| 00:02.03 | streuner | themill: is there a certain reason why you just not recommend testing in this case? |
| 00:02.29 | streuner | June 09, 2011 |
| 00:02.29 | streuner | KDE SC 4.6.3 release just migrated to testing. |
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| 00:02.44 | streuner | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:03.06 | themill | streuner: a user who is trying to mix "experimental-snapshots" with stable and missed all the information what those packages are for is not going to have a fun time with testing. |
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| 00:04.03 | streuner | themill: :-) |
| 00:06.57 | streuner | CruX|: well, just dont mix different branch of Debian, just use one of it, if you really need a newer version, use simple sid backports (/msg dselect ssb) |
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| 00:08.16 | streuner | CruX|: but keep in mind, such huge packages like KDE are almost impossible to backport for a normal user... |
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| 00:14.15 | Terminal_ | Ubuntu has tried to update, using all my free hard drive space and causing problems as a result - anyone know how to delete temp files? |
| 00:15.00 | tharkun | rm |
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| 00:16.28 | tharkun | streuner: What type of bug should i file when i follow ssb from a package on squeeze instead of sid? Package in question is cups |
| 00:16.45 | Terminal_ | "After this operation, 2,060kB disk space will be freed. |
| 00:16.45 | Terminal_ | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y" |
| 00:16.48 | Terminal_ | "Processing triggers for man-db ... |
| 00:17.01 | hwq001 | terminal:sudo apt-get autoclean |
| 00:17.11 | streuner | tharkun: just pray |
| 00:17.13 | Terminal_ | thanks |
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| 00:17.34 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:17.38 | Terminal_ | what i was trying to post there was that even after removing a program it says the diskss full |
| 00:17.39 | streuner | tharkun: almost nobody has an idea of cups |
| 00:18.03 | Terminal_ | ./usr/bin/mandb: can't write to /var/cache/man/22172: No space left on device |
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| 00:20.50 | tharkun | streuner: the disapointment is not larger than the pain cups has inflicted since updating to squeeze. ttf-freefont has proben to overwrite the local design fonts and there seems no way it can be downgraded to a mere suggestion as it was on lenny |
| 00:21.50 | streuner | tharkun: in my experiences you hardly find any help for cups |
| 00:21.55 | themill | tharkun: didn't I suggest "equivs" to you the other day? |
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| 00:22.21 | streuner | hm |
| 00:22.23 | tharkun | themill: yes you did but it didn't work as expected. |
| 00:22.39 | tharkun | I'll retry it this weekend that i have some spare time |
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| 00:22.49 | themill | tharkun: well that allows you to remove ttf-freefont; if that doesn't solve your problem, then that package is not your problem ;) |
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| 00:23.27 | streuner | if its only a package problem, you are lucky |
| 00:23.28 | tharkun | themill: ok, didn't though of it that way |
| 00:24.03 | peterrooney | Terminal_: try apt-get clean |
| 00:24.07 | tharkun | streuner: I am unsure i blamed ttf-freefont it might as well be one of the other 465 packages that were downloaded |
| 00:26.03 | Terminal_ | peterrooney: Thanks, but it still says the hard drive is full - While I've removed enough stuff that it shouldnt |
| 00:26.26 | themill | tharkun: you may also wish to look in /usr/share/cups/charsets/ |
| 00:27.05 | peterrooney | Terminal_: knowing your partition layouts/mount points could help |
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| 00:27.43 | themill | %dbugs 556950 |
| 00:27.45 | dselect | #556950:I[cups] cups: CUPS 1.4.1: printing plain text via lpr gets "Unterminated string" and deformed fonts (); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:21:01 UTC [] |
| 00:28.22 | streuner | great, talking about a bug in 2009 |
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| 00:29.43 | Terminal_ | 2 hard drives, /dev/sda1 ntfs mount point: /media/Toad , also small linux swap, other harddrive 228gb ntfs /dev/sdb1 mounted on /media/Frog with the linux partition /dev/sdb2 as root |
| 00:30.13 | Terminal_ | Ubuntu gets about 5gb the rest is the ntfs partition |
| 00:30.53 | peterrooney | dselect: tell Terminal_ about based on debian |
| 00:31.38 | Terminal_ | True ubuntu is terrible in comparison to debian |
| 00:31.41 | peterrooney | Terminal: df -h /[^m]* should tell you what is taking the most space. |
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| 00:33.19 | Terminal_ | It says theres 0.2gb free on the /dev/sdb2 filesystem which I'm running on, yet everything I Run says theres no space |
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| 00:33.35 | Terminal_ | other than that little thing there you told me to do |
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| 00:34.45 | peterrooney | Terminal_: it can take quite a bit of time to run. Which directory is the biggest offender? other tricks include apt-get --purge remove $(deborphan) |
| 00:35.12 | tharkun | themill: needs more researching but /usr/share/cups/charsets/ looks promising |
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| 00:35.44 | peterrooney | Terminal_: or apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` # don't let the #bash folk know I said that |
| 00:35.51 | Terminal_ | It never named any directories |
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| 00:36.20 | Terminal_ | Just /dev/sdb2 and said it had a size of 4.2G, used 4.0G and had 0 available |
| 00:36.32 | Terminal_ | And it said this a lot of times |
| 00:36.38 | peterrooney | Terminal_: du -sh /[^m]* # should name all directories at top level except for /mnt and /media |
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| 00:37.24 | Terminal_ | I clearly copied it wrong first time |
| 00:38.12 | peterrooney | Terminal_: that's been known to happen. |
| 00:38.39 | peterrooney | tries to imagine what would happen to my face if I said I'd never typed in a command incorrectly |
| 00:38.58 | Terminal_ | So I didnt have deborphan to begin with |
| 00:39.23 | Terminal_ | And, what I typed in correctly the second time got me a lot of these sorts of errors: du: cannot access `/proc/25302': No such file or directory |
| 00:40.07 | Terminal_ | Dunno what thats about but its also told me where most of the memorys going, thanks for your help! |
| 00:40.44 | peterrooney | Terminal: it's about a process that was running when du started, but not running when it got around to enumerating the /proc directory |
| 00:41.16 | peterrooney | Terminal_: what about ... ls /var/cache/apt/archive | wc |
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| 00:42.11 | Terminal_ | ls: cannot access /var/cache/apt/archive: No such file or directory |
| 00:42.11 | Terminal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.23 | Terminal_ | when ran as root or me |
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| 00:43.00 | Terminal_ | The other thing told me I have 600MB of space taken up in my users /home folder |
| 00:43.11 | Terminal_ | which is probably all the free space I had |
| 00:43.27 | nkuttler | Terminal_: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 00:44.18 | Terminal_ | 2 2 13 |
| 00:44.44 | streuner | makes not much sense |
| 00:45.25 | streuner | Terminal_: du -h /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:45.28 | Terminal_ | Theres no big files in my home folder I can see, no downloads |
| 00:45.33 | nkuttler | yeah, just use du.. ext isn't supposed to fill up the whole hd anyway |
| 00:45.42 | nkuttler | not sure if that space shows up as free space though |
| 00:46.07 | nkuttler | Terminal_: check also .dotfiles |
| 00:46.21 | streuner | that makes no sense |
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| 00:46.24 | Terminal_ | 4.0K/var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 00:46.24 | Terminal_ | 28K/var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:46.31 | streuner | see |
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| 00:47.14 | Terminal_ | I reckon there will be a lot of .dotfiles but then they're application files I think |
| 00:47.21 | Terminal_ | hang on gotta figure out how to see hidden files |
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| 00:50.11 | streuner | Terminal_: on what kind of media do you use Debian at all? |
| 00:50.53 | streuner | on a usb stick with 256 MB? |
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| 00:51.35 | Terminal_ | On a virus infected windows pc, with little free space, where ive pushed partitions about to try and fit in some linux so i can use it |
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| 00:52.18 | qwer | crunchbang debian based ?? |
| 00:52.32 | qwer | any disadvantages of it compared to debian?? |
| 00:52.35 | streuner | dselect, crunchbang |
| 00:52.35 | dselect | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 00:52.44 | nkuttler | oh he's a ubuntu user anyway.. |
| 00:53.06 | qwer | using debian on my server |
| 00:53.13 | qwer | DEBIAN is my OS |
| 00:53.50 | qwer | what are the advantages of debian compared to crunchbang in functional-level?? |
| 00:53.51 | MrFrood | qwer: it was given it's name because the people who put it together expected it to be less than raliable |
| 00:54.15 | qwer | raliable ?? |
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| 00:54.22 | qwer | reliable ?? |
| 00:54.31 | MrFrood | reliable |
| 00:54.37 | nkuttler | reliable !! |
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| 00:54.51 | qwer | :) |
| 00:55.17 | MrFrood | I never claimed to be able to spell or type :-| |
| 00:55.50 | qwer | hm..... so why the developers of crunchbang wanted to develop a version of debian which is less reliable?? |
| 00:55.58 | qwer | isn't this a disadvantage? |
| 00:56.06 | jhutchins_lt | qwer: Not topical here. |
| 00:56.13 | qwer | .. ty |
| 00:56.15 | bps | if you want #debian to tell you which os to use, then use debian |
| 00:56.15 | streuner | qwer: we support Debian here |
| 00:56.36 | qwer | and what are the advantages of debian compared to crunchbang ?? |
| 00:56.37 | qwer | :D |
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| 00:57.01 | streuner | qwer: you compare apples with strawberries, IMO |
| 00:57.08 | qwer | ^^ |
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| 00:57.39 | jhutchins_lt | qwer: If you want to discuss crunchbang please go to #crunchbang or #debian-offtopic. This channel is ONLY for debian support. |
| 00:58.13 | Terminal_ | Its kind of on topic no? He's talking about debian still |
| 00:58.20 | Terminal_ | just in relation to crunchbang |
| 00:58.27 | qwer | yes |
| 00:58.28 | streuner | qwer: if you are interested about the advantages of Debian, just /msg dselect why Debian |
| 00:58.48 | qwer | and in relation to crunchbang? |
| 00:58.56 | dontworry | is a problem with drive considered debian support? |
| 00:59.01 | streuner | no idea, i've never used it... |
| 00:59.22 | jhutchins_lt | qwer: You assume that we have sufficient knowledge of crunchbang to answer. |
| 00:59.44 | Terminal_ | so whats crunchbang like? |
| 00:59.45 | jhutchins_lt | This channel isn't really supposed to be debian discussion, just support. |
| 00:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | Terminal_: It's like off-topic here. |
| 01:00.03 | Terminal_ | I need support |
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| 01:00.13 | Terminal_ | Im just waiting for that moment to appeal again |
| 01:00.32 | Terminal_ | scroll up if interested in helping anyone |
| 01:01.02 | Terminal_ | thanks to those who have tried so far, im gonna eat a pot noodle and mull over my situation |
| 01:01.15 | jhutchins_lt | Terminal_: I don't see any actual question there. |
| 01:01.22 | skilz | how process do I have to start to use wmxmms2 and promoe? |
| 01:01.36 | skilz | what* |
| 01:01.51 | dontworry | well i was using fdisk to and i chose to "move beginning of data" on one of my partitions. i moved it forward. now the data cannot be accessed and the partition shows up as unknown... there is no option in fdisk to move it back. not really sure what to do. |
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| 01:02.11 | dontworry | is there a more advanced partition tool besides fdisk? |
| 01:02.15 | dontworry | or cfdisk? |
| 01:03.20 | streuner | well, both are just fine, in my experiences |
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| 01:04.19 | skilz | hello? |
| 01:04.22 | Terminal_ | jhutchins_lt: Debian says hard drive has space but none available, thus wont save any files |
| 01:04.29 | Terminal_ | How does one what |
| 01:04.38 | Terminal_ | I dont even understand it |
| 01:05.14 | dvs | Terminal_: usuallly 5% of the drive is saved for root. |
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| 01:06.05 | streuner | well, he saved "little" space for Linux, nobody knows how much that is yet :-) |
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| 01:07.01 | skilz | how do I run a process in the background? say for example xmms2d? |
| 01:07.16 | nkuttler | skilz: doesn't that come with an init script? |
| 01:07.26 | streuner | command & |
| 01:07.26 | lotus-blade | is there any way to change a users username? |
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| 01:08.16 | CannedCorn | hey guys |
| 01:08.25 | streuner | but "d" sounds really like a daemon as nkuttler already mentioned... |
| 01:08.34 | CannedCorn | why would my apache have stopped writing access logs |
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| 01:11.23 | streuner | skilz: what is xmms2d btw? |
| 01:12.04 | nkuttler | xmms2 is client/server |
| 01:12.18 | streuner | amset:/tmp# apt-cache show xmms2d |
| 01:12.19 | streuner | naiv: Paket xmms2d kann nicht gefunden werden |
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| 01:12.57 | naiv | that doens't sound english |
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| 01:15.14 | streuner | naiv: N: Paket xmms2d kann nicht gefunden werden made a wrong completition |
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| 01:19.38 | debiantonio | ---> http://xmms2.org/wiki/Design_of_XMMS2 |
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| 01:20.31 | streuner | skilz: are you using GNOME? |
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| 01:20.55 | streuner | wtf |
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| 01:21.08 | Bop | incoming flood ? |
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| 01:21.52 | streuner | Bop: i have no idea HOW someone is able to configure her/his irc-client to act like this... |
| 01:22.02 | daniel-s | it's all from one person |
| 01:22.04 | daniel-s | (~unknown@ks368679.kimsufi.com) |
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| 01:22.12 | streuner | sure |
| 01:22.22 | Bop | streuner, i believe its a software only for flood |
| 01:22.28 | daniel-s | maybe it's just someone's misconfigured script/bot |
| 01:22.28 | Bop | it doesnt have GUI or something |
| 01:23.00 | Bop | like, bot <number_of_clones> <server > <channel> |
| 01:23.37 | daniel-s | why do people just want to flood a channel? |
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| 01:23.57 | nkuttler | !ops join flood |
| 01:24.03 | nkuttler | %ops join flood |
| 01:24.03 | dselect | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: nkuttler complains about: join flood |
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| 01:24.26 | babilen | nkuttler: Sadly it looks as if most ops are sleeping. |
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| 01:24.41 | nkuttler | :\ |
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| 01:26.43 | streuner | babilen: at this time usually US or .au OPs are available |
| 01:27.03 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 01:27.04 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ks368679.kimsufi.com] by stew |
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| 01:27.13 | babilen | ta :) |
| 01:27.41 | streuner | or, better, some stuff people :-) |
| 01:27.50 | c0br42 | whois flooding lol? |
| 01:28.11 | streuner | you didnt miss much |
| 01:28.11 | nkuttler | stew: i think there was also ~unknown@unaffiliated/grosboulet |
| 01:28.14 | daniel-s | so, all these bots from grosbouXXt, do they join, then spam the channel with crap? |
| 01:28.28 | streuner | no, just join and quit |
| 01:28.49 | nkuttler | ah right, i hide quits |
| 01:28.53 | c0br42 | high fives whoevers flooding |
| 01:29.07 | c0br42 | :} |
| 01:29.09 | daniel-s | c0br42: why? |
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| 01:29.15 | c0br42 | daniel-s: for lulz |
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| 01:30.16 | c0br42 | :D |
| 01:30.21 | c0br42 | whistles |
| 01:30.21 | streuner | haha |
| 01:30.31 | debiantonio | kabruuummm |
| 01:30.48 | daniel-s | bye bye grosbou*t |
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| 01:31.41 | c0br42 | k so shows over? |
| 01:31.51 | Merbo | most likele |
| 01:32.04 | c0br42 | o well :( |
| 01:32.05 | daniel-s | so, why would somebody do that |
| 01:32.16 | daniel-s | it doesn't really do anything, it's just kinda annoying |
| 01:32.17 | Merbo | so doesnt the connection reset show up on gline or something instead of gline message |
| 01:32.21 | c0br42 | daniel-s: because it's funny, and it helps skiddies learn about IRC protocol |
| 01:32.32 | babilen | Please take it to #debian-offtopic or ##comment_on_floods |
| 01:32.35 | stew | if you guys want to talk about the spam please do it in ##coment-on-spam |
| 01:32.38 | streuner | daniel-s: sick people are just different :-P |
| 01:32.43 | daniel-s | lol |
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| 01:33.02 | c0br42 | streuner: i'm not any different than you >:/ |
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| 01:33.17 | stew | c0br42: lets please keep this channel on-topic |
| 01:33.22 | c0br42 | not that the flooding was me, but a year ago it would have ben |
| 01:33.24 | c0br42 | been* |
| 01:33.32 | c0br42 | stew: ya got it, kthanks |
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| 01:33.52 | c0br42 | flooding lol |
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| 01:34.36 | c0br42 | i have debian on my ipod touch |
| 01:34.39 | c0br42 | :D |
| 01:34.58 | streuner | raises his eyebrow |
| 01:35.18 | c0br42 | self mod, the only one like it in the world probably |
| 01:35.25 | c0br42 | streuner: ^ |
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| 01:35.59 | c0br42 | if you want instructions im making a website on how to do it |
| 01:38.08 | nyk2005 | I have a software raid5 of 3 disks using mdadm. Now I changed all 3 disks to larger ones, always rebuilding the array after each disk swap. So the array is still the same as before, just on new disks. How can I now grow it to the new disk size? I tried "mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=3mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=3mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=3" and got the error "mdadm: /dev/md0: Cannot reshape array without increasing size (yet).". But it |
| 01:38.09 | nyk2005 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.46 | nyk2005 | sorry for the repeat, I meant only ""mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=3"... |
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| 01:39.44 | casts | presumably you increased the partition sizes or didn't use partitions? :) |
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| 01:40.49 | dym | i would have increased partition size while swapping the disks |
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| 01:42.30 | nyk2005 | casts: how do you mean increased? all the disks of the arrays have one partitition which I added to the array |
| 01:42.51 | nyk2005 | dym: how do you mean? |
| 01:43.14 | dym | nyk2005: well, insert disk -> partition, then re-add to array |
| 01:44.31 | dym | like you would on array creation |
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| 01:44.52 | dym | you insert a disk, partition it and then add it to an mdraid |
| 01:45.12 | dym | doubt mdadm would whine if the parititonsize changed. |
| 01:45.12 | nyk2005 | dym: they were always new (and larger) disks, and I all partitioned them to have one primary partitiion of type linux auto raid, then added them to the array, and let it rebuild before swapping the next |
| 01:45.33 | dym | why linux auto raid? |
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| 01:46.30 | dym | nyk2005: were you able to select a partitionsize there |
| 01:46.31 | dym | ? |
| 01:46.42 | nyk2005 | dym: sorry, it's "Linux raid autodetect", I miss-remembered the name |
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| 01:47.02 | nyk2005 | dym: yes, I mean I used all of the disk for the partition |
| 01:47.27 | Lenin_Cat | how do I set iceweasel/firefox to be the default browser? |
| 01:47.31 | t3a | andrew@debian:~$ xrandr --output DFP3 --left-of DFP4 xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1440x1440 (desired size 2880x900) |
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| 01:47.41 | nyk2005 | dym: or should I have used just one partition of the same size as before and then add the extra space as extra partitions?? |
| 01:48.06 | nyk2005 | dym: you mean I should have created 2 partitions for each new disk? |
| 01:48.06 | dym | nyk2005: no, i would have partitioned all the disks ext3/4 and then added them to the array |
| 01:48.10 | dym | no |
| 01:48.15 | dym | dont think so |
| 01:49.03 | nyk2005 | dym: but ext3/4 are filesystems, not partition type.. |
| 01:49.04 | nyk2005 | s |
| 01:49.11 | dym | huh? |
| 01:49.22 | nyk2005 | and I don't have any filesystem on the individual disks, just on the array |
| 01:49.24 | dym | they are filesystem types? |
| 01:49.32 | dym | what does mdadm âgrow /dev/md1 âsize=max do? |
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| 01:49.58 | nyk2005 | hey, this seems like a good option to try!!! |
| 01:50.18 | dym | nyk2005: well - one guide says you shouldnt have paritioned at all. |
| 01:50.36 | dym | nyk2005: says: remove small disk, insert bigger disk, add disk to array, resync, then perform: mdadm âgrow /dev/md1 âsize=max |
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| 01:51.42 | nyk2005 | dym: *YES* *!* |
| 01:51.48 | dym | (: |
| 01:51.50 | dym | great |
| 01:52.04 | gnutron | Lenin_Cat: system - preferences - preferred applications |
| 01:52.04 | nyk2005 | dym: this was *the* option!! thanks 1000 times!! |
| 01:52.17 | nyk2005 | dym: now the array is huge!! :)))) |
| 01:52.23 | dym | you're welcome. |
| 01:52.29 | nyk2005 | dym: Array Size : 1465143808 (1397.27 GiB 1500.31 GB) |
| 01:52.37 | dym | Sounds great (: |
| 01:52.39 | heeventuli | hi everyone, i've a question (a simple one i think, but google wont help me :( => i've a ubuntu machine running and the php-installation is missing the curl-lib, so it seems the package was configured without "--with-curl". now i thought there should be a simple way to reconfigure the package via apt-get or dpgk, and i ran into dpkg-reconfigure, but somehow this wont work for me, "dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:52.39 | heeventuli | php5" executes within one second with any output...any hints for me? :) |
| 01:52.51 | Lenin_Cat | gnarface, thanks, but for future reference, Id prefer a CLI method |
| 01:53.07 | dym | heeventuli: what does phpinfo() say? |
| 01:53.12 | dym | is curl on there? |
| 01:53.16 | gnutron | Lenin_Cat: Okay :) |
| 01:53.17 | heeventuli | uh: "without any" not "with any" |
| 01:53.19 | dym | is the compile stron on there? |
| 01:53.51 | dym | string* |
| 01:53.57 | heeventuli | "$ php5 -i | grep curl" => no output |
