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| 00:27.20 | cheasee | hi |
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| 00:28.25 | cheasee | has anybody an idea what i could check if im missing one of two LVs in a VG ? one is active but the second is missing somehow?! paste: http://pastebin.com/3FRgEaD3 |
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| 00:32.40 | zelo | how to delete bin icon from Desktop in gnome2? |
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| 00:33.40 | Crell | Hi folks. I'm trying to install a PHP PECL package (xhprof) on Debian Lenny. When I try, I get a message that phpize needs to be run. Usually that means phpize is missing, because I don't have the php5-dev package installed, but I have verified that I do and phpize is installed. I have successfully installed PECL packages before. Any idea why it's not recognizing phpize? (I already asked in #PHP, they didn't know either.) |
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| 00:35.46 | gNewPower_mobile | Hi friends, please remind me what is the popup which shows notifications in GNOME called? thanks |
| 00:37.03 | zykotick9 | zelo, gconf-editor then uncheck /apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible |
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| 00:41.18 | [CBH]Edward | Hey guys |
| 00:41.24 | [CBH]Edward | apt-get update is not resolving |
| 00:41.37 | Corey | [CBH]Edward: Is DNS working? |
| 00:41.51 | [CBH]Edward | It is |
| 00:41.56 | [CBH]Edward | I can ping google.com fine |
| 00:42.06 | [CBH]Edward | sec, I'm getting the output |
| 00:42.11 | [CBH]Edward | but I'm using debian 6 squeeze |
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| 00:44.19 | [CBH]Edward | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze Release.gpg |
| 00:44.19 | [CBH]Edward | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.19 | [CBH]Edward | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main Translation-en |
| 00:44.23 | [CBH]Edward | And the list continues |
| 00:44.28 | [CBH]Edward | Hold on, I'll paste bin it |
| 00:45.07 | [CBH]Edward | http://pastebin.com/3SWKardw |
| 00:45.29 | [CBH]Edward | nameserver 8.8.4.4 |
| 00:45.37 | [CBH]Edward | wait my bad |
| 00:45.43 | [CBH]Edward | the /etc/resolv.conf is: |
| 00:45.44 | [CBH]Edward | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 00:45.44 | [CBH]Edward | nameserver 8.8.4.4 |
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| 00:48.02 | drasko | dhclient wlan0 gives no effect. What can be wrong? |
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| 00:48.40 | wols | can you ping ftp.us.debian.org? |
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| 00:49.44 | zelo | zykotick9 thank |
| 00:50.02 | [CBH]Edward | wols: 64 bytes from ftp-chi.osuosl.org (64.50.236.52): icmp_req=28 ttl=59 time=471189 ms |
| 00:50.02 | [CBH]Edward | 64 bytes from ftp-chi.osuosl.org (64.50.236.52): icmp_req=29 ttl=59 time=471565 |
| 00:50.06 | [CBH]Edward | Works fine |
| 00:50.09 | [CBH]Edward | the ms looks a bit off though |
| 00:50.29 | drasko | dhclient wlan0 gives no effect. What can be wrong? |
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| 00:52.08 | [CBH]Edward | any error message, drasko? |
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| 00:53.49 | wols | drasko: firmware loaded? associated to an AP? |
| 00:54.55 | [CBH]Edward | wols: Any ideas? |
| 00:55.17 | drasko | [CBH]Edward, No messge at all... Just nothing happends |
| 00:55.28 | drasko | wols, I guess... How to check ? |
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| 00:58.24 | wols | %wifi |
| 00:58.25 | dselect | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 00:59.43 | [CBH]Edward | %apt-getupdate |
| 00:59.46 | [CBH]Edward | %update |
| 00:59.46 | dselect | [update] `aptitude update' grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an aptitude upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. See also <updates>. |
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| 02:09.18 | clipse` | im having this weird issue, when i logged in today i typed w as usual and i saw a root login and then a second later it was gone.. http://pastebin.com/3p6XjAt5 -- any ideas? |
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| 02:10.51 | Python | hi asdjaputra |
| 02:10.58 | asdjaputra | hey |
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| 02:13.02 | abrotman | clipse`: you're in the wrong channel for starters |
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| 02:13.55 | clipse` | why? i figured it still applies even if i was running debian.. im just asking if you know any like possible causes |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | clipse`: please go to #ubuntu, thank you |
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| 02:15.02 | clipse` | so even if you knew a possible cause, "please goto ubuntu" |
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| 02:15.55 | asdjaputra | clipse`, don't demand us like that |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | clipse`: if we wanted to support Ubuntu, we'd be in #ubuntu .. end of discussion, have a nice day |
| 02:16.11 | asdjaputra | if nobody knows the answer, nobody will answer it |
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| 02:17.40 | VZ2iCarly | hi i just installed squeeze 6.0 the wireless card was detected during setup but post-install no networks appear in the network applett when i click on it in gnome... any help on getting the wireless functioning would breatly be appreciatede |
| 02:18.10 | asdjaputra | did you install proprietary firmwares for your card, or is the firmwares free? |
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| 02:18.18 | abrotman | does it need firmware even? |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | VZ2iCarly: lspci -nn may be of some help |
| 02:18.50 | somiaj | could the network manager be ignoring it since the installer could have put info in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 02:18.56 | Python | pastebin the /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf please |
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| 02:20.45 | abrotman | or not ... |
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| 02:21.38 | asdjaputra | there ain't any NetworkManager.conf there |
| 02:21.55 | Python | asdjaputra: o.O |
| 02:22.22 | Python | I just had that issue (no network detected) and it was caused by that |
| 02:22.52 | abrotman | it's there if you use n-m |
| 02:23.43 | Python | somiaj: sudo adduser sumiaj netdev |
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| 02:34.21 | cin | exit |
| 02:34.39 | dvs | !exit |
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| 02:37.46 | skilz | I have BT5-GNOME-32.ISO, is it possible to mount the iso and extract packages to install on debian? |
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| 02:40.40 | volfied | anyone know why the Squeeze netinst defaults to KDE on an Asus eeepc netbook? |
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| 02:46.47 | VZ2iCarly | i have installed the wireless tools gnome package, logged out of gnome and boggren back in but when i click imn the network icon no wifi nets are shbowing |
| 02:48.54 | MrFrood | %tell VZ2iCarly about firmware |
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| 02:52.00 | VZ2iCarly | its an atherso card and setup detected it and was able to connect but i need to switch nets now and ity is not showing the any nets |
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| 02:57.05 | skilz | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 02:57.06 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.06 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.06 | skilz | ImportError: No module named qt |
| 02:57.23 | skilz | do I run a .py file with ./file |
| 02:57.46 | MrFrood | %tell skilz about pastebin |
| 02:59.00 | skilz | MrFrood: I don't want to know anout pastebin, I want to know about python :D |
| 02:59.39 | MrFrood | %tell skilz about python |
| 03:00.22 | Wooga | hello, i have two questions inone: how do i change nouveau frambuffer resolution / or how do i boot XEN with blacklisted nouveau? |
| 03:00.39 | stew | skilz: you can if it has a proper shebang |
| 03:00.47 | stew | skilz: (and if it is chmod +x) |
| 03:01.21 | skilz | what does those errors mean? |
| 03:01.58 | stew | skilz: that you want to install something like python-qt4 which would provide a python "qt" package |
| 03:02.46 | stew | (and probably that someone is being lazy and using import * when they don't need to :) ) |
| 03:02.58 | MrFrood | Wooga: 1: you don't 2...no idea, sorry |
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| 03:03.49 | MrFrood | %tell Wooga about kms |
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| 03:06.10 | parolang | Not to complain, but the Debian Installation Manual is 146 pages. |
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| 03:06.35 | MrFrood | parolang: and..? |
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| 03:07.31 | mns | parolang: I've hardly had to read the manual in the 10+ years I've been using Debian. Get the Debian Installer, run it, answer some questions, and you're done with things. |
| 03:07.48 | parolang | It refers to an installation howto. |
| 03:08.32 | skilz | File "./ingumagui.py", line 6, in <module> from qt import * |
| 03:08.32 | skilz | ImportError: No module named qt |
| 03:08.44 | skilz | ? |
| 03:08.45 | parolang | mns: Yeah. I don't want it to install over my existing system though. I have a USB hard drive and I wanted to try installing on that. But I've never installed Debian before (except on a netbook, but there was a system-specific config for that). |
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| 03:09.46 | stew | skilz: you need to ask a better question than "?" |
| 03:10.23 | skilz | whats all those errors about I installed python-qt4 |
| 03:10.30 | mns | parolang: so during the install you should get a list of drives to install to, and select your USB drive for it. |
| 03:10.44 | stew | skilz: its trying to find a module or package named "qt" and none exists |
| 03:10.53 | stew | skilz: yeah, it looks like python-qt4 was a bad guess by me |
| 03:11.16 | stew | skilz: "apt-file search qt/__init__.py" doesn't show much promise either |
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| 03:11.44 | parolang | mns: Do I need to install on a separate USB drive too? |
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| 03:12.40 | MrFrood | %tell parolang about usb install |
| 03:13.52 | parolang | Doesn't really answer my question. Maybe I should just try it and find out. |
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| 03:16.05 | zykotick9 | parolang, i'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use the same USB to both install from and onto at the same time - if you install from cdrom you only need one USB |
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| 03:16.26 | zykotick9 | parolang, s/you can/you can't/ |
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| 03:17.41 | somiaj | why not? does the install partition have to take up the whole usb drive, just put it on another partition |
| 03:17.51 | parolang | zykotick9: Yeah, that's what I'm asking. I don't have a CDROM, so I take it I need a separate USB thumb drive. |
| 03:18.22 | zykotick9 | parolang, without cdrom, yes you'd need 2 USBs then |
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| 03:18.53 | stew | parolang: no, you don't need separate usbs, there is hard disk based install media you can run from one partition and install to another |
| 03:19.08 | parolang | Man I'm not going to print out a 146 page manual just to install Debian :D |
| 03:19.15 | craigevil | why would you need 2 usbs? ugh read the howto in the Install Guide |
| 03:19.23 | parolang | stew: Yes, that's what I was hoping for. |
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| 03:20.55 | parolang | craigevil: Ah, found it. Appendix A. |
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| 03:23.10 | zykotick9 | parolang, does your main HD have linux on it? |
| 03:23.32 | parolang | Yep. I have Ubuntu on it right now. |
| 03:24.02 | zykotick9 | parolang, then stew and craigevil's suggestion should work - good luck |
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| 03:24.19 | parolang | Okay. Thanks for the tips. |
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| 03:25.48 | vz2icarly | i have an atheros wificard in my laptop, setup detected and configured it for a wireless network (2WIRE096) but i now need to switch networks (to the one at work) and when i click on the network applett it shows no nets and the one i need is broadcasting its ssid... PLEASE HELP!!! |
| 03:28.10 | somiaj | vz2icarly: do you have your network card set up in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 03:28.38 | vz2icarly | hold on let me check |
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| 03:29.06 | somiaj | if so comment it out, I belive I read somewhere network-manager will ignore interfaces explicity setup there. |
| 03:29.49 | stew | /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian should say exactly when it would ignore an interface |
| 03:29.59 | stew | (which is different for different versions of debian) |
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| 03:32.15 | vz2icarly | somiaj what in that file woult i be looking for to see if it is setup? |
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| 03:32.37 | choke1123 | ola |
| 03:32.49 | vz2icarly | hi |
| 03:33.19 | somiaj | vz2icarly: I gave you the exact file. |
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| 03:37.06 | hochron | why do I get this error when trying to install? E: python-pychart: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 03:45.30 | stew | hochron: you can try running "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-pychart.postinst configure" to see where it dies and why, perhaps |
| 03:47.14 | hochron | hmmm, I figured out that one... what is wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/5Ews8gFX |
| 03:47.27 | hochron | first hacking here |
| 03:48.02 | hochron | well maybe thats not entirely ture |
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| 03:49.08 | stew | hochron: what versin of python-support is installed? |
| 03:51.04 | hochron | hmmm, 1.0.10 |
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| 03:53.17 | stew | hochron: what does "python -V" return? |
| 03:53.28 | TiCPU|Home | I'm currently on wheezy and it seems networkmanager disables accept_ra for ipv6, how come :/ ? |
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| 03:54.19 | hochron | 3.1.3... I did change a symlink |
| 03:54.30 | hochron | was 2.5 |
| 03:54.35 | stew | hochron: ok, good luck |
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| 03:54.59 | skilz | ls |
| 03:55.50 | skilz | wtf is Could not pass bencoded data? |
| 03:56.04 | skilz | I keep getting that error when I try to download torrents with rtorrent |
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| 03:57.24 | echinos | anyone know of a good guide for setting up chrooted ssh users? |
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| 04:07.50 | parolang | Okay, I'm stuck. I did: sudo cat debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb1 and I get "Permission denied". I just mounted this drive, so I know I have the right device number. |
| 04:08.19 | somiaj | the user running that command dosen't have write access to the drive device |
| 04:08.35 | parolang | That's why I did sudo. |
| 04:08.40 | somiaj | only the cat gets run as sudo, the pipe gets run with the normal users permision |
| 04:08.48 | somiaj | well not pipe, but redirect |
| 04:08.58 | wols_ | parolang: it needs to be cat ... > /dev/sdb |
| 04:08.58 | parolang | yeesh, how do I sudo both? |
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| 04:09.21 | parolang | wols_: Same result. |
| 04:09.26 | wols_ | parolang: "sudo bash" |
| 04:09.33 | wols_ | and in there you do it normally: cat... |
| 04:09.50 | stew | parolang: "sudo cp debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb1" but do you really want /dev/sdb1? are you going to put a bootloader onto /dev/sdb? |
| 04:09.58 | stew | forget cat in this case |
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| 04:10.03 | wols_ | stew: since when "sdb1"? |
| 04:10.14 | parolang | wols_: Okay, I think it's working now :) |
| 04:10.28 | stew | wols_: i don't know why he is using sdb1 instead of sdb, hence my comment |
| 04:10.39 | wols_ | ah k |
| 04:10.52 | parolang | stew: Well, I did it without the (partition?) number. |
| 04:12.18 | parolang | Okay, reboot. Thanks |
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| 04:13.30 | VZ2iCarly | how to install java and flash in debain squeeze? any help would be much appreciated |
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| 04:15.28 | somiaj | VZ2iCarly: add the non-free option to your sources (/etc/apt/sources.list) and then insatll flashplugin-nonfree and sun-java6-jre |
| 04:15.32 | MrFrood | VZ2iCarly: flashplugin-nonfree (you will need contrib enabled) |
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| 04:15.51 | zykotick9 | somiaj, flash is in contrib as MrFrood pointed out |
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| 04:16.11 | MrFrood | as to java |
| 04:16.18 | MrFrood | %java |
| 04:16.19 | dselect | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:20.02 | sherl0ck | hey which iso can i use to install full disk crypt - i just tryed http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso - didnt have it? |
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| 04:35.48 | sherl0ck | or is this an option in debian during install? |
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| 04:41.08 | Arrowmaster | sherl0ck: i know its an option if you choose the expert install at the boot menu for that iso |
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| 04:49.20 | sherl0ck | ahhh |
| 04:49.22 | sherl0ck | good call |
| 04:49.29 | sherl0ck | under my eyes |
| 04:49.35 | sherl0ck | thx |
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| 05:07.07 | perberos | lick debian |
| 05:07.13 | veek | hid3, i'm trying to download the glibc binary for debian, could someone point me to the URL? (i'm on lenny but need the unstable binary for experimenting with something) |
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| 05:07.48 | Talon_ | veek, firefox 5? :) |
| 05:08.11 | veek | Talon_, ha! nope :) utorrent |
| 05:08.21 | veek | but good guess hehe |
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| 05:08.42 | Talon_ | ah, got the same issue, ffox uses a new lib so their pre-compiled binary fails on my squeeze box. |
| 05:08.49 | somiaj | veek: what? You don't want to install a unstalbe libc6 on a stable system |
| 05:09.07 | somiaj | veek: you can either a) make a backport yourself, or b) build yourself an unstable chroot to play in |
| 05:09.13 | veek | somiaj, hopefully i'll just extract it and not install |
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| 05:09.28 | somiaj | veek: packages.debian.org -- serach there |
| 05:09.29 | veek | somiaj, can't compile - it's a 399Mhz box |
| 05:09.37 | veek | ah thanks! |
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| 05:10.52 | veek | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libs/ (but glibc isn't listed?) |
| 05:11.12 | somiaj | experiemential is NOT a full distribution |
| 05:11.18 | Talon_ | whats a typical process count for a squeeze machine? I've been toying around trying to limit background processes and managed to get to 162 |
| 05:11.26 | veek | ah thanks |
| 05:11.26 | somiaj | so it only contains parts of packages that are expereminitial and they are usually based on sid |
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| 05:13.29 | veek | Talon_, i have about 60 on lenny |
| 05:13.41 | Talon_ | dang, no X? |
| 05:13.58 | veek | Talon_, with X but it's a slow b0x 400Mhz |
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| 05:14.34 | veek | darn! it's not here either: http://packages.debian.org/it/sid/libs/ |
| 05:14.55 | Talon_ | my count would be a lil smaller but I got double X stuff since my left and right monitors are seperate x sessions, so I got dbl X, dbl gnome panels, dbl compiz, dbl of some panel apps.. |
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| 05:15.38 | veek | oh boy! i use olvwm (openwindows) gnome would be very slow on my box |
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| 05:17.37 | somiaj | I'm running 102 processes here on sid -- though I use fvwm |
| 05:18.02 | Talon_ | somiaj: mind lookin at my list n seeing if theres anything obvious I might be able to take out? |
| 05:18.22 | somiaj | yea gnome -- you probabaly don't have that much for a full DE |
| 05:18.32 | somiaj | espically if you have two seperate xservers running |
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| 05:19.23 | Talon_ | well my left monitors mainly windows (vbox XP for apps i can't run in wine, windows builds of my projects, etc..) |
| 05:20.17 | somiaj | Talon_: yea you just have lots running, why are you wanting to cut things down? |
| 05:20.25 | Talon_ | i just meant could you point out anything if I gave you a pastebin of my ps axu |
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| 05:20.49 | somiaj | na I wouldn't be able to reconize which of all the gnome crap is vital or not...(: |
| 05:21.28 | Talon_ | I tried takin out bluetooth once since I have no devices but it broke my wireless n had to build a machine to share networking just to get it back lol. |
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| 05:23.34 | Talon_ | it runs good, im happy with it, just seemed a lil excessive on the list, but i do run a lot of daemons, ftpd, httpd, pop3, smtp, ircd... bout to install bind9 and start toying with nameservers locally to get a feel for that sorta stuff, cname records, mx records, etc.. |
| 05:24.13 | snhmib | "ps aux | wc -l" says: 115 |
| 05:24.34 | somiaj | I get it you run a lot of stuff, there probabaly isn't anything that you don't want just running around, but if you want to run less, 'update-rc.d <service> disable' |
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| 05:24.54 | snhmib | um, howdo i get the name of the debian version? |
| 05:24.57 | snhmib | forgot |
| 05:25.01 | somiaj | Talon_: that way even though you have all of these daemons installed, they won't be automically run at startup |
| 05:25.10 | Talon_ | uname -r or is it -a ? |
| 05:25.17 | superawesomeness | uname -a |
| 05:25.41 | somiaj | snhmib: best to look at the version of libc6 pacakge, but you could cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 05:25.44 | Talon_ | if its not modified, you could also cat /etc/issue |
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| 05:25.56 | wizzr | lol |
| 05:26.05 | wizzr | anybody around? |
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| 05:26.09 | snhmib | oi thanks :) |
| 05:26.10 | somiaj | Talon_: uname -a only gives kernel info, libc6 is a better way to identify the actual debian version since many could have backport or custom kernels |
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| 05:30.08 | subuser | cat /etc/debian_version gives the version too, uname -a just seems to show the time/wordsize-ness and kernel type with hostname |
| 05:30.10 | veek | cat /proc/version |
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| 05:32.05 | subuser | /proc/version's pretty descriptive too, cool |
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| 05:32.57 | subuser | i think that says the gcc version and kernel version's though, not the debian version itself |
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| 05:38.10 | doomfinger | Which is generally more stable testing or unstable? This may be a silly question. |
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| 05:38.43 | gh0st3r | anyone here good with GRE linux-linux? |
| 05:40.03 | somiaj | doomfinger: define stable -- testing isn't as prone to random grave bugs, but has a few other issues dealing with its setting up a staging release |
| 05:40.20 | somiaj | doomfinger: in most cases sid gets security patches faster than testing because the updates hvae to filter though sid before droping into testing |
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| 05:41.04 | jhutchins_lt | doomfinger: That is, indeed, a silly question. |
| 05:41.22 | doomfinger | somiaj: I mean stable as in less broken. |
| 05:41.22 | wols_ | somiaj: but when grave bugs happen, and they do, they stay around longer than in sid |
| 05:41.31 | somiaj | doomfinger: check the topic, I have ran sid as my desktop/latop for years. |
| 05:41.42 | somiaj | wols_: yup, I have delt with a few. :/ |
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| 05:42.30 | wols_ | s |
| 05:42.38 | somiaj | doomfinger: but goto #debian-next there are plenty who run desktops as testing/unstable but I wouldn't recomend it to someone who doesn't know linux/debian (i.e. can fix grave bugs) or for a server |
| 05:42.51 | somiaj | doomfinger: check the topic for the offical irc network for that chan |
| 05:43.11 | doomfinger | somiaj: k, thanks |
| 05:43.15 | lahwran | https://gist.github.com/8f174969328d1f79feb7 |
| 05:43.29 | lahwran | how do I set up the public keys for the main apt repos? |
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| 05:44.49 | lahwran | oh |
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| 05:48.19 | chicognu | I delete /var/lib/dpkg/status how can I fix it ? |
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| 05:49.01 | ghoti | My boss is telling me that it's PERFECTLY okay to use our gateway router as an outgoing SMTP relay, because our mail volume will never impact network performance. This makes my skin crawl, but I don't have any good descriptions of failure modes or evidence of documented best practices to argue with him. Do they exist? |
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| 05:52.32 | somiaj | well it puts one more running server to compermise, and a gateway isn't a good computer to get compermised. |
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| 05:53.43 | somiaj | but I haven't ran across any best pratices documentations. |
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| 05:56.06 | somiaj | ghoti: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
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| 06:03.34 | Gm4n | hi guys, what file do I put apt pinnings in for squeeze? I don't seem to have /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf, which all the guides say to use |
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| 06:04.38 | rozie | Gm4n: just create missing files |
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| 06:04.57 | Gm4n | don't put them in the apt.conf.d or preferences.d directories? |
| 06:05.06 | rozie | works for sure for preferences |
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| 06:05.22 | rozie | no just touch /etc/apt/preferences and edit it |
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| 06:08.20 | subuser | i want to run a little listing of commands at startup, so i put a symlink in /etc/rcS.d at position S04 to run the script in /etc/init.d , is that an ok choice? it's some iptables rules |
| 06:09.19 | streuner_ | take a look at the examples of ifupdown (interfaces) |
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| 06:10.34 | streuner_ | subuser: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 06:11.05 | subuser | ah! i should let neworking come up first |
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| 06:11.18 | jhutchins_lt | I'm getting an odd response at http://kclibrary.org - no response, but no time out. |
| 06:12.15 | streuner_ | subuser: yes, you can just add an entry like "pre-up /foo/whatever-file there |
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| 06:15.29 | streuner_ | jhutchins_lt: same here, 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 06:15.29 | streuner_ | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 153.250/153.250/153.250/0.000 ms |
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| 06:16.14 | jhutchins_lt | There are people earning a good living putting that up as acceptable work. |
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| 06:16.40 | jhutchins_lt | That seriously pisses me off just now. |
| 06:16.55 | jhutchins_lt | Thanks for the confirmation though. |
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| 06:21.21 | ghoti | somiaj: thanks, that link is generally helpful, though I don't see anything that tells me not to overload routers with application software.... |
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| 06:32.01 | yogg | Hi |
| 06:32.01 | yogg | I try to compile mISDN v2 on Debian6. But i get an error ("error: implicit declaration of function âflush_work_syncâ"). Has someone managed to build mISDN on Debian6? |
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| 06:35.05 | streuner_ | yogg: isnt the module already built into the default kernel? |
| 06:36.06 | Talon_ | I've got courier-pop3 and apache2 running, apache2 has the userdir mod enabled and conf'd properly, what would I edit to make it so when an account is created, they automatically get ~/Maildir/cur and ~/public_html without me needing to manually create them? |
| 06:36.33 | yogg | Oh man -.- |
| 06:36.33 | yogg | Thank you "modprobe -l | grep mISDN" everything is there |
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| 06:40.01 | Gm4n | how do I mark a package as installed/not in need of an upgrade? |
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| 06:49.09 | Talon_ | oh n/m, /etc/skel |
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| 06:51.53 | Big_Brother | where do i get rtl8168d-2.fw ? |
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| 06:53.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | Big_Brother: firwmare-realtek |
| 06:53.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder if judd says so |
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| 06:53.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: files rtl8168d-2.fw |
| 06:53.58 | Big_Brother | this http://pkgs.org/debian-sid/debian-nonfree-i386/firmware-realtek_0.28_all.deb.html ? |
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| 06:54.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | probably? i'm using apt-file to check |
| 06:55.10 | jelly-home | judd: file rtl8168d-2.fw |
| 06:55.13 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 06:55.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | packages.d.o should say too |
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| 07:16.12 | fireba11_ | Hi in my new debian 6.0.2 amd64 install i get init: Id "co" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes ... any idea how to fix? can i just comment out that inittab entry? |
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| 07:19.36 | niklaswe | guys will httpd.conf override ssl.conf ? |
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| 07:21.51 | matsuura | So basically, ubuntu is going way down hill.. I was never really a fan of it, but it's time to move on. I'm contemplating Debian or slackware |
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| 07:22.14 | matsuura | there's going to be some bias here, but way back when, I was a fan of debian sarge |
| 07:22.18 | matsuura | what's good these days? |
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| 07:27.15 | simonlnu | what's stable is squeeze currently |
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| 07:42.42 | duhamelski | hello, two computers on my network seem to be unable to communicate |
| 07:43.02 | duhamelski | and the communication is only severed between these two specific computers |
| 07:43.15 | duhamelski | does anyone know how to debug this? |
| 07:44.00 | ongolaBoy | you can use tcpdump or tshark or even wireshark |
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| 07:47.16 | sephii | I added an entry in my fstab for a usb drive which is always connected to my computer but it doesn't get mounted at boot, I'm forced to use mount -a to get it mounted. Any idea why? |
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| 07:49.10 | kotique | hi. need chkconflig --list or rc-status -s equiwalent in debian |
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| 07:50.57 | Iridos | sephii, look for errors in dmesg |
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| 07:51.19 | Iridos | I would guess it's trying to mount before the needed kernel modules are present and the drive is visible at all |
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| 07:52.49 | Iridos | kotique, I don't know what they do. but if you meant "chkconfig" instead of chkconflig, that is in debian |
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| 07:53.45 | Iridos | so is rcconf |
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| 07:57.47 | kotique | chkconfing has colors |
| 07:57.57 | kotique | okay, i wonder why they aren't included by default |
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| 07:59.09 | Iridos | perhaps for people who don't have eye bleach |
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| 08:12.54 | mark76 | It's Debian day! |
| 08:13.38 | mark76 | http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110712 |
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| 08:29.31 | yogg | Hi |
| 08:29.31 | yogg | Has anyone managed to get lcr (linux call router) 1.7 to work on debian 6? I have compiled it without problems, but "genrc" hangs after selecting the driver |
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| 08:31.58 | Iridos | yogg, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510476 |
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| 08:33.35 | yogg | Iridos: thank you |
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| 08:36.58 | sylarr | anyone have an idea why the cpu is on IOWait, but very little disk activity is seen? |
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| 08:37.17 | negaduck | hi! is there something similar to growl? With cli? |
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| 08:42.22 | Iridos | sylarr, network? |
| 08:42.27 | Iridos | sylarr, or use iotop |
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| 08:42.47 | sylarr | Iridos, disk |
| 08:43.11 | Iridos | sylarr, I mean... could be network instead of disk, then you don't see activity |
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| 08:45.17 | Iridos | negaduck, snarl ... but seriously why do you suppose we know what "growl" is supposed to be |
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| 08:47.14 | hyper_ch | hi there, I have a strange problem: I can ping pear.php.net - shows the right IP address, I get a reply to the ping. However when I run lynx pear.php.net then lynx tells me, it cannot connect to the site |
| 08:48.26 | Iridos | I thought that's been superseded by links now anyway |
| 08:48.31 | sylarr | Iridos, I want to try running iotop, but it is not install, and the system is in the middle of reinstallation using synaptic |
| 08:49.07 | sylarr | Iridos, so i can't install it |
| 08:49.16 | sylarr | Iridos, any other tool? |
| 08:49.22 | hyper_ch | Iridos: well, problem is that I can ping the domain. But neither curl nor lynks can resolve it |
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| 08:50.15 | Iridos | hyper_ch, perhaps something blocking tcp (or port 80)? |
