| 00:00.31 | streuner_ | :-) |
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| 00:04.43 | jhambo | where's dpkg? |
| 00:05.06 | streuner_ | vacation |
| 00:05.31 | jhambo | probably needed one... |
| 00:05.46 | streuner_ | jhambo: just use dselect for now |
| 00:05.57 | streuner_ | its a backup of dpkg |
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| 00:09.26 | jhambo | streuner_: thanks |
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| 00:22.53 | dualcore | how can i add to the repositories or w/e so that i can apt-get install wine (version 1.3.2x) ? |
| 00:23.21 | streuner_ | judd, versions wine |
| 00:23.22 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 00:24.05 | streuner_ | well, thats third party then |
| 00:24.15 | Black_Prince | dualcore, there is 3rd party for testing/sid |
| 00:24.44 | streuner_ | wine is total crap |
| 00:24.46 | streuner_ | IMO |
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| 00:25.09 | streuner_ | you are using Linux or just windows, IMO |
| 00:25.48 | streuner_ | and if you want to play some games, just use windows then |
| 00:25.49 | edene121 | Can I use debian mailing lists without subscribing. I want to subscribe only to the debian announcements but I still want to use debian-user I just don't want to subscribe to that and have my email flooded. |
| 00:25.50 | edene121 | ? |
| 00:26.03 | streuner_ | sure |
| 00:26.26 | edene121 | I want to use debian-user mailing list when i want but I still want replies though |
| 00:26.26 | streuner_ | you can read them |
| 00:26.32 | edene121 | oh cool |
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| 00:26.49 | dualcore | if wine can run fl studio well then i wont need a windows computer at all |
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| 00:27.13 | edene121 | So if I want to send something to debian-user@lists.debian.org I do not have to subscribe and i will still have people replying? |
| 00:27.23 | streuner_ | edene121: but why not just not subsribe? |
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| 00:28.11 | streuner_ | edene121: well, there are ways to do that, but iam still asking you, why not just subsribe to the ML? |
| 00:28.22 | dualcore | streuner_, Black_Prince, do you mean 1.3.2x is 3rd party? i don't understand. should i not attempt to run it in sid? |
| 00:28.32 | edene121 | I only want to subscribe to debian-announce and debian-stable-announcements |
| 00:28.49 | dualcore | run that version in sid* |
| 00:28.50 | streuner_ | and not to debian-user, I just dont get that |
| 00:28.58 | edene121 | I do not want to subscribe to debian-user mailing list because it flood my email |
| 00:29.22 | streuner_ | so just use another email account... |
| 00:29.31 | nevyn | gmail? |
| 00:29.35 | edene121 | yes |
| 00:29.53 | nevyn | uses a web mail account for all the big mailing lists. |
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| 00:32.42 | edene121 | I think I will create an email for debian because it is selfish of me to use it only when I need help |
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| 00:57.26 | jmarsden | dirkson: apt-get install foo =1.2.3.4 # should work |
| 00:57.37 | DasEi | dirkson: I haven't such experience, if you are not eager to keep the open source, you can just d/l latest driver vom nvidia and install it: which card ? |
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| 00:59.21 | dirkson | DasEi: The lastest nvidia driver is broken with respect to java, (50% of my use case for it) so I need to use a 2.60 series instead of a 2.70 or 2.80 series. The 2.60 series requires an older xorg than I currently have, though. |
| 00:59.34 | dirkson | jmarsden: And how do I find what versions are available? |
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| 01:00.50 | jmarsden | dirkson: That's a very different question. rmadison xorg may help. |
| 01:02.23 | dirkson | jmarsden: Seems very related to me :D "How do I install a version of xorg that isn't the default one" sort of includes the question, "How do I locate a particular version of xorg to install" |
| 01:03.03 | jmarsden | dirkson: OK... I read " Is there a way to force apt to install an older version of xorg?" as implying you already knew which version you wanted :) |
| 01:03.32 | dirkson | jmarsden: Alrighty. Fair enough reasoning. |
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| 01:19.39 | boudiccas | Lenin_Cat; so? |
| 01:19.50 | Lenin_Cat | boudiccas, I want it to |
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| 01:44.27 | buhman | how can I copy my theming to the login theme? |
| 01:44.36 | buhman | wallpaper and such |
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| 01:52.36 | WormFood | my sound card is capable of doing 5.1 output, if I reprogram the input channels to be outputs. It is possible to have the 4 channel output, act like 2 separate sound cards to my applications? (so I could for example (this is just an example, not what I want to do) play 2 mp3 players at the same time, one to each pair of speakers) |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | buhman: gdmsetup ? |
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| 01:55.53 | buhman | abrotman: doesn't look like it... |
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| 01:57.34 | WormFood | abrotman, you seem to know everything....got an answer to my question? (I want to say I've seen that it is possible somewhere) |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | did'nt read it yet .. phone, moment |
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| 01:58.16 | WormFood | sure, take your time. Not important. Just something I'd like to be able to do ;) |
| 01:58.50 | abrotman | WormFood: i ahve no idea if that's possible, #alsa might (but they're probably full asleep) |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | or maybe ask the pulse people if oyu use pulse |
| 01:59.35 | jenev | hey |
| 02:00.10 | jenev | i got my usb network adapter setup, but i can't connect to the network |
| 02:00.37 | zak_ | anybody has an ipad here?i need to transfer some music from my opensuse lappy to the ipad , any help please |
| 02:00.41 | jenev | the network is a WEP shared network, but when i attempt to connect it keeps telling me bad password |
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| 02:00.51 | jenev | even though the password is correct |
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| 02:01.48 | extraclassic | reset the router and set up wpa2 |
| 02:02.09 | Yukiteru | hi 0/ |
| 02:02.13 | abrotman | zak_: this isn't #suse or #macosx .. please go somewhere relevant |
| 02:03.33 | WormFood | yeah, I use pulseaudio unfortunately |
| 02:03.41 | jenev | extraclassic, not to doubt your expertice but why? |
| 02:04.01 | jenev | *expertise |
| 02:04.28 | WormFood | jenev, are they using "WEP" to get security? If so, then they have no security. WEP is trivial to crack, if you use it (it is not trivial to crack, if you don't actually use it) |
| 02:04.38 | extraclassic | jenev: wep is old and you can crack a password in less than 5 minutes |
| 02:05.07 | WormFood | extraclassic, 5 minutes is a bit of a stretch....but for sure within 15 minutes |
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| 02:05.27 | WormFood | with an active attack, assuming the WAP does not lock up from the attack. |
| 02:06.09 | WormFood | jenev, seriously, if you're using WEP, just turn off encryption....that will solve your problem, and give you 99% the same security |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | jenev: you also have different "options" to pick with WEP, make sure it matches |
| 02:06.19 | jenev | lolz |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | do not turn off WEp |
| 02:06.28 | jenev | well thats kinda up to the admin |
| 02:06.43 | abrotman | the only people who are going to try to crack your WEP will also try to crack any other security |
| 02:06.45 | WormFood | WEP is trivial to crack....it is the same as no encryption now days. |
| 02:07.00 | abrotman | it's to protect you from the casual wifi thief |
| 02:07.03 | WormFood | that is the point...WPA is not trivial to crack....WEP is |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | WPA is not uncrackable |
| 02:07.28 | abrotman | if someone wants your wifi data, you're f'ed |
| 02:07.30 | extraclassic | WPA2 with a 12+ character password should be fine |
| 02:07.31 | WormFood | I didn't say it is uncrackable. I just said it is not trivial to crack, like WEP |
| 02:07.40 | jenev | anyways the point isn't how secure it is because that up to my dad, cause i don't think he's gonna chance it but why does this happen in any case |
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| 02:07.48 | WormFood | yes, I agree with extraclassic on that one |
| 02:07.52 | abrotman | WEP is fine to protect yourself from your neighbor who isn't going to try to crack it |
| 02:08.04 | WormFood | yes, that is true abrotman |
| 02:08.06 | Zharf | abrotman, probably |
| 02:08.07 | Zharf | ;) |
| 02:08.20 | WormFood | but then everything is safe from people who don't try to crack it :P |
| 02:08.21 | abrotman | jenev: there are two different ways to enter a WEP password IIRC .. hex and alphanum .. make sure you pick the right one |
| 02:08.26 | abrotman | WormFood: problem solved |
| 02:08.27 | owen1 | i have to use su in order to use many commands. for example - tar. any idea how to change that? |
| 02:08.27 | extraclassic | odds would go up in an apartment complex |
| 02:08.41 | jenev | abortman, i've tried both :( |
| 02:09.19 | jenev | and neither way worked |
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| 02:09.26 | abrotman | owen1: why? bad path or bad permissions? |
| 02:09.36 | abrotman | jenev: can you connect if WEP is off? |
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| 02:09.49 | WormFood | I like to crack WEP passwords passively...I just wait for them to send me enough information to crack it.....That may be legal where you live, but I bet an active attack would be illegal almost anywhere. |
| 02:09.50 | extraclassic | jenev: reset it |
| 02:09.51 | jenev | haven't tried that as yet |
| 02:09.58 | jenev | the router? |
| 02:10.01 | WormFood | jenev, just crack the password...then you know you have it right. |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | WormFood: you might not want to repeat that in a public channel |
| 02:10.20 | abrotman | jenev: try turning off WEP, make sure you can connect at all |
| 02:10.20 | ringo_ | whats the cups user and pass? |
| 02:10.21 | WormFood | abrotman, I didn't say I use them (I don't) |
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| 02:10.38 | extraclassic | jenev: yeah, reset the router and set a new password...it only takes a couple minutes |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | WormFood: in some countries, just cracking it is enough to go to jail .. dont repeat it |
| 02:10.46 | jmarsden | owen1: I think you are confused. What does tar cvf testing.tar ~/.profile do -- how does that fail for you? |
| 02:11.03 | abrotman | extraclassic: or he could try it without a password to make sure it's not another compatibility issue |
| 02:11.12 | WormFood | I have discovered people like to use the password of 12345123435 and 1234567890 or some variation on it. |
| 02:11.26 | WormFood | ok abrotman |
| 02:11.30 | extraclassic | abrotman, that works too |
| 02:11.50 | WormFood | jenev, do you have access to the router/WAP? |
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| 02:11.59 | WormFood | I mean, administration access |
| 02:12.10 | jenev | not really |
| 02:12.19 | jenev | my dad controlls it so ill ask him |
| 02:12.20 | abrotman | jenev: does it work in another OS? |
| 02:12.26 | WormFood | are there other clients on the wireless network? |
| 02:12.37 | jenev | yea, im using it on windows now |
| 02:12.39 | extraclassic | jenev, your dad probably locked you out |
| 02:12.46 | jenev | lol nah |
| 02:13.06 | rooted-insideme | ok, im having an issue, I looked in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log and it seems to be loading the radeon drivers but I can't change my resolution above 1024x768 any ideas? |
| 02:13.07 | jenev | WormFood, yes |
| 02:13.25 | WormFood | jenev, wireless can sometimes be a bitch to get working under Linux. Other times it is easy. |
| 02:13.33 | owen1 | jmarsden: abrotman tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors |
| 02:13.36 | extraclassic | jenev, if your dad controls it I'd just leave it WEP so if he tries anything you can crack it |
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| 02:13.55 | jmarsden | owen1: pastebin the entire output from the tar command, please? |
| 02:14.07 | jenev | extraclassic, lol, why do you insist on me cracking it :) |
| 02:14.25 | extraclassic | something to do i guess |
| 02:14.26 | WormFood | jenev, is your password a hex number, or a password/passphrase? |
| 02:14.28 | owen1 | jmarsden: oh. wait |
| 02:14.39 | ringo_ | question about cups, what is the username and password? |
| 02:15.07 | WormFood | ringo_, did you try "root" and whatever your root password is? |
| 02:15.17 | ringo_ | yes WormFood |
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| 02:15.28 | rooted-insideme | anyone have any suggestions on what I could try? |
| 02:15.35 | ringo_ | admin and root pw, blank etc |
| 02:15.52 | WormFood | dunno |
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| 02:16.10 | jenev | WormFood, im assuming hex, cause it has a mixture letters and numbers |
| 02:16.23 | WormFood | are all the letters between A and F? |
| 02:16.41 | jenev | yup |
| 02:16.53 | owen1 | jmarsden: http://pastebin.com/xB1JrArX |
| 02:17.10 | jenev | its like XXXXYYXXXX where X = number Y = letter |
| 02:17.14 | WormFood | AA432100BB <-- like this? |
| 02:17.44 | WormFood | same number of digits? (the letters are also digits in this case) |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | owen1: -cvf ? |
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| 02:19.21 | jmarsden | abrotman: Shouldn't matter whether you use the - or not. I'm wondering who owns ~/.profile and who is running the command... |
| 02:19.23 | WormFood | jenev, I'd suggest you turn off any network managers, and configure the wireless card to use WEP with iwconfig (set the password and channel and ssid with iwconfig) |
| 02:19.37 | abrotman | jmarsden: some apps care .. i can't remember which do |
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| 02:19.51 | abrotman | jmarsden: or perhaps he can't write to that directory? |
| 02:20.01 | owen1 | jmarsden: doesn't work with - |
| 02:20.03 | WormFood | jenev, also, does your wireless card need firmware? Make sure any firmware that may be needed is available...check the system logs, and see if you get any errors about loading firmware |
| 02:20.06 | abrotman | jmarsden: but since he omimtted some sutff .. |
| 02:20.13 | jenev | WormFood, i'll try that |
| 02:20.14 | jmarsden | owen1: Are you logged in as the user oren ? |
| 02:20.30 | owen1 | jmarsden: yeah |
| 02:20.40 | WormFood | jenev, good luck. I have to install a Linux server now, and gotta split. |
| 02:20.42 | jmarsden | owen1: OK, and what does pwd output? |
| 02:21.04 | jenev | WormFood, k cool |
| 02:21.18 | owen1 | jmarsden: /home/oren |
| 02:21.30 | abrotman | owen1: ls -l /home/oren/.profile |
| 02:21.37 | jenev | gonna try fixing this thing |
| 02:21.44 | jmarsden | owen1: OK, now we need to see who owns that directory... ls -ld /home/oren |
| 02:21.45 | jenev | i'll report from linux when i do :D |
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| 02:22.56 | jmarsden | abrotman: The cannot stat error msg was about testing.tar, not on .profile ... I think. |
| 02:23.17 | owen1 | jmarsden: drwxr-xr-x 37 oren oren 4096 Jul 10 19:19 /home/oren |
| 02:24.31 | jmarsden | owen1: That looks normal to me. OK, just in case, what does ls -l ~/.profile output? |
| 02:25.51 | rooted-insideme | can someone please look at this http://pastebin.com/DkFRwBnw and let me know if they see any issues on why I can't get a higher resolution than 1024x768 |
| 02:25.51 | owen1 | jmarsden: -rw-r--r-- 1 oren oren 675 May 13 20:19 /home/oren/.profile |
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| 02:28.41 | jmarsden | owen1: So that is all "normal"... what does touch testing.tar && ls -l testing.tar show you? |
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| 02:29.36 | owen1 | jm |
| 02:29.47 | owen1 | jmarsden: -rw-r--r-- 1 oren oren 0 Jul 10 19:28 testing.tar |
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| 02:30.22 | jmarsden | So touch worked, but tar does not work for you... odd. What does type -a tar say? |
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| 02:31.43 | owen1 | jmarsden: tar is aliased to `tar -zcvf' |
| 02:31.44 | owen1 | tar is /bin/tar |
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| 02:32.03 | jmarsden | who aliased tar, and why? |
| 02:32.07 | jmarsden | do unalias tar |
| 02:32.19 | jmarsden | and then try tar cvf testing.tar ~/.profile again! |
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| 02:33.00 | Abyssion | "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" <-- Is this a good way to add a Debian iso file to a USB drive if you want to boot off of it? |
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| 02:33.53 | Lars_G | Excuse me for the Hazzle, but neither Russ Allbery or Andreas Beckman is here. right? |
| 02:34.33 | owen1 | jmarsden: works now. i aliased it a while ago. i can't remember by heart the different arguments for tar. |
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| 02:35.03 | jmarsden | owen1: man tar will help with that :) |
| 02:35.15 | jmarsden | owen1: You may want to type alias |
| 02:35.19 | owen1 | jmarsden: thanks a lot |
| 02:35.35 | jmarsden | owen1: and then unalias any other strange aliases you have lying around. You're welcome. |
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| 03:24.27 | Abyssion | "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" <-- Is this a good way to add a Debian iso file to a USB drive if you want to boot off of it? |
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| 03:26.10 | babilen | Abyssion: yes, that is the recommended way -- see the installation manual |
| 03:26.13 | babilen | %usb install |
| 03:26.13 | dselect | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 03:26.42 | Abyssion | babilen: I got it from the installation manual, but earlier I'd heard that you should dd the image onto your drive instead |
| 03:26.59 | babilen | cat, dd, cp -- all work. |
| 03:27.13 | Abyssion | That method presents a problem as it erases the current filesystem and partition table, so you have to reset it |
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| 03:27.46 | babilen | Indeed -- See "the flexible way" for a, well, more flexible approach. |
| 03:28.03 | Abyssion | Is dselect the new dpkg or something? |
| 03:28.12 | babilen | yes |
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| 03:28.20 | Abyssion | mk |
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| 03:29.48 | Abyssion | Also, does anyone here know anything about a bug wherein if you start the computer with a USB device plugged in, then unplug it without mounting it, you get a kernel failure and your system will not shut down? |
| 03:30.06 | Abyssion | without unmounting it* |
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| 03:40.48 | penrod | I am looking for an example of udev and changing the scsi disk labelling. I have a system with a scsi disk ( boot) and a 3ware raid. It keeps selecting the raid as sda then sdb, while the boot disk is sdc.... any ideas ? |
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| 03:41.59 | jmarsden | penrod: A decade or so ago, you could sometimes change that sort of thing by swapping which motherboard slots the two SCSI controllers were in... |
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| 03:42.22 | stew | penrod: forget about the labels and use uuids instead? (/msg dselect uuid) |
| 03:42.38 | penrod | jmarsedn, thought of that , and tried it to no avail. |
| 03:42.59 | stew | (or instead of uuids, use filesystem labels) |
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| 03:44.17 | penrod | filesystem labels ? do you know of a good "howto" ? |
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| 03:46.33 | peterrooney | dslect: dselectbot |
| 03:46.41 | peterrooney | deslect: dselectbot |
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| 03:46.56 | peterrooney | wonders how many more typos he's in for today |
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| 03:51.51 | jmarsden | %dselectbot |
| 03:51.51 | dselect | The bot "dselect" is a back-up bot for dpkg when it needs a rest. His database is a snapshot of dpkg's, factoid editing is disabled. The address character for dselect is %. |
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| 04:30.15 | Raptors | yo |
| 04:30.32 | Raptors | Is there a way to check if SSH is running and if it's not reconnect to it? |
| 04:31.09 | Raptors | I know you can use crontab but I'm not sure how you do it with a password protected SSH proxy |
| 04:31.13 | tharkun | ps aux|grep ssh |
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| 04:32.55 | Raptors | tharkun, how do you do it if it requires a pass? |
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| 04:34.00 | tharkun | Raptors: I believe i did not understood your whole question could you rephrase it please |
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| 04:39.04 | Raptors | tharkun, I need to enter a password to connect to the SSH proxy |
| 04:39.24 | Raptors | How would I automate that |
| 04:39.29 | daniel-s | no dpkg? |
| 04:39.35 | Raptors | ? |
| 04:39.37 | tharkun | Raptors: use keys |
| 04:39.52 | Raptors | How? |
| 04:40.12 | daniel-s | sorry Raptors, I was referring to the absence of our beloved bot |
| 04:40.28 | Raptors | o... |
| 04:40.38 | tharkun | daniel-s: dselect is around |
| 04:41.06 | tharkun | Raptors: man ssh |less +/AUTHENTICATION |
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| 04:43.56 | Raptors | tharkun, I dont own the server.. |
| 04:44.01 | Raptors | I don't think I can use a key |
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| 04:46.15 | buni | hi |
| 04:48.09 | darmster | hi |
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| 04:50.27 | porygon2 | hello |
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| 04:51.24 | thinkster | I wish to reverse the alt and ctl keys mapping |
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| 04:51.48 | thinkster | I wish alt were ctl and ctl were alt. To prevent carple tunnel when using emacs |
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| 04:58.46 | tharkun | thinkster: use vim ;P pun intended |
| 04:59.21 | thinkster | tharkun, can you change the background from black to white in VIM? |
| 04:59.21 | jmarsden | thinkster: I think xmodmap can be made to do that. |
| 04:59.39 | thinkster | I think it can be done in emacs too |
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| 04:59.41 | thinkster | jmarsden, thx |
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| 05:01.06 | tharkun | thinkster: there is gvim that i know can do a lot of stuff and yes i believe you can in vim although i still prefer it black :) |
| 05:01.40 | thinkster | tharkun, if you use it, and even if you prefer black, you should be able to change it the first time easily |
| 05:01.58 | thinkster | tharkun, actually, I don't know how in emacs either |
| 05:02.00 | jmarsden | thinkster: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MovingTheCtrlKey has info on key remapping that could help you. |
| 05:02.13 | thinkster | but if I want black I run in shell, and if I want white I run in white shell |
| 05:02.20 | thinkster | jmarsden, thx |
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| 05:04.23 | jmarsden | For emacs color themes, see http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ColorTheme |
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| 05:06.20 | thinkster | jmarsden, so sweet. I am using the command line shift solution: setxkbmap -option “ctrl:nocaps” |
| 05:06.56 | thinkster | shift is a much better way than even alt, now I don't even have to twist my thumb to the alt key, I can keep using my pinky |
| 05:07.35 | thinkster | I used to use my left pinky for the control and hit x-s, but it was kinda uncomfortable, but shift is perfect |
| 05:07.46 | thinkster | Man...I wish I did this years ago |
| 05:08.08 | jmarsden | Years ago, keyboard had the ctrl key where the caps lock key is now :) :) |
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| 05:10.21 | thinkster | I know with windows, but even on windows, you use the ctrl keys most, so it is at an uncomfortable position for them too |
| 05:10.43 | minsa | please help with dependencies : http://pastebin.com/NGhNH2WU |
| 05:11.24 | minsa | The only non official repository I have is : deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main |
| 05:11.38 | minsa | now it looks like there are some dependencies problem. |
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| 05:16.20 | minsa | going to reboot |
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| 05:19.26 | Meshezabeel | Greetings, I am getting a 500 error rather than a 404 error on non-existing pages. I have even tried setting up an .htaccess file with "ErrorDocument 404 /notfound.html" but it is still not helping. |
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| 05:20.23 | Meshezabeel | In the error.log file I am getting: "Request exceeded the limit of 10 internal redirects due to probable configuration error...." |
| 05:22.00 | Meshezabeel | I have turned debugging on, and this is what I get: http://pastebin.com/SRcJyCjV . Many of the lines say: "redirected from r->uri = /index.php". Yet, I don't know where this "index.php" reference is coming from. |
| 05:22.03 | Meshezabeel | Any ideas? |