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| 01:54.14 | dym | 03:53:06 < dym> heeventuli: what does phpinfo() say? |
| 01:54.42 | heeventuli | @dym: nothing about curl |
| 01:54.51 | dym | apt-get install curl? |
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| 01:55.30 | dym | actually its php5-curl |
| 01:55.35 | heeventuli | apt-get install curl > "curl ist schon die neueste Version." > curl is allready the newest version |
| 01:55.52 | dym | also, this is a debian channel... |
| 01:56.04 | dym | heeventuli: dann halt php5-curl |
| 01:56.34 | heeventuli | aye, seems this helped :) |
| 01:56.39 | dym | Should have. |
| 01:57.53 | dym | heeventuli: please read up on the usage of "aptitude". |
| 01:58.08 | heeventuli | i'll, thx for the help, worked fine |
| 01:58.09 | dym | you could have found that package easily with one simple search |
| 01:58.23 | dym | Just so that next time you can fix things yourself. |
| 01:58.30 | dym | you will be using aptitiude a lot |
| 01:58.36 | dym | aptitude/apt |
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| 02:02.11 | zykotick9 | Lenin_Cat, did you find the cli option? update-alternatives for x-www-browser and gnome-www-browser should set your default browser. |
| 02:02.44 | Lenin_Cat | zykotick9, ah thanks, should come in handy for future use |
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| 02:04.01 | MrFrood | zykotick9: Lenin_Cat also www-browser |
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| 02:04.21 | zykotick9 | Lenin_Cat, FYI i have run into an issue (with Gwibber) where i had to set the xdg-open values in gconf settings, there where 4 values that referred to browser there as well. |
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| 02:06.01 | zykotick9 | MrFrood, www-browser is for cli browsers, cool thanks |
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| 02:07.06 | MrFrood | zykotick9: it's for cli progs, if you only use cli in x-terminals it can be set to a gui browser |
| 02:07.24 | MrFrood | (iirc) |
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| 02:08.07 | zykotick9 | MrFrood, its showing me links2, lynx.cur and w3m as only option? But it's good to know that option exists, so thanks again. |
| 02:08.53 | MrFrood | zykotick9: you can overidde the defaults to set what you want |
| 02:09.21 | MrFrood | zykotick9: also check out galternatives |
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| 02:09.50 | zykotick9 | MrFrood, ya, i would have suggested galternatives to Lenin_Cat but they specifically ask for cli |
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| 02:10.37 | MrFrood | zykotick9: I recomened it to you not Lenin_Cat :-/ |
| 02:10.55 | zykotick9 | MrFrood, thanks |
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| 02:41.19 | dym | Is it usual to have a rented vserver delivered with missing /dev/ptmx ? |
| 02:43.27 | dym | Solved. |
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| 02:45.39 | PatrickC | does the cd image come with the full GUI |
| 02:45.48 | PatrickC | or does only the dvd image come with it |
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| 02:51.57 | zykotick9 | PatrickC, cd1 does come with Gnome environment |
| 02:52.15 | PatrickC | do I need all the cd downloads to make a full debian install? |
| 02:53.27 | zykotick9 | PatrickC, no - i'd personally recommend using netinstall, but if you don't want the hassel - cd1 is fine |
| 02:53.35 | Yukiteru | hey i need help |
| 02:53.42 | PatrickC | netinstall? |
| 02:53.46 | Yukiteru | i tried to compile a program in c |
| 02:53.47 | PatrickC | I want to run it in a vm |
| 02:53.52 | Yukiteru | but i cant |
| 02:54.14 | Yukiteru | it's fail in the compile |
| 02:54.44 | zykotick9 | PatrickC, netinstall can be used to install a "minimal" Debian, then you can install everything you need afterwards |
| 02:54.54 | PatrickC | ah |
| 02:55.00 | PatrickC | I'll look into that |
| 02:55.02 | PatrickC | thanks |
| 02:55.04 | zykotick9 | PatrickC, cd1 is probably what you want ;) |
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| 02:55.15 | Yukiteru | undefined reference to `sqrt' <<< but i have #include <math.h> in the source |
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| 03:13.44 | h7251 | hi how can I omit a certain package from future updates |
| 03:15.03 | MrFrood | %tell h7251 about hold |
| 03:16.46 | h7251 | MrFrood: just what i was looking for... thx a lot |
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| 03:29.54 | neoice | I just repurposed an old PPC (G4 eMac) with Debian, but gnash performance is pretty much garbage on youtube. anyone have any tips for improving it? I'm willing to install non-repo software if needed, although I prefer .debs |
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| 03:31.15 | zykotick9 | neoice, is HTML5 an option? http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 03:31.43 | neoice | it certainly is, but it doesn't seem to default to that. the goal is to make it sister-in-law friendly |
| 03:32.12 | neoice | I thought it would try to fall back to HTML5 automatically if you didn't have a plugin, but it didn't seem to |
| 03:32.14 | MrFrood | neoice: it's not in the squeeze rep but if you don't mind compiling minitube is pretty good for youtube |
| 03:32.34 | neoice | I'm wondering if codecs from deb-mm might help |
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| 03:32.44 | MrFrood | (not tried it on ppc though) |
| 03:33.04 | neoice | ah, html5 requires FF4 or better |
| 03:33.14 | neoice | that might explain it |
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| 03:34.03 | neoice | I figured 3.5.6 was modern enough (the version of OSX the eMac was running couldn't upgrade past FF2) |
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| 03:34.05 | MrFrood | neoice: check out http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 03:34.56 | neoice | wow, no 4.0 backport or unstable!\ |
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| 03:35.26 | MrFrood | release = 5.0 |
| 03:35.30 | stew | neoice: 4.0 is no longer suported upstream |
| 03:36.07 | neoice | MrFrood: this site is amazing, I wish I ran more Debian desktops! |
| 03:36.35 | neoice | I might add this repo + a new apt-pin to my puppet anyway |
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| 03:40.37 | aidalgol | The information on the Wine wiki regarding Debian does not seem to have been updated since etch. |
| 03:40.47 | neoice | MrFrood: does mozilla.d.n build for all archs? |
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| 03:41.31 | MrFrood | neoice: no idea |
| 03:41.48 | neoice | it's not loading new packages, so I'm guessing not. |
| 03:42.03 | MrFrood | :( |
| 03:42.20 | aidalgol | And I really don't want to install the Ubuntu package and pull in potentially Debian-incompatible packages. |
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| 03:43.15 | neoice | MrFrood: you don't happen to know where I can just browse mozilla.d.n packages? |
| 03:43.21 | MrFrood | %tell aidalgol about ssb |
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| 03:50.43 | PZt | anyway to have aptitude clean from its cache all packages that are not installed? |
| 03:50.54 | MrFrood | neoice: no but perhaps you could build from the soure package? also see http://glandium.org/ |
| 03:52.16 | aidalgol | "1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid" <-- Does this assume I already have any other deb-src lines? |
| 03:52.18 | neoice | MrFrood: I just found the repo URLs (tcpdump!) and yeah, it's only holding amd64/x86 |
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| 03:52.35 | neoice | it does have a source package |
| 03:52.46 | MrFrood | neoice: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=1991 |
| 03:53.20 | MrFrood | %tell neoice about ssb |
| 03:55.11 | MrFrood | neoice: just making sure you know about #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:57.08 | skilz | you've been 0wn3d |
| 03:57.11 | kingsley | Is there a tool which reports whether a certain package, and any packages that ultimately depend on it, are obsolete? If so, what's it called? |
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| 03:58.54 | neoice | I'll try that out MrFrood. I've been hacking on Debian pretty hard for a year, so I should be able to get this working from mozilla.d.n source. running low on disk space is all.... |
| 03:59.51 | MrFrood | good luck neoice |
| 03:59.58 | neoice | thanks for the tips :D |
| 04:00.13 | neoice | my sister-in-law will be greatful to have a modern computer again |
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| 04:03.54 | neoice | aww yeah, clean that package cache |
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| 04:21.32 | PZt | kingsley what are you trying to find? |
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| 04:34.41 | wols | %deborphan |
| 04:34.41 | dselect | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of HDD. Ask me about <debfoster><autoremove><unmarkauto>. |
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| 04:35.26 | skilz | How can I make my aterm skilz@ataraxia:~$ green and blue? |
| 04:37.02 | DevilSun | google for it. There are lots of things you can do with aterm |
| 04:37.14 | DevilSun | you'll find configs other ppl have made |
| 04:37.24 | x1631f | i have /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/0 type ntfs (rw,umask=0000) but i can't do anything in it (mkdir/mv..etc) as root or normal user. |
| 04:37.33 | x1631f | mkdir: cannot create directory `tmp': Operation not permitted |
| 04:37.42 | x1631f | mkdir: cannot create directory `asdf': Operation not permitted |
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| 04:38.34 | x1631f | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.48 | x1631f | ntfs 162796 1 |
| 04:39.57 | x1631f | i did mkfs.ntfs -f -C too..will retry again without -C now.. |
| 04:40.51 | x1631f | same.. |
| 04:41.15 | wols | x1631f: "mount" and "ls -l /mnt/0" |
| 04:41.20 | x1631f | ls -ashl |
| 04:41.24 | x1631f | oops |
| 04:41.35 | x1631f | 4.0K drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4.0K Jul 9 09:09 0 |
| 04:44.30 | wols | it's not what I asked for. and use a pastebin |
| 04:44.53 | x1631f | pastebin for a 1 line? |
| 04:45.05 | x1631f | drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Jul 9 09:09 0 |
| 04:45.22 | wols | you didn't showed me what I asked for. come back if you are able to copy the two commands exactly as given. |
| 04:45.29 | x1631f | total 0 |
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| 04:46.24 | x1631f | oh..i only saw the last part...my bad.. |
| 04:48.18 | x1631f | http://pastebin.com/7yS7R4KS |
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| 04:49.47 | wols | something is very wrong when ls -l doesn't show . and .. in a directory... |
| 04:49.53 | wols | %tell x1631f about ntfsrw |
| 04:50.04 | wols | and I strongly suggest mkfs-ing ntfs partitions under windows |
| 04:50.53 | x1631f | it does show if i do that inside the dir. |
| 04:51.45 | x1631f | ls -a . .. |
| 04:52.01 | phix | hi, why did the Debian installer make the end block and start block of the next partition the same? |
| 04:52.42 | wols | stupid me.not really awake yet |
| 04:52.50 | phix | hi wols |
| 04:52.56 | wols | x1631f: use ntfs-3g |
| 04:53.17 | phix | why did it do that for wols? why? |
| 04:53.26 | x1631f | ok. thanks. |
| 04:53.30 | phix | and how can I fix it? |
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| 04:54.06 | phix | why did the debian installer overlap blocks on partitions? |
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| 05:04.08 | skilz | How do I install libXft? |
| 05:04.14 | skilz | whats the package name |
| 05:04.36 | x1631f | libxft2 |
| 05:04.51 | x1631f | search with: apt-cache search <name> |
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| 05:06.38 | nvz | what are the chances kernel-package in squeeze will build 3.0-rc6? heh |
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| 05:24.37 | plasticle | anyone have any success getting vlc to build on 64bit squeeze? |
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| 05:25.40 | stoniestfool | hello all i am tring to correctly edit a makefile and could use alittle help if possible |
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| 05:26.02 | ompaul | plasticle: why build when you can install? |
| 05:26.28 | xvilka | hi! please, anyone, talk me your lua.h location in /usr/include |
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| 05:26.35 | stoniestfool | its for the ps3 so i have to build:( |
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| 05:27.04 | stew | stoniestfool: why does ps3 mean you have to build? |
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| 05:27.24 | stew | xvilka: i'm not sure I understood that. can you rephrase your question? |
| 05:27.36 | stoniestfool | just openssl not everything |
| 05:27.47 | stew | stoniestfool: why does ps3 mean you have to build openssl? |
| 05:28.23 | plasticle | ompaul: vlc 1.1.3 doesn't have support for wmap... windows media audio of a certain sort, so im trying to install vlc-1.1.7 |
| 05:28.39 | stoniestfool | the instructions say to and i am trying to learn to complile appz on my own for knowledge sak |
| 05:28.46 | ompaul | ,versions vlc |
| 05:28.46 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; wheezy: 1.1.10-1; sid: 1.1.10-1+b1 |
| 05:28.54 | plasticle | which apparently has newer codecs |
| 05:29.29 | ompaul | !backports |
| 05:29.40 | ompaul | %backports |
| 05:29.40 | dselect | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 05:30.06 | ompaul | plasticle: ^^ that might help |
| 05:30.08 | plasticle | when you do it like that, it makes it seem so easy |
| 05:30.22 | stew | stoniestfool: well, this all sounds weird. but what is your question, anyway? |
| 05:30.30 | plasticle | allright, ill see where i can go from there, thanks |
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| 05:31.03 | phix | so how do I fix it? |
| 05:31.30 | runemaste | g'day, i'm installing Debian Squeeze onto a Sun Netra T1 box, and the installer is asking for the firmware file sun/cassini.bin |
| 05:31.40 | stoniestfool | i am new to ldebian but i unsterstand basic file arguments like ls -a but this is adding and argument in the makefile which i have not done yet |
| 05:31.41 | runemaste | i have been google searching, with no luck. any ideas?? |
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| 05:33.44 | stoniestfool | basiclly it say to edit CFLAG with an argument untouched it read CFLAG =0 my editing reads CFLAG= -I/usr/src/linux-2.6/include(assuming -0 means no argument i removed it.Is this correct? |
| 05:34.54 | stoniestfool | CFLAG= -0 ^^ |
| 05:34.54 | stew | stoniestfool: are you sure "CFLAG" is the variable it is talking about? |
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| 05:36.43 | stoniestfool | i could be wrong it says CFLAGS otion but i only found CFLAG anywhere that looked editable the instruction reads |
| 05:36.48 | stoniestfool | You need to add this option to the end of the CFLAGS option list: -I/usr/src/linux-2.6/include |
| 05:37.06 | stew | i can't imagine what the goal here is |
| 05:37.21 | stew | stoniestfool: what is /usr/src/linux-2.6? is that a directory you populated? |
| 05:37.40 | stoniestfool | its to unlock a spu in the end |
| 05:38.05 | stoniestfool | thats the custom kernel |
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| 05:38.33 | stoniestfool | or the custom kernels soure files |
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| 05:40.15 | stew | stoniestfool: are you sure it was -0 and not -O? |
| 05:40.39 | stew | i do not believe that in either case it would be something that means "no argument" |
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| 05:41.10 | stoniestfool | oh i am probably wrong i am new to editing files |
| 05:41.29 | stew | stoniestfool: what does "spu" mean? |
| 05:41.34 | xvilka | stew: i'm writing configure in file for my program. looks like debian users have lua.h not inside /usr/include/lua.h but somewhere in /usr/include/lua5.1/ |
| 05:41.40 | runemaste | any ideas anyone? |
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| 05:43.02 | ompaul | runemaste: people running sun hardware are few and far between at 06:43 BST ;-) I'd state the case every hour or so and maybe transfer the question to on the half hour to oftc |
| 05:43.12 | stoniestfool | CFLAG= -O is the actual but since its probably not no argument how do i add it -0 -1 or a symbol inbetween? |
| 05:43.16 | stew | xvilka: /msg dpkg apt-file ; then "apt-file search lua.h" |
| 05:43.37 | stew | stoniestfool: what do you mean by "no argument"? |
| 05:43.47 | runemaste | lol thanks ompaul, i wonder if i can continue installation anyway |
| 05:43.54 | runemaste | it appears to only be the external nic |
| 05:44.06 | runemaste | well, internal expansion |
| 05:44.07 | runemaste | lol |
| 05:44.12 | stew | xvilka: its going to be a different location depending on which version of lua, /usr/include/lua5.1 or /usr/include/lua40 or /usr/include/lua50 |
| 05:44.31 | ompaul | runemaste: this is not im it's irc lol is not a great statment on its own ;-) |
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| 05:44.49 | stoniestfool | ok argument is probably the wrong word maybe how do i add the option to this line?:) |
| 05:45.38 | stew | stoniestfool: so your question is really "how do I use an editor"? |
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| 05:46.03 | xvilka | stew: and it is /usr/include/lua<version>/lua.h, right? |
| 05:46.44 | stew | xvilka: not exactly, since the values I see for "version" are 40, 50, and 5.1 |
| 05:47.28 | stew | xvilka: which i suppose seems to map to the soname |
| 05:48.24 | stew | xvilka: yeah, the sonames we have are liblua40, lublua50 and lublua5.1 |
| 05:48.45 | stoniestfool | no i can nano i don't know what exactly the line should read i assume CFLAG= -0 -I/usr/src/linux-2.6/include AS I HAVE DONE WITH APT-GET LIBC LIBC6 FOR EXAMPLE IS THE SPACE AN AND IN THIS SITUATION? |
| 05:49.23 | stoniestfool | sry bout the caps |
| 05:50.08 | ompaul | stoniestfool: did you not get build-essentials? |
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| 05:50.34 | xvilka | stew: thx. |
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| 05:54.33 | stew | stoniestfool: i'm confused by "apt-get libc libc6" |
| 05:54.41 | stoniestfool | i downloaded and extracted openssl from tar.gz but before i can make i need to correctly edit that line in the makefile |
| 05:55.03 | stew | stoniestfool: are you not using the debian sources for openssl? |
| 05:55.42 | stoniestfool | no i mean when adding options in a makefile -0 -1 is the space an and so its-0and-1? |
| 05:55.53 | stoniestfool | yes i am |
| 05:56.07 | stew | how did you download the .tar.gz? |
| 05:56.12 | stew | and what file are you editing? |
| 05:56.21 | stoniestfool | sry i suck at explaining this stuff its all new alot of terms |
| 05:57.25 | ompaul | stoniestfool: at a guess you went to the openssl site and downloaded the openssl package when you could apt-get install openssl |
| 05:57.50 | stoniestfool | http://www.openssl.org/source/openssl-1.0.0d.tar.gz and i am editing the Makefile from the uncompressed of< |
| 05:58.12 | stew | stoniestfool: why would you use this source instead of the debian source? |
| 05:58.15 | ompaul | apt-get source openssl |
| 05:58.26 | stew | stoniestfool: you are going to end up with your package manager not knowing what you have done |
| 05:58.27 | ompaul | apt-get source openssl |
| 05:58.30 | ompaul | woops |
| 05:58.31 | stew | well whatever |
| 05:58.50 | stew | stoniestfool: i suppose I understand your question and i guess in this case "space" means "and" sure... |
| 05:58.59 | stew | stoniestfool: however, we think that what you are doing is really not a good idea |
| 05:59.02 | ompaul | stoniestfool: you are doing things "not the debian way" |
| 05:59.26 | ompaul | stoniestfool: almost always ends in tears |
| 06:01.00 | stoniestfool | ok i understand and appriciate your concerns and am willing to do it correctly here is the link to what i am doing so you might understand better |
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| 06:01.13 | valdyn | !wayttd stoniestfool |
| 06:01.18 | valdyn | damn bot |
| 06:01.20 | valdyn | %test |
| 06:01.20 | dselect | Test failed. |
| 06:01.26 | valdyn | !wayttd stoniestfool |
| 06:01.30 | valdyn | %wayttd stoniestfool |
| 06:01.30 | dselect | What Are You Trying To Do, stoniestfool? |
| 06:01.34 | wols | valdyn: unlock a PS3 SPU. otheros only allows 7 SPUs to be used afaik |
| 06:01.43 | stoniestfool | yes man |
| 06:01.49 | stew | wols: what is spu? |
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| 06:02.17 | wols | stew: the vector "CPU" that the PS3 uses. it has 8 SPUs in hardware and one PPC core to control them |
| 06:02.25 | valdyn | signal processing unit? |
| 06:02.29 | stoniestfool | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kZhfJTqWMjEJ:wiki.gitbrew.org/index.php/PS3:Tools+http://wiki.gitbrew.org/index.php/PS3:Tools&cd=1&hl=nl&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com |
| 06:02.49 | stoniestfool | its near the bootom under openssl of course |
| 06:02.58 | wols | "Synergistic Processing Unit". blame IBM... |
| 06:03.09 | valdyn | heh |
| 06:03.25 | stoniestfool | wow ya'll know your stuff |
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| 06:04.21 | wols | "Your search - cache:kZhfJTqWMjEJ:wiki.gitbrew.org/index.php/PS3:Tools http://wiki.gitbrew.org/index.php/PS3:Tools - did not match any documents. |
| 06:04.53 | stew | nor does the website work directly |
| 06:05.02 | wols | stew: blame sony probably |
| 06:05.07 | stew | ok |
| 06:05.09 | stew | done |
| 06:05.22 | stew | wols: can you imagine why this would warrant recompiling openssl? |
| 06:05.26 | stoniestfool | ok its downright now heres a good link sry |
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| 06:06.13 | ompaul | stew: http://tinyurl.com/6hsyqw3 |
| 06:06.17 | ompaul | thats the link |
| 06:06.36 | ompaul | sadly still the goog one can't seem to get past that to anywhere good |
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| 06:07.19 | t3a | andrew@debian:~$ xrandr --output DFP3 --left-of DFP4 xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1440x1440 (desired size 2880x900) |
| 06:07.20 | ompaul | stew: why it won't work as a straight link ... (Can't contact the database server: Host 'bastion.fastsh.it' is blocked because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts' (173.220.0.157)) |
| 06:07.33 | wols | stoniestfool: pastebin the file you have apparently on your disk or browser in a pastebin |
| 06:07.34 | stew | now if someone could create a url which redirects to ompaul's which redirects to stoniestfool's which is a broken cache of a broken page... |
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| 06:07.49 | ompaul | stew: I can do that ;-) |
| 06:08.00 | wols | ompaul: that's what we fear |
| 06:08.00 | aidalgol | Where can I find the packages for these? http://paste.debian.net/122384/ I'm trying to build wine, and I've already run aptitude build-dep wine |
| 06:08.00 | nyov | stoniestfool: the equivalent to that openssl paragraph there is "apt-get install openssl" imho |
| 06:08.35 | valdyn | aidalgol: trying to build wine on amd64? |
| 06:08.49 | ompaul | stew: have a look at that http://paste.debian.net/122385/ |
| 06:09.04 | aidalgol | valdyn: yes |
| 06:09.10 | ompaul | wols: hang on I need to get out of this loop |
| 06:09.25 | wols | nyov: If I interpret correctly, he neds a openssl lib without any optimizations done for osme reason |
| 06:09.37 | stoniestfool | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TChhbdAgNzIJ:wiki.gitbrew.org/index.php/PS3:Linux+distro&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com |
| 06:09.40 | wols | aidalgol: use a 32bit chroot |
| 06:09.51 | valdyn | aidalgol: that stuff is in ia32-libs-dev |
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| 06:10.12 | valdyn | aidalgol: i cant tell if this works currently, a while ago it built fine |