| 08:50.57 | hyper_ch | Iridos: hmmm.... I wonder what.... thx for the hint, I'll investigate |
| 08:51.25 | hyper_ch | Iridos: but if that machine has port 80 blocked, menas I wouldn't be able to surf on its apaache serve |
| 08:53.02 | hyper_ch | Iridos: no iptables rules |
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| 08:57.23 | sylarr | Iridos, I think it may be kjournald as it is a process with a D state |
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| 09:02.19 | folivora | Gday. Is it safe to upgrade grub-legacy to grub2 if I am running lenny on my server ? |
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| 09:03.11 | folivora | I have got serious problems, when trying to install new kernel. grub-probe wont find my /dev/sys1 disk. System boots fine, works fine, except that I can't install new kernel |
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| 09:05.49 | hyper_ch | Iridos: hmmm, restarting the network stopped the whole networking... |
| 09:06.25 | folivora | hyper_ch: does ifconfig tell you what ? |
| 09:06.38 | hyper_ch | folivora: I restarted the server |
| 09:07.13 | folivora | hyper_ch: and now you network isn't working ? |
| 09:07.14 | babilen | hyper_ch: Yes, "networking restart" will not necessarily bring up all the interfaces that were up before. |
| 09:07.43 | gnarface | it will not necessarily shut down all of them either |
| 09:08.03 | folivora | ifdown && ifup is sometimes more powerful |
| 09:08.07 | hyper_ch | folivora: http://pastebin.com/bjZvHvbn |
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| 09:08.23 | babilen | gnarface: indeed -- tricky thing that! :) |
| 09:08.32 | hyper_ch | gnarface: it does not? how do you restart network then? I've used this up to now |
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| 09:08.49 | babilen | hyper_ch: More importantly: What are you trying to achieve now? |
| 09:09.14 | hyper_ch | babilen: I cannot resolve any hostname with port 80.... ping works but curl/wget/lynx fail |
| 09:09.17 | gnarface | hyper_ch: well, it helps a lot to have a clean interfaces file and not a lot of junk in the way |
| 09:09.20 | babilen | folivora: Yes, you can install grub2 |
| 09:09.42 | hyper_ch | gnarface: I posted my pastebin link above |
| 09:09.45 | folivora | hyper_ch: does dig / nslookup work? How about your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:10.10 | hyper_ch | folivora: resolving works, otherwise I couldn't ping.... dig also works, have to try nslookup |
| 09:10.30 | folivora | babilen: ok. Just curious, I don't want to manually install grub -.- |
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| 09:11.10 | gnarface | hyper_ch: looks alright. although fwiw on my laptop i for some reason changed "allow-hotplug eth0" back to "auto eth0" because it pissed me off one day. can't remember why though |
| 09:12.06 | gnarface | hyper_ch: pastebin your resolv.conf |
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| 09:13.24 | sam12345 | hello everybody. Where can I find xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd? 'cause apt-get say don't exist |
| 09:13.37 | gnarface | sam12345: drop the hd |
| 09:14.15 | hyper_ch | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/29iFLS9D |
| 09:14.58 | Iridos | dpkg, tell sam12345 about apt-file |
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| 09:15.11 | Iridos | \o/ dpkg! |
| 09:15.23 | folivora | babilen: err, grub2 is failing to install also |
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| 09:15.31 | gnarface | hyper_ch: what is 192.168.1.1? (besides being your gateway) |
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| 09:15.39 | hyper_ch | gnarface: router |
| 09:15.45 | lng | hi! how do I control the dependencies with aptitude? |
| 09:16.06 | gnarface | hyper_ch: some plastic box from the electronics store? or a real computer? does it run a nameserver itself, or is it just caching queries to some other nameservers? |
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| 09:16.17 | folivora | babilen: it complains that it can't find /dev/sys1. I have hd0 /dev/sys1 <- in my device.map. also ls /dev/sys* shows /dev/sys1. Any idea which is causing this problem |
| 09:16.21 | hyper_ch | gnarface: dsl modem/router |
| 09:16.32 | hyper_ch | gnarface: querying DNS by my ISP |
| 09:16.35 | utrrrongeeb | lng: what type of dependencies? |
| 09:16.46 | gnarface | hyper_ch: can you get the ip addresses of those DNS servers its currently using? |
| 09:16.50 | hyper_ch | also, that server has bind9 installed |
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| 09:17.30 | hyper_ch | gnarface: why? it can look them up just fine - otherwise I wouldn't be able to ping - would I? |
| 09:18.11 | gnarface | hyper_ch: i wanted to test a theory that you're caching some good ip dns records and some bad ones due to one of multiple upstream nameservers being bad |
| 09:18.34 | hyper_ch | gnarface: I can ping google but I can't wget/curl it |
| 09:18.39 | gnarface | oh |
| 09:18.50 | gnarface | traceroute -T ? |
| 09:19.17 | hyper_ch | gnarface: my problem seems to be with port 80 |
| 09:19.28 | folivora | hyper_ch: depub wget/curl, and check that which dns those are using |
| 09:19.30 | hyper_ch | as soon as port 80 is being used, it's being blocked but I can't figure out why |
| 09:19.36 | folivora | hyper_ch: tcpdump maybe |
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| 09:19.45 | hyper_ch | folivora: depub? |
| 09:19.53 | folivora | debug ;) |
| 09:19.55 | folivora | sry |
| 09:20.10 | themill | hyper_ch: would an http proxy be required on your network? |
| 09:20.16 | lng | utrrrongeeb: I need to install Cacti, but it requires Apache |
| 09:20.27 | lng | utrrrongeeb: but we have Lighttpd |
| 09:20.43 | gnarface | hyper_ch: traceroute -T -p 80 google.com |
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| 09:21.11 | hyper_ch | themill: not necessarily... I do run bind9 on it and set other computers in the network to use the server as DNS provider |
| 09:21.15 | hyper_ch | for internal domain resolution |
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| 09:21.24 | hyper_ch | all clients can query everything fine |
| 09:21.28 | hyper_ch | it's just the server with issues |
| 09:21.46 | gnarface | iptables -L? |
| 09:22.10 | hyper_ch | gnarface: Cannot handle "host" cmdline arg `google.com' on position 1 (argc 4) |
| 09:22.14 | hyper_ch | gnarface: no iptables rules |
| 09:22.16 | utrrrongeeb | lng: cacti is fine with lighttpd |
| 09:22.29 | utrrrongeeb | lng: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/cacti |
| 09:22.32 | gnarface | hyper_ch: you have to run this as root: traceroute -T -p 80 google.com |
| 09:22.44 | lng | utrrrongeeb: thanks, let's see |
| 09:22.48 | hyper_ch | gnarface: I'm logged in as root |
| 09:22.57 | babilen | folivora: sorry, have to run -- I'll be back later though |
| 09:22.58 | gnarface | then i think you have a problem |
| 09:22.59 | utrrrongeeb | lng: Scroll down, you see how the dependencies go "apache2....or...or httpd..provided by lighttpd"? |
| 09:23.16 | hyper_ch | gnarface: since the upgrade from lenny to squeeze I have problems |
| 09:23.20 | utrrrongeeb | lng: I think you can just install cacti and watch for trouble, as long as lighttpd is from the repos |
| 09:23.24 | hyper_ch | I'll probably do a reinstall |
| 09:23.39 | gnarface | hyper_ch: did you upgrade or dist-upgrade? maybe you just still have some really old stuff lying around on there |
| 09:23.46 | hyper_ch | but I still find it strange that ping, dig, nslookup etc. all work... but when trying to use port 80 it fails |
| 09:23.58 | hyper_ch | gnarface: dist-upgrade |
| 09:24.08 | lng | utrrrongeeb: well... when I am trying to install Cacti, Apache is in the list of packages to be installed |
| 09:24.52 | utrrrongeeb | lng: Your lighttpd is from the Debian repository? |
| 09:24.58 | lng | utrrrongeeb: how to turn it to Lighty? |
| 09:25.04 | lng | utrrrongeeb: yes |
| 09:25.11 | Iridos | lng, what is your problem exactly? |
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| 09:25.39 | Iridos | lng, I mean what is the command you run and how does it fail |
| 09:25.47 | hyper_ch | gnarface: Iridos: folivora: thx for the help |
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| 09:26.17 | lng | Iridos: `sudo apt-get install cacti` promts me to install apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common... |
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| 09:31.05 | Iridos | lng, it shouldn't if you already have lighttp installed, as that also "provides httpd" |
| 09:31.38 | sylarr | is it possible to configure kjournald |
| 09:31.39 | sylarr | ? |
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| 09:32.53 | Iridos | lng, and I suggest you use aptitude |
| 09:32.55 | utrrrongeeb | [is it ok if I mention a Wheezy ext4 irritation here, or should I got to #debian-next?] |
| 09:34.36 | gnarface | most the people who would know are probably in both channels |
| 09:34.48 | gnarface | probably more people in here would not know though |
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| 09:35.40 | lng | Iridos: I tried |
| 09:35.51 | utrrrongeeb | gnarface: I meant etiquette-wise |
| 09:36.14 | lng | Iridos: how can I control the dependencies with aptitude? |
| 09:36.53 | gnarface | etiquette-wise, they set up the other channel because they got tired of me coming in here whining about sid |
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| 09:38.40 | chriswaterguy | I was told to install the sound-recorder package... but I can't find one. Is it called something different in Debian? |
| 09:38.48 | chriswaterguy | (trying to troubleshoot Skype) |
| 09:39.16 | gnarface | sound-recorder? never heard of it |
| 09:39.24 | utrrrongeeb | lng: Can you fiddle around with the aptitude user interface, selecting cacti, then deselecting apache, and see if it complains? Also check the lighttpd is indeed installed from the debian repository, and watch for any "dependency problem" banners at the bottom of the screen -- those might help. |
| 09:39.27 | gnarface | skype? never heard of it |
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| 09:41.05 | utrrrongeeb | chriswaterguy: You use GNOME? Package is gnome-media |
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| 09:43.48 | utrrrongeeb | chriswaterguy: If you're already running GNOME, check that it's not under Applications>Accessories as Sound Recorder. Is this to diagnose whether your microphone works? |
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| 09:45.37 | chriswaterguy | utrrrongeeb: Not running GNOME, running Openbox. do you know the package name? |
| 09:45.51 | chriswaterguy | utrrrongeeb: Yes - mic issue. |
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| 09:46.15 | utrrrongeeb | I recently filled up an EXT4 partition in Wheezy [somewhat modified]. Once full, any file write would produce an error, and its previous contents destroyed. This wipe-on-write stupidity lost a bit of data before I deleted the unnecessary data bulk. Is there any way to get a smarter behavior or filesystem? |
| 09:46.29 | utrrrongeeb | chriswaterguy: gnome-media is the package name, but if you're just testing a mic there are others which would work |
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| 09:47.15 | chriswaterguy | utrrrongeeb: ok... been having trouble finding one, but installing audacity now. |
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| 09:47.39 | gnarface | chriswaterguy: if you're using alsa, aplay and arecord work |
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| 09:47.58 | gnarface | keblam |
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| 09:48.22 | utrrrongeeb | gnarface: Oh. yeah. duh. :-) |
| 09:48.25 | yakamo | anyone know a good wireless spectrum anyliser |
| 09:48.34 | utrrrongeeb | chriswaterguy: If you find yourself needing to edit audio later, Audacity is a good choice |
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| 09:48.53 | Utopiah | I modified sources.list to include unstable and apt.conf to have stable as default, apt-get -s install git/unstable worked, is it now "safe" to remove No-act? |
| 09:48.55 | utrrrongeeb | (netsplit, perhaps?) |
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| 09:49.08 | Iridos | utrrrongeeb, don't think so... I'd say "quotas", but it's the same behavior when you reach the quota... anyway I'm not sure what a "saner" behavior would be. Good editors move the original file and write a new one or somesuch (vim makes a .swp and complains immediately on opening a file) |
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| 09:49.42 | utrrrongeeb | Iridos: perhaps good behavior would be to not empty the file before the write error? |
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| 09:50.00 | utrrrongeeb | Iridos: but yes, I was using Abiword and Mousepad. Not 'good editors.' |
| 09:50.02 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb: are you running without swap or something? |
| 09:50.09 | chriswaterguy | utrrrongeeb: ah cool. any of those have a GUI for recording? |
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| 09:50.23 | chriswaterguy | (GUI's not essential, just much easier) |
| 09:50.33 | utrrrongeeb | chriswaterguy: Audacity, Jokosher, the one in gnome-media.... |
| 09:50.42 | Utopiah | (apt-cache policy seems have all source to the same 500 value though, not sure if that's correct) |
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| 09:50.47 | utrrrongeeb | gnarface: How's that affect full disk problems? |
| 09:51.02 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb: you didn't answer my question |
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| 09:51.54 | utrrrongeeb | gnarface: ;-) |
| 09:51.59 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb: or maybe you did imply the answer i suspected. the answer to your question to me in your case is "i don't actually know" |
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| 09:52.05 | utrrrongeeb | gnarface: This is a test system. It's running IN the swap partition. |
| 09:52.14 | Iridos | utrrrongeeb, I'm not sure that's the fault of the filesystem... opening a file for writing empties it... and only the subsequent write would fail? hm, guess one could make the open-for-writing fail? |
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| 09:53.14 | jujugre | Hi, I have an error on my ext4 fs " ext4_lookup: deleted inode referenced 4208817", I would like to delete this reference, and then restore my file from brackup. However I don't knwo how to do it. I know a fsck will correct that, but I would like to avoid it because my host is in production. Is someone know how to do it? |
| 09:53.34 | chriswaterguy | utrrrongeeb: Excellent - thanks for the suggestions. |
| 09:53.38 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb: i was under the (possibly incorrect impression) that i've been saved from the behavior you're describing in the past because i DO have swap, which allows for some temporary overspill, which would avoid the type of problems you're describing, at least within a certain threshold, but i could be wrong about that, maybe i've simply been saved from such bad behavior because i use emacs and reiserfs instead of some bleedin |
| 09:53.39 | gnarface | g-edge filesystem and some windows text editor |
| 09:53.44 | Seraphin | Hello, I need to set my system in read only mode. I did it in fstab (and in my xen image). The only partition which is writeable is the /data partition. I need some file to be modified, so I linked files from /etc/ to my /data. The problem is when I boot my system, there's some problems on mtab and hostname.sh doesn't read my file on /data/. If I launch /etc/init.d/hostname.sh after my login, it's okay, the hostname is modified. Ho |
| 09:53.45 | Seraphin | w can I set the hostname before the start of Apache ? |
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| 09:53.59 | utrrrongeeb | Iridos: ...but that would preempt writing a smaller file. I know, probably nothing I can do about it, but it just seems...irresponsible. Perhaps the FS could re-write the file to the disk from RAM when the [enlarging] write failed? |
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| 09:54.04 | utrrrongeeb | chriswaterguy: Good, no problem |
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| 09:54.40 | jaw^ | how do I: add a bridge without an interface in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:54.46 | jaw^ | (for OpenVZ for instance) |
| 09:55.02 | jaw^ | can I create some network script? |
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| 09:56.08 | rajkosto | how do i mount a lvm hdd |
| 09:56.12 | rajkosto | from a rescue cd |
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| 09:56.42 | gnarface | jaw^: ifconfig ? |
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| 09:57.03 | utrrrongeeb | gnarface: If EXT4 bled too much it wouldn't be Debian default... True, mousepad and abiword aren't the brightest, but.... Anyway, I'll do the real install eventually; the only significant data lost was the Nexuiz settings |
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| 09:58.09 | utrrrongeeb | Anyone to help rajkosto, jujugre, & seraphin? I'm leaving, and those are outside my experience anyway.... |
| 09:58.30 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb: you should grab a spare piece of metal and do a stock install with swap and see if it does the same thing still. it might be the host system or the way you're running this guest that is the actual source of the issue |
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| 09:58.57 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb: and if its not, i think it warrants a bug being filed |
| 10:00.00 | utrrrongeeb | gnarface: A bug in Debian, or upstream? Maybe I'll try that at some point... would a swap file on the same partition be enough? |
| 10:00.14 | jujugre | utrrrongeeb: thanks by the way |
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| 10:00.49 | utrrrongeeb | jujugre: I haven't helped |
| 10:00.55 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb: um. debian first. i think they'll forward it to upstream themselves. and yea, i think a swap file would actually be good enough |
| 10:01.03 | utrrrongeeb | But yes, people tend to get left behind... |
| 10:01.14 | utrrrongeeb | gnarface: Okay, I'll try that at some point then... |
| 10:01.50 | utrrrongeeb | gnarface: If the behavior is repeated, is there any solution to suggest [eg rewriting the original data]? (and the swapfile will help re-fill the partition) |
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| 10:04.05 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb: emacs, that's my solution to suggest. the ~ auto-backups save my ass so much i don't even question it anymore |
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| 10:05.02 | colo-work | hi therew |
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| 10:05.38 | colo-work | my Squeeze setup doesn't boot any more, because it apparently does not start LVM correctly in the initrd |
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| 10:05.58 | colo-work | if I manually run pvscan, vgscan, lvscan and activate my VG afterwards, then exit the rescue shell, booting continues without problem |
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| 10:06.08 | colo-work | what is going awry there, and why? |
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| 10:10.08 | chriswaterguy | hi folks... I seem to be having trouble with my audio input (e.g. for Skype). Any tips on where to start? I'm a bit confused by how pavumeter and alsa each fit in. |
| 10:11.24 | gnarface | chriswaterguy: guess why you're confused? cause they DON'T |
| 10:11.46 | gnarface | chriswaterguy: start by picking either pulse audio or alsa. they don't play nice together |
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| 10:12.07 | gnarface | chriswaterguy: (additionally i think you can also chose oss or esound) |
| 10:12.17 | gnarface | s/chose/choose |
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| 10:15.35 | rajkosto | why cant i reboot ? |
| 10:15.42 | rajkosto | it hangs on all processes ended within 1 second |
| 10:15.46 | rajkosto | well, doesnt hang |
| 10:15.49 | rajkosto | i can press buttons |
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| 10:17.06 | chriswaterguy | gnarface: ok, that's what I was wondering. So which one is better for Skype, and how do I make sure the other doesn't interfere? (make sure it's not running somehow?) |
| 10:17.18 | grmpy | can you login on another terminal by pressing ALT + F1 ... ALT + F8? |
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| 10:18.31 | Seraphin | Hello, I need to set my system in read only mode. I did it in fstab (and in my xen image). The only partition which is writeable is the /data partition. I need some file to be modified, so I linked files from /etc/ to my /data. The problem is when I boot my system, there's some problems on mtab and hostname.sh doesn't read my file on /data/. If I launch /etc/init.d/hostname.sh after my login, it's okay, the hostname is modified. I |
| 10:18.31 | Seraphin | tried to move the hostname.sh symlink in /etc/rcS.d to a higher number to start after the mountall.sh but no results ... |
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| 10:19.55 | gnarface | chriswaterguy: we don't support skype here and personally i wouldn't touch the garbage so i can't tell you. making sure the other doesn't interfere is as simple as uninstalling it |
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| 10:20.18 | chriswaterguy | gnarface: ok, thanks. |
| 10:20.38 | gnarface | chriswaterguy: by the way the mixer for alsa is called "alsamixer" |
| 10:20.53 | chriswaterguy | gnarface: yep, found that. |
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| 10:21.58 | chriswaterguy | I'm using dmenu, so it's easy to find things if I know part of the command |
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| 10:22.57 | Iridos | gnarface, no... that's not a bug... as I said, that's the normal behavior with quotas, too... and as just discussed, it's hard to find a better behavior |
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| 10:23.05 | chriswaterguy | for general audio (e.g. playing music) is there any difference in quality/reliability between alsa, pulse and others? |
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| 10:24.10 | Iridos | gnarface, (the full-filesystem thing).. . |
| 10:24.19 | gnarface | chriswaterguy: i've heard people in the #winehq channel say alsa sucks and pulse is awesome. i've heard people here say alsa sucks and pulse is worse. i'd tend to agree more with the people here, but unless your soundcard does hardware mixing, both can be a pain in the ass to get working for full-duplex audio (recording and playback simultaneously) |
| 10:25.09 | zykotick9 | chriswaterguy, just in case - PulseAudio does NOT replace ALSA, it uses ALSA actually (it's a replacement for ESD) |
| 10:25.10 | Iridos | well... pulse is awesome... what sucks is that it doesn't work (with a lot of programs that don't account for it) |
| 10:25.20 | thinksteve | pulseaudio does not like pass-through. |
| 10:25.21 | gnarface | Iridos: i guess i've just been lucky but i do try not to make a habit of filling my partitions |
| 10:25.46 | Iridos | gnarface, that's generally a very good idea :) |
| 10:25.52 | chriswaterguy | zykotick9: ah, ok |
| 10:26.07 | gnarface | i've heard it said that pulseaudio does resampling much better than alsa. i can't verify this myself |
| 10:26.25 | Iridos | gnarface, seems to be something I haven't been able to accomplish, though... |
| 10:27.14 | chriswaterguy | ok, but for playback, e.g. if I want to play high bitrate music with good speakers, I don't need to worry too much about whether I'm using pulseaudio or alsa?, |
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| 10:27.39 | gnarface | no |
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| 10:28.22 | gnarface | chriswaterguy: the differences will appear under heavy load. a stereo music stream does not constitute "high load" |
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| 10:28.50 | thinksteve | chriswaterguy: You need to worry when you want to play 24Bit/96Khz or different digital streams over s/pdif. |
| 10:29.26 | Iridos | disk space just seems to scream "fill me" |
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| 10:33.04 | thinksteve | Iridos: Stuff it with some backups and it'll get full immediately. ;) |
| 10:33.35 | Iridos | thinksteve, virtual machines are also always a good filler |
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| 10:35.40 | ma3x | hi, this is pretty strange im trying to write a .iso to usb stick however it writes to something else. i plug out the usb stick and it still writes to something |
| 10:35.52 | ma3x | what could it be i dont have any other usb devices attached to my computer |
| 10:36.10 | gnarface | oh boy |
| 10:36.20 | thinksteve | You might want to unmount it, before you rip it out. |
| 10:36.48 | shauno | I'd be more worried about figuring out what device you've just blasted data across :/ |
| 10:36.50 | gnarface | its too late he just burned an iso to his root drive |
| 10:36.54 | gnarface | lol |
| 10:37.03 | gnarface | we'll never hear from him again |
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| 10:37.34 | thinksteve | Now he can boot ubuntu live from his harddisk, great. |
| 10:38.13 | ma3x | my hard drive is /dev/sda |
| 10:38.20 | ma3x | i tried writing to /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc |
| 10:38.22 | Iridos | was |
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| 10:38.26 | gnarface | oh |
| 10:38.35 | ma3x | it writes about 50 mb and 1.3 gb to the second and then quits |
| 10:38.37 | gnarface | ma3x: lucky you i figured you must have written it to /dev/sda |
| 10:38.40 | ma3x | to what does it write i dont know |
| 10:38.51 | Iridos | why didn't you check _first_? |
| 10:39.04 | Iridos | look with dmesg which new drive gets registered when you plug in the usb |
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| 10:39.16 | colo-work | my Squeeze setup doesn't boot any more, because it apparently does not start LVM correctly in the initrd |
| 10:39.17 | ma3x | i checked, i have 2 usb sticks, it registers them as /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc |
| 10:39.19 | Iridos | you don't just go writing to random disk devices in the hope to hit the correct one |
| 10:39.20 | colo-work | if I manually run pvscan, vgscan, lvscan and activate my VG afterwards, then exit the rescue shell, booting continues without problem |
| 10:39.21 | colo-work | what is going awry there, and why? |
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| 10:39.32 | ma3x | however when i plug them in, it writes to something else |
| 10:39.41 | ma3x | and when i unplug them it still writes to something else |
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| 10:39.58 | Iridos | nah, not possible |
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| 10:40.07 | gnarface | i once saw a mouse that had onboard flash storage |
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| 10:41.38 | grmpy | with >1,3 gb? ;) |
| 10:41.50 | Iridos | gnarface, nice... you can store secret documents on it... and possibly very tiny porn |
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| 10:42.04 | Iridos | stamp-sized, perhaps |
| 10:42.23 | gnarface | grmpy: uh. no, i don't think it was anywhere near 1GB |
| 10:43.09 | Iridos | gnarface, hehe... actually several 32GB SD-micro cards would fit into a mouse... I think you might have just discovered a new fad |
| 10:43.39 | ma3x | now i get this dd: writing to `/dev/sdc': No space left on device 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.000216556 s, 0.0 kB/s |
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| 10:43.53 | ma3x | and for the other device dd: writing to `/dev/sdb': No space left on device 12288 bytes (12 kB) copied, 0.000265828 s, 46.2 MB/s |
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| 10:44.14 | ma3x | since i have nothing pluged in to my computer how can it even say no space left on device |
| 10:44.14 | Iridos | well, you pulled the stick off... |
| 10:44.18 | ma3x | it should say no such device or something |
| 10:44.25 | ma3x | yes i pulled it but it wasnt mounted |
| 10:44.29 | Iridos | but it was during a write when you pulled it |
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| 10:44.45 | ma3x | so what should i do now? |
| 10:45.10 | gnarface | well for starters, probably throw away the USB key because you just killed it. hotplugging flash DURING WRITE is the quickest way to brick it |
| 10:45.15 | Iridos | dunno... stop thinking it's not writing to the stick when it's writing to the stick |
| 10:45.22 | gnarface | second... what you're describing shouldn't even be possible with udev. are you even on debian? |
| 10:45.49 | Iridos | gnarface, huh... what should happen to it if you unplug it during write that wouldn't be reversible with another write |
| 10:45.56 | ma3x | im on debian yes |
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| 10:46.22 | zzzz | hi |
| 10:46.43 | xelister | is it ubuntu debian? :-} |
| 10:47.00 | ma3x | no its squeeze debian |
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| 10:48.02 | Iridos | ma3x, I think it was just writing to the buffer for a while, then gave you an error... why that took so long I don't know... check dmesg for errors on reading the disk you copied from, perhaps |
| 10:48.11 | ma3x | ok |
| 10:48.13 | zzzz | i closed my terminal window that was running wget command. now i can see in the processes that my wget command is running. my question is how can i see how much of my file is downloaded ? |
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| 10:48.30 | ma3x | normally how do you write iso to stick, to /dev/sdx1 or /dev/sdx only |
| 10:48.52 | Iridos | zzzz, du -h mydownloadfile |
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| 10:50.40 | zzzz | iridos: thank you. i thought that is a way to bring back somehow the wget process to see the progress of my download |
| 10:51.08 | ma3x | this is crazy |
| 10:51.15 | ma3x | now i get 1338245120 bytes (1.3 GB) copied, 26.192 s, 51.1 MB/s |
| 10:51.22 | ma3x | and the usb stick is 8 gb |
| 10:51.26 | ma3x | dd: writing to `/dev/sdb1': No space left on device |
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| 10:51.44 | Iridos | zzzz, no. there are options to write the information to another file or you could start it within screen. or you could not close the window. but generally you can't "bring it back" |
| 10:51.45 | gnarface | ma3x: uh... is your usb key partitioned? |
| 10:51.54 | ma3x | no |
| 10:51.59 | ma3x | i write directly to /dev/sdb |
| 10:52.24 | zzzz | iridos: ok, i get it. |
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| 10:53.35 | whomee | Hi, is there a way to 'not' use sudo before an command as regular user? i set in sudoers file that i dont need password for that command now atleast, but i dont want to use sudo before it |
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| 10:54.46 | ma3x | gnarface, is it necessary to partition it first? can't i just dd if=iso of=/dev/sdb? |
| 10:54.47 | epsilon | an alias in bashrc? |
| 10:55.16 | whomee | epsilon: that was smart, ill test |
| 10:55.23 | epsilon | like alias command = sudo command |
| 10:55.31 | abrotman | ma3x: it doens't matter if you write to the correct device |
| 10:55.50 | Iridos | whomee, just use "su" |
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| 10:58.21 | gnarface | ma3x: no it is not necessary to partition flash media first |
| 10:59.54 | skilz | anyone got experience with solid-state drives? |
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| 11:00.20 | pAt_ | interessting concept of lmde: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1781 |
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| 11:02.20 | ma3x | im writing iso, updates for dell servers. i noticed this: if i dd=iso of=/dev/sdb the usb stick doesn't get recognized. however if i first create /dev/sdb1 and then dd of=/dev/sdb1 , the stick gets recognized |
| 11:02.24 | abrotman | skilz: lots of people .. ask your real questoin |
| 11:02.31 | ma3x | this is probably dell's wonderful iso image |
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| 11:03.00 | themill | skilz: haven't we been through this procedure enough times now? |
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| 11:03.41 | sylarr | I am trying to make a laptop write less to disk |
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| 11:04.27 | whomee | Iridos: well i cant use either sudo or su before, its a script that makes the command: ssh server1 fping server2 |
| 11:04.35 | whomee | so it doesnt use su/sudo |
| 11:04.38 | milosn | hmm which package i need to install to get gcc and other development tools? |
| 11:04.44 | sylarr | I have set all kind of options in laptop mode, with intention that it will commit a write only once every 60s, but I see that it commits more |
| 11:04.47 | sylarr | any clue? |
| 11:04.51 | milosn | is there like a package meta group or something? :) |
| 11:05.02 | Iridos | whomee, why would you need to be root to call ssh |
| 11:05.14 | zykotick9 | milosn, build-essential |
| 11:05.14 | whomee | Iridos: not the ssh part, the fping part |
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| 11:05.26 | milosn | zykotick9: cool thanks |
| 11:05.28 | arvind_khadri | Hi, how can I set the default encoding on a system? I have a debian server. When a file is being written I want that it must be UTF-8 encoded. |
| 11:05.28 | k-man | which architecture is intel Xeon? is it amd64? |
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| 11:07.58 | Iridos | whomee, I don't see why fping would need to be run as root either. or what stops you from doing "ssh host sudo fping host2" either |
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| 11:09.15 | zykotick9 | k-man, "various Xeons" http://www.debian.org/ports/ so doesn't sound like all of them |
| 11:10.10 | Iridos | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 23252 Jan 23 2010 /usr/bin/fping |
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| 11:10.28 | whomee | Iridos: its smokeping that will be doing the ssh host fping host2 not me manually |
| 11:11.04 | whomee | yin:/usr/local/sbin# ls -la fping |
| 11:11.05 | whomee | -r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 23716 Mar 9 2007 fping |
| 11:11.12 | Iridos | doesn't matter, I don't see why anything needs root |
| 11:11.28 | Iridos | well, that's not a normal squeeze debian system then |
| 11:12.18 | themill | you'll notice that ping and fping are suid root in the debian packages |
| 11:12.55 | Iridos | I (kind of) said that! |
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| 11:14.42 | themill | whomee: I guess part of the question is "why are you not using fping from the debian fping package?" |
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| 11:15.44 | abrotman | k-man: depends on the model .. some are i386, some amd64 |
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| 11:18.04 | colo-work | my Squeeze setup doesn't boot any more, because it apparently does not start LVM correctly in the initrd |
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| 11:18.10 | colo-work | if I manually run pvscan, vgscan, lvscan and activate my VG afterwards, then exit the rescue shell, booting continues without problems |
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| 11:18.14 | colo-work | what is going awry there, and why? |
