partition -- hard to say). |
| 20:30.52 | twobitsprite | infinity0: I usually install stable and then upgrade to testing... seems more reliable |
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| 20:30.54 | sje46 | I think it was supposed to be sda2 all along |
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| 20:31.09 | infinity0 | twobitsprite: ah maybe i'll try that, thanks |
| 20:31.11 | twobitsprite | infinity0: the repo could have changed after the snapshot was built |
| 20:31.13 | jhutchins_lt | sje46: Look at the cylinder numbers. |
| 20:31.14 | sx9 | Hi |
| 20:31.28 | infinity0 | twobitsprite: why does that make a difference? |
| 20:31.39 | sje46 | jhutchins_lt: I ont understand |
| 20:31.41 | infinity0 | also i already did aptitude update / full-upgrade |
| 20:31.41 | sx9 | Is there a german debian channel? |
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| 20:31.44 | karlpinc_ | sje46: Welcome to the world of sucky WinTel hardware. |
| 20:31.45 | sje46 | let me restart |
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| 20:31.58 | karlpinc_ | %tell sx9 about de |
| 20:32.32 | jhutchins_lt | sje46: look at the cylinder numbers in the output of fdisk -l |
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| 20:32.43 | twobitsprite | infinity0: /msg dpkg install testing |
| 20:32.49 | sx9 | Thanks |
| 20:32.53 | twobitsprite | infinity0: er... /msg dselect install testing |
| 20:33.03 | twobitsprite | infinity0: and also check out /msg dselect install today |
| 20:33.06 | WormFood | does anyone else seem to have a lot of theme problems when updating? I just updated about 6 or 7 sites, and 2 of them have theme problems after updating. (all on drupal 7). Rather frustrating. |
| 20:33.15 | WormFood | d'oh, sorry, wrong channel |
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| 20:33.24 | twobitsprite | %abuse WormFood |
| 20:33.24 | dselect | WormFood: Your type *really* makes me puke! |
| 20:33.30 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 20:33.31 | infinity0 | twobitsprite: ahh thanks |
| 20:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | The reason for upgrading rather than testing the installer is that work on the istaller may fall out of sync with new structures, defaults, or packages. |
| 20:33.46 | WormFood | :P |
| 20:33.50 | infinity0 | well there are "no issues" lol |
| 20:34.11 | jhutchins_lt | The reason for using the images with the installer is to test the installer. |
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| 20:35.12 | infinity0 | twobitsprite: but those problems all look like installer problems... my installation completed fine, it's just the x server not working |
| 20:35.30 | twobitsprite | infinity0: then obviously it didn't install fine! :P |
| 20:36.02 | wols_ | twobitsprite: it did. but this X problem has been in testing for a few days now |
| 20:36.08 | infinity0 | yeah, another ext hdd with wheezy on works fine |
| 20:36.16 | infinity0 | but still, it would be nice to know the cause of the problem |
| 20:36.19 | twobitsprite | wols_: oh... |
| 20:36.31 | wols_ | only thing he can do is check BTS and see if there is a workaround, get out the compiler himself, run stable or simply wait |
| 20:36.49 | sje46 | I got it solved guys. Thanks! |
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| 20:37.15 | twobitsprite | wols_: got a bug number? I'm running a safe-upgrade on wheezy right now myself, wondering if my system is going to break |
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| 20:40.38 | EvilDin | hi, how can i create md raid device if i only have one disc in system and I don't know configuration (I have new installed Debian), I just know that was mirror before with one other disk, how can i start that array |
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| 20:41.04 | Justin | EvilDin: raid 1? |
| 20:41.32 | EvilDin | yes |
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| 20:42.09 | Justin | then you don't really need to start anything |
| 20:42.16 | zappal | EvilDin: cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 20:43.27 | Corwin7 | Anyone know of a good script to split a huge directory of 1000's of files into 4.7GB groups for burning to data DVD's |