| 06:10.28 | valdyn | aidalgol: but im not sure ia32-libs are well maintained right now |
| 06:10.33 | aidalgol | valdyn: That package is installed. :/ |
| 06:10.43 | wols | stoniestfool: that doesn't mention ssl at all. all it tells you to set a linux kernel parameter |
| 06:11.17 | stew | judd: versions libc --arch powerpc |
| 06:11.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libc' was found in powerpc. |
| 06:11.18 | valdyn | aidalgol: youre on sid or wheezy i suspect.. |
| 06:11.26 | stew | i don't think these instructions are for debian |
| 06:11.27 | aidalgol | valdyn: No, squeeze. |
| 06:11.30 | valdyn | aidalgol: ah |
| 06:12.03 | stoniestfool | its the kernel and other apps that enable the spu i think why that instruction is there is because the kernel we use gets updated everyday and 1 script we add on boot up enables something that lets us unlock it.sry i can not be more speciffic i just don't know |
| 06:12.06 | wols | stew: debian runs on PS3 http://wiki.debian.org/PS3 so it might |
| 06:12.17 | stew | wols: isn't ps3 powerpc? |
| 06:12.34 | wols | stew: yes. with the weird SPUs that it can actually run stuff decently |
| 06:12.38 | stew | wols: these instructions are saying to install a package named "libc" |
| 06:12.39 | nyov | the first link worked ok for me :P |
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| 06:12.47 | nyov | whoops |
| 06:13.01 | wols | stoniestfool: you need to tell us what you are trying to do. cause openssl is NOT mentioned on this page at all |
| 06:13.06 | stew | wols: i don't find any recent record of a package named "libc" in debian |
| 06:13.27 | valdyn | aidalgol: no idea why libxcursor isnt found, but theres problems anyway, use a 32-bit chroot for wine |
| 06:13.43 | aidalgol | valdyn: I think that would be best. |
| 06:13.46 | wols | stew: agreed. which is why the page is named "linux" and is for generic linuxes (linuces? linuxi?). some of that page might apply to debian. like the kernel parameter |
| 06:14.15 | stew | wols: it DOES talk about openssl in this page |
| 06:14.24 | stew | wols: of course it gets the name of the CFLAG variable wrong |
| 06:14.39 | wols | where? quick search in browser didn't show me :( |
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| 06:15.07 | ompaul | wols: did you try the pastebin I put up there |
| 06:15.13 | ompaul | it was a cut and paste from the page |
| 06:15.36 | stew | wols: are ou looking at http://paste.debian.net/122385/ ? |
| 06:15.42 | stoniestfool | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kZhfJTqWMjEJ:wiki.gitbrew.org/index.php/PS3:Tools+http://wiki.gitbrew.org/index.php/PS3:Tools&cd=1&hl=nl&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com |
| 06:15.51 | ompaul | stoniestfool: please stop |
| 06:16.04 | stoniestfool | that is correct sry and i will patie the file right now |
| 06:16.05 | ompaul | we have the contents on the paste.debian.net |
| 06:16.18 | wols | stoniestfool: tell us what you are actually trying to accomplish first |
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| 06:16.55 | stoniestfool | i'm trying to unlock a spu on a ps3 |
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| 06:17.06 | wols | stew: I was looking at the useless url stoniestfool pasted |
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| 06:17.48 | stoniestfool | it shows me when i go there its openssl for ppc64 half way done the page |
| 06:18.02 | wols | stoniestfool: and you run all this stuff on your PS3? |
| 06:18.28 | stew | it also tells you to instlal the non-existant libc-dev |
| 06:18.28 | stoniestfool | yes i'm on it now talking to you |
| 06:18.52 | stoniestfool | yes i know that and figured it out |
| 06:18.54 | wols | stoniestfool: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 06:19.13 | wols | run this and tell us the output |
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| 06:22.40 | stoniestfool | no package found searching libc |
| 06:22.46 | und3f | Good day. On this page http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#ua listed the distributor "Lafox.Net" witch one doesn't sell the debian. It is a site of record company. |
| 06:23.23 | stew | stoniestfool: yes, these instructions tell you to install such a package, but that isn't a package in debian |
| 06:23.30 | wols | stoniestfool: I gave you the exact line to run in a terminal. I never wrote anything about libc at all. please try again. this time copy+paste properly |
| 06:23.39 | stew | stoniestfool: however, wols is asking you to tell us about "libc6" which WOULD be a package in debian |
| 06:24.26 | stoniestfool | i can not copy from xchat but i'll try again |
| 06:24.49 | wols | stoniestfool: depending on the version of debian you run on your PS3 we could help you much quicker and easier |
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| 06:25.19 | stew | und3f: thanks, can you please report a bug against the cdimage.debian.org pseudo-package? |
| 06:25.41 | stoniestfool | debian squezze 6 ppc64 |
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| 06:26.44 | stoniestfool | ii libc6 2.11.2-10 thats what is returned i missed the 6 the first time |
| 06:27.03 | wols | !tell stoniestfool about ssb |
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| 06:27.28 | stoniestfool | but i did get the answer how to add an option in to a makefile thanks for this |
| 06:27.29 | wols | stoniestfool: this way you can easily create a openssl 1.0.0 for your squeeze and install it properly |
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| 06:28.40 | wols | the package in debian sid or wheezy you need to backport is libssl1.0.0 however, why is the normally installed libssl not enough for your uses? |
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| 06:29.13 | stoniestfool | is this going to be compatible with a custom kernel just wondering cause its alot of work to get deb on the ps3? |
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| 06:29.36 | wols | yes. many people run custom kernels on debian stable up to linux 3.0.0 |
| 06:30.13 | stoniestfool | ok thx |
| 06:30.26 | wols | this page doesn't tell us in what way it's incompatible. for a definite answer we'd need to know how this incompatibility manifests itself |
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| 06:31.34 | wols | stoniestfool: just compiling a critical library like libssl from source and putting it into /usr/local and making it default library for ssl on the system is a quick way to lots of problems all over |
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| 06:32.00 | und3f | stew, is it right place? I didn't find similar reports for that package. |
| 06:33.22 | stoniestfool | i would much rather do it the correct way.i enjoy learnibg this stuff i'm sry i'm not helpful but i've had linux only a couple weeks |
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| 06:36.59 | wols | stoniestfool: why do you need libssl exactly? what for? |
| 06:37.46 | stoniestfool | to enable me to use the utils to unlock a spu |
| 06:38.26 | nyov | compiling the other programs on that page against openssl headers should be enough? |
| 06:38.35 | wols | what utils exactly? have to tried them with over versions of libssl? |
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| 06:39.35 | stoniestfool | no this is my first install of openssl |
| 06:39.48 | wols | debian already comes with openssl |
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| 06:41.46 | stoniestfool | i did not know this |
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| 06:43.04 | stoniestfool | if i may ask what does -I/usr/src/linux-2.6/include do is it a syslink to linux-2.6? |
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| 06:44.01 | wols | no, it tells gcc to look for include files in that directory. something you don't need either usually. at least not in this directory |
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| 06:47.54 | lilibox | hi |
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| 06:50.02 | stoniestfool | the only reason i can think of is because usr/src/linux-2.6 is syslinked to usr/src/linux but other that that should i skip this since i have openssl anyway? |
| 06:50.41 | wols | unless you get a openssl related error later on, you shouldn't need to compile openssl at all |
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| 06:52.18 | stoniestfool | well ok i won't unless i get them then i go back and do that |
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| 06:53.10 | stoniestfool | but i learned how to add ptions in a file :) |
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| 06:56.36 | b3hnam | What software should I install to using scanner in Debian? I use Gnome ? |
| 06:57.27 | somiaj | the gimp can import images from scanners (provided its already detected by your kernel) |
| 06:58.06 | entel_ | i wasnt aware of that, good to know |
| 07:00.14 | somiaj | hmm, maybe I'm mistaking, I could of sworn I used gimp to use a scanner, but this was before gimp 2.0 |
| 07:00.55 | entel_ | somiaj: i was just saying i didnt know gimp did that |
| 07:01.07 | entel_ | i totally take your word that it is capable of doing such |
| 07:01.19 | entel_ | -- good to know |
| 07:01.23 | somiaj | well I'm trying to recall how..:D |
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| 07:01.41 | entel_ | ah >_< |
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| 07:02.05 | somiaj | according to this webpage you need to install the sane and xsane pacakges which are plugins for the gimp, so it might not do it by default |
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| 07:02.44 | w7nz7k | hi! when i create a new user the permissions to his/her home folder are 755... shouldn't they be 700? |
| 07:04.09 | somiaj | entel_: yea looks like you have to install the sane and xsane package, then you have a plugin and can import with the gimp -- but its those packages doing the scanning |
| 07:04.20 | b3hnam | somiaj: I have a message in gimp that jon completed but there is no any image |
| 07:04.21 | somiaj | b3hnam: ^^ (AS WELL) |
| 07:04.47 | somiaj | b3hnam: its been 10+ years, google will probably give you some nice hits now you know what to look for |
| 07:05.05 | somiaj | b3hnam: well maybe not that long, but this was 2003 or so I last scanned an image into gimp |
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| 07:53.19 | SpeCon | anybody who knows more about squirrelmail ? |
| 07:53.34 | SpeCon | i can't login to a mail account and i want to check the new mails from it in TERMINAL :) |
| 07:53.40 | SpeCon | i have root ofcourse |
| 07:55.25 | wols | what IMAP server? |
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| 07:56.56 | SpeCon | wols eum |
| 07:56.58 | SpeCon | hold on |
| 07:57.23 | SpeCon | dovecot |
| 07:58.27 | wols | what's the problem? you use a terminal based browser like links, lynx or such and log in |
| 07:58.52 | SpeCon | wols the problem is, standard mail account i made in Directadmin is admin @ domein .com |
| 07:58.59 | SpeCon | but i didn't do that, direct admin did that |
| 07:59.13 | SpeCon | so i posted a message on a forum and i used that admin account |
| 07:59.16 | SpeCon | but i don't know the pasword lol |
| 07:59.30 | SpeCon | so i don't know what those people mailed to me now. I have to get access to that mail account |
| 07:59.44 | SpeCon | when i try the root pass of direct admin it say user or paswd is wrong |
| 07:59.56 | entel_ | lol |
| 07:59.56 | wols | what is directadmin? |
| 07:59.59 | SpeCon | thats why i want to check it in terminal. I'm sure you can get into the mails in terminal |
| 08:00.03 | wols | ,info directadmin |
| 08:00.04 | judd | No record of package 'directadmin' in squeeze/i386. |
| 08:00.06 | entel_ | i was wondering that myself |
| 08:00.07 | SpeCon | wols a control pannel ;) |
| 08:00.10 | jelly-home | SpeCon: well you best know how you configured dovecot and where its mail store is. |
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| 08:00.28 | wols | jelly-home: he used crapware. which means he doesn't know. it's "magic" |
| 08:00.30 | SpeCon | jelly-home, dunno the server was setup by the hosting company |
| 08:00.38 | jelly-home | SpeCon: ask them, then |
| 08:00.42 | entel_ | uh ohz |
| 08:00.45 | entel_ | yea |
| 08:00.52 | entel_ | make them do the leg work |
| 08:00.57 | entel_ | its what u pay em for |
| 08:01.06 | wols | SpeCon: ask them how to log into direct admin |
| 08:01.17 | SpeCon | Wols i know how to login to direct admin |
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| 08:01.27 | SpeCon | i DON'T know how to login to admin @ host . com |
| 08:01.29 | entel_ | drop into a root shell and hack ur way out |
| 08:01.31 | jelly-home | "hai I lost my control panel password and also I don't know where on the system my mail is stored" |
| 08:01.35 | entel_ | no mercy |
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| 08:01.51 | entel_ | lol |
| 08:02.00 | jelly-home | %directadmin |
| 08:02.12 | entel_ | what is this direct admin |
| 08:02.13 | wols | SpeCon: then learn how to use directadmin. it's not a debian software so we don't know about it |
| 08:02.15 | jelly-home | see, even the bot doesn't know much about it |
| 08:02.21 | entel_ | some sort of cpanel thing? |
| 08:02.26 | wols | entel_: yes |
| 08:02.30 | entel_ | o |
| 08:02.42 | entel_ | figures |
| 08:03.00 | entel_ | SpeCon: yea call up godaddy and tell em to get crackin |
| 08:03.27 | jordanm | where is dpkg? dselect now? |
| 08:03.38 | entel_ | which dpkg |
| 08:03.40 | SpeCon | entel_, right |
| 08:04.01 | jordanm | entel_: the irc bot... |
| 08:04.10 | jelly-home | %ping |
| 08:04.10 | dselect | pong |
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| 08:04.21 | entel_ | SpeCon: go easy on em though, low level techs probably have the worst job concivable |
| 08:04.55 | jelly-home | I'd never want to be 1st level support, but they're trained to deal with all sorts of people and queries |
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| 08:05.17 | jordanm | entel_: jelly-home its not that bad |
| 08:05.17 | entel_ | jordanm: i took what you said too literaly.. |
| 08:05.43 | jordanm | entel_: type -P is better btw |
| 08:06.31 | entel_ | i pitty them, i had to do tech support for a web host while i was supposed to be a developer |
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| 08:07.31 | entel_ | people can be quite ruthless over the phone |
| 08:08.21 | jordanm | entel_: aw phones... i now do 2nd tier hosting aupport, but mostly email |
| 08:08.54 | entel_ | heh yea i try to funnel all of my contacts through email |
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| 08:09.27 | entel_ | but even then i clung to email until it was absolutely nessecary to resort to the phone |
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| 08:11.20 | entel_ | jordanm: the most common problem was people trying to connect to the mail sever but mistyping their password, so the most common last case scenario was to either use tcpdump+wireshark or vnc to them to catch them in a lie |
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| 08:14.11 | jordanm | getting a bit ot for #d now |
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| 08:33.47 | internatg2 | hi guys.. i have a wierd question.. im getting pretty much an entire cpu worth of "system wait time".. is there a way to find out what is using that time? |
| 08:35.29 | jordanm | where are you seeing that? |
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| 08:39.46 | internatg2 | top |
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| 08:40.34 | jordanm | internatg2: assuming you mean i/o wait, then iotop |
| 08:41.47 | internatg2 | no. i mean system wait |
| 08:42.56 | internatg2 | in thoery its time something is off in kernel land doing something, but i cant find what that something is. |
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| 08:44.45 | jordanm | internatg2: explain where this "system wait" value appears |
| 08:45.10 | jordanm | assumed he meant the %wa |
| 08:45.28 | internatg2 | no |
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| 08:45.50 | internatg2 | Cpu(s): 9.3%us, 8.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 75.0%id, 6.5%wa, 0.2%hi, 0.2%si, 0.3%st |
| 08:45.57 | internatg2 | im refering to %sy |
| 08:46.12 | wols | sy is simply your kernel |
| 08:46.31 | internatg2 | i know. but its not usual for the kernel to be consuming a whole CPU worth of time constantly |
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| 08:47.07 | jordanm | internatg2: vmstat may be helpful |
| 08:47.07 | wols | 8% is a full CPU? magny-cours opteron? |
| 08:47.51 | jordanm | 2011-07-09 04:45 < internatg2> im refering to %sy |
| 08:48.00 | jordanm | sorry for the paste |
| 08:48.07 | internatg2 | yeah i looked at vmstat |
| 08:48.13 | internatg2 | yeah its a Pseries |
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| 09:01.29 | lilibox | i am kinda battling with subversion, does anybody so kind to tell me if i can run svn+ssh without webserver running? |
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| 09:02.55 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 09:03.56 | casts | quit the battle, use mercurial! |
| 09:04.02 | casts | resumes idle |
| 09:04.02 | jelly-home | lilibox: just give your ssh users rw access to the repo (usually done by putting them in a group and makeing the repo g+rws) |
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| 09:05.12 | lilibox | thank you guys for answers |
| 09:05.58 | entel_ | ehhh |
| 09:06.08 | entel_ | oh |
| 09:06.08 | lilibox | casts i began fighting with svn right now :) |
| 09:06.42 | entel_ | yea what jelly-home said |
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| 09:07.01 | entel_ | give the commiters ssh access to the repo if u dare |
| 09:07.18 | jelly-home | if you dare? That's how svn+ssh works. |
| 09:07.28 | entel_ | trusted commiters |
| 09:07.32 | lilibox | yeap, but tortoise told me no svn+ssh :( |
| 09:07.38 | lilibox | svn works fine |
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| 09:07.55 | jelly-home | where did TortoiseSVN come form now |
| 09:07.57 | lilibox | my user is included in subversion group |
| 09:08.37 | lilibox | then dunno what wrong happen, but your permision it may work without apache is enough for me now, i will puzzling a little bit |
| 09:08.40 | lilibox | :) |
| 09:08.50 | entel_ | are you getting an error? ssh logging anything intersting? |
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| 09:09.48 | lilibox | i was aware why one from apaches's subdomain was targeted to svn dir |
| 09:10.16 | lilibox | entel_> i didn't look yet |
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| 09:12.46 | entel_ | logs are a good place to look when problems occur |
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| 09:21.06 | lilibox | svn: No repository found in 'svn+ssh:// |
| 09:21.09 | lilibox | hmm |
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| 09:22.29 | lilibox | how is proper way set group's "rights" to repo directory? |
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| 09:23.44 | lilibox | i am not messing with auth key atm, it is not neccessary yet, isn't it? without those keys svn will ask me to login to ssh and svn only twice, right? |
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| 09:24.14 | lilibox | one login to ssh and one login to svn |
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| 09:33.16 | skilz | how can I enable linuxlogo to run on system startup before I login |
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| 09:33.59 | skilz | so it's the last to load before Debian hostname login: |
| 09:34.24 | lillem4n | Please help.. I'm stuck. I'm gonna install XFS kernel module, and have just done "make modules".. but wich files should I move where? |
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| 09:35.15 | petemc | lillem4n: debian kernels should come with xfs |
| 09:35.36 | lillem4n | petemc: Yeh, this is a custom kernel for a NAS-kindof-thingy :) |
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| 09:35.49 | lillem4n | I guess thats why its so hard to find anything on google about it :/ |
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| 09:39.35 | skilz | How do I disable root login over network? |
| 09:39.51 | format_c | Depend on how to login |
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| 09:39.54 | format_c | ssh? |
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| 09:40.45 | skilz | The /etc/securetty file lists the devices on which "root" may log in. If I remove all entries except for tty1 through tty8, it should prevent network logins for root? |
| 09:40.45 | epsilon | .oO install ubuntu |
| 09:40.58 | skilz | format_c: Yes SSH. |
| 09:41.17 | epsilon | PermitRootLogin No in sshd_conf |
| 09:41.54 | skilz | Well, the way I am doing it should prevent everything so it is more secure. |
| 09:42.47 | skilz | Is it ok to do that? |
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| 09:49.06 | lilibox | ohh, found it, svn+ssh needs absolut path to repo directory |
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| 09:50.47 | thewanderer1 | skilz: better yet, remove ssh pty's from securetty AND disable root logins in sshd_config |
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| 09:53.12 | themill | lilibox: you can configure a custom path to make a nicer URL if you use keys and «command="svnserve -t -r /srv/svn/"» in your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. You may want to talk before you run, however. |
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| 09:55.31 | lilibox | yes |
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| 09:55.36 | lilibox | i will try it |
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| 09:58.22 | skilz | gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 09:58.22 | skilz | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 09:58.23 | skilz | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting no |
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| 10:11.17 | lilibox | but first things make first :), but now i found one next problem, what to do when you must be both ports redirected? 22 and 3690 |
| 10:12.06 | lilibox | must have both ports redirected |
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| 10:13.06 | lilibox | if i understood it right, ssh is stablished and if login successful then comes svn |
| 10:13.17 | lilibox | e+ |
| 10:13.50 | themill | svn+ssh only needs port 22 |
| 10:14.33 | lilibox | great, good to know it |
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| 10:35.27 | g0to_ | I'm trying to get my wireless card working in wheezy (http://tinyurl.com/3t7juru) |
| 10:36.03 | g0to_ | but after finishing all steps it still doesn't work for me |
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| 10:36.42 | g0to_ | and I even lost bluetooth (it worked fine before) |
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| 10:37.02 | bps | read the topic |
| 10:37.09 | g0to_ | I have a clue about step 3 on Wheezy installation |
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| 10:37.53 | g0to_ | bps, ok, sorry |
| 10:38.22 | bps | idk anything about wireless but i doubt you would be helped in this chnanel |
| 10:38.29 | g0to_ | bps, but debian-next is invite only :S |
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| 10:38.36 | ele00 | salut |
| 10:38.40 | bps | differnet network |
| 10:38.41 | ele00 | !list |
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| 10:38.59 | g0to_ | bps, ok. My fault again |
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| 10:47.00 | lilibox | themill> please i will need your another help, on local machine everything work, but if i want access from outside LAN next problem appears, it comes in this way: aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa:xxx -> bbb.bbb.bbb.bbb:22 |
| 10:47.09 | lilibox | it is redirected to another machine |