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| 11:20.28 | gnarface | colo-work: i do NOT know. apparently nobody else does either. maybe you need to run update-initramfs? really just a guess |
| 11:20.42 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:20.49 | abrotman | or you could wait 10 minutes |
| 11:21.17 | colo-work | gnarface, the initramfs is up to date |
| 11:21.29 | gnarface | abrotman: he has reposted that question several times, i assumed it stumped everyone |
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| 11:22.09 | tnt_ | Any idea why /run/shm can't have noexec ? |
| 11:22.10 | karthick87 | Can anyone help me with apt-cacher-ng setup? |
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| 11:22.24 | tnt_ | I'd like to remove all user-writable 'exec' locations. |
| 11:23.27 | Iridos | well, fair enough to ask again every hour or so... I just personally think lvm mostly for creating problems by solving problems that one possibly can avoid anyway |
| 11:23.43 | abrotman | colo-work: did you attempt to ask #lvm ? |
| 11:23.49 | abrotman | karthick87: FWIW, i had better luck with approx |
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| 11:24.00 | zykotick9 | karthick87, what are you having issues with? It's basically install on the server, then update the sources.list on the clients. |
| 11:24.28 | colo-work | abrotman, since LVM is working perfectly fine once I execute the steps I expect the initrd scripts to perform, I think #debian is the right place to ask |
| 11:24.37 | ironm | Hello. Does anyone of you use zsync? |
| 11:24.52 | abrotman | colo-work: i meant they might have some insight into what to look at in the init scripts |
| 11:25.02 | karthick87 | zykotick9: I have installed apt-cacher-ng in my machine. How to import CD cache ? |
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| 11:25.26 | abrotman | karthick87: you'd copy the .deb files to the package cache most likely |
| 11:25.56 | s7r | whoami |
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| 11:26.07 | zykotick9 | karthick87, that i have no idea sorry. There is some info about updating/indexing on the web front end you might want to check. Best of luck. |
| 11:26.13 | fd_df | whoami |
| 11:26.19 | fd_df | who am i |
| 11:26.42 | karthick87 | abrotman: to which location? |
| 11:26.54 | abrotman | fd_df: do you need help? |
| 11:27.11 | abrotman | karthick87: look in the conf file .. as i said, i used approx, worked far better for me |
| 11:27.58 | karthick87 | abrotman: you are running apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng? What is the diff bet these two ? |
| 11:28.14 | tnt_ | Where is /dev mounted during boot sequence ? |
| 11:28.15 | k-man | abrotman, thanks |
| 11:28.17 | abrotman | karthick87: *approx* |
| 11:28.23 | fd_df | abrotman:no ,i just have a try,thank you |
| 11:28.24 | zykotick9 | karthick87, is this CD cache similar in layout to the actual respositories, broken up by letters? or something you copied from /var/cache/apt/archives? I'm not sure the latter would work. |
| 11:28.25 | riot | hmhm. i've set up a working sixxs(aiccu) tunnel, now i'm trying to setup radvd, but when a client connects via eth1, radvd just logs "sendmsg: Invalid argument" and nothing else - client doesn't get a v6-address :( |
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| 11:28.46 | abrotman | judd: info approx --release squeeze |
| 11:28.47 | judd | Package approx (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: caching proxy server for Debian archive files. Version: 4.5-1+squeeze1; Size: 1055.8k; Installed: 2740k; Homepage: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-ocaml-maint/packages/approx.git |
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| 11:30.47 | zykotick9 | karthick87, the location is /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng BTW |
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| 11:33.55 | solars | hey, where are the default groups for new users specified again? |
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| 11:34.12 | k-man | how do I get the the options to allow me to manage the install over ssh? |
| 11:34.19 | k-man | is that an "expert" install? |
| 11:34.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:34.55 | abrotman | solars: probably /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 11:35.57 | jiawei | hey guys , how do i configure my mic ? it does not record my voice\ |
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| 11:43.00 | wm4 | update-initramfs still updates only one of my installed kernels, how to fix it? |
| 11:43.14 | auska | hi! I'm thinking to use clonezilla to install debian faster. It will only install it or i can configure debian before it and it will be cloned with all the software and configuration? |
| 11:43.16 | wm4 | that is, if apt-get/dpkg cause update-initramfs to be run |
| 11:43.18 | karthick87 | zykotick9: the CD cache similar in layout to the actual respositories, broken up by letters. So will it work? |
| 11:44.01 | solars | abrotman, hm, just a question - do you know if that affects useradd also or only adduser? I'm a bit confused |
| 11:44.18 | zykotick9 | karthick87, it "should", one of your clients needs to sync with the actual repo involved however (this is mentioned on the web frontend) - sorry i've never added from CD before. |
| 11:44.33 | abrotman | solars: dunno, but it's recommended that you use adduser anyway .. unless you know better, and with useradd, you can specify groups on the CL IIRC |
| 11:45.00 | abrotman | solars: see -G |
| 11:45.05 | abrotman | if you're using useradd .. |
| 11:45.26 | solars | let me rephrase, whats useradd vs adduser, useradd is the basic thing, right? |
| 11:45.39 | ArdRigh | solars: yes |
| 11:46.07 | abrotman | solars: useradd is more .. manual |
| 11:46.12 | jiawei | hey guys , how do i configure my mic ? it does not record my voice\ |
| 11:46.12 | solars | alright |
| 11:46.16 | solars | so adduser wraps creating dirs etc |
| 11:46.40 | abrotman | yes-ish .. |
| 11:46.44 | zykotick9 | jiawei, start by verifying it's not muted with alsamixer |
| 11:46.57 | karthick87 | zykotick9: front end? |
| 11:47.05 | jiawei | zykotick9: its not |
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| 11:47.31 | zykotick9 | karthick87, point your browser to HOSTNAME:3142/ |
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| 11:47.37 | ArdRigh | solars: actually, to be fair saying 'useradd' is the 'basic thing' isn't 100% accurate. Just on Debian there are less defaults provided if you don't make them explicit. Versus say how RHEL does it, where useradd will create home directories for you |
| 11:47.38 | gnarface | jiawei: now go to the recording tab and verify you've selected a capture channel and a capture source (and that the source is mic) and that their volumes are both up |
| 11:47.52 | solars | ArdRigh, right yeah, thats what I meant |
| 11:47.53 | gnarface | jiawei: you might also want mic gain |
| 11:48.32 | ArdRigh | solars: I actually find adduser to be annoying, I don't want to provide phone numbers etc to create an account with some standard options :) |
| 11:48.37 | jiawei | gnarface: recording tab? |
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| 11:48.55 | solars | ArdRigh, I agree with that :) |
| 11:49.18 | ArdRigh | solars: if they had the RHEL 'useradd' on Debian and the Debian 'adduser' on RHEL, life would be simple :) |
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| 11:49.30 | gnarface | jiawei: little known fact: alsamixer only shows playback controls by default. your mic playback controls are not related to the recording controls. hit the tab key once after starting alsamixer to see the recording controls, hit it again to see recording and playback on the same panel, and hit it a third time to come back to the playback controls only |
| 11:49.59 | jiawei | yup , im at capture |
| 11:50.07 | jiawei | all of it execpt S/PDIF are full |
| 11:50.12 | jiawei | my input source is Mic |
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| 11:50.22 | karthick87 | zykotick9: Can you pls give me the command to transfer the CD cache ? |
| 11:50.36 | gnarface | you should see in red text something like "L capture R" under the mic source and a corresponding capture channel |
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| 11:50.45 | ArdRigh | anyone have a good source/howto on setting up virtual users for postfix/dovecot ? :) |
| 11:50.57 | zykotick9 | karthick87, no i can't - i've mentioned several times I've never done what you are trying. Best of luck. |
| 11:50.58 | jiawei | gnarface: err , i dont see that |
| 11:51.01 | solars | ArdRigh, heh yeah |
| 11:51.01 | gnarface | jiawei: or scratch that, maybe just under the capture channel. |
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| 11:51.26 | gnarface | jiawei: if you don't, then pick a capture channel that corresponds to the mic source (they should be numbered in order) and hit the "space" key |
| 11:51.52 | jiawei | issit channel 6 or 2? |
| 11:51.54 | jiawei | o.o |
| 11:52.17 | gnarface | jiawei: 6 or 2?! i have these: â Front Mic Boost < Mic Boost > S/PDIF Capture Capture 1 Capture 2 Digital Input Source Input Source 1 Input Source 2 â |
| 11:52.50 | jiawei | gnarface: hmm , thats not what i have |
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| 11:53.10 | jiawei | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.11 | jiawei | â ââââ ââââ ââââ â |
| 11:53.23 | jiawei | â ââââ ââââ ââââ â |
| 11:53.25 | babilen | themill, abrotman ^^^ |
| 11:53.25 | jiawei | â ââââ ââââ ââââ â |
| 11:53.28 | jiawei | â ââââ ââââ ââââ â |
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| 11:53.30 | jiawei | â ââââ ââââ ââââ â |
| 11:53.34 | jiawei | â ââââ ââââ ââââ Mic Mic â |
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| 11:53.55 | themill | jiawei: seriously... use a pastebin for anything more than a couple of lines |
| 11:53.59 | gnarface | jiawei: capture 1 goes with input source 1, get it? these controls are auto-generated by alsamixer based on the characteristics of your actual sound hardware, so your specifics may be different. also, use pastebin |
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| 11:54.25 | nevyn | wow. |
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| 11:55.05 | k-man | how long should it take to format a 3TB raid array with ext4? |
| 11:55.14 | gnarface | forEVER |
| 11:55.29 | k-man | gnarface, really? |
| 11:55.32 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 11:55.34 | k-man | *sigh* |
| 11:55.34 | gnarface | some filesystems go vroom vroom though :) |
| 11:55.42 | jiawei | http://pastebin.com/0rX5bBgK |
| 11:55.42 | k-man | gnarface, like? |
| 11:55.45 | gnarface | k-man: (no, not really) |
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| 11:56.05 | abrotman | k-man: depends on the rest of the system specs |
| 11:56.05 | epsilon | I gues creating the actual RAID would take way longer than formatting |
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| 11:57.12 | gnarface | k-man: seriously though, ext* are not known for speed of formatting. they kinda drag |
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| 11:57.17 | k-man | its an HP server with a raid controller. creating the array was quick and painless, but now the creating ext4 part of the install seems hung |
| 11:57.26 | gnarface | just be patient |
| 11:57.27 | abrotman | k-man: i'd guess at least an hour |
| 11:57.30 | jiawei | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/0rX5bBgK this is what i see in alsa mixer |
| 11:57.35 | k-man | tries to remember patience is a virtue |
| 11:57.43 | abrotman | !piav |
| 11:57.47 | k-man | abrotman, hah! ok |
| 11:57.47 | abrotman | bah .. no dpkg |
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| 11:58.02 | k-man | what happened to dpkg? |
| 11:58.08 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: Hi, remember me? I've created the swapfile, but it isn't being used. Would it help for it to be used, or should I go ahead and fill up the partition? |
| 11:58.35 | gnarface | k-man: i recall reiserfs and xfs format really fast, but xfs has a kinda scarred history on the data retention front and reiserfs is known for slow MOUNTING - which is probably more detrimental to your raid array than slow formatting |
| 11:59.02 | k-man | gnarface, ok - I'll just have to wait |
| 11:59.07 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: yep. you ran swapon for the swapfile and you just mean nothing is using it yet? |
| 11:59.11 | k-man | this bloody server sounds like a jet engine |
| 11:59.30 | abrotman | gnarface: they say they fixed that about three years ago :) |
| 11:59.34 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | Yes, I've done this before to test hibernating [which didn't work] so I'm not too surprised. |
| 11:59.38 | abrotman | gnarface: the xfs stuff |
| 11:59.52 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: Mainly I'm wondering if you think it'd affect the full-disk test. |
| 12:00.19 | gnarface | abrotman: the xfs thing? yea i have never had a bad experience with it. its super great for large raid arrays with large files, but i find myself compelled to parrot countradictory advice i've heard in here from people who i suspect are smarter than me and have a longer list of experiences |
| 12:00.38 | abrotman | gnarface: still fixed supposedly .. a long long time ago |
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| 12:01.18 | gnarface | abrotman: yea. by all accounts today xfs is great, except for that one really bad kernel bug recently but i think it was in unstable, right? |
| 12:01.31 | abrotman | it was in the kernel :) |
| 12:01.39 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: so I should go ahead with the full-disk test? |
| 12:01.56 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: i'd advise a backup first, but yes :) |
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| 12:02.08 | dselect | Hi again! Looks like dpkg couldn't face a full day back at work so here I am again. My db is still read-only and my address character is still %. |
| 12:02.13 | abrotman | dselect: wb |
| 12:02.13 | dselect | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 12:02.18 | abrotman | dselect: we really missed you |
| 12:02.18 | dselect | abrotman: i don't know |
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| 12:02.44 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: fyi you can use "free -mt" to verify the swap is recognized and active (if unused) |
| 12:02.58 | dselect | hugs abrotman |
| 12:03.03 | dselect | awww shucks. You're so sweet. Will you marry me? |
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| 12:03.08 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 12:03.24 | gnarface | hah |
| 12:03.24 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: test system, and I (think) I backed up my changes log... either way, last time I managed to rescue everything except my Nexuiz settings. So here goes. [Yes, I've been using swapon -s] |
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| 12:03.49 | jiawei | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/0rX5bBgK this is what i see in alsa mixer |
| 12:04.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:04.20 | gnarface | jiawei: sorry got distracted. seems pretty obvious you have all your input sources set to "mic" so just hit space under any of the capture sources |
| 12:04.38 | jiawei | gnarface: but is that source the right source? |
| 12:05.04 | gnarface | jiawei: which? capture or capture 1? both your input sources are set to "mic" so it ... shouldn't matter one bit which you use |
| 12:05.16 | jiawei | gnarface: OH now i get L R CAPTURe |
| 12:05.23 | gnarface | hooraaay! |
| 12:05.29 | gnarface | alsa should pay me to document their shit |
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| 12:05.36 | jiawei | gnarface: as in , is mic the correct one ? or maybe it could be line or front mic |
| 12:05.42 | abrotman | gnarface: or you could just do it ? :) |
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| 12:05.49 | k-man | is there some way to watch the progress of a mkfs.ext4? |
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| 12:06.16 | jiawei | gnarface: i will try to record myself now |
| 12:06.19 | gnarface | abrotman: honestly after a few dozen more of these poor s.o.b's (alsa victims, i like to call them) i really might |
| 12:06.20 | abrotman | k-man: doesn't it show you the progress? mkfs.ext3 does |
| 12:06.31 | abrotman | gnarface: or do it in the Debian wiki perhaps |
| 12:06.48 | k-man | abrotman, I'm in the installer, over ssh |
| 12:06.51 | gnarface | abrotman: a good suggestion |
| 12:06.55 | jiawei | gnarface: aww man , still doesn;t work |
| 12:07.00 | k-man | the installer just shows a generic Partitions Formatting |
| 12:07.10 | abrotman | k-man: oh! .. uhm .. if you can't get to the debug terminal .. no clue |
| 12:07.24 | ragnar76 | i did a upgrade a few minutes ago and after a few packages i get this 2 errors : >>> ldconfig: /usr/lib32/libgnome-keyring.so.0 is not a symbolic link <<< and >>> sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory <<< what could be wrong? |
| 12:07.26 | abrotman | you could try a chvt perhaps .. not sure how that would work over ssh |
| 12:07.38 | gnarface | jiawei: there are still other issues that could be it. you're right to be curious about whether "mic" or "front mic" is the right one, but to know the answer i'd need to read your motherboard manual and examine a high-res photo of the inside of your computer case |
| 12:07.57 | jiawei | gnarface: i will try both , could it be line too? |
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| 12:08.10 | gnarface | jiawei: it would only be line if you've plugged your mic into the wrong port |
| 12:08.11 | k-man | I suppose I could walk into the room where the server is but then I would have to get off my bum, and also subject myself to industrial server noise |
| 12:08.50 | gnarface | jiawei: (or if your driver failed to autodetect the right port configuration for the subrevision of your audio hardware ... sometimes you have to pass an extra option to your soundcard's module) |
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| 12:09.21 | jiawei | gnarface: if it helps , im only using headphones , no speakers , and when i use front mic , its alot louder |
| 12:09.28 | jiawei | gnarface: and has sound of "air" |
| 12:09.52 | gnarface | you mean the recording is a lot louder? |
| 12:10.00 | jiawei | gnarface: yes |
| 12:10.04 | abrotman | static |
| 12:10.12 | abrotman | turn the level down perhaps |
| 12:10.44 | gnarface | jiawei: yea you still have a port mismatch. this is the point where we need to find out which soundcard module you're loading and dig up the kernel doc on it |
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| 12:11.24 | k-man | no, it does not show progress even on the debug terminal |
| 12:11.37 | jiawei | gnarface: if its gentoo it would be easier to configure the kernel .. |
| 12:11.38 | gnarface | jiawei: you want the right plug AND the right internal port configuration at the driver level or all you're likely to record is the sound of your power supply's ambient RF echoing over the wires |
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| 12:12.08 | gnarface | jiawei: you wont' need to do any kernel configuration. these options can be passed to the module on the fly. we just need to figure out which MODULE it is first |
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| 12:12.17 | abrotman | k-man: silly, but okay .. you'll have to wait it out .. depending on the speed of the machine, could take hours |
| 12:12.55 | jiawei | gnarface: can i find out with lspci -k? |
| 12:13.17 | gnarface | jiawei: pastebin the output of lspci and lsmod. i forget what -k is for |
| 12:13.17 | k-man | hmm... I could almost say that is a bug in the installer as you get no indication that its actually working |
| 12:13.29 | jiawei | lspci |
| 12:13.33 | jiawei | oops |
| 12:14.17 | gnarface | k-man: one caveat. you DO know these drives are using DMA right? cause in pio mode, it could take ... YEARS to format |
| 12:14.46 | abrotman | k-man: are the drive lights blinking? |
| 12:14.56 | gnarface | k-man: whatever you do don't freaking stop it based on what i just said though |
| 12:15.22 | k-man | gnarface, it is a raid controller - I can't imagine it is not using DMA |
| 12:15.34 | jiawei | gnarface: lspci : http://pastebin.com/BVtdC2s2 |
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| 12:15.43 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: Huh, can't reproduce the bug with the swap on... I turned it off, and still can't. Maybe the disk got filled some special way the first time.... |
| 12:15.59 | gnarface | k-man: just ... had a flashback from an intel i5 something or another onboard "raid" card that ended up being the raid card equivalent of a winmodem |
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| 12:16.34 | k-man | abrotman, good call! yes lots of light flashing activity :) |
| 12:16.42 | jiawei | gnarface: lsmod: http://pastebin.com/VhveCrYJ |
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| 12:17.09 | k-man | gnarface, no, I mean it is a real server with a real raid controler in it. it is an HP AiO 1200 9TB server |
| 12:17.13 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: well i imagine if you overwrite to the extent that you also fill up the SWAP, you'll see the same issue again... but i'm glad at least that you can't disprove my theory about the usefulness of swap, at least in part. the "wtf is happening now instead?" factor is still disturbing though.... |
| 12:17.43 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: Oops, just found out something...let me try it with the swap. >:-) |
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| 12:18.08 | abrotman | k-man: oh wait .. is this a SCSI system? hwraid 5 ? |
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| 12:19.20 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: the way i remember this years ago was that as i deleted unnecessary stuff, the overspill from the swap would continue writing in to the disk. so i had to delete enough stuff to compensate for the free space i'd already used (ie, i deleted 300MB and it still was at 100% usage until i deleted 350MB, then it had50MB free. follow me here) |
| 12:20.10 | k-man | abrotman, SATA raid |
| 12:20.12 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: Makes some sense.... so the swap was caching the junk, until you deleted the junk, but the swap was on the disk... |
| 12:20.15 | k-man | RAID6 |
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| 12:20.31 | abrotman | k-man: go get a pot of coffee .. |
| 12:20.49 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: However, I may have to prove you wrong... I tried again, and now can reproduce the bug. |
| 12:20.59 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: without AND WITH swap. |
| 12:21.00 | k-man | abrotman, really? is it that bad? |
| 12:21.09 | gnarface | jiawei: yep. snd_hda_intel i've got that one too. its common on new motherboards, but there's about a billion revisions of that in all different port configurations from desktops to netbooks and even though the docs say it should be pretty good at auto-detection, i haven't seen it auto-detect correctly even ONCE |
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| 12:22.01 | jiawei | gnarface: hmm , what do i have to do ? |
| 12:22.05 | k-man | I really need to put a network cable between the garage and the house so I can set up servers in the garage |
| 12:22.06 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: well actually believe it or not i like being proven wrong. its the only way i ever learn anything and outside of this channel (again, believe it or not - abrotman probably would not) it is actually a very rare occurance |
| 12:22.14 | k-man | from the comfort of my lounge |
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| 12:22.55 | abrotman | gnarface: whowha? |
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| 12:23.05 | gnarface | jiawei: hang on i'll get you a link. basically you're gonna want to append model= and possibly a couple other options to your snd_hda_intel module |
| 12:23.49 | jelly | k-man: how much battery-backed cache does the raid controller have? |
| 12:23.52 | gnarface | abrotman: i was trying to make it clear i'm also a noob, in a self-effacing way. not trying to start a fight. i love you |
| 12:23.52 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: I can provide steps to reproduce, but I don't think fenrisulfr-pup [that's this Debian] has the credibility to file the bug.. it isn't a meek, mild-mannered Wheezy. (Sid or Experimental kernel, mesa/r600g from git, etc.) |
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| 12:24.03 | Iridos | hm, when I chroot into the root partition from a live-cd, mount /dev /sys and /proc and run update-grub && update-grub2 without errors, that should work |
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| 12:24.37 | abrotman | gnarface: kissiekissie! |
| 12:24.38 | Iridos | oh... ok... just looked up what "error 17" means... |
| 12:24.51 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: is that a debian pure something or another? |
| 12:25.04 | k-man | jelly, not sure |
| 12:25.17 | Iridos | abrotman, no cyber sex in #d please... go to /query like everyone else! |
| 12:25.32 | k-man | jelly, but definately some as when it booted it gave me a message as how the cache was disabled until the batteries had charged |
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| 12:26.31 | jelly | k-man: well, random-write performance (which is basically what mkfs.ext* is) is going to suffer quite a lot, then |
| 12:27.02 | gnarface | jiawei: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Hda check this out |
| 12:27.07 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: It's a Debian tainted mess. ;-) I just grabbed a kernel .deb from Sid or Experimental a few weeks ago, and I've been getting Mesa/r600g from git, and various tar.gz's Debian doesn't ship with. As it affects this bug -- only the 3.0rcSomethingOrOther kernel matters, but it might matter a lot. |
| 12:27.29 | jiawei | gnarface: ok thanks :D |
| 12:27.38 | jelly | k-man: I don't know whether your e2fsprogs and your kernel support the lazy_itable_init option (man mkfs.ext4) |
| 12:28.15 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: you should see if a stock squeeze does it too, if you have the time and are so motivated. i think i might have suggested that already |
| 12:29.35 | jiawei | gnarface: i've got 3 in the back and 3 in the front ( slots ) but they only have 3 back 2 front |
| 12:29.44 | jiawei | gnarface: if i understood correctly.. |
| 12:30.04 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: Maybe before I do the final (non-test) install... it'd be 32-bit [I'm running x86_64 here]. Does Squeeze use ext4? |
| 12:30.24 | gnarface | jiawei: is it a laptop or a desktop? if its a desktop its common for there to be ports on the motherboard (that alsa represents) which aren't in fact physically connected to the case (unless you bought the computer from me, because i build my shit right) |
| 12:30.58 | k-man | jelly, no idea, it's just whatever the installer uses for making the partitions |
| 12:31.14 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: i'm almost certain squeeze does have ext4 in the installer, just not as the default |
| 12:32.02 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: Ok. Will ext4 fit on a floppy? There's an older PC with a 3.5" drive, and near-default Squeeze [nvidia driver, so no excuse to muddle with the kernel.] |
| 12:32.07 | k-man | cine |
| 12:32.24 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: ..and filling 1.4MiB is easy. :-) |
| 12:32.30 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: damn man i dunno. any chance you can get it to boot with a usb key? |
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| 12:33.23 | jiawei | gnarface: so i gotta try all of them ? |
| 12:33.29 | jiawei | gnarface: with the jacks i mean |
| 12:33.32 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: or if you just mean that you're gonna copy the ext4 tools and such over by floppy... i guess in a worst case scenario you can use tar to split it into multiple volumes. damn though... floppies? |
| 12:33.32 | jelly | k-man: the installer will use safer defaults. mkfs your filesystems manually if you need more control |
| 12:33.46 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: I was thinking of using the existing Squeeze install, since it isn't modified much. I could dig up...a 16MiB MMC card, though. Everything else is used for something. |
| 12:33.59 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: certainly there must be a better option than floppies. |
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| 12:34.19 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: crossover cable and netcat :) |
| 12:34.25 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: I meant formatting a floppy to ext4 for the test. Maybe the MMC card is a better idea? |
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| 12:34.40 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | (rather than wreck some more useful FS) |
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| 12:35.09 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: oh i see. no i have no idea. i hadn't even thought of whether it would or not. |
| 12:35.15 | jiawei | after i type modprobe snd_hda_intel model=3jack , im done right? |
| 12:35.26 | jiawei | 3stack* |
| 12:35.41 | gnarface | jiawei: you probably have to unload the module first. then when you pick the right one you will want to throw it into your /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf file |
| 12:35.53 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | Give me 15m, and I can use a non-standard 32-bit Squeeze LiveCD to stuff-to-bursting either the MMC card, or this test hard drive partition I just filled up. Would that be good enough? |
| 12:35.55 | k-man | jelly, thanks |
| 12:36.06 | jelly | k-man: or wait! |
| 12:36.08 | gnarface | jiawei: options snd_hda_intel index=0 model=6stack-dig enable_msi=1 position_fix=1 |
| 12:36.22 | gnarface | jiawei: that's the line from MY options.conf ... took me 2 weeks :( |
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| 12:36.36 | k-man | jelly,yes, I am choosing the wait option :) |
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| 12:38.35 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: uh... i think removable media has entirely different behavior due to delayed writing or write-back caching or whatever they call it |
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| 12:39.26 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: if you're suggesting trying to create the problem you are having on your harddrive on a MMC card as a test case... i don't know for sure but i think actually that will NOT be something you can draw equivalent behavior from |
| 12:39.27 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: mount .. -o sync , perhaps? I'll have to mount it by command-line anyway.... |
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| 12:39.48 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: uh... yea maybe actually. sync might force the same behavior. |
| 12:39.57 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: From the LiveCD I could probably access the FS I'm using now, and ued for the previous tests. Is that worth it? |
| 12:40.28 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: if you got the time sure, cause the livecd will be a clean debian instance |
| 12:40.30 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: [Of course, the LiveCD won't have a swapfile, will it? My systems tend not to....] |
| 12:40.56 | gnarface | good question. i know knoppix seeks and uses any on-disk swap automatically |
| 12:41.12 | gnarface | i would imagine the debian livecd does as well but embarrasingly i do not know |
| 12:41.15 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: As I said above.. ;-) It's a LiveCD made to *my* specs with the Debian Live tools. |
| 12:41.20 | gnarface | oh |
| 12:41.40 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | HOWever, if the kernel is different, it's the same version, just a different arch. |
| 12:42.04 | gnarface | man i'm just saying if you can recreate it with squeeze you can at least blame it on something other than your frankenstein creation |
| 12:42.15 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | [same as for Squeeze] I was trying to get the installer-desktop-icon supported, but just made it worse. I can install from it. |
| 12:42.16 | gnarface | if its not debian, its not debian |
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| 12:42.47 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | It's Debian with a.. (486, I think?) kernel of the same [Debian] version, and just a slightly different choice of default packages. |
| 12:43.00 | gnarface | jiawei: btw there may be a more updated list of those model options in the kernel docs for your kernel, but i couldn't find the file earlier when i was looking |
| 12:43.20 | gnarface | jiawei: sadly for the most updated list for your kernel you may actually have to look at the source code |
| 12:43.20 | themill | utrrrongeeb_fenr: there's a dedicate debian-live channel that might be able to help with this (and there's been work since the squeeze release to fix some of the installer problems) |
| 12:43.46 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: [long story short: Debian Live produces 1-GiB DVD ISOs. I just made a 700-MiB Xfce ISO, with the same Debian Live stuff.] |
| 12:44.00 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | themill: The LiveCD isn't the problem at this point. ;-) |
| 12:44.07 | jiawei | gnarface: THANKS gnarface ! it works! |
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| 12:44.21 | gnarface | jiawei: hooraaay! |
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| 12:44.50 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: the machine doesn't boot from usb does it? |
| 12:44.53 | zamba | i'm trying to install a package but the postinstall script fails.. what can i do to debug it? |
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| 12:45.18 | zamba | basically just review the postinstall script and possibly modify if |
| 12:45.19 | zamba | it* |
| 12:45.43 | Iridos | zamba, yes |
| 12:45.45 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: It does, I'm just lazy.. Why clear out a perfectly good USB drive, and re-download the ISO, when I can just use an unoptimized-Debian-kernel'd [rather than 686] Squeeze LiveCD? |
| 12:45.49 | gnarface | jiawei: yea if you're curious you might want to try some other options, and look up a newer list of those options for your kernel, but its likely that several different choices will MOSTLY work for any given card, because there ARE a lot of similarities between them |
| 12:45.50 | zamba | Iridos: yes what? |
| 12:46.00 | Iridos | dselect, postinstall |
| 12:46.00 | dselect | During package installation, dpkg runs a script called the "preinst", unpacks the contents of the .deb and then runs the "postinst". When removing, it runs the "prerm", deletes the files and then runs the "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. |
| 12:46.14 | zamba | Iridos: what are you talking about? |
| 12:46.23 | zamba | åh |
| 12:46.33 | Iridos | zamba, basicall just fix the postinstall script, there is no option to override it or so, as that wouldn't make much sense |
