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| 00:01.48 | tehrabbitt | anyone here? |
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| 00:03.00 | centHOGG | h |
| 00:03.03 | centHOGG | what's your DE |
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| 00:04.57 | tehrabbitt | centHOGG, DE? |
| 00:05.04 | centHOGG | desktop environment |
| 00:05.08 | tehrabbitt | Ah, KDE |
| 00:05.23 | centHOGG | idk KDE, just gnome mainly |
| 00:05.28 | tehrabbitt | Ah :-\ |
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| 00:06.58 | tehrabbitt | yea, idk, i downloaded the ATI driver, and now no matter what I try to do, I can't get xrandr to be disabled |
| 00:07.09 | centHOGG | have you ever loaded up the ATI driver before successfully? |
| 00:07.09 | tehrabbitt | centHOGG, how would you disable it in gnome? maybe it's the same? |
| 00:07.15 | tehrabbitt | centHOGG, No this is the first time |
| 00:07.21 | tehrabbitt | fresh install |
| 00:07.24 | centHOGG | ah, gnome doesn't use xrandr |
| 00:07.28 | tehrabbitt | Oh |
| 00:07.45 | centHOGG | all the times I loaded the 3rd party drivers it was with gnome |
| 00:07.54 | centHOGG | does it matter? |
| 00:07.56 | tehrabbitt | i've looked all over google, and everyone constantly says "you can't disable it" etc and i'm like WTF |
| 00:08.09 | tehrabbitt | well if I don't use the 3rd party drivers, I can't use my 2nd monitor AT ALL |
| 00:08.19 | centHOGG | yeah welcome to linux |
| 00:08.24 | tehrabbitt | yea, :-\ |
| 00:08.34 | centHOGG | linux is really for servers IMHO |
| 00:08.38 | tehrabbitt | if I use the 3rd party driver, no issues having dual screens |
| 00:08.43 | centHOGG | it kicks ass there |
| 00:08.52 | tehrabbitt | centHOGG, Eh i use it on my laptops as well, never had an issue ;) |
| 00:09.03 | tehrabbitt | it just really doesn't like me using this 3rd party driver |
| 00:09.46 | tehrabbitt | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1653934 |
| 00:09.50 | tehrabbitt | thats pretty much all I find |
| 00:10.32 | centHOGG | are you averse to using gnome? |
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| 00:11.04 | tehrabbitt | and i've tried everything on here as well: http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=310&threadid=110989 |
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| 00:11.14 | tehrabbitt | centHOGG, I've just never really liked gnome TBH |
| 00:11.41 | tehrabbitt | centHOGG, Does gnome support it you think? |
| 00:11.58 | centHOGG | yeah all those threads get pretty thick.... i think gnome might support it |
| 00:12.19 | centHOGG | also u-b-u-n-t- you fill in the rest |
| 00:12.23 | tehrabbitt | :-\ so just apt-get remove kde, apt-get install gnome? Heh |
| 00:12.48 | tehrabbitt | centHOGG, Ubuntu has the same issue.... so that's not an option, plus I dislike ubuntu for various reasons |
| 00:13.25 | tehrabbitt | I guess it's time to give gnome a try :-\ lol |
| 00:13.33 | centHOGG | :) |
| 00:13.33 | tehrabbitt | unless there's another DE other than KDE and Gnome |
| 00:13.56 | daemonkeeper | ... xfce? |
| 00:14.02 | tehrabbitt | honestly, the main reason I dislike gnome.... is it reminds me of MacOS 9 |
| 00:14.03 | centHOGG | lots of DE's, when you said XandXr (whateever) I thought you might be using lxde or xfce |
| 00:14.07 | tehrabbitt | lol oh |
| 00:14.08 | centHOGG | heh |
| 00:14.31 | tehrabbitt | I just wish you could make gnome look less like MacOS9 and more like idk, something else 0_o |
| 00:14.53 | tehrabbitt | the bar on top / bottom, all white, with the little drop down in the top left.... it's just, so apple |
| 00:14.55 | daemonkeeper | Well, try Gnome 3 and you will miss the "MacOS 9" look. |
| 00:14.59 | tehrabbitt | hm |
| 00:15.10 | tehrabbitt | daemonkeeper, Gnome 3 part of apt? |
| 00:15.14 | tehrabbitt | or am I getting source... |
| 00:15.18 | daemonkeeper | Not in Stable. |
| 00:15.23 | tehrabbitt | wheezy? |
| 00:15.30 | daemonkeeper | dselect: gnome3 |
| 00:15.31 | dselect | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 00:15.41 | tehrabbitt | .. :( |
| 00:15.42 | qop | Hey, if I want to 'dd of=' to three different drives at once (same if=), would it be convenient to just run three dd processes at once? I don't think so since it would be reading the same date 3 times. How can I ask dd to output to three different drives at once? multiple of='s would work? |
| 00:15.55 | tehrabbitt | daemonkeeper, So basically next spring... |
| 00:15.56 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 00:16.11 | daemonkeeper | tehrabbitt: Ehm, you should expect Wheezy not before December |
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| 00:16.17 | daemonkeeper | Next year that is. |
| 00:16.26 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 00:16.51 | tehrabbitt | daemonkeeper, So basically i'm *stuck* with gnome2 if I want to have dual screens... |
| 00:17.02 | ChibaPet | Hey all. I'm trying to put together a decent environment for running a netbook in console mode. Can someone recommend a power management tool I can use from the command line, and possible a screen-locker? |
| 00:17.02 | tehrabbitt | since I can't find any way to disable this stupid xrandr |
| 00:17.05 | centHOGG | heh |
| 00:17.14 | centHOGG | linux for the desktop... hilarious (to me) |
| 00:17.38 | daemonkeeper | Well, I'm fine with a dual screen setup and KDE. However that's more a X.org configuration thing, than a desktop issue. |
| 00:17.41 | tehrabbitt | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.... I keep trying to drag my browser window to my 2nd screen, then i keep realizing... ITS MIRRORED.... |
| 00:17.56 | tehrabbitt | daemon, how did you get dualscreens working in kde then? |
| 00:18.10 | daemonkeeper | Works out of the box if you configure your X properly. |
| 00:18.19 | ChibaPet | No one uses a console here. Admit it. X all over. |
| 00:18.21 | tehrabbitt | one screen is DVI, the other is VGA... |
| 00:18.21 | daemonkeeper | I doubt, this is different for Gnome. |
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| 00:18.38 | tehrabbitt | daemonkeeper, I was never given "setup options' for X.... it just auto-setup |
| 00:18.48 | daemonkeeper | Well, there you go. |
| 00:18.55 | tehrabbitt | and when i try to go to "screen properties" I cannot select the VGA monitor |
| 00:18.57 | tehrabbitt | only the DVI monitor |
| 00:19.07 | ChibaPet | I guess I'll use screen(1). |
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| 00:19.10 | tehrabbitt | and when I go to "Multiple MOnitors" it says: "This system does not support multiple monitors" |
| 00:19.25 | ChibaPet | Now I just need to find power management. |
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| 00:20.01 | daemonkeeper | I have no clue about your management GUIs. This can be certainly configured in your xorg.conf, if you use the nvidia driver even by some clicking. |
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| 00:21.24 | Lenin_Cat | For some reason my laptop thinks my input audio port is my output audio port and the reverse for my output |
| 00:21.48 | tehrabbitt | daemonkeeper, I am also trying to use the OpenCL capabilities of my GPU which I can' tdo unless i'm using the ATI driver... :-\ |
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| 00:22.43 | daemonkeeper | tehrabbitt: Well, basically because OpenCL requires full hardware support (obviously) |
| 00:23.15 | tehrabbitt | daemon, Correct, and the actual ATI driver too, so I can't use the nvidia one |
| 00:23.31 | tehrabbitt | closest i've been able to find to how to fix my problem but it doesn't work: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1164888 |
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| 00:23.39 | daemonkeeper | ehm, why would you use the Nvidia drivers for ATI cards? |
| 00:23.56 | sm1 | tehrabbitt: hey :) ,would this help! http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/ |
| 00:24.03 | centHOGG | daemonkeeper: its a well-kept secret |
| 00:24.57 | tehrabbitt | sm1, Yes, for the exception it keeps xrandr running, which prevents the fglrx driver from operating properly... which means no OpenCL |
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| 00:27.34 | perberos | hello world |
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| 00:28.25 | sm1 | tehrabbitt: Man! |
| 00:28.43 | tehrabbitt | yep :( |
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| 00:28.53 | tehrabbitt | and now apparently, ATI claims "Debian" is not a valid distro... |
| 00:28.55 | tehrabbitt | X_X |
| 00:28.57 | daemonkeeper | s/world/1,76e-07 part of the world/ |
| 00:28.59 | tehrabbitt | it's like WTF |
| 00:29.00 | tehrabbitt | yet it's listed |
| 00:29.27 | centHOGG | ATI is usually a limited choice for linux |
| 00:29.35 | centHOGG | nvidia on the other hand |
| 00:29.42 | daemonkeeper | ... is evil. |
| 00:29.43 | sm1 | i just havnen't found anything related to your issue on the wiki , or is there something regarding monitors ! |
| 00:30.07 | sm1 | lol |
| 00:30.08 | centHOGG | vidpau works :) |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | centHOGG: they are both limited |
| 00:30.32 | daemonkeeper | nvidia drivers are closed source, invasive and non-free. |
| 00:30.44 | centHOGG | abrotman: yeah considering |
| 00:30.45 | abrotman | at least ATI has released some specs |
| 00:30.46 | daemonkeeper | They work, granted this. |
| 00:30.50 | sm1 | tehrabbitt: where is that claims mentioned! |
| 00:30.58 | tehrabbitt | Error: Distro Version entered incorrectly or not supported, use --listpkg to identify valid distro versions |
| 00:31.00 | abrotman | nvidia has helped the OSS community .. zero? |
| 00:31.10 | tehrabbitt | Generating package: Debian/stable |
| 00:31.10 | centHOGG | i have xbmc linux htpc... it's nvidia and it works nice |
| 00:31.10 | tehrabbitt | ./packages/Debian/ati-packager.sh: 177: dpkg-architecture: not found |
| 00:31.12 | daemonkeeper | Less than zero actually. |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: it's dpkg --print-architecture now |
| 00:31.37 | tehrabbitt | abrotman, Tell ATI since it's their protected install script X_X |
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| 00:31.48 | abrotman | protected how? |
| 00:32.00 | tehrabbitt | haven't tried opening it yet, but it's a .run file |
| 00:32.12 | daemonkeeper | Why do you install with the ATI script? |
| 00:32.17 | daemonkeeper | dselect: fglrx |
| 00:32.17 | dselect | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:32.21 | tehrabbitt | daemonkeeper, Only way you can open it |
| 00:32.45 | tehrabbitt | you need the *latest* ATI driver from ATI to take advantage of OpenCL |
| 00:32.51 | daemonkeeper | I see. |
| 00:33.01 | qop | G |
| 00:33.02 | tehrabbitt | which is several versions ahead of the one that comes WITH X11 |
| 00:33.29 | daemonkeeper | Well, fglrx is a Debian package as well. |
| 00:33.45 | daemonkeeper | However, if you need the most recent one this won't help you for now. |
| 00:34.09 | tehrabbitt | exactly :( |
| 00:34.57 | daemonkeeper | By the way, a "run" file is usually a Loki installer script. That's a self-extracting shell script with embedded tarball archives. |
| 00:35.10 | daemonkeeper | You can probably just extract it. |
| 00:35.52 | tehrabbitt | the other reason I need to use the ATI driver is due to HDMI Audio support |
| 00:35.52 | tehrabbitt | :-\ |
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| 00:35.53 | tehrabbitt | Heh |
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| 00:38.28 | centHOGG | good luck with that buddy |
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| 00:40.33 | queso | If I cat /proc/partitions and it includes dm-0 and dm-1, what are those? logical volumes? (I am using lvm) |
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| 00:43.52 | qop | uhm, is there some way to see if any ip is listenning to port 9000 in the network? |
| 00:44.07 | centHOGG | namp |
| 00:44.09 | centHOGG | nmap |
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| 00:44.31 | qop | centHOGG: do you know how with nmap? |
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| 00:44.57 | seanc- | qop: nmap -p 9000 192.168.100.0/24 |
| 00:45.09 | centHOGG | i use $nmap -sT localhost (or whatever) but you can google the rest |
| 00:45.10 | seanc- | qop: or something similar. Anyone using Xen on squeeze yet? |
| 00:45.14 | qop | seanc-: ah ty :) |
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| 00:51.42 | Lenin_Cat | how do I force 1080x768 resolution? |
| 00:52.20 | Alnada_Rigel | Lenin_Cat, do it in your xorg.conf |
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| 01:03.35 | tehrabbitt | ok, so i've made SOME progress |
| 01:03.47 | tehrabbitt | I now have both monitors enabled... but now both have their "own" desktop... |
| 01:04.06 | tehrabbitt | the 2nd monitor, can't have windows dragged to it... yet my mouse can go over there |
| 01:04.08 | tehrabbitt | 0_o |
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| 01:05.48 | tehrabbitt | if I post my xorg.conf, would someone mind taking a look and seeing if they know why it's acting this way? :-\ |
| 01:06.19 | tehrabbitt | http://pastebin.com/BeN0YyN5 |
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| 01:09.44 | plovs | trying to do: rsync -av AA/ BB/; rsync -av --link-dest=BB/ AA/ CC Shouldn't CC now contain hardlinks to the files in BB? |
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| 01:15.03 | tehrabbitt | plovs, me? |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: how does what he said relate to your stuff ? |
| 01:15.33 | plovs | can't get rsync to make hardlinks |
| 01:15.40 | tehrabbitt | abrotman, thats why i was like "huH" |
| 01:15.41 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 01:16.14 | plovs | tehrabbitt: it had nothing to do with anything you might have said |
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| 01:21.13 | Walhter | hi |
| 01:21.29 | centHOGG | h |
| 01:21.42 | Walhter | nvidia-glx is broken in testing |
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| 01:34.16 | spersaud | !flash |
| 01:34.37 | dvs | hides his eyes |
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| 01:37.33 | Black_Prince | dselect adobe flash |
| 01:37.33 | dselect | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
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| 01:39.34 | spersaud | kk |
| 01:39.45 | spersaud | whats the name of the package to install flash 64 bit ? |
| 01:40.18 | dvs | dselect tell spersaud about flash amd64 |
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| 01:41.07 | babilen | spersaud: The package is (as pointed out by dselect earlier) "flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 01:49.07 | nsadmin | I have an esata drive connected to my laptop, works fine... but once I umount and vgchange n, how do I safe disconnect the esata so I could conceivably pull the cable and later reconnect and have it work? |
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| 01:50.59 | xindz | Guys are "Not cloning cgroup for unused subsystem ns" something to worry about? |
| 01:51.17 | xindz | Got that "error" all over my /var/log/messages file |
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| 01:53.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any way to get software-center to work with a trivial repository?I have an offline machine with the full DVD repository set. I copied the pool folders from each DVD and used dpkg-scanpackages to make a packages.gz file. So I turned it into a trivial repository. But software-center refuses to install anything from it. It says that the packages are untrusted. How can I get this to work? |
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| 01:54.40 | smugglerinc | Is there something that would prevent my shutdown dialog box from loading correctly? |
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| 01:56.52 | nsadmin | doesn't like hypotheticals when more info than is said is available |
| 01:56.59 | nsadmin | so |
| 01:57.18 | nsadmin | is your dialog box not loading correctly? |
| 02:00.55 | nsadmin | smugglerinc, so you're not responding, so I'm limiting my availability so that I don't have to watch for your reply every second, since I do have a life... |
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| 02:05.59 | smugglerinc | nsadmin: Sorry, it was in a different tab, a couple weeks ago it started not loading at all unless I disabled the desktop icons. Now it is only loading the cancel button in the dialog. |
| 02:07.07 | tehrabbitt | got the ATI driver loaded, but I can't seem to get my left screen to actually let me drag windows over to it :-\ i'm installing gnome now to see if it has any difference |
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| 02:08.00 | BioHazard9907 | how can I tell apt to ignore package dependencies? |
| 02:08.14 | centHOGG | and have the prog work? |
| 02:08.44 | BioHazard9907 | centHOGG: I want to remove gnome-components but not pull the rest of gnome with it |
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| 02:08.59 | centHOGG | that's a good one, i've never had any luck |
| 02:09.27 | BioHazard9907 | centHOGG: ..there is a way to tell apt to ignore depends and such... |
| 02:09.46 | smugglerinc | Ah. You might have better luck removing it entirely and then compiling and installing the one from the gnome site. |
| 02:10.20 | BioHazard9907 | smugglerinc: well not gnome actual components.. I'm talking pieces of the gnome desktop environment, not gnome itself |
| 02:10.33 | BioHazard9907 | smugglerinc: things like eipiphany and such |
| 02:11.55 | zykotick9 | BioHazard9907, it's probably easier if you just leave them and remove from menu. You could start from a netinstall type environment and install gnome-session and add what you want, I personally use gnome-desktop-environment as my base (keeps the mono stuff out). Good luck. |
| 02:12.17 | smugglerinc | BioHazard9907: Yea, I believe that everything else is brought in via what is included in a meta package, |
| 02:12.44 | BioHazard9907 | smugglerinc: yes, and by removing components of the metapackage everything else pulled in by it gets removed too... |
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| 02:12.57 | BioHazard9907 | isn't there just a way to tell apt "ignore dependencies"? |
| 02:13.06 | BioHazard9907 | I've seen it done before... |
| 02:13.33 | smugglerinc | Yes. I was suggesting that you remove _Everything_ and installing the package that is not in the apt repo. |
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| 02:14.25 | smugglerinc | zykotick9 has a point though. It might just be easier to remove the references from the menu. |
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| 02:17.58 | MrFrood | BioHazard9907: you need to mark auto installed packages as manually installed |
| 02:18.09 | MrFrood | iirc |
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| 02:20.21 | BioHazard9907 | MrFrood: I tried that, but it didn't work... |
| 02:20.33 | BioHazard9907 | MrFrood: It appears that dpkg --force-all -r foo bar, etc... works |
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| 02:27.26 | PythonSnake | Hi |
| 02:28.03 | smugglerinc | Howdy |
| 02:28.16 | PythonSnake | I just installed debian from netinst and apt-get install gnome, now when the output of xrandr is "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default ". Someone can help me please ? |
| 02:28.39 | abrotman | how did you install xorg? |
| 02:29.05 | PythonSnake | apt-get install xorg-window-system-core |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | PythonSnake: try 'xorg' not the one you used |
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| 02:30.28 | PythonSnake | install xorg ? |
| 02:30.39 | PythonSnake | xorg is already the newest version. |
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| 02:32.27 | nsadmin | PythonSnake, you should consider aptitude... that should read "already the newest version available for your version of debian" |
| 02:32.42 | t3a | When I turned on my computer I was shown a green screen and when I logged in none of the icon images loaded and neither did the toolbar. Is there any way to fix this? |
| 02:32.50 | nsadmin | and considering backports and whatnot, that may or may not be true still |
| 02:33.18 | nsadmin | the green screen of jellybean |
| 02:33.40 | t3a | ? |
| 02:33.53 | centHOGG | so that is what it's called |
| 02:34.11 | PythonSnake | nsadmin: command ? i'm new, sorry |
| 02:34.41 | t3a | *googles green screen of jelly bean and hopes its not a joke* |
| 02:34.58 | nsadmin | I mean, if the screen is green and you're in the mood for a green mint jelly bean... that been could be a has-been... |
| 02:35.50 | nsadmin | t3a, the green screen is likely your grub boot menu |
| 02:36.26 | nsadmin | which is not relevent to your problem because you say you can log in which means grub booted your os |
| 02:36.55 | t3a | it has my username and password text boxes so i doubt it |
| 02:37.26 | nsadmin | do you see a graphical login screen? |
| 02:37.33 | t3a | yes |
| 02:37.39 | t3a | and i can login |
| 02:37.40 | nsadmin | your os booted. |
| 02:37.41 | abrotman | PythonSnake: aptitude install gnome xorg ? |
| 02:37.45 | t3a | but it is green |
| 02:37.51 | t3a | and nothings loading |
| 02:37.59 | PythonSnake | # aptitude install xorg No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
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| 02:38.22 | abrotman | that's not what i said ? |
| 02:39.40 | nsadmin | t3a, not quite enough info to tell what happened. does the login box disappear? |
| 02:40.03 | t3a | I can login and I see a login box |
| 02:40.14 | t3a | after logging in i can see my icons |
| 02:40.22 | t3a | but without pictures |
| 02:40.28 | t3a | and without a toolbar |
| 02:40.40 | t3a | or an underbar |
| 02:41.06 | t3a | let me take a photo |
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| 02:42.30 | nsadmin | so: os booted, x started, your *dm ran to take your login info. after that, you appear to be logged in, it seems like some icon or other image files are missing and could be instakked |
| 02:42.36 | nsadmin | installed |
| 02:43.18 | PythonSnake | installing |
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| 02:46.05 | t3a | nsadmin, http://oi54.tinypic.com/2im3ndc.jpg |
| 02:46.13 | Gm4n_ | is it possible for an iptables rule to notice a TCP packet with FIN/ACK and return an ACK? |
| 02:46.33 | PythonSnake | same error |
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| 02:47.23 | nsadmin | t3a, looks like you're logged in. the screen looks like a file manager and it seems to lack details |
| 02:47.28 | Some_Person | I just replaced the motherboard on my laptop, and I'm having a strange issue with the RAM |
| 02:48.21 | t3a | nsadmin, is there any way to connect to ethernet? because i can run stuff in usr/bin but i dont know the name of my network manager |
| 02:48.29 | Some_Person | I have 2 2GB sticks of RAM, but the machine will only post if one of the sticks is installed. It doesn't seem to matter which stick or which slot I use. If I have both installed, it freezes during the RAM check |
| 02:48.35 | t3a | also terminal |
| 02:48.53 | nsadmin | is this a laptop? |
| 02:48.59 | Some_Person | Yes |
| 02:49.15 | t3a | me? ns |
| 02:49.17 | t3a | *no |
| 02:49.40 | nsadmin | when you installed, did it pull packages from the cd or from the net? |
| 02:49.45 | PythonSnake | I get xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 02:49.47 | PythonSnake | now can i fix that |
| 02:49.51 | PythonSnake | oops |
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| 02:49.56 | PythonSnake | sorry for double message |
| 02:50.14 | nsadmin | no disguise for that double vision |
| 02:50.47 | nsadmin | t3a, when you installed, did it pull packages from the cd or from the net? |
| 02:50.59 | t3a | it isnt a fresh install |
| 02:51.12 | nsadmin | doesn't matter |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | PythonSnake: ati or nvidia? |
| 02:51.15 | t3a | but i used aptitude update then restarted |
| 02:51.20 | t3a | and then this |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | PythonSnake: did you create your own xorg.conf ? |
| 02:51.30 | t3a | i used a usb drive nsadmin |
| 02:51.36 | nsadmin | aptitude update doesn't install packages |
| 02:51.50 | PythonSnake | abrotman: intel |
| 02:52.06 | PythonSnake | abrotman: no I'm new to debian. |
| 02:52.14 | t3a | nsadmin, nope, it just *update*s them |
| 02:52.27 | nsadmin | ok, when you installed (from the usb drive), was your net configured? |
| 02:52.31 | nsadmin | no, it doesn't |
| 02:52.50 | nsadmin | it only pulls in -list- files of packages, just metadata |
| 02:53.22 | t3a | anyway |
| 02:53.42 | zykotick9 | t3a, "aptitude update" basically updates the database used to install packages, not the packages themselves |
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| 02:53.54 | t3a | yes, i could connect to the internet if thats what you mean |
| 02:54.12 | PythonSnake | abrotman: how can I do it ? |
| 02:54.21 | nsadmin | ok, so your network is configured, you could just plug in the eth wire |
| 02:54.42 | t3a | yes |
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| 02:55.15 | t3a | but i cant connect to the internet now, possibly because im not running my network manager |
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| 02:56.08 | nsadmin | do you need network manager? do you move the machine to different networks, and also use wireless? |
| 02:56.53 | nsadmin | or is the machine in a fixed position all the time, and you connect to your home net? |
| 02:57.02 | t3a | its fixed |
| 02:57.07 | t3a | its a desktop |
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| 02:57.37 | nsadmin | as you said. it -should- work |
| 02:59.30 | nsadmin | as root try: ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 |
| 02:59.42 | t3a | is there any documented green screen of death |
| 02:59.49 | t3a | how do i open terminal? |
| 03:00.04 | nsadmin | (but I'll note one obvious point right now... you are here somehow...) |
| 03:00.37 | t3a | i have more than one computer :s |
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| 03:02.06 | nsadmin | which also indicates you have access to at least one working net |
| 03:02.31 | t3a | yes? |
| 03:02.51 | abrotman | PythonSnake: i'd probably google a bit, i haven't seen that |
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| 03:03.05 | nsadmin | can you show the contents of its /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 03:03.17 | PythonSnake | abrotman: are you sure it uses xorg.conf, because Ubuntu dont |
| 03:03.44 | abrotman | PythonSnake: i was asking if you had created one |
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| 03:03.58 | goofy03 | hi |
| 03:04.32 | ScottG | I am trying to use xcompmgr and transset to get transparency on certain windows. However, when I start xcompmgr it makes all windows transparent and I can only make windows more transparent with transset. How can I use xcompmgr so it has all windows start completely opaque? |
| 03:04.47 | goofy03 | i upgrade to squeeze is it important if in a dig AUTHORITY SECTION dns have change order ? |
| 03:05.48 | nsadmin | no, not so important as long as the net is up |
| 03:06.12 | MrFrood | ScottG: iirc xcompmgr -n |
| 03:07.07 | goofy03 | nsadmin: it's ok then ? |
| 03:07.46 | nsadmin | goofy03, you're here on that machine, right? |
| 03:08.39 | goofy03 | it's a server i dont want have problem on the next "root" DNS update |
| 03:08.57 | goofy03 | but my bind zone is the same that before |
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| 03:11.13 | ScottG | MrFrood: No good. Same result |
| 03:11.14 | nsadmin | you're using bind? |
| 03:11.36 | MrFrood | ScottG: what WM? |
| 03:11.56 | ScottG | MrFrood: xmonad |
| 03:12.00 | LiSyMoTo | howto install game aisleriot solitaire on debian squeeze |
| 03:12.32 | goofy03 | nsadmin: yes |
| 03:13.28 | nsadmin | and this bind was probably updated? |
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| 03:14.20 | MrFrood | not tried that but here xcompmgr -n has everything normal unless explicitly made transparent (with openbox (also with dwm) - just use it for pretty transparrent urxvt's) |
| 03:15.59 | abrotman | dselect: tell LiSyMoTo about search |
| 03:16.02 | nsadmin | goofy03, I'd say, find out what file bind logs to, and view the logs... maybe watch the logs while you stop and start bind |
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| 03:16.39 | goofy03 | nsadmin: it's a problem then that the order change ? |
| 03:17.14 | nsadmin | didn't say that. I have shifted my viewpoint to what you're actually concerned about |
| 03:18.42 | nsadmin | which seems to be your name server |
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| 03:20.32 | nsadmin | now, why you are operating your own auth name server, I'm not sure... maybe you have a data center which is fully and well connected to deep backbones, static IPs for all your servers and a staff |
| 03:22.32 | nsadmin | if you don't at MINIMUM have a static ip, your name server cannot remain authoritative |
| 03:23.14 | goofy03 | nsadmin: no it's a webserver on an hosting plateform that i just upgrade to squeeze |
| 03:23.34 | nsadmin | so it's in a data center |
| 03:23.55 | nsadmin | and it does have a static ip |
| 03:24.57 | goofy03 | nsadmin: yes |
| 03:25.43 | goofy03 | nsadmin: it's secondary and first dns zich szitch in dig AUTHORITY SECTION |
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| 03:25.52 | goofy03 | witch switch |
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| 03:37.03 | hwq001 | is there any app for google plus in linux ? |
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| 03:39.52 | skilz | whats google plus? |
| 03:40.22 | hwq001 | plus.google.com |
| 03:40.35 | hwq001 | google 's social network site |
| 03:40.46 | sm1 | a new social service. |
| 03:41.12 | skilz | like google chat? |
| 03:41.22 | MrFrood | skilz: googles version of facebook but (pay attention hwq001 ) for the most part built on open standards so it should not need any special app |
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| 03:42.25 | nsadmin | goofy03, if you are concerned about your dns server, test it to make sure it is fully functional. |
| 03:43.06 | sm1 | right , that .. but still one need an invite to join , no! .. cause i had one but then it expired. |
| 03:43.15 | nsadmin | dig getting the order different is not an indication of anything |
| 03:43.19 | MrFrood | thinks that best social network service is to be found on port 79 ;) |
| 03:43.27 | hwq001 | sm1: I can invite u |
| 03:43.33 | hwq001 | give me yr email |
| 03:44.35 | sm1 | hwq001: ty , but am not sure if it'll give the option to accept the invite, last time it didn't. |
| 03:44.42 | sm1 | hold up.. |
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| 03:46.56 | skilz | whats a good console bit torrent client? |
| 03:47.06 | sm1 | hwq001: s4ry.sa@gmail.com |
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| 03:47.25 | sm1 | is there one! |
| 03:47.35 | leon9 | rtorrent |
| 03:47.43 | hwq001 | sm1:sent out already |
| 03:47.49 | sm1 | that would be very nice. |
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| 03:48.21 | sm1 | hwq001: Alright thanx , imma check it out. |
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| 03:54.15 | sm1 | hwq001: where should i like to accept the invitation , just don't wanna mess it up this time. |
| 03:55.26 | hwq001 | sm1:click the link on the email you received |
| 03:57.25 | sm1 | hwq001: okay , i've clicked the window with title " Learn more about Google+". |
| 03:57.54 | sm1 | yea , thats he one .. loggin in is needed. |
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| 03:59.07 | hwq001 | sm1: just click to login |
| 03:59.30 | sm1 | Strang! unable to login with my correct password. |
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| 04:03.51 | blackshirt | hello, is it possible to lock down user on jail with GUI desktop ?? |
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| 04:07.06 | mosno | blackest_mamba, kde used to have a kiosk mode back in 3.x, but i never used it |