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| 10:49.20 | lilibox | svn info svn+ssh://aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa/repo works, svn info svn+ssh://bbb.bbb.bbb.bbb:xxx/repo doesn't |
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| 10:50.23 | lilibox | ohh, sorry i changed IPs |
| 10:51.03 | lilibox | ssh: Could not resolve hostname 192.168.1.2:7894: Name or service not known |
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| 10:53.36 | lilibox | looks like it tries connect to source port as well on the destination machine, but there it works on its defaul port |
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| 11:10.50 | drith | is there a way to install wine in wheezy without compile |
| 11:10.59 | drith | any repo i don't know? |
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| 11:12.33 | abrotman | wine is in wheezy already |
| 11:13.23 | drith | i have in the repo winetricks |
| 11:13.37 | abrotman | i have no clue what that his .. |
| 11:13.39 | abrotman | that is |
| 11:13.51 | abrotman | wine is already in wheezy, what's wrong with that version? |
| 11:14.10 | drith | i don't have wine in my distro |
| 11:15.13 | babilen | drith: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy wine" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 11:15.40 | babilen | ah, through in your /etc/apt/sources.list too (same paste) |
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| 11:16.07 | daniel-s | when I apt-get remove something, how do I also remove packages on which that depends, but which are no longer needed? |
| 11:16.23 | abrotman | it should do that automatically |
| 11:16.35 | abrotman | judd: versions wine |
| 11:16.35 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 11:16.40 | abrotman | oh jeez ... |
| 11:16.48 | drith | babilen, sec... |
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| 11:19.39 | drith | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/122405/ |
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| 11:20.08 | drith | maybe i should build unstable? |
| 11:20.37 | jelly-home | drith: /msg dselect wine-unstable |
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| 11:22.10 | babilen | drith: You have to pull it (or wine-unstable) from sid -- best to set your default release to wheezy and take it from there. |
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| 11:23.11 | julian | hi, I've installed squeeze but the resolution with X isn't right, what do I need to do? |
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| 11:24.36 | abrotman | what's wrong with it? |
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| 11:25.10 | julian | its not true with my LCD monitor res |
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| 11:25.32 | julian | it worked ok with lenny without having to have an xorg.conf |
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| 11:26.43 | lilibox | in causa svn+ssh, i found when both ports are the same forwarding works fine, does anybody feel where problem might be? aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa:xxx -> bbb.bbb.bbb.bbb:xxx work, aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa:xxx -> bbb.bbb.bbb.bbb:yyy not :( |
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| 11:27.24 | daniel-s | http://pastebin.com/RCenU0TY |
| 11:27.30 | daniel-s | that's from apt-get remove screenlets |
| 11:27.38 | daniel-s | it's not removing the other packages |
| 11:28.38 | abrotman | daniel-s: such as? |
| 11:28.41 | valdyn | lilibox: why would you think that is that what is broken and not your way to set it up? |
| 11:29.11 | ompaul | daniel-s: if you want it to you have to apt-get autoremove them also |
| 11:29.35 | ompaul | whispers cos that is the way it works ;-) |
| 11:29.49 | daniel-s | so, apt-get remove screenlets |
| 11:29.54 | daniel-s | then apt-get autoremove |
| 11:29.56 | daniel-s | ? |
| 11:29.58 | ompaul | yes |
| 11:30.05 | daniel-s | ok, thanks |
| 11:30.07 | ompaul | or the other way around ;-) |
| 11:31.01 | abrotman | he really shouldn't have to .. |
| 11:31.25 | abrotman | julian: you'd have to give us more details, starting with your video card and which driver you use |
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| 11:31.59 | ompaul | abrotman: you could plan on using the unused for something else ime |
| 11:32.04 | ompaul | and not want to reinstall them |
| 11:32.24 | abrotman | then why would it remove other unused packages? |
| 11:33.52 | ompaul | those partial packages are there as a result of some strange dependencies (I abuse the word strange) |
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| 11:34.53 | abrotman | doesn't make sense! |
| 11:34.55 | ompaul | random idea might need a sponsor and someone smarter than me to propose etc, maybe that kind of thing should be gathered in the popcon and try to trace back the dependency tree |
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| 11:36.24 | ompaul | I'll agree that they are more or less orphaned and look like they should be removed. |
| 11:37.04 | lilibox | valdyn> i didn't tell there is anything broken, i know it is 99% of user faul, i am just trying figure why does it work :( and i have got no clue what to try as next |
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| 11:40.39 | drith | after some dependance issues i managed to get foobar sounding my room. |
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| 11:40.41 | drith | thanks |
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| 11:42.42 | lilibox | svn info svn+ssh://aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa:xxx/path/to/repo is this line typed right? |
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| 11:44.08 | lilibox | if i remove :xxx part, its worked as i expected, if i type anything in 'port' part i got: ssh: Could not resolve hostname aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa:xxx: Name or service not known |
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| 11:45.38 | lilibox | resolv.config says: domain lan, search lan, nameserver 192.168.1.1 which is gateway |
| 11:45.59 | ompaul | abrotman: had that very debate elsewhere was given this reply as a use case. supposing I install foo and pulls in bar, bar turns out to be something else I used say an mta which I use subsequently, perhaps I would not like it to be auto removed |
| 11:46.38 | abrotman | huh? |
| 11:46.47 | abrotman | if it's depended on, it shouldn't be removed |
| 11:47.09 | ompaul | abrotman: na you remove foo, but bar is the mta which you may use independantly |
| 11:47.36 | abrotman | thta doesn't make sense |
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| 11:54.10 | skilz | whats the best way to free up system ram? |
| 11:54.24 | skilz | Linux ataraxia 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 04:13:06 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:54.29 | skilz | oops |
| 11:54.33 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:54.49 | wols | %freeram |
| 11:55.06 | wols | %tell skilz about free ram |
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| 12:02.25 | skilz | Will ddr2 ram work in a ddr machine? |
| 12:02.33 | skilz | at a slower speed? |
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| 12:04.25 | stew | skilz: they have different numbers of pins |
| 12:04.54 | ompaul | skilz: http://compreviews.about.com/od/memory/f/FasterRAM.htm horrid truths ;-) |
| 12:05.15 | ompaul | and I'm not saying I agree with everything he writes there nor to I disagree (Didn't read it all) |
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| 12:05.25 | ompaul | s/to/do/ |
| 12:05.37 | ompaul | !paste |
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| 12:24.48 | Lenin_Cat | for some reason on debian, network manager doesnt manage my wifi adapter |
| 12:24.53 | Lenin_Cat | whats wrong here |
| 12:26.01 | wols | have you anything about it in your interfaces file? |
| 12:26.30 | Lenin_Cat | Well, just give me suggestions,at this moment I am unable to check |
| 12:26.46 | Lenin_Cat | should I rather come b have accesack when I |
| 12:26.49 | drith | for me network manager must be deprecated |
| 12:26.58 | drith | it is a hell app |
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| 12:27.23 | Lenin_Cat | should I just come bacek when I have acesss to it? |
| 12:27.32 | Lenin_Cat | Sorry I am in a car going 60 miles per hour |
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| 12:28.28 | abrotman | is the cat driving? |
| 12:28.42 | Lenin_Cat | lolno |
| 12:28.54 | Lenin_Cat | my father is, im going to vacation |
| 12:28.54 | drith | rofl |
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| 12:29.10 | abrotman | Lenin_Cat: it'd probably be better to fix it when you have access to the machine and a wifi AP you know works |
| 12:29.21 | Lenin_Cat | alright |
| 12:29.33 | Lenin_Cat | ill come back then |
| 12:29.38 | abrotman | Lenin_Cat: trying to find a working AP at 60mph, not so much fun .. i've tried |
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| 12:29.49 | abrotman | "Look kids, there's Big Ben" |
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| 12:35.42 | ugly_duck | anyone know of an app that allow resuming files over the network |
| 12:36.00 | epsilon | define resume |
| 12:36.42 | ugly_duck | oh rsync.. doh |
| 12:37.50 | epsilon | resume transfer of a large file? dunno if rsync support that... I'd prefer ftp for that |
| 12:38.15 | ugly_duck | yeah, i would normally, but dont have ftp on that computer, its a windows machine |
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| 12:38.39 | epsilon | uhm explorer? |
| 12:38.46 | epsilon | firefox? |
| 12:39.17 | ugly_duck | smb |
| 12:39.34 | gnarface | wget |
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| 12:40.34 | gnarface | in fact that's what rsync is FOR |
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| 12:41.03 | gnarface | but its also a basic feature of HTTP (probably even enabled by default on apache) |
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| 12:44.29 | themill | actually, I'm not sure that rsync does resume particularly gracefully |
| 12:44.50 | jelly-home | define gracefully |
| 12:45.03 | themill | well... it can't resume an individual file |
| 12:45.17 | themill | (iirc) |
| 12:45.29 | jelly-home | sure it can, given right options, and if one endpoint is remote |
| 12:45.47 | jelly-home | --inplace to not generate a copy of the file |
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| 12:46.40 | themill | ahh.. --partial :) |
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| 12:47.16 | toad_ | OOo calc is filling up my home partition every few days, it spontaneous consumes about 15GB over a very short period. when i kill it the space is freed. xsession-errors is not unusually large and i can't find anything in /proc/<pid>/fd which explains it. how do i fix/debug this? |
| 12:47.26 | lilibox | my svn+ssh problem solved, it looks like solution was this: in host .ssh/config file type Port xxx where xxx is src port from outside |
| 12:48.23 | abrotman | toad_: you can use find to look for new/large files |
| 12:48.36 | Dulcin | Hi, I'm wondering the part in the cli that shows in what folder you are, is that a package you can install? (i have a linux distro on my nas, but it only shows my username, and have to keep ls'ing to see my location) |
| 12:49.11 | themill | %bashprompt |
| 12:49.11 | dselect | get it at http://bash.current.nu/themes.html (Configures the prompt in a bash shell), or a guide may be found here: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-tip-prompt/, or ask me about <bash eternal history>. |
| 12:49.34 | themill | Dulcin: ^^ you just need to configure your PS1 in the shell's login files. Also, use "pwd" not "ls" :) |
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| 12:50.27 | toad_ | abrotman: there aren't any. it looks like it's a deleted-but-still-open file. find only finds one file of 100M+ and it's only 100M. "du ." shows total disk usage of 4GB |
| 12:50.49 | abrotman | toad_: and if you close the app gracefully? |
| 12:51.10 | toad_ | abrotman: last two times this happened when i close the app gracefully it frees up the disk space |
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| 12:51.25 | buhman | I guess I'm misunderstanding what the manpages say about apt-preferences |
| 12:51.29 | toad_ | i haven't done that yet cos i hoped to identify what is happening to permanently fix it :| |
| 12:51.37 | buhman | I currently have http://paste.pound-python.org/show/9299/ |
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| 12:52.12 | Dulcin | themill: thanks |
| 12:52.39 | buhman | what I want to do is (firstly) hold back specific gnome packages to their not-gnome-3 equivalents. The next thing is I want most packages to be installed from testing |
| 12:53.06 | buhman | then I want things from unstable to be installed *only* if there is no package like that in unstable |
| 12:53.11 | buhman | err testing |
| 12:53.17 | toad_ | abrotman: other ideas? |
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| 12:53.26 | abrotman | use lsof perhaps? |
| 12:53.30 | buhman | then I want experimental to only work if I say I want experimental explicitely |
| 12:53.34 | toad_ | abrotman: it's odd that i can't find it in /proc/<pid>/fd if it's really a leaked file ... |
| 12:53.39 | toad_ | tries that |
| 12:53.40 | Dulcin | themill: what's PS1? |
| 12:53.45 | toad_ | will lsof indicate deleted files? |
| 12:53.46 | buhman | otherwise, upgrades should not be pulled from unstable/experimental |
| 12:53.54 | buhman | what pin values am I looking for? |
| 12:54.03 | buhman | should unstable be <0? |
| 12:54.21 | jelly-home | buhman: experimental works like that by default. you're going to have to pin testing and unstable |
| 12:54.29 | abrotman | toad_: AIUI, it shows all files that are open .. perhaps i'm mistaken |
| 12:54.29 | jelly-home | %pinning |
| 12:54.30 | dselect | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 12:54.30 | buhman | jelly-home: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/9299/ |
| 12:54.34 | buhman | jelly-home: I'm trying |
| 12:54.46 | buhman | jelly-home: it's not working the way I expect so far |
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| 12:55.16 | jelly-home | buhman: it NEVER works the way you'd expect, really a horrible hack |
| 12:55.17 | toad_ | google suggests maybe xsession-errors, but this file is small, as is the version the OOo process is using ... |
| 12:55.30 | thewanderer1 | guys, where is FollowSymlinksIfOwnerMatch on Debian's apache2? |
| 12:56.07 | abrotman | toad_: i'm about to run out the door to go rafting .. but if it has a file open, i'd think that's how to find it |
| 12:56.08 | jelly-home | buhman: I have this, basically http://paste.debian.net/122415/ |
| 12:56.10 | buhman | jelly-home: i mean after I pinned unstable down, it aptitude started acting halfway more sane, but it's not quite exactly perfect... |
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| 12:56.48 | themill | Dulcin: in most shells, PS1 is the variable the contains the information that is displayed in the prompt |
| 12:56.49 | buhman | jelly-home: so when you do aptitude upgrade, should packages be getting grabbed from unstable? |
| 12:56.57 | jelly-home | buhman: they aren't |
| 12:57.11 | buhman | jelly-home: odd, they are for me... |
| 12:57.25 | toad_ | soffice.b 26614 toad 16u REG 253,4 4096 266503 /home/toad/.execoooYyUdqD (deleted) -- the only file open and deleted is this one ... but i already looked at that, it's in the fd list, and it's only 4096 bytes long |
| 12:57.35 | jelly-home | buhman: have you checked you're not merely getting those that have smae versions in testing and unstable |
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| 12:58.17 | buhman | jelly-home: no.. how do I get aptitude to tell me what the new versions are before I accept the proposal? |
| 12:58.20 | Dulcin | themill: cool I've changed it a bit now using the tutorial and am looking into all the variables I can use, pretty awesome |
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| 12:58.43 | jelly-home | buhman: dunno, but you can apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 12:59.17 | jelly-home | buhman: Candidate: shows what apt thinks pinning is telling it to do |
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| 12:59.46 | Dulcin | themill: is the also a way to review the PS1 variable without changing it? |
| 12:59.53 | themill | buhman: aptitude's -V (and -W -D) are useful for this too |
| 13:00.11 | jelly-home | Dulcin: echo $PS1 |
| 13:00.26 | themill | Dulcin: "echo $PS1". If you're using bash as your login shell (echo $SHELL) then #bash may also be helpful for you |
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| 13:00.45 | Ras | Hi |
| 13:00.53 | buhman | jelly-home: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/9301/ :S |
| 13:00.59 | buhman | jelly-home: that's not what I told it to do... |
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| 13:02.17 | jelly-home | buhman: I think you want a=... not n=... |
| 13:02.22 | Ras | i'm having some problems with my computer on squeeze, installation worked well, but when i try to boot it doesn't recognize the TV :\ |
| 13:03.08 | buhman | jelly-home: ;P perfect |
| 13:03.13 | Ras | I guess I should boot on recovery and make a proper xorg.conf so it would boot normally, but what is the minimum required in the file ? |
| 13:03.27 | buhman | jelly-home: thanks; it's behaving properly now |
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| 13:04.01 | jiawei | which iso do i download for a server? |
| 13:04.23 | buhman | jiawei: whichever you want |
| 13:04.31 | buhman | jiawei: usually the reccomended way is the net-install |
| 13:04.42 | jiawei | buhman: is that CLI only? |
| 13:04.49 | buhman | jiawei: it's whatever you tell it to be |
| 13:04.56 | buhman | jiawei: that's decided during the installation process |
| 13:05.15 | jiawei | buhman: ok . because i need it to be as minimal as it can :P |
| 13:05.18 | Dulcin | themill: awesome, my nas bashprompt looks like debian bashprompt now :D it was so annoying seeing only my username |
| 13:05.32 | buhman | jiawei: well, you'll want sshd and such installed :P |
| 13:05.49 | jiawei | buhman: sshd? o.o |
| 13:06.14 | babilen | jiawei: Then do not install the desktop task ... You most likely want the standard one though. What is the box used for? What constitutes "as minimal as it can" ? |
| 13:06.35 | jiawei | babilen: for a game server , only has 512RAM so i need it to be extremely minimal |
| 13:06.46 | babilen | that is not minimal ;) |
| 13:06.54 | jiawei | babilen: o.o? |
| 13:06.59 | babilen | Yeah, do not install any tasks but the standard one and you should be fine. :) |
| 13:07.28 | buhman | jiawei: ... and sshd :P |
| 13:07.54 | babilen | buhman: not necessarily |
| 13:08.03 | buhman | jiawei: you'll need to install your jre post-installation afaik |
| 13:08.04 | jiawei | buhman: what is sshd actually ? oh and by the way can you have a static ip and another computer using dhcp in the same network? |
| 13:08.13 | buhman | jiawei: ... of course |
| 13:08.23 | jiawei | buhman: whats afaik |
| 13:08.37 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:08.38 | buhman | jiawei: as far as I know |
| 13:08.39 | babilen | jiawei: sshd is the SSH daemon which will allow you to login to your server from another box. |
| 13:08.53 | babilen | jiawei: AFAIK is "as far as I know" |
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| 13:09.18 | babilen | is slow and works on answers FIFO |
| 13:09.19 | jiawei | i see. would a business card install be better? |
| 13:09.20 | buhman | jiawei: and you'll describe your static configuration in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:09.25 | buhman | jiawei: no |
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| 13:09.37 | dhbiker | hi there |
| 13:09.57 | dhbiker | anyone here uses Asus Xonar Essence ST ? |
| 13:10.03 | babilen | jiawei: The difference between the ISOs are the number of packages that are on the CDs/DVDs -- You can install the same system with all of them, but the smaller ones need to download packages from the internet. |
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| 13:10.38 | buhman | swears [R] in ##linux has OoOE |
| 13:10.39 | wols | %anoyne uses Asus Xonar Essence ST |
| 13:10.48 | wols | %anyone uses Asus Xonar Essence ST |
| 13:10.53 | wols | oh well |
| 13:10.58 | jiawei | babilen: ahh ok . |
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| 13:12.00 | babilen | jiawei: If you have a working internet connection I would recommend the netinstall. |
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| 13:12.13 | jiawei | babilen: yup i do , downloading it right now |
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| 13:15.04 | toad_ | hmmm, is ext4 stable? |
| 13:15.22 | thewanderer1 | toad_: yes |
| 13:15.54 | thewanderer1 | guys, how do I get mod_logio for Apache2 on Debian? |
| 13:16.07 | thewanderer1 | or any other equivalent accounting tool |
| 13:16.20 | toad_ | thinks i have found a reiser3-OOo interaction :| |
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| 13:16.56 | Dulcin | is it possible to view images or videos from the CLI? |
| 13:17.00 | thewanderer1 | or where I would find the list of modules compiled into Apache2 in Debian... a list of used ./configure flags? |
| 13:17.04 | Dulcin | guess not huh |
| 13:17.19 | cahoot | Dulcin, from console? |
| 13:17.34 | cahoot | (as opposed to from a terminal in X) |
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| 13:18.32 | cahoot | Dulcin, from console - I'd guess yes with the use of a framebuffer |
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| 13:18.48 | thewanderer1 | Dulcin: or you can convert them to ASCII art... :P |
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| 13:19.01 | Dulcin | cahoot: yeah I'm connected with putty to my NAS |
| 13:19.12 | koeart | since my last debian upgrade i have a problem with my gnome-network manager |
| 13:19.13 | thewanderer1 | PuTTY != console |
| 13:19.13 | koeart | it seems to set the mac-address of (all) my devices to aa:00:04:00:0a:04 which is strange because i explicitly configured them with the nm-settings-editor |
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| 13:19.45 | Dulcin | I figured it would be nice to open videos located on my nas through putty :D |
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| 13:20.12 | thewanderer1 | Dulcin: go refigure... install an HTTP server or something :P |
| 13:20.31 | Dulcin | it does run apache |
| 13:20.39 | Dulcin | i guess i can play with that |
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| 13:21.22 | barf | What is the smallest most efficient way to run similar to apache w mod-py? |
| 13:21.26 | barf | nginx? |
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| 13:21.40 | skilz | how can I get a picture of tux in the top left of my console screen like this ---> http://jailbreakscene.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/debian-penguin-shot.png |
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| 13:23.09 | cahoot | framebuffer |
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| 13:26.19 | pzn | using debian stable. is there anything that I can program as a trigger to be executed before deleting a file on filesystem? suppose someone executes "rm file" and I want to trigger a real-time backup action before file is removed. it is possible? |
| 13:27.13 | dhbiker | is there any repo for alsa 1.0.24 ? |
| 13:27.16 | skilz | whats the package I need to install for framebuffer? |
| 13:27.40 | thewanderer1 | bleh. what do I do if I can't kill -9 chromium-browser? its state is R |
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| 13:29.49 | thewanderer1 | even "ps aux" hangs :/ |
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| 13:30.42 | jaakkos | pzn: are you sure that is a good idea? you could look at systemtap. |
| 13:30.43 | Ras | Hi, when i boot in rescue mode, i'm not connected to internet, even though I'm in ethernet (that was working during installation) |