| 12:47.04 | dwep | so, what do you guys think of gnome3? |
| 12:47.14 | gnarface | dwep: what do you think of asses for hats? |
| 12:47.29 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | dwep: Trolling? ;-) |
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| 12:48.09 | dwep | hmpf, what an attitude :) |
| 12:48.14 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | dwep: Seriously though, I haven't tried it. |
| 12:48.29 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | dwep: All I can do is reiterate the internet attitude... |
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| 12:48.32 | gnarface | dwep: yea actually i haven't even touched gnome since like the 90's |
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| 12:49.14 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | dwep: Which is: They may be on to something. It's half-baked. Power users will probably hate it. (I use Xfce.) |
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| 12:49.27 | dwep | gnarface: which is your wm of choice? |
| 12:49.32 | babilen | dwep: Try it and make up your own mind. If you want to discuss the merits and problems with it I would suggest a different channel such as #debian-offtopic or #gnome. |
| 12:49.32 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | Anybody know if Xfce 4.8 has been GNOME-wrecked or not? |
| 12:49.47 | gnarface | dwep: e16 since 1997. |
| 12:49.51 | gnarface | dwep: e16 for LIFE |
| 12:50.00 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | babilen: Voice of reason. :-) |
| 12:50.07 | Iridos | zamba, sometimes prerm just fails because it thinks the daemon should be running but it doesn't. In that case you can just start the daemon (or remove the line that checks if it runs from the script)... |
| 12:50.11 | babilen | utrrrongeeb_fenr: Sure :) |
| 12:50.22 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | babilen: What's the best way to try it on Debian, though? |
| 12:50.53 | dwep | babilen: actually, i was just curious to hear your subjective take, well well :) |
| 12:51.07 | gnarface | you should be able to install every single window manager on debian, and switch between them by editing your ~/.xinitrc (though there are other ways) |
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| 12:51.11 | babilen | utrrrongeeb_fenr: Wait until it makes it into wheezy and the release of wheezy. Other approaches require you to run a development release of Debian such as wheezy or sid. |
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| 12:51.39 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | babilen: I'm running wheezy, more or less. Will it complement or replace GNOME 2.x for now? |
| 12:51.43 | babilen | dwep: I like it, but I prefer a tiling window manager such as awesomewm or wmii. |
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| 12:52.56 | babilen | utrrrongeeb_fenr: It will replace it. Please check Raphaël Herzog's blog for further information and take a look at http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html too |
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| 12:53.21 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: ...back to the bug; do you think I should go ahead with the not-so-far-from-standard Squeeze x86, or not? And if so, use an MMC card with async, or this same hard drive? |
| 12:53.32 | babilen | utrrrongeeb_fenr: You might also be interested in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is a channel devoted to the discussion and support of wheezy/sid users. |
| 12:53.34 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | babilen: Thanks. I shudder to think of the consequences. |
| 12:53.42 | babilen | utrrrongeeb_fenr: heh |
| 12:53.46 | gnarface | dwep: i just can't escape the superiority of e16's virtual desktop/multi-display handling. my needs (a hatred of toolbars, window managers that try to be "desktop environments," bloat, and a strange craving for the gamma ray emissions from multiple CRT monitors) may differ from yours however |
| 12:54.35 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: only if you're curious. the only actually sane option is proper capacity planning; don't plan to fill your disks. plan NOT to fill your disks. |
| 12:55.16 | Big_Brother | any recommendations for a file server software? i need gigabit and the ability to access it from Filezilla. i'm using debian 6. |
| 12:55.27 | jargon- | Jul 13 13:54:52 firewall ntpd[15145]: sendto(172.20.7.255) (fd=19): Operation not permitted |
| 12:55.37 | jargon- | anybody know how to fix this? |
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| 12:55.52 | abrotman | Big_Brother: uh .. how do filezilla and fileserver go together? |
| 12:56.01 | gnarface | Big_Brother: chrooted scp (now a standard feature of openssh-server that doesn't require using chroot directly, just very simple modifications to the config file) |
| 12:56.05 | dwep | gnarface: i hear you, i've however been running gnome for several years, but gnome 3 ... meh, thinking of either making the switch now or waiting till wheezy's launch |
| 12:56.12 | Big_Brother | abrotman: no idea. just thought i'd toss that in there. |
| 12:56.28 | jargon- | i'm trying to broadcast to ntp client on my lan,and this error keeps showing up in the server logs: |
| 12:56.31 | babilen | dwep: I recommend the latter. |
| 12:56.31 | jargon- | Jul 13 13:54:52 firewall ntpd[15145]: sendto(172.20.7.255) (fd=19): Operation not permitted |
| 12:56.34 | Big_Brother | gnarface: ...what? |
| 12:56.44 | abrotman | Big_Brother: a fileserver would be something like nfs or samba/cifs .. filezilla works with scp/sftp/ftp/etc |
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| 12:56.59 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: If you think it's useful for finding a bug, I'll go ahead. Obviously I have another 950 GiB or so for the final install.... |
| 12:57.03 | gnarface | Big_Brother: scp. only ever scp. |
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| 12:57.17 | Big_Brother | i will try that. |
| 12:57.28 | abrotman | Big_Brother: are you the only person accessing the system? |
| 12:57.43 | dwep | babilen: why bother now, linux is, well, linux. you're in control and the choices are endless :3 |
| 12:58.00 | Big_Brother | abrotman: yeah. for now, anyways. |
| 12:58.28 | babilen | dwep: Indeed, but Debian is the solid rock in the waters. ;) |
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| 12:58.48 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | While I'm here.... What's the best way to use X over a LAN? XDMCP is fast... ;-) |
| 12:58.49 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: well personally *I* would like to know what happens, but that is pure greed and it won't benefit you in any way. from what i've heard from others in here what you're seeing is expected behavior... but most people with that much experience in *nix systems learned not to let their disks fill up a LOOONG time ago |
| 12:58.58 | babilen | dwep: Anyway, let me know when you need help with anything in particular. You have to make the choices yourself :) |
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| 12:59.53 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: If you don't mind results from my non-standard Debian installs, I'm willing to test the MMC. |
| 12:59.54 | dwep | babilen: gotcha :) |
| 13:00.15 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: (Or, if testing with swap is preferable, I could use the hard drive.) |
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| 13:00.19 | dwep | someone in this channel once said "but then, why use a drivative when you can ride on the mother ship?", spot on :) |
| 13:00.52 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: maybe i should make something clearer. i am not a debian maintainer, despite being a regular in here for the last year or so. my opinions on the results of your tests are irrelevant to anyone other than me |
| 13:01.17 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: ask abrotman |
| 13:01.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:02.08 | stew | both of you should become maintainers |
| 13:02.38 | gnarface | abrotman: ext4 partition, 100% full, trying to save changes to an existing file empties the old file then errors out on writing the new file. data now LOST. ext4 bug or expected behavior for a filesystem? |
| 13:02.39 | Sapote | hi people!! have a question, wich is the limit of ram if the kernel compile with CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y |
| 13:02.45 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: You probably know how to report a bug, though. Just a moment... |
| 13:02.59 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: yea that's easy i can point you int hat direction |
| 13:03.07 | gnarface | stew: its too early in the morning for flattery |
| 13:03.16 | abrotman | gnarface: i'd say that's a bug .. shouldn't result in emptying existing file to begin with .. certianly shouldn't lose both pieces of data |
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| 13:03.30 | rozie | gnarface: how do you "save changes"? |
| 13:03.53 | gnarface | rozie: *i* don't save changes. utrrrongeeb_fenr was using abiword or what? mousepad did you say? |
| 13:04.01 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: who was the guy who said it was NOT a bug in ext4? |
| 13:04.28 | rozie | asking, because it may be software problem |
| 13:04.47 | gnarface | abrotman: someone in here (i forget who) was saying it sounded like expected behavior. .... to me it sounded like expected behavior for ext2 maybe... but its really out of my range of actual expertise |
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| 13:05.13 | rozie | if someone implemented "save" as "rm original and mv temporary file to orginal"... |
| 13:05.18 | abrotman | gnarface: AFAIK, it should tell you the filesystem is full, and be done with it |
| 13:05.19 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | abrotman, gnarface: Data not entirely lost -- editor stays running with data in RAM, so it can be saved to a USB drive or another partition once the mtab errors are ignored. mousepad, but also abiword. I don't remember if anyone said it was not a bug, but I can check the logs. |
| 13:05.22 | stew | gnarface: then don't take it as flattery, take it as "we're always looking for more volunteers!" ) |
| 13:05.29 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: wanna go through the whole description again for rozie? its better in your words |
| 13:05.37 | abrotman | utrrrongeeb_fenr: but if you did a :wq .. the editor would close |
| 13:05.38 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | ok |
| 13:05.38 | rozie | it will be exactly like this |
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| 13:06.11 | rozie | especially if temporary is on /tmp which is on another partition OSLT |
| 13:06.19 | dwep | babilen: actually, i do have a problem, with the hdmi-sound more specifically. can't seem to get it working, even though i've un-muted ati r6xx hdmi in alsa and checked the box iec958 in volume control |
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| 13:07.03 | Iridos | gnarface, I said that looks like expected behavior to me... I've seen the same with quotas and there's no clear way how to behave better when the system _cannot_ write to disk because the available/allowed space is used |
| 13:07.14 | gnarface | ah, thanks for speaking up Iridos |
| 13:07.18 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | rozie: When the FS fills up for the *user*, root can still write a bit. *After* root writes a bit like this, *then* when the *user* tries to write the file, an error is reported and the original file is emptied. The editor has the data in RAM and can still write to another FS. |
| 13:07.22 | gnarface | abrotman, utrrrongeeb_fenr ^^^^ |
| 13:07.38 | rozie | utrrrongeeb_fenr: check this in a way: you have a file (file.txt), fill whole partition, then echo "just a test" >> file.txt |
| 13:07.42 | gnarface | the problem is emacs is so god damned pedantic, i've never run into this |
| 13:07.52 | gnarface | i imagine with file handling vi is the same |
| 13:08.00 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | rozie: Just a moment, have to fill up the disk... |
| 13:08.06 | abrotman | the editor is a convenience .. and really doesn't factor into the problem |
| 13:08.29 | gnarface | right, but the ultimate question is whether or not ext4 should need a good text editor to be safe to write to when its 100% full |
| 13:08.47 | Iridos | gnarface, I don't say that it's a very nice behavior... but seems quite unavoidable the way things are handled. Generally editors are supposed to take measures against data loss |
| 13:08.58 | hehe | when using schroot, when do I want to --preserve-environment and when don't I? |
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| 13:09.31 | gnarface | Iridos: what do you know about the possibility of swap storing "spillover" temporarily when the disk is 100% full? is that just something i dreamed? |
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| 13:10.38 | gnarface | abrotman for the record he was running without swap when this happened. after adding swap things became... more difficult to reproduce. utrrrongeeb_fenr can speak to that better though |
| 13:10.50 | rozie | question about watchdog and iTCO_wdt module: after /etc/init.d/watchdog stop system should reboot in about 60 seconds? |
| 13:10.54 | DammitJim | is there an easy way to do hibernation? |
| 13:11.04 | DammitJim | the only way I know right now is as root, run pm-hibernate |
| 13:11.04 | abrotman | gnarface: probably because of the editor? |
| 13:11.11 | abrotman | DammitJim: press the power button ? |
| 13:11.23 | gnarface | abrotman: /me shrug ... i use emacs. |
| 13:11.28 | rozie | have strange behaviour here. must cat /dev/watchdog, then (na only then) it works |
| 13:11.29 | DammitJim | :-P @ gnarface |
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| 13:11.41 | Iridos | gnarface, never heard of it. I also don't see how it can be really useful. Whatever managed to fill the 1TB /home will fill the 4GB swap even faster... (also, of course that wouldn't be an option for quotas) |
| 13:11.43 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface, abrotman: Not really, the bug reproduced just fine once I figured out the root bit. |
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| 13:11.55 | gnarface | DammitJim: M-x doctor is my actual doctor :-D |
| 13:12.18 | DammitJim | I'm a doctor, not a USER |
| 13:12.36 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | rozie: Ready to test. |
| 13:13.14 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: still possible the actual bug is in your text editor's behavior |
| 13:13.24 | Iridos | DammitJim, and some keyboards actually have a standby-key (dunno how to get that to do hibernate instead of standby, though)... also gnome "shutdown" dialog gives you the option to hibernate/suspend |
| 13:13.28 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: I can test that now. |
| 13:13.38 | abrotman | gnarface: that's why rozie suggested he use echo or cat or something |
| 13:13.42 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: it is possible for it to misbehave in a way that would subvert ANY level of careful data handling at the filesystem level |
| 13:13.52 | gnarface | abrotman: oh, i missed that part |
| 13:13.52 | DammitJim | Iridos, is that usually a window manager thing, then? |
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| 13:17.02 | Iridos | DammitJim, dunno how that's handled internally, actually. Hm, looking at it, it seems that "gnome-power-manager" does it. And dunno about other WMs... never seen anything the like with fvwm2 or openbox. kdm/gdm have dialogs for shutting down usually... perhaps also for hibernate |
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| 13:17.11 | gnarface | stew: it seems to me that being a maintainer without knowing very much python or C would be a serious limitation. no? |
| 13:17.35 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface, rozie: $ echo "test" >> btest3.txt # returns bash: echo: write error: No space left on device |
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| 13:17.40 | DammitJim | yeah, I'm trying to set it up on e17 and it's rather different |
| 13:17.56 | DammitJim | because it needs super user privileges |
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| 13:18.13 | stew | gnarface: i've barely used c in the last 15 years, so no. there is plenty to be done without either of those languages |
| 13:18.22 | stew | gnarface: we have DDs that don't know any programming languages |
| 13:18.38 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface, rozie: It does not erase the original file. |
| 13:19.28 | Iridos | DammitJim, there's also ... mmmh /sys/power |
| 13:19.32 | gnarface | stew: i'm pretty useless outside of bash and a few web languages. i'd desparately like to fix whatever the hell has been wrong with mozilla-venkman for the past couple years but i tried to figure out where to start and failed even at that |
| 13:20.13 | stew | i'm sure there are tons of bugs in software written in "web languages" which could use help |
| 13:20.26 | DammitJim | Iridos, /sys/power googles it |
| 13:20.27 | Iridos | har har |
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| 13:20.52 | Iridos | DammitJim, I mean on the filesystem... |
| 13:20.54 | DammitJim | I don't think that has any hibernate |
| 13:21.36 | Iridos | dunno, there was something in /proc or /sys you could echo 1>file into and the machine suspends |
| 13:21.48 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface, rozie: Any thoughts? |
| 13:22.28 | Iridos | DammitJim, like... http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt |
| 13:22.47 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: you said cat behaved safely? my thought is this: your text editors of choice (abiword and mousepad you said? never heard of them.) - kill them. kill them with fire |
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| 13:24.11 | Iridos | gnarface, abiword isn't really an editor anyway... more something like a cross between editor and ... office-suite? |
| 13:24.13 | gnarface | stew: there's some sort of primer or handbook for getting started as a maintainer, isn't there? packaging policies and all that? |
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| 13:24.36 | Iridos | gnarface, /msg dselect nmg |
| 13:24.47 | gnarface | thanks Iridos |
| 13:24.50 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: What text editors do you respect? Emacs and vi did behave well.... |
| 13:24.57 | DammitJim | Iridos, thatnks for the link, but I know hibernation works |
| 13:24.58 | Iridos | enough for lots of rainy days/nights |
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| 13:25.12 | Iridos | DammitJim, I was just saying that is another way to hibernate |
| 13:25.14 | DammitJim | I just want to know an easy way to call it vs having to su and then run the command LOL |
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| 13:25.27 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: only ever emacs. you can blame my CS 101 professor for that |
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| 13:26.05 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: It's not just editors -- innocent programs like Nexuiz blow their config files away by accident this way... |
| 13:26.13 | Zvpun | Hi, on the command line as a normal (non root) user, can I somehow alias foo to 192.168.0.10, such that ssh foo; ping foo; sftp foo; #... works? |
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| 13:26.20 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: vim is very very polished too, i just don't like the interface |
| 13:26.31 | aleray | hi, where is exim4 on debian squeeze... .can't find it |
| 13:26.42 | Iridos | DammitJim, if you don't want graphical (i.e. gnome) you can always write a suid-root wrapper for it that a regular user can call... or configure sudo to allow you to call it passwordless |
| 13:27.09 | Iridos | judd, versions exim4 |
| 13:27.10 | judd | Package exim4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.69-9+lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 4.69-9+lenny4; lenny-security: 4.69-9+lenny4; lenny-backports: 4.72-6+squeeze2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.72-6+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 4.72-6+squeeze2; sid: 4.76-2; wheezy: 4.76-2 |
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| 13:27.50 | DammitJim | I need to learn suid-root |
| 13:27.52 | Iridos | aleray, it's in main... |
| 13:27.52 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 13:27.56 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: i've not heard of Nexuiz either, but maybe the bug reports you should be filling out are with it, abiword (is that some commercial lotus product?) and mousepad (is that even a text editor?) |
| 13:28.33 | eldowan | Zvpun: you could setup an env variable BLEH=<IP> and call it ssh $BLEH; ping #BLEH, etc... |
| 13:28.36 | aleray | Iridos, aptitude install exim4 does not work :/ |
| 13:28.41 | Iridos | DammitJim, I suggest perl for the wrapper, as suidperl allows this even though suid on scripts is turned off... (and I don't know if other scripting languages have similar mechanisms) |
| 13:28.46 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: if you can't reproduce the bug with cat, then it seems to me that the actual problem is these programs are VERY badly behaved |
| 13:28.48 | Zvpun | eldowan: and aside from that? |
| 13:28.53 | Iridos | aleray, time to look into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:29.06 | Iridos | dselect, tell aleray about sources.list |
| 13:29.20 | aleray | Iridos, oh I have it already installed.... my mistake |
| 13:29.24 | eldowan | Zvpun: I'm not aware of a userspace hosts file, which I think would be what you want. |
| 13:29.24 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: abiword is a lighter-weight word processor, mousepad is Xfce's version of Microsoft Notepad, leafpad is what mousepad is based directly on, and Nexuiz is one of the more popular free FPS's. |
| 13:29.52 | Big_Brother | is there any way to force a certain resolution? |
| 13:29.54 | hehe | using wget, how do I download all *.<ext> files directly linked to a website? |
| 13:29.57 | Zvpun | eldowan: thank you Sir. |
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| 13:30.09 | eldowan | np, of course |
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| 13:31.25 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: you know that you can get >1TB drives for around $50 right? |
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| 13:33.05 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: :-P Haven't I said I'm running a *test system* in the *swap partition* of the drive? ;-) This isn't going to a practical problem. The mousepad source in question is at http://git.xfce.org/apps/mousepad/tree/src/file.c (bottom of page). |
| 13:33.49 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: yea just thought i'd mention it because that's probably what most of these project owners are gonna tell you when you try to get them to fix it |
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| 13:34.39 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | I don't know what vi and emacs use for file writing, but it must be less simple than mousepad's. |
| 13:34.40 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: but that doesn't mean i don't think you should file bugs till kingdom come. its just that you're likely gonna be filing a lot of bugs with any software that hasn't been around for more than 10 years or so, because its just not something people test much |
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| 13:35.08 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: with regards to emacs, i can tell you in no uncertain terms it is FAAAR less simple |
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| 13:35.27 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: I'll admit I've never filed a Debian bug report -- just SuperTuxKart upstream. Personally, there's some bugs in Xfce 4.8 Thunar which 'bug' me much more.... |
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| 13:36.01 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: its pretty easy as long as you have an email address: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 13:37.49 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface: I'll leave that tab up, maybe get to it at some point.... |
| 13:38.31 | gnarface | utrrrongeeb_fenr: the first time is always the hardest :) |
| 13:38.32 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | gnarface, rozie, abrotman: Thanks for the help! Seems it's more to blame on simplistic software. Practically it shouldn't be a problem. |
| 13:40.25 | abrotman | why is he still testing with editors? |
| 13:40.26 | sylarr | how to do dmesg like tail -f |
| 13:40.30 | sylarr | ? |
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| 13:41.28 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | abrotman: I tested echo, cat, etc. Not a problem. Vi and emacs are smart enough to avoid it. Mousepad, abiword, and Nexuiz aren't. Since it won't practically affect me, I'll leave it at that. |
| 13:41.52 | abrotman | yay corner case |
| 13:41.59 | abrotman | sylarr: tail -f /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 13:43.33 | ironm | hello debian fans :) - does one of you use xen on squeeze or wheezy? .. and servers with AMD CPU ? |
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| 13:44.19 | ironm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:44.45 | ironm | link to xen 4.0 (squeeze) and xen 4.1 (wheezy) debian live images - http://www.it-infrastrukturen.com/fileadmin/linux/debian-live-xen/README.xen |
| 13:45.15 | sylarr | :*) thanks abrotman |
| 13:45.39 | ironm | do you have any idea how to solve this issue? - thank you in advance for any hints (different one than killing the hardware vendor (HP) ;) ... for the missing IOMMU BIOS option ... |
| 13:45.56 | ironm | Linux xen41dom0 2.6.39-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jun 8 11:01:04 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:46.21 | ironm | another short question: has the following boot option name changed in xen 4.1? - xen-pciback.hide=(05:00.0)(05:00.1) as it doesn't hide the listed devices when booting the xen 4.1 enabled kernel (it works with xen 4.0 kernel) |
| 13:46.49 | wm4 | I'm getting this when trying to link a program with gcc-4.3 on debian unstable: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find crt1.o: No such file or directory |
| 13:47.16 | sylarr | abrotman, /var/log/dmesg miss a lot of messages shown by executing dmesg |
| 13:47.29 | Big_Brother | how do i fix my GPU's outputs? nvidia-settings dicked them up and now i can't get past 640x480. |
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| 13:47.49 | abrotman | sylarr: i told you what you asked .. you may actually want /var/log/messages |
| 13:47.51 | sylarr | abrotman, like ones due to echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
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| 13:48.53 | Iridos | gnarface, it's pretty easy as long as you have an email address that you don't mind being spammed |
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| 13:52.17 | crodjer | My applications which are based on ia32, attempt to use 64 bit libs; this is the error: http://dpaste.com/567768/ |
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| 13:53.00 | abrotman | crodjer: what is 'uname -r' and 'file /path/to/your/program' ? |
| 13:53.46 | stew | or perhaps uname -m |
| 13:54.02 | crodjer | uname: 2.6.32-5-amd64, program is /usr/bin/skype and the game secondlife |
| 13:55.50 | Big_Brother | how do i fix my GPU's outputs? nvidia-settings screwed them up and now i can't get past 640x480. |
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| 13:57.29 | crodjer | abrotman: stew I have seen the same error on some mailing lists (mostly ubuntu) but none provides a working solution |
| 13:57.30 | Iridos | ironm, in case you get no answer here, I would think the question is too... special/specific with xen for here... there's #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net with 10 or so people in it, you could try there |
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| 13:58.26 | stew | anybody have problems with actual free software? :) |
| 13:58.28 | ironm | thank you very much Iridos . I have checked them already but didn't get any answer yet |
| 13:58.29 | abrotman | crodjer: but what does "file /usr/bin/skype' say ? |
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| 13:59.09 | Iridos | s/with/for/ |
| 13:59.21 | crodjer | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/567773/ |
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| 14:00.04 | abrotman | crodjer: ldd /usr/bin/skype ? |
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| 14:01.10 | crodjer | http://dpaste.com/567775/ |
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| 14:03.01 | crodjer | abrotman: ^^ |
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| 14:04.09 | abrotman | why is it finding stuff in /lib32/ on squeeze? |
| 14:04.23 | abrotman | oh, amd64 ? |
| 14:04.36 | abrotman | crodjer: what is dpkg --print-architecture ? |
| 14:04.40 | DSpair | Hello all... I'm having problems getting X working on my ATI Radeon. Every time X starts, the system freezes. Cannot switch VTs and CAPS/NUM lock do not work. |
| 14:05.00 | crodjer | amd64 |
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| 14:06.55 | wols_ | which card and which driver for it? |
| 14:06.58 | DSpair | Even worse, it hangs before anything is written to the xorg.log file. |
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| 14:07.23 | DSpair | Radeon HD 3200, using the radeon driver for Xorg |
| 14:07.43 | wols_ | if you run startx, it writes stuff to console |
| 14:07.50 | crodjer | abrotman: after doing `export GTK_PATH=/usr/lib32/gtk-2.0:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0` only gail-gnome error remains |
| 14:08.05 | crodjer | as it is not available under lib32 |
| 14:08.10 | wols_ | crodjer: why do you have a /usr/lib32? |
| 14:08.17 | DSpair | wols_: Unfortunately, no... It hangs before any output is visible. |
| 14:08.55 | crodjer | wols_: I use some 32 bit applications |
| 14:08.58 | wols_ | DSpair: check if your X actually is instaleld properly and not a corrupted file |
| 14:09.00 | DSpair | Let me grab my laptop so that I can ty things while chatting. |
| 14:09.10 | babilen | DSpair: Which version of Debian is that? What does "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" give you? Do you use a xorg.conf? (if so paste it please and try without one) |
| 14:09.29 | wols_ | crodjer: that is not answer. show us a file in /usr/lib32 and dpkg -S <path to that file> please |
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| 14:10.06 | solars | what could it be that although /etc/ntp are equivalent, times differ on 2 servers by 2 minutes? |
| 14:10.49 | stew | solars: is ntp running on both servers? |
| 14:11.22 | DSpair | babilen: It's Debian CUT, I tried with and without an xorg.conf file. The xorg.conf I am currently using was generated by 'X -configure'. |
| 14:11.54 | babilen | uuh, CUT! You are the first user I meet who uses that. |
| 14:11.56 | wols_ | DSpair: what is "debian CUT"? |
| 14:12.29 | stew | CUT is a proposal that was not yet realized, its still in the brainstorming phase |
| 14:12.46 | wols_ | <alanis>how ironic it isn't usable</alanis> |
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| 14:12.46 | babilen | DSpair: So the problem arises with and without the xorg.conf? Which graphic card is in there? Which driver do you use? Can you reproduce the problem on a squeeze or wheezy system? |
| 14:13.05 | solars | stew, yeah, I think though it is because its a virtual server and gets it somehow ofrom the actual physical server |
| 14:13.06 | crodjer | wols_: http://dpaste.com/567781/ |
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| 14:13.37 | stew | solars: what is the virtualization technology? |
| 14:14.14 | DSpair | babilen: Card is listed as a Radeon 3200 HD in lspci. I'm using the "radeon" driver. I have not yet tried with squeeze or wheezy |
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| 14:14.48 | solars | stew, openvz |
| 14:15.03 | DSpair | Is it possible to "downgrade" to wheezy by changing my sources? |
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| 14:15.19 | babilen | DSpair: Hmm, I have to confess that I blame it on CUT right now, but that is just my gut feeling. It would therefore be interesting to know about your results with a vanilla squeeze or wheezy system. |
| 14:15.20 | DSpair | BRB, switching over to my laptop. |
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| 14:16.03 | ner0x | If I wanted all users of group 'fax' to be able to use the program /usr/bin/sendfax, how do I do so? |
| 14:16.23 | stew | solars: i don't know much about openvz, but I'd expect it to be getting the time from the host system |
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| 14:16.51 | solars | stew, thats what I thought, will correct it there, thanks a lot! |
| 14:17.05 | ner0x | Actually, I'd like the user 'fax-server' to be able to run /usr/bin/sendfax as any member of group fax. Is this possible? |
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| 14:17.48 | abrotman | crodjer: why are you trying to run a 32bit app on a 64bit linux? |
| 14:17.58 | DSpair | OK, I'm back and now I can mess with the offending machine without losing IRC. |
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| 14:18.20 | crodjer | thats the only way to run apps like skype right? |
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| 14:18.30 | DSpair | BTW, My laptop is also running CUT and has no problems. It uses an nVidia card though. |
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| 14:19.10 | crodjer | abrotman: I am also trying this game "secondlife" which needs 32 bit libs too |
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| 14:19.44 | abrotman | crodjer: if you knew you needed all these binary-only apps, why did you install 64bit? |
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| 14:23.17 | sfgdfg | hi, in squeeze i have php5 installed as an apache2 module, and i'm editing /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini but when i check a phpinfo() page it does not show |
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| 14:23.43 | sfgdfg | actually i want to enable "allow_url_include" |
| 14:24.00 | abrotman | did you restart apache? |
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| 14:24.26 | crodjer | abrotman: these are the *only* 32 bit apps I needed, otherwise I work with 64 bit |
| 14:24.34 | sfgdfg | yes i did |
| 14:24.39 | sfgdfg | restarted pc also |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | boggles how you need skype and secondlife |
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| 14:25.29 | Anon0927 | Hel5o |
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| 14:25.49 | sfgdfg | actually i made a phpinfo only file to see the php.ini info and it says /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is the loaded configuration file, i go edit it and no changes made after restarting apache and reloading the phpinfo page |