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| 05:23.23 | minsa | back. |
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| 05:25.13 | neuronic | Meshezabeel: server misconfig |
| 05:26.29 | Meshezabeel | neuronic: obviously, but how can I track down what the misconfiguration is? |
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| 05:27.45 | neuronic | Meshezabeel: turn off all redirecting parts enable step by step |
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| 05:28.49 | neuronic | Meshezabeel: dunno ur config misconfig could be anywhere |
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| 05:31.58 | Meshezabeel | neuronic: basically this is a brand new server, so I have not changed much, I have set up a couple of vhost files, I have not really done any redirection. |
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| 05:34.11 | minsa | how do I resolve the dependency problem ? |
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| 05:35.57 | stew | minsa: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 05:36.21 | Meshezabeel | Is there anywhere that apache sets an automatic redirect to index.php for 404 errors? |
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| 05:37.09 | stew | Meshezabeel: certainly not by default |
| 05:39.21 | vikapi | Meshezabeel, ErrorDocument won't work |
| 05:39.27 | vikapi | ?? |
| 05:40.21 | Meshezabeel | vikapi: well, it doesn't seem to be working for me. It is the only line in my .htaccess file, but apache is still trying to redirect to index.php (I can't seem to find that redirect in any file). |
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| 05:43.24 | minsa | stew: http://pastebin.com/syuAE5gS |
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| 05:43.55 | vikapi | is the site virtual hosted?? |
| 05:44.13 | Meshezabeel | vikapi: yes |
| 05:44.47 | vikapi | Meshezabeel, can u paste the content of virtual host?? |
| 05:45.14 | minsa | stew: currently, I cannot install anythin. |
| 05:45.17 | neuronic | Meshezabeel: the override rule in vhost config and correct path to the error document in vhost root dir is present i guess ? |
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| 05:46.14 | neuronic | Meshezabeel: err ... i mean the error doc in vhost dir is present ? |
| 05:46.19 | minsa | sample dependecy error : http://pastebin.com/NGhNH2WU |
| 05:46.59 | minsa | starting from kde-runtime and the rest of the entries show up as error every time. |
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| 05:47.09 | stew | minsa: try installing one of the dependencies and see why it cannot be installed, such as libghc-cgi-dev |
| 05:47.20 | stew | minsa: or try using aptitude, which would probably think about this harder |
| 05:47.41 | stew | minsa: and consider upgrading packages in general first with aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade |
| 05:48.29 | Meshezabeel | neuronic, vikapi, I think I found the problem in the virtual host file, give me a moment |
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| 05:49.42 | minsa | stew: I have never used aptitude and now can't install aptitude. |
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| 05:51.19 | minsa | stew: here is the output of trying to install libghc-cgi-dev |
| 05:51.25 | minsa | http://pastebin.com/KB4pV1TD |
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| 05:52.36 | vikapi | minsa, y don't u use apt-get install -f?? |
| 05:52.38 | stew | minsa: try installing one of the dependencies and see why it cannot be installed, such as kdelibs5-plugins |
| 05:52.51 | vikapi | and fix it.? |
| 05:53.14 | Guest-1549 | hi has anyone booted linux from cd onto a powerbook g4 with yaboot? |
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| 05:53.30 | rozie | minsa: do you mix Debian versions or modified sources.list recently? |
| 05:54.22 | minsa | rozie: I went from squeez ---> testing ---> unstable . |
| 05:54.40 | Meshezabeel | vikapi, neuronic, thanks for your help, it was actually a problem in my virtual host file, I didn't notice there was a redirect in there. |
| 05:54.56 | rozie | BTW it's strange question for someone who decided to use unstable |
| 05:55.04 | minsa | vikapi, I tried apt-get install -f but not working. |
| 05:55.05 | neuronic | Guest-1549: on ibook g4, yes |
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| 05:55.30 | rozie | minsa: looks like not everything was upgraded or something in unstable is broken right now |
| 05:55.37 | Guest-1549 | neuronic: when i run boot:,\install\yaboot it just halts |
| 05:55.51 | rozie | minsa: I'd stick to stable + backports or CUT if I were you |
| 05:56.08 | stew | minsa: see what happens if you try to upgrade kdelibs5-plugins. when that also breaks because of dependencies, try installing those. keep going tuntil you find a root cause |
| 05:56.19 | stew | minsa: "apt-get -f dist-upgrade" is also worth a try |
| 05:56.21 | neuronic | Meshezabeel: np |
| 05:56.47 | neuronic | Guest-1549: hold on |
| 05:56.49 | minsa | stew: doing dist-upgrade now |
| 05:57.30 | minsa | it would be another 20 minutes or so. |
| 05:57.48 | minsa | thnx rozie, stew, and vikapi. I will see what will happen. |
| 05:58.00 | minsa | I dpkg --purge the packages with the problem. |
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| 05:58.30 | minsa | maybe that's not a good move but I will reinstall them once the depency is solved. |
| 05:58.45 | rozie | this is not the way it should work... |
| 05:58.59 | rozie | 1. no apt-pinning |
| 05:59.03 | minsa | I change sources.list without doing `apt-get dist-upgrade`. |
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| 05:59.09 | minsa | that might be the source of the problem |
| 05:59.10 | rozie | 2. add entries for unstable |
| 05:59.20 | rozie | 3. dist-upgrade |
| 05:59.36 | Big_Brother | how do i change nvidia settings to something finer than 75x75DPI? |
| 05:59.41 | rozie | minsa: well, without dist-upgrade you have no pure unstable |
| 06:00.04 | rozie | and this will make problems ;-) |
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| 06:00.39 | rozie | "problem" is said too much, it's just unstable... |
| 06:00.57 | minsa | yeah.. I check the change log for kde4libs and 4.4.6.4-1 has been released since 6-24-2011 but that was the library I was having problem with. |
| 06:01.17 | minsa | I meant released in sid. |
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| 06:04.10 | neuronic | Guest-1549: do you get any kernel msgs ? |
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| 06:04.23 | Guest-1549 | neuronic: the system just freezes |
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| 06:08.32 | minsa | generally, I never have problems with unstable, even this is my own fault. I missed one step. |
| 06:08.36 | minsa | one important step. |
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| 06:10.56 | neuronic | Guest-1549: bootup from install cd while keeping the "c" key pressed during bootup doesn't work ? |
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| 06:11.46 | Abyssion | In Synaptic, how can I tell which repository a given package is coming from? |
| 06:12.46 | Guest-1549 | neuronic: yeah does not work |
| 06:13.44 | neuronic | Guest-1549: which install media do u use ? |
| 06:14.12 | Abyssion | I want to install the debian-reference package but Synaptic reports that some of its dependencies (like debian-reference-common and debian-reference-en) can't be authenticated |
| 06:14.25 | Guest-1549 | neuronic: cd install |
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| 06:14.46 | Abyssion | This would suggest that debian-reference is in the main repository: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/debian-reference |
| 06:14.52 | Guest-1549 | neuronic: with the debian 6.0.2.1 ppc net install |
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| 06:15.18 | Abyssion | So I dunno why a package from the main Debian repo would be unable to authenticate |
| 06:16.36 | neuronic | Guest-1549: well, it's long time ago i installed it on my ibook i think its possible you have to append some kernel parameters |
| 06:17.04 | neuronic | Guest-1549: but don't ask me which ones |
| 06:17.51 | Guest-1549 | neuronic: ok thanks |
| 06:18.51 | neuronic | Guest-1549: Guest-1549 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s04.html.en |
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| 06:30.18 | minsa | stew: I did apt-get -f dist-upgrade but the problem is still there. |
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| 06:31.03 | neuronic | Guest-1549: still there ? |
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| 06:31.52 | scanf | hi, I am trying to make a small install of a linux for a VM, i need it to have LVM+LUKS support, httpd support, and nfsclient support. Can I get debian small enough? And How? Can someone point me in the right direction and tell me if debian if the right choice |
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| 06:33.00 | Doranwen | info for question, question will follow: our Internet setup at home is such that all traffic runs through a computer-turned-server running Debian 2.6.18 (it was set up by my ex-boyfriend, as I am not as knowledgeable) |
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| 06:34.12 | Doranwen | in the last few months I had a friend help me set up a script using vnstat to monitor bandwidth used on the outgoing nic, and it's been showing nightly large jumps in bandwidth used; I was able to rule out the actual computers, which leaves the server itself (or someone hijacking our wireless, but it's WPA so not likely), I've tried everything I know how to google and try to figure out what could be causing it and am stumped |
| 06:34.41 | somiaj | scanf: you can play around with debootstrap and putting debian + packages you need in a chroot and check the size. But you can probabaly get it under a gig. Base system is a few hundered megs then just add what you need on top of that. |
| 06:35.16 | Guest-1549 | neuronic: yeah |
| 06:35.52 | neuronic | Guest-1549: just an idea ... u sure u use the 32bit install media ? |
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| 06:36.18 | Guest-1549 | neuronic: i think it has both 32 and 64 |
| 06:36.42 | Doranwen | I'm ok using a command line if I know what I'm supposed to type, but I'm just not geeky enough to know what to do here; not sure if this is the right channel but since the computer's running debian I figured I would try here |
| 06:36.42 | Guest-1549 | neuronic: i think it may be because i didnt setup the macinstallation with bootcamp and refit? |
| 06:37.36 | Doranwen | should say it was the *kernel* 2.6.18, but you probably figured that out already |
| 06:38.03 | neuronic | Guest-1549: got me sorry ... played around with bsd last days the medias differ there ...sorry |
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| 06:39.43 | neuronic | Guest-1549: puh dunno ... lasttime i used my mac is about 3 years ago or so ... think someone else has got to help u out |
| 06:39.58 | neuronic | Guest-1549: sorry |
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| 06:42.32 | neuronic | Doranwen: the server is genrating traffic not caused by any offical user from the internal network, is that right ? |
| 06:42.57 | neuronic | Doranwen: hopefully u pulled the plug :D |
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| 06:48.42 | Doranwen | neuronic: well, I compared the amount of bandwidth that vnstat reported consumed overnight with what process explorer reported for the two computers, and there was a major gap by several gigs |
| 06:49.17 | neuronic | Doranwen: damn ... thats a lot |
| 06:49.25 | Doranwen | I didn't shut my parents' computer down 'cause I didn't have a chance to ask them last night, and I run mine overnight because I have RSS feeds that update at least every hour |
| 06:49.29 | Doranwen | yeah, that same amount just about every night |
| 06:50.00 | Doranwen | with a 250 gig cap from our ISP, it really restricts our activities online |
| 06:50.11 | Dr_Cli | you might want to change your router passwords and set up mac filtering |
| 06:50.45 | Doranwen | router password could be changed pretty easily, mac filtering worries me just a little because of a complex situation that I don't know how to undo |
| 06:50.47 | neuronic | Dr_Cli: won't be enough i think |
| 06:51.17 | Doranwen | involving a laptop I used to have the mac hardset to a specific IP, and my efforts to un-set that when I switched computers |
| 06:51.47 | Dr_Cli | you also might want to check out your crontab, logs, etc |
| 06:52.02 | Doranwen | that's what I don't know how to do |
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| 06:52.32 | Doranwen | I have been struggling to figure out what things I should be looking at, what commands to type, and finding I just don't know enough |
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| 06:53.33 | Doranwen | is there a way to see who is connected to the server at any one point? the computers, I mean, not just active connections |
| 06:54.12 | Dr_Cli | well you said these computers where set up by a ex significant other ? |
| 06:54.24 | Doranwen | yeah |
| 06:54.24 | neuronic | Doranwen: sure |
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| 06:54.44 | Dr_Cli | why not ask this significant other to take a look at it ? |
| 06:54.45 | Doranwen | at one point he had it backing up to his server and vice versa, but a long time ago he said he canceled all that |
| 06:54.54 | Doranwen | things are a little awkward between us right now |
| 06:55.14 | neuronic | Doranwen: so you do not trust him anymore ? |
| 06:55.15 | Doranwen | and I'm quite hesitant to contact him at all for that reason |
| 06:55.32 | Doranwen | neuronic: I don't necessarily distrust him, but I'd like to find out for sure |
| 06:55.44 | neuronic | Doranwen: yeah |
| 06:55.51 | Doranwen | neuronic: it's one possibility for the data usage, but not necessarily THE cause |
| 06:56.08 | Doranwen | I'd also like to find out if someone else has been accessing our Internet |
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| 06:56.16 | Doranwen | it nearly always does the jump between midnight and 1 a.m. |
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| 06:56.46 | Doranwen | if I stay up past 1 or so, the data flow stays much more normal, but during that hour it can jump anywhere from 3-6 gigs total, usually semi-even split between d/l and u/l |
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| 06:57.59 | Dr_Cli | did the ex have access to the wireless router too ? |
| 06:58.15 | neuronic | Doranwen: checked the logfiles ? |
| 06:58.17 | Doranwen | he set up most of it long distance--had me dumb the wireless down to a mere switch |
| 06:58.29 | nevyn | Doranwen: unravelling this stuff requires more skill than is required to set it up. |
| 06:58.33 | Doranwen | neuronic: how do I check the log files? |
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| 06:59.18 | Doranwen | well, I should say, what log files should I be looking at? |
| 06:59.54 | nevyn | Doranwen: if you genuinely no longer trust a person who was the admin the least expensive option will be to wipe everything with configuration back to stock restore your data and reconfigure everything. otherwise it's very difficult to be absolutely certain you've got everything |
| 06:59.56 | Doranwen | I can figure out how to look at a file, but I don't know what I should be looking at |
| 07:00.18 | Dr_Cli | imho, you need to start with resetting passwords across the lan, starting with the wireless router |
| 07:00.19 | neuronic | Doranwen: /var/log/auth.log /var/log/syslog etc. |
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| 07:00.48 | nevyn | Dr_Cli: and authorized_keys |
| 07:00.59 | Doranwen | nevyn: I trust him in the sense that I don't think he would do anything maliciously--so if there's anything left over, I would put it to negligence; we parted awkwardly (and he's since married) but not on bitter terms |
| 07:01.59 | buhman | that was scary; I was in the middle of copying a few hundred gb to removable media, and then all the sudden the music I was listening to stopped playing, all disk activity ceased, the mouse was unresponsive, and I was suddenly unable to scroll on the web page I was viewing |
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| 07:02.17 | buhman | the system was frozen for about 30 seconds, and then picked up right where it left off |
| 07:02.28 | buhman | what in the name just happened? |
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| 07:03.18 | jelly-home | buhman: usb? |
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| 07:04.01 | buhman | jelly-home: yes |
| 07:04.26 | jelly-home | it happens |
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| 07:04.51 | buhman | jelly-home: I just about shit my pants in those 30 seconds; I'd certianly like to think it doesn't "just happen"... |
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| 07:06.19 | jelly-home | but it does |
| 07:06.25 | buhman | jelly-home: why? |
| 07:06.40 | buhman | how? |
| 07:07.03 | jelly-home | I'm unsure to whether usr host drivers or osr host hardware is to blame |
| 07:07.10 | jelly-home | erm. |
| 07:07.20 | jelly-home | s/(usr|osr)/USB/ |
| 07:07.20 | buhman | jelly-home: both possiblities are equally as terrifying |
| 07:07.55 | jelly-home | buhman: it's not as much "territying" as "fact of life" |
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| 07:08.17 | Doranwen | neuronic: hmm, I'm not seeing anything other than me or the server's necessary processes so far, but I'll keep an eye out as the hour goes on and see if I can pick up anything |
| 07:08.22 | jelly-home | buhman: switch to eSATA if you want your bull copying to register less |
| 07:08.25 | buhman | jelly-home: what's the difference? |
| 07:08.28 | jelly-home | bulk dammit |
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| 07:08.32 | neuronic | Doranwen: remote access (ssh, ...) still open to the outside world ? maybe you should shut down all remote access for a few days and watch your traffic behaviour. |
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| 07:08.41 | introuble- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.57 | neuronic | Doranwen: change all passwords an keys |
| 07:09.16 | buhman | jelly-home: umm how do I get esata on a craptop with no pcmcia/express? |
| 07:09.43 | jelly-home | buhman: get better hardware or live with it, I guess |
| 07:10.01 | buhman | jelly-home: that would also mean I'd need to upgrade all of my disk drives/enclosures :S |
| 07:10.29 | buhman | jelly-home: but that's an interesting idea; I'll keep that in mind whenever I do go about upgrading my hardware |
| 07:10.31 | neuronic | Doranwen: if you are really paranoid install rkhunter and chkrootkit and check the system |
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| 07:11.25 | neuronic | Doranwen: those apps are looking for possible backdoors |
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| 07:14.16 | neuronic | Doranwen: but as u say you are not so geeky - i dunno if you know how to interpret the ouput of those apps |
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| 07:15.33 | Doranwen | neuronic: not so much paranoid as puzzled, and it really depends how much I understand or not |
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| 07:18.03 | introuble- | i need a free php app like http://www.hesk.com/demo/ but with more options, like time to complete allowed and time completed in . some bar graphs of time management and some more features. and ideas ? |
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| 07:18.36 | inkvizitor68sl | introuble-: OTRS ? |
| 07:19.13 | introuble- | inkvizitor68sl whats otrs? |
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| 07:20.26 | inkvizitor68sl | introuble-: http://www.google.ru/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=otrs you're too lazy to google )? |
| 07:21.10 | antivirtel` | Hello! I'm using the transmission-daemon, and I want to use (the HTTPS) transmission-remote-gui over SSL... how can I config SSL? |
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| 07:22.51 | OrigenAG | Hi Guys, I can see a file is open using lsof but I cannot see what process has that file open using ps. Is there another method I can use? |
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| 07:24.47 | dawud | OrigenAG: lsof -P |
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| 07:25.37 | introuble- | inkvizitor68sl i saw otrs, its nice. but i need a php app. like hesk.com |
| 07:26.19 | Doranwen | well, I've looked over all the users and groups, the setup's still the same as it was before, both logs are showing a bunch of cron stuff and dhcp requests for the two computers online |
| 07:26.49 | inkvizitor68sl | introuble-: http://osticket.com/ |
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| 07:27.18 | OrigenAG | dawud: Thanks. It looks like the issue may be because I sym linked a hidden directory of root to a the array I want to umount. Should that matter if the process that writes to that dir isnt in use? |
| 07:27.21 | inkvizitor68sl | and yep, php is suxx |
| 07:27.51 | Doranwen | I did figure out what he used for dhcp (dnsmasq)--I tried googling to find out how to tell what computers were handed dhcp leases and all the commands referred to other services for that so I was stuck--maybe now that I know this I can look up if someone is connected that shouldn't be? |
| 07:28.49 | dawud | OrigenAG: sure thing is that if lsof shows something under mount_point as in use, you can't umount |
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| 07:30.53 | Bushmills | Doranwen: dnsmasq writes a file, or can be instructed to write a file, usually called dhcp.leases, containg date, mac, ip address and, if provided, host name per lease |
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| 07:31.33 | neuronic | Doranwen: does the router manage the wlan as well as wired ? in that case yes otherwise someone is connecting to the router from the outside by a service running on it without using dhcp |
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| 07:31.59 | Guest-1549 | has anyone install linux on a mac without refit? |
| 07:32.30 | OrigenAG | dawud: Thanks, it was my mistake. I wasnt reading the output and assumed I realised what the problem was. My tty1 console in another room was in that dir. Thank you |
| 07:32.39 | Doranwen | Bushmills: I found the list of leases, there are three; the parents', mine, and a third--which I don't know if it's someone else or my brother's laptop which he shuts down every night and has shut down for probably an hour now |
| 07:33.46 | Bushmills | Doranwen: dhcp requests are broadcast, and not routed - unlikely that your dhcp server grants a lease to a system over internet |
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| 07:34.02 | Doranwen | neuronic: I'm not quite sure exactly what your asking, but the wireless router does nothing but pass stuff to the server--the server manages all the dhcp--we turned off all the ability for the wireless to do anything but act as a switch |
| 07:34.48 | neuronic | Doranwen: ah ok |
| 07:34.58 | dawud | OrigenAG: np |
| 07:35.21 | neuronic | Bushmills: damn u r right |
| 07:35.41 | Doranwen | Bushmills: I don't think I quite understand, I'm sorry |
| 07:35.50 | Doranwen | I feel like I half-get it though |
| 07:36.26 | Bushmills | the dhcp server repleis only to your local users |
| 07:36.29 | Bushmills | replies |
| 07:36.59 | Doranwen | right |
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| 07:37.40 | Doranwen | if someone was next door using the wireless, they could be that third ip, right? |
| 07:37.52 | Bushmills | for example. |
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| 07:38.31 | Doranwen | it's likely just my brother's laptop, but that would depend on how long it stays in the list when it's not using the 'net, since it's shut off right now |
| 07:38.55 | Bushmills | doesn't dhcp.leases show names? |
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| 07:39.12 | Bushmills | those could give some clue what system that is |
| 07:39.21 | neuronic | Doranwen: well, u can compare the mac addresses u got with the one form ur bro laptop |
| 07:39.35 | Doranwen | my parents' computer and mine have names, this one only has a mac |
| 07:39.52 | Doranwen | and I don't know what that laptop's mac is right now |
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| 07:40.53 | Doranwen | I can find out tomorrow, but I'd wake him up if I went in the room right now |
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| 07:42.11 | Doranwen | how long do leases stay active when a computer's turned off? I assume not too long |
| 07:42.20 | cusco | hi |
| 07:42.23 | cusco | I have a file with several lines, some of them repeated. I can use sort -u to get unique lines, however how do I find lines ocurring more than once? |
| 07:42.28 | Doranwen | or maybe that depends on the settings of the program |
| 07:42.32 | Bushmills | depends on how the computer is turned off |
| 07:42.57 | Doranwen | complete shut down; hibernate doesn't work very well on that one |
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| 07:43.31 | Bushmills | if the computer has the chance - and does - release the lease, the server will forget about it right away |
| 07:43.55 | cusco | nvm, uniq -d |
| 07:44.50 | Doranwen | Bushmills: rofl, nvm, his computer is still on--he fell asleep before getting to bed, so he never got around to shutting it down |
| 07:44.54 | Doranwen | so that is definitely that laptop |
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| 07:45.59 | Doranwen | anyway, I'm going to bet that whatever it is is automated due to the very consistent time at which it happens--every night after midnight |
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| 07:49.37 | neuronic | Doranwen: getup at that time do a netstat, top, ps, last, etc. check the logs and u will know ... have a nice one ;) |