| 04:07.21 | mosno | blackshirt, ^ |
| 04:07.24 | mosno | blackest_mamba, sorry wrong person |
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| 04:07.47 | blackshirt | mosno : i have gnome-based debian... |
| 04:08.03 | mosno | blackshirt, i seem to recall a similar thing for gnome but i can't remember the name |
| 04:08.23 | blackshirt | mosno: hmm...like great, maybe you can help me :d |
| 04:08.44 | mosno | blackshirt, note that i've never bothered to implement such a system |
| 04:11.38 | sm1 | hwq001: could you send another one to sa0sm1@gmail.com , or is the inviteations limited to amount of numbers! |
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| 04:13.26 | Some_Person | Is there any way to figure out *why* my machine just crashed? |
| 04:14.18 | epsilon | any msg on shell before crash? in logs? |
| 04:14.38 | somiaj | Some_Person: you can parse though the logs and see if anything got spit out -- usually a kernel panic will output to your consol before stoping. |
| 04:14.38 | Some_Person | Black screen with mouse cursor and underscore in corner |
| 04:14.50 | somiaj | Some_Person: did your whole system crash or did just X crash? |
| 04:15.04 | somiaj | Some_Person: antoher machine to ssh into it is a way to test that. |
| 04:15.07 | Some_Person | Presumably whole system -- Ctrl-Alt-F1 didn't work |
| 04:15.22 | somiaj | when xorg crashes it will take the keyboard and mouse with it, so that won't be a sign |
| 04:15.31 | somiaj | well it can crash and take them with it. |
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| 04:17.20 | Some_Person | Anyway, what logs should I look through? |
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| 04:17.26 | skilz | how do I find out what my mixer device is? im using alsa |
| 04:18.07 | epsilon | Some_Person: ls -lrt /var/log/ |
| 04:18.35 | Some_Person | that's a lot of logs |
| 04:18.45 | epsilon | all logs newer than around crash time |
| 04:19.22 | Some_Person | Well, this is the first day the system has been alive since early June (just replaced the mobo) |
| 04:19.25 | epsilon | you dont need to read whole logs, just the time at crash of each log |
| 04:20.27 | epsilon | if you've worked on hardware, it can be anything from broken hardware until bad conf not matching new components |
| 04:20.48 | Some_Person | The mobo should be identical to the old one |
| 04:21.08 | Some_Person | (barring serial numbers and stuff like that perhaps) |
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| 04:21.54 | karlpinc_ | Some_Person: And BIOS versions? |
| 04:22.17 | Some_Person | Not sure. I can't remember what the old one had and can't check because it's dead |
| 04:22.19 | karlpinc_ | Some_Person: (And, of course, BIOS configuration.) |
| 04:22.33 | Some_Person | BIOS configuration is the same to my memory |
| 04:22.38 | karlpinc_ | Some_Person: Then perhaps you'd better look at the logs. |
| 04:23.15 | karlpinc_ | Some_Person: Or, you could setup a serial console (or perhaps a network console) and pastebin the output of the console so we can look. Otherwise, without something specific, we can't help. |
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| 04:24.01 | Some_Person | I'm just trying to figure out what caused the crash so I can fix it |
| 04:25.06 | somiaj | Some_Person: start looking though the kernel log, syslog, xorglog, .xsession-errors (if it was x) but until you figure out if its your kernel or x crashing or get some output there is only hunting and pecking around |
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| 04:26.02 | Some_Person | well, I'm looking |
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| 04:31.45 | Some_Person | so far I'm not finding anything about the crash |
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| 04:41.01 | Some_Person | I don't know at all why it crashed |
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| 04:41.44 | Some_Person | What should I do if it happens again? |
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| 04:44.33 | boudiccas | Some_Person; restart and check the logs again, rinse and repeat |
| 04:45.10 | Some_Person | I've checked every log that appears to have been modified this month, and found nothing |
| 04:45.13 | gnarface | Some_Person: you say its a black screen with a mouse cursor and an underscore? as in, a square mouse cursor, not the X11 one, or are you in X11? |
| 04:45.26 | Some_Person | Proper mouse cursor |
| 04:45.36 | boudiccas | Some_Person; strange it only happens after you replace the mobo, maybe its a hardware conflict somewhere? |
| 04:45.54 | Some_Person | I don't recall it happening before, and the hardware should be the same |
| 04:46.04 | gnarface | Some_Person: gimme your motherboard model and the BIOS version you have on it currently |
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| 04:47.27 | Some_Person | I'm not sure of the model number. It's for an M-6866 laptop |
| 04:48.00 | gnarface | ok, if you don't actually know of the BIOS version, how can you be certain its the same as what was in the old motherboard? |
| 04:48.25 | gnarface | uh |
| 04:48.31 | gnarface | Some_Person: http://www.retrevo.com/s/Gateway-M-6866-Laptops-review-manual/id/21395ci156/t/1-2/ this one? |
| 04:48.43 | Some_Person | yes |
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| 04:52.13 | Some_Person | It may actually be slightly different. It came from eBay and was marketed as a "GATEWAY M-6849 M-6866 M-6873b NOTEBOOK MOTHERBOARD" |
| 04:52.45 | Some_Person | actually this thing is using quite a few parts from eBay |
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| 04:56.00 | Some_Person | ok something is seriously wrong here |
| 04:56.06 | Some_Person | bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory |
| 04:56.11 | Some_Person | And Chrome just brought up a page that said "He's dead Jim" and quit |
| 04:56.37 | Some_Person | and my desktop has a plain blue background and the icons are gone |
| 04:56.41 | gnarface | oh boy |
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| 04:56.57 | Some_Person | what the hell is this?! |
| 04:57.06 | boudiccas | Some_Person; maybe you've been owned? |
| 04:57.11 | somiaj | Some_Person: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:57.15 | Some_Person | It happened when I tried to play a song on grooveshark |
| 04:57.29 | Some_Person | squeeze. Hasn't been updated in about a month though |
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| 04:57.53 | gnarface | well first guess... harddrive failure. but that doesn't mean you haven't been rooted. either way that sounds bad. happen to have a live cd around? try booting it up on a livecd and run it under that for a couple hours, testing multimedia and performance stuff... really load test it and see if you can recreate the misbehaviors |
| 04:58.38 | gnarface | also i always like having the most recent bios revision. many in here would disagree and tell you that its unecessarily dangerous to flash the BIOS... but those patches are often for stability |
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| 05:00.11 | Guest-892 | hi. Is it possible to resize the hfs+ partition so i can install linux? |
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| 05:00.46 | skilz | lollo64it: Some_Person |
| 05:00.47 | somiaj | Guest-892: yes, though you may want to use the tools in mac osX -- gparted can resize some partitions though. (hfs+ is macos I'm hoping) |
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| 05:00.57 | skilz | lol Some_Person |
| 05:01.00 | Some_Person | How is xchat still working anyway? |
| 05:01.15 | boudiccas | Some_Person; what? |
| 05:01.15 | skilz | you've been r00ted |
| 05:01.17 | somiaj | Some_Person: its running in memory before your linker went bad. |
| 05:01.46 | skilz | Some_Person: Can you view your system logs? |
| 05:01.57 | Guest-892 | somiaj: yea i am trying.. no programs really run on this mac os x installation |
| 05:01.59 | Some_Person | skilz: That would be a good trick. cat and nano won't run |
| 05:02.11 | Some_Person | I can still cd to things, but no ls |
| 05:02.16 | boudiccas | Some_Person; try emacs |
| 05:02.22 | Some_Person | command not found |
| 05:02.30 | skilz | lol |
| 05:02.31 | Some_Person | (just like everything else) |
| 05:02.31 | somiaj | Guest-892: you can try gparted -- its included in the installer as an option tool you can load |
| 05:02.41 | skilz | sorry I shouldn't be laughing.. |
| 05:03.01 | skilz | does aptitude work? |
| 05:03.10 | skilz | apt-get install nano |
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| 05:03.17 | Some_Person | command not found |
| 05:03.22 | somiaj | Some_Person: that could be as simple as your /lib64 link got errased....but you'll need a root consol to remake it (but best boot off a live/recovery cd to check around) |
| 05:03.39 | skilz | Some_Person: did you do it under root? |
| 05:03.40 | Guest-892 | somiaj: will linux boot if i resize the hfs+ to size 1? |
| 05:03.48 | somiaj | Guest-892: what do you mean size 1? |
| 05:03.50 | Some_Person | sudo: command not found |
| 05:04.11 | Guest-892 | somiaj: since the hfs+ partition is needed |
| 05:04.11 | Some_Person | wait, now it says "Bus error" when I type sudo |
| 05:04.27 | boudiccas | Some_Person; boy, it sounds like your system is really screwed. maybe you're looking a re-install? |
| 05:04.34 | boudiccas | at a |
| 05:04.41 | somiaj | Guest-892: I mean why is that partition needed at all? size 1 what? meg/gig/etc? |
| 05:04.43 | Some_Person | All I did was try to play a song on grooveshark! |
| 05:05.00 | somiaj | Guest-892: and no most resizers won't resize a partition smaller than it can move around the data on it to fit. |
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| 05:05.27 | Guest-892 | somiaj: i read somewhere that you cant resize hfs+ without losing data |
| 05:05.28 | gnarface | Some_Person: i'm not sure what grooveshark is but here's my recommendation: don't do that again |
| 05:05.33 | thinksteve | Some_Person: As root? |
| 05:05.40 | Some_Person | thinksteve: of course not |
| 05:05.50 | somiaj | Guest-892: http://www.dailyblogged.com/1076/resizing-hfs-partitions/ |
| 05:05.54 | Some_Person | gnarface: It's a flash-based website where you can play music |
| 05:05.59 | somiaj | Guest-892: but why do you need a size 1 hfs+ partition, what ever that means. |
| 05:06.14 | gnarface | Some_Person: there are known vulnerabilities in many recent versions of flash, perhaps even the current one |
| 05:06.47 | Some_Person | Could flash have caused this? I was playing a YouTube video when the last crash occured |
| 05:06.47 | gnarface | Some_Person: really bad vulnerabilities. someone could easily have posted a virus-laden movie file to grooveshark. this could have happened on youtube too or any other flash site really |
| 05:07.23 | boudiccas | Some_Person; i hope you've got good backups because you're going to need them. you could try rebooting and see what happens |
| 05:07.48 | Some_Person | I'm going to try to reboot |
| 05:07.59 | gnarface | Some_Person: livecd's are really valuable for this type of forensics |
| 05:08.10 | Some_Person | I'll need to burn one first |
| 05:08.29 | thinksteve | What's exactly the problem? His hdd was erased when he visited a site loaded with flash? |
| 05:09.16 | Some_Person | My system crashed earlier while playing a YouTube video, and now my system went weird when I tried to play a song on Grooveshark (also flash-based) |
| 05:09.21 | gnarface | thinksteve: the evidence he's presented certainly suggests so. that doesn't mean it might not still be hardware failure |
| 05:09.29 | somiaj | thinksteve: I don't think anyone knows what the problem is, just that it might be preferable to reinstall. |
| 05:10.15 | gnarface | could be user error too |
| 05:10.47 | thinksteve | It's very unlikely that unprivleged processes like his browser or a flash plugin just erase random files in root directory. |
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| 05:11.33 | Some_Person | 1 reboot later, and the system is working again |
| 05:11.41 | Some_Person | All files appear to be fine |
| 05:12.06 | boudiccas | Some_Person; then avoid wireshark as it plays your system up |
| 05:12.10 | Some_Person | So what the hell just happened? |
| 05:12.38 | Some_Person | It was grooveshark -- it's just a website where you can play music |
| 05:12.44 | Some_Person | I use it all the time |
| 05:13.01 | somiaj | Some_Person: smelling more like bad hardware, maybe memory. |
| 05:13.06 | boudiccas | i'd still avoid it though, especially if it plays your system up like it has done |
| 05:13.13 | Some_Person | Chrome is complaining that its cache got corrupted |
| 05:13.29 | Some_Person | I've used it on many machines in the past no problem |
| 05:13.37 | gnarface | Some_Person: i've seen similar behavior with harddrive sectors going bad |
| 05:13.48 | rozie | chrome's cache has nothing to do with system files |
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| 05:13.55 | skilz | Some_Person: what was the website that came up before? |
| 05:13.56 | gnarface | Some_Person: often modern harddrives can fake a "self-heal" on reboot though |
| 05:14.13 | rozie | Some_Person: which FS?, which kernel, which chrome, which flash (versions)? |
| 05:14.23 | somiaj | did fsck run/fix any errors on bootup, or did you not notice? |
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| 05:14.36 | rozie | Some_Person: and use smartclt to check SMART |
| 05:14.43 | thinksteve | somiaj: Please, check your system memory with memtest and query s.m.a.r.t. tables of your harddisk for failures |
| 05:14.54 | Some_Person | I have plymouth, so I didn't notice |
| 05:15.51 | Some_Person | ext4. Chrome 11.0.696.71. Flash 10.3.162. Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 05:16.39 | adminewb | If on the kernel boot command line I use "radeon.modeset=0" module tweak to circumvent a problem, would I be losing something desirable? |
| 05:17.21 | nsadmin | disk space? |
| 05:18.05 | rozie | Some_Person: pretty old flash 10.3.181.34 is current |
| 05:18.13 | adminewb | hmm |
| 05:18.21 | Some_Person | I haven't updated in about a month -- this system had a dead mobo until today |
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| 05:18.35 | thinksteve | adminewb: Autodetecion of your screen's native resolution for your getty terminals for example. |
| 05:18.41 | Guest-892 | somiaj: because of an unknown reason it is impossible to resize this partition |
| 05:19.11 | somiaj | Guest-892: I still don't understand what your trying to do? Do you want to keep any data on that curent partition? |
| 05:19.12 | rozie | security holes are commone in flash. but still, it's rather hardware failure than flash |
| 05:20.01 | Guest-892 | somiaj: I don't want to keep this partition but it is "required" by the system i suppose |
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| 05:20.44 | somiaj | Guest-892: why? Until you actually tell us what it is you want, you might get some useful advice |
| 05:20.59 | somiaj | Guest-892: are you wanting a dual boot system? mac osx / linux? |
| 05:21.18 | Guest-892 | somiaj: oh yes dual boot |
| 05:21.34 | somiaj | Guest-892: so you have os-x running fine on another partition? |
| 05:21.56 | Guest-892 | somiaj: yea fine but cant resize partition on it |
| 05:22.27 | somiaj | Guest-892: I don't follow you? do you have a single hfs+ partition and need to resize it to make room for linux (still trying to figure out what you mean by resize it to 1) |
| 05:23.26 | Guest-892 | somiaj: yes... but if i delete this partition i wount be able to boot and will need to rebuy mac os |
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| 05:23.52 | somiaj | Guest-892: so figure out why, what that partition is and if you can reconfigure os-x to not need it. |
| 05:24.23 | somiaj | Guest-892: also I'd use the os-x tools they ahve for resizing it. |
| 05:24.27 | somiaj | Guest-892: ask google |
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| 05:24.56 | gnarface | Guest-892: i think you're missing out on the fact that the partition still needs to be big enough to contain os X. you can't resize it to 1MB because its not the partition that's required, its the CONTENTS. i recommend making a DD backup of the whole physical disk image before you hose it good |
| 05:25.02 | Some_Person | I notice in the repos there's a "flashplugin-nonfree" and a "flashplugin-mozilla". I have the "flashplugin-nonfree" installed, and there is no newer version. Should I switch to the other one? |
| 05:25.55 | gnarface | uh.. it might just be a metapackage. |
| 05:26.02 | gnarface | either way i'd think... no |
| 05:26.43 | Some_Person | Neither appears to be a metapackage |
| 05:27.07 | Some_Person | The dependencies are different and they conflict with each other |
| 05:27.35 | somiaj | flashplugin-nonfree is the universial plugin for multiple browsers, the other package is the older version |
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| 05:30.14 | Some_Person | If flash truly is causing this problem, what can I do to fix it? |
| 05:31.09 | stew | flashplugin-mozilla does't come from debian |
| 05:31.40 | Some_Person | It's "flashplayer-mozilla" -- that was my fail |
| 05:31.57 | stew | flashplayer-mozilla doesn't come from debian |
| 05:32.04 | Some_Person | huh |
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| 05:32.39 | gnarface | Some_Person: first try to recreate it reliably to be sure its actually flash. what you experienced sounded far more like harddrive sector fail due to wear/physical damage or ram failure due to overheating/inappropriate BIOS settings (or out-of-spec or actually physically damaged ram) |
| 05:33.08 | Some_Person | ok, I'll try to play a song on grooveshark again |
| 05:33.34 | rozie | Some_Person: smartctl -a /dev/sda -> pastebin |
| 05:33.49 | rozie | (you may need to adjust drive of course) |
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| 05:33.53 | gnarface | Some_Person: if you're not in a very cold place, you might want to consider monitoring your temperature sensors in the laptop while doing that. laptops are notorious for overheating when they don't have the appropriate soft throttling enabled |
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| 05:34.30 | somiaj | hmm, I think 10.3.162 is the newest version for amd64 |
| 05:34.31 | gnarface | (and of course heat can cause ram to behave like its gone bad far quicker than it will actually make it go bad) |
| 05:34.39 | Some_Person | rozie: http://pastebin.com/KSrSrES9 |
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| 05:35.39 | gnarface | # |
| 05:35.40 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.59 | gnarface | i think that eliminates my theory it could be harddrive sector failure, yes? |
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| 05:36.18 | Some_Person | I don't know what that means |
| 05:36.53 | gnarface | well i'm not sure either but it seems to be saying that 0 sectors have been reallocated |
| 05:37.22 | gnarface | (modern harddrives carry spare sectors, unmapped, and when one used one goes bad they are supposed to auto remap to one of the spare ones) |
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| 05:39.10 | epsilon | http://pastebin.com/KSrSrES9 <-- looks fine for me |
| 05:39.30 | rozie | yes, SMART shows OK |
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| 05:39.54 | skilz | what pdf viwer should I use? |
| 05:39.57 | Some_Person | Should I try grooveshark again? |
| 05:39.59 | skilz | a basic one |
| 05:40.06 | skilz | Some_Person: |
| 05:40.07 | gnarface | skilz: xpdf |
| 05:40.10 | rozie | Some_Person: update flash and go ahead |
| 05:40.10 | epsilon | hint to use smart: save the smartctl -a output in a file, then run long test, then save the smartctl -a output again |
| 05:40.16 | rozie | skilz: evince |
| 05:40.19 | epsilon | then run diff of both outputs |
| 05:40.20 | Some_Person | rozie: How does one update flash on debian? |
| 05:40.25 | gnarface | Some_Person: while you're running groove shark watch your system temp |
| 05:40.37 | Some_Person | gnarface: What's the easiest way to do that? |
| 05:40.51 | gnarface | Some_Person: "watch -n 1 sensors -f " |
| 05:41.25 | rozie | Some_Person: install flashplugin-nonfree, after this update-flash... command will check if there's newer version to download |
| 05:42.04 | gnarface | Some_Person: you'll need to make sure lm-sensors has already been installed of course and that you've run sensors-detect as root |
| 05:42.05 | rozie | Some_Person: almost any WM has widget for monitoring temperarure |
| 05:42.16 | Some_Person | gnarface: currently -- http://pastebin.com/JyWZSf6f |
| 05:42.17 | rozie | many are turned on by default IIRC |
| 05:42.42 | gnarface | Some_Person: toasty. seems like you should have more info |
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| 05:43.09 | Some_Person | toasty = not good? |
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| 05:43.39 | gnarface | uh... looks a bit high to be honest, but there is a broad range of hardware profiles for heat |
| 05:43.57 | Guest-892 | can someone help me install linux on a powerbook g4 with os 10.3.9? (hfs+ partition can't be resized) |
| 05:43.57 | gnarface | maybe that's normal for yours? there should be official docs |
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| 05:44.19 | gnarface | Guest-892: is deleting it an option? |
| 05:44.34 | somiaj | gnarface: he wants to keep is os-x install on it. |
| 05:44.49 | gnarface | :( |
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| 05:45.02 | kingsley | How would you find out which repository a certain version of a certain package is available from, so that /etc/apt/sources.list could be correctly configured? |
| 05:45.09 | gnarface | Guest-892: did you lose your os-x cd's? |
| 05:45.29 | Guest-892 | gnarface: yes and yes |
| 05:45.57 | gnarface | Guest-892: you should really make a backup of the drive. :-/ newer versions of os-x aren't even supported on that thing anymore. haven't been for several versions |
| 05:46.25 | Guest-892 | gnarface: is it possible to just delete the partition and create a new one with refit on it? |
| 05:47.09 | somiaj | kingsley: umm, you don't really want to be mixing repos for various versions of debian to mix/match package versions you want. What is it you are trying to do? |
| 05:47.12 | gnarface | Guest-892: totally, but unless you've backed up the contents to another drive you're gonna lose all your data. isn't the point of this to keep the data? if not... what are you keeping it for? |
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| 05:47.59 | somiaj | kingsley: i.e. what version of debian are you running and what package do y ou want that isn't of a deseriable version? |
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| 05:48.23 | jair | guys, I have a laptop "Lenovo W510" it is a very strong laptop (desktop replacement), with debian squeeze 64bit 6.0.2. The problem I am having is when I try to "safely remove" a usb device (external drives) the computer gets into a panic I guess the "caps lock" button has a small led light and start blincking just like the kernel panic, and the system becomes unoperable. |
| 05:48.37 | gnarface | Some_Person: here's what my sensors output. this is a more typical output: http://pastebin.com/PnPYjb1m (you'll notice my system runs a bit hot too, but not nearly as hot as yours, and we're both using amd64 hardware, right?) |
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| 05:49.39 | jair | has anyone suffer something like this with IBM/Lenovo laptops or other brands as well? |
| 05:50.03 | somiaj | jair: have you tried to just umount the mount point instaed of using the safetly remove tool? |
| 05:50.30 | somiaj | jair: that tool is optional and i'm assuming part of gnome and maybe check for some bugs with it -- or check the kernel panic message to see what is causing the crash |
| 05:50.36 | jair | somiaj: no I haven't |
| 05:51.12 | Some_Person | gnarface: Yes, it's also amd64. Why am I not getting that much output? |
| 05:51.28 | jair | somiaj: how can I check what is causing the crash? "/var/log/syslog.log"? or error.log? |
| 05:51.38 | gnarface | Some_Person: probably because you never ran sensors-detect as root |
| 05:51.49 | somiaj | jair: that's a good place to start -- look near the ed at the time of the crash |
| 05:51.50 | jair | I will do a test right now |
| 05:51.58 | jair | sounds good |
| 05:52.04 | somiaj | jair: but you should try to mount/umount the drive without using the special tool |
| 05:52.18 | somiaj | jair: then you know if its the hardware/kernel or the tool doing somethign strange |
| 05:52.51 | gnarface | Some_Person: you gotta run sensors-detect as root and probe everything, then it will come up with a list of modules(s) that need to be loaded for full support of your various hardware sensors, and even offer to append them to the /etc/modules file |
| 05:53.10 | Some_Person | gnarface: Just did that. Do I need to reboot? |
| 05:53.15 | jair | somiaj: absolutely I will check that right now, the inyteresting thing is that happens sometimes, more often than just being remove and work fine. |
| 05:53.51 | jair | somiaj: I am testing in one of my linux laptops |
| 05:53.53 | gnarface | Some_Person: you should not have to, no. once the module is loaded you should be good to go. |
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| 05:54.13 | Some_Person | gnarface: I ran /etc/init.d/module-init-tools start like it said, and now I'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/hUswWrCX |
| 05:54.13 | gnarface | Some_Person: its possible that's simply all the sensors you have, or that a complete set of drivers are not available yet. |
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| 05:54.46 | Guest-892 | gnarface: how would one go about installing refit on a created hfs+ partition? |
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| 05:55.48 | gnarface | Guest-892: hell if i know. i have one of those powerbooks and the moment apple pulled gcc from the latest version of os-x supported on it i blew the whole thing out and put debian on it and never looked back |
| 05:55.49 | jair | somiaj: and the mount/umount process you suggest is a manual test correct? |
| 05:56.17 | Guest-892 | gnarface: nice :D |
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| 05:56.53 | gnarface | Some_Person: well that's a start. what is the contents of your /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor file? |
| 05:56.59 | kingsley | somiaj: Thanks for your thoughts. They suggested a few areas to investigate, which I will. |
| 05:57.17 | Some_Person | gnarface: doesn't exist |
| 05:57.27 | jair | somiaj: tried the umount command as root and works no panic or system freeze. |
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| 05:58.21 | Some_Person | gnarface: cpufreq directory doesn't exist |
| 05:58.24 | gnarface | Some_Person: seems like your powernow_k8 module is not loading, probably because the bios has hardware throttling disabled. you probably want that on for a laptop.... |
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| 05:58.28 | somiaj | jair: if you are able to mount/umount devices jsut fine that way, stick with that -- if you can reproduce the bug with 'whatever tool' allows you to safetly-remove, check for bugs/or file one against it. |
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| 05:59.36 | echosystm | hey super cool dudes |
| 06:00.01 | Talon_ | I run debian squeeze, and im trying to narrow down some processes, i think I got more than need-be, so one I know I can alter, I don't need 6 tty's how would I change that? 1 would be sufficant. |
| 06:00.07 | echosystm | is there any way to override the dbconfig-common settings for a package with a preseed file? |
| 06:00.24 | echosystm | i can see there are options for setting the database and user names |
| 06:00.36 | echosystm | however, i cant see any options for changing the sql files to create the schema |
| 06:00.49 | gnarface | Talon_: i believe you change that in the inittab, but if i were you i'd keep at least 2, so you can still use one to poke at X11 when it misbehaves |
| 06:01.06 | subuser | you can edit /etc/inittab to reduce the amount of tty's |
| 06:01.06 | somiaj | Talon_: /etc/inittab |
| 06:01.16 | jair | somiaj: will absolutely work on that, can you provide me with the site to submit/search information about debian logs, bugs databases etc...? |
| 06:01.49 | somiaj | jair: bugs.debian.org gives bug reporting instructions, bugs.debian.org/pkg_name looks for bugs for a paticular package |
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| 06:02.07 | Talon_ | so leave tty1-2 and get rid of 3-6? how would i update the changes without rebooting? or is that not possible |
| 06:02.17 | jair | somiaj: thank you very much |
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| 06:06.05 | Some_Person | gnarface: Well, I'm playing the song I was trying to play before on grooveshark, and nothing strange is happening so far |
| 06:06.33 | superlinux | hi. I need to add to the right-click-on-a-folder something like "add to Movie Player playlist", how? |
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| 06:06.50 | Some_Person | filesystem is still good, and CPU temp is currently 127 |
| 06:07.14 | gnarface | Some_Person: if it was a heat issue, it could have been something you ramped up to. maybe you had the laptop sitting somewhere hotter too? like on a couch or a bed instead of a flat, hard, surface? |
| 06:07.59 | Some_Person | same surface as before -- bed, but with a flat hard metal surface under the machine |
| 06:08.23 | Some_Person | It's actually an access panel from another computer's case |
| 06:08.24 | gnarface | Some_Person: either way i would strongly recommend you re-enable quiet+cool/q-fan control (whatever they're calling it in your system - the amd cpu clock/fan bios control stuff) in your bios and load up that powernow_k8 driver |
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| 06:08.56 | arghx | superlinux: depends on the program you right click in. you probably need to google that |
| 06:09.09 | ElDiabolo | libc-scan-perl has been orphaned, however seriously using h2xs needs it. What is the right thing to do about that? File a bug requesting deorphaning? |
| 06:09.10 | gnarface | Some_Person: you can always disable it in software while running games, and in the mean time the dynamic clock speed reduction will save you on battery life and reduce the likelyhood of overheating incidents |
| 06:09.16 | Some_Person | the song finished playing without problems |
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| 06:09.30 | gnarface | Some_Person: how many did you play in a row before it locked last time? |
| 06:09.36 | superlinux | arghx, I want it in nautilus and pcmanfm |
| 06:09.45 | arghx | Talon_: editing /etc/inittab and then restart /sbin/init I guess. which is pretty much a reboot :) |
| 06:09.45 | Some_Person | I hit the play button for the first one -- it didn't even start playing |
| 06:10.11 | superlinux | arghx, at least what's the name of such thing so I can search |
| 06:10.28 | gnarface | Some_Person: you should find out if that's a normal temp for these cpu's too. |
| 06:11.13 | Some_Person | It seems to be fluctuating between about 118 and 129 |
| 06:11.26 | gnarface | Some_Person: unless its an extreme overheating problem, it may only cause incidents occasionally, but if this is a repaired laptop (you said you had a new motherboard placed in it?) i'd consider the heatsinc mounting to be suspect |
| 06:11.38 | Some_Person | I just replaced the motherboard today |
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| 06:11.47 | Some_Person | The old one only had a power jack problem (long story) |
| 06:11.58 | gnarface | did you have to remount any heatsyncs? |
| 06:12.00 | ElDiabolo | Or the temp. is wromg. |
| 06:12.19 | Some_Person | gnarface: I had to practically tear apart the entire machine, so yes |