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| 14:26.16 | Anon0927 | I need be debian developer in my country |
| 14:26.36 | Anon0927 | How to do that ? |
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| 14:26.47 | sfgdfg | also in the Additional .ini files parsed there isn't a directive to override that setting |
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| 14:27.08 | Anon0927 | Oit |
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| 14:27.16 | sfgdfg | it also says This server is protected with the Suhosin Patch 0.9.9.1 |
| 14:27.36 | sfgdfg | can that have anything to do ? |
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| 14:28.57 | sfgdfg | it's like it's ignoring php.ini |
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| 14:31.52 | DSpair | Hmmm . . . I install fglrx and configured using aticonfig. Got a lot further (actually see my desktop), but the keyboard and mouse don't work yet. |
| 14:31.55 | hehe | why can a chroot access locations outside the chrooted environment? The chroot is /sid, I did "schroot -c /sid -p -- wine /install.exe" and wine did the following: "wine: created the configuration directory '/home/user/.wine'" outside the chroot. How can that be? |
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| 14:33.22 | sfgdfg | so i ask you, if Loaded Configuration File is /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini in phpinfo() and i edit that file, why does it not make the changes after restart |
| 14:33.23 | crodjer | abrotman: skype for official conference; secondlife just for fun ;) |
| 14:33.26 | sfgdfg | *apache restart |
| 14:33.58 | abrotman | crodjer: anyway .. see the amd64 howto .. probably easier to setup a chroot |
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| 14:35.31 | crodjer | abrotman: yeah, thanks for the help |
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| 14:35.44 | abrotman | was that sarcasm ? |
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| 14:37.25 | crodjer | abrotman: no |
| 14:37.44 | crodjer | I found lot of stuff following your debuging steps |
| 14:38.04 | abrotman | crodjer: in the future, this will be easier .. but now, the chroot is probably the easiest method |
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| 14:38.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | howdy |
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| 14:39.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'd like to have a more up to date pidgin in my debian squeeze installation, and I'd like to as if anyone ever tried to just install the recent pidgin from the sid repository |
| 14:39.57 | DSpair | Switching to fglrx seems to have fixed X, but the mouse and keyboard inputs are not working. Suggestions? I've checked the xorg.conf, and the device paths look correct. |
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| 14:41.07 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: likely bad, very bad |
| 14:41.12 | abrotman | !tell KaffeeJunky123 about ssb |
| 14:41.36 | hehe | why can a chroot access locations outside the chrooted environment? The chroot is /sid, I did "schroot -c /sid -p -- wine /install.exe" and wine did the following: "wine: created the configuration directory '/home/user/.wine'" outside the chroot. How can that be? |
| 14:41.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: I think the bot is dead :O |
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| 14:42.06 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 14:42.09 | abrotman | %tell KaffeeJunky123 about ssb |
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| 14:43.00 | hehe | dselect ssb |
| 14:43.00 | dselect | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 14:43.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: thanks a bunch |
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| 14:43.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: I'll try that, looks like it's safe |
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| 14:43.56 | Cas07 | im looking for help on packaging with dh-translations and debhelper , is this the right chan? |
| 14:43.57 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin |
| 14:43.58 | judd | Package pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.9.0-1; sid: 2.9.0-3 |
| 14:44.09 | abrotman | %tell Cas07 about mentors |
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| 14:44.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: should I take the sid or wheezy source package? |
| 14:44.58 | abrotman | uh, up to you |
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| 14:45.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | let the library version madness begin! |
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| 14:46.41 | abrotman | eww |
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| 14:48.31 | Cas07 | abrotman: thats useful to know but i have a specific question related to using dh-translations |
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| 14:49.48 | mrjive | hi, i'm trying to make my wireless card work, but since the module is not present anymore i don't know how to do it. I cannot even download drivers from the realtek website. The card is Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10). Any idea? |
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| 14:50.04 | abrotman | Cas07: i'm aware, they would know more than us :) |
| 14:50.04 | DSpair | Hey all, My keyboard and mouse (gpm) work fine at the console, but do not work at all in X. Any suggestions? |
| 14:50.05 | mrjive | it used to work with r8192se_pci driver |
| 14:50.19 | abrotman | Cas07: or they'd send you to something like #debian-i18n |
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| 14:51.34 | Cas07 | abrotman: ah ill try that, fyi i cant join mentors chan without invite |
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| 14:51.44 | wols_ | %tell mrjive about rtl8192se |
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| 14:53.17 | abrotman | Cas07: irc.oftc.net .. it tells you that |
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| 14:54.05 | mrjive | thanks wols_ . |
| 14:54.21 | abrotman | wel, says irc.debian.org .. same thing |
| 14:54.34 | Cas07 | abrotman: ah oops |
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| 14:55.25 | mrjive | wols_: kernel 3.x is not yet in debian, not even in experimental ... :( |
| 14:55.43 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 14:55.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 14:55.57 | inkvizitor68sl | it is in experimental |
| 14:56.03 | mrjive | ops sorry my query was filtered |
| 14:56.06 | mrjive | sorry, thanks |
| 14:56.07 | zykotick9 | mrjive, 3.0.0 is in experimental actually, I installed it into a VM 2 days ago |
| 14:56.18 | mrjive | yep, excuse me |
| 14:56.35 | inkvizitor68sl | hm... experimental.... hmhmh |
| 14:56.48 | inkvizitor68sl | what you can tell about lxc / |
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| 14:56.50 | inkvizitor68sl | ? |
| 14:56.52 | inkvizitor68sl | at exp ? |
| 14:57.00 | abrotman | inkvizitor68sl: stop hitting enter |
| 14:57.09 | frosch | Hi! I'm using Redmine (some project management software similiar to the better known trac). I would like to setup my debian installation so that Redmine gets automatically started after a reboot of the machine. Is there an easy way to do this? I have no experiences with the runlevel stuff. Is it enough to add the path of the redmine-startup-shell script somewhere? |
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| 14:57.34 | Cas07 | abrotman: thanks for your patience |
| 14:57.36 | inkvizitor68sl | frosch: easiest way - add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 14:57.58 | abrotman | ugh |
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| 14:58.02 | abrotman | !tell frosch about run at startup |
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| 14:58.05 | abrotman | %tell frosch about run at startup |
| 14:58.09 | stew | frosch: are you using the redmine debian packages? |
| 14:58.20 | inkvizitor68sl | frosch: better not redmine-startup-shell, but script with watchdog |
| 14:58.21 | stew | err, debian redmin pacakges |
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| 14:58.35 | frosch | stew: no I'm using 1.2 from the website |
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| 14:59.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | mrjive: I found the driver on their hp ^^ |
| 14:59.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | mrjive: http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true |
| 15:00.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | but I'd think you'd just need to install the non-free firmware for it |
| 15:00.08 | Python | Hi all :) |
| 15:00.15 | adac | Hi guys. Is there a package tha contains: MySQL Cluster management (ndb_mgmd)? |
| 15:00.19 | mrjive | KaffeeJunky123: thanks, i found the driver too, but often the site is slooow and goes to timeout |
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| 15:00.29 | mrjive | KaffeeJunky123: thanks anyeay |
| 15:00.33 | mrjive | *anyway |
| 15:00.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | mrjive: it doesn't do that for me |
| 15:00.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | Well I like to help where ever I can ;) |
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| 15:01.07 | mrjive | i'll try again, thanks |
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| 15:01.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | good luck |
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| 15:02.16 | frosch | abrotman: thanks! |
| 15:02.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | I remember having huges problems with realtek wireless in the past across different kernel versions |
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| 15:03.03 | skilz | how can i mount an iso? |
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| 15:03.47 | lintux | hmmm what is MIMO-GuiPPlug with debian-squeeze is it like an iPad? |
| 15:04.00 | babilen | skilz: mount the.iso /mnt/foo -t iso9660 -o loop |
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| 15:04.48 | frosch | abrotman: "as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot" -- lol, sometimes everything could be soo easy..but I just seem to not think about the simple solutions at all...thx again |
| 15:05.13 | jelly | lintux: we don't know what a "MIMO-GuiPPlug" is, at all |
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| 15:05.47 | lintux | me either but has debian-squeeze OS |
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| 15:06.00 | jelly | google is your friend, lintux |
| 15:06.33 | lintux | http://www.mimomonitors.com/products/plug-10-monster |
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| 15:07.27 | DSpair | Woot! Got it fixed. The xorg-input-mount/keyboard packages were not installed for some reason. |
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| 15:08.00 | ajikeshi__ | lintux, OMG overprized |
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| 15:08.17 | skilz | whats the backtrack linux channel? |
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| 15:08.18 | asdjaputra | is Woot sorta like woohoo? |
| 15:08.26 | asdjaputra | skilz, #backtrack-linux |
| 15:08.37 | lintux | just want to know is it like an ipad? |
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| 15:09.46 | asdjaputra | is dpkg sick? where is he? |
| 15:10.05 | stew | asdjaputra: vacation |
| 15:10.13 | asdjaputra | cool |
| 15:10.33 | stew | we're expecting her to return in the next day or two. in the meantime, dselect is here to fill in |
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| 15:10.43 | asdjaputra | oh k |
| 15:10.53 | zykotick9 | dpkg is currently working on OFTC |
| 15:10.53 | asdjaputra | and, he's a her?! |
| 15:11.08 | stew | dselect: gender |
| 15:11.09 | dselect | I'm female |
| 15:11.20 | stew | they have a hard time deciding sometimes |
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| 15:11.25 | stew | dselect: gender |
| 15:11.26 | dselect | I'm sexless |
| 15:11.36 | asdjaputra | :-) |
| 15:11.41 | asdjaputra | dselect: gender |
| 15:11.41 | dselect | I'm lesbian |
| 15:11.45 | asdjaputra | wth |
| 15:12.05 | Python | Hi asdjaputra |
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| 15:12.13 | asdjaputra | hey |
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| 15:12.32 | asdjaputra | didn't saw you here at the time i log in |
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| 15:14.02 | asdjaputra | Python are you still banned from #ubuntu? |
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| 15:16.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: seems to work fine so far |
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| 15:16.58 | abrotman | boo! |
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| 15:24.25 | aaaaaaaaaaa | debian |
| 15:24.38 | aaaaaaaaaaa | debian? |
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| 15:25.05 | Slaug | debian! |
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| 15:25.11 | aaaaaaaaaaa | debian... |
| 15:25.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | aaaaaaaaaaa: this is debian! |
| 15:25.38 | Slaug | This is DEBIAN! |
| 15:25.45 | aaaaaaaaaaa | deb deb |
| 15:26.09 | Slaug | echo 'Debian!!!' |
| 15:26.24 | aaaaaaaaaaa | deb debian deb deb debain deb? |
| 15:26.39 | Slaug | deb debian deb deb debian debian! |
| 15:26.44 | aaaaaaaaaaa | ah |
| 15:26.44 | ironm | ?kickout aaaaaaaaaaa ? |
| 15:26.46 | aaaaaaaaaaa | deb deb |
| 15:27.20 | epsilon | Slaug: This is blasmephy! his is madness! |
| 15:27.49 | salvin | does kde use bluedevil for the bluetooth? |
| 15:27.52 | Slaug | epsilon: THIS...IS....UBUNTU! :P |
| 15:28.01 | stew | aaaaaaaaaaa: if you have a question, please just ask it. otherwise, please just stop |
| 15:28.02 | aaaaaaaaaaa | salvin: deb |
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| 15:28.15 | epsilon | slacker_nl: OH NOESSSS |
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| 15:28.23 | salvin | aaaaaaaaaaa: thanks |
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| 15:28.31 | aaaaaaaaaaa | deb deb |
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| 15:29.05 | Digdilem | multi bot/idiot spam, kban pls |
| 15:29.07 | simonlnu | %ops aaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:29.07 | dselect | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: simonlnu complains about: aaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:29.14 | stew | uh |
| 15:29.18 | stew | i'm right here |
| 15:29.26 | salvin | deb deb deb, deb is the word |
| 15:29.26 | mrmist | dselect: Doing that is rather silly. |
| 15:29.28 | simonlnu | hi =) |
| 15:29.48 | stew | dselect: forget Doing that |
| 15:29.49 | dselect | i didn't have anything called 'doing that' to forget, stew |
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| 15:30.04 | themill | stew: dselect's db is readonly |
| 15:30.12 | themill | mrmist: thank you for killing our bot |
| 15:30.15 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:30.22 | Slaug | By the way...What's with kexec function of 2.6.39 kernel in sid? I understand that it is suppose to change kernel on-the-fly, but changing it by sudo reboot is insane =) |
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| 15:30.24 | dselect | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill) |
| 15:30.35 | abrotman | mrmist: why did you kill the bot? |
| 15:30.54 | RichiH | aaaaaaaaaaa: can we help you? |
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| 15:30.58 | mrmist | abrotman: sorry im on a bit of an auto-pilot |
| 15:31.01 | abrotman | wonders which channels mrmist uses that he's never seen a bot call ops before ... |
| 15:31.02 | aaaaaaaaaaa | deb |
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| 15:31.12 | Python | %ops aaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:31.13 | dselect | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: python complains about: aaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 15:31.21 | simonlnu | the problem child is still here.. |
| 15:31.22 | abrotman | Python: WE GOT IT.. there are four of us sitting here |
| 15:31.25 | simonlnu | was* |
| 15:31.33 | Python | ? |
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| 15:31.38 | Digdilem | that wasn't the only one |
| 15:32.02 | stew | lets move on... |
| 15:32.08 | Slaug | How can i get rid of kexec on reboot sid? It is driving me crazy, i cannot reboot =) |
| 15:32.24 | Slaug | on reboot in sid* |
| 15:33.22 | Slaug | Or should i just report it to bugtracker? |
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| 15:33.51 | themill | %kexec |
| 15:33.52 | dselect | kexec allows the system to load a kernel from a running kernel and boot into it, skipping the BIOS and bootloader stage of a reboot. To disable, "dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools" or uninstall with "aptitude remove kexec-tools". To skip using kexec once, use /sbin/coldreboot |
| 15:34.49 | Slaug | No, i know what this is, i just wanted to know how to kill it. Thanks bot =) |
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| 15:35.37 | Slaug | This is actually a very usefull thing... |
| 15:35.56 | themill | Slaug: if you want to know how to disable it, read the whole factoid. |
| 15:36.12 | Slaug | themill: I already did, thanks. |
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| 15:36.43 | ujjain | How do I obtain a ntop debian package? |
| 15:36.55 | themill | ,versions ntop |
| 15:36.56 | judd | Package ntop on i386 -- lenny: 3:3.3-11+b2; squeeze-backports: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3+b1; wheezy: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3+b1 |
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| 15:37.03 | stew | ujjain: aptitude install ntop |
| 15:37.04 | Slaug | ujjain: ./configure && make && make install? =) |
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| 15:37.17 | stew | Slaug: does their makefile build a debian package? |
| 15:37.23 | themill | ujjain: which release of debian are you using? |
| 15:37.32 | Slaug | stew |
| 15:37.35 | stew | oh, it's not in squeeze |
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| 15:37.40 | Slaug | stew: Nope |
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| 15:40.30 | Justin | it's in squeeze-backports though |
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| 15:41.43 | Raptors | Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 21: |
| 15:41.46 | Raptors | How do I fix this? |
| 15:42.00 | Raptors | ntfs-3g wont mount any |
| 15:42.04 | Raptors | anything |
| 15:42.19 | gnarface | Raptors: probably needs an fsck |
| 15:42.25 | Raptors | tried that |
| 15:42.31 | Raptors | o wait |
| 15:42.37 | Raptors | how do I run fsck |
| 15:42.43 | epsilon | um, whats code 21? |
| 15:42.49 | Raptors | actually that's not the prob |
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| 15:42.59 | Raptors | I know my winblows partition is clean |
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| 15:43.18 | skilz | anyone know of a terminal video player? |
| 15:43.25 | Raptors | Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 21: |
| 15:43.32 | jaakkos | Raptors: anything in dmesg? |
| 15:43.35 | drasko | dhclient wlan0 gives nothing. What to check ? |
| 15:43.41 | Raptors | let me check |
| 15:43.45 | epsilon | ntfsck / ntfsprog |
| 15:44.04 | ujjain | themill: I use Debian 6.x |
| 15:44.11 | stew | ujjain: /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:44.19 | ujjain | Slaug: I prefer package management, because I don't know how to delete installed software that is compiled. |
| 15:44.26 | Slaug | skilz: mplayer? with fb support. |
| 15:44.27 | themill | dselect: tell ujjain about bdo |
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| 15:44.41 | Raptors | [325221.123277] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 |
| 15:44.41 | Raptors | [325221.123284] Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0 |
| 15:44.48 | Slaug | ujjain: make uninstall or make remove, depends on app |
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| 15:45.15 | stew | and many won't have either make uninstall or make remove, you'd have to do it by hand |
| 15:45.20 | jelly | Raptors, epsilon: 21 Unclassified FUSE error. (man ntfs-3g.probe) |
| 15:45.20 | themill | Slaug: there are debian packages available, using the debian package makes much more sense. |
| 15:45.25 | drasko | dhclient wlan0 gives nothing. What to check ? |
| 15:45.31 | epsilon | Raptors: fd0? Sounds like floppy? |
| 15:45.39 | Raptors | I don't have a floppy |
| 15:45.42 | Raptors | drive |
| 15:45.43 | Slaug | themill: Of course. Just answering a question =) |
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| 15:46.19 | epsilon | Raptors: what command do you use to mound the ntfsl partition? |
| 15:46.21 | jaakkos | what is your mount command? what does lsmod|grep fuse say? |
| 15:46.28 | Slaug | drasko: dhclient -v i suppose |
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| 15:46.34 | shantorn | could any one tell me which of the cd/iso i would need to get a basic debian with xserver gnome installed? |
| 15:46.37 | gnarface | Raptors: you don't have a floppy? well that would certainly explain why you're having trouble mounting it.... |
| 15:46.43 | ujjain | stew: do you regularly use backports? |
| 15:46.48 | colo-work | shanepardue, any will do, if you have internet access |
| 15:46.55 | stew | ujjain: yes |
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| 15:46.58 | colo-work | just pick a suitable arch for your machine |
| 15:47.09 | Raptors | gnarface, how do I fake a floppy drive? |
| 15:47.13 | shantorn | so disk 1 would be enough? |
| 15:47.15 | ujjain | stew: ah ok, so it's nothing like using sid/unstable packages and pretty reliable. |
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| 15:47.38 | jaakkos | Raptors: now that does not sound like something you might want to do. |
| 15:47.41 | gnarface | Raptors: i don't know and i'm also fairly certain you don't want to. |
| 15:47.51 | epsilon | drasko: does iwconfig wlan0 show any associated AccesPoint? (There must be somewhere the MAC address of the AP) |
| 15:48.01 | Slaug | Oh, i have a question: how stable is armel port of debian sid? |
| 15:48.01 | Raptors | epsilon, /dev/sdd1 /media/WD ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_CA.utf8 0 0 |
| 15:48.04 | Raptors | I tried that... |
| 15:48.04 | stew | ujjain: its something using sid/unstable packages, it is using testing pacakge which come from unstable, but they are recompiled for stable. it is pretty reliable |
| 15:48.16 | stew | Slaug: it changes 4 times a day |
| 15:48.42 | Slaug | stew: i meant is it stable enough for productioin servers? |
| 15:48.48 | Slaug | production* |
| 15:48.56 | drasko | epsilon, Access Point: Not-Associated. What does it mean ? |
| 15:48.58 | stew | Slaug: no, sid is not, under any arch |
| 15:49.01 | skilz | I think I have framebuffer installed and working because I can play movies in console |
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| 15:49.17 | jaakkos | Raptors: have you tried: ntfs-3g /dev/sdd1 /media/WD |
| 15:49.18 | skilz | is that how I get a background in console too with framebuffer? |
| 15:49.19 | Slaug | stew: Ok, ill keep that in mind, thanks. |
| 15:49.31 | epsilon | drasko: then you're not connected to the acces point. therefore you have no network connection and dhcp won't work |
| 15:49.41 | Raptors | no |
| 15:49.56 | skilz | and picture of tux in the top left |
| 15:49.57 | epsilon | drasko: is the AP wpa1/2 encrypted? |
| 15:50.01 | Slaug | skilz: i believe it is |
| 15:50.20 | drasko | epsilon, no |
| 15:50.21 | Raptors | jaakkos, that didn't work though |
| 15:50.34 | drasko | epsilon, how to connect to AP ? |
| 15:50.39 | Raptors | sudo lsmod | grep floppy |
| 15:50.40 | Raptors | floppy 56861 0 |
| 15:50.40 | Slaug | skilz: mplayer supports playback through framebuffer, though i never tested it... |
| 15:50.48 | Raptors | Why do I have floppy modules enabled? |
| 15:50.55 | drasko | I tried : iwconfig wlan0 essid "my_ap" |
| 15:50.59 | Raptors | (or do I?) |
| 15:51.05 | epsilon | drasko: if wlan0 donfigured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:51.08 | jaakkos | Raptors: do you have the fuse module loaded |
| 15:51.09 | Raptors | not sure what that means, I am just googling around |
| 15:51.13 | abrotman | Raptors: what do you need sudo for? |
| 15:51.18 | Raptors | idk |
| 15:51.25 | abrotman | !enter |
| 15:51.26 | jaakkos | Raptors: lsmod|grep fuse |
| 15:51.29 | abrotman | %enter |
| 15:51.30 | dselect | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:51.30 | abrotman | grr |
| 15:51.36 | shantorn | is it difficult to move from stable to testing as an upgrade process? |
| 15:51.41 | Raptors | lsmod|grep fuse |
| 15:51.42 | Raptors | fuse 61554 1 |
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| 15:52.03 | stew | shantorn: testing changes every day. sometimes it might go smoothly, sometimes it might not |
| 15:52.11 | drasko | epsilon, no, it is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces. I am trying to configure it manualy. |
| 15:52.11 | abrotman | shantorn: depends on the current state of testing |
| 15:52.21 | epsilon | shantorn: no, just change the source to testing, then update && upgrade. Problem tis the way back to stable, it's almost inpossible or veery hard |
| 15:52.21 | Slaug | shantorn: Not that difficult. But downgrading is. |
| 15:52.22 | jaakkos | Raptors: paste the output of: head -c 16 /dev/sdd1 | xxd |
| 15:52.36 | Raptors | 0000000: eb52 904e 5446 5320 2020 2000 0208 0000 .R.NTFS ..... |
| 15:52.40 | shantorn | i have a stable cd but cant seem to find the testing iso cd except net install |
| 15:52.40 | jaakkos | hmph. |
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| 15:53.01 | jaakkos | Raptors: did this mount work for you before? |
| 15:53.03 | Raptors | it mounts if I removed ntfs-3g |
| 15:53.04 | epsilon | drasko: do you have eth* configured in intercaes with dhcp config? |
| 15:53.04 | Slaug | shantorn: Because there is none. You can install debian sid using debootstrap. |
| 15:53.10 | Raptors | but I don't get read/write |
| 15:53.13 | jaakkos | yes. |
| 15:53.15 | abrotman | Slaug: yes, there is one |
| 15:53.17 | stew | Slaug: what do you mean there is none? |
| 15:53.21 | abrotman | who makes up this stuff |
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| 15:53.41 | stew | Slaug: nobody is talking about installing sid |
| 15:53.42 | Raptors | jaakkos, I think :/ |
| 15:53.44 | drasko | epsilon, yes |
| 15:53.46 | Raptors | I think?* |
| 15:53.51 | Slaug | stew: Oh. |
| 15:53.55 | abrotman | shantorn: if you're trying ot use 'testing', you sohuld have the ability to work out any dist-upgrade problems on your own anyway |
| 15:53.59 | Slaug | I was wrong then. |
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| 15:54.38 | epsilon | drasko: just add 2 lines: auto wlan0, iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 15:54.44 | Slaug | Testing is wheezy now, right? Only way is netboot as i know. |
| 15:54.51 | abrotman | netinst you mean? |
| 15:54.54 | shantorn | what i was mainly asking is would it be simpler to install with the 6 disc i have and then upgrade or to get a"testing" ver cd |
| 15:54.58 | Slaug | netinst, yes. |
| 15:55.00 | drasko | epsilon, I do not want |
| 15:55.04 | skilz | anyone know about linux-patch-debianlogo? |
| 15:55.04 | Raptors | jaakkos, should I blacklist floppy like it says on launchpad? |
| 15:55.06 | abrotman | Slaug: they have weekly CD/DVD sets also |
| 15:55.14 | abrotman | Slaug: any more misinformation you'd like to spread? |
| 15:55.17 | skilz | does it hide the text in console on boot or can I still see it? |
| 15:55.26 | drasko | epsilon, I just want to configure it manually now, one shot, just to use it right now and just once. |
| 15:55.28 | stew | Slaug: were you previously thinking that testing was sid? |
| 15:55.35 | jaakkos | Raptors: is this really fuse/ntfs-3g related? url? |
| 15:55.42 | Bushmills | shantorn: probably. |
| 15:55.42 | stew | that might explain some confusion |
| 15:55.42 | Slaug | stew: of course not |
| 15:55.48 | Raptors | idk... |
| 15:55.51 | abrotman | shantorn: you can just use the first CD, then dist-upgrade from there .. basically, if you're going to go to testing from stable immediately, ti's best do do so with a minimal system |
| 15:55.53 | epsilon | drasko: then delete the damn lines after you dont need it anymore... |
| 15:55.57 | Slaug | abrotman: Sorry, my bad. |
| 15:56.01 | Raptors | I just googled Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0 |
| 15:56.22 | Slaug | stew: sid is unstable, testing is wheezy, stable is squeeze =) |
| 15:56.24 | jaakkos | Raptors: might be interesting to try: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/img bs=10M count=200 && losetup /dev/loop0 /tmp/img && mkfs.ntfs /dev/loop0 && ntfs-3g /dev/loop0 /mnt |
| 15:56.27 | Bushmills | shantorn: the testing installer has sometimes problems. not sure about it's current condition. but going through squeeze is relatively foolproof. |
| 15:56.32 | drasko | epsilon, OK. To put it another way - I want also to learn doing it manually, and not using conf. Is it possible ? |
| 15:56.35 | abrotman | shantorn: so you can use the first CD only, then do the install, when it gets to tasksel, choose only "standard", make sure your stable system is up to date, then change your sources to wheezy and dist-upgrade |
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| 15:56.39 | jaakkos | Raptors: was that in the end of your dmesg? |
| 15:56.49 | Raptors | jaakkos, yes |
| 15:57.04 | jaakkos | Raptors: ...and after this test, umount /mnt && losetup -d /dev/loop0 && rm /tmp/img |
| 15:57.15 | shantorn | great input folks thank you, this is very helpful |
| 15:57.21 | Raptors | i didn't try that |
| 15:57.24 | Raptors | let me try it |
| 15:57.36 | epsilon | drasko: just use the conf. You still need to run iwlistwlan0, iwconfig wlan0 essid "<AP-NAME>", dhcp3 wlan0 manually |
| 15:57.39 | jaakkos | Raptors: so the question is, does the loopback device get mounted? |
| 15:57.53 | Raptors | jaakkos, should that be run as nonroot? |
| 15:57.55 | jaakkos | no |
| 15:57.57 | jaakkos | as root. |
| 15:58.00 | Slaug | stew: I just never use testing. Stable for servers from cd, unstable just for fun on a netbook/desktop installed with debootstrap, that's how it is for me =) |
| 15:58.38 | jaakkos | btw you might have to do mkfs.ntfs -F -Q /dev/loop0 instead of pure mkfs.ntfs |
| 15:58.44 | drasko | epsilon, but why then I have to run these ? Would not it all be done when I use conf, and restart the network ? |
| 15:59.09 | stew | Slaug: i only asked because he was asking about installing testing and you were suggesting debootstraping sid |
| 15:59.51 | Raptors | jaakkos, losetup: command not found |
| 15:59.54 | Raptors | :\ |
| 16:00.35 | epsilon | drasko: in ideal case it's done auto on reboot |
| 16:00.39 | drasko | epsilon, restarting networking with correct config lines for wlan is giving me : No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 16:00.42 | Slaug | stew: Yes, i know. My bad =) |
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| 16:01.19 | epsilon | drasko: and you still get not-associated on iwconfig wlan0? |
| 16:01.36 | drasko | epsilon, yes |
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| 16:01.46 | epsilon | well I told you 5 min ago why |
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| 16:02.19 | jaakkos | Raptors: uh oh... (now what is the package for losetup...) |
| 16:02.24 | stew | jaakkos: mount |
| 16:02.39 | stew | Raptors: did you run that as root? |
| 16:02.49 | jaakkos | probably not. |
| 16:02.52 | The_Ball | I'm using dovecot, there is a sieve support plugin for dovecot but apt-get doesn't have any packages matching that, is there any way I can find out if the dovecot package contains sieve support? |
| 16:02.58 | Raptors | I have mount and loop-aes-utils installed |
| 16:02.59 | Slaug | jaakos: mount -o loop -t whatever blabla mountpoint |
| 16:03.02 | Raptors | stew, yes |
| 16:03.19 | jaakkos | Raptors: does /sbin/losetup exis? |
| 16:03.20 | jaakkos | t |
| 16:04.13 | jaakkos | Raptors: does dpkg -l | grep "i mount" produce results? |
| 16:04.35 | Raptors | ii mount 2.19.1-2 Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems |
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| 16:04.55 | Raptors | I can mount stuff fine |
| 16:05.08 | Raptors | even the NTFS partition... just not with ntfs-3g |
| 16:05.13 | Raptors | which I need for write |
| 16:05.37 | jaakkos | Raptors: did you check if /sbin/losetup exists? |
| 16:05.41 | Raptors | /sbin/losetup: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
| 16:05.43 | jaakkos | ok |
| 16:05.53 | jaakkos | it looks like sbin is not in path for root |
| 16:05.55 | Slaug | Raptorts: have you tried mount -o rw,users? I don't know if debain devs compile kernel with ntfs write suuport, but worth a try. |
| 16:05.56 | jaakkos | that could be a problem. |
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| 16:06.10 | Raptors | how do I fix that? |
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| 16:06.20 | Slaug | Raptors: have you tried mount -o rw,users? I don't know if debain devs compile kernel with ntfs write suuport, but worth a try. |
| 16:06.26 | jaakkos | Slaug: there are no reliable FOSS NTFS r/w kernel drivers |
| 16:07.06 | Slaug | jaakkos: 2.6.39 kernel has support for ntfs write, but it is flagged experimental. |
| 16:07.14 | jhutchins_lt | jaakkos: Um, WTF are you talking about? |
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| 16:07.29 | jaakkos | Raptors: as root, try export PATH=$PATH:/sbin and then try 'losetup'. if the command is found, then retry ntfs-3g |
| 16:07.32 | stew | Slaug: it was also flagged experimental in 2.4 kernels |
| 16:07.52 | Raptors | sudo losetup works |
| 16:08.02 | stew | uh |
| 16:08.05 | jaakkos | Raptors: you told me you ran it as root before, though? |
| 16:08.10 | Raptors | I did |
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| 16:08.12 | Raptors | :\ |
| 16:08.16 | Twelve__ | Hello! |
| 16:08.26 | jaakkos | Raptors: so what has changed? |
| 16:08.31 | Raptors | nothing |
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| 16:08.44 | Slaug | stew: I know, kernel devs are like that =) |
| 16:08.46 | jaakkos | did you run the export command |
| 16:08.53 | stew | jaakkos: you told him to run foo && bar && baz, perhaps he ran "sudo foo && bar && baz" |
| 16:08.53 | Raptors | no |
| 16:09.06 | Raptors | that could be a prob |
| 16:09.10 | Raptors | let me try it in su |
| 16:09.27 | jaakkos | uh oh this is getting messy :) |
| 16:09.28 | skilz | anyone know how to make the background black for links2? |
| 16:09.34 | skilz | and text green |
| 16:09.39 | jaakkos | did you do what stew guessed? |
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| 16:09.51 | Twelve__ | I just made a debian netinstall here, but I'm missing an automount feature for cds and usb storage devices with pcmanfm. :( |
| 16:09.55 | jaakkos | (because that won't work) |
| 16:10.08 | Raptors | ok its working in su |
| 16:10.13 | Slaug | skilz: You can set the color pallete in links options, if i am not mistaken |
| 16:10.19 | jaakkos | jhutchins_lt: can you point me to one? |
| 16:10.27 | Raptors | it's initializing device with zeroes |
| 16:10.31 | Raptors | not sure what that does... |
| 16:10.37 | Raptors | it's at 40% |
| 16:10.40 | Raptors | 38 |
| 16:10.46 | jaakkos | Raptors: abort and use mkfs.ntfs -F -Q /dev/loop0 |