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| 07:52.42 | Doranwen | neuronic: ty :) |
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| 07:59.35 | Talon_ | is there a repository for squeeze that contains node.js? seems to be one for wheezy and sid. |
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| 08:00.41 | nsadmin | dselect, apt-file |
| 08:00.41 | dselect | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 08:02.00 | nsadmin | Talon_, see above. |
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| 08:02.24 | Talon_ | k, doin an update, seems to be taking a while. |
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| 08:02.48 | nsadmin | lots of files in debian packages, so that's to be expected |
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| 08:04.06 | buhman | what's going on with these shenanigans? http://paste.pound-python.org/show/9401/ |
| 08:04.15 | buhman | bashed caused a kernel panic? am I reading this right? |
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| 08:05.15 | Talon_ | lol apt-file search node spits out so many results i can't even read them all, and search node.js yields no results |
| 08:05.28 | Talon_ | same for nodejs |
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| 08:25.03 | simonlnu | buhman: look at line 1. bash probably tried to access some virtual memory and there was some some sort of error in the paging area (e.g. swap) and triggered a kernel bug. |
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| 08:33.47 | Bushmills | buhman: "bash" or a program, executed through bash? |
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| 08:37.27 | simonlnu | didn't think of that, be could be. |
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| 08:44.50 | antivirtel | do I need something to support EFI/GPT partitions(the bigger then 2 TB) on squeeze? |
| 08:44.56 | Bushmills | "any command line program" is often used synonymously with "bash" |
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| 08:49.43 | MoonTiger | guys i have to say i am very disappointed with debian wheezy as it is currently |
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| 08:49.53 | MoonTiger | i have used debian testing for 7+yrs |
| 08:50.04 | MoonTiger | and this version is pretty bad right now |
| 08:50.23 | MoonTiger | is it still very early days? |
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| 08:52.31 | Bushmills | sounds like it's doing a good job at requiring some test. how could you be disappointed about that? |
| 08:52.58 | MoonTiger | Bushmills, i guess i'm not used to debian testing being quite so "testing" |
| 08:53.10 | Bushmills | you run wheezy for some testing, therefore improving it, right? |
| 08:53.26 | MoonTiger | well not really... it's kinda unusable for me right now |
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| 08:53.27 | themill | MoonTiger: testing is called testing for a reason |
| 08:53.28 | Bushmills | or is your issue that wheezy isn't stable? |
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| 08:54.04 | MoonTiger | ok so clean install of wheezy yesterday from latest installer image .... install xfce + slim .... the system just doesnt work right |
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| 08:54.21 | MoonTiger | cannot reboot or shutdown from closing dialog |
| 08:54.46 | MoonTiger | networkmanager doesn't connect to networks |
| 08:54.47 | Bushmills | that's good. now determine the cause of the problem |
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| 08:55.08 | MoonTiger | Bushmills, i spent 3hrs googling for the issues yesterday and found nothing |
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| 08:55.17 | Bushmills | and you'll get the fuzzy warm feeling of having contributed to improving debian :) |
| 08:55.24 | MoonTiger | yah i know |
| 08:55.30 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 08:55.37 | SkilZ | whats the best gui program to view and connect/disconnect wifi networks? |
| 08:55.51 | MoonTiger | SkilZ, apparently not networkmanager right now |
| 08:55.56 | MoonTiger | ;) |
| 08:56.05 | Bushmills | SkilZ: wicd is popular with those who don't like network manager |
| 08:56.10 | MoonTiger | kills a mosquito |
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| 09:24.05 | introuble | i need a free php app like http://www.hesk.com/demo/ but with more options, like time to complete allowed and time completed in . some bar graphs of time management and some more features. and ideas ? |
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| 09:25.09 | _KaszpiR_ | glpi |
| 09:25.22 | _KaszpiR_ | but it may not have graphs ou desire |
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| 09:42.08 | hyper_ch | hi there, what package does provide ifconfig? |
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| 09:42.26 | hyper_ch | I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze and have network problems... and when I call ifconfig, nothing is returned |
| 09:42.31 | deathtje | net-utils or something hyper_ch |
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| 09:42.56 | deathtje | or gives a command not found ? |
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| 09:49.48 | introuble | i have some php files that work with mysql , hesk.com . how can i run those files and edit their code. i have ruby but i cant use it. |
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| 09:51.09 | workflow | how to send email in linux? |
| 09:51.16 | hwq001 | introuble: don't post yr ad here |
| 09:51.40 | introuble | hwq001 its a questions |
| 09:51.55 | hwq001 | don't fool me |
| 09:52.04 | introuble | please answer qustion |
| 09:52.21 | hwq001 | you keep post your hesk.com on other channel as well |
| 09:53.04 | krmX | hello. how can I monitor L2 (data-link layer) bandwidth usage from debian? |
| 09:53.20 | krmX | I got a dedicated L2 link between two lcoations from our ISP |
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| 10:00.55 | tux__ | What is the minimal needed for a chroot jail besides /chroot/bin/bash; and /lib/whatever |
| 10:00.57 | tux__ | ..? |
| 10:01.13 | tux__ | lots of docs from google, but not for debian |
| 10:01.33 | tux__ | just a simple cp /bin/bash /chroot/bin/bash |
| 10:02.37 | deathtje | tux__: copy /bin/bash and see what errors you will get |
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| 10:02.38 | CruX| | tux__: depends on what you wand to run within chroot |
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| 10:03.14 | CruX| | tux__: there is one tool caled cde, which can put all required software into chroot |
| 10:03.37 | hyper_ch | is there a way to regenerate the initrd somewhoe? |
| 10:03.47 | jelly | hyper_ch: use update-initramfs |
| 10:04.30 | tux__ | chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 10:04.31 | tux__ | ,,,, |
| 10:04.38 | hyper_ch | jelly: thx |
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| 10:05.35 | deathtje | tux__: is /bin/bash in your jail ? |
| 10:05.44 | tux__ | yes |
| 10:05.46 | tux__ | ;p |
| 10:05.58 | jelly | tux__: strace the command and see which syscall fails |
| 10:06.07 | deathtje | its in /jaillocation/bin/bash ? |
| 10:06.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | %wayttd |
| 10:06.30 | dselect | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 10:09.34 | jelly | we don't know but it sure seems to involve creating a smallest possible chroot |
| 10:09.52 | tux__ | jelly is rocking the socking |
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| 10:10.14 | jelly | no, that'd be strace |
| 10:10.21 | tux__ | no |
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| 10:10.31 | tux__ | still waiting on dist-upgrade |
| 10:11.10 | CruX| | tux__: all libraries for bash are within chroot path ? |
| 10:11.23 | tux__ | you need not ush, the mush |
| 10:11.27 | tux__ | *rush |
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| 10:20.22 | hyper_ch | jelly: got some time? |
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| 10:20.45 | jelly | hyper_ch: nope! |
| 10:20.51 | hyper_ch | :( |
| 10:21.03 | jelly | my time is expensive |
| 10:21.31 | hyper_ch | I altered /etc/network/interfaces and commented eht0 out of it and activated eth1 |
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| 10:21.42 | hyper_ch | after /etc/init.d/networking restart, still eth0 shows up and no eth1 |
| 10:21.57 | hyper_ch | I'm a bit at a loss of what's going on |
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| 10:26.15 | MoonTiger | guys the network manager wiki page is unreadable |
| 10:26.30 | MoonTiger | ive spent 30mins trying to make sense of the english written there |
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| 10:41.41 | phet | Hi I just installed Windows7 and now I am with Debian |
| 10:41.52 | phet | when I installed w7 I left 100g as free space that I want to use with debian |
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| 10:52.10 | pincy | hi, is there a way to tunnel the irc port on a server, with blocked irc port? |
| 10:55.01 | petemc | you can redirect one port to another, if thats what you mean |
| 10:55.45 | pincy | petemc: and do i do that? |
| 10:56.03 | phet | where in the installer can I partition the disk? |
| 10:56.28 | petemc | pincy: iptables, there are plenty of examples out there |
| 10:56.38 | petemc | phet: the partitioning section of the installer |
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| 10:57.04 | phet | I am there and I dont see it... it let me choose between guided and manual, guided seems to use the whole disk |
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| 10:57.22 | petemc | so choose manual if you want to do it yourself |
| 10:57.25 | phet | it is a 500g disk, 400g are already used with w7, and I want to install debian in that other 100g, which are "free" |
| 10:57.55 | phet | it correctly detects the 100g as free |
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| 10:58.20 | phet | but I dont know how to partition the 100g |
| 10:58.34 | phet | I just want to create one big partition for everything and one smaller for swap |
| 10:58.39 | OrigenAG | Hey guys, I have an LSI 8 port internal RAID card and the drive on slot 0 is missing. How can I identify which physical drive is on slot 0? |
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| 10:58.57 | petemc | phet: check the install guide, it should be simple to do what you need |
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| 10:59.19 | phet | well I cannot find the way to do it |
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| 11:01.05 | petemc | phet: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 11:03.29 | phet | Ok, done, I had to delete the partition |
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| 11:03.45 | phet | it was not formatted but probably windows did something strange there |
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| 11:05.15 | phet | Now I have to choose the deskpot :/ |
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| 11:06.04 | christiannnnn | hi |
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| 11:06.24 | christiannnnn | i installed php5 on my debian bu when i put php -v say command not found any help? |
| 11:06.54 | petemc | do you have php5-cli installed? |
| 11:06.57 | abrotman | did you install the php5-cli package? |
| 11:07.08 | christiannnnn | oh |
| 11:07.09 | christiannnnn | yea |
| 11:07.13 | christiannnnn | let me instal |
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| 11:07.46 | christiannnnn | iam a dumb jaa thnks for help! i knw i was missing something |
| 11:07.49 | christiannnnn | thnks guys ! |
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| 11:58.06 | diogovk | How do I know if a package was removed from debian repositories? |
| 11:58.37 | wols_ | maybe check packages.qa.debian.org |
| 11:59.04 | diogovk | thank you |
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| 11:59.28 | abrotman | !removed |
| 11:59.32 | abrotman | %removed |
| 11:59.32 | dselect | The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt . For logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed |
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| 12:11.53 | zamba | i've installed a machine with X.. and now the network interface is controlled by the GUI |
| 12:12.02 | zamba | how can i revert it to be controlled through /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 12:12.44 | themill | zamba: remove network-manager and wicd (probably only the first one is installed) |
| 12:12.59 | zamba | themill: ok |
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| 12:15.56 | skilz | hi |
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| 12:26.33 | hyper_ch | hmmm, I have a script that checks whether in a given folder are PDFs and if they are, they are being sent by email to a specific user and then deleted. When I run the script manually it works fine, when I run the script by cron, the pdf gets deleted but no email is being sent |
| 12:26.40 | hyper_ch | how can I check what cron does? |
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| 12:27.28 | abrotman | hyper_ch: full path to the binary? is it out of your path? |
| 12:28.03 | hyper_ch | abrotman: well, I upgraded from lenny to squeeze and it was working fine on lenny... I could try full path now to mutt (client used to send email) |
| 12:29.19 | hyper_ch | --> /usr/bin/mutt -s "PDF Scanner" -a $PDFFile user@domain < "Newly scanned document" |
| 12:29.25 | hyper_ch | gonna try it that way |
| 12:30.15 | abrotman | is $PDFFile set correctly? |
| 12:30.19 | abrotman | are the emails arriving but empty? |
| 12:30.25 | thinkster | what the heck, anyone running inkscape? Inkscape runs my cpu over, anyone else? |
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| 12:31.02 | thinkster | I'm gonna apt-get purge and apt-get install it |
| 12:31.03 | abrotman | i've used it, works fine |
| 12:31.08 | morphic | i'm starting a new project, is that a good idea use GitHub? Or keep a private git system |
| 12:31.16 | hyper_ch | abrotman: no mails get send... mail server doesn't register anything... as you suggested, I added now full path |
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| 12:32.01 | thinkster | abrotman, well, I can't play dvd and use inkscape at the same time |
| 12:32.01 | hyper_ch | abrotman: gotta wait a few minutes... because I couldn't figure out properly to not parse files that are still open, I set a 3minute limit before they get parsed |
| 12:32.06 | abrotman | hyper_ch: but the script does work when you run it yourself? |
| 12:32.37 | abrotman | thinkster: haven't tried that, but can't imagine it would be an issue |
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| 12:33.14 | dedbef | http://bash.org/?940365 |
| 12:33.16 | dedbef | heh |
| 12:33.26 | hyper_ch | abrotman: it does |
| 12:33.45 | thinkster | abrotman, yeah, I'm guessing there is somethin wrong, it should be like that. I have used inkscape before, and it wasn't so busy. Maybe its the fonts I put in .fonts or somethign, I am gonna try a fresh install, and if persists, then I am gonna remove the fonts, and if even still, then I don't know |
| 12:33.46 | abrotman | hyper_ch: can you paste more of the script in a pastebin ? (paste.debian.net) |
| 12:34.07 | abrotman | dedbef: wrong channel |
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| 12:35.04 | hyper_ch | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/sU39iWXN |
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| 12:35.29 | hyper_ch | abrotman: still no luck |
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| 12:37.11 | hyper_ch | abrotman: when run manually it works... when run by cron it doesn't... |
| 12:37.18 | hyper_ch | the mailserver is local and doesn't register anything when run by cron |
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| 12:37.53 | wols_ | hyper_ch: echo $mail >> /path/to/logfile in line 30 |
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| 12:38.09 | abrotman | hyper_ch: jesus .. can't mutt do a CC on the command line? |
| 12:38.48 | petemc | it surely can |
| 12:38.55 | petemc | -c address |
| 12:38.55 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.12 | hyper_ch | abrotman: why cc? |
| 12:39.15 | abrotman | hyper_ch: perhaps you could put a 'set -x' at the top of the script and also set the $MAILTO |
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| 12:39.23 | abrotman | hyper_ch: so you're not sending five individual emails? |
| 12:39.49 | hyper_ch | abrotman: no, depending on the subfolder only a specific person gets teh email |
| 12:40.03 | hyper_ch | abrotman: the printer here only has ftp capabilies and I tried to convert it to email :) |
| 12:40.21 | hyper_ch | on the scanner you select the desitnation |
| 12:40.27 | hyper_ch | different profiles for the different subfolders |
| 12:40.35 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 12:40.38 | hyper_ch | as said, on lenny it worked... now I just don't get any email |
| 12:41.06 | abrotman | hyper_ch: and the echo statements .. do they echo anything useful ? |
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| 12:43.22 | hyper_ch | weird, it didn't |
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| 12:43.50 | hyper_ch | my mistake there |
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| 12:44.49 | hyper_ch | abrotman: I do now echo the actuall mutt part also |
| 12:45.35 | hyper_ch | echo "/usr/bin/mutt -s 'Scanner' -a $F $email < $emailtext" >> /daten/ftp/logfile.txt |
| 12:46.16 | abrotman | and it works? |
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| 12:49.39 | hyper_ch | abrotman: I see the problem |
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| 12:50.02 | abrotman | all figured out? |
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| 12:51.26 | skilz | is it okay to have Get:11 http://ftp.au.debian.org squeeze-updates/main i386 Packages [10.9 kB] |
| 12:51.28 | skilz | Get:12 http://ftp.de.debian.org wheezy/main i386 Packages [7,173 kB |
| 12:51.40 | skilz | both in my /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 12:52.21 | skilz | squeeze and wheezy is that ok? |
| 12:52.33 | wols_ | there's no point |
| 12:52.41 | epsilon | if you want to break stuff, yes |
| 12:52.50 | wols_ | and you have squeeze-updates, which is not squeeze |
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| 12:53.16 | epsilon | beside that, use mirrror server in your neighbourhood... germany and astralia don't match |
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| 12:55.48 | skilz | how do I add non-free |
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| 12:56.06 | skilz | just put non-free at the end of main contrib ? |
| 12:56.14 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:57.56 | skilz | what are some other good mirrors to add? |
| 12:57.58 | hyper_ch | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/Gk9Sfzni |
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| 12:58.24 | abrotman | skilz: eh? you just need the Debian mirror |
| 12:58.30 | skilz | sources rather |
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| 12:58.40 | skilz | like main contrib non-free ect |
| 12:58.44 | skilz | what else can I put |
| 12:58.44 | hyper_ch | abrotman: it seem it doesn't like the path to the pdf |
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| 13:04.45 | abrotman | hyper_ch: got it figured out? |
| 13:05.05 | hyper_ch | abrotman: no |
| 13:05.35 | abrotman | hyper_ch: which line is broken? |
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| 13:06.31 | hyper_ch | abrotman: I try now to give full path to the pdf |
| 13:06.40 | hyper_ch | but for some reason the user isn't included |
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| 13:06.53 | hyper_ch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:07.28 | hyper_ch | lsof: status error on /daten/ftp/./TEST.pdf: No such file or directory |
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| 13:08.48 | hyper_ch | http://pastebin.com/ktD1r8db |
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| 13:09.02 | hyper_ch | oh... I see |
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| 13:09.22 | hyper_ch | no, I don't |
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| 13:10.03 | hyper_ch | yes, I do see the error now |
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| 13:11.55 | hyper_ch | abrotman: but now it won't send anything.. not even through the cli |
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| 13:12.06 | Justin | hyper_ch: that is going to blow up when it encounters a filename containing a space |
| 13:12.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:12.21 | hyper_ch | Justin: no spaces in the filename |
| 13:12.30 | hyper_ch | Justin: those are scanned in by a printer and sent by ftp |
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| 13:15.40 | hyper_ch | I think mutt is somehwat changed |
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| 13:15.53 | hyper_ch | it complains now about the email address |
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| 13:16.22 | introuble | can anyone tell me how to remove or replace the footer "powered by or sponsered by" i cant find that in the source code. iam new in php. help.com/demo ? |
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| 13:16.53 | Justin | introuble: grep 'powered by' -r . |
| 13:16.53 | movl | introuble: did you perform a search? |
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| 13:18.31 | hovel | hi guys, strange...I've changed my default search engine in Iceweasel from google to duckduckgo but Iceweasel regularly connects to sb-ssl.google.com? |
| 13:18.54 | jargon- | even after using /usr/bin/tzselect the time on my squeeze box is still an hour ahead. how do i fix this? |
| 13:18.54 | introuble | Justasic movl iam in windows |
| 13:19.14 | Justin | hovel: sb = safe browsing |
| 13:19.14 | rozie | hovel: untrusted/malware site list, probably |
| 13:19.27 | movl | introuble: so what does your question have to do with Debian? |
| 13:19.28 | hyper_ch | I think I solved the problem |
| 13:19.47 | Black_Prince | jargon-, grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
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| 13:20.06 | jargon- | Black_Prince: UTC=yes |
| 13:20.26 | Black_Prince | jargon-, is your clock set to universal time zone? |
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| 13:21.13 | jargon- | Black_Prince: no idea. i thought UTC=yes meant it was set to univ time zone/ |
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| 13:21.33 | Black_Prince | jargon-, I meant BIOS clock. If not, change UTC=yes to UTC=no in same file |
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| 13:21.57 | hovel | Justin, rozie, ok I'll try and remove that in about:config |
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| 13:22.14 | jargon- | Black_Prince: oic. ok lemme check |
| 13:22.15 | shundake | Hello Everyone. |
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| 13:22.50 | shundake | Somebody knows if I can use the kernel 2.6.35 with debian? |
| 13:23.19 | movl | shundake: what version of Debian? |
| 13:23.19 | wols_ | shundake: no. it's not part of debian. you can however use 2.6.38 with debian squeeze via a backport |
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| 13:23.28 | rozie | shundake: short answer: yes, you can |
| 13:23.46 | wols_ | ...if you compile it yourself |
| 13:23.56 | shundake | Hum.. I'm using the Squeeze version. |
| 13:23.57 | jargon- | Black_Prince: in BIOS the time is correct. so change UTC to no? |
| 13:24.01 | movl | yeah |
| 13:24.05 | movl | you can |
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| 13:24.12 | hyper_ch | abrotman: found the solution |
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| 13:24.19 | Black_Prince | jargon-, yes |
| 13:24.27 | skilz | How do I install googleearth? |
| 13:24.31 | jargon- | Black_Prince: ok thanks |
| 13:24.32 | abrotman | hyper_ch: good, sily shell bugs :) |
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| 13:24.39 | shundake | Ok... So.. If I compile it I can use as a unstable kernel? |
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| 13:24.49 | abrotman | shundake: what's wrong with the .39 in unstable? |
| 13:24.52 | shundake | (something like ... >.<) |
| 13:25.17 | wols_ | skilz: dmm has it afaik packaged |
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| 13:25.37 | rozie | skilz: you can use googleearth-package |
| 13:25.48 | hyper_ch | abrotman: no shell bug... after the -a /path/to/attachment/file.pdf I needed to enter a "--" before stating the email address |
| 13:26.17 | skilz | yeah I done apt-get install googleearth-package now what? |
| 13:26.23 | skilz | also how do I get skype? |
| 13:26.24 | hovel | Justin, rozie, skilz: http://tinyurl.com/6fhcda8 |
| 13:26.36 | abrotman | hyper_ch: does the email have a hyphen in it ? |
| 13:26.48 | abrotman | skilz: you would ask skype.com |
| 13:26.49 | shundake | It doesn't... It's coz' I need to use this version to test some packages... (application) |
| 13:27.09 | skilz | why cant I apt-get skype? |
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| 13:27.19 | hyper_ch | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/bVN3Kfj2 |
| 13:27.40 | abrotman | skilz: ask skype.com .. |
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| 13:28.03 | gamla_kossan | afternoon people |
| 13:28.07 | anao2 | hi@all does anyone know a good howto for stream audio from linein to web?? vlc does not support linein |
| 13:28.42 | gamla_kossan | can I get dpkg to list packages and a timestamp of when they were installed? |
| 13:28.53 | skilz | I done apt-get install googleearth-package now what? |
| 13:29.17 | babilen | %tell skilz -about readme.debian |
| 13:29.36 | wols_ | also dpg <package-name> |grep bin is always nice to use |
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| 13:30.13 | gamla_kossan | *dpkg |