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| 06:12.59 | gnarface | ElDiabolo: totally possible but we're not actually debugging the heat here. we're looking at the heat as a possible symptom of another problem |
| 06:13.08 | ElDiabolo | Ah :) |
| 06:13.29 | ElDiabolo | bye. |
| 06:13.57 | Some_Person | I think it's a wonder I actually got it back together with everything working (well, I kinda broke the dialup modem, but who cares) the first time |
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| 06:14.23 | gnarface | Some_Person: did you use thermal compound to re-seat the heatsyncs? |
| 06:14.29 | Some_Person | No |
| 06:14.29 | gnarface | er, heatsincs |
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| 06:15.26 | Some_Person | The heatsink goes over two components. One has some white goop, the other has a flat sticker-type-thing |
| 06:15.32 | gnarface | well here's the deal. your cpu seems to be idling at the same temp it runs at under load, and its 6 degrees higher than mine runs at under full load |
| 06:15.36 | t6070 | Is there something along the lines of /etc/init.d/first-run that I can do that will start before anything else (or maybe before certain services)? |
| 06:16.08 | gnarface | Some_Person: and to add to that its 25 degrees higher than mine idles at |
| 06:16.16 | somiaj | t6070: what are you trying to do, with the default init system you can set init scripts to run in paticular orders during the bootup |
| 06:17.02 | Some_Person | gnarface: This isn't the original heatsink either. I replaced it a while back with one from eBay |
| 06:17.10 | gnarface | Some_Person: granted, i have an open-case desktop machine and i'm actually using quiet&cool when i'm not gaming, but you see the source of my concern about those temp measurements, right? |
| 06:17.10 | t6070 | somiaj: Basically just wanted to put something after rl1 but before any other rl |
| 06:17.15 | Some_Person | (again, identical to the original) |
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| 06:17.38 | Some_Person | actually, quite a few parts in here are eBay replacements |
| 06:17.53 | somiaj | t6070: you can write you own script in /etc/init.d/ that accepts a start/stop/reload option -- (check the README and skeleton) and then use update-rc.d to place it in the desired place in the bootup. |
| 06:18.05 | t6070 | somiaj; thanks |
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| 06:18.28 | gnarface | Some_Person: so a common heatsinc mounting mistake is to use too much goop. even the best thermal conduction compounds are more insulating than a direct metal-to-metal connection or a connection with the open air, so you only want to use just enough to fill in all the microscopic gaps between the actual contact surface of the chips and the heatsinc |
| 06:18.34 | rubin110 | I'm wanting to build a netboot image with a particular timezone preset, is there any way to do that? |
| 06:18.55 | Some_Person | gnarface: I have never replaced the goop on there, so I should probably do that |
| 06:19.12 | gnarface | Some_Person: the white stuff is cheap shit. the nice stuff is a silvery grey |
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| 06:19.33 | Some_Person | well then this thing was originally built with the "cheap shit" |
| 06:19.40 | gnarface | very common |
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| 06:19.47 | Some_Person | not surprised |
| 06:19.48 | gnarface | they don't want the hardware to last too long. |
| 06:20.11 | gnarface | they want it to be right on the threshold of overheating constantly so that it will cause hardware fatigue and you'll have to replace it the moment the warranty runs out |
| 06:20.45 | gnarface | make sure if there are fans in there they're still running too |
| 06:20.47 | Some_Person | It doesn't help that the heatsink has been removed and put back several times since the goop was originally put on there by the manufacturer |
| 06:21.03 | Some_Person | The fan is fine. That's why I replaced the original one |
| 06:21.06 | gnarface | no definitely not. and once that stuff dries out, the best thing to do is to remove it and reseat it |
| 06:21.32 | gnarface | dry thermal compound is useless the moment you break contact with the surface of the heatsinc |
| 06:21.51 | gnarface | best way to get it off is with 70% isopropyl and some paper towels |
| 06:22.00 | gnarface | (you can get that in your pharmacy) |
| 06:22.02 | Some_Person | I'll see if my dad will purchase some thermal compound then |
| 06:22.42 | gnarface | Arctic Silver 5 (7? whatever they're up to now) is WAY overpriced but generally considered the best |
| 06:23.05 | Some_Person | He's likely to go for the cheap stuff |
| 06:23.08 | gnarface | you should only need an amount about the size of a grain of rice for most chip contact points, the trick is a nice even distribution |
| 06:23.42 | gnarface | if you google around some people should have some nice tutorials on making the most of even the cheapest stuff. it'll make the most difference simply that you 1) don't use too much and 2) get rid of all the old dry crusty stuff first |
| 06:24.17 | Some_Person | Cleaning off the old stuff should be no problem (we have several kinds of isopropyl alcohol here from 50% to 92%) |
| 06:24.32 | gnarface | i had a friend who managed to drop the video card on some powerbook model temperature by like 11 degrees at idle simply by re-applying the thermal compound himself |
| 06:24.57 | gnarface | its not something assembly lines do well yet |
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| 06:26.24 | gnarface | sometimes that last few degrees is the difference between a rock solid system and behavior that can only be described as gremlins.... especially with AMD 64-bit hardware |
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| 06:26.59 | Some_Person | So which one would you recommend on here (we'll most likely buy it from fry's): http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&query_string=thermal+compound&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&cat=0 |
| 06:27.46 | gnarface | arctic silver 5 |
| 06:28.02 | gnarface | you only need the little one |
| 06:28.24 | Some_Person | naturally the most expensive one |
| 06:28.54 | gnarface | there's probably very little difference with the others. that's just the one that is most popular with the overclockers |
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| 06:29.12 | skilz | whats this mean? |
| 06:29.13 | skilz | (16:28:44) Could not create download, the input is not a valid torrent. |
| 06:29.13 | skilz | (16:28:44) Could not open file: "Hackers_-_Original_Soundtrack_vol.1__mp3_128_.3401563.TPB.torrent" |
| 06:29.17 | Some_Person | I'm not overclocking anything here |
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| 06:29.29 | Some_Person | skilz: It means you're pirating something |
| 06:29.52 | skilz | so? |
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| 06:30.58 | arghx | skilz: the torrent file you tried to use is malformed it seems or the permissions for the torrent file are wrong |
| 06:31.09 | jmarsden | skilz: Please read http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#unlawful |
| 06:31.26 | arghx | and copyright infringement is against channel and network policy too |
| 06:31.50 | gnarface | Some_Person: get the 11.99 one, you don't need that $29.95 tube of the stuff (12g?!) unless you were doing a whole truck load of these laptops |
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| 06:32.44 | Some_Person | gnarface: I doubt my dad will want that more expensive one. He complained the other day about 8 fish tank filters for that same price |
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| 06:34.19 | Some_Person | but I'll try to convince him |
| 06:34.55 | Bhavicp | lol |
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| 06:35.18 | gnarface | Some_Person: well anything will probably do. its proper application technique that is far more important. literally an amount around the size of a grain of rice should be plenty if you spread it evenly enough. if it gushes out the sides like mayo coming out of a sandwich then you put way too much on. you're probably in most cases better off with NONE than with too much |
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| 06:35.42 | Some_Person | This one was gushing out the sides when I first found it, so.... yeah |
| 06:36.44 | Some_Person | now it's just smeared all over the place |
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| 06:39.30 | gnarface | Some_Person: well i wish you luck. |
| 06:39.42 | Some_Person | thank you -- I'll get this taken care of this weekend |
| 06:39.59 | Some_Person | I'm glad you told me because else I probably would have done nothing |
| 06:42.28 | gnarface | Some_Person: no problem. after that i'd also look into BIOS version and settings, and then run some extended memtests to make sure the ram is both good and operating in-spec - i work with a lot of AMD hardware so i'm familiar with where the gremlins can sneak in |
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| 06:49.41 | Some_Person | This system clearly has serious issues |
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| 06:50.55 | Some_Person | A problem I thought I solved earlier by reseating the RAM has come back |
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| 06:56.17 | skilz | how do I open a torrent with rtorrent to download? |
| 06:56.26 | Kharec | rtorrent torrent ? |
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| 07:01.16 | nsadmin | manorrent rtorrent |
| 07:01.20 | nsadmin | err man rtorrent |
| 07:01.26 | Guest-892 | Can someone help me with setting up a hfs partition so i can single boot linux on a g4 powerbook(PPC)? |
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| 07:02.20 | nsadmin | hfs? iirc, that is the old pre osx fs type |
| 07:02.45 | nsadmin | and doesn't have unix-like semantics which you would need for linux to work properly |
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| 07:03.32 | gnarface | Some_Person: i'm back now. whats the problem? |
| 07:03.36 | nsadmin | you want -only- linux? |
| 07:03.49 | nsadmin | or also macos? |
| 07:04.07 | skilz | Kharec: 17:03:56) Could not create download, the input is not a valid torrent. |
| 07:04.10 | kingsley | How do you check for vulnerabilities that can be fixed by security updates? |
| 07:04.12 | Guest-892 | ? |
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| 07:04.34 | Some_Person | gnarface: I'm having a problem with my RAM. I have 2 2GB sticks, and it will only post with one of them installed. It doesn't seem to matter which slot or which stick I use, but it won't get past the RAM test with both |
| 07:04.34 | Doranwen | how do I block remote access from ssh? someone's trying to get into my server and I'd rather just lock 'em out |
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| 07:04.59 | Guest-892 | nsadmin: only linux i suppose? |
| 07:05.07 | Doranwen | google kept giving me links for how to block root logging in when I tried |
| 07:05.30 | nsadmin | just making sure... you don't want macos at all? |
| 07:05.38 | Some_Person | Also that weird hard drive thing from earlier just happened :-( |
| 07:05.42 | Guest-892 | nsadmin: no its a old computer |
| 07:05.52 | nsadmin | oh, right, there is that |
| 07:05.53 | Guest-892 | nsadmin: no programs run on the current os |
| 07:06.02 | luckysmack | I just installed squeeze on my desktop. And on booting into the desktop I seem to have no networking and no package manager other that aptitude from terminal. So I seem to be stuck on where to go to install something for wifi networking |
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| 07:06.28 | nsadmin | also, there is no data on the drive you want to save? |
| 07:06.33 | luckysmack | I found wireless-tools on the CD I downloaded but it wouldn't install |
| 07:06.37 | gnarface | Some_Person: so i've seen this happen before with dying ram or memory controller on the motherboard, but usually it means your ram is operating out of spec. this is something that you can OFTEN fix in the bios if you know what timings/voltages the ram SHOULD run at and can override the BIOS's guess (which is usually based on its SPD with is almost never optimal but is some times actually just outright wrong) |
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| 07:06.42 | Guest-892 | nsadmin: yea its an unused computer |
| 07:06.45 | Some_Person | gnarface: It's as if the hard drive just disappears. I had a gnome-panel applet monitoring a bunch of temperatures including the HD, and the HD's temp went to 32F when it happened |
| 07:07.13 | nsadmin | so, nothing you want to save. could you say more about why hfs? |
| 07:07.47 | Some_Person | gnarface: What in the heck should I do? |
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| 07:08.05 | Guest-892 | nsadmin: not sure.. I think the system searches for the mac os installation before looking for other boots? |
| 07:08.32 | luckysmack | Ok I managed to get wireless tools to install via dpkg |
| 07:08.32 | gnarface | Some_Person: start by looking up the latency/bus speed/voltage settings the ram is rated for, then go into your bios and try to manually set it to those settings. |
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| 07:08.40 | skilz | whats this mean?Tracker: [Could not parse bencoded data] |
| 07:08.48 | Some_Person | gnarface: And what about my hard drive disappearing in debian? |
| 07:09.12 | gnarface | Some_Person: I'm assuming here its a symptom of the same reason you can't finish a memory test on the ram |
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| 07:09.40 | Some_Person | gnarface: Ok, let me reboot and then we'll talk some more |
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| 07:11.21 | luckysmack | Anyone able to help get the networking setup on a new desktop squeeze install? |
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| 07:11.48 | Kharec | luckysmack: with which card? |
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| 07:12.03 | Some_Person | gnarface: Ok, I have one of the sticks of RAM in my hand. What do I need to find out exactly about it? |
| 07:12.37 | nsadmin | Guest-892, oh, ok... so, the debian installer (assuming you want debian) has what you need to create filesystems of several types (I don't think hfs is one of them; if you really want an hfs partn you might have to do that from macos),,, simply put, you'll be well taken care of |
| 07:12.38 | Some_Person | (the other stick is identical and installed) |
| 07:12.46 | luckysmack | Netgear. Its a USB wifi adapter |
| 07:12.54 | gnarface | Some_Person: if you don't see timings or voltage settings printed on it then you need to look up the model number with the manufacturer and get their specs |
| 07:13.15 | nsadmin | other linux installers will also have filesystem writer |
| 07:13.17 | nsadmin | s |
| 07:13.35 | Guest-892 | nsadmin: I have another old computer that lost its hfs partition and ended up being tossed because it could not boot anything without it.. |
| 07:13.40 | luckysmack | Coming from Ubuntu it was recognised and usable automatically. Burning know that will he different somehow. |
| 07:13.49 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 07:13.53 | nsadmin | hmm. |
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| 07:14.08 | nsadmin | does that have to do with the boot rom in forth? |
| 07:14.57 | luckysmack | Running iwconfig does see my wifi card. |
| 07:14.59 | Guest-892 | nsadmin: I think I will need to follow some sort of installation like this https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~tkurosu/OnE/Linux/suse-v71-ppc-install.html but I dont have a installation cd for this |
| 07:15.09 | Some_Person | gnarface: It's the one ending in CE6 on this page: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=699&partnum=M470T5663QZ3 |
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| 07:16.26 | nsadmin | if what you'[re saying turns out to be the case, I'd expect the partition would also need some data |
| 07:16.39 | nsadmin | but, there might be other ways |
| 07:17.03 | gnarface | Some_Person: page 4 of the data sheet pdf |
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| 07:17.44 | Some_Person | gnarface: I'm not really sure what I'm looking at |
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| 07:19.47 | gnarface | Some_Person: under 2.0 on that page, the Features section, it tells you the cas ras/precharge timings at different bus speeds. its possible your bios guesses JUST wrong enough for it to fail in a dual-bank configuration |
| 07:19.57 | gnarface | 5-5-5 |
| 07:20.05 | gnarface | that's good ram |
| 07:21.05 | gnarface | Some_Person: of course its also possible your system BIOS on that laptop can only support up to 1.5GB of ram or something dumb like that. you'll want to verify with the manual provided by the laptop manufacturer |
| 07:21.13 | Some_Person | This is the RAM it came with |
| 07:21.17 | gnarface | oh |
| 07:21.26 | gnarface | is there only 2 slots? |
| 07:21.30 | Some_Person | Only 2 |
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| 07:21.39 | gnarface | so you know its not a bank ordering issue |
| 07:21.49 | gnarface | if there were 4 slots you might need the ram in slot 0 and slot 2 |
| 07:22.12 | Some_Person | Also the weird hard drive thing last time happened with only one stick installed |
| 07:22.42 | gnarface | Some_Person: still could be an actual bug in that version of your bios, or heat related |
| 07:23.10 | gnarface | Some_Person: and the ram could ACTUALLY have just gone *just* enough out to lunch that it can't operate in spec with 2 sticks but one is still fine (that's rare though) |
| 07:23.12 | Some_Person | CPU temp is currently 115, HD temp is 97 |
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| 07:24.33 | gnarface | Some_Person: so here's what you should do: go into the BIOS and check for where the ram settings are. its probably set to detect "By SPD" ... try turning that off and manually setting the timings and bus speed to what this table says to use on page 4 |
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| 07:24.58 | Some_Person | I'm still confused by that table |
| 07:25.31 | gnarface | Some_Person: there's a lot of shit on there i don't know about either. the bios settings available should help you fill in the blanks |
| 07:25.44 | Some_Person | and I'm guessing I should do this with only 1 stick? (I can't get to the BIOS config with both -- it freezes during the RAM check) |
| 07:26.26 | gnarface | Some_Person: yea, if you had spare ram of a different model but within the same general specifications i'd suggest trying it instead too |
| 07:26.40 | Some_Person | This is all I have that will fit in there |
| 07:26.52 | gnarface | inconvenient |
| 07:27.40 | Some_Person | Most of my spare computer hardware is made for old ass machines |
| 07:28.12 | Some_Person | I have several PC66 sticks and an old PCI VGA card (no 3D acceleration) for example |
| 07:28.16 | gnarface | Some_Person: once you get the settings locked down for one stick and run some tests to make sure the weird behavior has gone, then you'd try throwing the second stick in and hopefully the system would be at that point stable |
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| 07:29.09 | Some_Person | I can also look into BIOS upgrades if any are available |
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| 07:29.47 | gnarface | Some_Person: yep, that would be appropriate. you're debugging by deduction here |
| 07:30.52 | gnarface | Some_Person: once you have thoroughly examined the situation and eliminated the impossible, the only answer left, however improbable, must be the truth. i think sherlock holmes said that |
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| 07:34.46 | gnarface | Some_Person: as i mentioned before.. the ram could be JUST bad enough to cause this, as could the onboard memory controller have gone similarly out-to-lunch in a semi non-fatal way, but but its just as easily likely that the board you replaced the old one with didn't have the same bios revision and therefore is behaving differently (namely having a bug that wasn't present before) |
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| 07:37.31 | arghx | may I suggest ##hardware? |
| 07:37.57 | gnarface | yea this is off topic. i know :( |
| 07:38.10 | gnarface | i was just trying to be a renegade and help out while the channel was so low traffic |
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| 07:38.29 | Some_Person | gnarface: Ok, which of these would you trust to be my latest BIOS? The first was found by searching for M-6866 on Gateway's site and choosing Downloads. The other two are from a Google search. http://support.gateway.com/us/en/product/default.aspx?partNumber=1015670R and http://support.gateway.com/support/drivers/search.asp?ref=std&st=browse&platform=10022&model=12033&os=&type=10079&mfg=&bios=&ext=1 and http://support.gatewa |
| 07:38.29 | Some_Person | y.com/support/drivers/getFile.asp?id=21976&dscr=BIOS%20Updated%20(GL960/GM965)%20Version%2095.10&uid=31149035 |
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| 07:38.39 | Some_Person | oops |
| 07:38.41 | gnarface | cause its hard to find anyone actually helpful in ##hardware. their answer for everything is "OMGZ you must now buy the newest gaming rig or kill self!" |
| 07:38.50 | arghx | well, it goes on for an hour now... few minutes OT is fine. hours... |
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| 07:43.31 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 07:44.38 | gypsymauro | I've a problem, I've a process that fills in some way the /var directory (a separated partition) but searching for last modified file I can't find something growing, and the strange is that du -s /var is always the same value |
| 07:44.42 | gypsymauro | any hint? |
| 07:44.51 | gypsymauro | df and du difffers |
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| 08:01.28 | julian | Hello, I can't change the number of workspaces in gnome theres no option for it in "Workspace Switcher Preferences", any ideas? |
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| 08:01.43 | saimazoon | I've just updated apt on side and now I can't download the source code of any package using apt-get source |
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| 08:01.51 | saimazoon | Is that normal? |
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| 08:03.18 | gnarface | saimazoon: did you remove the deb-src line from your sources.list before that? |
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| 08:04.01 | saimazoon | no, gnarface |
| 08:04.06 | saimazoon | that's the first thing I checked |
| 08:04.09 | saimazoon | but the line's still there |
| 08:05.38 | gnarface | saimazoon: when you ran apt-get update did it error or anything? maybe it would help if you ran it again and pastebin'd the output |
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| 08:11.01 | Traumatizer | Whenever i try to install or remove something i get an error saying debhelper depends on man-db and man-db isn't configured |
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| 08:11.12 | Traumatizer | Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 08:11.56 | saimazoon | gnarface, it went on seamlessly |
| 08:12.58 | gnarface | Traumatizer: dpkg-reconfigure man-db? (just guessing here) |
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| 08:13.43 | gnarface | saimazoon: maybe the problem is with the source. http://mirror.debian.org/status.html have you looked here for a different one to try? |
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| 08:15.09 | Traumatizer | gmarface let me try |
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| 08:15.32 | Traumatizer | It returns man-db is broken or not fully installed |
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| 08:15.51 | Traumatizer | but when i do apt-get install man-db it's says it's fulled installed gmarface |
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| 08:21.04 | gnarface | Traumatizer: sounds bad, but there's a force reinstall option for apt-get |
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| 08:22.36 | Traumatizer | gnarface how? |
| 08:22.49 | gnarface | Traumatizer: --reinstall |
| 08:23.22 | Traumatizer | ok :D |
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| 08:28.37 | Polysics | hello |
| 08:28.52 | Polysics | i need to run a ruby script as a specific user and in a specific dir, periodically |
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| 08:29.14 | Polysics | first question is how to run it as an user off cron |
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| 08:30.58 | negaduck | hi! I have no sound. I installed netinst, apt install lxde, which has dependency to linux-sound-base (configured to alsa). Do i have to install alsa to make sound work? |
| 08:31.35 | rozie | negaduck: try installing alsa |
| 08:32.10 | rozie | sound in LXDE works here with alsa |
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| 08:32.38 | fireba11_ | *sigh* need a debian installer with a newer kernel ... |
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| 08:33.12 | fireba11_ | anyone got a pointer where to get one? |
| 08:33.44 | gnarface | uh |
| 08:33.48 | gnarface | !kmutoi |
| 08:33.50 | gnarface | !kmuto |
| 08:33.54 | gnarface | %kmuto |
| 08:33.54 | dselect | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.38) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. |
| 08:33.59 | fireba11_ | an thanks |
| 08:34.22 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:34.31 | fireba11_ | brand new sandy-bridge mainboard, need 2.6.38 for NIC support in the kernel d'oh |
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| 08:36.28 | caloriferul | Hey, i'm getting locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory when setting en_US.UTF-8 and already ran locale-gen, dpkg-reconfigure locales, did an apt-get reinstall install locales and setlocale() returns false for any other locale except C and POSIX. Any pointers on where to go from here to figure out what's wrong? (debian 4) |
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| 08:38.23 | HideMe | When I change my default gateway, I've noticed netstat -r reports both the old and new gateway. Any idea why or how to fix this? |
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| 08:39.06 | scoobertron | Polysics: you could run crontab -e as the user you want the script to run as. Alternatively, you may be able to use sudo -u $USER |
| 08:39.27 | syslq | HideMe: you could flush routing table |
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| 08:40.53 | HideMe | syslq, how? |
| 08:43.38 | syslq | HideMe: ip route flush |
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| 08:46.06 | mabu | HideMe: Alternatively you can delete the needless default-gw entry with: route del 0.0.0.0 netmask 0.0.0.0 gw your-gateway-ip |
| 08:46.36 | Traumatizer | gnarface, apt-get install --reinstall man-db returns an error for missing dependencies of man-db. |
| 08:47.18 | HideMe | syslq, ip route flush returned invalit arg |
| 08:47.22 | HideMe | invalid |
| 08:47.33 | caloriferul | Anyone have any ideea what the cause of the "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" error? |
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| 08:48.05 | gnarface | Traumatizer: i think you Traumatized your package tree. |
| 08:48.11 | HideMe | mabu, that worked, thank you. |
| 08:48.26 | mabu | np |
| 08:48.32 | themill | dselect: tell Traumatizer about bat |
| 08:48.33 | themill | Traumatizer: can you please pastebin the entire output of "aptitude -f install" along with the information dselect just requested of you. |
| 08:49.02 | Traumatizer | should i /msg dselect? |
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| 08:49.43 | Polysics | how do i test a cron job, other than waiting for it to run, if possible? |
| 08:49.48 | Traumatizer | ahh he sent me info now |
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| 08:53.37 | Polysics | i tried with "* * * * * wall test" to see if it was working ,but i am seeing nothing |
| 08:54.00 | Traumatizer | themill here it is: http://paste.debian.net/122651/ |
| 08:55.09 | D4rKr0W | hello |
| 08:55.12 | themill | Traumatizer: "Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y" -> what happened next? I'd let aptitude continue with that plan |
| 08:55.49 | D4rKr0W | is there any way i can run a depmod on a kernel which is not the one running at the moment? |
| 08:55.54 | themill | Traumatizer: btw you don't have a full hard disk do you? |
| 08:55.59 | Traumatizer | I don't |
| 08:56.03 | themill | D4rKr0W: yes, man depmod |
| 08:56.05 | Traumatizer | themill it said reading changelogs |
| 08:56.11 | Traumatizer | 0%>100% |
| 08:56.15 | Traumatizer | done. And showed me a file |
| 08:56.34 | Traumatizer | You want to see this file too? |
| 08:56.52 | themill | Traumatizer: no, that's just apt-listchanges showing you what is going to happen. What happens after that? |
| 08:57.22 | Traumatizer | Nothing |
| 08:57.25 | Traumatizer | i have to exit this window |
| 08:57.34 | Traumatizer | with ctrl+c i think |
| 08:57.45 | themill | Traumatizer: ahh... hit "q" to exit less and then aptitude will continue/ |
| 08:57.54 | Traumatizer | oh yes :D |
| 08:57.58 | Traumatizer | sorry my fault |
| 08:58.17 | themill | Traumatizer: don't worry... you're not the first to have got stuck there |
| 08:58.29 | Traumatizer | Now it's doing a lot |
| 08:58.37 | Traumatizer | Ill paste it when it's finished |
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| 09:02.28 | Traumatizer | still running themill |
| 09:03.05 | themill | Traumatizer: yeah, there were a fair few packages to upgrade there... it should finish successfully in the end though. |
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| 09:04.49 | Traumatizer | themill it didn't finish sucesfully |
| 09:04.55 | Traumatizer | and i think the list is too long to copy |
| 09:05.00 | Traumatizer | the upper part has fallen of the screen |
| 09:05.13 | themill | ok... just run "aptitude -f install" again and pastebin its output |
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| 09:05.26 | jelly | gives Traumatizer the script command |
| 09:05.43 | Traumatizer | ok |
| 09:05.58 | Traumatizer | jelly should i do script aptitude -f install? |
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| 09:06.52 | Traumatizer | nvm |
| 09:06.54 | Traumatizer | i got it |
| 09:06.56 | jelly | Traumatizer: script somelogfile, and all the output of the commands you run inside that shell gets saved into somelogfile |
| 09:07.09 | jelly | exit the shell afterwards |
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| 09:07.31 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 09:07.55 | Traumatizer | http://paste.debian.net/122656/ |
| 09:08.01 | lancelot_of | is it possible to modify usb sticks partition sectors with gparted or partition manager? |
| 09:08.03 | Traumatizer | see there themill |
| 09:08.08 | Traumatizer | thanks for helping me out btw themill |
| 09:08.21 | rozie | lancelot_of: yes |
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| 09:08.56 | themill | Traumatizer: that's... interesting. |
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| 09:09.24 | Traumatizer | Did i do something wrong? |
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| 09:10.34 | themill | Traumatizer: can you "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/man-db.config" |
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| 09:11.07 | Traumatizer | yes i can |
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| 09:11.47 | Traumatizer | Paste it here? |
| 09:11.49 | themill | it should only be a single line -- just paste it here |
| 09:11.49 | Traumatizer | its just 1 line |
| 09:11.51 | Traumatizer | root@DebianJesse:/home/jesse# ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/man-db.config |
| 09:11.52 | Traumatizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 123 Jan 3 2011 /var/lib/dpkg/info/man-db.config |
| 09:11.56 | tanabum | Random question: Is there a way to limit the amount of wakeup signals KWorker recieves? |