| 16:11.06 | jaakkos | it will be a lot faster. |
| 16:11.16 | Raptors | Wait wouldn't that delete the drive? |
| 16:11.25 | jaakkos | the 'drive' is at /tmp/img |
| 16:11.34 | axcx | Hello, I am trying to install debian on a laptop but I get this error when it is installing the base system "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." any ideas? I used unetbootin to create the usb stick and iso file debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 16:11.40 | jhutchins_lt | jaakkos: The standard driver packaged with the kernel works just fine for read-only. It used to work for writing on 99% of all NTFS systems, but the problem was that the only indication that you had an incompatible NTFS was total failure. |
| 16:11.41 | Raptors | so it wont do anything to the actual drive? |
| 16:11.50 | jaakkos | Raptors: so as long as you play with /dev/loop0, nothing else should get messed up |
| 16:11.53 | jhutchins_lt | jaakkos: The ntfs-3g drivers are totally reliable. |
| 16:12.12 | Raptors | mkntfs completed successfully. Have a nice day. |
| 16:12.13 | jaakkos | jhutchins_lt: yeah, my company is the maintainer :) |
| 16:12.48 | stew | jhutchins_lt: that's why he is saying to use a userspace driver instead of a kernel space driver |
| 16:12.49 | Slaug | jaakkos: Red Hat? ;) |
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| 16:13.24 | jaakkos | jhutchins_lt: but i asked for FOSS r/w driver :) on some embedded platforms, our kernel driver sometimes works 100 times faster than ntfs-3g |
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| 16:13.37 | Slaug | jaakkos: or Tuxera? |
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| 16:13.52 | jaakkos | Slaug: latter |
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| 16:14.12 | Slaug | jaakkos: I see. |
| 16:14.30 | jaakkos | Raptors: ok, so now try to mount it? |
| 16:14.39 | Raptors | how? |
| 16:14.47 | jaakkos | ntfs-3g /dev/loop0 /mnt |
| 16:14.49 | Raptors | I really don't want to get my data wiped |
| 16:14.55 | jaakkos | you won't. |
| 16:15.11 | jhutchins_lt | jaakkos: Both the kernel driver and the ntfs-3g are foss. |
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| 16:15.30 | jaakkos | jhutchins_lt: but not a reliable R/W kernel driver |
| 16:15.38 | Raptors | jaakkos, nothing |
| 16:15.45 | Raptors | how do I get rid of the loop? |
| 16:15.46 | jaakkos | Raptors: so it apparently succeeded. |
| 16:15.50 | Raptors | what? |
| 16:15.51 | jaakkos | you probably can write files to /mnt now_ |
| 16:16.05 | jaakkos | and 'mount' shows it's mounted? |
| 16:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | jaakkos: Sorry, both the driver packaged in the kernel and the ntfs-3g driver are reliable foss kernel drivers. You're talking through your hat. |
| 16:16.22 | jaakkos | it probably shows as 'fuseblk' |
| 16:16.34 | Raptors | jaakkos, nope |
| 16:16.34 | jaakkos | jhutchins_lt: write support in the kernel driver? |
| 16:16.35 | Raptors | I can't |
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| 16:17.15 | Raptors | how do I get rid of the loop? |
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| 16:17.33 | stew | jhutchins_lt: you are saying that the driver packaged in the kernel is ok for rw, not just readonly? |
| 16:17.43 | Slaug | Raptors: umount it? |
| 16:17.44 | iaj | Hey there.. Is there an easy way to install git > 1.7 on debian? |
| 16:17.47 | jaakkos | Raptors: well if this test fails there is something funny going on |
| 16:17.50 | jhutchins_lt | stew: For most systems, yes. |
| 16:17.54 | iaj | I did an apt-get install git-core but I found myself with 1.5.x |
| 16:17.58 | stew | most? |
| 16:18.03 | jhutchins_lt | ntfs-3g is also a kernel driver. |
| 16:18.11 | stew | jhutchins_lt: no, its not |
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| 16:18.18 | stew | Raptors: losetup -d |
| 16:18.18 | jhutchins_lt | It's not userspace. |
| 16:18.18 | Raptors | how do I safely get rid of the loop without hurting my drive? |
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| 16:18.57 | Raptors | stew, losetup -d /dev/loop0? |
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| 16:19.08 | jaakkos | some of Raptors's reports don't seem to fit together |
| 16:19.12 | jaakkos | Raptors: yes |
| 16:19.32 | jhutchins_lt | You guys are just trying to impress newbs with highly esoteric distinctions that just don't stack up. |
| 16:19.36 | jaakkos | Raptors: you said that ntfs-3g didn't give any output (it probably worked), but still, mount doesn't show it mounted? |
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| 16:20.00 | Raptors | yes |
| 16:20.07 | stew | jhutchins_lt: "Filesystem in Userspace (FUSE) is a simple interface for userspace programs to export a virtual filesystem to the Linux kernel" you are saying this isn't actually userspace? |
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| 16:20.37 | Raptors | jhutchins, don't call me a newb :( |
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| 16:20.49 | Raptors | It'll try removing the floppy drive |
| 16:20.53 | Raptors | what harm could it do |
| 16:20.55 | jhutchins_lt | fuse is userspace. 3g is not. You can mount -t ntfs-3g as root and it's a kernel-level mount. |
| 16:21.16 | anotherson | w |
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| 16:21.37 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: Are you impressed by the depth and distinction of their knowledge? |
| 16:21.38 | Slaug | fuse is actually a really bad choice. Besides the speed issues, it way not be as stable as in-kernel driver or ntfs-3g. |
| 16:21.48 | Slaug | may* |
| 16:21.51 | koollman | jhutchins_lt: hmm... I don't think so. ntfs-3g *is* fuse-based |
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| 16:22.11 | jhutchins_lt | koollman: It's not. |
| 16:22.18 | simonlnu | apt-cache show ntfs-3g: Description: read/write NTFS driver for FUSE |
| 16:22.29 | simonlnu | ffs, at least keep it straight |
| 16:23.26 | jhutchins_lt | simonlnu: So why does it work without fuse? |
| 16:23.27 | Raptors | Well that's lame, I removed floppy drives and now it's not complaning about them in dmesg when I tried to mount it... but I'm still getting that error |
| 16:23.41 | Slaug | jaakkos: Can i ask you a question? Does Tuxera's exFAT driver supports acl? |
| 16:23.51 | jaakkos | jhutchins_lt: ntfs-3g comes with a fuse_lite library |
| 16:23.53 | koollman | jhutchins_lt: what makes you think it does not use fuse ? mount will look for a mount.ntfs-3g command. this program will use the fuse interface |
| 16:24.01 | jhutchins_lt | It's been around since before fuse. |
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| 16:25.11 | daemonkeeper | It was not. Maybe you are confusing it with the old kernel NTFS driver |
| 16:25.28 | daemonkeeper | Or the ntfs.sys hack that had been around some time ago |
| 16:25.29 | anotherson | anyone here feel up to troubleshooting a debconf issue? |
| 16:26.04 | Raptors | I give up. I guess I'll have to live without ntfs |
| 16:26.29 | simonlnu | you could use the in-kernel one. doesn't it support write now? |
| 16:26.40 | simonlnu | (not same size, etc.) |
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| 16:26.56 | jhutchins_lt | simonlnu: I believe write is commonly disabled. |
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| 16:27.28 | Raptors | Why would they disable it? |
| 16:27.35 | simonlnu | yeh, i think the debian kernels are conf'd that way |
| 16:27.48 | jaakkos | Slaug: sorry, NDA'd :( |
| 16:27.58 | Slaug | jaakkos: Oh, ok. |
| 16:28.20 | daemonkeeper | Raptors: Because the kernel driver was/is buggy and you risk to damage your file system. |
| 16:28.43 | Raptors | ugh |
| 16:28.50 | daemonkeeper | I'm perhaps not up to date with recent development, but I think the kernel driver is deprecated in favor to ntfs-3g as of today. |
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| 16:29.03 | jaakkos | what Raptors reported doesn't add up though. there is something funny in his system. |
| 16:29.32 | simonlnu | i cam into this in the middle, so i'll reserve comment |
| 16:30.08 | daemonkeeper | http://www.tuxera.com/open-source/release-ntfs-3g-ntfsprogs-2011-4-12/ - yep, looks like ntfsprogs and ntfs-3g has been merged. |
| 16:30.33 | simonlnu | aah |
| 16:30.36 | Slaug | daemonkeeper: so basically ntfs-3g is in-kernel now? |
| 16:30.42 | simonlnu | http://xrl.us/bkzwvk |
| 16:30.44 | iaj | whats the best way to go from lenny->squeeze? |
| 16:30.46 | Raptors | Can you mount with write with progs? |
| 16:30.57 | stew | iaj: follow chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 16:30.57 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: For a very small number of NTFS variants within the Microsoft spec, writing to an NTFS system with the standard kernel driver will either render the written file unreadable or render the NTFS unreadable. |
| 16:31.31 | Raptors | Can you mount with write with progs? |
| 16:31.32 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: Unfortunately, there's no way to tell if you have one of the bad variants. |
| 16:31.36 | daemonkeeper | Slaug: No, the kernel driver is/will probably by dropped and its suggested replacement is the ntfs-3g driver. Userspace utilities remain the same. However I'm not using NTFS, so ... |
| 16:31.54 | jaakkos | Raptors: progs are not used for mounting. |
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| 16:32.06 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: The kernel dev's didn't like the thought of people saying "linux destroyed my data", so they made a big fat hairy deal about it. |
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| 16:32.37 | Slaug | daemonkeeper: Got it, thanks. |
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| 16:32.51 | jhutchins_lt | I've used both the standard kernel driver and the ntfs-3g driver at kernel-level to successfully write to NTFS systems since the late 90's. |
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| 16:33.21 | Raptors | how do you mount with rw with kernel modules? |
| 16:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: I don't know what's required in Debian, as I don't currently have an NTFS system that I need to use. |
| 16:33.58 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: I expect it requires recompiling the module. |
| 16:34.12 | Raptors | but how do you actually mount it? |
| 16:34.19 | Raptors | isn't there like a standard command? |
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| 16:34.27 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: Same way you mound anything else. mount -t ntfs |
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| 16:34.46 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: Why can't you just use ntfs-3g? |
| 16:34.54 | Raptors | error 21 |
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| 16:35.38 | jaakkos | ...and according to Raptors, no error if mounted using loopback, but mount doesn't show the mount, and he cannot write /mnt. |
| 16:36.02 | jaakkos | Raptors: anything new and interesting in dmesg btw? |
| 16:36.19 | jaakkos | i'm a bit suspicious of this :) |
| 16:36.30 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: Does the file system mount correctly under Windows? What exact version of Windows created it? |
| 16:36.41 | jhutchins_lt | (I have no idea what error 21 means, nor does google) |
| 16:36.43 | Raptors | yes |
| 16:36.46 | Slaug | jhutchins_lt: Kernel dev's are right, you know...Filesystem crash is not a funny thing ;) |
| 16:37.03 | Raptors | It's saying all my ntfs partitions are not clean |
| 16:37.08 | Raptors | this is bull |
| 16:37.09 | jhutchins_lt | Slaug: Which is why we make backups, because crashes happen. |
| 16:37.26 | Slaug | jhutchins_lt: True. |
| 16:37.26 | Raptors | (disk utility -> check filesystem |
| 16:37.29 | Raptors | ) |
| 16:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: It's far more likely that they are not clean than that software used by thousands of people just doesn't work. |
| 16:37.42 | jaakkos | 18:45:20 < jelly> Raptors, epsilon: 21 Unclassified FUSE error. (man ntfs-3g.probe) |
| 16:38.19 | Raptors | um |
| 16:38.45 | jhutchins_lt | Raptors: I'm not saying it's necessarily true, but the majority of problems that I've seen here with people mounting ntfs systems were with the ntfs partition, not the software. |
| 16:39.14 | Raptors | There is no way they are ALL unclean |
| 16:39.26 | Raptors | even the new loop thing failed to mount |
| 16:39.27 | jhutchins_lt | Like I said, thousands of people using it for something more than ten years, it's not just a sofware problem. |
| 16:39.38 | Slaug | Ntfs-3g is stable as hell, that cannot be the problem. |
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| 16:40.09 | jhutchins_lt | How do you mount a physical device via loopback? |
| 16:40.19 | stew | has ntfs-3g really been around for 10 years? |
| 16:40.28 | jaakkos | jhutchins_lt: i instructed him through the losetup test ten minutes ago or so. |
| 16:40.33 | Raptors | bash@debian:~$ sudo ntfs-3g.probe -w /dev/sdd1 |
| 16:40.33 | Raptors | bash@debian:~$ sudo ntfs-3g.probe -r /dev/sdd1 |
| 16:40.36 | Raptors | no output |
| 16:40.53 | Raptors | something is whack |
| 16:40.56 | jhutchins_lt | Are these virtual disks for a VM? |
| 16:41.04 | Raptors | no |
| 16:41.08 | Slaug | First stable release are 1.0, 21 february 2007, so no. |
| 16:41.35 | jhutchins_lt | Slaug: Of which? I know I used ntfs-3g on knoppix ~2004. |
| 16:42.25 | jaakkos | Raptors: that is expected. |
| 16:42.28 | stew | it was first uploaded to debian less than 5 years ago |
| 16:42.38 | Slaug | jhutchins_lt: Ntfs-3g. I was talking about stable. Unstable release have been here long enough... |
| 16:42.41 | jaakkos | Raptors: you should get an error if there is one, and "echo $?" would not print 0. |
| 16:43.06 | Raptors | echo $ |
| 16:43.06 | Raptors | $ |
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| 16:44.38 | Raptors | I guess everyone ran out of suggestions... |
| 16:44.50 | Raptors | I should just reformat or swtich distros or something |
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| 16:45.34 | simonlnu | echo $? not $ |
| 16:45.52 | Bauer | How do I apply on the fly memory modification to a VM running Debian, like these distributions here? http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1012764 |
| 16:46.01 | jaakkos | anyway he should've seen the error in the terminal if there was one |
| 16:46.02 | Raptors | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.03 | Raptors | 0 |
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| 16:46.26 | stew | Raptors: that's not what we want anymore though, becuase your running "echo $" reset $? to 0 |
| 16:46.27 | Bauer | I have a debian machine to which I modified the amount of RAM, but the guest (debian) doesnt see the changes yet |
| 16:46.29 | simonlnu | too late now... |
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| 16:46.42 | stew | Raptors: it only works to check the result of the previous command |
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| 16:47.24 | Raptors | o... |
| 16:47.26 | Raptors | 1 sec |
| 16:47.26 | peterrooney | Raptors: the value of $? possibly changes after every command run. |
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| 16:47.43 | Raptors | sudo ntfs-3g.probe -r /dev/sdd1 |
| 16:47.43 | Raptors | bash@debian:~$ echo $? |
| 16:47.43 | Raptors | 0 |
| 16:47.44 | stew | (not that echo is a command, but it does change $?) |
| 16:48.09 | Raptors | same thing for -w |
| 16:48.22 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 16:48.29 | jaakkos | Raptors: this is ok, time to look elsewhere |
| 16:48.36 | Raptors | lol |
| 16:48.53 | jaakkos | but where, hmm |
| 16:49.39 | Raptors | fat drives work (IDK if that mean anything, probably not...) |
| 16:49.56 | jaakkos | Raptors: one option could be to try another fuse driver, perhaps with the loopback device again. |
| 16:50.05 | jaakkos | to tell if it is a fuse problem. |
| 16:50.10 | Raptors | which one? |
| 16:50.21 | jaakkos | any. eg. encfs |
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| 16:51.59 | Raptors | The directory "/dev/sdd1/" does not exist. Should it be created? (y,n) n |
| 16:52.00 | Raptors | Directory not created. |
| 16:52.00 | Raptors | 12:51:31 (main.cpp:416) Unable to locate root directory, aborting. |
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| 16:52.01 | Raptors | O_o |
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| 16:52.31 | Raptors | I guess I should read man to figure out how to mount |
| 16:52.33 | simonlnu | uh |
| 16:52.42 | stew | Raptors: what command gave you that output? |
| 16:52.51 | Raptors | sudo encfs /dev/sdd1 /mnt |
| 16:52.53 | jaakkos | Raptors: whow, stop that!! |
| 16:53.02 | Raptors | I clicked no |
| 16:53.06 | jaakkos | Raptors: careful. you don't want to play with /dev/sdd1. |
| 16:53.07 | Raptors | well chose no |
| 16:53.14 | Raptors | kk |
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| 16:53.19 | jaakkos | Raptors: encfs doesn't have anything to do with ntfs. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FolderEncryption |
| 16:53.49 | jaakkos | Raptors: the point is to get an answer to this question: does _any_ fuse driver work? |
| 16:54.00 | Raptors | o....... |
| 16:54.03 | Raptors | orz |
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| 16:54.17 | Raptors | hopefully it didn't blow up anything |
| 16:54.30 | jaakkos | Raptors: i think it's ok |
| 16:54.31 | Justin | Raptors: how have you actually tried to mount this partition of yours? |
| 16:54.42 | wsandin | is there any way i can "reset" my Debian installation? so I just get the standard packages again? my package database is messed up and it is in a datacenter where i cant reinstall it. please help :) |
| 16:54.46 | Raptors | without ntfs-3g |
| 16:54.48 | Raptors | it works |
| 16:54.49 | Raptors | but no write |
| 16:55.04 | Justin | and what happens when you mount it using ntfs-3g? |
| 16:55.43 | Raptors | it gives error 21 if you try to mount from nautilus or disk utility but no error in terminal |
| 16:55.45 | Raptors | just doesn't run |
| 16:55.53 | Justin | Raptors: what command did you run? |
| 16:56.24 | Raptors | the one you posted and /dev/sdd1 /media/WD ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_CA.utf8 0 0 |
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| 16:56.37 | mrfoobar | where are crontab -e's stored? |
| 16:56.40 | Justin | I did not post any commands, and that is not a command, it is an entry for /etc/fstab |
| 16:56.52 | Justin | mrfoobar: /var/spool/cron/ |
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| 16:57.33 | Raptors | not you, the other guy |
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| 16:57.55 | Justin | Raptors: what command did you run to try to mount the filesystem as ntfs-3g. what did it output |
| 16:58.37 | Raptors | with that entry in fstab and doing mount /dev/sdd1 no output |
| 16:58.57 | Justin | mount does not output anything in the event of a successful operation |
| 16:59.04 | Justin | is your filesystem actually mounted? |
| 16:59.13 | Raptors | and sudo ntfs-3g /dev/loop0 /mnt |
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| 16:59.30 | wsandin | is there any way i can "reset" my Debian installation? so I just get the standard packages again? my package database is messed up and it is in a datacenter where i cant reinstall it. please help :) |
| 16:59.31 | Raptors | Justin, no |
| 16:59.31 | Justin | /dev/loop0? why would you do that |
| 16:59.39 | Justin | Raptors: what does the 'mount' command output? |
| 16:59.47 | Raptors | by itself? |
| 16:59.52 | Justin | yes |
| 16:59.58 | Raptors | the man |
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| 17:00.04 | Justin | what? |
| 17:00.12 | Raptors | err |
| 17:00.18 | Raptors | the stuff that are mounted |
| 17:00.22 | Justin | and what would that be? |
| 17:00.27 | abrotman | maybe show him in a pastebin ? |
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| 17:00.53 | Raptors | http://pastebin.com/wqWMLzTD |
| 17:01.20 | Justin | Raptors: and what do you have in /etc/fstab? |
| 17:02.08 | Raptors | http://pastebin.com/f8J9VVHw |
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| 17:02.33 | Raptors | sdd1 (the bottom) wasn't # out |
| 17:02.37 | skilz | how can I tell if someones portscanning me or trying to hack me? |
| 17:02.38 | Raptors | but it wasn't working... |
| 17:02.56 | skilz | is there some console program I can run that warns me when im scanned ect |
| 17:03.01 | Justin | Raptors: pastebin fdisk -l /dev/sdd |
| 17:03.32 | jaakkos | Justin: it might be worth reading the discussion back 20-30 minutes |
| 17:03.34 | Raptors | Justin, should I uncomment it out? |
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| 17:03.36 | Raptors | first? |
| 17:03.42 | jaakkos | Justin: it is truely an NTFS partition. |
| 17:03.53 | Justin | Raptors: no |
| 17:04.03 | Justin | I prefer not to assume things |
| 17:04.29 | Raptors | /dev/sdd1 63 1953503999 976751968+ 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 17:04.38 | stew | the partition type doesn't matter |
| 17:04.49 | stew | Justin: but ntfs-3g.probe believes that this thing is ok |
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| 17:05.07 | Justin | Raptors: ok, so remove the # from fstab and run mount /media/WD |
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| 17:05.32 | jaakkos | 18:52:36 < Raptors> 0000000: eb52 904e 5446 5320 2020 2000 0208 0000 .R.NTFS ..... |
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| 17:06.17 | Raptors | Justin, no output and it doesn'tmount |
| 17:06.19 | jhutchins_lt | skilz: Research IDS = Intrusion Detection Systems. |
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| 17:07.07 | Python | hi lolmatic |
| 17:07.10 | Justin | Raptors: what does dmesg say? |
| 17:07.20 | lolmatic | ? |
| 17:07.36 | Python | wsandin: format all and reinstall with netinst |
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| 17:08.10 | Raptors | Justin, nothing |
| 17:09.01 | Justin | Raptors: what about if you do sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdd1 /media/WD ? |
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| 17:12.23 | Raptors | Justin, the same thing |
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| 17:13.12 | Justin | Raptors: sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdd1 /media/WD -o debug |
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| 17:15.33 | Guest62397 | What is the best Twitter client for Debian? I tried gwibber but it doesn't seem to connect to Twitter, only identi.ca. |
| 17:16.03 | dualcore | hi all. i did finally get wine 1.3.24 installed and running FL Studio 9.0.3 in squeeze. it runs smooth with no major issues. |
| 17:16.06 | epsilon | tweetdeck, if you can live with adobe air |
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| 17:17.36 | Guest62397 | Didn't Adobe discontinue development of Air for Linux? |
| 17:17.52 | Python | dualcore: how did you got it ? |
| 17:17.59 | Python | I want to |
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| 17:18.53 | Guest62397 | Thanks for the advice. |
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| 17:19.57 | dualcore | Python: i had to install the current version of wine and its dependencies and then tried various versions of fl studio but 9.0.3 is the one that works almost perfect for me. i have debian 6.0.1 |
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| 17:22.26 | Python | dualcore: how did you install wine ? |
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| 17:24.19 | dualcore | Python: I downloaded the i386 packages from here: http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ and installed them individually and then installed the dependencies as needed |
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| 17:25.16 | dualcore | Python: http://www.winehq.org/download/debian |
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| 17:26.28 | Python | dualcore: could you tell me the dependencies please? |
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| 17:28.49 | jelly-home | there's no need for him to tell you, when you try installing or download the packages, you can figure them out with dpkg |
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| 17:28.54 | xok_ | hello all.. |
| 17:29.07 | xok_ | I am unable to find right package... |
| 17:29.26 | xok_ | can you guys point me which package contains linux/slab.h header file?... |
| 17:29.34 | stew | xok_: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:29.41 | stew | xok_: err /msg dselect apt-file |
| 17:29.58 | themill | dpkg: slap stew |
| 17:29.58 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across stew's face |
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| 17:30.13 | eldowan | !! dpkg is alive? |
| 17:30.14 | dpkg | eldowan: what are you talking about? |
| 17:30.26 | dselect | sulks |
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| 17:30.55 | Python | ohh i got it thank you dualcore |
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| 17:31.43 | xok_ | wow, I didn't know about apt-file.. :-D |
| 17:31.49 | xok_ | it's a great tool... |
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| 17:32.45 | dualcore | Python: i had to guess and check a little bit with the order to install the packages and then i hunted down the dependencies as needed when it asked for them. |
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| 17:33.48 | stew | dualcore: why not use "apt-get -f install" to hunt them down for you? |
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| 17:34.49 | Python | apt-get -f ? |
| 17:34.51 | Python | what is it |
| 17:35.04 | project2501a | hey guys. question: how do i scp through an ssh bastion host? |
| 17:35.08 | themill | Python: "man apt-get" is surprisingly useful. |
| 17:35.21 | dualcore | stew: idk cause i was installing the unstable packages individually as .deb files. the version i was installing wasn't available with apt |
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| 17:35.23 | DammitJim | project2501a, bastion? |
| 17:35.30 | asarch | scp somefile someuser@somehost:/some/path |
| 17:35.43 | stew | dualcore: were the dependencies available via apt-get? |
| 17:35.49 | DammitJim | asarch, +1 |
| 17:35.53 | zamba | where can i find debian 5 isos? |
| 17:35.56 | DammitJim | add -r if you are doing a directory |
| 17:36.01 | dualcore | no the versions required were unstable as well |
| 17:36.02 | zamba | nowhere to be found in any of the mirrors |
| 17:36.10 | oobe | project2501a, wouldnt the syntax be the same? |
| 17:36.11 | zamba | this is stupid |
| 17:36.14 | themill | dpkg: tell zamba about install lenny |
| 17:36.18 | dualcore | for some anyway |
| 17:36.18 | oobe | I dont really know what a bastion host is |
| 17:36.26 | themill | zamba: install media aren't on the regular mirrors |
| 17:36.34 | themill | project2501a: ProxyCommand |
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| 17:37.46 | dualcore | stew: i could have added the unstable sources to my repos so that they were available with apt right? i was having trouble trying to do it that way |
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| 17:39.49 | stew | dualcore: that would not be recommended. perhaps I was misunderstanding what you were doing |
| 17:40.07 | xok_ | guys, I am unable to compile kernel module for pvfs2... |
| 17:40.23 | xok_ | anyone has any kind of experience building pvfs2 on Debian?.. |
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| 17:44.12 | project2501a | oobe: no, it's not. |
| 17:44.18 | project2501a | DammitJim: that does not work |
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| 17:46.31 | skilz | how do I update my php.ini file? |
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| 17:47.29 | stew | skilz: with an editor? what do you mean? |
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| 17:47.47 | stew | skilz: or perhaps by dropping a file into /etc/php5/conf.d depending on what you are doing |
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| 17:48.41 | Raptors | <Justin> Raptors: sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdd1 /media/WD -o debug |
| 17:48.43 | Raptors | no output |
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| 17:49.33 | wsandin | is there something I can do to get a clean installation? |
| 17:49.36 | wsandin | of Debian |
| 17:49.42 | wsandin | like reset the package database to normal? |
| 17:49.58 | jquerier | Hello i have a vm server with debian i just have installed xorg and xfce via ssh(putty) for a XFCE GUI. Can i use putty to see the GUI or can i? |
| 17:49.59 | Justin | wsandin: uninstall the things you don't want |
| 17:50.13 | Justin | jquerier: no |
| 17:50.24 | jquerier | i have read about XDMCP |
| 17:50.32 | jquerier | in putty but cant find |
| 17:50.33 | Justin | jquerier: forget xdmcp |
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| 17:50.43 | jquerier | vnc? |
| 17:50.46 | Justin | vnc will work |
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| 17:51.03 | jquerier | is that a good solution or is there a better? |
| 17:51.18 | wontoner | Can someone help me change the install script directory of apt-get? My /tmp file is noexec and I cannot change it on this virtual server |
| 17:51.28 | wontoner | If I could get apt-get to place its install scripts somewhere else, that would be great |
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| 17:51.39 | eldowan | ln -s ? |
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| 17:51.46 | mrfoobar | how do i copy mysql environment running in Lenny to a machine running Squeeze? |
| 17:51.46 | Justin | jquerier: that's probably your best bet. you'll want to tunnel it over ssh though for security |
| 17:51.51 | Justin | Raptors: strange |
| 17:51.57 | mrfoobar | like tables and users |
| 17:51.57 | valdyn | wontoner: why the hell cant you change noexec? |
| 17:52.14 | kes | is a proper way exist to load files from /etc/profile.d? |
| 17:52.20 | Justin | mrfoobar: restore your backups on the new server |
| 17:52.53 | mrfoobar | Justin: can you make such backups with phpmyadmin? |
| 17:52.59 | Justin | mrfoobar: yes |
| 17:53.04 | Justin | mrfoobar: why do you not already have backups? |
| 17:53.19 | mrfoobar | i only have the filesystem of the lenny |
| 17:53.28 | Raptors | maybe fuse is broken |
| 17:53.29 | wontoner | valdyn: I get permission denied when trying to remount it |
| 17:53.39 | Raptors | I should just compile my own kernel |
| 17:53.47 | Justin | Raptors: fuse works out of the box. did you do anything to break it? |
| 17:53.55 | wsandin | there must be something else I can do |
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| 17:53.56 | Raptors | no |
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| 17:55.11 | valdyn | wontoner: why are you trying to install debian packages on that system that is obviously not debian? |
| 17:55.31 | valdyn | wontoner: ..and how are you expecting those packages to work reliably? |
| 17:55.33 | wontoner | valdyn: Not sure what you mean by that. |
| 17:55.37 | wontoner | it's debian |
| 17:55.50 | dddbmt_ | Hey guys. How should I create a user that I want to use for connecting through ssh? - So that I don't use root for connection. |
| 17:55.50 | wontoner | 6.0.2 |
| 17:56.07 | dddbmt_ | How should the user be configured? |
| 17:56.09 | themill | !tmp noexec |
| 17:56.10 | dpkg | dpkg doesn't like you mounting /tmp noexec, so you need to: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec |
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| 17:56.37 | valdyn | he cant remount it... |
| 17:57.19 | themill | wontoner: are you sure tmp is on a separate partition? |
| 17:57.50 | wontoner | from mount .. none on /tmp type tmpfs (size=128m,mode=1777,nosuid,noexec,nodev) .. |
| 17:58.03 | stew | wontoner: "man dpkg" claims that it will use the TMPDIR env variable if it exists |
| 17:58.05 | valdyn | and such a small tmp |
| 17:58.46 | stew | i'm not sure if that is enough though |
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| 17:59.44 | valdyn | grep -R /tmp /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | wc -l => 533 |
| 18:00.05 | valdyn | hmm |
| 18:00.07 | valdyn | wrong grep |
| 18:00.11 | valdyn | but its still plenty |
| 18:00.13 | stew | right |
| 18:00.40 | valdyn | grep -R " /tmp" /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | wc -l => 397 here |
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| 18:01.39 | valdyn | tempfile=$(mktemp -p /tmp foo.XXXXXXXX) |
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| 18:02.37 | valdyn | stew: what needs to be executable though? |
| 18:02.37 | stew | valdyn: not those. the postinst itself |
| 18:02.51 | stew | its going to extract the control.tar.gz to TMPDIR |
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| 18:03.25 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:05.16 | wontoner | stew: Thank you, that seems to have worked |
| 18:06.43 | jquerier | iam getting a error if i want to startx http://pastebin.com/JfuaTSet |
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| 18:10.12 | dddbmt_ | Hi guys, I've just created a user that I want to use for ssh connection. But I forgot to create a home-dir for the new user - and then I tried to login. I connected well, but got redirected to some other directory than my homedir. |
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| 18:10.35 | dddbmt_ | Now I can't use any commands when logged in as that user. Everything I type is just treated as pure text. |
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| 18:11.01 | Justin | dddbmt_: 'created a user' how? |
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| 18:11.15 | bps | maybe try 'ssh user@server sh' or something |
| 18:11.24 | dddbmt_ | Justin: useradd |
| 18:11.52 | dddbmt_ | ( Well at least I think(!) I get connected OK.) |
| 18:12.26 | dddbmt_ | I do get connected. Same issue happens if I connect with root, and the "su sshu" |
| 18:12.30 | dddbmt_ | then* |
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| 18:12.59 | epsilon | deluser & adduser, or add /home manually, set permission/owner and add home in etc/passwd... |
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| 18:13.36 | dddbmt_ | epsilon. should I use adduser over useradd? |
| 18:13.58 | drasko | iwconfig eth1 essid "my_network" has no effect - essid remains like this ESSID:"" |
| 18:14.12 | bps | yes drasko |
| 18:14.16 | bps | er dddbmt_ |
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| 18:15.05 | dddbmt_ | bps, okay. Should I delete the current one with deluser? |
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| 18:17.12 | drasko | bps, why is this ? How can I give it AP I want |
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| 18:18.57 | dddbmt_ | Would someone take a look at this error I get when trying to delete a user. http://pastebin.com/vW4xpSiK |
| 18:19.08 | wontoner | Would someone mind taking a look at this error message? http://pastebin.com/CurzreyJ - It appears I am being preventing from completing an 'apt-get upgrade' call because of this ncurses package |
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| 18:19.43 | wontoner | I read something that says I should try to manually upgrade my dpkg to a newer version, because the new version deals with packages requiring breaks better? |
| 18:19.59 | bps | you are logged in as the user you are trying to delete |
| 18:20.00 | syn4pse | <dddbmt_> your locales are not setup properly |
| 18:20.27 | valdyn | judd: versions ncurses-base |