| 13:30.58 | Ras | do I have something special to do to activate it ? |
| 13:31.13 | thewanderer1 | alright, I'm seeing this: INFO: task chromium-browse:2017 blocked for more than 120 seconds... the homes are on NFS... |
| 13:32.17 | jaakkos | pzn: i don't think systemtap can help you hook things the way you want unfortunately |
| 13:32.44 | jaakkos | LD_PRELOAD could work |
| 13:32.59 | pzn | jaakkos, maybe it is not a good idea, but I'd like to give a try :-) intend to do this for imap folders filesystem, intend to make a real-time mail backup moving files before user deletes it. |
| 13:33.32 | jaakkos | try to hook the calls with LD_PRELOAD |
| 13:34.06 | pzn | jaakkos, thanks, that should work. |
| 13:34.32 | thewanderer1 | great, now I'm getting zombie processes and some state line like this: SNLl ... |
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| 13:35.35 | thewanderer1 | also, SysRQ sync (S) hangs indefinitely |
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| 13:36.10 | frikinz | I'm about to finish the upgrade from debian 5 to 6, remains some complicated things. How can I be sure I can revert? Use etckeeper and keep aptitude history? |
| 13:36.41 | jaakkos | pzn: you could then use /etc/ld.so.preload |
| 13:36.50 | totte | What directories would one usually find the scripts that control the LED on a device at boot and shutdown? I know the path to the LED itself and am able to turn it on and off manually, but can't seem to find the scripts used at boot and shutdown. |
| 13:37.22 | Dulcin | what happens if a package is not added to the /etc/apt/sources.list? I see in tutorials you have to add it there before installing packages but I can't seem to find out why? |
| 13:38.01 | pzn | jaakkos, yes, for a system wide preload |
| 13:38.07 | pzn | jaakkos, thanks! |
| 13:38.32 | jaakkos | yeah, however the more you can limit it, the better, i think :) |
| 13:38.59 | jaakkos | what happens if someone deletes a file on your backup mount point? ;) |
| 13:39.03 | jaakkos | if you do it like that |
| 13:39.50 | jaakkos | i think you must carefully make it exclude such operations |
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| 13:40.56 | Bushmills | Dulcin: you don't add packages to source.list. you add package repositories. |
| 13:41.22 | Bushmills | sources.list ... |
| 13:41.23 | Dulcin | ok, but still I dont understand, I am able to install packages without adding them to the sources.list file |
| 13:41.30 | Dulcin | what's the difference? |
| 13:41.43 | Bushmills | no, you aren't. unless cached locally, from earlier downloads |
| 13:42.31 | Dulcin | hmm, well I saw a git tutorial and it told me to add it and i skipped the part and simply did apt-get git |
| 13:42.35 | Dulcin | and i was able to work with it? |
| 13:43.02 | Dulcin | does that mean it was already installed by default? |
| 13:43.03 | Bushmills | git is in debian main |
| 13:43.10 | Dulcin | i see |
| 13:43.35 | Dulcin | so it should already be in the sources.list then? |
| 13:43.47 | Bushmills | apt-cache policy <package name> shows you where it comes from |
| 13:45.18 | Dulcin | awesome, thanks Bushmills |
| 13:45.47 | Dulcin | is there also a way to see what's in debian main somewhere? |
| 13:46.07 | themill | dselect tell Dulcin about search |
| 13:46.54 | Bushmills | http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 13:47.02 | themill | Dulcin: there are tens of thousands of packages in debian... a list isn't really what you want. |
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| 13:48.18 | Dulcin | i see, well this is all very educational for me though :D thanks for all the help |
| 13:48.20 | thewanderer1 | Dulcin: you can enable only main sources and call: apt-cache search "" |
| 13:49.50 | Dulcin | holy! that sure showed me a lot :D |
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| 14:00.36 | brixsat | hello i have a problem with wackamole " Conf_init: My proc id (127.0.1.1) is not in con$ Exit caused by Alarm(EXIT)" any one able to help? |
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| 14:07.55 | xelister | for firefox/iceweasel |
| 14:08.17 | lapsusbrutus | I created a lvm logical volume in system-config-lvm and it put itself to /dev/dm-0 in fstab.. shouldnt it be /dev/mapper/name? (it also got dump=1 pass=2. but I changed dump to 0 manually) apart from some errors telling me to Ctrl-D in the startup, the lvm volume mounts and all look well.. |
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| 14:08.23 | xelister | is there a patch when you try to re-open already running Profile, |
| 14:08.33 | xelister | that it could allow something like "murder that bitch" |
| 14:08.44 | xelister | instead of stupid "profile is already running" message |
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| 14:31.23 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: 90% of us have learned to live with it. |
| 14:31.57 | jhutchins_lt | xelister: It just requires being a little smarter about how you launch new windows. |
| 14:33.11 | Bushmills | xelister: a start script, like executing something like pkill firefox; firefox |
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| 14:35.21 | Bushmills | maybe pkill firefox && sleep 3; firefox |
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| 14:39.44 | ksx4system | test |
| 14:39.56 | Bushmills | fail |
| 14:40.00 | babilen | ksx4system: Please test somewhere else (in #test for example) |
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| 14:43.47 | Pinchiukas | Is there a place in Debian I should put my firewall scripts in? |
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| 14:47.37 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: I belive you are supose to save your iptables state and then its loaded at boot. But if you want to write you own its best to write a start/stop/reload script and put it into /etc/init.d then use update-rc.d to throw it in the desired run levels |
| 14:48.54 | Pinchiukas | somiaj: save where? |
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| 14:49.31 | jiawei | hey guys , when i boot into my debian CLI , the first letter of all my commands cannot be seen . how do i fix this? |
| 14:50.29 | wols | jiawei: using ssh? |
| 14:50.34 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables seems to ahve useful info |
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| 14:50.42 | jiawei | wols: yep |
| 14:50.57 | wols | what ssh client? |
| 14:51.06 | jiawei | wols: how do i check? |
| 14:51.24 | wols | you know what ssh program you use. it's the one YOU start |
| 14:51.38 | Pinchiukas | somiaj: it seems to me that it doesn't. :) |
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| 14:51.45 | jiawei | wols: err i didn't start anything , just did a netinst |
| 14:51.54 | wols | do you even know what ssh is? |
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| 14:52.13 | jiawei | wols: not really :P |
| 14:52.13 | wols | I asked if you were using ssh when it happens, and you said "yes" |
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| 14:52.26 | jiawei | wols: i installed ssh , thats what i know |
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| 14:52.31 | wols | then before you answer make sure you understand the question next time or there is no helping you |
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| 14:52.49 | jiawei | wols: ok im sorry. |
| 14:52.52 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: well I see a few google links, but if you already have scripts that can start/stop/reload your iptables, just put it in /etc/init.d/ and then use update-rc.d to put it in the runlevels |
| 14:53.18 | shirish | hi all, does anybody know of any other command (other than file) which tells about what kind of a particular file, a file is. |
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| 14:53.30 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: http://www.ubuntucy.org/wiki/index.php/A_persistent_iptables_startup_script_for_Debian_based_systems -- has a simple and more complacated example of such a script |
| 14:53.45 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: the 'original script' is probabaly enough unless you want the more complicated one there |
| 14:53.53 | shirish | for instance I know that by default almost all *.o libraries are nothing but shared libraries. |
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| 14:54.17 | shirish | file gives me a library such as e$ file editor_main.o |
| 14:54.18 | shirish | editor_main.o: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), not stripped |
| 14:54.18 | valdyn | shirish: except that they are not |
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| 14:54.30 | shirish | valdyn: what do you mean ? |
| 14:54.51 | valdyn | shirish: shared libraries end in .so |
| 14:55.07 | shirish | valdyn: then what are *.o files ? |
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| 14:55.32 | valdyn | shirish: usually object files |
| 14:56.06 | shirish | valdyn: where can I find some layman info. on object files ? |
| 14:56.11 | jiawei | hey guys , when i boot into my debian CLI , the first letter of all my commands cannot be seen . how do i fix this? |
| 14:56.30 | valdyn | shirish: in gcc documentation |
| 14:56.31 | Bushmills | jiawei: press "auto" on your monitor |
| 14:56.53 | jiawei | Bushmills: my button is busted |
| 14:57.00 | jiawei | Bushmills: thats why im asking |
| 14:57.09 | Bushmills | sounds like a hardware problem |
| 14:57.35 | jiawei | Bushmills: any ways to fix it? |
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| 14:58.04 | Bushmills | set it up manually. horizontal position. |
| 14:58.20 | jiawei | Bushmills: may i know from which file can i do that? |
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| 15:03.34 | frikinz | Is there a procedure or any info, link for reverting upgrade? I have still a few packages to upgrade to have a real debian 6 but it might be complicated (tomcat, database, php,..). I am only thinking about etckeeper (/etc in git) and aptitude/dpkg history to revert. The extreme would be a system backup but I can't think of restoring the complete system over a ssh link. |
| 15:03.44 | frikinz | Any experience welcome |
| 15:04.35 | jiawei | hey guys , when i boot into my debian CLI , the first letter of all my commands cannot be seen . how do i fix this? |
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| 15:06.52 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 15:07.28 | eptalon | I was wondering, has iceweasel been updated yet, to reflect firefox 5? |
| 15:07.53 | frikinz | eptalon: yes in experimental |
| 15:08.27 | frikinz | eptalon: but I discover now that the 4 is not yet in unstable o_O |
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| 15:08.49 | eptalon | frikinz: sid is at 3.5.18... |
| 15:09.17 | shirish | valdyn: I installed gcc-doc and gcc-4.4-doc, any hints where I can find some simple reference to object files ? |
| 15:09.37 | valdyn | shirish: google "gcc object file", first hit |
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| 15:11.47 | eptalon | frikinz: bug 632890; but I guess that's experimental |
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| 15:14.12 | shirish | valdyn: thank you. |
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| 15:17.54 | frikinz | eptalon: what does ff5 add? |
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| 15:18.01 | frikinz | compared to ff4 |
| 15:18.45 | eptalon | frikinz: FF 5 is a major new release, compared to ff 3.5/3.6 |
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| 15:19.13 | valdyn | frikinz: gets it closer to 10, mainly, they changed their release numbering |
| 15:19.18 | SpeedyG | hm, anyone here know what might be the reaseon that after a restart, my screen resolution changed to 1024x768 and that has become the max reso ? |
| 15:19.28 | valdyn | frikinz: every small update is now a new major number |
| 15:20.27 | frikinz | ah yes this version numbering process change. |
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| 15:25.34 | jiawei | how do i set up a static ip with port forwarding? |
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| 15:28.54 | vlt | jiawei: Static IP in /etc/network/interfaces, port forwarding with iptables command (can be put to the interfaces file) |
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| 15:29.28 | jiawei | vlt: iptables command not found |
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| 15:30.29 | vlt | jiawei: As root? |
| 15:30.35 | jiawei | yes |
| 15:31.27 | jiawei | vlt: ok i wasn't root |
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| 15:32.12 | jiawei | the first words of all my commands are missing , how do i fix this? |
| 15:32.19 | jaakkos | SpeedyG: proper display drivers are not loading |
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| 15:32.40 | SpeedyG | jaakkos: it appeared to be so.. restarting kdm kinda solved it (for now) |
| 15:32.43 | jaakkos | perhaps because modules are not compiled for your new kernel |
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| 15:33.26 | dwep | hmpf, i've un-muted ati r6xx hdmi in alsamixer and checked the box iec958 in the volume controls, but it still won't work |
| 15:33.31 | dwep | any1? |
| 15:33.31 | SpeedyG | jaakkos: no clue, I just followed the debian guideline for the nvidia driver installation (using aptitude) |
| 15:33.59 | dwep | the hdmi-sound that is |
| 15:34.04 | jiawei | how do i manually move the screen to the right? |
| 15:34.08 | frikinz | ah these graphic cards problem |
| 15:34.53 | dwep | freakin' annoying, especially since my speakers are located quite far from the tv :3 |
| 15:36.27 | m8 | Anyone have installed guitarpro6 in debian? |
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| 15:36.31 | m8 | *has |
| 15:38.45 | boudiccas | jiawei; pick the monitor up and turn to the right and put the monitor down. Job done! |
| 15:39.44 | jiawei | boudiccas: -.- |
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| 15:58.03 | shirish | valdyn: know of anything other than the file command to know about a file. The file command is cryptic or not layman-friendly. |
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| 15:58.44 | bocaneri | Huh> |
| 15:59.24 | valdyn | shirish: rightclick -> properties on various file managers |
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| 15:59.34 | dwep | hmpf, no sound w/ wmv-files |
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| 16:00.24 | valdyn | shirish: however "layman" should not have to inspect files for their type really |
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| 16:01.42 | bocaneri | I didn't think anybody asking about object files would have found the file command "layman-unfriendly". |
| 16:01.51 | dwep | is there any simple solution for having the audio working when playing wmv-files? |
| 16:02.05 | shirish | bocaneri: i am not a programmer, just a curious onlooker. |
| 16:02.37 | shirish | bocaneri: I do compile some small apps/game from time to time and hence was curious about them . |
| 16:02.39 | bocaneri | I encourage you to become friends with the file command, though. It's great for "curiously on-looking". |
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| 16:02.57 | GuySoft | hi all, gimp wont start for me on debian, after upgrade |
| 16:03.15 | cahoot | try from a terminal to catch error msg |
| 16:03.31 | shirish | bocaneri: I know its just that sometimes I don't know what it means when it gives some output . |
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| 16:04.02 | dwep | are there any extra codecs that need to be installed? i'm using vlc atm |
| 16:04.17 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 16:04.22 | valdyn | %dmm |
| 16:04.22 | dselect | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 16:04.28 | shirish | bocaneri: here is the output for a configure.ac file/script |
| 16:04.29 | shirish | file configure.ac configure.ac: ASCII M4 macro language pre-processor text |
| 16:04.29 | bocaneri | The nature of that output is actually separate from the command itself - the output is taken from a database of file types and I agree those descriptions aren't always really helpful. |
| 16:04.30 | valdyn | dwep: ^^^, w32codecs is a packagae |
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| 16:04.50 | dwep | valdyn: ah, thx |
| 16:04.56 | dwep | but, how about for 64-bit? |
| 16:04.58 | valdyn | shirish: thats precise, i dont know what you would want instead |
| 16:05.07 | valdyn | dwep: w64codecs |
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| 16:05.19 | dwep | valdyn: gr8, will try asap |
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| 16:05.29 | shirish | valdyn: right. The thing is I do not know what 'ASCII M4 macro language pre-processor text' means |
| 16:05.41 | bocaneri | Yea,, valdyn,, shirish, not everybody is going to know what m4 is. |
| 16:05.46 | valdyn | shirish: the words you dont understand can be googled |
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| 16:06.28 | valdyn | shirish: its hard to be precise and yet short and easy to understand. In this case probably impossible |
| 16:06.55 | bocaneri | Dunno about "hard" - include wikipedia links! :D |
| 16:07.57 | wols | anyone who is to dense to look at google and wikipedia themselves is too dense to understand what google and wikipedia tell him anyways |
| 16:08.00 | wols | so it's no use |
| 16:08.59 | valdyn | the thing is, the help text that are "easy" ( like on windows ) are usually totally useless to *me* |
| 16:09.03 | shirish | wols: not getting the point. The point I was trying to make/understand if there were an alternative to file comand. |
| 16:09.29 | shirish | now from what I understand the 'file' command/package is/was for programmers who know stuff, not for newbies. |
| 16:09.52 | shirish | the file-manager as valdyn states above does not give more info. i.e. too generic. |
| 16:10.05 | shirish | looking for an in-between solution. |
| 16:10.14 | valdyn | shirish: id by surprised if any fm covered technical stuff like m4 anyway |
| 16:10.18 | bocaneri | valdyn, re your comment on Windows error messages: thank you! I thought my English had gone South when I couldn't use them. |
| 16:10.43 | bocaneri | m4 is kinda arcane, ain't it? |
| 16:10.52 | valdyn | %me |
| 16:10.54 | valdyn | %m4 |
| 16:11.08 | mguy | I changed my root login on accident to /bin/nologin |
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| 16:11.24 | mguy | I don't have sudo, how can I change it back to /bin/sh? I can't su or ssh in or anything |
| 16:11.26 | valdyn | bocaneri: older than sysv anyway |
| 16:11.32 | mguy | The server is also remote |
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| 16:12.15 | shirish | bocaneri: valdyn: the thing is I have been compiling a game in development called allacrost . see allacrost.org |
| 16:12.44 | shirish | after cloning/downloading it ( they use subversion) |
| 16:13.00 | valdyn | shirish: maybe the best alternative is google / various file suffix databases on the web |
| 16:13.22 | shirish | the first command one has to fire is gamedirectory$autoreconf -i |
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| 16:14.10 | shirish | I came to know somehow (do not remember how) that it basically hooks or does something from configure.ac and makes the simple ./configure script that is known from all. |
| 16:14.11 | valdyn | shirish: the binary packages don't work? |
| 16:14.25 | shirish | valdyn: sometimes they work, sometime they don't. |
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| 16:14.51 | shirish | valdyn: also I'm on 64-bit. |
| 16:15.05 | valdyn | shirish: theres amd64 package |
| 16:15.17 | shirish | valdyn: care to give more info. on shirish: maybe the best alternative is google / various file suffix databases on the web |
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| 16:15.25 | shirish | valdyn: please elaborate on this part . |
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| 16:16.54 | valdyn | shirish: well, i google m4, first hit is the homepage of the gnu m4 macro processor |
| 16:17.25 | valdyn | shirish: on the other hand, knowing about m4 is totally useless for compiling your game anyway |
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| 16:18.01 | valdyn | ( unless you want to patch the autoconf stuff, but then you wouldnt be asking about m4 in the first place ) |
| 16:18.07 | dwep | valdyn: no got w/ w64codecs, keep getting an error message in vlc saying wmap is not supported? |
| 16:18.16 | valdyn | dwep: no idea |
| 16:18.28 | dwep | hmpf |
| 16:18.54 | GuySoft | cahoot, (gimp:10925): GLib-WARNING **: /build/buildd-glib2.0_2.28.6-1-i386-A3fp41/glib2.0-2.28.6/./glib/goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0 |
| 16:18.56 | GuySoft | thats it |
| 16:18.58 | shirish | valdyn: true, its the first step only, I know that nowadays in most of the games when one has to compile, this step is not necessary (means the developer do it for you, or is automated or something) |
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| 16:20.21 | valdyn | shirish: wich source are you using? |
| 16:20.26 | zykotick9 | dwep, perhaps you could try mplayer to see if it can play the wmap file(s)? I'm not sure VLC even uses the w##codec packages. |
| 16:20.37 | shirish | valdyn: what do you mean by which source ? |
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| 16:21.06 | valdyn | shirish: where exactly did you get it? |
| 16:21.17 | shirish | valdyn: you mean the game, here's the svn repo url |
| 16:21.28 | shirish | valdyn: https://allacrost.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/allacrost/trunk/game |
| 16:21.41 | shirish | valdyn: taken from svn info in the game. |
| 16:22.01 | shirish | valdyn: the site URL of the game is allacrost.org |
| 16:22.13 | bocaneri | I still wanna know what Debian doesn't by default install sudo. |
| 16:22.28 | valdyn | bocaneri: why would it? |
| 16:22.35 | pzn | is there any tool for tunneling a tcp connection inside an udp connection? firewall is blocks tcp and I need to ssh outside. |
| 16:22.39 | zykotick9 | shirish, did you notice the option: Linux (from apt) - for Debian, Ubuntu, and other Debian-based distribution |
| 16:22.46 | bocaneri | Mine always have. |
| 16:23.04 | valdyn | bocaneri: youre picking something in tasksel maybe |
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| 16:23.42 | shirish | zykotick9: please elaborate what you are talking about ? clueless |
| 16:23.43 | bocaneri | Possibly, but a sudoless debian is something I've never seen. |
| 16:23.53 | zykotick9 | shirish, http://allacrost.org/download |
| 16:24.16 | shirish | zykotick9: ah yes, but that is just a demo for now, the game they are building/developing is in trunk. |
| 16:24.33 | zykotick9 | shirish, ok |
| 16:24.37 | Toa | I'm running Squeeze and just got done installing. I installed grub2 to the MBR but all I get is a flashing cursor. Grub never loads. All OSs were listed prior to installing to the MBR. How do I fix this? |
| 16:24.53 | shirish | zykotick9: I did try it, ran into some issues when playing with it. So was recommended to compile and run by the devs. there. |
| 16:24.54 | wols | %fixmbr |
| 16:24.55 | dselect | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 16:25.12 | shirish | wow, nice keyword |
| 16:25.35 | bocaneri | dselect is loaded with them. |
| 16:25.35 | dselect | wish i knew, bocaneri |
| 16:25.45 | Toa | Thanks, wols |
| 16:25.46 | bocaneri | o.O it's an infobot? |
| 16:26.01 | macrobat | dpkg is on vacation |
| 16:26.04 | shirish | bocaneri: think so. |
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| 16:26.21 | shirish | %rescue mode |
| 16:26.21 | dselect | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 16:27.18 | dwep | zykotick9: you're absolutely right, mplayer worked just fine |
| 16:28.24 | zykotick9 | dwep, further evidence that is it mplayer, and not vlc, that can "play anything" on gnu/linux ;) |
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| 16:29.28 | dwep | zykotick9: not the first time i hear that claim! |