| 20:43.46 | EvilDin | zappal: it show me only active arrays, i have md0 (sda1, sdb1), md1(sda2, sdb2), md2(sda3, sdb3), now i have inserted old disk sdc and i need to mount somehow |
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| 20:44.29 | zappal | EvilDin: could you paste the output of cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 20:44.39 | LoneTech | Corwin7: try gaffitter? |
| 20:45.02 | LoneTech | the knapsack problem gets a bit complex as your number of pieces grows |
| 20:45.24 | EvilDin | http://pastebin.com/LgLCzJkk |
| 20:45.44 | Corwin7 | LoneTech: Looks exactly like what I'm looking for. Thank you! |
| 20:46.35 | zappal | EvilDin: you are rebuilding the md2 now |
| 20:46.36 | Miesco | How do I get adobe air? |
| 20:46.45 | infinity0 | twobitsprite: alright i'm gonna try aptitude reinstall ~i, if that doesn't fix the "out of sync with repo" thing you mentioned then i'll go try reinstalling from stable disc |
| 20:46.49 | infinity0 | laters |
| 20:46.55 | EvilDin | it is completly new installation |
| 20:46.56 | zappal | and md1 is delayed |
| 20:47.10 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: You download it from Adobe. |
| 20:47.19 | Justin | EvilDin: you don't need to do anything for a raid1 array if you dont have the other disk. you can just mount the partitions |
| 20:47.20 | EvilDin | i am interested in how to mount sdc partitions |
| 20:47.29 | Justin | EvilDin: you mount them |
| 20:47.32 | Miesco | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
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| 20:48.09 | EvilDin | mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/stari |
| 20:48.11 | EvilDin | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 20:48.12 | Miesco | jhutchins_lt: It says to select a version to download (http://get.adobe.com/air/) and it says .bin, .deb, how do I know if thats a ubuntu deb or a debian deb? |
| 20:48.16 | zappal | EvilDin: do a mount point eg /mnt/sdc and then mount -t ext4 /dev/sdc /mnt/sdc |
| 20:48.21 | Justin | EvilDin: fdisk -l /dev/sdc |
| 20:48.39 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: You hope that Adobe made it work for both. |
| 20:48.48 | zappal | EvilDin: -t is the switch for the filesystem |
| 20:48.56 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: It probably won't install if it's Ubuntu only. |
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| 20:49.05 | EvilDin | fdisk -l /dev/sdc does not return anything |
| 20:49.57 | zappal | paste the ouput of fdisk -l |
| 20:50.10 | jhutchins_lt | EvilDin: Must be run as root. |
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| 20:53.59 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/122358/ |
| 20:54.07 | Miesco | Does that look like a debian or a ubuntu deb |
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| 20:55.09 | EvilDin | http://pastebin.com/fpiY0sHX |
| 20:55.47 | EvilDin | how can i mount this partition |
| 20:56.06 | zappal | EvilDin: you have do switch from raid to 83 |
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| 20:56.21 | EvilDin | can this break anything ? |
| 20:56.25 | zappal | and for swap to 82 |
| 20:56.31 | rockenrola | is there a way for the root user to login with public keys but not normal users? |
| 20:56.40 | zappal | what filesystem ar you using on the sdc? |
| 20:56.59 | Justin | file -s /dev/sdc{1,2,3} should say |
| 20:57.01 | EvilDin | i don't have idea, probaby default |
| 20:57.20 | zappal | EvilDin: then you will be able to mount the disk |
| 20:57.50 | EvilDin | http://pastebin.com/wAgsHZ94 |
| 20:58.18 | zappal | EvilDin: ok, now do |
| 20:58.30 | Justin | he shouldn't need to change the type, mount -t should wrk |
| 20:58.32 | zappal | fdisk /dev/sdc |
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| 20:58.59 | zappal | then option t |
| 20:59.03 | zappal | then 83 |
| 20:59.22 | Corwin7 | FYI file isn't smart enough to know about ZFS yet, on a ZFS partition it just responds with "data" |
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| 20:59.34 | zappal | for sdc2 and sdc3 and for sdc1 82 |
| 20:59.39 | zappal | then w |
| 21:00.03 | zappal | then mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc2 /mnt/sdc2 |
| 21:00.09 | EvilDin | mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc2 /mnt/stari this works |
| 21:00.15 | zappal | and mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc3 /mnt/sdc3 |