| 18:20.29 | syn4pse | sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:20.29 | judd | Package ncurses-base on i386 -- lenny: 5.7+20081213-1; squeeze: 5.7+20100313-5; sid: 5.9-1; wheezy: 5.9-1 |
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| 18:21.36 | stew | dddbmt_: you want to kill the users's processes before deleting the user |
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| 18:21.45 | dddbmt_ | stew, how to do that? |
| 18:22.01 | valdyn | wontoner: manually? isnt your system debian? dpkg should update automagically when you do apt-get upgrade |
| 18:22.12 | peterrooney | dddbmt_: killall -u <username> |
| 18:22.14 | dddbmt_ | syn4pse, what exactly are locales? |
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| 18:22.21 | wontoner | valdyn: it is indeed debian. I am not sure why my automagical action has failed |
| 18:22.48 | peterrooney | ,versions ncurses-base |
| 18:22.48 | judd | Package ncurses-base on i386 -- lenny: 5.7+20081213-1; squeeze: 5.7+20100313-5; sid: 5.9-1; wheezy: 5.9-1 |
| 18:22.54 | dddbmt_ | peterrooney, killall not found... |
| 18:22.57 | wontoner | valdyn: I fear the gods have forsaken me, and I must travel to the oracle to seek advice.. but first I'm just going to search the internet and ask around IRC |
| 18:23.08 | valdyn | wontoner: paste "apt-cache policy dpkg" on pastebin |
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| 18:23.24 | gisli | hi guys. I'm thinking of switching from Ubuntu to Debian soon mainly because I don't like the way Ubuntu is headed. I've never tried Debian except for a virtual machine for a couple of days a few months ago so I have a question. Does Debian give you kernel updates or is Squeezy just "shipped" with a kernel which won't be updated "automatically"? |
| 18:23.29 | stew | wontoner: what version of dpkg is instlaled? |
| 18:23.42 | dddbmt_ | peterrooney, can I install "killall"? |
| 18:23.47 | drasko | iwconfig eth1 essid "my_network" has no effect - essid remains like this ESSID:"". How to change it ? |
| 18:23.50 | peterrooney | dddbmt_: killall not found, as root? |
| 18:23.51 | wontoner | dpkg installed: 1.13.26 |
| 18:23.51 | dpkg | wontoner: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:23.55 | gisli | killall is a terminal command dddbmt |
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| 18:24.02 | valdyn | judd: versions dpkg |
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| 18:24.02 | judd | Package dpkg on i386 -- lenny: 1.14.31; lenny-security: 1.14.31; squeeze: 1.15.8.11; sid: 1.16.0.3; wheezy: 1.16.0.3 |
| 18:24.14 | valdyn | wontoner: so not lenny |
| 18:24.17 | Justin | 1.3.26 is etch |
| 18:24.21 | dddbmt_ | peterrooney, bash: killall: command not found - as root yes. |
| 18:24.36 | stew | gisli: there will be security updates, but it will be for the same major version of the kernel you already have |
| 18:24.38 | valdyn | wontoner: who told you that that system was debian 6.x? |
| 18:24.39 | wontoner | Here is the output of "apt-cache policy dpkg" http://pastebin.com/j9kXdGn5 |
| 18:24.45 | wsandin | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libapache2-mod-php5 : Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.3-7+squeeze1) but 5.3.3-7+squeeze3 is to be installed |
| 18:24.50 | wsandin | what does this mean? |
| 18:25.00 | wontoner | valdyn: /etc/debian_version did |
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| 18:25.21 | peterrooney | dddbmt_: apt-get install psmisc |
| 18:25.26 | vikapi | gisli, "I don't like the way Ubuntu is headed", y is tat?? |
| 18:25.38 | stew | wontoner: you are using a machine which unfortunately had "stable" in sources.list, so when 2 new releases of "stable" have come out, nobody did a proper upgrade from one to the other to the other |
| 18:25.39 | gisli | stew: thanks for the answer. Damn I was hoping it would keep with the stable kernel updates. |
| 18:25.44 | valdyn | wontoner: pretty obvious that whoever set up that machine has no idea what hes doing |
| 18:25.47 | stew | wontoner: so now you are mixing packages from 2 to 3 releases |
| 18:26.05 | Justin | wsandin: sounds like your sources.list is broken |
| 18:26.08 | stew | gisli: we offer newer kernel versions in backports: /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 18:26.25 | gisli | vikapi: their stand on the UI is not something I like. Also I want a system that won't be outdated every six months |
| 18:26.25 | stew | wontoner: the best thing to do is to upgrade from etch to lenny then from lenny to squeeze |
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| 18:26.51 | wontoner | stew: Interesting. Do you think you could point me at some resources for doing so? |
| 18:27.07 | stew | wontoner: /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 18:27.23 | stew | wontoner: or you can look at the lenny release notes and follow chapter 4, then do the same for the squeeze release notes |
| 18:27.31 | dddbmt_ | peterrooney, heres what I got when I installed psmisc: http://pastebin.com/gnxqsdgn |
| 18:27.56 | Justin | dddbmt_: what did you do to your system to break it like that? |
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| 18:28.14 | wontoner | stew: How can you tell that I've got the mixed packages? |
| 18:28.42 | dddbmt_ | Justin. I logged in as root, created a user - without a home-dir. The I logged out as root, and in again as the new user.... boom! |
| 18:28.50 | stew | wontoner: because you have an ancient version of dpkg, and you are trying to install current versions of packages. the package format has changed enough that your old dpkg doesn't know what to do with them |
| 18:29.00 | stew | wontoner: and this is exactly why we recommend never using "stable" in sourceds.list |
| 18:29.10 | dddbmt_ | Justin, it's a virtual server. |
| 18:29.12 | wontoner | stew: Makes sense |
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| 18:29.47 | peterrooney | dddbmt_: the errors you are getting are related to locale settings, not package installation directly killall should be available. |
| 18:29.47 | wontoner | I'm typically running Ubuntu, still a lot to learn about Debian apparently |
| 18:29.58 | stew | dddbmt_: installing psmisc was successful ; those are all warnings |
| 18:30.00 | project2501a | themill: reading the ssh book :) |
| 18:30.06 | peterrooney | wontoner: welcome to a more orderly world. |
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| 18:30.21 | wontoner | peterrooney: Thanks! |
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| 18:30.33 | wontoner | stew: I see where stable is indeed being used in sources.list |
| 18:30.38 | stew | dddbmt_: though you might get rid of those warnings with "aptitude install locales apt-listchanges_" and "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and make sure the "en_DK.UTF-8" is selected |
| 18:31.02 | gisli | stew: thanks. I will give them a shout when I get around to setting up squeezy. Any word on when Debian 7 will come out? |
| 18:31.03 | stew | dddbmt_: if you actually want to use apt-listchanges, make that "apt-listchanges" instead of "apt-listchanges_" |
| 18:31.30 | stew | gisli: we are planning to freeze for the next release in june 2012, so hopefully before 2013, but perhaps not |
| 18:32.14 | dddbmt_ | stew, oh - just did it with underscore in the end. |
| 18:32.47 | drasko | iwconfig eth1 essid "my_network" has no effect - essid remains like this ESSID:"". How to change it ? |
| 18:32.51 | gisli | stew: nice to know. Thanks again |
| 18:33.01 | stew | dddbmt_: that purges the package, which i believ would make it stop complaining that it is not installed. if you want to use apt-listchanges, you can reinstall it |
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| 18:33.54 | peterrooney | dselect: wir, siyh |
| 18:34.29 | dddbmt_ | stew, all I know is that my problems seems to have disappeared after I reconfigured locales. Should I do anything more then? |
| 18:34.33 | project2501a | can we get started on a commonly-used filesystem which is used commonly by windows and linux and is not ntfs or fat16/32 ? |
| 18:34.50 | project2501a | so we can actually transfer these 6gb files on usb? |
| 18:34.53 | cassio | hi. is there a way to get the list of packages installed by the user? excluding the ones installed by default? dpkg --get-selections returns all the installed packages |
| 18:34.57 | stew | dddbmt_: no, that's fine |
| 18:35.13 | dddbmt_ | stew - Thanks a lot for your time then! |
| 18:35.18 | dddbmt_ | to peterrooney as well. |
| 18:35.19 | peterrooney | dddbmt_: I always run dpkg-reconfigure debconf after an install, and set priority to 'low' because I'm a bit of a control freak. |
| 18:35.44 | stew | cassio: aptitude search '~i!~M' ; you might want to look at /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 18:35.45 | dddbmt_ | peterrooney - I don't even know what that would do. |
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| 18:37.02 | cassio | stew, thanks |
| 18:37.03 | peterrooney | dddbmt_: every package may come with sets of questions to be asked when installing - e.g. some questions cannot have reasonable defaults. debconf controls what questions are asked when installing. |
| 18:37.59 | wontoner | stew: So what is the alternative to using stable in sources.list? |
| 18:38.15 | dddbmt_ | peterrooney, I see - thanks for explaining! |
| 18:38.19 | wontoner | stew: Do you just stick to one version of Debian until you're ready to upgrade to the next? |
| 18:38.30 | stew | wontoner: using a codname instaead like "etch" or "lenny" or "squeeze". the current stable is "squeeze". it appears that yours was installed when stable was "etch" |
| 18:38.44 | dddbmt_ | But now that I have succesfully created the user intented for ssh connections. Is there a way to only let that user connect through ssh - and not root? |
| 18:39.17 | stew | wontoner: yes |
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| 18:39.51 | stew | dddbmt_: what do you mean "and not root"? |
| 18:39.55 | Python | help for mounting usb http://pastebin.com/9L4zd5uH |
| 18:40.05 | dddbmt_ | stew, that root should be allowed to connect through ssh. |
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| 18:40.30 | dddbmt_ | stew - I am only doing this because I've been told it was the right way to do things. Have a seperate user for ssh connections. |
| 18:40.42 | stew | dddbmt_: "grep PermitRootLogin /etc/ssh/sshd_config" |
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| 18:41.17 | dddbmt_ | stew: permission yes. |
| 18:41.27 | dddbmt_ | PermitRootLogin Yes. |
| 18:41.58 | dddbmt_ | Should I just change that to "no" ? |
| 18:42.46 | stew | dddbmt_: see "man sshd_config" for the possible values |
| 18:42.58 | Python | help for mounting usb http://pastebin.com/9L4zd5uH |
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| 18:43.59 | sts | hello folks. whats the recommended way to create a log directory and set it to the correct permissions in debian packages? |
| 18:44.06 | llutz | dddbmt_: see also "AllowUsers" option |
| 18:44.07 | sts | s/in/when building/ |
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| 18:46.43 | stew | sts: with mkdir / chown / chmod in the postinst, and remove it during purge in the postrm |
| 18:47.09 | dddbmt_ | stew, I guess I need to restart ssh after setting permit to "no"? (I've read the man). |
| 18:47.16 | stew | dddbmt_: yes |
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| 18:47.43 | dddbmt_ | stew, how is it I do that? |
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| 18:47.52 | sts | stew: do you know a good example postinst/postrm file? |
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| 18:48.20 | sts | stew: or is this basically just #!/bin/sh\n mkdir /var/log/foo ... etc |
| 18:48.35 | Python | help for mounting usb http://pastebin.com/9L4zd5uH |
| 18:48.41 | stew | sts: grep /var/log /var/lib/dpkg/info/*{postinst,postrm} |
| 18:48.45 | mordocai_work | Can anyone point me to the reasoning behind removing wine from debian wheezy, and also any info on when/if it will be back? I found a couple forum posts about people having trouble because of it, but not much more. |
| 18:48.47 | stew | dddbmt_: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 18:48.56 | dddbmt_ | stew - got it: /etc/init.d/ssh restart - now everything works! |
| 18:49.10 | dddbmt_ | stew - thanks again for helping me! |
| 18:49.52 | dwhite | could someone give me a pointer on customizing the 'newer' /debian/rules file that is created by dh_make? It used to be I'd get a couple dozen lines in that file, but now I only see a rule for '%:'. |
| 18:50.26 | stew | mordocai_work: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623923 |
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| 18:51.09 | sts | stew: thanks :) |
| 18:51.17 | Python | how to install wine 1.3.2 on squeeze ? |
| 18:52.25 | abrotman | Python: you compile it |
| 18:52.29 | abrotman | Python: ask #winehq .. there are no Debian packages of it |
| 18:52.38 | stew | mordocai_work: you can keep your eye on http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wine.html (or subscribe to it at the bottom). its likely going to require a new upload, then the "problems" section would tell you about its status wrt transitioning to testing |
| 18:53.07 | Python | abrotman: how to install libssl1.0.0 |
| 18:53.13 | Python | it's a dependencie |
| 18:53.31 | abrotman | Python: do you think my answer will change? |
| 18:53.46 | stew | Python: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:55.37 | Python | abrotman: ? |
| 18:55.39 | dddbmt_ | I have another question for everybody: This is currently what I do when setting up a webserver http://pastebin.com/u1p3K5R2. Is there a better way to do it, or should any of my packages be updated? |
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| 18:56.31 | stew | (insert snarky comment about how it would be improved without php) :) |
| 18:56.51 | Python | stew: what's a backport |
| 18:56.52 | dddbmt_ | I do it this way because I've been told so once, and it workes. But I believe that there's things that can be done better? |
| 18:56.58 | stew | !backport |
| 18:56.59 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 18:58.49 | abrotman | dddbmt_: you can leave out the 'php5' probably, and i'll say to use aptitude |
| 18:58.58 | abrotman | actually, you could leave apache2 also |
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| 18:59.47 | dddbmt_ | abrotman, are they installed by default? - Or how do I get them then. |
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| 19:02.53 | dddbmt_ | abrotman, or will the automaticly get install when I install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 19:03.09 | abrotman | dddbmt_: aptitude show libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:04.19 | dddbmt_ | abrotman, I take that as a yes ;) thanks for your help! |
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| 19:05.32 | mrfoobar | can i just take /var/lib/mysql from lenny and put it to squeeze? |
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| 19:06.27 | abrotman | mrfoobar: and then do what with it? |
| 19:06.38 | mrfoobar | then start mysql |
| 19:06.49 | abrotman | the database versions aren't the same AFAIK .. so the binary data won't work if that's what you mean |
| 19:06.53 | phogg | if you have the same version of mysql ... |
| 19:07.15 | mrfoobar | well i doubt that squeeze and lenny have that |
| 19:07.23 | ompaul | mrfoobar: so do we |
| 19:07.31 | stew | mrfoobar: you need to run mysql_upgrade first. but make a backup before running htat |
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| 19:09.03 | stew | mrfoobar: before you run mysql_upgrade, mysql will refuse to start |
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| 19:11.05 | mrfoobar | but mysql fails to start with lennys /usr/lib/mysql |
| 19:11.15 | mrfoobar | and mysql_upgrade requires mysql to be running |
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| 19:11.41 | stew | oh, i had that backwards then |
| 19:11.49 | stew | mrfoobar: what is the error starting mysql then? |
| 19:12.14 | mrfoobar | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 19:12.29 | stew | mrfoobar: try starting it by hand first |
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| 19:12.45 | stew | mrfoobar: or check the error log if one is configured |
| 19:15.03 | jelly-home | grep mysqld daemon.log shows interesting stuff by default |
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| 19:15.13 | mrfoobar | syslog |
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| 19:15.42 | mrfoobar | http://pastebin.com/wLvVPnti |
| 19:16.22 | mrfoobar | one of the errors says to run mysql_upgrade first |
| 19:16.32 | mrfoobar | and mysql_upgrade says to run mysql first |
| 19:16.36 | skilz | how to disable the pc speaker beep |
| 19:16.36 | Python | is squeeze or siid or testing better ? |
| 19:16.45 | jelly-home | Python: better for what? |
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| 19:16.54 | skilz | Python: squeeze |
| 19:17.13 | tharkun | gentlemen i need a command line utility that tells me if a file is iso-8859-1 or utf-8 encoded? |
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| 19:17.52 | jelly-home | tharkun: file |
| 19:18.03 | tharkun | jelly-home: it only displays ASCII text |
| 19:18.15 | Python | jelly-home: programming |
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| 19:18.49 | jelly-home | tharkun: hmph. Encode::Guess? |
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| 19:19.07 | peterrooney | tharkun: file --keep-going ? |
| 19:19.08 | jelly-home | Python: use Debian stable if you don't know. |
| 19:19.14 | Python | okay |
| 19:19.24 | Python | how can I get libssl1.0.0 for Squeeze ? |
| 19:19.30 | stew | Python: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:19.43 | ompaul | !sns |
| 19:19.44 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 19:19.46 | Python | stew: I added backports |
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| 19:20.12 | stew | Python: ok. it's not there though, which is why i keep pointing you to /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 19:22.18 | tharkun | peterrooney: bingo that did the trick |
| 19:22.32 | abrotman | B-9 |
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| 19:24.04 | Galaxor | Somehow, I got the impression he was a debianite. |
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| 19:25.31 | antivirtel | hello! I have wrong date in my proftpd.log, so the fail2ban can't ban out the failed tries. The date is written in my locale(Hu), so Júl instead of Jul - how can I change the locale for logging date? |
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| 19:26.21 | Hydroxide | antivirtel: make sure to run proftpd with LANG=C or LC_TIME=C in the environment |
| 19:26.43 | antivirtel | Hydroxide how can I change that variable? |
| 19:26.44 | Hydroxide | antivirtel: you might be able to set it in /etc/default/proftpd if it's like many debian init scripts |
| 19:27.05 | Hydroxide | antivirtel: possibly you'd have to do "export LANG=C" or "export LC_TIME=C" |
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| 19:27.19 | jelly-home | Python: what do you need openssl >= 1.0.0 for |
| 19:27.33 | antivirtel | ok, Hydroxide, I try - otherwise, what is "C" mean? |
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| 19:27.53 | jelly-home | antivirtel: the default, POSIX locale |
| 19:27.53 | Hydroxide | antivirtel: C or POSIX is the default from before UNIX/Linux/glibc cared about locales :) |
| 19:27.59 | Python | jelly-home: wine 1.3.24 |
| 19:28.08 | antivirtel | oh, thanks jelly-home and Hydroxide |
| 19:28.38 | jelly-home | Python: why do you think it requires 1.0.0 and wouldn't work with basically any version of openssl |
| 19:28.53 | Hydroxide | antivirtel: let us know if setting it there then restarting proftpd works - I have no idea for that particular package, but it fits a common debian pattern. |
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| 19:30.00 | jelly-home | Python: openssl API changes, but is almost always backwards compatible and apps typically don't depend on really new versions |
| 19:30.06 | Python | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:31.02 | jelly-home | Python: oh, so you're trying to install packages for sid on a squeeze installation? |
| 19:31.13 | jelly-home | Python: that's not a great idea. |
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| 19:32.14 | jelly-home | Python: I'd suggest making a proper build ("backport") of wine-unstable for your OS release, that is, Debian 6, from the package sources |
| 19:32.51 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: currently there's no wine in testing - I wonder if the reason will be a problem for a backport or if it's unrelated. anyway, yes, that's the best answer. |
| 19:32.55 | Zdisiu55 | has the other half |
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| 19:33.12 | Hydroxide | it is probably the reason there's no backports.org version right now, but that could merely be a consequence, not a cause |
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| 19:34.16 | antivirtel | Hydroxide can I paste after/before the `log_daemon_msg`: http://paste.debian.net/122801/ ? (init script) |
| 19:34.20 | Zdisiu55 | has the other half |
| 19:34.28 | antivirtel | Hydroxide the export variables |
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| 19:35.20 | jelly-home | Hydroxide: backports.debian.org only carries backports testing->stable and from stable->oldstable -- thus, since there's no package in testing, there can be no backport |
| 19:35.21 | Zdisiu55 | : ( |
| 19:35.45 | Hydroxide | antivirtel: no, it's preferalbe not to modify the init script itself. I pointed you to /etc/default/proftpd because it's a common pattern for debian init scripts to include that file for reasons like this. I don't know for sure that proftpd does, but probably |
| 19:35.48 | Zdisiu55 | http : //youtube |
| 19:35.56 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: right, that's what I said too :) |
| 19:35.58 | Hydroxide | or part of what I said |
| 19:36.03 | Hydroxide | plus a bit more background |
| 19:36.19 | jelly-home | Hydroxide: Python is already getting his packages from a third party repo, which does have sources and diff.gz and dsc as well |
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| 19:36.33 | jelly-home | so a backport can at leat be attempted |
| 19:36.37 | hochron | can someone help me install matplotlib on squeeze? here is the output from synaptic http://paste.pocoo.org/show/438010/ |
| 19:36.40 | jelly-home | %wine-unstable |
| 19:36.40 | dselect | Unofficial but more up-to-date builds of wine-unstable for sid at http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 19:38.11 | antivirtel | Hydroxide http://paste.debian.net/122802/ - I can write there that "export ..." ? |
| 19:38.24 | Python | jelly-home: how ? |
| 19:38.40 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: yes, a backport could be done from either set of packages - but, good point that he's using wine's repo (yes that's theirs) instead of ours. |
| 19:38.50 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: (or the one that they recommend) |
| 19:38.58 | ironm | Hi jelly-home :) .. something for you - http://www.it-infrastrukturen.com/fileadmin/linux/debian-live-xen/README.xen |
| 19:38.58 | Zdisiu55 | hi |
| 19:39.24 | Hydroxide | antivirtel: looks like it's a shell script fragment like for most debian packages, so it will probably work there, yes |
| 19:39.44 | antivirtel | ok, thanks Hydroxide, I try |
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| 19:39.52 | Zdisiu55 | antivirtel i just started using ubuntu's what |
| 19:40.03 | jelly-home | Python: /msg dselect package rebuild |
| 19:40.10 | ironm | jelly-home, however the wheezy image is still as it should be (kernel 2.6.39-2) .. I am just preparing a xen 4.1 live image with kernel 3.0-rc6 |
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| 19:41.13 | jelly-home | Hydroxide: I don't think what I posted is winehq.com approved. |
| 19:41.18 | Zdisiu55 | i think it will create a |
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| 19:41.48 | antivirtel | ohhh... thanks a lot Hydroxide, it now works: Jul 13 21:41:06 seedserv proftpd[31947] seedserv: ProFTPD 1.3.3a (maint) (built Mon Mar 7 2011 09:07:58 UTC) standalone mode STARTUP |
| 19:42.00 | Zdisiu55 | antivirtel : have a second monitor connected and it doesn't know |
| 19:42.17 | jelly-home | Python: instead of steps 1 and 3 you'll want to download the source package bits manually. You'll also need to learn a bit more on how packages get built fomr sources in Debian. |
| 19:42.21 | skilz | how can I setup a local mail server/ |
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| 19:42.36 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: it is: http://www.winehq.org/download/debian |
| 19:42.40 | Zdisiu55 | Hydroxide http : //paste |
| 19:42.53 | Hydroxide | antivirtel: cool, enjoy |
| 19:42.57 | antivirtel | Zdisiu55 open GnomeMenu>System > Settings > Monitors |
| 19:43.07 | jelly-home | Hydroxide: they're silly! |
| 19:43.40 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: true! :-) they used to have their own repo, but no more. I think that one is still online under some hostname in an archive-only capacity |
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| 19:44.07 | Hydroxide | jelly-home: although, that page at least claims those packages are built by a DD, which is a pleasant surprise |
| 19:44.10 | Hydroxide | I haven't done any verification |
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| 19:46.11 | Ergo^ | just performed a dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze, and it seems that rc.local is not executed at all, should i be aware of something specific to upgrade ? |
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| 19:47.33 | jelly-home | Ergo^: the init script that sources rc.local is disabled by default, you can reenable it |
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| 19:49.29 | Python | jelly-home: will this fix my problem ? |
| 19:49.38 | Python | (install wine 1.3.2) |
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| 19:50.30 | jelly-home | Python: building binary packages for your installation, instead of for debian sid, will make them more installable if the build succeeds, yes |
| 19:51.39 | Python | is confused |
| 19:53.08 | karlpinc_ | Ergo^: If you've switched to dependency based boot just make any old, say, /etc/rc2.d/Sxxrc.local symlink to /etc/init.d/rc.local and run "insserv" and it will do the right thing. (I must have turned on rc.local a long time ago because mine's on. It seems a bit cheap to disable it by default considering it does not do anything if there's no rc.local, and it runs last anyway so it won't slow anything else down.) |
| 19:54.29 | peterrooney | Ergo^: um, maybe look at /etc/rc2.d/S24rc.local? |
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| 19:55.59 | Ergo^ | update-rc.d rc.local defaults |
| 19:55.59 | Ergo^ | update-rc.d: warning: rc.local stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none) |
| 19:55.59 | Ergo^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.11 | Ergo^ | so i suppose the levels are broken compared to what i had in past |
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| 19:57.43 | stew | peterrooney: note that "24" there is specific to your system it could be "18" ro "44" or some other number on someone else's |
| 19:58.13 | stew | (because of dependency-based boot) |
| 19:58.38 | peterrooney | stew: my error. I thought the numbers were hard coded by some debian team. |
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| 20:00.08 | karlpinc_ | It's the magic of running "insserv" after turning the service on with an arbitrary number. You then get the "right" number for your system. |
| 20:00.10 | jquerier | question can i install vmware or virtualbox on my debian machine and install windows in it? |
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| 20:01.21 | stew | peterrooney: yeah, you are dependency based boot now, so it loks at the headers of the init script, and looks at "Required-Start" and figures out what order they need to be executed in, and calculates the nubmer from there |
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| 20:01.32 | karlpinc_ | jquerier: My understanding is that yes, you can. But the actual installation and running of MS Windows is offtopic here. The setup and configuration of the debian side is ontopic. |
| 20:01.50 | Python | jelly-home: can I pm you ? |
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| 20:02.49 | abrotman | run away! |
| 20:03.04 | Python | ? |
| 20:03.25 | jquerier | ok |
| 20:03.59 | karlpinc_ | Python: The nettiqute here is to ask the channel. There's #debian-offtopic for others stuff. |
| 20:04.02 | jelly-home | Python: at present time, you seem to be trying to use binary packages for sid. These depend on other binary packages for sid, and won't work well on Debian 6. |
| 20:04.15 | jquerier | which X Window should i use for my debian? |
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| 20:04.25 | jquerier | KDE GNOME ? |
| 20:04.37 | jelly-home | Python: somehow I don't think you can afford my hourly rates for help in private. |
| 20:05.10 | karlpinc_ | jquerier: Whatever you like. You can install both, or others, and switch between them. (It's often handy to have them both installed even if you run only one so you get all the apps that each pulls in.) |
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| 20:05.47 | einseenai | guys, is debian that vanilla distro? without big kernel modifications? |
| 20:05.48 | jelly-home | Python: and I wouldn't want to rip you off for something that's not too hard to figure out, given a couple weeks/months of experience with package building |
| 20:05.50 | karlpinc_ | jquerier: (You switch desktop managers from the login screen before login.) |
| 20:06.21 | karlpinc_ | jquerier: (But you can run the program of either regardless of which desktop you chose at login.) |
| 20:06.29 | karlpinc_ | !tell jquerier about introduction |
| 20:06.42 | Python | orig.tar.bz2 or .dsc or.debian.tar.bz2? |
| 20:07.04 | Python | 'orig.tar.bz2' or '.dsc' or '.debian.tar.bz2' ? |
| 20:07.30 | jelly-home | Python: .debian.tar.bz2 and .dsc I believe |
| 20:07.39 | Python | and ? |
| 20:07.43 | jelly-home | not sure, source package format has changed |
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| 20:09.00 | jelly-home | Python: but basically you'd use dpkg-source to unpack, and dpkg-buildpackage to build |
| 20:09.51 | Python | jelly-home: 1) Get .debian.tar.bz2 and .dsc 2) dpkg-source and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:09.51 | Python | ? |
| 20:10.13 | Python | what about dependencies? |
| 20:10.23 | Python | and why not make install |
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| 20:11.09 | jelly-home | Python: this all applies to making installable package. If you go with "make install" you don't have packages and need to handle cleanup manually |
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| 20:13.02 | jelly-home | Python: you'll also need to handle build-dependencies, right. I have no idea how to manage those automatically if you only have downloaded source. |
| 20:13.27 | karlpinc_ | Python: You can fake not having packages by using something like stow (type "/msg dpkg stow" and /msg dpkg stow usage" in this channel) but packages are really nice to have. |
| 20:13.44 | jelly-home | Python: but they're listed in .dsc so you can install the whole shebang before running dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:13.49 | themill | jelly-home: mk-build-deps ftw |
| 20:14.03 | mrfoobar | how do i stop the console monitor from being turned off automatically? |
| 20:14.06 | karlpinc_ | Python: It's worth learning how to use the package manager to make your own packages. |
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| 20:14.29 | karlpinc_ | mrfoobar: ? It's probably still there. |
| 20:14.39 | mrfoobar | what is |
| 20:14.43 | karlpinc_ | !tell mrfoobar about vt |
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| 20:15.02 | jelly-home | themill: when did that happen |
| 20:15.07 | mrfoobar | ok? |
| 20:15.11 | karlpinc_ | mrfoobar: The console. (If I'm guessing right what it is that you seem to be trying to ask.) |
| 20:15.25 | mrfoobar | yeah its a vt |
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| 20:16.21 | karlpinc_ | mrfoobar: What do you mean "turned off"? If you ctrl+alt+f1 it's there, right? |
| 20:16.49 | mrfoobar | the monitor goes dark after like 20 minutes of no activity |
| 20:16.54 | jquerier | iam installing kde on my debian machine via putty. After installation startx how to connect to the gui? |
| 20:17.37 | karlpinc_ | mrfoobar: Ah. I don't know how to frob that. There might be a kernel parameter, or not. |
| 20:18.19 | boudiccas | mrfoobar; that sound slike the monitor goign into power saving mode to stop burn in. see your montor prefernces |
| 20:18.52 | karlpinc_ | !tell mrfoobar about kernel parameters |
| 20:18.59 | mrfoobar | no its not |
| 20:19.06 | mrfoobar | it happens even if monitor is turned off |
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| 20:24.15 | karlpinc_ | mrfoobar: Yup. It's a kernel parameter. consoleblank=0 turns off the screensaving. |
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| 20:26.09 | mrfoobar | so it takes a reboot to activate it? |
| 20:26.17 | boudiccas | on debian 6 where should the bot.conf file go please for it to be used when starting up eggdrop 1.6.19? I've asked this in #eggdrop and they cant tell me, so i'm hoping that someone here can? |
| 20:26.52 | jhutchins | boudiccas: README.Debian.gz |
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| 20:27.02 | karlpinc_ | mrfoobar: Yes. (Unless it's a sysctl, and I don't think so.) |
| 20:27.13 | mrfoobar | do i put it in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT or in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX |
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| 20:27.42 | karlpinc_ | mrfoobar: I've not figured out grub2 yet. Probably the latter. |
| 20:28.05 | karlpinc_ | mrfoobar: (There might possibly be something to frob in /sys. I can never find my way around in there. |
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| 20:28.47 | karlpinc_ | mrfoobar: I do know you need to run update-grub after making your edit. |
| 20:29.26 | karlpinc_ | !tell boudiccas about readme.debian |
| 20:29.28 | mrfoobar | yeah if i knew to which field put it |
| 20:29.38 | karlpinc_ | boudiccas: ^^ Just in case you've not found it yet. |
| 20:30.00 | mrfoobar | why the hell did someone leave these uncommented |
| 20:30.17 | karlpinc_ | mrfoobar: I read the instuctions once and it seemed clear at the time. But I've since forgotten because I've not made any changes. |
| 20:30.28 | zykotick9 | mrfoobar, all my kernel settings are in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= |
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| 20:31.38 | zykotick9 | mrfoobar, i'm sorry to do this, but it's a handy reference for grub2 stuff https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - but keep the source in mind ;) |
| 20:31.40 | karlpinc_ | zykotick9: But then if you boot another kernel you don't get your changes, right? I see no reason why he shouldn't have the setting no matter the kernel. It's not something that seems subject to breakage. |
| 20:31.46 | lambda | how to solve this error while starting firefox 5?? http://pastebin.de/17682 |
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| 20:32.10 | karlpinc_ | zykotick9: The grub info pages are good, but even more extensive in grub2 than grub1. |