| 09:12.16 | lancelot_of | rozie, how to?i'm becoming crazy, i hate that horrible auto run partition on my stick |
| 09:12.18 | themill | Traumatizer: did you manually change the permissions on that file at some stage? |
| 09:12.36 | rozie | lancelot_of: the same way as on hard disk |
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| 09:13.18 | negaduck | how to restore alsamixer defaults? |
| 09:13.19 | Traumatizer | themill no |
| 09:13.23 | Traumatizer | i wouldn't know how to |
| 09:13.31 | lancelot_of | rozie, it seems simple but it's not. i can't see any sector tool on those programs |
| 09:14.07 | Polysics | if i put two commands in a shell script, will one wait fro the other to finish? |
| 09:16.31 | themill | Traumatizer: well, if you "chmod 755 /var/lib/dpkg/info/man-db.config" that will fix that file, but I'm a little worried about how it ended up wrong and whether there may be others there that need fixing. |
| 09:16.35 | Polysics | i know it is a stupid question but i never investigated it |
| 09:17.23 | Traumatizer | themill ok let me try that |
| 09:17.49 | Traumatizer | ok that executed succesfully |
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| 09:17.54 | Traumatizer | You think it's a virus? |
| 09:18.09 | themill | Traumatizer: no, and "aptitude -f install" should now be ok |
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| 09:18.28 | javivvi | yes, polysics, you have to wait until the first one finish |
| 09:18.54 | themill | Traumatizer: was apt interrupted during a package installation at some stage? |
| 09:19.07 | Traumatizer | I don't think so |
| 09:19.11 | Traumatizer | but well it could always be |
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| 09:19.23 | Traumatizer | you mean clicking away the window when i was installing a package? |
| 09:19.57 | themill | Traumatizer: yeah, or a power failure or something while it was actually unpacking the packages (not just showing you the changelogs) |
| 09:20.10 | Traumatizer | Power failure yes |
| 09:20.20 | Traumatizer | We have that ocassionaly |
| 09:20.31 | themill | yeah, that could do it. |
| 09:20.36 | Traumatizer | Wow |
| 09:20.45 | Traumatizer | I'd never have figured this out on my own |
| 09:21.09 | themill | I'd have hoped that apt/dpkg were more robust to that sort of failure, actually. |
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| 09:22.57 | Traumatizer | themill i don't know, thanks for your help :) |
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| 09:24.37 | themill | Traumatizer: no worries. happy hunting |
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| 09:26.29 | themill | balboah: not at all |
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| 09:55.46 | arghx | antivirtel: the firmware .deb package is the right one |
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| 09:55.50 | arghx | %firmware installer |
| 09:56.12 | arghx | %installer firmware |
| 09:56.13 | dselect | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 10:03.54 | antivirtel | ok, thanks arghx |
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| 10:09.55 | hanibana | hi. where this http_proxy variable have been documented? |
| 10:09.57 | Baribal | Hi. I tried adding an existing user to an existing group, following the example at http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-add-user-to-group/ which says I should "useradd -a -G sudo sh", which results in "useradd: invalid option -- 'a'". So, what should I *actually* do? |
| 10:10.36 | ikonia | Baribal: useradd doesn't have a -a flag |
| 10:11.23 | antivirtel | and arghx the wiki writes only untested methods... I have only to place the .deb next to the netboot .img ? |
| 10:11.48 | Baribal | Yessss, that much I gathered from the output... Let me rephrase: What is the correct command to add the existing user X to group Y? |
| 10:12.01 | ikonia | Baribal: it's clearly stated in that guide if you read it |
| 10:12.11 | ikonia | Baribal: hint your not adding a user - you're modifying one |
| 10:12.18 | saimazoon | hello, when I try to download source packages i get the following error |
| 10:12.19 | saimazoon | E: Ignore unavailable target release 'lenny' of package 'irssi' |
| 10:12.19 | saimazoon | E: Unable to find a source package for |
| 10:12.26 | saimazoon | why might this be happening? |
| 10:15.37 | ArdRigh | I don't seem to have squeeze updates in my sources.list :\ |
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| 10:21.25 | Baribal | Okay, after rereading the website for three times, I finally found my mistake which consisted of three letters in small type which are skipped easily in my reading pattern recognition. So thank you for the hint, that helped. But, seriously, would it have hurt to i.e. ask "Are you sure you don't mean usermod?"? |
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| 10:24.27 | optraz | !ati |
| 10:24.33 | optraz | ~ati |
| 10:24.33 | apt | hmm... ati is http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release Ati is crap, live with it. |
| 10:24.55 | optraz | ~radeon |
| 10:24.55 | apt | i heard radeon is the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported |
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| 10:25.42 | optraz | what is the instruction to install driver for Radeon HD 5000M Series |
| 10:25.45 | k-man | can debian be installed on an HP AiO 1200 storage server? does it support the HP raid controllers? |
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| 10:27.21 | bzed | k-man: it should, but without some pci ids and so on nobody will be able to tell you |
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| 10:28.15 | k-man | bzed, so I should just stick an install DVD into it and give it ago I guess |
| 10:28.41 | ArdRigh | that information from the apt bot is so horribly wrong |
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| 10:29.42 | ArdRigh | optraz: it depends if you need 3D acceleration (eg play games) or not |
| 10:30.03 | ArdRigh | optraz: if you need 3D acceleration, you need the AMD/ATI Catalyst driver |
| 10:30.12 | ArdRigh | otherwise you can use the opensource driver |
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| 10:31.00 | optraz | ArdRigh: yes, i need game |
| 10:31.02 | optraz | any bot here? |
| 10:31.36 | bzed | k-man: or boot grml |
| 10:31.45 | k-man | grml? |
| 10:31.49 | bzed | ~grml |
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| 10:32.01 | bzed | where are the bots :( |
| 10:32.04 | bzed | ~grml |
| 10:32.07 | bzed | !grml |
| 10:32.09 | bzed | gah |
| 10:32.11 | bzed | :D |
| 10:32.13 | k-man | ah, interesting |
| 10:32.22 | bzed | k-man: grml.org |
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| 10:32.24 | k-man | thanks bzed, I'll have a look at that |
| 10:33.49 | k-man | does grml come with any kind of ntfs drivesr? |
| 10:33.52 | k-man | drivers |
| 10:34.01 | babilen | ArdRigh: optraz was using the wrong (outdated bot) -- dselect has a recent version of the database. And radeon does 3D acceleration as well. |
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| 10:34.25 | babilen | %radeon |
| 10:34.25 | dselect | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 10:34.32 | bzed | k-man: yeah |
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| 10:36.32 | ArdRigh | question, are there packages for postgresql 9 in debian ? |
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| 10:36.46 | ArdRigh | I am using 'squeeze' |
| 10:37.05 | rozie | ArdRigh: take a look on backports.debian.org |
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| 10:37.30 | optraz | fglrx |
| 10:37.34 | optraz | ~fglrx |
| 10:37.38 | optraz | !fglrx |
| 10:37.42 | skilz | is there some kind of steam chat client/plugin for debian? |
| 10:37.44 | optraz | %fglrx |
| 10:37.44 | dselect | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:37.50 | skilz | so I can chat to my steam buddies... |
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| 10:38.11 | ArdRigh | rozie: thanks |
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| 10:41.43 | casts | skilz: google would answer that better than us, who generally avoid such things |
| 10:42.24 | skilz | casts: what are the chances of this working for me? http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156758 |
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| 10:43.24 | casts | skilz: 7 year old instructions.....i wouldn't count on it |
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| 10:49.15 | skilz | how do I get a font installed called tahoma.ttf |
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| 10:53.29 | psiklops | place it in: /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 10:53.37 | psiklops | or something like that |
| 10:53.56 | skilz | wine: could not load L"Z:\\home\\skilz\\Downloads\\SteamInstall.msi": Bad EXE format for |
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| 11:08.37 | Guest-892 | nsadmin: gnarface: thanks |
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| 11:10.37 | noo | hello. I just read tht "shutdown -h now" will halt the system and then either power it off or not depending on the system settings. Can somebody tell me where I can find these settings to make it power off automatically? This might solve my actual problme of turning off, then I ask him to do from gnome |
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| 11:12.36 | gnarface | Guest-892: i don't even remember being helpful but uh... you're welcome, i guess? |
| 11:12.59 | optraz | is there instruction on wheezy radeon? |
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| 11:13.28 | gnarface | noo: i think they mean that you have to have apm/acpi (depending on your system bios features) wired up properly in your kernel modules for the "power off automatically" part to happen. |
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| 11:14.36 | Sefid_Par | When do you think the next debian release come? |
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| 11:15.04 | joltcan | When it's ready |
| 11:15.13 | amphi | Sefid_Par: after some time ;) |
| 11:15.20 | gnarface | noo: usually on modern systems with stock kernels its sufficient to simply not disable acpi. if your bios predates acpi (apm) or has weird bugs (transitional period of early acpi/apm dual feature bioses) you may need to customize stuff |
| 11:15.26 | joltcan | Sefid_Par: They do a freee every year or, so sometime after that freeze |
| 11:15.27 | Sefid_Par | Wow :) |
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| 11:15.35 | optraz | any bot here? |
| 11:15.47 | noo | gnarface: so you would say I should give disabeling acpi in the bios a try? |
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| 11:15.49 | paxcoder | optraz: dpkg |
| 11:15.58 | babilen | %tell optraz -about dselectbot |
| 11:16.07 | amphi | heh |
| 11:16.08 | babilen | paxcoder: dpkg is on vacation, dselect is there |
| 11:16.18 | paxcoder | dwat? |
| 11:16.21 | imdea | hi anyone knows how to put a password to the admin user of openldap in debian 6? it seems like the admin user (cn=config) doesn't come with one |
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| 11:16.29 | amphi | babilen: great name ;) |
| 11:16.36 | optraz | paxcoder: thanks |
| 11:16.41 | noo | gnarface: the problem is that when shutting down from my desktop enviroment. it shuts down, but then I see a black screen and it doesn't power off, so I think thats actually the same problem |
| 11:16.51 | gnarface | noo: i'm saying that if it doesn't already work for you then you must have either disabled it in the bios or in the kernel, unless you are unfortunate enough to have one of the pieces of hardware that requires special custom tweaking |
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| 11:17.27 | optraz | there is no instructino on wheezy radeon.. |
| 11:17.29 | paxcoder | redirects optraz' thx to babilen |
| 11:17.35 | noo | gnarface: so I shoult try to turn it on? :D |
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| 11:17.54 | paxcoder | amphi: share the insight about the bot name? |
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| 11:18.07 | gnarface | noo: first question: Do you have these two packages installed? acpi-support-base acpid |
| 11:18.08 | Sefid_Par | In wikipedia had written It will come on 2013: Wheezy |
| 11:18.24 | babilen | optraz: FWIW -- There is a specific channel (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net) for wheezy/sid questions -- But you are probably looking for "radeon" or "radeon dkms" |
| 11:18.34 | gnarface | noo: second question: what kernel version are you using? (uname -a) |
| 11:18.50 | amphi | paxcoder: I recall being filled with alarm and despondency the first time I saw dselect |
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| 11:19.35 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.38 | optraz | babilen: yes, i ask dselect on radeon, all it give is the link for squuze not wheezy |
| 11:19.46 | kotique | what's the current way of managing init scripts? |
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| 11:20.02 | babilen | paxcoder: "apt-cache show dselect" |
| 11:20.06 | saimazoon | Hello |
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| 11:20.19 | arghx | optraz: wheezy has multiarch trouble IIRC people had luck with downgrading |
| 11:20.28 | saimazoon | I did an update a few hours ago, and then tried to download the source of a package, irssi |
| 11:20.32 | Sefid_Par | Hi, saimazoon |
| 11:20.37 | saimazoon | This is the message I get when I try to do it |
| 11:20.41 | saimazoon | E: Ignore unavailable target release 'lenny' of package 'irssi' |
| 11:20.41 | saimazoon | E: Unable to find a source package for |
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| 11:20.56 | arghx | %tell saimazoon about bat |
| 11:21.02 | babilen | optraz: The installation procedure is more or less the same -- But please check http://bugs.debian.org first the recent development. IIRC fglrx was fine as was radeon, nvidia is not. But I am not entirely sure about the latest status. |
| 11:21.05 | optraz | arghx: multiarch? |
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| 11:21.16 | babilen | %tell saimazoon -about bat |
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| 11:21.34 | babilen | saimazoon: Throw in your sources.list and additional configuration (apt.conf) as well. |
| 11:22.08 | arghx | %multiarch |
| 11:22.08 | dselect | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. For further details see http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch http://lists.debian.org/20110627105453.GC31198@virgil.dodds.net |
| 11:22.39 | noo | gnarface: acpid is installed and acpi-support-base is not. I find out the kernel version as soon as I get back the notebook |
| 11:23.11 | saimazoon | deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 11:23.11 | saimazoon | deb-src http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 11:23.16 | saimazoon | that's all I've got on my sources.list |
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| 11:23.34 | saimazoon | APT::Default-Release "lenny"; |
| 11:23.38 | saimazoon | this is on apt.conf |
| 11:23.41 | babilen | saimazoon: On a pastebin! And provide the complete output of your aptitude/apt-get run as well as ... |
| 11:23.42 | imdea | hi anyone knows how to put a password to the admin user of openldap in debian 6? it seems like the admin user (cn=config) doesn't come with one |
| 11:23.43 | saimazoon | looks like I should change something here |
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| 11:23.48 | saimazoon | alright |
| 11:23.58 | amphi | sid… |
| 11:24.35 | babilen | saimazoon: And you are definitely doing it wrong. Which version of Debian did you install? Which version do you want to run? (I would argue that anything other than the current stable (i.e. squeeze) is out of the question) |
| 11:24.57 | saimazoon | I wanted to update to sid |
| 11:24.58 | xindz | Im getting "kernel: Not cloning cgroup for unused subsystem ns" all over my /var/log/messages file. Something to worry about? |
| 11:25.02 | saimazoon | that's actually what I did |
| 11:25.08 | saimazoon | changing the lines in sources.conf |
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| 11:25.17 | Repox | Hi. Just installed postfix and courier-imap. I seem to be able to send emails locally to my virtual aliases in postfix, but mail from the outside doesn't come through. My mail logs doesn't reveal anything - or I don't know what to look for. Any tips? |
| 11:25.21 | babilen | saimazoon: Did you already install packages from sid? What does "apt-show-versions|grep -e '/sid'" give you? |
| 11:25.55 | saimazoon | I don't have that command on my syste, |
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| 11:26.19 | babilen | saimazoon: Upgrade from what? Please read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and consider your choice of running sid. You system *will* be horribly broken sometimes and you have to be able to fix that. |
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| 11:26.25 | babilen | saimazoon: Then installit! |
| 11:26.54 | saimazoon | too late for that |
| 11:26.56 | saimazoon | i'm already on sid |
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| 11:28.35 | saimazoon | all of my packages are already sid's, babilen |
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| 11:29.36 | babilen | saimazoon: Why do you set the default release to lenny then? It is not even in your sources.list! I would also recommend to stick to either "sid" or "unstable" in your sources.list -- All that being said: There is a #debian-next channel, but once again: I think you should stay with stable for the time being. You can consider upgrading to wheezy once the waves the transitions are making have settled |
| 11:30.03 | xindz | Im getting "kernel: Not cloning cgroup for unused subsystem ns" all over my /var/log/messages file. Something to worry about? |
| 11:30.11 | babilen | saimazoon: I would expect wheezy to be suitable for usage in about 2-8 months. But don't quote me on that. |
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| 11:31.02 | Bushmills | Repox: try to telnet, from remote, to your postfix server, on port 25 |
| 11:31.31 | Bushmills | if you're refused, review firewall, routers, or interfaces postfix is bound to |
| 11:31.42 | babilen | saimazoon: But to address your immediate problem: It is due to setting the default release. Why lenny? |
| 11:31.43 | paxcoder | %multiarch |
| 11:31.43 | dselect | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. For further details see http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch http://lists.debian.org/20110627105453.GC31198@virgil.dodds.net |
| 11:32.02 | crilly | Hi guys and gals. I'm having some issues doing a dist-upgrade of a Lenny system in that apt can't contact the remote systems. Even in its current state, using the Lenny repositories, it is unable to contact the remote systems to download anything (but it can ping the servers perfectly). We're using the.earth.li as a mirror. I have not tried using another mirror as of yet. Here is our source.list file: http://pastebin.com/tEGpWYtm and here is the error: |
| 11:32.11 | paxcoder | i've read that first link. i've read the factoid. i still have one question: what is multiarch? |
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| 11:34.30 | themill | paxcoder: it's the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. |
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| 11:35.20 | paxcoder | themill: and there is no funny business in the package? no extra addons, no VMs, nothing? friggin magnets, how do they work? |
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| 11:35.47 | themill | libraries are put into directories that define what arch they relate to |
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| 11:36.53 | themill | http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libc6/filelist for example -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 rather than just /lib/libc.so.6 that you find in squeeze |
| 11:37.05 | paxcoder | themill: so it's actually just a unified (read: bloated) package? |
| 11:37.21 | themill | how do you figure that? |
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| 11:38.25 | paxcoder | themill: i still don't see how anyone would run an amd64 binary on an arm for eg. |
| 11:38.34 | paxcoder | *be able to |
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| 11:39.30 | jelly | paxcoder: qemu |
| 11:39.32 | themill | i386 can run on amd64 and there are other similar pairings of archs where this is actually possible directly; beyond that, think about cross-compiling and even qemu |
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| 11:40.36 | paxcoder | themill: are these projects actually suggesting using qemu or compilation of some source files from the package, or is it like "share what you can, package what is specific" kind of thing? |
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| 11:41.31 | themill | I have no idea what you're asking. Debian's multiarch work is to allow you to install libc6:i386 and libc6:amd64 on the same machine. |
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| 11:42.22 | SDr | hi there! |
| 11:42.42 | lancelot_of | hi all i need help.On wheezy X session freezes, the same system on two different machines, so i guess it could be a distro bug.Does anyone know how to fix?It's really annoying |
| 11:42.57 | arghx | what drivers? |
| 11:42.58 | SDr | our debian webserver went down earlier this morning; powercycle brought it back. no trace of the problem in /var/log/syslog . where should I look next to get to the root cause of this problem, and proactively eliminate it? |
| 11:42.59 | paxcoder | thx for helping |
| 11:43.06 | paxcoder | i'm off. |
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| 11:43.33 | Digdilem | SDr, check all other logs at the time, including apache's (in case it was an exploit). |
| 11:43.33 | SDr | went down, as in: no response on terminal, or any network connection (it's in a colo) |
| 11:43.41 | lancelot_of | arghx, video-intel |
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| 11:43.55 | Digdilem | SDr, if nothing comes to light, install lots of logging software and wait for it to go splat again (munin for a start) |
| 11:44.04 | arghx | lancelot_of: you could try vesa? not really any other choices :( |
| 11:44.11 | Digdilem | SDr, check temps and voltages with sensors too |
| 11:44.16 | jelly | and magnets are not "friggin" |
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| 11:44.34 | SDr | Digdilem, sensors report: in6: +4.08 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) ALARM |
| 11:44.40 | SDr | on ISA adapter |
| 11:44.50 | arghx | SDr: do you have any ISA adapters? |
| 11:44.52 | SDr | (only "ALARM" sign) -is this a problem? |
| 11:44.59 | lancelot_of | arghx, vesa on intel HD 3000?is it a good setup? |
| 11:45.05 | Digdilem | if that's not supposed to be 4v, you could have a wobbly psu - munin will graph temps nicely and give you more of a picture |
| 11:45.34 | arghx | lancelot_of: it's not accelerated at all. it sucks. but it's for troubleshooting to check if it's the driver. and HD3000 could very well be buggy since it's new |
| 11:45.50 | jelly | SDr: lm_sensors are often not configured correctly -- don't read too much into that |
| 11:45.58 | arghx | Digdilem: very few current hardware has ISA still. and ISA is a 5V bus |
| 11:45.58 | nsadmin | magnet.frig() |
| 11:46.57 | arghx | SDr: at this time of year, temperatures are the most likely suspect for sudden crashs. not the only one but still first on the list |
| 11:47.14 | arghx | that is, if you are in the northern hemisphere |
| 11:47.38 | SDr | arghx, colo in London |
| 11:47.40 | jelly | SDr: you'd need to figure out which sensor chip is there, then figure out what its "in6" input is really reading, and then figure out how exactly to map that integer number to voltage -- any of those steps may be incorrect |
| 11:47.52 | lancelot_of | arghx, but on the other machine the chipset is not accelerated, even if it uses the same driver, it's intel 945GME |
| 11:48.08 | jelly | SDr: it might not be measuring voltage at all |
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| 11:50.08 | lancelot_of | arghx, so maybe the driver could be bugged, not th chipset in itself? |
| 11:50.34 | SDr | ok, more basic question: what editor can open a 1.6gb log file, jump to the end, and scroll upwards quickly without reading the whole file's content? midnight commander fail. |
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| 11:51.24 | rook2pawn | SDr: probably not an editor |
| 11:51.30 | lancelot_of | SDr, emacs?You could try emacs -nw without slow X effects |
| 11:51.31 | SDr | okay, viewer then? |
| 11:51.59 | Digdilem | tail -n 200 and pgup |
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| 11:52.55 | SDr | Digdilem, awesome! |
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| 11:53.59 | SDr | okay, last lines in httpd logs were: |
| 11:54.10 | SDr | 208.76.245.135 - - [12/Jul/2011:02:16:57 +0100] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 13032 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; mon.itor.us - free m |
| 11:54.10 | SDr | onitoring service; http://mon.itor.us)" |
| 11:54.11 | SDr | 83.138.130.159 - - [12/Jul/2011:02:20:01 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" 200 395 "-" "SiteUptime.com" |
| 11:54.11 | SDr | 94.174.90.156 - - [12/Jul/2011:06:34:27 +0100] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 15155 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKi |
| 11:54.11 | SDr | t/534.30 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/12.0.742.112 Safari/534.30" |
| 11:54.33 | SDr | so hopefully not an exploit |
| 11:54.40 | SDr | onwards installing munin now. |
| 11:54.40 | lancelot_of | arghx, ? |
| 11:54.52 | nsadmin | is not a cop nor does he act like one, so I won't comment on the flood |
| 11:55.07 | SDr | sorry about flood |
| 11:55.32 | jelly | %paste |
| 11:55.32 | dselect | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 11:57.21 | Bushmills | is not a behavioural analyst so he won't comment on nsadmin announcing what he's *not* going to do |
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| 12:00.56 | optraz | how to check if the driver is fglrx? |
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| 12:03.27 | flypp | optraz, you could try -> grep "loading" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:04.23 | optraz | [ 32.952] (II) Unloading synaptics |
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| 12:05.02 | flypp | sorry optraz |
| 12:05.11 | flypp | grep -i "loading" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:05.55 | optraz | which one? |
| 12:05.58 | optraz | there are many there |
| 12:06.22 | optraz | [ 27.204] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/fglrx/libglx.so ? |
| 12:06.24 | optraz | that one? |
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| 12:07.43 | flypp | yep optraz |
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| 12:08.02 | optraz | ok, but when i run glxinfo it printed Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig |
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| 12:11.12 | flypp | mmmmm... optraz , wheezy? |
| 12:11.40 | arghx | yes wheezy. where fglrx (and nvidia) are currently broken due to multiarch transition |
| 12:11.41 | optraz | yes, wheezy |
| 12:12.14 | flypp | optraz, check this -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630592 |
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| 12:13.45 | optraz | ok, it is fixed.. |
| 12:14.45 | optraz | but itis not in the repo? |
| 12:14.46 | optraz | :-s |
| 12:15.04 | babilen | optraz: It is fixed in sid, not wheezy |
| 12:15.32 | babilen | optraz: I also like to mention that a bunch of people in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net know about these problems. |
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| 12:16.03 | flypp | optraz, yep, you can wait or dowload latest version of packages |
| 12:16.11 | optraz | ok, if it is fixed in unstable, when are them going to release for testing/wheezy? |
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| 12:16.36 | nsadmin | when? |
| 12:16.44 | nsadmin | how can one tell... |
| 12:18.12 | nsadmin | a package in unstable leaks into testing automatically (if not frozen) if it is bug free for some period, last I heard two weeks |
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| 12:19.12 | babilen | optraz: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=fglrx-driver |
| 12:19.23 | flypp | optraz, just go to http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/fglrx-driver/ and download fglrx's packages |
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| 12:19.57 | babilen | I would rather recommend to set the default release and pull from sid |
| 12:20.14 | optraz | hmmm |
| 12:20.19 | optraz | probably i will wait |
| 12:20.20 | babilen | optraz: But you probably know that already |
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| 12:22.42 | laughtrip | right now i have done the setups as i found them on muzso.hu and sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/FAQ and still the users log in to the / directory instead of their own /home/username |
| 12:22.49 | optraz | and the headphone also break? :D |
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| 12:24.59 | rhineheart_m | hi all! how to change dhcp to static? using debian squeeze here.. |
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| 12:25.12 | arghx | optraz: is the radeon driver not working for you? |
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| 12:25.25 | arghx | rhineheart_m: edit /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces |
| 12:25.30 | optraz | arghx: yes, it is not, fglinfo not outputing.. |
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| 12:25.54 | arghx | optraz: fglrxinfo only works with fglrx. I asked about the radeon driver. the driver named "radeon", NOT fglrx |
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| 12:26.15 | arghx | radeon is the free, open source driver. fglrx is the proprietary one |
| 12:26.16 | rook2pawn | rhineheart_m: ifconfig wlan0 IP_ADDRESS |
| 12:26.26 | rook2pawn | rhineheart_m: or whatever your interface |
| 12:26.35 | optraz | arghx: ok, so how do i check if the 3d driver is used? |
| 12:27.19 | arghx | check Xorg.0.log. either lots of "radeon" or lots of "fglrx" lines in there |
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| 12:28.09 | rook2pawn | arghx: would it appear in dmesg? |
| 12:28.20 | rook2pawn | arghx: if you wanted to know what driver was loaded |
| 12:28.21 | optraz | i think it is fglrx |
| 12:28.51 | arghx | optraz: I didn't ask what it is, I asked if/why "radeon" wouldn't work |
| 12:29.11 | arghx | rook2pawn: the kernel module will show up there but that doesn't mean Xorg is using it necessarily |
| 12:29.19 | optraz | arghx: idont know? |
| 12:29.40 | arghx | only wanted to give you a suggestion. fi you don't care, so I don't either |
| 12:30.14 | rhineheart_m | I tried it this way.. http://pastebin.com/42YJwm2f but it's not working.. |
| 12:30.35 | rhineheart_m | that's why I asked in here.. I thought there's a new method of doing it with squeeze |
| 12:30.58 | rook2pawn | optraz: for what its worth i have a the new radeon integrated cpu thing (6130 or something) and squeeze makes it work right |
| 12:31.46 | babilen | optraz: Please try the radeon driver, AFAICT it works without problems in sid. /msg dselect radeon -- /msg dselect firmware radeon |
| 12:32.11 | babilen | optraz: You'll also have to remove your fglrx specific configuration. |
| 12:32.41 | optraz | ok |
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| 12:33.23 | arghx | rhineheart_m: what part is not working? |
| 12:34.00 | arghx | optraz: remove all fglrx packages _and_ change/remove your xorg.conf file(s) |