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| 21:01.39 | zappal | EvilDin: you will use the sdc for raid in the future? |
| 21:01.50 | EvilDin | no this go out from server |
| 21:01.56 | EvilDin | it is just backup of server |
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| 21:03.04 | zappal | ok, then you can switch the linux raid ... like i said with the fdisk and option t 83 for linux partitions ans 82 for swap partitions |
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| 21:03.21 | EvilDin | ok |
| 21:03.23 | EvilDin | thanks |
| 21:03.33 | dnano91 | someone with ati and fglrx here? |
| 21:04.01 | Iridos | probably only 400 out of 1100 people |
| 21:04.49 | twobitsprite | !ask |
| 21:04.51 | twobitsprite | %ask |
| 21:04.51 | dselect | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:04.59 | dnano91 | i'm writing-.- |
| 21:05.08 | Iridos | I more thought of... |
| 21:05.10 | Iridos | %polls |
| 21:05.10 | dselect | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 21:05.31 | twobitsprite | lol, haven't seen that one |
| 21:05.36 | wols_ | Iridos: %anyone |
| 21:05.55 | Iridos | wols_, so much to choose from :) |
| 21:06.05 | Iridos | but I like the militant badgers, whoever they are |
| 21:06.30 | dnano91 | i can't use fglrx on my notebook. when i install it and reboot the screen is black and i just see the coursor. also can't change to console with ctrl+alt+f1... and when i try to install fglrx-glx synaptic/aptitude wants to remove a lot of programs |
| 21:07.08 | twobitsprite | dnano91: wheezy? |
| 21:07.16 | dnano91 | yes |
| 21:07.28 | dnano91 | and .39-2 |
| 21:07.38 | twobitsprite | dnano91: installing from snapshot cd? |
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| 21:07.55 | dnano91 | ?? Oo |
| 21:08.31 | twobitsprite | dnano91: ohh, nevermind... I read "when i install it" and thought you mean the whole system from cd :P |
| 21:08.45 | dnano91 | twobitsprite: ^^ |
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| 21:09.53 | dnano91 | so what can i do about it? i think i need fglrx-glx but then mesa-glx has to be removed and all the programs need it... fglrx-driver doesn't work |
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| 21:10.23 | twobitsprite | dnano91: which fglrx package did you install that broke this? |
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| 21:11.08 | dnano91 | twobitsprite: i tried fglrx-driver... |
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| 21:12.23 | dnano91 | then i got the black screen with coursor... |
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| 21:12.36 | zykotick9 | "mplayer -vo xv" is failing with 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64, but works with linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64. I assume it's related to my nouveau driver. Get output "[VO_XV] It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available." Any suggestions? New kernel seems to resolve a slow keyboard input issue that recently started on my box with linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64. |
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| 21:12.59 | dnano91 | and fglrx-glx is impossible to install because it breaks mesa-glx |
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| 21:14.18 | dnano91 | noone has an idea??? |
| 21:15.35 | Miesco | Yea a game needs adobe air to run. Is it worth getting the game? |
| 21:16.14 | Jemt | What game ? |
| 21:16.19 | karlpinc_ | zykotick9: You could see about recompiling the debian packages rather than using dmm. See: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for hints. |
| 21:16.24 | cafuego | Why do you hate freedom? |
| 21:16.24 | Miesco | Jemt: Dofus |
| 21:16.37 | Miesco | http://www.dofus.com/en/mmorpg/events/vulkania |
| 21:17.15 | twobitsprite | dnano91: be patient, not all of us can devote 100% of our attention to IRC... |
| 21:17.33 | dnano91 | hmm... |
| 21:17.34 | Jemt | Looks pretty good, might check it out. However, I play some of the many other MMORPGs available on Game Drift Linux at the moment |
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| 21:17.46 | Jemt | Miesco: But thank you for the link :) |
| 21:17.47 | twobitsprite | dnano91: does this look like your problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632130 |