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| 13:32.48 | jargon- | Black_Prince: still no luck. still showing time one hour ahead |
| 13:33.54 | Black_Prince | jargon-, time zone set correctly? Do you have ntp or ntpdate for time syncing? Bios clock set to local time? |
| 13:34.42 | skilz | GoogleEarthLinux.bin: Permission denied |
| 13:34.42 | skilz | Cannot write to `GoogleEarthLinux.bin' (Permission denied). |
| 13:34.53 | skilz | Could not download Google Earth! (You may need to use --file) |
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| 13:35.29 | Black_Prince | skilz, just download deb from their site and install it with dpkg ... Do it at your own risk. |
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| 13:35.41 | jargon- | Black_Prince: timezone is correct,no ntp/ntpdate,bios is local |
| 13:36.09 | hovel | Justin, rozie, would you say safe browsing is a form of spyware? that shouldn't necessarily be enabled by default? |
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| 13:36.18 | Black_Prince | jargon-, try installing ntpdate |
| 13:36.34 | skilz | whats a good program to show my wifi signal strength |
| 13:36.45 | skilz | in realtime |
| 13:36.56 | wols_ | skilz: kismet |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | don't use ntpdate |
| 13:37.03 | jargon- | Black_Prince: ok |
| 13:37.10 | abrotman | jargon-: do NOT use ntpdate |
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| 13:37.19 | sylar | I have tried doing "dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install" but it didn't reinstall anything, streuner_ |
| 13:37.20 | skilz | $ kismet |
| 13:37.20 | abrotman | jargon-: what timezone are you really in ? |
| 13:37.20 | skilz | Launching kismet_server: //usr/bin/kismet_server |
| 13:37.20 | skilz | Suid priv-dropping disabled. This may not be secure. |
| 13:37.27 | skilz | whats that mean? |
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| 13:37.55 | Black_Prince | dselect, debian backup |
| 13:38.08 | wols_ | abrotman: why not? |
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| 13:39.31 | sylar | I also tried "aptitude reinstall '~i'" but it complained about some packages and didn't reinstall, streuner_ |
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| 13:39.32 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 13:39.35 | abrotman | !why not ntpdate |
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| 13:39.38 | abrotman | %why not ntpdate |
| 13:39.38 | dselect | Use a daemon like ntpd, chrony or openntpd instead of <ntpdate> to keep your time synched. Rationale at http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-December/msg00009.html . ntpdate is deprecated upstream (Debian bug #514318). |
| 13:40.10 | wols_ | abrotman: it's great for just setting the time right now imho. |
| 13:40.12 | lancelot_of | how to make debian writing the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf?I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but nothing happens |
| 13:40.28 | abrotman | lancelot_of: Xorg -configure |
| 13:40.43 | abrotman | wols_: you can do that with ntp also |
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| 13:40.57 | jargon- | abrotman: i'm in Africa/Lagos. it's 14:38,but the /usr/bin/tzselect keeps resulting in 15:38 |
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| 13:41.16 | abrotman | jargon-: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
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| 13:41.42 | jargon- | abrotman: shows UTC=no |
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| 13:42.37 | abrotman | jargon-: and /etc/timezone? and do you have another OS on the machine? and what is the hwclock set to? |
| 13:42.44 | skilz | whats a good gui program to view and connect to wifi networks? |
| 13:42.55 | wols_ | skilz: network manager, wicd |
| 13:43.08 | jargon- | abrotman: /etc/timezone is Africa/Lagos,and the hwclock is correct |
| 13:43.16 | jargon- | abrotman: no other OSes |
| 13:43.24 | jelly | %what instead of ntpdate |
| 13:43.28 | shundake | wols_, Do you know any link that help me to compile the 2.6.35 kernel? |
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| 13:43.30 | abrotman | jelly: ntp |
| 13:43.39 | jelly | abrotman: and for one-off setting? |
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| 13:43.43 | lancelot_of | abrotman, i get: Fatal server error:Server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again. Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help |
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| 13:43.50 | wols_ | %tell shundake about kp mantra |
| 13:43.51 | abrotman | jelly: chrony better for you? |
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| 13:43.55 | skilz | Launching kismet_server: //usr/bin/kismet_server |
| 13:43.58 | skilz | Suid priv-dropping disabled. This may not be secure. |
| 13:44.06 | jelly | abrotman: chrony is still a daemon |
| 13:44.17 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: Is something preventing you from following those instructions? |
| 13:44.18 | abrotman | jelly: that listens publicly by default? |
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| 13:44.18 | skilz | why wont kismet load? |
| 13:44.20 | wols_ | shundake: /msg dselect kernel package |
| 13:44.27 | jelly | abrotman: hell no |
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| 13:44.32 | jelly | it's not _that_ silly |
| 13:44.43 | wols_ | skilz: cause you didn't read any documentation. just use iwlist then |
| 13:45.01 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, nothing it seems |
| 13:45.18 | jhutchins_lt | shundake: why .35? .38's in backports. |
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| 13:46.15 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: Why do you need a .conf file? |
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| 13:47.19 | lancelot_of | jhutchins, i'd like to set up X accurately for my video . Isn't there any file where are sotred x settings anymore? |
| 13:47.43 | wols_ | lancelot_of: by default: no Xorg doesn't have a config file anymore |
| 13:47.51 | shundake | jhutchins: It's coz I need to test an application with this kernel... |
| 13:48.08 | jhutchins_lt | %snapshot |
| 13:48.08 | dselect | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 13:48.21 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: No, it's just autodetected. |
| 13:48.49 | jhutchins_lt | %xorg.conf |
| 13:48.49 | dselect | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>. |
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| 13:49.14 | jhutchins_lt | shundake: Might be in snapshot. |
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| 13:49.59 | lancelot_of | ok thanks |
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| 13:51.53 | shundake | jhutchins, Might be... |
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| 13:53.20 | lancelot_of | ok, so xorg.conf doesn't exist anymore. But cannot i set transparency in konsole or urxvt?Is there any X setting to enable it? |
| 13:54.10 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: Those would be in kde's configuration. |
| 13:54.14 | wols_ | you cannot set that in xorg.conf either |
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| 13:56.09 | lancelot_of | is there any known bug about kde in wheezy?Logout doesn't work, it just blanks screen without reloading kdm and some kde applications, like system settings and dolphin, sometimes take a really long long time |
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| 14:02.04 | Phil-Work | when you do free -m, what shows you how much memory is actually left before it'll start swapping? |
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| 14:02.50 | introuble | can anyone tell me how to remove or replace the footer "powered by or sponsered by" i cant find that in the source code. where can it be?. hesk.com/demo ? |
| 14:03.13 | stew | Phil-Work: that's an oversimplification, but maybe. you need to be looking at the "-/+ buffers/cache" line though, not what is under "free" in the "Mem:" line |
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| 14:03.43 | Phil-Work | stew, that only shows swap |
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| 14:03.55 | stew | Phil-Work: what does? |
| 14:04.05 | Phil-Work | under -/+ buffers/cache |
| 14:04.13 | stew | Phil-Work: that does not show swap |
| 14:04.28 | Phil-Work | eh, sorry - can't read :S |
| 14:04.40 | Phil-Work | -/+ buffers/cache: 205 796 |
| 14:04.42 | stew | Phil-Work: in the line that says "-/+ buffers/cache" you want the second number, in the "free" column |
| 14:04.55 | Phil-Work | so that says (roughly) that there's 796mb left before it'll start swapping? |
| 14:05.02 | stew | Phil-Work: yes |
| 14:05.12 | Phil-Work | cool, thanks :) |
| 14:05.14 | stew | (though hopefully it would start swapping sooner, if it hasn't already) |
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| 14:06.05 | lambda | downloaded firefox and starting with ./firefox , getting the following error: ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:06.58 | MrFrood | lambda: why did you download FF ? |
| 14:07.18 | stew | lambda: debian ships firefox with the name "iceweasel" instead of "firefox" is there a reason you aren't using this instead? |
| 14:07.30 | lambda | MrFrood: just using iceweasel |
| 14:07.39 | lambda | stew: but it's no more supported |
| 14:07.51 | lambda | that's why I want to downlaod the new version |
| 14:08.08 | stew | lambda: if its in debian, it is still supported |
| 14:08.19 | twobitsprite | lambda: supported by who? |
| 14:08.20 | thinksteve | lambda: Debian keeps shipping updates for your browser. |
| 14:08.25 | MrFrood | lambda: mozilla.debian.net release= iceweasel 5 |
| 14:08.30 | rozie | lambda: http://mozilla.debian.net and get newer one |
| 14:08.31 | stew | lambda: in fact, that is the big reason why we cannot call it firefox, because we want to support old versions when they don't want us to |
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| 14:08.40 | lambda | twobitsprite: when I e.g. enter googlePlus it says: your browser is no more supported :) |
| 14:08.46 | lambda | using iceweasel 3.5 |
| 14:09.02 | twobitsprite | ,versions iceweasel |
| 14:09.02 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; sid: 3.5.19-3; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; experimental: 5.0-2 |
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| 14:09.05 | rozie | lambda: check out that link ;-) |
| 14:09.10 | MrFrood | Icewaesel 5 works fine with G+ |
| 14:09.47 | lambda | rozie: does this support also the debianous crunchbang? |
| 14:09.51 | lambda | having kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:09.53 | twobitsprite | (although, to be honest, I download firefox from upstream too :P) |
| 14:10.05 | rozie | lambda: crunchbang? |
| 14:10.13 | twobitsprite | %crunchbang |
| 14:10.13 | dselect | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 14:10.22 | MrFrood | %crunchbang |
| 14:10.22 | dselect | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 14:10.39 | twobitsprite | wins |
| 14:10.46 | lambda | hm |
| 14:10.50 | MrFrood | :-/ |
| 14:11.05 | lambda | :( |
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| 14:11.41 | rozie | lambda: 5.0 from there works with Squeeze - this can I tell. give it a try, but no guarantee that will work with cruchbang |
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| 14:12.54 | abrotman | rozie: you could help him in #crunchbang |
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| 14:13.17 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.18 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.18 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:13.25 | skilz | how do I install those please? |
| 14:13.44 | Justin | skilz: install them |
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| 14:14.04 | in0cula | hi, im new on debian....i need to install icecat, can i add the ubuntu repository? |
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| 14:14.14 | twobitsprite | skilz: the usual way should work |
| 14:14.23 | twobitsprite | in0cula: no |
| 14:14.31 | twobitsprite | in0cula: that is definitely not recommended |
| 14:14.42 | boudiccas | in0cula; not if ypu want to keep debian |
| 14:14.51 | jhutchins_lt | in0cula: Not without destroying your system. Do not mix distributions. |
| 14:14.54 | abrotman | in0cula: what's wrong with iceweasel or iceape ? |
| 14:15.25 | in0cula | i have browser web |
| 14:15.29 | abrotman | in0cula: what's wrong with iceweasel or iceape ? |
| 14:15.38 | boudiccas | in0cula; mixing distrubtution sources is one of the quickest ways of destroying your system |
| 14:15.41 | in0cula | and gnash seems not work well |
| 14:15.59 | boudiccas | in0cula; define 'not work well' please? |
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| 14:16.23 | in0cula | every youtube video i get, error occur |
| 14:16.30 | in0cula | :( |
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| 14:16.37 | abrotman | doesn't see how icecat would fix this ... |
| 14:16.57 | MrFrood | skilz: ttf-mscorefonts-installer package |
| 14:16.58 | boudiccas | in0cula; simple answer, forget youtube :) |
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| 14:17.18 | optraz | !test |
| 14:17.18 | in0cula | why?? i watch a lot of stallman videos |
| 14:17.22 | optraz | @test |
| 14:17.32 | abrotman | optraz: do you need help ? |
| 14:17.38 | in0cula | freedom is freedom |
| 14:17.40 | Justin | in0cula: you are generally much better off using something like youtube-dl |
| 14:17.40 | optraz | yes, where is dpkg? |
| 14:17.43 | abrotman | in0cula: you probably just need an HTML5 browser for those |
| 14:17.47 | in0cula | why i have to renunce of youtube |
| 14:17.48 | abrotman | optraz: on vacation .. what are you looking for? |
| 14:18.03 | zykotick9_ | in0cula, have you tried html5? http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 14:18.04 | optraz | im on squeeze but it is outdated, i would like to upgrade to testing. |
| 14:18.05 | abrotman | still doesn't see how icecat helps with that |
| 14:18.07 | optraz | abrotman: ^^ |
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| 14:18.26 | abrotman | optraz: okay .. so go ahead .. only nvidia and fglrx are horribly broken at the moment i think |
| 14:18.34 | skilz | if I want to copy multiple files do I do cp file1 file2 fil3 file4 file5 /file/dir ? |
| 14:18.38 | abrotman | oh, might be fixed now |
| 14:18.44 | Ikarus | skilz: yes |
| 14:18.48 | skilz | excelent |
| 14:18.51 | optraz | abrotman: yes, but what is the upgrade path? i remembered dpkg has instruction |
| 14:18.53 | abrotman | skilz: cp file[1-5] /file/dir/ |
| 14:18.57 | Ikarus | skilz: or cp --destination=/file/dir file1 file2, etc |
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| 14:19.12 | abrotman | dselect: tell optraz about squeeze->wheezy |
| 14:19.28 | abrotman | optraz: remember, hold on .. bumpy ride ... lots of stuff breaking! |
| 14:19.29 | in0cula | please tell me what i can do, give me a page where i can download a browser with youtube |
| 14:19.41 | in0cula | another thing, is debian 64 bit pure? |
| 14:19.42 | Ikarus | quite useful when using find . -matching-stuff -print0 | xargs -0 cp --destination=/foo/ |
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| 14:20.01 | abrotman | in0cula: if you install the amd64 version .. |
| 14:20.03 | Ikarus | in0cula: the IA64 and AMD64 ones are yes |
| 14:20.06 | boudiccas | in0cula; pure? |
| 14:20.08 | optraz | abrotman: yes, thanks for advice. |
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| 14:20.14 | Ikarus | sparc64 isn't |
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| 14:20.36 | in0cula | i mean, if i need to run 32 bit app, does not work? |
| 14:21.00 | rozie | in0cula: you can use minitube if you want youtube only |
| 14:21.21 | Ikarus | in0cula: not without effort, no |
| 14:21.22 | abrotman | in0cula: it is more difficult .. if you need 32bit apps, use i386 |
| 14:21.25 | in0cula | for example i need to run phoenix a second life viewer, but i cant, even tough with ubuntu if i dont remember bad it was working |
| 14:22.25 | abrotman | in0cula: use i386 .. 64bit for workstations isn't a great fit if you need 3rd party/binary-only software |
| 14:22.50 | skilz | how do I check the file access levels? |
| 14:22.58 | abrotman | the what? |
| 14:22.59 | skilz | like if its root or anyone? |
| 14:23.09 | abrotman | %tell skilz about grounding |
| 14:23.32 | abrotman | skilz: go read a beginner's guide to linux .. you're asking very basic questions that most new user guides will help you with |
| 14:23.32 | in0cula | i have 6 gb ram, i don't want waste |
| 14:23.38 | skilz | say if I edit a text file as root then send it to someone can they open it? |
| 14:23.39 | abrotman | in0cula: you don't have to |
| 14:23.43 | Ikarus | in0cula: you won't |
| 14:23.51 | abrotman | in0cula: you can address all 6GB with 32bit |
| 14:23.53 | Ikarus | in0cula: just a single application can't use more then 2 (3) GB ram |
| 14:23.59 | abrotman | single thread |
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| 14:24.06 | MrFrood | skilz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626661 |
| 14:24.24 | Ikarus | abrotman: uh, no, process with the linux implementation, threads share address space |
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| 14:25.35 | abrotman | eh .. in linux, a process is a thread? |
| 14:25.44 | abrotman | erm .. a thread is a process :) |
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| 14:27.17 | Ikarus | abrotman: a process is a set of threads |
| 14:27.19 | Ikarus | one or more |
| 14:27.21 | MrFrood | threads abrotman's processes |
| 14:27.22 | in0cula | so, if i reinstall a 32 bit you say my i3 with 6gb ram work at the same speed, even with 3d graphics? |
| 14:27.46 | abrotman | did they change it? /me is pretty sure that it was that every thread was its own process |
| 14:28.09 | abrotman | in the context of linux .. not all OSes |
| 14:28.17 | fiacha | Hi, sorry to ask, but: How can i give a new user root privileges? i tried usermod username -g root .... but that didn't work :( |
| 14:28.17 | skilz | say if I edit a text file as root then send it to someone can they open it? |
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| 14:28.52 | stew | skilz: "send it" how? |
| 14:29.26 | jhutchins_lt | skilz: It depends on the permissions on the file as well as how you send it. |
| 14:30.24 | boudiccas | fiacha; use sudo, its more secure |
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| 14:30.52 | boudiccas | fiacha; just add their nick name to /etc/sudoers |
| 14:31.42 | skilz | if I email or ftp |
| 14:31.50 | fiacha | boudiccas: i don't have sudo installed yet. Is there no way without installing it? Say i wanted a user named admin but otherwise is root, is that possible? |
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| 14:32.35 | MrFrood | fiacha: invetigate the admin & staff groups |
| 14:32.41 | boudiccas | fiacha; install sudo then, its more secure than assignign root privileges to all and sundry |
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| 14:36.33 | stew | fiacha: why do you want to use "admin" instead of "root", if they are both going to have the same privileges anyway? |
| 14:36.49 | fiacha | boudiccas: This is not about an actual user that logs on but rather a user that needs root privileges internally but externally is only used as samba login (needs root since it is accessing another share on which i can't change the owner and only root has access) |
| 14:37.13 | jhutchins_lt | fiacha: It's not unusal for more than one user to have root privilages - they just use the root account. |
| 14:37.34 | dedbef | sudo not good enough? |
| 14:37.43 | jhutchins_lt | fiacha: You can restrict log-ins so that users have to log in as a regular user then su - to root. |
| 14:37.55 | fiacha | stew: see above, i want to setup a samba user with a different smbpasswd than userpwd. But that user needs the same access ass root |
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| 14:38.34 | stew | fiacha: you can set the uid of a user to 0, but, it sounds like there must be a better way to do what you are doing. a samba user with root privileges sounds scary |
| 14:38.47 | optraz | abrotman: wheezy is not testing? i remembered i use to have testing in the sources.list |
| 14:38.47 | fiacha | jhutchins_lt: please see above, its not about a user that logs in via ssh/console, just samba with a different pass and only access to a specific share |
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| 14:39.22 | fiacha | stew: can multiple users have a uid of 0 (root i guess?) |
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| 14:39.44 | fiacha | stew: i need a smb proxy to a cluster that only allows domain users. |
| 14:39.49 | abrotman | optraz: use 'wheezy' |
| 14:40.04 | fiacha | stew: for some legacy systems that cannot access/use domain users |
| 14:40.19 | optraz | abrotman: :-s that is like instruction, what if wheezy become stable and i have to change again the sources.list? |
| 14:40.49 | abrotman | optraz: then you worry about it then .. it's better than tracking by codename .. |
| 14:41.03 | abrotman | it's better to track by codename lenny,squeeze, wheezy, etc |
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| 14:41.05 | boudiccas | optraz; wheezy is at least 12-18 months away from becoming stable, plenty of time |
| 14:41.06 | fiacha | stew: so i mounted a share locally and am resharing it with samba. The problem is the windows share i mouned does not allow me to change owner/access. Only root has access (sint that is the user that mounted the share?) |
| 14:41.32 | stew | fiacha: how are you mounting the share? |
| 14:41.34 | optraz | abrotman: huh? why? isn't one time code testing in sources.list will always stay in stable? |
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| 14:42.00 | fiacha | stew: via fstab with cifs |
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| 14:42.34 | abrotman | optraz: surprise upgrades are no fun |
| 14:42.36 | stew | fiacha: you can add a "uid" and or "umask" options to the fstab line to make the files acceessable by users other than root |
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| 14:43.07 | fiacha | stew: ohhhh yea i remember seeing the column headers... ow was not thinking |
| 14:43.10 | optraz | i mean stay in testing.. |
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| 14:43.49 | fiacha | stew: can i allow a group access so that i can have many users with access to the share? |
| 14:44.13 | stew | fiacha: yes, with gid and umask |
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| 14:44.52 | abrotman | optraz: i've been using debian a long time, i use the names, squeeze/lenny/etc .. in your case, i'd use wheezy |
| 14:45.45 | optraz | ok :-s |
| 14:46.04 | abrotman | optraz: you can just change it to the next name later, or testing later if you want .. it's your call .. |
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| 14:47.01 | kkirk | i'm trying to rebuild a kernel by using 'Debian Linux Kernel Handbook' as a reference...but i don't entirely understand howto switch into a feature-set |
| 14:47.17 | fiacha | stew: ok thank you, trying it now. |
| 14:47.56 | nvz | Atheros AR5001, Debian Squeeze, Linux 2.6.32-5? I do iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys, and it never connects and all iwlist wlan0 scan says is no results.. like the radio is disabled and the rfkill isn't working properly |
| 14:49.02 | wols_ | nvz: no WPA? |
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| 14:50.19 | optraz | abrotman: ok, im using wheezy now in my sources.list and downloading the upgrade. will see later thank you. |
| 14:50.32 | kkirk | how can i acquire the source for 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64', apt-get source says: Picking 'linux-2.6' as source package instead of 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64' |
| 14:50.44 | abrotman | that's fine |
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| 14:52.00 | nvz | wols_: na, this is an unsecured network.. the driver seems all ok, no errors anywhere its just behaving like the radio is off |
| 14:52.30 | nvz | wols_: there is a button right next to the power button on this laptop to control the radio but it does nothing |
| 14:52.31 | fiacha | stew: so i created a new group called test and added gid=test,umask=777 to the options string of the mount line |
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| 14:53.22 | stew | fiacha: you want umask=002 |
| 14:53.23 | Danic | How cam I delete all files/folders in ./ except ./sites/ recursively? |
| 14:53.27 | nvz | I had the wifi working on here before I had to reinstall cause the HDD crashed |
| 14:53.41 | nvz | just don't remember what I did to make it work |
| 14:53.46 | stew | fiacha: you should probably google for how a umask works |
| 14:53.47 | kkirk | Danic: use 'find' |
| 14:53.59 | fiacha | stew: oh, sorry i don't know how this mask works, will googleright now, thanks! |
| 14:54.23 | nvz | installs rfkill |
| 14:54.32 | Danic | kkirk, do you have a quick example? |
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| 14:56.10 | capri | is it possible to use samba share with windows clients and all permissions managed under the windows explorer? |
| 14:56.14 | kkirk | Danic: "find . ! -path './debian*'" lists all files/directories in '.' excluding './debian' and it descendands -- but beware: find . lists '.' as a result |
| 14:56.19 | nvz | hmm rfkill claims the wifi is not blocked |
| 14:56.25 | capri | with acl's and so on? |
| 14:56.52 | Danic | kkirk, thanks |
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| 14:57.55 | nvz | capri: just a thought but maybe doing user level security might help |
| 14:58.22 | nvz | capri: as far as I know though samba isn't designed to work like that |