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| 12:34.45 | arghx | rhineheart_m: looks alright to me, you only need to set the DNS server in your /etc/resolv.conf and you're good to go |
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| 12:46.51 | rhineheart_m | is it okay if the nameserver is the IP of the gateway? |
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| 12:50.19 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | Hello, is debian testing a rolling release edition, just like Arch linux? |
| 12:50.22 | Holborn | rhineheart_m: nameserver meants the dns nameservers |
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| 12:51.18 | themill | dselect: tell aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa about testing |
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| 12:53.49 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | themill: Thanks! |
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| 12:57.25 | rhineheart_m | after changing it to static.. I got this error" "running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces... (warning) |
| 12:57.40 | arghx | hignore it |
| 12:57.42 | arghx | -h |
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| 13:00.53 | rhineheart_m | restart the machine? |
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| 13:01.17 | arghx | no need |
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| 13:01.50 | arghx | if the new IP is set (networking restart should have done this) and the DNS server is set in resolv.conf it's done |
| 13:02.10 | rhineheart_m | thanks.. |
| 13:02.19 | rhineheart_m | it's now working |
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| 13:03.34 | rhineheart_m | can anyone please recommend an inventory software which is web-based (hardware/software) |
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| 13:05.32 | patr | GLPI? |
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| 13:06.24 | rhineheart_m | thanks patr.. aside from that... ? |
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| 13:08.01 | NuclearMeltdown | What's the command to make gdm3 not start at boot? |
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| 13:11.51 | arghx | !nodm |
| 13:11.55 | arghx | %nodm |
| 13:11.55 | dselect | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 13:12.01 | shlomi-debian | Hi all. |
| 13:12.04 | eldowan | so has dpkg been replaced with dselect? |
| 13:12.05 | Sivart | How would one go about upgrading all but a few select packages on a system? Did an apt-get upgrade and saw that it wants to upgrade my mediawiki installation, but id rather it not |
| 13:12.13 | jelly | eldowan: dpkg is on sick leave |
| 13:12.13 | arghx | eldowan: holiday for dpkg |
| 13:12.21 | eldowan | aah |
| 13:12.31 | arghx | %tell Sivart about hold |
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| 13:13.00 | shlomi-debian | http://paste.debian.net/122686/ - I'm getting this when trying to apt-get remove an old kernel. What can I do? |
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| 13:13.22 | rajkosto | hey guys |
| 13:13.24 | dclarke | is there a way to get around the Google+ site saying that IceWeasel is not a supported browser ? thus : http://www.blastwave.org/images/Google_plus_browser_not_supported.png |
| 13:13.25 | rajkosto | http://iandoh.com/4310152011.png |
| 13:13.39 | rajkosto | my computer is hanging there |
| 13:13.40 | rajkosto | every time |
| 13:13.46 | rajkosto | how do i make it skip proftpd |
| 13:13.47 | shlomi-debian | Oh, it was removed now. Hmmm... |
| 13:14.01 | rajkosto | proftpd config is default |
| 13:14.03 | rajkosto | i didnt change anything |
| 13:14.11 | jelly | shlomi-debian: find out which package has Version: all and deal with it swiftly |
| 13:14.44 | jelly | shlomi-debian: dpkg didn't necessarily complain about the package that was being removed, but about something [else] in its database |
| 13:14.46 | themill | shlomi-debian: those are just warnings -- there's a package around with a dodgy version string on your machine. "aptitude search ~vall" might find it for you, otherwise we'll have to dig further |
| 13:14.55 | arghx | rajkosto: uninstall proftpd? |
| 13:15.05 | rajkosto | what can i do from there |
| 13:15.15 | arghx | rajkosto: you can remove it. easiest is to use rcconf |
| 13:15.21 | rajkosto | how |
| 13:15.22 | arghx | so it never starts, even when you wait a bit? |
| 13:15.23 | rajkosto | im stuck here |
| 13:15.26 | rajkosto | nope |
| 13:15.37 | arghx | safe boot? |
| 13:15.43 | rajkosto | i cant reboot |
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| 13:16.11 | MarconM | where i get the link for torrent debian squeeze i386 ? |
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| 13:16.38 | arghx | rather: reocvery mode |
| 13:16.38 | MarconM | !ping |
| 13:16.51 | rajkosto | arghx, how do i make it reboot from there ? |
| 13:16.55 | arghx | MarconM: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
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| 13:17.26 | arghx | rajkosto: ctrl+alt+dl? reset button on PC? |
| 13:17.28 | MarconM | arghx: thanks ... but has a lot ISO |
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| 13:17.41 | MarconM | wich a must to make donwload |
| 13:17.42 | arghx | MarconM: you need CD1 or netinst only |
| 13:17.48 | MarconM | debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 13:17.48 | rajkosto | arghx, i dont have physical access |
| 13:17.54 | MarconM | ok |
| 13:18.05 | shlomi-debian | themill, http://paste.debian.net/122687/ |
| 13:18.07 | arghx | rajkosto: I cannot tell you how to reset your server. ask your hoster? |
| 13:18.12 | rajkosto | so pressing ctrl alt del |
| 13:18.14 | rajkosto | will reboot it ? |
| 13:18.24 | rajkosto | arghx, if i ask my hoster they just reboot it whenever they feel like it |
| 13:18.27 | rajkosto | i cant choose reovery mode |
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| 13:19.08 | themill | shlomi-debian: bah sorry... should have been "aptitude search ~Vall" (uppercase V) |
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| 13:19.58 | rajkosto | i pressed ctrl alt del |
| 13:20.00 | rajkosto | and now its stuck |
| 13:20.21 | rajkosto | http://i.imgur.com/HqkzZ.png |
| 13:20.26 | shlomi-debian | themill, http://paste.debian.net/122688/ |
| 13:20.30 | arghx | rajkosto: ask your hoster. say you have a bad boot sequence. we cannot help you |
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| 13:22.52 | dclarke | fark ! how do I get 32-bit libstdc++.so.6.0.13 ? |
| 13:23.39 | themill | shlomi-debian: gah... we should have asked aptitude to show us the version number too.. I guess I wasn't expecting it to exist in the version strings. |
| 13:23.51 | themill | ,versions libphonon4 |
| 13:23.51 | judd | Package libphonon4 on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.2.0-2; squeeze: 4:4.6.0really4.4.2-1; sid: 4:4.6.0really4.5.0-4; wheezy: 4:4.6.0really4.5.0-4 |
| 13:23.59 | themill | but there's crap like that to contend with.... |
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| 13:26.49 | arghx | themill: what horror is this? |
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| 13:28.58 | BeBoo_ | Hey everyone. I'm having a slight issue with two linux VMs. They are running Debian. Im hoping you all can help me determine what the cause/fix is. After about 12-24 hrs, the server locks up. I can ssh to it but it won't load up a prompt. Any existing connection still works but when i try to run something, it just hangs. I left top open one day on console and there is no CPU usage and very |
| 13:28.58 | BeBoo_ | little memory usage. What can I use to track this problem down? |
| 13:29.30 | Big_Brother | is ext3 supposed ot use nearly 23GB for a 1.5TB drive, single partition? |
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| 13:31.43 | Bushmills | should use more. about 75 GiB |
| 13:31.57 | D4rKr0W | is this info correct? http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_assign_multiple_IP_addresses - the datacenter has an article about adding addresses but they're saying interface aliases are not reccomended anymore |
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| 13:32.23 | D4rKr0W | having never done this, i don't know who i should trust :\ |
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| 13:33.30 | Bushmills | D4rKr0W: sounds right. not having looked at the page, i suppose it used multiple up ip addr ... dev ... in your interfaces file |
| 13:33.32 | themill | shlomi-debian: I don't know which of these packages is the problem, but I'd guess it's one of those two font packages. Have a look at the output of "aptitude search ~o" to see if you've got left over packages from previous upgrades. |
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| 13:34.40 | shlomi-debian | themill, I don't see any packages named all in aptitude versions ~Vall - only $something-really. |
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| 13:35.32 | D4rKr0W | Bushmills: sorry i'm not following |
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| 13:35.52 | shlomi-debian | How can I remove packages without upgrading the rest? |
| 13:35.59 | shlomi-debian | apt-get remove wants to upgrade them. |
| 13:36.02 | Bushmills | D4rKr0W: your choice |
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| 13:38.57 | shlomi-debian | Anyone? |
| 13:39.21 | adminewb | how can bootlogd get configured to start? does it have to be built into initrd? man page seems to cover anything but that |
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| 13:40.00 | D4rKr0W | Bushmills: thanks :P |
| 13:41.04 | D4rKr0W | if only the manual on my datacenter would not be written in german i'd have go at the procedure they reccomend.. |
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| 13:41.09 | Bushmills | shlomi-debian: aptitude remove/purge shouldn't upgrade, unless it needs a package to resolve a dependency created by that removed/purged package |
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| 13:41.21 | skilz | whats the command to set my background black? |
| 13:41.23 | ghoulsblade | heya, can anyone recommend a good guide for upgrading from etch to squeeze ? one found via google says : aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude : but that results in libc being uninstalled, and went horrible-i-m-glad-i-made-a-backup during my last attempt |
| 13:42.04 | llimeht | ghoulsblade: etch->squeeze is not supported; upgrade to lenny first as described in the release notes. /msg dselect etch->lenny; /msg dselect lenny->squeeze |
| 13:42.28 | ghoulsblade | llimeht, cool thanks =) |
| 13:42.47 | adminewb | bootlogd? how's it get started? |
| 13:42.52 | Bushmills | shlomi-debian: but in that case you'd be prompted, and a list of solutions offered, from which you'd choose how to solve the situation |
| 13:43.34 | skilz | whats the command to set my background black? |
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| 13:43.48 | shlomi-debian | Bushmills, OK, thanks. |
| 13:43.53 | llimeht | dselect: tell skilz about repeat |
| 13:44.07 | Bushmills | ghoulsblade: i think the usual recommendations are to either etch -> lenny -> squeeze, or fresh squeeze install |
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| 13:44.25 | flo` | hi |
| 13:44.50 | flo` | i have problems with printing on my debian system over a network laser printer |
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| 13:45.26 | Bushmills | flo`: we have problems understanding what your problems might be |
| 13:45.39 | flo` | most files work flawlessly, but when i try to print certain .PDF files, gs takes 90% of my CPU but never finishes |
| 13:45.58 | flo` | ("never" means "does not finish in one hour". after a hour, i killed gs) |
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| 13:46.14 | noo | hello I'm having a debian squeeze and I have the following completely weird bug. my usb keyboard does not work/react at all(caps light doesn't change and so on...) under X shortly after a computer startup. if I ssh the same machine and do an chvt 1, to try the same keyboard on tty1, then it does work! The keyboard is recognized "properly" and the X logs don't show anything suspicious. Any hints or recommendation on how to proceed in finding this b |
| 13:46.29 | flo` | this problem is with evince, epdfview, lpr from the command line, xpdf |
| 13:46.48 | flo` | running pdf2ps on the file and then printing that file via gv or lpr also doesn't work |
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| 13:47.07 | eldowan | flo`: i've had the same issue before, if you find a solution, i'd love to hear it. |
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| 13:47.43 | flo` | eldowan, "have had"? why don't you have it any more? |
| 13:47.57 | Bushmills | flo`, can you display those pdf files with evince or xdf or other? |
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| 13:48.13 | Bushmills | xpdf ... |
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| 13:48.29 | flo` | Bushmills, evince or epdfview work perfectly well, xpdf also displays them but takes pretty long for building a page |
| 13:48.33 | eldowan | flo`: it was a one off issue i had with apdf that wouldn't print at all, even in windows. one of the guys at the office did /something/ and then it worked fine after that. I'm not sure what it was though. I just assumed it was a badly formed pdf or soemething |
| 13:49.06 | eldowan | in my case pdf2ps wouldn't even complete, so that's what made me assume it was a malformed pdf |
| 13:49.28 | adminewb | where did dpkg bot go? |
| 13:49.39 | flo` | i also have pdfs where pdf2ps doesn't complete at all |
| 13:49.51 | flo` | but these were created by latex. so i don't assume they're malformed..? |
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| 13:50.43 | Bushmills | flo`, can you try to convert the offending pdf files and try printing the converted version? maybe by using pdfcrop, or pdf2ps and back with ps2pdf? |
| 13:50.49 | flo` | and: pdf2ps works on this particular file. pdftops does NOT work |
| 13:51.15 | flo` | Bushmills, as said before: pdftops never completes, pdf2ps creates a ps file, which however still cannot be printed |
| 13:51.26 | Bushmills | ah, nm that suggestion if even psf2ps doesn't always work |
| 13:51.34 | flo` | when i print it, then look at top's output, i can see a gs with output_device=pdfwrite |
| 13:51.45 | flo` | so, gs internally converts that ps back to pdf -_- |
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| 13:52.30 | morsik | hi |
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| 13:52.48 | morsik | how can i install dev packages for 32bit arch if i'm on x86_64? |
| 13:52.53 | morsik | i need to do some cross compiling |
| 13:53.23 | flo` | and, i have in general the feeling that ghostscript is DEAD slow. for example, creating a pdf which just contains a jpeg (no recompressing, nothing) takes minutes! |
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| 13:53.51 | MoonTiger | hi guys :) |
| 13:54.16 | MoonTiger | if i am packaging an xcfe4 applet for debian what email do i put in the package? mine or the original coder? |
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| 13:55.14 | flo` | i tried the following now: convert that pdf to ps using pdf2ps. then vice versa via ps2pdf. now evince takes REALLY long loading that file. |
| 13:55.18 | flo` | i'll try to print it now |
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| 13:55.27 | Cybertinus | hello |
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| 13:55.38 | MoonTiger | flo`, has the conversion changed the dpi of the file? |
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| 13:56.09 | wastl | hi |
| 13:56.16 | flo` | WHOA |
| 13:56.27 | wastl | anyone here who can help me with some pptpd + radius problem? |
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| 13:56.37 | flo` | the converted and converted back file printed after a still pretty long processing time (two minutes) |
| 13:56.43 | flo` | but it printde |
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| 13:57.09 | Cybertinus | I've just followed the instructions in chapter G.1.1 for creating a chroot for a user on http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html but I get the following error when I try to SSH to the server as the chrooted user: "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0". Google sugests that there is something wrong with /dev/pts, but I've cheched it and I think it is correct. What could be wrong? |
| 13:57.45 | flo` | well, now my particular problem with that pdf is solved... but i'm still looking for a way to simply print a damn pdf file |
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| 13:57.57 | flo` | without having to convert several times and use lpr from the CLI |
| 13:58.00 | themill | flo`: I've seen modest sized pdfs with lots of embedded pictures (jpg compressed) turn into 500MB ps files (with no compression on the images...) that kill most print systems and just about all printers. Reducing the resolution by running through ghostscript helps. |
| 13:58.01 | wastl | noone? |
| 13:58.03 | wastl | damn |
| 13:58.05 | wastl | :( |
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| 13:58.15 | themill | wastl: try asking a real question and then waiting |
| 13:58.25 | themill | dselect: tell wastl about ask |
| 13:58.25 | wastl | ok |
| 13:58.46 | flo` | themill, how can i find out the dpi? |
| 13:58.46 | wastl | I'm running debian squeeze 64bit here |
| 13:59.11 | flo` | and, themill, there were no pictures in the pdf. only text and a table |
| 13:59.52 | wastl | I installed pptpd and radiusclient1 and configured them according to the howtos to be found on the net.. This it seems that the pptpd don't talk to the radius at all. Does anyone have a suggestion why it doesn't? |
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| 14:03.14 | adminewb | are there better ways than bootlogd to log boot console? |
| 14:03.23 | SRabbelier|Lappy | I'm trying to use the gnome-bluetooth applet (on my Wheezy laptop) to connect my headset, but even though I can _connect_ it, it doesn't show up as an audio device, the instructions on http://live.gnome.org/GnomeBluetooth are very terse and don't give any instructions on how to send audio through the device after connecting, nor does the linked https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation/Bluetooth#Audio_devices. Any thoughts on how to app |
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| 14:05.15 | Zesturian | Hey * |
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| 14:05.58 | Zesturian | What's the ceil to setting the ip_conntrack_max to, is there a simple equation based on memory etc? |
| 14:06.02 | rrobbins | Can someone explain the real advantages of using Screen vs just opening multiple terminal tabs and navigating with c+pageup/pagedown |
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| 14:07.03 | Zesturian | rrobbins, no real advantage, except it's easier to switch as you can use your mouse etc. Screen is better for using on servers etc |
| 14:07.27 | Zesturian | Though there's plenty of reasons to use screen, multiple tasks of the same project is useful to go into a screen session |
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| 14:07.48 | Cybertinus | with screen you can leave your computer and let run everything in the background, and attach the shell again when you return |
| 14:07.55 | Cybertinus | or attach it again via SSH or something |
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| 14:08.31 | rrobbins | ah, didnt really think of that, if you ssh into somewhere remote but need multiple terminals there it's easier than opening many tabs and SSHing with each one |
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| 14:09.58 | eldowan | with debian lenny, I can restart X by doing ctrl+alt+backspace on squeeze, that key combination doesn't work. is there a way to enable it, or is there another key combiniation that does work? |
| 14:10.00 | balboah | there is also "tmux" that is supposedly a good alternative to screen |
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| 14:11.56 | flo` | rrobbins, screen is good for unstable ssh sessions |
| 14:12.57 | Cybertinus | or unstable X servers ;) |
| 14:13.36 | adminewb | before init process starts, I get a strange console warning, despite that the sound modules for this hardware appear to load up anyway; thoughts anyone? warning text: "Setting up ALSA... warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'Unknown hardware...'" |
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| 14:13.49 | Zesturian | sharing sessions too |
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| 14:17.14 | snake__ | Hi |
| 14:17.28 | snake__ | I'm talking in a tty :) |
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| 14:18.05 | snake__ | Do I need GNOME Desktop Environment if I install Graphical Desktop Environment (tasks) ? |
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| 14:18.41 | arghx | %install gnome |
| 14:18.41 | dselect | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 14:18.43 | ScottG_ | I am having problems using a static IP on my server. Right now it has an IP address but it doesn't seem to have an internet connection. What could be wrong? |
| 14:19.12 | arghx | ScottG_: is it ethernet or wlan? can you ping the IP of your gateway? |
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| 14:19.20 | ScottG_ | arghx: ethernet |
| 14:19.25 | ScottG_ | ill try |
| 14:19.42 | eldowan | ScottG_: does it have dns defines in /etc/resolf.conf ? is the gateway correct? can you ping your non localhost port? does ifconfig show it configured? |
| 14:19.43 | Python | that's not what I asked ... |
| 14:19.53 | arghx | what ethernet card is it and what's the interface name? eth0? if so: dmesg |grep eth |
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| 14:20.00 | flo` | Python, i don't know what you mean with "need" |
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| 14:20.30 | flo` | do you want to install a graphical desktop environmen, but NOT install gnome? |
| 14:20.47 | Python | Can I remove the task "GNOME Desktop Environment" and install the "Graphical Desktop Environment"? |
| 14:20.59 | flo` | i assume you can. |
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| 14:21.03 | ScottG_ | arghx: I can't ping the gateway |
| 14:21.22 | flo` | in the worst case, you'll be sitting there without a graphical desktop, and have to re-install some graphical stuff again |
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| 14:21.43 | arghx | ScottG_: then check the dmesg output via dmesg |grep eth |
| 14:22.05 | arghx | if you plug in the ethernet cable it should usually tell this in the dmesg log |
| 14:22.25 | ScottG_ | eldowan: The nameserver is 192.168.1.1 in my resolv.conf. I had a problem on this laptop with the dns and using 8.8.8.8 as the dns works for me. I tried changing the resolv.conf to include only "nameserver 8.8.8.8" since that fixed the problem on this computer but it didn't work. |
| 14:22.49 | ScottG_ | arghx: I'll try that grep, sec |
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| 14:24.35 | rozie | ScottG_: ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 14:24.49 | rozie | I guess it won't work |
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| 14:25.34 | ScottG_ | arghx: I got a ton of errors for eth0 saying "transmit timeout" and other errors saying "link not ready" |
| 14:26.23 | arghx | ScottG_: get a new cable or possibly a new NIC |
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| 14:26.40 | arghx | either is faulty it seems. or the port on the switch |
| 14:26.46 | ScottG_ | I seriously doubt that is the problem |
| 14:27.02 | ScottG_ | If I changed the setup back to dhcp i'm certain it would work again |
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| 14:28.41 | eldowan | ScottG_: can you verify? |
| 14:28.44 | arghx | then tell us what you put in interfaces |
| 14:29.03 | eldowan | hell, pastebin of interfaces and output of ifconfig may be good to see as well. |
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| 14:29.06 | arghx | and changing IP doesn't give TX errors. that definitely points to hardware failure of some sort |
| 14:29.33 | eldowan | could it possibly be an autonegotiate issue? 10HD vs 100FD? |
| 14:30.08 | ScottG_ | If I changed the setup back to dhcp i'm certain it would work again |
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| 14:30.30 | ScottG_ | igore that message.. hit up the enter by mistake |
| 14:30.32 | ScottG_ | eldowan: I'm trying right now |
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| 14:31.47 | artus` | hola amigos |
| 14:31.47 | Cybertinus | anyone knows why I get the message "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" when I try to login via SSH with a user that need to be chrooted? |
| 14:31.55 | artus` | tengo un problema con mi emacs |
| 14:32.09 | boudiccas | artus`; english please |
| 14:32.15 | eldowan | %spanish |
| 14:32.15 | dselect | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 14:32.24 | artus` | cuando carga, salen unos caracteres extraños |
| 14:32.42 | artus` | ok thanks |
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| 14:34.49 | skilz | how do I save a message in a .jpg file? |
| 14:35.00 | ScottG_ | eldowan: Well I can't get it to get a dhcp address either |
| 14:35.04 | eldowan | skilz: I don't understand your question. |
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| 14:35.37 | eldowan | ScottG_: hmmm... arghx's assumption is looking better isn't it? have you tried changing patch cables / switch ports? |
| 14:35.38 | ScottG_ | But I find it far too big of a coincidence that I am just having internet problems as soon as I start messing around with a static IP |
| 14:35.51 | skilz | say I had a jpg image of say my desktop.jpg could I make it also contain a hidden message? |
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| 14:36.01 | ScottG_ | The server was chugging along for YEARS just fine |
| 14:36.07 | eldowan | ah, but if you undo your static changes, then you /aren't/ messing around with it. |
| 14:36.11 | arghx | skilz: yes. |
| 14:36.20 | ScottG_ | eldowan: I could be doing something else wrong |
| 14:36.21 | flo` | skilz, you look for steganography |
| 14:36.35 | ScottG_ | eldowan: What is the proper way to restart the network? |
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| 14:36.54 | eldowan | ScottG_: I don't know the 'proper' way, but I use ifdown eth?; ifup eth? |
| 14:37.07 | eldowan | I'm sure that there may be another, more approved method. |
| 14:37.11 | arghx | ScottG_: ifdown/ifup usually |
| 14:37.24 | ScottG_ | I've used /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:37.25 | skilz | flo`: please explain? |
| 14:37.38 | ScottG_ | But wh nI run that it says its depreciated. I'll try ifup/down |
| 14:37.47 | ScottG_ | If that doesn't work i'll replace the etheret cable |
| 14:37.49 | boudiccas | skliz google for it |
| 14:37.59 | flo` | skilz, i suggest you google for "steganography" and/or "jpeg steganography" |
| 14:38.03 | skilz | flo`: I was aware that it is possible to save a virus as a jpg too |
| 14:38.25 | flo` | save "as" a jpg is something different than "hide in" |
| 14:38.52 | themill | flo`: hmm... text and table? that doesn't sound right. pdf{to,2}ps shouldn't struggle with that unless it's malformed in some way. |
| 14:39.18 | flo` | "save as" means naming it "virus.jpg.exe". most windows machines hide the ".exe", the user clicks on it and baaam |
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| 14:40.16 | flo` | creating a jpeg which contains a virus is also possible. you create a malformed jpeg which causes buffer overflows or other problems in the viewer program. via buffer overflow you can write malicious code somewhere and hope that the program viewing the file executes it |
| 14:40.52 | flo` | and hiding a message in a jpeg is called steganography. this does not automatically pop up, or install some virus. |
| 14:41.25 | flo` | themill, maybe it is malformed... that's an automatically generated pdf from a webpage |
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| 14:45.48 | BeBoo_ | Hey everyone. I'm having a slight issue with two linux VMs. They are running Debian. Im hoping you all can help me determine what the cause/fix is. After about 12-24 hrs, the server locks up. I can ssh to it but it won't load up a prompt. Any existing connection still works but when i try to run something, it just hangs. I left top open one day on console and there is no CPU usage and very |
| 14:45.48 | BeBoo_ | little memory usage. What can I use to track this problem down? There are no entries in dmesg/messages/syslog after a certain time so I assume that is when it froze up. |
| 14:46.38 | ScottG_ | Brb, testing out an ethernet cable |
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| 14:47.27 | flo` | BeBoo_, when you leave a bash shell open, can you run several programs after these 24h? |
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| 14:47.41 | ScottG_ | arghx: Ok. So I tried another ethernet cable and it doesn't work and I've confirmed this cable is good |
| 14:47.42 | flo` | or can you only type them in, and after pressing enter, it freezes? |
| 14:48.06 | ScottG_ | Not sure what else to do |
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| 14:48.43 | BeBoo_ | •flo`• before it freezes, I can run whatever; after it freezes, i can type and press enter but it just produces a blank line and doesn't do anything. Now, here is the weird part. Say I had 'top' running prior to the freeze and i run top after it's frozen, it will run but not update. same thing with anything else (screen). |
| 14:49.07 | BeBoo_ | It |
| 14:49.19 | BeBoo_ | It's a clean install, updated and java installed - thats all. |
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| 14:50.26 | BeBoo_ | •flo`• and it's not always 24 hrs. Yesterday it froze in 6hrs, the other day it ran for 48 hrs or so before it froze up. |
| 14:50.33 | flo` | BeBoo_, it may be a problem with the disk driver |
| 14:51.01 | flo` | a functional bash which won't load programs except programs which were loaded before (and thus cached in RAM) is a sign for this |
| 14:51.04 | BeBoo_ | Ok, your suggestion? I'm not too familiar with the inner workings of linux, but I can get myself around. |
| 14:51.32 | flo` | if this wasn't a VM, i'd tell you to check/replace your harddisk and controllers associated with this |
| 14:51.45 | flo` | but as that's a vm... wtf... |
| 14:51.48 | BeBoo_ | Also, these VMs are running in virtualbox which debian seemed to install it's own drivers for... |
| 14:52.14 | flo` | you might want to either try a different kernel, or to blacklist a certain disk driver |
| 14:52.37 | flo` | can you please run lsmod and paste the output to some pastebin? |
| 14:52.44 | flo` | (NOT in the channel ;) ) |
| 14:52.48 | BeBoo_ | Sure, just a sec |
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| 14:53.30 | BeBoo_ | •flo`• http://pastie.org/2202244 |
| 14:53.49 | BeBoo_ | (note the vboxguest module) |
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| 14:54.57 | flo` | BeBoo_, do you have an idea what the vboxguest module is for? |
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| 14:55.14 | ScottG_ | Something is up though. I don't see any lights coming from |
| 14:55.25 | ScottG_ | the ethernet port |
| 14:55.50 | BeBoo_ | •flo`• I don't; it seemed to install itself as I said. I was going to run the additions (which installs drivers, allows for copy/paste from console, etc) but it wouldn't run because I didnt have the kernel source available and I didn't see the point so I didn't do it. |
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| 14:56.53 | flo` | i assume you're booting from a (virtual) HD? |
| 14:57.01 | flo` | not from CD or whatever? |
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| 14:57.03 | BeBoo_ | •flo`• perhaps the module is made for a previous version of the kernel or something? |
| 14:57.08 | BeBoo_ | Correct |
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| 14:57.42 | flo` | can you please look which kind of harddisk is in your virtual system? IDE, SATA, SCSI, whatever? |