| 21:17.50 | Miesco | np |
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| 21:18.32 | _KaszpiR_ | anyone knows how to skip specila chars in text file/ |
| 21:18.33 | zykotick9 | karlpinc_, i did consult that link earlier when i suggested DMM to someone else, thanks. And you're obviously correct, I am using mplayer-nogui from dmm. |
| 21:18.45 | _KaszpiR_ | or utf8 to iso |
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| 21:19.32 | karlpinc_ | zykotick9: I believe it was abrotman who suggested the recompile solution. If you ever see him here you could ask the channel and see if he responds. |
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| 21:20.24 | zykotick9 | karlpinc_, oh, just assumed it must have been you - same link/directions ;) Thanks though. |
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| 21:20.35 | _KaszpiR_ | or to skip non-rpinting chars |
| 21:20.59 | karlpinc_ | zykotick9: I wrote the page because I wanted to document everything I wish someone had told me that I couldn't find documented. |
| 21:21.34 | karlpinc_ | _KaszpiR_: Use 'tr'? |
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| 21:24.00 | dnano91 | twobitsprite: the topic sounds like my problem, but there is no description. and there are no logs... i really think that fglrx-glx is the package that is missing |
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| 21:24.55 | dnano91 | * there are no logs on my computer |
| 21:24.55 | twobitsprite | dnano91: there are plenty of logs in there, also scroll down to the next post, you might find some hints there |
| 21:24.58 | twobitsprite | ohh |
| 21:25.01 | twobitsprite | hmm |
| 21:25.16 | twobitsprite | well, check out the next post see if you can gleen an idea from that |
| 21:25.45 | dnano91 | is dmesg only safed for one session? |
| 21:27.17 | dnano91 | why does fglrx-glx break mesa-glx and nearly all my programms?? |
| 21:27.41 | wols_ | dnano91: cause you foolishly insist on running testing without being able to fix your stuff |
| 21:30.24 | dnano91 | libgl1-mesa-glx is the package that breaks fglrx-glx |
| 21:30.58 | wols_ | dnano91: what videocard do you have? |
| 21:31.44 | dnano91 | wols_: ati mobility radeon hd 34xx |
| 21:31.55 | wols_ | then use the radeon driver |
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| 21:32.52 | dnano91 | radeon is to slow |
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| 21:36.53 | Dulcin | Hi, I'm very new to debian/git. If I want to clone a git repository to a debian server, I need a public key, I have ssh installed, but do I also have to install the openssh-client on the server? |
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| 21:40.14 | Iridos | dnano91, note topic... (the bit about wheezy and #debian-next on oftc) |
| 21:41.40 | jhutchins_lt | dnano91: Just out of curiosity, what do you do that the radeon driver is too slow for? |
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| 21:42.05 | Iridos | dnano91, also... if you can't switch to consoles I wonder if you're somehow using the framebuffer ... well, or nothing is reading the keyboard because... the server crashed in some weird way |
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| 21:42.13 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
| 21:42.28 | dnano91 | jhutchins_lt: some games... but the real problem is i can't connect to projectors |
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| 21:42.53 | _pepo_ | Is there any version of Debian for Power7? |
| 21:43.00 | pen16 | What command can I type to reinstall Gnome and all of its dependencies? |
| 21:43.42 | dnano91 | Iridos: the keyboard is still working. when i press ctrl+alt+f1 all the time i can see the text but only for less than a second |
| 21:44.16 | dnano91 | i just can't install fglrx-glx... |
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| 21:44.52 | nkuttler | %help |
| 21:45.31 | nkuttler | pen16: why do you want to do that? |
| 21:46.23 | pen16 | nkuttler: cause it was broken |
| 21:46.36 | pen16 | *.desktop files got deleted |
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| 21:47.24 | nkuttler | pen16: user or system files? |
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| 21:47.49 | _pepo_ | Is there any version of Debian for Power7 processor? |
| 21:47.56 | pen16 | these files |