| 20:32.20 | zykotick9 | karlpinc_, good point. I haven't tried the other way |
| 20:32.24 | karlpinc_ | zykotick9: I think you may need to enable non-free to get the grub info docs. |
| 20:33.12 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc_: !? |
| 20:33.20 | zykotick9 | karlpinc_, ya, the GNU docs being non-free is very strange. My main system here only runs main. I do have a VM with non-free. |
| 20:33.35 | Python | is there anyways to get libssl1.0.0 for squeeze ? thanks. |
| 20:33.53 | stew | Python: hi, remember me? i've answered this question for you a few times already |
| 20:34.11 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libssl1 |
| 20:34.11 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libssl1' was found in i386. |
| 20:34.16 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libssl |
| 20:34.16 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libssl' was found in i386. |
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| 20:34.49 | zykotick9 | jhutchins, looks like it's libssl0.9.8 |
| 20:34.55 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libssl0 |
| 20:34.58 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libssl0' was found in i386. |
| 20:34.59 | stew | no, its libssl1.0.0 |
| 20:35.04 | jhutchins_lt | Hrm. |
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| 20:35.23 | jhutchins_lt | As much as we try to standardize package names... |
| 20:35.30 | karlpinc_ | , file libxul.so |
| 20:35.32 | stew | this is following the standard |
| 20:35.34 | judd | libxul.so in squeeze/i386: iceape-browser: usr/lib/iceape/libxul.so; xulrunner-1.9.1: usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so; icedove: usr/lib/icedove/libxul.so; xulrunner-dev: usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.1/sdk/lib/libxul.so; icedove-dev: usr/lib/icedove-devel/sdk/lib/libxul.so; xulrunner-1.9.1-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/libxul.so; iceape-dbg: |
| 20:35.36 | judd | usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/iceape/libxul.so; icedove-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/icedove-devel/sdk/lib/libxul.so, usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/icedove/libxul.so |
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| 20:35.54 | stew | jhutchins_lt: judd will not run "versions" on a partial package name, you need to give it the full package name |
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| 20:36.07 | ironm | root@xen40dom0:~# xm list |
| 20:36.07 | ironm | Name ID Mem VCPUs State Time(s) |
| 20:36.08 | ironm | Domain-0 0 1509 24 r----- 165.2 |
| 20:36.08 | ironm | wheezyhvm.born2b3.net 1 8192 8 -b---- 20.6 |
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| 20:36.17 | karlpinc_ | lambda: ^^ so perhaps you need xulrunner-1.9.1 installed? |
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| 20:37.32 | jhutchins_lt | stew: ... and sometime figuring out where the package name and the version number break, especially with libs, isn't clear. |
| 20:37.38 | ironm | sorry guys |
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| 20:38.55 | Tigerboy | Hello I just downloaded the testing install DVD from debian.org -- is it correct this is called "Wheezy"? |
| 20:39.01 | stew | Tigerboy: yes |
| 20:39.33 | Python | is debian testing stable ? |
| 20:39.38 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: Not much point in testing the installer this early in the cycle. |
| 20:39.44 | Tigerboy | Stew: ok I thought Squeeze testing would be called Squeeze testing... thanks for the help |
| 20:39.45 | stew | Python: no, it changes 4 times a day |
| 20:39.47 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: No, debian stable is stable. |
| 20:39.59 | MrFrood | Python: no, stable is stable |
| 20:40.09 | stew | Tigerboy: no, squeeze was released as stable, wheezy will be the next stable, currently in testing |
| 20:41.01 | Tigerboy | but if I want t debian "testing" install I should use wheezy? |
| 20:41.11 | stew | Tigerboy: yes |
| 20:41.59 | zykotick9 | IRC/bot question - is there a way to get ",versions foo" output privately? Yesterday i learned "/msg judd pciid xxxx:yyyy" but "/msg judd versions foo" is returning "Error: You don't have the misc.version capability. If you think that you should have this..." |
| 20:42.19 | Tigerboy | I have had a good time with LMDE which is essentially Deb Testing... I find it more "stable" than Ubuntu 11.04 overall |
| 20:42.26 | stew | zykotick9: "/msg judd versions foo" works, looks like you typed "/msg judd version foo" instead |
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| 20:43.16 | zykotick9 | stew, thanks - you are correct, PEBKAC issue |
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| 20:45.06 | Ergo^ | jelly-home, how do i enable that rc.local script ? i couldnt google it out sysv-rc-conf shows that it should be executed alredy |
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| 20:46.14 | streuner_ | dpkg, rc.local |
| 20:46.15 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
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| 20:47.24 | nsadmin | dpkg o dpkg wherefore art thou dpkg |
| 20:47.24 | dpkg | nsadmin: i don't know |
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| 20:48.29 | nicknick | Q: why is gnome-panel such a memory-hog? does it really need more than 90 MB memory, or is it simply buggy in respect of mem-mgmt? |
| 20:48.43 | kingsley | Is the fine code in dpkg which asks you if you want to overwrite an existing configuration file with the new version, and which offers to show you the differences between the two, available as a command line tool that can compare two directory trees? |
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| 20:49.27 | nsadmin | kingsley: diff Naur dir1 dir2 |
| 20:49.44 | nsadmin | err -Naur |
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| 20:50.43 | nsadmin | kingsley, and/or you do have dpkg source :) |
| 20:51.28 | stew | kingsley: it depends on if you are talking about the conffile handling or ucf |
| 20:51.44 | Azuos100 | Please, I've installed vmware server on my win7, created an VM, installed my Debian 6, but my network does not connect to Internet, neither Bridge, Nat, HostOnly. Please, any idea? |
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| 20:51.51 | stew | kingsley: the conffile handling is internal to dpkg, for configuration files which are not conffile, many developers use ucf, which is a separate tool |
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| 20:52.21 | stew | kingsley: but these operate on sinlge files, not directories |
| 20:53.24 | kingsley | nsadmin: I looked up -Naur in diff's man page, and I still find myself wondering if it asks the user whether or not to overwrite one file with the other. |
| 20:53.45 | stew | kingsley: diff doesn't change files, it just shows differences |
| 20:53.57 | nsadmin | no, doesn't ask anything... just tells you what the differences are between two dirs |
| 20:54.00 | jelly-home | Ergo^: if you switched to dependency based init script calling, use insserv |
| 20:54.36 | Ergo^ | jelly-home, i did, testing it now :-) thanks |
| 20:54.55 | kingsley | stew: I'll read about ucf. Maybe it could be run by the find command. |
| 20:54.59 | nsadmin | if all you care about is whether or not any difference exists, you could test the output or maybe diff exit status |
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| 20:57.35 | n_i_c_k | Azuos100: how is your virtual machine configured for networking? |
| 20:57.48 | kingsley | nsadmin: Maybe I should elaborate. |
| 20:57.57 | Azuos100 | at the moment HostOnly |
| 20:59.02 | n_i_c_k | Azuos100: I confess I don't know what that means. Is the VM subsidiary to the host, i.e. it resides on a network private to and visible only to the host and it VM? |
| 20:59.16 | Ergo^ | jelly-home, insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (empty) of script `rc.local' overwrites defaults (0 1 6). - insserv complains about that, maybe old /init.d/rc.local is not correct for squeeze ? |
| 20:59.35 | nsadmin | kingsley, maybe,.,, but meanwhile the diff command will tell you things that could be useful |
| 21:00.15 | nsadmin | forexample take a look at diff -Naur dir1 dir2 | grep "^diff" |
| 21:00.17 | kingsley | nsadmin: In this, the best of all possible worlds, I'd like to compare every file in a local directory to a file with the same name on a remote computer, report the differences, and give the user the option of overwriting one file with the other. |
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| 21:01.34 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: There is not an existing tool to do that. |
| 21:02.04 | nicknick | anybody know how to reduce memory usage of gnome-panel and vlc ? |
| 21:02.10 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: You could cobble something together using the installer scripts that handle config file. In fact, gentoo's scripts are very much like that, |
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| 21:02.19 | jelly-home | Ergo^: ignore it (if it works ;-) |
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| 21:02.49 | Ergo^ | jelly-home, it doesnt :-) |
| 21:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: Comparing the files remotely will be difficult, easier to copy the files over to a temporary directory and compare them locally. |
| 21:05.42 | kingsley | jhutchins_lt: FWIW, here's some cobbled code that copies a remote file and diffs it to a local one... ssh user@host.com "cat file" | diff - file |
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| 21:06.17 | jelly-home | Ergo^: oh crap, that means someone lied to me that it did! I'm bow my head in shame for not testing it myself. |
| 21:06.21 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: So knock together a for loop. |
| 21:06.24 | jelly-home | bowing* |
| 21:07.17 | Tigerboy | Is it possible to convert a standard partition into a folder? Say as an example /usr would then become a standard folder in / |
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| 21:08.28 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: mkdir /foo && rsync -a /usr /foo && umount /usr && mv /foo /usr |
| 21:08.34 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: Do not attempt on a live system. |
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| 21:08.52 | nicknick | Tigerbox: just cp -r /etc /etc_tmp then unmount the /etc/volume then rename the /etc_tmp to /etc :-) |
| 21:09.05 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: You will also want to remove /usr from fstab |
| 21:09.13 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.14 | Tigerboy | jhutchins_it: thank you |
| 21:09.21 | Zdisiu55 | something for you Tigerboy http : //www |
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| 21:09.37 | nicknick | Tigerbox: oops I meant /usr not /etc |
| 21:09.55 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Sure it can. |
| 21:10.03 | Zdisiu55 | vbox can set up its own private network |
| 21:10.16 | stew | jhutchins_lt: not easily |
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| 21:10.44 | stew | perhaps with a custom initrd... |
| 21:10.49 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Make a partition, mount it at /etc - no problem. References if you insist otherwise. |
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| 21:11.03 | stew | jhutchins_lt: do you configure where to find /etc in /etc/fstab? |
| 21:11.06 | Zdisiu55 | how do install a |
| 21:11.25 | jhutchins_lt | stew: No, you configure it in grub. |
| 21:11.29 | Zdisiu55 | jhutchins_lt, no problem |
| 21:13.01 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i'm not too familiar with grub2, i didn't know they added something like this |
| 21:13.11 | stew | you certainly couldn't do this with grub1 |
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| 21:15.01 | Tigerboy | jhutchins_lt: does your method using rsync result in effectively folding in the space used on former partition /usr into / or does it become abandoned spack? |
| 21:15.09 | Zdisiu55 | away from that does your current kernel |
| 21:15.26 | Tigerboy | spacke |
| 21:15.28 | Tigerboy | space |
| 21:15.33 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: You need to use something like parted to recover the space - rsync copies the files. |
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| 21:16.23 | stew | jhutchins_lt: where do I tell grub how to mount /etc? |
| 21:16.26 | Tigerboy | jhutchins_lt: the problem is the user partition has one partition between it and root so I don't think I can |
| 21:16.35 | stew | jhutchins_lt: err, that it should mount /etc? |
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| 21:18.37 | jhutchins_lt | stew: How does it know where to find init/fstab if /etc is a partition? |
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| 21:18.47 | nicknick | jhutchins_lt: imho it's not possible there, I haven't ssen it in grub2 anywhere... but during install and partitioning one can specify for example the /home and other such assignments |
| 21:18.49 | Zdisiu55 | where does conky have to do that from the client, no problem |
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| 21:19.09 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i don't know. I was asserting that you couldn't, but you are telling me that one can |
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| 21:19.47 | stew | jhutchins_lt: well, it knows init is in /sbin, but its going to expect fstab to be in /etc/fstab, i dont' know how you would tell it to mount something in /etc |
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| 21:20.21 | stew | though I'm not sure why grub needs to know the location of either of those files in the first place |
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| 21:20.54 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I can think of more than one solution. |
| 21:21.37 | stew | jhutchins_lt: to tell grub to mount something before starting the kernel? |
| 21:21.52 | jhutchins_lt | To allow /etc to be a partition. |
| 21:22.04 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i believe you need a custom initrd to do this |
| 21:22.17 | stew | jhutchins_lt: you say it can be done by configuring grub to mount etc. how do I do that? |
| 21:22.19 | jhutchins_lt | stew: That would be part of one solution. |
| 21:22.38 | Zdisiu55 | like being spoiled rotten by visual studio with source control integration so i can't you say that |
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| 21:23.11 | jhutchins_lt | stew: We're really off-topic here, and I have to go do some yard work. We'll discuss it some time in off-topic. |
| 21:23.13 | Zdisiu55 | long time |
| 21:23.18 | stew | wtf |
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| 21:23.32 | stew | so full of shit |
| 21:24.04 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Remember, it is logically impossible to prove a negative. |
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| 21:26.49 | twobitsp1ite | jhutchins_lt: can you prove that logically? |
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| 21:31.13 | zykotick9 | What is partprobe? I just partitioned a USB drive, and get the "...kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used at the next reboot or after you run partprobe(8) or kpartx(8)" but I'm not getting anything returned from "apt-cache search partprobe". |
| 21:31.44 | penrod | greetings, I have a new "squeeze" installation and am trying to setup a "hardware raid " the raid card shows a 2.76 terabyte partition. However dmesg displays 2 partitions of 1.99 t and .9 t What is the best way aroung the 2 terabyte limitation ? |
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| 21:37.06 | zykotick9 | to answer my own question, it's part of the parted package, usage "partprobe /device" - seems to have worked and no reboot :) |
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| 21:47.02 | Xxaxx | what the difference between openntpd and cyrus-ntpd ? |
| 21:47.18 | karlpinc_ | penrod: Often software raid is the best choice because that way you can recover your data if the controller dies and you don't have a spare compatible controller. |
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| 21:49.08 | Xxaxx | ah, I see, sorry :) |
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| 21:49.15 | Zdisiu55 | i'll see what i posted is winehq |
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| 21:51.05 | penrod | karlpinc, I have 3 3ware raid controllers and have been using them for years without issue. I started using a raid when there was much debate about hardware vs. software. I am more than comfortable with the 3ware device, and would prefer to continue to use it. I am not to sure about the process for partitions larger than 2 terabytes. |
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| 21:56.05 | smhar | when can we -reasonably- expect libreoffice in stable? is it in testing yet? |
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| 21:56.44 | themill | smhar: you can expect libreoffice in stable when the next stable release is made (~18 months or so) |
| 21:56.51 | Bushmills | smhar: packages don't migrate from testing to current stable |
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| 21:57.20 | smhar | ok, is it in testing yet? |
| 21:57.29 | themill | dpkg: tell smhar about search |
| 21:58.43 | jelly-home | judd: versions libreoffice |
| 21:58.44 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.3.2-2; sid: 1:3.3.3-4+b1 |
| 21:58.45 | themill | smhar: you'll find that it's in squeeze-backports too |
| 21:58.50 | Zdisiu55 | source package bits manually |
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| 22:03.54 | smhar | thanks all |
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| 22:17.50 | fredden | has just discovered "lsb_release -s -c" from lsb-release package. |
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| 22:28.15 | sphenxes | i have installed FreeNAS and connected to my linux pc using NFS protocol. Everything was wroking fine. I mount the freeNAS drive using: mount -t nfs 192.168.178.35:/mnt/NAS... /media/NAS.. . During a copy of large files, the computer has freezed (squeeze pc). i used the reset bottom and after that i can't mount (FreeNAS hard drive) anymore. How can i correct this mistake, if possible |
| 22:29.04 | mjmt | ls |
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| 22:32.58 | dieb | Hello all |
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| 22:36.31 | a111 | Is the linux host file in the same format as the windows one? |
| 22:36.37 | a111 | So i can block adverts |
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| 22:38.08 | streuner_ | too much hasle |
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| 22:39.27 | streuner_ | just install privoxy or install a plugin for your webbrowser |
| 22:39.57 | streuner_ | dpkg, info privoxy |
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| 22:40.00 | wols_ | a111: yes it's the same format. but it sucks as a adproxy, just like on windows |
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| 22:40.19 | dpkg | privoxy: (Privacy enhancing HTTP Proxy), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0.17-1 (sid), Packaged size: 593 kB, Installed size: 2096 kB |
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| 22:40.41 | a111 | hmm ok, thanks :) |
| 22:40.56 | babilen | or ad block for iw or chrome |
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| 22:43.17 | EmeraldCat | Hi. Is there a way to get cacaview from libcaca to display in a console instead of popping up a separate X11 window? |
| 22:43.31 | streuner_ | a11, but in the end, you decide for yourself which website you visit... |
| 22:44.16 | streuner_ | (there is no perfect solution, or you have to disable everything) |
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| 22:57.28 | tlab | how can I allow users to use gcc? |
| 22:57.44 | streuner_ | via sudo? |
| 22:58.00 | themill | eh? |
| 22:58.08 | babilen | tlab: Why can't they use gcc in the first place? |
| 22:58.27 | tlab | i dunno |
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| 22:58.49 | streuner_ | tlab: why do you want allow a user to use gcc at all? |
| 22:59.06 | babilen | tlab: Well, to ask differently: What happens when you try to use it? |
| 22:59.20 | babilen | streuner_: They might want to compile programs? |
| 22:59.22 | tlab | err I thought it wasn't working, but now it is.. |
| 22:59.23 | bps | i dunno how to help you |
| 22:59.31 | jelly-home | Ergo^: uh, run it in console? |
| 22:59.50 | babilen | tlab: So, everything is fine now? |
| 22:59.53 | jelly-home | oops, the user left |
| 22:59.54 | Ergo^ | jelly-home, ive fixed it long time ago now |
| 22:59.57 | streuner_ | babilen: well, on my machine its only root, and on a production server its even more silly... |
| 22:59.57 | bps | congrats |
| 23:00.06 | Ergo^ | had to use absolute paths to programs ive ran |
| 23:00.08 | Ergo^ | no idea why... |
| 23:00.09 | jelly-home | Ergo^: sorry, miscompleted your nickname |
| 23:00.15 | Ergo^ | np |
| 23:00.15 | tlab | well a program was complaining about gcc tool chain not found, I think that's something different |
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| 23:00.27 | babilen | streuner_: How so, you might have many developers compiling their programs on a single server. |
| 23:00.28 | themill | !b-e tlab |
| 23:00.29 | dpkg | tlab: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 23:01.23 | streuner_ | babilen: true, but thats prolly an exception, like a server for DD's... |
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| 23:03.00 | Tigerboy | Succeeding at installing Debian Wheezy... however at the end it says that Grub install has failed at /Target/-- I am retrying it several times with no effect. What should I do? |
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| 23:16.40 | Tigerboy | anything I should check regarding grub install failing for Debian? is there a way to change the install point in the grapical install program? |
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| 23:19.15 | streuner_ | Tigerboy: what kind of di did you use? |
| 23:19.34 | streuner_ | Tigerboy: what happens if you using a stable installer? |
| 23:19.35 | Tigerboy | di? |
| 23:19.41 | streuner_ | debian-installer |
| 23:19.43 | Tigerboy | oh Wheezy |
| 23:20.04 | Tigerboy | just dled it from debian.org said it was the latest weekly |
| 23:20.32 | yagoo | 386 builds are being phased out/ |
| 23:20.35 | streuner_ | hm, some of them arent useful, just use a stable installer and upgrade to testing |
| 23:20.38 | yagoo | ? |
| 23:20.55 | Tigerboy | amd64 |
| 23:21.11 | yagoo | ? |
| 23:21.49 | yagoo | jelly-home, ? |
| 23:22.09 | streuner_ | please ask the channel and not a certain person |
| 23:22.24 | streuner_ | we arent 24/7 here :-P |
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| 23:23.37 | streuner_ | well, its 1:23 here and in croatia too... |
| 23:23.58 | yagoo | he mentioned on another channel (jelly-home) debian not supporting 386 anymore (#linux) |
| 23:24.13 | streuner_ | hm, i guess that right :-) |
| 23:24.19 | themill | yagoo: it hasn't for some years |
| 23:24.29 | yagoo | not sure what he meant.. |
| 23:24.37 | streuner_ | imagine how old i386 is.... |
| 23:24.41 | yagoo | i'm guessing its not x32 builds.. |
| 23:24.46 | yagoo | is it? |
| 23:24.52 | yagoo | (is it about x32 builds) |
| 23:24.53 | yagoo | ? |
| 23:25.09 | streuner_ | dpkg, i386 |
| 23:25.09 | dpkg | i386 is probably the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
| 23:25.28 | yagoo | kk.. i understand that. |
| 23:25.43 | Tigerboy | wait I still have a 286 |
| 23:25.50 | Tigerboy | with floating point |
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| 23:26.23 | yagoo | where's the news on this btw? |
| 23:26.42 | yagoo | i tried hitting dpkg and he was mean not telling me anything.. dpkg u're rude! |
| 23:26.53 | babilen | Tigerboy: If you have you can not run Debian. |
| 23:26.57 | themill | yagoo: there's no "news" on this. Nothing has changed. |
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| 23:27.10 | Tigerboy | wait that is descrimination |
| 23:27.43 | yagoo | so jelly-home was joking.. ok i get it |
| 23:27.44 | babilen | Tigerboy: I apologise in the name of the Debian community and treat you to a nice bowl of icecream. |
| 23:28.11 | babilen | yagoo: No, jelly-home was probably talking about 386 processors (not the i386 architecture) |
| 23:28.14 | themill | yagoo: not at all. the 386 chip has not been supported by debian for a number of years. This hasn't changed. |
| 23:28.34 | Tigerboy | yummy |
| 23:28.39 | Tigerboy | i was hoping |
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| 23:29.17 | yagoo | well if it wasn't recent he shouldn't talk like if it was recent.." <jelly-home> xeon-enouf: there is no 386 kernel in Debian (any more) " |
| 23:29.33 | yagoo | kk |
| 23:29.50 | wols_ | wonder what happens if one uses a 386 with a 387 on the mobo as well |
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| 23:30.15 | Tigerboy | 387 is just the co processor right |
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| 23:30.53 | themill | wols_: 80486 was the requirement for sarge (and that has crept up since then by accident). It's a matter of memory handling and instructions not floating point capability. |
| 23:31.07 | babilen | yagoo: Hang on, I'll dig up a recent thread on the d-d mailing list that will shed some light on the issue. |
| 23:31.11 | jelly-home | I'll float YOUR point |
| 23:31.14 | craigevil | icecream? what flavor? |
| 23:31.25 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:31.28 | themill | §4.3 of the sarge release notes, for example. |
| 23:31.28 | Tigerboy | float is required but it's built in to everything |
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| 23:31.35 | yagoo | babilen, no thanks.. Wasn't sure if jelly-home was being a silly jelly |
| 23:31.43 | wols_ | themill: how is memory handling different? since 386 memory has handled the same on all CPUs (for 32bit) |
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| 23:32.04 | themill | wols_: not, actually. Please don't ask me for details at this time of night. |
| 23:32.05 | craigevil | $ uname -a |
| 23:32.05 | craigevil | Linux debian 2.6.39-2-486 #1 Tue Jul 5 02:52:23 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:32.06 | jelly-home | yagoo: he wasn't |
| 23:32.14 | craigevil | silly pae :P |
| 23:32.21 | yagoo | lol |
| 23:32.23 | Tigerboy | 386 comes in 16 and 32 |
| 23:32.44 | jelly-home | oh, -bigmem was renamed to -pae and now there's no -686 without pae build? |
| 23:32.45 | yagoo | silly double talk at the very least |
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| 23:32.58 | streuner_ | wtf. |
| 23:33.02 | themill | jelly-home: yes. (not just a rename, actually) |
| 23:33.06 | craigevil | yep no -686 without pae |
| 23:33.15 | streuner_ | for what does pae stand at all? |
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| 23:33.18 | Tigerboy | my Dad's first serious computer only had 640k of ram and a 10 meg hard disk |
| 23:33.20 | wols_ | Tigerboy: no |
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| 23:33.44 | wols_ | streuner_: physical address extension |
| 23:33.52 | streuner_ | Tigerboy: 20 years ago? :-) |
| 23:34.05 | Tigerboy | no? |
| 23:34.09 | jelly-home | more |
| 23:34.12 | craigevil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 23:34.19 | wols_ | streuner_: 30. 20 years ago there were lots of 386. and 40MB hdds |
| 23:34.21 | Tigerboy | well it was his college days which i think was 84 or so |
| 23:34.24 | themill | !dbugs 198158 |
| 23:34.28 | dpkg | DONE:#198158:S[general] architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore (sarge sid); Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:03:01 UTC [] |
| 23:34.30 | streuner_ | wols_: omg |
| 23:34.33 | wols_ | Tigerboy: 386 is 32bit only |
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| 23:35.10 | babilen | praises themill for his archeological prowess |
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| 23:35.16 | Tigerboy | wols that was in the 90s not 30 years ago |
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| 23:35.57 | babilen | Could we agree on discussing the history of computers in #debian-offtopic? |
| 23:35.58 | Tigerboy | wols_: no there was also a 16 bit chip |
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| 23:36.24 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:37.21 | Tigerboy | Night |
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| 23:37.44 | wontoner | I need a keyring server to retrieve the etch key ring? trying to run: gpg --keyserver hkp://keyring.debian.org --recv-keys B5D0C804ADB11277 |
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| 23:37.46 | wols_ | Tigerboy: no there wasn't. SX chip had only 16 bit data lines but multiplexed. just like the 8088 did it |
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| 23:38.19 | Tigerboy | it was called 386-16 |
| 23:38.24 | wols_ | no |
| 23:38.27 | Tigerboy | it was a cheaper chip |
| 23:38.34 | Tigerboy | yes spells yes |
| 23:38.47 | wols_ | the 386 started at 16MHz. that was the only "386-16" ever |
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| 23:39.01 | streuner_ | cyrix was the ulitmate chip which beat everything, but it was a slow duck ;-) |
| 23:39.09 | wols_ | and the cheaper chip you mean is the 386SX. but if you call that a 16bit chip, the 8088 (original PC) was a 8bit one... |
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| 23:39.29 | Tigerboy | 16 bit memory datapath and no math co |
| 23:39.33 | themill | perhaps it's time to move this off to ##hardware or somewhere that cares... |
| 23:39.35 | wontoner | nevermind i found it |
| 23:39.46 | Tigerboy | 286 also had a 32 and 16 |
| 23:39.57 | wols_ | you talk a lot of bullshit :) |
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| 23:40.03 | streuner_ | lol |
| 23:40.04 | Tigerboy | I try |
| 23:40.05 | wols_ | but themill is right |
| 23:40.16 | wols_ | you are succeeding. congrats |
| 23:40.27 | Tigerboy | <bow> |
| 23:40.40 | streuner_ | of course, OPs in most cases right, specially if they are on they own channel :-P |
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| 23:42.18 | Tigerboy | anyone know how to fix the grub install problem with Wheezy-- others report Wheezy install is missing grub probe package which they surmise causes the problem. I was hoping the defaul install point might be the problem. |
| 23:43.36 | jelly-home | Tigerboy: why not install squeeze (just the base system), then upgrade |
| 23:44.52 | Tigerboy | then just add test repos... |
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| 23:45.11 | Tigerboy | i was trying to start with pure test but that's fine |
| 23:45.42 | Tigerboy | as long as it's not apt to break |
| 23:46.12 | jelly-home | well obviously you can deal with apt breakage else you wouldn't be using testing |
| 23:46.22 | jelly-home | Tigerboy: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:46.23 | drasko | how to connect manually to wireless network ? I can see thet network-manager can do it, but iwconfig eth1 essid "my_net" gives no effect for me... |
| 23:46.36 | drasko | what is the order of steps ? |
| 23:47.02 | streuner_ | drasko: look at wiki.debian.org and search fo howtousewireless |
| 23:47.04 | babilen | Tigerboy: You have to differentiate between the installer and the debian version/branch -- There should even be the possibility to install wheezy with the stable installer. But the recommended way is to install a minimal squeeze system and upgrade to wheezy. Note that there is a specific channel (#debian-next) on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid users. |
| 23:47.11 | streuner_ | drasko: interfaces of course |
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| 23:48.29 | Tigerboy | oh good thanks Babilen |
| 23:48.36 | babilen | yw |
| 23:49.29 | Tigerboy | babilen: don't see a debian-next as of now |
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| 23:49.47 | streuner_ | Tigerboy: OFTC (irc.debian.org) :-) |
| 23:49.49 | wols_ | Tigerboy: you are looking not on oftc |
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| 23:50.08 | Tigerboy | streuner_: ta |
| 23:50.14 | streuner_ | yw |
| 23:50.19 | Tigerboy | I am on freenode |
| 23:50.26 | streuner_ | sure |
| 23:51.27 | streuner_ | Tigerboy: via irssi or X-Chat? |
| 23:52.00 | Tigerboy | streuner_: atm by x-chat i have been using Pidgin on Linux of late |
| 23:52.47 | streuner_ | Tigerboy: there should be an entry XChat -> Network |
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| 23:53.22 | streuner_ | Tigerboy: Debian-Servers |
| 23:53.46 | babilen | !otherchannel Tigerboy #debian-next irc.oftc.net |
| 23:53.46 | dpkg | Tigerboy: The channel you are looking for is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Please do /server irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-next. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next |
| 23:54.06 | craigevil | on xchat Xchat>Network List>OFTC |
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| 23:54.40 | streuner_ | hm, its in german here, OTFC=DebianServers then |
| 23:55.15 | drasko | streuner_, is there a way to do it with iwconfig ? |
| 23:55.33 | craigevil | yes irc.debian.org is a oftc server |
| 23:55.39 | Tigerboy | oh ok cool |
| 23:55.52 | babilen | drasko: Is it an encrypted network? If so: How is it encrypted? |
| 23:56.23 | drasko | babilen, WPA2 |
| 23:56.30 | streuner_ | drasko: its more easier via interfaces |
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| 23:57.05 | streuner_ | forgot how to use it via ip and iwconfig (ssid)... |
| 23:57.07 | sonic_ | Hola necesito ayuda urgente porfavor |
| 23:57.09 | sonic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.15 | streuner_ | !es |
| 23:57.15 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 23:57.16 | babilen | drasko: No, you can not use iwconfig for that. You can either configure it in your /etc/network/interfaces, use wpa-supplicant in roaming mode (as opposed to the managed mode mentioned earlier) or use something like wicd or network-manager. |
| 23:57.19 | drasko | streuner_, yes, but I want to see it step by step. BEsides, instructions I found on wiki do not work for me... However networ-manger does it, I just do not see how |
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| 23:57.28 | sonic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.38 | sonic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.42 | sonic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.44 | streuner_ | sonic_: stop |
| 23:57.48 | drasko | babilen, how to do it with wpa-supplicant ? |
| 23:57.58 | streuner_ | sonic_: please just talk english here |
| 23:58.17 | babilen | drasko: Please read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz it explains the different ways to configure wpa-supplicant |
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| 23:58.30 | babilen | %es sonic_ |
| 23:58.31 | dselect | sonic_: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 23:58.58 | streuner_ | drasko: or you just read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 23:59.13 | sonic_ | dselect: pedon no sabia |
| 23:59.21 | sonic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.22 | streuner_ | its a bot |
| 23:59.25 | streuner_ | omg |
| 23:59.27 | sonic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.45 | babilen | sonic_: de nada |