| 16:29.57 | bocaneri | You'll hear it again. It's very rare I'll run into something mplayer won't play that vlc will. |
| 16:30.01 | frikinz | pzn: there's dns2tcp |
| 16:30.33 | dwep | how's the support for srt and sub files? |
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| 16:30.54 | bocaneri | In mplayer? I can't live without srt and sub. I'm deaf. |
| 16:31.28 | frikinz | pzn: and probably openvpn (which iirc is on udp) |
| 16:31.38 | dwep | gr8, will give it a go for the next couple of days :> |
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| 16:31.50 | bocaneri | "gracht"? |
| 16:32.03 | pzn | frikinz, nice! I already used openvpn, and yes it can work on udp. thanks for remembering me :-) |
| 16:32.10 | GuySoft | does anyone have problems runnign gimp on sid? |
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| 16:33.13 | plasticle | dwep: i was having that problem yesterday with the wmap and vlc |
| 16:33.34 | kenifanying | hi all, when i plug usb devices on my laptop, i get this error http://paste.debian.net/122434/ , how can i fix it? |
| 16:33.43 | dwep | plasticle: mplayer to the rescue? |
| 16:33.52 | plasticle | dwep: the problem is that the newest versions of wmap are not supported until vlc 1.1.7 |
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| 16:34.08 | zykotick9 | GuySoft, you might want to try asking in #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 16:34.19 | plasticle | and the stable is current 1.1.3 |
| 16:34.23 | dwep | plasticle: ah, latest stable version seems to be 1.1.3 |
| 16:34.27 | plasticle | yep |
| 16:34.44 | macrobat | kenifanying: so, have you tried the suggestion? "dmesg | tail" when plugging/unplugging |
| 16:34.44 | GuySoft | zykotick9, ok |
| 16:35.13 | kenifanying | macrobat, yes, see http://paste.debian.net/122433/ |
| 16:35.22 | plasticle | so i decided to switch to wheezy because i cannot build vlc on 64bit machine... it was a mess |
| 16:35.40 | plasticle | and there are no backports either |
| 16:35.43 | dwep | plasticle: 1.1.10 in wheezy, yep |
| 16:36.17 | kenifanying | macrobat, it's strange that i can mount my usb device via " sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt" and no error occurs. |
| 16:36.51 | kenifanying | macrobat, any suggestions? |
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| 16:37.01 | macrobat | it's a cd-rom reader? |
| 16:37.20 | plasticle | dwep: for some reason i thought switching to wheezy would be easier than simply booting into windows and reencoding the files:) |
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| 16:39.10 | macrobat | smplayer is nice |
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| 16:41.07 | edju | Having a pot of troubkle with akonadi, and what I've found on the web is mostly gibberish to me. Evidently, I need apparmor? What th heck is the package name? |
| 16:41.08 | wols | kenifanying: what automounter do you use? |
| 16:41.57 | kenifanying | macrobat, I remember that a few days ago I download debian cd and write it to usb via " sudo dd if=Debianxxxx of=/dev/sdc". When I finished the installer, I repatition the usb device via "Disk Utility". When I finished it, and try mount my usb device, the problem occured. Sorry for my English! |
| 16:42.06 | kenifanying | wols, gvfs |
| 16:42.09 | wols | edju: I doubt what you found is applicable to debian. apparmor is not in debian afaik |
| 16:42.15 | boodie | Hi, a small hint; I want to mount a USB device ... lsusb outputs "Bus 001 Device 004: ID 10d6:1101 Actions Semiconductor Co., Ltd D-Wave 2GB MP4 Player / AK1025 MP3/MP4 Player", what file in /dev is it pointing at? |
| 16:42.41 | wols | boodie: check dmesg to find out |
| 16:42.51 | sm1 | hello You'll. |
| 16:42.54 | wols | boodie: ie, plug it in and then run dmesg |
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| 16:43.08 | wols | ,versions apparmor |
| 16:43.11 | judd | Package apparmor on i386 -- sid: 2.6.1-4 |
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| 16:43.40 | boodie | [ 3225.174675] usb-storage: device found at 4 |
| 16:43.50 | dwep | plasticle: but if the vlc-related was the only problem you were having you could've just installed w64codecs and played wmap in mplayer |
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| 16:44.30 | sm1 | I'm wondering if there is a debian download server for/in Saudi Arabia, or even nearby. |
| 16:44.46 | wols | %mirrors |
| 16:44.46 | dselect | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 16:45.57 | sm1 | thanks wols i've just made the test for the best download server .. |
| 16:46.54 | winter | o/ |
| 16:46.54 | themill | %geo sources.list |
| 16:46.54 | dselect | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar. |
| 16:47.04 | themill | sm1: ^^ that will normally be quite sufficient for you |
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| 16:47.53 | sm1 | alright themill , imma give i a go .. thanks buddy. |
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| 16:48.14 | macrobat | kenifanying: your english is fine. if you do a repartition, the debian iso will not be on dev/sdc anymore |
| 16:48.30 | macrobat | and i think it needs to be there |
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| 16:50.00 | macrobat | i'm going away for a while |
| 16:50.25 | kenifanying | macrobat, but how to fix it? |
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| 16:52.18 | Traumatizer | Ehm this might sound like the most nooby questions you ever heard |
| 16:52.23 | Traumatizer | But how do i shutdown Debian |
| 16:52.33 | Traumatizer | without pressing the power button on my PC? |
| 16:52.33 | valdyn | Traumatizer: the power button |
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| 16:52.43 | kenifanying | Traumatizer, system--> shutdown |
| 16:52.50 | Traumatizer | Ahh |
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| 16:52.53 | Traumatizer | thanks kenifanying :D |
| 16:53.06 | Traumatizer | They hid that pretty well |
| 16:53.16 | kenifanying | Traumatizer, :-) |
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| 16:54.01 | jaakkos | really, i think you should remember halt -p or shutdown -h now |
| 16:54.12 | jaakkos | becomes handy sooner or later. |
| 16:54.12 | sm1 | alright themill , i've added the line from the eample and removed the old one. |
| 16:54.23 | jaakkos | meh, he already left |
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| 16:56.05 | kenifanying | jaakkos, yes,but if you use squeeze, it's not necessary. |
| 16:56.39 | jaakkos | well, what if you ssh to the machine |
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| 16:57.18 | Toa | %supergrub |
| 16:57.18 | dselect | [supergrub] Super Grub Disk, a fork of <GRUB>, is available for download at http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ . It can be used to repair existing GRUB installations, see http://www.supergrubdisk.org/w/index.php5?title=FixBootOfLinuxOption . See also <fixmbr>. |
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| 16:58.20 | Arpd | hi, is there any way to find out which colours my console uses? |
| 16:58.29 | Arpd | the 'proper' console, not a terminal emulator. |
| 16:58.38 | Arpd | Like is there a standard set of colours or what? |
| 16:59.27 | kenifanying | %fixmbr |
| 16:59.27 | dselect | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 17:02.30 | arenlor | I have Iceweasel beta in my sources, and it wants to update to (presumably) 6.0, but xulrunner-6.0 requires libsqlite3-0 3.7.4 or better, and even though I have backports pinned, it's not available in squeeze, where can I find it? |
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| 17:03.43 | edju | Can't start akonadi, so kmail crashes. Error msg - it's not registered at dbus. If anyone has a pointer to a discussion in something resembling English, I'd appreciate hearing it. The more tailored to the simple-minded, the better. |
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| 17:05.08 | kenifanying | arenlor, go http://packages.debian.org , and search "libsqlite". |
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| 17:05.51 | shirish | arenlor: that is strange, are you sure you have updated your index. |
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| 17:06.25 | shirish | arenlor: please update the index and I clearly see ibsqlite3-0 as being available in stable. |
| 17:06.40 | arenlor | shirish, It's the version of it that's the issue. |
| 17:07.49 | wols | ,versions libsqlite3-0 |
| 17:07.50 | judd | Package libsqlite3-0 on i386 -- lenny: 3.5.9-6; lenny-backports: 3.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.7.3-1; sid: 3.7.7-2; wheezy: 3.7.7-2 |
| 17:08.06 | wols | arenlor: you cannot,however, simply install it from sid |
| 17:08.09 | wols | or wheezy |
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| 17:08.39 | shirish | arenlor: ah, then probably you need to have experimental added to your sources.list. |
| 17:08.56 | wols | shirish: no he does not |
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| 17:09.26 | shirish | $ apt-show-versions -a iceweasel |
| 17:09.26 | shirish | iceweasel 5.0-2 install ok installed |
| 17:09.26 | shirish | iceweasel 3.5.16-6 stable http.us.debian.org |
| 17:09.26 | shirish | iceweasel 3.5.19-3 testing http.us.debian.org |
| 17:09.26 | shirish | iceweasel 3.5.19-3 sid http.us.debian.org |
| 17:09.27 | shirish | iceweasel 5.0-2 experimental http.us.debian.org |
| 17:09.27 | shirish | iceweasel 6.0~b1-1 experimental mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:09.28 | shirish | iceweasel/experimental uptodate 5.0-2 |
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| 17:09.58 | wols | shirish: don't do that |
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| 17:10.12 | wildc4rd | evenin' all! |
| 17:10.29 | arenlor | wols: I'll just assume that it was mistakenly pushed to squeeze then. |
| 17:10.38 | shirish | wols: sorry. |
| 17:10.39 | wols | arenlor: what was? |
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| 17:11.08 | arenlor | wols, Version 6.0 of iceweasel |
| 17:11.11 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 17:11.20 | stew | arenlor: it certainly wasn't in squeeze |
| 17:11.41 | stew | http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html |
| 17:11.46 | wols | stew: what people think belongs squeeze is a bit different from what you know does :) |
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| 17:11.55 | wols | *belongs to |
| 17:11.58 | arenlor | It's under mozilla.debian.net in squeeze-backports iceweasel-beta |
| 17:11.59 | shirish | arenlor: I do not think its in stable, however mike hommey the guy behind the iceweasel packages made a firefox wrapper, read it in planet.debian.org sometime ago. |
| 17:12.37 | stew | arenlor: yes, and that isn't by mistake |
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| 17:13.27 | arenlor | stew, I think it is, as it can't be updated |
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| 17:18.58 | mplabs | Hello all! |
| 17:19.12 | mplabs | Does anyone know where audacious saves its configuration file? I couldn't find it |
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| 17:20.00 | zykotick9 | mplabs, ~/.config/audacious |
| 17:20.10 | plasticle | mplabs: i believe its ~/.config/audacious |
| 17:20.34 | mplabs | thank you! |
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| 17:21.25 | stew | arenlor: what do you mean? |
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| 17:22.31 | stew | arenlor: you might read http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 |
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| 17:25.38 | scx | hello |
| 17:25.56 | straingr | hi |
| 17:26.10 | scx | i want to boot Debian on ARM Smartbook |
| 17:26.18 | scx | which image i should use? |
| 17:26.48 | scx | 1) debian-6.0.2.1-armel-CD-1.iso 2) debian-6.0.2.1-armel-netinst.iso 3) debian-6.0.2.1-armel-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso 4) debian-update-6.0.2.1-armel-CD-1.iso |
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| 17:27.19 | scx | i want to boot system from pendrive or SD Flash card |
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| 17:30.10 | arenlor | stew, I'm using the beta channel. When I went to update today I got this: xulrunner-6.0: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.7.4) but 3.7.3-1 is installed. 3.7.4 though is not available to squeeze in backports or otherwise. Therefore I'm assuming that it was a mistake. |
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| 17:36.48 | oobe | scx, use the xfce lxde its just easier |
| 17:37.11 | oobe | if you want to start with nothing i.e a minimal install then install the rest online use the netinst |
| 17:37.24 | zykotick9 | I'm interested in removing d-m repository from my system. The VLC forum has a suggested path at http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=70719 which basically includes: remove from source.list; update; apt-get remove libavutil* What I'd like to do first is list all packages installed from d-m. [Why? I've tried to roll back to Debian's mplayer, but am getting error with libavformat.so.52 -- the only thing I'll really miss is the easy install f |
| 17:37.24 | zykotick9 | or handbrake] |
| 17:37.35 | mplabs | is "soundcore" the name of the module of the onboard sound card? |
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| 17:38.38 | mplabs | never mind :P |
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| 17:40.46 | gGyklone | How can I use find to search for files with numbers in them so like i want to find all files with that look like this temp.cache.12334 |
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| 17:44.08 | mplabs | what about find -name \d\d* ? |
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| 17:50.38 | mplabs | nevyn, hello |
| 17:50.48 | mplabs | some days ago I asked you about a usb sound card |
| 17:51.13 | mplabs | did you have to add/change any configuration file in order to use it? |
| 17:51.36 | mplabs | I bought one but I can't make it the default sound card :| |
| 17:52.00 | mplabs | (it's working but I have to change the configuration of every app I want to use with it) |
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| 17:52.19 | mplabs | does anyone know any better way? |
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| 17:57.02 | sm1 | just to make it sure , does this looks right http://paste.debian.net/122445/ |
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| 17:57.36 | zitune | Hello |
| 17:57.42 | sm1 | hey |
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| 17:58.44 | shirish | does anybody know about mercurial/hg here ? |
| 17:59.37 | luxor__ | hi here, i have an issue on my debian, i have no sound anymore, only output working is... flash player |
| 17:59.50 | luxor__ | i tryed with vlc, cvlc, smplayer and other player |
| 18:00.18 | luxor__ | in my system settings i can see only internal audio analog stereo |
| 18:00.49 | luxor__ | alsa cannot provide me more info, so where is my : 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 18:01.19 | luxor__ | sory my alsa can see my realtek ALC883 |
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| 18:04.47 | twanny796 | how can I see which files are installed when installing a package? |
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| 18:07.31 | sm1 | luxor__: maybe the driver is not installed for it. |
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| 18:08.06 | sm1 | twanny796: apt-cache show package , iirc. |
| 18:08.07 | luxor__ | well but why adobe flash work well so ? |
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| 18:08.36 | luxor__ | i currently listening a web radio using flash so system can send data to soundcard... |
| 18:09.12 | luxor__ | and when i change master volume in Kmix, volume change also so master is well set up |
| 18:09.15 | shirish | hi all, does anybody where the content for 'hg log' live . I know it lives somewhere in the .hg directory of a repo but where therein, anybody knows ? |
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| 18:11.29 | raldakejla | hi, I added the mozilla repo and now when i apt-get update I get this line |
| 18:11.30 | raldakejla | W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/Release Unable to find expected entry iceweasel-6.0/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 18:11.36 | raldakejla | any ideas on what i should do? |
| 18:12.14 | twanny796 | sm1: 10x |
| 18:12.24 | adminewb | I may have exposed a bug in dkms: it seems to behave inconsistently for whether to prefix a module version with 'v' for use in locating it in the directory tree |
| 18:12.35 | sm1 | luxor__: i have no clue of why is it woking with flash but not within any app. |
| 18:12.44 | sm1 | twanny796: hmm? |
| 18:13.07 | edju | Can't start akonadi, so kmail crashes. Error msg - it's not registered at dbus. Tried searching for a solution but not successful. If anyone has a pointer to a discussion in something resembling English, I'd appreciate hearing it. The more tailored to the simple-minded, the better. |
| 18:14.16 | sm1 | luxor__: check if this is a similar issue .. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52456 |
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| 18:15.41 | adminewb | thoughts? |
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| 18:17.33 | twanny796 | sm1: thanks, ;) |
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| 18:19.06 | laughtrip | hi :) i am new to debian since 3 days. my host installed it for me on a vps and installed webmin. i then installed apache, and after editing some of the config files, i screwed up the apache2.conf file before i backed it up. how can i properly completely remove apache and reinstall it? i tried: apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-utils and the apache2-common, but it did not remove the |
| 18:19.06 | laughtrip | config files. |
| 18:19.10 | sm1 | Man! sometimes i get confused with the why dpkg works , i've just tried to install lshw and now it's says some packages will be removed! |
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| 18:20.17 | adminewb | sm1, check whether lshw conflicts with those packages it's removing |
| 18:20.31 | wols | laughtrip: dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 18:20.40 | sm1 | twanny796: Aw , you're welcome .. also check out apt-cache policy PACKAGE , apt-cache search PACKAGE. :D |
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| 18:22.10 | sm1 | adminewb: strange! it didn't asked for those packages to be removed with apt-get install lshw. |
| 18:22.46 | laughtrip | what about that, wols? |
| 18:22.59 | wols | laughtrip: put the output in a pastebin |
| 18:23.03 | laughtrip | ok |
| 18:23.07 | adminewb | sm1 without more info, I'd not know what to tell you |
| 18:23.20 | sm1 | adminewb: i can't tell how to find out if lshw is conflicts with those packages! |
| 18:23.34 | sm1 | adminewb: right :) .. hold up |
| 18:23.52 | adminewb | "dpkg -s lshw" gives a start |
| 18:24.18 | laughtrip | wols - http://pastebin.com/ackP8wsG |
| 18:24.55 | sm1 | adminewb: nice one .. |
| 18:25.00 | sm1 | adminewb: http://snipt.org/xlQm |
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| 18:25.23 | wols | laughtrip: erm your apache2 is still fully installed. of course there will be config files for it... |
| 18:25.36 | laughtrip | yes wols i know and that's after i tried to completely remove it |
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| 18:25.50 | wols | apt-get purge apache2.2-common |
| 18:26.13 | adminewb | I'm trying to install a backported kernel to my debian 6.0.2 installation, and want to make sure it has its complement of firmware binaries and modules and things... |
| 18:26.17 | twanny796 | sm1: hmm, Aw ?? |
| 18:26.30 | adminewb | sm1, I guess you said no? |
| 18:26.31 | mplabs | ok, so I already set the usb sound card as the default one but I sill can't listen anything |
| 18:26.33 | laughtrip | wols i am doing that now |
| 18:26.46 | wols | adminewb: get the firmware you need from wheezy |
| 18:26.53 | laughtrip | i think i did not put the .2 in 2.2 when i tried it before |
| 18:27.13 | wols | then apt will tell you with a big fat error |
| 18:27.27 | sm1 | adminewb: cool , bu i don't see any of those packages within dpkg -s lshw thou ..http://snipt.org/xlQn |
| 18:27.32 | luxor | sm1: well simply reboot computer |
| 18:27.32 | adminewb | wols thanks, I think I did; anyway not much in the way of firmware blobs seem to get used |
| 18:27.41 | luxor | long time i did it :D |
| 18:27.52 | sm1 | adminewb: correct. |
| 18:28.10 | adminewb | sm1, looks as if lshw doesn't have any conflicts |
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| 18:28.54 | laughtrip | wols it ran, gave a couple errors, and the conf files aer still there |
| 18:29.02 | adminewb | wols so it's possible that the old firmware will do in place of v3 of firmware-linux-free |
| 18:29.04 | sm1 | twanny796: Aw" as in okay,gotchya .cause i didn't catch what you meant with "10x" :) |
| 18:29.20 | phuzion | Are there any systematic ways to definitively tell the difference between an Ubuntu and Debian system? |
| 18:29.39 | wols | adminewb: yes. firmware is rather static |
| 18:29.42 | sm1 | adminewb: alright cool .. and lshw is installed now with apt-get and went fine. :) |
| 18:29.55 | wols | %version |
| 18:29.56 | dselect | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 18:29.58 | laughtrip | wols i'm trying it again as: apt-get remove --purge apache2.2-common |
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| 18:31.11 | adminewb | wols so anyway, my only semblance of trouble comes with the nonstandard module phc-k8, which dkms likes to kack on... I'm probably doing something wrong |
| 18:31.19 | laughtrip | that way fails too, wols. i'll keep diggin. thanks anyway for the tip. |
| 18:31.48 | wols | adminewb: there is a dkms version of phc? where from? |
| 18:32.01 | wols | %tell laughtrip about bat |
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| 18:32.08 | wols | laughtrip: follow that please |
| 18:32.24 | adminewb | wols, got the source package from linux-phc.org downloads forum |
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| 18:32.40 | adminewb | it is perfectly happy to install for the standard kernel |
| 18:33.09 | wols | and you get an error cause you miss headers? or kbuild? |
| 18:33.32 | sm1 | this is my first time using ( Debian Geo Mirror ) just to make it sure , does this looks right http://paste.debian.net/122445/ |
| 18:34.04 | adminewb | it doesn't seem to get that far. I think there's a source tree associated with phc-k8 that ends up with the wrong directory or symlink name, versionwise probably |
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| 18:34.45 | adminewb | I'll pastebin a command line exchange |
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| 18:34.53 | delpht | hi, i've installed ati radeon drivers on debian squeeze 6.0.2 and my graphics stiil distorted when I move some window on the screen or when I watch a video. What do you suggest me? |
| 18:35.16 | wols | sm1: looks right, but why ca and cdn both in there? |
| 18:35.31 | delpht | my hardware is a pci-e2 ati radeon 4550 HD series |
| 18:35.31 | wols | delpht: you installed it from ati.com? |
| 18:35.38 | delpht | yes, |
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| 18:35.54 | adminewb | oh btw wols, the package does come with a dkms.conf file |
| 18:36.00 | wols | delpht: then we don't support it. #radeon or #ati or #fglrx. dunno remember which |
| 18:36.07 | DeeTah | is there some firefox (not iceweasel) repository available around? |
| 18:36.18 | wols | %tell DeeTah about mozilla |
| 18:36.30 | delpht | so, |
| 18:36.38 | wols | DeeTah: mozilla.debian.net I believe |
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| 18:36.48 | DeeTah | wols: thanks |
| 18:37.02 | zykotick9 | Perhaps my removing d-m was a waste of time. I've encoded all my video files to webm - and it doesn't seem like mplayer or vlc from default debian repo is able to play them (they do work in Iceweasel, but that's not ideal). Is there a way to add support for webm (other then re-adding d-m)? |