| 21:47.57 | pen16 | http://pastebin.com/Lfz2g9SX |
| 21:48.15 | pen16 | it includes configuration stuff for various Gnome things |
| 21:48.16 | nkuttler | %tell pen16 about remove gnome |
| 21:48.19 | nkuttler | %tell pen16 about install gnome |
| 21:48.24 | nkuttler | pen16: purge + reinstall |
| 21:49.38 | jhutchins_lt | _pepo_: I can't find any evidence of support for the power series outside of IBM's partners RH & Novell. |
| 21:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | %missconf |
| 21:50.13 | jhutchins_lt | %missingconf |
| 21:50.56 | jhutchins_lt | %confmiss |
| 21:50.56 | dselect | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 21:52.23 | lancelot_of | hi all |
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| 21:53.32 | lancelot_of | i'm installing debian squeeze on my new thinkpad x220 laptop. i need drivers for Intel 82579LF ethernet card, not listed in debian installation cd. any help? |
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| 21:55.12 | dnano91 | gn8 |
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| 21:59.23 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: Any idea what it's pciid is? |
| 21:59.54 | ggtyrtf | PCI devices: ID's of vendors =) |
| 22:00.02 | ggtyrtf | !google |
| 22:00.05 | ggtyrtf | ;) |
| 22:01.06 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, no what should i do?what are you asking for? |
| 22:01.34 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: Do you have a partial install? |
| 22:01.43 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, Intel 82579LF Gigabit Network Connection (Lewisville), PHY, PCIe x1 |
| 22:01.55 | jhutchins_lt | lspci -nn for the eight-digit ID |
| 22:02.33 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, i'm on the debian graphical installer, it says it cannot recognize any ethernet card |
| 22:02.49 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: Might need firmware. |
| 22:04.12 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, how to?should i complete the installation and then fix ethernet card? |
| 22:04.26 | jhutchins_lt | %firmware |
| 22:04.27 | dselect | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 22:04.48 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: /msg dselect installer firmware |
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| 22:06.01 | kingsley | My understanding is that "aptitude ~c" lists packages with a status of "Conf-files". Where is "~c" documented? |
| 22:07.04 | kingsley | Likewise, my understanding is that "aptitude ~o" can be useful. Where's "~o" documented? |
| 22:07.17 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, i've drivers and firmware on a disk partition. can i say debian installer to get them from there? |
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| 22:10.46 | SirAhzz | Is there a faq or post or somethign as to why the NVIDIA xorg driver is MIA in testing? |
| 22:11.10 | SirAhzz | Kind of disconcerting to have my video driver disapear spontaneously. |
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| 22:13.02 | jhutchins_lt | SirAhzz: Kind of how testing is known to work. |
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| 22:13.23 | SirAhzz | I'm aware of this but in the past packages haven't just disapeared completely. usually they're just broken. :) |
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| 22:13.29 | MrFrood | SirAhzz: #debian-next on oftc for dedicated testing/unstable support |
| 22:13.38 | SirAhzz | k just saw that in topic btw. ;-P |
| 22:13.42 | jhutchins_lt | SirAhzz: It happens all the time. |
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| 22:14.06 | SirAhzz | interesting #debian-next requires invite |
| 22:14.06 | Lutorius | question, im trying to build a pkg for my ati driver and wh en I run the command I get the following error |
| 22:14.10 | Lutorius | Generating package: Debian/lenny |
| 22:14.10 | Lutorius | ./packages/Debian/ati-packager.sh: 177: dpkg-architecture: not found |
| 22:14.10 | Lutorius | Error: unsupported architecture: |
| 22:14.10 | Lutorius | Removing temporary directory: fglrx-install.hYg92o |
| 22:14.11 | Lutorius | root@tesla:/home/mark/Downloads# |
| 22:14.16 | Lutorius | any advice? |
| 22:14.26 | jhutchins_lt | SirAhzz: Pay 'tention: oftc.net |