| 14:58.51 | nvz | I don't have any luck configuring samba shares and permissions even locally outside the smb.conf.. heh |
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| 14:59.15 | capri | thats the same as i know, but i heard about acl's working now very fine and i could configure all with windows explorer |
| 14:59.18 | capri | mhpf |
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| 14:59.40 | capri | that have to work anyway, but i don't know how ^^ |
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| 15:01.15 | nvz | capri: well even if it does its probably not in the debian version, and if you heard that in the using samba guide, you can't believe anything in there.. its mostly all made up |
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| 15:01.30 | nvz | makes me wonder if the idiots who wrote that even ever used samba |
| 15:01.39 | capri | hehe |
| 15:02.01 | nvz | I filed bugs, the maintainers told me to piss off |
| 15:02.47 | nvz | someone asked me once about making logs on a per share rather than per user basis.. I looked it up.. sure enough it says how to do it in detail in the using samba guide shipped in teh samba-doc package.. |
| 15:03.05 | capri | i got it working right know, but i got the following problem. if i use the windows explorer to change users permisson i got always a "parameter failure" but at the console i could see its done the permissons as well, but the explorer windows gui dont |
| 15:03.18 | nvz | the problem is, its just not possible.. and from what I gathered from the upstream devs samba would have to be entirely rewritten to work the way its described in there |
| 15:03.31 | capri | ok fine |
| 15:03.34 | capri | good to know |
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| 15:07.44 | fiacha | stew: ok so i see that umask is subtracted from 0777. So if i choose a umask of 0000 i shoudl get 0777, right? I tried that and it does not work. When i ls -lha i see that the folders are owned by group diskimage but user root and permission mask is drwxr-xr-x (so group does not have wx, right?) |
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| 15:08.37 | fiacha | stew: group diskimage was test. just a name change |
| 15:08.57 | Big_Brother | how do i change the DPI through nvidia-settings? |
| 15:09.51 | nvz | you can't really change any of that stuff cause x doesn't work that way |
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| 15:10.05 | nvz | the most it can do is write a new config and tell you to restart X |
| 15:10.21 | nvz | and it typically fails to do that anyhow from my experience |
| 15:10.36 | skilz | whats a good gui program to make a tar.gz file? |
| 15:10.53 | Big_Brother | nvz: all i know right now is my resolution is right but the DPI is too low. |
| 15:11.01 | nvz | skilz: file roller is part of a default desktop install (gnome) |
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| 15:11.37 | skilz | or the command to add 'file1 file2 file3 file4' to files.tar.gz? |
| 15:11.38 | nvz | Big_Brother: I wasn't even aware DPI had anything to do with a display setting... thought that was for printer settings.. heh |
| 15:11.51 | skilz | nvz: I use AfterStep |
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| 15:12.18 | Big_Brother | nvz: DPI or PPI, the more per inch, the finer the view. |
| 15:12.38 | nvz | Big_Brother: thats determined by hardware as far as I know |
| 15:12.39 | skilz | this is an old system so I just want basic software |
| 15:12.43 | fiacha | stew: nm, dmesg states umask is an unknown option, but file_mode=0775,dir_mode=0775 worked... |
| 15:13.17 | nvz | Big_Brother: you can't expect software to build you a different LCD with more pixels |
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| 15:13.36 | fiacha | stew: yay, it works. Thank you! |
| 15:13.37 | Big_Brother | nvz: i can ask it to use the right DPI for my CRT though. :) |
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| 15:14.23 | themill | %dpi |
| 15:14.23 | dselect | [dpi] Your Dots Per Inch setting affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_millimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, ask me about <xorg config>. http://scanline.ca/dpi/ |
| 15:14.41 | nvz | Big_Brother: if you say so, I'm telling you.. I've never heard of such a thing.. the dotpitch of a crt is determined by the construction of the tube's inner screen itself |
| 15:14.43 | Big_Brother | nvz: currently, my desktop is like a huge image- i can pan through it like so. |
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| 15:15.04 | nvz | Big_Brother: ah well thats got nothing to do with dotpitch, thats a virtual desktop\ |
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| 15:15.33 | Big_Brother | i don't see how |
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| 15:15.42 | nvz | Big_Brother: probably cause you tried to use nvidia-settings to do things it can't do |
| 15:15.43 | Big_Brother | the CRT is connected straight to the machine. |
| 15:16.01 | Big_Brother | it's an nvidia gpu. |
| 15:16.08 | nvz | no userspace tool can go beyond what X started up with |
| 15:16.13 | nvz | peroid |
| 15:16.22 | nvz | I don't care if its kraft mac n cheese |
| 15:16.47 | Big_Brother | >its |
| 15:16.49 | Big_Brother | failure. |
| 15:16.55 | nvz | if X starts and it has 800x600 in the config or auto-detects as that, nothing is gonna change that |
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| 15:17.15 | koollman | nvz: sure. xrandr can change that,or any similar tool |
| 15:17.51 | nvz | koollman: I have serious doubts about that... |
| 15:18.07 | nvz | koollman: it can change it if other display modes where found and activated when X started |
| 15:19.21 | nvz | Big_Brother: you should read your X log or paste it on paste.debian.net |
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| 15:20.02 | koollman | xrandr -q , would show what is currently known about the display used |
| 15:20.14 | nvz | Big_Brother: also if you installed the nvidia-glx, nividia-kernel, and nvidia-settings, did you forget nvidia-xconfig or something? cause that writes a working config for me everytime |
| 15:20.27 | koollman | and xdpyinfo would show much more details about the various stuff X has detected and is using |
| 15:21.11 | nvz | right but nothing can go in and say use this mode, if its not already configured |
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| 15:22.02 | koollman | detected. And nvidia driver can do detection whenever it wants (you can change screens, or add some, if you want) |
| 15:23.04 | nvz | you can only add them in certain modes already defined, you can't for example do xinerama without writing configuration and restarting X, you also can't change the color depth |
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| 15:23.15 | koollman | anyway, I agree with you, mostly. I don't want to argue about that |
| 15:23.38 | colo-work | new res and vrefresh are perfectly possible at runtime |
| 15:23.50 | colo-work | check xrandr --newmode, xrandr --addmode et al. |
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| 15:25.06 | eldowan | %trinity |
| 15:25.06 | dselect | Trinity is a project to keep <KDE> 3.5 alive by making packages of this distribution available for Debian squeeze (Squeeze has KDE 4.4 in it). It is not part of Debian, and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ #trinity-desktop on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <kde squeeze>. |
| 15:25.11 | eldowan | aah, dselect |
| 15:25.27 | tux__ | http://pastebin.com/tQR0pytF |
| 15:25.33 | winter | trinity++; |
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| 15:26.03 | kotique | hi. where is yum.log file in debian |
| 15:26.07 | tux__ | Besides that alsa doesn't work. |
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| 15:26.18 | kotique | analog to it, whre log of installed packages is stored |
| 15:26.19 | Big_Brother | koollman: it says 1280x1024 @ 52Hz. doesn't explain why i pan through my desktop. |
| 15:26.50 | tux__ | 'gstreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. ' |
| 15:26.54 | th0r | kotique: yum is a fedora thing, not debian |
| 15:26.55 | tux__ | I believe it is a permission error, |
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| 15:27.02 | koollman | Big_Brother: because somewhere, Xorg has an size configured for the 'viewable desktop' part, and the 'full desktop' is different |
| 15:27.27 | kotique | I have successfully built a modified version of kernel back in november |
| 15:27.29 | Big_Brother | sounds like a reasonable explanation. |
| 15:27.34 | kotique | i have fogotten EVERYTHING |
| 15:27.35 | Big_Brother | where do i change ti ? |
| 15:27.36 | Big_Brother | it |
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| 15:27.43 | kotique | how to build, how to even extract. |
| 15:27.59 | koollman | Big_Brother: often a good way to solve that (temporarily) is to change the resolution twice (to something else and back to what you want). if it works, then find out where in the conf is the error |
| 15:28.27 | kotique | what's the names of debian source file? i don't have original dir, looks like i've delted it |
| 15:28.28 | Big_Brother | . /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 15:28.56 | kotique | Big_Brother, install ubuntu |
| 15:29.05 | Big_Brother | kotique: fuck that. |
| 15:29.08 | tux__ | http://pastebin.com/tQR0pytF |
| 15:29.13 | kotique | it's more user-friendly |
| 15:29.21 | Big_Brother | kotique: it's also a whore. |
| 15:29.25 | tux__ | wow, |
| 15:29.26 | Big_Brother | and glossy |
| 15:29.27 | tux__ | NO |
| 15:29.29 | nvz | kotique: is there something that we can help you with that has something to do with debian? |
| 15:29.45 | tux__ | Any help with my apt problem/ |
| 15:29.46 | kotique | nvz, where's the yum.log equiwalent log file? |
| 15:29.55 | Big_Brother | kotique: ubuntu has become an ugly, worthless bimbo. |
| 15:30.03 | koollman | Big_Brother: try this : xrandr -s 1024x768 ; xrandr -s 1280x1024 |
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| 15:30.33 | nvz | kotique: there isn't one dpkg keeps no such log, certain package managers may keep dates etc.. but all dpkg universally has is a cache |
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| 15:30.44 | kotique | damn |
| 15:30.56 | kotique | alright, let's sort by mtime then |
| 15:31.03 | nvz | heh |
| 15:31.26 | koollman | Big_Brother: also, is there any mention of 'Virtual' in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 15:31.31 | kotique | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16245856 2010-11-16 13:00 linux-image-2.6.32-aacraid.new-yuri_2.6.32-aacraid.new-yuri-2_amd64.deb |
| 15:31.40 | kotique | how do I "extract" it? |
| 15:31.52 | nvz | kotique: extract only not install? |
| 15:32.05 | nvz | kotique: debs are just gzipped |
| 15:32.08 | kotique | yes, I want to update it to latest version |
| 15:32.21 | kotique | will that give me the source directory i should work in? |
| 15:32.37 | nvz | kotique: dpkg -x or tar -zxf |
| 15:32.47 | kotique | the debian build system is so sophisticated that I totally forgot everything about it |
| 15:32.59 | nvz | kotique: uh no... that package is probably a binary kernel image |
| 15:33.17 | kotique | I deleted the source dir knowing that it's stored somewhere. why? |
| 15:33.19 | kotique | and where |
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| 15:33.42 | nvz | kotique: if you want the 2.6.32 kernel source you either gotta install the kernel source package or fetch the source from kernel.org |
| 15:33.54 | kotique | no i don't want. it was my customized build |
| 15:33.58 | th0r | nvz: troll? |
| 15:34.11 | kotique | linux-2.6_2.6.32-26~bpo50+1.dsc |
| 15:34.17 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.28 | Big_Brother | koollman: no mention of 'Virtual' and i could only do 'xrandr -s' with resolution "available". |
| 15:34.33 | nvz | kotique: if you had a debian kernel souce package you made with the build you could install that and it would probably put it in /usr/src/ |
| 15:34.52 | kotique | that's where i'm looking at right now |
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| 15:35.04 | kotique | how does a source deb look like? |
| 15:35.17 | th0r | yup, troll |
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| 15:35.48 | kotique | i don't know why i have forgotten so much, it just didn't stick in my head |
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| 15:35.56 | kotique | it's hillarious, the system itself is over-complicated |
| 15:36.11 | kotique | i have read all of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html in november |
| 15:36.13 | stew | kotique: its a .dsc and whatever files the .dsc lists (a diff.gz could be one, in which case there would also be a .orig.tar.gz) |
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| 15:36.16 | boudiccas | kotique; maybe you should document stuff to remind you in the future in a blog? |
| 15:36.34 | kotique | probably yes. i have so many tasks on me |
| 15:36.42 | nvz | or stop smoking so much marijuana |
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| 15:36.54 | Big_Brother | boudiccas: oh my, no. NO MORE BLOGS. |
| 15:37.04 | stew | kotique: typically when you are goint to rebuild a debian kernel, you'd start from a binary package name linux-source, not a linux-2.6 source package |
| 15:37.08 | Big_Brother | kotique: use a pen and notebook. |
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| 15:37.19 | kotique | i think i used dch or something |
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| 15:37.35 | boudiccas | Big_Brother; their a good place to document what you've done and tweaked things. they help to remind you for the future |
| 15:38.01 | Big_Brother | boudiccas: wut? |
| 15:38.04 | stew | kotique: that would operate on a debian source package, however rebuilding a linux-2.6 source package would build ton's of debs that you probably don't need |
| 15:38.04 | pzn | which solution is better for "exporting" an usb device connected to my debian box to another windows box? the device is a smarcard reader. should I use uspip? |
| 15:38.08 | boudiccas | Big_Brother; blogs |
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| 15:38.15 | Big_Brother | their? |
| 15:38.35 | kotique | CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 make-kpkg --append-to-version .yuri --arch-in-name --initrd --config menuconfig buildpackage |
| 15:38.39 | kotique | cd linux-2.6-2.6.32.yuri |
| 15:38.39 | kotique | vi debian/changelog |
| 15:38.39 | stew | kotique: you should instead consider using kernel-package to build a deb from linux-source-$version package, /msg dseelct kp |
| 15:38.44 | kotique | .bash_history stops there |
| 15:39.03 | stew | kotique: yeah, that's kernel-package (with which you'd not use dch) |
| 15:39.45 | kotique | okay, now I have to find the sources for that package :/ |
| 15:39.56 | nvz | my calendar says Moday but looking in here gives me doubts' |
| 15:40.01 | subuser | do you use the dpkg-deb to build a kernel package from a downloaded source code at kernel.org? |
| 15:40.16 | kotique | mondays are the hardest |
| 15:40.24 | subuser | i see a kernel-package package in apt too |
| 15:40.27 | nvz | subuser: you'd use kernel-package to build a kernel package.. period |
| 15:40.32 | subuser | ok |
| 15:40.50 | nvz | unless you just like making things harder on yourself |
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| 15:41.43 | nvz | idk how or why but this wifi just doesnt work with this squeeze kernel |
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| 15:42.12 | boudiccas | nvz; then drop back to a kernel where it did work |
| 15:42.27 | boudiccas | thats what i'd o :) |
| 15:42.34 | boudiccas | i'd do even |
| 15:42.38 | nvz | oh like the one on the crashed hard drive? |
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| 15:42.45 | nvz | heh.. this is a new install.. |
| 15:43.20 | nvz | I don't remember how I had it working before.. and looking at the dmesg and the output of rfkill, iwconfig..etc it all looks like its working |
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| 15:43.24 | nvz | it just doesnt actually work |
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| 15:53.01 | nvz | idk but i'm gonna reboot and check my bios settings.. |
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| 16:01.28 | sereal | whats a good simple ftp server that supports authentication? |
| 16:01.58 | wols_ | openssh-server :P |
| 16:02.01 | wols_ | %ftpd |
| 16:02.02 | dselect | [ftpd] A daemon that speaks <FTP>. The following choices are available on Debian: ftpd, the *BSD daemon (good, robust piece of software without anything shiny on it); <wu-ftpd> (a high-performance, multi-homing and anon-only capable daemon that has caused traffic on bugtraq); <proftpd>, which is somewhere in between; and <pure-ftpd>, which features optionally chrooted home directories, virtual domains, ratios, etc. See also <vsftpd>. |
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| 16:02.48 | sereal | does ftpd have authentication? |
| 16:03.15 | sereal | openssh would be what I use normally but the hardware device i'm dealing with only has a ftp clien |
| 16:03.19 | wols_ | every ftp server does |
| 16:04.03 | twobitsprite | this might be a little off topic, but if you're managing a remote server which is in a different timezone to you, do you set the time to match the timezone the system is in, or the one you (the admin) are in? |
| 16:04.13 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.16 | twobitsprite | (of course, I'm talking about debian servers :) |
| 16:04.19 | kotique | come on guys, why was it so hard? |
| 16:05.14 | kotique | installed by "dpkg -i " |
| 16:05.27 | sereal | meh I installed one that seemed to only do anno |
| 16:06.19 | boudiccas | sereal; do 'anno'? que? |
| 16:06.44 | twobitsprite | suspects he means anon |
| 16:06.44 | sereal | anonymous |
| 16:06.51 | winter | \o/ |
| 16:06.57 | sereal | fails at life |
| 16:07.08 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 16:07.40 | wols_ | by default, ftpds from debian log in normal system users |
| 16:08.21 | twobitsprite | wols_: I don't think that's true of vsftpd |
| 16:08.36 | twobitsprite | I seem to recall having to configure that last time I set one up |
| 16:08.36 | wols_ | why not? |
| 16:09.00 | wols_ | ah yes: #local_enable=YES |
| 16:09.15 | twobitsprite | I'm pretty sure the default vsftpd is anon only to an empty chroot |
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| 16:12.27 | spal | can I install Iceweasel 5.0 in wheezy? |
| 16:12.56 | twobitsprite | mozilla.debian.org |
| 16:13.05 | stew | .net |
| 16:13.08 | twobitsprite | doh |
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| 16:13.28 | jhutchins | kotique: What is your actual question again? |
| 16:13.32 | twobitsprite | debian needs to decide if they want to be a .org or a .net |
| 16:13.42 | jhutchins | twobitsprite: There are both. |
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| 16:14.08 | stew | twobitsprite: the .net domain is used for DDs to create subdomains |
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| 16:14.18 | twobitsprite | stew: ahh |
| 16:14.21 | jhutchins | There's .com as well. |
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| 16:14.29 | twobitsprite | so at least there's a rhyme to their reason |
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| 16:15.07 | stew | twobitsprite: we can send a signed mail with commands to setup CNAMEs for .net, .org is for "official" stuff |
| 16:15.07 | twobitsprite | jhutchins: well.. the .net and .org aren't the same... mozilla.debian.org doesn't work, but the .com works anything the .org works for |
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| 16:15.19 | erore | i need to add a line to the end of each file that is found by: find /opt/kerio/mailserver/store/mail/drevoterm.cz/info/INBOX -iname somename how to do it? |
| 16:15.23 | twobitsprite | stew: that makes sense |
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| 16:17.56 | twobitsprite | erore: -exec ed -p "$script" {} # where $script is some ed script that adds the line to the end of the file |
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| 16:18.49 | stew | "echo >> somefile" adds a line to the end of a file |
| 16:18.50 | sam12345 | hi. I wish to install radeonhd drivers. So i need to compile drm, radeonhd and mesa. Right? |
| 16:19.36 | twobitsprite | stew: that too, but you'd have to do something like -exec /bin/bash -c "echo $string >> "{} # something weird lik that |
| 16:19.55 | twobitsprite | or I gues you can pipe it to a while read loop |
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| 16:20.45 | kotique | thanks |
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| 16:21.51 | twobitsprite | find $dir -iname somename | while read filename; do echo $string >> $filename; done |
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| 16:22.24 | twobitsprite | actually, probably want quotes around $filename |
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| 16:23.10 | spal | iceweasel-release from squeeze-backports is which version of iceweasel? 5.0? |
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| 16:23.22 | twobitsprite | ,versions iceweasel |
| 16:23.24 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; sid: 3.5.19-3; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; experimental: 5.0-2 |
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| 16:23.49 | twobitsprite | doesn't look like it's in squeeze-backports |
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| 16:24.50 | spal | squeeze-backports wasn't listed there as well. |
| 16:25.14 | twobitsprite | I'm pretty sure that's because it isn't in squeeze-backports |
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| 16:26.11 | spal | then what is this page about: http://mozilla.debian.net/ ? |
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| 16:27.05 | babilen | spal: It provides information about various ways to install newer iceweasel versions on squeeze, wheezy and sid |
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| 16:28.26 | caloriferul | Hey, i'm getting this error locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory and setlocale() returns false (in php). I've run dpkg-reconfigure locales, locale-gen, even localedef but still no luck and nothing in any logs in /var/log. Where should i check to find out what's wrong? (using Debian 4.1.2-24) |
| 16:28.40 | spal | so judd says that iceweasel 5.0 is unavailable in all but experimental. so how should i install the 5.0 version? |
| 16:28.55 | twobitsprite | spal: sorry, the squeeze-backports listed there isn't the same as the official debian squeeze backports |
| 16:30.13 | babilen | spal: You want iceweasel-release -- cf. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 |
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| 16:30.45 | spal | ,versions iceweasel-release |
| 16:30.47 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'iceweasel-release' was found in i386. |
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| 16:31.21 | ben42 | hello, how do i list the packages that depends of a specific one ? |
| 16:31.30 | ben42 | installed packages |
| 16:31.33 | twobitsprite | spal: the mozilla team's repo isn't in judd's list I don't think. Add the apt line listed on their page to your sources, aptitude update, aptitude search iceweasel |
| 16:31.47 | twobitsprite | ben42: you can see the depends with "aptitude show <package>" |
| 16:31.51 | babilen | spal: Please read the the link I've mentioned and the information on http://mozilla.debian.net/ -- These are essentially *different* repositories maintained by the iceweasel team that are *not* equal to the normal ones. |
| 16:32.33 | spal | okay |
| 16:32.57 | ben42 | twobitsprite, the reverse thing, the list of packages that depends of A other one |
| 16:33.16 | stew | ben42: aptitude search '~i~Dpackagename' |
| 16:33.54 | twobitsprite | ben42: ohh, misread... yeah, what stew said |
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| 16:36.48 | ben42 | twobitsprite, stew, ok thanks |
| 16:37.28 | spal | so iceweasel-beta is the current firefox 6.0 developmental version? |
| 16:38.37 | stew | spal: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 |
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| 16:40.04 | spal | dpkg bot isn't there today? |
| 16:40.22 | jhutchins | spal: He's on summer break |
| 16:40.27 | spal | okay |
| 16:40.40 | stew | spal: dselect has a read-only copy of the database |
| 16:40.42 | jmarsden | %dselectbot |
| 16:40.42 | dselect | The bot "dselect" is a back-up bot for dpkg when it needs a rest. His database is a snapshot of dpkg's, factoid editing is disabled. The address character for dselect is %. |
| 16:41.13 | upsy | %dpkgbot |
| 16:41.13 | dselect | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
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| 16:45.01 | treebeen | i have an issue with varnish, sometimes when I change something on a website it takes like 2min until the browser gets the change |
| 16:45.21 | treebeen | so hitting F5 will at first show the old state |
| 16:45.47 | spal | What is the 'aptitude' version of this command: apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel ? |
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| 16:46.34 | treebeen | spal: aptitude -t ... install |
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| 16:47.46 | spal | even without -t squeeze-backports, aptitude is selecting iceweasel 6.0 for install. why is the -t option required then? |
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| 16:49.42 | babilen | spal: "apt-cache policy iceweasel" → http://paste.debian.net please + your sources.list |
| 16:49.51 | treebeen | spal: hmm, did you pin the repo? |
| 16:50.00 | spal | no, let me paste that info. |
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| 16:51.17 | spal | babilen, treebeen: here http://paste.debian.net/122577/ |