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| 14:58.45 | BeBoo_ | •flo`• SATA, the CDROM is connected via IDE. |
| 14:58.56 | BeBoo_ | These were defaults upon creating both VMs |
| 14:59.26 | flo` | BeBoo_, i find it really strange that you have no (to me known) disk driver module which is USED. but i have absolutely no experience with SATA, so i don't know how the drivers are called... |
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| 14:59.38 | flo` | i'd try blacklisting that vboxguest module... |
| 14:59.46 | BeBoo_ | How would I do that? |
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| 15:00.07 | BeBoo_ | Ah, i found an article on it |
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| 15:00.34 | flo` | BeBoo_, i assume you add the module name to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 15:00.41 | flo` | but i'm not sure, never done this |
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| 15:01.43 | flo` | BeBoo_, i assume testing whether it works now or not takes very long, right? or have you a way to provoke the lockup? |
| 15:02.05 | BeBoo_ | •flo`• I also tried to manually unload the module (as stated in this article) using modprobe -r and I got this: FATAL: Module vboxguest is in use. - I assume I should restart. |
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| 15:02.25 | flo` | indeed. you have to restart after the module has been blacklisted |
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| 15:03.42 | BeBoo_ | I cannot produce a lockup as it doesn't seem to do it when it's being used. (it's a minecraft server) so it will take a bit. I can report back tomorrow and let you know how it is going. |
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| 15:04.10 | BeBoo_ | I have two VMs so I will blacklist from both and see if either lock up |
| 15:04.40 | flo` | BeBoo_, can you create more vms? |
| 15:04.54 | flo` | i'd also try to install a different kernel version |
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| 15:06.00 | flo` | for example, from backports (google for debian lenny|squeeze backports, there are instructions how to set it up. then run aptitude and install the kernel from the backports. then, when booting, select the newly installed kernel in grub) |
| 15:06.03 | BeBoo_ | •flo`• I have enough mem to create one more VM. What do you suggest? |
| 15:06.11 | flo` | the above ;) |
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| 15:07.06 | Eleth | We're installing a pair of squeeze seerver for backup purposes. These will replace 2 old Solaris boxes. Our backup volume is 33TB in size. What filesystem is recommended? JFS? XFS? plain old ext4 (I've heard that 8TB is the max?) |
| 15:07.26 | BeBoo_ | should I make a copy of one of the VMs or run a fresh install? |
| 15:07.37 | eldowan | Eleth: I seriously doubt that 8tb is the max for ext |
| 15:07.40 | flo` | if you can copy them, do that. |
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| 15:08.16 | BeBoo_ | Great. I think I need to remove something from rc.d because I got a big failed message on boot trying to load the VirtualBox Guest Additions |
| 15:09.02 | Eleth | eldowan, It's an EiB but apparently the etfstools are limited to 8TB |
| 15:09.06 | flo` | BeBoo_, probably. but is that a fatal message? or does the system continue booting and works after that? |
| 15:09.28 | BeBoo_ | It continues, just complains that it can't load because a file cannot be found. Should I just ignore for now? |
| 15:09.50 | flo` | yeah, if nothing stopped working, you can safely ignore it |
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| 15:10.10 | flo` | on a productive system you may want to investigate further, but not on a testing VM |
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| 15:10.31 | eldowan | Eleth: aah |
| 15:10.58 | lrojas | how can i install the latest version on Python ( 3.2.1 ) on the latest debian? |
| 15:10.59 | BeBoo_ | it's not really production yet; still working out the kinks (like this) before opening it up to public so I don't mind testing. I have plenty of backups of the worlds should something happen. |
| 15:11.14 | Eleth | Does anyone here use JFS or XFS? |
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| 15:12.15 | flo` | BeBoo_, backups are good ;) so: create a duplicate machine, and install a new kernel (as explained above) |
| 15:12.31 | Eleth | Perhaps we should split the 33TB in 2, stick on thousdands of random files and shut it down HARD and see which recovers the fastest and with the least problems.... |
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| 15:12.55 | BeBoo_ | •flo`• Will do. Thanks for your time so far. :) |
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| 15:13.07 | flo` | np :) |
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| 15:14.09 | themill | lrojas: fiddling around with system tools like python isn't such a great idea; python 3.2 is already the default python3 in wheezy and sid; if you want that on a squeeze system, then you might like to work in a chroot for it. /msg dselect debootstrap ; /msg dselect local python |
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| 15:15.43 | gnarface | Eleth: i think for a thorough test you would have to test several other filesystems, and you would have to test "hard" shutdown by power failure from the wall outlet (unplug it) as well as hard shutdown by power failure to the drive itself (drill a hole through the cpu while its running or something) |
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| 15:15.53 | lrojas | themill: thanks |
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| 15:17.02 | themill | lrojas: no worries. A local "python3" is going to break less than a local "python", but it's still likely to break anything in debian that happens to use python3 (it's just that there's not very much that does at present). |
| 15:17.06 | kdog | what is the package that controls the display of the black notification box that pops up when you attach to a network? |
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| 15:19.04 | th0r | kdog: it is probably either gnome-network-manager or wicd |
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| 15:20.38 | flo` | or gnome-modifications or consort |
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| 15:21.44 | kdog | th0r: ah, network-manager-gnome. And it has a depends of libnotify1. Now I'm getting somewhere. Thanks. |
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| 15:22.10 | th0r | kdog: I use wicd, so it was a guess <smile> |
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| 15:22.36 | savr | hi |
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| 15:23.59 | savr | I am looking to use debian as a vm host. I want the computer to power 4 sets of monitors/keyboards/mouses each with their own vm client |
| 15:24.17 | savr | does a set up like this have a proper name? |
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| 15:24.35 | savr | I want to search the internet to learn more about how to do it |
| 15:24.52 | kdog | So, what I'm trying to get at is that icedove throws up messages in the lower left and the network manager puts its up in the upper right. I want to standardize on the upper right. |
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| 15:25.24 | kdog | I see that icedove suggests libnotify1 as well so maybe it is a configuration change I can make. |
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| 15:27.58 | klur | I was trying to configure an unstable chroot with "debootstrap --arch i386 sid /sid MIRROR" but it looks like stable because when I enter "schroot -c sid -p -- uname -r" I get "2.6.32-5-686". Any idea? |
| 15:28.21 | themill | klur: the chroot doesn't have a different kernel to the host system |
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| 15:29.20 | klur | themill, ah, of course, I forgot it is no virtualization :) |
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| 15:31.19 | jhutchins_lt | kdog: Your problem is that Mozilla does not take any input or guidance from the Gnome Team. If you use a Gnome mail client the layout should be consistent. |
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| 15:33.12 | xvilka | hi! i'm writing configure.in for my program, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/437025/ and it cand find lua5.1/lua.h! what can be wrong? |
| 15:33.28 | xvilka | lines 83-92 |
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| 15:42.26 | kdog | jhutchins_lt: thanks. The reason I'm using icedove is that I need google contacts/calendar support. I'll see if evolution has that. |
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| 15:45.01 | debianbest | In squeeze I have the following issue/question: instead of using /dev/mapper/sda6_crypt as a swap partition, as instructed in fstab, it is using /dev/dm-2, why is that? |
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| 15:46.49 | daemonkeeper | Follow the link. /dev/mapper/$whatever is a symlink to the actual device through a logical name. |
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| 15:49.25 | Python | Hi |
| 15:49.37 | jelly | Python: it works! |
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| 15:50.54 | Python | I just installed Debian, and alsa but still no sound, my laptop model is a42f asus |
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| 15:51.08 | Python | anyone can tell me how to fix that ? :) |
| 15:51.08 | abrotman | %alsa checklist |
| 15:51.09 | dselect | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 15:53.54 | Python | doesn't work |
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| 15:54.05 | abrotman | dselect: doesn't work |
| 15:54.05 | dselect | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 15:54.37 | ikonia | abrotman: I'm stealing that bot definition, thank you |
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| 15:55.56 | abrotman | ikonia: that's uh .. copyrighted or something :) |
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| 15:56.42 | ikonia | abrotman: I'll work off the fine |
| 15:56.43 | abrotman | Python: you'll have to give us more details .. did you try all of those steps? what is your sound card? does it work in another OS? |
| 15:56.49 | abrotman | ikonia: hehe, okay, agreed! |
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| 15:57.19 | Symbi0nt|GER | is there a console tool to chop files? |
| 15:57.24 | Justin | Symbi0nt|GER: split? |
| 15:57.26 | abrotman | Symbi0nt|GER: chop in what way? |
| 15:57.36 | Symbi0nt|GER | I would like to split a 15GB file in 1GB pieces for transfer |
| 15:57.41 | abrotman | split |
| 15:57.45 | Symbi0nt|GER | ah k |
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| 15:58.46 | dwep | hmpf, i've edited fstab to automount a secondary internal hdd, but i get "permission error" when trying to move files to it? |
| 15:59.08 | wols | dwep: what filesystem? |
| 15:59.12 | dwep | uuid=xxxx /mnt/backup ext4 defaults 0 2 |
| 15:59.17 | dwep | that's the line i've added |
| 15:59.25 | Python | abrotman: how to check the model ? |
| 15:59.35 | wols | dwep: check the permissions of /mnt/backup. |
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| 16:00.04 | wols | Python: lspci -nn for a start |
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| 16:00.16 | dwep | wols: drwxr-xr-x |
| 16:00.18 | dwep | hmpf |
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| 16:00.35 | wols | dwep: permissions are more than just that. uid:gid too |
| 16:01.43 | dwep | wols: how do i check those id's? |
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| 16:02.25 | dwep | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jul 1 02:20 . |
| 16:02.26 | dwep | drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Jun 30 10:43 .. |
| 16:02.35 | dwep | ls -all, right? |
| 16:03.49 | eldowan | dwep: root:root is UID:GID |
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| 16:06.00 | dwep | eldowan: is sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /mnt/ the way to go? |
| 16:06.13 | Symbi0nt|GER | when I split a binary file and use only -b it will be split binary safe? |
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| 16:06.22 | dwep | well, actually not /mnt/ but the two partitions i've got there |
| 16:06.30 | Symbi0nt|GER | This takes minutes |
| 16:06.33 | Symbi0nt|GER | suprisingly |
| 16:06.34 | eldowan | dwep: what's your end goal? |
| 16:07.11 | dwep | eldowan: you know what, nvm, i just realised that the two folders i've got in /mnt is actually two partitions |
| 16:07.14 | wols | dwep: unmount the partition again. then do a chown user:group /mnt/backup and mount it again |
| 16:07.20 | dwep | not surprising :) |
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| 16:07.50 | Python | hmm |
| 16:08.11 | Python | is 2.6.38 supported ? |
| 16:08.12 | dwep | my bad, the thing is that i've got two folders in /mnt, those two folders are actually a hard drive partitioned in two, so i can modify those folders but not /mnt/ itself |
| 16:08.15 | dwep | so nvm :) |
| 16:08.32 | ikonia | Python: was that the kernel that was installed by default with debian ? |
| 16:08.50 | th0r | dwep: I believe the ownership of a mount point has to be passed as options to mount |
| 16:09.24 | Python | ikonia: mine is 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 16:09.33 | dwep | th0r: yep, done that, problem solved, ty :) |
| 16:09.56 | ikonia | Python: ok - so that's the supported kernel version |
| 16:10.16 | ikonia | Python: why are you obsessed with updating your kernel to .38 ? you where asking this in #ubuntu the other day |
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| 16:10.19 | negativerad2 | you |
| 16:10.29 | Python | ikonia: It can solve my problem.. |
| 16:10.36 | ikonia | Python: why do you think that ? |
| 16:10.47 | Python | ikonia: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=43478 |
| 16:11.16 | ikonia | Python: /last Python |
| 16:11.26 | ikonia | Python: that's not the same hardware your running |
| 16:11.39 | ikonia | Python: you're runing an asus a42f |
| 16:11.44 | Python | yeah |
| 16:11.56 | ikonia | Python: that post is nothing to do with that hardware |
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| 16:11.59 | Python | same chipset |
| 16:12.13 | Python | Intel G45 |
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| 16:12.17 | ikonia | Python: it doesn't say a chipset in that post |
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| 16:12.46 | Python | ikonia: look at the title |
| 16:12.57 | ikonia | Python: yes, ? |
| 16:13.11 | docgnome | what's the latest version of xulrunner in sid? I'm running testing, trying to do some pinning to get xulrunner 2.0 but i don't seem to see a package for it... |
| 16:13.13 | ikonia | Python: that's one forum post and the issue is DVI disabled, |
| 16:13.22 | ikonia | Python: is that the same problem you're having that DVI is disabled ? |
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| 16:14.13 | Python | ikonia: weird. |
| 16:14.25 | ikonia | Python: no - is that the same problem you are having, that dvi is disabled ? |
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| 16:15.50 | xevious | Is there a way to power off a certain NIC port so that its LEDs will go off? My motherboard has two NIC ports and I can't tell which one is eth1 and which is eth2. (I have another card as eth0 right now.) |
| 16:16.16 | Python | ikonia: Can you just tell if it's supported ? |
| 16:16.25 | ikonia | Python: is that the same problem you are having, yes/no |
| 16:16.38 | abrotman | xevious: if you plug a cable in, it should tell you if the link is okay |
| 16:16.55 | xevious | abrotman: What should? |
| 16:17.44 | rozie | system |
| 16:17.48 | rozie | xevious: dmesg |
| 16:17.54 | rozie | mii-tool, ethtool |
| 16:17.58 | xevious | Oh derp. thanks! |
| 16:18.23 | ikonia | the centos/rhel installer has a cool tool to flash nic lights at installer, maybe worth looking how they do that |
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| 16:19.48 | th0r | xevious: you might want to take note of the cards mac addresses |
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| 16:20.27 | xevious | ikonia: ethtool does that, however my onboard ports don't support it apparently. |
| 16:20.49 | abrotman | th0r: i think he can't physically tell .. if they're embedded, they may not have it printed anywhere |
| 16:20.57 | ikonia | xevious: I didn't know it was done with ethtool, thank you |
| 16:21.07 | th0r | abrotman: ah...missed the part about them being embedded <smile> |
| 16:21.13 | xevious | ikonia: ethtool -p |
| 16:21.16 | ikonia | thank you |
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| 16:21.33 | xevious | ikonia: I'm not sure if that's how they did it exactly, but it does blink the LEDs. |
| 16:22.08 | skilz | !backtrack |
| 16:22.23 | abrotman | skilz: #backtrack-linux |
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| 16:28.23 | Matias_ | Hello |
| 16:28.44 | Matias_ | I have a disck without a partition table (don't ask me why). what kind of partition table should I create? |
| 16:28.47 | Matias_ | disk* |
| 16:28.59 | shingouz | i need a new brain... where do the pre-removal scripts hide again? it has been too long since i have been forced to screw around with balky installs |
| 16:29.04 | ikonia | Matias_: msdos is standard |
| 16:29.10 | BeBoo_ | flo` suggested I try installing a kernel from backports to see if my issue is resolved. Which one do I want? http://pastie.org/2202664 |
| 16:29.11 | Matias_ | ok, thanks |
| 16:29.25 | boudiccas | Matias_; what do you want to use it for? |
| 16:29.32 | Matias_ | just to save data |
| 16:29.51 | boudiccas | Matias_; backups? |
| 16:30.08 | Matias_ | it's in fact a pendrive |
| 16:30.11 | Matias_ | so any kind of data |
| 16:30.39 | Python | how can i remove epiphany without removing gnome ? |
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| 16:31.14 | Matias_ | boudiccas, do you agree with ikonia? should I create a MS-DOS partition table? |
| 16:31.45 | boudiccas | Matias_; for a pen drive yes |
| 16:32.15 | Matias_ | ok, out of curiosity: what about other kind of devices? |
| 16:32.33 | boudiccas | external h/d i'd use ext3 |
| 16:32.49 | Bushmills | Python, you don't. but gnome is just a meta package. |
| 16:33.03 | Python | Bushmills: meta package? |
| 16:33.17 | Python | Bushmills: it tells me to remove gnome-core |
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| 16:34.01 | Matias_ | I believe they're not the same thing. Ext3 is a file system, MS-DOS (in this case at least) is a partition table |
| 16:34.08 | shingouz | Matias_: depends on what you are planning to do with the drive. if you want to plug it into some m$ box, you might want to use somehting that even windows can recognize. fat or fat32 is the easy solution |
| 16:34.09 | Matias_ | am I wrong? boudiccas |
| 16:34.14 | ikonia | Matias_: correct |
| 16:34.30 | ikonia | Matias_: your question was about a partition , not a file system correct ? |
| 16:34.35 | Matias_ | yep |
| 16:34.57 | ikonia | Matias_: then an MS dos partition table, with whatever file system you feel appropriate |
| 16:35.13 | Matias_ | ok, thank you all! |
| 16:35.21 | jaakkos | Matias_: msdos partition table has a 8TB limit for partition size |
| 16:35.29 | Bushmills | means, keep gnome-desktop-environment. let gnome be removed. |
| 16:35.34 | Matias_ | my pendrive doesn't have 8TB, don't worry xD |
| 16:35.41 | themill | Python: you'd need to install something else that provides "gnome-www-browser". "/msg judd rprovides gnome-www-browser" for a suitable list. |
| 16:36.01 | ikonia | Python: why do you want to remove empathy, it's small, just leave it |
| 16:36.10 | jaakkos | Matias_: then you should probably use msdos. more software supports them (fdisk, for instance...) |
| 16:36.22 | ikonia | Python: we went through this in #ubuntu a few days ago, you're making it hard for yourself to use the system, go slow and you'll learn |
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| 16:37.56 | Bushmills | iceweasel, for example, resolves the browser dependency in lieu of epiphany |
| 16:38.24 | Bushmills | therefore you could, alternatively, just install iceweasel, then remove epiphany |
| 16:38.40 | Python | I installed iceweasel.. |
| 16:38.44 | themill | or just ignore it. it's only disk space |
| 16:38.58 | Matias_ | I just created the partition table but the device notifier is still recognizing two different "devices" (I would say "partitions" but there're just one partition) |
| 16:39.00 | ikonia | themill: there we go, you've got it |
| 16:39.15 | Matias_ | there's * |
| 16:39.19 | Matias_ | that's weird |
| 16:39.51 | Bushmills | yeah, gnome depends on epiphany-extensions which in turn depends on epiphany. gnome will have to go for uninstalling epiphany |
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| 16:40.29 | Bushmills | (the meta package gnome, not the desktop environment gnome) |
| 16:40.54 | shingouz | okkay. i have *definitely* been afk too long. dpkg is not here: who is the channel bot today? |
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| 16:42.04 | themill | %tickle shingouz |
| 16:42.04 | dselect | tickles shingouz until shingouz falls into a coma. |
| 16:42.15 | themill | shingouz: dpkg is on holidays. Summer vacation. |
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| 16:42.47 | shingouz | wow. dpkg takes a vacation? i think i need to trn myself into a bot in that case, maybe i can get a vacation too |
| 16:42.55 | themill | :) |
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| 16:43.29 | KNUBBIG | Hey, I installed xen from the repositories and now I need to get the nvidia-drivers to work, any ideas? |
| 16:43.30 | shingouz | lets see what this one can do... thanks themill |
| 16:43.32 | Python | yay it worked thanks all |
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| 16:44.08 | themill | dselect: tell shingouz about dselectbot |
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| 16:45.14 | shingouz | themill: as i said, i have been afk way too long now |
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| 17:04.18 | BeBoo_ | flo` suggested I try installing a kernel from backports to see if my issue is resolved. Which one do I want? http://pastie.org/2202664 |
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| 17:08.30 | sc30317 | BeBoo_, what is your issue? |
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| 17:09.44 | BeBoo_ | •sc30317• long story short, having an issue with locking up on two VMs running on VirtualBox, flow suggested blacklisting the vboxguest module and creating a new vm to see if a backports kernel fixes the issue also. |
| 17:10.05 | BeBoo_ | (blacklisting the module on the two existing vms) |
| 17:10.29 | sc30317 | BeBoo_, linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-35 |
| 17:10.38 | sc30317 | the others are specifically designed for other VM clients |
| 17:11.16 | BeBoo_ | is the -35 the newer kernel because I am running -5 now |
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| 17:11.42 | skilz | say I just extracted files from an archive, is there a command to undo it and remove them? |
| 17:12.00 | BeBoo_ | •skilz• not that I am aware of |
| 17:12.08 | mns | skilz: what do you mean ? |
| 17:12.10 | themill | BeBoo_: if you're looking for the bpo kernel, you're looking for linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 17:13.00 | BeBoo_ | •themill• thanks |
| 17:13.09 | tharkun | Gentlemen any news on ftp.us.debian.org It's been taking ages to do a simple apt-get update |
| 17:13.13 | skilz | like if I accidently down tar -zxf file.tar.gz and 100 files were extracted into my ~ dir, can I undo it somehow? |
| 17:13.28 | sc30317 | BeBoo_, yea that is the backport kernel; that will work as well |
| 17:13.36 | Zoup | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.45 | digdilem_ | skilz, not automatically, afaik - but you can ls -lt and rm new files |
| 17:13.54 | digdilem_ | ah, ctime's a good idea |
| 17:13.56 | Justin | skilz: find -newer file.tar.gz |
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| 17:14.06 | str8 | what up |
| 17:14.33 | Rienzilla | you can also pipe the output of tar -t into xargs rm |
| 17:14.33 | Justin | or mv $(tar tzf file.tar.gz) somedir/ |
| 17:14.38 | Rienzilla | (for skilz) |
| 17:14.46 | Rienzilla | or mv it indee |
| 17:14.47 | Rienzilla | d |
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| 17:15.07 | skilz | ok thanks |
| 17:15.13 | themill | tharkun: there's no one single ftp.us which doesn't help; you may like to specify which individual mirror you want to use for better reproducibility (that said, mirrors are removed from the rotation when they don't behave to help get around these sorts of problems) |
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| 17:15.52 | themill | Zoup: you do, of course, know that ctime is not the creation time, don't you. |
| 17:15.52 | str8 | i wish debian had /dev/tcp out of the box :( |
| 17:16.01 | tharkun | themill: i am using http://ftp.us.debian.org how can i see which is the actual mirror beeing used? |
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| 17:16.21 | Zoup | themill: yep, its change time |
| 17:16.24 | themill | tharkun: apt shows you the IP address it's trying to talk to |
| 17:16.28 | Zoup | themill: emm, wont that work on new files? |
| 17:16.41 | Zoup | changed from void into file? :)) |
| 17:16.50 | str8 | has anyone here installed /dev/tcp for debian? |
| 17:17.00 | str8 | query me if you have |
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| 17:17.25 | themill | Zoup: it's meta-data change time (i.e. permissions) not data change time (that's modification time). And tar would often set these times to what they are in the tarball |
| 17:17.29 | BeBoo_ | separate issue: what would cause dropped RX packets? I copied a VM to a new one, changed it's IP and MAC address but it is dropping packets. Any ideas? |
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| 17:19.24 | themill | str8: you might do better to ask a real question; /msg dselect ask |
| 17:20.12 | themill | str8: please keep it in the channel so that others can help too |
| 17:21.12 | tharkun | themill: i fail to see any way of making apt deliver the afore mentioned ip |
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| 17:21.49 | themill | tharkun: oh.. it does while it's trying to connect; if connections are taking a long time it shows it for a long time |
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| 17:22.13 | tharkun | no, it only shows [waiting for headers] |
| 17:22.44 | themill | ahh, so the connection is fast but the content is slow. That's harder. |
| 17:23.03 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:23.39 | tharkun | those two are beeing used |
| 17:24.02 | Zoup | themill: thanks :) |
| 17:24.19 | themill | tharkun: the mirror status list will tell you if they're misbehaving |
| 17:24.39 | tharkun | themill: thanks |
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| 17:37.11 | adripop | Hi, i'd like to reroute all http request going through my router to myserv.lan how could i do that ? |
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| 17:37.41 | adripop | Do i have to do it width mod_proxy, squidguard or just iptables ? |
| 17:37.47 | adripop | with* |
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| 17:39.15 | adripop | I would be pleased if someone give some indications |
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| 17:42.36 | mcr | (prior to this week, we had only i386 machines in the mix, so it didn't matter, but we have both amd64 and i386 ones now) |
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| 17:45.02 | jhutchins_lt | adripop: What kind of router? |
| 17:46.05 | jhutchins_lt | adripop: Are you trying to redirect outbound requests, or inbound? |
| 17:46.34 | adripop | it's not really a router, it's my dhcp and dns server |
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| 17:47.22 | adripop | it's a closed network in fact |
| 17:47.36 | adripop | i mean there are clients and only one server |
| 17:48.10 | adripop | the server helps clients to retrieive web apps |
| 17:49.25 | adripop | but i would like to have it even more simple, if client is typing any bad address i would like him to be redirect on the good server |
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| 17:49.38 | adripop | jhutchins_lt: am i clear ? |
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| 17:50.08 | cusco | where is dpkg bot? |
| 17:51.11 | tharkun | a bus ran over it and it is in the hospital |
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| 17:58.25 | AVRS | Hi. Has anyone seen, during reboot, failure to unmount an ext4 fs when there is an encfs (or other FUSE fs) mounted in it? |
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| 18:03.07 | BeBoo_ | what would cause dropped RX packets? I copied a VM to a new one, changed it's IP and MAC address but it is dropping packets. Any ideas? |
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| 18:04.58 | jelly-home | BeBoo_: perhaps try asking in the channel appropriate for your virtualization solution |
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| 18:11.41 | tharkun | themill: I couldn't find the url you mentioned. only www.debian.org/mirror/list but it does not have usefull information |
| 18:13.25 | gadwin | hey, i have a serious problem with my dovecot imap server. i spend the last hour searching for the answer but i can't find it. I am using it together with postfix on a Debian system, things worked find until i upgraded from lenny to squeeze. i use the same configuration as before but now the dovecot is telling me he can't find the user in the passdb-file |
| 18:13.31 | gadwin | here is the config http://p.boxnet.eu/10882/ |
| 18:13.35 | gadwin | error is this one 2011-07-12 20:10:56 auth(default): Info: passwd-file(marc@snakenet.org,134.102.132.200): unknown user |
| 18:13.40 | gadwin | sombody a clew what i did wrong? respektive what i didn't do after the upgrade? |
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| 18:14.00 | themill | tharkun: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html shows the mit.edu as "ok" but doesn't list that second mirror at all |
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| 18:18.32 | w7nz7k | hi! anyone know of a repository for nginx 1.4? |
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| 18:20.49 | craigevil | ,versions nginx |
| 18:20.51 | judd | Package nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3; squeeze-backports: 1.0.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.0.4-1; wheezy: 1.0.4-1 |
| 18:20.51 | th0r | w7nz7k: according to the nginx homepage 1.0.4 is the latest stable |
| 18:20.59 | corn | how do i upgrade only sshd with apt |
| 18:21.05 | w7nz7k | sorry! 1.0.4! |
| 18:21.19 | craigevil | 1.0.4 is in backports |
| 18:21.57 | corn | anyone know apt-get? |
| 18:22.17 | w7nz7k | i don't get it... i'm running squeeze and i get 0.7 |
| 18:22.39 | craigevil | do you have backports in your sources.list? |
| 18:22.45 | craigevil | !backports |
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| 18:23.08 | AVRS | corn: an unchecked guess: apt-get install sshd |
| 18:23.26 | th0r | corn: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 18:23.37 | w7nz7k | craigevil: no idea what that is... will get into it, thanks! |
| 18:23.56 | corn | th0r: lol thx |
| 18:24.01 | craigevil | w7nz7k, http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 18:24.29 | corn | i love how if you try to do apt-get upgrade LOLOLOLOL-NOTREALPACKAGE |
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| 18:24.39 | corn | it assumes you want to do everything instead of giving you an error? |
| 18:24.39 | w7nz7k | craigevil: hugs to you. |
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| 18:26.47 | jelly-home | craigevil: dselect bot responds to %factoid in dpkg's absence |
| 18:27.39 | th0r | corn: I don't think 'upgrade' is used for individual packages |