| 18:37.05 | stew | DeeTah: (that's iceweasel as well). you realize that iceweasel IS firefox, right? |
| 18:37.17 | DeeTah | yeah, I do |
| 18:37.21 | DeeTah | but I want the real branding |
| 18:37.24 | sm1 | wols: gotchya :) .. i'll remove ca. |
| 18:37.45 | delpht | in ubuntu, when my driver isn't installed yet, my graphics sill better then when I install the drivers from the fglrx, or ati.. |
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| 18:38.16 | jhutchins_lt | DeeTah: Do a ps ax when iceweasel is running, see what turns up. Hit F1 in iceweasel, see what the help page says. |
| 18:38.35 | DeeTah | yeah, I am aware of that |
| 18:38.41 | DeeTah | I just want the real branding :P |
| 18:39.20 | jhutchins_lt | wols: mdn only has iceweassel. |
| 18:39.30 | MrFrood | DeeTah: that is such a non-opensource/debian atitude |
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| 18:40.07 | jhutchins_lt | An icon and a text string is not worth the effort of trying to use the mozilla installer. |
| 18:40.19 | DeeTah | well, it's just the branding attitude. i feel better when I use it with the funny red logo and i'm willing to do more efforts just to get it ;) |
| 18:40.31 | DeeTah | ...mozilla installer? |
| 18:41.29 | huggybear | You should totally get the source code and make a LaCoste browser! |
| 18:41.31 | huggybear | :) |
| 18:41.43 | ompaul | or a deetah one |
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| 18:41.47 | adminewb | wols, http://snipt.org/xlQo, please ignore the "syntax highlighting" and from this I can't tell which part of the dkms script is failing, the error message repeats 3 or 4 places |
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| 18:41.55 | huggybear | hello everyone |
| 18:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | Make it Armani |
| 18:42.01 | ompaul | DeeTah: but then you can't distribute it |
| 18:42.26 | DeeTah | i think i could live with that |
| 18:43.07 | adminewb | it's not plain which subdirectory dkms is concerned about... maybe I can make it verbose for more info |
| 18:43.14 | ompaul | DeeTah: well if you want to install it have fun minding the mozzilla installer, and then when you get a security update be even happier insuring that you do it right cos we don't support it here ;-) |
| 18:43.38 | DeeTah | wth is this mozilla installer? |
| 18:43.51 | huggybear | I'm having a problem with KMail. It says Akonadi isn't working and then is just closing. I've lookd around for fixes on various bug entries, but so far, nothing has worked. Any ideas? (I'm on vanilla Squeeze KDE) |
| 18:43.53 | ompaul | DeeTah: it comes down to this - if debian fixes a bug they can't push that fix to their users |
| 18:44.03 | adminewb | anyway phc-k8 is a case where I'd not expect the same ko file to work for both standard and backports kernel |
| 18:44.05 | ompaul | DeeTah: without the blessing of mozilla |
| 18:44.05 | phorce1 | DeeTah: just download the latest FF tarball, drop it in /usr/local, then point any startup scripts to ise that instead ic iceweasel |
| 18:44.06 | jhutchins_lt | DeeTah: You insist on the firefox "branding" and you don't know what the mozilla installer is... |
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| 18:44.47 | jhutchins_lt | huggybear: Release? |
| 18:44.50 | huggybear | Abercrombie & Tux Surf |
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| 18:45.14 | DeeTah | i don't. personally, i'd just love to get a dpkg file, same way it works in ubuntu |
| 18:45.16 | phorce1 | DeeTah: then live with mozilla.org's bugfix path rather than Debian's |
| 18:45.20 | huggybear | jhutchins_lt: Debian Squeeze, which is KDE 4.4.5 |
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| 18:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | huggybear: Oh, sorry, squeeze. Should just work. Does aptititude -f install want to do anything? |
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| 18:45.26 | DeeTah | i don't mean to troll, i just don't get the problem |
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| 18:46.03 | stew | DeeTah: which problem, exactly? |
| 18:46.03 | jhutchins_lt | DeeTah: This isn't Ubuntu. The Debian package is called iceweasel. If you can't live with that, use the mozilla package. |
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| 18:46.35 | DeeTah | i guess there's some reason you avoid mozilla branding |
| 18:46.42 | MrFrood | DeeTah: it's just a very commerical attitude for users of a non-commercial O/S |
| 18:46.44 | huggybear | jhutchins_lt: it just opens the curses aptitude. BTW, I have no broken packages. apt-get and synaptic both work fine |
| 18:46.46 | wols | DeeTah: debian can't provide it. the way mozilla interprets trademark law won't allow it, it would violate DFSG. Ubuntu has no DFSG and no problems. debian does |
| 18:46.58 | hoverbear | Hi all, what would someone moving from Kubuntu to Debian notice as different? (Former gentoo use, looking for something without $DE tacked onto it. |
| 18:47.01 | huggybear | jhutchins_lt: I did however try to install a minimal KDE, so maybe I left something out? |
| 18:47.03 | jhutchins_lt | huggybear: ? aptitude -f install as root? |
| 18:47.03 | th0r | DeeTah: I always used the mozilla packages for both firefox and thunderbird. Mozilla is much faster updating them then the distros |
| 18:47.16 | wols | DeeTah: debian isn't avoiding it. mozilla lawyers told debian they couldn't use it |
| 18:47.19 | huggybear | jhutchins_lt: yes, su-ed to root |
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| 18:47.52 | sm1 | Man! i always prefer the ( Debian way ) :) as it's recommended .. makes life easier in the long run :) |
| 18:48.00 | MrFrood | th0r: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:48.02 | stew | DeeTah: the reason we avoid mozilla branding is that lawyers from mozilla told us we must stop using it, and we don't want to be sued by them |
| 18:48.06 | huggybear | jhutchins: lol, wait, I forgot the install part |
| 18:48.07 | jhutchins_lt | th0r: Much faster at introducing new bugs you mean. |
| 18:48.10 | DeeTah | mhm. |
| 18:48.19 | DeeTah | and there's no unofficial debian repo around? |
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| 18:48.33 | jhutchins_lt | DeeTah: Why would anyone go to the effort? |
| 18:48.37 | MrFrood | DeeTah: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:48.51 | th0r | well, I started with linux when we compiled everything. I think these distro wars accomplish nothing and just give script kiddies a lot to bicker about. |
| 18:48.55 | zykotick9 | MrFrood, m.d.n is still iceweasel |
| 18:49.08 | MrFrood | I know :) |
| 18:49.26 | babilen | DeeTah: 5/6 will hit Debian soon -- http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 |
| 18:49.27 | huggybear | jhutchins_lt: ok, the command you gave me wants to install a major ass gnome |
| 18:49.56 | huggybear | and I acutally never use aptitude |
| 18:50.03 | jhutchins_lt | huggybear: What that says is that you've got a bunch of un-met dependencies. You probably installed some gnome packages. |
| 18:50.45 | jhutchins_lt | huggybear: You can try apt-get -f install, but it's not as thorough. You can also tell aptitude "n" and it will suggest a different solution, You should be able to step through the solutions and figure out what's triggering gnome pretty easily. |
| 18:51.02 | huggybear | jhutchins_lt: why doesn't apt-get say that? I did have gnome installed and then removed it and installed kde. but I think my errors are more with mysql and akonadi |
| 18:51.31 | huggybear | jhutchins_lt: besides, I'm not sure I want to wait for it to downlaod ALL of gnome. And how's that gonna fix KMail and Akonadi? |
| 18:51.48 | jhutchins_lt | huggybear: Aptitude does better dependency resolving. You don't NEED all of gnome, find a different suggestion. |
| 18:51.48 | Strife1989 | Is there an easy way to shift from Debian stable to unstable/sid? |
| 18:51.57 | adminewb | wols http://snipt.org/xlQo please ignore syntax highlighting |
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| 18:52.08 | jhutchins_lt | Strife1989: Try hitting the hard drive with a hammer. Similar results. |
| 18:52.23 | wols | adminewb: I don't know where and why the dkms package fscks up, sorry |
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| 18:52.31 | adminewb | ok thanks |
| 18:52.46 | babilen | Strife1989: Please read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
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| 18:52.55 | adminewb | I'm not doing something obviously stupid then |
| 18:53.29 | gbili | hello, can somebody help my to set up virtual hosts with apach2 please? |
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| 18:55.33 | huggybear | jhutchins_lt: there are 2 options here: Install basically what the meta package "gnome" offers, or install that but without software-center. How will that help me get KMail to work? Besides, I installed all depends recommends and suggests kmail has (and those of Akonadi, Strigi and Nepomuk, even though half of that has nothing to do with it.) Here is my problem in detail: http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=1052 |
| 18:56.20 | Strife1989 | realizes that he forgot about Testing. |
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| 18:57.01 | babilen | Strife1989: I would recommend to stay with stable/squeeze for the time being. |
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| 19:00.10 | hoverbear | Hi all, what would someone moving from Kubuntu to Debian notice as different? (Former gentoo use, looking for something without $DE tacked onto it. |
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| 19:01.31 | huggybear | hoverbear: more stability if you use stable, more work to set up, but not terribly; no fancy boot screens unless you set them up yourself. And not as much hand holding as on the ubuntuforums. |
| 19:01.35 | oobe | its not overly different debian doesnt use upstart which is a massive bonus if you ask me |
| 19:02.20 | hoverbear | Oh, hrm, I'm a fan of upstart. |
| 19:02.35 | hoverbear | huggybear: Thanks for the info, I'm trying to decide. :S |
| 19:02.48 | babilen | hoverbear: upstart is packaged for Debian fwiw |
| 19:03.19 | babilen | hoverbear: I would do it, what keeps you from switching? We can surely provide better input if we know about your needs. |
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| 19:04.36 | mooglenorph | Hi, I have a thinkpad that I just installed squeeze on. No problems, everything works great. |
| 19:04.37 | hoverbear | babilen: Nothing really, to be honest. If I can get upstart working and all my hardware without a big fight, I'd love to use debian over ubuntu provided the packages are relatively up to date |
| 19:04.49 | hoverbear | mooglenorph: Glad to hear! Thinking of installing it on my thinkpad |
| 19:04.52 | mooglenorph | Only problem is, I need to echo to a /sys file as root to set up my touchpoint and turn off bluetooth. |
| 19:05.10 | mooglenorph | What's the best place to put those commandsso they run at every bootup at root level? |
| 19:05.24 | babilen | hoverbear: You might want to check with http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ about your hardware. You might have to install some firmware packages, but we can certainly help you with that. |
| 19:05.40 | oobe | mooglenorph, /etc/rc.loacl |
| 19:05.51 | oobe | */etc/rc.local |
| 19:06.00 | babilen | hoverbear: Which TP? I have a T60 (i know) and everything works great. |
| 19:06.00 | hoverbear | babilen: I'm mostly worried about my gpu setup, but that's a problem across all distros. :-p |
| 19:06.00 | mooglenorph | I thought rc.local, but it says in the comment there that it's ececuted after every multiuser runlevel, so it'd end up getting executed multiple times? |
| 19:06.16 | babilen | hoverbear: Which GPU do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) |
| 19:06.19 | hoverbear | babilen: T420 with Ultimate-N Wifi, Optimus card, etc. |
| 19:06.20 | mooglenorph | I have a x200s that I bought new (overstock, it's like three years old at this point) |
| 19:06.22 | hoverbear | Sec. |
| 19:06.46 | hoverbear | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0126] (rev 09) |
| 19:06.47 | hoverbear | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:1057] (rev a1) |
| 19:06.51 | babilen | hoverbear: Yeah, the optimus cards ... *sigh* -- You *can* switch between them in your BIOS don't you? |
| 19:06.56 | mooglenorph | oobe: hmm. so *does* rc.local end up being executed more than once? |
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| 19:07.30 | oobe | mooglenorph, if you need it to run earlier you can make a custom script and put it in /etc/init.d then run update-rc.d /etc/init.d/newscript defaults |
| 19:07.32 | mooglenorph | oobe: I guess it doesn't matter, it isn't like echocing the same constant to those sysfiles more than once is going to change anything. |
| 19:07.40 | hoverbear | babilen: I can, I've been working on getting bumblebee working, having some luck. |
| 19:08.04 | babilen | hoverbear: You might, however, need a newer version of either xserver-xorg-video-intel or of the nvidia driver. Do you know which driver version introduced support for that card? |
| 19:08.15 | hoverbear | babilen: It's not supported at all |
| 19:08.19 | babilen | hoverbear: Ah, good to hear. |
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| 19:08.33 | mooglenorph | hoverbear: yeah, I only have an intel card... good luck with the optimus thing |
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| 19:08.35 | babilen | hoverbear: That can't be true -- Optimus surely is not, but the GPU itself is. |
| 19:08.35 | oobe | yes I think rc.local is simplest option and if its not critical that it only runs once then it should be fine fyi I use rc.local for loads of things and havent had any odd problems like daemons loading twice or anything |
| 19:08.55 | hoverbear | babilen: Overall my biggest concern is packages being up to date... What version of Firefox (for example) is debian stable using? |
| 19:08.58 | mooglenorph | oobe: ok, good :), that's all I was worried about. thanks! |
| 19:09.17 | oobe | np |
| 19:09.19 | hoverbear | babilen: Right but on every distro I've used the intel card acts "funny" until bumblebee is set up for some reason |
| 19:09.21 | huggybear | hoverbear: Stable has 3.5.x, but it's continously checked for security holes |
| 19:09.29 | babilen | hoverbear: You can install recent version of Iceweasel (Debian-speak for Firefox) from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 19:09.33 | babilen | ,versions iceweasel |
| 19:09.34 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; sid: 3.5.19-3; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; experimental: 5.0-2 |
| 19:09.41 | babilen | hoverbear: ^^^^ those are the default versions |
| 19:09.41 | huggybear | hoverbear: But you always have the latest version in experimental |
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| 19:09.58 | babilen | hoverbear: Which you really shouldn't install on stable. |
| 19:10.12 | hoverbear | huggybear: Right, how hard is it to mix stable/experimental? (I'm looking to do web dev on this, so I need fairly recent browsers at least) |
| 19:10.19 | babilen | hoverbear: 6.* will hit experimental soonish. |
| 19:10.36 | babilen | hoverbear: No, you don't mix stable with *anything* but backports. |
| 19:10.47 | hoverbear | That's problematic. :S |
| 19:10.49 | huggybear | hoverbear: let's just say that you shouldn't mix unless you have to. But for packages like Iceweasel (our debranded version of Firefox) it's ok. |
| 19:10.51 | babilen | hoverbear: How so? |
| 19:11.10 | th0r | hoverbear: you can install the firefox/thunderbird packages from mozilla in about two minutes and I have never had any problems running either |
| 19:11.14 | babilen | huggybear: There are other much better ways, please do not recommend experimental for stable users. |
| 19:11.20 | huggybear | hoverbear: the only thing 3.5.x is missing is proper HTML5 support, and do you really need that? |
| 19:11.24 | hoverbear | babilen: I'm one of those silly "Latest and greatest" guys. Ex gentoo user. |
| 19:11.38 | hoverbear | huggybear: Considering I'm developing a web app that uses html5, yes. |
| 19:11.40 | huggybear | babilen: I didn't recommend it, I just told him about the option |
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| 19:12.13 | hoverbear | So ubuntu mainly gets it'ss pcakages from debian unstable? |
| 19:12.18 | huggybear | hoverbear: then the best course of action is to get it from mozilla's site |
| 19:12.33 | huggybear | hoverbear: mostly from unstable, but sometimes they package themselves |
| 19:12.42 | babilen | hoverbear: You might want to consider running testing in that case. Please read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- But note that it takes some knowledge of Debian and its packaging system to deal with some bugs. It is surely not a "install and forget" solution and I wouldn't recommend it to people new to Debian. |
| 19:13.01 | hoverbear | I see. So Debian unstable is about as stable as ubuntu? Or more-so? |
| 19:13.14 | babilen | huggybear: Telling people here about an option and recommending it is not that different, they might actually do what you've mentioned. |
| 19:13.33 | hoverbear | babilen: Definately thinking about it, it can't be worse then gentoo. |
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| 19:13.52 | babilen | hoverbear: Unstable is not stable *at all* -- That is the whole point of it. Stable is stable, all others are not *per definition* -- That changes when testing is frozen. |
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| 19:14.13 | babilen | (for testing) |
| 19:14.14 | huggybear | hoverbear: Please read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/ especially the faq and maybe also the debian reference. at least the chapters about packaging |
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| 19:14.53 | hoverbear | taking a look now, thanks. |
| 19:15.12 | babilen | hoverbear: Please note that I am speaking about "stable" as in "not changing" not about "stable" as in "bug free and will bring you breakfast to your bed" |
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| 19:15.21 | huggybear | Testing is a bit messy now, so I'd wait. But in 6 months or so, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't turn out to be more stable than Ubuntu. That's at least my experience with former versions. |
| 19:15.23 | babilen | %tell hoverbear -about stable |
| 19:15.59 | babilen | hoverbear: That is a very important distinction Debian makes that is commonly misunderstood. :) |
| 19:16.11 | kingsley | Is there a way to tell if package <x> depends on package <y>, without installing package <x>? If so, how? |
| 19:16.11 | hoverbear | nods. |
| 19:16.47 | babilen | hoverbear: All that being said: I would recommend to try it. I am very happy with it and there is near to nothing you will miss. (except bad packaging if that is your thing ;) ) |
| 19:16.50 | huggybear | kingsley: try something like this: aptitude show name_of_pacakge |
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| 19:17.08 | hoverbear | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:18.18 | huggybear | hoverbear: but do you really need ALL the latest? You're a web dev, right? All you need is up to date browsers and such. You don't really need the latest version of openarena or gcc |
| 19:18.22 | hoverbear | babilen: Ideally I'm looking for a rolling-release dpkg based distro with relatively up-to-date packages and default install drops you into a tty and lets you make what you want. |
| 19:18.23 | babilen | hoverbear: I can not cure your SNS -- but Debian has testing and sid. You have to keep in mind though that these are development branches and that you are part of the development process. There may also be horrible and hard to fix bugs you *will* run into. (Seriously!) |
| 19:18.37 | gbili | hello, i would like to set up virtual hosts with DocumentRoot /home/me/Some/Path/document_root, but it keeps telling me "403" forbidden you don't have permission to access / on this server, any tip? |
| 19:18.53 | hoverbear | huggybear: I don't no. That's a very good point. |
| 19:19.08 | hoverbear | babilen: What is sid? |
| 19:19.16 | hoverbear | Wait, reading about it now haha |
| 19:19.22 | babilen | hoverbear: Please read .... ;-D |
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| 19:19.31 | huggybear | hoverbear: sid = unstable |
| 19:20.00 | huggybear | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
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| 19:20.33 | babilen | hoverbear: Please note OTOH that Debian also provides backports (http://backports-master.debian.org/) of a subset of packages for stable and you can more or less easily backport other packages. There are *many* different ways to run your box. |
| 19:21.02 | hoverbear | So, wheezy is basically stable with slightly newer packages? |
| 19:21.22 | borg0 | i need to pick ur brains, i went a installed something and it broke my system in the manner of making most of my web browsers (chrome, chromium, and iceweasel) not work as a regular user, chrome seems to work as root, i havent tried the others as i dont like running stuff as root unless neccessary, |
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| 19:21.34 | huggybear | hoverbear: actually no, wheezy is more en par with current Ubuntu now, expcet for a few pacakges. depend what you look at |
| 19:21.35 | ompaul | hoverbear: and transitions from package version X to Y and large breakages that you may avoide |
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| 19:22.15 | ompaul | wheezy is testing and that is a place where things usually work most of the time |
| 19:22.15 | hoverbear | huggybear: Okay. Thanks. :) Is there somewhere I can look at current package versions? |
| 19:22.19 | borg0 | when i start iceweasel or chrome at the command line i get bus error in response, any idea where to start troubleshooting this, my guess is something with d-bus, buts thats a guess and not a very informed one |
| 19:22.30 | huggybear | hoverbear: http://packages.debian.org |
| 19:22.32 | hoverbear | ompaul: That's better then I'm used too. :) |
| 19:22.33 | zykotick9 | hoverbear, also keep in mind, that security updates can be slow to reach testing |
| 19:23.06 | babilen | hoverbear: testing is what will eventually become the next stable version of Debian. Packages are uploaded to sid/unstable and transition to testing when certain requirements are met. (no RC bugs, in sid for at least N days, ...) |
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| 19:23.32 | huggybear | borg0: the best bet is to copy that dubs error, paste it into google and try and find the error |
| 19:23.38 | babilen | hoverbear: /msg judd versions pkg -- works too |
| 19:23.52 | Corellian | hi |
| 19:23.55 | borg0 | ugh i only have epihany working at the moment |
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| 19:24.33 | zykotick9 | borg0, (curious) what did you install that broke everything? |
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| 19:24.58 | huggybear | borg0: I always have elinks installed in case shit goes down with my X |
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| 19:25.17 | borg0 | damn it ephiany keeps crashing |
| 19:25.51 | huggybear | borg0: install midori |
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| 19:25.58 | borg0 | ill go get opera once i have elinks installed |
| 19:26.07 | huggybear | :D |
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| 19:26.15 | huggybear | you're going commercial ;) |
| 19:26.35 | borg0 | see how opera likes this wierd thing that occured cos of this download |
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| 19:27.18 | borg0 | nah i am not going commerical, i need use of a web browser that dosent crash every other link for a minute and chromium and iceweasel arent working |