| 22:14.27 | MrFrood | if testing is useing 2.6.39 I don't think the nivida ddrivers support it yet |
| 22:14.45 | SirAhzz | doh. missed oftc |
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| 22:14.48 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 22:14.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc5-686-pae (3.0.0~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 22:17.09 | MrFrood | 96.43-xx does not support .39 yet - not sure about newer drivers |
| 22:17.32 | Lutorius | MrFrood: is that in reference to my question |
| 22:17.54 | MrFrood | Lutorius: SirAhzz Q |
| 22:18.04 | Lutorius | oh ok |
| 22:18.18 | SirAhzz | ? |
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| 22:18.29 | Lutorius | MrFrood: any idea why I keep getting the unsupported architeacture error when tyring to build the debian package? |
| 22:18.38 | Lutorius | the driver is suppose to support x86 and 64 |
| 22:18.46 | MrFrood | nope |
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| 22:20.23 | frikinz | I have dnsmasq installed on my machine (I use it to inspect traffic of one machine). I'm interested to have the caching feature on my machine too. Is this possible? to have the machine on which dnsmasq is install use dnsmasq? |
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| 22:21.45 | jhutchins_lt | %ati |
| 22:21.46 | dselect | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:22.01 | frikinz | like dnsmasq -S 8.8.8.8 -R ? |
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| 22:31.18 | frikinz | ok yes it works |
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| 22:32.32 | frikinz | I'm on a crap dsl and dnsmasq is much more efficient than the normal resolver even for entries not cached. humm I wonder why |
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| 22:32.53 | thewanderer1 | hi. I've made a cgroup and set its memory.swappiness to 100. what should I do for it to start swapping? currently, it has 16MB of RAM limit and 32MB of ram+swap limit (memsw), and it is not swapping no matter what I do. I only have SSH and bash running. |
| 22:33.44 | kingsley | aptitude ~c and ~o are documented at http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 22:35.09 | frikinz | answer.. ipv6 AAAA not understood by this router |
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| 22:46.07 | thewanderer1 | okay, now I've managed to activate swap by malloc()ing lots of stuff... but the system is still behaving as if swappiness was very low, when in fact it's set to 100... any clues? |
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| 23:09.08 | Sh4ring4n | !help |
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| 23:09.18 | Sh4ring4n | damn |
| 23:09.21 | Sh4ring4n | dpkg isn't here |
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| 23:10.02 | jhutchins_lt | He only comes here for the bot? |
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| 23:13.08 | zykotick9 | why would screen rotating work with nouveau on linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 but not on linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64? |
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| 23:14.23 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, he's only in it for the bot... |
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| 23:15.05 | jhutchins_lt | zykotick9: There are lots of questions about 38 & 39. |
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| 23:16.20 | zykotick9 | jhutchins, it seems to be causing me some issues (mplayer -vo xv.. not working & no screen rotation) BUT it solves the slow keyboard issue. |
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| 23:17.08 | Iridos | zykotick9, oh... you must be using framebuffer then? Else I don't see what the kernel should have to do with it |
| 23:17.19 | Iridos | I guess you can just do without fb? |
| 23:17.28 | zykotick9 | Iridos, fb, no - in X |
| 23:17.40 | Iridos | ? |
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| 23:18.55 | zykotick9 | Iridos, if i reboot into the linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel, -vo xv works fine - in linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 it doesn't. HOWEVER, I'm using the dmm version of mplayer-nogui (earlier that was suggested to me as the possible issue) |