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| 18:28.54 | jhutchins_lt | upgrade does not take package arguments. If you want to upgrade only a specific package, I think "install" will work. |
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| 18:36.15 | gadwin | ok i fixed the problem myself. thanks for the great help *thumbs up* |
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| 18:38.09 | Amnesia | how can I change the default pager? |
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| 18:40.26 | AVRS | Amnesia: it seems to be an "alternative" |
| 18:40.38 | AVRS | update-alternatives |
| 18:40.38 | Amnesia | ? |
| 18:41.16 | Amnesia | hm I did make a symlink in /etc/default/pager to /usr/bin/most |
| 18:41.19 | AVRS | (the configuration itself is in /etc/alternatives) |
| 18:41.27 | MoonTiger | there is an xfce4 plugin that i wanted to package for wheezy but it is blocked by a bug to do with kfreebsd ... that means unless i fix that bug i cannot continue correct? |
| 18:42.23 | Amnesia | AVRS: thx:) |
| 18:42.27 | AVRS | Amnesia: np |
| 18:43.57 | Amnesia | most owns:) |
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| 18:45.35 | blink | anybody here know how to get php to generate a salted hash quickly on the cli? crypt() function, of type CRYPT_MD5, not sure on syntax. it's to create an admin password for a broken dokuwiki |
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| 18:49.03 | blink | nvm, got it. |
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| 18:50.42 | Python | Hi is upgrading to 2.6.35-15 safe ? |
| 18:50.57 | Python | why i want to update ? http://mul14.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/how-to-disable-touchpad-ubuntu-10-4-asus-a42f/ |
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| 18:52.00 | AVRS | Why not to 2.6.39? |
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| 18:54.37 | Python | AVRS: is it stable ? |
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| 18:55.57 | jhutchins | %ubuntu |
| 18:55.57 | dselect | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:56.09 | AVRS | Python: I use it, but I don't know how to compare. The proprietary ATI driver is still not stable, and encfs on ext is not unmounted when rebooting |
| 18:56.14 | AVRS | s/ext/ext4/ |
| 18:56.33 | AVRS | I don't know if the latter is related to kernel's version. |
| 18:56.48 | AVRS | I don't see any other issues. |
| 18:57.08 | AVRS | (ok, there are some error messages on shutdown, I don't know) |
| 18:57.49 | Python | is it safe AVRS, to upgrade |
| 18:57.52 | Python | ? |
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| 18:58.39 | jelly-home | Python: there is no such version as 2.6.35 in Debian |
| 18:58.43 | jhutchins_lt | Python: How would we know if an ubuntu kernel was safe? Please ask for ubuntu support in #ubuntu, not here. |
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| 18:59.25 | Python | I'm talking about Linux kernel.. |
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| 18:59.50 | Python | isn't it same for all distros ? |
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| 19:00.11 | AVRS | jhutchins_lt: 35 was only mentioned in the article Python read which said it would help in Ubuntu |
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| 19:01.36 | AVRS | Python: it didn't cause big problems for me, though I don't remember if I had to do anything like reinstall a video driver (and I was going to try the free one anyway) |
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| 19:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | Python: No, the distros apply different patches and compile-time options. |
| 19:03.38 | Python | oh |
| 19:03.46 | jhutchins_lt | Python: They also bundle different drivers and modules with a given kernel. |
| 19:04.04 | Python | so what's the latest stable kernel ? |
| 19:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's .32 |
| 19:04.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:04.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 19:05.05 | jhutchins_lt | Problems haeve been reported with the .38 bacport. |
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| 19:05.12 | jhutchins_lt | (Not by many, but a few.) |
| 19:05.33 | Python | what is backports ? |
| 19:05.40 | jhutchins_lt | %bdo |
| 19:05.41 | dselect | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 19:06.54 | jhutchins_lt | Python: Usually the mouse driver is provided through xorg though. |
| 19:07.18 | jhutchins_lt | Python: I would search google for your hardware + xorg |
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| 19:12.27 | Python | it doesn't detect xev, jhutchins |
| 19:12.53 | Python | it does't detect fn+f9* |
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| 19:15.06 | twobitsp1ite | I have 2 switches each hooked up to a port on my IBM blades, but the switches are linked with stackwise cables so they essentially act as a single switch... is it possible to do NIC teaming on these two interfaces? |
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| 19:15.25 | twobitsp1ite | maybe I should ask in #networking, actually... |
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| 19:15.37 | jelly-home | or consult the cisco manual |
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| 19:18.17 | jelly-home | twobitsp1ite: teaming is definitely possible on the internal, fiber ifaces between a blade and two switches (on our HS22 chassis) |
| 19:21.24 | twobitsp1ite | jelly-home: internal fiber interfaces? you mean the connection between the chassis switch and a top-of-the-rack swithc, or the coper backplane connection from the blade to the chassis switches? |
| 19:22.10 | jelly-home | twobitsp1ite: my backplane seems to be fiber |
| 19:22.21 | jelly-home | 1000Base-X |
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| 19:22.53 | twobitsp1ite | trust me, it's copper |
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| 19:23.21 | twobitsp1ite | pull your switch out of the chassis and look at the connector... |
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| 19:25.03 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:25.34 | twobitsp1ite | that doesn't mean it's fiber |
| 19:25.39 | jelly-home | doesn't have 10/100 speeds, just 1000 |
| 19:26.22 | jelly-home | either it's fiber or the switch is lying about 1000BaseX |
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| 19:26.37 | jelly-home | in any case, failover works |
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| 19:27.03 | jelly-home | but we're mostly running RHEL5 on those, not Debian |
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| 19:27.55 | ham5 | my system monitor > file systems tab wont rember my prefs for the information fields i want displayed, where do i start? in using the version 3.0.1 |
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| 19:33.43 | twobitsp1ite | jelly-home: well... I've worked for IBM testing those things and we've had them all pulled apart... there's no fiber on that backplane :) |
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| 19:35.25 | twobitsp1ite | jelly-home: anyways, good to know it works for you, thanks for the response (and sorry to nitpick :P) |
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| 19:36.09 | jelly-home | twobitsp1ite: how does the thing wrong when you put in a fiber switch instead of an ethernet one, then! |
| 19:36.13 | jelly-home | s/wrong/work/ |
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| 19:41.44 | somiaj | ham5: what system monintor are you using? (name of program) |
| 19:41.59 | ham5 | gnome-ssytem-monitor |
| 19:42.12 | somiaj | google 'configure gnome-system-monintor' |
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| 19:43.20 | ham5 | k... |
| 19:43.24 | somiaj | I dn't use gnome stuff, but for most system monintors you can save the stuff/configure it in a file -- for gnome system monintor you may have to save your current gnome session after you get it set up, though I'd assume your question can be answered via a google search |
| 19:44.33 | ham5 | it rembers the update interval and if i want to show all filesystems or not, just not the 'information fields" and this is only for v3.0.1 if i downgrade to stable it works fine |
| 19:44.47 | ham5 | thought id ask |
| 19:45.13 | somiaj | it could be a bug, though I'd file it upstream to gnome instead of to debian (unless its a debian only issue) |
| 19:45.31 | ham5 | i wouldent know either.. :\ thanks |
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| 19:47.51 | twobitsp1ite | jelly-home: well, firstly, fiber is ethernet, ethernet is link layer, not physical layer... secondly, most switches have both copper (cat5) and fiber connections. So it's copper on the blade/backplane side, and fiber out the back |
| 19:48.20 | twobitsp1ite | s/most switches/most modern enterprise switches/ |
| 19:49.01 | twobitsp1ite | also "fiber" is "ethernet over fiber" as opposed to "ethernet over cat5" |
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| 19:50.42 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 19:50.44 | ragnar76_ | hi all |
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| 19:51.04 | ZenWalker | where is a live cd debian gnu/hurd ? |
| 19:51.07 | ragnar76_ | how can i grant a normal user access to /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 19:51.31 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: In my experience it works better to file at the distro level and let the devs push it upstream if appropriate. |
| 19:52.07 | wols | ragnar76_: ls -l dev/ttyS0 it should be owned by some group. dip or such maybe? |
| 19:52.10 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: Many upstream devs won't take reports seriously unless you're running their pure code from svn, unpackaged. |
| 19:52.16 | wols | you usually add the user to that group |
| 19:52.53 | ragnar76_ | wols: it's dialout |
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| 19:53.29 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: yea and its my experience that many distro devs never report the bug upstream causing more chaos -- I think each project is slightly different on that regard. |
| 19:53.51 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: well many/some (which happen to be a few projects I know better than most) |
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| 19:54.06 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: In it's better days Mandriva got pretty organized with bug triage and upstream reporting. |
| 19:54.14 | wols | ragnar76_: then add your user(s) to that group |
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| 19:54.31 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: It does depend on the team. Debian could do with a better triage team. |
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| 19:55.28 | ragnar76_ | brb |
| 19:55.32 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: but I do agree, the best way would be submit to distro matainer as they should be able to determine if its a debian or upstream bug, and if its an upstream bug sumbit the bug and/or patch upstream (its when the patches to fix upstream bugs don't get submited that I think the system breaks down) |
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| 19:57.09 | Dulcin | is it possible to logout and log on with a different user with SSH/putty without having to start a new session? |
| 19:57.35 | somiaj | Dulcin: loging out closes the session, but with 'su - <user>' you can login with another user |
| 19:57.57 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: I think there's an option to not close the window when the connection is dropped... then you can click the titlebar icon and "reset session" |
| 19:58.20 | Dulcin | somiaj: Oh, but when I typed logout it says "There are stopped jobs" but I'm still connected |
| 19:58.24 | somiaj | Dulcin: but when that users logs out, he is returned to the original user that logged in -- but I can't think of any way to logout of the curent session |
| 19:58.44 | Dulcin | twobitsp1ite: I see |
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| 19:59.15 | Dulcin | somiaj: ok thanks |
| 19:59.19 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: I'm not positive on where the options are, but I'm pretty sure they're there. I run linux on my workstation/laptop so I don't use putty much any more |
| 19:59.35 | Dulcin | ill check the options out |
| 19:59.54 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: also, there are a number of wrapper programs for putty that give you things like tabs, and more options etc |
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| 20:00.08 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: google for superputty |
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| 20:00.50 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: or putty conneciton manager |
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| 20:01.02 | Dulcin | ok Ill check those out, thanks |
| 20:01.10 | Dulcin | any personal preference|? |
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| 20:03.47 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: like I said, I don't use putty much any more, but my co-worker likes superputty, not sure if he's users puttycm though |
| 20:04.06 | Hanmac | hello guys i had a very funny idea: add a secondary / dir into ~/.root/ so you have a user specific bin into /~/.root/usr/bin ... the question is: for what? so user chould install software wich only install to one user ... and the user does not need root rights to test bin or libs |
| 20:04.46 | twobitsp1ite | Hanmac: hate to burst your bubble, but people already do that all the time |
| 20:05.28 | twobitsp1ite | I have a ~/bin in my path where I put scripts and stuff I use... also I download firefox upstream and put a symlink there to the binary |
| 20:06.14 | twobitsp1ite | Hanmac: but if you want to be able to install debian packages there, look in to debootstrap |
| 20:06.15 | Hanmac | ya, ~/bin is simple but what is with lib? its possble to add it to the search path? |
| 20:06.27 | twobitsp1ite | Hanmac: $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 20:06.33 | twobitsp1ite | (or it is LDLIBRARY_PATH? |
| 20:06.35 | twobitsp1ite | ) |
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| 20:07.19 | twobitsp1ite | it's the former |
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| 20:07.52 | Hanmac | hm ok but what did you think about that idea? |
| 20:08.24 | twobitsp1ite | but be careful with that... if you plan to install different versions of the same library in a directory in LD_LIBRARY_PATH it could cause problems for existing programs which depend on the version in /usr/lib |
| 20:08.31 | Dulcin | What's the difference between UNIX password and just 'password' when using the passwd command? |
| 20:08.35 | twobitsp1ite | Hanmac: what do you mean? |
| 20:08.48 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, I guess it's the same thing |
| 20:09.07 | Dulcin | because it's asking me to fill out both, is one less secure than the other? |
| 20:09.12 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: you mean the different prompts you get when you run passwd? |
| 20:09.16 | Dulcin | yes |
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| 20:09.39 | Dulcin | is it not secure to fill out the same password in both cases? |
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| 20:09.47 | [CBH]Edward | Apt-get update not working |
| 20:09.48 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: it first prompts you for your existing password for security, then it asks you for the new password you want to set it to, then prompts for you to enter the new password again to make sure you typed it right |
| 20:09.59 | twobitsp1ite | !tell [CBH]Edward about doesn't work |
| 20:10.02 | twobitsp1ite | %tell [CBH]Edward about doesn't work |
| 20:10.03 | [CBH]Edward | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze Release.gpg |
| 20:10.03 | [CBH]Edward | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.21 | twobitsp1ite | [CBH]Edward: sounds like a DNS or other connectivity problem |
| 20:10.26 | twobitsp1ite | [CBH]Edward: can you contact anything else? |
| 20:10.27 | [CBH]Edward | It doesn't resolve correctly I believe |
| 20:10.28 | [CBH]Edward | It's not |
| 20:10.29 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, I guess it's just bad usability design that makes life for newcomers unnecessarily more difficult |
| 20:10.31 | [CBH]Edward | I've pinged it |
| 20:10.46 | [CBH]Edward | twobitsp1ite: I can ping google.com and the actual ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:10.46 | twobitsp1ite | kkulhavy: what's bad about it? |
| 20:11.10 | Hanmac | yea the ~/(.root/)lib should have higher priority ... |
| 20:11.20 | Dulcin | twobitsp1ite: It asked me for new password first (logged in with root, changing password of user) and then asked for new UNIX password second |
| 20:11.30 | Dulcin | kkulhavy: that's all there is to it? :) wow :D |
| 20:11.32 | twobitsp1ite | Hanmac: no, the answer is to not mix versions of libraries :) |
| 20:11.47 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, can u make a screenshot? Can't imagine that |
| 20:11.57 | Dulcin | sure |
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| 20:12.30 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, mine uses 3 times the term "UNIX password" and never the term "password" |
| 20:12.43 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, I ran the command "passwd" in xterm |
| 20:13.25 | Dulcin | www.dulcin.nl/temp/unix-passwd.png |
| 20:13.57 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, seeing this the first time |
| 20:14.08 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, is it a Debian system? I will try to reproduce on mine |
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| 20:14.46 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: that's an awefully high UID... are you using LDAP or something? |
| 20:14.50 | Dulcin | yes, it should be debian 6.0 |
| 20:14.59 | Dulcin | It's a virtual host |
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| 20:15.06 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, mine says just "Enter new UNIX password:" and "Retype new UNIX password:" |
| 20:15.07 | Dulcin | virtual server |
| 20:15.13 | kkulhavy | So mine asks 2 times, yours asks 4 times |
| 20:15.18 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: that doesn't answer my question :) |
| 20:15.39 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, I am perplexed :) |
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| 20:15.41 | Dulcin | twobitsp1ite: well I'm not sure what they're using, how can I check it? |
| 20:15.55 | swilson06 | i tried to update bind9 package and it fails. i try to run named -u bind -t /var/chroot/bind9/ and it doesn't do anything. any ideas? |
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| 20:15.59 | Dulcin | kkulhavy: I thought it was weird :p thats why I checked |
| 20:16.04 | twobitsp1ite | Dulcin: maybe you need to ask your vhost provider... because if you don't know how it's set up, we can't help you :) |
| 20:16.06 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, for me is definitely weird |
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| 20:16.50 | jelly-home | swilson06: which debian release? |
| 20:16.50 | Tobbe | where is our bot? (dpkg) |
| 20:16.54 | Dulcin | mmmm could it be plesk related perhaps? |
| 20:17.01 | twobitsp1ite | Tobbe: sleeping, use dselect |
| 20:17.01 | jelly-home | Tobbe: use dselect instead |
| 20:17.05 | twobitsp1ite | <-- win |
| 20:17.07 | twobitsp1ite | :P |
| 20:17.19 | Dulcin | i see jelly-home first |
| 20:17.24 | twobitsp1ite | aww |
| 20:17.28 | Dulcin | :D |
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| 20:17.43 | swilson06 | it's squeeze |
| 20:17.46 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, I guess it has some reason which can be determined after 6 months of digging in mutually contradictory FAQs and HOWTOs in various unpredictable stages of obsolescence about Linux on the Internet |
| 20:17.55 | jelly-home | %tell swilson06 about BAT |
| 20:18.18 | Dulcin | kkulhavy: i'll put that on my to-do list. |
| 20:18.25 | jelly-home | swilson06: can you provide the info dselect bot asked you about in the private message |
| 20:18.44 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, is this behaviour actually causing you some problem? |
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| 20:19.09 | Dulcin | not at all, i just created a new ssh user and thought it was a bit strange so I wanted to know what the difference was, wether both were secure |
| 20:19.11 | swilson06 | yeah, i'll pastebin it... |
| 20:19.12 | jelly-home | Dulcin: do you in fact have plesk installed? |
| 20:19.13 | swilson06 | sec |
| 20:19.14 | Tobbe | meh, can't remember what to ask the bot for to help me with backporting :( It's some three letter combination... |
| 20:19.15 | Dulcin | should I keep them the same or not, etc. :D |
| 20:19.27 | Dulcin | jelly-home: yes I do |
| 20:19.30 | babilen | Tobbe: You are looking for "ssb" |
| 20:19.34 | Tobbe | yes :) |
| 20:19.43 | babilen | Tobbe: Also known as "simple sid backport" |
| 20:19.43 | NuclearMeltdown | I was away sorry |
| 20:19.45 | NuclearMeltdown | What's the command to make gdm3 not start at boot? |
| 20:19.47 | jelly-home | Dulcin: if you do, mind that it replaces and changes configuration of important parts of your system -- you're running Plesk now, not Debian |
| 20:19.52 | jelly-home | %plesk |
| 20:19.52 | dselect | Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:20.06 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, LOL, maybe they tell u now that your warranty is voided :) |
| 20:20.14 | Tobbe | babilen: Ahh, thanks. Might make it easier to remember :) |
| 20:20.26 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, I would probably just set both the same and hope I don't have to deal with this issue anymore |
| 20:20.35 | babilen | Tobbe: That is why I mentioned it. :) |
| 20:20.54 | Dulcin | Damnit, I didn't know that. I thought plesk ran like a something extra on debian, and for only 10 euros a month extra or so, I couldn't care less |
| 20:20.57 | NuclearMeltdown | Got it nevermind |
| 20:21.16 | jelly-home | Dulcin: it is extra, _lots_ of extra stuff |
| 20:21.30 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, you could know, if you did a googling work worth of 10,000 $ :D |
| 20:21.35 | swilson06 | http://paste.debian.net/122717/ |
| 20:21.59 | Dulcin | kkulhavy: I'm just lazy that way :P |
| 20:22.12 | Dulcin | I do not have the right mentality, it shows now |
| 20:22.13 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, I can understand. I would probably do the same. |
| 20:22.31 | Dulcin | but still plesk will probably save me time as well |
| 20:22.40 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, I guess with Linux, the cost of finding out how to behave optimal is more than gain from behaving optimal |
| 20:22.51 | Dulcin | since I've just started using debian a week ago |
| 20:23.01 | jelly-home | Dulcin: that's possible, but you're still better understanding how things work, long term |
| 20:23.06 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis |
| 20:23.36 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, I guess in this case the so called "laziness" is actually the optimal way :) |
| 20:23.44 | Dulcin | jelly-home: yeah that's why I try to do everyting through CLI, but if it's something I need done easy like creating a subdomain I choose to use plesk in this case |
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| 20:24.16 | Tobbe | Is there any way to get info about the package I'm about to backport? The package I'm about to backport (npm) is one thing in unstable and one thing in Sid. I just want to make sure I get the right one |
| 20:24.22 | Dulcin | i guess it's best to do all through CLI and just force myself |
| 20:24.39 | twobitsp1ite | Tobbe: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 20:24.40 | Tobbe | apt-cache search doesn't seem to work when I only have the src in my sources.list |
| 20:24.45 | twobitsp1ite | Tobbe: is that what you're looking for? |
| 20:24.47 | Dulcin | kkulhavy: yeah, though at one point experience in linux should pay off, shouldn't it? :D |
| 20:25.06 | twobitsp1ite | Tobbe: you can also apt-get -t <distro> to force downloading from a particular distro |
| 20:25.38 | Tobbe | twobitsp1ite: "apt-cache policy" says "Unable to locate package" |
| 20:25.40 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, god knows - recently I invested 4 1/2 hour work at customer's to make a scanner work under Ubuntu. Failed. The customer has to pay this time. I guess he could have a bunch of new scanners for that price. |
| 20:25.52 | jelly-home | Tobbe: yeah, policy only deals with binary packages, not sources |
| 20:26.02 | jelly-home | Tobbe: you can do apt-cache showsrc though |
| 20:26.17 | Dulcin | kkulhavy: just lower your price, so it's beneficial for the customer :P |
| 20:26.21 | kkulhavy | lol |
| 20:26.23 | jelly-home | Tobbe: apt-cache showsrc packagename I mean |
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| 20:26.57 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, I would rather see Linux to be easily usable |
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| 20:27.29 | kkulhavy | means, people don't have to ask on IRC every time they want to change their password |
| 20:27.33 | jelly-home | kkulhavy: "investigate hardware compatibility before buying" |
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| 20:27.53 | kkulhavy | jelly-home, no scanner works on that Ubuntu, it's some internal software problem |
| 20:28.06 | Tobbe | jelly-home: Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for. But man the repo had an old version of that package :( |
| 20:28.06 | kkulhavy | jelly-home, we tried various ones, and all ran on Debian |
| 20:28.50 | jelly-home | kkulhavy: so it's a software issue, solvable in theory |
| 20:28.58 | kkulhavy | Dulcin, example, this password program could print an explanation what's the diffeernce between "password" and "UNIX password" |
| 20:29.05 | jhutchins_lt | I have an alias defined in /etc/aliases, and have run newalias, which triggered a postfix restart. When I send mail to this alias as root, it delivers. When mail for that alias arrives from an external address, I get "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table;". What am I doing wrong? |
| 20:29.18 | kkulhavy | jelly-home, yes, by deleting Ubuntu and installing Debian |
| 20:29.31 | jelly-home | kkulhavy: that's IS an excellent approach! |
| 20:29.53 | kkulhavy | jelly-home, unfortunately it destroys many many hours of other work |
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| 20:30.18 | kkulhavy | so the customer tried LTSP on SuSE and decided to have Ubuntu and SuSE dualboot |
| 20:30.29 | kkulhavy | cause on SuSE LTSP happens to work |
| 20:30.46 | jelly-home | he is a foo who bases their work on unusual, unstable platforms |
| 20:31.08 | kkulhavy | now I am afraid that the customer is being unfairly criticized |
| 20:31.27 | jelly-home | oh I'm not talking about your customer in particular |
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| 20:34.10 | Mirrakor | Hi there is it possible that debian squeeze for ARM uses iso-5589-1 encoding? |
| 20:34.27 | jelly-home | Dulcin: the symptoms described sound like PAM or NSS/resolver configuration is messed up, verify files in /etc/pam.d/ and /etc/nsswitch.conf have not been changed compared to a plain Debian 6 install |
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| 20:34.45 | jelly-home | Mirrakor: 8859-1? |
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| 20:36.26 | jelly-home | Mirrakor: anything is possible given enough configuration or software tweaking |
| 20:36.27 | Dulcin | kkulhavy: lol |
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| 20:36.44 | Dulcin | jelly-home: ILl check it out |
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| 20:37.17 | jelly-home | Dulcin: passwd command in particular uses /etc/pam.d/passwd and includes /etc/pam.d/common* |
| 20:37.22 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, that you're using postfix? :-P ... well, I only used exim... anything interesting in /var/log/mail* and probably /var/log/postfix/ ? You can probably run the daemon in the foreground in verbose mode and see what it does... |
| 20:37.57 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: have run "newaliases", typo? |
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| 20:38.39 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: pastebin your postconf -n and at least 50-100 lines of mail.log |
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| 20:40.57 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Thanks, tharkun is helping me in postfix. The aliases without domain names are not applying globablly, which is what I expected. |
| 20:41.30 | jelly-home | ah, yet another case of asking in multiple channels |
| 20:41.40 | jelly-home | shame on you! |
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| 20:46.12 | [CBH]Edward | Guys |
| 20:46.20 | [CBH]Edward | any ideas how to fix the apt-get update issue? |
| 20:46.23 | [CBH]Edward | I'm sshing in fine |
| 20:46.31 | [CBH]Edward | resolv.conf is google's servers |
| 20:46.34 | [CBH]Edward | 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
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| 20:48.58 | epsilon | which issue? |
| 20:49.07 | Bushmills | "the" issue :) |
| 20:49.15 | epsilon | uhhh... |
| 20:50.05 | Bushmills | [CBH]Edward: you'd start by determining what the cause of "the issue" is |
| 20:50.14 | epsilon | if it's THE issue, then you're lost... maybe you have still some small chance with Ubuntu |
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| 20:50.24 | Bushmills | once you know that, you think about how it could be solved |
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| 20:52.54 | PawnStar | hi all. what do you folks think about software that costs money |
| 20:53.00 | PawnStar | but includes its source, perhaps |
| 20:53.07 | Hanmac | with the issue did you mean someone installed bumblebee? |
| 20:53.14 | jelly-home | PawnStar: all the best |
| 20:53.17 | wols | PawnStar: offtopic. ask some other channel |
| 20:53.30 | PawnStar | which channel? |
| 20:53.59 | wols | #defocus, ##linux. I don't know. but not here |
| 20:54.02 | Mirrakor | jelly-home: yes, sorry 8859-1? |
| 20:54.08 | jelly-home | PawnStar: #debian-offtopic ? |
| 20:54.33 | jelly-home | Mirrakor: what's the real issue? |
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| 21:03.42 | Dulcin | I'm off to bed! Night everyone |
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| 21:05.23 | poisonbit | I'm on to code! Good night everyone! |
| 21:05.40 | simonlnu | g'night |
| 21:05.41 | Iridos | haha... how inconvenient... the filesystem is read-only because some error occured and $HOME/.Xauthority is root-owned for some reason |
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| 21:07.17 | poisonbit | Iridos, asking for help or just commenting? |
| 21:07.49 | epsilon | I'd check the smart |
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| 21:09.12 | Iridos | poisonbit, just a comment while I copy the files :) |
| 21:09.25 | poisonbit | :) |
| 21:09.28 | Iridos | epsilon, hm, that's actually a good idea... if the disk is gone it's probably time to trash the laptop |
| 21:10.20 | cromag | how do i find out what kernel 6.0 uses on the ISO cd's |
| 21:10.21 | cromag | ? |
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| 21:10.46 | poisonbit | 2.6.32 ? |
| 21:10.56 | poisonbit | I don't get it |
| 21:11.16 | cromag | i'm trying to find out where i find that information :) |
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| 21:11.31 | poisonbit | if you have a installer at hand, fire a virtual machine (or pyshicall one), boot and change to tty1 and see here |