| 16:52.11 | babilen | spal: Both repos have the same priority and the 6.* version is newer and therefore the installation candidate. |
| 16:52.37 | spal | how did you understand that both have the same priority? |
| 16:52.51 | spal | what it would look life if they had different priorities? |
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| 16:53.20 | babilen | spal: The "500" is the priority there |
| 16:54.02 | spal | okay. is it still a good practice to add "-t squeeze-backports" or in my case it makes no difference at all whether I add "-t squeeze-backports" or not. |
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| 16:54.31 | babilen | spal: It is already the candidate, so there is no reason to raise the priority with "-t repo" |
| 16:54.49 | spal | okay |
| 16:54.52 | treebeen | babilen: why is backports getting a priority of 500 there? |
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| 16:55.46 | treebeen | on my lenny system backports has 80 I think |
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| 16:56.53 | babilen | treebeen: this is not bdo, but the iceweasel-team repository |
| 16:56.54 | LuckySMack | on the dow |
| 16:56.58 | LuckySMack | oops |
| 16:56.59 | Big_Brother | my startup is stuck at a rapidly blinking cursor, i just uninstalled nvidia-settings, any ideas? |
| 16:57.31 | wols_ | what is the last text you see? |
| 16:57.35 | LuckySMack | on the download page is the update 6.0.2.1 update iso the preferred download? |
| 16:57.47 | treebeen | babilen: ah, right... and does the repo set it's own prio? |
| 16:57.51 | Big_Brother | wols_: me? |
| 16:57.55 | wols_ | yes |
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| 16:58.23 | Big_Brother | wols_: the startup text. |
| 16:58.51 | babilen | treebeen: apparently not -- Sorry, I haven't investigated their repository setup in detail and can not provide authorative information on that matter. |
| 16:58.57 | wols_ | I love it when people describe something as if everyone knows exactly what they mean with this description |
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| 16:59.14 | stew | LuckySMack: are you updating an install? or making a new install? |
| 16:59.18 | treebeen | babilen: no, I just wonder in general... |
| 16:59.20 | LuckySMack | new |
| 16:59.29 | stew | wols_: i don't know what you mean by that :P |
| 17:00.01 | treebeen | wols_: I mean, isn't it all meaningless? |
| 17:00.02 | stew | LuckySMack: then no, you want a netinst, or cd1 perhaps. the update cd is for bringing up to date a previous install that cannot download updates from a network |
| 17:00.09 | wols_ | LuckySMack: then an update ISO is not right for you. get the current installer |
| 17:00.10 | Big_Brother | wols_: the standard startup text. you know, things are loading. |
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| 17:00.21 | LuckySMack | ok cool. |
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| 17:00.33 | wols_ | Big_Brother: one more time: what is the last text you see? |
| 17:00.44 | Big_Brother | well fuck, lemme restart. |
| 17:00.49 | wols_ | stop |
| 17:01.05 | LuckySMack | so all the dvd-1, dvd-2, dvd-3 ... are all the same? just mirrors or something? or are there differences between them |
| 17:01.07 | wols_ | if you get the blinking cursor, press ctrl+alt+f2 if you think it hsould have loaded |
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| 17:01.38 | wols_ | Big_Brother: that should bring you to a login text console. also check if there are any xorg.conf remnants in /etc/X11 which possibly load the nvidia driver still |
| 17:01.47 | stew | LuckySMack: those dvds comprise a complete set of every pacakge available ( more than 30k packages), and are intended for getting packages to machines that cannot download them from a network |
| 17:02.00 | wols_ | LuckySMack: no. each one has different software. Debian is tens of gigabytes for software |
| 17:02.19 | stew | LuckySMack: dvd1/cd1/netinst all contain the installer + some packages ; the other cds just contain more and more packages, with no installer |
| 17:02.50 | stew | LuckySMack: netinst contains just required pacakges, cd1 contains all that + a gnome desktop + other stuff, dvd1 contains all that plus more stuff |
| 17:02.51 | LuckySMack | oooh ok. i see. actually thats kinda cool thats available. |
| 17:03.42 | LuckySMack | yea i was going to download the dvd. so ill just get #1 then. at home i dont have a very speedy connection or i would just use the netinstaller |
| 17:03.54 | LuckySMack | thanks guys. |
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| 17:04.54 | LuckySMack | yea ive decided to go from ubuntu to debian. which is what i have on my server. |
| 17:05.03 | skilz | how do I install a ttf font? |
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| 17:05.28 | Big_Brother | wols_: i think 'starting aehvis-daemon' maybe. the text goes by really quick. |
| 17:05.28 | skilz | I have on in my home dir I want to use for an application |
| 17:05.53 | spal | just want to confirm: iceweasel-beta amd64 is 64-bit Iceweasel, am I right? |
| 17:06.06 | wols_ | Big_Brother: then press ctrl+alt+f2 as I told you above and look for the xorg.conf remnants |
| 17:06.15 | jhutchins | spal: right |
| 17:06.16 | spal | so the mozilla-debian team builds the modified-Firefox from source for amd64. am I right? |
| 17:06.21 | spal | great. thanks. |
| 17:06.25 | wols_ | Big_Brother: provided you don't want to use the nvidia drivers anymore and use nouveau instead |
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| 17:07.20 | Big_Brother | wols_: keyboard is on the fritz. most likely because the system is. |
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| 17:07.37 | wols_ | %nodm |
| 17:07.37 | dselect | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 17:07.50 | wols_ | then disable your displaymanager so X doesn't start on startup |
| 17:08.07 | tux__ | I upgraded to squeeze, and everything looks good except when I open the terminal it resizes slowly, and it is annoying. |
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| 17:08.56 | Big_Brother | wols_: that 'aptitude remove ...' thing is all one line,r ight ? |
| 17:09.54 | tux__ | nevermind |
| 17:10.00 | tux__ | xfce made there terminal better,. |
| 17:10.05 | tux__ | cool |
| 17:10.08 | tux__ | i like testing. |
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| 17:12.12 | wols_ | Big_Brother: sure but I'd use another way |
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| 17:15.29 | MrFrood | treebeen: there are lots of x-terminal emulators in the reps, you do not have to stick with what your DE provides |
| 17:15.42 | Big_Brother | wols_: and to reinstall gnome and related packages? |
| 17:15.47 | MrFrood | er that was for tux__ but he left :( |
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| 17:19.38 | spal | iceweasel 6.0 works like charm. thanks guys for telling me about mozilla.debian.org :) |
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| 17:20.22 | stew | .net |
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| 17:27.21 | skilz | how do I install a ttf font? |
| 17:27.24 | skilz | I have on in my home dir I want to use for an application |
| 17:27.37 | valdyn | skilz: copy it into ~/.fonts/ |
| 17:27.54 | simonlnu | put it in ~/.fonts run fc-cache |
| 17:28.34 | smoggy | hey everyone... i have a problem... i had install apache, mysql and phpmyadmin. the normal index.html on http://localhost/ works perfect, but my phpinfo() doestn seem to work. i've tried several solutions from google, but all fail. can anyone help me? |
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| 17:29.02 | stew | smoggy: be more descriptive than just "doesn't work" |
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| 17:29.54 | smoggy | sry. it havnt any output |
| 17:29.59 | smoggy | its a blank site. |
| 17:30.16 | karlpinc_ | smoggy: Look at the apache logs. If you need help pastebin them for us. |
| 17:30.20 | stew | smoggy: do you actually see the "phpinfo()" code? |
| 17:30.38 | stew | smoggy: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed? |
| 17:30.43 | smoggy | no, there isnt any source-code |
| 17:30.47 | karlpinc_ | !tell smoggy about readme.debian |
| 17:30.49 | smoggy | i will try stew |
| 17:30.55 | stew | try what? |
| 17:31.06 | karlpinc_ | %tell smoggy about readme.debian |
| 17:31.33 | karlpinc_ | smoggy: There's a readme.debian for apache that you will likely find useful. There may also be something for php.... |
| 17:31.46 | smoggy | stew, i havnt install it :d |
| 17:31.57 | smoggy | thx you for the advice karlpinc_ |
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| 17:33.15 | smoggy | k, ive already installed libapache2-mod-php5 ( ive tried MANY things... ) but for now i try the readme :d |
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| 17:33.46 | zykotick9_ | When the netinstall asks for a web proxy, could I point this to an apt-cacher-ng cache? |
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| 17:34.17 | spal | so Firefox themselves do not provide 64-bit builds? Debian project creates the 64-bit build for us? |
| 17:34.28 | fiacha | Hi, i want to set up 802.3ad bonding. I have a procurve 3500yl-24g, a quad port intel nic (how can i find out exactly what type?) and the stable debian. I installed ifenslave and setup the mode=4 and added slaves (eth0-3). I tried 3 differnt optionms on the switch, lacp active, lacp passive and lacp disabled but trunk type = lacp and trunk group = 1. But i can't get a ping etc to work. What am i doing wrong? |
| 17:34.55 | stew | zykotick9_: no, that's not a web proxy, that is an apt proxy. |
| 17:35.08 | zykotick9_ | stew, thanks. |
| 17:35.14 | stew | spal: debian creates 64 bit builds for you. no idea what firefox does |
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| 17:35.22 | spal | okay |
| 17:36.01 | mtnman | hello |
| 17:36.09 | stew | spal: of course, if firefox does provide 64 bit builds, it doesn't matter, debian is going to rebuild it for you no matter what |
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| 17:36.21 | spal | okay |
| 17:36.37 | fiacha | ifconfig |
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| 17:41.10 | fiacha | ohhh nm i forgot to untag the new trunk. Thanks for the help, now it works =) |
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| 17:42.08 | ironm | good afternoon - is there the following meta package for wheezy? - xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 - Xen system with Linux 2.6 for 64-bit PCs (meta-package) |
| 17:42.19 | ironm | or similar one |
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| 17:42.28 | twobitsprite | lol... installing ed wants to remove virtualbox-ose-qt... |
| 17:42.28 | wols_ | ironm: packages.debian.org |
| 17:43.18 | ironm | thank you. I didn't find anything there for wheezy wols_ :/ |
| 17:43.48 | dkr | ironm: wheezy is testing |
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| 17:44.12 | ironm | yes .. I looked for testing dkr (thank you) |
| 17:44.36 | ironm | experimental is not testing (I guess) |
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| 17:45.37 | twobitsprite | ironm: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:46.22 | twobitsprite | ironm: the xen extentions are built in to the default kernel iirc |
| 17:46.58 | ironm | helloo twobitsprite - I try to find the same xen package on wheezy as on squeeze (s. below) - root@debian:/etc/apt# apt-cache search linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 |
| 17:46.58 | ironm | linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 - Linux 2.6 for 64-bit PCs (meta-package), Xen dom0 support |
| 17:47.18 | smoggy | stew> smoggy: do you actually see the "phpinfo()" code? << yes, the first time ive seen it, but after phpmyadmin it "disappear" |
| 17:47.42 | stew | smoggy: what is returned when you run "a2enmod php5" |
| 17:48.05 | twobitsprite | ironm: ask in #debian-xen, but I believe that support is included in the default kernel now |
| 17:48.11 | smoggy | ERROR: Config file php5.conf not properly enabled: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf is a real file, not touching it |
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| 17:48.27 | twobitsprite | er, sorry, #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:48.33 | ironm | twobitsprite, I have included xen-hypervisor-4.1-amd64 |
| 17:48.33 | kotique | alright, need help with make-kpkg. need to specify kernel minor version so that it appears in uname -r |
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| 17:48.54 | ironm | great .. thank you vefry much twobitsprite :) |
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| 17:49.35 | ironm | the kernel is 2.6-39 |
| 17:50.03 | twobitsprite | *shrug* like I said, ask in #debian-xen on oftc |
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| 17:50.25 | ironm | I am there now .. thank you twobitsprite :)) |
| 17:50.29 | twobitsprite | np |
| 17:50.45 | stew | smoggy: oh, so you created a /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf? what did you put in there? |
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| 17:52.21 | twobitsprite | smoggy: It seems to me like it's compaining that the file isn't a symlink. The idea is that you put your config in /etc/apache2/mods-available and symlink them from mods-enabled |
| 17:52.48 | ironm | E: Package 'linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64' has no installation candidate |
| 17:53.07 | smoggy | okey, i had to say i'm a newbie in linux... so what should i do? |
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| 17:54.17 | twobitsprite | smoggy: move your file to /etc/apache2/mods-available, then run "a2enmod php5" |
| 17:54.29 | stew | wait |
| 17:54.31 | ironm | smoggy, ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/mod-name . # in case you are in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 17:54.41 | stew | ugh |
| 17:54.42 | ironm | or that |
| 17:54.53 | twobitsprite | defers to stew |
| 17:54.56 | smoggy | aaaah now i understand, thx :) |
| 17:55.33 | twobitsprite | stew: that's how I've always done it... is there a more correct way? |
| 17:55.38 | stew | smoggy: a2enmod php5 is the command you want, but its going to fail until we get the /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5* files out of the way. I don't know why you have those files there, someone must have created them |
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| 17:55.51 | stew | twobitsprite: no, you are good |
| 17:56.04 | simonlnu | probably put there on install.. |
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| 17:56.09 | twobitsprite | stew: right, that's what I was saying... move the file from mods-enabled to mods-available |
| 17:56.16 | twobitsprite | right? |
| 17:56.23 | simonlnu | a symlink is used |
| 17:56.26 | stew | twobitsprite: but there should already be debian provided php5.* files in mods-available |
| 17:56.41 | stew | twobitsprite: i don't think he want to overwrite the debian versions necessarily |
| 17:57.16 | twobitsprite | ahh... I was assuming he was installing a homebrewed php5 which was why he was writing his own php5 config files... but maybe not |
| 17:57.29 | twobitsprite | smoggy: where did you install php5 from? |
| 17:57.36 | smoggy | apt-get |
| 17:57.46 | stew | yeah, i dunno. my guess is that someone with less clue told him to cp from mods-availaable to mods-enabled |
| 17:58.06 | twobitsprite | smoggy: ok yeah... in that case, there should already be php5 files in /etc/apache2/mods-available... edit those and put in your changes |
| 17:58.12 | simonlnu | proably.. |
| 17:58.15 | twobitsprite | anyways, meeting time... bbiab |
| 17:58.19 | simonlnu | probably* |
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| 17:58.25 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:58.28 | stew | smoggy: does "md5sum /etc/apache2/mods-{enabled,available}/php5.conf" return two different md5sums? the same one twice? one and an error? |
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| 17:59.44 | smoggy | yes, stew, there are two differend. no error. should they be the same? |
| 18:00.19 | smoggy | when i understand it right, they had to be the same? |
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| 18:01.03 | stew | smoggy: no, the scripts was expecting to either find nothing in mods-enabled, or that mods-enabled had a symlink to the version in mods-available. it didn't expect to find a regular file |
| 18:01.40 | stew | smoggy: can you show us the output of "diff -u /etc/apache2/mods-{available,enabled}/php5.conf"? |
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| 18:04.56 | smoggy | http://pastebin.com/naj25Ktr here you can find the output |
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| 18:06.25 | stew | smoggy: so the significant change here is that your version of the config tries to allow local users to run php from their ~/public_html directories if user_dir is enabled. is this something you still want? |
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| 18:07.23 | smoggy | if ive done something, it wasnt my intention |
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| 18:08.08 | smoggy | i only copy-paste a solution from google, i have a backup from the first one |
| 18:09.21 | kotique | dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory |
| 18:09.31 | kotique | gettng this on CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 make-kpkg --append-to-version .yuri --arch-in-name --initrd --config menuconfig buildpackage |
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| 18:28.34 | smoggy | hm... anyone any solutions for my problem? should i reinstall everything or just reconfigure? |
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| 18:29.30 | Hachya | don't see a description of it, can u send again? |
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| 18:32.56 | smoggy | ai, Hachya. ty :D my problem is that php5 doesnt seem to work on my apache server. ive installed apache, after that php5. phpinfo.php works fine. but after ive had installed phpmyadmin on the server php5 doesnt work anymore. ive tried many solutions from google but nothing work for me |
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| 18:33.25 | raz | hmm |
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| 18:33.36 | raz | route add 1.2.3.4 gw 127.0.0.1 lo |
| 18:33.44 | raz | how can it be that 1.2.3.4 still creates new TCP connections? |
| 18:34.04 | raz | (as ESTABLISHED in netstat) |
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| 18:35.25 | Hachya | smoggy: let me look at something... |
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| 18:36.42 | kotique | apt-cache -t lenny-backports policy shorewall |
| 18:36.42 | sylar | why gnome monitor doesn't show hard disk read/write while its cpu monitor show IOWait ? |
| 18:36.46 | kotique | is that the right command? |
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| 18:40.42 | twanny796 | I have / 100%, how can I see which directories are consuming most space so that they will be moved on to another hard disk? |
| 18:41.36 | eldowan | oooo, the only quick way that /I/ know is using kde... I wonder... |
| 18:41.46 | wols_ | twanny796: du --max-depth=1 |
| 18:41.56 | eldowan | yeah! that's what I was looking for as well |
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| 18:43.19 | twanny796 | wols_: ok, thanks |
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| 18:44.18 | choke1123 | ola |
| 18:44.44 | tuggle | hi, any idea why Firefox wouldn't want to open mms despite the usual configuration in about:config ( network...mms, etc.)? |
| 18:45.50 | raz | damnit |
| 18:45.55 | raz | i can't ban this friggin' ip address |
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| 18:47.24 | dedbef | /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 18:47.47 | dedbef | iptables -I INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP |
| 18:47.58 | raz | yea i've done that, and added a null route |
| 18:48.11 | dedbef | still nothing? |
| 18:48.13 | raz | and tcpdump doesn't show me any packets from or to that address |
| 18:48.25 | dedbef | tcpcutter |
| 18:48.32 | raz | but this keeps going up and down: netstat -n | grep 1.2.3.4 | grep ESTA |
| 18:48.47 | raz | shouldn't it go only down now? |
| 18:48.48 | dacu | I am using gnome on squeeze - and have two monitors connected - everything is fine - I just want to have my GNOME panel in a left monitor instead of right - can anyone tel me how to do that ? |
| 18:49.16 | raz | oh! |
| 18:49.20 | raz | not that again.. |
| 18:49.37 | raz | ah no, n/m |
| 18:49.54 | raz | just wondering why a lot of conns are listed as tcp6 in netstat (including the offending ones) |
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| 18:50.15 | raz | do i need to do something special to block them? |
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| 18:50.49 | smoggy | Hachya, anything found? :) |
| 18:50.51 | dacu | done it - just press alt and drag the panel - thank you all |
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| 18:52.00 | Hachya | smoggy: not yet, it's kind of an odd issue... :D |
| 18:52.16 | Leoneof | hi, what's the command to download the package, but not to install |
| 18:52.27 | Hachya | smoggy: rite now I'm kinda baffled...what distro u running? |
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| 18:52.55 | Hachya | apt-get without install... |
| 18:53.18 | smoggy | of course debian. i try |
| 18:53.24 | smoggy | oO |
| 18:53.41 | Hachya | smoggy: yeah I'm a tool, forgot what channel this was in! XD |
| 18:53.48 | calisto | hi, how change the default permissions when creating files or folders in shell or the GUI? |
| 18:53.50 | Hachya | smoggy: have ike 10 open :D |
| 18:53.51 | smoggy | haha okey :D |
| 18:53.53 | wols_ | Leoneof: man apt-get "/download" |
| 18:54.04 | wols_ | calisto: umask |
| 18:54.16 | Hachya | Leonof: what he said... |
| 18:54.36 | Leoneof | thanks |
| 18:54.38 | Leoneof | got it |
| 18:54.46 | Leoneof | apt-get install -d <package> |
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| 18:55.10 | Hachya | Leoneof: if you want it installed, yes.... |
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| 18:55.35 | Leoneof | no, this way won't install |
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| 18:55.37 | wols_ | Hachya: see the "-d" |
| 18:55.49 | Hachya | wols_: yeah just noticed :D |
| 18:55.56 | Leoneof | :D |
| 18:56.09 | Hachya | loozin my mind! |
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| 19:00.04 | a111 | what are the open ssl development packages called on debian |
| 19:00.04 | mads- | Hi. I am running some version of ubuntu right now. What is the fastest way to install debian? |
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| 19:01.27 | a111 | what do you mean mads-? |
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| 19:01.48 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Probably debbootstrap |
| 19:02.06 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Install it in Ubuntu (from their source), read the instructions, run it. |
| 19:02.12 | mads- | I mean, I download the image and is there then a quick way to throw it onto a bootable USB drive? |
| 19:02.15 | jhutchins_lt | %debbootstrap |
| 19:02.26 | poisonbit | install from hard disk is supported, but not from ext4 at least in the stable installer |
| 19:02.28 | kotique | dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.32.42.yuri-aacraid.new-yuri not in control info |
| 19:02.32 | kotique | this is crazy |
| 19:02.34 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: cat image.iso > /dev/sdX |
| 19:02.38 | kotique | what the hell is missing here ?:/ |
| 19:03.00 | mads- | jhutchins, nothing more? |
| 19:03.07 | mads- | jhutchins_lt, nothing more? |
| 19:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Not really. Good idea to read the install guide. |
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| 19:03.23 | jhutchins_lt | %ig |
| 19:03.24 | dselect | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 19:03.31 | mads- | That's awesomely easy :) |
| 19:03.39 | poisonbit | yes, nothing more, you do not need acanonical gui that is only packaged for ubuntu, to create debian usb installers (at least by now) |
| 19:03.41 | jhutchins_lt | We aims to please! |
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| 19:04.13 | mads- | Do I set some flag on the USB to make it bootable or is it just set? |
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| 19:04.36 | mads- | Or does that question not make any sense? |
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| 19:05.05 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: The image is supposed to be bootable, all you have to do is transfer it to the device. |
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| 19:05.09 | poisonbit | you cat to the device, so it will create the first 512 bits of the disk |
| 19:05.23 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: I must admit that I used unetbootin to download and install the image. |
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| 19:05.24 | mads- | I love it |
| 19:05.25 | calisto | wolfric, umask and what more? |
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| 19:05.44 | mads- | I have just heard bad things about unetbootin and the windows client isn't really that stable. |
| 19:05.49 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: That was a little while before the official release though (needed newer drivers). |
| 19:05.55 | mads- | So I came here looking for a more debian way :) |
| 19:06.09 | jhutchins_lt | I used the linux client. |
| 19:06.10 | twanny796 | how is a partition mounted automatically at startup? |
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| 19:07.13 | poisonbit | twanny796, you define it on /etc/fstab, and init scripts does it |
| 19:07.32 | poisonbit | check /etc/init.d/mount* code etc |