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| 23:19.34 | Iridos | what I'm wondering is... why would the kernel matter at all? |
| 23:19.50 | zykotick9 | Iridos, i have NO idea ;) |
| 23:19.51 | Iridos | there's a kernel module for some drivers... |
| 23:20.05 | zykotick9 | Iridos, i guess it's nouveau related actually |
| 23:20.06 | Iridos | and there is the framebuffer stuff which leaves the hardware interaction to the kernel |
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| 23:21.12 | zykotick9 | both issues XV/RandR i'm guessing are nouveau related? I don't really have any prof for that suspicion however. |
| 23:21.23 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: kms |
| 23:21.37 | jhutchins_lt | %kms |
| 23:21.38 | dselect | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 23:21.38 | Iridos | dselect, kms |
| 23:21.41 | Iridos | hah |
| 23:22.05 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, that's what I actually meant... just couldn't come up with the correct term |
| 23:22.06 | jhutchins_lt | It does seem to be what supports framebuffer now as well. |
| 23:22.18 | Iridos | yeah... haven't read so much on it yet |
| 23:22.31 | jhutchins_lt | Some cards have required kernel level support for a while anyway. |
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| 23:23.33 | Iridos | there's _always_ been an nvidia kernel module for the proprietary driver as far as I can remember back (and ever used nvidia) |
| 23:23.58 | Bop | anyone with vmware player and in testing tree , working ? |
| 23:27.17 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: See topic. |
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| 23:27.55 | Bop | irc.oftc.net is another network ? |
| 23:28.03 | stew | Bop: yes |
| 23:28.12 | Bop | damn |
| 23:28.30 | Bop | ok thanks |
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| 23:38.27 | jhutchins_lt | Bop: Well, it IS another network. |
| 23:38.39 | Bop | jhutchins_lt, ok , im on it , thanks |
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| 23:41.11 | ljones | Is there anything that might slow down a php page calling a mysql server on debian. I'm seeing some really weird time differences from what my stored proc does versus how long it takes the php to run on my debian machine |
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| 23:41.38 | CruX| | hello all i have debian6 on amd64 |
| 23:41.53 | CruX| | my kde are not updated when http://qt-kde.debian.net/ repository is added |
| 23:42.07 | CruX| | any1 have the same error ? |
| 23:43.07 | themill | CruX|: that repository is not designed to work with squeeze. |
| 23:43.08 | nkuttler | CruX|: that's probably because the packages are experimental and you don't know how to install them |
| 23:43.14 | nkuttler | and that |
| 23:43.28 | CruX| | damn |
| 23:43.57 | CruX| | ok if I need the latest kde without compilation -> is there any kde repos for 6.0 ? |
| 23:44.14 | themill | kde is already in squeeze |
| 23:44.22 | CruX| | yes but old |
| 23:44.43 | themill | %tell CruX| about stable |
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| 23:47.16 | CruX| | that means i must stay on kde version which is currently in 6.0. New kde wil be in new version-> and this can take long time, right ? |
| 23:49.22 | streuner | http://wiki.debian.org/KDE and #debian-kde 58 KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.6.4 uploaded to unstable. There won't be more until 4.6.5. || http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ || squeeze (stable) - 4.4.5 forever; wheezy (testing) - 4.6.3; sid (unstable) - 4.6.3/4.6.4 || FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/KDE || don't ask to ask |
| 23:49.29 | streuner | show nothing about 6.0 |
| 23:50.03 | streuner | CruX|: but feel free to ask in #debian-kde (OFTC) :-) |
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| 23:50.43 | CruX| | tk thx for help |
| 23:51.19 | themill | streuner: did you miss the bit where squeeze was released as "6.0"? |
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| 23:51.51 | streuner | themill: hm, which bit do you mean? |
| 23:52.01 | streuner | oh |
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| 23:55.20 | streuner | CruX|: sorry, i misreaded it then, but http://wiki.debian.org/KDE should tell you about |
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