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| 19:29.02 | dawud | gbili: don't set vhosts documentroot under /home, just use /srv/www/htdocs/whatever-vhost, set perms for www-data group to r files and rx dirs |
| 19:29.14 | huggybear | borg0: if dbus sucks for you at the moment, chances are that every modern gui browser will crash. so, just google your way with elinks or lynx, or whatnot. Also, live cds come pretty in handy for such occasions |
| 19:30.30 | borg0 | i dont know if its dbus, i havent been able to use google to check the source of the error |
| 19:30.38 | borg0 | all i know is the above so far |
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| 19:32.06 | gbili | dawud, thanks for your answer, the thing is that it would be very useful to have it under home, so i don't have to copy my project every time to /srv/www, isn't there a way to tell apache to allow this? |
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| 19:34.32 | th0r | gbili: haven't messed with such things in a long while. But wonder if you couldnt just link the home dirs to /srv/www |
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| 19:35.25 | gbili | th0r, ok, let's try that |
| 19:35.42 | dawud | gbili: don't do that |
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| 19:36.11 | gbili | dawud, why? |
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| 19:36.41 | dawud | gbili: keep your project under version control, that way you can deploy it to a test/devel vhost before running on production |
| 19:37.32 | dawud | gbili: also, uid/gid and perms are there for a reason. enabling user directories can be easily done, but that a potential security hole |
| 19:37.56 | dawud | gbili: note that apache starts as root and drops privs to www-data afterwards |
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| 19:38.37 | gbili | dawud, yes but it just on my local machine, just for development |
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| 19:38.57 | th0r | gbili: don't do this at home unless wearing a kevlar vest and full body condom |
| 19:39.12 | gbili | LOL |
| 19:39.21 | dawud | gbili: anyway, you can still pull your commits from your production environment |
| 19:39.58 | dawud | gbili: there is no reason to do things the wong way just because it's a devel box |
| 19:40.27 | dawud | gbili: of course, that's my MVHO |
| 19:41.02 | gbili | dawud, I do them the wrong way because thats the only way i know... |
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| 19:41.45 | gbili | dawud, so when you talk about commit, is this a github stuff? |
| 19:41.57 | dawud | gbili: the apache site is full of very good docs to get started in vhosting http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ |
| 19:42.38 | dawud | gbili: usually, you "commit" changes, whichever the version control system of your taste/choice |
| 19:44.10 | gbili | and then what do you use to pull things into your apache directory? |
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| 19:46.12 | dawud | gbili: that depends on the VCS, using git, I'd start by "git clone"-ing into /srv/www/htdocs/cool-vhost/ ensuring right uid/gid and perms (post-commit script, pupet, whatever), and any further commit just by "git pull"-ing |
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| 19:47.36 | gbili | ok i'll have a look at git |
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| 19:48.12 | dawud | gbili: take a look here: http://git-scm.com/documentation |
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| 19:49.04 | AkiraYuki | o/ |
| 19:49.29 | gbili | ok thank you very much for your tips |
| 19:49.54 | dawud | gbili: glad to be helpful |
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| 19:51.13 | adminewb | can someone please explain why hard links to directories are not allowed in linux? |
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| 19:53.16 | jhutchins_lt | Because we're all a bunch of control freaks and want to make life hard for you. |
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| 19:53.31 | adminewb | good answer thanks :D |
| 19:56.10 | jhutchins_lt | Can you symlink on ntfs? |
| 19:56.21 | adminewb | I think so |
| 19:56.23 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's a function of how ext works. |
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| 19:56.49 | jhutchins_lt | I know that Windows does shortcuts which are similar to symlinks. |
| 19:56.53 | adminewb | ok I'm using ext4 for everything but Windows |
| 19:57.00 | adminewb | yes |
| 19:57.15 | sauvin | If you're talking about symlinking on ntfs while using Windows, I think they're called "reparse points" or somemthing similarly idiotic. |
| 19:57.20 | adminewb | when ntfs-3g mounts an ntfs volume, those are treated as symlinks |
| 19:57.56 | adminewb | mount points for NTFS volumes do pretty much the same thing |
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| 20:00.04 | adminewb | where did the regular bot dpkg go |
| 20:00.21 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I used to work with ntfs using the kernel drivers, don't really remember the details. |
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| 20:01.09 | adminewb | !ext4 |
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| 20:01.24 | jhutchins_lt | %ext4 |
| 20:01.24 | dselect | ext4 (fourth extended filesystem) supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents, available since Linux 2.6.28. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. ext4 is not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121) and not the default filesystem in Squeeze (Debian bug #603084). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 and #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:12.02 | adminewb | still can't for the life of me figure out where & how many symlinks to my module dkms wants |
| 20:13.04 | adminewb | using virtualbox kernel modules as an example, I'd guess about a dozen |
| 20:14.28 | adminewb | strace might provide some useful info? |
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| 20:15.06 | borg0 | opera is working well |
| 20:15.59 | borg0 | dosent fix my problem but its working, the cause of the issue has something to do with the face that the web browsers come up fine when run as root, its intresting that this download killed both iceweasel and chromium |
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| 20:17.21 | brandome | Hey. |
| 20:17.54 | brandome | A program wants to open nautilus, however I don't have such a program. Can I make a link of 'nautilus' to 'thunar' |
| 20:18.13 | brandome | Would it be correct to use link or ln? |
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| 20:20.14 | brandome | hmmmm |
| 20:20.41 | brandome | thunar --no-default-window option not found... |
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| 20:22.51 | brandome | made a file called 'nth' (nautilus to thunar) |
| 20:23.08 | brandome | and did ln /usr/bin/bth /usr/bin/nautilus |
| 20:23.11 | borg0 | something got berked heavy by this download, im going to pull it apart, its a shell script with a bunch of base64 encoding stuff in it |
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| 20:23.26 | brandome | so my shell script doesn't output error |
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| 20:29.37 | Corellian | I want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze from a SSH terminal, do you still recommend it? |
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| 20:30.37 | peterrooney | Corellian: was it ever recommended? |
| 20:31.04 | Corellian | peterrooney: nope :) |
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| 20:32.01 | Corellian | peterrooney: *do you recommend it? |
| 20:32.24 | peterrooney | Corellian: the last one I did, I read %dselect's directions carefully, evaluated some trial runs, and then did it at the console in the machine room. It went as planned. |
| 20:33.15 | Corellian | is there an easy way to do a simulation of this? |
| 20:33.18 | peterrooney | It was a good thing I read the directions, because it turned out the hardware actually needed one of the steps that, on first inspection, I would have thought unnecessary. |
| 20:33.31 | peterrooney | Corellian: apt-get --recon |
| 20:33.44 | peterrooney | dselect: lenny->squeeze |
| 20:33.44 | dselect | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 20:34.56 | Corellian | peterrooney: thanks, I'm going to have a look at it |
| 20:35.36 | peterrooney | Corellian: apt-get has --recon , --dry-run , --simulate options. So handy. |
| 20:37.07 | Corellian | peterrooney: can I go back if I only do an update with the new sources.list? |
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| 20:39.53 | lamah | how can i check how active Cores i have on my cpu ? |
| 20:39.57 | lamah | cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 20:40.23 | lamah | i mean *active* cores |
| 20:40.30 | peterrooney | Corellian: I have no idea. I suppose it's possible, but that's not something I would try on any production system (or my home system) |
| 20:41.16 | Corellian | peterrooney: ok |
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| 20:47.32 | shanepardue | I really like the layout and ease of use of Pitivi for simple video editing, but it is choking when I try to playback more than one 720 clip in the timeline. It's a beefy enough machine, but a bug in the software |
| 20:47.40 | shanepardue | Can anybody recommend a similar application? |
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| 20:59.33 | raldakejla | I'd like to give a shell account to a friend on my server. How do I go about doing this properly and safely? |
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| 21:00.24 | scx | is it possible to run vanilla Debian from pendrive/SD flash card? |
| 21:00.51 | Dulcin | I'm wondering, this might not be debian related (perhaps plesk related), but when I create a subdomain in plesk, the folder is created in /var/www/vhosts/domainname/[here] and also /var/www/vhosts/domainname/subdomains/[here] but the last one is not working, why is it placed in the domain root folder as well? |
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| 21:01.20 | scx | what if i dd if=/path/to/debian-testing-armel-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso of=/my/pendrive/or/sd/card |
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| 21:01.36 | scx | will it work? |
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| 21:19.16 | t3a | andrew@debian:~$ xrandr --output DFP3 --left-of DFP4 xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1440x1440 (desired size 2880x900) |
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| 21:22.35 | jhutchins_lt | t3a: Pretty straightforward. You've reached the limit of your video RAM. |
| 21:23.14 | t3a | are you trolling? |
| 21:23.15 | jhutchins_lt | scx: cat is recommended. |
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| 21:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | t3a: Did you have a question about what you posted. |
| 21:23.47 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 21:23.48 | t3a | why am i getting that error |
| 21:24.17 | jhutchins_lt | t3a: For exactly the reason I posted above: your video ram will not do more than 1440x1440 resolution. |
| 21:25.06 | jhutchins_lt | t3a: You have ~2G of RAM, you are requesting a 2.5G resolution. |
| 21:25.15 | t3a | I had it working about a month ago, but I changed drivers and it gave me that error |
| 21:25.30 | jhutchins_lt | t3a: (Actually, it's probably 1440x1440x32, but in any case. |
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| 21:31.02 | Gnarfoz | a 2.5G resolution? that's a weird way to calculate that |
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| 21:31.57 | Gnarfoz | 2880*900*32 is 82944000px, how would you need 2.5GiB of vram for that |
| 21:32.52 | Bushmills | movies don't need to be stored completely in video ram :) |
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| 21:33.51 | Gnarfoz | whatever that has got to do with anything ;> |
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| 21:34.43 | gNewPower | Hey fellow Debianers! I am looking for a recommendation for an old and cheap laptop to install stable on. Can you recommend any good models? Thanks! |
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| 21:35.05 | Dulcin | How can I move files including the hidden files in a folder? |
| 21:35.15 | sauvin | I tend to just grab whatever's going at Walmart. |
| 21:35.19 | mplabs | Where should I set the default sound card in pulseaudio? |
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| 21:40.35 | Subfusc | exit |
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| 21:43.25 | homie | which package contains ldconfig ? |
| 21:43.31 | homie | ?ldconfig |
| 21:43.36 | homie | !ldconfig |
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| 21:45.08 | toa | I'm trying to install the binary NVIDIA driver (legacy 96.x) for my Geforce 4 Ti 4200. I'm running 2.6.36-2.dmz.5-liquorix-686. Will this cause a problem when installing the Linux headers for the kernel? |
| 21:45.40 | wols | !liquorix |
| 21:45.43 | wols | %liquorix |
| 21:45.44 | dselect | Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages (http://liquorix.net/) are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian. http://zen-kernel.org/about http://zen-kernel.org/faq-folder/what_is_zen #zen-sources on irc.rizon.net. Not to be confused with <Xen>. |
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| 21:46.10 | wols | %tell homie about search |
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| 21:46.55 | homie | isn't that in the binutils package ? |
| 21:47.09 | wols | no. libc-bin |
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| 21:47.18 | flypp | homie, try apt-file |
| 21:47.22 | Kromgol | Hello! When i type "apache2 -S" i get "apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}", any idea how to fix it? |
| 21:47.49 | wols | Kromgol: any reason you can't start apache normally? |
| 21:48.09 | Kromgol | wols: Nvm, my fautl |
| 21:48.18 | huma | what's the package name for the "light" version of emacs? |
| 21:48.30 | homie | wtf, my ldconfig disappeard from my path it seems |
| 21:48.41 | wols | homie:are you root? |
| 21:48.46 | homie | and dpkg can't install libc-bin |
| 21:48.51 | homie | yep i'm root |
| 21:49.03 | wols | and why can't it install it? |
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| 21:49.17 | babilen | %tell homie -about bat |
| 21:49.35 | homie | path of root should contain /usr/sbin /sbin etc... it tells me tho my profile file contains already all that |
| 21:49.45 | homie | and my path is set correctly |
| 21:50.13 | babilen | homie: Please show us and try to include all relevant information you can think of â http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:50.23 | huma | Kromgol: apachet2-ctl |
| 21:51.45 | babilen | Kromgol: You know that apache is typically started with "service apache2 start" or /etc/init.d/apache2 start ? |
| 21:52.07 | Kromgol | Yes, just nvm what i said. |
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| 21:56.13 | mplabs | ok, somehow I have broken something related with alsa and my USB sound card so now I can't use it :) |
| 21:56.59 | mplabs | is there any way to reset_alsa_related_things other than to reinstall it all again? |
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| 22:00.46 | mplabs | # reset --config --date yesterday |
| 22:00.51 | mplabs | it was working yesterday :| |
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| 22:06.42 | toa | From following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, everything worked OK with the kernel modules, except I can tell the current version is installed and I need the legacy 93.x version. How do I revert this? I used the command # m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source. |
| 22:07.59 | toa | I haven't restarted X yet. |
| 22:08.36 | upsy | I get a scrambled/flickering display when I set my monitor to its native resolution. Anyone have any idea why? |
| 22:08.48 | toa | upsy, wrong refresh rate? |
| 22:09.13 | kingsley | Is there a filter that can automatically translate "What did you day?" into "Wharbat darbid yarbou sarbay?"? |
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| 22:10.12 | upsy | toa: it does it at 1920x1080 with 60hz, but I'm on 60hz now, at a lower resolution. could it still be wrong? |
| 22:10.34 | Bushmills | kingsley: sed 's/What did you day?/Wharbat darbid yarbou sarbay?/g' |
| 22:10.46 | kingsley | Bushmills: Heh |
| 22:12.01 | upsy | toa: now that I think about it, another input was using that resolution at 60hz, so i don't think it can be that |
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| 22:13.17 | toa | upsy, I've never had experience dealing with LCD issues like that, sorry. |
| 22:13.47 | upsy | toa: thanks anyway |
| 22:14.17 | upsy | it works in windows too, so it seems like a driver bug :/ |
| 22:14.26 | eprog | I want to install a hotkey, for example fn+f12+f12 |
| 22:14.44 | toa | upsy, all I could suggest is a driver bug. |
| 22:14.44 | eprog | i run xfce4, debian squeeze any ideas? |
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| 22:19.26 | ggtyrtf | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7707585592627775409 |
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| 22:25.26 | peterrooney | kingsley: I sure hope there isn't |
| 22:25.42 | kingsley | peterrooney: Heh |
| 22:26.27 | Bushmills | eprog: xbindkeys possibly. but - you have two f12 keys which you want to push concurrently? |
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| 22:27.14 | fasta | How do I get google-earth working in Debian? The make-google-earth package and then installing and executing googleearth doesn't work (segfault). |
| 22:27.27 | peterrooney | though, it could be straightforward regexp - s/\b([^aeiou])([aeiou])/$1arb$2/g |
| 22:27.43 | Bushmills | fasta: you may need glx |
| 22:27.50 | peterrooney | feels evil for having wasted any brain cells on the issue |
| 22:27.57 | fasta | Bushmills: I do have glx. |
| 22:28.25 | Bushmills | make-googleearth-package does work. at least it does here |
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| 22:28.39 | fasta | Bushmills: it also works on my Ubuntu system. |
| 22:28.53 | fasta | Bushmills: (which is newer) |
| 22:29.00 | Bushmills | it does on stable and on testing under debian |
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| 22:36.29 | Strife89 | What's the latest version of Iceweasel in the Debian packages? |
| 22:37.02 | nkuttler | %tell Strife89 about pdo |
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| 22:38.04 | babilen | Strife89: http://mozilla.debian.net/ + http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 might also be of interest |
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| 22:38.59 | Strife89 | is currently running 3.5.16 |
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| 22:39.24 | upsy | 5.0 or so |
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| 22:41.15 | alexb_1 | hi all, why networkmanager applet is not visible in squeeze?does anyone know? thanks. |
| 22:41.35 | vlt | Hello. A script runs fine when started manually but as cronjob I get "(CRON) error (grandchild #10134 failed with exit status 127)". Any idea? Where to look first? |
| 22:43.05 | zykotick9 | alexb_1, have you installed it? It's not installed by default. |
| 22:43.26 | alexb_1 | zykotick9, -, yes, I did |
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| 22:43.40 | zykotick9 | alexb_1, try running "nm-applet" |
| 22:43.59 | alexb_1 | I did. it doesn't start anything...; |
| 22:44.18 | zykotick9 | alexb_1, ? good luck. |
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| 22:45.38 | peterrooney | Strife: |
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| 22:45.47 | peterrooney | judd: ,versions iceweasel |
| 22:46.26 | themill | ,versions iceweasel |
| 22:46.27 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; sid: 3.5.19-3; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; experimental: 5.0-2 |
| 22:46.29 | babilen | peterrooney: Use either "judd:" or "," :) |
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| 23:09.07 | Dulcin | ggtyrtf: thanks for that video :) |
| 23:09.19 | Dulcin | halfway now, enjoying it a lot |
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| 23:16.45 | hoshi411 | anyone know of a debian-powerpc chanel or linux powerpc chanel? |
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| 23:17.51 | Dulcin | hoshi411: try /list |
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| 23:18.27 | nkuttler | %tell hoshi411 about ppc |
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| 23:19.29 | nkuttler | Dulcin: btw, /msg alis help |
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| 23:19.59 | td123 | hi, I'm the maintainer for mongodb for archlinux, and I would like to ask if there is any plans to submit the mozjs185 support patch that was applied to mongodb? or, what is the policy for submitting patches upstream for debian |
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| 23:23.59 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:24.40 | Dulcin | nihgt |
| 23:24.44 | Dulcin | night* |
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| 23:25.13 | babilen | td123: It is probably a good idea to talk to the maintainers and/or file a bug report about that issue. (+patch) |
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| 23:30.45 | TrueDD | night Dulcin |
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| 23:33.04 | bjoernb | hi |
| 23:33.36 | bjoernb | i try to delete an account from icedove. if i do so icedove settings and icedove does not response anymore. |
| 23:34.18 | bjoernb | how do i remove the account from the shell? |
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| 23:34.58 | HerbMillerJr | Where can I get a base image tarball of Debian 6.0.2? |
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| 23:41.59 | ArdRigh | hi all |
| 23:42.20 | ArdRigh | is the Debian Wiki the best source to find the 'debian way' of setting up iptables? |
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| 23:43.38 | stew | ArdRigh: i don't believe there is any one "debian way" of doing that |
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| 23:44.39 | Matias_ | Hello! |
| 23:44.40 | Matias_ | My USB sound card was working until today, I don't know what I changed but I can't hear anything now :| |
| 23:44.40 | Matias_ | it seems it should be working. it has a led so you can see the computer is sending "something". where should I start to search the problem? |
| 23:44.40 | Matias_ | all I change (or atleast all I can remember) is to make this sound card the default one. Also, I tried to revert all the changes I did and it still doesn't work :| |
| 23:44.45 | ArdRigh | stew: yeah, not even a best 'recommended' method. I find that a bit odd |
| 23:45.29 | stew | ArdRigh: we can recommend lots of methods. do you have a set of rules you want to load? do you have a set of rules loaded you want to save? do you want something to help you setup rules? do you want a gui? |
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| 23:46.58 | Nethox | ArdRigh, you can use iptables-apply to prevent connection loss, and iptables-persistent to load rules on startup |
| 23:48.14 | bjoernb | i did delete the account from the files on the shell, now the account is deleted. |
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| 23:48.18 | stew | judd: versions iptables-persistant |
| 23:48.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'iptables-persistant' was found in i386. |
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| 23:49.40 | Nethox | stew, persistent, not persistant |
| 23:50.02 | stew | oops |
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| 23:59.53 | Matias_ | in fact all I see on Phonon is one card called "PulseAudio SoundServer", this USB card should be there, am I wrong? |
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