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| 19:10.37 | kotique | anyone ever compiled custom kernels on debian? |
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| 19:10.54 | nkuttler | kotique: no |
| 19:11.17 | cusco | nobody, ever |
| 19:11.18 | cusco | lol |
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| 19:11.33 | jhutchins_lt | %dbuild |
| 19:11.34 | dselect | i guess dbuild is a Tool for building Debian binary packages from Debian sources |
| 19:11.45 | cusco | sure some one already did, many times, he's just not replying. You should try asking the real question |
| 19:11.50 | nkuttler | %kp |
| 19:11.50 | dselect | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 19:12.13 | Sazpaimon_ | what's compiling? I think you want #gentoo |
| 19:12.42 | kotique | bad for you |
| 19:13.32 | kotique | looks like deps in kpgkgscript are broken |
| 19:13.35 | kotique | akjfalsfja;slf |
| 19:13.39 | Sazpaimon_ | Hey, I'm trying to figure out the technical term for something that will only be allowed to run if it hasn't in the last x amount of time |
| 19:13.46 | kotique | who gave those scripts such names? |
| 19:13.48 | kotique | kernel-compile |
| 19:13.49 | Sazpaimon_ | the name absolutely escapes me |
| 19:14.18 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.23 | kotique | not kgpgkgkemdf-klmn |
| 19:14.49 | jelly-home | kotique: let's stick to technical issues |
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| 19:16.21 | kotique | make-kpg gave me the above error. I just run clean, and configure without --append-to-version and it seems it corrected the generated control file |
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| 19:16.58 | jhutchins_lt | I think it would be useful to have a build-essentials that was stripped down to just the minimum needed to recompile a debian package. |
| 19:17.09 | jhutchins_lt | The current one has ALL the bells and whistles possible. |
| 19:17.17 | kotique | though what I really expected is that buildpackage target would run configure, bzImage, modules and only then build debian package |
| 19:17.20 | mads- | I'm getting "bash: /dev/sdb: Permission denied" when trying to cat the img down to the USB |
| 19:17.37 | mads- | How should the USB be? mounted or not? And should it contain a filesystem? |
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| 19:17.51 | stew | jhutchins_lt: that's dpkg-dev |
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| 19:18.07 | stew | oh and i guess make |
| 19:18.12 | kotique | mads-, it should be clean and dry. |
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| 19:18.31 | mads- | So not even a filesystem on it? |
| 19:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Doesn't matter, the new image will overwrite anything there. |
| 19:18.52 | kotique | mads-, you can put a FS there |
| 19:19.01 | poisonbit | Permission denied is more about you need to do it as root |
| 19:19.02 | kotique | and write the image into mounted fs |
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| 19:19.12 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: Doesn't need to be mounted (you're writing to the /dev). |
| 19:19.22 | jhutchins_lt | mads-: You do, of course, need to have root privilages. |
| 19:20.07 | mads- | It has no FS and it is not mounted. BUt I get the permission denied even though I'm using sudo |
| 19:20.28 | jhutchins_lt | kotique: Actually, you cat or dd directly to the device without mounting it. If you mount it, it won't be bootable. |
| 19:20.49 | jhutchins_lt | %usb install |
| 19:20.49 | dselect | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:21.14 | kotique | me? cat? no, i'm a human |
| 19:21.53 | kotique | though you can never be sure |
| 19:22.23 | kotique | mads-, ls -l /dev/sdb; id |
| 19:22.43 | poisonbit | sudo cat whatever > here_you_are_the_plain_user_so_no_sudo_rights |
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| 19:23.23 | mads- | kotique, what are we looking for there? |
| 19:24.02 | kotique | mads-, oh, i thought you were reading your /dev/sdb |
| 19:24.48 | mads- | kotique, I'm trying to write the debian installation files to it |
| 19:24.51 | kotique | and why would you cat ? i think it has buffered i/o |
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| 19:25.08 | kotique | oh, debian install files on usb? are you trying to make a bootable usb stick? |
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| 19:25.35 | mads- | Yeah |
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| 19:25.46 | mads- | I'm just trying to get something on to the stick |
| 19:26.02 | mads- | Right now I'm doing "sudo cat debian.img > /dev/sdb" and getting Permission denied |
| 19:26.10 | poisonbit | sudo -i, and do it as root |
| 19:26.20 | poisonbit | that sudo is only taking cat |
| 19:26.39 | kotique | sudo dd if=debian.img of=/dev/sdb bs=512k |
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| 19:26.59 | mads- | poisonbit, that worked |
| 19:27.07 | mads- | I have much to learn apparently |
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| 19:27.59 | kotique | but that won't guarantee you'll be able to boot off that usb stick |
| 19:28.11 | carnedepassaro | to configure ethernet bondig with two interfaces, sholud I need an IP address to each interface plus the bond interface, or I need only one IP, on my bond interface? |
| 19:28.12 | MoonTiger | wow guys really.... debian wheezy is utterly unusable |
| 19:28.16 | mads- | What does dd do? |
| 19:28.18 | MoonTiger | does it actually work for anybody? |
| 19:28.43 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.52 | MoonTiger | well you for example |
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| 19:28.56 | wizzr | debian > ubuntu |
| 19:29.05 | MoonTiger | wizzr, thats great |
| 19:29.05 | poisonbit | carnedepassaro, you're supposed to assign ip addresses to the bond devices |
| 19:29.15 | wizzr | ubuntu is absolute shite |
| 19:29.17 | poisonbit | carnedepassaro, bond device slaves (eths) doesn't need one |
| 19:29.18 | wols_ | MoonTiger: there is a reason you are told to run stable. if you run testing or unstable you are supposed to know what you're getting into |
| 19:29.22 | mads- | Thank you guys, I'm gonna pop a restart and see if I can get debian on this machine :) |
| 19:29.34 | MoonTiger | wols_, i have run debian testing for 7+ yrs |
| 19:29.38 | wizzr | debian is the hackers operating system |
| 19:29.42 | MoonTiger | i have *never* had such problems before |
| 19:29.51 | carnedepassaro | poisonbit: nice, thank you |
| 19:29.52 | MoonTiger | wizzr, thanks |
| 19:30.18 | wizzr | debian is the OS scammers and fraud artists choose |
| 19:30.29 | MoonTiger | wizzr, are you a bot? |
| 19:30.39 | MoonTiger | or are you just immature? |
| 19:30.41 | wizzr | MoonTiger: i am not a bot |
| 19:30.48 | wizzr | MoonTiger: i am immature |
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| 19:30.53 | MoonTiger | ok thought so |
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| 19:31.14 | wizzr | up365 is from new jersey, i believe |
| 19:31.34 | wols_ | wizzr: do you have a debian related support problem? |
| 19:31.46 | wizzr | wols_: no, i'm here to help others |
| 19:31.48 | poisonbit | carnedepassaro, take a look at /usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/README.Debian here you have an example of how eths should be ("manual") |
| 19:31.59 | wols_ | wizzr: then stop the offtopicness please |
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| 19:32.37 | stew | wizzr: can you please limit your comments to helping people with support questions. from the way you've started up in here, it looks like you are instead just trying to cause a disruption |
| 19:32.45 | carnedepassaro | poisonbit: I'll read, thak you again |
| 19:32.48 | wizzr | what kind of disruption, stew? |
| 19:32.49 | MoonTiger | wols_, the wiki isn't much help i'm finding for things like networkmanager and shutdown/reboot when not using gdm / kdm |
| 19:32.56 | poisonbit | carnedepassaro, also /usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/examples/* |
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| 19:33.39 | axcx | Hey everyone, is there a way to install debian and make it replace my ubuntu but keep all my private files in /home/ so I do not have to make a copy somewhere while reinstalling |
| 19:33.42 | MoonTiger | is slim not supported anymore? |
| 19:33.49 | stew | wizzr: see PM |
| 19:33.52 | wizzr | must admin that the best pizza pie he ever consumed was in New Jersey |
| 19:33.56 | MoonTiger | axcx, back them up before installing |
| 19:34.08 | axcx | dont have an external drive... grrr oh well |
| 19:34.12 | poisonbit | axcx, do you have /home on a sepparated partition ? |
| 19:34.17 | axcx | yes |
| 19:34.23 | MoonTiger | oh then easy |
| 19:34.24 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 19:34.25 | poisonbit | then use manual partitioning during install |
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| 19:35.53 | axcx | okay, I will give it a go... and probably stop and go buy an external hdd because im too scared to loose all my stuff :) |
| 19:36.20 | MoonTiger | axcx, prolly best to have a backup then anyways no? |
| 19:36.26 | poisonbit | if you do not want to loose that data... at least a copy on other hdd could be nice |
| 19:36.31 | axcx | true |
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| 19:37.34 | dedbef | whats is that darn media player installed on desktops defaultly? and to install more codecs does it just use gstreamer stuff? (friend is having probs playing mkv's) |
| 19:37.55 | poisonbit | maybe totem ? |
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| 19:38.36 | dedbef | oh god its totem... i hate totem |
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| 19:40.53 | eldowan | agreed |
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| 19:41.07 | jhutchins_lt | It's wierd, there are a couple of players that always work, vlc (almost) and mplayer, yet all of the distros default to installing one of the squirrel brained alternatives that almost NEVER work for most uses. |
| 19:41.13 | kotique | it actually worked and built the binary kernel package |
| 19:41.31 | MoonTiger | jhutchins, AGREED |
| 19:41.35 | MoonTiger | ooops |
| 19:41.44 | jhutchins_lt | :) |
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| 19:42.07 | poisonbit | it's opensource, if it fails in some aspect... as people use to say... use their bug tracker |
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| 19:43.08 | poisonbit | if that doesn't work, maybe it's license allow you to fork it |
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| 19:44.44 | simonlnu | aaah, fork it |
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| 19:45.51 | poisonbit | everybody likes to blame... but not everybody likes to read/patch/create and SHARE code |
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| 19:48.26 | somiaj_ | dedbef: just add some non-free sources and install a media player you like, I like mplayer, but I think vlc is more popular. |
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| 19:48.54 | somiaj_ | opensource players dn't usually come with closed source codecs which a majority of media you get uses. |
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| 19:49.47 | jelly-home | somiaj: actually, majority of media is playable with opensource codecs, most of which are in ffmpeg, select few in other libs |
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| 19:50.50 | somiaj | jelly-home: ahh I must still be living in 2000 -- haven't kept up to date, didn't realize the opensource codecs could read closed sourced stuff. (: |
| 19:51.03 | mamalujo | hi! I was considering trying out that rolling.debian.net repo, since I use testing anyway. But apparently, its release file expired? can this be overriden? Or is there any point and nobody is working on this anymore? I gathered by the mailinglists this got fairly good reactions, so I thought it might be a good idea to try it out... |
| 19:51.24 | stew | mamalujo: see http://rolling.debian.net/index.txt |
| 19:51.25 | jelly-home | somiaj: vlc comes with only opensource codecs and can play almost anything |
| 19:52.39 | mamalujo | stew: yeah, I saw that. but there's a few packages in the pool there, so I thought even as a prototype, perhaps its of some use |
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| 19:57.31 | mark76 | Is there a reason the Debian installer is still in my menu? |
| 19:57.53 | simonlnu | it likes you |
| 19:58.27 | mark76 | Seems a bit strange. You'd think it'd be removed during installation |
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| 20:01.35 | jhutchins_lt | How did you install it? |
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| 20:02.12 | mark76 | From the live CD |
| 20:02.23 | mark76 | I forget the options |
| 20:02.48 | simonlnu | probably just copied some menu entry to the installed system, from the live cd one |
| 20:02.56 | mark76 | Sounds like it |
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| 20:03.18 | whiskerlick | Hi, I have had MPD and ALSA running perfectly fine on a debian squeeze install, however after a reboot it seeems that Alsa cannot recognize my sound card. Where should I start looking to begin fixing this problem? lspci lists my card still |
| 20:03.18 | zykotick9_ | mark76, i certainly don't have an d-i in my menus? I installed from netinstall however. |
| 20:03.54 | zykotick9_ | %alsa checklist |
| 20:03.54 | dselect | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 20:04.02 | mark76 | Debian Installer is part of the live CD version |
| 20:04.48 | simonlnu | i'd call that a minor bug if that's what happened (or something similar) |
| 20:05.10 | whiskerlick | dselect: I am in the audio group, and alsamixer claims it cannot find "Card 0" when I attempt to run `alsamixer -c0` What is Arts/esound? Speakers are attached, however I know the card isn't recognized as ncmpcpp reports "n/a" by the volume adjustment. |
| 20:05.11 | dselect | whiskerlick: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:05.21 | whiskerlick | oh that's a robot. <3 |
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| 20:07.03 | simonlnu | whiskerlick: dselect is a bot |
| 20:07.12 | simonlnu | ...as you figured out |
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| 20:08.04 | ringo_ | I think I need to kill a process but I dont know how to do it |
| 20:08.20 | ringo_ | can som |
| 20:08.36 | whiskerlick | Make sure you're root and use the command kill -9 <pid> |
| 20:08.59 | zykotick9_ | whiskerlick, don't recommend -9 as root to start with. |
| 20:09.21 | whiskerlick | That's how I've always done it ;) What's the best suggestion? killall? |
| 20:09.42 | ringo_ | whiskerlick, how do I find out the pid? |
| 20:09.51 | whiskerlick | ringo_: ps aux | grep <process name> |
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| 20:10.45 | ringo_ | ok now what am I looking for? |
| 20:10.55 | whiskerlick | the second column |
| 20:10.58 | zykotick9_ | ringo_, what do you want to kill, and why? |
| 20:11.10 | ringo_ | PySol froze :( |
| 20:11.27 | ringo_ | a python solitare game |
| 20:11.30 | zykotick9_ | ring0, "ps aux | grep -i pysol" do you see the process name. |
| 20:11.48 | zykotick9_ | ringo_, i'm familiar with pysol, one of my mother's favourites |
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| 20:12.37 | whiskerlick | %alsa firmware |
| 20:12.37 | dselect | Binary-only <firmware> is removed from the Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd-cs46xx), ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd-maestro3), Korg 1212 I/O (snd-korg1212) and Yamaha YMF (snd-ymfpci) ALSA drivers as of linux-2.6 2.6.23-1. Firmware from userspace is now required by these drivers. Ask me about <cs46xx>, <maestro3>, <korg1212> or <ymfpci> respectively. For E-MU Digital Audio Systems devices, ask me about <emu10k1>. |
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| 20:13.06 | whiskerlick | zykotick9_: Do you have any additional suggestions for helping ALSA recognize my sound card? Keeping in mind that it was functioning prior to a reboot |
| 20:13.37 | ringo_ | yes, but which number is it? |
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| 20:14.17 | ringo_ | zykotick9_, Is it the second number? |
| 20:14.41 | whiskerlick | ringo_: Yes, the one who's column begins with PID |
| 20:15.00 | zykotick9_ | whiskerlick, sorry i don't. When you asked for "where do I start" i thought "%alsa checklist" would be appropriate. Best of luck. Also, you might be interested in the "%msgthebot" factoid - but replace dpkg with dselect (for the time being) |
| 20:15.06 | zykotick9_ | %msgthebot |
| 20:15.07 | dselect | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
| 20:15.23 | zykotick9_ | ringo_, is the process name pysol? |
| 20:15.34 | ringo_ | zykotick9_, There are no headers :( |
| 20:15.36 | ringo_ | yes |
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| 20:15.52 | zykotick9_ | ringo_, then try "killall pysol" to start with. |
| 20:16.03 | ringo_ | ok |
| 20:16.05 | zykotick9_ | ringo_, as your regular user first |
| 20:17.19 | ringo_ | it say no process found |
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| 20:17.53 | zykotick9_ | ringo_, then pysol is NOT the process name. "ps aux | grep pysol" look for the proper name. |
| 20:18.04 | ringo_ | ok |
| 20:18.30 | zykotick9_ | ringo_, if you can't see it, perhaps you could pastebin the output. |
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| 20:19.41 | ringo_ | this is what it says 'ringo 19420 0.0 0.0 3300 748 pts/2 S+ 15:18 0:00 grep pysol' |
| 20:19.52 | eldowan | that's you running the grep command. |
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| 20:20.20 | zykotick9_ | ringo_, see if "ps aux | grep -i pysol" is any different |
| 20:20.29 | boudiccas | ringo_; can you se ei t running in ...... 'top' .........? |
| 20:20.36 | boudiccas | see it |
| 20:21.23 | ringo_ | is that not right?? I tried to close it and it is hanging for about .5 hours |
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| 20:21.38 | niftylettuce | Question regarding networking: occasionally my USB input for tethered mobile device becomes disconnected, after which when I go to reconnect, the mobile device network name does not display in the list of visible networks, is there a way I can restart network manager to fix this issue? |
| 20:22.06 | ringo_ | how come I dont have columns? |
| 20:22.06 | ringo_ | headers that is |
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| 20:22.18 | boudiccas | ringo_; if it appears in 'top' then you can use the 'kill PID NUMBER' to get rid of it |
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| 20:23.43 | ringo_ | ok, it doesnt show up in top.. should I just not use that window? |
| 20:23.46 | niftylettuce | (note I attempted `/etc/init.d/network-manager restart` but to no luck) |
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| 20:24.14 | zykotick9_ | boudiccas, FYI from top you can press the "k" key to enter a PID to kill. |
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| 20:25.08 | ringo_ | is there anything I can do? or do I just ignore it |
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| 20:25.45 | eldowan | ringo_: did you start it through a terminal session? |
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| 20:26.10 | ringo_ | I lauched it for IDLE, and Idle is hanging too |
| 20:26.41 | boudiccas | zykotick9_; thanks, i didnt know that :) |
| 20:26.53 | eldowan | not sure it would help, as it's not showing up in top, but you could /try/ htop and use the tree view to see if you can find where you launched it from, and kill it's parent (if possible) |
| 20:27.06 | ringo_ | IDLE does not show up in top |
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| 20:28.33 | ringo_ | should I be concerned if wpa_supplicant just appeared in top? |
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| 20:35.58 | mbai | Hi. I accidently deleted /bin/dash. How can I recover the file using aptitude? |
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| 20:36.57 | boudiccas | mbai; remove dash and then reinstall |
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| 20:37.58 | mbai | boudiccas > it wants to remove a butt load of other packages like bash |
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| 20:38.16 | mbai | clisp common-list-controller... |
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| 20:38.28 | boudiccas | mbai; try purging it then |
| 20:38.44 | zykotick9_ | mbai, perhaps "aptitude reinstall dash"? |
| 20:38.55 | boudiccas | mbai; or autoremove and then reinstall |
| 20:39.16 | zykotick9_ | mbai, i'd be careful with boudiccas' advice there |
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| 20:39.27 | mbai | zykotick9> very nice |
| 20:39.30 | lancelot_of | how to reconfigure time? |
| 20:39.38 | lancelot_of | dpkg-reconfigure ...? |
| 20:39.40 | mbai | reinstall did the trick |
| 20:39.57 | boudiccas | lancelot_of; install ntp |
| 20:40.13 | mbai | zykotick9, boudiccas > thanks |
| 20:40.19 | boudiccas | mbai; yw |
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| 20:40.43 | lancelot_of | boudiccas, it's installed |
| 20:41.27 | subuser | you can edit /etc/timezone to a file/zone you're at from /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| 20:41.57 | llutz | lancelot_of: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 20:42.55 | lancelot_of | llutz, great, thank you |
| 20:43.00 | lancelot_of | have a nice night |
| 20:43.01 | lancelot_of | bye |
| 20:44.29 | ringo_ | is this due to connectivety problem or what? W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/htop/htop_0.8.3-1_i386.deb |
| 20:44.29 | ringo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.29 | ringo_ | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libm/libmng/libmng1_1.0.10-1+b1_i386.deb |
| 20:44.29 | ringo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.29 | ringo_ | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-5.1/mysql-common_5.1.49-3_all.deb |
| 20:44.31 | ringo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.33 | ringo_ | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-5.1/libmysqlclient16_5.1.49-3_i386.deb |
| 20:44.36 | ringo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.38 | ringo_ | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqtcore4_4.6.3-4+squeeze1_i386.deb |
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| 20:44.43 | ringo_ | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqt4-xml_4.6.3-4+squeeze1_i386.deb |
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| 20:44.48 | ringo_ | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqt4-dbus_4.6.3-4+squeeze1_i386.deb |
| 20:44.48 | boudiccas | ringo STOP IT |
| 20:44.53 | ringo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.55 | ringo_ | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqtgui4_4.6.3-4+squeeze1_i386.deb |
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| 20:45.01 | boudiccas | ringo_; please use a pastebin |
| 20:45.17 | stew | ringo_: i've silenced you for now, please PM me when you are finished |
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| 20:47.59 | zykotick9_ | ringo_, as a side note, you might be interested in this blog post, it gives directions for installing pysolFC on squeeze https://jehurst.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/pysol-on-debian-squeeze/ |
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| 20:48.14 | MoonTiger | hates mosquitos |
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| 20:53.51 | twobitsprite | I wish there was a way to force people to read the /topic before being able to say anything in channel |
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| 20:56.39 | tehrabbitt | ok this is frustrating me... I'm trying to install the latest ATI driver from their website, and I can't seem to use atitool because xrandr is installed... it won't let me remove xrandr because it's a virtual package... what do I do? |
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| 20:57.25 | eldowan | tehrabbitt: does the amd package still have the option to build to deb? it's been a few years since I looked at that. |
| 20:58.22 | tehrabbitt | eldowan, possibly not sure |
| 20:58.34 | tehrabbitt | eldowan, i've already installed it so how do I remove it then :-\ |
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| 20:59.07 | eldowan | oh, that's a good question. try the installer --help ? see if there's a uninstall / remove option? or check for install logs for clues. |
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| 21:00.14 | MoonTiger | netinst ends really weirdly |
| 21:00.21 | MoonTiger | doesnt actually reboot |
| 21:00.39 | MoonTiger | also not installing grub bootloader confuses the hell out of it |
| 21:01.51 | giwe | How can I assign an LVM volume group to a partition? I get the error "In use by LVM volume group ROOT" |
| 21:02.18 | tehrabbitt | this is all I get: Options, e.g. --dtop and --desktop-setup, are not supported when RandR 1.2 is enabled! |
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| 21:07.14 | MoonTiger | has anybody actually read the debian wiki entry for network manager? |
| 21:07.29 | MoonTiger | can anybody actually make sense of it |
| 21:07.30 | MoonTiger | ? |
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| 21:08.00 | MoonTiger | it's like reading a japanese printer manual from the 80's ... the words are all english but at the end of a sentence nothing was actually said |
| 21:08.14 | Delf | How do I find out the pid of a proccess using a script? |
| 21:09.17 | jhutchins_lt | pidof |
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| 21:10.57 | Delf | pidof <name of the proccess?> |
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| 21:12.39 | twobitsprite | giwe: is that partition already being used an an LVM? that's what it sounds like to me |
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| 21:18.12 | twobitsprite | MoonTiger: what page? |