| 21:11.51 | poisonbit | I think it's the same kernel as release, by logic |
| 21:12.12 | twobitsp1ite | poisonbit: there might be a minor security change in the repos than on the CDs |
| 21:12.36 | Iridos | no... "RAW_READ_RATE" is zero, as are the other ones I would think critical |
| 21:12.40 | poisonbit | sure, minor change |
| 21:12.48 | twobitsp1ite | poisonbit: but yeah, the actual kernel version should be the same... it'll just be something like 2.6.32-6 instead of 2.6.32.5 |
| 21:12.57 | Iridos | %kernels |
| 21:12.59 | cromag | same kernal as release ? - not sure what you mean by that - 6.0.2 is the release of debian, 2.6.39 i think, is satble on kernel.org |
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| 21:13.04 | poisonbit | cromag, maybe http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ has links to docs and wiki, good luck if it's documented :) |
| 21:13.12 | twobitsp1ite | oh noes, did we lose dselect too? |
| 21:13.14 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 21:13.14 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 21:13.19 | Iridos | twobitsp1ite, wrong bot :-P |
| 21:13.30 | twobitsp1ite | :) |
| 21:13.35 | Iridos | cromag, that's one way... you ask judd |
| 21:13.38 | cromag | hah yes :) |
| 21:13.40 | cromag | thanks :) |
| 21:14.01 | poisonbit | telnet kernel.org 79 # list too many stable versions |
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| 21:14.26 | twobitsp1ite | there's also always packages.debian.org if you just want to know what's in the repos |
| 21:14.32 | Sami345 | I have a problem error=/usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found (required by bin/libsteam.so) |
| 21:14.32 | poisonbit | "same as release" I was talking about debian releases, not kernel releases |
| 21:15.01 | cromag | ah |
| 21:15.06 | cromag | well - thanks for now at least :) |
| 21:15.08 | poisonbit | cromag! |
| 21:15.12 | cromag | poisonbit ! |
| 21:15.12 | poisonbit | file -b /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 21:15.19 | poisonbit | try it on iso kernel |
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| 21:15.45 | poisonbit | you can mount the iso with -o loop |
| 21:16.14 | cromag | i'll give that a go in the morning - but what would that do for me ? |
| 21:16.28 | poisonbit | $ file -b /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 21:16.29 | poisonbit | Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (unknown@Debian), RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x2, Normal VGA |
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| 21:16.48 | poisonbit | search for a vmlinuz file in the iso and try file -b on it |
| 21:16.50 | twobitsp1ite | poisonbit: well, the version is already in the file name, why run "file -b" on it? |
| 21:16.58 | cromag | for some reason i thought it was possible without downloading :) |
| 21:16.59 | Iridos | dselect, cd contents |
| 21:16.59 | dselect | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
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| 21:17.20 | poisonbit | ok, /me shuts up xD |
| 21:17.21 | Iridos | cromag, ^^^ to see what is on the installer CD... |
| 21:17.23 | twobitsp1ite | ahh ha, an Iridos comes to save the day the Right Way |
| 21:17.26 | cromag | Iridos: thanks :) |
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| 21:18.34 | Tigerboy | Question: Connect to my remote webserver via FTP-- for some reason no matter what FTP prog I use-- it reports to the server the internal subnet IP of my computer-- so hence it is getting blocked because the firewall and hosts allow file is set to allow only my external IP address... when I add my subnet ip to the FTP service in hosts allow then it works. I am using Fios with an added internal firewall which uses a Linux firmwa |
| 21:18.34 | Tigerboy | re |
| 21:18.38 | Iridos | I think we now suggested a plethora of possibilities... if you want one different from those, you'll have to make them up yourself :) |
| 21:18.49 | Tigerboy | --I am using passive mode |
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| 21:21.03 | KjetilK | I'm having some problems getting my HP Deskjet 6980 to print duplex, it worked fine on Lenny |
| 21:22.00 | xindz | Is it possible to download Debian 5 lenny ? Can't find it on Sunet :/ |
| 21:22.05 | KjetilK | it is attached to my network as a network printer, and has a HTTP server that has some pages saying it has been configured correctly with an installed duplex unit and everything |
| 21:22.33 | Iridos | dselect, cd archive |
| 21:22.33 | dselect | A repository of older CD images can be found at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ . Excluding the current <oldstable> release, these are unsupported in #debian. |
| 21:22.37 | Iridos | xindz, ^^^^ |
| 21:23.00 | KjetilK | I'm using KDE and strangely the printer config doesn't show up in the system settings |
| 21:23.18 | KjetilK | I figured that may be a good start, and it appears as it may be a Debian problem |
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| 21:24.08 | subuser | what're these people talking about at http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-1999-0661 where they're saying 'BUGTRAQ: 20021113 Latest libpcap & tcpdump sources from tcpdump.org contain a trojan'? |
| 21:24.13 | Iridos | KjetilK, the cups configuration is visible at http://localhost:631 |
| 21:24.32 | KjetilK | Iridos, ok, I'll look |
| 21:24.39 | subuser | i found this page on the http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnid=CVE-1999-0661 webpage |
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| 21:25.05 | Iridos | to change stuff you have to enter the root password, which is ok, because it's not going out over the network but only goes to localhost |
| 21:25.14 | KjetilK | yup |
| 21:25.15 | subuser | was that a temporary thing? |
| 21:25.30 | KjetilK | I thought I wasn't using CUPS at all though, but perhaps I am... |
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| 21:25.55 | hehe | is anyone familiar with Nvidia's Optimus technology and its functionality under Debian? |
| 21:26.00 | markatto | I have increased the maximum number of file descriptors in /etc/security/limits.conf to 8192, but my shell still has a hard ulimit of 1024. Is there another file i need to change? |
| 21:26.18 | Iridos | KjetilK, you should check in the bts if there are any known bugs... apart from that... I always found it difficult to find out what goes wrong when something goes wrong with cups |
| 21:26.41 | KjetilK | nods |
| 21:26.46 | Iridos | KjetilK, what are you using instead if not cups? I thought everything runs with cups these days |
| 21:27.24 | Bushmills | hehe: to my knowledge, it is not well supported. there's a project going attempting to provide better support, which may come later this year |
| 21:27.51 | jhutchins_lt | What's the command to load a new file in vi? |
| 21:27.54 | hehe | Bushmills, do you mean bumbleebee? |
| 21:27.58 | Tigerboy | anyone know a good irc channel to ask networking questions |
| 21:28.06 | hehe | #networking ? |
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| 21:28.14 | Tigerboy | no |
| 21:28.19 | KjetilK | Iridos, yeah, I was under the impression that KDE communicated with the printer directly with the printers own protocol, but I'll have to look into that... |
| 21:28.41 | mark76 | X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (experimental) |
| 21:29.04 | mark76 | Should an experimental package be in stable? |
| 21:29.11 | Bushmills | hehe: if that's the google summer of code project towards supporting optimus, then yes. |
| 21:30.00 | Iridos | xindz, please keep it here. Just follow the url from the factoid and you end up... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.1a/amd64/ where you find direct links in "iso-cd" (including the netinstall and bittorrent-files in bt-cd (and so on) |
| 21:30.21 | xindz | Sorry, already found it |
| 21:30.37 | Bushmills | hehe: currently there's afaik only vga_switcheroo, which allows switching to one or the other of the video controllers before boot |
| 21:30.39 | Bushmills | ## |
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| 21:31.01 | Iridos | markatto, you also have to increase the soft-limit for the change to take effect (and don't ask me why) |
| 21:31.06 | hehe | Bushmills, do you know if it is easily possible and stable to not have some kind of AI switching the graphics card on and off but doing it on the command line? |
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| 21:31.38 | Iridos | Tigerboy, that's ##networking here... |
| 21:31.45 | Bushmills | hehe: no such tool known to me |
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| 21:32.32 | hehe | Bushmills, thanks for your hints |
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| 21:34.55 | markatto | Iridos: I have set both the hard and the soft limits, but it still won't let me set it above 1024 as a non-root user |
| 21:35.34 | markatto | i only have ssh access from this machine- does ssh override the PAM limits or something? |
| 21:35.54 | Iridos | markatto, you also have to log out and back in... (you can test if you ssh to localhost as well) |
| 21:36.03 | markatto | Iridos: I rebooted the machine |
| 21:36.10 | Iridos | that's not needed |
| 21:36.25 | poisonbit | as if I where upstream... what happens if I include a file that says: "License: Public Domain" in my project repo, and my project has other license... can I do this? and if yes... just pick a note on my LICENSE file pointing "author" to that file ? |
| 21:36.56 | markatto | Iridos: perhaps, but logging in again wasn't working |
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| 21:37.32 | Iridos | it worked for me when I added two lines: "* hard nofile 2048" and "* soft nofile 2048" (without the quotes of course) |
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| 21:37.50 | markatto | i have |
| 21:37.53 | markatto | * hard nofile 8192 |
| 21:37.57 | markatto | and the same with soft |
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| 21:38.23 | Iridos | ssh should use pam... it does in a default squeeze setup.. security.conf wouldn't work if your sshd is configured not to use pam |
| 21:38.54 | Iridos | it also has to be enabled in the pam config... but all that is true for a regular squeeze install |
| 21:40.24 | markatto | Iridos: I have `required pam_limits.so' in sshd_config |
| 21:41.06 | Iridos | that's not the syntax for sshd_config |
| 21:41.12 | markatto | er |
| 21:41.16 | markatto | in the pam sshd file |
| 21:41.27 | Iridos | sshd_config just contains: UsePAM yes |
| 21:41.46 | markatto | yeah that |
| 21:43.00 | Iridos | and it's "session required pam_limits.so" in "/etc/pam.d/sshd" |
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| 21:44.19 | markatto | Iridos: yup got both of those |
| 21:44.42 | KjetilK | very, very weird... It turned out that I had to chose paper type "A4 Autoduplex" to be able to chose "duplexer installed", but even with that enabled and things looking ok, it doesn't print two-sided... |
| 21:45.00 | Iridos | and I think for open files there is no real "hard" or "soft" limit possible, so even when it's just the "soft" limit, it's still shown in ulimit |
| 21:46.02 | markatto | Iridos: well i set both of them in /etc/security/limits |
| 21:46.17 | markatto | but ulimit -n gives me 1024 |
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| 21:46.55 | markatto | and ulimit -n 2048 gives me "-su: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted" |
| 21:47.12 | Iridos | only root can change that |
| 21:47.21 | Iridos | you can change it as root, then su into a user account |
| 21:47.40 | markatto | Iridos: a user should be able to change their soft lmit right? |
| 21:47.52 | markatto | anyhow, both hard and soft are still 1024 |
| 21:47.56 | Iridos | no |
| 21:48.13 | Iridos | no process can ever be allowed to increase the limits if the process isn't owned by root |
| 21:48.20 | Iridos | anything else would be insane |
| 21:49.25 | jelly-home | they can increase the soft limit up to the hard limit |
| 21:49.38 | markatto | Iridos: my understanding is that a soft limit can be changed as lng as it is under the hard limit? |
| 21:49.40 | Iridos | oh, ok |
| 21:49.51 | markatto | anyways, it's irrelevant as the hard limit is still getting set |
| 21:49.56 | jelly-home | and soft limit is the effective one |
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| 21:50.14 | Iridos | hm, lemme try |
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| 21:51.14 | zamn`irssi | hey how can i make it so that the motd runs a script |
| 21:51.25 | zamn`irssi | well not a script but allows commands |
| 21:51.30 | Iridos | markatto, ha, you're right... if I change hard limit to 3048 and have soft at 2048, ulimit -n prints 2048, but I can set it to 3048 (but not more) |
| 21:51.54 | zamn`irssi | like i want echo "hello `whoami`" in my motd |
| 21:52.19 | Iridos | markatto, that explains why both have to be set to effectively change the limit... ulimit gets set to the soft limit but you're allowed to increase it to the hard limit |
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| 21:53.12 | Iridos | short visit |
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| 21:54.18 | Iridos | saves typing an answer, though |
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| 21:55.13 | jelly-home | they switched to ##linux |
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| 21:55.49 | Iridos | markatto, you could add "debug" after pam_limits.so in /etc/pam.d/sshd |
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| 21:59.34 | markatto | Iridos: what is the effect of that? |
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| 22:02.04 | Iridos | markatto, prints messages to syslog? |
| 22:02.15 | Iridos | markatto, man 8 pam_limits |
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| 22:03.15 | markatto | Iridos: I don't see anything in syslog |
| 22:04.51 | KjetilK | aha, yet another dialog to set duplex, now it works again :-) |
| 22:04.53 | Iridos | I don't see where else it would "Print debug information" |
| 22:05.00 | Iridos | KjetilK, \o/ |
| 22:05.12 | Iridos | KjetilK, but it was cups, right? |
| 22:05.18 | KjetilK | Iridos, yup, it was |
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| 22:05.40 | KjetilK | I saw in my logs |
| 22:05.42 | KjetilK | Christopher 170 kjetil [12/Jul/2011:23:43:54 +0200] 1 1 - localhost icdt2010_cr-1.pdf Custom.272x203mm one-sided |
| 22:06.00 | KjetilK | so, it had to be getting wrong information from somewhere |
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| 22:07.55 | KjetilK | and it turned out to be the options tab in the KDE printing, it can be set there too, in addition to printer Properties dialog |
| 22:08.04 | KjetilK | and it doesn't seem to be saved... |
| 22:08.31 | KjetilK | oh well, now that I know, I can at least get two-sided printouts |
| 22:08.44 | markatto | I don't think it's an ssh thing, i echoed out the ulimit settins in rc.local and it's still 1024 |
| 22:09.50 | jelly-home | markatto: the settings of the script running rc.local, which is run by init(1), won't be affected by PAM settings |
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| 22:10.16 | markatto | jelly-home: ahh that makes sense, login will never be called |
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| 22:10.37 | Iridos | and I never said it's an ssh thing either... |
| 22:10.53 | Iridos | I just tried adding debug as an option and can't see any messages either |
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| 22:11.19 | jelly-home | wfm! |
| 22:11.40 | jelly-home | -n: file descriptors 4096 |
| 22:12.03 | mathias_ | Hey there, after installing the basesystem I get this error message: "The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into '/target/'." Lilo is throwing the same error. I used the newest stable DVD image from the site. Any help? |
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| 22:13.14 | jelly-home | mathias_: switch to Alt-F2 console, chroot into /target, see what happens with lilo (or grub-pc) |
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| 22:14.07 | mathias_ | jelly-home: Okay, "grub-pc: not found" |
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| 22:14.11 | markatto | hmm, i'm using an image from rackspace, maybe they effed somethin up royally? |
| 22:14.36 | jelly-home | mathias_: that |
| 22:14.43 | jelly-home | mathias_: that's the package name, not the app name |
| 22:14.54 | jelly-home | mathias_: install it |
| 22:14.58 | mathias_ | How? |
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| 22:15.20 | jelly-home | mathias_: the usual way. aptitude install packagename |
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| 22:17.14 | themill | Is there a canonical way of working out what ttf file corresponds to a particular font name? |
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| 22:18.42 | Iridos | themill, I asked that a couple of days ago... well, nearly that |
| 22:18.59 | antivirtel | can someone help me in this question: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16556/how-to-send-non-local-mail-with-gmailgapps-smtp ? |
| 22:19.49 | Iridos | themill, now only have to remember the helpful command (which I'm not sure does exactly this)... the helpful url was fonts.debian.org - not sure that gives you the exact filename |
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| 22:20.33 | jelly-home | antivirtel: configure your MTA to use gmail's mail servers on submission port with your full address as login and the usual password |
| 22:20.35 | themill | ahh... fonts.d.n (tarzeau's site) |
| 22:21.35 | Iridos | themill, fc-list : family style file spacing |grep -i $yourfont |
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| 22:21.45 | jelly-home | antivirtel: http://www.google.com/search?q=exim4+gmail |
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| 22:22.12 | jelly-home | antivirtel: first result is the debian wiki page! |
| 22:22.18 | themill | Iridos: \o/ thanks |
| 22:22.26 | markatto | jelly-home: any idea where I go from here? afaict nothing that I set in /etc/security/limits.conf is respected |
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| 22:22.37 | Iridos | themill, well, that's actually what I made up after stew put me onto fc-list ... perhaps there's some better syntax |
| 22:22.44 | antivirtel | jelly-home yeah, I tried some tutorials... they couldt help me :$ |
| 22:23.02 | antivirtel | out of date tutorials :$ |
| 22:23.11 | themill | Iridos: now onwards to discover that this font is actually in a local package of unknown parentage. bugger. |
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| 22:23.39 | babilen | themill: which font is it? |
| 22:24.21 | themill | babilen: "Contrans" which is ContransRoman.otf from some package ttf-jameskilfiger that I got from I have absolutely no idea where now :( |
| 22:24.35 | Iridos | themill, hehe... |
| 22:25.03 | babilen | Hmm, doesn't ring a bell |
| 22:25.12 | jelly-home | I'll Kil YOUR figer |
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| 22:25.26 | babilen | google suggests http://sid.ethz.ch/debian/ttf-jameskilfiger/ |
| 22:25.45 | themill | %dbugs 477339 |
| 22:25.49 | dselect | DONE:#477339:W[wnpp] ITP: ttf-jameskilfiger -- Several fonts of James Kilfiger (); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:18:09 UTC [] |
| 22:25.54 | themill | babilen: it's a tarzeau special... |
| 22:25.54 | jelly-home | figer it out |
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| 22:27.02 | Iridos | themill, I looked for "Nimbus Sans L"... which I found out should be in typo3-src--something... but is apparently provided by gsfonts for me... well... still doesn't seem so straight-forward |
| 22:27.03 | babilen | themill: #477339 (seems to be gone these days) -- tarzeau special? sounds delicious :) |
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| 22:27.07 | jelly-home | themill: you're using fonts with UNCLEAR LICENSING?! |
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| 22:27.14 | babilen | *the horror* |
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| 22:27.46 | Iridos | /o\ |
| 22:27.57 | babilen | just uses linux libertine and is happy |
| 22:28.38 | BlackFate | hello! is it possible for mdadm raid to start with only "DEVICES /dev/[hs]d*" inside /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf? i got a server and the software raid is ready with only this line inside the config |
| 22:28.58 | Iridos | SIL open font licence? |
| 22:29.28 | jelly-home | BlackFate: it's possible, but it's strongly suggested to put the correct ARRAY lines in there |
| 22:30.10 | BlackFate | jelly-home, i see! i will! btw. how is it possible (for the knowledge) |
| 22:30.46 | jelly-home | BlackFate: autoconfiguration by the kernel (deprecated), or from the initramfs -- it can have some bad consequences |
| 22:31.22 | jelly-home | BlackFate: if the partitions that are array members have type |
| 22:31.45 | jelly-home | fd (253) it signals the kernel that MD autoconfiguration can be used |
| 22:31.55 | jelly-home | (or should?) |
| 22:32.06 | Iridos | themill, actually, I don't understand that... the used license explicitely states its DFSG compatibility http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=ofl#6c6c80bc w |
| 22:32.19 | kdog | I go to dutifully report a bug with reportbug and it hangs.....not good. |
| 22:32.20 | BlackFate | jelly-home, oh i see! thanx again!! |
| 22:32.34 | jelly-home | BlackFate: if you have a custom kernel that has all the required drivers (plus MD support) compiled in, the kernel does its own thing |
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| 22:32.48 | BlackFate | jelly-home, it the default debian kernel |
| 22:33.05 | BlackFate | its* |
| 22:33.12 | jelly-home | BlackFate: ah. the default debian kernel doesn't act that silly |
| 22:33.29 | ompaul | Iridos: what now? |
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| 22:33.50 | jelly-home | BlackFate: but mdadm package can still be configured to bring up all the arrays at start (this can be changed with dpkg-reconfigure mdadm) |
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| 22:34.49 | BlackFate | jelly-home, mdadm --examine --scan for the mdadm.conf reconstruction? |
| 22:35.11 | jelly-home | BlackFate: yeah. that's basically what /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf script does |
| 22:35.23 | BlackFate | ah good |
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| 22:37.23 | Iridos | ompaul, what now what |
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| 22:37.48 | kdog | tries the CL reportbug route |
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| 22:38.44 | Iridos | themill, ops, did I say fonts.debian.org? I meant of course fonts.debian.net |
| 22:39.00 | Iridos | mmh "of course" what's the difference between debian.org and debian.net |
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| 22:41.55 | themill | dselect: tell jelly-home about install font |
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| 22:50.46 | ironm | good evening. I have troubles with bnx2 driver (HP DL385g7) using wheezy - s. http://paste.debian.net/122723/ |
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| 22:51.24 | ironm | do you have any idea why I have such message in dmesg log file when bootin xen-kernel 2.6-39-2 or a normal one?thank you in advance for any hints ;) |
| 22:51.58 | ironm | [ 1.653964] bnx2: Can't load firmware file "bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-6.2.1a.fw" |
| 22:52.16 | ironm | it is NOT a mips machine |
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| 22:58.53 | jelly-home | ironm: your network card IS |
| 22:59.11 | jelly-home | ironm: install firmware-bnx2 |
| 22:59.24 | jelly-home | judd: versions firmware-bnx2 |
| 22:59.26 | judd | Package firmware-bnx2 on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; wheezy/non-free: 0.30; sid/non-free: 0.32 |
| 22:59.32 | jelly-home | yeah, that's the thing |
| 23:00.26 | jelly-home | ironm: you can eg. download the package, make an iso image and mount it via iLO |
| 23:00.43 | jelly-home | assuming you have an iLO advanced license |
| 23:01.05 | jelly-home | %proliant |
| 23:01.05 | dselect | HP ProLiant utilities for Lenny i386/amd64 systems are available in the <proliant sources.list> repo now! See <proliant ftp> for the older iso image with package. Also see <bnx2>, <nc375i>, <netxen>. http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant http://hp.com/go/debian |
| 23:01.46 | ironm | jelly-home, thank you very much. I have installed however the package (s. below) |
| 23:01.49 | ironm | # --- |
| 23:01.54 | ironm | root@debian:/home/ironm/XEN-LIVE-PUBLIC/dlpxen9# dpkg -l | grep bnx2 |
| 23:01.55 | ironm | ii firmware-bnx2 0.28 Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII |
| 23:01.58 | ironm | # --- |
| 23:02.05 | ironm | jelly-home, it is a live image |
| 23:02.22 | jelly-home | ironm: rmmod bnx2 and modprobe it again |
| 23:02.34 | ironm | I dont have an anvanced iLO licence |
| 23:02.56 | ironm | thank you . I try it jelly-home |
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| 23:03.31 | jelly-home | ironm: they're worth every penny, esp. the first time you don't have to travel to the datacenter to fix something |
| 23:03.44 | ironm | jelly-home, oOH .. I see .. I need probably 0.30 for wheezy |
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| 23:04.23 | jelly-home | get the very latest you can -- newer packages also contains older formats of firmware for older kernels |
| 23:04.46 | jelly-home | I won't ask why one would be installing testing on a server. |
| 23:05.13 | ironm | jelly-home, it looks like you have right .. however when I pay approx $ 6'000 for such HP DL385g7 server I would expect the advanced iLO licence included |
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| 23:05.55 | jelly-home | ironm: you expect too much from HP |
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| 23:06.23 | jelly-home | if you don't ask, they assume you don't want it |
| 23:06.40 | ironm | jelly-home, it is because I have created xen live image .. I tested it first with squeeze (xen 4.0) .. IOMMU was not recognized SO I moved to wheezy for a test |
| 23:07.17 | jelly-home | ironm: I would have tried kmuto's installer images with updated kernels, first |
| 23:07.20 | jelly-home | %kmuto |
| 23:07.20 | dselect | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.38) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. |
| 23:07.49 | jelly-home | ironm: in short, update the kernel, keep the userspace |
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| 23:08.03 | jelly-home | (if that's possible with xen in mind) |
| 23:08.06 | ironm | great - thanks a lot jelly-home :) |
| 23:08.38 | ironm | jelly-home, do you use HP DL385g7 servers? maybe with xen ?? |
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| 23:09.52 | jelly-home | ironm: no, we only have intel machines, and no xen |
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| 23:10.08 | jelly-home | using vSphere |
| 23:10.59 | ironm | jelly-home, look at http://paste.debian.net/122724/ please |
| 23:12.06 | ironm | it is with wheezy / xen 4.1 on HP DL 385g7 |
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| 23:14.37 | jelly-home | ironm: have you enabled all the virtualization options in BIOS? |
| 23:15.05 | ironm | jelly-home, I have created two live images (you can boot from usb stick) but now one can use IOMMU for HVM (890FX and 6176SE CPUs supportz IOMMU .. however there is no option in BIOS of HP DL 385g7 |
| 23:15.10 | ironm | yes |
| 23:15.21 | jelly-home | and told the BIOS you're going to run Linux? |
| 23:15.22 | ironm | it is only ONE option |
| 23:15.46 | ironm | oOH .. where can I tell the BIOS to run LINUX? |
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| 23:16.05 | jelly-home | it's in there somewhere, at least on Intel-based proliants |
| 23:16.08 | ironm | one server is near me |
| 23:16.30 | ironm | I have checked all BIOS options on HP DL385 g7 |
| 23:16.34 | jelly-home | having iLO licenses would enable you to access the console reomtely |
| 23:16.46 | ironm | the server is near me |
| 23:16.51 | jelly-home | dunno then, ask HP |
| 23:17.38 | jelly-home | knows nothing about xen or amd |
| 23:17.57 | ironm | jelly-home, maybe you would like to test one of these xen live image (from usb-stick) on DL380g7 ? |
| 23:17.59 | ironm | # --- |
| 23:18.02 | ironm | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1169162240 12. Jul 22:57 xen41-wheezy-amd64-live-gnome-binary-hybrid.iso |
| 23:18.02 | ironm | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1153433600 12. Jul 23:10 xen40-squeeze-amd64-live-gnome-binary-hybrid.iso |
| 23:18.04 | ironm | # --- |
| 23:18.45 | ironm | I was thinking about ordering HP DL380g7 @ jelly-home |
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| 23:20.12 | jelly-home | ironm: I don't have a spare one and it's 1am |
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| 23:20.35 | ironm | jelly-home, rsync -avP rsync://www.it-infrastrukturen.ch/ftp/xen40-squeeze-amd64-live-gnome-binary-hybrid.iso . |
| 23:21.16 | jelly-home | that will have to wait, my VPN is kaputt |
| 23:21.29 | ironm | rsync -avP rsync://www.it-infrastrukturen.ch/ftp/xen41-wheezy-amd64-live-gnome-binary-hybrid.iso . |
| 23:21.42 | jelly-home | call tomorrow morning ;-) |
| 23:21.46 | nsadmin | is there a package of firefox/iceweasel 5 for squeeze? |
| 23:21.57 | jelly-home | nsadmin: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 23:22.11 | ironm | it would be just interesting if it work on HP DL intel based servers (HVM) |
| 23:22.15 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 23:23.11 | jelly-home | ironm: well, I can find a G5 or G6 spare but I don't think we have newer machines unassigned at present |
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| 23:25.01 | ironm | jelly-home, even an old one would be interesting - thank you in advance ;) |
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| 23:26.34 | ironm | jelly-home, you can save these images on stick (dd if=./name.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M ) and boot from them. There are some HVM config files in /etc/xen |
| 23:27.29 | jelly-home | ironm: I can save those images as .iso files and boot from them, too |
| 23:27.37 | ironm | yes |
| 23:27.50 | jelly-home | no need for sticks when you have iLO |
| 23:28.16 | ironm | what is the price for the iLO 3 advanced license? |
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| 23:28.38 | jelly-home | if they didn't change it, list price was $150 or so |
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| 23:30.06 | ironm | thank you :) - do you have to use IE (M$) to run it? |
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| 23:31.13 | jelly-home | iLO2 had IE/ActiveX and Java Applets |
| 23:31.31 | jelly-home | so Firefox + Sun Java usually worked |
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| 23:32.20 | jelly-home | but if you're running windows, the ActiveX thing is actually a bit nicer |
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| 23:36.01 | berk | how increase eterm font size using the mouse wheel? |
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| 23:36.24 | ironm | berk could be with shift? |
| 23:36.45 | berk | no |
| 23:36.57 | ironm | jelly-home, I run only linux |
| 23:37.06 | ironm | berk, ctrl? |
| 23:37.30 | berk | no :| |
| 23:37.48 | ironm | berk .. yes with ctrl it works (firefox on linux / gnome ) |
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| 23:38.12 | ironm | i have just tested it |
| 23:38.22 | berk | in eterm? |
| 23:38.47 | berk | im trying to increase eterm font size |
| 23:39.27 | boudiccas | berk; so you said two minutes ago |
| 23:40.50 | berk | once i increased eterm font size using the mouse wheel but i forgot how |
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| 23:57.28 | ironm | jelly-home, to make more easy: http://paste.debian.net/122729/ - thank you :) |
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