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| 21:18.22 | MoonTiger | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
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| 21:18.39 | twobitsprite | for some reason it wasn't coming up in the search |
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| 21:18.55 | MoonTiger | twobitsprite, the bit after "Network Manager in Squeeze" |
| 21:19.01 | MoonTiger | completely non-sensical |
| 21:19.30 | JasonWoof | my gnome-panel is having major issues. It's not showing, and "top" says that gnome-panel multiload-apple and xorg are each using about 50% CPU |
| 21:19.40 | JasonWoof | I'm on unstable and just upgraded everything |
| 21:19.50 | twobitsprite | MoonTiger: makes sense to me |
| 21:19.54 | MoonTiger | really? |
| 21:20.06 | JasonWoof | I was running the xmonad window manager, but I just switched back to standard gnome+metacity, and I'm getting the same symtoms |
| 21:20.09 | MoonTiger | can you explain: |
| 21:20.10 | MoonTiger | As of Debian Squeeze, NetworkManager does not manage any interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces by default. |
| 21:20.11 | MoonTiger | Unmanaged devices means NetworkManager doesn't handle those network devices. This occurs when two conditions are met: |
| 21:20.17 | MoonTiger | those 2 sentences make no sense to me |
| 21:20.24 | twobitsprite | MoonTiger: if the interface is listed in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf contains the listed lines, then NM won't manage that interface |
| 21:20.33 | MoonTiger | huh? |
| 21:20.37 | twobitsprite | I can read it online, no need to paste it here |
| 21:20.42 | MrFrood | JasonWoof: dedicated testing/unstable support on #debian-next over on the oftc server |
| 21:20.45 | twobitsprite | how is this hard to understand? |
| 21:20.55 | MoonTiger | i pasted it so you could see the exact bits that i find meaningless |
| 21:20.56 | MoonTiger | sorry |
| 21:21.12 | MoonTiger | so wait... |
| 21:21.28 | MoonTiger | if it is listed *at all* in /e/n/interfaces AND ...? |
| 21:21.34 | JasonWoof | I've also rebooted. before the reboot, gnome-panel disappeared when I hit some keys by accident, also my gtk theme reverted to the windows-95-esque theme, like when gnome-settings-daemon crashes |
| 21:22.01 | MoonTiger | so i remove the iface from /e/n/interfaces completely |
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| 21:22.05 | MoonTiger | and then what? |
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| 21:22.48 | MoonTiger | ive spent j=hours trying to understand those 2 sentences |
| 21:23.41 | th0r | MoonTiger: you have been whining about that wiki for two days, and it reads just fine. You should back up and learn the basics of network control in linux, then try to configure network manager |
| 21:24.05 | MoonTiger | th0r, actually i do know them thanks .... im trying to point out that the wiki page makes *no* sense |
| 21:24.26 | MoonTiger | i have no problem running it on arch |
| 21:24.33 | MoonTiger | and i never had a problem before with it on debian |
| 21:24.43 | MoonTiger | thats why im so puzzled |
| 21:24.46 | th0r | MoonTiger: it reads just fine. If something is defined in both places, network manager will ignore the conf file entry |
| 21:25.22 | th0r | MoonTiger: anything defined in /etc/network/interfaces will come up at boot. anything controlled by network manager will not come up until a user logs in |
| 21:25.41 | MoonTiger | th0r, defined in both places?? what both places? /e/N/NetworkManager.conf doesnt define any interfaces |
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| 21:26.12 | th0r | MoonTiger: /etc/network/interfaces does define interfaces controlled by ifup/ifdown |
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| 21:26.19 | MoonTiger | yes that does |
| 21:26.27 | MoonTiger | what is the *other* place you mention? |
| 21:26.40 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: Within the network-manager applet. |
| 21:26.41 | th0r | MoonTiger: and networkmanager.conf will define interfaces controlled by network manager |
| 21:26.44 | xindz | Anyone here using proxmox? |
| 21:27.01 | MoonTiger | jhutchins, i havent installed the applet yet |
| 21:27.17 | MoonTiger | im just tyring to get the basics working before i spend another few hours doing all the DE stuff |
| 21:27.33 | jhutchins_lt | So for roaming wifi, delete the interfaces entries, set up network-manager and an applet, and use that to manage the wifi. |
| 21:27.45 | MoonTiger | so guys... just to be clear.... comment out everything from /e/n/interfaces except the lo stuff yes? |
| 21:27.55 | jhutchins_lt | yes. |
| 21:28.14 | MoonTiger | ok cool thanks .... maybe that could be added to the wiki to make it extra clear? for ppl like me? |
| 21:28.16 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 21:28.30 | jhutchins_lt | Which wiki were you on? |
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| 21:28.48 | MoonTiger | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 21:29.03 | jhutchins_lt | For me I have an "allow-hotplug" entry for wired in interfaces, and use network manager for wifi. |
| 21:29.26 | MoonTiger | hmmmmmm |
| 21:29.31 | MoonTiger | that sounds good |
| 21:29.48 | MoonTiger | how can one edit the wiki? |
| 21:29.54 | MoonTiger | i think some examples would help |
| 21:30.23 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#NetworkManager_in_Squeeze is clear to me about it. |
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| 21:31.31 | MoonTiger | really?? |
| 21:31.45 | MoonTiger | i must be a bit dorf than |
| 21:32.13 | MoonTiger | i mean guys you might not believe it but im really not a n00b .... i have been using debian for 7yrs or more and a year of arch |
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| 21:32.21 | MoonTiger | and i write software for linux etc |
| 21:32.40 | MoonTiger | so im not a complete twit .... maybe its one of those things that if you know it the wiki makes sense |
| 21:32.50 | MoonTiger | shrugs |
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| 21:33.51 | MoonTiger | and the only reason i was there on that page to begin with was networkmanager didnt work from a clean install |
| 21:34.27 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: That's ok, I'm an admin. I can't code, but I can do this stuff in my sleep. |
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| 21:35.03 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: /msg dselect wifi has some useful links (including, I think, how to manage wifi from ../interfaces. |
| 21:35.16 | MoonTiger | jhutchins, thnx i will investigate |
| 21:35.49 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: Yeah, I know about the kind of documentation that makes perfect sense - IF you already know what to do. |
| 21:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: Very hard to track that stuff down and fix it. |
| 21:36.09 | MoonTiger | jhutchins, i used to think i was kinda good enough to be a sort of admin but now i know im not anywhere near that |
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| 21:36.32 | MoonTiger | thnx a lot for the help :) |
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| 21:36.52 | jhutchins_lt | Very few people are both good coders and good admins. It's a different mindset. |
| 21:36.58 | MoonTiger | totally |
| 21:37.23 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: Some people prefer wicd for wifi management; it didn't see my network card at all. |
| 21:37.56 | MoonTiger | jhutchins, i would use wicd but it doesnt do vpn or mobile very well |
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| 21:39.26 | jhutchins_lt | I prefer network-manager myself. |
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| 21:45.58 | Ras_serveur | hi |
| 21:46.33 | Ras_serveur | I had sound on my computer, I rebooted, I don't have sound now, and I didn't touch anything related to that, I think |
| 21:46.54 | Ras_serveur | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0; speaker-test -t wav -c2 - |
| 21:46.54 | Ras_serveur | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.05 | nkuttler | Ras_serveur: define doesn't work |
| 21:47.46 | MoonTiger | jhutchins, you still around? |
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| 21:48.14 | Ras_serveur | don't have anything on my hearphones |
| 21:48.22 | eldowan | Ras_serveur: does alsamixer show any channels muted? |
| 21:48.30 | Ras_serveur | before i reboot (10mn ago) i was listening to some music via vlc |
| 21:48.42 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: Sometimes. |
| 21:49.02 | jhutchins_lt | Ras_serveur: What did you do that you don't think was related? |
| 21:49.13 | Ras_serveur | nope !^ |
| 21:49.28 | Ras_serveur | i didn't do anything that was related to that |
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| 21:49.47 | jhutchins_lt | Ras_serveur: I'm asking what you did that was NOT related. |
| 21:49.48 | MoonTiger | jhutchins_lt, so i have removed everything from /e/n/interfaces except the lo stuff ... i rebooted after installing xfce4 and gdm ... i log in ... i have no network |
| 21:49.51 | MoonTiger | *sigh* |
| 21:50.11 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: Do you have network-manager and an appropriate applet? |
| 21:50.23 | MoonTiger | is the applet essential for it to work? |
| 21:50.56 | Ras_serveur | jhujhiti, i'm installing lamp |
| 21:51.07 | jhutchins_lt | No, but to be able to configure and manage interfaces it's pretty essential. aptitude search network-manager. |
| 21:51.25 | MoonTiger | jhutchins_lt, right except i have no network now :| |
| 21:51.31 | MoonTiger | sighs again |
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| 21:51.53 | MoonTiger | ok i can connect manually |
| 21:51.54 | MoonTiger | for now |
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| 21:54.56 | jhutchins_lt | Ras_serveur: Well, you're right, that shouldn't have affected sound. Have you run through the alsa checklist? |
| 21:55.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ras_serveur: Unless something got updated incidentally... |
| 21:55.25 | jhutchins_lt | Ras_serveur: What release, what arch? |
| 21:55.36 | Ras_serveur | last squeeze |
| 21:55.50 | Ras_serveur | oh I did a safe-uptade for 3 paquet also |
| 21:55.52 | Ras_serveur | i forgot |
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| 21:56.15 | Ras_serveur | can't remember wich one :\ |
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| 22:06.02 | jhutchins_lt | Unfortunately I think logging is disabled by default. |
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| 22:07.30 | Ras_serveur | jhutchins, any idea ? anything that could help me ? |
| 22:08.13 | jhutchins_lt | Ras_serveur: /msg dselect alsa checklist |
| 22:08.32 | MoonTiger | wow that wa spainful |
| 22:08.46 | MoonTiger | but it is now downloading gnome network manager applet |
| 22:09.31 | boudiccas | MoonTiger; if it was painful, try the missionary position next time :) |
| 22:09.40 | MoonTiger | hahaha |
| 22:11.50 | Ras_serveur | already done everything jhutchins |
| 22:12.11 | MoonTiger | christ! network-manager-gnome pulls in a lot of other stuff |
| 22:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ras_serveur: Does the mixer show the sound card? |
| 22:12.31 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: Yeah, well, gnome. |
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| 22:12.45 | jhutchins_lt | MoonTiger: I'm sure the kde one pulls a lot of KDE too. |
| 22:13.16 | MoonTiger | yeah |
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| 22:13.32 | MoonTiger | i really like wicd for that but like i said ... it doesnt do the good stuff i need |
| 22:13.44 | Ras_serveur | yep jhutchins |
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| 22:15.13 | MoonTiger | comments out the "auto" line after waiting a minute for the timeout at boot *sigh* |
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| 22:16.18 | MoonTiger | it seems that GDM is reqd for nm to work properly |
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| 22:17.34 | Ras_serveur | yep |
| 22:17.38 | Ras_serveur | connection problem :p |
| 22:17.44 | Ras_serveur | so jhutchins , any idea ? |
| 22:18.28 | jhutchins_lt | Ras_serveur: Not really. I mean, check the mixer settings. |
| 22:18.57 | stew | MoonTiger: gdm is certainly not required for nm |
| 22:19.29 | MoonTiger | stew, it wouldnt work without gdm ... i tried for hours |
| 22:19.40 | MoonTiger | i think it has to doo with pol kit or something |
| 22:19.44 | subuser | i'm looking at this page at http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lpic1-v3-102-3/ and he's talking about /sbin/sln being included on some versions of linux to protect against ln's broken library vulnerability (cause the /sbin/sln is statically linked), and he says debian doesn't have that 'preventative measure' on it, why is that? |
| 22:19.46 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Nonetheless, it installs. |
| 22:19.54 | subuser | i noticed one bug report on wishlist from gooogle |
| 22:20.57 | Ras_serveur | i already checked everything jhutchins, it seems ok |
| 22:21.10 | stew | MoonTiger: one doesn't need any x related packages at all for nm to work |
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| 22:21.40 | MoonTiger | stew, i wish you had been here earlier to help me then cos i just spent an entire day trying to get it to work without |
| 22:21.54 | stew | MoonTiger: if you remove gdm does it stop working? |
| 22:22.52 | MoonTiger | stew, you know i just got a working desktop after 2 days .... i *really* don't feel like testing that right now .... sorry :/ |
| 22:23.11 | stew | MoonTiger: if you think there is a bug in debian, lets get it reported |
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| 22:24.27 | MoonTiger | stew, well i did a net install of wheezy ... added xfce4 ... slim for login ... no way nm would work |
| 22:24.41 | MoonTiger | i re-installed clean today ... this time *with* gdm |
| 22:24.45 | MoonTiger | now nm works fine |
| 22:24.57 | stew | that's hardly a sign that gdm is the difference |
| 22:24.59 | MoonTiger | it would work yesterday but would not connect to anything .... just nothing happened |
| 22:25.09 | MoonTiger | i think its the console-kit thing |
| 22:25.16 | MoonTiger | gdm brings that into the sessions |
| 22:25.19 | MoonTiger | slim doesnt |
| 22:25.37 | stew | MoonTiger: so you don't think that gdm is required? |
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| 22:25.59 | MoonTiger | well stew define "reqd" |
| 22:26.05 | MoonTiger | reqd to install? no |
| 22:26.10 | MoonTiger | reqd to work? yes |
| 22:26.24 | stew | you believe that there is no way to get network manager working without installing gdm? |
| 22:26.53 | MoonTiger | i couldnt find one after a day of trying and i have used debian for a number of years |
| 22:27.06 | MoonTiger | im no ninja with sys admin but im no n00b either |
| 22:27.09 | stew | MoonTiger: did you check the bts? |
| 22:27.18 | MoonTiger | bts? |
| 22:28.04 | stew | %bts |
| 22:28.04 | dselect | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 22:28.06 | MoonTiger | i do have a few minor bugs to report tho |
| 22:28.11 | MoonTiger | ahhh |
| 22:28.13 | MoonTiger | sorry |
| 22:28.19 | MoonTiger | no but i will be adding some to it |
| 22:28.21 | MoonTiger | :) |
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| 22:30.07 | MoonTiger | stew, synaptic isn't very loved these days is it? |
| 22:30.15 | themill | MoonTiger: please try to be constructive in your bug reports and provide enough information for people to be able to reproduce them. One of the reasons you've got comparatively little attention here is that you give the impression that you just want to do a lot of complaining without anyone really being able to figure out what's wrong. (and "It doesn't work" is not specific and helpful) |
| 22:30.44 | stew | MoonTiger: i don't know |
| 22:30.49 | MoonTiger | themill, sorry .... i dod not mean to come across that way :( |
| 22:31.24 | themill | MoonTiger: sure. And if you've found broken stuff, please do report bugs that are as specific and have as much detail as possible |
| 22:31.41 | MoonTiger | themill, i will for sure |
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| 22:32.13 | NuclearMeltdown | What's the pastebin program for debian? |
| 22:32.56 | themill | %pastebinit |
| 22:32.57 | dselect | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 22:33.24 | NuclearMeltdown | thanks |
| 22:33.34 | klur | I mean... there are loads of command line programs (especially *NIX ones) that can be halted pressing ctrl + c. I am just wondering when it is save to do it... ? |
| 22:33.54 | NuclearMeltdown | why wouldn't it be safe? |
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| 22:35.11 | klur | because some system stuff could get broken... |
| 22:35.26 | MoonTiger | stew, also the shutdown / reboot buttons are now enabled with gdm whereas with slim they were greyed out |
| 22:35.29 | MoonTiger | things like that |
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| 22:37.22 | stew | MoonTiger: which buttons are you talking about exactly? |
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| 22:37.41 | MoonTiger | stew, when you do "logout" from the menu |
| 22:37.47 | MoonTiger | the dialog that appears |
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| 22:38.07 | MoonTiger | without gdm there are only 3 buttons and the reboot / shutdown are disabled |
| 22:38.30 | stew | MoonTiger: and if you switch to slim now, are they still disabled? |
| 22:38.55 | MoonTiger | stew, i was going to try that next |
| 22:38.56 | MoonTiger | :) |
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| 22:41.15 | MoonTiger | stew, nm fails to work again |
| 22:41.34 | MoonTiger | logout has only 3 buttons and 2 are disabled |
| 22:41.38 | MoonTiger | same as before |
| 22:42.30 | MoonTiger | how do i set gdm as default again? |
| 22:42.43 | MoonTiger | ok got it |
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| 22:42.45 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 22:42.59 | palya | What to install for the newest python under debian ?? |
| 22:43.02 | palya | package name? |
| 22:43.11 | themill | palya: what are you actually looking for? |
| 22:43.49 | palya | themill: minimum Python 2.6.5 , but could also be newest stable |
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| 22:44.19 | themill | palya: python 2.6.6 is the default python in debian squeeze (stable). "aptitude install python". |
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| 22:46.09 | themill | %dbugs 614749 |
| 22:46.12 | dselect | #614749:I[slim] please include slim fix for consolekit support (); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:03:01 UTC [] |
| 22:46.23 | themill | MoonTiger: ^^ quite possibly what you've already been talking about. |
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| 22:47.01 | MoonTiger | themill, yes ... i think it's a console-kit / policy-kit issue .... the arch guys say that is the problem there at least |
| 22:47.12 | MoonTiger | slim doesn't init the session properly |
| 22:47.44 | themill | in its default configuration, and given that slim is supposed to be a lightweight dm, that's probably a reasonable default, tbf |
| 22:48.19 | MoonTiger | themill, i tried all i knew to get slim working as i much prefer it but i couldnt and it basically made my DE unusable |
| 22:48.28 | MoonTiger | using GDM it all just works |
| 22:49.00 | themill | if you want a DE, then use a DE. that means gnome (or kde) and implies using a display manager with more features |
| 22:49.18 | MoonTiger | themill, xfce is a fine DE |
| 22:49.48 | themill | if you want "lightweight" then that's what you get... |
| 22:50.44 | MoonTiger | themill, i don't agree with your definition of DE but no matter .... it's all good now |
| 22:50.45 | MoonTiger | :) |
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| 22:54.42 | peterrooney | themill: enlightenment doesn't count as a DE? |
| 22:56.45 | themill | *shrug* I don't care what definitions you want... I just don't think that you get to prance around claiming how wonderful your lightweight DM is, whinging about how "heavy" some other DM is and then complain that the "heavy" one has (*horror*) more features. |
| 22:57.02 | MoonTiger | themill, if i had done that i would agree |
| 22:57.14 | themill | %lightweight |
| 22:57.14 | dselect | <mjg59> To a first approximation, when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I don't understand the problems that the alternative solves". (http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html) |
| 22:57.26 | MoonTiger | i thought the point of linux was freedom to choose not be told what is and isn't valid |
| 22:57.48 | themill | sure, choose that one. and choose to configure it correctly. |
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| 22:57.57 | MoonTiger | your approach doesn't work for me so i say thank you but no thanks |
| 22:58.10 | MoonTiger | thats what i was asking help for |
| 22:58.22 | MoonTiger | but "help" isn't "use a different DE" |
| 22:58.29 | MoonTiger | not in my book anyways |
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| 22:58.55 | themill | if you want bells and whistles by default, then use gdm; if you don't then follow the configuration options that are available for you to enable what you want. |
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| 22:59.54 | subuser | qiot |
| 23:01.32 | MoonTiger | themill, lets leave this one eh? :) |
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| 23:08.19 | godofmischief | anyone in here running boxee on 11.04? |
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| 23:09.13 | Alnada_Rigel | how does one install gstreamer plugins 32-bit on a 64-bit system? |
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| 23:13.01 | handheldcar | Anybody know how to enable APNGs in WebKit browsers? |
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| 23:22.54 | rhineheart_m | I have this issue.. after changing dhcp to static.. it says now "couldn't read interfaces file" |
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| 23:24.07 | stew | rhineheart_m: can you show us your interfaces file in a pastebin? |
| 23:24.12 | rhineheart_m | "/etc/network/interfaces:2: misplaced option ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"" |
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| 23:27.40 | rhineheart_m | http://pastebin.com/KA2Mb5ME |
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| 23:29.20 | babilen | godofmischief: You want #ubuntu probably |
| 23:29.59 | rhineheart_m | stew: http://pastebin.com/KA2Mb5ME |
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| 23:37.02 | boudiccas | godofmischief; no, because we're all running debian and not ubuntu like you |
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| 23:39.03 | MoonTiger | boudiccas, lol |
| 23:39.46 | centHOGG | debian police |
| 23:43.18 | boudiccas | well, i mean to say! asking about 11.04 which is obviously ubuntu as debian is only up to 6.02! |
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| 23:45.34 | zykotick9_ | Any suggestions why my Gnome Trash doesn't currently empty? ~/.local/share/Trash doesn't seem to have any content, 4.0K for expunged, files, and info. Icon on desktop shows contents, and right clicking / Empty Trash seems to have no effect - and can be repeatedly selected. I realize it's a trivial issue. |
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| 23:46.19 | boudiccas | zykotick9_; can you open the trash can, to see whats in it? |
| 23:46.30 | zykotick9_ | boudiccas, nothing? |
| 23:46.55 | zykotick9_ | the "Empty Trash" button in there doesn't seem to do anything either. |
| 23:46.55 | boudiccas | zykotick9_; well if theres nothing in it then of course you cant empty it! |
| 23:46.57 | MoonTiger | zykotick9_, have you.... rebooted? |
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| 23:47.09 | zykotick9_ | MoonTiger, no ;) |
| 23:47.18 | MoonTiger | lol |
| 23:47.19 | abrotman | shouldn't have to |
| 23:47.22 | zykotick9_ | MoonTiger, is this Windows ;) |
| 23:47.24 | MoonTiger | sometimes it worked for me on xfce |
| 23:47.28 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 23:47.44 | boudiccas | sometimes all you need to do is to log off and then log back on again |
| 23:47.49 | MoonTiger | that too |
| 23:48.00 | boudiccas | without the reboot in between |
| 23:48.20 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 23:48.26 | zykotick9_ | boudiccas, i will "stoop" to the log out / log in level. I'll be back |
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| 23:48.35 | boudiccas | lol |
| 23:48.45 | MoonTiger | shuffles off into the corner in shame |
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| 23:51.35 | zykotick9 | ya, logout/login and icon is showing empty again, as well the "Empty Trash" option is no longer available. |
| 23:51.42 | LordVorp | I have M$ DHCP, and i'm trying to set the client hostname in the static reservation, but it doesn't seem to be taking. is there some special nudging I can do with dhclient.conf to force it to accept the server's supplied hostname? |
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| 23:52.18 | MoonTiger | grins |
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| 23:53.39 | seanc- | I'm mystified by something I'm seeing on Debian Squeeze re: xen. I have a dom0/domU running but I'm not seeing any of the misc sysctl's or /proc entries and I'm not sure what step I missed or how I'm supposed to enable them. Any pointers? |
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| 23:58.37 | tehrabbitt | hey everyone... i'm still having a few issues trying to get the ATI driver working with debian :-\ |
| 23:58.51 | tehrabbitt | it's saying i need to disable xrandr however I can't figure out how to disable it |